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[00:27] so does pong and globalthermonuclearwar [00:27] and chess [00:28] Cann0n, i'm ok little sore did some deep cleaning and reorganized the whole kitchen little pre spring cleaning i guess [00:28] I've never really played Space Invaders. [00:28] NaCly: @_o [00:29] Had lots of fun with Asteroids, though. [00:30] nix_chix0r, fun stuff. you are not throwing away a flux capacitors by any chance are you? [00:30] Space Invaders sucked [00:30] Cann0n: ET sucked. Space Invaders was awesome. [00:30] also centipede [00:30] i liked tempest [00:30] of course I am remembering atari 2600 days [00:30] Life Force was my favorite [00:30] I remember playing "Nibbles" on a DOS box. [00:31] Cann0n: I used to play that in the arcade. [00:31] anyone remember those? [00:31] i didnt get into many games. i remember when mario bros came out [00:31] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:32] i used to pacman in the arcade [00:33] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [00:33] soul calibur was my game in the arcade my in my early teens [00:34] I've played a few different versions of pacman in the arcades [00:34] hah [00:34] youngster [00:34] yeah i know [00:35] it's all about Arkanoid [00:35] pffft [00:35] lol [00:35] I played arkanoid at home [00:36] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] I went to the arcade to beat people's asses at MK and Virtua Fighter [00:36] :) [00:36] i like tempest like games [00:36] MK lol [00:36] FINISH HIM! [00:37] that and street fighter 2 [00:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Force_(arcade_game)#Version_differences [00:38] that was MY game back when i came out on NES [00:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thexder [00:39] I played that on my trs-80 [00:39] although the article is wrong because I had a coco2 [00:40] my buddy and i used to do the team up trick and hook our fighters together into a mech. one guy shoots, one guy drives [00:40] Cann0n: I always hated the part where the curls of flame jump up at you [00:40] I wonder how busy Domino's is today. [00:41] i hated the walls you had to shoot out and the heal up behind you [00:41] lol [00:41] thekder looks cool [00:41] i want to play it [00:42] you might be able to find a rom somewhere if you search around [00:42] I don't know if it's still in print. [00:43] thexder, fyi [00:43] oh, there was a win95 remake [00:43] I bet that sucked :) [00:43] yeah [00:43] Life Force was the shit tho [00:44] i beat that without dying once once [00:44] two player mode was the best [00:45] i got that rom... two different copies [00:45] just in case one didnt work [00:45] btw, I'm not exactly sure how legit it is to be talking about game roms in ##slackware. :) [00:46] given the games are ancient, but still [00:46] Just don't hand out links. [00:46] dunno. no one else is chatting [00:46] jkwood: that's easy, i don't have any :) [00:47] i did find a trs-80 emulator though, pretty cool :D [00:47] yeah. i havent touched roms in a while. just have on old cd buried deep in my room [00:47] SBo has builds for multiple different game emulators. It's not a big deal most of the time. [00:47] yeah [00:48] Action: jkwood goes back /away [00:48] Action: godling follows jkwood [00:49] i figure those game titles are so old, its better to have someone playing them, as old and obsolete... if the programmers knew, they'd probably take kudos and acknowledge it with a thanks for caring basket [00:50] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [00:51] vdv (n=vdv@62.217.159.98) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:53] justeco (i=tim@178.b162.bendtel.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:56] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:58] lando__ (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] Nick change: lando__ -> lando [01:00] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:00] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. 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[01:14] its a simple Hello World [01:15] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:18] skibur: does it _write_ to the outfile then? [01:18] not really sure [01:19] I just made a simple Hello World app to test it out [01:20] skibur: that's what i'd check. does the "outfile" get written at all, and what are the permissions at the target. [01:20] ah I see [01:21] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:21] vdv (n=vdv@62.217.159.98) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-84.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] I can't seem to fine the output file [01:26] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] Where does Konqueror store its cookies by default? [01:30] erbi_ (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [01:32] ccfreak2k: $KDEHOME/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies [01:32] ccfreak2k: usually $KDEHOME would be ~/.kde [01:32] Cool beans. [01:32] Action: Camarade_Tux realizes he has forgotten everything about kde just by not using it for one year or so [01:33] Is $KDEHOME set just for me KDE session? It doesn't seem to be set when I open a new terminal window. [01:33] ccfreak2k: it's not set here either. mebbe you need kde running. [01:33] It is running. [01:34] erbi_ (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Client Quit [01:34] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-d6663f1ffd0daa66) joined ##slackware. [01:34] Camarade_Tux: me neither. however a google search for "konqueror where are cookies stored" yields #1 this answer. [01:34] erbi_ (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [01:34] ccfreak2k: so refer to ~/.kde [01:34] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "See you soon" [01:37] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:38] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [01:38] .win 33 [01:38] lowkyalur, lol ;p [01:38] A-life (n=alife@75-167-220-183.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [01:40] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [01:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] ionshark (n=ionshark@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:47] greetings from the slacktop to the slackworld [01:48] Nick change: ionshark -> The-Croupier [01:48] NOOOOOO [01:48] ls [01:48] you speak of the slackworld! [01:49] nullboy: what is wrong with that? [01:49] i know nothing! [01:49] "he who knows alot,knows nothing" :p [01:49] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:51] unfortunately it's only a one-way adage [01:51] so nullboy is still screwed. ;P [01:51] lol [01:51] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [01:52] lol [01:52] man my food needs to get here [01:52] !! [01:52] if i know nothing, and he who knows a lot knows nothing, do i know a lot? [01:52] um [01:52] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:52] i'm confoozeled [01:52] nullboy: I made a joke about it being a one-way adage, like a one-way function, so no. there's no way back. [01:53] damn [01:53] alright guys; silk, cotton, or linen boxers [01:54] burlap [01:54] hemp [01:54] hemp boxers! sounds good [01:54] i like the natural stuff [01:54] nullboy: why are you asking about boxers? [01:54] because i'm shopping for boxers right now [01:55] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:55] balls deep boxers? http://ballsdeepboxers.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=&Category_Code=BDB [01:55] maybe [01:56] fucking 20 dollars?! [01:56] oh em gee [01:56] dood balls deep though! [01:56] with a condom pocket! [01:56] pffft [01:56] http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7694781&sourceid=1500000000000003260430&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=7694781 [01:56] i'll never end up using that pocket though...after all i'm on IRC asking about boxers [01:57] you might use it to keep candy or something [01:57] yeah or batteries or my USB stick [01:57] something like that right [01:57] usb stick might be good, but don't forget it when you go through a tsa checkpoint [01:57] some chick would feel that and i'd have to tell her it's a full 32GB USB stick [01:57] she'd love me [01:58] "omg your 32GB flash stick is awesome! take me now!" [01:58] heh [01:59] I actually spent that much for boxers once [01:59] they're flannel [01:59] this is really annoying... a 5% savings account turns into 1% savings account now GG [01:59] fed rate fail. [02:00] could be worse [02:00] yeah could be .5% [02:00] I'm takign macroeconomics this quarter, too [02:00] so I'm learning about all of this crap [02:01] nice that's a good class [02:01] yeah it's really interesting [02:01] I already got 7 points extra towards the final because I did some graphs for the professors upcoming textbook. [02:01] I'm also getting a mention in the intro [02:01] sweet [02:02] yeah, originally I was going to get 2 units of research/independent study credit but I really only did like four graphs [02:02] I thought it would be more [02:03] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:03] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk161.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [02:03] I had a geology for some lower division unit needs a few years ago and the class went on a camping trip into the desert so i tracked all our movements with GPS and created maps with overlays for the professor. he fliiped out and gave me an a+ [02:03] doing the multimedia stuff is easy points [02:04] i have alittle problem.... my /home/ is reifeser but my other partition/backup is ext3 .. but i cannot see anything in it.. with mount dev/backuppartition /partition [02:04] http://truckbearingkibble.com/images/comic/11-09-07.jpg [02:04] is there a way to get into it and see the files? [02:04] The-Croupier: your backup is destroyed [02:04] nope..its not [02:04] The-Croupier: su ; cd /partition ; ls -lR [02:04] in bash [02:05] The-Croupier: what do you mean you can't see anything ? [02:05] The-Croupier: what does mount tell you? [02:05] ls -lR says total 0 [02:05] nullboy mount says nothing [02:05] is the partition even listed in mount? [02:06] nullboy: sounds like nope [02:06] is it even mounted at all? [02:06] with mount dev/backuppartition /partition has no filesystem type [02:06] mount -t ext3 /dev/foo /mnt/foo [02:07] The-Croupier: does 'fdisk -l' show the proper flags for the partition? [02:07] that's a lowercase "L" [02:09] nullboy: ok...but i see nothing just the lost and found [02:09] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:09] even with the mount -t ext3 ;) [02:09] you can see lost+found though [02:09] that's a bad sign [02:10] :( [02:15] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:15] try unmounting and fsck.ext3 /dev/foo ? or try testdisk [02:17] i need to migrate my current install over to a LUKS setup [02:17] it's not difficult, just time consuming [02:17] Rat409: its says its clean [02:18] doesn't look good. [02:18] :( damn..my backup is gone :( [02:18] The-Croupier: sounds like it, yeah [02:18] :( ihad so many books in it :( [02:18] try testdisk saved me a few times [02:19] The-Croupier: if you plan to attempt recovery, whatever you do...do not mount it r/w [02:19] work in r/o mode as long as possible [02:19] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "leaving" [02:19] indeed [02:20] The-Croupier: testdisk .. [02:20] morning. [02:20] Action: duryodhan hates to see that he was right the first time [02:21] duryodhan: ;) [02:21] ok guys ill try that [02:21] hey anyone in or near Edmonton, AB, CA right now? [02:21] is there snow on the ground? [02:22] right, so i mount it first... then run testdisk on it ;) right? [02:22] read it first so you know what you're doing >> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk [02:23] geez there is snow on the ground [02:23] Rat409: ok ;) thanks [02:24] nullboy, i wish it would snow here, we have been have 40 degree days for the past week =/ [02:24] hope it helps [02:24] having* even [02:24] me too [02:24] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] i just want the books. i had lots of rainbow books, and other stuff..i cannot find very easily [02:25] :( [02:25] Frullet: this is where i live http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [02:26] Action: NyteOwl lives the other side of nowhere [02:28] Action: NyteOwl sends The-Croupier a copy of the ugly-red-book-that-wont-fit-on-a-shelf [02:28] nullboy, ill gladly trade you a day of this heat for a day or two of your cold weather :P [02:29] Frullet: it's not so cold here though [02:29] Frullet: I'm wondering about edmonton because i'm going to be up there in march [02:31] Action: The-Croupier thanks NyteOwl ;) [02:31] had a wide collection of the books :( damn... [02:32] im still waiting for two books i ordered 2 weeks ago [02:32] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.146) joined ##slackware. [02:34] Action: The-Croupier is restarting....hope that works ... [02:34] seeya soon [02:34] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:36] lowkyalur (n=low@icm4-orange.orange.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] Action: NyteOwl prefers printed books though electronic are beter than none at all [02:39] Action: duryodhan likes safari books [02:39] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:43] elge (n=elge@mx.nethence.com) left ##slackware. [02:49] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:50] nullboy: it was above 0C for a few days, so the main roads are bare. The back streets however are solid ice. [02:50] brutal [02:50] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [02:50] it is yes. got some grips on your truck? [02:50] i sure as hell won't be driving [02:51] I know cali freeways. i'm tuned to deal with california mayhem, not freaking black ice [02:51] i wonder how it will be come march [02:52] black ice is fun, it introduces a whole new experience to the driving lark [02:52] good choice not being used to it. The back streets have about 6 inches of snow,hense the ice,not black. [02:52] i'd eat shit for sure [02:53] i'm going to a wedding up there [02:53] damn i still get the lost+found thing [02:53] i was just up there a few months ago too ;) [02:53] I really should put this keyboard back in position properly on this thinkpad so my spacebar works like it should. [02:54] nullboy: there is snow in california? :-o [02:54] stybla: yeah [02:54] california has it all [02:54] nullboy: i thought it's sun-all-year [02:54] nullboy: by the time you get here,we could have no snow left, or another three feet.;) [02:54] chopp: haha stick around for 20 minutes right [02:55] yup [02:55] stybla: california has it all, mountains, desert, plains, chaparral, coast, forest whatever [02:56] but where i live yeah, it's mostly sunny [02:57] we get a lot of morning fog in my area though [03:02] night all later [03:02] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:05] mkultra (n=mkultra@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:05] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:05] mkultra kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Hoofboy, you're annoying. Go away. [03:05] nullboy: are you sure it's fog and it's not a "fog"? :) [03:06] nullboy: because Prague has "fog" too [03:06] nullboy: but okay. well, if one says California -> beaches, sun, girlies ... these are the first things "you" think about [03:07] Hoofboy haha [03:09] testdisk is recovering stuff...its very very slow..but looks like its working ;) [03:09] what on earth is ufs 2 though. is it unrecognised file system :( [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] ufs2 I believe is from freebsd [03:18] stybla: yeah i live on the beach too [03:18] lots of hot girls [03:18] half naked too [03:19] man that must suck. (no pun intended) [03:20] I'm following you back in march nullboy. [03:20] yeah getting excited while wearing a wetsuit does suck [03:20] lol [03:21] lol [03:22] irrelevant to this but testdisk sounds like an awesome tool [03:23] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:24] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) joined ##slackware. [03:25] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:25] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] so is ext3grep [03:27] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] foremost is neat too [03:29] nullboy: looks to be. I'll have to check that out some time. [03:29] Rob_e (n=Rob_e@cpc1-clif3-0-0-cust761.nott.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [03:31] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:32] Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:33] matt5_ (n=river@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:33] hi, could you guys suggest a reliable dyndns provider? [03:33] dyndns.com? the no-ip one? any suggestions? [03:33] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:34] i use dyndns but for personal use [03:34] same [03:34] i just have a non commercial free account [03:34] I've used dyndns free and paid services for years, no complaints [03:34] that's what I'll be using it for too.. because my IP changes quite often and I often need to ssh to it [03:34] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [03:35] matt5_: dyndns free stuff has worked great for me for years [03:36] d4rwin (n=d@74.209.9.37) left irc: "Leaving." [03:36] dyndns.com then, great, thanks. I take it that the update clients they provide are pretty good and secure? [03:36] yeah [03:36] alright, thanks. [03:36] my openwrt router uses ndyndns [03:37] for the update daemon [03:38] Rob_e (n=Rob_e@cpc1-clif3-0-0-cust761.nott.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:38] there is also this one http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/ddclient/ [03:38] NyteOwl (i=nodezero@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "There are four types of hats to be aware of: Black, White, Grey and Red. The meanings are: Cracker, Hacker, Guru and Victim. [03:39] nullboy: hehe :) well, but beach + snow ... doesn't get together. [03:39] i can [03:39] it [03:39] eh? eh! [03:39] in some areas of california [03:40] Northern california has coastal snow sometimes [03:40] that must be weird to see palms covered with snow [03:41] not plams [03:41] california has a much more diverse landscape than what you see on tv [03:41] :s [03:41] oki [03:42] my parents house does have palm trees and sometimes it gets snow [03:45] i see. [03:47] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [03:48] Atomoxetiney (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:52] maybe cypress trees covered in snow [03:52] like in santa cruz [03:52] last year [03:56] so thats how you learn new tools...by making a mess of your system ;) hmm [03:56] Action: The-Croupier is thinking of doing that more often [03:56] The-Croupier, how did that recovery go? [03:57] and i though such things are recovery and reinstall will teach you not to mess with production system :p [03:57] s/are/like/ [03:57] grh [03:58] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [03:58] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-406736.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Frullet: still on 53% [03:59] still going... get a list of files in the terminal and wishing things go alright... [03:59] The-Croupier, let me know how it goes [04:00] i think i was wise enough to put them in an external disk..but i dont remember exactly when..:( [04:00] Frullet: thanks for the interest...ill definately do [04:02] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] someone once suggested a one-liner that downloads the source after having downloaded a slackbild script from SBo, somethinh like INFO && something.. I think it was t humbs, what was it again? :x [04:02] someone once suggested a one-liner that downloads the source after having downloaded a slackbild script from SBo, something like INFO && something.. , what was it again? :x [04:02] whops, sorry [04:03] can I still use the floppy drive if it fails during the bios check(post)? [04:03] Ficthe: try sbopkg .. its there in google code .. [04:03] Ficthe: sbopkg [04:03] Ficthe: even if you don't like the application (I don't ) .. you could look at teh code for doing the wgetting [04:04] duryodhan: why dont you like it? ( i do) [04:04] ;) [04:04] The-Croupier: I am sure its a nice app .. I just like to go to the site and download and build it on my own .. [04:05] that is different.... [04:05] gOi (n=carter@196-209-63-250-rrba-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [04:06] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:06] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:07] sorry, I'm a bit lost.. I'm referring to a command I simply had to input after having downloaded the slackbuild.. something like "something && INFO" -- after that I only had to installpkg and that was all :x [04:07] fucking hell dudes.. [04:08] london is in mass confusion [04:08] no transport is working [04:08] no college today shops are closed [04:08] we have snow for a change :) [04:09] lw0x15: why? Is it weather related? [04:09] yeah too much snow [04:09] :)) [04:09] I hear that... >.> [04:10] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3247149420_e0a00dc31d_b.jpg [04:10] took that few mins ago [04:10] We have it bad here in the state of kentucky too. [04:10] and i took that yesterday [04:10] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3447/3243488821_aa2edda444_b.jpg [04:11] A lot of people are still without power. [04:11] guys, theres a backup disk on the network/lan ... how can i see it from my slackware laptop? is it only with ip/directory? [04:11] something that could help see the defices on the lan? [04:12] euler- (n=carter@196-209-63-250-rrba-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:12] I have a sound file in WMA format and would like to convert it to MP3. How can I do this on Slackware? [04:12] kleanchap: Break out the hammer ;) [04:16] kleanchap: search for lame [04:17] i'll bet he thinks it's an insult. [04:18] stybla: Thnx. [04:18] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.134.186) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:19] Nick change: sid77_ -> sid77 [04:20] kjell: or, as i see, they are using mplayer to do it. i had the script, somewhere, but i can't find it. [04:20] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:20] o.O [04:21] 71% [04:21] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:22] kjell: http://ocaoimh.ie/2005/08/16/how-to-convert-from-wma-to-mp3/ <<< but dunno if it works. [04:23] Why me? :-( [04:24] ooopppssie [04:24] kleanchap: ^^ 2 messages :) [04:24] kjell: sorry!!! [04:25] stybla: Haha no problem! [04:25] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:26] Snow snom sn [04:26] Snow snow snow today.. woo for weather!! [04:26] stybla: Thnx again. [04:26] Zordrak_: Where do you live? [04:27] kleanchap: no problem. [04:27] kjell: England [04:27] Zordrak_: congrats! [04:27] no work/college [04:27] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [04:27] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [04:27] mope.. i am in work [04:27] =O [04:28] oh so you aint in london i guess [04:28] HELL NO [04:28] FSCK LNODON! [04:28] :)) [04:28] ahem [04:28] Action: lw0x15 hides [04:28] I lived in that freak-laden hellhole before [04:28] not that bad ;> [04:28] i shall nevar return [04:29] Zordrak: In the caves? [04:29] :D [04:30] awwww [04:30] Action: Zordrak checked the motorway webcams [04:30] no gridlock [04:30] Guess they just never bothered leaving home [04:30] pussies [04:31] Zordrak: where are the webcams [04:31] they should be chucked into siberia with no clothes... thatll teach em what REAL snom and ice is! [04:31] oh nvmd [04:31] found them [04:31] lw0x15: highways agency :) [04:32] I have a wiki page that loads up all the local ones in a page [04:32] this building at top.. then the sheffield city ones.. then the local motorways [04:33] I'm doing some practice at a company at the moment. They are doing web-applications to generate webpages. At my first day they told me I would never want to code a simple webpage after this time. [04:33] I still do. I can't wait to get home. This page generates the design in tables. Sigh. [04:34] d'oh [04:34] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:38] kjell: imao there is nothing wrong with tables, if the content should belong inside table :) [04:39] stybla: Design should not, and thats what i ment. Ofcourse tables should be used when appropriate :D [04:39] low on caffeine :s [04:39] Also, passwords are stored in cleartext. [04:39] ...in html? :) [04:39] In the system. It's PHP in backend. [04:39] It's a shopping-site-generator. [04:39] ah. well, if the partition is encrypted, then it's not that bad. [04:40] and sys is locked donw :p [04:40] *down [04:40] If theres sql injections its bad. Especially on shopping-sites. [04:41] what can one say? :) [04:44] Does anyone run Windows through Virtual Box? [04:46] Chocotoff (n=Chocotof@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Thurin1: i maintain it for engineers [04:46] Ok.. So I guess you've never tried to see whether movie maker runs under it or not huh? [04:49] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:50] cant see why it shouldnt [04:52] bostik (n=bostik@213-209-160-195.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [04:55] Thurin1: nevar [04:55] Ok [04:57] stybla: for example, one could say, "Only ever store salted hashed passwords" [05:00] fred: oh, i didn't want to say that plaintext passwords are good idea. [05:01] fred: but there are "but"s [05:03] No exceptions I'd say. Passwords are sensitive and should never be stored in plaintext, in any project available on the web. Especially not sites dealing with money. [05:03] kjell: there are ALWAYS exceptions [05:04] kjell: otherwise you end up with totalitarian red-tape laden, /broken/ systems [05:04] *cough*labour government*cough* [05:04] Zordrak: Hm. When should I NOT salt my passwords? [05:05] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:05] when it's inappropriate and unnecessary [05:05] Could you give an example? [05:05] there are many times when passwords are by no means nhe weakest link in a system [05:06] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com expired. [05:06] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:06] where security is congerned, the weakest link is your fail point [05:06] Does that matter? I don't think you should ignore such things anyways. [05:07] kjell: yes, but there are problems like mysql-md5 and pgsql-no-md5... you can run into various bumps, i'd say. [05:08] In what way? (I'm not stubborn, I just want to learn as much as I can) [05:11] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [05:11] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:13] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [05:14] howdy howdy everyone [05:14] howdy! [05:14] ezi [05:14] =] [05:15] fred: salt?! [05:15] hiya antler [05:15] salt and computers is a bad mix [05:16] acidchild: waffles instead? [05:16] sounds good [05:16] The-Croupier: oh hey. how've you been? :) [05:17] why am i awake :( [05:19] acidchild: my computer's full of water too! [05:19] :D [05:19] sorry for your loss :-( [05:19] i hate when applications die silently [05:20] you think more than one using the same interface in premisc mode causes issues? is that OS dependant problem? [05:20] not bad man, not bad.. how about yourself..long time no see [05:20] question is for fred or who ever.. [05:20] Joker_-__ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) joined ##slackware. [05:20] more than one application* [05:21] The-Croupier: i'm good. enjoying good ol canadian winters atm ;-) [05:21] acidchild: what are they using the same? apart form interface [05:21] LOL [05:22] kjell: I have your answer!! [05:22] antler: it warmed up abit today for me here in toronto =] was nice [05:22] antler: sounds nice [05:22] kjell: http://xkcd.com [05:22] Action: The-Croupier is correcting exams ;) [05:22] The-Croupier: i dunno? ntop and two sessions of snort (the snort pairs run fine together) [05:22] acidchild: hahaha winters are the worst in to [05:22] :( [05:22] its depressing sometimes. [05:23] Zordrak: Yeah ;) [05:23] The-Croupier: all listening on fxp0,sk0,sk1 [05:23] acidchild: yeah i hear ya [05:23] doesn't even make me want to buy toilet paper or milk for coffee [05:24] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [05:24] acidchild: hmmmm why would you need toilet paper for coffe?! [05:24] i've boycotted the nearest store to me, so i have to walk that little extra. [05:24] Action: The-Croupier wonders how acidchild drinks his coffee [05:24] no toilet paper in teh coffee [05:24] thats just wrong [05:25] Action: The-Croupier wonders what acidchild does while having his coffee :( [05:25] coffee? I wonder how he wipes his ass?! [05:25] lots of things :] [05:25] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-52-13.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:25] as for the two sessions, try running one snort and one ntop and see what happens [05:25] chopp: talking about buying things in the snow. [05:25] The-Croupier: thats not a very scientific way of going about it :-) [05:25] i'll just get ntop to give me a core file :-) [05:25] i know,but it could lead somewhere [05:26] acidchild: yes I understand. I'm also from the "great white north" [05:26] other than that, this project is almost done read to send spec to the web developers for the webgui [05:26] chopp: nice. :) [05:26] chopp: haha where? [05:26] Edmonton [05:26] awe [05:26] "things edmontonians don't know" [05:27] math? [05:27] it was a running joke on the radio years back [05:27] antler: trust me, I'd rather be in calgary too, or better yet back in sundre. [05:28] alicephilippa: where are you? [05:28] antler* [05:28] calgary [05:28] mmmm i see [05:28] :) [05:28] UK [05:28] hahah [05:28] lol [05:28] alicephilippa: where abouts? :) [05:28] chopp: you prefer small town living? [05:29] antler: I do yes [05:29] Cheshire [05:29] ah [05:30] its nice and hot dueing the summer <3 [05:30] 35c on the beach by the lake [05:30] priceless [05:30] 15minutes walk away :D [05:30] heh that does sound nice [05:31] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-52-13.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:31] speaking of beach, antler I lived in sylvan lake for a few years too. [05:31] antler: http://www.blogto.com/music/2007/07/in_photos_promise_at_cherry_beach/ [05:32] <3 Sundays [05:32] chopp: lol sylvan lake -- est. pop. 5. [05:33] acidchild: dude, u got a little woodstock happening there [05:33] antler: more like 3000 or so [05:33] antler: my reason for life dueing the summer [05:33] Cara_magro (n=gustavo@201.2.1.38) joined ##slackware. [05:33] :D [05:34] we got asked to play last year, one of them things that never got sorted right *pushs on the big pile* [05:34] chopp: sylvan lake's really nice on those hot summers that force curvaceous brunettes to wear tiny w 2-pieces [05:34] \m/! yes! [05:34] you know it! ^_^ [05:35] them wonderful introduction games everybody plays with each other <3 [05:35] god damn i can't wait for the summer! [05:35] hahahaha [05:35] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:35] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [05:35] i got myself a girlfriend for the winter haha [05:36] acidchild: head west man. u should come to the bc interior [05:36] I'm pretty pleased with the weather now. Not to cold, not to warm. [05:36] maybe! i'll take a holiday in june though next. [05:36] Can sit at the computer without freezing the ass of and without getting too much ballsweat. [05:36] thinking south korea :x [05:36] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:36] acidchild: the women are wild :D [05:36] antler: oh yessh ;x [05:37] and they willingly take chemicals to make them more wild ;D [05:37] :D [05:37] hahaha [05:37] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a9faee174b9ef85c) joined ##slackware. [05:37] i hope my gf finds a chick she fancys this summer ;x [05:38] lol [05:38] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [05:38] alas i can only dream about such things these days :( [05:39] :( [05:40] ball and chain? [05:40] freak wood chipper acident? [05:40] but then again, this IS north america, and shitz like dat are just a party away [05:40] yep [05:40] hhahah married, yeah [05:41] ah, well that makes it even less taboo [05:41] :) [05:41] i know a few couples who meet the 3ed aspect and take them home. [05:43] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.146) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:45] hahaha i wish she'd just smoke weed w/ me [05:46] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [05:47] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a9faee174b9ef85c) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:48] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dc0a0e1bffba6393) joined ##slackware. [05:48] antler: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3515/3231983792_24497cd249_b.jpg [05:48] want a hit ? :P [05:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) joined ##slackware. [05:49] oh dude, never from a bong [05:49] hehe [05:50] why not ? ;P [05:50] probably best method [05:50] lw0x15: heh though that IS a shiny bud [05:50] i prefer j'z [05:51] antler: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/3177345878_4bd0d58e9a_b.jpg [05:51] cant refuse that ;P [05:52] lw0x15: OH man that's a marley cone [05:52] love those hahaha [05:52] :)) [05:53] i am trained, as pavlov's dog was trained, to salivate whenever i see good bud [05:57] web_knows (n=riba@last.fm/user/web-knows) joined ##slackware. [05:57] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [05:57] hehe =] [05:58] freestyle (n=chatzill@158.Red-81-38-110.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] hello [05:58] i try to install slackware from usb storage [05:59] but my bios can't suport [05:59] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.146) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:00] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:00] i make a bere.i disk [06:00] *bare.i [06:01] then find another way [06:02] is imposible run usb from bare.i disk? [06:02] -o [06:02] Cara_magro (n=gustavo@201.2.1.38) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:02] =o [06:02] Cara_magro (n=gustavo@201.36.168.3) joined ##slackware. [06:04] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:05] freestyle: you don't have a cd/dvd burner? [06:06] yes [06:06] this pc only have a disquette and usb port [06:06] jesus. it's slackware; i'll send you my copy (dvd) [06:06] oh [06:07] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [06:07] good morning [06:07] Frullet_ (n=hooch@203-158-47-52.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:07] what is the problem? the bare.i can't suport usb [06:08] freestyle: you are confusing us :< [06:08] the bare ? [06:08] huh, bare.i ? [06:08] doesn't exist any more. [06:08] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:08] freestyle: why aren't you trying usb-and-pxe-installers/usbboot.img ? [06:09] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:09] ah sux closed the window by accident [06:09] http://slackware.com/install/bootdisk.php i read about this here [06:09] Hi all [06:10] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [06:11] i have install usbboot.img in my usb drive [06:11] Then where did bare.i come from? [06:12] but my bios can't boot [06:12] what exactly did you do to install usbboot.img on your drive? [06:12] hmmm, that boot disk page is out of date :p [06:12] I am looking for the substitute of netinst (debian) minimal installation in slackware [06:13] that would be usbboot.img (which can boot from usb, and install via ftp) [06:13] ok fred [06:13] thankz [06:13] did you put usbboot.img onto the usb stick via dd ? [06:13] the install type 'menu' is very large so I can't choose the right packages [06:14] or did you just copy it across as a file? [06:14] dd [06:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.141.132) joined ##slackware. [06:14] okay; re your bios can't boot it: did you check every option in the boot menu? [06:15] For example, on my desktop, USB sticks show up under "hard disks" in the boot menu, not under "removable" [06:15] yes [06:15] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [06:15] but the bios is old [06:15] Teratogen (i=leontopo@slashsnot.org) joined ##slackware. [06:15] only boot c or a [06:15] no CD/DVD boot either? [06:15] no [06:16] netboot? [06:16] no [06:16] s.o.l [06:16] okay, does it actually have a CD/DVD drive? [06:16] even if it can't boot from it. [06:16] Frullet__ (n=hooch@124-171-14-234.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:16] no haven't cd [06:17] drive [06:17] have a disquete drive and two usb port [06:18] :( does it have a network card, and do you have another machine you can network it with? [06:18] If i disable NAT on my modem to setup my own gateway, and still leave a dhcp server running on the modem, it should auto-assign me a public ip right? [06:18] when you deploy a server do you install everything in DVD ??? what exactly packages do you install ? [06:19] yes [06:19] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-119-223.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:19] ok i try to install via network [06:20] thank [06:21] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-52-13.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [06:22] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.145.155) joined ##slackware. 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[07:57] http://tinyurl.com/nameslack [07:58] SlackNeo1 (n=SlackNeo@190.176.148.252) joined ##slackware. [07:58] All recommendations welcome [07:58] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:58] Zordrak: I like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings names ;) [07:59] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Kenjiro: hit the link [07:59] Kenjiro: further explanation about my limits are there [07:59] disco stu! [08:00] sahko: appropriate to which function and why? [08:01] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.154.111) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:01] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:01] hmm that a tough one [08:01] thats [08:02] ooo GOT ONE! [08:02] either Patty and/or Selma for the licence server [08:03] they hand out licences at the DMV [08:03] whos they? marge's sisters? [08:03] yeah [08:03] lol [08:03] i propose you name something after the principal's mother too [08:04] dont rember his or her name [08:04] oh skinner it is [08:04] 1st licence server can be called Patty and if we need another it can be Selma [08:04] Agnes Skinner [08:04] appropriate to which function and why? [08:05] Nick change: SlackNeo1 -> SlackNeo [08:05] I spose the intranet+horde server could be brockman [08:06] since reading the news is a way of getting information like accessing an intranet [08:06] Good names there :D [08:06] Wiggum etc. [08:07] you cant use all the cool characters. mo, the other cool drunk, disco stu!! [08:07] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Aint the church-dude a lot at home? (intranet) [08:07] gnubien (n=e@97.100.255.230) joined ##slackware. [08:07] or that redneck with the shotgun [08:08] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.15) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:08] He is externally accessible to homers neighbour. [08:08] Damn I suck at names :D [08:09] :/ [08:10] Reverend Timothy Lovejoy I mean [08:12] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-130-234.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [08:13] dont quite see it fittig really [08:14] Why not name the database-server to Database? Thats a character in Simpsons ;) [08:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Springfield_Elementary_School_students#Database [08:14] too confusing with cnames [08:14] Here are others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_from_The_Simpsons [08:14] eg i wouldnt use Data for a server if i were using star trek characters [08:15] i know the characters [08:15] i need *appropriate* names for each function [08:17] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:18] Zordrak: my dad's computer is Teletran-1 [08:18] ahahahahaha [08:18] and mine is Coruscant [08:19] and my WinXP VM is called Tatooine, since that's so full of crap and villany (be it the VM or the planet) [08:19] LOL [08:19] lol [08:19] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.81.173) joined ##slackware. [08:20] and a slackware VM called Kamino, since they are cloners there *LOL* [08:20] Why Moleman for VPN? [08:21] kjell: tunels? [08:21] :D [08:22] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [08:22] anyone willing to GIVE ME a MSI Wind? :) [08:23] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:26] i'll be just happy with money, thank all of you. [08:26] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-97.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-97.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [08:28] stybla: ;) [08:28] m0o [08:32] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. 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[09:02] :'( [09:02] Action: fred is working from home == good [09:02] everyone else in the area working from home == 30 minutes queing to pay at the local supermarket when buying lunch [09:02] BP{k}: a bit too much =] all buses were suspended earlier on [09:03] lw0x15: yeah, guess living in Manchester has it advantages ;) [09:03] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:03] lw0x15: You're in london too? [09:03] :> [09:03] yeah [09:03] Whereabouts? Finsbury park area here. [09:03] croydon [09:03] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] fred: you live like at the the opposite end of me [09:04] :)) [09:05] "live like at the the opposite end of me" <-- a vivid thought :) [09:05] ;-D [09:05] well opposite end of londons :P [09:05] ends of london [09:06] ah I see [09:06] "the dodgy end" ;) [09:06] BP{k}: hehe [09:07] my mate was waiting for the bus for an hour :)) [09:07] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:09] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@net-93-147-34-62.t2.dsl.vodafone.it) joined ##slackware. [09:10] never came.. [09:10] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@net-93-147-34-62.t2.dsl.vodafone.it) left irc: Client Quit [09:11] fabricio_ (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Nick change: fabricio_ -> fabricio` [09:15] hmm...my slack seems a bit laggy somehow [09:15] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:15] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [09:15] but only 60% ram usage [09:17] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:18] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:18] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [09:19] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:22] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:23] London scum should be banned :) [09:24] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:25] [ in bed ] [09:25] =O [09:26] Zordrak: who?! [09:26] leave london or leave slackware ;) [09:27] lol [09:27] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] shit ;-/ [09:27] Action: lw0x15 loves both [09:29] Woo! (Vorderman += Tories) == Possible Teaching Progress! [09:36] andy_ (n=andy@194.47.187.155) joined ##slackware. [09:36] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Nick change: andy_ -> StealthAsimov_ [09:37] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:38] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [09:39] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.81.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:39] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.173) joined ##slackware. [09:40] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:41] goooood moooorning vietnam! :P [09:41] Morning? :D Oh lawd macavity the time is 15:41 ;) [09:41] i know.. i know.. [09:41] Action: macavity looks ashamed [09:42] i slept for 12 hours [09:42] Oh god. Unemployed? :D [09:42] yes :-/ [09:43] =]] [09:43] its only 8:43am here [09:43] only 14:45 [09:43] Försäkringskassan in Sweden now have support for Linux. [09:43] rk4n3: your clock is wrong :> [09:43] unemployed and seemingly not too concerned :> [09:43] [ in bed ] [09:43] no, not in bed [09:43] lw0x15: haha - yes I suppose my clock is dismally wrong for some parts of the world :) [09:44] oh good... perhaps the slowly waking americans may be able to provide some useful server name suggestions [09:44] rk4n3: i meant minutes :P [09:44] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:44] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [09:45] lw0x15: ive been wondering.. how is you nick pronounced? [09:45] *your [09:45] el double v ex fifteen [09:45] :D [09:45] lw0x15: not according to both http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Central/d/-6 and us.pool.ntp.org [09:45] Oh, it was MUCH snow in great brittan?! [09:45] macavity: quite cleary it is pronounced: [ in bed ] [09:45] lol [09:45] 09:43 < lw0x15> only 14:45 <-- whose minutes are wrong? =P [09:45] >_> [09:46] 2 inches of snow and the country grinds to a halt [09:46] O_O [09:46] dive: seven! and growing [09:46] i want snow [09:46] your kidding, right? [09:46] its 40C daily here [09:46] well everything happened over night [09:46] the reason is simple and clear [09:46] lw0x15, where do you live? [09:46] here it has to come up to at least two and a half inch before everything goes haywire [09:46] haha [09:46] thats like 4 million F [09:46] dive: london [09:47] if we had this weather often, we would have invested in the equipment to deal with it [09:47] but we dont [09:47] Sweden aint got much snow left now. [09:47] I live in crawley - about 20 miles south of you [09:47] [ in bed ] [09:47] this is the worst in a decade [09:47] [ in bed ] [09:47] so to buy the equipment would be a waste of money [09:47] [ in bed ] [09:47] snow not too bad atm [09:47] kjell: we havent had any this year [09:48] [ in bed ] [09:48] ... [09:48] macavity: Nice [09:48] dead horse is dead [09:48] spook: give up [09:48] kjell: that is, any that would stay on the ground for more than a few seccons [09:48] We've had some. Hate it. :D [09:48] thrice`: i'm a necrojokeiliasomething [09:48] [ in bed ] [09:48] dive: 24miles to my house =] [09:49] [ in shower ] [09:49] [ stop now please ] [09:49] [ in apron ] :P [09:49] [ this joke is getting BORING ] [09:49] [ in your face removing your teeth ] [09:49] Zordrak: how long you been a [ dentist ] ? [09:49] dieplskthx [09:50] the pls k thx? [09:51] Die. n/ 1. Stop Living [09:51] [ *HEADDESK* ] [09:52] pkill -f spook [09:52] die. ?/ 1. German for the [09:53] enough drunken trolling time for bed [09:53] big hole in windows 7 [09:53] spook: Yeah.. but thanks to world war two Im speaking english [09:53] so [09:53] dieplskthx [09:53] macavity: url? [09:53] i *so* hope they keep finding at least one a week from now till launch day :P [09:53] macavity: aka the middle of the dvd? [09:53] kjell: slashdot front page story :P [09:54] macavity: why? [09:54] spook: no... with windows the holes are alway unintentional and obscure to the user :P [09:54] foldingstock: because i happen to hold a grudge against propietary software [09:54] oh, ok [09:54] why? [09:56] vendor lockin, secret file formats, extortion price scheemes, interoperabilty problems due to explicit perversion of public standards, monopoly status and last but not least: one conviction after the other for bad/antitrust buiz practices [09:56] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-406736.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:57] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dc0a0e1bffba6393) left irc: [09:57] oh, and the fact that i cant study, share, modify and redistribute it as i see fit [09:57] macavity: all good points :) [09:58] im the local FSF Zealot... you have been properly warned :P [09:58] macavity: How dare you use my title in vain(!) [09:58] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-28f7caf6518c928e) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Zordrak: i am Free Software Foundation associate #3423... please identify yourself :P [09:59] associate member* [10:01] why did it go so quiet.... was it something i said? [10:02] D: [10:02] :D [10:02] reaver___ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [10:02] have any of you seen the series "Firefly"? [10:03] or the motion picture "Serenity"? [10:03] macavity: whats your view of proprietary drivers? [10:03] Firefly rocks [10:03] reaver___: we are all very affraid of you :P [10:03] lol [10:03] matt5 (n=river@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:04] foldingstock: i think it holehardetly sucks that the vendors dont publish the programming specs for their hardware... imagine a car engine that was utterly obfuscated in its design, and you could only go to one shop for repar/parts [10:05] does rsync do checksumming when it copies each file? is that why it has higher cpu use vs a regular copy over nfs? [10:05] macavity: you mean fords? :P [10:05] macavity: no.. just snow [10:05] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-406736.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [10:06] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.161) joined ##slackware. [10:06] foldingstock: i can pick appart a ford engine with off the shelf tools while reading a 3rd party developed manual [10:06] foldingstock: the GF happen to have a Ford Escort, so i actually know :P [10:06] I was kidding [10:06] but ford engines bug me [10:07] between van engines that build up carbon from city traffic and truck engines that have rubber valve seals that break after a certain mileage... [10:07] macavity: re: "local FSF zealot" ... I wasn't aware - kudos :) [10:07] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.153.32.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:08] trust me.. Intel graphics chips does not exactly excite me either.. but its pretty much the only *real* option for those who dont want propietary poison ware [10:08] macavity: the escort is a great little car, though [10:08] foldingstock, they're not called 'FORD - found on road dead' for nothing :) [10:08] OK... now that some of the americans are almost fully compos mentis............ [10:08] this one is on life support.. is a 1987 :-/ [10:08] http://tinyurl.com/nameslack <--- need some insiration for *Appropriate* names for new servers.. all feedback welcome.. details at linky [10:08] rk4n3: someone has to do it :P [10:08] Old_Fogie: true, but if I'm going to make fun of cars, I'd prefer 'KIA, killed in action" ;) [10:08] Action: foldingstock can't stand kias [10:09] foldingstock, haha [10:09] at least FORDs can be Fixed Or Repaired Daily [10:09] ;) [10:09] FIAT = Fix It Again Tomorrow [10:09] Toyota? [10:10] Zordrak: the license server should probably be Burns [10:10] LOL [10:10] (morning people) [10:10] ... or Wiggins [10:10] people have "license servers" now? [10:10] what do those do? [10:10] Zordrak: haha that's awesome! [10:11] macavity: Toyota? Toyota Overcharges You On Their Accessories ;) [10:11] Urchlay: why burns? Earlier on decided LS should be Patty or Selma cause they hand out licences at the DMV [10:11] foldingstock: nice :P [10:11] macavity: serve licences [10:11] Zordrak: hm, that might be better. Was thinking burns because a license server makes me think of a mean old rich guy [10:11] like a Kerberos KDC? [10:11] Im most concerned with thi intranet+horde server atm [10:11] Pontiac - "Poor Old Nincompoop Thought It Was A Cadillac" <-- cleaned up, used to have racial slurr in it. [10:12] macavity: google lmgrd [10:12] s/Thought It's [10:12] macavity: there's quite a bit of commercial software that requires a running service to authenticate licenses to ... its fairly irritating [10:13] macavity: ESP silicon engineering dusign software [10:13] macavity: IBM seems to like that model, though they're definitely not the only one [10:13] and costs 6 figures a year [10:13] only place I've run into license services was on solaris [10:13] old versions thereof [10:14] but my experience of proprietary UNIX is fairly limited [10:14] Urchlay: flexlm binaries have been available on linux for some time [10:14] even before s/flexlm/flexnet/ [10:14] rk4n3: so it goes like: 1) you pay. 2) you install. 3) they treat you like a criminal. 4) now you have a single point of failure for mission critical software? [10:15] What do these servers do? Have clients call home to verify the license on client is good and so $appname will therefore run? [10:15] zordrak, do you run Horde Groupware? [10:15] macavity: pretty much [10:15] *headdesk* [10:15] macavity: yep - though more like "extra point of failure", besides the software itself [10:15] macavity, agreed on headdesk [10:15] agentc0re: yes... this is the server i need a name for primarily [10:16] rk4n3: what i meant was, if the license server goes down, *all* the software of this kind goes down [10:16] Zordrak: I'm on my way into work now, so i gotta go. will you be around for the next hour though? I got some Q's to ask you about it. [10:16] macavity: indeed [10:16] Yeah, we *need* a Slackware Genuine Advantage ( /me rolls eyes :) [10:16] lol [10:17] Ya I'm sick of people stealing Slackware. :P [10:17] those damn pirates and their bittorrent [10:17] macavity: what's really interesting is to listen to managers that have been sold the "bill of goods" that the centralized license manager is an "important feature" [10:17] Action: macavity serisously consideres learning AD/Exchange just to help Samba4/Akonadi get good [10:17] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:18] macavity, is that the 'openchange' project I read about recently ? [10:18] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.161) left irc: [10:19] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-155-57-54.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel [10:19] Old_Fogie: openchange is the server part that will eventually become exchange compliant due to the samba4 code in it.. Akonadi is a "technology obfuscator" in the sense that it will act as a data point for all sorts of clients, and it backends to all sorts of servers [10:20] Old_Fogie: http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/ [10:20] I was reading about KDE 4.2 on Windows today, and in light of that 'openchange' project supposedly ready in another year, I wonder what impact that'll have on libre' software in the workplace in years to come. It'll be interesting to see if that could debunk the grapple on the world with Outlook and exchange. [10:20] macavity, ah thanks for explanation [10:21] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [10:21] Old_Fogie: in short, you drop in Samba4/OpenChange on the server side and let lusers keep on using windows workstations for now.. but you yourself prefere imap/iCal.. and when the users migrate to a proper workstation one at the time, they wont know the difference [10:21] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:21] akonadi is pretty well thought out... a migration service :-) [10:21] aha I see. I love imap great stuff [10:22] i wish he'd pull his ass out and release samba4 [10:22] he can add features later in subrevs [10:22] you can just pull the git [10:22] Old_Fogie: I suspect we'll see a similar situation as the rest of the "office suite", while Open Office is readily available and certainly very usable, the worlds still seems to lean toward MSOffice, presumably because of a "de facto" effect [10:22] alpha6 is out :P [10:23] s/worlds/world [10:23] nille_ (i=1000@c-2763e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:23] rk4n3, I've always said if OO could get an email/pim client and a usable database, they'd be an incredible choice to corp imo [10:24] Is libcurl in slackware compiled with support for gnutls? [10:25] Old_Fogie: agreed ... interestingly, I could offer a "small" counter-example, though ... [10:25] nille_: find out with something like: ldd /usr/lib/libcurl.so | grep tls [10:25] rk4n3, go ahead [10:25] Old_Fogie: I have a client that I've switched to primarily linux-based computing, they use thunderbird for email clients, no exchange, and they have Open Office [10:26] doesn't look like it :( i guess i need to recompile it then [10:26] nille_: right, but try again grepping for sll [10:26] er, ssl [10:26] Old_Fogie: yet, they insist on buying MS Excel and installing it just because they like a couple of the user interface quirks [10:26] Old_Fogie: it makes me headdesk all the time [10:26] I mean do you have a reason to prefer gnutls over openssl? [10:26] rk4n3: I blame the "my mother" effect [10:27] rk4n3, yes that's an option for sure. In our bus the biggest issue is use of data across the apps is the biggest obstacle with libre' at this time. [10:27] Old_Fogie: http://home.kde.org/~akademy06/videos/aKademy06-Akonadi_-_The_KDE_4_PIM_Framework_-_Tobias_Koenig.ogg (280MB) [10:27] She got a new laptop, hadn't yet installed office, sasked for a simple program she could do a shopping list in. [10:27] fred: vim :) [10:27] I showed her notepad; after 10 minutes, she started installing Word because notepad was `too complicated' [10:27] wtf? [10:27] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [10:28] fred: I take it you like blondes huh? [10:28] separate from "de facto" is "it's all I'm comfortable with" [10:28] Alan_Hicks: .... that's my mum [10:28] Urchlay there is ssl [10:28] Old_Fogie: I definitely agree with your point there, but just want to point out that my "counter example" doesn't fit that scenario - they're not using data across apps much at all, and where they do its handled by their MySQL database ... they really simply want the dumb little button in Excel that it takes two steps in Open Office [10:28] ##slackware: mode change '-o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [10:28] hello people [10:28] she's also computer-literate enough to still occasionallyu write cobol :p [10:28] Urchlay my bankid client needs it [10:29] fred: Well, is she blond? I might like her. [10:29] nille_: it needs a libcurl specifically compiled with gnutls instead of openssl? That sounds like a really weird requirement... [10:29] it's binary [10:29] rk4n3, yes agreed. I'm a big believer in having to type one thing once as much as possible. Excel is a good app tho, but OO is coming along for sure. [10:29] No. She's also married to my father :p [10:29] Urchlay yes i think so 2 [10:30] rk4n3: poked mangement with estimated cost of getting a dev to add said button to OOo calc versus excel license cost? [10:30] Old_Fogie: yeah, though I think its against the very nature of software for apps to truly get that close to each other, and choosing software based on taking such microscopic whims as "requirements" seems just so wrong to me [10:31] fred: that's actually a good idea - no, I haven't done that yet [10:31] nille_: I'm pretty sure you can't compile curl with both openssl and gnutls, wonder how much stuff would break if you replaced /usr/lib/libcurl.so with a gnutls version... you better compile & install in an oddball place (--prefix=/usr/local/bankidcrap/ or something) [10:31] rk4n3, at first glance yes. But for us, in actuality, it saves so much time, money having that integration. Can't even put a price on it for our use. [10:32] dont worry... one day, on the cover of Fortune Magazine, there will be some young hotshot who made his company grow 7 times faster than everyone else because he *started out* with Free Software... that will make all the other braindead "i have no clue about computers"-management get the idea that they will go brankrupt if they dont change *naow* [10:33] macavity, is that a good thing? [10:33] rk4n3, I look at someone typing a fax number into a fax cover for a number that's in the database as lost money, multiply that by number of emlployee over the years, etc etc it's immense the savings (small example but you get the drift) [10:33] macavity: that's probably closer to the truth than we all realize [10:33] slackytude: it will result in a lot of usefull bug reports :P [10:33] rk4n3: thats usually how it goes [10:34] macavity, heh, thats probably true [10:34] i know that i can evangalize my arse off to little effect [10:35] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [10:35] Old_Fogie: agreed - but we have that level of integration via a MySQL database and ODBC ... I'm more talking about something like the specific behavior of a button, in this case its the "summation" button, which in Excel defaults to summing up both across and down for a selected block of cells, where OpenOffice just sums in the selected direction [10:35] put when someone says "we used X dollars on re-education, and now we save Y dollars a year, which has made our stocs go up Z points" people listen [10:35] rk4n3, ah ok [10:35] Urchlay well i will ask them why they use gnutls instead of ssl [10:36] rk4n3, ya know, I find koffice database more useable for 'hooking' in then OO's [10:36] Urchlay thanks for your help :) [10:37] Old_Fogie: koffice is likely to eat OOo at some point [10:37] Old_Fogie, eh, koffice wasnt behaving well, last time I tried it [10:37] Old_Fogie: I've never actually used OO's database, I've always just hooked OO apps to other databases through ODBC or JDBC [10:37] Old_Fogie, te koffice db that is [10:37] their database is light years ahead of OO I find [10:37] oh, you mean koffice DB vs OO DB? [10:37] slayes [10:37] Old_Fogie: ah, that might be true, but is koffice's database light years ahead of MySQL ? [10:37] tab fail heh [10:38] they are pretty much both sucky, imho [10:38] OO Base is ok if you use it with mysql or some other "real" db [10:38] rk4n3, no but you'll never see a small office ever ever ever design/use/implement mysql either (small office in my reference there meaning .."has no IT guy") [10:38] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.153.32.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:39] those are a tresure... the places that has no IT staff [10:39] Old_Fogie: yeah, I see your point - its a "step up" in difficulty to get a "real" DBMS going ... [10:39] macavity, they're gold mines. [10:40] nothing works, everything has holes in it, and they give you free lunch just to change cartridge in the printer :P [10:40] the places where you find a access db whith thousand rows and each of the row has a colum for pi [10:40] lol [10:40] if pi might change in future or something [10:40] :P [10:40] you laugh but I had a customer like that [10:40] >_< [10:40] I laugh because half of my customers are like that :) [10:41] lol, I see [10:41] macavity, see I talk to other business owners in local business group here. And many of them make their own databases for their needs in ms access. those guys/gals have no IT guy. they use the wizard make a database, business moves on. koffice DB is really coming along, almost to the point I think many of them colleauges friends could use it. I do not think OO is there at all yet, which is a shame inmy book. [10:41] the only thing the human race seems to guard with prudent vigor is their stupidity.... [10:41] macavity: and their pr0n [10:41] heh [10:41] no.. stupidity superseedes backups [10:42] haha [10:42] I'm actually shocked OO doesnt target the SOHO, as SOHO is the largest part of the employement base here in US, and most other countries as well. [10:42] I guess I really dislike access not because of itself but because I have seen so much crap implemented in it [10:42] muraii (n=muraii@unaffiliated/muraii) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Old_Fogie, SOHO? [10:42] Old_Fogie: great point [10:42] small office home office [10:42] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:42] ah, kay [10:42] SOHO is the largest employer (next to government) heh [10:43] koffice is targeting the soho segment.. OOo should take on the "big iron" [10:43] ... OOo at least has some capital backing [10:43] I thought OO was targeting SOHO [10:43] koffice can't compete with MS Office due to requiring KDE. [10:43] s/KDE/kdelibs/ [10:43] josemanuel (n=josemanu@125.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:44] macavity, yes koffice , I can see in near future at a point a SOHO guy/gal put on their desktop, open koffice, make a database for custmoers, orders, inventory and life move on. As they grow, they hire IT who moves that opendata to mysql. OO is really really dropping the ball I think. [10:44] kde runs under windows now... [10:44] SOHOs aren't going to switch to using a Linux desktop anytime soon. Expect business adoption of desktop Linux to start with very large businesses. [10:44] Alan_Hicks: the win32 version of koffice-2.0-alpha.something that i tried was not all that bad [10:44] Alan_Hicks, seen kde on Windows yet? it's impressive (alpha stages but coming along nice) [10:44] Arguably, this has already begun due to IBM. [10:44] yes, its impressiv [10:45] Old_Fogie: Actually, yes I have, and discussed packaging KDE for Windows with the primary developer in person. [10:45] Alan_Hicks: maybe a little due to Dell too ? seems they're pretty friendly to providing their boxen with linux ... [10:45] But it's just not there yet, and it isn't a big focus. [10:45] Action: Old_Fogie thinks KDE on Windows is going to be a gateway drug for SOHO (or has the potential too if marketed correctly) [10:45] probably a stupid question, but, what's a SOHO? [10:45] I don't think any office alternative has a chance if it has such heavy requirements. I use linux and I don't use koffice because I don't use kde.. OOo has much better chances, imho (and I love it) [10:45] small office home office [10:45] josemanuel: ^^ [10:45] I wish I could remember the guys name... [10:45] "...from SOHO down to Brighton, I must have played them all..." [10:46] (eh, maybe not) [10:46] Urchlay, neil young? [10:46] Kaapa: you dont need to run KDE to run koffice [10:46] The Who, dude! [10:46] where does people get that i idea? [10:46] the who/elton john [10:46] Pinball Wizard :) [10:46] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [10:46] i dont need to run gnome to run GTK apps either [10:46] Yeah you don't have to run the phonon in KDE 4 on windows to run koffice at all. [10:47] makes a start menu entry and everything [10:47] Pinball wizard is great [10:47] what on earth does phonon have to do with koffice? [10:47] Yeah if I were younger and into the FOSS stuff, I think I'd be starting a side business hitting up SOHO's ... I see some money there for sure. [10:48] Old_Fogie, been there done that [10:48] Old_Fogie: i considered doing custom Asterisk/OpenPBX installs [10:48] slackytude, heh yes note the "side" part heh [10:48] Old_Fogie: there definitely is money there - my "moonlighting" side-business is pretty much focused on them [10:48] fred, nothing, that's the point [10:48] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:49] when you can undercut pepl/e like Nortel by 80% it's a goldmine! [10:49] Old_Fogie, it worked quite good until I got troule with drivers license and police :( [10:49] Zordrak, yes and SOHO likes saving money for usre. [10:49] Old_Fogie: I can start koffice without phonon on linux too... ¬_¬ [10:49] Zordrak: If you undercut them by 80% you won't get any business. [10:50] Beat them by 20% on price and you'll have people beating down your door. [10:50] Old_Fogie: reason was.. we were looking for a company to do it for us and there were *NONE* [10:50] Alan_Hicks, that's true, *never* leave "that much money on the table" :) [10:50] also, phonon is part of Qt or kde-support (depending on which branch you look at), not kde ayway [10:50] Alan_Hicks: note ** "can ** [10:50] fred, the point was you dont need a fully running kde on win to run koffice [10:50] rk4n3, moonlighting? [10:50] slackytude: google [10:51] slackytude: yeah, I have a full-time "day job", and I "moonlight" with my own company on the side [10:51] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] squosl (n=squosl@32.152.241.181) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Action: fred doesn't think that even needing a full kdelibs + all of kde-support would be a blocker to deployment on windows [10:51] rk4n3, that's the way I started [10:51] Old_Fogie: if there's a better/smarter way to actually start a business, I sure haven't been able to figure it out ;) [10:51] just have an installer that does them all for you, say "Installing required libraries" or something, tadah, users don't care that it installed all of kdelibs. [10:51] never heard that term I think. until it means showing someone else your naked ass [10:52] s/untill/unless [10:52] slackytude: no .. that is "mooning" [10:52] Oh, wait, windows; that should be labelled "Installing the .KDE 4 Runtime" [10:52] ah, well, close [10:52] rk4n3, patience, dilligence, more patience (and lot's of booze in there somewhere) [10:52] Old_Fogie: definitely [10:52] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Action: slackytude does the fag burning thingy [10:53] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-406736.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [10:54] Yeah if you're young, working for someone, and know computers and don't have a side company and are not getting the tax breaks it's a shame. Since even if you lose money it's filed as hobby any how. Tis how the rich get richer. [10:54] "You just won the Microsoft Corporation Award $2.5 Million Dollars and a Dell laptop" [10:54] Old_Fogie: the problem is finding a niche side-business [10:54] sigh [10:55] You really like a dell on top of 2.5 mill [10:55] Zordrak: that's kinda what we were talking about - SOHO as the "niche side-business" [10:55] Old_Fogie: to make cash you need customers and something to give them [10:55] Zordrak: ... providing pseudo-IT for SOHO's, that is [10:56] and start up capital generally [10:56] rk4n3, sure is. Even to this day, we (my bus) services them. They need hand holding, they're limited in staff. But if you do a job once, the retention rate of them as customers is splendid. [10:56] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [10:56] rk4n3: that reqs a lot of physical presence.. at least to start with [10:56] and some recommendations at least [10:56] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Old_Fogie: indeed - been working with some of my customers for probably 6 years or better [10:57] hizb (n=root@125.167.186.6) joined ##slackware. [10:57] hizb: you should not IRC as root [10:57] Zordrak: actually, I've found SOHO's to be very friendly to the idea of allowing remote work in exchange for savings [10:57] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [10:57] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [10:57] Zordrak, friends of mine at the local business group, now remember these are one or two person companies, many times a wife and husband right, they dont even know about backing up or even where to begin. [10:58] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [10:58] small slack box + $backup-app-name + minimal service contract per year = a start [10:58] Old_Fogie: exactly [10:58] toss in apache with some egroupware [10:58] hizb (n=root@125.167.186.6) left irc: Client Quit [10:59] courrier imap [10:59] Old_Fogie: and a DBMS [10:59] maybe a sync to palm pilot or smart phone [10:59] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-406736.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:59] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:59] my best job was a slack server with camera surveilance software [10:59] I guess my point is, many of them [11:00] SOHO's is, a company that sells widgets, know nothing of software , computers, and hiring a consultant is just out of the question. [11:00] in the traditional sense [11:00] Joker_-__ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:01] slackytude, yea that sounds interesting too, target gas stations with that [11:01] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [11:01] man gas stations only owned by one person, even tho it's franchised [11:01] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) joined ##slackware. [11:01] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [11:02] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) left irc: [11:02] BringingSexyBack (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Many towns have the small business groups, I say go to them, talk to people there, tell them you're thinking of a company like that, heh you'll definitely walk out with some business cards for sure [11:03] woohoo i'm using a friend's sony vaio dual 1.6ghz core 2 duo machine and it's actually very fast and linux-friendly [11:03] he was nice enough to let me install Slackware on it [11:03] hizb (n=root@125.167.186.6) joined ##slackware. [11:03] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [11:03] hizb: you should not IRC as root [11:04] Action: macavity has a dejavu [11:04] macavity, maybe you should not irc while having dejavu :P [11:04] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:04] there's an echo in here [11:04] [11:05] Old_Fogie, good idea, actually. altho its probably cheaper to get a good VCR [11:06] hizb (n=root@125.167.186.6) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[11:12] lw0x15, you mean booting from an usb mass storage device ? [11:12] kjell (i=kjellkod@codebase.nu) left irc: "leaving" [11:12] Nick change: Kjelle -> kjell [11:12] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk161.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:12] well i wanna buy 1tb external and put an OS there [11:13] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:13] well i guess i will be able to [11:13] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:14] if your computer is able to boot from usb why not ? [11:14] lw0x15: wtf? [11:15] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:15] why put an OS on a 1TB disk? [11:15] sister laptops hdd is dying [11:15] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [11:15] sisters laptop* [11:15] ffs [11:15] soooo [11:16] alch (n=alch@78-28-87-148.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Nick change: alch -> Karu [11:18] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.88) joined ##slackware. [11:19] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.78) joined ##slackware. [11:21] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [11:24] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-252.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:25] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:26] lw0x15: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [11:26] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:27] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [11:28] agentc0reWORK (n=chatzill@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Hm, is the only solution to install gimpshop to create a slackbuild by my self? [11:29] Zordrak: Hey, you still around? [11:33] macavity: i know i know >_> was a stupid Q [11:34] kjell: You might be able to edit the slackbuild for Slack 11.0 to work with 12.x (whichever you're running). [11:35] agentc0reWORK: not today... leaving now.. off to do manual labouf for £13/hr [11:35] ttfn [11:36] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.148.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:37] muraii: Do I easily know what to be changed or do I have to know a bit more about linux and my system than I know of today? Using 12.2 [11:38] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [11:38] xroberx (n=chat@183.Red-88-0-94.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Exit" [11:39] kjell: if you dont know... use the defaults [11:39] Zordrak: Ok, thanks! [11:40] NOW im gone :) [11:41] BringingSexyBack (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [11:41] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.210.93) left irc: [11:43] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [11:43] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] reaver___ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:44] well anyone else around that uses horde groupware? [11:45] kjell: it looks like it [11:45] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] kjell: however, it unless gimpshop has introduced some aditional dependencies, it should compile right out of the box [11:46] Haha I got a problem with finding GIMP-PRINT config-script and Check for libgimpprint failed. [11:46] kjell: if you just need a package for yourself, you dont have to make a slackbuild though [11:46] No? [11:46] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [11:46] kjell: manual package creation is not deficoult with GNU software, as it supports DESTDIR [11:46] kjell: Hey, i recommend using src2pkg kjell. [11:46] kjell: i make a lot of my own packages that way. [11:47] StealthAsimov_ (n=andy@194.47.187.155) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:47] makepkg does the trick too.. and it is available [11:47] Hm, so "man makepkg" should help me then. Will take a look at it [11:48] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:48] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) joined ##slackware. [11:49] nille_ (i=1000@c-2763e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:49] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.78) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:50] kjell: the short version: mkdir /some/place/for/package; tar xvf gimpshop-x.y.z.tar.gz; cd gimpshop-x.y.z; ./configure --prefix=/usr --other-options-as-you-like; make; DESTDIR=/some/place/for/package make install; cd /some/place/for/package; makepkg -l y -c y gimpshop-x.y.z-kjell.tgz [11:50] kjell: split that up to single lines and look at it untill you get struck at how easy it actually is :P [11:51] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009155142.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:51] hi guys :D [11:51] 'ello [11:51] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-948cb4075f6cbeda) left irc: [11:51] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:51] matt5 (n=river@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:52] macavity: Thanks! It looks pretty easy actually. It's the -l y that looks scary but it aint that scary. I will actually try to install Zend Studio using that right now. [11:52] kjell: in the above you should only be root for the makepkg part [11:53] kjell: -l y is there because it is costumary to not include the symlinks in the archive, but rather in a script that gets executed once the files are extracted [11:53] kjell: -c y is to make absolutly sure that root owns the files [11:53] Yeah, read in the manual. It looks easy. Although hard to remember it all at a beginning :D [11:54] kjell: if you look in /var/log/scripts/ you will see how these looks like.. there is one for each package on the system [11:55] oh [11:56] 1) create dir for binary package. 2) extract source. 3) configure source. 4) compile source to binaries. 5) install to created dir. 6) run makepkg on it to get a true slackware package [11:56] just remember the checklist :P [11:56] all the magic is the "DESTDIR=/where/to/put/it/ make install" [11:56] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk161.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Operation timed out [11:56] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiw14.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:57] and again, only run the makepkg part as root [11:57] Anderson_Kaiser (n=alpkaise@mailhost01.hitech.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:57] i hosed my system the other day because of a typo during make install, because i was root [11:57] Anderson_Kaiser (n=alpkaise@mailhost01.hitech.com.br) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [11:57] fortunately "slackpkg reinstall d" handled that for me :P [11:58] :D [11:58] yes... i managed to utterly break my entire tool chain :-/ [11:58] lol [11:58] dont ever attempt to install elfutils on slackware.. it is, and probably always will be, a fedora/redhat gizmo [11:58] .. at least untill the changes go into mainline binutils [11:58] hmmm [11:58] Not all my apps shows up in the taskbar at fluxbox. Any idéa of why? [11:59] i dunno.. im stricktly a KDE kinda guy :P [11:59] KDE looks like Windows :D [11:59] Do you like Windows? [11:59] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:00] kjell: nonsense. [12:00] lol [12:00] what kind of question is that? [12:00] why do you think kde looks like windows? [12:00] BP{k}: 4.2 does [12:00] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:00] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:00] i use it because it works well for me [12:00] WM + panel is all i need =p [12:00] let the flameware begin! :P [12:00] Oh no, I got the KDE-team after me. [12:00] :D [12:00] kde godt windows, windows got windows... I can see why [12:00] Action: lw0x15 fluxbox support comes in [12:00] lw0x15: yey! [12:01] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Action: thrice` thinks the "I don't use kde because it looks like windows" comments are quite lame [12:01] and gnome looks like MacOS.. and in the end we all look like something Xeros invented 30 years ago [12:01] Na, I don't use KDE because i never liked it. [12:01] Action: IrquiM agree with thrice [12:02] once i found i tried fluxbox [12:02] never looked back [12:02] besides.. most the time i just pull down yakuake and do what i gotta do :P [12:02] dont even know why i dont like gnome/kde.. [12:02] lw0x15: Tell me a possible solution. Not all apps shows up in the taskbar. Im disturbed :D [12:03] kjell: which ones [12:03] i think like 2 other people here use openbox =p [12:03] The one showing what apps I've got open. [12:03] I like xfce. [12:03] yeah which apps [12:03] ah :D [12:03] which app doesnt show up [12:03] eg, the name of it? [12:04] Like... Firefox. And its download-app. [12:04] If I close Gimp I see firefox. It's like the bar is to wide. [12:04] too* [12:05] I've got dualscreen if that has to do with it for some reason. [12:07] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:07] o.O pretty weird [12:07] lol! [12:07] maybe it is too wide ? :)) [12:07] It was set to "on all heads" [12:07] oh [12:07] >_> [12:07] So it WAS wide. But in my settings, the right handed screen is a bit "over" the other one. So it was down there somewhere :D [12:08] fail [12:08] Win that I solved it. [12:08] how did you made it like that in the first place [12:09] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.51) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Made that setting? [12:09] accident ? [12:09] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] goga_ (n=goga@88.85.223.93) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Default, or accident. [12:09] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [12:10] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:10] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: "leaving" [12:10] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.146) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Good afternoon [12:11] it's still 9am here... [12:11] oh, good $TIMEOFDAY :P [12:12] fail >.> [12:12] Action: lw0x15 throws a bucket of wins [12:12] Does anyone knows if there's a way to compile shellscript ? [12:12] nope... [12:13] Why would you want to :S [12:13] not that i know of... it's kinda, ya know, read by the shell.... [12:13] There's something called shellgard on solaris, I thought that there might be something similar on Linux [12:14] go back to solaris then, you insensitive clod =p [12:14] for obfuscation, or? [12:14] fred, I wanted because I would like to avoid someone to read it [12:14] I mean, the code [12:14] rot13 it and make a wrapper script that unrot13s it, executes it, and goes back ¬_¬ [12:15] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [12:15] >.> [12:15] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.10.237) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Action: rk4n3 waves at nullboy [12:15] xvaq bs yvxr guvf serq? [12:15] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.10.237) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:15] :) [12:15] Khratos: it looks like you picked the wrong tool for the job [12:15] Also, even `compiled', it would be really quite easy to reverse-engineer most shell scripts by looking at what processes they spawn with what arguments :p [12:16] it's *really* the wrong tool for the job if you want something redistributable and unreadable :p [12:16] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.10.237) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Action: Necos pokes nullboy with a cattleprod [12:16] yes macavity :P [12:16] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:16] Khratos: why, may i ask, do you want it to be unreadable? [12:17] he probably has passwords in cleartext [12:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] Khratos: you are not attempting some stupid "security by obscurity" scenario, right? [12:17] No Necos :P, I'm not crazy [12:17] macavity: it's used to twarth an alien civilasation intent on destroying us [12:17] then there's no problem [12:17] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [12:17] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [12:17] Khratos: certificate from your shrink or you are ;) [12:17] afternoon all [12:17] Khratos: file ownership/permissions are typically used to prevent unwanted reading [12:17] it's still morning >.> [12:17] BP{k}: i thought all such programs were written in lisp? [12:18] no, because those programs become self-aware [12:18] Yes but I don't want the code to be modified either [12:18] goga_ (n=goga@88.85.223.93) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [12:18] Wrong tool :p [12:18] wrong crowd to ask... [12:18] try #msdn or some such :P [12:18] join #microsoft, sorry bad joke etc. [12:18] then use a binary distribution method, like *cough*java*cough* lol [12:18] If you love something, set it free. [12:19] muraii: nice quote [12:19] Action: macavity takes note [12:19] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-406736.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:20] macavity: Danke. [12:20] bitte :-) [12:20] Khratos: Are you being protective of some "intellectual property," or is this some kind of porn ring tool? [12:20] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] anyone have KDE 4.1/4.2 working with Slack AND the desktop effects? [12:20] lol [12:20] josemanuel (n=josemanu@125.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [12:21] fuzzbawl: not on my current [work] PC, but yes, at home [12:21] muraii, no porn, I'm christian by Lord's grace. Its something about intellectual property [12:21] fuzzbawl: it is probably heavily dependant on what graphics chip/driver [12:21] Khratos: this "intelectual property" thing is a sin :P [12:21] IP on an opensource OS? blasphemy? [12:22] My guess is, to fred's point, if the RIAA can't get sophisticated DRM to work against efforts to thwart it, bash scripts aren't the right tool. [12:22] just include a license agreement =p [12:22] Necos: Exactly. [12:22] In my country copyright is not respected :) [12:22] Khratos: set the ownership and permissions of the script such that users who are not supposed to be able to see the script can't, and then use sudo to allow execution of the script to users who are to be allowed [12:22] brb [12:22] macavity: I've got two nVidia GeForce 7600GT's (individual cards, not SLI). The Composite and Damage extensions load but KDE still says they aren't present [12:22] the math of that one is pretty simple: if you distribute the key and the encrypted material to the same user... that user will decrypt it :P [12:22] thrice`: might I trouble you for your xorg.conf at some point? I think I'm missing a config line somewhere [12:23] rk4n3, I'm aware of that, but , have you seen cPanel installation script ? [12:23] fuzzbawl: to get desktop effects.. with kde 4.x.. I didn't have to touch xorg.conf [12:23] even if there's a part readable , other parts are not [12:23] well, I have an intel card, and un-altered xorg.conf from X -configure [12:23] fuzzbawl: sorry, i dont know sh*t about nvidias poison ware [12:23] mbhayes: yea but things dont hate you like they do me [12:23] [ in shower ] [12:23] macavity: it's amazing how many end users fail to realize that, and how many distributors think its a Good Idea [12:24] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: "Leaving" [12:24] hrm. I might re-run X -configure and see what it throws [12:24] Khratos: well, readable or not, what is the problem you're trying to solve ? If its simply access to the script, then the technique I mentioned should suffice [12:25] My english is really bad, I'm not expressing myself ok., Let me try it better [12:25] OK [12:25] cPanel have some parts of it installation script in clear text, other ones are like encrypted, looks like when you do a 'cat ' [12:26] brb, hopefully [12:26] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [12:26] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Khratos: are you sure that the binary parts are just binary file contents to be written out to files ? [12:26] Karu (n=alch@78-28-87-148.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [12:26] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [12:26] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:27] That's something Im not completely sure, as they do not disclose details about the installation script itself, but I saw a tool that 'compiles' shellscript , on solaris [12:27] I was looking something similar for Linux, if it exists [12:28] you're talking about shar? that's not actually encrypted, it's uuencoded or base64 or such [12:28] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:28] smart says my 1tb seagate has uncorrectable errors :'( [12:29] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [12:29] Not really Urchlay [12:29] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] if you do an wget to layer2 dot cpanel dot net / latest , you could see the file I have mentioned [12:30] just as refference [12:30] slysir (n=kvirc@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:30] anyone ever heard the term "TOC" in referring to a server hard-reset or some such ? [12:31] macavity: turns out i'm just dumb. Xinerama and Compositing don't mix still [12:31] twinview does, xinerama doesn't :( [12:31] Khratos: http://www.comeaucomputing.com/faqs/ccshlit.html <-- I guess that is similar to what you are looking for. [12:31] Khratos: I'm not familiar with any such thing - sounds unfortunate [12:32] fred: i'll just stick to four displays then :( [12:32] Thanks BP{k} , I will look at it and keep searching [12:32] in slightly related news: http://xkcd.com/538/ [12:32] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-d6663f1ffd0daa66) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120908]" [12:33] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:35] Khratos: well I'm bored enough, wgetting now :) [12:35] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [12:36] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:36] matt5 (n=river@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:37] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Khratos: it might just be that the binary stuff is a .tar.gz (the script has a --tar option to mess with it) [12:38] kilasmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] Interesting [12:38] Khratos: in fact if you delete all the readable lines from the script and save the binary garbage, then "tar tvf" can read it [12:39] Urchlay: gah, I was just gonna try that :) [12:40] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: "Saindo" [12:40] although at the end: gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file [12:41] (possibly because vim "helpfully" added a \n at the end of the file) [12:42] so, uh, what the heck is this, anyway? /me too lazy to look at the site :) [12:43] It is the installation script of cPanel [12:43] It does a lot of downloads and configuration stuffs [12:44] so like a fancy commercial webmin-like thing? [12:45] yes, very powerful to be honest [12:45] I think it is almost comletely written in Perl [12:46] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-252.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:46] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.132.8) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Urchlay: yeah. I just did a quick test but instead of vim used mcedit ... works fine (without the gzip::stdin error. [12:48] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [12:49] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:49] mindbendr (n=mindbend@94-194-128-38.zone8.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [12:50] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [12:51] BP{k}: GF calls and says: "food in twenty minutes, kids sleeping at freinds tonight, sex at 21:00".. how can one NOT love that? :P [12:51] http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=77382 [12:51] observe that i live 90 seconds of casual walking away :P [12:51] that's gay [12:51] haha [12:52] josemanuel (n=josemanu@125.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:53] lol [12:53] so .. what do you do between 19:30 - 21:00? ;) [12:53] BP{k}: eat, have coffee, wait for last kid to disapear? [12:53] lowkyalur (n=low@icm9-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:53] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [12:54] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:54] the only "problem" with her is that when she cooks it takes quite a while for me to get full [12:54] hahahaha [12:54] "thats what she said too" ;) [12:54] lol [12:54] lol [12:54] lol [12:54] meat, thick brown gravy and potatoes.. that can fill a man [12:54] i saw that coming a mile away :) [12:55] macavity: I downloaded the tar.gz from the Zend website. Although, it's in a bin-format. I suppose I can't follow your directions then? [12:55] but $RANDOM_ITEM from the middle east, with little bits of chicken in $SPICE and X different salds takes a while [12:56] kjell: i dont have much experience with re-packing binaries [12:56] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:56] Oh, I knew it was going to be trouble somewhere. :D [12:57] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [12:57] kjell: but i suppose that if you find a usable directory inside it with usr/ and freinds, you can just run makepkg on that [12:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:57] How do I look inside it? Should I unpack it or something? [12:57] after all, that is what makepkg does... it moves symlinks to a script and tar the thing up [12:57] that might be a good idea, yes [12:58] its kinda hard to look inside a safe without opening it first :P [12:58] anyhows... time for FOOOOOOD!!!! [12:58] :D [12:58] bastard ;) [12:58] Action: macavity wanders off to wine, dine and sixtynine ;-) [12:58] have fun macavity [12:59] what [12:59] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:59] I used sh and launched the bin? [12:59] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:59] pizza time [12:59] I think I should read man's of the apps I'm using BEFORE launching them :D [13:00] i had a dream last night in which i was infiltrating an office building in an industrial park and while i was doing it a hot chick took my attention and ruined the whole operation [13:00] fuzzbawl: very true [13:00] nullboy, sounds good [13:00] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:00] bostik (n=bostik@213-209-160-195.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: "Sto andando via" [13:00] mwnn (n=user@59.96.201.139) joined ##slackware. [13:00] mwnn (n=user@59.96.201.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:01] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] _dieter_ (n=dieterjo@92.116.152.176) joined ##slackware. [13:07] So anyone here ever read, Ender's Game? [13:07] guitarma14 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] agentc0reWORK: nod... about 10 years ago. [13:07] No, but I've seen Benders Game! [13:07] won't remember the detaisl. [13:08] Oh, well i was just going to say i found out last night that they scrapped the movie idea. :( [13:09] agentc0reWORK: that's kind of a bummer. I'll bet it would be tricky to make into an actually *good* movie, though. [13:09] Yes! I've just got Zend Studio to work on my slack. Never thought I would get that to work but it was actually very simple. [13:10] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [13:10] beej71: Yes, and thats why it got scrapped. Card really wanted kids to play the part, but as I'm sure you've already guessed, it's hard to get smart kids that are actors. [13:11] pizza is on the way [13:11] agentc0reWORK: and Ender's emotional state in the last bit of the story is pretty intense. You'd need an actor who could pull that off effectively. [13:11] Am I the only geek who read Ender's Game and didn't really like it? [13:11] enders game is great [13:12] didnt like the follow up much, whatever its called [13:12] slackytude: Totally.. Just really sucks the movie isn't going to be made. [13:12] speaker for the death I think [13:12] slackytude: Speaker for the Dead... different stuff. [13:12] well same series [13:12] but different tone, I mean [13:12] same charachter [13:12] Alan_Hicks: I'm a geek.. I didn't read it.. [13:12] yeah [13:13] Alan_Hicks: I read it when I was about 12 and really liked it [13:13] agentc0re, huh? there was a movie planned? [13:13] re-read it 20 years later and thought, "well it was OK I guess" [13:13] Alan_Hicks: probably not the only one. I thought it was good, but it was no Cryptonomicon. ;) [13:13] I have read the whole series as far squeals go. The Parallel books i've not read. [13:13] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [13:13] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [13:13] I just couldn't suspend disbelief when I read it. I kept saying to myself... "This dude's just a little kid. He can't do this crap." [13:13] there's been a movie in planning for years [13:13] Alan_Hicks, Its Ender! [13:13] So? [13:14] the sequels really didn't do much for me [13:14] not just a little kid; like the 100th percentile little kid. [13:14] What Ender can't do, nobody can [13:14] So? He's still a little kid. [13:14] apparently Card keeps churning out sequels/prequels to this day, but I gave up on it [13:14] v4nelle (n=van@adsl87-238.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] And his brother and sister, were they 100th percentile kids too? [13:14] well, yeah, I get your point. but what would stories be without heros? [13:14] Alan_Hicks, about ender's game: http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html [13:14] the 2 middle sequels are boring, a few parts are interesting and get the mind moving but most of it is just text. The last book is very interesting. [13:15] Alan_Hicks: I gathered they were more like 97 and 99. [13:15] hercules couldnt do it either [13:15] they did engage in some pretty large-scale social engineering. [13:15] I just kept saying to myself, this kid wouldn't be able to pull the trigger. [13:16] slackytude: the story of Hercules is fanatasy... Ender's Game is supposed to be science fiction [13:16] Now had he been a grown man who'd been trained all his life, that would be another story entirely. [13:16] http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0642401/ [13:16] Urchlay, still fiction [13:16] Alan_Hicks: eh? wouldn't be able to pull the trigger, as in, would wimp out? he didn't even know the final battle was for real, he thought it was just another simulation [13:17] giuppy (n=giuppy@host196-111-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:17] that was the point of it [13:17] Wouldn't be able to pull the trigger has other meanings in the novel, like when he killed that kid. [13:17] giuppy (n=giuppy@host252-160-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Also, the whole martial arts crap... it's exactly that... crap. [13:17] rrr, forgot about him killing the other kid [13:17] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [13:17] I do believe little kids are capable of murder, but not sane ones [13:17] ah, right [13:18] there are lots of child soldiers, tho [13:18] (guess Ender wasn't supposed to be sane anyway) [13:18] A little 8 or 9 y/o boy no matter how much training he has wouldn't be able to just dominate some one three or four years older and a foot taller. [13:18] In all honesty, i think the book would be a great pixar movie. I don't think it can ever be accomplished with real people. [13:18] Alan_Hicks: before I take that bet, how much training does the taller guy have? :) [13:19] agentc0reWORK: last I heard, they were planning to use the kid from star wars ep 1 (but he'd be too old by now) [13:19] agentc0reWORK: ooo. I like that idea. cg it. [13:19] Urchlay: look at my last link, and cry. [13:19] joachim (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [13:19] beej71: I don't recall, but given that they all had access to the same training, I'd say he would be above average for a kid his age. [13:19] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [13:20] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [13:20] well, but at least there will be new episodes of Red Dwarf [13:20] Above average though, does not make him some black-belt in Brazillian jujitsu or Mui Thai, which Ender came off as being. [13:20] nille_ (i=1000@c-2763e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:20] ooh, yah, I saw that about new red dwarf [13:20] I just hope they wont suck [13:20] good afternoon slackers [13:20] slackytude: well it's all original cast, and they haven't aged too much (what's it been, 10 years?) [13:21] or closer to 15 I guess, maybe they have aged too much [13:21] Urchlay, about ten years, yeah [13:21] and the original writer, too [13:21] Urchlay, but different writer [13:21] oh [13:21] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.132.8) left irc: "Leaving" [13:21] eh, must have mis-read that bit [13:21] Urchlay: but it's been one of the big aging decades. :) Chris Barrie was like 28 or something in series one. :) [13:21] well, only one of the original writers [13:21] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Barrie doesnt look much older, got a bit of weight tho [13:22] which is he, Lister? [13:22] Alan_Hicks: This is how i picture Ender and how it could be believable. Ever heard of Westboro Baptist church? Man those kids follow what they are told to do blindly. I think the same went for all the kids in the book. They didn't know any better and were trained to be mean and hateful and to fight. [13:22] joachim (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Client Quit [13:22] Urchlay, Rimmer [13:22] Like Rimmer said, "You've reached that age, Listy. When you were 24 you could eat what you liked, drink what you liked, and you could still fit into your 26-inch waist trousers. Then you turn 30 and one day you get out of bed and without any warning at all suddenly you're a fat bastard." [13:22] heh, yeah [13:23] I saw some kind of comedy show where they did a spoof of Iron Chef with the Red Dwarf cast [13:23] agentc0reWORK: And yet they are still kids. [13:23] Alan_Hicks: You pictured him being that? IMO i never did. Just as a confused kid, in a situation he really didn't want to be in but was doing what he was told and was just real smart on top of it all. [13:23] went throught every option in httpd.conf and did start/stop, still people cant access my webserv :-/ [13:23] lw0x15: do you have ports forwarded correctly from the outside? [13:23] Urchlay: Can't Smeg, Won't Smeg. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0255025/ [13:24] err for the outside. [13:24] agentc0reWORK: how do i check that :_/ [13:24] beej71: yeah, that's it [13:24] Also, where's the logic in the adults? "Ok guys, we can take a gamble here, roll the dice on this kid, and 'train' him by beating the shit out of him and making it impossible for him to win, then if he does win, we'll give him total control of our military operation." [13:24] Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to say... [13:24] lw0x15: do you have a firewall? [13:24] well router firewall [13:25] joachim (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [13:25] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] lw0x15: you would need to forward port 80 to whatever IP your webserver is internally. If you just want it to be accessed internally, you don't need to do this. [13:25] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) joined ##slackware. [13:25] "Ok, it's gonna take us 50 years or more to reach the bugs. Let's send the ships now and pick several young crews of candidates to be military officers, then train them for the next 50 years. We'll pick the best and brightest group of adults, tell them what the task ahead is, and make them generals capable of making smart decisions." [13:26] agentc0reWORK: as in internally you mean localhost ? [13:26] oh no [13:26] I mean, what sane person in the universe would consent to the first? [13:26] wahooooo7 (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got netsplit. [13:26] smyows (n=smyows@200.206.88.188) got netsplit. [13:26] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) got netsplit. [13:26] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) got netsplit. [13:26] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) got netsplit. [13:26] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) got netsplit. [13:26] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [13:26] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) got netsplit. [13:26] Action: lw0x15 kicks himself [13:26] Action: agentc0reWORK wants on the kicking train [13:27] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:27] goo1 (n=goo@cust-214-71.on2.ontelecoms.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:27] goo1 (n=goo@cust-214-71.on2.ontelecoms.gr) left ##slackware. [13:27] http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=bOzDAFUJAjI&NR=1 <-- The I'm-going-to-clean-up-my-home-now-so-I-can-get-back-to-slack-music for the moment. [13:28] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:28] lol [13:29] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [13:29] agentc0reWORK: could host.deny do anything ? [13:29] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] well, 2000 more or less [13:29] mwnn (n=user@59.96.201.139) joined ##slackware. [13:30] this sony vaio isn't too bad at all [13:30] hi, I am using slackware 12.2. I am unable to get the desired screen resolution (1024x768). I have already used the xorgsetup tool. [13:31] mwnn, what video driver? what kernel version? [13:31] TwinReverb, you were Bringbacksexy? [13:32] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) got lost in the net-split. [13:32] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) got lost in the net-split. [13:32] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) got lost in the net-split. [13:32] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [13:32] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) got lost in the net-split. [13:32] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) got lost in the net-split. [13:32] smyows (n=smyows@200.206.88.188) got lost in the net-split. [13:32] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [13:32] The video driver is "intel" and the kernel version is 2.6.27.7 [13:32] BringingSexyBack? yes [13:32] yeah, whatever [13:32] mwnn, what card? ("lspci | grep VGA") [13:32] i am able to get the resolution if I use the utility provided with xfce [13:33] TwinReverb: Intel corporation 82946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics Controller [13:34] mwnn: try just "X -configure" for your xorg.conf [13:34] did you read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ? [13:34] mwnn: are there any error lines "(EE)" in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [13:34] Let me see. [13:34] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:35] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Action: beej71 notices GLX failed to load. That's weird. [13:35] beej71: There are no "(EE)" lines [13:35] any (WW) ? [13:36] whirlwind! [13:36] mwnn: in the Screen section, you can try removing all modes except the one you want [13:36] mwnn: then when you try to start X it might error out with a message, like "no screens found". [13:36] beej71: I tried doing that [13:36] mwnn: it still started in teh lower res? [13:36] I did not get any error msg. It still sticks with 800x600 resolution [13:37] mwnn: could you provide your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to pastebin? [13:37] TwinReverb: There are lots of WW lines [13:37] lowkyalur: one moment. Let me do that [13:38] TwinReverb: what's WW (but WeightWatchers or Wrld f Warcraft?) [13:38] Warning [13:38] thx [13:38] aliase (n=aliase@76-10-181-174.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] mwnn: if you try X -configure for your xorg.conf, I think it will work pretty well :) [13:39] Nick change: wahcordian -> wahcordian|work [13:39] lowkyalur: http://pastebin.com/m5bd8d05b [13:40] lw0x15: back. host.deny, yes. don't deny yourself. [13:40] thrice`: I will try that now. logging out [13:40] mwnn (n=user@59.96.201.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:40] heh, funny idea. put localhost in host.deny [13:40] lw0x15: are you hosting your webserver on your pc or a different one? [13:40] smyows (n=smyows@200.206.88.188) joined ##slackware. [13:41] lw0x15, agentc0re the way to not deny yourself is to put "ALL: 127." in the hosts.allow [13:41] hav a look at the xorg.conf... that doesnt seem anywhere near "right, works" [13:41] mwnn (n=user@59.96.201.139) joined ##slackware. [13:41] X -configure does not help either. [13:42] TwinReverb: I'm not the one with the prob. [13:42] TwinReverb: good info though, thanks :D [13:42] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.173.55) joined ##slackware. [13:42] did you move the new config from /root/xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf before re-starting X ? [13:42] no. I am sorry [13:42] slysir (n=kvirc@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo" [13:43] mwnn (n=user@59.96.201.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:43] mwnn: try adding 'Modes "1024x768"' between lines 104 and 105 [13:43] hey btw what would you guys pay for a sony vaio vgn-c140g if bought used from a friend and one USB port (out of only two it has) does not work (but slackware works great with it and otherwise you can find no problems with it)? 250gb sata, core 2 duo 1.66ghz, intel onboard graphics, dual layer dvd burner.... [13:44] they retail refurbished for $623 [13:44] mwnn (n=user@59.96.201.139) joined ##slackware. [13:44] http://i42.tinypic.com/a310kk.png [13:44] is that true ? [13:44] also see if the Xorg.0.log mentions 1024x768 at all (like "not using mode 1024x768 because blah blah") [13:44] lw0x15: try 'slackware' [13:44] thrice`: The new xorg.conf does not work either [13:45] lowkyalur: i dont own xbox :( [13:45] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-119-223.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] lw0x15, think that was on /. [13:45] haha lw0x15 [13:45] lw0x15: not your machine that is? [13:45] i have this line in Xorg.0.log: (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x59.9 63.50 1024 1072 1176 1328 768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync (47.8 kHz) [13:45] TwinReverb: i don't like sony's, but probably... less $20 for the usb port? *shrug* [13:46] Action: TwinReverb shrugs too [13:46] it's not refurb: it's used, but seems to be in good condition [13:47] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009155142.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:47] and it's so tempting and addictive because it's lighter than my current model, and the specs are literally 2x everything on my other laptop [13:47] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [13:47] well, if you have access, i'd ask to be able to put it through its paces with a livecd or sth before buying... [13:47] mwnn (n=user@59.96.201.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:48] TwinReverb: the only advice I can give is always look at the price of current hardware that could replace it ... even if it goes for $xxx on ebay, if you can buy something new for $xxx + $nnn that performs better, or if nnn is very small, you might be better off with newer [13:48] mhmm [13:48] also, refurbs come with warranties... [13:48] which is never bad [13:50] mwnn: i forgot--you're getting 1024 but you want higher, si that right? [13:51] oh he's gone [13:51] beej71: he's gone, right... and no, he wanted to have 1024x768 ... dunno what he's got right now. [13:52] i was thinking maybe $500 [13:52] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [13:52] TwinReverb: the other side of the coin is: "as little as he is willing to accept for it" ... right? [13:52] lowkyalur: since he could set the res with the gui, I wonder if whatever desktop he's using is setting it lower by default. [13:52] actually, there's an auction for the exact same thing so i will watch it on eBay and then tell my friend that I will pay that price [13:52] lowkyalur: he should try starting fvwm or something and see if that leaves the res high [13:53] seems fair enough to me since then he's not paying shipping (nor am i) and i can knock off maybe $20 for the dead USB port [13:53] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:53] beej71: oh. did he tell what WM he's using? [13:53] if i somehow lose all USB ports on this thing, that would suck really bad (my external USB hard drive is my backup media so i'd have to buy a firewire drive. no eSATA on this machine.) [13:53] lowkyalur: I don't think he said. But he did say he could use some control panel to set the higer res. [13:54] beej71: now we will find out when/if he's coming back, hej? [13:54] TwinReverb: or you could set it up to use ethernet. [13:55] lowkyalur: ja--he's probably stuck in text mode. :) :-/ [13:55] and heck, if you have a gigbit switch, that'd be faster (theoretically) in the fisrt place =P [13:55] TwinReverb: or shove in a pccard usb hub? [13:55] hackedhead, ? [13:55] i don't have a PCMCIA but i have an express card slot (i don't know what that is so i'll have to go check) [13:56] usb2.0 is 480Mbps, gigabit ethernet is 1000Mbps [13:56] beej71: erm... should do with irc, right? [13:56] TwinReverb: i guess that's predicated on having another computer to host the drive on [13:56] but the drive is usb 2.0 and i have no ethernet hardware (i.e. no hubs, etc. i have a port) [13:56] ah [13:56] TwinReverb: it's like pcmcia but better and smaller...it's a combined erm... pci and usb connector in card format ... [13:56] lowkyalur: sure, it's just that some people aren't aware of the various terminal clients for IRC. :) [13:56] ... i never think of laptops as primary systems.... *shrug* [13:57] beej71: are there any gui clients yet? [13:57] joachim (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "Leaving." [13:57] lowkyalur: for IRC? xchat and pidgin are a couple [13:58] (I think it's a plugin on pidgin) [13:58] Action: beej71 has basically everything muxed through pidgin. [13:58] he said terminal clients. those are irssi, epic4, and bitchx [13:59] ircII! [13:59] :p [13:59] beej71: :) i tried pidgin once, however the commandline client didnt run and i'm too noob to recompile, so i /dev/nulled it and got irssi [13:59] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [13:59] irssi is the best one [13:59] Action: lw0x15 agrees to kjell [13:59] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] i only dont like its perl-only scripting ;\ [14:00] nod. the pidgin client is pretty mediocre. [14:00] I use it for the convenience of having all my chat stuff in the same place. [14:00] If I wanted GUI I think I would try xchat. Although, didn't like it last time I tried. [14:01] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) joined ##slackware. [14:01] I need GUI. That's why I use irrsi under a xterm :p [14:01] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) left irc: Client Quit [14:01] o.O [14:01] does anyone know a nice command line chat client supporting jabber, icq, msn AND multiple accounts? (i ask because centerim is missing it) [14:02] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Kaapa: lol ... same here, however those 'kill/raise/lower window' buttons dont qualify as GUI [14:02] l; [14:02] lowkyalur: I know that pidgin has CLI-support, although I don't know how good it is or if it's supporting all those. [14:03] BadAtom_ (n=BadAtom@badatom.org) joined ##slackware. [14:03] well, since xchat only adds dumb stuff, I'll keep considering xterm as a gui for irssi :) [14:03] lowkyalur: bitlbee would do that. (but you need an irc client for it) [14:03] irssi itself is concidered Command Line Interface. [14:04] Running it in a terminal emulator won't change my view on it :D [14:04] kjell: tried that one. i had hell to compile. [14:04] lowkyalur: kjell: apparently pidgin from the command line is called "finch"./ [14:04] wow that is nuts. gui for irssi [14:04] kjell: mebbe i try again on slack 12.2 [14:05] lowkyalur: Try bitlbee, I love it. [14:05] lowkyalur: although bitlbee is not "a client" as such. It's acts as an ircd / im gateway. but a combination of screen+irssi+bitlbee works quite well. [14:05] Action: beej71 runs off to fix 3d accel. [14:05] hum... [14:05] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left ##slackware. [14:05] Although I'm using my friends bitlbee's server. Have no faith in others :D [14:05] BP{k}: thx i'll give it a /look/ [14:05] BP{k}: with screen + irssi, why do you need bitlbee? [14:06] _dieter_ (n=dieterjo@92.116.152.176) left ##slackware. [14:06] Kaapa: To log in to MSN/ICQ etc? [14:06] Kaapa: show me how you can access the oscar protocol from within irssi? [14:06] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:06] oh, ok. Does it work ok? I'm using centerim for everything except irc [14:06] Kaapa: it works well :) [14:07] the same way that irc under IM puzzles me, the concept of IM under irc is a bit strange [14:07] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Not beeing able to download/upload files etc. is annoying sometimes. But it's very nice to have when on work and only having the shell available :D [14:08] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:09] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:09] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [14:09] see, centerim is nice, i use it. however i'm looking for sumpin with multiple-accounts-per-protocol [14:09] glxgears: 1200 fps. Much better than erroring out. :) [14:10] beej71: what card you got? [14:10] lowkyalur: something old. 1s... [14:10] blitz (n=alice@78.105.168.173) joined ##slackware. [14:10] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:10] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:10] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [14:10] lowkyalur: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM)] (rev a1) [14:11] Nightwolf- (n=silasgtc@189.104.97.67) joined ##slackware. [14:11] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:11] blitz (n=alice@78.105.168.173) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:11] anyone in here running FlDigi or GmfsK ? [14:11] lowkyalur: upgraded to 12.2 and something got blasted. Had to reinstall the nvidia driver. [14:11] beej71: hmmm. n1 - reminds me of my good old tnt2...:P [14:12] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4_m4n@83.218.195.61) joined ##slackware. [14:12] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4_m4n@83.218.195.61) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [14:14] lowkyalur: I'm not really a gamer, so as long as the card does Barrel Patrol 3d, tron lightcycles, and... atc, I'm ok. :) [14:14] or know where I can get ham radio related pkgs for slackware 12.2 ? [14:15] foureyes779, there used to be stuff in slack [14:15] in /extra [14:15] slackytude: I seem to remember something about it being dropped? [14:16] dont know that, might be [14:16] slackytude: looks like I will have to build from source then [14:16] the older slackware sources should have the slackbuilds [14:16] foureyes779: did you try slacky.eu? [14:16] slackytude: tnx [14:16] www.slacky.eu ? [14:17] foureyes779: might have something. I've found packages there before [14:17] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) got netsplit. [14:17] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) got netsplit. [14:17] (never looked for ham stuff, tho) [14:17] beej71: all the links are outdated there [14:17] foureyes779, i don't know about slack packages, but there's a program called gnu radio, in case you're not aware of it [14:17] at least for the /extra/ham/xxx.tgz [14:18] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [14:18] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) returned to ##slackware. [14:18] josemanuel: gnu radio is pretty fricken cool, I have to say [14:18] josemanuel: I didn't shell out for the hardware, but I love the idea. [14:18] yeah, same here [14:18] Nightwolf- (n=silasgtc@189.104.97.67) left irc: "Leaving" [14:19] ok, just gonna have to do it the hard way and build from source. [14:19] question: if i were to end up having two laptops, is there a way i could use both in some manner? i would only connect one of them to the internet but i was hoping maybe to network the two together on a private subnet just for synchronization and such [14:19] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [14:19] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] tnx [14:20] Nick change: Dinde -> Misere [14:20] TwinReverb: network topology question? or synchronization question? [14:20] TwinReverb: without a hub or another means to network them together? [14:20] foureyes779, you could try to create a slackbuild of gnu radio instead [14:20] thnks for waking me up everybody. finch is running now no probs [14:21] Nick change: Misere -> Dinde [14:21] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [14:21] no problems apart from it being finch =P [14:21] josemanuel: I am looking for a specific app to do PSK-31 [14:21] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [14:21] foureyes779: out of curiousity, what's your rig like? [14:21] really dont want to have to boot into WinXP just to do the digital modes [14:22] beej71: kenwood TS-570d [14:22] yeah without a means of networking them together (unless we go with usb or firewire) [14:22] beej71: real common rig [14:22] TwinReverb: bingo [14:22] IP over firewire [14:22] =] [14:22] i figured as much :D [14:22] i was thinking mainly of distcc ironically :D [14:22] i've never played with it, but always wanted to [14:23] foureyes779: wow, that's not cheap. :) [14:23] Nick change: atha -> ahta [14:23] ooooh, actually that's a good reason to mess with my ooooooold vaios [14:23] beej71: I got a deal on it that I couldnt refuse [14:23] daisy chain firewire lol [14:23] then i could setup a firewire network for fun [14:23] foureyes779, what about this one: http://linpsk.sourceforge.net? i'm not sure that's what you want, though [14:23] ahta (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "BitchX: the headache medicine" [14:24] josemanuel: yeah, that is similiar. i would still have to build it though [14:24] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-29.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:25] slackpkg -getmyfreakinprogramformeandiwillquitwhining fldigi [14:25] hmm [14:26] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:26] people, just for the records, I found something that does something similar to compiling shellscripts [14:26] foureyes779: at least linpsk only deps on qt3 right now, so the build shouldn't be difficult. [14:26] A dude from spain did a good work on something called shc [14:26] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:27] hey [14:27] yeh [14:27] foureyes779: I've had a heck of a problem getting fltk to build so I can build fldigi. I think it's just on Slamd64, though. [14:28] HOWDY, DUDES AND DUDETTES! [14:28] almost be easier to download the win version and run it with Wine [14:28] heh [14:28] foureyes779: Let me see what I can come up with... [14:28] jkwood: tnx [14:29] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [14:29] haha [14:29] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) got netsplit. [14:29] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) got netsplit. [14:30] lol [14:32] jkwood: gmfsk needs FFTW and HAMLIB to work [14:33] Yeah, I actually have quite a bit of stuff for ham radio, I just haven't messed with it recently enough to consider putting it up for public consumption. [14:34] a podcast about ham radio in linux, if anyone's interested: http://blacksparrowmedia.com/lhs/ [14:34] josemanuel: tnx [14:35] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) got lost in the net-split. [14:35] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) got lost in the net-split. [14:35] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@cpe-024-074-134-156.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [14:35] i got manauls and howtos in my ~/docs about ham radios... and more [14:36] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:36] Cann0n: =O [14:36] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:36] Karu (n=alch@78-28-94-97.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:39] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:41] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "leaving" [14:41] Cann0n: tnx [14:42] ruben231 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [14:42] missed it by....THAT much !!! [14:43] hi anyone suggest on my testing for resolve on my bind dns server.....http://pastebin.com/m6d05641b [14:44] so far, so good. just built FFTW and now working on hamlib [14:46] foureyes779:is that message foe me..? 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[15:03] Installing as root. All the way. [15:03] But I'm also crazy. [15:04] er, actually, let me clarify I'm talking about the make install in the package build step [15:04] zaltekk` (n=kenneth@68-119-193-040.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:04] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiw14.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:05] root++ [15:05] i setup an old computer with slackware/xfce for my little brother, but i am having trouble getting a decent resolution in X. the computer is using a PCI Voodoo4500 card and a 17inch CRT monitor. [15:06] Xorg isn't autodetecting the monitor(X claims the monitor isn't DDC2 compliant). and the monitor has only "MGC" written on it...there is not a model number [15:06] /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows that it is using a "default" horizsync and vertrefresh, but then it says every video mode larger than 800x600 is out of range [15:06] any ideas what i can do? [15:07] just from the standard console i get a larger resolution. i believe it is 1024x768 [15:08] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:08] zaltekk`: Can you find your hsync and vsync for that monitor, and the video modes the card can support? [15:09] i can find the video modes the card supports, but i don't have a model number for the monitor. i only know that it is made by MGC [15:09] zaltekk`: even if not, maybe you can make a custom modeline with gtf that could get something going...? [15:09] beej71: gtf? [15:10] $ gtf 1024 768 60 [15:10] # 1024x768 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 47.70 kHz; pclk: 64.11 MHz [15:10] Modeline "1024x768_60.00" 64.11 1024 1080 1184 1344 768 769 772 795 -HSync +Vsync [15:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [15:10] I just chose 60Hz out of the air. :) [15:10] ah. okay. [15:10] i'll give that a try [15:11] you can drop the modeline in the "Monitor" section [15:11] then select the mode with Modes "1024x768_60.00" (or whatever you end up with) in the "Screen" section [15:12] A while back X spontaneously stopped being able to find valid modes for me, and I had to add some modelines. It was weird. [15:12] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [15:13] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:14] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.37.143) joined ##slackware. [15:14] zaltekk`: it's crazy there's no model no on the monitor. What an oversight. [15:15] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [15:15] beej71: it is extremely old =/ [15:15] be sure to stab them then :D [15:15] Garak (i=1000@stjhnf0112w-142162180243.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left ##slackware. [15:15] i can't complain too much since it was given to me for free [15:16] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:16] zaltekk`: ah--so yeah, some conservative HorizSync and VertRefresh values might be prudent. [15:16] peer- (n=peer@c83-251-133-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:16] "conservative hsync/vsync settings"... [15:16] how old is the monitor? [15:16] peer- (n=peer@c83-251-133-148.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:16] and is it an LCD? [15:16] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: "MEH" [15:17] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Urchlay: he said it was a CRT [15:17] every CRT made in at least the past 10 years will shut down the screen if it gets too high of a sync rate, no chance of blowing it up [15:17] "extremely old CRT" [15:17] beej71: sorry, was looking at IRC thru a tiny 5-line-tall window :) [15:17] extremely old CRT, like 15+ years? [15:17] Urchlay: hehe [15:18] Urchlay: he didn't specify the age. [15:18] There are very few "very old" 17" CRTs, I imagine. [15:18] yeah, if it's a 17" it's likely new enough that you can't damage it with a bad video signal [15:18] muraii: oh yeah he did say 17". I guess that would be pretty rare a decade ago. [15:19] Urchlay: only one way to find out. set those to 1-999. :) [15:19] I mean, if the vert/horiz sync are too high, it won't *work*, but it won't catch on fire either [15:19] forces (n=forces@unaffiliated/source) joined ##slackware. [15:19] hi! [15:19] Just note that no advice provided in IRC carries any warranty or liability. +) [15:20] lol [15:20] well, there's that [15:20] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [15:20] well [15:21] the default sync/refresh that Xorg picks doesn't allow that modeline to work [15:21] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:21] if something goes wrong, call tech support: 1-800-642-7676 ;) [15:21] zaltekk`: what are the syncrefresh values it chose? [15:22] zaltekk`: are you sure the monitor in fact is capable of displaying 1024x768? [15:22] Urchlay: yep. i think it can do 1280x1024, but i know it can at _least_ do 1024x768 [15:22] this tty is using 1024x768 =] [15:22] 17" at 800x600... holy cow. :) [15:22] zaltekk`: non-interlaced I hope [15:23] ewwww [15:23] zaltekk`: And there's no identifying information on the monitor? [15:23] hsync: 31.50-37.90 kHz, vrefresh: 50.00-70.00 Hz [15:23] Action: Urchlay used to like 1152x864 on a 17" CRT [15:23] muraii: it just says "MGC" [15:24] zaltekk`: this sounds familiar. I installed linux on an old machine with my regular monitor and I couldn't get it to full-res. Always drove the monitor out of range evern with the proper sync/refresh lines in there., [15:24] zaltekk`: never got a solution to that. [15:24] that hsync and vrefresh is the "safe default" Xorg tries [15:24] Hi all :) [15:24] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:24] zaltekk`: those hsync/vrefresh values are pretty damn conservative. Bump 'em up some. [15:25] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:25] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Urchlay: the main error with the modes it tests is the hsync [15:25] IO got a minimal fresh install (12.0) on a server and I'm trying to build postfix (SBo) but I keep gettin an error while "make" is running.... http://rafb.net/p/OdqgK727.html [15:25] although i must say i am not familiar enough with HSync values to know what i should try [15:25] pretty sure it's just me missing something, but the only leads I've got to go on are linux.h and version.h and they don't help much [15:25] SuN (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:25] that monitor can probably handle hsync up to 50 KHz, at least [15:25] Maybe mgcusa.com might help? [15:25] muraii: i clicked "products->displays" and it was a blank page [15:25] Kratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.180) joined ##slackware. [15:26] lol [15:26] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.173.55) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [15:26] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [15:26] zaltekk`: muraii: maybe a photo ID can be made... heh blank page--nevermind. [15:26] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Kratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.180) left irc: Client Quit [15:26] "Let me show you all our products." "...I must confess I'm slightly underwhelmed." [15:26] Action: muraii had only looked at the site via console. [15:26] heh, that sounds like the Monty Python sketch about the cheese shop [15:27] muraii: soundslike the same experience, console or X. :) [15:27] theblackbox, do you have the system headers installed? [15:27] I installed Kernel sources, not headers [15:27] Urchlay: hehe "Yes, sir! It's a cheese shop, sir! We have--" "--Don't tell me! I'm keen to guess." [15:27] theblackbox, yeah you're going to need the kernel-headers package then [15:28] anyone know if 12.2 changed some things with regards to psmouse kernel module loading? [15:28] cheers Old_Fogie, will see where that gets me [15:28] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.37.143) left ##slackware. [15:28] theblackbox, ok gl hf :) [15:30] kama (n=kama@host124-31-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:30] Action: Old_Fogie points out that ( ls /var/log/packages > installed-packages.log ) after making a package long time ago just saved his butt a ton of time. I tried to build lilypond, it gave errors for fontforge, turned out was missing ghostscript fonts. [15:31] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] haha, nice swerve [15:31] Karu (n=alch@78-28-94-97.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [15:33] \o/ yeah! go Martinp [15:34] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] lol [15:35] mindbendr (n=mindbend@94-194-128-38.zone8.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:36] so HorizSync 25-65 and VertRefresh 50-70 let me use 1280x1024 [15:36] thanks for the help guys [15:36] and your monitor didn't blow up sweet! [15:36] smyows (n=smyows@200.206.88.188) left irc: "Leaving" [15:36] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [15:37] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:37] zaltekk`: excellent [15:37] can we smash it now? [15:38] i'd like to [15:38] no problem, we'll take care of the heavy lifting [15:38] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.146) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:40] kilasmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:41] Any admins out there that use any type of Exchange "alternative"? IE: Zimbra, Zaffara, Open-Exchange or even built configurations like postfix+courier+horde-groupware? [15:42] zaltekk` (n=kenneth@68-119-193-040.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) left irc: "reboot" [15:42] agentc0reWORK, I use egroupware courier, postfix, mysql, amavis, clamav [15:43] agentc0reWORK, tho I'm not an admin :) [15:43] oh spamassasin on that too agentc0reWORK [15:43] do you use outlook with that? I'm guessing no since it sounds like it's all for personal use. [15:44] agentc0reWORK, I've tested outlook for it, with imap and pop3/smtp. I use syncml to get the contacts out of it, tho since it is egroupware, it has a nice web gui too. I use the webguie more than outlook. also since it has syncml, kdepim and evolution work well too for contacts and mail as well. (also the todo and calendar) [15:45] agentc0reWORK, I've only tested up to outlook 2003 tho [15:45] okay, horde uses syncml as well. Did you have to use a outlook connector to get calendaring and contacts to work? [15:46] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:46] agentc0reWORK, yes you need a "connector" of some sort. egroupware was the only one that had a "free" price one (at the time I looked). Tho, I've installed - but have not been able to figure out how to get "funambol" to work (it's supposed to tho and is foss) [15:47] Old_Fogie: Ya, funambol is the one i was looking at. Grr... connectors are annoying. [15:47] agentc0reWORK, you need a connector if you're using outlook. if you're using KDE, or evoltion it's already built in :) [15:48] Is the "connector" just an added functionality so that it just "syncs" with the web url somehow? [15:48] agentc0reWORK, actually, I'm not a freetard or anything (I meant that with love) but really, the connectors are a pain due to Outlook only. As you investigate, you will find (as I did) that every other PIM client in the world has a freebie out there,...except Outlook. [15:49] Old_Fogie, I got another one that's really unhelpful with it's search terms. I'm chucking a gcc error "cannot find 'as'" any idea where the assembler is (package wise) [15:49] agentc0reWORK, the 'connectors' are the code that let's the mail client , like kde-pim to talk over tcp to the server yes. [15:50] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:50] agentc0reWORK, it seems to me, that if you're looking for Outlook connectivity, all the developers ask for a lot of money, and there's hardly any trials. [15:50] binutils ;) [15:51] Old_Fogie: Since i've never seen the connector, i'm not sure how you configure it to work. Thats why i asked if it's just url based at that point because Outlook 2007 has that kind of functionality now. [15:51] theblackbox, stripped down box over there huh :) [15:51] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.155.127.23) joined ##slackware. [15:51] lol, it's a virgin linode [15:51] Action: theblackbox blushes [15:52] agentc0reWORK, yes it installs on the win box, and you tell it which folder is the outlook.pst file, and you give it the IP of the server, and the port number . then you just tell it how often to synch, which one wins on conflicts, etc. It's as easy as syincing a palm pilot if you will. [15:52] theblackbox, oh ok [15:52] agentc0reWORK, you obviously have to have the server setup, and listening on the port :) [15:52] really liking them so far and it's been about 2 days [15:52] lol [15:53] agentc0reWORK, I've been meaning to try citadel, they have a vm you can just download and run out of vmware. [15:53] theblackbox: Sounds like you need slackpkg. [15:53] theblackbox: Which DC are you in? [15:53] gotit ;) [15:54] Old_Fogie: Oh, never heard of citadel. Let me look them up real quick. [15:54] got sbopkg too ;) [15:54] although takin it easy with sbopkg [15:54] jkwood, DC? [15:54] Data Center. [15:54] agentc0reWORK, yea not sure what your business needs are, but the egroupware is really nicely done. I'd buy it :) [15:54] egroupware? meh... [15:55] Old_Fogie: I'm trying to do away with exchange. It's only feature we use here at work is calendaring, and i know it's possible with a F/OSS setup, but i've never set one up before. Just trying to figure out all my ends even before i test it out. [15:55] ah, Dallas, Texas.... in a Bookstore repository or somethin ;) [15:55] agentc0reWORK, they have nice things in their like wiki's, workboards, tracking of clients/tasks, etc. done pretty good. [15:55] heh [15:55] i really wish OSS projects would stop using PHP [15:55] Action: TwinReverb is amazed at how silly the MRE videos on YouTube are [15:56] PHP written by bad coders is just as bad as code written in any language [15:56] TwinReverb, http://tinyurl.com/6q4ut7 [15:56] agentc0reWORK, believe it or not, gnome's evolution has a data server that users can share calendars thru [15:56] agentc0reWORK, kde also has a groupware server too [15:56] not sure if it's your cup-o-tea, but I'm looking forward to a weekend of serious geek from them beauties [15:57] agentc0reWORK, the 'groupware' is really the "buzz word" for your googleing I found [15:57] Necos: why should OSS projects stop using PHP ? [15:57] because the coding style is horrible... [15:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM3_ZoWXBaM&feature=related [15:58] i.e., people who write PHP typically write bad PHP... [15:58] Action: Old_Fogie is *happy* it's php and not java muck [15:58] harlekin (n=harlekin@p57B7F16E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Old_Fogie: Unfortunately i cannot move my users to a linuxed based os. [15:58] agentc0reWORK, aha I see. well just thought I'd mention it [15:58] the problem isn't the programming language per se, it's bad programmers [15:58] forces (n=forces@unaffiliated/source) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] Necos: that's not the language's fault - PHP is actually very similar to many modern structured languages [15:59] Old_Fogie: Thank you, it's all very good knowledge weather or not i need to know it now. [15:59] but then again, human beings also designed the programming language so it's a cumulative entropy effect lol [15:59] .. need to know it now or not. [15:59] i didn't say anything about the language, i'm commenting on the people that choose to use it being bad coders [15:59] agentc0reWORK, actually pretty soon you should be able to run evolution in windows (the whole mono .net interopbility thing) [15:59] Necos: I'm not sure that makes any more sense - what language would you rather see them make a mess in ? [16:00] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:00] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a213-22-148-202.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:00] i rather them _NOT_ in any language =p [16:01] theblackbox: Ah, well... if mwalling hadn't moved, he had an internal mirror going. [16:01] Old_Fogie: I would think about it if my users were so stupid. The admin before me held their binky's for them and expected the same from me. When they didn't get it, they cried and cried... And guess what? They still aren't getting it [in bed]. However, trying to teach them something new that they don't give two shits about is the worst thing ever. [16:01] Necos: ah, I get where you're coming from - I sympathize with that lament, and indeed my brother and I have had a similar conversation, and I posed him with the same challenge ... how can there be such a "barrier to entry" ? [16:01] i just get tired of the "i'm l33t 'cause i use PHP" and then looking at shitty code [16:01] jkwood, ahhh damn [16:02] I like what they do with internal networking, sounds interesting and useful [16:02] Necos: in essence, how do you keep people from doing things they suck at ? [16:02] Oh, definitely. [16:02] agentc0reWORK, hahah yes I can imagine. Well the wife and I (and numerous others) been running egroupware, all of us dummies are doing quite well on it for a few years now fwiw :) [16:02] shoot them with extreme prejudice [16:02] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [16:02] retro active abortion [16:03] Necos: haha - well, the issue exists in many places - I've seen it in the music/band scene as well as software circles [16:03] =o [16:03] rk4n3: that's one good thing about assembly language. Anyone who can't figure out what they're doing, generally can't do anything at all [16:03] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Most of my user base, including most of the parteners, do not want to learn anything about pc's. When i try to explain "what happened" they don't care. Or how to prevent what you did, they don't care. I've been told many times, "I don't care what happened, just fix it". Which is frustrating because i think the technology that is being released to day requires you to know more than "How... [16:03] ...do i turn my pc on" knowledge. [16:03] lol Urchlay [16:03] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:03] agentc0reWORK, in fact, if you're feeling lazy, and want to try it out, put debian in a vm and just apt-get away, then decide if you want it on slack or not (my $0.02) :) [16:03] Urchlay: roger that - its why many of us old-schoolers long for the days before programming "got easy" [16:03] agentc0reWORK: try working in a high school... you'll see it more often from many more people ;) [16:04] Old_Fogie: Thanks, i will look into that option a little more. I passed it up earlier today when i started to do a more extensive search on replacements. [16:04] rk4n3: "incompetent and unaware of it" definitely applies to music. I've known guitar players who don't even know how to play a G-chord, but think they can play Hendrix solos [16:04] theblackbox: I'll be sure to let you know if I start offering anything off mine. [16:04] LOL [16:04] agentc0reWORK: i confirm about that because i think its one of the main problems in todays it [16:04] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.180) joined ##slackware. [16:04] Action: TwinReverb can play both a G chord and hendrix solos [16:04] Urchlay: indeed [16:04] agentc0reWORK, I run a freebsd server with them apps on it, and 500 mhz rips thru 30,000 contacts and can handle 8 people fine :) [16:04] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] ignore the guitar hero effect. it will die. [16:05] Old_Fogie: Ya, that's what i'd probably do. All of my linux servers are currently Slackware right now. I plan on keeping it that way. [16:05] lol TwinReverb [16:05] Necos: I can only imagine. I'm guessing you work for a school then? [16:05] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [16:05] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:05] Old_Fogie, for outlook clients [16:05] guitar hero is a triumph of marketing. For less money than the console, controllers, and a good TV to play it on, you could buy a real guitar & amp... [16:05] agentc0reWORK: yep [16:06] slackytude, yes since it's using syncml (talks over tcp to the apache/mysql) so it's really fast. [16:06] Action: lowkyalur mumbles: Frets on Fire. [16:06] Old_Fogie, cool [16:06] Urchlay: ... but couldn't play it (for most kids) [16:06] but people find it easy to be competent at something easy than to be competent at something difficult [16:06] slackytude, and that's using courrier imap mail too [16:06] rk4n3: so then they learn to love punk rock :) [16:06] Urchlay: haha :) [16:06] which is why until recently there were really no guitar hero / rock band songs as difficult as the real thing [16:06] jkwood, nice one man, I appreciate it - I'll reciprocate the favour if I ever get anything worth your time =D [16:06] slackytude, tho we're not using imap with ssl tho [16:06] harlekin: Yes, and it's unfortunate for us. I feel that I wasn't hired to baby adults but to manage IT. Obviously i provide support for them, but there are just somethings that blow my mind away. Like i have a doctor that has no idea how to cut and paste. WTF!?! [16:06] dont diss guitar hero, I leant to love black sabbath by it [16:06] now you got stuff that's almost as difficult but won't get you paid [16:06] Old_Fogie, kewl [16:07] Urchlay, but their guitar is much better... you know? who needs 24 frets when you have 5 or 6 fischer price colored plastic buttons? [16:07] you could've learned to love black sabbath by going to the local library and listening to it, or through other methods. your point is moot. [16:07] what's wrong if someone just "likes" to play guitar hero and does not like playing guitar..? [16:07] slackytude, I've read that it can be done with lighthttpd and if I can get that, I'm gonna toss apache if I can that old box can use the help :) [16:07] huh? going to the library to listen to black sabbath? [16:07] nothing's wrong [16:07] just that they suck, that's all [16:07] if they're happy with sucking, that's fine by me [16:07] :D [16:08] [ in bed ] [16:08] true [16:08] LOL [16:08] Old_Fogie, lighthttd is nice. got it on slack 10.something [16:08] BOFH: if they stay on GH, no problem - but when they think its time to pollute the band scene with their crap, then its a different story [16:08] rk4n3, come on [16:08] guitar hero IV: Groupie Fail [16:08] I'm working on my own game like that actually. [16:08] it's called hurdy gurdy hero. [16:08] hmmm, wonder if I can find this video again... [16:08] well see you all later :) [16:08] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:08] BOFH: ? [16:08] guitar hero V: time waster [16:08] I need an asm programmer to work out the controller tho. [16:08] guitar hero VI: the suck returns [16:08] everyone should be free to pollute everything, the audience will decide if their stuff is crap or not [16:09] TwinReverb, I just doenloaded all of black sabbath after playing guitar hero for the first time [16:09] Action: TwinReverb stabs slackytude "fan fail" [16:09] BOFH: not when the audience's disapproval puts the bar out of business or sours them on having bands period [16:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWw1OpDrpI&feature=PlayList&p=AA92F2814DBC298D&playnext=1&index=92 [16:09] hehe, what would Ozzy say! [16:09] You know it would be pretty sweet if they made it so that you could hook up an electric guitar/base and play the actual song. [16:09] ...real music being made with a GH controller [16:09] uh, no, if the band sucks, the bar usually continues business. [16:09] agentc0re, aye [16:09] agentc0re, but who would tune the guitars? :D [16:10] TwinReverb: after one, sure ... after 20 ? [16:10] maybe intead they could use the microphone interface concept with a real guitar :D [16:10] TwinReverb, talk box! [16:10] rk4n3, if you hire 20 sucky bands in a row you deserve to go out of business :D [16:10] One of my co-workers kids plays GH. I play Real guitar. He wants to learn, i offered to show him the real thing before he tried to commit to real lessons, but he then just gave up. [16:10] granted, people came there for alcohol [16:10] lol [16:10] anyways, g'night [16:10] TwinReverb: actually if you hire 20 sucky bands in a row, that's just business as usual, in this town [16:10] sweet viao dreams :D [16:10] wahcordian|work: Through the game, wouldn't be hard. You can tune the electrical ones through the amp with the right gear. [16:10] night TwinReverb [16:11] nite TwinReverb [16:11] lol I was being sarcastic agentc0re. [16:11] lol [16:11] wahcordian|work: Oh... /fail [16:11] TwinReverb: that can be true, but my point is when 90% of the bands in an area suck, it lowers the "bar" and over time it degrades to the point of no return [16:11] ;) [16:11] Action: lw0x15 gives a bucket of fail to agentc0reWORK [16:11] Action: agentc0reWORK kicks lw0x15 [16:11] Action: Necos agrees [16:11] TwinReverb, isn't really going to sleep. He's gonna go play guitar hero. [16:11] TwinReverb: I've seen it happen more than once [16:11] Action: lw0x15 kicks back [16:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [16:11] lw0x15: i forgot to do that earlier :P [16:12] oh ;( [16:12] lw0x15: hahah [16:12] totally forgot about that one >_> [16:12] wahcordian|work: [in bed] [16:12] lol [16:12] so nobody went & looked at that youtube video? it's actually pretty entertaining... [16:12] the first and last time I played guitar hero was when the CS department was doing a party at end of semester [16:13] Urchlay: chat goes so fast sometimes people dont even see [16:13] :] [16:13] are there any other instruments that we could make a game out of? [16:13] Urchlay: I block the youtube at work :P [16:13] Accordian hero? With a sweet ass polka line-up. [16:13] I expected alcohol and loud music. I got war beer and guitar hero. I should have known better to go a party done by CS majors [16:13] hmmm.... never do a cat /usr/share/mysql/errmsg.txt .... I think I just wasted all my bandwidth =S [16:13] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [16:13] theblackbox: LOL [16:13] ukulele hero? [16:14] wahcordian|work: LOL, that'd be great. [16:14] hurdy gurdy hero dangit! I'm tellin you. [16:14] wahcordian|work: Pornstar hero FTW! [16:14] or train a whole generation of young girls to play triplets with their tongues with Flute Hero [16:14] vim hero [16:14] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_sells_your_data.php [16:14] sigh [16:14] Urchlay, this is the sort of idea that really takes off. [16:14] kjell: :( [16:15] spoons hero [16:15] lol [16:15] but you have to buy their $80 spoons if you lose the ones that come w/ the game. [16:15] 'cause they are tone matched spoons. [16:15] triangle hero! [16:16] hahah [16:16] nah, cause they have colour buttons... [16:16] cowbell hero [16:16] I've got a fever... and the only cure is... more cowbell! [16:16] Urchlay: HAHA, i love that episode. [16:16] A revolution in music is sweeping across the land. A cowbell revolution. In select best buy stores December '09. [16:17] Urchlay: Have you ever seen Gili? [16:17] Colour Blind Hero.... would be more fun for spectators [16:17] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.155.127.23) left irc: Connection timed out [16:17] gili? no idea [16:17] How about hot dog eating contest hero [16:17] Action: theblackbox doesn't like the idea of eating his wii-mote [16:18] wahcordian|work: and the sequel, goldfish eating hero [16:18] Urchlay: Sorry, Gigli. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299930/ [16:18] (or mountain oyster eating hero) [16:18] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Rock Tumbler Hero? Maybe even Rock Tumblr Hero, which has blogging/social media connotations. [16:18] Greetings Programs! [16:18] Urchlay: Christopher Walken is in that way. He has some really funny lines in there too. [16:18] Action: wahcordian|work ponders as to why none of these examples lack actual heroism. [16:19] Action: Urchlay throws a disc at NyteOwl [16:19] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:19] heh - awesome band name "Cannon Fodder" :) [16:19] they need to make leisure suite larry for the wii. [16:19] rk4n3: that's the song... the band's called "press play on tape" [16:19] oh [16:19] agentc0reWORK, lol @ "$54,000,000! Where did all the money go?" [16:19] there would be some very creative ways to use the wii-mote at the end of the game. [16:19] I suppose that's an OK name too [16:19] wahcordian|work: wiildo? wiibrator? [16:20] hahaha [16:20] oh lord [16:20] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a213-22-148-202.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Client Quit [16:20] wont you buy me [16:20] theblackbox: hahaha. I got a pie, so good that the tongue would fight through the brains to get to it. [16:20] agentc0reWORK: OK, I think I have to see this Gigli movie. Anything with Walken & Pacino in it, that got bad reviews, should be entertaining [16:21] they should make a game where you guide real life missiles w/ the wii... it would be very short, but the replay factor would be immense. save the military some $$$. [16:21] Urchlay: Dude the movie is actually super funny. I love it. The retard is the best. [16:22] wahcordian|work: wiimote kickboxing, you strap the controllers to your feet... [16:22] Urchlay: LOL [16:22] wahcordian|work......... ohhh...... Gaza Hero? [16:22] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:22] Action: theblackbox cringes [16:22] ouch [16:22] SCUD Hero! [16:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:23] heh [16:23] lol [16:23] ...expansion pack "Sadam Songs" [16:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:23] y0 Camarade_Tux [16:23] still love the south park... "Hey kid... have you ever played Heroin Hero?" [16:23] the anus detector was down most of the day Camarade_Tux [16:23] can you guess the No.1 most requested song on Basra FM? [16:24] theblackbox, omg thats bad. hahaha [16:24] WiiDoctor - Silver bullet edition. :D LOL [16:24] Action: Camarade_Tux really should use DontZap in his xorg.conf... [16:24] Action: theblackbox s brother is in Paras [16:24] hi slackytude :) [16:24] and seriously - it's Rock the Casbah [16:24] heh [16:24] that's sad for the anus detector, I'm not really surprised though ;p [16:25] Urchlay, "blind the players at a sports event using your l33t pen laser hero" [16:25] wait I'm still thinking about wii. [16:25] Camarade_Tux, well its back up now [16:25] Wii Special Olympics [16:25] "Caution: do not look directly into laser emitter with remaining good eye" [16:25] I like the bowling game. [16:25] that ones pretty sweet. [16:25] tattoo removal hero. [16:25] haha [16:26] how about... Lunch Lady Hero? [16:26] lol [16:26] (get Adam Sandler to do the intro song) [16:26] Herpes hero [16:26] lol [16:26] sloppy joe slop'm'sloppy joe [16:26] you guys have it all wrong - you have to use the game to social-engineer what you want more of ... [16:26] "Herpes... the gift that keeps on giving!" [16:26] heroin hero [16:26] blowjob hero [16:26] slackware hero? [16:26] hero hero [16:27] rk4n3: covered already, with "flute hero", which would be a thinly disguised version of the same [16:27] rk4n3: Ya, i mentioned Pornstar Hero earlier :P [16:27] bah, sounded funnier echoing in the back of my mind [16:27] Urchlay: ah [16:27] agentc0reWORK: not specific enough :) [16:27] i'd go Banknotes Hero aka WoW-Ownership. [16:28] slackytude, how was your exam ? [16:28] Camarade_Tux, fine, very fine, could well be an A [16:28] rk4n3: You play as a pornstar and bang... whatever comes your way.. Or get banged.. which ever is your fancy. It'd come with a strap on and pocket pussy. [16:28] Camarade_Tux, learning for DB on wendsday [16:28] jump off a tall building because your on acid and think you can fly... [16:28] hero [16:28] wahcordian|work: LOL [16:29] lol, I just won a 5kg container of Ice Melter in this conline contest [16:29] agentc0reWORK: haha [16:29] ever see that episode of 6 ft under? [16:29] Action: Camarade_Tux fears the day he'll have to learn COBOL, hmmm, SQL :D [16:29] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:29] Who the heck uses COBOL still? [16:29] SQL: it's COBOLicious! [16:29] Action: NyteOwl shouldn't laugh - half his driveway is ice [16:29] mm COBOL [16:29] wahcordian|work: anyone with a mainframe [16:29] lots of places surprisingly [16:29] Obama Hero? the fret buttons could be pictures of Sidney Poitier/Malcolm X/MLK/Cassius Clay/etc. and you have to press the right one when the appropriate plagiarism has taken place [16:29] =P [16:30] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [16:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:30] wahcordian|work: RE: Leisure Suit Larry on Wii, I'm with ya. [16:30] it's great for doing report generation from database extractions [16:30] so is excel :D [16:30] exzcel sucks [16:30] NyteOwl: it *was* great, until perl came along [16:30] lol [16:30] and fortunately doesn't run on minis and mainframes [16:30] NyteOwl: true [16:30] socialist hero [16:30] rk4n3: no, it's still quite usefull, and MUCH more readable than perl [16:31] wahcordian|work: As long as none of your reports rely on statistical measures. [16:31] hello, I have read that samba and clamav have a way to interact together, however i don't feel like rebuilding samba, is this really needed or justo a cronjob to check samba's share folders will do? [16:31] if sales-amount greater-than bonus-amount... too verbose [16:31] NyteOwl: oh, I know - I work in a mainframe shop, so I get my fill of COBOL, but still its nice to make fun of :) [16:31] cobol hero [16:32] the game where you run against a presidential campaign against poorly spoken corpse and just remind everybody that your not George Bush and that you'll spread the wealth around. :D [16:32] Urchlay: the verbosity is what makes it easy for someone who didn't write the code to maintain or modify it [16:32] NyteOwl: to me it makes it impossible to read the code, whether I wrote it or not [16:32] it's wordy but very explicit [16:32] Terrorist Hero. [16:32] but then I haven't touched cobol since I was forced to take it in school [16:33] Gyro Hero. [16:33] heh. "Shotgun Hero: Kurt Cobain Edition" [16:33] lol [16:33] lol [16:33] Urchlay: LOL [16:33] lol [16:33] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [16:33] terrorist hero with live action vest. [16:33] not much replay value though [16:33] no talent hero [16:33] Paris Hilton edition ? [16:34] Hemroid hero [16:34] drunk driving hero [16:34] COPS hero [16:34] Slit your through, Hero [16:34] (it's a two disc pack) [16:34] wahcordian|work: the controller has a breathalyzer, you can't start the game until you're at least twice the legal max? [16:34] McHero [16:34] "You must be at least *this* drunk, to enjoy this game" [16:35] Urchlay, exactly, it comes with a 6 pack of blue moon... [16:35] Urchlay: oh man, so many games need that rating [16:35] BP{k}: ping [16:35] "Rated four six-packs for 'Teen'" [16:35] Montage Hero: Rocky VII Siberian Workout Edition [16:35] haha [16:35] lol [16:35] chopp: pong. [16:35] you have bitlbee on your linode? [16:35] tech support hero [16:35] muraii: WiiFit edition :P [16:36] rob a 711 and escape on foot hero [16:36] chopp: installed but not active at the moment. [16:36] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-150-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [16:36] BP{k}: hmm, it keeps whining about missing glib2. [16:36] agentc0reWORK: Totally. [16:37] so far I think shotgun hero is the first... so when are we going to start developing? [16:37] wahcordian|work: we'll go through QA testers pretty fast... [16:37] need some help with netbean [16:37] should we contact courtney love? Or just do it. [16:37] obnoxious thug hero ... oh, wait - that's called "Grand Theft Auto" already [16:37] anybody have netbean installed in Slackware? [16:38] Urchlay, I picture a potato cannon easter egg. [16:38] Hop the boarder Hero [16:38] hehheh... potato guns are fun [16:38] kill your boss hero? [16:38] hahaha - the "Rio Grande" edition [16:38] Action: wahcordian|work likes his boss tho... [16:38] 64-bit Linux Hero: No Crash, No Fail [16:38] Mushroom Welt Hero [16:38] rk4n3, ahahaha [16:38] chopp: hmm seems from a ldd to be linked indeed against libglib-2.0.so.0 [16:38] Action: wahcordian|work is 2 minutes away from the rio grande. [16:39] heh [16:39] wahcordian|work: TX or NM, or neither? [16:39] box car durby hero [16:39] NM Albuquerque [16:39] Action: muraii used to live there. [16:39] pder (n=pder@65.29.100.40) joined ##slackware. [16:39] muraii, it's nice. there's lots of... dirt. [16:39] Action: rk4n3 was born in San Antonio TX [16:39] ...and I've spent a decade regretting leaving. [16:39] pder (n=pder@65.29.100.40) left ##slackware. [16:40] wahcordian|work: And mountains, and desert, and a pretty solid tech community. [16:40] we haven't had as much economic turmoil yet. [16:40] Action: wahcordian|work fingers crossed. [16:40] haha - the socialists don't want yer dirt, eh ? [16:40] Action: wahcordian|work wouldn't know [16:40] I can't get me enough New Mexico. Except for Grants. Holy hell, that place made me want to slit my wrists. [16:41] lot of tech if you work at Kirtland on lasers and bombs and pens that write upside down :D [16:41] muraii: LOL [16:41] Last time I was in AlbQQ was the end of July and the heat was extremely oppressive. Might be nice this time of eyar :) [16:41] BP{k}: strange, it compiled fine on my home box without libglib. I'll keep messing with it. [16:41] NyteOwl, it's chilly. live here for about a month and you'll love the heat. [16:42] when I first moved here, I couldn't go outside because the sun snow blinded me. I slept all day for 2 days. [16:42] I was used to grays harbor washington tho so that may explain a bit. [16:42] naw - I'm not a hot climate person. I like it between 50 and 80. 100+ is NOT my idea of fun :) [16:42] wahcordian|work: I worked in a little computer peripheral place called Hallmark: The Cable Place. I remember when IEEE 1284 bidirectional cables were coming out. For all the regular folks who came in wanting to hook up modems and printers, we had Sandia and Los Alamos folks coming in for large custom orders. [16:43] Learned more there about computers than anywhere else before or since. [16:43] NyteOwl: It's a dry heat. +) [16:43] harlekin (n=harlekin@p57B7F16E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:43] muraii: it's still too hot :p [16:43] muraii, sounds about right. We also have the most private and government space development over at kirtland. :D [16:43] NyteOwl: I prefer it to humid Cincinnati summers. [16:43] though it was cooler than Vegas that summer (124) [16:43] if only I could land a job like that... oh well, after college. [16:44] muraii: I love the sea. I'd hate to live away from it [16:44] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.180) left irc: ""... Leaving; University"" [16:44] wahcordian|work: I lived on Amherst, about three blocks from the civilian airport there. [16:44] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] muraii, off 98th? [16:44] NyteOwl: I feel ya. Just don't get stuck somewhere without a sea or mountains or *something*. [16:45] chopp: http://rafb.net/p/rnEvIC41.html (output of $(ldd /usr/bin/bitlbee) [16:45] muraii: as it is I have both :) [16:45] can anyone explain to me why the onlyonce scripts have no un-install counterpart? [16:46] BP{k}: thanks [16:46] wahcordian|work: No, SE. South of UNM. [16:46] i mean, onlyonce package scripts are there alter the system in some fashion... but a clean package should reverse these changes when removed, right? [16:47] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:47] muraii, craziness. [16:47] muraii, I'm going to be moving in that area real soon. student ghetto :) [16:48] wahcordian|work: Yeah, I had no car for about a year-and-a-half, just bikes. Plural "bikes" only because they kept getting stolen. But I'd go back in a heartbeat. [16:48] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:49] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) joined ##slackware. [16:49] muraii, yeah it's sketchy but there are more good people out there than bad. Just gotta lock your shit up and make sure your place has bars. [16:49] hahah but aside from that it's perfectly safe. [16:50] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:51] Action: muraii reminisces about his first Amiga, biking all over town and up to the tram base, and eating lots of cheap ramen. [16:51] muraii: A500 ? [16:51] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-406736.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:52] lol [16:52] i have an A500 with monitor in the basement [16:52] I have to stop, or the kennyLoginsThemeSong bot will wake up. [16:52] but no "workbench" [16:52] rk4n3: Yup. [16:52] ... got rid of mine [16:52] Leisure Suit Larry on an A500 FTW! [16:52] Zordrak: Ports of Call FTW! [16:53] I had an A3000 as well - had to sell it to pay child support :( [16:53] omfg lol [16:53] ouch [16:53] LSL... been so long since i heard about that game [16:53] that must have been some child support... [16:53] rk4n3: keep penis in pants <---- would have saved your A3000 [16:53] but not saved his libido... tough choice [16:53] Zordrak: yeah, I know - hindsight is 20/20 [16:53] ah, time to test the USB cup warmer i got for xmas :P [16:54] good i am wall plugged [16:54] macavity: mine was shit [16:54] lol [16:54] i dont even want to know how fast it can kill the batery :P [16:54] macavity: I have an A500 with a 1084S and a 20MB SCSI harddrive in the A520 enclosure in my basement. [16:54] Necos: yeah, child support really sucks - $1K/mo [16:54] Zordrak: i plugged it in and put my hand on it... and promptly removed it again.. that thing gets HOT [16:54] gotta love the pricing on computer parts. store buys it for X$ and sells it for X+Y$, 3 days later it's X+Y+50, another 3 days it's X+Y+75, ...x+Y+100 [16:55] geeze [16:55] I still have Gateway to the Savage Frontier and Monday Night Football, among other things, installed. [16:55] and to beeven vaguely useful you have to use that shitty small aluminium cup that burns your knuckles [16:55] greedy bastards [16:55] NyteOwl: no kidding [16:55] muraii: now all you need is a small mod to a cable, and you can use it as a linux terminal [16:55] rk4n3: I had an A3000 because I wanted to play with Real 3D, but then sold it a couple months later for a camera. [16:56] kotomart (n=kotomart@91.103.153.252) joined ##slackware. [16:56] rk4n3: shit, would have been cheaper to keep the kid =p [16:56] muraii: ah, hopefully you got a decent price while they were still selling [16:56] macavity: I'd just like to have a place to set it up, with my Tandy CoCoIII and Tandy 200 (laptop with 19K RAM running on two AAs). [16:56] rk4n3: Yeah, this is all over 10 years ago. [16:56] Necos: no question about it - no choice there though, the courts are definitely biased there [16:56] color computer III omfg i had one of those when i was a kid [16:56] # [16:56] Dungeons of Daggorath anyone? [16:57] c16 used to be my first "box" [16:57] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [16:57] rk4n3: where was the kid born? [16:57] cali? [16:57] lowkyalur: likewise :-) [16:57] Necos: born in Minnesota, but we lived in Colorado at the time of divorce [16:57] ah... [16:57] they're just like cali... female state [16:58] Necos: yeah, they have a nice way of "bundling" alimony into child support and acting like its fair [16:58] sQuEE` (n=narya@host93.201-253-138.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:58] One of the most popuaklr local BBSes ran on a CoCo [16:58] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [16:58] it sure ain't [16:58] lowkyalur: i wrote a clone of copy90 in 12 hours which loaded in about half the time.. i called it copy100, and everyone got pissed at me.. to this day i still cant figure out why they didnt find it funny [16:59] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] lol [17:00] macavity: lol n1 [17:01] kotomart (n=kotomart@91.103.153.252) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:01] macavity: you should have said "OK, fine..." and renamed it to copy45 [17:01] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-155-57-54.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] i guess i was just ahead of my time.. making puns on propietary products seems to be the defacto in Free Software these days [17:02] NyteOwl: Dude, it was all about LORD and Exitilus. :D [17:02] like lindows? [17:02] back then i actually invented my own "1 clause BSD" license: "Copyright Anders Juel Jensen. Your can do what you want with my program." [17:03] ... actually it makes quite a bit of sense that i got hooked when i first head about GNU :P [17:03] rk4n3: hehe. good one too.. however it would sound inferior in the ears of idiot users (aka 99%) [17:04] heh [17:04] counting down is always somewhat limited... [17:05] i always wonder what comes after 'prio 1' [17:05] ...erm : say: before [17:06] sQuEE (n=narya@host137.201-253-134.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] web_knows (n=riba@last.fm/user/web-knows) left ##slackware. [17:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:07] nullboy: so? [17:07] ? [17:08] common... share the new! [17:08] *news [17:08] SPILL IT BOY! [17:09] we know you know it, so dont play "who me?" on us! [17:09] BUT IF IT'S MILK, DON'T CRY OVER IT! [17:09] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.110.176) joined ##slackware. [17:09] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [17:09] uhm.. can anyone remember if i took my pill today? [17:10] hello happy slackers [17:10] macavity, yes you did.. along with a cold beer [17:10] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] Action: lw0x15 is misereable [17:11] any suggestions on what might be a trusted web-based ssh client? don't wanna install putty on my school computer :( [17:11] Ficthe: you dont need to install putty [17:11] :s [17:11] LnxSlck: oooops.... i dont drink... [17:11] Action: macavity gets paranoid [17:11] NaCly (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] ii don't get paranoid [17:11] i get drunk [17:12] Ficthe: Yeah, it's a self-contained executable. [17:12] I realize that's terribly vague, but hopefully instructive anyway. [17:12] ruben231 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [17:12] yes, sorry - and web-based ssh clients can resolve the problem where you're behind a firewall that blocks SSH, eh? [17:13] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] .. if i drank cold beer, which i dont do, while i took pills that i am not on, could that be related to the funny feeling i have that nullboy is actually here to bring us news from his meeting with Obama about making FOSS the only legal kind of software on comodity computers? [17:13] nullboy: you DID just come back from a meeting with Obama, right? [17:13] Ficthe: doubt it [17:13] wtf are you talking about [17:13] no, what are YOU talking about? [17:13] i don't meet with him, he meets with ME [17:13] riiiight [17:13] sorry [17:13] Action: lowkyalur should set up a web based ssh client w/o webserver-to-local encryption, just for fun [17:14] so, what did you make the president "agree" to? [17:15] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:15] night everyone :) [17:15] hey Camarade_Tux [17:15] hi LnxSlck [17:15] (but actually I was going to bed ;p ) [17:16] lowkyalur (n=low@icm9-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "off to bed, bye all and cu around" [17:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] hello, I'm using http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/index.php to set up a firewall, however the box will give dhcp /nat to the local network, it seems that the dhcp request are blocked, does anyone knows how to allow this? or what ports [17:21] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [17:21] mindbendr (n=mindbend@94-194-128-38.zone8.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:21] P4C0: you did check the "gateway" option, right? [17:21] macavity: yes [17:22] macavity: and I have: [17:22] $IPT -A udp_inbound -p UDP -s 0/0 --source-port 67 --destination-port 68 \ [17:22] -j ACCEP [17:22] T :$ [17:22] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:23] you want to accept that on eth1, put drop it on eth0 [17:23] macavity: yes, but as it is it shoudl work on eth1 too right? [17:23] asuming that eth1 faces the LAN, and eth0 faces the internet [17:24] v4nelle (n=van@adsl87-238.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:24] from the looks of it, it should work [17:24] macavity: server gets dhcp from eth0 too (internet interface) [17:25] it does not get dhcp *requests* [17:25] macavity: true, sorry [17:25] macavity: but also there's no log of it [17:25] i am no expert on firewalling [17:26] perhaps the proper way for you to go is this: start with flushing all the rules, then add once feature at the time, untill you know what goes on where [17:26] thats how i did it that one time i did "real firewalling" :P [17:26] macavity: yes i will try, thanks [17:27] if nothing else comes of it, at least you will understand the packet filter process afterwards :P [17:27] there's a video on youtube that explains that very clearly, i'll try to find it [17:27] P4C0: Is guarddog too lite for you? [17:28] http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ldB8kDEtTZA&feature=channel [17:29] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:30] sevenz9 (n=smith@adsl-71-135-0-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] how about this for security FUD ... admins here are being directed by info security to not allow installation of public SSH keys by users, meaning the admins "have to" install them instead of just giving them to the account owners [17:31] ... apparently, they don't think I can look in my own ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file, copy the key I want, and add it to my other accounts at will [17:31] gnubien (n=e@97.100.255.230) joined ##slackware. [17:32] sux [17:32] ... aside from them not seeming to understand the whole point of a "public key", in the first place [17:33] How do I know what /dev/whatever my USB-memorystick is? [17:33] kjell: dmesg [17:33] ty [17:34] fdisk -l should also show. [17:34] lw0x15: heh - it definitely sux that they're that stupid, but its a fair wash in terms of "constraint" - once the put the key into one of my accounts, its the same as if they just gave it to me, so no big deal - its just silly [17:34] anyone know how to join .z01, .z02, .zip files?...I tried the cat command but it didn't work. It says the file is empty :\ [17:34] kjell: /dev/uba* [17:35] kjell: assuming you run slackware 12.2 [17:35] talking about which.. i should get this system upgraded [17:35] macavity: :| hopefully not /dev/ub* [17:36] that's the horribly slow old interface for them iirc [17:36] macavity: It was sdc1 :-o [17:36] that's better :) [17:36] :D Just copied a few things over from the old Windows-computer. [17:36] fred: odd... here memory based sticks show up as ub* and usb-hd-enclosures show up as sd* [17:36] My migrate is doing well. [17:37] macavity: sticks should be sd* too :S [17:37] are all your sticks the same brand or something? [17:37] or really old? [17:37] perhaps its because all my sticks are older than my grand mother :P [17:38] the biggest one is 256MB [17:38] sevenz9: is that a seven-zip or powerzip feature, to break archives up into multiple files ? [17:38] heh [17:38] the others are 64 [17:38] i got a small box full of those for free [17:38] kinda like a free pen with adds on it and everything [17:38] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0278B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-29.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:39] sevenz9: gunzip the first file [17:39] rk4n3: i think it was made in windows with winzip i think. [17:39] sevenz9: it usually pick up the fact that it is multipart, and does them all by itself [17:39] back [17:39] sevenz9: ah - macavity has an idea for you [17:40] macavity: i'll try that [17:40] ... [17:40] at least this is how it works with .rar and .ace [17:41] i hate unraring multi-part files [17:41] grr [17:41] i hate rar [17:41] PERIOD [17:41] haha. [17:41] sevenz9: if gunzip doesn't work on the first file, maybe unzip will [17:41] =) [17:41] macavity: returned "unknown suffix --ignored" [17:41] rk4n3: ok [17:41] unrar e file.rar [17:41] Action: jkwood unrars macavity and discovers the NT kernel source code [17:42] Action: acidchild isn't supprised [17:42] eewww [17:42] jkwood: at least you didt say you unzipped me... [17:42] close 'im back up - quick ! [17:42] macavity: We don't talk about that night. [17:42] macavity: he did that the night before right? [17:43] ...... [17:43] lets talk about Gallium3D instead, shall we? [17:45] sevenz9: after cat-ing the zip parts together into one big file, run "zip -F contatenatedfile.zip" and after that you should be able to use "unzip contatenatedfile.zip" [17:45] rk4n3: unzip didn't work either. Recently I searched on google and it came up with so many ways of doing it on windows and mac. But for linux it said to do "cat .z01 .z02 .zip > new.zip" and then "unzip -F new.zip" but it didn't work [17:45] yea i tried zip -F too [17:45] Action: jkwood wonders what file says [17:45] sevenz9: did you unzip the final product? [17:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] macavity: yea I did before but it didn't work [17:46] sevenz9: or just do "zip -F homecated.zip"? [17:46] it's a very very big file(about 4-5gb) [17:46] so it'll take some time to do 'cat 1 2 3 > new.zip" [17:46] [ in bed ] [17:46] sevenz9: did you literally run the cat with all files in order as arguments, or did you cat them separately ? [17:46] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:47] rk4n3: yup [17:47] .zip is the last file of .z01 and z02 and so on... [17:47] sevenz9: hahaha -- which one ? [17:47] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0278B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:47] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.197) left irc: [17:48] rk4n3: i did all in order like this "cat .z01 .z02 .zip > new.zip" [17:48] sevenz9: OK :) [17:48] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:49] sevenz9: gunzip -S .zip yourfile.zip *should* work [17:49] macavity: i'll try that [17:49] sevenz9: gzip(1) explicitly says that it can handle concatenated files [17:49] if that doesn work, consider the option that one/some of your files may be corrupt [17:51] hmmm, unfortunately, from gunzip man page: Files created by zip can be uncompressed by gzip only if they have a single member compressed with the 'deflation' method. [17:51] ... seems multi-file archives are out (for gunzip) [17:51] damn [17:52] macavity: i doubt it's corrupted because I checked all the file sizes and all are the same except for the last file [17:52] tlkg (n=tlkg@c-68-37-215-123.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] sevenz9: unzip *.z?? [17:53] anyone know what driver i can use for the ralink 2860 chip? [17:53] yea i tried that too [17:53] sevenz9: size and consistancy is not the same thing... [17:53] far far from it [17:53] psykhe (n=psykhe@201-39-105-165-ebt.cm.ja.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:53] macavity: Did you see my solution for the .bin-file? You went to eat at that time. [17:55] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@d-199-229-129.bootp.Virginia.EDU) joined ##slackware. [17:56] darn it, I guess i'll have to transfer it to windows and try winzip or hjsplit or whatever i can find to fix this. [17:56] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] kjell: nope.. just give me the timestamp [17:58] kjell: i have a hefty back-log :P [17:58] macavity: Hehe, well. I just executed it. [17:58] :D [17:58] su or something, was the command. [17:58] huh?!? [17:59] su is Switch User [17:59] oh :D [17:59] no not su :D [17:59] sevenz9: if this turns out to be a 7z multi-file archive, you can try PeaZip on Linux [17:59] sh! [17:59] now would be a good time to start making sense and describe the entire scenario to me [17:59] macavity: Not like sssh, more like the command 'sh'. [17:59] rk4n3: isn't that the same as p7zip? [17:59] i have *no* ide what you are talking about [18:00] sh binfile.bin [18:00] oh, obviously [18:00] sevenz9: similar, different software [18:00] but you told me that it was "a tar file in the bin format" [18:00] which i interpreted as "a tarball with a binary version of the program" [18:00] rk4n3: i tried with p7zip but no luck...i'll try out PeaZip [18:01] which is something intirely different from a shar [18:01] Folnin (n=Folnin@2001:778:12:24:219:d1ff:fe31:ad72) left irc: "Time makes no sense" [18:01] macavity: ahaaaa! I was explaining like an asshole then. It was a bin-file INSIDE the tar, whom i untared :D [18:01] a shar is a SHell ARchive [18:01] sevenz9: worth a shot, I'd think :) [18:01] that is, you can actually open it in a text editor and see the magic [18:01] :D [18:02] the binary goop starts at something like line 20 with DATA=" [18:02] and then all the crap starts [18:02] And now I've got rtorrent installed. I'm beginning to like slack more and more. [18:02] yes.. and now you have a package installed on your system that you cant remove cleanly again :P [18:02] \o/ [18:03] Why would I like to remove rtorrent? :-D [18:03] kjell: oh, you make me laugh :) [18:03] rk4n3: Great, because I'm fucking dumb from time to time? [18:04] uhm, rtorrent wasnt in a shar, was it?!? [18:04] jkell: no, just a little bit silly :) [18:04] rtorrent was a regular slackware package or slackbuild, no? [18:04] macavity: In a slackbuild? [18:04] >_< [18:04] focus [18:04] lol [18:04] i just told you what a shar is [18:04] that .bin file was a shar [18:04] what was in that? [18:05] Zend Studio for Eclipse 6.1 [18:05] >_ thats the one i was talking about when i said "now you have a package you cant remove cleanly" [18:05] Aha! [18:05] :D [18:05] see the manpages for shar and unshar [18:05] Yes sir! [18:05] josemanuel (n=josemanu@125.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:06] then see if unshar'ing that .bin file does not resolve into a nice directory [18:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:06] if it does, i think you may want to create a proper package with makepkg [18:06] anyone can help me one doubt in english ? [18:06] sure littlebitch ;-) [18:07] Action: macavity ducks [18:07] macavity: It's proprietary. Am I allowed? [18:07] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:07] hehe [18:07] kjell: as long as you dont redistribute it [18:07] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:07] hey [18:07] macavity: in US is normal say "incomplete higher education"? [18:07] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:07] macavity: Hm, will I benefit from doing a proper package for my self when it's already installed? [18:08] kjell: but once you have a proper package, you can use installpkg/removepkg on it to have properly removed [18:08] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [18:08] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [18:08] gar0t0: That sounds okay, though there's probably a better way to put it. [18:08] kjell: the benefit comes when an upgrade comes out.. you should not trust the Zend guys to actually check for such things in a .bin file [18:09] jkwood: hmmm... [18:09] nfoss (n=codehabi@pool-71-112-166-132.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:09] matt5_ (n=river@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:09] kjell: if you insist on creating your own packages, when none is available, you gain full controll over your system [18:09] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:09] with a name like "Smuckers", it HAS to be good [18:09] kjell: that is one of the hallmarks of Slackware... full controll [18:09] jkwood: I need to talk "I stop my college" [18:09] Ah, okay. Hmm... [18:10] "Completed some college" ought to cover it. [18:10] macavity: But, uninstalling this one properly aint possible. Should I do another clean install then? [18:11] Shmore (i=HydraIRC@24.102.36.77) joined ##slackware. [18:11] kjell: if you make a package by unshar'ing the .bin, and install that package, you will over write all the files (with identical ones), put a package log will be put in /var/log/packages/ [18:11] squosl (n=squosl@32.152.241.181) left irc: "We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richar [18:11] kjell: and that package log is what removepkg reads [18:12] kjell: so this is kind of a kind of "short circuit" of your problem :P [18:12] kjell: do you understand what i am trying to explain? [18:13] Although it aint possible cause the unshar didn't work. I understand what you are trying to explain and I see how I could benefit. [18:13] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [18:13] no luck with unshar? [18:13] The included VM could not be extracted. [18:13] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Try to download again blurp blurp etc. [18:13] i can haz direct url to download that fscker? [18:14] totally OT but this is an interesting read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox [18:14] macavity: Hmz, u muzt haz account. [18:14] from /. [18:14] WHAT?!? [18:14] you should not be running that thing [18:14] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.135.216) joined ##slackware. [18:14] screw it [18:14] jkwood: thanks man [18:14] :) [18:14] do you have to bend over and lupe up too? :P [18:15] lupe? [18:15] ;x [18:15] macavity: If its possible to change password I can give my account to you [18:15] kjell: gimme an account [18:15] kjell: dont bother [18:15] to what i dunno but gimme one [18:15] plz [18:16] acidchild: lolol [18:16] kjell: if it is this much of a hazzle, you just have to live with the fact that there is stuff on your system you probably cant remove cleanly [18:16] macavity: porn :( [18:16] I guess. [18:16] it will always be on the keyboard [18:16] kjell: lets hope the next version indeed does version checking before it upgrades.. otherwise you are fscked [18:16] fo life [18:17] kjell: perhaps sh nameofthe.bin --help can do something for you? [18:17] kjell: if you are very very lucky it supports --prefix or --install-path [18:17] kjell: then you can just point it to an empty dir, and use makepkg :P [18:18] unshar? cause sh and --help did launch the installer [18:18] shit [18:18] no, they dont want to help you [18:18] oh [18:18] I was too dumb to understand a thing. [18:18] Hold on [18:18] only way now is a text editor and some mad hax :P [18:19] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:19] kjell: chmod +x name.bin && ./name.bin --help [18:20] kjell: sorry, i didnt think at first [18:20] macavity: http://pastebin.ca/1325787 [18:20] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.173) joined ##slackware. [18:21] that doesnt look helpfull.. unless one knows how those "property" files are created [18:22] but.. why do you use such crap? [18:22] fire up kate go commando on the code :P [18:22] or KDevelop if you are a total sucker for IDEs [18:22] Hehe well, I like the overview it gives me. [18:23] Zordrak: you were right.. USB cup warmers are worth sh*t [18:24] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-150-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) left irc: Client Quit [18:24] Zordrak: its so hot that i burn my fingers on it.. yet it does not manage to keep the coffee warm ?!? [18:24] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.110.176) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [18:24] kjell: well.. each to their own [18:24] macavity: How old are you? I'm 18. [18:24] kjell: i do, however, reccomend that you try out each and every single IDE/source editor out there before you deside [18:24] kjell: 31 [18:25] Trying takes time :o [18:25] your still young :P [18:25] :D [18:25] the earlier you become a "hot shot" the longer time you have to enjoy it ;-) [18:25] Action: lw0x15 feels young [18:25] Action: lw0x15 is young actually [18:26] lw0x15: How young? [18:26] 17 in march =] [18:26] nice [18:26] I thought he was 0x15 [18:26] (aka 21) [18:26] hehe [18:26] Urchlay: Who? lw0x15? [18:26] yeah [18:27] I thought he were round 16-19 [18:27] ;] [18:27] not in a hurry to get old here ;P [18:28] Of course not, but it doesn't have to be a bad thing. I enjoy being my age, and plan to keep that going ;) [18:28] I plan to age in reverse [18:28] ;-D [18:28] as soon as I figure out how [18:30] kjell: when i took java class i used a text editor (kate in particular), and the others used some GUI gizmo i never looked at... in the beginning they were faster than me, because their program generated all the project code and stuff... after about two weeks, i had all my "autoproject" files generated by a shellscript, and documentation search written in a small clisp program.. guess who was always done in about 1/3 of the expected time? [18:31] you took a java class, but you already knew lisp? you had a bit of an advantage :) [18:31] those two are *not* comparable [18:31] in any way or fashion what so ever [18:31] ... though i already knew C and a little C++ [18:31] malcom (n=malcom@host35-34-static.23-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:32] no, but if you knew lisp, you had already wrapped your head around more complex stuff than you'd learn in a java class [18:32] and that was the real catch.. i just had to focus on the syntax [18:32] Some of the programming concepts carry over. A fair few university programming courses start with a lisp-derived language. [18:32] sevenz9 (n=smith@adsl-71-135-0-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [18:32] Hi all [18:32] Mostly because of MIT's SICP book [18:32] yar, I remember trying to learn java and C++ at the same time. Drove me nuts [18:32] lol [18:33] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [18:33] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:33] i only use a small subset of common lisp to deal with text [18:33] i am by no means a lisper [18:33] macavity: I see. [18:33] but the macro system is bloody fscking nice to do text substitution with :P [18:33] autoproject? [18:33] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-97.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] Sounds fucking awsome. [18:34] i cant seem to get to start learning a language ;-/ [18:34] I tend to use perl for folding, spindling, and mutilating text [18:34] Action: lw0x15 maybe when he's older [18:34] but then I barely know anything about lisp, for all I know it's 100x better [18:34] started* [18:34] lw0x15: better to start young [18:34] lw0x15: grap "The C Programming Language, 2nd Ed." and start crunching [18:35] ++macavity; [18:35] lw0x15: it is short, concise, and unix-centric :P [18:35] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-97.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:35] hmm ill take a look at it [18:35] I like "A Book on C" myself. [18:35] lw0x15: You certainly wont regret starting doing programming in such a young age. [18:36] lw0x15: then, once you know "what C looks like" you get "Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment, 2nd Ed" and learn what *real* C code is supposed to do [18:36] which one's got a picture of a blue fish on the cover? subtitle is "deep blue C", I can never remember the actual title [18:36] I was doing some VB6 (It's like saying Voldermort, in here?) when I was younger. It helped me a lot later. [18:36] lol kjell [18:36] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:36] macavity: alrite thanks, ill put those onto my google page to-do list [18:36] lw0x15: Have you met limac yet? [18:36] =] [18:37] It could've been worse, kjell. At least it wasn't COBOL ;) [18:37] Urchlay: that one is so outdated that you need to be *quite* proficient in C to tell when it is adressing the K&R standard and when it is c89 [18:37] jkwood: not really no, why? [18:37] Urchlay: hang on... for title [18:37] He's the youngest coder in here. I think he's either 12 or 13. [18:37] Urchlay: Prentice Hall - Expert C Programming Deep C Secrets [18:37] woah [18:37] macavity: well back when I was reading it, ANSI hadn't taken over the C world entirely yet :) [18:37] limac :-) [18:38] "The arguments are not, in general, mutually exclusive. For example, it could be that both life is rare, and technical civilizations tend to destroy themselves" [18:38] lol [18:38] jkwood: must be second woz ;> [18:39] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [18:40] lw0x15: He's a bright young fella. I wish I'd gotten into programming when I was his age. [18:41] jkwood: when did you got into then ? :] [18:41] its easy too learn new stuff when your young and yer heads empty [18:41] lol [18:41] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:41] Well, we did BASIC in school when I was 13, but I didn't do "real programming" until I got into college. [18:42] jkwood: you were saying earlier that you were building FlDigi for Slackware ? [18:42] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [18:42] lw0x15: may i PM you? [18:42] sure [18:43] foureyes779: http://slaxer.com/chucks/fldigi.tar.gz [18:43] jkwood: tnx [18:43] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:43] That's my SlackBuild for it. I haven't tested it yet, so let me know if it doesn't work. [18:43] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [18:43] hi [18:44] did someone try the new ati driver ? it fails to load the module, and im without x right now =P [18:44] jkwood: whats really sad is I got 2.10.3 to build on my other desktop, just dont remember how I did it [18:45] didnt take any notes at all....D'oh [18:45] foureyes779: Well, I'm going to create a vm to build all my ham stuff in, and submit everything that works to SBo. [18:46] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [18:46] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009151095.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:47] jkwood: cool [18:47] which public DNS server is fast? [18:47] my ISP has just blocked TPB at the DNS level [18:47] :o [18:47] opendns is pretty fast, in my experience. [18:48] thx [18:48] TPB is blocked??? lame [18:48] macavity: HHAHAHAH [18:49] macavity, opendns [18:49] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [18:49] macavity, though i honestly recommend just switching ISPs [18:49] blocking sites will make me move [18:49] It could be they're just having some issues. Did you verify this with them? [18:49] OWNED [18:50] macavity, what ISP anyways? [18:51] edman007: stofanet.. a now owned by telia [18:51] edman007: actually it isnt "my" ISP... this is the wifi-loaner :P [18:53] ohh..the free type of ISP? [18:53] no [18:53] macavity: did you do a dig on tpb to find out he added a local entry? [18:53] the chop-chop kind of internet :P [18:53] lol [18:53] lol [18:53] agentc0reWORK: my browser was redirected to an explanation page [18:54] Oh, that's even better! :) hahahaha. [18:54] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "leaving" [18:54] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [18:54] xleonardox (n=xlx@xleox.org) left irc: ""Just leaving..."" [18:54] then nslookup told me that it was not a transparent proxy, but at the DNS level [18:54] so, edit resolv.conf and problem is solved :P [18:54] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:55] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [18:55] how to install .rh7.rf.noarch.rpm...? [18:55] ruben23: you dont want to do that [18:56] juan--d-1-b (n=juan--d-@190.159.109.69) joined ##slackware. [18:56] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Client Quit [18:56] macavity:..? [18:56] someone with ati problems ? i cant load the new kernel module T.T [18:57] ruben23: What are you trying to install? [18:57] ruben23: rpms does not play well with slackware.. obviously [18:57] ruben23: More specific, cuz i know you are trying to install an rpm, but what program? [18:58] psykhe (n=psykhe@201-39-105-165-ebt.cm.ja.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:58] I have really cool shoes on. [18:58] Just thought ya'll should know. [18:58] i have no shoes on [18:58] fail [18:58] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:59] :P [18:59] They are slip-ons that have the composition note book pattern all over them. :D [18:59] malcom (n=malcom@host35-34-static.23-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [19:00] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "See you later..." [19:00] my feet are comfortable, its much better than any shoes i have ever had [19:00] i have a pair of those Haflinger wool slippers :D very comfortable [19:01] wool slippers? they sound itchy. [19:01] I want some rocket boots. [19:01] not with socks, keep your feet warm and dry (no sweat) [19:01] I'm actually pretty disappointed in the fact that it's 2009 and we don't have them. [19:01] foureyes879 (n=theron@97-113-190-170.tukw.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] Action: wahcordian|work has high expectations. [19:02] i want an intergalatic space ship, something that can hit a few hundred light years per hour [19:02] i want to see flying cars and flying motorcycles [19:02] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:02] edman007: i can hitch ride, yes? kkthxbai! [19:02] there are someone that is using gvfs? [19:02] Nick change: juan--d-1-b -> juan--d-_-b [19:02] with slackware 12.2 [19:02] macavity, sure, you just have to buy it [19:02] and give it to me [19:03] eeek [19:03] Jr (n=chatzill@189.74.96.21) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:04] who has a ham radio license? i heard someone on CB radio today that must have modded a DTMF microphone in to a roger beep mic, it did three or four quick DTMF tones every time he let off the key (i wonder how he did that) [19:05] Jr (n=chatzill@189.74.96.21) left irc: Client Quit [19:05] Jr (n=chatzill@189.74.96.21) joined ##slackware. [19:05] Sounds more like a dtmf code generator than an actual mic. [19:06] could be [19:06] Pig_Pen: why not beef radio? that way the muslims can join in on it too... [19:06] not sure, ask the hams [19:07] macavity: I'm sure they'll come along and appropriate that too one of these days. [19:08] if I build jar in linux, will it run on windows? [19:08] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:09] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_ham_radio macavity [19:11] skibur: It should. [19:11] you build jar how what ? [19:11] netbean [19:11] ham radio is easy, just stick some bacon in a normal AM radio and it works [19:11] v4nelle (n=van@adsl87-238.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] Pig_Pen, a lot of mics can be programmed to do that [19:13] Jr (n=chatzill@189.74.96.21) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [19:13] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [19:14] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:14] Action: edman007 hates how FF dies under high IO load [19:15] Action: lw0x15 hates how ff can crash X with fullscreen video [19:16] Action: macavity just hates FF [19:16] but we still use it :( [19:16] i mostly dont [19:16] konqueror does most sites right for me [19:16] ... except slashdot :-/ [19:16] i never use any plugins in firefox, i prefer to lock firefox down with NoScript and AdBlock Plus [19:17] konqueror gives off some javascript error for one site i visit often [19:17] :( [19:17] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] i can't live without my tab plugin... [19:17] err "extension" [19:19] Action: juan--d-_-b hates ati [19:19] Also, who is acting as your key parent and what is there email address for [19:19] sigh [19:19] my fucking TEACHER just sent me that [19:19] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:19] lol [19:20] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:20] And then people disagree when I talk about how much the public ed system suchs. [19:20] sucks, too. [19:21] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:22] laters [19:22] cya [19:22] wahcordian|work (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:24] acidchild, mooooo [19:25] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "leaving" [19:27] wat (n=wat@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: [19:27] Zack Rusin is my hero! [19:28] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:29] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:29] Nick change: imexius_ -> imexius [19:32] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:33] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.13.34) joined ##slackware. [19:34] guys, is there any asterisk user around? [19:39] heh [19:40] Nick change: foureyes879 -> foureyes779 [19:40] * [19:41] hi foureyes779 [19:41] Gargantua: re 'there' aw, man. but give the benefit of the doubt unless it happens again. Everyone thinkos like that from time to time. [19:41] maybe [19:41] are you the same beej from the networking tutorial? [19:42] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:42] Gargantua: guilty! :) [19:42] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] what hurts government run public schools most is the damn teacher's union, tenure should be illegal [19:42] beej71, oh man. [19:42] your "jokes" were killing me. [19:42] heheh [19:42] glad to hear it. :) [19:43] lol it was pretty informative though [19:43] gar0t0_ (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [19:43] Though I think you should add a few more pointers about windows [19:43] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201009114007.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:43] Gargantua: actually, on the lines of stupid errors, my friend just pointed out an error in the Guide at least 10 years old a couple days ago. Used contraction "it's" for a possessive. [19:43] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.135.216) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:43] Gargantua: I know the rules for it's and its, but it was just a non-thinking mistake. [19:43] the guide is 10 years old/ [19:43] wow [19:44] Gargantua: actually I think it was first pub'd in 1994. [19:44] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:44] wow [19:44] that's two years younger than me [19:45] Gargantua: re windows, I'm not opposed to it, but I'd have to fire up the old XP machine and I'd hate to do that. ;) [19:45] kids :P [19:45] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:45] Pig_Pen: howdy, how's DX ? [19:45] anybody know if there is anything worng with ntp.nasa.gov right now? [19:45] Gargantua: heh! It's a multi-generational guide! ;) [19:45] the time it is showing is not right :S [19:45] :D [19:45] It was a pretty decent introductory. [19:46] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:46] Gargantua: that's its whole raison d'etre... (note proper use of "its"!) [19:46] I mean it was a bit painful on Windows, at the time I tried to install ubuntu, which lacked all of the essential source files. [19:46] >.<; [19:46] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:47] yay now i can irc at work [19:47] \o/ [19:47] Which left me a bit confused as I thought the code would work on all nix's. [19:47] ssh to home comp for irc ftw [19:47] Gargantua: what was missing on ubuntu? [19:48] headers? [19:48] yeah but it didnt occur to me to -j REDIRECT on port 80 for 2 weeks [19:48] Necos: what if college is the port ;-/ [19:48] blocking* [19:48] you use port 8- [19:48] 80 [19:48] All ofthe arpa headers, yeah. [19:48] iptables -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 22 [19:49] Gargantua: I get feedback about various other systems I don't have and try to work the info into the guide's introduction... I'll see if I can get some ubuntu info in there. [19:49] spook: thanks [19:49] I for some reason can't figure out how to ssh to my system over school computer. I have been trying to use Putty(windows machine) [19:49] Gargantua: from what I've seen of the winsock api these days, it's much more similar to BSD sockets than it was in the win3.1/NT days. [19:50] limac: use that iptables line, and then use putty to connect to your machine, on port 80 [19:50] spook: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name [19:50] lw0x15: ummm [19:50] spook: I have been trying on port 22 :S [19:50] oh oh oh [19:50] :P [19:51] iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 22 [19:51] limac: you need to use 80, 22 is most likely blocked. [19:51] spook: hmm, so for putty, I swtich to port 80, and just enter my public IP? [19:53] nix_chix0r: <3 [19:53] beej71, I pretty much just had to include winsock and all of the code worked pretty well [19:53] limac: yes, using that iptable rule [19:53] Shmore (i=HydraIRC@24.102.36.77) left ##slackware. [19:53] with a few modifications of course, but nothing major. [19:53] lw0x15: work that time? [19:53] yep [19:53] yeah i kinda forgot to add the -t nat [19:53] lw0x15: how are you? [19:54] acidchild: pretty good thanks, yourself? [19:54] acidchild: i think the real question is, b4irootu,ru over 16 [19:54] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.13.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:54] lol [19:54] spook are you from Russia? [19:55] curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'b4irootu.ru' [19:55] Pig_Pen: yes. thats why my hostmast says i'm from russia. [19:55] mask rather [19:55] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:56] hmm, i was googleing for two-way radios, and i seen a good looking CB/10 meter base station radio that is made in Russia [19:56] spook: odd.. i think you smell like an ausie :P [19:56] Pig_Pen: junksale.com? i think is good place to look for exCB/PMR equipment [19:56] spook: where can I issue that iptables command? [19:57] macavity: yes well, a geoip would tell you that. [19:57] limac: from a commandline? [19:57] in windows? [19:57] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] or if you have an iptables script, ....... [19:57] limac: on your home machine [19:57] oh ok. [19:57] :) [19:57] spook: will give that a try, thanks :) [19:57] what it does it cause inbound connections on port 80, to be silently redirected to port 22 [19:58] why would you do that? [19:58] e1z0 (n=null@84.32.74.241) joined ##slackware. [19:58] :O [19:58] because outbound port 22 might be blocked at school/work [19:58] or college [19:58] i find telnet on port 80 is better. [19:58] or a apache backdoor... [19:59] change password everday [19:59] =] [19:59] yeah well, more than one way to skin a cat [19:59] or... using SSL web shell [19:59] yep [19:59] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [20:00] specifically for irc, that solution (or reconfiguring ssh) is the easiest [20:00] CGI:IRC over SSL :D [20:00] change the word 'irc' to something else like 'google' lol [20:00] lol [20:01] unless you are running a webserver on your box, in which case perhaps 443 is a better choice. unless you have a proper ssl certificate for your box (running https://) in which case... [20:01] had a website on geocities when i was way young on 'ways to get around school firewalls' so n00b lol [20:01] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009151095.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:01] spook: self signed? -] [20:01] i run irssi in screen, so this solution works for me [20:01] =] [20:01] yeah me too [20:01] but i never go anywhere firewalled these days [20:02] i'm at a school, in it, so... [20:02] :( [20:02] when i asked sysadmin guy if i could have outbound 22, he asked why, then said no [20:02] lol [20:03] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) joined ##slackware. [20:04] it's the [20:04] eye of the tiger something something of the night [20:04] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [20:04] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) joined ##slackware. [20:04] something something just a man and his will [20:04] too surviiiiiiiive [20:04] uhuh [20:04] mesa_7_4_brach was tagged 11 days ago [20:04] spook: fuck system administrators [20:04] =P [20:04] .. and gallium3d is preparing to merge [20:05] are you using linux at school? [20:05] on the desktop? [20:05] this is sooner than expected :P [20:05] acidchild: he sits right behind me and just got me a coffee, and refused to let me pay him back for it [20:05] haha. [20:05] the esx host is linux-based and i have cygwin installed... [20:05] you can arp scan there network, get a typology of how it works if you don't know [20:06] start determining what networks are protected and what aint. [20:06] people rely on ACL's way too much and thinking unknown networks are secure. [20:06] i have a domain administrator account, i can rdp to any of the servers... [20:06] iptables -I INPUT -s 10.0.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT is so common [20:06] haha ok [20:06] you work there or go to school there? [20:07] work. [20:07] and/or [20:07] its a k-12 thing [20:07] you a evil system administrator? [20:07] work placement? co-op? intern? [20:07] no i'm a consultant for this sharepoint thing called scholaris [20:07] cool [20:07] what you consulting? [20:07] i worked with it at another school, the school i went to hs at. i'm 4th year uni, comp sci [20:08] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-406736.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:08] i assume all networks are hostile, even my own [20:08] making it all work, hand holding teachers to setup virtual classrooms [20:09] i cant go away from my desk, because if i do, i get a minimum of 8 emails while away [20:09] nullboy: the building network i'm on is 10.1.0.0/24 to a router i control, so many people put there routers in as switchs and run off my gateway so i got people on all diffrent subnets broadcasting dhcp inturn lots of mis-directed traffic to sniff. [20:09] spook: sucks eh? =P [20:09] holy crap [20:09] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:09] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.173) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:09] that sounds really noisy [20:10] currently i am waiting for like 4 people to email me back. [20:10] nullboy: i run IDS at the gateway so its managable [20:10] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:10] one of them ( my boss ) is currently teaching [20:10] spook: whats your email? [20:10] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:10] ha [20:10] lol [20:10] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] awiren@wesley.wa.edu.au [20:10] >=P [20:10] UserHH43 (n=Holocaus@201.3.78.74) joined ##slackware. [20:11] i also have awi@allsaints.wa.edu.au and ash@gapre.com.au [20:11] Ash? [20:12] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:12] yes. [20:12] spook: ashley ? [20:12] just got this: i cannot remember my scholaris password. are you able to help me? [20:12] lw0x15: yes [20:12] spook: :( fu [20:12] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-27-197.nctv.com) left irc: [20:12] me too [20:12] lol [20:13] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] think we went through this line of conversation like 2 months ago, except in pm [20:13] hey people, somebody can help me? I installed the slackware 12.2, but when the installation is complete and I reboot the system, the lilo load de linux and the screen stay black [20:13] spook: lol [20:13] acidchild: you have that awesome female friend, right? [20:13] :> [20:13] i have a few haha [20:14] maybe i can't remember that convo. [20:14] UserHH43: stays black? how long did you wait? [20:14] it was maybe more like 4 months ago [20:14] spook, a loong time =D [20:14] long* [20:15] (I'm from brazil, sorry for the bad english) [20:15] UserHH43: do you have a graphics card? [20:15] UserHH43: do you get error messages and info stuff down the screen before it goes black? [20:15] lol [20:15] yes man, i have a Geforce graphic card [20:15] without error messages [20:16] is it just a black screen? or is there text on it? [20:16] like a login prompt? [20:16] just a black screen [20:16] what framebuffer mode did you choose? [20:16] Death Star mode [20:16] The slackware is installed in a SATA HD, and I have a IDE HD too [20:17] ;p [20:17] spook, the default [20:17] boot loader loading off the wrong disk? [20:17] maybe mmm... [20:17] maybe [20:17] UserHH43: is there a prompt ? [20:17] disconnect the ide, see what happens [20:18] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] spook, oh shit! really? xD [20:18] hm [20:18] as in, it might tell us something, it might not [20:19] UserHH43: feed vga=NORMAL to lilo prompt [20:19] in slackware 12 exist a option to load a kernel with "all-generic-ide" [20:19] if you can somehow ;)) [20:19] ... [20:19] Can it work? [20:20] kkkyle (i=kkkyle@dialup-4.225.92.3.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] ok [20:20] I will try [20:20] DESTROY! [20:20] thank's [20:20] acidchild: ?? [20:23] fixes everything [20:24] oh [20:28] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [20:29] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:30] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@plns-205-238-236-175-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [20:31] i need to ask a gure a question...if any are available..? [20:31] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:31] guru? [20:31] =O [20:31] yea [20:31] oops [20:32] go for it [20:32] It's dark. You might be eaten by a grue. [20:32] don't ask what a guru can do for you .. but instead ask what you can do for a guru [20:33] hint: mind altering drugs always goes down well. [20:33] save the ales, drink more beer [20:33] kethry: I can haz? [20:33] is there a compizfusion package i can download through windows and then install on my slackware partition? ... i have a dual boot [20:33] kethry: for sure [20:33] d_garbage (n=free@unaffiliated/dgarbage/x-348756) joined ##slackware. [20:33] BP{k}: only if you promise to do them outside. so i don't have to listen to you sing. [20:34] kkkyle: look at fusion-icon on slackbuilds.org [20:34] and avoid linuxpackages.net [20:34] linuxpackages seems so out of date to me [20:35] cowboy123 (n=cowboy12@adsl-232-40-38.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] ... [20:35] ok [20:35] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] d_garbage (n=free@unaffiliated/dgarbage/x-348756) left ##slackware ("Laters"). [20:35] what spook ? [20:36] cowboy123 (n=cowboy12@adsl-232-40-38.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:36] and avoid linuxpackages.net at all costs. [20:36] even if your life depends on it [20:36] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [20:36] lol, ok....may i ask why [20:36] cowboy123 (n=cowboy12@adsl-232-40-38.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] death is better [20:37] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:37] kkkyle: [30-01-2009][16:43] ( fred) they don't follow the "minimum dependencies" rule, they don't document their dependenecies, they don't enforce building in a clean chroot, and they don't do enough QA. [20:38] aha [20:38] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:39] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [20:39] btw, fred is the maintainer for slamd64, so he does know what hes talking about. [20:39] woah a celebrity :> [20:39] nah hes not elistist, hes a nice guy. [20:39] Any recommendations for a hard disk repair books? [20:40] books? [20:40] spook: i meant in a good way =] [20:40] ACTION is away: Auto-Away após 20 minutos idle (since: 23:40:30) HH 4.3 [20:41] .... [20:41] fred is a celebrity. [20:41] UserHH43: When you get back. Please turn of auto-away. [20:41] :s [20:41] UserHH43 : turn that crap off [20:41] BP{k}, não estou aqui. (Auto-Away após 20 minutos idle) HH 4.3 [20:41] ananke, não estou aqui. (Auto-Away após 20 minutos idle) HH 4.3 [20:41] slackboy: wtf mate? [20:41] what the.. [20:41] UserHH43 : test [20:41] spook: yes books. [20:41] kleanchap: does the term "no user servicable parts inside" mean anything to you? [20:41] UserHH43: Turn off auto-away. [20:41] jkwood, não estou aqui. (Auto-Away após 20 minutos idle) HH 4.3 [20:42] :)) [20:42] Action: jkwood looks at slackboy [20:42] what the hell is this [20:42] Action: BP{k} wonders if we can get him kicked that way for flooding. [20:42] kleanchap: while it is possible to repair HD's (they're not overly complicated) to do so properly requries a clean room [20:43] you don't have to have a clean room just to move the platters into a good case to recovery data but without one the disk won't last long post operation [20:43] I had a book on design and constructon of both floppy and HD's but not sure where it is right now. [20:43] best way to recover from a hdd: bag of dry rice, pack the hdd inside the bag, put in freezer. [20:44] nullboy, true but after you're done you may as well just throw them away [20:44] remove entire bag, clear the connectors, leave hdd in bag while running recovery. [20:44] NyteOwl: yep [20:44] UserHH43: blah blah blah [20:44] spook, não estou aqui. (Auto-Away após 20 minutos idle) HH 4.3 [20:44] UserHH43: blah blah blah blah blah [20:44] lol [20:46] what's a good resource to learn tcp/ip in-depth, after you've studied Network+? [20:47] Sam's Teach Yourself....24 Hours? [20:47] sams teach yourself in 10 years [20:47] =] [20:47] heh, might be for me [20:47] cowboy123: the cisco tcp/ip books are good too [20:48] cisco; thanks. didn't think about them [20:48] cowboy123: anything that claims learn x in y hours/days/weeks is to be avoided [20:48] good thing i haven't bought any Sam's books then [20:48] especially the ccna/ccda/ccnp/ccdp/ccie books [20:48] those are great [20:49] my dad has his ccnp/ccdp [20:49] most th8ings by O'Reilly [20:49] NyteOwl: to avoid? [20:49] no to read [20:49] are good [20:49] oh [20:49] :> [20:49] O'Reilly print goodbooks [20:50] i've the o'reilly linux system admin...hadn't read it yet. not ready. :) [20:50] brb [20:50] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:50] new slackware security patch [20:51] woot [20:51] Action: lw0x15 goes to apply [20:51] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:51] http://www.bofhcam.org/co-larters/bofh-nutshell/index.html [20:51] thats a good book [20:52] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: No route to host [20:52] ha [20:52] hmm that is a lot more commands than needed on the cover ;) [20:52] lol [20:53] Been a good boy today. [20:53] guitarma14 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:57] there used to be an awesome tshirt there, "help! a horrid little monkey" [20:57] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [20:58] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [21:01] spook, the slackware 12.2 is running \o/ [21:01] UserHH43: you have turned your autoaway off? [21:01] BP{k}, não estou aqui. (Auto-Away após 20 minutos idle) HH 4.3 [21:01] appears not [21:02] lol [21:02] I boot him with the Slackware DVD installation in the firt screen, to select de kernel, you know? [21:02] UserHH43: stop that already [21:02] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Client Quit [21:02] nullboy, não estou aqui. (Auto-Away após 20 minutos idle) HH 4.3 [21:02] just stop it [21:02] wtf [21:02] spook, ...and the lilo was wrong [21:02] what [21:02] He scares me :( [21:03] I fix it [21:03] and it work's \o/ [21:03] thank you very much [21:03] now go fix your auto-away [21:03] ahuauhauhauh [21:03] yes man [21:03] =D [21:03] sorry [21:03] Action: lw0x15 didnt like that evil laugh at all [21:03] see you later [21:03] this looks like a damn 4chan thread [21:03] bye [21:03] nullboy: lmao [21:04] UserHH43 (n=Holocaus@201.3.78.74) left irc: " * Hollywood Holocaust 4.3 by makkoy * http://www.HHolocaust.com *" [21:04] holocaust script... :s [21:04] is he banned yet? [21:04] i wish [21:04] sounds mirc-ish [21:06] slackboy really dropped the ball [21:07] slackboy: we really need to talk about your TPS reports. [21:07] not really, I think slackboy only kicks on changing your nickname to "away" [21:07] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.146.169.85) joined ##slackware. [21:07] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:11] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:11] If you're not careful, you will be eaten by a grue. [21:11] anyone use blender from sbo? [21:11] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-104.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:11] oops.. that conversation was far back in my scrollback buffer. [21:11] it segfaults on me here [21:11] It works for me. [21:11] im still on 12.1 [21:12] macavity: let me check it real quick [21:12] macavity: what's sbo? [21:12] SlackBuilds.org [21:13] ah. [21:13] v4nelle (n=van@adsl87-238.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Looks like I have a binary install of blender I put up ages ago. [21:15] macavity: when does it segfault> [21:15] ? [21:16] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [21:17] at launch time [21:17] kkkyle (i=kkkyle@dialup-4.225.92.3.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left irc: [21:18] macavity: trying... [21:18] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [21:19] i am building it from source instead... [21:19] macavity: the slackbuilds one works for me. :( [21:19] O_O [21:19] are you on 12.1 or 12.2? [21:20] BP{k}: theres alot of things slackboy doesnt do, that he should [21:20] ImmutableDark (n=m0@c220-237-99-49.randw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [21:20] spook: such as? [21:20] macavity: 12.2 [21:20] worked on 12.1 here [21:20] spook: actually i think he is the most pleasant bot ive ever come across.. because he never talks, and kicks idiots in the arse :P [21:20] XGizzmo_: strange.. [21:21] XGizzmo_: could this be a graphics driver issue? [21:21] i know nothing about this type of app [21:21] I guess it could be [21:21] intel here [21:22] did 12.1 -> 12.2 include any toolchain updates? [21:22] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:22] nullboy: not that I know [21:22] nope [21:22] nullboy: the sbo version is a binary repackage [21:22] but someone had to build it, probably panzer [21:22] same glibc and binutils, minor gcc update [21:22] nope [21:23] the blender project did [21:23] yeah, panzer [21:23] lol [21:23] huh? [21:23] he is a builder [21:23] ah, ok [21:23] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] but it is not distro specific, so god knows what platform it was build on [21:23] yeah [21:24] the toolchain is obvious [21:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] i dont follow? [21:24] macavity: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/blender-in-slackware-12.1-intel-card-i915-driver-641519/ [21:25] macavity: he doesnt kick people called macavity, when he should. he also doesnt kick people called ubuntu, or people who flood slowly enough. [21:25] XGizzmo_: thx [21:25] spook: heh :P [21:26] cowboy123 (n=cowboy12@adsl-232-40-38.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:26] tlkg (n=tlkg@c-68-37-215-123.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:26] or, the u word is worth a kick here now? [21:26] s/or/oh/ [21:27] ah screw this.. [21:27] i am going to upgrade to 12.2 anyhow [21:28] and to the galium3d branch of mesa [21:28] i cant wait to play with that :P [21:28] macavity: http://pastebin.com/d2f412869 for the libs blender uses on my system [21:28] beej71: problem found and resolved [21:28] macavity: cool [21:28] beej71: bug in this particular mesa version [21:29] beej71: and only for i915 [21:29] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:29] newbieslacker (n=slackarn@host105.190-30-88.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:30] e1z0 (n=null@84.32.74.241) left irc: "Leaving" [21:31] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [21:33] whats the sed to get line 227 of a file [21:33] 227s ? [21:34] Action: spook doesnt know sed [21:34] MrJackson (i=Mr@plns-205-238-236-175-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] 227s/something.somthinelse/ [21:34] 227s/something/somthingelse/ [21:35] not doing a replace, just returning that line [21:35] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] i just know awk :-/ [21:35] Action: macavity looks if grep can handle that [21:35] good idea [21:35] awk 'NR==227' file [21:35] i think [21:36] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.130.247) joined ##slackware. [21:36] yeah that works [21:36] it doesnt [21:37] Action: spook is writing a script to for i in listofusernames, wget a webpageurl?user=$i, get the email field and stick it in a file with their name. [21:38] scholaris ? :> [21:38] custom written website, that has no export function for its mailing lists [21:39] to then put into scholaris, yes [21:39] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:40] awk 'NR==225' Edit\ User.htm | cut -d \" -f 6 [21:40] sed -n '227p' file should work too [21:40] it only needs to work once :) [21:40] cowboy123 (n=cowboy12@adsl-232-40-38.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] cowboy123 (n=cowboy12@adsl-232-40-38.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:41] cowboy123 (n=cowboy12@adsl-232-40-38.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] any quick hack to upload a screenshot to like tinypic after import ? [21:42] via cli ofc [21:42] http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw [21:42] try "/usr/bin/firefox" [21:42] Stall Rolled [21:43] when i used a wget script to download a bunch of photos and pdfs from this custom made website, i effectively denial of service attacked it, because it went done, having run out of connections to its sql server. of course my desktop has gigabit to the server running it... [21:44] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] spook: does the server store actual files in the sql server? [21:46] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@plns-205-238-236-175-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:46] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:46] *sql database [21:47] that would be terrible. [21:47] yes [21:47] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [21:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:48] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=630 [21:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] jkwood: you are pretty popular on noobfarm [21:49] (: [21:50] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:51] macavity: yes. in a cryptic way [21:51] That's because I choose my words carefully. [21:51] in mssql's version of a blob [21:52] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [21:54] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [21:55] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:55] how can i concat `echo blah` and `echo blahmore` ? 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[22:09] Hey when I boot up my penguins on the top look horrible anybody know how I can spruce them up a bit? [22:09] as I am booting [22:09] well talk to them, give them fish, care love and attention. [22:09] a penguin is not just for booting! [22:10] ya but I am embarrased for them [22:10] D [22:10] They look bad [22:10] ha!! [22:10] use a higher colour settings for the fb perhaps [22:11] in lilo.conf? [22:12] yes [22:12] ok thanks [22:12] only if your gfx card supports those modes though [22:12] one last question when I logout of x my fonts are so light I can't really see them. Has anybody encountered that? [22:13] or if I do a control alt f2 I can't barely see the fonts? [22:14] odd. would that be lilo's "vga = " setting? [22:14] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:14] I think it started after I compiled my kernel but I don't remember for sure [22:14] cowboy123: yes. [22:14] thx [22:15] I can see the fonts good as it booting but once it boots after I log in the fonts are really hard to see [22:15] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:17] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a213-22-123-145.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:17] thrice`: aren't you an Arch guy? [22:17] or Crux? [22:18] matt5 (n=river@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:19] rworkman: I have an arch machine I've been messing with, fwiw [22:19] beej71: mind a pm? [22:19] well, don't I suck with the acronyms today. "pm"? [22:19] beej71: private msg :) [22:19] post-menstral [22:20] spook: hehe [22:20] rworkman: send away [22:20] better than prementrual ;-) [22:20] premenstrual too. [22:20] huhuhuh [22:23] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [22:23] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201009114007.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:25] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-24-131-121-22.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:27] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:27] fprimex (n=fprimex@97.82.223.3) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:29] l [22:29] I just got 12.2 installed and was hoping it would fix my wireless not quite working but I was sadly disappointed, so I'm taking another stab at trying to manually install new drivers / firmware for it. [22:30] The card itself is a Dell 1390 (AKA Broadcom BCM4311 802.11g/b) card. [22:30] I don't suppose I'm fortunate enough for someone in here to have experience with that particular card? [22:31] nah, i had enough trouble w/ the rt73 chipset. have you tried this? http://www.zcentric.com/blog/2006/12/get_the_broadcom_bcm4311_to_wo_1.html [22:33] Here's someone who says they got it to work: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/getting-wireless-to-work-with-broadcom-bcm4311-rev-02-694910/ [22:34] less than a month ago [22:34] lol those two are the ones I have open [22:34] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:35] its gotta work somehow. it's a supported chipset. [22:35] yeah I know it works in Ubuntu, so its definitely 'supported' just gotta get it working. [22:36] Cryp71c: you might need to compile your own kernel. [22:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:37] latest git kernel most likely supports that chipset. it supports way more than 2.6.27.7 [22:37] thumbs, noooo :( [22:37] What ships w/ 12.2? [22:37] (kernel wise) [22:38] Cryp71c: hopefully a kernel with the module for your card. [22:38] 2.6.27-7 [22:38] Well the card is recognized via iwconfig [22:38] Cryp71c: that's great. [22:38] but when i try iwlist lan0 scan [22:38] Cryp71c: use wicd instead. [22:38] it gives me an error which, when looked up, the error indicates a firmware problem. [22:38] Cryp71c: you'll save yourself hours. [22:39] perhaps wicd will circumvent it [22:39] By the way, when I put 12.2 on I didn't see an option to install gnome, does it not ship on the dvd anymore? [22:39] or did I just miss it? [22:40] Cryp71c: not since 11.0 [22:40] oh, gotcha. [22:40] Cryp71c: is ndiswrapper out of the question? [22:40] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:41] I tried it with the version of slack prior to 12.2 and it didn't work. [22:41] But that -too- was without kernel update or extra firmware or whatnot [22:42] try ndiswrapper; might not have monitor mode, but it'll work [22:42] monitor mode? [22:42] a mode for scanning/sniffing [22:43] ndiswrapper helps load windows drivers for it [22:43] hrm so wine for drivers? [22:43] btw are drivers == firmware ? [22:44] no. [22:44] don't need wine [22:44] No i'm not saying that I need wine [22:44] just the ndiswrapper program, then download the windows drivers for the broadcom [22:45] I'm saying ndiswrapper is like wine, but instead of programs it 'translates' (or whatever) drivers. [22:45] Is that correct? [22:45] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.130.247) left ##slackware (""... Jesus paid it all, All to Him I owe; Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow.""). [22:45] sounds right, but idk the technicals of it [22:46] that's how i got an rt73-based usb wireless to work [22:47] rworkman: I used crux for awhile, yes; mainly slamd64 on my new laptop though [22:47] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:47] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:47] thrice`: okay, never mind :) I'm looking into some mods to our default hal.conf file, and there's *one* thing I'd like to see how some other non-PK'd non-PAM'd distro is doing. [22:48] I think I'll run what I have by Gentoo's hal maintainer. I've talked with him before, and I trust his opinion. [22:49] Action: lw0x15 om nom noms on home baked berad [22:49] Action: lw0x15 bread* [22:49] ah; if you want to see Crux's (very vanilla stuff by default), http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/opt.git;a=tree;f=hal;h=41b62ffef7a4c0aeda4e6bfa3902755b2cce0ed8;hb=2.5 [22:49] there is the hal.conf, and the Pkgfile (buildscript) should be very readable [22:50] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.146.169.85) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] hare hetta [22:51] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:52] thrice`: they'll soon be looking at the same edits I am :) [22:52] (once xfce4-power-manager goes into their repo) [22:52] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.147.160.61) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Maybe I should contact their hal maintainer first :) [22:52] so crux doesn't use PAM or PK either? [22:53] isnt hal going to be replaced in like a year [22:53] spook: heh [22:53] Upstream? Yes. Here? Ha. [22:53] As it stands, I can barely get one rewrite figured out before a new rewrite is started. [22:54] HAL was rewritten completely around 0.4 because the previous one was implemented badly. [22:54] PolicyKit was written because HAL's implementation of access control was done badly. [22:54] PolicyKit is now being rewritten because it was implemented badly. [22:55] :( [22:55] The rewrite requires devel version of glib2, and even with that, I can't compile it because it still requires PAM. The shadow auth that Carlos Corbacho and PiterPUNK spent lots of time getting to work hasn't been ported to the new rewrite yet. [22:55] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] If I seem a bit uninspired, find a way to live with it ;-) [22:57] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "..Reboot to see GEM in action" [22:59] iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 22 [22:59] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [23:00] so does that command redirects all the tcp traffic that goes through port 22 to 80 ? [23:00] or is that wrong what i just said [23:01] backwards [23:01] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:02] spook: !!! [23:02] I'd suggest using 443 instead of 80, as that will pass a casual "at a glance" inspection. 443 is *expected* to be encrypted, whereas 80 is not. [23:02] lw0x15: backwards, everything that trys to connect to 80, gets silently redirected to port 22 [23:02] lw0x15: you'll also need to allow traffic to port 22 in your FORWARD chain unless that chain is set to ACCEPT globally [23:03] spook: so that wont help to me to ssh from college if it blocks 22 [23:03] rworkman: ah, tricky [23:03] lw0x15: yes it will. [23:03] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:03] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:03] lw0x15: assuming they don't filter 443 outgoing [23:03] hal does seem dead these days [23:03] thrice`: 0.5.12rc1 is out, and Danny promises that a release is coming sooner or later [23:04] oh yeah! [23:04] thanks for clearing it out [23:04] That will get us through at least one more release, and seeing as how at least a few distros will be shipping it, maybe he'll consider maintenance updates. [23:04] a couple months back though, no? [23:04] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] thrice`: he just said today that he's working on a bigger bugfix for the rc1 that he needs before a release [23:06] lando (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] Sr-knoppix_debia (n=Sr-knopp@189.71.66.187) joined ##slackware. [23:12] lando (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] ah. seems like kind of a mess with how many things need it these days [23:18] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.147.160.61) left irc: "woops" [23:20] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [23:20] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.51) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.51) joined ##slackware. [23:21] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-104.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [23:21] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-104.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:24] thrice`: thanks for the hint re crux. I've mailed Lucas (@crux) and Doug (@gentoo) with my thoughts and suggested changes; we'll see what happens from here [23:25] Lots of folks don't realize it, but distro *devs* tend to get along just fine -- it's the *users* who start all the fights :) [23:25] hehe [23:25] jero (n=jero@athedsl-4539619.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:26] i am using slackpkg atm to install packages. Is there a gui based package installer for slackware? [23:27] Action: lw0x15 lol [23:27] malconxx (n=malconxx@unaffiliated/malconxx) joined ##slackware. [23:27] i havent heard of any [23:27] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [23:27] jero: i suggest checking out slackbuilds.org [23:27] using absolutelinux atm [23:27] in a vbox [23:28] the reason i bother with it, is because its much faster than the ubuntu install i have also [23:28] well i just got back from lunch. [23:28] only 4 emails [23:28] from the same person [23:28] spook: lma [23:28] lmao [23:28] one question, split into 4 emails [23:28] smart [23:28] i am not planning on becoming a sysadmin so its rather tedious to figure all stuff out [23:28] the last one appologising that she is having problems with her keyboard [23:29] i cannot even set my mouse without reading a manual [23:29] jero: no, there is no gui installer for Slackware, unless you (rightfully) count curses as a gui. [23:29] jero: and this is not a support channel for Absolute Linux. [23:29] Action: spook curses rworkman [23:29] i am suprised i did not have to read a manual to use my keyboard [23:29] absolute is based on slackware [23:29] jero: hes a tip, when you press the a key, a letter a will appear on the screen [23:29] jero: yes, and bears shit in the woods. [23:30] lol [23:30] jero: suse is based on slackware, yet we do not support that either. [23:30] spook: I like my analogy better. [23:30] who is we [23:30] :| [23:30] the slackware high council [23:30] jero: we is us. [23:30] They is them. [23:30] oh rly [23:30] Us do not support they. [23:30] u must think u r the shitz [23:30] lol [23:30] oh god.. [23:31] Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. [23:31] jero: You obviously have no idea who you're talking to. [23:31] You must have an entitlement mentality. [23:31] let me tell you something [23:31] You do that. [23:31] all your keystroke are belong to we [23:31] long ago there was a big bright star [23:31] and... actually nvm [23:31] u just suck [23:31] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:32] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "Leaving" [23:32] !fail [23:32] rworkman, a few minutes ago: Lots of folks don't realize it, but distro *devs* tend to get along just fine -- it's the *users* who start all the fights :) [23:32] rworkman: Can I have just a minute? [23:32] jero: you can go without shouting insults. [23:32] malconxx (n=malconxx@unaffiliated/malconxx) left irc: "BitchX: it won't get you laid" [23:32] cowboy123: jero is obviously not a distro dev. Was there a point in that somewhere? :) [23:33] :)) [23:33] heh [23:33] i stepped into a pool of sharks [23:33] how fast the point was blatantly made [23:33] jero: Robby is one of the guys who helps bring Slackware out so that distros like Absolute can take his hard work and retool it. [23:33] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] and that's fine that they retool it. I just choose not to support it. [23:34] what about slapt-gui ? or swaret dont they have some kind of gui ? (i know they arent popular here) [23:34] Exactly. We (upstream) don't have to support the users of downstream. [23:34] jero: and jkwood is one of the guys who helps bring Slamd64 out so that people like bluewhite64 can steal his hard work and take credit for it [23:35] If distros like Absolute or BackTrack can't support their users, then that becomes their problem. [23:35] oh i didnt come here to listen to your horror stories [23:35] ... [23:35] i had no idea what kind of room i was in. [23:35] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:35] jero: what DID you come here for? [23:35] as if i care who does what, i just wanted to test some distro [23:35] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [23:35] thanks for slamd64 - i dual-boot with it. [23:36] Heh... unless you're running 12.2, you don't have any of my handiwork. [23:36] Thanks anyway, though. =) [23:36] there is some extreme difference in fps i got using glxgears in slackware vs ubuntu 8.10 and now i need to further examine if its worth all the trouble to use slackware instead [23:36] i was very happy with ubuntu except i wouldnt mind that extra speed within vbox [23:36] ah, still i like seeing all 6gb of ram being used :) [23:36] jero: what display driver were you using in X ? [23:37] in ubuntu it was 270 fps and in slackware it was amaying 1270 fps [23:37] ... [23:37] amazing.. [23:37] thats without acceleration btw [23:37] software accel [23:37] Action: lw0x15 steals spooks dots [23:37] and within a vbox [23:37] lw0x15: noooo! not my dots! [23:37] VBox is good stuff. [23:37] Well it's an obvious answer why. You were using ubuntu to do something useful and that's out of it's scope :P [23:38] all mine now [23:38] how wll use lowercase I and queston marks now [23:38] sadly i also need to configure my keyboard soon [23:38] and show my dsdan for users [23:38] spook: get another keyboard [23:38] this pos installer didnt get it right [23:39] jero: CLI, KDE, something-else-I'm-too-lazy-to-mention? [23:39] Action: lw0x15 oh no updatedb started :( [23:40] heh [23:41] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [23:42] thats what you get for stealng my dots [23:42] i dont deserve this :( [23:42] IrquiM (n=irquim@15.80-202-42.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:42] please install the build and header files for your current linux kernel [23:42] the current kernel version is 2.6.27.7-abs [23:42] lw0x15> you do [23:43] what should i search for going by that? [23:43] jero: this is not #abolutelinux, good bye [23:43] jero: you can search by going to your distro's IRC Channel. [23:43] is there even an absolute linux channel? [23:44] give me the damn support i didnt pay for [23:44] IrquiM (n=irquim@15.80-202-42.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [23:44] jero: Look, no one is trying to be an asshole. Install Slackware or figure out how to get support for absolute. [23:44] channel/mailing list/forum [23:44] agentc0re i would not sign what you just said [23:44] tip: this is not where you get support for abolute. [23:44] basically i did install slackware [23:45] gtfo [23:45] haha [23:45] just because it uses some other gui... [23:45] basically != actually did [23:45] lol [23:45] wow [23:45] ok i forgot to tell you that i also have slackware running on my second vbox [23:45] abolute is not slackware. WE. DO. NOT. SUPPORT. ABOSULTE. IN. THIS. CHANNEL. [23:45] and i need the kernel headers for that too [23:45] jero: nice try but no. [23:46] jero: Install the K series. [23:46] if you honestly use slackware, you will know what i am talking about. [23:46] jeez when i downloaded this crap i thought its slackware [23:46] it had slackware written all over it [23:47] ... [23:47] how would i know i would face some people fighting some war over who did what and not and who stole whose socks [23:47] jero: then you need to complain to Paul Sherman. [23:47] Ya i bought gas the other day and it was at my local manure farm. I kept wondering why my car wouldn't run after i filled it up with shit. Beats me.. [23:48] you need to stop being anal about something i am not involved in [23:48] You need to stop whining. [23:48] god i love asinine analogies XD [23:49] jero: we're not involved in it either. Once you realize we don't use that pos, the better off you will be though. How the fuck do you expect a VW mechanic to work on a Ford? Same thing here. [23:49] jero: If slackpkg works the same on Absolute as on Slackware, try running slackpkg search kernel-headers [23:49] Look, this is really simple, even without analogies. You're probably not going to find anyone here willing to help you with Absolute Linux. Whining about it is not going to change that. [23:49] cowboy123: mine? [23:49] IrquiM (n=irquim@15.80-202-42.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:49] i already did that [23:49] agentc0re: si! funny as hell [23:49] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Success [23:49] cowboy123: :D [23:49] And did it give you any results? [23:50] and it gives me upgrade kernerl headers 2.6.27.7 -> kernel headers blabla [23:50] so for me this looks like i do have the headers [23:50] but then i dont get why the vbox tools still ask for them [23:50] Alright. What about kernel-source? [23:50] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.92.39) joined ##slackware. [23:51] when i do that i see only kernel source 2.6.21.5_smp [23:51] there is no 2.6.27.7 [23:51] slackware is not retarded like other distros, in that it DOES NOT split a package into the actual program, devel package and headers package [23:51] Interesting. [23:51] should i try another ftp site? [23:51] That might do it. [23:51] osuosl.org [23:52] Hey, any of you kickin around this late use Horde by chance? [23:52] if you are not using slackware, using a slackware package mirror will break your machine [23:52] from my end, that's one fast damn server [23:52] agentc0re: alliance > horde [23:52] spook - its a virtual machine, and i just want to test the speed atm [23:52] spook: .. Alliance. I've never heard of them. [23:52] Action: jkwood goes digging [23:52] with vbox guest additions on [23:52] cowboy123: personally i find spooksoftware.com/slackware much faster. [23:53] later i will install some other slackware distro [23:53] i just dont like this one [23:53] ...... [23:53] spook: thanks, i'll try it. [23:53] lmao [23:53] jero, why don't you just install slackware? [23:53] cowboy123: thats a machine on my local netwrk [23:53] failferry leaving for the island of FAIL .. peer 3 [23:53] IrquiM (n=irquim@15.80-202-42.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [23:53] failferry leaving for the island of FAIL .. peer 3 [23:53] all aboard! [23:53] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [23:54] parp [23:54] i can go with slackware sure, but.... who is going to setup all the menus in icewm for me? [23:54] spook: cool; i'm there now [23:54] spook: send me a link to alliance plz. [23:54] jero: your mum [23:54] jero: here's a novel concept. *YOU* [23:54] morning BP{k} [23:54] althoug spooks answer is better. [23:54] agentc0re: have you placed world of warcraft? [23:54] or should i spend the rest of my life trying to become a slackware wanabe admin? [23:54] dive: morning. [23:54] *DING DING* *DING DING* [23:54] i never wanted to become a sys admin sorry [23:54] this concept doesnt work [23:55] jero: you'll never get onto the slackware high council with that attitude [23:55] haha [23:55] jero: Good, go tell that to your shit distro. It's not slackware. [23:55] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:55] spook: OH NO, not that you idiot! Horde is a groupware email software package :P [23:55] lmao [23:55] jero: the concept does work. What doesn't work is your attitude. Obviously you need another distro. perhaps suse or ubuntu or fedora or pclinuxos might be more up your alley. [23:56] Now, now fellas. Just because we see a lot of Absolute users in here, doesn't mean it's a bad distro. [23:56] agentc0re: I don't think it's fair to say "shit distro" unless you have actually used it. Note that I'm not taking a position either way -- the point is that I'd prefer not to see unfounded criticism. [23:56] lol jkwood [23:56] agentc0re: i was trolling you. [23:56] spook: slamd packages! :) thx again. [23:57] yep, ubuntu is just perfect, except because i run this in a vbox and because there was such a huge speed difference , i am just curious to see how this would run with vbox additions installed [23:57] rworkman: Sorry, i apologize for the remark then. You are absolutely correct in your statement. [23:57] cowboy123: thats just a mirror of the slackware and slamd64 trees [23:57] and maybe then i will bother to actually setup a half arsed slackware if its THAT much faster [23:57] That's most interesting. I can't find a kernel-source package in the Absolute tree. [23:57] cowboy123: if the packages in extra-12.* break your computer, not my problem [23:58] spook: heh, understood [23:58] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.92.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:58] jero: that's fine, but understand that hand-holding is not a feature of this community. Whether that's a good or bad depends on your outlook, but regardless, that's how it *is* [23:58] jkwood: nevermind that.. where the hell is the source. [23:58] i strongly suggest using slackbuilds instead [23:58] spook: Damn it, you damn troll. Go back to guarding your bridges :P [23:58] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:59] Topic changed on ##slackware by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent people | http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: [23:59] bah [23:59] rworkman: little late :P [23:59] Topic changed on ##slackware by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent people | http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: xdg-utils (SSA:2009-033-01) [23:59] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [23:59] mbhayes: yeah :) [23:59] ello mbhayes [23:59] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.88) left irc: "leaving" [23:59] Sad that I didn't see it come out :D [23:59] I'm trying to figure out absolute linux... [23:59] rworkman: no kidding [00:00] --- Tue Feb 3 2009