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[00:59] I installed alienBOB's 32-bit compatabilty packages but for some reason it seems to have a problem that it is not i386 [01:01] PathagenX (~Miranda@122.58.18.58) joined ##slackware. [01:01] dchmelik: yes. strangely enough I have. :) [01:02] I guess I will try again [01:02] dchmelik: It's not bitlbee that's the problem. [01:03] hey guys , is there any document aside from the changelog which gives some insight into what Pat & co are working on ? [01:03] mase_wk: not really. [01:03] not really [01:03] alien's blog [01:03] (sort of) [01:04] is that the blog listed in the topic ? [01:04] trhodes: that tells you just they are working on *something* [01:04] well, that's what alien's doing, but it does give some ideas if you read it right [01:05] ooh apparently Juhl is back......haven't heard that name for several years [01:05] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/ [01:07] mase_wk: where do you see Juhl mentioned?? [01:07] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:07] in the freenodeslack.blogspot.com link in the topic [01:07] on older posts [01:08] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [01:09] Interesting. I talked with him via email probably 6-8 months ago, and eh appears on LKML occasionally, but I've not seen him elsehwere in years [01:10] I was also trying to build bitlbee with SBopkg, but this is what happens:http://pastebin.com/itf6rsK3 [01:11] I use bitlbee [01:11] dchmelik: looks like you've got the multilib stuff installed [01:11] yeah, I do [01:11] Seen this: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64 [01:12] I'm not a Linux hipster that thinks it's cool to compile shit I don't need and delete it after a few hours. [01:12] Inconis (~To@218.65.47.71) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:15] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:17] rworkman and/or BP{k} : How (if I may ask) do you verify SlackBuilds ? [01:18] would that be better asked at LQ ? [01:19] they run them on virtual machines [01:19] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:19] sortremord (~morgoth@187.52.22.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:20] ok [01:20] They waterboard them [01:20] haha :P [01:21] I just stare at them until they verify themselves. [01:21] nice :) [01:21] rworkman: I have noticed that involving some kind of alcohol seems to speed up the process [01:21] Seriously, I use virtual machines in VBox. [01:21] BP{k}: yes indeed. [01:21] i would have guessed as much [01:22] I'm quite behind on SBo work, but the reasons will be much clearer soon. [01:22] i tried qemu, but you can't (afaik) automatically start it in a clean stat [01:22] *state [01:22] Unfortunately, it did not involve a threesome with my wife and Elisha Dushku. [01:22] lol [01:22] rworkman: there's always next year? ;) [01:23] good call on Dushku, underrated [01:23] Hope springs eternal. [01:23] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:23] "You think this is hard? Try being waterboarded. Now that's hard." [01:23] learn something new every day :) [01:23] Elisha Dushku! [01:23] Whee! [01:24] Motoko-chan: that sounds like something from http://twitter.com/shitmydadsays [01:24] rworkman, it's from Glee. [01:24] that's the best twitter page in existance. [01:24] http://www.fox.com/glee/ [01:24] fire|bird, that is an awesome feed. [01:24] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:24] Motoko-chan: It sure is, I follow it via rss feed. [01:25] Motoko-chan: oh, probably from Sue, right? :) [01:25] Yep. [01:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGtRO9MpGGo [01:25] Video is related. [01:26] Sue is awesome. [01:26] She's one of the reasons to watch the show. 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[02:11] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-8-148.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [02:16] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [02:20] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-209-38.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:22] Kaapa (~Something@bl5-180-224.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:22] Action: dchmelik is trying to connect to bitlbee, but localhost:6667 is refusing connections [02:28] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:28] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [02:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:30] Hey guys, it's me again. This time I'm trying to install this http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-multiboot-usb , but I don;t have a windows machine and I cant seem to find a wine binary for 64 bit hardware. Am I missing the option of doing this from a linux machine? [02:31] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-211-1.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:32] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:34] frenzylivecd (~frenzy@189.104.136.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:35] G_r_a_n_t (~Grant@123-2-77-8.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:35] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:36] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30CE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:36] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-428091.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:36] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::c0ca) joined ##slackware. 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[02:51] HellDragon_ (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:52] lesser (~nasofe@117.136.14.14) joined ##slackware. [02:58] StonedSlacker: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2-download.en.html [02:58] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-97.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] That's the same thing? [02:59] grub2 supports booting iso's [03:00] yes [03:01] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [03:02] So I just put grub2 on the thumbdrive along with my iso and reboot? I am very new to this type of thing [03:04] yes, basically [03:05] part of the trick (for you) would be building grub2 or finding a trustworthy package on the 'net [03:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:05] there are other ways of booting multiple distros, however. [03:05] ugh, Unfortunatly I'm in a hurry and Ive burned a couple hours already with absolutly nothing to show for it. [03:06] lesser (~nasofe@117.136.14.14) left irc: Quit: Bye [03:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:06] but the multiple iso option (assuming you get grub2 built) is pretty flexible [03:06] I just need to be A distro, I dont care which one. I have a netbook with no cdrom and I need to install some manner of linux on it [03:06] ahh [03:06] there might be an image to dd to the drive [03:07] for a netbook, (i hate to say it) you might want to start with something silly like ubuntu netbook remix [03:08] StonedSlacker, get unetbootin [03:08] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.223.156) joined ##slackware. [03:09] oobe: That looks promising, lemme check this out,m thanks [03:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR/Installation/Easy is one way [03:09] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [03:09] but yeah, i don't know the netbook distros too well [03:10] any is going to be out of the box customized better for a netbook [03:11] liberion (~liberion@24.100.101.185) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:12] hey guys how do i use wget for a website and not recieve html data ? [03:12] StonedSlacker: From that page I linked, the "harder" commandline way is pretty easy (ie, less hassle than installing yet another program) [03:13] StonedSlacker, i use that to make a bootable usb key for cdrom less installs [03:13] liberion: do you want to see rendered html ? or headers ? [03:13] i just want the files no html or headers [03:14] liberion: what files ? websites are usually html, and all websites send headers [03:14] i remember theres a way to do it but i forgot [03:14] nasofe (~nasofe@117.136.14.14) joined ##slackware. [03:14] non html files ? [03:14] I must be an idot because I'm on the ubootin downloads page and I do not see the download link. I see links to isos it will install but not to the actual unetbootin app. Here's the page I'm looking at http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [03:14] trhodes: I dont see anything about a hard way on the grub page you linked. [03:14] trhodes, yes just the data files from the website [03:14] whoops, the ubuntu netbook remix page [03:14] html files are pretty small i would just use wget -rc then rm site.com/*.html [03:15] nasofe (nasofe@117.136.14.14) left ##slackware. [03:15] oobe, does that eliminate html files? [03:15] oobe 's idea sounds good [03:15] -rL [03:15] wget -rL [03:16] I see the big huge download for linux now [03:16] PathagenX, thanks [03:16] Try yoper linux [03:16] I have been staring and reading and about to pull my hair out, I'm almost to my breaking point with this [03:17] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] aw man, you're making it too hard :) [03:17] PathagenX, no i dont want any html files [03:18] just the data no website info [03:18] wget needs to read the html files anyway, if it's grabbing images or other content [03:18] liberion: The html file is what other files are linked to, Unless you know exact file name (usually hotlinking will fail) you need the index. [03:19] For instance, there is an mp3 file that I want but the server will not let me [03:19] true story bro [03:20] PathagenX, ok i just want to download everything from the base dir ,not anything else how would i do thatr? [03:20] You generally can't, unless listing is allowed. [03:20] Well, I downloaded unetbootin, chmod +x'ed it and then ./unetbootin-linux-408 and it did not error out, it just did nothing. I did everything the website said to do. [03:20] Even then, there is usually an index.htm/l that is created to link the directory [03:20] ie. download.zenwalk.org/source/xap/xfce-apps [03:20] just the data in xfce-apps [03:21] oh [03:21] _slackin_ (~slackin@97.103.45.124) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:21] StonedSlacker: can you run file ./unetbootin-linux-408 ? [03:21] hah use svn [03:21] go to the xfce chan and ask for the svn of xfce-goodies [03:21] _slackin_ (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:21] unetbootin-linux-408: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, stripped [03:21] StonedSlacker: did you download an iso ? [03:21] I have a 64bit system [03:21] ok, good [03:21] err wait, sorry [03:22] I have an iso I'd like to use [03:22] PathagenX, no i want it from the directory ive mentioned [03:22] i'm trying to see the instructions... been distracted [03:22] their chan will be #xfce or #xfce4 [03:22] liberion: ... Can you access the diectory without a page? [03:22] in your browser? [03:23] i dont know [03:23] so how does wget or anything? [03:23] go to xfce, tell them what they want and they will tell you the svn that you should checkout [03:23] PathagenX, what about rsync ? [03:23] StonedSlacker: did you actually try ./unetbootin-linux-408 ? [03:23] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [03:23] *you want [03:24] StonedSlacker: i mean, lierally just run it ? [03:24] svn will do what you want [03:24] trhodes: Yessir, it did nothing. No errors no nothing, just a new line. [03:24] you system should still have 32bit libs [03:24] You can't just say "I want everything in the base directory of google.com and expect success [03:24] PathagenX, ok do u have an example ? [03:24] if it doesnt look for a 64bit version [03:25] you don't even know where your directory is!! [03:25] else there are other programs that do the same thing [03:25] liberion : ASK IN XFCE! [03:25] PathagenX, yes i do [03:25] liberion: that's like calling everyong in the phone book without the book in the first place [03:25] *one [03:26] liberion: What do you want and where do you want it from? [03:26] StonedSlacker: what does ./unetbootin-linux-408 ; echo $? say? [03:26] PathagenX, thanks ive figure it out [03:26] Mark this day. [03:26] 127 [03:26] Proof that there is a god. [03:26] StonedSlacker, http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/408/unetbootin-source-408.tar.gz/download there is the source package you can build it [03:26] StonedSlacker: ahh, there was an error [03:27] PathagenX, not wget -r download.zenwalk.org/source/xap/xfce-apps [03:27] but wget download.zenwalk.org/source/xap/xfce-apps -r [03:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR/Installation/Easy has an .img file, just waiting to be dd'ed to your USB stick :) [03:27] I'll brb [03:28] my bad [03:28] Have a good day [03:28] PathagenX: Your bad ?? [03:28] :P [03:30] Mmmm [03:30] I'm Soooo bad. [03:30] haha [03:30] lol Xfce is such a pointless project. [03:30] StonedSlacker does this a lot -- asks for help and then brb's :P [03:31] robby would disagree with you there :) [03:31] calory free Gnome re-inactment that is about as weighted... [03:31] yeah, gtk is... odd [03:31] for me, it does start faster than KDE [03:32] but i just can't really use it all that much [03:32] How long (do you think) until LXDE goes the same way? [03:32] i don't know :/ i don't pay much attention [03:32] Obviously so, if you missed Xfce turning into gnome Jr [03:33] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-97.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:34] The only thing that Xfce has going for it now is the fact that it is not KDE4 and even KDE3 is in that niche. [03:34] trhodes: I resemble that remark [03:34] haha , you always come back :) [03:34] Yes I do :) [03:34] i am trying to compile from SlackBuilds the compiz and i am stuck at compizconfig-python http://pastebin.org/99312 i do have libcompiz installed [03:35] Azeotrope: You need compizpython [03:35] I guess I'm just google install*linux from usb thumb drive and do which ever I can get to work because I have to have this done in the next few hours [03:35] Action: trhodes wonders how StonedSlacker could dd with a loopback mount or somesuch trick [03:35] Slackbuilds... Sigh... When will they learn? [03:36] StonedSlacker: Use Puppy Linux. /problem. [03:36] PathagenX: and where do i find it? is not on SlackBuilds.. [03:36] Next! [03:36] I'm dd illiterate [03:36] liberion (~liberion@24.100.101.185) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:36] Azeotrope: Have you tried Google? [03:36] I'm willing to try the pup [03:37] and again: /problem [03:37] NEXT! [03:37] PathagenX: yea [03:37] PathagenX: there's only compizconfig-pyrhon [03:38] Azeotrope No package 'libcompizconfig' found [03:38] read the error [03:38] PathagenX: i do have libcompizconfig installed [03:38] obviously no headers [03:39] StonedSlacker, download the source package http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/408/unetbootin-source-408.tar.gz/download then build it yourself [03:39] If you want to avoid this problem in the future, Stop using slackbuild scripts [03:39] and how do i install software [03:39] i'm kinda noob [03:39] packages are good [03:39] So is source code with documentation [03:40] oobe: Does it matter than I have a 64bit machine? [03:40] PathagenX: ???? [03:40] StonedSlacker, no that is the point [03:40] pprkut: !!!! [03:40] werd, lemme do that [03:40] the binary you downloaded it 32 bit [03:40] brb :) [03:40] PathagenX: stop using SlackBuilds? Seriously? [03:40] if you build it yourself you will have a 64bit version [03:40] pprkut: Yeap [03:40] why? [03:41] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] Unreliable, uninforming, obnoxious and unsafe. [03:41] ! [03:41] ah, ok, troll.... [03:41] StonedSlacker, just edit build-nostatic so qmake-qt4 is just qmake [03:42] pprkut: Oh sorry. I forgot the rule that dictates that anyone that isn't agreeing with you is a troll. [03:42] Azeotrope: don't listen to trolls! SlackBuilds are neither unsafe nor uninforming nor unreliable, .... [03:42] PathagenX: what makes you think that SlackBuilds are bad? [03:42] StonedSlacker: what oobe is telling you will get you any iso you want onto a usb stick [03:42] err, on a bootable USB drive, that is [03:43] Azeotrope: : If you are pressed for time, find a prebuilt binary, otherwise I strongly recommend going through the trials of compiling yourself, so that you learn something in the proccess. [03:43] pupiteee (~p@79.101.129.162) joined ##slackware. [03:43] I am aware of the irony in my statement [03:45] Slackbuild was created by a pussy that was never suited to Slackware in the first place. [03:45] like Pat? [03:45] hmm [03:45] are you talking slackbuilds in general or a specific slackbuild? [03:45] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:45] slackbuilds in general may get you more feedback than you may want [03:45] i think he means slackbuilds in general [03:46] cause he thinks that ppl should build there own binaries from source without any help [03:46] even if they already know how and just want to save time [03:46] and have packages to maintain [03:46] Softlanding for life. [03:48] If they are maintaining a package and want to save time, then I would expect that they would have created their own compile scripts to streamline the proccess. [03:48] like SlackBuilds? [03:49] and if saving time was so important, then they should be sticking with the stable, instead of cludging repos with nightly builds. [03:49] saving time has nothing to do with using stable software [03:49] he's drunk [03:49] oobe: 7z not found install the "p7zip-full" package or your distribution's equivalent., wtf is that? [03:50] So none of you compile your own anymore? [03:50] sure I do [03:50] then fuck slackbuilds. [03:50] /join ##slackware-offtopic [03:50] this IS on topic [03:51] compile your own software != slackbuilds are crap [03:51] sorry - pebkac [03:51] StonedSlacker: 7z is a compression program... you don't have it [03:51] Well if slackbuilds came with better documentation, they would be acceptable. [03:51] well, as said earlier.....troll [03:51] trhodes: You are why I brb :P [03:51] StonedSlacker, you may need to install several build deps [03:52] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] PathagenX: actually, there's a whole website dedicated to slackbuilds [03:52] It built fine [03:52] hi all [03:52] That happened when I ran it [03:52] StonedSlacker, if that is too hard find an equivalent program [03:52] But they fill no niche. The user learns nothing and they don't make the goal any faster to achieve. [03:52] someone can help me to make my slack multilib? [03:52] like rpm's? or deb's? [03:52] alisonken1home: : I mean the scripts themselves [03:52] StonedSlacker: there is an .img file you can download on one of the links I sent you [03:52] I dont know what the equivilant would be. Lemme see if I can find the exact thing it wants.....brb [03:53] PathagenX: SlackBuilds are to Slackware packages what spec files are for rpm [03:53] alisonken1home: : That would be the quick niche. [03:53] not quite [03:53] StonedSlacker: seriously look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR/Installation/Easy if all you want is a bootable usb drive [03:53] WildWizard (~WildWizar@ppp118-208-52-91.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] mind on the other hand there is src2pkg, which makes slackbuilds an often better choice. [03:54] someone can help me to make my slack multilib? [03:55] :| [03:55] d3m0n3: google "Slackware multilib" - first hit [03:55] check alienBOB's multilib notes [03:55] d3m0n3: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [03:56] thx [03:56] trhodes: you are way too nice :P [03:56] yeah, damn [03:56] :) [03:57] Now those instructions talk about a .img, is iso just as good? The link on that page to the 'img' is broken. [03:58] the .img just literally gets copied to your thumb drive [03:58] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:58] Action: trhodes goes to help StonedSlacker find an .img [03:59] So, I should be able to use any ubuntu flavored iso and it should work, right? [03:59] err, iso's are meant to be written to CD or need a smarter bootloader than LILO to boot your machine [03:59] ah, gotcha [04:00] .iso's can be written to devices with the unetbootin thing [04:00] the .img is an intermediate step, dd copies it to a device [04:01] ( in your case, a USB drive ) [04:01] I will be going back to the unetbootin thing later but right now I must have something working asap, this really getting critical [04:01] ok, this will work [04:02] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] StonedSlacker: are you looking for an .img file ? [04:02] With no luck, yes [04:03] ok, me too, but something will turn up [04:04] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:04] It says I can use an iso, so I'm set, I think [04:04] err, what says that ? [04:06] Good question [04:07] damn! ubuntu sure makes it hard to find an .img file [04:07] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [04:08] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Doesnt matter because the program it is using, usb-creator, appears to be made for windows also. SHIT! [04:08] linux --> install and run usb creator [04:09] yes, skip that step and find an .img to write to your usb drive [04:09] with dd [04:09] I'm about to just boot my 32bit machine with a live cd in it and create the shit and be done. [04:09] hmm :/ [04:09] okay, tr, I'll keep looking [04:10] i'm helpin :) i used to have an .img file laying around somewhere [04:10] i probably ought to look at osuosl or similar for .img links [04:10] ugh! Found it [04:11] http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ [04:11] yesss [04:11] 947 megs, ouch [04:12] yup, dang! [04:13] the other hard part you might have is knowing exactly what the USB drive is; you need to be careful with the dd command [04:13] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:13] sdc, I have mounted and unmounted that damn thing 358 times in last 4 hours [04:13] haha ok, good [04:14] I dont have to be carefule though because my main hdd is a 1TB sata that is at sda [04:14] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Quit: :) [04:14] Do* have to be careful [04:15] ok :) [04:15] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [04:15] you have the d/l going and don't care what's on the USB drive ? [04:16] I got a copy of Os X the other day and was crushed to find out that I could not virtualbox it, what the hell is that all about? [04:16] hmm, EFI troubles [04:16] probably [04:16] That blows [04:16] EFI as opposed to BIOS (i duno much about it myself) [04:16] I was looking forward to having a virtual mac. [04:17] psystar fixed it however [04:17] If we are just a happening, a coincidental amalgam of base elements, then why is it so hard to just kill ourselves and be done with it? [04:17] I love the idea of EFI [04:17] What is this perpetual drive of being, when we serve as nothing? [04:17] If I am thinking of what I think Im thinking of :^) [04:18] PathagenX: hedonism [04:19] Sorry? Never got that deep in that field. [04:19] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:20] i was j/k :) (my crappy attempt at answering the big questions) [04:21] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Changing host [04:21] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [04:22] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-214-165.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:22] StonedSlacker: have you looked at what "Ubuntu --> Command Line Interface" tells you to do here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles ? [04:24] Am I looking for something in particular? [04:25] those 6 steps are what you're going to do when your download completes. [04:25] they even reiterate the same warning about dd [04:26] you can practice with non img files if you want to (oh, the excitement ! :P) [04:26] I think I'm gonna screw it up just to spite myself [04:26] eh ? how so ? [04:27] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [04:27] I dunno, maybe do sda instead of c [04:27] StonedSlacker: as an aside, what slack are you running ? [04:27] 13 [04:27] cool. [04:28] default UID 1000 :) [04:28] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:28] Funny, I cant get my sound working either and about a month ago I was running slackware current and everything worked. [04:28] pupiteee (~p@79.101.129.162) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:28] I'm running -current and don't have any issues [04:29] sound's not too awful bad to troubleshoot [04:29] StonedSlacker: you're in the US, right? (ie, it's late) [04:29] Well according to the system sound works great but there is no air being vibrated from my speakers cones [04:29] It's 4:28 am [04:30] ahh EST [04:30] StonedSlacker, this should work http://www.insidiousramblings.com/files/unetbootin.tar.bz2 [04:30] oobe, nice [04:30] i built it statically and it is for 64 bit systemts [04:30] he's already got a .img download goin (methinks) [04:30] but sounds like he'll want it [04:30] 74% finished [04:31] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:31] I'll still take the unetbootin thingamajig, this prolly wont be my last usb creation since I compulsively switch distros [04:31] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [04:32] damn... I'm tryin' to think of how to explain to StonedSlacker the difference between iso's and img's.. but I can't come up with anything clever. [04:32] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:32] StonedSlacker: do you (sort of, at least) get it ? [04:33] I do, sorta [04:33] ok good [04:34] iso is also a filesystem for CD's, and most bootloaders can't read that filesystem [04:34] grub2 can [04:34] shit, should he have just mount -o loop 'ed his .iso ?? [04:34] They are the same thing just one, the iso, is structured differently because it's a type of file system. That's my thoughts anyway [04:34] indeed [04:35] I already have it -o looped because I was browsing it. You mean to tell me I coulda dd'ed like that? [04:35] if there's a .img in $YOUR_ISO_IMAGE/boot/vmlinuz.img that might work [04:36] just " cd $YOUR_ISO_IMAGE ; find . -type f -name '*.img' " [04:36] After this night I need my gorlfriend to come rub her chesticles on my face. [04:36] haha :) [04:37] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-221-154.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] She plays softball for UNC wonder if you guys can look at the team photos and guess which mean bitch is mine [04:38] ok, img done. Brb [04:38] chesticles made me think of windowlicker *shudder* [04:39] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:41] StonedSlacker: don't forget to get oobe's tarball [04:42] My girl has very nice chesticles and nice plump rump. I started dating black girls about 6 years ago and never looked back untill I met my current, she is built just right [04:42] haha ;) [04:42] trhodes: That just sounds wrong [04:43] it is, google it and you might regret it [04:43] I have oobe's tarball [04:43] Time to see if our creation boots [04:44] i found an old eeebuntu download here, sure enough, no .img files :( [04:45] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-154.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:46] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:48] wtf are you doing with *buntu and img files? [04:48] err, i think .bin [04:49] anyway, he was installing onto a netbook [04:49] downloaded a .img [04:50] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:50] anyone use xchat and have to go to a channel with a password? For some reason it does not seem to work.... [04:50] StonedSlacker: ? [04:50] oobe's virus made me reboot [04:51] On a brighter note, the usb stick is working [04:51] good. [04:52] If I actually get this done before the sun comes up I might drink a beer or 12 [04:52] first time i ever seen someone get support for installing ubuntu in ##slackware :P [04:53] I'm actually shocked lol [04:53] haha, well it was done offa slack :) [04:53] Slackers are the most hardcore of the hardcores [04:53] Also it isnt for me [04:53] really ? [04:54] ubuntu is too complicated IMO [04:54] really what? It isnt for me? [04:54] well, you learn a few skills if you stick with it [04:54] that is all. [04:55] I used ubuntu for a year or so. I got quite spoiled with pat-get [04:55] apt-get even [04:55] can't find package even [04:55] apt-get kept me from learning basics like software packaging :/ but I used it anyways [04:56] well, "basics" for one person may be tedious for another [04:56] I started with slackware [04:56] but I like being (mostly) self sufficient [04:56] tried red hat and ubuntu and found I much prefered slackbuilds and slackware [04:57] I've only been using slack since '07 [04:57] I started with slackware too, I always come back to it. [04:57] i stopped using ubuntu recently only reason is they started using upstartd to replace init scripts [04:57] well that was the last straw [04:58] well, you can use it as a learning tool; keep a spare computer to tinker with if you like that kinda stuff [04:58] oobe: weird, i been thinkin about rolling my own init (mostly for the hell of it) [04:58] Believe it or not I have been using linux exclusively for over ten years. It seems like I'd be better at it by now lol [04:58] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-149-68.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [04:59] i haven't been linux exclusive that long, but I've kept some form of linux around or another for about as long [04:59] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@193.92.219.249.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:00] i used caldera openlinux once 8) [05:00] I have never been able to afford windows [05:00] nvision (~nvision@g225058075.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [05:00] me neither :) [05:01] buying slack{, stuff} is cheaper than windows [05:02] hmh. If you can afford a computer, then no doubt you can afford windows? :P [05:02] ChArLoK_16 (1000@188.247.2.220) joined ##slackware. [05:02] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.223.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:02] ChArLoK_16 (1000@188.247.2.220) left irc: Quit: ChArLoK_16 [05:02] okay, maybe not if you've only ever afforded old, used computer ;) [05:02] ugh, the windows tax sucks [05:02] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-221-154.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:03] seems like the only computers I seem to get are ms castoff computers :) [05:04] BugZee (1000@188.247.2.220) joined ##slackware. [05:06] can someone help me with a thunderbird not running problem on current? [05:06] the problem is, i have no idea where to look for errors [05:07] open a terminal - type 'thunderbird' and see what errors pop up in the console [05:07] BugZee (1000@188.247.2.220) left ##slackware. [05:07] none [05:07] thunderbird just doesn't show up [05:07] ps ax | grep thunderbird [05:07] ps shows that it's not running [05:07] thunderbird ; echo $? [05:07] same deal though [05:08] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [05:09] does thunderbird use ~/.mozilla ? just move it to ~/.mozilla.bak and then try again [05:09] what does the echo $? show? [05:09] last exit code [05:09] and what was the code? [05:09] trhodes, sounds like a good project you would learn a lot [05:09] aight guys, I'm gonna go and try to finish this up before I fall asleep. Thanks for all the help! I'm sure you'll see me again in the very near future [05:10] oobe: yeah, it would be "educational" [05:10] -bash: ?: command not found [05:10] wow i have heard of caldera in years [05:10] no, my bad [05:10] StonedSlacker: You're welcome. [05:10] it shows 1 [05:10] zux1wrk: nevermind the exit code thingy [05:10] i got a caldera cd set and book from a discount store in 03 when i first started using linuz [05:10] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:11] oobe: yeah, that's similar to how I got mine; used book store had several distros and a book (and it was all old when I got it / RH 5.0 days) [05:11] mv .thunderbird .thunderbird.bak [05:11] seems to help [05:11] zux1wrk: that's where your problem is [05:12] maybe a profile problem [05:12] have you had a nasty crash lately ? [05:12] usr_local (~usr_local@c-24-98-137-201.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] nop, not don't remember a crash [05:12] hmm [05:12] i'll have to figure out how to restore my accounts ;( [05:12] zux1wrk: maybe not [05:13] this error started when i made a mistake trying to update current [05:13] what mistake was that ? [05:13] did you go to runlevel 3 before upgrading? [05:13] i accidently updated to 13.0 and then back to current [05:13] i was in runlevel 1 when i upgraded [05:14] then i saw an older kernel being installed [05:14] and understood where was the problem :) [05:15] zux1wrk: is thunderbird the only borked thing you're found so far ? [05:15] yep [05:15] everything else seems to work [05:16] i do know that was a very dumb mistake for me to do :) [05:17] hmm, trhodes only makes smart mistakes :P [05:17] (j/k about that !) [05:18] well i am running current on this laptop, and that does mean that i am prepared for failures and broken stuff.... [05:18] zux1wrk: did you have emails saved under .thunderbird/ that you want ? [05:18] yeah, but they where all imap accounts [05:18] good [05:19] i am only crying that i will have to remember those settings for those accounts [05:19] so it's basically just imap authentication data ? [05:19] ok [05:19] the mails do sit on the servers anyway [05:19] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-22.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] crap, afaik, that data ain't easy to get at [05:20] i'll try to copy just the .thunderbird/***.default back and see if it works... [05:21] prefs.js might be worth looking at [05:21] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [05:21] it's not like i can't get all the data, on 3 of the accounts i can change my own password if i won't remember [05:21] (under .default/) [05:22] usr_local (~usr_local@c-24-98-137-201.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: blah [05:30] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [05:31] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [05:33] Inconis (~To@218.87.155.72) joined ##slackware. [05:34] looks like i'll just have to set everthing up again [05:34] hmm:/ [05:34] you know the passwords ? [05:35] i think so, or i'll try [05:35] i was googling a little as to whether they're retrievable or not [05:35] i a fail, i'll have them changed [05:35] strangely the import tool won't give me a chance to import my mail.. :( [05:36] from the old directory ? [05:36] might be IMAP magic [05:37] no, i wanted to import the allready downloaded mail from the old folder [05:37] becouse [05:37] the downloading will take much time [05:38] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [05:38] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:38] find .thunderbird.bak/ -name 'INBOX' [05:38] they're all in the INBOX files (at least in my version) [05:39] but that's not too helpful, i know :( there might be some other tool to reformat all that data [05:40] it might even be an mbox-like format [05:40] i think i'll use webmail for now and just leave them to download at night [05:40] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-amfcetjqimazwszh) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:47] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:48] hanmona (~chatzilla@117.99.6.52) joined ##slackware. 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[07:08] http://www.isthesingularityhereyet.com/ [07:08] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:09] i looked at the source and now iw ant to break the sha1 hash there :( [07:10] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:12] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::c0ca) left irc: [07:12] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [07:13] nvision (~nvision@g225058075.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:16] toastytoast: good luck =) [07:18] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:19] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Quit: C-x C-c [07:20] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:21] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Saindo [07:21] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::c0ca) joined ##slackware. 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[07:54] zux1wrk, yes [07:55] good morning sirs [07:55] morning [07:56] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:58] dive, does vim work well with utf8 enabled? [07:58] fine [07:58] last time i tried vim acted "strangely" [07:58] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:59] how so? [08:00] it was on the first slackware that included that option in the installer [08:01] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:01] and vim showed all the characters wrong [08:01] so you had uft8 in lilo but did you adjust locale and do unicode_start? [08:01] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [08:02] and use a proper font [08:02] don't remember exactly [08:03] have a look at this: http://slackwiki.org/Utf-8_linux_console [08:03] ok, thanks [08:04] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:05] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:05] dive, edit the file : /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [08:06] and add uft8 [08:07] farhat, why are you teling me this? I have done that long ago. It's zux1wrk that want's to know. [08:07] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.176) left irc: Quit: t0f [08:08] I have hda drive and sda drive , and my slackware linux in sda1 , also MBR in sda , but lilo command tel me : Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed , what i can do ? [08:08] dirty, sorry :) [08:09] farhat, add 'lba32' to the global settings in lilo.conf [08:09] up the top (and without the quotes) [08:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-428091.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:09] wow someone refunded me 3.5 euros from the money i had sent him cause shipping was cheaper. and they went stright to my bank account. must be my lucky day [08:09] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:10] dive, how do that in lilo ? I need a syntex [08:10] farhat, edit /etc/lilo.conf [08:10] just add lba32 in a line on its own [08:10] dive, and ... [08:10] oooh , it is easy :) [08:10] somewhere on the top of the file [08:11] now run lilo [08:11] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:12] i will reboot , bey now :) thanx all [08:12] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [08:12] farhat (~farhat@41.99.104.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:14] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:14] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:26] which version of slackware are you running and what's your partitioning setup? [08:26] alisonken1noc, slack 13 , root (/) in sda1 [08:27] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [08:27] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:27] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [08:27] farhat: what about the rest of the partitioning? [08:27] alisonken1noc, I am install slack 13 with out hda [08:28] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:28] alisonken1noc, after install add hda [08:29] hda is usually a CDROM AFAICT [08:30] where is windows installed? [08:30] depends on the setup - hda is typically first hard drive an cdrom is usually hdc or hdd [08:30] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [08:30] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [08:30] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:30] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [08:31] alisonken1noc, hda1 vfat (win) , hda5 vfat (data) | sda 1 riserfs (/) , sda2 ext4 (home) , sda3 swap , and my lilo in sda , and windows MBR in hda [08:32] and my dvd-rw hdd [08:32] what else ? [08:33] eradicus (eradicus@unaffiliated/eradicus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:33] do you have both sata and ide in your computer? [08:33] i'm not sure, but i think you should use other=/dev/hda if the windows loader is on the MBR [08:34] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:34] alisonken1noc, I have stata and IDE , yes [08:35] sata* [08:35] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:35] try zux1wrk idea and use hda rather than hda1 for the windows partition [08:35] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:36] after editing lilo.conf, rerun lilo and try again [08:36] m thanx , i will try [08:36] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:36] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:36] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [08:36] I know , must lilo command after edit :) [08:38] farhat (~farhat@41.99.104.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:40] bleh...my system is acting up [08:40] give it a good scolding [08:40] or maybe it is just firefox [08:41] pupiteee (~p@79.101.129.162) joined ##slackware. [08:41] the menubar takes like 5 seconds to pop up a dropdown [08:41] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [08:41] and even longer if i click one and hover the mouse over the one beside it...but the rest of the ui responds fine [08:43] farhat (~farhat@41.99.104.54) joined ##slackware. [08:45] whats the flag in tune2fs to mark an ext4 partition as experimental so a 12.2 install can mount it using ext4dev? [08:45] i think its -t something [08:45] alisonken1noc, zux1wrk , wen I select windows out "9A 9A 9A 9A 9A 9A" for me [08:45] spook: I'm not sure both will be compatible actually [08:46] Camarade_Tux: have done it before. worked fine. [08:46] ah, ok [08:46] nasofe (~nasofe@174.36.171.233-static.reverse.softlayer.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:46] farhat, ow was the windows installed? [08:46] however it was so long ago cant remember the exact parameters [08:46] thought compatibility had been broken between both [08:46] found it. -E testfs [08:46] test_fs rather [08:46] zux1wrk, yes , I can run windows wan I boot with hda hard by bios [08:48] farhat, it should be other =/dev/hda1 [08:48] do you disable the sata disk at all, or only select the IDE as boot device [08:48] and table = /dev/hda [08:48] your table line is commented out ... [08:48] i have not had a multi boot system for a long time (lucky me) [08:49] zux1wrk, I select sata hard boot devise [08:49] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:49] farhat, uncomment # table = [08:49] didF't notice the table was commented, try that [08:49] and change other back to hda1 [08:49] dive, I do what , before [08:50] delete the # from table [08:50] and use [08:50] other = /dev/hda1 [08:50] dive, yes , remove # [08:51] pastebin new lilo.conf [08:51] dive, and edit "other = /dev/hda1" [08:51] yes [08:51] now try it [08:51] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:52] dirty, http://pastebin.com/niHges1K [08:52] ok [08:53] run lilo and see if it works [08:53] dirty, http://pastebin.com/KsdCfVT4 [08:54] good [08:55] I make sure windows is run win boot hda hard by BOIS [08:56] freudian slip [08:56] wen* [08:56] exos (~exos@128-163-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-116-148.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [08:58] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-116-148.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:59] dirty, he stop at "loading windows" , you know ? [08:59] hmmm [09:00] and what did you set in bios? [09:01] dive, set bios to start by sata first HD [09:01] ok [09:01] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.249) joined ##slackware. [09:01] dive, in linux setup , I reomve hda [09:01] well I'm not familiar with mixed ide and sata [09:01] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:01] what do you mean 'removed it' [09:02] ? [09:02] dive, I like to make LILO MBR in sda [09:02] but how did you 'remove' hda? [09:03] dive, I mean , hda is not pesent [09:03] in what? [09:03] dive, no power I mean [09:04] no power?! [09:05] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [09:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:05] dive, I mean hda HD Detached [09:06] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [09:06] but it's attached now right? [09:06] dirty, yes ! [09:06] xaviertoor (~xaviertoo@187-072-226-006.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:06] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:07] I think you should backup /etc/lilo.conf and run liloconfig and choose simple install, then have a look at the conf after to see what it has written. [09:07] farhat: try 'boot-as=0x80' in the Windows partition [09:08] dirty, I must add hda patation in fstab ? [09:08] not necesary to boot [09:08] farhat: of lilo.conf [09:09] allend, edit my lilo : http://pastebin.com/niHges1K , plzzz [09:09] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:10] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:10] dive, I will .......wait [09:10] Acquiesce (~sdeed@217.155.34.57) joined ##slackware. [09:11] farhat: done that. I think that Windows is whinging about not being on the first partition of the primary disk drive. [09:11] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] yeah it likes to do that [09:12] among other things [09:12] ive upgrade my slackware sytem but come to a prob the default kernel with slack 13 show my hardrive as hda but when upgraded new kernel it wants to read sda [09:12] i tried editing lilo before reboot but doesnt see sda untill i use new kernel [09:13] i got kernel panic last time i tried it [09:13] any suggestions ? [09:13] Acquiesce, read the notes carefully, during the second update to -current, driver was changed to libata which converted hdX to sdX [09:13] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.23.8) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Acquiesce, http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover [09:14] where abouts are the note alisonken1noc ? [09:14] thanks [09:14] the changelog noted the switch [09:14] Cann0n (~jack@169.139.174.5) joined ##slackware. [09:14] and rlworkman link farhat posted gives some extra info [09:15] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [09:15] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:15] so i just edit fstab and replace sda with hda [09:15] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [09:15] nvision (~nvision@g225058075.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:15] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:16] vice versa [09:17] dive, hhhh , a lost my system last time , becuse I was don't know that [09:17] at moment lilo and fstab show hda ...do i change bot to sda [09:18] Acquiesce, did you read that page? [09:18] both* [09:18] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [09:18] ok ill just edit fstab to sda [09:18] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [09:18] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:18] just change fstab, then reboot and at press tab and type 'linux root=/dev/sda1' or whatever your partition is [09:18] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [09:18] ok thank [09:18] s [09:18] then after booting edit lilo.conf and run lilo [09:19] ok will do ty [09:19] Acquiesce (~sdeed@217.155.34.57) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:19] dive, my problem is here :( [09:19] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.249) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:20] farhat, can you pastebin the output from 'fdisk -l' [09:20] dive, ok [09:21] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:22] dive, http://pastebin.com/hZwyzySM [09:23] hmm [09:23] did you try putting that line in that allend suggested? [09:24] boot-as=0x80 [09:24] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:24] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) joined ##slackware. [09:25] dive, no [09:25] dive, in lilo ? and ware ? [09:25] under 'other = /dev/hda1' [09:25] well anywhere in the windows part [09:26] dive, i will [09:26] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:27] dive, reboot , and try [09:27] will back [09:27] did you run lilo? [09:27] yes [09:27] farhat (~farhat@41.99.104.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:30] newton (1001@m83-188-20-220.cust.tele2.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:31] farhat (~farhat@41.99.104.54) joined ##slackware. [09:32] thanx dive and thanx allend [09:32] it work [09:32] farhat: glad you got it! [09:32] :) [09:32] but , what mean boot-as=0x80 ? [09:32] i love a happy ending [09:33] man lilo.conf [09:33] whats a good reliable filesystem that can handle large files in a reliable way? [09:34] how large [09:34] allend, yes , what mean ? [09:34] dive, ware r you , I love you ;) [09:35] I am hiding from you [09:35] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:35] dive, ahahah , what I do for you ? [09:36] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [09:36] bobJR (~bob@unaffiliated/bobjr) left irc: Quit: Visit me in #metalheads4LIFE [09:37] sec0nd, i never had problem with reiserfs, but you can try xfs or ext4 (dont know how reliable this last is) [09:37] farhat: it fools Windows that you have booted from the primary disk drive. [09:37] I am use reiserfs on root system [09:40] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:40] allend, fools hahah , thanx , fools at any ware come [09:41] xfs is good if you have reliable hardware i've had massive silent corruption with it [09:41] it's fast tho ... and it doesn't degrade in performance like ext does and it has a defrag utility [09:41] reiserfs very fast [09:42] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-209.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:42] goarilla (~goarilla@163.243-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Changing host [09:42] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [09:43] farhat, not for big files ... and xfs is not so good in performance for small files like mails or system os files [09:43] ALVAN: you can tweak it tho [09:43] pat use reiserfs [09:43] it used to suck at deletions of files as well [09:43] but a few mkfs options and a few mount options later and those issues are resolved [09:44] goarilla, yes i know but still is not enough [09:44] some people say most of xfs issues have been resolved in recent kernels as well but ... i'm not going to use it anymore [09:44] ho is best file system for performance ? [09:44] i've been beaten hard [09:45] I see reiser4 for performance [09:46] ALVAN, I use reiserfs for / and my home is ext4 [09:46] i try to use ext3 now everywhere [09:46] i use ext4 for / and xfs for /home [09:46] and if you have the cycles i would go for ZFS for mass media devices [09:47] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:48] zenwalk use xfs by def [09:49] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [09:49] is save if , I install zenwalk pkg's in slackware ? [09:49] no [09:49] i have files upwards to 10GB each [09:50] oooh thnx, and I will not be try [09:50] +or more [09:51] XFS would be best if you have reliable hw or don't mind file corruption [09:51] or maybe JFS [09:51] Acquisce (~sfdthj@217.155.34.57) joined ##slackware. [09:52] I love file corruption [09:52] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [09:53] goarilla, i plug out the power cable couple of time even when i had open files to see if xfs is ok ... i never experience xfs corruption [09:53] check it with checksums ? [09:53] yeah md5sum [09:53] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [09:53] i didn't experienced it as well untill i checked the hashes of my movies [09:54] i used it on usb external drives tho [09:54] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:54] where I can find new pkg's tgz and txz for slackware linux , but not rlworkman.net , linuxpackages.net , slacky.eu , and slackbuilds.org ? [09:55] Action: sec0nd reformats xfs to resiserfs [09:55] and sourceforge :) [09:55] farhat, you got that link for me again please [09:55] i used it only in internal hdd ... on external usb drives many can happen [09:56] Acquisce, which link? The libata swtichover? [09:56] no upgrading kernel 0n 13 [09:56] editing fstab and lilo [09:56] Acquisce: try this - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackpokg-upgrade-to-current-786484/ [09:56] if you plug out the usb cable to soon ... you might have corrupted data [09:56] http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover [09:56] thanks for links [09:57] they are always plugged in ALVAN [09:57] Acquisce, way ? [09:57] and i am a conscious syncer [09:57] way ? [09:58] Acquisce, why [09:58] newton (1001@m83-188-20-220.cust.tele2.ru) left ##slackware ("#E>6C"). [09:58] i edited fstab and got kernel panic again [09:58] Hi, i cant write into the thumbdrive any file with ç or accent in the filename, any ideas? [09:58] changed hd to sd [09:58] pupiteee (~p@79.101.129.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:58] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:59] ive just reinstalled and im upgraging kernel now [09:59] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:59] again [09:59] Cann0n (~jack@169.139.174.5) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:59] I'm with the current [09:59] Acquisce, did you press tab at lilo screen and type 'linux root=/dev/sda1'? [10:00] or whichever your root now is [10:00] no i didnt do that :( [10:00] damn [10:00] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:00] All you had to do was written in that link... [10:00] how to save pkg's wish is down by slackpkg ? [10:00] farhat, read 'man slackpkg' especially the 'download' flag [10:01] i write it down so i dont forget this time ...once it's booted i just edit lilo.conf and rerun lilo yeah ? [10:01] yes [10:01] you can even do it from boot cd [10:01] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Quit: Changing server [10:01] you can boot it from 13 cd [10:01] well anyway you are reinstalling so a little late for that [10:02] are you updating to -current or just updating kernel? [10:02] madnex, what partition type the thumbdrive has vfat ? [10:03] well i want to get kernel right ive updated about 3 times now kept making mastake with booting...but ill update all after i get this right [10:03] Do you have any particular reason to upgrade the kernel? [10:03] ALVAN, yes [10:04] not reason just wanted to solve why it wasnt working when i firsted tried full upgrade [10:04] no [10:05] dive, there isnt alot difference with newer kernel ? [10:05] madnex, can you try mount -o remount,nls=utf8 your thumdrive [10:05] well unless you have some hardware that doesn't work and you find out it works with a more recent kernel there is no good reason to upgrade [10:06] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:06] can you download that kernel with slackpkg and install it manually along side default kernel ? [10:06] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:07] it's possible [10:07] but you would need to edit lilo.conf in regard to that [10:07] so you keep entry for old kernel [10:07] ok it's finished ...ive edited fstab to sda* once i get to lilo prompt i type 'linux root=/dev/sda2' yep [10:08] and you would need to installpkg it rather than upgradepkg [10:08] yeah [10:08] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:08] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:09] hopefully brb [10:09] Acquisce (~sfdthj@217.155.34.57) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:09] I can make slack system support rpm's after some modified ? [10:10] why don't you just use an rpm based distribution in the first place? [10:10] no [10:10] farhat: no. you cant. if you did that it would not be slackware. [10:10] farhat, it's not really a good idea [10:11] tmkd__ (user-448@clients.shells.eofnet.lt) joined ##slackware. [10:11] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:12] dive, spook , antiwire , ok , i will make a love with source code [10:12] o_O [10:12] farhat, slackbuilds.org and sbopkg.org [10:12] haha [10:12] allend (~allend@CPE-121-219-45-253.lnse1.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:13] dive , I know sbopkg :) it grate [10:13] ok [10:13] tmkd (user-448@clients.shells.eofnet.lt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:13] konus (~konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:13] will pat put sbopkg at next version from slackware [10:13] ? [10:14] madnex, actually for vfat is mount -o remount,iocharset=utf8 [10:14] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:14] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:14] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.68.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:15] pupiteee (~p@93.86.14.165) joined ##slackware. [10:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.125.1) joined ##slackware. [10:16] konus (~konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) joined ##slackware. [10:16] farhat, unlikely [10:16] and why does it matter when it's easy enough to get hold of [10:16] This helps to Fame Slackware , and slackware back the place [10:17] Pat afaik doesn't even endorse slackbuilds.org, so unlikey to endorse sbopkg [10:18] ALVAN, thanks, :-) [10:18] All that would lead to is a ton more support queries for him to have to deal with [10:18] let's just say Pat isn't _against_ slackbuilds.org - especially since some of his helpers maintain it [10:19] StonedSlacker (~mudd@cpe-024-074-031-106.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:21] StonedSlacker (~mudd@cpe-024-074-031-106.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:21] way , sbopkg or slackbuids is sample or pat not see that ? [10:21] StonedSlacker (~mudd@cpe-024-074-031-106.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:21] farhat: shrug, say what you want, wont change things. [10:22] sbopkg might find its way into /extra someday perhaps [10:22] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: good bye! [10:22] same way as pat is not 'against' pam [10:22] StonedSlacker (~mudd@cpe-024-074-031-106.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] there is no need to include sbopkg in slackware itself, IMHO [10:23] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:23] chess: sure, doesn't mean it wont end up in it sometime in the future [10:24] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:25] brainvision (~brainvisi@host133-58-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:27] hello! [10:27] slack rules.. [10:28] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [10:28] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:29] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-428091.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:29] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:30] how to save all pkg's download by "slackpkg upgrade-all" ? [10:31] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:31] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434084.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:31] farhat: they are saved on /var/slapt-get/ [10:31] brainvision, slapt-get??? [10:31] pos [10:31] sorry , I write the word "way" "way" [10:32] farhat, you need to use download option [10:32] "why"* [10:32] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:32] and it saves in /var/cache/packages/ [10:32] but that is a _lot_ of downloads [10:35] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [10:35] dive, I need download and save all new slackware pkg's , I do slackpkg download but not work [10:36] farhat, doing that with slackpkg would be very laborious [10:36] you are better off with alienBOB's script to mirror the -current tree [10:37] farhat, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [10:38] dive, thanx , I see [10:40] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:43] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:52] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [10:54] v3gard (~v3gard@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [10:56] kop (~kop@c-24-18-172-99.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:56] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [10:57] uhh is this site compatible with slapt-get ? http://swtsrv.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/pub/linux/distributions/slackware-unsupported/gsb/gsb-current/ [10:59] uhh ok I will get here if its not :P [10:59] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [11:01] sorry, alot of us don't use slapt-get, nor gnome [11:03] i would rather get a venereal disease than use gnome [11:03] indeed [11:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:04] I am using gnome on a non-slackware box, hoping it'll get better.. maybe. ugh. I love my fluxbox :/ [11:04] sure you would, sure you would [11:04] It amazes me how these people get hold of slapt-get [11:04] I blame LQ mostly [11:05] raendeer: yuck. guh-nome. what distro are you running? yeah, I love Fluxbox:) [11:07] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [11:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:08] nasofe (~nasofe@117.136.14.14) joined ##slackware. [11:08] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:08] hitest: I put centos on the lab computer.. I'm sure it'll get better as I use it. really. I won't continue to hate it, right? [11:09] maybe ;) [11:10] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:10] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:10] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [11:11] i like the tiling window managers [11:11] Yeah I used ion3 for a while. Might have another go. [11:12] A bit pointless on this 14" 1023 screen though [11:12] thats the one I was using too [11:12] i wound up switching to xmonad [11:12] the ion3 guy is kind of unstable [11:13] yeah I know, I used to hang out in his # [11:13] He's pretty much against foss and started to believe in Windows.. [11:13] normally i like that kind of person [11:14] but it would be frustrating to have the project leader shoot up an office or crash a plane into a mall or something [11:14] never tried xmonad, any good? [11:14] raendeer: CentOS is one of the better gnome distros out there, I've tried it. I can't promise that you will learn to like it tho:) [11:14] yeah it is fantastic [11:14] GooseYArd, or kill someone... *cough* reiser *cough* [11:14] eheh [11:15] xmonad is flexible, although the haskell configuration is a little daunting [11:15] but it works so well that I think it's worth that bit of headache [11:16] I've been using it probably 9 months and I have yet to have it misbehave [11:16] not a crash nor a hang, nothing [11:16] hitest: I've been wondering if it's even worth the trouble [11:17] dive: let me know if you decide to try it, since I was using ion3 as well I can shoot you my config, it doesn't use the default ion3 keys but it has xmobar and dmenu set up, it feels ion3-ish [11:17] sure [11:17] I used their little cheat sheet and it only took me a couple o days to get used to it [11:17] thanks, I'm just firing up sbopkg to search for it [11:18] you'll need ghc also [11:18] xmonad.SlackBuild.build: line 45: runghc: command not found [11:19] aha [11:19] it needs a couple of haskell packages, I think theyre in sbo also [11:19] if not theyre fairly simple to install [11:19] ok [11:20] er.. ghc: Length: 106846535 (102M) [11:20] yah its a whopper [11:20] think I'll give that a pass [11:21] pupiteee (~p@93.86.14.165) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:22] should you try it at some point, ghc is the haskell compiler [11:22] the whole thing is written in it [11:24] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:25] uhh ok how do I tell the slapt-get to install the packages from extras to ? [11:25] uhh modify the path in etc/slapt-get to the url-link/extras right ? [11:25] how are we suppose to know paul424 since we dont support it [11:25] ask in a channel that supports slapt-get [11:25] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:28] anyway slapt-get find the extra packages by himself, paul424 [11:28] omg. The linux foundation released a "free" linux kernel... [11:29] in his defense, I think the GSB folks recommend using slapt-get as the recommended installation [11:29] Yeah they do. [11:29] pprkut, plz2link? [11:30] http://lwn.net/Articles/376566/ [11:31] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:31] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-187-228.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.25) joined ##slackware. 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[11:35] Channel flood from thrice` -- kicking [11:35] :D [11:35] thrice` kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:35] i woner how much of my system would work as well w/outy the non-free firmware as it were [11:36] altho its not rerally linus's fault he is dfoing what he thinks is best whihc in this case is provide as manythings working out of the box as possible [11:36] It would be nice to get hold of a script that could produce a list of all this stuff. [11:36] the best solution really woould be to convince companies to opensource all of there drivers [11:37] but that is unlikly to ahpopen :( [11:37] I would rather be interested in that more than just grabbing a kernel. [11:37] Yeah that won't happen. [11:37] lautriv (~root@f050080251.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:37] But they don't even need to do that - just open the protocols for inspection [11:37] and there aren't enough opensource software "hackers" to reverse enginer free firmware for everyhting [11:38] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [11:38] toastytoast, needs would produce results. If someone uses a device and they have the knowledge they would be interested in getting it to work and releasing it. [11:39] That's the way a lot of things get done. [11:39] anyone tried openldap(slapd) 2.4.17 with openssl-support ? [11:39] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [11:39] well i supose if more of the reverse enginerers start to sue linux-libre then more would be produced [11:40] fandango (~zondo@ip68-101-12-50.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: BitchX: it won't get you laid [11:40] fandango (zondo@ip68-101-12-50.pn.at.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:41] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:42] uhh so it was BitchX error not me getting banned phew ... [11:42] http://www.linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/2.6.33-libre/ [11:42] people still use bitchx ?? [11:42] :D [11:42] C00re : Do you know better client ? mhmm ? [11:43] oh yea, irssi :) [11:43] lautriv (root@f050080251.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [11:43] will have to try it, the best is the logo of BitchX : it won't get you laid :) [11:43] bitchx had some nice features tho [11:44] /fuckem or something [11:44] :D [11:44] (kick everyone, even me) [11:45] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [11:48] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:48] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Greetings [11:48] howdy [11:49] hows things ;) [11:50] hoi The-Croupier [11:50] up up and away [11:50] hey dive, hows things guys ;) [11:50] fine here [11:51] nice to hear that...;) [11:51] you got a minute to have a look at my site? www.ksandro.info ;) i changed it yesterday... (still under development) [11:53] raendeer: yeah. after a bit I gave up on CentOS. it was a nice experiment for a bit. [11:53] kind of hard to read with the small fonts and background colour.. [11:54] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:54] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [11:55] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Client Quit [11:55] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [11:55] seriously? :( shit... :( ok... ill chage those ;) thanks man [11:55] chage/change [11:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:00] The-Croupier, if I hilight text with my mouse it goes black and that is much easier to read [12:00] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-149-236.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:01] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-149-236.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:01] and I think the boxes with the links should be much bigger since they are the main point of the page. [12:02] more catergories perhaps [12:04] more categories is on the go ;) [12:04] the boxes with the links ;) i thought it would make it ugly if they were bigger but i will try ...;) [12:04] thanks mate... really really appreciate it ;) [12:05] well don't make them bigger if they are all just empty space - wait until you get something to fill them with perhaps [12:06] i got more then 20 categories coming up... and at least 15 items in each ;) [12:06] nice [12:07] on the other hand ... i need to generate something like new array [23] blah blah in the script... ;) and [numberchanging only] [12:07] its hard to do by hand so i am looking on shell how to generate stuf like that ...;) learning shell at the same time ;) [12:07] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:07] php [12:10] dive: i dont know stuff like that ;) i find it hard to do something in websites there are so many things that i ike i find it difficult to decide ;) [12:10] well php is well worth learning for web dev [12:10] php, never learnt something like that ;) but i know someone who knows ;) ill see if he can help ;) [12:10] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:11] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [12:11] dive: its just for personal use ;) not professional ;) but i will try after this month is through ;) [12:11] dive: thanks for all the good advice as always ;) [12:11] no problem [12:12] You should come to ##slackware-offtopic sometime for some fun ;-) [12:12] although it's quiet now [12:13] yep just did ;) gota go for a bit though... head is killing me ;) thanks again see you soon ;) [12:13] laters [12:13] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [12:13] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:14] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:14] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [12:19] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:20] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:22] uhh suppose I miss libmysqlclient.so.15, uhh how one check what package contains it ... not using google .. [12:26] this is the problem you run into using slapt-get. on your own d00d [12:26] Nick change: guax -> guaxinim [12:26] same problem you'd run into if you installed whatever software via slackpkg or installpkg [12:26] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [12:26] paul424: check MANIFEST.bz2 from any slackware mirror [12:27] Nick change: _mario -> mario [12:27] maybe (~may_be@196.202.27.173) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434084.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [12:27] peace on you 'D3D'E 9DJCE [12:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434084.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:28] IIRC, slackpkg can do file searches. [12:28] ho use slackware 13 and ho use slackware curent ? [12:28] current [12:28] farhat: 'who' not 'ho' [12:29] ananke, thanx [12:29] Some Slackware users are hos. [12:29] Like straterra. [12:29] who use slackware 13 and who use slackware curent ? [12:29] farhat: what's the purpose of that poll? [12:30] Slackware current is generally the choice of those who want to experiment and don't mind the possibilty of broken software. [12:30] ananke, see the world :) [12:31] actually, I'd say most people (or at least a good chunk of) here are using -current on at least one box but most installations of slackware are not of -current [12:31] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:34] ok I have this package with one library in mind : http://sotirov-bg.net/slackpack/pack.cgi?id=731 . Now I want to have the current and that package installed. Now I saw a instrucition how to do it with --prefix but for source packages. Is there any chance for this one build package ? [12:35] micsch (~micsch@p54A56E73.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] paul424: Why would you want an older version of mysql? Slackware -current comes with 5.1.39. [12:36] hba (~hba@148.208.237.69) joined ##slackware. [12:37] I need it for anjuta :P , its working but it ain't parsing the projects and I suppose thats the problem , cause its asking for that version. [12:37] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-209.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:37] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::549f) joined ##slackware. [12:38] I'd be more likely to suspect a permissions issue, myself. [12:38] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.190) joined ##slackware. [12:39] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [12:39] nik0 (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [12:39] not parsing the projects? parsing is unlikely to use sql, maybe storing but definitely not parsing [12:40] and it'd be surprising mysql broke in that way [12:40] where I can find a clean slackware pkg's, that save on my system ? [12:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] ? [12:42] here's errors http://pastebin.com/gcJrqtJ2 [12:42] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:42] how did you install anjuta? [12:43] My guess is slapt-get [12:43] lp or slacky, or ... [12:43] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [12:43] but yeah, my bet is some binary package [12:43] Nick change: niko -> Guest79188 [12:44] Nick change: nik0 -> niko [12:44] Guest79188 (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Ping timeout: 624 seconds [12:44] paul424, ls /var/log/packages/mysql* [12:45] nasofe (~nasofe@117.136.14.14) left irc: Quit: Bye [12:45] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-149-68.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:46] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.125.126) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Camarade_Tux: uhh I used slapt-get [12:47] dive: high-five! [12:47] Camrade_Tux: gsb 2.28 [12:47] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.23.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:48] paul424: version mismatch: anjuta has not been compiled for this version of mysql, you have to recompile it yourself or get a package that has been compiled against this mysql version [12:48] paul424, why do you want to mess up your slackware? [12:48] paul424, run my command plz [12:49] thrice`: /var/log/packages/mysql-5.1.39-i486-2 I know that's too new version of it alreeedy :P [12:50] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.226.227.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:50] doesn't gsb say "use only slackware 13, -current isn't compatable?" [12:50] usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.15.0.0 <-- slack's mysql pack [12:50] slack 13* [12:51] yeah I see http://www.colestock.com/blogs/2008/02/installing-multiple-versions-of-mysql.html [12:51] just to summarize, you're using slapt-get, to install a veresion of GSB that ISN'T supported on your slackware version. [12:51] aha , I;m so dumb [12:52] uhh one have to choose this days either new gsb or slackware [12:52] nvision (~nvision@g226060114.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:53] paul424: what do you do with anjuta? [12:54] err programing in c++ ,,,, since the kdevelop since to be screwed in beta version [12:54] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Just use vim? [12:54] s/since/used [12:54] slackid (~slackid@125.163.251.150) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:54] should i disable root graphical login [12:55] ? [12:55] usually yes [12:55] cuz unsecure [12:55] paul424: have you tried qtcreator? [12:55] how? [12:55] Disabling root graphical login isn't a security mesaure. [12:56] just prevent from "human errors" alot [12:56] !es [12:56] as well as side-effects of lack of basic principles knowledge [12:56] i never used root graphical [12:56] GooseYArd: uhh it seems to be nice , uhh it ain't beta or something [12:57] thats why "In Soviet Russia - roots willl graphics You !!" (c) [12:57] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:57] I suppose I could fix the mysql error but then everything is currently screwed up which belongs to GNOME on my machine since the compatibilty isssues so better is not to mess with it , right ? [12:58] I figure if someone can get a login environment in your machine as root, they already have enough access to trash your machine, graphical interface or not. [12:58] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:59] NaCl: uhh vim could be but it does not have the makefile auto support or similar which I like when working with many files. [12:59] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-136-43.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [12:59] type make in a terminal? [12:59] eclipse is the obvious choice if you like the pointy clicky type stuff [12:59] Did anyone used KDE 4.4 on Slackware yet? [12:59] NaCL : I would have to learn the make chain tools [13:00] NaCl: in ~/.vimrc: nmap :make^M [13:00] Azeotrope: I :) it works nice althought I had to reinstall the freetype and type1 packages [13:00] (pick a different key than F9 if you like) [13:00] Azeotrope: I do. [13:00] Urchlay: use gvim and switch between terminals [13:00] *I use [13:00] after a make, vim will jump to the file and line number where the first compile err/warning is [13:01] How did u installed it? [13:01] Which can be misleading. [13:01] now would be about the time for an emacs vi argument [13:01] who'd like to start [13:01] Azeotrope: google for Alien builds [13:01] use :cn and :cp to navigate to the next/previous error (or bind those to some easier keystrokes) [13:01] slackid (~slackid@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Urchlay: I learned something today [13:01] hmm? [13:02] Nick change: slackid -> Guest45913 [13:02] nasofe (~nasofe@110.72.196.180) joined ##slackware. [13:02] vim and make and stuff [13:02] I like cmake [13:02] Azeotrope: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/its-been-released-kde-sc-4-4-0/ [13:02] I like :make :-) [13:02] I have, eh, mixed feelings about cmake [13:02] Better-looking than autotools [13:02] I find cmake actually quite complicated [13:02] Action: jkwood runs :butterfly [13:03] jkwood: you just killed my vim with an OOM killer =/ [13:03] I like cmake. Anything's better than scons. [13:03] as in, it looks neat, but it's complex and I don't already know all about it (and whenever I'm forced to learn something new and complex, as opposed to deciding to learn it, I get all irritated) [13:03] cmake also tells you how far along in the build you are [13:03] Camarade_Tux: You must be running vim in emacs, then. [13:03] autotools just rule for portability [13:04] Um... no? [13:04] It only is portable between POSIX systems [13:04] jkwood: nope, the vim is opened inside a win2k8 virtual machine however :P [13:04] on the other hand. Is there a universal cmake equivalent to autotools DESTDIR support? [13:04] (which actually doesn't make sense since there's no OOM killer on windows but since when have I been making sense? :-) ) [13:04] Urchlay: make install DESTDIR= [13:04] NaCl: works on windows with msys [13:04] cmake seems like a pain in the ass to me [13:05] id rather use the complicated mess than a new complicated mess that I dont [13:05] NaCl: not universal, apparently. At least, I found no references to DESTDIR anywhere in the source tree I was messing with earlier [13:05] NaCl: have to compile for windows? [13:05] huh. [13:05] installing cmake is easier than installing msys [13:05] Don't have to have a special infrastructure for it [13:05] brainvision: [13:06] and unlike a normal makefile, you can't go "make -n install DESTDIR=/whatever" to see what it would do (you can, but it gives you no useful information) [13:06] bau simplex [13:06] NaCl: soon, you won't even bother about this! [13:06] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:06] Action: Camarade_Tux goes back to his third virtual desktop and continues coding on his package manager for windows [13:06] package manager for windows? ehhh [13:06] Camarade_Tux: what you say? [13:06] do I even want to know details? [13:07] it's cross-platform [13:07] only real problem I had has been http://code.google.com/p/libarchive/issues/detail?id=70 [13:07] pkgtools would work on windows, if you have cygwin tar and such installed :) [13:07] cygwin is low [13:08] *slow [13:08] i think cygwins packaging format is pretty similar to slack [13:08] Urchlay: pkgtools won't work on windows, it'll work on cygwin ;-) [13:08] tarballs [13:08] I'd say that's almost the only sane format [13:08] it's basically what i'm using too [13:09] i like the nextstep/apple model [13:09] mountable images [13:09] _slackin_ (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:09] Urchlay: cmake does have DESTDIR. search for it in the generated build files [13:09] msi is cool but it is staggeringly complicated [13:10] Otherwise certain people here would have complained about it already [13:10] eheh [13:10] But yes, make -n does not work [13:10] we're slowly switching from gnu make to scons here [13:10] cmake > scons (imo) [13:10] GooseYArd: msi is everything but unreliable [13:11] GooseYArd: I am so sorry. [13:11] yeah, cmake seems to be the most popular choice [13:11] GooseYArd: if the database breaks, you're fucked [13:11] and you have to keep the installers on your disk, that takes a lot of space [13:11] the chromium project switched from scons to make [13:11] plus they are named with UUIDS, go figure 56781AE6428042624896428964826942 is crap-version-2 [13:11] yah im hoping something better comes along [13:11] GooseYArd: uhh but it does use native linux libraries ... I mean it does not need dozens of it own develop libraries to start some project ? [13:12] Apparently whatever they use now is much faster than the original scons build [13:12] paul424: what, eclipse? [13:12] chromium has it's own build system [13:12] it needs a lot of stuff but at least you dont have to go hacking up your machine to get it to run [13:12] You don't need to hax cmake either, IIRC. [13:12] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:12] NaCl: sorry eclipse i mean [13:13] Ah. [13:13] Yeah, you don't. However, it is still a memory hog [13:13] yeah its a mess [13:14] but its a lot more complete than any of the gnome junk [13:14] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] GooseYArd: uhh is it posible to use for example the native glut libraries ? [13:14] dchmelik: ping. [13:14] paul424: its just an ide [13:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:15] NaCl: I did search for it [13:15] paul424: its an editor and it'll run your makefiles and gcc for you [13:15] Urchlay: it sure is there. At least in the thing I was trying to build. And for all of KDE, for that matter [13:15] uhh ok we will se [13:15] paul424: if you wanted to write extensions to eclipse and you wanted them to use glut, you might have an issue, but I can't imagine why you would want to do that [13:15] wonder if it's something the dev had to add [13:16] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-204.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [13:16] jery (~jery@116.68.89.60) joined ##slackware. [13:16] what is method to organize the content on hard disk to can able use the same content by http and ftp ? for example ==> http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/ & ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/ [13:16] Urchlay: doesn't look like it [13:17] jkwood: installpkg can install txv files? [13:17] xv? [13:17] Azeotrope: Yep. It's a new, more compact package format. [13:17] txz [13:17] maybe: you'd just create some apache alias that pointed to wherever the pub/ directory lived on your disk [13:18] Uses lzma instead of gzip. [13:18] only ? [13:18] ah crap, think I should use for my package manager? =/ [13:18] jkwood: thank you! so first i will install the deps and after that KDE files? is there an order besides deps first? [13:18] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::549f) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:18] but I know xz :-) [13:19] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.125.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:19] maybe: simply configure your http and ftp services to use the same document root [13:19] reminds me I should translate it to french... ='( [13:19] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-zhxpfglczyhazrwp) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [13:19] Azeotrope: Deps first, then packages. Do note that it shouldn't be used on anything but current, and there's a readme in the directory. [13:20] jkwood: oh, i don't have current [13:20] paul424: have you done any c++ programming or are you just getting started [13:20] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.56.122) joined ##slackware. [13:20] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [13:21] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-22.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:21] hi, will the default intel driver that comes with slackware 13 works for Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller,it didn't worked for my Desktop system with an intel graphic controller, i have tried the other xf86-video-intel packages on it [13:23] how do i get current? is it stable? [13:23] you shouldn't use it [13:24] GooseYArd: uhh I did a several large projects uuhh like 10 - 15 k lines [13:24] Reaver1 (Joachim@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [13:24] paul424: were you using an ide for those? [13:24] GooseYArd: btw qtproject adds its own qmake into the autools chain [13:24] GooseYArd: yeah sure the kdevelop on linux ... or anjuta even before [13:25] paul424: hmm [13:25] thrice`: ok.. i just wanted to use kde 4.4 [13:25] paul424: i would give eclipse a shot, it does use a lot of ram but it also has way more features than kdevelop or anjuta [13:26] Azeotrope: if you need to ask how to use -current, you shouldn't. [13:26] Azeotrope: I'd wait for 4.4.1, at least. There's some patches that didn't make it in 4.4. [13:28] jkwood: ok [13:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:29] jery (~jery@116.68.89.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:30] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:35] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:35] rinaldi (~chatzilla@h64.240.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] nick4b (~nick4b@193.92.221.190.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:36] (20:29:04) ( Azeotrope) jkwood: ok [13:36] rinaldi (~chatzilla@h64.240.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:38] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-209.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:38] take a look at http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100301 Desktop comparison - Zenwalk Linux, Salix OS and GoblinX which are three Slackware-based Xfce distributions [13:39] Whyfor? [13:39] funny, my slackware comes with xfce [13:39] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] God, why did they dropped the GNOME as they are persons who mantains GSB its just doubling the work ..... [13:43] how is it double the work? [13:43] gsb is in no-way associated with slackware [13:43] paul424: and pat was doing the triple [13:44] I believe rworkman does most of the work on xfce and alienBOB does most of the work on KDE. There wasn't anybody in the core team that really cared about Gnome. [13:44] gnome is for communists [13:44] wait now i sound like that guy we banned [13:44] :-) [13:45] uhh I mean when slack goes to current the gsb develops its pack to be fresh ... but still to the stable 13.0 old version instead to go with the current , that the minus if you don;t see it [13:46] Ah, okay. [13:48] We swap up every now and then, just to keep things interesting ;-) [13:48] ya baby [13:48] rworkman just comes in to kick ass and take names occasionally [13:49] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:49] And refill the lemons. [13:50] Action: GooseYArd nods [13:50] GooseYArd: Did you also take a few moments to reread the entire "poem" (re Facebook)? [13:50] I'm so glad to see the lemon dispensers are back. The place wasn't the same wit hthem gone. [13:50] rworkman: no its been years since I read that one [13:51] rworkman: I did America in a competition so I think i can still probably recite that one [13:51] Action: GooseYArd twitches [13:51] Yeah, I'd not read it in ages, but I sat and reread the whole thing last night. I almost fell out of my chair several times laughing [13:51] he's batshit crazy but I love him [13:52] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173-119-226-251.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Speaking of batshit... [13:52] here comes the hammer [13:52] STOP! [13:52] There's a certain federal agency, that should be a convenience store... [13:52] Hammer time. [13:52] BATFE [13:53] BATFEces ! :) [13:53] man [13:55] micsch (~micsch@p54A56E73.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:56] i hope i dont ever had to do any work for those guys [13:57] does anyone know if gccgo will be supported in 13.1? [13:58] thats going into 4.5 right? [13:58] not even sure [13:58] they accepted it [13:58] (I am) [13:58] so i presume 4.5 [13:58] farhat (~farhat@41.99.104.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:00] manwich-laptop: i wouldn' [14:00] t hold my breath [14:00] I think it's a branch [14:00] nah it was on the gcc list, they took the backend [14:00] from what i've read, its just a matter of adding it as a supported language [14:00] 'just'? [14:01] yah turning on the cnofig flag [14:01] well, a little more than that [14:01] http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2010-01/msg00504.html [14:01] Go does not and should not build by default. [14:01] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:02] that answers that [14:02] "slim to none" [14:02] should not by default and will not be shipped are totally different though [14:03] this is slackware, not fedora [14:03] thats true; I'm making an educated guess [14:03] or ubuntu [14:03] Camarade_Tux: yes so there'll be plenty of disk space left over to build a copy of gccgo :) [14:03] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.226.227.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:03] i'm just curious because i would like to try it out. guess i'll set up a vm to destroy [14:03] if you jsut want to try it out i would use 6g [14:04] I don't see Pat' enable it if even the maintainers say it shouldn't be built by default [14:04] i just figured it would be easier to use the gcc backend [14:04] I wouldn't bet on that [14:04] Camarade_Tux: $10 you would :p [14:04] probably better use "go" directly [14:04] The-Croupier: deal! [14:05] oh, well. back to work [14:05] nasofe (~nasofe@110.72.196.180) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:05] he actually knows he better not do it if he doesn't want me to harass him asking for the inclusion of ocaml :-) [14:06] Rint__ (john@static-71-244-60-125.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:06] manwich-laptop: nah 6g/6l are easiest to ise [14:07] use [14:08] Rint__ (john@static-71-244-60-125.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [14:21] gymophett (~gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] gymophett (gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [14:21] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-140-98-216.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:23] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-140-98-216.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:26] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) joined ##slackware. [14:27] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:31] how i can make aliasing eth0:1 in slackware to add another ip address on my Ethernet NIC { only 1 NIC in pc } ? what is the file to manipulate /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf or what ? [14:32] Sounds right. [14:33] maybe: ifconfig eth0:1 xxx.yyy.zzz.www/vv? [14:34] nick4b (~nick4b@193.92.221.190.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:36] just [ ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.5/24 ] what about adding gw 192.168.1.1 and this run on the fly only ? i want assign static ip on boot [14:37] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:38] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:38] gymophett (~gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173-119-226-251.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:39] maybe: http://p.linode.com/3538 [14:40] thanks bro [14:41] np [14:41] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:44] nick4b (~nick4b@77.49.19.176.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:45] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:45] sim2409 (~sim2409@188.46.23.85) joined ##slackware. [14:46] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Da7oR (~haxerex@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-azqxfocrwnflsdpb) joined ##slackware. [14:46] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:47] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:48] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [14:49] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Da7oR (haxerex@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-azqxfocrwnflsdpb) left ##slackware. [14:52] I'm mocking around with a minimal Slack install and at boot a shutdown I now get a "ps command not found" error. Which package did I remove that I should have kept? [14:52] boot and* ... [14:52] nice =) [14:53] procps i think [14:53] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [14:53] yup, procps =) [14:53] OK ,thanks =) [14:55] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:56] That did the trick. No errors now. Cheers! [14:58] a minimal slackware is a tricky thing. [14:58] If i click on Switch user i have only a New Session button. I want to be able to switch non-root users w-o privs. [14:58] a lot of stuff is expected to be in place. [14:58] also when the screensaver goes on (password protected( [14:59] slava_dp, Aye, I'm trying to be careful with removepkg. =) I'm just setting up a minimal rsync server [15:02] it's best to go the other way round. install just a/, remove unnecessary things, install rsync (or whichever server you are setting up) and add the libs 'ldd rsync' shows :) [15:03] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [15:04] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:05] I installed a bit more than just a. Included a, ap , n and l, then I've tried to scale down. Probably got a "bloated" server now, but not sure if I dare to remove anything else [15:06] removing xz was not a good idea I found ;-) [15:06] lol [15:06] haha [15:08] eydhU (~bumpair@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [15:10] nick4b (~nick4b@77.49.19.176.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:10] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30BB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:10] einars8 (~einars8@212.93.100.149) joined ##slackware. [15:11] hi [15:13] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] uhh could someone merge the gsb and dropline slackware projects back into the trunk I would be thankful. [15:14] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:15] :) [15:18] paul424: what trunk? [15:19] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [15:19] tree trunk? [15:19] car trunk [15:19] elephant! [15:19] exactly. [15:20] Tadgy: :) [15:20] Swim trunk [15:20] chipster: :) [15:20] Tadgy: :) [15:20] Good timing, guys. [15:20] rworkman: 'sup robby [15:21] rworkman: Evening matey :) [15:21] rworkman: he came into #gsb so we're trying to help him understand [15:21] Just bitching about upstream project. [15:21] which project? [15:21] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-140-98-216.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:21] Ubuntu! It's easy to bitch about :) [15:22] omg, ubuntu sucks [15:22] I'll keep that to myself for now. Let's just say that a lead dev for a certain upstream library wouldn't know the significance of versioning shared libraries if it crawled up his ass and rooted around. [15:22] haha [15:23] No danger of that happening though; there's no room in his ass since his head is up there. [15:23] cock and endless balls [15:23] rworkman: you're on a roll :) [15:23] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-147-234-108.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:23] lol [15:23] GooseYArd: yes, endless. [15:23] kids these days [15:24] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:24] can't be bothered to write changelogs or pay attention to versions [15:24] It's worse than that. [15:25] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:25] You mean the .so version isn't updated when an ABI changes? [15:26] Worse. [15:26] ugh [15:26] Action: Delahunt hopes this doesn't turn into a Linux incident (tm) [15:27] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Quit: THERE'S NO SPOON [15:27] will you pleeeeease update gtk soon? my apps are getting sad [15:27] If it weren't for a certain upstream project, it might already be done. [15:28] Action: jkwood demands an update to Bluez [15:28] thrice`: your apps had it coming [15:28] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:28] jkwood: i stuck one in my repository, i was looking for someone to test it [15:28] 4.6 i think [15:28] jkwood: and once the rest is out, I'm going to want some testing on that. [15:28] oh nm [15:29] hrm... [15:29] yes, but I know of at least 3 or 4 that don't build on 2.14. and my 4 > your 1 :> [15:29] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:30] rworkman: Yes sir. =) [15:30] Also, that never worked on fred. I was expeccting "FSFI" [15:30] dErFz (~derf@unaffiliated/derfz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:30] ugh, I HATED that :p [15:31] And I am in the process of fixing it, I'm just lazy. [15:31] GooseYArd: Link? [15:32] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173-119-226-251.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] http://topquark.roadkill.com/~bailey9/slackbuild/ [15:32] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:33] i would be exceedingly cautious with it though [15:33] NOOO ALIENBOB [15:34] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-204.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [15:34] they combined bluez-utils and bluez-lib into a single distribution [15:34] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:34] What's that you say? Fork Slackware with your SlackBuild included and pretend I did all the work? Okay! [15:34] and im not sure whether the -current udev will work or not [15:34] Lab_Rat (~lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] oh yeah those are all regular old slackware packages with updates [15:35] no im not pretending to have created any of those from scratch [15:35] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:35] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:35] "RedHat server" don't trust him, jkwood [15:35] well some of them are from scratch [15:35] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] thrice`: Shh, I'm trying to create another BlueWhite64 here. [15:36] ehehe [15:36] i am far too lazy for that type of thing [15:37] yousha (~yousha@78.38.89.188) joined ##slackware. [15:37] yousha (yousha@78.38.89.188) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [15:37] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:37] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-22.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] GooseYArd: I highly recommend putting a note in that you edited it. Helps keep track of authorship. [15:38] im more concerned with deniability [15:38] except for anything I send to slackbuilds [15:39] lol [15:39] those are in SBo [15:39] i just bought me a new graphic card, and i can't find any linux-driver who support it? anyone who knows a solution? [15:39] it's a asus eah4350 silent [15:40] jkwood: I'm afraid, that name's taken :P [15:40] eydhU, A quick Google tells me that it's a Radeon card, so look for Radeon drivers [15:41] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:41] aha, thank you very much, wolven [15:41] np [15:41] farhat (~farhat@41.99.92.139) joined ##slackware. [15:41] hi [15:41] pprkut: That's okay, I'm just gonna s/Slackware/NameOfDistro/g anyway. [15:42] on the plus side, BW64 seems dead [15:42] o/ wolven [15:42] jkwood: I meant BlueWight64 ;) [15:42] bah [15:42] Hai jkwood [15:44] Ooh... I could call it BlueWight64! Perfect! [15:44] haha [15:44] Action: jkwood is a bad man [15:44] man one of the side effects of software correctness [15:44] is a real blight of software updates [15:45] that's because they are a month apart :> [15:45] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:45] oh hah no i was referring to another project [15:46] is there any tips & tricks to make slack faster ? [15:46] buy a new cpu [15:47] farhat: What in particular are you looking to make faster? [15:48] whatever is happening on anyone's computer, its too slow [15:48] jkwood, GPU , how to make xorg with config to be GPU fast [15:49] Nothing comes to mind. I used to know all sorts of tricks, but then I used to know my own name from day to day, too. [15:49] aha [15:50] yah its amazing, now that I could really use a faster computer, I haven't got any idea what could be done with it [15:50] i just send angry emails to the IT staff demanding more powerful workstations [15:50] GooseYArd: You can always *always* surf for porn faster :) [15:50] back when i had time to make it faster, all i ever did was run benchmarks [15:51] Tadgy: yes given the precious few minutes I have for pornography, speed is of the essence [15:51] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: See ya! [15:51] haha [15:52] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:52] GooseYArd: I may be able to help you out with the 'few minutes' part of that - I get spam about increasing my perforance times all the time :) [15:52] Tadgy: that's because you need it. Targeted marketing ;) [15:52] lol [15:53] what the way to restart ethenet NIC after do some changes to take effect ? as i remember [ /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart ] true [15:53] chipster: Thats not what your missus was saying... she was complaining that you would get home before we'd finished :) [15:53] GooseYArd: Just built and installed, we'll see if it flies. [15:53] you and she need to stop sexting. [15:53] jkwood: k [15:54] jkwood: check syslog just to make sure udev isnt going bananas [15:54] jkwood: i think the problem was just with old bluez on new udev though, not vice-versa [15:54] chipster: Yeah, it's murder getting all that dried smeggy cruft out of the keys on my phone. [15:54] hahaha [15:54] smeggy cruft [15:54] Doesn't seem to. [15:54] i am writing that down [15:55] Tadgy's the best with words hands down. [15:55] aight time to pick up the little gooses [15:55] sorry for #gsb shat spilling over here ;-) [15:55] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173-119-226-251.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:56] Yeah, we usually filth up #gsb ... you don't know what you're missing :) [15:56] omg it's terrible in there. Tadgy, all your fault :) [15:57] Gnome users are invading? And me without my fireman's hat... [15:57] einars8 (einars8@212.93.100.149) left ##slackware. [15:58] Hey, we may build gnome, but we don't use it :) [15:58] jkwood: hah Tadgy and I don't use GNOME [15:58] Tadgy: lol [15:58] WindowMaker all the way. [15:58] (when it works) [15:58] alienBOB (~alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:58] alienBOB (~alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) left irc: Changing host [15:58] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Unless I fancy being ass raped by KrapDE :) [15:59] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [16:00] I have special lube for it too.... deep heat... for that penetrating warm feeling that only KDE anal rape can give you :) [16:00] omg dude [16:00] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:00] isn't that lib.so Tadgy? :-) [16:01] Hey Tadgy long time no see [16:01] alienBOB: Eyup :) [16:01] Will you ever fix the http on slackware.org.uk? [16:01] GooseYArd: hcid doesn't exist anymore, apparently. [16:02] Tadgy: yeah dude - I'm tired of fucking with my net-install scripts [16:02] This could be more work than I asked for. [16:02] is xorgconfig out of bussines? [16:02] lol, yeah... it's on my list mate. I'm just arguing with the hosting provider at the moment - they've tried to add £150 to the renewal costs for the server :( [16:02] nheco (~nheco@200-203-64-116.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:02] ugh [16:03] Action: jkwood plugs Linode's new London location [16:03] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:03] Tadgy, = Darren from slackware.co.uk? [16:03] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:03] Indeed :) [16:03] =) [16:03] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] sim2409 (~sim2409@188.46.23.85) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [16:04] (and .org.uk too) [16:04] Working on that rsync server for Wolvix now =) [16:04] Cool :) [16:04] Hope the configs I sent over helped :) [16:04] Yes, I'm sure they will. Going to start using them now [16:05] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:05] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Righty, I gotta make some foodstuffs. Mexican tonight. BBL :) [16:05] wolven: hopefully you omitted Tadgy's perverse rsync motd comments :-) [16:05] Tadgy: later mate [16:05] lol, there's none on the motd :P [16:06] chipster, Didn't get those =D [16:06] Tadgy: hahah [16:06] Just in the gsb changelogs :) [16:06] and in every code comment [16:07] bbl :) [16:07] hi...how to upgrade the default xorg server in slackware 13 to Xorg 4.3 or greater ...thanks [16:07] what;s the main obstacle in merging slackware and gsb ? [16:08] gnome [16:08] paul424: what alisonken1home said. [16:08] we (#gsb) build it - and it's a bear. [16:08] go back to the changelog when gnome was dropped and you'll see why pat doesn't want it there [16:08] can't say I blame pat dropped it. it's really no fun building it. [16:09] or rather, why pat wants gsb to keep gnome and he doesn't want to work with it anymore [16:09] chipster: I believe it. I spent a week trying to build the dependencies for Evolution so somebody could have it on Slax. So much required for a mail program... [16:09] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Client Quit [16:10] much less with gsb/gnome i was told by some people who run a project that puts out gnome for slackware that there are circular dependencies within gsb/gnome [16:10] jkwood: Evo is *terrible* to build. As of now, we're struggling to get evo-rss to build. A fucking rss lib set for cipes sakes. [16:10] i'm no programmer but in my mind circular dependencies are a huge flag "hey i'm a retard" [16:11] much less how anyone could entrench Evolution so deeply within Linux when one of the main gripes microsoft-haters (of which some linux devs are lol) is how entrenched outlook/IE is in winddows [16:11] i.e. how you could hate that and do what appears to be the same thing is beyond my comprehension [16:11] ok, i guess i'll stop ranting now [16:12] you can run gnome without evolution just fine [16:12] Delahunt: circular deps in GSB or gnome in general? [16:12] i stopped liking gnome on other distributions when they started entrenching evolution into them [16:12] chipster, i don't remember which they said [16:12] thrice`, true, i was mainly referring to other distros at that point [16:12] so i guess it's distros that i was griping about, not gsb/gnome upstream [16:12] that's a pretty dumb point, then ;) [16:13] still valid if you use anything other than slackware pretty much lol [16:13] "I hate gnome because distro_x couldnt' package it" [16:13] well it ruined the whole "try a different distro to use gnome" [16:13] i used to really love gnome, not any more [16:13] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [16:13] thrice`: Many people use that argument with Kubuntu and KDE. [16:14] personally, I can use any DE and be alright [16:14] like thrice` said, you don't *need* evo to use/install GNOME. 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[16:19] Delahunt, yes, along with devkit/udisk/upower for the power side [16:19] paul424, try installing gnome on almost any major rpm-using distribution. evolution-something is going to be required to install gnome [16:20] thrice`, are any of these intrusive? [16:20] Nick change: kslen^^ -> kslen [16:21] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Changing host [16:21] dErFz (~derf@unaffiliated/derfz) joined ##slackware. [16:21] ask alienBOB :) [16:21] Delahunt: what does the word : entrenching means ? [16:21] eydhU (~bumpair@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:21] it means you cant install X without Y: not like a library, but a program [16:22] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:22] and how gnome (desktop environment) depends upon evolution (mail client) the way they build it is highly annoying, especially if that is not your preferred client [16:22] some give you choice. on fedora, you can uncheck evo and click thunderbird, and it'll work just fine :> [16:23] Delahunt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrenching_tool [16:23] thrice`, that's encouraging / surprising to me given my last run-in with fedora 8-) [16:24] with mandriva (my "other" distribution) many times you could not remove it but anyways my rant is getting to the point of being worthless [16:31] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [16:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:36] gyroscope (~master@85.104.76.220) joined ##slackware. [16:36] gyroscope (~master@85.104.76.220) left irc: Changing host [16:36] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. 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[17:27] fwiw if you want to symlink something using Thunar in Xfce, hold ctrl, alt, and shift while dragging from one Thunar window to the destination window [17:29] very nice, very convenient [17:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:33] and press all mice buttons 1, 2 and 3 at once? /o\ [17:36] krusader: drag from one window to another, click on "link here", done [17:37] ln -s , dont even bother getting your hands off the keyboard :) [17:37] have mouse on the keyboard :P [17:38] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:41] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-63-131-54-26.pit.onecommunications.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [17:43] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [17:44] can I use wildcard search in vim? for example: :%s/FOO*"/,/g [17:44] * denotes any number of characters after FOO and before " [17:45] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:46] how can i make slackware to run a command as root, when a normal user logs out? [17:46] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:47] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] Azeotrope: logs out of what? The terminal, or X11? [17:49] Tadgy: X11 [17:49] I want to do a auto umount of /home [17:49] Errr, /home/$USER or /home ? [17:50] Azeotrope: how is it mounted in the first place? [17:50] /home/$USER /home, doesn't matter.. there's only one user in /home [17:50] ananke: cryptsetup [17:51] Are you using GDM? [17:51] Azeotrope: so it's not automounted by any means [17:51] no... maybe if I'll user PAM? [17:51] pam_mount is a great way of automounting, not sure about autoumounting [17:51] but i heard it's a pita. [17:52] yea, umounting should be easy, no password required [17:52] Azeotrope: you mean getting slackware with full support for PAM is pita [17:52] pam is the dried crusty shit left over when you don't wipe your ass properly after you've had the shits. [17:52] yach [17:53] Tadgy: that's great. does that happen to you so often, you actually have a name for it? [17:53] lol [17:53] anyway, hoe can I make the root umounting my /home? [17:53] Tadgy, /msg real quick? [17:54] You'll need to do a lot of work to get a user specific crypto setup for each user - you've got to make GDM/KDM prompt for the crypto password, before it can unlock the users home dir... [17:54] It's easier to just crypt the /home partition, and let root unlock it on boot. [17:54] Azeotrope: if it's a single user, you could try sudo umount with ~/.logout, although that by design wouldn't be able to umount it [17:54] Tadgy: yea, root unlocks it for now [17:54] wolven: Sure, feel free :) [17:55] ananke: wouldn't that let the user umount anything? [17:55] Per user crypted dirs are a PITA. Unless you really want to dirty yourself with PAM. [17:55] Tadgy: well, i only have one user [17:55] nooper: not if you set up sudo correctly. sudo allows you to specify what arguments you can pass to commands [17:56] ah [17:56] If you only have one user, then there's no point in doing per user crypto stuff. Just crypto the whole /home area. [17:56] Then you don't need to unmount it when you log out. [17:56] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-23-104.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:57] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:57] from this POV Ubuntu was more secure. Each user had his /home/$user encrypted with the login password and the folder was umounted at logout [17:57] Azeotrope: that's one of the advantages of having a system with fully working pam. [17:58] Tadgy: my whole home is encrypted? why i don;t have to umount? [17:58] ananke: yea [17:59] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Azeotrope: Well, I assume you want to crypt stuff in case your laptop get stolen? Well, they won't have the unlock password will they, so only you can unlock it at boot. [18:00] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:01] but what if its stolen while the laptop is running [18:01] adrenaline (~repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:01] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.25) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [18:01] Tadgy: not really, it's my desktop workstation and i intent to make users for other people. they will have their homes in /home2/user [18:01] nooper: that's what file-by-file or on-the-fly encryption is for :) [18:01] mishehu (mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:01] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:02] mishehu (mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] most consumer level crypto is desgned for data-at-rest [18:02] Azeotrope: Well, you've just gone back on what you said 5 minutes ago. You said there will only be one user. [18:02] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:02] Soul_keeper (1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] So, you're back to individual crypto dirs being a PITA. [18:02] Make up your mind :) [18:02] hello, anyone know if MCE errors are logged by default anywhere ? [18:03] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.24.45) joined ##slackware. [18:03] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-23-104.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:03] Whats an MCE error? [18:03] Only one user it's for now. And there will be. if i set the home for the rest in /home2 it will be like it's not there [18:04] Azeotrope: Err, sorry, that made no sense at all :) [18:04] only one user uses encryption [18:04] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-23-104.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] PathagenX (~Miranda@122.58.18.58) joined ##slackware. [18:04] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-23-104.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:05] Tadgy: i have my user in /home which is encrypted. the only user there. i can add 99 users in /home2 because home2 won't use encryption [18:05] Azeotrope: You're trying to do too much. Either encrypt them all, or none. If you want to crypt them all, you've got a LOT of work ahead to make it work. [18:06] Even if you want to crypt one, but not others, it's still a PITA. [18:07] be easier to just have them create a TrueCrypt container in their directory [18:07] why? i only have to find out how to auto-unmount my home when i log off. [18:07] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Use temp table to set device size when converting mirrors. In resume_mirror_images replace activate_lv with resume_lv as workaround. Avoid o [18:07] whoops [18:07] :) [18:07] NyteOwl: and use truecrypt for /home? [18:08] that would be pita [18:08] Azeotrope: just let them dump anything they need encrypted into the container [18:08] Azeotrope: it's not that simple. How do you mount the crypted area? How do you detect if a user should have an ecrypted home dir vs those that don't? [18:08] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:08] you don't have to worry about managing it if you grant them permissions [18:09] NyteOwl: no, i want full /home cause i'm paranoid. [18:09] then use full drive encryptiuon. anytime the system is on it's accessible. when it's off it's not [18:09] if you need on-the-fly then you have some work ahead [18:10] NyteOwl: Which is exactly what I tried to explain to him before :) [18:10] Tadgy: i mount it at boot. it asks for the password. [18:10] So, your PER USER set up is to mount your specific home area at boot? [18:10] Do you know how broken that is? [18:11] Sounds unfeasable [18:11] Tadgy: NOT PER USER. [18:11] only for me Azeotrope [18:11] so...per user [18:11] i have another user root and a /home2/sister [18:11] they don't use encryption [18:12] Bored now. [18:12] dude, am i such a mess at explaining things? [18:12] Azeotrope: root isn't a user [18:12] yeah, i thought discussion already had proven he should be using ubuntu [18:12] Soul_keeper (1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:13] if the machine isnt portable and you're not worried about it getting stolen, theres no reason to encrypt anyway [18:13] Indeed. [18:13] cause if it gets rooted the crypto is irrelevant [18:13] GooseYArd: unless you're a drug lord and the cops may get at you [18:14] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173-119-226-251.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] thats covered by the "stolen" part although I guess thats relative :) [18:14] GooseYArd: why would crypto be irrelevant? if i get rooted it will be hard to gain access [18:14] on my /home [18:14] i just wait until you log in and then i read your key as you type it in [18:15] how? i have to start my internet manually after logging in [18:15] Azeotrope: The only time you can get rooted is if your box is turned on. Which means you've already entered the password to open your (not per user) home dir - whcih means if you're rooted they can see it all anyway! [18:15] i replace a system binary with a nefarious one [18:16] adrenaline (~repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:16] brb hungry children [18:16] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.56.122) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:16] engrxyz (~jkjkjk@host81-143-50-92.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [18:17] is there any this like this http://code.google.com/p/sfs-technology/ in slackware ? [18:17] Tadgy: yes. but my /home has only firefox history and messenger archives. things like passwords, accounts etc are stored on another device, encypted in another way [18:17] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:17] thing* [18:17] Then why bother?! [18:18] Jesus... you sound like a kiddy fiddler or something. [18:18] This is weird. I have a monitor across the room that after being on standby for 20 mins or will power on to display a message that it's going into power saving mode. [18:18] Because i don't like being at risk and having my history analized [18:18] wow [18:18] when it's already off [18:19] Tadgy: i'm not. I just feel unsecure [18:19] standby != off [18:19] Azeotrope, stop producing bad history [18:19] NyteOwl, yeah but [18:20] seems a bit strange [18:20] not that I really care [18:20] dive: i have good history. cia.gov, fbi [18:20] huh [18:21] Action: adaptr wonders when the troll-veil will part [18:21] Azeotrope, you aren't the same guy who was in here a few weeks back testing his firewall by pinging cia.gov? [18:21] lol [18:21] i don't remember [18:21] Tadgy: :-) [18:22] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.56.122) joined ##slackware. [18:22] haha [18:22] Action: chipster goes to eat [18:24] "I have good history! cia.gov knows who I am!" "yeah, but um.. do you mean you've worked there, or they *know* you, know you ?" [18:24] I'm just wondering why someone is this concerned about encrypting his browsing history and IM logs. [18:24] yeah [18:24] its probably his tossing-off machine [18:25] he's either totally paranoid or got something to hide. [18:25] its a lot more convenient just not to keep sensitive shit on a machine [18:25] dive: Or is flexing his epeen. [18:25] I have plenty to hide, but I don't go that far :) [18:25] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-uebvhugazyyvhzea) joined ##slackware. [18:25] why does the name JBauer ring a bell? [18:26] Never underestimate the allure of "Look what I can do! Useful? Why, should it be?" [18:26] jim j bullock [18:26] jkwood: yah [18:26] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:26] old time hockey player (Johnny Bauer), Bauer as in the sporting good, and packages for Ford trucks ... [18:26] i'm doing it because i want to protect my intimacy, because i can learn more, and because i'm kinda paranoid [18:26] all the people I know who encrypt hard drives either work for the dod or are in their early 20s [18:27] 2.6.33 Fixed problems with my intel 945gma failing to resume video after pm-suspend [18:27] for paranoia I recommend gnupg [18:27] just in case anyone was having any issues [18:27] mrselfpwn: you using the new mesa? [18:27] talking about paranoia [18:28] GooseYArd: i'm in -current [18:28] what woul be ta recomending way to nuke a drive? [18:28] would* [18:28] I use fulld rive encryption. SOmeone steals the damn thing all they get is the hardware. All my accounts info and passwords are on an Ironkey. Most people don't need more than that [18:28] Drakevr, hammer [18:28] to erase its contents multiple times.. say 37 in a row [18:28] Drakevr: do you ever want to use it again? [18:28] Drakevr: eating it [18:28] GooseYArd: yes, Gnupg for email or sending ndividual files [18:28] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173-119-226-251.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:28] Drakevr: derrik's boot and nuke (dban) [18:28] of not by destroing the drive [18:29] dd it [18:29] You really only need to do it once, not 35 times heh 3 if you're really paranoid is more than plenthy [18:29] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdax [18:29] if it's really that sensitive take the drive apart and grind up the paltters :) [18:29] unless somebody has millions of dollars to spend on your hard drive [18:29] though personally I prefer Thermite [18:29] probably hiding it under your mattress is plenty secure [18:30] I have all my accounts in a single plaintext, every name is random, every password is random to prevent data mining, and this plaintext is kept somewhere safe and encrypted with keyfiles [18:30] interesting [18:30] "every password is random to prevent data mining" - I think you need to google what data mining means [18:31] username [18:32] NyteOwl: And wrap your house in tin foil. [18:32] a piece of paper and a safe are a lot more secure [18:32] if you have no windows [18:32] IOIO (~muhaha@unaffiliated/ioi) joined ##slackware. [18:32] or curtains [18:32] I write all my passwords on the inside of my eyelids. [18:32] ehehe [18:33] I don't use passwords. [18:33] XGizmo, well iy can be taken to extremes. I don't but there are occasions when it's a good idea. It's not an everyday thing [18:33] dive uses the md5sum of a jpg of a scan of his buttocks that he made on a photocopier [18:33] GooseYArd, damn how did you know?? [18:33] cause I've got a copy [18:33] why not just hold the buttocks up to the hammers of the dot matrix printer ? [18:34] pain reinforces memory [18:34] I use identification by ejaculation - no one can hump a floppy disk drive quite like me :) [18:34] haha [18:35] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:35] i once read this article and it said that when people think, their vocal cords vibrate as they were speaking. subvocalization or so [18:35] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:36] so, there will be a time when we should and will use cryptobrain [18:36] so stop thinking or people will steal your voices [18:36] Nick change: Guest45913 -> slackid [18:36] the problem with paranoia is that it usually presupposes significance [18:36] oh [18:36] respect! [18:36] IOIO (muhaha@unaffiliated/ioi) left ##slackware. [18:37] guax (1000@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:37] GooseYArd: Thats just what big brother wants you to think. :P [18:37] if you havent got any valuable to steal, and you're not planning any costly mischief, theres probably noone interested in you [18:38] except psycho ex girlfriends [18:39] ah the voice of experience? :p [18:39] sadly [18:39] ehehe [18:39] hehe [18:40] Hey guys... ATI X1200 and the opensource driver give about 350 FPS in glxgears. I tried this tutorial http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo to try and make it better but even with the new drivers and mesa it still kept going at 350 FPS. The proprietary driver is out of the question, it needs an old system. Does anyone have any ideas for another way for me to try and get some more performance from it ? [18:40] would a 1TB HD pron stash be considered valuable? [18:40] XGizzmo: have you got any lindsey marshal? [18:41] why would anyone want to encrypt pr0n? is it illegal? [18:41] if you're in it [18:41] In some contries, yes, it's illegal. [18:41] in TB of porn? [18:42] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.107) joined ##slackware. [18:42] like 27/7 for 5 years in HD [18:42] 24/7 [18:42] GooseYArd: nope but there could be a few goats. [18:42] yes, until you're 17 [18:42] is 1TB "mainstream" size or is it really huge? [18:42] XGizzmo: 50$ [18:43] are they bearded? [18:43] yes, like bearded collies [18:43] yes and fainting one also. [18:43] :P [18:43] cos we don't accept anything less [18:43] 75 [18:43] haha [18:43] :) [18:44] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:44] ikar (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [18:44] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Axtroz, how old is that card? [18:45] hi, how do i adjust the cpu fan in slackware? [18:45] abut an year and a half (its a notebook) [18:45] i mean a notebook video card :) [18:45] ikar: Take the side of the case off, get a hammer - enjoy :) [18:45] and the prop drivers don't support it? That's strange. [18:45] how do i restart my sound? [18:45] Axtroz: which mesa? [18:45] hehe [18:46] 7.7 [18:46] hey, i'm having some trouble getting my slackware system to function as a wireless access point. i think that my problem lies in bridging wlan0 with eth0. right now i am able to connect to the network wirelessly and access only the local network. [18:46] GooseYArd, mesa 7.7 [18:46] i am a little confused about how my routing table should look while using the bridge [18:46] Axtroz: i think your best bet is probably to hang tight for a few weeks until 7.8 comes out [18:46] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:46] think i would try a ohm-device hmm [18:46] there have been an enormous number of gallium-related changes for ati in there [18:47] GooseYArd, thanks :) [18:47] dive, http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=2.4.2.3.8&lang=English [18:47] even number releases stable in mesa world? [18:47] this is the last driver which supports X1200 [18:47] you'll need a few things- libdrm 2.4.18 or whatever comes before mesa 7.8 is out [18:47] that's a long link. [18:47] and 2.6.33 so you're all set there [18:47] and it requires something like kernel 2.6.27 or stuff... [18:47] shyko (~shyko@201-76-83-84.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [18:47] shyko (~shyko@201-76-83-84.flash.tv.br) left irc: Changing host [18:47] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [18:48] ikar (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Client Quit [18:48] here is my output from "ip route": http://pastebin.com/KR0u0bng [18:49] how can i restart the sound on slackware? [18:49] dive, GooseYArd thanks :) [18:49] everything is set to the br0 bridge device, but i am not sure if that is correct [18:49] Azeotrope, why do you want to restart sound? [18:49] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Saindo [18:49] i don't have any trouble accessing the local network, but i can't reach the internet [18:50] dive: i crashed. alsamixers shows volume levels ok, everything ok except no snd [18:50] Azeotrope, you could rmmod the sound modules and then modprobe them again. [18:50] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:51] Azeotrope, try to aplay a wav, does it give an error? [18:51] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-23-104.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:51] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:52] dive, no, just no sound [18:52] dive: i corrected it with /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa restart [18:52] check alsamixer again [18:52] it happend before out of the blue [18:53] zaltekk: I used brctl before [18:53] foobarz: and/ [18:53] Azeotrope, so it works now? [18:53] zaltekk: brctl addbr br0 [18:54] foobarz: i have a bridge setup [18:54] dive: yes, but it's strange... [18:54] zaltekk: brctl addif br0 eth0 [18:54] i remember once i had distorted sound [18:54] i had to reboot [18:54] foobarz: i have a bridge named br0 with wlan0 and eth0 as ports [18:54] zaltekk: ifconfig br0 up [18:54] foobarz: done. and i gave br0 an ip address [18:55] foobarz: i think that the problem is in my routing table because after adding eth0 to the bridge, i lost access to the internet. i can't only ping local machines. [18:55] i'm leaving. good bye. [18:55] zaltekk: so you addif eth0 and wlan0 to br0? [18:55] foobarz: yes. [18:55] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:55] wow, massive updates on Slackware-Current today :) [18:55] Thanks to Eric, Robby, and Piter :D [18:55] The only thing holding me back from using Slackware is that I can't get 3D acceleration on my ATI Radeon GPU for some reason. ): [18:55] zaltekk: your pppoe internet connection should use br0 [18:56] AGH NO [18:56] foobarz: did you look at http://pastebin.com/KR0u0bng ? [18:56] slackid, haven't checked today [18:56] check it out [18:56] the repo is not yet synched though [18:56] I'll do it tomorrow [18:56] yup.... [18:57] it's a massive update, so we should have a look for a while before applying the updates [18:57] I find a lot of the mirros are slow to catch up [18:57] where I am anyway [18:57] i used rsync::slackware.osuosl.org [18:57] giuppy (~giuppy@host120-79-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:57] UK mirrors seem to be disappearing... [18:58] i'm very curious about what has been updated [18:58] almost everything [18:58] I use Ireland if I can [18:58] kernels, toolchains, [18:58] How do I get fglrx driver to work in Slackware? I'm using Arch currently, but really want to use Slackware. ): [18:58] gtk and glib \o/ [18:59] \o/ [18:59] no wonder it would take one full month to test this packages :p [18:59] any kde stuff? [18:59] I'm actually wondering if rsync will save me any bandwidth this time :P [18:59] dive: kde 4.3.5 [18:59] -> http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [18:59] THANKS! =) [19:00] zaltekk: i don't know a lot of details... but the first thing is to use ifconfig eth0 192.168.x.x [19:00] it's like ALIEN's says, KDE 4.4 will not be on Slackware-Current (for now) [19:01] Is it possible to get KDE 4.4 in Slackware? [19:01] zaltekk: that sets the network for eth0... then wlan0 would be network 192.168.y.y [19:01] xorg-server-1.7.5 \o/ [19:01] Build from source? [19:02] foobarz: i setup eth0 with dhcpcd. then enabled hostapd for the access point through wlan0. next, i created the bridge br0 and added both eth0 and wlan0. eth0 is 192.168.0.180 with gateway 192.168.0.1 to the internet. i set br0 to 192.168.1.1 and enabled ip_forward and masquerading. [19:02] you can use Eric's packages [19:02] it only works for SLackware-Current though [19:02] lol half of Slackware has been updated. [19:02] That's a big load of updates [19:02] x86_64 changelog isnt yet updated though [19:02] yup, massive :D [19:02] foobarz: however, i was unable to reach anything else on the network until i changed the routing table to use the device br0 instead of eth0 for the default route. [19:03] Someone told me you couldn't update Slackware. Idiots. [19:03] lol [19:03] mase_wk (~amason@202-6-148-24.dsl.voice.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:03] and I thought I would have nothing to do on tomorrow: have two kernels to update, two slackware-currents installs, have to recompile nouveau and its support libs... \o/ [19:04] argh device-mapper into lvm , i dont like [19:04] is there anyone else than can help me figure out how to properly setup this bridge? [19:05] well, seems to me that it's time for me to reinstall my virtual buildsystem for my custom packages [19:05] kill -20a nd kill -18 are pretty cool [19:05] zaltekk: my basic understanding, with my setup, was that br0 needs to be the network device that connects to the internet [19:05] sahk0: patience, all updates will hit the mirrors soom [19:06] foobarz: are you saying i should run dhcpcd br0? [19:06] alienBOB: i know, i just said i dont like having device-mapper in lvm cause i only install it for lilo, not lvm [19:06] zaltekk: yes, try that.. br0 has to connect to the internet.... the IP address of br0 needs to be on the internet [19:07] alienBOB: oh, you were referring to x86_64 not yet updated.. [19:07] foobarz: okay. i think i just have too many addresses assigned then. should I leave eth0 without an ip address, add it to the bridge, and then dhcp the bridge? [19:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] zaltekk: you can assign eth0 a private network ip address... and you can assign wlan a different network private ip address... then they get added into br0, but br0 itself in in the network and with ip address on the internet [19:10] Here's a slightly offtopic question that goes hand in hand with the current discussion. I've not had much experience with bridges, ever.. Here's what I want to do. This computer uses wifi to access the internet, if I bridge, I can then plug it's ethernet connection into a cat5 switch and allow other computers to access the router over it's wireless connection.. this I understand.. however, my question is, does that take away the [19:10] ability of -this- computer to get actually get an ip for the wireless, for itself to use? [19:10] foobarz: right. but then why have those two extra ip addresses refering to the same machine? wouldn't it be cleaner to just have the address that is assigned to br0? [19:10] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [19:11] x86_64 isn't updated yet? [19:11] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [19:11] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Client Quit [19:12] i meant the changelog [19:12] break19: you should be able to do that. i am pretty much doing the reverse. 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I have x86_64, just making sure they didn't leave us out. xD [19:13] ah cool [19:13] zaltekk: i don't know.... the br0 makes eth0 and wlan look like 1 physical wire or network node called br0, and br0 then represents the union of physical net nodes "eth0" and "wlan0" ... it is confusing sorry, I'm not the most knowledgable [19:16] zaltekk: actually, the eth0 and wlan0 should maybe have the same network ips... like 192.168.1.x [19:16] zaltekk: to use a bigger network like 192.168.x.x you sometimes have to change network mask or something on the interfaces [19:16] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [19:17] oh he left [19:17] foobarz: worked great! thanks for the help. [19:17] alienBOB: nah, we want it all and now :P [19:17] zaltekk: nice np :) [19:17] zaltekk: i don't know.... the br0 makes eth0 and wlan look like 1 physical wire or network node called br0, and br0 then represents the union of physical net nodes "eth0" and "wlan0" ... it is confusing sorry, I'm not the most knowledgable [19:17] it ended up being a lot easier to setup that i thought...i was trying to do it the hard(and wrong) way [19:17] zaltekk: actually, the eth0 and wlan0 should maybe have the same network ips... like 192.168.1.x [19:17] zaltekk: to use a bigger network like 192.168.x.x you sometimes have to change network mask or something on the interfaces [19:17] those are messages you missed [19:17] okay [19:17] but it doesn't matter now if it works [19:18] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Camarade_Tux: I have it all and now .-)0000 [19:18] i was trying to setup eth0 and wlan0 independently and then connect them rather than connect them and setup br0. [19:19] Still uploading my updated multilib and KDE44 packages though [19:20] next is to setup a dhcp daemon and squid-cache [19:20] alienBOB: hahaha ;p [19:20] yes, once you bridge network devices into br0, you then work with them as if you are device br0, you don't configure the stuff that is inside the bridge as much [19:20] alienBOB: but I'll just schedule the updates, go to bed and check on tomorrow :-) [19:20] I'd better not tried to touch anything right now, I'm so tired I'd completely kill my systems :-) [19:21] alienBOB, does the 4.4 polkit dependency grow that much from 4.3? [19:21] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:21] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [19:23] uSlacker (~gmartin@173.62.249.45) joined ##slackware. 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[19:26] but tomorrow, I'll have an X that doesn't take 10% of my cpu at idle \o/ [19:27] Does anyone know of a good Linux program to draw circuits? [19:28] veritos: I haven't used it but there is a program on sbo called xcircuit [19:28] also dia does that IIRC [19:29] dia will do simple circuits [19:29] i.e. it has predrawn resistors and shit? [19:29] zaltekk: one last thing, you should be able to see all your interfaces now with ifconfig [19:30] foobarz: yep, they are all up. i am actually connected here through the bridge :) editing dhcpd.conf and about to give it a try [19:34] guax (1000@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:36] guax (1000@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [19:36] scheduled my rsync scripts to run in 6 and 8 hours, good night :-) [19:36] gavin__ (~gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:00] hah jesus thats some changelog [20:01] is anyone here having problems with kazehakase? im getting segfaults... ill pastebin the output.. [20:01] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:01] jg71_ (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [20:01] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [20:01] here is the output: http://pastebin.org/99718 [20:02] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:05] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:05] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:07] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:09] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-113.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:12] does someone have a problem with slackware-current and KDE? My kde is now 1/2 useless, the desktop is frozen and the circles on the center is running [20:13] earlier today I got a similar issue but upgraded to 4.4 and its okay now [20:14] Axtroz, you using this packages http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.4.0/ ? [20:14] no [20:14] I'm using my own packages [20:14] ok [20:15] Actually it's just kdelibs pimlibs base graphics and multimedia :) [20:15] dont need the rest of the stuff [20:15] i even dont have nepomuk compiled [20:15] bitlord: Isn't that standard for KDE? Half useless and frozen? [20:15] Tadgy, :) [20:16] Axtroz, I'l try ^^^ packages, because building KDE on this machine takes ~8hours :D [20:17] :D [20:20] gymophett (~gareth@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] bitlord: did you try {re}moving ~/.kde first? [20:21] B4RR13N705 (~B4RR13N70@200-127-98-172.cab.prima.net.ar) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:22] sahk0, no, I think there are no need for that because it working good before, and after some uptime not long (10hours) it starts being useless like ^^ [20:22] Ugh. I'm having a problem installing my ati driver. [20:23] bitlord: what graphics card? [20:23] intel would be my guess [20:23] sahk0, nvidia 8600 [20:23] I have an ATI Radeon HD 3100. [20:23] hmm [20:23] I [20:23] I'm following this guide: http://www.scribd.com/doc/24632369/Install-Fglrx-drivers-on-Slackware-13 [20:23] sahk0, with nvidia binary driver 195.xx latest "stable" [20:24] bitlord: dont know then, they are working fine for me [20:24] sahk0, or it's 190.xx I'm sorry [20:24] and my chipset is very similar to yours [20:25] sahk0, when it works good, it works fast, I don't use graphical effects ... [20:25] when I get to "aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv" I get this output: Error: Invalid string value for --ovt option. Please check aticonfig help info for supported overlay type. aticonfig: parsing the command-line failed. [20:26] Wow that's a *huge* update [20:26] bitlord: me neither, but never seen anything like what you describe [20:26] I'm on 64-bit btw. [20:27] NaCl: blame libjpeg + libpng , for the most part. X is pretty standard [20:27] sahk0, I used before Arch and KDE, and there it working good no problems, maybe on slackware 13.0 too, but I want -current [20:27] bitlord: wait a day or two and upgrade to latest xorg-server; maybe thatll fix your problems [20:28] sahk0: looks like half of the distro was upgraded [20:28] along with everything else in current [20:28] rworkman: ping [20:28] NaCl: yeah , half the distro depends on libjpeg :p [20:28] sahk0, ok, tnx. [20:29] :/ [20:29] This is what is stopping me from using Slackware. [20:29] having an ATI card? [20:29] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [20:29] i doubt id be using linux in that case [20:30] No. My ATI card has worked flawlessly in every distro but Slackware. [20:30] heh All but one of my machines have ATI :) [20:30] or more seriously i would replace it with one from a company that actually works [20:30] gymophett: my ATI card works fine in Slackware [20:31] NaCl: Do you get desktop effects? [20:31] Weren't there SBo packages for ati drivers earlier? Can't find such now [20:31] gymophett: everything [20:31] Aldaron: yes, there were. [20:31] NaCl: How did you go about installing yours? I only have this one problem and its when I try to set the overlay type [20:32] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:32] gymophett: using the installer in the package. [20:32] ./ati-blah.sh --buildpkg Slackware/All or somesuch [20:32] NaCl: That's what I'm doing. [20:32] fglrx has a *huge* YMMV tag attached [20:33] i only get a problem when I run aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv [20:33] sahk0, I re-started plasma-desktop and now it works OK [20:33] am I doing something wrong? [20:34] bitlord: great:) [20:35] gymophett: did you check the aticonfig help info for supported overlay types? ;) [20:36] Aldaron: I ran aticonfig --help if that is what you are talking about. and it doesnt say anything about overlay types. [20:37] NaCl: pong [20:37] WAIT: I've looked over this same file about 4983789 times and I found this just now: aticonfig --dtop=horizontal --overlay-on=1 [20:37] do i run that? [20:38] rworkman: looks like I can (dare) mess with the Kits outside of the VM [20:38] gymophett: you should probably give up with the proprietary driver and use the stuff that ships with Xorg. [20:38] i have problem too with ati... desktop effects not work [20:38] NaCl: Yes, you can. It was installed here alongside hal for a while :) [20:39] i've used the proprietary drivers in other distros, and they worked fine. [20:39] gymophett: Try one screen first. If it doesn't work after a few tries, give up. [20:39] which distro? [20:39] gymophett: That's nice. My point remains the same. [20:40] PathagenX (~Miranda@122.58.18.58) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:41] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:41] Razec (1000@187-27-219-117.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:42] gymophett: Other distros may be better for you then - I guess other distros go through more trouble to maintain ati driver functionality [20:42] Aldaron: how could Slackware do that? [20:43] It's a proprietary driver. Random changes happen all the time. Things break. [20:43] rworkman: xf86-input-wacom wasn't upgraded, it was added. :P [20:43] I just did aticonfig --overlay-type=opengl [20:43] NaCl: By making sure that at the time of distro releases, some driver version works, for example? ;). Yeah, lots of work, that driver version might not remain available etc [20:44] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [20:44] NaCl: I'm not saying it should be done, far from that [20:44] instead of ati --overlay-type=Xv [20:44] and it went through with it. [20:44] I simply didn't use an overlay. [20:44] I just set the driver in xorg.conf, and randr did the rest [20:44] gymophett: great if that works for you :). The overlay setting could afaik affect video playback somehow. Maybe you won't notice. [20:45] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-136-43.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:46] Aldaron: GL overlay works fine [20:47] Aldaron: if the implication is that Slackware should release around the whims of a proprietary product that's usually shitty anyway, well, NO. [20:47] NaCl: oops. [20:47] Aldaron: the fact that it even worked for me is a minor miracle [20:47] restarting *crosses fingers* [20:48] rworkman: no, certainly not! Neither should slackware seek to package or distribute a proprietary driver. (but these things could be done to help people using ati, and if I understand correctly, some distros do some work in that direction) [20:49] NaCl: yea, I know. My old laptop "died" when I installed new slackware, and there was no ati driver that would work. One would pretend to work, but that had a known bug of not working with old mobile radeons.. [20:50] ati supports only ubuntu, at that only to some degree. they only care releasing following ubuntu's release schedule [20:50] Back then, older slack / freeware driver weren't options, because I needed a computer for 3d programming work [20:50] at least afaik [20:50] sahk0: no [20:50] NaCl, ys [20:50] yes [20:50] Releases are monthly [20:50] so it's installed, and desktop effects are enabled. but i see no desktop effects. do i need to edit xorg.conf? [20:50] funn, x-server 1.7 has been out ~4 months, and ATI doesn't support it yet [20:50] You need to turn them on [20:50] want to bet how much they'll add support JUST before the next ubuntu release? [20:51] rworkman: that wouldn't happen to be what's in that -current update, would it? [20:51] yeah what thrice` is saying is what i thought so too [20:51] NaCl: they are turned on. [20:52] Guest60731 (~urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:52] is there another driver i can use instead? like the mesa drivers in fedora 12? [20:52] Depends on how old your card is [20:53] NaCl, x-server 1.7 is in -current now, yes :> [20:53] noooooo [20:53] Does it also have the radeonhd that can support the Radeon HD5770's? [20:53] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [20:54] is your web browser broken? ;) [20:54] ... [20:54] BECAUSE YOU'D BETTER GO CATCH IT! [20:55] ^5 [20:55] NaCl, I didn't think anything supported 57xx yet, but that's just heresay :> [20:55] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk0Ng [20:55] Apparently... [20:56] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:57] There's mentions of it in the ATI driver git changelog but there hasn't been a release in 6 months [20:57] wait [20:57] Action: NaCl takes that back [20:57] yeah, you might have to pull the tree and package it [20:57] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [20:57] I was trying to avoid that... [20:59] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:59] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-50-116.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Action: Tadgy does that sleep thing [21:01] Laters chaps. [21:02] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [21:02] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-sjichfphiupnowah) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:02] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [21:04] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-haqnqcwylkrvxqzg) joined ##slackware. [21:04] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:06] whats the ifup equivalant for slack? [21:07] farhat (~farhat@41.99.92.139) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:08] Cann0n: ifconfig eth0 up [21:08] thanks [21:08] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:11] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [21:11] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:11] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:14] jabuti (~jabuti@201009141075.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Quit: : [21:16] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Does this slackware update update X? [21:17] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] sortremord (~martin@187.5.235.51) joined ##slackware. [21:17] gymophett: slackware doesnt update things [21:17] hey Cann0n [21:18] gymophett, why can't you look for yourself? [21:18] hey sortremord [21:19] whatever. no need to be rude. leaving this distro. [21:19] bye. [21:19] gymophett (gareth@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:20] lol [21:20] lmao [21:20] we don't want people that expect automatic updates anyways... [21:20] zmyrgel (zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi) left ##slackware. [21:20] look mum, I am angry, I am leaving the Slackware community, rofl [21:20] \o/ [21:21] i don't hold grudges. it's better to love that loathe. [21:22] Aldaron: yes, some distros might do that. We won't :) [21:22] NaCl: yes, xorg-server-1.7.5 is in it [21:22] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:23] oh noes [21:23] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. 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[21:37] 8-) [21:37] Action: NaCl crumbles into many small pieces [21:37] Action: GooseYArd welcomes Delahunt to four hours ago [21:37] some of us have kids 8-P [21:37] ehehe [21:37] i neglect mine [21:38] GooseYArd: you can get money for childrens on the black market... [21:38] just saying... [21:38] they were having knife play time while i caught up on my news feeds [21:38] Action: Cann0n uses his spider web to swing back to offtopic [21:38] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:38] the good news is now i can delete about 75% of my hacked up packages [21:39] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:39] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:40] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:42] eos (eos@cpe-67-252-130-90.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. 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[22:13] Action: NaCl remembers why he ignored kdei [22:14] heh [22:14] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.24.45) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:14] and extra/aspell [22:18] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:19] zed_DX (~kvirc@189.164.123.88) joined ##slackware. [22:19] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:21] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [22:22] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [22:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] sweetandy (~sweetandy@unaffiliated/sweetandy) joined ##slackware. [22:25] I've got a friend who has sworn by slack since the nineties [22:25] that's nice [22:25] And after doing some research, I'm pretty sure that Slackware has the best sense of humor out of any distro out there [22:25] uh-huh [22:25] i don't... [22:25] better than swearing at it since the nineties :) [22:25] i think #ubuntu is far more amusing [22:26] heh [22:26] haah [22:26] haaa [22:26] yeah [22:26] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [22:26] Amusing, but less witty [22:27] dude. Ain't dat sum Changeloggin;? [22:27] #ubuntu is almost, but not quite, as scary as Yahoo! Answers [22:27] lol [22:27] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:28] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:28] lol [22:28] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:28] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [22:29] heh [22:29] Action: NaCl begins the Long Upgrade [22:29] Action: mrselfpwn checks if binutils is includes. [22:30] no [22:30] ay [22:30] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:31] sweetandy: well, aren't you sweet? [22:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:31] i likeu yahooi like yahoo answers... [22:31] I'm having a issue when compiling scanmem. libreadline could not be found, which is required to continue. [22:32] http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071021113419AAYCo66 [22:32] Guest19385 (~chatzilla@201.47.20.195.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:32] cant beat that [22:32] Which it is [22:32] mrselfpwn: install the readline package [22:32] first [22:32] rworkman: slackpkg is blowing up in my face [22:33] Cann0n: looks like a post you would make. [22:33] danc3: it is installed in slackware [22:33] mrselfpwn: well, it is on my system here... sounds like it isn't on yours.... [22:33] fire|bird: actually, someone posted in last week. i forgot who it was [22:33] dudes. I got so excited about -current http://i48.tinypic.com/11weblt.jpg [22:33] if I set LDFLAGS=/usr/lib then it doesn't even get that far and complains it can not make the executable. [22:33] mrselfpwn: ls /var/log/packages | grep readline [22:33] danc3: it is on mine. I've done that. [22:33] hmmm ok [22:34] it's in /usr/lib/ [22:35] someone suggested that after an update of binutils this was fixed as far as my second error when I do specify LDFLAGS [22:35] Nick change: Guest19385 -> murderfreak [22:36] configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [22:36] I'm not sure though. [22:36] what slackware? [22:36] -current up until the most recent updates, which i have not installed yet [22:37] 64 42? [22:37] 32 [22:37] 32 [22:37] CC=gcc does not help either as an export [22:38] NaCl: what's the error? [22:38] hut hut [22:38] rworkman: expr is blowing up because libgmp.so.10 isn't there [22:38] hike [22:38] and rsync on my desktop isn't cleaning up old files [22:38] Action: mrselfpwn passes the football to Cann0n. [22:39] NaCl: probably the mirror isn't complete yet. [22:39] Action: NaCl facepalms [22:39] Action: Cann0n runs the wrong way and scores a homerun for the other team [22:39] O.o [22:40] I think I'll wait a bit before I upgrade [22:40] 24 hours [22:40] The upgrade is going to take a while. My devel box has been upgrading packages for about 30 minutes now. [22:41] rworkman: I'm guessing init 1 is probably a good idea.. [22:41] To clarify, my box that hosts the devel vm images. It only gets updated when I feel like it since the box itself doesn't really do much. [22:41] Time to add a 2nd hamster to that box rworkman . [22:41] mrselfpwn: Maybe, but I didn't. :) [22:41] ay. :) [22:42] XGizzmo_: it's the Athlon 64 X2 6000+ [22:42] with 8GB of ram. It's not a monster, but it's not a sissy either. [22:43] It's the middle child. [22:44] I should upgrade my memory [22:44] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [22:44] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:44] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [22:44] murderfreak (~chatzilla@201.47.20.195.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:44] im gonna wait for a while until i upgrade too. probably during the weekend. this is too much to deal with at once [22:44] murderfreak (~chatzilla@201.47.20.195.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:45] hope i dont neglect putting libdevmapper in my custom elflibs package [22:45] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. 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[23:01] suid0: ola! [23:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:02] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:02] Greyhound_ (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [23:04] well, that didn't go so well ;) [23:04] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:04] rworkman, how things going? long time... [23:05] breast [23:05] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:06] ok, I lost all of my icons after updating :( [23:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] should tango have been rebuilt? [23:07] suid0: quite busy lately :) [23:07] thrice`: nope; all is fine here on multiple machines. [23:07] "Unrecognized icon format" [23:08] Make sure all the gtk stuff is updated, and run the stuff that runs at boot. Maybe reboot just for goo dmeasure [23:08] rworkman, let me get some sleep.. late here. talk later.. [23:08] I did, for the kernel. definitely every .new merged too (one was gtk related) [23:08] suid0: g'night; sleep well :) [23:09] Anybody else experience this with alienBOB's -current mirroring script? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/3OHa0S97.html running it on slack64-current [23:09] rworkman, thx, take care [23:09] night suid0 [23:10] it's xfce related, since window borders aren't drawn either [23:12] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:13] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:14] rworkman, sure? fresh user confirms xfdesktop is b0rked here [23:14] What happens? [23:14] it just complains that every button/icon it tries loading is an invalid format [23:14] hrm [23:15] gtk-close, gtk-copy, gtk-paste [23:15] happyslacker (~happyslac@71-20-52-214.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] happyslacker (~happyslac@71-20-52-214.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:17] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:19] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:20] I think I see the problem :/ [23:20] anything outside of rebuilding gtk? :> [23:20] er, rebuilding xfce* [23:20] when compiling a kernel using the old config, should it be ".config" or "config" in the source's folder? [23:20] sortremord, .config [23:21] .config [23:21] thanks [23:21] Actually, looks like gtk rebuild is it. Not sure, but it's apparently due to libpng upstream braindeadness. [23:21] Sweet [23:21] bash-4.1# update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders [23:21] g_module_open() failed for /usr/lib64/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14: undefined symbol: inflateReset [23:21] don't give me this "worksforme" crap :p [23:22] Well, I don't understand why it works for me on this lappy. I get that undefined symbol, but I have icons. [23:22] and does "make menuconfig" display what was set in the old config? (/boot/config) [23:22] Probably because my pixbuf loader update was done when all was fine. [23:22] because I run "make oldconfig && make menuconfig" [23:23] I just setup a chroot to rebuild xfce - I'll try rebuilding it [23:23] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] I'm rebuilding gtk here :/ [23:23] I was hoping to go to bed early :/ [23:24] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: laters [23:24] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:25] can /etc/hosts have multiple lines pointing the same ip address to diferent hostnames? [23:26] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:26] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] so...we have a work around for the libgmp.so.10 missing yet? [23:29] or is just a symlink to libgmp.so acceptable? [23:29] botnet, which package? [23:29] It's not missing. Your download isn't complete yet. [23:29] ..err all of them [23:29] usr/lib64/libgmp.so.10.0.1 [23:29] There's exactly one known bug right now, and that ain't it. Dont' create more. [23:29] so should i re-run slackpkg upgrade-all when this one finishes? [23:29] botnet: don't [23:30] botnet: wget the package, and tar xfv it to root [23:30] sortremord, when you run oldconfig you get a load of questions about the config which you must answer (or just hold enter down for a minute) [23:30] rworkman, mm, chicken/egg with the install script :> [23:30] StonedSlacker (~mudd@clt-69-171-167-50.evdo.leapwireless.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] Hey hey hey hey [23:30] rworkman: that's not a bug so much as slackpkg should upgrade that before anything else. [23:31] wait, so its not a bug that the standard upgrade procedure throws out tons of errors? [23:31] dive, yes, but I run "make oldconfig && make menuconfig", I was just wondering if "make menuconfig" shows in a menu the options I chose during "make oldconfig", does it do that? [23:31] I;m cruising the laptop that love builty, Thanks guys! [23:31] sortremord, it will usually show 'new' options [23:31] botnet, it's not, your mirror isn't completely synced yet [23:31] botnet: pkgtools needs expr, which needs libgmp [23:31] dive, ah okay, thanks. so I should use both? [23:31] ahh i see [23:31] upgradepkg should work fine [23:31] thrice`: it didn't [23:31] thanks [23:31] For me, anyway [23:32] sortremord, and the old options will still be there the way you set them as they were in previous build/config [23:32] sortremord, use old config for a kernel upgrade but pointless otherwise [23:33] thrice`: gmp definitely does need to be installed first, aaa_elflibs only contains libgmp.so.3.4.4 [23:33] s/old config/oldconfig [23:33] what package series is that under if you know offhand? [23:33] l [23:34] ahh i was lookign for libgmp... [23:34] thanks [23:34] np [23:34] sortremord, yes you use both [23:35] sortremord, is this a version upgrade or are you just recompiling the same/existing kernel? [23:36] rworkman, I don't think I'll be able to build without a working setup here, as the demos bail out with the same result [23:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] thrice`: Did you perform slackpkg install-new ? [23:43] yes, I'm almost 100% it isn't me :> [23:43] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-63-131-54-26.pit.onecommunications.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:43] I thought you had some icon problems. [23:43] I do, but I mean that the problem isn't with my setup, but with the package [23:43] None of the -new look like they are related [23:43] ahh [23:45] There's a problem with the gtk+2 package. We're working on it. [23:45] You wanted updates, and you got them. Now go play. [23:45] ;-) [23:45] lol [23:45] lol [23:45] evil [23:45] dive, it is an upgrade [23:45] sortremord, ok you need to do both then [23:46] rworkman: play indeed. :P [23:46] dive, what if it was a downgrade? [23:46] hmmm good question :P [23:46] probably the same [23:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:46] dive, oldconfig and menuconfig? [23:46] yes [23:47] rworkman: seeing thrice`'s problem too. [23:47] In the init scripts [23:48] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:48] mattgyver (~mattgyver@pool-71-178-119-81.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:48] Icon trouble is the worse so far? [23:48] use fluxbox :P [23:48] i'm using E17 [23:49] does that use gtk? [23:49] I'm guessing not though [23:49] mostly not i don't think [23:49] mrselfpwn: less slackpkg upgrade-all failing [23:49] no [23:50] dive: only some stuff if I chose [23:50] Well, i'm about to take the dive myself. [23:50] in init1 [23:52] Definitely libpng is the culprit. [23:52] mv libpng libfuckup [23:52] I can't get it to rebuild [23:52] Hint: 1.4.0 :) [23:53] stay tuned ... [23:53] I was using the patch; it builds, but fails trying to test (or build) the demos [23:53] rworkman: cyber riot? :P [23:54] can haz package? [23:54] noted. thanks rworkman [23:54] I'd prefer an in-person beatsthehelloutof [23:54] thrice`: I don't have a clean one [23:55] mm, actually, sleep might be a better idea :) [23:55] i'll just leave libpng out [23:55] tonight luka bratzia sleeps with the fishes [23:55] rworkman: ^^ [23:55] Works for me. [23:55] wicd isn't being happy now... [23:55] this is bad. [23:55] well, atleast I won't be bored. :D [23:57] Ok, now it's happy. [23:57] Action: NaCl goes *whew* [23:58] Action: Delahunt is merrily UPGRADE.TXT-ing -current [23:58] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:59] have fun :) [23:59] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Mar 2 2010