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[00:27] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:27] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:28] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:30] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:30] zaythan (~zaythan@156.sub-70-211-149.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:30] Hey guys what's up? [00:31] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:31] Hi! I, for one, am trying to decide whether I want to use Conkeror or rxvt-unicode, since apparently one version of X can't run both adequately. [00:32] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [00:32] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:32] Jennifur (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad [00:33] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:33] Hmmm I dunno don't use rxvt-unicode [00:34] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:35] But why wouldn't X be able to run um both?? [00:36] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:36] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:36] Have no idea. If I use Conkeror with X that ships with slack 13.1, I get hung GPU. So I upgraded to X 1.8.2, and now rxvt-unicode is not updating the screen properly, but Conkeror runs okay :) [00:37] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:37] cmk_zzz (~martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:38] s/Conkeror/Konqueror/ ;) [00:38] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:38] Hehehe well I suppose if it works [00:39] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:39] cmk_zzz (~martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:39] man, new kernel released today [00:40] i'm getting tired of all these updates [00:40] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:40] heh, that is why I stopped compiling my own kernels and just use the one pat provides because that one works for me just fine. [00:41] -sigh- its always something isn't it?? Does the new update make anything unstable in slack?? [00:41] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:41] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:41] dunno [00:41] it supposed to do better at spreading network traffing among cores [00:42] fire|bird: Bah, Conkeror is so much better than Konqueror :) [00:42] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:42] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Yah know this irc handler for my phone isn't that bad [00:43] not like network traffic causing CPU load has been an issue or anything :p [00:43] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:44] Hey packets can get heavy [00:44] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:44] ;-) [00:44] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [00:44] maybe doing better could make a difference under a load [00:45] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:45] that is possible, but the only time ive seen networking issues take down a box, was due to a DoS attack no form of core distribution was going to prevent :p [00:45] What would you be doing that would cause that much load...even the SMS servers don't get loaded down on tuesday [00:46] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:46] there are web servers out there that get hit pretty hard [00:46] also graphics processing& ever hear of blingee.com? [00:46] yeah, easily [00:46] that site has a nice cluster of back end processors to process the images [00:47] also DB servers generate a TON of load [00:47] someone posts a link to your site on a major outlet and you're gonna get nailed [00:47] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:47] happens all the time [00:47] zombiepumpkins.com is another example when its october :p [00:47] before i stopped working for the datacenter that site is in, i had the pleasure of turning his 1 server setup in to a cluster every october, hehe [00:47] touche I didn't think about that db servers don't do a bunch o network traffic [00:48] its not specifically the network stuff that causes the load :p [00:48] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:48] i mean, if you are doing a ton of packet inspection stuff, especially things at layer 7 in the kernel& it will cause load [00:48] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:49] in those cases it would be beneficial& but that is almost confined to people using linux boxes as a router [00:49] which in my opinion if your pushing enough traffic to cause load on newer boxes& its time to buy a real router :p [00:50] where there is load, there is latency [00:50] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:50] and where there is latency, there are unhappy geeks complaining of slow download speeds :p [00:50] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-144-10.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:51] After upgrading X, do you think I need to recompile Xft or fontconfig? [00:51] wouldn't think so [00:51] i have a new cluster, but i don't mind upgrading kernels before i go into production [00:51] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:51] but i don't like upgrading kernels when i'm not there [00:52] yeah [00:52] i don't either :p gets pretty tricky [00:52] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [00:52] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:52] i wish there was a way to try once [00:52] you should however really stress test your clusters when you upgrade kernels [00:52] I can't control my disk's acoustic mode now which means I also can't control the head parking [00:52] there was a nice lil regression in 35 beta that caused issues with sockets being opened [00:52] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:53] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:53] i tend to stick with distro released kernels, unless there is some wacky fix i REALLY need, and in that case i usually pull a patch and just patch what i got [00:53] no need to do a full replace in most cases [00:53] yeah, once i get something stable, i don't mess with it [00:53] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [00:54] actually wasn't it you that found the regression in the kernel? [00:54] nope [00:54] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:54] antiwire: Why do you need such precision control over the disk? [00:54] hmm, you must have been around talking about something else, lol [00:54] i coulda been [00:54] rirombo: Spare me the side stepping. [00:54] Haha antiwire is OCD [00:54] I know that thrice` is experiencing the same regression [00:55] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@h4x0r.gentoo.ltd.pl) joined ##slackware. [00:55] No, it is an issue with the latest hdparm [00:55] antiwire: its a very valid question&. and you aren't even telling us what your real problem is and how you have come to discover it [00:55] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:55] or CDO (alphabetized) [00:55] tenochslb (~ernesto@ppp-70-130-46-28.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] This channel is hilarious now. [00:55] tenochslb (ernesto@ppp-70-130-46-28.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [00:56] how is this hilarious? you show up complaining about not being able to park the heads on your hard drive, with no back information, and expect an answer? [00:56] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:56] gniks: you're good! [00:56] antiwire: *watches wistfully as that swooshes way above his head* ;) [00:56] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:57] cmk_zzz (~martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:57] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [00:58] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:58] heh [00:59] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:00] rirombo: the font thing -- yes [01:00] you may want to do that [01:00] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:00] gniks, how much you think "metro ethernet" is wholesale ? [01:00] Figures... thanks [01:00] to companies like speakeasy and others who provide those services [01:01] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:01] are you talking about the bandwidth or transit? [01:01] transit [01:02] isn't speakeasy like 300/mo [01:02] that usually depends on the length of run, and length of contract, and whether its IRU or shared fiber [01:02] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:02] http://www.speakeasy.net/service/broadband/ethernet/ [01:02] 3/3 mbit is 380 bux [01:02] the fiber is really cheap, like 37 cents/ft [01:03] yeah, thats obscene [01:03] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:03] you'd be better off getting fios [01:03] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [01:03] its when you light it, and start cross connect it is when it starts adding to the price [01:03] no, thats not what you would pay [01:03] Skywise, come convince verizon to take over att there [01:03] fios isn't exactly better off though either [01:03] depending on what you are trying to do [01:04] you can't get those fios rates on anything else [01:04] and the security requirements of your project [01:04] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:04] yeah, well verizon also has cancelled the expansion of their fios program [01:04] you don't want that...we have verizon...if you like fees beyond your wildest dreams, verizon is your choice [01:04] I am out take care all [01:04] its only a matter of time before it does off [01:04] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:04] gn zaythan [01:04] zaythan (~zaythan@156.sub-70-211-149.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [01:04] i think Skywise is on crack [01:05] verizon also as a transit provider is one of the most expensive in the industry and doesn't have that great of support [01:05] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:05] don't forget the $300+ cancellation fees, etc [01:05] i dont know why we're talking about fios. [01:05] thats cheap [01:05] and a long term contract for FSCK'ing HOME FONE [01:05] if you actually lease our OC lines from them, they will charge you the length of hte contract to cancel [01:06] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:06] s/our/an/ [01:06] i'm not gonna get exited about 3mb, when people are getting 20, 30+ [01:06] gniks: i'm talking about consumer use [01:06] and they're not paying hundreds [01:06] gniks: not even talking about business use [01:06] well his consumer use crosses over into business uses :p [01:06] and is what we were talking about, hehe [01:06] i was just wondering where the massive cost and how much you think it really costs the "reseller" of metro ethernet [01:06] i'm only 1500' from my co [01:07] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:07] the cost is all in the last mile [01:07] you have weird zoning in your city skywise [01:07] not always true [01:07] why is that [01:07] i pay $45 for my internet(introductory rate expired) [01:07] its some times more expensive to buy the gear to convert the signal in the last mile than it is to run it all the way [01:08] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:08] but if you have any concept of how older telco networks are setup and how the cable system was setup, you'd understand why the last mile is as it is today [01:09] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:09] in most cases, the infrastructure is already there for them to deliver the service to you& and it wouldn't make sense to change how that is done when what is there will deliver the service just fine [01:09] most providers have a dslam in the box [01:09] mannynix (~mannynix@200.52.210.225) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:10] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:10] the dslam is usually at the CO [01:10] and ATT and Verizon actually run fiber out to your block [01:10] yep [01:10] and its converted to copper on sight [01:11] the little green box out at the curb [01:11] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:11] or in our case, the green box on the side of your building [01:11] most of the time (depending on the setup of your block) that box is just a cross connect point [01:11] there isn't fancy hardware in there [01:12] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:12] just fiber converter router [01:12] yeah [01:12] transceivers ftw [01:13] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:13] att is gay [01:13] agreed [01:13] so is MPLS [01:13] my job is making me get MPLS certified :( [01:13] i hate that technology [01:13] its frame relay on steroids and crappy [01:14] i dont get if you quit or what [01:14] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:14] speakeasy is selling 20/20 for $1500/mo [01:14] i quit liquid web yes, but i work for a new company now in NYC :p [01:14] they use MPLS and MetroE and OC connections [01:14] i'd have to be running a co-location for that kinda money [01:15] Skywise, i'd have to be dying and needing 20/20 for that kind of money [01:15] thats reidculous [01:15] and 20up isn't enough to host a video conference [01:15] colocation for 20/20 ? [01:15] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:15] yeah, i'm saying thats what i'd have to do to pay $1500/mo [01:15] kohaku (~typhon@chello080109049167.2.14.univie.teleweb.at) joined ##slackware. [01:16] it doesn't make any kind sense financially [01:16] it doesn't make any sense [01:16] you're on crack [01:16] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:16] sure 20/20 is enough if you use multicast [01:16] i thought mbone went away [01:16] it makes perfect sense for a dedicated line for a bank or other type of institution that only need limited internet connectivity if any at all, and connection back to their head offices [01:17] Business Ethernet - 20x20 $1525 [01:17] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:17] mbone's not going away anytime soon [01:17] dood i can get a gig PTP for 3k, why would i pay 1500 for 20/20 ? [01:17] just like 90% of the testbed crap out there [01:17] thats what speakeasy charges for their business ethernet [01:17] Skywise: usually thats only the commit rate &. and you get charged per Meg afte that [01:17] and thats the fastest they offer [01:18] i bet if you call them up, they will have better offers [01:18] no [01:18] i have [01:18] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:18] eh, then you should be talking to other providers [01:18] they're owned by bestbuy now, they used to compete, but i think they're just milking their name [01:18] local fiber services in your area [01:19] probably [01:19] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:19] bah humbug [01:19] dfrank (~dfrank@94.19.35.79) joined ##slackware. [01:19] hello All. I have netbook HP Mini 2133 with resolution 1280x600. X-window works fine, but at text console still wrong resolution. i can't find correct mode number, i have searched in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers , but there's no my resolution. tell me please, where should i look for? [01:19] dfrank (~dfrank@94.19.35.79) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [01:19] 1280x600? thats an odd resolution [01:19] widescreen [01:20] yeah, but thats still odd to me :\ [01:20] its a netbook [01:20] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:20] oh, missed that part :p [01:20] are there laws preventing getting fiber to a certain location, lets say to like 5 big condo buildings and then wiring fiber to each one from a location in one of those 5 ? [01:20] stupid smaller screens making my look weird [01:20] jeev, no just policy [01:20] yes there are [01:20] the only issues with that jeev is the right of way of the land in which the fiber needs ran [01:20] they don't like to put fiber in without replacing the copper [01:21] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:21] i mean if there are 5 buildings on one or two blocks [01:21] why would you replace coper to put in fiber [01:21] that makes no sense [01:21] and most buildings won't swap over [01:21] cause they want to capture the place [01:21] you can't "swap" over [01:21] the buliding has to be ran with copper [01:22] sure, fiber to the phone room and adsl2 [01:22] lemme know when you find an apt building with fiber that wasn't built that way [01:22] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:22] im living in one skywise [01:22] and we have fiber [01:22] fios and a 3rd party [01:22] and cable, and dsl [01:22] all offered here [01:22] wow [01:22] i cant believe it's so difficult [01:22] its not technically [01:22] its not if you chalk up the cash [01:23] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:23] it's not technically dificult - it's known as consumerism - and whatever the company can soak the customer for [01:23] i thought that was capitalism? :p [01:23] i know some serious people [01:23] they're always tearing up the streets laying fiber around here [01:23] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:23] but its not going to any apt building [01:23] its probably for back bone services [01:24] i know people paying a buttload for crap, i bet if i talk to them i can change the entire block [01:24] capitalism is free market in action - consumerism is what the customers will allow the companies to charge them. look at MS products [01:24] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:24] well the MS product issues is the lack of computer literate people able to use linux [01:24] well no one knows the value of a dollar anyway [01:24] or other open source systems [01:25] ms is around cause they have a strangle hold on the major manufacturers [01:25] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:25] am0rphis (~qwe@91.145.195.61) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:25] gniks: not quite - it's MS brainwashing people into thinking that they can't switch without having to learn crap. then look at MS products again :) [01:25] well thats partially true& they just try and make it more expensive as well... [01:26] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:26] there is a man power cost, and in most cases, you either need to replace your MS guys, or higher linux ones on top of them [01:26] ive not met a microsoft admin who can admin linux [01:26] im sure there are some out there, but i've yet to meet them [01:27] the MS admin's I've run across that also know linux learned unix first, then were forced to learn MS [01:27] if you can admin unix why slum for ms [01:27] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:27] because MS jobs pay the bills for most people [01:27] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:27] back to the brainwashing that MS did to corporations [01:27] ok skywise is officially on crack [01:27] the unix places usually pay better then ms [01:27] that's like the 8th retarded thing he's asid [01:27] said [01:27] he's usually 10% near point [01:27] but today, he's -10% [01:28] i think thats more a reflection on you [01:28] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:28] nope [01:28] microsoft also has a stranglehold on the email market, as for enterprise email all in one apps, nothing really comes close to the reliability (i use this term lightly) and functionality of exchange [01:29] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:31] really? [01:31] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:31] not even lotus notes or horde? [01:31] horde died for one [01:31] and is horrible [01:31] it did? [01:31] the only thing that comes close is Zimbra [01:31] that sucks [01:32] yes it did [01:32] and it still lacks [01:32] when [01:32] long time ago [01:32] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:32] like its still around, but its not widely used to my research [01:33] mail.ucla.edu uses horde [01:33] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:33] you mean horde/imp ? [01:33] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:33] yeah [01:33] i like it [01:33] i use it with cyrus [01:33] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-144-10.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:33] cyrus blows [01:33] ucla is odd [01:33] wow [01:34] you guys must pratically be running the innernets [01:34] i do actually [01:34] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:34] as does alisonken1home [01:34] awesome [01:34] i have a few cages? [01:34] that counts [01:34] lol [01:34] yay [01:34] Action: jeev null routes Skywise [01:35] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:35] liberman's kill switch [01:35] lol the DNSEC killswitch is silly [01:36] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:36] gniks: actually, it's alisonken1noc or alisonken1lap :) alisonken1home just veggies out [01:36] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:36] hahah [01:36] to many of you [01:36] gotta get rid of a few of ya ;) [01:36] yeah, now we need a facility to rebuild the root zone for dnssec [01:36] well this is what that is [01:37] however, they say the internet will cease to run, which isn't true [01:37] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:37] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: rally 'round the family. Pocket full o'shells [01:37] http://www.endoftheinternet.com/ [01:37] especially as most resolvers don't hit the roots after a few hours of being online [01:38] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:38] that wouldn't matter because in either case it can always be reassigned as long as everyone agrees [01:38] after all the net is a peerage [01:38] if the roots certs are compromised, they will be shut down, this much is sertain [01:39] but you can disable DNSSEC on your zones [01:39] right [01:39] but for that to work, you need to skip lookups at the roots [01:39] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:39] well, you can setup your own roots if you want to as well [01:39] and at the TLD's in most cases, but if the TLD's are still running, and you remove you DS records form them as well [01:39] you can bypass the "shutdown" [01:39] yeah, i should start caching those [01:40] but knowing how the government works, they won't really allow that to happen [01:40] incase someone does try a shut down [01:40] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:40] its the next "terrorist" attack ;) [01:40] yeah, i love how liberman wants to be able to shut down the us like china [01:41] nevermind that everyone in the world is 1 hop out of the country via sat [01:41] thank god for privatization of the internet in the US [01:41] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:41] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:41] sat communications are horrible for linking countries [01:41] the latency is insane [01:41] they're slow, but thats how the first reports from haiti got out [01:42] they are nice "backups" [01:42] it was the only link that didn't go down to anyone who had power [01:42] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:42] im sure they would have to realign the dish at least [01:42] that was a massive earthquake that shifted the ground there [01:42] or pick it up off the ground [01:42] lol [01:43] yeah, i cried when i heard about the quake [01:43] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:43] i used to go there as a child, and i knew everything was only built out of unreinforced concrete blocks [01:43] you could push them over if you leaned hard enough [01:43] Skywise, do you know what you blame for that ? [01:43] sounds like they should invest in steel [01:44] lol [01:44] greegnorance. [01:44] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:44] they couldn't afford decent cement [01:44] their port sank [01:44] rock is rock if you put steel in it [01:44] and their only port crane fell into the bay [01:44] reinforcing steel is expensive [01:44] ours would too if we got hit like that [01:45] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:45] if you KNEW we would die in 2012, what would you spend your monies on ? [01:45] how many times has LA burned down before they learned all their lessons :p [01:45] they basically use cinderblocks [01:45] Skywise would get penile elargement [01:45] lulz [01:45] well the problem with haiti is that they're just about the poorest country around [01:46] i have a gf, she's all the enlargment i need [01:46] sounds like htey need a cash crop or a job [01:46] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:46] oh so she's obese/ [01:46] i don't think its that simple [01:46] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:46] people do like obese people, why be bigoted [01:46] well someone in the world has to get the short end of the stick, just so happens its not me [01:46] lol [01:47] ahaha some fat comedian is like [01:47] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:47] she's like "i dont know why they call guys who like fat chicks chubbie chasers, i promise i dont run" [01:47] or something like that [01:47] well, they can't change their country any more then the north koreans can change their gov't [01:47] why can't they? [01:47] we did [01:47] wheres there? [01:48] at the time, we went up against the world power [01:48] the strongest forces in the world [01:48] and we won [01:48] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:48] let's just say we didn't lose [01:48] so why can't they break away from their won chains or whatever they are being held back by ? [01:48] gniks, that's because everyone assumed the brits were strong but it was just a fantasy, like how america is now [01:48] mid over matter [01:49] we beat the brits cause all the other european powers consipred against them [01:49] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:49] we couldn't of beaten anyone without the french [01:49] no one said they were liked :p [01:49] we didn't even have a navy [01:49] and knowing the US, we would get into WW3 to help them [01:50] it's easy to win in your own lands, just ask the iraqi's and afghani's [01:50] north korea is a chinese problem [01:50] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:51] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:51] the reason the chinese prop up north korea is that if north korea ever collapses, then they're all gonna swam into china [01:51] and they don't want the refugees [01:51] they won't go south cause they believe the us soldiers will try to eat them [01:52] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:53] no one in this hemisphere cares about n korea [01:53] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:53] afganistan isn't a military problem [01:53] until they start testing balistic missiles [01:53] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5A20.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:54] we should pull out and just send in seal teams and drones to strike [01:55] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:55] the tribal leaders primary source of income is bribes from powers trying to control them [01:56] so they take money from the taliban, the us, anyone who wants to believe they can buy influence [01:56] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:57] thats the only economy out there, its not like theres any industry [01:57] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [01:59] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [01:59] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:00] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:00] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:00] http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:hr1553ih.txt.pdf enjoy light reading, US says it's got israel's back for when they're ready to aim at iran for doing nothing [02:00] ;) [02:01] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:02] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:02] i'm hoping theres an earthquake that swallows everything from turkey to egypt [02:03] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:03] that's sparing iran and swallowing israel...... [02:04] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:04] fine, make it 2 then [02:05] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:06] i wish an earthquake would happen all over the world killing zionists, leaving jews, muslims, christians and even those weird scientific people in peace knowing there isn't a group lying to EVERYONE [02:06] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:06] hmm [02:07] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:07] all those douches do is exploit jews and deceive the idiot christians to think the muslims are out to get them. [02:07] oh [02:08] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:08] well the guys doing that do suck [02:08] welcome to the ignorance and close mindedness of humanity [02:08] but they do it really well [02:08] kind of like Al Jazerra? [02:08] i thought al jazerra was impartial [02:08] Al Jazerra is controlled by the crazy groups in that part of the world [02:08] impartial till they are threatened [02:09] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:09] i would think thats cause the nutters there carry out their threats [02:09] ken, i'd rather watch al jazerra than fox news. [02:09] I don't watch fox [02:09] fox is bizarro news [02:10] I think of fox like I think of reality tv shows [02:10] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:10] fox blows [02:10] they have the same journalistic standards [02:10] they cancel all their good shows, and then bring them back, then the shows suck [02:11] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:11] i don't watch network programming [02:11] except for live sports, but thats not network programming [02:12] anyone care to set a wager that most humans would die in the world? (cant say world would end because there would be some people surviving) if they attack iran, especially with nukes ? i think china and russia will PMS [02:12] no its worse [02:12] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:12] no [02:12] isreal has attacked iran's reactor before [02:12] and everyone fusses about it but are relieved cause they didn't wanna have to deal with it anyway [02:13] whats worse gniks [02:13] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:13] Skywise, i mean all out war [02:13] sports [02:14] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:14] all i know is that ahmadinejad is either a puppet or extremely smart but i fully believe he doesn't have nukes and isn't heading towards nukes. [02:14] he plays to the people who keep him in power [02:15] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.166.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:15] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:15] i think if israel attacks, it'll be in the next two years [02:15] then we will be dragged in for no reason and more americans will die for israel's cause like in afghanistan and iraq [02:16] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:16] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:16] i don't think there will be such a proxy war [02:17] AndChat- (~PiterPunk@189.96.171.213) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:17] and what would be the reaction if israel is the one that get's attacked? [02:17] i believe it, the documents are set. the resolution passed.. [02:17] AndChat- (~PiterPunk@189.96.171.213) left irc: Client Quit [02:17] alisonken1lap, if israel gets attacked, i'll say wow. you did it again. [02:17] if they get attacked, they did it to themselves for more sentiment from the "world" [02:17] who's gonna attack them [02:18] they're the most dangerous country over there [02:18] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:18] alisonken1lap, just cause israel or the u.s. says iran's building nukes doesn't mean they're building nukes. [02:18] infact, a lot of nations say things about israel and you ignore them, call them anti-semites. [02:18] they're not [02:18] they're trying to refine fissile material, but are aways off [02:19] if israel gets nujked, they did it themselves.. but they wont nuke themselves, they'll nuke us. they own our airports, i'm sure they've imported everything in here, enough to blow it and "source" it to iran, then we go to war with iran. [02:19] the problem is the centrifuges are finnicky and easily damaged [02:19] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:19] Skywise: not just the centrifuges [02:19] you keep believing the only country that hasn't signed a NPT, that wont let inspectors, that doesn't do shit. only human rights violations and mutes them so we dont hear about them, then you just think about a "crazy" guy who never said what they claim he said. [02:20] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:20] i think that we need to get the nukes out of pakistan, but they think india will attack them [02:20] piterpk (~PiterPunk@187.119.56.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:20] Skywise, we cant get nukes out of anywhere, whoever has it has it. whoever wants to get it will get it. [02:20] last I checked, israel is not the country that's wokring on blowing us back to allah [02:21] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:21] i wouldn't bet on it [02:21] right alisonken1lap, keep drinking the kool-aid they have you on. it's like an IV [02:21] isreal has sunk more of our ships then any muslim nation has [02:21] i dont remember the last time iran tried to blow anything back to "allah" but i do remember celebrating israeli's, deported israeli's, spying israeli's on and around 9/11. [02:22] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:22] perhaps their first attempt (lavon affair) wasn't enough, they pulled off a second one which fucked us royally in the mid-east, thousands of american troops dead, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of arabs dead in the mid-east, FOR WHAT. [02:23] at any rate - this conversation should probably be moved to the offtopic channel [02:23] alisonken1lap, get some real jew friends and listen to what they say about their own government, you'd be surprised. [02:23] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:23] probably no worse than the people here talking about their government [02:24] i'm ready for bed [02:24] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:24] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:24] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:24] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] algol (~algol@121.0.29.227) joined ##slackware. [02:24] algol (algol@121.0.29.227) left ##slackware ("‚»"). [02:25] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:27] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [02:27] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:28] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:28] my ass is itching [02:28] umm [02:28] ... [02:29] scratch it? [02:29] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:29] i guess [02:29] lulz [02:29] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-211.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:29] im just gonna leave it at that [02:30] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:31] i still need to get to the root of this metro ethernet situation [02:31] well metro ethernet seems to be out of your price range, and overkill [02:31] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:31] you should look at an MPLS, or one of your other options [02:32] MPLS is supposed to be cheaper than leased lines [02:32] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:32] really [02:32] yeah [02:32] isn't mpls shared? [02:32] its a virtual private circuit [02:33] like frame relay but better [02:33] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:34] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:34] it also usually has a bit of redundancy built in [02:35] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:36] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:36] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Hi. [02:36] hi [02:37] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:42] Last message repeated 5 time(s). [02:42] Quiet.. [02:42] yup [02:43] you missed the earlier discussion about israel than [02:43] then [02:43] fortunately for riza [02:43] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:43] o.o... [02:44] alisonken1lap, Israel! An unlikely conversation here.. I take it that people here don't... like Israel? [02:44] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:44] there's a few :) [02:44] riza's one of those who still thinks bin laden was behind 9/11 [02:44] oh its not that we don't specifically like it, more of crazy people push the crazy convos [02:44] lulz [02:45] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:45] all i know is that [02:45] with the amount of morons in the u.s., i need something to sell them, to take advantage of their stupidity. [02:45] like a pill that guarantees them protection from terrorism. [02:46] red pill or the blue pill? [02:46] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:46] it'll be vitamin C, i'll name it PYSFT protect yourself from terrorists, if you die from an attack, we'll cover your funeral expenses [02:46] gniks, rainbow color.. to say that we support gays too [02:46] lulz, the gays will be happy about that [02:46] gniks: I think he missed the reference :) [02:46] i think so too [02:47] is anyone using vdpau with mplayer on KDE with X composite enabled, and if so is it working right for you? [02:47] i dont take viagra [02:47] i dont know of a red pill [02:47] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:47] thats actually a blue pill [02:47] jeev: you missed "The Matrix" then [02:47] and yeah, what alisonken1lap said [02:47] dood, i dont remember the matrix. what the hell [02:48] i saw it like a decade ago [02:48] Action: gniks revokes jeev's geek card [02:48] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:48] i forgot everything before 9-11. they told me the terrorists are out to get me so that's all i think about nowadays! [02:48] you're out to get you [02:48] you're the terrorist [02:49] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:49] gniks, i have been known to leak gas.. out of my ass [02:49] ewwwww [02:49] might wanna fix that leak and plug it up [02:49] gniks, it's not a leak.. it's a valve [02:50] well glue it shut [02:50] or use a valve cap [02:50] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:50] possibility that he got the same valve cap as bp did? [02:50] lulz [02:50] most likely [02:50] jhw (~jhw@p548D7527.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] they should recall those [02:51] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:51] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [02:51] AlexElliott (~alex@2002:3e1f:a475:1234:21e:68ff:fe9b:9499) joined ##slackware. [02:51] alisonken1lap, i produce enough ass-gas where BP came to me in hopes of restoring their public image with my renewable fuel. [02:51] gross [02:51] tmi [02:51] wtmi [02:52] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:52] what the hell [02:53] how is that too much info [02:53] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:53] not so much as tmi, but tmgi (to much gross information) [02:54] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:55] i dont care, i can be prince with all the money they offered [02:56] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:56] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-41-198.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:56] Hi all. [02:56] hi [02:56] AppDeb_ (~AppDeb@195.74.237.225.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:57] AppDeb (~AppDeb@195.74.237.225.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:57] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [02:57] Nick change: AppDeb_ -> AppDeb [02:58] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:01] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [03:01] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [03:01] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:03] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [03:03] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:04] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:04] Just trying to think. [03:05] What would someone visiting a computer science website be looking for? [03:05] are you trying to be a student? [03:05] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:05] What do you mean? [03:05] I am a student. [03:05] so your a computer science student? [03:05] are you looking compsci websites to see what courses are offiered? [03:05] Action: rirombo just loves that GNU Screen uses NetHack messages. [03:06] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [03:06] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:06] alisonken1lap, nope.. I just wanna make my website more academic. [03:06] ah [03:06] id want to know what courses are offered, the paths i can take to get my degree, any projects the university is working on, who the instructors are and dean on the department and what he has accomplished in the industry [03:06] For example, check out - http://www.rhisa.com/sites/default/files/rhisaread/cheat.pdf [03:07] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-41-198.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:07] gniks, check that out, see what I mean by academic. [03:07] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:07] lulz [03:07] thats great for theory classes [03:07] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-100-134.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:07] I understand a few of that stuff in that link, which to me is very fascinating. [03:07] Yeah I'm a compsci student though. [03:07] The theory is what is put to use later on. [03:07] but unless your actually a student there or looking as a googler for such information, it wouldn't be very useful [03:07] Most of science start out as a theory before being applied. [03:07] but it is useful to have anyway [03:07] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] right [03:07] all science does [03:08] Oh, I thought you were being condescending, "it's just a theory". [03:08] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:08] oh no [03:08] i love me some compsci theory [03:08] shell-fu (~shell-fu@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: shell-fu [03:08] not that particular one :p [03:09] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:09] there really wasn't much on Western Michigan Universities compsci site in the way of technical info [03:09] thats where i went [03:10] Hm... [03:10] You are a compsci student too? [03:10] but it was given to the students through a portla [03:10] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:10] portal [03:10] ive finished [03:11] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:11] Nice. [03:11] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-211.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:11] i did my comp science degree there, then a more specific network engineering degree at a small private univeristy while i worked in MI [03:12] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:13] MI? [03:13] michigan [03:13] Ooh. [03:13] Are sources for all the slackware packages available somewhere? [03:13] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:13] yes, should be avail on all the mirrors, and on the DVD and on the source CD you can download [03:14] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:14] eavesdrop (devnull@SDF.ORG) joined ##slackware. [03:14] Excellent, thanks! [03:15] np [03:15] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:15] bacal (~default@cpe-70-95-181-49.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:15] rirombo, try the OSU site... [03:15] Hrmm... somehow, source/x doesn't have nearly the number of packages [03:15] Will try OSU [03:15] http://slackware.osuosl.org/ [03:16] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:16] Action: rirombo should have went to OSU instead of PSU; OSU hosts all kinds of Linux stuff. [03:16] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5A20.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:17] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:17] riza: i haven't used any of the theory you linked since class :p [03:17] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:17] Ah, I think they put everything under a subdirectory x11/ [03:18] gniks, I plan to do my PhD. [03:18] So I will. [03:18] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:18] how the packages are built, doesn't necessarily coinside with the number of packages [03:18] hehe yeah, i won't be doing that, haven't even thought of doing a masters :p [03:18] Why not? [03:18] not all gui apps are under x/ [03:18] a lot are under xap/ [03:18] im happy with what im doing, don't really care to go into theoretical science [03:19] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:19] rirombo: take glibc for an example& its all built in one source tree, but generates several packages [03:19] gniks: Ah, I see [03:19] yeah, its not very clear :p [03:20] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:20] riza: ive thought about doing my masters at MSU (Michigan State University) but i wasn't impressed with the dude i spoke to [03:21] gniks, what happened? [03:21] he really wasn't helpful [03:21] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:21] Hm, who was he? [03:21] he treated me as if i was just a random person looking to do a masters, and that they didn't need me to be a student [03:21] Maybe I ought to wait for rworkman and see if he happens to have a precompiled libXft for his updated version of X... [03:21] i mean, sure im a random person ot them, but im a potential "client" [03:21] gniks, strange. [03:22] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:22] and he didn't know a lot about the classes id have to retake possibly and he didn't talk up the program at all [03:22] Actually I don't think you are a client, as you still pay for your Master's. They might've treated you better if you were planning to do PhD as they usually pay for that. [03:22] which left me feeling like the program would have been a waste of my time anyway [03:22] oh, im definitly a client, even undergrads are [03:22] we are paying them [03:22] I don't know then. [03:22] Here we get paid to go to school, esp if we do our PhD. [03:23] And the people are very helpful. [03:23] I think medicine and education are a couple of areas where capitalism starts to break down [03:23] college is a business , a bit more so than it is an educational facility [03:23] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:23] just a bit [03:23] i agree [03:23] Well, and of course things like police force and military [03:23] military knows no bounds of money constraints [03:24] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:24] That's cause in the military, science development go really far. [03:24] Surgery, internet, etc all come from the military. [03:25] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:25] yeah [03:25] a lot of advances came from the space era as well [03:25] Yep. [03:25] I have nothing but respect for the military. [03:25] advances in medicine didn't really start to take off until the civil war [03:26] i have respect for them, i however don't respect what they are doing [03:26] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:26] Ah well, politicians then, blame them. [03:26] oh i do [03:26] however, i also blame 1) the people that join, no one is forcing them 2) the people of the US who stand by and let stupid people do stupid things [03:26] gniks, http://mpls-experts.com/blog/?p=66 <- lame [03:26] Yeah lots of blame but not much can be done. [03:27] Breads and circuses. Ever heard that term? [03:27] this is a country that is supposed to be ran by the people, not the group of idiots elected [03:27] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:27] oh lots can be done [03:27] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-8-71.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:27] it involves a lot of work though [03:27] it's a representative republic not a democracy [03:27] gniks, this country aint run by the group of idiots elected, it's run by AIPAC [03:28] jeev: i beg to differ with that article [03:28] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:28] upload speeds are negotiable [03:28] i wonder what the prices look like [03:28] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-41-198.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:28] and recovery SLA times are actually lower mainly because failed circuits are less likely as built in redundancy is available with no added cost [03:29] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:29] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:29] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:29] lpx (~lpx@c-76-126-82-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:30] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:31] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Ordering AT&T MPLS Private Network Transport Services is simple. [03:31] they have a calculation website [03:31] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] i put 1.5m(t1) between two locations and it came up 1200 bux. [03:32] https://businessesales.att.com/pntorder/pnt_order_configuration.jhtml [03:32] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:33] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:33] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:33] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:33] Nick change: lpx -> help [03:33] Nick change: help -> Guest1391 [03:34] nice [03:34] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:34] your cheapest options are going ot be business DSL and Cable [03:34] your coolest options are MetroE and MPLS [03:35] so when they ask you for locations for MPLS.. [03:35] Nick change: Guest1391 -> lpx [03:35] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:35] if it's 1 place, just 1 location? or is it more like a PTP [03:35] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5A20.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] yeah should be [03:35] coredumb1 (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [03:36] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:36] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] why do they call it t1 on everything [03:37] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:37] cause they are are marketing morons [03:37] or they are referring to the speed of a T1 [03:37] lpx (~lpx@c-76-126-82-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:37] however, you can run MPLS over a T1 loop [03:38] MPLS works on layer 2 and 3 [03:38] which allows a lower signal level [03:38] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:38] s/level/layer [03:38] why do they affiliate MPLS and VPN together often ? [03:38] since it's considered PTP and you'd want to vpn [03:38] because it is essencially a VPN [03:38] its a shared network, but your traffic is invisible to everyone else [03:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:39] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:39] they are virtual circuits within the network like frame relay [03:39] oh so it sucks. [03:39] well, thats a matter of opinion [03:39] i personally don't like MPLS, but when in a bind for money :p [03:39] its cheaper [03:40] bacal (~default@cpe-70-95-181-49.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: bacal has no reason [03:40] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:40] but im used to very high end enterprise service and having the budget to do what i want [03:41] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:42] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:42] what methods does ATT provide to hull MPLS to you? [03:43] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:43] eh/ i have no idea about anything yet [03:44] so how much bandwidth do you even need? [03:44] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:45] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:45] dood mpls is seeming to be more expensive than a t1. [03:45] i'd like to get a realistic quote on 5/5 for a single location [03:45] then i can work on 20 other locations [03:45] a T1 isn't technically a leased line [03:45] g4tsu (~g4tsu@41.146.194-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] i was comparing it with leased lines [03:46] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:46] your either going to want MPLS, or some standard internet service for that, unless you have a place you can aggregate leased lines [03:47] i wish i had att by the balls like A*PAC has congress [03:47] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:47] and main stream media [03:47] lol [03:47] Nick change: riza -> miss_riss [03:47] archcezar (1000@acsp152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:47] it's just bullshit to want to utilize a decent network at decent pricing [03:47] especially with knowing the cost of bandwidth these days [03:48] stupid last mile and unnecessary repeaters [03:48] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:48] edthix (~ed@124.13.33.213) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:48] the bandwidth costs are usually separate than the lines :P [03:48] http://www.towerstream.com/index.asp?ref=promo&promo_id=7188 look at those jokes. [03:48] 8 mbit 800 bux, are you fin kidding me [03:48] over wimax. [03:48] if i had the ability to do wimax, i'd sell bandwidth for 3 x what it costs me, not 40 [03:49] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:49] archcezar (1000@aes160.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:49] lol [03:49] g4tsu (~g4tsu@41.146.194-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:49] g4tsu (~g4tsu@41.146.194-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:51] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:51] liquid web was talking about setting up a dslam in lansing, mi and providing dsl to local residents [03:51] how do you set up a dslam if you dont own the copper [03:52] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:52] most peopel don't own the copper [03:52] you pay for telco cross connects [03:52] which is part of the access fees for your internet service [03:53] yea but i dont think you have to set up a dslam [03:53] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:53] yeah you do [03:53] you become a CLEC to petition the local telco for access to their building, and then you setup your gear, and petition them for cross connects to their lines [03:53] ah at the central office ? [03:53] i was mixing it up with VRAD [03:53] yeah [03:54] DSLAMs are at the CO [03:54] that stupid device att puts on blocks to give shittier internet service [03:54] i'm like are you crazy, setting up vrad's just to resell dsl [03:54] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:54] Patero-ng (~hp@174-23-46-96.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!hp@*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:54] Patero-ng kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, you are not welcom e here. [03:54] lol [03:54] o.o [03:54] they gotta give you shitty service to provide you with upgrades lol [03:54] which cost more money [03:55] first hop to att on dsl that's not being utilized, 50ms [03:55] total to google in lax, 65. [03:55] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:55] thats insane [03:55] i can get less than that from NYC to LA [03:55] around 50ms [03:55] ATT in michigan is actually good [03:55] like time warner in michigan sucks [03:55] nyc to la, 50ms ? [03:55] yeah [03:56] light is an amazing thing [03:56] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:56] yup [03:56] also keep in midn that when you do a trace [03:56] your latency is the control plane of the router [03:56] so that router might be busy [03:56] especially since you are in LA [03:57] it may just not be able to generate the ICMP reply fast enough yet your standard data is going through fine [03:57] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:57] you should use httping and ping a site in MI kingrst.com for example [03:57] and it will give you a bit more accurate readings [03:57] but all teh way up to layer 7 [03:57] not just layer 3 [03:57] yea i know icmp is gay [03:57] did you know ICMP doesn't work in MPLS networks? lol [03:58] nope, apparently MPLS seems like it's something i should avoid [03:58] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:58] its actually nifty [03:58] if you want frame relay functionality without the shitty frame relay [03:59] but frame relay doesn't deal with IPs [03:59] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [03:59] so it doesn't reply to icmp going through it [03:59] only the enter and exit device will reply [03:59] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-68-82.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [04:00] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:01] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:01] cant sleep [04:01] starcraft 2 time [04:01] haah [04:02] don't wanna talk networks with me? [04:02] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:02] no [04:02] yuou've upset me with MPLS talk [04:02] lame [04:02] it's like flashing a hot girl in front of me then taking her away and telling me her tits are fake [04:02] lulz [04:03] no one cares if they are fake [04:03] they just care that they can touch em [04:03] I ABSOLUTELY DO [04:03] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:03] chop chop [04:03] so ladies if your belly button aint an innie then i'm outtie. [04:03] time to own [04:03] wow [04:04] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:05] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:05] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:06] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5A20.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:06] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:07] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:07] Hm. [04:07] If it's of any interest to anyone - http://www.rhisa.com/gallery/photo [04:07] I added panzer's photos and would like more if you can provide more. [04:08] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:13] Last message repeated 4 time(s). [04:13] What amazes me is how misogynyst geeks can be... Discussing whether it's okay for a woman to have fake tits or not? Or a belly button that's faced the wrong way?! [04:13] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:13] rirombo, you'd be surprised. [04:13] Especially at the things he has said to me and others. [04:14] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:15] I can only imagine :\ [04:15] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:16] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:16] Discussing tits is a man thing [04:16] get over it you pussy. [04:16] Thanks in advance. [04:16] .. [04:17] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:17] misogynyst geeks? plese [04:17] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5A20.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Nicce (~Nicke@ip-163-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:18] Hm is anyone here for assistance on writing sbo package? I wish to write one now, I know one that would be of good use for Muslim folks like myself. [04:18] miss_riss, look at mkslack. [04:18] mkslack? [04:19] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:19] it will generate stuff for you, you'll just have to customize. [04:20] I can't find the mkslack in sbo. [04:20] google helps [04:20] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:20] miss_riss: http://tinyurl.com/2ak4xmg [04:20] lol [04:20] No surrounder. [04:20] I was looking in man and sbo. [04:20] Action: eavesdrop slaps forehead [04:20] I dont know whyyyyyyyyy I join freenode. [04:21] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:21] eavesdrop, to eavesdrop? [04:22] apparently [04:22] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:24] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:24] morning [04:24] Alright, so I got it. Seems easy enough. I would be able to submit the sbo package to get it accepted with mkslack? [04:24] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:24] Interesting. [04:25] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:25] Morn [04:26] Morning Zordrak. [04:26] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:27] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:27] Wow, it's really as simple as running mkslack -b /stuffhere? [04:27] Then just editing it afterwards. I wish I paid more attn and wrote this program then. ;_; [04:28] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:29] can anyone enlighten me what the difference between /etc/ppp/options and /etc/ppp/options.demand is? [04:29] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:30] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [04:30] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:31] dial on demand is a slighty different protocl than basic dialup [04:32] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:32] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:32] options.demand is for dial on demand, obviously. [04:33] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:33] morning /6 [04:34] Refused telnet@phra.gs (invalid handle: g0v) [04:34] sap [04:34] Morning phra. [04:34] phrag [04:34] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-198-233.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:35] If you're setting up dial up slav_dp, ignore options.demand [04:35] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-198-233.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:37] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@h4x0r.gentoo.ltd.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:37] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423799.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:37] eavesdrop, well, I'm setting up a gsm modem, that will do gprs via pppd. is that demand or not? [04:38] I will start the connection via ppp-go. [04:38] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423799.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:38] I doubt its on demand, on demand is still technically dial up. Gsm is definitely more modern [04:39] ah, but pppd is of the stone age too. [04:39] dont you use a sim card with a gsm modem? [04:39] yes, I do. [04:39] pppd also works good with a vpn tunnel :) [04:40] alisonken1lap, ppp over ssh? :) [04:40] I use openvpn :) [04:40] openswan with pppd [04:40] or strongswan rather [04:41] ipsec is a weird stuff :) [04:41] I believe this is it. [04:41] http://www.amazon.com/Quran-Translation-Sayed-Razwy/dp/1879402297/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280738309&sr=8-2 [04:41] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Oh shit, wrong window, sorry. I meant that in ##arabic. [04:42] Sorry. [04:42] miss_riss (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [04:42] haha [04:44] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.238) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:46] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Nicce (~Nicke@ip-163-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Excess Flood [04:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[05:22] powtrix, in runlevel 4 slackware only provides vty 6. [05:22] you can enable any number of vtys in /etc/inittab. [05:22] where can i find the mysql configuration file in slackware? [05:22] that can be fixed :) [05:22] epapi: /etc [05:22] epapi: /etc/mysql* [05:22] right [05:22] epapi, copy a sample of the /etc/my* selection to /etc/my.ini [05:23] and what slava_dp said :) [05:23] s/ini/cnf/ [05:23] epapi, oops, /etc/my.cnf [05:23] my bad [05:23] my daemon is up and running but in etc i have 4 files named my-* [05:23] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:23] cp /etc/my-medium.cnf /etc/my.cnf [05:24] what configuration file mysql loads if i don't have a my.cnf file? [05:25] I would reply that it runs with it's internal defaults. [05:25] there is no configuration file in /var/lib/mysql [05:25] slava_dp, I changed the vga as svga and Xorg was the default (cirrus). redefined and now worked :) [05:25] ok [05:25] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [05:25] thx [05:27] qemu stuff [05:29] Action: byteframe hates john yoo's face. [05:33] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:36] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5A20.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:41] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:42] eavesdrop (devnull@SDF.ORG) left irc: Quit: Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go? [05:43] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-198-233.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:43] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-198-233.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[06:21] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:24] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:24] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-21-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [06:27] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:28] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [06:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [06:28] a lot of people use setgid to make 'project directories' (all member of a group can read write all the files in a directory) [06:28] yes [06:28] but this depends on having umask of 002 for users [06:29] slackware has a default 022 [06:29] any reason? [06:29] is it dangerous to change it? [06:29] default is for desktop usage [06:29] I do it all the time when I upgrade my system since I have a couple of groups that have multiple users [06:31] the other option is to modify umask in each users ~/.bashrc file [06:32] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-100-134.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:33] if you change the umask you can break your system when running installing from slackbuilds [06:34] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:34] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Zordrak: if i change it for users but leave it as default for root? will that hurt? [06:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:38] Zordrak: how? I haven't had an issue - but then I don't install everything from sbo either [06:40] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:41] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:41] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [06:42] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [06:44] kohaku (~typhon@chello080109049167.2.14.univie.teleweb.at) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [06:48] alisonken1lap: because when you create (for example) the /etc dir inside a package the umask you have will determine the perms and the perms will overwrite the system perms [06:49] and some stuff such as sendmail baulks and dies when it sees bad perms [06:49] sendmail shouldn't be on sbo since it's part of slackware last I checked- unless it's changed [06:51] alisonken1lap: no.. what im saying is.. is that if you install ANYTHINNG from a slackbuild you ran (not necessarily SBo) that has files in /etc.. it will bugger the perms on /etc and some applications that you may already be running will suddenly shit themselves and die [06:52] easy enough to wrap the umask setting in a uid 0 check then [06:53] or use the existing user check for PATH and . [06:57] there are ways to deal with it... but point is if you change umask and then run the scripts youll end up with a borking pkg [06:58] an a desktop machine, it's usually not much of an issue, though [06:59] but if i leave root's umask untouched this should be ok [07:00] *shrug* prolly [07:00] i'd just set umask to 002 for 'plain users' [07:00] in their bashrc [07:00] yeah thats prolly ok [07:01] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:02] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:03] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [07:04] kleszcz (tick@80.48.171.119) joined ##slackware. [07:11] miss_riss (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [07:11] Morning. [07:11] zoran119: you can use /etc/profile - look at the last check where it adds current directory to path [07:11] change umask for users there [07:11] eaiser than creating/modifying each users ~/.bashrc [07:12] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:12] revel0 (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:13] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) joined ##slackware. [07:14] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:15] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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I am not sure if this is a hack or else, but this works for me. /etc/profile: umask 002 /path/to/directory. It sets 002 for the dir and all subdirs. [07:50] good one [07:50] learned something else - now if I can remember it :) [07:51] vinic__ (~konversat@p5B3D5862.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:51] v4nelle (~van@78-99-105.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:51] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5A20.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:51] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [07:54] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Action: v4nelle in love with slack :) [07:54] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423799.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:00] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-219-174.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:08] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) joined ##slackware. [09:09] has anyone else noticed that when in kde 4.4.3 on slack 13.1 ssh -X to a system doesn't allow for remote X clients [09:09] but when in a barebone X or fluxbox for example it works just fine [09:09] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-21-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:09] Have you configured kde to allow for remote x? (Just a guess) [09:10] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) joined ##slackware. [09:10] should i do that for ssh -X ? [09:11] and where exactly [09:12] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:14] kryptoz (~sabarish@122.167.245.108) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:14] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:14] ugh, I need to sort out my X forwarding. I think the upgrade to 13.1 broke it. needs some reconfiguration (actually maybe I forgot to change some files back) [09:15] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Axius (~fd@92.84.9.121) joined ##slackware. [09:16] IceW (~ice@000f-a01e-49f0-2001.ipv6.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:17] ssh -Y works (in kde) but that's not what i want [09:18] you want it on by default? [09:18] i want ssh -X to work in konsole [09:18] as it does in xterm on fluxbox [09:18] huh whats it doing now? [09:18] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:19] IceW (~ice@000f-a01e-49f0-2001.ipv6.gulug.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [09:19] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-146.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:21] goarilla: have you read the man page? [09:23] mmmm [09:23] it doesn't seem to work when i use it in a terminal and with startx [09:23] You'll want to read up on ForwardX11 in ssh_config(5) and might want to look at ~/.ssh/config and /etc/ssh/ssh_config [09:23] but when i start X barebones it does work [09:24] tbh I don't use X11 Forwarding... at all so I'm looking at this without having a clue what you're trying to do (from personal experience) [09:25] i usually don't have to do a lot of stuff with ssh -X versus the old forwarding setup [09:26] Action: SigmaVirus24 shrugs [09:26] KDE may have made itself more secure against X11 forwarding attacks and may require some kind of extra setup, not using it, I wouldn't know [09:27] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5862.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:27] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] i'm starting to think it's X and startx and not the WM/DE [09:29] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5862.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:30] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-193-254.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:32] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-193-254.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Client Quit [09:33] oh, yup, in my case, I forgot to check in /etc/ssh and switch configs back.. whoop [09:34] *whoops [09:38] kohaku (~typhon@chello080109049167.2.14.univie.teleweb.at) joined ##slackware. [09:38] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [09:39] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) joined ##slackware. [09:40] goj (~goj@p5488F8E9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:40] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-022.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. 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[10:28] many ways [10:28] look at the ~/.mc/bindings file [10:28] thats usually the way it works [10:30] seems the x server is not build with the SC SECURITY extensions or something like it [10:33] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:34] never observed that before, had a html that did driveby downloading in firefox, so I actual didnt wanted it to start up in any browser :P , but thanks for the tip has edited the config now [10:36] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:37] is there a man/instruction, how to configure wi-fi? [10:37] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [10:37] *telling [10:38] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:38] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:40] In short, use wicd. [10:40] Nick change: mario____ -> mario [10:41] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Skinder, leave your wireless without configuration, install wicd from /extra, make rc.wicd executable and start it [10:42] ok [10:42] skinder: I doubt anyone will tell you otherwise lol [10:42] It is a great tool [10:43] Then you can configure, connect, etc your wifi using wicd-client [10:45] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] s/client/curses/ [10:46] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:46] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:46] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] There isn't an wicd client? The graphical one? I am at cellphone now [10:46] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:47] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] probably, but curses is better :p [10:47] Hahahahah [10:48] Ok. Usually i use and recomends the gtk client [10:48] both are great [10:49] i dont recall when you're asked for root priviledges with pygtk [10:49] on curses that doesnt seem to be an issue [10:50] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:50] It dont ask, if the daemon is running and you are at netdev group. [11:03] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:03] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [11:04] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [11:06] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [11:07] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [11:08] and you need to reload dbus before you use it [11:08] it = wicd [11:09] after being installed the first time [11:09] qsqssss [11:09] ops [11:10] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:10] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:14] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:18] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:21] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Howdy [11:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:21] Axius (~fd@92.84.9.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:23] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [11:24] What's the sd_?_ command that copies partition 'layout'? 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[12:13] he's a douche, comes in with stupid questions [12:16] rheault (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:16] jeev if you're going to call someone a douche at least use the full word, it gives it more meaning and emotion... the word DOUCHEBAG is just so flavorful [12:16] It has to be used in all its glory [12:17] Dcoy (~MARTIN_PE@189.132.42.51) joined ##slackware. [12:17] !roflcopter [12:17] -.- [12:17] Dcoy (MARTIN_PE@189.132.42.51) left ##slackware. [12:17] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-100-134.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:18] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.250) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:18] SigmaVirus24, my keyboard has a button on it that says the full word but it's broken and i didn't feel like typing it out. [12:18] phrag: he actually has no questions. [12:18] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: cumer [12:18] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [12:18] phrag: he takes text, floods the channel with it, and don't respond to our questions. [12:18] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] phrag: wait 30 minutes, and change subject, and ignore us all again [12:19] hi all. do you know an opensource software/script to rename pdf files with metadata/title info automatically? [12:20] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:20] epapi, maybe calibre can do it, its a ebook management app [12:23] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:25] revel0 (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:26] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [12:26] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.147.44) joined ##slackware. [12:26] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:27] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:28] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. 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[12:58] brianmichel (~brizor@cet-nat.comcastcntr.pa.bo.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: brianmichel [13:00] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:07] Nick change: revel0_ -> revel0 [13:09] josemanuel (~josemanue@49.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:10] my slackware cannot get an ip when connecting to wi-fi =_=' [13:12] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.131.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:14] skinder: what Slackware version do you use and do you use WICD and what encryption do you have? [13:14] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.217.71) joined ##slackware. [13:14] 13.1, yes, i use, wpa2 [13:14] hm... should work ._. [13:15] T_T [13:15] AppDeb (AppDeb@195.74.237.225.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:15] how do I compile source code of a program that does not have a .configure or a .autogen file? [13:16] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:16] make [13:16] does it have a makefile? [13:16] yes [13:16] type make [13:17] ok, thats odd i dont use ./configure [13:17] maybe there's nothing to configure [13:17] lol [13:17] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:17] so how do I get it to install to a specific prefix? [13:19] look in the makefile if it has "DESTDIR" in it [13:19] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:19] if it does you can do "make install DESTDIR=$HOME" [13:19] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.217.71) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:20] it doesnt [13:20] i think there was an app called checkinstall that can help [13:21] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.136.153) joined ##slackware. [13:21] ive never used it [13:21] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.34.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:22] check if there is a INSTALL or a README [13:22] revel0 (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:22] ...file [13:22] 3rd day i'm making this thing working [13:22] almost everything is a file :) [13:22] when i connect to my router using a wire, it's OK. [13:23] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [13:23] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.170.58) joined ##slackware. [13:24] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:24] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:24] KaMii: move the executable to whichever dir, or edit the makefile [13:25] the readme file is of ne help [13:25] and theres no install [13:25] ok [13:25] what program is it? [13:25] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.136.153) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:26] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:26] may not even be a source tarball [13:26] well it doesnt matter anyway it wont make, and im not surprised [13:27] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [13:27] its a program called pimpstreamer, it allows you to stream music and video to a PSP over WIFI [13:27] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:27] i can run it under wine and it works, but i found he put the sourcode on his website so I throught I would try to build it from source [13:28] then you are running a windows application [13:28] ya but i have the source so I thought maybe i could port it over to linux [13:28] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) joined ##slackware. [13:29] ... [13:29] that is one of the most idiotic things I have heard. congrats! [13:29] XD [13:29] thanks raela but you do know im new to linux and learning, but... ya thanks for that one [13:31] good luck porting the program [13:31] KaMii: What language is it? [13:31] I think its c [13:31] If it uses WinAPI, you're pretty shit outta luck [13:31] Unless you want to spend a long time rewriting it [13:32] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [13:32] no idea, im not sure how to check that [13:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.163.130) joined ##slackware. [13:33] is it a console or gui app? [13:34] because you will probably have to convert it to gtk or qt [13:34] http://www.pimpware.org/?page_id=11 [13:34] there is where the source is located [13:34] the is most likely a console and when you load it under wine, you never see a gui [13:35] just an icon sits in the taskbar letting you know its running [13:35] everything else is run on the PSP [13:35] wow straterra is ailve [13:36] from what I could tell, all the program does on the machine is that it puts a server up on your network, then the program on the PSP does the rest [13:36] why do people type that all the time, especially on IRC? [13:37] KaMii: whoever wrote that is an idiot [13:37] lol [13:37] why? [13:37] i mean the program does work [13:37] They don't know how to write a proper Makefile, for one [13:38] straterra: welcome back - long time no see [13:38] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.163.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:38] well his programming skills are better than mine, i have zero [13:38] and yet you thought you could 'port' it to linux? [13:38] alisonken1home: Yeeeaaah [13:39] im an optimist [13:39] yeah, welcome back straterra [13:39] we all float down here [13:39] straterra: and just in time for me to go back to bed :) [13:39] where were you straterra ? [13:39] chinese torture camp ? [13:39] jeev: at your mom's house [13:39] eg your basement? [13:39] Gah, that source is...painful [13:39] wtf [13:39] must've been in another dimension [13:39] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.195.217) joined ##slackware. [13:40] :S [13:40] i didn't see any fat hairy people walk past me [13:40] straterra: the project's been around since 2007 apparently [13:40] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:40] jeev: your mom was in her bedroom with straterra [13:40] why would you see her walking around? [13:40] hello channel [13:41] negative. [13:41] look, it's carroX [13:41] there's a pretty big polycom change in config, who wants to do it for me [13:42] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-41-198.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:43] adaptr: yes, you remember :) [13:43] indeedy [13:43] you got mistaken for a girl! how could I not [13:43] lol [13:44] Action: mrcarrot is a bit ashamed actually [13:44] you are ? does the colour of your cheeks match your pretty pink dress ? [13:44] xsamurai (jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left ##slackware. [13:44] ok, I'll stop now [13:45] yes, you better do... [13:45] btw, has anyone of you been batch removing iso noise from pictures [13:45] mrcarrot: you wore a PINK DRESS?!?! [13:45] nope, never [13:46] oh ok. :D [13:46] who did.... let me beat them up... -_- [13:46] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Sir_Konrad: i was once planning to use carrot as nick, but it was taken. i changed it to carrox and a lot of dudes started to try to hit on me. that is what adaptr refers to [13:46] I hate when noise creeps into those hidden camera photos [13:47] LOL! [13:47] carrox is apparently sounding feminine [13:47] mrcarrot: how it is, I have no clue. [13:47] totally dude, I was so turned on [13:47] it's like you go through all the effort to hide the camera. the least they could do is stop changing the lighting and stuff. [13:47] that is why i have this mr part there in the nick now... i want to make sure nobody thinks i am a girl [13:48] mrcarrot: maybe you're trying to fool us [13:48] if the situation were reversed, I'd say pics or you ain't [13:48] however, as it stands... no thanks [13:48] adaptr: how very 4chan of you [13:48] adaptr: LOL! You have serious issues if you're turned on by the name carrox. XD [13:48] I mean, come on... :D [13:50] KaMii: look into using vlc to stream media to your psp [13:51] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:52] I hate fora links that are over 9 years old. [13:55] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.195.217) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:57] mrcarrot: it happens to me a lot as well :) [13:58] The only time I was mistaken for a girl was when I made it happen on purpose. That was when I made my nick AnneShirley. XD [13:58] mattx86 (matt@2001:470:8:6bc::2) joined ##slackware. [13:58] /nick hot2trot [13:58] alisonken1home: probably because of the "alison" bit in your nick [13:58] oops [13:59] some 13-year-olds can be a bit stupid! :P [13:59] popl: because the "alison" part is first in the nick :) [13:59] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.170.58) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:59] s/some// [13:59] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-141-90.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:59] popl: SOME. Not all, so no offense to possible 13 year olds in here. [14:00] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.194.178) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Sir_Konrad, no, just offend them all. Their fault for being young. [14:00] yeah [14:00] screw those young people [14:00] teenagers aren't entitled [14:00] DARN YOU you STUPID 13 YEAR OLDS!!! [14:00] heh. [14:00] they're slowin us all down [14:00] they already hate their elders [14:00] popl, that's cool cos I hate them [14:00] I was 13 once. 13 yearolds are stupid - especially when the hormones start kicking in [14:01] yeah, even if their elders are only 4 years older then them. >_< [14:01] them and their mobile phones and internetz [14:01] http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/022701.html [14:01] kids [14:01] they think they have ot tough? ha [14:01] the realy problem with kids is that they're insane [14:01] alisonken1home: I was thirteen too, which is rare in most humans! :P [14:01] If kids are insane then parents make them insane. [14:02] Sir_Konrad: at least the ones that lived [14:02] yeah, lived until they turned thirteen. 50% of them don't make it because their older siblings took em' out! :P [14:02] In about 10-15 years we will all be living in Idiocracy. [14:03] Sir_Konrad: I _was_ the oldest sibling :) [14:03] LOL! [14:04] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Let's see if my connection stays up now... [14:04] is there a such thing as a fork of the kernel? [14:05] dustybin: sure - look at tivo [14:05] ohh yes, and maybe vmware ? [14:05] alisonken1home: TiVo is a fork of Slackware? O_O [14:06] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.182.198) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Hey dustybin, guess what I did this weekend... :) [14:06] Sir_Konrad: he asked about a kernel fork, not a slackware fork [14:06] Sir_Konrad: as far as a slackware fork, look at SuSE [14:06] K_Wolf (~wolf@unaffiliated/k-wolf/x-7126789) joined ##slackware. [14:06] alisonken1home: oh. Is TiVo Linux? [14:06] ... [14:07] tivo is a linux box using mythtv and proprietary lockdown software [14:07] oh ok [14:07] linux media center/dvr [14:07] tivo uses mythtv? [14:07] dustybin: closest analogy to what they use [14:07] ok [14:09] dexter (~roland@ip4da80ca7.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[14:32] huh [14:33] set up a reverse ssh [14:33] or a tunnel [14:33] cryptic0: look at hamachi [14:33] i thought he couldn't tunnel in [14:34] create a tunnel from home to a server, then ssh to home via server [14:34] s/server/public server/ [14:34] There's an Open source Hamachi like program too, I can't remember the name [14:34] isn't that the same thing as what i said ken [14:34] openvpn? [14:35] hamachi... [14:35] jeev - reverse ssh is not quite the same as a tunnel [14:35] hamachi is extremely useful [14:41] dip_ (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [14:43] dip- (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:44] alisonken1home, connecting from HOME (privat eapartment nbentwork) to something then to the server is reverse, no ? but ok i dunno [14:44] i dont care [14:44] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:49] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-opgpotiunvvmulue) joined ##slackware. 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[14:58] xmodmap [14:58] q returns q [14:58] or a better layout, perhaps :) [14:58] so, other problematics keys are working, like ç ~ ã \| [14:59] [] [14:59] powtrix: what keyboard layout are you using? [14:59] only '/' returns 'q' and '?' returns 'w'. [15:00] the layout? pt_BR [15:00] er abnt2 [15:00] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:01] have you connected a USB keyboard to it ? [15:02] verify that it is an X problem, or just a borked keyboard [15:02] it's when he is not in X, he said [15:02] oh, sry [15:02] that's *weird* [15:04] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.147.44) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:04] powtrix: I haven't really messed around with changing keyboard layouts in the console but I am searching right now [15:04] powtrix: what version of Slackware are you using? [15:05] slack64-cur [15:05] powtrix: did you do all the stuff in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT? [15:06] there's something specific for people not using a US keyboard layout [15:06] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-13.1/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [15:06] well checking again [15:08] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FFF0BE1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@nat-165-91-15-87.tamulink.tamu.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:10] powtrix: also .. what is your keymap set to? [15:11] BP{k}: abnt2 [15:11] BP{k}: scroll up :P [15:13] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.147.44) joined ##slackware. [15:15] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:15] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [15:15] hello happy people [15:16] the position of this key is wierd, [space] [alt_r] [ / ] [ctrl] .. [15:19] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FFF0BE1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:23] is it safe to come back in here or are all of you still hating teenagers? [15:23] KaMii: i have teenage kids, so it's safe to say i hate teenagers [15:23] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:23] ok bye, i come back late [15:24] KaMii: but that doesn't mean i'm going to attack you [15:26] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:27] nyRednek: kamii figured the best way to use a windows app on linux was to get the source and use 'make'. [15:28] raela: that *sometimes* works [15:28] nyRednek: maybe if you have a bit of clue as to what you're doing [15:28] raela: but don't fault the person for the effort [15:29] nyRednek: asked how to install something built from source to a specific directory if it didn't ship with a ./configure script.. didn't indicate it was a windows app [15:30] Hi! For me, kde4 has started to stumble with the mouse recently. It'd always work when I log in, then after some time (hours) I can't switch windows by clicking them, menu doesn't work, some cursor sticks for long time.. It's erratic though, sometimes closing programs makes it work a bit more for a while. Anyone else had this problem? [15:30] raela: tbh, i don't see that as a reason to jump his/her case over [15:31] no difference after to copy to the fdi dir [15:31] copied* [15:32] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:32] nyRednek: lack of clue, as I said ;/ should have been upfront with it not even being designed for linux [15:32] hrm.. raela why dont you be an adult and have the courage to talk to me in person not behind my back with everyone in here! And I am sure you didnt know everything about programing and linux when you were born. but thanks for discouraging me from learning! [15:33] AppDeb (~AppDeb@195.74.237.225.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:33] KaMii: 'behind your back' would be in a pm. this is pretty to face, I'd say. no one brought age into it but you [15:34] KaMii: raela isn't a programmer now, but regardless...it does help to provide such data upfront [15:34] delt0r___ (~delt0r@188-22-31-183.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:35] KaMii: i'd suggest using winelib to try to compile it [15:36] delt0r_ (~delt0r@188-22-168-241.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:37] raela: just put me on ignore please, i dont know why you have to be hating me everytime i say something, and its really immature and childish, so please, for the sanity of this room IGNORE ME! [15:38] that obsession with maturity/age is a bit.. odd. you should probably work on that. [15:38] afk, going home [15:38] raela: later [15:38] lol [15:38] KaMii: do you have wine installed? [15:38] and it's called a channel, not a room. [15:39] nyRednek: i already have it working under wine, i just found the source and thought maybe I could compile it to work native [15:39] KaMii: use winemaker to prepare it to build under slack [15:39] then i get yelled at... again, as always [15:39] KaMii: then you can run make [15:39] and it *may* build [15:39] and if it does, it'll be a linux binary that includes winelib [15:40] Is this pimpstreamer you're talking about? [15:41] Ivshti (~Ivshti@77.76.51.86) joined ##slackware. [15:43] hehe that gave me a phonebook of errors [15:44] im just going to run it under wine, it works there [15:44] popl: yes pimpstreamer [15:44] its probably easier to just make a vlc script [15:44] yeah [15:45] thats basically all pimpstreamer is anyway, its a ffmpeg script, from what i can tell [15:45] The likelihood that someone's gotten VLC working with their PSP is high. [15:46] well i ran across this program a long time ago and have been using it a lot, but then i saw the source today, so I thought, maybe it will build in linux [15:47] we have a built vlc on alien's site [15:47] i built my own vlc [15:47] KaMii: ok... [15:48] but i never use it, i use xbmc [15:49] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) joined ##slackware. [15:49] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:51] odnptf (~odnptf@g231218093.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:53] how do i block someone that has an unaffiliated ip address when Im using xchat? [15:53] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.219.13) joined ##slackware. [15:54] i have learnt something new about linux fonts :D [15:54] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] control + alt F1 to get a new console [15:54] cd /usr/share/fonts/misc/ [15:54] setfont -v [15:54] you can make the console look totally stunning :D [15:55] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [15:55] KaMii: hostmask, you mean [15:55] KaMii: /ignore doesn't work? [15:55] popl: ya, becuase on xchat /ignore doesnt work, i need the ipmask [15:55] consult the manual [15:56] I don't use xchat [15:56] so i cant set raela to ignore... thats why i keep asking him to ignore me [15:56] the manual says i need the ipmask [15:56] try google then [15:56] seriously. first result. [15:57] I am pretty sure a norma ignore would/should work [15:57] by the way, what irc clients you guys use [15:57] it never does for me [15:57] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:57] BP{k}: not in xchat [15:57] Ivshti: irssi. [15:57] well then xchat is a pile of shit :) [15:58] lol stone age? [15:58] no gui? :( [15:58] i can point and click stuff in irsii [15:58] *irssi [15:58] it's still not pretty [15:58] Ivshti: uhm, no. just because it doesn't have a gui doesn't mean it's old. [15:58] Ivshti: in your opinion. [15:59] no, the interface is old [15:59] I know it supports plugins and stuff [15:59] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-83-4.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Action: BP{k} yawns. [15:59] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] I'm with empathy :D [15:59] good for you. [16:00] kamii you can do nick ignore [16:00] xchattestthingie (~michiel@109.111.192.38) joined ##slackware. [16:00] ignore KaMii!*@* [16:01] xchattestthingie (~michiel@109.111.192.38) left irc: Client Quit [16:02] xchat test thingie [16:02] for sure a girls nick [16:02] no, I couldn't be arsed remembering my nickserv password. :P [16:03] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-100-134.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:04] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:04] tank-man: that didnt work [16:04] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Quit: plula [16:04] oh, nevermind [16:04] i had a typeo [16:04] http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?p=14595&sid=acd1445105ddee7cc9fb0ca94504273e [16:04] raela!*@* added to ignore list. [16:10] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435179.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:10] i have changed the line "/usr/sbin/syslogd" to "/usr/sbin/syslogd -m 60" in /etc/rc.d/rc.syslog. is that a proper way to change the interval of the MARK's? [16:10] KaMii: it's in poor taste to advertise your ignore list [16:10] KaMii: keep it to yourself [16:10] pupit: change it in /etc/syslog.conf [16:10] i just posted that to make sure i did it right [16:11] of course you did. [16:11] Ivshti: how? i already looked there [16:12] you checked the man page? if it doesn't say anything about it, then a parameter IS the right way [16:12] man syslog.conf [16:12] pupit: seems to be the correct way to do it. [16:12] BP{k}: ;) [16:13] yes. nothing about it in syslog.conf [16:16] Could anyone think of why some X apps (rxvt-unicode, xfontsel) aren't updaing their screens properly (left-over lines of text)? It started when I upgraded to Xorg 1.8.2. Do I need to recompile something? [16:20] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:20] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:20] blaines_ (~blaines@ip68-106-225-239.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] is there a file to me define manually this key (/)? [16:21] blaines_ (~blaines@ip68-106-225-239.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [16:21] on Xorg it works, Xkde, Fluxbox etc. just on terminal it does not [16:22] I don't suppose anyone replied to my query while I was disconnected? [16:22] "just" :) [16:22] blaines_ (~blaines@ip68-106-225-239.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-8-71.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:23] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [16:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:24] rirombo: maybe you discovered the reason the new xorg isnt part of Slackware yet? [16:25] sahko: Could very well be it :) [16:25] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [16:25] whats the link to it? [16:25] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:26] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:26] how to start recording ? [16:27] or better test the microphone ? [16:27] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:27] sahko: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg-1.8/ [16:28] rirombo: you could always visit the xorg bugtracker.. [16:29] sahko: Will do, thanks for the suggestion :) [16:29] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:30] bacal (~default@cpe-70-95-181-49.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:31] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-opgpotiunvvmulue) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:33] bacal (~default@cpe-70-95-181-49.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:33] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-sijmtitfhyuxawje) joined ##slackware. [16:33] rirombo (user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [16:33] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:34] powtrix: abnt keyboard? [16:35] why don't you search for updates of rxvt-unicode and xfontsel that workaround the problems [16:35] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-sijmtitfhyuxawje) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:36] yes [16:36] a cc t25l laptop [16:36] cce [16:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:39] Hehe, need to fix terminal keymap. Console terminal is your problem? Your / is over right ctrl or over q? [16:39] Do you bother do some tests if i fix abnt2 console keymap? [16:40] i tried all *abnt2 keymaps there [16:40] pm? [16:41] You are welcome [16:41] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:41] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-83-4.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:44] tekzilla (~jon@d174255.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:44] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [16:46] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [16:46] tekzilla (~jon@d031238.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:47] JJJunkk_ (spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [16:47] JJJunkk_ (spole@panix1.panix.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:47] Ladyxx (~Krys@68-115-54-84.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:49] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-213-145.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:50] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:50] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-213-145.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:50] ZMR (~Janus@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:50] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:51] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625222733] [16:52] Hey arnoff, were you the guy that said he had a Novatel aircard? [16:52] arnoff? [16:53] me? [16:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:53] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:53] what graphic driver should i be using with a intel i3 CPU, the GPU is built into the CPU [16:54] dustybin: use lspci to find out [16:54] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-209-104.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-209-104.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] ok frank [16:54] frank? [16:54] the gpu is built into the cpu? [16:54] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) [16:55] why is the graphic controller listed with lspci ? [16:55] grey (~grey@vs1.svartalfheim.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] ... [16:55] it's on the pci bus dustybin [16:55] is there something different about how slack's Samba handles symlinks? [16:55] right ok [16:55] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [16:56] I'm sharing a directory with a symlink to another path in it, follow symlink = yes is set in smb.conf, the permisssions are a+rwx for both the symlink, and the path it refers to, but I cannot follow it from any clients? [16:57] i need to install intel IEGD driver [16:58] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [16:59] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [16:59] xchat gnome is annoying as hell... i want my user list [17:00] slackware isnt listed :( [17:00] http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/IEGD/#compatibility [17:00] dustybin: it usually isn't [17:00] Yeh, sorry. [17:00] Not so good with names... hey, I was close! [17:01] this isn't horseshoes, Redb3ard [17:01] talso (~talso@S010600121af2de04.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:01] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [17:01] :P [17:01] This is serious business. Nothing is more important than spelling an internet handle/username correctly. [17:02] Anyway, I have my Novatel aircard connecting to Verizon. ppp1 shows up with a valid IP address, I have connectivity (it's pretty nice, to be honest). [17:02] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCC5C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-146.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] no, it's not really that important. you could have just looked in the userlist though :P [17:02] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:02] talso (~talso@S010600402d8fd95b.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] just means you're lazy, is all. :) [17:02] And I was hoping that of the multiple serial ports it creates (only one of which is used) that I could send AT commands to a second serial port and get responses (those for signal strength). [17:03] grey (grey@vs1.svartalfheim.net) left ##slackware. [17:03] But it seems that all of them are locked up and unresponsive (though, sending stuff to them doesn't knock the modem offline). [17:04] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.147) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Sorry, I looked away for a bit, let me read up on what youwrote Redb3ard [17:04] I was wondering if anyone had any insight. [17:04] I really need to be able to get a reply from AT+CSQ while this thing is running. [17:04] maybe i should try this [17:04] http://code.google.com/p/gma500/source/checkout [17:05] Redb3ard: yes, I am on a Novatel right now.... [17:05] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:05] Redb3ard: Yes, I have read that the Novatel has multiple serial channels one of which you are supposed to be able to query the modem while you are on... [17:06] Redb3ard: No, I haven't tried it. [17:06] Redb3ard: If you make progress, let me know. :) [17:06] Well, can you do a quick check for me? [17:06] Maybe... [17:06] On mine, I get /dev/ttyUSB0 through USB3. Do you get as many serials ? [17:06] What's the check? [17:07] Let me look [17:07] And also, in your ppp script, which serial do you use? It seems to work for several of them, as far as I ever tested. [17:07] I have 0,1 & 2 [17:07] Really. [17:07] That's weird. [17:07] Some udev rule isn't renaming the 4th, is it? [17:07] IIRC, ttyUSB2 is the query one..... [17:08] I'm not sure how I would check that [17:08] anyone know of a good site for choosing a motherboard? [17:08] i haven't been keeping up with chipsets, etc... [17:08] Do you have a /dev/*modem* device? [17:08] The-Croupier (~Arbi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [17:08] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Hmmmm try /dev/gsmmodem. [17:08] Skywise, Frys.com :) [17:08] I think that's what usb_modeswitch names one of them. [17:08] greetings [17:08] i prefer amd as well [17:09] does anyone ever played cod? [17:09] mitx would be ok [17:09] Nope, no /dev/modem anything [17:09] i used to play cod [17:09] cod uo [17:09] I do The-Croupier [17:10] Must be a different model or firmware or something then. [17:10] Weird. [17:10] arfon: not /dev/gsmmodem? [17:10] UO Sky? You're old [17:10] right..you played world at war in xbox360? [17:10] the new versions are sucky xbox ports [17:11] arfon: i need to unlock the zombie lvl without playing the whole game ;) [17:11] I do have a /dev/gsmmodem... but pppd uses ttyUSB0 [17:11] or get some kind of god mode cos i dont have time to play the whole game [17:12] '/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start' takes about one minute to run, since upgrading to slackware 13.1. I have an intel 3945 agb wireless card. running of the rc.inet1 script also produces some error messages saying 'SET filed on device wlan0...' However, when I finally get a lease from the AP it works fine, except I repeatedly loose web access (not access to services operating on other ports, though...) [17:12] /dev/gsmmodem is a link to ttyUSB0 [17:12] talso (~talso@S010600402d8fd95b.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:12] arfon, change your script to call /dev/gsmmodem. [17:13] Heck no! It took me forever to get this thinkg working... :P [17:13] I'm scared to break on it [17:13] breathe [17:13] Nah, don't change it if it works. [17:13] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:13] In some cases, it seems pppd could bind to any though. [17:13] (Actually, I can change it but it has to be tonight.... [17:14] But I can't use the others to send AT commands. Ugh. [17:14] I was hoping I could. [17:14] i'm sure you can google for cod cheat codes [17:14] I'm on it now and if I break it, I will have 49 minutes of utter boredom [17:14] Hahaha, well, i use the gsmmodem here without problems. [17:14] It should work since it's a symlink [17:14] I can script it so that it shuts down pppd, checks the AT command, then reconnects... but get that wrong, and there's no way to fix it without driving 8 hours to the middle of nowhere and sitting in front of it. [17:15] what happens when you minicom to ttyUSB2? [17:15] Nothing. No echo (expected) but no reply to commands. [17:15] Arfon, yea. I am a bit lost, what isn't happening to you? [17:15] If I minicom to the serial used for the connection, then it kills the connection (but without pppd exiting). [17:16] Right now piterpk, good things are not happening to me. :( [17:16] Nothing's happening to Arfon... he was just helping me see if his behaved like mine. [17:16] Let me try minicoming to ttyUSB2 Redb3ard [17:16] Ah... [17:16] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-72-86-4-192.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] And what is happening to Redb3ard? [17:17] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:18] Trying to send an AT+CSQ (cell signal strength) command to the modem, while connected. [17:18] May not be possible. [17:18] ah... you are connected and all things are working. [17:18] I do connect, it looks good. [17:19] But I'm trying to imitate the functionality of a legacy product, custom board using a Multitech socket cell modem. [17:19] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:19] It would also log cell signal strength. [17:19] Well... not all 3G modems have standards interfaces. [17:19] cmk_zzz (~martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:19] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Of course, it's given us no end of problems, we'd rather have good connectivity and no log, as opposed to its dubious connectivity and a log of how bad things are. [17:20] Hmmm, minicom and screen don't play well together [17:20] my phone only responds with identification ifnormation [17:20] it sucks [17:20] piterk, I have about 40 various brands of usb cell modems on the desk in front of me. [17:20] Redb3ard: braggart :P [17:20] popi, most of them don't work. [17:21] Can't pick one Redb3ard ? [17:21] The Zoom modems don't seem to respond to the ATD*99 command. So I can't get them to connect at all. [17:21] josemanuel (~josemanue@49.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [17:21] arfon, evaluating which are best, which isn't easy... buying in bulk is nearly impossible. [17:21] You know as soon as you decide on one, it will be discontinued :P [17:21] The companies only sell to the carriers... and we will be buying 4000 next year and wanting to activate them through someone else. [17:22] I know. That doesn't help. [17:22] Though, if I do like one, chances are the next in the series will still work with minimal changes. [17:22] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-69-167.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:22] GSM is easier than CDMA... because GSM is the worldwide standard, and people tend to switch sim cards, finding those is a bit easier. [17:23] Well, Redb3ard, I can try again tonight when I get home and aren't forced to use screen [17:23] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:23] I think we should switch to satellite modems and be done with this bullshit. [17:23] arfon, no big deal. Thanks for your help. [17:23] How do you uplink to a satellite with a tiny modem? [17:23] I don't claim to understand the RF. [17:24] Needs an external atenna. But not a parabolic. [17:24] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-69-167.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] I bet it cell towers up and satellite down [17:24] And they're all RS232 which bugs the shit out of me. [17:24] Nah, it's satellite only... [17:24] And it's really only up. [17:24] gsm is broken [17:24] Yeah, you get GREAT spped from the RS232... [rolls eyes] [17:24] With the ones I'm looking at, you don't get an IP connection. [17:24] gsm is terribly terribly broken [17:25] You send md5ed data up, and 30 minutes later it's emailed to your server. [17:25] unfortunately like you say, most people use gsm [17:25] It's called short data burst. [17:25] Well, I have a Clear 4G modem and this Virgin Novatel.... [17:25] Cdma is dying here in .br the only carrier that used to sell cdma phones is now selling gsm phones. [17:25] The Clear modem ROCKS when I can get a signal [17:26] This Virgin one works almost anywhere but has a 200Mb/month limit [17:26] We make agricultural products. There may not even be towns for 20 miles from where our stuff will be used. [17:26] Don't need much speed, we aren't sending alot of data. [17:26] But still, you can't get a signal enough even for voice in many places. [17:27] Well, I bet the satellite ones will fail under trees.... [17:27] Not many trees, either. [17:27] Orchards? [17:27] And, we can site them where that's not a problem. Moving it 50ft isn't a big deal, we just can't move it 100 miles to where we get a good signal. [17:28] We aren't selling to orchards yet. [17:28] Don't ask me why... [17:28] They'd love our stuff. [17:28] Jackoff sales team. [17:28] :) [17:29] piterpk: that sucks. I'm sorry. [17:29] piterpk: who's the big providers down there? [17:30] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:30] Action: arfon bets it Verizon [17:31] .br, prolly not Verizon [17:31] Action: arfon should read more [17:31] Vivo (telefonica), Claro (telmex) and TIM (telecom italia mobile) [17:31] i hear you can get unlimited data with tethering on tmobile using an unlocked n900 [17:31] Last time I checked, all tethering plans had a limit [17:32] tmobile doesn't [17:32] and its like $40/mo [17:32] Hmmm, I wish they had that for a USB modem [17:32] but an unlocked n900 is $600 [17:33] To hell with that [17:33] $600?!?! [17:33] sex hunns? where? [17:33] a used one would be cheaper [17:33] wrong room jg71 [17:34] arfon: $600 for that brick, hell yes. [17:34] piterpk: lol @ italia mobile [17:34] piterpk: who is the most popular? [17:34] Action: arfon uses a $40 throw away phone with his SIM card in it. [17:35] I have a lg vx9200 [17:35] arfon: are you wanted ? [17:35] i have been using screen the wrong way for years, i now have a screen session on my server setup for multi user support, now if i log into my screen session on my laptop using screen user/session, the screen session is sync'd to the one on my server :D [17:35] crippled by Verizon of course [17:35] If I could get my SIM card in my $15 virgin cheapo, I would.... [17:35] i dont even know what type my cheap ass mobile phone is ... it'S working. nuff said. [17:35] popl: names are in popularity order [17:35] ah cool [17:36] i got an android phone...just cos i can connect my laptop to it, and then online ;) [17:36] Each one have around 40 and 50 million clients [17:36] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] where did you find that HOW TO dustybin ? [17:37] i don't travel enough to make a mobil plan worth while [17:37] but if i didn't have any broadband, i'd hook up [17:37] Do you sit at work bored Skywise ? [17:37] no, i'm usally working [17:37] sigh [17:37] How does it feel to like your job? [17:37] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:38] not paying for internet, and have internet everywhere ;) [17:38] it my own fault, i own the company [17:38] Ick, been there... [17:38] How does it feel always scrounging for the next customer? [17:38] dang, you speak the truth [17:39] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Been there :) [17:39] thats the part no one tells you about [17:39] THAT's the worst part (other than firing ppl) [17:39] oh i hate working with people [17:39] it shows [17:39] :P [17:39] people = sux [17:39] i've been hiring over seas contractors for the most part [17:39] :) popl [17:40] Um, why not go to the quickie mart? [17:40] i can hire for bits and pieces and don't have to keep them busy [17:40] well, they're not just from india any more [17:40] does slackware 13.1 come with freetype? [17:40] eastern europe is growing some [17:40] Same with the Quickie mart... [17:40] i've even run across coders from south america who'd done decent work [17:41] Action: arfon wonders.... Skywise... conflicker.... [17:42] so i actually could do more work, but i'd have to hire people and i don't want too [17:42] I have felt your pain [17:42] i don't wanna be a manager, i just like solving problems and integrating things [17:42] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:42] Employees sux, especially when there's no 'next customer' in sight. [17:42] piterpk: do cell phone providers in Brazil cripple their phones? [17:43] I owuld imagine [17:43] *would [17:43] yeah, i have maintenence contracts that pay the bill, and then a couple of projects a year thats gravy [17:43] its modest but i don't need a lot to be happy, i stopped trying to be rich a while ago [17:44] i think if i could get more holiday time into my calendar i'd have a pretty well balanced life [17:44] Nothing like lowering your expectations to help you towards your goal... (you can quote me on that) [17:44] i just noticed the more money i made the less time and opportunity i had to do anything with it [17:45] is it quite common for a slackware user to do this: [17:45] 'Rebuild FreeType with the bytecode interpreter, and use the properly hinted MS fonts (Arial, et al) to get cleaner, crisper looking fonts on the LCD. ' [17:45] and to be honest theres not a whole lot of change in life style between 40 and 150k [17:45] I'd like to test that Skywise [17:45] sound like it would be if you use mbcharater [17:45] I know you're wrong.... [17:45] nope [17:46] after taxes and expenses the difference is only a couple of hundred a month [17:46] not enough to really do anything different [17:46] I've got several Ramblers that would be in a much more 'running shape' if I was closer to $150K [17:46] lol [17:46] :) [17:47] so you make that money and its right out the door and the ramblers will always need fixin [17:47] Nah, I horde a little... [17:47] dip- (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [17:47] Plus, if you take care of Ramblers, thier fixin needs are small [17:47] Nick change: dip- -> dip [17:48] but seriously, i think you'd have to make 250k+ to be able to make a significant change [17:48] and then maybe thats only a better house and car [17:48] Better house = waste of money.... [17:48] yeah [17:48] and better car has higher bills [17:48] You're just paying 'the man" more in taxes and repairs [17:49] No, NEWER car = higher bills :) [17:49] so you only get ahead when you save instead of spend [17:49] and getting rich is a fantasy [17:49] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [17:49] i wrote a list and bought all the things i will ever need [17:49] dip_ (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:50] Savng will bad idea... You'll never beat inflation with that [17:50] theres alot of people who'd be happy with just some steady work and its a shame people aren't able to be self employed [17:50] dustybin: are 2Tb drives on that list? [17:50] well, i don't think i'll ever actually retire [17:50] popl: yes, but they need to unblock the phone if the client asks to. [17:50] arfon: there are a few things on my list still, but once thats gone, i dont need nothing else [17:51] piterpk: hah. Verizon will just laugh if you ask them to do something with it. [17:52] Well... the telcos doesnt like, but is the law here. [17:52] piterpk: the laws are usually for teh benefit of the companies here [17:52] recently we have had some success with jailbreaking iphones [17:52] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:52] Skywise: My grandparents that 'retired' all died soon afterwards [17:52] In activity is the worst [17:53] yeah, boredom sucks [17:53] piterpk: http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/07/26 [17:54] forgive me guys, time to go home.... [17:54] Night [17:54] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:54] Does anyone here have an Asus EeePC netbook, and have you gotten the console framebuffer working on it? [17:56] i use the kms driver on my 1005PE. [17:56] Ah. [17:56] I finally got the kernel recompiled and installed. It has the inteldrmfb driver built in. [17:56] Can't figure out what the hell to do next. [17:57] blaines_ (~blaines@ip68-106-225-239.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:57] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:57] I can't seem to get a lilo/grub boot parameter that will put it into console framebuffer. [17:57] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCBA1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Boot with standard 80x25 video. Kms will be a bad guy and take over your screen [17:58] How do I do that? [17:59] That's not a vga= is it? [17:59] lookd like we're scheduled to be hit with a coronal mass ejection on aug 3rd [18:00] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FFF0BE1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Skywise: aren't we always hit by CMEs though? [18:01] they happen all the time, but they can be serious for communications and sats [18:01] might even get to see an aurora from it [18:01] vga=normal [18:01] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. 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[18:08] piterpk (~PiterPunk@189.96.171.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:09] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:09] mathilda (~mernilio@bb-nu-85-11-236-184.ornskoldsvik.com) joined ##slackware. [18:09] popl: probably b/c they're not behind the shield of several miles of atmo. [18:09] hackedhead: yep, that's probably why. ;P [18:09] Hi boys and girls! [18:11] I do have a question. My boyfriend mernil is banned from Slackboy. Why? [18:11] artaud_ (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:11] mathilda: who's your boyfriend? [18:11] popl mernil. [18:12] oh d'uh [18:12] did he login as root? [18:12] or flood excessively? [18:12] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:12] and he cant even connect to this channel .. and he has been a slacker since 1994. [18:13] Hi mathilda aka mernil [18:13] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) joined ##slackware. [18:13] dip_ (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [18:13] You disguise as mathilda... do you ever read your ban message? [18:13] thanks to slackboy .. no im only mathilda -> alicephilippa [18:14] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:14] mathilda: mernil is banned from here for a darn good reason. [18:14] Nick change: dip_ -> dip [18:14] mathilda: and he's fully aware of it, too. [18:14] I will ask rworkman why he put up that ban (the message sounds just like him) [18:14] alienBOB: do you have really nice looking smooth fonts ? did you re-compile freetype? [18:14] thumbs: what reason? In pm please [18:14] alienBOB: sure, one sec. [18:15] dustybin: my fonts are good, and I did not recompile freetype [18:15] mine arent too great in XFCE, im sure i need to tweak something [18:16] right so in the beginning of the year it was darth_mohl asking .. now mathilda ... right. [18:16] I hate when I miss story arcs [18:16] well.. forget it.. im thinking of geting involved in ham-radio. Any ideas of what transmitter i need? [18:16] mernil has been banned for years. He's a troll. [18:17] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) left irc: Client Quit [18:17] whats the flavor of the day in amd am3 chipsets now? [18:17] So, I would still like to see some of it. [18:17] Skywise: failure [18:17] :) [18:17] mernil is also on the permanent +q list in #freenode [18:17] I'll rummage through my channel logs [18:17] it isnt hard for somebody to come back on another host and change the nick? [18:18] dustybin: all you have to do is irc in from somewhere different [18:18] You can paint a turd green, polish it up, and spray air freshener on it, but it's still going to be a turd. [18:18] how do I install the module scgi on apache in slackware? [18:18] as mathilda im only involved with mernil because of his big 10 inch [18:18] haha :-P [18:18] Sure, there are several people in here who were banned with another nick [18:18] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) joined ##slackware. [18:18] if i got banned from freenode, i would re-invent myself, and change my nick to 'bindusty' [18:19] alienBOB: hiya [18:19] mathilda: we don't care. Perhaps you're green now, but if you start to stink, you'll be shoveled. [18:20] rworkman .. im green now? You must be joking :-) [18:20] you guys are real patient when dealing with a multiyear trolling [18:20] rworkman: you typed that with a straight face? :) [18:20] do kernel summits happen every year? they look gret [18:20] great [18:20] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FFF0BE1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [18:20] wow http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linux-kernel-summit [18:21] i wonder if there will be a live stream [18:21] have you looked at past years? [18:21] or contortionists :P [18:21] nope im looking now [18:21] popl: of course :) [18:22] Action: KaMii just made the switch to irssi [18:22] yay irsii! [18:22] bbl .. damn good programme on tv now . about nazi world dominatin .. now . about Albert Speer. [18:23] so im sure will be typing in the wrong window a lot lately [18:23] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:23] ok im not a nazi.. only pro-swedish!!! [18:23] ;-) [18:23] mathilda (mernilio@bb-nu-85-11-236-184.ornskoldsvik.com) left ##slackware. [18:23] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:24] That's mernil. [18:24] agreed. [18:24] I caught a whiff. ;-) [18:25] some people really need to get a life [18:25] Action: dustybin coughs [18:25] popl: you got an url for that where one can download one of those? [18:25] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:26] BP{k}: http://www.apple.com/iphone/ [18:26] :P [18:26] that's not a life :P that's prison :) [18:27] millions of complacent Americans can't be wrong, BP{k} [18:27] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. [18:27] popl: but they could be in prison =P [18:27] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Quit: Saindo [18:28] hackedhead: what? [18:28] they may not be wrong, but they're still in prison. [18:29] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [18:30] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [18:30] glenj1 (~glen@or-71-53-76-228.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:34] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCBA1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [18:38] why is it I keep telilng this to ignore joins parts quits nicks, it says its ignoring them, but its not [18:38] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.25.20) joined ##slackware. [18:38] powtrix: of course they are [18:38] KaMii: #irssi [18:38] sahko: yes [18:39] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:39] i ever download a script called crapbuster but that didnt work either [18:40] s/ever/even [18:40] popl: oh, believe me, it really is [18:40] does it silence every line you type? [18:41] in window one i got an immediate message that says it accepted the command, but im still seeing quits and joins [18:41] KaMii: what is the command you gave? [18:41] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:41] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.254.19.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:46] ok i think i fixed it, not sure why the perl script isnt working, but i had the channel names spelled wrong... haha :S [18:46] i forgot to do ## I had just one # [18:47] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCBA1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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CD's 1-3 [20:08] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [20:08] BP{k}, thanks [20:08] i have the dvd iso but it wont burn correctly [20:09] dip_ (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Raggs: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php gives you an idea what is on each CD (thus if you don't want KDE you don't need CD3) [20:09] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:09] cool, thanks BP{k} [20:10] Anyone using ipvs? [20:10] dip- (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [20:11] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:12] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [20:13] dip_ (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:14] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Be excellent to each other. 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[21:05] go on [21:06] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:06] I run slackware64-current with linux 2.6.33.4 that I downloaded and compiled myself from kernel.org, and with alsa-driver 1.0.23 downloaded from alsa-project.org, I have the alien multilib glibc and gcc packages... otherwise my system is just like -current [21:08] my video card is GeForce GT 240... if I try to use nvidia 256.44 then I get a X freeze soon the screen comes up and I start doing normal things [21:08] nvidia 256.35 works ok [21:08] 256.38.02 freezes my X up just like 256.44 does [21:09] so use the version that doesnt freeze [21:09] I switched back to nvidia 195.36.31 just to be safer for now [21:09] can't do much with binary blobs [21:09] yes, I expect to get little help on this [21:10] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:10] but still, a lot of people use the binary blobs... now, if I just use the nvidia driver that at least doesn't freeze, then there are still some other problems... [21:11] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [21:11] not saying its not good to use it, just you can't fix it cause its not open source [21:11] got to wait for nvidia to fix it [21:11] if I enable X composite in xorg.conf, then no matter what -vo I use in mplayer, mplayer starts hogging kernel cpu until it gets 100% and video playback fails [21:12] I'm wondering if it is really the nvidia driver or something else wrong in my configuration [21:12] so, I have to detail my config... or ask if others with a similar config as me are having the same problems, or am I alone with my problem (maybe bad hardware then) [21:13] tavl (~tavl@189.70.143.202) joined ##slackware. [21:14] so, having X composite extension enabled is the default for xorg ? [21:14] bacal (~default@cpe-70-95-181-49.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:15] is X composite extension loaded by default, or only if Section "Extensions" is present and loads it? 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[21:20] the system is almost perfect with OpenGL composite enabled except for the kernel cpu usage problem in mplayer! very frustrating... it is difficult to get a setup where video plays fast without sync or tearing problem in both windowed and fullscreen, and have normal cpu use [21:20] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:21] Razec (~razec@187.34.29.14) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:22] so is anyone else, using OpenGL (or XRender) composite in KDE, having problems with mplayer using a lot of kernel cpu time? [21:22] davimint (~david@c-76-123-145-214.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:23] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:24] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [21:26] I am going to switch to OpenGL composite since XRender had the same problem with video... now I will try xine to play a video and see if it too puts high load on cpu (kernel-use) [21:27] i guess the problem is in the nvidia driver since the cpu use is kernel-space, and now there is no hope unless nvidia fixes it, but i guess no one else sees this problem except me [21:28] Catoptromancy (~Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [21:28] can I ask to ask a question? [21:28] foobarz: I run an older module, and I never saw that problem. [21:28] Catoptromancy (Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left ##slackware. [21:28] foobarz: err driver. [21:28] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:29] dip- (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [21:29] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [21:29] I'm trying xine now... it uses a lot of user-space cpu so far (little or no hw accel of video playback) [21:30] dip_ (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:30] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:33] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:33] Ladyxx (~Krys@68-115-54-84.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [21:35] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:36] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [21:38] hmm.. xine's setup screens are not working, they freeze... I had to ctrl-alt-esc kill it [21:38] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:42] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. 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[21:51] treating me well...can't wait for tomorrow, gonna ride it to work [21:52] nice :) [21:52] unixfool, i am now a senior consultant at deloitte :) [21:52] whoa [21:52] nice [21:52] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488F848.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] congrats! [21:53] thanks mate [21:53] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-43-232-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:54] i'm still stuck being a team lead. would love a mgt position but lack the college credentials, so it looks like i'll be going back to school soon [21:54] can someone else on slackware64-current run xine and go into it's settings and try to select a video output driver, and see if it freezes on you [21:55] unixfool, and a position somewhere else? [21:56] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-43-232-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[21:59] 6 yrs ago, i got my foot in the door there and they lowballed the hell out of me...had to turn it down [21:59] nachox, lol [21:59] i didn't hear a thing...haha [21:59] unixfool, have they offered anything? [22:00] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-43-232-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:00] no, but there are several positions open near my location...the positions are open until 8 august...i'm still debating whether to apply again...should be easier this time, since they poly'd the hell out of me already [22:01] that was NOT fun [22:02] unixfool, applying doesnt imply acceptance, go for it [22:02] xine is using two threads to play video... 1 thread is 100% mostly kernel-space, the other thread is like 50% all user-space [22:03] mplayer would use just 1 thread and start to have playback problems at this point, but xine is doing something else with 2 threads and it is still playing ok [22:07] what do you use to read mails in /var/mail/ ? ... i use vim but i would like to use something else more suitable ^^ [22:07] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:07] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:07] mail ? [22:07] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [22:07] when i read mail from /var/mail/$USER ... [22:07] pine -i [22:08] rirombo (user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left ##slackware ("BRB"). [22:08] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:09] v4nelle (~van@78-99-105.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:13] mailx [22:14] which is the same as mail [22:14] Ugh. [22:16] mutt [22:16] korg815 (~korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [22:16] did someone try with thunderbird ? [22:16] piterpk is right... vga=normal gets KMS to switch on. But I just get a blackscreen on this damned Asus. [22:16] paissad, thunderbird won't read mbox format unless you import them [22:17] ok, I'm out...nite all [22:17] nite nachox [22:17] unixfool (imac@about/slackware/wigglit) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[22:41] heya folks [22:41] Say, when I'm using the touchpad, the pointer shakes when my finger rests on the touchpad or when dragging things. It seems like it's oversensitive to minute movements. Is there a way to somehow fix that? I've been looking through synaptics manpage, but can't figure out which setting it might be connected tol. [22:41] Hey, MLanden [22:41] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:41] heya rirombo [22:43] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:43] KaMii: you around? [22:43] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [22:44] KaMii: i got calculus book, c, c++ tutorials in plucker pdb [22:44] el_lobo-1d-_-b (~Juan@200.119.37.169) joined ##slackware. [22:44] and, with permission of the guys doing slackbook, i can put together slackbook.org as a plucker pdb [22:44] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:45] hey MLanden [22:45] rirombo: udev or xorg? if you're using udev..might be the TapAndDragGesture check arch's wiki for an example http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics [22:45] heya shonudo [22:45] hey [22:45] hey rirombo [22:46] rirombo, did you nail that emacs problem? [22:47] MLanden: Not quite sure. Whatever I put in xorg.conf seems to be rejected, but I get full touchpad capabilities anyway, so I'm guessing udev. Will take a look, thanks [22:47] hey, shonudo! Alas, no luck on the emacs front. And I've discovered xfontsel is doing the same thing. [22:47] :( [22:47] I'm waiting for rworkman to come on so I can bug him, or if that fails, probably downgrade and try to just update the intel driver without upgrading the entire Xorg distribution. [22:47] shonudo: np..good luck [22:48] zaltekk (~zaltekk@71-15-84-157.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:48] zaltekk (~zaltekk@71-15-84-157.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:48] rirombo: assuming synaptic, 'synclient -l > foo'. maybe try fiddling with FingerLow, FingerHigh, FingerPress, or anything else that looks interesting [22:49] but don't fiddle with the red button... [22:49] I get a lot of good info from Arch wiki.. wasn't it based on Slack or some such? [22:49] just don't [22:49] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:49] nachox_ (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:50] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:50] alphageek: That's what I've been trying to do. Will keep on trying, I suppose :D [22:50] Palm* options may be useful as well [22:50] shonudo: Heh. No red buttons here. I had mine removed as a preventative measure ;) [22:50] Action: rirombo wonders if his touchpad even notices palms. [22:50] PressureMotion* too? [22:51] rirombo: check the output of synclient. that'll list all the capabilities [22:51] good one,alphageek...seen some forums pointing to that feature on troubleshooting [22:52] alphageek: Thanks, checking it out. [22:52] I stumbled over it somewhere when I was first setting up my netbook in spring [22:53] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:57] nyRednek: ya im here [22:58] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] This is weird. My touchpad responds to finger motion that's not even on the touchpad. [23:00] That might explain some of the problems I'm having at least [23:01] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:01] fingers hovering above, you mean? 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