[00:00] Urchlay: see, what'd I tell ya, died on the first level in the theater. ran out of ammo and the bad guys started flying. I Fail. :P [00:01] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "while I go in seek of rest and it will likely elude me I will wake and drive on" [00:03] nah [00:04] you just gotta remember where the secret bit is [00:04] Action: firebird619 racks his brain. c'mon man, think. :P [00:05] echo "1 > /proc/brain ? ;) [00:05] haha, if only that would work. [00:06] wooot, got the shotgun. [00:07] want a hint? [00:07] yes please. [00:07] OK, you see the billboard sign near where you start the level that says "Innocent?" [00:07] do flash USB sticks have the same type of 'memory' that harddrives do? like, if I want to REALLY delete a file on a harddrive, I have to wright 0's over the file multiple times. Is that nessesary in flash memory or would it just be wasting time and write cycles? [00:07] if you can get up there, there's a rocket launcher [00:08] Urchlay: ok, thanks. [00:08] also, if you're looking at the sign, the building on your left has a window you can jump through, to get some rocket ammo [00:08] stealth-: one shot of zeros is all you need [00:09] stealth-: especially for flash media [00:09] antiwire: okay, thanks [00:09] crush the USB drive to a powder, then snort the powder. It's the only way to be sure. [00:09] I dont need to be THAT sure :P [00:09] its not like im stealing government files [00:10] Action: stealth- looks around nervously [00:11] stealth-: hard disks use magnetics which is a different method of storing data than flash. Even with hard disks, most data recovery operations will be halted by a single pass of zeros. The only people you'd need to worry about getting data off of a zeroed hard disk are lab with a magnetoscope. [00:12] antiwire: cool, I thought harddisks had to be written over around 3 to 4 times to stop ever small companies from being able to do it. Thanks for the info [00:12] *even small companies [00:12] stealth-: I have yet to talk to anyone who has managed to pull data off of a zeroed disk. [00:14] awwww..... eduke32 isnt in ubuntu respritories. Guess I'll be sticking to sauerbraten... [00:14] if anyone is interested, here is the special technique http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_microscopy [00:14] Eli Lilly doesn't format their hard drives when they sell off their old equipment [00:14] They have a much faster, easier method [00:15] Urchlay: got the rocket launcher :D [00:15] They take a drill with a drill bit to the top of the hard drive and shatter the platters [00:15] br0din (n=vector@125.161.130.237) joined ##slackware. [00:15] haha that will do it [00:15] don't they make a hard drive shreader? [00:15] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Well [00:16] The big shredders have no problem with hard drives [00:16] not specifically for hard drives..but..yeah [00:16] One of my uncles does work as a shredder..documents, hard drives, etc [00:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYPCPB1g3o [00:17] firebird619: careful with that thing, I keep killing myself with it [00:17] used to the quake 3 rocket launcher, which is less deadly [00:17] haha, ok. [00:17] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [00:18] Urchlay: any hints to where the red access card is? [00:18] in the arcade [00:18] errr, wait, that's where the red door is [00:19] can you believe I can't remember? [00:19] yeah. :P [00:19] look in the bar [00:19] Lumak (n=Lumak@ip68-227-245-180.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] wait, level 1? [00:19] I'm already on E2L8 [00:19] lol [00:19] antiwire: yeah, level 1 [00:20] Urchlay: whoops. rocket launcher fail. [00:20] oh, it's in the projection booth [00:22] k, I have to get back there, I killed myself, remember. :P [00:23] bind your right mouse button to "quick kick", so if you get jumped while carrying the RPG, you won't have to shoot the guy at pointblank range [00:23] (kick him instead) [00:23] good idea. [00:23] at least I remember too how to switch guns. [00:23] man.. The Happening... messed up movie [00:23] i did a fresh install of slack 12.2, downloaded the Nvidia driver off their page, now when i do "glxinfo|grep rendering" it returns "no display" [00:23] unfortunately this version of duke fixes the bug in the original DOS game where you could kick with both feet at once :( [00:24] dyn0myt3: Did you configure xorg.conf to use the nvidia driver? [00:24] oh man, I blew up a fire extinguisher and went from 100 to 39 health. :( [00:24] :) [00:24] well i ran it before and after the video card driver install, that should do it ? [00:24] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:24] dyn0myt3: ran what? [00:25] i thought u meant xorg config [00:25] well xorgconfig may not know about the nviida driver [00:25] Dominian: so i guess the answer is no. [00:25] You need to change the display driver to nvidia in your xorg.conf [00:26] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.68) left irc: "Leaving" [00:29] Dominian: how do I tell it that ? [00:29] morning [00:29] morning frullet, how are you? [00:29] Urchlay: It won't bind to the right mouse button. [00:29] firebird619: it will, but you have to do it from "mouse setup" [00:30] I've died 3 times now. [00:30] you're probably on the key bindings screen, which won't notice mouse button presses (they aren't keys...) [00:30] haha, :P. [00:31] firebird619: doin well you [00:31] frullet: doing excellent, thanks. 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[00:38] you know about the movie screen? [00:38] as far as the movie that plays? sure do. [00:38] shoot it [00:38] shoot a rocket at the screen (hit the girl right in the koochie) [00:38] eh, kick out the glass first [00:39] what game is this? [00:39] duke3d [00:39] eh [00:39] where?! [00:39] Urchlay: antiwire: seriously? [00:39] eduke32 on SBo [00:39] ah [00:39] Don't you need a license for that or something? [00:39] uva (i=bno@118-160-166-237.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] the game engine's GPL [00:39] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Network is unreachable [00:39] the shareware data files are free to download & use [00:40] (there's a slackbuild to extract the data file from the shareware download zipfile and stick it where the game can find it) [00:41] eh, or you can use the duke3d.grp file off your duke nukem 3d cd, if you have one [00:41] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [00:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] I'll have to see if it will compile on slackware64 [00:41] it will [00:42] although not the version packaged up on SBo right now (update is in the pending queue) [00:42] woot, got that one completed. [00:42] 11:42 time. [00:42] Urchlay: any patches? [00:42] missed 7 secrets, dang. [00:42] 12 minutes is a long time to finish level 1, even for me :) [00:42] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Urchlay: sure, rub it in why don't ya. :P [00:43] Urchlay: did you get all the secrets? [00:43] Entering Red Light District. [00:43] rk4n3_ (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [00:43] eh [00:44] Dominian: nah. Get the latest source snapshot, change the slackbuild to suit (some of the files got moved around inside the zip file, takes a bit of fiddling, nothing fancy tho) [00:44] feinom_ (n=feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [00:44] stunix_ (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [00:44] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [00:44] Oh man, L.A.R.D. shot me. [00:44] I did get all the secrets, but not the first time thru the level (and someone had to show me half of them a couple years ago) [00:44] oye I'll mess with it later [00:44] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] why doesn't space restart the level? [00:45] dunno. Is that your "open door" key? [00:45] no, E is open [00:45] Oh, space is jump. :P [00:45] E to restart level then [00:45] that works. thanks. [00:46] my keybinds are weird, I use arrows to move/strafe, right ctrl for open, rightshift = jump, right alt = crouch, [ ] Enter for inventory [00:46] (left-handed mouse user, so right hand on the keyboard) [00:47] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [00:48] darn L.A.R.D. in flying aircraft. [00:48] those are hard to take down with the pistol [00:48] also the chaingun sucks against them [00:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] good tidings to all and to all a good night! [00:48] hey antler [00:48] shotgun's good... rockets are good too, if you can actually hit 'em [00:48] hi firebird619 :) [00:48] antler [00:48] how are you doing? hey Urchlay :) [00:49] feinoM (n=feinom@svale.hia.no) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:49] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: Connection timed out [00:49] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-176-206-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:49] Urchlay: are you talking about doom? :P [00:49] duke nukem 3d [00:49] rockets and shotguns... [00:49] ah [00:49] good guess though :) [00:49] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:50] i assume this should not say generic after i run the setup. http://pastebin.com/d5ac25110 [00:50] i've never tried duke nukem... heard good things, though [00:51] woot, got the shotgun in the magazine place. [00:51] dyn0myt3: the Identifier is just a human-readable label that gets printed in the log file [00:51] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-166-237.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:51] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] dyn0myt3: you can make it say "pickles and ice cream", xorg doesn't care :) [00:52] the important bit is the next line, 'Driver "nvidia"', which is correct for the proprietary nvidia driver [00:52] ok im missing something, otherwise it wouldnt say 'no display' after running "glxinfo|grep rendering" [00:52] Pickles and Ice Cream? Yum! [00:52] no display... [00:52] polski ogorkis..... [00:52] eh, you're not running glxinfo when X isn't running are you? [00:53] no [00:53] dominian: http://www.hulu.com/watch/28434/national-geographic-channel-need-for-speed [00:53] how about a 350mhp diesel? [00:53] cha...cha...cha....chaingun. :) [00:53] dyn0myt3: can you pastebin the entire output of glxinfo (leave off the |grep part) [00:54] hm [00:54] firebird619: Duke's favorite david bowie song? [00:54] hard to do from the console, it just says "no display' [00:54] uhm [00:54] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] one sec i try it. [00:54] firebird619: test your skills by going up against them with your fists... [00:54] you're running glxinfo from the console? It's meant to be run from within X [00:54] antler: Oh gosh no, I'd die. [00:54] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:55] gahh [00:55] Urchlay: heh, not sure. [00:55] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] antler: I've died with a friggen shotgun and you want me to fist fight?!? :P [00:55] ok [00:55] man, no other game ever had anything like the Doom/Doom2 Berzerk Pack [00:56] loved using that thing in deathmatch. Punch your friend and watch him turn into a bloody mess... [00:56] man doom's soooo classic... [00:56] http://pastebin.com/d62e524b1 [00:56] firebird619: hahah [00:56] dyn0myt3: you should be running glxinfo from within your X session. Like from an xterm or konsole or whatever [00:56] k [00:57] # [00:57] direct rendering: Yes <--- looks like success to me [00:57] "A chainsaw! Find some meat!" [00:58] k im just tryin to understand, why does it return "no display" when i use grep rendering command [00:58] if you were running it in a console (outside your X session) before, then that's why [00:58] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [01:00] Urchlay: memories dude... :P [01:00] gotta say that doom 3 or 3d or whatever doesn't compare :D [01:01] john666 (n=jonathas@201-74-200-122-am.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:01] supergear_ (n=supergea@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [01:01] Urchlay: ok, now when I press escape for the menu, I can't move up or down to save. [01:01] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-16.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:02] Nick change: john666 -> j0hn [01:02] j0hn (n=jonathas@201-74-200-122-am.cpe.vivax.com.br) left ##slackware. [01:03] supergear_ (n=supergea@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:03] firebird619: are you playing in windows? wine? what's the scoop? :P [01:03] superGear (n=supergea@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] firebird619: using arrow keys or your bound up/down keys? [01:03] antler: eduke32 slackbuild from SBo [01:04] for some reason it's gotten very popular in the past day or two [01:04] (which makes me happy) [01:04] Urchlay: I've tried arrow keys (which I bound to move forward, backward, etc. and the numpad arrows, etc. nothing. [01:04] odd. Try the mouse? [01:04] yup, no dice. [01:04] very odd [01:05] it just started doing this, or it never worked? [01:05] just started. [01:05] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:05] dunno... clicking the window doesn't help I guess [01:05] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-16.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] Urchlay: nope. [01:05] Hey Camarade_Tux [01:06] hi firebird619 :) [01:06] Urchlay: know what the command in it would be to save? [01:06] firebird619: eh, like one of the F-keys I think... I always use the menu to save, so not sure [01:07] Camarade_Tux: hey [01:07] firebird619: if you hit escape again, to get back into the game, does the keyboard work OK there? [01:07] yeah [01:08] hm. I'm stumped then. [01:08] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:08] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:08] Camarade_Tux: remember we were talking about eduke32 stealing the keyboard/mouse focus? [01:10] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Urchlay, hi, yeah, I remember that [01:10] Urchlay: command is quicksave [01:11] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:11] night all enjoy the game [01:11] night Rat409 [01:11] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [01:12] brb [01:12] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [01:13] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:13] back [01:13] wb [01:13] How's it going Camarade_Tux? How's your eye? [01:13] dyn0myt3: thanks [01:14] fortune: QOTD: "You're so dumb you don't even have wisdom teeth." [01:15] Camarade_Tux: if you're in fullscreen mode, hit alt-enter to get to windowed... when you're in windowed mode, hit ` (backtick) to bring up the in-game console... which will free up the mouse pointer too [01:15] firebird619, seems ok, if I don't touch it, it's ok but it's still sensitive [01:16] Urchlay, hmmm, nice :) [01:16] Urchlay: I had forgotten how fun that game is, save the getting killed part. [01:16] Camarade_Tux: Hmm, hope it gets better. [01:16] you must have scratched it or something. :P [01:16] firebird619: trying to see if I can actually beat the "3drealms time" on level 1 [01:16] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:16] it's something crazy like 50 seconds [01:16] Urchlay: sweet, good luck. [01:17] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-19-129-196.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] think there are a total of 20 rounds for the RPG on that level [01:17] but I keep shooting pig cops from like 2 feet away, and killing myself [01:17] haha [01:17] Urchlay, that's terrible ! now I can play duke nukem and do irc at the same time, my life is over ! =P [01:17] it's hard to get used to that weapon. [01:18] Camarade_Tux: haha [01:19] :) [01:20] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.163) joined ##slackware. [01:20] lol [01:20] there was a wolf sexing it up with the alpha males daughter [01:20] and they become locked together for 30 min LOL [01:20] but he barely got untangled as he was getting laid [01:21] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Client Quit [01:22] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:22] lol, it showed wolf killing i forgot what animal [01:22] the friends are looking on, one is pissing out shit LOL [01:23] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [01:23] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Client Quit [01:24] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:29] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] hmmm. looks like you *must* go to the projection room, either to get the red key, or else because it's the only way to shoot out the movie screen & get the jetpack [01:29] if you have the jetpack, you don't need the key [01:30] I didn't find the jetpack [01:30] but the key is in the projection room [01:31] superGear (n=supergea@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:32] ok remember I'm not a gamer, and I've never played this before. ;) to get into the theatre, do you have to kick the door in or what? [01:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-085-252.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] chopp: press e near the door to open. [01:32] firebird619: thanks. :) [01:32] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:32] the jetpack is behind the movie screen [01:33] chopp: no. [01:33] err. np [01:33] :P [01:33] Urchlay: Ah, ok. [01:33] I just made it thru level 1 in 2:36, but I spent a good 30 seconds running around in circles trying to remember which door to go through [01:33] hahah i like that... "kick the door in" :P [01:33] Urchlay: btw, thanks for maintaining eduke32. [01:33] grab jetpack, turn around, run to end of hallway, kick out the glass, jump out the window [01:33] antler: That'd be a cool way, bust down the door. :P [01:34] when you land, jetpack up to the catwalk, the level exit is right there [01:34] firebird619: way cool [01:34] firebird619: welcome. I'm glad people are playing it, makes my day (seriously, I was having a crappy day before...) [01:35] err, what the heck. nothing will open, not a terminal, not anything. [01:36] you accidentally loaded constipiz, and now it's, eh, backed up? [01:36] hahaha [01:36] this sucks. [01:36] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host194-82-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:36] brb, I gotta restart. [01:36] bummar [01:36] something is majorly wrong with /tmp, I just don't know what. [01:36] anyway, brb. [01:37] other than it being full or having wrong permissions, what else is likely to go wrong? [01:37] I don't know. Seems like perms issues though. usually when this happens, I can at least open a terminal and then run whatever from there and see a Permission Denied error on some file in /tmp [01:38] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:38] brb [01:38] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [01:40] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-16.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:44] gaah. Level 1 in 1:44. "Par Time" is 1:45, "3D Realms" time is 53 seconds. WTF... [01:45] trying to beat their times is just askin to get shot lol [01:45] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.98.130.133) left irc: "Saliendo" [01:46] there's enough health that getting shot a little doesn't matter I guess [01:46] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:46] but I dunno how anyone could manage it in 53 seconds, even in god mode [01:46] (unless god mode also gives you a jetpack) [01:47] go get a 10 year old i bet they could set a new record [01:47] my 7yo has been telling me he knows how to play tanks on wii and trying to "improve my shooting" :) [01:48] "my" meaning me [01:48] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-16.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] superGear (n=supergea@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:53] LATE ! [01:53] back [01:53] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:53] fbird: level 1 in 1 minute 44 sec [01:53] sweet [01:54] "par" time is 1:45, I wonder where they got that number. I had to haul ass and not get all the items/secrets or even kill all the enemies [01:54] lol [01:54] Ugh, I'm trying to build an irssi nightly and failing. [01:55] Urchlay: How can I fix these /tmp permission errors? For example: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/.X11-unix/X0"}, 110) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) [01:57] rrr, find out what's changing its permission, stop it happening... I can't remember if I ever got exactly that error [01:57] how can I do that? A command I'm sure, but which one? [01:57] next time it happens, "ls -l /tmp/.X11-unix/X0" [01:57] see who owns it and what the permissions are [01:58] srwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2009-06-02 00:39 /tmp/.X11-unix/X0= [01:58] It's happening now again, I just restarted the pc. [01:58] hm [01:58] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:58] well on my working system: srwxrwxrwx 1 root users 0 2009-05-26 16:35 /tmp/.X11-unix/X0= [01:59] I'm getting it with anything I try to start from cli. I'm using strace program_name_here and that's where I see these permission denied errors [01:59] you shouldn't have to reboot the whole box if that happens, should be enough to kill X and startx again [01:59] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:59] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] ah, you know about strace, good [01:59] Urchlay: ok, but still, something is wrong. [01:59] well yeah [01:59] you don't use sudo to run GUI programs as root do you? [02:00] I need to figure out what the heck is wrong, this is crazyness. [02:00] no [02:00] (not that that should cause the problem you're having anyway) [02:00] temporary fix: sudo chmod 777 srwxrwxrwx 1 root users 0 2009-05-26 16:35 /tmp/.X11-unix/X0= [02:00] agh [02:00] temporary fix: sudo chmod 777 /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 [02:01] but that's just a band-aid. I wonder wtf's going on... [02:01] yeah, a band-aid for a gaping wound. [02:01] when you first start an X session, while everything's OK, ls -l /tmp/.X11-unix/X0, it should match mine [02:02] ok [02:02] but... only the X server should be creating/modifying the X0 socket [02:03] hm, didn't you have /tmp on a tmpfs, or was that someone else? [02:03] I did, but then I took it off. [02:03] ls -ld /tmp [02:04] drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 20480 2009-06-02 00:53 /tmp/ [02:04] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:04] and is that just a directory off /, or is it a mount point? [02:04] I did that chmod line, now it complains of another file. [02:04] Urchlay: just a dir off / [02:04] OK, so it's not a bad mount option [02:05] /dev/root 114G 39G 69G 36% / [02:05] and / is by no means near full. [02:05] hm. Now is when I wish I knew more about inotify. It's a kernel mechanism that "watches" files and can send an alert when a file changes (I think including permissions) [02:05] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:05] but there needs to be a daemon to receive the alerts, and I dunno if there is a generic one, or what it might be called [02:06] yeah, I've heard of that, but have no idea about it myself either. [02:06] hmmm, "man inotifywatch" [02:06] hul646 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [02:07] but that just shows statistics, you need to know at least the PID and hopefully more information about the process(es) that make the change [02:07] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:08] yeah, that is interesting though, inotifywatch [02:09] Hmm, I'm just thinking, when I first restarted, it was fine until I tried compiling something again, thus I was in a terminal as root via su. Would that somehow be the culprit. [02:09] a rogue chmod command maybe? [02:09] Not sure, I tried compiling irssi again. [02:10] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:10] OK, this is crude but maybe helpful: [02:11] The only thing in the irssi slackbuild is chown -R root:root . This is the slackware slackbuild, I wouldn't think that'd mess things up. [02:11] inotifywait -e attrib /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 ; ps auxwww [02:12] that'll sit & wait until the permissions change, then show all processes running... with any luck you'll be able to spot which one it was [02:12] watches established. :) [02:12] k, should I do anything to try and "invoke" the change? [02:12] try your irssi compile again I guess [02:12] k [02:12] if that's what you suspect is the culprit [02:13] (where'd you get that slackbuild btw?) [02:13] Well, that's what I was trying to compile when this happened at least, could be coincidence, but I don't know. I'll try it. This issue has to get resolved eventually, and it won't without detective work. [02:14] got the slackbuild from slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/whichever_series_it's_in. I forgot. :P [02:14] did you have to modify it any other than changing the irssi version? [02:14] no [02:14] whoa, inotify spit out a time when running the slackbuild. [02:15] s/time/ton/ [02:16] you know what, add a "set -e" line to that slackbuild before all the commands that actually do stuff [02:17] I bet the 'cd irssi-$DIRCD' is failing, which means the current directory will be $TMP (aka /tmp) when the chown and giant find...chmod stuff runs [02:17] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:18] ...at least, that would cause the exact symptoms you're having [02:19] (eh, I'm actually looking at the irssi.SlackBuild from 64-current, but I bet it's the same) [02:19] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:19] Good night boys and girls and JPH [02:20] Urchlay: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14420 <--inotify output. [02:20] I did that in elinks no less. that's all I can get to. [02:20] night superGear [02:21] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:21] # [02:21] root 4484 0.0 0.0 2328 832 pts/2 R+ 01:13 0:00 find . -perm 666 -exec chmod 644 {} ; <--- that looks like it might be it [02:22] eh, wish I knew how to get ps to show the current directory of a process (if it even can) [02:22] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] seriously though, add that "set -e" to the slackbuild, run it again, it should stop with an error instead of running amok on your /tmp [02:23] Urchlay, lsof can. [02:23] ohhh, right, why did I not think of that [02:24] brb [02:26] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-020223c425868458) joined ##slackware. [02:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:27] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] inotifywait -e attrib /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 && lsof |grep '^chmod.*cwd' <--- ought to show you the directory where the chmod command was run [02:28] i hate my internet [02:29] you should divorce it [02:29] find a new internet [02:29] one that's more sensitive to your unique needs [02:30] i agree [02:30] ok, back [02:30] Hey nix_chix0r, how are you? [02:31] Urchlay: good point in all this, I know how to past, etc. in elinks. :P [02:31] s/past/paste/ [02:32] good [02:32] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.61.147) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Urchlay: ok, ran that inotifywait command, run the slackbuild again? [02:32] i had to bitch out my ISP for 3 months before I was able consider my interwebz acceptable to my needs [02:32] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-144-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] firebird619: yeah [02:32] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [02:33] but I expect we already know what it's going to say [02:33] it just returned: /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 ATTRIB [02:33] bleah, there's no way to rocket-jump in duke3d, is there? [02:33] well crap. That'd mean the chmod command already exited before lsof got around to listing it [02:33] did you add the "set -e" to the slackbuild already? [02:34] no [02:34] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.15) joined ##slackware. [02:34] do that and try again. [02:34] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:35] yeah [02:35] the slackbuild I think will fail with "no such file or directory" [02:35] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:35] which means it needs fixing, to work with whatever irssi snapshot you're using [02:35] It already does, for whatever reason it doesn't see the tarball. [02:36] k, added set -e. It errors out like before, No such file or directory. [02:36] firebird619, have you heard of sean kingston [02:37] yeah, but this time it shouldn't have changed your /tmp's permissions [02:37] wait, you mean, it already was erroring out? [02:37] nix_chix0r: yeah, I like his latest song, can't think of the name of it though. [02:37] Urchlay: yeah, it can't find the tarball, even though it's right there. [02:37] i only have his 07 album because the new one i wasn't sure how rea it would be on bittorrent [02:37] why am I not smacking you over the head with a UNIX manual or something? :) [02:37] What am I doing wrong? [02:37] i have it on the surround sound and the baby is still passed out [02:38] eh, well, I dunno what's wrong with your script but, you coulda told me you were seeing errors when you ran it [02:38] Urchlay: I thought I had mentioned that before, but if I didn't, I apologize. [02:38] Action: nix_chix0r dances [02:39] is OK, nix_chix0r's dancing has distracted me from my wrath... [02:39] In that case, thank you nix_chix0r [02:39] Action: firebird619 listens to LP - New Divide [02:40] now, make sure your permissions aren't still hosed... the "set -e" tells bash "abort at the first error instead of continuing to run", which means you can safely hack on the script while running X without that particular problem happening again [02:41] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:41] drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 20480 2009-06-02 01:35 /tmp/ [02:41] the cd command will fail, stopping the evil chmod stuff from ever getting a chance to run. Make sense? [02:41] yes [02:42] I need to figure out why cd is failing, why it isn't seeing that tarball [02:42] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:42] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-085-252.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:43] what's your tarball called? [02:43] Oh man, I figured it out. [02:43] hm? [02:43] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [02:44] Greetings [02:44] salutations [02:44] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-53-28-34.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:44] firebird619: you changed VERSION without noticing this script has that DIRCD variable? [02:46] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.26.221) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:47] no, what happened is, I put 20090524 for Version, which is the name of the tarball, however upon untarring the tarball, it creates irssi-0.8.13, which I put for DIRCD. The tar command in the slackbuild is using tar irssi-$VERSION, where it needs to be tar irssi-0.8.13 which I have for DIRCD. [02:48] err, wait, I think I said that backwards or something, either way, I know how to fix it. [02:48] cool [02:48] Action: The-Croupier is feeeling so nerdie today that hes making little scripts [02:49] Urchlay: thanks for your help, time and patience. [02:49] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:49] WOOOOT, now it's working. :) [02:50] xcf795 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] Nick change: xcf795 -> mms918 [02:50] groovy [02:50] I can *not* seem to get thru that level in less than a minute 40 [02:51] you're doing it wrong. :P [02:51] try harder. :P [02:51] apparently so [02:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) joined ##slackware. [02:51] if the steroids powerup actually made you jump higher, I could get through it in under a minute I think [02:51] i'll paint the walls with you guys [02:51] probably so [02:51] hey antiwire, how's it going? [02:51] all good! [02:52] Action: nix_chix0r breakdances to sean kingston [02:52] we used to have duke nukem death matches across the whole highschool campus over IPX [02:52] people still remember how to breakdance? [02:52] nix_chix0r does apparently [02:53] I thought that was a lost art, like making tallow candles or buggy whips.. [02:53] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:53] with my zebra striped zubas [02:53] antiwire:I bet that was fun. [02:53] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] heck yea [02:53] those and shrinkydinks [02:54] I'm still rusty with my duke nukem skillz. I shall get better. [02:54] br0din (n=vector@125.161.130.237) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:54] antiwire: my old house was set up with 5 boxes on a lan, we didn't have as many players as a high school... but we were all in the same room so we could yell at each other [02:54] and/or throw things [02:54] br0din (n=vector@125.161.150.47) joined ##slackware. [02:55] gah i was hoping that mansons new album would be better than the last [02:55] back then nobody knew about mouselook (maybe duke3d for dos didn't even have it) [02:55] hey speaking of shrinkydinks i have an interesting one; get a normal bottle of water, the plastic kind...like aquafina or arrowhead. drink all the water and put the cap back on tight. put the bottle in the empty sink. boil a couple quarts of water and pour the boiling water over the empty plastic water bottle. [02:55] uva (i=bno@118-160-166-237.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:56] roorah_ (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:56] antiwire, i used to stick chip bags in the oven and poke a hole in them and make keychains [02:56] antiwire: In my high school days, most people downloaded and played gta, whatever version it was with only the above (looking down) view of everything. [02:57] in highschool i played with my casio [02:57] -_- [02:57] casio keyboard? [02:58] calculator ugh [02:58] haha [02:58] nix_chix0r: mathematician? :P [02:58] my high school, the closest thing we had to a LAN was a lab full of IBM PCjrs... with the crappy wireless keyboards. I found out one keyboard could control more than one PCjr, which was kinda like a primitive ssh or remote desktop... [02:58] Urchlay: the new irssi is now built and installed. [02:58] fark no im horrible at math, i played games [02:59] nix_chix0r: haha, same here, I'm horrible at math. I was good in high school with it, reading the book and figuring the stuff out, but now I'm terrible. I went through high school in the calculator era, some tests it was even mandatory we used a calculator to make sure we knew how to use one. [03:00] before I went there, that high school had some kind of network-like arrangement whereby there was a server that took up half an office, and a bunch of client pc-like things... with file sharing that emulated the cassette drive (!) on the client machines [03:00] Urchlay: Ah crap, it wiped my .irssi clean, I forgot to back it up. Good thing it was pretty much a basic config. [03:00] Urchlay, dont lie. you were there when they installed those! you're 80 [03:00] br0din (n=vector@125.161.150.47) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:01] br0din (n=vector@125.161.142.45) joined ##slackware. [03:01] <|ast|> slackware64 not support grub in ftp...//slackware64-current... [03:01] Urchlay: my high school used all iMac's. The translucent colored ones, blue, red, etc. [03:02] i have no idea how to fill out my damn IRA form [03:04] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [03:04] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-187-163.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:05] jeev: actually the original installation was done with the new-fangled Analytical Engine, by Mr. Babbage. It was a nice upgrade from using an abacus, but the server room got really hot & smoky due to all the burning coal [03:05] also you had to watch out or you'd get a nasty burn from touching pipes that carried boiling steam [03:07] I forget now, in vim, how is it I go to a specific line? [03:07] :30 <--- takes you to line 30 [03:07] k, thank you. [03:07] you do that in command mode, not insert mode... [03:08] I'd be *pissed* if my .irssi/ got wiped, it's pretty funky [03:08] irssi is giving me errors. Error: /home/fbird/.irssi/config:400: Warning: missing ',' Error: /home/fbird/.irssi/config:400: error: unexpected character `=', expected string constant [03:09] you sure it wiped the old config? [03:09] no, it didn't, I mistaking ran it while still as root. :( I FAIL again. [03:09] cause that sounds like its config format changed, and it can't parse your old config... [03:09] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:10] There, fixed it. The line was typed wrong. [03:10] anyway I'm gonna eat & try to pass out [03:10] haha, ok. Later Urchlay [03:11] brb [03:11] ..and if I can't sleep I'll end up playing duke3d some more... [03:11] night [03:11] night Urchlay [03:11] heh, nothing wrong with more duke3d [03:11] antiwire: I see bcopeland stated a few hours ago that ath5k/AP won't be in the regular kernel till .31 :O [03:11] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [03:12] chopp: this is making me very sad. [03:12] i think it is clear now. ath9k. [03:12] chopp: what tracking site do you use? [03:12] mine has been working great with wireless-testing though. [03:13] nini for me too [03:13] antiwire: still hanging in #linux-wireless [03:13] ah [03:14] ALL you damn guys have me hooked on eduke32 now! :P [03:15] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:15] lol [03:15] are you guys using the xxx pack too? [03:15] Hm, I removed ~/.fluxbox, and now my font issues are resolved too. :) [03:16] hmm, xxx [03:17] wow, all my font issues are gone, not just pidgin, but thunar, etc. too. Something in ~/.fluxbox was really messing things up. [03:19] firebird619: are you back using fluxbox? [03:19] chopp: yeah [03:19] and now I got the fonts back to normal, so I'm really happy. [03:19] right on :) [03:19] evenin' everyone [03:20] Hey slackmagic, how's it going? [03:20] peace [03:20] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:21] great, got a great buzz from all the japanese beer I've been having [03:21] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [03:22] what you guys up to? [03:22] about to crash myself. :P [03:23] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [03:26] Ugh, I'm trying to copy a file named menu into ~/.fluxbox, which also contains a folder called menu, so I errors about already exists, etc. how can I avoid that error? [03:26] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:27] br0din (n=vector@125.161.142.45) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:28] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:31] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:32] firebird619: where the heck did the menu directory in .fluxbox come from? [03:32] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:32] chopp: Cann0n gave me his menu setup. [03:32] chopp: I was wondering the same thing, I guess firebird created one to archive backups of his menu file? [03:32] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:33] It's really nice and there's submenu's etc, and each submenu is it's own file in the menu dir. [03:33] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:33] firebird619: mind to tar it up and send it to me? I'd like to take a look at that too please [03:34] haha, ok. [03:34] firebird619: upload it to http://uploads.slackmagic.com/ [03:34] i'll get it from there when it's uploaded [03:34] ok [03:34] brb , another beer [03:35] ok, I got around this issue, I renamed menu dir to submenu and changed the menu file accordingly to point at the right place. [03:35] It worked fine before, I don't know how I did it then. [03:35] \o/ [03:37] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [03:38] lol, I know now, with this setup, I don't put menu in ~/.fluxbox, it stays in ~/.fluxbox/menu. :P [03:38] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] ahh that would explain things. [03:40] indeed it would. [03:41] I'm still on Fluxbox 1.0.0 : (c) 2001-2007 Fluxbox Team rofl, never bothered to update as it's working fine for me [03:41] slackmagic: there ya go. [03:41] firebird619: thanks [03:42] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:42] Nick change: kleanchap_ -> kleanchap [03:42] slackmagic: np [03:42] xfdesktop gives me a segmentation fault... [03:43] what's an alternative? [03:43] I don't want to compile xfce o_o [03:43] (using rworkman's 4.6.1 xfce package atm) [03:43] Lumak (n=Lumak@ip68-227-245-180.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:44] firebird619: I suppose that's a new feature on the newer versions of fluxbox? Fluxbox just automatically reads anything inside a folder "menu"? or will that have to be specifically set in like ~/.fluxbox/init or something? [03:44] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:44] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:45] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:46] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:46] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:46] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-187-163.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:46] whoops [03:47] Ugh, fonts are bad in xfce too. [03:47] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:47] firebird619: I suppose that's a new feature on the newer versions of fluxbox? Fluxbox just automatically reads anything inside a folder "menu"? or will that have to be specifically set in like ~/.fluxbox/init or something? [03:48] its ~/.fluxbox/menu [03:48] firebird619: or do you have to symlink to ~/.fluxbox/menu/menu ? [03:48] Um, I think you have to set it somewhere. I really borked it now, I'm on xfce. [03:48] firebird619: ah ok [03:49] but the newest fluxbox when you compile stuff it adds them by itself you only have to go to ~/.fluxbox/menu to change its place [03:49] a menuconfig file sets it. [03:49] I guess whenever I decide to update fluxbox, I'll have a look at that subdirectory "menu" then [03:49] The-Croupier: good to know [03:49] slackmagic: its a file in .fluxbox/ [03:50] np ;) [03:50] it's not there by default. This is something chess has done. [03:50] The-Croupier: yeah but firebird619 is working with Cannon's fluxbox menu config and it's inside ~/.fluxbox/menu/ [03:50] basically having individual files and calling them up from ~/.fluxbox/menu/menu [03:50] i see ;) nice [03:50] yep [03:51] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) joined ##slackware. [03:51] slackmagic: menuconfig: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14421 [03:51] another 2 beerz and I'm off to hit the sack rofl [03:51] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [03:51] this thing is really giving me a nice buzz [03:52] line=$(xwininfo -root | grep "window id"); echo "${line####* }" --> guys im working on getting only the id...to pass it to root-tail but i cannot get it with this..can anyone spot what the hell is wrong? i just get empty line [03:52] chopp: I went back to the one with bad fonts now, I think it'll be easier to find whatever in.fluxbox is borking fonts. [03:53] firebird619: should be in your specific style/theme [03:53] slackmagic: yeah, looking now. [03:53] firebird619: what's borked? distorted? too large? [03:53] xfce has bad fonts too. [03:53] slackmagic: just not smooth and clear like they should be. [03:53] not antialiased? [03:54] you graphic card maybe? [03:54] The-Croupier: xdpyinfo | grep "window id" or xwininfo [03:54] slackmagic: the bad fonts happened after changing my username and changing /home/username to reflect the change. [03:54] chopp: i know that but i get a full line ... i want only the id part [03:54] firebird619, run fc-cache? [03:54] xfce is having the same issue now I notice, so something is still looking in the old place. [03:54] hey yosii [03:55] firebird619: changed username? or did you create a new username and copied all personal settings over to reflect with new username? [03:55] firebird619: you combined xfce with fluxbox? you using that manager thing in fluxbox? right? [03:55] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [03:56] The-Croupier: yeah [03:56] slackmagic: no, change user name with usermod -l [03:56] I think you're talking about xfce-mcs-manager [03:56] firebird619: ah ok [03:57] The-Croupier: xdpyinfo | grep "window id" will give you only the window id [03:57] no, I have xfce and fluxbox completely separate, I am just on xfce now because I messed up my .fluxbox and so now I see with xfce I have bad fonts too. [03:58] firebird619: create a new user, log in to new user with xfce and see if fonts are still messed up, that way you know it's in the settings or actually "system-wide" ? [03:59] chopp, yes man... it will give me the full line ;) [03:59] slackmagic: haven't done that, but at least with fluxbox, I know it's config settings because when I backed up my nice fluxbox setup and just checked a fresh, non custom ~/.fluxbox setup, the fonts where perfect. [03:59] root window id: 0x1a6 [03:59] i only want the 0x1a6 part [04:00] yosii: yea, I ran that. [04:00] Action: chopp walks away [04:00] not the whole line thus the reading the bash manual for it [04:00] yosii: sorry I didn't respond sooner. [04:00] chopp: :P [04:00] it's ok [04:00] Action: slava_dp wonders how "file" differentiates between "ASCII text" and "ASCII English text" :-/ [04:00] firebird619: if you are in fluxbox and you kill the xfce manager will that fix anything to your flux ? [04:01] The-Croupier: I doubt it, seeing as how I'm not using xfce anything with flux. [04:01] xdpyinfo | grep "window id" | cut -d" " -f9 [04:01] firebird619: you are using the manager though [04:02] The-Croupier, ^^ [04:02] dont loose anything to kill it ones to see ;) [04:02] slava_dp: thanks ill try that... [04:02] The-Croupier: no, not xfce manager either. [04:02] woot, just fixed xfce fonts while in xfce, antialiasing got disabled somehow. [04:02] slava_dp: thanks man, saved me some reading ;) [04:02] Action: The-Croupier still hae to do it though ;) the reading [04:03] hi people, i'm just looking at the linux kernel archives and in the source download page there are a number of patches [04:03] "cut" comes very handy. [04:03] i have installed linux-2.6.29 [04:03] Now if I can just figure out what's borking fluxbox's fonts (something in ~/.fluxbox), all will be well. [04:03] Ah, slava_dp beat me to it :) [04:03] zoran119: what problem are you facing [04:03] zoran119: what is your question, what are you trying to do? [04:04] is linux-2.6.29-4 same as linux-2.6.29 with patch-2.6.29.4 installed [04:04] zoran119: no [04:04] The-Croupier: I was going to suggest xdpyinfo | grep "window id" | awk '{print $4}' but I guess slava_dp's works too [04:04] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:04] init[1], why not? :) [04:04] slackmagic: any other ideas of what in ~/.fluxbox is borking fonts? [04:04] zoran119: i mean the base is same [04:05] 29 and 29.4 [04:05] both are differnt with patch level right? [04:05] init[1]: so u'd install kernel-2.6.29-4 and then apply patch 4 [04:05] no [04:05] zoran119: no [04:05] firebird619: damn,....there was a fontx something ..i dont remember the name that helps reconfigure the fonts in fluxbox [04:05] zoran119: first download the source for .29 [04:05] slackmagic, yeah, i'm not very good at awk, so always use cut :) [04:06] then apply patch for 29.4 [04:06] zoran119: zdravpo [04:06] slava_dp: neither am I :) [04:06] zoran119: why not just get the 2.6.29.4 full source and compile that? [04:06] firebird619: hm, knowing it's a setting somewhere, it's gotta really be just either the init or the theme/style file [04:06] firebird619: he already has 29 [04:06] firebird619: that's what i'm asking... not sure which one is the most recent one and what patches need to installed [04:06] The-Croupier: what difference does it make how you get the window id. put it in your root-tail command such as this: root-tail -id 0x255 -g 800x250+100+50 /var/log/messages,blue -font 6x12 /var/log/secure,red,'ALERT' [04:07] zoran119: listen .. you can apply the patch [04:07] init[1]: yeah I know. When I compile the new kernel, I always get the full source and recompile, I don't use the patchees. [04:07] firebird619: applying patch saves energy and bandwidht [ go green ] :P [04:08] zoran119: the patch and the full source are released at the same time. [04:08] zoran119: if you hav the .29 source the download the patch .29.4 [04:08] init[1]: I have 8 MB cable, I get the full source, I'm not changing. :P [04:08] slackmagic: yeah, I'll check init, I don't see any flaws in the style. [04:08] zoran119: btw patches are small [04:09] i mean in thier size:P [04:09] so if i install linux-2.6.29.4 from scratch or apply patch-2.6.29.4 and i end up with the same thing... right? [04:09] yes [04:09] slackmagic: nothing about fonts at all in init. :P [04:09] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [04:09] firebird619: my guess is antialiased/not antialiased [04:10] zoran119: yes [04:10] firebird619: cool. that simplifies it [04:10] zoran119: :( [04:10] firebird619: 8MB connection ? [04:10] slackmagic: yeah, could be. Where is antialiased set, init? [04:10] firebird619: can you please guess my speed ? [04:11] init[1]: Yes, that's my cable Internet connection speed. [04:11] firebird619: check the apperance [04:11] for 4.6.1 [04:11] init[1]: This is fluxbox, not xfce. [04:11] oops . [04:11] :() [04:11] zoran119, might want to look at http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [04:12] Well, I gotta get going. It's 03:10. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. [04:12] later slackmagic [04:12] see ya chopp [04:12] by yosii [04:12] bye [04:12] zoran119, and at /usr/src/linux/README <-- patching instructions. [04:12] hey is there any site that shows the stat of slackware users [04:12] later slava_dp [04:12] firebird619, later [04:13] firebird619: not sure without googling, have a good night though [04:13] firebird619, later [04:13] zoran119: you will learn something applyimng patch [04:13] slackmagic: ok, thanks. I'll work on it more tomorrow. [04:13] firebird619: 4 lines within a second :) [04:13] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:13] :) [04:13] and slackboy will read you a good night story [04:13] firebird619: bye firefox [04:13] oop firebird619 [04:13] :-D [04:14] bye init[1] [04:14] :P [04:14] hey is there any site that shows the stat of slackware users [04:14] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:14] one such example if you wana see http://s.atn.pl/irc/stats/ircnet/slackware.html [04:15] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "Leaving" [04:16] slava_dp: thanks.... its a good read [04:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [04:16] by the way... do u guys apply all the patches that come out? [04:16] did i miss any message [04:16] zoran119: it depends .. [04:17] zoran119: don't get paranoid :P [04:17] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [04:17] zoran119: first ck the changelogs ,see if your kernel need updation from changlogs [04:17] init[1]: i was running on the stock 12.0 kernel until a few weeks ago.... bad practise? [04:17] if i need some new driver i go and build the latest kernel. if i don't, i stay on the stock generic or even huge one. [04:18] slava_dp: hey y not a custom kernel ? [04:18] Linux xxx 2.6.29.4-xxx #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed May 20 12:36:03 PDT 2009 i686 [04:18] all you get from a custom kernel is some speed improvement and less memory usage. [04:18] slackboy: obvsly [04:18] antiwire, good for you :) [04:19] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:19] Linux xxxx 2.6.29.4xxxx-smp-native-2009-05-30 #22 SMP Sat May 30 22:22:32 2009 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [04:19] wtf i-s up with userfriendly.org? [04:19] Linux slack64 2.6.30-rc6-wl-smp #1 SMP Thu May 21 05:54:56 MDT 2009 x86_64 [04:19] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [04:20] chopp is livin on the edge :) [04:20] chopp: :P [04:20] init[1]: #22 lol [04:21] chopp: whts the problem with #22 ? [04:21] :( [04:21] oh my, haven't noticed #22 :-D O_o lol [04:21] slava_dp: can you explain whats funny abt #22? [04:21] bit curious to know [04:22] init[1], that's the number of times you have rebuilt this kernel :O [04:22] Zordrak: works for me [04:22] uva (n=bno@118-168-236-127.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:23] slava_dp: it need some changes as i had problems with my old .config [04:23] problem was out logic [04:23] *out of [04:24] init[1], never mind us making fun of it :) most people never get higher than #3 or #4 though :) [04:24] chopp: did you use your previous .config ? [04:24] #22 - definitely a winner [04:25] lol [04:25] slava_dp: alisonken1home what could you do if you face problems ..or than rebuilding it ? [04:25] :( [04:25] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:25] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:26] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:26] init[1], i said, never mind. [04:26] dam my disk controlllers . well i hav learned few thing from #22 trials ..:P [04:27] one would hope so :P [04:27] init[1]: don't know, haven't been following the thread. at the office trying to find a replacement server [04:27] chopp: it seems , you just used your old .config :P [04:28] alisonken1noc: never mind :P [04:28] what's wrong with using the old config? [04:28] oldconfig is a base for compiling new config if you change kernel versions [04:28] antiwire: there were some conflicts for me with my old config [04:28] sure .. [04:29] you know about 'make oldconfig' ? [04:29] yes [04:29] newer kernel versions may have some different config options or, depending on how large a difference there is between your old kernel and the new kernel source, there may be some drops/adds that the old config doesn't handle [04:30] especially with some of the possible changes in specific options for drivers [04:30] alisonken1noc: exactly ... [04:30] well if your config is from 2.6.0-rc1 and you try to use it for building 2.6.29, you'll sure get some weirdo stuff ;-) [04:30] follow the book! [04:30] it is free on GKH page, chapter 6-7 configuring new kernel [04:31] not sure but i messed up some of my drivers which worked fine b4 but not in 6.29.4 [04:31] mbohun: nutshell book right .. [04:31] http://www.kroah.com/lkn [04:32] morning. [04:32] oh hai [04:32] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:32] hey btw just wanted to ask this is there any site that shows the stat of slackware users [04:33] i mean if you dowload some daemons and update the stat .. [04:33] 1. decompress new kernel src: tar -jxvf linux-2.6.29.4.tar.bz2 2. cd linux, 3. make defconfig, 4. make menuconfig, 5. and use the ncurses gui to load the old config from previous kernel [04:33] mbohun: i too did the same thing .. problem is thing wont boot up [04:34] sata/ata problem [04:34] oh jesus [04:34] mbohun: :O [04:34] what happend [04:34] well that sounds like you did not build some scsi or sata crap into the kernel [04:35] could you lspci for me darlin? [04:35] mbohun: btw im fine with 29.4 [04:35] im on it now [04:35] wait a sec [04:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host72-237-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:36] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] darlin? uhh. oh fsck. [04:36] antiwire: well enough gong show for me..later [04:36] god. [04:36] seriously. [04:37] mbohun: http://pastebin.com/m5d6923b4 [04:38] antiwire: did you see my question regarding the stat? [04:38] how about building one ? [04:38] #22? [04:38] no no [04:38] antiwire: just use an initrd to load the generic scsi driver, simple [04:39] hey btw just wanted to ask this is there any site that shows the stat of slackware user [04:39] wtf? [04:39] hehe, where did you get this hardware from? broke into the tech museum last night? :-) [04:39] ok so you run via chipset [04:39] frullet: why did you tell me that? I have no kernel issues. [04:39] I just tried userfriendly in konqueror.. stilrl no joy on todays or yesterdays [04:39] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [04:39] mbohun: i love my system, you know my system workd out of box .. [04:39] it 2003 relic [04:40] antiwire: was directed at init[1] [04:40] Wow, there's a ton of packages when you want to build xfce4... [04:40] jgor_ (i=jgor@r74-192-150-204.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [04:40] but - correct me if i m wrong this doesn't look to have SATA at all [04:41] mbohun: actually it needed sata / pata option to be enabled [04:41] withing the kernel [04:41] i don't have a sata [04:41] i m just looking in .config for what VIA options should be switched on [04:42] reaver___ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:42] mbohun: shall i paste bin my config [04:42] hmm - i doubt that, but can't start yelling "utter nonsense!" at you without having a closer look [04:42] damn root-tail is getting on top of everything..and then just gets stuck on there.if i put a window on top gets erased [04:42] ok, though grep of those VIA setting would be enough [04:43] like CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX [04:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [04:45] mbohun: btw i have not issues now :pp [04:45] mbohun:Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers ---> [04:45] CONFIG_SATA_VIA (though i doubt you need that) [04:45] yea got it [04:45] certain option within that by mistake got disabled [04:45] jgor (i=jgor@r74-192-150-204.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:46] http://pastebin.com/m7798051b mbohun [04:46] your motherboard look pretty much the same like my old server one that passed away last week after 9 years of 24/7 service [04:47] :X do you want more info about my motherboard ? [04:47] :P [04:47] and i don't think it was using any sata stuff, i think the kernel there (at the moment of its death) was 2.6.19+ can't remember [04:47] looks like there's only ide, no sata in the config that was posted [04:47] but his lspci doesn't show any SATA hardware at all [04:47] s/config/lspci/ [04:48] maxiiis (n=max@91.190.39.53) joined ##slackware. [04:48] mbohun: hey dude see if you check help for :Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers ---> it clearly says you need to enable this for ata [04:48] ck it out remember i hav built this kernel #22 times [04:48] :P [04:49] lol [04:49] its not a hw feature ,i seems they share some code [04:49] my first guess would be that he did not build the VIA IDE driver into the kernel, so he left it off, or built it as a module... [04:49] ok, ok - no need to compete with me :-) i suffer from a delicate medical condition that makes me recompile the kernel 22 a day [04:50] but i must admit i m not good with compiling it off top of my head for other people chipsets :-) i think i will improve that [04:50] hi! I've two network interfaces (one with eth0, eth0:1 (with different IP addreses each) for WAN, second eth1 for LAN). By default everything from eth1 masquerades through eth0, but now I need one exact IP (lets say 192.168.0.2) to be routed thourgh eth0:1. Ideas? 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[04:54] mbohun: lol are you a kernel detective ? for homsid [04:54] :P [04:54] mbohun: with all due respect i wasn't competeing [04:54] init[i]: "it clearly says you need to enable this for ata" - so? the lspci output of your machine does not show any ATA hardware - so what is the point? i m a bit confused [04:54] Action: init[1] leaving for luch had a nice time with #22 lol [04:55] mbohun: yes .. thats true lilo always complains abt that but i nv had that problem [04:55] init[1]: bash-3.1$ lspci | grep ATA [04:55] 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03) [04:55] slava_dp: are they all from same ISP? [04:55] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:55] or same users ? [04:56] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:56] # [04:56] 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) [04:57] that was from his earlier lspci post [04:57] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:58] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:59] alisonkenlnoc: huh? like i see that IDE chipset - how is that related to SATA ? [05:00] this is how i configured my kernel , i looked at stock kernel modules loaded for my hw, and enable them thou i got your point , here is a patebin for modules that shlod be loaded , i used the script from lkn from gk [05:00] mbohun: i was not here [05:00] mbohun: it doesn't - that's the point [05:00] http://pastebin.com/m43bf473 [05:00] i m really lost then [05:00] ck that out [05:01] I'm hearing he needs to enable sata, but I'm not seeing sata hardware [05:01] it need an ata no sre [05:01] yes! alison [05:01] like that is my point - his lspci does not show any ATA hardware [05:01] alisonken1noc: i did that because it says i should enable it for ata [05:02] and thou i don't have any ata .. [05:02] but you don't have any ATA [05:02] my loaded modules shows ata [05:02] http://pastebin.com/m43bf473 [05:02] man :-) hehe [05:02] well i can build you quite a lot of modules you can load [05:03] mbohun: i didn't load them , that stock kernel dd [05:03] did [05:03] and o/p you just saw is from the script from GregKorah [05:03] init[1]: you should be looking at block devices -> ata/atapi/mfm/rll support -> enhanced ide/mfm/rll disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support [05:04] init[1]: for example i have here a USB tv card, and a PCMCIA eSATA card - i can disconnect those, or even throw them away - and i can still load them, and lsmod is going to show them [05:04] followed by via82cxxx chipset support. [05:04] like you can load 100 of modules into the kernel [05:04] that should get your disks recognized [05:05] as well as include ide/ata-2 disk support [05:05] alisonken1noc: i will paste bin my config .. do do antopsy if you can [05:05] :P [05:05] don't expect quick returns - I'm still at the office [05:05] alisonken1noc: no probs .. [05:06] init[1]: nvidiafb used to conflict with the nvidia driver, not sure if that is still the case, use vesa fb instead if it is still the case [05:06] i have not issue with it now but ,, i had problems when i used compiz [05:06] besides that is not a proper lsmod - lsmod would show you if the module is in use [05:07] mbohun: you didn't read my message [05:07] i will show the script i used . [05:07] it from the Nutshell book [05:07] its strips out lsmod [05:08] init[1]: when trying to find problems, you want more than just some script info [05:09] your CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y is OK, so what about the general IDE settings [05:09] IDE disk support, etc? [05:10] | | <*> generic ATA/ATAPI disk support | | [05:10] | | [*] ATA disk support | | [05:10] | | [*] ATAPI floppy support [05:10] Channel flood from mbohun -- kicking [05:10] all on? [05:10] mbohun kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:10] YEAH [05:10] oops [05:10] somebody forgot slackboy or didn't realize what slackboy consideres a flood [05:11] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:11] slackboy: is a bot or what? [05:11] sory mbohun [05:11] slackboy is a bot - with specific notes on too many lines posted too quickly (3 is the max I think) [05:11] look like i m not going to try it again - usually the prevent copy&paste of bigger chunks [05:13] init[1] - and what exactly is the problem when you try to boot the new kernel, i mean where it hangs and with what message? [05:14] it loads Universal ide driver smkind a stuff [05:14] and panic wiht VFS [05:14] i event didn't list the known partitions [05:15] the date that shows up in uname -a is when the system was installed correct? [05:15] mbohun: alisonken1noc http://pastebin.com/mfed2dc0 my config [05:15] lf4: date when the kernel was compiled [05:15] lf4: are you asking me ? [05:16] that string was added by me [05:16] lf4: at least as far as the date the computer had :) [05:16] alisonken1noc: :P [05:16] brb lunch [05:16] init[1]: No it was a general question. [05:16] alisonken1noc: Thanks [05:17] np [05:17] Is there a way to tell when a system had been installed? [05:17] eh? look at the screen? [05:17] depends on the system [05:17] both slackware and centos. [05:18] oh, i misunderstood the question. [05:19] stat /etc/slackware-version | grep Change [05:20] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [05:20] lf4: well sort of, like the timestamps of bzImage is when the build finished, the timestamp on the modules when make modules finished, and the timestamp on /boot/System.map when make install was done [05:20] i guess there must be a centos-release or and equivalent file. [05:21] Thanks for the info :) everyone [05:21] but i wouldn't be designing the space shuttle software about that reliable information :-) [05:21] The Modify time in stat output is when Pat modified the file. the Change - is when the inode was created locally. [05:23] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC02FEB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:24] is there some sober minimal GNOME base installation for slackware (without all that dropline-like, user permissions pam modifications crap)? [05:24] Action: The-Croupier messed up the kernel :(, it boots, works, but lots of socket things wrong...so upgrading to 26.9 :( [05:24] mbohun, gnome = evil [05:24] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:24] well that is contained in my question, right? [05:24] mbohun: if you can find old-fogie, you can ask him. he setup his system with self-compiled gnome [05:24] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] but i like for example grip to rip my CDs to mp3 [05:25] mbohun: did you see the config? [05:25] kaudiocreator [05:25] yes i compiled that crap last time for slack 12.0 [05:25] mbohun: kdb can do that for you too [05:26] well i really like the freedom of choice - and being a minimalist (i use wmaker) - i prefer to chose what i want to use [05:27] don't like the idea of GNOME or KDE fascist holding a gun to my head to use their app [05:27] for track in *.wav; do lame $track; done [05:27] so grip for rips, kdiff3 for comparing sources, qgit to look at git branch, k3b to make data DVD, etc [05:28] guys, there was a site with huge-smp-config where i could wget it...but i dont see it. and the wiki's wget doesnt work :( [05:28] does eny mirror do? [05:28] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.90.243) joined ##slackware. [05:28] init[1]: what was the _exact_ error you got after rebooting into the new system/kernel? and was it a modular kernel you compiled? if so, did you make an initrd for the new modular kernel? [05:29] The-Croupier: huge-smp for -current or 12.2? [05:29] slava_dp: i prefer cmd line solutions, amking iso image and burning and archive is done by cron here, but i don't think my gf would adopt that approach fast [05:29] alisonken1noc: 12.2 [05:29] The-Croupier, wget ftp://ftp.slackware.at/slackware-12.2/kernels/hugesmp.s/config [05:30] The-Croupier: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/kernels/hugesmp.s/ [05:30] Action: slava_dp was quicker! yay! [05:30] init[1]: well the IDE stuff looks like OK, however so many things switched on "y" - that makes me a bit worried [05:31] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-187-163.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:31] alisonken1noc: that says: ernel version: 2.6.27.7 [05:31] The-Croupier, and which one do you want? [05:31] thats just the base config right? [05:32] slava_dp: i just downloaded the 26.9 kernel :( [05:32] that's the default 12.2 kernel and config file used to compile default huge-smp [05:32] The-Croupier, then get the config from -current. [05:32] slava_dp: ohh i see ;) thanks [05:32] besides 'for track in *.wav; do lame $track; done' would need some extension to do all the cddb crap for retrieving track names over the internet, etc. ... then the mp3 need to be nicely named and scoped in directories so the mp3 player in the car plays them in order, etc [05:33] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/ got it thanks ;) [05:33] Action: slava_dp gets mp3s directly from the net, even if he owns the original cd. so no ripping whatsoever. [05:34] it takes longer to rip then to download them. [05:34] init[1] - your IDE looks good, could you do me now 'df -hT' to see what filesystem do you use? another problem could be the boot partition filesystem not being build into the kernel - just a wild guess [05:34] Axius (i=samyw@92.85.218.50) joined ##slackware. [05:35] alisonken1noc: initially built in.. but i don't remember exact error or than kernel papic for VFS which was even not capable of listing known partitions [05:35] init[1]: your CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=m is a module for example [05:35] panic [05:35] mbohun: ext3 ws built in [05:35] well that's ok then [05:35] mbohun: ck d ext3 [05:36] yes i was looking at it, i saw REISER = m [05:36] hey problem ws with chipset drivers [05:36] since vfs panic error couldnt list [05:37] known partitions [05:37] like i m not sure if this is a possible or not, but building so many chipset support into the kernel isn't there a chance that something simply assumes and wants to use chipset X (you don't have) and it just bials out? [05:37] bails out [05:38] i have never tried that before - always knew what chipset i use and build only those things y/m [05:39] mbohun: well i feel i ws a conflict w ith old config [05:39] *it [05:40] when i recompiled 29.4 i didnt touch my old confg [05:40] have you tried yet: 1. new kernel, 2. make defconfig in the new kernel, 3. and then load your old config into it, save it and rebuild it? [05:41] did you just copy your old .config from previous kernel into the new kernel? [05:41] guys, there is something teribly wrong... [05:41] make oldconfig got this: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14428 [05:42] cannot compile new kernel or anything for that matter :( [05:42] The-Croupier: the asm dirs are now named differently [05:42] adjust them :-) [05:43] :( you lost me :( [05:43] or you the headers can't be found [05:43] mbohun: i copid my old .config to *29.4/.config [05:43] well so is there asm/socket.h in your environment or not> [05:43] init[1]: don't do it [05:43] Axius (i=samyw@92.85.218.50) left irc: Client Quit [05:44] oop. [05:44] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:44] /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7/arch/sh/include/asm/socket.h [05:44] only after copying i ran menuconfig .. mbohun [05:44] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [05:44] that is going to work - sometimes - like between 2.6.28.x 2.6.29.x however you can end up with some parts of the conifg getting removed, etc. [05:45] init[1]: tried that already that doesnt work [05:45] init[1]: vfs issues with no known partition usually indicates you didn't have the right format (ex. ext2/3) built-in to the kernel, or it was a module and no initrd was created with the correct module [05:45] The-Croupier: first you should not compile in /usr/src with root privileges [05:46] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-020223c425868458) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [05:46] mbohun: that is the least of my worries... [05:47] alisonken1noc: i can't be also with the problem that there is no no proper driver for chipset | morverover i tld right i loaded some UNiversal ide driver sm kind .. [05:47] im missing things i dont know what they are... they seem like headers of something...but there should be a way to have them, i dont want to reinstall...just on the edge of making a mirror :( [05:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:48] lilo -v is the one that checks for lilo errors on boot right? [05:48] The-Croupier: what architecture do you run on? [05:49] ppc, x86? [05:49] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:49] The-Croupier: did you uninstall the kernel headers by mistake ? [05:49] i m just surprised by the 'sh' [05:49] mbohun: x86 [05:49] init[1]: dont think so... [05:50] ck it out with pkgtool [05:50] ok, so: bash-3.1$ find ./ -name "socket.h" - you want this: ./arch/x86/include/asm/socket.h [05:50] does it exist? [05:50] see if there are any kernel headers [05:50] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:50] i did run cleanlinks though at some point [05:51] it is always good to pop the cherry so why not to run 'make mrproper' first? :-) (back up your .config first of course) [05:52] mbohun: ok..let me check and ill try to do that [05:52] make mrproper; cp ../my-old-config-for-this-kernel.conf ./; make bzImage; make modules; make modules_install; make install; [05:53] ./linux-2.6.29/arch/x86/include/asm/socket.h [05:53] i have that [05:53] damn, thats the new kernel i downloaded not the old one :( [05:54] The-Croupier: chill .. you can apply that small .4 patch [05:54] The-Croupier: btw are you on ../src/linux or /src/..29 [05:55] init[1]: im on 27 now... ;) tyring to compile 29 [05:55] i hav had bad experience with /usr/src/linux h he . [05:55] The-Croupier: got it .. i was asking where hav you unpacked the kernel ? [05:55] on 27 its the one running that is missing stuff [05:56] init[1]: unpacked in /usr/src/ [05:56] next to the old one ;) [05:56] that means /usr/linux-2.9.29/ [05:56] right ? [05:56] */src/* [05:56] that means /usr/src/linux-2.6.29/ [05:56] yes [05:56] right ;) [05:57] but that header: arch/x86/include/asm/socket.h must exist [05:57] lesson learned: don't chug a liter of water + fish pills before running 2 miles at chief pace [05:57] unless of course, you LIKE becomming an impressive human fountain after [05:58] jdog: huh ! [05:58] The-Croupier: are you getting the same error when you try it with .27? [05:58] just try that [05:58] init[1]: yes [05:59] init[1]: try what? [05:59] try compilining inside .27.7 [05:59] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [05:59] Action: The-Croupier posting pastbin [05:59] just a test [05:59] ok [06:00] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14429 [06:00] ls -al /usr/include/sys/ | grep socket.h [06:01] sorry [06:01] did you uninstall the old kerenel ? [06:01] init[1]: not yet [06:01] ok good :) [06:01] ls /usr/include/bit* [06:02] ck if you re able list em [06:02] The-Croupier: my suggestion to you at this point would be to read over alienBOB's kernel guide again. I sure wouldn't advise taking suggestions from someone thats built there kernel 22 times, and is still failing at it. [06:02] if not you have meseed up with kernel headers [06:04] maybe a few others might gain from reading it as well. http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [06:04] i can list lots of headers there... :( whats the point ... i know i have messed up with kernel headers..its saying that on the terminal..the problem is where to start to fix this [06:04] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [06:04] The-Croupier: can you list bit.h? [06:04] chopp: im already there..cannot get past make menuconfig ;) [06:04] i mean are you able to see them ? [06:05] yes... [06:05] one sec [06:05] chopp: i m still right now in 2.6.29.4 , i hav no problems now mbohun alisonken1noc were trying to find the cause .. [06:06] The-Croupier: well from what I've seen in here, you've been trying this for month's. [06:07] well you need to get the error message, if i were you i disable all the crap i don't need from my kernel config [06:07] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [06:07] chopp: he had the same problem b4 ? [06:07] only the IDE chipset you need [06:07] init[1]: so don't you think maybe you're not someone that should be giving kernel building advice? [06:08] boot again the kernel that panics and write down/remember the error message [06:08] chopp: Agreed i not expert but we learn from others issues .. that doesn't mean we have to quite [06:08] *im [06:08] only through solving problems we learn . [06:09] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:09] init[1]: of course you should fix your own kernel first - said the Lord [06:09] blind leading the blind...have fun with that. [06:09] hehe [06:10] Action: slava_dp wonders [06:10] how was that? 1 000 000 of lemmings (falling off the cliff can't be wrong)? [06:11] mbohun:ok i will do it ..im cking it. [06:11] Action: init[1] will be back [06:11] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "Leaving" [06:13] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:13] how come 283 people out of 288 that are present never speak. [06:13] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:13] down_fall (n=down_fal@124.148.46.158) joined ##slackware. [06:14] slava_dp: because they're smart? [06:14] can't be so many smart people in the world =) [06:15] hey - this is a slackware channel :) [06:15] people that run slackware are already a step up from normal [06:16] good thing slackboy doesn't have iq test capabilities. [06:17] alisonkenlnoc:well perhaps smarter than the members of the bubbantu tribe, but not so smart like the OpenBSD folks [06:17] chopp: you never know [06:20] we do have some that have migrated from *bsd camp [06:20] cut is faster than awk when doing simple line splits. by around six milliseconds, but still. [06:20] cut is a simple parser whereas awk is a programming language in itself [06:20] Action: slava_dp knows. just fyi. [06:21] alisonken1noc: what does that make perl? [06:21] Kaapa: red headed step child? :) [06:21] (from a python guy) [06:21] anyone using the new "distro wizard" on linode for the 12.2 release? [06:21] perl is, by definition, the language that rendered all script languages obsolete [06:22] ooo! oooh! he said the "l" word!!!!! [06:22] pretty much convinced by now that it sucks donkey balls, but i'm prone to boneheaded mistakes [06:22] Kaapa: so was cobol according to the notes [06:22] alisonken1noc: all those guys are dead, so it doesn't count [06:23] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:23] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-187-163.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:24] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [06:24] hi [06:24] Kaapa: alive/dead - they both say they were the last needed language [06:24] missyjane: not since 1979 [06:25] sorry - 1981 [06:25] huh [06:26] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [06:27] Action: theblackbox laments the unpingables [06:27] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-103-143.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [06:28] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:28] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:30] missyjane: you: "hi" me: "not since 1981" [06:30] :) [06:31] oh! [06:31] Action: theblackbox initiates the slow and lonely round of applause meant only to shame [06:31] haha [06:31] =P [06:31] the external hdd, is read only aparently..root cannot write on it :( (wtf) -- then fsck -y /media/My Passport/ doesnt seem to do anything...am i doing that wrong? [06:31] something wrong then [06:32] anyone familiar with openvpn? the one person that was awake in #openvpn was being a total chode [06:32] Zordrak: somewhat [06:32] The-Croupier: the partition scheme on the external wouldnt happen to be NTFS would it? [06:32] frullet: i dont think so [06:32] The-Croupier, not true mount [06:33] and frullet, that [06:33] what? [06:34] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [06:34] frullet: i used it for rsyc files from my last format..its got windows files there as well..but dont think its ntfs [06:34] I have two test win clients connecting to openvpn 2.0.9 on slack... one isnt sending packets over tap and i think thats an issue local to that box... but the one that IS sending packets over tap isnt receiving any back (and this box did work a couple of days ago).... running tshark on the server shows the server is returning packets, but all labelled with "UDP CHECKSUM INCORRECT" [06:35] the VPN connection itself is established perfectly..... but theres just no working traffic [06:35] The-Croupier: fdisk -l, just to make sure [06:35] The-Croupier, having windows files shouldnt matter [06:35] i have the wd my book too and it did that to me when i tried to erase it [06:35] but that was because i plugged in the usb, and hit ok when i had the popup thingie [06:35] so what i did was umount, then mount again [06:35] it seemed to work [06:35] frullet: the bastard, it is ntfs [06:35] The-Croupier: ;) [06:36] you just wanted to format it, why does the file system matter?? [06:36] i remember running fsck.ext3 on it before putting anything on.. [06:36] missyjane: i dont want to format it.. [06:36] nvm [06:36] im f-ing stupid, i read that as format [06:36] i want to backup my system now... so that i can format thig laptop [06:36] instead of filesystem check, sorry [06:37] frullet: changing the fs on that hdd, i suppose will erase all the rest right? [06:37] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [06:38] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:38] The-Croupier: yeh, make sure you backup what you need first [06:38] by the way, can anyone tell me if slack comes with an ids or not? i want to start using that [06:38] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-19-129-196.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [06:39] chopp: mbohun : i hav no issues with that sata thing |but i enabled them only bcause the script (from korah Nutshell) showed me i need them b4 i compiled and it happend that when i had tried disabling them my boot failed |. [06:39] frullet: damn..., if i shutdown this laptop...maybe i get kernel panic... [06:40] also, im at work..i cannot NOT shutdown.., and i need these files..ive been reading and making scripts and slackbuilds..for learning...damn this windows crap [06:40] i hate windows fs [06:41] fiftysixer (n=fiftysix@cyruslopez.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:41] jescis_ (i=1000@adsl-80-35-86.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] alisonken1noc: are you running an openvpn server right now? [06:42] they are at the office, I've only setup the client. haven't looked at the server yet [06:43] Wait! Tits on a stick it appears to be working now! wtf is up with that?! [06:43] o.O tits on a stick?.. [06:43] s/tits on a stick/christ on a bike with noodles/g [06:44] but of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_tits [06:44] wrong sort of bird [06:45] now you're just spoiling it [06:45] there should be a tits dsiambiguation page : [06:45] :) [06:46] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "Leaving" [06:46] confusing [06:46] ok [06:46] wtf its a bird too? [06:46] Zordrak: what was your problem? [06:46] missyjane : yes. and it's on a stick [06:47] alisonken1noc: i still dont know :( [06:47] LOL........ [06:47] the only thing i did different was restart the server....... [06:47] the daemon that is [06:47] im gonna restart the server to see ifi get the ame problem from cold [06:49] rofl - tits on a stick :-D [06:50] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [06:51] god i love slack .. 64 bit slack up and running with a running openvpn server... 54M RAM in use [06:51] it's beautiful [06:52] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:53] ahah [06:53] same problem on server boot [06:53] so somethings not right in the startup [06:54] even thouh fixing it just means stopping openvpn, stopping tap, starting tap, starting openvpn :( [06:54] cherife (n=cherife@121.0.29.226) left irc: "leaving" [06:56] Axius (i=samyw@92.82.95.152) joined ##slackware. [06:56] hom does everyone else start a tap at boot? i run a rc.tap [06:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [06:56] init[1] (n=init[1]@116.68.100.29) joined ##slackware. [06:57] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [06:57] hi ppl. anyone know of tools to remove background static from WAVE files? 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[07:23] Nick change: twolf_ -> twolf [07:23] theblackbox: no. I thought it was pretty darn cool to work with. [07:23] my fs at the moment is reiser..making the external hdd ext3 ;) would it be ok? or it shall be the same? [07:24] of course it's ok, The-Croupier . you can make it anything that's supported. :P [07:24] The-Croupier: how big is the external.. what will it storeZ [07:24] ? [07:25] slipttees: fwiw, iirc, the kernel supports it.. so slack ought to [07:25] 360gb..it will store my laptops /home/username [07:25] Nick change: stunix_ -> stunix [07:25] so that i can reformat-reinstall slackware [07:26] huh [07:28] The-Croupier: if you're just using it to backup during reinstall make it ext3 [07:28] The-Croupier: if it were -serving media files then id saf xfs [07:31] Zordrak: didnt understand your last statement [07:31] BP{k}, wizard? [07:31] -serving media files than id saf xfs? [07:31] slipttees (n=chatzill@201.18.139.134) left ##slackware. [07:33] is anyone good at debugging boot procedure problems? [07:33] i probably need to introduce a "wait" somewhere [07:33] if i manually stop openvpn, stop tap, start tap, start openvpn it all works [07:34] but during boot it doesnt [07:34] if i diff `ifconfig -a` after boot and after manual ov/tap restarts.. the ONLY diff is that the working one shows an inet6 address line for tap0 [07:35] well.. that and the base address for eth0 [07:35] Where are you starting it from? [07:35] slackytude: what, you don't have a wizards hat? ;) [07:35] rc.local calls rc.tap then rc.openvpn [07:35] BP{k}: he has a witch's broom. does that count? :P [07:37] You may want to add a stop openvpn, stop tap to rc.local_shutdown just to be safe. [07:37] i did [07:37] Are you sure the rc.files are getting ran? [07:38] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:38] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [07:38] yes.. the server is starting up and the tap if is beingc initialised... but the openvpn server isnt getting the packets it returns to the client out to it [07:39] Bold` (n=afawaz@ner-as17820.alshamil.net.ae) left irc: "[A] I wanna see the ground give way..." [07:41] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [07:42] http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/RoyalPingdom/~3/9roZELfa_go/ [07:44] another way of formatting usb-external wd drive? /dev/sdb1 apart from cfdik /dev/sdb1 ? [07:44] cfdik/cfdisk [07:44] hmmmm intriguing... just seen someone else's tap startup script and pretty much every call ends with a "sleep 1" [07:45] The-Croupier: cfdisk doesnt format [07:45] The-Croupier: it plays with partitions [07:45] The-Croupier: btw is that kernel problem sloved ? :) [07:45] The-Croupier: formatting is a different thing [07:45] The-Croupier: i tnk mkfs.xxx cand do that [07:46] prekisely [07:46] prekisely, huh? [07:46] :) [07:46] yep. [07:46] well in cfdisk we usually delete the partition right ? i mean in terms of formatting ? [07:46] prekisely. [07:46] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] mkfs.ext3 would format it then.. cool :( i think i have misunderstood the tools [07:47] :) [07:47] The-Croupier: is that kernel problem solver? [07:47] ed [07:47] init[1]: cfdisk is for partitioning - the only thing it does is destroy formats [07:47] cfdisk changes the partition layout and the labels for them (including a marker as to the intended FS) [07:47] alisonken1home: hey that's right .. [07:47] what i mean is [07:47] but it doesnt create a filesystem (format) [07:47] yep [07:47] you must create the filesystem yourself [07:48] i mean a kind of formation [07:48] this is called formatting [07:48] Zordrak: i want to delete everything in there and format from scratch [07:48] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [07:48] i just did mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 after umounting it [07:48] ;) [07:48] hope this works [07:48] The-Croupier: then mkfs.ext3 the partition [07:49] it cleans every thing .. when you delete it right ? [07:49] Zordrak: just did ;) [07:49] clean - no. change partition information - yes [07:49] when you delete it the data isn't recoverable ? [07:49] alisonken1noc: change partition information..would mean make things unusable, and the hdd empty for usage [07:49] am i right alisonken1noc [07:50] unless you actually use a cleaning tool (like 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdXXX') it only setups the format tables [07:50] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:50] init[1]: you can retrieve it with various tool...a pain in the neck but doable [07:50] for normal stuff, that would be fine. unless you need data to be irretrievable, it works fine [07:50] The-Croupier: i mean if you delete the partition . [07:50] alisonken1noc: so, i should run dd after the mkfs.ext3 or just leave it at that [07:51] Let me be clear: [07:51] deleting a partition does NOT clear the data (as alisonken1noc said) [07:51] init[1]: you dont actuall ydelete the partition unless you use dd as alisonken1noc said [07:51] it just deletes the markers as to where the FS starts [07:51] ;) [07:51] :) [07:51] if you create the exact same partiton again.. your FS and its data will still be there [07:52] you rely on this for resizing non-lvm partitions [07:52] a partiton is just a holding cell for a filesystem [07:53] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A577.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [07:53] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdXXX will not make it completely unusable right? [07:54] it will delete everything from what ive seen, and ill have to recreate from scratch right? [07:54] dont do that to a disk [07:54] do it to a partition [07:54] :)) [07:54] sda1 not sda [07:54] unless you wanna nuke the whole disk [07:54] theres no point trashing the table [07:54] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:54] yep .. [07:54] then...do it to the disk [07:56] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1 would be safe to do on the external usb-wd hdd right? [07:57] yes [07:57] The-Croupier: why are you bothering [07:57] is it full of donkey porn? [07:57] i just want to see what it does, [07:57] Zordrak: hahaha no... [07:57] hah ha .. [07:58] just wanted to see how can i make it nice... ;) ... i run mkfs.ext3 but fdisk -l /dev/sdb1 still shows ntfs :( something IS really wrong here [07:58] The-Croupier: thats the partiton labelling [07:58] >.< [07:58] use parted and set the label :) [07:59] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:59] the partition table can think what it likes about the FS but it doesnt actually check [07:59] Zordrak: i see [07:59] Zordrak: i just tried that on my pendrive but it seems to have no effect [07:59] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:59] i hav unmounted it thou [08:00] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [08:00] SuN (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:00] The-Croupier: use fdisk [08:00] The-Croupier: type "t" [08:01] Zordrak: there is only lost+found in the disk now..;) [08:01] rapid (i=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:01] cool, just did cp -rf director/ to /mnt/usb/directory/ ;) [08:01] havent messed up that badly have i? [08:01] >.< [08:02] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] thats because you made a new FS on it... regardless of the systemID of the partiton [08:02] and by the way replace cp -rf with cp -avf or rsync -av [08:03] Zordrak: ok [08:03] Zordrak: why that primary pratitions limited to 4 ? is due to the limitation of partition table ? [08:04] Zordrak: nice..now i can see where things are going ;) thanks man [08:04] The-Croupier: with rsync you can pause and restart [08:05] The-Croupier: effectively you can do incremental backups with it [08:05] init[1]: thats a googler [08:05] Zordrak: vo kaaay . [08:06] Zordrak: incremental backups? [08:06] google [08:06] http://www.basicallytech.com/blog/index.php?/archives/73-Using-a-USB-external-hard-disk-for-backups-with-Linux.html [08:07] already there [08:07] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: "leaving" [08:07] rsync is basically a copying utility, but its abouh 8458745876587465328746876548765% more powerful and flexible than cp [08:07] rapid (i=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Zordrak: what sort of stat is that ? [08:08] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:08] i mean is that presision ? [08:09] no.. i said "about" [08:09] Zordrak: you actually said abouh ;) [08:09] kama (n=kama@host58-115-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:09] yes but that was an obvious typo [08:10] i do understand, i didnt get the incremental backup, that what i googled [08:10] Zordrak: of course it was ;) [08:11] The-Croupier: afik ,incremental backups makes things easier by backing only changed data [08:11] prekisely [08:13] Zordrak i new to term perkisely does that actually mean precisely ? [08:13] * im [08:14] uh [08:14] yeah [08:15] Zordrak: i should have used rsync instead of cp.., you are right, its taking ages [08:16] i suppose there is no way to see how % its left to be done now :( damn... [08:16] "communication breakdown" --led zepplin [08:16] Action: The-Croupier reading rsync again [08:16] greetings antler [08:17] hiya The-Croupier :) [08:17] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:17] hows it going man? [08:17] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-44.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:17] it's going better than well. how are things with you? [08:18] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@80.93.232.130) joined ##slackware. [08:18] hi all [08:18] :) [08:18] cool, looking at new things, learning new backing up things ...etc..etc... [08:19] still at work, trying to do lots of things at the same time :(, its busy and im loving it [08:20] I have a question, I have a sendmail server set up on Slack 12.1, up to date fixes and patches [08:20] The-Croupier: yeah, i like being busy at work - seems to make the day go by quicker. [08:20] is there a way for me to sync a BlackBarry to the sendmail server [08:20] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:21] that is a blackbarry to sync with sendmail [08:21] antler: definately, ;) [08:21] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [08:22] how does one know if 2folders are exactly the same? [08:22] diff?? [08:22] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:23] yeahI think diff would do it [08:24] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] any one [08:24] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A577.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:25] is there a way to sync a blackbarry with sendmail [08:25] what is the correct xorg.conf option to load the nvidia driver ? [08:25] nvidia [08:25] Common subdirectories: /mnt/usb/backup-2-6-09/scripts and backup-2-6-09/scripts [08:25] common subs means they are the same right? [08:26] yeah [08:26] N3mZ: are you using the binary driver or xorg nvdia driver? [08:26] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@80.93.232.130) left irc: "Java user signed off" [08:26] section device -> driver="nvidia" [08:27] thanks time for a reboot. thanks to all ;) alisonken1noc, Zordrak,init[1] , * [08:27] init[1]: using what SBo has :/ [08:27] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [08:27] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:28] N3mZ: i didn't get you [08:29] init[1]: what slackbuilds.org has [08:30] Good morning boys and girls and joost_op [08:30] i have suggestion , well it worked for me , goto the nvdia main site , download the driver,provided you have the kernel sources [08:30] build the binary driver [08:30] i will configure your nvdia card better than us :) [08:30] *it [08:31] N3mZ: got me ? [08:31] ok thanks [08:32] te_ (n=te@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:41] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-128-83.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:43] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.28) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-123-248.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:43] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:44] hello everyone I used slackpkg to upgrade to current as seen on the distrowatch.com website, but after I folowed all steps in there I'm still not running linux 2.6.29 for example. Can u tell me what can I do ? [08:45] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: "Leaving" [08:45] Anakin: did you run lilo? [08:45] or may be even tried something like "read the fine documentations that is provided" [08:45] It is quite fine. :) [08:46] Action: init[1] happy to see that most of the time Slackware jumps between 1 to 15 in terms of distrowatch [08:46] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [08:47] BP{k} I know I must run lilo but I don't have the modules in /lib/modules so :) [08:47] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:47] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [08:47] BP{k} I ran the procedure again and it seems like it found more packages to update :) [08:47] including the linux 2.6.29 kernel [08:48] Anakin: lilo is a loader - not a kernel module [08:48] Anakin: and let me guess, it found a whole lot of extra packages (as only a couple of them before?) [08:48] BP{k} yes I did [08:48] alisonken1noc: probably what happends is .. you need to run stuff twice to upgrade to -current, the first time it will upgrade the "tgz" packages, andf then the "txz" packages. [08:48] alisonken1home: I know what lilo is but if the slackpkg didn't download any kernel source or modules for the 2.6.29 kernel why use lilo ? [08:49] BP{k}: that would do it :) [08:49] BP{k}: it's downloading many packages now ;) [08:49] we'll see, I hope it works [08:49] of course, IMNSHO, anyone who runs -current should know this. [08:49] the article on distrowatch sucks. [08:50] Anakin: lilo is what loads the kernel when the computer is rebooted/power cycled. lilo has nothing to do with what sources/modules the kernel it's booting [08:50] admittedly, my view on this might be skewed by the fact that I actually still think people read changelogs and documentation before doing things. :) [08:50] lilo is a boot loader thing [08:50] alisonken1noc but if we had no kernel, then why tell lilo to load a kernel which I didn't have ? [08:51] slava_dp: do u have a better and fast idea ? [08:51] BP{k}: well, I read the changelog, and I have wget updating from mirrors every day; can't say I read the documentation, but I usually just reformat and install fresh [08:51] eddie_grey (n=eddie_gr@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [08:51] News at 11.0 .. sith empire comes to a grinding end ... no kernel was found to reboot the force :P [08:51] Anakin: your earlier statement confused lilo with kernel modules. [08:51] alisonken1noc: what's the fun in that ;) [08:51] alisonken1home: sorry about my broken english then :)) [08:52] Anakin: ;) [08:52] Anakin, i do. read ChangeLog.txt on any of the mirrors. :-) [08:52] Nick change: rk4n3_ -> rk4n3 [08:52] slava_dp: thanks :D [08:53] eddie_grey (n=eddie_gr@200.138.220.246) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:53] and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT, UPGRADE.TXT :P [08:53] too late now, maybe next time...right now it's going with the slackpkg :)) [08:53] Anakin: IMHO unless you wana beta test slackware , i feel no point it using slackware-current it keeps on changing day by day :) other than security updates :P [08:53] blah - back to work after a 10-day vacation :( [08:54] init[1]: I'm a stable fan, but this was just for testing :) [08:54] init[1], that's just your opinion. i use -current with zero problems. [08:55] rsync and upgrade when changes arrive. [08:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [08:57] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) joined ##slackware. [08:58] slava_dp: im gona do that after sw13 , planning to keep a local mirror with next dvd release,well i dont have the BW dwld all those updates :) [08:58] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [09:01] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [09:01] is there a reason my slack install wouldn't have dos tools for mkfs.vfat in the install? [09:01] briareus_: use mkdosfs [09:01] (also not in sbopkg for 12.1) [09:01] oh, ok [09:02] no dots in between [09:02] -F 32 will give you a vfat file system [09:02] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) left irc: Client Quit [09:02] briareus_: why would sbo have mkfs.vfat? [09:03] Why would anyone care about mkfs.vfat? [09:03] BP{k}: presumably so you could do a "mkfs -t vfat /dev/whatever" [09:03] yes [09:03] I need to do a firmware upgrade on a device that requires I do it from a fat formatted usb dongle [09:04] ... that is, after all, the "conventional" way [09:04] So, stick it in a Windows machine.. format it [09:04] BP{k}: because some of us run non-MS software that have to somehow get stuff to some one who only runs MS software, perhaps? :) [09:04] mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/whatever works fine - even better - Windows won't format a vfat file system over 20 GB, mkdosfs will [09:05] rk4n3: is there a way to change lable of partition other than whem making the filesystem using mkdosfs ? [09:05] init[1]: I'm not sure what you mean by "label" - its partition type ? [09:05] alisonken1noc: okay, pretty much the same question is "why would SBo have [irssi,mysql,ntp,$whateverpackageinslackware] [09:06] rk4n3: i mean for portable devices like thumb drives v can name them [09:06] BP{k}: don't know since I only use SBo for stuff that's not in slackware? :) [09:06] slackytude, hi man! [09:06] init[1]: ah - I'm not sure off the top of my head - never bothered with it [09:07] rk4n3: mkdos -n xxxx option hope you got me ? [09:08] init[1]: oh yeah, there it is in the man page - '-n volume-name [09:08] ' [09:08] yes but afik you can do that only while formatting [09:08] titopoquito (n=tito@p5090E5B0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:09] init[1]: aha - changing it later would be convenient ... [09:09] my qery is can v do that without formatting :) [09:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] init[1]: I guess there's a command 'mlabel' ... check out its man page [09:11] rk4n3: :)) exactly wht i needed :)) [09:11] :) [09:13] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:15] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.128.86) joined ##slackware. [09:16] anyone here use slackware as an enterprise server? [09:16] what's that? [09:16] a linux server in the S.S. Enterprise ? [09:16] rhys : that's an oxymoron :) [09:16] rhys: i don't think so , [09:17] Some people may if they managed to convey how good it is to thier boss :D [09:17] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) joined ##slackware. [09:19] rhys: usually "Enterprise" implies support contract with vendor that "officially" supports the product, among other things. I'm not sure if such a thing exists for slackware... [09:20] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] rhys: but with that said, I would believe that there are slackware servers utilized in production environments that would otherwise be considered "Enterprise" environments. [09:20] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:20] why should we not use slack at an enterprise level? [09:20] <_arfon_> All of my business servers were/are slack [09:20] the stability is great, better than with some alternatives. [09:21] I wish there ws some kinda SW certification :D well i guess LPI would do .. [09:21] slava_dp: its not a matter of "should not", it more a matter of the decision-makers for an enterprise usually not allowing products like slackware [09:21] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) left irc: Client Quit [09:21] <_arfon_> Probably a stigman with the name [09:21] <_arfon_> stigma [09:21] slava_dp: there is not enough man power /expertise [09:21] in the sense of RH [09:21] <_arfon_> If it were called SL-Enterprise Linux.... [09:22] RH produces crap. the commercial support does not make it any better. [09:22] SWCP - Slackware Certified Professional :) hw does that sound .. [09:22] SWCP level 1 SWCP level 2 :D lol [09:23] <_arfon_> Got to get rid of "Slack" in the name [09:23] yeah [09:23] rhys: I am running a network for a semiconductor company and am converting the ENTIRE network to slackware [09:23] <_arfon_> PHBs don't like "slack" [09:23] PHB's? [09:23] <_arfon_> You da man Zord [09:23] agentc0re: pointy haired boss [09:23] slava_dp: personally i dont like RH [09:23] Zordrak: very cool [09:24] <_arfon_> Ploy Hedron Byphenyls Agent [09:24] <_arfon_> Poly [09:24] <_arfon_> (Pointy Haired Bosses) [09:24] _arfon_, well if you are in a non-english-speaking country, you may be fine. people at the company where i work don't give a damn about the name. [09:24] lol .. dilbert kind [09:24] I run Slack for all my linux based servers except for my Xen server of course. [09:24] we use Slackware here, with a mix of freebsd, solaris, slackware, centos [09:24] windows as well [09:25] Dominian: that was mouthful :) [09:25] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Dominian: ah, an environment after my own heart :) (well, I'd prefer to ditch the windows though) [09:25] Action: Dominian shrugs [09:25] <_arfon_> When I set up my last job's servers, my boss said that we needed a business Linux, Not Slackware.... [09:25] Can't completely ditch windows [09:25] especially with the field I'm in.. 90% of our clients are windows-based [09:25] <_arfon_> I installed Slackware and told him it was something else [09:25] yes, windows sucks, but thats how you make money [09:25] <_arfon_> He accessed one RH server I had and never knew the diff [09:25] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:25] _arfon_, hahaha good job [09:26] <_arfon_> <---not dumb :) [09:26] _arfon_: that one my favorite jokes in iRC [09:26] lol .. [09:26] yeah, probably 30% of my development career has been doing Windows development, despite trying really hard to avoid it [09:26] problem with slackware and enterprise is maintenance, especially when you reach a large number of machines. ratio of sysadmins to slackware machines is higher than for most other distros [09:27] <_arfon_> Most of my Sysadmin friends are Debian/Ubuntu [09:27] ananke, how do you maintain a network with other distros? [09:27] slava_dp : you're confusing 'network' with 'servers' [09:27] or 'machines' even. [09:28] i just want to see the toolset :) [09:28] Action: init[1] init [0] [09:28] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "Leaving" [09:28] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:29] slava_dp : most other distributions have tools to automate the installer [autoyast/kickstart/etc], and manage graceful upgrades [without having to wade through changelog]. those are just some of the aspects of maintaining, and all of them are distro specific [09:29] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: "Changing server" [09:31] with slackware you partition the drive, cp -a your existing system on it and chroot+lilo on it. ready to go. [09:31] no need to even install. [09:31] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:31] likevinyl_ (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [09:31] slava_dp : right. if the machine/purpose is identical to your 'image' [09:32] i always do a full install so i have every package available, just not enabled. [09:33] it's a matter of enabling and configuring, as on any other distro, isn't it? [09:33] slava_dp : and what do you do about the initrd? see, that's another step. [09:33] if you use the same filesystem you do not need to rebuild the initrd, just run lilo. [09:34] slava_dp : your method doesn't seem to scale well, nor it's flexible enough. when i drop a new server in a rack, i just boot it to the network, and do everything else remotely [09:34] slava_dp : not if you use different disk controllers [09:34] right [09:34] another point here: slackware doesn't have a method for accessing the installer remotely. [09:35] why, you can netboot and start the installation, can't you? [09:35] That's not accessing th einstaller remotely [09:35] slava_dp : try accessing that installer now [09:35] That's starting a network installer [09:35] _remotely_ [09:35] exactly [09:36] ohh i see [09:36] I love Slackware, but I side with ananke on this one when it comes to large enterprise management... [09:36] slava_dp : it all comes down to the amount of time. yes, you can do a lot of those things with slackware, _if you have the extra time to do it_ [09:36] jescis_ (i=1000@adsl-80-35-86.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:37] ananke, Dominian, so what is your distro of choice for enterprise deployment? centos? [09:37] slava_dp : depends on the purpose. yes, i use some centos, but i'm deploying mostly opensuse/sles. [09:38] same here [09:38] Action: Zordrak shudders [09:38] centos is a "big" thing.. but opensuse definitely has its advantages [09:38] debian does not count here? [09:39] yeah. opensuse is not as 'enterprise' as centos, mostly due to its faster development and shorter lifespan, but we find it much more usable [09:39] does anyone have any experience with starting a tap interface at system boot? [09:39] Why use slack over debian/ubuntu ? [09:39] slava_dp : you either like debian, or you don't. i don't :) [09:39] ananke, i see :) [09:39] Zordrak: I do - its a bit tricky [09:40] slava_dp : another issue is actually vendor recognition. when i get scientific software, it usually has packages for rhel or sles. debian is often ignored [09:40] Zordrak: I did it a long time ago. I think to setup a bridge with a VM... it's been a while. [09:40] Zordrak: I ended up re-writing parts of the rc.inet1 [09:40] rk4n3: hmm [09:40] rk4n3: im usingc an rc.tap [09:40] im not particularly a fan of debian, but it works and is rock solid, and apt-get does most anything [09:40] but something tiny is going wrong [09:40] but i dont know what [09:40] and if i run it manually after boot.. it works [09:40] Zordrak: I spent many hours on just such tiny things [09:41] kama (n=kama@host58-115-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:41] Zordrak: yep, been there done that have the T-Shirt ;) [09:41] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-128-83.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:41] the only diff in ifconfig output after boot and after manual restart of rc.tap is when it works theres an inet6 line for tap0 [09:41] Zordrak: what do you call rc.tap? can you pastebin it? [09:42] i even have a "sleep 1" after every call in the lcript... no joy [09:42] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.61.147) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:42] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-35-86.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] slava_dp : on the subject of time, here's a sample: i just finished setting up apache2 with mod_proxy and ssl to act as a front-end to jboss application server. that took me less than 5 minutes, thanks to commands such as 'a2enmod' and 'a2enflag'. modular configuration and availability of said packages made it a breeze [09:43] http://pastebin.ca/1444859 [09:43] ananke: those symlink kludges have downsides [09:44] thumbs : that's possible, but the end result is what mattered: it took me very little time. [09:44] ananke: you could also edit httpd.conf, uncomment the LoadModule line, and add a few lines to your vhost, in a few minutes [09:44] Zordrak: I added an "IFNAME[0]= [09:44] oops... [09:44] ananke: it depends on how familiar you are with the httpd config files, and the layout of your distro [09:44] overall, setting up this virtual machine, with apache/jboss, ldap binding for shell users, all of it took very little time [09:44] and that's called from rc.local before it calls rc.openvpn [09:45] ananke: I find the debian a2(en|dis)mod tools annoying more than anything [09:45] ananke, thanks for the example. [09:45] Zordrak: I added an IFNAME[0]="br0" to my rc.inet1.conf [09:45] Zordrak: then I modified rc.inet1 to set up the bridge [09:45] ananke: to each his own, I guess [09:45] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [09:45] thumbs : this isn't on debian, so you may have a different experience [09:45] Zordrak: I can pastebin my rc.inet1 if you like ... [09:45] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.61.147) joined ##slackware. [09:45] debian does it _their way and only their way_, just to be different :) [09:46] ananke: I support #httpd, and the debian folks use a2enmod... [09:46] ananke: it *symlinks* a *enabled* file, and that tells httpd to load it. A massive kludge. [09:46] thumbs : i'm not sure what symlinks you're talking about though. on suse a2enmod actually adjusts a line in /etc/sysconfig/apache2 [09:46] I like FBSD myself [09:46] ananke: that would be sane. 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[09:49] help [09:49] <_arfon_> Having worked in a Debian shop for 6mos now.... I want Debain karma at -10,000 [09:49] now i just gotta clone this vm, and i'll have -dev -test and -prod instances. let the silly developers deal with it [09:50] be back tomorrow, guys, thanks for useful talk. have a nice time. [09:50] i got a laptop 12.1 slack, vista 32 bit multiboot. I send it to repair and get it back formattet with vista 64 bit. I told 5 times not to delete anything but it happend. So now I take out the harddrive and put usb controller and need to recover it from another computer anyone know what best way is [09:50] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) joined ##slackware. [09:50] jamess__: you didn't back up your data? [09:51] is there any git diff in browser or hg diff in browser similar to svn diff in browser? [09:51] rk4n3: please do [09:51] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:51] thumbs: i got some part of it but not all that is my mistkae [09:51] jamess__ : good luck. i'd start with the 'gpart' software, and see if it can find any previous filesystems. personally, i think your data is lost [09:51] Zordrak, when i get to setting up openvpn later, i'll know who to bug :) laters [09:51] jamess__: I am about to send mine for repair - I back up *everything* [09:51] it's my issue to reorder the configures [09:52] although... i need to double check... but i dont know if i have ta have openvpn create the tap device or not :/ [09:52] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [09:52] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.57.98) joined ##slackware. [09:53] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:54] reaver___ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:54] jamess__: that was a great idea - that is like giving the hard drive to your mother and asking that she shouldn't touch your p0rn collection - of course she is going to save your soul from the eternal flame :-) [09:54] reaver___ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:55] Zordrak: http://rk4n3.daemonx.com/rc-inet1-bridge.html [09:55] ty [09:55] Zordrak: it works with the stock rc.inet1.conf if you add the line I mentioned earlier [09:56] IFNAME[0]="br0" [09:56] modprobe tun commented out? [09:56] that's in rc.modules :) [09:56] orite [09:57] its basically doing the exact same thing im doing in rc.tap [09:57] :/ [09:57] ah, I believe the rest of the script matters though - and sequence is important [09:57] ARGH this is so frustrating... why does it work manually.. but not at boot time [09:57] that's part of what I painfully figured out seemingly on the same path you're on [09:58] give that rc.inet1 a try - it works at boot [09:58] I believe there's some fairly zig-zaggy redirections between startup scripts happening in the inet setup, is what I figured out [09:59] ... can't be replaces with just another script - you have to integrate into it [09:59] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:59] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:59] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] darn - got a meeting - be back in a while [09:59] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [09:59] i got gparted booted [09:59] the only thing i need to clarify is what the deal is with making a persistent tunnel via openvpn --mktun --dev tap0 [10:00] is there a good way to recover stuff? [10:00] rk4n3: did you just create a persistent tunnel manually then leave it in place? [10:01] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:01] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:02] if i leave the vista 64 bit , can there be some problems to see the ntfs drive from my linux and to virtualbox the drive? [10:02] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-128-83.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:03] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:03] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [10:04] sorry all, anyone know what I /could/ be missing for this behavior? http://pastebin.com/d53cc72fc [10:04] I get those "touch: setting times of `/root/SBo/tmp/sbopkg_rsync.lck': Function not implemented" all the time I try to build anything [10:05] yet I deff have the acct-6.4 package, so I'm not sure what is wrong [10:05] theblackbox: how is /tmp mounted, exactly? [10:05] errr [10:05] I misread. [10:06] someone mentioned something last night when I was dealing with this that it could be a mounting issue, something to do with xfs/nfs and exports, but I couldn't find anything out [10:06] thumbs, "/dev/root on / type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)" from mount [10:07] umm [10:07] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-75-131.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] no in #xchat has a clue about this - I'll try here: join some channel, detach that channel window, minimize xchat to sys. tray, and when you bring back xchat from sys. tray, xchat comes up - but not with the detached window... is this a bug? anyway to get that detached window back? [10:07] no-one* [10:08] No idea.. I use irssi [10:08] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [10:08] something to do with root_squash or squash_root? I couldn't find anything that seemed to make sense, though - so I tried the clean install [10:08] hey [10:08] hm, okay. It seems very peculiar that such a mature client would have this kind of problem [10:09] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [10:11] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-128-83.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:11] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Ive found the problem... but i still dont know why it's happening [10:13] whats the problem? [10:13] the tap interfarce is not getting bound to the bridge interfarce [10:13] sQuEE (n=narya@host123.201-253-245.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Success [10:13] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:13] eth0 is, just not tap0 [10:13] does tap0 get created? [10:14] but as you can see from the rc.tap and from the fact it works when run again, it SHOULD [10:14] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: "re" [10:14] yes its created.. its simply not bound to br0 [10:14] skinnyquiver (n=skinnyqu@63.228.211.210) joined ##slackware. [10:14] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:14] So when it fails to complete and your system is up, you have a tap0 device? [10:14] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:14] yes [10:15] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [10:15] and $BRCTL addif br0 tap0 makes it work [10:15] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [10:15] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:16] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:18] nowait [10:19] it doesnt [10:19] ffs [10:19] ok so its not JUST that its not part of the bridge [10:19] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:20] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:21] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] now thats interesting [10:22] if i add tap0 to br0... and then restart openvpn, it drops out of the bridge again [10:22] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:23] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: [10:24] maybe it has something to do with using openvpn mktun to create the bridge in the first place..... but i dont see how just stopping and starting the daemon would affect a persistent tunnel [10:24] theblackbox: as I mentioned to you yesterday, it is not recommended that you run sbopkg with all your directories in your /root directory. please try using the default setup which works fine. it also looks like you do not have a default full install of slackware 12.2. Both slackbuilds.org and sbopkg are only supported on default full installs. [10:25] WTF [10:25] chess, yes I understand, I have tried the default, using root was just a little something I thought I'd try (I did these exact same steps yesterday too) [10:26] killing the openvpn process actually destroys the tap0 interface(!) [10:26] alas, I can't be arsed having to to a FULL install just to get this working, as I'll never get the opportunity to reclaim the wasted space [10:26] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:27] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [10:28] theblackbox: it might very well work, and I am using it on a less than full install, but I'm just saying that officially slackbuilds.org supports default full installs [10:28] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0ec9ebc816b488aa) joined ##slackware. [10:28] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC02FEB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] yeah, as far as I can tell, all that stops it working is the "Function not implemented" thing [10:29] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:32] did want to raise an issue, but I always end up finding it's something to do with my end of the stick [10:32] s/issue/ticket [10:33] hmm, I know folks using sbopkg without issue on a linode vm [10:33] yeah, I've done it myself on 12.0 (and that's no longer officially supported on sbopkg iirc) [10:33] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0ec9ebc816b488aa) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-170-233.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [10:34] UdontKnow (i=evaldo@freenode/staff/udontknow) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:37] alienBOB: was it you who asked me about the other channels in our namespace? [10:38] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-25d4fb520e4e7e58) joined ##slackware. [10:38] hi all. anyone knows how to crypt a credentials text file that fstab uses to mount samba shares? [10:39] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.24) joined ##slackware. [10:40] this is a text file with username and password only. [10:40] but i don'k know how to make i readable from fstab. [10:41] or more exactly "mount.cifs" [10:41] sorry for bad english :( [10:42] headbrake: I think the idea is to make it read only by root, not encrypted. at least that's the way I've seen it documented. [10:42] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-25d4fb520e4e7e58) left irc: Client Quit [10:43] yes...i've already done that. but that documents and the relative password are very personal. [10:45] anyone who could see the filesystem or become root in some way has credentials to my smaba server [10:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:46] headbrake : i don't think it's possible. your best bet is to use a different password for that, from your other passwords [10:46] headbrake: yes, I do not think you can encrypt a smbpasswd file. Encrypt your data if it's that much of a concern. [10:47] or use an encrypted filesystem [10:47] Hi Stx yes that was me' [10:47] unfortunately "man mount.cifs" doesn't talk about encryption... [10:47] I sent a GCF to Freenode to claim #slackware* for Slackware, Inc. [10:48] Never heard anything back so far [10:48] headbrake : think of it this way: you can't 'encrypt' it. mount.cifs has to be able to use it to provide to the cifs server [10:48] headbrake: the credentials file cannot be encrypted [10:48] alienBOB: Patrick would need to do that... [10:48] All you can do is chown root:root and chmod 400 [10:48] Stx: the GCF has Patrick as promary contact and me as secondary [10:49] ok thx a lot. now i know it is not possible [10:49] alienBOB: wigglit is the GC for ##slackware-* namespace tho [10:49] s/promary/primary/ [10:49] alienBOB: k [10:49] nheco_ (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Stx: the ##slackware namespace is in good hands [10:49] alienBOB: Ill look it up tonight when I get home from work. When was this sent? [10:49] Action: Stx nods [10:49] It's just the #slackware* namespace that should be connected to Slackware. Some goon hi-jacked #slackware64 [10:50] oh? [10:50] nheco_ (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:50] Stx: a week or so ago [10:50] Ill deal with that [10:50] Let me check the log [10:50] Action: chess always wondered why we weren't in #slackware [10:51] alienBOB: There, dealt with it, I transferred it to freenode-staff while we are waiting for confirmation on that GCF. [10:51] alienBOB: since you're here... i dont suppose you know anything about starting tap interfaces at boot do you? im having an insane fail... rc.tap works if run manually after boot.. but if called from rc.local during boot.. it just doesnt set it up right [10:51] have ta ask cause ive hit a brick wall [10:51] chess: It's because of the freenode channel policy, checkout our website for more info please. [10:52] Stx: may 22 2009 somewhat after 22:00 CET [10:52] Stx: cool thanks! [10:52] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [10:53] echo Hello, people! [10:53] Zordrak: I have a rc.vdenetwork that creates a tap interface as part of the procedure - I use VDE to connect my QEMU virtual machines together [10:53] may i? [10:53] Zordrak: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vde/build/rc.vdenetwork - maybe you can get inspiration [10:53] ty [10:54] i could understand if it never worked... but it ONLY fails at boot.. if i stop then start the same script after login... all is well [10:54] skinnyquiver (n=skinnyqu@63.228.211.210) left ##slackware. [10:55] Stx: just curious, which policy? it seems #slackware would be a primary channel name, just like #debian, #fedora, what-have-you [10:56] I see the channel naming page and the explanation between primary channels and topical channels, but I still don't understand why we have ##slackware and not #slackware. not a big deal, just curious. [10:56] chess: iirc, it has to do with 'official' v. 'community' [10:56] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:56] Pat wont bless one channel [10:57] iirc [10:57] ah [10:57] s/wont/shouldn't/ -- too much nonsense :P [10:58] alienBOB: you might have inadvertntly pointed me at the problem [10:58] alienBOB: thank you [10:59] Good [10:59] alienBOB: i think im loading tun module too late [10:59] your funky little "is it loaded" check madie me stop and think [10:59] chess: Because noone here is the owner of the slackware project. [10:59] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:00] Action: Dominian slaps Stx [11:00] :) [11:00] HEY! [11:00] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:00] Stx: You were late to the party yesterday! [11:00] Did I deserve that?! [11:00] :-(. [11:00] would be cool to have pat hang out a liitle more often though :) [11:00] Dominian: Oh? what did I miss? [11:00] Stx: Well, maybe.. dunno yet. [11:00] Stx: maybe atm. volkerdi stops by now and again. :-) [11:00] heh [11:00] Stx: what I PM'd you about lol [11:01] Action: alienBOB joins the traffic jam ... bbl [11:01] Dominian: Ah yeah, the troll! [11:01] +s [11:01] well one guy, multiple nicks [11:01] Do you remember the hostname? [11:01] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-201-114.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:02] hrm.. [11:02] it was an IP.. [11:02] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-119-103.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:02] let me check my bacck log [11:02] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [11:02] aha! [11:02] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left ##slackware ("Burn it with fire~~~"). [11:02] I was wrong [11:02] Stx: rb5bk147.net.upc.cz [11:02] Shuren (n=Devilman@host80-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:03] idiots name was NigroLinux [11:03] but I believe alienBOB nailed him [11:03] or rworkman [11:03] Dominian: rworkman did, iirc. [11:03] One of the two got slackboy on him hehe [11:03] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [11:03] k [11:03] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.57.98) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] Action: Stx adds him to the "people who might deserve a kline if they continue trolling"-list [11:04] heh [11:04] Well, his conversation was definitely.... not right for the channel. [11:05] s/channel/network/ [11:05] or any channel [11:05] Action: Dominian gots logs [11:05] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-201-114.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:06] I was thinking of adding him to the Akick list (since I cannot access our fellow eggie right now), unless ofcourse someone else already '.+ban'-ed him in slackboy [11:06] Dominian: Do you remember what his ident field was? 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[11:07] Stx: i=1000@rb5bk147.net.upc.cz [11:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:08] Dominian: cool [11:08] irssi logging ftw [11:08] here is what i have : 19:47 :: Join: NigroLinux (i=1000@rb5bk147.net.upc.cz) to ##slackware [11:08] ah, Dominian beat me to it [11:08] :) [11:08] /lastlog [11:09] cat | grep | more :-) [11:09] hehe [11:09] that's too hard [11:09] yeah [11:10] that's almost like ... getting the elapased time for a process that is running: [11:10] ps aux | grep httpd | grep -v grep | ps -o etime `awk '{ print $2 }'` [11:10] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b787162886e30095) left irc: Client Quit [11:10] haha [11:11] actually reading back through the logs, he spewed some funny stuff. still needed to be kicked, but funny nonetheless. [11:12] lol@ 1000@ [11:12] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) left irc: "Leaving" [11:12] Dominian : ps -o etime $(pgrep httpd) <- a bit shorter :) [11:13] headbrake (n=headbrak@78.134.15.169) left irc: "Leaving" [11:13] likevinyl_ (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [11:13] Action: Zordrak offers a sacrifice to alienBOB [11:14] even though you didnt know... it was still you that pointed me at my fail [11:14] allend (n=allend@CPE-138-217-111-75.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:14] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A577.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:14] Please fill out a donor card for your grey-matter... valuable stuff [11:14] ananke: damn you! [11:15] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:15] Zordrak: Oh cool, figured it out eh? [11:16] headbrake (n=headbrak@78.134.15.169) joined ##slackware. [11:17] headbrake (n=headbrak@78.134.15.169) left irc: Client Quit [11:17] headbrake (n=headbrak@78.134.15.169) joined ##slackware. [11:18] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] agentc0re|work: yeah [11:20] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.61.147) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:20] damn simple [11:20] the example openvpn start up scripts assume you will call the tap startup as part of the openvpn startup [11:20] What was it? [11:21] and loads- the tun module in the openvpn init then calls the tap init [11:21] cause im doing it as a separate rc im doing tap init first THEN calling openvpn init [11:21] but the modprobe tun was in the top of the openvpn init [11:22] all i had to do was move it to the tap init [11:22] simples [11:22] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.19.0.40) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Coolness. [11:22] was thrown off because `$openvpn --mktun --dev tap0` creates tap0 even if the tun module is unloaded [11:23] in the back of my brain i assumed that tun would have to be loaded for tap0 to be initialised [11:24] alienBOB turned me on to the solution by showing me his tap init script which has a check-and-wait that stops tap creation until tun module is loaded [11:25] which made me stop and think about the module... just hadnt given it any thought before cause i thought tap0 was evidence of loading [11:29] Nick change: jgor_ -> jgor [11:29] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] headbrake_ (n=headbrak@78.134.13.86) joined ##slackware. [11:34] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-144-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:36] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3d794d8abb7deb0b) joined ##slackware. [11:36] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. 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[12:06] yep, "when it's done" [12:06] Hey thrice`, how's it going? [12:06] ok, at work. you ? [12:07] doing great, thank you. :) [12:08] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn193.91-127-249.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:09] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host72-237-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:09] hi thrice`!!!! [12:11] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [12:11] \o/ [12:12] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:13] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:13] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fbeb3bf572e69406) left irc: [12:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:14] I would say its going to be Slackware 13 and not 12.3... just because of the multitude of changes that have gone into -current since the last release.. but as everyone else stated... when its done is when its released hehe [12:15] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:16] I think it should be Slackware 5, just to fill in the gaps :) [12:16] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Client Quit [12:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:19] Schroeder (i=1000@unaffiliated/unclejimbob) joined ##slackware. [12:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/unclejimbob' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:19] Schroeder kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: known troll (Schroeder/Kurt) [12:20] lol [12:20] sdsfas (n=dfsgshst@host86-152-33-3.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:20] Man.. he just does NOT give up [12:20] hi anyone use ettercap [12:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:22] I use ettercap for various things [12:22] mostly to scare the poop out of clients [12:22] yeah ....k i got a question i was sniffing on my lan ....and i picked up my yahoo password ..it's hash md5 [12:22] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:22] when i logged in [12:23] HASH: R=CB,Y=29,P=DD,V=cA;B=a8,G=8F;N=kc;p=gm,m=b2,Z=75; - The pass is in MD5 format ( _2s43d5f is the salt ) [12:23] i know the password [12:23] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] me__ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "me_em" [12:24] you there antiwire ? [12:24] yes [12:25] you never asked a question.... [12:25] i put the password in password.lst for jtr but said it wasnt hash password [12:25] lol [12:25] Its a psychic thing [12:25] R=CB,Y=29,P=DD,V=cA;B=a8,G=8F;N=kc;p=gm,m=b2,Z=75 <<< thats what i put in the file for jtc [12:26] wondered what i was doing wrong [12:27] ^^ that is the hash passwd isnt it ? [12:27] Don't think so [12:28] that doesn't look like an md5 hash at all [12:28] nope [12:28] YMSG : 66.163.181.166:5050 -> USER: ***** HAR=CB,Y=29,P=DD,V=cA;B=a8,G=8F;N=kc;p=gm,m=b2,Z=75; - The pass is in MD5 format ( _2s43d5f is the salt )SH: [12:28] thats what ettercap tell me [12:29] HAR=HASH [12:30] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:30] sdsfas, try sniffing your webmail rather then the yahoo messenger. [12:31] again, that doesn't even fit the length nor format of an md5 hash. if that is the hash then it's in some sort of encoding that isn't normal [12:31] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) joined ##slackware. [12:31] yeah neonflux_ but thats ssl isnt it ? ..i only started using ettercap yesterday [12:31] so not had musch experience with it [12:32] sdsfas: deep down I want to tell you that this is up to you to figure out on your own. it's not really something that ##slackware should help you do, cracking webmail passwords? [12:32] (yeah i know it's yours.) [12:34] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:34] i didnt know it'd crack webmail passwords [12:34] i should do it! [12:34] ... it wont... [12:34] Nick change: suid0 -> j0k3r_ [12:34] man in the middle ssl [12:34] lo [12:34] l [12:34] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [12:34] hrm.. does ettercap do something different than wireshark? [12:34] mitm is not cracking [12:35] antiwire, why does everything have to be specific? do i have to mention the transition from cracking to man in the middle ? [12:35] i was being general with getting passwords. [12:36] what i would do to bash your head against a charter pole [12:36] jeev: sniffing passwords and cracking passwords are completely different tasks [12:36] Nick change: j0k3r_ -> suid0 [12:36] jeev: are you really threatening me with physical harm? [12:36] thanks for clarifying, i just learned that. thanks!! [12:36] no i'm not, i said what i would do!! [12:36] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [12:38] antiwire, is there a channel for ettercap ? [12:38] the best bet would be the remote exploit forums [12:38] k ....ill look in there [12:38] prepared to be flamed to within an inch of your life too [12:42] btw, what is jtc? [12:43] who me ? [12:43] jtr [12:43] ok [12:45] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] sdsfas (n=dfsgshst@host86-152-33-3.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:49] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-123-248.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:52] ttyX (n=slacker@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [12:52] drijen (n=quassel@pool-71-96-1-8.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] greetings slackers ;) [12:52] Action: drijen screams [12:52] its ttyX [12:52] RUN [12:53] RUN FOR YOUR LIVES [12:53] slawx (n=frk@unaffiliated/slawx) joined ##slackware. [12:53] run for your system you mean? [12:53] systems* [12:53] Action: drijen chucks 10MB platters at ttyX [12:53] Nick change: IrquiM_ -> IrquiM [12:59] Action: theblackbox wakes up just in time to be destroyed by antiquated flying debris [12:59] Action: ttyX waiting for kernel 2.6.30 [13:00] Action: theblackbox spends all eternity wondering if that shouldn't have been "flying antiquated debris" [13:00] if they still made 10MB platters, and someone threw a bunch of them at you, you'd be in danger of inhaling them [13:00] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:00] lol [13:01] Hey Urchlay, how's it going? [13:01] Hey i have suggestion ! [13:02] Its reagarding gaining stats of slackware users .. dont know if its already implimented [13:03] any one interested .? [13:03] antiwire: 747 taking off with shuttle piggybacking. Maybe you've seen it already. http://gizmodo.com/5274949/atlantis-impossible-take-off-on-nasas-747-mothership [13:03] Axius (i=samyw@92.85.210.145) left irc: Client Quit [13:03] only if you'll elaborate first? [13:03] init[1], damn, not this poll again..... 17months...... there, ya happy! [13:03] nice! [13:03] theblackbox: its not a poll actuall [13:03] actually [13:04] hey firebird619 [13:04] ahhh..... ahem..... ignore me [13:04] suggesting a method other than a pol . [13:04] smthing like ddclient which we use with opendns [13:04] a daemon . [13:05] Urchlay: I played duke3d a little more today. I suck at it. I'm still on E1L2. I got farther today, but still got killed. [13:05] oh yeah, cause slackware users are just the kind of people who want their computers monitoring their activities... [13:05] which will submit current kernle , slackware version etc .. to a server [13:05] *kernel [13:05] is this a joke? [13:05] Action: ttyX think ubuntu channel is funny [13:05] thinks* [13:05] Urchlay: oops. . the script opened . [13:05] i mean [13:05] I'm not allowing my machine to blindly update anything to a DB hehe [13:05] Just use the linux counter page [13:05] firebird619: I've made it to E1L4, but that's by way of saving the game a lot, reloading every time I die [13:06] nothing hidden .. [13:06] you're actually suggesting that people run a daemon that tracks their IRC usage uploads data into some database? [13:06] Urchlay: yeah, that's what I do to. :P [13:06] hmmm, yeah, I'm with Dom/anti/urch [13:06] any scirpt expert can verfy it ! [13:06] how does that sound .. [13:06] Urchlay: 10MB Platters are the size of your head or bigger [13:06] heavy too [13:06] sounds horrible, NO WAY. :D [13:06] antiwire thats is another way to do it .. [13:07] drijen, but old enough to be dust by now ;) =P [13:07] i haev a fwe. [13:07] init[1]: I think I am going with "hell .. no .. just .. *no*" [13:07] *have a few [13:07] Hello BP{k}, how are you? [13:07] theblackbox: they wll last longer than you will [13:07] are you threatening me!? [13:07] =P [13:07] BP{k}: check this out http://s.atn.pl/irc/stats/ircnet/slackware.html antiwire [13:07] though its an IRC stat [13:08] firebird619: not too bad, thanks. [13:08] v could have stat of machines runing them [13:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.28) left irc: [13:08] i see that but you don't need some daemon on each client for that... [13:08] init[1]: so how is that different to: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats/ [13:08] antiwire: i suggest a daemon bcus .. we ppl updates things like kernel etc .. [13:08] Action: BP{k} doens't. [13:09] I'm speechless [13:09] BP{k}: i didn't knew that. .thats y i put a disclaimer b4 putting up the topic .. [13:10] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:10] s/y/why && s/b4/before/ [13:10] the idea of running some daemon to track my system's statistics and upload them to $RANDOM_DB is crazy. people could figure out a whole lot about the system and person. it's a huge security hazard to have detailed time synced statistics uploaded to some public DB for parsing. [13:11] BP{k}: please ck few lines abv "Its reagarding gaining stats of slackware users .. dont know if its already implimented" [13:11] reaver___ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" [13:11] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:11] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:11] init[1]: please type in English? [13:12] BP{k}: you mean i should stop usinging short terms ? :) [13:12] yes [13:12] Yes.. [13:12] init[1]: yes. [13:12] Terms that we can actually read and understand would be preferable. [13:12] sorry .. i will stick to the rule :D [13:12] init[1]: It doesn't make you look "cool", more imature and stupid. Wel established short terms/abbreavations are okay however. [13:13] like wtf :p [13:13] zomg [13:13] bbq! [13:13] hmmm meat! [13:13] BP{k}: i didn't meant of make me "cool" . that was not my intention at all .. [13:13] sorry for any missunderstanding [13:15] init[1]: Anyway, there is a lot of difference to having an ircbot parsing the logs, and giving that output, then having some daemon uploading statistics all the time like antiwire pointed out. [13:16] the sad thing is, I think a lot of people would actually run this daemon we're speaking of..maybe even on production systems too [13:16] atleast what about the count ? i understand your point [13:16] there's a counter there for linux users [13:16] counter.li [13:17] Who cares about a counter? [13:17] http://counter.li.org/ [13:17] ttyX: but it doesn't update real time information like kernel etc .those are static [13:17] when user registers [13:18] init[1]: what is the use of gathering that information? [13:18] init[1], well that surely means not that many people can be arsed in the first place? [13:18] any way i just gave a suggestion :) [13:18] http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php <-- actually they collect a various ammount of information. [13:18] //counter.li.org/reports/machines.php //counter.li.org/reports/machines.php [13:19] opps [13:19] ttyX: trumped! ;) [13:19] caught :p [13:19] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.118) joined ##slackware. [13:19] BP{k}: it would interesting to know various trends. any way never mind lev it [13:20] init[1]: trends as in dist1 vs dist2? [13:21] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:21] OK who wants to try the latest fed ora? [13:21] ttyX: no , like counts , number of hours of usage , how often people update etc. we could even give security alerts if they are willing [13:21] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Action: straterra will lev it [13:22] kind of support [13:22] Action: ttyX is expecting bsods this time [13:22] last time I had kernel panics [13:22] DIW [13:22] init[1]: and how would you even measure "how often people update" [13:22] compl3x, hi, I spent some time on my friend's eee today and reconfigured a kernel, not booting much faster yet but at least working and I had enabled kernel mode setting : native resolution linux console ;p [13:22] that would reuqire a list of packages insatlled on a system [13:22] and hi channel :) [13:23] require* [13:23] hey Camarade_Tux :) [13:23] the daemon will start with system startup BP{k} , well it all depends , well they have to be connected atleast [13:24] init[1]: that doesn't answer my question though. [13:24] got it. [13:24] hey ttyX :) [13:24] Besides "updates" would denote what, system updates, Slackware-version updates, Slackware security updates? [13:24] Action: ttyX thinks init[1] wants slackbuntu [13:24] y0 Camarade_Tux, how goes it? [13:25] like see, from the mailing list we usually get security updates etc right .. [13:25] slapt-pkg update :P [13:25] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] yoyo firebird619, nice, the week started today and is already over :) [13:25] Action: eviljames bursts into flames [13:25] and you ? [13:25] blarg [13:25] user password updates, email checking updates, instant messaging usage...you know things like that [13:25] BP{k}: we can make a standard data structure [13:25] Action: firebird619 aims a fire extinguisher in eviljames direction. :D [13:25] wait [13:25] I'm trying to get a tan [13:25] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks. [13:26] which will contain various information . [13:26] eviljames: haha, so I should wait until your near flame broil status? :P [13:26] put him out before he get to "medium well" [13:26] haha, alright. [13:26] eviljames: you have a pop-out timer so I know when that is? :P [13:27] ttyX: not at all .. ubuntu have it within the update client [13:27] firebird619: Just wait until I stop wiggling. :P [13:27] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [13:27] lol, ok. [13:27] bbiab [13:28] Camarade_Tux: sorry could you type that again - my terminals gone funny [13:28] terminal illness? [13:29] rofl [13:29] brb [13:29] oh. [13:29] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [13:29] my terminal's about to explode, everybody hit the DEC! [13:29] ttyX: that was.. ugh. .. I kinda threw up in my mouth a bit [13:29] OHGODNO,URCHLAYWHY?!?! [13:29] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:30] compl3x, I spent some time on my friend's eee today and reconfigured a kernel, not booting much faster yet but at least working and I had enabled kernel mode setting : native resolution linux console ;p [13:30] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:30] Anyone experience this problem with amarok in current32? - just started it up and got KLibLoader could not load the plugin: libamarok_collection-sqlcollecion Error message cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/libamarok_collection-sqlcollection.so ... [13:30] Action: ttyX passes a mouthwash to eviljames [13:30] heh, you must be above some minimum age to get that joke... [13:30] Camarade_Tux: haha nice - ive been working on mine a bit [13:31] Action: compl3x reinstalls amaraok [13:31] Action: ttyX removes kde4 :D [13:31] Urchlay: VanLug has a resident troll who spams the list about how great pdp-8 machines are, and how stupid modern processors are :P [13:31] compl3x: weren't you a flux user? [13:32] compl3x: I do not see that on 64, amarok starts or no? [13:32] eviljames: wonder if he's actually got one in his basement that he uses to post trolls with? [13:32] eviljames: no doesnt start [13:32] init[1]: yeah I moved onto kde4 for a bit to give it a whirl [13:32] compl3x: grep sqlcollection.so /var/log/packages/* returns anything? [13:33] compl3x: could be a corrupt package or the like... [13:33] compl3x, right now, I've only tried to reduce the number of things built into the kernel and haven't touched the disk part, but next time I'll remove unneeded ata or sata support (I'm not sure which one it needs) and then, I'll start building in the kernel instead of building as modules [13:33] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:33] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.2) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Camarade_Tux: nice - need to find some time to do that myself [13:34] eviljames: two sec' [13:34] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] compl3x, as I said to firebird619, my week is already over : almost nothing on tomorrow and absolutely nothing on the day after tomorrow ;p [13:35] so I have some time free :) [13:35] Camarade_Tux: modularize as much as possible. Modern kernels have next to zero latency (measured in ms, or ns can't recall which) to load modules. [13:35] eviljames: im getting nothing - it worked before the latest update.. [13:35] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.111) joined ##slackware. [13:35] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-196-240.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:35] eviljames, actually, disk latency and modprobe are annoying [13:35] hello people [13:36] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.19.0.40) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] eviljames: it doesnt happen on my other pc with fresh slackcurrent - so im assuming its something ive done. [13:36] eviljames, btw, I recompiled the kernel on the eee and typed "make -j 2" at first, then I corrected that and had "make -j"... the machine froze >< [13:36] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] hi pupit :) [13:36] Camarade_Tux: :) [13:37] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [13:37] compl3x: Check which package has that file on the other pc. [13:37] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:37] compl3x: the missing .so thatis [13:38] Camarade_Tux: hah. make -j = DOS. [13:38] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:38] make -j = bsod [13:38] eviljames: dont have access to it atm :/ [13:38] compl3x: let me check on my lappy then. sec. [13:38] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.1.253) joined ##slackware. [13:39] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:39] compl3x: /var/log/packages/amarok-2.0.2-x86_64-2:usr/lib64/kde4/libamarok_collection-sqlcollection.so [13:39] eviljames, and / was ext2, really, never ever think about using ext2 on any partition, it hurts too much [13:39] Camarade_Tux: I use ext3 for / and xfs for /home. [13:39] That's been my setup for ages. [13:39] eviljames: Ill upload the error image [13:40] eviljames: http://imagebin.org/51218 [13:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] eviljames, actually my friend thought that he had made / xfs but actually, only the second partition uses xfs =/ [13:41] btw, any way to convert a partition from ext2 to xfs besides tarring everything, storing it on an external media, format, untar ? [13:41] not really [13:41] compl3x: How about libmysqlclient.so - does it exist? [13:42] eviljames: nope [13:43] the only in-place filesystem conversion I know of on Linux would be ext2 to ext3 (or vice versa), but that's because they're really the same fs (plus or minus the journal) [13:43] compl3x: ...and do you think that might be a problem? :P [13:43] eviljames: haha yep :p might just be... however what does it belong to? [13:43] eviljames: or should I say - where can I find it in my mirror dir. [13:43] n/mysql most probably [13:43] compl3x: a/ or ap/ I think [13:44] I think mysql is a higher-up dep than n/ [13:44] eviljames: okay ill go have a look [13:44] hmmm, I think I'll just get my external hard drive, it should be fast enough :) [13:44] try "ls */mysql*" then [13:44] compl3x: ap/ [13:44] eviljames: I only find mysql and sqllite.. [13:44] mysql-5.0.81-x86_64-2.txz [13:44] okay [13:44] Do you have that package installed? Or the 32bit equiv [13:45] mysql should be ap (pr probably in patches (for slackware-12.2)) [13:45] eviljames: actually - thinking of this - i thinking I removed it the other day XD and i cant remember why [13:45] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-04a769f230ec2506) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Action: compl3x kills himself [13:45] Cheers eviljames [13:45] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.78.61) joined ##slackware. [13:45] lol [13:46] compl3x, btw, did you manage to estimate the battery life ? my friends eee gets nearly 6 hours when idle (and things not yet really tweaked) [13:47] Camarade_Tux: kind of - ive been running it quite a lot recently - when under some stress the percentage drops reasonably fast... I must of got atleast 4-5 hours out of it [13:47] Action: ttyX waiting for santa to gift him dual-core dv2 next chrishtmas [13:47] Camarade_Tux: this is with everything disabled in bios - other than audio and wireless etc [13:47] compl3x, what did you disable for instance ? [13:47] Camarade_Tux: webcam - ethernet - bluetooth [13:47] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-04a769f230ec2506) left irc: Client Quit [13:48] you could just do something like "installpkg */mysql-*t?z" [13:48] Camarade_Tux: card reader. [13:48] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8b45fba8035ab044) joined ##slackware. [13:48] oh, right patches/ [13:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [13:49] boycott ASUS they're with MS trying to sabotage Linux! [13:49] ttyX: I love my little eeepc way to much :p so no sorry. [13:49] however- xandros that came with it I wiped off in 2 seconds [13:49] xandros just smells [13:49] compl3x, I know that bringing wifi down with ifconfig gave 10-20 additional minute but I have no idea for the others, I guess I'll just benchmark :) [13:50] xandros is debian afterall [13:50] ttyX: That's false. [13:50] Camarade_Tux: nice [= [13:50] eviljames: I know [13:50] ttyX: The Asus + Windows site you're thinking of is a clever troll. [13:50] :p [13:50] oh [13:50] ttyX: Ive got no problems with debian [13:50] heh, I think it's a *really* clever troll, but a troll nontheless :P [13:50] I can appreciate the clever ones... but things like chowabunga drive me bonkers :P [13:51] Action: compl3x has sunburnt nipples. [13:51] eviljames: ++ [13:51] trolls will be trolls [13:51] Yeah, but I wish they'd be more inventive [13:51] eviljames: Im starting to really really like kde 4 ]= [13:51] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Action: ttyX doesn't like akonadi popping up [13:52] ttyX: I didnt either -its stopped now when i gave it funny looks :p [13:52] Action: Camarade_Tux starts eduk32 [13:52] tbh I didn't give it a chance - now I have and got it customized Im starting to love it [13:52] compl3x: Don't be sad, it's a fantastic DE. Especially once yo uget the desktop effects going and tweak your screen corners to show all windows & show all desktops [13:54] eviljames: be happy dude - atleast im using it now :p [13:54] Urchlay, yeah, I can irc while I play duke nukem ! [13:55] flashblind (i=flashbli@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.1.253) left irc: Client Quit [13:56] Action: ttyX wants crysis linux port [13:56] Action: compl3x is fed up with directx [13:57] crysis and fallout 3 are addictive [13:57] Nick change: flashblind -> topgun17 [13:57] topgun17 (i=flashbli@server1.bshellz.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:57] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC02FEB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:58] ttyX: all i do on crysis is put god mode + unlimited amo on and go around blowing up chickens with that big ass missile launcher [13:59] gta4 is the worst pc port ever though [13:59] gta4 is awfull full stop. [13:59] waisted my money on it on xbox [14:00] if they wanted to compete with crytek they needed to do someting way better [14:00] crysis is heavy on resources for a reason [14:00] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [14:00] but gta4 is a plain example of bad a bad console port [14:01] err [14:01] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [14:02] phoronix had an interesting thread about linux ports of popular games yesterday [14:02] eviljames: finally quitting. [14:03] compl3x: btw how is kde :) [14:03] init[1]: treating me well suprisingly [14:04] ask me and I'd say I'll stick with xfce :p [14:04] ttyX: im xfce fan .. [14:04] yht (n=yht@114.121.47.245) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:04] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC02FEB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] but just wana try kde .. [14:04] not a huge fan of xfce [14:04] kde4 sucks up my system :( [14:04] my systems too powerfull for what i ever use it for , so kde makes sense [14:05] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:05] hmm.. btw i hate the konqur [14:05] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:05] konqueror could've been done better [14:05] that file manager ..browser + what not [14:05] init[1]: they use dolphin now - its awesome [14:06] init[1]: I just use dolphin + firefox [14:06] dophin as a file manager makesmuch more sense [14:06] dolphin* [14:06] wow .. thats news .. , thing is they don't follow the unix rule [14:06] DukeNukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Action: drijen hates dolphin [14:06] konq is much better [14:06] init[1]: so? [14:06] Action: ttyX hates kde4 [14:06] init[1]: the way I see it now - it works - [14:06] A thing must do what its suppose to do .. i mean the konqueror [14:07] Action: compl3x has recently transformed from a kde4 hater to lover. [14:07] Action: ttyX wants gnomeshipped with next release [14:07] Action: drijen laughs at ttyX [14:07] ttyX: GTFO [14:07] Action: init[1] hate gnome [14:07] ok then xfce [14:07] :p [14:07] i think you are behind the times. :p [14:08] drijen: me ? [14:08] no [14:08] maybe I'll try kde4 somewhere around 4.5.x [14:08] ttyX: why wait .. can't you use it with sw13 [14:08] till then kde 3.5 [14:08] I recently went from a fluxbox lover into a kde lover - when I got it customized its amazing - actually so smooth [14:08] compl3x: no wonder [14:09] <3 the fluxbox [14:09] flux is soo flexible that noob get lost .. in the forest .. [14:09] Action: jumperboy loves fluxbox [14:09] drijen: I still love it :) just dont use it on this pc anymore [14:09] compl3x: i have recently gotten into scotwm [14:09] Action: jumperboy unimpressed with kde4 [14:09] Action: ttyX XFCE for life [14:10] xfce fugly. [14:10] drijen: it's a matter of choice [14:10] i know [14:10] Action: init[1] most flexible softwares are difficult to learn but once conqured you will have it ;) [14:10] Action: drijen flames ttyX anyway :D [14:10] I love fluxbos too [14:10] fluxbox* [14:10] Action: jumperboy thinking of checking out tiled wm: ion, dwm, wmii, awesome, etc. [14:11] I love them all actually [14:11] sidmario (n=xxx@189-18-235-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:11] kde4 will hopefully improve in future [14:11] jumperboy: lynucs.org makes it impossible to decide :p [14:11] to my lining I mean [14:11] liking* [14:12] they all serve different purposes [14:12] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:12] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:12] and now as the size of packages has gone down I wnt gnome too :p [14:13] A_666_A (n=xxx@201-92-129-167.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:13] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] some are asking for gnome, I'm onlu asking for openbox ;p [14:14] lets have a poll [14:14] no [14:14] to heck with Xorg on that old laptop, its not worth the trouble, CLI on that baby [14:14] atleast gnome will get my vote [14:14] :p [14:15] gnome euuyck [14:15] Pig_Pen, X usually gives you more battery life ;) [14:15] I wouldn't mind gnome if it weren't going to get everywhere [14:16] Camarade_Tux: have you been smoking crack!? the more crap you have running the more the battery is going to get drained [14:16] http://blog.lxde.org/?p=330 <- gpicview with gif animation support :) [14:16] ttyX: are there any mac like theme avaialble for xfce [14:17] Pig_Pen, that's not about cpu, X may give you power management for the graphic card ! [14:17] Action: ttyX is allergic to apples [14:17] Action: init[1] love grapes and apples :D [14:17] Action: Camarade_Tux ate a banana at dinner [14:18] bananas send you back in time [14:18] I love them [14:18] Camarade_Tux: we where talking about mac :P [14:18] yep : got it [14:18] hey whts your opinion about http://www.lxde.org/ [14:19] lxde is great [14:19] Anyone using gimpshop in current? [14:19] can beat xfce in future [14:19] but openbox isn't a good idea [14:19] hmm .. ttyX have you tried it yet? [14:19] yep [14:20] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/unclejimbob expired. [14:20] Debian Lenny [14:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/unclejimbob' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:20] how is lxde ? [14:20] its very smooth and PCMan rox [14:20] i mean is it like xfce [14:20] i would have had slackware-11 on it but even the newest 2.4.xx kernel does not have the wifi support i need [14:21] yes it is like xfce but has got less features as it's not meant to be a full blown desktop [14:21] from the screenshots its seem its kinda feature rich xfce [14:21] its meant to be a light weight desktop [14:21] init[1], lol, I was about to ask what you were speaking about ;p [14:22] Action: Camarade_Tux is reading http://blog.lxde.org/?p=352 and is about to comment [14:22] Camarade_Tux: LXDE [14:22] havn't tried it yet but seems good [14:22] LXDE has a bright future ahead [14:22] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:22] the page I just pointed to may annoy you... [14:23] DukeNukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:24] who was DukeNukem ? =P [14:24] a mystery man [14:24] hope you know init[1] :D [14:24] he just quit, I need to know ! [14:24] He was the Dukiest of all the Dukes [14:25] may be call of nature :P [14:25] he was duked in his childhood [14:25] DukeNukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] I'm stealing chicks and getting away with it [14:26] wanted to be a dude but ended up being a duke [14:26] sad story really [14:26] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] hey i wld like to share a 36 sec video can you tell your views http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcesFvN4JcY [14:26] Action: ttyX wishes he could watch videos without X [14:27] there is smthing like ascii lib [14:27] you spelled out 'without' but not 'would'? [14:27] aalib [14:27] oops. [14:27] srsly wtf [14:27] sory [14:27] yh rt [14:27] *would [14:28] btw did you watch it ? [14:28] init[1]: smells like spam [14:28] Pig_Pen: :(( [14:28] ttyX: mplayer can play videos on the framebuffer or svgalib [14:28] what did i do ?:( Pig_Pen [14:29] if you have svgalib installed, you can do links -g as well :P [14:29] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:29] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] that was kind a funny video so i shared it :) Pig_Pen [14:29] Im not related to vodaphone [14:30] yht (n=yht@114.121.6.120) joined ##slackware. [14:30] actually, and this might come as a shock for you... [14:30] Darth Vodaphone is your father [14:30] what? [14:30] That's impossible!! [14:30] Darth? [14:30] who is that ? [14:31] eh, you haven't ever seen "The Empire Strikes Back"? [14:31] http://apina.biz/14629.png [14:31] dark side ? [14:31] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] antiwire: what is that yellow thing [14:32] Urchlay: any tuts on that? [14:32] you are aware of scroll bars right? [14:32] yes antiwire [14:32] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-75-131.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:33] lol go it [14:33] super mario [14:33] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:33] simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.73.3) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:33] ttyX: huh? You're looking for a Sith-Powers-HOWTO? I think they don't have that on tldp.org [14:34] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:34] Urchlay: :D [14:34] the Empire isn't exactly open-source-friendly [14:34] Action: init[1] init[0] [14:34] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "Leaving" [14:34] that sux curse you MS! [14:38] http://apina.biz/14629.png <----- whaoh.... way too much time... [14:38] lol [14:38] ttyX (n=slacker@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [14:39] crap, I saw "lubuntu" being mentionned again, I think I'll always laugh at it :p [14:40] loo-buntu? [14:40] more polite way of saying ubunturd? [14:41] tooly (n=theo@e178189137.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:41] I always think of lube-untu [14:41] heh [14:42] one day I'll troll and ask them if they're water-based :) [14:42] this can't be good http://apina.biz/7586.jpg [14:42] antiwire, but he only wants to play ! [14:42] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] That looks especially dangerous considering the size of that bear. [14:43] nobody ever taught him "don't play with your food" I guess [14:43] It's certainly not big enough to be more than 2 - 3 years old, which means that a much bigger, much more dangerous mother bear is around. [14:43] BEER! [14:43] distrowatch finally modified their article on slackware-current after i blogged about it [14:43] (bigger than your average bear, booboo!) [14:43] And, guess what?! They don't like it when you play with their young! [14:43] http://apina.biz/17061 <- ouch [14:43] even if he gets inside that SUV there is no way that can keep the bear away, he needs to get the engine started and vamoose out of there [14:43] Pig_Pen: here's hoping the engine block isn't frozen [14:44] Doesn't look like the block heater of the SUV is plugged in.. depending on the weather, it better be already running or it's not going to move anytime soon. [14:44] maybe he's got a bunch of guns in the SUV [14:44] or grenades... [14:44] Or hookers [14:44] or blow [14:44] One of these 4 things will help him. Some combination will do a lot of good. [14:45] what, give the bear a couple lines of coke and he won't eat you? [14:45] hookers/grenades GOOD. blow/guns GOOD., blow/hookers EXTRA good! [14:45] NSFW http://apina.biz/15764 NSFW, I think I have a higher res of this pic on my HD :D [14:45] it better be a big gun, something like a 44 or 45 the very least a 357, or a high powered hunting rifle, [14:45] Pig_Pen: 30-065 [14:45] My dad does bear hunting with his .44 [14:45] i'm sure if he just reasoned with the bear... [14:45] s/065/06/ [14:45] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.111) left irc: "Leaving." [14:46] well, a mini LAN is waiting for me :) [14:46] if he's got a hooker in the car, I guess all he has to do is run faster than her [14:46] see you :) [14:47] Urchlay: and the blow will help him do that! [14:47] (and if she's wearing stripper shoes, that's probably easy) [14:47] hm. "All of this content is gathered automatically via links in IRC." [14:47] so there's bots hanging out harvesting stuff. Fun. [14:47] :D [14:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:47] Urchlay: It's not bots. It's the singularity [14:47] Urchlay: Call it what you will (SkyNet comes to mind) [14:47] I'd like to have stats about how many images come from which channels ;p [14:48] when the singularity happens, it'll probably happen while I'm asleep [14:48] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn193.91-127-249.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:48] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [14:48] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn58.78-99-159.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [14:48] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:49] and, in the meantime, before the singularity happens: [14:49] http://southernfriedscience.com/2009/04/26/how-to-brew-beer-in-a-coffee-maker-using-only-materials-commonly-found-on-a-modestly-sized-oceanographic-research-vessel/ [14:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:50] vegemite? ewwww [14:51] If you have a better way of brewing beer in a coffee machine, I'd like to hear it. [14:52] lol [14:52] you know I'm tempted to try that [14:52] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [14:52] just to say I've done it [14:52] You think I'm not going out and getting some supplies before getting home from work? [14:52] :) [14:53] speaking of vegemite http://apina.biz/1345.jpg [14:54] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC02FEB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:55] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:55] can you hear can you hear the thunder [14:57] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [14:57] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Bojevnik_ (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:59] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn58.78-99-159.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:59] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn26.91-127-90.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [15:00] antiwire: So did i inspire youenough to go jumping yet? [15:00] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] paypal me the funds for my next 10 jumps! [15:01] me2plz [15:02] I don't need motivation to jump out of planes, I need money! [15:02] Action: agentc0re|work checks his pockets [15:03] $POCKETS=0 [15:03] LOL, that pic Camarade_tux post is NOT work safe. hahaha. [15:04] ok, how not work safe? [15:04] some t and a. kinda nice... [15:05] Very nice. [15:05] Just glad no one was around when i clicked on it. [15:05] hah [15:06] holy smokes.... did that kangaroo just commit suicide?! [15:06] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-196-240.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:06] http://apina.biz/1345.jpg <---- heh never seen such a thing [15:06] lol [15:08] nheco (n=babao@201.66.188.225) joined ##slackware. [15:08] but it is aus so i wouldn't doubt a shark got it [15:08] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:08] how in the world could ups put on their tracking thing that they came here and attmpted to deliver a package to me yesterday when i was at home [15:09] idiots [15:09] yeah you probably had your ghey music turned up too loud to hear him [15:09] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-251.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:09] nw [15:09] naw [15:10] Maybe the sign that says, "Go the fsck away!" did it? [15:10] ;) [15:10] don't knock her Air Supply [15:11] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8b45fba8035ab044) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [15:11] just drive to the local UPS facility and get it [15:12] nheco (n=babao@201.66.188.225) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [15:13] nheco (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Hey, californians. Anybody want to explain something to me? [15:13] wont have time now i'm gona leave for work in ten minutes. baby threw up all over his barf vader shirt lul [15:14] It's political, maybe worthy of pm? [15:15] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [15:15] What's the deal with the budget? I'm reading about how some ballot initiatives with the intent of "restoring sanity" were shot down. Anyone know what this is all about? [15:16] nheco (n=nheco@201.66.188.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] nullboy probably would. i haven't seen him in a while, though [15:16] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:17] antler: yeah, I haven't seen him in a while either. heard he was doing ok though [15:18] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [15:20] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [15:20] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [15:21] 12:14 < eklof> How do I upgrade? I use console only on my server. [15:21] 12:14 <@asyd> man pkg? [15:21] 12:15 < eklof> I think that brings the manpage, not updates the system... [15:22] That's worth a chuckle, I think. [15:23] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [15:23] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ef969a10cbd4bc87) joined ##slackware. [15:24] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.18.63) joined ##slackware. [15:25] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-188-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[15:34] hehe [15:35] Which, as I understand, means that I just use wget on my own, instaed of in the slackpkg script :P [15:35] s/instaed/instead/ [15:35] right... and you need to know which subdirectory contains a particular package [15:36] i think there might be a bug in slackpkg when used with slackware64... for some reason it doesn't want to install certain packages [15:36] or more precisely... it cannot find them [15:36] which ones? [15:37] all those that are unambigous [15:37] e.g., when i say something like: "slackpkg install xterm", it cannot find xterm [15:37] rg31 (n=deckard@62.32.151.126) joined ##slackware. [15:37] however, when i say "slackpkg install gcc", it can find them because multiple packages exist that start with gcc- [15:38] So, resolving multiple packages works, but single ones does not. [15:38] so it seems [15:40] rg32 (n=deckard@62.32.128.23) joined ##slackware. [15:40] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.18.63) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:40] out of curiosity, does gcc* work ? [15:41] yup [15:41] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.36) joined ##slackware. [15:41] but xterm* does not ;) [15:42] but now comes the interesting part... [15:42] slackpkg download xterm does work [15:47] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [15:50] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [15:50] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left ##slackware. [15:53] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:56] gram (i=graham@mknod.org) joined ##slackware. [15:56] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [15:58] rg31 (n=deckard@62.32.151.126) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:58] ummm [15:59] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [15:59] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left ##slackware. [16:00] snewp (i=slacker@cpe-69-203-220-240.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:00] uas: if downloading it works, just use upgrade or installpkg [16:00] that's what i did [16:01] however, it'd be cool to get this fixed [16:01] Indeed. Personally, I'm not particularly interested :P... some people here probably are. [16:01] When a slackbuild script supports passing arguments to it, is "./script.SlackBuild ARG1=yes ARG2=yes" the same as "ARG1=yes ARG2=yes ./script.SlackBuild" [16:02] override first, iirc [16:02] ARG2=yes ./.SlackBuild [16:03] how should one properly pass the override if the script is being run as a user using sudo? [16:03] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-83-236.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] DukeNukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] antiwire: su -c 'ARG1=yes ./.SlackBuild' [16:03] awesome, thanks [16:03] Action: eviljames avoids sudo [16:03] lol i'm trying this ubuntu out [16:03] it also works with su -c 'ARCH="x86_64" ./.SlackBuild' if that helps [16:04] eviljames: yeah both help. thanks [16:04] firefox crashes too much :/ [16:04] eviljames: lol dont like sudo? ;) [16:04] antiwire: np [16:04] lf4: That's like saying: "lol dont like security holes?" :P [16:04] superGear: Yeah i would know that haha FF crashes. [16:04] lf4, on ubuntu it crashes alot [16:04] more so then on slack [16:05] atleast for me [16:05] Though, they may have cleaned a few of those up. [16:05] eviljames: I perfer to call security holes busy work :) [16:05] slackpkg? ubuntu? what's wrong with all you people? :-) [16:05] A boat with holes just makes you have to bail it out faster :P haha [16:06] mbohun: tell me about it... [16:06] mbohun: you forgot "sudo?" [16:06] lynx does not crash at all :D [16:07] Nick change: DukeNukem -> NukeDukem [16:07] Action: lf4 always uses elinks [16:07] FF crashes most likely caused by some plugin or combination of plugins [16:07] flash plugin is the main cause for myself i've noticed. [16:08] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.1.253) joined ##slackware. [16:09] mbohun: what's wrong with slackpkg? [16:09] flash rarely cause FF to crash on slackware [16:10] eviljames: I'm just curious, why do you avoid sudo? is it because of what I just described? [16:10] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left ##slackware. [16:10] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.1.253) left irc: Client Quit [16:10] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.1.253) joined ##slackware. [16:10] antiwire: No, it's because of various security holes I've heard of. [16:11] ah [16:11] "flash plugin" for linux seem to be very badly written - you get a bit better performance if you leave some of the movies download/cache first, but still it uses most of the time 80-90% CPU on my Pentium M 2.00GHz laptop [16:11] flash plugin often pins my CPU too [16:11] just watching an embedded flash movie at hulu or guba does it [16:12] thumbs: well what is the point in trying to create another bubbantu just with a different name? [16:12] mbohun: I beg to differ. Slackpkg does not resolve dependencies. [16:13] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] mbohun: it's nice, since it let's you see the package that have been updated, in a simple interface. [16:13] hulu and fox on demand is horrible [16:13] thumbs: so what is wrong with installpkg? and pkgtool? [16:13] sheesh, getting a nick registered is a pain [16:14] can't play Full screen even on Windows [16:14] topgun21_ (n=topgun17@adsl-153-41-160.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.1.253) left irc: Client Quit [16:14] mbohun: nothing. Finding out what packages you need to update can be time-consuming. [16:14] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.1.253) joined ##slackware. [16:14] what i didn't like about installpkg is that i need to know which subdirectory a particular package is in [16:14] mbohun: especially when you administer 30+ boxes [16:15] slackpkg will just fetch it from whereever it is [16:15] uas cd in to the sub dir with the packages you want first then do installpkg [16:15] well yeah, but I don't have a slackware mirror on my disk ;) [16:15] thumbs: since when? i keep receiving automatic updates when a patched version is released [16:16] mbohun: email notifications. OK. I don't solely rely on that. [16:16] tooly (n=theo@e178189137.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [16:17] thumbs: those are official slackware security advisories: http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/?C=M;O=D [16:17] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:17] get some firewood, we have a heretic to burn [16:18] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:18] mbohun: after years of manually updating my boxes, I welcome a more automated way. [16:18] is that your last words? [16:19] not even a sign of apology? burn baby burn [16:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] ahh, nothing like blind zealotry [16:21] ananke: pardon me? [16:21] heh [16:21] thumbs : i'm talking about mbohun's comments [16:22] ananke: oh. [16:23] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) joined ##slackware. [16:23] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:23] heh nice to see that the canadian dollar is gaining strength again -- 1usd = 1.08cdn (xe.com) [16:24] Hey, Is there a proper way to log every possible bit out output that a slackbuild script might generate? I'm using "2>&1 | tee /tmp/logs/program.log" for configure but I'm not so sure that I'm doing it correctly. Would I need to use that for each command in the build script? [16:24] bit out/bit of [16:25] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-146-41-189.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] for configure, make and make install at least [16:26] su -c 'ARG=yes ./.SlackBuild' 2>&1 | tee /tmp/logs/program.log [16:26] assuming that your user has write access. Why not capture everything from su on down? [16:27] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) joined ##slackware. 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[16:38] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [16:39] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:40] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:47] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431467.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Hey guys, just finished following the instructions on http://michielvwessem.wordpress.com/howto/installing-openofficeorg/ to install open office, got to the point where bash outputs "Package creation complete." What should I do next? Thanks! [16:48] BP{k}: ping [16:48] BP{k}: you're up slugger [16:48] installpkg /tmp/ [16:49] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Thank you! [16:51] when it says package creation complete, it will tell you the name of the package file [16:51] jplcrd: it *tells* you what to do in step 10!!! [16:52] Step 10: Install (or upgrade) the newly create slackware package. [16:52] jplcrd: for next time, reading the tutorial until the end will save you some questions :P [16:52] Action: BP{k} will add this to the guide ;) [16:52] Haha :P Well I did read the tutorial until the end, I was just confused by the command installpkg(8) [16:53] Maybe the tutorial should explicitly state to run it according to the syntax Necos provided me with! [16:53] Thanks guys, help appreciated! :) [16:54] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:54] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:54] BP{k}: man.. noobs can't figure out your tutorial!? [16:54] BP{k}: rewrite it! [16:54] hehe [16:55] jplcrd: I think the tutorial assumes you've read the slackbook... [16:55] spoonfeed them [16:55] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:55] hmm what is strange for me, that there are no gcc performance test on various cpu ... this might be a matter of interset for many users due to linux packages nature ...... [16:56] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:56] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:56] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [16:56] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-104.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [16:59] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:00] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-83-236.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] sounds like a troll paul424... [17:02] everybody knows gcc is slow anywhere [17:02] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] heh, even then... [17:03] most people don't care about gcc performance because they use pre-built binaries [17:03] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:03] so, stop feeding trolls =p [17:04] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:04] paul424: that is simply not true. I know at least of some benchmarks for gcc on different archs [17:06] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] Necos: yumy yumy yumy ,,, ok if that;s trolling I stop at once [17:06] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn26.91-127-90.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [17:08] the only people that care about gcc performance are developers... and there are plenty mailing lists that discuss it [17:08] or blogs [17:09] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "caindo fora!" [17:09] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [17:10] I'm going to setup rlogs [17:10] hehehe [17:10] for a rant log site [17:10] all it will is a rage posts [17:11] oh wait..that's what most blogs are anyway! hahah [17:11] bad joke ^^ [17:11] rhys (n=rhys@r-lyeh.meds.CWRU.Edu) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] I'm here all week [17:11] jplcrd: page updated, thank you. [17:11] antiwire: go home ^^ [17:11] lol [17:12] MPlayer just exploded all over the place: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: demux_open [17:12] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:14] antiwire, google. [17:14] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-123-248.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] what? [17:14] nothing [17:14] i've got to stop picking fights [17:14] I didn't ask anyone for help. [17:15] I was simply showing what I got as output. [17:15] or better yet, i need to pick fights with people who are fun [17:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] yeah don't pick fights with people who will try to use valid arguments against you. [17:15] im fun. [17:15] i've yet to see you with one valid argument [17:16] Mero_ (n=meroslac@201009172024.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:16] against anyone. [17:16] pupit: but no one wants to fight you [17:16] Action: jeev kicks pupit [17:16] Hey pupit, how's it going? [17:16] firebird619: preaty good [17:16] its rainy here [17:16] but i like it [17:16] pupit: It's "PRETTY", jerkwad. [17:16] Action: eviljames will fight [17:16] eviljames: priti [17:16] see pupit, you're no fun either [17:16] :P [17:16] lol [17:16] >.> [17:16] Action: firebird619 puts on his boxing gloves and looks at eviljames. :P [17:16] if i kick eviljames, he'll try to kick back but he can't lift his 400 lb leg more than 3 inches [17:17] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:17] haha [17:17] fail >.> [17:17] necos, you're the black guy, right ? [17:17] wow. [17:17] i dont have to fight you, i arleady out eat you in watermelon [17:17] antiwire shut up, my best friend is black [17:17] Maybe he was talking about how asinine a fat joke against me is. [17:18] lol [17:18] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.79.177) joined ##slackware. [17:18] but, of course, chubby folks go after fat jokes. They chase their own insecurities. [17:18] jeev: What say you now, tons of fun? [17:18] jeev: are you self conscious about your skin color comment? Maybe I was just wowing [17:18] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] fat people can be mean? [17:18] hello all [17:18] no because you said wow [17:18] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [17:18] pupit: Only on the internet, where people can't physically point & laugh like they do in meatspace. [17:18] no worries jeev is trolling #postfix as well ;) [17:18] aka fatspace if you're in Texas. [17:18] lol Dominian [17:18] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] it's not called trolling, it's called striking up a conversation [17:19] heh [17:19] i just do it in a VERY negative way [17:19] lol fatspace [17:19] eviljames, where are you from [17:19] eviljames: internet, the little black box? [17:19] ahh cnada [17:19] That's "Oh, Canada" [17:19] jeev: were you dropped as a child or were you just a crack baby? [17:20] antiwire, does it matter? [17:20] it might answer some questions [17:20] oh cannnnnnnnada [17:20] It's more like a moaning "ohhhhhh Canadaaaa" [17:20] eviljames, how often do you go to the doctor [17:20] Getting the sound right involves biting your lip and squirming. [17:21] lol mms918 [17:21] jeev: whenever I need to. [17:21] eviljames: no respect. [17:21] there's none! [17:21] I think mms has the right idea, or at least, she's on the right track... [17:21] hmm [17:21] she? [17:21] assuming that the moan is of the female variety, of course. [17:21] pics or no way [17:22] anyhow, I'm getting gutterbrain'd here... moving on... [17:22] i've always wondered how many she's are on slack... [17:22] Bojevnik__ (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] antiwire: no respect for Canada? Quite frankly, we don't need it from slack-jawed yokels. [17:22] Nick change: mms918 -> RileyII [17:22] lol [17:22] antiwire: It's like no respect for California... they don't need it from slack-jawed yokels either. [17:22] pupit, could you imagnie a hot boobed one ? [17:23] jeev they are always on my mind... [17:23] one boobed girls or hot boobed girls [17:23] 2nd one... [17:23] jeev u bizzare lil man.. [17:23] i'm that bobbit guy, loraina cut off .. [17:24] He's ahmedinajad in disguise. That should explain everything! (and probably constitutes a hate/war crime of some kind..) [17:24] that guy is my idol [17:25] i didnt know ahmadinejad wanted to commit any hate/war crime other than hanging homosexuals [17:25] How can he hang homosexuals? According to him, there are none in Iran. [17:25] turbo jihad music is for u jeev [17:25] cause he's always hanging them!!!!!!!! [17:25] jihad jihad! [17:25] is there a christian jihad? [17:25] That means he'd have to be importing homos to hang, and I don't know how the hell you'd market that vacation package. [17:25] oh yea, it's called operation iraqi freedom [17:25] lol [17:25] eviljames, offer gay marriage. [17:26] and say it's transferrable to the u.s. [17:26] jeev u are gay? wow! [17:26] no [17:26] brb [17:26] is this slack? [17:27] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] it should be [17:28] no this isn't slack [17:29] this is ubuntu [17:29] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Hey superGear [17:29] hi [17:30] waz up [17:31] nothing much, how about you? 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[17:39] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:39] Bojevnik_ (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:40] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.1.253) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] isn't bitchx discontinued [17:40] yes, but that doesn't make it magically stop being able to run... [17:40] Urchlay: unfortunately. :P [17:40] (I won't miss it much when people finally quit using though) [17:41] who could help me installing the python library twisted .... ? just don;t know how to start ... I installed the package for 2.5 with installpkg, the demo is not working simply the python tells therre;'s no such modlule isntalled also the pkgtools does not view such package as Twisted ... [17:41] Blue Cheer [17:42] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-251.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [17:42] paul424: where did you get the package you installed? [17:42] Urchlay: linuxpackages.com [17:43] run for the hills [17:43] ohgodno [17:43] s/com/net [17:43] as you can see by everyone's reactions, that probably wasn't a wonderful idea... [17:43] paul424: you are going to bork your system grabbing stuff from there [17:44] back [17:44] NukeDukem: this repo has bad reputation, right ? [17:44] look to see if SBo has it [17:45] eh, what's it called? I searched for "twisted" on linuxpackages.net and nothing came up [17:45] BAD Urchlay [17:45] BAD [17:46] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:46] the only twisted i know is twisted sister :D [17:46] drijen: typing stuff into their search form isn't going to hurt anything [17:46] mentioning it is [17:46] I'm not foolish enough to install anything from there, but I was gonna see if I can help this guy out [17:47] *lashes Urchlay [17:47] I wasn't the one mentioned it [17:47] look back in the buffer, drijen [17:47] ok, all of you need humor processes [17:47] and you can't lash me unless you can prove you're my ex-gf... [17:48] i have boobs [17:48] modprobe humor [17:48] pics? [17:49] paul424: ok, your Twisted package from that crappy site, is for slackware 11, which used python 2.4. It's not going to work on slack 12.2 or whatever you're running that has python 2.5 [17:49] zlinux_ (n=zlinux@79.172.163.164) joined ##slackware. [17:49] can't even blame the lp.net people for that, it's clearly marked 11.0 [17:49] Urchlay: ok thanks [17:50] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] heh, their package doesn't even include a usr/doc directory. See why we hate them? [17:50] superGear (i=supergea@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [17:51] I don't see a way to get hold of the slackbuild that was used to build that package... if you could find that, you could probably build a usable package for 12.2, assuming the script isn't complete crap [17:52] actually. How come nobody ever cares that linuxpackages.net hosts binary packages of GPL software, without providing the source? If it's Apple or Cisco doing it, we get all up in arms... [17:54] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] heck, they might be using a dirty slack install to build them on, or worse they might be building them on windows [17:55] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:56] Urchlay: so long as the GPLed source isn't modified its ok [17:58] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.183.30) joined ##slackware. [17:59] heh! [17:59] viper: if they don't provide their sources, how can you tell? [17:59] and actually I'm pretty sure that's not what the GPL says anyway [18:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:00] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-104.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:00] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [18:00] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-165.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [18:00] the whole idea of opensource GPL is to allow users to be able to modify and redistribute, as long as you provide the modified source code and give credit to the original author in a text file (README file) [18:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [18:02] just don't use the phrase "opensource GPL" when you're talking to RMS, unless you're deliberately trying to get him to go on a rant [18:02] Urchlay: he'll just punch a hole in your chest... no biggie [18:02] that fat lardo cant run as fast as me :D [18:03] not if I hire Chuck Norris to be my bodyguard! [18:03] he'll just punch a hole thru chuck norris >.> [18:03] RMS is a mean mofo [18:04] yeah, but having a gaping wound in his chest will get get chuck norris annoyed [18:04] Action: drijen points out that RMS hangs out here [18:04] yeah? well he'll be happy to know people think & talk about him [18:04] haha [18:05] lol [18:05] guy's gotta have a sense of humor [18:05] and no sense of smell. [18:05] one would hope so... either that or he smokes a lot of pot... [18:05] I mean Stephen Hawking doesn't get pissed when Family Guy or the Simpsons does a parody of him [18:05] Urchlay: Stephen Hawking does cameos for those shows dude. [18:05] right [18:06] because he's got a sense of humor [18:06] he should, cause i laughed my ass off [18:06] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [18:06] zlinux (n=zlinux@79.172.161.78) left irc: Connection timed out [18:06] Urchlay: It also helps that they make him out to be some kind of mental superhero. [18:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:07] eviljames: the Family Guy I'm thinking of shows him in bed with a quadraplegic woman, they're using their voice boxes to make it sound like they're doing it, but they're really just lying there unable to move [18:07] hardly flattering [18:07] rworkman: do u maybe know when will the 13.0 rise? [18:08] when I mount a video dvd the contents appears with uid and gid of at enables the "cruft" option when it sees a big file? [18:08] pupit: when it's ready. :) [18:08] rworkman: ;) [18:08] i can hardly wait :) [18:08] pupit: if he did know, he's too much of a gentleman to tell [18:08] Urchlay: its not ready. [18:09] of course not [18:09] sense of smell? can you smell rms before you see him? [18:09] when I mount a video dvd the contents appear with a uid and gid of 4294967295 and I cant access the dvd contents [18:10] dissociative: libdvdread & libdvdcss or even better use vobcopy to rip it [18:10] dissociative: if it's a CSS-encrypted DVD, you won't be able to do anything with the contents anyway, without using something like libdvdcss to descramble it [18:10] dissociative: use dvd::rip to rip the contents? [18:10] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:10] mplayer/xine/vlc can play it, if you have libdvdcss installed [18:11] i tried to play today 3gp video over xine. it is ok, but there is no audio codec support [18:11] libdvdcss? [18:12] I have only libdvdread in /var/log/packages/ and mplayer can play it [18:12] well, mplayer can be built with its own internal css support [18:12] i like my crappy old lappy, i did a slack install without X and all the good cli apps [18:12] apparently, yours was compiled that way [18:13] Pig_Pen: got mplayer playing video on the framebuffer yet? :) [18:13] no, i rebuilt the kernel and did not even bother with framebuffer, just a plain jane cli [18:14] drijen (n=quassel@pool-71-96-1-8.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [18:14] it has that ati rage mobility and it sucks [18:14] Shuren (n=Devilman@host80-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] I don't bother with framebuffer on a machine that's going to run X all the time [18:15] http://www.quadvision.co.uk/products/multi-screen-lcd-stands/tree-vt8.htm [18:15] but I'd want it on an X-less install, for videos and games and such [18:15] farabi (n=mustapha@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [18:15] i bet that would be fun to put together (if i could ever afford all the monitors to go on it [18:16] hey, didn't they use that thing in that cheesy movie "swordfish"? [18:16] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] cel_ (n=carlos@brsg-4dbb1568.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [18:17] the picture with all the monitors mounted, it looks like the solar panel from a star wars tie fighter :) [18:17] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [18:18] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.36) left irc: [18:18] Hey slackers [18:18] beep [18:19] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: No route to host [18:19] compl3x: morning [18:20] kunal (n=kunala05@ppp-124-120-230-213.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [18:20] hello guys [18:21] kunal: hi [18:24] frullet: its 23:22 here ;) [18:25] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:25] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:25] anyone know poker client for linux ? [18:26] compl3x: and its 8:30 AM here and time for me to go to school [18:26] frullet: school [18:26] frullet: you go school :S? [18:26] u mean college? [18:26] no, high school [18:26] wow! [18:26] and you run slackware [18:26] what year are you in? [18:26] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:26] 12 [18:26] O_o [18:27] frullet: 17/18? [18:27] compl3x: only recently turned 17 [18:27] I'm 10 and run slackware wanna fight about it? [18:27] frullet: same here [18:27] haha weird - assumed you were older [18:27] antiwire. i am scared of you [18:28] hey hey [18:28] i have a question [18:28] i plan to install a DMZ system. I want my main system to run on slackware. is it ok? [18:28] Is it logical? [18:28] antiwire: That's right, I said bump uglies, wanna fight about it? [18:28] lol [18:28] testing [18:29] NukeDukem: gnitset [18:29] kunal: It's only logical if you are capable of making Slackware do what you want it to do. [18:29] thats true... thats what i have to work on [18:29] I didn't know they ran Slackware on vulcan... it seems like the logical choice and all, but I just wasn't aware... [18:29] How can I decompress a .7z in slackware? any takers? [18:29] benone (n=benone@66.110.125.206) joined ##slackware. [18:29] antiwire: are you capable of making slackware do what you want? [18:30] kunal: hell yes [18:30] I only run Slackware [18:30] Souly slackware, no arch linux etc? [18:30] My laptop has no other OS [18:30] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.116.181.28) joined ##slackware. [18:30] wow. alot of ppl prefer Arch OS for laptops over slackware [18:30] My home server runs Slackware too [18:31] i have slack running nicely on this crappy lappy without x [18:31] compl3x: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/p7zip/ [18:31] how well does slackware work on TPs? [18:31] compl3x: is 7z anything different from lzma? [18:31] thinkpads [18:31] eviljames: I have no idea [18:31] kunal: a bunch of people in here use Thinkpads [18:32] oh ok. thats good... [18:33] antiwire: how long you been on slackware [18:33] Oooh nasty - uncompressed a 5gb file from my rmhd through slackware into Vbox with XP [18:33] kunal: i've put slackware on many different thinkpads, mine and friends', it always does quite well [18:33] freack- (n=frk@189.58.216.241.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:34] hackedhead: you reckon it'll be suitble with the R61? [18:34] yep [18:34] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "laters all" [18:34] kunal: A long time, since ~7 or 7.1 i think [18:34] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [18:34] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) got netsplit. [18:34] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) got netsplit. [18:34] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [18:34] yht (n=yht@114.121.6.120) got netsplit. 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[18:34] ecy778 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] Nick change: ecy778 -> axk442 [18:35] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:35] hmm...i am really considering running a slackware on my laptop too...do you get all the functional programs [18:35] kunal: Ever since I started using Linux I've had Slackware around in some way. I've been using it solely since 10.0 though [18:35] batt meter, [18:35] ? [18:35] define "all the functional programs" [18:35] kunal: there isn't a single part of my laptop does I don't have working [18:36] ok...that answers my question [18:36] Everything works after I make it work [18:36] ok, make my turbo memory work ;) [18:36] how much do you have to work to make it work? [18:36] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:36] slackware is very easy to setp, if you know what you're doing [18:36] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] because eventually i will give up if i have to spend months to get a network working [18:37] kunal: are you going to try it for yourself or just have analysis paralysis? [18:37] if you are expecting every single bell and whistle ever developed to work out the door, it's maybe not the right choice [18:37] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) returned to ##slackware. [18:37] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [18:37] yht (n=yht@114.121.6.120) returned to ##slackware. [18:37] slawx (n=frk@unaffiliated/slawx) returned to ##slackware. [18:37] maxote (n=||||||||@84.79.67.254) returned to ##slackware. [18:37] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) returned to ##slackware. [18:37] RileyII (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) returned to ##slackware. 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[18:38] kunal: with 12.2, i had wireless/wpa_supplicant working in ten minutes. [18:38] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-141-122.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:38] kunal: The only way to figure out if you're going to just quit is to try it and get the quitting process over with so you can move on to something easier for you. You might as well just go for it. [18:38] antiwire: ++ [18:38] the best metric is always "try it and see" [18:38] fair enough. [18:38] it only takes about an hour to do a full install on a snappy machine [18:39] so... not much to lose except an evening or so's worth of messing around [18:39] actually yeah... [18:39] why not just play around [18:39] i guess i'll load it on my desktop first [18:39] and then follow it on my laptop [18:40] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) got lost in the net-split. [18:40] oh geez...i need a new keyboard for my desktop :S [18:40] any recommendation guys [18:40] Dvorak :) [18:40] Just buy a freaking keyboard dude [18:41] Dvorak +1 :) [18:41] I dont want something crap [18:41] something reasonable. dont mind shelling a little more [18:41] let this be a lesson; you ask "what keyboard" in ##slackware and people start yelling DVORAK [18:41] just remember you get what you pay for [18:41] a TypeMatrix. [18:41] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:42] whats DVORAK? [18:42] a different layout from QWERTY [18:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard [18:42] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:43] dvorak can suck my nuts [18:43] who useds dvorak keyboards? [18:43] for typematrix : http://typematrix.com/ [18:43] kunal: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ [18:43] oh ok. [18:43] finally someone else who doesn't suck dvorak's nuts [18:43] me. i ll never touch a qwerty again [18:44] is dvorak optimal? [18:44] typematirx is for aliens [18:44] is qwerty optimal? [18:44] maxote: yes, essentially [18:45] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062164177.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:45] hackedhead: you use this optimus keyboard? [18:46] maxote: i read an article that detailed a genetic algorithm to evovle an optimal keyboard for english, and the result was essentially dvorak [18:46] kunal: no. it's something like $3000 [18:46] ah ok. i was astonished when i saw it. [18:46] what do you use hackhead? [18:46] http://us.kensington.com/html/4826.html [18:47] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] it's a scissor switch keyboard, so it essentially feels like a laptop keyboard, low travel [18:47] 5 year warrenty? [18:47] and the media keys aren't overly obnoxious [18:47] how long have you been using it for? [18:48] hows the feel? good? [18:48] well, if you like the feel of laptop keyboards it's good [18:48] i've had it for about... 4 years now? [18:49] resonable. [18:49] they might have them at compusa out of display [18:49] that's the only way i'd buy a keyboard, to be able to play with them first [18:49] s/out of/out on [18:50] true. [18:50] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.116.181.28) left irc: "leaving" [18:50] same advice with kbds as with distros: try it and see [18:50] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:50] I just use the standard old IBM 104 http://liquidationonly.com/july22/HPIM0038.JPG [18:51] i dont mind the two latest revisions of dell's standard keyboard shipped with desktops either [18:51] ha. thats classic. mechanical keyboard [18:51] solidly built, good feel [18:51] the new dell keyboards? [18:51] hackedhead: yeah they are pretty much clones of the IBM [18:51] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:51] antiwire: yeah, it seems that way [18:52] the new Dell Keyboards are pretty nice. good feel [18:52] kunal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Model_M_keyboard [18:52] all keyboards are mechanical (unless projection) but i think you're thinking of buckling spring types [18:53] which i'm pretty sure the IBM and dell aren't [18:53] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [18:53] oh... [18:54] anyone uses a buckling spring keyboard? [18:54] do they still manufacture them? [18:54] some people swear by them [18:54] they do not still amke tehm [18:54] afaik [18:54] so you have to nab them off ebay and what-have-you [18:54] they make that nice clang when you press the key [18:55] very satisfying [18:55] HeatHawk[AP2]: you have one? [18:55] but i dont think you every pry my apple keyboards away from me :p [18:55] i had many over the years [18:55] any one know where to find a driver for an ATI rage XL lol [18:55] HeatHawk[AP2]: one of the new slim ones? [18:55] akmalhamdani (n=panda@125.163.10.6) joined ##slackware. [18:55] hackedhead, yap [18:55] im using the default ati drive but it sucks lol [18:55] the new apple keyboard is nice. its just like the new sony keyboard [18:55] my GTX275 doesnt come in till monday lol [18:56] slim tactile. really worth it. [18:56] thats because the card sucks, SM177Y [18:56] i considered getting one, but i think something in the key layour bothered me [18:56] i dont like the color. [18:56] white. [18:56] HeatHawk[AP2] lol ya i kno but like can it support an fglrx driver? or is it way before that lol [18:57] RileyII (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:57] SM177Y, no sir, way too old for that [18:57] i have a 16 meg tnt2 pro that i might throw in too for now lol this rage xl is an 8 meg lol [18:57] the 128 pro was the last they made before the Radeon, and the new fglrx only supports the x2400 and up [18:57] oh alright [18:58] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [18:58] bluh. i was messing with getting and ati driver installed for a radeon 9600 a few days ago [18:58] do u kno why you have to recompile a kernel with PCI_MSI enabled in 12.2 but i never had to in 12.0 and i dont think i had to in 12.1 but im not sure [18:58] to get fglrx driver working i mean [18:59] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:59] why isnt that just enabled by default, afaik its not like it would hurt anything to have it enabled [18:59] SM177Y: who knows. it could have just been overlooked. [18:59] Updates with X, Kernel Modesetting, and UMX? [19:00] slawx (n=frk@unaffiliated/slawx) left irc: Connection timed out [19:00] There have been a ton of changes with respect to graphics, so it might have been overlooked, or it's a setting that is required by non-updated X drivers? [19:01] hmm. i always wondered why because it [19:01] i expected it was just unknowingly overlooked. not really a huge deal. we can hardly expect that Pat can test the kernel on every device configuration known to man [19:01] beacause its not needed for nvidia drivers [19:01] superGear (i=supergea@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] hackedhead: ya i suppose lol [19:02] i'm plenty amazed that the slackCD boots and works on as many cnofigurations as it does, honestly [19:03] nVidia updates their drivers more often? [19:03] Or it could be because their driver doesn't need that particular feature? [19:03] probably [19:04] ya probably [19:04] nvidia has always had better drivers in general, imo [19:04] even back when i used to use windows [19:04] for linux ya for sure nvidia is way better [19:04] catalyst is ... a mess [19:05] thats why i sold my m4a79 deluxe and bought a m4n82 deluxe and my gtx275 will be here monday :) [19:05] Action: hackedhead suffer prod. no. overload... 0_o [19:05] i had a 4850x2, which i dint have any problemns in slackware but the 64 bit drivers for it dont work in any linux distro as far as ive found and theres very little documentation on it [19:06] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [19:06] only os i got a 64 bit driver to work was the live sabayon but as soon as u install it to ur drive ur right back at square one like every other distro [19:07] if it works in one, it can work in them all [19:07] it only works wile its running live tho, thats what i dont get [19:07] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:08] what happens is when you startx, ur screen goes black and your comp just locks up. [19:08] and it doesnt do that in 32 bit [19:09] i just spent like 2 hours last night setting up my friends x1950pro on his slackware because he couldnt get it to work and didnt believe me that you have to compile a new kernel with PCI_MSI enabled lol and he didnt know how to do it haha [19:09] firebird619: metal gear is coming to teh xbox :) [19:10] well im gonna try this tnt2 pro :P [19:10] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX: double your pleasure, double your fun!" [19:10] kitche: awesome. :) [19:11] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:11] superGear (i=supergea@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [19:13] firebird619: crysis 2 is console bound as well [19:13] sweet. [19:14] window 11 [19:14] bah [19:14] lol [19:15] kitche: window switch fail. :D [19:18] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.154.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:21] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [19:22] initself (n=initself@wsip-98-174-154-206.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:22] Have any of you guys migrated an Outlook Express user to Thunderbird? Was there much gnashing of teeth and ripping of flesh for the user? [19:22] antiwire: haha [19:23] Not really in my case. [19:23] Most seem to like it better [19:23] Motoko-chan: awesome, thanks [19:23] Especially multiple identity support. [19:23] Yeah, That's one of the main reasons I'm suggesting that this person migrate too [19:23] I have lots of customers that have general addresses like sales@ and such with a personal one. [19:23] my mom likes seamonkey because it functions as a suite (email and web browser) [19:23] As well as gpg support [19:23] When they see that, they really like it. [19:23] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] Neither OE or MSO do that. [19:24] im trying to install some stuff. the source files are in .tar.gz format, instead of tar.bz2 but its not working normally [19:24] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:25] dyn0myt3: Can you show or tell us how you are trying to deal with the tar.bz2 file? [19:26] usually cp the tar.bz2 file to the unzipped directory, but these are .tar.gz instead and its messin me up [19:26] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [19:26] what is messing you up though? [19:27] cp: cannot stat `install_flash_player_10.linux.tar.gz': No such file or directory [19:27] got that after i tried cp install_flash_player_10.linux.tar.gz /home/dyn0myt3/Build/flash-player-plugin [19:27] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] is install_flash_player_10.linux.tar.gz in your current working directory? [19:27] ls -alh install_flash_player_10.linux.tar.gz [19:28] no it wont let me copy it. even in Dolphin [19:29] akmalhamdani (n=panda@125.163.10.6) left irc: "Leaving" [19:29] no as in it's not there? [19:29] if it's not in cwd you won't be able to cp it without the full path to the location of the tar.gz [19:31] it is possible to mount a partition from command line through hal? [19:31] i cant let you do that dave [19:32] its in the /home/dyn0myt3/Build folder. i try to cp install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz /home/dyn0myt3/Build but it tells me no dir [19:32] dissociative: u mean mount /dev/partition? [19:32] yes but with hal [19:32] dyn0myt3: what does pwd tell you? paste it [19:32] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [19:32] and without having to specify mount points [19:32] dissociative: thats news for me.. :\ [19:33] cp: cannot stat `install_flash_player_10.linux.tar.gz': No such file or directory [19:33] dude. [19:33] come on [19:33] pwd [19:33] pwd? whats that [19:33] i give up [19:33] lol sry [19:34] Action: BP{k} hands dyn0myt3 the slackbook. [19:34] pupit: did you heard of things like exo-mount before? [19:35] dam typo [19:35] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:35] dissociative: no, but im learning, i think u want to to mount with hal commands? right? [19:36] yes [19:37] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ef969a10cbd4bc87) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [19:38] Bojevnik_ (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] dissociative: this is just magazine but its quite helpful, try searching redhat for the real Hal info or howto: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/hal/ [19:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwd :) [19:39] exbio (n=nubuntu@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [19:39] elilo (n=elilo@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. 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[20:23] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:25] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:29] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-63-100.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [20:30] exbio (n=nubuntu@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "leaving" [20:31] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:31] China owns the Hummer SUV now [20:32] just the civilian models [20:32] yht|pulang (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [20:32] who was it sold to? [20:33] go to slashdot and read all about it [20:34] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.154.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:34] http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/02/news/companies/gm_hummer/index.htm?postversion=2009060215 [20:35] wow [20:35] maybe the inside of the car will start to look like a car [20:36] one more piece of America owned by the Chinese... [20:36] hummer should have just died [20:36] danc3, everything in america is owned by the chinese [20:36] just about [20:36] can you blame them? [20:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] i can! why would they make such a moronic investment [20:36] hahah [20:36] for a utility vehicle i would still prefer an old jeep [20:37] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@c-69-180-248-119.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] we're well on our way to becoming a communist nation, just like them [20:37] in about 3 years we'll be the USSA (United Socialist States of America) [20:37] danc3, does that mean when a banker does something wrong, they go to jail? or get put to death? if so, i'm all in. [20:37] dunno [20:38] no, jeev, there is still a niche for the hummer.. it'll still be in demand by men with small dicks. just think.. the Chinese could possibly enhance its efficiency while maintaining its build persona [20:38] lol Ficthe haha [20:38] danc3, when those guys got busted for putting bullshit plastics or something into the milk powder supply? [20:38] no, the government will first give them billions in bailout funds, then own them later [20:38] i think some got a death sentence. [20:39] by the wait, as an American, I like telling repubs (whenever they say things like "socialism is coming to home!") "about time.." and follow up with long-winded explainations while they stare with at me with confusion. [20:39] s/wait/way [20:39] NukeDukem = nullboy? [20:40] nooo [20:40] Hey agentc0re, how's it going? [20:40] i dont think cutting health care costs is considered socialism [20:40] drunk and piss the fsck off. Not at you or anyone in here though. :) [20:40] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.61) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [20:40] Ficthe: so you think socialism is what we need here in America, eh? [20:40] jeev, by those standards, most of europe is socialistic [20:41] danc3, it's pretty damn better than the unregulated capitalistics that a few select fat cats dominates [20:41] by *ANY* standard, Europe is largely socialistic [20:41] they need to lower medical abuse and pharmaceutical costs.. everything else will follow [20:41] agentc0re: you going skydiving tomorrow? [20:41] Ficthe: you think so, huh? You're mistaken, but you'll see. [20:41] s/tics/ism/ [20:41] danc3, you come off as a business or finance major, are you ? [20:41] no [20:41] or a real estate agent [20:42] no [20:42] electronics engineer [20:42] want to work for free? msg me [20:42] what's that got to do with anything? [20:42] jeev, and all of it stems due to huge malpractice insurance fees. get rid of those first [20:42] ananke, then make sure if you get less than a 99% on all your medical tests, you cant become a doctor. [20:42] firebird619: Maybe, I might just quit my job tonight which would leave me with enough spare time to do so. [20:43] jeev, that's just silly [20:43] so is the fact that most medical students graduate drunk and high [20:43] jeev: Than that standard should apply to any job. Be thankful that there are persons out there who wants to help you if you get sick [20:43] jeev, 'fact'? says who? [20:43] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:43] i dont know, my eyes. [20:43] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:43] cmk_zzz_, i'll thank my surgeon who didnt do such a good job. [20:43] jeev, show us some actual data to back that up. [20:43] danc3, everyone says so. okay.. maybe I'm young an inexperienced, but I emigrated to America from a third-world country. everywhever I've went, I've seen the lower class being exploited for their labor.. the labor-pay is so unfair.. I understand I sound kooky, but doesn't it sound absolutely unreasonably outrageous that a ceo of a company makes about 500x times the company's workers? [20:44] and i didntk now that they actually wanted to help me, i thought they had a job to do. [20:44] ananke, go to an american school. [20:44] apparently, vt.edu [20:44] jeev, again, not a real data [20:44] ananke, that's fine. 9/11 never had real data either. [20:44] when you question them, question me. [20:44] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-63-100.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:44] jeev, is that your actual argument? [20:44] yea it is [20:44] jeev: sorry about your mal-practice, but would you like to work anywhere where you couldn't make any mistakes? As long as the mistake is reported and the problem found and fixed, I'd say the system works [20:44] you expect me to pull data for something i said on irc? you're crazy and bored [20:45] another brilliant discussion. well done. [20:45] Ficthe: no, it doesn't seem outrageous to me. That's why the CEO went to school, has responsibilities, etc.... It's up to a company how much they pay everyone, and none of the govt's business. [20:45] cmk_zzz_, i'll never ever ever go through a voluntary surgery. it wasn't a mal practice though, i'm not a greedy asshole. i dont think he did anything bad.. [20:45] thank you ananke. [20:46] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] danc3, going to school doesn't mean anything [20:46] danc3, CEOs seem to have a very driven get-to-the-top-whlie-screwing-everyone-and-everything-along-the-way mentality, that in the long run makes for a shitty culture&society [20:46] jeev: it doesn't? You don't think it will help you earn more money over your career? [20:47] Ficthe: how many CEO's are there, really? Not that many. It's not the real problem. [20:47] CEO's go in, make customers hate the companies, rip customers off, make billions and make all that money [20:47] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left ##slackware ("SNR too low"). [20:47] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:47] jeev: are you still in high school? [20:47] danc3, it's sad that a book smart loser who cheats half the time in a class can graduate and make more than someone who is naturally smart [20:47] no danc3, i'm actually a college grad. [20:47] i only finished cause of my parents. [20:47] lol [20:47] danc3: That is the problem. Because it sends signals down the line, showing that being an asshole pays off [20:47] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: "ˇPero si no venia en el manual! (El que pulsó el botón)." [20:48] cmk_zzz_: so what's the solution? Have *NOBODY* in charge of a company? [20:48] danc3, you may hae gone to school in a different state. [20:48] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left ##slackware ("I got better things to do."). [20:48] jeev: yeah, I was sober [20:48] danc3, it is a problem when you realize how just those few CEOs own a large portion of the collective worth to everything (I rememer a stat going something like "The richest 10% of the world own 90% of [money]") [20:48] danc3, i've never drank or smoked in my life. [20:49] when i go pick up my girlfriend from school and the people in med school are getting slaughtered and high.. it's ok [20:49] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-75-131.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:49] Ficthe: that's probably true. That doesn't make you want to be one of those 10%? That doesn't motivate you to work hard and be successful? [20:49] it does me [20:49] danc3, it's not working hard [20:49] it's called lying and stealing [20:49] ^ [20:49] doing anything you can to get there [20:49] bush worked hard to become the president ? [20:49] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:50] jeev, i find it interesting how you equate 'getting drunk' to 'lying and stealing' [20:50] his family has stole so much god damn money.. he worked hard. [20:50] danc3: no, but put focus away from making money and put focus on what you contribute to society as a whole. As it is now, making money has become the core business of many companies. That is just plain wrong and leads to short sighted plans and fast rewards. Just like a heroine addict. That's excactly what our society has become: a crack-cocaine addict [20:50] danc3, as I said earlier, being rich nowadays equates to living the life of a thief [20:50] ananke i find it interesting that you can't tell the difference to two different things [20:50] danc3, making money is what loan officers, bankers and real estate agents were doing when they kept bumping and fucking people the past few years. [20:51] I guess I'm done with this conversation. I find capitalism to be motivating and exciting, where anyone who works hard can succeed and be successful. The whole fucking basis of the American Dream, in a nutshell. [20:51] this discussion has quickly degenerated [20:51] danc3, the american dream is absolute bullshit [20:51] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] the american dream is called the american debt [20:51] If you want everyone to be "equal" and "share", you should move to an Eastern Bloc country and see how they (you) like it. [20:51] only people that are asleep have dreams [20:52] the American dream is the shallowest, most selfish, kooky thing there is to america [20:52] Action: danc3 is done with the subject [20:52] anytime gmail is open, I can't play audio in any other firefox tab [20:52] the american dream is the reason why sean hannity still has a job, cause they pass it off and downplay everything else. bigots [20:52] danc3: For example. Which CEO would be selected. Once had good plans, created a sustainable solution that would work for many generations, but only gave a 5% profit (or something like that). Or one that came up with a shitty solution the next generation will have to clean up but gave a profit of (20%)? [20:52] s/Once/one/g [20:53] unchecked capitalism doesn't reward good practices, it rewards greed. We wouldn't be in the shitty mess we are at the moment if these CEOs had the slightest care, concern or empathy for his fellow man. Anyway, I'm done too, nighty night [20:54] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Action: cmk_zzz_ is just getting started. I'll fight this battle alone, with myself, again [20:54] CEO's? give me a break [20:54] Action: cmk_zzz_ gives thrice a break [20:55] do you know what happens with these bankrupcy's ? Attorneys working on these huge (automotive, say) cases are making $950 an hour. The accountants / "advisors" $450 / hr [20:56] Just another rotten limb showing its flesh [20:56] amputate! [20:56] and it trickles down. I'd quit worrying about who you THINK is making money in this shit, and actually evaluate it [20:56] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [20:58] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.116.178) left irc: Connection timed out [20:59] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] what kind of moron looks at this current economy and says what he said [20:59] if it wasn't for those lousy CEO's and other educated morons who "worked hard" [20:59] we wouldn't be in this mess [20:59] someone who actually works in a real organization, and who sees this. our ceo, for example, is doing everything he CAN to keep the doors open [21:00] thrice`, you heard of allybank ? [21:00] read this, http://www.ally.com/messages/ american bankers association people are PMSing at allybank for offering more than par [21:00] lol [21:01] of course there are specifics and exceptions; I think there are FAR worse issues than "greedy" CEOs [21:01] yea there are far worse [21:01] like voice IVR's [21:01] like people profitting from our auto-industry tanking. what a joke [21:01] when you call att. [21:02] thrice: It's not about where the money ends up, but from where it is taken. If it is not given back to society some way, then who cares where the money ends up? [21:02] every hard working America, I guess [21:02] thrice: If you are right (and you probably are) isn't it scary that there are "worse" things thatn greede CEOs out there? [21:02] those CEO's companies are getting bailouts from people like danc3 but he still respects and loves it! [21:03] of course :) [21:03] the fact that they're bailing out banks and everything.. but not bailing out sick. [21:03] if there were to be a bailout, i'd choose the sick. [21:03] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:03] i think the new generation is going to care more for people than monies. [21:04] it sucks. I've had my pay cut this year, and read about some accountants charging $auto_company $400+ / hr, and billing close a 1,000 hours. [21:04] I'd say. If they want capitalism, give them capitalism. No bailouts, no regulations. Lets put it to the test and see where it goes. You can't eat the cake and still keep it [21:06] cmk_zzz_, well.. they had their no regulations [21:06] now they're getting their bailouts [21:07] they have to, it affects too many [21:07] if there werent bailouts, wallstreet would pout and there goes the U.S. (it could go a lot further) [21:07] i think the bailout is more of an effort to say we did something [21:07] the economy will fix itself.. with or without the bailout [21:07] jeev: Hardly. The market was regulated in many ways. That's what the anarcho-liberals is complaining about. So give it to them. Free market! It'll be like Mad Max! [21:07] the "rule of thumb" is that for every 1 automotive job that's lost, you can estimate 6 more down-stream supplier manufacturing jobs that get lost [21:07] the actual bailout was to make it look like something is happening and to keep wall street from extortion [21:08] cmk_zzz_, i dont know.. the wrong things were regulated [21:08] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:08] the wrong things werent regulated. [21:08] thrice: Well, the auto-industry had it coming. If they had planned a head and created a sustainable company instead of chasing profits they wouldn't be where they are. Going down the same ol' track usually leads to stagnation [21:09] they need to cap commissions on everything sales to do with pharmaceuticals and finance [21:09] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [21:09] commissions??? what about the assembly-line workers who make $75,000 / year ? [21:10] jeebus [21:10] unions and their health care.. health care is too expensive [21:10] doesn't it cost like 500-1000/month to give those old geezers health care? not to mention their family [21:10] the american auto industry sucks cause the inside of the car is butt ugly [21:12] pfft, it's way cheaper for everyone if you do it as a tax. [21:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [21:12] oh, and the canadian weighs in [21:15] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [21:18] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:20] anyway [21:20] slackware for life [21:20] slackware 64 is the hottest thing since windows 3.1 [21:20] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] 3.1 sucked. 3.11 was the decent one [21:22] yea but it was graphical [21:22] heh [21:22] man i remember going into the windows folder [21:22] lol [21:22] so were earlier versions of windows [21:22] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [21:23] oh, i dunno. first one i used was 3.1 or 3.11, dont remember [21:25] Action: nooper still has those Windows for Workgroups floppies [21:26] I remember using 3.0, 3.1 seemed a vast improvement [21:26] lol windows ruled back then [21:27] now we have vista! when i go to shutdown, takes 10 minutes sometimes [21:28] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:28] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] shut down quicker or Lumburgh will get ya! [21:31] Hey nooper, how's it going? [21:32] not bad. i ate a hot dog. how are you? [21:32] i want a turkey dog [21:33] nooper: doing excellent, thanks. I ate hamburger helper. :P [21:38] hey firebird619 whats that software you use to manager your photos? [21:38] lf4: digikam and love it. [21:38] It's on SBo as well. [21:38] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:39] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:40] firebird619: thanks :) [21:40] lf4: I have literally hundreds, if not thousands, of pictures on the hdd and digikam, in my experience, handles them like a dream, and quickly too. [21:40] lf4: your welcome [21:40] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] wb NukeDukem [21:41] firebird619: sounds great :) haha surprisingly I never connected a camera to linux before(never really had one at the times I used linux). [21:44] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:44] hi firebird619 [21:45] i am trying to remember what command it is to change the timestamp [21:45] the /timestamp is for the ops [21:46] lf4: haha, I always use a card reader and the memory card, but I connecting the camera itself usually works quite well also. [21:46] NukeDukem: change the timestamp in your irc client? irssi? [21:46] firebird619: Humm I should do that as well I do have a card reader :) [21:47] lf4: yeah, that's what I always do and then I have digikam import them. [21:47] yeah [21:47] NukeDukem: It's /set timestamp time_format_here [21:47] NukeDukem: /set timestamp_format [21:48] whoops, forgot _format. [21:48] Thanks BP{k} [21:49] How's it going BP{k}? [21:49] thanks! that did it firebird619 [21:51] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] firebird619: not bad :) there be wine here! [21:56] nice [21:56] Hey hitest, how are you? [21:57] Nick change: Ficthe -> me [21:57] I'm good, firebird619:) you? it is too hot here...and I have no beer:) supper in a minute [21:57] Nick change: me -> Ficthe [21:57] hitest: doing excellent, thanks. It's 15 C here, quite nice out today, a little cooler then yesterday. [21:58] 25 here atm.....sweaty weather [21:59] off to dinner bbl:) [21:59] later hitest [22:01] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-141-122.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:06] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [22:07] no wonder the display adapter on this laptop sucks, it only has 16 megs ram in it [22:07] normality (n=carlos@brsg-4dbb72dc.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [22:07] agp 2x [22:07] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.79.177) left irc: "fui dormir" [22:08] oda (n=oda@189.120.165.49) joined ##slackware. [22:08] i wont be installing xorg on it [22:08] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:12] farabi (n=mustapha@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:15] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-149-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:16] hi all, my system date and time is messed up from a dual boot I have going, I tried re-running the pkgtool timeconfig, but that doesnt work, how do I re=set the system time in slackware 12.2? [22:16] is your time zone properly set up? [22:17] us/pacific in timeconfig [22:17] try ntpdate time.nist.gov [22:18] that worked [22:18] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.98.130.134) joined ##slackware. [22:18] but will that be permanent? [22:18] it should be.. just set it in your crontab for like every hour [22:18] berke: it should be, yes. [22:18] reboot and see, if your system isnt' keeping time then your bios battery is lame [22:18] cool, thank you [22:18] i think it might be from a dual boot [22:19] so you should probably set up your rc.local or something, rc.ntpd to start, i dont really use time services in linu [22:19] x [22:21] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-149-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [22:21] heh [22:21] shouldve just enabled ntpd [22:21] ;D [22:24] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-165.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [22:27] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:27] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [22:29] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[22:37] there's a door I can't figure out how to open [22:37] which I think leads to the level exit [22:38] Have any pipebombs. :P [22:38] nah, they won't blow it open [22:38] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-141-122.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:39] it's underwater, there are a bunch of those giant squid-things [22:39] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Ah, ok. [22:39] last time around I found scuba gear, so at least I won't drown again [22:39] hi slackers! [22:40] hola [22:40] does anyone know will slack64 bring ext4 filesystem as default? [22:40] I severely doubt it [22:40] i hope not [22:41] :\ [22:41] clambake [22:41] well, i guess i really dont care, but i do agree with Urchlay [22:41] freezone [22:41] Action: spook waits [22:41] it might be there as an option [22:41] waffle [22:41] whiskey [22:41] tango [22:41] foxtrot [22:41] http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/censorship/wordlist.html [22:43] spook: hilarious [22:43] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062164177.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [22:43] scroll to the bottom. {} means it severs the connection [22:44] so this is something the wackos... err, true believers, install voluntarily on their own PCs? [22:44] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:44] hd (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [22:45] {} [22:46] { [22:46] Damn nobody got disconnected [22:46] superGear: no, works like xenu, clambake and freezone [22:46] Urchlay: yes, and on computers at CoS offices [22:47] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.154.17) joined ##slackware. [22:47] so long as only the idiots are affected by this idiocy, I can't see that as a bad thing [22:47] Urchlay: idiots dont understand a bit of it! [22:49] also, the [] words are blanked. [22:49] so they cant see [nots] they would see [ ] [22:50] yeah, that one doesn't make an awful lot of sense [22:52] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [22:52] nots stands for new age dianetics for operating thetans [22:52] high level. [22:52] hahaha [22:53] i wonder how they raise a kid... [22:53] yeah, ok, but it occurs as a substring in an awful lot of words... [22:53] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-141-122.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:53] nice open net goal huh [22:53] that's ok...just means more hockey [22:53] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:54] pupit: horribly. [22:54] considering they actively attack the idea of pyschopharmacology [22:55] i bet there are some good jokes on them in states... [22:56] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:57] they believe themselves to be above the law. [22:57] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "i came, i saw, i ran away in fear" [22:58] what's the topic? [22:58] jesus [22:58] this thread is relative to my interests [22:58] hey zeus? [22:58] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] antiwire: its about xenu [23:00] ah [23:00] and here he is: http://www.xenu.net/archive/scientology_illustrated/intro13.htm :D [23:00] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:01] hmm, success. finally got all of my sound from mythtv box going out via spdif [23:02] I was at a brew house watching the hockey game and now I'm left with a serious case of tinnitus. [23:02] ananke: grats :) [23:02] tinnitus? [23:02] that constant "biiiiiiiiing" in your ears [23:02] i have a serious case of beer craving. [23:03] is it wrong to want to down a jug of beer at 11am? [23:03] no [23:03] Action: ananke is drinking some 'ballast point' 'yellowtail pale ale' [23:03] the only thing wrong about that is not having a jug of beer to down at 11am [23:03] it's 1700 somewhere...right? [23:04] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [23:04] its almost lunch time, [23:04] so its more of a liquid brunch [23:05] oda (n=oda@189.120.165.49) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:05] barely sandwich for you! [23:05] DaveVK (n=DaveVK@pa58-111-36-183.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:05] what is the estimated time for: md5sum slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso ? [23:06] its a 4gb file [23:06] pupit: depends on the host system but i'd say nothing more than 15 minutes [23:06] at least for a semi modern system [23:06] antiwire: thanks [23:07] DaveVK (n=DaveVK@pa58-111-36-183.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) left ##slackware. [23:08] maybe 5 at most [23:09] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:10] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:10] slackaholic (i=1000@189-92-176-73.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "good night everybody!" [23:10] lol, CoS has copyrighted/trademarked lots of things. in several languages. [23:10] for example, dianetics in japanese [23:10] dayanechikkusu [23:11] saientorojii [23:11] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] looks like we had a mini netsplit [23:13] Action: spook has all that junk turned off. [23:14] parts, joins, quits, netsplits [23:14] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:15] "Get thee behind me, Thetan!" [23:17] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:20] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:21] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [23:22] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable146.41-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:22] spook: so if you're in the middle of a conversation with someone, you don't know it if they suddenly vanish? [23:23] that would drive me insane... [23:23] me too [23:23] me three [23:23] be talking to myself after awhile i would think [23:23] oda (n=oda@189.120.165.49) joined ##slackware. [23:24] Welcome oda, how may firebird619 help you today? [23:24] lol [23:25] I love netsplits [23:25] without those IRC would be just another IM protocol [23:26] superGear: I guess oda doesn't need any help today. :P [23:28] antiwire: what...no love for netjoins, you just want everyone gone? :P [23:28] *pooph* [23:28] Yep, they are cranky. [23:29] hi, sorry [23:29] :) no need to be sorry. [23:29] I don't need any help now, thanks [23:30] superGear: see, what'd I tell you. :P [23:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:36] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-226-22-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] well now [23:37] weeellll now [23:38] Well now what [23:38] I'm trying to add myself to the group vboxusers. I used the command: "usermod -g users -G disk floppy audio video cdrom plugdev power pulse vboxusers john" but it's apparently a syntax error or something. halp? [23:39] I think you want commas instead of spaces between the groups. [23:39] use commas... [23:40] oh whoops [23:40] ok thanks [23:41] *cough* gpasswd *cough* [23:41] antiwire, THATS what i was trying to find earlier [23:41] ;) [23:41] oh well, too late now [23:42] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:42] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [23:42] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:43] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-187-163.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:43] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:45] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:45] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:45] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:46] hiptobecubic: man usermod? [23:46] next time try to run $ apropos something [23:46] BP{k}, i did, i just misread the [,...] [23:47] Action: antiwire goes "ooohh oda out of left field, DANG!" [23:49] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.171) joined ##slackware. [23:50] ^MakubeX^ (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:51] MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) left irc: No route to host [23:51] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:51] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:51] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-56.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:58] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Wed Jun 3 2009