[00:00] glad you like it. :) [00:00] deco: dang, you've been right twice tonight now, you've exceeded your limit. :P [00:00] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.79.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:00] fire|bird: so IT is a full moon....X_X [00:00] MLanden: indeed it is. [00:00] infidel: you can do it with the windows recovery disk or you can lookup WindowsKey_CD on google to find a torrent or a cd iso that uses the windows drivers to setup a password reset function. [00:01] That laptop with the failing disk is 100% saved. ddrescue cloned the Vista disk and gparted resized the Vista partition to fill the new, larger disk completely. Totally awesome. [00:01] NaCl: tell the wicd team ty from me, it is a great tool [00:01] mfillpot, ok thanks [00:01] NaCl: I have been messing a lot lately with updating things, etc. My laptop is my testing grounds. Earlier today I grouped the nick bleeding|edge :P [00:01] gotta love using Slackware to save Vista [00:01] antiwire: now use it to kill Vista. ;) [00:01] lol [00:02] I would if it was my laptop [00:02] The owner is stoked though [00:02] no data loss even after super critical disk issues [00:02] antiwire, whose the owner? [00:03] A client; friend of a friend. [00:03] ah, and.. it's not better to use 7? i haven't tried it but... [00:03] why would I force an upgrade? [00:03] i would like to know oppinions about, couse nowadays i have a partition with xp for gaming [00:03] Vista works fine. They had a hardware failure. Not a software failure. [00:04] antiwire: I thought vista is a software failure [00:04] heard about the black screen of death recently [00:04] yes, what i've tried of vista was a mess, really slow in performance [00:04] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [00:04] fire|bird: heh [00:04] You can think what you want to think but hands on experience beats thinking and guessing. [00:05] but never used, vista or 7, latest i tried is xp sp2 :D [00:05] saving a users data with as little fuss or change as possible is what keeps a customer/client coming back [00:06] Since all the time I spend on windows is doing repairs for co-workers all I have seen of vista is errors, memory corruptions and registry corruptions. [00:06] fire|bird: I can direct you to a bleeding-edge wicd. :P [00:06] andarius, that's true, when dealing with people which don't know anything about soft. [00:06] even when dealing with those that do. [00:07] I cloned this system and stretched the partitions with absolutely no data loss. The system is 100% exactly functioning as it was. The only changes I made were complete Windows updates / service packs. [00:07] sharing ones "opinion" about an OS will only agrivate them [00:07] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [00:07] guys, i have some problems on desktop, its home pc. i was running XP and have several disk errors, changed disk, and thing continue, can be ATX power supply the problem? [00:08] for example i installed and family used ubuntu for 10-15 days and grub now do error 17 [00:08] it's like loosing data, memos are checked and no errors there [00:09] Sounds like your friends need a friend who knows what they are doing. [00:10] anyone here on 2.6.31.x and knowledgable in the ways of process accoutning? [00:10] using 2.6.31.6 [00:11] he said knowledgable :P [00:11] deco :( sucker [00:11] lol [00:11] NaCl: I built 1.7.0a1 earlier. :P [00:11] acidtripper: lol :P [00:12] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:12] somebody know if that data loss on disk maybe related to power supply? [00:12] Yes, it could be related. [00:13] is anyone good with fdisk and cfgdisk? because it is saying it's a 40.0gb hd and on the hard disk it self says it's 80 can i fix that? [00:13] firedix (n=firedix@host6.200-45-35.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:13] It could also be related to bad ram, failing disks, failing disk controllers, bad cables, entirely failing motherboard..etc... [00:14] mm disk, its 120gb sataii, recently bought, memos are tested, mother as i see is working properly and power it's a bit old and generic.. so could be [00:14] step 1. backup critical data. [00:14] step 2. completely test the disk. [00:15] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [00:15] including fsck/badblocks/smart captive test [00:15] Masterx831: i'm not sure that's a problem [00:15] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "some things I just cant fix, you lack of $clue is one of those ;)" [00:15] lol [00:15] andarius quit message ftw [00:15] indeed. [00:16] fire|bird: there's a 1.7a2 now [00:16] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:16] phoenix^: there's wicd 1.7.0a2 [00:17] NaCl: link please? [00:17] http://downloads.wicd.net/src/latest/ [00:17] NaCl: thank you. [00:17] If you use dhclient, it will probably blow up. [00:18] NaCl: ok [00:18] We know about it and it will be fixed in a3 [00:19] NaCl: ok, cool. thanks. I'll build it in a few on the laptop. [00:20] NaCl: wait .. wouldn't that be a good thing to turn people away from dhclient? ;) [00:20] heh [00:20] People from ubuntu will be scared away. :P [00:20] We don't really want that. :P [00:20] haha [00:21] lol [00:21] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:21] hehe, fair point :) [00:22] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.25.135) joined ##slackware. [00:23] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-39-75.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:23] ubuntu pushes dhclient? [00:23] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:24] dhclient itself works fine, although older versions lack the ability to send a dhcp hostname via a command line argument. [00:24] hMm.. I don't trust those statstistic chart they say reiserfs is much bettter then ext3 and ext4, but in my opinion ext3 is more stable, and ext4 is performance. I don't have experience on reiserfs so I can't say my opinion anyone here know about it? [00:24] the general mathematical truism i've heard is dhclient never works and dhcpcd often works [00:25] using wicd 1.6.2.2 here :( [00:25] lol [00:26] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:29] NaCl, are you building package or only compiling and installing? [00:29] acidtripper: compiling and installing. [00:29] I reinstall it often. [00:29] why? [00:29] because I change it a lot. :) [00:29] acidtripper: NaCl is a wicd developer ;-) [00:30] NaCl: deco :... lol that explains it all [00:31] developer and he didn't know link where latest version was? [00:31] acidtripper: -_- [00:32] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:32] .... [00:32] acidtripper: 1.6.2.2 is stable [00:32] yes, that's version im using.. and i don't have problems [00:33] i was planning to build latest, but no sense on doing it [00:33] acidtripper: 1.7.0 is probably going to be finished in december. [00:33] what are the improvements/changes? [00:33] wicd? is that some python GUI annoyance? [00:34] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:34] only if you use the gui client [00:34] most times, i'd rather prefer making my own script for wireless, but it's a useful tool to manage wireless via gui [00:34] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.25.20) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] impy (n=impy@88.147.70.16) left irc: [00:34] wicd is a network manager written in python - works with wired/wireless and has a cli client as well as a gui client [00:34] mbohun, yes it is :P [00:35] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] acidtripper: http://pastebin.com/d35b3fbde [00:37] NaCl: what is urwid [00:37] ? [00:37] hmm: optional: iwlist eth1 scan | grep -i essid; then emacs/vi /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf; then /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -ieth1 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf; and /sbin/dhcpcd -h `/bin/hostname` eth1 [00:37] alisonken1noc: it's what wicd-curses is written with [00:37] ah [00:37] i really don't get why people want GUI for that, especially slackware users [00:38] mbohun: it's a convenience. [00:38] slackware does not mean "cli only" [00:38] besides most people i know have to kill gnome network manager (not sure how much is wicd getting into the way) in order to make their wireless work [00:38] isn't the recommended method to use $() instead of `` now? [00:38] mbohun, yes it's really easy writting a stupid script for that, but for desktop wicd it's a usefull app [00:39] mbohun: wicd is for laptops that move around a lot. [00:39] des-ktop? what is that? [00:39] It's much easier to fill in a bunch of boxes than it is to write up a wpa_supplicant config file. [00:40] slackware seems to be moving more and more from its good BSD roots, i m very worried [00:40] mbohun: slackware never had roots [00:40] as long as the basics are there, what's the problem? [00:40] the roots radicals!! [00:40] mbohun, how many time using slack? [00:40] since 1996 and getting more and more worried [00:40] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:41] paradroid (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:41] mm, are you going to be behind console all your life? [00:41] mbohun: you don't ahve to you use the desktop stuff. [00:41] most likely gentoo - seems to be the last refuge, before trying linux from scratch or smoething [00:42] what's your point? useful apps make community grow, or? [00:42] slackware had bsd root? heh [00:42] what root's you smoking? [00:43] mancha, maybe package system [00:43] i m not surprised you can't even tell [00:43] system v / bsd [00:43] init script, that's true [00:43] wow [00:44] packages are kinda ports as bsd [00:44] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:45] but, that cannot be named as roots, i mean is linux, have some implementations but core is linux [00:45] roots are sls not bsd [00:45] bsd is bsb and linux is linux :P [00:45] that's what im saying can have some things related to bsd but roots are linux [00:46] that is always great to argue about words, like if someone said that slackware used to use some *bsd kernel [00:46] that would have been news [00:46] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [00:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429212.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:47] acidtripper you wouldn't understand my point [00:47] mancha, stop smoking pot there [00:47] and go to sleep with chinese eyes [00:48] :O [00:48] hello has anyone used dircproxy ? [00:49] what is actually wrong with smoking pot? [00:49] nothing, here im eating some special brownies ;) [00:51] how is called in english what slacware penguing have in mouth? [00:51] pipe? [00:51] acidtripper: yeah [00:52] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [00:52] why is that pipe there? does pat smoke or it's related to the slack word, i read someting about it, but never remember [00:52] church of the sub-genius - bob [00:52] bob [00:53] fail :) [00:53] it's "Bob" <-- with quotes. [00:53] ah [00:54] ahh, that was... that face :P [00:54] or J.R. Dobbs, on his driver's license [00:57] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host114-70-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[01:54] that's what nmap reported for UDP and TCP port scan [01:55] dchmelik, doesn't mean you shouild be advertising in here [01:57] Her0 (n=jkemp@174-157-50-212.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] I am not advertising for anything... I am singing the Free Software song [01:59] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.67) joined ##slackware. [02:03] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Client Quit [02:07] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:07] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.195) left irc: "Leaving" [02:07] if there is an OSS song I do not think it would be off-topic to quote a line from it [02:08] crimsonhawk345 (n=crimsonh@oh-74-5-51-64.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] greetings from frist slackware install [02:09] welcome! [02:09] thank u [02:09] dchmelik has been drinking again [02:10] I do not drink [02:10] howdy crimson [02:10] howdy wulf [02:11] question for u guys xfce or opembox [02:11] openbox [02:11] that wasnt what i asked for but whatever [02:12] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.25.135) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:12] brbrbr (n=br@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:13] prefer xfce [02:13] rza_Sharp (n=dfhdf@bas4-kingston08-1242465122.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:15] i been using open alot with #! but wanna try something new aren't all the box's pretty much the same [02:15] viu (n=n@185-247-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] russian channel available? [02:16] hrmm, anyone know of a channel where high level linux dev talk occurs? [02:16] rza_Sharp (n=dfhdf@bas4-kingston08-1242465122.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: [02:16] #highlevellinuxdevtalk [02:17] my isp is banned from that [02:17] mancha: the 'light level' and 'dev' cannot be compared. [02:17] viu, what does that mean in engrish? [02:18] grazymax (n=grazymax@host115-4-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Morn [02:18] mancha: it is mean that such channel does not exist. [02:19] or cannot be exist... [02:19] Her0 (n=jkemp@174-157-50-212.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:19] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-086-218.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:19] Zordrak: gday [02:20] in early to do maintenance [02:20] bet they still bitch [02:21] its all they know how to do [02:21] rza_Sharp (n=dfhdf@119.62.128.47) joined ##slackware. [02:21] right up there above doing their job (poorly) [02:21] nail on the head. [02:22] aren't you bitching too? [02:22] funny that i've never had a job doing that sort of thing yet can relate so well [02:22] mancha: well he can actually do his good well, WHILE bitching [02:23] oh [02:23] its time to do the windows updates on the AD server [02:23] WSUS? [02:23] which means everything stops [02:23] WSUS is unreliable and doesnt cover everything.. not to mention its been due a reboot for updates for over a month [02:24] dchmelik is not an aqueous based life form. [02:24] Action: Zordrak scoffs at the idea of a server OS that MUST be rebooted for updates [02:24] Zordrak: theres that thingy in esx server that allows you to apply updates and reboot without any downtime, through forking the running machine image then merging it back in [02:25] ew.. nice that its possible but its an expensnive and kludgy way to do what i could just do anyway with any other OS [02:25] kingbeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) left irc: "Tired..can't go on..." 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[04:21] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.15.168) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:22] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [04:24] Axius (n=ade@92.85.210.218) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:27] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:29] extor (n=extor@c-98-193-85-83.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:31] I am using KDE 3.5, I am trying to change the screen resolution for one user in the Control Center, but 1) it seems to change it for the everyone, 2) Upon reload, it reverts to the original screen resolution [04:32] elliot98, which slackware version is that? [04:33] Distantly (n=Fanciers@61.43.249.4) left irc: "Leaving" [04:39] Axius (n=ade@92.85.210.218) left irc: "Leaving" [04:40] setting resolution as root maybe? [04:40] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:41] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [04:42] 12.1 [04:43] I am looking to 13.0, what are txz files? [04:43] what are the pkgconfig files for? [04:43] elliot98, xz compressed tar archives, lzma 2.0. [04:44] elliot98, txz is what used to be tgz in previous slackwares. [04:46] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:46] hi [04:46] i have a question [04:46] can anyone here help me? [04:46] dont' ask to ask just ask :) [04:46] elliot98: review the changelog from 12.1 to 13.0 to see change to txz [04:47] ok! [04:47] cool thanks... [04:47] s/12.1/12.2/ [04:47] crashdata: depends on the question, but just ask [04:47] if you don't get a response, the probably not [04:47] I remember Vector linux started using lzma [04:47] way back [04:47] I guess Slackware started too as well [04:48] Nick change: nyRednek -> djinn [04:48] alisonken1noc: its very noobish question... i have compiz installed, nvidia driver also, got the compiz setting manager but for some reason i cant run compiz [04:48] well xz is a much improved lzma. pat just needed more space on the disks :) [04:48] Nick change: djinn -> dark [04:48] which version of slackware/kde? [04:48] Nick change: dark -> dark_djinn [04:48] slack 13.0 gnome [04:49] you may have to hit up the #gnome guys, then since gnome was dropped some time ago [04:49] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-okftxznydfcgnlun) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [04:49] crashdata, gnome is not supported officially. [04:49] k. thanks... [04:49] I have a few systems deployed with 12.1 and it will to heavy right now to upgrade all of them, do you think it is feasable to create some backport packages for standard applications, such as firefox 3, openoffice 3, etc.? [04:49] s/to/be too [04:50] crashdata, i. e. gnome is used by 0.1% of people here, so your chances to get an answer in this channel are miserable :) [04:50] crashdata: however, did you also install the emerald theme? [04:50] this be an OLD alias for the ny rednek [04:50] one more question.. i have raid 0 set up on this machine....I also have an ntfs partitioned. but i cant seem to mount it.../dev/sda3 [04:51] elliot98, you can install ff3.5 and OOo on 12.1 without any problems, they are static builds. [04:51] how are you trying to mount the ntfs partition? [04:51] alisonken1noc: i played around with it...installing and uninstalling it but no avail. [04:52] static builds? I took the 13.0 slackbuilds a rebuilt the package [04:53] there are differences in the slackbuilds for firefox 3 and 2 [04:53] some diff files need to be applied [04:53] even 3.5.5 and 3.5.2 have differences in some patching [04:53] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [04:53] during install system was saying that it found my partition on /dev/sda3 but how do i make sure that my NTFS partition does inface reside on /dev/sda3 ??? [04:54] inface = infact* [04:54] crashdata: fdisk -l [04:54] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [04:56] i [04:56] bah [04:56] focus-fail [04:56] it is on sda3 but howcome it wont mount? [04:56] slava_dp: :) [04:57] i'm getting so such file or directory [04:57] slava_dp: I finally removed "graphics support" altogether from the kernel, X works fine and boot is silent :P [04:57] a bit too silent though... [04:57] crashdata: how are you trying to mount it? [04:57] Camarade_Tux, graphics support meaning the tuxes? [04:57] frullet: just mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/storage [04:57] vermele (n=vermele@82.78.78.155) joined ##slackware. [04:57] slava_dp: no, vga/vesa/framebuffer :P [04:58] *all* :P [04:58] it may be hda3, perhaps [04:58] and anyone has that fscking bootchart.jar? [04:58] this is what i got when i did fdisk -l [04:58] Camarade_Tux, huh? no framebuffer? so you don't get any virtual consoles at all, just X? [04:58] oh, good, I had a backup of the bootchart.jar :) [04:58] isk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes [04:58] 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders [04:58] Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes [04:58] Channel flood from crashdata -- kicking [04:58] Disk identifier: 0xceffceff [04:58] Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [04:58] crashdata kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:59] of the whole bootchart package actually \o/ [04:59] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] i wasnt flooding lolz [04:59] so it is on sda3 [04:59] slackboy sais the differ [04:59] use a pastebin for big pastes [04:59] slackboy, please don't do that again to crashdata! [04:59] slackboy is sensitive to any posts that are 3 lines or more in a short period of time [05:00] crashdata crashed [05:00] :) [05:00] Camarade_Tux, did you make lilo's bmp persist during the boot? [05:00] crashdata: ntfs-3g /dev/sda3 /mnt/point [05:02] frullet: i'm getting a different error now: [05:02] NTFS signature is missing. [05:02] Failed to mount '/dev/sda3': Invalid argument [05:02] The device '/dev/sda3' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS. [05:02] Channel flood from crashdata -- kicking [05:02] Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a [05:02] partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around [05:02] crashdata kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:02] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:02] danggit [05:02] is that a bot? [05:02] you'll never learn? :P [05:02] lolz [05:02] yay for crashdata :) [05:02] yes ^^ [05:03] lolz kinda fun actually hahaha [05:03] ..... not :P [05:03] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) left irc: "leaving" [05:03] ahh [05:03] i dont get it [05:03] y it wont mount [05:03] I've got FIrefox3 loaded up...everything looks ok, except, the background of slackware.com is all messsed up [05:04] it doesn't have those etch-a-sketch lines [05:04] it repeats an actual snapshot of the window [05:04] crashdata: pastebin your fdisk -l please [05:05] elliot98: which graphic driver? [05:06] is pastebin copying and pasting on the screen? [05:06] NO! [05:06] pastebin.com [05:06] Action: frullet smells a troll [05:07] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:07] http://pastebin.com/mf672b09 [05:07] crashdata, http://lmgtfy.com//?q=pastebin [05:08] dark_djinn (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:08] did that work? [05:08] hmm...I'll check, I just ran xorgsetup without looking [05:08] morning everyone; is it possible to attach commands to hibernate/suspend when they's managed through hal? [05:08] Kaapa, /etc/pm/ [05:09] slava_dp: ty [05:09] Kaapa, examples are in /usr/lib/pm-utils/ [05:09] that was going to be my next question! [05:09] copy them over to /etc/pm/ and make your changes. [05:09] it is using the radeon driver [05:10] seems like you formatted /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdbX [05:10] Action: Camarade_Tux just stepped into the conversation and probably missed a lot of things [05:11] Tux: firefox 2 did not give me any problems [05:11] I just upgraded to firefox 3 and now it's messing up [05:11] frullet: what do u think? [05:12] elliot98, use cam to auto-complete names. [05:12] slava_dp: thanks slava_dp [05:12] elliot98: might still be a bad graphic driver [05:12] I could try installing the ATI proprietory, but that's a hassle [05:12] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [05:13] I'm not doing much graphics [05:13] the radeon is working fine otherwise [05:13] ff3 should use hardware accel. radeon might be buggy (the old one) [05:13] elliot98: can you do a screenshot of the problem? [05:13] I'll see what I can get [05:13] h/o [05:13] ksnapshot [05:14] import ^^ [05:15] Camarade_Tux, kk, import is fine. [05:15] Camarade_Tux, so tell me, did you get the lilo bmp option working? [05:17] slava_dp: yeah, the problem was that the kernel was blanking everything very quickly and that made me think it didn't work but it actually did [05:17] so I removed the "graphics support" option in the kernel and now the kernel doesn't blank it anymore [05:17] Camarade_Tux, and you see the bmp during the whole boot, right? [05:17] but that makes it scarry: it looks like the computer is not starting :P (I'm going to bootchart it to make it boot faster ;) ) [05:17] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [05:17] slava_dp: yes, until X starts [05:18] dark_djinn (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:18] well, that's nice. [05:18] yeah :) [05:18] i'll just make a "System loading...." bmp for lilo :) [05:18] slava_dp: ;p [05:19] alienBOB: You mention on your multilib page http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ that I need to have a slackware 32-bit package tree available, so I obtained all the packages on http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/slackware64-compat32/, however when I run the massconver32.sh script, it says that the individual packages were not found. [05:19] impy (n=impy@88.147.70.16) joined ##slackware. [05:19] slava_dp: also, to get rid of the tuzes (but not of the screen blanking by the kernel), there is a kernel boot option: logo.nologo ;-) [05:19] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-254-90.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [05:19] Camarade_Tux, oh, very nice. [05:20] viu (n=n@185-247-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [05:21] btw, the raid 0 that i'm using is through hardware [05:21] dont know if that makes any diff [05:21] the firefox 3 issue is on a system that is restricted...is there any way to upgrade the radeon driver without upgrading the version of slakware althogether? [05:21] elliot98, nope, a new driver comes with a new X. [05:23] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:23] Distantly (n=Fanciers@211.180.33.90) joined ##slackware. [05:23] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:24] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Camarade_Tux: good call...I reverted back to a generic "vesa" driver and the problem disapated [05:25] the ati driver also gave me problems [05:25] dark_dji1n (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:26] how do I check with version of Xorg I am running? 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[05:26] elliot98, X -version [05:26] Nick change: dark_dji1n -> dark_djinn [05:26] slava_dp: http://omploader.org/vMndlNA/b.png [05:26] bet it's 1.4.2 :) [05:27] that's what I get during the whole boot ;-) [05:27] Camarade_Tux, :)))) [05:27] you should probably comment out "prompt" in lilo.conf or something [05:28] but the boot is really scary, I had the time to open a term, run import, scp the image to another computer, run optipng, open omploader.org in a new tab, browse to my screenshot, upload and paste the link here without any kind of visual feedback =: [05:29] slava_dp: not sure I get the image then, gonna check [05:29] and I still want to be able to use other kernels ;p [05:29] actually there are three entries but they're black on black ;p [05:29] it states my version is 1.4.0.90, and protocol version is 11 [05:30] aren't we at version 7 or something like that? [05:30] that's windows :D [05:31] we're at 1.6 or 1.7 ;-) [05:31] you're running slackware 12.1? [05:31] Camarade_Tux: yes, 12.1 [05:31] oh no, 12.2? [05:31] but good call :P [05:32] it's too difficult right now to upgrade an entire deployments to newer versions [05:32] 12.1 is hardly two years old [05:32] well, use vesa then. [05:32] askhader: if you grabbed all packages in http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/slackware64-compat32/ then there is no reason at all to run the massconvert32.sh script [05:33] 4 year upgrade increments is what I shoot for [05:33] Those backages you grabbed, they are the _result_ of running massconvert32.sh [05:33] I'm trying to backport some basic packages, such as firefox, openoffice, gimp, etc. [05:33] elliot98, in 4 years you're going to reinstall, not upgrade. [05:33] yes, reinstall, you're right [05:34] can't very well upgrade from 12.1 to SW 15 [05:34] well, there might be updates to radeon for that, dunno [05:34] Camarade_Tux, can grub retain it's picture? i'm thinking to try the trick with grub. [05:34] unless you have a time machine, updating to SW15 would be rather difficult :) [05:34] alienBOB: Yes, Sorry I realized that those were already the converted packages. [05:34] btw, is there a reason the proprietory ATI driver is not more recent versions of slackware? [05:35] in Slackbuilds.org [05:35] slava_dp: well, no idea [05:35] elliot98, might just have no maintainer [05:35] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:36] slava_dp: actually retain should be the easiest thing to do: it just disables code :P [05:36] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:36] askhader: to answer a much earlier question - you need to have a n original 32-bit Slackware directory tree as an argument to the massconvert32.sh script. Either your Slackware DVD, or a copy of the files you can download from any Slackware mirror server [05:36] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:37] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:37] ok...I was thinking maybe the open source ati driver has replaced the proprietory one [05:37] alice_ (i=alice@89.194.135.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:39] anyone remember where bootchartd puts its log file? [05:39] I know this is off topic, but what's up the xfree86? [05:39] how do you make an encrypted /home to be mouted @ login? the readme doesn't say. I can't afford slack to wait for the home password in the boot process because it must be fully accesible by other users, ssh [05:39] xfree86? you mean x.org :P [05:39] been deprecated for xorg for many releases now (xfree86) [05:40] I mean xfree86...is it being developed...I mean it looks like all major distros use xorg now [05:41] xfree86 had a split -that's why it was forked to xorg [05:41] does anyone use xfree86 anymore? [05:41] elliot98, xorg is a fork of xfree86. so everyone uses xorg. [05:42] I wondering what happened to xfree86 since the fork [05:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86 > elliot98 [05:42] some still use it, but most major distributions have switched [05:43] unless xfree86 has also done it, I'd say the major jump of modulizing Xorg in 7, is way ahead of Xfree86 [05:43] I have a question about RedHat. Is it so good? Everybody seems to know redhat [05:44] redhat has marketing and early headstart [05:44] but why doesn't it want to bootchart? ='( [05:44] RH is decent, but it goes back to what you want from your distro [05:45] I see Redhat as kind of in between Debian and Slackware...it has a more rigid package manager like Debian, but slightly more transparent like Slackware [05:45] O_o [05:45] eh? RH is transparent? [05:45] *lol* , bootchart hadn't stopped after ten minutes :P [05:45] last i used RH was RH9 but i don't see it being anything like slackware [05:45] so if i install RH on my computer it will make it transparent? :o [05:45] "slightly"...I mean the package manager just isn't as good as Debian's [05:45] last time I used RH was around v5 [05:45] Slack, Debian <--- over there ---> HUGE-O GAP-O <--- Over there ---> Red hat [05:46] slava_dp: I'm wondering if the autologin thing doesn't break some apps ;p [05:46] Zordrak, heh [05:46] Camarade_Tux, it shouldn't [05:47] Zordrak: how so? [05:47] slava_dp: well, bootchart failed to notice boot was over ;-) [05:48] Camarade_Tux, :D does it check for kdm to start or what? [05:48] How do i make slack to ass for the password of the encrypted /home at login, not during boot? [05:49] *ask [05:49] slava_dp: well, it works with startx ;p [05:49] Distantly: Debian has the habit to change packages around to suit their own needs, for example, I installed rubygems and the "upgrade" option has been disabled there [05:49] mount /home at login, not during boot, but I think you can't really do that [05:49] or move httpd to apache directory, etc. [05:50] Redhat tries to be a little more traditional, from what I see [05:50] Azeotrope: you want to ask the password only when the partition is accessed, right? [05:50] Azeotrope, your are asked for password when the filesystem is mouned. [05:50] elliot98, well some of their patches are really nice, like when they fix things (those usually become part of upstream iirc) [05:50] kde uses ~ directory for some options [05:50] kdm rather [05:50] there is no criticism here [05:50] just want you are looking for [05:50] but debian as a whole is very independent and authoritarian [05:50] Camarade_Tux: yes, sort of [05:50] their channel use to be the WRONG place to ask ANY question [05:51] I wonder if Ubuntu is an offshoot of that kind of behavior [05:51] there was a way in ubuntu.. with pam. if you had tha same password for home and user, it decrypted it at login [05:51] Azeotrope: mounting is accessing, if you mount during boot... [05:51] slava_dp: http://omploader.org/vMndlNg/bootchart.png <- see, it's even longer than a dead win98 ;p [05:52] Action: Distantly doesn't like autologin ... too many potential security problems [05:52] boot speed doesn't necessarily mean anything significant imho [05:52] Azeotrope, you have a great possibility to be the first to implement the same for slackware and submit it to pat :) [05:53] Azeotrope: personnaly, I don't like that :o [05:53] if you're worried about 60 seconds or less and you run a laptop, someone should slap you for trying to boot up at 5% battery power trying to do something real quick [05:53] slava_dp: what do you mean? [05:53] Distantly: what? [05:54] boot speed [05:54] Azeotrope, someone implemented that thing in ubuntu. you can do it for slackware. it's free software. you do what you like. [05:54] "what?" reffering to " if you're worried about 60 seconds or less and you run a laptop, someone should slap you for trying to boot up at 5% battery power trying to do something real quick" [05:54] Distantly, boot speed matters. [05:54] but how much it matters depends a lot on the situation [05:55] a lot here [05:55] if you need your boot speed to prevent evil people from nuking the city I live in, it's very important [05:55] Distantly, it matters in every situation. [05:55] i said how _much_ it matters depends [05:55] i never said it doesn't matter [05:55] slava_dp: oh, yes. if one knows how to do that. i'm knida n00b [05:56] to me boot speed almost doesn't matter [05:56] http://blog.larsstrand.org//article.php?story=EncryptedSwapAndHomeUbuntu Part IV [05:56] Action: slava_dp stops trolling [05:56] Camarade_Tux, why does boot speed matter to you? [05:56] Azeotrope, ? [05:56] because I get no visual feedback for over a minute [05:57] that page looks like README_CRYPT.TXT [05:57] Camarade_Tux, framebuffer? [05:57] Distantly: there was the tutorial for Ubuntu with PAM and all... that maked the sustem to decrypt /home at login, using the login pass [05:58] Distantly: don't want, only want X [05:58] Azeotrope, this requires pam which is not in slackware. no joy. [05:58] Azeotrope: use noauto in fstab and edit your .profile file to mount the partition if needed? [05:58] Azeotrope: do you use graphical login? [05:58] Camarade_Tux, no i was asking if it was due to framebuffer (some lag a bit) [05:59] Camarade_Tux, your .profile _is_ on that non-mounted partition ;) [05:59] Azeotrope, nifty [05:59] yes [06:00] i know pam is not on slackware... [06:00] there was another article to that effect on another website that made it sound like Ubuntu was the first to make that concept possible (LVM+LUKS). i wrote a comment to set the record straight [06:00] slava_dp: not necessarily: make a /home/you/.profile which mounts the encrypted partition, then when you log in, it mounts it over and the .profile disappears [06:00] even better: you don't have to check the home is currently mounted :) [06:00] (Slackware 12.0) [06:00] this feature should be available in slackware. nowadays encryption is a must [06:00] Camarade_Tux, that's nice. [06:01] Distantly: you actually, I don't have FB set, I have consoles disabled and boot right in X [06:01] Azeotrope, pam? not on slackware. but the same thing (LUKS+LVM) has been since Slackware 12.0, which predates those articles i think [06:01] Distantly: encryption is slow ;-) [06:01] Camarade_Tux, no i was only asking if FB was the reason [06:01] Camarade_Tux, the thing is.... how will you pass the password to .profile? [06:01] encryption is slow but life as a bum when someone steals your info is worse 8-) [06:01] Action: slava_dp is out of the talk, gotta work. [06:02] Action: Distantly is surprised that dual via Eden motherboard with ACE Padlock didn't get marketed in laptop form [06:02] I was merely against some kind of "defaulting" to encryption [06:02] oh [06:02] well you can encrypt just /home but oh well [06:02] Distantly: not pam. the possibiltyu of having home decrypted at login [06:02] slava_dp: I don't use encryption, I don't know where it should be passed ;p [06:02] Azeotrope, again, you're incorrect. at boot i get _one_ password prompt to unlock my LUKS which in turn unlocks LVM etc. one. [06:03] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:03] I would ewncrypt the whole root, but i need services like ssh and ftp. If the power goes off, it's game over for me. [06:04] Azeotrope: ups always helps there [06:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [06:05] adamk (n=adamk@c-68-34-175-102.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:06] what is the name of package for kernel header files? [06:06] elliot98, kernel-headers? [06:06] yep [06:06] Azeotrope, you can still do that with encrypted setup [06:06] need to compile some things and it can't find 'em [06:06] alisonken1home, if you have a half-day outage, a ups won't help you :) [06:06] if the power goes off with XFS or EXT4 it's "game over" anyways [06:06] so get a UPS [06:06] get a gas generator [06:07] iirc you can get it to use the UPS to tell it to initiate a proper poweroff [06:07] Distantly: not really [06:07] (and don't put your monitor or printer on the UPS lol) [06:07] xfs has been rock solid [06:07] Distantly: What I want to do is this: when i power on the pc, it boots, it stars all my services (including transmission-daemon or rtorrent) an the waits for the users to login. [06:07] (for me) [06:07] slava_dp: if you're somewhere like the philipines, then a gas generator with a generous fuel tank is already recommended [06:07] Camarade_Tux, i know this, used XFS for a long time, ext4 now, it's only a warning due to the amount of caching. in real life i've never lost files either. [06:08] Azeotrope, ah then you can't because you need to put in the LUKS password [06:08] if anything, a ups with sensor input to cpu allows computer to power-down without corruption after extended power outage [06:08] Distantly, :D [06:08] Distantly: I know. that's my problem [06:08] what i was referring to was a website where they showed the whole "fully encrypted hard drive" using LUKS+LVM but they made it sound like Ubuntu is the first distribution you can do that on [06:08] alisonken1noc: I'm half Lebanese, when you go there and see the light bulbs turn lighter and darker at 30Hz or less... :P [06:09] Camarade_Tux: almost as much fun as DIW on the ship :) [06:09] Ubuntu is my first distro, it's really easy for n00bs but sometimes it really sucks. [06:10] *buntu was a diversion for me [06:10] just another toy that reminds me why I stick with slack [06:10] Divesion? [06:11] diversion [06:11] something that distracts from your current setup [06:11] or what you are looking for [06:12] i stopped even bothering with other distributions. for n00bs i give 'em mandriva but otherwise i recommend slackware or nothing. [06:12] anyways, g'night everyone [06:12] Distantly (n=Fanciers@211.180.33.90) left irc: "Leaving" [06:12] I instlled slack on anatoher computer and into a VM and I really, really liked it. But i am very accustomed with ubuntu and i am affraid if go fo slack i won't be able to pull it through. Graphic drivers, software install, dependencies [06:13] remember - you learn more from mistakes than from successes, or in the case of slackware, from not depending on tools that can have unintended consequences [06:14] Azeotrope: well, software install and deps will be the same as in VM [06:14] and deps are easy (as software install ;p ) [06:14] as for graphic drivers, nvidia is easy, fglrx should work too [06:15] what about the /home problem? that's the biggest of all [06:15] Azeotrope, just do a full install. and use sbopkg, it lists all dependencies in README's. nvidia is totally easy to install. [06:16] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.20.82) left irc: "Leaving" [06:16] ATI is also pretty easy.. [06:16] slava_dp: http://omploader.org/vMndlYQ/bootchart.png [06:17] for the moment I am trying to find a work around to protect my /home [06:17] better but it still feels like it takes ages, I hope it'll be faster in vbox (especially for I/O) [06:17] also, the cpu use is completely off, I have 4 cores [06:17] Azeotrope: login as root and mount before logging in as user [06:18] Camarade_Tux, you found how to make it stop? [06:19] Zordrak: That is what i did i the VM. But those services will be available? [06:19] ? [06:19] ssh, transmission, ftp [06:19] pam is really nice in terms of functionality. [06:20] slava_dp: "bootchard stop" ;-) [06:20] it sends a signal ;p [06:21] Camarade_Tux, :) [06:21] where does SW install the Kernel headers.../usr/src is blank? [06:21] /usr/include [06:22] /usr/src/linux is for the kernel source [06:22] elliot98, for future reference: less /var/log/packages/kernel-headers* [06:22] ok...how do I change where the source looks for headers? [06:22] it's looking for headers in /usr/src/linux [06:23] elliot98: depends on the source [06:23] -I option [06:23] usually [06:23] or as a configure option [06:23] installpkg kernel-source [06:23] kernel-source, a little too big [06:24] ln -s may help, but it's ugly [06:24] space constraints? [06:24] yep [06:24] not in the mood also [06:24] download a whole kernel for just its headers [06:24] Damn it... I can't use graphical login and /encrypted home. [06:26] elliot98: "what" is looking there? [06:26] do you think this feature will be enabled soon in Slackware? [06:26] Azeotrope, Camarade_Tux has outlined one possible solution. needs some testing though [06:26] good mornong all. [06:26] sant0 (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:27] mornin' [06:28] i've been awake way too long. [06:28] its 6:30AM [06:28] :( [06:28] Action: Zordrak is migrating to LUKS :/ [06:28] ok [06:28] Zordrak: fun times. [06:28] crypto? [06:28] Azeotrope, whether pam will ever make in into the distro depends on Pat entirely. possibly in 14.0 or later. [06:28] thats how i set up my entire 500gb hdd luks+lvm [06:28] acidchild: aye [06:29] i was bored and had not much better to do [06:29] i still use loopback [06:29] or aespipe ;/ [06:29] acidchild: im covering my back due to uncertainty in "the future" [06:29] well the first time the times sense then are just becasue [06:29] Zordrak: good move. [06:29] Zordrak: women or business? [06:30] Do you guys need PAM? Is it necessary in Slac [06:30] ? [06:30] not women [06:30] ah [06:30] good. [06:30] women will destroy you [06:30] :P [06:30] Azeotrope: a number of folks do need pam in slack [06:30] but you can't live without women either [06:31] yes :( i made friens with a japanese model recently and now we have planned to go for dinner [06:31] toastytoast, you could've if you'd never seen a woman in your life. [06:31] nothing but trouble :-( [06:32] lol [06:32] slava_dp: omg, but then think what the mind would consider attractive??! [06:32] ;/ [06:32] no women = lots of fucked up crazy men [06:32] abit like jail without the bars. [06:32] acidchild, o_O :D [06:33] what's the average age in here? [06:33] 4 [06:33] 3 [06:33] yah well, around 3-4 big diffrence. [06:33] acidchild: last year, I stayed up until 6:30 (the sun was starting to shine) and I got up at 7 :P [06:33] some of us are still pooing on cloth. [06:33] Camarade_Tux: i'm going to do that today, the sun rise is gonna be really nice. [06:34] yeah :) [06:34] need to cycle to the bank and get a bit of money out, grab something to eat. [06:34] should probly shower... [06:34] my project is almost done, give or take a few system updates and some water proofing... [06:35] 50Watt ERP 2.4Ghz Wifi AP two radios....bridged. [06:35] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:35] 50Watt? :o [06:35] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:35] yeah, could kill someone with it for sure. [06:35] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [06:35] Action: Camarade_Tux puts that on his laptop :P [06:36] i have a 1Watt amp and external antenna on my EEEPC [06:36] tis be pretty bad-ass [06:37] cant decide whether to reinstall on LUKS+LVM or migrate to it [06:38] migrate. [06:38] acidchild: you're trying to reach Mars? ;p [06:38] guess so [06:38] Zordrak: you might reinstall over something you wanted to keep [06:38] migrating takes more time but your lessl ikely to fuck up [06:39] Camarade_Tux: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3325/3532495742_0e5dc04744.jpg [06:39] acidchild: reinstall would be separate to a data copy [06:39] but i CBA with all the extras ive added.. so will migrahte [06:39] mmm, reinstall then... :D [06:39] ah yah [06:39] downfalls of slackware :P [06:39] acidchild: :o [06:39] cba? [06:39] of anything.. sbopkg would help.. but just CBA [06:39] cant be arsed [06:40] slava_dp: can't be arsed. [06:40] hehehe! [06:41] in either case im using a new disk and copying data.. just in one im doing config mods, in the other id be installing new [06:41] extor (n=extor@c-98-193-85-83.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:41] http://ziwall.net/~ash/gross-hooker.jpg [06:41] haha, just found that in my ~/public_html [06:41] ahaha. [06:41] ^ NSFW i guess [06:41] naw, its safe for work [06:43] i think she is wearing DIY sexyware [06:43] she did it while scraping a crackpipe out with her other hand [06:43] extor (n=extor@c-98-193-85-83.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:44] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.28.9) joined ##slackware. [06:45] nobody finding gross hookers amusing at this time of the morning? :( oh well i tryed. [06:45] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:45] acidchild, :-) [06:46] caio (n=caio@190.244.51.193) joined ##slackware. [06:46] cat /dev/brain > /dev/console != $proc open('/dev/brain'); $proc =~ m/disgression/ [06:47] Nick change: caio -> Guest60871 [06:47] hmmmm, perl :) [06:48] our $fridge == '0' [06:48] same here =/ [06:48] my $fridge == '0' here too ;< [06:48] Camarade_Tux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/psh [06:48] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.76.72.238) joined ##slackware. [06:48] wow, nice Zordrak [06:49] :) [06:49] its superawesome for all kinds of things [06:49] its not in pacman! :< oh noes. [06:49] Zordrak: I don't write perl ;p [06:49] Zordrak: I've only learnt to recognize my ennemies :P [06:50] (actually I have nothing against perl, it's just a bit too obfuscated but I definitely prefer it to python) [06:51] my $brain = "dislikes underscores\n"; [06:51] fsck python [06:51] the source says it only needs the kernel headers, but it attempts to enter the /lib/modules/2.6.24.5/build directory [06:51] way too many _'s [06:51] which doesn't exist because I have not downloaded the sources [06:51] acidchild: WHICH program? [06:52] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:52] bah, not acidchild, elliot98 [06:52] sorry ;) [06:52] Camarade_Tux: there is a program called 'which' [06:52] or are you making a joke ;< [06:52] ati installer [06:52] oh [06:52] what crack you toking today elliot98? [06:52] ;/ [06:52] it is looking for the makefile in build [06:53] elliot98: it definitely needs the kernel sources [06:53] acidchild: ;) [06:53] from the looks of things, I don't think you'd necessarily want the kind...on the other hand... [06:53] on Ubuntu, the headers install also a directory structure that "looks" like kernel sources [06:54] Zordrak: oh this is very coool [06:54] thanks :D [06:54] yeah, iirc they have a dumbed-down kernel sources package [06:54] it does tab completion too of perl! [06:54] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:54] elliot98: install k/kernel-sources* [06:54] acidchild: \o/ [06:54] SW doesn't have one? [06:54] acidchild: how does it complete "="? :D [06:54] elliot98: slackware has the kernel sources, much better [06:54] just displays everything in your '.' [06:54] elliot98, just install kernel-sources. [06:55] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:55] okay...guess, I'll need to make some room for it [06:55] acidchild: he [06:55] <300MB [06:55] the fact you can do REAL sockets from command line [06:55] omg <3 [06:55] Action: acidchild humps Zordrak's leg [06:55] I'm running on empty here...barely 100mg [06:55] it's a tiny partition on my hard drive [06:56] elliot98: then why does the graphics card matter, not like you can install any games anyways! [06:56] :) [06:56] :o [06:56] elliot98: /tmp ? [06:56] ommgg and bind() [06:56] >.< [06:56] elliot98, then sit on radeon, it works too. [06:56] Action: acidchild makes puddle [06:56] it's for my 3D-scorched tournament [06:56] :) [06:56] slava_dp: I would except it messes up Firefox [06:56] Zordrak: wow you made me kinda happy O.o [06:56] Camarade_Tux, what file has the kernel cheatcodes? [06:57] slava_dp: Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt [06:57] Camarade_Tux, quiet does not fully work for me, still outputs a couple of lines (warnings etc) [06:58] slava_dp: loglevel=0 [06:58] Action: slava_dp hugs Camarade_Tux [06:58] slava_dp: but the kernel will still blank the screen so you may have to disable the whole display [06:58] Action: Zordrak wants SSD. Migrating data using sata saps my life away [06:59] Camarade_Tux, i will do so shortly [06:59] I'm going to mount a disk-on-key to the /usr/src directory [06:59] than install the kernel source [06:59] elliot98: usb key? [06:59] yep [06:59] elliot98, good thing to do [06:59] avoid it [06:59] gonna be really slow I guess [06:59] Zordrak: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/JBi9vI92.html [06:59] wow thats just damn cool [06:59] elliot98: do you have free space somewhere else? [06:59] it's only to compile some sources [07:00] on a real drive [07:00] elliot98, can you bind-mount some other partition temporarily? [07:00] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.56.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [07:00] losetup :) [07:00] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.65.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:00] ... my desktop is running extremely slow cos im maxing the southbridge... ill get the link open eventually :) [07:00] Camarade_Tux: check that link out [07:00] which directory should I mount it to? [07:00] can also use a ramdisk if you have the ram :) [07:01] ;p [07:01] ramdisk...that sound nice [07:01] I should mount a ramdisk to /usr/src/2.6.24.5-smp ? [07:01] actually you can install the sources somewhere else, will work if you update the /lib/modules/2.6.24.5/build symlink [07:02] I'm just doing an installpkg install [07:02] so it will install it where it supposed to [07:02] acidchild: can I connect to you? :P [07:02] how do I mount a ramdisk? [07:02] haha, if you can get around my NAT sure. [07:02] acidchild: ='( [07:02] acidchild: ssh -R ? :D [07:03] heh, it aint rocket since... i could have already gotten access to your desktop by now... you clicked my links! [07:03] elliot98: mount -t tmpfs t /usr/src [07:03] will default to half of your ram [07:03] gotcha! [07:03] Hi. After updating with slackpkg my slack 13.0 (mirrors file is ok) I have FFox 3.5.5, which is not in recent security messages in the Slack page. Am I wrong? [07:03] acidchild: there's a puppy guarding my desktop -_- [07:03] Camarade_Tux, is there a kernel option to just disable the framebuffer so no screen blanking will occur? [07:04] Camarade_Tux: yah, i have a cat cat that will explode in a mushroom cloud of poop [07:04] slava_dp: couldn't find one [07:05] he's been stuffing his face ALL night and hasn't been to the washroom once. [07:05] slava_dp: also, I found out that there was nothing to disable a specific module at boot-time [07:05] Old_Spike0, update once again, you should get the patches. [07:05] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:05] acidchild: it'll explode at yours? I'm gonna trigger it :D [07:06] haha, he just looks so round and tubbyish atm [07:06] its kinda grossing me out, giving out allot of gas too O.o [07:06] Camarade_Tux, that's why i no longer compile everything statically inside the kernel... modules are far more comfortable. [07:07] Action: Zordrak is being *forced* to use an initrld againts his will.. JUST for luks+lvm [07:07] i use custom kernels in every other case [07:07] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [07:07] slackbox: well, I already downloaded and intalled all the updates, so 3.5.5 is now installed. Just that I was surprised not have seen the announce in the Slack web page. [07:07] well [07:07] slava_dp: here you need an initrd anyway ;) [07:07] Old_Spike0, 3.5.5 is in the changelog. [07:08] now that FF can update itself in slack cleanly i rebuilt my own locale and let FF handle updates [07:08] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/ChangeLog.txt > Old_Spike0 [07:08] Zordrak, how come it can? [07:09] Zordrak, seems like a security gap [07:09] *shrug* never bothered to investigate [07:09] Action: slava_dp suspects Zordrak to run as root [07:09] just worked [07:09] pthcaw [07:09] not root in the slightest [07:09] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-244-205.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.4/20091016092926]" [07:09] well, 64bit for me anyway [07:09] lies. [07:09] you just su - irc [07:09] so nobody can tell [07:10] irc is on a dedicated bok :) [07:11] [root@localhost] # ssh zordrak@ircbox.localnet -c -- 'irssi -c irc.freenode.net' [07:11] slava_dp: OK. Thank you. The most recent update (for FFox) in the official page is from 11-02. [07:11] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:11] acidchild: irc box isnt even local :) i use a dedicated box to ssh to screen on a dedicated box :} [07:12] -.- [07:13] Action: acidchild ties a power cable around Zordrak's throat [07:13] anyone have a nice command-line to gunzip all the manpages in /usr/man and keep the symlinks working? :) [07:13] dark_djinn (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:13] Camarade_Tux, _why_? :) [07:13] acidchild: thats more BP{k}'s thing ;) [07:13] Nick change: nyRednek -> dark_djinn [07:13] Zordrak: yes, he is another one of these too dry to be true people [07:13] Action: acidchild runs away [07:13] slava_dp: because I'm going to compress the disk image with xz [07:14] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:14] _bruno_ (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Camarade_Tux: i'm sure google would find you such a tool very quickly [07:14] _bruno_ (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:14] slava_dp: if I tar the manpages and xz that, I get down to 20MB, if I gunzip first, I get down to 8MB ;) [07:14] thats if its not already included on your system, you just dunno about it =p [07:14] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:14] may be more extreme actually [07:14] acidchild: find -exec ;-) [07:14] perl [07:14] :P [07:14] glob() \m/ [07:15] acidchild: probably [07:15] I only need to be able to tell which files are symlinks [07:15] daes partition type matter for luks+lvm? [07:16] Camarade_Tux: well find can detect the -type, right? [07:16] Nick change: fuzzix_ -> fuzzix [07:16] 83 / 8E / FD ? [07:16] acidchild: reading the manpage currently ;-) [07:16] Camarade_Tux, -type l [07:16] -type f is file [07:16] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs slava_dp :) [07:16] if ( -l $file ) { print $_ is a symlink } ; [07:17] [ -L "$file] && echo "$file is a symlink" [07:18] [ -L "$file" ] && echo "$file is a symlink" [07:19] Action: Zordrak pokes the luks knowledgists [07:19] use the fking door bell next time [07:19] does a bigger keylength affect performance? [07:19] or anything else? [07:19] cant imacine it should [07:19] no it doesnt [07:19] find /usr/man -iname *.gz -type l -exec 'A=$(readlink {}) && rm {} && ln -s ${A%\.gz} {};' [07:19] if you have the cpu, it shouldn't. unless it's a 486. [07:19] something like that :P [07:19] Action: Zordrak usually likes to double or quadruple recommended key sizes [07:20] vermele (n=vermele@82.78.78.155) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:20] dont. it just gets padded out anyways [07:20] Camarade_Tux, 1) '*.gz' [07:20] wheres the balance? [07:20] Zordrak: what does the key look like? [07:20] Camarade_Tux: ? [07:20] slava_dp: not good yet ;p [07:21] Zordrak: I don't use luks, what would be a valid key? [07:21] its phrasebased [07:21] indeed. [07:21] Camarade_Tux: on bootup, your initrd will ask you for a password [07:22] acidchild: if 512 is better than 256.. how big is irrelevant? 512? 1024? 2048? [07:22] if phrasebased, it shouldn't matter I guess [07:22] i would say anything over 512. [07:22] i use 2048 for normal rsa keys [07:23] you really want to type in that much each time you reboot? [07:23] you have a physical safe? [07:23] huh? [07:23] or are you unlocking using a USB key? [07:23] ill be typing the phrase, surely.. nat the key [07:24] yah, i was talking about phrase. ;x [07:24] im talking about the aes key size here... [07:24] yes [07:24] i thought we changed tact midway [07:24] heh.. ok.. so ^above questions.. related to aes [07:25] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [07:25] yah... i run 4096 which is ment to be military spec. [07:25] on luks? [07:26] Camarade_Tux: i tried to find a guide that would explain what you said earlier, on /home and login, but no success [07:26] use 4096 too [07:26] kk [07:26] aes-xts-plain? [07:26] Azeotrope: you mean with .profile? [07:26] uhh... i believe i picked that.. the box that had LUKS on it just went off line... i use aespipe and loop devices here.. [07:26] or essiv? [07:26] yes [07:27] Zordrak: well that depends, them choices are related to performance... [07:27] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.3.209) joined ##slackware. [07:27] gotta have a pro and con list on the interwebz somewhere [07:27] afaik from google the impact is likely to be insignificant [07:27] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-244-205.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] Azeotrope: create a /home/YOU/.profile which mounts the home partition over /home, it'll shadown that *fake* home [07:28] unless your dealing with 100s of TB accross small bus's :P [07:28] Azeotrope: make it available at boot on your / [07:28] 160G sataII [07:28] like your gonna care about performance issues anyways, you could have a ramfs for your /tmp or where ever gets heavy read/writes. [07:29] phx669 (n=phx669@189.71.159.250) joined ##slackware. [07:29] *nod* [07:29] its not like its windows with it thousand reads/sec [07:30] phx669 (n=phx669@189.71.159.250) left irc: Client Quit [07:30] meua (n=meua@n1sgir42.univ-paris5.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Camarade_Tux: ok. thanks [07:30] i have no got the foggiest about windows, i installed windows 7 on virtualbox the other day and got bored within minutes. havn't bothered booting it against since. [07:31] Azeotrope: if you need more details, just ask, my arm aches a bit so I try not to type to much right now ;-) [07:31] again* [07:31] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-16-158.lns7.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:31] acidchild: imagine linux.. but with /etc inside BDB, etc dir renamed to obfuscated hex strings.. and every process re-reading its config whenever it does *any* operation [07:32] Camarade_Tux: what should this .profile contain? [07:32] Azeotrope: the line to mount the luks partition [07:32] errr, the encrypted one [07:33] Zordrak: yeah thats fucked... good description [07:33] and slava_dp expressed concerns about that, it may not work, I can't tell, I don't use disk encryption [07:33] Zordrak: encrypted ram and swap ;-) [07:33] acidchild: oh.. and a completely ridiculous and barely usable kernel scheduler [07:33] swap will be encrypted [07:33] and then, you start swapping and you encrypt the encrypted :P [07:33] Zordrak: you can't even related the depths of /proc (weird hex strings) to sysctl (regedit) [07:33] Zordrak: and *ram* ;) [07:34] Zordrak: linux did it right, windows did it wrong. [07:34] ugh.. nood passphrase inspiration :/ [07:34] *need [07:34] Camarade_Tux_Rulez [07:34] :) [07:35] All your base.... etc :) [07:35] sha256sum /etc/passwd [07:35] Zordrak: name all your exgf's with a ! between their names. [07:35] youdonthavetheright [07:35] :P [07:35] how's that for passprhase inspiration? [07:35] acidchild: how did you guess my scheme?! :p [07:35] :> [07:35] hugohagogo (n=cleber@200.165.138.67) joined ##slackware. [07:36] hugohagogo (n=cleber@200.165.138.67) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:36] or do all your boyfriends people never knew you had. [07:36] ha [07:36] with a ! between [07:36] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:36] isnt that straterror's scheme? [07:36] nobody will beable to guess untl they recover their bodys [07:37] Zordrak: windows now does face recognition login [07:37] paradroid (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [07:37] i'm wonderng if anyone has done this with linux yet, there is 'libface' [07:37] x-ip (n=sakura-s@200.117.235.123) joined ##slackware. [07:37] which has all the functions needed to do it... [07:37] libface + PAM + LUK?? [07:38] libface? [07:39] hmm 76% on passwordmeter.com ought to do [07:39] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.33.96) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Reaver2 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Azeotrope: yes. [07:40] Aims at developing an open-source, cross-platform library implementing a variety of face recognition algorithms. [07:40] http://openbio.sourceforge.net/ [07:40] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [07:41] http://openbio.sourceforge.net/resources/eigenfaces/libface-0.0.1-prealpha1-tutorial/index.html [07:41] ugh [07:41] key size in XTS mode must be 256 or 512 bits [07:42] Action: Zordrak hates cryptography [07:42] cosplay ftw: http://images.ashots.org/lapin.jpeg and http://images.ashots.org/grosse-teub.jpg :) [07:43] acidchild: it is advanced enough to reject a photo of my face? [07:43] yes [07:43] Or my head cut off by a superspy? [07:43] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:44] Camarade_Tux: acidchild: you both said you used 4096 ... with what algo? [07:44] i get the feeling it wasn't aes. [07:45] 256bit aes... heh [07:45] cbc-essiv? [07:46] thats sha1 [07:46] so another 256 bit [07:46] i am looking for a voice morphing software? does one exists? I want to be able to speak with my neighbours voice or so [07:46] huh? [07:46] Action: Camarade_Tux uses that for ssh and gpg [07:46] sod it.. im using serpent [07:47] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.56.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:47] this doc says cbc prevents a watermark attack weakness [07:47] Examples for this parameter are: des, aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 or twofish-ecb. [07:47] cat /proc/crypto will show you the supported ciphers. [07:47] been there [07:48] The XTS mode uses two keys of the same size, therefore available sizes (using XTS-AES) are 256 (128 * 2), 384 (192 * 2) and 512 (256 * 2). [07:49] aes-i586 [07:49] i think im going serpent-cbc-essiv:sha256 [07:49] yep, serpent is awesome [07:50] hmm [07:50] serpent-cbc-essiv:sha512? [07:50] 256 [07:50] y? [07:50] will 512 work? [07:51] dont see why not... its in the kernel [07:51] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/SECURITY_System_Encryption_DM-Crypt_with_LUKS [07:51] you seen this page? [07:51] on it [07:53] try it :D anyways i gotta hit the shower before this headache gets worse. bbl [07:53] Artio (n=_@port-91811.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [07:54] :(( gentoo can decrypt the encrypted /home at login [07:55] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [07:55] only slack can't [07:56] Azeotrope, bug Pat to include pam :) [07:57] although i would try the .profile solution first [07:57] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:57] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:57] but i can't really help, i haven't done a single encrypted box so far [07:58] slava_dp: I am trying that [07:58] But how do I bug Pat? Where is he? will he talk to me? [07:58] isn't he like a god or so? [07:58] you need to sacrifice a goat :) [07:58] 1) by email 2) in the usa 3) maybe [08:00] do any of you if it is possible to add a line in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf stating that a certain command should be run every time a new chrooted sftp-session starts up? [08:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:00] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:00] hey how do I write the expression for 'find' to search for different file extensions, like *.png and *.jpg [08:01] in the same search expression.. [08:01] "*.(jpg|png)" doesnt do it [08:01] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:01] anyone around whos good with slackbuild scripts [08:01] Azeotrope, read this one: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1530 [08:02] you could use -regex [08:02] oobe: just ask, someone will pick it up [08:02] is there any way for Firefox or Flash to use an alternative tmp directory? [08:02] find . -iname "*.jpg" -o -iname "*.png" [08:03] ah yes -regex [08:03] slava_dp: omg. :)) [08:03] thrice`: also works, thanks [08:03] find -name *.png -o -name *.jpg [08:03] I have have a problem with a modified slackbuild script that works fine except it doesnt pickup the program name properly so if i were to removepkg pkgname it doesnt reconise it i added a part to add svn version i can paste bin it if you like [08:04] exit [08:04] OddtheCat (n=oddtheca@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:04] OddtheCat (n=oddtheca@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] the main problem being it doesnt display description as a result during install plus it could cause problems with upgradepkg and removepkg [08:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:04] oobe, yes please use a pastebin and also punctuation helps us read your sentences they are long [08:05] thrice`, yea sorry and thanks [08:05] here is the link to my slackbuild script http://pastebin.ca/1698323 [08:05] ok.. i have my new disk set up.. now to try to actually migrate to the bastard [08:06] $PRGNAM$VERSION-$SVNVER-$ARCH-$BUILD$TAG.${PKGTYPE:-tgz} ? [08:07] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:07] yeah i was desperate so i tryed anything but it didnt work before i changed that line [08:08] ppl that use xfburn - what gst plugins should I install? [08:08] every gst-* that's in sbo? [08:08] -good should luffice [08:08] *suffice [08:08] none or all wouldnt hurt either [08:09] sn18 (n=user@115.113.116.37) joined ##slackware. [08:09] thanks [08:09] Azeotrope: slackware can too, its part of pam [08:10] uh oh, little late on my responce. [08:10] i smell like old women cream now ;/ [08:10] anyone knows if xfburn handles flac decoding? [08:10] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:11] isn't flac covered in -good ? [08:12] acidchild: it can? i can use /home encryption and GUI login? [08:12] if you install pam [08:12] lol [08:13] rworkman: got the link...thanks! [08:13] any ideas thrice` [08:14] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] i just made a mythtv-0.22-fixes-i686-1.tgz file that looks perfect [08:14] what's the result of that script, oobe ? [08:14] but it has the same problem [08:15] mythtv-0.22_fixes-i686-1.tgz would be better, I think [08:15] i end up with the packages made with no problem [08:15] thrice`: I'll try! [08:15] acidchild: I can install PAM on 13 64 bit? [08:15] Action: Dominian slaps acidchild [08:15] but the problem is removepkg mythtv doesnt work [08:17] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [08:18] paradroid (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:18] Action: Camarade_Tux helps Dominian slap acidchild [08:18] Action: Camarade_Tux would maybe removepkg by hand [08:18] Camarade_Tux: how did your rescue go? :) [08:19] pprkut: the disk rescue? still running [08:19] hahaha [08:19] heh [08:19] pprkut: SpacePl0d helped me a bit hopefully :) [08:19] oobe, does /var/log/packages/ have a a mythtv-blahblah entry ? [08:19] oobe try the full name, as in removepkg myth....i486-SBo or whatever [08:19] Azeotrope: You can install pam.. its not that hard [08:19] Azeotrope: its getting everything to work WITH PAM that can be a challenge [08:19] Camarade_Tux: still running > smoking heap [08:19] Camarade_Tux: are you suggesting i'm a package that is removable. [08:20] pprkut: still 10GB to read, ddrescue should end with about 100 errors [08:20] Where do I set keyboard map for X... In TTY it's all good but everytime I reboot I need to 'setxkbmap 'se' (swedish in my case) ... earlier I used to set it in xorg.conf.. dosen't seem to be the case anymore.. [08:20] SpacePlod: speed increased to 650KB/s and tickling noises stopped though [08:20] acidchild: hahaha, no ;p [08:20] linXea if HAL-smart you need to edit your keyboard fdi [08:20] 10-keymap.fdi :) [08:21] Camarade_Tux: good because i was gonna rmmod your mother [08:21] thrice`, yea there all listed there and mancha removepkg full name works which is not the point [08:21] mancha, where exactly do I do that .. Sorry, Im not up to date about HAL [08:21] acidchild: as long as you don't mv /dev/you /dev/her -_- [08:21] not_toast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [08:21] Camarade_Tux: already did [08:21] dd'ed the contents of my balls on to her [08:21] linXea: read the CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT for Slackware 13.0 [08:21] okkk... sorry... haha [08:21] acidchild: 25 years ago? [08:21] you need a 10-keymap.fdi file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy, do you have one? [08:22] Camarade_Tux: that's still pretty slow. At least it's running [08:22] sahk0, will do.. [08:22] no! i am not your daddy [08:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:22] fuck off with your childsupport needs! [08:22] SpacePlod: yeah, 13GB left, should be done in a few hours, sounds ok [08:22] mancha, no.. [08:22] linXea the bad news is that its xml (i know right?) the good news is that its very basic xml [08:22] acidchild: I'm 21, my brother is 25 :D [08:22] you can probably find a skeleton in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/ [08:22] and well-commented xml [08:23] move it over and edit it to use SE and not the default US [08:23] mancha, Thank you.. sounds simple enough =) [08:23] oobe, mythtv-fixes-0.22-i686-1.tgz. don't ever change the -version-arch-build sequence. [08:23] /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi :) [08:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:23] I may need to do some testing with ddrescue over USB. I tend to avoid that, but it would be nice to know if that sort of throughput is normal for the traslation. [08:23] s/tend to avoid/don't do/ [08:23] linXea the line you wanna edit will look 'like' this: us [08:24] SpacePlod: well, actually I wasn't particularly worried because I already had those rates with non-damaged hardware and dd (bs=512), always seems really slow [08:24] SpacePlod: also, the rates could be as high as 20 to 40MB/s [08:24] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:24] ah [08:24] (and that wasn't just an artifact) [08:24] not_toast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: Client Quit [08:25] I believe that was is currently read could go faster in fact [08:25] Artio (n=_@port-91811.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: No route to host [08:25] mancha, I see it =).. All done =)... Hm, But I must say that it used to be easier =) [08:25] slava_dp, this is what im using now $OUTPUT/$PRGNAM-$VERSION-$ARCH-$BUILD-$TAG.tgz it still doesnt work [08:25] nottoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [08:26] linXea don't worry, xorg has dumped hal [08:26] Camarade_Tux: you're using "-d" with ddrescue, right? [08:26] I still don't see what you mean, "doesn't work" [08:26] SpacePlod: now, yes [08:26] Zordrak: how did that turn out? [08:26] mancha, Great =) [08:26] I wasn't at first though, I couldn't figure out the practical difference [08:26] oobe, not -tag! _$tag or just $tag [08:26] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:27] acidchild: rebooting nom [08:27] err.. whoops [08:27] ah [08:27] im rebooting into *nothing* [08:27] k. That'll slow things down as well sometimes. Again, the USB thing is a wildcard for me. Interesting, though. thanks. [08:27] helps if you copy the root data [08:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:28] well, I'm pretty happy with it, a day for the run, I've seen worse [08:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:28] well.. considering theres nothing in the new root partition at all.. thats a reasonably successful boot :) [08:28] mfilipe (n=me@mfilipe.eti.br) joined ##slackware. [08:28] and I haven't heard the computer nor the disk during the night and slept well, I wonder if the beer helped here ;-) [08:29] Zordrak: hahaha :P [08:29] got all the way to.. couldnt load /root problem-free [08:29] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:30] I'll bet the beer didn't hurt. [08:31] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [08:31] it never hurts ;p [08:31] erk.. whats the linx mode num for 1600x1200? [08:31] *linux [08:31] ie framebuffer [08:31] Camarade_Tux: so, you poured beer over the harddisk to not hear it over night? :P [08:31] people still use framebuffer? ;) [08:32] pprkut: poured the beer down my throat ;-) [08:33] thrice`, what do you use? [08:33] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:33] Action: adamk uses the framebuffer via KMS. [08:34] kms :> [08:34] Zordrak, 0x11C, I *think* [08:34] I've never tried, and I'm not even sure it works with the vesa framebuffer driver. [08:35] i got it.. its 0x034a, but thx [08:36] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:37] 0x034a is not right methinks [08:37] im in in rightc now :) [08:37] 31c through 31f seems more like it (depth depending) [08:37] 24 [08:38] Camarade_Tux: ;) [08:38] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:38] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:38] omgffswtf.. no rsync on the boot media [08:39] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: "leaving" [08:39] pprkut: and now I don't have any beer left ='( [08:39] still doesnt work i think i will get back to it later thanks for you help anyway guys [08:40] ok.. so im in the boot media.. ive opened the luks.. scanned and activated the LVs.. but it wont let me mount an lv :/ [08:40] no such file or dir [08:41] ugh.. i never made an FS on it [08:42] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:43] so i installed 12.1 and same problems as with 12.2 and 13.0 jsut not as bad [08:44] oh no! let me get my notes to see what your problem is [08:44] so i am sur enow its the mobo but i ned this laptop to work until i get enough money to buy a new one so i purchased a ne wmobo for it $20 on ebay [08:45] and it should get me by until i can get enough money to buy a new or slightly used laptop [08:45] we should penalize run-on sentences! [08:45] now.. what to update when this is done.. fstab of course, lilo mods and run.. maybe thats all [08:45] i'm sorry. [08:45] jsut the way i type [08:47] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:48] nottoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: "leaving" [08:49] nottoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [08:51] when I watch flash videos with firefox they are stored in the /tmp directory...is there any way to change this behavior and to them be saved in another directory? [08:52] elliot98, just use tmpfs for /tmp :) [08:52] hehe [08:53] but I want to save the videos somewhere else [08:53] elliot98: that is a classic situation to write a script :) [08:54] so there no way just to export TMPDIR or something like that [08:54] elliot98: what about the video download helper addon? [08:55] those are all good...but videos is not the only time I need to change tmp directory [08:55] like slava said...tmpfs [08:55] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:55] I just thought there would be a simple way to export TMPDIR [08:56] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.107.81) joined ##slackware. [08:56] sn18 (n=user@115.113.116.37) left ##slackware. [08:56] aw cmon 15MB/s? you can do better than that! [08:57] elliot98: maybe if you messed around wiht firefox setting? [08:58] I'll look into that...wonder if the flash plug-in uses firefox parameters though [08:58] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:00] elliot98: actually, many apps *will* respect a TMPDIR setting in the user's environment. [09:00] e.g. see mktemp(1) [09:03] Nick change: rrh_ -> rrh [09:03] Zordrak: owned. [09:03] :P [09:04] Camarade_Tux, so shall i just disable "support for frame buffer devices" in the kernel? [09:04] grazymax (n=grazymax@host115-4-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] slava_dp: I went for the whole "graphics support" thing, less will do it too but I can't remember precisely what =/ [09:07] Camarade_Tux, with disabled graphics support, can you boot to runlevel 3 and still get a text login prompt? [09:07] acidchild: by? [09:07] slava_dp: no [09:07] slava_dp: that's why I have several kernels [09:08] oh shit. ok. [09:08] grazymax (n=grazymax@host115-4-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:08] slava_dp: just make another invisible lilo entry :) [09:08] Nick change: chipster_ -> chipster [09:09] how much kernel does that save? [09:09] slava_dp, If you don't mind me asking, what are you trying to accomplish? [09:09] Zordrak, it's not for saving, it's for a silent boot with no messages and a lilo bmp. [09:09] adamk, ^^ [09:10] no luks then ;) [09:10] slava_dp: so will you be able to see the virtual consoles ? tty[n] ? [09:10] i mean after the boot ? [09:10] Not sure about the lilo bit, but you can always get a silent boot from the kernel by passing an option like 'console=ttyS0' [09:10] init[1]: nope [09:10] obviously no luks. [09:10] Zordrak: ah :) [09:10] adamk, but you get a black screen during the boot. i want an image to be displayed. [09:10] That will redirect the console to the first serial port, but still show a login prompt. [09:11] Ahhhh... [09:11] was thinking something like splashy would do, but it's so much hassle [09:11] slava_dp: A3 printer, bluetack & a sharpie? [09:12] s/printer/paper/ [09:12] Weird0ne (n=rogue@99-160-155-34.lightspeed.bkfdca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [09:12] as far as I'm concerned, I don't like the splashy/bootsplash/whatever things [09:12] slava_dp: bootsplash or something like that that [09:12] slava_dp: without the framebuffer (as you have disabled it) how are you gonna see the image while it boots ? ,or will you stare at the lilo image ? [09:12] Heh. [09:13] init[1]: the lilo image: bmp-retain :P [09:13] Camarade_Tux: yea ,i was thinking of smthing like that :D [09:13] init[1]: I'm already doing it :) [09:13] init[1], i'm thinking of retaining the lilo image... it's the easiest of the available options. [09:13] I'll have to screen that btw [09:13] how did people live before rsync? really. [09:14] Camarade_Tux, but i don't enjoy your lines of text on the lilo image. [09:14] slava_dp: ah got cha [09:14] slava_dp: ? [09:14] Zordrak: ftp was doing well before that [09:14] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.218.212) joined ##slackware. [09:14] ftp should die [09:15] Camarade_Tux, on the screenshot you showed you have the text stuff from lilo left, like a timer and so on. that looks awful. [09:15] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:16] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-129-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:16] msft just released their "most tried" user/pass list from an ftp honeypot of theirs [09:16] mako-sama, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie read this [09:16] slava_dp: yeah, everything not ready yet ;-) [09:16] ftp is so slow [09:16] bye (timeout) [09:17] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.107.81) left irc: Client Quit [09:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] mako-sama: ftp is not ca/abl [09:18] mako-sama: ftp is not capable of incremental backups with progress bars from one disk to another [09:18] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.3.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428292.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Zordrak: no it's not, but ftp was what people used before rsync [09:18] its not even close to what its designed for [09:19] mornin peeps! [09:19] mako-sama: no.. cp is [09:19] Action: slava_dp used scp before rsync ;-) [09:19] ^ [09:19] agentc0re: sup foo [09:19] Action: Zordrak keeps getting agentc0re and acidchild mixed up [09:19] Anyone know of a slackbuild for nethack? :-) [09:19] only because you fail at tab complete. [09:20] :P [09:20] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [09:20] agentc0re: no i mean it.. cos youre not often here together and you are reasonably similar people.. the memory merges [09:20] if i think about it i know youre different though.. [09:20] Action: slava_dp marries agentc0re to acidchild [09:20] but initially. [09:21] s/to/and/ [09:21] Action: agentc0re slaps slava_dp [09:21] hi i got a little trouble setingup x in my fresh install [09:21] we don't need any of your sick fantasy dreams being mentioned here. :P [09:22] Action: slava_dp slaps agentc0re back :) [09:22] Action: Zordrak whaps his hand around slapping agentc0re and slava_dp in one movement [09:22] Thanks, i need a good pat on the back. [09:22] gentoo (n=gentoo@122.172.104.67) joined ##slackware. [09:23] hello everyone [09:23] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [09:23] kimjeng: do you think thats gonna help us slove the issue ? explain [09:23] kimjeng, anything other than that? :) [09:23] omg its gentoo [09:23] ricer! [09:23] Zordrak: do you use iNag for nagios(if you have an iPhone that is)? [09:23] lol, ricer. [09:23] gentoo (n=gentoo@122.172.104.67) left irc: Client Quit [09:23] lol [09:23] hahaha :P [09:23] heh [09:23] rsync -ave ssh root@slackware.com:/home/volkerdi /mnt/agentc0re\'sback/. [09:24] prashant (n=gentoo@122.172.104.67) joined ##slackware. [09:24] agentc0re: no.. i dont have a limp-wristed jobs-humping wallet-replacement jesus-phone [09:24] Action: slava_dp didn't know slackware.com is so insecure to have a remote root login enabled :P [09:24] agentc0re: i have a Nokia E90 [09:24] init[1] : i m posting my xorg.conf and xorg.0.log to pastebin [09:25] agentc0re: but Nagios sends me SMS messages and i also have the nagios thunderbird addon [09:25] kimjeng: are you on 13 ? [09:26] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [09:26] elliot98 (n=elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [09:26] init[1] : ye sir [09:26] Zordrak: any other plugins you like and use? [09:26] for tb? [09:26] Zordrak: nagios. [09:26] a few [09:27] difficult to remember which are native and which i added [09:27] kimjeng: did you create the xorg.conf by yourself ? [09:27] theres a check_memory.pl i add [09:27] not entirely [09:27] uum [09:27] kimjeng, which graphics card do you have? [09:28] intel built in [09:28] how can i use backspace in make menuconfig? it does not work! [09:28] check_ide_smart, check_hddtemp [09:28] as long as hald is running, you shouldn't need a xorg.conf (sometimes, it can cause issues). try startx with your xorg.conf removed [09:28] slava_dp: works for me [09:29] heres the pastebin : http://pastebin.com/m24b22f59 [09:29] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:29] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [09:29] init[1]: i added the "1024*768" myself [09:29] agentc0re: check_hddtemp relies on hddtemp.. but theres its on SBo courtesy of yours truly [09:29] shouldn't bash no interpret things between cat << EOF > foo blblblblblblbl EOF [09:29] ? [09:32] Camarade_Tux, 'EOF' [09:32] the first one [09:32] also, with <<- 'EOF' you can indent the following block. [09:32] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [09:33] kimjeng: i'm checking [09:33] init[1]: ok [09:34] kimjeng: that Intel 945G chip is a problem on Slackware 13. Have you tried with the vesa driver? [09:34] nope [09:35] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host114-70-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:36] wtf? kimjeng, try killing your xorg.conf and doing "startx" :) [09:36] kimjeng: try a simple xorg.conf with just a device section and Driver "vesa". [09:36] slava_dp: :) [09:37] Camarade_Tux, you're welcome :) [09:37] bacon!!! [09:37] thrice* : you mean i delete it? [09:37] kimjeng: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14611 <- its a confrimed bug ,and there seems to be a patch for it, did you use the newest driver ? [09:37] or rename it to xorg.conf.old [09:38] init[1] : no [09:38] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [09:38] good morning everyone [09:38] I think switching to vesa might be a bit extreme. [09:39] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.28.9) left irc: "Leaving" [09:39] It's not detecting a monitor on the VGA port, but this is a laptop? [09:39] Oh, and 1024*768 is wrong, also. It should be 1024x768. [09:40] init[1], that bug dates WAY back [09:40] have fun everyone. [09:40] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [09:40] kimjeng, generally, you do not need a xorg.conf for open-source-driver chipsets [09:40] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:41] thrice : the safest thing to do at this point? [09:41] run for your life! [09:41] kimjeng: Can you just remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, try and start X, and pastebin the generated /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? [09:42] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:42] adamk_ : doing it [09:42] what about X -configure then copy /root/xorg.conf.new as /etc/X11/xorg.conf [09:42] kimjeng, can't hurt :) it's definitely the best place to start. [09:42] Pig_Pen, why? [09:42] why not? [09:43] kimjeng: If it still doesn't work, there are various other versions of the intel drivers that slackware 13.0 shipped in /testing, iirc. [09:43] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:43] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:43] Pig_Pen, because hal does this work, because his xorg.conf is causing issues, because he has an intel chipset [09:43] john_dee (n=id@95-29-145-249.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:44] it gives a nice working default xorg.conf file to work with if you need to modify [09:44] no thanks, i dont like or trust hal, (not debus either) [09:44] I'd prefer to see what Xorg is doing without the interference of an xorg.conf file. [09:44] no, xorg.conf is obsolete for intel / OSS-cards, and can butt-heads with hal [09:44] I wouldn't call it obsolete, but mostly unnecessary. [09:44] crap, I forkbombed myself [09:45] Pig_Pen, that's fine, but you shouldn't recommend your (ancient, crappy) ways on others ;) [09:46] kimjeng: try it without xorg.conf [09:46] xorg.conf works fine for me [09:46] yay for ancient crappy ways... good for Pig_Pen [09:47] sagival (n=L0@athedsl-285061.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:48] not ancient or crappy, i think dbus & hal is the start of that slide down that slippery slope towards ms-windows functions [09:49] All I know is that this xorg.conf will allow my dual-screen setup to work, so I kept it. [09:49] adamk_ : heres what u requested : http://pastebin.com/m56173faf [09:49] Pig_Pen, what functions? That I install slackware, and use "startx" without having to spend time creating config files? [09:50] Pig_pen : i think thats what u alo asked [09:50] *also [09:50] kimjeng: I asked for it without an xorg.conf file :-) [09:50] Not that I think it will make much difference, honestly. [09:50] kimjeng: This is a laptop, though? [09:51] no desktop [09:51] Is the monitor hooked up via a VGA or DVI port? [09:52] Pig_Pen: i can understand.. but there is a need for some stuff to *just work* if linux is to get any kind of widedoption [09:52] vga [09:52] not that i know what dvi is anyway [09:52] harksaw (n=sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:52] how can you persuade a windows user to live in linux userland if they cant get the desktop up? [09:52] I also enjoy hacking configs and such, but there is no reason xorg cannot detect my mouse and keyboard on its own [09:53] kimjeng: Yeah, the issue is that the driver doesn't detect a monitor attached to the VGA port. [09:53] if you make Linux easier for dummies to use then what do you get? a bunch of dummies using Linux, ubuntu proved that already [09:53] kimjeng: dvi has been standard on gfx cards for years [09:53] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [09:53] yay for backups :) [09:53] no! ubuntu proved that if you evolve the stupid crap that people struggle with, more people will use linux. [09:53] Action: Camarade_Tux whistles [09:54] kimjeng: Can you try one of the other intel driver versions in /testing ? [09:54] the whole "we want to keep idiots away from linux" is so retarded [09:54] thrice`: agreed [09:54] adamk_ : how [09:54] thrice`: almost nobody say that [09:54] Pig_Pen: theres a fine line.. and i believe that getting a system installed at its most basic and getting it running needs to be as simple as possible... after that.. what you do with userl/and or how you tweak your OS is up to you [09:54] xorg.conf-less X does not automagically give me xinerama [09:55] sant0 (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:55] kimjeng: Actually, it's in /extra/... Check here: http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/xf86-video-intel-alternate/ [09:55] keep taking that route and in another couple of years Linux will be just like OSX & Windows [09:55] NaCl: randr? [09:56] prashant (n=gentoo@122.172.104.67) left irc: "Leaving" [09:56] how is that bad? OSX and Windows have...what, 95% of the market share? [09:56] Camarade_Tux: I ditched X and restored my xorg.conf [09:56] Pig_Pen: thats just not valid [09:56] kimjeng: Download different versions, remove the version you have installed, and install the newer version. THen try starting X. [09:56] Pig_Pen: anything the BIOS can do, X should be able to do. its as simple as that [09:57] Pig_Pen: unless you think BIOS being able to output its display and handle user inpuh without first being configured is retarded [09:57] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:57] There's a lot that BIOS's can't do :-) [09:57] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:57] adamk_: true.. but what it CAN do is output to the user and take input back [09:58] in noticed a xorg.conf-vesa whats that all about [09:58] and in some cases without hal, X *cant* do that without playing with the conf [09:58] kimjeng: its an example set up to use vesa [09:58] do i try it? [09:58] *shrug* [09:58] ive not been listeninf [09:58] kimjeng: You can. It should get you X, but without *any* acceleration. [09:58] *listening [10:00] Camarade_Tux: ok, back in xorg.conf-less X [10:01] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [10:01] nottoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: "leaving" [10:03] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: Client Quit [10:04] kimjeng: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/page11.html#post3717858 [10:04] grrrr [10:04] doesn't seem to work at all. :/ [10:06] jakemills (n=jakemill@62.249.219.218) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Yoda lived in the dagobah system - what was the name of his planet? [10:07] uranus [10:07] Zordrak : the vesas has given me nothing! [10:07] jakemills (n=jakemill@62.249.219.218) left irc: Client Quit [10:07] firefox, I *HATE* you! [10:07] kimjeng: SO you renamed /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and tried to start X but it failed? [10:08] mwnn (n=user@59.96.202.87) joined ##slackware. [10:09] adamk_: nope i did: X -comfig /etc/xorg.conf-vesa [10:09] *config [10:09] kimjeng: That won't do much. In fact, even if it works, it would just leave the screen black. [10:09] kimjeng: Standard slackware 13 ships with kernel 2.6.29.6 and intel 2.8.0 driver. This is broken for 945G. You need a kernel and driver update. [10:09] i need to rename? [10:10] ok how do i get this kernel driver? [10:10] kimjeng: Yes, if you want to use the xorg.conf-vesa file, you should rename it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf . Even better, though, listen to allend :-) [10:10] ok allend the floor is yours [10:11] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [10:12] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-145.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:13] harksaw (n=sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:13] kimjeng: did you look at the link i posted? it gives the kernel version and driver version you need. [10:14] yup it all looks terribly unfriendly to noobs [10:15] kimjeng: that is why I suggested the "vesa" option. If you want acceleration then you will need to downlad and compile a later kernel as well as a later driver. [10:16] OOM \\o, OOM o//, OOM \o/ [10:16] (yeah, firefox is stuck) [10:16] well i just had a bacon egg and cheese sandwich for breakfast so screw you! immmm going home [10:16] Action: acidchild happens to be home already but cartman quotes are awesome [10:18] allend the patch link does not work [10:18] kimjeng: as a Slacker, this will be good practice. it is not as hard as it sounds. kernel compilation is straightforward if you follow a good guide. [10:19] ok im saying the link to download the patch is dead [10:19] the zen kernel patch that is [10:20] can someone tell me how can i create a tgz package? [10:22] kimjeng: the intel driver can also be built into a package. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/page10.html#post3701312 [10:23] kimjeng: for kernel compilation. http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [10:24] sagival: man makepkg [10:24] also: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [10:25] for a simple noob-friendly guide to recompiling the active version [10:25] Zordrak: ;) that is bonus :D [10:25] Zordrak: I was hoping you would chime in with that! [10:25] i live to serve :) [10:25] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:25] so what about the patch for the kernel? the link on the original page i dead i thin [10:27] kimjeng: you can get a prebuilt Intel 2.9.0 package here. http://advamacs.com/pub/xf86-video-intel-2.9.0-i486-1.tgz [10:27] kimjeng: the kernel you will have to build for yourself at this time. [10:28] just out of interest why is there no separate kernels for smp and non-smp in slackware-64? [10:28] jonsmith1982: because SMP is irrelevant in 64bit [10:28] its all smp [10:29] ok i already downloaded that, does the kernel need a patch? on this page you gave mentions one but the download link isnt working : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/page11.html#post3717858 [10:30] that was for allend [10:32] Zordrak, Core(TM)2 Duo CPU ... should i be using 64 bit? [10:32] kimjeng: here is where to get the kernel source. http://www.kernel.org/ [10:32] jonsmith1982: depends what you're doing [10:33] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] long answer yes with an if, short answer no with a but [10:33] Zordrak : good one ! [10:33] would be quicker in any case though? [10:34] 15:32:48 < Zordrak> jonsmith1982: depends what you're doing [10:34] jonsmith1982: how much memory do you have? [10:34] Camarade_Tux, 2 GB [10:34] (and Zordrak's question) [10:34] jonsmith1982: typical applications you use? [10:34] desktop, web dev. [10:34] alphad (i=c1b29b63@gateway/web/freenode/x-sptnmkqntybpkurx) joined ##slackware. [10:34] no.. 32 is just dandy for you then [10:35] Zordrak: you have 32GB of ram? :P [10:35] acidchild: 4g in desktop, up to 16G in servers [10:35] Zordrak: actually, I've just started to wonder: firefox should be faster on 64bit so basically anybody could want that [10:35] nice. i got 8 rockin' in my desktop [10:35] the desktop is 32bit with PAE set to 64 [10:35] price of memory has been skyrocketing for the last three months ='( [10:35] same.. [10:35] 64 is reserved for the storage cluster, the web server and the openvpn server [10:36] you do openvpn redundancy? [10:36] no [10:36] ever tryed it? [10:36] no [10:36] umm, i might later on today [10:36] the users arent special enough to deserve vpn redundancy [10:36] if it aint working (which it always is) they can drag their arses into work like i have to [10:37] allend: i already have downloaded a whooping 61.4 mb kernel : linux-2.6.32-rc5.tar.bz2 isnt that what you mentioned? [10:37] hahaha :P [10:37] Kerd (n=no@unaffiliated/kerd) joined ##slackware. [10:39] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:39] kimjeng: that kernel, when compiled, will provide the functionality you need. [10:39] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:40] allend: without patches? [10:40] kimjeng: no patches, provided you also have the an updated Intel driver. [10:41] alphad (i=c1b29b63@gateway/web/freenode/x-sptnmkqntybpkurx) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [10:42] allend: ok il read the materials in the links you provided and i come back for help if i get stuck , i got to got for now, thnks [10:42] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.218.212) left irc: "Leaving" [10:43] Action: allend wishes good luck to kimjeng [10:44] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] slackie (n=x@87-196-110-88.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:47] anyone read the ZFS howto sun emailed out this morning? [10:47] nope.. ignored it. [10:47] twice. [10:47] fucking link doesn't even work [10:47] lol [10:47] http://www.sun.com/offers/docs/zfs_snapshots.pdf [10:48] just loads a blank page. [10:48] thats what you get for reading email from the scummeth [10:50] hey anyone can link me a slackpkg adress? [10:50] despiron: http://www.slackware.com [10:50] despiron: http://www.google.com [10:50] despiron: etc [10:50] haha, I was waiting for that ;) [10:51] /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [10:51] ^^ [10:51] http://ask.com [10:51] :) [10:52] i wish i had less than 200,000 files on this machine.. i am STILL copying the old root into LUKS [10:52] thrice`: nice supporte 10 [10:52] support * [10:53] xD [10:54] depiron: open up a text editor and navigate to the pathway I gave you above. all slackpkg addresses are given in that pathway [10:56] sorry for the typo with your name, despiron [10:56] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:57] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] hitest: yes i do it thank you i'm using slackpkg now [10:57] i did it* [10:58] despiron: np, you're welcome [10:59] thanks [10:59] yw [11:00] Kerd (n=no@unaffiliated/kerd) left irc: "Leaving" [11:00] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-16-158.lns7.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [11:01] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:01] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [11:02] slacktv (i=3fc7dba2@gateway/web/freenode/x-prhjntqdwhznqmgt) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Hello all, I notice that packages.slackware.it has been down for a few weeks now. Its there another package browser website? I know I can use slackpkg but I like the website that gives the packages and descriptions. [11:03] this would have gone a lot faster if i occasionally cleaned out /tmp/SBo [11:04] slacktv: slackbuilds.org [11:04] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [11:04] a week? more like a month :p [11:05] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Camarade_Tux: huh? [11:06] packages.slackware.it [11:07] any others similiar to packages.slackware.it that gives a list of packages along with the descriptions when you do a search for a file. [11:08] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host114-70-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:09] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [11:09] o [11:09] you guys have any recomendations on a new laptop ? [11:09] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:09] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [11:09] good evening () [11:09] salut g4tt0 [11:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] hello scuzz [11:11] :) [11:11] Scuzz: anything with a nvidia graphics driver will do [11:12] amne [11:12] amen even [11:12] yeah nvidia is my main choice for video [11:12] er. nvidia video [11:12] pinc0de (n=pinc@2001:41d0:1:bb3f:0:0:0:1320) joined ##slackware. [11:12] howdy mag0o [11:12] mornin [11:12] where ya been hiding [11:12] nowhere, just couldn't find my way out the door [11:12] lol [11:12] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:12] you gotta look for em, ati mobility seems to be more common in laptops [11:13] Pig_Pen: i jsut want a quality laptop, i dont want to spend over $1000 [11:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:14] ill jsut take my time ans do some research first i guess [11:15] alphad (i=c1b29b63@gateway/web/freenode/x-qyrcfdxytslfkxbl) joined ##slackware. [11:15] crap i forgot i lit the bbq [11:15] Newegg.com has some laptops, you can check the specs for nvidia graphics or whatever else you are wanting [11:17] Scuzz: check http://deals.woot.com too [11:18] despiron (n=despiron@187.64.18.104) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [11:20] be careful with mobile nvidia [11:20] some are well supported, some arenth [11:21] really? [11:21] slacktv: use sbopkg , not a package browser but build script one ( sync it ), www.sbopkg.org [11:23] Scuzz: dont forget your laptop steeringwheel desk http://tinyurl.com/yga9blx [11:24] mag0o: hahaha :P [11:24] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Scuzz: inspiron 15n is a good choice you can add more to it,ubuntu is well supported,btw it is quite cheap too :) [11:25] :) [11:25] pprkut: its mostly good but some have support issues.. iirc quadro Go series? [11:26] usual bottom line. check the HCLs for the particular model youre looking at, but nvidia has much better support across the range than the others [11:26] I have a Quadro [11:26] init[1]: from the screenshots it looks like a modified slackpkg. [11:26] pprkut: and i bet its an NVS [11:26] Quadro 770M [11:26] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [11:26] slacktv: ok, basically we don't evaluate a software from screen shots :) [11:27] Quadro FX 770M actually [11:27] *nod* [11:27] Q-FX&NVS seem reasonably well supported [11:27] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] although theres a few bugs with the NVSes introduced with the last generation of drivers or so.. but its mostly minor stuff like docking station issues etc [11:28] it crashed randomly for half a year, but now it works fine :D [11:30] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:31] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-236-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [11:31] hi there [11:31] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:32] 320,000 files and still counting... not got to /usr yet [11:32] which of course will include the kernel source [11:33] init[1]: Have you heard of Slackpack http://slackpackpkgman.wordpress.com/ [11:34] id be more interested to know if Pat knows about it.. i cant imagine he'd be happy with it using the @slack@ prefix [11:34] brixton (i=brixton@efnetwarrior.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:35] slacktv: you have your own choice ,basically i compile the packs and i don't trust 3rd party binary packages , well you dig your own pit ;) [11:35] Zordrak: I am gonna 'guess' .. no. :) [11:36] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-236-248.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "Leaving" [11:36] askhader (n=askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:36] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:37] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@adsl-99-20-198-250.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] and even if pat was fine with it i would expect Piter might have something to say about the similarity of the name to slackpkg [11:37] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:37] slacktv: is slackpackpkgman just for third party packages? or for official slackware packages as well? [11:38] BP{k}: its actually "slackpack" [11:38] 3.5GB left... [11:38] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-152-65.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] seems like both.. and "/*repositories*/" too (lp doucheness) [11:39] john_dee (n=id@95-29-145-249.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: [11:39] oh dear oh dear. [11:39] BP{k}: You sound like Winnie the Pooh. [11:40] its just a (qt?) wrapper to pkgtools, rpm2tgz, deb2tgz & wget [11:40] Alan_Hicks: wouldn't that be "oh bother"? ;) [11:40] Alan_Hicks: what are you doing here? shouldnt you be busy? ;) [11:40] He also said "Oh dear oh dear." [11:40] Zordrak: Yes. I have to leave soon. [11:40] heh [11:40] askhader (n=askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:41] Alan_Hicks: he also said "oh bother" [11:41] fuzzbawl: He also said "Oh dear oh dear." [11:41] Hey, I followed alienBOB's multilib guide without interruption. Now when attempting to build wine on slackware64 I am given the following errors http://pastebin.com/m3ed43c3e [11:44] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [11:45] ugh.. i am so sick of some of the douchebags i have to support... bbiab, douchebag alert [11:46] Action: Camarade_Tux gives Zordrak a shotgun [11:47] Reaver2 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: Connection timed out [11:49] meua (n=meua@n1sgir42.univ-paris5.fr) left irc: Client Quit [11:53] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-171-055.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [11:55] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:55] hey folks :-) [11:55] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [11:57] askhader, are you trying to compile it as a 32-bit package? [11:57] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [11:58] 400,000 files and counting >.< [11:58] init[1]: I also compile my own, I was just wondering if you heard of it. [11:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvIj_t3-kC0 [12:00] ccfreak2k: No [12:00] snL20: ...and the relevance to anything is... [12:00] ccfreak2k: I have my arch set as x86_64 [12:01] Zordrak: its the slackware song! jk [12:01] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [12:04] following the off-topicness.. theres a vid i want to find but i cant remember any relevant words to searh.. a webmaster or sysadmin plafing some kind of FPS while a user gets irate at him.. [12:05] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:05] oooh yeah i remember... the website is down! or sthg [12:06] Zordrak: yeah the website is down it's on youtube [12:06] Zordrak: he was playiing halo [12:06] hehe [12:07] 1.5GB, it's almost over \o/ [12:07] Her0 (n=jkemp@70-13-235-3.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] bye [12:08] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host114-70-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [12:08] alphad (i=c1b29b63@gateway/web/freenode/x-qyrcfdxytslfkxbl) left irc: "Page closed" [12:09] Camarade_Tux: on really bad days, this is where it fails with "no space left on device". ;-) [12:10] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [12:10] SpacePlod: more than 400GB left, I checked ;p [12:10] well, I checked after I started the command :P [12:11] mfilipe (n=me@mfilipe.eti.br) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [12:14] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:2f) joined ##slackware. [12:17] hmmmm, anyone know of a decent C++ ebook? [12:17] r_linux_ (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:18] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Necos: no but i know of a good C book :P [12:18] ebook* [12:18] well, i have K&R and practical c programming, so that's never been a problem... [12:18] k [12:19] i'm feeling adventurous in mucking with opensync [12:22] but gotta learn c++ first... so yeah... [12:22] Necos: learning c atm :P [12:23] my first language [12:23] C++, hmmmm, bark :) [12:23] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:23] C is fun ^.^ [12:23] C++ isn't :P [12:25] i don't really wanna learn it, but to accomplish what i need, it's a requirement [12:25] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:25] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] two minutes [12:27] kitt (i=58c1712e@gateway/web/freenode/x-wepfixplhkxehbux) joined ##slackware. [12:28] helou, has anyone made qt.4.6 for slackware now [12:28] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.218.213) joined ##slackware. [12:28] you mean the qt that was released so recently almost no machine could have it compiled it already? [12:28] s/it// [12:29] wrong, released yesterday :D [12:29] i beleive fire|bird installed it [12:29] ;p [12:29] yes, the new one [12:30] SpacePlod: over! \o/ says 1 error now, 512B [12:30] Scuzz: I built 4.6 yesterday, yeah. [12:30] fire|bird: do you have buildscript for that [12:31] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:31] slacktv (i=3fc7dba2@gateway/web/freenode/x-prhjntqdwhznqmgt) left irc: "Page closed" [12:31] kitt: I used slackwares script for it. It's on any slack mirror under source/l/qt [12:31] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:31] so do it require any userinput, or that just works if i dl the source and run it [12:31] cus i don't know the scripting [12:31] you just edit the version number [12:32] ok, i'll try [12:32] does it need the patches too [12:32] also, you learn shellscripting from reading shellscripts [12:32] nope, they are for that particular version [12:32] ok [12:32] ty [12:32] macavity: the filename has changed too, "x11" was replaced with "everywhere" [12:33] fire|bird: huh?!? [12:33] Camarade_Tux: Nice! only one bad sector out of all that? [12:34] ok.. odd world :P [12:34] macavity: instead of qt-x11-blah, it's qt-everywhere-blah now ;) [12:34] >_< [12:34] oh well [12:34] m4v3rick (n=linuxer@bl6-62-188.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:34] but if you build it fire|bird , you must have the script too? [12:34] you must learn how to fish, kitt :) [12:35] SpacePlod: seems, but ddrescue fills bad sectors with a predefined pattern, right? [12:35] kitt: just download the .SlackBuild and read over it.. i am rather sure that after 10-15 minutes of staring at it you will grasp the concept fully [12:35] but i use xfce, i don't have konqueror :| [12:35] Camarade_Tux: next question is: Is it a usable/mountable image? [12:35] O's, IIRC [12:35] SpacePlod: I'm cp'ing the image currently ;-) [12:35] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [12:36] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:36] SpacePlod: I thought I saw something about a predefined pattern and I noticed that same pattern at the beginning of the disk when I read the partial disk image [12:36] kitt, what does konqueror have to do with anything ? [12:37] you said fish to it [12:37] but i got it now with my FF instead [12:39] oh, I mean, instead of someone giving you fish to eat, you need to learn to fish for yourself, or something [12:39] paradroid (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:40] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Alba[onga (n=fabio@host127-33-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Alba[onga (n=fabio@host127-33-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [12:41] Alba[onga (n=fabio@host127-33-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:42] |Cyb3rGh0st| (n=user@94.75.222.181) joined ##slackware. [12:42] r_linux_ (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:42] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [12:44] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [12:45] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [12:46] i have slack 13... with 2.6.29.6-smp kernel... how can i go about upgrading the kernel... [12:47] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:47] substancev: download a kernel from kernel.org, unpack it, configure it, build it, install it? [12:47] hey fire|bird [12:47] i guess he's wondering if there's a ubuntu/fedora/debian-esque way to do it BP{k} [12:48] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:48] and to that question, the answer is what you've already said [12:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:48] that is what i mean, so i just rename the versions, and it gives this "./qt.SlackBuild: line 69: cd: qt-everywhere-opensource-src-x11: No such file or directory [12:49] guys on fresh install of debian radeonhd suport 3d support? [12:49] kitt: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [12:49] os slack* [12:49] and from terminal i can easily cd to that dir [12:49] BP{k}, sweet [12:49] so it doesn't work [12:49] kitt, just do a tar tvf and see what you need to change the directory name to in the slackbuild script [12:49] kitt: hmm wait .. can you make a build log actually? (bash -x qt.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee BUILD.log) and post that on a pastebin [12:50] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [12:50] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:50] v4nelle, the default is to disable the 3d accel [12:51] r_linux_ (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:51] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] harksaw (n=sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:52] akonadi 1.2.80 just released... hmmm [12:54] Necos: dangit, don't give me any ideas on what to build next. :P [12:54] fire|bird: did you finish KDE ? [12:55] well, i'm gonna play with the old opensync akonadi plugin, so i'm beginning my dive in to C++ [12:55] BP{k}: hadn't built that yet, turns out 4.4 alpha 1 comes out tomorrow, so I'm impatiently waiting. ;) [12:55] BP{k}: I got qt 4.6 built though. [12:55] in preparation [12:55] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:55] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] hiptobecubic (n=john@75.111.189.11) joined ##slackware. [12:57] viu (n=n@185-247-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) left ##slackware ("#HQ;."). [12:57] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] anyone know if ntfs-3g suport the offset argument? [13:00] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [13:00] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:00] i believe it does... [13:01] i must be insane for even trying the opensync thing... but i'm curious to see if it's possible to build a useful opensync plugin while the API is being stabilized [13:02] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [13:03] need to keep my brain running while i'm on break from school lol [13:03] Necos: lol [13:04] Camarade_Tux: ntfs-3g need not support it...mount supports it via the loop device [13:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:04] SpacePlod: yeah but I was thinking it might ignore the option [13:04] it won't [13:04] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-236-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [13:04] kitt (i=58c1712e@gateway/web/freenode/x-wepfixplhkxehbux) left irc: "Page closed" [13:04] ^^ back [13:05] hmm [13:05] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [13:05] SpacePlod: it does ^^ [13:05] I just losetup -o 32256 and it works whereas ntfs-3g failed ^^ [13:05] Hey, I followed alienBOB's multilib guide without interruption. Now when attempting to build wine on slackware64 I am given the following errors http://pastebin.com/m3ed43c3e [13:06] mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro,loop,offset=32256 image.dd /mnt/point [13:06] works all time for me [13:07] (assuming that's the correct offset for the fs) [13:08] r_linux_ (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [13:08] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:08] well, that's exactly what I typed but didn't work [13:08] Action: Camarade_Tux scratches head [13:09] http://www.uow.edu.au/~nabg/ABC/ABC.html <---- interesting [13:09] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] xsamurai (n=fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Camarade_Tux: are you sure you have the offset correct? What's the output of "fdisk -l -uS imagename"? [13:11] Alba[onga (n=fabio@host127-33-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [13:11] Althought 32256 is quite normal for single partition disk (63 sector offset) [13:11] SpacePlod: hmm, nothing [13:11] also, I used the same for losetup [13:12] btw, I found the offset with an hex editor ;-) [13:12] you could try dropping the "-3g" fwiw. [13:12] if it works with losetup, then just mount the /dev/loopX like you normally would. [13:12] hmmm, yeah, I should add ntfs support back in the kernel... [13:12] SpacePlod: yeah, done, and seems ok [13:13] MadDog (n=bobmarle@adsl-153-104-102.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] well i somehow managed to fuck up my xfce [13:13] good work [13:13] Just move on to kde4 [13:13] lol [13:13] finding the offset with a hex editor <--- Hardcore. [13:13] downgrade? [13:13] but the guy who tried to get things back from this disk before me has been a bit hmmm, how shall I put it, brutal? [13:13] SpacePlod: quite hardcore. [13:13] SpacePlod: /NTFS :-) [13:14] basically, he tried everything he could think of without making a backup first >< [13:14] MadDog (n=bobmarle@adsl-153-104-102.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:14] lol fail [13:14] hahahahahah that sucks [13:14] MadDog (n=bobbobbo@adsl-153-104-102.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] macman (n=macman@75.44.207.107) joined ##slackware. [13:14] hey all question .. not really good with hardware [13:15] Camarade_Tux: as I said yesterday, dead hard drives are a timely reminder to backup your data, last week [13:15] so i took out to hdd's from 2 diffrent computers right [13:15] on the back of the hdd is a slot for ide cables and power supply correct ? [13:15] eviljames: yeah ;-) [13:15] or sata cable [13:15] pastas on the floor ='( [13:16] how would i know madbear [13:16] err .. MadDog ? [13:16] ok, how can a partition be in use (as reported when trying to umount it) when fuser -m on the partition does not return processes? [13:16] well what color is the cable? [13:17] and how wide? [13:17] i have no cables MadDog i just have the hdd .. MadDog lets just say it looks like this http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10380327&listingid=46804325 [13:17] ide's are usually 2 inches wide and gray [13:17] let me google the models and i will get you pictures [13:17] oh nm [13:17] i just basically want to use these hdd's with my laptop [13:18] thats a ide [13:18] I forget another partition was mounted in a subdir [13:18] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:18] if it has that kinda slot macman its id [13:18] ide [13:18] ok [13:18] mishehu: are you in that subdir ? [13:19] there should also be a jumper [13:19] there a way to get it to work with my laptop ? [13:19] or are there like ide to usb cables ? [13:19] ok seems it was due to corruption in my cache...weird since that was not user-driven, but i'l jot it in my mental notebook [13:19] Probably via a USB Chassis [13:19] im not to experienced in laptops sorry [13:19] macman: You can get ahold of an external drive chassis that supports ide in the $30 range [13:19] eviljames: there's only 3.3GB left on the drive, with so little left, I'd have bought another storage drive, that'd had save some data at least :P [13:19] if the cable fits [13:19] from the laptop in it [13:20] and power cable [13:20] make sure jumper is on master [13:20] but i thought laptop harddrives were thin [13:20] they are thin [13:20] then the hard drive your putting in is thicker ? [13:20] macman: These are both laptop drives that you pulled? [13:21] http://is.gd/5agTW [13:21] no [13:21] thanks eviljames he has me confused [13:21] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:21] actually eviljames [13:21] SpacePlod: btw, you have adapters that can be used for various disks? I mean, I had to borrow a friend usb's adapter but I'd really like to have a good one myself [13:21] macman: That device will work perfectly for you. [13:21] Assuming, of course, that it works at all. [13:21] eviljames i pulled one hdd out of a mybook .. and i pulled another hdd from a school casing [13:21] m4v3rick (n=linuxer@bl6-62-188.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:22] if the hard drive your switching it for is thicker then you probably want beable to put it back together [13:22] eviljames the picture i posted ? [13:22] Camarade_Tux: I have a whole box of adapters for native connections. Many are from forensic kits and include write blocking functions. [13:22] because they make laptop hdd's thin for a reason [13:22] because they fit [13:22] macman: yeah, that device *should* work for what you are doing, if what you're doing is attempting to recover data from the drives [13:22] Her0 (n=jkemp@70-13-235-3.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:22] no [13:22] i just want to make them into external hdd's for my laptop [13:23] oh thats easy [13:23] :P eviljames there is never enough storage space [13:23] get a external enclosure [13:23] at tiger direct [13:23] SpacePlod: how many days do I have to prostitute myself to be able to buy one? :P [13:23] you got a usb port right [13:23] macman: is one a laptop drive, and the other a regular hard drive? [13:23] for onsite acquisitions, we used to carry various I/O cards to drop in boxes to acquire disks [13:23] make sure the enclosure is for a ide hard drive [13:23] not sata aka ata [13:23] http://is.gd/5ah36 < -- bigger picture [13:24] ok [13:24] that should work [13:24] im going to take pictures of both of them ok [13:24] macman: This one works for both laptop and desktop drives, that's why it has the 2 different connectors for IDE [13:24] that picture [13:24] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] should work [13:24] macman: And it also does sata, as you can see by the connector opposite where the wire connects [13:24] yea i see it [13:24] yea looks like it [13:24] hehe [13:25] http://www.ics-iq.com/index.cfm/action/catalog.browse/category/Handheld_Duplication/id_category/f1ed34dc-a34d-4088-9784-eb9e011a7b38 [13:25] ^^ some of the kits we've used. [13:25] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-005-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] the connector if its good and the filesystem is recognized then your fine [13:25] doh! I need to make an AV for everybody: the whole school is carrying a virus that spreads through usb keys' autorun.in [13:25] im sure the filesystem is not gonna be a problem [13:25] f [13:25] 'but that connector will work [13:25] 'how much is it btw ? [13:25] (I just saw it on the drive image) [13:26] macman: The issues here are that 1) It is not enclosed, so you'll have to be very careful, and 2) It won't be quite as safe in terms of portability. [13:26] Camarade_Tux: what are you doing in school.... and here I thought you were cool [13:26] yes use it temporarly [13:26] dont leave it on all the time [13:26] macman: but the versatility will be useful if you have different types of drives.. I still think that a chassis will work better for you if you want permanent external drives [13:26] transfer the file turn off [13:26] xsamurai: I'm 21, these schools aren't children schools [13:27] i would go with external enclosure a ide one since you have a ide drive and try to find one with a fan [13:27] SpacePlod: oh, only costs as much as my new computer (phenom ii x4 955, 4GB ram, 500GB storage) [13:27] giuppy (n=giuppy@host139-162-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:27] oh wait, only cost twice as much ;-) [13:27] oh yes...not cheap. [13:27] but as a temporary use macman that cable will definatly work [13:28] ok, 10 euros per BJ, that's about 15 dollars, that makes 70 BJs :P [13:28] There are cheaper solutions, depending on application. The link I pasted is for writeblockers, a forensic requirement you are not bound to. [13:28] macman if you got a tigerdirect online enclosures or cheap [13:29] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [13:29] i dont know if your in the usa or not [13:29] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [13:29] 20 dollars shipping and all should hook you up macman [13:29] if that [13:30] Camarade_Tux, you give bj's for money? nasty [13:30] no self respecting man gives bj's [13:30] ive got 3 externals there very handy for backing up your files [13:30] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@67.18.89.205) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:30] Does anyone know what program or what setting determines which of my two screens new programs open up on? [13:30] jeev: i get em for free :) [13:30] jeev: need to buy hardware :D [13:30] harksaw: xrandr? [13:31] Camarade_Tux: oh so that's how you get money for nabucho ? i should do the same toO :P [13:31] the window manager decides, I guess [13:31] deco: ^^ [13:31] hahaha [13:31] s/get/got [13:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqmiVXqVf0 [13:32] firedix (n=firedix@host82.190-230-59.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:32] i got a core i5 for my brother [13:32] EpiGrammaticus (n=epigramm@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:32] jeev: what about me ? ain't i a brother too ? [13:32] i was in the oc the other day [13:32] you never said anything! [13:33] jeev: damn it! :( [13:33] jeev: thats how oc ppl are [13:33] dont buy that for Camarade_Tux youll never get rid of him unless hes high priced [13:33] they suck [13:33] jeev: they dont call you , you call them [13:33] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:33] jeev: i5s, really? why? [13:33] good deal [13:33] MadDog: :) [13:33] yeah you cheap skate [13:33] i5s are NOT a good deal. [13:33] 180 bux for i5 with gigabyte ud3r board [13:33] sounds like a typical frys deal [13:33] i5s are like a core i7 w/o any of the features people want. [13:33] yep [13:34] eh, what's the youtube vid about? :P [13:34] my brother doesn't do much dood [13:34] eviljames: here, we agree :) [13:34] i've had a core i7 940 since its come out [13:34] Action: deco wants a nabucho [13:34] send me the moneyz instead ;) [13:34] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] ftr., nabucho's the name of my new computer [13:34] Camarade_Tux: as long as you dance for it [13:34] lol im on windows kill me please but kids are getting alot of games for christmas i didnt have a choice and i didnt buy microshaft i got to figure out how to install around the bie loader [13:34] bie ? [13:34] i'm on windows. [13:35] its a release on winderz [13:35] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:35] as in i didnt pay shit for microshaft [13:35] who does [13:35] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.75.26) joined ##slackware. [13:35] MadDog: install a trial version of windows and once it's over tell your kids that the christmas season is over :) [13:35] i've got to install windows 7, takes a second to SLIC 2.1 and viola [13:35] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [13:35] haha so how do you dual boot ontop of a bootloader that bypasses activation [13:36] ...? [13:36] MadDog, windows 7 / [13:36] yes [13:36] MadDog: if you really want to ask such a question... [13:36] haha, jeev tells people how to crack windows 7. what a fag [13:36] what computuer do you have [13:36] i have a amd dual core 4600 [13:36] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] what brand is it [13:36] there's Xorg -configure and there's another command to create a xorg.conf ... it's more verbose [13:36] come on jeev [13:36] lol thrice` [13:37] gateway i flashed the bios and the legal version of winderz doesnt work [13:37] Action: Camarade_Tux guess no admin is around [13:37] i wouldn't want to tell them how to crack open your mother, then i wouldn't be getting fancy gifts from her [13:37] fukerz [13:37] leave newfag [13:37] soeone may come along with a longer schelong and i'd be sent to the garbage [13:37] haha [13:37] >.> [13:38] i will find a way to install ontop of this bootloader just wait [13:38] wrong channel, i made a mistake by helping [13:38] sagival (n=L0@athedsl-285061.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "bye" [13:38] the trouble with that is that 300 people who aren't taking part in the conversation are involved now [13:38] lol [13:39] yes jeev... bad call man... [13:39] can't anybody help the deco ? [13:39] Necos, i dont care [13:39] no, many have tried [13:39] i like cracking stuff [13:39] deco: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf [13:39] no deco, you're not worth the effort :D [13:39] very verbose [13:39] Necos: :( [13:39] |Cyb3rGh0st| (n=user@94.75.222.181) left irc: [13:40] xsamurai: no! [13:40] lol [13:40] macman (n=macman@75.44.207.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:40] xsamurai: i'm asking about the commands to creat an xorg.conf [13:40] deco: xorgsetup ? [13:40] macman (n=macman@75.44.207.107) joined ##slackware. [13:40] adamk: yes!!! [13:40] thanks adamk [13:40] i had xorg -configure [13:40] but wante the more verbose one [13:40] wanted* [13:40] lmao go ahead and create it that way [13:41] MadDog: do you want to touch my kernel ? [13:41] it's rather soft [13:41] lol [13:41] touch mine its fully loaded [13:41] MadDog: nah you haz microsoft kernel [13:41] and screwed over very badly in a way that cant be helped [13:42] exactly that was my point [13:42] narsty... [13:42] substancev (n=substanc@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] hey im about to upgrade my kernel.. however... when i use make oldconfig i notice that the processor family that was selected previously is set to Pentium Pro (M686) [13:43] its not microsoft its microshaft and i hate it but i have kids and i have to install games lol [13:43] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:43] my wife persuaded me to in a unusual form use your imagination [13:45] Action: MadDog idles gonna install a game for son so he will leave me alone and in return ill leave you alone see 2 goods hey what can go wrong [13:45] heh heh heh [13:45] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:46] maddog, if you gotta use windows, you gotta... stop acting like a little kid [13:46] hrm, local GLUG is having an installfest next door to my apartment building on Saturday [13:46] I should probably attend [13:46] lol Necos [13:47] ej, yes, you should :P [13:47] Indeed, I have to use Windows every working day [13:47] speed_ (n=claudio@ip-route.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] Necos: They're teaching people how to install ubuntu [13:47] eviljames: installfest ?, hot half naked women installing operating systems on computers ? [13:47] install those linux boxen [13:47] Necos: I'm just gonna walk in and go STFU NOOBS INSTALL SLACKWARE [13:47] im sorry but i will say it over and over microsoft sucks im a long time linux user but microsoft plays the games son plays so im forced to use it it doesnt mean i have to like it does it [13:47] well, not exactly the most subtle way of promoting slackware, but i guess we'll take what we can get... [13:48] xsamurai: Hmm. I doubt there will be any half naked women there. And hot is almost certainly out of the question :P [13:48] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.218.213) left irc: "Leaving" [13:48] unless... [13:48] Action: eviljames ponders [13:48] heh, i have a windows xp box at home for playing games... it sits behind my slack firewall though [13:48] MadDog: buy your son a PS3 or Wii and tell him that computer games aren't even fun. :P [13:48] if you cant install ubuntu by yourself your totally hopeless and should burn your pc [13:48] Action: Necos thinks ej should conscript some ladies from the local bar [13:49] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.51.153) joined ##slackware. [13:49] well he would like that but id have to give bj's for money and im not even going there [13:49] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [13:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Action: thrice` gets closer every day to killing this channel from his list :> [13:50] lol [13:50] MadDog: just use the "back in my days we didnt have" line and give him a stick and ball to play with [13:51] Yeah, no doubt [13:51] When I was bored my parents booted my ass to the street and said: "Go get some neighborhood kids and get a street hockey game going." [13:51] haha but then i have no free time with wife [13:51] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:51] That or "Go read a book!" This advice (both hockey & book) have served me well over the years. [13:52] give a kid a pc and have fun all day and night long ive only been married for 10 years so ill do what ever it takes [13:52] since the wife is going into her cougar stage =[ [13:52] lol [13:52] so shes less willing than her wildcat days [13:53] cougar stage... [13:53] so give a kid a pc let him play you get the chance to score and go for it [13:53] lol, i thought cougar stage meant she just wanted a boytoy :P [13:54] i better stop typing he will read this and know what im up to [13:54] haha Necos not necessarly right some cougars vary [13:54] Action: Necos changes his name to CougarHunter [13:54] lol [13:55] when they hit cougar stage there like you get me off then ill think about getting you off [13:55] damn, i must be bored at work, i'm making cougar jokes... [13:55] Action: eviljames loves cougs [13:55] no quickies no more the cougar is experenced so that means i got to be more experianced also [13:55] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:55] MadDog: Time to get your game face on. [13:55] so how bout that slackware? [13:55] lol [13:55] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] haha eviljames [13:56] mancha, it's in it's cougar stage too? [13:56] mancha: Slackware is approved by cougars everywhere. [13:56] lol [13:56] is not is not [13:56] when did this place turn braindead? [13:56] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [13:56] But, in all fairness ##slackofftopic [13:56] yeah, so i found this set of course notes on C++... really good shiznit [13:56] ok im letting son play his games and ill play mine and we all be happy [13:56] Action: MadDog idles [13:56] heheh [13:57] offtopic is run by a racist military killer, no need to go into that channel [13:57] i hope he gets sent off to afghanistan and gets shot by someone protecting their land [13:57] Deakin University's compsci dept. [13:57] Necos: Neat. [13:58] I believe my SPDIF port on my sound card isn't working because Slackware has an older version of ALSA - I can't find a slackware package of the newest version of ALSA, so I'm going to use src2pkg on alsa-driver-1.0.21 and install that - good idea/bad idea? [13:58] http://www.deakin.edu.au/~agoodman/ctutorial/ [13:58] racism is peace. [13:58] harksaw, why? [13:58] harksaw, alsa stuff should come from kernel, not the alsa-driver [13:59] sure baddy [13:59] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:59] alsa drivers, as thrice` points out, are in the kernel [13:59] just kernel config-it [13:59] anywho, gotta move my car, brb [13:59] slackie_ (n=x@87.196.210.176) joined ##slackware. [14:00] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [14:01] I'm not sure I understand - alsa stuff "comes from" the kernel? Why then all these alsa packages? [14:02] how do I go about getting the most updated alsa into the kernel? [14:03] slackie (n=x@87-196-110-88.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:03] harksaw: Best bet: updating the kernel. [14:03] ok, thanks [14:03] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) joined ##slackware. [14:04] jeev: I see something odd about you calling someone else a racist. [14:05] just cause i speak out about those turds, dont pull those stunts that they use by calling me an anti-, that's just pathetic [14:05] that's where your ignorance begins [14:05] keep it out of this channel [14:05] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-005-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:05] that idiot uses his religion to look down at others, i use my common sense to look down at others [14:06] slackie_ (n=x@87.196.210.176) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [14:06] jeev: Let's debate in ##slackofftopic [14:06] :D [14:06] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [14:06] it's ok [14:06] i'll join when it's not run by an arab killer [14:06] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [14:06] jeev: that's enough. [14:06] Action: eviljames turns on the Cure "Killing an Arab" [14:07] thumbs, why dont you tell someone else it's enough too, instead of me? im being provoked. you're another macavity [14:07] Uh, no you aren't. [14:07] jeev: you're the obnoxious folk in the channel, generally. [14:07] guys slack13 has qt4?because i cant find it on slackbuilds [14:07] v4nelle: yes inded [14:08] indeed [14:08] jkwood_ (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [14:08] v4nelle: yes, it has qt4. [14:08] thx [14:08] v4nelle: kde4 as well [14:08] yea i am eviljames, i told you to stop in this channel and then you kept going, so i keep going [14:09] That's quite the persecution complex you have, but quite frankly the backlog makes you look like the provocateur here. [14:09] eviljames: he always is. [14:09] eviljames, stop already [14:09] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:10] thumbs: Believe me, I know. I typically laugh, though.. jeev can be very amusing. [14:10] that's fine eviljames, i laugh at your stupidity every time i remember how gullible you are [14:11] EpiGrammaticus (n=epigramm@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Action: eviljames won't continue this time [14:11] thanks [14:12] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [14:12] substancev (n=substanc@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:13] w/in 10 [14:13] Hey, I followed alienBOB's multilib guide without interruption. Now when attempting to build wine on slackware64 I am given the following errors http://pastebin.com/m3ed43c3e [14:13] askhader, did you follow multilib properly? [14:13] jeev: I encountered no errors [14:13] maybe gcc wasn't properly installed/compiled [14:13] did you skip a step [14:13] askhader: Did you notice build system type x86_64 ? [14:13] jeev: Not to my knowledge. I followed the 'quick' instructions without error [14:14] askhader: ARCH="i486" ./wine.SlackBuild [14:14] iirc [14:14] eviljames: Yes, my architecture is set to x86_64 as per the instructions [14:14] But don't you want wine to run 32 bit applications? [14:14] ls /var/log/packages/gcc*x86*64* [14:14] (afaik, wine has to be compiled in i486 in order to do so but someone could correct me) [14:14] how many packages you got [14:14] i've never built wine so i have no idea [14:14] The page says (1) You will have to define the ARCH variable as 'x86_64' even though you are compiling a 32-bit program! [14:14] Okay let me try it [14:16] jeev: I seem to have multiple ones http://pastebin.ca/1698878 [14:17] ahh i see, sorry man i've never tried to build wine [14:17] jeev: Hehe no worries =D [14:17] I'll ask again alter. [14:17] can you build anythign else ? [14:18] Hm. Haven't tried since toying with multilib [14:18] I hope I didn't break anything. Let me try [14:18] Yeah, other things seem to build fine [14:18] http://imgur.com/zpT8p.jpg (is this what will destroy civilization?) [14:19] you got it dood. [14:19] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] Pig_Pen: obviously, yes./ [14:19] Pig_Pen: Lame [14:19] Not lame, totally true. [14:20] Lol. [14:20] That's about as true as the fact that there are finitely many primes. [14:22] There are easy proofs that there are infinitely many primes. Just like there are easy proofs that religion serves to mankind's detriment. [14:22] eviljames: theres only one optimus prime [14:22] i am an atheist, if it was up to me i would make all religions illegal, convert all churches, mosques and synagogues in to libraries, and anyone caught preaching any religion outside the privacy of their own home arrested and put in jail and fined, thats where religion should be kept = in the privacy of your own home [14:23] eviljames: You and I must differ on the meaning of proof [14:23] Pig_Pen: I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. [14:23] askhader: Can you prove that any religion is even remotely true? [14:23] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [14:23] eviljames: Who's talking about the validity of religion? [14:23] sigh [14:24] Action: eviljames annoys thrice` :P [14:24] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left ##slackware. [14:24] mwnn (n=user@59.96.202.87) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [14:24] askhader: This debate will rage on until the end of time in ##slackofftopic [14:24] dammit [14:24] its raining off topic today [14:24] I didn't mean to annoy thrice that much :( [14:24] Action: askhader would much rather finish his xml interpreter [14:24] :p [14:25] kingbeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.85.238) joined ##slackware. [14:26] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [14:30] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:30] hba (n=hba@189.188.112.89) joined ##slackware. [14:31] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@li26-205.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [14:32] gNOn_ (n=root@201.88.219.126) joined ##slackware. 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It was a wild time, the old west of the internet [14:43] efnet [14:43] Sherriffs of public opinion, ensuring nobody irc'd as root [14:43] lol [14:43] their efforts will never be forgotten [14:44] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:44] never run root unless I am doing maintenance and then never online [14:44] some things should be "obvious" [14:45] not really, if you're coming from windows [14:45] even in windows [14:45] kingbeowulf: got it! I should never run root unless you are doing maintenance, right? [14:45] lol [14:45] sure...easy enough t set up .... [14:45] but i digress.. [14:46] what I really hopped on here for was to ask a question about multilib [14:46] what about it? [14:46] alienbob set up a wiki (nice one) but are there any updates, fixes etc since then? [14:47] not that i know of... not very much has changed in that realm [14:47] it all seems to be in order on alienBob's wiki [14:47] alienBOB was here about an hr ago actually [14:48] alienBOB has a knack for writing [14:49] In the process of setting multilib up for WINE. I still have a few windows games I can't life without and XP is driving me nuts [14:49] SLAMD64 seems dead lately [14:49] wine is kinda wierd in that [14:50] because there's an official slackware64 [14:50] yeah..its just a 32bit win compat layer sort of [14:50] alice_ (n=alice@89.194.68.72) joined ##slackware. [14:50] i know what it is lol:P [14:51] lol. Im just getting tiered of dual booting afer 15+ ys [14:51] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@adsl-99-20-198-250.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Erp. So that's what kill %1 does!" [14:51] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:53] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [14:57] hy all [14:58] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] why downgrading from kde4 to kde3.5? [14:58] how to find wan address? [14:58] metrofox1 (n=metrofox@ppp-236-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:59] dorin: why ? i don't know you tell us [15:00] Nick change: KB1JWQ -> PFY [15:00] wheel : u tried slackpkg to search kde [15:00] and i see that there is an "upgrade" to a lower version: 3.5 [15:00] dorin: me ? no i haven't tried [15:01] deco ,u dont use kde? [15:01] BTW, anyone know were to go to ftp the multilib packages instead of through http? [15:01] dorin: sometimes [15:01] BTW, can't spell worth spit... [15:01] but not anymore really [15:01] dorin: There is the option to use 3.5 instead of 4, slackpkg isn't going to downgrade kde unless you tell it too. [15:01] is there a way to see your WAN IP address? [15:01] beatzz: ifconfig ? [15:01] ifconfig only shows me my local [15:01] oh [15:02] u know, 192.168.0.X [15:02] doolittlework (n=d@196.211.34.2) joined ##slackware. [15:02] i wana see my WAN IP adress [15:02] hi there how do i get access to a slackware server lost root password [15:02] which should be X.X.X.102 i think [15:03] boot it up on SLAX and view /etc/shadow [15:03] fire|bird, u are telling me that i can use kde 3,5 and 4 at the same time (witout uninstalling one) [15:03] ? [15:03] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [15:03] beatzz: how does one boot it up with slacks? [15:03] well, any Live distrobution should work [15:03] doolittlework: mount the partition [15:04] Knoppix, SLAX, either on a CD/DVD or USB stick [15:04] will centos work? [15:04] doolittlework: if it's a live cd yes ... [15:04] http://www.pendrivelinux.com/all-in-one-usb-slaxzip/ [15:05] deco: U mean i was right? [15:05] beatzz: yup :) [15:05] :|____| [15:06] Put a mark up on the board for me! [15:06] my first successful question answering [15:07] but you know you can't acutally see the password in /etc/shadow right? [15:07] but you can change the password using the live cd. [15:07] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:07] i have befor somehow, thats why i said so. [15:07] did anyone else see the mythbusters where they polish poop ? [15:07] when i was in jail for like 2 weeks [15:08] i got out and was like, wtf cause i had JUST changed my root pw [15:08] and i did slax, and i saw it, clear as day [15:08] snL20: No, but I think beatzz was the supplier. :o [15:08] fire|bird: lol [15:08] pssh, you aint polishin my poop [15:08] at least not today [15:09] it had the consistency of like.. [15:09] refregerated pudding [15:09] ....thats normal....right....? [15:10] O_O [15:10] Action: eviljames thinks most of this is fit for ##slackofftopic [15:11] doolittlework (n=d@196.211.34.2) left irc: [15:11] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.145.142) joined ##slackware. [15:12] eviljames: heres a topic for ya, if my LAN IP address is 192.168.0.102, shouldent my WAN IP address be X.X.X.102 ? [15:12] s/topic/question [15:12] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:13] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-236-248.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:13] beatz: no [15:13] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:14] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [15:14] so.... [15:14] beatzz: alienBOB wrote an excellent article on networking , i suggest you read it [15:14] on his wiki? [15:14] Action: xsamurai i'z swears by it [15:15] can u link me? [15:16] um i dont have the link at work, someone else should have it , rg3 might [15:16] wha? [15:16] no problem, i'll just google WAN address how they are assigned [15:16] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "..." [15:17] rg3: you have the networking guide written by alienbob , the one in text format [15:17] no idea what you're talking about :) [15:17] beatzz: i'll send it to you when im online from home [15:17] np [15:18] rg3: me neither =), its been 3 years+ since i read that [15:19] thats very strange... [15:20] Action: beatzz is boggled [15:20] beatzz is now known as boggled [15:20] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.66.120) joined ##slackware. [15:21] well seriously, how dose this address match my computer.. [15:21] 72.48.68.43 [15:22] why the whole, subnet mask deal if the princple they express is not used. [15:22] substancev (n=substanc@1-18-132-169.idt.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] ? [15:23] what you mean it's not used? [15:23] well, ok [15:23] my LAN has a subnet mask of 225.225.225.0 [15:23] xsamurai (n=fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: "Leaving." [15:23] first of all, that's wrong [15:23] hence my ip being 192.168.0.X [15:24] 255.255.255.0 is probably what you mean [15:24] yea [15:24] details, anyways thats a class C subnet mask [15:24] class B are 255.255.X.X [15:24] class A 255.X.X.X [15:24] secondly, it expresses that your network comprosies of at most 254 computers (0 to identify the network, and 255 for broadcast) [15:25] roger, that is understood, BUT [15:25] *is comprised [15:25] where did this come in ? [15:25] 72.48.68.43 [15:25] that's your external ip [15:25] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:25] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-171-055.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [15:26] ok, but shouldent it have my X.X.X.102 in there? [15:26] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-171-055.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [15:26] no [15:26] that's why it's called "Routing" [15:26] or my router knows that 72.48.68.43 -> 192.168.0.102 [15:26] you don't have to know any details about the other networks, the router does [15:26] so my Routers address is .. 72.48.68.X? [15:27] and the X = 43 = me [15:27] ? [15:27] >_< [15:27] hey i had a kernel panic while compiling latest from source. How do i revert back to the older kernel? [15:27] oh, let me get this one [15:27] no, the router has the external adress of 72,48.68.43, and then it uses NAT to give you 192.168.0.102 [15:27] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [15:28] speed_ (n=claudio@ip-route.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:28] substancev: [15:28] are u using Slackware 13.0? [15:28] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:28] substancev: if you removed your "known good" kernel from lilo.conf you had it comming... [15:29] i will help him macavity [15:29] or try to [15:29] beatzz: i dont trust you to help a vegitarian in a greenhouse :P [15:29] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:30] rats [15:30] substancev: put your /boot/ pointers back to the default kernel, which should be called vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp [15:30] there should be 3, System.map / vmlinuz / config [15:31] then edit your /etc/lilo.conf [15:31] kingbeowulf: my compat32-tools package gets updates regularly, but if you have already added multilib to your computer there usually is little to do afterwards (only if you find that there are newer versions available for the -compat32 packages you have already installed) [15:31] kernel jargon is new to me... im at lilo boot... tab gives me windows and linux.. [15:31] how do i get into the system to check this out [15:31] substancev: it wont let you boot your linux kernel? [15:32] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:32] kernel panic [15:32] substancev: you need to boot off the slackware install media [15:32] substancev: if u dont have some sort of Live disk, use your slackware dvd [15:32] and the very first option u get, tell it to boot off of that kerenel it talks about [15:32] substancev: then when you get into the system you adjust the symlink in /boot/ to point to the old kernel, then you *run lilo again* [15:32] it gives u the command [15:32] ill see if i can burn it... i do have other linux live discs available [15:32] ok use them [15:33] boot it up on a live disk [15:33] edit /boot/vmlinuz & /boot/System.map & /boot/config to point back to vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp and its corrosponding system.map and config [15:33] if you use a live disk you need to chroot to slackware [15:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] cant he just use /mnt/boot/ [15:34] ? [15:34] i will do that... the error on the screen btw is ... No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 vfat msdos iso9660 // Kernel panic - not syncing: VPS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,6) [15:34] this is after attempting to make then make install [15:34] beatzz: what are you talking about?!? [15:35] Action: cmk_zzz is a bit confused by all this [15:35] if he mounts his root partition, via live disk, for example, 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" [15:35] substancev: you should probably have gained overview of the slackware specifics before you did all this [15:35] substancev: i *never* make install [15:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [15:35] cant he just go into /mnt/boot/ and edit the symlinks there? [15:36] substancev: i only make modules_install, and then i cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/mykernel-name-version-stuff-whatever and edit lilo.conf by hand [15:36] substancev: definitly listen to macavity over me, but im just shoting ideas here [15:36] beatzz: the symlinks are not enough >_< [15:36] beatzz: he needs to update lilo [15:36] macavity: you are absolutely right.. i was following someone's lead in getting my wireless issues to go away from #linux-wireless (wireless works but is half the speed of my windows 7) [15:36] well yea, he needs to edit lilo and lilo -c [15:37] macavity: hopefully i can recover.. can i?? looking for a live disk [15:37] ok i see, but running '# lilo' wont work unless he has chroot [15:37] beatzz: in short, he needs to chroot [15:37] got linux mint live [15:37] that'l do. [15:37] boot that bad boy up [15:37] Action: cmk_zzz needs more coffee [15:38] thanks. ill let you know when i have access to the CLI [15:38] substancev: chroot /dev/Your_Root_Partition [15:38] substancev: if beatzz shuts up i will talk you over the recovery, show you what to do differently next time, and give you a short tutorial on how to use /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp as a template to build a proper kernel [15:38] beatzz: no [15:39] beatzz: chroot expects a mount point, not a device no [15:39] ok, i'll shut up. :/ [15:39] beatzz: thank you [15:39] just trying to help :'( [15:39] i know.. but you are not skilled enough yet [15:39] macavity > beatzz :'( [15:39] everything you say is 85% correct :P [15:40] Action: beatzz sits in his corner [15:40] so you only have 15% to go.. which is a whole heck of a lot better than when i met you first :P [15:40] Guest60871 (n=caio@190.244.51.193) left irc: "leaving" [15:40] Hey, I followed alienBOB's multilib guide without interruption. Now when attempting to build wine on slackware64 I am given the following errors http://pastebin.com/m3ed43c3e [15:40] Any ideas? [15:40] i guess i aughta be studying anyhow. [15:40] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:41] i will be scedualing my test when the wife gets back w/ my phone. [15:41] Action: substancev packs a bowl making sure coworkers aren't noticing him. [15:41] substancev: lmfao [15:41] mmmm....a bowl.... :o.. [15:41] this job rocks.. [15:41] My bowls are all empty [15:41] phoenix^_ (n=fire|bir@173-17-139-25.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:41] my bowls have been retired for 3.5 months [15:41] substancev: if i get the idea that you are not catching on to instructions because you are stoned i will refuse to help you... so you better know how much you can handle :P [15:42] man this is taking forever to boot [15:42] macavity: can't smoke in the office. [15:42] just prepping for the victory [15:42] beatzz: Quit? [15:42] yea buddy, my greatest victory yet. [15:42] good.. because i hate supporting people who are dim [15:42] Nick change: Dominian -> BOFH [15:42] i was on medical buds up in WA for a while there [15:43] 10 years, this is the soberist ive been. [15:43] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [15:43] the local brewerys love me now on the other hand -_- [15:43] Nick change: phoenix^_ -> phoenix^ [15:43] lot of i/o buffer errors ... device sr0... thats my dvd drive i think this is normal.. just taking forever.. [15:43] i think i might just burn me a slackware dvd [15:43] bad media? [15:43] Nick change: phoenix^ -> Guest99817 [15:44] possibly.. brb [15:44] slack dvd's pwntz. [15:44] booting to ... [15:44] Nick change: BOFH -> Dominian [15:44] Guest99817 (n=fire|bir@173-17-139-25.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:44] gulp... [15:44] windows. [15:44] yuck.. [15:44] phoenix^_ (n=fire|bir@173-17-139-25.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:44] I wonder why slack hasn't stepped into the grub world. [15:45] because grub is lame? [15:45] and more complex than it needs to be? :P [15:45] windows 7 is the best... I dont get why anyone would use anything else! [15:45] because the lilo world => [15:45] seriously though... [15:45] if lilo works, why change it? [15:45] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [15:45] snL20: lol [15:45] yea im so glad windows finanly went open source [15:45] beatzz: ;) [15:45] u can go online and download it for free! [15:45] no activating or nothing [15:46] beatzz: ? que [15:46] lol [15:46] u know? windows... [15:46] Necos: i see features in grub that, yes are overkill most the time, but man they are nice when things blow up [15:46] Necos: because it is easier to set up fancy splash-screens in grub? (I don't know if that is the case but it would probably push a lot of distros to use grub) [15:46] xsamurai (n=munki@75.85.160.10) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [15:46] cmk_zzz, which is the problem with other distros IMO :P [15:47] substancev: grub is in either extra/ or unsupported/ [15:47] extra/ I think [15:47] substancev: you may wish to use it untill you know how to keep a viable plan B when working on kernels ;-) [15:47] macavity, don't get me wrong, grub is cool, but yeah, it's overkill in most cases [15:47] i like the simplicity of lilo [15:47] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.220) joined ##slackware. [15:48] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:48] Necos: i wouldnt mind that Linux could actually take advantage of some of the stuff grub can (like FreeBSD) [15:48] Nick change: phoenix^_ -> fire|bird [15:48] i noticed lilo is swift compared to grub [15:49] what's nice about grub is that you dont have to reinstall it every time you upgrade the kernel [15:50] u mean run 'lilo' ? [15:50] its like 4 letters [15:50] + an Enter stoke [15:50] beatzz: easy to forget [15:50] hi all. i've started sshd in my server. i've configured it (allowed only the client address and no root login). on the client when i enter "ssh user@ipaddress", it says always "permission denied" after i digit the password [15:51] Caps lock on? [15:51] whats nice about lilo is it wont write to your MBR unless the config file is in proper order [15:51] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:51] the password i've entered is correct [15:51] askhader: the error also states "See `config.log' for more details." Did you check that? [15:51] have you updated the keys on your box? [15:52] alienBOB: can u link me to ur 1337 networking article? [15:52] Ever heard of google beatzz [15:52] i've tried also ssh-keygen -R serveraddress [15:52] You asked this an hour ago and did not find it? [15:53] and then again "ssh user@ipaddress" [15:53] negitive, i looked at ur wiki, but, dident find anything that was a general networking atricle. [15:53] alienBOB: I'm not sure where to find that? Within the wine file? [15:53] something about some networking services [15:53] source file* [15:53] OclkdMan: are you using publickey auth ? [15:53] What did you find in my wiki that you did not think was a Slackware networking article beatzz [15:54] hold on i will pull it up again [15:54] askhader: read that line [15:54] alienBOB: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:vde [15:54] There is a config.log file in the wine source directory which has more info on the error [15:54] .sorry i don't know. i've started sshd as a service. i've secure its config and restarted it in the server [15:54] askhader (n=askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:55] secured=(allowed only the client ip address and no root login) [15:55] beatzz: and it never occurred to you, to type "network" in the Wiki's search box? [15:55] alienBOB: i did -_- [15:55] I did too [15:55] well, correction, i typed 'networking' [15:55] First hit is the correct article. And it is not the one you pasted [15:55] OclkdMan: OckldMan: how have you secured it? sshd_config? [15:56] yes [15:56] OclkdMan: running "ssh -v ...." will add some more verbosity, maybe it'll give a clue [15:56] alienBOB: ahh yes, i see the one your refering too, it dident show up like that under the search 'networking' [15:57] alienBOB: thanks ;) [15:57] askhader (n=askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:57] now maby i can figure out this wan address deal. [15:57] "debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive / Permission denied, please try again." [15:57] julioc (n=Who@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) joined ##slackware. [15:58] gtg, i realy need to get into this book. [15:58] c ya all. [15:58] damn hard finding ftp mirror with dvd iso [15:58] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [15:58] substancev: i will hook u up befor i go [15:59] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] substancev: ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [15:59] peace all. [15:59] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:59] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:00] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-115-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] it is really a strange thing. i've just used the password to log in physically on the server [16:00] but with ssh it does not work. [16:00] OckldMan: Did it work before you enabled the restrictions? [16:00] OclkdMan, what version of ssh are you running on the client? server? [16:00] actually, there was a bug in glibc that produced that bug [16:00] that error [16:00] the 20 lines of debug messages does not say something is wrong [16:00] argh... [16:01] sorry guys but now i have to go away [16:01] beatz... doing 2 Megabytes a second ;\... i could be doing 4 if it were closer.. [16:01] thx for the support [16:01] byez [16:01] thanks tho [16:01] OclkdMan, lol later [16:01] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.220) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] substancev, stop yer bitching and download [16:02] ;p [16:02] and tell me when you are done :P [16:03] you leechin too? :P [16:04] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:05] Is there anything I should be aware of before installing slackware-64? nvidia driver? flash plugin? kde? everything works as expected on slackware 13? [16:05] jonsmith1982: afaik, yes. [16:05] jonsmith1982: I use slackware64 on desktop and laptop, but no NV [16:06] I use Nvidias binary driver with both 32bit and 64bit Slackware - no problems [16:07] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:07] the nvidia slackbuild works great with 13/64 [16:07] I'd not be able to use packages i've built for 32bit slackware 13 would I? [16:08] And the 64bit flash browser plugin works well for me as well [16:08] jonsmith1982: no [16:08] browsers should intergrate multi-sourced downloads [16:09] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.51.153) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:09] uh, no, they shouldn't... [16:09] At closer inspection of the config.log I cannot find anything particularly useful. There was this /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory -- Here is the config.log for reference http://pastebin.ca/1699067 [16:09] putting more load on the network to find multiple resources isn't a very smart move [16:09] askhader: again, I think you did not install all mu+ltilib stuff [16:10] Did you upgrade to the multilib versions of gcc and glibc (also on my web site) [16:10] alienBOB: thanks for the updated usbimg2disk script. gonna try it pretty soon. although i will try to modify it to use 1gb (havent examined it yet). while this is still hot, can you add a check for floppy/mtools like for syslinux? i had asked about this a while back but you were at work iirc so chances are you forgot. i dont know if you disagree about adding such an addition. its simple, and i could send a patch of you want. not right now t [16:11] alienBOB: Sorry, I didn't see where you said that you think I may have missed something. I'll attempt to go back and retrace my steps [16:11] s/adding/making [16:11] Necos, substancev: Besides, the multi-sourced download problem has been solved. BitTorrent. [16:11] Which, btw, is a great alternative to d/l from the web for Slackware isos. [16:11] I seed, and I'm sure lots of people here do as well. [16:12] ej, that's kinda my point, it's not for the realm of the browser [16:12] sahk0: if you want a tuned script then the "old" create_multipart script is still good. The usbimg2disk.sh is supposed to be working along KISS lines [16:12] alienBOB: what i ask for is just an mtools check and warning [16:12] askhader: did you or did you not, upgrade your gcc and glibc with the multilib versions from my site?/// [16:13] sahk0: what did you mean with the 1GB remark then [16:13] alienBOB: cause the script doesnt work without mtools [16:13] hba (n=hba@189.188.112.89) left irc: "leaving" [16:13] alienBOB: just read your linux magazine interview, good stuff and well done! [16:14] actually, so far as i know, you can't get bootable usb sticks past 1GB [16:14] ahh.. just bumped up to 3.8MB/s [16:14] alienBOB: i meant that iirc correctly your article says it needs a 2gb stick. and that i will try to modify it to my needs to fit in 1gb. you can safely ignore it. it was more of an introduction [16:15] but i dont know hows that possible yet. if it is. [16:15] alienBOB: I got all the gcc and glibc packages that are on http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ and built them [16:15] at least, that's how it works for the windows PEs [16:15] Built them??? [16:15] alienBOB: Sorry, I don't know what 'built' means exactly. [16:15] Installed them [16:15] I should say [16:15] lol [16:15] sahk0: what part of mtools (now replaced by package "floppy" in Slackware 13) is used by usbimg2disk.sh ? [16:16] alienBOB: hrrm. we had talked about this once in #slackbuilds. let me research again. 1 min [16:16] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [16:18] syslinux needs some part of mtools [16:18] well, looks like alienBOB's instructions are pretty damn simple [16:18] Nick change: metrofox1 -> metrofox [16:19] my guess is that askhader screwed something up not paying attention [16:19] sahk0: Aug 31 11:30:37 because in case syslinux is installed but not a/floppy, the build doesnt fail but doesnt work either [16:19] This... strange [16:19] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] ah, logs:) [16:20] hehehe [16:20] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:20] sahk0: It looks as if the script should use "syslinux-nomtools" instead of "syslinux" [16:20] alienBOB: I succsesfully built wine. Thanks [16:20] askhader: so what made the difference? [16:21] Action: Necos waits for it... [16:21] alienBOB: i dont know about the details, but if you have the log, then i dont have anything to add:) [16:21] Well instead of trying to run the Slackbuild, I downloaded a 32-bit wine package from your website and used your package conversion script [16:21] just think about it [16:21] lol, he obviously didn't read the directions [16:22] Necos: Lol! [16:22] askhader: that is not the same as "building" aka "compiling" and furthermore, you do not have to run 32bit non-Slackware packages through convertpkg .... [16:22] Completely incompetent, yes! [16:22] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [16:23] there's a whole section that tells you how to compile 32-bit programs... i'm staring at it right now askhader >.> [16:23] The convertpkg-compat32 script should *only* be used for "converting" 32bit Slackware packages so that yu can install it along the 64bit version of the package without messing up [16:23] Oh. [16:24] I even have a wine package for Slackware64 right here: http://slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/wine/pkg64/13.0/ [16:24] ScreamerX (n=screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [16:24] john_dee (n=id@95-29-145-254.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:25] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] howdy [16:25] alienBOB: Yeah that caused me some problems. [16:25] But it was probably my own error [16:25] probably? no... it _WAS_ [16:25] imarambiocatan_ (n=imarambi@190.216.26.210) joined ##slackware. [16:26] macavity: while im waiting for this to download... i installed brasero burning tool to create an audio cd out of mp3's... however.. when trying to add the mp3's... it told me the codecs for gstreamer were unavailable ... or something similar. How can i get codecs for slack... other distro's just worked. [16:26] Necos: You're right. [16:26] _bruno (n=bruno@201-42-209-254.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:26] substancev, why not use k3b? [16:26] Necos: I made a mistake. [16:27] gn all [16:27] askhader, my point is not "you fucked up! let's point and laugh". it's "you fucked up because you didn't follow directions carefully. please do so in the future" [16:27] Necos: My apologies. I'm just a bit frustrated. [16:27] I'll try to be more attentive to instructions in the future [16:28] alienBOB didn't go thru writing such good instructions for nothing :) [16:28] i didn't want to install kde? [16:28] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:28] so you got stuck with installing a bunch of gnome deps... same boat :P [16:28] i'm trying to do it via the command line... i know mpg123 can convert to wav [16:29] elliot98 (n=elliot@109.66.47.199) joined ##slackware. [16:29] or use burncdda, which is an awesome bash script [16:30] and burncdda is command line :P [16:30] interesting i hadnt noticed the syslinux-nomtools binary [16:31] Necos: i didn't install bunch of gnome deps.. gconf and orbit are the only extras i had to install to get brasero running. [16:31] substancev: brasero is a gnome app. Slackware does not have gnome, so it will likely have missed some dependencies. [16:32] substancev, so install burncdda [16:32] Some more gstreamer codecs got added to slackware-current which brasero probably wants [16:33] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [16:33] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:33] it uses all the cli tools that are already present on a slack system :P [16:33] http://freshmeat.net/projects/burncdda/ [16:37] :) [16:38] it puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again [16:39] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65213a5.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:39] lol [16:39] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:40] so, IF i knew the WAN IP address to a Windows computer that has its C:\Users folder shared, i could mount that to my system by doing the following ? [16:40] beatzz: smbmount [16:41] mount -t cifs \\CPU's_WAN_IP_Address\Users /mnt/windows [16:41] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-39-75.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] or yea, as snL20 says smbmount \\CPU's_WAN_IP_Address\Users /mnt/windows user= ?? [16:41] ? [16:41] something like that, except the firewall blocks public ips [16:41] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:42] Routers firewall? [16:42] and as of SP2, it's enabled by default [16:42] no, windows [16:42] what port would i need to open? [16:42] 139 and 445, but again, they're blocked by the firewall [16:42] ahh windows firewall, so if i had access to said Windows machine [16:42] and edited the firewall, i could then? [16:42] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-236-248.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [16:43] 139 / 445 = smb ports? [16:44] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [16:44] beatzz: If they have a router (usually combined with the modem) it is likely that those ports are blocked from there as well. I don't know how common it is nowadays that ppl actually put their unproteced computer straight on the net [16:44] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [16:45] cmk_zzz, exactly lol [16:45] don't do that :) [16:46] imarambiocatan_ (n=imarambi@190.216.26.210) left irc: No route to host [16:46] wtf. [16:46] i cant start rc.cups as root? [16:46] is rc.cups chmod +x? :P [16:46] ... [16:46] Action: beatzz slaps hiself [16:46] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Action: macavity hands beatzz the cluebat [16:47] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] beatzz: do: sh /etc/rc.d/rc.cups start if you don't want to +x flag it [16:47] beatzz: you keep talking about WAN address. But do you mean LAN address? Mounting Samba shares over the Internet is no good [16:47] alienBOB: yea, i mean mounting a Samba share over the internet [16:48] like my brothers computer, acrost town [16:48] so i can view his "Shared Folders" [16:48] beatzz: VNC [16:48] You had better look into setting up VPN then [16:48] SMB is blocked over most networks, don't rely on it [16:48] rats... [16:48] beatzz: if you export you SMB shares directly to the wild, dont come crying *when* you get your computer torn a new asshole :P [16:48] beatz: That is unsecure. Don't do it unless you want to hurt your brother [16:48] You do not want to see all your data fly across the Internet unencrypted beatzz [16:49] beatzz, openvpn is probably the way to go here [16:49] or use a readily available file-sharing site [16:50] Word, well all of that said, i DO have to setup a Samba server for my Linux+ exam [16:50] i dont nessisarly have to get my brothers files [16:50] wa just curious how i would go about doing it [16:50] openvpn it is. [16:50] so setup a network in vmware or qemu [16:50] don't need to do that in the wild [16:50] i have a server here [16:51] just got it running yesterday. [16:51] what's wrong with setting up a virtual environment for testing? >.> [16:51] "server" as in a crappy box i bought for 50 bucks. [16:51] booting with slackdvd [16:51] i use it all the time for software testing here at the school [16:51] im shure it kicks ass, but i have no clue about vmware [16:51] i don't want to push something out on my unsuspecting users with showstopper buggs [16:52] *bugs [16:52] i used it once to install XP within my linux [16:52] anyways, i got through that section ok, havent setup a samba server yet, moving on to CUPS. [16:52] figure i might try to set it up tonight. [16:52] cupsaddsmb is your friend [16:53] macavity: ok im at the boot: prompt of the slack dvd [16:53] substancev: w00t w00t! [16:54] macavity wont steer u wronge substancev [16:54] packeteer (n=zed@74.207.241.175) got netsplit. [16:54] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) got netsplit. [16:54] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@84.209.88.122) got netsplit. [16:54] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) got netsplit. [16:54] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) got netsplit. [16:54] Matt (n=matt@66.184.117.10) got netsplit. 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[16:54] nnyby (n=nybnik10@192.211.16.97) returned to ##slackware. [16:54] oooh netsplit [16:54] substancev: do as it sasy, but observe that the space between "rdinit=" and "ro" is *intentional* [16:54] ride the wave! \o/ [16:54] IrquiM (n=irquim@80.202.41.176) returned to ##slackware. [16:54] *says [16:54] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:54] deco: you aren't tall enough, go away. [16:55] ok back to studying [16:55] hugesmp.s root=/dev/hda1 rdinit= ro? [16:55] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-67-170-39-104.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] lol fire|bird [16:55] fire|bird: how tall must one be ? [16:55] hey, when i make an rc.script +x will it be started every time the system boots now? [16:55] substancev: if that is what it says :P [16:55] beatzz, yes [16:55] tripFantstic (i=1000@c-68-56-215-21.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] deco: taller than you, duh! :P [16:55] deco: 5' 11" [16:55] :o [16:55] ok, so i need to -x it on the laptop. [16:55] substancev: i dont remember the exact wording, but besure to destingish between upper and lover case if any [16:55] roger [16:56] fire|bird: lol :P [16:56] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "peace all" [16:56] substancev: do you have IDE or SATA? [16:56] Kernal panic: not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) [16:56] sata [16:56] ... [16:56] what is your root device? [16:56] /dev/sda1? [16:56] /dev/sda2? [16:56] /dev/sdb1? [16:57] tltstc (n=tltstc@76.90.95.39) left irc: No route to host [16:57] 0,0...sounds like sda1 [16:57] i dont know your computer, but you need to supply the same root device as you did when the slackware installer asked you where to put / [16:57] dark_djinn: sda1 is (8,0) iirc [16:58] lol fire|bird you're as tall as i am [16:58] Meckafet1 (n=meckafet@fh233n1-hdn-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:58] let me try agin. [16:58] again [16:58] macavity: yeah, you're right...i'm full of fail tonight [16:59] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-145.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] that's how it is somedays [17:00] packeteer (n=zed@74.207.241.175) got lost in the net-split. [17:00] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@84.209.88.122) got lost in the net-split. [17:00] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) got lost in the net-split. [17:00] Steaki (n=steaki@88.192.221.253) got lost in the net-split. [17:00] Ekc__ (n=Ekc@87.121.162.199) got lost in the net-split. [17:00] zmyrgel (n=zmyrgel@80.221.34.59) got lost in the net-split. [17:00] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@cm-84.209.88.122.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Necos: yeah, i know [17:02] hmmm, damn, still got tons of stuff to read before i can start doing C++ code >.<; [17:02] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [17:03] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] substancev: are you getting somewhere? [17:03] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:04] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:04] bah, got disconnected, grrrr [17:04] i managed to boot to my previous kernel [17:04] ?!? [17:04] i moved the old symlink to vmlinuz [17:05] good [17:05] im good. now to recompile (i have a linux guru at work here) [17:05] tripFantastic (i=1000@c-68-56-213-166.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:05] next time only do "make modules_install", then cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/your-kernel-name [17:05] im logged in [17:06] or arch/x86_64/boot/ if that is appropriate [17:06] or have lilo boot /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.6-smp ;p [17:06] and always keep a "failsafe" in lilo.conf for /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp [17:07] Camarade_Tux: name fail :P [17:08] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-115-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "buying an nvidia card" [17:08] macavity: that's because I'm barefoot -_- [17:08] Camarade_Tux: do you have smelly feet? [17:09] arrr (n=mrselfpw@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] macavity: only smelly socks [17:09] why do feet smell and noses run when noses should smell and feet should run? [17:09] mrmoneyc (n=mrmoneyc@66.160.197.151) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] mancha++ [17:09] slakmagi1 (n=j@adsl-162-150-5.rmo.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:09] lol [17:09] he :P [17:09] hehehehe [17:10] iv never heard that one before [17:10] macavity: btw, screw you :) [17:10] Camarade_Tux: lol :P [17:11] macavity: I was told I am alike you. [17:12] lol [17:12] and it's official, if you ask a friend about something, you should be at home 7/24, I got my friend's data back but can't give it back since I have nothing to handle it except a bunch of internal drives which I won't carry around (I put my system disk in my coat's pocket, not gonna do that again) [17:12] thumbs: awww.. poor soule [17:12] we don't want that :P [17:12] *soul [17:12] thumbs: yeah, really sad =/ [17:12] thumbs: have you sought out any self help groups yet? :P [17:12] macavity: regarding your dislike for jeev's attitude. [17:12] ah [17:12] GODAttach (n=GODAttac@unaffiliated/godattach) joined ##slackware. [17:12] spook: btw, good, bought 15 beers today, 3 already gone but the stocks should last a bit ;p [17:12] well.. that is just called common sense [17:12] lol thumbs [17:13] macavity: yes, it is. [17:13] jeev isn't that bad all the time :) [17:13] lol, my music player lights the room more than two screens ^^ [17:14] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:14] from fortune: "Men employees will be given time off each week for courting purposes" ^^ [17:14] (Office Worker's Guide, New England Carriage Works, 1872) [17:14] can we go back in time plz? kthxby [17:14] icarus_ (n=icarus@79.142.230.109.static.knet.bolignet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:16] I have a question regarding slackbuild scripts. Is it ok to rely on bash there ? I'd like to have a one-dimensional array for supplying a list of patches but it seems ash can't handle that. - I *know* that the 'doinst.sh' is required to run with ash. But isn't it reasonable to assume that if you're building a slackware package, you'll have bash ? [17:17] slackware requires bash afaik [17:17] harksaw (n=sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] start-up scripts need bash [17:17] ok... what should i do to compile this kernel. idownloaded the latest from kernel.org [17:18] substancev: The slackware manual should detail that. Basically you'll have to extract it, run 'make menuconfig', make modules_install, make bzimage and copy the relevant files over to /boot etc... You really can't get a good summary on that ;) [17:18] substancev: unpack kernel source; cd kernel-tree; cp /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp .config [17:19] Nick change: tripFantstic -> tripFantastic [17:19] john_dee (n=id@95-29-145-254.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:19] substancev: make menuconfig; add support for your / filesystem; do what you came to do; make; make modules_install; cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/your-kernel-name; edit /etc/lilo.conf; lilo; reboot [17:19] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [17:20] substancev: if you need help on what any of that means you are not ready to do kernels yet ;-) [17:20] icarus it might be reasonable but you'd have to mark it as a dep in the script unless it's for your use only [17:20] icarus your script, do what you want. [17:21] Slackware expects that root uses bash. [17:21] Strange things can happen if you change root's shell [17:21] alienBOB: ah no wonder ... i tried to use zsh with root it was a disaster [17:21] Her0 (n=jkemp@174-159-59-136.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] icarus_: if /bin/sh is actually ash instead of bash, the boot scripts won't even work right [17:21] So, the SlackBuild script can use bash-isms but the doinst.sh can not (it should be ash compatible) [17:21] tripFantastic: ah well.. I'll probably just leave a patch method then. It's one of those things which might need a fair bit of customization depending on the package anyway... Oh.. and I'm just writing a general script that I can use when building packages *at first*. But I'd just like to follow conventions enough to make it somewhat likely that I could submit it if I want to :) [17:22] k [17:22] a preBuild sript? [17:23] Nah, nothing so fancy. Just following (and modifying) the "Writing a SlackBuild Script" guide from SlackWiki (linked from slackbuilds.org) [17:23] k [17:24] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.73.210) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Anyway, thanks to all who chipped in :) [17:25] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [17:25] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [17:25] why does doinst.sh have to be ash-compliant? [17:25] even with reading backlog, that convo made no sense... [17:26] mancha: because that is the shell that the installer is using [17:26] oh because it could be installed from an install-media boot? [17:26] mac, right, forgot about that possibililty [17:26] :P [17:26] lol [17:27] mancha: also, ***iirc*** you can omit installing bash [17:27] "why do you carry that shovel?" "just in case of shit" [17:27] mancha: aaa-base contains ash, and the bash package over writes it [17:27] last time i successfully compiled a kernel was more then 10 years ago :( ill read read read.. [17:27] macavity: I tried, rc.udev doesn't like it ;-) [17:27] again, *iirc* [17:27] bah [17:27] Camarade_Tux: ah fuck [17:27] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:27] Action: Camarade_Tux is still barefoot [17:27] mac, didn't they just all say root needs bash? [17:27] offtopic has a new home... ##slackware-offtopic [17:28] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [17:28] wow, right [17:28] Action: macavity updates brain [17:28] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Client Quit [17:28] i was rather sure that root had /bin/sh [17:28] but allash [17:28] macavity: just been using those self updating distro's for a while [17:28] but yeh, if you're gonna do a rescue from the install media, you best not use bash that is not ash compliant i guess [17:28] *allas [17:29] noobuntu n co. [17:29] but that would mean that bash supports all of ash's syntax et al. [17:29] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Client Quit [17:29] substancev: oh, so you have become a nubuntard? ;-) [17:29] mancha: there's an important distinction. A slackbuild script is a sh script you run to *build* a package. Building requires a full slackware environment which means bash is available.. doisnt.sh runs right *after* a package is installed. Packages may be installed while only using the install media which ships with a limited environment in which 'ash' is used by standard. [17:29] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:29] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Client Quit [17:29] macavity: ive always had a softspot for linux... ubuntu was easy and fun. [17:30] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:30] slackware was my first distro... 10+ years later im back:) [17:30] and by "ash", really means "busybox" [17:30] breaking linux all over again :) [17:30] substancev, congrats? >.> [17:30] plus ash is in ap/ I think [17:30] busybox's ash implementation is fully ash compliant though, so why make a distinction? [17:30] hehe. I went to slack after ubuntu gave my system a thorough thrashing (Some DKMS packages which recompiles needed drivers where the packagers didn't include the source, oh and some packages got removed from the repository too). [17:31] the language is ash, not busybox [17:31] the troubles of automation :) [17:31] Nick change: dark_djinn -> nyRednek [17:31] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.85.238) left irc: Client Quit [17:31] Nick change: nyRednek -> dark_djinn [17:31] Camarade_Tux: no kidding. And *of course* it was during an exam period ;) [17:31] mancha, sure, but I'm saying the actual executable is busybox, not the true ash shell [17:32] ^^ [17:33] i'm gonna go back to learning C++... gotta get this project [17:33] started >.<; [17:33] Ah, C++, oh how I love to break you [17:34] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:34] yes, the thing thatll interpret your ash code is busybox. which i might add, is quite a great little program. it makes embedded life a lot easier. [17:34] zmyrgel (n=zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:34] yep [17:34] so my wireless is not as fast in linux as it is in my windows partition. so in #linux-wireless they said my kernel was too outdated. [17:34] eventually I want to do something interesting with busybox + fatELF + uClibc [17:35] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:35] the ultimate boot disc [17:36] foo=testxyz; foo=${bar/x/y} <--- foo ends up "testyyz"... what's the bash syntax for sed 's/x.*/y/'? ${bar/x.*/y} ain't it [17:36] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:36] eventually I will find the answer in the giant man page for bash [17:37] Urchlay, nope, it's just glob replacement. there's nothing as flexible as sed that way [17:37] ah, so there just ain't a way to do it in pure bash, without calling something like sed? [17:37] urchlay: yes, some limited support [17:37] the ${//} has always been good enough for me [17:38] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [17:39] tuxdev: I have a variable whose value is something like "foo-bar", and I want to extract just the "foo"... normally I'd just use sed or maybe cut, but am trying to learn the new-fangled bash stuff [17:39] urchlay: is foo or -bar known? [17:39] not really [17:40] _bruno (n=bruno@201-42-209-254.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [17:40] right, for that it's ${VAR%-*}r [17:40] s/r$// [17:40] yah, got it [17:40] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] that's stingy, greedy is %% [17:40] the bash man page doesn't make it easy to search for that stuff [17:41] if [[ "$myvar" =~ '(.*)-.*' ]]; then echo ${BASH_REMATCH[1]} [17:41] stingy/greedy shouldn't matter for this [17:41] use the online bash reference, it's a lot easier [17:41] or summitz [17:41] add in an fi for god measure [17:42] *good measure, sorry handheld (small keys big fingers) [17:42] mancha: uh, that's uglier and harder to understand than the equivalent $( echo $var | sed '...' ) [17:42] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] Steaki (n=steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:42] manch, yeah, the RE matcher can be used to simulate sed, but not drop in [17:42] but ${var%-*} works good [17:42] http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/string-manipulation.html [17:43] I'm half tempted to write a sed and grep replacement in pure bash [17:43] tuxdev: you're a masochist if you do, and you're a sadist if you make anyone else use it :) [17:44] you're talking to the guy who wrote a HTTP and FTP client in bash, remember? [17:44] probably less painful than my attempt to write an FTP server in Java, about a week after I started learning Java [17:45] macavity: man... i guess im not ready for kernels yet :( [17:45] its intimidating [17:45] well, yeah. Writing a client that only supports anonymous login and passive mode, it's not that hard [17:46] using /dev/tcp stuff? [17:46] yeah [17:46] no way for bash to listen on a TCP port, hence the passive mode... nice [17:47] the dual channel stuff is 90s [17:47] I think bash can, it's just that active mode fails badly nowadays [17:47] is so 90s (damnit) [17:47] NAT is a pain [17:48] i didnt know you can name pipes [17:49] http://bashcurescancer.com/10-linux-commands-youve-never-used.html [17:49] substancev: this is the tutorial i follow http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [17:49] http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide [17:49] much better than ABS [17:50] tuxdev: thanks I'll look into it, seems a bit more structured than ABS [17:50] scuzz: excellent thanks. [17:51] np [17:52] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.145.142) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] <_slax0r_> Hi guys, erm...haven't used slack since 11...where has xorg.conf gone to? I can't find it anywhere on the system(using slocate) [17:53] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:53] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:54] _slax0r_, don't need it anymore in 13 [17:54] unless you have special requirements [17:54] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-164-120.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:54] _slax0r_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the default location [17:54] How do you know what is configured? [17:54] <_slax0r_> first I want to check which driver it used for my x600 graphics card, cuzz it's a bit sluggish [17:54] <_slax0r_> xsamurai, I know, but it's non-existent :) [17:55] then check your Xorg logs [17:55] <_slax0r_> that would be a good idea...darn...sorry [17:57] eh, what the hell? iostream.h isn't in the default include paths? [17:57] <_slax0r_> try iostream without .h and include: using namespace std; [17:58] iostream is deprecated [17:58] it is evil [17:58] >.<; [17:58] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] using namespace std; [17:58] is evil too [17:58] er, iostream.h [17:59] ugh, having to write std::cout << "whatever" over & over again makes for hard-to-read code [17:59] not seeing std:: makes for hard-to-read code, IMNSHO [17:59] the std:: is "noise" and it's more characters than the cout/cerr/cin stuff (the actual important thing you need to see when reading the code) [17:59] explicit is better than implicit I guess. Python objective [17:59] also you *will* shoot your leg off eventually [18:00] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [18:00] not me, I don't code for a living any more... and I'd never pick C++ for my own projects :) [18:00] Action: cmk_zzz hasn't used C++ in 10 years. Hopes he never has to learn it again [18:00] Urchlay: i erased c++ awhile back [18:00] std::count exists, but count is a perfectly fine variable name [18:00] you were right _slax0r_ [18:00] Urchlay: you just grow beards for a living now? [18:01] Action: tuxdev completely drunk on C++ kool-aid [18:01] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-171-055.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [18:01] a huge part of C++ bad rep comes from pre-standard days, and a lot of mis-teaching [18:01] eviljames: actually I'm almost completely unemployed :( [18:01] eviljames: yeah, and then donates them to BFBF (Beards For Beardless Foundation) [18:02] http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20091202083704_Intel_to_Demonstrates_48_Core_Microprocessor.html COOL [18:02] >.> [18:02] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-171-055.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [18:03] <_slax0r_> gotta run...tah tah [18:03] well, the only reason i'm even learning C++ is for groking akonadi / opensync... [18:03] ja na [18:03] and also, barry is written in C++, so yeah :( [18:05] all this work, just for my blackberry... lol [18:05] how come slack drop gnome? [18:05] Necos: learning a new language just blackberry :P [18:05] because gnome is a complicated beast [18:05] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:05] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.247) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:05] gnome is an epic pain [18:05] dependency hell++++++++ [18:06] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl7-79-88.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:06] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:06] gnome was always way stable than KDE [18:06] and it requires a lot of time to package... [18:06] Chug-a-Lug Chug-a-Lug [18:06] GSB or dropline make nice packages for slack [18:06] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.100.61) joined ##slackware. [18:06] so if you have to have gnome, it's still available... [18:07] i could never get use to using KDE :) [18:07] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-171-055.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Client Quit [18:07] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.247) joined ##slackware. [18:07] i did install gnome and removed kde :) [18:07] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-171-055.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [18:07] then again, i hate both KDE and GNOME, and choose not to use a DE :P [18:07] hear ya! [18:07] crashdata: one reason is that gnome is a complex enough beast that it needs a massive investment of time/energy to maintain gnome packages for a distro... and Pat doesn't have the time/energy to maintain both gnome and KDE [18:07] Necos: now i use init3 woot!! [18:07] Necos, sure you do, it's M&M DE [18:08] lol, i use openbox with tint2, hardly a DE :P [18:08] Urchlay: gotcha.... [18:08] hmmm, this is hilarious... [18:08] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [18:08] "The ampersand (&) in line 6 defines another_stuff as a reference variable, which is a new addition to C++" [18:08] it doesn't really take much.. LXDE is mostly a loose collection of stuff [18:09] lxde is just openbox with a taskbar [18:09] lxde is far from that :P [18:09] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start" [18:09] Necos: sure :P [18:09] i used to use lxpanel, but it doesn't support transparency [18:09] surprising the new KDE is not that buggy [18:09] Necos: it does [18:09] but not real transparanency [18:09] and the line above is from the C++ book i'm reading [18:10] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.66.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:10] just didnt like the file navigation structure [18:10] primer? [18:10] anyway, that line is an out and out lie :) [18:10] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:10] because you could do that in ANSI and/or K&R C [18:10] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [18:11] kingbeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) left irc: "Landru! Guide us!" [18:11] Necos, pointers exists, references (I'm not a pointer, really I'm not!) don't [18:11] okay, so i was stupid and i gave lilo a new vga mode without testing it [18:11] |CtrlAltCa| (n=fabio@83.225.128.122) joined ##slackware. [18:11] so now when the system boots, i see nothing [18:11] Anyone here using OSSv4? I have it installed and nearly everything works fine except for amarok. Even phonon works if I test it in systemsettings --> multimedia, but when I go to play a song in amarok, it just skips to the next song (and the next, and the next, so on...) [18:12] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [18:12] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [18:12] Nick change: phoenix^ -> bleeding|edge [18:12] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:12] int &another_stuff = stuff; // A synonym for stuff <--- this is from the book as well (and the "line 6") [18:12] adamk: same here. =) [18:13] hackedhead, can you get a lilo prompt? [18:13] oh wait, heh, now i get it... lol [18:13] Her0, Well that makes me feel a tiny little bit better. [18:13] tuxdev, yes [18:13] i was reading it like i'd do it in C, int another_stuff = &stuff; [18:13] actually, i may have just fixed it, hold the line. [18:13] have you tried overriding it with vga=normal? [18:14] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] Alright, how about a media player other than amarok that lets you filter songs in the playlist by name? :-) [18:14] tuxdev: i can ge to the slackware splash lilo thing, with one entry, can i turn that into a prompt? [18:15] don't know.. I think you get a prompt for free (that is, select and then type stuff) [18:15] but with splash I'm not so sure [18:16] tuxdev: i'll take a look [18:16] adamk, that's a lot to ask :P [18:16] i did manage to determine what drive the system is installed to, so i cna boot it off the CD [18:16] adamk, mplayer + globbing :-D [18:16] Necos, Well amarok can do it :-) It can't be that hard :-) [18:16] Heh. [18:16] but i forget how that affects running lilo again to correct [18:17] but amarok has been in development for a long time :P [18:17] hackedhead, I've corrected lilo from booting off of the CD kernel with the actual root, it doesn't really care [18:18] correcting lilo from within the CD root might be a bit tricky [18:18] tuxdev, okay, yeah i had the correct root [18:18] no the CD root [18:18] Can psuedo transparency be done with Konsole? [18:18] not* [18:18] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:18] but, gets me a prompt form the splash [18:18] I'd be quite happy with amarok working with OSSv4... It works fine that way on FreeBSD :-( [18:18] Her0, I don't believe so, no. [18:18] and Linux vga=normal override is working [18:18] so thanks for that [18:18] adamk: Ok, didn't think so either, but wasn't sure. [18:22] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:24] so what is the recommended fs for salckware 13? has ext4 taken over? [18:24] hackedhead: nothing has taken over, you choose what you want [18:25] deco: iir, the setup process still has a defalt, yes? [18:25] default* [18:26] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] sup all [18:26] Wheres my oG's @? [18:26] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:26] wtf is an og? [18:26] Don't you mean ogg? [18:26] They should be in ~/Music/ [18:26] no i mean oG [18:27] as in olskool gangstas [18:27] (you are one of them) [18:28] substancev: did u get ur kernel back? [18:28] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] well i'd love to stay and chat, but i have a Samba/CUPS server to start over on my server [18:29] which means i have to switch networks [18:29] :/ which means [18:30] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:31] im gonna cry ='[ his parting was oG = originally Good [18:31] How do you install a package from slackbuilds =P [18:32] Her0: www.slackbuilds.org/howto/ [18:32] Every time i try to run the slackbuild binary i get cannot open: No such file [18:32] Error Not recoverable [18:32] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] better than mine will be example a crash,lockup, unexpected update M$ [18:32] Her0: but if my memory does not decive me, i explicitly told you about sbopkg last time [18:33] I dnt remember that. But i'll check it out now :) [18:33] 1000 lashings ! [18:33] Her0: but you should probably read the howto anyhow [18:33] Her0: so you at least have a clue as to what is going on [18:33] I've already read it on slackbuild =p [18:33] Her0: try understand it this time then;) [18:35] http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-masters-of-lightning-video-html,0,4515599.htmlstory [18:35] Her0: 1) download the tar with the slackbuild and auxilary files 2) unpack it 3) download the sourcode and place in the same directory 4) launch the slackbuild as root [18:35] K, 1 sec [18:35] beatz: yes i deleted the symlink and patched in the previous kernel.. now properly recompiling the kernel [18:36] substancev: are you still at that? :P [18:36] scuzz: very helpful tut.. thanks [18:36] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [18:36] macavity: I know i can do this.. did it once when i was 14... [18:36] ;p [18:37] substancev: i showed you how to use the config files from /boot as a template.. do consider taking the offer [18:37] Ok, must of misread something. Didn't understand i needed the src package too =P. Sometimes i just feel dumb... =P [18:37] or your life could become pretty frustrating :P [18:38] Her0: slow down.. [18:38] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] macavity: Thank you again =P, cmk_zzz: Thanks for the motivation, ;) [18:38] macavity: Ok =( [18:38] Her0: rememeber to never focus on the end result.. just enjoy the the path of a thousand little interesting puzzles [18:39] =) [18:39] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:39] the destination is nothing... the road you travel is everything [18:39] merciful_ (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Action: macavity sounds like a chinese fortune cookie [18:39] LoL [18:40] merciful_ (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Client Quit [18:40] then you must add "in bed" to the end [18:40] macavity: especially as it is often ripped away under your feet whenever you make one tiny little slip [18:40] cmk_zzz: all the more reason to look carefull at it at all times :P [18:40] *carefully [18:41] grammer problem.. which on is right? [18:41] "grammar" is right :) [18:41] Nick change: Meckafet1 -> Meckafett [18:41] spellar problem [18:41] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] mancha: but is it with or without y in the above? [18:42] carefully is correct as it is the adverb modifying the verb "to look". that'll be $5 in monopoly money please. [18:42] if i email them to you can you print them yourself? [18:42] macavity: i did just that! thanks [18:42] carefully [18:43] if it answer "how?" then it is likely an adverb with *-ly [18:43] i came across a wall.. i think im going to put this kernel business to the side and look into the compat-wireless [18:43] i rode the car happily; how did you ride the car? [18:43] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:43] substancev: what exactly card do you have? [18:43] substancev: broadcom 4311? [18:44] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] 4311 has good b43 support if memory serves. [18:44] how come i cant administer CUPS over from a remote location? [18:44] if not, you can always ndiswrapper the windows .inf/.sys you know [18:44] people just need to produce the firmware themselves [18:44] on my servers brower i type localhost:631 and bam, im in the CUPS Scedular [18:44] but yes, b43 works good.. just download fw-cutter from SBo and have a plast [18:45] but on my laptop, connected to the same network, i type 192.168.0.74:631 and i get nothing [18:45] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [18:45] beatzz: Most likely Becasue you haven't configured it remote access [18:45] *for remote access [18:45] damnit, why dont i think of these things. [18:46] beatzz: because you are too much in a hurry [18:46] or you have a firewall enabled which blocks 631 [18:46] allright brb [18:46] beatzz: see my remarks at Her0 above [18:46] i opened port 631 on my router for that machine [18:46] huh? you are on a switched network arent you? [18:46] ? [18:46] as in, your router has a 4 port switch and 1 WAN port? [18:46] yes [18:46] beatzz: we are takling about administrating it from an *internal* network here right? Not from the internet? [18:47] correct cmk_zzz [18:47] beatzz: then you opened from the *internet* to your server... [18:47] macavity: yes, 4 ports, 1 wan [18:47] beatzz: all the machines in the 4 port switch has unrestricted access to eachother [18:47] beatzz: that is called "switched ethernet" [18:47] macavity: ? laptop is connnected to routers wan, server is cabled into same router [18:47] please... read a book on networking [18:48] beatzz: i severly hope the WAN port faces your internet line... [18:48] macavity: thats the one [18:48] ? [18:48] substancev: Broadcom 43xx? [18:48] substancev: then all you need is firmware [18:48] substancev: the wireless-compat package is outdated [18:49] broadcom 43 is the wifi driver i use [18:49] :D [18:49] beatzz: Wide Area Network == Teh Intartubes [18:49] im telling my wireless is bogged down big time [18:49] ok so if 2 machines are connected to the same router, they cannot communicate with eachother without going out into the internet first? [18:49] substancev: have you installed the firmware? [18:49] is that what ur saying? [18:49] beatzz: i give up.. [18:50] it makes no scence, because i can view the webpage on my server just fine from my laptop by entering http://192.168.0.74 [18:50] so how come i cant view the 192.168.0.74:631 [18:50] beatzz: does the WAN port on the router go to the hole in the wall where the magic intarwebs come in? [18:50] what interfaces is cups listening on? [18:50] bleeding|edge (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [18:51] macavity: ok i understand what u mean by WAN port, but that port has nothing in it. [18:51] macavity: my network, the one my SERVER is hooked up to, has no intneret [18:51] O_O [18:51] ah [18:51] macavity: i have not.. wireless was working almost on its own. [18:51] beatzz: Usually the yellow socket .... [18:51] that might have been a good place to start [18:51] correct. [18:52] netstat -ta | grep ipp [18:52] macavity: ill go check on how to install the firmware from the linuxwireless site. [18:52] sory i thought u knew i was useing a neibors wifi [18:52] substancev: lookup fw-cutter on slackbuilds.org [18:52] w/ permision* [18:52] macavity: yup.. i did that.. fw-cutter ... [18:52] so, when i SWITCH networks, to MY network, where my server is cabled into the router [18:52] argh [18:52] i cannot view its 192.168.0.74:631 on my laptop [18:53] i think dude had it right earlyer, maby i need to conf it for remote access [18:53] what subnet is your neighbours wifi AP on? [18:53] 192.168.1.x? [18:53] beatzz, look in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and stop arguing so much [18:53] yes [18:53] what listen lines do you have? [18:53] yes, it is either the listening interface of cups or some setting to allow remote access. But I got confused when you mentioned that you had to open up port 631 on your router, which shouldn't be needed? [18:54] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:54] so your routing table tell 192.168.0.x to go to eth0? [18:54] ..yes..i belive so. [18:54] mancha: i will check, but i gata leave here to do so. [18:54] man cupsd.conf [18:54] Her0 (n=jkemp@174-159-59-136.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:54] i take for granted that he suffers from all imaginable misconceptions and has wired everything wrong [18:55] mk, i will play around w/ it some more, thanks for the leads. [18:55] its gata be conf issue. [18:55] beatzz: if your routing is set up right you dont need to disconnect from wifi [18:55] you need Listen 192.168.0.74:631 or summitz [18:56] as you know by now, if you don't tell it to linux often doesn't which is nice. in windows otoh if you tell it not to it usually does. [18:56] indeed [18:56] exactly [18:57] so beatzz is windows? :P [18:57] eheh..ha..har..hahrahar... [18:57] -_- [18:57] hence you just need "route add 192.168.0.0 eth0" [18:57] then you can talk to your server while being on the intertubes [18:57] negitive ghost rider [18:57] i dont have 2 Cat-5 cables [18:57] and no, we cant get to your server, since you dont have ip forwarding set up on your laptop [18:57] lol [18:58] beatzz: you have GOT to be kidding me?!? [18:58] macavity: i had a bunch in WA, but when i moved here, i got fukxored [18:58] wife only brought 1.. the crapy one.. [18:58] ok, fastlearn how to clone a wifi device [18:59] oh... Broadcom cant :-/ [18:59] ... unless there is some way to connect my neibors wifi network, to my wifi netowrk [18:59] it aint happenin [19:00] if you had had Atheros, Ralink or Intel (maybe even Realtek) you could have connected to two networks at the same time [19:00] now that would be sweet. [19:00] beatzz: wait a seccond... cant you just tell your AP to be a repeater of the neighbours AP? [19:00] can i ? [19:00] RTFM for your wifi router [19:00] o_O [19:01] its a lame ISP router. [19:01] your are coing to be a certified linux dudster, so you should get accuainted to reading shit loads of documentation [19:01] not like a Linksys [19:01] man is your friend [19:02] Action: substancev thinks that sounds gay. [19:02] -_- come on i know man pwntz. [19:02] im not that dumb. [19:02] oh well.. when you have configured cups, please obtain a proper ebook on switched and fast ethernet [19:02] when done, read about IP, then about TCP [19:02] for shizzle [19:03] im gana look into that repeater deal [19:03] that would be TIGHT [19:03] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] beatzz: run a long cat5 :) [19:04] or i could just shell out 40 bucks a month and get service. [19:04] id say flash the router with OpenWRT :P [19:04] OpenWRT? [19:04] macavity: woot.. thats awesome [19:04] Action: substancev throws beatzz a trout. [19:05] slap ya self wit it [19:05] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] i just hacked up a stack of Phonera 2100 the other day [19:05] Action: beatzz lets the poor little fish go back into the lake "Swim trout swim!" [19:05] so i am rather well aqquainted with the procedure of getting obnoxious devices to accept a flashing :P [19:05] openWRT is a firmware that can be installed on end user routers giving functionality of a much more expensive router [19:06] u got any program that will shut up a crying baby? [19:06] beatzz: Yes. It is called Sledgehammer [19:06] lol [19:06] ./sledgehammer [19:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:06] anything fortran will do [19:06] eviljames: Hacksaw 2.0 can do it too.. but it requires a little more perceverance [19:06] beatzz: earplugs worked with my boy. [19:06] Action: macavity cant spell [19:07] well im gana take a look at /etc/cups/cupsd.conf [19:07] and see if theres something in there about remote access [19:07] alice_ (n=alice@89.194.68.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:08] wifes brining beer home in a few minutes, beer > crying baby [19:08] beatzz: cupsd.conf(5) [19:08] word [19:09] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [19:09] btw thanks for showing me wicd-ncurses [19:09] that is bad ass. [19:09] other than that, the compleste manual is available in the browser on your server.. it comes with the cups server itself [19:09] if mplayer could play video a litter clearer, i would go 100% CLI [19:09] beatzz: what graphics chip? [19:09] intel? [19:09] then upgrade kernel and set up KMS [19:10] then you get native laptop screen resolution in the console [19:10] 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [19:10] and a *much* faster framebuffer [19:10] exactly, just like mine [19:10] Linux overload @_@ [19:11] my console runs 1280x800@32bpp [19:11] must, fix, cups [19:11] holy cow [19:11] i used the "safe choice" [19:11] thats the vesafb [19:12] it sucks, doesnt support "modern" aspect ratios/resolutions and is dog slow [19:12] i get fully X11-like crips video in console (though i dont use it.. i just checked that it worked) [19:12] *crisp [19:13]  [19:13] :o [19:13] macavity: What kernel is giving you KMS? [19:13] .31? [19:13] yes [19:13] Allow IP address [19:13] :O in cupsd.conf [19:14] right now its set to only allow localhost [19:14] eviljames: but thrice says that with .32 and latest drm + mesa-7.6 + latest Intel driver everyting is phantastic [19:15] Action: eviljames might have pissed off thrice earlier today [19:15] someone apologize to him for me if they see him before I do [19:15] eviljames: why > [19:15] Action: eviljames outta here for a bit. [19:15] if i know him right he doesnt carry a grudge (for very long) [19:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] irc drama @ its finest [19:16] :D [19:18] julioc (n=Who@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) left irc: "..." [19:19] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:20] icarus_ (n=icarus@79.142.230.109.static.knet.bolignet.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:21] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:21] hey, if i try this, can one of u try to connect to my CUPS server? [19:21] on my laptop [19:22] w/o hackin my poor laptop to pieces? [19:22] nevermind, i will just try it real quick [19:22] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "wish me luck" [19:23] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:23] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [19:24] only port 80 open [19:25] a well, got to go. see ya [19:25] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [19:26] time for class... bbl :) [19:26] how do i set up a host name if i get my ip with dhcp? [19:27] and, if dhcp fails for some reason that hostname remains [19:27] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] netconfig [19:27] go to that linuxisvulnerable room and let one of those idiots do it that way they will suceed at something hahaha [19:28] isn't that the room that lets you log into freenode as root? [19:28] lol [19:28] they even made a distro disc give them guys credit there trying [19:28] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] ive not downloaded it but ive thought about it for shitz and gigglez [19:29] hell i think so gooph [19:29] cteg: edit /etc/HOSTNAME [19:29] hogwash... [19:30] paradroid (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:30] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] |CtrlAltCa| (n=fabio@83.225.128.122) left irc: "byez" [19:30] $gnome [19:31] crashdata: DE fail :P [19:31] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:31] oops wrong syntax [19:31] lolx [19:31] someday i am going in to the junk business like Fred Sanford [19:31] lolz [19:32] macavity: thanks you. already had that in my vim, but was irritated by "# By the way, Arnt Gulbrandsen says that 127.0.0.1 [19:32] # should NEVER be named with the name of the machine. It causes problems" [19:32] in that file ;) [19:32] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:33] okay, time to wind down for the night [19:33] lets talk beer. [19:33] Anyone had a Belgium Stye-Double Ale? [19:34] i used to know an old man that made chalk beer that was strong, one glass full of cold chalk would get you buzzzzed [19:34] black and tan is always good [19:34] A unique brewing process, where after fermintation of the brew, the beer is then poured into their indivual bottols, where, a small ammount of a Belgium strain of yeast is put into every bottol [19:35] hence ferminiting the brew further. [19:35] 7.5% very tasty [19:35] Action: beatzz drinks some down [19:35] aaahhhhh... [19:35] my previous job our system deals with monitoring draft beer. [19:36] cteg: what slackware version are you on? [19:36] with linux? [19:36] no.....windows [19:36] wait, you used linux, to monitor draft beer? [19:36] oh, i was about to say how cool. [19:36] no we used windows.. [19:36] its 13.0 current [19:36] or, current. [19:36] its very easy..process.. [19:37] u know, is windows realy all that bad? [19:37] gurng (n=gurng@e179144215.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:37] odd.. my /etc/HOSTNAME has nothing but the name [19:37] but most off the ppl that u deal with are dumbass... [19:37] has anyone had any experence w/ Windows 03/05/08? [19:37] but it seems to work ok, just tried with freeciv which is picky about /etc/hosts [19:37] i remember the comment from way back [19:37] the server OS's? [19:37] ahh, its in /etc/hosts [19:37] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [19:38] :D macavity do u remember the conversation the other day about routers not allowing wireless hosts to administer the router? [19:38] seems i miss-spelled it, i was googleing for chalk beer and it is spelled "choc beer" named for the choctaw indians [19:38] well for days now i havent been able to mess w/ my neibors router [19:38] but im on !!! [19:38] beatzz: so dont, some do [19:38] oh man yes there is hostname. completely forgotten [19:38] s/mess/administor/ [19:38] i head people call it choc (or chalk what i thought they were saying but never had to spell it [19:39] arrr (n=mrselfpw@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:39] s/head/heard [19:39] Chalk beer, this is interesting [19:39] is it made with actualy chalk? [19:39] actual* [19:39] ScreamerX (n=screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: "Verlassend" [19:39] no, it is made with potassium peroxide [19:40] it is made with grain like any other beer, but i dont think they used hops because hops are not native to the usa [19:40] why not just say sodium penothol? [19:40] ok, k3b makes no sense to me. you can select a data project to be a bluray 25GB. you can add files, and watch the space utilization graph change. You can do pretty much everything except actually burn to a blank bd-r... [19:40] !?!? beer w/o hops? [19:40] because i think potassium peroxide is more interesting :P [19:41] is it as lethal? [19:41] mishehu: what backend tool does k3b call for burning blue ray? [19:41] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] beatzz: I think that hops is a more modern (read: within the past 500 years) addition to beer making techniques. [19:41] macavity: it should be using growisofs. [19:41] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-171-055.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [19:42] macavity: and that's what I see set under setup->programs [19:42] beatzz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_peroxide [19:43] mishehu: ok.. i just wasnt sure if it needed some special utility that might not have entered mainline slackware yet [19:43] it was just a thought.. i know nothing of the matter [19:43] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:43] macavity: yeah, the dvd+rwtools package handles bluray these days [19:44] macavity: what's special about KOH? [19:44] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:44] mishehu: nothing.. i am just messing with beatzz :P [19:44] I don't know what's special about KOH but potassium tri-iodide is much more fun [19:44] but you must use it up within the day [19:45] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [19:45] i prefere the various kinds of organic tri-nitrates ;-) [19:46] pssh [19:46] that substance is lame [19:46] just look at its wiki [19:46] BORING... [19:47] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [19:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography now THERES a wiki [19:47] hey....any of u wana play with my router?? [19:49] packeteer (n=zed@li83-175.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [19:50] beatzz: here you go and it was written by Alan Hicks not alienBob [19:50] beatzz: http://www.lizella.net/networking_101.txt [19:51] x-ip (n=sakura-s@200.117.235.123) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:51] nice [19:51] thanks xsamurai [19:51] :D [19:52] very .txt-ie [19:53] if you get time create a wiki and pass it to Alan but other then that its a great read [19:53] Urchlay, turns out I lied. Extended globs have the power of regular expressions [19:53] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [19:53] but they aren't on by default [19:54] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:55] simplex (n=simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:56] dark_dji1n (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:00] well [20:00] i switched over to the brew known as 1554 [20:00] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:01] a delicious brew, brewed in the fashion of a recipe found in a brewing book in an English library, dating back to 1554. [20:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [20:02] brings a scence of nastagia, when you taste a beer that people once enjoyed in a pub nearly 500 years ago. [20:02] why, you can almost hear the barbarians outside your windows plundering your village. [20:02] dark_djinn (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:02] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:03] haha beatzz were can i buy this brew,my liqour store doesnt have it [20:04] U ever had Fat Tire? [20:04] its by the same brewery, i belive they call themselfs, New Belgium Brewery, based out of Denver CO. [20:05] ive not had much but jack daniels and jose quervo and beer that shouldnt even be called beer [20:05] :x holy shit dude [20:05] ur drinking like..the windows version of wiskey and tequila.. [20:05] firedix (n=firedix@host82.190-230-59.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:05] heh 7 shots a jose quervo 1800+ was enough [20:06] thought i was gonna die [20:06] or did i wish i was dead i dont remember [20:06] u may have thats alot of liquor for a non-alcoholic [20:06] heh true but those days i drunk alot [20:06] well anywaz, let me link you. [20:07] 1800+ gold btw tall shot glasses [20:07] MadDog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pswansen/3296684500/ [20:07] that 12 pack has 4 brews, 3 of each [20:07] each one very delicous, its in my fridge right now. [20:07] premium beer. [20:07] neat [20:08] like...the Slackware of beer. [20:08] if beer were an OS, that 12 pack is slackware 13.0 [20:08] thats the best [20:08] -current [20:08] frimer (i=frimer@szluug.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:08] i wouldent say its the best [20:08] go to a local brewery and try some brews [20:08] thats the best [20:08] but store bought, i have found no better. [20:09] heh now the word the linus torvalds of beer now that would be awesome beer [20:09] The same brewery makes some more brews too [20:09] Hoptober = ***** [20:09] heh [20:09] Skinny Dip is their summer seasonal. [20:10] very good. [20:10] Anywaz... [20:10] aslong as it dont make me go skinny dipping im fine i guess [20:10] scary site please dont picture that [20:11] i bought this beer one time for curiosity it was made by indians [20:11] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:12] oh no.. [20:12] indians... [20:12] they were like 6 bottles [20:12] i drunk 6 bottles [20:12] what was it?? like... 15% Alh/vol? [20:12] i dont remember nothing after that [20:12] dude indians are insane drinkers. [20:12] when i drink i drink the bottles fast [20:12] just chug them [20:13] u might as well have chuged a half gallon of JD [20:13] xsamurai (n=munki@75.85.160.10) left ##slackware. [20:13] them redskins like their booze STRONG [20:13] a case of budweiser well it takes the case to actually do anything [20:13] yea bud sucks. [20:13] yea i found out that the hard way lol [20:13] i like 'designer beers' or micro brewery beers [20:13] about the indians [20:14] ever drank with one? [20:14] funny story, in the town up in WA i was from, lots of indians [20:14] yes but he left before i did he wasnt there when i woke up [20:14] well i took this one, who was a pot dealer, out to the local brewery he had never been to befor. [20:14] by time i got him back to his house [20:14] my ancestory on dads side is cherokee indian [20:15] he literaly, ran inside, and busted out the back door [20:15] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] ran down the street [20:15] literaly, howling at the moon [20:15] greetings and salutations [20:15] sup andarius [20:15] :D [20:15] yea indians do strange things beatz [20:15] beer talk, wana join? [20:15] hello oh great waffle master :-) [20:15] hello andarius [20:15] beatzz: not much, you ? [20:15] salutations macavity and hitest [20:15] just sippin some brew. [20:15] wtf, where did macavity and hitest come from? [20:16] never drink and compute :P [20:16] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:16] beatzz: i was here the whole time :P [20:16] how are you doing andarius? [20:16] beatzz: or are you already that drunk ;-) [20:16] Action: hitest appeared magically [20:16] my wife thinks this is where i go to talk to women behind her back [20:16] Action: beatzz chuckles [20:16] omg beatz you got one of those to [20:16] hitest: I am well, you ? [20:17] beatzz: just show her all you escapades on noobfarm :P [20:17] *your [20:17] heya hitest, how's it going? [20:17] pssh, i better not be on no noobfarm. [20:17] beatzz: oh, you will be. ;) [20:17] I am well, thank you, andarius;) [20:17] i'll change nicks to blacksheep [20:17] :) [20:17] typo gah [20:17] btw is blacksheep available yet? [20:17] how d u check the status of a nick? [20:17] i dont know try it [20:17] ive been waiting for it. [20:18] hiya fire|bird, I'm doing well, ty:) how are you? [20:18] beatzz: just change your nick and try to register it [20:18] panlin (n=vic@114.251.65.1) joined ##slackware. [20:18] beatzz: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1774 [20:18] beatzz: still registered. [20:18] hitest: doing great, thank you. :) [20:18] how to install gnome on slackware? [20:18] -_- [20:19] panlin: there are several attemtps out there [20:19] panlin: google for them, but dont come here whining if they blow up our install [20:19] thank you, macavity! [20:19] fire|bird: how do u check [20:19] ? [20:19] panlin: GSB is pretty good [20:19] i forgot [20:19] ok [20:19] beatzz: /msg nickserv help, read, figure it out. ;) [20:19] u know i dont rtfm... [20:19] ;) [20:20] hehe at noobfarm everyone has to learn somewhere [20:20] or /msg nickserv register passwordhere emailhere [20:20] make sure you use a real email [20:20] MadDog: you can't do that when I nick is registered already. [20:20] freenode will email you and they actually tell you the command [20:20] haha [20:21] beatzz: well, it's time to start. :) [20:21] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:21] gtludwig (n=gtludwig@189.114.201.29.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:21] so you just beat the other person off the nick and make they type /msg nickserv drop [20:21] hello all [20:21] ello not all [20:21] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:21] u guys [20:21] i might actualy get my TURE user name on here [20:22] which you might find more appropriate [20:22] TURE ? [20:22] as in the one ive used sine 99 on almost everything [20:22] you meant true right [20:22] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) joined ##slackware. [20:22] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] u guys?? http://67.191.170.126:34224/~andarius/images/srsly-u-guys.jpg [20:23] lol at that picture [20:23] andarius: lame. [20:23] cat pictures = lame [20:23] yes, yes you are :P [20:23] i thought it was cute [20:24] now if i could get my leopard gecko's to strike a poze id have it made [20:24] Nick change: beatzz -> blacksheep [20:24] oh they need to eat brb [20:25] Nick change: dark_dji1n -> dark_djinn [20:26] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:27] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] Nick change: blacksheep -> beatzz [20:28] Nick change: beatzz -> blacksheep [20:28] hi has anyone here had problem with their download on firefox? firefox somehow wont let me save my download [20:28] i've reinstall firefox, revert to old version. removed profile, rename profile. [20:29] nothing works [20:29] crashdata: nope all is good [20:29] panlin (n=vic@114.251.65.1) left ##slackware ("‚»"). [20:29] GODAttach (n=GODAttac@unaffiliated/godattach) left irc: [20:29] dude wtf.. [20:29] i want this nick [20:29] it was working before.. [20:29] crashdata: Edit->Prefere...->Main[ Downloads () Ask we where to save ] [20:29] they have passed their experiation date. [20:29] its mine now [20:30] blacksheep: you need to ask in #staff to have it released [20:30] blacksheep: you know, proper protocol and everything [20:30] crashdata: s/we/me/ [20:31] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:31] init it worked... [20:31] thanks [20:31] crashdata: thats why i'm here for ;) i'm init[1] btw :D [20:31] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:31] i wonder y i dont have rights to save on my Download folder nmore [20:31] now you can go ba ba blacksheep [20:32] SWEET [20:32] crashdata: ls -ld ~/Download ? [20:32] its mine now!!!! [20:32] the sheep lives again!!! [20:32] blacksheep: they released it? [20:32] its own by root now... [20:32] whaaatt...how can that be? [20:33] macavity: no, but nickserv said i owned it now. [20:33] Action: init[1] time to slaugter sheeps [20:33] pwntz [20:33] sucked to be you previous owner of blacksheep [20:33] crashdata: chown -R crashdata:users /home/crashdata/Download [20:33] hes gana try and log on, comeing back from rehab or something [20:34] and be like, damn i got pwntzed [20:34] thanks mac [20:34] well all, time to chill w/ the wife [20:34] good night [20:34] :D [20:34] blacksheep (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "peace bros" [20:35] heh [20:35] heh indeed [20:36] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [20:36] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the OP" [20:37] hey guys check out www.cchronicles.com (computer Chronicles) [20:37] wtf is beatz on about he will think nothing because he probably got a life and got off IRC or is the whitesheep now [20:38] that show since the 80s....pretty cool stuff.... www.cchronicles.com [20:38] crashdata: stop spamming [20:39] its not spam btw, just wanting to share.. [20:39] thanks crashdata thats usefull [20:39] gurng (n=gurng@e179144215.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [20:39] btw thanks for the share [20:40] i thought so to...check out the video y linux didnt made it as a desktop o/s [20:40] cool stuff :) [20:40] crashdata: /join ##slackofftopic :) [20:40] ahhhh lolz [20:40] init[1]: shuddap!!! [20:40] deco: ;) [20:40] are them the full episodes? i havnt clicked one yet [20:40] init[1]: :P [20:40] yup full episodes [20:41] Spanska (n=bleh@c75.152.39-103.clta.globetrotter.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] i remember watching that show will bring back memorys for sure since i lived then [20:41] and worked with all those os's [20:41] Is there any way to know what package 'ldd' is part of? I'm trying to find it's source code [20:41] i was a baby then in the 80s but its cool how o/s evovled so fast [20:41] wtf? [20:42] ?? [20:42] yea when programming actually involved alot of math but they just sucked all the fun out of that over the years [20:43] so u've programmed pdp11 those types of system? [20:44] people have to use calculators to do there algebra these days in college why in the world do you need a calculator [20:44] im not proving how big my e-penis is nor care to so have fun asking that question to someone who cares [20:44] Spanska: grep -H ldd /var/log/packages/* ? [20:45] lolz... [20:45] i totally agree about the calc thing.... [20:45] init[1], thanks [20:45] Spanska: np :) [20:45] heh ive done alot over my life the hard way because thats truelly the only way of knowing how to do something the proper way [20:46] but arue if you must lord knows everyone will [20:46] you know, rudimentary knowledge of intermediate calculus and trig will produce more accurate results than a calculator [20:47] what is the most fun is doing this math problem and proving the calculator wrong in front of 6 or more teachers [20:47] MadDog: agreed...done that a few times [20:47] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:47] and them not marking you question wrong [20:48] the last time i did that, the instructor: "why didn't you clep out of this course?" [20:48] i used to know my math really well untill my illness showed up and screwed my thought process up [20:49] MadDog: it wasn't my illness that screwed up my thought process...it was the treatment [20:49] reminds me of beautiful mind the movie [20:49] i have a illness people dont understand and will deem me instant crazy if i said what it was [20:49] gotta stop taking those pills :P [20:49] ever seen that movie? [20:49] oh i dont take pills only injections [20:49] gave to me by a nurse [20:50] MadDog: many don't understand... [20:50] and it hurts [20:50] i know my wife is going to college to become a RN [20:50] she is learning alot about the illness in general [20:50] MadDog: i couldn't deal much with the injections [20:50] maddog whats ur profession? [20:50] and all she can say is im sorry so sorry [20:51] my illness killed my profession [20:51] so its not worth the mention [20:51] but i do have a few degree's [20:51] but there just paper [20:51] iknow what u mena [20:51] thats all a degree is if you dont apply it [20:52] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [20:52] i look at the degrees and what my illness has caused it just depresses me [20:53] so i will not mention the degree's there not worth the mention i didnt learn 99 percent of what i know by a university [20:53] it was self taught and excuse my grammar [20:54] i would like to become stable enough to do something again but at this time i cant think [20:54] a family friend didnt know exactly what went wrong but after she graduated from university...she had a break down [20:54] since then she wasn't " normal" [20:55] ive been told breakdowns are a form of a sevier anxiety attack and depression thats what the shrink said [20:55] severe [20:55] i have schitozophrenia ill let it out go ahead call me crazy several have im used to it [20:56] i have forgot so much stuff [20:56] but most of all i about lost my marriage [20:56] hopefully u'll get better.... [20:56] i hope [20:57] it gets worse with age im afraid [20:57] thats what i been told [20:57] yes i know and im only getting older [20:57] MadDog: I hope you're medication is helping you deal with your illness. that is a serious illness indeed. a childhood friend of mine developed schizophrenia, she suffer greatly. hang in there, man! [20:58] but they invented a new shot once a month and they just approved it [20:58] i was getting injections once a week before [20:58] same a family friend from church...developed one as well....don't know what happened to her. [20:58] well they said mine was stress related [20:58] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:59] i take 20 mg of zyprexa a day [20:59] well what caused it [20:59] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [20:59] i dont even know the mg of the shot but its at the highest they can give me [20:59] yeah im at a high dose myself [20:59] seems to help [20:59] keeps the brain from racing [21:00] i take 400mg of effexor a day 3 valium 10s a day and some other crazy pill [21:00] oh gawd those images flashing [21:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] wow i used to take effexor xr 75 a day...i felt like a zombie [21:00] also clonazapan... [21:01] i remember my seroquel days [21:01] what i did to get off of it..i join a boxing gym [21:01] 'they had me up to 1000mg [21:01] just to shut me up basically [21:01] well schizophrenia doesnt work like that [21:01] or id run around my house a million times [21:01] :P [21:02] i walk track when i can stand to be in public [21:02] when i started college i developed an agoraphobia... [21:02] cause of stress and I wasnt taking care of my body.. [21:02] yea the brain is weird and complex [21:02] MadDog: maybe you should try Tequila [21:02] but i'm okay now..but still get nervous sometimes around crowd.... [21:03] lol [21:03] or small group of ppl... [21:03] beleive it or not the booze elps [21:03] helps* [21:03] haha danc3 actually tequilla can give you a effect like schizohrenia [21:03] hahha [21:03] MadDog: but it cures "shyness" in public! [21:03] the effect were you think everyone is shaking there heads really fast at you [21:03] im in no way shy [21:04] Action: deco is as why as a wabbi [21:04] t [21:04] lolz..once in college a lady would take a small sip on those hotel size liquor bottle every few seconds [21:04] shy* [21:04] i just cant stand people [21:04] during her presentation [21:04] and im in fear of the thoughts in my mind at the time im around people [21:04] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] but my meds have that under control [21:05] im just scared those thoughts will come again and it scares the shit out of me [21:05] hba (n=hba@189.188.112.89) joined ##slackware. [21:06] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:2f) joined ##slackware. [21:06] MadDog: upgrade your kernel, it will help you stabalize [21:06] w0ot [21:06] hahaha [21:06] lmfao [21:06] yea im on windows atm good idea instead of windows 7 ill call it vista with sp3 [21:07] smokeybandit (n=smokey@205.178.8.14) joined ##slackware. [21:07] gerrh^^ (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [21:07] Action: hitest recognizes that Slackware is the one thing in his life that never effs up:) [21:07] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:08] or better yet smash my tv when i see another commercial saying windows 7 is totally diffrent its just a cleaned up version of vista with a pretty taskbar [21:08] still a failure in itself [21:08] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:09] when game developers go wild for developing games for linux it will be the happiest day of my life but microshaft is a manopoly that needs to be took down [21:10] maybe google can overpower them there allready worth over half what microshaft is worth [21:11] MadDog: well, M$ will be here for the foreseeable future they're not going anywhere. I don't worry about them, I don't use their products very much. [21:11] gotta go eat ttyl maddog [21:12] well the only reason im on microshaft is because of my kids and there games and my son plays multiplayer games online with his friends [21:12] laterz crashdata [21:12] eat good [21:12] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:2f) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:13] but im the biggest linux nut youll ever meet and i tend to convert others as linux nuts to [21:14] Kamel (n=1@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving." [21:14] i will figure out how to get around this activation bootloader and dualboot but im out of valium right now so now is not the time [21:14] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:15] or just put a modified slic in my bios and do it right and screw the bootloader [21:16] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [21:17] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:18] ive updated my bios several times but never really dug into it, might actually be something that ill enjoy but if you screw up and flash your bios and youve screwed something it could be costly [21:18] Nick change: gerrh^^ -> gerrh [21:21] hey i heard the 'i only use windows cause of my kids' story some hours ago. give it a rest. [21:21] so the bootloader is the safer bet as of now [21:22] like a cd in loop mode here [21:22] mancha its totally the truth because i dont play useless games [21:22] it might be the truth, doesn't mean we wanna hear it ever 2 hours [21:22] *every [21:23] so hearing someone saying they have firefox and they cant download is even better lol [21:24] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [21:25] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:26] heh im not even talking about my kids right now,but i can say my 8 year old son knows more command line than most people in here [21:27] x-ip (n=sakura-s@200.117.217.80) joined ##slackware. [21:27] put that on noobfarm classic quote there [21:28] anc actually very true and quiet funny [21:28] constantly repeat yourself, insult the channel en masse...are you reading out of the "101 ways to piss off a channel" ? [21:28] and [21:28] im not insulting noone [21:29] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:29] are you questioning the intelligence of a 8 year old [21:29] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:29] he has suprised me to say the least [21:29] i believe intelligence is primarily genetic, so unless you tell me he's adopted i'm not buying the boy genius routine [21:29] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:30] I was just in a sandwich shop and my total came out to be 6.66 and the guy didn't even want to my total. So I told me I wanted the receipt and that freaked him out even more. [21:30] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:30] oh mancha hes not adopted [21:30] want to say* [21:30] his daddy just has showed him to do a few things [21:31] haha antwire [21:31] guess you cant get a return [21:31] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [21:31] I just laughed and he goes " no really you don't really want the receipt right?" [21:32] hell yes I wanted it. [21:32] lol [21:32] yea frame that sucker [21:32] you should have spooked him and said, "The devil paid for this sandwich" [21:32] lol [21:32] yea that would work to [21:32] has it been a devil'd egg sandwich we'd be talkin' [21:33] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-62-163.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] heya MLanden, how are you? [21:33] heya,folks [21:33] what kinda sammich was it btw ? [21:33] goin' great thanks fire|bird....how 'bout yourself? [21:34] because you made me very hungry [21:34] I'm going ot go back and order the same combination of stuff again and again now too [21:34] MLanden: great, thank you. [21:34] brb [21:37] antiwire that will only make you fat but it is the devils food and according to people who believe in that crazy stuff they will blame it on that [21:37] fire|bird: good t'hear...:D [21:38] hmmmm....devils food with lots of frosting...:P [21:38] temptation the power of natas [21:39] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [21:39] it wasnt because of the food you consummed it was because the reciept total and you keep doing it [21:40] what kinda sammich was it ? [21:40] Spanska (n=bleh@c75.152.39-103.clta.globetrotter.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:41] ivan__ (n=ivan@208.84.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [21:42] so how much does an email wiretap costs these days? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/wiretap-prices [21:42] haha i wonder if the person who knows how to scan ports has stopped yet [21:43] mancha: depends on who much physical access you can social engineer ;) [21:43] Oh I mean...uhh [21:43] who/how [21:43] Camarade1Tux (n=adrien@adsl.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:47] >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Langue/0019.gif [21:47] :p [21:47] haha reverse engineer [21:48] gtludwig (n=gtludwig@189.114.201.29.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:49] Action: hitest is updating his slack boxes:) [21:49] antiwire if they paid that much then i must be important im calling isp now and asking them if im tapped [21:49] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:49] seems Kayttt2000's off her meds again [21:50] hitest: 13'ing the boxes? [21:50] just running slackpkg, there's new updates for 13 and for -current [21:51] how is 13 btw? [21:51] don't ask, just haystack them [21:51] MadDog: great :) [21:51] =] [21:51] MadDog: love it [21:51] good [21:52] slackware has come along ways over the years [21:52] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [21:53] i was reading something about slaptget or did someone tell me about it hows that project going [21:53] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:53] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [21:54] I prefer slackpkg [21:55] oh this was supposed to be like apt-get ubuntu's crap i was just curious heh [21:55] slackpkg is part of the official package set. [21:55] slapt-get is not supported here [21:56] its been some time [21:56] i heard it was unsafe [21:57] well slapt-get [21:58] gentoo has done some interesting things aswell [21:58] brb [22:00] fedora is scaring me about how serious they take security wish the signed package bs [22:00] with* [22:02] im gonna read now and get myself sleepy i love to read sometimes ive found a new love in ebooks, i used to think paperback was the only way to go but ebooks are neat to [22:03] MadDog: using a handheld for your ebooks? [22:03] naw just a huge monitor heh [22:04] MadDog: that'll work too....:P [22:04] yea i can actually see the letters [22:05] but a handheld is in my future purchase [22:05] whats the best one so far [22:05] madDog: how much do ebooks cost? I've never tried them. [22:06] haha depends who you are i guess [22:06] ? [22:06] well theres diffrent ways to come by them [22:06] Action: deco gets em free [22:06] theres free ones [22:07] theres even ones that expire [22:07] interesting [22:07] after so long [22:07] my wife's university has a ebook library [22:07] some neat reads there [22:08] but you can find them free its not hard since a ebook is just a .pdf file [22:08] MIT has opencourseware [22:08] neat [22:09] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [22:09] i dont feel bad about downloading my ebooks since i cant mass produce them and sale them [22:09] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:10] MadDog: thanks, I'll do some checking on this, sounds worthwhile to me. [22:10] Never thought I'd say this, but I *love* the kindle reader on my iphone. The books are expensive, but they're always with me. And getting used to reading novels on the iphone was easier than I thought. [22:10] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:10] haha SpacePlod [22:10] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@adsl-99-20-198-250.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] well theres a reason i read them on the pc because i get them free [22:11] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] but im insearch of a portable that i can put these ebooks on that it doesnt care about drm bs [22:12] i dont need my portable to connect to the internet [22:12] theres no reason for it to [22:12] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:12] i just want it to do one thing thats open the .pdf [22:13] the older ipaq's are good for tinkering with [22:13] ive got my eyes on one that uses a sd card [22:14] MLanden: I've bricked many an ipaq... [22:14] since ebooks are small and sd cards are cheap might be a good investment [22:14] and my pc has a media reader so exchanging ebooks would be a piece of cake [22:15] Action: hiptobecubic wants an n900 [22:15] i dont even know the brand of this ebook reader just looked at the box in the store [22:16] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [22:16] even though im the money source my wife has to let me have it i feel like a damn child [22:17] but thats a good thing because id buy alot of electronics just to see what they are like and never get rid of them, my house would turn into a cluttered mess [22:18] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:20] i remember when i got rid of my intel 66mhz computer it actually depressed me for days almost like losing a child [22:20] haha anyone got linux on a floppy still ? [22:21] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) left irc: "Leaving" [22:21] MadDog: i was a baby during the floppy days :P [22:21] haha deco [22:21] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Client Quit [22:22] lol.....yeah,MadDog...got a few here [22:22] the kernel used to be very small [22:22] haha have you looked at the code [22:22] get a kernel today and compare them [22:23] x-ip_ (n=sakura-s@host124.201-252-211.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:24] back in my day, judging software based on floppy disk footprint actually meant something... [22:24] oh yeah... it's 2009 now [22:24] lol [22:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:24] substancev_ (n=substanc@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] whats bad is actually seeing one fit on a floppy [22:25] followed that tutorial for compiling kernel from source and it errored on make gzImage install or something like that [22:26] 'or something like that'. love those kind of reports [22:26] if noone in here has done it im sure a few in here has no need to but google linuxfromscratch [22:26] 'it errored' [22:26] well it happened 2-3 hours ao [22:26] ago [22:27] im all bummed [22:27] MadDog: yeah some people have actually completed that project [22:27] ill try again later [22:27] in here [22:27] substancev_: so you came here to share your feelings, or find a solution to a problem? [22:27] cool [22:27] MadDog: it's a very long process :P [22:27] either one is fine, as long as we know what to expect :) [22:27] teaches alot to [22:27] ananke: came in here to hang out while my download finishes and i can watch a missed episode of Sons of Anarchy [22:27] MadDog: yeah i might do it when i get a better computer [22:28] and to whine... [22:28] Action: substancev_ whines [22:28] waaaaa [22:28] snkcld (n=snkcld@64.134.150.39) joined ##slackware. [22:28] do it in virtualbox [22:28] MadDog: no the problem is compiling ... [22:28] oh [22:28] how dated is your computer ? [22:28] MadDog: 2001, 1.6ghz singe core [22:28] laptop [22:29] how much ram ? [22:29] MadDog: 1.2GB [22:29] Are there problems with some of the Slack64 13 kernel models? my firewire doesn't want to load.. [22:29] well it would be slow but you could do it [22:29] FATAL: Error inserting ieee1394 (/lib/modules/2.6.29.6/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ieee1394.ko): Invalid argument [22:29] MadDog: yeah it's possible but being slow means i won't be able to use my laptop for hours and it's the only machine i have available [22:29] thats actually not a bad laptop [22:29] Wescotte: how are you loading it? [22:30] yea true [22:30] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:30] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:30] im just using a dual core [22:30] ananke: I did a modprobe ieee1394 because my portable drive never detects when I plug it in.. [22:30] cool [22:30] ananke: and then I got that error.. [22:30] Wescotte: did you check dmesg? [22:30] 300 at tigerdirect 2 and a half years ago [22:30] MadDog: i wanna get the intel core2 dual extreme [22:31] duo* [22:31] ananke: yeah dmesg has some errors as wel.. [22:31] yea thats a nice rig [22:31] ananke: do you know anything about wireless in slackware.. im doing less then half the speed i did in ubuntu and in windows 7... I think i need to update my kernel... wish they has a 2.6.31 package... [22:31] i only go amd now but intel is kicking arse [22:31] MadDog: yeah [22:32] substancev_: not anymore. last time i used wifi with slackware was two years ago [22:32] ooo. brb... found a new tut [22:32] thanks ananke ... im going to try this.. [22:32] my amd athlon x2 4600 2.4ghz dual core with 2gb ddr2 ram does all i need it to do [22:32] ananke: http://pastebin.ca/1699554 [22:33] and when i bought it 300 was a steal [22:33] hehe nice [22:33] a tigerdirect refurbished pc [22:34] ive not had one problem out of it [22:34] but i keep the fans clean and heatsink clean and redo the thermal paste at certain intervals [22:34] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:34] its running at 22c the hottest core [22:35] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:35] i watch the temp i remember in linux id constantly type sensors in terminal [22:35] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:36] substancev: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/miW6Qs75.html [22:36] I made that as a guide for people who want to build a kernel and not screw up the stock kernel or modules at all. [22:36] my wife even has the habit now of all things [22:37] x-ip (n=sakura-s@200.117.217.80) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:38] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:38] my wife uses linux now btw her pc is dated but she has a new laptop on the way as we speak [22:39] should be here in a couple days if ups doesnt fail [22:40] i want a netbook but with one with atleast a 160gb hdd [22:41] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:42] i love streaming music all over the house with mpd its fun [22:42] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:44] i miss my irssi i could close the terminal and forget about it and it would continue running [22:44] screen [22:44] MadDog: screen(1) [22:44] heh yea [22:45] screen -dr after you close out terminal [22:46] thats if you typed screen first in terminal alot of people have a hard time learning that [22:46] i prefer -x $screen-session [22:46] then type irssi [22:46] everyone has there ways [22:46] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:46] alias irc='screen -AadRRS irssi irssi' <-- cause I am lazy :) [22:47] i prefer the the method that requires the less typing [22:47] in that case: I win. \o/ [22:47] because im old and lazy [22:48] oh i could make it complicated which id only do that to be evil with wife spying on my irssi [22:49] yes, don't want the wife to see you're talking in ##slackware ;) [22:49] but i dont care [22:49] women allways think of chatrooms as cyber rooms [22:50] generalise much? [22:50] when they get older it only gets worse [22:50] no they get insecure about there looks and if your still attracted to them yada yada yada [22:51] and when you tell them you didnt marry them for there looks but for who they are a woman just cant understand that [22:52] this is a cycle ive been told [22:53] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [22:53] i could tell my wife she is a milf and she still dont believe me i mean a 100 times and still no go [22:53] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:54] maybe i should get off the pc maybe thats the problem i need to pay her attention but shes so busy with the university study [22:54] acidtripper1 (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [22:54] TIC_PP (n=TIC@203.144.85.85) joined ##slackware. [22:54] she made me proud she done a speach on F.O.S.S. and the benifits of it and why everyone should use it [22:55] uva_ (i=bno@220-136-225-146.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] MadDog: are you the real maddog? .P [22:55] she got a A [22:55] well actually my son gave me this name today [22:56] ahh i thought you were Jon "maddog" hall [22:56] i was like hay ill use it [22:56] linux international president. [22:56] someone evidentally liked my old name and used it [22:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [22:57] haha your tripping on acid ? [22:57] haha what about the linux foundation ? [22:57] no. [22:58] MadDog: what about the linux foundation? [22:58] hell i dont know [22:58] who works there [22:58] acidtripper1 (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left ##slackware. [22:58] maddog ? [22:58] Why is my unicode so fucked up. It's annoying as hell [22:59] Someone type something above ascii 128 [22:59] anything [22:59] acidtripper1 (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [22:59] acidtripper1 (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left ##slackware. [22:59] haha now im giving the maddog justice [22:59] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:59] ???? [22:59] the acid took him out [22:59] acidtripper1 (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [23:00] welcome back [23:00] Nick change: acidtripper1 -> acidtripper [23:00] è <--- does that look like e + ` to everyone? [23:00] no, it looks like A+~ [23:00] haha thats a crazy question [23:00] dark_djinn, well damnit. [23:00] just ask someone to screenshot it for you youll get diffrent answers [23:01] MadDog, 'yes' or 'no' is good enough here. [23:01] it looks like a ? [23:01] :P [23:01] well let me use my alt keys [23:01] I don't know how to fix it but it bothers me to no end [23:02] haha hiptobecubic [23:02] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [23:02] éé [23:03] i see a e that looks like a eyebrow on top of it im to dumb to tell you the alt combination [23:03] MadDog, an eyebrow? you mean ' ? [23:03] yes [23:03] Interesting. [23:03] ) è <-- looks like that ;) [23:03] You must not be using unicode either [23:03] and the first one was the other direction [23:04] BP{k}, do you know how to get things into unicode? Just changing locale not only didn't do it, but broke pkgtool [23:04] what client are you using ? [23:04] irssi here [23:04] xchat here [23:04] hiptobecubic: same here...an e with an acute... é...xchat [23:04] xchat has a ascilli map or however you spell it [23:05] hiptobecubic: what does echo $LANG tell you? [23:05] xchat [23:05] he said "cute" :| [23:05] BP{k}, en_US en_US results in garbled pkgtool among other things [23:05] andarius: alright...an eyebrow...:P [23:05] en_US.utf8 i mean [23:05] lol [23:05] hiptobecubic: did you log out and back in after doing so? [23:06] BP{k}, rebooted even. [23:06] i have just configured pidgin to log in to slackware channel on freenode [23:06] good night all, calling it a day [23:06] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Client Quit [23:06] hitest: night. [23:06] night,hitest [23:06] goodnight hitest [23:06] haha hiptobecubic [23:06] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [23:06] night BP{k}, MLanden, MadDog:) [23:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:07] aaaááá [23:07] sleep well [23:07] BP{k}: what does that look like? [23:07] 3 normal a's and 3 with right eyebrows [23:07] substancev_ (n=substanc@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:08] MadDog, you can see that too? I see three a's followed by three of (A~ and an upside-down !) [23:08] i could tell you the alt keys you would have to hit to do that but im tired and actually lost interest in remembering them [23:08] Action: andarius notes you having unicode does not mean others on irc will see it... [23:09] andarius, others using unicode will, which are most of the people i want to talk to anyway [23:09] true it only works if they to have it [23:09] its like fonts well it is fonts [23:09] andarius, and further, i can't see theirs [23:09] it's terribly annoying [23:09] i can go to dafont and dl a custom font but you wont see it [23:09] was just noting that [23:09] hiptobecubic: here same [23:09] using es_AR.utf8 [23:09] duly noted [23:10] but since i sometimes use gimp and do graphic design the font has a purpose [23:10] acidtripper, same what? pkgtool is borked or everyone's accents are borked [23:10] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Client Quit [23:10] are you seeing these letters when you install a package in terminal ? [23:11] mm.. i don't know really what's the problem with that letters? [23:11] i mean when you compile something [23:11] acidtripper, what? [23:11] or is it just xchat ? [23:11] what's the problem with lthat letter [23:12] uva (i=bno@220-136-225-146.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:12] snkcld (n=snkcld@64.134.150.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:12] brb [23:12] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-62-163.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [23:13] i havnt used xchat in a hell of along time but theres a simple setting that will correct that if its just xchat [23:13] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left ##slackware. [23:13] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [23:13] now if its in your terminal when you compile a package then that could be something totally diffrent [23:13] MadDog, no it's not just xchat. It's everywhere [23:13] But I'll have to deal with it another time [23:13] hmm [23:14] mm im going to steal some pizza to my bro and to see a film [23:14] ncurses hosed perhaps due to font issues [23:14] goodnight guys! [23:14] what about the girls? [23:15] hiptobecubic im sure if you dig deep youll figure it out google can even help but what andarius said makes sense [23:15] Action: andarius has read the terminal font must be changed to a unicode compliant font [23:15] andarius: are you girl? [23:15] acidtripper: maybe, maybe no [23:15] haha andarius [23:16] Action: andarius isnt telling [23:16] andarius, that makes sense..... [23:16] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:16] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.148) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:16] Action: BP{k} uses UTF8 only for users, root is non utf [23:16] my question is how did it screw up in the first place [23:17] hiptobecubic: http://vcn.bc.ca/~dugan/slackware-fonts/index.html [23:17] andarius, oh marvelous. thanks [23:17] note sure if it works, as my desktop is not slackware and I have yet to bother with unicode on it [23:17] MadDog: pom(6) [23:17] hiptobecubic: yw [23:17] Garak (i=garak@142.68.135.176) joined ##slackware. [23:17] heh BP{k} [23:17] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.148) joined ##slackware. [23:18] MadDog: if the fonts are hosed in a terminal ncurses can not display things properly as it depends on proper font rendering [23:18] pron kills everything ever watch it in hd i recommend you not to [23:18] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-62-163.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] yes thats true [23:18] Action: andarius has seen porn on everything from aaxine to HD :o [23:18] ugh rxvtunicode..... [23:18] theres so much detail in hd that pron fails on hd [23:19] andarius i seen something that scared me [23:19] kukukkk (n=dvorak@188.24.65.214) joined ##slackware. [23:19] and since then i will never watch pr0n on hd [23:19] mind taking it to the offtopic channel? [23:19] mancha im not saying what it is geez [23:20] ive heard theres a racist person in there is that true ? [23:20] Hi slacks. Sorry to disturb the flow here: did something stupid. May I ask a KDE4 question? [23:21] TIC, anythign to steer this away from pr0n habits is welcome, ask. [23:21] Upgraded fresh 13/64 with kde4.2 to 'current' & kde4.3; now, I don't have a single menu button, arrow, icon anything on desktop, dolphin, konqueror. [23:21] haha mancha thank moses i dont have a pr0n habit [23:22] TIC_PP this has a known solution, but i forget it, i am sure others will know (i am not a KDE user) [23:22] TIC_PP: ls -l /var/log/packages/oxygen* [23:23] cannot access /var/log/packages/oxygen*: No such file or directory ... [23:23] sQuEE (n=narya@host80.201-252-49.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:23] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:23] mmm andarius..? shemale? hermaphrodite :P [23:23] TIC_PP: try removing .kde config files [23:23] from home [23:23] or try doing install-new [23:23] on slackpkg or from where you upgraded to current [23:24] acidtripper: I refuse to disclose details :P [23:24] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65213a5.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [23:24] andarius: photos :P [23:24] acidtripper i also refuse to disclose details on the scare of life [23:24] done that, rebooted, tried both KDE4 and Enlightenment. Fail. [23:24] acidtripper: please do not give crap advice. [23:24] icons? or what is failing? [23:24] TIC_PP: next time you upgrade to -current, be so kind to actually read the instructions. [23:25] acidtripper: denied! [23:25] Y Yes, I know 'current' is not meant for stability :D - kde4.2 felt sluggish under load (with nfs in particular). [23:25] but, there are no dramatic changes that need to do manual changed BP{k} [23:25] acidtripper: uhm.... [23:25] uh oh [23:25] Since it was a fresh install, I accpeted the New config files to overwrite the Old ones. [23:26] ah that was it, oxygen [23:26] acidtripper: kde/oxygen-icons-4.3.2-x86_64-1.txz: Added. [23:26] TIC_PP: ahh on. [23:26] yes, so he have to do install-new [23:26] TIC, follow bpk [23:26] acidtripper: and How the bloody fuck is that not a critical change .. you ninny. [23:26] after upgrading [23:26] and oxygen-icons will be installed, had same problem when upgrading to current [23:27] thanks, I'll try re-install : there is nothing to install in install-new [23:27] try searcing oxygen icons [23:27] just dl the package from your favorite mirror and installpkg it [23:27] manually [23:27] psyber (n=psyber@pool-71-240-140-215.hrbgpa.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] searching* [23:27] yep, it's not on my disks... Slackbuilds.org I guess? [23:27] . no. [23:28] no, slackware-current [23:28] TIC_PP: #ubuntun is that away =====> [23:28] clearly you aren't fit to run slackware-current. [23:28] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.28.9) joined ##slackware. [23:28] omg why would someone say that help the lad [23:29] 234 56-.m nh [23:29] ubuntu ftw [23:29] TIC, slackware.com has a list of mirrors, go to one and enter slackware-current and look for the oxygen .txz in the kde folder [23:29] some one may say that because -current is a development release and requires knowledge of how things work [23:29] MadDog: because I can? Because I simply build that someone who runs -current should not need to be asking these questions. [23:29] s/build/believe/ [23:29] You are probably right... "Looking for oxygen-icons-4.3.2-x86_64-1.txz in package list. Please wait... DONE No packages match the pattern for install" [23:29] people ask questions its how they learn they make mistakes and overcome them it is also how they learn [23:30] BP{k}: careful...i got called a troll for something like that [23:30] try this slackpkg search oxygen | less [23:30] www.slackware.com, go to mirrors and then surf to find on slackware-current dir the package you wanna download [23:30] strangely enough -current doesn't have KDE-4.3.2 [23:30] the benefit of making *-current is so that knowledgable users can provide feedback to the core dev team...no one benefits when the n00b runs -current [23:31] 4.3.3 [23:31] benefit of making it public, that is [23:31] but 1 month ago had 4.3.2 [23:31] more or less :P [23:31] id doesnt matter linux is versile you can put and desktop manager that you dream up on it [23:31] any [23:31] it is not limited is why linux is special [23:31] acidtripper: ... yes and slackpkg searches against the *ACTUAL* mirror .. not against "what was there a month ago" [23:31] well, i have some bugs to comment about slackware-current [23:32] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:32] BP{k}: yes if he updated it [23:32] acidtripper: which he should do if he runs -current. [23:32] omg did you even see how many bugs that were reported from kde [23:32] related to amarok and how some songs are not played on it, maybe is a phonon bug [23:32] my money is on pebkac [23:32] Oh wait, there is my idea of how thing work again. [23:33] id10t errors ? [23:33] mancha: sorry, I can't take that bet. ;) [23:33] haha acidtripper are some of your songs maybe in diffrent format ? [23:33] i'll give you 2:1 odds [23:33] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:33] no, are all on mp3, and other players as xmms, rythmbox, etc. plays them [23:34] haha [23:34] It's a trap. This is where he offers to email us mp3s [23:34] amarok and juk and other which depend on phonon doesn't play it [23:34] amarok itself has changed alot i used to adore it but i avoid it like the plague [23:35] Thanks for the advice... I needed/found oxygen-icons-4.3.3-x86_64-1.txz. I was expecting some bashing anyway, that's ok. [23:35] you can call me crazy and other things but i like audacious if i wasnt using MPD instead [23:35] yes, i think i'll install audacious and use it, couse i wanna hear all my music not what amarok or phonon or whatever want to make me listen :( [23:35] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.148) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] lol acidtripper we said audacious at the same time [23:36] I have been using songbird its actually pretty nice [23:36] hcfd (n=fed@host217-43-148-96.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:36] yes, i was writing at same time you posted [23:36] it was a disaster at the beginning songbird im sure its better now [23:36] now its more like itunes but with more plugins [23:37] neat [23:37] Action: andarius hates itunes :( [23:37] i like kinda jukebox [23:37] i hate itunes to but there bringing something interesting to linux songbird [23:37] I'm watching Alien2 [23:37] as rhytmbox,etc. not glossy functional [23:37] I dont know i will say apple does make some nice hardware and do make unix more user friendly and easy to use [23:38] acidtripper had just installed audacious [23:38] haha acidtripper try oud MPD just type wiki mpd to set it up [23:38] i forget what front end i liked to connect to [23:38] i hated the desision of apple start using intel micros [23:38] ario [23:38] let me google brb [23:38] what would you rather people use windows and call you all the time or osx and have less problems [23:39] yes install mpd then ario and theres something else im missing [23:39] oh mcc [23:40] you will love it if you take the time to set it up [23:41] heh psyber i liked that comment [23:41] MadDog: it's looks real nice...see they just released ario 1.4.1 today..:D [23:42] yes ario and mpd is very sweet combo [23:42] BarryMcCokiner (n=KVIrc@adsl-68-251-191-177.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] can audacious have less volume? [23:42] a little tricky to set up mpd [23:42] howdy yall [23:42] i have volume set to 100% and i think it has less volume that amarok+ [23:42] but just go to wiki mpd type that in google [23:43] and whats neat about mpd [23:43] its a music server [23:43] hcfd (n=fed@host217-43-148-96.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [23:43] mpd :: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/audio/mpd/ [23:43] that means you can go to another computer and connect to your pc with mpd and listen to it [23:43] ario :: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/audio/ario/ [23:43] with ario [23:43] or any other front end [23:44] andarius: !! [23:44] hcfd (n=fed@host217-43-148-96.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:44] icecast works real good to on it [23:44] for slackware, one should always start with core packages, then go to slackbuilds.org [23:44] andarius: you seem to be a good girl :P [23:44] do I get a cookie ? [23:44] is 64 bit ready for prime time yet? [23:44] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [23:44] BarryMcCokiner: no [23:44] bah [23:44] not, just a photo i suspect you are a boy [23:45] mpd is as unique as irssi is with ssh [23:45] BarryMcCokiner: 64-bit has been around for a very long time [23:45] 64-bit Linux is...ok, depending on what you need [23:45] so they block your irc ports in university [23:45] no problem [23:45] games, veiwing porn, the usual [23:45] ssh in home pc pop up irssi [23:45] problem solved [23:45] BarryMcCokiner: mm :S where do you live? [23:46] moon? [23:46] Indiana [23:46] Where in Indiana? [23:46] whats wrong with x64 [23:46] Jones [23:46] psyber: x86_64 [23:46] i see it on the site x64 [23:46] Near Louisville [23:46] i use that on my laptop , slackware x86_64 current [23:46] Kentucky? [23:46] yes [23:47] o.O [23:47] Far enough from me [23:47] Indianapolis here [23:47] does it work good psyber ? [23:47] ah [23:47] oops thanks straterra [23:47] yeah the only thing that doesnt is grub [23:47] i have x86_64 on my lappie too, and all works fine [23:47] webcam configured, all working fine [23:47] i need flash for hulu [23:47] hmm weird why grub wouldnt work right [23:47] flash works [23:48] im suing grub but i installed it before from archlinux, couse i was using it [23:48] grub only works with x86 but there are a few hacks to get it working [23:48] even though they are going to pay service next year [23:48] and all goes fine, is on /boot partition [23:48] heh 64 bit linux and firefox and flash used to have issues [23:48] psyber: nono [23:48] I used grub on 64-bit Gentoo just fine.. [23:48] not anymore [23:48] straterra: I have friends in Indy [23:48] psyber: im suing grub 64 [23:48] not anymore? [23:49] hehe same here straterra [23:49] really ? there isnt a 64 bit slackware grub version [23:49] why grub couldn't be compilled on x86_64, as i know there isn't any problem with it [23:49] failed to install grub, in slack, but I wanted grub - did a manual intsall with http://tyniurl.com/zjhbn [23:49] TIC_PP (n=TIC@203.144.85.85) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:50] psyber: take a look there http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/extra/source/grub/grub.SlackBuild [23:50] i think there isn't any problem with it [23:51] what os's are you dual booting ? [23:51] dumb question it looks like you take the x86 one and apply the x86_64 patch right ? [23:51] yes [23:52] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "dont taze me bro.... cause I'll taze you back :P" [23:52] so how do you apply the patch ? never had to do that before [23:52] i feel someone was lazy in the grub department or just overlooked it [23:52] i was using kwort but right now Archlinux and Slackware, but im using slackware, and i think i'll remove and keep slackware64-current [23:52] aa, and xp sp2 for games, but not actually gaming [23:52] psyber, i blieve the script does it for you [23:52] ok cool thanks [23:52] yes [23:53] thats a linux i never really got into was Arch [23:53] but it indeed looks neat [23:53] it's like slack kiss philosophy but with a package manager [23:53] i've got arch in virtualbox [23:53] which resolve dependancies [23:53] trying it out [23:54] cool [23:54] it's quite good distro [23:54] i dont doubt [23:54] what functionality is lilo not providing for you? (granted i know grub does some things lilo can't just curious what is making you change) [23:54] and have lot of documentation on wiki [23:54] but now i feel comfortable on slack [23:54] i might actually give arch a swing and see what its like i respect all distro's [23:55] im downloading gentoo 10.1 to give it a chance [23:55] but some are just defying what linux is supposed to be [23:55] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:55] that works [23:55] i havent used Slack since it came on floppies [23:55] thanks mancha [23:55] np [23:56] haha BarryMcCokiner [23:56] why not ? [23:56] but what an epic adventure it was installing from a stack of 20 floppies [23:56] i actually prefer grub to lilo , just more used to it i guess [23:56] 20 floppies [23:56] haha [23:57] lilo is easy and much simpler to understand [23:57] i started using linux with debian then went to fedora then slackware [23:57] and what are you using right now BarryMcCokiner? [23:57] psyber, fair enough. [23:57] MadDog: never had a cd burner until ... 2003? [23:57] wtf psyber [23:57] what ? [23:57] oh i read that wrong [23:57] acidtripper: i have 10 machines with gentoo on them, 2 with ubuntu [23:58] how did you installed gentoo? [23:58] heres what i read i started using linux when debian wnt to fedora and then slackware [23:58] from live or by hand? what are you managing? that you have 10 pcs with gentoo? [23:58] ahh [23:58] i was like ok say this isnt so [23:59] acidtripper: they all run BOINC [23:59] the drugs are kicking in [23:59] actuall on my server i still use debian stable [23:59] actually [23:59] I use BOINC to heat my house in winter basicly [23:59] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [23:59] debian is neat i dont really care for it [23:59] i like gentoo because of the ability to do such a minimal install [23:59] sabayon is going along ways also [00:00] --- Thu Dec 3 2009