[00:00] there isn't an updated slackbuild for 195.x [00:00] i'll try now [00:00] yourpadre: I remember now that with -current the latest beta is required [00:01] 195.36.15 isn't beta. it if the latest certified release [00:01] *is [00:01] yourpadre: stuff from SBo is not necessarily going to work in -current without tinkering [00:01] blackhat (~hexdump@189.115.17.220) joined ##slackware. [00:03] leopard (~leopard@222.124.207.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:03] zaltekk: hmmm... [00:03] yourpadre: you could still use slackbuild script if you want, though just would have to point it to the latest nvidia driver [00:04] zaltekk: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/latest.txt [00:04] some people at nvidia aren't updating their FTP archive [00:05] that is the legacy line anyway... [00:05] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] zaltekk: that's what nvidia-installer points to, IIRC [00:05] NaCl: for the built-in update thing? [00:05] yes [00:06] hopefully it has a better reference :) [00:06] Action: NaCl is waiting for the updates to hit osuosl.org [00:07] me too [00:09] blackhat (hexdump@189.115.17.220) left ##slackware. [00:11] Jefferson (~hexdump@189.115.17.220) joined ##slackware. [00:12] Nick change: Jefferson -> jefferson [00:13] bye guys, i need exit from X to start the compile, when i'll return i hope give you good news [00:13] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: now that we have a libsexy what we really nead is a libfreaky [00:13] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.180) joined ##slackware. [00:13] yourpadre (~destroy@189.192.3.220) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:14] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Quit: [yop] [00:14] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [00:15] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [00:15] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.116.3) joined ##slackware. [00:15] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [00:16] \o [00:18] yourpadre (~destroy@189.192.3.220) joined ##slackware. [00:18] it is working :D lol [00:18] yay [00:18] grats [00:19] jefferson (~hexdump@189.115.17.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:20] Action: NaCl had that problem when he ran The Big Update [00:22] yourpadre, fix .new's [00:25] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:26] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon125882.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [00:27] hi; I am having trouble booting slack(vectorlinux); it hangs on Detecting adaptec i20 raid controllers [00:28] TriniTuX: vector linux is not slackware [00:28] thanks, now i'll try gsb-current. [00:28] I know but still [00:28] TriniTuX: try #vectorlinux [00:29] arrr google searches indicate the same problem with slackware 11 12.2 on a dell 2650 [00:29] TriniTuX: what's the error you get? hangs is very general. [00:29] idea idea at all? [00:29] TriniTuX: install slackware, and we'll answer your question. [00:29] well, I trying it right now [00:29] Detecting Adaptec I20 RAID controllers [00:29] alisonken1home: ping [00:29] at that point it just hangs [00:29] TriniTuX: what version of slackware are you using? [00:30] yourpadre (~destroy@189.192.3.220) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:30] its vector 6 i'm trying to install [00:30] TriniTuX: vector linux is not slackware [00:30] TriniTuX: try #vectorlinux [00:31] yep BUT might you know of a workaround? [00:31] TriniTuX: install slackware, and we'll answer your question. [00:31] its seems pretty generic [00:31] thumbs: I will admit #vectorlinux is pretty empty [00:31] I just don't know any boot params... [00:31] wario: well, there are forums. [00:31] ok well thanks anyways [00:31] "but but.. its based on Slackware" [00:31] vector has lots of little changes [00:31] TriniTuX: if its hanging on detection.. possibly the driver isn't included in vector's kernel [00:32] nope its a laptop running an ide drive [00:32] TriniTuX: alisonken1home had a similar issue a while back with 12.2 I think. I'm not sure if he fixed it though. You can always hangout and ask him when he's on. [00:32] so that shouldn't happen [00:32] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.116.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:32] TriniTuX: Then I'd say they have a failure in their kernel build ;) [00:32] could be... [00:32] Try installing Slackware.. see if it works.. if it does.. use Slackware :D [00:32] TriniTuX: the problem is that we have no idea how they built the kernel. [00:33] but I did see past issues with this laptop dell 2650 and slack 11 and slack 12.2 [00:33] same issues that is [00:33] true [00:33] TriniTuX: the huge-smp slackware kernel would probably work. [00:33] yeah just install slackware lol [00:33] TriniTuX: try installing that kernel back, and reboot. [00:33] TriniTuX: slackware 13 is out :P [00:33] lol but I'd miss on the optimizations thats already done [00:33] what optimizations? [00:33] I'm on slack-current right now thanks [00:33] TriniTuX: well, those optimizations are causeing issues, apparently. [00:33] TriniTuX: are you? [00:34] TriniTuX: you can save all your config files [00:34] TriniTuX: prove it. [00:34] with modern hardware.. who the hell needs 'optimizations' [00:34] TriniTuX: cat /etc/slackware-version [00:34] i second Dominian's question, though: What optimizations ? [00:34] another factor is there may need to be SOMETHING passed to the kernel at boot [00:34] its an old old old laptop I'm trying to install linux for my dad [00:34] TriniTuX: Slackware will work for that ;) [00:34] [00:34] TriniTuX: it's a laptop with raid? [00:35] TriniTuX: slackware 13.0 + a lightweight window manager will work fine. [00:35] nope no raid [00:35] TriniTuX: cat /etc/slackware-version [00:35] lxde is the latest rave [00:35] will that work here? [00:35] not sure if slackbuilds.org has build scripts for that though [00:35] TriniTuX: since you're running slackware, we need to know what version. [00:35] Dominian: not yet, at least not the last time I looked. [00:35] Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 [00:35] Dominian: I was working on my own builds. [00:35] (i've got -current on an ancient 64MB pentium laptop; it works fine) [00:35] TriniTuX: liar [00:36] itss really current [00:36] think Alienbob's got some builds for LXDE over at his site [00:36] TriniTuX: so you're lying. [00:36] ? [00:36] sorry? [00:36] vector does have that same file; that command would say that [00:36] TriniTuX: that's not the expected output. [00:36] thumbs: has slackware-current updated the slackware-version file yet? [00:36] I am not on vector; I'm trying to install vector on this other laptop [00:37] Dominian: my -current image is not booted, don't know. [00:37] ah [00:37] Action: Dominian should probably build another slackware32 and slackware64 vm [00:37] nope I don't remember the status being updated in changlogs [00:37] wait, you're right, I apologize [00:37] TriniTuX: what init does it enter before it hangs? [00:37] Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 [00:37] Action: thumbs wonders why there are so many 0's now. [00:37] umm gimme a sec to reboot to see [00:38] some aztec calendar joke, maybe [00:38] thumbs: I don't remember the reasoning behind it to be honest hehe [00:38] that's just silly now. [00:38] ok, the boy runs a slack desktop. [00:38] ok thats cute; it never did hit init [00:39] so yup you guys nailed it [00:39] its their build [00:39] um [00:40] I just didn't want to do much work on an lightweight install [00:40] besides the 'dos' screen might scare my dad away [00:40] TriniTuX: have you tried with the boot parameter --enable=helter-skelter? [00:40] be specific [00:41] is it lilo that i the bootloader? [00:41] I tried - linux noprobe text [00:41] didn't work [00:41] yes lilo [00:41] TriniTuX, what's the specs of that laptop? [00:41] TriniTuX: do a simple test - try to boot slax on it. [00:42] dell 2650, 256 ram 1.7g intel [00:42] 30g ide hdd [00:42] those are decent specs, i'm a crappier machine right now [00:42] :P [00:42] lol [00:42] well its a known issues with this model [00:42] TriniTuX: i was joking though try with nodma and acpi=off [00:42] wario: ok trying now [00:43] TriniTuX: If vector is giving issues.. you could try Slackware.. if that doesn't work you could give openSUSE a shot.. it should work on there as well [00:43] just tab at the lilo prompt [00:43] trhodes, true...real decent [00:43] Dominian: aww a 4th slackware machine in the house? [00:43] I don't understand because this is apparently for his granddad or something. seems like ubuntu or linux mint might be better. [00:44] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.105.11) joined ##slackware. [00:44] TriniTuX: I have tons of slackware machines.. and opensuse :P [00:44] wario: params you suggested didn't work :-( [00:44] boot into init 1 [00:45] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:45] tab at lilo boot screen then Vector init 1 where vector is the actual lilo label [00:45] TriniTuX, here's a good link on others who've installed linux to various dells over the years...good refs http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html [00:45] maginot (~maginot@unaffiliated/maginot) joined ##slackware. [00:46] ga can't go to init remember [00:46] TriniTuX: yes you can [00:46] soccerfan151 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:46] so it doesn't matter if I specify init 6 lol [00:46] well the boot process does not reach init [00:46] MLanden: ok I'll see whats documented [00:47] so I'm thinking that what you all suggested about the crappy build being accurate [00:47] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:47] TriniTuX, 'cause the links have been references over the years..there tend to be some dead links [00:47] [00:48] ok [00:48] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [00:48] well i'll probably install slack and install bootsplash [00:48] IF I don't succeed in a next couple hours [00:49] TriniTuX: you have tried the init 1? [00:49] wario: yes but like I said the boot process never reaches the point of init [00:50] of loading init version blah blah [00:50] I don't see that in the boot process at all [00:50] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:50] TriniTuX: add loglevel=6 to lilo.conf append line [00:51] wario: umm linux isn't installed you know [00:52] it's the boot disk hanging !?? [00:52] yup! [00:52] Action: TriniTuX scratches head more [00:52] well that would have been good information to have [00:53] Action: TriniTuX hangs head... [00:53] oops [00:53] did you burn the cd at the lowest speed? [00:53] yup [00:53] md5sum checks out [00:54] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:54] TriniTuX, when you try to boot the live cd,does it give you the option acpi=off ? [00:54] there has to be a way to not load this specific raid controller module at boot [00:55] MLanden: I suppose but you see if the boot process never completes I have no way to telling [00:55] forget complete; it never really starts lol [00:55] TriniTuX: I found this; http://search.code-head.com/F-I-feel-Stupid-and-the-internetz-not-helpfl-stuck-at-Adapetec-I2O-Raid-detecting-1884716 [00:56] XD [00:56] ah thats exactly what my problem is like [00:57] so you see its not _just_ vectorlinux ha ha [00:58] TriniTuX: it's a problem with the huge kernel, does vector include generic? [00:58] I just ran lilo after upgrading my kernel via slackpkg on my old beloved thinkpad. on boot, it goes "mount: mounting /dev/hda2 on /mnt failed: No such device" [00:58] but then, i type "mount /dev/hda2 /mnt" and it happily obliges, and i type "exit" and it boots [00:59] wario: I really wish I knew [00:59] but you still need a huge kernel to boot right? [00:59] ut: upgraded to -current? [00:59] well its recommended [00:59] just 13.0 [01:00] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:00] ut: which kernel did you upgrade to though? [01:00] generic-smp-2.6.29.6 [01:00] [01:00] TriniTuX: mount the iso in slackware and look in boot for the generic kernel [01:01] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [01:01] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:01] wario: k [01:02] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [01:03] Good morning. [01:03] Does anyone know how I can output all the names of the dir to a text file? <:) [01:03] heya,riza [01:03] of what dir? [01:03] ls nameofdir > textfile [01:04] Any dir. say I want to grab all the names of the albums in my audio dir. [01:04] yeah that line odes it [01:04] maybe you want to use -1 [01:04] Woohoo. I need to have more faith in myself. [01:05] might as well stick some awk in there while you're at it [01:05] ut why are you mounting to /mnt ? [01:05] wario, are you talking to me? D: [01:05] riza, how'd you solver your last problem?...you left quickly [01:05] part of the boot process. the error was complaining that the device (I guess) didn't exist [01:05] riza: na [01:05] so i thought i'd try to do the thing that was failing [01:05] Ooh there is actually someone named ut. I thought it was a typo. [01:05] s/solver/solve [01:05] Action: ut waves [01:05] MLanden, which prooblem? :D [01:05] Action: riza waves at ut. [01:05] ut: fwiw, fresh installs are a better idea [01:06] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:06] it is fresh. nearly fresh. [01:06] I thought wario installed rootkit on my computer and saw I mounted my files in /mnt and asked "but.." [01:06] ut: though what were you upgrading from? [01:06] missing devices -> missing kernel modules [01:06] watch out for wario bros. [01:06] or missing kernels [01:06] i installed 13.0, then i ran "slackpkg upgrade-all" [01:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:06] thus, "upgraded the kernel" [01:06] ahah! [01:06] riza, the problem with truecrypt [01:07] MLanden, ooh! You mount it and tell it to no filesystem attribute. [01:07] It was a command, not found in the GUI. [01:07] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:07] what a load of crap; the readme says there are two kernels, sata and ide which you can choose from and the ide one isn't on the cd in the kernel dir [01:07] riza, cool [01:07] Solved it via google thtough, it says truecrypt ppl didnt put that option in. [01:07] MLanden, only one problem left - I must find out how to fsck truecrypt partitions! [01:07] <:D [01:08] NaCl: question then: if it complains about the missing device, but the mount goes through painlessly in that busybox prompt it drops you to, can it still be a kernel module issue? [01:08] Action: TriniTuX flings cd accross room [01:08] oh. [01:08] Action: riza ducks. [01:08] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:08] [01:08] ut: i'm not sure though i know with the newer like past .32 kernel the name was changed from hda to sda even for ide hard disk becuase the kernels use libsata now or what not. [01:08] LOAD!! [01:08] wario: that is correct [01:09] ut: sounds like a bad boot config, maybe [01:09] Action: NaCl is guessing [01:09] Action: ut hmms [01:09] just strange because i didn't think it mounted a whole partition directly to /mnt unless actually specified [01:10] thanks folks for all suggestions, I'm off ot install a 'sane' slackware [01:10] :) Thank you guys. 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I thought that was cause I'm no native speaker.... [02:39] wario, love that one :) [02:39] hahahahahah [02:40] :) [02:40] gotta love alienBOB =) [02:40] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [02:40] that was good [02:43] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-118-80.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [02:44] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-118-80.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:48] heya,fire|bird [02:48] heya MLanden [02:48] how are you? [02:48] doin' fine thanks...and you? [02:49] MLanden: I'm doing great, thanks. [02:49] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:51] Nick change: wario -> haha [02:52] Nick change: haha -> Guest29959 [02:54] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4219, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-26 04:04:08 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:54] Nick change: Guest29959 -> wario [02:55] godmode (~godmode@cpe-72-129-79-118.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:56] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:56] hola! hola! uno question senorita's... : ) [02:57] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [02:57] i just created a slackware image in sun virtual on a windows xp host. can duplicate this image at this stage of updates? [02:57] has anyone been able to get freenx running on their system? [02:58] godmode, yes, you can copy the vbox hard drive file and make two identical machines. [02:58] echelon, alien has the packages. [02:58] yeah, but it's old. [02:58] and it's broken. [02:59] i dunno, I've only used vnc and rdp. [02:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:59] ok [02:59] toytoy (~standardk@unaffiliated/t0yt0y) joined ##slackware. [02:59] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [02:59] toytoy kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ: User is banned from this channel [02:59] what'd he do? [02:59] masturbate to dog the bounty hunter's wife [02:59] echelon, but you can reuse the slackbuild and make a newer nx package [03:00] why is it everytime i connect to this channel. i get detected to botnet command and control server.. why? [03:00] tried to. [03:00] it's brokens. [03:01] godmode: what're you talking about? [03:01] slava_dp: thanks .... [03:03] echelon i gues he about bots/proxy-probing [03:03] oh. [03:04] which is usually auto-filtered-out by firewalls on 60% of PC's [03:05] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:05] and get messages[in private channel] like "this is you botnet C&C server. all you bases - now belong to us ! Surrender now !!" [03:06] huh [03:06] and some random evil laugh in headphones [03:06] are you "trolling" ? [03:06] hm, not [03:06] just guessing [03:06] no... i am running sun virtual w/ slackware but the hosts bot scanner keeps poping annoying detected to botnet command and control server.. wtf is that [03:06] but under 1st april influence, yes [03:06] what the hell is going on [03:07] godmode, you on windows. that means your machine is infected. so deal with it. [03:07] s/deal with it/remove windows/ [03:07] slava_dp [03:08] godmode [03:08] Action: brbrbr put song "i shot the sheriff/windows" (c) B Marley in jukebox [03:08] i scanned.. no trace.. could it be something on VM? [03:08] iddqd ? [03:08] godmode: could it be your nick raising a red flag? [03:09] "scanned" what ? how you can detect[custom]rootkit/botnet C&C ? scan from where ? inside it ???! [03:09] let's drop this discussion, it's offtopic. [03:09] wtf??? scan??? vm soon with rookit.. scann??? [03:10] godmode (godmode@cpe-72-129-79-118.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [03:10] Action: brbrbr then drops discussion. and bootnets and coffee [03:12] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:14] I must say after recompiling freetype package with the subpixel rendering enabled in the slackbuild the difference is huge in the better quality of the fonts. [03:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] fsilva (~fsilva@201.22.53.131.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:15] wario, you just rebuilt the freetype package, reinstalled and that's it? [03:16] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Quit: sleep [03:16] alreadygone (silas@119.154.105.11) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:16] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:17] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:17] lol...let me topeka that for you..:D [03:17] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.16.19.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:18] slava_dp: that and made sure $LANG was set to en_US.UTF-8 [03:18] eh... and if my LANG is ru_UA.UTF-8, will it work? [03:18] slava_dp: it should, yeah. [03:19] slava_dp: http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~dugan/slackware-fonts/ [03:19] slava_dp: yea [03:19] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-215-141.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:19] wario: I did that before, rebuilt that stuff, and then started using the droid fonts, fonts were very nice looking then. [03:19] yeah, i didn't do all the steps though just the freetype rebuild [03:20] wario: yeah, I did them all, but I'm sure freetype alone makes a very nice difference. [03:20] yeah, it's still a big difference [03:20] my consoles are utf8 with language switching even. [03:22] slava_dp: I didn't use the slackbuilds from that site though. I rebuilt the official slackware freetype one. [03:25] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:26] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [03:28] I've got a .bashrc that's not executed when I sudo, did I misunderstand something? [03:28] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.180) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [03:29] Coke: do you have a .bash_profile? [03:29] wario: yeah [03:29] does it execute .bashrc? [03:29] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [03:29] It's not executed at all because it's not a login shell [03:30] slava_dp, on your keyboard,where is your / \ key located? [03:30] Coke, source .bashrc from .bash_profile. [03:30] Coke, "help source" [03:31] Action: MLanden was looking at various keymaps on wikipedia [03:31] Coke: here is my .bashr_profile [03:31] http://pastie.org/898488 [03:32] slava_dp: really? but .bash_profile is not run on sudo [03:34] Coke: what's not being parsed that you are noticing? [03:34] wario: the file is not being run [03:34] From what I understand it's not supposed to either [03:34] Coke: either way .bash_profile should be set to source .bashrc [03:34] .bash_profile = login shell only [03:34] .bashrc = non-login shell [03:34] sudo is NOT a login shell [03:34] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:35] it should not, and as far as I can see, does not execute .bash_profile [03:35] Coke: how do you know .bashrc is not being executed is what i'm asking. [03:36] wario: echo "HELLO!!!!!!!!!" <- not present [03:36] MLanden, one is near Return, another one near the left Shift. [03:36] also, none of the paths are set etc etc [03:36] wario: it's quite simple to find out [03:36] MLanden, and another one near the right shift [03:36] Coke: then do it yourself [03:36] wario: do what? [03:36] Coke: don't be an ass to someone trying to help you. [03:36] wario: i'm not an ass [03:36] slava_dp, thanks...the RU layout? [03:37] leopard (~leopard@222.124.207.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:37] wario: I have no idea what got into you, but whatever it is a misunderstanding [03:37] MLanden, yeah, there are various (3?) setups for ru/ua layout that i've seen wrt / \ | position, return key form and left shift length. [03:37] my echo line is not showing, it's a simple way of finding out if .bash_profile is run or not [03:38] MLanden, althouth the keycodes match for all symbols, so no additional setup required. [03:38] slava_dp, ok..thanks [03:38] Coke: okay that makes more sense. i thought you were directing the hello!!!! to me [03:39] wario: no, it was my test. [03:39] i see [03:39] also, the paths aren't setup correctly so that's a good test too [03:39] wario: you mind checking if your sudo -s runs your .bash_profile? [03:39] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:39] because mine is completely ignored for both su and sudo unless I specify a login shell explicitly [03:40] fwiw it'll be ignored by su unless you call it as su - [03:40] not sure about sudo [03:40] Coke: it works without the -s [03:40] Action: slava_dp always uses su - [03:40] slava_dp: it will be ignored and should be [03:41] wario: like if you run a command? [03:41] thing is, sudo -s gives me a root shell. like su [03:41] Coke: i did sudo echo "Hello sudo" [03:41] /usr/bin/echo: /usr/bin/echo: cannot execute binary file [03:41] mm [03:41] with -s [03:41] well, -s just gives you a shell [03:42] Anyway, my .bash_profile is not sourced with sudo regardless [03:42] Coke: didn't know that. I usually use su [03:42] only su - (login shell) works [03:42] wario: yeah, with sudo you can setup some security that su doesn't provide [03:42] not sure if it's better, I just seem to prefer it [03:42] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:43] Coke: after sudo -s echot $ARCH gives me nothing [03:43] echo* [03:43] Hm, and $ARCH is set previous to this? [03:44] it's in my .bashrc [03:44] so your .bashrc is not executed either? [03:44] not my root .bashrc [03:44] nope. [03:45] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.180) joined ##slackware. [03:45] leopard (~leopard@222.124.207.250) joined ##slackware. [03:45] though . /root/.bashrc works fine [03:45] AH! [03:45] I figured it out! D [03:46] sudo -s will execute .bashrc in the directory of the user issuing the sudo [03:46] NOT the target user [03:46] I see [03:46] while that makes no practical sense, I guess it's logical? [03:46] yes [03:47] It seems logical because you don't have r/w access to /root in the first place [03:48] yeah, but you get root access, then a new shell [03:48] that's how sudo should work anyway [03:48] fsilva_ (~fsilva@201.86.20.161.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:48] so there's a reason to use su - instead then [03:49] su doesn't care what directory you are in. [03:50] wario: neither does sudo, it just uses the old home dir [03:50] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:50] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.16.19.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:50] it makes sense, it's NOT a login shell, so why would it change the environment? [03:51] it's just too early here and not enough coffee [03:51] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [03:51] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:51] Coke: i don't have much experience with sudo though does it allow you acces to "everything" root has access to? [03:51] wario: no, you can setup acl-like structures [03:51] user/group this or that can run these commands [03:52] Coke: haha that is exactly right, it is not in fact a log in shell. [03:52] so there is the logic [03:52] wario: I knew that, but I figured at least .bashrc would be run [03:52] On most dists, .bashrc is provided and run automatically on non-logins [03:52] Coke: yes, i'm aware of those settings. i was just curious if there were any hard restrictions that even visudo wouldn't change. [03:53] wario: no, you can open up your computer real bad if you're careless with sudo [03:53] I usually make an administrative account with full sudo privileges just so I dont have to be logged in as root too much [03:54] how that any safer? [03:54] slava_ (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:54] no rm -rf / by mistake [03:54] so not full sudo privs then? [03:54] slava_ (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Client Quit [03:54] i.e. no sudo rm [03:54] well, if I do sudo rm -rf / it will commence destruction [03:55] uh [03:55] but normally I'll have access rights to only the portion of the filesystem relevant for that administrative task [03:56] think before you type, and wait a fraction of a second before pressing return. this helps. [03:56] and because I have to prefix unrestricted commands with "sudo" I tend to take better note [03:57] or su -c [03:58] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:58] yeah, whatever makes me realize that I'm about to use the hammer of root is ok [03:58] don't phear root, just think before typing [03:59] recently a cute exploit was found in sudo. basically you make your own sudoedit file and then that gets run as root [03:59] leopard (~leopard@222.124.207.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:59] mancha, does that still work? :) [03:59] Got any links? Can non-sudoers edit? [04:00] leopard (~leopard@222.124.207.250) joined ##slackware. [04:00] because i have like mail admin accounts which can only sudo specific mail-related stuff, don't want them to get access to more things [04:00] slava on machines with those runas configs and not the latest versions, yes [04:00] "runas configs" ? [04:02] run as [04:02] http://sudo.ws/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=389 [04:05] Mick_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:05] i'm guessing using full path such as /usr/bin/sudoedit would work? [04:06] nice bug [04:06] to fix it [04:06] that would work with any command pretty much [04:06] heheh [04:09] That's sort of a stupid bug too. [04:09] They could have easily fixed it by using full path for whatever sudoedit is [04:10] I've found that a pair of scissors is the best security measurment [04:10] Use it to cut all network cables :P [04:11] how bout to cut off your tongue (or fingers in this case) [04:13] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [04:13] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:16] mancha: I like my digits [04:16] :> [04:21] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:22] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:23] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. 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[04:38] Hey kids, try this command: rm -rfv /* [04:39] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:39] Emeau-cat (~Emeau-cat@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:39] Mya (~Mya@84-203-71-219.mysmart.ie) joined ##slackware. [04:39] Hey kids, try this command: rm -rfv /* [04:40] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:41] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:41] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Morn [04:42] morning [04:43] alienBOB: op needed [04:43] idd [04:43] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [04:44] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.mysmart.ie' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [04:44] Mya kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: Mya [04:44] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [04:44] Mirian: and Sarda also [04:44] he also hides after 2 ip's that i can't reverse dns [04:44] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [04:44] Sarda [04:45] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@64.210.46.*' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [04:45] Sarda kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: Sarda [04:45] and Mirian [04:45] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@216.110.109.*' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [04:45] Mirian kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: Mirian [04:45] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.mysmart.ie' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [04:45] But too wide, that ban [04:46] ay [04:46] thanks alienBOB [04:47] Is there any way to disable the videocard on a laptop that I plan to use as a router/server? I don't want people to snoop on it. [04:47] cheers,alienBOB [04:47] Azeotrope: You could set the bios to always use the extra vga out port if it supports it [04:48] Azeotrope, what's the make of the laptop? [04:48] also, if i plan to use firefox or thunderbird thru ssh with X11 forwarding will it be a PITA? [04:49] what do you mean snooping anyway don't want anyone to see a tty login ? [04:49] Azeotrope: works great on a lan though over the nets it is a pita [04:49] Azeotrope: try it [04:49] leopard (~leopard@222.124.207.250) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:50] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.18.15) joined ##slackware. [04:50] MLanden: INTEL PENTIUM III MOBILE 650 mhz Mhz, RAM-128 Mb [04:50] yeah, i don't understand the why you would need to turn of the vga since all they will see is a console [04:50] wario: yea, i plan to use it over the lan [04:51] Azeotrope, is it <=intel810? [04:51] i need some way to prevent people using it [04:51] Azeotrope: you can have X open on your computer on the lan and it won't be displayed on the server computer. [04:51] they will still only see the console login screen only [04:51] MLanden: yes [04:52] if that is what you were worried about [04:52] well, that's fine. thanks [04:53] Kenisha (~Kenisha@200.50.78.226) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Kenisha (~Kenisha@200.50.78.226) left irc: K-Lined [04:53] also, i should install a minimal slackware on it. i really don't need everything [04:54] Honey (~Honey@ip4da1fb57.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:54] Honey (~Honey@ip4da1fb57.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: K-Lined [04:55] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Denim (~Denim@cpc2-sgyl10-0-0-cust53.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Denim (~Denim@cpc2-sgyl10-0-0-cust53.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Killed (evilmquin (Killed.)) [04:56] hey all [04:57] Azeotrope, might be able to use Option "MonitorLayout" in xorg.conf...man intel...for the options..good luck [04:58] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [05:00] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y expired. [05:00] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:00] gary_terry (~sibb@212.183.140.21) joined ##slackware. [05:01] thank you! [05:03] Azeotrope, another option is using xrandr --output VGA --mode [05:04] All KDE4 fans (yes, both of you): http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/kde-sc-4-4-2-for-slackware-including-policykit/ [05:04] alienBOB: woo! [05:04] Azeotrope, np...good luck [05:04] policykit == polkit? i cant remember which two names are different [05:08] Azeotrope, might be able to get more info if you match up(closest match of your model to thinkpad) over @ thinkwiki.org..really helpful with the earlier intel laptops [05:08] Zordrak: yes [05:08] MLanden: ok. thanks again. [05:08] alienBOB: pre-cursor to inclusion? or did you just feel like having a stab at it? (i assume this is with the shadow patch) [05:08] Azeotrope, np [05:09] Zordrak: I felt it was needed at this moment. [05:09] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.18.15) left ##slackware. [05:09] okey dokey.. well as ever thank you very much for your effort. Its greatly appreciated by a lot of people. [05:10] errrr "not older than 30-april-2010" [05:12] is right in the readme (march) but wrong on the blog [05:12] alienBOB: can I compile latest KDE for my 13.0? is it hard? or messy? or instanble? [05:12] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-142-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [05:13] unfortunately.. i will have to wait for 4.4.2 because i froze my desktop at -current with 2.6.32.7 ... need to check on nvidia's kernel compatibility [05:15] Azeotrope: don't think it's do-able iirc [05:16] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:21] Azeotrope: you can try, I know it is possible but some additional Slackware 13.0 packages will have to be updated as well [05:24] Azeotrope: if you want to try, you can follow this readme for BlueWhite64 13.0 which has the same package set as Slackware 13.0: http://packages.bluewhite64.com:8080/bluewhite64-13.0/kde-4.4.2/README.txt [05:24] loving xkcd today... [05:25] haha [05:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-55.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:28] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:29] i must be getting old. i only think ive found the register's april fool [05:29] monolux (~trem@95.169.46.228) joined ##slackware. [05:30] wow@xkcd [05:31] I have a police scanner hooked to my slackware server, what application could i use to stream the audio over internet ? [05:32] anyone confirm that virtualbox kernel module fails on -current? Im sure i heard someone saying it yesterday... i need virtualbox and nvidia so need to be careful in updating [05:35] lesser (~lesser@117.136.12.69) joined ##slackware. [05:37] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [05:39] monolux: it works on other freqs too? like airline's? [05:40] yes [05:40] http://www.liveatc.net/ [05:41] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Icecast and Darkice perhaps [05:42] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:42] lucky me they have slackbuilds for them also [05:42] Zordrak: remember how it failed on -current? [05:42] also, which -current? the one from yesterday evening (doubt it) or before? [05:42] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [05:43] Camarade_Tux: what do you mean? [05:43] monolux, is the audio patch to stereo...or is it mono? [05:43] it failed to install, failed to run, panicked the system? [05:44] Camarade_Tux: im on a -current.. but its with 2.6.32.7 kernel.... before i update to -current in order to get kde sc 4.4.2 i need to know if the vbox kernel module works with the -current kernel [05:45] Jack plug is stereo and gives signal on both channels, but ima stream only mono [05:45] im just gonna have to test it on a spare box arent i? [05:46] monolux: will you make that stream publicly available? [05:46] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [05:46] monolux, cool...good luck [05:46] yes, but im seated in norway nothing interesting up here [05:46] my intel VGA not dected by Xorg.conf what i do now ? [05:47] thanks MLanden, ima need it. im no nix wiz [05:47] monolux: why don't you monitor air traffic? [05:48] i dont understand half of what they're saying [05:51] monolux, language or the choice of aviation jargon? [05:52] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) joined ##slackware. [05:53] monolux: please let me know when the stream is ready, i want to listen some [05:54] i will [05:54] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:57] thanks [05:58] Where do I set the domainname for a box? [05:59] nano /etc/hosts [06:01] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:01] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [06:01] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-184-203.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:02] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:04] blaines (~blaines@173-23-143-17.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [06:05] lesser (~lesser@117.136.12.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:06] Azeotrope: it was set, but domainname says (none) [06:07] Coke, /etc/HOSTNAME [06:07] Coke, then "/bin/hostname < /etc/HOSTNAME" to set it [06:07] but better off reboot [06:07] slava_dp: and that sets both domain and hostname? [06:08] cat /etc/HOSTNAME [06:08] zp-server.stech [06:08] ah, but it already has the domain [06:08] weird [06:08] hm, I'll see next reboot. but hey! my bind config seems to work [06:09] I'm trying to use pkgtool, but when I pick "install packages from current directory" it just exits without message. [06:09] upgradepkg --install-new ./*.t?z [06:10] Ah. [06:10] Nick change: fsilva_ -> fsilva [06:11] slava_dp: won't it work with /etc/hosts too? [06:11] Azeotrope, no [06:11] you can ping yourself if you are in /etc/hosts, but your hostname will not be set. [06:12] slava_dp: I think it's like a DNS light for local resolves [06:12] nothing like pinging yourself on a dark rainy thursday [06:12] KernES (~USUARIO47@178.Red-79-148-252.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [06:12] hi [06:12] Coke, smth like that :) [06:12] Perhaps you can answer this: why is Bind so frigging complicated? [06:13] wth? PKE file not found... its RIGHT THERE! [06:13] *PXE [06:13] I'd like a DNS server where I just say "domain=yada.com; somehost = 192.168.0.10" and then it wuold just resolve it both ways [06:13] Coke too much roots in past i guess. thats why its named BIND, i guess [06:13] I even wrote my own DNS server for the LAN [06:13] try UNBOUND or DJBDNS. for example [06:14] Coke, dnsmasq works well for a lan. [06:14] they also "wrote my own dns server" as sholl homework. its called "BIND 10" and written on Pyton [06:15] brbrbr: I wrote my stuff in python too [06:15] Coke but not key elements of infrastructure, right? [06:15] But ideally I'd like to write a wholly portable C implementation that works both on LAN and internet without weird C/perl syntax [06:16] brbrbr: yeah, it was. or is, until i replace it with bind when this new server comes online [06:16] I'm guessing shayans won't allow us to enforce legal characterss? [06:17] oops. wrong [06:17] KernES (~USUARIO47@178.Red-79-148-252.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:28] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [06:29] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.104.74) joined ##slackware. [06:29] \o [06:30] o/ [06:30] \o/ [06:30] any tips on debugging pxe? cant figure out why it cant find this file [06:30] /o\ [06:31] Zordrak, i've a pxe server. what does yours report in the logs? [06:31] theres no tftp logging anywhere [06:32] dhcpd shows just what youd expect [06:32] inetd logs to /var/log/messages [06:32] you sure your tftp is running? [06:32] yes.. i can connect to it and download the file [06:32] Zordrak - just dump traffic to see [06:33] Redhat, what is your profession? 'to make a commercial Linux'... Ubuntu makers, what is your profession? 'to make Linux easier for the user.' SLACKERS, what is your /profession/?! [06:33] Zordrak: what's the entry in your dhcpd.conf for the file, and show us ls -l output. usually what happens is people set prefix for /tftpboot [06:33] brbrbr: know how to filter in tcpdump? i dont have wireshark on this box atm [06:33] personally i'm starting to find dnsmasq a great tool for doing pxe: it logs every tftp request [06:34] filename "/slackware-13.0/pxelinux.0"; [06:34] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:34] is what I have [06:34] ananke: i tried botnh. was originally configured precisely as in the readme.. but have been trying with a pure `filename "pxelinux.0";` and putting the bits in the root of the tftp dir [06:35] dchmelik, your profession is to troll obviously :) [06:35] sec.. im gonna put it back how iths supposed to be [06:35] ? if you had time - just load stuff into emacs/vi/etc and check/filter/format/print it [06:35] Zordrak: the path is supposed to be relative to your tftpboot tree [06:35] think of it as chroot [06:35] ananke: indeed [06:35] i know [06:35] slava_dp, I was paraphrasing the comic/movie 300, where Leonidas says 'SPARTANS, what is your /profession/"!' [06:36] dork :P [06:36] hence it WAS /slackware-current/pxelinux.0 bit i also tried it in the root of tftp as "pxelinux.0" [06:36] ;) [06:36] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) joined ##slackware. [06:36] dchmelik, http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1867 XD [06:36] lol [06:37] Zordrak: what is the client doing btw? is it complaining about not being able to download a file? [06:37] PKE-T01: File not found [06:37] *PXE [06:38] k, good, so at least it gets that far. and i assume you have set your tftp server's ip in dhcp? [06:38] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:38] sec.. [06:39] Zordrak, tftp logs to /var/log/syslog [06:39] i just confirmed that [06:39] slava_dp: checked there too [06:39] s/tftp/inetd/ [06:40] Reaver2 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [06:41] Zordrak: so next-server is set correctly? [06:42] http://pastebin.com/hdHGUZTf [06:42] should also say this worked 6 mths ago [06:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:42] but 13 not current [06:42] dhcp and tftp are same server.. .108.2 [06:43] k, making sure. that's often not the case [06:43] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.14.112) left irc: Quit: I'll be back... [06:43] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:44] btw, which tftp do you use? i've never had much good luck with the bundled in.tftpd, and most of the time i've had to use atftpd [06:44] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [06:44] using bundled.. [06:44] i use in.tftpd, works [06:44] but still, it hasnt changed.. same server same setup [06:44] hasn't changed? so this used to work? [06:45] well, works serving 13.0 from -current here. [06:45] it worked on 64-13.0 [06:45] (s/on/serving/ [06:45] i changed it to -current [06:45] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:45] wvill retry 64-13.0 [06:45] so change it back to 64-13.0 [06:45] now that's a key piece of information, the fact that it used to work :) [06:46] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@64.210.46.* expired. [06:46] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@216.110.109.* expired. [06:46] ##slackware: mode change '-bb *!*@64.210.46.* *!*@216.110.109.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:46] qt-x (~c1e206e2@gateway/web/freenode/x-jryoznmzkmoxxjdu) joined ##slackware. [06:47] same deal [06:47] wtf is going on here? [06:47] Reaver2 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [06:48] verify permissions on pxelinux.0, see if it's readable by everybody. same thing for the dirs above it [06:49] yup all is well permissions wise.. as id expect from cp -av [06:49] im gfonna have to wipe the tftp stuff and do it from scratch [06:49] blaines (~blaines@173-23-143-17.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:51] i have the same paths so i can paste right out of the readme [06:52] qt-x (~c1e206e2@gateway/web/freenode/x-jryoznmzkmoxxjdu) left irc: Quit: Page closed [06:52] e-DIO-t (~e-DIO-t@93-40-121-47.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:52] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:53] ok.. i now have exactl/y the same as the readme asks [06:53] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] SAME error! [06:54] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:54] same client as before? [06:54] i dont see how but this must be a client problem [06:55] not necessarily.. but same motherboard series [06:55] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [06:55] i tried testing from vbox but it wouldnt play.. just bitched about not beaing ale to read from boot mediu [06:56] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [06:56] well, reverting everything to the original 'working' condition should result in a working scenario. so something is still different, that's why i mention the client [06:56] hom can it be getting valid dhcp response.. but failing to tftp? [06:56] urgh [06:57] is the client an old computer? [06:57] Zordrak: like i said, consider using dnsmasq. it logs all tftp/dhcp requests in a very verbose way [06:59] tried another client.... bad power.. now trying ANOTHER [07:01] >.< no dhcp response at all [07:01] heh [07:03] okj.. yukon still getting no dhcp.. nvidia got dhcp but no tftp [07:04] e-DIO-t (e-DIO-t@93-40-121-47.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [07:04] gonna try a diff cable.. rule out the switch port [07:05] Axius (~hi@92.85.222.43) joined ##slackware. [07:06] okk lets try ANOTHER client.. but with an nvidia chipset and the new switch port [07:06] Axius (~hi@92.85.222.43) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:07] pragma_ (pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left ##slackware. [07:08] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:08] damnnit.. have to go out to the floor and use someone's whos not in today [07:10] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:11] another totally different nvidia client did the same thing [07:11] file not found [07:13] ananke: the problem with moving to dnsmasq is i cant move dhcp to it [07:13] dhcp is a production system with dynamic bind zone updates [07:14] Zordrak, are you talking to your self :P ? [07:14] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16920.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:15] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Zordrak does your remoteboot machine get IP from your DHCP server? [07:17] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nzcwumuyztgflyrb) joined ##slackware. [07:17] yes... ive even just set a specific host line to give it a fixed address and it pussed that address [07:17] *pulled [07:18] other parameters set correctly? [07:18] so this is a tftp issue.. theres no other candidate [07:18] http://pastebin.com/hdHGUZTf [07:18] i use PXE to boot my slackware lso [07:20] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [07:21] yes i also had some issues with my TFTPserver, verify that it works 100% by using GET commands and see that it really pulls those files off the server. [07:21] the ONLY thing that looks funny is PKE reporting PROXY IP: [07:21] - specified from option netbios-name-servers [07:22] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.81.252) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-30-143.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:23] sounds like u got some tweaking to do in your dhcp conf [07:24] .. it hasnt changed [07:24] Zordrak: try atftp [07:25] i'm almost certain it logs more [07:25] u able to get files of ur tftp? [07:25] monolux: yes [07:25] ananke: thats the next step.. just doing a tcpdump [07:26] ... if i can work out how to dump based on hw addr [07:27] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:28] if tftp works and listening in UDP u should focus on your dhcp, use minimal config to weed out any troublemaker options :) [07:29] monolux: the dhcp config has not changed since it worked. it is a production dhcp server [07:29] i think its trying to get tftp from the wins server [07:30] tcpdump shows the dhcp request and response and then just an ARP req for the ip of the wins server [07:31] putting wireshark to work on the wins server [07:31] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. 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[07:38] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:39] i dont [07:40] its part of the dhcp options fro all hosts [07:40] BINGO [07:40] its trying to tftp off the bloody wins server [07:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:41] so what the hell? why is it ignoring next-server [07:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:42] its only specified in ONE place in the dhcpd conf and thats `option netbios-name-servers 10.99.110.1, 10.99.110.2; [07:44] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.73.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:46] well as you said, dhcpd config is ok [07:47] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.14.112) joined ##slackware. [07:49] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-eutkkvrafdlktupj) joined ##slackware. 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[08:00] i think so. havent checked tbh. that doesnt sound like a doesnt work msg [08:00] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] btw i havent investigated this at all. i just asked :p [08:01] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-140-239.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:01] what does slackware use for package management? [08:02] the admins brain [08:02] lol [08:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-52-241.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:02] along with pkgtools [08:02] so slackware hasnt jump on that bandwagon yet? [08:03] shit ive just realised what has changed since it last worked! [08:03] i Veritas NetBackup Bare Metal Restore boot server has been installed on that wins server [08:04] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:04] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:04] which means the PXE client is picking it up on its own and ignoring what the dhcp option says [08:04] hmm, looks like iran uses their own version of slackware too [08:04] flity (~foolity@123.121.2.35) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:04] and u did see that in wireshark yes?? dhcpd was giving other IP's than u wanted [08:05] ... no [08:05] Justin22885, what ? [08:05] iran has their own distro based on slackware [08:05] and where is the problem :P.. everyone can do the same thing :) [08:05] im interested in trying it [08:06] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:07] don't !! instead of seeing fortune adages !! you will see mohamed ones hahaha [08:07] gary_terry (~sibb@212.183.140.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:08] kill everyone that don't believe on me ! [08:08] i just dont think i want ubuntu anymore.. so im looking at slackware and its children, also arch and opensuse [08:09] monolux: i dont know how many ways its possible to say "the dhcp server config has not changed since last working" .. but if you can think of any more ways to say it.. feel free to let me know [08:09] im downloading mopslinux now [08:09] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:09] ananke: the veritas BMR service was usurping the pxe request [08:09] Zordrak: ouch [08:09] ananke: tbh i dont know how... im guessing pxe has some built in auto-discovery [08:10] Justin22885, mopslinux is russian, why would you want it? [08:10] learning russian [08:10] Zordrak: it shouldn't unless veritas bmr also serves dhcp [08:10] as soon as i stopped the service on the wins server pxe worked perfectly and instantly [08:10] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [08:10] ananke: bmr was configured to know DHCP was on another server [08:10] and not to use its own [08:10] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [08:11] the ONLY thing it says thats relevant is it gives commands for changing the dhcp config of an external windows dhcp server to remove two options "to allow another pxe service to work" [08:11] options 60 and 43 iirc [08:11] slackware 9.0 was my first ever linux OS [08:12] for me it was fedora core 1 [08:12] lol [08:12] so, why did you install slack 8.0 in 2010? X^) [08:12] what? [08:12] s/8.0/9.0 :) [08:13] Action: slava_dp was making an attempt at humour [08:13] slava_dp, so you are pushing Zordrak :P [08:13] wut? [08:13] why cant i find a slackware 13.0 iso? [08:14] Justin22885, not all mirrors host it [08:14] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:14] pick a local mirror [08:14] slava_dp, Zordrak hates kidding.. especially when he has troubles :P [08:14] ananke: on initial investigation, it *looks* like the BMR pxE service sends an additional DHCP response to any DISCOVER it sees to say "i know im not your dhcp serever.. but if you want to PXE, im your man" [08:14] is it really that new slava? [08:15] Zordrak: fun [08:15] ananke: tell me about it(!) [08:15] rouge dhcp [08:15] well, seems theres like a bagillion CDs for slackware [08:15] Justin22885, not relevant. some mirrors do not host iso's only the package tree. [08:15] there is 1 dvd [08:15] i found a mirror that had it, so im downloading 13.0 now at about 1.5mbps [08:16] and it's best to use the torrent.... [08:16] torrents ftw, IMO [08:16] i'm still seeding 13.0 at home [08:16] also its good way 2 support it. keep seeding after [08:16] yep [08:17] im just downloading it directy.. though my router has a built in torrent client that allows me to download files to an external hdd plugged into the router via usb overnight with all computers off [08:18] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:18] Justin22885, what router firmware do you use? [08:18] openwrt [08:18] kernel 2.4 or 2.6? [08:19] 2.6 [08:19] that's pretty cool. [08:19] Action: slava_dp 's going to setup openwrt for his router too [08:19] i also have samba set up for file sharing, and ushare for media sharing [08:19] which router do you have? [08:19] d-link dir-320 [08:20] i have a buffalo wzr-hp-g300nh [08:20] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [08:20] 32mb RAM and 64mb flash with a 400mhz CPU [08:21] thats backwards, 32mb flash, 64mb ram [08:21] that's a big box :) [08:21] mine has 4 megs of flash. [08:21] my router was only $80.. great deal [08:22] its a 300mb wireless N router with gigabit LAN as well [08:22] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-145-224.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:22] meh... mine was $50... [08:22] the linksys ones are better [08:22] thats what i went for [08:22] linksys is expensive. [08:22] n+gig [08:23] especially since cisco took over linksys [08:23] including one that does simultaneous 2.4+5ghz [08:23] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [08:24] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-52-241.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:25] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:25] linksys is over priced.. if you want a really good router for a decent price.. get the buffalo i have, the asus RT-N16, or the netgear wnr3500l [08:25] if i never see another Asus motherboard it will be too soon [08:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435130.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:25] linksys is better hardware [08:25] the netgear has 8mb flash 64mb ram, a broadcom processor that has like 480mhz, its wireless N, gigabit ports, and usb [08:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435130.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:26] not really, the netgear i just mentioned uses the same hardware as the linksys do, but costs a lot less [08:26] you may get a lesser quality factory firmware, but when upgrading to openwrt, do you even care? [08:28] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:29] the frigging second i solve the pxe problem.. this asus mobo is deciding it cant be arsed to read its own bios anymore [08:29] it just powers up the fans and jerks itself off [08:30] at least it likes itself [08:30] shit gets deeper ehh? [08:30] reflash it [08:30] do i need some third party application to bind key combinations to start programs ? [08:31] if you're using kde - check the kde settings [08:31] ill check [08:31] thanks [08:31] what do you guys all prefer? kde or gnome? [08:32] KDE for me ! :P [08:32] Justin22885: what do YOU think? (given gnome isnt in slack) [08:32] gnome was officially dropped from slackware around version 11 [08:32] if you like gnome, there's GSB and that other one [08:33] we have kde and fluxbox and blackbox slackers in here [08:33] im not wasting any more time on this POS M2N32 WS Pro.. theyre awful.. im just gonna puth the PSU in a M2N-SLi and i know that will work [08:33] why did slackware drop gnome? [08:33] blatun (~blatun@p4FDD65A5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] too much to maintain [08:33] read the changelog - but basically too much of a movnig target when trying to compile without having to fix the builds [08:33] too hard to compile [08:33] Justin22885, cause gnome is crap [08:33] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:34] im a fan of KDE since Mandrake 10 ! :D [08:34] hi, i tried to build xulrunner, however, configure fails with 'checking for zip... no'.. i wonder, which package provides 'zip' ..gzip, bzip etc. are preinstalled [08:34] well ill install slackware later [08:34] blatun, is zip installed? [08:34] straterra: no i don't think so [08:35] i have to find my USB drive [08:35] then install it [08:35] slackware.com/pb [08:35] i hope slackware is unetbootin friendly [08:36] ah - slackware dropped gnome at 10.2 [08:36] dropping stuff only hurts when it lands on your toe [08:36] dropped a rifle on my toe once.. ouch [08:37] gnome was a zillion of packages, while kde is what, ten? [08:37] well, a few more than that :) [08:37] straterra: i know, btw. the package browser seems to be down. and slackpkg says, bzip2, gzip, rzip, libzip etc. are installed but not infozip-6.0-i486-1 ... [08:37] well ok, twenty:) [08:37] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:37] straterra: but i doubt infozip offers 'zip' [08:37] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:37] infozip is the zip :) [08:38] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) joined ##slackware. [08:38] hm [08:38] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [08:39] ok - just finished installing 64-current as of this latest change [08:39] im putting slackware on my 10.2 inch netbook, not 64 bit for me [08:39] what gotchas (other than blacklist nouveau) would there be with the nvidia v195x drivers? [08:39] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:40] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] I've got slack-current (as of jan08) on my old 32-bit hp laptop and my not-so-old other hp hand-me-down dual core laptop [08:40] i only need one CD for slackware, right? [08:40] install cd 1 - as long as you have net access [08:40] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) joined ##slackware. [08:40] and slackpkg [08:41] or an nfs/http server on the local net [08:41] Justin22885, get the dvd and do a full install. [08:41] disc 1 wont include a GUI? [08:41] not cd [08:41] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [08:41] the dvd yes [08:41] slava, i have a netbook without a CD or DVD drive and only a 2gb flash drive [08:41] aww, you're gonna have trouble on 2 gigs and slackware. [08:42] ok - look at the pxe-and-usb boot directory [08:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [08:42] seriosly, you're going to hand-pick the packages. [08:43] i only have a 2gb flash drive to install from, its going on a 160gb hdd [08:44] oh, FROM [08:44] that's another story [08:44] i have emails that are bigger than 2 gigs [08:44] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:44] i dont get my porn through email mancha :-D [08:44] then get the first three cd's [08:44] mancha: stop emailing that goat pr0n [08:44] Action: mancha stops [08:45] that'll be 2 gigs [08:45] what is included on the first disc? [08:46] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:46] x is on the second, kde is on the third [08:46] has anyone first hand experience upgrading glibc on a live system? [08:46] telinit 1 and have fun? [08:46] with the 1st disk you'll get the shell + base system. [08:47] that sounds like a seriously mismanaged group of discs [08:47] Justin22885, man slackpkg, and install everything else from the net. [08:47] mancha: updating glibc is not scary on a live system. First, upgrade glibc-solibs, then the rest [08:48] is slackpkg included on the first disc? [08:48] the update part doesn't scare me, i'm just wondering on a 1-10 scale how much breakage (and needed re-coimpile) ima have [08:48] absolutely [08:49] slackpkg may be in the n/ series, but have to check [08:49] slackpkg is in ap/ [08:49] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:49] ah [08:50] hmm, this brings a question, on which disk is the n/ series? :) [08:50] I'm trying to find that script that someone (thought it was alien) made to take a repo directory and build cd iso's [08:51] no ext4? [08:51] ys [08:51] alisonken1home: mirror-slackware-current.sh [08:51] yes ext4 - default now [08:51] Action: slava_dp runs ext4 [08:51] alison, pat has a script for that too on the misrrors [08:51] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) joined ##slackware. [08:52] or maybe not, i thought he did [08:55] trying to figure out how to format my partitions for ext4 [08:55] Zordrak, on aien's site at connie? that script looks like it only makes the dvd or cd1 and cd2 [08:55] Justin22885: read the slackbook [08:55] see the topic [08:55] mancha - I've got a mirror from tds.net and couldn't find the cd maker script [08:56] Justin22885, if you're running the install cd, it should ask about formatting when selecting partition layout section [08:56] alisonken1home: i use it to make dvd isos [08:56] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:56] alisonken1home: check the variables at the top of the script [08:57] alisonken1home: see the READMEs in isolinux/ [08:57] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:57] Zordrak, I'm looking for the one that makes the 6 cd's - I already have a dvd maker script [08:57] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] theyre not scripts but essentialy are.. [08:58] Zordrak, quick pm? [08:58] alisonken1home: why do you want 6 CDs? [08:58] alisonken1home: sure [08:58] You will neverneed 4, 5 and 6 [08:58] alienBOB: why do you say that? [08:58] yeah, i got it [08:58] It has sources [08:58] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:58] but never is very long time [08:59] alienBOB: indeed.. and when you need to update svn for example before pat gets around to it.. you need the sources [08:59] alienBOB: or to add slapd to openldap [08:59] alienBOB, there are a couple of machines that only have cd's and no dvd's [08:59] when I need sources I get them from the web [08:59] and historical preference since I changed my subscription to DVD's [09:00] i just need to get my /home partition mounted before installing the system [09:00] the installer will let you do that [09:01] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) joined ##slackware. [09:01] or manually [09:02] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:03] do we usually have fully backwards compat on the c-calls in glibc? [09:03] ie if compiled against glibc x will it work on glibc y, with x had to point slack to /dev/sdb1 for media source [09:06] Axius (~fd@109.97.54.5) joined ##slackware. [09:06] mancha: it's supposed to [09:07] so in theory, if you move to newer libs with the right header match and you don't go backwards ever, you'll be fine [09:07] mancha: as long as you don't compile out support for the old ABI in your new glibc [09:08] b_j_x_ (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:08] as an example, I recently upgraded a machine from glibc 2.3.2 to 2.11.1 with no issues [09:08] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] i am about to make a similar move, primarily want to use some of the new udev stuff and they're really keen on using the latest syscalls [09:10] ive got an idea [09:10] b_j_x_ (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [09:10] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] i could use a gparted liveCD.. shrink my home partition to free up 3-4gb of space, download the slackware DVD, extract it to that partition, then during the slackware install point it to that directory for the installation, rather than to a CD rom, and after im done installing slack i could delete it and reabsorb that space back into my /home partition [09:12] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:12] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [09:12] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [09:13] you may as well have a directory inside the home partition [09:13] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:13] Angeela (Kuantan@41.236.13.140) joined ##slackware. [09:13] blatun (blatun@p4FDD65A5.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [09:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-168-65.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:17] +1 [09:17] yeah... i should do that [09:18] /dev/sda3/slackware or something, right? [09:18] device files do not have subfolders, i am afraid [09:19] ang, so you didn't specify any cutoff? [09:19] but i can set it to a directory within sda3 [09:19] mancha: correct [09:19] ill use an ubuntu liveusb to reformat the drive to ext4, then download the slackware DVD and extract it to a directory within the home partition [09:20] except the natural linux/gnu cutoff i guess [09:21] altho for some reason, the symlinks in /lib did not seem to point to the new version. i had to boot of my second disk, mount the first disk, and fix them manually [09:21] not sure what I did wrong there [09:21] there was the libsafe and threaded stuff that broke that and the maturing of the ELF format a long time ago [09:22] ang, hrmm, did you make the symlinks yourself? [09:23] what i mean is before the "manual" time did you script the symlinks? or did you let makepkg put them in doinst.sh? [09:24] mancha: yeah, if you look in /var/log/scripts/glibc-solibs* at the bottom it has the symlinks that need to be made [09:24] i just made a script out of that and ran it [09:25] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:25] ang, i am not clear how you can ensure 100% compat though, what if you have structure size changes? [09:25] i did use the glibc.SlackBuild script to make my glibc-2.11.1 for alpha, but i'm not sure why the symlinks messed up [09:26] no idea. I think that's the point of the ABI tho. i'm no expert on that :) [09:26] then you need to write wrapper scripts and have the old libs at hand [09:26] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:26] ang, i mean symbol versioning is not always sufficient, right? [09:27] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:27] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:27] goarilla, yes, i guess compat wrappers could work. but this requires work. i.e. it's not a seamless upgrade and everything works kind of deal [09:27] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:28] well there were some milestones where that is the only solution [09:28] yet ang seems to not have faced any issues...are you sure all is well under the hood? [09:28] the loader even has and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL for some of them [09:28] i wouldn't do it tho [09:29] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:29] unless you have a spare machine [09:29] also compiling an old glibc with a new compiler doesn't work [09:29] the issue is probably going to be the amount of static linking you habve [09:29] i would consult LFS for that [09:30] which makes me wonder, didn't -current just undergo a glibc upgrade of a few minors at least? [09:31] huh maybe pat will shed some light on how he does it [09:32] blaines (~blaines@173-23-143-17.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [09:32] mancha: so far, so good [09:33] mancha: if you have doubts, try on a dev system first :) [09:33] you mean a 'testing machine' :D [09:34] or test or uat ... whatever :) [09:34] whatever machine you won't cry about if you F it up :) [09:35] yeah, i'll play on a vm first but at this point i was just interested in discussing with you folks at the theoreticallevel [09:35] i think it's sometimes stupid to have gcc and glibc so intertwined [09:36] bugger. nvidia's current does *not* play with -current [09:36] Zordrak, upgrade to -current and build yourself a 2.6.32. [09:37] lesser (~lesser@117.136.12.69) joined ##slackware. [09:37] don't use it myself, but many others report it compiles fine against 2.6.33 [09:37] Zordrak, I've noticed [09:37] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:37] mancha: i did do this on an alpha, which is running "slackware" ... so my set up may have been a little screwy whcih might have made the symlinks mess up. I did not example the doinst.sh in detail [09:37] which versoin Zordrak ? [09:39] slava_dp: *nod* looking at that as a possibility [09:39] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) joined ##slackware. [09:39] thrice`: 195.36.15 [09:40] i ant to update my box to kde sc 4.4.2 .. but im using a different box to test what woulh happen to vbox and nvidia as i need both [09:40] nvidia is fine in current [09:40] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] 195.36.15 should work fine, without any patching or anything [09:40] hmm [09:41] you just got to blacklist nouveau [09:41] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-142-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [09:41] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.104.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:42] sahk0: blacklist where? [09:42] in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf to prevent it from loading [09:43] sahk0: kk will have a crack at that [09:44] still fails.. fails at insert [09:45] did you recompile it? [09:45] ugh.. fail.. never rmmodded after last [09:45] if it doesn't work, paste "modinfo nvidia" [09:46] no it prolly will.. just gonna reboot first [09:46] once the vbox module finishes [09:47] any out-of-tree module *must* be rebuilt if you change kernel versions - no way around it :> [09:47] thrice`: indeed.. which is whyf im testing these on a test box before i update my production desktop [09:47] oo vbox kernel module seemed to suceed! [09:47] Angeela (Kuantan@41.236.13.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:48] well, downloading the slackware dvd to a partition on my laptop which i used mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda3 to format first so i wont format over the installation files when i mount the partition as /home while installing [09:48] ill be back later.. bye everyone [09:48] good luck :) [09:48] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.180) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:49] dare i ask what the deal is with nouveau? [09:49] the drm in the kernel doesnt work with the current source tree. the api has been changed twice since it was introduced in mainline (afaik) [09:50] for -current people still getting "You have old & broken userspace please consider updating mesa & xf86-video-ati" in dmesg, you just need to update mesa to 7.8 [09:50] current source tree needs 2.6.34 [09:50] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nzcwumuyztgflyrb) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:50] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [09:51] source tree = nouveau source tree [09:51] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ymxrowmaflrvkxfp) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Am1ne (Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:53] bbl [09:54] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.119.171) joined ##slackware. [09:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:00] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.33.171) joined ##slackware. [10:00] blaines (~blaines@173-23-143-17.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:01] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [10:02] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!Ignacio@190.51.33.171: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | Public Channel Logs: http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26 2009 | Torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: seamonkey, openssl, firefox. [10:02] does anyone have any idea how to fix screen flickering on movies and games? I have catalyst 10.3 installed vsync enabled but i still got it ... [10:03] on movies i got screen tearing... 2 damn annoying lines [10:03] col.. nvidia seems good [10:03] *cool [10:04] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.119.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:04] nachox: what changed? [10:04] im aware of that i've got a laptop with nvidia gpu and dont seem to have that problem :) [10:04] Zordrak, security [10:04] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:05] Zordrak, it just that firefox has bugs every week [10:05] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [10:05] k [10:06] nachox: can i try another appeal to sanity to reduce the topic to like one msg and one URL.. with the URL being a page with all the 700 other links on it? [10:06] nachox: BUT ITS THE MOST SECURE BROWSER EVAR [10:06] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [10:06] Zordrak, sorry, no [10:06] straterra, right... i think explorer has less problems these days... [10:07] feeling powerful today nacho? :p [10:07] nachox: It does o.O [10:07] I use Chrome these days though [10:07] i used IE8 for the first time yesterday [10:07] Action: acidchild seems to be enjoying chrome for some weird reason.. [10:07] acidchild, very [10:07] haha :-) excellent. [10:07] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-168-65.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:07] me also. [10:07] gimme a kick nacho! [10:08] straterra: HTML5 and page rendering on chrome is bomb. [10:08] love it. [10:08] Action: slava_dp kicks acidchild [10:08] yay [10:09] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:10] nachox: what network tools will map a network, without being too intrusive and without running on a mirror port/ethertap? [10:10] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:12] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:12] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:13] so you guys see kde 4.4 will be main tree no? [10:13] now [10:13] * [10:14] doubt it [10:14] not until you hear otherwise anyway [10:14] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Zordrak, and pam will be as well [10:14] and we are migrating to upstart [10:14] guax: now you're dreaming [10:14] Zordrak, today, all that is true [10:15] huh? [10:15] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:15] upstart what the hell [10:15] april foo [10:15] trhodes, someone is no leaving in a cave after all [10:15] not* [10:15] living [10:15] shit. =/ [10:15] guax: its 15:14 here.. whichi makes you the fool.. best to stay away from april fools on IRC [10:15] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [10:16] my old hometown is the butt of google's april fool's joke [10:16] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [10:18] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:19] Zordrak, lack of sense of humour is bad. sorry for you. [10:19] guax (guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left ##slackware ("Bye"). [10:19] Zordrak, is that nvidia driver just the video driver, or also the mobo drivers? [10:20] alisonken1home: which what where [10:20] i thought polkit and consolekit inclusion in alienBOBs 4.4.2 packages a april fools prank too. turns out, its not [10:20] I upgraded to -current after the last updates and nvidia latest seems to hose the system even after blacklisting nouveau [10:20] s/a/was an [10:21] alisonken1home: looks ok for me [10:21] 7300GT [10:21] alisonken1home, kernel updated, did you rebuild? [10:21] fresh kernel [10:21] still waiting for the ktown mirror to finish before i can try it on 4.4.2 [10:22] but I also have an nvidia chipset mobo - memory controller, mcp51 bridge,SATA,USB,audio, and GeForce 6200 GPU [10:22] alisonken1home: me too.. bloody asus [10:22] thrice`, no - stock kernel from 64-current [10:22] alisonken1home: fwiw this is 32 not 64 [10:22] alisonken1home, the kernel was updated in "stock" [10:22] Zordrak, Lenovo 64-bit dualcore from about 5 years ago [10:22] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) joined ##slackware. [10:22] if you bumped to 2.6.33.1, you have to rebuild of course [10:24] thrice`, ok - this is 64-current as of monday :) [10:24] alisonken1home: new kernels this morning [10:24] 2.6.33 [10:24] r3n4n (~renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) joined ##slackware. [10:24] I'm noticing - just now running the updated script on my repo [10:25] Zordrak, an the nvidia driver works with the just-updated kernel? [10:25] Action: Zordrak points alisonken1home at his cronned mirror script and Akregator slackware-current rss feeds [10:25] it even works with 2.6.33 [10:25] alisonken1home: seems to [10:26] Zordrak, "modinfo nvidia | grep name" ? [10:26] the 195.36.15 version and up [10:26] just basically done a gresh -current install and thrown nvidia at it after blacklisting nouveau... came up fine [10:26] cool - slackpkg updrade-all coming up shortly then [10:27] thrice`: filename: /lib/modules/2.6.33.1-smp/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko [10:27] oops, I meant alisonken1home [10:27] lol [10:27] heh [10:28] thrice`, don't have the nvida installed yet on this fresh (as of monday) install yet [10:28] jdk-6u19-i586-1.txt with text "... update 18" [10:28] i think i need to start nightly syncs of bobs repos... too often waiting for a d/l [10:29] r3n4n: mail pat [10:29] upgraded monday, installed nvidia and my system woulnd't boot, so did a fresh install monday and haven't finished it up yet [10:30] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:31] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:32] blaines (~blaines@173-23-143-17.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. 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[10:44] ooo.. theres new vbox builds in the approved queue [10:46] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-eutkkvrafdlktupj) left irc: Quit: feeeedddddd [10:51] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Quit: ver skins com a galera [10:51] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.81.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:53] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:53] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:55] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware. [10:58] does Slackware ship with setserial? [10:58] yes [10:59] Zordrak, thanks [10:59] blaines (~blaines@173-23-143-17.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:59] it's from util-linux-ng if you need it or something [11:00] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [11:01] I just needed to add my touchscreen to /etc/serial.conf. All working now =] [11:01] does slackware ship with an onscreen keyboard? [11:01] oo get you mr. lah-de-dah ;) [11:01] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-237.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:01] hmmm - nvidia is saying there's a v197 driver out somewhere. possibly beta or MS, not sure which yet [11:02] ##slackware: mode change '-o nachox' by nachox!~Ignacio@190.51.33.171 [11:02] ron1n: wouldnt be surprised if kde has one [11:02] ron1n, that would be "does KDE have an onscreen keyboard" :) [11:02] charmap is a sucky workaround [11:02] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:02] Zordrak, no way this Celeron machine is running KDE4 [11:02] haha [11:02] slave (~root@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:03] I'm using fluxbox [11:03] doesnt have to run kde to have a kde tool installed and usable [11:03] has anyone ever had an issue where only one application will play sound at a time? [11:03] hmm true, but I also want to replace KDE4 with KDE3 and thus would cause more configuration later. [11:03] pah [11:04] slave, yeah. that's pretty common [11:04] slave, this may help, or make your problem worse, but try using aoss YMMV [11:04] trhodes: oh great, thought it was just me. Google search isn't much help. [11:05] ron1n: well... im wondering if it has to do with USB speakers? [11:05] what does "lsof /dev/snd/* " tell you when you only have sound from one application at a time ? [11:05] Slave, it could. Usually it has to do with the driver for your dsp [11:05] (as root) [11:06] ffs [11:06] gzip wont do a 2.3G tar file on solaris [11:06] well it always tells me the sound device is in use [11:06] slave, what does that command tell you though ? [11:06] i'm asking because the specific application matters [11:07] trhodes: it has 2, knotify4, kmix [11:07] for /dev/snd/controlC0 [11:07] ok [11:08] what application(s) are you using that cause the problem ? firefox ? [11:08] any application will work, its when I try to use two at once. Such as youtube and mplayer [11:08] only one will have sond [11:08] ok, so firefox ? [11:09] what ron1n said might apply here; 'FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" firefox ' might help [11:09] well not necessarily. lets say im watching youtube and try to watch a movie in mplayer. The sound will not work in mplayer until I close firefox. then it works [11:10] also, mplayer -ao alsa [11:10] ubunti is the best linux distribution.. ok do i really have to say it? april fools. [11:10] guess 4.4.2 will just have to wait until tuesday... i havent finished pulling 4.4.0 yet let alone 4.4.2 [11:10] like I said its not application specific [11:10] right ^^ try telling firefox to use an alsa wraper for dsp [11:10] *wrapper [11:10] but still... 4 day weekend!! [11:11] and try mplayer -ao alsa as well [11:11] 11 day for me :) [11:11] nice [11:11] ok so do I have to do this for every application that I use then? force it to say use alsa? [11:11] I never used to have these problems [11:11] start with just firefox [11:12] what changed ? did you upgrade recently ? [11:13] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:14] trhodes: well its a new box.. so it had been doing this since the start. but on my other machine it works perfect [11:14] trhodes: ill try some of what you said when i get home, at work right now :/ [11:14] trhodes: thanks for the help [11:14] ok, i think it';s likely just firefox's fault [11:14] you're welcome [11:16] how would I go about installing one of the new kernel packages in patches/? Is it just upgradepkg * and it will handle the rest? [11:16] Do I need to worry about simlinking or lilo? [11:18] deps what kernel you use [11:18] do you use the huge, generic, or your own custem? [11:18] *custom [11:18] hugesmp at the moment, but I'd like to move to generic soon. This machine is quite dated and has no use for smp. [11:19] if huge.. just upgradepkg [11:19] if generic, upgradepkg then run mkinitrd again [11:19] if custom.. you ought to know already :) [11:19] DareDevil (~linux@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:19] No custom kernel yet =P [11:19] monolux (~trem@95.169.46.228) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:19] ron1n: youve not been paying enough attention to my blog then :) [11:20] Link? [11:20] I are interested now. [11:20] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/ [11:21] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ :: Utterly simple 10-step guide to your own custom kernel free of an initrd, with your own processor optimisations and the ability to take out any bloaty crap you dont need [11:21] awesome, this is just what I was looking for with 256MB ram. [11:21] trhodes: someone's been paying attention :) [11:21] :P nice blog [11:21] ron1n: indeedily [11:22] ron1n: my new backup server on Slackware64-13.0 was using 42MB RAM after boot [11:22] wow, thats impressive. [11:23] the kernel was stripped of everything that wasnt necessary.. including alsa [11:23] well, ALSA certainly isn't necessary for most applications. [11:24] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/02/18/beauty-thy-name-is-slackware/ [11:24] Zordrak: fwiw rworkman suggested an alternate path for nouveau the other day which might be easier to maintain, with the same results. adding 'blacklist nouveau' to a custom /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau.conf [11:24] I think once I make the move to a IDE-CF adapter I'll make the move to a completely modular kernel. [11:24] sahk0: indeed.. thats how fedora did it i think [11:24] That should speed things up significantly. [11:25] ron1n: nononononononono [11:25] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Zordrak, modules evil? [11:25] ron1n: build-IN the code you need, dont bother building the rest [11:25] I see [11:26] it does save (page size)/s ram per module from what I read [11:26] page size /2 [11:26] bottom line: whether you build it in or as a module.. if you need it to be loaded the whole time.. itll use the same RAM.. you might as well put it into the kernel itself [11:26] then its up to you what optional modules you leave for adding/removing later on [11:27] some people ONLY build in the stuff thats needed at boot time... but its just wasted cause as soon as boot is over the modules all get loaded anyway [11:27] hmm I see. It's going to end up in RAM anyway. If I don't need it why build it. [11:28] you could leave out tun for example and build as a module, then load it to start an openvpn session and unload it after.. but most modules just go in after boot and come out at shutdown [11:29] any modules you build that you dont use just make your compile take longer [11:29] personally im used to 5min compiles instead of 35 [11:29] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:29] Yeah. I'll end up modprobing things that won't come out of ram until the next reboot [11:29] Makes a lot of sense [11:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:30] if you later find you DID need a module you left out.. go back to source, add it to the config, run make modules/make modules_install and it will only build the extras you added and be done in moments [11:30] lesser (~lesser@117.136.12.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:31] I see. [11:31] YuriAlberto0 (~Yuri@190.245.148.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Well, thanks for your insight. Your blogs in my bookmarks and I'll take a look when the time comes to optimize this machine further. [11:32] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [11:32] ron1n: in any case the guide on the blog walks you through making a kernel thats identical to Pat's generic, but with no initrd and every boot time module built in... once youve got used to the custom compile process you can then extend yourself by starting to strip out stuff you dont want [11:32] slave (~root@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:32] hola a todos. [11:32] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:33] and on that note.. im off to start my 4 day weekend. TTFN [11:33] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:33] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:33] Zordrak, have a great weekend dude! [11:34] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [11:36] does anyone know how i should mount the Mac OS X Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD with linux? it automounts a volume on the DVD called "Windows Support", which isn't what you see from OS X. [11:37] zaltekk, pastebin fdisk -l /dev/cdrom [11:37] i tried with mount -t hfs, but it refused [11:37] ron1n: oh, the dvd can be partitioned? [11:37] zaltekk, I'm pretty sure thats how it works. [11:37] Disk /dev/sr0 doesn't contain a valid partition table [11:37] damn, nevermind then [11:37] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] hfs and hfsplus don't work. isn't that the mac filesystem? [11:38] zaltekk, yupp [11:38] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:38] Linux has support for reading both as well, I'm not sure if slackware does, but I don't see why it wouldn't [11:38] You could try seeing if there is any useful info in dmesg after inserting the disc [11:39] ron1n: it has errors recognizing it at an hfs filesystem. when i let mount decide the filesystem type on its own, it mounts the windows compat thing still [11:39] zaltekk, it would because thats what it would see's first. The boot camp stuff [11:40] I have a snow leopard backup laying around, let me see if I can mount the OS X stuff and I'll see what I find. [11:43] ron1n: i wanted to make an image of the disk, so i guess dd would still work. [11:43] google leads me to believe that mount -t hfsplus should work, but it doesn't [11:43] zaltekk, It isn't working for me either. [11:43] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Since I bought OS X and own the dvd, I felt no remorse going to the green demon for my backup. [11:44] dd should work as well though [11:44] it is my roommates disk. i was planning on making a copy and installing it in a vm later to play with it [11:45] but now it is bothering me that i can't mount it properly [11:46] zaltekk, dd should be able to take care of imaging the disk in its entirety, no doubt there. [11:47] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:48] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-168-65.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:52] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-178-65.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:54] If I copied my hard drive to a memory stick and made the stick bootable, would slackware boot from it? I've been googling and I can't find a discussion about it. It would be a useful thing to do. [11:54] boot loader + fstab [11:55] make sure the paths are ok (especially /dev/hdX vs. /dev/sdX) [11:55] johnbristol, also beware of running your flash memory into the ground. [11:55] those things have a finite number of reads/writes [11:56] I'd add noatime into fstab [11:56] Camarade_Tux, I expect I'd have to adjust xorg.conf too. And yes ron1n but it's not for daily use, just for occasional forays outdoors. [11:56] ron1n, unlimited reads - limited writes [11:57] alisonken1home is right =P [12:00] DareDevil (~linux@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:03] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [12:05] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:06] jim_james (~swwww@212.183.140.33) joined ##slackware. [12:07] to mail a user on a standalone machine like mailing reports to root do it need sendmail running ? [12:09] well, if it's on the same machine, you can create a python script if you know how maildir works - otherwise yes [12:09] ive sending mail to root from user but it doesnt work [12:09] however, postfix or a couple of other mta's would probably be easier to setup [12:10] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:10] with pine [12:11] ok ill have a look at postfix ..i only need it for mail reports to root [12:11] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:12] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:12] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:12] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-168-65.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:12] [stat1c] (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:22] hi nayone have idea on my problem---> what happened is during boot up it force scanned the vol001 then found inconsistency then it says- to do manually repir fsck., my server is not usable now, im on the maintenace console drop here automatically [12:22] Emeau-cat (~Emeau-cat@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:23] try running fsck on it :) [12:23] adamk_ (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [12:23] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:24] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:26] DareDevil (~linux@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:27] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:28] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:28] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-168-65.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:29] thrice`: what would be my full command..? [12:29] fsck /dev/ [12:30] thrice`:im using a sata drive , how do i cehck my root partition.. [12:31] sorry, you'd benefit more from research than hand-holding [12:31] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:31] thrice`, hold mine [12:31] damn internet.. dunno why it keeps cutting out [12:32] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [12:33] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [12:35] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [12:36] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [12:37] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:37] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:40] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) joined ##slackware. [12:45] ruben23, look at /etc/rc.d/rc.S and see how slackware checks the root partition on startup [12:46] otherwise, figure out which is your root partition, boot from a maintenance CD/DVD and check from that [12:46] either way - the partition cannot be mounted as r/w if you want to fix it [12:46] and root partition is definitely along the lines of "don't check ilve!!!!" [12:46] live [12:47] alisonken1home: i ahve run fsck on the maintenance console now [12:52] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:52] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] im back everyone [12:55] extracting the slackware ISO to /mnt/slackware which will become /slackware when i mount /dev/sda3 as my /home partition while installing slackware, so i can install slackware from a harddrive [12:58] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:59] aperturefever (20164@ninthfloor.org) joined ##slackware. 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[13:12] Justin22885, personally, I have a separate /home partition and a separate /home2 drive/partition I prefer saving to [13:13] then I use rsync-slack.sh script I wrote to sync to repo [13:13] me too, to /home/ftp/ :> [13:13] well, I have a separate server at the office for that :) [13:14] it carries slackware from v8.1-current (both 32-bit and 64-bit) [13:14] v8.1 to -current [13:14] this is just for installing alison [13:14] I only keep 64-current on the home machine [13:14] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:14] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.1) joined ##slackware. [13:15] im installing slack to a netbook and only have a 2gb flash drive, so im going to put the first CD onto the flash drive using unetbootin then during the install point it towards a directory on /dev/sda3 for the installation files [13:15] I'm getting ready to do a slackpkg upgrade-all from the home repo as soon as it finishes rsync [13:15] anyone tell me why i get this error ...configure: error: cannot link to glib-2.0 [13:15] for that - I setup a local http server that I point slackpkg to after cd1 install [13:16] jim_james, which version? [13:16] 13 only thing ive upgraded is pidgin [13:16] Justin22885: you could skip installing x, xap and kde, and install them later on [13:16] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:16] that way, you have less than 2GB of packages iirc [13:16] it's basically a fresh install [13:16] jim_james, and you're trying to compile what? [13:17] botsentry [13:17] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:17] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16920.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:18] jim_james, 13.0 ? what's the full url for the slackpkg mirror you're using? [13:18] hold on ill paste it [13:18] or where did you get pidgin from (full url) [13:18] ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ [13:19] the mirror is for current [13:20] jim_james, unless you're running -current, there's been changes to libs as well as packages, so that won't work [13:20] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:20] and yesterday was a whole bunch more updates to -current [13:20] so i need a full upgrade [13:21] depends :) what do you want, exactly? [13:21] and there's also been some major changes to other things as well - like /dev/hd? have been changed to /dev/sd? [13:21] how to solve that error [13:21] so it's not as easy to upgrade to -current from 13.0 [13:21] Do I need to run lilo(8) after running mkinitrd(8) ? [13:22] if available, d/l the -current dvd and do a fresh install [13:22] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Mel-nix, yes - lilo needs to update it's boot loader to include the new intird [13:22] how you do that alisonken1home ? [13:22] jim_james, do you have /home mounted on a separate partition? [13:22] or where do i d/load the iso [13:23] no i dont [13:23] hmm - how much stuff do you have in /home that you can't live without? [13:23] and how big is your drive? [13:23] only 40 gig [13:24] well, I would make a 12G root (/) partition, a 2G swap partition, and the rest as /home [13:25] 2g swap i only have 256 mem [13:25] actually, I would do (1G) /boot, (10G) /, (2G) swap, rest /home [13:25] well, you may have some issues if you're trying to run a full install with X then [13:26] on current [13:26] i dont bother with kde anymore it runs too slow now for me [13:26] fluxbox or xfce [13:26] 1G /boot? wtf??? [13:27] thrice`, you haven't seen my chats the last couple of months, have you? :) [13:27] ok, putting disc 1 of slack onto unetbootin, then ill point the installer at the directory i just mentioned [13:27] why on earth would you want more than a couple hundred megs for /boot? [13:28] thrice`, because I use /boot to keep stuff around - like some local rc scripts and openvpn stuff so I don't have to remember how to reconnect to the office network [13:28] among other things [13:28] and, why is /boot the right place for that? [13:28] AND, why would that be your recommendation to a tpyical user? [13:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:29] who has maybe 40mb in /boot at most [13:29] ill do 1 gig swap, 20gb /, and the rest (about 140gb) as /home [13:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:29] habit from installing on some older machines that may still have the bios boot partition limitations [13:30] ok, so you recommend it to otheres, because you have some strange habit? :> [13:30] john_dee (~id@93-81-71-130.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:30] alisonken1home: But do I need to run it every time after running mkinitrd, or only the first time when switching from `huge' to generic kernel? [13:31] in most cases, a separate /boot is pretty useless. in the event you do need one, 200mb or so should be plenty [13:31] Mel-nix, anytime you change kernels or mkinitrd's you need to rerun lilo [13:31] remember - lilo is not grub [13:31] thrice`, well, I think it's still a good idea so some of those configure files can be saved from a reformat [13:32] which configure files? [13:32] the kernel configs come from a package, and get installed there with the package [13:32] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:33] alisonken1home: Sorry. I am already using the generic kernel. So if I make some changes to the initrd, do I need to run lilo again? [13:33] thrice`, one example is slackpkg configure files - others might be sbopkg [13:33] slackpkg uses /boot? [13:33] Mel-nix, as noted - if you change kernels or initrd's - you still need to rerun lilo [13:34] alisonken1home: All right. Thanks. [13:34] thrice`, "tar -czvf /boot/saved-configs.tgz ./etc/slackpkg ./etc/sbopkg ..." [13:34] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] seriously, storing configs in /boot is retarded! [13:34] thrice`, look again and what I said about having a rather large /boot partition [13:35] yes, but the argument of "it's a place to store files and scripts" is completely silly [13:35] this way you can format your root partition and have a clean install while still maintaining some semblance of remembering how you set things up before [13:35] /boot should contain things to boot the system, nothing more [13:35] not your grocery and christmas lists [13:37] I just disagree with recommending large /boot partitions, simply because you personally use it incorrectly. see what hier(7) says too :) [13:39] thrice`, well, it's not *buntu or RH, so to each their own [13:39] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host217-42-253-227.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] JonnyV (~jonny@190.31.65.197) joined ##slackware. [13:39] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:39] I'm familiar with hier - I've also been to the standards website for many years watching it [13:39] it doesn't say how to partition, only the directory structure [13:39] if you have configs that you want to save, use ~/backups or something [13:40] except I don't have a separate /root user partition [13:40] I meant /hom [13:40] e [13:40] anyway, it's too nice out to be arguing on the internet. enjoy :) [13:42] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:42] hello [13:44] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [13:44] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:44] greetings [13:44] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:46] The-Croupier (ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [13:46] yo [13:48] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:48] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [13:49] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Client Quit [13:49] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:52] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:53] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.70) joined ##slackware. [13:55] i should announce this worked beautifully for getting a full slackware install only having a small flash drive to work with [13:56] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Justin22885: no PXE option? [13:57] no idea what that is [13:57] network booting - like dhcp but also booting the kernel from a remote server [13:57] ooh that sounds nice [13:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preboot_Execution_Environment [13:59] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-145-224.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:02] this was more fun.. used unetbootin to put ubuntu live onto the usb drive, mounted /dev/sda3, mkdir /slack, then download the slack dvd iso, extracted the iso to /mnt/slack, then put the slack disc 1 iso onto the usb drive, and during setup pointed it to /dev/sda3 directory /slack for the dvd installation files :D [14:02] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-178-65.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [14:04] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [14:06] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:08] Mick_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:08] ok - time to test out the new 64-current [14:08] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:09] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:12] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:12] Nick change: iAVOR -> asdlkajsdk [14:13] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [14:13] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:14] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-227-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:15] alisonken1home? [14:15] Nick change: asdlkajsdk -> iAVOR [14:18] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:21] mac-: still pressing buttons for your xlock? [14:23] Justin22885: ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_PXE.TXT [14:23] ron1n (~ron1n@70.44.172.13.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:24] ang, slack is already installing right now [14:24] heh [14:24] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [14:24] im just installing from a directory on my hard drive [14:24] jg71: sure, any time you want [14:25] ;p [14:26] hmm... i have a lilo error [14:33] man i heard of a great racket recently.... [14:34] april fools crapola ? [14:34] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ymxrowmaflrvkxfp) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:34] no, honest-to-goodness [14:35] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:35] if I see any alias jokes today, im gonna use my hammer to soften the person head [14:37] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:39] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nssrtkvgulcuaghf) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Action: sahk0 thought samurai's had swords, not hammers [14:43] most actually used naginatas in combat, not swords [14:44] yeah maybe. im a pirates fan. lazy bums who drink rum and loot all over the place [14:45] hi guys i have an existing tftp server on my linux server, with an ubuntu-image, how do i add up windows image on it like win 7 so i can install windows 7 on network..and make it worked.. [14:45] oh wait that pirates vs ninjas [14:45] not samurais [14:45] anyway.. [14:45] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:45] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:46] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [14:46] sahk0 , doesnt know how bad the economy has gotten for samurai's these days [14:47] i've seen some samurai working at mcdonalds using their swords to chop lettuce and flip patties [14:49] aperturefever (20164@ninthfloor.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:50] i heard they're also singing at bar mitvahs [14:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [14:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:52] o we leally good singels [14:52] jleeperry (~jeeperry@host-72-174-92-176.grf-mt.client.bresnan.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] jleeperry (jeeperry@host-72-174-92-176.grf-mt.client.bresnan.net) left ##slackware. [14:54] any suggestion [14:54] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:55] jleeperry (~jeeperry@host-72-174-92-176.grf-mt.client.bresnan.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. 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[15:36] you must precompile the wl.ko module [15:38] Pabl0Escobar (Pabl0Esco@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [15:40] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:40] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:42] precompile? [15:42] yes [15:45] not sure what that means.. but when i insmod wl.ko, it says "invalid module format" [15:45] that means that wl.ko is compiled against the wrong kernel [15:45] you've changed kernel or something [15:46] it's "recompile" not "precompile" [15:47] im still using 2.6.29.6 kernel [15:48] trhodes: thanks for correcting this [15:48] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:48] no problem :) i saw that usage last time, so I figured I'd be blunt about it :P [15:51] alienBOB: ping [15:56] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:58] how does one recompile the kernel? [15:59] alienBOB: you might want to mention the fact that you can't really startx into kde 4.4.2 using your packages without ck-launch-session [15:59] In the README, that is [16:03] NaCl: [16:03] Did you try running startx? [16:04] no, I did not. [16:04] Action: NaCl does [16:04] I think you are still running an earlier "test" version of kdebase-workspace, before I made my packages public I rebuilt it [16:05] Last line of /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrx.kde runs "ck-launch-session startkde" ... [16:05] No, I just was using KDM and just made (incorrect) assumptions. [16:05] Action: NaCl needs to stop donig that [16:06] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:08] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] alienBOB: pkexec is failing on me. let me see if it is my fault... [16:09] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:10] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.33.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:12] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [16:13] kernel.org! [16:13] lmao [16:14] Action: NyteOwl wonders why everyone thinks that's so funny [16:15] NaCl: in what way, failing? [16:16] the auth agent isn't being started. [16:16] Action: xsamurai wonders whats the point of all this April fools idiocy, takes off his underwear and runs screaming into the night 'the redcoats are coming' [16:17] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:17] alienBOB: ck-launch-session doesn't appear to be placating ck [16:18] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:19] xsamurai: it helps identify the fools (the ones perpetrating the idiotic jokes/pranks) whio might otherwise go undetected [16:19] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [16:22] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [16:23] NaCl: strange, it works here [16:23] What does not work for you? [16:23] pkexec [16:23] I just ran ck-launch-session in the console, then ran startx, now it is happy [16:24] NaCl, did you try starting kde directly with it? [16:24] ck-launch-session startkde or so [16:24] that's what is done in the xinitrc.kde [16:26] alienBOB: ah-ha [16:26] Action: NaCl rm's ~/.xinitrc [16:27] Hehe [16:27] Good one for the README, that [16:28] yup, that fixed it [16:29] what is ck-launch-session for? [16:29] it "logs in" with consolekit [16:30] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] ah yes, fdesktop was moving towards ConsoleKit. what in slackware uses that now? [16:30] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] nothing [16:30] Slackware has managed to avoid *kit altogether [16:30] PAM too. [16:30] for now [16:30] ^ the kits [16:31] Yeah, that won't last long I don't think. KDE is starting to use the kits (ie: knetworkmanager). [16:31] or maybe continuing - I don't really know if they used the kits in 3.x or earlier 4.x at all. [16:31] I don't think they did [16:34] They did not require any Kit until 4.4.0 I think [16:35] lol i wonder if pat will switch to something else, like LXDE if PAM and the *kits are used by KDE/GNOME [16:36] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:37] hey.. i rebuilt the kernal.. stuff works now :-D [16:37] hcfd (~fed@host86-164-28-254.range86-164.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:37] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:38] Necos: doesn't sue GNOME now (which sues PAM) [16:38] s/sue/use/ [16:38] sue sounds about right [16:38] lol [16:38] hehehe [16:38] Action: NyteOwl prefers GNOME actually [16:39] NyteOwl, i know gnome uses pam... if kde requires pam or *kit, then what ya gonna do? [16:39] Necos: XFCE [16:39] xfce is going the polkit route too, of course [16:39] xfce, lxde, etc...? [16:39] text console! [16:40] then people will bitch "why slack no haz kde!?" [16:40] yup [16:40] Necos: afaik, some *kits require or at least recommend PAM [16:40] PolicyKit recommends I think. [16:40] yucky [16:40] i cant seem how to figure out how to connect to my wifi network though, but the drivers are installed [16:40] eviljames: both policykit and polkit-1 don't need pam. [16:40] The latter when patched [16:41] NaCl: ah, thanks. [16:41] what's the diff between policykit and polkit? [16:41] but now slack is forced to maintain a big patch to make it pam-less, and upstream seemed to have ignored it? [16:41] (twice) [16:41] polkit-1 is newer, and not backwards compatible with policykit [16:41] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [16:41] thrice`: i'll be maintaining it [16:42] then there's nothing to worry about :) [16:42] until I don't have any mor etime [16:43] who knows when that will be. [16:43] And the maintainer has acknowledged its existence. Hopefully, it will get included sooner rather than later [16:44] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] hmmmm [16:45] So far, Slackware does not have polkit-1 remember. It is only available as an unofficial add-on [16:45] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [16:46] And I am going to keep putting pressure on David Zeuthen into applying the patch to polkit-1 [16:46] so that it can be used as part of slackware officially? [16:47] I've been tempted to do do the PAM thing to get my fingerprint reader working on the laptop... but just can't be arsed to spend the time on it.. [16:49] why not put pressure on pat to include pam, instead [16:50] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [16:50] Action: Necos sighs [16:50] not gonna fan that flame [16:50] if 4,239 distribs use PAM and 1 doesn't. Does it make sense to pressure polkit-1 to use shadow or slackware to use PAM? April 1st musings of the illogical mancha... [16:51] 4,239 distribs sucks goat balls [16:51] hence i dont use them [16:52] mancha, Slackware will roll its own course [16:52] just because the majority does it, doesn't mean it's right... but, considering i don't know the security merits on pam [16:52] but it seems inevitable Mr. Anderson that sooner or later we'll have to use it, as for now i don't use kde so i dont care [16:52] roll roll roll the ball err boat [16:52] just because lemmings walk over a cliff doens't mean we have to either :) [16:53] lemmings have a distinct lack of respect for chickens. [16:53] PAM, not PAM, it is all irrelevant. What is relevant though, is the external pressure to make forced moves. And *that* I do not like at all [16:53] alison, but here you're asking the cliff to move [16:53] i've never seen female lemmings [16:53] Action: jg71 goes back into the shadows [16:53] hahahaha [16:53] like smurfs, the have a chick [16:53] alienbob, are you on kernel 2.6? [16:53] *they [16:53] alienBOB, good point [16:54] ok, one more... if you choke a smurf, what colour does it turn, xsamurai ? [16:54] mancha: my server runs a 2.4 kernel [16:54] mancha, actually, we're just asking to NOT be a lemming :) [16:54] jg71: purple [16:54] thats obvious [16:54] kk [16:55] Action: jg71 saves the smurf sex reference for another day then [16:55] i see the pam problem just like hal , its gonna happen later down the line [16:55] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) joined ##slackware. [16:55] if pat's going to go the pam route, i rather him take his time [16:55] i think the forced move argument sounds good but is really not too strong. slackware now officially resists pam on some kind of mix of philosophy with "i'm a cowboy i will not be controlled". point is, slakcare doesn't have to use the new kde, innit? [16:56] r3n4n (~renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:56] mancha, and maybe pat will drop kde like it dropped gnome [16:56] there are other desktop envs besides the big two [16:57] mancha: for those that want new kde features they can help themselves to pam goodness, for the rest of us we dont need to be forced to have an extra authentication system for something we dont use [16:57] Necos, right because dropping tools that are popular makes a whole lot more sense than adding pam authentication? [16:57] *geez* do you even believe the nonsense yousay? [16:57] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-168-65.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:57] Action: xsamurai puts on a lampshade and prances around the room, it all makes sense [16:59] Action: adaptr takes pictures [16:59] expect them on 4chan tomorrow [16:59] not youtube =( [16:59] mancha, yes, i do believe what i'm talking about... people liked using slack with gnome, but pat dropped it anyway [16:59] and people STILL use slack regardless, with things like GSB [16:59] i think patching polkit-1 to use shadow is great, don't get me wrong. and if slack uses it so be it. just seems to me, having used pam a lot on other systems, that pam isn't bad. in fact i quite like it. i just odn't see the resistance to it. [16:59] Slackware is greater than the sum of its parts, of course. [17:00] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:01] Justin22885 (~Justin228@cpe-69-207-52-108.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] mancha: yes that point is agreed upon but like I said it will happen later down the line [17:01] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:01] whatever route pat decides to take on an issue, people will fill the gaps [17:01] mancha: At least at one point in time Pat had said that PAM is a security hazard, and more trouble than it is worth. [17:01] Maybe not in so many words... [17:02] in a few more actually :P [17:02] but i can never find the exact quoting of his statement [17:02] that's ancient history [17:02] it's like saying we should not have sendmail due to lacking privelege separation, oh wait we do have sendmail [17:02] :) [17:03] what does pam stand for anyways ? [17:03] pluggable auth module [17:03] pluggable auth module [17:03] good thing sendmail isn't a required component :) [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-237.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] Action: xsamurai hated configuring sendmail with a passion [17:03] good thing pat decided to turn a blind eye towards his AHTE for anything security vulnerable! [17:04] and HATE [17:05] does anything link against sendmail? [17:05] xsamurai: everybody hates configuring sendmail with a passion :P [17:06] hah, your argument is going to be one criteria for things that get linked against and another for stand-alones? [17:06] do you even have any 1st hand experience with PAM, or simply speak badly about it cause you think it's what a slackware user is supposed to do? [17:06] Who are you even talking to? [17:07] Necos [17:07] me, ej [17:07] the guy with the hat [17:07] oh hahah I just saw a lot of nerd rage on my screen, but not really pointed anywhere [17:07] heaumer_ (~heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] seems he thinks that if he doesn't tear PAM a new a-hole, the slackware police will go to his house and take away his slackware membership card :) [17:07] no, actually, i don't care mancha... [17:08] what i DO care about is if pat's going to change something fundamental to the operation of Slackware, he better do it right [17:08] Action: alienBOB uses and has used PAM based systems for 10 years. Also uses sendmail rather than postfix - the days of a vulnerable sendmail are long gone [17:08] and if he takes his time making that happen, then i'm all for it [17:08] ok, i agree with "doing things right" is better than "doing things wrong" [17:08] is there any default/specific place to find out more about a compilation apart from make[1]: leaving directory 'path' [17:08] mancha: you should really see the slackware police they wear the cutest little shorts and have bendable batons [17:08] is this the general concept you're arguing? cause if so, i agree. [17:09] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] mancha, yes... that's been my argument all along [17:09] heaumer (~heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:09] what i'd been saying to you all this time is my opinion as to WHY it's taking pat so long to do something about it [17:10] alienBOB: you need to speak klingon to go through sendmail configs [17:10] It is taking pat not long at all. He is not even considering it at the moment [17:10] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: going [17:10] xsamurai: absolutely untrue [17:10] sendmail configs are quite nice once you grok them. with or without piping through m4 [17:11] Edit a .mc file and run it through m4... only a few lines to edit [17:12] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:12] well, alienBOB, if he feels there are more important things to deal with... [17:12] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[17:25] adaptr: sorry was thinking of debian [17:25] `man bash` explains .bash_profile/.bashrc/etc [17:25] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] (See INVOCATION) [17:26] man bash++ # best huge-ass man page ever [17:26] lol [17:26] 'Tis why searching man pages is an essential function. :D [17:26] blaines (~blaines@113.sub-75-254-197.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:27] no way in hell i'd read the bash manpage in a term tho... [17:28] I do. I have vim acting as a pager. Easy enough [17:28] i prefer the html converted ones [17:28] Meh full colour + vim bindings in a terminal...close enough [17:28] T3slider: do tables in man pages come out with ragged right edges when you do that? [17:29] Urchlay: there are no artifacts with the vim pager I'm using but it must be setup properly. There's a script on the vim site that I use as an alias for less [17:29] i dont use vim, so,,, [17:29] http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1723 [17:30] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: RAH [17:30] hm, that might be the same script I'm using [17:31] Hm, I have no ragged right edge as far as I can tell [17:31] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-89-216-229-191.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [17:31] well that sucks [17:31] eh? [17:31] Necos: most. colors and EVERYTHING [17:31] it's specifically tables with boxes around them (which don't appear in many man pages) that have a problem, the line on the right edge is all messed up [17:31] the lenovo desktop I have doesn't like a soft reboot - requires a hard reboot [17:31] Urchlay: do you have an example man page? [17:31] ewww [17:31] trying to remember now [17:31] i am sorry still lost, why slackware does not have /etc/bashrc what does it use instead of this? [17:32] Slackware sources nothing AFAIK on non-login terminals. Login terminals source /etc/profile [17:32] DareDevil0: create one if you want. or just use /etc/profile[.d/*] [17:32] adaptr: if i create one is going to be used by the system or do i have to make another change? [17:33] yes, you have to source it in /etc/profile, as T3slider told you [17:33] T3slider: argh. I noticed this like a month ago, basically shrugged and went "oh well". Now I can't remember... [17:34] aw well [17:34] tables without boxes around them, are fine [17:34] (which is pretty much the standard for man pages) [17:34] ok [17:35] Check `man mysql` down pretty far there's a table [17:35] That what you mean? Looks fine on mine but maybe we're thinking of different things [17:36] T3slider: How did you set up to use vim as a man-page pager? [17:37] well, I found one anomaly: "man papd", look at the table after "The following options are supported"... when I use /usr/bin/man, the table headings are lined up, but not in vim... [17:37] By default man uses `less` as a pager. I just have less aliased to ~/.bin/vimpager [17:38] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] and what is vimpager? ordinary vim? [17:38] OK, the mysql man page has the table with prompt command strings (\o, \P, etc), has a box around it, and the right side is messed up, like I was talking abouit [17:39] It's not messed up on mine. Maybe grab an updated version of the script if you can? The vimpager script tries to convert the manpage babble into something vim can understand...don't know why it wouldn't work for you [17:39] but, eh, I didn't use the PAGER variable when I set this up. I used a bash function that runs 'vim +"Man $1"' [17:40] shini|whit|code (~Codenomic@unaffiliated/codenomics) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Ah, that could be it. My PAGER is set to ~/.bin/vimpager, good point [17:40] shini|whit|code (Codenomic@unaffiliated/codenomics) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:40] hmmm, this ain't vimpager at all, it's a filetype plugin called "man.vim", by Nam SungHyun [17:40] lol [17:40] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-89-216-229-191.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:41] so, eh, I'm doing something completely different, no wonder we get different results [17:41] The easy way is to use the vimpager script and if you just want it for man pages alias man to "PAGER=/path/to/vimpager man" [17:41] yeah [17:41] hey, i use vimpager too [17:41] I would assume that would be simple enough [17:41] really? doesn't the man command support a MANPAGER variable? [17:41] I have no idea. :D [17:42] i think it does [17:42] It does indeed [17:42] As well as a command-line override [17:42] i don't think vimpager opens files like less, when the input is large [17:42] vimpager is noticably slower [17:43] It depends. I have noticed it slower sometimes but other times I've opened files with 90,000 lines and once it's loaded it's fine (and that was gather output from shell commands so I guess the difference is it won't display anything until it's totally loaded, unlike less) [17:43] agh, vimpager exits if you hit Space at the bottom, like old Solaris "more" [17:43] otherwise, it's working beatifully so far [17:44] lol it does, never noticed. I always use Ctrl+D/Ctrl+U. Habit [17:44] I always use the spacebar becase it's a huge target and my thumb's already sitting on top of it [17:44] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:44] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:45] anyway I'll fix it to work how I want [17:46] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [17:47] Mushr00m (~Mushroom@189.17.54.83) left irc: Quit: Saindo [17:47] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-89-216-229-191.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [17:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-15-21.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:50] yep, change the "quit" in the NextPage() function in less.vim to a "return", now it just hangs around at the bottom of the file like I want it to [17:50] damn, lol... gotta love /. for april fools laughs [17:51] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:51] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nssrtkvgulcuaghf) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:52] T3slider: thanks for that, it's a cleaner solution than I was using before (for one thing, with vimpager I can "man 2 open" and it works properly) [17:52] :) [17:53] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [17:53] King_Ozzy (King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left ##slackware. [17:54] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [17:55] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:09] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@95.69.85.130) joined ##slackware. [18:09] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:11] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CEC92.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] when i enable my micrphone using alsamixer i am able to hear the feedback when i speak (or breath) at it but nothing is recorded when i try to use rec. when i disable the mic at alsamixer i am no longer able to hear anything when i speak to the mic (it remains absolutely silent). i use slack64 13.0. [18:12] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Troubleshooting sound is always best done in the terminal outside of X. I had a similar problem (before my sound card was properly recognized by alsa) and had to pass options to the snd-hda-intel module. I'm not sure what module supports your sound card but you may have to pass options to it to get everything working properly [18:14] i use snd-hda-intel [18:14] You likely have to pass a different model= option then [18:14] (codec idt 92hd71b7x) [18:15] What's the output of `lspic -v | grep -i audio` and `aplay -l`? [18:15] he means lspci [18:15] fatalnix, i know. [18:16] Just making sure [18:16] :) [18:16] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-145-224.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:16] Most anyone would think that you thinkj [18:16] lol woops [18:16] Action: T3slider can't type [18:16] King_Ozzy (King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left ##slackware. [18:17] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [18:18] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) [18:19] (output from lspci) [18:19] That sounds familiar [18:19] **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** [18:19] card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] [18:19] Subdevices: 0/1 [18:19] Channel flood from teckan -- kicking [18:19] Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 [18:19] teckan kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:19] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CEC92.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] lol [18:19] i guess i should have used pastebin [18:19] :) [18:19] ;) [18:19] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:20] I thought that card looked familiar, I just answered a similar question on LQ. Are you using a laptop or desktop? [18:20] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:20] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [18:21] laptop [18:21] (dell latitude e6500) [18:21] i have used hda analyzer to unmute everything [18:21] but it was all to no avail [18:22] the mic is somehow "turned on" when i enable it but nothing is recorded with apps [18:22] K, lemme search. You will have to pass at least a model= to the module to get everything working properly. I recall on my old sound card my mic didn't work with some options, while it did for others [18:22] ive formatted a old 20gb ide drive with ext4 file system ill be using it as backup drive... in order to be automounted should it be at fstab or not ? [18:23] yes [18:24] with the options either at "defaults" or "auto" [18:24] /dev/hdb1 /mnt/Backup-HDD ext4 umask=000 1 0 [18:24] no [18:24] "auto" [18:24] ok [18:24] auto it is then :) [18:24] thank you :) [18:24] also, since it's a backup device, add noexec, nodev [18:25] and nosuid [18:25] and that ^^^ [18:25] however, noexec covers it [18:25] er, guess nosuid doesn't matter if noexec is in effect [18:25] well actually ill be putting some stuff there .. not exactly backup drive with rsync stuff etc :D [18:25] T3slider, i passed a modell=dell4 or something similar but i dont remember which file i wrote that [18:25] /etc/modprobe.d/sound probably [18:25] used to be, in old kernel/glibc days, noexec didn't actually work (you could run "/lib/ld-linux.so /path/to/binary" and it'd run) [18:25] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.127.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:25] The different model options are listed in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt [18:26] You'd want to play with the STAC92* options [18:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.97.181) joined ##slackware. [18:27] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:30] What I would suggest would be to try out a few of the more relevant-looking models outside of X. `modprobe -r snd-hda-intel`, edit that sound file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with a new model, save, reload module with `modprobe snd-hda-intel`, try recording with arecord, and try playing the newly created file with aplay. You will have to rerun alsamixer to adjust volumes *EVERY* time you reload the module. Try muted and unmuted. always at full volume [18:30] You may have to adjust mic boost as well if you can [18:31] could just get an amixer command in your bash history, too [18:31] That could work as well. ;) [18:32] stupid hda intels [18:32] i had the exact problem on an acer aspire [18:32] Yeah. Mine works out of the box now but I had to go through the above in 12.0 [18:32] I disabled my onboard hda-intel in favour of a PCI envy24-based card [18:33] far too many xruns in jack. [18:33] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] output of amixer: http://pastebin.com/7KLm7Snk [18:33] Yeah I had the same experience eviljames [18:34] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [18:34] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:34] I can't remember amixer options but you'd want something to turn up your speakers to 100% and unmute them, as well as doing the same for your mic [18:34] T3slider: using a tascam us100 I get near-zero without RT kernel. [18:35] Nice. The RT kernel wasn't stable enough last time I used it...haven't glanced at it since [18:36] http://www.lindesalmonds.com/index.html <--- these almonds are damn yummy :) [18:36] you can set channel volumes with it like so: "amixer set Master Playback Volume 75%", but maybe the channels change with different options, so perhaps alsamixer is best (although tedious) [18:36] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] do i chown iavor:users /dev/hdb1 ... cuz its owned by root only and cannot write to it :) [18:38] iAVOR: no. use another mount option [18:39] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [18:39] i don't think that'll work [18:39] iAVOR: spend some time with man mount [18:39] look at the umask and user options [18:39] ive set the defaults [18:39] no umask [18:39] :) [18:40] it's part of the mount options [18:40] if you use "defaults" then it will be owned by root [18:41] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Except ext4 maintains user permissions so although the base directory would be owned by root if there is a user-accessible directory below that you could write to it [18:41] i usually just make folders on the disk and chown those with my user acct [18:42] Same [18:42] well then ill use chown for folders [18:42] i am not able to unload the module snd-hda-intel [18:42] and im ok :) [18:42] :\ [18:42] "module is in use" [18:42] teckan: if it says it is in use then you need to kill whatever app is hogging your card [18:42] thanks [18:42] This is why you should do it outside of X. :) [18:42] T3slider, thanks :) [18:42] Spend some time with your terminal buddies [18:43] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CEC92.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:43] terminal is your friend... usually... [18:43] Razec (1000@187-27-215-241.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:44] I use screen 24/7 and most of my stuff is terminal-based, and I have a large framebuffer. I could live in the terminal if I could survive without a good web browser [18:47] pupit (~p@91.150.106.167) joined ##slackware. [18:47] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-227-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:47] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:50] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] T3slider: wmii + uzbl [18:52] I have a friend that is crazy over wmii. I use xmonad+vimprobable. uzbl is a better browser but it won't do window.open (or at least didn't as of very recently) because of that security hole [18:52] If it did I'd be using it right now [18:53] I have a friend who has been bugging me to try xmonad... but I'm not gonna jump down that hole until I learn Haskell [18:53] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@95.69.85.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:53] Heh, I hate configuring xmonad. I don't know haskell, but I've figured it out well enough to configure. But if I lost my config I'd probably switch to something else [18:54] supposedly Haskell is one of the best for first-time functional programmers [18:55] but by the time I was told that I had already learned XSLT and Erlang [18:55] I'm not much of a programmer but I can make my way through C/C++ and similar. Seeing Haskell code for the first time was an interesting experience -- remarkably different [18:55] Never really dabbled in functional programming myself [18:55] emacs lisp and ocaml [18:56] once you get used to the functional paradigm you'll probably enjoy it [18:56] learning functional programming made me better at OOP [18:56] It's that "getting used to it" part [18:56] yea, but it's not as hard as it looks if you have a good teacher [19:00] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) joined ##slackware. [19:02] I know there are thousands of articles in google in where you can find how to use man pages but do you know someone that can be really good to understand man pages and how to use it? [19:04] whut ? [19:04] DareDevil0: I use "most" [19:05] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:05] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@89.214.16.33) joined ##slackware. [19:05] most [19:05] ruben23 (~ITadmin@122.55.48.243) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:06] export PAGER=most [19:06] or MANPAGER, if you want to restrict it [19:07] ok [19:07] ruben23 (~ITadmin@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [19:08] yeah well what i want to know is how to interpret this pages [19:08] what pages [19:08] man pages [19:08] the manuals [19:08] of the applications [19:09] um.. they contain documentation [19:09] so..you interpret them.. in English, I think [19:17] myrddin (~myrddin@80-46-57-137.static.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [19:17] myrddin (~myrddin@80-46-57-137.static.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:20] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [19:28] frimer (~frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [19:33] frimer (~frimer@szluug.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:35] myrddin (~user@80-46-57-137.static.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] greetings and salutations [19:36] myrddin (~user@80-46-57-137.static.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:37] can --reinstall and --install-new be used together with upgradepkg? [19:38] yup [19:39] (i mean even if the pkg is already installed) [19:40] beccara (~chatzilla@mail.uberpc.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:40] that's what reinstall does, innit ? [19:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:40] Myrddin (~user@80-46-57-137.static.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] Hey guys [19:40] i basically want to do upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new *.txz over the same set of pkgs a few times (building X) [19:40] Does 13.0 still have bootdisks? I cant seem to find them anywhere and I need the raid.s bootdisk along with install.1 and .2 [19:41] The 2.6 kernels shipped with Slack won't fit on a floppy disk if that's what you mean. Boot USB, yes. CD, yes. Disk, no [19:42] ok [19:42] I'm having a issue with using the cd and the dell 1850 fusion module [19:42] i dont see any disk's when booting [19:43] PXE boot ftw! [19:44] not sure how that helps me :P [19:44] i'm currently trying to use 10.2 bootdisks and root disks and 13 cdrom [19:45] PXE boot would give you the full slackware installer environment [19:45] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:45] but if the 13 iso doesnt work at boot then would the PXE be different? [19:46] i thought the iso didn't work b/c your cd rom was foobared. maybe i misunderstood [19:46] no no the installer doesnt see my scsci hdd's [19:47] DareDevil0 (~linux@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:47] Myrddin (~user@80-46-57-137.static.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) [19:48] Real scsi? [19:48] its a dell 1850 server [19:48] Heh, well I can't help you there [19:49] its the same error as here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slack-12-2-installation-problems-lsi-scsi-mptbase-error-messages-690176/ [19:53] frimer (~frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [19:55] are you able to modprobe any of the drivers before you start setup? [19:55] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-199-35.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:56] found a way around it [19:56] made a raid array with a single drive in it and its bypassed that module and loaded another one [19:59] in other news, where do you work that you can run slackware? [20:04] hi all, i have lots of computer in my local network, ... is it possible to ping a specified computer from the outside ? [20:04] because all computers from the local network have the same public ip adress [20:04] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] paissad: no [20:09] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:10] ang_: Its the only distro that tproxy works on [20:11] beccara_ (~chatzilla@mail.uberpc.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:12] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-14-145.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:22] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CEC92.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] hi all. i finally managed to get my sound working properly (snd-hda-intel messing with amixer settings, argh!). is there an easy way to backup my current settings so that i can "reload" them easily in case some problem happens? [21:24] alsactl store [21:24] (as root) [21:24] the manpage says where it saves them [21:25] teckan: did you get your mic working? [21:27] T3slider, i did! [21:27] :D [21:27] Nice [21:28] BALSAQ (~robert@97.81.160.189) joined ##slackware. [21:28] is slackware recommended for Linux newbies? [21:29] BALSAQ, why not? [21:30] Slackware was my first distro. As long as you're prepared to read (and it's always better if your machine isn't mission critical) then it's fine [21:30] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-45-183-200.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] so those that can read will find it easy to use? lol [21:31] i mean does it connect to the internet from a live cd? [21:32] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:32] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-33.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] BALSAQ (~robert@97.81.160.189) left irc: Client Quit [21:33] The 'liveCD' in Slackware is really meant solely for installation/recovery. It's not like Ubuntu which has a full graphical LiveCD that you could use on a daily basis [21:33] frimer (~frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [21:34] Technically you can connect to a network but there is no browser included on the LiveCD/DVD AFAIK [21:34] T3slider, too late. he left [21:35] Ah [21:35] Well I have joins/quits off so I fail. :D [21:35] Too busy in this channel [21:36] beccara (~chatzilla@mail.uberpc.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:37] ok I must be having a really blonde moment right now [21:38] fighting with bridge utils to install on slackware, no ./configure and makefile [21:38] grab the slackbuild [21:38] there is one for 13.0? [21:39] slackbuilds.org and linuxpackages.net show nothing for 13.0 [21:39] ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/n/bridge-utils/ [21:40] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [21:41] thanks [21:42] np [21:43] still pretty new to slackware [21:43] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [21:44] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-14-145.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:44] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:49] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::56df) left irc: Quit: cd ~ [21:50] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-45-183-200.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:54] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-73-33-151.clppva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] hey Pat just quit slackware!? [21:57] yep, he decided to start using ubuntu [21:58] mancha: that gag is only good for another 2 hours in new york [22:00] April Fools! [22:00] lol' [22:02] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-44-207-110.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] here's a cute one: www.kernel.org [22:05] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-73-33-151.clppva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:05] lmao2k: aprils the 1st was 3hours ago [22:06] oh [22:06] he quit [22:06] @_@ [22:06] what a knob [22:07] beccara (~chatzilla@mail.uberpc.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:08] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CEC92.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:09] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon125882.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [22:10] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] rosano (~nader@84.241.19.13) joined ##slackware. [22:13] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-44-207-110.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:14] HI, how can I change refresh rate for console frame buffer for 85hz? (I'm using vesafb 1024x768) [22:15] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] :) [22:17] rosano_ (1000@84.241.18.235) joined ##slackware. [22:17] Nick change: rosano_ -> nader_ [22:17] rosano: try a different framebuffer driver [22:17] Nick change: nader_ -> rosano_ [22:18] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:18] v3gard, uvesafb? [22:18] flity (~foolity@123.121.5.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:19] i'm not familiar with that driver myself (using radeonfb), but almost every driver beats vesafb when it comes to refresh rate [22:20] rosano (~nader@84.241.19.13) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:20] Nick change: rosano_ -> rosano [22:20] flity (~foolity@123.121.5.250) joined ##slackware. [22:20] v3gard, you mean vesafb is waek than other fbdrivers ? [22:23] i'm not that into kernel programming, so I cannot base my arguments on the technical details of the driver, but based on my own personal experience, yes [22:24] rosano_ (1000@84.241.20.114) joined ##slackware. [22:26] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-44-141-149.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] rosano (1000@84.241.18.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:28] Nick change: rosano_ -> rosano [22:28] lesser (~lesser@117.136.12.69) joined ##slackware. [22:39] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] rosano (1000@84.241.20.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:39] M1ck3y (jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:39] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-184-203.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] heya,slackers [22:41] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [22:43] what about us non or semi slackers ? [22:44] alrights...folks*...:P [22:47] hi [22:48] =) [22:48] mercfate (~fate@187.2.146.144) joined ##slackware. [22:48] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:48] hi [22:49] is possible to do a proxy server with squid transparent and autenticated? [22:49] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] bjx_ (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:50] bjx (~bjx@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:51] http://i.imgur.com/BZ9gn.jpg [22:51] lol'd [22:54] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [22:54] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:54] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:55] blaines (~blaines@173-14-197-193-huntsville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] is possible to do a proxy server with squid transparent and authenticated? [22:56] blaines (~blaines@173-14-197-193-huntsville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:57] mercfate (~fate@187.2.146.144) left irc: Quit: Saindo [22:57] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [22:57] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:01] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-33.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [23:01] Action: mag0o predicts merciful will ask again in about 2 minutes [23:01] evening andarius [23:01] mishehu (~mishehu@99-153-67-105.uvs.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:01] :) [23:01] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:02] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] salutations hitest [23:03] how are you today? [23:03] wore out. luckily rest is onthe way. you? [23:04] : [23:04] lw0x15: ^^ [23:04] yeah. I'm also very tired from the week. I'm very glad for some down time. [23:04] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:07] I have down time starting tomorrow :) [23:09] nice [23:09] sipping some red wine now....relaxing:) [23:10] heya,hitest...how's the weather been like for y'all in BC? [23:11] hiya MLanden quite cool this am. just above freezing actually. we had a light dusting of snow this morning [23:13] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-33.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:13] been warm with spring showers on/off here in Va [23:14] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] osuosl is fail. [23:15] MLanden: nice. you're lucky:) [23:15] this is a sad day. [23:15] antiwire: ? [23:15] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] slow mirror? [23:16] yeah [23:16] was mid 80s here today :) [23:16] nothing up yet [23:17] I upgraded using oregon.state, it took awhile to propagate [23:17] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:17] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:17] osuosl still doesn't show anything for me [23:17] andarius: man, you are lucky! very nice indeed:) [23:18] andarius, awesome...indeed [23:18] R S Y N C . O S U O S L . O R G Oregon State University Open Source Lab [23:18] nada [23:18] weird [23:18] worked here [23:19] same here [23:19] wtf [23:19] maybe they blacklisted me [23:19] ...again [23:20] mwnn (~user@59.96.59.76) joined ##slackware. [23:22] hi, i am using setitimer() to for my timing purposes. In my application i would have to set the system time to one specified by the Time Of Day protocol. Hence the timer set using setitimer() is expiring [23:22] is there a solution to this problem [23:22] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] pthreat (~pthreat@201-213-122-80.net.prima.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:30] hey guys, I'm having some issues with my webcam Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0c45:60fc Microdia PC Camera with Mic (SN9C105) anyone care to lend me a hand? [23:30] antiwire: I would say it is a bad thing if a mirror blacklists you :P [23:31] I've had that happen in the past from osuosl [23:31] I set rsync to use md5.... [23:31] nuff said [23:31] you pull full mirror daily or something [23:31] lol [23:31] at the time, yes indeed [23:31] I learned a lesson [23:31] I hope so ;) [23:31] videodev 30424 8 sn9c102,gspca_main,tuner,tda7432,msp3400,v4l2_common my modules [23:34] pthreat, have you tried the linux-uvc? here's a couple websites that might help http://hardware4linux.info/component/14220/ http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ [23:35] MLanden: I'll check that out thanks [23:36] pthreat, np [23:37] where do we set the default application for opening a certain mime/file type? [23:39] i see xdg-mime and that seems promising though I don't completly understand how to use it. [23:40] pthreat, which kernel are you using? [23:40] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:40] MLanden: custom kernel [23:41] pthreat, if you moprobe uvcvideo in root,does it give any error? [23:42] let me check [23:42] nopes [23:42] USB Video Class driver (v0.1.0) [23:42] My dog is resting on my hand, hard to type [23:43] MLanden: ok so should I access this directly through /dev/video0 ? [23:43] pthreat, try [23:44] ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: ERR -28, interval 1 msecs, load 806 [23:44] gspca: usb_submit_urb [0] err -28 [23:44] ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: leak ed f6b27200 (#81) state 2 [23:44] sonixj: Find Sensor sn9c102P HV7131R [23:44] pthreat, which program are you using to call the device? [23:45] I'm trying to open /dev/video0 with VLC [23:45] mwnn (~user@59.96.59.76) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:47] pthreat, is video0 the only node you see? [23:47] yeah there's only /dev/video0 [23:48] MLanden: actually I have /dev/video1 which is the webcam and /dev/video0 which is my tv card that works perfectly [23:49] pthreat, can vlc make a call to /dev/video1? [23:50] yes I'm opening /dev/video1 (webcam) [23:50] MLanden: is there a way to open it with mplayer ? how would the uri be [23:50] pthreat, manning mplayer right now [23:51] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:51] mmmm no v4l uri [23:52] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:52] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:54] MLanden: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so mplayer tv:// -tv \ driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:fps=25:device=/dev/video1 -vo xv [23:54] should be something like that [23:58] MLanden: hey, It's working :) [23:59] MLanden: http://groups.google.com/group/microdia/web/testing-microdia-driver-draft [23:59] that's the thing [23:59] pthreat, it's allowing you to use v4l2? [23:59] yes [23:59] works like a charm :O [23:59] I'll try to stream it after [00:00] --- Fri Apr 2 2010