[00:00] Happy New Year [00:00] happy new years [00:03] man, we got #freenode-newyears +m :( [00:03] evil ops... [00:03] jkwood: Is there no way to duplicate a layer? [00:04] heh [00:04] FriedBob: Umm... there should be. [00:04] None listed in Help -> Layers. :/ [00:04] Ctrl+D will duplicate a selection. [00:06] http://www.microugly.com/inkscape-quickguide/ [00:06] I remember finding that helpful. [00:08] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:09] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] http://omploader.org/vMTJ1eg/J3ffr3aka.mp3 me g00fin around on the guitar [00:10] Just how many times are you going to spam that link? [00:11] i've been saving email headers for no reason. 415MB of them in 2008 [00:12] silvergold318 (i=jeremy@173-18-62-37.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:12] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-57.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [00:13] raystorm (n=raystorm@216-67-46-62-rb1.fai.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [00:14] I'm using Slackware-12.1.0 and apache seems to be configured to listen to TCP Wrappers, how can I disable that? [00:15] sherique (n=e@207.193.28.210) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:15] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:16] FriedBob: have you tried #inkscape? [00:17] I'm just gonna go back to the GIMP for now [00:18] K. Well, you know it's there, anyway. [00:18] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:18] You scared him off! [00:19] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [00:20] happy new year!! [00:20] ovnicraft: Happy New Year. [00:21] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] Happy New Year to Pat and all the fine slackers out there! [00:22] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.212.110) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:23] Happy New Year [00:24] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:25] ray, one solution, if-ya-can't-beat-'em-join-'em: set up hosts_access(5) rules for httpd [00:25] sQuEE (n=narya@host209.200-82-41.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:26] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] rob0 I tried httpd : ALL : allow [00:33] rob0, didn't work after I restarted inetd and httpd [00:38] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [00:39] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] Perhaps your hypothesis was wrong? Something else caused the failure? [00:42] my access attempts don't show up in the access log [00:43] I didn't see anything in any of the other logs I tried [00:45] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:45] Shouldn't it just be "httpd: ALL" at the top of hosts.allow ? [00:46] I'll try it [00:46] cardinal $ grep -q http /etc/hosts.allow ; echo $? [00:46] 1 [00:46] Guess what that means? :) [00:46] eclipse75 (n=eclipse7@G2A-046.ussonet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] hi [00:47] i have a question [00:47] 42 [00:47] 42 [00:47] lol [00:47] crap [00:47] <_paco_> rep [00:47] not that one [00:47] <_paco_> best answer eva [00:47] i think i already asked that before? [00:47] well anyways.. [00:47] It could mean that Ray has some default deny rules in hosts.deny [00:47] why is beer so good? [00:47] oh, 42 indeed [00:48] dot dot dot [00:48] Action: eclipse75 has finally mastered pancakes, so he finally throws his final pancake at rob0 for the final time [00:48] eclipse75: Try asking in ##beer [00:48] That's complicated. It's a function of the type of beer, the individual drinking it, the circumstances surrounding the consumption, the previous consumption history of the individual, the future options available for arriving back home safely, etcetera [00:49] alright, thanks [00:49] rworkman: .. wow. thank you for such an awesome reply [00:49] mmm, beer [00:50] ##beer is invite only :( [00:50] rworkman: Why do handrolled cigars and handrolled cigarettes taste better than machine rolled? [00:50] FriedBob: same sort of answer. :) tobacco quality, TLC of the roller, ... [00:50] machine's always rool the cig's WAAAY too tight [00:50] Happy New Years, fellow slackers. [00:51] I roll by hand [00:51] T-10 here. [00:51] for (foo in *) { why foo?} [00:51] in pkgtool in 12.2 there used to be a fontconfig setup script. what the heck happened to it? [00:51] heh thank you sevard [00:51] In 12.2? [00:51] well, in 12.0 [00:51] hmm [00:51] i just ugpgraded to 12.2 [00:51] development tester! [00:52] hosts.deny denys everything [00:52] unless im unaware of 12.2 [00:52] rworkman: That was for you, btw. ;) [00:52] =/ [00:52] anything really new in slack lately? i havent kept up to date on digi world [00:52] 12.2 got released a while ago... [00:52] /var/log/setup/setup.setconsolefont [00:52] 12.2 is out, but his question indicated it "used to be in 12.2" and now is not. [00:53] hmm yeah im behind [00:53] i remember 12.1 [00:53] rob0: not set consolefont [00:53] hehe my mistake sevard [00:53] (sorry, i'm drinking) [00:53] but the font config for x11 [00:53] [ ] 05.fontconfig Run fc-cache to locate new fonts for Xft ?? [00:53] I used to run it after installing the x packages when X would say "sorry, no fontpath man!" [00:54] BP{k}: yes! that! I don't have that in my pkgtool 'setup scripts' [00:54] sevard: I do. [00:54] why don't I? :( [00:54] Oh, that one. I ate it, sorry. [00:54] sevard: you said you upgraded from 12.0? [00:54] fresh install. [00:55] Action: eclipse75 hugs BP{k} [00:55] Action: rob0 burps up the last of the '08 beer [00:55] IM NOT GAY!! [00:55] Action: eclipse75 runs away crying [00:55] eclipse75 (n=eclipse7@G2A-046.ussonet.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:55] ..... wt .. lol [00:55] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.51.215) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:56] BP{k}: why the hell don't I have the fc-cache script :( [00:56] sevard: have you got fontconfig installed/ [00:56] no. [00:56] hahahahahahahahaha [00:56] Action: sevard puts down the liqour. [00:56] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [00:56] happy new year! [00:56] Action: FriedBob steps outside to smoke a bowl of some of the best pipe tobacco he's ever had - Alsbo Black (with the halo over the A in Alsbo) [00:57] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:57] That's as good a way as in to bring in the new year. [00:57] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:58] heh, i'm not going outside [00:58] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [00:59] windchill makes it about -10'F to -15'F [00:59] ihow is defined pythonpath in salckware? [00:59] s/ih/h [00:59] thats almost -25'C for you euro guys...i'm staying inside [01:00] aaaayoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooGAAAAA! [01:00] FriedBob: :) [01:01] smoking is bad, stop [01:01] happy new year 2009! [01:02] edman007: i feel your pain. 3F atm, -16F with windchill [01:02] happy new year [01:02] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [01:02] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:02] indeed a happy New Year to all [01:02] Today is Sweetmorn, the 1st day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 [01:03] httpd: ALL in my hosts.allow doesn't seem to work [01:03] anyone have a .xawtvrc for webcam I can look at? [01:03] Does tcp wrappers log when it denies something? if so where? [01:03] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [01:03] 2 hours to go here [01:03] raystorm, it does not effect apache when apache is run as a daemon [01:03] T - 3 hours and counting [01:05] 16C here :D [01:06] Action: foureyes779 is glad he's not last... [01:06] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-139-137.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [01:07] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-187-40.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:09] Wed Dec 31 22:09:12 PST 2008 [01:10] Does anyone have a .xawtvrc for webcam I can look at? [01:10] thanks for the help all, I just remembered it was our network firewall.... I feel like an idiot [01:10] I'm writing my own per the xawtvrc man but a working one to compare would be delicious [01:11] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:11] raystorm (n=raystorm@216-67-46-62-rb1.fai.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net) left irc: "time to enjoy the last hours of '08" [01:11] Ray, again, I think y ... [01:12] People come into IRC with their theories, which often happen to be wrong, and they ask questions about those, even in the face of evidence that the theory is wrong. [01:14] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.145) joined ##slackware. [01:15] silvergold318 (i=jeremy@173-18-62-37.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [01:17] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:17] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:17] Its really a shame when my new years celebration consists of watching the Stargate Ark of Truth movie. [01:18] Action: fluxnuk3r has no life [01:18] so go bang someobe [01:18] herbert123456 (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-93-233.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] or even someone [01:18] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] hurray!!! 2009!!!! I made it one year closer to death! [01:19] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:19] herbert123456: \o/ [01:20] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] you need to take up a bad habit, it will only take time off the end [01:20] someone at my friends job put OSX on his HP laptop [01:21] I wonder if you could use the linux kernel and OSX to install OSX anywhere [01:21] Not legally. [01:21] you'd be better off playing with darwin or a BSD [01:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] someone once gave me a macbook with OSX on it, I installed slackintosh on it [01:22] What a waste. [01:22] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:22] it was so old, I wonder how they ever put anything but what was originally on there on it [01:22] fluxnuk3r: got Continuum going here :) [01:23] it didn't even have wireless built in [01:24] so it wasn't a macbook then [01:24] must have been that other thing they had [01:24] hmm ill find it [01:25] powerbook? [01:25] No [01:25] Apple machines had the ability to take a wireless card for ages, the card just wasn't fitted as standard equipment. Which was understandable as the market for wifi gear was next to non-existent when they started [01:25] PB's have wireless built in [01:25] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] At least the G4s did [01:25] Perhaps an early iBook? [01:26] Besides, it couldn't have been a macbook -those are the new mactel wannabe macs. [01:26] The original iBooks were the first machines to have AirPort capability iirc, it filtered out into the rest of the range from there [01:26] powerbook, first newworld one [01:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:27] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-139-137.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:28] jthan (n=jonathan@216-164-31-198.c3-0.smt-ubr2.atw-smt.pa.cable.rcn.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:28] Airport didn't reach the PowerBooks until the Pismos as near as I can tell [01:28] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.92.239) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:29] I put a pcmcia wireless card in there, works decently [01:30] That's all the early Airport cards were, slighly modified carbus cards [01:31] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] so far I've only gotten gentoo and slackintosh to work on it [01:31] im surprised that slackintosh is still around [01:32] There isn't an awful lot still around that supports PowerPC Macs [01:33] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:33] Happy New Year all :) [01:33] plus its so old its not worth using for anything besides checking mail or basic surfing [01:35] With enough RAM and OS X, those old G3 Macs are still fairly capable when it comes to basic stuff like that [01:37] I remember trying to compile something a while back, and there were a bunch of #ifndef x86's lying around in the source and having to fix them to not try to compile for 64bits [01:37] I have a problem with slackpkg. It removed two things I now realize I needed. Is there a log file? [01:37] A couple things needed for mplayer [01:38] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [01:38] mplayer is now broken. How can I find what was removed by slackpkg ? [01:38] /var/log/removed_packages/ [01:38] also check out the scripts one [01:38] libgio-2.0.so.0 [01:39] that's an important lib fwiw [01:39] usr13_: load the MANIFEST file and search foir that and find out what pkg it's from [01:39] usr13_, look in the dir I told you with grep [01:40] it most has directories in there [01:40] since when does slackpkg just remove glib2 ? [01:40] hmm, maybe not [01:42] Old_Fogie: I see now that it's removed audacity and some other apps. [01:42] (Was my first time to use slackpkg.) [01:42] usr13_, you really want to reinstall glib2 and "stat" [01:42] Need to reign it in! :) [01:42] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.145) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:42] glib2 and stat ? [01:43] "stat" == fast [01:43] e.g. now [01:43] Old_Fogie: Using slackpkg ? [01:43] reinstall glib2 with slackpkg? [01:43] usr13_: exactly what command did you run with slackpkg? [01:44] installpkg glib2....tgz from section "l" in the install media. you may need "upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new glib2-....tgz" to play it safe [01:44] its not hard to build from source :P [01:44] upgrade-all [01:44] I dont use slackpkg usr13_ so I cant comment on it [01:44] usr13_: trying to upgrade from 12.1? [01:44] usr13_, does ls /var/log/packages |grep glib2 show glib2 there? [01:44] usr13_, if you're in xfce don't log out man [01:45] til you fix it [01:45] When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. [01:45] rworkman, happy new year to you and your family :) [01:45] Old_Fogie: thanks; same to you :) [01:46] Action: Old_Fogie throws rworkman an e-hug :) [01:46] Old_Fogie: glib2 is in /var/log/packages [01:46] usr13_: are you going to answer my question? [01:46] rworkman: What question? [01:46] Action: rk4n3 faintly hears 70's porn music in the background [01:47] 06:44 < rworkman> usr13_: trying to upgrade from 12.1? [01:47] rworkman, old gio ? I cant recall I'm not stock here [01:47] Action: Old_Fogie chase rk4n3 with an e-hug too :) [01:47] haha :) [01:47] happy new year guys ! :) [01:47] rworkman: The exact command I ran was: slackpkg upgrade-all [01:47] Old_Fogie: aside from "It removed two things I now realize I needed" we don't know what the *real* problem is. [01:48] Man the whole house here is sick. I practically watched the ball drop on my own [01:48] rworkman: But that was several days ago. [01:48] usr13_: yes, I got that the first time, and then I asked another question. [01:48] 6:47 < rworkman> 06:44 < rworkman> usr13_: trying to upgrade from 12.1? [01:48] rworkman, gio iirc is in aaaelfs too [01:48] rworkman: No. [01:48] for whatever that's worth [01:48] maybe it's not handling conflict packages? [01:48] usr13_: okay, you should do: slackpkg install-new ; slackpkg upgrade-all [01:48] I have brokeness that I'm trying to fix. [01:48] eg gio in aaa and glib2 [01:48] What I suspect happend is this: [01:49] usr13_ has packages from other places, and some of them were replacements for stock Slackware packages, and some others linked to things in the first group of others. [01:49] Then slackpkg put the real packages back, so shit broke. [01:49] upgrade-all asked to remove packages and I let it... But now don't remember what they were, now I have broken applications. [01:49] no new dependencies for the new packages without install-new? [01:50] usr13_: upgrade-all does NOT remove packages. [01:50] The only way "upgrade-all" will remove packages is if you have duplicate packages installed -- i.e. exactly what I mentioned above [01:50] It only looks at the versions you have, compares them to the latest versions in the Changelog, and says "Hey! It's different! Upgrade!" [01:50] and then it asks you first whether you want to blacklist them or remove them. [01:51] Well, I'm just guessing that slackpkg did the deed. Don't know for sure..... just know that it got done. [01:51] mplayer no longer works so... [01:51] usr13_, you'll break a ton of stuff without glib2 package installed correctly [01:51] totem no longer works. [01:51] usr13_, hence reinstall it and run 'ldconfig' [01:52] "totem" ding ding [01:52] who's gnome? [01:52] e.g. 12.2 has glib2-2.16.6-i486-1 -- if you use *installpkg* to install glib2-2.16.6-i486-1_someshitfromlinuxpackages.net then you'll have two glib2 packages. [01:52] If that happens, then slackpkg will notice that, and instead of saying "You suck as an admin. Sell your computer." it offers to either blacklist glib2 (do nothing with it) or remove both of them. [01:52] Old_Fogie: Reinstalling glib2 will fix my problem? [01:53] not if you have two as rworkman says [01:53] tho, I dont know what your totem links to for glib and it hard links [01:53] rworkman: I'm beginning to see the potential for adding an "insult mode." [01:53] jkwood: I rather like that idea. [01:53] Why would I have 2 of them? [01:53] you need to tell where you insalled gnome from, ah heck paste the ls /var/log/packages |grep glib see what's up [01:54] I have only one glib2 listed in /var/log/packages glib2-2.14.6-i486-4 [01:54] Action: jkwood git branches his tree and gets to work [01:55] ok, does "thunar" run for you? [01:55] that links to stock glib2 on slackware [01:55] run it from terminal [01:55] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:55] dammit [01:55] I've been reading and dicking with this webcam for hours [01:55] Old_Fogie: Was that for me? If so, I installed gnome from slackbuild [01:55] nothing [01:56] usr13_, ok. but run thunar and see if it launches from an 'xterm' [01:56] Thurin1 (i=Thurin1@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: [01:57] thunar runs a Desktop - File Manager [01:57] yes does it run? open/luanch? [01:57] any errors spammed in console usr13_ [01:57] Yes it runs. [01:58] no erors [01:58] ok, now which program cries for the libgio? [01:58] totem [01:58] d[es [01:58] usr13_, right...you broke gnome-slackbuild, not the libgio of slackware itself. [01:59] actually, mplayer works, it's totem that does not. [01:59] usr13_, try another app for the heck of it, "gwenview" and "gftp" launch them from xterm and see if errors out [01:59] Old_Fogie: Isn't it a little late for someone your age to still be up? ;) [01:59] usr13_, yes totem was built with new libgio [01:59] FriedBob, :) [01:59] I may not have anything but totem broken. So... [01:59] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-186-76.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Old_Fogie: So how do i get libgio [02:00] Way too many fireworks to sleep anyway [02:00] usr13_, libgio in slackware links to a ton of stuff, how about confirming your X will work before you worry about movies :) [02:00] One other thing, tho. I do not have the multimedia plugins for Firefox. [02:01] I can no longer play videos from ewtn javascript:LaunchNormal_EWTNTVEUS_GenericLauncher(); [02:01] head desk [02:01] ldd `which totem`| grep libgio , and see what it needs, install that version ? [02:01] http://www.ewtn.com/audiovideo/index.asp [02:01] or rebuild everthing? [02:01] Old_Fogie: I hope you didn't damage the desk. [02:02] ^^ Those links dont play [02:02] FriedBob, no I give up I can't help him at all he wont listen ya know [02:02] I'll run firefox from terminal and see what erros I get. [02:02] Old_Fogie: Aye. YOu've been around enough to know when to fight and when to walk away. [02:02] usr13_, ff is static...run gwenview and gftp like i told ya [02:03] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] FriedBob, given my last answer apparently not :) [02:03] Old_Fogie: One of the first signs of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results... [02:04] that is so true [02:04] Like turning your computer off and on [02:04] and expecting different devices to be recognized [02:04] oh wait, thats how windows would work [02:05] webcams suck in linux [02:05] or at least mine does [02:05] briareus: No, just yours. [02:05] mine too [02:05] Yes its totem that is broken: http://pastebin.ca/1297521 [02:05] this is night 3 and no success AT ALL [02:05] well, unless you count scrolling white noise as 'imagery' [02:05] gwenview: command not found [02:05] usr13_, ok try gftp [02:05] that's as close as I've gotten, with palantir xawtv wecam, etc [02:06] gftp works [02:06] briareus: Gentoo users seem to like it :P [02:06] briareus: Try a QuickCam [02:07] briareus: Works perfect [02:07] ok so most likely like rworkman said, you ran installpkg of glib2 from the gsb people for your gnome, and slackware was running with two versions of glib2, the glib2 from slackware and gsbs. and slackpkg removed the gsb one. which breaks anythig you'd use from gsb, like totem for example [02:07] usr13_, ^^ [02:07] briareus: Logitech QuickCam [02:07] usr13_, what's alarming is, there could be more duplicate packages of diff versions of other apps on your system. you should really run down the list in /var/log/packages and look for other apps that you did this for as well [02:08] this is a logitech cam, but not a quickcam [02:08] or never install a package that you didn't create yourself [02:08] more like he should have read the readme at gsb before doing it [02:08] Or RTFM first. [02:08] they do list conflicting packages [02:09] http://pastebin.ca/1297523 [02:09] usr13_, that's the cool thing of linux you break it you get all the pieces, I can't read that for you :) [02:10] Old_Fogie: ? [02:11] Old_Fogie: Looks to me like the only thing that broke is totem [02:11] And that is just because upgrade-all uninstalled a couple apps [02:11] and who needs that when you got the cvs of mplayer? [02:11] Old_Fogie: As the great poet said, "Know when to walk way, and know when to run" [02:11] A-life (n=alife@75-167-214-203.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] happy new years everyone :) [02:11] Sorry, I meant to say that slackpkg uninstalled a couple apps that were not in Slackware's tree. [02:11] happy new year A-life [02:12] FriedBob: Was that about me? [02:12] Old_Fogie: You do know which poet it was right? ANd what song. [02:13] FriedBob, I'm humming it right now :D "know when to fold up... [02:13] 'em, not up, but close enough [02:14] I'm better at air guitar [02:14] FriedBob: Are you saying that Old_Fogie should not help me any longer? [02:14] ANywho, I'm out. It's past my bedtime. [02:14] usr13_: No, just saying he should be aware of when that point is reached. [02:15] Oh [02:15] Ok [02:15] Not that I understand... but [02:15] usr13_ : ldd `which totem`| grep libgio , and see what it needs, install that version [02:16] if its not installed that is [02:16] usr13_, it appears you have your slack working tho from launching them apps, they'd have not launched if you broke slackware's libgio. as to helping you get totem working, from gnome-slackbuild I can't help you on that, as I dont use their gnome, but you must be certain to read their docs as they particularly state which stock packages they changeout for *any* apps, like totem here. and great care should be taken when chan [02:16] ging out libs like that. glib2 is part of the toolchain. so read it 4x then ask yorself if you reallyknow what your doine ok. [02:16] or create symlinks of the non-existing library it needs to ones that do exist [02:17] Old_Fogie: I'm actually using KDE, but have gnome installed. [02:17] usr13_, libgio links to arts [02:17] amongst other things [02:18] lets be glad you didnt break the gio in slackware itself :) [02:18] don't replace the existing symlinks for libgio, just if it is looking for a certain version, create a symlink to one that exists [02:18] this couldve been much worse conversation/circumstances [02:18] herbert123456: Where can I find ldd ? [02:18] or where can I find libgio ? [02:19] herbert123456, there was actually a conversation here about that last night that advised never to do that. also on the SBo mailing list, as it breaks "ABI" or was it "API" look at last night logs [02:19] locate libgio [02:19] hmm, but it often works [02:20] I'm not a dev, but again, that's what the smarter people than I hear advised never todo [02:20] s/hear/here [02:20] depends if its looking for a specific version [02:21] hear gives that sentence an odd, but similar meaning :P [02:21] where do I see these logs? [02:21] is there something I'm missing when I go searching for something like libgnomeui--which seems entirely common to me--and I can't find it at slackbuilds.org or on slackware mirror search? Are they not there? is the search funky? [02:21] tiny url something or other [02:21] i dont have the lnk on this pc here [02:21] herbert123456: http://pastebin.ca/1297526 [02:22] what does "ldd `which totem`| grep libgio" show? [02:22] briareus, that's part of gnome, it's not at SBo or slackware, try one of the gnome's for slack [02:22] I just wish slackpkg had a log of things it uninstalled.... [02:22] not that this is going to work..., just maybe [02:22] usr13_, it should go to /var/log/removed_packages usr13_ [02:22] and evidently highly suggested against [02:23] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "leaving" [02:23] Can't you just reinstall the pkg, and blacklist the duplicate entries? [02:24] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:24] briareus, that's in either 'gnome-desktop' package or 'libgnomeui' package at a gnome for slackware (try gware fwiw) [02:25] ,or have the maintainers of the third party package to use the version of these files that comes with 12.2? [02:25] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] I'm just trying to get a webcam to work, and as I pick off one failed tool after another, I'm starting to head to dependency hell for the big apps [02:25] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.67.154) joined ##slackware. [02:25] and I'm really starting to see how much work slackware is [02:25] http://pastebin.ca/1297528 [02:25] as much as I like it, I'm baffled by how manual it is [02:26] briareus, kopete will work automagically in the "preferences" of kopete if the camera is in fact working fwiw. [02:26] briareus, it will open the webcam right away in prefercnes of kopete [02:26] herbert123456: Yes, that's what I'm thinking... re-install the removed packages and blacklist them [02:26] it may be much easier [02:26] briareus, once you do that work however, nothing magically will break due to an update or change happening in the background, ups and downs to ultimte controll :) [02:27] don't use slackpkg, its that easy [02:27] herbert123456: Sounds like very good advise [02:27] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:27] bleeeh s/ultimte\ controll/ultimate\ control/ [02:28] I'll fix what's broken and quit using sklackpkg [02:28] SoftVision (n=chatzill@125.99.51.133) joined ##slackware. [02:28] A-life: true, but for example, the source distro I ran before slackware people like to slam for all the time it takes to compile from source, but that time is totally mitigated in comparison to the time it takes me here to track down and install every dep manually [02:28] gentoo? [02:28] because even compiling from source I had massive automation to get the source [02:28] hell no not gentoo :) [02:29] briareus, highly debatable for me fwiw [02:29] Why not gentoo? [02:29] I do like gentoo file manager, quite a lot though, but no I meant sourcemage [02:29] hi is there a way to install kde 4.2 in slackware? [02:29] Yep. Download the source, then build it. [02:29] SoftVision, /testing in --current and be *sure* to read the readme there [02:29] oh 4.2...errr scratch that [02:29] 4.2 is in testing? [02:29] Nope. 4.1.2 is, I think. [02:30] no repo existing by any chance? [02:30] I'm running 4.1.85 (4.2 beta 2) on Slamd64, though. [02:30] slamd64 has 4.2 beta2? [02:30] Mine does. [02:30] a repo or something? [02:30] briareus, its all person to person, ive been to dependancy hell and back more times than i can remember as well, i still see the value in a distro that doesn't get in my way :) [02:30] audacity: error while loading shared libraries: libsndfile.so.1 [02:30] No. I took the original SlackBuilds and changed the version. [02:31] so you compiled? [02:31] I also had to build libical, and upgrade phonon. [02:31] Yes. [02:31] usr13_, that's a non slack official package too [02:31] A-life: sourcemage defaults to upstream defaults almost entirely, very much stays out of my way [02:31] usr13_, which means your audacity is too [02:31] is 4.2 planned for any of the next releases? [02:31] didn't bluewhite64 have a working build of KDE 4.2-beta2? [02:31] I'm pretty sure that slackpkg is what has broken some of my apps, just not sure what's the easiest way to fix it. [02:31] BWAHAHAHAHA [02:32] Old_Fogie: kopete has an option for webcam? [02:32] briareus, yes it does [02:32] briareus, that's my trick for testing webcams is kopete [02:32] briareus, i always though sourcemage looked cool if for nothing else the fact that all of its descriptions sound like an advert for a D&D book :D [02:32] oopen kopete, go in preferences, click on webcam there, if yousee your face your golden [02:33] Old_Fogie: are you talking about enabling Netmeeting which calls ekiga within kopete? because I don't see an explicit webcam option yet [02:33] Anyone going from one distro to another and think there's no learning from one distro to another is sadly misguided [02:33] let's keep that in mind [02:33] Old_Fogie: Yes, I have non-official packages on my system.... or... I did..... :( [02:33] usr13_, well if audacity is there, that's not part of slackware either [02:33] I don't have a preferences. I have a settings... [02:33] does this kde4 site work for anyone? im getting some opendns error: kde4.rlworkman.net [02:34] "cast slackware: [02:34] briareus, ok that's what I mean sorry [02:34] s/:$/"/ [02:34] briareus, i'm on a nonkde box [02:34] Old_Fogie: Yes, I know that audacity is not from the Slackware tree. [02:35] It appears that rworkman took his kde4 stuff down. [02:35] usr13_, right but the audaicty you installed from others is saying that it needs libsndfile, which was on the pc of the person at the time who built your audacity from. [02:35] Old_Fogie: so I see a black box. That's bad. however the device is loaded, recognized, with kernel modules loaded for it as seen in lsmod and listed per element at /proc/bus/usb/devices... any thoughts from there/ [02:35] usr13_, so that's gone too [02:35] briareus, is the lighting ok, I use gspca andit's always dark [02:35] Old_Fogie: Yes, audacity is broken [02:36] Old_Fogie: I was trying to use gspca but in .28 its in the kernel now and I think it might be all farked [02:36] SoftVision (n=chatzill@125.99.51.133) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [02:36] usr13_, so go to wherever you got audacity from , and read what the depends are of the person who built it [02:36] and install / upgrade accordingly or , remove all crapola from other poeple non-stock slackware stuff and start using slackbuilds.org :) [02:37] briareus, I havent gotten to the cam yet, in a week I should be [02:37] A-life (n=alife@75-167-214-203.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [02:37] Old_Fogie: Yes, I suppose that is what I'll have to do, just piece things back together as best I can. ...But was thinking there would be an easy way to undo what slackpkg has done. [02:37] the kopete testing window shows my device correctly named, the correct input driver, but a black box. Since I can get as of tonight (day three) exactly zero apps working, I'm starting to think it might be this new kernel integration, I've found a couple of people saying theirs doesn't work either [02:38] usr13_: stop saying slackpkg did it. It didn't. [02:38] usr13_, I dont use slackpkg so I cant say, but the removal directory I gave you about 8x should show waht's beenremoved on the system [02:39] strangely, I can't seem to build gspca against even a couple version older kernels, because gspca seems to fail at looking for semaphore.h in the wrong place, and I don't know how people I see online with slackware are getting it to install when in mine it asplodes (I think I tried it in .25) [02:39] rworkman: Ok then what did it?? [02:39] You did. [02:39] slackpkg gave you an option, and you chose the wrong one. [02:39] I might just have to wait a time for the kernel integration, that's all way over my head [02:39] rworkman: Ok, I used slackpkg to wreck several of my applications. There, how's that? :-) [02:40] Better :) [02:40] SoftVision (n=chatzill@125.99.51.133) joined ##slackware. [02:40] rworkman: Yes, that is correct. I chose the wrong option. [02:40] hi how many cds do i need for a basic kde install? [02:40] SoftVision: I no longer host any kde4 builds, as they're superceded by what's in -current/testing/ [02:40] rworkman: thanks for the info [02:41] rworkman: Was hoping it could be easily undone. But... appears not to be the case. [02:41] usr13_: probably not. [02:41] Reinstalling gsb should fix it though. [02:41] usr13_: Was it slackpkg clean-system by some chance? [02:41] jkwood: Might have been... Yes [02:42] so anyone, how many cds would i need for a basic kde installation? [02:42] jkwood: And there were only a coupel of things on the list. Wish I could remember what they were. [02:42] But just don't remember... [02:42] Heh... Very useful, but also the single most "dangerous" command in the program. [02:43] jkwood: Thank you. You reminded me of what it was, I think. [02:43] Well, I may have a way to figure out what it removed, to. [02:43] Saw it in the man page and looked like the thing to do... but... disaster. :( [02:43] jkwood: Really? [02:44] I remember only seeing about 2 items on the list... [02:44] I think so. What date did you do this? [02:45] Was it already the first, or was it the thirty-first? [02:46] Not sure the exact date, maybe 3 days ago [02:46] I've not rebooted since then. [02:46] uptime is 28 days [02:47] Okay. So, what you're looking for is "ls -lh /var/log/removed_packages | grep 2008-12-28" or -29 or -30. [02:47] Oh damn, I'm ulstra fuclked [02:47] ultra fucked* [02:47] lol [02:47] We can see that. [02:47] SoftVision (n=chatzill@125.99.51.133) left ##slackware. [02:47] 3 percs and 1 ms contin [02:47] (prescription of course) [02:48] I see: 12-27 18:50 slackpkg-2.70.4-noarch-1 [02:48] and did the prescription say to take so much? [02:48] tonight, I didn't take them for my pain though [02:48] ... You removed slackpkg? [02:48] so must have been shortly after above date... [02:48] That is the date I installed slackpkg [02:49] We're looking in /var/log/removed_packages, not /var/log/packages. [02:49] Although, that does narrow it down. [02:49] ls -lh /var/log/removed_packages | grep 2008-12-[23][890] [02:50] That should tell you. [02:50] 2008-12-27 18:50 /var/log/packages/slackpkg..... [02:51] ^from /var/log/packages [02:51] Please, just copy and paste the command line I wrote. [02:51] ls -lh /var/log/removed_packages | grep 2008-12-[23][890] returns nothing. [02:51] jkwood: I did. [02:51] Development aside for now, can anyone tell me some music I should listen to while like this? (sorry for impeding) [02:51] Okay. Now we're getting somewhere. [02:52] Desperado667: Swans [02:52] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Desperado667: Swans, specifically the song Failure and Raping A Slave [02:52] briareus: thanks, I'll check it out. Haha, sounds like death metal or something. [02:52] ls -lh /var/log/removed_packages | grep 2008-12- [02:52] I'm up for anything [02:52] Desperado667: more like suicide music [02:53] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:53] Oh, won't work here [02:53] I know two people who OD'd while listening to Swans. One didn't wake. [02:53] That's crazy [02:53] crap, now I can add camstream to the list of apps that won't install [02:53] Action: briareus is demoralized [02:54] http://pastebin.ca/1297536 [02:56] briarseus: if I do kill myself in the future, thanks for the music. Half-way through Failure. [02:56] pretty dark stuff [02:57] http://pastebin.ca/1297538 [02:57] It's decently dark. Kind of reminds me of some of H.P. Lovecraft's stories, for some reason. [02:57] Ah, this looks good. [02:58] ^last 6 lines of output from command: ls -ltr /var/log/removed_packages [02:59] Damn, that song is pretty good actually. [03:00] Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 PST 2009 [03:00] \o/ [03:00] Looks like... glib2, libgsf, libwnck, and parted were all changed from the gsb packages. [03:00] Gonna have to recommend this to suicidal trolls on 4chan [03:00] Happy New Year [03:00] One of those is probably your culprit, usr13_. [03:00] nullboy: Happy New Year, too [03:00] And all [03:00] umm [03:01] i didn't type happy new year [03:01] WTF [03:01] nullboy: Nappy Yew Hear, tinhead. [03:01] jkwood: Yes, probably so. [03:01] Lol, paste? [03:01] Desperado667: get their tune "The Sound" [03:01] no [03:01] seriously. [03:01] wtf [03:01] i did not type that [03:01] It's sure as hell there [03:01] Happy new year all. I must go now. Thanks all [03:01] Happy new year [03:02] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [03:02] Nothing to celebrate yet I say [03:02] nullboy pwned? [03:02] i seriously did not type that [03:02] Desperado667: happy new year !!! [03:02] Lol, did you type it to someone else, or earlier? [03:02] lsmod [03:02] ...and everyone else too. [03:02] no [03:02] [01:00] < nullboy> Happy New Year [03:02] did you type lsmod ? [03:03] right at the top of the hour [03:03] i typed lsmod [03:03] i just checked my IRC command histroy and that is not in there [03:03] ok, at least that's not a spook [03:03] nullboy: strange [03:03] Well, nullboy, I'll take it you're not being so null tonight and decided to tell us all happy new year [03:03] i am not kidding about this i promise [03:03] nullboy: Seen Eagle Eye? [03:03] you know what. i bet it was a pidgin plugin [03:03] i bet it was the pidgin calendar plugin [03:04] That's what you get for using an inferior irc client. [03:04] haha - that would be a slightly dirty trick wouldn't it [03:04] Glad I'm not using that [03:04] Haha, well, I'll just pretend you were thoughtful enough to tell us happy new year. [03:04] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "woot woot" [03:04] I just plugged in a clean 500gb drive. Made it one giant partition and put ext3 on it. df -h says it has 199M used already? Is that ll just filesystem overhead? that seems kind of huge [03:04] That would be your journal, I believe. [03:05] Or possibly nullboy's journal. [03:05] hiptobecubic: 500GB needs a big journal [03:05] Given his adventures so far tonight. [03:05] i guess [03:05] nullboy "dear journal: Happy new year" [03:06] Is that not a good choice of filesystem them? I just picked it more or less at random. I'm just using this drive to hold data on my fileserver [03:06] Will it be deleted from often? [03:07] probably not much no [03:08] haha i found it [03:08] doesn't need to be particularly fast as it's on usb2 and not sata or anything [03:08] it was the irssi plugin [03:08] irssi/datechange.c:91: const gchar *new_year = _("Happy New Year"); [03:08] see, i was serious guys [03:08] hiptobecubic: xfs might be good if you're not deleting often ... otherwise have you considered ext2 ? [03:08] Fabricated [03:09] rk4n3, i haven't considered anything. why would xfs be good if not deleting? [03:09] that is unacceptable plugin spam [03:09] time to file a report [03:09] nullboy, yeah that's pretty ridiculous [03:10] hiptobecubic: xfs is well-designed for large filesystems, and also large files, but its got some seriously slow deletion attributes [03:10] rk4n3, sounds good [03:10] it's borked for delete here [03:10] I prefer xfs if it's a drive that mostly gets written. [03:10] makes it unusable on a dev box /me tinx [03:10] yeah, and reads are good too - just deletes suck [03:10] those crazy plugins, I dl-ed one yesterday, it was written for windows, I had to actually rewrite a little bit to get it to work [03:11] xfs makes a wonderful video archival file system [03:11] i don't have mkfs.xfs... apparently. [03:11] ... media in general, I guess - music can be big too [03:11] unless you gotta delete the videos before the boss gets there :) [03:11] lol [03:12] should i? [03:12] Old_Fogie: that's called the "mke2fs" version of the rm command ;) [03:12] Does that need the xfsprogs package? [03:12] maybe? [03:13] i have 3 jobs to do next week and after that i'm going out into the middle of the mojave [03:13] xfsprogs-2.9.7_1-i486-1:sbin/mkfs.xfs [03:14] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.63.31) joined ##slackware. [03:14] nullboy: Vista II ? [03:14] i real mojave [03:14] the [03:14] haha :) [03:14] are you sure Microsoft isn't just trying to make you think your life doesn't suck ? [03:15] rk4n3, :) [03:18] What the... http://www.xstore.co.za/wordpress/?p=307 [03:18] Action: Old_Fogie runs "./build-old-fogie-gnome.sh" and X fingers [03:22] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [03:25] well, I attempted to run my magicjack software with wine before trying the VM Old_Fogie [03:26] http://pastebin.com/m3728f687 [03:26] and get that [03:27] oh I have no idea about wine, I dont use it sorry [03:27] mounting with mount -o users /dev/node /foo/bar should give any user the permission to write, no? i must have something wrong here [03:27] hiptobecubic, no it depends on the file system, vfat comes to mind [03:28] It's okay. I figured I'd give it a shot before resorting to a VM. [03:28] It's critical I run it for business purposes so oh well. [03:29] ah I see. I have windows boxes for the windows stuff. [03:29] Old_Fogie, how can i manually mount something such that users can read and write to it? [03:29] I will probably end up doing that too. [03:29] if not with -o users? [03:29] hiptobecubic, depends on what it is [03:29] what is it [03:29] xfs [03:30] hiptobecubic, who owns the directory that the file system is mounted too? [03:31] root at the moment [03:31] exactly [03:31] it's 0755 [03:31] he's right you know [03:31] they can't write in the top level of the mount [03:31] i see [03:32] i just got my radio working woo :D [03:32] now its time to never listen to it [03:32] if you did mount /some-dir then mkdir /some-dir/writable-by-users and then chown hiptobecubic:users /some-dir/writeable-by-users and then oh, maybe chmod 0770 /some-dir/writeble-by-users you'd be fine [03:33] then all users in users group could read/write to /some-dir/writable-by-users and below, but not above it [03:33] Old_Fogie, yeah, i just misunderstood the permissions i guess [03:33] thansk [03:33] thanks* [03:33] roger dodger [03:33] i_is_cat: Do tell. [03:33] wow i didnt know there were 18 different fm stations in my area [03:34] Oh, that kind of radio. [03:34] hey jkwood [03:34] its on my tv tuner [03:34] hiptobecubic, now if security is totally out of the need, you could chown the mount point to the user, and mount it there, like oh.../home/hipto/some-mount-dir and then you'd be able to read/wrte completely [03:34] the subdir solution will work fine i think [03:34] hiptobecubic, but there's a reason why the mount point shold be owned by root and all [03:35] i really just wanted to know if it works or not and it seems to be working perfectly :) [03:35] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:35] straterra: o/ [03:35] howd [03:36] howdy [03:36] malibu is girly...but good [03:36] i find..pacing myself works well [03:36] Action: Old_Fogie passes a drink umbrella to straterra [03:36] and a flower for his hair :) [03:36] hey [03:36] hahah [03:37] i started with straight shoots of jose and captain [03:37] Heh... I just finished my root beer, and am considering going to bed soon to sleep it off. ;) [03:37] hey, drink enuff of them, them girly drinks will get ya outta no wheres [03:37] then moved to malibu [03:37] hey guys [03:37] straterra, captain 'mo' good stuff [03:37] happy new years! [03:37] tewmten, happy new year to you too. [03:37] straterra, actually malibu is good, I like coconut [03:38] =) [03:38] i got banana [03:38] I bought more vodka than I can drink... d'oh [03:38] I can drink malibu, I'm not afraid of my sensitive side [03:38] happy new years [03:38] Action: Old_Fogie raises empty glass towards tewmten [03:38] Action: tewmten tops of Old_Fogies glass [03:38] everyone is sick here in the house, [03:38] there ya go sir, a pint 'o vodka! [03:38] I darn near spent it by myself this year [03:39] tewmten, yummy :) [03:39] damn.. I just went over to a mate's flat and chilled out there all evening/night [03:39] wasnt really in mood to go outside and party [03:39] tewtem. so did i [03:40] we have been playing ssb brawl for hours. hahah [03:40] yeah it was a good time so you know.. didnt blew a bunch of cash in the pub or whatnot [03:40] straterra, wait, 'banana' malibu? didn't know they made that [03:40] exactly [03:40] that must taste splendid [03:41] Action: Old_Fogie thought straterra comment about banana was a straterra moment :) [03:41] Action: hackedhead <3 malibu mango in lemonade [03:41] hahah [03:41] hackedhead, be careful of lemon talk here my friend [03:41] :) [03:42] i drank some hungarian peach/honey liquir [03:42] serious chick drink :D [03:42] but was quite good [03:42] haha. [03:42] I think rworkman already went to bed,and fred isn't up yet. [03:42] :D [03:42] So, lemon talk is safe. [03:42] my friends and i came to the conclusion lsat year that chick drinks == delicious [03:43] yeah, I tell ya, some of them frozen girly drinks, they'll get ya if you aint careful [03:43] hackedhead: and guy drinks put hair on your chest [03:43] :D [03:44] when I was younger, I could never stomach gin, or scotch. now...oh my I love it, straight up [03:44] heheh. [03:44] yep i like vodka straight up also [03:44] then there's always that booze, that you got sick drinking, and if you even *smell* it now, you toss your lunch [03:44] gin is still beyond me, but a good single malt bourbon. mm [03:44] i like rye and scotch neat [03:45] Im always up for vodka.. [03:45] can never go wrong with vodka! [03:45] :D [03:45] tewmten, same here, with a little 7up is my fav [03:45] i think vodka was my first experience with alcohol. [03:45] Old_Fogie: i was doing it with 7up quite alot yeh [03:45] sugary, mmm :) [03:45] tewmten, 'madris' is good, vodka-w/orang and cranberry [03:46] ok cool [03:46] i never really had any vodkas that are flavoured, that I liked [03:46] tewmten, you can throw in apple juice too to stimey away some of the bitterness and sweeten it up furhter, depends on the cranberry juice you got really (that should sweeten, but sometimes doesnt) [03:46] its always just tasted wrong in my mouth [03:46] yea it's a very good drink [03:47] i like the bitterness of vodka =) [03:47] girls like it, plus it has vodka so yea it's all good [03:47] thats the part that puts the hair on the chest heh [03:47] I do 50 vodka/ 50 the other stuff [03:47] percent that is [03:47] oufh hehe [03:47] yeah well dont have to drink so many drinks then [03:47] :P [03:48] Oh yea, that's why I hate bars, I like drinks the "way you make em' at home", lot's o booze hee hee [03:48] 50% vodka, 50% water? [03:48] percent as opposed to? 50 oz. of each? [03:48] when we go camping--which is often--we take vodka and those packets of gatorade or powerade 'fitness water' crap, because if you have no cooler you can still drink vodka warm and that little bit of flavor crystals really goes a long way to make a good drink in your canteen [03:48] half part vodka, half part mixer [03:48] is what he meant :D [03:48] 50 vodka, and like 20%orange the remainig 30% is apple and cranberry, makes the drink look an orange color with a hint of purple [03:48] damn linux geek doesnt know how to drink, get hooked up on the numbers around it.. [03:48] drinking at 10k ft is a bit much for me [03:48] lol [03:49] hahaha [03:49] nullboy: that's the best place to drink [03:49] Action: Motoko-chan just avoids the drinking thing altogether [03:49] Oh, I cant drink like I use too,they got laws against it for one :) [03:49] i dunno man it a bit out of hand up there [03:50] I'm drinking right now out of my flask [03:50] i was drinking champagne out of the bottle in the middle of the street at 12 in the night [03:50] i suffer from altitude sickness past 8500 for at least the first 8 hours [03:50] add booze and it's bad [03:50] felt classy.. sort of [03:50] nullboy: I used to live at 9300ft and at that altitude in snowy winters when you can't really drive anywhere, you don't leave the bar until you are so hammered you can barely walk [03:50] or like i was making a mockery of classy people [03:51] damn so you were used to that alt [03:51] i'm used to sealevel so anything over 5k is really noticeable [03:52] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [03:52] So, instead of talking about killing one's liver, why not talk geeky? [03:52] nullboy, yes nothing better than going to that elevation and literally opening your mouth as wide as you can and try to inhale and feel nothing happening [03:52] I ran some Cat5e in the house today. [03:52] Motoko-chan: ^5 [03:52] Old_Fogie: exactly, i'm sucking wind up there [03:52] It was a pain... [03:53] Well, the last run. Tight tight spot. [03:53] nullboy, yup a great feeling. lately I found I can relive that by simply cutting the graass, or climbing the typical home stair case,heh [03:53] I'll be getting FiOS soon, so I wanted to have an Ethernet drop. [03:53] nullboy: yeah we'd come down to the valley and drink people unconscious [03:53] Action: Motoko-chan punched down the ends too! [03:53] briareus: hahaha [03:53] Wow. Sounds like a rather exciting New Years Eve. [03:54] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] I did a quick file transfer test across the run and got about 16mbit. [03:54] =) [03:54] It was to WinXP over SMB. [03:55] pervert hehe [03:55] :P [03:55] I figure the cable is fine then, the transfer is slow. [03:55] I did exactly nothing for New Years but flail at my webcam in vain [03:55] (Plus said WinXP box was on Wireless and AV Scanner likely slowed stuff) [03:55] =) [03:55] Action: Motoko-chan really wishes she had an old OneTouch to actually certify the drop... [03:55] well seems atleast it was stable [03:55] Action: Motoko-chan has a camera too! [03:56] Motoko-chan: I've noticed that my neighbors XP laptop is atrociously slow compared to my laptop on his wlan [03:56] briareus, I've found linux way faster on the wire than XP or 2000 too [03:56] Yeah, I figure the drop is fine. [03:56] my XP laptop craps out if I have too much traffic on the wireless [03:56] Old_Fogie: so far me too [03:56] SMB + Wireless + AVG = slowdown [03:57] I think the driver barfs or something.. I just have to restart the wifi nic [03:57] But 16mbit across the drop isn't bad. [03:57] It's about 150ft. [03:57] when i ran lines in my place i pulled 2 vertical cat5e lines along with coax so i wouldn't have to go down that road again [03:57] If I use nfs, I can get abot 16-20 mbs tween my fastest pc's, but normally I get 6-8 with slower pcs tho [03:57] Action: jkwood goes /away to get some sleep [03:57] Then I connected to a switch with a 10ft cable, then a 3 ft on the other end. [03:57] nite jkwood [03:57] yeah I will get some sleep also [03:57] laters dudes [03:57] nite tewmten [03:57] Lots of places for there to be something weird. [03:58] I've never seen any pc get 100 mbs on my 10/100 lan tho [03:58] best I ever seen is 20mbs [03:58] Well, new FiOS connection will be 20/5 [03:58] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:58] I can test once it is up. [03:58] I figure 18 will be fine (overhead, etc) [03:59] one of my neighbors has verizon, so far so good (they use slack on it :) [04:00] only thing I didnt like with verizon was, they made you get a verizon email and a yahoo email at the time, confusing as all heck when setting up evolution for it [04:00] wasnt sure what the outgoing smtp settings nothing [04:00] Heh [04:01] I just use the webmail client for that and have my own domain. [04:01] the router has a nice web tool as well, parental controls etc [04:01] firewall [04:01] really nice user interface [04:01] Motoko-chan, well they made them set those two accounts up as you have to have a 'primary account' they told us when I helped them setup their pc to run on it [04:02] Ah, okay. [04:02] Whatever. [04:02] I'm already a DSL customer. [04:02] been over a year or so I guess, things couldve changed [04:02] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] they may have tv soon here over the fios [04:02] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [04:04] They already do here. [04:04] I'll be getting that too. [04:04] DirecTV is being a pain. [04:04] oh well I'll be sure to ask you how it's working [04:04] I figure it can't be any worse and I get HD. [04:04] yea I dont like dishes, we tried them, gave up quick [04:04] I have old (6+ year old) boxes. [04:05] And they've recently begun losing their information (I have a feeling DTV is doing something to cause it). [04:05] They will send new boxes, but require a two year contract. [04:05] probably trying to push you into buying/renting new boxes [04:05] Oh, and the boxes are still leased for a monthly fee. [04:05] And have to be returned when service is canceled. [04:06] yeah its' insane, it seemed like a money pit to us. and we get a lot of snow, so it'd didnt work out . we cancelled it. [04:06] Yeah, they only use their own branded boxes now. The current ones I have are "RCA" (Thompson) [04:06] Ah, no snow here. [04:06] Except for one *very* heavy rainstorm, never lost a signal. [04:07] No worse than local cable (better in uptime, actually). [04:07] I'm living right now in an area where the cabling is older than me. [04:07] The copper lines here are 30+ years old. [04:07] our cable company is getting greedy, every year asking 5$ more a month almost, it's getting ridiculous [04:07] IP-v6 (n=tty0@88.233.238.234) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Sometimes when it rained, it would cross wires from the dampness. [04:08] yeah that's not good [04:08] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:08] I think Verizon went and weatherstripped the distribution box a year or so ago. [04:08] And they pulled fiber about three months ago. [04:08] well, I gotta head on out, gotta take care of all the sick people that left me alone here on new years eve [04:08] Byw [04:08] Bye [04:09] cya Motoko-chan [04:09] night all [04:09] Action: Motoko-chan goes to sleep now [04:09] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:09] Night shift? [04:10] IP-v6 (n=tty0@88.233.238.234) left ##slackware. [04:11] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0CA92.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] buzzedlightyear (n=buzzedli@66-189-153-146.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:13] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-186-76.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:19] hmm [04:19] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [04:19] i have backups dating back to 2003 [04:20] this is good because somewhere buried in them are some GPS points that i must find [04:20] happy newyearrrrrrrr [04:23] now I'm out of beer, whats to be happy for? [04:23] You've got a whole year of beer drinking ahead of you? [04:23] valvola (n=val@host33-0-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:24] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [04:25] nullboy: I powered up a Magellan GPS2000 today, it had been lost in a box for nearly a decade [04:25] i have no idea how to use it. I'll find a manual somewhere [04:26] haha [04:27] I did initialize it starting at my doorstep [04:27] and let it find satellites for about 20 minutes before powering it down [04:27] I bet it eats batteries hungrily [04:28] i even have a modern unit now that still eats batteries like mad [04:29] my buddy was at a lake and left his Rino sitting on the toilet paper roll in a shitter and realized it 40 seconds later. he went back and it was gone, and he and his brother have been tracking it ever since when it occasionally pops up somewhere (the two brothers' rino's were mated and the theif apparently doesn't know that) [04:32] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:32] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:34] damn! [04:35] it's been months [04:35] every once in a while they turn one on and the guy is a blip several dozen miles away, but always in our area [04:35] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.230.104.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] they're going to find him, hopefully [04:36] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) joined ##slackware. [04:43] happy new year [04:43] 2009 is going to be terrible [04:43] the best thing that will be said for 2009 was that it only lasted a year [04:44] briareus, unfortunately you're right... [04:45] akshat (n=akshat@59.178.190.167) joined ##slackware. [04:45] hi [04:45] Happy New Year to everyone !! [04:45] :) [04:45] whats to be happy about? [04:46] a year closer to death? [04:46] herbert123456: its the way you think [04:46] one more year of vain striving after nothing? [04:46] herbert123456, Maybe some view it as a year closer to financial independence and total happiness :-) [04:46] Yalla-One: thanks :) [04:47] one more year of drinking :) [04:47] buzzedlightyear (n=buzzedli@66-189-153-146.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) left irc: "cya" [04:48] hey, anyone here have a dg33fbc motherboard. [04:48] anyway - tech question: Notice that Pat always recompiles glibc when upgrading kernel version. What is the exact reason for this, and what are the risks/downside involved in running kernel 2.6.28 with glibc compiled under 2.6.27.7? (I've been out of sync in kernel/glibc for ages, but never pondered possible down sides) [04:48] i'll drink to one more year of drinking [04:48] akshat: what specific trouble are you having? [04:49] herbert123456, One year closer to official 64-bit Slackware. Now that would be a good thing! [04:49] meh, and what if slamd64 and bw64 are all you're going to get? [04:49] LSD`: its got to do with my USB keyboard that doesn't work during boot or bios , only after OS is loaded [04:50] akshat: Oh, that's easy. You need to enable USB legacy mode in the BIOS (with a PS/2 keyboard hooked up, obviously ;)) [04:50] LSD`: i have tried all of that but doesn't work [04:50] i have even called up intel and have a request pending with them [04:51] i thought someone else maybe using the same motherboard with some USB keyboard [04:51] then shop i bought it from says it should work and that he has tested it at his office [04:51] *the [04:53] Yalla-One: i think its because of the kernel headers that may have changed within releases [04:53] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [04:53] although i am not very sure [04:54] hello? anyone here? [04:54] new kernel headers mean new glibc [04:54] no [04:54] its just that glibc uses them and may end p with wrong bindings [04:55] but you see , the guys making all the stuff are smart [04:55] debatable, but go on :P [04:55] they ove the headers under some file such as compat.h and then say that they will be removed from future releases and don't remove them immediately so that nothng breaks [04:55] *move [04:56] *nothing [04:56] whats the point of upgrading the kernel ? [04:56] lw0x15: what's not ?! [04:56] lw0x15: for most people? Probably not much [04:56] dont know, i dont see a point of my one is functional [04:56] ;D [04:57] say you have a new mobo.... but the kernel support is not very good then the upgrade might help [04:57] like in my case it did with my lan card [04:57] :) [04:57] lw0x15: like they say.. don't fix it till its broken [04:57] and if it won't break quickly enough, speed it up a little :) [04:57] only upgrade if you need it or want to live at the bleeding edge [04:58] LSD`: lol.. good one [04:58] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:59] LSD`: you have dg33fbc too? [05:00] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [05:00] akshat: No, I'm just familiar with that particular problem [05:00] ok [05:00] :) [05:01] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [05:01] It's weird that enabling USB legacy support doesn't fix it in your case though. That's usually the fix. [05:01] yes it is but don't know why its not working [05:01] actually the keyboard is the USB apple keyboard [05:02] it worked on my brother's 915gl chipset mobo [05:02] It shouldn't make a difference, it's still a USB HID device [05:02] yes [05:02] xev? [05:02] but its a little different [05:02] you see its firmware can be upgraded unlike normal usb keys [05:03] so it may actually be working from a buggy firmware [05:03] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:03] the other sub keys have a HID hardware controller [05:04] this does it in firmware (don't know why ? ) [05:04] If it works fine on your brothers mobo that would indicate the keyboard sin't the primary problem [05:04] yes. it does suggest that [05:04] but i want to check my mobo with some other keyboard so that i can be sure [05:05] valvola (n=val@host33-0-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:05] if it works on the mobo i can write to intel for a bios update because curently they are offering a replacement but that takes time [05:05] i don't want to live without a PC for a week or two [05:05] valvola (n=val@host189-1-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:11] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: "Leaving" [05:12] herbert123456 (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-93-233.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [05:12] LSD`: does your pc wake up from standby if there is activity on the mouse? [05:13] such as mouse click? [05:14] ah i still need to sort out my mouses scrolling ;( [05:14] lw0x15: what happened? [05:15] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [05:16] uhvo (n=priit@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [05:16] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Excess Flood [05:17] ok. i have to leave now. Happy New Year to all of you !! bye [05:17] akshat (n=akshat@59.178.190.167) left ##slackware. [05:17] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [05:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:28] i missed the new years ;-/ [05:32] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("It's not your problem."). [05:32] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.67.154) left ##slackware. [05:36] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [05:38] blensso (n=Webchat@h44-130.reznet.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:38] hi [05:38] my long-time girlfriend was very angry with me and putting me down and obviously wanting me to go on my knees and plead for forgiveness. [05:39] however, this time, i told her off. [05:39] however, she ran away. [05:40] she once told me how much it turned her off when i said to her that i wanted to be the clay in her hands. [05:40] do you think she will appreciate me more if i just kick her to the curb? she will come running back like a stray cat? [05:41] well, i was younger then and i was very in love with and just wanted to be perfect for her. [05:41] like i say, this time, i stood my ground and told her off. [05:41] was that a fine move? [05:41] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:42] sometimes i really care more about her than about standing my ground as an independent man in charge. [05:43] no intellectuals here? [05:44] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:44] do you think if a man stands his ground in the face of a disrespectful woman that the woman will eventually fall to her knees and adore him? [05:45] because my girlfriend ran away. [05:45] "no intellectuals here" -you said it... [05:45] i don't think she is coming back. [05:45] unless i stop being such a man. [05:48] blensso (n=Webchat@h44-130.reznet.ucalgary.ca) left ##slackware. [05:55] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:07] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [06:09] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [06:10] gyroscope (n=master@85.98.207.131) joined ##slackware. [06:13] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:13] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:53] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0CA92.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [06:55] anyone happen to know how i can specify to udev/hal which sound card(s) are 0, 1, and 2, respectively? [06:58] bono (i=bono@114-45-226-6.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:59] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:03] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-987b7b735ff9f3fb) left irc: "Leaving" [07:03] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:05] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:05] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host243-235-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:09] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:10] x-Loli (n=ab111128@218.75.17.75) joined ##slackware. [07:12] x-Loli (n=ab111128@218.75.17.75) left ##slackware. 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[07:31] < abby> You really get what you pay for as far as support :) [07:31] Oh, I was just talking to myself [07:31] sarcasm? [07:31] Not about this channel [07:31] happy new year [07:32] HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!111oneone [07:32] happy 21:30 new years day [07:32] well, just got home [07:32] nice little party [07:32] I'm still in the sandbox [07:33] So no party for me :( [07:33] that was so 21:30 ago :P [07:33] <-- Afghanistan [07:33] :o [07:33] <- London [07:33] <-- South Korea [07:33] abby, at least you got of fireworks [07:33] TwinReverb: really? [07:33] yeppers [07:34] Action: slackytude is in germany [07:34] slackytude, nah we haven't gotten those in ever [07:34] slackytude, not complaining though [07:34] abby, heh [07:34] Our base doesn't get attacked at all [07:34] well, knock on wood [07:34] Which is strange considering how close to Pakistan we are [07:35] abby, dont you have to do drug control now, too? [07:36] slackytude, not our problem, apparently [07:37] valvola (n=val@host209-252-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "valvo is shutting down..." [07:38] though I guess they are trying to get rid of all the drugs but offering incentives to the growers and shit [07:39] good luck with that [07:39] Am gonna stick a couple bricks of the stuff in my duffle bags and be rich when I get home 0_o [07:39] heh [07:39] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:39] more like "connection reset by FBI" :P [07:40] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [07:40] heh [07:40] oh so that's who "peer" is then? :D [07:40] your friendly overlord peer [07:40] yup [07:40] lol [07:40] :D [07:41] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [07:41] hey abby =) [07:41] hey sup [07:41] anyways, I took me camera with me and Im gonna browse through ~200 pics of drunk people [07:41] nut much.. chilling [07:42] cool cool [07:42] I'm just missing home now [07:42] :| [07:42] Actually, missing any place but here hah [07:42] hehe, i hear that.. [07:42] I just realized I've spent two out of the last four years in Iraq/Afghanistan [07:42] was a bit crazy partying yesterday [07:43] abby: damn man thats quite much [07:43] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] yeah [07:44] I just hope this is the last time [07:44] I need to leave the armed forces, fo rizzle [07:44] yeh [07:46] So I've decided I'm gonna go party in Holland on my March vacation :D [07:46] god damnit.. a old mate of mine back in sweden ended up in a fight yesterday and now has a black eye and broken nose :/ [07:46] ah nice idea [07:46] try to make it to queen's day [07:46] last of april [07:46] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:46] Heh, can't I'm already set for March [07:46] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] and another mate in haarlem got hit by a rocket.. [07:47] Gonna hit up Germany, UK, Luxemburg, and Holland [07:47] abby: more like "connection reset by FBI" :P [07:47] hm seems like everyone's new year wasnt so good [07:47] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.230.104.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:47] abby: lemme know when you show up in amsterdam =) [07:47] TwinReverb, NSA :) [07:47] hehe [07:47] tewmten, will do [07:49] hm two hours until pizza shop opens their delivery [07:49] sounds like a good plan [07:49] =) [07:49] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:50] Yeah, I'm done bitchin though :) [07:50] heh [07:50] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:50] NSA again.. :) [07:50] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [07:51] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [07:51] damn connection [07:52] I want to leave here with stacks of cash, but I don't have any good plan [07:52] So I was going to write proprietary Windows software and see how that goes with an affiliate program and stuff [07:53] cause I'm horrible at Marketing [07:54] tewmten, if I give you $10k think you can get a good turnaround :D [07:55] Or are they going to find you in an abandoned apartment with twelve needles hanging out your arms [07:55] :) [07:57] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:58] dios_mio (n=fake@88.236.183.115) left irc: "Leaving" [07:59] I've got the capital if anyone has a good business plan [08:01] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:01] well, thats a lot of drunk people alrite [08:02] half of the picture I didnt take meself [08:03] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Its a bit like fear and loathing in las vegas. towards the end the room looks pretty much beyond any hope of repair. and the people look pretty wasted, too [08:03] funky party, all in all [08:04] oh hello dere [08:05] abby: no needles.. [08:05] dere? [08:05] :D [08:06] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:07] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.25) joined ##slackware. [08:08] http://thepiratebay.org/ [08:08] lol, nice logo [08:08] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.63.31) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [08:09] heh, nice [08:09] lmao [08:10] why 1984 ? [08:10] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.122.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:10] why not :] [08:10] oh with all the new monitoring laws they put in place in sweden [08:11] all data traffic within sweden is being monitored by the military in sweden these days [08:11] and you know TPB is swedish so.. [08:11] :) [08:11] so there will be many erection happened ? [08:12] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [08:13] anavel, an orwell reference [08:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four [08:15] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:15] How is monitored network traffic a violation of human rights? [08:15] i see [08:16] pi31415: the rules are different when you're on the wrong side of the law and flaunt it [08:16] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.63.31) joined ##slackware. [08:16] pi31415, secrets are "flying" everywhere ? [08:16] heh. [08:16] rules can be bend, shaped, and misguided. [08:16] LSD`: what do you mean? [08:16] Are we talking about the pirate bay? [08:17] yes [08:17] who's we ? [08:17] Im not [08:18] http://thepiratebay.org/blog/142 [08:19] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) joined ##slackware. [08:21] well, Id say thast true [08:21] thats [08:21] slackytude, you would say that network monitoring is a violation of human rights? [08:22] huh? no [08:22] well, at least not on its own [08:22] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) left irc: Client Quit [08:22] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:23] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [08:23] I dont think they are soley talking about network monitoring [08:23] nah, sweden has gone to a bit more police state over the last years so.. [08:24] most places have [08:24] yep [08:24] its a sad trend, that seems to be global [08:24] but the pirate bay is a good place to voice your opinions [08:24] I know their lawyer, he's a crazy dude :D [08:24] he's a bit like the attorney in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas [08:24] so long as he is harmless.. [08:24] but with beard :D [08:25] Dr Gonzo :D [08:25] yep, that's what we call him :D [08:25] heh [08:25] always fun when boozing [08:25] "as your attorney I advice you to proceed to the bar and get us some more vodka to drink" [08:26] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.63.31) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:26] lol [08:27] yeah funny guy.. you have read the legal response letters on TPB right? :D [08:27] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] No, dont think I did [08:29] ah okay [08:30] http://thepiratebay.org/legal [08:30] lulz =) [08:30] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [08:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:35] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [08:39] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.52.234) joined ##slackware. [08:40] ye gods! only one month till finals! [08:40] which finals? [08:40] nfl? [08:41] O_o [08:41] tests in university. [08:41] oh yeah.. [08:41] duh :P [08:41] heh [08:41] tewmten, hmm, i look at that and some of those guys actually reference US legal code, why would they care about that? [08:41] slackytude, its winter break right now :D [08:41] one semester left too [08:41] edman007: just to put them in their place I guess :P [08:41] edman007: the TPB are real ballsy guys heh [08:42] "This letter serves as notification under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. § 512, or equivalent notice provisions of your local law", there is no equiv in sweeden [08:42] I need to get me head around math in the next 30 days or so. java, too. [08:42] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: [08:42] ah well they get mails from companies not realising they are not under US laws [08:42] tewmten, no, the fact is they operate in Sweden and do so legally, they break no laws at all [08:43] its their users that break the laws [08:43] yeah but the media companies doesnt like it anyway you know [08:43] riaa, mpaa etc [08:43] yep [08:44] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) joined ##slackware. [08:44] Happy new year folks [08:44] happy happy! [08:44] :D [08:44] "Hello and thank you for contacting us. We have shut down the website in question. Oh wait, just kidding. We haven't, since the site in question is fully legal. Unlike certain other countries, such as the one you're in, we have sane copyright laws here. But we also have polar bears roaming the streets and attacking people :-(." [08:44] rofl [08:45] happy new year, esters [08:45] happy to you to slackytude ^_^ [08:45] Anyway the autmount issue is driving me nuts [08:46] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.38.24) joined ##slackware. [08:47] hey guys [08:47] wout (n=wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Hey guys, first of all.. Happy new year to all of you... [08:47] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:47] happy new year, wout [08:48] happy new year [08:48] who can help me installing zendframework on slackwar [08:48] happy new year, mithridates [08:48] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.91.171) joined ##slackware. [08:48] I couldn't find it in google [08:48] edman007: great stuff yeah :D [08:48] thats some python stuff? [08:48] I have a little problem while installing Amsn,.. installing the .package gives no problems. but when i execute the program, it says: Loading TKCximage failed. [08:49] slackytude: are you talking to me? [08:49] Anyone who knows about this ? [08:49] Tk is installed wout ? [08:49] esters, Tk ? [08:50] Yes, "Tk" [08:50] esters, Whats that, and what does it do? [08:50] would you help me about zendframework? [08:50] hehe sorry.. just started using linux... have to learn a lot =) [08:50] wout: sec [08:50] wout: just a guess: you might try installing tclx [08:52] wout: http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=12.2/tk-8.5.5-i486-1 [08:53] ill try.. thanks so far.. [08:56] what should i use to program C in ? gcc [08:57] lw0x15 : sure. [08:58] Id use vim [08:58] :P [08:58] Anyone uses xfce 4.4.3 with Slack 12.2 here ? [08:59] my mom does ^-^ [08:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:00] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) joined ##slackware. [09:00] She can plug in an usb flash drive and it will be visible in thunar's side pane ? [09:00] esters : why don't you try? :) [09:01] oh man vim is hard lol [09:01] esters, sure [09:01] ananke: I'm trying but nothing happens [09:01] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/automounting-fails-on-xfce-694160/ [09:01] esters : then that answers your question whether it will happen or not [09:01] Silly me [09:01] cant even start writing there :| need to pres something [09:01] lw0x15: press "i" [09:02] plug my usb drive into her? i hardly know her! [09:02] aha [09:02] lw0x15 : you can use any editor you'd like [09:02] lw0x15: after you done writing, press ESC and ":wq" [09:03] lw0x15, maybe you like emacs more [09:03] man vim is nice [09:04] how do you save [09:04] lw0x15: :wq [09:04] lw0x15 : and you judge that based on what? that it let you type? [09:04] ananke: judge what [09:04] hell, by that standard edlin is 'nice' [09:04] lw0x15 : vim [09:04] not judging anything [09:04] you just said it was nice [09:05] yeah nice to use [09:05] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:05] it takes a while getting in to [09:05] whats wrong about what [09:05] and i said, you're judging it based on the fact that it let you type? [09:05] i find it a bit odd [09:06] what t... [09:06] chill man [09:06] lw0x15 : what makes you think i'm not? [09:06] at least keep it simple [09:06] what, basic english is too complex for you? [09:07] maybe it is [09:07] got something agaisnt it ? [09:07] you're the one asking to keep it simple [09:08] ... overreacting [09:08] if i have to talk to you like i'd talk to a five year old, i certainly can [09:08] lw0x15 : yes, you are overracting. what's up with the hostility? [09:08] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:08] me ? [09:08] its you [09:08] got something agaisnt it ? [09:09] lovely [09:09] i am just asking [09:09] quite hostile, by any standards [09:09] It just an text editor :> [09:09] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:10] lw0x15 : i asked you a simple question, because i was curious. i have no clue why, but somehow you interpreted it in some bizarre way, and started reacting in a very peculiar fashion [09:11] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [09:11] emacs or vi?? ;) [09:11] dTd : neither :) [09:11] jed [09:11] ananke: the other way [09:11] heh: http://www.archive.org/details/htdg_bikini_calculus [09:12] lw0x15 : ohh, so now you asked me a question? interesting. [09:12] i didnt ask you anything [09:12] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] lw0x15 : exactly, you didn't. yet you just said 'the other way' to my last statement, implying that it was the reverse of what i said. did you even bother reading what i typed? [09:14] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:14] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:15] no what i mean was that you made a fuss out of it [09:15] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:16] lw0x15 : quite the contrary. you're the one who's making a fuss about it, telling me to 'chill', or acting in an aggressive manner by saying 'got something against it' [09:17] gosh.. i just asked you if you got something against it thats it [09:17] you just make it look bad now [09:17] because that statement is used to imply aggression [09:17] thats what you think [09:18] indeed, that's what i think [09:18] not what it is or what i meant [09:19] so what is it then? [09:21] if you had anything agaisnt it ? [09:21] .. [09:21] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [09:21] why would you think i had anything against it? [09:21] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [09:22] because you asked in a way that i though u had [09:22] allend (n=allend@124-168-74-187.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:23] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.38.24) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:23] so the following question implies that i have something against complex english? what, basic english is too complex for you? [09:23] a peculiar way to interpret that simple yes/no question [09:24] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving." [09:25] yes? [09:25] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] ananke: if you fight on new years you'l fight all year long ;) [09:25] dTd : who's fighting? [09:25] oh, I didn't say anyone was ;) [09:25] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) left irc: "leaving" [09:26] Just something my mom used to say [09:27] ananke: are you still ? [09:27] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [09:27] spook : are you still ? [09:28] Meckafet1 (n=meckafet@c-da24e655.44-11-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Meckafet1 (n=meckafet@c-da24e655.44-11-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [09:29] actually, i shouldn't ask you that. i assume that question actually made sense to you, so you may be able to answer it. [09:30] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0F3A9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:32] ananke: like, are you still beating your wife [09:33] are you still a child molester [09:33] spook : are you? [09:33] that's the only reason i can come up with for you to ask that question: are you trying to find people with similar habits? [09:34] heh [09:36] Action: allend recalls earlier TV program showing highlights from last year, including apology from the pope [09:37] apology? [09:38] spook: he was sorry for the pain caused to little boys [09:38] for what? the inqusition? [09:39] nice little speech for World Youth Day [09:39] nobody expect the spanish inquisition, that includes an apology for it :) [09:40] te Vatican is a forgiving mob, just takes time. Ask Galileo! [09:40] how can you access the regional/clock settings in slack [09:40] totally should have assasinated the pope when he was in sydney [09:41] why bother, there is no harm? [09:42] Does HAL boot the USB by default in 12.2? [09:42] that sheds some light on spook's mental health [09:42] lw0x15, you want to set your timezone? [09:42] ya [09:43] limac, the decision on what to boot is not something userspace does [09:43] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [09:43] lw0x15, timeconfig [09:44] edman007: by boot I meant mount. [09:44] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [09:44] not on my system, i think it just notifies things about it, and they can choose to ask it to be mounted [09:44] lol my one was set to alaska :D [09:45] lw0x15, just have to stay in '08 huh? [09:45] edman007: just wondering. actually I think I'll just set fstab to do that. [09:45] limac, i turn off all the automount junk off in everything anyways [09:46] edman007: i think i did set the clock on PC so now alaska time is UK time and UK time is alaska at my system [09:46] automount is kind of annoying at times. [09:47] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [09:47] lw0x15, just tell timeconfig your correct timezone, and if you only do linux then tell it you use UTC in the BIOS as well, then netdate time-b.nist.gov (or whatever) to set the time and then hwclock will update the BIOS to match [09:49] cannot be bothered to reboot [09:49] ;-/ [09:50] lw0x15, hwclock does not need a reboot [09:50] it writes to the BIOS's clock [09:50] or reads... [09:50] oh [09:51] its normally run on shutdown, but its good to update it just in case... [09:52] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:52] so i dont need to reboot? [09:54] no, hwclock is what a reboot would do [09:55] though if you have apps that take the timezone into account they may need to be restarted for the timezone change to take effect [09:55] allend (n=allend@124-168-74-187.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [09:56] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] how can I figure out the /dev/sd* for the flashdrive from the cmdline [10:03] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] limac: fdisk -l [10:04] ah thanks esters :) [10:04] np ^_^ [10:05] kama (n=kama@host224-102-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:05] uhvo (n=priit@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: "Who's your BitchX?" [10:06] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.130.221) joined ##slackware. [10:11] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:13] Catoptromancy` (n=Cato@c-68-62-246-115.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:13] kama (n=kama@host224-102-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:14] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Nick change: heret|c_ -> heret|c [10:15] damn kids and their fireworks [10:16] just outside my window too [10:16] Mhm [10:16] Action: slackytude waves his stick and yells: Get off my lawn [10:17] old fart [10:18] I'm pissed [10:18] as in drunk? [10:18] why are you pissed @ slackytude ? [10:19] he was one of the kids outside :D [10:19] No I'm pissed at the fact that for three days I can't get automounting to work on slack [10:19] automounting what? [10:19] usb flash devices [10:19] cd/dvd discs [10:20] works for me but i use gnome : [10:20] I use xfce [10:20] fluxbox [10:20] And every time I try a distro, something isn't what I want [10:20] <3 xfce [10:20] use windpws (j/k) [10:20] I use [10:21] use Windows ME [10:21] I use Windows Vista [10:21] I use Slackware, XP and 7 [10:21] i use windows 7 [10:22] lw0x15, which build? [10:23] i dont really, i dont like windows :P [10:23] I tested 7k Beta One [10:23] Operating System: Unsupported Windows 6.1 (Build #7000) [10:26] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) got netsplit. [10:26] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) got netsplit. [10:26] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) got netsplit. [10:26] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) returned to ##slackware. [10:26] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) returned to ##slackware. [10:26] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) returned to ##slackware. [10:27] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [10:30] Now I have silly thoughts in my mind [10:31] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:31] Ok, bye folks [10:31] My journey with Slack was great, but is isn't for me [10:36] hrm doing some wishlist making on newegg and, is CAT 5E and CAT 6 compatible? 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[11:30] But you should expect more corruption than just ldconfig... otherwise you got very lucky [11:30] giuppy (n=giuppy@host27-162-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] it was ldconfig and a bunch of my personal data... mostly maps [11:30] and a few libraries, like libruby [11:32] What is the fix for OpenOffice3's Writer backspace and arrow keys issues? Is it written down anywhere? [11:32] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] oh man [11:33] I would love to know the answer to Pa^2's question as well [11:33] rworkman's version works great, I just want to know what was done. [11:33] exmachina (n=zeta@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:33] deleting the openoffice hidden directory in my home directory didn't fix it for me [11:33] does anyone have a core 2 duo? [11:34] clementis (n=tiger@h081217118223.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) left ##slackware. [11:34] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-252167.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:35] exmachina: probably. [11:35] heh [11:35] yeah, they're kind of popular [11:35] I've got a phenom x4, but I doubt you care. ;) [11:36] zashi, http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/openoffice.org-3.0.0_en_US-i586-1_rlw.tgz [11:36] only if you are willing ot donate it to me ;) [11:36] Pa^2, ooh, thanks [11:36] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Gameover" [11:36] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] heh. sooorry. this is the fastest computer I've ever owned. I'm quite in love with it [11:37] hehe :) [11:37] exmachina: what is your actual question? [11:37] Core 2 duo = 4 cpus? [11:37] duo = 2 [11:37] core 2 quad = 4 [11:37] (I think) [11:37] D'oh! Of course... [11:38] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Because I don't memorize all the designations - I delegated my "Core 2 Duo" to my (work) XP box... the "Core 2 Quad" runs my Slack box at work [11:41] Slack running VMWare also supports a vXP-Pro and 4 additional vSlackware instances - plus does a good job as my production desktop [11:43] ...sorry, prolly wasn't the answer to the question. [11:44] zeta (n=zeta@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] crap i lost my connection [11:44] Nick change: zeta -> exmachina2 [11:44] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [11:44] wout (n=wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:44] BK{k} in any case, the problem is that i don't have a /proc/driver/rtc [11:45] i enabled SMP and Enhanced RTC, but NOT normal RTC [11:45] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:46] BP{k} * [11:46] So I'm trying to figure out which part of menuconfig will give me a /proc/driver/rtc [11:48] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[11:53] I have a weird problem with slackware 12.1, sometimes a program crashes unexpectedly and some others crash when I try to run them in the same way, then I noticed that this seems to be related along my bttv device starts triggering a lot of interrupts like I would say that around 50 irqs/sec [11:53] exmachina2: http://www.esaracco.fr/documentation/linuxaudio/linuxaudio/build-linux-kernel.html <-- SEEMS to give a bit of a clue, about what needs to build? [11:54] exmachina (n=zeta@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:54] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:54] and the device isnt being used [11:54] it's happening right now [11:55] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [11:55] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:00] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.80.149) joined ##slackware. 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[12:15] I wonder which distro will be the first to use 28 [12:16] Action: fluxnuk3r thinks Ubuntu since they have a new release ever 3 weeks... [12:16] every* [12:17] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) joined ##slackware. [12:17] nvision (n=hub@p4FC02A20.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] exmachina2 (n=zeta@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [12:18] hrm, with the new year, does firefox 3 decide to clear out all its saved data? or Iwonder if my dad deleted it all when he used my comp.. [12:19] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:20] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.244.43.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [12:21] nevermind, he must've cleared out all my stuff.. that's annoying [12:24] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) left ##slackware. [12:25] antoni (n=antoni@174.pool85-53-10.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [12:25] He should have his own account. [12:26] no reason to. I'm usually the only one who uses my computer, and this is actually the first time I saw him in 2.5 years. he just wanted to go on wireless in the garage while I was asleep [12:27] well, maybe he had sth to hide ;) [12:27] that's what I'm thinking.. geeze. not like I'd care [12:29] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [12:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-151-240.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [12:34] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [12:37] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [12:39] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [12:40] cricket[b] (n=cricket@76.210.239.83) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:42] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:43] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [12:44] luism (n=luissmm@host240.190-226-155.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:44] hello.happy new year [12:44] ho ho ho [12:46] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:46] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left ##slackware. [12:47] raela: Shame is a powerful motivator for paranoia. [12:47] ho ho ho pupit [12:48] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Hi [12:50] hello ganeshix [12:51] Flash is not working on konqueror (funny). It does work on Firefox. I have vanilla slack 12.1... [12:52] flash does not work in kde3's konq [12:52] Karu (n=alch@78-28-71-157.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:52] Karu (n=alch@78-28-71-157.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [12:54] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:55] Weird. I had the feeling it was working on konqueror on my other boxes (all slack). I remember using youtube directly on konqueror on slack 11... [12:55] ganeshix: pprkut flash works in kde3 konq [12:56] it's crashing for me all the time, no matter what page I go to [12:56] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] it works for me :) [12:57] and using kmplayer to display flash is not a solution.... [12:57] kde4 works fine though [12:57] konq. in kde4 is really slow for me [12:58] Action: thrice` hopes they switch to webkit [12:58] pprkut: on that matter, i know smplayer can display flash videos properly [12:58] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:58] just tried with kmplayer and it works too [12:58] thrice`: you can use it already ;) [12:59] thrice`: final switch away from khtml will not happen before kde5 [12:59] binary compatibility reasons [13:00] spiki, that's what I thought. So, if my flash on konq does not work, I should be able to fix it. [13:01] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:01] spiki: I know mplayer can handle flash. kmplayer has a method to embed adobe's flashplayer, and use it that way in konq [13:01] ganeshix: btw, take a look at the "plugins/extensions" in options of konqueror. make shure you have included the path where flash lib is [13:01] wow, i'm using xterm on my friend's mac: it COMES with it! [13:01] pprkut: arora is a better choice :) [13:01] i was playing around in it looking at /dev and such, and noticed that even "man" is on it [13:01] Thanks, I'll do that... [13:01] and all the man pages say they're BSD [13:02] pprkut: ah. ok. i understand what you mean... you meant "embedded" type of playing (display inside of web pages) [13:02] is there a new version of kde 4 to install? [13:02] spiki: yes [13:02] If you compile 4.1.85, yes. [13:02] wahooooo7 (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:02] jkwood: that's not new :P [13:02] wow [13:03] and ln works good in it [13:03] mm..no i think im not ready .. [13:03] symlinks and hard links work [13:03] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] Am I behind again? [13:03] to compile [13:03] jkwood: there's always svn..... ;) [13:04] jkwood: with not new I meant it's already 3 weeks (or even more?) old [13:04] Well, that's true. But, I'm looking for them to tag rc1 next week. [13:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-252167.home.otenet.gr) left irc: No route to host [13:06] thrice`: I'm not using kde4 as main desktop yet (I feel more and more tempted to switch every day though). Will check on both after the switch [13:07] luism: For me, I just change the version in the scripts from slackware-current/testing. There are a few other things that need to be updated, but overall it's not hard. It just takes a while to build. [13:07] mordy (n=mordy@68.160.226.210) joined ##slackware. [13:07] pprkut: ?! I'm disappointed [13:08] thankx jkwood but im still trying to compile programs [13:08] and drives me crazy [13:08] thrice`: me too :( [13:08] imagine if i want to compile kde 4 [13:08] james woods? [13:08] oh, damn. [13:09] Well, that's the thing. That's why we use SlackBuild scripts. It takes care of the configuration, the compiling, and the packaging for you. The KDE 4 SlackBuilds even install as they go. [13:09] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] jkwood: we need kde4daily for slackware [13:10] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:10] evo- (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [13:10] but if i download the kde4 slackBuilds .i have to delete kde 3? [13:11] spiki, the flash lib is there... /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so [13:11] pprkut: Now that would be something. :) [13:11] what is kde4daily [13:11] luism: That is the "downside." [13:12] LnxSlck: http://etotheipiplusone.com/kde4daily/docs/kde4daily.html [13:12] LnxSlck: basically packages of kde4 based on daily svn snapshots [13:12] Nick change: gewt -> p4ssw0rd [13:12] oh [13:12] I think I could pull that off, if I weren't so disk-limited. [13:12] (but, inevitably, occasionally broken) [13:12] no thanks [13:13] Nick change: p4ssw0rd -> gewt [13:13] konq opens the window on youtube, but the video window is black and nothing happens... [13:13] However, Firefox runs the videos fine on Youtube... [13:13] ganeshix: What version of flash? [13:13] jkwood: I'm not fond of compiling 10 hours a day either ;) [13:13] pprkut: Well, yes, there is that. [13:14] Action: jkwood looks at fred [13:14] lol [13:14] jkwood, 10.0.12.36 [13:14] Action: jkwood looks at edman007 [13:14] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] ganeshix: security issues. please upgrade to 10.0.15.3 :) [13:15] Ebola (i=ebola@unaffiliated/ebola) left ##slackware. [13:15] OK, I'll do that... [13:16] for me i cant watch videos in fullscreen in firefox [13:16] i have the 10.0.15 [13:17] luism: neither can i [13:18] you too ? [13:18] damm [13:18] weird isnt ? [13:20] not really lol [13:20] as i dont really watch videos in fullscreen [13:21] right [13:21] m2ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:23] evo_ (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [13:25] hm [13:25] I got my arrow and backspace keys working :D in OpenOffice.org3 [13:26] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:31] evo- (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:31] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [13:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [13:33] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [13:36] m2ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "ByeBye" [13:36] pprkut, I upgraded to 10.0.15.3. Still, konq does not play videos on youtube. There's only a black screen... unlike on Firefox... [13:36] Nick change: gewt -> \` [13:37] Nick change: \` -> gewt [13:38] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [13:41] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [13:41] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left ##slackware. [13:41] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:42] Maybe I just have to restart kde... not just restart konq [13:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] spymod (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:45] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:46] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [13:48] ganeshix: em, sorry. the update was not meant to fix the problems with kde. Just a general suggestion. [13:48] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] ganeshix: konqueror in kde 3.5.9 will not work with flash 10.x [13:49] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] In most cases will will crash konqueror [13:51] http://www.konqueror.org/faq/#WhydoesKonquerorcrashoneverypagewithFlash [13:51] Karu (n=alch@78-28-71-157.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [13:53] I think 9.0.43 or something like that was the last working version [13:55] Anyways I am out of here, got to head down Bama way. [13:55] rob_e (n=rob@92.8.3.33) joined ##slackware. [13:57] radi0head (n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:03] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "innabit" [14:03] exmachina (n=zeta@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:03] i can't get my nvidia-installer to work properly [14:03] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] it complains about not being able to find my source tree [14:04] or something [14:04] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [14:04] exmachina: what do you want to do? [14:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] pprkut i want to install the nvidia driver using their .run file [14:06] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:06] it apparently can't find my kernel sources [14:06] even though the places it looks in (/usr/src/linux) is symlinked to /usr/src/linux-2.6.28-gentoo/ (my current build) [14:07] exmachina: you insist on using the .run file or can I point you to the slackbuilds? ;) [14:07] exmachina: well, are you running that kernel? [14:07] yes I am [14:07] my current uname -r shows 2.6.28-gentoo [14:07] i'm in slack because gentoo guys won't help me =( [14:08] hmm [14:08] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] i like slack.i installed from nvidia a few days ago [14:09] exmachina: that's because gentoo users are elitist ricers ;) [14:09] what is the difference betwen nvidia driver and slackbuild [14:09] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:09] changes something? [14:09] luism: integration in slackware's package management, being able to switch between nv and nvidia without reinstalling [14:09] luism: maybe more [14:10] the slackbuild includes a script to help manage the nvidia driver [14:10] ^also includes [14:10] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] exmachina: can I pm? [14:11] ohhh.i didnt know that [14:11] i was affraid to install from the SlackBuilds [14:12] nothing to be afraid of [14:12] just read the README carefully ;) [14:12] thanx pprkut [14:13] np [14:14] luism: just one thing: get rid of the old nvidia installation before you install the packages created from the slackbuilds [14:14] i never uninstall the driver [14:14] how can i do that? [14:14] You'll need Nvidia's beta drivers for 2.6.28. [14:15] or a patch :) [14:15] luism: various ways, "nvidia-installer --uninstall" should work [14:15] thrice`: Agreed. [14:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:18] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.91.171) left ##slackware. [14:19] exmachina (n=zeta@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "[BX] Life is like BitchX. Ya never know what yer gunna git." [14:20] looks like he didn't need help after all [14:21] luism: can you ping me once you have installed the packages? [14:21] who me ? [14:21] yes.pprkut [14:21] farabi (n=farabi@host-78-129-2-97.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [14:21] i don't see anybody else in this room [14:22] punk [14:22] hheheh punk [14:22] luism: no, not you ;) the gentoo guy. [14:22] sorry [14:23] luism: re ping, I would like to test something once you've finished if you don't mind :) [14:23] ok man [14:24] sure [14:24] cool :) [14:24] you want to experiment with my system ? hehehe [14:24] just kidding [14:25] :P [14:25] i just installed slack yesterday [14:25] i saw the slackbuils nvidia driver [14:25] but i was affraid [14:25] im downloading [14:28] luism: hehe. Don't be afraid of the stuff on slackbuilds.org, it's well tested. And if something still does not work as intended, you'll get plenty of help either here or in #slackbuilds [14:29] ohhh [14:29] im soo blind [14:29] i didnt know about #Slackbuilds [14:30] hehe [14:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. 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[15:06] hi [15:07] hi hitest [15:07] IceW (i=old-time@189-18-160-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [15:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] hi luism:) [15:09] surrounded by slackware users [15:09] Action: sniffle feels weird [15:09] be afraid [15:09] yes [15:09] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] heh [15:09] thrice`, your hibernation still working ok with rmmoding mods? [15:11] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:11] bbl......lunch time:) [15:11] thrice`, i had some problems with this T42 and one of the guys on thinkpad mailing list suggested using s5 (shutdown) in /sys/power/disk instead of 'platform'. Works great on here and my desktop, and I don't have to rmmod anything now [15:12] _paco_ (n=cem@unaffiliated/paco/x-456320) left ##slackware ("Verlassend"). [15:15] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [15:17] Dr4kk4r (i=1002@151.80.26.99) joined ##slackware. [15:17] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.119.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] Dr4kk4r (i=1002@151.80.26.99) left irc: Client Quit [15:22] I keep trying to figure out how to perform a relatively minimalistic slackware installation (which wouldn't take a month or so).. and can't. [15:22] sniffle, uh, install just a/ [15:22] there's an option in the installer for that iirc [15:23] Where is the best place to place small personal scripts made for the user to activate in case of need? I've been adding them in a directory /home/ganeshix/scripts/... than I add that directory to my user path... [15:24] But then again, maybe that's not the best way to do it... could you please suggest a better way? [15:24] Heh. Ok, that didn't come out right. I'd like a slackware installation with as few "non-needed" installed packages as possible. I can hand pick through nearly everything.. but the `l` and especially the `x` software sets are highly problematic. I can't figure out just by looking at the name if I need a specific package or not [15:25] ganeshix: are we talking about just 1 user? or do several/all users need access to said scripts? [15:26] sniffle, Just one user: myself. [15:26] I see no reason not to have them in ~/script or ~/bin or whatever. that's how *I* do it anyway [15:27] Isn't that what /usr/local/bin is for? [15:28] dive, where do I find the thinkpad mailing list? [15:28] I see... it's good to know I've been doing it right... just checking... [15:28] arny` (n=arny@79.119.151.38) joined ##slackware. [15:29] ganeshix: or /usr/local/bin, but that might need some special attention [15:29] man hier <- friend [15:29] sniffle, why special attention if I use that place? [15:29] Pa^2, linux-thinkpad-request@linux-thinkpad.org subject=subscribe [15:29] (This is Slack 12.2 running on a R51 ... but only a few of the Thinkpad features are operational.) [15:29] ty [15:30] Pa^2, then send to linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org [15:30] ganeshix: special privs needed to write to that directory. or you could modify some permissions .. but not sure if that's such a good idea [15:30] I see... [15:31] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [15:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:35] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-191.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:38] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) joined ##slackware. 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[16:14] dammit knew I should of got the 4 cell battery for the lappie [16:14] drianing the 9 cell one takes to long [16:16] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Would anyone know how to remove "Most Used Applications" from Kmenu? [16:17] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:18] why i can mount the ntfs from vista, but not see inside theirs folders? [16:18] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:18] permissions? [16:19] nooper, i can enter the directories but not see the files inside [16:19] nooper, what kind of permissions i need? [16:19] even root can't see the files [16:19] in ntfs, admin doesn't automatically have privs to see all files, like root in *nix [16:20] umm [16:20] did Keveam leave? [16:20] yes [16:20] yeah [16:20] just as I was about to answer as well [16:20] drive by questions [16:20] lol [16:21] some people would find answers to their own questions if they would spend just a few minutes looking [16:21] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:21] luism (n=luissmm@host240.190-226-155.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:22] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [16:22] sniffle (n=sniffle@unaffiliated/sniffle) left ##slackware. [16:23] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:23] Pig_Pen, that was a pretty easy one to fin [16:23] find [16:23] i need a cup of strong hot coffee [16:23] yeah, i do that in kde [16:24] a simple 3rd click on the desktop would do that [16:24] and configure the menu [16:24] yup, or in the control center [16:24] yep [16:25] it's kde control, it's never easy to find [16:25] sure it is [16:25] spent 20 mins earlier looking for the option to turn single clicks to double clicks [16:25] so many ways [16:25] always forget it's under mouse [16:26] when ever i first log in to a fresh default kde desktop the control center is the first thing i launch and i step through the whole tree making the adjustments i like [16:26] Action: LnxSlck_ http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictures/harry_potter.jpg [16:26] ktabic, where else should it be? [16:27] I tend to check for it under filemanagert [16:27] filemanager even [16:28] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [16:28] omgwtfgtfobbq [16:28] kde is very customizable, i seen screenshots where people made it look like OSX, and once i seen a screenshot where someone made it look sort of like windows (eww!) i usually set the panel to autohide and turn on the active screen borders so i can switch virtual desktops by bumping the mouse/cursor on either the left or right hand of the monitor [16:29] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Pig_Pen, so does gnome [16:29] or flux [16:29] or whatever [16:30] gnome has a addon tool called brightside [16:30] runs for coffee [16:31] Pig_Pen: http://tinyurl.com/7w5pay [16:31] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:31] Pig_Pen, ? [16:31] BP{k}, how do you run those games? through wine? [16:32] LnxSlck_: native. [16:32] BP{k}, there are versions of those for linux ' [16:32] man the ink on that chick is awesome [16:32] LnxSlck_: yes, that is exactly what /native/ means. [16:32] BP{k}, cool [16:32] nullboy, to bad for her panties [16:33] nullboy, shouldn't be there [16:33] lol [16:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.199) left irc: "Bye Bye" [16:33] Nick change: LnxSlck_ -> LnxSlck [16:34] hmm Rose bowl is on [16:34] nullboy: want a copy of that wallpaper? [16:35] nah that would give me far too much ammo [16:35] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:35] BP{k}: looks good [16:35] yeah, does [16:35] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: [16:35] BP{k}: you did all that with just the stuff that kde comes with? [16:35] that's rad [16:36] does anyone use xfce ? [16:36] (semi-offtopic) [16:37] i use xfce on occasion [16:37] Lord_Khelben: yes with gnome applications :) [16:37] nullboy: no. it's KDE + crystal window decoration + qtcurve-kde3 style [16:37] just ask your xfce question, i am sure many in here use it [16:37] ah nice [16:37] kitche: when you right click on the desktop do you get the same menu as the main xfce menu ? [16:38] Lord_Khelben: hmm think it's left let me check [16:38] Lord_Khelben, yes [16:39] ah ok then its normal. i get the same xfce menu with "desktop menu" on top grayed [16:39] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Lord_Khelben: yes same menu on right click [16:39] it seemed weird to me at first [16:39] luism (n=luissmm@host240.190-226-155.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [16:39] you can turn that off if you wish [16:40] i thought it should have a "create new desktop icon, change background" and stuff [16:40] like kde has [16:40] i am thinking of merging my radio desk with my computer desk, just thinking of the possible arrangements [16:40] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "Leaving" [16:43] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFBC86.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] tuliohm (n=Tulio@unaffiliated/tuliohm) joined ##slackware. [16:45] tuliohm (n=Tulio@unaffiliated/tuliohm) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:45] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] who thinks Joe Paterno will die ont he football field [16:47] sherique (n=e@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [16:48] if that is his destiny... [16:50] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:51] i hated football in highschool, i am not a big guy, the coach put me on defense and the big guys just mowed me down, i dropped out of football the first week [16:51] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] Pig_Pen, you call footbal to rugby ? [16:55] uk football different to us football [16:56] yep [16:57] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:57] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [16:58] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] English Football is soccer American football is a rugby but with different rules and such :) [16:59] Is pulse audio supported in 12.2? I'm using VirtualBox and attempting to get the sound working. [16:59] schenkel (n=Miranda@189.103.2.10) joined ##slackware. [16:59] No pulseaudio in Slackware [16:59] ah, thank you. :) [17:02] Schuenemann (n=sch@200.254.153.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-191.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] valvola (n=val@host209-252-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:03] valvola (n=val@host209-252-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:03] hello everyone [17:06] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.184.168) joined ##slackware. [17:07] I'm under slackware 12.2 and my user account belongs to users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev, but kde cannot see the dvd drive is there anything that I forgot to do? [17:08] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] dissociative: is the dvd drive detected by the rest of the system? [17:09] I can see the device node [17:10] have you put any media into the driver while kde is up as a test? [17:10] drive* [17:11] yes [17:11] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.101) left irc: "Auribus teneos lupus: I hold the wolf by the ears" [17:11] schenkel (n=Miranda@189.103.2.10) left ##slackware. [17:11] I will try reinserting the media again [17:11] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.101) joined ##slackware. [17:11] Keigo (n=tobberot@29.19.185.213.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:12] schenkel (n=Miranda@189.103.2.10) joined ##slackware. [17:12] nah [17:12] still it doesnt shows up [17:13] I can mount manually the media with mount though [17:13] hmmm time to upgrade my machine since 7.1 is aout to be released [17:13] a) when you added yourself to the groups did you relogin ? b) is hal running ? [17:14] if i edit xorg.conf do i need to restart X ? [17:14] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:14] looks like hal isnt running, but the rc. script is executable [17:15] Does anyone know of a program which can convert .wmv to .mp3 or .ogg? [17:15] talking (n=Gustavo@189.58.232.180.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:15] dissociative: did u create the user using a gui or shell? [17:15] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [17:16] shell [17:16] audacity can, i bet mencoder could [17:16] ok nm... that was my problem [17:16] hal doesnt starts [17:16] Keigo: mplayer file.wmv -ao pcm:file=output.wav is one way [17:16] lw0x15_: Yes. [17:16] i would like to know how to remove noatun [17:17] noatun sucks [17:17] grep noatun /var/log/packages/* [17:18] dissociative: what will that do? im still n00b [17:18] wait [17:18] vinnie_: it will tell you which package does noatun belong to [17:18] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] and it is kdemultimedia [17:18] grep -w noatun$ /var/log/packages/* [17:19] vinnie_: it will search for the string 'noatun' in the list of installed packages [17:19] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) left irc: Client Quit [17:19] vinnie_: just run pkgtool and choose remove and find noatun [17:19] When I try to bring up my wireless interface, I get "firmware: requesting rt2561s.bin\nphy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware." [17:20] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [17:20] how can I debug hald [17:20] according to the archlinux wiki, they have a firmware package for it. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RT61_Wireless [17:20] how would I get this on slackware? [17:20] pi31415: the package name containing this file is rt61-firmware-1.2-fw-1.tgz [17:20] pi31415: download it and put it in /lib/firmware ? [17:21] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFBC86.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:21] if you have done a full install it should be already on your system [17:21] the rt61 firmware is included in slackware [17:21] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:21] pi31415: did you do a full install? [17:21] dissociative: run the script manually and see any errors on stdout or /var/log files [17:22] nullboy: I don't remember [17:22] pi31415: you need to set up /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf [17:22] but if you have a laptop and change wifi access points often you might want to look in to wicd [17:23] ahh... thank god its gone. thanx [17:23] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFBC86.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] the stock script work fine and wpa_supplicant.conf and handle multiple networks just fine including plain,wep,wpa{1,2} [17:23] you don't need wicd to roam with wireless on slackware [17:23] yes, i know wicd now is part of slackware [17:24] which package contains the rt61 firmware? [17:24] i thought wicd is the cat's ass for wifi roaming on laptops [17:24] ah, n/rt61-firmware [17:24] its in the /n directory [17:25] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [17:25] nullboy: if the connection drops at some point the stock script will reconnect ? [17:25] another question.. how do i make konsole text turn red when i am SU? [17:26] Lord_Khelben: it shows only http://pastebin.com/d79efbd83 [17:26] I thought I had installed everything except emacs and KDE, but I was wrong. After installing the rt61-firmware package, my wireless card works.. [17:27] goodboy leroy [17:27] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.90.15) left irc: "Saindo" [17:27] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] dissociative: run hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes to avoid the daemonize [17:28] hal needs dbus. is rc.messagebus executable ? [17:28] Keigo (n=tobberot@29.19.185.213.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] Keigo (n=tobberot@29.19.185.213.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] got it [17:29] *** [DIE] mmap_cache.c:di_rules_init():79 : Couldn't mmap file '/var/cache/hald/fdi-cache', errno=22: Invalid argument [17:30] schenkel (n=Miranda@189.103.2.10) left irc: Client Quit [17:30] that file is empty [17:30] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl6-97.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "reboot.brb" [17:31] I have a separate partition for /var now, [17:34] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] its so hard to find a new wallpaper now days [17:35] DeviantArt has plenty [17:35] colmcille (n=colmster@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [17:35] and interfacelift [17:36] i can never dine one on there i like [17:37] senthil (n=senthil@c-98-211-167-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:39] done [17:39] I had to run as root /usr/libexec/hald-generate-fdi-cache [17:39] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:39] I think that probably the old cache file got corrupted [17:40] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.76.188) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] NuMaStresa (n=smart@92.81.196.47) joined ##slackware. [17:41] looks like I need to restart kde probably for accessing the dvd drive [17:41] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[17:47] let's see [17:47] happy new year guys [17:47] giuppy (n=giuppy@host90-193-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:48] happy new year [17:48] Today is Sweetmorn, the 1st day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 [17:48] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] happy new year :) [17:49] Hi. I have an hp scanjet 2300c. According to the sane page, completely supported. [17:50] dmesg shows the system can see it. [17:50] then xsane or kooka should run it, but most likely only as root or su ganeshix [17:50] I see... I'll try as root. [17:50] are you a member of the scanner group? [17:50] I'll check... [17:50] su in a term [17:50] er no you shouldn't need to be root if in the correct group [17:50] su in a term, then type in either xsane or kooka [17:51] that is just wrong [17:51] which group, i tried many and never got mine to let me run as a user [17:51] scanner [17:51] both of which should error - they won't have perms for the display [17:51] I was not a member. I just became one. [17:52] ganeshix: you need to log out before the change will work [17:52] and your shell is STILL not a member [17:52] nor will it ever be [17:52] Oh, I see.. thank you, rob0 [17:52] I'll log off and then try again... [17:53] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:55] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:57] rehabdoll (n=misfit@c-dbd4e555.027-95-6e6b7011.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [17:57] hmm, acpitool claims 10%/22 mins remaining, kde claims 7%/15 mins of battery left [17:57] It is working, right out of the box... thank you guys. [17:58] ktabic: welcome to the world of reporting stats [17:58] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFBC86.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] the best things about statistics is you can make them up on the fly to prove any point no matter how crazy [18:00] Shuren (n=Devilman@host223-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [18:00] acidchild (i=ash@208.92.235.204) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:00] Shuren (n=Devilman@host223-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[18:06] oops, not my brightest idea [18:07] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.130.221) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:07] arny` (n=arny@79.119.151.38) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:09] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.130.221) joined ##slackware. [18:10] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:10] ktabic, lol ;) [18:10] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:10] that was unrelated to the battery, honest [18:13] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:13] hi, anybody know how to execute commands when i connect to internet with the interfaz eth0 or wlan0? [18:16] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [18:16] brb [18:16] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. 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[18:27] maybe a udev RUN rule could work if you make it snag some KERNEL attrib [18:27] good day all [18:29] good day:) [18:30] damn, computer unlocked after hour of paging :-/ ...i gotta limit firefox o_o [18:31] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:32] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [18:33] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:36] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:36] greetings [18:36] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.118.225.26.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] freebsd has the worse install ever [18:37] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:38] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:38] i agree lotec, freebsd's install is like a 3 year old kid decided to copy slackware's installer [18:38] t4k3r0n: i'm close man [18:38] ;) [18:38] few more mins [18:39] the text install of solaris is pretty horrible, worse than freebsd imo by far [18:39] i dont get it. thank god i am doing this in vmware. but i ahve to switch disk constantley. and if you do pick a full install u stil have to select the pkg u want to install. wtf is the use of slecting full install then? [18:39] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-44-100.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [18:40] lotec: selecting a full install works fine for me [18:40] redhat's, mandrake's and debian's text based installers are decent [18:40] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:40] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-44-100.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:40] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-44-100.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:40] you choose full install and take the defaults for the package set [18:40] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [18:40] it worked for me but i still had to choose pkg's and the switching of the cd's is crazy [18:40] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-44-100.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:41] thats why bsd is so secure, the os is so damn annoying to use nobody wants to use or hack it :D [18:41] o they went the vista way :D [18:42] the key for freebsd is to do a minimal install, then use the ports for the little extras like bash, vim, X ;p [18:42] serious why not put the pkg's for say a-h on disk 1 then h-q on disk 2 etc i dont get it [18:43] seems like the BSDs would at least make the install more streamlined especially if they want to stick to a text based install [18:43] Pig_Pen: by that definition, surely vista is the most secure: nobody I know wants to touch it with a 10' barge pool, let alone install it [18:43] lotec: what are you talking about? cd1 has full base install for a CLI system [18:43] so i have to do a mininal install. and then install pkg anyway :D [18:43] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "ByeBye" [18:43] nullboy all of the lib pkg's are on disk 2 [18:44] the dev libs [18:44] the system will run fine with cd1 [18:44] Slackware 12.2 Install ISO disc 1 (A/AP/D/E/L/N, bootable installer, kernels, Slackbook) [18:44] L is right there [18:44] remembers the las time i installed freebsd is wanted random disc [18:44] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [18:44] well all i did was select full base install with X-windows. [18:45] lotec: X is on disk 2 [18:45] i did add xchat to it and left kde out of the mix and gnome [18:45] you get a fully functional network server system with disk 1 [18:45] well then i must of missed something. [18:45] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.87.182) joined ##slackware. [18:45] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [18:47] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:47] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:50] hum well looking over the manual looks like i did what it says. [18:51] selected standard install and exited. [18:51] hum [18:51] maybe the iso's i downloaded are messed up [18:51] lotec: I always select a minimal install for freebsd then either compile what I want using ports or use pkg-add if I'm in a hurry. [18:52] not as much cd switching that way [18:52] hitest. i just want to install it. i have not even used bsd in 5 years i think. so i just wanted a full install to see how it ran. [18:52] yeah, it is similar to slackware in the install [18:52] but u would think they would fix the cd switching thing. or put the stuff in order as it would be needed [18:52] yes [18:52] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:52] there is nothing good on TV tonite other than twilight zone reruns [18:53] the cd thing is annoying as hell [18:53] Pig_Pen watch the rose bowl :D [18:53] Pig_Pen: yeah they are going though 1957-2009 episodes [18:53] hitest yea i dont understand why they would of done it like that. u do a full install of slack and the cd move with the pkg's [18:53] or at least put out a dvd version :D [18:53] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.244.43.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:53] Pig_Pen: I thought you said there was nothing good on TV tonight ;) [18:54] naw, not a football fan, too many boring plays to wait through just to catch that one spectacular play [18:54] yes, I don't get it eitther [18:55] lotec: I do a minimal install make sure I install ports from the cd. then I re-boot and use pkg_add to install xorg and kde [18:55] i hope my crap gets here tommorow i got to get my dang server back up [18:55] hitest ill keep that in mind. that is all i need is xorg and kde [18:55] lotec: the cd thing has been fixed quite a while for FreeBSD [18:56] ? [18:56] it does that with frebsd 7.0 [18:56] freebsd [18:56] TRUNASUCI (n=trunasuc@118.100.211.196) left irc: "[BX] He-Man uses BitchX. *HE HAS THE POOWWEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!!!!!*" [18:56] yea i downloaded the newiest iso's last night [18:57] but anyways I use pointyhat packages anyways :) [18:57] 7.1 beta/ [18:57] damn [18:57] I m upgrading to 7.1-RELEASE right now [18:57] ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/ [18:57] freebsd 7.1 beta? [18:57] ones i used [18:57] UPS were not running their trucks today, i have a package that was sitting in Memphis Tenn since yesterday morning [18:57] ah [18:57] yeah I run 7.0 [18:57] check out OpenBSD, it's pretty awesome. :) [18:58] Pig_Pen: well of course not considering it's a holiday :) [18:58] OpenBSD is good if you like the opposite of GPK :) [18:58] Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) joined ##slackware. [18:58] bah GPL [18:58] I've thought about openbsd.......hard to set-up? [18:58] i think openbsd was the last one i ran [18:58] kitche: why so? [18:58] and openbsd doesnt support much hardware unlike freebsd [18:58] memphis is not too far, i will get that package by monday afternoon [18:59] limac: OpenBSD is replacing it's userland with BSD license code [18:59] which I like but a lot of the stuff they are doing is rewritting the wheel [18:59] hmm, that's not cool! [18:59] I'd rather use llvm over pcc [18:59] yup, me too. [19:00] I use llvm to compile ports actually it doesn't compile FreeBSD source though yet [19:01] wish I had more ram then 256 megs so I could copy the windows xp files over faster to my qemu image [19:01] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [19:01] kitche: wow, you running with 256mb? [19:02] jebus kitche how do u run with only 256mb? [19:02] Well, he turns on his computer, then the BIOS starts initializing... [19:02] easy I don't compile very often :) [19:02] what processor? [19:02] what kind of comp u running? [19:03] well i do hve 256 in my firewall box. but it is striped to nothing [19:03] that's why I only compile small programs in freebsd. my freebsd box has 256 MB RAM as well [19:03] i486? [19:03] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-44-100.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] Plll 667 [19:04] pentium 4 celeron which is almost out the door as soon as I save enough money up [19:04] then I'll build a core i7 machine [19:04] ok and done. rebooting [19:04] cool i7 :) [19:04] takes roughly 20 minutes to build kernel on FreeBSD and 2 hours for the world to build :) [19:04] kitche: that's gonna be pretty costly though. [19:05] limac: 1k [19:05] I already figured the price out :) [19:05] wow, if I buy the hardware from microcenter, it would cost around 1.7k [19:05] maybe I should research more. [19:06] well 1.2k but that's with certain stuff I added [19:06] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.118.225.26.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] brb [19:06] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:06] I can go in a store and buy a computer for 1k that has less power then a core 1k [19:06] ore i7 [19:07] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] It's kind of confusing, some times building costs more than buying, sometimes vice versa. But I feel safe building. ;) [19:07] anyways I m off to go watch the game [19:07] later, have fun. [19:07] bye:) [19:08] btw, what game? [19:08] Buffalo Sabres,me thinks. [19:08] football? [19:09] Action: limac doesn't know much about sports [19:09] Hockey. [19:09] i am not much of a sports fan myself [19:09] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] I'm not either [19:11] hum what is the default windows manager does freebsd use? [19:11] GNOME, I believe. [19:11] i cant get a menu to come up [19:11] no this is not gnome. this is like blackbox i think [19:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [19:12] cat > ~/.xinitrc then open ~/.xinitc with vi and add the window manager you prefer providing you have it installed [19:14] z` (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] oops forget the > in that command [19:16] hey lotec:) I'm certainly not a freebsd expert. I go to this forum when I need help: http://forums.freebsd.org/ [19:17] z` (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: No route to host [19:17] internet explorer market share drops below 70% :D [19:17] hitest yea i am reading there book as i am going here doing it all on the fly :D [19:18] yeah...the freebsd manual is excellent [19:18] souljas_ (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Zorad (n=tvoao@201-92-21-10.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [19:21] sh0ne (n=Unknown@91.150.96.56) joined ##slackware. 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[19:39] hot tub i think [19:39] had to turn the heat up morre [19:40] i wish i had a hot tub, all i can do is eat beans and take a bath :D [19:40] hehehehehe [19:42] those new bath tubs are nice, i seen some wide and deep enough for two adults [19:44] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.52.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:45] once i lived in a house that had one of those old fashioned tubs with the feet on it, it had a nice slope to the back so after working all day i could fill it with hot water and relax in it [19:45] hate taking baths [19:46] i like a bath if i can take a shower afterwards [19:47] the only difference between a bath and a hot tub is the soap and (if company is coming) bathing suit [19:47] this house i own now has a small tub (only for kids) so i just take showers now [19:47] oh - and how many can fit in the water at one time [19:47] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.37.109) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:49] there is a big difference between a bath and hot tub to me. i am not in a hottube to actually wash myself i am in there to relax [19:49] a bath can do the same as well - it's just a matter of how big the tub is [19:49] Pig_Pen do you light candles and put them on the tube also?> [19:52] jebus Tiger Direct has a 1tb drive for 80 bucks [19:52] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] Interestingly, a hot tub has more potential to clean than a bath. [19:52] evo_ (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [19:53] http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/wem1805.asp?cm_re=Homepage-_-Spot%2022-_-email_wem1805 [19:53] no, i have a little yellow rubber duck and a sailboat [19:53] as i was ended yesterday [19:53] Hi, I'm interessted in Slackware and have a few questions how you manage your packages in practise. The Pkg-Mgt tool does no dependence checks. So you have to install all dependences by hand. Now, you have installed alot of packages. How do you know which liabrary or package (already installed) depends on another package and which? [19:54] Ooh, it's this argument again! [19:54] clementis: this is how u tell. If you try to start it and if fails you missed a pkg [19:55] clementis: you find out what pkg your are missing my running the program in a term window. [19:55] clementis: unfortunately, these questions keep coming up, so don't be surprised if you get some not-so-friendly replies [19:55] i am glad slackware does not hold your hand and decide which packages to install for you [19:55] optionally, it should be in the README in the documentation directory [19:56] Clementis: you can also try a much easier distro like http://www.ubuntu.com/ so you dont have to bother us while we are talking about taking baths [19:56] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:57] what if you want to try a new package and are unsure of the dependencies, so you start to build this package from source, then either ./configure or make will tell you if something is missing, and if you do not want that dependant package installed you can opt to not install the package and find an alternative [19:57] Clementis: you can also do most of the work yourself and read http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html [19:58] Pig_Pen, unless the binary author was smart/clever enough to determine dependencies at run-time, you're still going to run into that problem. [19:59] Clementis: you can also read this after you finish the totaly awsome slackbook http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz [19:59] don't call it a problem, call it part of installation [19:59] Sorry didn't know that I joint the local bath channel! :-[ I have already read some parts of Slackbook. I'm just interessted how to manage pkges in practise. How do you check if all dependences are updated when you upgrade a pkg? [20:00] clementis: manually [20:00] as previously mentioned check the documentaton, if something doesn't run you'e missing a library or dependency [20:00] clementis: as i said it will not run if you dont have have all of the dependences installed. Now Run Run my child and Read [20:01] clementis, you look at the documentation. [20:01] The package itself has no dependency information . [20:01] when all else fails. rm -rf / [20:01] also when you run a command look at the errors, it may tell you what is missing [20:02] lotec: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda [20:02] When you see an installed e.g. liabrary how do you know to which pkg it depends? [20:02] ins40 :D [20:02] clementis: as stated before read the docs that come with the pkg [20:03] what are you trying to install clementis? [20:03] clementis: /usr/doc [20:03] hitest: NOOOOOOOOOO ops i am to late [20:03] clementis: libraries do not have dependencies on programs - it's the other way around. the only way to tell if a program depends on a library is check the program [20:03] lol [20:04] oops laughing at lotec's comment [20:04] clementis: ldd /bin/cp [20:04] clementis, if you installed a package and dont' know what it's dependancy's are, you can use "ldd" on the binary and it will show you its dependancies [20:04] Action: lotec waits for clementis to ask yet again how to tell what library a pkg needs [20:05] lotec: actually he asked what pkg a lib needs *g* [20:06] clementis: http://www.osnews.com/story/3974/Slackware_Package_Management_Part_I_Anatomy_of_Slack_Packages [20:06] lns40: no - he was asking how you can tell which pakcages are dependent on a library from the library, not quite the same [20:06] alisonken1home: I know that libraries depend on programs. But if you find installed liabraries how do you know if you can remove it without bother an application? Just try it? [20:07] alisonken1home: ok... 8^) [20:07] clementis: run ldd on every program and other libraries on your system [20:07] Action: lotec is getting confused [20:07] clementis: http://www.osnews.com/story/3974/Slackware_Package_Management_Part_I_Anatomy_of_Slack_Packages [20:09] clementis: the other way is to see which package that library came from, then check the other packages notes to see if that package depends on that library. The problem arises when someone installs programs/libraries from source without first making a package of it so the package manager can keep track of it [20:10] makepkg :D [20:11] clementis: and by the way - libraries do NOT depend on programs, you have that backwards. libraries are common routines for your system. Programs call routines from libraries - not the way you said it [20:12] bird603568 (n=bird@unaffiliated/bird603568) joined ##slackware. [20:12] bird603568 (n=bird@unaffiliated/bird603568) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:12] one library _may_ depend on another library, but NO library depends on a program [20:13] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ok, thank you! I do some further readings and likely come back with some questions! Yes, I mixed it up - programs depend on libraries. Thank you! [20:13] good evening boys and girls.. and a happy newyear :-) [20:13] Happy New Year!! [20:13] macavity what up ? [20:13] happy happy, joy joy - Stimpy [20:15] lotec: not much.. i'm stuck with all my projects until i get hold of an external HD, as next step requires a repartition... [20:15] dude i got a crap tone of old hd all u need is a usb enclosure for an ide drive [20:15] By the way, I'd like to take a shower but in winter sometimes having a bath is pleasant. :) Hapy New Year! [20:16] i got an 80 and 160 gb sitting in my room [20:16] 160 would do it.. but i suspect that its cheeper for me to buy one than to get you to ship it to Denmark :P [20:16] lotec make a PC and install as many harddrives as you can from the biggest and best of the litter and install FreeNAS [20:16] macavity: good point good point. [20:17] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:17] i am waiting for fedx to deliver my dang qnap tommorow so i can get my dang server back up. [20:17] or just get some used junk of a PC, as long as it works, install the biggest and best harddrives and FreeNAS [20:17] lotec: thats always the trouble.. i was about to trade wifi cards with someone here.. untill we found out that it would cost *twize* the price of the respective cards, for either of us to send it to the other [20:18] Pig_Pen i had that set up not to long ago. got tired of it. i order the qnap and a 1tb drive that will take care of it i think or at least i hope so [20:18] ah, ok, nevermind [20:18] macavity well move to the us then :D [20:19] Pig_Pen i do have a nice dell poweredge 1300 sitting in my room dual p3's 512mb of memory made a nice server just needs some fans [20:19] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:19] fans are cheap and plentiful [20:19] lotec: a) they would not let me in, b) i dont think i would last long if they actually did, since my mouth tend to echo what i think, and finally d) i dont actually think i would like to live a place where i cant affor healthcare insurrance [20:19] Keigo (n=tobberot@29.19.185.213.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:20] lotec: other then that, sure, neat idea :P [20:20] macavity u can aford health care here just cut off an arm leg and your marbles :D [20:20] the US government is a crooked racket, the people in the US are ok, just that the government sucks [20:20] Pig_Pen i just got tired of how loud it is and how much heat it added to my room so i ordered the qnap and the hd for it [20:20] wouldnt that just get me rejected right from the application? [20:21] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:21] macavity: HUM ok u win [20:21] whats a qnap? [20:21] lotec: wow, those 2bay hotswappable would be nice [20:21] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [20:21] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822107007 [20:21] i ordered that one [20:22] souljas: yea i was thinking the same thing when i ordered the one i got. [20:22] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:22] hmm, how to copy & paste text in the commandline [20:22] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822107002 sold 2 of these recently , but neve had a chance to setup or use one [20:24] Pig_Pen crtl+v [20:24] souljas: how much did u sale them for> [20:24] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [20:24] not sure they where included with other srevices [20:25] services [20:25] a guy at work has one he recomended it to me. uses nix for the micro os hoping it preforms ok [20:26] the bos usually adds 15% to the price [20:26] gpm /dev/mouse -3 ??? [20:26] i know i am not going to get what i got out of my server but that thing does everything i want it to do. http: ftp,ssh, torrent download program [20:27] macavity anyway what project u working on>? 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[20:39] sahko: looks like they have som rpm's you may be able to use rpm2targz [20:41] http://download.go-oo.org/OOO300/ooo-build-3.0.0.3.6.tar.gz [20:41] i dont use rpm sorry [20:41] :) [20:41] use checkinstall [20:41] i understand [20:42] README says "making an OO.o build / install possible for the common man.[1] [1] - assuming the common man has 4Gb+ of spare space, and lots of idle CPU time. [20:43] lets find out :) [20:43] bbl [20:43] supper [20:43] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-221-17.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [20:44] i left out the most important part :This package contains Desktop integration work for OpenOffice.org, several back-ported features & speedups, and a *much simplified build wrapper* [20:45] Nick change: gewt -> GewtRelayBot [20:45] anybody know how to ssh into a specific computer that shares an IP? [20:46] JasonosaJ: your question makes no sense to me [20:46] "man ssh", you can set per-host options [20:46] JasonosaJ: change the port ssh is running on the computer u want to connect to? [20:46] I'd suggest using different hostnames for the same IP, however. [20:46] JasonosaJ: with shared hosting, you have to call and provide cc [20:47] obviously they can't both share 22. [20:47] ok thanks [20:47] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.226.2.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] JasonosaJ: here is another idea. buy a router? [20:48] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.5.77) joined ##slackware. [20:48] ATA over Ethernet looks like JUST the thing i need :-) [20:49] macavity what are u working on? [20:50] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "rehashing..." [20:51] Nick change: GewtRelayBot -> gewt [20:51] someone is going to drop off two "old" HP machines at my place soon [20:52] macavity, ATA over ethernet? NFS is probably better [20:52] both being 2.4GHz P4 Prescott with 1GB ram [20:52] when I try make -C /lib/modules/2.xxx./build M="pwd" to build the broadcom sta driver, it says: /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7/pwd/Makefile: No such file or directory / make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7/pwd/Makefile'. Stop. [20:52] edman007: NFS has fscked up on me a couple of times [20:52] did I miss something? :( [20:53] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] macavity, thats because your mean [20:54] yow5465 (n=R5464@ll62-67-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [20:54] also, i dont want to bother with NIS [20:54] at least not at this point [20:54] IntangibleLiquid: use `` instead of "" (i.e. use backticks) [20:55] alienBOB, i used the ' ' in my command, the same thing happened [20:55] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [20:55] IntangibleLiquid: READ what I said [20:55] IntangibleLiquid: use $(pwd) [20:55] NIS is not a component of NFS [20:55] IntangibleLiquid: ` is not ' [20:55] yow5465 (n=R5464@ll62-67-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) left irc: Client Quit [20:56] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [20:56] rob0: no, but for NFS i need to make sure the UIDs done clash [20:56] *dont [20:57] ah, that you do, yes. [20:57] alienBOB, /home/fresco20/hybrid_wl/src/wl/sys/wl_iw.c:1028: error: too few arguments to function 'iwe_stream_add_value' [20:57] i got about 4-5 errors like them [20:57] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-221-17.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:57] warning: passing argument 5 of 'iwe_stream_add_value' makes pointer from integer without a cast [20:57] Well I only commented about your first error. These others are software errors [20:58] Action: rob0 just copies passwd/group/shadow among different machines -- lame but effective [20:58] ok, so I should blame broadcom, resort to b43 then :-) [20:58] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:58] Yes, or look for a patch to support 2.6.27 kernel [20:59] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [20:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.87.182) left irc: "Quit" [21:00] IntangibleLiquid: first google hit: http://jaux.net/2008/10/14/patch-to-broadcom-80211-linux-sta-driver-for-kernel-2627/ [21:00] LOL [21:01] highly efficient google-fu :P [21:01] alienBOB, found it sir, i'm doing the patch [21:01] what user is your /tmp dir owned by, root? [21:01] My mum [21:01] But she lets you use it. [21:01] ad mother [21:01] o intangibleLiquid: i see alienbob's shorts are are big as your's [21:01] bad even [21:02] SiegeX: drwxrwxrwt 109 root root [21:02] The 109 is irrelevant btw [21:02] thanks, somehow I must have changed that [21:02] SiegeX: usually a bad script that does that [21:02] lotec, hehe, i read his profile, his must be much bigger [21:03] must have been, pretty sure it was one of mine [21:03] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:04] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:07] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [21:07] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [21:09] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. 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[21:14] hi, im having some weird problems with my Xorg server im using slack 12.0, when i start the X server i can only see a frozen cursor in the top left of the screen and the whole machine dies out, i have an nvidia 7100GS card, i wasnt having any problems until i had an unexpected power outage (weirdest is that im using ReiserFS), i tried reinstalling the xorg server but nothing ... [21:14] Is it the nvidia driver pthreat? [21:15] or xorg's [21:15] endocet (i=danny@99.21.35.107) joined ##slackware. [21:15] mrselfpwn: tried both i removed the propietary one now [21:15] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] Did you use xorgconfig to create it? [21:16] no [21:16] log out and then in as root. rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf then run xorgconfig [21:17] or backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf [21:17] im on it [21:17] already backed up [21:17] ok [21:17] then answer the questions it gives [21:17] mrselfpwn: do you happen to know the correct VertRefresh and HorizSync for a 19' monitor ? [21:17] usually say no to xkb stuff when it asks [21:17] lcd? [21:18] Shadow696 (i=1000@85.65.44.215.dynamic.barak-online.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] pthreat, consult the monitor documentation. [21:19] yes [21:19] More often than not, the specifications are listed. [21:19] ccfreak2k: right, forgot to say i bought it used and no documentation available :p altough i think it should be something pretty standard [21:19] though, my 22 in Lcd is HorizSync 30.0 - 81.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 [21:19] if that helps [21:20] mrselfpwn: lets try that one [21:21] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:21] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:22] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:22] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:23] luism (n=luissmm@host240.190-226-155.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:23] ok configured it again, if i fall off irc ... you already know [21:24] somebody help me with conky? i got this message :Conky: can't open '/sys/class/hwmon/hwmon1/device/temp1_input': No such file or directory [21:25] no luck with vesa [21:25] I'll go out on a limb and venture a guess that /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon1/device/temp1_input is missing. [21:25] Generally monitor sync/refresh rates are autodetected, especially on newer monitors like LCD. [21:26] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [21:26] did that work pthreat? [21:28] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:28] rob0, LCDs don't have em... [21:30] pthreat (n=pthreat@host216.201-253-16.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:46] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-170-87.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [21:46] ok, I've blacklisted b43, modprobe ieee80211_crypt_tkip and insmod /wl.ko but wifi still doesn't work, any idea? [21:48] fresco20_, what wifi card are you working with? [21:48] you must be the 20th guy here in the last week having problems with broadcom.. [21:48] Pa^2, broadcom [21:49] which one? [21:49] macavity, oh the world hates broadcom as much as i do [21:49] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:49] 4311 [21:50] the b43 module works, but the signal quality is nowhere as near the native, i'm trying to work on the native, what a hassle [21:50] whats the name of the propietary one? [21:51] http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [21:51] and btw, from the kernel's point of view, the propietary one is not the native one :P [21:51] here's the how to: http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt [21:52] it says PCI ID 4315 [21:52] lspci -n [21:52] does that match yours? [21:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [21:52] macavity, it sure does, the ubuntu package works out of the box [21:53] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.5.77) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:53] Nick change: fresco20_ -> IntangibleLiquid [21:54] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [21:54] ok, so you followed the instructions, only replacing the xx.xx with the appropriate? [21:54] yeah [21:54] i used a patched version of the driver for my kernel [21:54] then managed to produce the wl.ko [21:55] ah, you the same guy :P [21:55] i blacklisted b43 and ssb, modprobe ieee and insmod the module as they said [21:55] and Wicd cant still recognize [21:55] macavity, i got disconnected when i rmmod [21:55] rmmod ssb? [21:55] and b45 [21:56] b43 srr [21:56] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:56] What's the problem again? [21:56] does the interface show up in ifconfig? [21:57] macavity, no unfortunately [21:57] also, after you have blacklisted b43 you *may* need to powercycle [21:57] ccfreak2k, was trying to work on the native broadcom http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [21:57] Why's that? [21:57] it is NOT native.... [21:57] ccfreak2k, because the signal quality is much better [21:58] macavity, ok haha [21:58] IntangibleLiquid: i suggest you do a hard reboot, now that you have blacklisted b43 [21:59] macavity, i did man [21:59] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-170-87.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:59] ok.. not good then [21:59] bono (i=bono@114-45-226-6.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:00] its fine if I send SIGHUP to kdm while being under a window manager if I changed the kdm config file? [22:00] /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc [22:00] it's like 80% of the search queries to my blog is "broadcom sta driver" [22:00] Action: IntangibleLiquid is not alone [22:02] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl203-78.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:02] should I give up already? [22:02] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] i take it these: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=broadcom&sv=12.2 are just stuff to get the in-tree (native!) b43 driver to run, right? [22:04] bono (i=bono@118-160-170-170.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] macavity, yeah man [22:04] ok [22:04] these are to get the firmware for the module [22:04] roger [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] im out of ideas then [22:04] ok [22:05] oh, one more thing! [22:05] what? [22:05] if you lsmod, do you see mac80211 or ieee80211? [22:05] or both? [22:05] none [22:06] ieee80211_crypt [22:06] only see this [22:06] and this ieee80211_crypt_tkip [22:06] zcat /proc/config.gz | grep ieee80211 [22:06] i dont remember if the the wireless stacks are compiled as modules... [22:07] and im on my own kernel setup here [22:07] (i too need patches and stuff.. but at least my ralink and atheros stuff works without poison-ware) [22:08] macavity, there's no output [22:08] When I try to install nvidia legacy drivers (for my GeForce2) the module stops with this error: http://pastebin.com/f2df394df [22:08] Any ideas? [22:08] zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_IEEE80211 [22:08] sorry, my bad [22:08] I mean has anyone managed to compile the 71.xx drivers on Slack 12.2 ? [22:09] CONFIG_IEEE80211=m [22:09] # CONFIG_IEEE80211_DEBUG is not set [22:09] CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_WEP=m [22:09] Channel flood from IntangibleLiquid -- kicking [22:09] CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_CCMP=m [22:09] CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_TKIP=m [22:09] IntangibleLiquid kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:09] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.5.77) joined ##slackware. [22:09] an obvious violation of flooding policy [22:10] l2pastebin [22:10] FriedBob, will be more polite next time :) [22:11] IntangibleLiquid: modprobe ieee80211 [22:11] macavity, done [22:11] IntangibleLiquid: it SHOULD have been loaded.. it is needed for ieee80211_crypt_tkip [22:12] i dont know why that did not auto load it [22:12] macavity, it's loaded, what's to do next? [22:12] you may have to rmmod wl then insmod it again [22:13] then check with ifconfig -a to see if the interface has become available [22:13] SiegeX (n=SiegeX6@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:13] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [22:13] sadly, no [22:14] this is just crap man lolz [22:14] nick4: ill be with you in a seccond.. [22:14] macavity okey :) [22:14] IntangibleLiquid: lsmod | grep ieee80211 [22:14] IntangibleLiquid: pastebin the output this time :P [22:15] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] nick4: for starters, whats the output of uname -r [22:15] the *exact* output [22:15] macavity 2.6.27.7-smp [22:15] I am running stock kernel [22:16] macavity, http://pastebin.com/mfb0f51b [22:16] I know that nvidia doesnt compile on non-smp kernels, I learned the hard way with 12.1 :P [22:16] ok, good, thats the first thing to check.. nvidia has always failed to compile on the non-smp kernels, if people did not fix their headers [22:17] macavity, looks like you've come up against another hard rock [22:17] macavity: Seems like made planning/management/something on Nvidia's part [22:17] Meh, bad planning [22:17] I need to stop reading one thing, listening to another and trying to type a 3rd [22:18] macavity ok, what do I try next? [22:18] nick4: two secs [22:18] ooookey [22:18] nick4, give him some space :) [22:18] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.164.6.252) joined ##slackware. [22:18] ok ok :P [22:18] IntangibleLiquid: modprobe -r wl ieee80211 ieee80211-crypt ieee80211 [22:19] sorry! [22:19] IntangibleLiquid: modprobe -r wl ieee80211 ieee80211-crypt ieee80211-crypt-tkip [22:19] right one ^^ [22:19] timepilot (n=timepilo@c-98-216-175-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: [22:20] IntangibleLiquid:then modprobe ieee80211 ieee80211-crypt ieee80211-crypt-tkip path/to/wl.ko [22:20] IntangibleLiquid: my suspecion is that since no depmod is done, some or the other does not load in the correct order [22:20] IntangibleLiquid: if that does not work, then i am all out [22:21] macavity, take a rest man, i'm reverse to b43 lolz [22:21] oh i hate broadcom [22:24] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-134-144.b2b2c.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:24] nick4: it looks like this you will have to wait for an updated version.. [22:25] Shadow696 (i=1000@85.65.44.215.dynamic.barak-online.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:25] nick4: from what i read, it doesnt like kernel version .27+ [22:26] nick4: you can revert to .26.x if you feel brave, or you can try to compile the nouveau (or how the *heck* that is spelled) driver [22:26] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl8-23.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:26] nick4_: did you just time out? [22:26] yes [22:26] nick4: it looks like this you will have to wait for an updated version.. [22:26] nick4: from what i read, it doesnt like kernel version .27+ [22:26] ahh [22:27] I see [22:27] nick4: you can revert to .26.x if you feel brave, or you can try to compile the nouveau (or how the *heck* that is spelled) driver [22:27] I am thinking of trying an older version [22:27] uhm, an older kernel? [22:27] no [22:27] older nvidia driver [22:27] you wont get much luck with an older version of the nvidia driver, as its some of the kernel interfaces that has changed [22:27] qartis_ (n=qartis@218.109.150.205) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:27] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl203-78.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:27] Nick change: nick4_ -> nick4 [22:28] ah [22:28] hmm [22:28] so you will get the exact same error [22:28] then maybe it's time to try the slackbuild [22:28] i gave up on the propritary nvidia driver months ago. i was going grey! [22:28] LOL [22:28] I am going null :p [22:28] if there is a slackbuild for 12.2, go for it [22:29] hell yes, go for the slackbuild [22:29] downloading [22:29] hah :D [22:29] if it works, I am gonna try and analyze it to see why theirs worked [22:30] let me switch to irssi because I will need to kill X [22:30] brb [22:30] what was your driver version again? [22:30] wait [22:30] NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.06-pkg1.run [22:30] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.164.6.252) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:30] be riiiiight back [22:30] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl8-23.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [22:30] okies [22:31] nick4 (n=alek@adsl8-23.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:31] irssi + screen ftw :P [22:31] ok, no fear of X now [22:31] without screen, I dont know how to handle that one yet [22:31] your's was 71, but the slackbuild for legacy is 73 [22:32] that might explain why that works :P [22:32] PupUserbebbc9 (n=PupUserb@c-68-51-18-177.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] but still, the slackbuild is nice and clean... it handles the mesa situation very nicely [22:32] qartis (n=qartis@218.109.147.154) joined ##slackware. [22:33] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [22:33] what is the mesa situation? [22:33] that if you just run the .bin, it overwrites some of mesa [22:33] Nick change: gewt -> gewT [22:33] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:33] hm [22:34] you should read the "nvidia-switch" script that is packaged with the slackbuild.. [22:34] no worries, I have kept my xorg.conf from 12.1 :P [22:34] I just switch from nv to nvidia and bang! 3d acceleration [22:35] this machine is quite slow with out 3d-acc [22:35] macavity, will removing b43 and ssb from the blacklist and modprobe them suffice to revive them? [22:35] IntangibleLiquid: i hope so :P [22:36] ok, off to reboot [22:36] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.5.77) left irc: "Leaving" [22:36] yes.. its sad that we cant even get enough specs out of nVidia to at least build a rudimentry driver suitable for desktop use [22:36] :-/ [22:37] And too bad intel doesnt make stand-along vgas... [22:37] yes.. too bad indeed [22:37] it wooooorks! :D [22:37] thanks macavity [22:37] however, ATI is getting *much* better i hear [22:37] yes [22:37] i just bough a 4350 for the youngest kid [22:37] in a few years all linux users will be running ati [22:38] yup [22:38] with open source drivers ;) [22:38] no binary hell anymore [22:38] I hate my ati card [22:38] which one is that? [22:38] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.183) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [22:38] oh wait... [22:38] radeon hd 3100 [22:38] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-134-144.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:38] what chip is that based on? [22:38] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [22:38] RS780MC [22:39] ah.. just belove the line :-/ [22:39] I saw the nvidia logo but I can't run glxgears [22:39] from 800 and upwards it reasanobly good [22:39] nick4: did you do as the README said? [22:40] wait wait [22:40] gbelknap (n=greg@c-67-186-5-241.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] let me check that [22:40] :P [22:40] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.164.6.252) joined ##slackware. [22:40] it has given you another control knop to tweak ;-) [22:40] mine is crap [22:40] Nick change: bimoseptyop -> Guest47703 [22:40] nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] [22:40] Guest47703 (n=bimosept@120.164.6.252) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:41] quisten (n=none@75.76.225.205) left irc: "Leaving" [22:41] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [22:41] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:41] macavity, thanks for taking the time man, i guess we're both out of luck [22:42] glxgears: 520 frames in 5.2 seconds = 100.731 FPS yikes [22:42] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [22:42] you may call me a bitch, but i actually think its good that the binary crap didnt work :P [22:42] consider switching to Atheros [22:42] lol [22:42] they did a 180 u-turn recently [22:42] macavity, it's a laptop [22:42] so? [22:42] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:43] don't wanna spend that extra money :) [22:43] evening old one [22:43] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the chann :) [22:43] in 97 out of 100 laptops the wifi card is in the mini-pci slot :P [22:43] not any more [22:43] unless its crap old and uses pcmcia [22:43] mini pci-express [22:43] mini-pci[e] [22:44] out of luck, nvidia-switch --nvidia still didnt worked. Well, I will try again tomorrow, maybe I will do it manually with the .73 [22:44] thanks again macavity [22:44] night all [22:44] nick4 (n=alek@adsl8-23.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [22:44] i know this is bad, but if I blog about this broadcom thing, people will flock to my blog and get disappointed \o/ [22:45] how common are these broadcom gizmos anyways? [22:45] s [22:45] broadcom is crazy common [22:45] that's bad.. [22:45] they make nicely priced bluetooth/wifi chips [22:45] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:46] if you have a linksys router chances are it is broadcom based too [22:46] its not that bad [22:46] yup [22:46] nullboy: yup.. ive noticed :-/ [22:46] 7/10 the latest search queries to my blog are about Broadcom, guess how common it is [22:46] i wish mine were broadcom [22:46] my wrt [22:46] why that? [22:46] but..its not...and its not supported by the wrt replacement projects [22:47] the chip thats in it isn't supported [22:47] which one is that? [22:47] idr [22:49] gbelknap (n=greg@c-67-186-5-241.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:49] are there any advantages to compiling any of these Dell tools on the Dell p3? [22:49] ... these Dell tools ... ? [22:49] Action: t0f misses his cpu temp sensor [22:50] ttp://linux.dell.com/libsmbios/download/ [22:50] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:51] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:51] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] t0f, as opposed to? [22:52] on a fast computer? [22:52] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] just wondering if it's a waist of my time, that's all [22:54] advantages as opposed to what? [22:54] and it's 'waste' not 'waist' in this case :) [22:54] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] unless you eat it [22:54] ananke: Oi oi! [22:54] i have the mod loaded and doing nothing [22:54] lsmod |grep dcdbas [22:54] dcdbas 6176 0 [22:55] t0f : i'm not sure i follow. advantages to _what_ exactly? over what? [22:55] Perhaps you should look over those pages and decide if they're giving you functionailty that you need? [22:56] libsmbios is a nice tool for upgrading the bios on a dell box [22:56] as i said, really all i miss from my old system are the temp sensors. i'll read over the page and see, thanks [22:56] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:56] t0f : libsmbios won't provide you with that [22:57] ok [22:57] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [22:59] skibur (n=skibur@rrcs-24-153-168-210.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:59] hello [23:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:00] sh0ne (n=Unknown@91.150.96.56) left irc: "Leaving" [23:00] man i turned into a memory pig when i had 3 x 256. not i have to try to live in 512 [23:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] now* [23:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] maybe i should solder in the 3rd socket [23:01] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [23:01] hmm after switching to 12.2, the fundamental ability to use the keyboard fails often . . . [23:01] the bios probably wont see it [23:05] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [23:05] my x is kinda slow switching from term to term. question: will upgrading to 12.2 make it a bit worse? (the lag) [23:06] <-- xfce and an old 4x nvidia card [23:08] t0f, memory pig? i got 3.2GB used right now...and i don't consider it a lot... [23:08] this is a p3 [23:08] this is not [23:08] 3.2 is max on 32 bit [23:09] Action: edman007 wonders why xchat is eating 174MB ram... [23:09] good thing i'm not on 32-bit [23:09] ic [23:09] s/eating/leaking/ [23:09] :) [23:10] macavity, eh, i got the backscroll set to some crazy number, so i probably have over a weeks worth of irc in ram... [23:10] not sure if thats enough though [23:10] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.183) joined ##slackware. [23:10] and FF is using 550MB [23:10] O_O [23:10] What is the commando to format an USB stick using Microsoft's file system? [23:10] my terminal is using 182MB too... [23:11] commando> [23:11] Enigma (n=Enigma@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [23:11] asarch, mkdosfs [23:11] i'm using just below 400MB :P [23:11] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-134-144.b2b2c.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [23:11] Enigma (n=Enigma@222.172.221.99) left irc: Client Quit [23:11] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] I though it was part of the newfs.* tools [23:12] D'oh! [23:12] was...moved it [23:12] -F 32 is a good idea... [23:12] took me a while to figure out when the first moved it [23:13] PupUserbebbc9 (n=PupUserb@c-68-51-18-177.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [23:13] Action: asarch is writing on his USB stick the command [23:15] Do I need to create a partition inside the USB stick? [23:15] O_O? [23:15] yea [23:15] ..if you want it to work on normal systems [23:15] Oh [23:15] strictly speaking, no.. but it is customary, and, as edman007 points out, some systmes choke on filesystems on raw devices [23:16] Oh, I see [23:16] That's the reason why in OpenBSD I can mount the device and in Slackware it failed [23:16] nope [23:16] slackware usually handles it fine [23:17] it just have to manually mount it [23:17] *you [23:17] that is, you have to mount /dev/uba instead of /dev/uba1 [23:18] Look: [23:18] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 2a 05 00 [23:18] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [23:18] Channel flood from asarch -- kicking [23:18] sdb: unknown partition table [23:18] asarch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:18] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.183) joined ##slackware. [23:18] Did you see the paste? [23:18] asarch: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k [23:18] PLEASE... [23:18] Just one line: [23:18] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:18] "sdb: unknown partition table" [23:18] yes, unknown partition table [23:19] And, after the fdisk process: [23:19] "sdb: sdb1" [23:19] you didnt bother to read what i just told you... [23:19] but that a side.. now you have it the "right" way [23:19] sdb? is that slackware 12.1 or 12.2? [23:19] 12.2 [23:20] odd.. it *should* be uba now [23:20] [4a-52-4d] (n=Rogue@cpe-75-85-240-242.bak.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:20] <[4a-52-4d]> join #freebsd [23:20] or ub* [23:20] [4a-52-4d]: why? [23:20] lol :-D [23:20] <[4a-52-4d]> damn slash key didnt wanna work [23:20] Let's see if HAL can mount it [23:20] now it can [23:21] "mount: /dev/sdb1: can't read superblock " [23:22] "FAT: logical sector size too small for device (logical sector size = 512)" [23:22] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-170-87.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] did you mkdosfs -F32 /dev/sdb1 first? [23:22] Yes, I did [23:22] how big is the partition? [23:23] Don't laught please... 282MB :-( [23:23] " " <--that big? [23:23] It is an Hi-MD [23:23] Sony music player [23:26] I will fill with zeroes the device: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb [23:26] asarch: mkdosfs -F32 -S1024 [23:26] see mkdosfs(8) for more options :P [23:27] macavity, what makes you go with "1024" over the others available? [23:28] Old_Fogie: that it said 512 was too small :P [23:28] macavity, oh ok, heh :) [23:28] 282MB would be better as FAT16 [23:28] Old_Fogie: and that i *think* i remember seeing it as 1024 on the oldest kid's usb hdd, which is 300GB [23:29] rob0 may actually have a point there [23:29] the question just is if the Sony firmware can handle that? [23:29] Yes, but try not to draw attention to is, as I am self-conscious [23:29] it* [23:30] you are? [23:30] who wrote you? [23:32] ok now, so what makes rob0 think 282 would be a FAT 16? [23:32] s/would/should/ [23:32] s/yea/yes/yupper that's what I mean why for? [23:32] :) [23:33] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.226.2.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [23:33] maybe since thumbdrives that smaller were usuall fat16? [23:33] s/small [23:34] because the manpage says "if 32 is not specified, mkdosfs will choose between 12 and 16 and pick the one that *match the size of the filesystem*" [23:34] ok, that was paraphrasing in motion :P [23:34] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:35] macavity, yes but you declared 32 when you said F32; and he said try 16. so I suppose he's saying letting try and figure out 'automagically' then? [23:35] read it (the manpage), and it becomes clear that the FAT size is apparantly related to the filesystem size [23:36] fat 12 wont go above 2^12 bytes.. so that kinda rules it out for anything but floppies [23:36] this has confused me even in windows too,heh. same thing, windows offeres to format 32, but yet you wind up with 16 [23:36] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:38] nix that last comment.. [23:38] What does an Slackware user needs to do in order to be an Slacker? [23:38] Action: macavity consults wikipidea [23:38] asarch: experience :P [23:38] Oh [23:38] Ok now another question: When compiling xine-lib with ffmpeg from SBo oboard == fail. I've found patches from ubunut, and they work. Were/which/how might be best place to post them for rest of slack community? [23:38] That's a very good answer [23:38] asarch: nothing [23:38] ? [23:38] O_O? [23:39] Old_Fogie: contact the maintainer of the slackbuild [23:39] macavity, well Mr. V is for xine-lib [23:39] asarch: use Slackware everyday? [23:39] macavity, but he doesnt distrib an 'external' ffmpeg, only the ffmpeg that's in the source of xine-lib [23:39] Old_Fogie: ah.. i miss-read it as if SBo had an ffmpeg enabled xine-lib [23:39] Actually Slackware is the *ONLY* distro that works on a Compaq F755LA [23:40] yea, this is odd, don't know what to do to 'help' others who may need to recomp xine-lib and if they have ffmpeg from SBo onboard it fails. [23:40] And he will use Slackware every minute of the day [23:40] But "experiencie" is enough for me [23:40] Old_Fogie: i dont think that is part of the QC of slackbuilds.. but thx for the heads up :P [23:41] macavity, maybe I'll send them to heinz (ffmpeg) rworkman (dev for slack) ? [23:41] Old_Fogie: you may still want to give the SBo ffmpeg maintainer the info [23:41] rworkman, got your ears on? [23:41] macavity, yes that's heinz [23:41] drop you eggs then :P [23:42] *your [23:42] I have to recomp xine for gstreamer support [23:42] and vice-versa [23:42] it's a twisted circle jerk [23:42] oh.. cyclic dependencies sucks so bad.. [23:43] yup, like pango/cairo/poppler [23:43] those too are like that [23:43] and glib2 and gamin is another beaut [23:44] Old_Fogie, I was talking about cluster sizes, and in fact I probably wasn't right, FAT16 at 282MB is 8KB clusters. [23:44] that would be a space waster.. [23:45] But, the DOS format tool default[ed|s] to FAT16 for smaller than 512 [23:45] xcalc [23:45] ! [23:45] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:45] anyhow.. time to sleep [23:45] macavity, ok night [23:45] good night boys and girls [23:45] night [23:46] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...And don't do anything *I* would have done!" [23:46] rob0, ok so a mkdosfs with the -S switch there should invoke mkdosfs to find it out on it's own then (eg cluster size) [23:46] I don't remember, not looking at the man page now. [23:46] ok no biggie [23:49] sherique (n=e@207.193.28.210) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:54] Old_Fogie: re ffmpeg/xine, which one gets the patch? [23:54] rworkman, xine [23:54] ffmpeg changed API [23:55] Old_Fogie: easiest thing to do is to include it with our ffmpeg build in the docs. Mail pprkut [23:55] i have a 42" vizio 1080p LCD hdtv, with a computer monitor hook-up on the back. will it hurt the tv if i hook my computer to it? [23:55] rworkman, removing ffmpeg and recomp xine is fine tho then a reinstall ffmpeg is a workaround ofcourse [23:57] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:58] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:58] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [00:00] --- Fri Jan 2 2009