[00:01] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-155-49.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] sQuEE (n=narya@host211.201-253-131.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:05] Nick change: Akuma0n3 -> Akuma [00:05] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:07] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left ##slackware. [00:08] Does not lilo's command line work similar to the one offered by Slackware's isolinux, the part where it says "you may boot your system from here by passing a line like the following" huge.s root=/dev/sda1 ? [00:10] yeah but i've got a kernel that is seeing the partition as hdc1 [00:10] taquito (n=rich@cpe-76-168-152-22.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:10] and i need to write to the mbr, so it can boot as sdc1 [00:10] Which one of you had the mplayer cross-compile script? [00:11] MrHales: ro [00:12] Thank you, antler. I was going from my own memory which is, thankfully, much faultier than that of my computer. [00:12] i think it would be hda1, though [00:12] try both [00:12] :D [00:12] no, i got a weird kernel [00:14] hmm hugesmp.s see's the drive as hdc as well [00:15] MrHales: hugesmp.s root=/dev/hda2 rdinit=ro [00:15] oops hda1 [00:16] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [00:17] sQuEE (n=narya@host42.201-253-244.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:17] I sorta missed the beginning of this and am probably far too lazy to scroll up, so do you not possess a Slack cd/dvd, Soul_keeper? [00:17] The way I'm reading this, and I may well be mistaken, is that your kernel thinks sdc1 is hdc1 and, therefore, lilo is freaking out because what should be there, isn't. Due to this, you can't boot. So are you trying to tell lilo to look for hdc1, instead, or what? [00:18] If that's all, and your kernel, no matter how mistaken it may be about identities, can safely (of course, I don't know) mount the partition, you could reinstall lilo from isolinux, by mounting your disk to, say, /mnt and then after altering /mnt/etc/lilo.conf, do lilo -C /mnt/etc/lilo.conf [00:18] But, don't foolishly assume I have any idea what I'm talking about. I don't. [00:19] MrHales, i am trying to upgrade from kernel 2.6.25 to 2.6.28.7 problem is 2.6.25 see's the main drive as hdc the new kernel see's it as sda [00:19] Okay. [00:19] so i'm not understanding how to get lilo to install this new setup [00:20] Do you have a Slackware disc handy? Preferably one featuring the newer kernel? [00:20] yes [00:20] should've been: "... Slackware install disc... " [00:20] well i've got no cd drive, but a bootable slack usb stick [00:20] and hugesmp see's the drive as hdc as well [00:21] One believes that should work.... okay, maybe not. [00:21] sorenp (n=Soren@79.136.53.23) joined ##slackware. [00:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) joined ##slackware. [00:23] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left irc: "Leaving." [00:23] panzer: ping [00:25] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [00:25] lee555J5: yo [00:26] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:26] superGear (n=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [00:26] Now I'm just waiting for a cascade failure of everything from mouse to gpu fan that starts a silent but potent fire that I fail to notice while away from the keyboard and eventually leads to the destruction of my own life, that of my many pets, and my life's work. [00:27] i threw a laptop off the second story once when it overheated and started smoking [00:27] panzer: go to balu [00:28] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-170-94-184.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [00:29] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] AngelinaJolie (n=minnesot@67.223.233.219) joined ##slackware. [00:30] My Net, now that I have it, is teh sux0r and quirky weird errors keep popping up in what is, essentially, a clean system. Aside from /home (with requisite .file cleaning), the system should be so shiny new (from a software perspective) that I should be able to see my reflection in it. [00:31] As I was saying, before my keyboard ceased function, what kernel does your usb stick have on it? [00:31] And that should, of course, had "Soul_keeper" tacked right in there just before the "?" [00:32] appears my usb boot image is slack 12.0, i'm gonna make the 12.2 right now and see if that picks it up as sda [00:33] nullboy: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/01/208251&from=rss [00:34] Having tried LXDE with little luck (though it is pretty on the tiny screen of my EeePC), would xfce be the most mature, lightweight de? [00:34] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:34] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] i'm diggin' xfce 4.6 + compiz-fusion :D [00:35] the two seem to compliment one another [00:35] How so, MLanden? [00:35] antler: Did the pager problem get fixed when using compiz + xfce? [00:36] agentc0re1: i haven't experienced a problem with the pager and compiz; so i guess so [00:36] Just referring to compiz & xfce 4.6,MrHales [00:36] Oh! I thought you meant LXDE and xfce, hence my confusion [00:38] i had NO idea that xfce was such a formidable wm/de/whatever until very recently [00:38] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:41] it is quite a competitor when up 'gainst the 2 big dogs (KDE & GNOME) [00:43] MLanden: kde4.2 is pretty sweet, though. the built-in effects are fantastic. props. :) [00:44] It is nice,antler [00:45] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] I like showing my friends (most of whom use M$ and nearly all of whom deride GNU/Linux without cause) the desktop cube. "It's what everyone uses (blah blah)" "Yeah, can it do this? Behold the candy!" [00:46] Reached (n=jeremiah@24.238.92.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:47] I'm pretty amazed by 4.2, never knew my desktop could be so sexy. Heh. [00:47] _stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:51] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:51] ken` (n=user@38.119.107.114) joined ##slackware. [00:53] AngelinaJolie (n=minnesot@67.223.233.219) left irc: Client Quit [00:54] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-48.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [00:58] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.51.189) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:01] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cbz231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [01:04] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [01:05] ken` (n=user@38.119.107.114) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] i think i just overwrote my partition table [01:06] Why do you think that? [01:07] i think i installed lilo to the main partition [01:07] paissad (n=paissad@89.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] hugesmp.s root=/dev/sda1 rdinit= ro just said it encountered errors and rebooted itself [01:08] I don't think lilo alters partition tables... just writes itself where you tell it and tells the first stage bootloader where to find it [01:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] I think. [01:09] yes, but if i install lilo to /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda then i'll do something it's not [01:09] not supposed to [01:09] i'm too tired for this, but i don't like going to sleep with something not fixed [01:09] Unless you're writing it to the MBR which, from my understanding, exists outside the partition table [01:09] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [01:10] i didn't write it to the mbr, wrote it to the partition itself on accident [01:10] Yeah, but /dev/sda isn't a partition, it's a device, yes? [01:10] just opened up 6hr of work for myself, that's how long it takes to reinstall slackware and get it configured on this Eee [01:11] yes [01:11] Yeah, that does take a while.... which Eee do you have? [01:11] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [01:11] the first Eee that ever came out [01:11] 701? [01:12] Have a wee screen flanked by speakers? [01:12] yeah 701 [01:12] I got a 900a from Best Buy for US$180, couldn't pass that up. [01:13] nice [01:14] lilo -M /dev/XXX [ mbr | ext ] install master boot record this line is confusing me [01:14] Dunno if you have one local that has any, but I was informed that the Linux 900a was out of stock on the 7th of last month, hence the sharp price drop. They're trying to get rid of them. [01:15] That makes two of us. [01:15] lilo -M /dev/sd [01:15] or lilo -M /dev/sd mbr [01:15] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("It's not your problem."). [01:16] I see a lot of netbooks moving to Windows. [01:17] Where are you seeing this line? [01:17] lilo -M /dev/sda -C lilo.conf is happening instantly [01:17] it's not working [01:17] from lilo --help [01:18] ah [01:18] How do you mean "happening instantly"? [01:19] it's not giving the correct output [01:20] just saying the master boot record has been updated, no added* lines [01:20] might have to do with ro permissions [01:20] You need to use the full path to lilo.conf when you use the -C switch, or at least relative, I believe [01:20] nope i got write permission on the drive ... hmmm [01:21] yeah i am [01:21] It may be looking in the current directory [01:21] oh. [01:21] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.50.104) left irc: "Leaving" [01:21] /mnt/sda/sbin/lilo -M /dev/sda -C /mnt/sda/etc/lilo.conf [01:23] I was checking the man page, that line you questioned "mbr" = Standard Boot Loader "ext" = Extended Boot Loader [01:24] i still don't understand their syntax [01:24] It searches partition table for active flags (which I'm not sure what it means by "active") and boots the flagged partition. if ext is specified, it will also check extended partitions [01:24] ok maybe i have to activate the partition first ... [01:24] looks like it should be: -M /dev/sda mnt or -M /dev/sda ext [01:26] I used a Slackware 12.2 flash with the packages (except kde) on an SD card for the install. You have to mount the SD card somewhere (mkdir /media; mount /dev/sd*1 /media) before starting setup, but it worked pretty well. [01:26] all i need to do is install lilo [01:26] errr make it work [01:27] i have my boot image, have my lilo.conf [01:27] it just needs to work [01:27] I think, but am not certain, that lilo was not able to be installed automagically by setup and I had to do it manually. Basically, I just booted off the stick again, mounted my primary partition to /mnt and did "lilo -C /mnt/etc/lilo.conf" [01:27] and it worked. [01:28] then removed all the media (unmounting it first) and Vulcan nerve pinched it. [01:28] Still using hugesmp.s at the moment, but its (kinda mostly) working [01:29] I'm fooling around with different wm/de to see what's going to work well before I go back in, tear the guts out, and then put the OS back together piecemeal so I have what I need, but no more. [01:30] ok i think i got it [01:31] -M just don't work [01:31] lilo's help sucks [01:32] erbi (n=erbi@lawn-128-61-116-227.lawn.gatech.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:32] It's pretty terse. [01:32] all manpages should have examples, that's the best way to learn imo [01:33] welp that failed [01:33] system seems to want to reboot itself during kernel load now [01:33] how much of "LILO" is printing? Not exactly informative, but each letter signifies a stage of boot loading [01:34] lilo did it's job [01:34] onto new problems now [01:34] udev issues or something [01:34] How so? [01:35] while the kernel is loading before the filesystem is made writeable [01:35] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) joined ##slackware. [01:35] it stops and reboots itself [01:35] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:35] this kernel version might be broken [01:35] guess i'll need to try stepping it down [01:36] which version are you using? [01:36] 2.6.28.7 [01:36] Could be. I've got 2.6.27.7-smp. [01:36] 2.6.28.7 isn't broken [01:37] again, needs to be reconfigured for this hardware, but it's functional. [01:37] well i enabled some stupid verbose kernel boot, so it's spitting out too much junk to diagnose the issue [01:38] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:38] gotta recompile, which mean reinstalling lilo, few more hours and i'll get it heh [01:38] Are you using a stock kernel, or a custom build? [01:38] always custom [01:39] You should install a stock one and have that entry as a failsafe in lilo.conf [01:39] at least you could get back in and avoid the boot rolling its doing now [01:39] Man-erg_ (n=meck@93.40.142.201) joined ##slackware. [01:40] and not have to boot from the stick [01:40] it seems the press [F2] for a list of available kernel images is broken on my small screen [01:40] the stock kernel was the problem in the first place, this is slack 12.0 [01:40] you could turn off the fancy lilo menu in favor of the simple one [01:41] hugesmp takes like 10+ min to load [01:41] OUCH [01:41] Yeah, it takes a while, but it does work. [01:41] Soul_keeper: what do you have, a vic 20? [01:41] Eee [01:42] 900Mhz celeron [01:42] that's an unreasonably long wait it seems [01:42] it puts a dot on the screen each second, i get several rows of those [01:42] lol [01:43] The kernel loads into memory fairly quickly (on the atom in a 900a) but the initrd, yeah, takes an age and a day. [01:43] maybe it's the USB media slowing it down [01:44] Course, that was from an older flash drive. The stock kernel loads, even with all the unnecessary checks, yadda, in a minute, or so. [01:44] all this work just so i can get my atl2 nic drivers [01:44] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:49] is there any way to make the slackware setup just install the kernel, and lilo ? [01:49] Not automatically, but you can manually [01:50] i don't trust it won't install or modify something else [01:50] Soul_keeper: from what ive heard it might be easier to do that from an existing linux installation [01:51] Man-erg (n=meck@85-18-136-67.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] i'm just gonna compile a kernel for it on this system [01:52] probably easier than setting it up with an old kernel and waiting 45min for a build [01:52] anyways thanks for the help [01:53] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Why is it that the Fn+F# keys work (and everything else, it seems) works as it should on my lil' Eee PC (under $US200) but not on my buddy's Sony Vaio (prolly over US$1000)? Don't you get what you pay for anymore? [01:53] heh [01:54] good point,MrHales [01:55] My model of EeePC doesn't have a camera, but I'm sure that, if it did, it would work. Not the one in the Vaio, though. [01:57] MrHales,Does your buddy have slackware installed on his Vaio? [01:57] Yes. [01:58] hmm...it could be the number of closed-source devices..but I could be wrong [01:59] Although, since reinstalling, haven't tested the camera, again. It may have decided to start functioning. Those special keys, however, nuthin... Now I have noticed that sonypi (which seems to be heading for deprecation, if it isn't already) and sony-laptop seem to be bickering. But if sony-laptop *is* the preferred method, and it seems to be from what I've seen in the logs, why is sonypi still fighting for control? [02:00] Yeah, I looked up the camera. I can still hope things will just magically work, its helped in the past, occasionally, but I read... somewhere... that there is currently *no* support for that camera. [02:01] Running low on o.j. and still too much cheap vodka left.... [02:02] hmmm..more driver than screw,,,ouch [02:02] Too much driver tends to strip out the screws, yep, and that's just how it's happened. [02:03] that cheap,MrHales?!? [02:03] A seven dollar fifth, if that means anything to you. [02:04] I'm not responsible for having purchased it, but since it was left at my house three months ago, I consider myself responsible for getting rid of it. My stomach looked like a good place to dispose of bad liquor. [02:04] No...just joking on the comment of the driver stripping the screws.. [02:04] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "wake up, time to die." [02:04] i have the glenlivet! [02:05] Action: MrHales looks up at MLanden's joke as it passes just over his head. [02:05] The way this stuff both tastes and smells, it'd be best used for swabbing prior to injection. [02:06] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [02:06] a 7$ fifth of vodka? [02:06] strangly,seems like a Dean Martin/Jerry Lewis monlogue [02:06] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("It's not your problem."). [02:06] 7$ 5th of vodka = turpentine [02:07] Naw, turpentine is made from pine. This was purportedly made from taters.... although I've never considered a tuber to be a "grain" which this stuff claims to be quadruple distilled from. [02:08] Rather: ... from which this stuff claims to be quadruple distilled. [02:08] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:08] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [02:13] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4565762.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [02:16] Assuming one has previously installed software from source (we'll call it foo), and keeps the tar and later untars the package, configures it and then does make uninstall, will the previously installed software be, thus, removed? [02:17] it should [02:17] tar xzf foo-1.0.tgz; cd foo-1.0; ./configure && make uninstall = program removed, yes? [02:17] Excellent. [02:17] Thanks, dive. [02:18] only if you configure identically to the original install [02:18] the uninstall script can only remove what was installed,right? [02:18] Ether_Man (n=polx@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:19] if you changed the prefix on the original install and then didn't match it during the second configure, make could miss parts [02:19] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:19] that's what I thought [02:20] Good, good. I've decided to swap xfce for lxde and, since space is such a premium, I need to rid myself of the latter as painlessly as possible. [02:20] why don't you just start building packages for your software? [02:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:20] LXDE is very nice with the EEEs [02:22] XFCE 4.6 offers a nice package as well [02:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:22] It's pretty, but I had some issues with it. I do believe those issues may well have been of my own creation (and faulty installation) and may end up swapping back. It's not exactly mission critical at the moment, so I'm taking the opportunity to try different things. I'm even considering using one of the other Eee centralized distros. Slackeee, unfortunately, does not appear to be very active and certainly not friendly to my model. [02:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:24] I'm going to try 4.6. I want something, ultimately, that's quite snappy, friendly without being all I-work-on-commision, and impresses strangers enough to intrigue them about open source software. As I'll be using the netbook away from home, and they are interesting conversation starters, I intend one of the functions of the wee thing to be a part of my ongoing free software evangelism. [02:25] Go get 'em,MrHales [02:25] Action: MrHales smiles. "Power to the people." [02:26] Machiavelli said that as long as the people can be kept poor and disorganized, the power structure would survive forever. [02:26] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/xfce46/ [02:28] They're doing a wonderful job of it and, with the assaults on software freedoms and the Internet, in general, I have been forced to come to the inevitable conclusion that I am witnessing the death of liberty in the United States and the birth of American facism. But that's a soapbox for another time and place. [02:28] ken (n=user@38.119.107.110) joined ##slackware. [02:28] Thank you, BP{k} [02:29] the drake equation [02:29] What's that? [02:31] it's a way to guess the frequency of advanced civilization happening in our galaxy and one of the aspects of it is that it is unknown if intelligent civilizations all have a tendency to annihilate themselves [02:33] FreshPrince (n=gfunk@84-73-111-153.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [02:33] FreshPrince (n=gfunk@84-73-111-153.dclient.hispeed.ch) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:35] ken (n=user@38.119.107.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:35] ken (n=user@38.119.107.110) joined ##slackware. [02:36] matt5 (n=river@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:36] I had a thought on that, once. Almost poetic. The Milky Way inscribes a spiral in space, one that is matched by the Golden or Divine Ratio down through structure, form, population to the twist of our DNA. One wonders if the spiral is, then, our Fate. It does seem as if major events occur with greater rapidity, especially with the interconnecting of previously disassociated sections of the populace in such a way that we've nearly wired the world and c [02:37] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [02:37] Then again, I could be drunk. [02:41] If we are connected to those previously diassociated sections; do we face it with enlightenment or with hostility? [02:42] One hopes for enlightenment. One knows that things which are "different" are often met, however, with hostility at best and violence, at worst. [02:43] true [02:43] zhoun (n=guo@58.31.41.70) joined ##slackware. [02:43] This sort of aversion to the strange, one is taught, is based in our genes, that the caveman brain responds to things unlike one's self as a possible threat. [02:45] There had to be one caveman to overcome such response in order to embrace fire [02:46] But this same aversion is encouraged by the media. By the images and sounds and language used to represent our world. Most people, being far too concerned with their own welfare (and in the current economy, who wouldn't be?) will take such information at face value. One can refer to a group of people as "freedom fighters" or "armed insurgents" and it basically means the same thing, but the emotional baggage, the societal inferences, of such language ch [02:46] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4565762.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "ta leme" [02:46] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-179-64.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Mastery of fire is what truly separates humanity from all other animals. Not tools. Fire. [02:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:47] zhoun (n=guo@58.31.41.70) left irc: Client Quit [02:47] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Deep thoughts [02:49] Action: MrHales is as deep as a mirror; all depth perceived is an illusion. [02:50] any suggestions on a netbook? i'm thinking of getting one. [02:51] Yeah, grab an Eee PC 900a at Best Buy while they still have them. Got mine for US$180 [02:51] No better deal around. [02:51] oh wow nice [02:51] No camera, but I'm not that pretty. [02:51] do you know the difference in that one and the 1000 version? [02:51] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:51] The 1000 has a 10" screen (900 series is 9") and more storage [02:52] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:52] ah [02:52] the little guy I have only has a 4G ssd, expandable with sd cards [02:52] right [02:52] matt5_ (n=river@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:52] well [02:52] i'm looking on ebay [02:52] Some of the 1000 series have an actual hard drive in them. But as rough as I am on things, the idea that the only moving part is the fan suits me fine [02:53] yes that was my dilemma as well [02:53] i do like the space though [02:53] i see a person has one one ebay with 8 hours left. it's the 1000h and the bid is at 212 [02:53] The ssd cards (the 900a's is a bit slow, though) are, generally, faster than a hard drive, because they have no seek time [02:53] she/he wants 15 for shipping [02:54] yes they are [02:54] though it is in pristine condition [02:54] When it has 8 minutes left, you'll see the real price. I've tried ebay auctions only a few times, dial-up at the time, and I couldn't refresh the page fast enough to bid and got outbid in the last few seconds. [02:55] lol [02:55] right [02:55] well i won't go very high for it [02:55] maybe 215 [02:55] But I'd see things that were bargain basement priced early on, but became outrageous near the end. [02:55] yep [02:56] there is a really cool site actually; called goofbay.com [02:56] You can do that thing where you max bid (you could, at least, assume that feature still exists) [02:56] ken (n=user@38.119.107.110) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [02:56] yes [02:56] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [02:56] on goofbay it will actually search for misspelled words in the title [02:57] and since they spelled them wrong less people find them and you can get things very cheap sometimes [02:57] I've got Slackware running on my 900a right now, just swapping wm/de's to see what I like in a lightweight. [02:57] That's actually sorta cool. [02:57] yeah [02:58] The netbook runs it pretty well? [02:58] Cooler would be if I could remember where I hid my flash drive [02:58] Yeah. Now, I'm not using one of the so-called optimized distros, either. Right now it's running stock Slackware 12.2 minus KDE [02:58] oh nice [02:59] Boot is a bit slow for lack of an optimized kernel, and there are a few issues with suspend (but I think I can get that ironed out), but all in all, working very well. [02:59] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] How about processor speed? Do you take a big hit with it? [02:59] Space is a bit tight, but I went the "too much is always better than not enough" route so that I could see what does and doesn't work. [02:59] or power i should say [03:00] I don't know much about the Atom processor. [03:00] This has one of those Intel Atom... oh. Well, with the stock Linux (Xandros thing), I get 3-4 hours at full go, say 5-6 if I drop brightness and turn off wifi, that sorta thing [03:01] right [03:01] do you notice much of a bottleneck? [03:01] The stock Xandros (*almost* bearable if you enable the Advanced Desktop Mode) also auto throttled the cpu depending on battery/ac state [03:01] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89C25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:02] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:02] On the little ssd in this, writes are some serious slow, but, aside from that, my only complaints would have to be that the system has the occasional hang, a second or two, but bounces right back and the touch pad is a little off. [03:02] not like, inaccurate, but sort of insensitive [03:02] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [03:03] I was also interested if it might be able to run some low graphics games (i know it's not meant for it though) like maybe quake or quake2 [03:03] I'd heard that before I bought one, though. If you plan to game on one, I'd recommend an external mouse. [03:03] okay [03:03] Tux racer ran pretty well on it, plugged in (throttle off) [03:03] nice [03:04] Yeah, nothing too intensive. Just boredom breakers. [03:04] glxgears is giving me ~340 fps [03:04] dri enabled? [03:04] yeah [03:05] Well, xorg.conf says load it, at least. [03:05] the N10 has the geforce 9300m on board, though they want like 700 bucks for that one. [03:06] Yeah, Xorg.0.log says it's running [03:06] okay nice [03:06] What about agp,MrHales? [03:06] There is a channel on this server dedicated to the EeePC, btw. (#eeepc) I only know as much as I've experienced with just this one model. [03:07] okay, i was mainly interested on how well it runs slackware [03:07] intel_agp and agpgart modules both loaded [03:08] sounds like a pretty good deal for the price anyway [03:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Comfortably under 200 bucks, can't complain at all [03:09] You seem to be getting along fine with that model,MrHales....like they say...games on a computer are nice,but when the computer is the game...it's even nicer [03:09] I love this little thing. [03:09] I keep saying: Best 200 bucks I ever spent. [03:09] yes [03:09] i see [03:10] i travel quite often and i need something lightweight that will still get the job done and that sounds like it will do the trick [03:10] hopefully i win this bid on ebay [03:10] XD [03:11] good luck,mrselfpwn [03:11] thank you [03:11] I was so impressed with this thing, I bought one of the closeouts for my young son. I'll have it all pimped out by the holidays and it will be nice for him to be able to use an OS that doesn't treat him like an idiot. [03:11] yes lol [03:12] What is xandros like? [03:12] I'm using mine for the testbed, seeing what works, what doesn't [03:12] the stock install is pretty easy, like Aunt Tillie easy. [03:12] haha [03:13] There's very informative how-to's available on getting the Advanced Desktop Mode that was never quite implemented by Asus [03:13] basically installing two files and, bang, you're there. [03:13] only gripe on the "full desktop" is that it bypasses authentication [03:13] you can password protect the easy version [03:14] You can still get a terminal in easy version, though [03:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:14] I see. I've never used Xandros before [03:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:14] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:14] One issue with the stock install was that as soon as you find a hotspot, a bubble pops up about available upgrades [03:14] some of them are useful enough, but most are not, and it never goes away [03:14] nagware?!? [03:14] lol, i hate that [03:15] And if you install every available upgrade, you'll have an unbootable system because they'll totally fill the ssd [03:15] i'm gonna go with the actually hdd i think. [03:16] A nice thing about the stock Linux, though, is that while you're fooling with it (this is the ssd version, dunno about what comes later) you can access the grub menu and revert to factory settings whenever until you repartition/format the drive [03:16] oh nice [03:16] kinda 'Get out of jail free card' [03:16] It comes out of the box very nearly unfukupable. [03:16] right [03:16] That's a technical term. [03:17] :-D [03:17] haha [03:17] well, i know how to hit the delete key so i'll be okay ;D [03:17] There is an XP version, but the bloat is too much and the hidden drive is not possible on that one, apparently [03:18] okay, one other question. [03:18] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [03:18] I'm not sure, but its a safe bet that the later ones also have some sort of hidden drive feature [03:18] If i buy the 2gig ram version, i know Xandros won't be able to use the 2gig, but will slackware find and use it? [03:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:19] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [03:19] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:19] I don't honestly know if I've ever had that much ram... my desktop is a bit dated. [03:19] I read that the linux installed OS can't have more than 1 gig [03:19] If it can do it on the desktop, though, I'm sure it'll do it in the bitty box [03:20] yeah, i think it's a limitation in the custom xandros they install [03:20] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:20] that would be a BIOS feature,right? [03:20] Might lighten the kernel? That goes beyond my expertise, however. [03:20] well, they say the Windows version of it can use 2gig or more [03:21] so not 100% sure on that one [03:21] I had a dude at an office store tell me that 3G would work for Vista (on a laptop) but 4G was better. [03:22] lol [03:22] I kept thinking how my operating system of choice could run on a 386 and make good use of it. [03:22] think Vista would be a living nightmare on a netbook [03:22] right [03:22] omg yes [03:22] Vista is a living nightmare anywhere. [03:23] I've had the unfortunate experience of having interacted with such a beast. [03:23] look at this one [03:23] If the price stays low i might consider [03:23] "Did you start this program?" Uh, yeah. With the mouse. You saw me do it. "Do you trust this program?" Uh, yeah, I ran it, didn't I? "Are you sure?" Kill me. [03:23] http://tinyurl.com/dzsrln [03:24] i'm about ready to throw my netbook against the wall, then stomp on it [03:24] greetings [03:24] lol mrhales [03:24] When sweet, sweet love fails: Violence [03:24] 6 hour wasted trying to make the hda -> sda conversion on slack 12 [03:25] can't be done [03:25] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:25] You need to sleep on it, dude. In the morning, you'll come back to it and have one of those V-8 moments. [03:26] And use 12.2 because it worked great on mine. [03:26] i hate upgrading [03:26] i just want my atl2 driver [03:27] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) joined ##slackware. [03:27] the hugesmp kernel with 12.2 has atheros support inside [03:28] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [03:28] Nice to see a picture of that thing up and running, mrselfpwn. [03:28] Other than that, looks solid, I'd guess [03:29] yep [03:29] well [03:29] the seller has 133 feedback all positive [03:30] I'm a visual person. *shrugs* [03:30] i'm looking at the ones on lenovo's site and they want $349 for the same model with only 512meg ram, and only 80 gig harddrive. [03:31] Yes, i see your point MrHales. [03:32] Action: Soul_keeper reverts back to 2.6.25 and watches it work perfectly [03:32] My world is pretty well centered in my eyes. I draw and such-like, so that explains some of it. [03:32] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:32] It did, Soul_keeper? [03:32] MrHales, this is my original kernel [03:33] ah [03:33] so 6hrs and i got nowhere [03:33] i'm going to take another approach [03:33] and try to fix the atl2 source code that is broken [03:33] I bought my desktop off ebay for $2,149 from someone with only 17 feedback all positive. Before I paid i followed a link from one of his pictures to his photobucket account where I found the name of his band, what city and state he lived in and where they played most often. [03:33] Cool. [03:34] They talented? [03:34] Actually, they are pretty good. [03:34] Damesviolet is the band name. [03:34] www.myspace.com/damesviolet [03:34] Yeah, but the atl2 project looked as if it was being included in the kernel in Dec '07 [03:34] The lead singer built my computer. [03:35] Renaissance rocker. [03:35] matt5 (n=river@unaffiliated/matt5) left irc: "leaving" [03:35] site down. [03:35] ? [03:36] double ? [03:36] si [03:36] Renaissance rocker? [03:37] Oh, you know, builds computers, has a band: multi-talented [03:37] lol [03:37] Seriously, is MySpace down? [03:37] right [03:37] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:37] no, it takes me to the site when i click the link [03:37] nightf0x09 (n=nightf0x@vs13.vds03.best-hosting.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:37] Or did my nameserver just bite it? [03:37] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:38] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:38] wtf? now it's workng... cursed cellular internet!!! [03:38] heh [03:38] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [03:38] lol "Is myspace down?" [03:38] I live in the middle of a swamp surrounded by cornfields [03:39] haha [03:39] Net is shaky on the best of days [03:39] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("It's not your problem."). [03:39] Well it wasn't working, I tried the main url and those of several people I know, and nothing... [03:39] Yes, i can understand. [03:41] I went down to Austin after all this, to the place where they play. [03:41] Sadly they he wasn't there that night. [03:41] But you met the lady that was there and introduced yourself, a-la Highlander? [03:41] Yes i did. [03:42] lol [03:42] ahahahah [03:42] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:42] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [03:43] What is beforelight and why do I want it? [03:43] Or need it? [03:44] I guess if you develop screensavers. [03:44] and what is bigreqsproto? [03:45] You got me. [03:46] MLanden, if you're around, what version of compiz were you liking with xfce? [03:47] Still here...using 0.7.9 [03:48] any compelling reason (other than bigger numbers are shinier) to upgrade from 0.7.8? [03:48] used the git script slacky.eu had posted [03:48] Not really...just wanted to try the git script...few extra features but nothing big [03:49] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [03:49] Cool, thanks. Any reason to have cpio when I have tar? [03:50] razel (n=rpg@99.253.170.115) joined ##slackware. [03:52] np,MrHales [03:56] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:57] guest1111 (i=1000@PPP-02-183.beobug.com) joined ##slackware. [03:57] I think in all the 12/13 years I've used Linux/BSD I've only came across less than a dozen sources compressed with cpio [03:58] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.97) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [03:58] don't remove cpio [03:59] nullboy: Okay, but why not? [03:59] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.90.81) left irc: "nite" [03:59] because initrd's are manipulated with cpio [03:59] If I don't plan on using them? [03:59] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [04:00] dang....that's what I was trying to remember...thanks,nullboy [04:00] I think the only time I make use of initrd's is during installation. [04:00] paissad (n=paissad@89.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [04:01] grep -n cpio `which mkinitrd` [04:02] ... and if I don't have mkinitrd? [04:03] I'm trying to maximize space and get rid of everything I don't actually *need* [04:03] 4G seemed like a lot when my hard drive was 250M, but not so big these days. [04:03] 732k [04:04] 4G is nothing these days [04:04] you might end up needing cpio for something [04:04] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:04] I want to reduce packages until I have only what is required for this lil system and then learn how to make a tag file so I can do my son's all automagically [04:04] who knows, but at 732k...really. [04:04] nullboy,what about zoo? [04:05] So, keep cpio... but I already dropped mkinitrd. The way this thing runs (admittedly the stock initrd's are huge) its only going to make booting longer. [04:05] i don't think zoo is used anywhere in the distribution's installer sources or pkgtools [04:06] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Operation timed out [04:06] thanks,nullboy [04:09] hmm [04:09] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:10] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [04:10] Soul_keeper, you still here? [04:10] i'm looking through a ton of different build scripts and some of them need cpio too [04:10] hi all [04:10] some aclocal.m4 build files use cpio [04:12] Okay, I'll keep cpio... still dropping mkinitrd. [04:12] Action: MrHales puts his foot down, his leg was tired. [04:12] duryodhan (n=devdatta@nat/yahoo/x-690838446ba08236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:13] taquito_ (n=rich@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [04:13] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [04:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.129.11) joined ##slackware. [04:15] Soul_keeper, man I just stumbled on the answer to your problem, I think. [04:16] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] strankan (n=sfsd@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "- nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -" [04:17] MrHales, i managed to get everything working finally [04:17] what a pain tho [04:18] well working with my old kernel that is [04:18] good t'hear,Soul_keeper [04:18] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Soul_keeper: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=11967 [04:18] See especially post #14 [04:20] I googled to see what, if any, functionality hdparm had with an sd card and that came up. [04:21] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: No route to host [04:22] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:22] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:23] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:24] got snow goin' through Virginia as we speak [04:24] thanks MrHales i'll bookmark that [04:24] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:24] time to sleep now tho [04:25] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:25] My pleasure, Soul_keeper. Always happy to help. And yes, you do that. [04:25] http://70.166.30.10/lsnet/ [04:25] Said that earlier, sleep now, tomorrow is another day [04:25] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:25] that's my Eee, time documentation of my ordeals :) [04:26] Wow. [04:30] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:30] that's my project if you wanna try it out http://sterlingdesktops.com/lsnetweb/ [04:31] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-94-184.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:34] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:34] This tool gives the readout you just showed me? [04:36] Bookmarked. [04:36] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:36] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:37] taub (n=taub@ip-80-226-18-28.vodafone-net.de) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Not exactly computer-related, but http://wordsmithsworldsmithsandink.com is my project... very rough around the edges. Still porting my original site and editing reams of material from my partner. [04:37] hi, i leave the computer on over night, and sometimes i come back and kde wont respond anymore [04:38] i then swithc to another terminal and see that its taking a lot of cpu [04:38] Which KDE? [04:38] 3.5 [04:38] screensaver not shutting down properly? [04:39] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [04:39] dunno, will look into it [04:40] Wee (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:41] What is libmowgli? [04:41] anyone out there use a gui programming editor, if so what? [04:42] sounds like the jungle book [04:42] netbeans but it sux hahaha [04:43] hi. for term, I use only the Terminus font, except when displaying foreign layouts (Russian or Arabic, for example. Terminus fonts deals with Russian just fine, but screws up displaying Arabic. I've a font called "Nafees" that renders Arabic very well -- so my question: how possibly can I have Latin/Russian text in Terminus and Arabic in Nafees? I'll appreciate any resource or anything that can hint toward a solution [04:44] had to google that one,MrHales http://svn.rpmforge.net/svn/trunk/rpms/libmowgli/libmowgli.spec [04:44] MrHales, my webpage http://linuxsociety.org [04:44] That's a keeper, then. [04:45] cool name though..:D [04:45] heh [04:46] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:47] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:48] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:49] You is bookmarked, Soul_keeper. When I (finally) get our links page up, you'll be on it. [04:49] re [04:49] someone can give me his jabber, i wish to check mine if it connected properly [04:49] thanks [04:49] ? [04:49] nightf0x09 (n=nightf0x@vs13.vds03.best-hosting.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:50] Not that we're terribly popular at the moment. But I believe we'll grow. [04:50] taub (n=taub@ip-80-226-18-28.vodafone-net.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:51] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. 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[05:03] I'm getting some odd behavior with vim and screen.. in screen, when I start vim, it sort of just hangs up. However, while it's seemingly hung up, if I resize the window.. everything is fine again. any idea what may be going on? as far as I can tell, there's nothing fishy in .screenrc [05:03] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:04] and this happens with both xterm and urxvt, by the way. [05:04] Konsole as well. [05:05] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:05] vim opens up okay otherwise, it's just in screen that this is happening. my snooping around/googling isn't getting me anywhere :x [05:06] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:07] Wee: "ctrl+a l" for screen refresh [05:07] The-spiki, no effect [05:08] i'd try running screen without the "customized" .screenrc [05:08] just in case it is the culprit [05:08] alright, I'll try that. [05:09] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:09] after that, i'd try without the "customized" .vimrc [05:09] nope, no effect with removing .screenrc as well [05:09] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:09] hm, I'll try starting vi instead of vim [05:09] Hermaniette (i=1000@dhcp-198-247.nomad.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [05:10] btw, i obviously don't know what might be the problem... just gave you some ideas to troubleshoot bit further [05:10] Why would I need libwmf? Is that for reading of some sort of M$ Office file? Windoze Metafile Format? [05:10] md5_hexed password with a digest, just that same as what in /etc/shadow right? [05:11] whats the easiest way to create one? [05:11] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:11] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:12] she_dyed (n=jazze17@adsl-10-124-242.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] MrHales, looks more like windows media file aka windows avis [05:12] Nick change: Ether_Man_ -> Ether_Man [05:12] ew. Thanks, slackytude. [05:12] not sure, tho [05:12] It's Win-native, means I don't need it. [05:12] hello, i used installpkg, is there a command to list what just got installed? [05:12] *nod* [05:13] less /var/log/packages/name-of-package-installed [05:13] The-spiki, found a solution on the web, eventually :) -- "export TERM=xterm" resolves the problem (I've put it in my .screenrc "term xterm" -- according to http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=18242 ) [05:13] thx MrHales [05:13] you can use installpkg -warn to check before hand. fyi [05:13] it works :) quite frankly, I don't know how and why in terms of technicalities.. but what the hey. :) [05:13] Good call, jon [05:13] Wee: ql [05:14] The-spiki, pardon? q1? [05:14] ql = cool [05:14] oh. uhm, yeah. :) thanks for the time though! much appreciated. [05:14] appreciate the tip jon cheers [05:16] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:18] ql = cool ? wtf [05:19] q = kew; l = l, [05:19] slackboy, the newer, hipper generations of slackers is here. ;) [05:20] Any good reason to keep twm? [05:21] emergencies? [05:21] when none of your window managers work after an update [05:21] to impress ladies? [05:21] she_dyed, you are new to slackware? [05:21] or after a vidcard upgrade [05:21] twm? I know of dwm.. awm.. never heard of twm. hmm [05:21] Hey, baby, want to see how fast my twm loads? Yeah... [05:21] slackytude yes, my first acquaintance was log long ago [05:22] long* [05:22] It was funnier the way you said it the first time. [05:23] dont mock man looks like twm is all i got [05:23] (for now) [05:23] now bring on the ladiez! [05:23] Party! [05:24] hmm? [05:24] We're going to pick up chicks with hot twm, and then get down and boogie. [05:26] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [05:27] ken (n=user@38.119.107.110) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [05:27] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Connection timed out [05:28] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.219) joined ##slackware. [05:29] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.129.11) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:30] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:31] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:32] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] boogie! [05:34] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.140.95) joined ##slackware. [05:36] almost time to to go home [05:36] \o/ [05:37] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:37] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:40] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-7c12bcdac8a8d42a) joined ##slackware. [05:40] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Almost time for bed. That's a serious bigger "yay" but I don't have the right characters to pull it off. =) [05:46] algol_ (n=algol@121.229.114.91) joined ##slackware. [05:46] how can i run compiz on fluxbox [05:47] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [05:47] Good morning *. [05:48] algol_, afaik, you dont [05:48] algol_, you can run X with composition [05:48] yes but i want 3D effects [05:49] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:49] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89C25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:50] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89C25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:51] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left irc: "Leaving." [05:51] Chrysalis (n=UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [05:51] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.219) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:52] Wee (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("::"). [05:55] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89C25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [05:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[06:12] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: [06:15] take care,folks....good luck in all life's endeavors [06:15] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.140.95) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:15] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-155-49.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [06:17] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:17] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:18] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:18] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Operation timed out [06:21] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4565762.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "ta leme" [06:21] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.220) joined ##slackware. [06:28] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.10) joined ##slackware. [06:28] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [06:28] simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:30] simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) joined ##slackware. [06:31] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:34] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [06:37] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [06:40] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [06:40] hi, does _anyone_ here use SCIM? or has managed to work SCIM to input any exotic script? [06:40] I'd love to get the thing just simply working.. the interface is a tad bit confusing. [06:42] where can I get libaudio.so? I am looking through ftp.slackware.com, am I in the right place? [06:42] pardon the n00bspeak [06:43] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left ##slackware ("::"). [06:43] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [06:45] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.144.169) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:45] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:46] simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:47] simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) joined ##slackware. [06:50] Hey guys on slackware where does iptables log to ? [06:52] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [06:52] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [06:54] dusty: wherever you tell it to [06:55] so it doesn't by default then ? [06:55] you can probably find out where it's logging to in syslog.conf I think [06:55] if i passy the log option to iptables ? [06:56] ok [06:56] does slack have a repo that has 'almost everything under the sun' :) [06:56] heh [06:56] she_dyed, god no.. 800 packages or so [06:56] erm, I don't see any mention of iptables in syslog.conf Ficthe ? [06:57] she_dyed: slackfind.net metasearch for some of the more popular package repositories [06:57] w00t thanks The-spiki [06:58] dusty, sorry.. I guess try tailing some logs in /proc/ dir.. syslog, secure, firewall, whatever. sorry, I actually don't know, was just taking shots in the dark. [06:59] dusty: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iptables+logging [07:01] losesome_ (n=losesome@74.93.79.3) joined ##slackware. [07:02] losesome (n=losesome@c-98-227-71-205.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:09] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [07:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:13] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) joined ##slackware. [07:13] hi al [07:16] can u ppl tell me where i can read about the configuration of a 3g usb modem E620 ? .. I try some reads but can't find a solution [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-73-239.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] I have found the one on remote-exploit forums helpful for cellular wireless cards [07:19] that are 3g [07:19] i got mine working [07:19] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [07:19] not sure about using the actual phone though [07:19] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [07:19] do you remember the link? [07:20] let me look [07:21] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:21] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [07:21] fau_ (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [07:21] http://wiki.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Howto#Configure_an_EVDO_modem [07:22] actually [07:22] http://wiki.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Howto:EVDO [07:22] that is a direct link [07:22] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Client Quit [07:22] very thanks, i'll try this one [07:22] yep [07:22] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvs_@189.27.21.62.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:23] that was a pcmcia card btw [07:25] anybody here got splashy to work? [07:27] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:28] i'm actually curious about splashy too. would like to make it work. [07:28] NeggyXP (n=Neggy@cpe-65-189-206-221.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:28] am trying to figure out the startup scripts and where to put that in [07:28] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvs_@189.27.21.62.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [07:29] aren't you supposed to put it in the initrd? at least that's what i heard [07:29] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [07:29] that's the old bootsplash [07:29] she_dyed, http://slackwiki.org/Bootsplash [07:30] oh so splashy is only used in startup scripts? that's good. [07:30] grrr need 2.6 [07:31] kernel that is [07:31] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [07:31] the problem some guy stated was that it was kind of cumbersome to have to go to userspace when all you're doing is booting [07:31] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:31] she_dyed, you don't have 2.6? what kind of system do you use? :) [07:32] so for the spped demons out there, you'd rather NOT have it [07:32] this is runt zip a version of slack that runs off a stick [07:32] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [07:32] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:32] and it has 2.4 [07:32] umm ok [07:32] lol [07:33] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [07:34] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:35] i00nsu, do you think that will help with your device? [07:37] Neggy (n=Neggy@cpe-65-189-206-221.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [07:37] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:40] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [07:40] well is working.. what i dont understand is what login and apsswd they ask .. maby from the ISP login site? :s [07:40] fau_ (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:40] who is the carrier? [07:41] you cell carrier [07:42] tmn [07:42] not sure about them, i use verizon. [07:43] It wouldn't seem too hard to find though. [07:45] at windows machines this don't ask for any login/passwd .. so i don't get what to use [07:46] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-155-49.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@80.93.232.130) joined ##slackware. [07:47] hmm [07:47] hi all [07:47] morning:D [07:47] :) [07:47] Mornin' [07:47] i got breakfast in bed wahoo [07:47] i really don't know what to tell you. i don't know about that network bud. try googling it [07:48] NeggyXP (n=Neggy@cpe-65-189-206-221.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [07:48] ok [07:48] hey can any one help me out, I'm using sendmail and I'm trying to symlink the mailbox so it's in the user /home folder [07:48] i know for a while with my isp the login came up maybe check your preferences on your web browser setting [07:48] or is it not letting you go to any page? [07:49] but whenever I symlink and give the right permissions I and when I send a mail to the mailbox it makes a BOGUS file out of the symlink and creates another mailbox for the sam usr in /var/spool/mail [07:49] lol kernel too old [07:50] no splashy for you! [07:51] No splashy for who? [07:51] for me [07:52] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:52] IC [07:52] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [07:52] kernel 2,6 minimum [07:52] anyway moving on [07:55] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.158.127) joined ##slackware. [07:55] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [07:57] odelot (n=toledo@unaffiliated/toledo) joined ##slackware. [07:57] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) joined ##slackware. [07:59] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) joined ##slackware. [08:00] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.81.158) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [08:02] she_dyed, well you could build yourself a 2.6. [08:03] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:04] but am just getting used to installpkg! er, is that what you meant? [08:05] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:05] nope... i meant compiling a new kernel from scratch :) [08:06] from the 3g debug window I get this error: ATDT549684 what is the ATDT value ? [08:11] How would one mount a minisd card under slackware 12.2 ? [08:11] hello, I would like to get two fields from a text file and send them to htpasswd [08:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-155-49.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [08:12] actually I found the device /dev/sd but what format does a digital camera use to format sd cards ? [08:12] I am having a hard time with awk. I dont know programming, can I get some help [08:12] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:13] fevel: you can use cut command too [08:13] cut? [08:13] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:13] fevel: yes, baby [08:13] ok [08:13] ill take a look [08:13] fevel, cat file.txt | cut -d $1 $2 or something similar [08:13] man cut [08:13] then I just pipe htpasswd right? [08:13] what format is cameras minisd cards ? [08:13] ok [08:14] Greyhound- (n=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [08:15] nm [08:15] im an idiot [08:15] fat16 [08:15] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:15] yay [08:16] Greyhound- (n=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection reset by peer [08:17] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [08:18] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:19] Action: dionysian wonders how much of a performance increase he would be seeing if he was trying to optimize for his cpu when compiling [08:23] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4565762.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[08:43] duryodhan: anything, everything [08:43] I think compiling your kernel and setting the right config in the kernel config will help [08:43] but compiling general programs -- doubt that [08:43] kernel is a good test [08:43] whats your CPU ? [08:44] it's a first gen dual core [08:44] dionysian, recompiling your kernel gives you an instant performance boost. as far as other software, i don't think so. [08:44] dionysian, but you have to set it up correctly, it's a tricky thing [08:45] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE772C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:49] dionysian: hardly any advantage in normal software [08:49] kernel -- correct config will help _a lot_ [08:49] but normal software is usually i686 compiled ... doesn't help [08:49] what you can do is to check it your self .. [08:50] install gentoo and tell us in 2011 how much of a performance increase you got [08:50] :D [08:50] just do your kernel :) never mind for the software. 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[09:50] Da King Of TROllZ returned [09:50] omg, a mibbit user [09:51] Aloha trice brotha [09:51] thrice brotha'z [09:51] Wilkommt aus Veinland [09:51] nightf0x09 (n=nightf0x@vs13.vds03.best-hosting.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:51] alienBOB: looser alert [09:51] alienBOB heya brotha [09:52] choppye:D Welcome! [09:52] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Why I can not install the slackware to own machine? [09:55] because you lack intelligence [09:55] that requires actual braincells [09:55] and, from your language, the ability to read [09:55] HAH HAH. That made my morning. [09:55] you 2 didnt understood him [09:56] he want's to pwn machines [09:56] Is the Slackware installer translated? [09:56] I think the slackware not better choice to us [09:56] theblackbox (n=sam@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [09:56] direct him to some hacker distro [09:56] I don't think it's translated for trollz [09:57] NaCl: no [09:57] Looks gettextable. [09:57] The Trollz used ubuntu. Better for DA King! [09:57] nightf0x09 (n=nightf0x@vs13.vds03.best-hosting.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:57] Ongavezir: #remote-exploit likes people like you. [09:58] thrice holyness brotha why are you running away? [09:58] The penguin hunting started today again:D [09:58] nightf0x09 (n=nightf0x@vs13.vds03.best-hosting.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:58] nightf0x09 (n=nightf0x@vs13.vds03.best-hosting.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:59] Makes me wonder what the pipe in Slackware Tux's mouth does for his health. [09:59] ahaha [09:59] chopp brotha thanks [09:59] nightf0x09 (n=nightf0x@vs13.vds03.best-hosting.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:59] oh your welcome okay see ya [09:59] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [09:59] anyone have sound working [09:59] man, you would think in five years i would take the time to get it working [09:59] Works for me. [10:00] The slackware no reqires intel atom processor? [10:00] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.175.176) joined ##slackware. [10:00] i guess i need /dev/snd/dsp... which isnt present [10:00] I thinking about a few dozen penguin shit [10:01] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Connection timed out [10:01] Ongavezir: btw, BT also "might" (according to summary on DW) have ubuntu as base in the next version... so you'll continue to exist as a troll :) [10:01] going to be one of those days in ##slackware I see. [10:01] if you say his name backwards, he will explode [10:01] nah. mibbit will be banned shortly... or at least this user will :) [10:02] are you serious? thats terrible [10:02] The-spiki brotha why not? [10:02] about BT [10:02] Srbo_ (i=1000@p4FE91263.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:02] terrible for who? [10:03] just wierd that it would be based on ubuntu instead [10:03] m__: well, i have only read about that the beta version is ubuntu based... didn't try it (or check that othervise) [10:03] algol_ (n=algol@121.229.114.91) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:03] ahh [10:03] yeah i heard that bt will only be available on dvd too [10:03] *bt4 [10:03] Ongavezir: quit fucking pm'ing me. [10:04] lol [10:04] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:04] Many of the network packages in BT were made by checkinstall and given almost no description in them [10:04] well, the "only" bad thing about BT is that it attracts too many loosers... like this guy [10:04] chopp : are you so glad? [10:04] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [10:05] oh my gosh, what planet is he from man [10:05] The-spiki: Perhaps that (or something more general) should be noted in the topic [10:05] Ongavezir: I'll be glad when your sorry ass exits this channel/gets banned. [10:05] other than that... it's not like it's a bad thing high profile security distro is based on slackware... [10:06] chopp my darling why? [10:06] trust me brotha':D [10:06] I am da persident of LHA [10:07] please do not forget it [10:07] lemme guess, linux h4xor assh0l3s? [10:07] m__: probably needs more 1337 [10:07] yeah [10:09] Today I bought my first windows vista from Microsoft [10:09] I am so happy [10:09] awesome! can u send me a copy plz? [10:10] guys, guys, how to check my present TTY? :-) [10:10] Mad_Dud: did you try "tty" ? [10:10] you must be kidding me. [10:10] if only [10:10] ahaha :-D [10:10] oh shit [10:11] :> [10:11] I swear i learn something every time I'm in here. [10:11] :) [10:11] thank you, sir. [10:11] no problem :) [10:11] i was thinking about grepping /var/log/auth.log ;-D [10:11] no problem dude [10:14] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:16] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] theblackbox (n=sam@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [10:18] if lsmod shows a module wit hthe name of my sound card then the driver driver is ok, right [10:18] what issue are you having ? [10:18] no sound? [10:19] I will kill TUKS da fat linuks penguin, and I will eat delicious penguin-foods [10:19] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE903BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:20] yeah, none [10:20] Ongavezir: dude, hook me up with windows vista [10:20] thrice my little boy can I help you? [10:20] You are 12 years old now? [10:21] like i said, the module appears to be loaded. but there is no /dev/sound/dsp or /dev/snd/dsp. isn't that the required node? [10:21] did you try alsamixer as root m__ ? [10:21] You play with LEGO and Barbie dolls and Hellokitty?:) [10:21] yeah, the mixer levels are good [10:21] m__: make sure that nothing is MM [10:21] hrm [10:21] m__: does /dev/dsp exist? [10:21] m__: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2009-03-01 20:46 /dev/dsp [10:22] Gary (i=gary@freenode/staff/colchester-lug.gary) joined ##slackware. [10:22] if it does.. and has the configuration like the above.. make sure your user is in the audio group [10:22] Hello kitty [10:23] no man it doesnt. like i said i think thats the problem. im not too familiar with mknod tho - how do i know what major and minor numbers to use? is it the irq or somrthing [10:25] ahh there it is actually [10:25] k ill check the user [10:25] and be sure alsamixer reports your sound card, instead of, say, the pcspkr or something strange [10:26] yeah [10:26] hmm, yep - root, audio. btw, what is the "c" in the file type? that what you set eith mknod? [10:27] not sure [10:27] k [10:27] k lemme check alsamixer [10:27] you shouldn't have to create that link yourself... [10:27] trying to see... [10:27] nope i was wrong, its there [10:28] is rc.hald and rc.messagebus in /etc/rc.d +x ? [10:28] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:28] ahh, alsamixed DOES report the wrong card! [10:28] dunno if those would be related.. but you never know. [10:28] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [10:28] m__: DOH! [10:28] easy lads [10:28] phrag: eh? [10:28] easy what? :P [10:29] how do i change that? man alsamixer i guess [10:29] not this frikin code =P [10:29] hehe [10:29] XpliCT (n=rumenovs@77.29.189.88) joined ##slackware. [10:30] lhiz (n=lhiz@78.32.182.59) joined ##slackware. [10:30] j0z (n=JESUS@187.5.60.43) joined ##slackware. [10:31] lhiz (n=lhiz@78.32.182.59) left irc: Client Quit [10:31] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:32] Ongavezir (i=5062b254@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7d9a9a2cc6c82a98) left ##slackware. [10:33] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [10:34] ok, here's where i get confused man. to change the card alsamixer is using i have to specify the card number. what the hell is that? /dev/snd has files liek card1/pcmC1D1c, and its atext file that looks kinda like a config file for a script. by reading throught all the files in /dev/snd earlier i figured out that the C1D0 means card 1 subdevice 0 but i still dont know where to point alsamixer [10:34] and i think that maybe /dev/snd is using the onboard sound card instead of the one i want to use [10:35] Gary (i=gary@freenode/staff/colchester-lug.gary) left ##slackware. [10:35] What is the default mailserver installed on slackware 12.2? (postfix,sendmail,qmail, exim)? [10:35] baldguy (i=a14a0b1a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1698e456a92a8ef2) joined ##slackware. [10:35] hi. does slack provide some screen capture tool with standard distrib? [10:36] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [10:36] ##slackware: mode change '+d catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [10:36] Let's see if that works. [10:36] *mibbit* ? :) [10:36] baldguy: There is one in kde called ksnapshot [10:37] NaCl: good enough, thank you [10:37] thrice`: as much as I'd love to do that, no :/ [10:37] baldguy (i=a14a0b1a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1698e456a92a8ef2) left irc: Client Quit [10:37] baldguy: import from imagemagick too [10:37] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [10:37] Need to see if the bot can ban based on the "realname" field. [10:38] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:38] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Nick change: repsol_ -> adrenaline [10:39] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:43] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:43] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] slackboy, hey man [10:44] slackboy, what's up [10:44] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:45] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] hey, do you guys like white text on black bg (w-on-b), or the opposite (black text on white)? [10:45] i like white text on black [10:45] rworkman, what the default smtp server deamon in slackware ? [10:46] I just tried white text on black for first time.. my eyes can't take it. :x [10:47] alvin_lee (n=iuri@189.74.179.63) joined ##slackware. [10:47] alvin_lee (n=iuri@189.74.179.63) left ##slackware. [10:48] dusty: sendmail [10:48] Ficthe: I can't stand it the ohter way [10:48] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:48] thank you [10:48] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-279431da41294122) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009012111]" [10:48] rworkman, you can't stand black text on white? [10:48] correct [10:49] how do i get /dev/snd to use a differect card? [10:49] hmm. Well I did find out something today.. the holy grail [10:49] is the Terminus font [10:50] now I get all excited opening up vim and seeing my C code with syntax-hilighting and .. yes, in the gorgeous Terminus font. just beautiful :) [10:51] I use terminus as well [10:52] it seems lots of people use terminus in a small size.. that I have trouble with. [10:52] Action: m__ wants this terminus [10:53] m__, try alsaconf? [10:53] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. 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[11:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: [11:05] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] damn! i ran alsaconf but alsamixer still uses the onboard sound card after [11:05] as default [11:05] m__: remove the module for the onboard? [11:06] maybe you got to disable it in the bios? [11:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.220) left irc: No route to host [11:07] do i use insmod for that? [11:08] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [11:08] modprobe -r [11:08] thanks NaCl [11:08] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [11:12] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:13] hmm, says "FATAL module in use" [11:13] Modules have dependencies [11:14] so remoce the deps first [11:14] *remove [11:14] she_dyed (n=jazze17@adsl-144-83-64.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:15] That could work, although now that I think about it, I got a slightly different message when I tried to remove a module dep. [11:16] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] Hermaniette (i=1000@dhcp-198-247.nomad.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:17] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:18] "touch this and die..." ? [11:18] It's the auto-kernel-panic button! [11:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.32) joined ##slackware. [11:20] haha [11:23] fade-in (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Nick change: m__ -> noiseRX [11:27] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [11:27] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:31] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) joined ##slackware. [11:32] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [11:34] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host150-80-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:34] theblackbox (n=sam@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [11:35] why is in /kdei folder on slackware.iso some nutrcakcer virus..? i have checked it with md5sum and its ok; and avast antivirus on windows machine reads it as a nutracker. how is that possilbe? [11:36] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:36] TheBig (n=TheBig@147.162.98.138) joined ##slackware. [11:36] O.o [11:36] Must be some perfectly aligned binary [11:37] Guys, they're on to us. [11:38] ? [11:38] it is in file: slackware\kdei\kde-i18n-pa-3.5.10-noarch-1.tgz\kde-i18n-pa-3.5.10-noarch-1.tar\usr\share\locale\pa\LC_MESSAGES\kfile_sid.mo [11:38] nutcracker virus. never heard of that [11:39] me neither till now.. [11:39] pupit: try running it from windows and tell me if it kicked you in the nuts [11:39] pupit, is that per chance slackware 12.0 you're downloading? [11:39] Ficthe: 12.2 [11:40] The-spiki: behave [11:40] unlikely, kde is 3.5.10 [11:40] pupit, google does say that other people are also having this problem.. anyway, if the mdf5 sum okays it, just don't worry about it [11:40] HOW NOT TO WORRY [11:41] it is not expalined to my mind.. [11:41] btw, what are you doing in windows? i thought you knew better [11:41] The-spiki: Its my sister laptop...... [11:41] pupit: can i try to explain it to your mind? [11:41] pupit, anti-virus programs give false alerts all the time. [11:41] antler: shot! [11:42] Ficthe: i know.. [11:42] pupit, this is one such alert. Let's connect some dots and learn not to worry, eh? [11:43] the AV found it "similar" to some virus (by whatever algorithm it used for checking at that time)... that's it :) [11:43] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] The-spiki: it was found on slackware 10.1 iso too [11:44] http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=12927.0 [11:44] pupit: given that you downloaded the iso from an official mirror, that slackware has been around for more than 10 years, that it's a reputable distribution, your worry that the creator of slackware injected a virus into a file is not founded. [11:44] lol .mo files are plain text ! >< [11:44] think AS (av = antivirus, as = antispam)... some email's that are not spam are being recognized/marked by spam... it happens... [11:45] antler, im just worried.. [11:45] antler, and not only a virus, a windows one on a linux system ;) [11:46] pupit: i know you are, but it's not warranted in this case. [11:46] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't know what locale pa is though [11:46] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] (or as Camarade_Tux would have me say "unwarranted" as opposed to "not warranted") [11:46] panama [11:46] dude :) [11:47] pupit, well, you can always a) not use that specific kde 3.5 noarch package, or b) not use slackware if you're worried [11:47] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:47] wxPython takes foeva to build [11:47] antler, I'm not that picky ;p [11:47] Ficthe: arent u smart guy... [11:47] pupit, thx!!! ^.^ [11:47] or not install kdei at all which should be "normal" (you don't want 400MB of localizations for 150+ languages on your system)... install *sr* latter [11:47] :D [11:48] The-spiki, pa.wikipedia.org looks like it's not [11:48] it could rather be pakistan [11:48] pupit: no, he's right; you're making way too much of this [11:48] but I really don't know [11:48] Action: Camarade_Tux has some work to do [11:48] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] pakistans is .pk or more properly .ur [11:48] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.199.245) joined ##slackware. [11:49] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:49] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Camarade_Tux: you are correct. .pa is only ccTLD for Panaba... pa in kdei is for Punjabi just checked [11:50] ok guys, thanks. I shall rest in peace.. after supper... [11:50] Language-Team: Punjabi [11:50] correct. that punjabi nutcrackers.. [11:50] :D [11:51] i wouldn't be surprised if it took less time to WRITE wxpython than it does to compile it [11:53] pupit: you might also take comfort in knowing that although he's not perfect, it's unlikely that a virus managed to sneak past pat :P [11:54] antler, heretic, pat *is* perfect ! [11:57] ^ yoda talk? tux, comrade [11:58] Camarade_Tux: he will vanquish thee from thine; therefore he shall he must [11:58] omg wxPythong is STILL compiling [11:59] mmmmmmm.....thongs..... [11:59] Action: BP{k} reads through the scrolldesk and headdesks repeatedly at the virus thing [11:59] The Moon is Waxing Crescent (32% of Full) [11:59] hmm i could swear it should be full moon. [12:00] warning: your linux disk may contain a false positive for a windows virus! [12:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [12:00] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.213) joined ##slackware. [12:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:02] That reminds me.... [12:02] I remember Pat saying one time about the state of anti-virus on Windows. Many of the AV providers were hitting on ZipSlack as a virus, even though those disks hadn't ever even touched a Windows machine. [12:03] who is pat? [12:03] HAHA [12:03] Srbo_ (i=1000@p4FE91263.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] antler, hmmmmmm, I'm sure you're right :D [12:04] dionysian, god :D [12:04] pat is trey anastasio? [12:05] omg [12:05] dionysian: BDFL. Besides, I already told you the answer to that question a while back. [12:05] Why do I find it fitting that the man who doesn't know who Pat is in ##slackware has an IRC nick named for the god of intoxication? [12:06] heh [12:06] hahah [12:06] Alan_Hicks: actually i got the name from the birth of tragedy, but that works, too [12:06] hi so bear with me here ... I have a laptop and a desktop .. for various reasons the desktop is on windows xp and has utorrent running a lot with webui enabled .. when I use the net on my laptop, I set the torrent d/l limit to 1-2 KBps , [12:07] but many a times I doze off without resetting the max d/l speed back to high [12:07] woooooooooow [12:07] god of intoxication? ... meh.. [12:07] how do I write some sort of script that checks if computer has been idle for say 15 mins and then set max d/l speed back to high [12:07] BP{k}: you must have told somebody else [12:07] (i.e how do I execute a script when my computer has been idle for 15 mins) [12:07] on windows? [12:08] no slackware [12:08] from my laptop which has slackware [12:08] theblackbox (n=sam@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [12:08] The hardest part of that is determining exactly what idle is. [12:08] sozo____ (i=sozonko@xs3.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:08] idle === not much network access for 15 mins [12:08] rizitis_ (n=rizitis@athedsl-4562991.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:08] and for now do whatever arbitrary reasonable thing about how much is not much [12:08] In this case, you can't really use load averages and the like to determine this, because your load is actually network based and not processor based. [12:09] yeah [12:09] Really the best way to do this would be to maintain some sort of queue on your firewall rather than let the client do this. [12:09] dionysian: oh ah, indeed. My apologies. :) [12:09] Xaviertoor (n=Xavierto@189-015-113-076.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:10] gkrellm lets me trigger an event on High limit .. but not on low [12:10] Alan_Hicks: I thought just setting my router to give more priority to my laptop''s mac would work but it doesn't [12:10] just script it to reset to "high" at a time during the night that you KNOW nothing else is going on... [12:10] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "leaving" [12:10] I think its cos of the way bittorrent works .. it creates so many connections - that even at low priority it still sucks all the bandwidth [12:11] nah [12:11] mbhayes: worst case scenario [12:11] I will have to do that [12:11] I've had bittorrent running at home for days with both download and upload locked [12:11] locked ? [12:11] and they never went above what I set it at [12:11] Alan_Hicks: how do you change what soundcard is assigned to /dev/dsp? [12:11] Yeah you lock it down IN the bittorrent client iself [12:11] mbhayes: yeah thats exactly what I don't want to do [12:12] ah [12:12] cos then it never uses the spare bandwidth [12:12] Well, you can't trully control download speeds.. [12:12] even when I am not using it [12:12] you can the upload... [12:12] but not the download [12:12] s/trully/truly [12:12] mbhayes: i just pause it when I start using my laptop and unpause it when I am done .. this is possible cos of the webui in utorrent [12:12] its really easy to do that remotely [12:13] aye [12:13] However, I'm just stating that if you're trying to control download bandwidth in a router.. it probably won't work properly. [12:14] no .. Alan_Hicks suggested that I solve this by maintaining a priority queue or something at the firewall/router [12:14] which I said didn't work for me [12:14] right [12:14] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:14] I came in half-way through the conversation.. still trying to catch up [12:14] duryodhan, maybe you can get something with the screensaver mechanism : instead of running the screensaver, it could start another command [12:14] hrm.. [12:15] maybe check ps aux output for "screensaver" or something... [12:15] umm it won't be nice .. but ok lets for the sake of it .. how will i do that ? [12:15] HexTasy (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:15] fluxbox btw [12:15] if it matters [12:15] checkout xscreensaver-command [12:15] anyone have any idea what SCSI driver I'm supposed to use for the QLogic ISP1040B SCSI card? [12:16] HexTasy: your name cool [12:16] thanks [12:16] np [12:16] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-021b6a47a116c648) joined ##slackware. [12:16] uggh yeah that won't be fun.. [12:17] party in #slax [12:17] duryodhan, "xscreensaver-command -time | grep 'non-blanked'" [12:17] or whatever other info you can dig from it [12:17] HexTasy:did you google the model [12:17] XDS2010: why party? [12:17] yeah [12:18] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:18] noiseRX: I have, lots of support for 2.2 drivers, but not so much for 2.6 [12:18] but I don't really like that .. I would rather do just "at 2am turn on bittorrent" [12:18] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196896.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still, the whol [12:18] hmm.. [12:19] i just don't see it in the kernel config [12:19] there's a driver for the ISP20XX series [12:20] hmm mrtg looks interesting [12:21] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4556208.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [12:21] the drivers for 2.2 wont work [12:21] ? [12:22] noiseRX: they're not even in the kernel [12:23] fubar [12:23] sozo____ (i=sozonko@xs3.xs4all.nl) left irc: Client Quit [12:23] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) joined ##slackware. [12:23] old card? [12:23] yea somewhat, from 95 [12:23] I had an adaptec card, but the 2.6 was broken for that one too :( [12:24] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] dang bro, i dont know [12:25] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:25] i had an adaptec controller on 2.4 once [12:25] yea it works fine on 2.4 [12:26] but apparently it gives errors for 2.6 [12:26] :X [12:26] Nick change: rizitis_ -> rizitis [12:26] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [12:26] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:29] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@afa96.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:29] lame [12:29] and I'm going to assume that the QLogice ISP4XXX drivers won't work for the ISP1040 [12:31] ady (n=kinkajou@212.183.134.131) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [12:32] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:32] dionysian: YOu get your sound thing figured out? [12:34] mbhayes: it's not perfect yett [12:34] *yet [12:35] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [12:35] i can generally get it to work now [12:36] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.49.238) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:37] mbhayes: i'm still having a couple issues playing with some of the console audio programs that came with slackware [12:38] specifically, it will play at something lik 1/2 or 3/4 speed [12:38] a sample rate issue [12:38] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:39] mpd/ncmpc and mocp can both output sound to the usb headphones at the proper sample rate, though [12:39] in which cases, it works well [12:39] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:39] good [12:40] you can try mpg321 from command line to test an mp3.. see if that samples any better as well [12:40] that's what i mean [12:40] ah ok [12:40] that plays real slow [12:40] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Reached (n=jeremiah@24.238.92.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] i've got it to the point that i can deal with it and move on to more pressing matters [12:41] Greetings! [12:41] it's not flawless, but i'll tackle it if i'm super bored one day [12:42] hi Reached [12:42] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-179-64.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:45] vor (n=s@bzq-79-183-133-203.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:46] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] ady (n=kinkajou@212.183.134.131) left ##slackware. [12:55] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:55] ok so I got a SCSI card that'll work. now is there any way to mount the drives without rebooting? [12:56] rescan-scsi-bus shows the drive, but I can't mount it :( [12:56] lsscsi show the drives? [12:56] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:487) joined ##slackware. [12:56] yes [12:56] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: "Saliendo" [12:56] oh. hm [12:56] hang on [12:56] HexTasy: fdisk -l too? [12:57] fdisk -l shows a different drive on hdb [12:57] kinda odd [12:58] mount return what? [12:58] Reached (n=jeremiah@24.238.92.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: [12:58] Reached (n=jeremiah@24.238.92.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:58] mount: /dev/sdb: can't read superblock [12:59] oh shit [12:59] Reached (n=jeremiah@24.238.92.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [12:59] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:59] rworkman: I'm tring to download your source of xfce 4.6 from rsync. when I do a rsync rlworkman.net::12.2/sources/ I get an error about too many levels of symbolic links (40). [13:00] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:00] HexTasy: try doing a fsck on that drive. [13:00] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:01] no dice [13:01] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [13:03] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.213) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] oh, I think it was a bad drive :( [13:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [13:05] epic failz [13:06] edman007|work (n=edman007@ool-44c286d0.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:50] accidental logout. shit [13:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [13:52] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:52] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:54] TheBig (n=TheBig@147.162.98.138) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] how can you accidentally log out huh? [13:55] ok i will try [13:55] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:55] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-143-231-251.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Connection timed out [13:55] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-143-231-251.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] nego viaja [13:58] hey quick question: is it possible to run two or more instances of a wm/de for two (or more) users (same or different) on the same x server? [13:58] yes, baby [13:58] startx -- :1 ..2...3 [13:58] oh nice [13:58] thanks odelot [13:59] omg that is soo cool :D [13:59] haha [13:59] this is Linux baby ... [13:59] :) [13:59] mac-: i'm running minix [14:00] TiberiusXXIXV (n=Tiberius@41-208-48-164.mtn.co.za) joined ##slackware. [14:00] vor (n=s@bzq-79-183-133-203.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: [14:00] j/k .... [14:00] yeah, I guess that after type 'startx -- :1 ..2 ...3' on windows cmd you shoudn`t get two or more running X sessions xD [14:01] odelot (n=toledo@unaffiliated/toledo) left irc: "buh!" [14:03] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] tronicggg (n=tronic@p5B0BD7CA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.134.83) left irc: Connection timed out [14:06] hi [14:06] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:07] hi [14:07] doe anyone se openproj ? [14:07] does anyone use openproj ? [14:08] I have a problem with the local settings and am unable to alter the settings in the project [14:08] tronicggg (n=tronic@p5B0BD7CA.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [14:09] I need to change it from displaying $ to R [14:09] wtf is openproj? [14:10] eh.. project management software.. so how is this related to Slackware? [14:10] he he mmm project management [14:10] like microsoft project [14:11] mmm ok you have a point , its not related to slackware [14:11] josemanuel (n=josemanu@29.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:14] TiberiusXXIXV: https://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=199315 <-- Help forums for OpenProj [14:14] thanx jkwood will check it out [14:14] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.154.125.163) joined ##slackware. [14:14] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.175.176) left irc: "back later" [14:15] why can't i figure out rsync? i must be a moron. [14:16] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [14:16] why would this delete the files and recopy them every time? isn't -t and -u supposed to take care of that? rsync -vrptgou --delete --exclude="*.nfo" --exclude="*.jpg" --exclude="*.bmp" "$SOURCE" "$DESTINATION" [14:17] ohhh. you know i think it's because of -p. I'm copying to a fat32 system... [14:17] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:18] I usually just use -a [14:19] isi (n=tronic@p5B0BF094.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Network is unreachable [14:19] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Connection timed out [14:19] Kaapa, sure, but why should it make a difference? [14:20] Kaapa, it still deletes them with -a. [14:20] I have no clue, I don even know what are the thousand options you have there [14:21] Kaapa, is there something about fat32? it just can't do it for some reason? [14:21] it shouldn't [14:21] just try with rsync -av [14:21] i did just not [14:21] w/o the others? [14:21] now*, and it deletes first then copies from the beginning [14:22] dunno then [14:23] hiptobecubic: rsync -rv rsync_mirror /final/destination works for me [14:24] antler, won't that overwrite everytime because the timestamps are different? [14:24] not for me [14:24] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-143-231-251.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:25] I'd need some video from imdb which is probably only available from germany, can anyone help me download it ? ( http://akas.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2566193433/ ) = ) [14:25] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-143-231-251.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] paissad (n=paissad@89.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:25] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] why is it only available in germany? [14:26] slava_dp, you asked beej71 how he managed to accidentaly logout but do you remember http://noobfarm.org/?id=1392 ? ;p [14:27] Nick change: losesome_ -> losesome [14:27] tank-man, I get "This video is not available in your country. " and since it's a german film I guess so [14:27] (I only need it for something in german class) [14:28] goon12 (n=goon12@68-112-231-226.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Camarade_Tux: This video is not available in your country. <---- for me [14:31] Nick change: fade-in -> fadein [14:32] Nick change: fadein -> fade-in [14:32] Nick change: fade-in -> fadein [14:33] I hate those stupid "rights" [14:34] TiberiusXXIXV (n=Tiberius@41-208-48-164.mtn.co.za) left irc: "Leaving" [14:34] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [14:34] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-018-105.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Camarade_Tux: what's the name of the film? [14:35] Camarade_Tux: vi2566193433 site:imdb.com [14:35] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:35] go to cached site [14:35] Camarade_Tux: they have to fight for their right to .... [14:35] Action: mtu pokes alienBOB - your trucrypt slackbuild just ran into a brick wall on my machine [14:35] the first line is what you need to put in the search box on google [14:36] tell me if it works. i'm curious [14:37] The-spiki, it's still being blocked [14:37] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:37] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.154.125.163) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:37] (you might get redirected to another server) [14:37] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:37] ok. use some open proxy then [14:37] paissad (n=paissad@121.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] does anybody know what the alsa-plugins build on sbo is for? [14:38] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [14:38] The-spiki, actually the cached site seems to work [14:38] :) [14:38] razel (n=rpg@99.253.170.115) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:38] er [14:38] the one in the queue [14:38] ql [14:39] Camarade_Tux: what is the name of the film? [14:39] Im trying to understand this xephyr slackbuild. http://rafb.net/p/mypF7132.html ... so according to line 99, if i build this on my desktop but only want to install the pkg on my laptop; it will delete files from my desktop? [14:40] tank-man: No, it only deletes stuff from the package directory. [14:41] ok, i see it now [14:41] thanks for the input [14:45] dionysian, Der Tunnel [14:46] The-spiki, there's something quite easy actually : append 'player' to the address being blocked, you'll get what you want :) [14:46] http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2566193433/ -> http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2566193433/player [14:47] alienBOB: nvm that, my fault for not having fuse installed [14:47] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-018-105.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lurc - the irc client with a name that doesn't mean anything." [14:47] unknown2 (i=1000@cable-89-216-181-4.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:49] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:50] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [14:51] anybody familiar with avidemux? [14:52] Camarade_Tux: nice 1 [14:53] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:53] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic [14:54] The-spiki, I think they deserve this year award for the worst "protection" [14:54] unknown2 (i=1000@cable-89-216-181-4.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "..." [14:55] I know, the year is far from being over but I feel nobody will beat them [14:55] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-143-231-251.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:55] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] howdy [14:55] Camarade_Tux, yeah, thanks for reminding me about that quote :-D it's really educational :) [14:55] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-143-231-251.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. 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[15:21] cubas: the mysql user's home is /var/lib/mysql [15:21] if I "#su mysql" nothing happens [15:22] I'm still root [15:22] su - mysql [15:22] just like rc.mysqld states [15:22] cubas: the user 'mysql' in /etc/passwd is not the same as the database account 'mysql' that is using inside MmmySQL [15:22] the mysql user probably (hopefully) doesn't have a shell [15:22] Ah misunderstood [15:23] hackedhead, aha, I didn't know there are users without rights to have shell [15:23] thank you [15:23] /etc/passwd will show you that [15:24] /bin/false, I was wondering what does it mean a year or so :) [15:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:25] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:26] but if you leave it free, ending with its home directory [15:26] it gets a shell [15:27] postgres:x:209:209::/var/lib/pgsql: [15:27] and postgres has a shell [15:29] which is fair enough :) [15:31] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:33] g'day [15:34] Action: antler stabs the price of 1gb ddr 184-pin ram in the butt hole with a rambo knife [15:34] heh [15:35] Action: NyteOwl glad he filled up while the exchange rate was good :) [15:35] so avidemux is completely unusable [15:35] grah [15:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:36] Action: NyteOwl kicks insurance company in the balls [15:36] no shit huh [15:37] sent a reminder notice (never received the original notice) dated Feb 15, due Feb 10 arrived today ... [15:38] How can such an inefficient industry generate such huge profits? it boggles the mind [15:38] [15:39] insurance companies are professional rapists [15:39] agreed [15:40] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.252) left irc: "Leaving." [15:40] I was curious so I used an online quote to see what the insurance on a new car would be ... over $600 more than my current premiums [15:40] and less coverage [15:40] sheesh [15:40] mind you I can't afford the new car so it was a moot exercise. still .. [15:41] Just the car to offend a certain enviro-nut neighbour [15:41] Action: NyteOwl is environemntally conscious but there are limits to zealotry [15:42] you guys suck [15:42] SUCK [15:42] JerrySabor^ (n=root@63-149-142-34.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "BitchX: Now available for the Gibson" [15:42] DeeeeP (i=0@bl11-181-72.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Action: dive tries to stop sucking [15:43] what was that all about? [15:43] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [15:43] search me [15:44] Action: NyteOwl sucks lots - milk shakes, popsicles, the gf ... [15:44] errr [15:44] little bit too much info there mate [15:44] lol [15:44] the grape fruit [15:44] :P [15:44] ah ic [15:45] right - time to go get supplies [15:49] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [15:49] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:50] jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:487) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:51] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:51] TiberiusXXIXV (n=Tiberius@41-208-48-160.mtn.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:52] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:03] on the ftp site [16:03] ok a question regarding that, because I am aware of that [16:03] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/testing/packages/kde4/README [16:03] shoot ;-) [16:03] {ht,f}tp actually. [16:03] "the build order" is the same used in the main KDE.Slackbuild script [16:03] where can I find that slackbuild script [16:04] teknik0s: in the source/ directory? [16:04] in source/kde [16:04] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] thx [16:04] dionysian: testing/source/kde actually more likely. [16:05] teknik0s: any reason you want to compile KDE from scratch instead of using the packages? [16:05] The original question was to install KDE 4.2 [16:05] I would prefer the packages [16:06] just use the packages? [16:06] teknik0s: then follow the README and use the packages. [16:06] ok, then get the deps/ and kde/, and upgradepkg --isntall-new deps/*.tgz kde/*.tgz [16:06] installpkg* since KDE 3.5 isnt on here right [16:06] deps/ [16:06] which, the readme clearly states (that you have read) [16:06] what is deps/ [16:07] dionysian: a directory. [16:07] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:07] i've never seen a deps/ [16:07] it contains packages of things needed to make KDE4 run. [16:07] oh it's a kde4 thing [16:07] Look better! [16:07] i think i look fine [16:07] dionysian: I am sure Pat thought it was better than writing "DIRECTORYTHATCONTAINSSTUFFTOMAKEKDE4RUNSOITWONTFAIL" [16:07] The instructions are clear to anyone who can use a computer [16:08] mmm i think the deps are packaged in the testing directory as well [16:08] Of course [16:08] teknik0s: they are. [16:08] KDE4 is in testing... specific deps are also in testing [16:08] Yea im going through the README at the moment [16:08] KDEeeee4 extragear is _also_ in /testing [16:08] s/teknik0s/TiberiusXXIXV/ ,, tab: 568233578127 - BP{k}: 0 [16:08] yeah i don't think you can screw up unless you install kde4 [16:08] Stupid sticky keyboard [16:09] You will not screw up installing KDE4 [16:10] is KDEeeee4 for Eeepc? ;) [16:10] lol [16:10] if you have installed kde4, you have screwed up [16:10] ...... [16:10] A matter of opinion, that [16:10] what an entirely silly opinion. [16:10] alienBOB: i know [16:10] chopp: the secret is out! [16:11] don't you mean seeeeecret? [16:11] i'm not a fan of kde4 [16:11] Action: alienBOB screwed up big time then, because not only did he install it, he built the packages too [16:11] i might be in a few versions, when it's usable [16:11] Action: rworkman is feeling like an early screwup. [16:11] ;-) [16:11] dionysian: is use it every day, for more than half a year now [16:11] rworkman: hehe .. wouldn't that be called "Ambitious"? [16:11] I don't use it but I will check it out [16:12] Action: jkwood must have screwed up when he started with pre-4.0 [16:12] goon12 (n=goon12@68-112-231-226.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:12] BP{k}: or something like that :) [16:12] alienBOB: s/usable/usable for me/ [16:12] Better dionysian [16:12] It's not usable for *me* either - but that doesn't make it bad. [16:12] Define useable? [16:12] However, it's more usable for me than kde3. [16:12] alienBOB: quick questions on kmail. can you sign emails? [16:12] pprkut: hrm, I've not tried it yet on kde4. [16:13] i thought 4.2 was ok ;-) [16:13] I don't use kmail :/ [16:13] its definately getting there [16:13] alienBOB: runs well, mostly bug free, includes kde apps i have grown fond of, etc [16:13] I'm googling for the error I get a day now and it gives me reports from 2003 O_o [16:13] when those qualifications are met, i'll be happy [16:14] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:15] rworkman: I like kmail a lot, but this signing issue is a bummer :( might be the right time to try mailody..... [16:15] pprkut: try claws ;) [16:16] gtk :( [16:16] what is the opinion on thunderbird ? [16:16] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4562991.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "ta leme" [16:16] seems OK to me, for a GUI client ... which isn't my chosen path [16:17] I support alot of people that use it though [16:17] pprkut: I do not use kmail but I will have a look [16:17] noiseRX (n=m@c-67-161-211-119.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:17] alienBOB: thanks :) [16:17] I use thunderbird on Linux as well as on Windows [16:17] TiberiusXXIXV: Thunderbird should work well. [16:17] About two years ago, Thunderbird was the only email client I got along with. [16:17] i use thunderbird too [16:18] thunderbird seems prettly slowly developed these days :( [16:18] ok guys - I think I may have created the most important bash script of my life so far [16:18] ;-) [16:18] dive: does it undo pregnancy? [16:18] dive, show us [16:18] lol [16:18] it tells you subgenius holidays [16:18] echo "I am god" [16:18] dive: If it's youtube-dl, it's been done. [16:18] "sudo poweroff" ? [16:18] or the next one coming [16:18] haha [16:18] Celebrate Next SubGenius Holiday: March 17 The Feast of the Blessed Leprechaun [16:19] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] :-) [16:19] i like thunderbird [16:20] I think I would drop to console clients before trying thunderbird [16:21] I use mutt - absolutely <3 it [16:21] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-021b6a47a116c648) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [16:21] mutt ftw indeed [16:22] ok just a ? here if you are using a console to view mail and you recieve a pdf ? [16:22] I love kmail. I hurts that I have to think about switching.... [16:23] what viewer do you use to read it ? [16:23] TiberiusXXIXV: save it to the filesystem, and call xpdf to view it [16:23] lhiz (n=lhiz@78.32.182.59) joined ##slackware. [16:23] TiberiusXXIXV, pdftotxt [16:23] ahh ok my bad ;-) [16:23] TiberiusXXIXV: pdftotxt works great too [16:23] no good for images though [16:24] lhiz (n=lhiz@78.32.182.59) left irc: Client Quit [16:25] TiberiusXXIXV: actually, I view my mail remotely on my home server, so I don't have to worry about sync'ing up different "collections" of mail ... if I'm remote, I either pdftotext or I transfer the file locally to view it - sometimes I can connect to a VNC server if I have alot of GUI stuff to do on my home machine from remote, but I try to avoid that [16:27] and that's the beauty of console+ssh [16:27] TiberiusXXIXV: sshfs is a *really* cool tool to do on-demand ops on remote data from locally [16:27] dive: indeed [16:28] mmm midnight oil is burning low and coffee is in order ;-) [16:29] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:30] the way I look at is this: most things you with email/irc/newsgroups involve text so why not use text based clients? [16:30] ie mutt/irssi/slrn [16:31] dive: indeed - I'd even go so far as to say the same thing with most information in general ... most graphical info is superfluous/optional [16:31] but gpm mouse has its uses for copy/paste of course [16:31] ... with obvious exceptions, of course - still a minority of the case [16:31] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-123.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:31] i missed out elinks from that list [16:31] mmm i see though i must admit im more slave to gui than console [16:32] those console apps are _very_ powerful [16:32] Action: NyteOwl has a large e-mail archive to migrate from Eudora to his Linux box [16:32] where is the best place to download the tgz files for KDE [16:32] gonna e a pPITA [16:33] NyteOwl: sympathies [16:33] teknik0s: any Slackware mirror [16:33] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:33] local directory? is there a specific place slackware likes them [16:33] dive, are u going to show us your bash script ? [16:34] teknik0s: you mean a location to store them? Any directory is OK [16:34] teknik0s: Since you'll be running installpkg on them, just put them somewhere you can get to them. [16:34] So do i need to save the tgz files, or am I ok to delete them ? [16:34] after i install [16:34] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:34] DeeeeP, needs some testing cos I just (think) I fixed a bug, but it's called 'sub' and it's here: [16:34] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts [16:34] Delete after install if you'd like. [16:34] you will also need to subgenius.dates file too [16:35] brb [16:35] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [16:35] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] what is subgenius days ? :o [16:36] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Subgenius [16:37] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/court-self-incrimination-privilege-stops-with-passwords.ars [16:37] ... or http://www.subgenius.com [16:37] so how do they plan to force someone to tell the password? [16:38] tickle them with spam [16:38] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:39] i'm not some pedo or anything, i just encrypted my disks because of my personal information as well as client data. I'd never tell anyone my encryption passphrases or give them my keys [16:39] i'd laugh at them [16:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:39] until you're tickled with spam ... beware :) [16:39] lol [16:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:40] i'd give them my laptop and say 'have fun' [16:40] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@stu234-138.bard.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:41] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:41] encryption is the only way to keep powers balanced [16:41] is patrick a member or church of sub-genius ? [16:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] he's a subgenius affiliate [16:42] i'm sure the government can decrypt it [16:42] member? he's an archbishop [16:43] supercomputers = fried laptop [16:43] dionysian: they can try but they won't have the help of my keys [16:43] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-123.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [16:43] the nsa probably has some sick tools for that [16:44] as far as we all know, twofish is secure [16:44] twofish?/ [16:44] i don't use AES [16:45] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [16:45] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twofish [16:45] pprkut: what was your issue with email signing in kmail? [16:45] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:46] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] dios_mio (i=test@88.236.179.201) joined ##slackware. [16:47] interesting nullboy [16:48] this is what AES uses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijndael [16:48] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:49] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "my heart will go on" [16:49] alienBOB: bad passphrase [16:49] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:50] pprkut: so you solved it [16:50] no [16:50] I installed a new kernel and through the pkgtool removed the old kernel stuff -- Now /usr/include/asm is gone? - wtf, where did it go, and how do I get it back? [16:51] Thurin1: you removed every package that mentioned the stock kerenl? [16:51] alienBOB: it doesn't ask for a passphrase, so it always takes either none or a false one [16:51] Thurin1: including the headers? [16:51] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:51] nullboy: Yes, everything [16:51] never touch the kernel headers that the system was compiled against. [16:51] I see [16:51] those always stay the same. [16:51] put the stock headers back [16:51] Thurin1, try reinstalling the pkges you removed [16:52] Ok [16:52] alienBOB: I get a similar error if I try to edit my gpg keys in kleopatra [16:52] what set are the headers in again? - K is source [16:52] Thurin1: why did you remove a kernel using pkgtool? [16:53] pprkut: hm, here it works [16:53] mbhayes: because I compiled a new kernel and did not want the old ones taking up space for no reason [16:53] you want the kernel-headers package btw [16:53] But, I run gpg-agent too [16:53] Thurin1: there are in d [16:53] they* [16:53] mbhayes: Ok [16:53] I always leave at least + 1 just in case.. so alway shave the old working kernel [16:54] alienBOB: hmm, that might be it. I don't, but do neither in kde3 and it works there :( [16:54] Thurin1: problem is it appears yu removepkg kernel* ;) [16:54] even still, the system kernel headers are not to be changed unless you reboot strap the system [16:54] re-bootstrap* [16:54] nullboy: yeah he's saying he removepkg the kernel.. I"m guessing he did: removepkg kernel* [16:55] yeah [16:55] which.. in essence.. would remove kernel-headers [16:55] Ok, that's fixed I can 'make menuconfig' again [16:55] it would get it all [16:55] yep [16:55] Well.. I learned a lesson today.. I did not know that you had to keep the older header files [16:55] Well, unless they change in Slackware.. no reason to touch them. [16:55] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Or at least no reason to change them unless you know what you're doing/have a good reason to :P [16:55] Thurin1: the system's main function libraries are compiled against the kernel headers [16:56] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] if you change them without recompiling glibc you can have problems if the new kernel changed any API stuff [16:57] i think there was a flame fest about this on lkml [16:57] I remember something of the sort in the LFS book when I went through that... [16:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:57] Anyways, thanks - and lesson learned ;) [16:57] ;) [16:58] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [16:58] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:00] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:12] oops sorry unintended ping :| [17:13] i have a mouse with silent mode activated [17:13] i have touchpad ;) [17:13] i have both ;p [17:13] same [17:13] plus a nipple [17:14] lol [17:14] ^) [17:14] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "laterz" [17:15] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:16] those tiny tracking sticks (nipples?). are they patented by ibm or what? no other laptop maker cares to ship one. [17:16] ? [17:16] woot new client needs data recovery! [17:16] chachachaching [17:16] i think the earier laptops had them before the touchpad was invented - ibm still make them [17:17] $$$€€€£££ [17:17] utf8 console is sooo nice [17:17] slava_dp: I have one, and this is a Dell. [17:17] yeah utf8 rocks [17:18] oh so dells have them too.... just not my acer %) [17:18] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] it's no loss [17:18] i never use it [17:18] pad is much friendlier but there are people who swear by them for gimp [17:19] my d620 has a touchpad and a stick [17:19] I could probably get more use out of it for gaming if I would force myself to use it. [17:19] they say 'it's more accurate'but I've never found that [17:19] even with a touchpad and a pointer stick i still use my bluetooth mouse more [17:19] lol [17:20] yeah mouse is just so much easier and seems to feel right [17:21] I have a friend who is mouseless - I must dig out one for him to see how much easier life is [17:21] windows user [17:21] got meself a tiny mouse too. just a wired one with a retractable wire [17:21] slava_dp: I have a such a tracking thing on my HP [17:21] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [17:21] jkwood, thanx for the link earlier, turned out that I had to change the locale of the machine. Project now displays the correct currency. [17:22] since my laptop has bluetooth built in i bought a Microsoft Bluetooth notebook mouse 5000. it came with just the mouse so no dongle needed on laptops with built in BT [17:22] works great [17:22] TiberiusXXIXV: =D [17:22] in fact it's the best mouse i've ever had [17:22] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [17:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:22] nullboy, shouldn't support M$. even ther hardware ;) [17:23] ms brands good hardware though [17:23] their mice are good [17:23] i've even thrown this one across the room multiple times [17:23] nullboy, i agree there [17:23] i know. it's just a political issue :) [17:23] that's the only bad thing about wireless mice...you can *really* throw them [17:23] lol [17:24] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060040ca732372.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:24] and my wired retractable mouse can hang on the side of my laptop while i carry it around the office. [17:26] so no one used 4.6.0? i've looked at the tutorial on xfce.org and honestly didn't find so many improvements to force me to switch from 4.4.3 [17:27] Lots of people are using 4.6. [17:27] i always wait until stuff like that hits the main package set in -current before i try it [17:27] thrice` is, and so is rworkman. [17:27] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060040ca732372.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:27] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [17:27] yeah I'm using it too although a couple of annoyances - but I moaed about them enough [17:28] i'm just curious if it's worth upgrading [17:28] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [17:28] Action: slava_dp didn't hear dive's moans [17:28] no menu editor and no way to revert back to the 'old' apps menu on right click [17:29] mmm 4.4 here to [17:29] apart from that it looks good [17:29] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [17:29] obviously lack of menu editor can be a big problem [17:29] mmm any quick way to generate a menu, [17:29] how do add to it? [17:29] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:30] you could perhaps write a .desktop and put it somewhere :) [17:30] xfce4-menueditor [17:30] or you could just bring up the menu editor in settings and add stuff [17:31] they maybe in 4.8 [17:31] so there is a menu editor [17:31] s/they/they say/ [17:31] yup ;-) [17:31] er nope [17:31] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] this is a silly problem; i can't delete old backups fast enough [17:32] it takes quite a while to delete 160GB files on ext3 [17:32] xfs ftw [17:32] er yes [17:32] format not an option [17:32] yeah maybe if you measure in micro secs [17:32] slava_dp: It takes even LONGER to delete them on xfs. [17:32] multiple backup sets on the volume [17:32] xfs is fast for write and read, slow for delete. [17:33] really? i thought xfs is for large files.... [17:33] it is sposed to be [17:33] hmm.... reiserfs ftw =) [17:33] dont make deleting a million small files quicker though [17:33] i actually read a whole write up about this problem. i forget the case study but one data storage company said it wasn't cost effective to delete backups anymore for them [17:33] delete should be quick [17:33] they'd be wasting massive amounts of time just waiting for things to delete [17:34] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4558480.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:34] slava_dp, reiserfs was renamed to jailFS :> [17:34] remove the inode [17:34] lol [17:34] I used to be able to just read and write the disk index with my trs80 [17:34] DeeeeP, :< poor nina i say. but the fs is great. [17:34] that speeds things up ;) [17:35] slava_dp, yeah maybe ... maybe she was really a bitch [17:35] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:35] no excuse [17:35] no need to kill her anyway [17:35] DeeeeP, well yeah no excuse. [17:35] just leave [17:35] right ... how many yearrs did he get ? [17:36] 15 [17:36] he could still develop his code in there [17:36] i guess [17:36] lots of free time , i believe [17:36] hah [17:36] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:37] do you think he wrote it all himself? [17:37] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:37] he had a team of russian programmers who implemented his ideas in code [17:37] i really dont know , no ideia about the code size [17:37] that's what namesys was about [17:37] namesys ? [17:38] namesys - his company. the commercial backer of reiserfs. [17:38] oh ok [17:38] tntslack (n=will@adsl33-25.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:38] 15 years is few anyway [17:39] doesn't matter - no one in their right mind will ever use his code/ideas again [17:39] guess how he will be behind all the technical progress when he gets out [17:40] why should his behaviour make the code/fs any less useful? [17:40] dive, that's debatable [17:40] if he was a regular wife beater - would you use it? [17:40] he can still study and be updated , if he get internet in there [17:40] NyteOwl, that's my point exactly [17:40] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:41] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:41] this man killed his wife - end of story - foss should keep away from him the same as any man with any ethical sense in their head [17:42] save us from all zealots heh [17:43] TiberiusXXIXV (n=Tiberius@41-208-48-160.mtn.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:43] dive, i'll pretend i'm dumb and don't know what my name is. now, who did you say developed reiserfs? oh, but it's so great, i'll be using it! =) [17:44] ok guys thanks for the talk, have to go to bed. it's 01:00 here :) [17:44] bye [17:44] have fun! [17:44] nn [17:44] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:45] so , use or not use reiserFS ? :p [17:45] dive says no [17:46] i stick to the ext family because i feel like it would be easier to get FS help if a bad situation ever came up [17:46] gnash [17:46] well even before the murder fsck killed a prtition [17:46] for me [17:46] so i switched to ext3 [17:48] speaking of ext family: http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html [17:48] yeah , i use ext3 also [17:49] lucvdv (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:50] lucvdv (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: Client Quit [17:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:07] eviljames: Yes [18:07] Action: NyteOwl checks to make sure he's on freenode not dalnet [18:07] It needs NSS and Curl though (with firefox) [18:07] holy freenode fail [18:07] But Gnash, even with the deps, is far behind flash. [18:07] No full screen support for example [18:07] Except for windowed full screen [18:08] Action: NyteOwl misses Flash not at all :) [18:08] WTF [18:08] NyteOwl: At the moment I depend on it for my TV shows ;D [18:08] These netsplits are really getting old. [18:08] tv will rot your brqain [18:09] NyteOwl: Everything, in time, will rot your brain. [18:09] I smoke cigarettes - TV is the lesser of my health issues [18:09] :) [18:09] Reading won't rot your brain! [18:10] depends what you read :) [18:10] eviljames: No, but it will destroy your eyes [18:10] ;) [18:10] Everything is bad for your health [18:10] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:10] leading cause of death is life [18:10] Well, That's a bit of a cop out - life is bad for your health [18:11] Action: eviljames high fives NyteOwl [18:11] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.32) left irc: [18:11] Oral sex will give you cancer (hpv) reading wears out your eyes, TV ruins your mind, sports ruin the padding between your bones, smoking destroys your lungs etc etc etc [18:11] slackware is good for you [18:12] nooper ++ [18:12] i take two slackware CDs with a glass of water everyday :D [18:13] jiffypop (i=jiffypop@d118-75-143-208.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Pig_Pen: That must be hard on the rectum... [18:14] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [18:14] Haha [18:15] Nick change: Guest11730 -> Stx [18:16] yeah, its rough passing CDs [18:16] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "leaving" [18:16] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:17] jiffypop (i=jiffypop@d118-75-143-208.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:18] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] http://imagebin.org/39863 [18:19] Considering the context of this conversation, no thank you [18:19] Nick change: jimpy_ -> bloobalhga [18:19] hey [18:19] nsfw warning would be nice :D [18:19] wow! you at work? [18:20] Nick change: bloobalhga -> jimpy_ [18:20] were there other people within eye shot of your monitor? [18:20] It's only 3:30PM here. [18:20] pacific time [18:21] Also, I don't think anyone else was in eyeshot... besides I didn't even get a good look myself, as it was loading I went "ohshit!" and closed the tab [18:21] lol, yowza, just open it later when you know your safe [18:21] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] omg nipples [18:22] haha I plan to :D [18:22] Action: eviljames scrubs the history [18:22] mega nipples [18:22] the evil empire [18:22] that girl must have some chronic stipples to support those discs [18:22] nah ice cubes work too [18:22] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:22] so i've heard [18:23] cough* [18:23] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:23] ice cubes give you stipples? :P [18:23] works for me [18:24] jimpy_ (n=james@88-97-9-91.dsl.zen.co.uk) left ##slackware. 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[18:46] Nick change: juan--d-1-b -> juan--d-_-b [18:47] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:48] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Client Quit [18:48] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:51] cishpix (n=st_thoma@125.162.42.142) joined ##slackware. [19:01] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] why amd chooses to bundle their sdk/libraries as a bsd licensed bash script embedded tar.gzip containing an rpm is beyond me [19:02] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:03] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.18.16) joined ##slackware. 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[19:13] hey, I've got an issue with the preinstalled apache on slackware 12.2...if I run in " #apachectl start "6 identical httpd processes is started...bu the apachectl script seems ok, something wrong with httpd [19:13] *it [19:14] holdmypocket (n=choward@vpn.cusonet.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:14] ask better on apache channel :) [19:15] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:16] cubas: that's normal. [19:16] cubas: see the MinSpareServers directive [19:19] Nick change: slakmagi1 -> slakmagik [19:22] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:24] skibur (i=1000@12.197.205.184) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [19:26] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-018-105.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] on a fresh 12.2 install, KDM doesn't always restart when i log out of KDE, so the system lingers in runlevel 4 but on the console. anyone had that happen before? [19:26] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.150.15.226) joined ##slackware. [19:29] estreLa (n=eblqcsw@201-88-18-78.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:30] its menu.list i think [19:31] bah, wrong channel [19:32] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) joined ##slackware. [19:32] please [19:32] please? [19:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4385930.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:34] please!! [19:34] ok, you can have a pony [19:34] hurrah! [19:35] http://www.google.com/ [19:36] it's a trap [19:36] get (n=getf@unaffiliated/get) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:36] Not really. [19:36] omg is that like one of those new "search engines"? [19:36] black magic i say! [19:36] get (n=getf@ensim2.fmsweb.de) joined ##slackware. [19:36] hba (n=hba@189.188.139.97) joined ##slackware. [19:36] Action: jkwood watches all the people NOT go to the link [19:36] looks like Mr. NaCl got his nick pwned http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/02/2238236 [19:36] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [19:36] Mellar_ (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3037.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [19:37] I do believe they're being silly with that whole NaCl thing. For real. [19:37] man no one every grabs .org domains [19:37] back later.. time to wash the dog.. fun fun [19:37] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:37] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:37] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] Nick change: raelakoira -> raela [19:39] nullboy / jkwood : you did see what people did to my nick here, did you? [19:39] what? [19:40] strankan` (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [19:40] did you get your nick stolen? [19:41] lol [19:41] ya know what i'd do with NaCl [19:41] put it all over my eggs for breakfast mmmmmmmmh [19:41] Nick change: hba -> nilboy [19:42] Nick change: nilboy -> zeroboy [19:42] Nick change: zeroboy -> nul1boy [19:43] Nick change: nul1boy -> rworkboy [19:44] Nick change: nullboy -> stfuboy [19:44] Action: nathanbw seizes hba's fake passports [19:44] hot spicy chili & eggs makes a great breakfast! [19:44] stfuboy: http://pastebin.com/d195e3474 [19:44] tabasco sauce OMG [19:44] lol [19:44] Nick change: stfuboy -> nullboy [19:44] tabasco is for n00bs [19:44] i make the best chili in the whole world! [19:45] Pig_Pen: ever heard of Dave's Insanity? [19:45] pah, chemistry. i quote E. Rutherford: "All science is either physics or stam collecting." [19:45] i like Rotel green chilis & chili fixens [19:45] Nick change: rworkboy -> hba [19:46] never heard of Dave;s [19:46] That's the good stuff. [19:46] mtu, http://xkcd.com/435/ [19:46] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Maths will always win! [19:46] i am a conniseur of hot spicy foods of mexican and TexMex origin [19:47] nathanbw: we actually had that put up in the library of our physics institute :) [19:47] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.153) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:47] mtu nice :-) xkcd rocks [19:47] totally [19:47] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:47] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. 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[19:55] it's a daemon [19:55] runs in background [19:55] nn [19:55] nope, it holds my terminal [19:56] actually i run: [19:56] jackd -R -d alsa [19:56] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] and here it hangs, i closed the terminal but it remained running in the backgroung, [19:56] but i'd like the apps to be able to stop it normally [19:57] maybe a syntax stuff, dunno :| [19:57] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.150.15.226) left irc: "gotta roll" [19:57] ephemeros: it's the principle of daemons to run in the background [19:57] the new jackd contained: /usr/bin/jackd-realtime $@ [19:58] so why the original executable doesn't bevahe like that? [19:58] (in both cases the shell is not released, but in the original case i could stop it with Ctrl+C :| ) [19:59] ah. probably in cour case, the ^C goes to the script, not the app [19:59] but the script is doing nothing, just waiting on the app [19:59] yup, i thought about it... [19:59] yeah [20:00] this would be a good solution to have realtime without pam, but i'm sure that bash has something to hide :) [20:00] i'll try with a function [20:01] does flash work as well on slamd64 as it does on windows xp? [20:01] Sure does. [20:02] I'm not sure why you're asking in ##slackware, though. ;) [20:02] isn't slam64 basically slackware but 64 bit? [20:02] yeah but it's maintained by other people and has a channel of its own [20:02] ahh, my apologies [20:02] It's a multilib port that tries to mirror Slackware as closely as possible. [20:03] no problem :) [20:03] well then, i guess a better question is who has flash working well on slackware? [20:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] because last week i was told that flash worked well on slackware on a 64bit cpu but i wasnt sure if it was necessary to run slamd64 or not [20:03] well... i do more or less. the latest version has _many_ faults, but i hope it will get better when i migrate from 12.0 to 12.2 [20:04] im currently on 12.2, 32 bit processor... and sites like slashdot are slow scrolling, anything with flash on it just performs poorly [20:04] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3bde424329672729) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [20:04] choward_: the "normal" slackware will work just fine on a 64 bit processor (i have it running). but it will not make use of all the bells and whistles 64bit has to offer (like support for +4G of RAM) [20:04] mtu: ahh thank you for clearing that up [20:04] I've heard a lot of reports about the latest 32-bit version of Flash having problems. [20:05] choward_: that's _definitely_ javascript/flash's fault. changing to a 64-bit compiled system will probably not make that better [20:05] jkwood: if only people could get their hands on _previous_ versions... i'd be the first to revert [20:05] Umm... Flash works fine here using the 64-bit version. [20:05] well yes, but the sense that 64bit flash is less broken [20:05] not that overall system performance would increase dramatically [20:06] Ah, okay. [20:06] http://imagebin.org/39869 [20:06] >.> [20:06] hah [20:08] Nick change: i00nsu -> g9g [20:09] lookie here!! http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_14266&sliceId=2 [20:09] i'd never thought they'd do that [20:09] I wish full screen flash in linux worked properly [20:10] juice: experiencing browser hang on fullscreen? [20:10] so. if i have libshout installed when i compile mpd, i should be able to use it as a shoutcast server, right? [20:11] mtu yeah more like pixelation [20:11] where it just glitches a lot [20:11] oh, i see. my browser actually rolls over and dies [20:11] ic [20:11] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:12] yeah the browser never crashed yet [20:12] it just simply doesn't play video smooth [20:12] mac and windows it works fine [20:12] anyone knows where is the kppp configuration file located? [20:12] juice: Also works fine on 64-bit. [20:13] bah [20:13] on hulu it plays 480p fullscreen flawlessly ? [20:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Action: jkwood checks [20:14] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [20:14] even full screen youtube would do these but not as bad since the quality was lower [20:14] these=this [20:17] omzine (n=othermin@138.sub-70-192-35.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:19] Yeah, works great. [20:20] omzine (n=othermin@32.sub-75-216-95.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] hmm [20:21] I wish I could figure out why it doesn't work for me [20:22] chazbro (n=chazbro-@71.153.131.16) joined ##slackware. [20:22] helllooooo [20:24] anybody ever put slackware 12.x on a netbook? [20:25] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:26] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4558480.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "ta leme" [20:26] dive, mtu: i managed with bashtrap (to kill that process) [20:26] trap bashtrap INT [20:26] exec set_rlimits /usr/bin/jackd-realtime "$@"; [20:26] bashtrap() { exit; } [20:26] that's all :) [20:26] not I, but if you want to get me one I'll give it a try :) [20:26] LOL [20:26] yeah right [20:26] :) [20:27] ephemeros: cool :) [20:27] ye ;) just luck [20:27] i have an older P4HT based system. it uses an intel MV850 motherboard and the bios supports 'USB boot / removable device boot'. when i setup a USB flash stick with the slackware current USB image the system gets to SYSLINUX and then bombswith: CBIOS Load error - Boot error [20:27] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:27] Spiko (n=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:28] the same system boots off the DVD images fine though [20:28] nullboy; what fs on the usb stick? [20:29] Action: chazbro feels that caffeine headache coming on... [20:29] it's a disk image from the install media [20:29] Action: chazbro screams "I NEED MY COFFEE!!" [20:29] brb ppls [20:30] how reliable is NTFS write in the new kernel? [20:30] NyteOwl: i've never had a problem [20:30] i use it all the time [20:30] k [20:30] well wait [20:30] thanks [20:30] i use ntfs-3g [20:31] as the mount type? [20:31] Nick change: rworkman_ -> rworkman [20:32] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:34] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) left irc: "... Leaving , was still at work..." [20:34] yeah [20:34] -t ntfs-3g [20:35] plz... where i find the kppp conf file? can't see nothing at /etc/* [20:36] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE7D02.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [20:39] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:40] g9g: .kde perhaps? [20:40] ~/.kde, to be precise. [20:40] $HOME/.kde/share/config ? [20:40] back [20:40] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) joined ##slackware. [20:40] ephemeros (i=1000@89-45-24-235.citynet.botosani.ro) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] with coffee in hand [20:40] ok .. i will check that, thanz [20:41] mmm coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee [20:41] num num [20:42] :-D [20:42] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-94-184.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:42] XpliCT (n=rumenovs@77.29.189.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:42] America runs on coffee :/ [20:42] dont be knocking my coffee [20:43] I'm not. I'm just stating a fact. [20:43] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/10801 [20:43] its like adding a gas pedal to the car in head (i think the creator forgot to install one) [20:44] When used sparingly. [20:45] yeah?.. well i like getting tickets with my head... ;-) [20:45] Must be bad running out of fuel. [20:46] breaking speed barrier on my cheap, legal drugs [20:47] i dont like to do that... i get all kinds of stupid when that happens [20:47] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] it's called withdrawal [20:48] fluxnuk31 (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:48] oh jeeze ppl i only have one cup a day [20:48] i just had it... and not another more [20:49] Better than most. [20:49] i usually have two cigarettes at night, nothing more, except when i'm out partying [20:49] so a pack usually lasts a whole week or one evening ;) [20:49] i quite smoking on my daughter's 4th birthday... shes now 14 [20:49] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@62-101-126-235.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [20:51] i heard that they discovered... that ppl who smoked when they were a teen... to adults... have a high risk of getting MS [20:51] superGear (n=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] lessseee.... she's 14 now... you quite when she was 4. hm. 14 - 4 = x. x + 4 = 14. 10? you've quite for 10 years! [20:51] multiple schulrosis (soory about the spelling) [20:52] MS as in multiple sclerosis? how on earth would that be related to smoking [20:52] mtu: How on earth wouldn't it? [20:52] thats what i've heard they just now discovered [20:52] i must say.. i have felt like i had the symptoms for a while [20:53] does MS not have a genetical cause? [20:53] i dont know.. im no doctor [20:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis#Non-infectious_environmental_risk_factors [20:54] ...I'm a Doctor, not a counterinsurgent! [20:54] Action: chazbro searches google for the link and ms [20:54] "MS is not considered a hereditary disease. However, a number of genetic variations have been shown to increase the risk of developing the disease." [20:54] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:54] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] hell, that's an entirely different disease from what i thought it was [20:55] and yea, i can at least see how it might relate to smoking [20:55] http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/23178.php [20:56] Are you kidding? [20:56] Smoking is a 'cause' of MS? [20:56] Action: Thurin1 chuckles [20:56] bullshit. [20:57] "quitting smoking could limit or delay central nervous system deterioration" -- that goes for any drug, with or without suffering from MS [20:57] MS rates went up as smoking went down. [20:57] i don't see that study as relevant... [20:57] just what google founds for me [20:57] 'You gon die' - so don't worry about it. [20:58] well i'd rather not have ms as my way out [20:58] Smoking will not give you MS [20:58] i have seen others aflicted with it [20:58] I always knew MicroSoft was hazardous to your health :) [20:58] chazbro: i've come to deeply distrust "new studies", especially medical and psychological ones... if you boil them down to the core findings and conclusions, they are more often bullshit than not [20:58] so.. i am not taking anychances [20:58] And it probably won't give you cancer either - until your pretty old [20:58] but they make for oh-so-good news stories [20:58] chazbro, So you won't get MS but you'll still get some other nasty disease that gets you in the end? [20:59] mtu: you forget to mention those sponsored by $medical companies to push their own drug ;) [20:59] But in the meantime, while you're alive you're going to deprive yourself of living? [20:59] Makes sense [20:59] i'll get some disease related to drinking coffee [20:59] BP{k}: you mean you're not taking the anti-foobar pill yet?! O_O [20:59] chazbro, Or MS [20:59] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:59] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [20:59] Or cancer, or heart disease or whatever else kills you [20:59] live a little before you go - because.. you will go. [21:00] I'm not saying start smoking :P [21:00] sure you are [21:00] Thurin1: there _is_ a difference between living it out and damaging your body for questionable entertainment value. how about taking metamphetamines? good fun-to-rot ratio? [21:00] Naw, I'm just saying live [21:00] you little demon [21:00] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] mtu, Now you're being silly [21:01] Tobacco is mildly damaging in moderation - no more than alcohol or cheeseburgers [21:01] augh, mencoder pushes all my other apps into swap [21:01] Or coffee [21:01] yeah, smoke weed.. more natural and without any consecuence for your body :) [21:01] All of this paranoia generated over tobacco is mostly nonsense - it's bad yes, but it's not the only thing that kills - everything kills [21:01] dang what kind of RAM you running nooper? [21:01] 1.25 GB [21:02] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:02] golly [21:02] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) joined ##slackware. [21:02] hba, I don't smoke it - but in moderation it does little damage, less than Alcohol and Tobacco [21:02] wahnfrieden (i=47e84e24@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8dabc7729bb13452) joined ##slackware. [21:02] im running 393mb and i dont have that problem [21:02] hi [21:02] mencoder itself is only using 20mb [21:02] i going to be loading SLACKWARE UNIX onto my treadmill this weekend as a project [21:02] i dont know how it does it [21:02] Marijuana is worse than tobacco - but smokers of it tend to smoke maybe 1 or 2 a day whereas cigarette smokers can go to 25 or more per day [21:02] but i need to figure out how to build SLACKWARE for the embedded chipset on it [21:02] how many other apps you running? [21:02] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [21:03] ##slackware: mode change '+d c-71-232-78-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [21:03] Well, that didn't work. [21:03] +d ? [21:03] wahnfrieden, If you call it slackware 'UNIX' the men in black are going to come pay you a visit XD [21:03] mtu_lurc (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-002-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] wahnfrieden: You should fall off the treadmill and get your head stuck between it and the wall. [21:03] firefox, gimp are the big ones. they pretty snappy usually [21:03] anything in the background? [21:04] like mysql? [21:04] updatedb? [21:04] wahnfrieden: and if you keep up your shit, I suspect some legitimate mibbit users are going to come find you and make that a reality, because we're going to ban all of mibbit. [21:04] any cron jobs? [21:04] yeah, lot of procs, eggdrops, mysqld, screen, irssi. they all work fine the rest of the time without swap lag. [21:04] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] you got htop? [21:05] htop ftw [21:05] yeah [21:05] htop! [21:05] ftw??? [21:05] jkwood: +d is supposed to be a "real name" ban. [21:05] sberla54__ (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] what is ftw? [21:05] Ah, okay. [21:05] chazbro: for the win [21:05] for teh win [21:05] find the women [21:05] htop runs in konsole [21:05] lol [21:05] it runs in other consoles, too [21:05] or *term [21:05] choward_ (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:06] hehehe, ktorrent: 22h of CPU time [21:06] just restarted it a few days ago, even [21:06] Action: mtu_lurc pats his server [21:06] so whats this ftw comment [21:06] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:06] chazbro: it means i really love htop [21:06] for the win = awesomeness [21:06] okay.. thought it was a put down [21:07] that would be FTL ;) [21:07] (Faster Than Light) [21:07] wahnfrieden (i=47e84e24@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8dabc7729bb13452) left ##slackware. [21:07] lol jkwood [21:07] Actually, maybe that +d *is* working. It appears to be similar to a +q. Maybe that's why asshat moron just left :) [21:07] lol [21:07] http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml :) [21:07] ok.. back to.... nooper.. you got htop? [21:07] yeah [21:07] Maybe it's just not a kickban. [21:08] wahnfrieden ~ "insane peace", has a neo-nazi ring to it if you ask me [21:08] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] bbiab [21:08] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] jkwood: right [21:08] so wahts taking your resources when mencoder isnt running? [21:08] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.110.79) joined ##slackware. [21:08] chazbro: firefox is the mem hog usually, and cpu is usually free [21:08] Someone with a nick and "realname" that are different who doesn't mind me experimenting? [21:09] Action: mtu_lurc go ZZZzzz [21:09] g'nite! [21:09] mtu_lurc (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-002-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lurc - the irc client with a name that doesn't mean anything." [21:09] nick is jkwood, realname is JKWood. I don't know if that's different or not. [21:09] rworkman... what are you upto? [21:09] nope [21:09] rworkman : try mine. [21:09] looks like my 'realname' is set to nothing [21:10] ##slackware: mode change '+d none' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [21:10] ananke: can you still talk here? :) [21:10] hey there... my nick chazbro... my name hell i dont know [21:11] 02:09 [freenode] -!- ircname : chazbro-serv [21:11] how do i find out? [21:11] ##slackware: mode change '-d ananke' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [21:11] /whois chazbro [21:11] hi folks, my killall doesnt works trying to kill my process '/usr/bin/python ./tinyerp-server.py' [21:11] i was trying with -r but... [21:11] What's your killall? [21:11] lucasagomes (n=lucas@189-47-254-183.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:11] killall python.*tinyerp-server.py [21:12] "This mode takes one parameter, a mask which is matched against the so-called "Real Name" field each client supplies, and prevents any matching clients from sending to the channel or joining it. It accepts the standard * and ? wildcards. " [21:12] rworkman: you could "banning' me if you want [21:12] I'm guessing slackboy isn't programmed to respond to a +d. [21:12] ananke: Can you talk now? [21:12] rworkman: I think you need -d non [21:12] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.252) joined ##slackware. [21:12] none* [21:12] lucasagomes (n=lucas@189-47-254-183.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:13] rworkman, no process killed [21:13] The process probably named python [21:14] problem is it might take down other python processes with it [21:14] Action: chazbro waives bye... i got some important email [21:14] chazbro (n=chazbro-@71.153.131.16) left irc: "leaving" [21:14] i cant kill all of named python process [21:14] ##slackware: mode change '-d none' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [21:14] k, this game was no fun. not playing it anymore [21:14] ananke: sorry :D [21:14] -ýý ##slackware Cannot send to channel [21:14] :) [21:14] Considering that he did stfu, it must have worked [21:14] Well, at least I know it works. [21:14] fluxnuk31 (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:15] yep, it does [21:15] I was genuinely confused with the "still waiting" msg - I thought I had cleared it. [21:15] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [21:17] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [21:18] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) joined ##slackware. [21:19] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-018-105.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Success [21:20] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@62-101-126-235.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:20] heh the "@" symbol beside a name reminds me of when hercules puts on his magic ring, or when he-man pulls out his magic sword and says, "by the power of grey skull" [21:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: No route to host [21:21] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) left irc: Client Quit [21:21] or when david banner gets mad [21:21] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Nick change: NetrixTa1dis -> NetrixTardis [21:24] chazbro (n=chazbro-@adsl-71-153-131-16.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] rworkman, I'm compiling festival at the moment - just wondering whether to make a slackbuild but there are several downloads involved - how would I intergrate those into one script? Or should I make separate build scripts? [21:25] hellooooo [21:25] lol konsole quote "The Heineken Uncertainty Principle: You can never be sure how many beers you had last night. [21:25] that's bash fortune [21:26] here's a hint... go count the fridge [21:27] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.110.79) left irc: "Leaving" [21:27] dive: SBo doesn't do multiple builds per script. [21:27] Basically, you'll need to do one script per dep. [21:27] hmm [21:28] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:28] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:28] Or, if you can host it yourself, you can do something like alienBOB's vlc script. [21:29] that might be eaiser [21:29] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [21:29] there are 7 gz's for festival, speech-tools, and us/english voices [21:29] but they end up in 2 dirs [21:30] wth is festival? [21:30] speech engine [21:30] chazbro: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=festival+software [21:31] thanx [21:32] cubas (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [21:33] Action: chazbro rocks to timidity & acdc's thunderstruck [21:33] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] Action: chazbro switches to the xine... acdc's video thunderstruck ;) [21:37] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:37] why don't you just get some shorts that go just below the knee, wear a blazer, grow your hair long, and call yourself angus? [21:38] or just call yourself a sellout? :P [21:38] no imitiating genius [21:38] hehe they are damn good :) [21:39] jiffypop (i=jiffypop@d118-75-143-208.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [21:40] oi! oi!oi! oi! oi! oi! oi! oi! oi! oi! time for TNT [21:40] chazbro: you need to mellow out with 'ride on' :P [21:41] ok, guys...i'm baout to shoot the next door neighbors over this aircard/pppd situation [21:41] about even [21:41] i got that too [21:41] lol.. they stealing your net? [21:42] jiffypop? they stealing your bandwidth? [21:42] one of these days i'm gonna change my evil ways... [21:42] lookin for a truck [21:42] oops, sorry. went off on a tangent [21:43] anyhoo, no. nobody is stealing my b/w [21:43] i have none to steal [21:43] that's my dilemma [21:43] so you want to connect [21:44] but your connected now? [21:44] i'm a newcomer type noob to linux in general and i've been trying to figure this aircard out for so long i'm ashamed to admit it [21:44] yes to hte first [21:44] no to the second [21:44] the daamit [21:44] lol [21:44] dammit [21:44] you are here... so you are connected [21:45] not with the box i want to be connected with [21:45] oh [21:45] i'm a noob but not that much of a noob :-/ [21:45] taquito (n=rich@cpe-76-168-152-22.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:45] wireless internet? [21:46] yes, it's a sierra ac860 aircard i use via at&t [21:46] have you looked into ndis wrapper [21:46] not for this aircard [21:46] am i saying it right guys? [21:46] yea, chaz...that's right [21:47] slack sees it [21:47] knows it's there [21:47] pppd sees it [21:47] i use wired internet.. but i know there is such a thing a 'wrapper' that uses a windows driver for your wireless card [21:47] knows it's there [21:47] try a different distribution's liveCD until you find one that works [21:47] chazbro: Not for cellular cards. [21:47] then see how they did it [21:47] i'm past that point, chaz. have been for awhile now [21:47] weird [21:48] no, i'm hangin' with slack. i'll either make it work or die trying [21:48] well then i guess your not so much the newb you thought [21:48] you have tried searching google.. i suppose? [21:48] it's got to be somewhere in one of my scripts. [21:48] i didn't say not to use slackware [21:49] jiffypop: you're only young, but you're gonna die... [21:49] lol, my god...you have no idea [21:49] i said yo try liveCDs to learn how someone else made it work [21:49] what errors are you getting? if any [21:49] lol, antler...you'll get me in more trouble in here than i'm likely to get in on my own [21:49] jgor (i=jgor@66.112.231.147) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:50] it gets all the way to the local and remote ip address and sits there [21:51] thats actually a good idea... knoppix fixed my xorg for me... so i plugged int what knoppix did for my slackware box [21:51] hear ya, nullboy. i'vce got slack with xp on this laptop and i guess i'm just used to it [21:51] knoppix is what got me in this mess [21:51] if i had left it alone, i wouldn't have met all you fine folks, lol [21:52] well knoppix isnt the only live cd [21:52] i knnow [21:52] know [21:52] damn typos [21:52] have you heard of mepis? [21:52] i have yes [21:52] but check this out [21:52] thats another good one... and of course there :P ubuntu :P [21:53] Action: nooper <3 blinking text http://jiffynet.net/ [21:53] i'm usually on the road as i move folks for a living. loading up and taking off for norfolk, va and wash. , dc and philly tomorrow [21:53] oh yeah? http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/rgb.swf [21:53] sooooo [21:53] omg nullboy [21:53] debian might just figure it out too [21:53] i sort of don't really have time to d/l and install a different distro every other few days or so [21:54] nooper: make sure your sound it up all the way too [21:54] no you dont install it [21:54] not trying to sound whiny, that's just my lot in life [21:54] you just boot it in your cd drive [21:54] i know [21:54] but, see...i'm a creature of habit [21:54] that page is making my mouse lag [21:55] Existance0 (n=Arie@bngr-208-111-207-184-pppoe.dsl.bngr.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] lol [21:55] ok well stop installing... [21:55] just USE it [21:55] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.18.16) left irc: "Leaving" [21:55] i know that if i go the live cd route, i'll end up getting rid of slack and going with the *other* distro [21:55] i hear ya :-/ [21:55] boot it up.. and watch what it does for your wireless stuff [21:56] jiffypop: and going with another distro is, what, a sin? :P [21:56] oh, man [21:56] no just watch what it does as it boots... pay attention to the logs... and look at your modules [21:56] no sin, antler [21:56] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:56] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:57] nullboy: I think he's trying to do http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/something_like_this.jpg [21:57] it'a juat become a matter of principle, i guess [21:57] just even [21:57] EVERYONE QUIET [21:57] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [21:57] now isn't that awesome sounding [21:57] :) [21:57] ummm ok [21:57] you rewened it... [21:57] wth Existance0? [21:58] xD [21:58] cant hear a damn thing on irssi [21:58] lol [21:58] Existance0: http://poignantguide.net/sdtrk/chap%204%20-%20the%20magic%20elf%20+%20ambrose%20.mp3 [21:58] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.226.238) joined ##slackware. [21:59] you would assume that a halfway intelligent individual would have a chance of figuring something as simmple as running a connect script would be able to accomplish that after reading at least 200 or 300 posts [21:59] wtf [21:59] that sounds horrible [22:00] rgb.swf is strangely addictive [22:00] so i've come to the conclusion that getting high behind the bowling alley in high school must have been detrimental to my last few remainig grey cells [22:00] lol [22:00] g9g (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:00] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-170-136.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:00] well at least you have got the right attitude [22:00] bowling alley? what you grow up in the 60s? [22:00] :P [22:00] bet that ass [22:00] lol [22:01] fact o' the matter, i'll be 47 in april [22:01] feeling about as ignorant as a 15 year old [22:01] esom (i=ddd52bee@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a47407cda76fef98) joined ##slackware. [22:02] but hey, i gotta go smoke [22:02] windows & ~slackware = ? [22:02] marlboros :-/ [22:02] umm isnt there some things ppl do to connect and disconnect there internet manually? [22:02] Nick change: esom -> Guest40218 [22:02] chazbro: I get the distinct feeling you're not helping much. [22:02] unplug your modem [22:02] :) [22:03] no i asked this in a forum once... actually had it solved [22:03] my wife can connect and disconnect to he internet manually real easy... (win XP :P) [22:03] but i have problems [22:03] had* [22:04] Nick change: Guest40218 -> slack_ever [22:04] chazbro: i don't know about windows ipconfig, but in linux you can use "ifconfig down" [22:04] or wicd [22:05] windows & ~slackware = ? [22:05] i have at&t internet too.. connected 1st in windows... then it just hooked right in with my linux box [22:05] turns out theres 2 commands to issue [22:05] Existance0 (n=Arie@bngr-208-111-207-184-pppoe.dsl.bngr.epix.net) left ##slackware. [22:05] pppoe-setup [22:05] pppoe-start [22:05] ifconfig down (1st step) [22:06] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:06] that might be it mbhayes [22:07] :) [22:07] long ago I used Slackware as my router/firewall ;) [22:07] i love slackware [22:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:09] don't be getting all emotional on us now [22:09] Action: hashed_ sheds a single tear. [22:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] hashed: someone needs hug [22:11] $ifconfig eth0 down ##drops internet [22:11] $ifconfig eth0 up ##reconnects internet [22:11] or the number to a therapist... [22:11] lol [22:11] $dhcpcd -d -t 10 eth0 ## resets dhcp [22:12] thats it... 3 things [22:12] just found my linuxquestion forum [22:13] slack_ever (i=ddd52bee@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a47407cda76fef98) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [22:13] gee, netconfig didn't do the trick for you? [22:13] chazbro: lol i used to killall dhcpcd && dhcpcd eth1 [22:14] Nick change: aceofspa1es19 -> aceofspades19 [22:14] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 ethX_restart [22:15] that's all you need [22:15] jiffypop: I'm assuming you followed http://www.sierrawireless.com/faq/ShowFAQ.aspx?ID=601 ? [22:16] jkwood: Server Error in '/' Application. :) [22:16] lmao [22:17] hba: Try praying. WFM. [22:17] "http://www.sierrawireless.com/faq/ShowFAQ.aspx?ID" [22:17] i got that thing [22:18] pppd call gsm [22:18] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.48.177) left irc: "Leaving" [22:18] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-52-177.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] sorry, guys. had to smoke a couple but yea...i've tried 'em all [22:19] came closest with call gsm [22:20] there are some module dependenices [22:20] smoke a couple? [22:20] you killed two people? omgz [22:20] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:20] crime of passion, no doubt, eh? [22:21] no doubt [22:21] ok you should be all right then [22:21] although smoking will kill you, eventually [22:21] keeper: as far as i can tell, i've got all the underlying machinery in place. [22:21] Action: danc3 quit 5 years ago [22:21] i'm really really close [22:21] i think [22:21] no, i'm close [22:22] i'm ok, if you don't beleive me, ask us [22:22] no, I'M close. [22:22] Action: jkwood closes jiffypop [22:23] i can't tell if that was pr0n or not [22:23] do they still make JiffyPop? [22:23] ppp_generic ppp_synctty ppp_async and a cryptography module crc_ccitt possibly slhc in adition to sierra [22:23] usbserial too [22:23] i dunno if they still make the popcorn but i still see the commericials [22:23] haven't had JiffyPop in *years*, ever since that bastard Redenbacher came on the scene [22:24] nullboy: http://modifiedliving.com/amishporn.htm [22:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:25] danc3: come october of this year, i'll have been clean and sober 19 years. trust me when i say this...i'm a cigarette smokin' fool [22:25] at least you chose marly reds ;) [22:25] jiffypop: so you swore off the booze in order to die of lung cancer? [22:26] is lung cancer less painful than liver cirrhosis? [22:26] i swore off the booze so i wouldn't think it was cool to keep on shootin' meth [22:26] ahh [22:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.17) left irc: "buenas noches \ø" [22:26] good idea, that [22:26] or are you a little girly man that smokes the whites? [22:26] lmfao [22:26] yea, i smoke the whites [22:26] but now you've got to realize that it isn't "cool" to smoke any more, either.... ;) [22:26] Nick change: NaCl -> NaCly [22:26] after i tear the filter off [22:27] i quit bein' cool a long long time ago [22:27] ok then, that's cool [22:27] after i realized i wasn't [22:27] but hey [22:27] this aircard [22:27] I'll shut up about it, I know there's not many things more irritating than a reformed smoker. [22:27] &^^$%$#$#&&^*&&^ [22:28] hell, no...mad props danc [22:28] heh [22:28] more power to ya [22:28] I smoked 25 years, been off em for 5. Never felt better. [22:28] i don't believe you [22:28] danc3: aw but after the meal? first thing in the morning..... [22:29] Soul_keeper: huh? [22:29] smoking gives you super powers [22:29] antler: yes, tough at first, but don't miss it now [22:29] i quit for 10.5 months once. those were the worst two times for me as well [22:29] but this is starting to sound like therapy and i don't need therapy [22:29] or maybe i do, who knows [22:29] lol, ok [22:30] omzine (n=othermin@32.sub-75-216-95.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [22:30] but i think my problem with this aircard lies with my dns server addresses [22:30] i think [22:30] i give up with festival [22:30] Action: jiffypop ain't too sure about anything at the moment [22:31] jiffypop: if you think that, why not verify it one way or the other [22:31] jiffypop: Can you connect to, say, 70.87.222.16? [22:32] If so, then it's dns. [22:32] And, it's fairly well likely that the opendns servers will work fine for you. [22:32] anyone know other speech engines apart from flite and festival? [22:32] (I had to use them when I used my cell for GPRS at $LASTAPARTMENT [22:32] ) [22:32] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-170-136.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [22:32] ok, my stupid flag is rising. are you asking me to ping that addy? [22:33] jiffypop: I came in late, but how about just setting the card up via DHCP, and let that configure the DNS servers.... [22:33] i wouldn't know how to do that, sorry [22:33] i'm really really new to all this [22:33] :-( [22:34] Ping it, connect to it in a web browser, try to ssh in, pretty much anything. [22:34] i can't connect to anything with a browser [22:34] jiffypop: as root, run 'netconfig', and choose DHCP [22:34] but when i kill pppd i'm told that i was actually connected [22:35] k, danc...i'll try that and 70.87.222.16 also [22:35] kk [22:36] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:40] jkwood: i've got *something* going on with this ping. i've got multiple instances of 64 bytes [22:40] icmp [22:40] all ttl's are 50 [22:40] hahahah [22:40] and the times vary [22:40] taquito (n=rich@cpe-76-168-152-22.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] oh, man [22:40] i;ve been duped? [22:40] jiffypop: That means that you're connected. [22:40] open /etc/rc.conf [22:41] sorry [22:41] /etc/resolv.conf [22:41] wait a minute antler [22:41] i'll be right with ya [22:41] ok, as i siad earlier...when i kill pppd and check the logs, i'm told i was connected [22:41] but [22:41] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-3-115.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:42] no brower connecting whatsoever [22:42] shit [22:42] browser [22:42] Can you connect to 70.87.222.16 from the browser? [22:42] it might be a nameserver thing [22:42] lemme try that, i did it fr4om a shell [22:42] from [22:42] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:44] FUCK ME...I GOT A WEBPAGE [22:44] lol [22:44] Okay. "echo 208.67.222.222 >> /etc/resolv.conf" [22:44] (Probably need to do that as sudo or root) [22:44] Wait... I screwed up. [22:45] "echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >> /etc/resolv.conf" [22:45] That's better. [22:45] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.175.176) joined ##slackware. [22:45] i was just reading that page or one similar. actually it's still up [22:45] That's my homepage. [22:45] run that from a shell in the /etc folder or does it matter? [22:46] i figured as much. appreciate that, dude [22:46] Doesn't matter. You can manually open /etc/resolv.conf in a text editor if you'd like. [22:46] jiffypop, I usually keep an extra resolv.conf somewhere so if it gets overwritten, I can cat ~/resolv.conf > /etc/resolv.conf [22:46] I keep both of the openDNS servers in there, plus one from my ISP [22:46] Indeed. And the two nameservers you'll want are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 [22:46] man, listen. i've chopped up so many files trying to figure this out, it's pitiful [22:47] it's a wonder my laptop doesn't catch fire [22:47] Luckily, most standard files are flammable :-) [22:47] printer on fire. [22:47] s/are/aren't [22:48] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:49] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire [22:50] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [22:53] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:55] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:56] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] i need to figure out how to open up a port [22:57] do you have a firewall running on your workstation? [22:58] faffi_ (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [22:58] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:59] Nick change: suid0_ -> suid0 [22:59] i haven't touched it [23:00] ok, gonna try to clarify a thing or two because i feel sort of foolish [23:00] do you need to allow internet based traffic on a port to go through to an internal lan host? [23:00] no i'm not either [23:01] suffice it to say, i got lots to learn [23:01] nullboy: well, i need to figure out what i need [23:01] but i swear, i never even thought of trying to ping anything [23:02] see i can load http://localhost:8000/stream into amarok [23:02] but what the hell, thanks for not throwing me out on my ear [23:03] but this is the only machine that can reach it, it seems [23:03] i had thought that your addy to your site was some sort of internal addy and when i hit with the ping and antler started laughin' i figured i had been had for sure [23:04] as you well konw, there's some nefarious characters out here in the void ;-) [23:04] Nick change: NaCly -> NaCl [23:04] Not I. [23:04] serious biz, though...thanks so much, jkeood [23:04] shit [23:04] jkwood [23:05] jiffypop: i was just laughing because of the way your were describing what you saw on the screen hahaha [23:05] :) [23:05] All hail the great jkwood!!! [23:05] antler, if you only knew how many housr, how many pages, how many reboots... [23:05] Now, now, none of that. [23:05] hours even [23:06] lol jkwood [23:06] maybe i can get that one on bash.org [23:06] jiffypop: if you don't keep that nameserver, the same thing'll happen next time. i don't know if someone mentioned that earlier, i disconnected. [23:06] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:07] or more specifically, if the resolv.conf gets overwritten... [23:07] i thought something was fishy when it told me connection terminated. i'm like what effin connection terminated? [23:07] gotcha, antler [23:07] you can prevent resolv.conf from being over written when you manually run dhcpcd by using the -R switch [23:08] umm what exactly is the network card?... what output does lspci say? [23:08] maybe someone else had this dilema [23:08] im going to search the forums [23:09] can you please restate the question, alex? [23:09] it's a sierra ac860, chazbro. [23:09] lol nullboy [23:10] but it's a pcmcia card it doesn't show up in lspci [23:10] or lsusb [23:10] only lspcmcia [23:10] http://blog.lavsen.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/motivator4277506.jpg [23:10] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] smokin' [23:11] frullet: that's.. weird. [23:12] hashed_ ;) [23:13] why does that guy look familiar? who is he? [23:14] larry wall [23:15] heh he just has a very generic computers-is-my-thang look about him [23:16] antler: http://articles.mongueurs.net/comptes-rendus/yapc-eu-2005/dsc03261.jpg [23:16] is that larry wall? [23:16] the first link [23:16] yep, there it is again. "computers: welcome to our domain" [23:16] alguien acá le ve alguna gracia a the office ? [23:17] sorry wrong channel =P [23:17] nullboy: yes [23:17] that's larry wall the perl guy [23:17] \o/ [23:18] hey did you by any chance see this thread in the ubuntu forums: http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154092 [23:18] Larry the Perl Guy? Doesn't he do a standup routine? [23:19] talking to jiffypop [23:19] ah, the first link doesn't seem quite as weird to me any more.. [23:19] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:20] jkwood: yeah, he acts like the locals around here do. [23:21] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.226.238) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:22] chazbro: i've read that one and many like it more times thann i care to count [23:22] he must be a standup kind of guy to create PERL [23:22] sorry jiffypop [23:23] ewl (n=ewl@pool-151-203-61-76.bos.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] i know its a pain when ppl repeat stuff at you that you've seen before over and over [23:24] no sorry needed. i just want folks to understand that i have indeed taxed my lack of knowledge to the point that it's almost a physical pain trying to figure this out [23:25] not just hey...can you make this happen for me :-/ [23:25] ewl (n=ewl@pool-151-203-61-76.bos.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] btw.. are you using kpp to connect to the internet? [23:28] or the typical dhcp? [23:29] cuz im hearing from forums that ppl are having more success with kpp [23:31] jiffypop: are you using kpp to connect to the internet? [23:31] oops kppp* [23:32] chazbro: I think you missed the part where we got it working. [23:32] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:32] O_O lol [23:32] lmao [23:33] heh [23:33] sorry... my family pulls me away.. and i miss all the action [23:33] Action: chazbro shakes his head [23:34] you know i wish opera would freaking open up their source code [23:35] love the whole opera browser... mail... irc chat... [23:35] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:35] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:35] but does it have to be !@#!@#@#$ closed source! [23:35] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-52-177.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:40] chazbro (n=chazbro-@adsl-71-153-131-16.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [23:40] martian67 (i=user5490@about/linux/regular/martian67) left irc: Excess Flood [23:41] martian67 (i=user5490@about/linux/regular/martian67) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] So very cool! -> http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/02/touch-book-from-always-innovating-harbors-removable-tablet-netb/ [23:45] it' all good, chazbro [23:46] i originally tried kpp but got absolutely nowhere [23:46] kppp even [23:46] but rworkman told me to give it up for a bad habit and go for pppd [23:47] and i've still not managed to do this echo thang right and resolv.conf still gets overwritten but i'll get through that [23:48] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-155-49.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] but, i got a long way to go tomorrow. i'm in columbus and have to drive to cincinnati and pick up a thousand pounds to put with the two shipments i already have on my truck and then drive to virginia beach to deliver day after tomorrow [23:49] sooooooooo [23:50] at the risk of sounding redundant, thank you all very much for not only helping and idiot out but also not dismissing hime altogether [23:50] or him even [23:50] but it's bedtime for bonzo and i'll catch you all soon [23:51] jkwood, if you ever see me drive by, i'll buy you a beer or coffee or somethin' [23:51] Heh... thanks for that. [23:52] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] jiffypop: DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[0]="yes" [23:55] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [23:55] (for eth0) [23:55] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [23:57] you were using eth0, yes? 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