[00:00] FriedBob: wuss :) [00:00] FriedBob, just repel down with a helo and shoot the data on board [00:00] woops [00:00] i meant from. [00:00] wescotte: I'm doing it, I'm just not happy about it. [00:00] let's play russian routlette, linux style.. ;) random to delete / [00:00] raela, i've never anticipated a music cd release before.. this eminem cd better be good [00:00] not trying to be a troll here , but i think my question does fit within channel guidelines.. : ) [00:01] pukeko, just ask in ##linux or something [00:01] pukeko: Is the system in question a slackbox? [00:01] jeev: haha. you'll have to let me know :) I don't buy cds [00:01] there's like 3 people who use grub [00:01] FriedBob: what kinda stuff you doing? [00:01] raela, who said i do? [00:01] If not, then no, it doesn't [00:01] the internet was designed to give me free everything [00:01] pukeko: haven't you realized yet that no one is going to help you? [00:01] jeev: ahhh.. well.. let me know in any case [00:01] wescotte: A mass delete of inactive products from a client's product database. Have to do this in classic ASP though. :( [00:02] I er.. obtained.. a copy of not afraid and burned it to my test cd.. gonna see if my car's cd player will play it (well, and other songs) [00:02] haha [00:02] FriedBob: what could go wrong? :) [00:03] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.54.42.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:03] wescotte: Well, when the person who original wrote the code (to delete one item at a time) was working on it years ago, they accidently wiped the clients whole database... [00:03] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.35.22) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:03] FriedBob: fair enough [00:03] raela: you don't have to get nasty [00:04] jeev: gonna be doing ~33 hours of driving in the next week.. with only a normal cd player/radio. hopefully, after the 22 hours of driving, my brother will have time to switch my stereo into my car [00:04] pukeko: I told you politely several times to seek help elsewhere [00:04] as did others. [00:04] pukeko, you've picked a channel where no one will/wants to help -- nothing rude about it [00:04] raela: I have a 15+ hour drive this weekend. I'm moving back to the midwest from the east coast. [00:05] raela: But I am glad I have an iPod, my wife has one, and I have Pandora on my cell. [00:05] zfxp (~zfxp@67-30.186-72.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:06] FriedBob: I'm going down from NY to SC for south east linux fest soon.. well, breaking up the drive :) then from MD to OH to NY.. my current player doesn't have an aux port and I don't have an mp3 player anyway, but I gave my old car (with a better stereo) to my brother with the promise he'd swap stereos at a later point [00:06] and my cell phone is a cheap pos with a crappy plan :P [00:07] raela: I'm going from MD to OH on Thurs, then will try to be in MO Friday or Sat. [00:07] I have a Blackberry Bold w/ unlimited data from AT&T [00:07] MD -> OH isn't too bad of a drive.. I've done it several times. dunno about going to MO, though. I have AT&T but hate it [00:07] So I have a REALLY fast 3G connection, or no data at all. [00:07] service is crap where I live [00:07] oh well then, thanks anyway [00:08] pukeko (~pukeko@203.118.156.183) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:08] lots of times, people try to call me and get some sort of error ;/ [00:08] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:08] raela: MO is home for me, was just out here temporary. [00:09] My dad is in OH, which is why we are stopping there. I think we are actually going to try to reach Indianaopils Thursday night after we visit [00:09] I grew up in MD, but went to school in OH for 4 years [00:09] 33 hours of driving is 32.5 hours too much [00:09] ahh. yeah, probably can get further out without too many problems, depending on which areas [00:10] jeev: this is a bit of a "vacation" for me.. except for all of the damn driving, plus I plan on bringing work with me.. shrug [00:10] sucks [00:10] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.120.65.103) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:10] long drives don't bother me too much, but this is the first time in years I won't have an mp3 cd for it [00:10] this stupid memorial day shit ruined my schedule, it made me lazy [00:10] I've learned not to bother trying to find radio stations while on long drives [00:11] get XM [00:11] heh yeah, I was quite useless all weekend. barely left the apartment [00:11] satellite radio, listen to POTUS [00:11] it's not fox news bullshit [00:11] except on sundays haha [00:11] my stereo doesn't support it [00:11] ah [00:11] like I said, there's a nicer one on my old car.. brother just needs time to swap them [00:12] I shoujld ahve been packing this weekend, but it was my birthday on Monday... so I didn't get near as much done as I should have [00:12] brb [00:12] the stereo in my current car just does AM/FM and normal audio CDs [00:12] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:12] happy belated birthday :) understandable that you weren't as productive as you maybe wanted to be [00:13] Thanks [00:13] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:14] But now I have tomorrow and part of Thurs to get everything ready, and also work 8 hours/day [00:14] heh! yeah, not so fun [00:14] load up on coffee? [00:15] I have to limit my caffiene intake due to doctor's orders. [00:15] oh :/ [00:15] But I may make an exception this week [00:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-55-215.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:15] FriedBob, that's driving I-70 most of the way? [00:15] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] MLanden: I think so, yes. i-70 for most, and then I-44 once we reach it [00:17] oh, the PA turnpike lies.. at some point, close to breezewood, it says no gas/food for the next 80 miles or so.. it isn't counting stuff off the turnpike :P got me every time, stopping sooner than I wanted [00:17] lol [00:18] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:20] FriedBob, hear ya,hope you and yours have a good trip [00:21] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:24] I need to get to bed. It's almost midnight-thirty and I need to try to get to work by 0600. But at least that just means I have to stumble from bed to my office earlier than normal. [00:25] FriedBob, night [00:25] night, FriedBob [00:27] I normally don't have to be at work till 0900. :( But, getting off work at 1400 - 1500 will be nice, dependin on how longof a lunch I take [00:30] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:33] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [00:36] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] thrashdude (~thrashdud@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:37] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:40] mugiwaranorenato (~mugiwara@187.39.184.241) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:48] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] any deluge users here? [00:50] running 13.1 and deluge has stopped opening, it seems to run, the process gets spawned, but the window never opens [00:50] iirc someon else was having deluge problems and commenting about it [00:51] no tray icon either, was working fine the other day, and there has been zero system modifications since last time that it was working [00:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:51] botnet, can you run in through gdb? [00:52] botnet, run it form console and see what errors it spits out [00:52] hmm, "/usr/bin/deluge not in executable format: File format not recognized" [00:52] that is odd [00:52] -rwxr-xr-x [00:52] are you absolutely certain you have had 0 modifications? [00:53] like 99% certain after i got everything up and running, i have not done anything [00:53] deluge was one of the last things i got installed [00:54] ok, well somethig changed because as good as slackware linux is, it is not self-aware yet [00:54] i know something muct have changed, but i cant for the lif eof me think of what could cause it [00:54] botnet: might want to file `which deluge` [00:54] so it it works at time t=0 and not at time t=100 then something happened in between :) [00:55] mgt (~slack@93.152.158.243) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:55] see if i can recompile it back into order... [00:56] well, that didnt do anything...must be something off with my python, i think, then [00:57] It's a python script? [00:57] botnet, looking at the source [00:57] just track all changes since the deluge install, you say it was one of the last things so it should be a quick debug [00:58] mag0o (20001@slackhost.lynchmv.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:58] NaCl: deluge is a python app [00:58] Action: NaCl didn't know that [00:59] see that it uses librsvg2, hopefully that's not the culprit..;) [00:59] true - but did the first line in the first file get mangled? "!#/usr/bin/env python" always works for me [00:59] sorry - "#!/usr/bin/env python" [00:59] #! [00:59] yeah [00:59] just started - still working on the first cup :) [01:00] mag0o (20001@slackhost.lynchmv.com) joined ##slackware. [01:00] its #!/usr/bin/python [01:00] where is the file that logs package installations? [01:01] depends - if it's a slackware package, then /var/log/packages/* is the text file output of the tarball. if it's using python eggs, then not sure since it's been a while [01:02] or python's easy setup program [01:02] what exactly is the difference between using "#!/usr/bin/env python" as a shebang instead of "#!/usr/bin/python" ? [01:02] again, haven't played with that one yet, so not sure where easy setup stores it's log [01:02] using env will allow for python to be installed to a different location [01:02] Azalyn, /usr/bin/env first looks at how you're setup - /usr/bin/python may or may not exist on some setups [01:03] or as botnet notes, you may have an alternative python setup and the environment is setup to point to the alternative [01:03] ah, so it uses an environment variable to find it [01:03] it uses your environment - true [01:03] man env [01:04] yeah, i'm there now. [01:04] is there an equivalent to /var/log/removed_packages that shows installations with date/time? [01:04] something like "/var/log/packages/"? [01:05] yes, only showing dates of installation [01:05] ls -l it [01:05] since the /var/log/packages/ text file is created when the package is installed, I would think "ls -l /var/log/packages/" would be a good indicator [01:05] something like "/var/log/packages/"? [01:09] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:10] on may 27 i installed slackware, including all my usual extra applications through slackbuilds, everything was workign fine, on may 29th, i installed fuseiso and lxappearance through sbopkg, and everything was working then, today i booted back into slacware, and now deluge is not working [01:10] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124105.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [01:11] something's happened. what does "file /usr/bin/deluge" say? [01:12] ^^ if you run that from a terminal [01:12] "a script text executable" [01:12] pything script text executable* [01:12] oh wait .. I didn't see the the "file " command :) [01:12] does "python /usr/bin/deluge" work? [01:12] no it does not [01:12] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:12] and if you run it from console "/usr/bin/deluge" what does it say? [01:12] does "python" work? [01:13] python does work [01:13] if i run deluge from console, there is no output [01:13] no output meaning what? [01:13] i can run deluge-console, and that appears to work [01:13] meaning after i hit enter, there it no output [01:14] does the prompt come back? [01:14] and it just drops you back to the cli prompt? [01:14] no, the prompt does not return [01:14] ok, so it is "running" [01:14] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] ps ax |grep deluge [01:14] yes, it appears in the process tree as well [01:14] how many copies? [01:14] but you get no window... [01:14] move/delete you deluge config files and try again [01:14] yes, all seems to work save for the gui component [01:14] does deluge have a cli option for debugging output? [01:14] or logging? [01:15] it doesnt run as root, either [01:15] do you have a deluge-gtk? [01:15] mancha, i do [01:15] deluge has some logging options too [01:16] i would kill any deluge's running and try: deluge -d [01:17] runnign it as 'deluge -L debug' claims deluge is already running, yet 'ps aux|grep deluge' does not return a running process [01:17] maybe there's a lockfile [01:17] botnet, which version of slackware did you install? [01:17] look in the usual places: /var/lock is one [01:18] moved .confg/deluge, and was able to open it again [01:18] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124105.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:19] which makes me wonder why i couldnt run it as root, when there definitely did not exist a .config for the root user... [01:19] there you go, so a stale lockfile in .config/deluge mot likely [01:19] but mysert solved i suppose [01:19] root has no access to your X [01:19] mystery* [01:19] thanks for the assisstance [01:19] mancha ' _normally_ root doesn't have access" :) [01:20] alisonken1noc: 13.1, by the way [01:20] botnet, glad you're back in binnis [01:20] now start seeding slack 13.1 [01:20] time to pirate! [01:20] botnet, ok - since it appears to be a stale lock file, slackware version doesn't matter :) [01:20] i mean, seed [01:23] is it true that slackware 13.2 is due out this week? [01:25] mancha, absolutely. [01:25] excellent [01:27] already? [01:28] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.78.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:29] lol [01:33] nixness (~dsc@89.211.118.5) joined ##slackware. [01:33] hey all [01:34] anyone know why valgrind doesn't show up when I do a "slackpkg search valgrind"?.. [01:34] pat don't package it? [01:34] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [01:35] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [01:35] nixness: valgrind is available on salackbuilds.org [01:35] Srbo_ (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:35] but its not included with slackware by default, hence it will not show up in slackpkg searches [01:36] hmmm that's odd... [01:36] nixness: but it will show up after rsync on sbopkg [01:36] no distro I used so far doesn't have it [01:36] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] nixness slackware's official repo is significantly smaller than most other big distribs [01:38] but..but...it's..valgrind [01:38] valgrind...what does that do? [01:38] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-48.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] profiler [01:38] it's your buddy when you want to check for sloppiness [01:39] it's a runtime analyzer, coverage testing [01:39] not sure of the profiler bit [01:39] it tells you how fucked up your box is [01:39] nixness, so? valgrind is just another program. obviously valgrind doesn't meet pat's requirements for slackware policy :) [01:39] (your program is, mancha) [01:39] valgrind is in pkgsrc [01:40] not really alisonken1noc, valgrind is quite popular amongst many many programmers [01:40] nixness: ^^ [01:40] it's not like "cdecl" I don't know how to put this. it's just awesome [01:40] nixness, and slackware was designed as a stable system - not a dev system :) [01:40] nixness: valgrind is both on SBo and pkgsrc [01:40] nixness, adding it is easy enough, someone already said it is in SBo [01:40] hehe are you proposing a corelation between being a programmer and instability? [01:41] yeah just to get the priorities straight, bundle in 100 of crashing GUIs written in python by eager 15years old - let's be popular [01:41] slackware, like i said, is a small subset of userland...hell all of it fits on a dvd. how many dvd's is debian? [01:41] nixness, no - looking at policies of the distribution and it's stated goals [01:41] I love the system so far :) slack's simplicity is just beautiful [01:42] nixness also it is quite the one-man operation. so....if pat sees no use for it himself, it won't be in :) [01:42] chances are, that is... [01:43] that's always troubled me a bit; what happens when pat is gone? [01:43] there's been discussion about that already [01:43] shonudo: someone else will step up and be the premier of slack [01:43] maybe simple when compared to bubbantu or some other bloat, but the days where a basic slack installation fit into 300mb are long gone [01:43] from a couple of years ago when pat was sick [01:43] shonudo: what happens when linus is gone? [01:44] i remember that, alisonken1noc [01:44] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:44] jewbacca, i see the kernel as a bigger project -- broader [01:44] when both linux and pat are gone, i'll go back to bsd [01:44] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:44] mancha: agreed [01:45] these days if you want to preserve the sanity you have to go linux from scratch or at least gentoo [01:45] shonudo: it is... [01:45] s/linux/linus :) [01:45] mancha: i didn't say linux [01:45] i typo'd. meant linus [01:45] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [01:45] mancha: /ver me... >:) [01:45] nixness (~dsc@89.211.118.5) left irc: Quit: fixing this up and be back [01:46] spy! [01:46] mancha: hehehe [01:46] :> [01:46] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:47] mancha: if i were actually spying, i would have hidden my /ver info [01:47] but you want us to think that you're not by actually displaying it, the old reverse psychology spy trick [01:48] mancha: heh...again, if i were actually spying, i'd make it a point for you not to know which o/s i'm using [01:49] folks, he's rationalizing this a bit too much!!! he is a spy, watch what you say, don't reveal any linux kernel secrets!@## [01:49] mancha: kernel secrets? LOLOL [01:49] well, that means no conversations about the vm toaster [01:49] echo "defcon 4" > /proc/sys/countermeasures [01:49] mancha: i don't think either kernel *has* any secrets [01:50] mancha: hehehe [01:50] ok, guys, for the record, i'm running netBSD [01:50] heh :) [01:50] jewbacca, which arch? [01:50] MLanden: i386 [01:51] Action: Motoko-chan likes running NetBSD on the toaster arch [01:51] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.207) joined ##slackware. [01:51] hmmmm..buttery CPU..;) [01:52] And if you stick in a strawberry poptart, you get fire. [01:52] Action: Motoko-chan also likes adding 3 tbsp rhubarb, on fire. [01:52] was that the motto? everything but... ? [01:53] hate to ask what happens with the chocolate s'more ones..:( [01:53] mancha: no, the motto, "Yeah, it runs NetBSD" [01:53] you folks are making me tres hungry! [01:53] oh, i thought it was "everything but your toaster.." and then some folks got all clever [01:56] lol...stick espeak or flite on it,and have it sing to you or shout "YUM! YUM! toast is done" [01:57] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [01:57] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:58] kinda reminds me of that computer mod where someone used an old microwave for a case http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/microwave-computer-case-mod.jpg [02:00] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/01/facebook_clickjacking_worm/ [02:00] slick mod [02:01] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:01] an imac that makes popcorn [02:01] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:06] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] feinom (~feinom@feinom.forcebox.org) joined ##slackware. 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[03:59] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:00] phrag: 'Morning. [04:02] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:02] has anyone built pidgin 2.7.1 yet? [04:03] Silvie_ (wert@41.236.14.118) joined ##slackware. [04:06] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:06] laptop_hd (~laptop_hd@205.Red-88-26-179.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [04:09] I have four laptop ide hard drives and using a usb-ide adapter i want to attach them to my netbook running gnu/linux and try and find out whether they are OK or not. since i am new to gnu/linux what tools shall i use? [04:09] the file manager may show the contents of the hard drive but i am not concerned about the data they currently hold. i just want to find out whether there is current or impending hardware failure i should know about [04:09] hiptobecubic, any troubles? [04:09] Wiren (~IceChat7@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:10] MLanden, pidgin-encryption failed, haven't really investigated it much [04:11] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [04:13] spectre (~kyle@41.210.191.4) joined ##slackware. [04:13] spectre (kyle@41.210.191.4) left ##slackware. [04:13] hiptobecubic, looking at the source [04:14] rworkman: grats [04:15] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [04:15] since i can not use smart over USB, is it executing mkfs.ext3 -c /dev/sdc1 the best thing i can do? [04:16] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:17] laptop_hd: Do you want to benchmark your HDD? [04:17] laptop_hd: thats filesystem level. smart deals with the level below that. [04:18] USB HD makers usually have smart tools (for windows) you can try booting into windows? [04:18] or plugging it into a windows box? [04:18] i do not want to benchmark anything. i just want to find out whether there is current or impending hardware failure i should know about *without* using smart because it does not work over usb [04:18] laptop_hd: what mancha said. [04:19] hiptobecubic, segfault or does it give any error? [04:20] i do not have windows nor access to any windows box at the moment [04:20] MLanden, found this so far. rsa_nss.h:33:19: error: keyhi.h: No such file or directory [04:20] Not sure where that would have gone. pidgin-encryption built fine with pidgin 2.7.0 [04:22] laptop_hd: well don't really know what to tell you. [04:24] sounds like a bad path to nss [04:30] burobengen (~joga@ti0121a340-0585.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [04:32] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Hi. After I have installed slack, ejected the CD and booted, where do I find the "setup" (slackware installer)? [04:32] run pkgtools [04:32] ok, i'll try that [04:33] don't use an "s" like I did, just "pkgtool" then there's "Setup [04:34] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:34] Hmm, looks like I have to download all the packages first, there is no tool where I can install x xap from the net without having to boot from the install CD? [04:35] burobengen, you can boot from usb? you have to boot somehow [04:35] laptop_hd, you can use e2fsck -c too, no need to mkfs afaik. [04:36] sure, you can simply wget and then installpkg [04:36] burobengen, slackpkg works too [04:36] slava_dp, what is the difference? [04:36] laptop_hd, fsck does not format, it checks? this one? :/ [04:36] laptop_hd: it checks the existing filesystem. [04:37] I am booted and have a running slack now, but I aonly hadd install disk1, so now i am trying to figure out how to install the rest og the packages without having to burn CD's [04:37] but again, thats filesystem level, not hardware level. [04:37] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [04:37] burobengen, slackpkg update; slackpkg install-new [04:38] ok, ill try that [04:38] slava_dp, but i want to check the hardware [04:38] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:38] burobengen: Mount the respective images. [04:38] laptop_hd, then plug your disk in the proper bus. usb is not a proper one. [04:39] laptop, you can't [04:39] you've been told how you *can*. that's it... [04:39] laptop_hd: back to what mancha said [04:40] maybe the easiest is to rsync slack to local disk and do a installpkg * in each dir [04:40] laptop_hd: we're going in circles, you have the information you need, asking again won't change the reality of the situation. [04:40] slackytude|foo (~slacky@studpool-wlan27.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [04:41] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:41] j0z (~UNIX@189.58.12.122.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:41] j0z (~UNIX@189.58.12.122.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [04:41] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [04:42] spook, thanks but i have no intention of using windows [04:43] Morn [04:44] burobengen: Yes, that is if you haven't downloaded the other images. However, before proceeding with rsync, make sure you extract the contents of disk-1 (which you already have) to the local mirror of the tree, then proceed. You will save a lot of bandwidth and speed-up things. [04:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:44] i forgot another way, you can write a patch to smartctl so it uses a usb pass-through after you reverse engineer the protocol from the windows side [04:47] Roin (~florian@p5B2BB452.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:47] sunzofman (~sunzofman@c-69-246-40-165.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:48] edthix (~ed@124.13.34.207) joined ##slackware. [04:50] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [04:52] Mel-nix: Yes, thanks, but found that rsync (actually lftp mirror) was taking quite a long time, so I just download the DVD and mount the iso. [04:57] how do I choose the video output (i.e. xv, xshm etc.) in dragon player? [04:58] Azeotrope (JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [04:59] mancha: lol :P [04:59] AEnima1577g (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:01] cli_ (~cowyn@li110-174.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [05:04] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [05:04] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.36) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:07] slava_dp, will dragon player accept the variables -vo -ao from console? [05:08] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:09] MLanden, it is as dumb as it can be. I am looking at ways to configure phonon, as this is the backend dragon uses. [05:09] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [05:10] going to restart kde now [05:10] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:11] Slack WinXP and Win7 simultaneous and im still not using swap yet :) [05:11] i love slack [05:13] hah [05:13] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[05:22] hi [05:23] zoran119, must of been a udev call in 13.0 to that...check this out...(shutter buntu) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/159255 [05:23] I just compiled and made a slackware package for grub2, but it doesn't contain /etc/default/grub by default. [05:23] How can I make it exist? [05:23] MLanden: so i was wondering how come kde does it for example... what script does it call [05:23] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:23] crocket: /etc/default is not a directory slackware has [05:23] crocket: there should be no need to create it [05:24] Zordrak : slackware64 13.1 has some files in /etc/default [05:24] rly? [05:24] Zordrak : yes [05:24] Zordrak : check it out [05:24] huh [05:24] i guess so [05:24] i must be thinking of a different dir [05:24] There were some automated scripts for making /etc/defaul/grub in grub2 package. [05:25] then make one and put it in $PKG/etc/default [05:25] "configure the kde 4 to have the best performance and no special effects " its pro or against the slackware rules ? [05:25] uhh I mean out-of-the box [05:25] Zordrak : I won't be able to find the script for a while. [05:25] ahh i was thinking of sysconfig [05:26] paul424: if its your box there are no rules [05:26] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:26] uhh on the other side slackware always requires some work in configuring on the user side [05:26] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:26] Hi [05:27] I just installed slackware 13.0 on a Dell Latitude 2110 Netbook but after that [05:27] netcard wont be detected [05:27] no I was wondering if kde config shouldn't be altered, but read other side slackware always requires some work in configuring on the user side , Zordrak [05:27] what is the netcard? [05:27] any1 can help? [05:27] lspci [05:28] Ethernet controller Broadcom Netxtreme BCM57760 Gigabit ethernet pcie rev 01 [05:28] paul424: pat does not alter upstream software like that. The defaults are however the KDE devs set them [05:28] jamess__: ok.. and when you say its not detected what do you mean? [05:28] ifconfig [05:28] i dont see it [05:28] :( [05:28] jamess__: how about ifconfig -a ? [05:29] zoran119, dunno...could be how kde manipulates dbus/hal/udev can't get access to http://api.kde.org/ [05:29] MLanden: there are a few reports of these buttons not working [05:29] i just see [05:29] lo [05:30] nothing eles [05:30] else [05:30] MLanden: they just solve them with echoing the number into that file... i don't like that [05:30] jamess__: and thats with -a definitely added to the command? [05:30] zoran119, understood [05:31] yep [05:31] Zordrak: yep [05:31] ok [05:31] if i just run ifconfig [05:31] it is same output [05:31] as ifconfig -a [05:31] this suggets you need to load a module [05:31] jamess__: what kernel are you running? [05:31] modprobe tg3 [05:32] MLanden: i cannot get access to api.kde.org [05:32] zoran119, same here [05:32] standard one [05:33] 2.6.29-6-smp [05:33] >.< [05:34] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:34] jamess__: 10:30:02 < mancha> modprobe tg3 [05:34] 2.6.29.6 is *far* too old [05:34] adrien: far too stable you mean ;) [05:34] actually, I wonder if .33 would be recent enough (should but close call) [05:35] adrien: dude.. this is slack [05:35] Zordrak: for tg3 and 5776*? the card looks pretty recent [05:35] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:35] Zordrak: for this specific hardware ;-) [05:35] oic [05:36] right... [05:36] itll prbably be in there [05:36] tcg3 handles so many cards [05:36] *tg3 [05:36] Date: Wed Jan 20 16:58:11 2010 +0000 -> tg3: Add 57765 phy ID and enable devices. [05:36] Well arent you mr. smarty pants :) [05:36] 57765 not 57760 but should be close [05:37] tsss ;-) [05:37] Zordrak: ok for slack 13.0 can i just download the new kernel packages and pkgtool them and reboot? [05:38] jamess__: did you try modprobe tg3? [05:38] jamess__: is the kernel huge generic or custom? [05:38] Zordrak: modprobe tg3 [05:38] then nothing happens [05:38] dmesg [05:38] 2.6.29.6-smp [05:38] jamess__: right.. and then does it work? [05:39] jamess__: stop giving me the version number [05:39] jamess__: slackware provides a huge andd a generic kernel. which do you use? [05:39] buayaonline (~756666b3@gateway/web/freenode/x-zehgdavahvynituz) joined ##slackware. [05:39] modprobe tg3 and then ifconfig [05:39] same result [05:39] (-a ?) [05:40] yes :( only lo [05:40] then yes i would try a new kernel [05:40] modprobe tg3 and then dmesg to see what the kernel says about it? [05:40] but i dont know how well slack13.0 works with a 2.6.33+ kernel [05:40] lsmod|grep tg3 [05:40] says tg3 [05:40] libphy [05:41] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [05:41] dmesg |grep tg3 says: tg3 mdio bus: probed tg3: Problem fetching invariants of chip, aborting, tg3 PCI INT A disabled [05:42] bingo [05:42] I'd advise against taking 13.1's package and use it on 13.0 [05:42] why would you do that? [05:42] (rather than, say, use 13.1) [05:43] Zordrak: and I only happen to have a git repo of linus' tree in /usr/src/linux ;-) [05:43] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:43] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:44] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:44] try to load broadcom first. rmmod tg3; modprobe broadcom; modprobe tg3 [05:44] feinom (~feinom@feinom.forcebox.org) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [05:44] feinom (feinom@feinom.forcebox.org) joined ##slackware. [05:45] 2sec [05:45] hey, what do all you guys use for FS? ive been using reiserFS but i think tis causing issues cause i have soooo many files(several svn's, rather large ones on the system, 11,000 files * 4 + all the normal system files) [05:46] mancha: i think it worked!!! [05:46] slackin: Small partitions (<=300G) are ext4. Large ones (>300G) are XFS. Exclusively. [05:46] mancha: what could be the problem? [05:46] im sorry, 26,000 * 4 [05:46] jamess, driver idiocy [05:46] Zordrak: well its only a 180gb drive, but with almost 100,000 files [05:47] no, well over 100,000 [05:47] slackin: ext4 [05:47] slackin: if its good enough for google its good enough for you [05:47] mancha: you are good [05:47] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:47] Zordrak: do you think reiserfs could be causing an issue? [05:47] ive never had problems in 8 years with it [05:47] jamess__ glad this worked for you; do me a favor and write it up if you can - for other slackers [05:47] slackin: who knows.. i dont know any sane person that uses reiserfs [05:47] mancha: i will write a blog on it [05:47] Zordrak: lol, why is that? [05:48] mancha: ok next problem, X11 dont start on this device, I had a latitude 2100 before and it worked fine [05:48] slackin: a number of reasons. [05:48] jamess__: so check the X log [05:48] grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log [05:48] 2sec [05:48] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:48] Zordrak: well id love to hear more about it, im pretty damn experienced but i dont know much about the differences between the fs's [05:49] slackin: usually the biggest reason is a concern about development because the project's BDFL is in jail [05:49] mancha: it says failed to load module "type1" module does not exist [05:49] haha yea i know [05:49] Zordrak: i saw the movie [05:49] lolol [05:50] do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? [05:50] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:50] Zordrak: that crazy fuck was in florida right? [05:50] slackin: *shrug* [05:50] jamess__, which intel driver are you using? [05:50] Zordrak: did you ever see the movie? [05:50] slackin: no [05:50] it wasnt bad [05:50] slackin: im only concerned with the code [05:50] wasnt great either [05:50] but it was worth watching once [05:52] mancha: sorry the grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log says: intel drm failed, to open DRM device for : , unable to open /dev/agpgart AGP GART support is either not available or cannot be used couldnt allocate video memoery [05:52] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [05:53] jamess__, with kernel 2.6.29 and intel,there were some woes [05:53] so some problem with intel driver, if i load the standard vesa configuration then it works and start up but only 800x600 [05:54] jamess__: it would seem that the answer to most of your problems is to upgrade to 13.1` [05:54] yeah I just see 13.1 is out [05:54] but i just need X11 working on this one [05:54] net works now [05:55] jamess__, that model has a touchscreen,right? [05:55] nope [05:55] without touchscreen [05:55] just basic one [05:55] also no web cam [05:55] it is 2 gig ram, 1.8 atom [05:56] james, 13.0 has a bunch of alternate intel drivers in /extra [05:56] try them out [05:56] mancha: how can i load them [05:56] in xorg.conf it just says: Driver "intel" [05:57] no, i mean in the DVD theres a dir called extra [05:57] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88B21.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:57] in there there's a dir "xf86-video-intel-alternate" [05:57] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:57] try each one out successively until one works (fingers crossed) [05:57] is there an online link to the directory so i can wget the drivers since my netcard works now? [05:58] jamess__, unlike windows, the drivers are compiled into the kernel [05:58] go to slackware.com and look for the mirrors link [05:58] or in gui case, xorg drivers are compiled with X [05:58] NeanT (~me@188.26.220.224) joined ##slackware. [05:58] but since you're problem (part) is also the kernel drivers, you should probably try upgrading [05:59] so start with "upgradepkg xf86-video-intel-2.5.1-i486-1.txz" and move up, etc. trying X each time [05:59] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88C69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:59] oki 2sec [06:00] mancha: i found http://ftp.riken.go.jp/pub/pub/Linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/xf86-video-intel-alternate/ [06:00] there you go, there are several in there to test... [06:00] Silvie_ (wert@41.236.14.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:02] mancha: after upgradepkg what must i do? [06:02] Wiren (~IceChat7@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: ASCII a stupid question, get a stupid ANSI! [06:02] try to start X: startx [06:02] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [06:02] with the same driver "intel" ? [06:03] what do you mean same driver? [06:03] just startx [06:04] are you using an xorg.conf is this what you mean? [06:04] n0w0nd3r (~srijan4@117.98.152.52) joined ##slackware. [06:04] yeah [06:04] do i need to change anything in xorg.conf [06:04] in xorg.conf it has Driver "intel" [06:04] ok, first step is to not use one. [06:04] mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.con.m33p [06:04] 2sec [06:04] before messing with the xf86-video-intel... drivers... [06:05] "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg" just wrote out configurations for linux kernels and not for windows. Does anybody know why it fails to recognize windodws partitions? [06:05] try to startx without an xorg.conf. does it work? if not, then upgradepk the first alternate, try again, etc [06:05] ok i need to try [06:05] 2sec [06:08] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:08] screen++ [06:08] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:09] test [06:09] i got disconnected [06:09] mancha: i mv the xorg.conf and upgradepkg xf86-video-intel-2.8.1-i486-1.txz , then startx , EE drm failed to open DRM device for: , failed to become DRM master, unable to open /dev/agpgart intel AGP GART support is either not available intel coulnd allocate video memory [06:09] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:09] did you try all the xf86-video-intel packages? [06:10] only the 2.8.1 [06:10] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:11] laptop_hd (~laptop_hd@205.Red-88-26-179.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:11] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [06:12] tewmten (tew@gaskammare.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:14] ok, good lunch, time fer me lunch! [06:14] er, good luck i meant (see how hungry i am?) [06:15] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:16] jamess__, with the intel915 chipset that is in that netbook,you might have better luck with 13.1 with the updated mesa and the intel 2.11 driver...good luck [06:16] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [06:16] mancha: i upgradepkg the xf86-video-intel-2.5.1 driver [06:17] it seems to start [06:17] how do i make the xorg.conf file again [06:18] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-204-020.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [06:19] X -configure [06:19] from this post to LQ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/intel-945-current-%3D-blank-screen-809629/page2.html looks like there's a patch to 2.6.34 for the i915 [06:20] guys, what's wrong with my syntax here.. find . -name ! "*.gz" [06:20] remove quotes ? [06:20] zsh gets bitchy about wildcards in find [06:21] MLanden: i think it works with the xf86 driver for the X [06:21] MLanden: and the other hack for the NIC also seems to work [06:21] jamess__, gear! [06:22] heh [06:22] you want find . ! -name "*.gz" [06:24] jamess, so you found a working xf86-intel then? [06:24] ok before I forgot : could someone post his blacklist ? [06:24] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [06:25] mancha: i am trying them all now [06:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.203) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:25] i just read you said you think it works...i thought you had found one then [06:25] yeah it is just the screen [06:25] i dont see the lower part [06:26] it starts up and everything [06:26] but it is like it do not center the screen correctly [06:26] interesting, try them all first [06:26] phrag did you see my correction to your syntax? [06:27] mancha: the 2.5.1 and 2.6.3 allows to start X the 2.7.1 and 2.8.1 breaks so it wont start X at all [06:28] which one of 2.5.1 or 2.6.3 work better? [06:28] mancha: looks the same [06:28] mancha: i just boot it now with 2.6.3 [06:29] jamess__, will it let you use glxgears? [06:29] ok. and this is without an xorg.conf right? [06:29] mancha: thanks mate, figured it out just before, but appreciate it =) [06:30] mancha: i just boot it now with 2.6.3 [06:30] mancha: I tried with and without xorg.conf [06:30] mancha: same [06:30] sounds like you might have to find a working xorg.conf configuration for this... [06:31] mancha: I goto display config and I have 800x600, 1024x600, 1024,576 [06:31] maybe google for your video card and "xorg.conf" see what comes up [06:32] mancha: no matter which one i select then it dont fit the screen the task bar in button is almost not seen so if i go there with mouse then it scroll down , so like the screen is too big for this netbook screen [06:32] ok. sounds like it is picking the wrong modelines...to me [06:32] mancha: 10.1 inc [06:32] so just the xorg.conf that is broken? [06:32] yes, i think if you fix your xorg.conf you will be in business [06:33] now i selected 800x600 and it fits [06:33] mancha: now i selected 800x600 and it fits [06:33] mancha: but 800x600 is too big [06:33] what is the res? tried running 'xrandr'? [06:34] google your laptop model, your video card and the term "xorg.conf" and see what comes up...i am sure others have had to tweak this before you [06:34] mancha fix my 13.1 problem :P [06:34] adrien: xrandr screen 0 minimum 800x576 current 800x600 maximum 1024 x600 [06:34] latitude 2110 [06:35] raela maybe this evening, lunch is now ready to be eaten. bbl [06:35] later, enjoy [06:37] jamess__: with 1024x600, could it be that the screen is shifted, or does it look scaled/stretched? [06:38] adrien: everything looks normal it is just like it is too "big" for the netbook screen so the task bar in the button i only see 20% of it so i have to scroll the mouse down there [06:38] adrien: so problem is heigh it is a little to height [06:39] if you see? [06:39] and 1024x576 still exhibits the same problem? [06:40] it is a little better [06:40] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-50-156.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: L8R folks [06:40] but still i dont see the full bar in the button [06:40] your display is supposed to be x600 though... [06:41] as far as *I* am concerned, I'd "simply" have used 13.1 on the simple basis that your hardware is fairly recent (launched two months ago at most afaict) [06:43] yeah [06:43] i just try to get this slack 13.0 working [06:43] Aldaron (1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Why does hibernate never work on slackware?! (with 13.1 64-bit it does shut down the computer, but when I turn it on again, it boots normally through lilo) [06:44] Aldaron: because you havent fully read about how it works and havent configured it properly. [06:44] That's a guess. [06:44] But I'd bet it's accurate. [06:44] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [06:45] Aldaron: have you, for example told your kernel where it should find the information from which to resume the state? [06:45] Zordrak: might be ;). but no, I haven't told my kernel that [06:46] let's see if I can find that info somewhere :P [06:46] Aldaron: then by what magic of mordor do you expect it know it should be resuming from hibernate instead of just booting? [06:47] Zordrak: perhaps the same magic that other oses use? ;) [06:47] no info on hibernate in slackware.com's faq :( [06:47] Aldaron: you can add it to the kernel params in lilo, or you can add it as a kernel configuration parameter [06:47] its not a slackware thing its a kernel thing [06:48] I bet it's a slackware faq that hibernate doesn't work out of the box [06:48] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hibernate+slackware [06:50] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:51] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [06:51] does anybody know a good tool to control the brightness of my laptop lcd using the keys? when i press these buttons i only see XF86MonBrightnessUp & Down events but nothing happens. [06:51] google doesn't help :( (not to find The Method that works for slackware 13.1) [06:52] brightness control in kde guidance power manager works [06:53] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Aldaron: the third link on the results page i gave you. [06:53] Aladron: add resume=/dev/sdX (your swap partition) to "append=" in /etc/lilo.conf [06:54] Zordrak: okay, I'll try that. It seems to be for slackware 11 though, and most probably both slackware and the kernel changed since then [06:54] (come on, it makes no sense that default install has a "get confused and maybe lose your work" button in kde's shutdown menu..) [06:55] Aldaron: it doesnt [06:55] Like EVERYTHING else it has a button for running an appl/ication that must be configured befare you use it [06:55] Aldaron: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Hardware/Mini_HOW_TO_Hibernate_and_resume_0 [06:55] Zordrak: I pushed hibernate on my laptop, then booted. I got confused, and all my open apps were nowhere to be seen when slackware booted up again. Okay, so this was a test on my part and I was prepared, but still.. [06:56] Zordrak: Suspend worked without configuring anything [06:56] Aldaron: Slackware is not designed for people who make assumptions [06:56] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:56] Zordrak: you have a (probably earned) guru perspective into it, but try to understand what some user feels like [06:57] come on, seriously. [06:57] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [06:57] Aldaron: Bottom line: Slackware expects you to read the documentation first. If you don't want to do that then that's your choice. [06:58] Slackware rocks exactly because it allows me to make good assumptions in most places (like to assume they don't change the bootloader between versions and force me to learn grub, or assume that bash works as it always did, and that installed software just works) [06:59] Zordrak: Which part of the official documentation would have told me about this hibernation problem? (I do read docs, mind you) [06:59] Aldaron: Would you expect Slackware to automatically make a swap partition for you without asking? [06:59] Zordrak: no. [06:59] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:59] Aldaron: then why should it determine for you where it should automatically try to resume from? [07:00] I'd expect Slackware to either hibernate correctly, or not shut down at all. Even better, it could give me an error message when it's not set up correctly for hibernation. Even better, the message could say what's wrong. [07:00] Aldaron: KDE provides the button. Slackware does not modify KDE. [07:01] Aldaron: perhaps you should ask the KDE devs to hide the hibernate button until its been configured [07:01] ok i got the X11 to fit, but i started without xorg.conf , how can i make it save the config to a xorg.conf ? [07:01] varrogep (~varrogep@dsl91ECD26F.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [07:01] KDE just calls pm-hibernate [07:01] Zordrak: then the least Slackware could do is tell users in some doc that it's not set up for hibernation by default. [07:01] lol [07:01] Aldaron: perhaps slackbook v3 will do that [07:01] yay! [07:01] adrien: I got it to fit, how can i save it to xorg.conf ? [07:01] buayaonline (~756666b3@gateway/web/freenode/x-zehgdavahvynituz) left irc: Quit: Page closed [07:01] Aldaron: but its a rather picky observation. [07:01] I'm thinking of writing about it in slackwiki too [07:01] does it claim it is set up anywhere, Aldaron? [07:02] I think slackware assumes users will take a bit of their own initiative with configuration [07:02] Aldaron: The point is that Slackware doesnt tell you that lilo is not set up for RAID1 by default [07:02] why should it tell you its not set up for resume from hibernate by default? [07:02] raela: uh, no. Slackware doesn't claim anything. Still almost all things that are presented to me in Slackware just work. I wouldn't use something that could list things that work ;). [07:03] Aldaron: it *does* just work. [07:03] raela: I don't mind the initiative, I mind the fact that it's not documented properly. [07:03] Aldaron: RIGHT after yfou configure it [07:03] well, what did you use? but it's been a really long time since I had to write an xorg.conv [07:03] f [07:03] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Aldaron: 11:54:01 < Zordrak> Aldaron: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Hardware/Mini_HOW_TO_Hibernate_and_resume_0 [07:03] Zordrak: raid1 is on a completely different technical level than putting a computer to sleep [07:04] Zordrak: yea, reading that atm (but an outdated text by some unknown third party is hardly proper docs) [07:04] Aldaron: Slackware collects software together. The documentation you need to read does not belang to Slackware.. it belongs to the kernel, lilo an the pm suite [07:04] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [07:04] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:04] (well, it'd be more proper if it was in some slackware-specific site at least) [07:05] Theres nothing *special* about the way slackware does it [07:05] anyone know when starting x without xorg.conf file how to save the setup to a xorg.conf ? [07:05] its the same way everyone else does it and its well documanted [07:05] Aldaron: youre just asking for Pat to hand the docs to you on a plate [07:05] the special thing about slackware is that only on slackware, it doesn't work out of the box (my experience, although limited) [07:06] Aldaron: im done with this. ALL you have to do is add a line to lilo. Go work out how and do it. [07:06] Zordrak: not necessarily ;). [07:06] Yes necessarily. [07:06] Then again, if this could be solved with some line in lilo that does no harm ever, then slackware would be better if it put the line there at install time [07:07] jamess__: You can't save the current running configuration to an xorg.conf file. [07:07] You actually have to create and modify the xorg.conf manually. [07:07] What did you do after starting X to get it working properly? [07:07] Aldaron: Dude wtf? At install time slack asks YOU to create your own lilo.conf and gives you the option of usingf a basic default if you just cant be arsed [07:08] /basic/ [07:08] Zordrak: are you really saying that slackware would be better if it shipped with a kernel that's not configured for anything? Not worse? [07:12] Slackware would also be better if it did "export ARCH=`arch`" during boot, that way compiling stuff would also work on 64bit. Anyway, I use slackware exactly *because* it doesn't require me to learn new obscure stuff as much as other distros [07:12] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:12] there are few deviations from this, but these are annoying. [07:13] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Quit: Support freenode - http://bit.ly/3NtvfD [07:14] im saying it would be fucking clown-shoes for slackware to ship with "/dev/sda2" hard-coded into the kernel as the resume partition and the way lilo is configured in slackware if you dont know what youre doing enough to set your own resume partition it should not be making assumptions for you? How the shit should it know where you want to resume from if at all? Do you also want it to ask you what you'd like to do today and suggest spelling co [07:14] s/?/!/ [07:15] I think resuming from the swap partition (which it finds automatically while starting installation now already) would be a decent guess [07:15] Aldaron: You are making silly assumptions again. [07:15] Aldaron: I have three swap partitions [07:15] adrien: wow! [07:15] Aldaron: Who says there even IS a swap partition [07:15] Aldaron: if sno maybe theres several as in adrien's case [07:15] I never heard of anyone having more than one swap [07:15] adrien: why? [07:15] and this laptop has no swap partition ^^ [07:16] Aldaron: f4st3r [07:16] three disks, so a swap partition at the beginning of each [07:16] Zordrak: A guess that works better than no guess is a useful guess, even when it maybe doesn't always work.. [07:16] makes swapping a *bit* less painful [07:17] asamoah (~caio@190.244.54.145) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Aldaron: Can you see what I mean here? Ubuntu's hibernate may just work but Ubuntu makes assumptions about what you want to do and how you want to do it and it modifies upstream softmare configurations to achieve its result. Slackware gives you EVERYTHING you need to hibernate.. all it asks of you is to read the docs so you know haw it works and then modify one configuration file to enable it. [07:18] also, some other piece of software seems to have a default for where to write resume info, so probably the same logic could be known for resuming too ;) [07:18] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:18] hibernation works fine for me (with LUKS/LVM) [07:18] Aldaron: the truth here is that what you want is for the KERNEL to automatically scan available swap partitions for resumable info. But it doesnt.. so complain to the kernel devs not Slackware. [07:19] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:19] Zordrak: yes, I see and appreciate that. With previous versions I've just googled until I got tired of it and just never used hibernation because I didn't find docs [07:21] So you came here and i showed you the docs. [07:21] Simples. [07:21] I have never gotten hibernation going on my laptops.. hrm. maybe I should try on the older one, but I don't think this one can [07:21] don't you need more swap than ram to hibernate? [07:21] Zordrak: Slackware installer has dialogs for many lilo options including the screen resolution. Okay, so that's extra niceness too - as you say "that's lilo/kernel, not slackware!!1!". Still slackware installer does it and I find it very nice. It could also have a dialog like "Hey, I detected you have one swap partition. Want to resume off it?" [07:22] I'm not saying "slackware should have that", but rather "slackware would be better with that" [07:22] Zordrak: and thank you for the links :) [07:23] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Aldaron: then what you need to do is send an email to volkeri@slackware.com that says "Dear Pat, thank you for your hard work. As Hibernation (suspend to disk) is becoming more and more popular, I was wondiring if you would consider adding a feature to the slackware installer that offers to add detected swap partitions to the initial lilo configuration so that it may then work out-of-the-box. Thank you for your time. Your faithful servant, Al [07:24] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:25] Zordrak: I think that's a very good course of action, and I might do just that :). [07:25] Even better, write a patch for the installer that does it and include it in the e-mail. [07:25] adamk: ++ [07:27] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Does anybody use grub2 in slackware? [07:28] crocket: No [07:28] Not likely [07:28] nobody I know of [07:28] I'm using it now [07:28] I succeeded in booting with grub2 [07:28] we ran someone off looking for grub2 support for not-slackware last night [07:28] :P [07:28] But there is no /etc/default/grub automatically generated by grub2's internal scripts. [07:28] better ask the grub people then [07:28] but we don't use grub2! [07:29] Took him a while to figure out that we were trying to run him off, too [07:29] he was quite determined that slackware was here to help all issues :P [07:29] crocket: you're basically asking windows users why fork() isn't workin [07:29] (I know, almost noone will understand but that's the best analogy I could come up with =/ ) [07:30] adrien: I think I got it! :D [07:30] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:30] raela: and the reason is? [07:30] (actually, if you s/fork()/grub2/ and s/windows/slackware, you can get it too) [07:30] windows doesn't using the same setup for processes? so whereas windows has one per program, linux has the threads as well [07:31] am I close? [07:32] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [07:32] raela: windows doesn't have fork() [07:32] raela: so, no ^^ [07:32] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:32] but.. isn't that what I basically said? or does windows have threads and just can't fork one [07:33] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:33] Action: Zordrak just ripped the shit out of an print supplies telemarketer for abusing reflexive pronouns. [07:33] no, both windows and linux have both threads and processes ;-) [07:33] ah [07:33] It does have threads, and you can spawn threads. It uses a different function than fork() though. [07:33] *note to all... I am not a CS person. don't believe anything I say, just shake your head and laugh* [07:33] raela, "Just nod your head and say 'Yes dear'" [07:33] raela: new process on unixy systems is fork+exec{,v,ve} whereas it is CreateProcess{,Ex}* on windows [07:34] raela: Can we point and laught instead? [07:34] adrien: ahhh okay [07:34] Action: Zordrak prefers point and laugh [07:34] FriedBob: sure [07:34] I know I'm an idiot :P [07:34] alisonken1noc: we're not married (yet)! [07:34] adrien: not ever! [07:34] damn =/ [07:34] alisonken1noc: I'd show him what a fork is -_- to the ass [07:34] adrien, works anyways - or consider it practice for the future :) [07:35] alisonken1noc: :P [07:35] NeanT (~me@188.26.220.224) left irc: Quit: bye [07:35] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:36] i added append="resume=/dev/sda2" to lilo.conf sda2 is swap drive, but when i turn down screen it dont goto sleep [07:36] yeah.. you have to set that up [07:36] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [07:36] jamess__: the lilo config is only for resuming. Hibernating when you shut the lid is up to your diesktop environment to manage [07:37] in kde it says [07:37] jamess__: also you user needs to be in the power group [07:37] when laptop lid closed Suspend to ram [07:37] is that fine? [07:37] but nothing happens [07:37] jamess__: suspend to ram has nothing to do with the kernel append params [07:37] jamess__: are you using kde? Then System Settings -> Advanced -> Power Management [07:38] yeah in kde [07:38] jamess__: IS your user in theo power group? [07:38] no [07:38] let me set [07:38] and reboot [07:38] 2sec [07:39] Some days i really really wish IRC wasnt virtual so I pick up a seriously large clue-bat and go psycho on everyone. [07:40] *so I could [07:40] Zordrak: I dunno, I just heard someone use "clue-by-four" the other day and thought that was great :P [07:40] ok [07:40] rebooted [07:40] and down shutdoing screen down [07:41] Clue-by-four for when you need extended range [07:41] nothign happens [07:41] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [07:41] I think IRC counts for extended :P [07:41] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-tigatvbxukkchsjs) joined ##slackware. [07:41] jamess__: what happens if you type pm-suspend in a terminal? [07:41] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:41] must it suspend or hibernate? [07:42] theF? [07:42] pm-suspend is how you suspend, pm-hibernate is how you hibernate. [07:42] what is difference [07:42] i want it to be completely dead [07:42] and when i open screen [07:43] it must resume everything [07:43] Im just not gonna tell you. [07:43] jamess__: Go and look up the difference between suspend and hibernate. [07:43] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [07:45] ok i better use suspend [07:45] i tried with both [07:45] when laptop lid closed [07:45] i set to suspend and hibranate [07:45] but nothing happens [07:45] when i open screen i just see it normal [07:45] i can see when screen is closed it is still on [07:46] 12:39:45 < Zordrak> jamess__: what happens if you type pm-suspend in a terminal? [07:46] hibranate needs lots of extra configuration. [07:46] pm-suspend [07:46] XGizzmo: It needs VERY little. [07:46] now it is sleeping [07:46] the power light goes up and down [07:47] so like it sleep [07:47] jamess__: Ok.. so you know that suspend *works* [07:47] Zordrak: magic! [07:47] burobengen (~joga@ti0121a340-0585.bb.online.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:47] and i press power button [07:47] and i am back [07:47] so that is great [07:47] you just have to get KDE to recognise that your lid is closed and call pm-suspend [07:47] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:48] yeah that is problem [07:50] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [07:50] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:54] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [07:55] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:56] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.38.248) joined ##slackware. [07:56] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:57] if i run pm-suspend manually then it suspend [07:57] but when i run from battery icon in corner nothing happens [07:57] iceheart (0@120.195.173.98) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:58] jamess__: ask the kde people [07:59] jamess__: just to double check, type "id " to check your user is definitely in the power group [07:59] has anyone else noticed their dns servers getting tested by various dns organizations? [08:00] burobengen (~joga@ti0121a340-0088.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [08:00] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [08:00] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:00] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [08:00] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:07] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:09] as for the reload i dont know [08:09] slava_dp, udevadm trigger --reload_rules might do it [08:10] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:10] trigger: unrecognized option '--reload_rules' [08:10] Roin (~florian@p5B2BB452.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [08:10] Roin (~florian@p5B2BB452.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [08:11] are you on 13.1? [08:11] 13.0 [08:12] that box is [08:12] might be 'udevadm control --reload-rules' [08:12] sorry, i'm on an older slackware install for ssh while at work :> [08:13] at any rate, udevadm(8) + searching for reload should find it if that doesn't work [08:14] heh, it says it reloads, but nothing changes in /dev even if I replug the device. weird. [08:15] Nick change: dive -> Quasi^afk [08:15] Nick change: Quasi^afk -> dive [08:15] and the rule is created correctly? ( /me couldn't help there :( ) [08:16] it's upstream, so it should be correct (and appears so when examined) [08:19] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:20] ATTR{idVendor}=="0592", ATTR{idProduct}=="0002", MODE="664", GROUP="nut" [08:20] does that look OK? [08:22] yeah, might want "0644" , but probably doesn't matter [08:22] mmm [08:25] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:25] does 'udevadm info --attribute-walk' confirm your device properties? [08:28] n0w0nd3r (~srijan4@117.98.152.146) joined ##slackware. [08:31] danix (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:32] n0w0nd3r (~srijan4@117.98.152.146) left irc: Client Quit [08:37] Kowalczyk (~kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:39] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] does the use of telinit reinitialize the uptime ? [08:40] Guest09873 (~id@95-29-182-75.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:40] mmm, not sure :> I don't think so. [08:41] Guest09873 (~id@95-29-182-75.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:41] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) joined ##slackware. [08:43] i have no reason to believe it would.. youre not restarting.. just changing the runlevel [08:43] telinit just resets the runlevel [08:44] uptime is started when the computer is started and stopped when the computer is stopped [08:44] Is there an echo in here? :p [08:44] restarted is the same as stopped for uptime [08:44] Zordrak, you beat me to it - but I know rather than believe :) [08:45] thrice`, udevadm info shows the correct identifiers. I should probably reboot.... [08:45] where does uptime get its data? the init process ? [08:45] part of kernel initialization [08:45] before init [08:46] thrice`, cat /proc/uptime [08:47] I think im pushing my system a little. Running an encrypted disk, simultaneously running Amarok/Thunderbird/Firefox and installing two different virtual windows boxes each given 1.5G RAM [08:47] its a little unhappy with me :) [08:48] well duh! you've got a virus taking up 3G of ram! [08:48] oh, and user info from /var/run I guess [08:48] To its credit.. KDE hasnt crashed [08:49] KDE crashed on me this morning, when I gragged an icon to the plasma quicklauncher plugin. [08:49] i can't play flash with firefox, and i can't install adobe flash_player [08:49] at least plasma reloads itself. [08:49] that plugin has always been a PITA even before it was included [08:49] iceheart: congrats. [08:49] iceheart, those two are related, believe it or not ;) [08:50] you can use the slackbuild on slackbuilds.org for flash, or just download the .tar.gz for flash and plop it into ~/.mozilla/plugins/ [08:50] thrice`: 64 avail? [08:50] http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz [08:51] http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz [08:51] cool [08:51] whichever $arch you're on, iceheart [08:51] Zordrak, slackbuilds.org gets you x86_64 as well. [08:51] i686 [08:51] then use the latter [08:51] slava_dp: k. just wasnt sure it was added [08:53] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:53] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [08:55] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:55] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:58] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [08:59] thrice`: Thank you, it works well now [09:00] sure thing :) [09:00] iceheart, get sbopkg :-) [09:00] but, before this, i am try this method, it not work [09:02] slava_dp: thanks :-) [09:02] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:02] rworkman, congrats mate [09:02] iceheart, perhaps you had the wrong architecture, or incorrect plugin directory? [09:03] maybe :-) [09:04] the hell? win7_32 doesnt ask for the licence key during install.. but win7_64 does [09:05] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [09:06] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:07] dngr (~dngr@119.237.151.94) joined ##slackware. [09:09] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Zordrak: kewl ._. [09:10] in the UPGRADE.TXT file from slackware.iso , it's mentionned that we can use this method to upgrade packages ... http://pastebin.com/5vPUCrza [09:10] but it seems that a "cd .." has been forgotten [09:10] no ? [09:10] ( ) runs in a subshell, no need to cd back. [09:11] ok thanks ! [09:11] upgradepkg --install-new */*.t?z will work fine too [09:11] man bash, search for (list) [09:11] thrice`, that would install kdei packages too ... i don't want [09:11] thrice`, that code example was for installing all but kdei iirc. [09:12] ah, ^ [09:12] well, your list is wrong too, because it includes emacs [09:12] Action: slava_dp +1 lol [09:12] helqg (~slack@188.128.27.54) joined ##slackware. [09:13] iceheart (0@120.195.173.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:14] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:16] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-173.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:18] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [09:18] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8CF72.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:19] Aidar-Nagato (admin@95.105.45.213) left ##slackware. 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[09:36] or are we running a 32-bit one? [09:36] slava_dp, i guess they are saying that they were "sanctioned by mozilla" ? that seems retarded. [09:37] "You will only be able to run a select few add-ons in 64-bit mode" [09:37] slava_dp, no we are not. I didn't even have 32 bit glibc until like last week [09:37] I can run all addons I can find. [09:37] yeah i don't know whats going on there. Maybe my understanding of it is completely wrong [09:38] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:38] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] oh, they mean windows. the poor system lacks 64-bit stuff still. [09:39] I loved the "questionable gains from having a 64-bit browser" part. [09:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:44] admiralboom (~Nathan.Bl@nat-vlan0200.sat4.rackspace.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:57] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:57] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:00] elbeardmorez (~elbeardmo@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:00] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:02] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-189-18.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-189-18.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Changing host [10:02] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [10:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:06] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-147-154-67.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:07] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:09] Does anybody want grub2? I am almost ready to package it ready with a documentation. [10:09] LILO is good, but grub2 has its own advantages. [10:09] (It's my catch phrase.) [10:10] most people here are happy with lilo. but diversity is a good thing, and if you want to submit a slackbuild, go for it :) [10:10] One of the reasons I like slackware is that I don't want to learn grub. Some time ago I had trouble booting a computer and knew exactly what to do if it had lilo, but it had grub.. [10:11] slava_dp: slackbuilds.org is currently closed. [10:11] So grub already cost me hours of work :/ [10:11] crocket, it will be open some time surely =) [10:11] I can access the site right now [10:14] /etc/default/grub is not automatically generated by grub2 itself. [10:14] It was generated by ubuntu or debian's grub2 postinstallation script. [10:16] so generate one in the slackbuild or supply a template. [10:19] slava_dp : I provide the ubuntu template. [10:20] I just talked with the man who maintains ubuntu grub2. [10:20] He made documentations and /etc/default/grub. [10:20] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:26] crocket (crocket@121.168.91.143) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.2"). [10:26] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [10:28] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:28] santobob (~chatzilla@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:29] nickstolen (~insula@b4mad.info) joined ##slackware. [10:30] does anyone know why apache2.2.15 package wants libldap-2.3.so.0 even with authz_ldap hash'd out? [10:30] cause it's built against it? [10:31] for a fact? [10:31] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:32] ldd apache and see what it says [10:32] yes. on both 13.0 and 13.1. [10:33] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] ldd /usr/bin/httpd [10:33] nickstolen, slackware is a full-install distro. if you don't full-install, you'll have problems. [10:33] 2.2.13 on 12.2 wasn't weird to suddenly have it with ldap on 2.2.15 with 12.2 [10:33] libldap-2.3.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libldap-2.3.so.0 (0x00007f733c9d6000) [10:33] slackware is ? o.O since when [10:34] . o O (since the dawn of time) :-) [10:34] er doubt it :P [10:34] nickstolen: it is expected that if you havent carefully chosen the exact packages you need to have a working system (for you) then you should do a full install [10:34] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:35] of course, you can always go into src/apache* and run the slackbuild to remove libldap if you want :) [10:35] still has long as I hash out anything that requires ldap, it should work... it did for 2.2.13 [10:35] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] nickstolen: and in recent time a full install is heavily recommended in ALL cases except where hard disk space is at a premium.. which it hardly ever is [10:35] Zordrak: VPS hence the barebone. [10:35] at least all non-gui aspects if you want a server [10:35] nickstolen: *nod* [10:36] does anyone use emerde or portpkg? [10:36] nickstolen: be aware though.. half the system is built against libldap [10:36] rab13s, not on slackware :) [10:36] i SERIOUSLY recommend installing it [10:36] well, you could certainly only install what you think you need, and then install things they depend on ;) [10:36] even for 12.2 ? [10:36] yes [10:36] sigh thats a big different [10:37] apache and samba for example are both built against it [10:37] but libldap is small enough.. its just a core system requirement for a lot of bits n bobs [10:37] bring back the lean thin slackware I love [10:37] :( [10:37] alisonken1home: whats the best way to check for dependencys? [10:38] ldd the binary [10:38] Zordrak: thats not a issue, just wondering why it is the way it is. [10:38] nickstolen: it *is* lean.. openldap has been compiled specifically to exclude the server.. but provide the ldap libraries.. because so many apps need to be built against them for client ldap support [10:38] alisonken1home: the only reason i even looked into thoes 2 are because I installed a program once and missed a single dependency, and the program was corrupt from then on. [10:39] Zordrak: ah thought I had to install a ldap server which ...... pita [10:39] danix (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:42] santobob (~chatzilla@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [10:43] santobob (~chatzilla@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:44] ok openldap I can understand but what does apache need libsasl for? [10:45] authentication via sasl which can use an ldap database [10:46] rab13s, use the line I showed above to check deps on a binary [10:46] nickstolen: you could always recompile apache without these dependencies... just take Pat's SlackBuild in /source, modify the configure flags, modify the build identifier, rerun the slackbuild and then upgradepkg over the previous [10:46] cr3_ (~cr3@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:46] hi [10:46] santobob (~chatzilla@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:47] ldd /usr/bin/httpd ? [10:47] what's supposed to be in menu.lst so that i can install slackware from hdd? [10:47] nickstolen, apache can use kerberos, kerberos uses the gssapi and the gssapi uses libsasl [10:47] no, it should be in /var/lib/apache/bin/httpd [10:47] Zordrak: was looking into that, didn't quite get what slackbuild was for. :) Just got back into linux after mm 5 or 6 years stop [10:48] alisonken1home: not sure exactly what line your talking about? [10:48] cr3_, the installatoin script that's used when you boot from cd/usb will ask where the sources are [10:48] rab13s, the line above that says "ldd /usr/bin/httpd" - just change the / with the binary you want to check [10:48] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:48] nickstolen: thats definitely your first stop. As soon as you understand the purpose and functions of SlackBuilds you will really feel the power and simplicity of managing slack [10:49] nickstolen: start at http://slackbuilds.org which is the 3rd party repo of builds [10:49] i know it's possible to choose source of packages in slackware installer [10:49] but [10:49] i've tried to point GRUB to "huge.s" kernel and System.map.gz (ig uess thats initrd) [10:49] rab13s, and it also works on libraries (like libsasl) to find out what _other_ deps are needed for the lib as well [10:49] nickstolen: Pat uses the exact same methods for core slack [10:49] but kernel panics [10:49] cr3_, of course - System.map.gz is not the initrd [10:49] nickstolen: and sbopkg (http://sbopkg.org) automates pulling/building/installing from sbopkg with a nice ncurses interface [10:49] then where is initrd? [10:49] but grub accepts that file as initrd :P [10:50] sbopkg? hell isn't there a official package manager anymore? [10:50] sure - grub (and lilo) will allow you to put any file as an initrd - as long as it's present. doesn't mean the file is a real initrd [10:50] alisonken1home, can i take initrd.img from isolinux dir, and bzImage from huge.s )or hugesmp)? [10:50] and the initrd for install boot is not a normal initrd [10:50] what will hapepen then [10:51] nickstolen: slackpkg handles official slackware packages [10:51] i don't know exactly what's initrd :P i just want to "invoke" the installer [10:51] nickstolen: sbopkg handles 3rd party builds from SlackBuilds.Org [10:51] so that i can choose source of packages etc [10:52] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:52] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-173.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:52] cr3_, for installing slackware, it's recommended to boot from the cd/usb boot image [10:52] you can add the installed slackware as an option to grub after that [10:52] ok :P [10:52] during the install, just tell the installer to skip lilo config [10:53] i thought it's recommended to install from dvd [10:53] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@101.sub-97-229-235.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] or buy official cd :P [10:53] buy official cd/dvd or get a subscription helps keep pat working on the next release of slackware [10:54] ok - cd/usb/dvd - whatever works for you :) [10:54] alisonken1home: so I should use "ldd /usr/bin gtk" that will tell me if gtk is installed? [10:54] /pxe too [10:54] I think I havnt had enough coffee yet [10:54] rab13s, ls /var/log/packages/ [10:54] rab13s, no - gtk is a suite of binaries - ldd only works on individual files [10:55] to see what packages are installed, what slava_dp said [10:55] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:55] ah [10:55] or slackpkg search gtk [10:55] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [10:55] although, no, that searches for files not packages [10:56] slackpkg info gtk? [10:56] doesn't accept wildcards. [10:56] slackpkg info gtk+ [10:56] slackpkg info gtk+2 [10:57] slava_dp: file-search is files, search is packagens [10:57] im trying, or at least reading about installing blueman. their list of build/runtime dependencies, is making me nervous that im missing something [10:57] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-140-131.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) joined ##slackware. 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[11:01] slava_dp: is that how you would go about doing it? [11:02] nickstolen: whatever upstream are shipping at the moment is what youll find in slack [11:02] mm must have been a openbsd feature then I guess. [11:02] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:02] rab13s, if I had slack 13.0, I'd upgrade it to 13.1 omitting the kernel. [11:02] ++ [11:02] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:03] Guest09873 (~id@95-29-182-75.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:04] Guest09873 (~id@95-29-182-75.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:04] Action: slava_dp goes home. bye bye everyone :) [11:04] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:04] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) joined ##slackware. [11:05] zordak: so how do I upgrade? rsync? or is there another way that I am unaware of? 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[11:11] from what I read its just an issue with lilo not installing correctly. [11:11] did you upgrade lilo with the switch? [11:11] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:12] also - there was a change to some things in the kernel stuff between 13.0 and 13.1 (libata comes to mind) [11:12] varrogep (~varrogep@dsl91ECD26F.pool.t-online.hu) left irc: Quit: varrogep [11:13] alisonken1home: I did fresh installs, so hopefully the MBR was getting overwritten as well [11:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:15] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [11:16] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:20] cr3_ (~cr3@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:23] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [11:27] artvmobile (~zsirc@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] bellman (~bellman@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:38] That..isn't that hard [11:39] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:41] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [11:44] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [11:44] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] crocket (crocket@121.168.91.143) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.2"). [11:48] VBox is terrible with gfx " [11:48] :/ [11:50] In what way? Do you have the guest additions installed? [11:52] nickstolen: its damn good for me here [11:52] has anyone tried the new ati fglrx 10.5 with slackware 13.5 yet? (not slackware64) [11:52] 13.1, even [11:52] adamk: in directx ways [11:52] two win OSes fullscreened to two of nine desktop activities.. all working beautifully [11:52] nickstolen: did you enable the experimental 3D support? [11:52] even with 2G/ram assigned my windows 7 64bit is slow as hell. [11:53] Zordrak: tried with and without [11:53] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] nickstolen: mine onlyhas 1.5G and is running fine [11:53] jhw: Very briefly, yes, I did. [11:53] and is it working? ;) [11:53] I thought vbox only supported opengl acceleration. [11:53] nickstolen: although i gave it 64MB of my VRAM [11:53] VMware player works alot better which is a shame cause if not for the gfx I rather use vbox [11:54] jhw: It did work, yes. I didn't try much before switching to slackware64 13.1. [11:54] its enough to know for me if its just installing. i couldn't get the old 10.4 installed under slack13.1 [11:55] damn it, rc.postfix cannot start since i upgraded to 13.1, here is what i get [11:55] postfix: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [11:55] that was the only thing preventing me from switching to 13.1 on my desktop [11:55] maybe i should rebuild mysql [11:55] jhw: I just downloaded 10.5 and ran the installer with '--buildpkg Slackware/All' and installed the packages. [11:55] paissad: no.. rebuild postfix [11:55] jhw: No patching, no mess, no pain. [11:55] paissad: youve built postfix against an older mysql lib and then taken that lib away and replaced it with a new one [11:55] Zordrak, i tried to rebuild postfix ... that failed, wait a minute i show you [11:56] thx for the infos. guess i'm going to upgrade then as soon as work allows me to [11:56] auska (~auska@83.53.215.243) joined ##slackware. [11:56] as work allows you to? be a man and take a vacation, jhw [11:56] paissad: from 13.1 SBo or 13.0? [11:57] jg71: kinda hard to leave our monitoring on its own ;) [11:57] As for direct3d, yes, vmware seems to handle it quite well. It does graphics better than virtualbox in general and, frankly, I prefer it to virtualbox in most other aspects. [11:57] at least at the moment, where i am the only one watching [11:57] Zordrak, oh right, i forgot ... i did not sync to get 13.1 slackbuilds [11:57] paissad: fail [11:57] i was using sbo from 13.0 [11:58] jhw: nevermind, im so serious clowns near my drop dead ;) [11:58] *me [11:58] adamk: i was reasonably happy with vmware until they completely destroyed their server product by killing the stand-alone and introducing a ridiculous server architecture and insane browser-plugin access [11:58] Ahhh. Never tried their server software. [11:59] Just using workstation and player here. [11:59] VMWare Server was what VirtualBox is now.. but client-server [12:00] so the server ran the VM the client viwed it [12:00] I thoght workstation and virtualbox were about the same.. Maybe I'm not aware of all virtualbox can do. [12:00] Huh. [12:00] Yeah, I didn't know vbox could do that. [12:00] itmcant [12:00] it cant [12:00] VMWare Server was what VirtualBox is now.. but client-server rather than stand-alone [12:01] now the ONLYway to access a running VM on VMWare server is though a custom IE or firefox browser plugin [12:01] is this the right command for syncing ? "rsync -av rsync://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds" [12:01] (unless its changed recently) [12:01] i get no new dirs ... [12:01] paissad: sbopkg -r [12:01] Zordrak, i don't have that program [12:01] paissad: sux2bu [12:02] mmm cp with no -p switch ... mmm [12:02] paissad: go get it. yesterday. [12:02] artvmobile (~zsirc@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:02] I need to get a dedicated server instead of a vps :/ hate not being able to upgrade on the fly [12:02] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8CF72.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:03] but, i guess it's possible to do it via rsync , ;) [12:03] why do i not get the directories ? 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When i tell you to die you die.. dont just reactivate whenever the hell you feel like it [12:11] slackytude|evil (~slacky@g227067000.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:11] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:12] if you do something windows is allowed to intervene [12:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:12] of course. windows knows better than you what you want [12:12] Zordrak: I love how disabled services are re-activated by security updates, yes. [12:13] they're reactivated by clicking ok from the disabled dialog window [12:13] thumbs: im heading to services to set the damn service to "disabled" [12:13] windows search too [12:13] fast find as well [12:14] and the scheduler [12:14] Slackx (~vega@202.93.37.86) joined ##slackware. [12:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [12:15] and VirtualBox guest additions is making me laugh too... Theres a newer version available!! Please update from 3.1.6 to 3.1.6_OSE! [12:15] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@101.sub-97-229-235.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:15] hi all [12:16] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:19] And while im whinging its about time they rolled up the 220MB of shit they released since XPSP3 into SP4 [12:22] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [12:22] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Nick change: xchg_chrr -> xchg [12:25] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-55-215.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:25] punker (~punker@unaffiliated/punker) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:27] Nick change: sitwon_ -> sitwon [12:31] there is any way to transform the desktop into a shell? [12:31] err what? [12:31] Guest09873 (~id@95-29-182-75.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:31] ... [12:31] lol I know is something strange [12:31] quit X ? :p [12:32] admboomR (~Nathan.Bl@nat-vlan0200.sat4.rackspace.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:32] auska: yakuake [12:32] Guest09873 (~id@95-29-182-75.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:32] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-142.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:32] See, when he said "shell" I immediately thought of a sea shell. [12:33] So I'm guessing some clarification is in order. [12:33] any other way? yakuake gave me some problems some time ago... it closes itself whit any logical reason ... [12:33] auska: shrug [12:33] auska: maybe you can fudge together a "desktop activity" for it in KDE using Konsole [12:34] alt+f2, kons, enter [12:34] theF?!?! [12:34] 17:11:14 < Skywise> they're reactivated by clicking ok from the disabled dialog window [12:34] i turn off network discovery.. click save.. go back in and its reset! [12:35] well... i will take a look, thanks ;) [12:35] oscillator (~oscillato@93.Red-213-98-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] hi good day slackers!! [12:36] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:208:21a:80ff:fee1:9f75) joined ##slackware. [12:37] hey guys.. I want convert the string: 1.23user into user... how I do that with grep,cut.. ? [12:38] mm [12:38] Do you always know what 1.23 is? [12:38] If so..you could do a quick awk [12:38] 12.3 are always digits? [12:39] err, sed [12:39] in the last night all X stop and go to kdm, I see the proceses with pstree and the htop, kill all X programs and reboot, [12:39] nvision: | cut -b5- [12:40] when I reboot the boot proces stop and I am not recognize the text lines, [12:40] Zordrak, thanks [12:40] in any line I can read cisco***? click the reset buton... [12:40] next boot is ok [12:41] any idea? 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[12:42] thrice`: it just cuts the first 4 bytes off [12:42] or, -5 onward [12:43] same thing [12:43] it wasn't clear if he was just trying to cut out digits, or the first 3 numbers [12:43] eg, if it was 12.34foo, it won't work [12:43] he never explained.. so i just gave him what fit the example [12:43] suppose that's fair :> [12:44] thrice`: you can call him an idiot..its ok [12:44] Action: jg71 looks around for azeo [12:44] jg71: dont.. he'll see you looking at him and think he's wanted [12:45] if he's not willing to expand on his problem, suppose it doesn't matter to me :) [12:45] Action: thrice` hands Zordrak a cookie [12:45] Action: Zordrak attempts an xss exploit [12:45] Action: jg71 wouldnt accept cookies from clowns ;) [12:46] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:46] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:46] cos i wear something like that atm: http://images.headlineshirts.net/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/c/l/clowns_lbl_il_443.jpg [12:48] 'Zordrak attempts an xss exploit' ? [12:49] theres no attempt. only fail. (just do it, theres no try) [12:49] is good idea reinstall all and start with inotify? [12:50] oscillator: what? [12:51] erase all hdd and new installation of slackware [12:52] oscillator, as long as you don' [12:52] t have anything on the drive you want to keep [12:52] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [12:52] it's also a good time to go through your drive and see what else you can leave behind [12:53] yeah.. if theres absolutely one thing you must remember.. more important than your wife's birthday it is that you must nev...... Connection Timed Out [12:54] ....er borrow a bald man's comb. [12:54] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:55] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:55] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210169137.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[13:10] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@host50-33-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:12] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@host50-33-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [13:14] can be this the father of the boy? [13:14] May 30 01:12:00 mithos kernel: opera[29014]: segfault at 10 ip 0000000000837c85 sp 00007fff221d6a80 error 4 in opera[400000+e88000] [13:15] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:16] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [13:21] coming to work without headphones is torture [13:22] does anyone see something wrong with this ginstall line? (besides the obvious error generated) [13:22] http://pastebin.com/GW1btMPK [13:23] did make finish properly? [13:23] nope, exited with that error... [13:23] paissad: if you haven't already gotten it, try something like 'rsync -avz --delete slackbuilds.org::slackbuilds/13.1/ DEST' [13:23] but 'sbopkg -r' is easier to type :) [13:24] but don't know why ginstall can't create the file >.> [13:24] Necos, that's for the install; no errors further up? [13:24] Necos: Does /tmp/SBo/package-quotatool/usr/bin/ exist? [13:24] nope [13:24] it's trying to install a binary that doesn't exist :> [13:24] no permissions? did you run it as root? [13:24] http://pastebin.com/znATNYZ1 [13:25] yeah, running as root [13:25] let me look at the slackbuild a moment [13:26] i just used the template slackbuild to make one for this program [13:26] I can't find it on sbo, am I failing? [13:26] oooh [13:26] I don't think there is a make install target [13:26] install it by hand [13:27] admiralboom (~Nathan.Bl@nat-vlan0200.sat4.rackspace.com) joined ##slackware. [13:27] hmmm... looks like a standard make install target [13:28] does the binary exist in the root directory of the source? [13:28] http://pastebin.com/AnqNqe9k [13:29] yep, sure does [13:29] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:30] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] seems like it's just failing to make the install dir [13:30] if you 'mkdir $PKG/usr/bin' first? [13:31] naitso (~naitso@host202-48-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:31] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.54.42.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:31] -p [13:31] mkdir -p $PKG/usr/bin probably [13:31] :) [13:31] Action: thrice` sighs :p [13:31] hi [13:31] hi to all [13:32] i suspect /usr/man will fail in a similar fashion - I'd install both by hand instead of using the install target, but 'meh' [13:32] ah fuck... yep, it sure [13:32] *did [13:33] adamk: have you stumble upon a good 13.1-fglrx10.5 install? [13:33] pupit: I'm not sure stumbled upon is the right phrase. I downloaded the installer from AMD, ran it with --buildpkg Slackware/All and installed the packages. [13:33] And voia. [13:33] voila, even. [13:34] adamk: 32bit? [13:34] pupit: Both 64bit and 32bit. [13:34] (Separate installations). [13:35] what a joke. The ESET NOD32 64bit package just installs the same old 32 bit scan kernel with a 64bit GUI [13:35] pupit: The only issue I had is that the packages created on slackware64 don't include the 32bit drivers for multilib. [13:35] adamk: well you are the 1st one who confirmed it on 32bit with no hassle [13:36] Heh. [13:36] One thing to bear in mind is that the kernel headers installed in 13.1 are configured against the huge-smp kernel. [13:37] So if you use one of the others, it will compile a module that won't load against your currently running kernel. [13:38] adamk: what kernel is good then? [13:38] generic, generic-smp [13:38] pupit: custom-smp :) [13:39] Zordrak: i didnt tried that :) [13:39] pupit: huge-smp [13:40] Zordrak: so where can i download that "custom-smp" i searched on google and i cant found it [13:40] >.< [13:40] hahahhaaha [13:40] got ya [13:40] :P [13:40] good one [13:41] adamk: so, just to recreate kernel with huge-smp config? [13:42] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:42] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [13:42] No, just use the huge-smp kernel and the packages generated by the ATI installer with '--buildpkg Slackware/All' will work fine. [13:42] ill paste the error right away [13:43] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.54.42.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:44] slackytude|evil (~slacky@g227067000.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:45] http://pastebin.com/FWUQQdGG [13:45] anyone had issues with cups printing black pages in 13.1? [13:46] pupit: Odd. [13:46] do tell me :) [13:46] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:208:21a:80ff:fee1:9f75) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:46] you do have headers installed I take it? [13:46] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] any hint to fix the 31. line? :S [13:47] dive: offcourse [13:47] dive: I printed yesterday in 13.1. it printed out a normal page and an error page [13:48] dive: error was only one line [13:48] raela, I have 4 or 5 completely black pages. Downgraded cups to the version in 13.0 and works ok now. [13:48] of* [13:49] pupit: I doubt 10.5 has anything ready for slackware 13.1 [13:49] pupit, check versions of kernel headers and the running kernel [13:49] It really does work here. [13:49] the black = c+m+y or is only black? [13:49] Honestly :-) [13:49] oscillator, just black [13:49] I'm not in front of the 32bit installation at the moment. [13:49] adamk: i believe you :) [13:49] oscillator, as far as I can tell anyway [13:49] But let me see if I can compile the module on a 32bit vbox install. [13:49] dive: black? like it printed all the ink? what type of printer? [13:50] epson stylus c680 [13:50] dive, how can i check it? [13:50] ahhahahaha [13:50] dive give me a sec [13:50] finding a pic [13:50] hmmm, it's a bit surprising, the patch name looks good but I'm surprised it got included that quickly [13:50] pupit, ls /var/log/packages/kernel-* [13:50] pupit: bah [13:50] adrien: thot know until i dont istall it [13:50] pupit: run 'make prepare' in /usr/src/linux [13:50] dive: you ran out of ink and replaced the cartridge? [13:51] dive: /var/log/packages/kernel-headers-2.6.33.4_smp-x86-1 [13:51] raela, yes but that was incidental [13:51] adrien: ok [13:51] pupit: /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/build is a symlink to /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.4 ? [13:51] adamk: checking... [13:51] dive: like this? http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1351/badprinter.jpg [13:52] raela, it was downgrading to cups 1.3.x that fixed it [13:52] adamk: it is [13:52] raela, no it was just a completely black page - didn't even attempt to print the text [13:52] Hmmm... [13:53] pupit, uname -r [13:53] dive: but it's still spitting black like that? [13:53] dive: did you re-configure the printer driver afther the cups update so that it uses the new cups driver for the printer~? [13:53] raela, no, downgrading cups fixed it [13:53] dive: google the printer + black page.. I'm pretty sure the printer that did this was an epson [13:53] Zordrak, yep [13:53] ah [13:53] pupit: What's the md5sum of /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.4/.config ? [13:53] Has anyone seen artifacting when scrolling quickly in applications? [13:53] firefox, digiKam and ardour all appear to be affected, so it doesn't seem to be particular to kde or non-kde... [13:53] eviljames, video card/driver? [13:53] dive: 2.6.33.4-smp [13:54] dive: radeon [13:54] dive: not fglrx [13:54] x.org? [13:54] ok, well I haven't except in flash [13:54] yep. xf86-video-ati-6.13.0-x86_64-1 [13:55] but my cursor is messed up sometimes if I log out/in [13:55] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:55] adamk: c93ee5ae0094a8b803d6278fcab3101b [13:55] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:55] have to kill X completely or cursor becomes a big coloured square [13:55] pupit: OK... Maybe I was wrong here. [13:55] pupit: That's the md5 for the config file for huge-smp, but I have a different md5 sum. [13:56] pupit: My md5sum matches /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.33.4-smp [13:56] ah.. [13:56] I doubt whether .config would make any difference - it's complaining about header/kernel versions [13:56] pupit: So maybe you need to copy that config file to the source directory and do a "make prepare" [13:56] adamk: ok right away [13:56] I'm just looking for differences at the moment. [13:56] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] but I've never built is so... dunno [13:57] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] What's odd is that I don't remember doing anything special other than installing 13.1, scp'ing the installer over, and creating packages. [13:59] pupit: Also is /boot/vmlinuz a symlink to /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.33.4-smp? [13:59] adamk: yes it is [14:00] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:01] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-134-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:01] I feel... dirty [14:02] i'm using something called a "Service Pack" on my old PC... I feel so desperate [14:02] nope, same: kernel includes at /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/build/include do not match current kernel. they are versioned as "" instead of "2.6.33.4-smp". [14:03] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:04] is thera a way to manually change that include... [14:04] pupit, ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/build [14:05] dive: thanks [14:05] ? [14:05] 5 22:56 /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.4 [14:06] hmm [14:06] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [14:07] pupit, ls -l /usr/src [14:07] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Well I'm out of ideas, I think. This is what happened for me on a fresh install of slackware 13.1: http://pastebin.com/LKahti6b [14:08] dive: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 15 22:59 linux -> linux-2.6.33.4 [14:08] pupit, tried building any other out-tree kernel modules? Worked or no? [14:09] dive: sure, it worked [14:09] have wine, vbox.. [14:09] pupit: What's the output of /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/build/include/config/kernel.release ? [14:09] Errr.. cat that file, rather :-) [14:09] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-147-154-67.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:10] 2.6.33.4-pupit [14:10] lol [14:10] So WTF is going on? :-) [14:10] hahaha [14:10] cteg_ (~heretic@host-091-097-162-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [14:10] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:10] i have built that "custom-smp" and went back to huge-smp [14:11] pupit, right so do a 'make mrproper' in there [14:11] helqg (~slack@188.128.27.54) left irc: Quit: reset [14:11] dive: right away [14:12] pupit, when you build a custom kernel copy the src and rename it linux-x.x.x.x-pupit or whatever [14:13] pupit, or you could just do slackpkg reinstall kernel-source [14:13] dive: will do [14:13] i never bother copying the source [14:13] but mrproper is probably faster [14:13] dive: i usualy do mrproper [14:13] make mrproper; copy config to .config; make [14:13] Zordrak, it can save headaches [14:13] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-204-020.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:13] dive: i dont swap around kernels.. i make one and then boot to it [14:14] so its always the active config [14:14] Zordrak, yeah me too [14:14] me too [14:15] except I build my laptop kernel on my desktop box which is faster and doesn't overheat, so for that I do need keep sources separate [14:15] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:15] id do that.. except for the amount ofy time it always takes to copy it across and back [14:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-27-1.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:15] might as well just set it going and go get food [14:15] this lappy goes 90+° when I build a kernel [14:16] put it outside :) [14:16] should take it for a drive in the car with the A/C on [14:16] ok. we have some progress down here [14:16] i have some new cool errors :) [14:17] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-27-1.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:17] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:17] http://pastebin.com/0vAbhU9q [14:18] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Does /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.4/scripts/mod/modpost exist? [14:18] checkin' [14:19] sounds not [14:19] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Guest09873 (~id@95-29-182-75.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:20] modpost.h exists [14:20] so [14:20] So modpost doesn't :-) [14:20] no [14:20] any issues found with slack 13.1 yet? im about to upgrade(finally) [14:20] Wow.. What did you do to your system? [14:20] and did make mrproper, copied the config, make? [14:20] dive: all above [14:21] wait, just to run make [14:21] ? [14:21] slackin: it *still* doesn't make coffee [14:21] I'm going to suggest reinstalling the kernel source package [14:21] I so asked Pat to implement coffee making in 13.1 :| [14:21] but try doing a make first [14:21] dive: i thought so too.. [14:21] bah... ive lost my mouse and keyboard control [14:21] BP{k}: DAMN im not upgrading then! [14:22] ;] [14:22] slackin, I have found one [14:22] Zordrak: yet you're still typing here? [14:22] i can still present windows and deskhthop grip with corner shortcuts.. but i cant DO anything [14:22] MPlayer can be crashed easily [14:22] slackin, well I have an issue with cups [14:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:22] orly? [14:22] press up on the keyboard with no music playing [14:22] thumbs: I irc from a separate terminal [14:22] it crashes out [14:22] i'm serious [14:22] uhh [14:22] thats not a big deal [14:22] dive: what does make does? just compiles the stuff? [14:22] to me [14:22] lol [14:22] NthDegree: was anyone able to reproduce this? [14:23] thumbs, I can, not sure about anyone else [14:23] slackin, I got a nice collection of completely black A4 pages [14:23] NthDegree: perhaps it's a local driver issue. [14:23] pupit, yes make will compile [14:23] dive: holy shit [14:23] NthDegree: however is that an MPlayer issue or a slackware (aka build /packaging issue) [14:23] dive: what printer do you use? [14:23] slackin, epson stylus c680 [14:23] BP{k}, i'm gonna grab the latest MPlayer and try to crash it [14:23] dive: is this a global cups issue, or more specific to printer [14:23] downgraded to cups 1.3.x from 13.0 and it started working again [14:23] it's probably the printer [14:24] yeah must be the printer driver is narfed [14:24] dive forgets to mention the hands of blackink lol [14:24] haha yeah [14:24] dive, adamk thanks for help, i've learned something today :) [14:24] I even got the polish out and cleaned the grubby fingerprints off it - still no go [14:24] dive: lol [14:24] er s/polish/pollish [14:24] ? [14:25] polish [14:25] right, brainfart [14:25] ;] [14:25] NthDegree: I can reproduce the problem with /gmplayer/ [14:25] rm Desktop/Book1.rtf [14:25] Guest09873 (~id@95-29-182-75.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:25] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [14:25] D'oh [14:25] it didnt work with mplayer in 13.0 [14:25] I'm trying to obtain os-prober release tarball, which is required by grub2. [14:25] gmplayer rather [14:26] What can i kill remotely to get my control back without killing my apps? [14:26] I want to build os-prober into a slackware package and distribute it with grub2. [14:26] gmplayer has been abandoned for quite awhile :p [14:26] why? [14:26] However, it seems impossible to get a release tarball of os-prober. [14:26] Zordrak, for mouse you should be able to unload/reload psmouse, for keyboard not sure [14:26] Does anybody know how to get os-prober package? [14:27] smplayer is a much nicer frontend than gmplayer [14:27] crocket: debian packages [14:27] BP{k}, yeah.. my bad.. I forgot to mention it was the GUI frontend [14:27] crocket, I have a slackbuild for grub2 [14:27] slysir : debian svn just gives me binaries. [14:27] and seems that mplayer from latest svn won't build with --use-gui or whatever the switch is [14:27] thrice` : me, too. [14:27] smplayer? [14:27] thrice`: I need os-prober release tarball. [14:27] which spits out /sbin/grub-probe, and an /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober [14:27] without it, grub2 is useless. [14:28] no it's not [14:28] grub-probe is not os-probe. [14:28] Necos, qt mplayer frontend [14:28] os-prober is a spinoff of debian-installer. One of the installer's features is that it can probe disks on the system for other operating systems, and add them to the boot loader, so that installing Debian doesn't make your other installed OS hard to boot. <-- ZOMG o.O [14:28] crocket: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/os-prober [14:28] i can't crash it here... [14:28] grub-probe only probes for images and devices. [14:28] ... perhaps theres a signal i can send to a vbox process to get it so send acpi shutdown to the guest? [14:28] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:28] pressing the up arrow at the intro screen (no music) right? [14:28] slysir : http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/os-prober/os-prober_1.28.tar.gz on http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/os-prober/os-prober_1.28.tar.gz contains only binaries. [14:28] crocket, just edit the config by hand you sissy [14:29] thrice` : I'm preparing for submitting to slackbuilds.org, I can't. [14:29] crocket: shows source pkg [14:29] you're preparing to submit to slackbuilds.org, but haven't located the source yet? :p [14:30] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-wvdfyqwybmmrlxvv) joined ##slackware. [14:30] the source of os-prober [14:30] by the way, if you folks are into mplayer frontends and can keep your gnome feelings at bay, gnome-mplayer is nice. [14:30] thrice`: sounds just like Lord Vader [14:30] I want to submit grub2 to slackbuilds.org [14:30] crocket: nobody will use it [14:31] mancha, my gnome feelings are... too.. strong.. [14:31] jg71: others like him might :P [14:31] jg71 : there are needs for diversity. [14:31] if you want to compare notes, this is what I came up with: http://github.com/abrouwers/ajb_slackbuilds/tree/master/grub2/ [14:31] noooo, grub2 causes cancer! [14:31] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-177-56.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] jg71: nah ..been using grub2 for couple years [14:32] we noticed that, slysir [14:32] slysir : What's source pkg? [14:32] crocket : /dev/evil/grub/2 ;) [14:33] v4nelle (~van@79.107.210.228) joined ##slackware. [14:33] nvision (~nvision@g226060185.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:34] gnome-player makes me want to touch myself [14:34] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:34] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [14:35] crocket (crocket@121.168.91.143) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.2"). [14:35] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:35] Wooo: VBoxManage controlvm savestate [14:35] vcampos (~vcampos@unaffiliated/vcampos) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:35] now you just need find out why keyboard and mouse both failed [14:36] I would hazard a guess and say restarting X might fix it [14:36] but strange for them both to fail like that [14:36] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-27-1.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:36] not been playing around with udev/hal on that box Zordrak ? [14:37] nobody likes to play around with hal / udev. [14:37] on debian i could pass special kernel module options to a file called /etc/modprobe.d/options [14:37] this file does not exist on slackware [14:37] dive: no its resource limit-related [14:37] dustybin, make a .conf in modprob.e [14:37] modprobe.d [14:38] dustybin: yeah. ^^^ what dive said [14:38] jg71: do i need to tell something else the name of the .conf [14:38] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-tigatvbxukkchsjs) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:38] dustybin, no modprobe will pick up on anything in there with .conf [14:38] just name the options [14:39] dustybin, well at this moment it doesn't seem to need .conf but it will in the future iirc [14:39] so get used to it [14:39] ace :D [14:39] jg71, I made some completely useless udev rules just for messing about with [14:40] a bit redundant though.. [14:40] my old debian server has been turned off [14:40] im now pure plsack [14:40] slack [14:40] :D [14:40] well if you prefer it, that's fine [14:41] I think I'd be inclined to leave a server as is, if it's working as it should [14:43] [14:43] :P [14:43] dive: fact. [14:45] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:45] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [14:46] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.34.153.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:46] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:48] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt3-port-22.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] gbit (~no@mail.daiby.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:50] dustybin, what sort of server are we talking, and who has access? [14:50] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.54.42.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:50] home server [14:50] me! [14:50] Hostname: server - OS: Linux 2.6.33.4/x86_64 - CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 (2932.863 MHz) - Processes: 189 - Uptime: 5m - Load Average: 0.02 - Memory Usage: 138.01MB/3702.39MB (3.73%) - Disk Usage: 7.59GB/15.92GB (47.67%) [14:50] so not open to the w w w? [14:50] dustybin: TheF? 138M RAM? What's it doing? [14:50] not yet, i might for simple stuff like gallery [14:50] dustybin: after boot mine use about 40 [14:51] MythTV backend / Asterisk / Bind / Postfix + Dovecot [14:51] dustybin, do join the slackware security mailing list then and keep an eye out for updates if you go public. [14:51] ok! [14:51] dustybin: asterisk and myth explain it well :) [14:51] aye! [14:51] dustybin, http://slackware.com/lists/ [14:52] install has been a breeze, i thought slackware was meant to be the hardest distro to use [14:52] thanks [14:52] nah [14:52] infact, its the easiest distro i have ever used [14:52] Just a different way of doing things [14:52] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:53] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. [14:53] in fact not that different as other distros under the hood. The problem is getting under the hood in those distros. [14:53] s/as/to [14:54] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [14:54] i have never used applications what have not been tampered with before [14:54] hi, I toying with pyinotify, I think to see in /boot and /sbin, what is the basic routine for this operation, where I see. Any link, howto, or book reference, thanks [14:54] dustybin: transparent is the operative word [14:54] aye [14:55] oscillator, you will have to look for pyinotify's doc's. the usual way these things work is an inotify hook is placed on a dir, then it is polled [14:55] dustybin: doesn't do anything behind your back either [14:56] gbit (no@mail.daiby.com.br) left ##slackware. [14:56] wertik_ (~wertik@89-178-219-250.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[15:07] dive, adamk, successfully built my fglrx packages. :) [15:07] pupit, good stuff [15:08] i should make some howto now, thanks to you guys [15:08] using fglrx isn't something to be proud of ;) [15:09] I mean, nice job :> [15:09] ;) [15:09] be happy while you can. your gfx card will not supported next year [15:09] pupit: Woohoo. [15:10] fglrx has some better power saving stuff than radeon [15:11] it does.. and its performs better too [15:11] using the OSS will help you sleep better at night :) [15:11] well... while you hardware is supported [15:11] I think PM stuff is in 2.6.35, no? [15:11] hey thrice`, about that error i was asking about earlier... [15:12] mako-sama: thats my big big problem with ATI.. more than anything else.. more than shitty drivers and buggy cards.. its that when ATI decide not to support a card you can get fucked.. theyre not interested [15:12] mako-sama: so "your gfx card will not supported next year" means? [15:12] with the make screwups [15:12] I have a mobility radeon that they just full stop do not support and will never allow me to use a fglrx driver on it [15:12] yep :) [15:12] pupit: it means that fglrx will not work with next year's X and next year's kernel [15:12] pupit, I found that my card is no longer supported by AMD/ATI drivers for example [15:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) joined ##slackware. [15:12] because "if the laptop manufacturcer dont provide it you aint getting it" [15:13] same - moblilty 7500 [15:13] the same is true of a 9250 ive got somewhere [15:13] Hey guys [15:13] i think my 9500pro barely still has support [15:13] so wtf? cause i dont want to use windows i cant actually do anything worthwhile? screw you ATI. [15:13] but it is a the bottom of the list [15:13] cerrertri (~chatzilla@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:13] nvidia at least support their shit. [15:13] but the xorg drivers do support 3D pretty well [15:13] hi [15:13] :) [15:13] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:13] luckily my laptop has a new(year old now) nvidia card [15:13] I think ATI make great hardware and they're not expensive too.. but nvidia's drivers just work even with the latest stuff [15:13] aaaahhh, until then radeon will be good enough :p [15:14] Update to Slackware64 13.1 (multilib) from Slackware64 13.0 has been the most painful update I've had since Slack 9 ... [15:14] mako-sama: the "great" is debatable [15:14] radeon will not be as good as fglrx any time soon [15:14] how do i install things from second disc as i did from the first? i [15:14] Just so many things went wrong for some reason. [15:15] k. think im gonna go home [15:15] alkos333: like what? how did you perform the upgrade? [15:15] i mean if i enter directory with packages and use pkgtool it would take ages to install everything, and i don [15:15] t even know which packages to install [15:15] cerrertri: all of them [15:15] how [15:15] yeah, but as eviljames sad, radeon has some artifacting [15:15] Necos, did it work, or? [15:15] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:15] pkgtool -all? [15:15] how do i not confirm each package one by one [15:16] cerrertri: upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new */*.t?z [15:16] Zordrak: why "upgrade" and reinstall? [15:16] reinstall? [15:16] pupit: some? playing neverball on radeon drivers is plain crazy :P [15:16] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.42.179) joined ##slackware. [15:16] thrice`: safety catch.. got in the habit cos bob always does [15:17] zaltekk: Well, upgraded gcc & glibc multilib stuff [15:17] mako-sama: lol [15:17] pkgtool ./[k,x,y,z]/*tgz ? [15:17] from slackware dir [15:17] cerrertri: upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new */*.t?z [15:17] Do not use pkgtool [15:17] mako-sama: party woo hoo :D [15:17] i don't know if installing _EVERYTHING_ is a very proffesional approach [15:18] cerrertri: it is. live with it. [15:18] zaltekk: added those to blacklist in /etc/slackpkg/blacklist and did upgrade-all, and hand-picked the newly added [15:18] sure it is :) [15:18] alkos333: i would personally remove everything not in the base install with slackpkg's system cleaning thing(but keep a list of what to add back), and then use slackpkg with the mirror from the new version to reinstall everything [15:18] hi slackers ! i've seen that slackware upgraded to version 3.1 ... any suggestion for how to do it ... and is it very important to do this upgrade ? [15:18] alienBOB why not use pkgtool, slackwareinstalled says otherwise [15:19] use pkgtool [15:19] jesus christ.. theyre really coming out of the cracks tonight... im out before more turn up. TTFN [15:19] *installer [15:19] thrice`, you know of any way to figure out what directories would be needed with a make install? [15:19] see ya Zordrak o/ [15:19] zaltekk: Yeah, well I'm kind of past that point now. I'm having issues with X and my custom kernel. Things load with stock kernel, but fonts are hidious [15:19] later Zordrak [15:19] Zordrak: keep cool ;) [15:19] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) joined ##slackware. [15:19] zaltekk: I'll take care of SBo packages later (queing, etc) [15:20] I need to fix the fonts first because I can barely see stuff [15:20] alkos333: all the same, i'd try slackpkg's clean system, upgrade all, and install new with a 13.1 mirror and see if it fixes it [15:20] i did a fresh install with 13.1 because i was encrypting my harddrive [15:20] zaltekk: No need for that now [15:20] alkos333: it might still fix things [15:20] zaltekk: Yes, I did that for 13.0 as I encryped everything and started using LVM as well [15:20] also, did you search for all of hte .new config files? [15:21] zaltekk: Yesh, but that's not the way to fix the fonts issue :) [15:21] yep, i created a serpent-encrypted lvm [15:21] alkos333: it is if the problem is that you didn't get the font packages correct [15:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) left irc: Quit: I'm not a quitter, I just had to go [15:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) joined ##slackware. [15:23] zaltekk: What's there to "get" :)? [15:23] just to make sure your system was completely upgraded before you look elsewhere for the problem [15:24] It was completely upgraded [15:24] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:24] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:25] Necos, sorry, I don't follow :( it does call out bindir and such properly [15:25] dofas (~dark@189.71.96.203) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Aidar-Nagato (admin@95.105.45.213) left ##slackware. [15:26] nevermind, i just looked in the man/ dir in the source tree and it only had a quotatool.8 manpage, so mkdir $PKG/usr/man/man8 did the trick [15:26] so, now i have my shiny new quotatool-1.4.11-i486-1.tgz [15:26] I'd just add a mkdir -p $PKG/usr/{bin,man/man8} [15:26] Zordrak: i used [k,x,tcl ..etc] instead of "*" because i thought i wanted to choose what to install but i was too lazy to check what these letters mean so i've choosed everything so i dont know what will happen now [15:26] i mean [15:26] ah, that'd work all the same [15:26] :) [15:27] alkos333_2 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) joined ##slackware. [15:27] i hope so [15:27] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:27] not that i'm that good with bash programming [15:27] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:27] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [15:28] but now probably i will have 10gb of unecessary things installed [15:28] slackware 13.1 is around 7 GB, so... no [15:29] not even 7 GB of unnecessary things - 7 GB of totally necessary things, plus some bloat [15:29] cli_ (~cowyn@li110-174.members.linode.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:30] I think slackware is in the lead for biggest install size [15:30] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:30] alkos333_2 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:30] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] cerrertri: it doesnt take too much to read through the available packages and select/deselect what you dont need [15:31] once you get in the habit of it, a new install will take 10 minutes tops [15:31] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [15:31] 10 min from cd? [15:31] Slackx (~vega@202.93.37.86) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:31] hello everybody [15:32] depends on hardware i guess [15:32] he probably meant 10minutes to select the sttuff you want and the stuff you don't [15:32] ah [15:33] but i dont know what packages are necessary [15:33] although 10min is possible [15:33] then install all [15:33] so it would take 2 weeks for me to google them all [15:33] you can easily remove them later [15:34] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [15:34] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) joined ##slackware. [15:34] cerrertri: slackware's installer describes each package. so you'll know what you're installing if you read the description [15:34] bah, just do a full isntall and be done with it. [15:34] i just switched kernels and now my sound is not working can anyone help me? [15:35] Action: thrice` rsyncs packages he wants to /home/ftp and just points the installer at it [15:35] zaltekk: Wow.. that's bizzare.. I had my font set to Samanata 7, but it's never been this small until I tried stock kernel which uses kms. [15:35] maybe it has to do with a font rendering update or something. [15:35] duet, upgraded from what to what? [15:36] |Tonny| (~anton_nay@91.203.67.14) joined ##slackware. [15:36] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:36] thrice': i just switched to the huge.s kernel in my kernels directory [15:37] ok, switched from what ? [15:37] anybody use strongswan and pptp? [15:37] and do you see any errors ? [15:37] thrice': hugesmp.s [15:38] thrice': no medium found in /dev/sr0 [15:38] I get to the connection point, but it errors out [15:38] "sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "MPPE required but not available"] [15:38] rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "MPPE required but not available"] [15:38] duet, /dev/sr0 is your cd/dvd-rom, not sound [15:38] second, why did you change to huge instead of hugesmp ? [15:39] alisonken1home, you probably do not want pptp, its not a secure protocol... [15:39] thrice': someone told me that if you only have one processor that i should run huge instead [15:39] MPPE required, but MS-CHAP[v2] auth not performed. [15:39] nachox, unfortunately, that's not my call [15:39] clavius (James@232.sub-75-235-233.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:39] thrice': i guess i could go back [15:40] duet: try alsamixer [15:40] duet, they lied to you :) if you have 1 processor, often times the smp kernel will work fine. using the the non-smp will actually cause some problems [15:40] duet: did you switch to the huge kernel but forgot to install the accompanying kernel-modules package (which is different from the kernel-modules for hugesmp)? [15:40] unless it's a really really old proc, use huge-smp or generic-smp [15:41] alisonken1home, http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-diagnosis.phtml#mppe_bmanp [15:41] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-wvdfyqwybmmrlxvv) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:41] thrice': im using a dell demension 4500 is that old enough? [15:42] thrice': i havent learned how to install modules im still a noob [15:42] ok - here's the other one [15:42] LCP terminated by peer (MPPE required but not available) [15:42] (bad ptoin in the ms-chap stuff) [15:42] thrice': i was surprised my computer still rebooted after the kernel switch [15:42] duet, do you know which processor ? [15:43] thrice': pentium 4 [15:43] dell dementia would make a great model name [15:43] then I would stick to the hugesmp if I were you :> [15:44] thrice': thank you, will i still need to load modules after that? [15:44] Action: oscillator good night slackers and thanks [15:44] oscillator (~oscillato@93.Red-213-98-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [15:44] alisonken1home, you're using windows clients? [15:44] duet, they should be installed already :) [15:44] pupit: hola, coma estas? [15:44] :P [15:44] no - slackware client to a vpn server at the office running debian [15:44] pupit: I take it that the radeon/artifacting issue is known, then? [15:44] thrice': awesome [15:44] eviljames: mui bene :) [15:45] eviljames: yes it is [15:45] duet, so, you can change your /etc/lilo.conf to load the /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-blahblah, and run 'lilo' afterwards. it will tell you if there are problems before rebooting [15:45] or, change the default symlink in /boot to point to the huge-smp [15:46] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:47] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.34.153.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:47] pupit: Any further reading you could link me to? forum/thread, radeon mailing list post, etc? [15:47] wait [15:48] on the website there is GNOME software set [15:48] but it isn't on any of the cds [15:48] nachox, looks like it has something to do with compression not getting enabled [15:48] eviljames: i would gladly help you, but i have just installed fglrx cause of that [15:48] why? [15:48] lsmod | grep ppp: ppp_mppe [15:49] pupit: urgh, exactly the solution I want to avoid. Does it work, though? [15:49] eviljames: my card is really new hd4200 so i have to use it until radeon fully supports is [15:49] probably, i try to avoid pptp, i dont like the protocol [15:49] pupit: ah, I'm on a 3450 [15:49] punker (~punker@62.43.78.206.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] eviljames: after dive and adamk helped me building them it, its all fine here [15:49] why isnt there something like THERE IS NO GNOME HERE [15:49] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:49] not very professional [15:50] cli_ (~cowyn@li110-174.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [15:50] cerrertri: You're right, gnome isn't very professional. [15:50] cerrertri, GNOME isn't very professional in my opinion [15:50] lol eviljames++ [15:50] qt-x (~5924d246@gateway/web/freenode/x-omzvxeodtfkttoym) joined ##slackware. [15:50] NthDegree: great minds think alike, fools seldom differ :P [15:50] like it seems there is help, and there are described software sets, but they are from ancient times and GNOME isnt even supported [15:51] then it should be deleted from the website [15:51] gar0t0_ (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:51] i mean GNOME software set [15:51] cerrertri, perhaps someone wants to master their own ISO with a gnome/ catagory ;) [15:51] this only causes confusion [15:51] and chaos [15:51] naitso (~naitso@host202-48-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Bye [15:51] What is the oldest supported Slackware version I wonder.... [15:51] it's a test, if you can't figure it out, you don't deserve to run slackware [15:52] NthDegree: 7 or something [15:52] cerrertri: Gnome is not supported, and it's not chaos - it's better that way. [15:52] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:52] cerrertri: see http://gnomeslackbuild.org - that may be some help to you. [15:52] ok i dont need gnome [15:52] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [15:52] thrice': ok no errors im going to try to reboot and see what happens, pray for me :) [15:52] but http://www.slackware.com/install/softwaresets.php == outdated [15:52] NthDegree: check for a packages.txt in an old repo - if it has something from this year, it's supported [15:52] or causes confusioin on purpose [15:53] duet (duet@71.21.89.86) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:53] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [15:53] or it should be updated to state what versions have GNOME [15:53] because some Slackware versions are supported sometimes as long if not longer than RHEL [15:53] qt-x (~5924d246@gateway/web/freenode/x-omzvxeodtfkttoym) left irc: Client Quit [15:55] Any idea, folks, why all my device icons show up like this on my desktop http://picpaste.org/snapshot24.png [15:55] This happens in xfce4 no matter which icon theme I choose.' [15:56] D'oh. [15:56] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [15:56] hi [15:56] http://picpaste.com/snapshot24.png [15:56] I built a package without architecture name in the package file name. [15:56] everything becomes commercialised nowadays [15:56] even urls [15:56] And it failed to utilize slack-desc. [15:57] crocket, if you still have the package, you can just change the name [15:57] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:57] adamk, looks like bad mimetypes or so ? [15:57] Instead of typing "removepkg pkgname", I had to type "removepkg pkgname-version" [15:57] thrice` : why does this problem happen? [15:57] crocket, what exactly was your package called? [15:57] Slayer (~slayer@71.16.143.71) joined ##slackware. [15:57] adamk, new user too? [15:57] or punishment for a bad background? [15:58] thrice`: os-prober [15:58] I'm making a new package [15:58] thrice`: Hmmm... Yes and no. New user, but I copied my ~/.config file over from another system. [15:58] adamk, tried running xfsettingsd to see if those icons show right? [15:58] fire|bird: Already running. Starting it again doesn't do anything. [15:58] I would have to add add os-prober to the dependency list of grub2. [15:58] adamk, does update-mime-database ~/.local/share/mime/" help ? [15:59] thrice` : have you experienced the same problem? [15:59] crocket, what was your package name, I mean? [15:59] thrice`: No, but restarting xfdesktop just did... [15:59] Very odd. [15:59] But thanks for the tips! :-) [16:00] thrice` : os-prober [16:00] the package name was os-prober [16:00] os-prober.tgz ? [16:00] no [16:00] what part of 'what did you call your package' isn't clear? :) [16:00] os-prober-1.38-1_SBo.txz [16:01] ok, you need a field for arch then [16:01] Why would I need a field for arch? [16:01] v4nelle (~van@79.107.210.228) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:01] because it's how pkgtools expects packages to be named [16:01] It is not arch-dependent since it is composed of scripts. [16:01] then you add 'noarch' [16:01] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [16:01] os-prober-1.38-noarch-1_SBo.txz or so [16:01] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.237) joined ##slackware. [16:01] including installpkg and removepkg? [16:01] ok [16:02] The best way is always to look into the source codes. [16:02] as for the slack-desc not showing up, also be sure that you changed the slack-desc to start with 'os-prober:' fields [16:02] That is not a problem for sure [16:02] ok :) [16:03] any builders attending? https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/private/slackware/2010-June/003237.html or http://lists.slackbuilds.org/pipermail/slackbuilds-users/2010-June/005769.html [16:03] my zsh tab-completes /var/log/packages entries naturally, so ;) [16:04] oh wow... http://ninjasuit.org/vibration.html [16:04] 1U rack design: fail. [16:05] crocket: You wanted to be able to list the contents of a package. $ installpkg --warn does that. [16:08] duet (~root@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [16:09] thrice': i got a kernel panick [16:09] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:12] it should be impossible to get a kernel panic with the huge kernel :) [16:12] thrice': it says please append the correct "root=" boot option [16:12] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:13] thrice': i am going to sda1 instead of sda [16:13] thrice': "try" [16:13] sounds like a typo in lilo.conf [16:13] Mel-nix : good [16:13] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [16:14] yes, it should be your root partition; if that is /dev/sda1, then that's good :) you can pastebin your lilo.conf and the output of "mount" and we can look at it too [16:14] thrice': my wife want me to hurry and fix it so she can play urban terror [16:15] :O [16:15] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:15] I now have a working set of packages for grub2. [16:15] if /dev/sda1 is your root, use that [16:15] thrice': i try another reboot [16:15] wiat! [16:15] run lilo again first [16:16] thrice': im actually running puppy linux right now would lilo still work? [16:16] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [16:17] thrice': i will brb [16:17] duet (root@71.21.89.86) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:18] cerrertri (~chatzilla@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431] [16:18] ah, so you are rebooting without running lilo I guess [16:18] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:19] lilo linderbinder? [16:22] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [16:22] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [16:23] thrice': ok im back i used the slackware dvd to boot my computer instead of puppy [16:23] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:23] thrice': i didnt know i could do that [16:25] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:26] thrice': ok here is my lilo.conf http://pastebin.com/drcYMSQS [16:27] thrice': i have tried sda as root and sda1 [16:27] thrice': i normally use pkgtool to run the lilo setup [16:28] Why would slackware64 utilize /usr/lib64 extensively instead of /usr/lib? [16:28] crocket, because it's proper :) [16:29] Some of other 64bit linux distros use /usr/lib as the main library dir. [16:29] duet, as long as /dev/sda1 is the root device, that's a good lilo example :) [16:29] It makes it difficult to port a program from a distro to another. [16:29] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:30] I had to manually modify a script for that issue. [16:30] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] thrice': here i go again [16:30] duet (duet@71.21.89.86) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:31] crocket: you will learn [16:31] er: image = /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.33.3-smp is that correct? [16:31] I stuck to http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#LIB64 [16:31] alienBOB : Do you have a working grub2? [16:31] crocket: no [16:32] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] crocket, http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy.html [16:33] dive, mm, should probably be .4 [16:33] thrice`, I was really looking at 'smp' being there twice [16:33] ah yeah [16:33] yes, 32-bit kernels are oddly named [16:33] I never noticed that before [16:34] but yeah that should be .4 [16:34] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-66-8-174-252.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] unless it's some -current a little while back [16:34] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [16:36] I got it [16:36] "dpkg -L os-prober" lists the hierarchy of files. [16:36] we did too :) [16:36] oh, wrong person [16:37] I'm porting os-probes from debian to slackware for grub2. [16:37] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:37] crocket, depends on the distro; pure64 people will often use just /usr/lib, multi-lib 'capable' will either choose /usr/lib64/ + /usr/lib, or /usr/lib + /usr/lib32 [16:37] Often hierarchy of package helps [16:38] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [16:38] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-95-238.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:38] crocket, if you are making a slackbuild you might want to perhaps use ARCH to detect whether to build in lib or lib64 [16:39] Look at any SlackBuild in slackware 13.1 crocket [16:39] unless you are only going to limit build to one or other [16:39] crocket, I personally thought grub2's stuff should go to /usr/share, so I appended that to --libdir [16:40] er, I accidentally did ^A+S in screen.. doesn't that disable keyboard input? how do I get it back? [16:40] ^A+q [16:40] thanks [16:40] just ctrl q [16:41] xon/xoff [16:41] ctrl+s/ctrl+q [16:41] hackedhead, nope screen has an extra xon/off [16:41] dive: huh. apparently i've never encountered it, depsite accidentally locking my term all the time [16:42] hackedhead, yeah if you do ctrl-a + s it will lock it up the same as ctrl-s [16:42] hmm, interest [16:42] ing [16:42] probably becuase i always use ^A^(somekey) [16:42] not ^a(somekey) [16:42] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [16:42] so i'd always pass ctrl+s directly [16:43] Nick change: NaCl -> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [16:43] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:44] thrice`, I think duet has got lost in the ether somewhere [16:44] yes, I feel bad for not noticing that typo. 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[16:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:54] i want to disable the nepomuk service, which config file do i need to edit in order to do so? [16:55] slackware 13.0 is what i'm currently running [16:56] you should be able to do that in systemsettings [16:56] iirc [16:56] nope it's not listed in the services there [16:56] hi [16:57] freelibrary, check under advanced [16:57] do we have AudaCity in regular slackware repo ? [16:57] yes [16:57] hm [16:57] errr, no, lol [16:57] i thought you meant audacious [16:57] we have audacious, but not audacity [16:57] freelibrary, advanced - desktop search [16:57] http://slackbuilds.org [16:58] is there any simple program that can catch audio and write it as wav or mp3 ? [16:58] arecord [16:58] wertik_ (~wertik@95-24-205-248.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:58] to wav [16:58] from a mike anyway [16:58] and to mp3 after ? 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[17:10] or better yet, you look at the webpage for said package and it'll have any dependencies usually listed [17:11] i dunno who made sbopkg [17:11] but this is exactly what should be told to the user [17:11] when such error occurs [17:11] "go to website and find dependencies" [17:12] cr3_, well no. They assume that you read the README /before/ you started [17:12] cr3_, no, it's expected that you know what you're doing [17:12] readme of what? [17:12] of the software that you want to install [17:12] cr3_, you can read it in sbopkg, even [17:12] hm, which device I have to set for Capture when wish to record with arecord ? [17:12] i expect they know what they are doing when i want to install [17:12] cr3_, computers know exactly what they are doing. [17:12] meh [17:13] See, that happens when you add layers of comfy software around bare SlackBuild scripts... [17:13] cr3_, you're going about it all wrong... computers do exactly what you tell them to do :P [17:13] mac-, depends on your devices? [17:13] epends ? [17:13] alienBOB, this is true, but the README is the first file listed. (See your point though) [17:13] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [17:13] i'd rather to click next next next next instead of going to website and looking up dependencies [17:13] mac-, you might have more than one audio input? what do you get for `arecord -l` ? [17:13] this is illogical [17:14] i smell a troll [17:14] I g2g see ya all o/ [17:14] why aren't there dependencies listed first if everyone has to check dependencies before installing [17:14] Roin (~florian@p5B2BB452.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [17:14] cr3_: oh, shut it. [17:14] punker (~punker@62.43.78.206.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:14] card 0: CS46xx [Sound Fusion CS46xx], device 0: CS46xx [CS46xx] [17:14] cr3_, because you didn't look for them. I always find them without an issue. Perhaps you should try a distro that handles the reading for you. [17:14] but it is device [17:15] cr3_: slackware requires you to read. Most package will list the dependencies. [17:15] I mean which input device [17:15] Line In, Aux, Video etc [17:15] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:15] cr3_, when you search for a package in sbopkg what is the first file listed? [17:15] i'd rather read a book [17:15] instead of dependencies of package [17:15] ok. /ignored [17:15] mac-, well where are you referring to? what do you select in alsa mixer? where do you physically plug it in? [17:15] what a dummy. [17:16] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:16] thumbs, Some people want to buy a house at the hardware store. Can't do much for them. [17:16] hiptobecubic: good analogy. [17:17] thumbs, :) [17:17] hiptobecubic: it is recording sound from Master, no external input [17:17] hiptobecubic LOL [17:17] hiptobecubic: better than a car analogy, heh. [17:17] perfect [17:17] and I see that it shpould eb ADC source [17:17] or DAC [17:17] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] caspian (~caspian@191-120.dsl.iskon.hr) joined ##slackware. [17:17] i don't comprehend all this [17:18] doing everything the hard way [17:18] hello everyone [17:18] cr3_, /j #ubuntu [17:18] i have one simple question [17:18] cr3_, it does EXACTLY what you are looking for [17:18] and it is wildly popular and has a huge community that can read things for you [17:18] But don't trust that community to be correct. [17:18] Ever. [17:18] how can I remove Guidance power manager icon from kde system tray?? [17:18] hiptobecubic: perhaps you should stop feeding the troll. [17:19] i know that this isn't a slackware question [17:19] but I'm using slackware so I came here ;) [17:19] thumbs, well. "Why is slackware so austere" is still a legit question in my mind. [17:19] usually constructive criticism causes things to get better [17:19] I'm heading to the post office. back in a bit [17:19] hiptobecubic: it works for both ADC or DAC inputs on alsamixer F4 [17:19] :/0 [17:19] :) [17:19] cr3_: "I want deps tracked" != constructive. If anything, it will lead to the same ungodly mess that other distros have. [17:20] anyone?? [17:20] :( [17:20] mac-, i'm afraid i still don't understand exactly what you are asking us to help you with. but it sounds like perhaps you got it working ? congrats :) [17:20] bbl [17:20] officergris (~officergr@cpe-69-76-129-255.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:20] cr3_, you are barking up an old old tree that has withered and fallen by the wayside [17:20] forget it [17:20] hiptobecubic: :P [17:20] i'm just pointing out that things that are than repeatedly should be automated [17:20] done* lol [17:20] cr3_: I'm just pointing out that the automation you're requesting is asinine. [17:20] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-162-4-30.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:20] caspian, should be a right click add/remove widget I think [17:21] replay (replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left ##slackware. [17:21] cr3_: others do that. why do you wanna slack? [17:21] dive: If it's a plasmoid, don't you have to click the little testicle on the side? [17:21] no, cos it ain't a widget [17:21] eviljames, yeah probe it [17:21] caspian: An application that presents a tray icon typically allows a right-click and has a menu option "Exit" [17:22] caspian, what happens if you close it and then do a save session in kde menu? [17:22] I can quit the application [17:22] then log out and back in [17:22] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) joined ##slackware. [17:22] khm, didn't think of a save session thing [17:22] thanks for the advice [17:22] I'll try that [17:22] Another happy customer! [17:22] plz paypal $50 to dive@dive.dive [17:22] lol [17:23] heheheh [17:23] first thing tomorrow [17:23] ORLY? Because also you have won the spanish national lottery! I'll need your banking details to deposit the prise [17:23] s/prise/prize/ [17:24] who would have tought that slackware irc channel would be full of identity stealing spam guys :P [17:24] danix_ (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:24] danix (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:24] caspian: we do it out of love [17:24] ...of money, but love is love, right? [17:25] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) left irc: Quit: certes. [17:25] sure you do ;) [17:25] caspian, love me, love my bank a/c [17:25] roat (~c8035eea@gateway/web/freenode/x-mwtbznmusotswmie) joined ##slackware. [17:26] if i'm not mistaking that earlier was an argument about how slack doesn't have dependency resolving [17:26] caspian: trolls like to bring that up, yes. [17:26] why would someone camo to this channel to bitch about that [17:26] caspian, yes. A dead issue as far as we are concerned. [17:26] caspian: they're trolls. They have nothing better to do. [17:26] lol [17:26] caspian, happens all the time. [17:26] agreed [17:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:27] they want to use a distro that acts like ubuntu but named slackware [17:27] If you want an automated dep/system/admin distro then slack ain't for you. [17:27] what bugs me is the will of those ppl to come to slack channel just to argue about that [17:27] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [17:27] is i heard this from new users in school: "why is there alot of distros, they should gather and then become better." [17:27] its been around for 17 years without it, do they really think it's ever going to be added? [17:27] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-71-87.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] -is wtf im to tired :S [17:28] madbear would you like there to be only ONE "soda"? or do you like being able to pick from sprite, coke, pepsi, 7up, crush, etc? [17:28] let's go on a ubuntu channel and bitch about why does apt have dependency resolving [17:28] mancha: exactly + roles? + its open so let everyone do what they want , if u dont like it do it better [17:29] there are many sodas but without sugar and half empty [17:29] do it your way . [17:29] cr3_: whats wrong with ubuntu? slackware aint what you want [17:29] " " [17:29] ubuntu neither [17:29] sounds like your system dude [17:29] so you don't know what you want? [17:30] I would recommend windows for him. [17:30] windows ME. [17:30] kiss and dependency resolving [17:30] i'm using winXP on my PC [17:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) joined ##slackware. [17:30] sounds like arch [17:30] and tried several linuxes on notebook [17:30] nobody understands me :D [17:31] perhaps i should make my own "perfect" linux and make monies [17:31] i'll go and try the session thing [17:31] excellent idea isn';it? [17:31] cr3_: state precise requirements. We'll tell you if slackware satisfies them. [17:31] sure [17:31] but im too lazy [17:31] the idea of linux is to make money [17:32] damn, you've picked the wronf channel man [17:32] cr3_: i bet you cant. prove me wrong [17:32] brb [17:32] caspian (~caspian@191-120.dsl.iskon.hr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:32] i can't how can i prove that i'm right [17:32] thumbs: does slackware ship with the new "ponies" kernel module? [17:32] raela: YES! [17:32] but everything is possible [17:33] well shit, I'm sold :P [17:33] Nick change: danix_ -> danix [17:33] raela: it even comes with the mod_pony apache httpd module [17:33] thumbs: ohhh, I should look into that one!! it sounds like my sort of thing :P [17:34] I heard it can also make you a sandwich, if properly asked [17:34] raela: it just.. prints a pony on the screen. [17:34] thumbs: dude, that is -totally- what I need, right now [17:35] danix (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:35] Nick change: wertik_ -> wertik_rus [17:35] ooooh, sandwich! [17:37] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:37] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-162-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [17:39] freelibrary (~notRoot@p548F76E9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:39] caspian (~caspian@191-120.dsl.iskon.hr) joined ##slackware. [17:39] no luck [17:39] raela, haha [17:39] kde 4 doesn't have a svae session option [17:39] save* [17:39] sec [17:39] is someone testing slackware 13.1 release with GSB [17:39] ??? [17:40] caspian: i think there is something in System Settings->Advanced->Session Management that lets you change that [17:40] it has application to be excluded from session option [17:40] roat: #gsb [17:40] raela: GSB? ugh. [17:40] I've entered guidance-power-manager [17:40] but it still loads on startup [17:40] thumbs: what! don't put that ugh on me [17:40] grrrrrrrrrrr [17:40] the channel is not available [17:41] raela: yes, it is. [17:41] err [17:41] roat: yes, it is. [17:41] man, I'm getting all of the abuse tonight [17:41] raela: sorry. [17:41] no problem [17:41] roat: register your nickname with NickServ first. [17:41] perfect [17:41] thanks [17:42] thumbs: way to support us. thanks. [17:42] caspian, in advanced settings - sessions there is an option to load previous session, manually saved session etc. There has to be an option there in kde menu to save session. [17:42] chipster: I'm not obligated to show public support for your project. [17:42] I couldn't find it [17:42] skillZ (~skillz@modemcable092.144-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:43] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [17:43] indeed you're not thumbs. [17:43] don't bother [17:43] jerkoff [17:43] removed the guidance power manager package [17:43] to speed things up ;) [17:43] chipster: pardon me? [17:43] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:44] thumbs, insulting someone's highly dedicated community project while someone is present in here is pretty rude [17:44] you're rude to non regulars in here. gets old. [17:44] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] caspian: you can just delete the .desktop file in /usr/share/autostart [17:44] I tought that slackers are a peaceful kind :P [17:45] thanks [17:45] thumbs is an ass - deal with it [17:45] but I've deleted the package [17:45] don0t need it anyway [17:45] what i don't understand is why it is set to autostart when kde already has powerdevil [17:45] that I don0t know [17:46] it's quite annoying [17:46] isn't powedevil just the backend for all the power stuff? [17:47] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) left irc: Quit: http://v4nelle.dyndns.org [17:47] I think power-guidance-manager and other things use it. [17:47] no, guidance is separate [17:48] well from what I've read about powerdevil, the acpi buttons, cpu state etc all use it [17:48] there is a power management thing you can enable in the notification/system tray area that is part of kde [17:48] perhaps I owe an apology to chipster - but there was personal feeling involved. [17:48] yeah I use it in fluxbox [17:48] yes. but if you have guidance running it tries to use its own settings rather than powerdevil's settings [17:49] mancha: and your input was not required in this discussion. [17:49] zaltekk, ah right [17:49] it's been forever since i messed with it, but it seemed that guidance doesn't know of powerdevil [17:49] freelibrary (~notRoot@p548F76E9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] zaltekk, apologies to you and caspian but I haven't used kde much in 13.1 [17:49] plus, powerdevil allows more configuration than guidance [17:50] I've never even used guidance until forced on it by fresh 13.1 install [17:50] caspian: same here [17:50] well, and when i was running the -curren that became 13.1 [17:51] ;) [17:51] thumbs i provide my input free of charge, i don't require permission to enter into a discussion in the public forum [17:51] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] well guys thanks for the help [17:52] I'm off [17:52] skillZ (~skillz@modemcable092.144-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.139.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:52] caspian (~caspian@191-120.dsl.iskon.hr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:52] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:54] roat (c8035eea@gateway/web/freenode/x-mwtbznmusotswmie) left ##slackware. [17:54] roat (~c8035eea@gateway/web/freenode/x-mwtbznmusotswmie) joined ##slackware. [17:55] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:55] admiralboom (~Nathan.Bl@nat-vlan0200.sat4.rackspace.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:59] mancha: fair enough - keep your comments constructive next time. Thanks. [18:01] mm, something in my custom kernel config is missing, as rc.inet1 / rc.wireless does not run and start wlan0 properly [18:01] yet, wpa_supplicant + dhcpcd by hand work well [18:01] officergris (~officergr@69.76.129.255) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:02] oh, /sys/class/net/wlan0/wireless doesn't exist in 2.6.34 I suppose [18:02] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:03] alienBOB, plz2fix [18:04] roat (c8035eea@gateway/web/freenode/x-mwtbznmusotswmie) left ##slackware. [18:04] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-127-62.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] W3LL (~W3LL@202.93.37.89) joined ##slackware. [18:04] I'll care about that once I see a 2.6.34 kernel in Slackware [18:05] o__O [18:05] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:05] .35 will be available in slackwhere. ;) [18:06] Bah... --install-new added 4 GB of packages. [18:07] pedro_m (~nader@85.133.204.97) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Always regret making partitions too small... even with today's 2TB drives hehe. [18:07] hi how can I upgrade 13 to 13.1? [18:07] pedro_m: backup your data, and read UPGRADE.TXT [18:08] And also CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT preferably. [18:08] pedro_m: you can find a copy in your favourite mirror. [18:08] where is upgrade.txt and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT? [18:09] In the root directory of any 13.1 mirror you choose. [18:09] As in... the top level one. [18:09] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:09] ok, is recommended that I upgrade it or fresh install ? [18:09] W3LL (~W3LL@202.93.37.89) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:09] what's better? [18:09] pedro_m: depends, some find it easier to freshly install. [18:09] AEnima1577g (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:09] masterslakk (~mastersla@99.30.144.105) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:10] But upgrading should be okay as long as you backup your data and do exactly what's in those text files ;-) [18:11] Zosma, how about packages and i'm installed? [18:11] in fresh install [18:11] Not sure I understand your question. [18:11] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-127-62.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:12] or is it working on upgraded version? [18:13] You mean unofficial packages? [18:13] no slackbuilds packages ... [18:14] i'm packages are not in official iso [18:14] i mean * [18:15] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:15] opps of cource slackbuils are official seems [18:15] Yeah ok... I don't know really if they will still work, did glibc differ alienBOB? [18:15] You can always try and recompile if they don't work :-P [18:16] I think freshly install is better for me ... :) [18:16] Zosma: hmm? [18:17] Many packages compiled on Slackware 13.0 will still work on Slackware 13.1... but not all [18:17] Aye ok [18:18] pedro_m: hehe ok, good luck with it then :-) [18:18] guys i must make initrd?i haven't problem without it... [18:18] Then you probably don't need it. [18:18] Are you running the generic or the huge kernel? [18:19] tnx Zosma thumbs alienBOB [18:19] Zosma, huge [18:19] and others! [18:19] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [18:19] v4nelle: with huge you don't need it because most filesystem drives, RAID and LVM etc. are compiled into the kernel. [18:19] does rc.inet1 always depend on rc.wireless to invoke wpa_supplicant calls ? [18:19] ok Zosma ...thx :) [18:20] thrice`: yes [18:20] v4nelle: with the generic kernel you have a bootstrapping problem, because the ext3 driver, RAID modules etc. would be on the root disk. [18:20] Which it can't mount without those modules... [18:20] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:20] i understund...thank you [18:20] okidoki :-) [18:20] alienBOB, ok, that explains it; the lack of the file fails to tell rc.wireless that my wlan0 is a wireless device, so even though rc.inet1.conf tells the system to use wpa_supplicant, it doesn't. [18:21] thrice`: you have a /sys/class/net/wlan0 but no /sys/class/net/wlan0/wireless ? [18:21] elbeardmorez (~elbeardmo@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:21] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:21] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:22] alienBOB, that's correct - these are the contents http://pastebin.ca/1876280 [18:22] oh another question If I want upgrade it I must to download full ISO? or there is update packages ? [18:22] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Quit: @rnsanches [18:23] You can use slackpkg to update your Slackware online [18:24] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:24] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.68.70) joined ##slackware. [18:25] it would be kind of nice to have rc.inet1 be able to spawn wpa_supplicant on its own [18:25] alienBOB, seems it's hard for me newbie [18:28] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.42.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:31] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:32] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:33] Razec (~razec@187.34.17.210) joined ##slackware. [18:35] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:36] where is ISO for download? [18:36] pedro_m: a mirror [18:36] Google slackware mirror [18:37] official [18:37] pedro_m: mirrors are official. [18:37] cedwards (~christer@unaffiliated/zelut) joined ##slackware. [18:38] ok [18:38] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:39] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/ ? [18:39] pedro_m: good start. [18:39] pedro_m: I recommend the osuosl mirror. [18:40] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-205-248.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:40] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [18:41] thumbs, but osuosl ftp doesn't have iso [18:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.68.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:41] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:43] sorry found it http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1-iso/ [18:43] i'm such a fool [18:43] why can't people just get it off torrent? [18:44] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt3-port-22.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:44] torrent maybe not safe [18:45] uh.. how is that? [18:46] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt3-port-22.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] crack3r (~chatzilla@41.227.50.7) joined ##slackware. [18:46] that's what hashing/signatures are for [18:47] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] echelon, ok I see [18:48] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:48] and it's faster than downloading from a single source depending on your connection [18:48] auska (~auska@83.53.215.243) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:49] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:49] echelon, which torrent client should I install? never use it at all [18:49] transmission is good [18:50] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [18:51] and where is download file? [18:52] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/transmission/ [18:53] download file for slackware 13.1 (single file for downloading) [18:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-88-50.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] there isn't an official package for slackware, have to use the slackbuild instead [18:56] ktorrent works fine if you installed KDE [18:57] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:58] mako-sama, I have it, now how to download slackware 13.1 32bit [18:59] pedro_m: download the .torrent file to your computer. open ktorrent and open the .torrent file from ktorrent [18:59] >_> [18:59] mako-sama, where is .torrent ? [18:59] google search? [19:00] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:00] heh [19:00] connect the dots [19:00] la la la [19:00] slackware website [19:00] pedro_m: I think it's on slackware's website... [19:00] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:00] Pedro for President!!! [19:01] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents [19:01] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:01] http://slackware.com/torrents/slackware-13.1-install-dvd.torrent [19:01] I'm ashamed... [19:02] tnx friends [19:03] ok [19:03] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.73.96) joined ##slackware. [19:03] Srbo_ (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [19:04] infotek (8096@shell.datasync.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:05] pedro_m (~nader@85.133.204.97) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-88-50.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:09] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. 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[19:31] as when you set variable to run something [19:31] VARIABLE="something" command [19:31] shalkie (~weechat@166-70-208-58.ip.xmission.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:32] without creating symbolic link as root? :P [19:32] i don't understand.. an alias for a running process? [19:33] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [19:33] yes [19:33] cr3: rephrase the requirements. [19:34] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:34] oh, you mean when passing a global variable to an app? [19:34] make something(script, process) use substituted command (alias) [19:34] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:35] i think i'll just make a symbolic link and delete it later :P [19:35] alias new_alias="command and args" [19:36] like that? [19:36] oh. All he wants is a normal alias. [19:37] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.226) joined ##slackware. [19:37] no [19:37] yeah, i think.. [19:38] what do you want to run? [19:38] ies4linux [19:39] and what do you need to enter at the terminal to run it? [19:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-132-3.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:41] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] its ok now [19:43] it said "wineprefixcreate not found - update your wine" [19:43] ok [19:43] but i've got 1.2rcsomething [19:43] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.226) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:43] freelibrary (~notRoot@p548F76E9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:44] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.226) joined ##slackware. [19:44] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [19:45] cuvee (~yaaic@108.105.233.242) joined ##slackware. [19:47] cuvee (~yaaic@108.105.233.242) left irc: Client Quit [19:47] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:49] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.174) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:49] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.73.96) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:50] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.168) joined ##slackware. [19:53] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-132-3.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) joined ##slackware. [19:55] hey [19:55] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:55] edthix (ed@124.13.34.207) left ##slackware. [19:55] Urchlay: i just set up a vm for compiling 32bit [19:55] screw the chroot issue [19:55] Cann0n: never got it working, hm? bummer [19:56] I might have been more useful helping you with that if it hadn't been 4 or 5 years since I last set one up [19:56] Evening! [19:57] Urchlay: it's all good. thanks for the help anyways. I'm just not cutout for chrooting to cross-compiling 32bit apps [19:57] i ended up setting up a windows vm too, so i can open my horizons even more [19:58] Cann0n why not just do multilib? [19:59] hiptobecubic: because having multilib support doesn't let you compile 32bit apps without a 32bit environment [19:59] Cann0n, sorry, i'm a little drunk and i just walked in. What were you trying to do again? Just make some 32bit apps with out being 32bit yourself? [20:00] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:00] Cann0n: can gcc not just be told to make 32bit binaries? [20:01] hiptobecubic: i was trying to setup a chroot for compiling in 32bit. i got 12.2 installed in a chroot env but i was having troubles with gtk+2 [20:01] only if gcc and your system know what 32-bit means [20:01] so i just setup 12.2 32bit virtual machine [20:01] Cann0n, ah [20:01] he was having no end of trouble with it [20:01] lol yeah [20:03] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [20:04] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:04] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:05] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] What the hell is with seamonkey? Who uses it? [20:06] i don't. [20:06] We need it for all kinds of libs and headers and shit. Doesn't firefox have them? I hate seamonkey [20:06] they're tiny seahorse like things [20:07] mancha, seamonkeys are nothing like seahorses lol [20:07] haven't you seen the ads?!? [20:07] seamonkeys are more like shrimp than seahorses [20:07] brine shrimp iirc [20:07] they taste like shrimp too [20:07] lol [20:08] i need to install seamonkey to compile pidgin-encryption because it needs keyhi.h. That is absurd. [20:08] lol [20:08] leave #SLackWare [20:08] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:08] at least you aren't on dial-up [20:08] 60KB/s max here [20:09] if it needs the netspace security api, it needs it,knowdamean? [20:09] how the hell are you still using a dialup in this century? [20:09] netscape [20:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-132-3.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:10] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:10] Urchlay: i live in the farm/swamp land of FL [20:10] everglades? [20:10] further north [20:10] are you like a crocodile dundee? [20:10] i live nex to farm land and a small swamp [20:11] but instead of a knife you carry a slackware dvd? [20:11] dundee can't compile kernels [20:11] Cann0n, where in FL? [20:11] Clay County [20:11] you can't get anything faster? you got cell phone reception? data over the cell network is at least a little faster than straight dialup [20:11] hour SW of Jacksonville [20:11] dive (~diverse@cpc2-craw1-0-0-cust1275.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:11] near ocala? [20:11] do you have mosquito problems? [20:12] kinda near it. Ocala is like 45 minutes away [20:12] yeeesh, stay away from girls that are from ocala [20:12] cause gar0t0 who is from brazil has all kinds of dengue issues... [20:12] (at least, if they're all like my ex who was from there) [20:12] mancha: they are the size of dogs. [20:12] damn! [20:12] like little 747s [20:12] Urchlay: lol [20:13] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] i think Urch is damaged goods :) [20:13] her name was "malinda" (yes, spelled that way), and she definitely was "mal" (bad, in the Latin) [20:13] i think anyone who has been married, or has had a relationship before is damaged goods [20:13] anyone who has had a relationship before? [20:14] If my kernel says it's unable to handle a paging request, even though it's using less than 10% of available RAM, does that mean it really wants a swap partition? [20:14] Have fun dating 12 year olds [20:14] yes, stay away from divorced women. they have so much crap in their brainz they'll do you in [20:14] hiptobecubic: well, i dunno how many girls i've just cut offf in mid-sentence to walk away once she mentions an ex-bf [20:14] takeshita_kenji: usually it means something else (bad hardware, or badly written kernel module) [20:14] Well, Memtest86+ says the RAM is fine. [20:15] Cann0n, well good luck with that [20:15] There's no swap partition. [20:15] take, exact error message? [20:15] takeshita_kenji: why not? [20:15] if you want to test your "I need swap" theory, you don't have to repartition: Linux can use a swap file instead [20:15] Here you go: http://pastebin.ca/1876323/ [20:15] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.139) joined ##slackware. [20:15] is it at a virtual address? [20:15] oh lemmego look at pastebin [20:16] # [20:16] [ 255.657110] Modules linked in: nvidia(P) k10temp snd_ctxfi hwmon i2c_piix4 <--- That's probably your culprit [20:16] no such pastebin [20:16] damn, it's annoying how pasting from pastebin includes a #\n at the start... [20:16] leave off the trailing / in the url [20:17] mencha: Everyone else was able to get to it. [20:17] takeshita_kenji: did you just recently start using the nvidia module (or recently upgrade the kernel and/or nvidia module version)? [20:17] looks to me like nvidia is causing mayhem. do you have 64 bit kernel and 32 bit driver or summit? [20:17] 64-bit driver. [20:17] I had to edit the URL, it didn't work as you pasted it [20:17] Oh, the trailing slash. [20:17] Sorry about that. [20:17] no biggie [20:17] I couldn't paste it because I'm not in X. [20:18] right [20:18] The problem first came about with a massive upgrade a few weeks back. [20:18] links? [20:18] This was on a Gentoo system by the way, though their IRC isn't very nice. [20:18] Elinks. [20:18] did you not have a swap partition before your mondo upgrade? [20:18] I did not. [20:18] and everything was fine? [20:18] I haven't had the swap partition mounted for years. [20:18] Yep. No crashes. [20:18] takeshita_kenji: are you on slackware? [20:19] right. I think it's safe to say, your problem has nothing to do with swap or lack thereof [20:19] I'm on the Gentoo machine now. Staying out of X reduces the number of hardlocks. [20:19] am not saying it's definitely the nvidia proprietary driver, but I'm highly suspicious of it [20:19] ok, first off, we need an apology for pearl harbor... [20:19] wtf? [20:19] (j/k) [20:20] my money's on nvidia too [20:20] that was weird, I just re-read "cryptonomicon" (beginning of the book = pearl harbor) [20:20] I can't recall the version of the proprietary driver I had before the upgrade, though. [20:20] mancha: LMFAO [20:20] takeshita_kenji: the gentoo package system doesn't log that stuff? (slackware's does, in /var/log/removed_packages) [20:20] And I recall some version a while back having terrible problems with GNU Screen. [20:21] As in, starting Screen would cause X to crash. [20:21] I would be willing to bet there's *some* way to query the package manager and find out (but to find out for sure, you'll have to ask someone who's actually used gentoo) [20:21] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:21] i've had such a problem... and I upgrade my nvidia drivers with every release from nvidia [20:21] oops [20:22] s/had/never had/ [20:22] Well, I'm not using Portage either. [20:22] mako-sama: eh, that's no guarantee others won't have problems. Depends on what card he has, what motherboard, what nvidia version, what kernel version, what compile flags were used for the kernel, the X server, various other libraries... [20:23] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:23] takeshita_kenji: what are you doing then? "make && make install"? [20:23] Paludis. [20:23] x-ip (~lain@200.82.62.1) joined ##slackware. [20:23] it is definitely nvidia [20:23] no idea what that is. Is it a completely different underlying package system from portage, or is it just a different user interface for portage? [20:24] portage probably has a /var/log/portage.log [20:24] It's completely different, back and front. [20:24] So why does the openoffice.org slackbuild from SBo install a 32-bit binary on my multilib system? :-) I've downloaded both the "source downloads" (which are really just 32-bit and 64-bit packages) because I want to share the same directory structure across NFS to multiple slackware machines (both 64-bit and 32-bit) and the binary that ends up installed is 32-bit. [20:24] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [20:24] in that case, #gentoo people probably won't be able to help you (if you aren't using portage at all, can you even really be said to be running gentoo?) [20:24] i was just sharing my experience ~_~ [20:25] crack3r (chatzilla@41.227.50.7) left ##slackware. [20:25] Looks like I had the same version of the nVidia driver before the upgrade. [20:25] Actually, nevermind. [20:25] I had the latest 190 series before. [20:25] I mean, if I install slackware, then blow away its package system and use something completely different (rpm or pkgsrc or whatever), I would probably be the only human on the planet with that setup, so nobody in ##slackware would be able to help... [20:26] (versus 195 series.) [20:26] *Versus [20:26] adamk, set x86_64 [20:26] Installed December 31, 2009. [20:26] Let's see if that works. [20:27] adamk, the code in the slackbuild will use the correct 'source' (binary packaging) for the arch you specify. if it used 32-bit, you left the ARCH field as 32-bit [20:27] Guest09873 (~id@95-29-182-75.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:27] Hmmm... I thought I had installed the openoffice package after modifying my .bashrc to export ARCH=x86_64, but maybe not. [20:28] I unloaded the driver, so I shouldn't be getting any nasty output for a while if it's the culprit. [20:29] Thank goodness people still make text-based programs. [20:29] adamk: you don't have to go thru the trouble to edit .bashrc if you just need to temporarily set an env variable (or a few of them) [20:30] adamk: you'd do this: ARCH=x86_84 ./whatever.SlackBuild [20:30] Urchlay: I don't consider editing rc's that much trouble :P [20:30] adamk, well, maybe, but it's about the only way that it could happen, so I'd suspect maybe not :) [20:30] Web 4.0: Back To TexT [20:30] raela: yeah, but remembering that you edited them, and remembering to change them back, isn't easy for me [20:30] Yeah, I'd find it much more convenient to edit ~/.bashrc [20:30] huh? [20:30] Why do I need to change them back? [20:31] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:31] oh, I thought this was a temporary thing, you were doing it for one package [20:31] if it's supposed to be permanent, then obviously you're right [20:31] Guest09873 (~id@93-81-140-33.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:32] mancha: I've seen a t-shirt before that said: LaTeX SuX [20:32] hah [20:34] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:34] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:34] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [20:34] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] No dice. Even without the nvidia module loaded, I got the error. [20:35] pastebin [20:35] In fact, I had to do a four-second salute because of this error. [20:35] I wish I could, but it's not possible. [20:35] the oops crashed it completely? [20:35] Yep. [20:35] It was the exact same line, though. [20:35] could you at least burn it into your memmory? [20:36] takeshita_kenji: drop back to your old kernel, see if problem goes away [20:36] what did the "Modules linked in:..." line say? [20:36] The problem still occurred with the old kernel I was using. [20:36] Something added to 2.6.33 caused it to start happening. [20:36] hmm... anyone here tried installing full slackware using something like installpkg -root /newslack slackware/*/*txz ? :P [20:36] i've never thought about it before [20:37] The "Modules linked in" line was the same sans nvidia. [20:37] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:37] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:37] mako-sama: I've done that a few times (well, not */*txz, didn't need the whole thing) [20:37] mako-sama: upgrade.txt does upgradepkg --install-new slackware/*/*.t?z [20:38] Urchlay: you installed to newroot, then moved/deleted your old root using livecd then reinstalled lilo? [20:40] I'm thinking of trying that.. but won't do it if someone else tried it already :P [20:40] a couple times I did "installpkg -root" just to build a chroot environment. Have also done what you're talking about, except I didn't use a live CD, and I didn't delete or modify the old root (I had a LILO menu with "new" and "old" selections, could boot either) [20:40] I was just wondering... there is no reason it wouldn't work [20:40] sure it'd work [20:41] the only mildly difficult thing to deal with would be if the old root is old enough that your drives show up as /dev/hda there and /dev/sda in the new one [20:41] (and IIRC that's covered pretty well in upgrade.txt) [20:41] Trying out 2.6.32. [20:42] takeshit, the fact that it borked after unload is not a surprise it told you it was tainted [20:42] doesn't really matter... I'd proabably do a new fstab and lilo.conf anyway [20:42] the way to test is, blacklist nvidia and reboot [20:42] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("I guess i had to go to that place to get to this one...."). [20:42] Okay, I'll try that. [20:42] woah,i just realized if you typo takeshita (as i did) you get a command to defecate [20:43] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:43] Urchlay: I've been wondering about it for years, but I've never really had a machine to play with. I only have my workstation and it's doing something almost 24/7 [20:43] /takeshit? [20:43] :> [20:44] Well, it looks like I can't boot 2.6.32 anymore due to changes in the NFS infrastructure here. [20:44] compiling a kernel on a 1.6ghz atom takes forever :( [20:45] Try compiling on a 300 MHz Geode. [20:45] no! [20:45] lol [20:48] here's a novel idea: don't compile :) [20:48] Let it compile you instead. [20:49] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] I remember trying to generate a key for frees/wan on a 300MHz geode, left it running overnight & it was still going 24 hours later (at which point I said "screw this") [20:50] Fun. [20:50] what?!? [20:50] was it a googol-bit key? [20:50] Googlebit. [20:50] Urchlay: are you sure that process was in actual progress? [20:50] Action: takeshita_kenji made a pun. [20:50] back then, 300MHz seemed OK, the fastest x86 CPUs at the time were maybe 600MHz [20:50] cause i million-bit RSA can be cracked by the NSA nowadays :) [20:51] ananke: damned if I remember, this was eons ago (1999 maybe? 1998?) [20:51] I wonder how many people alive today weren't alive then. [20:51] there's no way a key generation took that long, it musta been conked on something else [20:51] well, top showed that process was eating 99% of the CPU [20:51] Spinlocks. [20:52] it was off doing something else [20:52] or anyway I think it did (I can't remember what I had for dinner yesterday, stuff from the late 90s is mostly just a haze) [20:52] back in '99 frees/wan was in devel, it was prolly broked [20:52] Spinlocks would definitely do something nasty like this. [20:52] pluto was humpin' minnie [20:52] broken frees/wan code is entirely possible (altho IIRC, the same version worked on my workstation, which was probably a pentium pro) [20:53] yeah some of the arch dependent stuff was prolly borked [20:54] you were ahead of your times, not many peopl with ipsec on linux in those days... [20:54] I found that if I generated a key elsewhere and scp'ed it over, the rest of frees/wan worked well enough (not what you'd call fast, but...) [20:54] I don't even use wireless at home anymore. [20:54] Action: Urchlay hates wireless [20:54] Action: takeshita_kenji likes Gigabit. [20:54] and these days i think people have opted for the easier openvpn type setup, if at all [20:54] using it right now in this hotel room because it's all that's available [20:55] openvpn I don't think even existed back then [20:55] surely not [20:55] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [20:55] SSH forwarding was the only option. [20:55] if you wanted encrypted vpn's it was ipsec, pptp, etc [20:55] pptp would probably have been a better choice for those clunkers, but the boss insisted on real ipsec [20:56] he was one of those guys who got his technical "education" from reading Wired magazine [20:56] Does he want DNSSEC, too? [20:56] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("I guess i had to go to that place to get to this one...."). [20:56] we all want dnssec, cause vanilla dns is not borked enoguh [20:56] Heck, the .org TLD doesn't even support DNSSEC. [20:56] can someone recomand me a program for editing electronic circuits ? [20:57] don't think dnssec existed back then (or maybe just no linux implementation), or he'd have wanted it I'm sure [20:57] i think as of 1 month ago all root servers were dnssec'd [20:57] Nope. [20:57] I quit working for the guy in 2000 or '01, not heard from him since [20:57] takeshi, i am almost 100% positive all root serversnow have dnssec [20:57] .org isn't handled by things in root-servers.net. [20:57] It's handled by afilias.org. [20:58] Oh look, the huge stacktrace still happened with the nvidia driver not loaded at any point. [20:58] Now it crashes at system_call_fastpath. [20:58] are you sure you have working HW? [20:58] sounds like ram or other memory could be on the fritz... [20:58] It worked just fine for over a year. [20:59] It only started borking after the upgrade. [20:59] well, test it with a live cd then... [20:59] I ran memtest86+ on it without any failures. [20:59] what modules are loaded in this time? [20:59] A few consecutive runs. [20:59] memtest needs to really stress things, like an overnight run with 7-8 passes [20:59] k10temp, hwmon, snd_ctxfi, and i2c_piix4. [21:00] otherwise it could pass with flying colors [21:00] "BUG: scheduling while atomic: rm/6147/0x10000002" [21:01] I still don't see why it only started doing this recently, though. [21:01] and you're certain no nvidia stuff is loaded? [21:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.203) joined ##slackware. [21:01] lsmod and stuff [21:01] Yes. It was never loaded and it said "tainted: G". [21:03] i hate tainted things [21:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.157.232) joined ##slackware. [21:09] If Memtest86+ finds bad memory, will it be able to identify which stick is bad? [21:10] should [21:10] I still don't understand why it's bad now when it wasn't bad bedfore. [21:10] oxiredo_ro: there are many... I used xcircuit few years ago, after that I just started using oo.o draw [21:11] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [21:11] takeshita_kenji: do you shutdown properly? [21:11] Well, before these hardlocks I always did. [21:12] so these started occuring when you upgraded? [21:12] Right. [21:12] There was no hardware upgraded, either. [21:12] did you compile a new kernel yourself? [21:12] Yes. [21:13] did you make oldconfig? [21:13] I always copied over the old configuration and used "make oldconfig". [21:13] Yes. [21:13] hmm [21:14] maybe there is a version issue. i've had issues with the newest kernel source not working for some things, gave me weird issues, so i compiled a slightly older version instead of the current [21:14] Well, whenever I tried to boot into 2.6.32 after upgrading, NFS stopped working. [21:14] The machine is an NFS client. [21:15] i don't use nfs [21:15] I pretty much have to. [21:15] how come? [21:15] Alright, so I reverted from custom 2.6.34 to a stock 2.6.33.4, recompiled qemu v 0.12.3, but now I can't load the win7 virutal machine, it crashes with memory dumps, etc. [21:15] Lots of personal files. [21:15] I tried installing a new vm as well and no luck [21:15] They're backed up by tape on the fileserver. [21:15] same story [21:15] unfortunately, there are no options to NFS if you want to access files over the network [21:16] well, there's SMB, but that sucks even more [21:16] true that [21:16] plus, it can't handle posix file attributes [21:16] And besides, I can't always stay back with an old kernel version. [21:16] why not? [21:16] Try using 2.6.9 in Slackware 13.1. [21:16] 9p is cool though [21:17] if it has conflicts... why still use it? [21:17] if only the world was running plan9 :D [21:18] Why would 2.6.33 not work where 2.6.32 did? [21:18] because newer modules might have dropped support or something [21:18] it happens. check cmpatibility [21:18] Where would I check that? [21:19] i dunno how many times i've upgraded kernels and ran into compatibility issues with something or another [21:19] This would be the first for me. [21:19] beats me. try searching google. Forums should arise with a similar issue [21:20] I do remember k10temp being something new added in 2.6.33. [21:21] takeshita_kenji: how many times have you compiled a kernel? i've had it happen to me a few times, most with ati drivers, built-in card readers, and some wifi drivers [21:21] I always compile the kernel. [21:21] I've compiled that kernel on that same machine ever since the beginning. [21:21] try removing the new modules from the current kernel [21:22] or reverting back to a kernel that actually worked [21:22] Can't revert to the kernel that worked because of NFS. [21:22] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:22] takeshita_kenji: why can't you compile one? [21:22] Not being able to use NFS is a worse problem than a crash every few hours. [21:22] Compile one what? [21:22] Action: Cann0n facepalms [21:22] a kernel silly [21:23] I always compile it. [21:23] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:23] I've never used a prebuild kernel on that system. [21:23] *prebuilt [21:23] so why can't you compile an older kernel? [21:23] I can compile it, but it won't boot. [21:23] NFS locks up on every boot with 2.6.32. [21:24] did you make sure NFS was enabled in the kernel config? [21:24] In fact, I have a 2.6.32 kernel compiled there back when I used 2.6.32, but that was before the big upgrade. [21:24] Before the big upgrade, I used that 2.6.32 with NFS. [21:25] i dunno man. it's slackware. i never do upgrades because it's not needed. [21:25] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:25] if everything is backed up,. i'd just start over [21:25] I doubt starting over would fix anything, though. [21:25] If it were a userspace problem, sure. [21:25] my /home is on a seperate partition which makes it easy to start over [21:26] i'd ditch NFS tbh [21:26] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [21:26] I'd just end up with another system with the same 2.6.34 kernel that crashes every few hours. [21:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.157.232) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:27] why would it be the same? [21:27] How would it be any different? [21:27] from an upgraded systom to a fresh install? [21:27] If I compile 2.6.34 with GCC 4.4.2, it'll always end up the same. [21:27] don't do oldconfig [21:28] go through and check what you have marked. [21:28] If I can recompile a kernel before it crashes again. [21:28] ... [21:29] you totally miss the point in "fresh install" [21:29] A fresh install wouldn't help here. [21:29] If this were a userspace issue, it would definitely help. [21:29] so, you upgraded and every since it's been causing problems? [21:29] s/every/ever/ [21:30] Well, I've upgraded this machine several times. [21:30] Just this most recent one caused issues. [21:30] Did you see the kernel stacktrace I was getting? Pretty much everyone else here says it's a hardware problem. [21:31] it just seems to me like "upgrading" was the thing that sparked trouble. it's pretty rare for it to be an actual hardware issue [21:31] http://pastebin.ca/1876323 [21:31] It's complaining at a page_fault call in the kernel. [21:31] That's where it crashes. [21:32] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:33] so, you don't keep a backup stock kernel? [21:33] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) joined ##slackware. [21:33] My only backups are old Gentoo kernels that I used in the past. [21:34] *yawn* [21:34] have you tried loading a stack kernel from the upgraded distro? [21:34] You mean vanilla-sources? [21:35] i mean the stock kernel slackware 13.1 (or what ever version you are dealing with) comes with [21:35] This is Gentoo. [21:35] asamoah (~caio@190.244.54.145) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:35] then go to #gentoo and stop wasting our time. [21:35] I don't ask at #gentoo because nobody I've talked to who has gone there has been helpful. [21:35] *has found help. [21:35] lol [21:35] try a different kernel. [21:35] and GTFO [21:35] 2.6.33 and 2.6.34 don't work. [21:36] go to #gentoo [21:36] hard for us to debug a customized kernel from another distrib though, i think. [21:36] this is #slackware [21:36] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] is your kernel patched or is it the same as what ou find on kernel.org? [21:36] greetings and salutations [21:37] slackware and gentoo are not the same. you obviously got yourself into a jam. next time, keep a stock kernel around in your lilo.conf so you can always trouble shoot a kernel problem [21:37] aka, so you don't lock yourself out of your own system like you seem to have done. [21:37] LILO? [21:37] takeshita_kenji (takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:37] lol [21:38] fucknig idiot! [21:38] gah [21:38] it seems easy to find out the root of the problem... "i upgraded and sudden has issues" [21:39] how does a borked kernel lock you out of your system? [21:39] out of curiosity: why are you still using lilo? [21:40] Action: andarius uses lilo, why not ? [21:40] I use it too, because I'm too lazy to configure extlinux and have stuff with higher priority [21:40] andarius: since it's quite rusty [21:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-111-32.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] works flawlessly here. I see no rust, I see a mature application that does exactly what it was meant to do [21:41] grub is bloat, that's true [21:41] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:41] andarius: you have to run it every time you install a new kernel.. isn't that rusty? [21:41] no [21:42] how or why would that be rusty? [21:42] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [21:42] typing lilo is hardly what i'd call stressfull [21:42] I for one like that it detects some issues as well.. [21:42] I happen to like it nor deciding to find new kernels for me [21:42] s/nor/not/ [21:42] you have to patch grub for ext4 isn't that rusty? [21:42] I'm not a grub user [21:43] grub is GNU garbageware [21:43] so if you have slack+windows say, with extlinux you chainload something in slack's /boot that then chainloads the windows partition? [21:44] yes [21:44] I think so... I don't have windows either though [21:45] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:45] x-ip (~lain@200.82.62.1) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:45] and how does extlinux deal with encrypted volumes, say luks [21:45] how does grub deal with luks? not at all as far as I can see [21:45] I never loaded a kernel from an encrypted partition [21:46] ok, those are all important things imvho... [21:46] when i know how extlinux deals with them i'll weigh in on whether i think it is rusty or not ;) [21:47] whatever [21:47] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [21:47] anyone knows something to prevent me from falling asleep? I have some serious javacrap to do [21:47] those are real life situations though, lots of people are encrypting their volumes and many people are dual and triple booting. i am not trying to be cute [21:47] i don't have issues with kernels... because i keep the stock kernel as an option [21:48] n0nsense: 4 cups water, 10 tablespoons coffee [21:48] dual booting is stupid to me [21:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-111-32.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:48] mancha: I had my harddisk encrypted too. no bootloader can load a kernel from an encrypted partition, period [21:48] i agree with you that lilo doesn't impress me as a stellar "zomg" bootloader. on the other hand, it does what it advertises... [21:49] they all load it from a seperate /boot, which is not encrypted [21:49] i love lilo. i prefer it over grub anyday [21:49] or they load the basic part from an initramfs image [21:49] and contains a kernel which is able to decrypt the harddrive [21:49] i was curious as to how extlinux dealt with that [21:49] n0nsense: you're trying to stay awake so you can code java... and it doesn't occur to you that you could drink some java? [21:49] lol [21:49] Urchlay: I'd rather not. It'd make me puke. [21:50] coffee makes you puke? [21:50] no, the programming language [21:50] i could use a cup of jobe [21:50] the curiosity was genuine, i'm willing to give extlinux a shot if it can do those basic things forme [21:50] well yeah, java the programming language is pretty vomitous [21:50] chainloading works fine on my sister's box using extlinux I think [21:50] i agree [21:51] isn't java soon planned to be obsolete in the next year or something? [21:51] I sure hope so [21:51] seems like a read a slashdot article about it [21:51] although it will take universities at least another decade to figure that out [21:51] dunno, oracle keeps piping out fresh new SDKs [21:51] new version of java is do out some time this year [21:51] right from their bug-ridden ovens to your boxen [21:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488FAEA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] 7? I think [21:52] well, there's worse than java [21:52] Action: n0nsense stares at adobe [21:52] they're at what? 6.20 now? [21:52] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] an amazing thing, the new runtime env (don't know when it started) installs all kinds of nasty. on windows (gasp?) there are numerous ring 0 daemons connecting to *.sun.com all the time [21:54] java is trustworthy! [21:54] hah [21:54] LOL [21:54] ok. and i'm Luke Perry [21:54] just like facebook [21:55] i wanna make a "I Survived the ClickNapping Attack of 2010" tshirts [21:55] I want to make oil spill tshirts [21:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.249.92) joined ##slackware. [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488FDAD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:55] I'd buy both :) [21:55] lol [21:56] adobe is even worse though, i agree [21:57] "BP: How much more sea water is the the Gulf Oil Reservoir?" [21:57] "EPA: Beats me, but those shrimp will have to learn to breath oil." [22:00] it's just a matter of time before they start charging extra for the oil flavored fish sticks made from gulf cod [22:00] http://www.marriedtothesea.com/053110/a-better-language.gif :D [22:02] Original formula, extra crispy, or west texas intermediate? [22:02] lol [22:02] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:03] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [22:03] hey guys [22:03] hi [22:03] say anyone compiled 2.6.33.4, wondering how the optimize for size is working out if you used it? [22:04] never use optimize for size [22:04] same here [22:04] milton (milton@2002:bd63:9827::bd63:9827) joined ##slackware. [22:04] that is, *I* never use [22:04] HD space is cheap, i want my kernel optimized for speed not size [22:04] same here [22:04] milton (milton@2002:bd63:9827::bd63:9827) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:05] yeah I want it optimized for speed too, couldn't remember if that helped in performance in anyway though... [22:05] I [22:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:05] errrr [22:06] I've never used it in the past... [22:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.249.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:06] no, it was for making the size smaller because in the old day, kernels had issues if they were too big... at least i think [22:06] ok, not sure exactly the kernels combo...but lets just assume the very basic stuff.. [22:07] -Os (size opimization) on gcc basically translates to: "Apply all the optimization you would with -O2 except those that increase object code size" [22:08] so you miss out on some optimizations because they're code increasers... [22:08] so it's obsolete now? [22:08] what is? [22:09] "optimize for size"? [22:09] Cann0n, in general? no [22:09] no, it is there. and used for some embedded systems where space is a big convern [22:09] concern [22:09] I thought it wasn't just the size of the kernel, but what drivers you build in it... [22:09] funny thing is, for someone a bit new to compiling the help says if you're unsure then to pick Y hehe [22:09] lol i never pick it [22:10] yea never have either... [22:10] Xgates: which is like the opposite of the typical gentoo ricers... everything they build is with -O6 --funroll-loops [22:10] h [22:10] i've never been unsure ;) [22:10] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [22:10] -funswitch-loops :) [22:10] -fside-order-fries [22:10] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:10] -froot-loops [22:11] -fomg-im-going-so-fn-fast [22:11] lol [22:11] Urchlay: if you're going to use -fside-order-fries, make sure to set -Xtra-krispi [22:11] I hate these goddamn birds [22:11] n0nsense, amen [22:11] what birds? [22:11] n0nsense: have you heard? [22:11] 2.6.34 is out? [22:12] yes [22:12] I used gentoo before so I know what ya mean [22:12] I'm running 2.6.34 right now [22:12] the bird is the word [22:12] and running btrfs on two partitions too... [22:12] the word can just die [22:12] they tell me I'm damn late again [22:12] meego endorsed btrfs [22:12] I should go get another coffee, it's only 4 AM [22:12] hey what's with the Profiling & OProfile, it's experimental so I'm not to into using the experimental stuff but Pat has it compiled in, been thinking to remove that.... [22:13] at least the deadline will be over tomorrow [22:13] 4am hehe, someone must be in Europe :) [22:13] just having the profiling support in the kernel, if you don't ever run oprofile, isn't going to do anything [22:13] ugh. I just got 2 new 2tb drives, but I need to swap out these two 500gb drives first... meaning I need to image first. [22:13] blargh. [22:14] that will take a while I'm sure. [22:14] oprofile, can't say I need it or would use it... [22:14] fsck clonezirra doesnt handle btrfs [22:14] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:15] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:15] Tests run: 13, Failures: 0, Errors: 10 [22:15] fuck yeah [22:15] oh one other thing, I have a recent x64 AMD TF-20 and I figured from what I read I don't need the MPS Table [22:15] Xgates: exactly, I'm from .de [22:15] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:15] mps is for older systems [22:15] hehe [22:15] yeah that's what I thought [22:15] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:16] why? [22:16] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:16] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:19] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:19] cause you said 4am, that's all :) [22:19] ah :) [22:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-40-51.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] when they yanks are afternoon you guys morning across the pond as they say... [22:20] when they/the.... [22:21] oh just had a filling put in last month from a dentist from Germany that use to work at my dentist office and I asked him about the silver/mercury fillings what he thought and he told me they are against the law in Germany and he never put them in anyone before [22:21] M1ck3y1 (~Jon@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] let me tell you I've been feeling alot better getting rid of this stuff and going with the plastic/resin fillings [22:23] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-170-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [22:23] hey does 13.1 need auditing support for anything in the system? [22:24] does xorgconfig work in slack 13, and if it does, how do you execute it? [22:25] did you try running xorgconfig? [22:25] I'm stuck after a fresh install in a tty shell, and I tried typing xorgconfig and it just says bash doesn't recognize command [22:25] me I use menuconfig [22:25] faster.... [22:26] oh my bad hehe, thought we were talking about the kernel gui config, hehe [22:26] lol no, i'm just trying to get a gui from slackware.. [22:26] but resin feeling can't tune into 101.2 Rock FM [22:26] resin fillings :) [22:26] lol [22:27] M1ck3y1: in root, run xorgsetup [22:27] I did that, and I went through all the motions and still nothing... I've been googling my errors "no screens found" for days and can't figure out what to do [22:27] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) got netsplit. [22:27] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) got netsplit. [22:27] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) got netsplit. [22:27] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) got netsplit. [22:27] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) got netsplit. [22:27] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit. [22:27] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) got netsplit. [22:27] karlmag (~karlmag@it010246.klientdrift.uib.no) got netsplit. [22:27] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) got netsplit. [22:27] juice (~juice@67.48.16.165) got netsplit. [22:27] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) got netsplit. [22:27] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) got netsplit. [22:27] hole guacamole! [22:28] M1ck3y1: do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [22:28] did you run startx? [22:28] yes.. and I've tried editing it and deleting it and making new ones with xorgsetup and nothing [22:28] no screens found typically might mean the wrong driver loaded, possibly, what card you got? [22:29] startx is what i'm trying to get working, but it says something like "critical error: no screens found" [22:29] hmm [22:29] I have an nvidia 8200 in a laptop [22:29] are you using the X drivers or Nvidia? [22:29] I think (from my ubuntu install) that I need closed source drivers for it, but A. shouldn't I still be able to get some display? and B. how would I go about getting those drivers if to where they need to be. [22:30] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] karlmag (~karlmag@it010246.klientdrift.uib.no) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] juice (~juice@67.48.16.165) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [22:30] yeah sure both ok was just asking to know because you use a different name to load each [22:30] X=nv [22:30] Nvida Driver = nvidia [22:30] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [22:30] I don't know what I'm using. I haven't messed with anything just did a clean format and fresh( everything) slackware install. [22:30] in /etc/X11 what you see? xorg.conf? or xorg.conf-vesa? [22:30] xorg.conf [22:31] k [22:31] look at the driver section and see if it shows "nv" [22:31] x should still start without xorg.conf though [22:31] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [22:31] gimme one sec.. my laptop is in the other room [22:32] also look and see if you have /var/logs/Xorg.conf in there and read through it and see if you see any errors showing up that gives ya a hint [22:33] errr my bad I mean /var/log/Xorg.0.log [22:33] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:33] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:34] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-162-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [22:34] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [22:35] umm... where is the driver section? [22:36] O.o [22:36] in the xorg.conf file? [22:38] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-40-51.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:38] yeah [22:38] pidgin 2.7.1 seems a little less stable than i've come to expect [22:38] boy I'm loosing my grasp of the english language, I must be getting old [22:38] LOl [22:38] Xgates: sorry, I'm not even seeing a driver section... [22:38] this ---> On non-ancient distros (post-2000 ones) N is usually a safe choice, mean on systems newer then 2000? [22:39] one sec [22:39] ah hah! [22:39] yes, Xgates [22:39] sorry, I missed it.. It says nv [22:40] ok [22:40] In my log it says. "KDSETMODE failed: bad file descriptor" and [22:40] "VT_GETMODE failed: bad file descriptor [22:40] ok as I was saying go to /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look through it, hopefully there's an error in there that will guve you a clue [22:41] both of those errors are preceded by (WW) xf86CloseConsole: [22:41] so you just installed Slack 13.1? [22:42] did you do an expert install? [22:42] no [22:42] I did the one where I can't mess anything up [22:42] ok [22:42] I selected all the "safe, recommended" options [22:42] I wonder if mesa was installed though [22:42] way to live on the edge! [22:43] hahah [22:43] this is edgy enough.. terminals give me the willies :O [22:43] heh [22:43] hey look and see in xorg.conf you see Option "DPMS" like that, with no extra quotes on it [22:44] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.89) joined ##slackware. [22:44] Why doesn't slackware have a bug tracker? [22:45] It seems like it would be helpful [22:45] M1ck3y1: one other thing make sure you look all the way through the log to see if there are any other messages [22:46] hiptobecubic: well there's only one official slackware developer (pat), and 4 or 5 unofficial/volunteer ones. Small enough group, they can communicate by email without losing track of what they're doing [22:46] isn't post, meaning after, like in this example: On non-ancient distros (post-2000 ones) [22:46] I mean hey pre is before, hehe [22:47] Ok.. woah I'm messing a ton of stuff up. Those errors I had in my log were the result of stupid things I changed in the file. I deleted my xorg.conf and then ran xorgsetup again and let it do its thing. Now my log is way longer, but it seems like the only error I see it that "Fatal server error: no screens found" [22:47] deleting it is ok running xorg should be ok [22:48] M1ck3y1: you're on 13.1? what happens if you rm xorg.conf and run startx without a config file at all? (there's a good chance it'll work fine) [22:48] I'm on 13.0 and I still get the no screens found error when I remove xorg.conf [22:49] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-68-238-13-35.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-239-36.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] *shrug*, was worth a shot [22:50] lol, thank you all so much, even if this doesn't work.. [22:51] It's just that on ubuntu, I could still get a GUI before I even had video drivers installed.. it sounds like slack should be able to do that too, I'm just confused.. [22:51] running xorgsetup should give you a working file [22:52] did you look all the way through your X log for any other messages, forgot if you told me? [22:52] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:52] I looked through, it was long but the only obvious error I see is that no screens found one.. [22:52] there were some fonts it couldn't find, but it moved right on.. [22:53] hmm well it depends on the fonts, some are needed others aren't [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:54] hey in the menuconfig seeing --X-- means something is still compiled in ? [22:54] well more like a small x -x- [22:56] I don't think the fonts were a problem, cause everything kept loading.. Ok I'm reading more in the log. It also says "NVL Ignoring unsupported device 0x10de0845 at 02@00:00:0 [22:56] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa [22:56] (EE) No devices detected. [22:59] "ignoring unsupported device" certainly sounds like the problem [23:00] what device is that? brand-spankin-new nvidia card? [23:00] lol [23:00] so much for the whole "nvidia > ati" wars [23:00] i wish the error were more cryptic [23:00] both seem to have issues, huh [23:01] "0x10de0845 at 02@00:00:0" is too damn easy... [23:01] they both suck, for linux users [23:02] but then so do all other video cards I know of (pretty much all of them, the driver's either reverse-engineered & not capable of everything the card can do, or else developed as an afterthought by the manufacturer) [23:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-239-36.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:04] M1ck3y1: seems to not be seeing your card, hey run as root -- pkgtool and under the 'view' section see if you SEE 'Mesa' & xf86-video-nv [23:04] Action: andarius is a linux user and does not think his NV card sucks :( [23:04] nv cards are good in Linux, I've used them for years without problems [23:05] but even the vesa driver should work [23:05] the card sucks at being "easy to integrate with linux". You either have to run the proprietary driver (which is great when it works, but sometimes Just Fails to Work with nothing you can do about it), or else the nv driver (that isn't real capable). nouveau may change that, but AFAIK it hasn't happened yet. [23:06] pardon me, I'm feeling kinda pessimistic this evening [23:06] I have never had an issue personaly with NV. I have with ATI. Still don't think they suck :) [23:06] hehe [23:06] Nv being nvidia cards that is [23:07] Xgates: The only mesa I see is "mesa-7.5-i486-1" [23:07] ok that's good [23:07] view it? [23:07] now the xf86-video-nv [23:07] yeah view [23:08] I see "xf86-video-nv-2.1.14-1486" [23:08] So yes, I see them both [23:09] ok [23:09] as root run ---> lspci and TYPE exactly what you see for your video here... [23:09] mancha: Lol, I just saw your cryptic post.. my feelings precisely [23:09] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [23:09] Xgates: lspci returned like 100 lines of code.. [23:10] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [23:10] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Client Quit [23:10] WHAT there should only be a section as wide as your hand [23:10] lspci just lists the hardware is all [23:10] perhaps "lspci | grep VGA" [23:10] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [23:11] 100 lines of code, I thought this was a laptop [23:11] lol... perhaps I exaggerated [23:11] at least 20 lines of text.. not code.. and not 100.. sorry :( [23:11] the above from me should narrow it down a bit... [23:11] just look for it [23:11] that grep one produces one result [23:11] Who'da thunk ;) [23:12] 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M G] (rev a2) [23:12] yeah. Have you attempted to install the nvidia proprietary driver? [23:12] Urchlay: No, I don't know how... [23:12] that's likely the only way you'll get that card to work [23:12] As a side thought, for those who need to paste from cli, http://sprunge.us/ [23:13] M1ck3y1: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/nvidia-kernel/ and http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/nvidia-driver/ [23:13] andarius: there's also wgetpaste (on SBo) [23:13] the one I linked requires nothing [23:13] Urchlay: Ok, problem #2. I can't get online with my laptop.. [23:14] well, aside from curl which is a default on most distros :) [23:14] M1ck3y1: eh, that would be a good thing to fix... [23:14] lol [23:15] I don't know what is up with it.. at my house I have no router (I just borrow my upstairs neighboors internet) but I went to a friends earlier and plugged in and still couldn't get online.. [23:18] if your eth0 works and you unplug it then run ---> /etc/rc.d/inet1 INTERFACE_eth0 [23:18] Xgates: all I can do here is borrow wireless.. [23:19] ok [23:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-204-28.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] lol.. I'm a man of many problems :( [23:19] ll [23:20] using numbers as letters is one of them :p [23:20] It's lower down the list.. [23:21] I'm hopin Xgates can fix that for me too :P [23:21] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [23:24] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-204-28.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:27] andarius: curl! amazing... [23:29] andarius: never thought that i can pastebin from cli.. amazing... im like a child from the movie "UP" [23:29] umm, OK [23:30] not fat, but amazed. [23:30] lol, I was wondering ;) [23:30] " im like a child" <- that probably would have been enough [23:30] ;) [23:30] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:31] BP{k}: bah, more like an explorer [23:31] well in lspci if you see the ethernet listed then you are supported :) [23:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Xgates: is that truely a valid statement ? [23:32] I see ethernet listed.. I found like 30 people having this problem online.. but no solutions.. [23:32] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:33] M1ck3y1: what ethernet controllers do you have? I would assume a wired and a wireless [23:33] Do you know the actual chipsets in use? [23:33] I don't know my foot from my hand right now.. [23:33] jacktrust (~backup@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] I'm not sure of the answer to either question.. sorry.. [23:34] what nic card is it? [23:34] Hi [23:34] that one I almost understood.. nic? [23:34] jacktrust: yo [23:35] anyone here use snes9x? I'm having issues with using my keyboard in it. [23:35] quick question.. If I have pretty much stayed with -current, I shouldn't upgrade my aaa_elf pkg should I? [23:35] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [23:35] to catch up to 13.1 [23:36] azzorcist (~azzorcist@125.167.216.171) joined ##slackware. [23:36] aaa_elflibs [23:37] no? [23:37] never upgrade that pkg [23:37] twoshot_: what issue? [23:38] I can't use it. [23:38] twoshot_: what is it? [23:38] It let's me choose between joypad mouse and superscope.... [23:38] twoshot_: did you set snes9x to use a keyboard? [23:38] and multisomething [23:38] twoshot_: I've been known to mess with snes9x, do you mean the original or snes9x-gtk? [23:38] Urchlay, snes9x, the slackbuild said gtk is now internally packaged [23:39] ah, OK, that'd be my slackbuild then :) [23:39] LOL [23:39] :) [23:39] i like snes9x-gtk better [23:39] well the keyboard isn't working with it :/ [23:39] ang: upgradepkg --install-new /root/slackware/*/*.t?z won't do that ? [23:39] would the snes9x-gtk version get my keyboard working? [23:40] hm, did you actually assign any keys? I cant remember whether it enables keyboard controls by default [23:40] as UPGRADE.txt calls fpr [23:40] for [23:40] in windows it assigned them by default [23:40] i dunno. both have worked for me in the past. -gtk just worked 20 seconds ago when i tested it [23:40] how would I do it manually? [23:40] hm wait I think I found something [23:40] which will make me feel retarded [23:40] let me see if this works [23:41] go Options -> Preferences -> Joypads. By default, all the keyboard controls are set to "Unassigned" [23:41] (I just had to get rid of my config, to test that) [23:42] woooow yeah [23:42] I just did that. [23:43] I can't believe I didn't try that before [23:43] I suppose the author assumes everyone's going to use a gamepad (by default, IIRC, the gamepad's enabled) [23:43] thanks for the help [23:43] I don't remember what was enabled default [23:43] my memory is so bad [23:43] I don't actually have a gamepad with me at the moment :( [23:43] yeah I just have my laptop [23:43] anyone that doesn't use a game pad is retarded for having the patients [23:43] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:44] I'm getting panics up the wazzoo right now, it's all pointing to my nvidia nic it seems. how do I silence it on the active tty so it stops flooding me? [23:44] i wish this laptop had a serial port because i made a badass SNES gamepad wired to a serial port [23:44] the FTDI usb to serial chipsets are well supported in linux [23:44] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:44] In fact out of the box with slackware [23:45] i don't hav an adaptor [23:45] 20$ from most online suppliers [23:45] don't have a job [23:45] serial ports on USB might not really work that well with stuff like that (worth a try though) [23:45] plus for 20 bucks i could get a usb pad [23:45] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:45] In that case I would guess playing games is not a major concern right now ;) [23:45] defeats the purpsoe of building my own from scrap parts lol [23:46] it's not. though, i do like my sega games [23:46] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:46] i never did get around to compiling gens-gs yet [23:46] he hasn't got a job, what else is he going to do all day but sit around & play super mario? [23:46] no! [23:46] qneo (knao@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [23:47] lol [23:47] after enlightening... does slack uses some other app like xclip? [23:47] Action: pupit serves coffee in this long waited sunny dawn [23:48] Hi... :) [23:48] yo azzorcist [23:48] jacktrust (backup@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [23:48] Action: pupit im in "yo" mood instead of "hi" [23:48] what is xclip? [23:49] clipboard systray thing? [23:49] Cann0n: yes [23:49] Action: Cann0n just uses mid-click technology to do any copy and pasting [23:50] yeah, but xclip can copy automaticaly an output of the command ;) [23:50] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:50] i prefer command > output.txt [23:51] ok, but if i want to pastebin something i just do the paste [23:51] middle click works for pastebin too. lol [23:52] ehm, ok. Cann0n how can you copy the output of the command if you dont select it first? [23:53] run dmesg > dmesg.txt [23:53] too much work [23:53] noob [23:53] command | wgetpaste # will paste it on dpaste.org [23:53] Action: Cann0n ignores pupit [23:53] lol [23:54] the idea behind a clipboard application is it does not create a file [23:54] which can be pointless in many cases [23:54] so why can't middle click output not work? [23:54] i think having a app to running is pointless [23:54] why add steps ? [23:55] i want to copy the output of the command to clipboard, not selecting it and pasting it... [23:55] why run xclip? [23:55] above [23:55] to save eefort and file system space? [23:55] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] mid click never fails for me unless i highlight an extra line by mistake [23:55] Hey all, I'm turning in for the night. Thanks for all the awesome help! Eventually I will totally be running a working slackware computer! Good night all. [23:56] Cann0n: but you have to "select"? [23:57] M1ck3y1 (Jon@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [23:58] where are the ops tonight? [23:58] beats me [23:58] It is weird seeing them missing from this channel and #slackbuilds [23:59] tehy all probably have lives unless me [23:59] yay http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/misc/xclip/ [23:59] is xclip even a daemon? I thought you just went "command | xclip" (possibly with some --options to xclip) [23:59] seems like I've actually used it [23:59] but there are too many apps named x$something where I can't remember what the $something is [00:00] --- Thu Jun 3 2010