[00:00] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:00] There's no way I can provide a package for libpng; all I can suggest is to build 1.4.0 on your own, and remove the hackery from the build script. [00:00] Action: NaCl wonders where xf86-video-nouveau is [00:01] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:02] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:02] anyone got an up to date mirror - seems libgmp isn't on osuosl... [00:02] ? [00:02] dive: gmp [00:02] just gmp [00:02] ah [00:02] i got it from slackware.com [00:03] It's on osuosl.org [00:03] still had to make a symlink for libgmp.so.10 as the updated packaged didnt have that particular file [00:03] not found [00:03] or the asc isn't anyway [00:04] botnet: it's definitely there. [00:04] dive: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/slackware64/l/gmp-5.0.1-x86_64-1.txz and http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/slackware64/l/gmp-5.0.1-x86_64-1.txz.asc [00:05] yeah I had changed my osu link back to -13 and forgot :P [00:05] well, i downloaded gmp-5.0.1-x86_64-1.txz from slackware.com, untarred it to / and there was no libgmp.so.10 [00:05] botnet: that may be a symlink [00:05] ldconfig [00:06] i symlinked the libgmp.so.10** something to it and its workign fine [00:06] botnet: ldconfig would do that too. :P [00:06] im old fashioned? i dont know, just glad it all got sorted easily [00:07] Yeah. [00:07] Glad the problem is solved. :) [00:08] botnet, did you run /install/doinst.sh? [00:09] Oh, I didn't. :P [00:09] dive: does that have ldconfig in it? [00:10] nope [00:10] no, i just ran 'tar xf gmp*.txz -C /' [00:10] what *is* in it? [00:10] al lot of symlinks [00:10] botnet: may want to rm -rf /install. :P [00:10] yeah, good call [00:10] rsync acts a fool sometimes [00:11] mrselfpwn: this is not rsync's fault [00:11] says it's synced then on rerun updates more [00:11] This is mispackages aaa_elflibs [00:11] hmm [00:11] maybe they were still updating ? [00:11] Probably the mirror you're using hasn't fully updated yet. [00:12] osuosl [00:12] mrselfpwn: look for libgmp.so-3.3.4 [00:12] That one is synced [00:12] mrselfpwn: so.3.3.4 [00:12] shouldnt the changelog be the last thing that gets synced? [00:12] Nope. [00:12] It's one of the first. [00:12] At least on my end [00:13] i mean, optimally, so it wouldnt get reported to be updated until it was actually updated [00:13] Oh, yeah. [00:13] That happened, yes [00:14] but im pretty sure oregonstate has a faster connection than i do, they will probably finish downloading before i do even if they were still syncing when i began [00:14] TClayton (~tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:14] botnet: they max out my download speed [00:15] yeah im getting 27k kb/s on wireless that i am leeching from across the street [00:15] 275* [00:15] TClayton (~tony@nc-76-3-97-23.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [00:18] NaCl: ironic you mention that. i'm having errors now about libgmp missing [00:18] StonedSlacker, http://www.concept420.com/marijuana-pictures/data/media/7/linux_stoned.jpg [00:19] NaCl: is that in l ? [00:20] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [00:20] mrselfpwn: yes [00:20] not showing there.. hmm [00:20] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:22] NaCl: heh, it's not even on osuosl's serve. O.O [00:22] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] mrselfpwn: yes it is, under l/ gmp package [00:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:22] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [00:22] King_Ozzy (King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left ##slackware. [00:22] fire|bird: ty [00:23] was about to link you [00:24] mrselfpwn, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/#post3881937 [00:24] I guess I should put a link in there too [00:25] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [00:25] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.44.62) joined ##slackware. [00:26] is there a channel for flac? [00:27] #flac? [00:27] This isn't the information desk [00:27] ha [00:27] King_Ozzy: /msg alis help list [00:28] so, libpng is good2go? [00:28] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.64.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:28] or no [00:30] which is a subdomain of the default vhost [00:30] either way it's going. :) [00:31] zed_DX (~kvirc@189.164.123.88) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [00:32] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:36] grimx (~grimx@m455636d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] tavl (~tavl@189.70.167.198) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:37] Inconis (~To@220.176.45.78) joined ##slackware. [00:37] hello [00:38] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:39] Inconis (To@220.176.45.78) left ##slackware. [00:39] morning [00:40] well it's night time where i'm at [00:41] yeah [00:41] datz (~datz@mke-66-97-120-246.milwpc.com) joined ##slackware. [00:42] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [00:43] All of my firefox icons are those pretty document images with x's in them [00:43] grimx (~grimx@m455636d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Quit: goodnight [00:43] sweet [00:43] Hi, I'm installing slackware in VMware, where the disk is seen as scsi. I was looking for more information on how to format the partition, but it appears that ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/slackware/bootdsks.144/scsi.s is down. Can someone link me to some docs? [00:43] might be related to the gtk issue then NaCl [00:43] Yes. [00:44] It looks totally weird. [00:44] The wicd icon is gone too [00:44] datz, we haven't had boot floppies in >= two major versions [00:44] That ftp link is from : http://www.slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=zipslack [00:44] zipslack is no longer supported [00:44] (since a 2.6 kernel doesn't fit on a floppy) [00:45] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [00:45] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:45] humm, not sure what I am looking for then, had an error when trying to format before. let me see what it is [00:45] partition* [00:45] datz, in vmware, you can make it show up as an ide disk i think [00:46] tank-man: I haven't seen that option. is using scsi disk something to stay away from? [00:46] im pretty sure both work [00:46] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [00:47] I don't see what the problem is. Surely if you make a disk image in vmware it's a normal partition? [00:47] and it formats etc [00:47] (I use qemu and vbox) [00:47] The gtk issue isn't. It's libpng brainfuckery. See my reply on LQ. [00:47] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-12.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Billtoo (~bill@bas4-unionville55-1176203917.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:49] right [00:49] with "fdisk /dev/hda" I get "you will not be able to write the partition table. Note sector size is 2048 (not 512) [00:50] rworkman: Is the issue effecting everyone? [00:51] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] affect* [00:51] datz, can't you change sector size in vmware? [00:51] mrselfpwn, yes it will. [00:53] dive: should I not install it period? thanks [00:53] mrselfpwn, what -current or libpng? [00:53] libpng [00:53] cuz i'm on libg* now [00:53] heh [00:53] well it probably won't work right [00:54] follow the advice on that LQ thread [00:54] okay thanks. [00:55] mrselfpwn: http://old.nabble.com/configure-does-not-make-libpng.so.14-td27044337.html [00:56] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:59] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:00] mrselfpwn, I added that link to the LQ [01:01] just need to make the symlink for now. That should work ok until it gets upgraded properly. [01:01] rworkman , dive , thanks. [01:02] i'm figuring out now what's going on with my rsync stuff, anyway. appreciate the help. doesn't look like it will much to fix the libpng thing. [01:03] I rsync -current to /var/cache/packages and have slackpkg mirror directed there, though if i do an upgrade and then rsync again it starts to download more packages even though it was synced before the slackpkg upgrade-all [01:03] which mirror? [01:03] osuosl [01:04] strange [01:04] I wouldn't have used /var/cache/packages/ though. Since that's where slackpkg dowloads things to I think. [01:05] well it does with the 'download' switch [01:05] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [01:05] right [01:05] which I do not use, so am why i'm perplexed. unless they are updating packages still there. [01:05] it deletes them after install by the way [01:06] dive: I don't know if I could have changed the sector size, installing now though, and didn't see how to create swap partition, so I'll have fun later. [01:06] dive: ahhh [01:06] so maybe it downloads to the same place and then rm's them after. Then rsync will redownload each package again. [01:06] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:06] dive: anyway to prevent that? [01:06] or i can move the rsync location [01:06] Find another dir to make a mirror in [01:07] okay [01:07] yes move rsync dir [01:07] dchmelik:Lol, awesome pic [01:08] sweetandy (sweetandy@unaffiliated/sweetandy) left ##slackware ("This space intentionally left blank."). [01:08] mv'd it to /var/cache/slacksync . should do. thanks again [01:08] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30BB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:10] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:11] Why don't you guys help me write a self destruct script? All I wanna do is make a script that brings the machine down to init 1 and preferable down to just a ramdrive then use dd to spray /dev/random's feces all over every partition. [01:11] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] grimx (~grimx@m355636d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-113.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:12] StonedSlacker: I think it's your presentation. [01:12] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:12] StonedSlacker: also, you basically just answered your own question with the question [01:13] grimx (~grimx@m355636d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:13] okay mrselfpwn, you can help me with my presentation and the rest of these slackers can help me with the script [01:13] I did? [01:13] more than likely no one is going to help you. [01:13] Why not? I have found these to be excellent fellows [01:14] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:14] urandom sprays it's feces faster right? [01:14] I think people may be skeptical as to your intent. [01:15] pft, my intent is to create a self destruct script. [01:15] why not drop to init 1 and do it yourself? [01:15] foobarz: I do believe [01:15] Are there nvidia drivers that support 2.6.33? [01:15] I'm not the one who will be doing it if it ever gets done [01:16] NaCl: re-building the driver isn't working? [01:16] StonedSlacker: and what's it for? [01:16] Its for this netbook I'm using now. The same one that yuou guys (well not you) helped me get up and running last night. The owner wants it [01:16] mrselfpwn: no, nv works fine [01:16] nvidia driver is too new, needs to be patched [01:16] Action: NaCl consults archlinux [01:17] NaCl: hmm, not sure. i'll have to check it on my box at home [01:17] NaCl: let me know what you find thanks. [01:17] grimx (~grimx@m355636d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] StonedSlacker: ah, I wasn' [01:17] here [01:17] mrselfpwn: I would avoid an upgrade. [01:17] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [01:17] nouveau KMS works, but there is no usable X driver. [01:18] Why he wants it I dont know but I told him it was possible and yeah if need be Ill just write a two line script that goes to init 1 then dd diareah but I was hoping to learn something about bringiong a system back down to ram disk level. [01:18] NaCl: ah, see, i haven't tried kms on nvidia yet [01:18] StonedSlacker: have a look at some distro init scripts that run directly from ram [01:19] StonedSlacker: tinycore [01:20] They start there though. Are you suggesting that I can reverse engineer these routines? As an aside midget women have wierd asses. [01:20] idk, though that would be what i do if google gives me nothing. then again maybe someone else could help you. [01:20] Your gonna help me [01:20] youre* [01:20] thanks, btw [01:21] Nick change: tuvok302Lappy -> tuvok302 [01:21] StonedSlacker, the problem is in testing it [01:21] heh [01:22] because if it works then you have to reinstall the system [01:22] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:22] Lol, I thought about that. I have a victim system that is running Debian that I will gladly sacrifice. [01:23] The netbook is running ubuntu so, they should behave similarly [01:24] StonedSlacker: As a matter of fact i'm not only going to not help you, I will be the anti-assist. This really doens't have anything to do with Slackware, I suggest looking elsewhere. [01:24] mrselfpwn: looking around indicates that you should avoid an upgrade. [01:25] Whatever, I dont really care one way or another. I just thought some people might enjoy the chance to offer up how they may do it, dad. [01:25] NaCl: Thanks. Where is the driver compile failing if you don't mind me asking. [01:25] StonedSlacker, demmanding some one help won't get you very far either [01:25] mrselfpwn: it doesn't say. [01:25] learn your role sir [01:25] what is GNOME's default image viewer? [01:25] I mean, I need to peruse further [01:25] That was not a real demand, again, I was only kidding [01:26] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434084.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:26] mrselfpwn: uhm... [01:26] You guys should jerk off more [01:26] crap [01:26] sortremord: been a while, but last I checked it was eye of gnome [01:26] alisonken1noc thanks [01:26] forgot i wasn't in offtopic [01:26] mrselfpwn: No clue. [01:26] lol [01:27] NaCl: wish I was at the house, so i could test it myself. [01:27] StonedSlacker, think they should jerk off less personally. [01:27] less keyboard replacement [01:27] heh [01:27] grimx (~grimx@m355636d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Quit: Bye [01:27] I figured a bunch of slackers would jump at the chance of arming an ubuntu machine with kill switch [01:28] mrselfpwn: I may have lied. [01:28] ubuntu is pretty nice lately [01:28] lemme try the beta [01:28] aight [01:28] nix_chix0r: tinychat? lol [01:28] StonedSlacker: Most slackers don't get off on destroying any computer system. [01:30] It's not like that. It's the owner of the computer who wants it. Being able to effeciently tear anything up is a sign of understanding how it is put together so I disagree in your assement of slackers. And even though Im not as sharp as you guys with the system I have been using slackware for more than 10 years so I consider myself a slacker and I love tearing shit up. [01:31] mrselfpwn: the beta drivers may work, let me check [01:31] I like to tear down computers to see how they work, but only if I can put them back together again [01:31] yeah no one wants a bunch of non working hardware [01:31] agreed. [01:31] Well what ever this guy is doing, he doesnt want the evidence to survive [01:32] so just blow it up and be done with it [01:32] StonedSlacker: Well, i have know idea what your intentions are as far as making a script to completly wipe a system. It seems a little lame. [01:32] no* [01:32] I say he should just give me the netbook [01:33] Well it pays $500, that buys alot of lamer comfort [01:33] StonedSlacker: he can't just use a bootable disk like dban to destroy his harddrive? [01:33] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:33] He barely knows how tro turn a computer on dude [01:34] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-22.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:34] mrselfpwn: looks like the beta is going to work [01:34] I set him up some software that does one thing and when he's done he wants it to die. He's got money so I dont care about talking him into anything else. [01:35] NaCl: sweet, is that on slackbuilds.org, or do we need to get it from nvidia? [01:35] I love the challenge anyway. Even if he said tomorrow dont worry about it I would still do it on my spare computer. [01:35] do the beta driver sinclude 32 bit compatbilioty now? [01:35] StonedSlacker: it would be a lot more simple telling him how to burn dban iso to cd than creating whatever it is you want to create [01:36] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:36] I'm not gonna argue that but I the script is way cooler. [01:36] humm, fluxbox doesn't seem to fit very well afaict [01:36] mrselfpwn: get from nvidia [01:36] StonedSlacker: maybe though then again this really isn't the place for help on creating it. [01:37] lol [01:37] NaCl: thanks. that will save me a headache in the near future i'm usre. [01:37] sure* [01:37] Make sure to get the *newest beta*. It is not obvious where it is. [01:38] yeah, i have thier ftp link saved. XD [01:38] I'm fine with that. I'm just here bullshittin and talking to other computer knurds, not a big deal hoss. [01:38] grazymax (~grazymax@host167-5-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:38] Look for something modified really recently in ftp.download.nvidia.org [01:38] aight [01:38] NaCl: do the nvidia beta drivers contain 32bit compatibility libraries now? [01:38] don't think so [01:38] darn [01:39] mrselfpwn: ftp://download.nvidia.org [01:39] sweet, thanks [01:40] datz (datz@mke-66-97-120-246.milwpc.com) left ##slackware. [01:41] well...upgrade-all has finished, time for reboot.... [01:41] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:42] hmmm - was going to ask him if he also did "install-new" before booting [01:43] same here heheh [01:44] off to reboot.. [01:44] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [01:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:51] grazymax (~grazymax@host194-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[01:55] i'll fix it. don't feel like it yet though :D [01:56] yeah, i probably won't run in to too many bugs until i update my desktop [01:56] DeputyDERPDERP: If your nick is registered, identify to it if you haven't already and then run /msg nickserv SET ENFORCE ON [01:57] yeah its registered [01:57] identify [01:57] its identified [01:57] and i did /mode +i [01:57] but dunno if it actually set it [01:57] then run /msg nickserv set enforce on [01:57] might want to ask in #freenode [01:57] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] /msg mrselfpwn identify [01:58] that is the correct syntax iirc [01:58] DeputyDERPDERP: no, run the command I gave, don't just use /mode +i [01:58] oh alright [01:58] DeputyDERPDERP: and don't do what mrselfpwn said. :P [01:58] so i should just just enforce command? [01:58] just use [01:58] DeputyDERPDERP: yes [01:58] instead of /mode +i? [01:58] alright thanks [01:58] yes [01:58] i just got slackware 13 current installed [01:59] had the worse problems [01:59] nvidia driver: unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in '/lib/modules/2.6.33/source' [01:59] wat? [01:59] had to reinstall a packages because /boot was empty [01:59] sup DeputyDERPDERP [01:59] SUP BOTNET [01:59] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [01:59] botnet: get a beta [01:59] botnet: we meant to ask you first did you run slackpkg install-new before your reboot? [01:59] enjoying your X? cause im not [01:59] I AM ENJOYING MY X [01:59] botnet: second to what NaCl said for nvidia [01:59] VERY KDE AND HUEG BECAUSE I DONT DOWNLOAD DRIVERS [01:59] but beta doesnt have 32bit compatibilty, and also no i forgot to install-new [01:59] DeputyDERPDERP: cut the caps [02:00] botnet: need to do that [02:00] will do now [02:00] botnet is a bro [02:00] he needs me to type in all caps [02:00] I don't. [02:00] i can see just fine on this 640x480 console lol [02:00] HEH [02:01] now i'm dong it ^^ [02:01] he cant see on account his drivers fucked up. he shouldnt of updated and now he can only see in all caps [02:01] um [02:01] so the only current workign nvidia driver is the beta? [02:02] finding that on links is going to be fun [02:02] botnet: lemme link you [02:02] x86-64? [02:02] yes [02:02] and thanks [02:03] this means i cannot play games on wine though :( [02:03] linux has no gaems [02:03] This is what you got for running -current. :P [02:03] anyone have any idea as to how to have this slackbuild see my libreadline.so ? [02:03] i know... [02:03] current is for men who seek adventure [02:03] it's there though the script just isn't seeing it [02:03] grow some hair on your chest [02:04] botnet: if ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/195.36.08/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-195.36.08-pkg0.run doesn't work, set your xorg driver to 'nv' and look for it that way [02:04] tuvok302 (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-12.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [02:04] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-12.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] now to figure out how to copy and paste on the console.. [02:04] Nick change: tuvok302Lappy -> tuvok302 [02:05] botnet: check your logs. [02:05] what would be in my logs? [02:05] The link I just put here. [02:05] ohhh good call [02:06] hey [02:06] http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/Intelligence/40-Fast-Facts-on-Linux-727574/ [02:06] I've got to go. [02:06] cya all later [02:06] now to find where irssi puts logs [02:06] later salt [02:06] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:07] Thom1 (~thom1@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-240-237.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] hi [02:08] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) joined ##slackware. [02:08] botnet: oh, and you may want to blacklist the nouveau module and reboot. [02:09] And if you didn't enable logging, it probably isn't there, sorry. [02:09] Action: NaCl disappears for real [02:09] since I upgraded my slackware-13.0 (with openssl), lighttpd doesn't start, I have this message : 2010-03-02 08:08:45: (network.c.529) SSL: error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0) . Can anyone help me please ? I don't really know what to do ? [02:11] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:11] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.44.62) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:13] botnet: middle mouse button [02:13] botnet: or with mouse 3 button emulation both buttons at once will past to console [02:13] im on a laptop, and i dont think middle mouse emulation will work without X [02:13] oh it does work? [02:14] yeah you gotta do rm -rf [02:14] laughinggirls.tiff [02:14] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-28-58.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:14] yes [02:14] botnet: it works [02:14] ok i rm -rf'd C:\ but its not pasting [02:14] but i found it on links [02:14] lol [02:15] why aren't you using an external mous? [02:15] i am hoping once it loads in links, i can save it... [02:15] are you really using the trackpad? [02:15] because the external mouse is right next to me, but not plugged in [02:15] you should jam a trackpoint in the center of your ideapad and use that [02:15] it should work [02:16] i plugged my mouse in, that worked [02:16] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.190) joined ##slackware. [02:16] grazymax (~grazymax@host194-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:19] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:21] woo! -current now has bash 4 as the default! [02:21] bash 5 is for pros [02:22] and the beta driver doesnt work... [02:22] ext4 + kde4 + bash4 = my new system XD [02:22] i mad [02:22] lol y u mad for? [02:22] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [02:22] bye [02:22] Thom1 (thom1@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-240-237.adsl.proxad.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [02:23] invalid module format for agpgart.ko and nvidia.ko [02:24] sortremord (~martin@187.5.235.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:24] download more ram bro [02:24] its all in exe files [02:24] okay gonna have to ask you to click a lot and yell [02:24] if it doesnt work [02:24] hit it a bit [02:25] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:25] anyone who isnt DeputyDERPDERP have an idea why its sayign invalid module format? [02:26] everyone else is my other names [02:26] im running 100 machines with different names on this channel [02:27] botnet, are you using 2.6.33? the driver might not be updated for it yet. wait a while, use nv for now. [02:27] is nv included with slackware or is that a separate download? [02:28] included, it's a free driver, it only does 2D graphics. [02:28] ahh, yeah seeing as X is working, i could have just waited a second [02:28] thanks [02:28] just remove your xorg.conf and you will be using nv automatically. [02:30] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [02:30] actually its not working...it just goes too a black screen [02:30] grazymax (~grazymax@host97-36-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:31] failed to initialize glx extension the log says [02:31] gah ill just use vesa [02:31] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.107) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:32] Yeah, i'm seeing some effects from the libpng deal. wicd-client for one. [02:32] vesa isnt working either... [02:34] you can be badass and use lynx for interwebs all your life [02:34] and talk on finch [02:34] ill just learn to be content without X [02:34] and act superior to those bloated Xorg users [02:34] well, i already uninstalled my icons anyway so i guess i won't see much effect [02:34] i can still troll /tech/ [02:34] go to /tech/ and troll instead [02:34] hivemind [02:35] fermi Q4 2049 1.7 yeilds woodscrews [02:35] or reinstall the older kernel... [02:35] dont do it [02:35] itll break [02:35] but then id have to locate my disk [02:35] actually do it [02:35] and also reboot [02:35] ill send you mine through the internet [02:36] hold on about to shove it in my modem [02:36] i think its on the table over there, but that is like across the room [02:36] whats your phoneip to send through modem? [02:36] get a woman to hand it to you [02:36] 127.0.0.1 [02:36] wheres your waifu [02:36] across the table [02:36] shes across the table? [02:36] tell her to throw it to you [02:36] i just dont want to reboot [02:37] make her press the button [02:38] gahhhh pidgin [02:38] connection reset by peer [02:39] now that you talk of your graphux problems [02:39] i need to install my nvidia drivers [02:39] too lazy though [02:39] but this 800x600 so annoying [02:39] like watching two monkeys.. [02:39] are you saying im so fat im like two monkeys? [02:40] heh [02:40] nah, i'm joking around [02:40] fat jokes are serious business mister [02:40] you know the old addage [02:40] and serious consquences will follow [02:40] two monkeys trying to screw a football [02:40] screw a football? [02:40] where will they stick it in? [02:41] what I was about to ask you [02:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:41] AH! it was .Xauthority [02:41] X is now working [02:41] could pop it, make a hole, install some veet in there [02:42] feels just like the real thing [02:42] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:42] resolution is absurd, and no icons, feels good man [02:43] greetings ladies and gentlemen [02:43] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:43] hows my favourite chatroom doing today? [02:43] doing super duper [02:43] how about you [02:43] we're lamenting having updated immediately [02:44] im not updating [02:44] itll break [02:44] and imma cry [02:44] my brain is still exploded from eariler today [02:44] only thing "broken" here is no icons, which i guess i need to fix libpng to fix, and resolution is HUEG [02:44] DeputyDERPDERP, you can not spell, can you? xD no offence, just a light joke [02:44] replacing bad drives [02:45] its called internets sortremord [02:45] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:45] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:45] u speel lyk dis on da interwebz [02:45] no [02:45] it took me a moment to figure out what a sortremord was, then i saw it was the other persons nick [02:45] I spell like this, anywhere [02:45] wut teh kool kyds r doin [02:46] sortremord means you get angry at anymore intentially misspelling english [02:47] angry? [02:47] where? :) [02:47] Shingoshi (~shingoshi@c-98-246-121-125.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] I clearly stated it was a joke [02:47] Not anger [02:47] wut [02:47] DeputyDERPDERP: It will only make you look stupid [02:47] wats a heavy joke [02:47] reed abov, ful! [02:47] NOM NOM NOM SANDVICHES [02:47] heavy is a cool guy [02:48] I kann tyep liek thees az wel [02:48] pprkut: greets bro ;) how are you? [02:48] handles heavy weapons and doesnt afraid of anything [02:48] The-Croupier: good good. Right now I'm wondering if I'm still in ##slackware though.... [02:48] Action: The-Croupier loves the use of bad english,.... i hope they dont call it american at some point :( [02:48] The-Croupier, are you English as well? [02:48] i is speeking americans [02:49] u hatin? [02:49] not yet, but rage is building [02:49] pprkut: i got an idea...someone should make a script for slackboy to redirect to ##slackware-offtopic or channel of his choice ;) [02:49] hey pprkut :) [02:49] hey fire|bird [02:49] The-Croupier: I already have a bot in ##slackware-offtopic :) [02:49] fire|bird: greetings ;) ii saw your statistics webpage the other day ;) [02:50] nah, slackbox is fine as it is [02:50] i saw dat movie hackers [02:50] u guys sound like dem [02:50] slackboy too [02:50] fire|bird: yes mranderson "its glad we meet again" [02:50] hmm. im having problem with samba.. I have a samba shared shared on a openbsd box and mounting it on slackware. I mount it at /home/backup on the openbsd box backup:backup is owner of /home/backup and chmod 777 and I have chmod 777 on the mountpoint in slackware. but when I mount it it get permission as username 1000 and I cant change that as root either.. how can I fix that? [02:50] fire|bird: i was there when it went crazy at some point...some time ago ;) [02:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:51] The-Croupier: yeah, it had AI which did *not* go well. :P [02:51] really fun ;) we were looking for you till BP{k} killed it i think ... awsome times i lmao ;) [02:51] rsync is the new duracell. It runs, and runs, and runs,.... [02:51] Action: The-Croupier agrees with pprkut ^^ [02:51] The-Croupier: yeah, BP has killing powers over the bot. :) [02:51] fire|bird: only the bot?! [02:51] too much smiling going on :( [02:52] agreed :) [02:52] DeputyDERPDERP: i could tell slackboy to make you cry if you like ;) [02:52] :o [02:52] sortremord: you too :p [02:52] The-Croupier me too [02:52] \o/ <-- it reminds me of the SURE commericals [02:52] Shingoshi (~shingoshi@c-98-246-121-125.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:53] The-Croupier: xD [02:53] fire|bird: anything new on the slackworld these days... been off for a bit ..;) [02:53] The-Croupier: -current got major updates today. [02:53] yall use a emotition at end of every post?~ [02:53] i noticed phrag is back for a bit [02:53] there you go, libpng.SlackBuild. Gotta read.... [02:53] so kawaii =^_^= [02:53] yes :) [02:53] fire|bird: nice, glad to here that [02:53] heh heh :D [02:54] i is hackers now :O [02:54] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [02:54] pprkut: yeah, I need to do that on my laptop, Xfce has no icons on the panel or menus. (rebuild libpng it seems) [02:54] i will reinstall tomorrow, my little laptop crashed ...(my fault) i push it too much sometimes...poor thing [02:54] so we rebuild libpng-1.4.0 then manually symlink? [02:55] symlink w hat? [02:55] what* [02:55] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:55] the .so files as per rworkmans and dive's posts [02:55] on LQ [02:56] fire|bird: I was just reading the comments. -EDONTCARE about gtk [02:57] is there something lighter than fluxbox ;) [02:57] Action: The-Croupier wonders [02:57] fire|bird: if I understood rworkman correctly, it's a gtk rebuild that's necessary [02:57] openbox [02:57] The-Croupier: framebuffer :o [02:57] fluxbox is great if you like bloat [02:57] openbox is the champion [02:57] you people still use X? [02:58] what else is there botnet ? [02:58] hahaha_oh_wow.exe.JPEG [02:58] no i pretend to to be a hipster [02:58] Action: The-Croupier likes to have no borders, small icons everywhere, transparent terminals, and quick loading of software...thats it :( [02:58] im on console only [02:58] but when people arent looking im using the superior text only [02:58] no, I run init 3 and irssi [02:58] framebuffer drivers are for kids [02:58] the way to go [02:58] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.231.158) joined ##slackware. [02:58] pprkut: from LQ, For now, if you search around online, find libpng-1.4.0.tar.xz, comment out the manual symlink creation in the SlackBuild script for libpng, and build that version yourself, everything should be fine for now. [02:58] botnet: how o you browse the interwebs? [02:58] lynx [02:58] wget and curl [02:58] like the pros [02:58] lol [02:58] FUUUUUUU [02:59] curling [02:59] fire|bird: hmm, ok. I haven't read LQ yet today [02:59] danish curling chicks, mmm [02:59] no, really, my X is almost as bad as my console, apart from window management [02:59] i like X, as long it does not have borders and loads the interwebs ;) [02:59] pprkut: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/#post3881937 [02:59] russian curling chicks are hot [03:00] why are there no nude pics of them then [03:00] :D [03:00] i popped a pimple and smelled the stuff that came out [03:00] i need to get back in here on my X as switching VT's is not fun [03:00] smells weird [03:00] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:00] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:00] firebird, check www.ksandro.info ;) check the other category... im thinking of adding some more stuff in the categories... ;) [03:00] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Action: The-Croupier looking for suggestions :( [03:00] welcome back botnet [03:01] alright...this is marginally better, i can mutlitask with ease! [03:01] you got windows now? [03:01] fire|bird: that says something about just adding a symlink ;) [03:01] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-237.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:01] im on X with the vesa driver, so the resolution is crazy hige, and i have no icons [03:01] DeputyDERPDERP: he said multitask ^^ read man [03:01] multitasking is for women [03:02] anyway, I couldn't care less about gtk not working [03:02] run ps -A, woman [03:02] DeputyDERPDERP: or for productive users :p [03:02] are you calling yourself a prositute? [03:02] pprkut: lol, yeah, I see that part now, hadn't looked at the whole thing. :P [03:02] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [03:03] alright, im going to try rebuilding libpng now i guess... [03:03] get some legos [03:03] and glue them together [03:03] DeputyDERPDERP, someone needs to learn logics [03:03] so it does break again [03:03] logic and statistics took that class [03:03] botnet, why are you using the vesa drivers? [03:03] in highschool [03:04] really? it does not look like so, sorry [03:04] try harder next time, lmao [03:04] sortremord: because the nvidia drivers do not compile, and nv drivers give me a crazy rainbox kaleidoscope in X [03:04] wanna see my report cards fool [03:04] no thanks, I am fine here, go play with LEGO [03:04] you a mega blocks fan? [03:05] botnet, nouveau, you mean? [03:05] because it just seemed like you were just hating on legos [03:05] i played with legos a few days a go, made a giant robot out of them [03:05] StonedSlacker (~mudd@clt-69-171-167-50.evdo.leapwireless.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:05] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:05] this dude is a megablocks fan botnet [03:05] DeputyDERPDERP, again, learn logics [03:05] whichever driver loads automatically with no xorg.conf [03:05] thank you [03:05] ill google logics then [03:05] botnet, yeah, it is probably "nouveau" [03:05] brb [03:06] botnet: have you tried the latest nvidia dricver version? 195.xx? [03:06] DeputyDERPDERP, okay, have a good time [03:06] http://www.logicshair.com/ [03:06] did someone msg me in the channel in the last couple hours? I have been away studying.... [03:06] saying my hair is bad? [03:07] MoMo (~Mo@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] pprkut: yes, i get invalid module format for agpgart.ko and nvidia.ko with the beta driver [03:07] i have two questions -- 1 ) running slackware 13, how do i change my hostname [03:08] -- I don't have KDE -- using console [03:08] hostname botnet && echo botnet > /etc/hostname [03:08] as root of course [03:08] botnet: it's not a beta driver, it's stable [03:08] its only referenced once? in /etc/hostname =) [03:08] well, i used 195.36.08 [03:09] MoMo: you might need to edit /etc/hosts if you have your local hostname set in there too [03:10] last i checked, that was the latest beta, but that was a few weeks ago, this time i just downloaded the newest oen i saw on the ftp site [03:11] botnet: cool -- what do i have to restart to make the change [03:11] botnet: hmm, ok [03:13] MoMo: your pc would be a good idea...;) [03:13] MoMo: you shouldnt need to restart anything [03:13] maybe X, but not positive [03:13] i changed it in all 3 references -- however i don't see the change [03:14] MoMo: edit /etc/HOSTNAME to reflect the fully-qualified domain name, then as root "hostname MoMo, a reboot helps change hostname. [03:14] oh -- i thought i could get away with restarting a service of sometype [03:15] sorry - 'hostname ' without the full domain should do it [03:15] or if you want to do it the same way that /etc/rc.d/rc.M does it: '/bin/hostname $(cat /etc/HOSTNAME | cut -f1 -d .)' [03:15] oh youre not on X, so yeah, reboot is probably needed [03:15] i usually try to do it on the fly, fail miserably and just restart. [03:16] hmm [03:16] can i have a _ in my hostname? [03:16] Happy_Gilmore ? [03:16] yes [03:16] not recommended, but yes [03:16] probably no. "-" -- yes. [03:16] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:17] - is kosher ... cool [03:19] second question -- if i wanted to install DBRL -- how would i do it -- I am familier with apt-get but i am trying to make a transition to slackware [03:19] okay...why is rebuilding libpng being so difficult.. [03:19] _ is part of zerconf hostnames [03:19] *zeroconf [03:20] MoMo, you might have to compile it. however, you can look for packages on www.linuxpackages.net [03:20] MoMo, and there are SlackBuilds that make packages from source code www.slackbuilds.org [03:20] MoMo: lp.net is not a good idea [03:21] MoMo: check the second link sortremord said ;) is safier and better ;) [03:21] you know...icons are for jerks anyway... [03:21] but why is this slackbuild so...obtuse? [03:21] obtuse?! [03:21] MoMo, also if you are familiar with apt-get you may try slapt-get, but that is a bit "non slack" for me and I think most people here would agree [03:21] since this machine is not connected to the internet -- would a slackbuild be easist so i don't get stuck with missing dependancies? [03:22] yeah, i took, from the slackware mirror, the libpng.slackbuild, changed the version to 1.4.0, and theres errors all over te place [03:22] MoMo: try sbopkg as well ;) [03:22] if you are using slackware that is ;) [03:22] MoMo, SlackBuilds will not solve dependencies for you, for instance, you may have to compile a library at first for compiling another package at second [03:22] the slackbuild references $VERSION but doesnt define it...manually defining it, doesnt completely help either, as there are other unreferenced variables in there... [03:23] so yeah, im just going to wait a day until it gets properly fixed [03:23] botnet, can not you simply compile libpng's code itself, without using the SlackBuild? [03:23] probably.. [03:23] you could try that [03:24] src2pkg too [03:24] of course it does not the advantages of packaging [03:24] is there src2pkg? o_o [03:24] I did not know that one [03:25] im trying to get the linking to work correctly, and im not exactly certain how to do that, as the slackbuild says one way, rworkman says to do two different things [03:25] yes, it's nice, but it helps to understand packaging anyways -- lots of things need extra details [03:25] libs often src2okg with no options [03:25] *pkg [03:26] botnet, I personally would try compiling the raw code without using the SlackBuild [03:26] if the SlackBuild did not work after modifying it [03:26] or try src2pkg [03:27] oh im sure i can just compile it, but still dont know what to do with the linking [03:27] have you searched on google? [03:27] sortremord: i dunno, slapt-get and slackpkg have little differences except for their interfaces/options. I actual prefer the former [03:27] I assume you did [03:27] *actually [03:27] DeputyDERPDERP (~root@r75-110-36-127.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:27] yeah, and the results tell me to make a symlink, which i did, but i still have no icons [03:28] botnet, have you restarted X? [03:28] then rworkman says to use 1.4.0 instead, and not symlink anything [03:28] yes [03:28] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:28] SiegeX, yeah, but automatic dependency solving seems a lot "non slack" for me [03:29] SiegeX, what do you think? [03:29] slapt-get and linuxpackages are not supported here due to 3rd party unmonitored binaries [03:29] Action: The-Croupier agrees with ^^ [03:29] sortremord: it only does that with packages that support dependancy metadata, of which official slackware packages dont have, so they are identical in that regard [03:30] SiegeX, still it does that [03:30] SiegeX and most people will "slapt-get --install " [03:30] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:30] what's wrong with that [03:31] focusing on "oh, it solves dependencies, this is great, no need to compile things or solve dependencies myself" [03:31] assuming your source is an official mirror [03:31] well, ask Patrick, he sure knows what he did [03:31] and Slackware does not solve dependencies automatically for a reason [03:32] several, actually [03:32] im not sure you understand what im saying. slapt-get --install when "" is from an official source will *NOT* resolve any dependancies whatsoever [03:32] SiegeX, I got you, but most people will use slapt-get for its dependency solving feature [03:33] needed dependencies are in README :) [03:33] i used slapt-get on my first slackware install (12.1) it broke... [03:33] unless you want slapt-get dependency checking, why not just go ahead and use slackpkg which is supported? [03:33] never used slapt-get again, and its never broken since [03:33] exactly [03:33] especially if you're going to use official mirrors [03:33] but yes, unlike slackpkg it can be pointed to unofficial sources. If you are the type of person who 1) doesn't trust themselves 2) installs packages while sleepwalking 3) afraid of being possessed by linuxpackages.net demons, then ok, slackpkg may be safer for you [03:34] slackpkg can also be pointed to unofficial mirrors as well, as long as they conform to slackware mirror layout [03:34] botnet: did you read UPGRADE.TXT? [03:34] sbopkg is excellent, if you want to introduce instability into your slackware, by all means, let someoen else manage your packages [03:34] alisonken1noc: options for scriptability is my #1 [03:35] ummm. no..i havent.... [03:35] granted i havnt looked at slackpkg in some time but when i did, it wasn't very script friendly [03:35] well, I prefer compiling things by myself, but I use slackpkg for managing packages [03:35] botnet: well, you would have broken it just as much with the 'official' slackpkg then [03:35] because UPGRADE.TXT would have no doubt told you to update/change a config for said problem. [03:35] no i mean, i broke slack 12.1 by installing third party stuff with slapt-get [03:36] :) [03:36] this sounds alot like a gun debate doesn't it [03:36] not so much broke, as it got unstable and started crashing for no obvious reason [03:36] AK-47 FTW! [03:36] sortremord: might try sbopkg for slackbuilds.org as well [03:36] blaming the gun rather than the guy who shot you [03:36] AR-15 FTW! [03:36] hell ya [03:37] or 1911-M1 for personal attention :) [03:37] libpng's brokenness is known and not related to not reading upgrade.txt [03:37] alison [03:37] California Assalt rifle law loopholes FTW [03:37] oh well, that is the same as saying the problem with Windows is the user [03:37] well, THAT problem is 50/50 :) [03:37] often times it is [03:37] yeah right [03:38] many often [03:38] many many often [03:38] but this is very clear cut case. slapt-get did not break botnet's system. botnet broke his system when he pointed slapt-get at an untrusted source [03:38] true [03:39] true, but isnt the point of using slapt-get to let it manage your packages, instead of yourself? [03:39] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-237.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:39] botnet: don't use slapt-get. it's not needed [03:39] i dont use it, i was pointing out why, when i did use it, i learned quickly why not to use it [03:39] botnet: if anything use sbopkg and add the source for your slapt-get sources to it's repos [03:39] in my eyes, slapt-get has the same as the point of slackpkg [03:39] botnet: ahh [03:40] botnet: you *should* have learned why not to use unoffical sources [03:40] right , with if you use sbopkg adding repos is very easy [03:40] botnet: slapt-get did not break anything, you did [03:40] SiegeX: again, slapt-get is not supported, but slackpkg is, so you may want to go back and revisit it since it's now mainline and not in /extra [03:40] well now i have manually created a libpng package from version 1.4.0, not sure about linking... [03:41] for instance i have a rworkman repo and alien repo added to sbopkg ;) [03:41] well, yes, i am the one that ran slapt-get [03:41] botnet: you are the one who set SOURCE to an *unofficial repo* [03:41] botnet: what problem did you encounter? [03:41] it did what it was supposed to do, and follow whatever sources i guve it then install it all [03:42] why woud i use slapt-get with an official rep? [03:42] repo* [03:42] mrselfpwn: you mean when i used slapt-get? [03:42] botnet: why would you use 'slackpkg' with an official repo? [03:42] i started getting X crashes [03:42] yes [03:42] ah [03:42] botnet: my point is it's superfluous [03:42] SiegeX: to install, upgrade, and manage slackware packages. how else woudl i use it? [03:42] sbopkg is great [03:43] it's not official though much beter than slapt-get [03:43] botnet: you just answered your own question [03:43] yeah i use sbopkg, src2pkg, and manual compile+makepkg these days [03:43] and you can even add the slapt-get repos to it [03:43] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:43] just the slackbuild part of thier repos.. the source part [03:43] im not sure what you are getting at SiegeX [03:43] i'll help you if you need a hand. [03:43] mrselfpwn: have you fixed libpng? [03:44] botnet: no reason to [03:44] botnet: slackpkg and slapt-get have the same purpose, if you can understand why slackpkg exists, you should understand why slapt-get exists [03:44] can I use a 3G modem on Slackware? [03:44] ...especially since slapt-get existed first [03:44] it's not causing any issue on my netbook [03:44] mrselfpwn: then why are my icons not working? [03:44] just because slapt-get can point to unoffical repos does not mean that is the only reason to use it [03:44] SiegeX: may need to go back and review the different purposes of slapt-get and slackpkg [03:44] and in fact, i have *never* used it in that regard [03:44] very different reasons [03:44] botnet: I uninstalled most of my icons so if any are not working I really don't care much anyway. [03:45] SiegeX: slackpkg is uncluded in slackware, why would i install an unoficial package manager? [03:45] ah i see, [03:45] yeah, The Man chose it himself [03:45] i uninstalled all as a matter of fact and when I get around to it will install a custom set [03:45] even tango are gone [03:45] but even my firefox icons ar enot working [03:46] mine are [03:46] arent those built into the source? [03:46] hmm? [03:46] tango is a pkg [03:46] did you do anything different? [03:46] i use e17 on my netbook [03:46] probably the difference [03:46] ahh, im using gtk with openbox [03:47] im in no way advocating slapt-get over slackpkg. If slackpkg's 'official' status gives you the warm fuzzies then by all means use it. what I am doing is trying to stop the spread of FUD that slapt-get seems to recieve. pointed at an offical source, it truly behaves exactly the same as slackpkg. And, at the time i looked at slackpkg, slapt-get's interface was more scriptable [03:47] e17 uses it's own stuff for the most part [03:47] gtk things can be configured though are optional [03:47] i see what you are saying SiegeX [03:47] SiegeX, yeah, you are right [03:48] SiegeX, I mean, I/some of us do not see a point on using it [03:48] i guess i was equating using slapt-get with becoming lazy and using it to automate the installation of everything without checking it thoroughly beforehand, which would be the users fault [03:48] SiegeX: It's just that people come in with dependency problems after using slapt-get, sbopkg does not retrieve deps for you. [03:48] which i learned quickly is bad practice [03:48] that is the difference [03:48] SiegeX since the only feature I would use on it would be dependency solving, but I do not like that [03:48] but, things change. so I may need to go back and reevaluate slackpkg. mainly I would need to alter it so that this script I wrote to email you a nice log of what packages changed along with the changelog snippit for them: http://www.aetherstorm.com/slapt_update [03:49] if slackpkg has something like that out of the box well then, that would make my life a whole lot easier. I'm guessing it doesn't [03:49] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:49] I used to install third-party binary packages for some time (2 years) since I started with slackware. now I either sbopkg stuff, or submit my own slackbuild. [03:49] mrselfpwn: you mean slackpkg [03:49] I read the changelog, that does the trick [03:49] it's a matter of whether you trust the packager. [03:49] SiegeX: no, actually I was talking about sbopkg compared to slapt-get [03:50] and i basically did the same as slava_dp [03:51] SiegeX: my point is that sbopkg can handle the same repose slapt-get uses [03:51] most anyway [03:51] and thats what i do as well. I maintain ~5-7 SBo packages, and every now and then I get an email from my slapt_update script that an offical package has been updated and i do 'slapt-get --update' just as you would do with slackpkg [03:51] though it _can_ cause issues [03:51] mrselfpwn: for 3rd party stuff, ok I can see that. [03:52] and I have faced them [03:52] but perhaps i am the minority that actually uses slapt-get for official sources. [03:52] i dunno [03:52] darn, I forgot I am not running Slackware on this laptop [03:52] SiegeX, I think you use the good features of slapt-get [03:53] SiegeX: it's just personal preference. If you can maintain your system with the desired results with either one then great and have at it. [03:53] tuvok302 (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-12.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [03:53] it is good we have both [03:54] SiegeX: Though if someone comes in who was suggested package manager X and has a problem because they weren't paying attention then it's "not supported" ;) [03:55] i have no problem with that. I just wish I saw more "pointing to unofficial sources is a quick way to break your system" rather than "slapt-get is a quick way to break your box" [03:55] So normally I only suggest sbopkg because it's supported unofficially and is a good program [03:55] SiegeX: i agree it is the sources. [03:56] SiegeX, I think slapt-get is great, and it is good we have both, but it is great for those who know how to use it properly [03:56] oh damnit...i was about to make a post about the no icons thing, only to find the submit post icon doesnt appear... [03:56] and if that's followed by "use slackpkg because it forces you to use official sources", im fine with that [03:56] because they add multiple sources with comflicting packages [03:56] SiegeX: well, that is also what slackware is great for. No one judges on how a person decides to do things. :) [03:57] anyway, looking at my update script. I would need slackpkg to be able to 1) do a trial run (--simulate) 2) download packages but not install (--download-only) 3) support exclusion of packages with regex 4) the ability to ignore said exclusions (--ignore-excludes) [03:58] so out of that, how does the latest slackpkg fare? [03:59] have you used it? [03:59] PWNED, just joking about the nick [04:00] xD [04:00] mrselfpwn: its been about 1.5yr since ive looked at it [04:00] because slackpkg has an exclusion list [04:00] when I did, it was lacking pretty much all of those IIRC [04:00] Use it then ask those questions. [04:00] with some luck, i will be right back... [04:00] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:01] what do I need to set up to be able to send email using "mail" ? [04:01] sendmail [04:01] SiegeX: because slackpkg does 3/4 and with that the 4th is not needed [04:01] which #) is 4 [04:01] first [04:01] --simulation? [04:02] why would you want to simulate an install? [04:02] i may be mistaken though haven't had to use the function [04:02] nvision (~nvision@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:02] i could live without that [04:02] dive, ok, I guess I will have to set up sendmail eventually. i heard it's a tricky thing. [04:03] gbaker (~gbaker@ppp121-44-28-152.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] actually, only the sendmail binary needs to be there - you only need to configure sendmail if you want it to handle incoming/relay mail [04:03] well the default slackware config should work [04:03] SiegeX: yeah, i was very happy once i delved into slackpkg [04:03] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] SiegeX: granted it's only for the official repos though it does handle /extra etc.. [04:03] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:03] nope, did not work [04:03] alisonken1noc, the binary uses submit.cf though so he may want to look at it [04:04] actually, no. i cannot. --simulate is very important because it allows my script to create its output without actually doing anything [04:04] dive: true, but I'm pretty sure the submit.cf default should be ok [04:04] then sbopkg which makes up for the rest as far as slapt-get and i'm happier I can control my own deps. [04:04] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:04] then later i can selectively decide if i want to update the packages [04:04] SiegeX: /bin/true [04:04] brb [04:04] SiegeX: it is open source [04:04] SiegX: alternately, 'ROOT=/tmp/otherroot slackpkg ...' may be an alternative then [04:04] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [04:06] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:06] great [04:06] back [04:06] running irssi now [04:06] oh dive, i saw your post on libpng, ive rebuilt libpng-1.4.0 without doing any symlinking, is this correct? or am i supposed to a 'ln -s libpng14.so.14 libpng.so.14'? [04:06] and like alisonken1noc said, you can set root= [04:06] because rworkman says one thing, and your link says the other [04:06] botnet, if you rebuilt it, you probably dont't need to [04:06] okay, thanks [04:07] mrselfpwn: just so you can understand what im blabbing about. Here is an email representative of what my script does --> http://pastebin.com/h0662CBK [04:07] botnet: if you link it and use makepkg, then makepkg will convert symlinks as well [04:07] i did a configure, make, make install DESTDIR, then makepkg [04:08] mrselfpwn: so with that example, I need to be able to get the version information (ex. 'httpd-2.2.4-i486-1 => 2.2.4-i486-6') without actually doing the upgrade [04:08] pas mal celle-là [04:09] well, with no symlinking, i still have no icons [04:09] You should make some then and perhaps put it in doinst.sh [04:10] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:11] SiegeX: i normally see that provided with slackpkg upgrade-all if i'm not mistaken [04:11] dive: as noted, makepkg will convert symlinks to doisnt.sh lines [04:12] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:12] alisonken1noc, but the problem is that libpng wasn't making the symlinks. [04:12] And I have no icons even with symlinks [04:12] mrselfpwn: i assume slackpkg asks for confirmation with an upgrade-all. so i suppose i could use 'expect' to just say no but that seems kinda lame. too bad there isn't a 'no' util like there is for 'yes' [04:13] which is strange [04:13] oh wait, 'yes' takes an option string [04:13] man people do things like that? -> http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1872 [04:13] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-28-58.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [04:13] alisonken1noc, dive, well my mail is not being sent with the default sendmail. i don't see what to tweak... [04:13] so maybe i could do: yes no | slackpkg update-all. and then parse the output for my version info [04:13] slava_dp: see what /var/log/maillog shows after sending email [04:14] SiegeX: indeed [04:14] slava_dp, have you tried sending mail to yourself locally? echo "hello" | mail slava_dp@hostname [04:14] slackpkg shows the new version and /var/log/packages has the version installed [04:14] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:15] SiegeX: yes it does. try slackpkg update slackpkg upgrade-all [04:15] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [04:15] SiegeX: that was my concern too. it's actually an ncurses menu. :D [04:15] it goes "connection refused by localhost" [04:16] alright...also dhclient is now broken... [04:16] Action: slava_dp should probably start sendmail [04:16] mrselfpwn: that explains the 'DIALOG=' option in the .conf file [04:16] so ill just turn that off [04:16] SiegeX: I was scared it was just gonna do the deed when I first messed with it so I never used it, then after a reinstall I decided to give it a try and was very pleased. [04:16] SiegeX: :) [04:17] alisonken1noc, http://old.nabble.com/configure-does-not-make-libpng.so.14-td27044337.html [04:17] how do I get the time from a command? [04:17] like, the local time [04:17] date [04:17] thanks [04:18] I forgot that [04:18] how could I? [04:18] Action: sortremord slaps himself [04:18] because time is a different comman [04:18] d [04:18] $SECONDS :P [04:18] hah, lol, I started sendmail and sending mail now works. thanks guys. I'll read up on mail later. [04:18] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: ##suse [04:18] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:18] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [04:19] dive: true - but since makepkg is run separately, might as well add the link just before running makepkg [04:19] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:19] I have the link in place but still no icons in xfce :/ [04:20] same here dive [04:20] I was looking for a firefox addon that displayed battery status. Anyone seen one of those? [04:21] dive botnet, you lads could use fluxbox or openbox [04:21] nvision (~nvision@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: No route to host [04:21] sortremord: i do use openbox [04:21] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:22] mrselfpwn: its not a firefox addon, but if you use a systray, battmon.py is a nice python script for showing battery levels [04:22] botnet: thanks, though i have one for that. [04:22] ah okay [04:22] looking for firefox addon specifically [04:22] thanks for the info though [04:22] sortremord, yeah but that's not the point. We need to find a cure. [04:22] I use flux mostly [04:22] np, havent come across any FF addons to do that [04:22] update the makefile and submit to maintainers? [04:23] alisonken1noc, it seems that the links are being made, but something else is the problem [04:23] just looking at it now [04:24] ah - the 1.5 version problem? [04:25] or the libpng.so.14 problem? [04:26] not sure [04:26] libpng seems ok [04:26] nvision (~nvision@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:26] bah need food [04:26] Greyhound_ (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting... [04:26] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. 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[04:31] mrselfpwn: hmm, yes n | slackpkg upgrade-all did work (with DIALOG=no) but it doesn't tell you the new version # it wants to upgrade to. thats a bummer [04:37] SiegeX: the new version is the one it lists [04:37] the old version is the one in /var/log/packages [04:38] don't forget to figure out how to turn off paging for your script - ex: look at today's updates [04:39] BATCH= [04:40] and DEFAULT_ANSWER= [04:40] well - 520 packages get upgraded with today's batch of updates to -current [04:45] alienBOB, -current problem: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/0y4MiD22.html [04:46] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-50-116.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:46] dive: failed for /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: <- it says 2.10 [04:46] hmm strange [04:46] hmm, 'check-upgrades' in and of iteself may be sufficient to replace my update script [04:46] sortremord (martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [04:46] dive: check /var/log/packages, has gtk2+ really been updated? [04:46] just looking [04:47] Yes [04:47] but, how does one blacklist packages ending in _SBo? I tried putting '_SBo' in the blacklist file but that didn't seem to exclude them from 'clean-system' [04:47] And it is a known issue with the libpng package [04:47] blacklist seems to only look at the package name before any version info [04:47] doesn't that error mean it won't be possible to open png files in gtk? (or almost) [04:48] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:48] well I have no icons in xfce [04:48] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:49] alienBOB: any more details on that issue? [04:49] dive: Try "downgrading" to http://slackware.com/~alien/libpng-1.4.0-x86_64-1.txz [04:49] sounds like a pretty bad one [04:49] SiegeX: _SBo packages are not part of the official repository, so slackpkg still considers them as not part of a clean system [04:49] and yes - blacklist is for package name, not package+version [04:50] This is the package we had and which worked, but the 1.4.1 upgrade broke everything (mind you... 1.4.0 -> 1.4.1 manages to break not just Slackware but other distros too) [04:50] so looks like slackpkg's achilies heel right now is the lack of glob/regex support for blacklisting [04:50] maybe I could look into that [04:50] There is also http://slackware.com/~alien/libpng-1.4.0-x86_64-1.txz.asc which is the package signature (not Pat's but with my own GPG key) [04:50] 32bit also avail? [04:50] you can always submit a patch to slackpkg maintainers for that functionality [04:51] alienBOB: that package still leaves me with no icons or buttons in gtk applications [04:51] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [04:52] alienBOB: thanks [04:53] considering the libpng to be the only major downfall, seems as though everything else went smoothly [04:53] alisonken1home: I think I shall [04:53] mrselfpwn: theres also nvidia issues, but those are on their end, and dhclient for some reason isnt workign for me all of a sudden [04:53] sucks that it uses /bin/sh though, I cant use bash's =~ operator =( [04:54] botnet: right [04:54] aside from external 3rd party issuses [04:54] I find the libpng issue quite weird [04:54] issues* [04:54] well dhclient isnt third party [04:54] botnet: though is it even included in slackware now? [04:54] Action: mrselfpwn still uses dhcpcd [04:55] yeah its included [04:55] what is your issue with it? [04:55] what does 'nm /usr/lib*/libpjng14.so.14 |grep inflateReset' return? [04:55] SiegeX: look at reasoning for that - may be run from an install disk and bash is not always available due to busybox in install cd/dvd's [04:56] it doesnt recognize ifconfig and route as commands [04:56] those are in /sbin and dhclient needs to be run as root [04:56] botnet: are you root? do you have /sbin and /usr/sbin in your $PATH [04:57] i imagine puttng the full path into the dhclient-script would fix it, but its weird, that logging in as root, and running dhclient suddenly doesnt find those commands, when it did before the upgrade [04:57] one of these days ill ask (or look for myself) how other distros do it. cause [04:57] alienBOB, same error with 1.4.0 [04:58] yes, i am root, logged in initially as root, or su, or su -; same result [04:58] sudo also does the same [04:59] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-138-11.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [04:59] i can just use dhcpcd, but its still an issue [05:00] alisonken1noc: actually, bash (4.0) is ~700k in size. Perhaps this would be too much for a 1.44 floppy but with CD/DVD/USB stick install media, is it *really* that big of an issue? [05:01] dive: try renaming libpng12.so* temporarily [05:01] SiegeX: it's a matter of busybox, not really the cd/dvd issue [05:01] pprkut: you're going to break ABI! [05:01] and there are still minimal-install setups to consider as well [05:02] Camarade_Tux: er, no? It will just break everything that links to libpng12.so [05:02] granted i am no expert in making linux distro install media, but busybox is but just one exe which I would think could sit right along side a bash exec. you just wouldnt symlink /bin/bash to /bin/busybox or whathaveyou [05:03] pprkut: I'm not sure what you want to do: rename libpng12.so* to *what*? [05:03] pprkut, do you mean rename libpng12 to libpng14? [05:03] no - busybox is a lot of the /sbin|/bin utilities compiled into a single binary [05:03] SiegeX: it's bad practice and Slackware is best at not having those type of bad practices. [05:03] dive: no, just rename it so it is not found anymore, like "libihateyou.so" or alike [05:04] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [05:04] but the error is with libpng14 [05:04] not 12 [05:04] and if I ditch it it just won't work at all [05:04] pprkut: ah, ok, I thought you meant replace libpng12.so with libpng14.so or vice-cversa [05:05] dive: ah, ya, that's true, hrm, let me think [05:05] alisonken1home: im pretty sure thats what I said [05:05] its one exe [05:05] as in executable [05:05] Camarade_Tux: that's my reference here: https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/print.php?form=1&topic_id=15920&forum=37&order=ASC&start=0 [05:05] g4tt0 (~Romeo~@host151-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:05] hello world [05:05] hmmm, oldest commit in libpng's git repository: Date: Thu Jul 20 02:43:20 1995 -0500 =) [05:06] more update on current [05:06] O_O [05:06] I really cant see 700k making much of an impact these days so if having another executable sit alongside of busybox is really bad juju for some reason, ok..i guess [05:06] Camarade_Tux, wtf [05:06] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] but seems like a small price to pay to not have to script with 'sh' syntax [05:06] well, it's not the matter of bad juju, but you would have to rewrite _all_ of the scripts to take advantage of bashisms [05:07] ive actually offered to do that [05:07] at least with the main init scripts [05:07] I think it should be possible avoid the png issue by disabling the external loaders when compiling gtk, it might break other things but at least it should give png support back [05:08] SiegeX: then you would have to maintain separate branches for the install boot scripts v. normal boot scripts [05:08] busybox is pretty limited too, not only for the shell, find, ls, everything [05:08] pprkut: Apparently the problem is that the installation of gtk2 x86_64 gets confused by the [05:08] existance of /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so. [05:08] dive: can you check whether both libpng14.so and the gdk-pixbuf thing are linked against libz.so? [05:09] eating [05:09] if there was *another* libpng that was compiled by the user, then this is definitely expected [05:09] Camarade_Tux: yes, might be totally unrelated though to this problem here :/ [05:09] dive: enjoy :) [05:10] Action: mrselfpwn listens to Tool. [05:11] Action: Camarade_Tux listened to Tool too much [05:11] but can anyone run nm |grep inflateReset on libgpng14? [05:11] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl6-201-4.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:11] Action: mrselfpwn only listens when the time is perfect and needed. [05:11] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.202.225) joined ##slackware. [05:12] i will 1 sec [05:12] Action: alreadygone waves [05:12] pprkut, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/ and the pixbuf loader is a shell script [05:12] alisonken1noc: i dont see why. if everything is already written to /bin/sh then as long as you have the bash binary, you have both /bin/sh and /bin/bash point to /bin/bash rather than busybox and you slowly migrate the scripts [05:13] pprkut, 12 is linked to it and 14 isn't [05:13] SiegeX: /bin/sh is typically symlinked to bash - but bash detects if it's symlinked to /bin/sh and restricts itself to /bin/sh functionality [05:13] Camarade_Tux: damn, my laptop just died ^^ [05:13] you just couldnt say use 14.0 install/boot scripts on a 13.0 system. but not like those scripts dont get changed with every major rev [05:14] dive: that link is incomplete :) [05:14] alisonken1noc: right it puts it in posix mode [05:14] hmm? [05:14] mrselfpwn: hahaha :P [05:14] a [05:14] ah [05:14] but I'll take a look at that in a moment, I need to finish something first [05:14] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-77-182.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:14] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [05:15] hate when that happens. luckily we use linux and data loss is minimal ;) [05:15] pprkut, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/HeHvSg92.html [05:15] so step 1) throw bash binary alongside busybox, step 2) symlink /bin/sh to /bin/bash instead of busybox, step 3) slowly migrate scripts to use bash-isms and then change their she-bang line to say #!/bin/bash [05:15] helps if you click the button [05:15] :P [05:15] dive: me? [05:15] mrselfpwn, no me [05:15] ay [05:16] Action: mrselfpwn knows the feeling [05:16] alienBOB: I cannot check right now myself, but I think libpng14 is missing a -lz when being linked [05:16] no - if you want to do that, then install bash and link /bin/sh, then modify scripts to #!/bin/bash and use bashisms [05:16] but you have to get that past pat first :) [05:16] heh, how is that different from what I just said [05:17] Camarade_Tux: I was on this pc working and went to the netbook to check then crashes as I typed. Oh noes.. [05:17] XD [05:17] minus the getting pat on board part [05:17] step3 has you migrating to bashsims before changing shebang line - won't work [05:17] have to change shebang line first [05:18] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [05:18] migrate to bashism & change she-bang are both in step #3 for that reason [05:18] Revised 13 makefiles to remove "-lz" and "-L$(ZLIBLIB)", etc., from shared [05:18] library loader directive. [05:18] except it could be read as 3a and 3b [05:19] Camarade_Tux: that from git/svn/whatever? [05:19] Lab_Rat (~lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:19] well my point being you dont have to change the shebang of a script until you said script uses a bashism [05:19] pprkut: nah, didn't meant to past that, it's too old I think: 2002 and 1.2.5rc2 [05:19] s/you// [05:19] ah [05:20] SiegeX: actually, you _do_ have to change the shebang line first, since sh doesn't recognize bashisms [05:20] aha [05:20] i didnt think i need to be as literal to say 'before you save and attempt to run the script' [05:21] may have fixed it [05:21] :o [05:21] SiegeX: actually it's due to testing script during conversion that will get you [05:21] i mean the whole point of this is discussion is based around the fact that you cant use bashisms with /bin/sh at the shebang [05:21] but I'll just run git-bisect + nm*grep on my machine, brainless solution :-) [05:21] s/is// [05:22] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-201-4.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:24] no doubt there will be bugs introduced in the conversion, and it would ofc require rigourous testing but the beauty is that you can migrate the scripts at your leisure, you're not forced to do the whole deal in one shot. This would certainly qualify for a major version release so thats alot of time for testing. [05:24] perhaps in 15.0 [05:24] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [05:25] well, there again, these scripts are also used in minimal-install setups as well [05:25] bah, forgot I have to fix my kernel before I can update that machine =/ [05:25] and initrd is still used and where bash is not installed due to shared libs being needed as well [05:26] untill everyone has 4+g ram installed, initrd's still need to be kept small [05:26] s/4+g/64-bit/ [05:26] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-76-180.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:26] be interesting to see how big a statically linked bash is [05:27] how big is bash v3? i have 4 installed now [05:27] also depends on compiled options [05:27] and its 775k [05:27] 3.1.17(2) is 803k [05:28] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:30] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl10-139-214.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:31] Just made a post on the libpng fix if anyone needs it: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/#post3882213 [05:33] dive: I consider that a workaround, not a fix :P [05:33] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-76-180.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:33] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [05:33] true [05:34] Action: SiegeX builds statically linked bash4 as we speak to find out [05:35] pretty easy actually, just add --enable-static-link to buildscript [05:35] if the difference is between 1.4.0 and 1.4.1, it should hopefully be easy enough to find =) [05:37] thrashdude (~thrashdud@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [05:37] heh perhaps not as easy, build errors [05:38] well, just as long as we get this before debian does (hopefully they still use /bin/sh) =) [05:39] rwerken (~rob@131.211.62.230) joined ##slackware. [05:39] hmmm, according to http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3881952#post3881952 , libpng just broke the API in a release ? [05:40] considering stability issues, I would still be surprised if pat switches package scripts and boot scripts to bash before debian [05:40] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [05:40] dive, thanks, i didnt run the update gdk pixbif loaders command before, now its working [05:40] botnet, yeah that was what was failing [05:40] # cat /var/spool/clientmqueue/dfn41Ff8DW015922 [05:40] darkstar : May 2 00:41:08 : Xenius : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/3 ; PWD=/home/xenius ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/rm -rf / [05:40] wtf? o_O [05:41] haha [05:41] I discovered it accidentally [05:41] Camarade_Tux: no, they just changed the soname from libpng.so to libpng14.so [05:41] "just" [05:42] Necrosporus, you should get a mail about that no? [05:42] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-139-214.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:42] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-28-58.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:42] dive, no male [05:42] brainvision (~brainvisi@host133-58-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [05:42] But what is it? [05:43] strange, it's in the queue [05:43] What do you mean what is it? [05:43] xenius is a user of yours? [05:43] dive, I discovered a file with strange content [05:43] yep [05:43] well he tried to run 'sudo rm -rf /' [05:43] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-138-211.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:44] john_dee (~id@93-81-68-16.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:44] so chastise him [05:44] Hm. may be I tried [05:44] is it you? xenius? [05:44] yes [05:44] May be it's mine [05:44] I'll try again [05:44] well it was either you are someone hacked into your account [05:45] dive: or he typed it himself ;) [05:45] to see what it does...;) [05:45] $ sudo rm -rf / [05:45] Password: [05:45] Xenius is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. [05:45] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [05:45] yeah but don't paste that in here [05:45] pprkut: I fail to see how big a problem that is but I'll stop for now until I'm actually with libpng1.4 on my system [05:45] unless it's between quotes [05:46] # cat /var/spool/clientmqueue/dfo22AkjtT020580 [05:46] darkstar : Mar 2 18:46:45 : Xenius : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/2 ; PWD=/home/xenius/bin/icecat ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/rm -rf / [05:46] Necrosporus, log in as root and check your mail with mutt [05:46] Really, so it was probably my command [05:47] 0B0;>3 /root/Mail =5 ACI5AB2C5B. !>740BL? ([40]/=5B): [05:47] /root/Mail does not exist. Create it? ([yes]/no): [05:47] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:47] i new it he typed that ;) [05:47] Action: The-Croupier watches amazed :) [05:48] ... [05:48] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [05:48] It's because I really not in sudoers file [05:48] good thing [05:49] or you would have just trashed your system [05:49] Probably, no [05:49] Even if I run rm -rf / from root it would not work [05:50] errr, what's going on? I wasn't paying attention but WTF? [05:50] im so tempted to try ;) [05:50] I'm not saying a word [05:50] I'm so _not_ tempted to try just yet :) [05:50] Camarade_Tux: pay attention man.... pay attention [05:51] The-Croupier: not sure I'll be able to look at my screen anymore, this is ... [05:51] It would be tempting to just say try it then, but that would against channel policy [05:51] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-28-58.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [05:51] It is probably safe for slackware 12.1 and newer [05:51] lol [05:51] i would never tell him to try that... especially after dive telling hime to boot as root and check his mail ;) [05:52] it would make dive look bad ;) but then again..... [05:52] Necrosporus: NO, IT IS NOT SAFE, THAT WILL BORK YOUR SYSTEM [05:52] is that point clear? [05:52] Camarade_Tux: nope, i cannot read capitals ;) [05:53] and please dont shout... my eyes are hurting [05:53] # rm -rf / [05:53] The-Croupier: actually, I can't read them either but I can type them ;-) [05:53] rm: cannot remove root directory `/' [05:53] Camarade_Tux, :P [05:53] Action: Camarade_Tux facepalms [05:53] man i am at work... they will fire me for rofl-ing [05:53] damn...and im good at my work [05:53] add a joker and it'll be happy [05:54] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-138-211.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:54] The-Croupier, don't try on non-linux systems [05:54] it wouldnt be safe to try that on non linux systems ;) [05:54] And don't try on system with busybox [05:55] thats why linux is safe ;) some nix* like commands dont warn you on other non-linux systems ;) [05:56] i.e rm -rf / [05:56] GNU coreutils starting from some version include rm -rf / protection [05:56] rm -rf / works on Fedora Core 6, I tried [05:57] So it would probably work for RHEL 5 and older [05:57] Necrosporus: try "type somecommand" i think its safer [05:57] a little safer [05:58] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-195-213.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:59] $ type rm [05:59] rm is hashed (/usr/bin/rm) [06:00] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:00] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [06:00] google it then ;) [06:00] type, which, google your commands ;) before trying them anywhere ;) [06:01] i think its a little bit safer ;) [06:01] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:01] apart from getting a book first ;) [06:01] Necrosporus: ok, do you understand why it's protecting from this command? maybe because people have been telling newbies to try them [06:02] or maybe because it happens some people copy and paste from irc to a terminal by mistakle [06:02] that is why writing such commands here is against the channel rules [06:02] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:02] The-Croupier, dc -e '2EE688D4F78DBFd[!echo -n .;sleep 1]sx46C8B90DA9FA/[lxx1-d0 say that again... i cleared it by mistake ;) didnt get the chance to read [06:03] alienBOB: can you have a lookg at two messages before mine? [06:03] The-Croupier, dc -e '2EE688D4F78DBFd[!echo -n .;sleep 1]sx46C8B90DA9FA/[lxx1-d0 /lastlog rm -rf / [06:05] ^^ [06:06] Action: alisonken1noc watching cd iso rebuilds of -current, 64-current, 12.1 [06:07] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) joined ##slackware. [06:08] The-Croupier, have you tried my command? [06:08] Camarade_Tux: eh? [06:10] alienBOB: for the rm and obfuscated commands [06:10] Necrosporus: do not ask people to try obfuscated commands please/ [06:10] rm space dash rf slash was one of first linux commands I tried [06:10] Stupid [06:11] alienBlurb, even if it's safe? [06:11] "that gun isn't loaded, it's safe" [06:11] * alienBOB [06:11] If you continue spamming the channel wirth "rm -rf" commands I will kick you. You can tell stories about doing it, but do not list the commands [06:11] I stopped listing already [06:11] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:12] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [06:14] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:14] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:15] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) joined ##slackware. [06:15] But why I tried that command? Not because I was so dumb... [06:16] I checked mount output first to make sure it would not remove something useful [06:18] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-28-58.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:18] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: d ä_å b [06:19] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:19] Anyone successfully compiled klibc lately? [06:20] Necrosporus: what do you classify important? [06:20] What do you mean? [06:24] quit trolling [06:27] I understand that action as a learning experience. You can try it in a system you were going to re-install anyway and it is fun to watch how long your system will run before it finally breaks down [06:27] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [06:27] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [06:27] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [06:27] Other than that, I would not recommend anyone ever trying it [06:27] gbaker (~gbaker@ppp121-44-28-152.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [06:28] gymophett (~gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [06:29] got some security updates for 13.0 I see [06:32] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Saindo [06:32] and 12.1 [06:33] I was just watching my sync and iso build script output [06:33] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:33] You must have far too much free time :) [06:35] no - just stuck watching monitor scripts on a setup that's pretty quiet right now :) [06:35] alienBOB, yes, it was my case [06:36] Camarade_Tux: ya, me too [06:36] I found a bug in Slackware 12.1 [06:37] Try ls -l /usr/doc/adjtimex* to see if it still present [06:37] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:37] I'm not sure if it present in newer versions [06:40] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-28-58.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:41] Seems it's fixed [06:41] As I found a forum thread [06:42] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-195-213.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:43] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-104-43.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:45] when open source is unstable it makes life more hard than use a commercial one ! [06:46] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-jtysifwoxfrcmfjf) joined ##slackware. [06:48] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [06:48] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [06:48] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl6-200-63.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:50] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-104-43.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:50] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [06:50] Why isn't Slackware more popular? [06:50] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-95.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:51] gymophett: why should it be? [06:51] kiss [06:51] pprkut: I guess it shouldnt. :D I [06:51] kiss for admin != kiss for end user [06:52] I am in such a good mood. Good morning everyone, or evening, or whatever. [06:53] yes.. [06:53] but i 'm in the night.now [06:53] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:54] good one - customer kept correcting our help support guy that it's a "corn job" not a "cron job" [06:54] I really want to try Slackware, should I dual boot with Arch? I've had trouble with my graphics card in it before. [06:54] :) [06:55] cd /;find bin boot dev etc lib lost+found media mnt opt root sbin srv usr \( -user yourname -o -user nobody -o -perm /o+w -o -group users -o -group wheel \) \( -type f -o -type d \) -ls [06:55] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [06:55] Necrosporus: ? [06:56] checking if your system permissions are sane [06:59] find bin boot dev etc lib lost+found media mnt opt root sbin srv usr \( -user Xenius -o -user wine -o -user nobody -o -perm /o+w -o -group users -o \( -group wheel -perm /g+w \) \) \( -type f -o -type d \) -ls [06:59] Would be better [06:59] Should be runned from root dir [07:00] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-95.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:00] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:01] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [07:01] sorry, replace Xenius and wine with names of usual users [07:02] who updated ?? [07:03] slack_fish, what? -current? [07:03] me [07:03] for one [07:03] yes current [07:04] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-200-63.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:04] Have you had a problem with upgrading? [07:05] sorry i don't upgrading...i want hear other if have problem.haha [07:05] goarilla (~goarilla@208.88-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [07:05] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-138-11.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:05] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-194-157.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:05] Well there can be a problem with libgmp and libpng. You need to install gmp manually. Libpng needs to be downgraded to 1.4.0 [07:06] nvision (~nvision@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:06] And there is also some things need to change in lilo and fstab for libata [07:06] thanks..why changlog file not notice ?? [07:07] i offten upgraded use current [07:07] Well the libata change has been known about for a while, and the others we have just found out today. [07:08] But those things are usually in changes_and_hints.txt or upgrade.txt [07:09] slack_fish: if you want to run -current, you shouldn't have to ask about such things [07:12] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [07:12] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:14] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) joined ##slackware. [07:15] john_dee (~id@93-81-68-16.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [07:17] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [07:18] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [07:18] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] nvision (~nvision@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:19] hmm UPGRADE.TXT method of moving from previous -current to present -current resulted in broken pngs everywhere. [07:19] Action: Delahunt is now trying a clean install [07:19] known issue [07:22] Delahunt: known :-) [07:22] Delahunt: clean install won't change anything [07:22] Delahunt, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/ [07:23] rwerken (rob@131.211.62.230) left ##slackware. [07:24] Delahunt, especially the libpng part of course. [07:24] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434084.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:24] oh, not the gmp one? :P [07:24] great [07:25] well the gmp one if you are upgrading :P [07:25] gymophett (gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [07:26] Reaver2 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:28] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.128.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:28] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [07:29] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Client Quit [07:30] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [07:33] Linux administration is so hard !! I want to become a developer as I was [07:34] many open source programs are unstable ! [07:34] o.O [07:35] aha [07:35] when you face problems you don't know if it comes from you or from the program who is simply buggy ! [07:35] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:36] Always assume it was you F15ch3r [07:36] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:36] After that, it can only get better [07:36] dang intel framebuffer module [07:36] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl11-2-10.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:37] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:37] I turned around a problem since many days.. now the software maintainer has told me you are right !! the version you are using is buggy ! [07:38] rwerken (~rob@131.211.235.112) joined ##slackware. [07:38] ? [07:38] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-194-157.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:38] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [07:39] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] alienBOB, I am simply using the config that I have found in official documentation.. so what can I do more ??? it must works as they said !! [07:39] which software? [07:40] THE F* OPENSWAN [07:40] this one gonna change my mind ! [07:42] config found in official documentation is very often just an example. You have to adjust it to your environment [07:42] pprkut, I am not that idiot !! I know what must be changed !! ip address port.. [07:43] BUT IT DOES'NT WORK :s [07:43] F15ch3r: i think you've hit your quota on '!' and caps [07:43] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:44] ananke, I think I gonna lose my job with such idiot programs [07:44] unlikely [07:44] or simply to be converted to commercial software with good support [07:44] F15ch3r: there are plenty of other people who'd be happy to take your place [07:45] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) joined ##slackware. [07:45] certainly. if you want to use commercial software, go ahead. in the meantime, complaining about openswan in ##slackware is pointless [07:46] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:47] ananke, you are just trolling ! I will not consider your views.. because the problem that I am talking is higher to be understood by some chicken head like ... [07:48] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:48] right on kiddo [07:49] is there a problem guys? [07:49] hmm - channel ##slackware, problem openswan .... trolling .... ? [07:50] or venting here so not getting kicked at #openswan ? [07:51] #openswan is a sleepy channel ! no one can answer you [07:51] So? [07:51] so I am sharing my point of view [07:51] Watch your language F15ch3r - [07:52] The people here don't like it when someone storms in, complaining, shouting and insulting people [07:52] especially about offtopic stuff [07:52] F15ch3r, a piece of advice, if you want help with a problem, you dont insult those trying to help you [07:52] alienBOB, people choose the bad moment to kidding.. this is why sometimes we lost control.. and I have insulted nobody ! [07:53] BobMarley (~BobMarley@200.75.4.10) joined ##slackware. [07:53] I AM INSULTING NO BODY [07:53] Nick change: BobMarley -> Inkubot [07:53] OpenSWAN is a mature piece of software, and very stable, many people use it, if it does not work for you then perhaps you are doing something wrong ? [07:53] your remark to ananke would be construed as insulting [07:53] Inkubot (BobMarley@200.75.4.10) left ##slackware. [07:53] This: "problem that I am talking is higher to be understood by some chicken head like .." [07:54] in any case pasting openswan sample config file will not help you [07:54] You picked the wrong channel to help you with your professional issue. OPenSWAN is not even part of SLackware [07:54] you need to understand what the hell you are doing [07:55] alienBOB, I Know that.. I am simply taking it as an example.. of open source software ! and how it can hearts sometimes ! [07:55] F15ch3r: if you have problems with openswan, this channel is not a venue for addressing it. do you have any particular problems with your slackware that you need help with? [07:56] nachox I have read and use the entire official book of openswan.. so the problem is not the sample conf [07:56] alienBOB, is there an easy fix to the libpng fiasco on -current? [07:56] F15ch3r, the problem is moot here since openSWAN is not even part of slackware. this is ##slackware support, not general support [07:57] Delahunt, did you read my link? [07:57] downgrade to 1.4.0 [07:57] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7EB4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:57] alisonken1noc, I repeat openswan is just an example of what I am meaning ! sorry to not be clear in my explanations [07:58] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7EB4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:58] bitching about opensource here is quite close to a troll [07:58] F15ch3r, and again, in order for help here, it has to be a slackware problem. anything else would be at the convenience if someone else knows about it and is willing to help [07:58] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:58] your shouting and insulting is not helping your case [07:58] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:59] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:59] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:59] at the least, you will get put on helpful peoples /ignore list and at worst can get you kicked/banned from the channel [08:00] hey lets focus on getting F15ch3r the counseling services that he needs [08:00] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7EB4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] shock therapy [08:00] dive, you posted a link? hold on [08:01] you can't help me.. only the software developer can do.. because the problem is a big and known bug in a part of the software ! so I have'nt ask someone to help me ! [08:01] Delahunt, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/ [08:02] F15ch3r, helpful suggestion: notice the channel you're in and what you're saying, then. you wouldn't like someone coming into your house shouting and insulting about something that's not your problem [08:03] just because slackware uses open source software doesn't mean slackware is the open source custodian [08:03] dive, thanks [08:03] ohh.. it's enough dude !! you don't understand what I am saying.. let's forget it ! [08:04] great idea [08:04] Delahunt, I've just edited it a bit, you want to refresh that page. [08:04] actually, I do understand what you're saying, but as you said - dropping it here [08:04] k [08:04] a better place would have been ##slackware-offtopic for ranting [08:05] alisonken1noc, 100 % right ! [08:05] win 5 [08:05] dive, run the .SlackBuild or the .SlackBuild.1 ? [08:05] strike 1 [08:05] alisonken1noc: actually, no =) [08:06] Camarade_Tux, actually, yes :) better retorts there [08:06] Delahunt, I'm guessing you used wget and there was already a SlackBuild in there? [08:06] i wget * [08:06] yes [08:06] alisonken1noc: /dev/null's the best place ;-) [08:07] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:07] !bomb .... [08:07] well I would start off in a clean folder and wget it again [08:07] alisonken1noc, tell me what do you prefer insulting directly or indirectly like Camarade_Tux and GooseYArd did ? [08:07] nevermind i see the instructions [08:08] a hell big of update yesterday :D [08:08] F15ch3r, I prefer neither. I prefer first to see how people like to chat and when/where is good time to chat [08:08] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:08] at least I am not an hypocrite [08:08] ew -O3 [08:08] after getting a better handle on their chat style, then I can insult as appropriate [08:08] F15ch3r, if everyone is human, everyone is eventually a hypocrite at some point. it is inevitable. [08:08] F15ch3r: that may not be direct but that's definitely clear and excuse me for trying to "cook" something to eat and being busy [08:08] mornin' :) [08:09] yo [08:09] Camarade_Tux, I know that Arabians like you and me hates each other so I will not consider you again ;) [08:10] huh [08:10] F15ch3r: "the problem is a big and known bug in a part of the software" - where is this bug documented and discussed? [08:10] it's not the first time we talk this way :) [08:11] alienBOB, OK ! [08:11] look at the support of L2TP in openswan version 2.4 [08:12] dive, as for gmp and a fresh install (i'm asking to make sure i don't break something) i should download the gmp pack in the top of that link and upgradepkg right? [08:12] arabian nights on mescaline [08:12] No, I am not looking. I asked, where is the bug reported you are talking about and what's its status? [08:13] Delahunt, do them in the order in the top, but I have *not* tested that - it was suggested by someone and I included it there [08:13] ok [08:13] hmm, is there realy no vlc slackbuild available? [08:13] no i'm already running -current [08:13] but ok i'll upgradepkg it [08:13] Delahunt, fresh install from -current iso? [08:13] many mailing list unanswered about this subject until I have reach the openswan developer who told me that many bugs in 2.4 indeed especially the l2tp was fixed in 2.6 version ! [08:13] fresh install from local cache of -current but same thing basically [08:13] i'm downloading slackware current from slackware.at, but i can't seem to find the updated usbboot.img on the mirror (and neither on ftp.slackware.com) has it been forgotten? [08:14] worst case scenario i install slackware 13 for a few days [08:14] Delahunt, right then you do need follow the correct order - so after glib stuff. [08:14] Delahunt, if it doesn't install properly do what I suggested underneath - about untarring in / and running doinst.sh [08:15] alienBOB, the problem that I have is not about slackware of course !! I am even sure that Slackware can be the best solution.. because neither of other distro except redhat world.. support the newest version 2.6 as I knew ! [08:15] rwerken: ? I just looked on my mirror and it's still there under usb-and-pxe-installers/ [08:15] it is there, but it doesn't seem to be updated [08:15] rwerken: unless you're saying the updated usbboot.img dtd 2010-02-28 isn't the updated one [08:16] ah ok dive thanks i was wondering why those instructions existed (thought it could be for a broken upgradepkg) [08:16] ah my mistake, sorry [08:16] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:16] Delahunt, without gmp then installpkg/upgradepkg simply fail. [08:17] dive still no worky [08:17] oh ok nevermind hold on [08:17] I didn't run into the gmp thing updating last night, and did upgradepkg */*.txz without any special treatment [08:17] nope, no fixy [08:18] then you need method two [08:18] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:18] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:19] well gmp is still broke [08:20] i fixed libpng (compiled) [08:20] tried all the gmp fixes but none works it seems [08:20] what error are you getting about libgmp? [08:20] the same one as listed but nothing fixes it [08:21] g_module_open() failed for /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib/libpng14.so.14: undefined symbol: inflateReset [08:21] that's libpng [08:21] that's not gmp [08:21] that's after compiling (successfully) the new libpng [08:21] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:21] (and installing) [08:21] which version does /var/log/packages/ suggest you have? [08:21] stand by (i was rebooting the machine) [08:22] 1.4.0 [08:22] yes, you need to reboot [08:22] well that's what I'm usng and it's fine [08:22] i removepkg'd ibpng before installing 1.4.0 [08:22] or re-run all of the gtk generation stuff [08:22] and I didn't reboot [08:22] nope, on reboot it still has that error [08:22] dive, did you generate the stuff by hand? [08:22] thrice`, yes [08:22] 08:22 thrice`| or re-run all of the gtk generation stuff [08:23] :) [08:23] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.125.126) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:23] zux1wrk: alienBOB makes vlc packages. there probably isn't a slackbuild on SBo because of there being so many dependecies to get support for all of the media types [08:23] thrice`, I did this update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders which is the only command I had a problem with [08:24] Delahunt, did you download the patch too? [08:24] zaltekk, so, you think that it would be much easier to just download the package, yes? [08:24] ah no patch [08:24] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [08:25] uh oh - nachox +co [08:25] zux1wrk: yes, it is much easier to just use his package. he keeps it up-to-date, and it saves you a lot of dependency building. [08:25] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!imarambio@200.68.83.121: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26, 2009 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: gzip, openssl, seamonkey [08:25] that's strange I could have sworn there was a patch in there [08:25] dive, ah that's where i messed up. but i didn't see a link to the patch [08:25] ##slackware: mode change '-o nachox' by nachox!~imarambio@200.68.83.121 [08:25] hmm, thanks for the reminder. i saw the email on my blackberry last night but i was half asleep and forgot :o [08:26] alisonken1noc, i needed to update the topic [08:26] :) [08:26] I noticed [08:26] Delahunt, let me have a look [08:26] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:26] k [08:28] Delahunt, a reboot didn't fix it? [08:28] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:29] nope [08:29] (and i need to figure out how to disable the new intel framebuffer, it's annoying lol) [08:30] gar0t0 (69@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Delahunt, ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/l/libpng/ grab the slackbuild and patch here and try please [08:31] Delahunt, it's required, actually [08:32] roger that's what i did [08:32] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-60-255.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:32] Delahunt, that is a different sb [08:32] Delahunt, which version do you actually have installed? [08:32] 1.4.0 [08:32] it needs patching for libz iirc [08:32] dive, ok [08:32] Delahunt: I just downgraded libpng to the 1.4.0 package I linked to earlier,rebooted (required!!!) and now all my png bitmaps show up [08:33] k [08:33] Delahunt, you 64current or 32? [08:33] nvision (~nvision@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:33] 32 [08:33] can anyone confirm that exo in NOT built with libnotify support? [08:33] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:33] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/xfce-on-latest-current-no-libnotify-support-792580/ [08:34] how is cups related to lvm2? [08:36] compiling [08:36] john_dee (~id@93-81-68-16.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:37] installed [08:37] rebooting [08:37] Delahunt, run update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders [08:37] and try xfce [08:37] it runs at startup right? [08:37] in fact that command will just run with no error if all is ok [08:38] yeah but test it now before rebooting ;) [08:38] faster [08:38] too late lol [08:38] i appreciate all the help btw [08:38] np [08:38] success [08:38] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.92.21) joined ##slackware. [08:39] I've updated the link on that thread to point to slack-13.0/l/libpng it was -current before which was wrong [08:39] dive have you tried exo above^? [08:39] but I'm wondering now if it's just patch that was needed.. [08:39] sahk0, no [08:40] it could be tested if a usb flash is plugged etc [08:40] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:40] it just seems too weird [08:41] sahk0, I will give it a shot later - have to go meet a client [08:41] dive, are you sure it should be 13? that won't build the libpng12 stuff [08:41] laters [08:41] dive, nope, xfce won't display icons. deleting user's stale config [08:42] thrice`, I will need to have another look later - must dash for now [08:42] Delahunt, i had something like that [08:42] unless you want to test it [08:42] dive: ok, good luck [08:43] nope still broke [08:43] Delahunt, update-mime-database? [08:44] didn't try that yet, hold on [08:45] Action: Delahunt has no clue how to use that command [08:46] Delahunt, "grep update /etc/rc.d/rc.*" whill show you how rc.M does it :) [08:46] Delahunt, so your xfce icons went missing after an upgrade to current? [08:46] yeah did that, ran it, still broken icons [08:46] yep [08:46] i think i had to delete ~/.local/share/mime [08:47] i already deleted that whole DIR [08:47] Delahunt, before you keep updating stuff, try a new user [08:47] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:47] You all are aware that some packages were _added_ not just upgraded? [08:47] yes [08:47] Action: Delahunt did a clean install [08:48] Delahunt, same thing here, i did a clean install and copied home to the new install [08:48] shyko_ (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [08:48] now i can't realy remember how i fixed the problem.. [08:48] i'm going to try a --reinstall --install-new however because it looks like my slackware-current may have been stale (for some reason rsync is pulling down yet more things now) [08:48] hey what's up with rsync? is it just me or is --delete not being honored? [08:48] heh [08:48] Delahunt, better try a clean new user first [08:49] i will [08:49] i bet it's only that users problem [08:50] this is what we get for slackware devs being kde users :> [08:50] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:50] is libpng a problem only in xfce? [08:50] i thought it was global [08:50] anything that uses gtk buttons and such [08:51] great, one less thing to do before i upgrade:) [08:51] from the sound of things i might be better off with my older -current system on my laptop [08:52] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:52] at least for a few more days [08:52] shyko_ (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Client Quit [08:52] zaltekk: will do too. havent even rsynced yet [08:52] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:52] i started to copy some 10 gb of files on my hdd but the dialog that shows copy progress disappeared. how can i see it's progress? [08:52] hmm, so you say there are problems with today's updates? [08:53] i have not installed them yet, so is there something i should be aware of? [08:53] Azeotrope, KDE? [08:53] zux1wrk: have you been reading ##slackware ? [08:53] zux1wrk, yes, icons are broken for gtk related packages [08:53] sahk0, only now [08:53] LQ has some threads about them too [08:53] zux1wrk: yes [08:53] such as xfce, firefox, pidgin [08:53] Delahunt: check --delete-excluded [08:54] Azeotrope, i think it hides it somewhere in the notification bar or somewhere else [08:54] zux1wrk: i don't have it there, i looked [08:54] well then i don't know [08:55] thrice`, are you sure that the icons are broken after this update? [08:55] yes [08:55] ok, then i'v been telling Delahunt wrong stuff... [08:56] one needs to downgrade the libpng package [08:56] so, on xfce i won't see any icons, and there is no good solution for now? [08:56] downgrade libpng? [08:56] alisonken1noc: yes [08:56] thrice`, or better, not upgrade that package [08:57] zux1wrk, that will mean alot more is broken of course [08:57] thrice`, so the right choice would be upgrade libpng and then downgrade? [08:58] will you please read ANY of the stuff that has been said at least 3-4 times now? [08:58] Action: chipster went back to 1.2.37 just to get GSB to build properly. that was after I upgraded libpng :/ [08:58] or the LQ post that was given to you? [08:58] /lastlog libpng :) [08:58] rwerken (rob@131.211.235.112) left ##slackware. [09:00] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:04] ananke, rog [09:04] thanks [09:05] im going to try this again [09:05] i may have gotten a partial rsynnc [09:07] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:07] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:07] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:10] hrmfs stupid me got an ipod touch, now I can have hours of fun trying to make their crap work with slackware :P [09:12] you ought to be able to simply copy mp3s to it [09:12] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [09:12] rachael: s/slackware/linux/ [09:12] rachael: you'll run into the same problem under any distro. [09:12] gtkpod? [09:12] thumbs: I know [09:14] rachael: gtkpod worked great for my daughters ipod shuffle [09:14] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-187-228.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] even successfully imported her current stuff from the ipod [09:15] mag0o: prob is the later version seems to use a different db format than the earlier ones did [09:16] this is a new shuffle [09:16] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:16] can't you just copy the MP3s to the device? [09:16] worth a shot [09:17] Nope, it doesnt work like a massstorage [09:17] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) left irc: Quit: ‚» [09:17] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) joined ##slackware. [09:17] rachael: http://gtkpod.wikispaces.com/Supported+iPods [09:19] mag0o: yes it works fine for the shuffle I have but for this touch generation 2 with 3.1.2 firmware it doesnt [09:19] gotcha [09:19] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:22] oh well, I could just wait till slackware arm run on it :) [09:24] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-151.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:26] rachael: quite honestly, itunes is the easiest way to manage transfer of your data [and keeping it up to date] [09:27] IIRC, amarok should work fine for this [09:28] alot of us don't have itunes access ;) [09:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:29] well if I was to use amarok then I would have to install all the kde things I have no use for [09:29] windows in vmware/virtualbox/etc [09:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:29] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] gtkpod is probably your best bet [09:30] ananke, I guess; sounds silly, though [09:30] ananke: i'd disagree. i fought my with gf's itunes and shuffle last night for an hours trying to import new mp3 into her library [09:30] why does it sound silly? it supports all of the features of that device [09:31] jabuti (~work@201.12.147.168) joined ##slackware. [09:31] hackedhead: did that mp3 have drm? [09:31] ananke: nope. [09:31] it plays in VLC fine, it plays on ym other system fine. it's seemingly normal in every way [09:32] but itunes doesn't like it. [09:32] ananke, setting up an entire emulation layer, installing a completely new OS, setting up sharing between them, just to sync an mp3 player doesn't sound retarded? [09:32] thrice`: heh. [09:32] hackedhead: that anecdote doesn't change the fact that itunes overall is the best way of managing content on your ipod [09:32] ananke: i'm not sure. [09:32] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [09:32] think of it as geek occupation [09:33] ananke: yesterday she tried to update the songs on her ipod to go to the gym [09:33] thrice`: i didn't say it was the most optimum way. it is the most featureful way. [09:33] any old mirror that still hasn't got the recent updates? [09:33] she wound up with the opposite subset of songs than what she wanted [09:33] so... [09:33] jabuti (work@201.12.147.168) left ##slackware. [09:33] i need to get a kdei package for 4.3.4 [09:33] jabuti (~work@201.12.147.168) joined ##slackware. [09:34] slava_dp: some mirrors have only partially synced. https [09:34] well, maybe i'm making the wrong case. it might be the best way. it's apparently a terrible one. [09:34] http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware did so earlier i checked [09:35] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:35] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:35] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:35] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:36] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:36] do I need an initrd to boot from lvm? [09:36] yes [09:36] slava_dp: yes [09:37] k, thanks [09:37] slava_dp: and you have to have /boot outside of it [09:37] Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the script used to make the PACKAGES.TXT and CHECKSUM.MD5 files for the Slack repositories? [09:37] hackedhead: unfortunately, while it may be buggy, it's still safer and more featureful than alernatives. especially when it comes to other content: multimedia, firmware updates, etc [09:37] i heard something that the new grub is supposed to be able to boot from lvm [09:39] hackedhead, the best solution is to buy a generic mp3 player that doesn't require vendor software for such retarded things like adding a song [09:39] found a kdei 4.3.4 on slackware.no. great. [09:40] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:40] hackedhead: I've heard good things about cowon players [09:41] wolven: we had to build our own for GSB - feel free to steal :-) [09:42] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:43] you'll want function make_packages_txt() and function make_checksums_md5() - and maybe others from there. [09:45] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:46] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:47] chipster: is there any way to use gsb without gslapt/slapt-get ? [09:47] just wondering... i feel gnomesick lately [09:49] ananke: yeah. [09:49] sahk0: that's really a question for #gsb , but yeah, you can _install_ gsb manually without slapt-get, etc. [09:49] gsb has no dependency on slapt-get [09:50] thrice`, NaCl: yep. I have a cowon now that is just about worn out that i love. I'm probably going to buy the iaudio9 soon. [09:50] since I'm here and all :) [09:50] ok thanks [09:50] sahk0: certainly :) [09:50] sahk0: it's easiest to mirror the stable branch and install all the packages form your local repo, assuming you have the room. [09:51] AtuM (~damjan@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] i will visit #gsb if i feel the need [09:51] hello... I'm trying to build iscsi name service server - isns .. has anyone cracked this one yet? [09:51] the other option, you can checkout the build system, and let that build and install all the packages for you. [09:51] sahk0: righty [09:52] if I have 4 gigs of RAM and plan to suspend and maybe have more ram in future, what size should I make my swap partition? [09:52] delt0r (~delt0r@i122mc95.vu-wien.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [09:53] if you need to suspend a bit more than your ram. otherwise having swap is probably a waste of space [09:53] slava_dp, RAM + a little bit [09:53] so probably 6 gigs of swap will be enough? [09:53] probably way more than enough but ok [09:53] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [09:53] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.155.190.139) joined ##slackware. [09:53] hibernate requires enough swap to put all of RAM into swap (plus whatever is already IN swap) [09:54] ok, I'll save two gigs and make it 4. [09:54] i have mine at 2.2gb in a 2gb laptop [09:56] Distcc (~sd@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [09:56] hi [09:57] a) is useful the slackware's suspension? b) is useful the slackware's hibernation? [09:57] i just upgrade -current but i can`t start X now | Intel G31/33 Adapter. also X -configure or zorgsetup will give me only black screen and freeze .i need remotely to reboot my box [09:58] any idea? [09:58] MoMo (~Mo@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:58] Distcc: yes. You didn't remove the packages that were removed in the update. [09:59] rworkman so now i need to removepkg old one ? [09:59] Of course you do. [09:59] rworkman :) thx man [09:59] Action: NaCl didn't notice that [09:59] Action: NaCl cleans house [10:00] morning rworkman :) [10:00] If a package is removed from the tree in the ChangeLog, then you need to remove it from your system. [10:00] pprkut: g'morn [10:00] Action: Delahunt downgrades to 13.0 [10:00] lol [10:00] those little proxy packages will make x not start? [10:00] Good call. [10:00] libpngopocolypse [10:00] thrice`: those won't matter, but some of the driver packages will. [10:00] rworkman: hi, what's going on with libpng exactly? I haven't really had the time to update or check but should do so soon [10:00] Camarade_Tux: it's a piece of shit. [10:01] In so many words [10:01] I understood you were quite upset about it, but what happened? [10:01] rworkman, ah, I would have guessed "I use a custom kernel without KMS" :> [10:01] symlinks are messed up. :P [10:01] thrice`: that's a good possibility too. [10:01] Camarade_Tux: I'm eager to take a look, but am stuck at University for another few hours :/ [10:01] Distcc (~sd@82.114.88.11) left irc: [10:01] Good catch [10:01] rworkman: any idea if this is true? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/xfce-on-latest-current-no-libnotify-support-792580/ ? [10:01] Camarade_Tux: here's a summary. [10:01] pprkut: still coding here :-) [10:01] it should be your field [10:01] sahk0: just a sec [10:02] hah, tough shit. Waking up in the morning and getting bombed at with bugreports :D [10:02] libpng has traditionally installed two libraries: libpng.so.blah and libpng##.so.blah [10:02] e.g. libpng.so.3 and libpng10.so.3 [10:03] not symlnks? [10:03] what's the date for slackware 14.0 ? [10:03] Not exaclty correct is my previous statment; Then it has installed a symlink at libpng.so to libpng10.so [10:03] April 1st [10:03] 05/14/2010 [10:03] eldragon: between 15 and 13 [10:04] The point is: apps can do -L$(libdir) -lpng OR -L$(libdir) -lpng10 to link the library [10:04] thrice`: lies! It's 04/01/2010 [10:04] pprkut: last night in a nutshell. :P [10:04] damn, sahk0 beat me to it :( [10:04] haha [10:04] :) [10:04] pprkut: that's was two months ago /o\ [10:04] Then let's upgrade libpng to 1.2. Looks what changes: libpng.so.3 is now a link to libpng12.so.whatever. [10:05] Camarade_Tux: winter sleep. That's all I say about it... [10:05] what filesystem should I pick for my non-ups-protected 90 gig /home and 300 gig /storage ? [10:05] i'm trying to build a double gcc compiler, gcc -m32 and gcc -m64 for generating two executables, elf32 and elf64, any idea of how to do it? [10:05] Long story short, if the libpng folks are going to rename the fucking library with the version number in it, then there should NOT be an unversioned ("libpng.so") symlink pointing to it. [10:05] i'm guessing ext4 for /home and xfs for /storage, but I fear xfs power outages. [10:06] rworkman: I don't really understand why we can't change the symlink in slackware [10:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:06] eldragon: alienBOB has already done that [10:06] thanks NaCl [10:07] jabuti (~work@201.12.147.168) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228] [10:07] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [10:08] what about the FHS (File Hierarchy System) for 32-bit and 64-bit libraries and executables in the same machine? [10:08] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@188.4.40.139.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:08] sahk0: replied on LQ [10:08] thanks [10:08] eldragon: might want to read up on that [10:09] assuming 64-bit kernel mode by default. [10:09] Camarade_Tux: at the moment, it's not clear how the morons that develop libpng are going to go forward. [10:10] i'd only like to now when could i update to todays current and not get theses problems? [10:10] When they're fixed. [10:10] Or suffer through them. [10:10] the libpng guys, right? [10:10] I doubt you can fix them [10:10] The known problems have solutions. AFAICT. [10:10] As I said last night: everyone was whining about the lack of updates just a couple of days ago. You've got updates now, bitches - go play. [10:10] rworkman: ok, I see, thanks [10:11] rworkman: HAHAHA :P [10:11] :) [10:11] I was expecting them to be slightly more gradual. :P [10:11] lol [10:11] i wasn't whining and i'll just wait for a little bit longer... [10:11] Good idea. [10:11] sberthelot (~sberthelo@2002:52ea:963c:1::11) joined ##slackware. [10:11] rworkman: got my ping about nouveau? [10:12] I almost wish the -current tree did this *every* update. Sooner or later, the only people who'd play are the ones who can fix stuff on their own :) [10:12] fully agreed :) [10:12] NaCl: yes, and that sucks :/ [10:12] damn the latest -current upgrade breaks xchat (no executable !) [10:12] oh? [10:12] works for me [10:12] xchat-2.8.6-i486-4 [10:13] sberthelot, "uname -m" ? [10:13] NaCl: what's up with nouveau? [10:13] pprkut: it's a fast-moving target. [10:13] thrice`: i686 [10:13] NaCl: what's the thing about nouveau? [10:13] sberthelot: xchat is fine [10:13] for 64-bit, all 32-bit programs should be PAE enabled. [10:13] pprkut: so, there is a "stable" kernel driver, but the X driver is too new [10:13] NaCl: ah, that thing :) [10:14] libdrm incompatability for 2.4.18 i'd guess [10:14] thrice`: correct [10:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:14] rworkman: I tried compiling an older version but the drm was too new [10:14] NaCl: well, in their defense, they didn't pugh for getting included in the kernel. They were pulled ;) [10:14] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.205) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Understood. [10:14] However, I did get a kms'd console (which was shiny) [10:14] Bad Linus [10:14] Right, but what was the point if userspace is worthless with it? [10:15] f0d384d3c713ff7110b9df0faac193a7e7cbef7a xchat-2.8.6-i486-4.txz [10:15] yeah, the kms console is terrific ;-) [10:15] But I had to ditch it to get the nvidia drivers working [10:15] pprkut: bad nouveau actually [10:15] no /usr/bin in it [10:15] it can work, I think you just need an almost-2.4.18 pull. [10:15] (tar tvf xchat-2.8.6-i486-4.txz) [10:15] ok, I knew I would have to run kernel 2.6.34 [10:15] thrice`: sounds accurate. [10:15] sberthelot: oh wow. Well, it's fine on x86_64 :) [10:16] rworkman: is there any "official" way to report this ? ;) [10:16] hi all. i've updated to -current. i have xfce 4.6.1. now all tango and gnome icons can't be found. any solution? [10:16] sberthelot: it's already done. :) [10:16] I was about to say that. :P [10:16] OclkdMan: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-and-libpng-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/#post3881937 [10:16] whoops [10:16] NaCl: would it work in combination with nvidia-drivers installed from SlackBuilds(with nvidia-switch)? Being curious :) [10:16] pprkut: have you upgraded to current too? [10:16] rworkman: thanks [10:17] pprkut: you can't load the nvidia module while KMS is active [10:17] btw upgrading using slackpkg breaks upgrade about libgmp [10:17] sahk0: don't tease me. I'm sitting on nails here :D [10:17] sberthelot: read that link I gave to OclkdMan [10:17] it should be upgraded before all other upgrades (like glibc-solibs) [10:17] sberthelot: known bug; will require a slackpkg update [10:17] ok thanks [10:17] pprkut: :P was wondering about http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/nvidia-and-kernel-2.6.33-792515/ actually [10:17] sahk0: install a beta [10:17] NaCl: thanks! [10:17] ah was about to speak about nvidia kernel :) [10:17] sahk0: nope, haven't tried yet [10:18] seems the problem is already known [10:18] NaCl: ther's no beta currently :P [10:18] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.150.190) joined ##slackware. [10:18] pprkut: yes, there is [10:18] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.205) left irc: Client Quit [10:18] I am using it right now [10:18] NaCl: ok, but stable is newer :P [10:18] NaCl: yeah thats what i thought too but people have reported many bugs with it. checked the Arch bugtracker in the morning [10:18] sahk0: it works fine for me. [10:18] pprkut: that's because nvidia is lazy [10:19] pprkut: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/195.36.08/ [10:19] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:19] NaCl: yes, that's latest stable [10:19] sortremord (martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [10:19] what? [10:20] you're missing out on news :P [10:20] was declared stable two days ago, I think [10:20] Then nvidia is lazy [10:20] ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/latest.txt [10:20] is this only about PREEMPT options ? [10:21] NaCl: I'm only trusting nvnews ;) [10:22] arg, screw it. I'm going home messing with -current [10:22] bbl [10:22] haha [10:22] glhf. :P [10:22] pprkut: you need to blacklist nouveau if you don't want to use it. [10:23] Kamel- (klo_436@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:23] van (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:24] hi [10:25] alienBOB, can i ask yousomething?why you remove libv4l from kde4.4 deps?this packages dont needed any more? [10:25] van, it is in slackware-current now [10:25] thx... :) [10:27] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:28] nvision2 (~hub@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:28] alienBOB: have you updated the 32-bit compat libs for the new stuff in -current? [10:28] Kamel- (klo_390@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:30] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:31] is there any CLI encryption tool I can use for encrypting files? [10:31] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [10:31] gpg [10:31] NaCl: the glibc/gcc - yes [10:32] currently, I try to execute a 32-bit file, bash says it's "not there", when it clearly is [10:32] The -compat32 libs - no. Because I do not have those in my repo... you have to generate them [10:32] yeah. [10:33] Did you upgrade all of -current? In that case you now have the 64bit-onlu glibc/gcc [10:33] Oh, yeah. [10:33] Right. [10:33] my bad. [10:33] I'll fiddle with that later, thanks. [10:33] NaCl: thanks. [10:33] shit!! problems on my current upgrade!! [10:34] Action: gar0t0 sending mail to PiterPunk [10:35] gar0t0, what problem? [10:35] expr: error while loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [10:35] gar0t0: tell him to release a newer slackpkg finally [10:35] gar0t0: known bug [10:35] hmm [10:36] NaCl: is it the 64-bit bash or the 32-bit bash and what version are you running? [10:36] See http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-and-libpng-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/ [10:37] gar0t0: Same problem here [10:37] alisonken1home: his problem is that he removed multilib packages while upgrading [10:37] heh [10:37] alienBOB: thank you!! :) [10:37] alienBOB: I need to read more the linuxquestions :D [10:37] Yes [10:38] got problems running kms with an intel gma45 .. blank console after drm is initialized... known problem to somebody? [10:39] libgmp.so.10 <-- 32-bit or 64-bit? [10:39] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl10-138-62.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:40] anybit [10:40] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-2-10.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:40] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [10:41] nvision2, take out all of your vga= stuff and try again [10:41] with the fresh install of current (iso made with the script from alienBob) the Xchat isnt opening [10:41] madnex, 32-bit is broken [10:42] thrice`: thanks [10:42] the 32-bit xchat package is missing the binary, I think [10:43] thrice`, already tried that, next step its to include intel_agp i915 into initrd [10:43] done!! no more problems with libgmp [10:43] nvision2, they are built INTO the kernel, you can't do that [10:43] hmm now even the initrd fails...yikes ... and I cant use X without KMS after to the upgrade today [10:44] nvision2, are you on the stock 2.6.33 kernel? [10:44] ... thrice`, nope [10:44] damn, what the heck. installed the previous -current (as before the last update), and it doesn't boot, says no /etc/fstab found 0_0 [10:44] nvision2, well, no shit? ;) [10:45] thrice`, guess it should give it a try .. ;) [10:45] it=I [10:46] maddslacker (~3f96a386@gateway/web/freenode/x-hrnrgyjxzqvwjzzw) joined ##slackware. [10:46] lunch time!! later [10:46] so, I just updated to /current and completely broke my system...has this happened to anybody else yet? [10:47] Try to describe that better maddslacker [10:47] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:47] yeap [10:47] maddslacker, just about everyone [10:47] ok [10:47] I updated, then tried to restart x, as that seemd to be the bulk of the updates [10:48] it hung on a black screen [10:48] so I had to power cycle it, as control alt F* did nothing [10:48] what runlevel were you in when you updated to -current? [10:48] after reboot, everything seemed to come up ok but I first noticed ther was no wicd icon [10:48] tried to start it manually and got an error missing libpng [10:48] You are experiencing the libpng bug [10:48] and then got that for every app that requries libpng [10:49] ^^ yup...lol [10:49] I'm slackware64, btw [10:49] if that makes a diff [10:49] Will be fixed soon... you can downgrade to libpng 1.4.0 which will fix this [10:49] ok, will do now [10:50] Try http://slackware.com/~alien/libpng-1.4.0-x86_64-1.txz [10:50] well, actually, I downloaded that from the site and it gave an error of missing libgmp when I tried to install it via installpkg [10:50] or is that the issue, actually...with the new onbe [10:50] -b [10:50] And http://slackware.com/~alien/libpng-1.4.0-x86_64-1.txz.asc is my (not Pat's) gpg signature [10:50] np [10:50] Did you upgrade libgmp ? [10:51] StonedSlacker (~mudd@69.171.167.228) joined ##slackware. [10:51] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:51] I ran slackpkg upgrade-all [10:51] alienBOB: "will be fixed soon", meaning you have something right now or expect a fix to appear soon? [10:51] delt0r (~delt0r@i122mc95.vu-wien.ac.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:51] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [10:51] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:51] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [10:51] Camarade_Tux: the nvidia thing? [10:52] I meant the libpng one [10:52] besides downgrading [10:53] alienBOB: [10:53] when I start xchat, my test case, I get a libC error [10:53] Camarade_Tux: I expect some fix will come soon [10:53] maddslacker: did you also run slackpkg install-new ? [10:54] yes, [10:54] was just typing that actually [10:54] ok, I was wondering if a fix had magically just appeared ;-) [10:54] to you, that I had run it first [10:54] Then "I get a libC error" is a tiny bit vague [10:54] hmmm [10:54] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:55] one sec, I ran upgrade-all again and it want's me to upgrade gmp and libpng...let me try that, and then I can downgrade again from a known point [10:55] oh wait, it's detecting broken packages [10:55] Action: maddslacker fixes [10:56] thank god for opera, I couldn't even launch firefox to get to webIRC (irc is blocked here at work and I couldn't figure out how to set my socks 5 proxy in irssi) [10:57] alienBOB: [10:57] have a whole boatload of new updates now, so I'm suspecint the previous upgrade didn;t finish, even though it said it did [10:57] ima run that and see what it looks like after [10:57] dardan (~chatzilla@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [10:59] rworkman: i tried to solv problem with my Intel vga but no success , with vesa driver is ok i can start screen [10:59] I have a quick question for you geniuses. I have one of those usb cricket broadband modems that has to be kick started each time the computer is powered up or after the computer sits idle for a while. To run the script I have to sudo it and I'd like to not have to. Here's what I think I need to do, I would appreciate it if you guys could just tell me if I'm right or wrong. Add myself, a regular user, to the group that owns the script. I already tr [10:59] ied out right chowning it and that did not work. [11:00] This is not my compouter and the owner will not like having to pull up a terminal and type sudo net,start [11:01] I have hotkeys assigned to the script but without the sudo it does nothing [11:01] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [11:02] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [11:02] win 14 [11:02] bleh [11:03] 14/2 :) [11:04] StonedSlacker, well, if you have to sudo to root in order to execute, that should give you an indication [11:04] s/execute/have it work properly/ [11:04] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [11:04] for me, win 7 is actually my only windows-related window (mingw-64) ;-) [11:05] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [11:05] NaCl: thanks, will take care of that [11:05] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:05] now, let the fun begin! :D [11:06] hah [11:06] alisonken1home: Right now I have ctl+alt+c set to run the script net.start, can I chjange that command soimehow to run it as root without asking for a password? [11:06] no - but you can add 'sudo ....' to the key bindings and then allows you to enter the root password for execution [11:07] Dang [11:07] It wouldnt bother me but this guy is gonna whine about it [11:09] I added sudo to the command and it still does nothing [11:11] dardan (~chatzilla@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.3/20100222152846] [11:11] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30BB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:12] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:13] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-60-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [11:15] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [11:16] thrice`, sames happens to me with the stock kernel :( [11:20] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[11:26] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:27] rworkman: cmaddocks@fchqcmlaptop:~$ firefox /usr/lib64/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libpng14.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [11:27] that's what I get now, and now slackpg is also saying my slackpkg.conf is outdated [11:27] Sorry, libpng has issues [11:27] NaCl: [11:27] Ok after much fscking around with libpng I seem to have found the magic bullet. I've updated my thread on LQ and uploaded a slackbuild: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-and-libpng-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/ [11:27] know but he wanted a specific error [11:28] I have yet try firefox though. [11:28] maddslacker (~3f96a386@gateway/web/freenode/x-hrnrgyjxzqvwjzzw) left irc: Quit: Page closed [11:29] dive: all images become that "missing image" image. [11:29] Almost all, anyway. [11:30] maddslacker (~3f96a386@gateway/web/freenode/x-ngssaitviaxgankn) joined ##slackware. [11:31] firefox starts with no problem and seems good for me [11:31] just did an image search with 'png' in the search and was fine [11:31] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.40) joined ##slackware. [11:31] NaCl: trying to install gmp fails looking for gmp [11:32] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [11:32] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-and-libpng-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/ [11:32] maddslacker, read that link above please [11:32] maddslacker: read that [11:32] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:32] NaCl, you recall the patch for libpng 1.2.x in 13.0? [11:33] running irssi from a non desktop terminal looks very film like [11:33] You need to patch both 1.2 and 1.4.0 sources with it using the -current slackbuild [11:33] NaCl: [11:33] dive have you found a solution for the libpng bug? [11:33] yes [11:33] NaCl: I did, and gmp still fails with the same error [11:33] read link above [11:33] maddslacker: do *everything* it says [11:34] ldconfig helps [11:34] alienBOB: PyQt and Qscintilla have been rebuilt in -current, but you didn't rebuild them for kde 4.4. Does it matter? [11:34] NaCl: 1) I can reqd, and 2) I did [11:34] *read, but not spell...heh [11:34] The manual extraction, right? [11:34] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:34] grrr, actuallt slackpkg is failing on those few packages, is prolly my real issue right now [11:34] maddslacker, did you untar the tarball in / ? [11:35] maddslacker, slackpkg won't help you [11:35] dammit, no wonder I keep my server at home on 13.0 >( [11:35] dive: [11:35] like slackpkg is the first issue, ima dork with that for a minute [11:36] and of course the mocing company is here with my new VTL's...brb [11:36] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31062.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:36] you need to download the package yourself and mv it to / then 'tar xf bllabla.txz' [11:36] then run /install/doinst.sh [11:36] then ldconfig [11:36] after chmod +x it [11:36] yep [11:37] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:37] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [11:37] Although the doinst.sh prolly does what ldconfig does. [11:37] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:37] mmm it makes a lot of symlinks [11:37] so does ldconfig. :P [11:38] I thought ldconfig just updates cache [11:38] ? [11:38] i hear that symlinks can be good for your bloodpressure [11:38] dunno [11:38] zaltekk, wrong [11:39] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30BB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:39] dive: 'update shared library links' [11:39] right [11:40] ok: ldconfig creates the necessary links and cache to the most recent shared libraries [11:40] so it does both, we were both right :P [11:40] :) [11:42] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31062.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:44] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:47] gar0t0 (69@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: reboot [11:49] dive: okay, so first what's the fix for slackpkg thjrowing the out of date conf file error? [11:49] maddslacker, not sure - haven't seen that one [11:49] me neither, before now [11:49] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] probably need to merge a .new file [11:50] maddslacker: whatcha talkin bout willis? [11:50] look in /etc/slackpkg/ [11:50] man this sucks, this is my work machine and I'm dead in the water [11:50] sberthelot (~sberthelo@2002:52ea:963c:1::11) left irc: Quit: Quitte [11:50] maddslacker, for one thing you _never_ install -current on a production box for this reason [11:50] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:50] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.150.190) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:51] dive: in 10 years ut has never burned me like this before [11:51] maddslacker, did you get gmp installed? [11:51] i'm using my spare windows box for now [11:51] let's start with that [11:51] dive: no, gmp install throws an error that gmp is missing [11:52] Reaver2 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:52] dive: get gmp and install it first [11:52] just untar it by hand [11:52] maddslacker: ^ [11:52] Nick change: notKlaatu -> klaatu_lunch [11:52] i had to do the same [11:52] maddslacker, ok download this and get it on your current box: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/l/gmp-5.0.1-i486-1.txz [11:52] upgradepkg [11:52] mrselfpwn, I know I fixed it hours ago and posted a howto on LQ [11:53] dive: i meant to say maddslacker [11:53] :/ [11:53] well he doesn't seem to be able to follow the instructions so let's see how far we get [11:53] ay [11:55] maddslacker, done that? [11:55] dive: doing it now while also dealing with work drama...lol [11:55] give me a shout when you have it on there then [11:55] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [11:55] yup [11:56] dive: root@fchqcmlaptop:/home/cmaddocks/downloads# installpkg gmp-5.0.1-i486-1.txz expr: error while loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [11:57] untar it to root [11:57] is that the one I need to do the chmod and ldconfig on, or libpng? [11:57] ok, yeah [11:57] one sec [11:57] maddslacker, do _not_ try to installpkg it [11:57] maddslacker, move it to / [11:57] maddslacker, then 'tar xf gmp-5.0.1-i486-1.txz' [11:57] dive: yeah, I'm on it, I forgot the steps were for this package not libpng [11:58] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Client Quit [11:58] then you need to 'chmod +x install/doinst.sh; install/doinst.sh ' [11:58] source install/doinst.sh? ;) [11:59] after that run ldconfig [11:59] done all that [11:59] BP{k}, well you could source it but since we aren't doing it from a shell script is it worth it? [11:59] maddslacker, and ran ldconfig? [12:00] dive: yes [12:00] ok now installpkg gmp-5.0.1-i486-1.txz and see if there's an error [12:01] dive: probably not. :) [12:01] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [12:02] dive: same error [12:02] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.202.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:03] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:03] which one, the out of date conf or gmp not found? [12:03] gmp not found [12:03] which directory are you in? [12:04] out of date conf is only when I try to run slackpkg [12:04] maddslacker: i had that problem , and was working in init 1 and did the upgradepkg for gmp and it turned out to work for me. [12:04] oh, slackpkg new-config is failing on the gmp issue as well [12:05] so at least it's not a *separate* issue...heh [12:05] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [12:05] maddslacker, which directory are you in? [12:05] dive: / [12:05] if you must just to get slackpkg to work symlink the old libgmp to a fake libgmp.so.10 [12:05] or whatever [12:05] not clean though may work enough to get it to work [12:06] I untarred it to / and ran ldconfig and it worked fine... [12:06] At that point slackpkg could continue to do its business [12:06] NaCl: so did I, and it didn't work at all [12:06] although ldconfig completes without error [12:06] maddslacker: is it located int /usr/lib? [12:06] is it actually there now? [12:07] seeing as I run 64 bit I'm guesing no, but I can look in lib64 [12:07] ah [12:07] Nick change: klaatu_lunch -> notKlaatu [12:07] not sure about 64bit. didn't see you were running that. [12:08] maddslacker, ls -l /usr/lib/libgmp.so.10 [12:08] maddslacker, that package was for 32 bit [12:08] sigh [12:08] ^^ [12:08] lol [12:08] THAT explains it..heh [12:08] indeed [12:09] hah [12:09] so, grab 64 bit package and follow same steps [12:11] yeah, I grabbed the 64bit package and then the ldconfig worked [12:11] now slackpkg runs again [12:11] now I'm reading the libpng fix [12:13] The cake was a lie. [12:13] Is using fakeroot for building slackware packages OK or not? I do [12:14] maddslacker, you can use alienBOB's package for 64bit [12:15] dive: I did, and it installed [12:15] run this: update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders [12:15] any errors? [12:15] now running slackpkg upgrade-all (glibc, etc came up dry) and I made sure therewas no libpng in the upgrade [12:15] ^^ [12:15] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-239.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Nick change: tuvok302Lappy -> tuvok302 [12:17] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:19] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] dont' omit libpng, alot of other stuff linked to it will probably break [12:19] tuvok302 (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-239.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:19] thrice`, he has used alienBOB's libpng [12:20] if he upgrades it it will break [12:20] dive: i just realized my glibc upgrade won't work cuz they are blacklisted due to multilib packages from alienBOB [12:20] hmm [12:20] I can't fix this now as I have work to do, so I'm off to the windows pc to work [12:21] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:22] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:22] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:22] zecafig (zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left ##slackware. [12:23] telperion (~Adium@186.28.145.193) joined ##slackware. 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[12:26] yeah [12:26] i needed to delete i2c_core.ko [12:26] X says they are the wrong format [12:26] hi guys [12:27] it is compiled as Y in huge but present in modules-smp package [12:27] on 686 at least [12:27] FATAL: Error inserting i915 (/lib/modules/2.6.33/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko): Invalid module format [12:27] this is the fatal one in my case [12:27] ea_suter: I got some error [12:27] ea_suter: have a look at your dmesg [12:27] use the generic kernel [12:27] do you have : i2c_core: exports duplicate symbol i2c_smbus_xfer (owned by kernel) [12:27] ? [12:28] nheco (~nheco@200-203-110-182.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:29] yeah I do [12:29] ea_suter, hope you dont have same issue I have (KMS with i915 doesnt work for me -> blank screen) [12:29] I don't think so nvision2 [12:29] ok, the "ugly" fix for huge is rm /lib/modules/2.6.33-smp/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-core.ko ; depmod -a [12:29] my xorg just fails to start [12:29] ok, thanks :) [12:29] or generic kernel should work (not tested) [12:30] sberthelot: generic kernel works [12:30] tested :) [12:30] I hope someone will catch this bug too [12:31] kernel .config is not coherent between modules-smp package and kernel-huge (on 686 at least) [12:31] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: No route to host [12:32] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.127.164) joined ##slackware. [12:33] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.92.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:34] well [12:34] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [12:34] telperion (~Adium@186.28.145.193) joined ##slackware. [12:34] tested it and it works, however I had to also remove i2c-algo-bit.ko [12:34] bbl [12:34] ok, i didn't have to remove this one but it may conflict too [12:34] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-100.temp.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:37] gar0t0_ (69@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [12:37] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Disconnected by services [12:37] gar0t0_ (69@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Client Quit [12:38] gar0t0 (69@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [12:39] ok, so far so good. Everythings still running....now the configs [12:40] g4tt0 (~Romeo~@host151-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: g4tt0 [12:40] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.127.164) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:42] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [12:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:46] telperion (Adium@186.28.145.193) left ##slackware. 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[13:37] er no that's the one with the problem sahk0 [13:37] yeah just noticed there isnt a 1.4.0 stable one, only rc's [13:38] errm no, there is [13:38] anyway, nevermind [13:39] lol [13:40] i dont like reverse changelogs like this one http://libpng.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=libpng/libpng;a=blob_plain;f=CHANGES;hb=HEAD :P [13:40] ah crap what [13:40] *scrolls* [13:41] nheco (~nheco@200-203-110-182.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [13:44] obiect (~obiect@67.55.17.235) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Nick change: KB1JWQ -> Sorthum [13:46] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [13:46] Nick change: Sorthum -> KB1JWQ [13:46] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] dive: do I'm upgraing all my multilib packages, then I think i can proceed [13:48] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [13:48] maddslacker, I know almost nothing about multilib [13:49] hello, I want to make a fresh start by erasing everything on my HDD before I install Slackware. From what I understand, this can be done by writing zeroes all over the HDD using 'dd'. My question is, how long will this process take? I have an Aspire One D150 and 160gb HDD [13:49] except that I also can't mount a dvd or iso [13:49] I was previously running Windows XP Sp3 [13:50] I think slackpkp --clean-system is about where I'm at [13:50] obiect: will take some hours [13:50] obiect: it makes no sense to wipe a drive that way. [13:50] But why would you obiect? [13:50] alienBOB: [13:50] jg71_ (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:50] Wiping only the MBR is enough [13:50] am screwed, I ran today upgrades, but with 2.9.x multilibs [13:50] what's the easiest fix? unblacklist multilib for now? [13:51] how does one wipe out only the mbr? [13:51] maddslacker: you can't get screwed for upgrading or not the multilib packages [13:51] obiect: dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/drive bs=512 count=1 [13:51] fdisk /mbr [13:51] obiect: that wipes your mbr, including partition table. at that point it's as good as clean [13:51] alienBOB: slackpkg is looking for glibc >=2.11 [13:51] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [13:52] and I have 2.9 [13:52] and they are blacklisted as per the multilib howto [13:52] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [13:52] maddslacker: running 13.0 or -current? [13:52] jikjtzzf (~edud@port-92-204-15-243.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [13:53] excellent ananke [13:53] jikjtzzf (~edud@port-92-204-15-243.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Client Quit [13:53] thank you :) [13:53] alienBOB: -current, 13.0 I'm sure would be fine [13:54] so I'm thinking I should remove the blacklisted packages [13:54] obiect (~obiect@67.55.17.235) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:54] let the upgrade complete, [13:54] then redo the multilib [13:54] err, remove the blacklist [13:54] glibc 2.9 was 13.0 ... -current has 2.11 so you have misconfigured slackpkg [13:55] no [13:55] I have blacklisted glibc and gcc [13:55] as per the multilib howto I followed [13:55] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [13:55] -current user mismatch detected! [13:55] Well of course you need to keep those updated with what *I* update... [13:56] rworkman: indeed [13:56] :) [13:56] dive: I upgraded darkstat to 3.0.713-rc1 as suggested by its author and now it works for me \o/ [13:56] I see that alienBOB [13:56] ah nice [13:56] I see that alienBOB's howto no longer has that instruction...heh [13:57] it's been a while since I did the multilib [13:58] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:58] You might want to keep that up to dat [13:58] If you use a package manager like slackpkg you will have to add all glibc and gcc package names to its package blacklist. If you do not take this precaution, you run the risk of your package manager accidentally replacing your multilib versions with Slackware's original pure 64-bit versions! [13:58] that's what I had done originally [13:58] dirty (jaird@64.215.163.99) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:59] I personally just go and uncheck all of the gcc/glibc stuff from upgrades. [13:59] Unless it actually was upgraded. [13:59] you use a GUI package manager? [13:59] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: d ä_å b [14:00] maddslacker: yes, that info is correct. It applies to the stable 13.0 release. [14:00] maybe (~may_be@196.202.27.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:00] maddslacker: when you decide to follow -current, you are implicitly stating that you don't need detailed instructions for everything any more because you understand how the system fits together. [14:02] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:03] metrofox_ (~chatzilla@ppp-60-255.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:04] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@173.155.190.139) joined ##slackware. [14:04] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-162-196-121.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] metrofox (~chatzilla@ppp-60-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:05] Nick change: metrofox_ -> metrofox [14:05] your wallet says bad motherfucker on it [14:06] nod [14:06] Stop looking at my ass, GooseYArd [14:06] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [14:06] willy__ (~willy@19.102.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [14:07] hi guys, since I've upgraded to the latest packages I've this problem with X: [14:07] (EE) intel(0) no kernel modesetting driver detected [14:07] (EE) screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. [14:07] Are you running 2.6.33 kernel metrofox? [14:07] hi every one :) [14:07] or a custom kernel? :) [14:08] willy__: hi :) [14:08] hrm, not who I thought you were. [14:08] metrofox, you need kms built in [14:08] alienBOB: Yes I do, I'm running my custom 2.6.33 kernel... but I have this problem with my 2.6.32.7 kernel too, which worked before I upgraded :) [14:09] You need to explicitly enable KMS in lilo.conf then perhaps [14:09] metrofox, intel 2.10 removed user-space stuff - it NEEDS kms to work at all [14:09] metrofox: userspace changes; the intel driver in -current requires KMS now. [14:09] rworkman: yeah, this one bit me, but I'll stay on it from now on [14:09] thrice`: it's much nicer now, eh? :) [14:09] I love you guys :-) Thank you... [14:09] rworkman: [14:10] rworkman, I think it's slick, indeed [14:10] rworkman: it's annoying me as it's my main laptop, but my server at home stays on the stable version ;) [14:10] Good :) [14:10] why doesn't slackware use fakeroot in the process of building packages from source code? [14:10] evanton: why would it? [14:10] If we don't trust upstream, then we've already lost, right? [14:10] rworkman: wouldn't it help to detect dependencies easier? [14:11] (and there are some upstream projects that make me wonder, though not from a security standpoint *cough*png*cough*) [14:11] umm yep [14:11] evanton: I don't know, but we don't have any trouble with that now, so how is that beneficial? [14:11] apropos png :) [14:11] rworkman: interested in a fix? :) [14:11] pprkut: Pat's got it already; [14:12] Not sure of a timeframe on release, but it's done [14:12] doh. too slow :D [14:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Nick change: manwichmakeameal -> manwich-laptop [14:13] rworkman: ok, if one builds a package and it builds fine, it means that everything that app needs is installed. but how people use to find explicitly what an app needs? ldd magic a posteriori, after building? [14:14] rworkman: ehehe [14:15] evanton: fakeroot is for things that have assed up DESTDIR [14:15] Yeah, I'm not seeing how fakeroot is at all useful for the deps issue [14:15] Not [14:16] its also useful if somebodys makefile insists on chowning things to root or calling mknod, etc [14:16] virtually all of which are bad ideas [14:18] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:19] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Nick change: willy__ -> elgui02 [14:22] solid_liquid (~solid_liq@unaffiliated/solidliq) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:24] Nick change: elgui02 -> willyGT [14:26] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:27] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:28] heh i hope nobody who got openssl 0.9.8m is running mod_ssl [14:28] why? [14:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:29] because the workaround for the vulnerability in tls was just disable tls renegotiation completely [14:29] hah [14:29] oops [14:29] Well, time for a 'real' fix eh [14:30] so if you have mod_ssl set up with client cert auth, and you use renegotiation to allow different access to different paths, you're out of luck [14:30] Yeah doesn't apply to me.. thank god [14:30] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] yah its not very common [14:30] outside of the gubmt anyway [14:34] anybody knows what opions must i add,to display folders on apache? [14:34] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] indexes [14:36] Option Indexes? [14:36] +Indexes [14:36] folders [14:39] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:39] -> lunch, bbl [14:40] nothing again... http://pastebin.ca/1819740 [14:40] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-134-194.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:42] tried with a + ? [14:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:44] Options Indexes [14:44] yeah [14:44] maddslacker (~3f96a386@gateway/web/freenode/x-ngssaitviaxgankn) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:44] you might also be interested in fancy indexing [14:44] see /etc/httpd/extra [14:44] I think [14:44] not beneficial, just worth reading about [14:44] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.40) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [14:45] bah, enable indexes in .htaccess, this will be local to those directories that you need to behave like that [14:45] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:46] evanton, i have done this but nothing again [14:46] sirslacker (1001@s0463.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [14:46] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-149-4.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [14:46] sirslacker (1001@s0463.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Client Quit [14:47] van: do you have .htaccess files working properly? how did you enable them? [14:47] van: also, you might want to ask in #apache, I believe there is such a channel here [14:47] ok .thx :) [14:48] I think they might redirect him to #httpd [14:48] there is an #apache but I cant recall something about the topic saying goto #httpd for some reason [14:48] can* [14:49] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [14:50] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:56] sortremo1d (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:56] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:56] sortremo1d (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:56] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:57] Nick change: willyGT -> WillyGT [14:58] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [14:59] hi guys! bit of a problem with latest upgrade.. seems nvidia installer cannot find my new kernel source, even if i specify with SYSSRC... any idea's? stuck in console [14:59] which version? [14:59] (nvidia version) [15:00] 195.30 [15:00] 32bit? [15:00] 64 [15:01] try ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/195.36.08/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-195.36.08-pkgX.run [15:01] it's the driver i've used for months, and reinstalled few times after kernel upgrade... but since -current kernel upgrade to 2.6.33, it can't find the source, even tho it is installed, and present in /usr/src/ and pointed to by SYSSRC.. i'm stuck [15:01] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.155.190.139) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:01] get the updated nvidia package phrag ! [15:01] duh [15:01] hehe [15:01] wget ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/195.36.08/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-195.36.08-pkgX.run [15:01] replace X with 0-2 depending on what you want [15:01] ooh, must of missed that in links! =) [15:01] thanks guys, will give it shot now [15:01] phrag: hehehe [15:02] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: See ya! [15:02] sahko: thankyou [15:02] hope it works. havent tried it myself yet :P [15:02] just started syncing :) [15:03] seems a strange bug [15:03] phrag: kernel is too new [15:03] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.1) joined ##slackware. [15:03] which? i'm running latest kernel [15:03] 2.6.33 [15:03] And NVIDIA hasn't updated their site recently. [15:03] yes, that's what i'm running [15:04] ah, i get you [15:04] nvision (~nvision@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:04] step 1: put slackware on ipod touch [15:04] owned. [15:05] anyone running 64-current + nvidia driver? [15:05] phrag: me [15:05] did it rebuild ok? [15:05] With that newest version, yes [15:05] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:05] guaxinim (~guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [15:05] guaxinim (~guax@189.4.99.110) left irc: Changing host [15:05] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [15:05] And what are in the different packages anyway? I just get 0 all of the time [15:06] that doesnt ave 32bit compatibility [15:06] i may have hosed my system as when upgrading i had the missing lib issue and didnt cancel upgrade quick enough [15:06] and some other thing i dont remember atm [15:06] Pa^3 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Pa^3 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:06] its just the stuff you normally need [15:06] therefore i had to reinstall a/ just to be safe [15:06] sahko: seems like some 32-bit lib was upgraded somewhere [15:06] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:06] i always seem to get -2 [15:06] atha (~root@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:07] ah... sweet =) [15:07] thanks guys, seems latest nvidia works a treat, <= not so [15:07] that was 'less than' doesn't work [15:07] nvision2 (~hub@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:07] metrofox (~chatzilla@ppp-60-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920] [15:07] =) [15:08] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: brb [15:09] Huh. My 32-bit libGL went away. [15:09] NaCl: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3785381#post3785381 [15:09] sahko: you're right [15:09] i think this is precise [15:09] thats how i found out myself:) [15:09] Oh. [15:09] sahko: thanks [15:10] np:) [15:10] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:10] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [15:11] sahko: thanks. learn something new. :) [15:11] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [15:12] i dont know for sure, but its certain pkg0 doesnt prompt you to install 32bit libs like pkg2 does [15:12] it's like it says in that post [15:12] that's why I use pkg0 in the slackbuilds [15:12] sahko: confirmed [15:13] sahko: you may also need to blacklist nouveau [15:14] you mean with 2.6.33 ? [15:14] yes [15:15] I had to do that, but unfortunately, I lost the pretty KVM'd console. :( [15:15] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7EB4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:15] Oh, what I have to sacrifice to get good GL support... [15:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:16] NaCl: what's a kvm'd console? :D [15:16] ... [15:16] KMS'd [15:16] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:17] :P [15:17] einars8 (~einars8@212.93.100.149) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Noveau had to die. [15:17] I may try to get it up later, but that requires haxing libdri [15:17] or drm [15:17] what was it doing [15:17] or not doing [15:18] Didn't have a working X driver. [15:18] nv was terrible. [15:18] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:18] ah [15:18] the nvidia module didn't want to cooperate with nouveau. [15:18] So nouveau was blacklisted, and nvidia was installed. [15:18] i have managed to keep nouveau going here but it has required ever increasing levels of kernel hackage [15:19] Hence why I am waiting until it stabilizes. [15:19] What's needed for nouveau to work (except kernel 2.6.33)? [15:19] einars8: well, it depends [15:19] hacked DRM and DRI [15:20] And hacked kernel, sometimes [15:20] hacked drm? what's that? [15:20] It handles rendering. [15:20] Actually, I have to go for a bit. bbl. [15:20] there was a period where libdrm 2.4.18 and the driver that was in the pre 2.6.33 branch worked together, although you needed to get mesa from git [15:20] the drm from nouveau not the kernel [15:20] and you need 2.6.34 at least now [15:21] now I'm using 2.6.34, have manually merged the nouveau kernel tree into it, and im using libdrm head from git and mesa head from git [15:21] tavl (~tavl@189.70.159.88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:21] wow, looks a bit extensive for my slack 13 [15:21] and the merge produces 8 or 10 conflicts so theres a bit of editing to be done [15:22] notKlaat1 (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] its either horrifying or exciting [15:22] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:23] notKlaat1 (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Changing host [15:23] notKlaat1 (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. 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[15:40] and I ignored it and tried to install anyhow [15:40] but didn't work out [15:41] GooseYArd i didnot undedrstand how to do that exactly [15:41] fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- [15:45] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:46] x1user: read the instructions [15:46] i read them but couldnot understand them [15:46] hbekel (~hbekel@ip-78-94-20-75.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [15:47] I would avoid trying to build gcc then [15:49] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:49] nvision_ (~nvision@g225059208.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:49] hbekel (~hbekel@ip-78-94-20-75.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [15:50] nvision (~nvision@g225058007.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:51] hbekel (~hbekel@ip-78-94-20-75.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. 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[15:56] cxxlibs too [15:56] i forgot i could search for it in slackpkg >.<; [15:56] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.155.190.139) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:56] grep libstdc /var/log/packages/* [15:57] subvhome (~substance@1-18-132-169.idt.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] nvision (~nvision@g225059208.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:57] jeev: that works for installed packages [15:57] ok, I got my system updated, and now x won't start and throws an error about the intel i915 video driver [15:57] otherwise one could grep the MANIFEST file [15:57] maddslacker1: I'm where you're at right now [15:58] trying to install FF 3.0.4 and it's bitching about libstdc++.so [15:58] ClaudioM: nice [15:58] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:58] mathieu (~mathieu@std93-12-88-175-160-59.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] I've scoured LQ and have added the KMS apped option to lilo [15:58] Necos: why such an old version? [15:58] ClaudioM: I'm going to try to switch it ti vesa and see if x will start at all [15:58] still nothing [15:58] 2:57] ok, I got my system updated, and now x won't start and throws an error about the intel i915 video driver [15:58] argh [15:58] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:58] frickin rat, sorry [15:58] mathieu (~mathieu@std93-12-88-175-160-59.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:58] evanton, it's the one from 12.2, i was just testing it [15:59] well, I can always back-rev to 13.0, but I don't want to [15:59] nvision (~nvision@g225059208.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Excess Flood [15:59] I've even changed the link to have rc.modules point to rc.modules-2.6.33 [15:59] Was wonder.. what is the process in creating my own live usb... i want to have a bare installation that has xorg, xfce4, vpnc, pidgin, rdesktop, and firefox. 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[16:00] DeputyDERPDERP (~moot@75.110.36.127) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:01] the gtk /png stuff is fixed in -current, btw [16:01] hey thrice` [16:01] if I switch to vesa, kde still fails but xfce will launch [16:02] hi :> [16:02] nvision (~nvision@g225059208.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:02] subvhome: check out Slax [16:03] thrice`: yep [16:03] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) joined ##slackware. [16:03] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [16:04] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:04] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [16:05] maddslacker1: sweet! [16:06] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [16:08] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [16:09] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [16:12] maddslacker1: that is HOT! [16:12] :) thanks. [16:13] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [16:13] maddslacker1: are you getting the invalid module format messages? [16:14] yes [16:14] so I get X to launch with vesa [16:15] and i get KDE to start if I fix the libpng issue [16:15] but I have crappy resolution and no icon for wicd-client [16:15] EST [16:15] if an alias in /etc/hosts is not resolving, where can you look [16:15] wrong terminal [16:15] maddslacker1: if i want to put this on a USB... should i download the TARball or should i just go for the ISO? [16:16] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:16] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [16:16] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:19] subvhome, are you planning to use it from CD or a usb stick? [16:19] weird, Pat seems to have added some files to the package directories [16:20] what files? 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I think it's iso for CD, and tarball for usb stick [16:21] subvhome: there's a specific download, and instructions, for USB [16:21] i must be getting old then [16:21] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: backup time [16:21] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220511560480&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=L*F%3F&GUID=20c1405e1270a0e203e14671fd2ec537&itemid=220511560480&ff4=263602_263622 [16:22] according to ebya i have a $100 keyboard d(^.^)b [16:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:24] no, according to that somebody else thinks they have a $100 keyboard [16:24] cathectic (~cathectic@slamd64/cathectic) joined ##slackware. [16:24] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:24] thats the same keyboard i ahve [16:24] so sombody thinks my keyboard is worth $100 [16:24] or atleast the same type [16:24] sorry. [16:24] its funny tho [16:25] maddslacker1: i don't see any particular instructions.. just the ability to download iso or tar.. i will download both. [16:25] i took this out of cold storage at my college (effectivly computer hell) [16:25] for free [16:25] much cheaper than $100 [16:26] those weren't $100 when they were new on the amrket [16:27] yeha but also i saw an un opened chrono cross for snes on ebay for like $400 [16:27] you can get a working used one now for like $50 online or like $5 in a pawn shop [16:27] anyone having any luck with the intel driver? [16:27] but some people are crazy [16:28] hmm.. relsov.conf and hosts file are handing off resolution to dns, when i have an alias mapped to a local ip.. anyone care to suggest a cause [16:28] subvhome: http://www.slax.org/documentation_usb_troubleshoot.php [16:29] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [16:29] it only states that it runs faster and covers corrupt FS [16:29] nothing based on installation [16:29] damn, i'm gonna have to update the entire system for this to work >.> [16:30] apparently, the newer versions of flashplayer and FF are compiled with gcc-4 [16:30] weirdest thing tho some of that guys stuff is resonbly priced others is way over priced [16:31] john_dee (~id@93-81-68-16.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [16:32] most of his computer related stuff is aincent tho [16:33] meh [16:33] http://www.slax.org/documentation_install_slax.php [16:33] subvhome: ^^ [16:35] maddslacker1: thanks alot. Wonder how i missed this. [16:37] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:37] gar0t0 (69@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:38] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:39] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. 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[16:57] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [16:57] kslen: what wm/de are you using? [16:57] xfce at the moment [16:58] ahh. i was going to say that kde doesn't need compiz [16:58] returning to gnome slackbuild shortly. figured i'd try out the stock compiz to compare performance [16:58] exos (~exos@128-163-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:58] :> [16:58] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-151.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] exos (~exos@128-163-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:06] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-162-196-121.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] hm. is it just me or isn't compizconfig available on stock 13.0? [17:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:08] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [17:08] compiz is version 0.7.8 in Slackware 13.0 [17:08] kslen: `cat /var/log/packages/compiz-some-ver` [17:11] chipster: /var/log/packages/compiz-0.7.8-i486-4 [17:11] just tells me it's part of x11 ^^ [17:12] can't see anything but the kde/gtk-window-decorator and compiz binaries [17:12] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:12] kslen: precisely my point in teaching you to fish [17:13] chipster, but i like cheezburgers.. [17:13] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.155.190.139) joined ##slackware. [17:16] MrJacks0n (~MrJackson@173-86-31-21.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] is slackware64-current working good? i might try running it later... any major issues that i might encounter running it? [17:18] foobarz: check the linuxquestions forum. i think there were issues with libpng [17:19] does skype work on slackware64? [17:19] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:20] it should [17:20] great [17:21] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:21] it lists its requirements for the linux beta as: Qt 4.4.0, D-Bus 1.0.0, libasound2 1.0.18 [17:21] foobarz: it does, I've run it [17:22] solid_liquid (~solid_liq@unaffiliated/solidliq) joined ##slackware. [17:22] not on a stock Slackware, it doesnt [17:22] does xmms run on slackware64? sounds funny to ask but i like it xmms [17:23] i'm just hoping for switch to 64 bit and everything is basically the same, all the same apps [17:24] sahk0: what has to be done... for skype? [17:24] foobarz: yes, xmms comes on a stock slack install [17:25] search the internet and you'll find it [17:25] silvergun (~silvergun@std93-12-88-175-160-59.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Quitte [17:25] sahk0: allot of porn? [17:25] :> [17:26] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:26] SyS-halt (~hat@62.84.76.237) joined ##slackware. [17:28] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:28] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:28] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [17:28] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:29] so this is the year for the rise of 64-bit OSes? [17:29] i hope skype etc. all get running on 64 soon... i want to run 64 bit so I use all 8GB of ram good [17:30] 32bit got stuck at 4GB of ram right? [17:30] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:30] now systems have more ram than that common now [17:31] ipfreely (~munki@75.85.170.186) joined ##slackware. [17:31] 32-bit is badly obsolete now i think [17:31] Nick change: maddslacker1 -> maddslacker [17:31] weird when I reattached to this channel it said end of banlist, lol [17:32] anyways, does anyone happen to know what version of binutils is compiled for slackware off hand? [17:32] binutils-2.18.50.0.9-x86_64-2 [17:32] thats on current [17:33] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:33] if I want, can't i run slackware-curent 32-bit in qemu while i run slackware64, and use 32-bit software like skype in qemu? [17:33] foobarz: you can run multilib as well [17:33] and no 32 bit is not obsolete [17:34] I was going to compile binutils for an arm toolchain, just was going to make it the same version so I didnt run into trouble down the road, thanks :) [17:34] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:35] all those multilib packages are not official packages are they? [17:35] foobarz, even in 32 bit Linux Kernel you can run more than 4GB [17:36] official no [17:36] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] SyS-halt: i heard it is possible, something like PAE mode... but i also heard using it is bad, but i don't know... like it PAE doesn't really use the memory very well [17:37] 32 bit RHCL5 supports up to 16GB foobarz [17:37] alienBOB's stuff is as close to official you will get and his packages arent bad either [17:37] foobarz: i run several servers in pae never had an issue [17:38] i run his multilib packages [17:38] foobarz, you can simply recompile your distro kernel with hugmem set and you will have access to more than 4GB [17:38] SyS-halt: oh... hugmem... that is that "64GB" option in the kernel make menuconfig isn't it? [17:39] if your motherboard is of well known manufacuturer using PAE will not do any harm foobarz, it is there to use this feature [17:39] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-79-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:39] you can apply it on 32 bit foobarz [17:39] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-79-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] 2.20 wouldnt compile. [17:40] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:40] so ill try with 18 now [17:41] SyS-halt: yes, I might just stay on 32-bit and try using that largest memory option... i compile my kernel myself normally anyway... i will be using Intel 3420 chipset and Xeon 3450 2.66GHZ with 8GB reg ecc ram... how well with that do PAE memory in 32-bit? [17:41] maybe u r right, I am not sure about 2.20 Fatalnix. if you try it please inform us with the result [17:42] or not [17:42] sure. [17:42] i like the idea of 64-bit but not if it means difficulties running mainstream applications [17:42] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:42] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:42] and by the way foobarz if you are using a Server Hardware that supports 64 bit then why no to install 64bit OS [17:42] I get a different problem with binutils 2.18, a bunch of nothing to be done for 'info-am', etc [17:43] SyS-halt: so i am best to run 64-bit and do multilib with the hardware i will use? [17:44] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [17:45] _sknz_ (~sky@189.58.123.190.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:45] it should work in theory, try searching first for the applications you normally use and see others feedback, foobarz [17:46] I'm using make -k in the case that its just poorly listed in the makefile. [17:46] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] probably not a good idea with binutils though [17:46] if it is a lab environment at home, simply Backup your system, do an image with Mondo or Acronis, and if things didn't wor kwell you can restore you old running image foobarz [17:47] i was planning on running 64bit slack thena 32bit vm w/ 3d excel so i could run epsxe and stuff that i couldn't get to run on salck64 [17:47] solid_liquid (~solid_liq@unaffiliated/solidliq) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:48] <_sknz_> what better way to protect your server with web apps like xoops moodle in slack? jail, mod_security, others? [17:48] hm i'm leaning toward running the idealism of slackware64.. i can take my chances and try multilib or even qemu to run the 32-bit slackware... hope for the best [17:48] <_sknz_> foobarz, i dont like multilib [17:48] but i'm really wanting a trouble hacked-free system [17:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] _sknz_: hm... what is good you think? just do qemu for 32-bit stuff? [17:51] <_sknz_> foobarz, hmm for qemu nothing really [17:51] did someone tried to compile gcc-4.4.3 on slack 13 [17:52] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:53] <_sknz_> anybody like chroot/jail ?? [17:53] my questions about 64-bit are tiresome, so I will stop soon... but do games like Nexiuz and quake etc run on slackware64? [17:53] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:54] yes because it has the 32bit set of libs. [17:54] wow, so the multilib isn't well-liked, but it is overall the thing to do if I want to run everything?? [17:55] SyS-halt (~hat@62.84.76.237) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:55] indeed? [17:55] I see the new libpng on the changelog, but when I upgrade to it, KDE won't start [17:55] not much of a useful error either [17:55] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:56] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [17:56] maddslacker: sounds like a big problem [17:56] i love invisible not useful errors [17:56] ah, failed to load libpng.so.14 [17:56] ^^ [17:56] once I close X I can see that in the cli [17:57] did you reboot? [17:57] of course [17:57] even though it wasn't required for just the new libpng [17:57] subvhome (~substance@1-18-132-169.idt.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:58] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Action: Delahunt just grabbed the new -current [17:58] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:59] can someone help me, I upgraded my slackware today, and now, no nvidia driver beta driver installs OK but module cannot be loaded, nouveau not working? [17:59] maddslacker, did you read about the whole libpng problem in current? [18:00] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [18:00] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:00] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [18:00] software that works in 32-bit has to be rewritten or edited to work as 64-bit... it is not as simple as just a 64-bit compile? [18:00] zux, yes, but I saw a new package later today [18:00] foobarz: yes [18:00] unless you install multilibs [18:00] zux, so I'll back it off to 1.4.0 I guess [18:01] maddslacker: it has to be rewritten... the code has to be edited so it will compile as a 64-bit program? [18:01] foobarz: oh no, just compiles is all [18:01] *compiled [18:02] zux, yup, back to 1.4.0 and kde starts, but still no intel driver :( [18:02] hmm [18:02] maddslacker: oh.. the code good usually... just recompile and then it is 64-bit... but why can't the release a 64-bit skype? what is their trouble... it is not just a recompile? [18:02] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:02] The-Croupier1 (~ksandros@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:02] i wonder what Pat ment by "Now with less rat." [18:02] foobarz, the answer is: it's complicated [18:03] zux: just read your line - what's wrong in -current? [18:03] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) joined ##slackware. [18:03] before I do something that I regreat [18:03] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:03] Kaapa, there are/were problems with libpng [18:04] it's fixed now [18:04] some programs can be just recompiled, but others need to be rewritten [18:04] cool [18:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:04] thrice`: apparently not [18:04] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.155.190.139) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:04] I just had to back off to 1.4.0 [18:05] anyone here uses radeon with kms? There are some big fat warnings on the new kms driver [18:05] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:05] maddslacker, the update today fixed it - I just did it myself [18:05] van (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:05] someone uses current + nvidia driver? [18:05] thrice`: ok, but when I install it, kde won;t load and when I hit ok the cli errro says error loading libpng [18:06] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:06] Action: maddslacker tries again [18:06] hey toastytoast, do you think Simon would have anything with an RISC? [18:06] maddslacker, are you SURe you updated to today's updates, with a fixed libpng? [18:06] if today is 3.2.2010, then yes [18:06] but I've been installing SAN crap all day and am a little punchy [18:06] thrice`: l/libpng-1.4.1-x86_64-2.txz: Rebuilt. Now with less rat. [18:07] that one? [18:07] datz (~datz@mke-66-97-120-246.milwpc.com) joined ##slackware. [18:07] yes, along with gtk [18:07] oooooh, my mirror isn't up to date [18:07] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Action: maddslacker glares at university of utah [18:07] Hi, I selected fluxbox as my desktop environment. I don't like it much, is there an easy way to switch? or some slackware specific documentation? [18:08] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:08] datz, "xwmconfig" [18:08] datz, how do you start X? [18:08] with startx or with runlevel 4? [18:09] zux: startx [18:09] Nick change: fredoslack -> pleure [18:09] then thrice` told the right path [18:09] Nick change: pleure -> fredoslack-pleur [18:09] great, thanks [18:10] hello [18:10] Nick change: fredoslack-pleur -> fredoslack [18:11] x1user (~x1user@95.87.248.136) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:11] wow, that is super easy [18:11] and also super slick [18:11] thanks guys [18:12] x1user (~x1user@95.87.248.136) joined ##slackware. [18:13] thrice`: every mirror I've tried so far still has -1 version of libpng [18:13] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [18:14] use osuosl [18:14] k [18:15] humm, I noticed no gnome environment, did I overlook it, or just not included for some reason? [18:15] not included [18:15] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:16] datz, for "some reason" you might be able to google for (i really don't remember all the arguments) [18:17] slackware doesn't have gnome [18:17] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-100.temp.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:17] howdy [18:18] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [18:18] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) joined ##slackware. [18:20] thrice`: do you have the url for osuosl? it's not on the getslack page anymore, or in mirrors [18:20] rsync.osuosl.org::slackware [18:21] this works for me [18:21] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/ [18:21] thenaks [18:22] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:22] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:23] \o/ that had the new stuff [18:23] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [18:23] maddslacker, pleeease google such things ;)( [18:24] let me google that for me [18:25] http://justfuckinggoogleit.com [18:25] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.1) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [18:25] that fixed kde, now I just have to figure out wtf with my Intel video driver [18:25] thrice`: quick question, are you running -current? [18:25] he he http://lmgtfy.com/?q=osuosl+slackware+mirror [18:25] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.239) joined ##slackware. [18:26] thrice`: me? yes [18:26] rg3, quick answer, yes [18:26] oh, heh [18:27] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:28] binutils only installed ld, weird. [18:28] and something else [18:29] x1user (~x1user@95.87.248.136) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:30] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:30] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [18:30] r3n4n (~renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) joined ##slackware. [18:31] r3n4n (~renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) left irc: Client Quit [18:33] cathectic (~cathectic@slamd64/cathectic) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:33] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:34] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:35] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.43.216) joined ##slackware. [18:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:36] Ran out of disk space. Better than last time. Last time I had 9 gigs of source code, this time its just 2.3 gigs [18:36] thats just slack builds and other stuff [18:36] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:37] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:37] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [18:37] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:37] zux: ok, will do thanks [18:37] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] chipster (~chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:38] Nick change: datz -> slackster [18:38] hum, not taken... [18:38] Nick change: slackster -> datz [18:39] slackware does not have all the compiz fusion bullshit [18:39] of course not! [18:40] why would you want such a thing [18:40] what bs does it have? :p [18:40] it has software to make paper tape with [18:40] sorry I was scrolled back [18:40] and punchout cards for your ibm fortran programs XD [18:40] slackwaredanny (~slackware@c83-250-115-132.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [18:40] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:40] sweetness [18:40] greetings [18:41] hi earthling [18:41] try ppt "Testing" [18:41] :D [18:42] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [18:42] it also comes with 90% of the libs untuntu doesnt lol [18:42] in a sense [18:44] I've been using ubuntu for awhile so things will be interesting [18:44] !ubuntu [18:44] (just checking) [18:44] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:45] chipster (~chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:45] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:46] yes Datz, it will be :) [18:46] but it will be worth it [18:46] Action: Fatalnix noms on his egg roll [18:46] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] lol [18:47] Action: datz is making coffee [18:47] 2.6.29.6-smp howto get usb_modeswitch working? [18:48] bubbaralph (~frank@ool-45747b10.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] ok, 'error inserting i915 (path to module) invalid module format is what I get when I startx now [18:49] what does "uname -a" say ? [18:49] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] 2.6.33 #3 SMP [18:50] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5475) joined ##slackware. [18:50] slack's kernel, or your own? [18:50] bubbaralph (frank@ool-45747b10.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [18:51] hbekel (~hbekel@ip-78-94-20-75.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [18:51] slack's [18:51] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:51] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:51] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] have you had your own 2.6.33 on there at all? [18:52] no, just got it with the updates today [18:52] it was,umm, 2.6.29 I think? [18:52] guys, after starting latest -current, I get a lot of noise about missing modprobe.conf [18:52] how can I fix it? I know it was removed [18:52] Coolmax (~mateusz@ip-94-42-49-118.multimo.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:54] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:54] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [18:56] how can you fix a missing modprobe.conf .... now, let's see what your options are ... WTH [18:56] not that! [18:56] I can create an empty one - my question is, since it was removed from the pachage, if there any other prefered way I shuold use [18:58] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [18:58] I still have: [18:59] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2010-02-28 20:26 /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf -> ../modprobe.conf [18:59] (but I admit the way I phrased my question was very stupid) [18:59] I don't have /etc/modprobe.conf [19:00] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] reinstall modprobe [19:02] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:03] still not there - not in module-init-tools [19:03] maybe I shuold just remove the link [19:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:03] _sknz_ (sky@189.58.123.190.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [19:03] no, touch /etc/modprobe.conf [19:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:10] evening [19:10] maddslacker: still no resolution? [19:10] ClaudioM: well [19:10] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:10] I removed my multilibs and installed the libpng patch from today [19:10] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:10] I had a stock slackware64 installation [19:11] slackware boots, but intel driver is broken, soI'm running vesa with wonky screen rez [19:11] yeah, I do too, now...lol [19:11] did a slackpkg clean-system before going to current [19:11] and up until now, everything was running nicely [19:11] evrything vanilla....no customizations [19:12] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:12] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [19:12] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:12] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [19:12] heh, I think I know him from another network. [19:12] also, http://packages.slackware.it/ seems down [19:12] I'm hanging out in cliland [19:13] maddslacker (~cmaddocks@71-212-184-108.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:13] and I'm interesting in packages... Is it something like ports for freebsd? [19:13] ClaudioM, the libpng issue is fixed in -current already [19:14] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [19:14] thrice`: do you think it's tied to this problem? [19:14] no [19:14] oh, maybe I'm mis-remembering then - soryr [19:14] There are 3 people I know of now with that intel problem [19:15] I believe it's related to KMS but that's as much as I know [19:15] maddslacker (~cmaddocks@71-212-184-108.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] oops [19:15] well, that much we know [19:15] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:15] what are your symptoms, then? [19:16] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-125.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] according to the chat earlier today, KMS is required now [19:16] right, as of intel-2.10.0 [19:16] yeah' [19:16] the problem is that when you try and launch X, you get messages saying that the KMS modules are in an invalid format [19:17] hmmm [19:17] I've already fixed the rc.modules symlink [19:17] to point to the correct one [19:17] CONFIG_DRM_I915_KMS=y [19:17] ^^ i915 isn't a module :) [19:17] shouldn't need to change rc.modules link - the bootup will use rc.modules-`uname -r` [19:18] I've also added the append="i915.modeset=1" to lilo.conf [19:18] dive: ok [19:18] ClaudioM: yeah, that's what I'm getting [19:18] what's the workaround? [19:18] I don't know myself [19:18] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:18] what do you have vga= set to? [19:18] I've been searching LQ's Slackware subtopic to no avail [19:18] hm, it's compiled INTO the kernel, yet: [19:19] can someone link me to some documentation on installing software? http://packages.slackware.it/ is down. Do I just download sources, or is there something like freeBSD's ports system? [19:19] /var/log/packages/kernel-modules-2.6.33-x86_64-1:lib/modules/2.6.33/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko [19:19] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:19] dive: according to the threads there, they say to comment the vga options out [19:19] datz, slackbuilds.org [19:19] thanks [19:19] ClaudioM, try vga=normal [19:19] oh, nevermind, one is drm [19:19] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [19:19] (may have same effect as commenting out) [19:19] yeah, saw that [19:19] ClaudioM, you should not have any vga lines in there, that's correct [19:20] datz, and sbopkg.org [19:20] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [19:20] dive: k, thanks [19:20] I've spent all afternoon at this :-p [19:20] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:20] good thing work was light :-D [19:20] so I can focus on the important things ;-) [19:20] indeed [19:21] ClaudioM, any error in dmesg? [19:21] ClaudioM, and, huge or generic kernel make any difference? [19:21] I'm using the huge kernel right now [19:21] hm, I'm on generic with my intel card [19:22] thrice`: and it's working fine for you? [19:22] yep, very well actually [19:22] my chipset is X3100 [19:22] same :) [19:22] aha [19:22] then that might be the issue [19:22] I'll have to do the mkinitrd and change it over [19:23] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Client Quit [19:23] might be worth a shot; though, according to the configs in /boot, they are the same in this sense [19:23] anyone here familiar with conky? [19:23] I'd just have to change the symlink correct? [19:23] aside from mkinitrd and such [19:24] SigmaVirus24, yes [19:24] ClaudioM, yeah, but might be best to add a second lilo.conf entry too [19:24] dive: #conky [19:24] ? [19:24] no idea [19:24] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] alright, well [19:24] thrice`: true [19:24] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:24] slack 13.0 apparently ships with conky 1.7.1.1 [19:24] gonna give that a try and report back [19:24] i upgraded to 1.7.2 [19:24] maddslacker: you might want to try that too [19:24] SigmaVirus24, I'm in conky now :) [19:24] biab [19:24] er #conky [19:25] SigmaVirus24, it doesn't ship with conky [19:25] o_O [19:25] nope [19:25] ... [19:25] you must have installed from sbo or somewhere [19:25] slackwaredanny (~slackware@c83-250-115-132.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:25] yeah i did dive [19:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:30] thanks anyway [19:33] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:34] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:39] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:39] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-100.temp.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:40] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] thrice`: you nailed it [19:46] it was a conflict with using the huge kernel [19:46] ClaudioM: I'm working so not really watching, what's the magic? [19:46] you need to use the generic kernel and not the huge kernel [19:46] ClaudioM: why? [19:46] hm, strange [19:47] why what? [19:47] i ran the mkinitrd command listed in /boot/README.initrd [19:47] then I added the lines listed there to lilo.conf (with the appropriate changes in kernel version, of course) [19:47] ran lilo [19:48] rebooted [19:48] KMS then kicked in as it should [19:48] k, I'll look in a bit [19:48] and MAN is it fast [19:48] Hrm, KMS didn't work with the huge kernel? [19:48] no [19:48] it complained that the modules were in an invalid format [19:49] in Xorg.0.log [19:49] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [19:49] actually, it showed that when I ran startx, not in the log [19:49] sorry [19:49] same for me [19:49] Interesting. I can't test that right now either; the only intel box I have *requires* an initrd thanks to LUKS/LVM [19:49] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:51] rworkman: i did get mine updated, I just have to fix this intel issue and then re-install my multilibs [19:51] for the record, Im' running vanilla slackware64-current [19:51] Action: maddslacker is too [19:51] upgraded from vanilla slackware64 stable [19:52] no multilibs or anything [19:52] i need the multilibs for citrix for work [19:52] ah [19:53] by any chance, anyone that is on -current is a tilda user? [19:53] this thing just segfaults [19:55] doh....forgot to reinstall libpng [19:55] :-p [19:56] looks like a few other things were added recently [19:56] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [19:57] Soul_keeper (1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:10] heh, i tried to cheat by just changing the symlink for the kernel, that failed miserably [20:10] it'll have to wait til I can do it right, I'm 10 hours into a SAN install with prolly that many more ahead of me [20:11] good thing I have a windows box to use [20:11] Action: maddslacker ducks [20:11] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:12] anybody know how to limit a user to only be able to rsync files from a box with ssh's authorized_keys? I tried setting command="/usr/bin/rsync --server . /path/to/dir/to/rsync" into the line with the user's public key, and when I try to rsync from the remote box, it just hangs at getting file list [20:14] like, "rsync -av -e ssh user@host:/path/to/dir /dest/path ? [20:15] thrice`: yeah, that's what the remote box is executing [20:15] mishehu: can you tell what the remote rsync is doing as it hangs? [20:15] receiving file list ... [20:16] re - so kms is working with generic kernel? [20:16] dive: yes it is [20:16] for intel? [20:16] correct [20:16] ok I can pass that on tomorrow [20:17] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:17] wait4(-1, receiving file list ... [20:17] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-113.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:17] hm [20:19] the systems are on the same LAN so when I was using it before trying to lock down the key, it would go extremely fast [20:19] dive: with the huge kernel, I would get the "invalid module format" error when I ran startx because KMS wasn't running [20:19] right [20:19] and kms was failing for some reason? [20:19] dive: once I configued lilo to use the generic kernel and rebooted, KMS kicked in during the boot and I saw able to start Xorg [20:19] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:19] good stuff [20:19] indeed [20:21] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:22] ClaudioM, by the way what line do you have in lilo.conf - I will make a note [20:22] I just added another entry for the generic kernel + initrd [20:22] and had lilo default to that label [20:23] the huge one was left in there as a fallback [20:23] don't you need something in append= for the intel driver? [20:23] in case something went wrong [20:23] oh yes [20:23] apped="i915.modeset=1" [20:23] append I mean [20:23] got that from LQ [20:23] and comment out vga= ? [20:23] correct [20:23] You don't need that append on -current [20:23] comemnt out any entry of "vga=" [20:24] oh interesting [20:24] ah ok [20:24] I'll take that out just to try [20:24] vga=(extended|normal) is fine [20:24] ah [20:26] kms on x3100 is pretty snappy [20:27] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5475) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:29] huge fan of kms [20:29] Yes, it rocks [20:29] it makes linux look more expensive [20:30] hehe [20:30] also unreadably tiny console fonts make me nostalgic [20:30] kevin01123 (~user@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] kevin01123 (~user@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:31] which other cards are supported by kms in -current? [20:31] coz_ (~coz_@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345) joined ##slackware. [20:32] coz_ (coz_@unaffiliated/coz/x-457345) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:32] radeon should work these days [20:32] Radeon, but experimental and disabled by default. [20:32] ipfreely (munki@75.85.170.186) left ##slackware. [20:32] Not sure about nvidia [20:33] mind you my choice is a bit limited on this thinkpad - 1024x768 or well you don't want anything smaller :) [20:33] T41? [20:33] T42 [20:33] a fine machine [20:34] it works well [20:34] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.83.243) left irc: Quit: I'll be back... [20:34] Indeed; they're good. [20:35] Ick. Afk for a while [20:36] I've got slack64 running on my work laptop, Dell Lat D630 [20:37] Slack64 is running on my D620. [20:38] I thought the D620 was only a Core Duo...at least the ones at my other work site are Core Duo [20:38] this D630 is Core 2 Duo [20:38] hazyarc (~hazyarc@pool-96-252-231-224.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] hazyarc (~hazyarc@pool-96-252-231-224.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:39] ClaudioM: got a core2 duo here [20:39] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.239) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:40] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.239) joined ##slackware. [20:40] interesting [20:40] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:40] I guess there were some D620s with Core 2 Duos [20:40] nasofe (~nasofe@119.145.72.166) joined ##slackware. [20:41] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:42] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] I thought those all had core duo, and the d630 had the core 2 [20:43] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:44] uname -p says Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU [20:44] exactly what I thought as well [20:44] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] i'm fairly certain d630 has core2duo, i was just looking at one last week [20:45] well, if you're running slack64 without issue, then I would say you're on a 64-bit CPU :-=D [20:45] :P [20:45] in fact,the d630 model number change was because of the core 2 [20:45] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:45] lukas (~lukas@host81-141-249-96.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [20:45] core duo is em64t as well [20:45] They look very similar. [20:45] Core Duo is 32-bit [20:46] Core 2 Duo is 64-bit [20:46] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [20:46] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-149-4.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:46] NaCl, and "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep name | uniq ? [20:46] ClaudioM: yeah, you're right [20:46] aceofspades19 (~jordaneva@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:48] thrice`: yup [20:49] so should I bother with the initrd and generic kernel? or just use VESA until the huge kernel/Intel driver is fixed? [20:49] it's advised to use the generic kernel anyway, so I vote the former :) [20:49] orly [20:49] didn't know that [20:49] chipster (chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left ##slackware. [20:50] and it does require an intird? [20:50] yes [20:50] fun [20:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] maddslacker: yeah I'd go with the generic + initrd [20:56] have one line for the huge kernel just in case as well [20:56] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [20:56] then have lilo default to the generic one for bootup [20:56] Nick change: raph0x88_ -> raph0x88 [20:57] maddslacker: check the link I sent you from LQ on here [20:57] what does it mean when I can't access certain websites through firefox on one machine, but I can when using another machine on the same network. [20:57] that one was specific for xfs filesystems [20:57] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [20:59] where in slackware64-current does one find kernel-ide and kernel-modules and the such? I've been looking for 15 minutes. :( [21:00] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-92.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [21:00] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:213:10ff:fe89:d22) joined ##slackware. [21:00] anyone here uses tilda? [21:00] I don't think you're gonna find kernel-ide [21:01] trying the symlink approach completely fux0red it [21:03] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:03] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-haqnqcwylkrvxqzg) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:04] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-aqokuognmxeitxwc) joined ##slackware. [21:05] I hosed my slack install by using slackpkg and having too many entries in the blacklist. X won't start, and I can't run make menuconfig. Most of it has to do with those 32-bit compatibility packages that weren't upgraded. [21:06] lukas (~lukas@host81-141-249-96.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:06] at least, I think that's what happened. [21:07] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:07] cbpye: same for me [21:08] I removed the blacklist, re-ran slackpkg, and am going to redo the multilibs [21:10] maddslacker: I'd do that, but I can't get a connection on that box now. ifconfig -a shows only a loopback interface. [21:11] and I've got lots of APCI error messages on booting. This isn't fun. [21:11] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:213:10ff:fe89:d22) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:12] anyone knows why one machine can't access certain websites, while another on the same network can? [21:13] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [21:13] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:15] cryptic0: what exactly happens when you try? [21:15] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:15] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-125.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:17] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [21:17] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:18] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:20] praedictus (1001@187-24-227-109.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Anyone else having problems with the nvidia blob with the new kernel ? [21:22] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:23] nope [21:23] praedictus: which version? [21:23] of the nvidia driver I mean [21:23] latest 195.36-08 [21:23] I'm using NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.36.08-pkg1.run also [21:23] builds fine for me [21:24] builds ok, but gives a invalid module format when I launch X [21:24] not here [21:24] not here [21:25] It actually runs really well for me [21:25] same [21:25] I've been using NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.36.08-pkg1.run with 2.6.33 for about a week and a half on my day to day laptop with a Quadro NVS135M with no issues [21:25] hmm then something must have corrupted. with the 32.5 kernel there were no issues [21:26] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:26] praedictus: make sure isn't any old stuff lying around, that could break it. [21:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:27] upgrading too much at once make bughunting more fun :P [21:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:28] slackware wasnt made to be up to date praedictus [21:28] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:28] thats what -current is for [21:29] Even then, it is not "bleeding edge" [21:30] well in the worst case I roll back to last kernel/xserver [21:31] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] O.o [21:33] even the nv driver is being strange, thank Bob for vesa [21:33] praedictus: nv works fine too [21:34] which makes it more likely its a piece of cruft library... [21:34] O.o [21:35] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [21:35] praedictus: if you dont mind, how long you been using slack [21:36] I detect fight instigation. [21:36] my spider sense is tingly. [21:36] since 8.1 [21:36] antiwire: thats not spidey senses, thats herpes [21:37] but they told me it was in remission! [21:37] so 10 years [21:37] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:38] antiwire: thats what happens when you date chicks who who drive 1967 Dodge Darts that take 45 minutes to warm up. [21:38] s/who// [21:39] but she said she loves me. [21:39] she only said that to you because she felt guilty of stinging you [21:39] son of a... [21:39] don't feel bad... i got it too. :*( [21:40] praedictus (1001@187-24-227-109.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:40] LOL [21:40] oops. i thought this was offtopic. lol. sorry [21:41] Action: Cann0n high fives antiwire for making a good laugh [21:41] haha [21:41] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] Cann0n: handy thing is that in the bottom left corner of irssi, it tells you what channel you're in. ;) [21:42] or the topic up top should clue you in.. or the people in here.. :) [21:42] O.o [21:43] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:43] raela: He isn't very bright though, he's oblivious to those subtle hints of what channel he's in. :P [21:43] raela: i'm a dummy, remember? [21:43] oh, good point. I keep nicklistfifo open, so it's fairly obvious to me where I am [21:44] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:44] raela: do you use irssi? [21:44] Cann0n: yep [21:44] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [21:44] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] hmm [21:45] Cann0n: have you seen a screenshot from me with irssi up? would show the nicklist [21:46] raela: it got 10% loaded and i canceled it because it was taking too long [21:46] eh, let me get a crappy low quality of it [21:49] Cann0n: http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/raelakoira/irssififo.jpg [21:50] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [21:50] raela, that is goddamn unreadable [21:50] hiptobecubic: Cann0n is on dialup.. had to be crap quality [21:50] raela, no i mean your setup [21:51] hiptobecubic: how so? [21:51] the transparency with the multicolored background. text aligned all over the place etc etc [21:51] not to mention, it gives me vertigo [21:51] i couldn't stand staring at that lol [21:51] nasofe (~nasofe@119.145.72.166) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:51] makes me think I'm about to vomit in my spacesuit [21:52] the background is dark enough that it doesn't bother me. text align doesn't matter to me since nicks are colored. doesn't give me any problems :P [21:52] I used to have another background that I liked better, but my dad bitched that I had it for over a year and it looked 'like death' :( too depressing I guess [21:52] lol [21:53] i like simple screenshot [21:53] anyway.. the point of it was to show what nicklist fifo is, not to show that I use transparency with crazy backgrounds [21:53] during the brief time I tried to learn to use transparent terminals, my background was deemed "offensive" at work (female anime characters wearing bikinis, what's the problem, they're (a) clothed and (b) damn cartoons) [21:53] My background :) http://john.bitsurge.net/public/Paper_Attack.jpg [21:54] hiptobecubic: I like that image [21:55] Urchlay, me too :) Wish i could say i drew it [21:55] (don't really use a background these days, unless you count the solid blue-purple color) [21:55] I like the swordsman's face [21:58] for those without dialup.. this is the one I finally changed due to my dad's complaints :P http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3494/newlaptophy1.png [21:58] that wallpaper is pretty awesome.. I'm jealous :P [21:58] that doesn't look like death [21:59] Well i'm off. Having a job sucks ass. [21:59] I don't recommend it [21:59] it does look way too busy to use for a background, if you're going to use transparent terminals [21:59] when they're dark enough, it's not a big deal. most of my terminals are on the left side, so it works out fine [21:59] later, hiptobecubic [21:59] especially the bit on the right, that actually looks like a bunch of text [22:00] night all [22:00] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [22:00] it is text. if anything, the next on the right makes it darker than the image [22:00] I don't really get it... no matter what you use for a background, don't you get sick of it after a couple days? [22:01] nope. I'm the sort of person who keeps one around for a year or more [22:01] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:01] Reticenti: Neat picture [22:01] http://i47.tinypic.com/28gs4dh.png [22:01] I'm the sort of person who figures, if I can see the part of the background, then that part of the screen is wasted space (so I make my app window(s) bigger) [22:01] also, I use firefox and pidgin which don't have transparency, so I'm not always staring at the terminal [22:02] gartt: which picture [22:02] "salix, the bonsai OS"? interesting... [22:02] it was green, but i only like green in my pipes [22:02] Reticenti: http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3494/newlaptophy1.png [22:03] gartt: that would be mine [22:03] i didnt post that gartt :\ [22:03] haha [22:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:03] s/r/ra [22:03] Sorry, got confused, b/c saw that last link. Meant http://john.bitsurge.net/public/Paper_Attack.jpg by hipto [22:03] for example, this is my other laptop while in use http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4779/feb2010h.jpg [22:04] raela: you see mine? [22:04] raela: if you wiggle the screen a bit, do the vertical lines go away? (or get worse?) [22:04] though I keep the buddy list on this one on the other side.. ehhh whatever. I only see 25-50% of the wallpaper with this one as well [22:05] Urchlay: nope. pressing up top doesn't do anything, either. some do change depending on the location of the mouse [22:05] personal or work laptop? [22:05] personal [22:05] Cann0n: and you never see it, right? :P [22:06] the dark depressing one? yeah lol [22:06] if I worked somewhere and they gave me a laptop that looked like that, I'd take it as a sign that either (a) they hate me & want me to quit, or (b) they're so broke, my paychecks are likely to bounce... [22:06] Cann0n: no, I mean you usually have your wallpaper covered up [22:06] but, eh, personally I might use a broken laptop like that until it completely falls apart, just because I really am that broke :( [22:06] no i dont. lol [22:07] i see it all the time [22:07] Urchlay: laptop is 5 years old.. I've been meaning to replace the screen, one day. I was going to do it a year and a half ago, but I was convinced to get a new one instead [22:07] Urchlay: turns out I like the old one better.. so I bring that one to campus every day with me and leave this one at home [22:09] makes a certain amount of sense... the one you carry around with you all the time is likely to get damaged, so why risk your brand new shiny one? [22:09] s/damaged/damaged and\/or stolen/ [22:09] nothing like that.. the new shiny one is a pain in the ass I call fickle bitch whereas the old one just works. I feel like the older one is the more reliable and easier to get going [22:10] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] raela: My little brother's laptop looked exactly like that [22:10] It got worse over time, and now we just use an external monitor which works fine. Good thing he got it for free (found it on the side of the road) [22:10] it's mostly fixed now, but for awhile, this one was a pain in the ass for getting everything set up when first booted.. had to remember which kernel used wireless, which wired, which modules needed loading, blah blah blah [22:11] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] gartt: last feb, it had about 3 lines.. now it has well over 100 plus the bar. new ones happen every day :P a new screen would only be $100, which I can afford, and I do have a monitor if it does crap out before I get off my lazy ass and order the screen [22:12] Sounds good [22:12] peacenik (cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [22:12] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:12] my "good" laptop is basically undead [22:12] Zombie? [22:12] the case is also cracked, which worries me a bit.. I think it's due to how I get it out of/put it back into the carrying case.. the crack is growing and I'm afraid the top will snap in half eventually [22:13] SMART has been reporting the hard drive as "imminent failure" for a couple years now, but it just keeps working... [22:14] sadly enough, I think I work the old laptop harder, even if this one does have better specs.. I make it work its poor elderly butt off doing lab work [22:15] one day I'll have to buy a new laptop to replace this one [22:15] raela: Is that how the screen became bad? Impact? [22:16] gartt: just age. it used to be a primarily desktop laptop as well [22:16] but I'm old. I remember the parents buying a brand new color TV in 1976 and using it for 20+ years (and I still have it, and it *still* works fine) [22:17] I'm pretty impressed with this 6-year old Toshiba. Best laptop I've ever used, nevermind owned.. [22:17] also things like the refrigerator and appliances in their house never broke when I was a kid... so I subconsciously expect things to last forever [22:17] I have a 94 dodge shadow that's still going strong (230k miles almost).. mom's 2004? or something hyudai sonata was heading downhill [22:18] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:18] my laptop's 7 years old, I don't really think of it as "old" though I guess in laptop-years it's an ancient withered crone [22:18] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Quit: [yop] [22:18] hm. More like 8 years now. [22:19] i have one about that old [22:20] latitude D600 [22:20] it wirks great with slack 13 and kde4 on it [22:20] *works [22:20] the old laptop's only problem is the screen.. I just need to be more mindful of the case. the hardware still seems to be fine, and though it might be slower than this one, it still tries its hardest.. not its fault I open 10-20 tabs, large excel files, and some pdfs and expect it to go [22:20] The whole D series latitude line is solid [22:20] I have a D600, two D620's and a D630 [22:21] I wouldn't say kde4 works great on this old thing, but then I don't use kde... so the few times I load it up, it's using the default settings (which AFAICT means all the useless animations/decorations/etc are enabled) [22:21] raela: I had a 528 BMW that I sold with 230k on it- same mileage as yours. Ran like a champ still [22:22] it's a sony vaio, amd mobile athlon xp, 1200MHz, 512M RAM. Slack 13 + windowmaker (my preferred environment) works great [22:22] the backlight is dying though :( [22:22] hi just updated (Slackware64 current) and am now gatting errors concerning shared libraries (firefox libpng14.so.14, slackpkg update libgmp.so.10) [22:22] gartt: mine runs well, though it has some problems.. leaking oil, some rust, etc. accidently knocked part of the muffler off (was rusted all through) and haven't replaced in since they wanted $360 or so [22:22] peacenik: there is a more recent update from today for that [22:22] I'm assuming there was an eror msg that I missed before [22:23] The only problem with mine was 20 years of harsh Vermont winters- heavy heavy road salt took it's toll, even though I kept it undercoated and waxed it a lot [22:23] peacenik: did you update to the latest of -current? [22:23] raela I just did that about 2 hrs ago [22:24] BP{k}: usual slackpjg update - I didn't change the mirror. Should I have? [22:24] peacenik: ls -la /var/log/packages/libpng* [22:25] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1498 Aug 20 2009 /var/log/packages/libpng-1.2.37-x86_64-1 [22:26] peacenik: uhm .. that should be libpng-1.4.1-x86_64-2.txz [22:27] peacenik: so either your mirror is severly out of date [what is your mirror?], or you missed the latest update as of today. [22:27] BP{k} how did that happen - i generally keep the updatescurrent [22:28] so I should download it and install it ? [22:28] peacenik: BP{k} secretly switched your mirrors. [22:28] XGizzmo: bah, that's supposed to be a secret. ;) [22:28] peacenik: what mirror do you use [22:28] but I won't be able to use slackpkg to install it [22:29] I'll check . . . [22:29] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:29] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.222.238) joined ##slackware. [22:30] dirty (jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [22:30] "We've secretly replaced the mirrors in this 5-star slackpkg installation with Folger's Crystals. Let's see if anyone notices...." [22:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:30] I use "http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/" [22:30] :) [22:31] ello BP{k} :) [22:31] Has the mirror not updated yet maybe? [22:31] peacenik: it has. [22:31] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:32] Nick change: dirty -> vastina [22:32] heh. .howdy vastina :) [22:32] I did slackpkg install-new then slackpkg upgrade-all [22:32] peacenik: update your local mirror and update again :) [22:32] BP{k}: thought i'd make it a little easier :) [22:32] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:32] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [22:32] vastina: quite :) [22:32] local mirror? [22:32] peacenik: or update slackpkg again and go through the steps. [22:33] you mean slackpkg update? [22:33] somehow I seem to asume anyone running -current, running a local mirror isntead of downloading straight of a net mirror. [22:33] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:33] I get an eror msg now when I do slackpkg update [22:33] BP{k}: what's on the beer list tonight guv? got me a little american IPA by bridgeport [22:33] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:34] vastina: actually no beer tonight ,but a rather nice south african shiraz/cabernet sauvignon :) [22:34] ooh shiraz [22:34] error loading shared libraries (libgmp.so.10) [22:35] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:35] (speaking of IPA -- anyone have a hercules double IPA ?) [22:35] ah, sounds delicious enough, the south african sorts seem to be one of the better of their hemisphere [22:35] trhodes: yessir [22:35] nice, one of my favs [22:35] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.43.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:35] great divide brewing company [22:35] yes, used to be just a state away from me [22:36] brian dunn makes some decent brews, but i do find his beers to be a little too heavy on the hop side without a good malt profile [22:36] iow unbalanced [22:36] (now it's not to be had :( ) [22:36] i'm a hop head :) [22:36] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:36] vastina: actually I believe some australian wines to be slightly better :) [22:36] haha then you'd enjoy what i'm taking down at the moment; hop czar via bridgeport [22:36] no I use a net mirror, I installed with local, but that's old now [22:37] ooh nice, i'll hafta keep that in mind :) [22:37] BP{k}: it's a tug n pull, they tend to go back and forth, cape down does have a good lot [22:37] peacenik: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libgmp-and-libpng-in-latest-current-upgrades-792497/ [22:37] s/down/town/g [22:38] I have ver libpng-1.2.37-x86_64-1 what ver did you say was now current? And could I maybe download it and install with installpkg ? [22:39] BP{k}: will check link [22:39] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:39] libpng-1.4.1_x86_64-2 iirc [22:40] vastina: trust me coupled with a couple of martinis pre-dinner ..you won't tell the difference ;) [22:40] does anyone know of or have an example of a package-building script such as bp mentioned here: "wget -O- http://connie.slackware.com/~mozes/docs/FOSDEM_SLACK.txt 2>/dev/null | less -p '2.5\ \ Overview'" [22:40] or like on pg 28 of here: http://www.ln-s.net/592o (google docs of http://connie.slackware.com/~mozes/docs/slackware_pkg_presentation.pdf) (stuart winter's fosdem presentation) [22:40] BP{k}: haha i reckon :D [22:41] BP{k}: seems promising, thanks - will try and then get back to let you know [22:41] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:42] win 4 [22:42] trhodes: hmm you mean something like "http://slackbuilds.org/templates/" [22:42] great, now everyone knows which client i use [22:42] :p [22:42] fail 4! [22:42] Action: vastina falied [22:42] Action: vastina failed as well [22:43] I saw a huge burst in the changelog on reddit, I'm excited for the latest changes, hopefully radeon getes better. [22:43] I assume the usual suspects all already run it... [22:43] eviljames: you and me both per radeon [22:43] sorry, we can't neither confirm nor deny that information. [22:43] BP{k}: no, i have that already -- I was wondering how you could make a package out of an old .build style script for building and then packaging unruly software on a VM [22:44] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.150.190) joined ##slackware. [22:44] trhodes: well I believe that is exactly what slacktrack does. [22:44] oh :P thanks [22:45] christ the more i sip of this bitter ipa, the better it tastes albeit her lack of palatable malt profile [22:45] :) [22:46] vastina: that goes for most booze ;) [22:46] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:46] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] trhodes: slacktrack tracks the installation of a 'make install' (or similar) and produces a Slackware compliant .tgz package from the results.It can be used to build packages from Slackware's '.build' scripts or your own, slacktrack tracks installations directly on the host's filesystem [22:46] :) true [22:47] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:47] oh nice, that's exactly what I wanted. Thanks ! [22:47] wondering why even after rebuilding giblib, i get giblib errors using scrot [22:47] on current [22:47] trhodes: haha, it claims to be the new king of ipa, though i'm unconvinced, i'll leave that title to o'dell for now [22:47] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:47] Action: vastina <3's living in Colorado [22:48] oh, well actually, it'd be a crappy proprietary interactive install script, but I'll look at it more closely -- it sounds promising [22:48] vastina: you're lucky :) [22:48] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:48] Action: vastina agrees so [22:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:49] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [22:49] some day i'll return to England... *observes poor press* someday [22:49] bahahah dead battery :P [22:49] yay! I got my system back to just broken, instead of really broken [22:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [22:49] tomorrow I'll switch tot he generic kernel and initrd [22:49] BP{k}: slackpkg update worked and now upgrade-all is going - *seems* good so far . . . [22:50] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:50] PVFarm (~frank@ip98-183-186-75.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] peacenik: yeah, this was a messy one, huh [22:51] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] nah. [22:51] Action: vastina needs to do something on slackware... [22:51] Action: vastina reads the acpi some more [22:51] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:51] BP{k}: I got burned by old multilibs and thenagain by the intel driver [22:52] maddslacker: it's a test. ;) [22:52] hehe, and maddslacker failed it [22:52] actually, maddslacker passed it by leaving his mythtv/file/proxy/torrent server on 13 and not tempting fate [22:53] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:53] maddslacker: hehe, my desktop is for now on 13.0, my laptop will upgrade to -current as soon as I finish syncing [22:54] yeah, my lappy is always -current cuz I gotta have the shiny new toys [22:54] but the server needs to just run [22:54] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:54] if the wife and kids can't get tot he videos, I'll be drawn and quartered [22:55] BP{k}: ++ exactly. [22:55] MrJacks0n (~MrJackson@173-86-31-21.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:56] it was awesome, cable doesn't get hooked up in the new house til tomorrow, so last night we were streaming full stream video from hulu desktop with is [22:56] *full screen [22:56] BP{k}: perfect, I didn't know that's what slacktrack did :) [22:56] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:56] between that and tv show torrents, I'm starting to wonder if i even need cable at all [22:57] s/wonder/doubt/ [22:57] BP{k}: i assumed it was yet another LD_PRELOAD packager [22:57] eviljames: exactly [22:57] maddslacker: upgrade your internet pipe, set up media centre pc. so long cableco... unless you're the best isp in town, in which case I'm glad you've decided to embrace this arrangement. [22:58] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:58] eviljames, are you English as well? [22:58] canuck [22:59] okay [22:59] maddslacker: I have found the only reason to keep a cable connection. [22:59] maddslacker: Hockey games. [23:01] yeah [23:01] i watched the olympic ones online, it wasn't too bad [23:01] but the hi ef is way better of course [23:01] and the nhl wants $20/person for streaming access. [23:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:02] SgtNezzie (~Mo@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:04] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:04] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:05] yeah screw that [23:05] BP{k}: mate, you know of any usb hubs that support power switching? right now i'm working with a dlink dub7 [23:05] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:06] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [23:07] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:07] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Quit: Going drinking [23:07] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.97.232) joined ##slackware. [23:13] vastina: can't say I know, sorry. [23:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:15] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:15] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] oh well [23:16] Action: vastina is alone in the acpi of usb :) [23:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:17] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [23:17] manwichmakeameal (~acoleman@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. 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[23:34] hi. after I upgraded the slack nvidia returns "unable to determine the version of the kernel sources in '/lib/modules/2.6.33/source', but the kernel was upgraded ok.. [23:35] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] ok, ##c is a horrible channel [23:35] powtrix_: theres a patch for the drivers on LQ [23:35] for this upgrade? [23:35] yes [23:35] well linkyng it [23:36] 21:33 < hypnosis> is t a function? [23:36] 21:33 < jarrod> t is a pointer to a constant string? [23:36] 21:33 < BryanWB> hypnosis, just a variable , "bar" is a constant string [23:36] :) [23:36] if youre using multilib, you might also have to recompile the kernel, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/nvidia-and-kernel-2.6.33-792515/page3.html [23:36] soz, night all [23:37] err sorry, the page previous to that one has the patch [23:37] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:38] this patch.txt - where is it? [23:39] phoenix^ (~phoenix^@173-17-138-125.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:39] phoenix^ (~phoenix^@173-17-138-125.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Changing host [23:39] phoenix^ (~phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:39] powtrix_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3883110#post3883110 [23:40] anyoen know why udev wouldn't create things like /dev/random or /dev/tty0 ? [23:41] damn my login needed [23:41] i cant logon by auth issues [23:42] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:42] im sure google can find that same file somewhere else powtrix_ [23:43] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:46] thank you botnet [23:47] good evening guys [23:48] is anyone using slackware-current and having updates after the latest updates were applied? [23:48] i'm getting /dev/dsp Device or resource busy - how can i figure out what is using it and get it to release the file ? [23:48] fhobia: lsof [23:48] lsof | grep dsp doesn't return anything though, so am i missing some flag ? [23:49] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [23:49] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: 11 [23:49] heh, man lsof I dno't remember them all [23:49] ok [23:50] matu_ (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [23:50] ah, i had to look for "snd" instead of "dsp" [23:51] thanks eviljames, i killed the process and am back to rocking out [23:51] 8) [23:51] no worries [23:52] ...somehow scim was using /dev/snd/... hmm...never heard that program make any sound though :-P [23:53] scim? isn't that for multilingual input or something? [23:53] no one is running an updated installation of slackware64-current? [23:53] yeah, eviljames, hehe [23:53] mfillpot: i'm syncing right now, and going to install immediately afterward [23:54] fhobia: seems odd that it would be glomming onto your sound system. [23:54] eviljames: how do you do your updates using slackpkg or manual? [23:54] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:54] eviljames: yeah, it only happens once in a blue moon though...but i usually just restarted my system to fix the problem...but not this time ;] [23:55] mfillpot: 'rsync -azPv --delete --exclude="source/" [yourfavoritemirror]/slackware64-current . && cd slackware64-current/slackware64 && upgradepkg --install-new **/*t?z' [23:55] mfillpot: Something along those lines, usually reading the changelog first paying particular attention to removed packages. [23:56] mfillpot: then I check out what's in extra/. then 'find /etc -iname *.new' or so and see what's happened in there.. [23:56] eviljames: good luck, running rsync killed the process mid run because of a missing slackpkg dependency and a fresh install is yielding a kernel panic on my box [23:57] mfillpot: ouch. did you run lilo before rebooting? [23:57] eviljames: luckily I have both stable and current installed and I am setting up a VM based in stable to test it on vm hardware now [23:57] eviljames: I use grub instead, it boots from the old kernel, but not using 2.6.33 [23:57] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:58] why grub? another distro/os installed? [23:59] eviljames: grub is in /extra for slackware-13.0 x86 [23:59] yeah, but why bother if you can just use lilo? [00:00] --- Wed Mar 3 2010