[00:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:01] wtf now windows is selling vista on laptops "with downgrade rights preinstalled"? [00:01] why not "with sell-back rights preinstalled" for those of us who use Linux? :P [00:03] :) [00:03] http://polishlinux.org/linux/how-to-get-a-refund-for-windows-in-poland/ [00:04] Action: TwinReverb wonders: is it really worth getting a laptop with the intel centrino 2 processor, since it's more expensive? (he liked the pentium-M centrinos) [00:07] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [00:07] rworkman, 'send' has been clickified to heinz :) [00:09] compile of soundtouch: "configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in config ./config" <--- hahah, doesnt tell me much now does it, ahahah? Guess some auto-tools thingie? [00:09] Old_Fogie: thanks :) [00:09] TwinReverb, core2 is great [00:09] ofcourse :D [00:09] rworkman, i need to buy a new laptop soon :P [00:09] and centrino is not a CPU [00:09] TwinReverb: Thinkpad. [00:09] edman007, yeah but i'm wondering if centrino 2 > core 2 duo [00:09] rworkman, gotcha [00:10] Action: TwinReverb hopes there is a laptop that also has one of those built-in hardware-based crypto engines [00:10] TwinReverb, its not comparable, they can be one and the same [00:10] centrino means intel cpu with intel chipset, and if it has wifi it has intel wifi [00:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:10] i don't want one and the same: i want the speedstep technology (due to its awesome battery life and elegant concept) [00:10] so it can be a celeron core 2 or a normal core 2 and still carry the centrino name [00:10] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] i know but do they both speedstep? [00:11] TwinReverb, yes, all the core 2s will do it [00:11] centrino is not a CPU, thus the name does not affect CPU functions [00:11] well then which one is really worth having if i want to maximize battery life but also have enough power for most stuff? :( [00:11] i know centrino != cpu [00:11] you can have a centrino system with a P4 [00:12] The C2D procs are very efficient from what I hear, but I don't have one [00:12] rworkman, any specific series you think is cool? [00:12] From memory, Fred has a T61 that he said battery life is excellent [00:12] well my buddy is using a sony vaio core 2 duo with mandriva (the guy i got to shoe-horn vista and mandriva on his machine etc) [00:12] ah good thanks [00:12] if you know its not a CPU then you know you can't compare centrino to a core 2, its like apples and oranges, they are different [00:13] well what i meant though is the centrino line of processors, i.e. for example the "dothan" pentium-M [00:13] er, well, what i mean is i want a pentium-M, but anyways [00:13] its not a line of processors [00:13] oh I have to bootclap it [00:13] i like a processor with a shorter pipeline [00:13] its an OEM advertising and coupon system [00:14] but lots of L1 and L2 cache [00:14] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-186-76.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] if all major chips on a system, desktop or laptop, are made by intel then intel subsidizes the advertising budget, thats what centrino means [00:15] i know i know [00:15] so anyways, what i meant was Pentium-M [00:15] well that CPU is old and slow [00:16] watch that old and slow talk :) [00:16] its a P3 [00:16] i mean in that line of processor family [00:16] i heard that they were coming out with a dual core of it [00:16] and no, it's not a P3 [00:16] it's not a p4 either: it's totally different [00:16] i read spec sheets for fun :P [00:17] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:17] skibur (n=skibur@rrcs-24-153-168-210.sw.biz.rr.com) left ##slackware. [00:17] TwinReverb, yea, the Core Duo, i got that, its old too [00:17] i think i can cook with it too [00:17] TwinReverb, anyways, if your buying a laptop, get a Core 2 Duo [00:17] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@adsl-76-214-133-17.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:33] What is? [00:33] Motoko-chan: the netsplits [00:33] Fustercluck! [00:33] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Oh, just joined. [00:33] dangit [00:34] it wasn't just you Motoko-chan [00:34] TwinReverb, sweet, your back [00:34] Marla Sokolov is hot [00:34] are there dual core atoms? [00:34] I think all of freenode split [00:34] Dominian, it was too, everything was fine until Motoko-chan chowed up. [00:34] ok.. [00:34] showed* [00:34] LOL "fustercluck" [00:34] Action: Motoko-chan leaves [00:34] freenode had an identity crisis [00:34] TwinReverb didn't see a DAMN thing I said [00:34] i did [00:34] why doesnt slackware have a .bashrc file, and what is the equivelent? [00:34] hear about how all the 30gb zunes died [00:34] All of the questions I posed for you? [00:34] core i7 has less power draw than the core 2 line [00:34] well that's the last thing i saw [00:34] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:35] sorry, i got separated. during the split i was one of 15 people off the network :S [00:35] Why do you need lots of L2? [00:35] anyways [00:35] TwinReverb: it was more than 15hehe [00:35] What function will this machine serve? [00:35] i just like having lots of L2 [00:35] you don't NEED lots of L2 [00:35] TwinReverb, so core 2, like i said [00:35] this is a portable laptop [00:35] Motoko-chan: I agree. I know another Marla that's hot too :) [00:35] Most of the time, the low power draw chips have low L2 [00:35] core 2 is the best for a laptop anyways [00:35] There are more power efficient chips than core 2 [00:35] but aren't as fast [00:36] but i want it to be powerful enough that (for example) an entire -Os --march=whateveriamusing doesn't take longer than 24 hours [00:36] vinnie_: because you didn't create one. [00:36] (not like i will be using gentoo, but still) [00:36] the motherboard chipsets usually draw way too power [00:36] well i think lots of L2 means he wants fast [00:36] i want at least 4 hours battery time, if not more [00:36] since i am military and i tend to go places [00:36] edman007: he wants lots of L2 just for the sake of having lots of L2 [00:36] TwinReverb, thinkpad [00:36] rworkman: is that all i need to do is create it? [00:36] vinnie_: yes. see bash(1)'s section on INVOCATION [00:36] yeah thinkpad, especially for military [00:36] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:37] rworkman: thank you [00:37] straterra, i noticed that the processor runs smoother with more L2 due to better branch prediction though [00:37] abrams vs. thinkpad, i wouldnt put my money on the abrams [00:37] eh [00:37] On most machines..the processor sits idle/under used most of the time [00:37] What apps do you use that would suffer terribly from being brought in from slower system ram? [00:38] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.183) left irc: Client Quit [00:38] And I imagine branch prediction would be a result of CPU architecture, not L2 ammount [00:38] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.183) joined ##slackware. [00:39] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [00:39] straterra, true [00:39] well right now here's typical for me: [00:40] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.36.123) left irc: Connection timed out [00:40] xchat, firefox, kontact, audacious, bibletime, seamonkey composer, openoffice writer, skype, and pidgin [00:40] TwinReverb, sounds like you want the ultra-mobile thinkpads [00:40] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [00:40] however, remember i compile most this stuff for myself [00:40] and i compile kernels at every release also [00:41] so ... [00:41] SiegeX (n=SiegeX@siegex-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] come on you stupid kernel.. hurry up [00:42] I wanna go to bed [00:42] lol i don't get like that lol [00:42] oh... [00:42] [4a-52-4d] (n=Rogue@cpe-75-85-240-242.bak.res.rr.com) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?" [00:43] Dominian: A watched kernel never compiles. P [00:43] so you guys still think that i could be fine with an ultra-portable? [00:43] yes [00:43] (granted, i will not buy a laptop unless at least all but one thing is supported under linux) [00:43] so i'm probably going to need to get an all-intel (i.e. "centrino") configuration [00:43] Action: rob0 has netbook fever [00:43] XGizzmo: I'm actaully watching who's line is it anyway..while downloading band of brotherse.. and comping the kernel.. and chatting here [00:44] Dominian: Lazy bastich! ;) [00:44] hehe [00:45] TwinReverb, I have an acer aspire one, runs slack awesome (even yes - compiz fusion) and is highly useable in linux over windows due to full-screen for every app, and linux's keybinding to change workspaces, etc. I have yet to get the onboard nic working tho, r8169..but havent tried slack 12.2 yet tho. I liked it so much I bought a bunch of em' and gave em out as Christmas presents :) [00:45] Action: TwinReverb barfs on compiz [00:45] the only thing is that i would like as close to a full size keyboard as possible [00:45] Old_Fogie, where's mine? [00:45] TwinReverb, that's not the point...the fact is...it *can* get dri working splendid , so much so that it *can* do compiz [00:45] a fingerprint reader that works in linux would be nice but not required [00:45] TwinReverb, running the cube in Starbux makes the mac guys cringe :) [00:45] so would a hardware-based encryption engine, but it's not required [00:45] hahaha [00:45] Old_Fogie, hahaha [00:46] TwinReverb: alienware aurora m9700.. full keyboard ! hehe [00:46] rob0, in the mail :) [00:46] but compiz isn't for me [00:46] Dominian, lol "yay $5K laptop!!!!" [00:46] TwinReverb, I agree, but like I said..it works, so I'm a show off [00:46] TwinReverb: 1500 now [00:46] makes XP look like a booger [00:47] yeah people can talk smack about netbooks all they want, but aint nothing cooler than seeing that bad boy do flames,and wobbly windows, heh [00:47] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Connection timed out [00:47] we love it [00:48] vista is an absolute pain [00:48] i like vista [00:48] i like it more than xp [00:48] oh it's nuts to even concieve to buy a box now with vista imo [00:48] and imho compiz to me wastes resources [00:48] but anyways, thanks, i'll go check out the ultra-portable lines [00:49] its faster on modern hardware than xp [00:49] TwinReverb, I'm not pro-compiz. What I mean is, the thing is strong enuff too, which says alot in my book. Not get a netbook and run compiz..just that it can [00:50] vista is that is [00:50] vista atleast has a somewhat intelligent memory management system [00:50] will the atom processor be enough for my needs? [00:50] straterra, yea I dont doubt it, but for me I'd not buy a vista now, next windows I'll eval, but vista is a skip for me [00:50] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] windows * [00:51] TwinReverb, from what you said, hell ya, I do that and more [00:51] err, 7 [00:51] straterra, yes [00:51] straterra: you still got that ISO for 7? [00:51] win7 is..damn near the same thing as vista [00:51] SiegeX (n=SiegeX@siegex-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) left irc: "Insert generic quit message here" [00:51] not on my linode [00:51] i can get it again [00:51] straterra, no if they do what they plan too on it, I'll try it [00:51] straterra: k.. I know I said I didn' twant it, but someone at work mentioned testing it [00:51] vista is a no way no how for me [00:51] I have no real way to test it [00:52] straterra, windows 7 is suppose to be vista with the suckage minimized so people will buy it [00:52] what do you think they'll add to win7? [00:52] psh [00:52] it looks almost identicle [00:52] and runs the same [00:52] who cares about looks [00:52] uses the same ammount of space [00:53] it really is more like a vista sp2 [00:53] straterra, the problem is people don't want vista, MS is rushing to do win7 before they give up on windows [00:53] most people who hate vista havent even tried it or have zomgold hardware [00:53] Vista hasn't impressed me [00:53] edman007, if they dont in this economy there gonna have some pain yea [00:53] people just dont want to hear 'vista' [00:53] straterra, not everyone "needs" 700 watts of power to run FF :) [00:53] consumer ignorance [00:53] they should've at least given people the ability to disable all the eye candy during install [00:53] and after install [00:54] ingorance is bliss, in this case :) [00:54] heh [00:54] to me it's all about the apps, and to run a mega computer to run the same interwebs and spend a few grand it dumb [00:54] No matter which way you slice it.. Vista is a modern day Windows ME [00:54] straterra, i think the biggest issue people have with vista is its different for no reason and provides no must have features [00:54] edman007, ++ [00:54] Agreed [00:54] i use several features vista has that xp doesnt [00:54] and doubles your electrical requirements [00:54] And it takes some away [00:54] holy crap... [00:54] my laptop is freakin' hot.. [00:54] luism (n=luissmm@host240.190-226-155.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:55] like ipv6 [00:55] I've nevever felt it this hot [00:55] me, i just want a computer to do work mostly [00:55] the ipv6 stack in xp is so lacking [00:55] straterra, but the average user does not care about it, they don't need ipv6 now [00:55] 73C.. damn [00:55] If more people paid the bills at a company, like the electric, you'd really look at power like I do is all I can say. [00:55] can i install kmess in xfce? [00:55] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [00:56] luism, kmess? isn't that something that just happens when you use kde? [00:56] yes [00:56] 73C.. damn [00:56] argh [00:57] crap almost dropped my laptop on the floor [00:57] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.183) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [00:57] are there dual core atoms? [00:57] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [00:57] those turions get hot [00:57] luism, anyways, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/kmess/ and i recommend pidgin anyways, and if your not using kde its probably that much better [00:57] straterra: tell me about it [00:57] it seems there are for desktops but i don't see any for laptops so far [00:57] TwinReverb, yes [00:58] i showed you the temps on my turion x2 [00:58] straterra, one nice thing next win is supposed to be antivirus too, I think that's good in it's favor for sure. [00:58] and is there any comparable AMD that would also work well with linux? [00:58] meh, my Core Duo can beat you all! [00:58] i'm processor company agnostic [00:59] Action: edman007 warms it up [00:59] edman007 .so i cant run kmess? [00:59] ew, core duo [00:59] kill it [00:59] no 64 bit support [00:59] kill it now [00:59] i don't need 64bit [00:59] TwinReverb, geode? but i don't think they put it in laptops [00:59] straterra, but its nice [00:59] nice? [01:00] i stayed far away from the core duo for a reason [01:00] my laptop uses a core duo and it's nice [01:00] i like core 2's in a mobile config [01:00] but..the core's just seem..eehhh [01:01] i saw some Via stuff and their stuff is nice, especially ace padlock, but alas [01:01] SiegeX (i=99@c-71-198-5-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Action: straterra wonders how Via is still around [01:01] straterra, I belive? I just read they may not be for too much longer [01:02] straterra, well lets see, the room temp is 55'F right now, what do you think i can get my cpu up to? [01:03] straterra, and Via is actually doing very good against the atom right now [01:03] their overall system has better performance per watt (mainly because intel still needs to redesign the atom's chipset) [01:10] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [01:29] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] I've come to the conclusion that if straterra is around, you don't bring up intel, vista, gentoo, or gay sex. ;) [01:31] I was running gentoo on my vista machine with the intel e6600. well, the name of the machine was gaysex and... [01:31] lmao [01:31] SiegeX (i=99@c-71-198-5-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Insert generic quit message here" [01:31] You used that machine regularly? [01:32] lmao [01:32] well... [01:32] I run gentoo in a vm so no one knows i was looking gayporn [01:32] Action: rworkman just install 12.2 on the wife's Inspiron 1525, and everything works out of the box, unlike some other OS [01:32] it's complicated [01:33] rworkman: does it hibernate? [01:33] only lesbian porn though [01:35] mine hibernates, done by bios :) [01:35] Lesbian porn? [01:35] nvm [01:36] beer goo [01:36] Action: Motoko-chan likes transexual Nazi Eskimo porn [01:36] work bad [01:36] lol [01:36] wow chan [01:36] excellent work [01:36] what is your msn??? [01:36] ;) [01:36] Nick change: lns80 -> lns40 [01:36] Why do you want to know? [01:36] u have cam or pics ?????!!111 [01:36] Action: Motoko-chan has pics [01:37] heheh [01:37] None for you though [01:38] does anyone else get the "feeling" that compiles are faster on 12.2 than 12.1? [01:38] heheh [01:38] not sure [01:38] yea seems faster , I dont get it [01:38] i just installed slamd 12.1 very nice [01:38] maybe they tweaked something [01:38] same apps too, same build system [01:38] got a 10% speedup in many things [01:39] yeah I'll run "time ./build-fogie-gnome.sh" and see compared to my other [01:39] did they change kernel options? [01:39] sahko: yep; 36 seconds to fully usable again [01:39] installed slack 12.2 and slamd 12.1 on different identical hard drives in the same system [01:39] impressed with both [01:40] I have not tryed slamd [01:40] rworkman: with a stock slack install? using pm-utils? [01:40] sahko: yep. [01:40] damn. [01:40] gnome runs faster tho, maybe that's the x tweakages [01:40] it's pretty much exactely like slackware, only with 64-bit stuff, the install process is nearly identical [01:40] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@siegex-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] that I can say for sure [01:40] sahko: you have one that doesn't work right? [01:41] dont have kde or xfce built yet so well see [01:41] i have xfce and has been purring like a kitten [01:41] XFCE is the winner :) [01:41] i have differnt toolchain so I gotta rebuild xfce [01:42] rworkman: yes last i tried. but i will try again soon [01:42] in a while [01:42] well, I am pretty sure they fixed a memory leak in xfce in 12.2 that was prevent in 12.1. [01:42] mrselfpwn: indeed [01:43] sahko: yeah, try with 12.2 - it might not have worked in earlier kernels or some such [01:43] luism (n=luissmm@host240.190-226-155.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [01:43] well gtk has a known regression in x that seems to not be getting attention [01:43] anything gtk gets worse with each X [01:43] yes Old_Fogie [01:43] reference: phoronix bench marks [01:43] 2.6.28 has some improvements regarding that iirc. wireless too [01:43] I notice is in firefox a lot. [01:44] yeah they tested ubunut fedora and others, and the gtk benchmarks are *attrocious* [01:44] with each release [01:44] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:44] gtk actually works better on older video cards then on new ones [01:45] my geforce 7300 ran tons better then my 8800 [01:45] so do video drivers [01:45] I wouldnt doubt it, as new cards could be from newer x only [01:45] with new card youre force to use binary blobs. at least nvidia or ati [01:45] i run gentoo so.. i stay fairly updated [01:46] sahko, true, but I gotta tell ya, Xorg's had ati specs a while and the r300 drivers still stink in comparison to binary blobs :( [01:47] yeah [01:47] we hear "give us the specs, we can do better" ...and I'm left with ... [01:48] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "bed time" [01:48] ati users will probably be satisfied soon(ish) [01:49] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@siegex-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) left irc: "Insert generic quit message here" [01:49] we keep hearing that yup, we keep hoping that. ( and I mean that nicely this time, but I'm getting tired ya know) [01:49] as far as gtk not so good, though all my native linux games run flawlessly [01:49] on nvidia 8800 [01:50] better performance than windows [01:50] even some in wine [01:52] How was your new year Old_Fogie? [01:53] Make any resolutions? [01:53] mrselfpwn: WoW in wine runs better then in windows on my 8800 [01:53] mrselfpwn, it was bad this year :( [01:53] many sick here in the house [01:54] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@ipv6.slackbox.com) joined ##slackware. [01:54] ahh [01:54] I see [01:54] Yes, heret|c on mine too [01:54] yeah practically watched the ball drop by myself [01:54] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "sleep" [01:55] I ate a bunch of turkey and went to sleep at 10pm and didn't get up til' 2am. [01:55] so, maybe I will sleep through this entire year [01:55] i got a lil drunk and shot off some fireworks :P [01:55] Action: rworkman drank Brazilian beer right through it :) [01:55] heh, good old l'triptophane (speeling?) [01:55] lol [01:56] Xingu - as black as the console background :) [01:56] found out that full throttle blue demon mixes reaaaally well with rum [01:56] to the point where it was a 50/50 mix for me [01:56] never heard of that but sounds hella good [01:56] mrselfpwn: I was introduced to it when we went to Brasil for the SlackShow [01:56] blue demon is a blue agave flavored energy drink [01:57] yes heret|c [01:57] There's a liquor/spirits store here in town that sells all sorts of stuff, and they let you mix and match to make your own six packs [01:57] i wanna try it with some patron [01:57] oh, that is cool [01:58] where is here? [01:58] I always see people claiming that Wine runs things "faster" than native, but I'm lucky if I can get anything to run in Wine, let alone run well. [01:58] I've pretty much narrowed my list down to Xingu, Newcastle, and Warsteiner Dunkel (German black beer) [01:59] I like all of those, except haven't tried the Xingu [01:59] (I can get Shiner Bock and Heffelwiezel (speling is bad on that) at any number of other places, and those are my other two favorites) [01:59] How about Hoegarden? [01:59] Hrm, I've not seen/tried that. I'll look next time I'm there [01:59] Or Rogue IPA [01:59] yes, try hoegarden [02:00] it's like what a blue moon should taste like [02:00] I have a HoeGarden close by - University of Alabama is 15 minutes away ;-) [02:00] heheh [02:00] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] MM, I like Blue Moon okay, so yeah, I'll try hoegarden [02:00] it's 10 times better [02:00] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:00] I'm sad bama lost to florida [02:01] yeah, bah. [02:01] Florida outplayed us for sure. Probably have a better team, tbh. Such is how it goes. [02:01] well, it was a few minor mistakes that lost it for us. [02:01] Both teams did very well [02:01] Yep [02:01] You're in bama? [02:02] SC [02:02] ahhh [02:02] You planning to attend SELF in June? [02:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:02] not sure what that is [02:02] Southeast Linux Fest - 1st year [02:02] ah [02:02] Where?! [02:02] http://wiki.southeastlinuxfest.org/ [02:03] I'll be presenting :) [02:03] libmtp forcing me to use cvs on rhythmbox :( [02:03] That is freaking awesome! [02:03] It's in SC [02:03] :) [02:04] Action: Old_Fogie tries to picture rworkman bull riding and it's not pretty! :) [02:04] Man, I will be there. [02:04] No, it wasn't. [02:04] Please keep me reminded. [02:04] mrselfpwn: cool. [02:04] when you think of it [02:04] I'll be blogging it at some point; put http://blog.rlworkman.net in your feed list [02:04] ok [02:04] Thank you. [02:05] Why did they pick SC? [02:05] I don't know, tbh. I think several of hte organizers are there. [02:05] Oh sweet. [02:05] theydont know where it's gonna be yet? [02:05] the SELF? [02:06] I hope it is here. [02:06] Old_Fogie: they've got several potential locations; I'm not sure if they've picked one for sure or not, but I think it will surely be in SC. [02:06] in june? man that's HOT there [02:06] I got thick blood ya know [02:06] I'm soo stoked about that now that I know. [02:06] Some sort of multipurpose facility was first on the list last I heard. [02:07] good golfing down there tho [02:07] Old_Fogie: don't be a sissy [02:07] :) [02:07] lol, awe comon man. I live here and i'm a young buck. [02:07] do any of you guys know if it's possible to create folders in the xfce-menu under the different categories? [02:07] I got a ton of family there too, but summer time...oh man [02:07] v3gard: no [02:07] Old_Fogie: it's not truly hot yet in June. Be glad it's not August. [02:07] rworkman: okey, thanks [02:07] it is, isn't it rworkman [02:07] we got cheap flights there too, under 100 bux! no less round trip [02:08] jetblue [02:08] Sweet. [02:08] I haven't decided if I'm going to fly or drive. [02:08] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [02:08] v3gard, i think it is possible [02:08] I may have to drive, so I have a car, so I have a/c :) [02:08] drive right into the lobby at the hotel, ahah [02:08] Several others in Bham LUG and Tuxaloosa have mentioned carpooling, maybe renting a van [02:09] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:09] presenters should get limo's I say [02:09] If i'm not mistaken it requires you to edit some files directly [02:09] and a trailer out back , with a waterbed :) [02:09] especiall slack presenters [02:09] mrselfpwn: it would require a completely custom menu. [02:09] I see [02:09] Sounds like a motorcycle trip to me. [02:09] rob0: :) [02:09] So it would be difficult, although posible. [02:10] Possible* [02:10] mrselfpwn: just creating the folder under /usr/share/applications doesn't work, so then I would have to create a .desktop file and make xfce understand that this file is a folder somehow? [02:10] yes v3gard [02:10] vladimir (n=vlad@125.160.108.53) joined ##slackware. [02:10] there are I believe 3 files that have to be edited [02:10] v3gard: ohh, I'm not sure xfdesktop in 4.4.x supports that. It does in 4.6 (not released yet) for sure [02:10] I don't know for sure though, so don't "not attempt" it on my account [02:11] Put it this way v3gard; I started to attempt it then gave up due to confusion/frustration. [02:11] I have heard success storied though. [02:12] Rworkman, do you happen to know if they may hold it near the Charleston area? [02:12] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:12] mrselfpwn: I don't know. #southeastlinuxfest is the channel :) [02:12] ok [02:13] If you have any input, I would suggest Charleston over Columbia. [02:13] It's much nicer. [02:13] Though, I guess if they are from here they would know that. ;) [02:14] hehe [02:14] You have me excited now. :D [02:15] Let's just have it at my house. Hahaha [02:19] giuppy (n=giuppy@host90-193-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:20] i don't see any dual-core atoms :( [02:20] . i just found the most beautiful and haunting cover of a tool song ever [02:20] http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=jOIxHzIF2U8 o.O [02:20] why can't you just give the name of the song for those of us using P2P? :P [02:20] (j/k) [02:21] awesome heret|c [02:21] i wish i could find an mp3 of it [02:21] MacGuyver (n=macguyve@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [02:21] she sings that quite well. [02:21] yes [02:21] I can get it. [02:21] vladimir (n=vlad@125.160.108.53) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:22] rip the stream then strip the audio out? [02:22] yes [02:22] something like that [02:23] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@ipv6.slackbox.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:24] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@siegex-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@siegex-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:26] wow that is a really good rendition [02:26] told ya [02:27] i wanna find that girl and have her sing it for me in person XD [02:27] DNK_Brasil (n=dnk@189-19-112-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:28] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.222.74.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] new gimp http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS-2.6 [02:34] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [02:34] Old_Fogie, old news [02:35] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Connection timed out [02:35] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Client Quit [02:36] oh yea , huh...well not to me it wasnt heh [02:37] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@ipv6.slackbox.com) joined ##slackware. [02:37] me either [02:37] woh, MS may be laying of 15000 people? [02:38] wow, even the tech jobs are doing bad huh? [02:39] or just MS is another victim of the fact that people are refusing to pay for things they don't need. [02:39] i'm still good though, i'm probably going to end up at a defense contractor when i graduate...they are hiring [02:39] rworkman, nah, MS forgot who pays the bills when designing vista [02:40] hope this works, the MS link : http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10130165-75.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 [02:40] Do tell [02:40] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) joined ##slackware. [02:40] they mistakenly thought it was the riaa/mpaa [02:40] Vista is an abortion. [02:40] heret|c [02:42] Microsoft has even admitted that Vista was released to help work out the bugs for the upcoming 2008 Windows. [02:42] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:42] In less words. [02:43] ping heret|c [02:43] what, huh, what'd i miss [02:44] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:45] hahah "However, it remains the basis for countless other distributions, including SLAX, NimbleX, and VectorLinux. Most of these distributions try to add some user-friendliness to Slackware without losing its stability and speed." http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6628/2/ [02:46] oh, precursor to that "Slackware is impressive to see in operation, yet it will never be a popular distribution." [02:46] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:47] Old_Fogie, ? [02:47] oh [02:48] yes, it wouldnt be a day in the news without someone blogging bad about Slack [02:49] ktabic (n=ktabic@81.133.234.131) joined ##slackware. [02:50] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:53] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [02:53] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:54] Old_Fogie, nothing bad with that, i wouldn't want a distro like ubuntu (just imagine hanging out in ##ubuntu instead of ##slackware) [02:55] bah [02:55] edman007, is it 'necessary' tho to say ""Slackware is impressive to see in operation, yet it will never be a popular distribution" ? That's my point. Why even 'go there'. [02:55] anyways, like some other article said, slackware sticks to its core ideals, no patch happy crap [02:56] Old_Fogie, n00bs [02:56] Slackware is the best I have found out there. [02:56] Why not simply "old distro, forked a numerous amount of times, even by suse, advanced users love it, noobs will learn but takes work, run awesome" and leave it at that ya know, heh [02:56] I tried Ubuntu 1 time [02:57] that is all it took. Just one boot of the live cd and I tossed it. [02:58] MacGuyver (n=macguyve@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "Java user signed off" [02:58] mrselfpwn, I've yet to find a box happy with it. mepis (to me at least) is waht ubunut should've been, but I don't like Warren's negative GPL tactics; so I dont use Mepis. [02:58] ah [02:58] i ran ubuntu studio for a few weeks, playing with the audio recording and editing software [02:58] haven't given mepis a shot [02:58] then relized an entire distro based around a realtime kernel was over rated [02:58] yes [02:59] it's very good, but again, Warren is his own man so ...oh well. [02:59] What I found that I liked more than anything with slackware, is that less is better. [02:59] much better results (although still minimal improvement) by running gentoo with the correct make.conf settings [02:59] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [03:00] I mean, I don't need 3 different cd burning software suites. [03:00] I'm a free software glutton that way really. I mean, your example of 3 cd's apps right..they all do some things (gnome backer, brasero, k3b) that others dont so for me I like using all 3 [03:01] It's nice to have certain stuff that they come with by default though much more efficient to install what you need as the time comes. [03:01] i've got rhythmbox, ardour, firefox, brasero and xfce installed.. that's just about it as far as anything straying for the "must have" cli stuff [03:01] Well, Old_Fogie, if they all offer something different. [03:01] kind of like in windows, I had multiple apps for same things, as some apps had one feature that was missing in another. never really found true heaven on most of my pc use for one app per mission [03:01] now i just gotta figure out why xfce is seeing my g11 keyboard's G keys but isn't passing it through to X [03:02] mrselfpwn, see what I think is great about slack is, that if I want brasero, gnome-backer and k3b, I can compiile it and run it :) [03:02] Right [03:02] everything builds :) [03:02] exactly [03:02] that is number 1 [03:02] and they're *my* predefined libs, and my --enable-debug or not :) [03:02] right [03:02] It's what you want, when you want it, now. [03:03] same reason i like gentoo. when i run slack, to look at it you wouldn't know the difference anyways [03:03] My new slack motto. [03:03] See I like the concept of gentoo, but I dont hafe a pc "fast enough" to make linux "fast enough" as their "brochure" claims is the bestest for *all* pc's. [03:03] lol [03:03] Yes, i used Gentoo even started on it. [03:03] As I said before though it was a constant struggle. [03:04] my amd64 3500 is fast enough to make me happy [03:04] Like, i would emerge a package and then my kernel would have a panic on next boot. [03:04] I find gentoo people amazing. They strive to minimize libs..yet they run supercomputers anyhow. I mean you got dual-procs and 800 gig of ram...what the heck does it matter to compile a 2k sourceball for a lib...and man they'll spend 3 weeks trying to build around a 2k sourceball, lol :) [03:05] lol [03:05] i don't do all that :P [03:05] I got p3-500 here, put those supercomputers to work,help a brother out over hree [03:05] s/hree/here [03:05] i set my useflags. tell it to emerge, and go to work [03:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [03:05] indeed [03:05] heret|c, yea but I *really* doubt you'd use gentoo on p3/500 :) [03:05] but i'm running gentoo on my junker computer also (the one running irssi in screen right now) [03:06] I honestly like gentoo [03:06] which in theory gentoo is ideal for, practicality wise...err..fail :) [03:06] It's probably my second favorite out of what I have used. [03:06] If you compile from the ground up. [03:06] gentoo writes good docs, good wikis, and good patches (as they're bleeding edge) [03:07] Right [03:07] ./exec -o grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo [03:07] cpu MHz : 665.016 [03:07] you were saying? [03:07] heret|c, got gnome on there? [03:07] kde? [03:07] no [03:07] right :) [03:07] kde and gnome suck anyways [03:07] over 1000 apps here :) [03:07] IDK, does gentoo even have different stage installs still? [03:07] xfce all the way :P [03:07] packages [03:07] s/apps/packagees [03:08] actually i don't know that i got that. it's just a tower sitting in the corner at this point, no keyboard, mouse, or monitor hooked to it at all [03:08] get a real WM: xmonad [03:08] mrselfpwn, the installer doesnt support build from scratch [03:08] only a power cord, and a cat 5 :) [03:08] heret|c, ever run gentoo on the system-rescue-cd ? it's fantastic [03:08] When i installed gentoo, they had the stage 1,2,3 etc [03:09] stage 1 and 2 aren't s upported anymore [03:09] mrselfpwn, yea that's the same, but 3 is the only way to insall (off the live cd insaller anyhow) [03:09] yes [03:09] what is ntos_wq and why is it taking up so much cpu time? [03:09] I went with stage 2 [03:09] Old_Fogie: no, i've only used a stage 3 disk [03:10] heret|c, ah ok. [03:10] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] yeah stage two took over a week for not even a Slack base system here on a p3 900 :( [03:10] since I have about 4 of them, well you see my point heh [03:10] i was in xfce after about 8 hours this last time i installed gentoo from scratch [03:10] heh [03:10] so, it's really not that bad for me [03:11] i download my own kernel source though. i won't use what they have in the emerge repo's [03:11] I like gentoo, maybe it's just me, though I feel more in control of my stuff with slackware. [03:12] Not to be taken out of context. [03:12] and i keep my kernel .conf's and back it up every time i make a change. got quite a nice one built for my main desktop now [03:12] only 3 modules listed with lsmod :P [03:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] i build it into the kernel unless i need to specify an option to the module on load [03:13] mrselfpwn, same here. plus for me "compiling" on one box shows the *exact* same great "run-time" as the dev-box :) [03:13] heret|c, yea that's a tiny kernel there [03:13] Looking at your link Old_Fogie, I haven't tried a Mandriva distro. [03:14] mrselfpwn, I've never had luck with mandriva really, I tried pclinux (a fork of it) that wasnt half bad when it first came out..but months later..pclinux couldnt figure out how to update itself like 6 months after the release on a fresh install [03:15] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.0M Nov 7 15:25 vmlinuz-2.6.27.4 .. lol tiny [03:15] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.1M 2008-12-31 20:50 /boot/2.6.28-RAS [03:15] 3.6M vmlinuz-2.6.28 [03:16] o.O [03:16] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.2M 2008-12-25 23:09 /boot/linux-2.6.28 [03:16] ok i don't feel so bad about mine [03:16] ahah! mines bigger than yours [03:16] :D [03:16] lol. owned by edman007 [03:16] 5.2? how the [03:16] ... [03:16] 64-bit helps pump up the size a lot [03:16] yea but it's twice the errors of a 32 bit kernel :) [03:16] and my server board has a lot of hardware, and i don't use any modules [03:17] ah ok that makes sense [03:17] but the 64-bit part probably has the biggest effect [03:19] edman007, is boot time any noticeabley faster/slower 32v64 on the same box? [03:20] Old_Fogie, mine is very long, but i think its entirely due to the massive amount of hardware in this system [03:20] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [03:21] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.2M 2008-12-22 20:50 /boot/vmlinuz [03:21] 8 CPUs, raid, watchdog, nic, ecc stuff, firewire, etc [03:21] yeah that's alot [03:21] pvr-150 too [03:22] and ath5k [03:22] and video card [03:22] (all of those have in-kernel open source drivers) [03:22] Action: heret|c boots up without any boot time optimizations in under 30 seconds [03:23] yeah I'm about 40 or so [03:23] i'm under 30 [03:23] heret|c, i can't post in 30 seconds, and thats with the ram checks off completely [03:23] woh! [03:23] i was counting from the time i hit enter in grub [03:23] how longs it take [03:23] takes me 10 seconds from power button to usb to power up [03:24] edman007: you have "compact" in your lilo.conf? [03:24] rworkman, no [03:24] yes, i counted from hitting enter in lilo [03:24] edman007: try it :) [03:24] what does it do? [03:24] Your kernel load time should decrease dramatically [03:25] See lilo.conf(5)'s 'compact' directive [03:25] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:25] kernel load time in lilo is very fast as is...at least compared to the rest of the kernel boot [03:25] I wonder if grub does the work of 'compact' automatically, cuz I put nothing in my grub and it appears to be close/same as lilo-with-compact [03:26] tommcd (n=tom@c-68-63-85-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:26] things like the raid, wifi, pvr-150, watchdog, and 8 cpus take up most of the pre-userspace boot [03:26] edman007: well, if POST is your slowdown, nothing you can do about that afaik [03:26] and yeah, raid init is slow [03:26] rworkman, i really don't care about my boot though, it just stays on and i'm good [03:27] i probably won't reboot when i upgrade to 12.2 [03:27] :) [03:27] Action: edman007 slaps fred [03:27] fred needs to finish his vacation [03:27] fahad (n=box@89.144.90.164) joined ##slackware. [03:27] hehe [03:27] rworkman, and did you try that pinentry patch? [03:28] edman007, well according to noobfarm, he's house-sitting..so I'd think he'd be done soon no? [03:28] fahad (n=box@89.144.90.164) left irc: "Leaving" [03:28] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] fahad (n=box@89.144.90.164) joined ##slackware. [03:28] forgot the :) there at end heh. [03:29] fahad (n=box@89.144.90.164) left irc: Client Quit [03:29] edman007: I haven't yet. No time :/ [03:29] ehh, well from what i thought he would start working again sometime after new years...well that time is now! [03:29] I've got a backlog of about ten things on the immediate TODO list :/ [03:29] anyone tell me why when im in X I cant do a ctrl+alt+f1 to switch to a terminal ? [03:30] fahad (n=box@89.144.90.164) joined ##slackware. [03:30] foureyes779, cuz your not in a debian system [03:30] or at least where I should start looking ? [03:30] heh [03:30] Action: edman007 has had waaayy too much caffeine... [03:30] try ctrl-alt-f6 [03:30] use f7 to get back [03:30] Old_Fogie: yer right !!! tnx [03:30] slack doesnt have vt's on all in run level 4 [03:30] ;7~ [03:30] nope [03:31] foureyes779, edit /etc/inittab to make the others work in runlevel 4 [03:31] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:31] i always do that :P [03:31] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] screen here [03:31] im in runlevel 3 [03:31] edman007: tnx [03:32] im starting X from a CLI [03:32] yea but you started x on 1 no? [03:32] i dont like having it go to runlevel 4 automatically. had too many prob's in the past [03:32] so 2thru6 should work [03:32] rworkman, oh, and the manpage says compact just merges read requests, well i have a real raid card, and i know from disk benches, that merging requests like that has very little effect on my system, the hardware does it anyways :D [03:32] I was watching a youtube video response by a guy who was trying to prove that windows was faster at booting. He was using windows and Ubuntu or some such, where he showed Ubuntu being slower, even though he took the time to log into ubuntu and went strait away into Windows without login. He sent me a disgruntled message because I commented on that fact, so I sent him one back telling him that my system boots in under 30 seconds with my [03:33] edman007: good point [03:33] Old_Fogie: that's just it, it ISN'T for some reason [03:33] forgive the wall of text [03:33] foureyes779, inittab still controls it ;) [03:34] edman, will start there then. [03:34] mrselfpwn, thats not a wall....i've done much more then that :D [03:34] foureyes779, and this is output "N 4" when you run the 'runlevel' command as root? [03:34] I was all over /etc/rc.d looking for something that controlled that [03:34] hahha [03:34] Old_Fogie: N3 [03:34] N 3 [03:35] mrselfpwn, yea they'll try their fud, never works [03:35] yes [03:35] foureyes779, huh, odd [03:35] foureyes779, a "full" everything install? [03:35] i like the one from the guys that put linux in their BIOS, they got from power button to X in under 3 seconds [03:35] I thought that it might be because I'm running Ratpoison, but it doesnt matter if im in XFCE or KDE [03:36] Old_Fogie: upgrade. I'm sure I have something b00gered up. [03:36] foureyes779, is your keyboard detected properly, have you confirmed the "F" keys work, try midnight commander in a linux terminal outside of X , and try it in a terminal in X is all I can think of [03:36] I have been looking for the solution for several days now, the /etc/inittab sounds promising [03:37] in MC, I can bring up the menu's with the function keys [03:37] how do you type special character in Slackware, I used SCIM in Ubuntu, but it installed additional packages, I'm not familiar with this stuff in Slack [03:37] well I never had to mess with inittab at all for the 'linux terminal' at run level 3 to get vt's 2thru6 working fwiw [03:37] have not tried it in CLI tho [03:37] IntangibleLiquid, scim's installed with slack [03:38] when I hit the CTRL+ALT+FN it givesd me a 7P for F1 [03:38] P [03:38] i believe it's metioned in the readme and such IntangibleLiquid [03:38] Q [03:38] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.141.232) joined ##slackware. [03:38] DNK_Brasil (n=dnk@189-19-112-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [03:38] ;7~ from ctrl+alt+F5 [03:38] keymapping issue ? [03:38] mrselfpwn, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuzRsXKm_NQ [03:38] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:39] guess its a bit under 8 seconds that they got for the whole thing... [03:39] this is ctrl/atl/f6 in xev foureyes779 : state 0x1c, keycode 72 (keysym 0x1008fe06, XF86_Switch_VT_6), same_screen YES [03:39] ok, going to dig in a bit further, thanks for the tips [03:39] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.141.232) left irc: Client Quit [03:40] yup [03:40] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [03:40] dios_here (i=test@88.241.141.232) joined ##slackware. [03:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-186-76.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:41] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja5.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:43] tommcd (n=tom@c-68-63-85-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:44] fahad (n=box@89.144.90.164) left irc: "Leaving" [03:46] wow, edman007, i'll have to upload that in response. [03:46] that is sweet [03:46] though, he probably doesn't know what a bios is [03:47] yea, well that thing can get to X faster then most computers can post [03:47] because it does not post at all [03:47] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:47] wouldn't that be nice [03:47] haha, nice [03:47] no need to stick to the slow and old BIOS spec when you know you have a modern OS that can handle it [03:48] and it loads the OS off flash on the motherboad, so no drivers or hardware needs to get loaded to get the disk up [03:49] 3 seconds tho, man I wish I could get it up in 3 seconds here [03:49] it? [03:49] he probably couldn't tell his ass from a hole in the wall much less xrvt from standard terminal [03:50] s/xrvt/rxvt [03:52] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:52] what would cause a libc6 error when you click on 'backtrace' tab in kde for an error in kedit? kedit's compiled with no debug info. any thoughts? [03:53] hmm [03:53] I tried opening a gz file from ubunut for its patches, and then opened a file inside the gz with ark/kedit [03:53] just died on me no reason. [03:54] rebooted, and extracted the file, opens in kedit fine [03:54] 1 sec [03:54] i had a similiar problem [03:54] Old_Fogie, probably not a libc error, but just about everything ends up crashing in libc [03:55] like passing a null pointer to free() can do it [03:55] ah ok, [03:55] i found a nice place to go out to [03:55] well with my issue [03:55] i updated a lib file [03:55] so unless something is ~/.xsession-errors file, then I'm s.o.l ? edman007 ? [03:55] (not having the name off hand) [03:56] man kde spams the heck out of .xsession-errors file, what the... [03:56] i had to ln -s the new version to look like the old version [03:56] Old_Fogie, if its reproducible get debugging stuff up and get a real backtrace [03:56] don't know if that helps [03:56] mrselfpwn, thats usually a bad idea [03:56] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:56] edman007, ok [03:57] LAT: 35.907436° LON: -116.364233° [03:57] edman007, only problem with that is, too get debug on kde means rebuild kde ...ugh :( [03:57] but yea gotta do what you gotta do [03:57] Old_Fogie, not that bad... [03:57] well how much space does debug take? [03:57] edman007, with koffice, kde here is a full day [03:58] it wasn't an old version edman007 just a new name [03:58] Old_Fogie, a lot...a couple times what it would normally take [03:58] i've been toying with --enable-debug for all my builds lately. pidgin with debug on is just plain 'scarey' fwiw [03:58] though the program still looked for a particular name [03:58] Old_Fogie, if your using a slackbuild don't forget to turn off stripping [03:59] it didn't care about the version [03:59] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiz157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:59] edman007, oh you can't strip --enable-debug builds? [04:01] if you strip it then the debug won't be so great [04:01] huh, nope, never knew that [04:02] try this --only-keep-debug [04:02] with strip [04:02] what if an app you build, makes the debug on it's own..you don't catch it,,and your buildscript then calls strip? does that bork the binaries or libs at all? that's possible. I've noticed some apps dont honor --enable-debug but want --enable-debug=no \ [04:03] switch the first --enable-debug to --disable-debug [04:03] nullboy, what is the point of that? 80% of the stuff in there is debug info... [04:04] edman007: ....don't ask me, it's in the man page. No need to kill the messenger.... [04:04] Old_Fogie, just do --enable-debug, put '-g -O0' in the cflags, and turn off stripping, thats how you should debug [04:04] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [04:04] edman007, I had libImlib2.so.1 ln -s to libImlib2.so.1.40 may have been a different file though. [04:05] it's not like i wrote the strip man page, why don't you ask the author of strip why [04:05] ok thanks edman007 [04:06] mrselfpwn, ahh, install script must be a bit wonky...but, thats ok like that, you normally want the longest name (the one with the most number) to be the actual file, and then make a symlink for each one, dropping the last set of numbers [04:06] right, ok [04:06] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [04:06] thus you have libImlib2.so pointing to libImlib2.so.1 pointing to libImlib2.so.1.40 [04:07] yes, it was the install script [04:07] gotcha [04:09] Old_Fogie, and then once you have the debugging stuff up you can do `thread apply all bt full` to get a super detailed backtrace (it references all pointers in the backtrace and shows any relevant code)...so don't delete the build trees either [04:09] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:09] s/references/dereferences/ [04:16] last3d1 (n=Miranda@dynamic-62-87-243-247.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[04:50] mooglenorph (n=marco@ip68-14-158-243.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:52] Hello. I'm trying to run a wesnoth server on my slack 12.1 box, and when I use the default port of 15000, I get: Caught network error while server was running. Aborting.: Could not bind to port [04:52] netstat -tpln | grep 15000 [04:53] Oh, fun times. There seems to be a hung instance of it there already [04:53] Thanks. Why wouldn't nmap have shown that? [04:53] if its hung it probably wouldn't have responded [04:54] wesnoth :) [04:55] wesnoth is great [04:55] easily the best open source game I've played [04:55] the list of credits/contributors is incredible [04:55] and better than the vast majority of closed source games too [04:55] yeah [04:56] you gonna play a game right now ? [05:00] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [05:00] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:01] Slackware works so fast : ) [05:01] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [05:01] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:02] pip: Esp. on a generic kernel :_) [05:02] :) [05:03] No, I'm going to sleep right now [05:03] I just finished building the latest version (there's no binary for 1.4.7 for slack) [05:03] Zordrak, that's it [05:03] mooglenorph, Okay take care [05:04] night all :-) [05:04] mooglenorph (n=marco@ip68-14-158-243.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:04] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.244.114) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Action: Camarade_Tux waves [05:08] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Karu (n=alch@78-28-76-233.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [05:14] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.36.123) left irc: "Leaving" [05:15] Action: edman007 waves back [05:18] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [05:19] Why doesn't cpufreq_ondemand work when acpi-freq module has been loaded ? [05:21] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [05:22] pip, i got the same question :( [05:22] :S [05:22] pip, what CPU? [05:22] edman007, you know, I have to set userspace governor force [05:22] Pentium-M [05:23] Laptop here [05:23] Anyway suggest a nice bittorrent client ? [05:23] pip, wait, what exactly is your problem with cpufreq? that you can't put it into ondemand mode? [05:23] slim and high efficient [05:23] pip, i'm using btpd right now [05:24] not too many featurers, but works [05:24] edman007, I can, but it just doesn't work in a ondemand way [05:24] hmm...did you load the ondemand module? [05:24] Is it a daemon ? [05:24] Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:24] its a module, and then you echo something into ALL cpus, and it will go [05:25] edman007, I think so [05:25] pip, does it show in lsmod? [05:25] [pip@Thinkpip ~]$ lsmod | grep ondemand [05:25] cpufreq_ondemand 10636 0 [05:26] hmm...should work then [05:26] edman007, Another question, cpufreq-set only get the latest governor set to work right ? [05:26] edman007, It seems working now : ) [05:27] pip, so what does `ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq` show (i'm not sure if that last part is right...check it) [05:27] pip: Although there was some to-ing and fro-ing before the reboot.. I gave my parents a PIII running Slackware for Christmas. 512MB PC133 RAM. On hugesmp it was 450/500MB used.. after reboot into generic with compiled-in Ext3, down to 50MB used! [05:27] pip, normally you just echo "ondemand" into the right spot (inside /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/) and it turns it on [05:28] Zordrak, :O amazing [05:28] edman007, It's working I think : ) [05:28] now my problem is i have acpi-freq and ondemand built into my kernel, but i have no cpufreq support in the cpu folder (and i know that the system supports something) [05:28] If I have got userspace governor set with cpufreq-set , how to unload it ? [05:28] pip: now been running 4 days.. and uisage is only 84MB [05:29] and that includes full LAMP setup [05:29] Zordrak, what DE or WM ? [05:29] and also an internal DNS and DHCP server [05:29] haha, your parents need LAMP :D ? [05:29] Yeah? [05:29] No WM [05:29] Zordrak, it should go up and fill everything (if you include buffers/cache) [05:30] edman007: not including buffers/cache here [05:30] just simple figure from htop [05:30] Here with Xfce4, the RAM taken is more than 300MB [05:30] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:30] But I have enough of it [05:30] or is it :/ [05:30] Zordrak, those numbers do include it [05:30] hold on [05:30] check `free -m` [05:30] such tiny numbers... [05:30] If logout into console mode, it's only 80M I think [05:31] So xfce eats a lot of memory [05:31] total used free shared buffers cached [05:31] Mem: 7975 7742 232 0 822 3666 [05:31] -/+ buffers/cache: 3253 4722 [05:31] How much ram do you have ? [05:31] +/- buffers/cache 427908 free [05:31] 8gb [05:31] No wonder [05:31] So you got more than 3G RAM used ? [05:31] pip: If I ever use a WM i use fluxbox.. [05:32] pip: but their new server doesnt need one [05:32] it's headless and keyboardless [05:32] Okay, fluxbox should be very fast and light in RAM [05:32] Although it's being used for LAMP/DNS/DHCP the primary purpose wil be to run Amanda [05:33] WHEN I manage to work Amanda out in my head [05:33] pip, yea [05:33] 'cos it's insanely complex [05:33] edman007, Is there any kernel module that maps userspace governor of cpufreq ? [05:33] i'm using flux [05:33] pip, what do you mean? [05:33] pip, twinreverb would be the person to ask [05:33] Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) joined ##slackware. [05:33] there is one userspace governor that gives control to cpufreq in userspace, the rest are done in kernel [05:34] he has a script and all [05:34] I want to unload the kernel module that is corresponds to userspace governor [05:34] *corresponded [05:36] I have figured it out [05:37] cpufreq-set works in a stack way which means Last In First Out [05:38] pip, yes. what processor do you have? [05:38] Pentium-M [05:38] ah [05:38] i think it's cpufreq_userspace [05:38] but you must switch governors or else you can't just unplug that module [05:38] I don't understand why all the speedstep modules don't fit my computer all [05:39] i'd recommend "modprobe cpufreq_conservative" first, then .... [05:39] ping heret|c [05:39] pip, uh, let me think. can you please "lspci | grep ICH | sort | uniq" ? [05:39] wait [05:39] don't post more than 3 lines [05:39] TwinReverb, I didn't have cpufreq_userspace or cpufreq_conservative modules loaded, but I still can use cpufrq-set to force the frequency ,why ? [05:40] Action: TwinReverb thinks for a second [05:40] TwinReverb, Sure [05:40] twin [05:40] well first, it's because normally one of those is part of the kernel [05:40] usually userspace is, and also performance, but i'm not sure [05:40] did you ever get the multiple core figured out? [05:40] hence why you can tell it what frequency to set it to [05:40] mrselfpwn, yeah, just not to my satisfaction. i'll be back later [05:41] ok [05:41] pip, so try "modprobe cpufeq_conservative" [05:41] no rush [05:41] then "echo conservative > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" [05:42] you can check out http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/rc.cpufreq for more fun with cpufreq [05:42] right [05:42] Twin has that shiznit down pat [05:42] for all the sublevel preverbs that want the scope on things [05:43] i suggest his site [05:43] if you really want something to be the default, you can have it loaded at boot (by adding a command to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules to load cpufreq_conservative) and then use rc.cpufreq to set it at boot (assuming you make it executable and set it up in rc.local to run at boot) [05:43] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.222.74.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:43] oh i found something interesting today guys [05:43] TwinReverb, Okay, now after conservative module has been loaded, I got a new governor named conservative available [05:43] TwinReverb, http://pastebin.ca/1298198 [05:43] pip, yes it should be available once it's loaded, then you just switch to it [05:44] TwinReverb, Okay, I have done switched [05:44] i prefer the manual way because it doesn't require running the klaptopdaemon [05:44] *switching [05:44] Action: mrselfpwn twitching [05:44] conservative changes frequencies slower, but still it will increase the speed as needed [05:44] TwinReverb, How to check what daemons are running ? [05:44] it's not a daemon [05:44] it's part of the kenrel [05:44] er kernel [05:45] I see [05:45] ah good old ICH6 [05:45] It's for my sound [05:45] um i don't know, but i think that one is acpi_cpufreq module (check lsmod for me) [05:45] oh for your sound? [05:45] the only two are esound and artsd so i would check to see if one of those is loaded [05:46] I guess the sound hardware is built into the ICH6 chip [05:46] if you have problems with kde sound, go to kde control center, sound & multimedia, sound system, hardware, put a check in "override device location" and tell it to use plug:dmix [05:47] No, there is no problem with sound at all [05:47] if you want to check to see if your sound card exists, "cat /proc/asound/cards" [05:47] i don't get it then: what is for your sound? are you having issues? [05:47] [pip@Thinkpip rc.d]$ cat /proc/asound/cards [05:47] 0 [ICH6 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6 [05:47] Intel ICH6 with AD1981B at irq 22 [05:47] ah there you go :) [05:47] I was talking about the speedstep problem [05:48] oh [05:48] there's no daemon: it's inside the kernel [05:49] but if you want to see which scaling governor is loaded, i think you want to "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" [05:49] Okay, all the speedstep related codes is built into the kernel ,so I don't have to load any extra module right ? [05:49] deaddebate (n=Mitch@ip70-188-254-14.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] you read the file ("cat") to see which one is being used, and you set it ("echo whatever > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor") by writing to it [05:49] deaddebate (n=Mitch@ip70-188-254-14.pn.at.cox.net) left ##slackware. [05:49] you shouldn't need to load any other modules [05:49] TwinReverb, The working governor is conservative [05:50] just the hardware (in my case, acpi-cpufreq) and the governor (cpufreq-conservative) [05:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [05:50] if your CPU is still running hard, you have something eating up cpu power is why it's running hard [05:50] at that point, run "top" and look at what's eating it [05:50] i've had strange things happen before [05:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:51] I see, thanks very much [05:51] no problem [05:51] are you good now? [05:51] It's running well [05:51] kewl [05:51] if you want it to react faster than the conservative governor, there is "ondemand" [05:52] but in my experience there's hardly a difference [05:52] I see : ) [05:52] and supposedly it's worse that way because then it's wasting time ramping to the max fast [05:52] "the kernel people" recommend the conservative governor [05:52] Action: TwinReverb waits for the Palin jokes [05:53] ok well adios i must shut down and migrate to the coffee shop [05:53] :D nice [05:53] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/screenshot.jpg [05:54] (iirc) [05:55] TwinReverb, Btw, how much RAM has your linux taken as a whole ? [05:55] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:56] total [05:56] used [05:56] free [05:56] Channel flood from TwinReverb -- kicking [05:56] shared [05:56] TwinReverb kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:56] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:56] Action: TwinReverb is a clown i guess [05:57] total used free shared buffers cached [05:57] Mem: 994 609 384 0 0 395 [05:57] -/+ buffers/cache: 214 780 [05:57] Channel flood from TwinReverb -- kicking [05:57] Swap: 1952 5 1947 [05:57] TwinReverb kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:57] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:57] Action: TwinReverb guesses 2 seconds isn't enough [05:57] lol [05:57] those are in MB [05:57] but i do many things to get my system to eat as little RAM as possible [05:57] slackboy, Where is slackgirl ? [05:58] like changing all fonts in all programs to use Liberation Mono/Sans/Serif (i.e. all Liberation family fonts, no others) [05:58] TwinReverb, So you just have installed liberation font in your machine ? [05:58] pip, what version slackware? [05:58] except those necessary X fonts [05:58] no, they're all installed, but only the Liberation family fonts get used [05:58] 12.2 [05:59] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:59] Okay [05:59] TwinReverb, Do you know where is the best way to set a type of file to pick up a specific icon ? [05:59] Showing in your Xfce [06:00] *s/where/what/g [06:00] I have done that job, but just wondering if there is better way [06:00] uh not sure what you mean [06:00] are you saying what program to open the file(s)? [06:01] I mean how to set a type of files (eg. chm) showing in WM or DE with a customized icon [06:01] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:01] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:01] not sure [06:01] TwinReverb, NO, not the program [06:02] i think you do that using themes [06:02] but again, i'm not sure [06:02] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:02] Okay, forget it : ) I just edited the mime type file in /usre/share/mime and xfce related file about the mime type [06:02] It works [06:02] kewl [06:02] l8r [06:02] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [06:02] Bye [06:02] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Agiofws, How is Greece doing today ? [06:03] Action: Old_Fogie says woohoo; slack 12.2 with gnome...all done < 24hrs :D time to install around the Fort, cu all. [06:03] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [06:05] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:13] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:13] Anyone uses bittornado ? [06:17] yep [06:17] And I just found pkgtool doesn't actually remove the configuration files of a package to be removed [06:17] well rm them? [06:17] thats purging... [06:17] acidchi1d, How do you think of bittornado ? [06:17] i like rtorrent [06:18] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Okay [06:18] How to set LOCALE_CTYPE ? [06:18] export? [06:19] or using /etc/profile? [06:20] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:20] last3d1 (n=Miranda@dynamic-62-87-243-247.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Client Quit [06:25] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:36] panda (n=gabriele@78.13.78.59) joined ##slackware. [06:36] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [06:39] milan (n=chatzill@78-2-1-160.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. 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[06:54] transmission bittorrent is a good client, i includes a GTK frontend, a daemon and a commandline client that is easy to use [06:55] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:55] pip, everything in general [06:56] i was just checking up on ya [06:56] http://www.noobfarm.org/?id=1360 [06:56] :( [06:57] TwinReverb, everything works great, I like slackware very much : ) thanks for concerning [06:58] no problem, i'm always concerning [06:58] sometimes i'm even concerting [06:58] making fun of me when i couldn't get LVM to work :( [06:59] (without an initrd, because i hate initrd) [06:59] if you think initrd is bad, try initramfs [06:59] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:59] after that, initrd is great [07:00] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:00] i know why initrd is used, i'm not saying it's stupid, i just don't like it because it's dumb to do two reads to hard drive on boot if you know what all your hardware is. [07:01] i got so sick of initrd that i switched to a non-LVM installation type once again [07:01] (but then again, my kernel config > generic config because it's lighter and consequently uses less memory, and is more responsive, but oh well) [07:03] i start with defconfig and add only what my PC needs, no sense in building support for hardware i dont own [07:03] i start with generic, trimming out what i know i don't need, and making static what i know i have [07:04] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-bcd7be57152ef3c8) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:05] I like to stick with the generic with small tweaks.. makes life so much easier when going up in kernel versions [07:06] All my boxes are then pat's generic+ext3+ATA driver - if i need to add a tweak for an individual box then i will otherwise, at upgrade time.. i just take Pat's generic again, add the bits and im done [07:06] Shorey (n=Shorey@121.232.188.164) joined ##slackware. [07:06] Generally I dont run any boxes that would be given much of a performance diff with an even smaller kernel; [07:06] true but i don't bother compiling in ePCI (don't have it), all the IDE, SCSI and SATA modules in existence (lol) etcc [07:06] no sense in waiting longer for something you don't have and/or will never have to compile [07:06] like on a laptop, you're not going to add a PCI IDE card [07:07] or an AGP card [07:07] tend to stick the the generic slack kernel nowadays, custom kernels for all the machines I have are a pita [07:07] Shorey (n=Shorey@121.232.188.164) left ##slackware. [07:07] I also like that, because a lot of the basic hardware needs are in there, I dont have to worry about sapping hardware too much because im unlikely to need to make an initrd to boot on something different [07:07] well i only have one machine so i'm good to go there [07:07] but if i had more machines that were different, sure, i'd probably need something more generic [07:07] TwinReverb, I have never tried LVM on linux before , too bad [07:08] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [07:08] But will soom, and RAID [07:08] but then it would be removing what none of my machine have, and adding things they all have [07:08] pip, home user? [07:08] AND.. since i do a recompile on every single machine.. but with only simple config mods.. it's a god opportunity to give the machine a good workout before putting it into production [07:08] Not home, this is a portable computer for school user [07:08] making sure that a good bit of load and memory usage doesnt cause it to crap out and die [07:08] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:08] Zordrak, then again, you can use distcc to compile kernels :D [07:09] i used to love that when i had my dual p3 machine on the LAN: compile times were faster by like 3x [07:09] (i.e. instead of one processor, three) [07:09] assuming linux still exists when my sons are older, etc, they all will get distcc in the house so compiles take less time [07:09] (for all of us) [07:10] i would have three working PCs, but one motherboard needs some new electrolitic capacitors [07:11] i would have two extras but alas my dual p3 machine's motherboard died and my other p3 machine (866mhz) is not assembled, and both are back in the states [07:12] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Excess Flood [07:12] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [07:12] and i'll basically use this laptop until it dies (literally) [07:13] Nick change: Agiofws -> A]giofws [07:14] iknow a place in oklahoma city that sells electronic components he even has tubes for tube type radios, someday when i know i have to go up to OKC i will try to remember to bring that motherboard and see if he has any [07:14] not worth making a special trip just for that motherboard, OKC is 90 miles away [07:15] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn198.78-99-9.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [07:15] thats the price you pay to live in hillbilly country [07:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] rworkman: I have an X61s actually :p [07:27] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Connection timed out [07:28] antoni (n=antoni@165.pool85-53-14.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:31] afternoon fred =) [07:32] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:34] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [07:41] oddsock (n=me@adsl-32-207.teol.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] fred, x61? [07:42] is there one you would recommend at $1000 or less that's going to have excellent battery life, dual core, and (hopefully) SATA? [07:53] Huh.. I think i might have made a mistake with my parents christmas present (Slack backup server) [07:53] I have spent quit e abit of time so far on trying to get amanda to work [07:53] dell xps m1330n is just under $1000 atm [07:53] I think the simpler answer is.. give up and try BAckula instead :/ [07:54] backula seems simpler and easier for disk-based backups and windows clients [07:54] it's not like Amanda hasnt had enough maturation time.. it's had forever [07:54] hp nc6230, what XkbModel should i set in xorg.conf for this laptop? [07:56] well if you have more than one PC, it helps to have a central backup server [07:56] however, they could be backing stuff up on each other's machines using file sharing (if space permits) [07:56] FreeNAS and a PC full of harddrives [07:56] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:57] there is a game in #jswolfbot and we need more people [07:58] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [07:58] or what XkbModel to set for common laptop? any suggestion? [07:59] admin__ (n=admin@201-92-48-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Nick change: admin__ -> monstro [08:01] Hi all, [08:02] What is packages need of serie A for installation? [08:02] all of them i believe [08:02] i might be wrong [08:03] fred, pingski [08:03] What is kernels need, exist many kernels? [08:03] kernel huge, kernel smp... etc [08:03] monstro: hugesmp for installation [08:03] monstro: generic after that [08:04] Zordrak, hugesmp.s for installation and after is the kernel generic is need? [08:04] Action: chopp seconds Pig_Pen's backup strategy of FreeNAS. works great for me. :) [08:05] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009128148.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:05] hi you guys. :D [08:06] now that I have a linode, I backup my main box to it also. [08:06] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:08] monstro (n=admin@201-92-48-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Fui embora" [08:10] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) left irc: "leaving" [08:14] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:17] happy new year people [08:21] TwinReverb: pong? [08:22] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:26] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:30] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-326936.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:30] fridim (n=fridim@dedie.gcolpart.com) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Well, I've a doubt. I use the smp kernel, and the broadcom b43 module instaled (and loaded) by default at boot is for huge.s (i guess). [08:31] So, to make the wireless card work, i run #rmmob b43 && modprobe b43 [08:34] I had a look using $locate module |grep b43 and it returns the b43 module for both kernels (huge.s e smp). There's a way to remove the b43 module from huge.s kernel, to smp dont load it? [08:35] you can blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [08:35] that way the system won't load it on startup [08:36] but if I do it the module can be loaded manually? [08:37] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [08:38] yes [08:38] quanto costa picolo orgazmo? [08:39] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] q'esto catzo? [08:40] :\ [08:40] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left irc: "Leaving." [08:40] your wife just had a what? [08:43] I'm wondering if he was making reference to the Matt Stone/Trey Parker movie of Orgasmo... [08:43] it almost looks like he was asking how many small orgasms or something [08:44] :D [08:44] no idea, the orgazmo just popped out at me. :) [08:45] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:45] heh [08:45] is that portugese or spanish or what? [08:46] its not spanish [08:46] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [08:46] italian [08:46] maybe italian [08:46] its not italian [08:46] only part of it is translating.. "how much cost" something something [08:46] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) joined ##slackware. [08:47] ... "a small orgasm" [08:47] Yeah.. so it looks like I was close "how much does a small orgasm cost" roughly translated [08:47] right [08:47] with a spelling error of piccolo [08:47] Sounds to me like he was in the *wrong* channel hehe [08:47] Or an amateur troll [08:51] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:53] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:54] antoni (n=antoni@7.pool85-53-25.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:57] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. 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[09:12] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:14] I use rtorrent, ctrorrent or ktorrent [09:14] depending on task, machine and mood ^-^ [09:15] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:15] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:15] kama (n=kama@host147-115-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:16] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@221.226.45.249) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Well, I really like command line stuff since most boxes I work on are remote and firing up vnc is just extra work [09:17] rtorrent or ctorrent then [09:18] rtorrent rocks [09:18] TwinReverb: around now :p [09:18] use it all the time [09:19] +1 for rtorrent [09:19] Action: Old_Fogie says wowzers fc-cache on install of Slack 12.2 takes 10 minutes on p3 900 / 256 mb ram! [09:20] Action: fred nudges TwinReverb [09:20] Nick change: A]giofws -> Agiofws [09:20] Action: Old_Fogie installed 2x to be sure, switched to vt, and I think setup is lying. says it's on fc-cache but 'top' shows gencupsppd script running [09:21] oh well, installed but took that out of rc.M on boot [09:21] Old_Fogie, it took long for me too. I also started a second shell and yes, it wasnt fc-cahce but gutenberg stuff in top [09:22] slackytude, ok [09:22] misery loves company [09:22] ok I'll hack the install cd then [09:22] not nearly as long as it took you, tho [09:22] long enought for me to worry, tho [09:22] man it takes *forever* to boot on this box if I keep that in rc.M [09:22] oh yeah, I seriously thought I froze up [09:23] heh, especially when you consider it still only installs in 20-25 minutes...but now an extra 10-12 minutes...for that, heh yea that's alarming [09:23] well, yeah, I was a bit shocked. What? I was thinking, a froen slack install? the end of the world is near [09:24] I know me too, was like "oh man...the p3 is finally dead..nozers!" :) [09:24] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-326936.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:25] but its working now. that was the slack install for me mum. she loves it so far. winxp on that machine washorrible [09:25] and since it's pegging the proc at 100% switching to vt took like 10 seconds...was lagged out...again..panic level rose heh [09:25] nah, that worked nicely. as soon as I had the vt open and did a top I was clam again [09:25] slackytude, oh yeah your Mom is using it? how long? does she like it? [09:25] calm even [09:26] yeah, she is for two weeks now. she likes it. "stable and fast" she said. "slow to boot too". however, if she uses it, she just keeps it on, cos the screensavers are cool to look at [09:27] slackytude, for 'newcomers' I use in the append line "quiet" so it doesn't show all the linux spam (which I like) but noobs really panic. [09:27] I was worried about the language at first, as Im using english and never had to switch everything to german. xfce respects the locale settings, tho. worked on first try :D [09:27] oh that's good [09:28] yeah, it is. that reminds me, tho, I have to replace the default FF with a german one [09:28] slackytude, show here the game 'patience' she'll be hooked, heh. [09:28] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Old_Fogie, good ideas (the quit append line and the games) gonna do that [09:29] I used slim as a login manager. I kinda like it [09:29] dorayakikun (n=chotib@114.58.83.189) joined ##slackware. [09:30] according to the rtorrent user guide the upload throttling is global, not per torrent. dam. [09:30] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:38] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.250.52.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [09:38] from what I gather, the SBo ctorrent package is aactually the enhanced ctorrent [09:39] bughunter2 (n=jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] bughunter2 (n=jelle@77.164.66.126) left ##slackware. [09:39] woh, bad crash [09:39] heh, fogie-gnome :) [09:39] hey Old_Fogie :) [09:40] h-e-l-l-o pprkut :) [09:40] rworkman: would you agree? [09:40] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [09:40] pprkut: hope you're able to make heads & tails (e.g. understand) my gibberish in my email to you :) [09:41] Old_Fogie: I answered you already. I hope I did :) [09:41] oh didn't get a chance to check the mail yet pprkut ; been putting 12.2 on here ; but I'll check in a few min [09:42] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Old_Fogie: I envy you for 12.2.....really...I wish I could switch too :( [09:42] oh why can't you switch? [09:44] too much to migrate currently [09:44] oh yea that makes sense for sure [09:45] pprkut: I know the feeling. I'm glad I spent a *ton* of hours basically putting my SBo's into a build-system that does "for foo in foo do $foo.SlackBuild" and walk away [09:45] well, it cd's into the dir...then runs the $dir.SlackBuild but you get the idea [09:45] I have to migrate my data soon anyway (new notebook), so I most of all do not want to do it twice [09:45] Old_Fogie: why not just use sbopkg? [09:45] Old_Fogie: different than what sbopkg does? [09:46] SiegeX: =P [09:46] Old_Fogie: i did that when i upgraded to 12.1 [09:46] it ended up blowing up on me. Ran out of /tmp ;) [09:46] Old_Fogie: yeah, but I also have a lot of stuff set up that is not on SBo, which I still need in January (and then never again....) [09:46] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-326936.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:47] well I used sbopkg in the beginning, and since I have so much to replace of stock slackware, then build gnome..then the SBo stuff, it seemed wise at the time (as sbopkg was new) to do it that way [09:47] Before I go an reinvent the wheel with a from scratch source compile or start making a slackbuild.. anyone got a slackbuild for Bacula in their bottom drawer? [09:48] Bacula :D [09:48] i've been meaning to try that. [09:48] Zordrak: ya might ask in #slackbuilds too.. [09:48] makercc (n=makerc@189-18-104-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:48] I basically have a script that removes the stock stuff, builds the replacements, then gnome...then all my SBo/slacky/alienbob scritps then [09:48] I would.. but it's the day after new yearas day and it's dead in there :) plus nearly everyone in there is also in here [09:49] I tried using Amanda.. but it's just too much hacking.. Amanda was designed for "Unix to Tape" and while it does to other thing.s. it's just never been designed to do what I want and everything is about moulding around the "Unix to Tape" design [09:50] bacula is designed for "anything to anything" [09:50] And since im primarily arranging "Windows to Disk" it seems like a better option [09:51] fred, sorry brb [09:51] just v. surprised not to find a slackbuild.. thought it would be v. popular [09:52] dunno why but suddenly I started getting this error when issuing startx(after I set Slackware to default in lilo.conf). It doesn't show any EEs. It says something like: Module amdac already built-in. Dunno if that's helpful [09:52] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [09:52] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-134-144.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:53] limac: seems a simple error msg... trying to load "loadable module X" but no need as is compiled into the core [09:55] Zordrak: so how exaclty do I go about solving it? [09:55] tell it to stop trying to load the module [09:55] somehow [09:55] somewhere [09:55] i'd start in xorg.conf looking for "amdac" [09:55] woohoo my grades were just posted, straight A's this semester *dance* [09:57] Zordrak: there is nothing called amdac in my xorg.conf [09:57] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.133.72) joined ##slackware. [09:57] grep -R amdac /etc :) [09:58] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:58] that shows quilte a lot of places in /etc. including lilo.conf~ [09:59] well.. glwt :) [09:59] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [10:00] Slackbuilds are making me lazy.. I need to build GNUCash and Bacula from source.. but I can't be arsed to go through every single configure option and determine what it is what it does and whether I need it... [10:00] Obviously I *will* [10:00] I just can't be arsed right now.. too much effort for a friday afternooon :) [10:00] I've decided to remove Ubuntu and do another Slackware minimum install from CD1, do you think it's worth it? [10:01] i've built all the packages from slacbuilds so it's much faster this time [10:01] <_chess_> IntangibleLiquid: do you even need to ask given you are in ##slackware? :-) [10:01] IntangibleLiquid: I exclusively use full installs of the latest slack [10:01] and anything i dont need is disabled [10:01] anything i find i do need later is there or can be slackbuilt [10:02] to be quite honest, i think i'm addicted to slackware [10:02] Reaver_11 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [10:03] _chess_, hehe, coz i know you guys will always give good advice :P [10:04] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.116.251.243.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [10:05] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@221.226.45.249) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:06] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-145-102.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [10:09] dorayakikun (n=chotib@114.58.83.189) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:09] uhvo (n=priit@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Zordrak: there is a bacula SlackBuild here (untested) http://slackware.sukkology.net/packages/bacula/bacula.SlackBuild [10:11] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:13] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [10:14] tyvm [10:14] will be nice to use it as a starting point and then tweak to my needs [10:14] appreciated [10:15] may need a *lot* of work.. is a major version behind [10:16] timepilot (n=timepilo@c-98-216-175-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] milan (n=chatzill@78-2-1-160.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "gone finally" [10:16] right sod it.. im going haem [10:17] elderK (n=k@218-101-117-18.dialup.clear.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:17] screw waiting for my boss to leave [10:17] makercc (n=makerc@189-18-104-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:17] Hey guys, [10:17] Anywhere here having any issues with the GNOME/Tango icons on Slackware? [10:17] In say, XFCE, [10:17] Thunar, under /dev, all the icons are just sheets of paper :P [10:18] Id really like to fix this if I could, any pointers/tips would be appreciated :) [10:18] Ive found them all too - they are there. /usr/share/icons/gnome/32x32/devices/* [10:20] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:21] elderK: is xfce-mcs-settings running? [10:21] elderK: also be sure you have hicolor-icon-theme installed [10:22] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) joined ##slackware. [10:23] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:23] fred, this time i'm serious lol sorry [10:23] Old_Fogie: Ive got hicolor-icon theme installed, gnome, tango and tango extras. [10:23] lemme check ps ax :) [10:23] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.250.52.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:23] xfce-mcs-manager is [10:23] is the 'htdig' package safe to remove? [10:24] yes [10:24] delete /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache if it exist [10:24] if you arent indexing the net. [10:24] ive never used it, but im not sure if other packages might [10:24] elderK: got a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file made from something like ubunut/debian that's calling for a theme that you don't have? [10:24] XGizzmo: Should I clear all the caches? [10:24] Nope. [10:24] Fresh install of Slack12.2 [10:24] with XFCE. [10:24] elderK: fresh 'home' [10:25] yup [10:25] ? [10:25] try a diff icon theme yet? [10:25] yup [10:25] rodent, tango, gnome :P [10:25] yeah and dont pick hicolor as a theme [10:26] XGizzmo: right, but hicolor is the fallback for missing icons is why i menitoned [10:26] refreshing cache now [10:26] van_ (n=van@athedsl-408701.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:26] aoliveira (n=konversa@20151015024.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:26] ##slackware: mode change '+b aoliv*!*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:26] aoliveira kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You are annoying, trolling and ban evading. Stay out for a month. [10:26] okay, done. [10:26] :/ [10:26] Also, under XFCE options [10:26] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:26] all the icons are missing ther etoo [10:26] perhaps I should restart X11? [10:27] no you don't need to do that at all [10:27] I wonder whtas going on :/ [10:27] ls -al |grep .gtkrc <---really no joke have a look that sounds like that [10:27] ~/.gtkrc [10:27] I mean [10:27] I have none... [10:27] no ~/.gtk* [10:27] gyroscopes (n=master@85.98.207.131) joined ##slackware. [10:27] :P [10:28] you did a "full" everything install? [10:28] No. [10:28] Quite selective install. [10:28] gyroscopes (n=master@85.98.207.131) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:28] but all the needed libraries are there. [10:28] the icon sets are there, [10:28] icon naming utils... [10:28] elderK: check if you have icon-naming-utils or something like that [10:28] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] got them [10:28] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [10:29] TwinReverb, I set the cpufrequency governor to be conservative in rc.local file, but it seems doesn't work, [10:29] after startup ,I found that the cpufreq governor is userspace [10:29] elderK: don't know what to tell you, xfce links to alot of items not sure what you're missing. [10:30] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja5.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [10:30] Im trying to find out what scripts icon-naming-utils provide. [10:30] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:30] because even the XFCE Default, Rodent [10:30] is botched [10:30] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:30] See [10:30] when I started XFCE [10:30] pip, probably need to put a command in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules to load the cpufreq-conservative modules [10:30] er module [10:30] I didnt have highcolor or gnome icons instaled. [10:31] TwinReverb, Already done that [10:31] I have set those necessary steps [10:32] elderK: my advice run down thru section l of the install media and confirm/deny if you do don't need, section (a) and (ap) as well. aside from that xfce is self inclusive in the xfce*tgz in the (xap) section [10:32] TwinReverb, Sorry, I mispelled that word conservative , stpudi [10:32] pip, are you sure ? [10:32] *Stupid [10:32] nah you're not stupid, you're human [10:32] TwinReverb, :S [10:32] hm [10:32] Old_Fogie [10:32] have you checked out the icon-name-mapping script? /usr/libexec ? [10:33] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24) joined ##slackware. [10:33] elderK: why would I? I mean I dont do installs that way, not really my style (I'm not being rude here either) [10:34] Hey, I take no offense dude :) [10:34] pip: what is the exact command you issue in rc.local? [10:34] yeah I just aint ever had a reason to [10:34] TwinReverb, : ) forget it , I misspelled that word to be 'convervative' [10:34] elderK: google 'requiredbuilder' fro slackware see if they got the ldd's out for stock slack 12.1 and review the package is a start point [10:35] Those annoying error are hard to find out [10:35] or install all of a,ap,l and see then elderK [10:35] hwiesinger, Forget it : ) [10:35] ok [10:36] is there a good way to fight procrastination? [10:36] elderK: http://www.xfce.org/documentation/requirements [10:37] Anyone uses deluge client ? [10:39] cheers gizzmo [10:40] ][AlFr3DO][ (i=Darwin@190.49.115.252) joined ##slackware. [10:40] dorayakikun1 (i=1000@114.58.90.210) joined ##slackware. [10:40] pip, yeah man, i used to use it in ubuntu, what's with deluge? [10:41] ][AlFr3DO][ (i=Darwin@190.49.115.252) left ##slackware. [10:41] Nick change: dorayakikun1 -> dorayakikun [10:41] HOw do you think of it ? Is it fast and stable ? [10:41] Ive got them all :/ [10:41] All except the optional components. [10:41] and most of them I have too [10:41] pip, best so far, you'll like it :-) [10:41] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-326936.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] except the gnome stuff like GDM, etc [10:41] lol [10:42] Action: pip can't wait [10:42] elderK, what is gizzmo ? [10:42] :( [10:42] Im going to see if I can find link failures. [10:42] bbs [10:42] thanks for the help guys. [10:43] elderK (n=k@218-101-117-18.dialup.clear.net.nz) left irc: "Leaving." [10:45] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:45] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [10:45] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [10:45] never understand why people will ask if there's a known problem with an app... and do partial installs [10:46] what was that computer that had the central memory unit and not the central processing unit? [10:47] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.90.210) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:48] elderK (n=k@218-101-117-18.dialup.clear.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:49] :/ odd [10:49] reboot [10:49] and now XFCE icons are all oaky [10:49] Rodent shows /dev/* oay in Thunar [10:49] but Tango and GNOME dont [10:50] ktabic (n=ktabic@81.133.234.131) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:52] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Luxiano (i=Luxiano@unaffiliated/luxiano) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Weird. [10:54] Old_Fogie: Have you had any luck with the Tango/GNOME iconset in Slackware? [10:54] mindeq (i=qq@client-87-247-116-48.inturbo.lt) joined ##slackware. [10:55] dorayakikun (n=chotib@114.58.68.81) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:55] elderK: yeah it's fine here [10:56] Hm. [10:56] What DE are you using, man? [10:56] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:56] gnome [10:56] Dropline? GWARE? GSB? GARNOME? [10:56] my own [10:56] Nice. [10:57] I wonder what the glitch is :/ [10:57] xfce is on the other box in 12.2 and it's fine there I just tested it before [10:57] Im starting to wonder if it is a THUNAR specific thing [10:57] nope. [10:57] h [10:57] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [10:57] m [10:57] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:57] you're missing something [10:57] elderK (n=k@218-101-117-18.dialup.clear.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:57] heh fail [10:57] :P Sorry, flooding. [10:57] not missing the enter key, heh [10:57] :P yeah, totally. [10:57] elderK: tried running thunar from an xterm? [10:57] see if anything spams out [10:57] No, good idea. [10:57] check your ~/.xsession-errors file [10:58] nothing spams :/ [10:59] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:00] no ~/.xsession-errors [11:00] no file? [11:00] no file [11:01] well I may be wrong here, but I could've sworn that 'that' file is supposed to be created on login. [11:01] What kind of install do you usually perform, Old_Fogie? [11:01] Fogie, can I PM you the list? [11:01] I do full on : a, ap, d, l,n, x,y,tcl [11:01] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:02] I'm finishing this cigar then gonna take a fogienap [11:02] so cant go thru it for ya [11:02] I hand pick from a, ap, d, l, n, x, k, xap. I skip tcl, f, e [11:02] mib_5bbn31 (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-11b50c6e49a74725) joined ##slackware. [11:02] hi everyone [11:02] Nick change: mib_5bbn31 -> python_user [11:03] well, sleep well fogie dude. [11:03] and hey, thank for your help :) [11:03] If I have already downloaded a source package manually ,how to make sbo don't download an old package again ? [11:03] Happy New Year! [11:03] but use the newer one instead to build a binary package [11:03] python_user, You too [11:04] *s/don't/not to/g [11:05] i've just downloaded slack 12.2 and I was wondering if I'm also supposed to burn the .asc and md5sum files that come with the iso file [11:05] elderK (n=k@218-101-117-18.dialup.clear.net.nz) left ##slackware. [11:05] elderK: do you have a /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce file? I dont have one here a.t.m gnome only now..but it should say to create a ~/.xsession-errors file there. I wonder if you've got no .bashrc or what not [11:05] oh skip that nope sorry misread that...err darnwhich file is tha. [11:05] python_user: the .asc file is just a check to see if you d/l the .iso file properly - so you only need to burn the iso [11:06] same with the md5sum file [11:06] cool ok [11:06] Any ideas ? [11:06] well off for a nap cu all. [11:06] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [11:06] so anybody tried out slack 12.2? what do you think? [11:06] python_user, Fantastic [11:06] You can't miss it [11:06] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Connection timed out [11:06] python_user: sorry - the .asc file is used to verify that you got the iso from the proper place, the md5sum file is a check to see if it d/l properly [11:07] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] the .asc file is a gpg signature of who built the iso [11:08] I just got my 12.2 disks in the mail this week - still debating on whether to test on my laptop or my home desktop [11:08] TwinReverb, Hi [11:08] ok [11:09] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:10] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:10] pip, what do you think is the best thing about the update? [11:10] python_user, I am a new slacker starting from 12.2 [11:11] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:11] python_user, Everything that has updated : ) [11:14] ganeshix_ (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:15] pip, haha me too man [11:15] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] No question, just install it :D [11:15] python_user, what's your current distribution ? [11:16] python_user: slackware 12.2 is wholesome goodness. [11:17] Luxiano (i=Luxiano@unaffiliated/luxiano) left ##slackware. [11:17] TwinReverb: I suggest you stop pinging me and going away before I respond, and instead just actually say what is it you want (more specifically than 'your attention') [11:19] ganeshix_ (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:19] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:19] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:20] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] current one is 12.0 [11:20] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [11:20] but I had problems trying to install it on my Mac so thought I'd try slack 12.2 [11:20] Nick change: Stx_ -> Stx [11:21] python_user, Okay. then you are already a slacker now [11:21] python_user, Mac [11:21] python_user, where is the damn OSX [11:21] haha [11:21] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] you know what I meant [11:22] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:22] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:22] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.36.123) left irc: "Leaving" [11:23] fred, i'm sorry, it's as if i'm always busy when you finally answer, so we're really just sort of missing each other [11:24] fred, they have refurbished macbooks for $800-ish [11:24] kantor (i=bird@79.114.86.175) joined ##slackware. [11:24] does slamd64 have xfce? [11:24] hi [11:24] is there a file maybe in the /proc directory that contains my network cards, and IP addresses ? [11:25] kantor, see /proc [11:25] kantor, and "man ifconfig" [11:25] since it lists several files in that area [11:25] TwinReverb: slamd64 has whatever slackware has, so I would guess "yes" if it's in slackware [11:25] alisonken1home, just asking (sorry) [11:25] Action: ganeshix is away: I'll be back [11:26] ganeshix: turn off that away message. [11:27] TwinReverb: as for "missing" that's irc in general, you don't need to have synchronomous conversations, as long as people have their irc clients decently configured (awaylogs/hilights etc) [11:28] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:29] not everybody logs or wants to log tho [11:31] what package contains libboost ? [11:31] pip: boost [11:31] (rough guess) ;) [11:31] Is there a package named libboost ? [11:31] van_ (n=van@athedsl-408701.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:32] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-02472.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:32] BP{k}, true [11:32] mlangdn (n=michael@host-209-214-174-5.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] True ? [11:32] fred, did you change your IM client address? can you /msg it to me so i can talk to you in real time? [11:33] I think there is a package named libboost [11:33] TwinReverb: plus a quick look at any slamd64 mirror could have told you that answer as well ;) [11:33] BP{k}, :P [11:33] But I can't find that package on slackware [11:33] Karu (n=alch@78-28-76-233.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:33] boost [11:33] okay [11:33] pip: libboost is part of boost as I already told you. [11:33] boost is not part of slackware. [11:34] it is in testing/kde4 [11:34] :D roger [11:34] it is in testing/kde4/deps [11:34] there is a build script for boost on SBo. [11:34] check package boost- in /var/log/packages - if it's not there, then it's not part of default slackware. I installed mine from sbopkg [11:34] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Success [11:34] alisonken1home, BP{k}, do you use slamd64? [11:34] supergear: which does not invalidate my statement. boost is in slackware-current/testing/ .. not part of stable. [11:34] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [11:34] TwinReverb: no. [11:35] BP{k}, didn't say it did invalidate what you said geez [11:35] TwinReverb: I have it on the office desktop and the church sound recording system [11:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) left irc: "Bye Bye" [11:36] boost is also in /testing/packages/kde4/deps [11:36] python_user (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-11b50c6e49a74725) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [11:36] Boost is as big as a fat [11:36] alisonken1home, how well does it work? how well does xfce do on it? (is it 32bit or 64bit xfce?) [11:36] Action: pip forgets boost now [11:36] chopp, i already said that yo :P [11:36] TwinReverb: I have KDE set, so haven't tried xfce [11:36] i didn't necessarily mean (btw) "does slamd64 have it" but more like "does it work good" [11:36] alisonken1home, screenshots of the sound recording system would rock, btw [11:37] kantor (i=bird@79.114.86.175) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:37] TwinReverb: standard jackd, qjackctl, and ardour (with the sound mixer loaded _after_ jackd), but I'll try and get a screenshot for you Sunday [11:38] but it is nice on a widescreen lcd lenovo system :) [11:39] kewlness [11:39] Action: TwinReverb found the FAQ [11:40] but I will admit that the new v2 ardour (compared to the v0.9x) is nice [11:40] stupid question: are macbooks 64bit or 32bit? [11:40] depends on the macbook - the newer x86 ones are supposed to be 64bit if I remember correctly [11:41] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: [11:41] I _think_ the older ppc macbooks went 64bit before the x86 switch, but can't validate that since I don't really follow macs [11:42] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:42] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [11:42] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl218-48.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:43] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:46] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:47] TwinReverb: the Core Duo ones are not [11:47] The Core 2 Duo ones are [11:50] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [11:51] giuppy (n=giuppy@host139-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:53] straterra, this one: http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB403LL/A?mco=MjE0NDk5Mw it says core 2 duo [11:53] so then basically it IS 64bit [11:53] if its C2D, its 64-bit [11:54] yep [11:54] i just wonder if it's worth putting linux on it [11:54] the keyboard would be foreign to me, as would the mouse (not having right-click) [11:54] it has right click [11:54] there is only one button [11:54] TwinReverb: yes, slamd64 has XFCE [11:54] TwinReverb you can have other mice as well. But keyboard, I don't know [11:54] It has right click [11:54] fred, hola :) [11:54] however, I have no expereience on EFI [11:55] or whatever bootloading system mac uses :p [11:55] It has EFI and BIOS [11:55] It's an easy install [11:55] You partition using bootcamp and just install like normal [11:56] fred, do you have a recommendation for a 64bit machine with at least a normal to full size keyboard, at least 2GHz dual core processor (regardless of company), works well with linux, 1GB ram or more? basically, which processor and/or laptop will run slamd64 best? [11:56] Any x86_64 (minus early C2 line) will run Slamd64 fine [11:56] except for laptops, I tend to buy parts [11:56] i'm processor company agnostic: i just want 4 hours or more on batteries (assuming i'm not burning dual layer DVD lol [11:56] for laptops, a thinkpad or a mac I hear [11:57] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [11:57] a thinkpad would probably be more useful for slamd64 [11:57] Get a netbook then [11:57] (given most mac linux documentation is for *buntu) [11:57] barf [11:57] Linux on a Macbook isn't hard at all [11:57] a friend of mine has a macbook and he can boot knoppix fine, but i think his wireless doesn't work [11:57] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.36.87) joined ##slackware. [11:58] linux on a thinkpad, however, is just plain awesome :) [11:58] and i'm not sure i would even want to put linux on a mac. it's just ... perfect lol [11:58] Action: fred hugs his X61s [11:58] The wireless is going to be a broadcom or intel wireless n [11:58] x61 ... gotcha [11:58] TwinReverb: mac... perfect?! [11:58] you've never done development on one, right? [11:58] Mac's aren't perfect by ANY means [11:58] no but i don't develop on linux [11:58] Despite apple's BS claims [11:58] i don't have time to program right now [11:59] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl218-48.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: "brb" [11:59] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Action: fred hates his macmini [11:59] I loved my Macbook Pro [11:59] y0 [11:59] oh lord [11:59] z0mghai [11:59] straterra: it was an unnatural love. [12:00] I did something wrong [12:00] fred: Not really..It ran Vista and I gamed on it :P [12:00] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:00] fred, is there a comparable line of lenovo to x61 that is sub-$1000 ? [12:00] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: "Leaving" [12:00] i just wanted your blessings on it before i buy [12:00] [Fri Jan 02 09:18:30 2009] [notice] child pid 28215 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [12:00] i know how to use the interweb [12:00] [Fri Jan 02 09:18:38 2009] [notice] child pid 28216 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [12:00] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl218-48.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.13) joined ##slackware. [12:00] I tried to make a german firefox package, using a slackware slackbuild for firefox. however, when I installed it, it set the permission to /usr to 600 for root [12:00] any ideas why a pretty low useage apache keeps segfaulting with no other information? [12:00] TwinReverb: possibly some T61 [12:01] I was like O_o [12:01] the nice thing about the X61s is ~ 13h battery life with the extra batteries :p [12:01] slackytude: what slackbuild? [12:01] slackytude: grep the slackbuild for a chmod? [12:01] (and up to 3h and no weight on the standard battery) [12:01] straterra, out of the slackware source dir ap/ from some mirror [12:01] fred, is sata really "all that and a box of chocolates" on linux? [12:01] slackytude: link? [12:01] uhvo (n=priit@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:01] that slackbuild just repackages the binary [12:01] acidchi1d, it would have been wise to do that before [12:02] SATA works fine in Linux. [12:02] acidchi1d, let me check [12:02] i know it does, i'm asking from a bang for buck sense [12:02] TwinReverb: please rephrase that without using an idiom I don't know. [12:02] libata helps. [12:02] i think the problem is between keyboard and chair? [12:02] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Most all newer laptops will use SATA [12:02] is sata worth paying the extra price for in a laptop? [12:02] You don't pay an extra price [12:02] It's the standard [12:02] on some [12:02] Nick change: acidchi1d -> acidchild [12:02] well on most but anyways [12:03] acidchild, http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/source/xap/mozilla-firefox/ [12:03] antoni (n=antoni@7.pool85-53-25.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:03] SATA laptop drives are more convenient if you have to remove them [12:03] antoni (n=antoni@7.pool85-53-25.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [12:03] also, you don't have to worry about bent pins [12:03] i'm just asking because i'm in south korea and the odds of me being able to test drive any of these is basically null [12:04] basically, ask /dev/null [12:04] TwinReverb: the odds are nowhere near as small as if you were a little further north. [12:04] true [12:04] I'd be surprised if there are many mainline laptops from major suppliers that still use ide HDDs [12:04] IDE/PATA wasn't so bad [12:04] Also, you have "enhanced" chipset configurations that only work with SATA..so.. [12:04] Also, if you get lucky, a SATA laptop MIGHT have esata [12:04] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [12:05] but i've seen some laptops that just absolutely scream speed [12:05] and..I bet they use multiple SATA drives [12:05] i may get what that dude has that i helped shoe-horn vista and mandriva on the same hard drive [12:05] a sony vaio something [12:05] granted it's 17" which is a bit larger than i like but oh well [12:05] I don't recomment Sony Vaio [12:05] god no! [12:06] recommend^ [12:06] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:06] but everything worked perfectly on it! [12:06] You pay a lot for the name [12:06] sony vaio = nothing over a laptop half the price [12:06] except sony jizzed on it. [12:06] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl218-48.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:06] HAHAHA :( [12:06] dios2 (i=test@88.236.180.204) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Nick change: nick4_ -> nick4 [12:06] and while laptops are propriatary ANYWAY...Sony's tend to be even more so. [12:06] Desktops are included in that statement [12:06] and sony will abandon support for the drivers the moment a sp arrives [12:06] yeah the whole DRM thing i think [12:06] DRM? [12:07] What DRM? [12:07] and the 3yo sonys at work don't even recognize USB for booting [12:07] Yay, it's tangent time! [12:07] Looks like it only does mkdir -p /usr/lib something, yet all of /usr gets chmoded [12:07] fred: tangent? did I miss something? [12:08] I will fully recommend a dell m1330n [12:08] well anyways, nevermind [12:08] i think the dude essentially had the intel ICH6 centrino platform [12:08] and iirc his wireless "just worked" (tm) [12:09] In Slackware/Slamd64, wireless doesn't "just work" [12:09] I bet its an Intel chipset though [12:09] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] installpkg wicd and quite a few will "just work" [12:10] yes [12:10] yeah hence why i said that [12:11] I meant Intel wireless chipset [12:11] pthreat (n=ctd@host216.201-253-16.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:11] well, wireless works on my 12.1 laptop with madwifi - but your "just work" may not apply since I use my laptop for testing different setups I had to do some extra steps [12:11] but, then again, I use madwifi and not intel :) [12:12] Hi, im running the slack 12.2 boot cd in an AMD K6-2 450Mhz computer with 92MB of RAM, and im getting out of memory kernel panics with huge.s :D [12:12] my laptop with madwifi needs a touch extra work - due to only having one antenna [12:12] pthreat: don't use huge.s [12:12] and..are you trying to install or just run? [12:12] man that's sad [12:12] ? [12:13] install of course [12:13] Oh..hmm [12:13] python_user (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-890817c98f9829cb) joined ##slackware. [12:13] theres no bare.i afaik [12:13] should install with 92 megs..but..do you have another computer? [12:13] You can do the install and transplant the hard drive [12:13] straterra: no [12:14] when did slackware turned this way xD lol [12:14] well..that is an old machine [12:14] the initrd requires 32megs to even unpack [12:14] You could set up a swap space before installing [12:14] i just tried to partition my hard drive using cfdisk and I keep getting this error- "Wrote partition table, but re- read table failed. Reboot to update table" [12:14] so..reboot. [12:15] i did, like 2 or 3 times but same thing [12:15] python_user: are you repartitioning a live system, or repartitioning from a live/boot cd? [12:15] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:15] it's on my macbook i should mention so I was wondering if there are any special parameters that I need to enter? [12:16] what's a live system? [12:16] running from the disk you're trying to repartition [12:17] or trying to partition a second disk while running from the first disk [12:17] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "going" [12:18] i think it's the latter, I'm trying to partition my hard drive using the Slackware 12.2 boot disc cfdisk program [12:19] that's the normal way to repartition - boot the cd and repartition disks from there. so - do what it says, repartition, then reboot back into the install cd to continue [12:20] straterra: well i guess im effed [12:20] antoni (n=antoni@7.pool85-53-25.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Client Quit [12:20] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.13) left irc: "Bye Bye" [12:21] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [12:21] that's what I did. After repartitioning, I rebooted and tried to go to the setup program but when I try to select "Target Media" nothing happens [12:21] straterra: no other suggestion ? [12:21] it keeps telling me to cfdisk [12:21] and cfdisk keeps telling me to reboot [12:22] python_user: i just wonder how many times are you going to partition the disk [12:22] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [12:22] dios_here (i=test@88.241.141.232) left irc: Connection timed out [12:23] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:24] also, I only have about 4GB of space on the partition. Is that what is causing the problem? Because I read the full install needs about 5B? [12:24] 5GB :) [12:25] mlangdn (n=michael@host-209-214-174-5.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:25] yeah that is a bit too low for a full install plus swap space [12:26] a k6-II these days is probably best used as a custom router/firewall solution imho [12:26] i had one that was used in that way and it did a good job [12:26] they do a very good job [12:27] (##slackware) Channel ban on aoliv*!*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br expired. [12:27] ##slackware: mode change '-b aoliv*!*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:27] but now i see that theres no small kernel :D [12:27] nothing light to boot from [12:27] do most fingerprint readers work on linux right now? can they be used for passwords and/or encryption/decryption? [12:27] TwinReverb: if you use PAM yes [12:28] and this is the reason why im setting debian or freebsd on it [12:28] And only as a substitute for password entry [12:28] man i wouldn't want that if i absolutely had to have pam for it [12:28] I think I know what went wrong [12:28] I guess it used my umask setting [12:29] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:29] TwinReverb, there is nothing wrong with pam these days, really, it has had it's dark hour in the past but that is just that, the past, i've not seen a pam related vulnerability in the last 2 years [12:30] python_user (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-890817c98f9829cb) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [12:30] no as in i prefer slackware [12:30] and slackware don't have pam [12:30] granted i've seen mandriva run real fast on core 2 duo machines, but i still prefer slackware [12:31] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-02472.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:31] slack doesnt stop being slack if it came with PAM [12:31] nick4 (n=alek@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:31] slackware does not come with pam, therefore pam must be evil! [12:31] nachox: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/32374 right [12:32] well, my mother now has german firefox. must have done something wrong the first time [12:32] Pig_Pen: slackware doesnt runs on my K6-2 CPU so it must have become evil someway [12:32] no i'm just saying that right now it doesn't come with pam [12:33] Kresho (n=Kresho@78-0-204-65.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [12:33] pthreat, that is a single pam module, pam used to have problems because of pam alone, thats what i meant [12:33] pthreat: you should donate that ancient PC to a museum [12:33] Pig_Pen: blow me [12:33] martian67 (i=lol3izer@about/linux/regular/martian67) left irc: Connection timed out [12:33] ... [12:33] nachox: well, thought you stated something different [12:33] nachos! [12:33] :D [12:33] sticks & stones [12:34] what exactly is this 'PAM'? [12:35] some piece of crap debianized authentican thing [12:35] P(something) Authentication Module - used to be able to login once and have authorizations passed to new programs [12:35] Im going to be surprised if the debian net install works [12:35] Pluggable [12:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:36] alienBOB: thanks - haven't used the full name in so long forgot about it :) [12:36] I am surprised at your 'out of memory' errors with 96MB RAM btw.. it should have no problems with that [12:36] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:37] hi guys, i have a zd1211 usb wireless card that slackware doesn't seem to see, yet i hear its been in the kernel since 2.6.18. ... is there a special process i need to get the firmware loaded in slack? [12:37] 96M sounds like it's aggregating all memory (like video card), not just useable ram [12:37] martian67 (i=lol3izer@about/linux/regular/martian67) joined ##slackware. [12:38] hi Dominian! how is everything? how did you start this new year? [12:38] alisonken1, that is kerberos, not pam :P [12:38] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [12:39] ah. [12:41] nachox: been a while since I did either, have to reread on both of them :) [12:41] anyone using the intel wireless cards 5100, 5300, or 5350 [12:41] ? [12:43] dorayakikun (n=chotib@114.58.68.81) left ##slackware. [12:43] not me. [12:44] they seem to be supported by the linux kernel but i was wondering if anyone happens to be using any of them with slackware (i.e. more of a "how well does it work" question) [12:47] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [12:47] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] nick4 (n=alek@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [12:48] TwinReverb, aren't those the cards that have their own driver modules in the slack repo? [12:48] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:48] not sure [12:48] hold on [12:48] TwinReverb, i seem to remember blacklisting them in slackpkg [12:49] i seem to see a lot of google hits on the latest xorg with newer nvidia drivers - anyone having problems with this stuff on slack 12.2? [12:50] nope, nvidia is running fine here [12:50] Here as well [12:51] the 2.6.28 kernel did get some changes in how it handles video memory so xorg, ati & nvidia & etc.. will have to update drivers [12:51] some new intel crap iirc [12:52] Yes the GEM memory manager for X.Org [12:53] it's for DRI related stuff, right? [12:53] <_chess_> http://lwn.net/Articles/283798/ [12:54] hiptobecubic, brb [12:54] <_chess_> ^ keith packard on GEM [12:54] where I could find a slackware package for intend ? [12:54] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [12:54] thx Pig_Pen. [12:55] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009128148.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] glxgears, [12:55] runs 60% faster :D [12:55] the www.slackware.com/packages/ is a joke only a few dozens of programs [12:55] sibayu (n=sibayu@118.137.13.213) joined ##slackware. [12:56] paul424: why make that comment in here? trolling? [12:56] paul424, uh, you're silly [12:56] <_chess_> as far as I can see slackware.com/packages lists exactly zero packages; instead it has a link to packages.slackware.it [12:57] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4m4n@83.218.195.61) joined ##slackware. [12:57] if there is something i want that is not included in slackware i just grab the source and build it then make my own package, i dont go crying about it on irc [12:58] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) left irc: "BitchX: the NEW form of birth control!" [12:58] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] daidoji (n=daidoji@71-12-89-107.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] hi, I have slack12.2, and i am trying to install gCompris. when I ./configure, the error I get is pysqlite2 is missing. Can I use the slackbuilds package that was made for slack 12.1? [13:00] <_chess_> most likely yes [13:00] endocet (i=danny@99.21.35.107) left irc: "[BX] BitchX is as BitchX does" [13:00] KillerV (n=killerv@bhe201062136035.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:00] <_chess_> I think I have it on my 12.2 system as well [13:00] wasn't it removed because it's included in 12.2's python now? [13:01] <_chess_> hwiesinger: yes, but I actually think that is incorrect [13:01] <_chess_> I pysqlite has different bindings, but have not had a chance to look into it further [13:01] ok [13:01] i installed python during the 12.2 installation. [13:02] <_chess_> I think, is what I meant to type [13:02] ./confiugure of gCompris sees python. [13:02] you need to resolve that dependency, (pysqlite2) [13:02] yes , i need to. [13:02] i will try with the 12.1 slackbuilds first. [13:02] <_chess_> blkdg: you can use the one for 12.1. see if that solves the issue. [13:02] do it before building gCompris [13:04] is there a pure console font that will allow me to read UTF8 ? [13:05] if i install slack 12.2 over an existing linux distro and have a separate home partition, should i choose to mount that during the slackware install, or after the fact (i am worried about it formatting the partition) [13:05] guitarman4, it doesnt do partitioning on its own [13:05] yes, you need to do it with fdisk or cfdisk [13:06] slackytude - ok, so i will need to do that after the fact [13:06] guitarman4, tell the installer to mount that partition as /home and it will be there [13:06] <_chess_> the installer can still format though [13:06] or add it to your fstab later [13:06] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-147-154-18.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:06] guitarman4: It will ask before reformatting, you just choose not to format it. [13:06] <_chess_> just don't format your /home [13:06] guitarman4, you don't have to mount it, but in my experience, if you tell it, /home usually doesn't get hurt in the process [13:06] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] and like _chess_ said, don't format /home lol [13:06] but you should back up your information first regardless [13:07] :) thx guys.. backup always. :) [13:07] guitarman4: You can mount it as /home and then the next thing it asks is if you want to format it. Just chose no. [13:08] if you have the ability to totally repartition (if you have a way to do a complete backup of /home) i would recommend repartitioning in the smartest method you can [13:08] KillerV (n=killerv@bhe201062136035.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "DSOrganize IRC" [13:08] guitarman4: There will be an option for "Do not format" or something to that effect. [13:08] thx guys - looking forward to getting back to slack. there's just 1 more gotcha i want worked out before i put in disk 1... the zd1211 wireless firmware - in the past that never loaded for me. do i need to do anything special? [13:08] "My heavens,no!" and "totally format it, dude" [13:09] i plugged it in after install on a slack 12.1 box and it never really did anything with it... i saw slackbuild seems to just extract the firmware to /lib/firmware/zd1211 [13:09] is that all thats needed or is there more to it [13:09] aliase (n=aliase@69-196-140-237.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:09] what card is that? [13:10] zydas usb wireless. zd1211 firmware works on other distros, but it loads it all for you. [13:10] ZyDAS WLA-54L WiFi [13:11] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) joined ##slackware. [13:11] I had a zd1211rw NIC, worked fine. [13:11] rob0 usb? [13:11] USB [13:11] and was it plugged in on install or after the fact of install u plugged in? [13:12] um, I don't remember. I do remember it needed firmware, but with that, it worked fine. [13:13] rob0 = i guess my q is - how do u load firmware- extract the tar to /lib/firmware/zd1211 and reboot? does that load it [13:14] reboot?!? Ugh! [13:14] or do u need to somehow load it as a module or something [13:14] jayscribbs (n=josh@216.236.169.44) joined ##slackware. [13:14] ok, telinit 1? [13:14] haha sorry dude. i'm trying. [13:14] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] "modprobe -v zd1211rw" [13:14] thx rob0 thats what i wondered. :) i appreciate that very much thats the missing link for me. [13:15] but that fails if the firmware isn't where it needs to be, in /lib [13:16] I guess you got that part figured out [13:16] yes thx muchly rob0! [13:16] i was missing that last command. [13:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [13:16] with wicd in 12.2 by default, wireless will be a snap [13:18] wicd is nice [13:18] it's alright [13:18] I've personally had better results with networkmanager in the past [13:19] not on slackware, though [13:19] uhvo: but oh sooooo many gnome dependencies [13:19] networkmanager is crap, imho [13:19] i had good results with nm as well [13:20] wicd fail auth sometimes [13:20] s/fail/fails [13:21] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) joined ##slackware. [13:21] networkmanager does pretty good most of the time, but it tends to get out of hand sometimes. [13:22] I don't like it either. It gets in the way. [13:22] I think if you are in a very gnome based environment (Ubuntu say), networkmanager works quite well [13:22] excuse me why most people does not advice to install the program from raw sources ? [13:22] I have more trouble with dhcpd more with NM than with wicd but either works fine for me [13:23] I tried it on dropline for a bit with no major issues [13:23] works ok [13:23] me mate, who used to be on archlinux, was trying out distros. suse, ubuntu. his networkmanager was failing all the time [13:24] wicd is fairly similar. it is a python frontend, but it has waaaaay less overhead. [13:24] there is a python based app for wifi named wifi-radar it is a bit of a hog on resources to run last time i tried it but it did work [13:24] hmmm [13:24] pthreat, did you ever get your X configuration working? [13:24] I said to him, try slack, but he didnt want to. [13:24] Paul, cleaner management of the system to use Slackbuilds and make installable/removable packages. [13:24] paul424, [13:25] there is an app to track when you make && make install that adds the data to pkgtool [13:25] mrselfpwn: no, everything is fucked up i believe is because of fs inconsistency [13:25] hmm [13:25] mrselfpwn: im setting a separate server right now [13:25] should be in /extra [13:25] that's a bummer man [13:26] That was checkinstall, and is there no more. [13:26] sibayu (n=sibayu@118.137.13.213) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] slacktrack [13:26] mrselfpwn: heh it is, but is not more of a bummer than slackware 12.2 not booting on my old CPU [13:26] what is the problem there? [13:27] s/not/no/ [13:27] mrselfpwn: wont boot, memory exhausted [13:27] i think not works [13:27] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:27] jayscribbs: ok thanks [13:27] because you had "it" as the subject [13:28] i digress though. ;) [13:28] slacktrack is now in slackware/a [13:28] How much ram does it have? [13:28] 92 [13:28] mindeq (i=qq@client-87-247-116-48.inturbo.lt) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [13:28] I see [13:29] also, how far does it get into the boot? [13:29] rob0: slacktrack's in extra [13:29] it just panics when uncompressing initrd.img [13:29] mrselfpwn: im going to try the debian net install [13:30] Pthreat, I had to do something similar with another machine. [13:30] or an older version of slack? [13:30] thanks again. [13:30] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [13:30] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:30] guitarman4: Ok ill give you a shell and you will upgrade all of my packages [13:30] I had to net install suse. [13:30] pthreat - hahah maybe not [13:31] guitarman4: maybe not eh ? ;) [13:31] Action: rob0 was thinking of slackpkg, in slackware/ap [13:31] apt-get update [13:31] lalala [13:31] slackpkg update [13:31] slackytude: broke my WHOLE system last time i did that [13:31] heh [13:32] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:32] slackytude: i bet you didnt even do it ;) [13:32] I dont do it for version jumps, no [13:32] I use slackpkg and have had no issues what so ever. [13:32] that would be stupid [13:33] slackytude: always wondered how debian can do that [13:33] Debian boots [13:34] i just booted with the netinstall cd [13:34] hah [13:34] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:35] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-16.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:35] any boxee alpha testers in here? [13:35] how come slackware has come to be this bad! I used to love this distribution, and after all that I've fought for not using debian i have to [13:35] haha [13:35] Al-Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) joined ##slackware. [13:36] funny [13:36] pthreat: it is not slackware's fault you are wanting to use some ancient piece of crap k6 [13:36] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:36] Thanks oh mighty Patrick stupid Volkerding for taking away 2.4 kernel series [13:36] haha [13:36] use slackware 11 if you want a 2.4.xx kernel [13:37] Pig_Pen: Ok then you will update alll of my packs including glibc [13:37] nope [13:37] Pig_Pen: do we have a deal ? [13:37] Pig_Pen: well Fuck You then [13:37] pthreat: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [13:37] pthreat: as a test, boot slackware 11.0 cd, then switch cd's to install 12.2 [13:37] blah [13:37] pthreat, you can go fuck yourself asshole [13:37] Pig_Pen: shh [13:37] darkstar and slacky maintain slack 11 repositories [13:37] calm down kids [13:38] Boys, please cool down, let the troll be evicted, not yourself. [13:38] it really is just a click-compile-crash away from perfection [13:39] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] rob0: precisely [13:39] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:39] rob0: Please understand that those of us who help out in forums for free software support have lives, jobs, obligations [13:40] well, I used to have a live before I came here [13:40] python_user (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4cf7bdcf3382db2b) joined ##slackware. [13:40] slackytude: lies! [13:40] lol ^-^ [13:40] :) [13:40] rob0: I do! And slackware made me waste my time just because of some hippie 2.6 bloated to hell kernel :D [13:40] i will be glad to go back to work monday :D [13:40] So when an abusive idiot demands that we login to his system and do his admin work, we tell him to get lost. [13:41] its uni for me tomorrow at 11 :( [13:41] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:41] anyways [13:41] pthreat (n=ctd@host216.201-253-16.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "leaving" [13:41] slackytude: the injustice .. how dare they let you get up in the middle of the night ;) [13:41] yay [13:41] wth [13:41] BP{k}, yah, you can still taste the toothpast [13:41] who's asking us to login to thtier system and do their work for them? [13:41] pthreat was [13:42] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:42] ha! [13:42] right [13:42] You couldn't afford me buddy. [13:42] heh [13:42] 110/hr with one hour minimum [13:42] for slackware work or priest work? [13:42] so I'm still confused. Same problem "Wrote partition table, but re- read table failed. Reboot to update table" when I tried to write the partition. I created it as primary and bootable, even tried logical and bootable, but nothing :( [13:42] slackytude: both [13:42] or do you combne them? [13:42] heh [13:42] heh [13:42] He definitely needed both. [13:42] hes got some ancient k6 cpu that was crap when it was new and has to be worse now [13:42] Kircey (n=micheal@pool-71-121-71-70.eriepa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] python_user: turn of virus protection in the bios [13:43] python_user, some bios do a write protect of MBR [13:43] heh, yeah [13:43] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:43] although I havent seen that in some time [13:43] Pig_Pen: too bad he was an arse, because I might have been interested in helping debug that. [13:43] cool ok, I'll try that [13:44] yeah, he does not have the patience and attitude to be a slacker [13:44] I bet an ancient k6 can run Slack 12.2. [13:44] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [13:44] indeed [13:45] python_user (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4cf7bdcf3382db2b) left irc: Client Quit [13:45] maybe [13:45] rob0: no bet. [13:45] hey guys is it possible to addsay the xffs filesstem [13:45] xfs should be no prob [13:45] Dominian: 3hr minimum works better :) [13:45] BP{k}, not even with a custom kernel? [13:46] i know slackware 11 will, i bought a used pc for 15 bucks a few months ago and put 11 on it, (dual boot with win98) then gave it to my niece (grade school girl) so she can do homework and print [13:46] rob0: Don't get me wrong, the only reason I am not making a bet, is that usually don't bet unless I am certain I win. ;) [13:46] iow, I think it should be possible to run slackware 12.2 on a k6. [13:46] You sound like a casino owner. [13:47] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [13:47] that pc had a k6 in it [13:47] well see i ned the fs so that i can read my xbox 360 games and back them up [13:47] he probably was not choosing the right kernel during boot [13:47] BP{k}: 12.1 runs on a k6 - but you have to have a slimmed kernel to boot, so huge is a problem with it [13:47] isnt there a low-mem kernel still? [13:47] holy crap [13:47] There are not as many choices as there once were. [13:48] weather forecast for tuesday - 12 C [13:48] O_o [13:48] i just use the default hugesmp.s or somethiing like that [13:48] slackytude: where in germany is that? :) [13:48] it is almost 50F here, supposed to be in the low to mid 70s F tomarrow [13:48] Action: alisonken1home wonders if noapic noacpi was added to boot hugesmp.s on older hardware to see if that worked [13:49] i bet that could have done it [13:49] BP{k}, well its for tuesday night. day temp is -3 C but still, thats damn cold [13:49] ok guys how can i add the xfs fs to my linux? [13:49] BP{k}, in the south actually [13:49] just have to get a k6 in front of you to see what 12.2 would do on it [13:50] I have one that might still work [13:50] slackytude: yeah. [13:50] xfs as in "xfs filesystem"? should be available as an install format option [13:50] but, not worth the bother of digging it out right now [13:50] ok cool ill rerun the setup util then [13:50] Yeah, I'm allergic to questions which require more questions to try to answer. [13:50] Kircey, no need for that [13:50] I've got an older pentium (not sure which one - it's at the old office) running 12.1, but I used my desktop to install to the disk that was then moved back into the older system [13:51] slackytude: hows that? [13:51] Action: rob0 sneezes all over ##slackware [13:51] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [13:51] eeeeewwww - rob0 snot spread [13:51] Yikes, a lotta snot. [13:51] Kircey, you do a partition and a mk.xfs, done [13:51] at least it doesn't require a new kbd/mouse replacement :) [13:52] mkfs.xfs [13:52] well see i need linux to be able to read a xfs dvd [13:52] just make sure you're not _running_ from the disk you're trying to reformat :) [13:52] can you actually burn a dvd in xfs? :S [13:52] TwinReverb, ah, right [13:52] It is the mucus that binds us. ;) [13:52] xfs dvd? [13:52] Action: rob0 wipes nose [13:53] Kircey, heh, you mean a Xbox CD, dont you? [13:53] 360 games [13:53] heh [13:53] eh yes sir [13:53] good luck with tha [13:53] how come? [13:53] ah .... ahhh .... ahhh ... [13:53] my k3b won't burn cds [13:53] AH CHOO [13:53] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Action: alisonken1home says bless you after cleaning up [13:53] Nick change: TwinReverb -> Tw1nR3v3rb [13:53] sorry guys, did it again ... [13:54] please cover your mouth when you sneeze [13:54] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:54] Action: Tw1nR3v3rb cleans off the bits of data [13:54] Nick change: Tw1nR3v3rb -> TwinReverb [13:54] better yet - sneeze on the dog - he doens't mind as much [13:54] all i need to do it back them up without being able to read the xfs i cant do a complete back up b/c i cant read the adio off the dis [13:54] Action: TwinReverb would laugh if the dog bit you [13:54] can someone help me figure out why k3b won't burn CDs? [13:54] k3b works for me - what kind of cd are you trying to burn? [13:55] data [13:55] and which system are you trying to burn from [13:55] 12.1, 12.2, 8.0, ... ? [13:55] 12.2 [13:55] k3b's just a frontend to mkisofs/cdrecord, right? Do those work? [13:55] i am not sure, hold on [13:55] cdrtools is the package [13:55] yea its ajust a front end [13:55] Kircey, its not xfs, its XDVDFS [13:56] Kircey, afaik, there is no way to read/write from them. you might get lucky and be able to do a bit copy with dd, but Idoubt even that works [13:56] yea shit thts right [13:56] python_user (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d55f5b003682d4e7) joined ##slackware. [13:56] TwinReverb: did you run the k3b setup before trying to burn? one of the things it does is reset perms on the programs so they have direct access to the hardware [13:56] ahh but there is [13:57] a kreon drive will get rid of the encryption and let you do a full back up [13:57] but i dont wanna buy one lol [13:57] ill try the dd and see [13:57] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) joined ##slackware. [13:58] cdrecord: Drive does not support SAO recording. [13:58] cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive. [13:58] and yes i ran k3b setup [13:58] did it work on 12.1? [13:59] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:00] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:01] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] Ok. I format my USB stick using mkdosfs but when I try to mount it I get the "unable to read superblock" message so I went to a Windows machine to format the stick, now I can mount it. Is there any way to know who the Windows machine format the stick (the params of the mkdosfs command)? [14:04] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.51.218) joined ##slackware. [14:04] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [14:05] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: "Leaving" [14:06] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:08] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009128148.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:10] gotta love people that ask a question, but don't wait for the answer [14:11] alisonken1home, it worked on 12.1 [14:11] brb [14:12] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) joined ##slackware. [14:13] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [14:15] alisonken1home, nows your chance [14:16] slackytude: except I don't have 12.2 installed yet :) [14:17] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:17] alisonken1home, me neither :) [14:18] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [14:19] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [14:20] 12.2 is very painless. [14:20] =) [14:21] yo Camarade_Tux [14:21] how was your holyday [14:21] it's a holy day? [14:21] hey slackytude :) [14:22] nice, but now I have work for school ;p [14:22] yeah, same for me. tomorrow at 11 [14:22] (well, not engineering schoolà [14:22] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.36.87) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] tomorrow ? [14:22] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) joined ##slackware. [14:22] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:23] yeah, preparing stuff, learning for tests [14:23] you mean you start work or go back to university ? [14:23] ah, ok ;p [14:23] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.25.44) joined ##slackware. [14:23] still have that ugly math problem I need to tackle, real soon now [14:23] my swap and ram usage is at 100% & 95%.. granted i haven't shut this system down in over two months [14:24] Camarade_Tux, people were asking for bootcharts from your setup [14:24] anything i can do to free up that memory? [14:24] restart X ? [14:24] Hi, I am using slack 12.2, and I am trying to install gCompris. My first hurdle was installing pysqlite2, which I did using the slackbuilds script for slack 12.1. now, the ./configure for gCompris works, but my next error occurs in 'make' -> texi2html: Command not found [14:25] I googled texi2html, and it looks like a Latex tool. [14:25] am I correct? [14:25] texi2html was in slack 12.1 [14:25] should be in 12.2 too [14:25] slackytude, as soon as I reboot ;) [14:26] yes, its latex stuff [14:26] Camarade_Tux, cool :D [14:26] heh, im such a noob.. i ran ps aux.. and conky was using 55.5% of memory [14:26] I didn't install any of the Latex stuff during the installation of 12.2, and all I can find is: texi2dvi and a few other ones installed in 12.2 [14:27] do I have to install all of Latex? [14:27] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [14:27] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:27] blkdg, you could do a slackpkg searcg texi3html [14:27] blkdg, you could do a slackpkg search texi2html [14:28] new version ? [14:28] :p [14:28] blkdg, If you need them [14:28] i looked in the slackware package broser fort texi2html and it came up with nothing. [14:29] jayscribbs (n=josh@216.236.169.44) left ##slackware. [14:29] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.51.218) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:29] blkdg, http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.2&t=2&q=texi2html [14:29] blkdg, you fail [14:29] clearly. [14:29] how did you do that ? [14:30] version 12.2 filename search [14:30] or just do a slackpkg search >-< [14:30] http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.2&t=1&q=texi2html [14:30] holdmypocket: I've been running my system for longer than 2 months, but my ram/swap is nowhere _near_ that usage - what are you running to use that many resources? (and I only have 512M ram on my system) [14:30] blkdg, thats package search [14:31] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:31] ? [14:31] blkdg, look at my link, look closely at what Im searching for [14:31] right, file name! cool. [14:31] slackware 12.2 *FILE NAME* texi2html [14:31] alisonken1home: i found that conky was utilizing 55% of my ram [14:31] :) [14:31] thanks [14:31] :P [14:32] np [14:32] alisonken1home: after killing that process, its back to normal [14:32] conky is weired sometimes [14:32] knew it had to be something like that [14:32] frogor, are you still here? [14:33] sorry, wrong channel :p [14:34] Kircey (n=micheal@pool-71-121-71-70.eriepa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [14:35] slackytude: as this downlads, does the file feature find specific files within a slackware package? like if i needed to find 'ls' i need to use the file feature, not the package freature? [14:35] blkdg, correct [14:35] or use slackpkg search [14:37] thanks again. [14:37] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [14:37] no sweat [14:37] Action: slackytude wonders why so many get confused by the options on slackware PB [14:38] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:40] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.198.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:41] anyone else noticed that gutenprint always takes a long time when installing 12.2? [14:43] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [14:43] <_chess_> yes, I think that was mentioned on LQ. So does bind (at least for me). [14:44] ktabic, yeah, especially on an eee with an SSD disk ;) [14:45] <_chess_> ktabic: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/is-anybody-else-having-this-problem-with-the-slackware-installer-689973/ [14:46] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [14:46] aliase (n=aliase@69-196-140-237.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [14:47] this is the fourth system I've installed 12.2 on, so I know it's fine, it's just that this one is only a 800Mhz, so very noticeable (didn't notice it at all on the 3Ghz dual-core ;)) [14:49] I thought it was because the ssd was slow but it's true the eee's cpu is not that powerful either [14:49] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Action: ktabic tries to recall the eee speed, 1Ghz isn't it? [14:51] that one was an atom at 1.6GHz, an eee 1000* [14:51] (but not mine) [14:52] ah :) mine got nabbed by my niece who had more need of it than me [14:52] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:53] i run eeebuntu on mine:) [14:53] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:54] sahko, aaaarrrggghhhhhh ! [14:54] haha [14:54] Thurin1 (n=Thurin1@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:54] exactly, but i only got it about a week ago. buntu is already getting on my nerves [14:55] heh [14:55] but putting slackware on it sounds a bit of overkill [14:55] the xandros thing is probably worst : you can't even get a terminal afaik [14:55] sahko, no ;) [14:55] I passed --delete and --force flags to rsync yet it still says "can't remove non-empty directory" [14:56] i cant invest time into building kernels etc to it. i want it to work out of the box [14:56] python_user (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d55f5b003682d4e7) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [14:57] Action: Camarade_Tux feels like rebooting to get that bootchart graph ;) [14:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [15:00] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Connection timed out [15:00] Camarade_Tux: Ah, nice. I'm planning on doing that, too :) [15:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:02] (no, I did not rebooted yet ;) ) [15:02] heh [15:03] just ^W ;) [15:03] my bootchart graph never happened. not sure why [15:03] inchworm (n=msimmons@about/essy/GimmeGrubs/inchworm) left ##slackware. [15:04] you forgot to boot on the init=/sbin/bootchard entry ? [15:04] really brb this time [15:04] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:06] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:06] =) [15:07] Camarade_Tux, how'd it go? [15:07] grrr, I hate how nvidia.ko gives me a terribly high I/O peak (max at 37MB/s instead of 3MB/s) [15:07] hiptobecubic, I'll make a new one just after I remove nvidia.ko [15:08] Camarade_Tux, will you look at this real quick and tell me why it doesn' make a bootchart? http://rafb.net/p/DZyMhv33.html [15:09] hiptobecubic, I'm not using lilo anymore but you could try addappend instead of append [15:09] Camarade_Tux, i'll try it. Why no lilo? [15:10] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [15:11] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] well, first because it did not install properly (now that grub is installed I can install lilo but before I couldn't...) and then because it's more practical especially when you install a new kernel everyday and want to edit your config at the boot (maybe you can with lilo but I don't know) [15:13] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0EC38.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] with nvidia.ko on the system : http://xs435.xs.to/xs435/09015/bootchart-2009-01-02_22_05_05816.png [15:14] Camarade_Tux, this laptop started with ubuntu, so i left grub. But lilo is on the homeserver. They seem pretty comparable to me, except that grub allows longer names and lilo can have a picture of tux while booting. [15:15] Which, admittedly, i kind of like. [15:15] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [15:15] (I really hate the nvidia driver but hopefully, nouveau is getting suspend, power saving, and 3D for my card) [15:15] hiptobecubic, I have two penguins at the boot ;) [15:15] and a 16:10 resolution in console [15:17] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.198.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:17] very nice. [15:17] Camarade_Tux, with grub? [15:18] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [15:18] hiptobecubic, but grub doesn't help much [15:19] hiptobecubic, in your lilo.conf you should use the 'compact' directive [15:19] it will cut your boot time by several seconds [15:20] Action: hiptobecubic googles "compact lilo" [15:20] use man ;) [15:20] rebooting, brb [15:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:20] bzyk (i=bzyk@dys116.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "leaving" [15:21] dios2 (i=test@88.236.180.204) left irc: [15:23] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:25] he took much longer, I rebooted four times [15:25] =) [15:26] lets see it then :) [15:26] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [15:26] Camarade_Tux, where in france are you? [15:27] hiptobecubic, currently in Paris, where my family live, but I study in Lyon [15:27] Camarade_Tux, ready for the six nations rugby? not long to go. [15:27] the bootchart : http://xs135.xs.to/xs135/09015/bootchart-2009-01-02_22_23_49239.png [15:27] Camarade_Tux, nice. What do you study? [15:28] (I couldn't see that disk load before) [15:28] Camarade_Tux, nice :) [15:28] what do you load? [15:28] hiptobecubic, engineering in physics/electronics/CS (not that much CS but a bit) [15:28] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:29] slackytude, thanks, that's to console so not much, but anyway, in X I just launch openbox and conky [15:29] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.8.86) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:29] Camarade_Tux, and daemons? [15:29] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:29] jonsmith1982, we'll smash every other team ;) [15:29] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [15:30] slackytude, daemons : nothing :) [15:30] cept for maybe england, wales and ireland. [15:30] (that's only a laptop) [15:30] ah, that explains a lot [15:30] jonsmith1982, we'll see ;) [15:30] slackytude, I have use for none, at least on that machine [15:33] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:34] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) joined ##slackware. [15:34] i'm still not getting /var/log/bootchart.tgz. [15:34] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] are you sure you followed the instructions correctly? [15:36] well since it doesn't work. no. [15:36] Camarade_Tux, http://slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=1 :P [15:38] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:38] how cold is it for you ? in Paris it's about -2°C to -6°C, it took more than 20 hours to bring our house to more than 16°C ! [15:39] 20 hours! wow, you should think about getting a better heating system. [15:40] -2 c isn't that coild. [15:40] 0 C, light snow [15:41] hiptobecubic, just a thought... did you run lilo after updating lilo.conf? [15:41] it's usually more than enough but every wall was terribly cold and that's what took so much time [15:41] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [15:41] It's 25C gere [15:41] hi, i am trying to install gCompris, and during 'make' i get the following error: make[3]: texi2html: Command not found. so with the assistance of some people here I installedtetex-doc-3.0-i486-5 and tetex-3.0-i486-5 which came up in the slackpackage search for texi2html. I am still getting that error in the ./make [15:41] here* [15:41] hiptobecubic, O_o [15:41] jonsmith1982, of course not. I'm used to grub. brb :D [15:41] and -2°C is absolutely unusual in Paris ;) [15:43] anyideas? [15:43] slackytude, good old southern florida :) [15:43] blkdg, could you pastebin the error again ? I've not seen it [15:43] hiptobecubic, sounds nice ^-^ [15:43] slackytude, but they don't have snow ;) [15:44] Camarade_Tux, sound nice ^-^ [15:44] Camarade_Tux, i know! isn't it great? [15:44] snow aint bad. just sucks that it has to be cold for it to snow [15:44] hiptobecubic, how can you live without ski ? ='( [15:44] tuesday -3 to -7 C [15:45] Camarade_Tux, we do ski :) [15:45] hiptobecubic, but how long does it take you to get there ? [15:45] To the beach? Minutes. [15:45] =P [15:45] here it is Camarade_Tux http://pastebin.com/d30698134 [15:45] :D [15:46] hiptobecubic, you just can't end 1km below the altitude at which you started skiing though :p [15:46] daidoji (n=daidoji@71-12-89-107.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:47] blkdg, are you using a shell you had started before installing the package ? [15:47] probably [15:47] Camarade_Tux, true. But there's much lower risk of death by avalanche [15:47] i will start a new shell [15:47] run a new one : *tex has a different $PATH and it is set with files from /etc/profile [15:47] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:48] should a 16M attachment work for mail? [15:48] well i got a bootchart... but no .png [15:48] slackytude, probably not [15:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] hiptobecubic, how do you try to render it ? [15:48] blkdg: using an old version of Slackware? [15:49] Camarade_Tux, the "auto-render" option in /etc/bootchartd.conf [15:49] alienBOB: 12.2 [15:50] the only thing 'old' is the version of pysqlite2 which i installed using the slack 12.1 slackbuilds script [15:50] Strange, I have texi2html in my path [15:51] # which texi2html [15:51] /usr/share/texmf/bin/texi2html [15:51] when I installed 12.2 I told it not to install any Latex stuff. [15:51] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] should I select huge.s or hugesmp for my pentium 3 @ 600mhz machine? [15:51] TeTeX is Linux' Latex ? [15:51] that's what I hoped would be fixed by installing tetex-doc-3.0-i486-5 and tetex-3.0-i486-5 [15:51] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-148.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] hiptobecubic, while I'm checking, you can send me your .tgz and I'll render it for you [15:52] the ./configure in the new shell ended. here comes the make [15:52] blkdg, why not the python texi2html too? [15:52] blkdg: you need to logout and login again to see the effect [15:53] slackytude: i do have python installed. [15:53] would that not have texi2html there also? [15:54] Camarade_Tux, sure, but it'd be nice to render it locally :D http://john.bitsurge.net/upload/bootchart.tgz [15:54] blkdg, yeah, you are right, its in python [15:54] hiptobecubic, do you have java installed ? and is there a bootchart.jar file somewhere (iirc it needs to have the jdk available if you got the bootchart sources) ? [15:55] slackytude: when slackpackages showed me this /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/scripts/texi2html.py when i searched for texi2html, i assumed it would have been installed because that's part of the python installation. that's why i only i installed tetex-doc-3.0-i486-5 and tetex-3.0-i486-5 [15:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:55] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0EC38.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [15:55] blkdg, you assumed correctly, I was mistaken [15:55] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:56] hiptobecubic, 50s ! =P [15:56] any kvirc users present? [15:56] alienBOB: i'm logged into X as a user, and i have logged in and out of my root account, and i am still getting that error during the make. http://pastebin.com/d30698134 [15:57] blkdg, is it in your path? [15:57] blkdg, "echo $PATH" [15:57] Camarade_Tux, i have a bootchart.jar [15:58] usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin [15:58] i looked in usr/share/texmf/bin/texi2html where you said it would be and it's there. [15:58] its not in your path [15:59] cool [15:59] texi2html: /usr/share/texi2html [15:59] run 'java -jar [...]/bootchart.jar' [15:59] panda (n=gabriele@78.13.78.59) left irc: "Sto andando via" [15:59] ln -s /usr/share/texmf/bin/texi2html /usr/bin [15:59] ok, i will make the link. [16:00] blkdg, 'ls /etc/profile.d/tetex.sh -oh' [16:00] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 118 2000-04-24 15:46 /etc/profile.d/tetex.sh [16:00] but that's after i followed Pig_Pen [16:01] suggestion. [16:01] blkdg, try the make again [16:01] ok. [16:01] Camarade_Tux, i take it i need to put bootchart.jar somewhere in my path or something? [16:02] YEAH! [16:02] blkdg, when you loged into your root account,did you make it a login shell, so it parses profile.d? [16:02] little kids games here we come! [16:02] I assume you didnt [16:03] pardon? [16:03] hiptobecubic, just give the full path, as for auto-rendering, I don't know what it uses 'the bootchart package' is a bit vague so I prefer not to rely on it [16:03] Camarade_Tux, fair enough. [16:03] blkdg, nvm, just speculating why the profile.d entry didnt work for you [16:03] ok. [16:03] Camarade_Tux, isn't there a JAVAPATH or something? [16:03] blkdg, when you reboot all your problem will have vanished [16:03] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-49-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:03] ok. [16:03] heh, yeah [16:04] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:04] hiptobecubic, java is not in a standard PATH, the path is set with /etc/profile.d/jre.(c)sh so you'll need to reboot/use a login shell ;p [16:04] ^-^ [16:04] just like blkdg's :p [16:05] serendipity? [16:05] huh? [16:06] Camarade_Tux, alright thanks. [16:06] <3 opera [16:07] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:07] hiptobecubic, you can speed your boot by editing /etc/rc.d/rc.M and disabling the update-mime-database and ldconfig stuff, don't forget to check the comments [16:08] anybody know what the a.out binary is? [16:08] mernillio (n=chatzill@81-236-11-170-no19.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] limac, O_o [16:08] default output of gcc? [16:09] limac, default name for a binary ? or old executable format for linux [16:09] ok, that sort of satifies it I guess. [16:09] hi all, i dont know, but "mernil" has been banned for a long time. Please give hime a second chanse. [16:10] and i cant spell it propperly even :-P [16:10] you are talking to the wrong crowd [16:10] What's a mernil? Sounds like sealife. [16:11] Serendipity is the effect by which one accidentally discovers something fortunate, especially while looking for something else entirely (wikipedia) [16:11] thanks guys! [16:11] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:11] the make install just finished [16:11] and it works! [16:12] have a good new years. [16:12] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [16:12] Im really the most exaktijng people ijnt theh sedeixh open sourre comunitay .. thing is.. im always drunk.. :_P [16:12] mernillio: see the guidelines in /topic, /msg the op who banned you. [16:13] serosis of the liver [16:13] rob0: i see then and i respekt them. [16:13] (just a suggestion to try to help) [16:14] cirrhosis [16:14] Sir Osis, the alcoholic knight [16:15] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [16:18] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.244.114) left irc: "Leaving" [16:18] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-16.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [16:18] mernillio (n=chatzill@81-236-11-170-no19.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]" [16:19] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-16.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:20] timepilot (n=timepilo@c-98-216-175-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: [16:21] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201009137107.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:22] happy new year, all... %-/ [16:22] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [16:24] Tr4sH (n=Tr4sH@189.71.145.214) joined ##slackware. [16:25] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-49-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [16:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:33] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009128148.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:33] these bootchart docs suck serious ass. [16:33] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left irc: "Leaving." [16:39] you'll soon know more than the docs ;) [16:40] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201009137107.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:41] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:41] Camarade_Tux, for example. This auto-renderer nonsense, where is it looking? Where does it log errors. What the hell is going on? lol [16:46] I forgot about auto-render the moment I read "*distribution* package", I understood it as 'it won't work if you compiled from source' [16:47] Camarade_Tux, I mean... sure that's what it seems like. But that's pretty obnoxious. [16:49] its java [16:50] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn198.78-99-9.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [16:51] allf (i=1000@151.82.43.114) joined ##slackware. [16:52] slackytude, right. go on...? [16:52] and iirc they don't even provide the .jar in their source >< [16:53] bootchart.jar you mean? no you have to build it with ant [16:53] allf (i=1000@151.82.43.114) left irc: Client Quit [16:54] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:55] ... which I couldn't install [16:56] so I ended getting another's distro package to have the .jar [16:58] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:59] Camarade_Tux, ah. Well i build the .jar alright. but i just wrote my own script to render the png... which has to be run manually i guess since bootchart.tgz isn't written until after rc.local right? [16:59] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [17:00] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@c75-110-174-178.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host39-236-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Funny, now that it works.... i really don't know how to read it anyway :D [17:01] hiptobecubic, don't know, bootchart.tgz is written well after my system has booted so I guess there's rather a fixed delay [17:01] Tr4sH (n=Tr4sH@189.71.145.214) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] http://john.bitsurge.net/upload/bootchart-2009-01-02%2017:00:26-05:00.png [17:01] hiptobecubic, take a few seconds and you'll get it ;) [17:01] and /me has (temporarily) chmod -x rc.local [17:02] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] I see what thing represent, i'm just not positive how to improve them. [17:02] hiptobecubic, well, as I told you : [17:02] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-148.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] hiptobecubic, you can speed your boot by editing /etc/rc.d/rc.M and disabling the update-mime-database and ldconfig stuff, don't forget to check the comments [17:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg0ma-qKHrM kde-4.2 beta spinning cube thingy [17:03] Camarade_Tux, did that. [17:03] Pig_Pen, why use that over compiz? [17:04] hiptobecubic, oh, right, I thought it was the same ;) [17:04] i dont use either [17:05] Today is the first day of the rest of your lossage. [17:06] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] fridim (n=fridim@dedie.gcolpart.com) left ##slackware. [17:06] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [17:07] fridim_ (n=fridim@gar13-5-88-161-23-155.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:11] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:12] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:15] hiptobecubic, you should check why there's a 3s sleep at the end of rc.S [17:15] Camarade_Tux: I _think_ it's for ensuring hardware settling before going multiuser, but that would be a WAG [17:16] also, I see transmission-da only starts when wget+gzip ends (or so it seems), is it required ? and again, why does it sleep at the end of rc.M [17:16] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Yeah it has to be after wget, it' [17:16] ok - the sleep 3 I see is just before mounting remote filesystems, so that would probably be it [17:16] it's downloading peerguardian lists [17:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [17:17] and i couldn't find any reason it would be sleeping at the end of rc.m [17:17] Camarade_Tux: is the seep you're seeing in the new 12.2 system? [17:18] I'm not seeing it in 12.1 rc.M (other than 5 sec sleep for pcmcia to settle) [17:18] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:19] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-56-251.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:19] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:20] Oh i found it. that sleep is in rc.local. I had to put it in so that transmission-daemon could initialize properly before transmission remote tried to connect to it and make the appropriate changes to settings........ which i realize now is deprecated with newest transmission. so that can go. [17:20] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] =) [17:21] why does it run "find"? [17:21] humm. stupid question: is it possible to run kde desktop via ssh on a lan? or i'm better use xvnc from sbo for that? [17:22] hiptobecubic, vim /etc/rc.d/rc.S and then /find ? ;-) [17:23] pookiewookie_: are you thinking something like a terminal server where your local machine has just enough+X to get graphics, but have the desktop on the server? [17:25] pwc101 (n=pwc101@host86-128-37-249.range86-128.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] alisonken1home: yes. i want to have a remote desktop from a box that sits i my basement. i'm a spoiled GUI user so i need something 'graphical' :) i'm not that good at cli to just ssh to the box [17:26] pwc101 (n=pwc101@host86-128-37-249.range86-128.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:26] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] i have used vnc alot, so i'm thinking of setting that. but i was wondering if its possible to show remote pc' desktop via ssh.. [17:27] pookiewookie_: it's been a while, but set the server X to allow encrypted remote sessions, then set the local to use xdmchooser to select the server to connect to [17:28] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:28] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] alisonken1home: will i be able to use my local pc desktop at the same time? [17:28] pookiewookie_: you can try FreeNX server to tunnel X through ssh with smart caching [17:29] pookiewookie_: setup x with 2 configurations - for local machine, for remote connection [17:29] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [17:30] effectively, you would be using 2 X sessions then on the local machine, but that would be one way to do it [17:31] alienBOB: no slackbuild for FreeNX on sbo [17:31] alisonken1home: understood, thx [17:31] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [17:31] its a bitch to uild [17:32] I just uploaded packages pookiewookie_ ;-) [17:32] for freenx? [17:32] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [17:32] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/freenx/ [17:32] thats great :) [17:32] lol, u're fast :) [17:33] Install the two packages, that is all. Then download a NX client from nomachine.com [17:34] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-69-211.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:35] alienBOB: thx [17:35] damn i need to bookmark your page ;) [17:36] I needed to weed out some files there, a second ago. If you wanted to download, now is the right time. Stuff you downloaded a minute ago is not 100% correct [17:36] Nick change: Camarade_Tux_ -> Camarade_Tux [17:36] i made a bookmark [17:37] anyone tell me where to look to figure out why I cant do a CTRL+ALT+F1 in an X session to go to CLI ? [17:37] Mike1 (n=mike@78.104.10.157) joined ##slackware. [17:37] hey [17:37] gonna try the thingy that alisonken1home suggested, if i FAIL i'll try freenx :) [17:37] foureyes779, runlevel 4? [17:37] im in runlevel 3 [17:37] [23:34] In slackware everytime you log into a shell it gives you some different fortune. [17:37] how is that done? [17:37] Magic [17:37] where does it get the fortune from? [17:38] heh [17:38] Mike1, by calling the fortune programm [17:38] Mike1, man fortune :p [17:38] Mike1, magic :D [17:38] i dont like going into X at startup [17:38] Action: Camarade_Tux always types startx [17:39] Action: slackytude has x as alias for startx [17:39] when I do a ctrl+alt+F5 I get ;7~ [17:39] also, it does it as reg user and as root [17:39] no matter which DE I choose [17:40] runlevel 4 has f6 as the only terminal, runlevel other than 4 sets virtual consoles on f1-f6 [17:40] has nothing to do with de [17:41] foureyes779, read about inittab [17:41] Kresho (n=Kresho@78-0-204-65.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:41] is there a german translation of fortune too? :) [17:41] im in runlevel 3 [17:41] thx to all those that helped me earlier today... i'm on slack 12.2 with wifi working great [17:41] oh, p fortunes-de - German data files for fortune [17:41] giuppy (n=giuppy@host139-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:41] f7 is the default terminal for X with options to add more X sessions on other consoles [17:42] i just keep it at runlevel 3 and make two files, in ~/.xinitrc i put the desktop name (fvwm) and i make a ~/.bash_profile with startx -- -nolisten tcp [17:42] ;7~ is what I get when I do a ctrl+alt+F7 [17:42] I just use XWMCONFIG to determine which desktop im going to use [17:43] there's no login shell started on any terminal after f6, so yes, that's correct (unless you modify /etc/iniittab [17:43] ) [17:43] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:43] im wondering if it may be more of a keyboard mapping problem [17:43] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:44] mernillio (n=chatzill@81-236-11-170-no19.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:44] if im at a CLI, I can switch btwn term's [17:44] hi all :-) [17:46] Ubuntu ate my keyboard when I had it installed on this system [17:46] heh [17:46] pleazs de-ban mernil [17:46] katmio (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) joined ##slackware. [17:47] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [17:47] ubuntu is just plain awful! [17:47] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:47] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [17:47] or i will burn y97 all ijn a muslim kind of hate burn. [17:48] any idea's on the problem ? [17:48] Mike1 (n=mike@78.104.10.157) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [17:48] the best way to fix it would be to remove ubuntu, install a good distro like slackware :D [17:48] mernillio, that's a bit offensive. I doubt you're going to get unbanned. [17:49] Ubuntu is LOOOONG gone, it jusdt had to have something to do with why Slack isnt working right [17:49] im in Slack 12.2 now [17:49] bah I can't use a plus sign in this ..... [17:50] foureyes779, I sometimes get a issue like that, when I run vmware client on slack 12.1 at work [17:50] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-147-154-18.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:50] this is a laptop? with a keyboard config problem? foureyes779 ? [17:50] Pig_Pen: a desktop [17:50] briscoe (n=briscoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] ps2 or usb keyboard? [17:51] my usb keyboard works good, it uses usb/hid [17:51] Pig_Pen: nope, just a regular keyboard. Well, it IS a MS natural keyboard. maybe that's it !!! [17:51] im gonna sue MS [17:52] +1 for foureyes779 :) [17:52] hiptobecubic: sorry, im all pro-isralii. [17:52] those are supposed to be good keyboards? like those nice Logitec keyboards? [17:52] Pig_Pen: I like it, I have big hands and cant use a regualr keyboard. [17:53] i dont blame Israel one bit, if someone was shooting rockets in my back yard i would be wanting to kick their ass too [17:53] mernillio, pro-isreal does not mean anti-islam. [17:53] heh [17:53] hehehe let's not start THIS argument in here. it will never end [17:53] Actually, i have liked the days now when the israeliese bombed gaza.- Them fucker had it [17:54] yeah, i made my point, i will say no more on the topic [17:54] mernillio, you are not gonna get unbanned today [17:54] lol [17:54] I DISAGREE! [17:54] Nick change: briscoe -> erizoe [17:54] point? more like blunt mischaracterization... [17:55] ye gods, it has started [17:55] Action: foureyes779 sits back and waits for the carnage [17:55] Action: sladegen nukes ##slackware [17:55] Action: alienBOB will not accept carnage other than his own [17:55] well, at least that solves the issue [17:55] http://pastebin.com/d7594abfc foureyes779 here is the keyboard section in my config [17:56] Pig_Pen: tnx [17:57] http://pastebin.com/d75dc0185 here is another one that works good, i have a GrandTec Virtually Indestructable keyboard (USB) [17:57] virtually indestructable? [17:58] sounds good [17:58] Pig_Pen: thats in xorg.conf ? [17:58] yeah, the xorg.conf that the nvidia driver builds at the end of its install, (i remove all the useless comments to make it smaller) [17:59] slackytude: i like it, it is flat and flexible like a wet noodle [17:59] The paliustinians are retarded and Hamas has support from Iran. Everyone knows it. *Bomb iran, bomb most of the middle east! It's only assholes ther who wo9rshop some fuckijg pedo9hoie! [17:59] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:59] Pig_Pen, cool [17:59] http://www.grandtec.com/products/video/vik.html#vik [18:00] waterproof, i can wash it in the sink with hot soapy water if it gets dirty [18:00] mernillio (n=chatzill@81-236-11-170-no19.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]" [18:00] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [18:00] good evening [18:00] Pig_Pen, do you feel a restiance when you click? is the a clicky noise? [18:00] Pig_Pen: cool...wireless? [18:01] I guess Slackware 12.2 has libcap-2.14, right? [18:01] strange, my xorg.conf refers to keyboard1 [18:01] Kenjiro, not installed by default [18:01] no, very soft, the keys are spaced slightly furthur apart than regular keyboards so it takes a few days of getting used to it [18:01] Kenjiro, but yes it has [18:01] i bet you would like this keyboard foureyes779 [18:01] Pig_Pen, hmm [18:01] is it on "l" series? [18:02] Kenjiro, yes [18:02] Kenjiro, are you trying to install urxvt or eterm ? [18:02] erizoe (n=briscoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [18:02] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] wonder if X -configure would recognize the proper keybaord [18:02] LnxSlck: no. I just upgraded my VirtualBox and then VBoxHeadless won't run because it depends on libcap.so.1 [18:03] interesting is that with VirtualBox 2.0.6 it did run hehehehehe [18:03] Action: foureyes779 likes the clicky noise his keyboard makes [18:03] now with a greater version... ;) [18:03] makes ya feel like your really typing fast, even if yer not [18:03] Kenjiro, that's it.. i also installed virtualbox yesterday [18:03] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [18:03] foureyes779, same here. i dont grok keyboards without resistance or clicky noise [18:03] you had the same problem as I did then? [18:04] keyboard looks good tho [18:04] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-9f117b9087a63ef9) joined ##slackware. [18:04] liked the big IBM keyboards with the spring loaded keys [18:04] foureyes779: damn those were heavy hehehehe [18:04] I never liked those :( [18:05] you could kill someone with em [18:05] you could also use them in self defense.... [18:05] slackytude: be it melee or range [18:05] and still type aterwards [18:05] *ranged [18:05] *LOL* [18:05] ^-^ [18:05] LnxSlck: did you fix that? [18:05] home scurity/Keyboard [18:05] great for IT ninja action [18:05] slackytude: ahhahahahaahhaahhaa [18:06] got to paint it black tho [18:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) left irc: "Bye Bye" [18:06] how can anyone use a keyboard without a clicky noise [18:06] hiptobecubic: I like the quiet ones [18:06] the newer one's have a little "tink*tink" sound...EEEWWW [18:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:06] Kenjiro, yes [18:07] Kenjiro, i isntalled libcap [18:07] when I type with this one, the mic on my radio picks up the sound...heh [18:07] LnxSlck: not the 2.14 I guess [18:07] Kenjiro, yes i think so [18:07] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:08] interesting... [18:08] I have that one installed, but no good [18:08] Ludverc (n=Ludverc@dsl91ECD2B4.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [18:08] what I have is /lib/libcap.so.2, not /lib/libcap.so.1 [18:08] libcap-2.14-i486-1 [18:08] that's the one [18:08] oh [18:08] you need a simple fix [18:09] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) joined ##slackware. [18:09] I know I can create that symlink [18:09] if that's your simple fix ;) [18:09] yes [18:09] (as root) [18:09] cd /lib [18:09] ln -s libcap.so.2.14 libcap.so.1 [18:09] well... I was hoping for a more elegant solution ;) [18:09] ;) [18:10] the sbo package works fine out of the box [18:11] dont use symlinks. rebuild whats needed to be rebuilt instead [18:12] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host39-236-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:13] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:13] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-16.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [18:14] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [18:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] foureyes879 (n=theron@97-113-182-231.tukw.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-16.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:14] aah [18:14] option XkbdModel "microsoft" # For Microsoft natural keyboards [18:14] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.116.251.243.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] Microsoft compatibility switch [18:15] foureyes879 (n=theron@97-113-182-231.tukw.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [18:16] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:16] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [18:16] well, that was strange.... [18:17] ? [18:17] microsoft if good [18:17] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-16.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [18:17] is [18:17] for some reason, it changed my nick.... [18:17] at least for keyboards and mice [18:18] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:18] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-16.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:18] ok, gotta change that line in xorg.conf and restart X....BRB [18:18] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [18:19] anavel (n=sano@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:19] luism (n=luissmm@host238.190-31-108.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:19] luism (n=luissmm@host238.190-31-108.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:20] ah, the joy of mass interweb dying [18:23] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:23] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.50.53) joined ##slackware. [18:23] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [18:23] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.50.53) left irc: Client Quit [18:23] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.50.53) joined ##slackware. [18:25] things are wild in debian world [18:25] they are? [18:25] how so? [18:25] a secretary left [18:25] Action: Soul_keeper likes things nice and calm :) [18:25] oh no !!!! [18:25] LnxSlck, what does wild mean here ? [18:25] because the debian world it's not nice anymore [18:26] pip, a lot of arguments on their list [18:26] it's pretty enlightening to read some posts there [18:26] maybe they'll implode .... [18:26] heh [18:26] I rather stay endarkent then [18:26] lol [18:27] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/12/msg00765.html [18:27] if anyone cares to read there it is [18:28] click [18:29] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:30] well, after reading that, I can only say, who cares? [18:30] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [18:31] slackytude, there are a lot of reply's worth reading [18:31] well, maybe, but I dont care enough, relly [18:31] quisten (n=none@75.76.225.205) joined ##slackware. [18:32] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:32] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [18:32] GOT IT......w0000t !!! [18:32] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] for some reason, dint have libxkbfile for some reason [18:33] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-9f117b9087a63ef9) left irc: "Leaving" [18:33] what is far more unsettling is the fact that have to go fecth some smokes, while its ball freezing cold outsides [18:33] slackytude: down to 1-2 smokes a day now [18:33] sounds like a good reason to quit [18:33] foureyes779, nice work [18:34] the cold has helped....to darn cold to go out and smoke [18:34] zashi, ppfft [18:34] my laziness / discomfort avoidance has always been greater than any of my addictions. [18:34] heh [18:34] when I can walk to seas of blood and climb mountains of skull to get them, a bit of cold wont stop me [18:36] heh [18:36] been using chewing tobacco.... [18:36] it helps curb the cravings, although it isnt any better [18:36] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Rockgarden (n=syl@hecate.therockgarden.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:37] chewing tobacco causes mouth cancer [18:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:38] when my jaw get's cut out, i'll have a nice, big gaping hole to breathe through [18:39] quisten (n=none@75.76.225.205) left irc: "Leaving" [18:39] life causes death [18:39] we are all slowly rotting from the inside out [18:40] Action: foureyes779 hopes to have his system working correctly before that happens [18:41] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.25.44) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:41] denn alles, was entsteht, Ist wert, daß es zugrunde geht. [18:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:44] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [18:46] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-165-56.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:47] hmm, no one talking or just lag ? [18:47] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host39-236-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:47] hi, i'm not using gfs2 anywhere, but a 'gfs2_scand' process seems to be eating cpu time. what do i do about it? [18:48] nooper: kil the process ? [18:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:49] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [18:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] foureyes779: its lauched by kthreadd, thats a kernel thread right? [18:49] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.50.53) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [18:50] nooper: not familiar with the program, so dont know for sure. [18:51] nooper: ps aux | grep gfs2_scand | xargs kill -9 [18:51] yeah i dont want to go killing kernel threads at the moment [18:52] heh [18:52] good decision, imho [18:52] what kernel? [18:53] 2.6.24.5-smp [18:53] on 12.1 [18:53] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) joined ##slackware. [18:53] what filesystems? [18:54] ext3, jfs, xfsproc, sysfs, usbfs [18:54] xfs, procfs [18:55] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:56] it is responsible for cleaning filesystems in some magical way. supposedly, you can give it a parameter for the frequency of its running [18:56] this is just from some googleing, so dont quote me [18:56] Action: FriedBob quotes slackytude [18:56] :P [19:00] I wonder why this mouse doesn't work in Linux after I switch my KVM to one of the other machines, but still works on the other machine, which is running windows. [19:01] (keyboard, BTW, works fine) [19:03] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] FriedBob, Gremlins [19:05] it's Ubuntu's fault [19:05] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4m4n@83.218.195.61) left irc: "Leaving" [19:06] heh [19:06] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:06] foureyes779: Ubuntu has never been on any system I own. [19:07] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:07] I blame slackytude though. [19:07] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] O_o [19:07] FriedBob: ya probably hit a website that was running Ubuntu.... [19:07] that'll b00ger yer system all up too.... [19:07] foureyes779: Not on my Slackbox. I don't take it on the web at all, other than for IRC. [19:07] wasnt me. Im innocent [19:08] maybe ya answered a question of someone that was running Ubuntu on another system [19:08] I screen my clients better than that. [19:08] or typed the word "Ubuntu" at one time... [19:08] heh [19:09] everytime I type "Ub*ntu", my mouse quits working [19:09] they should name one of the *buntu's BuBuntu like the bubonic plague [19:09] I have my IRC filter it so I never type it or see it. [19:09] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Soul_keeper: bubonicutu ? [19:10] jej [19:10] :) [19:10] Thurin1 (n=Thurin1@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [19:11] Ub*ntu filter full ? [19:11] Only if /dev/null can get full. [19:11] gotta love those bit buckets - infinite storage :) [19:12] A little hard to read from though. [19:12] try it cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null and wait till its full [19:12] or empty [19:12] Action: foureyes779 removes the letter U,B,N,T from his keyboard, just to be safe [19:12] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] foureyes779: How would you type your name then? [19:13] 4eyes [19:13] because he removed the uppercase letters and not the lowercase letters? [19:13] heheh [19:13] But that word has both [19:13] You'd only need to remove upper/lower U, upper BNT can stay [19:13] tab-completion -> foTAB [19:14] well, he didn't say if the lowercase ub*ntu hung ismouse, only the mixed-case one [19:14] Those letter would have to be removed from tab complete too, to prevent accidental ub [19:14] need to design a "NO Ub*ntu onboard" sticker [19:15] big circle with a line thru it [19:15] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:15] ah, come on, wheres the love. its all linux, right? [19:15] Is it? [19:15] Sure it's not all GNU with a Linux kernel? [19:16] well, whatever [19:16] And a few random BSD apps thrown in for good measure. [19:16] as long as it isnt a gnu kernel [19:16] COme on on, follow the HURD. [19:16] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:16] dot understand the whole GNU/Linux connection [19:17] Most of the userland software in "Linux" is actually GNU software. The only thing that is actually "Linux" is the kernel. [19:17] O_o [19:18] Assuming that "dot" was meant to be "dont" or "Don't" [19:18] FriedBob: see what happens when I use the "U" word ? [19:20] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:20] got myself a nitro remote control car today. [19:21] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:21] fast as fcuk! [19:22] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] Bully for you? [19:24] http://omploader.org/vMTM0MQ heh [19:24] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:25] http://www.mad4motorsport.co.uk/eb4pro.htm one of these beauties. :) [19:25] Which file contains the list of which groups are located on which CDs? [19:26] http://www.slackware.com/torrents/ [19:26] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:26] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:27] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:28] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host39-236-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:29] Nick change: gewt -> p4ssw0rd [19:29] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.37.214) joined ##slackware. [19:29] not to sure about this qnap box. linux nor my mac could find it [19:29] had to resort to a windows pc Yuck [19:29] Nick change: p4ssw0rd -> gewt [19:30] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [19:30] jonsmith1982: Isn't there a text file somewhere as well though? [19:31] not that i've come across. [19:31] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "Leaving" [19:32] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] k [19:32] Thanks thought! [19:32] qnap ? [19:33] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:33] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:34] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-56-251.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:35] foureyes779 yea it got here today [19:35] my mac nor nix machine would connect to it. [19:36] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@c75-110-174-178.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:36] not sure what a qnap box even is ? [19:37] http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=78 [19:37] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@c75-110-174-178.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] Ludverc (n=Ludverc@dsl91ECD2B4.pool.t-online.hu) left irc: "Távozom" [19:38] wow, nice [19:39] well i hope so [19:39] not sure yet [19:39] thinking i should of spent the cash on a raid card and got 3 1tb drives :D [19:40] NuMaStresa (n=smart@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [19:43] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [19:43] sberla54_ (i=1000@62-101-116-140.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [19:46] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [19:50] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) left irc: Connection timed out [19:50] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-165-56.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [19:50] Action: foureyes779 waits for his Walmart "special" to arrive [19:50] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) joined ##slackware. [19:50] a shotgun? [19:51] foureyes779: you get that keyboard working? [19:51] Compaq [19:51] Pig_Pen: yeah, was missing libXkbfile [19:51] ah, cool [19:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [19:51] not sure how that happened, but it wasnt there [19:52] is that one of those files that should be installed by default? [19:52] Im assuming that it should be. [19:52] part of a default slackware with xorg install [19:55] of course, didnt notice it until I selected Option "XkbModel" "Microsoft" [19:56] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host39-236-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:56] when I killed X with CTRL+ALT+BKSPACE, it said that libxkbfile.so.6 was missing [19:56] your a good detective [19:56] not really, just got lucky [19:57] still learning how all this works. [19:57] he used to be a good copper too, but they had to fire him when his hatred for ubuntu became public [19:57] I try to read SlackEssentials and the SlackHandbook everyday [19:57] heh [19:57] whenever you have problems like that usually it is logged or echoed on the shell what is wrong [19:58] Pig_Pen: made a BIG note of that in my notebook, so if I see it again, I will know where to start looking. [19:59] years ago when ubuntu first started out as a child/fork of debian it was not that bad, but as time went by ubuntu just kept getting wierder and wierder [19:59] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:00] so now linux users either love it or hate it, i am one of the ones that hate it [20:00] nah, its ok. I wouldnt use it meself but its not as bad as you make it ou to be [20:00] Pig_Pen: I liked the hardware detection, but when that quit working that was it for me [20:01] if im going to have to configure everything by hand, I might as well use Slackware [20:01] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [20:02] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-9d52211fcdae47b4) joined ##slackware. [20:02] good day all [20:02] really learn how all this works [20:02] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:03] it was the excessive hand-holding and when UUID became necessary for fstab and grub i really grown a haterid for it, i keep an extra disk partition for trying out various distros, so i dont have to wipe slackware off just to try out distros and i never let other distros write a bootloader to the MBR, and ubuntu fails it [20:03] Nick change: sberla54 -> sberla|out [20:03] Nick change: sberla|out -> sberla54 [20:03] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:04] Pig_Pen: heh, I still have the darn grub all over my laptop, even tho it now has Slack12.2 [20:04] Pig_Pen: ever use ssh over wan and through a windows network [20:04] 'windows network' ? [20:04] no [20:04] how is a network a windows network? [20:04] i dont use ssh for anything [20:04] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [20:05] i dont think microsoft has their own networking protocols [20:05] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:05] straterra, smb? [20:05] smb isnt a network [20:05] me neither, i use hping for all my communication by guessing sequence numbers [20:05] straterra: the network consists mostly of windows [20:05] netbios? [20:05] netbios [20:05] straterra, its a networking protocol [20:05] and my linux box is in there [20:06] well..i dont see how the os of the machines on the network would effect data going through that network [20:06] straterra: how can i get to it, without access [20:06] straterra, a windows network, is a network that doesnt work [20:06] lanman [20:06] get to..what? [20:06] the network? [20:06] my remote linux box [20:06] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] thats behind another network? [20:07] another victom of microsoft, from microsoft making people think they are the "be all" of everything computers and internet [20:07] yes its behind a network [20:07] do port forwarding or have the machine thats behind the firewall/nat make the connection [20:07] eelriver (n=eelriver@97.72.193.15) joined ##slackware. [20:07] if you dont own the network/router..then..tough luck for you [20:08] reverse ssh tunnel for the win [20:08] so i have to vpn to the network and tell my linux box to connect to me [20:08] HI, im here ! [20:08] heh [20:08] if you can vpn to the network..then..you use it like normal [20:08] if you have vpn access, whats the problem [20:08] thats the point of a vpn [20:09] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [20:09] well whats the point of me logging in with ssh [20:09] vpn > ssh [20:09] um..i dont know? you were the one that wanted to ssh [20:09] does wicd have vpn [20:09] heh [20:09] err [20:09] lol [20:09] vpn doesnt log you into anything [20:09] what kind of vpn is it? [20:09] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:09] standard linksys router [20:10] that..isnt a vpn [20:10] alright all you tricksters [20:10] do you know what a vpn is? [20:10] houston, thats a negative [20:10] well please dont tell me that exchange server is the vpn [20:10] ... [20:10] again..do you know what a vpn is? [20:11] vpn is a v shaped icon on my desktop. [20:11] virtual private network [20:11] Action: slackytude gives souljas a quarter [20:11] go buy some clue [20:11] and a beer [20:11] Action: SiegeX steals the quarter [20:11] i like those little watermellon gum balls [20:11] ok..do you have legitimate access to a vpn on the remote network? [20:11] #souljas = a virtual private souljas [20:11] mmm, beeer [20:11] you may wanna skip the beer for the IPsec lesson [20:11] if so..those people can walk you through setting up the vpn [20:12] whether its ipsec or openvpn or another vpn [20:12] straterra: yes, [20:12] alcohol = the reason and solution to all my problems :D [20:12] you will need keys and clients and clue. they should provide all three. [20:12] renew01 (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] i think we should teach him to get ipv6 connectivity to his box, then we will have beer for days [20:12] this is friday, i am going to catch a buzz tonite [20:13] wow it is friday already [20:13] damn days blending into each other [20:13] yup [20:14] yeah, think i'll have a corona [20:14] damn you happy brownies! [20:14] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:14] no wait, I love you happy brownies [20:14] Michelob "AmberBock" [20:14] the christmas & newyear got me messed up too, i ran out of material at work and another truck does not come in til monday or i would have worked so it seems like one looong weekend [20:14] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:15] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:16] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) left irc: Connection timed out [20:16] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) joined ##slackware. [20:17] eelriver (n=eelriver@97.72.193.15) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [20:17] seems i'd be better off logging in an forward some ports [20:18] sberla54_ (i=1000@62-101-116-140.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:18] ... [20:19] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.65.59) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:22] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [20:24] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [20:25] eelriver (n=eelriver@97.72.193.15) joined ##slackware. [20:26] eelriver (n=eelriver@97.72.193.15) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:26] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:26] eelriver (n=eelriver@97.72.193.15) joined ##slackware. [20:26] eelriver (n=eelriver@97.72.193.15) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:27] i just ate half a pound of pistachios and now i'm not feeling so great [20:27] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "Leaving" [20:29] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:29] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-167-16.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [20:32] NuMaStresa (n=smart@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] nullboy, just wait till you gotta poop [20:32] it's gunna be awesome [20:33] hahha [20:33] better bring an extra roll of paper in to the commode with you [20:34] once when i was driving an 18 wheeler i ate too much peanutbutter, i had to stop every 50 miles [20:34] lol [20:36] ok now to get this stuff on the dang qnap [20:36] Lotec [20:36] still dont understand why it would not do a static ip but all well i guess [20:36] You still looking for a rack? [20:36] mrselfpwn: yes [20:36] yeppers [20:36] www.anixter.com [20:36] small and cheep :D [20:37] check out their online catalog [20:37] we buy racks from them all the time [20:38] go here [20:38] http://onlinecatalog.anixter.com/BrowseCatalogServlet?CATALOGID=2004032900100000000 [20:38] and look on the right where it says physical support [20:39] If the racks category doesn't list what you need try the frames link. [20:39] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:39] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.8.86) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:39] NuMaStresa (n=smart@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [20:40] nice rack [20:40] heheh [20:40] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) left irc: [20:40] s4hk0 (n=s4hk0@ppp-94-68-162-154.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:43] mrselfpwn cool thanks [20:43] yep [20:43] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:44] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) joined ##slackware. [20:45] hum i am woundering they have a copy feature on this device. wounder if it can copy my linus drive [20:46] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:46] KillerV (i=tinyirc@bhe201062130218.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:47] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] pip_ (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [20:49] your linus drive? [20:49] he stole it [20:53] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:54] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:55] is it normal for someone to load a clothes dryer with a pillow and 6 tennis balls? [20:55] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:55] good way to fluff up a pillow, thanks for the idea [20:55] i mean seriously. WTF. this lady is really starting to piss me off now [20:55] time to test cruncheee :D [20:56] i never done that before, is it noisy? [20:56] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [20:56] yeah it's noisy dude [20:56] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.47) joined ##slackware. [20:56] s4hk0 (n=s4hk0@ppp-94-68-162-154.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [20:57] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:57] this is the same lady who decided that 3am was a perfect time to dry her pants that have steel beaded tassels around the cuffs... [20:57] who is this woman with the pillow & tennis balls? [20:57] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) joined ##slackware. [20:57] a lady who lives in the apartment above me [20:58] ah, i see she has no concern for her neighbors [20:58] nullboy: bang on the ceiling [20:58] i bang on the ceiling and i scream too [20:58] she always on her cellphone, 24/7 nonstop and is totally oblivious to the world around her [20:58] wait until she is asleep then fire up the stereo with some loud rock & roll [20:59] bang her and make her scream at the ceiling... [20:59] Pig_Pen: that will wake up the other neighbourghs [20:59] or rent one of those vibrators concrete workers use to get rid of the air bubbles when pouring concrete and push it against the ceiling and turn it on :D [20:59] sladegen: not this one man [21:00] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.236) left irc: Client Quit [21:00] one of those annoying little magnets that make high pitched noises would work [21:00] The annoyaton? [21:00] yeah [21:01] pip_ (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:01] oh no! i guess i forgot i had a pocket full of crayons in my last load....daarrrn [21:01] plant that next to her bedroom windows [21:01] :> [21:01] pip_ (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [21:01] or get a CB radio and lenier amplifier and coil about 37 feet of wire on the ceiling and start talking to her through her TV, radio, and any other electronic appliance she has [21:01] scooty (n=scooty@125.167.79.141) joined ##slackware. [21:01] foureyes779: It's actually pretty easy to find. [21:02] it's time to go to the bar. this is unacceptable. [21:02] Which is why you buy a dozen. [21:02] anyone can talk indonesian [21:02] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.99) joined ##slackware. [21:02] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Connection timed out [21:02] I doubt anyone can, unless they are Indonesian. I know I can't. [21:02] you could buy one of the RadioShack "150 projects in one" kits, build your own, run the sound thru a guitar amp and plant the speaker on your ceiling [21:03] After I pissed from the bathroom, I found my computer which was running slackware was power off, any ideas ? [21:03] Nick change: pip_ -> pip [21:03] maybe..look..at the logs? [21:03] Check your security camera? [21:04] a power outage of just one second can power down a PC [21:04] where is the log ? [21:04] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24) joined ##slackware. [21:04] in /var/log/* [21:04] It was me, I ran in and turned it off when I heard the tinkle. [21:04] Pig_Pen, Um, makes sense even just in a few seconds [21:05] NuMaStresa (n=smart@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:05] rob0, You damn hacker [21:05] heh [21:05] few milliseconds... [21:05] a "tinkle-hacker" [21:05] lol [21:05] time to make a beer run, later [21:05] that happens here on occasion, the power will go off for just a second and i have to boot up teh PC [21:05] rob0: And whle you were doing that, I installed WinME on your box and themed it like your favorite WM [21:05] lol [21:05] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [21:05] In my memory, it's the first time, that by happened and so fast [21:06] Lookslike rob0 justvisited foureyes779. [21:06] pip: get a UPS [21:06] KillerV (i=tinyirc@bhe201062130218.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) got netsplit. [21:06] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24) got netsplit. [21:06] lee555J5 (n=lee@68.113.104.255) got netsplit. [21:06] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) got netsplit. [21:06] dbaio (n=dbaio@unaffiliated/dbaio) got netsplit. [21:06] anrxc (n=anrxc@sysphere.org) got netsplit. [21:06] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) got netsplit. [21:06] Zordrak (n=jaz@78.32.83.254) got netsplit. [21:06] Pig_Pen, What power do you mean ? [21:06] electricity, 120 volts AC [21:06] Okay [21:06] 4ize was in the bathroom, I couldn't help myself! [21:06] I'm going to check the log [21:07] So was orwell.freenode.net [21:07] Let's see how well I can trace in the Gimp... [21:07] when you gotta go, ya gotta go [21:07] and i gotta go [21:07] And there I'll be! [21:08] scootym anyone can talk indonesian, for what? [21:08] Pig_Pen, which log should I check first ? [21:08] i wanna talk [21:08] I had a catheter(sp?) installed. I never have to leave my desk to go. Much more productive this way. [21:08] anrxc (n=anrxc@sysphere.org) returned to ##slackware. [21:08] scooty, then talk [21:08] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) returned to ##slackware. [21:08] kernel, syslog, messages... [21:08] Zordrak (n=jaz@78.32.83.254) returned to ##slackware. [21:09] scooty, selamat tahun baru 2009, that indonesian language :) [21:09] scooty: only english is spoken (and allowed) in this channel [21:09] oks [21:09] ok, i;m so sory [21:09] This is an English channel, IIRC. Try ##slackware. whatever the country code is [21:09] my indonesian is limited to stuff related to dishes ;) [21:09] Hmmmmm [21:09] but I want talk with pm [21:09] BP{k}: As in ordering them? [21:10] FriedBob: no as in cooking. [21:10] not on this chan [21:10] pip, check messages & syslog [21:10] sory :( [21:10] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:10] BP{k}: I'm redoing my logo, tracing an 1000x1000 SVG of a triskele I found. [21:10] Pig_Pen, I am reading just don't know about it [21:11] BP{k}: were you a dishwasher in an indonesian restaurant? [21:11] Pig_Pen: no. my great-grandmother was indonesian. [21:11] pip, scroll towards the bottom, if it was a power outage then chances are there was nothing logged [21:12] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) got lost in the net-split. [21:12] lee555J5 (n=lee@68.113.104.255) got lost in the net-split. [21:12] dbaio (n=dbaio@unaffiliated/dbaio) got lost in the net-split. [21:12] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24) got lost in the net-split. [21:12] KillerV (i=tinyirc@bhe201062130218.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) got lost in the net-split. [21:12] and if it was not power outage chances are there was nothing logged [21:12] where exactly is indonesia? isnt that those chain of islands north of australia, including java & sumatra? [21:13] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] no that's iran... [21:13] scooty/bimoseptyop: there is #id-slackware iirc [21:13] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:13] Pig_Pen, there is a time gap in the two logs, that I can see [21:13] But never logged anything about power off [21:13] hmm, maybe aliens were using your computer to surf porn pip [21:14] Okay, I see [21:14] dbaio (n=dbaio@189.74.102.179) joined ##slackware. [21:15] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [21:16] you see when you went to the bathroom aliens put you in a suspended state where hours would seem like seconds so the aliens would have time to use your PC [21:16] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.65.59) left ##slackware. [21:16] Yes, I guess that too [21:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [21:17] they are so powerful in technology [21:18] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@c75-110-174-178.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:18] fridim_ (n=fridim@gar13-5-88-161-23-155.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:18] now you have to wrap your pc in tinfoil. [21:18] katmio (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) left irc: "leaving" [21:18] thats where the USA gets all its technology, we have extraterristrail immigration, you ever watch "Men In Black" thats a true story that nobody really believes [21:19] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] thats why they could make a movie about it because they knew nobody would believe it [21:20] I am thinking what if I didn't go to the bathroom and kept at my computer [21:20] what wold happen to me [21:20] *would [21:21] The conclusion is everything would be all right like normal [21:21] pip: it would have rebooted the same. [21:21] they did not hurt anything, they just needed your PC fora while [21:22] pip: do you have a UPS handy? [21:22] scooty (n=scooty@125.167.79.141) left irc: [21:22] Because the Ramdon event just happened, and another random event happened in paralle [21:22] scooty (n=scooty@125.167.79.141) joined ##slackware. [21:22] No [21:22] pip: you should get one [21:22] Pig_Pen, They should message me to let me know [21:24] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.99) left irc: "leaving" [21:24] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.37.214) left irc: "Leaving" [21:25] thumbs, I have laptop battery [21:26] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] ah, it's a laptop. [21:26] those can be defective [21:28] dont forget Murphy's Law [21:29] NyteOwl (i=nodezero@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [21:29] scooty, You are a M$ guy, shame on you [21:29] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] Happy New Years Programs! [21:30] we are slackers ,not programs [21:30] pip: Speak for yourself [21:31] FriedBob, So you are program [21:31] yes, he's using mirc. Shame on him. [21:31] lol [21:31] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [21:31] I have never let my host machines be infected by mIRC [21:32] that would be an abomination [21:32] Okay [21:32] I have to admit I used mIRC when I was using WFW [21:33] NyteOwl: WFW? [21:33] scooty (n=scooty@125.167.79.141) left irc: [21:33] scooty (n=scooty@125.167.79.141) joined ##slackware. [21:33] WIndows For Workgroups [21:33] I have to admit that when I use mIRC, it's must another guys computer, like my friend's [21:33] *be^ [21:33] last version before WIn95 [21:33] I still wouldn't use it. [21:33] I'd SSH into my box and use irssi [21:34] good answer. [21:34] ssh to your box, screen -r/-x [21:34] On those occasions I use WInows now I use KVIRC or X-CHat [21:34] or irssi [21:34] There is an irssi for win [21:34] X-chat Silver in Windows, irssi on Linux and macirssi on my Mac. [21:34] putty->ssh->screen->irssi seems to be pretty popular [21:35] scooty (n=scooty@125.167.79.141) left irc: Client Quit [21:35] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:36] evening buys'n'girls :-) [21:37] Al_Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) joined ##slackware. [21:37] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-4-152.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] Al-Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:38] evening macavity [21:38] hum ok need some ideas here guys [21:38] afternoon macavity [21:38] hi macavity [21:39] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [21:39] so i got the qnap installed and running. now i need to move the files on my old 320gb that is partitioned in nix. the qnap has smb enabled. but i can not get my mac to read the linux drive. However i can get the drive read in linux in vmware. [21:40] then whats the problem? [21:40] cant get the files to transfer in linux :D [21:40] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:41] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [21:42] the gnap is a NAS device attached to your switch, right? and linux is running in vmware on the mac, which is *also* attached to your switch, right? [21:42] macavity correct [21:42] and you have configured vmware to emulate a NIC, right? [21:43] yep [21:43] man a few beers tastes good after working 12 hours [21:43] indeed [21:43] emulate a nic? [21:43] twolf: yes [21:43] You mean, bridge? [21:43] i dont get it?!? smb://ip.of.qnap.device in konqueror should do the trick... [21:43] it is bridged [21:44] can you ping the nas? [21:44] yea i can get to the nas. i can even get on the web page in linux. but i cant get the smb to come up. [21:44] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "ZzZzzzZZZZZzzzZZzZzzZZz" [21:45] then check the config of the nas [21:45] and/or firewall on the nas [21:45] i have smb://192.168.0.200/Public [21:45] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [21:45] i can get on the nas threw doze and threw mac [21:45] no firewall on nix [21:45] is it actual samba or is it cifs? [21:45] smb^ [21:45] samba [21:45] smb [21:46] try mounting using the cifs module [21:46] i can connect to it threw eveyrthing but nix [21:47] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@221.226.45.139) joined ##slackware. [21:47] lotec: can you ftp to it from nix? [21:48] yep [21:48] hold on i think i got it [21:48] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.99) joined ##slackware. [21:48] try mounting using the cifs module [21:48] straterra i did. [21:48] and? [21:48] seams as though something is running slow [21:48] mount -t cifs //192.168.0.200/Public /mnt/someplace? [21:48] i reloaded the page and it came up [21:48] copying a file see if it works [21:49] lotec: it has logs also [21:49] lotec: btw, doesnt the qnap do FTP? [21:49] its copying. [21:49] macavity yea but transfering 320GB threw ftp will never work :D [21:49] at what rate? 2-3MB/s? :P [21:49] *through [21:50] erm yer :D [21:50] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:50] hi all, i have the next issue with wlan0(intel 4965). There is a laptop connected with my AP, it can ping google.com but it cant ping localhost, some idea? [21:50] FTP is slow for lots of small files.. but *way* faster if most of what you have there is pron :P [21:50] macavity music/movies/pron :D [21:51] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] lotec: then FTP would be much faster [21:51] o and a few of my wifes files [21:51] lotec: i get 11.2MB/s sustained on 100Mbit with FTP here [21:51] larry_ (n=larry@s180-248-68-64.ssvec.az.wi-power.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] larry_ (n=larry@s180-248-68-64.ssvec.az.wi-power.com) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [21:51] i got 1.5 threw smb transfer [21:51] and something like 5-7 with SMB :-/ [21:51] larry_ (n=larry@s180-248-68-64.ssvec.az.wi-power.com) joined ##slackware. [21:52] heh [21:52] it is still going to take an hour :( [21:52] that is just my wifes stuff jebus this is going to take forever [21:52] FTP is always faster than SMB [21:52] thumbs: try moving an unpacked linux source tree over it and say that again... [21:52] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [21:53] hey, i tried to install slackware onto my 16GB flashdrive, but i'm getting an error in the middle of the boot saying that it cannot find the / folder [21:53] macavity: I'll say it again [21:53] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.99) left irc: "leaving" [21:53] macavity: I've done that [21:53] thumbs: in that case you know some tricks with vsftpd that i apparently do not [21:53] larry_: you need to set the install up to us UUID's [21:53] thumbs: care to share? :P [21:53] macavity ill try ftp on the next one [21:53] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [21:54] larry_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [21:54] macavity: proftpd, and I use lftp [21:54] straterra: i can't get into the jumpdrive at all except for boot, did you need the error? [21:54] Nick change: gewt -> badwolf [21:54] no [21:54] Nick change: badwolf -> gewt [21:54] larry_: follow the above link.. it is more complicated then you might first think, but its a good article [21:54] you need to boot another linux (or use a live cd, or the installation media) and mount the partition [21:54] larry_: just follow it to the letter... [21:55] thumbs: ok.. i never played with proftpd [21:55] macavity: seriously, lftp does some magic with connections. It kicks any other client's ass. [21:55] staterra: tried to mount it on openSUSE 11.1, but it's not recognizing it [21:56] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:56] straterra: it's not even showing up when i plug it in. It's almost like it's locked internally or something [21:56] thumbs: i will have to look into that then.. since there is no really usable FUSE module for ftp yet, i still just copy and paste with konqueror for FTP [21:57] sudo tail -f /var/log/messages [21:57] and plug it in [21:57] macavity: lftp grabs a directory, recursively. [21:57] macavity: it somehows manages to re-use the existing connection really fast [21:58] hmm.. [21:58] how fast can you transfer files with netcat ? [21:58] perhaps one should have a little sneaky-peeky at the source [21:58] foureyes779: huh?!? [21:58] straterra: ok, what did you need to know? the last entry says usb-storage device scan complete [21:59] if it says anything when you plug it in..then its detected [21:59] foureyes779: ah, that way.. i never though of it like a copying tool [21:59] i use that too transfer quick files btwn systems sometimes. just wondering how fast it was ? [22:00] straterra: then why doesn't it show up in mtab or fstab? [22:00] foureyes779: *probably* netspeed minus overhead ;-) [22:01] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-9d52211fcdae47b4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:03] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] Burp [22:05] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-147-18.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:06] lotec: does that nas have ssh option? and nfs options? [22:06] souljas: yeppers [22:06] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:06] nice [22:06] in via ssh now [22:06] larry_: because..plugging a device in doesnt add anything to mtab/fstab [22:07] has standard config files also. [22:07] for ssh/ smb/ etc [22:07] straterra: so how do i access it? [22:07] by looking at dmesg and mounting it [22:07] has apache on it. have not messed with it yet [22:08] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:09] souljas: biggest problem i had was getting it working. linux nor osx would work even though there is a pkg for them. [22:09] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:09] so i resorted to the windows files. and it worked fine. [22:10] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-4-152.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:10] hmm [22:11] mydrmeix (n=ssrl@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361665.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:11] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:11] souljas: there is a file u have to run to get it going. so you can config it and get the hd partitioned and set the ip etc [22:12] Tidus (n=tidus@d8-102.rb3.clm.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] yeah was just reading that [22:12] yea that file did not work for shit in osx or linux. [22:12] so i could not get it going. [22:13] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.47) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:13] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] straterra: it says it's sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] 31588351 512-byte hardware sectors: (16.1GB/15.0GiB) [22:14] lotec: this guy was setting it up from osx http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/28019/75/1/1/ was reading his review [22:14] larry_: is there any data on it [22:14] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Tidus (n=tidus@d8-102.rb3.clm.centurytel.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:15] souljas: well it should have an entire installation of Slackware on it, but I can't boot from it either [22:15] [4a-52-4d] (n=Rogue@cpe-75-85-240-242.bak.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Tidus (n=tidus@d8-102.rb3.clm.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] larry_: what file system is on it [22:15] larry_: hows it formatted [22:15] lee555J5 (n=lee@68.113.104.255) joined ##slackware. [22:15] souljas yea but it looks like he used windows to do the inital set up [22:16] souljas: ext3 I think? [22:16] lotec: ah ok [22:16] Anyone have a recommendation for a good utility to intercept and monitor traffic on USB ports? [22:16] . In this case, Qnap provided a little utility that automatically found the device and walked through the initial setup [22:16] howdy - on slack 12.2 for legacy nvidia, if i installed the legacy nvidia driver (71) through slackbuild (sbopkg) what do i need to do in xorg to get it to use the closed source nvidia driver? [22:16] after i got that done it was easy. just had to config the hd [22:17] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.99) joined ##slackware. [22:17] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:18] Tidus (n=tidus@d8-102.rb3.clm.centurytel.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:18] Tidus (n=tidus@d8-102.rb3.clm.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] quitarman4 under graphics device section change Driver to the nvidia one. restart x [22:20] k thx - i also see that i didn't install the nvidia kernel module for 71 series. back in a bit to see if it works :0 thx lotec [22:21] quitarman4 [22:21] i will have to do the same at my pops place (also has nvidia that Ubuntu totally locked on) [22:21] seems latest xorg and nvidia drivers are at odds from searching around [22:21] i would also advies to make a back up of the current config so if it does not work you can just restore the config back [22:22] yeah, i will do that... i'm scrapping his ubuntu for slack since ubuntu didn't work anyways - i'll just open a port on his router and install and fix stuff when he can't figure it out [22:22] brb [22:22] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:22] so does anyone else know how I can get into my flashdrive? [22:22] MacGuyver (n=macguyve@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [22:23] larry_ i have taken one apart with a screwdriver before. dont know if that helps [22:23] lotec: lol, not really [22:23] mount it? [22:23] larry_: did you follow the instructions at linuxquestions [22:23] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] souljas: i can't install it to it if i can't access it [22:24] straterra: help? [22:24] hahahahahahhahaha [22:24] best line ever [22:24] larry_: did you mount it [22:25] dmesg show sdb right? [22:25] souljas: how do i mount it? [22:25] yeah [22:25] >_< [22:25] man mount? [22:25] google? [22:25] find the slackbook [22:25] mount man? erm wait [22:26] if you dont know how to mount something, installing slackware to a USB drive (which is not supported by default, mind you) is probably over your head... [22:26] larry_ why dont u do what everyone else does and use an iso disk? [22:26] i did -.- [22:26] i burned the iso to a disk and used it [22:27] ok [22:27] i'm not that much of a nub [22:27] er, aside from putting nvidia instead of nv in xorg to enable nvidia, getting glxgears to work errr. sorry, i forget the other mod in xorg [22:27] and then what happened? [22:27] it boots the disk just fine [22:27] ok [22:27] but I can't access my flash drive [22:27] so what is the problme man [22:27] what is on the flash drive u need so bad? [22:27] i don't [22:27] i'm trying to install to it... [22:28] but i can't do that if it doesn't see it [22:28] why are you trying to install to the flash drive for? [22:28] so i tried connecting it to openSUSE, and it's not reading anymore [22:28] why not? 16 GB is plenty of space [22:28] fair enough [22:29] i've done it with sidux, arch, and openSUSE all before with no problems until now [22:29] what distro are you in now? [22:29] well slackware is not arch or openSUSE [22:29] and is the flash drive attached? [22:29] larry_: once again http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [22:29] obviously [22:29] souljas, shut it [22:29] ^^ [22:29] read [22:29] you obviously don't understand what i'm talking about [22:30] right [22:30] Action: lotec grabs a coke and sits back and watches [22:30] anyway, as i was saying [22:30] slings a corona bottle [22:30] i installed slackware onto it, and it went to boot [22:30] it went just fine until it ran into an error finding the / folder [22:30] so i was going to reformat and start over [22:30] lol my sylvania ipod shuffle dupe had to have the switch ON to mount the flash [22:30] right [22:30] only i can't access the drive anymore [22:31] now, again, what distro are you in right now, and is the flash drive plugged in? [22:31] one day,..at bandcamp,...we ran ubuntu... [22:31] openSUSE 11.1 and yes it is [22:31] lol @ foureyes779 [22:31] it usually shows up as sdb, right? [22:32] it does under dmesg, but it doesn't show the partitions [22:32] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:32] right, then cfdisk /dev/sdb [22:32] apparently someting got crapped up [22:32] yeah, i got that much [22:33] i've tried re-writing the partition tables, but still no dice [22:33] re-make the partitions, be sure to pick Write when you are done [22:33] hmmm... [22:34] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [22:34] mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdb && mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb /mnt/someplace [22:34] i know, i know.. looks odd, but i want to see if it is physically damaged [22:35] When change my ~/gtkrc-2.0 to use Gnome or Tango icons, the icons in inkscape become bigger ... uglier :) [22:36] alkos333 that happens to me when i wake up in the morning after having a few beers [22:37] heh [22:40] larry_ (n=larry@s180-248-68-64.ssvec.az.wi-power.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:40] jerk... [22:40] you rang? [22:40] "i think i got my own idea now that i will try instead, kkthxbai" [22:40] god please if your listening dont let larry come back [22:41] lol [22:41] XGizzmo: LOL, no.. just someone not used to getting help via IRC :P [22:41] i just had him on a PM [22:41] llike they expect u to know what is wrong. [22:42] night all [22:42] NyteOwl (i=nodezero@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "There are four types of hats to be aware of: Black, White, Grey and Red. The meanings are: Cracker, Hacker, Guru and Victim. [22:42] actually i did find out... when mkfs refused to format it "device is in use by the system, will not make a filesystem on it"... thats kind of a clue :P [22:42] what he was saying and what he really wanted was on complete different sides [22:43] no, i actually got what he wanted [22:43] he was just not exceptionally bright at getting the *real* problem across.. [22:43] macavity when he first started he said he was trying to install slackware on it. [22:43] that changed to he installed slackware, [22:43] he *had been trying to* [22:44] and then to he could not mount it. [22:44] all well [22:45] well i am at 4.7gb 1gb left to go. then on to my 110 gb of music to transfer [22:45] FTP going faster? [22:46] aobut to try ftp with the music [22:46] Anyone know how to make a gold pattern in the GIMP? [22:47] no, but i know how to make a golden shower with the... ermm... never mind :P [22:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-154.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:49] macavity: I know how *you* do it.. You lay down and say "Let 'er rip big boy!" [22:49] hahahah [22:49] herbert123456 (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-93-233.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] macavity: just read that lftp can be used with sftp [22:50] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.164.15.139) joined ##slackware. [22:50] macavity: u better what it if straterra is around o boy [22:50] Nick change: bimoseptyop -> Guest37858 [22:51] Guest37858 (n=bimosept@120.164.15.139) left irc: Client Quit [22:51] herbert123456 (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-93-233.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [22:54] lotec: i think the biggest difference between me and straterra is that 9 out of 10 times my self censorship actually kicks in ;-) [22:54] macavity: lol [22:56] wow cruncheee rocks :) [22:56] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:57] macavity it does appear ftp is moving them faster [22:58] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-154.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [22:58] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-154.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:58] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-154.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [23:00] lotec: in my tests FTP and NFS are the fastest things going [23:00] each have their merits and flaws [23:00] macavity: I like to transfer the bit one at a time via a magnet. [23:00] yea about 32 min to copy 110 gb [23:01] and the time keeps droping fast. so this might actually be much faster [23:01] is that 100mb? [23:01] doesnt it show the actual throughput? [23:02] no just gives me a time [23:02] what DE is that? [23:02] no speed indication [23:02] XFCE? [23:02] KDE [23:02] O_O [23:02] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.99) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] using gftp [23:02] ah [23:02] in vmware at that [23:03] RatPoison [23:03] i just do stuff like that with konqueror [23:03] nulboy no 110gb [23:03] gftp has got to be the gheiest ftp client known to man, but it does the job [23:03] it has nice ftp integration [23:03] lotec: bandwidth? [23:03] local [23:03] 100mb or 1000mb? [23:03] ... [23:03] ... [23:03] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-154.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:04] o 100 [23:04] uptime [23:04] s/mb/Mbit [23:04] i dont have a gb network so it has to run on 100 [23:04] could be 10 [23:04] i have the qnap puged into my wrt54G [23:05] moving a little to quick for 10 [23:05] 61% complete [23:05] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [23:05] 931 total files [23:06] as i was 115.4gb total /music [23:06] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] [4a-52-4d] (n=Rogue@cpe-75-85-240-242.bak.res.rr.com) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?" [23:07] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [23:10] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:31] like [23:32] is it possible to use turn the /home partition of Ubuntu into Slackware's without losing any data? [23:32] I'll create a new username for /home though [23:32] is /home a seperate partition from / [23:32] if /home is on its own partition.. sure [23:33] Dominian, it's on a separate partition. thanks [23:33] no problem [23:33] as long as it is its own partition you can keep /home as long as you don't format it hehe [23:33] hey i have 5.1 and it works great just that every time i reboot and log back in i have to reset my volume levels for my center, rears, subwoofer, etc. is there anyway to save the settings. i dont really care which mixer i have to use as long as it works. thanks [23:34] SM177Y: alsamixer.. set your levels [23:34] then exit out using Esc. [23:34] then: alsactl store [23:34] that should store the settings and on restart or startup it should restore them automatically [23:34] Dominian, do I mount it /home during cfdisk phase or somewhere else? I cant remember all the steps but there must be one for doing that, right? [23:34] alright i give it a go. thx :) [23:34] IntangibleLiquid: just don't format it.. you can specify to mount it as /home though [23:35] ok [23:35] In fact, I just did that.. reinstalling my box here at home.. after adding another drive to it [23:35] second Q: is lilo very different from Grub? I'm used to Grub, still booting Slackware from Grub :) [23:35] its a bit different. [23:35] I like lilo much better than grub.. I just know it.. works for me [23:36] you can use whatever youre preference is though [23:36] ok, i like changing stuffs so i'll play with lilo this time, will bug you should anything happen :) [23:36] lilo fan myself :D [23:36] well time for a reboot and see if my audio levels stay true :D [23:37] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "[BX] I theenk I need a beeger box!" [23:37] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=chatzill@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [23:37] thanks god I saved all the slackbuilds packages [23:37] otherwise building the system from CD1 will take days [23:37] heh [23:38] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [23:38] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.36.123) left irc: "Leaving" [23:38] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=chatzill@201.20.64.142) left ##slackware. [23:39] Action: foureyes779 plays with irssi themes [23:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-154.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:41] bono (i=bono@118-160-170-170.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:42] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=chatzill@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [23:44] macavity: well i found a better option to both ftp and smb transfering [23:45] http? [23:45] lotec: how you doin with that new system ? [23:45] nope USB [23:46] pluged it in and the damn thing auto mounted :D [23:46] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] so i am using cp :D [23:46] lotec: doh. [23:47] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:47] lotec: that was simple... albeit USB speeds are not always the best [23:47] yea. i treid it earllier but it did not mount. guess i am just not giving it enought time. [23:47] thumbs quicker them using smb or ftp though [23:47] arguable. [23:48] on 100Mbit that is :P [23:48] then, no consumer hard drive can push 100mbit anyway [23:48] with USB, your bottleneck is the BUS [23:49] did you just say that no consumer hard drive can push 100Mbit (12.8MB/s)? [23:49] qoes1 (n=qoes1@125.163.141.223) left ##slackware. [23:49] I just did. [23:49] thats odd.. mine does 50MB/s [23:50] internally, it'll buffer it. But it won't hold. [23:50] are those reads, or writes? [23:50] bono (i=bono@220-136-228-204.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] and when it is in a USB enclosure i get 25MB/s sustained [23:50] the 50MB/s is the hdparm value [23:51] its just a regular 7200RPM laptop drive [23:51] I'll redo testing at work, but I never maxed out my 100mbit connection [23:51] 1Gbit net is another story :P [23:52] i consistanly get better performance with USB.. no matter how lowlife the external drive is, it always yeilds more than network transfere [23:52] network here always being 100Mbit [23:53] well i cant tell what it is transfering at but. from what i can tell about half done. [23:54] w000t [23:55] macavity: I might be mistaken. But I never had good success with USB connectivity [23:55] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:55] lotec: \time dd if=/mnt/usb/hugeHDpronmovie.avi of=/home/lotec/hugeHDpronmovie.avi bs=10M [23:55] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [23:56] lotec: then devide to get the acutal throughput :P [23:56] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=chatzill@201.20.64.142) left ##slackware. [23:56] ill do that macavity [23:56] thumbs: seriously? less than ~10MB/s via USB?!? [23:57] macavity: could be a bad USB port [23:57] jebus i wish i would of ran this cp in a screen so i could close it [23:58] thumbs: USB2.0 is *theoretically* at 480Mbit iirc... with a fast CPU and a USB controler that actually does DMA you should be able to pull at least half of that if the disk can yeild it [23:59] macavity: I understand that [23:59] macavity: see the bad USB port theory [00:00] --- Sat Jan 3 2009