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[00:02] <P4C0> dive: but this is not be used as it rigth? since rc.inet2 calls rc.firewall with start parameter?
[00:04] <dive> well it will work as it is, but any parameters/instructions will be ignored
[00:04] <P4C0> dive: thanks
[00:05] <dive> I can post my rc.firewall up on ftp so you can get an idea of what to change to make it start/stop etc
[00:05] <dive> sec
[00:05] <P4C0> dive: so it's normal(common) to use it as rc.firewall ?
[00:05] <P4C0> dive: don't worry, I can do it
[00:05] <dive> yes
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[00:06] <P4C0> dive: however it will be nice to see your rc.firewall ;)
[00:06] <dive> ok sec
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[00:07] <snorks> nice script
[00:07] <Desperado667> Question... what is the lowest and highest index value of the string "Hello"?
[00:07] <thumbs> Desperado667: what?
[00:07] <snorks> 0 and 4 i guess
[00:08] <Desperado667> Yeah
[00:08] <Desperado667> That's what I figured
[00:08] <snorks> 5 might be the \n
[00:08] <snorks> err
[00:08] <snorks> 0
[00:08] <snorks> \0
[00:08] <P4C0> or \0
[00:08] <snorks> null-terminator
[00:08] <Desperado667> Damn asian teacher
[00:08] <snorks> lol
[00:08] <P4C0> (damn lag)
[00:09] <dive> http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/networking
[00:09] <P4C0> thanks dive
[00:09] <Desperado667> I was seriously questioning my knowledge for a second there, thanks
[00:09] <dive> np
[00:09] <snorks> pretty sure c compiler would moan if you tried to index the 0-terminator, but you should be able to do it with shellcode
[00:09] <snorks> you ARE able to do it with shellcode
[00:09] <FriedBob> That all depends on the language the string is in
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[00:10] <FriedBob> The correct answer is the one I always give for acocunting and legal questions that are posed to me. "It depends"
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[00:11] <dive> P4C0, my script as it is doesn't filter/block any outgoing connections, but I've got the code there if you wanted to do that
[00:11] <P4C0> dive: it's ok, thanks a lot ;)
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[00:16] <NutSac> sup
[00:17] <NutSac> Anyone have any tips on getting a Linksys WPC300n card working un BackTrack ?
[00:18] <dive> NutSac, tried #remote-exploit?
[00:18] <pip> BackTrack looks nice
[00:18] <NutSac> •dive• no .. i will now
[00:18] <NutSac> thx
[00:20] <NutSac> you know what network they are on ?
[00:20] <NutSac> i just figured i ask here first
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[00:23] <adrenaline> Hey you know when you hover over a mp3 icon and it plays the song? Do you know what that is called?
[00:24] <wat> mouseover
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[00:24] <wat> oh
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[00:24] <wat> nevermind
[00:24] <adrenaline> on your desktop
[00:26] <thumbs> adrenaline: are you using KDE?
[00:26] <adrenaline> ya
[00:27] <Ficthe> That doesn't happen in my KDE desktop :'(
[00:27] <Ficthe> are you on a default 12.2 installation?
[00:27] <adrenaline> ya
[00:27] <thumbs> nor does it do that here.
[00:27] <adrenaline> I know it doesn't happen I want it too
[00:27] <FriedBob> A bad case of sloppy focus?
[00:28] <thumbs> you want it to play when you hover? why?
[00:28] <adrenaline> cause it is cool
[00:28] <High_Priest> hi everybody, any suggestions for simple traffic shaping per source ip? I've been using cbq long time ago.. but it seems that it wont work on 2.6.26 kernel..
[00:28] <thumbs> adrenaline: single click on it.
[00:28] <adrenaline> ya but I don't want it to start a player
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[00:29] <adrenaline> I will find it and you will all be hooked
[00:29] <thumbs> adrenaline: how do you expect linux to play it otherwise?
[00:29] <FriedBob> Does it work in console?
[00:29] <thumbs> adrenaline: no, we don't like your idea.
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[00:30] <adrenaline> It is a program that already works
[00:30] <adrenaline> I mean not in slackware by default but it is a working program I just forgot the name
[00:30] <FriedBob> It likely has some player already running, but in the bg
[00:30] <adrenaline> It will play without starting a player
[00:31] <adrenaline> well ya but it turns off when you don't hover anymore
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[00:31] <thumbs> I don't see the value in that.
[00:31] <adrenaline> I will find it it is pretty cool especially if you just want a quick sound bite
[00:31] <FriedBob> adrenaline: Sloppy focus on steriods gone horribly wrong.  Yep yep.
[00:31] <thumbs> it sounds very Vista-ish to me.
[00:31] <adrenaline> hope more ubuntuish
[00:32] <adrenaline> nope not hope
[00:32] <adrenaline> hehe
[00:32] <FriedBob> thumbs: Vista would ask permission first.
[00:32] <P4C0> adrenaline: I know that can be configured on first kde login, when you choose the performance vs eyecandy, but not sure where to configured it after, let me check
[00:32] <thumbs> FriedBob: ahaha
[00:32] <Rat409> sounds like a pulse-audio type thing.which kde/slack doesn't have by default afaik
[00:33] <thumbs> adrenaline: why don't you simply use ubuntu?
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[00:33] <adrenaline> because ubuntu is stupid
[00:33] <adrenaline> I didn't mean that
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[00:33] <Khratos> P4C0, 'Settings/ Desktop Setting Wizard'
[00:33] <adrenaline> I like slackware better I just like some features that do not come stock with slackware I am sure we all do
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[00:35] <adrenaline> it is called mpg123 if you are interested but I am sure your not
[00:35] <adrenaline> hehe
[00:36] <P4C0> adrenaline: control panel, desktop, behavior, file icons, show icon preview for.. sound files?
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[00:36] <P4C0> s/panel/center
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[00:37] <adrenaline> sweet P4C0 that worked nice
[00:39] <adrenaline> Ok now my last question is "Cheese" the best web cam software?
[00:39] <adrenaline> for slackware
[00:40] <Ficthe> foudn it
[00:40] <Ficthe> ohh.. you already got it :) soryr
[00:40] <adrenaline> Thanks for trying tho
[00:40] <Ficthe> YAYYYY, you mean I get an B- for the effort?
[00:41] <Ficthe> s/an/a
[00:41] <P4C0> adrenaline: cheese uses gnome libs right? i think slack doesn't include them... but I may be wrong... if you are using kde get a kde app for it
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[00:42] <adrenaline> Sorry I usually use gnome. I have just went to kde with slackware that is why I know these funny apps. What is a kde app that will run my cam?
[00:42] <thumbs> adrenaline: that behaviour is pretty annoying, actually
[00:42] <adrenaline> What behavior?
[00:42] <Motoko-chan> Run your cam?
[00:42] <Motoko-chan> Like what?
[00:42] <thumbs> adrenaline: auto-playing sound files.
[00:43] <Motoko-chan> I know Kopete will use video.
[00:43] <adrenaline> Oh hehe I like it
[00:43] <P4C0> thumbs: yes it's a pain :p
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[00:43] <adrenaline> Motoko-chan, ya but I think it needs to be set up first
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[00:43] <adrenaline> about the sound thing I know it isn't for everybody but I like it
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[00:43] <adrenaline> Just like Jack Daniels
[00:44] <adrenaline> Not for everybody but I like it
[00:44] <adrenaline> see exactly the same lol
[00:44] <FriedBob> Mmm, Jack Daniels Single Barrel...
[00:44] <Motoko-chan> Kopete uses v4l, so it should just work.
[00:44] <Motoko-chan> Also, mplayer will display from a v4l device.
[00:44] <P4C0> adrenaline: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KCam?content=9715 ?
[00:45] <P4C0> adrenaline: forget that link, doesn't look good
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[00:46] <adrenaline> Oh ya I saw that but it sounded good
[00:46] <Motoko-chan> I suppose smplayer might qualify.
[00:47] <Motoko-chan> It uses QT for widgets.
[00:47] <P4C0> yup
[00:50] <adrenaline> P4C0, what do you think of this? http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/multimedia/cheese/2.24.2/
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[00:51] <P4C0> adrenaline: i don't know, but wouldn't install it, Motoko-chan recomendation sounds way better
[00:51] <Ficthe> okay, my turn to ask a noobie question. I just did the "desktop settings wizard" and now my desktop icons have doubled in size.. going back in "desktop settings wizard," I can't spot anything relevant to revert this - any ideas?
[00:52] <Motoko-chan> What de?
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[00:52] <Ficthe> KDE 3.5
[00:52] <slakmagik> I don't use kde but is it that 'options' list - 'desktop effects' or whatever?
[00:52] <adrenaline> Did you do this trying to help me?
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[00:53] <P4C0> Ficthe: Control Center -> Apparence and Themes -> Icons -> Advanced
[00:55] <Ficthe> that did it, thanks
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[00:56] Action: adrenaline applauds P4C0 you are batting 1000 tonight
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[01:01] <kevman> Any of you running KDE 4.2?  Ran into any stability issues?
[01:03] <Ficthe> kde 4.3 is set for a july 28 release, I reckon it'll be featured in slack 13 or whatever
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[01:04] <kevman> Yeah, its been pretty solid for me.  Just wondering if anyone else has messed around with it.
[01:06] <Nikolai-Zanovsk> i am using 4.2, it seems good
[01:06] <Ficthe> however.. on a second thought, I wonder if it would (show up in slack 13), since I imagine the slackware crowd to be the most anti-flash, anti-kde4
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[01:08] <pip> So what's the kernel module for xfs filesystem ?
[01:09] <pip> Ficthe, I think slackware is an anti-gnome
[01:10] <BP{k}> Ficthe: why do you think "the slackware crowd" is anti kde4?
[01:10] <Ficthe> BP{k}, look at the slackware logo.. that might give a hint ;)
[01:10] <Ficthe> as people said, it accentuates simplicity over flashiness
[01:12] <BP{k}> Ficthe: I think personally slackware users use whatever they dang well fancy :)
[01:12] <Ficthe> but the predominant majority (at least in my experiences) use either *box or tiling window managers
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[01:13] <Ficthe> uses* and I think they'll probably protest if kde4, instead of kde3, is in the next slack release
[01:13] <BP{k}> uhm...
[01:13] <BP{k}> I seriously doubt it KDE3 will be in the next release
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[01:13] <BP{k}> I seriously think KDE4 *WILL* be
[01:13] <BP{k}> and if they protest, .. well they dont have to install it :)
[01:15] <Ficthe> I suppose.. and probably the next slack is released, it'll be AFTER the time kde4.3 is out (july 28), when people have grown a little comfy to it :) anyway though
[01:15] <BP{k}> next version should be nice anyway with KDE4 4.x and XFCE 4.6 :)
[01:16] <BP{k}> (providing xfce4.6 will be released by then)
[01:16] <Ficthe> you use ...uhh, I'll check
[01:16] <Ficthe> bah, no task bar or anything to give hints -- fluxbox?
[01:17] <Ficthe> (from the ss you gave me)
[01:17] <BP{k}> which screanshot is that? ;)
[01:17] <Ficthe> the one you shot for me to show me those awesome-sexy Persian fonts
[01:19] <BP{k}> hmm nope. I use mostly kde3 and xfce on my laptop
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[01:23] <P4C0> good nite
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[01:25] <ccfreak2k> BP{k}, heh, KDE4 wouldn't be in testing long then.
[01:25] <ccfreak2k> It was added like, what, two months ago?
[01:26] <BP{k}> ccfreak2k: hmm longer than that.
[01:26] <ccfreak2k> You filthy liar!
[01:27] <BP{k}> Wed Aug 13 09:21:45 CDT 2008 - testing/packages/kde4:  Added KDE version 4.1 to testing!  :-)
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[01:27] <ccfreak2k> That's a lot longer than I thought.
[01:27] <BP{k}> so give or take 5 months - 3 weeks.
[01:29] <ccfreak2k> What's a few months between friends?
[01:33] <BP{k}> exactly. besides we all know that the next version of slackwar will be the best ever ;)
[01:34] <slakmagik> it always is ;)
[01:35] <slakmagik> everybody gets all excited about kde4 when what would make me happy is for fvwm to kick out a stable 2.6 so I could stop building my own 2.5s
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[01:48] <gar0t0> BP{k}: I'm using kde4 now
[01:48] <ccfreak2k> Slackwar.
[01:48] <BP{k}> gar0t0: liking it?
[01:50] <gar0t0> BP{k}: yes! 4.2 is "stable"
[01:52] <gar0t0> is so much better 4.1
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[01:57] <agentc0re> So i am having this issue in kde 4.2.  If i put in say Slackware dvd, it auto detects it and mounts it and asks me what to do.  If i put in a blank dvd, nothing happens.  no detection, no auto mounting.
[01:59] <agentc0re> Oh weird.  now it's working... Thats odd.
[01:59] <agentc0re> just reinserted the dvd.
[02:03] <agentc0re> Well besides that stupid issue, I've been having an issue when logging out of xfce and xfce only.  It's like X never really closes when i logout.  What happens is i logout, log back in and then can't move any windows when opened.  IE: if i open thunar and try to move it around with in my screen, it just doesn't happen.  It's "locked" in place.  I noticed that in .xsession-error that it says something about how the x:0 display i
[02:06] Action: edman007 flushes kde down the potty
[02:06] <edman007> there, fixed it
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[02:07] <agentc0re> ... how does getting rid of kde fix xfce?
[02:07] <agentc0re> well fix my xfce issue?
[02:07] <edman007> fixes the kde issue :P
[02:07] <agentc0re> oh, lol.
[02:07] <edman007> agentc0re, and pastebin your Xorg.0.log for the other issue, also what vid card and driver?
[02:08] <agentc0re> edman007: I have an nvidia 8800gt, 180.18 drivers.
[02:08] <edman007> well i would first try other video drivers
[02:09] <edman007> does it happen with the nv driver?
[02:09] <edman007> or vesa?
[02:09] <agentc0re> Not sure, never tried any other drivers before.
[02:10] <agentc0re> And it only occurs when using xfce.
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[02:10] <stybla> morning.
[02:10] <edman007> agentc0re, well switch driver and see what happens, because that sounds like a driver issue, and switching to nv or vesa will be the quickest way to determine if its a driver issue
[02:11] <gar0t0> I don't have this problem
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[02:32] <_adrenaline> anybody know why I am getting these?
[02:32] <_adrenaline> APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)
[02:32] <_adrenaline> cpu1 and cpu0
[02:33] <_adrenaline> everytime this happens after about 20 consecutive my wireless drops off
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[02:36] <dive> _adrenaline, you can pass noapic to kernel at boot perhaps to see if it helps
[02:37] <adrenaline> could that make my lappy over heat?
[02:37] <adrenaline> I know how to do that in grub but not lilo?
[02:37] <dive> _adrenaline, no it's the programmable interupt controller
[02:38] <adrenaline> oh and this just started today and I have had this install for week with no hiccups any idea how this would happen all of a sudden?
[02:38] <dive> append="noapic"
[02:38] <dive> hmm
[02:38] <adrenaline> where in lilo do I put that?
[02:38] <dive> you havent built a custom kernel or anything?
[02:38] <adrenaline> yes 2.26.28.2
[02:39] <adrenaline> but it was working fine. although today I did add a camera driver to my kernel
[02:39] <adrenaline> maybe that did something
[02:39] <dive> maybe
[02:39] <adrenaline> crud
[02:39] <dive> diff the config with stock kernel
[02:39] <dive> there are options for apic and lapic
[02:39] <dive> l=local
[02:40] <adrenaline> What is a programmable interrupt controller can I program it lol
[02:40] <dive> I guess that's the idea
[02:40] <adrenaline> Is it ok to turn that off?
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[02:40] <adrenaline> I mean what happens if I do?
[02:40] <dive> well the options there state something about uniprocessors I recal
[02:41] <dive> not much
[02:41] <dive> but it may worth reading those options
[02:41] <adrenaline> so If I noapic will it turn off my duo processeor
[02:41] <adrenaline> sorry it is late and I am too tired hehe
[02:41] <dive> no it just affects the IRQs
[02:41] <adrenaline> Oh ok I will try it
[02:42] <dive> I would look in kernel first, then try lilo
[02:42] <adrenaline> apend = "noapic"
[02:42] <adrenaline> ok
[02:42] <adrenaline> Thanks for the advice
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[02:42] <dive> yeah that goes in the bootable section
[02:42] <adrenaline> I will have to do it tomorrow.
[02:42] <dive> np
[02:42] <dive> and thats append with 2 ps
[02:43] <adrenaline> oh right
[02:43] <adrenaline> ya I meant that that is why I am not going to do it tonight lol
[02:43] <dive> k ;)
[02:43] <adrenaline> Talk to you tomorrow
[02:43] <dive> 7:43 am here
[02:43] <adrenaline> thanks again
[02:43] <dive> sure
[02:43] <dive> cafeine time
[02:43] <adrenaline> it is almost 1:00AM here
[02:43] <dive> yeah
[02:44] <dive> I woke up at 4am and started writing a slackbuild
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[02:44] <dive> cos I couldnt sleep
[02:44] <adrenaline> nice
[02:44] <dive> my first one :)
[02:44] <adrenaline> I was doing good till my os started complaining then I got tired
[02:45] <dive> let me check something before you go
[02:45] <dive> sec
[02:45] <adrenaline> k
[02:46] <dive> yeah I thought so - there is also a nolapic option
[02:46] <dive> coldnt recall whether it was that or lapic=off
[02:46] <adrenaline> meaning I can turn that off?
[02:46] <adrenaline> oh do I do that instead of append ="noapic"
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[02:48] <dive> adrenaline, it's something you can try if noapic doesn't work
[02:48] <dive> just another option
[02:48] <dive> you got dual core right?
[02:48] <adrenaline> can I run that in the cli or do I need to put that in the /lilo.conf file
[02:48] <dive> lilo
[02:48] <adrenaline> yep
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[02:49] <dive> I'm sure I recall reading something in menuconfig about dual cores and apic
[02:50] <adrenaline> cool maybe I will recompile tomorrow
[02:50] <adrenaline> maybe there is a new kernel I will check that out
[02:50] <dive> [*] Local APIC support on uniprocessors
[02:51] <dive> [ ]   IO-APIC support on uniprocessors (NEW)
[02:51] <dive> so I guess they are only for uni
[02:51] <dive> thats all I could see
[02:52] <dive> so you probably want to turn those off I imagine
[02:52] <adrenaline> is that what yours looks like
[02:53] <dive> I just ticked both now
[02:53] <dive> but this kernel they werent enabled
[02:53] <dive> gonna rebuild and reboot
[02:53] <adrenaline> I didn't mean for you to recompile yours
[02:53] <dive> may as well
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[02:54] <adrenaline> so I should uncheck those on mine rgiht?
[02:54] <dive> I would imagine they are only for uniprocessors not dual
[02:54] <dive> you can try it
[02:55] <dive> but nolapic should do the same
[02:55] <adrenaline> mine is a uni
[02:55] <adrenaline> just a core duo
[02:55] <dive> ah
[02:55] <dive> right I thought uniprocessor meant single core?
[02:56] <adrenaline> lapic = off I put that in /lilo.conf?
[02:56] <dive> no
[02:56] <adrenaline> instead of append ="noapic"?
[02:56] <dive> nolapic
[02:56] <dive> append="nolapic" or append="noapic"
[02:57] <adrenaline> oh ok
[02:57] <dive> or append="nolapic noapic"
[02:57] <adrenaline> Oh I see no on both
[02:57] <adrenaline> ok
[02:57] <dive> see which works if any
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[02:57] <adrenaline> cool
[02:57] <adrenaline> it is weird that crap all started today all of a sudden
[02:58] <adrenaline> but it is cool to so I can learn it too
[02:58] <dive> yeh
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[02:58] <dive> maybe that camera driver is causing problems with something?
[02:58] <adrenaline> sounds like maybe you have fought this at one time
[02:58] <adrenaline> could be and it turned out I didn't need it either
[02:58] <dive> well I've come across problems like that before
[02:59] <adrenaline> cool
[02:59] <adrenaline> Alright thanks again I am going to go pass out
[03:01] <dive> ok
[03:01] <dive> np
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[03:20] <SuspectZero> hey there
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[03:33] <Camarade_Tux> http://code.google.com/p/blackgold/issues/detail?id=3 ><
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[03:38] <antler> good day folks :)
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[03:44] <stybla> aye
[03:44] <dive> morning
[03:46] <dive> Camarade_Tux, that's great :)
[03:48] <Camarade_Tux> I've never enjoyed auto-indexing my hard drive(s) ;p
[03:48] <Camarade_Tux> hi antler
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[03:50] <stybla> huh. i guess i've missed something.
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[03:51] <antler> Camarade_Tux: hey ;)
[03:52] <stybla> oh! it's good to be free :)
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[03:54] <stybla> Camarade_Tux: oh, thank you very much. now, i think i won't ever get married! :s
[03:55] <stybla> :p
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[03:58] Action: stybla feels depressed :(
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[04:02] <nullboy> good
[04:03] <nullboy> be depressed.
[04:03] <dive> Camarade_Tux, I've submitted a patch :)
[04:03] <nullboy> because letting an IRC channel know you are depressed is a great way to get more depressed
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[04:04] <stybla> nullboy: :(
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[04:10] <blackorca> if only the reverse were true
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[04:10] <blackorca> :)
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[04:30] <mrselfpwn> hello
[04:30] <dive> hello mrself
[04:30] <dive> well they threatened snow but it aint happened yet
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[04:31] <dive> after I went out and stocked up on food
[04:31] <mrselfpwn> cus i said so
[04:33] <dive> you said no snow?
[04:33] <mrselfpwn> lol no
[04:33] <dive> I guess I missed that then :)
[04:33] <mrselfpwn> the interenet isn't listening again
[04:34] <dive> it does that
[04:34] <mrselfpwn> yes
[04:34] <mrselfpwn> i said
[04:34] <mrselfpwn> say no to any incomming transmission
[04:34] <stybla> what's outside can't be called 'snow'
[04:35] <mrselfpwn> yeah
[04:35] <dive> not here it can't
[04:35] <dive> cos there is none
[04:35] <stybla> there is something white outside, but ... ~1cm? pf!
[04:35] <mrselfpwn> oh yes
[04:35] <dive> where do you live stybla?
[04:35] <mrselfpwn> that must be global warming.
[04:36] <stybla> prague atm.
[04:36] <mrselfpwn> crock of crap that is anyway
[04:37] <dive> well it aint very warm here
[04:38] <mrselfpwn> it aint warm here
[04:38] <stybla> but we were talking about snow, weren't we?
[04:38] <dive> we were
[04:38] <stybla> i hate cold (winter) without snow
[04:39] <dive> they said it was gonna be bad in england
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[04:39] <dive> wth - success?
[04:39] <stybla> heh
[04:40] <mrselfpwn> yeah, hell is worse
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[04:51] <mrselfpwn> milk is good though
[04:52] <mrselfpwn> it's a good source of calcium
[04:52] <stybla> yeah, one has to compensate hectoliters of coffee somehow
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[04:52] <mrselfpwn> yes
[04:53] <dive> i always put coffee in my milk
[04:53] <mrselfpwn> i do both
[04:53] <stybla> dive: :)
[04:54] <Spiko> Anyone know why ad-hoc mode does not work with 2.6.28 anymore and how to fix it :)?
[04:54] <mrselfpwn> but i like my coffee black so i drink them separate.
[04:55] <stybla> mrselfpwn: i don't anymore. however, i drink like 5 or more cups of coffee per day :| poor stomach.
[04:56] <mrselfpwn> well, milk is what the man you kills you  will be drinking
[04:56] <stybla> anyway, time to do some shopping. bbl.
[04:56] <mrselfpwn> if you are killed by a man
[04:56] <mrselfpwn> stybla
[04:56] <dive> he might get killed by a truck
[04:57] <mrselfpwn> i feel your pain
[04:57] <mrselfpwn> well
[04:57] <mrselfpwn> dive
[04:57] <mrselfpwn> the truck killed him
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[04:57] <dive> the secret of longevity is to stay alive
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[04:58] <mrselfpwn> the source of life is water
[04:58] <mrselfpwn> what is the point?
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[04:58] <dive> how long is a piece of string?
[04:58] <LSD`> 42
[04:59] <mrselfpwn> what?
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[05:00] <mrselfpwn> what is the point dive?
[05:00] <dive> of?
[05:00] <dive> staying alive?
[05:00] <wobbles> No no, tht's life, the universe and everything. Oh maybe everything includes pieces of string; I dunno :-)
[05:00] <mrselfpwn> the point of anything is only one thing
[05:00] <mrselfpwn> okay
[05:01] <mrselfpwn> ?
[05:01] <dive> hmm?
[05:01] <dive> there is no point
[05:01] <dive> bluntly
[05:01] <wobbles> That's the point, then?
[05:01] <mrselfpwn> no there is one
[05:02] <dive> the point is that there is no point?
[05:02] <mrselfpwn> the point of no point is that it is infinite
[05:02] <mrselfpwn> and that the infinite variables are well
[05:02] <mrselfpwn> infinite
[05:02] <mrselfpwn> you get my point?
[05:03] <mrselfpwn> so
[05:04] <dive> what is the point?
[05:04] <dive> god this is too much for sunday morning
[05:04] <dive> need lie down for a bit :)
[05:05] <mrselfpwn> well the thing is
[05:05] <mrselfpwn> the opposite of infinite is a point
[05:05] <mrselfpwn> would it not be?
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[05:05] <mrselfpwn>  alas
[05:05] <dive> yes
[05:06] <mrselfpwn> the opposite of infinite is infinite
[05:06] <dive> so either infinity exists and there is no point, or there is no infinity and there is a point
[05:06] <mrselfpwn> it's the only way to travel dive
[05:07] <mrselfpwn> yes dive
[05:07] <mrselfpwn> there are points
[05:07] <mrselfpwn> you made  one
[05:07] <dive> anyway got to go meditate a bit
[05:07] <dive> or try
[05:08] <mrselfpwn> do you meditate?
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[05:09] <blackorca> I'm finally back on slack after an affair with another distro that won't be named
[05:09] <blackorca> I now remember why I like it so much :)
[05:09] <mrselfpwn> cus  you like to mess around? ;)
[05:09] <blackorca> haha
[05:10] <mrselfpwn> well glad you are back with it
[05:11] <mrselfpwn> if you are looking for encouragement got to ##ubuntu.
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[05:12] <blackorca> haha
[05:12] <mrselfpwn> lol
[05:12] <mrselfpwn> i remember you though
[05:13] <mrselfpwn> nice guy
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[05:14] <blackorca> I'm surprised to see XMMS is back
[05:14] <mrselfpwn> I'm actually testing Mandriva
[05:14] <mrselfpwn> wow, it is!!?
[05:14] <mrselfpwn> did't know
[05:14] <blackorca> how's mandriva? I haven't used that since the mandrake days
[05:15] <mrselfpwn> Well
[05:15] <blackorca> check the changelog :)
[05:15] <mrselfpwn> I compare it to slack
[05:15] <mrselfpwn> so it is not good
[05:15] <blackorca> how's it compare to ubuntu?
[05:16] <mrselfpwn> you can't log into root account supposedly, well they don't want you to anyway
[05:16] <mrselfpwn> i never used ubuntu
[05:16] <blackorca> ah
[05:16] <mrselfpwn> yeah
[05:16] <mrselfpwn> well i did use Kubuntu ONCE
[05:16] <blackorca> can't 'su' at all, or?
[05:17] <mrselfpwn> oh man
[05:17] <mrselfpwn> it is a pain in the ass
[05:17] <mrselfpwn> i like to know what is what
[05:18] <mrselfpwn> you can su
[05:18] <mrselfpwn> though
[05:18] <ImmutableDark> man
[05:18] <ImmutableDark> slackware kind of sucks now
[05:18] <blackorca> I haven't really come across anyone who uses mandriva.. it's all ubuntu these days
[05:18] <blackorca> ImmutableDark, why do you say that?
[05:18] <mrselfpwn> well
[05:18] <blackorca> besides you :P
[05:18] <ImmutableDark> can I join the team to help it out or something?
[05:19] <mrselfpwn> ImmutableDark
[05:19] <mrselfpwn> Yes you can
[05:19] <ImmutableDark> awesome
[05:20] <mrselfpwn> you are taking advice from me???
[05:20] <mrselfpwn> that is the first rule
[05:20] <mrselfpwn> never take advice from me
[05:20] <mrselfpwn> okay?
[05:22] <ImmutableDark> well
[05:22] <blackorca> mrselfpwn, not sure about mandriva, but ubuntu is wonderful; I have it installed on two computers (not mine) and it works great.. even suspend, webcam, everything work out of the box
[05:22] <ImmutableDark> that's kind of dumb
[05:22] <ImmutableDark> if I took your advice not to take advice from you
[05:22] <ImmutableDark> I'd be taking advice from you
[05:22] <mrselfpwn> ImmutableDark
[05:23] <mrselfpwn> I see your point
[05:23] <mrselfpwn> don't talk to me
[05:23] <mrselfpwn> thanks
[05:23] <ImmutableDark> lol
[05:23] <mrselfpwn> lol
[05:23] <blackorca> mrselfpwn, I don't like using it for my own computer (except my laptop), but it's definitely come a long way
[05:23] <mrselfpwn> right blackorca
[05:23] <mrselfpwn> stick with slackware
[05:24] <blackorca> I did come back to find that nvidia's thrown my graphics card into their "legacy" drivers now. POS
[05:26] <blackorca> brb
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[05:27] <mrselfpwn> well
[05:27] <mrselfpwn> at least you have me. :)
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[05:31] <blackorca> ImmutableDark, anyway, what sucks?
[05:34] <ImmutableDark> no 2.4 kernel no gnome build just general laziness
[05:34] <ImmutableDark> some holes
[05:34] <ImmutableDark> meh
[05:34] <ImmutableDark> I'll audit as much shit as I can
[05:34] Action: ImmutableDark shrugs
[05:34] <ImmutableDark> anyway I want to help out
[05:44] <blackorca> there are third-party gnome builds that Pat endorses.. I forget the reason he dropped gnome in the first place, but I imagine he'd just use one of those builds if he wanted to add gnome again
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[05:46] <blackorca> I'm not the one to talk to though since I haven't used slack in a while :)
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[05:55] <kjell> What is wrong with gnome? I just switched to slack (been using WinXP before) and have no clue :D
[05:55] <lw0x15> people preferences
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[05:58] <xroberx> hi
[05:58] <kjell> hi
[05:58] <alienBOB> kjell: Gnome proved too difficult to maintain in the distro due to it's build system; Pat simply did not have the time to keep it uptodate and stable, and working nicely with the rest of Slackware
[05:58] <kjell> alienBOB: Aha, thanks a lot. That's a good reason.
[05:58] <alienBOB> Plus, Gnome's philosophy is to hide as much of the system from the user as is possible
[05:59] <alienBOB> Slackware's philosophy is 180 degrees different
[05:59] <xroberx> does anyone know where to get slackbuild for python's Numeric ?
[06:00] <kjell> alienBOB: Thats the better philosophy imo
[06:01] <kjell> Still thinking of how to partition my harddrive when reinstalling slackware. I'm not used to Linux so I don't know really how much to be needed in /home / and so on. Could someone help me with a reasonable partitiontable for a 500GB harddrive and 2GB RAM?
[06:01] <tanamo> i tried kde 4.2 and it's pretty good, the only problem is when i turn on the desktop effects in kwin, framerate of xine player is so slow, any alternative to that?
[06:03] <xroberx> i tried kde 4.2 and switched back to xfce, i couldn't stand the bloat :)
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[06:06] <vdv> hi all
[06:06] <lw0x15> yeah kde is bloated
[06:06] <lw0x15> and it looks like windows to me -.-
[06:06] <xroberx> sure
[06:06] <kjell> Yeah. It looks more to Windows in 4.2 I think
[06:07] <kjell> From what I've seen
[06:07] <Baisuoklis> can some1 tell why filelist not refreshed when i delete a file or directory? i have inotify enabled in kernel, but still i have to press F5 for the list to get refreshed
[06:07] <Soul_keeper> kde is for girls :)
[06:07] <Camarade_Tux> Baisuoklis, which file manager ?
[06:07] <Baisuoklis> i'm using slack 12.2 2.6.28 kernel, kde 3.5.10
[06:07] <lw0x15> Baisuoklis: per naujo instaliuok :))
[06:07] <Baisuoklis> konq
[06:07] <tanamo> kde haters!!!
[06:07] <Baisuoklis> lw0x15: swx
[06:08] <lw0x15> tanamo: lol
[06:08] <Camarade_Tux> Baisuoklis, there's a setting iirc and it may depend on the number of files in the folder
[06:08] <Baisuoklis> Camarade_Tux: how can i set it
[06:09] <Baisuoklis> googling didnt show any usefull results
[06:10] <jkwood> KDE 4.2 is not bloated.  If you don't have the driver support for the compositing, then it may seem that way.
[06:10] <jkwood> On my box, 4.2 is more responsive than 3.5.10 was.
[06:10] <kjell> Ok, so from what I've understood I will need /var /usr /tmp /home /boot /swap. I think that its standard to give /home as much as possible (last step that'd say). How much would /var, /tmp, /usr, /boot need? If you know a good guide for this, I would enjoy reading it.
[06:10] <vdv> i'm trying to start rsync as a deamon on my hosting provider's host, but inspite i specify '-v' option 'rsync --daemon' gives no error msg and also doesn't run
[06:11] <Camarade_Tux> Baisuoklis, go through the konqueror parameters, I can't tell you more precisely since I don't have it here
[06:11] <jkwood> kjell: Standard practice?  I'd make a / and /home partition.
[06:11] <tanamo> i guess so, my laptop only has intel graphics eh,
[06:11] <jkwood> Actually, I made exactly one partition this time.
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[06:12] <kjell> jkwood: Why? If you reinstall with only one partition you will destroy all your personal data and programs? :D
[06:12] <Baisuoklis> Camarade_Tux: k, will look
[06:12] <jkwood> Nope.  You can happily wipe everything BUT /home and call it good.
[06:12] <tanamo> kjell, try to separate /home in a diff partition
[06:13] <kjell> Will that be in my choise when installing later? If I make more partitions? Should that ones be primary aswell then?
[06:13] <jkwood> The main advantage to splitting up the partitions is the ability to put different parts of the filesystem on different physical disks.
[06:14] <kjell> How much should the / be then? And /home? I've got 500GB, haha don't have enough experience in Linux yet to tell for my self.
[06:14] <jkwood> That increases speed and flexibility (if you need more /home space, you can put in a bigger disk.)
[06:15] <tanamo> wow that's a lot of hd space...
[06:15] <jkwood> Well, that really depends on your intentions.  Will you be installing a lot of system software, or will you have a lot of files in your home partition?
[06:15] <jkwood> With 500 gigs, you'd probably be fine with a 50gb /, a reasonable swap partition, and the rest in /home.
[06:16] <kjell> Thanks a lot!
[06:16] <kjell> tanamo: hehe, my friends have 1TB+ in space :p
[06:17] <jkwood> As far as the reasonable swap partition, if you intend to hibernate, make it bigger than your physical memory.  Otherwise, 1 gig ought to be plenty, unless you have a crazy use case.
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[06:17] <kantor> hi
[06:17] <kantor> Makefile question: it is possible to use different CFLAGS setup for different targets in a makefile
[06:17] <kjell> Hehe ok. I've got 2GB ram now. If I plan to run VMs and so, should I have more mem, like 2GB? 4GB?
[06:18] <fred> depends on how much ram you use for whatever you do in the VMs :p
[06:18] <kjell> Hah thats true.
[06:18] Action: fred has a load of XP and slamd64 VMs that are quite happy with 128MB a pop
[06:19] <jkwood> I run my dev VM with 512, and I have 2.5 gigs of ram.
[06:20] <fred> if I ran vista in VMs, however... ¬_¬
[06:20] <kjell> Vista is like KDE 4.2, I won't run it ;)
[06:20] <jkwood> kantor: That's a very interesting question.
[06:22] <jkwood> I'm guessing the answer would be yes, although I imagine it would be quite hacky.
[06:23] <kantor> I tried a lot of thing but without success
[06:26] <Baisuoklis> well, konqueror doesent have any setting to enable filelist refreshing... so how do i enable automatic filelist refresh on file/dir delete?
[06:27] <jkwood> Baisuoklis: I think that might be a question for #kde
[06:27] <tanamo> kantor, how about something like, ifeq target1 CFLAGS = sample endif ifeq target2 CFLAGS = sample2 endif ?
[06:28] <Baisuoklis> i think its inotify related
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[06:30] <biatche> im trying to compile my own kernel, and i get kernel/bounds.c:1 error: code model 'kernel' not supported 32-bit mode ..... what's wrong here? my gcc? am i missing prerequisite?
[06:31] <Baisuoklis> #kde appears to be dead
[06:32] <Baisuoklis> 400 plus users and total silence
[06:32] <kjell> Did you break the silence?
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> ask them what they think about Linus's switch :)
[06:32] <Baisuoklis> yup
[06:33] <xroberx> they might be trying to fix the whole thing ;)
[06:33] <kjell> Linus switch? :D
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[06:33] <tanamo> Baisuoklis, upgrade your kde, i tried it and it's working...
[06:35] <kantor> tanamo, yes that works, thanks  !!
[06:35] <Baisuoklis> tanamo: upgrade to kde 4.x.x?? O_o not going to happen untill Pat moves it from 'testing' :)
[06:35] <tanamo> it's already in there
[06:35] <Baisuoklis> i know
[06:35] <Baisuoklis> its 'testing'
[06:36] <tanamo> ah
[06:36] <Baisuoklis> not 'stable' :)
[06:36] <Baisuoklis> or what ever
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[06:36] <tanamo> kantor, nice :)
[06:36] <Baisuoklis> dont realy like kde4, too vista'ish IMO
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[06:37] <tanamo> another kde4 hater!!!
[06:37] <tanamo> haha
[06:37] <tanamo> :)
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[06:37] <Baisuoklis> lol, i dont have kde4 :)
[06:37] <Baisuoklis> maybe i will give it a try when it gona be 4.5.x something
[06:37] <Baisuoklis> ;)
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[06:43] <lw0x15> ^^
[06:43] <fred> Baisuoklis: wrong timezone
[06:43] <fred> it doesn't get active for another few hours.
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[06:44] <Baisuoklis> fred: hehe, then i'm gonna continue spamming that Q there :)
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[06:44] <fred> Baisuoklis: also, odds are they won't care about that question as it's not a trivial one, and it's 3.5 :p
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[06:45] <Baisuoklis> untill some1 wakes up and either answers my question or kicks me off it :D
[06:45] <Baisuoklis> i remember there was a disscussion here abaut inotify stuff
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[06:46] <Baisuoklis> and some1 apparently had the same prob, and fixed it some how
[06:47] <Baisuoklis> blargh, my english sucks and my typing sucks even more :)
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[06:51] <fred> Baisuoklis: yeah, you especially seem to get the letters 'o', 'n', and 'e' confused with '1'
[06:51] <fred> :p
[06:51] <Baisuoklis> lol
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[06:52] <fred> At least you're not typing 'sum1' :p
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[06:54] <Baisuoklis> acronyms ftw
[06:54] <Baisuoklis> :)
[06:55] <Baisuoklis> or should i say, intertubes speak
[06:58] <fred> "lazyspeak" would be better... you have a full keyboard...
[06:58] <fred> (apologies if you're IRCing from a phone)
[06:59] <stybla> fred: 'sumone' - what's the meaning? :)
[06:59] <alienBOB> someone
[07:00] <stybla> sum1 -> sumone
[07:00] <stybla> :p
[07:00] <stybla> okay
[07:00] <stybla> ...enough trolling.
[07:00] <Baisuoklis> i do have full keyboard, i just miss some keys frequently
[07:00] <Baisuoklis> :)
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[07:02] Action: alienBOB has a cure for trolls
[07:02] <spook> banitis?
[07:02] <alienBOB> Right
[07:02] <spook> too bad you werent around for supernatsomething
[07:02] <alienBOB> stybla was not trolling however ;-)
[07:02] <alienBOB> spook: I banned him yesterday
[07:03] <jkwood> spook: He was present for round two.
[07:03] <spook> yeah nachox didnt.
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[07:03] <alienBOB> He kept spamming me for sometime after that in PM
[07:03] <jkwood> He quit after nachox opped up, as I recall.
[07:03] <spook> even after an hour of telling nixchixor how to raise her unborn child, and trolling slackware, telling people to use linuxpackages.net....
[07:03] <alienBOB> How he had a degree and 11 years of Slackware usage, and that made him better than all the "regulars" in this channel who were nazi dicks
[07:04] <spook> jkwood: nope, he didnt.  he was just more sutble
[07:04] <spook> alienBOB: he was telling fred he was an idiot, after fred explained to him why lp.net was crap.
[07:04] <alienBOB> He threatened to come back and haunt the channel, and also told me he had been k-lined already
[07:04] <spook> i've got it in my logs, i should really noobfarm it
[07:05] <alienBOB> spook: I know I had been following him for days, even when he was still Neo-Zionist
[07:05] <alienBOB> He is a borderline nutcase
[07:05] <spook> in his defense, he did actually help like 2 people out of the 100 or so
[07:06] <jkwood> That did indeed surprise me.
[07:06] <alienBOB> I do not doubt his skills. I banned dagmar as well, he was very skilled as well but a total moron nevertheless
[07:06] <spook> dagmar was hit and miss
[07:07] <spook> more hit than miss, but his misses were quite large
[07:07] <alienBOB> Too bad that some of the brightest people can be so anti-social
[07:07] <spook> i think that all of use are borderline anti-social, conversing on irc
[07:07] <jkwood> Nah.
[07:08] <jkwood> I'm here for the people, myself.
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[07:09] <spook> yeah me too
[07:09] <spook> you guys are awesome :)  { the chicks are even awesomer }
[07:09] <pupit> lol
[07:09] <stybla> alienBOB: i felt like i was :)
[07:10] <spook> currently waiting for my friend to graph some blockspeeds i took of a raid10 array.
[07:10] <spook> should be really really interesting.
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[07:10] <pupit> alienBOB: Too bad that some of the brightest people can be so anti-social ... i was that kind too :(
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[07:11] <jkwood> I don't think anti-social is necessarily a bad thing.  Being a right jerk is, though.
[07:11] <spook> work in IT support for 6 months and you'll become anti-social too
[07:11] <xroberx> yeah
[07:11] <stybla> spook: +1
[07:11] <pupit> in human nature is to be with other people.... jkwood
[07:11] <xroberx> i've been working for two years in IT support now, and i'm almost crazy
[07:12] <stybla> pupit: then i'm not a human.
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[07:12] <pupit> stybla u r a bot.
[07:12] <pupit> :D
[07:12] <jkwood> I've found that the sanest way to deal with stuff like that is to just set boundaries in your life, and keep people from crossing them.
[07:12] <spook> http://koltsoff.com/pub/blockspeed-extra/spook/
[07:12] <jkwood> The easiest way out is to become a hermit, sure.
[07:12] <spook> check that out. the raid10 graphs
[07:13] Nick change: pip_ -> pip
[07:14] <pupit> who wants some chocolate? to cheer u up.. :)
[07:15] <spook> thats 4 1tb disks, raid 10,  2 copies, layout = far
[07:15] <spook> in mdadm, its -p f2
[07:17] <IntangibleLiquid> I'm having KDE-4.1.3 on my 12.2 box now, how do I go about upgrading to 4.2?
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[07:17] <lw0x15> pupit: i want a kebab :(
[07:17] <pupit> hahaha
[07:18] <pupit> i have some burek from serbia. thats quite same.. :D
[07:18] <lw0x15> as long as it has meat pita bread and salad
[07:18] <lw0x15> its gonna do the job
[07:19] <pupit> lw0x15: in that case, i offer some "pljeskavica" :D
[07:19] <lw0x15> o.O
[07:19] <kjell> o.O
[07:19] <alienBOB> IntangibleLiquid: follow directions in /testing/packages/kde4/README of slackware-current
[07:20] <pupit> lw0x15: http://www.coolinarika.com/repository/images/_variations/4/7/47e3b6813be64feb415bfa9a77897fe1_content_large.jpg
[07:20] <IntangibleLiquid> alienBOB, thanks Eric
[07:20] <lw0x15> mmmm
[07:20] <lw0x15> yummy
[07:20] <lw0x15> with chilli as well <3
[07:20] <pupit> indeed..
[07:21] <lw0x15> pupit: you just made me really hungry
[07:22] <pupit> lol
[07:22] <lw0x15> and the kebab shop is like 0.7 miles away
[07:22] <lw0x15> and its snowing and windy now :(
[07:22] <pupit> let the postman do the job..
[07:22] <pupit> or some service..
[07:22] <pupit> :D
[07:22] <lw0x15> the only places that do kebab deliveries are crap ones :-/
[07:23] <pupit> ah..
[07:23] <lw0x15> the ones that put little meat and shit loads of salad
[07:23] <pupit> lw0x15: u jsut have to work-out that kebab-shell and do the kernel by yourself :D
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[07:23] <lw0x15> ok going to see whats for lunch
[07:23] <lw0x15> brb :))
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[07:27] <slackytude> morning
[07:27] <slackytude> time to learn!
[07:27] <kjell> :D
[07:27] <kjell> morning
[07:28] Action: Camarade_Tux waves at slackytude :) 
[07:28] <slackytude> y0 kjell Camarade_Tux
[07:28] <kjell> wasup
[07:28] <slackytude> last day for operating systems, exam tomorrow
[07:28] <kjell> oho!
[07:29] <kjell> What OS?
[07:29] <slackytude> general operating sytsme
[07:29] <kjell> Aha, cool.
[07:29] <slackytude> but a lot of linux stugg in there
[07:29] <slackytude> stuff even
[07:30] Action: slackytude does smoke break
[07:30] <kjell> Ooooh, baby love, my baby love, I need you oh how I need you! *sings*
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[07:36] <stybla> slackytude: study break?
[07:37] <pip> Hello, anyone use terminus font ?
[07:37] <slackytude> stybla, in a sense
[07:38] <slackytude> just starting in fact ^-^
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[07:53] <stybla> slackytude: yeah, me too.
[07:54] <slackytude> stybla, with what?
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[07:54] <stybla> slackytude: micro-economics.
[07:55] <slackytude> O_o
[07:55] <slackytude> you are playing starcraft?
[07:55] <lw0x15> starcraft <3
[07:55] <[Bop]> wacraft III <3
[07:56] Action: lw0x15 has original starcraft box set
[07:56] Action: [Bop] had once warcarft III box set , but sold it 
[07:56] <stybla> slackytude: i was ... llloonnng time ago.
[07:57] <[Bop]> it run on linux trought wine !
[07:57] <[Bop]> with OpenGL
[07:57] <stybla> eh?
[07:58] <stybla> oh, w3
[07:58] <[Bop]> talking to me ?
[07:58] <stybla> :)
[07:58] <[Bop]> yes
[07:58] <stybla> [Bop]: yeah, but i thought you said: sc + OpenGL :)
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[07:58] <[Bop]> no , wine + warcraft III + openGL
[07:58] <[Bop]> works 99% well :)
[07:58] <stybla> indeed it does.
[07:59] <[Bop]> u played it too ?
[07:59] <stybla> yep, also - very long time ago.
[07:59] <stybla> when i was young. :s
[07:59] <[Bop]> u used the openGL parameter ?
[08:00] <[Bop]> if u just run wine war3.exe , it will run in DirectX mode
[08:00] <stybla> let me check
[08:00] <josemanuel> what's the recommended way to set up date and time in slackware? i used ntpdate for a while, but heard it was discouraged
[08:01] <[Bop]> ntp is widely used
[08:01] <[Bop]> cant understand why its discouraged
[08:01] <josemanuel> i heard something about security issues
[08:02] <[Bop]> use it as client , with a trusted ntp server , cannot fail :p
[08:02] <fred> ntpd is a better choice.
[08:02] <stybla> [Bop]: hm, no - no opengl parameter.
[08:03] <[Bop]> stybla, maybe next time :)
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[08:03] <[Bop]> u will see the difference in graphics
[08:03] <stybla> [Bop]: what kind of difference? shoot parameter at me and i'll check it out ;)
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[08:03] <[Bop]> wait , let me re-check
[08:04] <stybla> [Bop]: it says 1280x1024x32 and afaik it looked okay and running smooth.
[08:04] <[Bop]> stybla, wine war3.exe -opengl
[08:10] <stybla> [Bop]: it looks like it's running a bit faster.
[08:10] <[Bop]> stybla, yep , i think so
[08:10] <[Bop]> if u got a good graphics card , of course
[08:11] <[Bop]> and the graphics also improved
[08:11] <[Bop]> i prefer opengl on dx
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[08:12] <stybla> [Bop]: well, i have gf7.6k or something like that. graphics look almost same, brighter with ogl, but same.
[08:12] <[Bop]> geforce 7600 gs
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[08:13] <stybla> yeh
[08:13] <stybla> GeForce 7600 GT
[08:13] <[Bop]> i think u can do /fps command in game , to check fps
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[08:13] <[Bop]> frozen throne , latest patch
[08:13] <[Bop]> 1.21 , i tihnk
[08:13] <[Bop]> will have that
[08:14] <[Bop]> dunno about other versions
[08:14] <stybla> 1.20c
[08:14] <stybla> i don't play the game
[08:14] <[Bop]> there's new patches available
[08:14] <stybla> actuall, i somehow forgotten i have it :)
[08:15] <[Bop]> lol
[08:15] <stybla> +y
[08:15] <[Bop]> u have frozen throne also ?
[08:15] <stybla> yep
[08:15] <[Bop]> wanna sell it ? :p
[08:15] <stybla> *cough*
[08:16] <stybla> not really.
[08:16] <[Bop]> ok , no problem
[08:16] <[Bop]> :)
[08:16] <stybla> ;)
[08:16] <[Bop]> but i still prefer opengl graphics
[08:16] <[Bop]> i dont have it now to check again
[08:16] <[Bop]> but as far as i remembered , it had some difference
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[08:17] <stybla> well, dunno.
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[08:18] <[Bop]> stybla, u play with which race ?
[08:19] <[Bop]> or played *
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[08:20] <stybla> [Bop]: i haven't played that w3 that much. we've played it at lan parties. i guess, humans. dunno :)
[08:20] <[Bop]> oh ok
[08:20] <gtl> my laptop seems to heat a lot, how do i set acpi?
[08:21] <[Bop]> clean the dust will do better for you than acpi
[08:21] <stybla> [Bop]: i don't remember any remarkable victories in W3*, so i'd say i've sucked at the game :p
[08:21] <[Bop]> lol ok
[08:22] <[Bop]> i did some great games , 2 vs 2
[08:22] <stybla> i've liked the mods though. tower defense and so on.
[08:22] <[Bop]> used to play with a friend
[08:22] <gtl> [Bop], thanks, but i figure it's dust free
[08:22] <stybla> i see.
[08:23] <stybla> friends have tried to pull me in, but they('ve) play(ed) only dota.
[08:23] <[Bop]> ugh , dont like dota
[08:23] <[Bop]> just normal mod
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[08:24] <Camarade_Tux> gtl, run 'lsmod |grep acpi'
[08:24] <stybla> i see.
[08:25] <stybla> [Bop]: i've played some tower defenses when i was at my parents home and had time to do so.
[08:25] <[Bop]> just played td once
[08:26] <[Bop]> yeah , i dont have time also , now
[08:26] <[Bop]> it sucks when u need to work to live :p
[08:26] <gtl> Camarade_Tux, nothig
[08:27] <gtl> nothing*
[08:27] <[Bop]> gtl, como vai o brasil ?
[08:27] <[Bop]> :D
[08:27] <gtl> [Bop], tem jogo hoje?
[08:27] <stybla> [Bop]: haha, yeah. but it's not only about this. i somewhat got tired of playing at pc.
[08:27] <[Bop]> gtl, jogo de que ?
[08:28] <stybla> i'm off to study :s
[08:28] <[Bop]> stybla, its better for strategy games than console
[08:28] <[Bop]> ok bye now
[08:28] <gtl> [Bop], achei que falavas de futebol
[08:28] <stybla> 50 + 118 pages of <text> (read as = smelly and not good; senseless; worthless).
[08:28] <gtl> [Bop], está quente!
[08:28] <[Bop]> gtl, aqui esta muito frio ! bem melhor ai
[08:28] <stybla> [Bop]: yeah, but ... i used to like more than strategies ;)
[08:29] <stybla> anyway, bbl.
[08:29] <[Bop]> bye
[08:29] <stybla> cu
[08:29] <[Bop]> cu means ass in my country
[08:29] <[Bop]> lol :x
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[08:34] <stybla> [Bop]: ok, see you. sorry.
[08:34] Action: stybla slaps his face - twice.
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[08:35] <[Bop]> :)
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[08:40] <Camarade_Tux> gtl, sorry was busy : try 'modprobe acpi-cpufreq'
[08:41] <gtl> Camarade_Tux, done
[08:41] <Camarade_Tux> forgot to ask : what's your cpu ?
[08:42] <gtl> hold
[08:42] <gtl> intel Core 2 Duo T7500
[08:43] <Camarade_Tux> now 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor '
[08:45] <gtl> for cpu1 as well?
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[08:46] <Camarade_Tux> gtl, no, for your cpu, both are linked
[08:46] <pip> Camarade_Tux, dual core != dual cpu
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[08:47] <Camarade_Tux> not sure about the terminology but for this processor family, cpuX are linked afaik
[08:48] <gtl> ok
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[08:48] <straterra> linked?
[08:48] <straterra> in what way?
[08:48] <Camarade_Tux> for the governor used
[08:49] <Camarade_Tux> when one frequency changes, the other changes too
[08:49] <straterra> eh?
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[08:49] <straterra> I'm pretty sure the newer Core 2's can adjust core frequency independently
[08:49] <pip> sorry, wrong target
[08:50] <Camarade_Tux> it's written in one of the sysfs file, I just can't find which one
[08:50] <pip> they do, that's not in your control domain
[08:50] <Camarade_Tux> and T7XXX are not the newest ones but that may be possible
[08:52] <gtl> Camarade_Tux, so scaling_governor still good ...? :)
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[08:53] <limac> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher      klauncher(3121) kdemain: No DBUS session-bus found. Check if you have started the DBUS server.       kdeinit4: Communication error with launcher. Exiting
[08:54] <limac> any body familiar with that? I can't open any apps as root in KDE 4.2.
[08:54] <limac> but as reg users it's fine.
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[08:55] <limac> nm, I forgot to read the second line, maybe starting DBUS would help. :P
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[08:57] <hba> good morning! :)
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[08:58] <limac> hey there hba. :)
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[08:59] <Camarade_Tux> gtl, basically yes
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[08:59] <gtl> Camarade_Tux, thanks!
[09:00] <Camarade_Tux> you have ways to automate that (and graphical ways to set the governor)
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[09:01] <gtl> have that echo on /etc/rc.d/rc.local?
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[09:01] <Camarade_Tux> you have rc.modules for acpi-cpufreq
[09:02] <gtl> true, i had forgotten rc.modules
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[09:04] <limac> do we need to reboot after editing something in profile.d?
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[09:04] <alienBOB> logout and login again limac
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[09:06] <limac> alienBOB: roger that! ;)
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[09:07] <xroberx> oh, the BOFH !!! you are my idol ! :)
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[09:08] <pip> Do I have to install m17n-lib package ?
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[09:09] <gtl> ty all
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[09:10] <limac> is this part of my qt4.sh okay? http://pastebin.com/m5be27a2d
[09:10] <fred> you don't need to set $QTDIR or $QT4DIR for qt4.
[09:10] <limac> or do I need to change the if [ -d /usr/lib/qt ]; then line to if [ -d /usr/lib/qt4 ]; then ?
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[09:11] <fred> the whole blob is unneccessary :p
[09:11] <limac> fred: but then it is not launching qdbus.
[09:11] <fred> with what error?
[09:12] <limac> http://pastebin.com/m3b4637c1
[09:12] <fred> ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus
[09:13] <limac> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1740 2008-12-13 20:14 /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus
[09:14] <fred> and, the pastebined output of ps aux | grep dbus ?
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[09:15] <alienBOB> limac: you su-ed to root and then got that error?
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[09:15] <limac> fred: http://pastebin.com/m6cce3a44
[09:15] <limac> alienBOB: yup.
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[09:17] <alienBOB> limac: using "su" or "su -" or "sudo" or started a root process using "sudo -i" or "sudo -s" ?
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[09:17] <alienBOB> And examples of programs you tried to start?
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[09:19] <limac> alienBOB: I used 'su' 'su -i' and 'su -' ('su -' was giving me: cannot connect to X'), I tried launching Kate, kwrite, konqueror, and amarok gave me: <unknown program name>(3622)/: KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server.
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[09:20] <alienBOB> Yes, all these KDE programs try to use the dbus and kde sockets opened by your normal user, and they can not connect to them
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[09:22] <alienBOB> limac: try running your program with "kdesu kwrite" as your normal user
[09:23] <limac> alienBOB: that works.
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[09:26] <pip> which works fast, wxGTK or wxPython ?
[09:26] <pip> *faster
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[09:28] <limac> alienBOB: but su su -i etc. worked with KDE 3.5.10, but KDE 4.2 doesn't seem to do the job. :S
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[09:31] <nachox> pip, wxpython are bindings to wxgtk. And i wouldnt worry about it, the latency of gui based applications is mostly user latency
[09:31] <pip> which is faster and smaller /
[09:32] <nachox> you need wxgtk in both cases
[09:32] <nachox> wxpython is just a way to use wxgtk with python
[09:33] <pip> nachox, Do you use terminus font ?
[09:34] <nachox> nope
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[10:36] <stybla> a little bit off-topic, but good video though - http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/400/ << Steve Wozniak tells the tale of Apple's early years;
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[10:39] <lw0x15> gonna take a look
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[10:40] <lw0x15> stybla: tempted to press full screen
[10:40] <lw0x15> but i guess firefox gonna crash
[10:40] <lw0x15> :D
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[10:44] <stybla> lw0x15: yes, that's more than probable. i've just watched in window.
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[10:49] <xroberx> lw0x15, does firefox crashes with full screen flash video always ? or is it a video card driver issue ?
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[10:50] <stybla> xroberx: it does for me with proprietary nv driver.
[10:50] <xroberx> yeah, same here
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[10:51] <xroberx> nvidia drivers, doesn't matter which version, i've tried 177.x , 180.22, 180.27
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[10:53] <stybla> well, i didn't bother to look for correct driver. i hate flash and i'm happy with watching pr0n in "small" window :p
[10:53] <xroberx> lol
[10:53] <stybla> ;)
[10:53] <xroberx> install flashgot (firefox addon) and download the videos first,then you can watch pr0n fullscreen :-)
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[10:55] <stybla> hm, sounds tempting :p
[10:55] Action: stybla notes
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[10:55] <stybla> xroberx, the problem is those videos are in low quality, thus making it fullscreen -> one big pixel.
[10:56] <dissociative> does suspend to disk takes all the power off from the computer?
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[10:56] <jonsmith1982> xroberx, i have that problem, turn off hardware acceleration in flash settings.
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[10:57] <dissociative> I tried suspend to disk in slackware with my PC and the power was shut off completely
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[10:57] <stybla> dissociative: is that wrong?
[10:58] <Cann0n> dissociative, did it come back when you hit the power?
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[10:58] <stybla> dissociative: haven't you mistaken RAM and disk?
[10:58] <dissociative> stybla: no
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[10:58] <dissociative> my system doesnt support suspend to ram as far as I know
[10:58] <stybla> dissociative: well, sounds fine by me; suspend to disk -> poweroff.
[10:59] <LSD`> sounds like you want suspend to ram
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[10:59] <stybla> exactly.
[10:59] <dissociative> no, I was just testing the suspend states
[10:59] <stybla> ah. then it's okay :)
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[11:00] <xroberx> jonsmith1982, that did the work, thanks
[11:00] <dissociative> how do I bring back the system from suspend to disk correctly? I just used the power button but the system started as powered from a cold boot
[11:01] <tank-man> dissociative, do you have a swap partition and proper lilo.conf setup?
[11:01] <stybla> there are parameters for lilo (?)
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[11:02] <dissociative> I have a swap partition, but I dont know if there are any lilo specific parameters
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[11:04] <stybla> i'm in no mood to google for it, sorry. :|
[11:04] <Cann0n> dissociative, suspends + linux still need some work
[11:05] <Cann0n> it varies on hardware. it works for me but my LCD never comes back on
[11:05] <tank-man> works fine on supported hardware
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[11:05] <tank-man> Cann0n, what is the script you use?
[11:05] <Cann0n> yeah
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[11:06] <Cann0n> tank-man, sleep.sh
[11:06] <tank-man> you need to use chvt maybe
[11:06] <tank-man> inside the script
[11:06] <Cann0n> paste bin yours
[11:06] <dissociative> http://www.linux.com/articles/54610
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[11:06] <Cann0n> ive tried many scripts
[11:07] <tank-man> i only have it setup on my laptop, one sec
[11:07] <Cann0n> the closet i get calls sleep 2 && echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep
[11:09] <dissociative> isnt that for 2.4 kernels?
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[11:09] <Cann0n> it works iirc. getting back in the hard part
[11:12] <Camarade_Tux> echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep, works, I'm using it
[11:12] <Camarade_Tux> or rather I was using it when I was using the nvidia graphic driver
[11:12] <tank-man> http://rafb.net/p/MT1HUc44.html
[11:12] <stybla> Cann0n: i have no problems with suspending lappy from cmd line, but that's me. :)
[11:12] <Camarade_Tux> (I've repented now)
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[11:13] <tank-man> Cann0n, lines 3 , 9 and 10 might not be needed
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[11:14] <Cann0n> ive tried echo -n "disk" > /sys/power/state as well
[11:14] <HackSign> hi rooms,i installed slackware on my usb stick,but when i start os from usb,i got an error
[11:14] <slackytude> I cant stand it no more
[11:15] <HackSign> unable to mout root fs unkown-block(8,1)
[11:15] <HackSign> i searched it on the internet . it seems that i should have to recompile the kernel in order to include the support
[11:16] <HackSign> anybody can tell me how will i compile the kernel ?
[11:16] <dissociative> HackSign: what kind of kernel is it booting
[11:16] <dissociative> generic or huge?
[11:16] <Old_Fogie> HackSign, it's not slax right? :)
[11:16] <tank-man> HackSign, probably needs usb modules
[11:17] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,haha ,right
[11:17] <stybla> slackytude: studies? :)
[11:17] <slackytude> aye
[11:17] <stybla> hehe
[11:17] <HackSign> i've tried many many distributions ... i got the same error
[11:17] <slackytude> Its enought
[11:17] <stybla> slackytude: i've hardly studied today :s
[11:17] <stybla> well, off to read more.
[11:17] <HackSign> dissociative,em..... generic i think...
[11:18] <HackSign> dissociative,just i think....
[11:18] <Old_Fogie> HackSign, there's a readme for usb which uses DD and sets up the thumbdrive to boot the Slackware installer off the USB stick.  Did you follow that? Need the link?
[11:18] <slackytude> stybla, me neither, just making my note. I should be fine but I dont want to anymore
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[11:18] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,link plz...:)
[11:18] <Old_Fogie> k
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[11:19] <Old_Fogie> HackSign, ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT
[11:19] <Old_Fogie> HackSign, all the files you'll need are in the same directory as that README_USB.TXT file as well.
[11:20] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,ok,i'll read it first c u later :)
[11:20] <Old_Fogie> ok
[11:22] <lw0x15> stybla: pretty interesting. everytime i watch something like that. makes me want to do something new or try to learn something new :]]
[11:23] <stybla> lw0x15: well, it made me ... i just feel like a dummy who knows pretty much nothing.
[11:23] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,em.....i think u misunderstand me :)
[11:23] <Old_Fogie> HackSign, oh?
[11:24] <lw0x15> stybla: dude woz got his ham license in 6th grade..
[11:24] <lw0x15> that guy is more than a genius
[11:24] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,i have already installed slackware on my usb stick
[11:24] <stybla> lw0x15: i know :s
[11:24] <Old_Fogie> HackSign, using that howto?
[11:24] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,when i boot my computer from that ....
[11:24] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,no~~
[11:24] <stybla> lw0x15: i have iq comparable to dish washer ;(
[11:24] <stybla> lw0x15: anyway, i share your point :)
[11:24] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,use setup command
[11:25] <Old_Fogie> HackSign, oh I've never 'installed' Slack to a thumbdrive, I thought you were trying to install from a thumbdrive.
[11:25] <stybla> lw0x15: i guess the problem is to have good and new ideas.
[11:25] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,em...:(i want install an linux os into my usb stick
[11:26] <stybla> lw0x15: i mean, you can do pretty much anything - but what?
[11:27] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,i juste can not boot my pc from it.the error is:No filesystem could mount root,tried:reiserfs ext3 ext2 msdos vfat iso9660
[11:27] <Old_Fogie> HackSign, ah yes I see.  I don't know of any links, howto's off top of my head for Slackware to do it, maybe someone else here might.  I can't recall ever hearing if it's been done either now I think of it.
[11:27] <stybla> lw0x15: and don't take it like i'm bored or something - i always have things to do, but - it's nothing new ... well, whatever.
[11:27] <HackSign> Kernel panic not syncing:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(8,1)
[11:27] <Old_Fogie> HackSign, sounds like an initrd issue, are you using the generic / generic-smp kernel
[11:27] <[Bop]> HackSign, u used syslinux ?
[11:27] <Cann0n> tank-man, oh yeah, that script doesnt work here
[11:27] <HackSign> [Bop],no~~~
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[11:27] <BP{k}> Old_Fogie: he said he "thinks" he was using the generic.
[11:28] <[Bop]> cause usb boot in a particular way
[11:28] <lw0x15> stybla: yeah i know (:
[11:28] <lw0x15> BP{k}: ello
[11:28] <HackSign> [Bop]syslinux uses a special kernel right ?
[11:28] <BP{k}> lw0x15: morning ;)
[11:28] <tank-man> Cann0n, what happend? same as before? no lcd display?
[11:28] <Cann0n> doesnt even work at all
[11:28] <tank-man> what do you mean
[11:28] <[Bop]> HackSign, no , syslinux is a bootloader ,it will boot whatever your kernel is
[11:28] <HackSign> Old_Fogie,ok,thx :)
[11:29] <tank-man> Cann0n, do you also have the proper lilo setup ?
[11:29] <stybla> lw0x15: but i had no idea woz did so many things.
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[11:29] <Cann0n> ...
[11:29] <HackSign> [Bop],em...i think my boot loader has been  executed....
[11:29] <Cann0n> tank-man, explain proper
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[11:30] <tank-man> Cann0n, example line from my lilo.conf is: append=" resume=/dev/sda6"
[11:30] <HackSign> [Bop],did u install a os on usb stick before ?
[11:30] <[Bop]> no
[11:30] <[Bop]> but i've read about it
[11:31] <HackSign> [Bop],i read it too.
[11:31] <tank-man> Cann0n, and sda6 is my swap
[11:31] <Cann0n> tank-man, i dont seem to have resume=
[11:31] <HackSign> Ok,i'll have a try :)
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[11:34] <Cann0n> tank-man, hmmm
[11:35] <Cann0n> i will restart
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[11:35] <Adol> Sora hates you HackSign
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[11:36] <fred> HackSign: gah, I've got the .hack//sign theme tune stuck in my head now :(
[11:37] <HackSign> fred,lol
[11:37] <fred> Is your name actually a reference to that series?
[11:37] <HackSign> fred,no~~~not exactly :)
[11:37] <Adol> a decent series tho
[11:38] <HackSign> fred,i just combined two english words~:)
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[11:38] <biatche> I'm not familiar with lilo.. If i wanna change the default kernel in lilo do i just need to modify the default part in /etc/lilo.conf (which dont appear to be enough)
[11:39] <Adol> yes and you also have to run lilo afterwards
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[11:39] <Old_Fogie> biatche, I recommend you leave the default kernel lines there as is, and simply add a new section for your new kernel in the lilo file (and dont remove any of the existing kernel files on the system until you tested booting into the new kernel)
[11:40] <biatche> thats what i wanna do
[11:40] <biatche> err no
[11:40] <Adol> know*
[11:40] <biatche> its like this, the server monitor is dead
[11:40] Action: adrenaline seconds Old_Fogie 
[11:40] <biatche> either i get another monitor to point to this kernel
[11:40] Action: Adol thirds Old_Fogie
[11:41] <biatche> (manually point)
[11:41] <tank-man> biatche, and when the new kernel doesnt work?
[11:41] <biatche> or i change the default lilo entry
[11:41] <biatche> then ill get another monitor
[11:41] <Old_Fogie> biatche, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding  <-- good howto
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[11:42] <biatche> and actually, ill keep it simple
[11:42] <biatche> there is a working kernel already
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[11:42] <biatche> i just wanna point it to this
[11:42] <biatche> how do i do that?
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[11:43] <tank-man> look at your current lilo.conf and copy a section of it and modify that section to point to your new kernel
[11:43] <Old_Fogie> biatche, you can have a gazillion kernels on the system, and gazillion entries in lilo.  Slack's not like debian with a symlink in / if that's what you mean.  Are you asking how to "assign" a "default" kernel to be booted in /etc/lilo.conf file?
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[11:44] <biatche> there are 3 kernels here
[11:44] <biatche> eiteher i point them manually during boot up
[11:44] <biatche> or i change the default now
[11:45] <lw0x15> what does "tide" mean ?
[11:45] <Old_Fogie> biatche, so have a discrete/unique name for the kernel you want to boot from in /etc/lilo.conf file ; and in the /etc/lilo.conf file have a line something like : default = vmlinuz-2.6.whatever ; then run 'lilo' as root and reboot.
[11:46] <stybla> lw0x15: sea raise
[11:46] <Old_Fogie> biatche, the link I gave you walks you thru adding a kernel in /etc/lilo.conf if you have questions on that, and how to install the kernel in the right place
[11:46] <stybla> lw0x15: ummm ... errr :)
[11:47] <lw0x15> stybla: turn the tide..
[11:47] <lw0x15> turn the sea raise :o
[11:47] <BP{k}> lw0x15: raise the thames barrier!!!
[11:47] <lw0x15> :o
[11:47] <stybla> lw0x15: does it?
[11:47] <lw0x15> friend asked what turn the tide means
[11:47] <lw0x15> and i have no idea :|
[11:47] <stybla> well, me neither :(
[11:48] <stybla> i know only 'sea tide' (and i can hardly explain it back in english), but 'turn the tide' ...
[11:49] <BP{k}> "cause a complete reversal of the circumstances"
[11:49] <BP{k}> " to reverse the course of events, esp. from one extreme to another"
[11:49] <stybla> i was about to say something like that.
[11:49] <BP{k}> but you didn't.
[11:49] <BP{k}> ;-)
[11:50] <lw0x15> :))
[11:50] <lw0x15> cheers BP{k}
[11:50] <stybla> i was looking for the answer. oh, i'm sorry english isn't my primary language ... fs!
[11:50] <XGizzmo_> I see BP{k}'s coffee kicked in.
[11:50] <stybla> :)
[11:50] <lw0x15> :D
[11:50] <BP{k}> XGizzmo_: haha .. you're right.
[11:50] <BP{k}> stybla: mine neither. :)
[11:50] <lw0x15> mines neither!
[11:51] <stybla> BP{k}: i prefer dictionary and m-w rather than googling => takes time.
[11:51] <BP{k}> ...
[11:51] <BP{k}> uhm .. okay.
[11:51] <stybla> whatever :s
[11:51] <slackytude> stybla, still learning, eh?
[11:51] <stybla> slackytude: yeah, i'm "learning" ;)
[11:51] <stybla> slackytude: like page 13 out of 118.
[11:52] <slackytude> ^-^
[11:52] <slackytude> ouch
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[11:52] <slackytude> I wanna go home and order pizza
[11:52] <slackytude> fourth day of pizza service in a row
[11:52] Action: lw0x15 is waiting for steak with potatoes to be done
[11:52] <stybla> ok, i'm going to read some more. | i want to do something productive, which studies are not.
[11:52] <slackytude> Id rather sleep now
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[11:53] <stybla> slackytude: and that's another thing. i'm getting sleepy from this micro-crap.
[11:53] <slackytude> heh, yeah
[11:53] <stybla> however, i can recommend it to anybody who has trouble with sleeping.
[11:53] <slackytude> lol
[11:53] <stybla> one or two pages and you are dead.
[11:53] Action: Camarade_Tux feels like ordering a pizza too
[11:54] <D-r_Flower> hi all, i need a little bit help with src2pkg
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[11:54] <slackytude> some 100+ pages of scheduling algorithems for page swapping can make one sleepy too
[11:54] <stybla> hehe :)
[11:54] <thumbs> D-r_Flower: slackware ships with src2pkg?
[11:54] <D-r_Flower> i want to pack rkhunter wich have install.sh file
[11:54] <D-r_Flower> :)
[11:55] <BP{k}> D-r_Flower: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/rkhunter/
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[11:55] <slackytude> I mean, just page the damn page out. just do it and stop bugging me about it
[11:55] <hitest> slackbuilds.org has rkhunter
[11:55] <nachox> rkhunter sucks
[11:55] <hitest> dang BP{k} beat me:)
[11:55] <stybla> nachox: does it?
[11:55] <D-r_Flower> BP{k}: thanks, i searched it last wekk and not found there
[11:55] <lw0x15> hitest: BP{k} always beats everyone
[11:55] <stybla> nachox: do you know something better, you would eventually recommend?
[11:56] <BP{k}> lw0x15: that's how I roll. ;)
[11:56] <nachox> yes, it's a really simple shell script that does nothing really useful
[11:56] <lw0x15> BP{k}: :))
[11:57] <hitest> breakfast:)  gtg
[11:57] <nachox> stybla, i used to use aide to check the integrity of my system files when i used linux
[11:57] <slackytude> md5sum ^-^
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[11:58] <biatche> ok thanks
[11:58] <BP{k}> D-r_Flower: rkhunter was added to our repository on "ed May 14 18:29:32 UTC 2008"
[11:58] <biatche> that line didnt seem enough
[11:58] <biatche> i wonder why
[11:59] <Old_Fogie> biatche, pastebin lilo.conf ?
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[12:05] <lw0x15> woah its february already
[12:06] <lw0x15> sneaked up ;-/
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[12:09] <biatche> Old_Fogie: here?
[12:10] <biatche> pastebin.com/m36239346
[12:11] <biatche> previously it was s64 kernel, im trying to get it to boot to s32
[12:12] <Camarade_Tux> does anyone here have an ebook or something similar ?
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[12:13] <tank-man> biatche, did you run lilo after editing your config file ?
[12:13] <biatche> no
[12:14] <biatche> am i supposed to?
[12:14] <hba> :)
[12:14] <biatche> lol
[12:14] <biatche> grub wasnt that way
[12:14] <biatche> haha
[12:14] <Camarade_Tux> that's lilo ;)
[12:14] <tank-man> yea, someone above aready told you that
[12:14] <Camarade_Tux> and add 'compact' somewhere in your config :)
[12:14] <tank-man> already
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[12:15] <tank-man> if you are familiar with grub, why switch to lilo ?
[12:15] <biatche> i missed it
[12:15] <biatche> hahaa...
[12:15] <biatche> ok
[12:15] <biatche> thanks
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[12:15] <biatche> sorry lol
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[12:16] <hitest> lol
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[12:17] <DoktoRN> Hello there guys, have anyone of you gotten vmware server to work on yer slackware 12.2 systems?
[12:18] <adrenaline> IF I want to upgrade kde in slackware do I have to remove the old kde or can I upgrade what I have?
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[12:19] <kevman> Ive got Virtualbox running quite nicely in 12.2
[12:19] <DoktoRN> kevman: I'm gonna need vmware, since I need to run x64 OS's
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[12:19] <slackytude> me mate has slack 12.2 in virtualpc
[12:20] <slackytude> DoktoRN, recent vmwares need pam
[12:20] <DoktoRN> erhm pam? ;) (gah)
[12:20] <slackytude> aye
[12:21] <Khratos> Good afternoon
[12:21] <slackytude> if nullboy is here, you can ask him for his pam packages/slackbuilds
[12:21] <DoktoRN> slackytude: yeah cause I can't find pam on slackbuilds.org
[12:21] <slackytude> heh, no you cant
[12:22] <BP{k}> heh.
[12:22] <DoktoRN> what is pam? anyway
[12:22] <kevman> Yup, heres a guide that looks fairly easy - http://cplusplus.org/slackware/YaBB.pl?num=1193781571
[12:22] <BP{k}> Pluggable Authentication Modules
[12:22] <slackytude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_Authentication_Modules
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[12:23] <BP{k}> DoktoRN: the reason why SBo doesn't host pam and most likely never will, is (i think, and I may well be wrong) that pam requires a much more deeper intergration into the system than just 1 or 2 packages.
[12:23] <slackytude> 14 I think
[12:24] <DoktoRN> kevman: that link doesn't work
[12:24] <DoktoRN> BP{k}: ok, thanks for the explanation
[12:24] <Camarade_Tux> lol@the spam at the end of the cplusplus.org page ^^
[12:24] <BP{k}> to use it sucsessfully you need to recompile quite a number of packages as well. (but ask nullboy about it, he has made a working pam install in a vm IIRC)
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[12:24] <DoktoRN> BP{k}: does he hang out here?
[12:24] <kevman> wierd... it worked for me..
[12:25] <slackytude> DoktoRN, yes
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[12:25] <kevman> Heh, yeah the spam is great.
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[12:25] <DoktoRN> thanks I'll guess I'll be back
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[12:31] <kjell> Hai!
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[12:38] <kjell> I've been thinking of installing Zend Studio for eclipse on Slackware. Does anyone have any experience with it and installing it on slack?
[12:39] <PaddyMac> After quite some time of compiling swfdec, it failed. I was using the SlackBuild. Can anyone figure out what went wrong? http://pastebin.com/d7e56226b
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[12:41] <kjell> PaddyMac: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/swfdec/2008-April/001324.html
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[12:41] <kjell> PaddyMac: Might that help?
[12:41] <PaddyMac> I'll look.
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[12:44] <PaddyMac> It looks like the same problem. I'll give it a try. Too bad it'll take several minutes to find out if it works.
[12:45] <PaddyMac> I appreciate your help. Thanks.
[12:45] <kjell> PaddyMac: Yeah, it looks like the same so lets hope for the best.
[12:45] <kjell> PaddyMac: No problem!
[12:45] <slcsh> have anyone here got hibernation stuff working with sw?
[12:45] <PaddyMac> I feel like a real lazy sob today.
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[12:46] <gtl> is it worthy compiling kernel or it really doesn't makde difference?
[12:46] <PaddyMac> I haven't tried hibernation yet. I do know that when I choose "shut down" the PC does not automatically power off like it should.
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[12:48] <PaddyMac> gtl: If you ask 100 people you'll get 100 different answers. I recompiled mine and I think there is a difference. Indeed there is a benefit, but is it worth the time or is it a negligible increase. I don't know.
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[12:48] <gtl> PaddyMac, thanks for your insight
[12:49] <PaddyMac> PaddyMac: Of course, even if there isn't much increase in performance, it would be a good learning experience to find out how to do it.
[12:49] <slcsh> PaddyMac, neither compiling my kernel i get this stuff working...
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[12:50] <ttyX> can i install grub later from the dvd if i skip lilo?
[12:50] Nick change: u -> arktvrvs
[12:50] <gtl> PaddyMac, that's very true.
[12:50] <PaddyMac> This is the guide that worked best for me: http://pushebp.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/a-quick-intro-to-compiling-linux-kernel-26231-in-slackware-120/
[12:51] <gtl> PaddyMac, thanks again!
[12:51] <PaddyMac> I only compiled my first kernel a couple of weeks ago, and it took me a week of trying to get it right. Then once I succeeded it was so simple.
[12:51] <alienBOB> ttyX: if you skip lilo during install your computer will not boot Slackware
[12:52] <ttyX> I know but i can start from the commandline later right?
[12:52] <alienBOB> Start what
[12:52] <ttyX> slackware??
[12:52] <alienBOB> Not if you do not install lilo
[12:53] <alienBOB> You can install grub later if you want but during install you must install lilo, or else you will have to keep using your bootable CD/DVD to boot into your Slackware
[12:53] <ttyX> so later on grub will take over?
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[12:54] <PaddyMac> ttyX: Maybe if you use a live distro that can allow you to mount the hard drive you could later install GRUB without installing LILO first. But I installed GRUB on my Slackware installation, and I just installed LILO when I installed Slackware and then instalkled GRUB once I knew I had a working system.
[12:54] <gtl> I haven't compiled a kernel in well over a year
[12:55] <ttyX> I've got many live distros here but maybe i'll go the safe way and install lilo first
[12:55] <PaddyMac> gtl: The most gruelling part is configuring your kernel options. I started off using "make menuconfig" but "make xconfig" is much easier.
[12:55] <gtl> ttyX, and lilo's quite easy to understand
[12:55] <FriedBob> PaddyMac: I like to use make randconfig
[12:56] <ttyX> it just takes a lotta time on this system
[12:56] <ttyX> grub boots fine
[12:57] <PaddyMac> FriedBob: I haven't tried that, but one day when I have some time I want to try doing "allnoconfig" and then enabling the bare minimum for my hardware to see how that goes.
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[12:57] <gtl> PaddyMac, you'll sure learn a lot from allnoconfig
[12:57] <PaddyMac> gtl: I'm sure.
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[12:57] <PaddyMac> gtl: I hope teh compile time will be faster too.
[12:59] <gtl> PaddyMac, probably will
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[13:00] <PaddyMac> kjell: Well, it still failed with "./swfdec.SlackBuild --enable-maintainer-mode"
[13:01] <PaddyMac> I may just give up and go with Adobe flash.
[13:01] <adrenaline> I booted up this morning and no sound all of a sudden. Any ideas on how to start to diagnose
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[13:01] <PaddyMac> adrenaline: Did you get any error messages?
[13:02] Action: duryodhan is ashamed to admit that he dabbled in ubuntu for a while ... how does he do penance ?
[13:02] <adrenaline> nope
[13:02] <adrenaline> like sound works but no sound
[13:02] <adrenaline> it is not muted
[13:02] <arktvrvs> adrenaline: thats only happened to me when my sound card died.
[13:02] <arktvrvs> ymmv
[13:02] <PaddyMac> adrenaline: Have you made any changes to your setup -- no matter how seemingly insignificant?
[13:02] <adrenaline> I installed a web cam yesterday but it didn't work
[13:03] <adrenaline> I mean a web cam driver
[13:03] <adrenaline> I suppose that could have hosed something
[13:03] <duryodhan> teh drive modified the kernel ?
[13:03] <adrenaline> maybe
[13:03] <duryodhan> adrenaline .. try it with the huge kernel ...
[13:03] <adrenaline> ok
[13:03] <duryodhan> it doesn't use modules so shouldn't be hosed that easily
[13:03] <PaddyMac> Or it could have modified some settings.
[13:03] <PaddyMac> Maybe it altered some ALSA settings.
[13:04] <lw0x15> Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql
[13:04] <lw0x15> and the marker just stands there :|
[13:04] <duryodhan> adrenaline: you have rerun alsaconfig right ?!
[13:04] <lw0x15> how long does it take to start it
[13:04] <adrenaline> no
[13:04] <adrenaline> I will try that tho
[13:04] <duryodhan> ohh rerun that first
[13:04] <duryodhan> :)
[13:04] <adrenaline> Ok
[13:04] <duryodhan> I had assumed you did that already :
[13:05] <adrenaline> I must not be running alsa
[13:05] <PaddyMac> I was tinkering with things  a few days ago with ALSA and I didn't have sound because it was using my PC speaker as the default sound card, and I had to search and find the config settings to change to set my actual sound card as the default sound device.
[13:05] <adrenaline> alsaconfig says command not found as root
[13:05] <appzer0> alsaconf
[13:05] <Pig_Pen> alsaconf
[13:05] <adrenaline> oh
[13:06] <appzer0> alsac[TAB] ;)
[13:06] <PaddyMac> You might not have it installed. Is the ALSA-utils package installed by default in Slackware?
[13:07] <adrenaline> alsaconf fixed it you guys rock I wonder why it died
[13:08] <duryodhan> the webcam tried to put its own dummy in the between I think
[13:08] <adrenaline> Nice
[13:08] <adrenaline> duryodhan, thanks for the advice
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[13:13] <Cara_Magro> alguém já passou por esse pepino!?
[13:13] <Cara_Magro> Kernel Panic
[13:13] <Cara_Magro> VFS: cannot open root device "801" or unknow-block(8,1)
[13:13] <Cara_Magro> =/
[13:13] <Cara_Magro> na recompilação do kernel
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[13:16] <duryodhan> Cara_Magro: english ?
[13:16] <duryodhan> initrd is not right .. you need the module to mount your root partition
[13:16] <Cara_Magro> duryodhan, my english is very bad =(
[13:16] <duryodhan> it is better than my spanish
[13:17] <Cara_Magro> =)
[13:17] <Cara_Magro> image = /boot/vmlinuz-l7
[13:17] <Cara_Magro>   root = /dev/sdb1
[13:17] <Cara_Magro>   #initrd = /boot/initrd.gz
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[13:17] <Cara_Magro>   label = "Slackware-L7"
[13:17] <Cara_Magro>   read-only
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[13:18] <adrenaline> Oh Cara_Magro you have to use paste-bin
[13:18] <duryodhan> anyhow .. you have commented out the initrd line
[13:18] <duryodhan> so you need to uncomment it
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[13:19] <Cara_Magro> duryodhan, i need uncomment initrd?
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[13:19] <Cara_Magro> i comment =/
[13:20] <Cara_Magro> =(
[13:20] <duryodhan> remove the # at the beginning
[13:20] <duryodhan> and also read /boot/README.initrd
[13:20] <Cara_Magro> ok
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[13:22] <lw0x15> i cant believe
[13:22] <lw0x15> one minute apache doesnt work
[13:22] <lw0x15> other one it does :/
[13:23] <adrenaline> So is there an equivilent in slackware like red hat /etc/init.d folder?
[13:23] <adrenaline> I mean where do I start and restart programs in slackware
[13:23] <FriedBob> adrenaline: /etc/rc.d/
[13:24] <adrenaline> I tried that but it doesn't have all of the programs
[13:24] <kjell> Ok folks, going to reinstall slack now! :D
[13:24] <adrenaline> good luck kjell
[13:25] <kjell> Thanks, you too adrenaline!
[13:25] <bkUp> kjell, why reinstall?
[13:25] <FriedBob> adrenaline: Look through rc.M and rc.local etc too
[13:25] <duryodhan> adrenaline: what does it not have ?
[13:25] <adrenaline> ok
[13:25] <duryodhan> why would you restart programs through the init folder
[13:25] <duryodhan> you would do that for services
[13:25] <adrenaline> I have a program called mpg123 I wanted to restart
[13:25] <FriedBob> Not everything has it's own rc.foo
[13:26] <bkUp> kjell, Well good luck I guess.
[13:26] <duryodhan> adrenaline: pkill -9 mpg123; mpg123
[13:26] <fred> adrenaline: even in redhat, that's not in init.d :p
[13:26] <adrenaline> most are tho
[13:26] <fred> No, system services are.
[13:26] <fred> not user applications.
[13:27] <jkwood> Restarting mpg123 is as simple as killing it using your method of choice, and then reinvoking it.
[13:27] Action: fred kills jkwood using his method of choice.
[13:27] <FriedBob> jkwood: Why you gotta go and oversimplify things?  There's gotta be a "better" more complicated way...
[13:28] <bkUp> lol
[13:28] <duryodhan>    /etc/rc.d/restartMultimediaApp --programname=mpg123  --method=HUP,bash
[13:28] <[Bop]> slacky.eu lost his search field ?
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[13:29] <adrenaline> thanks duryodhan
[13:29] <duryodhan> google.com/search?q=sarcasm
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[13:30] Action: duryodhan is waiting for adrenaline to come back with a its not working
[13:30] <hba> fail!
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[13:30] <hba> :)
[13:31] <duryodhan> lol did he find something in rc.d ?
[13:32] <adrenaline> duryodhan, it is not working
[13:32] <adrenaline> but i don't think it is started
[13:32] <duryodhan> aargh
[13:32] <hba> duryodhan: maybe... but maybe... that works :)
[13:32] <hba> hahaha :)
[13:32] <adrenaline> lol
[13:32] Action: duryodhan is done
[13:32] <duryodhan> :D
[13:32] <adrenaline> It is just for fun no biggie
[13:33] <FriedBob> adrenaline: Roll your own rc.mpg123
[13:33] <adrenaline> I need to research the arguments.
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[13:34] <adrenaline> It will start but I don't really know how to use the arguments yet
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[13:34] <adrenaline> There are so many to choose from
[13:34] <adrenaline> it is like a diabetic in a candy store
[13:34] <FriedBob> adrenaline: They make something to help with that too..  it's called a man page.
[13:34] <adrenaline> I know I am in it
[13:34] <adrenaline> that is what I mean it does so much
[13:34] <adrenaline> I am trying to pick out the one thing I am looking for
[13:35] Action: FriedBob goes back to coding
[13:35] <adrenaline> what are you coding FriedBob?
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[13:36] <FriedBob> Some financial management software for my wife
[13:36] <adrenaline> sweet what language?
[13:36] <duryodhan> adrenaline  search in history
[13:36] <FriedBob> C# & XML
[13:37] <adrenaline> I once wrote a C program to conver Celius to Far. so I am cool
[13:37] <adrenaline> hehe
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[13:37] <FriedBob> Isn't that normally the next step after "hello world" ?
[13:38] <nix_chix0r> in T minus 5minutes if he doesn't close limewire i'm gona cut him off the router:P
[13:38] <kjell> bkUp: Because my install was all on one /
[13:38] <kjell> bkUp: So now I'm trying to create a /home aswell
[13:38] <limac> FriedBob: depends on the book you are using. Yes, according to The C programming Language.
[13:38] <hba> o_O?
[13:38] <FriedBob> nix_chix0r: Make it NY minutes and cut off now.
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[13:38] <nix_chix0r> haha
[13:39] <nix_chix0r> our satellite connection on the weekend is so horrible you get dial up speeds and i'm trying to find flights for my mom for when the baby comes and i'm getting timed out constantly
[13:39] <nix_chix0r> he's on the couch pirating music
[13:40] <kjell> Where I want the partiton mounted. Sounds like I should write /home there? Hope it will understand what I want :D
[13:40] <FriedBob> nix_chix0r: Don't give himany warning, just shut him down and blame it on the intarwebz
[13:40] <adrenaline> The first one will be /
[13:40] <adrenaline> then you can name the rest
[13:40] <nix_chix0r> the tech guy i spoke to on the phone about the slowness and he goes well i told you to download the web browser optimiser.
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[13:40] <FriedBob> nix_chix0r: Win only, right?
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[13:41] <adrenaline> make sure you name the partitions the right once per size if you know what I mean
[13:41] <kjell> I like slackware. Although I think I have to create my own slackbuild to be able to install Zend Studio. Might get fun.
[13:41] <nix_chix0r> FriedBob, well i'm on one of the dekstops that has  a windows partition because the tech guy refuses to check out whats wrong with our connection unless i'm on it
[13:42] <lw0x15> how can i change users password ?
[13:42] <jkwood> passwd ?
[13:42] <jkwood> Actually, passwd NAMEOFUSER
[13:43] <bkUp> that should work
[13:43] <kjell> passwd <user>
[13:43] <kjell> eah
[13:43] <kjell> yeah* :D
[13:43] <lw0x15> oh yeah
[13:43] Action: lw0x15 kicks himself
[13:43] <nix_chix0r> if i'm right the web browser with the optimiser is only going to save a buttload of cache and compress the images down to look like crap in order for web pages to load faster. it will do nothing for my download speed. the tech guy insists that i have it. and he said they dont support networking either:P
[13:44] <arktvrvs> get all semantic and technical w/ him
[13:45] <kjell> Hell yeah! Now it's installing. Think I go go and cook some food :D
[13:45] <hba> web brwoser with optimiser?.. lynx?
[13:45] <nix_chix0r> also i know the speed says up to 512 i asked if theres a minimum garanteed speed and he said no. so i asked ok so i'm papying 50bucks a month for 10k speeds.? and he says well if you want faster you should upgrade to the 1meg package. and i said okay so pay 70 a month for maybe 27k:p
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[13:45] <bkUp> why compress if you can not show them at all? lol
[13:46] <arktvrvs> links -g :o
[13:46] <FriedBob> nix_chix0r: Have you tried Google's TiSP? http://www.gogle.com/tisp
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[13:46] <nix_chix0r> they have an isp?
[13:47] <FriedBob> nix_chix0r: It was there April Fool's day joke in 2007
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[13:47] <nix_chix0r> so why would you link that to me:|
[13:47] <nix_chix0r> bastard
[13:47] <FriedBob> it features TCP/IP over TP
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[13:48] <FriedBob> nix_chix0r: With how *crappy* your ISP is, I thought you'd appreciate the humor of an ISP that delivers broadband via the sewer system.
[13:49] <nix_chix0r> FriedBob, if there wasn't a massive cancellation fee to get rid of the satellite i'd go with straight up dialup cause my speeds would be faster:))
[13:49] <FriedBob> nix_chix0r: When is teh contract up?
[13:50] <nix_chix0r> 12months
[13:50] <FriedBob> Ouch
[13:50] <Pig_Pen> http://imagebin.org/37239 :D
[13:51] <Cara_magro> duryodhan, thanks ...
[13:51] <Cara_magro> duryodhan, built-in megaraid-sas
[13:51] <Cara_magro> duryodhan, http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/972/megaraidiq7.png
[13:51] <hitest> Pig_Pen:   Heh-heh:)
[13:55] <lw0x15> why when i open up http://localhost/lols/login.php
[13:55] <lw0x15> it shows me the source code
[13:55] <lw0x15> and doesnt actually execute the file ?
[13:56] <arktvrvs> enable php in your http.conf
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[13:56] <thumbs> 13:56 < fajita> is a scripting 'language' that is enabled by loading mod_php and by adding 'AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php' or you can look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload
[13:56] <thumbs> lw0x15: ^^
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[13:58] <lw0x15> i dont really get offered to download it
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[13:58] <thumbs> lw0x15: it's the same thing. load the module, and add the AddHandler line.
[14:00] <lw0x15> gotta go figure out how to load it now :]]
[14:01] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, you there?
[14:01] <arktvrvs> on my setup its as easy as uncommenting a line
[14:01] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, what's up?
[14:01] <arktvrvs> /etc/httpd/httpd.conf:476
[14:01] <thumbs> lw0x15: with LoadModule
[14:02] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, just saying that opera + tsocks works great! ^-^-
[14:02] <thumbs> arktvrvs: the problem is that slackware ships with a broken config file.
[14:02] <lw0x15> no such command
[14:02] <thumbs> arktvrvs: it uses AddType instead of AddHandler to enable the module.
[14:02] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, altho sometimes opera will eat 100% cpu until closed
[14:02] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, :D nice. Why do you prefer opera?
[14:02] <thumbs> lw0x15: grep your config files for LoadModule
[14:03] <slackytude> higuita, not sure. I use it for some years now, so it might just be me being lazy. it just does what I want
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[14:03] <CygnusX1> Greetings.  Is anyone running Slackware 12.2 in VirtualBox 2.1.2?
[14:04] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, hm. I've been a firefox user for awhile but i thought about switching. Does it do mouse gestures?
[14:04] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, yes
[14:05] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, altho I dont use them
[14:05] <arktvrvs> that is interesting; it works fine for me though.
[14:06] <jkwood> CygnusX1: I've run 12.1/.2 in various versions of Vbox over the past several months.
[14:06] <thumbs> arktvrvs: it's incorrect, and will work. But it's a hack that was done for httpd 1.3
[14:06] <arktvrvs> I see
[14:07] <thumbs> arktvrvs: AddType is used for client-side types, such as .html. php is processed server-side, so AddHandler must be used.
[14:08] <arktvrvs> aha
[14:08] <CygnusX1> jkwood: anything special needed for stability?  Two seperate machines: 1) 32-bit laptop running XP pro with vbox2.1.2 and 2) Desktop with 64-bit Vista...the VM freezes when I try to up konsole within KDE (both VMs were seperately created)
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[14:08] <lw0x15> argh any quick easy way to delete mysql/php ?
[14:08] <lw0x15> need to re-install them i think
[14:09] <thumbs> lw0x15: no, you don't
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[14:09] <jkwood> Hmm... nothing I've encountered.
[14:09] <hiptobecubic> thumbs, lol
[14:09] <thumbs> arktvrvs: unfortunately, even php.net spreads those misconfigurations.
[14:09] <jkwood> Sounds like a bug in the Win version of Vbox to me.
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[14:09] <lw0x15> thumbs: i do. i messed up dont know whats going on there :-/
[14:09] <CygnusX1> Perhaps I need to drop back to vbox 2.0.6.  I quite like the new host network functionality in the latest vbox though.
[14:10] <thumbs> lw0x15: what did you do, exactly?
[14:10] <lw0x15> today nothing special
[14:10] <thumbs> lw0x15: then why do you think you need to reinstall the packages, exactly?
[14:10] <lw0x15> so i can start fresh
[14:11] <lw0x15> so i know whas going on
[14:11] <thumbs> why?
[14:11] <lw0x15> whats*
[14:11] <thumbs> why?
[14:11] <thumbs> there is no need to reinstall.
[14:11] <thumbs> why do you insist on using the wrong approach?
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[14:12] <jkwood> CygnusX1: You might try asking in #vbox.
[14:12] <CygnusX1> jkwood: Thank you...will do.
[14:12] <lw0x15> thumbs: well trying to install this script, did everything but mysql didnt create what it was supposed to create
[14:13] <thumbs> lw0x15: elaborate
[14:13] <FriedBob> Is mysql even properly setup, or did you just installpkg it and leave it at that?
[14:13] <thumbs> lw0x15: you will need to run mysql_install_db as the mysql user first.
[14:14] <thumbs> lw0x15: look on top of rc.mysqld
[14:14] <lw0x15> FriedBob: /usr/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql &
[14:14] <lw0x15> thats what i did
[14:14] <lw0x15> thumbs: did that too
[14:14] <lw0x15> wait as mysql user ? :-/
[14:14] <thumbs> lw0x15: is mysqld running?
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[14:14] <thumbs> lw0x15: yes
[14:15] <lw0x15> bash-3.1$ ps -e | grep my
[14:15] <lw0x15> 15104 ?        00:00:00 mysqld_safe
[14:15] <lw0x15> 15124 ?        00:00:01 mysqld
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[14:15] <thumbs> fair enough.
[14:15] <thumbs> lw0x15: what problem are you trying to solve, exactly?
[14:16] <FriedBob> thumbs: "it isn't working" He said that already. (sorry, sorta)
[14:16] <lw0x15> well
[14:16] <thumbs> FriedBob: that's not a real problem.
[14:16] <lw0x15> php isnt working properly as i said before it opens up the source
[14:16] <lw0x15> and doesnt execute
[14:16] <thumbs> lw0x15: and I told you how to enable it properly.
[14:17] <lw0x15> yes, i cant find such thing as loadmodules :|
[14:17] <thumbs> lw0x15: look in httpd.conf
[14:17] <thumbs> lw0x15: LoadModule. Literally.
[14:17] <zounds> lw0x15: in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf uncomment "Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf"
[14:18] <thumbs> lw0x15: then, edit /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf and change the AddType to AddHandler.
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[14:18] <jkwood> Wow... looking through Vbox open bugs, I can appreciate just how little trouble I've had with it.
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[14:19] <ttyX> I have a small question
[14:19] <zounds> lw0x15: and add "index.php" at "DirectoryIndex"
[14:19] <ttyX> while installing slack i slected xfce as my default desktop, so how can i chnage it to kde if i want to?
[14:19] <FriedBob> ttyX: It's easy to do, but I haven't ran X in so long I can't recall
[14:19] <Urchlay> ttyX: xwmconfig
[14:20] <kevman> xwmconfig
[14:20] <kevman> dammit.
[14:20] <Urchlay> sorry :)
[14:20] <ttyX> thanks
[14:20] <ttyX> that worked
[14:20] <slackytude2> xwmconfig
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[14:20] <Urchlay> chose an odd time to de-lurk...
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[14:21] <wat> i like these slackware quotes when you boot up your machine
[14:21] <thumbs> wat: it's the 'fortune' package
[14:21] <kevman> arent they bsd related?
[14:21] <wat> ah
[14:22] <FriedBob> kevman: Part of the 'y' disk set.  BSD games
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[14:22] <slakmagik> it's from bsd, but the fortunes aren't bsd-related - or, rather, they can be anything but aren't strictly bsd
[14:22] <lw0x15> zounds: thats what i did doesnt work :-/
[14:22] <lw0x15> thumbs: ^
[14:22] <lw0x15> same thing happens
[14:22] <thumbs> lw0x15: clear your browser cache, and try again.
[14:23] <wat> ok so im going to learn how to install packages in slackware now :]
[14:23] <lw0x15> thumbs: same :/
[14:23] <kevman> yeah, thats what I meant, they are from bsd.
[14:23] <thumbs> lw0x15: give us a sample link.
[14:23] <Urchlay> somewhere I've got a set of "fortunes" that are quotes from Firefly
[14:23] <thumbs> Urchlay: neat
[14:24] <slakmagik> "and goin' all... bendy... like that ain't gonna help you"
[14:25] <Urchlay> http://www.daughtersoftiresias.org/progs/firefly/   <--- apparently I got it from here
[14:25] <slakmagik> there's all kinds of fortune packages - futurama, calvin & hobbes, etc.
[14:25] <lw0x15> thumbs: what do you mean by sample link ?
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[14:25] <thumbs> lw0x15: a link we can reach from here to your server,.
[14:26] <lw0x15> my localhost ? :]]
[14:26] <slakmagik> oops, that was a misquote: "You can't change that by getting all... bendy"
[14:27] <Urchlay> slakmagik: also something about the lights from the console, and little birds?
[14:27] <slakmagik> yeah, when he starts reaching and grabbing air. :)
[14:27] <thumbs> lw0x15: if it's only local, we can't reach it.
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[14:27] <thumbs> lw0x15: I'll have to assume you made a mistake configuring apache.
[14:28] <jkwood> Urchlay: You just got put on my "people-to-invite-to-any-awesome-parties-I-have" list.
[14:28] <Urchlay> jkwood: ooh, shiny! Er, where do you you usually have these parties?
[14:28] Action: Urchlay hasn't been to a good party in forever
[14:29] <slackytude> party?
[14:29] <kjell> Did I hear party?
[14:29] <lw0x15> thumbs: ill reconfigure it again and double check it then
[14:30] <jkwood> Well... the list is more substantial at this point than the parties...
[14:31] <kjell> Anyone else having trouble visiting linuxquestions.org?
[14:31] <lw0x15> yep
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[14:32] <kjell> Darn. I was going to find a few awnsers there :D
[14:32] <lw0x15> but they worked few mins ago
[14:32] <lw0x15> cause i got a tab open
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[14:32] <kjell> Ah, ok. Hope it will be up soon then
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[14:33] <cpunches> hi.  i've noticed in 12.1 that the firefox/ + firefox-2.0.0.4/ lib dirs are still not combined; what's the thought behind this?
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[14:34] <kjell> cpunches: Why use firefox 2. They recently strongly adviced people to change to Firefox 3 if I remember correctly.
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[14:35] <Urchlay> kjell: because the awesome bar isn't all that awesome?
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[14:35] <cpunches> sir i was more or less referring to the structure of the library directories
[14:35] <kjell> Urchlay: Wasn't it chrome they named the bar to awsomebar?
[14:35] <BP{k}> cpunches: what do you mean, the lib dirs are not combined?
[14:35] <zounds> lw0x15: I have the same problem in a fresh vm install now. the php thing. strange.
[14:36] <Urchlay> dunno, I mean the firefox 3 toolbar, whatever it's called. Can fix by installing the oldbar extension and diddling with about:config a bit
[14:36] <lw0x15> zounds: :-/
[14:36] <cpunches> kjell: 'ls /usr/lib | grep firefox'
[14:36] <lw0x15> zounds: if you find a solution ill be here :))
[14:36] <BP{k}> cpunches: do you mean there is a firefox/ dir and a firefox-2.0.0.4 dir?
[14:37] <cpunches> yeah, i can't figure out why it's separate.
[14:37] <BP{k}> *sigh*
[14:37] Action: cpunches hides.
[14:37] <lw0x15> ;-D
[14:37] <BP{k}> ls -ld /usr/lib/firefox
[14:37] <cpunches> "I know, I know, it's the OCD"
[14:37] <cpunches> oh.
[14:37] <BP{k}> no it isn't.
[14:37] <cpunches> well.
[14:37] <BP{k}> if it was OCD you would have done your research better.
[14:38] <cpunches> i probably could have checked to see if that was a symlink ;)
[14:38] <thumbs> zounds: it's because you didn't change the AddType to AddHandler.
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[14:39] <lw0x15> thumbs: i did
[14:39] <zounds> thumbs: no, it is not, they are set i mod_php.conf
[14:39] <cpunches> BP{k}: whats the reason for that symlink, btw?  is that a mozilla'ism or a slackware-specific quirk fix?
[14:39] <thumbs> zounds: what?
[14:40] <thumbs> zounds: he config file as shipped contain AddType. It needs to be changed to AddHandler.
[14:40] <zounds> lw0x15: try stoping an starting httpd. a simple restart didnt work for me, but stop and then start did it
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[14:40] <thumbs> lw0x15: clear your browser cache, stop apache, and start apache.
[14:40] <dive> DirectoryIndex index.php?
[14:40] <zounds> thumbs: I didnt change anything in mod_php.conf, and it works for me
[14:41] <BP{k}> cpunches: I think it's something Patrick does in his builds. possibly to make upgrades a bit cleaner and easier to handle.
[14:41] <zounds> dive: means index.php is loaded if you just use http://server/, you dont have to specify http://server/index.php
[14:42] <thumbs> zounds: but it's incorrect. AddType deals with client-side mime types. php has to be processed server-side, hence the need for AddHandler instead.
[14:42] <thumbs> zounds: AddType is an old hack from 1.3
[14:42] <lw0x15> woo it worked!
[14:42] <lw0x15> thanks thumbs and zounds
[14:42] <slackytude> the food arrives!
[14:42] <slackytude> pizza
[14:42] <dive> zounds, I know that
[14:42] <zounds> thumbs: It mya be bad, just said it works.
[14:42] <slackytude> all hail the pizza dude
[14:42] <lw0x15> slackytude: i used to make pizzas :]
[14:42] <zounds> dive: ok
[14:42] <thumbs> zounds: it's incorrect.
[14:42] <slackytude> lw0x15, and now you are a slacker
[14:43] <thumbs> zounds: why would you use an incorrect configuration, if you knew the proper way to do it?
[14:43] <lw0x15> indeed
[14:43] <BP{k}> cpunches: that also was a question, you could have checked by looking at the mozilla-firefox.SlackBuild.
[14:43] <zounds> thumbs: standard slack config
[14:43] <thumbs> zounds: and?
[14:43] <thumbs> zounds: it's incorrect.
[14:43] <zounds> thumbs: I just said it works, not that it is the correct way
[14:44] <jkwood> FOOD
[14:44] Action: lw0x15 had steak
[14:44] <thumbs> zounds: the old hack will work. No one should stick with it, as AddHandler is the proper way to configure php.
[14:44] <cpunches> BP{k}: ok, thank you.  im a little 'out of touch' with everything; i'm getting back into it.  i'll need to rebuild my bookmarks.
[14:44] <thumbs> zounds: perhaps if this was 1997, it would be OK.
[14:45] <thumbs> zounds: http://www.devside.net/articles/php
[14:45] <BP{k}> lw0x15: nice . .we're having chinese :D
[14:45] <BP{k}> (home made )
[14:46] <lw0x15> chicken curry with rice?
[14:46] <lw0x15> i love chicken curry with rice :D
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[14:48] Action: jkwood wishes he knew how to make bourbon chicken
[14:48] <lw0x15> add some bourbon to chicken ;P
[14:48] <BP{k}> lxnah. stir fried veg/garlic pak choi with chinese pancakes
[14:48] <lw0x15> voila!
[14:48] <lw0x15> BP{k}: tab doesnt work ?:D
[14:48] <Pig_Pen> why did the drunk chicken cross the road?
[14:48] <BP{k}> lw0x15: something like that :)
[14:48] <lw0x15> that sounds delicious actually
[14:49] <BP{k}> it should be good :)
[14:50] <BP{k}> lw0x15: I think she got some inspiration of the Chinese food made easy series that was on the bbc a while ago (plus she got the book out of the library)
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[14:50] <lw0x15> can't remember when i was in a library ;/
[14:52] <thumbs> I see that no one cares about php, and misconfigurations
[14:52] <lw0x15> :))
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[14:52] <thumbs> the httpd package needs to be corrected
[14:53] <zounds> thumbs: This is acctualy the first time I've heard about it.
[14:54] <thumbs> zounds: I'm not surprised, tho.
[14:54] <zounds> thumbs: I dont search for info if it works :)
[14:54] <wat> one of my friends died, another kid i didnt really like died also
[14:54] <wat> the other 3 boys escaped
[14:54] <wat> the generator exploded
[14:54] <wat> :(
[14:54] <lw0x15> wat :O
[14:55] <wat> this sucks
[14:55] <zounds> thumbs: But if it is wrong it should be corrected, just need to push on the ones that are in charge.
[14:55] <wat> he was the nicest person i knew
[14:55] <wat> he has not a single ounce of evil in his being
[14:55] <wat> had*
[14:55] <thumbs> wat: where?
[14:56] <wat> we live in arkansas
[14:56] <wat> they were in a barn because there is still no power for lots of people because of the ice storm
[14:56] <thumbs> there was an ice storm?
[14:56] <wat> gigantic
[14:56] <wat> it was so bad it went down in history
[14:56] <wat> because of the amount of damage we can get government funding to pay for the damage
[14:57] <thumbs> wat: never heard of that, granted I don't live in your country
[14:57] <kjell> Oh snap. I forgot what config to run to configure xorg.conf after installing nvidia-driver.
[14:58] <dive> nvidia-xconfig?
[14:58] <kjell> Thanks a bunch!
[14:58] <kjell> Forgot the x, hehe.
[14:58] <thumbs> zounds: I'll send another email to robby and Pat
[14:58] <dive> <tab> is your friend
[14:59] <jkwood> thumbs: It's rare we in the midwest make even national news.
[14:59] <jkwood> wat: I'm really sorry to hear that, I didn't know conditions were still so bad down in AR.
[14:59] <thumbs> jkwood: I never watch USA new, tho.
[15:00] <thumbs> if it makes it to internation news, I have a chance of catching it
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[15:01] <dive> thumbs, when did AddType change to AddHandler? Both seem to work here
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[15:03] <thumbs> dive: when 2.0.x got released
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[15:40] <Shingoshi> wat: I'm sorry for you and your friend. I have family back there also. It's really bad!
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[15:53] <lw0x15> got quiet here
[15:53] <slackytude> I was busy hunting down the pizza dude
[15:53] <lw0x15> lol
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[15:55] <thumbs> we had a storm like that in 1998
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[15:58] <dive> havent had a bad one for over 10 years at least
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[16:02] <wat> he was the nicest guy i knew
[16:02] <kjell> Haha I'm running fluxbox now. Pretty acceptable, just need to get used to it.
[16:02] <lw0x15> kjell: well come to the fluxers club
[16:02] <lw0x15> :))
[16:02] <jean-luc> fluxbox is great
[16:02] <wat> i like fluxbox
[16:02] <kjell> Hehe thanks. I miss some graphics to "click" to another workspace. Can I do this with the keyboard instead?
[16:03] <dive> mous wheel
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[16:03] <lw0x15> i just got alt+f* to do that for me
[16:03] <kjell> dive: How to do it with the mousewheel?
[16:03] <kjell> Aaha
[16:04] <dive> there should also be an icon for workplaces on bar i think - ages since i used flux
[16:07] <kjell> Aha! Haha If I click on "Workspace" it pops up a menu. If I click on the number, it changes workspace.
[16:07] <lw0x15> o.O
[16:07] <lw0x15> weird
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[16:08] <lw0x15> i just get a menu if i click on any of those
[16:08] <kjell> click on the right side of the number
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[16:09] <lw0x15> shit..sister threw snow into my room
[16:09] <lw0x15> almost got some inside
[16:09] <lw0x15> of the box
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[16:11] <kjell> Hah!
[16:11] <BP{k}> lw0x15: stab her!
[16:11] <kjell> In the eye!
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[16:12] <kjell> Awh, that reminds me of my teacher who said: "Spank my ass and call me Judith".
[16:12] <lw0x15> :O
[16:12] <kjell> That surpriced me.
[16:12] <lw0x15> i hope she's sexy
[16:12] <kjell> She is.
[16:12] <agentc0re> anyone running nvidia 180.22 drivers by chance?
[16:13] <lw0x15> kjell: did you spanked her ?
[16:13] <jkwood> I'm using 180.27.
[16:13] <kjell> 177.82 here
[16:13] <kjell> And lw0x15, haha, no.
[16:13] <lw0x15> :(
[16:13] <CygnusX1> agentc0re: I just installed them...was hoping to get rid of a desktop flicker issue I jhave been having (still running 12.1 on desktop)
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[16:14] <kjell> Oh, darn. Lets give the mouse one more try. Whats the name for the mouse-tool. hm, mthx or something?
[16:15] <agentc0re> jkwood: I've been having a problem with logging out and back in.  The only fix i've found is changing video drivers, but i don't think it's them is what is causing the problem.  If i log out, back in twice i will not be able to move windows around.  This happens for kde or xfce.  Do you have any issues like that?
[16:15] <jkwood> Not that I've noticed.  I'm running KDE 4.2, fwiw.
[16:15] <kjell> btnx!
[16:15] <agentc0re> jkwood: so am i.  it happens in both kde and xfce.
[16:16] <jkwood> Hmm...
[16:16] <agentc0re> jkwood: Yah, it's driving me freaking nuts.
[16:16] <agentc0re> This is what i've found.
[16:18] <agentc0re> Logging in for the first time is fine.  Moving windows, mouse, it all works.  Log out, back in.  Can't move windows, but mouse works.  If i middle click on a title bar, it sets the window free and i can move it.  so i log out, log back in.  Everything is still working.  Log out back in and now my mouse doesn't work at all.  I have to restart X at that point in order to work again.
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[16:18] <agentc0re> I have tested this out on a new test user, same results.
[16:19] <gar0t0> hey ppl :)
[16:19] <agentc0re> removed kde4 to see if it was that, but same results.
[16:19] <agentc0re> This morning when i tried changing to the nv driver, i didn't have the problem at all.  At that point i was on 180.18, so i check nvidia's website and latest stable is 180.22.  Same problems after the upgrade.
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[16:20] <NyteOwl> Greetings Programs
[16:21] <edman007> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.28 | Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5410 @ 2.33GHz  MHz (8 cores) | Mem: 3775/8166M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 974G Free: 274G | Screen Res: 1680x1050 | Procs: 296  | Up:  16:20:14 up 4 days,  3:34, 13 users,  load average: 16.06, 8.79, 3.74
[16:21] <edman007> my uptime!
[16:21] <edman007> err load average...
[16:21] <jkwood> agentc0re: You might try ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.27/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.27-pkg0.run
[16:21] Action: edman007 waves
[16:21] <edman007> blob drivers suck :D
[16:22] <NyteOwl> must be a busy system
[16:22] <jkwood> Released two days after 180.22, and it's not tagged beta.
[16:22] <lw0x15>  21:24:27 up 7 days,  6:38,  5 users,  load average: 0.34, 0.32, 0.24
[16:22] <lw0x15> edman007: my average <3
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[16:23] <edman007> NyteOwl, importing a DB on a VM...
[16:23] <edman007> its all IO...
[16:23] <NyteOwl> that would do it :)
[16:23] <[Bop]> some nvidia drivers have 2 packages , pkg0 and pkg1 ... anyone knows what that means ?
[16:23] <lw0x15> edman007: did you used a script for that ?
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[16:23] <edman007> lw0x15, no...
[16:23] <edman007> i'm just setting up from Dev VMs
[16:23] <jkwood> I believe (don't quote me on this) that they use different compression programs.
[16:24] <lw0x15> edman007: i mean sysinfo
[16:24] <edman007> oh, yea
[16:24] <jkwood> So, pkg0 uses bzip2, and pkg1 uses gzip.
[16:24] <[Bop]> hmm
[16:24] <jkwood> They appear to be identical other than size, so that would make sense, anyway.
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[16:24] <lw0x15> edman007: irssi maybe?
[16:24] <edman007> xchat
[16:24] <[Bop]> jkwood, u checked that ?
[16:24] <edman007> lw0x15, modified http://freshmeat.net/projects/x-chat-sysinfo/
[16:24] <jkwood> Nope.  I'm just guessing. =)
[16:24] <agentc0re> jkwood: k, i'll give that drive a try.  do you know the difference between pkg0 and pkg1 drivers are?
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[16:25] <[Bop]> jkwood, i think that would be a waste of disk space
[16:25] <[Bop]> agentc0re, i just asked that :)
[16:25] <jkwood> About 8 megabytes.
[16:26] <jkwood> Well, it's possible that some systems don't have bzip2.
[16:26] <agentc0re> [Bop]: haha.. i missed that
[16:26] <[Bop]> but those packages are self-extractable, right ?
[16:26] <jkwood> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.19/README/chapter-03.html
[16:26] <agentc0re> Alright, I'm upgrading.  brb.
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[16:27] <jkwood> Apparently, it's different precompiled kernel interfaces.
[16:27] <jkwood> And since none of them work on Slackware anyway, the smallest package would be the smartest one.
[16:27] <[Bop]> u have and use nvidia on slackware
[16:27] <[Bop]> works for me
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[16:28] <jkwood> Yeah, they run in and of themselves.
[16:28] <jkwood> I guess it's not different compression after all, which really makes more sense.
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[16:31] <NyteOwl> wierd, there is an HP icon for HPLIP device manager on the panel. I have an HP printer but have never coneencted it to this system - wierd
[16:31] <tank-man> is your mouse also now moving by itself?
[16:31] <tank-man> :)
[16:31] <Shingoshi> wat: Who do you have close to you to talk about this? Considering how much this matters to you, you need to talk to someone.
[16:31] <NyteOwl> heh no
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[16:36] <NyteOwl> hmmm, Areca or 3Ware? edcisions decisions heh
[16:37] <Shingoshi> NyteOwl: What type of card? SATA or SCSI, Multilink?
[16:39] <NyteOwl> Shingoshi;  SATA. I was originally going to get a 3Ware 9650SE-4LPML (4 drives, PCIe4x, 0,1,5,10),JBOD but there is an Areca 1220 on sale here (8 drives, PCIe8, 0,1,5,6,10,JBOD) for about $50 more
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[16:39] <NyteOwl> I don't really need an 8 drive array but having RAID 6 would be nice, as would a faster BUS connection
[16:41] <Shingoshi> Did you consider Adaptec?
[16:42] Action: fred has a 9650SE-4LPML he's not using lying around somewhere...
[16:42] Action: fred should ebay it sometime
[16:43] <NyteOwl> Shingoshi;  I have adaptec SCSI in another machine and normally I would except that Adaptecx's SATA RAID cards don't seem to get along well with Intel's X48 chipset (according to some readings)
[16:43] <Shingoshi> Oh. That's something to consider for sure.
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[16:44] <fred> FWIW, slamd64.com and cardinal.lizella.net (including slackbook) run on 3ware
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[16:44] <hiptobecubic> Does slackware call "fortune" or "fortune all" by default?
[16:44] <slackytude> fortune
[16:44] <Shingoshi> This is really crazy. But I wish graphic cards had at least two SATA ports on them. I have only ONE expansion slot in my computer.
[16:44] <fred> ...
[16:44] <fred> yes, that's crazy.
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[16:45] <Shingoshi> And I've decided to use it for a graphics card;.
[16:45] <hiptobecubic> and that only uses the 'fortune' list? not all of the others in /usr/share/games/fortunes?
[16:45] <NyteOwl> fred: cool. I know 3Ware works well and has good Linux support which is why I wa slooking at it initially. The Areca is supposed to have Linux support as well and I know they are good quality cardss. Just not sure which way I want to go here.
[16:45] <Shingoshi> But it would be nice...
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[16:45] Mad_Away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'.  The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'.
[16:46] <hiptobecubic> What if your nick usually has "away" written in it? Like... Look_away ?
[16:46] <fred> then you fail.
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[16:46] <NyteOwl> I looked at the 8LPML for RAID  6 support but the price jump from 4 to 8 just isn't worth it in a personal workstation
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[16:46] <slackytude> I think running fortune without arguments is the same as fortune all
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[16:47] <NyteOwl> Mind you for most of what I use this machine for it's hugely overpowered anyway heh
[16:47] <agentc0re> jkwood: Still happening :/
[16:47] <Shingoshi> fred: My chassis has room for 8 drives and 3 cdroms. My board only has six SATA ports, and 1 IDE. Not enough.
[16:48] <NyteOwl> I have 8 SATA 1 IDE
[16:48] <NyteOwl> chassis has 8 3.5" and 4 5.25" bays so I'm goodtogo in that respect
[16:48] <Shingoshi> Yeah. But that machine already has a 4 disk RAID5. It would have been nice to add a few more drives.
[16:49] <NyteOwl> sorry 6 3.5"
[16:49] <Shingoshi> I've thought about using internal USB cdroms.
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[16:50] <NyteOwl> I have two RAID 1 arrays at the moment  (1 XP Pro, 1 Slack) plus a general testing drive and a SATA DVD-R
[16:50] <[Bop]> agentc0re, The file with the highest package number is suitable for most installations
[16:53] <agentc0re> [Bop]: Ah, okay.
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[16:55] <agentc0re> lol
[16:55] <slackytude> oy
[16:55] <slackytude> so, he went over the line?
[16:55] <fred> okay, that ban reason actually made me laugh at loud.
[16:55] <fred> *out
[16:56] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, turns out it isn'. Just fortune only uses the fortunes in 'fortunes'. run fortune -f and then fortune all -f
[16:56] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, intressting
[16:56] Action: slackytude changes fortune to fortune all
[16:57] <bkUp> is this klaptop battery monitor actually accurate? does any here use it?
[16:57] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, i just added some calvin and hobbes fortunes and they weren't showing up.
[16:57] <bkUp> anyone*
[16:57] <slackytude> hey, that means there are fortunes I dont know yet! cool
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[17:00] <thumbs> hahahaha douchbag
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[17:01] <thumbs> that super guy surely deserved it
[17:01] <NyteOwl> lol - http://militantgeek.com/2006/12/21/geek-vs-nerd-vs-dork/
[17:01] <hiptobecubic> why's that?
[17:01] <slackytude> it was just a matter of time
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[17:04] <nathanbw> NyteOwl, nice link. I've been trying to define the difference for years, haha
[17:05] <usus12jari> :q
[17:05] <usus12jari> oops.. sorry >.< wrong window
[17:05] <NyteOwl> nathanbw;  like one commentor observed the distinction between nerd and geek has some regional variations but a dorik is universal :)
[17:05] <slackytude> kudos for trying to use :q to close irc client
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[17:07] <slackytude> If you love something set it free.  If it doesn't
[17:07] <slackytude> come back to you, hunt it down and kill it.
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[17:12] <lw0x15> http://blog.kiniek.eu.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/asus_repair_kit_big.jpg
[17:12] <lw0x15> lets go repair!
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[17:15] <lw0x15> ok i got this php script in localhost working
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[17:15] <stybla> lw0x15: i can only agree with that picture.
[17:15] <kjell> Hello! I've been changing a few settings with nvidia-settings, after restarting x. The changed settings (light etc) wont appear until opening nvidia-settings again. Why is that so?
[17:16] <lw0x15> what would be the best method to make my box as a server and then deploy the script ?
[17:16] <stybla> kjell: $HOME/.xinitrc
[17:16] <slackytude> lw0x15, hook it up to them internets
[17:16] <dive> kjell, you need to put something like 'nvidia-settings -l' in a startup script
[17:16] <lw0x15> :))
[17:16] <lw0x15> slackytude: yeah how :s
[17:16] <kjell> Aha, thanks a lot!
[17:17] <metriccwrench> slackytude: excellent answer
[17:17] <slackytude> I live to serve
[17:18] <slackytude> lw0x15, if it runs on your box, it should be reachable by others in the LAN. if you have a public IP, it should be reachable by anyone
[17:19] <lw0x15> should i edit anything in apache so any1 can reach it ?
[17:20] <slackytude> lw0x15, it should work by default. however, if you really have to ask, think twice before doing it
[17:20] <lw0x15> doesnt work :-/
[17:20] <lw0x15> thats why i asked
[17:21] <slackytude> how doesnt it work
[17:21] <ccfreak2k> Do any of you use taskset?
[17:21] <lw0x15> slackytude: says not found, or maybe its cause i am using wrong IP
[17:21] <lw0x15> what did you meant by public
[17:22] <slackytude> >-<
[17:22] Action: lw0x15 dizzy
[17:22] <metriccwrench> lw0x15: just my 2¢ - read up on apache configuration and security before opening up your machine to the internet
[17:22] <dive> click here: http://127.0.0.1
[17:22] <metriccwrench> like slackytude's "think twice" comment
[17:22] Action: slackytude nods
[17:24] <slackytude> if you dont know what your ip is or what a public ip is, you shouldnt serving stuff on the interwebs
[17:24] <slackytude> just my opinion, flame me
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[17:25] <lw0x15> left before i could even start
[17:25] <lw0x15> :-/
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[17:25] <lw0x15> i know what is ip and what is my ip
[17:26] <thumbs> do you know the difference between a local IP and a public IP?
[17:26] <mbhayes> lw0x15: stop following me around!
[17:26] <mbhayes> :)
[17:26] <lw0x15> :))
[17:27] <lw0x15> thumbs: if public ip is same as ip yes ;]
[17:27] <lw0x15> normal ip lol
[17:27] <thumbs> lw0x15: so, no, you don't
[17:27] <slackytude> you need to give back your internet license
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[17:27] <godling> ahoy
[17:27] <metriccwrench> lw0x15: start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network
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[17:29] <mbhayes> hey.. be nice to lw0x15
[17:29] <lw0x15> you guys are confusing me
[17:29] <mbhayes> he uses noobfarm code ;)
[17:29] <kjell> dive: I'm putting it into rc.locals, is that the wrong path? It wont seem to work. I used the full path to the nvidia-settings-app and added -l after.
[17:30] <dive> kjell, rc.local wont work - it needs to in X startup script like .xinitrc for exampls
[17:30] <lw0x15> thumbs: i think you misunderstood me
[17:30] <thumbs> lw0x15: I think you didn't understand what I said.
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[17:33] <lw0x15> probably i didnt
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[17:34] <godling_> man I hate verizon
[17:34] <godling_> like, really
[17:35] <bkUp> slackytude, internet license... lol
[17:35] <kjell> dive: I see! Thanks for helping. Should it be executed before the window manager?
[17:35] <slackytude> bkUp, sometimes I wish it wasnt a joke
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[17:36] <dive> .xinitrc will be executed automatically when you start x
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[17:36] <bkUp> kjell, how did the install go?
[17:37] <kjell> bkUp: It went smooth, doing some tweaking now though.
[17:37] <Camarade_Tux> gne ? [nsfw] http://www.yangsky.com/researches/physicallinguistics/PLUnderstand/humanbody/anus/anus.htm
[17:37] <kjell> dive: So it doesent matter if its before or after startfluxbox?
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[17:37] <stybla> dive: what about .xinitrc? i said it like 10 mins ago.
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[17:37] <bkUp> kjell, good stuff so now your /home has its own partition to call home :)
[17:37] <kjell> bkUp: haha precisly
[17:38] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, a link with anus in it? its not goatse is it?
[17:38] <limpio> hi all, is there a way to change the root password? or should i reinstall?
[17:38] <slackytude> limpio, >-<
[17:38] <dive> kjell, I think before the exec line for your window manager
[17:38] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, an anus detector ! ><
[17:38] <dive> stybla, ah
[17:38] <dive> kjell, just try it and see
[17:38] <bkUp> limpio, do you know the current passwd?
[17:38] <stybla> dive: i thought i was wrong.
[17:38] <stybla> dive: nobody said anything ... :)
[17:39] <stybla> whatever.
[17:39] <limpio> bkUp, yes, but it doesn't work
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[17:39] <dive> stybla, well there are other files that work too - like fluxbox startup file for example
[17:39] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, heh, that sounds like a fun coding project
[17:39] <stybla> dive: yeah, i know (fluxbox user here).
[17:39] <slackytude> on second thougt, it might stink
[17:39] <dive> stybla, problem with .xinitrc is that it could get overwritten
[17:40] <stybla> dive: well, i don't know. afaik it never happen to me so far.
[17:40] <stybla> +did
[17:40] <bkUp> limpio, when you try to change the password does not work or you can't log in into the root account at all?
[17:40] <kjell> dive: hehe I have. I will google how to format it, cause exec '/full/path/nvidia-settings -l' didnt work AFAI can see
[17:40] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, lol ;p
[17:40] <dive> nvidia-settings --help
[17:41] <dive> ?
[17:41] <stybla> g'night all.
[17:41] <limpio> bkUp, i cannot log in into the root account
[17:41] <dive> gn
[17:41] <nick4> /I want to startx serveral programs at boot time (game servers, rtorrent) but I don't want them to have root priviledges. So this means rc.local is out of the question and su user on rc.local just gave me a bash shell. Any ideas?
[17:41] <slackytude> what do you do at work? Im currently optimizing my anus detection algorithm
[17:41] <alienBOB> limpio: boot from the Slackware CD to change the root password
[17:42] <NyteOwl> ANyone use Expression Engine?
[17:42] <dive> nick4, su nick4 -c <command>
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[17:42] <limpio> alienBOB, how do i do that, once i insert the cd?
[17:42] <slackytude> su USER -c "command"
[17:42] <nick4> ok thanks dive
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[17:44] <alienBOB> limpio- Boot the CD to the command prompt, mount your root partition under /mnt, run "chroot /mnt" and while you are chroot-ed type "passwd" - then you can change root's password
[17:44] <alienBOB> After changing the root password, type "exit" and then Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot the box
[17:44] <limpio> alienBOB, thanks pal
[17:45] <gar0t0> alienBOB: Hi Eric :)
[17:45] <kjell> dive: the -l should be correct, it loads the settings only. It wont seem to work in that file. I could print it to a pastebin so you can have a look.
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[17:46] <thumbs> SupernalTriad is acting like a dumbass in our channel too
[17:46] Nick change: fabricio` -> fabricio[out]
[17:47] <kjell> http://pastebin.ca/1324858
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[17:47] <NyteOwl> interesting. the XP slipstream disc I just made on linux boots to the XP isntall fine but I can't mount it in linux
[17:48] <dive> kjell, take off the exec
[17:48] <kjell> oh...
[17:48] <dive> exec shoudl only be for the last command
[17:48] <slackytude> thumbs, our channel?
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[17:49] <thumbs> slackytude: #apache
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[17:49] <slackytude> he must lead a boring life
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[17:49] <thumbs> indeed.
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[17:50] <kjell> Should it be in '-quotes? It wont work now either.
[17:50] <alienBOB> gar0t0 ~~~~
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[17:50] <dive> kjell, no
[17:51] <dive> just /usr/bin/nvidia-settings --load-config-only
[17:51] <kjell> Yeah, didn't work. Tried before and after the startfluxbox-line
[17:51] <Camarade_Tux> NyteOwl, dmesg |tail :)
[17:51] <dive> what happens if you run it ina console?
[17:51] Action: Camarade_Tux sleep, needs sleep
[17:52] <kjell> dive: it works in a console while in fluxbox
[17:52] <NyteOwl> Camarade_Tux;  says it doesn't recognise the file system
[17:53] <dive> kjell, try it in ~/.fluxbox/startup or whatever that file is called
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[17:53] <nille_> is curl built with support for gnutls?
[17:54] <Camarade_Tux> NyteOwl, what does mount say with the -v switch ?
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[17:55] <kjell> dive: That solved the problem! I owe you a beer if we meet some day.
[17:55] <kjell> dive: Thanks a lot!
[17:55] <dive> np
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[17:55] <Camarade_Tux> hmm, I definitely need to sleep before I lose consciousness, good night
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[18:00] <limpio> alienBOB, i tried to mount the root partition but i don't know how. I tried 'mount' /sda1 and /mnt /sda1 but no dice
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[18:01] <dive> limpio, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[18:01] <limpio> thanks bud
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[18:03] <ccfreak2k> Can cut work on single lines instead of a file?
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[18:07] <nille_> ccfreak2k what do you mean?
[18:07] <ccfreak2k> Actually I should use awk instead.
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[18:07] Action: lw0x15 tired and sleepy
[18:08] <nille_> you can use cut with bash magic
[18:09] <ccfreak2k> Well, I have a script that chops up find output into a while loop, so the current line is in $line.
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[18:09] <macavity> evening fellas :-)
[18:09] <ccfreak2k> awk reads from files, but how can I get it to act on the variable $line instead?
[18:10] <dive> ccfreak2k, echo "$line" | cut
[18:10] <dive> or echo "$line" | awk
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[18:12] <ccfreak2k> That works.
[18:12] <hiptobecubic> ccfreak2k, awk <<< $line
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[18:13] <hiptobecubic> #bash complains when you echo strings into pipes.
[18:13] <dive> o0
[18:13] <ccfreak2k> hiptobecubic, I tested it, and it seems to work ok.
[18:13] <ccfreak2k> The only issue now is if I need to escape the resulting spaces.
[18:13] <hiptobecubic> not bash complains. #bash complains.
[18:13] <dive> ah
[18:14] <hiptobecubic> go ask tehm about 'here strings'
[18:14] <macavity> slackpkg is so fscking nice :P
[18:14] <hiptobecubic> i got an earful last time
[18:14] <ccfreak2k> Heh.
[18:14] <dive> heh
[18:14] <CygnusX1> That is fracking...where have you been?
[18:14] <macavity> the elfutils mishap totally borked my up my toolchain
[18:14] <ccfreak2k> I'm not familiar with triple angle brackets.
[18:15] <hiptobecubic> ccfreak2k, ask #bash. they have plenty to say about them. It's neat stuff actually.
[18:15] <macavity> "slackpkg reinstall d" and a cup of coffee :P
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[18:16] <ccfreak2k> Looks like I'll be using sed to add backspaces in.
[18:18] <ccfreak2k> Not backspaces.
[18:18] <ccfreak2k> backslashes.
[18:18] <hiptobecubic> try it.   less <<< check out this here string
[18:19] <hiptobecubic> well.. with quotes.   less <<< "check out this here string"
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[18:21] <macavity> hiptobecubic: thx :-)
[18:21] <nille_> hiptobecubic what does 3 <<< meen?
[18:22] <rapid> just just like echo "blah" | somecommad or somecommand <<< "blah"
[18:22] <hiptobecubic> yes
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[18:22] <hiptobecubic> but pipes are slow/expensive or something
[18:22] <hiptobecubic> man bash and search for "here string"
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[18:23] <macavity> anyone remeber what the hotkey for "next match" is in the man shell?
[18:23] <hiptobecubic> n?
[18:23] <kjell> Hello macavity! :D
[18:23] <hiptobecubic> i think man is just less isn't it?
[18:23] <macavity> dooh.. is just "n"
[18:24] <A-life> so heres a question, say i had a file that needed to exist, and needed to have a string in it, but no one would ever have to actually read it. What would you do to make it so locked down that no one could ever touch it?
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[18:25] <macavity> /pattern (forward search of pattern); ?pattern (backwards search of pattern); n (next hit); N (previous hit)
[18:25] <hiptobecubic> chmod -rwx <file>  ?
[18:25] <macavity> hello kjell :-)
[18:25] <kjell> macavity: I'm a slacky-dude now ;-)
[18:25] <macavity> kjell: is your slacking skills comming allong :P
[18:25] <ccfreak2k> $(echo "$line" | awk -F"/" '{ print $4 }' | sed 's/\ /\\\ ')
[18:25] <macavity> congrats!
[18:25] <ccfreak2k> It's like poetry.
[18:25] <kjell> macavity: haha it's slowly getting there.
[18:25] <A-life> hiptobecubic: thats the first thing i though of, didnt know if anyone else had anything interesting ^^
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[18:25] <kjell> macavity: Haven't got my mx518-mouse to work properly yet though. Need to bite into that one.
[18:26] <ccfreak2k> A-life, make it owned by root:root and set 770 as permission?
[18:26] <hiptobecubic> ccfreak2k, $(awk -F"/" '{ print $4 }' <<< "$line" | sed 's/\ /\\\ ')
[18:26] <ccfreak2k> Well I guess you don't need +x for it.
[18:26] <macavity> kjell: xorg or console?
[18:26] <kjell> macavity: xorg
[18:26] <macavity> kjell: Logitec?
[18:26] <ccfreak2k> hiptobecubic, do I really need that?
[18:26] <kjell> macavity: Yeah.
[18:26] <A-life> hrm, does 000 actually do anything? :P
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[18:26] <ccfreak2k> It kind of interrupts the readability of it.
[18:27] <macavity> kjell: Protocol "IMPS/2"
[18:27] <kjell> macavity: Oh... I thought of that but never really tried it. Thanks a lot!
[18:27] <hiptobecubic> ccfreak2k, it's more efficient. and the readability interruption is only because you don't use <<< and aren't used to it.
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[18:28] <macavity> kjell: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" <<-- this enables the scroll wheel on most mice
[18:28] <hiptobecubic> ccfreak2k, it will work with a pipe of course, but that's why <<< was invented. #bash can defend it better than I.
[18:28] <macavity> kjell: you may have to play with the numbers, some are "6 7" or something else
[18:28] <spook> wtf does <<< do
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[18:29] <ccfreak2k> I'd probably have to work with hundreds of thousands of records for the efficiency to count for everything, and the pipe syntax keeps the logical left-to-right order intact.
[18:29] <rapid> redirection
[18:29] <macavity> spook: "input from file... extended to strings"
[18:29] <spook> ah ok.
[18:29] <macavity> it is probably an utter POSIX violation
[18:29] <hiptobecubic> ccfreak2k, it's a personal matter, sure. I'm just showing you what the <<< was designed for.
[18:29] <ccfreak2k> They probably like it over using the pipe for the same reasons they don't want anyone to use "cat foo | grep bar"
[18:30] <macavity> in 10 years we will have major headaches over that one, just like the idiotic use of `command` instead of $(command)
[18:30] <rapid> well it does save using a process
[18:30] <kjell> macavity: I adore you. Thanks a lot!
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[18:31] <macavity> kjell: i am probably not doing you a favor by doing your homework for you... but getting a workable invironment up fast, should in theory, get you burried in exciting documentation faster ;-)
[18:32] <hiptobecubic> ccfreak2k, go ask them. I can't tell you why to use it, i'm not 133+ enough
[18:32] <ccfreak2k> I'd rather not, lest I get talked to death,
[18:32] <macavity> its perry simple
[18:32] <hiptobecubic> it can be educational sometimes
[18:32] <macavity> *pretty
[18:33] <nachox> hiptobecubic, what does <<< do?
[18:33] <hiptobecubic> LOL
[18:33] <rapid> heh
[18:33] <macavity> nachox: TEST="check out this here string" less <<< $TEST
[18:33] <hiptobecubic> macavity, beautifully done.
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[18:34] <nachox> macavity, not in linux
[18:34] <hiptobecubic> nachox, man bash, search "here string"
[18:34] <kjell> macavity: Ofcourse, haha. Will install btnx now and see if I can get it working as I should. After that I will read more on how to generate my own slackbuild. Have an app I cant find slackbuild for.
[18:34] <macavity> nachox: its << just for strings
[18:34] <macavity> kjell: nice!
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[18:34] <nachox> ohh, i'm saving an echo :P
[18:35] <macavity> and more
[18:35] <nachox> ?
[18:35] <macavity> with pipes you do at a bare minimum two full context switches
[18:35] <kjell> Although I don't know if it's appropriate. Would it be more difficult to do a slackbuild for Zand Studio for Eclipse than any other app?
[18:35] <kjell> Zend*
[18:35] <nachox> oh, its more performant
[18:35] <macavity> and if the pipie only reads one char at the time you do a hell of a lot more then that
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[18:36] <macavity> a full context switch means that the TLB and L1[i/d] chaches gets flushed three times
[18:36] <nachox> unfortunately i do not trust bash for my shell scripts
[18:37] <nachox> i've had far too many surprises
[18:38] <macavity> personally i think bash-specifics should be avoided
[18:38] <macavity> the idiotic backtics has haunted me more times than i care to remember
[18:38] <nachox> backticks are not bash specific
[18:38] <macavity> they are a POSIX violation all the same
[18:38] <nachox> they are specified and deprecated by posix actually
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[18:40] <macavity> they dont nest, they are hard to read, they are hellish to type for lots of non-US keyboards
[18:40] <nachox> they are, i do not use them
[18:41] <macavity> i have to type "Alt Gr" + "random collection of accents" + Space to get one
[18:41] <nachox> i actually use ksh94 for my shell scripts these days
[18:41] <macavity> thats because you are special ;-)
[18:41] <nachox> not at all
[18:42] <macavity> i stick with the standard GNU userland, but try to avoid GNU specifics in all other areas than C
[18:42] <nachox> i just found that david korn is more reliable than the fsf foundation for my shell scripts :P
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[18:43] <macavity> .. the few GNU extentions to C that exists are pretty damn well thought out.. and are likely to eventually get accepted into mainline (some of them already are for C99)
[18:43] <nachox> there are pragma things that are just nasty
[18:43] <straterra> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/signlanguage/4315031/Sign-language-week-33.html?image=4
[18:43] <macavity> all compilers have their own special pragmas
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[18:44] <nachox> agreed
[18:44] <macavity> btw, is there any other free/open C compiler worth mention?
[18:45] <fred> ....
[18:45] <fred> oh, didn't see the word "other"
[18:45] <macavity> lol
[18:45] <macavity> fred: i am not THAT dimlit :P
[18:45] <A-life> haha fred, neither did i, i almost fell off my chair ^^
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[18:46] <kjell> Hm... if I make a slackbuild for an application. Should I somehow add it to slackbuilds for validation or something to make it public available in the future?
[18:46] <nachox> macavity, pcc?
[18:46] <macavity> thanks for the great faith you have in my knowledge guys :P
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[18:46] <hiptobecubic> straterra, wow.
[18:46] <lw0x15> =]]
[18:46] <macavity> kjell: yes.. once you are 101% sure you have it combed and cleaned and scrubbed nice an clean, send it in :-)
[18:47] <macavity> *and
[18:47] <kjell> Oh, I don't have that faith in me yet haha :D
[18:47] <macavity> throw it at me then
[18:47] <lw0x15> lol
[18:47] <kjell> macavity: Yes sir!
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[18:47] <hiptobecubic> kjell, i've made some little ones. Just follow the instructions on the submission page
[18:47] <macavity> :P
[18:47] Nick change: lin -> Linuzo
[18:47] <kjell> :D
[18:47] <nachox> macavity, well pcc is bsd licensed, i dont know if that qualifies as free/open for you
[18:48] <ccfreak2k> http://pastebin.ca/1324894 I can't get it to wrok.
[18:48] <Linuzo> Does anyone know how to get rid of these black squares that show up on my desktop when I right click or open KDE menu?  I'm using NVIDIA 9800GT with accelerated drivers.
[18:48] <ccfreak2k> Line 9 might have violated a few parts of the Geneva convention.
[18:48] <macavity> nachox: i follow the FSF specs on what licenses constitue Free Software.. and naturally the BSD family constitutes that
[18:49] <macavity> Linuzo: if you are using a propietary driver that fscks up on you... guess where you complain...
[18:50] <Linuzo> ok, well I wasn't complainign just wondering if anyone else maybe saw this issue and had a fix for it..  thanks anyways I'll keep searching the google god since freenode isn't anyhelp.
[18:50] <nachox> macavity, also llvm
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[18:52] <macavity> nachox: llvm is a little too special purpose for what i was asking for :P
[18:53] <nachox> if you skip the open part there is also the sun studio compiler
[18:53] <macavity> and pcc is not even supported by BSD any more
[18:54] <macavity> you just couldnt resist, could you? :P
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[18:55] <nachox> i merely point to good software  regardless of the license
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[18:55] <nachox> and i just LOVE dbx, much better then gdb
[18:56] <macavity> anyhow, since i dont support propietary compilers, and gcc is the only "real" Free compiler available, i gather that using the gcc specific pragmas is allright
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[18:56] <macavity> .. i wont even IFDEF _GCC them :P
[18:57] <nachox> these days i dont think you have a real choise, if you code doesnt have gcc specifics your makefiles probably do
[18:57] <macavity> icc will probably choke on it.. but what the heck, people are free to tinker with my gode
[18:57] <nachox> icc is cool too, i forgot about it :P
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[19:02] <lw0x15> still dont know why i can only access my webserv through localhost but not internet
[19:02] <nachox> macavity, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers#C.2FC.2B.2B_compilers
[19:02] <lw0x15> ;-/
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[19:04] <thumbs> lw0x15: you can't access your public IP from your LAN.
[19:04] <Pig_Pen> i think google's search engine has gone to hell in a handbasket, seems like it turns up more trash than treasure anymore
[19:05] <straterra> lw0x15: you..have to forward ports on your router/firewall, etc
[19:05] <straterra> also, lots of ISP's filter port 80
[19:05] <thumbs> even so, you cannot access your public IP from your LAN
[19:05] Action: rapid just stepped on a bee :(
[19:06] <stitchman> you can register your ip to a free service like dyndns so you have a url to point at with your browser
[19:07] <stitchman> dyndns will also let you port hop so that traffic going to port 80 at your url will be redirected to any port of your choosing at your router, like 3000 so you can get around ISP level port blockages
[19:08] <thumbs> stitchman: not any more, no.
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[19:09] <stitchman> thumbs not any more what?
[19:09] <thumbs> stitchman: they don't allow you to do that anymore.
[19:09] <thumbs> the port hopping part.
[19:09] <stitchman> really i still do it through them
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[19:10] <NyteOwl> is Watcom still available? it was free to use, though I don't know if the source code for then compiler was available
[19:11] <stitchman> they call it WebHop URL forwarding
[19:12] <stitchman>  slack-fu.com   WebHop   http://www2.slack-fu.com:3000/  for example
[19:16] <thumbs> stitchman: oh neat. I was under the impression that the service was terminated.
[19:16] <thumbs> (I just switched mine to a webhop)
[19:17] <stitchman> i love dyndns
[19:17] <thumbs> now I can tell people to use my hostname. Wee!
[19:19] <stitchman> they can even mask your real url, so that its just domain.com instead of the port and all but i turned off that feature.  it caused all links i went to from my page to look like it was under my domain
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[19:20] <thumbs> stitchman: as long as I can tell people to go to mysiteaddress and press enter, that's all that matters.
[19:20] <thumbs> stitchman: they used to press enter before typing in the port
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[19:20] <stitchman> ahh
[19:22] <hiptobecubic> who was that jerk that posted that photo of the sign? You just wasted over an hour of my life. i only just dragged myself off of that site
[19:22] <stitchman> hiptobecubic what sign?
[19:22] <hiptobecubic> stitchman, ask straterra
[19:23] <kjell> Oh, darn! Need to leave so I don't waste an hour of my life. Learn from the past!
[19:23] <stitchman> scrolled up, found it
[19:24] <stitchman> did it take an hour because it takes 45 seconds for the page to change when clicking NEXT?
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[19:26] <ccfreak2k> Can someone cook up a quick boolean for an if block that's roughly "if [ not "./somedirectory" -d ]
[19:27] <ananke> ccfreak2k : if you want people to give you code, you should use pseudo code
[19:28] <ccfreak2k> If I want comments otherwise, I should ask for them too.
[19:28] <ananke> it's not a comment
[19:28] <straterra> ananke: I need code for an OS to do this startup-with-all-support-for-devices; run-stable-foreever; run-binary-from-any-os;
[19:28] <straterra> please
[19:29] <ananke> straterra : haha
[19:29] <nachox> that code makes no sense, tell us what you want to do in english
[19:29] <ccfreak2k> I didn't say it was.
[19:29] <ananke> ccfreak2k : tell us in pseudo code, don't use half baked broken code
[19:29] <ccfreak2k> At least what nachox said makes more sends.
[19:29] <ccfreak2k> Sense.
[19:29] <ananke> ccfreak2k : if it doesn't make sense, ask
[19:30] <dive> ccfreak2k, not = !
[19:30] <nachox> ananke, you knew a bit about photography, right?
[19:30] <ananke> nachox : i know some basics, if that's what you wonder. last photography class i took was probably 15 years ago
[19:30] <NyteOwl> nachox: making porn doesn't count
[19:30] Action: NyteOwl ducks
[19:31] <ananke> NyteOwl : it sure does. have you noticed the quality difference between 'amateur' and 'any other' category? :)
[19:31] <NyteOwl> ananke;  LOL
[19:32] <nachox> ananke, i have a sony camera that has problems with pics with little light, unless i place the camera on a table or something steady, the pic gets blured, i'm wondering if there are cameras that are better in that situation than my current one
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[19:33] <NyteOwl> nachox: digital?
[19:33] <nachox> mine is a sony w55, and it's digital
[19:33] <ananke> nachox : generally speaking, most home-user digital cameras have problems with low light conditions
[19:33] <NyteOwl> yup, low light is a problem for digis except the very pricey ones
[19:34] <nachox> what home-user camera doesnt? :P
[19:34] <kjell> I believe in miracles, since you came along. *singing*
[19:34] <ananke> nachox : well, generally speaking, the lower the f-number the camera's optics can do, the better it will do in low light conditions
[19:34] <NyteOwl> The digi SLR's aren't bad in low light - even the lower end ones
[19:35] <nachox> or a better question, what should i look in a camera to tell whether it will have the same problem or not?
[19:35] <NyteOwl> that new Canon Powershot G10 seems to do well too
[19:35] Action: ananke is partial to canons
[19:35] <dive> nachox, look for iso control
[19:35] <dive> and see what speeds it uses
[19:35] <NyteOwl> dpreview.com has some decent reviews and testing procedures
[19:36] <nachox> ananke, my problem with canon is that it uses standard AA bats, those dont last long
[19:36] <ananke> nachox : what's the lowest aperture your camera can do?
[19:37] <ananke> nachox : that's why i love those: my canon has 4AA batteries, and i use rechargable ones.
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[19:37] <nachox> dive, i checked that control, i actually modified it, the picture look less... real i think, i dont know how to explain it
[19:37] <kjell> Is there a way to run ventrilo under Linux/Wine etc? My friend changed to Windows because of just that little app.
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[19:37] <ananke> 4AA last a long time, and if all sets that i have on hand are no longer charged, i can use off-the-shelf
[19:37] <NyteOwl> yes, soemthing that can take AA's if possible is always a good choice all other thigns ebing equal
[19:37] <A-life> kijell, yes
[19:38] <ananke> nachox : what's the model of your sony camera?
[19:38] <NyteOwl> my little Fuji is a nice snapshot camera but it's low light sucks - even the LCD is unuseable
[19:38] <nachox> dsc w55, it can do iso1000
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[19:38] <dive> nachox, it may make the picture grainy but this is worse on older cameras
[19:38] <kjell> A-life: Is there another app tweaked to work with Ventrilo then? He couldn't get it working with Wine and I've seen a lot of people having problems with that aswell.
[19:39] <ananke> the 'iso' numbering doesn't really apply well to digital cameras
[19:39] <nachox> dive, that's the word i was looking for, grany
[19:39] <NyteOwl> no, usually it's maximum useable ISO rating is a bit below the max they say it can do
[19:39] <dive> kjell, you using ventrillo for gaming? Have you tried teamspeak? There's a linux client
[19:40] <A-life> kjell: nah, you can run it through wine reasonably well, it takes messing with codecs, and alot of times a few settings on the server need to be tweaked at time to allow a client running through wine to connect
[19:40] <kjell> dive: Nah it's not me. I don't do gaming. Although I was trying to convince my friend to switch back to Linux.
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[19:40] <kjell> A-life: I see. Will do some googling to see if I can help him a bit more, hehe.
[19:41] <nachox> NyteOwl, i had a canon that ATE AA batteries, they lasted like 50 or 60 shots, the batt in my sony can be used for more than 2 times that
[19:42] <NyteOwl> nachox: digis eat alkaline batteries anyway. they require high currents and the alkalines just don't last long like that
[19:42] <A-life> kjell: right on, it was a while ago when i used it, used to be one of those WoW losers and needed vent to raid with my guild ;)
[19:42] <NyteOwl> my fuji is like that maybe 50-60 shots anda pair of alkalines are shot
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[19:42] <ananke> nachox : 50-60 shots? that's just crazy. my canon a610 with 4AA's lasts for at least 600-700 shots, on used charged batteries
[19:43] <nachox> ananke, alkaline batts
[19:43] <ananke> i see your sony camera goes to f2.8, which is pretty much the biggest aperture for most home-user digital cameras
[19:43] <thumbs> I take 300 shots easily with mine, without a flash.
[19:43] <thumbs> ananke: yeah 2.8 is the max is goes.
[19:44] <FriedBob> Any of y'all good at troubleshooting OpenVPN?
[19:44] <ananke> nachox ; alkaline batteries have actually more juice than a typical rechargable :)
[19:45] <thumbs> but rechargeable are better over time
[19:45] <ananke> thumbs : yep
[19:45] <thumbs> just carry 2 extra sets in your camera bag.
[19:45] <ananke> nachox : now, the lower that number your camera can achieve, the more light can pass to the sensors, the better it will do in low light conditions
[19:45] <kjell> Whats the main advantages from slackbuilds and the apt-get-systems etc?
[19:45] <thumbs> I did a whole trip (over a week) with three sets of batteries
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[19:46] <ananke> kjell : advantages of slackbuilds over the apt-get systems?
[19:46] <thumbs> kjell: you can't compare both systems.
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[19:47] <nachox> kjell, slackbuilds are just scripts that can be used to build a slackware package from the sources, you cant compare it with apt
[19:47] <kjell> Hm, ok.
[19:47] <nachox> ananke, you're basically saying that i'll have the same problem with any home camera i buy?
[19:47] <thumbs> kjell: slackware does not do automatic dependency checking like apt does. And that's a good thing, too.
[19:49] <macavity> kjell: also, slackbuilds are build on a common frame, which makes it easy to edit/tweak them if you need something different
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[19:49] <thumbs> ananke: try capturing running kids indoor with that Sony.
[19:49] <thumbs> ananke: it's bloody hard to get a clear picture.
[19:49] <kjell> thumbs: Like, you have to know if you have necesary apps installed to run the specific program? I'm trying to find what depencency check really means on google.
[19:49] <nachox> thumbs, what sony?
[19:49] <thumbs> ananke: the best I can do is 1/1500 at 2.8
[19:50] <macavity> kjell: also, doing this from source will make your particular build detect what you have installed, and automatically add support for it
[19:50] <kjell> macavity: Thats a good thing.
[19:50] <thumbs> nachox: let me get my bag, I forgot
[19:50] Action: nachox used to have a canon a60
[19:50] <macavity> kjell: for instance, if you have libdvdcss and libdvdread installed, most media players will detect this during the ./configure phase
[19:50] <NyteOwl> And people wonder why I prefer film :)
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[19:51] <thumbs> nachox: I also have a samsung digimax D53 with the same specs.
[19:52] <kjell> macavity: Hah, how nice.
[19:52] <thumbs> nachox: what is your model again?
[19:53] <nachox> dsc w55
[19:53] <thumbs> nachox: ah
[19:54] <thumbs> nachox: oh, your shutter is faster.
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[19:54] <thumbs> nachox: then again, you want a slower shutter in a low light environment.
[19:55] <nachox> thumbs, a slower shutter probably means it's more sensible to movement
[19:55] <nachox> right?
[19:55] <thumbs> nachox: of course.
[19:55] <NyteOwl> no slower than necessary heh
[19:55] <thumbs> nachox: but it lets more light in.
[19:56] <thumbs> nachox: for instance, at 1/2000 (the fastest your camera can do), you will get a very dark picture inside, unless you use the flash.
[19:56] <thumbs> nachox: 1/750 is a good compromise
[19:56] <nachox> the flash in these cameras is useless, it will be ok if youre about 4-5 meters away
[19:56] <NyteOwl> damn few consumer level flash units and cameras that will synch at that spe4ed heh
[19:57] Action: lw0x15 wants night vision in his nokia ;-D
[19:57] <thumbs> nachox: yeah, but it's useful for the front lighting. You still want good ambient lighting in thr back of the target.
[19:57] <thumbs> nachox: of course, a good lamp on a pole will do wonders in those cases.
[19:58] <nachox> thumbs, http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9464/dsc02510wc8.jpg
[19:59] <thumbs> nachox: then again an anti-reflection panel facing each light source is essential.
[19:59] <thumbs> nachox: overexposed.
[19:59] <thumbs> nachox: was that taken at 1/2000?
[19:59] <NyteOwl> I always wanted one of the Sony's that used floppies. As I have tons of floppies hehe
[19:59] <nachox> thumbs, nah, it was taken throw a closed window :P
[20:00] <nachox> the sun reflected on the glass
[20:00] <thumbs> nachox: ah, the lens got confused.
[20:00] <thumbs> nachox: do you want to see my pictures from my trip? Lots of mountains there too.
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[20:02] <nachox> thumbs, this one is worse http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n82581989712207609976vu5.jpg
[20:02] <nachox> the light beams look cool though
[20:02] <thumbs> http://10.1.1.2:81/gallery2/v/Francois+Pics/Edmonton+2008/Part03+-+Banff+Gondola/
[20:02] <thumbs> some cool mountain shots.
[20:02] <thumbs> err
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[20:03] <macavity> :P
[20:03] <thumbs> http://avenger.homeunix.org:81/gallery2/v/Francois+Pics/Edmonton+2008/Part03+-+Banff+Gondola/
[20:03] <nachox> that cant be ok
[20:03] <nachox> ohh
[20:03] <nachox> hehe
[20:03] <thumbs> sorry, that was my local IP.
[20:03] <thumbs> nachox: ah, you were facing the sun.
[20:04] <thumbs> nachox: I hate that.
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[20:04] <nachox> yep, i trusted the clouds would have helped more...
[20:05] <thumbs> I would have needed 1/2000 there. 1/1500 doesn't quite cut it
[20:05] <mbhayes> btw.. Slamd64 12.2 was released today
[20:05] <thumbs> it was so sunny on that day
[20:05] <mbhayes> just an FYI :P
[20:05] <nachox> congrats fred
[20:05] <thumbs> nachox: do you use the manual mode at all?
[20:06] <nachox> thumbs, not much
[20:06] <thumbs> nachox: it makes a tremendous difference.
[20:06] <FriedBob> acidchild: SYN?
[20:06] <nachox> thumbs, i actually thought they were better, i would have taken new ones had i known they were overexposed, but the lcd doesnt help with those minor problems
[20:07] <mbhayes> let me see if he's on IM
[20:07] <nachox> you just cant see them
[20:07] <thumbs> nachox: there is a simple trick to figure that out.
[20:07] <thumbs> nachox: hold down the button midway in manual mode, and the exposure is at the bottom of the lcd.
[20:08] <thumbs> nachox: unfortunately, I don't think automatic mode gives you that information.
[20:08] <acidchild> FriedBob: fin?
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[20:08] <nachox> i had not noticed that, thanks thumbs
[20:09] <FriedBob> acidchild: Do you have time to help me with an openVPN issue?
[20:09] <mbhayes> FriedBob: I got him
[20:09] <FriedBob> mbhayes: Danke
[20:09] <thumbs> nachox: sure. It's a lifesaver.
[20:09] <mbhayes> no problem
[20:09] Action: mbhayes has "people"
[20:09] <nachox> thumbs, how do you reduce the aperture in that mode?
[20:09] <FriedBob> So do I...  I have soylent green every morning.
[20:09] <thumbs> nachox: the faster the shutter is, the less light comes in.
[20:10] <macavity> lol... i just momentarily had a ping of 13.37 :P
[20:10] <acidchild> FriedBob: sure
[20:10] <thumbs> nachox: so it's just a matter of setting the shutter speed depending on the indirect light source strength.
[20:10] Action: NyteOwl hates speed controled autoexposure
[20:10] <acidchild> watching kill bill bill :)
[20:10] <NyteOwl> aperture control is much better
[20:10] <thumbs> nachox: 1/250 is nice for cloudy days.
[20:10] <nachox> how do i set that? i trust all the sony have more or less the same controls
[20:11] <FriedBob> acidchild: CLient mahcine is XP SP3, using the GUI in a server-client setup.  I can connect, but then it fails when the server tries to push
[20:11] <thumbs> nachox: it's the round button on the back on yours, I believe. Press the center button, and you can press the left/right button to adjust.
[20:11] <acidchild> FriedBob: push routes?
[20:11] <FriedBob> acidchild: Missing or unrecognized options in [PUSH-OPTIONS]:6:topology
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[20:12] <thumbs> nachox: the ring with the button in the center, that is.
[20:12] <FriedBob> acidchild: I'm trying to figure out how to try it via CLI, but don't know WTF I am doing. :(
[20:12] <acidchild> doesn't the gui generate a config?
[20:12] <nachox> thumbs, if i press that in the normal mode it does nothing :P
[20:12] <acidchild> just use that config from cli?
[20:12] <thumbs> nachox: are you in manual mode?
[20:12] <FriedBob> acidchild: I have a config that was provided by my office
[20:13] <FriedBob> acidchild: I'd like to, but dunno how and not having much luck finding that int he docs just yet.
[20:13] <thumbs> nachox: turn the knob on top until you switch to manual.
[20:14] <acidchild> openvpn -cd /etc/openvpn -c openvpn.conf
[20:14] <acidchild> ?
[20:14] <nachox> thumbs, mode P which is automatic with manual options
[20:14] <thumbs> nachox: ummmm
[20:15] <thumbs> nachox: and when you press the nipple in the ring at the bottom, what happens?
[20:16] <NyteOwl> she orgasms?
[20:16] <thumbs> NyteOwl: funny.
[20:17] <nachox> hehe
[20:17] <nachox> i believe the center buton is used only as an accept button inside submenus
[20:17] <thumbs> odd.
[20:18] <thumbs> I have been using the samsung too much.
[20:20] <thumbs> nachox: sorry, let me find the camera over there
[20:21] <nachox> thumbs, ok, this sony camera doesnt have something more manual than what i use, i cannot change that setting
[20:21] <thumbs> :(
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[20:22] <nachox> thumbs, http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071010012256AAVwioi
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[20:22] <thumbs> nachox: bummer.
[20:23] <ananke> nachox : that sucks
[20:23] <nachox> indeed
[20:23] <thumbs> nachox: manual mode is SO much fun.
[20:23] <ananke> nachox : well, time to get a canon :)
[20:23] <thumbs> or get the samsung.
[20:23] <nachox> i might
[20:24] <nachox> your's is cool ananke? it seems like mine is a bit newer
[20:24] <ananke> besides the manual, i'd suggest a camera that has additional modes: aperture preferred, shutter preferred, and so on
[20:24] <ananke> nachox : mine is just a damn good design :)
[20:24] <nachox> hehe
[20:24] <nachox> any recommendation?
[20:24] <thumbs> I like those late night discussions
[20:25] <ananke> seriously, the a610/620/630/650 is a good all around design. 4x optical zoom is sufficient for most operations, manual modes are there, and the best thing is the swivel viewer
[20:25] <mbhayes> wtf
[20:25] <thumbs> I have to say that the canon is a great little model
[20:25] <mbhayes> ananke: Is there anything that you DON'T know about?
[20:25] <lw0x15> lol
[20:26] Action: mbhayes = Dominian btw ananke 
[20:26] <ananke> mbhayes : yep. quantum physics :)
[20:26] <mbhayes> hehe
[20:26] <mbhayes> ananke: Quantum Computing.. some day..
[20:26] <mbhayes> Need a DVD?  nano second later.. you got it
[20:26] <lw0x15> :))
[20:26] <mbhayes> bit torrent will be a thing of the past!
[20:26] <lw0x15> mbhayes: it will be like in wall-e
[20:26] <lw0x15> (:
[20:27] <mbhayes> I have yet to see that
[20:27] <thumbs> ananke: 4x optical zoom is rather weak
[20:27] <FriedBob> mbhayes: Don't wate your time
[20:27] <mbhayes> my daughter wants to see it.. they had it playing at Sam's Club the other night when we went shopping.
[20:27] <ananke> nachox : i did spend some time researching available cameras at the time i bought it, that's why i'm pleased with it
[20:27] <mbhayes> FriedBob: Hey.. if my daughter wants to see it...
[20:27] <lw0x15> :))
[20:27] <ananke> thumbs : indeed, it is. it was decent around the time i was getting it - 3 years ago
[20:27] <FriedBob> mbhayes: It's like Al Gore does Disney - 2 hours of eco-politcal preaching
[20:27] <mbhayes> heh
[20:27] <nachox> ananke, i didnt buy my own, it's kind of the family camera, i dont actually know who bought this one
[20:28] <thumbs> nachox: what is your budget at the moment?
[20:28] <ananke> ohh, and for all of you DIY freaks, i can use custom firwmare on my canon
[20:28] <ananke> s/firwmare/firmware
[20:28] <macavity> i found wall-e quite facinating
[20:29] <macavity> not to mention rather funny at times
[20:29] <nachox> thumbs, i have one year to save money till my next vacation
[20:29] <thumbs> nachox: can you afford a SLR digicam?
[20:29] <thumbs> nachox: it's beat the crap out of the canon's
[20:29] <ananke> macavity : i find all of their movies quite fascinating. they just know how to do it
[20:29] <thumbs> s/it's/it'll/
[20:29] <nachox> thumbs, what's so good about them?
[20:30] <thumbs> nachox: it's like the manual mode on steroids.
[20:30] <ananke> digital slr is the nice combination of having full control, with cheap film
[20:30] <thumbs> nachox: 1) it can focus much faster than those consumer-grade cameras and
[20:30] <twolf> can get some nice lenses too
[20:30] <nachox> as long as it also has a somewhat auto model i can rely on when i cant be bothered to play with manual settings....
[20:31] <thumbs> nachox: of course it has auto modes.
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[20:31] <nachox> i think the problem with those cameras is that they are not really portable, right?
[20:31] <ananke> nachox : correct. they have a full size body
[20:32] <NyteOwl> ???
[20:32] <NyteOwl> not portable? why would they nt be portable?
[20:32] <ananke> here's why slackware users may like canon cameras: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK <- custom firmware additions
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[20:32] <ananke> NyteOwl : well, i think he meant it's a bit bigger/bulkier
[20:32] <ananke> it's not like you can put it in your pocket
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[20:33] <thumbs> you should get a camera bag to protect it, regardless
[20:33] <hackedhead> ananke: that is why i am buying a canon to replace my current canon
[20:33] <NyteOwl> true but you can't put a laptop in your pocket either. right tool for the job and all :)
[20:33] <nachox> my sony is easy to place in the pocket, the ones i've seen in the search i just did look huge in comparison
[20:33] <thumbs> putting the camera in your pocket is likely to break it
[20:33] <ananke> one of the neat things this custom firmware does is motion detection
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[20:34] <hackedhead> thumbs: not if you're talking about a consumer cam designed for that form factor
[20:35] <ananke> thumbs : i keep my camera in a bag, or sometimes without it, in my cargo pants. not something i could do with SLR
[20:35] Action: nachox nods to ananke 
[20:35] <ananke> nachox : well, you could just have two of them :)
[20:35] <NyteOwl> I could put my Fuji in a pocket but I don't. Too easy to damage by accident. Again the right tool for the job
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[20:36] <nachox> my girlfriend has a w100 which does have a manual mode
[20:36] <nachox> crap...
[20:36] <ananke> that's what i'm going to do: get a digital SLR or a nice high end digital, for all the fancy photos. for the day-to-day ones, my current canon will suffice
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[20:37] <nachox> ananke, the whole idea of a vacation is to enjoy the vacation, not keeping an eye on one camera while you're using the other :P
[20:37] <thumbs> nachox: straps, and more bags
[20:37] <nachox> and a handgun
[20:37] <thumbs> nachox: carrying cameras is not such a big deal.
[20:37] <ananke> nachox : all my vacations involve having my vehicle :)
[20:37] <thumbs> a ... handgun?
[20:37] <NyteOwl> ananke;  interesting software
[20:37] <thumbs> where the hell do you go on vacation?
[20:38] <lw0x15> :))
[20:38] <hackedhead> to ward off all the nasties who are after the cameras, obviously
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[20:38] <nachox> thumbs, places with higher crime rates than the us :)
[20:38] <NyteOwl> lol
[20:38] <thumbs> I never held a real gun, much less owned one
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[20:38] <ananke> NyteOwl : very. it turns the low-end canon cameras into somewhat more professional ones. things like live histograms, zebra mode, etc
[20:38] Action: lw0x15 shot from ak
[20:38] <NyteOwl> hmm, doesn't support the G10, at least yet
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[20:39] <mbhayes> ananke: I told you I love usaa right? hehe
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[20:39] <hackedhead> my friend has CHDK on his sd870, its very neat
[20:39] <ananke> mbhayes : everybody does
[20:39] <mbhayes> heh
[20:39] <mbhayes> ananke: I need to get a scanner...
[20:39] <mbhayes> So I can deposit@home
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[20:40] <mbhayes> ananke: I have the account setup to page my cell phone on any deposits.. god I love that
[20:40] <ananke> mbhayes : yep, i do it all the time. using an usb-powered canon LED scanner i got at a thrift store, for $4
[20:40] <ananke> doh, make it $2.95
[20:41] <mbhayes> hah
[20:41] <ananke> i was actually looking this week at their car loan rates. i was hoping for a bit better ones
[20:41] <mbhayes> yah.
[20:42] <mbhayes> and one thing I didn't realize.. the checking account gets interest...
[20:42] <nachox> at the very least i have to save cash for a tripod
[20:42] <mbhayes> I was surprised when I saw an interest deposit
[20:42] <ananke> mbhayes : yep, it does
[20:42] <nachox> well, buy one, i dont believe they are that expensive
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[20:42] <ananke> nachox : they're fairly cheap, for $30 you can get a very nice one
[20:42] <NyteOwl> ouch! Leica M8.2 $7000 for the body. Lenses range from $800-$11k
[20:42] <ananke> nachox : however, if you want to be mobile, consider getting a monopod
[20:43] Action: NyteOwl goes back to looking at the EOS and D lines of Canon and Nikon
[20:43] <lw0x15> holy shit thunder
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[20:44] <mbhayes> thunder..?
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[20:44] <lw0x15> lightning!
[20:44] <NyteOwl> this Canon EOS 50D looks nice
[20:44] <ananke> lw0x15 : usually the order is just the opposite :)
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[20:45] <lw0x15> ananke: didnt had time to think
[20:45] <lw0x15> :))
[20:45] <ananke> hackedhead : one thing i haven't been able to get working is the USB remote on my a610, with chdk. that's one thing i really miss having: remote trigger
[20:46] <nachox> what? the auto trigger is not enough? :)
[20:47] <ananke> nachox : you mean the timed one? it's not quite the same as a trigger :)
[20:47] <nachox> yes, the timed one
[20:47] <ananke> nachox : sometimes you want to take pictures of something that's happening now, not what you expect will happen in the future ;)
[20:48] <nachox> you lack planning habilities, obviously :P
[20:48] <ananke> haha
[20:49] <hackedhead> ananke: i'm thinking about getting an sd1100
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[20:49] <hackedhead> and hoping that chdk support for it improves while i own it
[20:50] <hackedhead> though really, aside from RAW and timelapse scripting, i hardly need extra features
[20:50] <hackedhead> i have a real film camera for serious stuff
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[20:50] <straterra> how does real film compare with digital?
[20:51] <ananke> straterra : it feels so much more real
[20:51] <ananke> :)
[20:51] <nachox> hehe
[20:51] <straterra> like sex with no condoms :P
[20:51] <hackedhead> straterra: there are so many nuances to that question...
[20:53] <nachox> would it be cruel to ask how would he know? ;)
[20:53] <ananke> i want to inherit my dad's pentax camera, which uses the 120 film. you can get some amazing quality with it
[20:53] <hackedhead> nice
[20:53] <hackedhead> 120 is awesome
[20:53] <NyteOwl> 120 Pentax? must be a 6x7
[20:54] <NyteOwl> looks like a big 35mm slr?
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[20:54] <hackedhead> my first real film camera was my dad's old pentax too =P
[20:54] <ananke> NyteOwl : i think so, it's been about 15 years since i've seen it last
[20:54] <straterra> my grandfather left me some old camera
[20:54] <straterra> has lots of lenses
[20:54] <Chocotoff> nikon ftw
[20:54] <straterra> no idea what kind or anything
[20:54] <nachox> ananke, ugh, not digital... how can you live with that? :P
[20:55] <NyteOwl> Those were good cameras, though I prefered Hasselblad, Rollei or Mamiya for that format
[20:55] <ananke> when i was growing up, our house had an actual dedicated dark lab room. learned how to develop film/etc
[20:55] <straterra> isnt it cheaper to do it yourself?
[20:55] <NyteOwl> ananke;  I still have one :)
[20:55] <hackedhead> sweet!
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[20:55] <hackedhead> i only learned b&w in high school
[20:55] <ananke> straterra : depends on the scale of your operation
[20:56] <nachox> my grampa was a professional photographer, died when i was less than 1, couldnt teach me anything :(
[20:56] <Chocotoff> i can teach you some stuff ;)
[20:57] <hackedhead> 0_o.... ##slcakware is apparently also #photography
[20:57] <straterra> it involves lube and latex
[20:57] <nullboy> is dennys.com DoS'd for you guys too?
[20:57] <straterra> its not dos'ed..prolly just lots of hits
[20:57] <nullboy> i can barely get the header from the site still
[20:57] <nullboy> lol
[20:57] <kjell> hackedhead: It seems like it, not less interesting anyway :D
[20:57] <straterra> they are giving out free grand slams
[20:57] <nullboy> yeah
[20:57] <straterra> superbowl ads and such
[20:57] <straterra> prolly just zomgtraffic
[20:58] <nullboy> i love
[20:58] <mbhayes> I haven't even been watcin gthe super bowl
[20:58] <NyteOwl> considering the size of images on that page I'm not surprise4d it's slow
[20:58] <ananke> NyteOwl : yep, i think it was pentax 6x7. i recognize the viewer port on top
[20:59] <NyteOwl> nice rig if a bit bulky
[20:59] <mbhayes> but I see the steelers are winning
[20:59] <straterra> nice interception before half time
[20:59] <straterra> 100 yard interception
[20:59] <mbhayes> hah
[20:59] <mbhayes> intercepted in the end zone?
[20:59] <mbhayes> thats gotta hurt
[21:00] <straterra> and it was a bigger guy too
[21:00] <straterra> ran it aaalll the way back
[21:00] <thumbs> NyteOwl: what page?
[21:00] <NyteOwl> dennys.com
[21:03] <mbhayes> I hate my mother-in-law sometimes
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[21:03] <mbhayes> "How do I make sure the ringer on my cell phone is working?"
[21:03] <mbhayes> "read the book?"
[21:03] <straterra> call it
[21:03] <lw0x15> lol
[21:03] <straterra> duh
[21:03] <mbhayes> oh that's not the best part
[21:03] <mbhayes> then she says:
[21:03] <mbhayes> "Well, I tried to call it and it didn't ring.... if I don't have a signal will it still ring?"
[21:04] <mbhayes> *HEADDESK*
[21:04] <lw0x15> haha
[21:04] <mbhayes> bbiab
[21:04] <nachox> mbhayes, you took that call and didnt commit suicide?
[21:04] <mbhayes> nachox: close..
[21:05] <mbhayes> nachox: I'm gong to drink a beer and play some ET to prevent that from happening !
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[21:05] <mbhayes> bbiab
[21:05] <nachox> hehe
[21:05] <NyteOwl> brb
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[21:08] <ganeshix> Hi. My microphone volume went suddenly very low. I didn't do anything...weird.
[21:08] <ganeshix> I played with Kmix and all related to microphones seems to have the right settings (nothing changed since the time it was working)...
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[21:12] <nachox> anyway, thanks ananke, thumbs
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[21:19] <Andi_> Hi, i need some iptables lessons to block ddos attack
[21:19] <straterra> iptables won't block a ddos if the ddos is meant to consume bandwidth
[21:19] <ananke> Andi_ : what exactly is going on?
[21:19] <straterra> if its meant to overload a daemon with connections..it will
[21:20] <Andi_> hm,  i'm with real problems then ;/
[21:21] <Andi_> ananke they are attacking my router, and my muonline server is going down... ;/
[21:21] <ananke> Andi_ : 'how' are they attacking it?
[21:21] <straterra> You need your ISP to nullroute it ahead of you if its just eating your bandwidth up
[21:22] <ananke> you do realize that to prevent something, you need at least basic idea of what's going on? :)
[21:22] <straterra> LIES
[21:22] <straterra> Look at recent US Foreign policy
[21:22] Action: straterra ducks
[21:22] <nachox> i'd be begging that doesnt start a flamewar if i were you...
[21:22] <straterra> Oh come on..twas a joke
[21:23] <Andi_> flood :S icmp, igmp, udp, tcp... ananke pvt
[21:23] <ananke> pvt?
[21:23] <straterra> And as of late..tons worse has been said in here with no consequence
[21:23] <ananke> do NOT message me. i didn't express any interest in having you message me
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[21:23] <nachox> straterra, i know, i was joking :P
[21:23] <Andi_> =/
[21:23] <ananke> [Andi_!i=Andi_@189.7.12.201] i have a ADSL connection, and i'm attacking from a friend's botnet
[21:23] <Andi_> okay
[21:23] <ananke> yeah, uhm, like go away
[21:23] <Andi_> i'm testing my fierwall
[21:24] <Andi_> -.-
[21:24] <Andi_> i see no problem in this
[21:24] <Andi_> you see i attack my ip?
[21:24] <straterra> a friends botnet?
[21:24] <ananke> you associate yourself with people who run botnets. i don't want to help you
[21:24] <straterra> Your friend has legally asked people to run bot software and join his botnet?
[21:24] <straterra> I somehow..doubt it
[21:24] <nullboy> you guys smell that?
[21:24] <nachox> i'm more and more confused each second, is it just me?
[21:24] <straterra> Smells like..bullshit
[21:25] <Andi_> o.0
[21:25] <nullboy> \o/
[21:25] <agentc0re> nachox: No, i'm with you.
[21:25] <Andi_> lol
[21:25] <chopp> stinks yup
[21:25] <Andi_> i want only to increase my firewall protection -.-
[21:25] <ananke> Andi_ : ask your 'friend' for help
[21:25] <nachox> Andi_, why dont you come up with a nice explanation of what the problem youre having is and then come back with it?
[21:25] <Andi_> my friend is a son of the bitch
[21:25] <agentc0re> Andi_: why?  doing anything illegal?
[21:26] <Andi_> agentc0re i dont
[21:26] Action: lw0x15 can see poop coming out
[21:26] <nachox> btw, your friend needs your permision and that of your isp to do that, otherwise, it's illegal
[21:26] <agentc0re> Andi_: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html&ei=0lmGSYCwHpqqtQO23Px3&usg=AFQjCNHLn3H0Zcp90iQy5__y5XBS-gwEiw
[21:26] <macavity> wohaa
[21:26] <straterra> Also permission from people actually ON the botnet
[21:26] <macavity> what a fantastic URL :P
[21:26] <agentc0re> whoops
[21:27] <straterra> I doubt the people in the botnet know/want to be
[21:27] <agentc0re> whatever, it works.
[21:27] <ananke> you know what google needs? a built-in tiny url function
[21:27] <agentc0re> :D
[21:27] <nachox> agentc0re, i'm personally offended by that url, please dont paste it again here
[21:27] <lw0x15> lol
[21:27] <straterra> I'm suprised they don't have their own at this point
[21:27] <straterra> url.google.com
[21:27] <Andi_> nachox i'm thinking in open a muonline server, i have my adsl connection and a slackware router, as i see my real life friends who have game server, they are beein attacked, i want to configure a firewall to protect my muonline nserver
[21:28] <agentc0re> nachox: lol.
[21:28] <straterra> Andi_: you can't unless you control upstream routers. Done.
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[21:28] <nullboy> Andi_: it's easy, just get your own ASN
[21:29] <lw0x15> i swear he changes his question
[21:29] <lw0x15> every time
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[21:29] <Andi_> lw0x15 :o
[21:29] <Andi_> straterra okay, thank you ;) then the only solution is i get a datacenter server ;/
[21:29] <lw0x15> woah a whole data center :o
[21:29] <straterra> even then...you'd have to ask your ISP to nullroute it
[21:29] <straterra> then no one would be able to get to the server anyway
[21:29] <straterra> Soo...
[21:29] <macavity> Andi_: install OpenBSD on it.. most vira/bots flee at the on sight when they encounter OpenBSD.. also, the OpenBSD guys know a hell of a lot more about firewalls than we do
[21:30] <macavity> Andi_: just ask for Theo... he should know
[21:30] <straterra> macavity: that won't stop a DDoS
[21:30] <macavity> straterra: hushhhh
[21:30] <straterra> Err..I mean..i twill
[21:30] <straterra> it will^
[21:30] <straterra> Wait..ubuntu can stop DDoS's
[21:30] <straterra> dosbuntu
[21:30] <macavity> on OpenBSD it will... its just a matter of tarpitting it right
[21:30] <Andi_> okay, thanks to all... any idea to IDC? softlayer, layered tech, theplanet, gige servers? what is better?
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[21:31] <nullboy> i don't even know what to say to that
[21:31] <macavity> Andi_: you are out of our league.. go ask the OpenBSD guys
[21:31] <macavity> Andi_: they are the only ones who actually read manuals and such
[21:31] <straterra> aka, /part ##slackware and /join #openbsd
[21:32] <agentc0re> Andi_: look at untangle for firewall.  You obviously don't know enough to successfully protect yourself and have also failed to show how to use available resources that are as easy as going to google and typing in your question on how to "block" X.
[21:32] <agentc0re> Or configure X.
[21:32] <straterra> xorgconfig!
[21:33] <agentc0re> haha.
[21:33] <macavity> ... or figure out what the cons of X is...
[21:33] <Andi_> agentc0re brazil is a fucking country! :d, i recognize, i'm sory
[21:33] Action: macavity made a pun!
[21:33] <lw0x15> 02:33 < macavity> Andi_: they are the only ones who actually read manuals and such
[21:33] <lw0x15> lmao
[21:33] Action: macavity deserves a lolipop!
[21:33] <agentc0re> WTF?
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[21:33] <macavity> \O/
[21:33] <ananke> an honest to god nutjob
[21:34] <macavity> i HOPE he asks for Theo in there :P
[21:34] <agentc0re> Go brazil for being a country!  \0/
[21:34] <lw0x15> lo
[21:34] <lw0x15> lol*
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[21:34] <straterra> macavity: you don't believe the tarpit thing you said..right?
[21:34] <nachox> the guys at #openbsd will stab him through his adsl connection if he asks what he did here
[21:35] <lw0x15> lmao
[21:35] <macavity> straterra: no.. tarpitting is about the fastest way to boost the effect of a DDoS i could think of at the moment :P
[21:35] <stitchman> halp i m attacking myself
[21:35] <straterra> Good..good
[21:35] <straterra> stitchman: you're still alive..use a better weapon
[21:35] <straterra> I suggest a webcam and a chainsaw
[21:36] <macavity> straterra: now that i've had a little more time... i think a sharp knife to the cable would do it quicker.. but how to get him to belive that?
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[21:36] <andarius> greetings and salutations
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[21:36] <straterra> macavity: the knive actually causes a mirror of the packets..and effectively DDoS'es the person causing the DDoS
[21:36] <straterra> :P
[21:36] <macavity> andarius: boy, did you just miss the biggest $DIMLIT we have seen in a while
[21:37] <straterra> jes..jes he did
[21:37] <macavity> andarius: he made CP look quite bright :P
[21:37] <andarius> macavity: umm, and that is bad how?
[21:37] <straterra> macavity: I wouldn't go THAT far
[21:37] <agentc0re> Just tell him to put lottery balls down his tubes, it clears out the porn and ads.
[21:37] <straterra> The darkest area of the universe couldn't make chris punches look bright
[21:37] <macavity> andarius: you missed a good laugh... and we missed eating waffles while pulling his leg
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[21:39] <macavity> straterra: i though that the first D in DDoS was to sure that back-fires on the packet level would cause next to no effect on the individual nodes?
[21:39] <macavity> *ensure
[21:39] <macavity> that, and to obfuscate the origin of the attack
[21:39] <straterra> of course
[21:39] <straterra> I..was being silly
[21:40] <macavity> i dont know much about what happens below the TCP layer.. so who knows if they would actually get swamped in a shit load of "destination host unreachable" or what ever
[21:41] <straterra> ah
[21:41] <straterra> nah^
[21:41] <straterra> if they just send tons of packets..especially udp..doesnt really matter
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[21:42] <keveam> What's the kernel parameter for disabling a BIOS data check?
[21:43] <macavity> are you sure there even is one?
[21:43] <keveam> No. I googled around and found two, "nobd" which doesn't work, and another that was a string of words and hyphens.
[21:44] <nachox> speaking of tarpit, what are you guys using for that?
[21:44] <straterra> Nothing
[21:44] <lw0x15> how different *bsd is from linux actually ?
[21:44] <straterra> lw0x15: more than you would think
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[21:47] <straterra> If Shorewall ran on FBSD..I'd run FBSD primarily for stuff
[21:47] <macavity> Shorewall?
[21:47] <straterra> jes
[21:47] <nullboy> straterra: shorewall is sne? you like it?
[21:47] <nullboy> sane
[21:47] <macavity> Smoothwall like?
[21:47] <straterra> I like it..its pretty damn sane
[21:47] <straterra> Newer version support ipv6 too
[21:48] <straterra> I like it more than going through all the iptables chain bullshit
[21:48] <keveam> Aha.
[21:48] <straterra> Especially when I need to make a change, quickly, on a router at work
[21:48] <keveam> It was in the man all along.
[21:48] <straterra> Or need to do a new deployment
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[21:49] <macavity> oh.. i was just about to ask him if he didnt think a BIOS upgrade that wasnt corrupted was more appropriate
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[21:49] <nachox> i'm off to sleep guys, as usual it was great talking to you all
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[21:50] <straterra> night
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[21:54] <PaddyMac1> Good evening all.
[21:56] <gades> good evening PaddyMac1
[21:56] <andarius> good evening individual
[21:56] <gades> umm?
[21:57] <PaddyMac1> lol andarius
[21:57] <PaddyMac1> Maybe that should be "loi" because I'm too tired to laugh audibly.
[21:58] <lw0x15> lol
[21:58] <andarius> ltsq
[21:59] <chopp> straterra: have you played with pfsense firewall at all?
[21:59] <straterra> no
[22:00] <straterra> I need to learn FBSD firewalling
[22:00] <chopp> straterra: I was just curious. Been playing with it for a couple weeks myself.
[22:01] <straterra> From what I understand..you can pick between like three different firewalling stacks
[22:01] <chopp> I was unaware of that, but will research it.
[22:01] <PaddyMac1> I thought I felt like chatting, but my melatonin has kicked in.
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[22:07] Nick change: gar0t0 -> littlebitch
[22:11] <macavity> littlebitch?... i think i missed out on something here :P
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[22:12] Action: chopp points littlebitch in the general direction of the kitchen.
[22:12] <straterra> or the bedroom
[22:12] <straterra> or the bedkitchen-room
[22:12] <chopp> true that
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[22:13] <littlebitch> macavity: hduahudas lol
[22:14] <littlebitch> macavity: sorry, I'm drunking right now
[22:14] <littlebitch> macavity: I'm talk english only drynk
[22:14] <littlebitch> :D
[22:14] <littlebitch> I back my last nick
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[22:14] Nick change: littlebitch -> gar0t0
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[22:14] <gar0t0> macavity: ok right now ?
[22:14] <gar0t0> :D
[22:15] <rworkman> You're still a little beeyotch.
[22:15] <rworkman> ;-)
[22:16] <gar0t0> rworkman: one momemnt, I search in my dictonary
[22:16] <chopp> haha
[22:16] <rworkman> beeyotch = bitch
[22:16] <gar0t0> rworkman: eheh
[22:16] <gar0t0> rworkman: thanks
[22:16] <gar0t0> rworkman: I not a bitch =/
[22:16] <rworkman> gar0t0: "beeyotch" is not a correct spelling, by the way.
[22:17] <gar0t0> little bitch maybe
[22:17] <rworkman> gar0t0: I'm just kidding :)  I know -- you're only little :)
[22:18] <gar0t0> rworkman: :8
[22:18] <gar0t0> ops
[22:18] <gar0t0> rworkman: :*
[22:18] <gar0t0> hdusauhdas
[22:18] <gar0t0> rworkman: what you can you back to brazil?
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[22:18] <gar0t0> :~
[22:19] <rworkman> gar0t0: I don't know. Probably not this year, but maybe next year.
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[22:20] <gar0t0> rworkman: when you returnt to brazil ?
[22:20] <gar0t0> heh
[22:20] <gar0t0> rworkman: ok! caipirinha is waiting for you
[22:20] <rworkman> caipirinha?  Who is she?
[22:20] <rworkman> ;-)
[22:20] <macavity> oh, sorry, wasnt paying attention
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[22:21] <macavity> was reading about samba4 and AD/Exchange compatibility progress
[22:21] <XGizzmo_> sounds like an STD
[22:21] <macavity> this is SO teh shaithe!
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[22:22] <rworkman> gar0t0: "compartilhe o momento, compartilhe a vida"  <-- what's that say?
[22:22] <rworkman> Part of a moment, part of your life  ??
[22:23] <gar0t0> yes
[22:23] <gar0t0> "share" the moment, share life
[22:24] <gar0t0> rworkman: you know my english is not good
[22:24] <rworkman> :)
[22:24] <rworkman> caipirinha -- ??
[22:24] <gar0t0> yes, is it
[22:24] <gar0t0> rworkman: pinga
[22:24] <gar0t0> ?
[22:24] <gar0t0> you know pinga ?
[22:24] <rworkman> no :/
[22:25] <gar0t0> liquid white + limbs + sugar
[22:26] <gar0t0> rworkman: thats liquid white you turn :D
[22:26] <bkUp> tasty
[22:27] <gar0t0> bkUp: heheh yes
[22:27] <gar0t0> bkUp: muito bom :D
[22:28] <gar0t0> bkUp: ajuda ai! o rworkman tomou pinga pura, mas nao lembra da caipirinha
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[22:29] <rworkman> Ah yes, I'm familiar with pinga - I think I had some of that at Google in January, and then again in Brazil
[22:30] <rworkman> I think it was Helio that brought some to Google.  Then in Sào Paulo, someone fixed each of us a shot of it
[22:30] <gar0t0> São*
[22:30] <rworkman> oops :/
[22:30] <gar0t0> ;D
[22:30] <rworkman> São Paulo  :)
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[22:31] <gar0t0> rworkman: yes, you "turn" pinga in google
[22:31] <gar0t0> you drink* pinga in google
[22:31] <rworkman> :)
[22:32] <rworkman> and lots of other stuff.
[22:32] <rworkman> I've never been that drunk in my entire life before or since :/
[22:32] <gar0t0> lol
[22:33] <gar0t0> rworkman: ping rules
[22:33] <gar0t0> pinga*
[22:33] <gar0t0> hehe
[22:33] <bkUp> some of these have well over 50 percent alcohol
[22:33] <verbotten124> good news slackers! slackbot-0.9 pluto will build a very nice Gnome 2.24.3 desktop with all the extras!
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[22:34] <gar0t0> rworkman: /j #gus-br
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[22:35] <macavity> verbotten124: that is going to involve a full featured PAM integration... which in terms again means replacing quite a few of the official slackware packages
[22:36] <verbotten124> slackbot does not use pam
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[22:36] <godling> heya
[22:36] <macavity> then half of gnome wont work right
[22:36] <godling> what can anyone tell me about llmnr?
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[22:37] <macavity> godling: wikipedia can
[22:37] <higuita> macavity: there  are gnome projects that dont require pam ( i dont recall their name)
[22:37] <verbotten124> IMHO it works better than dropline or gsb gnome
[22:37] <higuita> gnome likes pam, but doesnt require it
[22:38] <jkwood> Similar to how my truck likes gas, but doesn't require it?
[22:38] <kitche> a lot of programs are now starting to require pam I m just glad my OS comes with pam by default :)
[22:38] <verbotten124> it's built from source, so it's extremely stable, and works well
[22:38] <godling> I see, someone must be using Windows on my lan.
[22:38] <macavity> good night fellas
[22:38] <rworkman> g'night :)
[22:38] <godling> see ya
[22:39] <bkUp> night night
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[22:39] <godling> it's weird, though, it's coming from a crazy ip
[22:40] <godling> maybe it's spoofed? o_O
[22:40] <verbotten124> on my ancient pentium 3 it took about 12 hours to build, on a core2duo you can cut this down to about 3.2 hours
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[22:42] <verbotten124> your not limited to Gnome, you can build any package you want from source with slackbot
[22:44] <verbotten124> just thought i would be helpful and put the word out to my fellow slackers!
[22:44] <godling> is there any reason that i should be seeing broadcast packets from 0.0.0.0?
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[22:45] <nullboy> oh gee thanks
[22:45] <rworkman> godling: *from* 0.0.0.0 ?
[22:45] <godling> rworkman: yeah! o_O
[22:45] <godling> the mac address isn't one I recognize
[22:46] <godling> protocol sez dhcp so maybe it's looking for a dhcp server
[22:46] <godling> s/sez/says
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[22:46] <rworkman> godling: no, those are completely invalid.  DHCP packets would have a *destination* of 0.0.0.0
[22:46] <godling> oh, i thought it was the other way around
[22:47] <godling> so you think something's going on?
[22:47] <rworkman> something is definitely wrong - could be just an app misbehaving though.
[22:47] <godling> possibly
[22:47] <godling> you never know when there are windows machines on the lan. ;P
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[22:48] <rworkman> The first DHCP DISCOVER packets are broadcast to 0.0.0.0 - they have to be, as there's no way to know if there even *is* a dhcp server yet, much less what it is.
[22:49] <rworkman> but 0.0.0.0 is never a valid source address - consider that replies would go to everyone.
[22:49] <godling> what's really strange are these three arp packets asking for 169.254.102.171
[22:49] <godling> that's not even on my network
[22:49] <rworkman> Someone better versed in networking might throw out a corner case to show that I'm wrong though
[22:49] <godling> also, the arp packet wants replies sent to 0.0.0.0
[22:49] <rworkman> godling: okay, that's definitely a win box.  That's the range that MS uses if a NIC is unconfigured
[22:50] <NaCly> Mac OS X uses that too.
[22:50] Action: rworkman files that away as useful info.
[22:50] <godling> sweet
[22:50] <godling> I have found a few other things like that before for Windows
[22:51] <godling> it appears that windows machines really like to leak out all over the lan. :/
[22:51] <agentc0re> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113238/what-is-the-difference-between-0000-and-255255255255-in-ipv4
[22:51] <NaCly> Every time I saw 169.254.*.*, the machine couldn't get an address from the DHCP server.
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[22:51] <godling> I did a whois and the ip was registered to IANA
[22:53] <godling> thanks for the info, guys
[22:54] <godling> what's up?
[22:54] <kitche> man madwifi site is so jacked up now
[22:55] <NaCly> What happened to the Trac page that was so much easier to read?
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[22:57] <andarius> APIPA is acutlay a released standard now and a nix box can do it :)
[22:58] <andarius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apipa
[22:59] <kitche> andarius: I never really looked into Avahi that much really
[23:00] <andarius> it can be done other ways, without Avahi
[23:00] <acidchild> anyone know fuzzballs email?
[23:01] <godling> avahi is a pita
[23:02] <godling> i'm just going to throw that out there without justification of any sort. :D
[23:02] <kitche> andarius: yes but there isn't really a way yet that I know of
[23:02] <kitche> well gnome has ways I know that
[23:03] <andarius> there is a way.
[23:04] <godling> bah, someone bring to me tacos
[23:04] <godling> !
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[23:14] <FriedBob> acidchild: I fixed it!  I had to change from TUN to TAP
[23:14] <acidchild> yeah :)
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[23:36] <acidchild> Peer's certificate has an invalid signature.
[23:36] <acidchild> (Error code: sec_error_bad_signature)
[23:36] <acidchild> whats with that?
[23:36] <acidchild> :/
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[23:49] <nullboy> wow
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[23:49] <TwinReverb> owo
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[23:52] Action: TwinReverb wonders if the world even cares if the steelers won :)
[23:52] <NaCly> woo!
[23:53] <Soul_keeper> bla
[23:53] <TwinReverb> some of the fans are already acting silly, as if their team winning means anything to their own life lol.  they act all big and bad like their team won, when they really had nothing to do with it lol.
[23:54] <Soul_keeper> another victory for obama/biden ...
[23:54] <godling> TwinReverb: you say this like it's some new information -- everyone konws how sports fans react
[23:54] <godling> *knows
[23:54] <godling> :)
[23:54] <TwinReverb> ah
[23:54] <godling> you should see it at my school when some game is on -- the student center gets LOUD
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[23:55] <NaCly> Same here.
[23:55] <TwinReverb> that's when i need an army of slackware-powered attack robots
[23:56] <NaCly> Armarments?
[23:56] <TwinReverb> not sure yet if i want to kill or just paralyze
[23:57] <godling> NaCly: Your handle qualifies you as one-of-the-biggest-dorks-i've-met-in-##slackware-who-i-am-judging-based-solely-upon-the-merits-of-his-handle.
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[23:57] <NaCly> godling: lolz
[23:57] Action: TwinReverb just got that lol
[23:57] Nick change: NaCly -> _NaCl_
[23:57] <godling> NaCly: It's a big plaque, I had to tape on the extra letters.
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[23:58] Nick change: _NaCl_ -> NaCly
[23:58] <NaCly> I
[23:58] Action: TwinReverb is now known as Atomoxetiney
[23:58] <NaCly> I'm honored.
[23:58] Nick change: TwinReverb -> Atomoxetiney
[23:59] <crazyhors> u guys using cdkit?
[23:59] <Frullet> cd ..
[23:59] <Frullet> Fail =/
[23:59] Action: Atomoxetiney shakes his head
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