[00:00] 1009 fps [00:00] 1012! [00:00] oh well, anyways [00:00] wow! [00:00] LXDE is nice [00:00] my friend gets over 5000. [00:00] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:01] lighter than xfce? [00:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [00:01] think so [00:01] I prefer wm's like fluxbox, blckbox, ratpoison, uwm [00:01] checking [00:01] uwm and ratpoison are freaking nice [00:01] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.10.87) joined ##slackware. [00:02] hum.... I might just make a Slackware LXDE package for Slackbuild [00:02] well a script [00:02] be careful! [00:02] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:02] make sure it doesnt overwrite stuff like gnome does [00:03] well aware [00:03] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:03] synaptics driver doesnt comes with slackware? [00:03] yes it does [00:04] it does [00:04] I never figured out how to work it [00:04] but my Xorg log tell that couldn't open module synaptics [00:05] the thing thats nice about ratpoison is that everything is done with hotkey bindings [00:05] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151095223.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [00:06] no mouse needed :) [00:07] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] locate synaptics | grep modules, no give results [00:09] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] and here /usr/X11/lib/modules/input/ nothing about synaptic [00:09] bb [00:09] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [00:09] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] ovnicraft: did you try "man synaptics" and reading a bit about it? [00:10] LXDE - http://saxenos.com/lxde/ [00:10] firebird619, i dont get it [00:11] ovnicraft: get what? running "man synaptics" in a terminal to read about it? [00:11] no man pages for synaptics [00:12] ovnicraft: run "ls /var/log/packages | grep synaptics". [00:12] quit [00:12] nik: it's "/quit" [00:12] wegwerg [00:12] i was playing libcaca ;) [00:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [00:13] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: "OOH" [00:13] RJz0r (n=taterz@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] firebird619, i know that i dont have install it synaptics [00:14] and i want to know when i didnt install it [00:14] in my 12.1 [00:15] i search it in packages.slackware.it for 12.1 no give results [00:15] ovnicraft: synaptics is in Slackware. I'm on 12.2 and it is already installed on mine. Try "slackpkg search synaptics". [00:16] Mine is: [ installed ] - xf86-input-synaptics-0.15.2-i486-1 [00:17] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [00:18] yes, if I search in current give me that result but when i select 12.1 not [00:19] ovnicraft: Why are you searching in current? What do you mean select 12.1? You ran "slackpkg search synaptics" from a terminal, right? [00:19] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] firebird619, is not the same thing seach in the site pkgs or slackpkg? [00:22] no, two separate things. Open a terminal, use "su" to get root privilages, then type "slackpkg search synaptics" then press enter and see what it shows there. [00:22] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-151-255-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:25] night all:) [00:25] night hitest [00:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" [00:26] firebird619, i know how to do it, so i guess the site and slackpkg has the same info about pkgs [00:26] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:28] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [00:28] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.89.142) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:28] josefig (n=williams@172.190.24.101) joined ##slackware. [00:28] sopas (n=souphead@120.28.134.205) joined ##slackware. [00:28] now i have this error (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device [00:29] ovnicraft: so you have synaptics installed now? [00:29] [ArchSlaxBSDraco (n=Draco@121.70.235.26) joined ##slackware. [00:29] pair0doc (n=user@66-227-200-190.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:29] yes, and give that error [00:30] I'm not sure about that error, you could probably run "man synaptics" now and read about it and maybe someone else here will come along and be able to help more. [00:31] ovnicraft: Do you have anything to do with synaptics in xorg.conf? [00:33] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-151-101-9.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [00:34] http://pastebin.ca/1410106 [00:34] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [00:35] ovnicraft: try "ls /dev/ | grep psaux" what do you get? [00:36] yes i have /dev/psaux [00:37] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [00:38] when i was setting up my touch pad i remembered i had to edit some module options for the mouse in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse [00:38] looking at "man synaptics" your Device should be something like /dev/input/eventX, where X is some integer. psaux is a protocl from Linux 2.4 series kernel. [00:39] Hi tank-man, how's it going? [00:39] I am fine [00:39] ovnicraft: try "ls /dev/input/event*" what do you have? [00:40] event0...event8 [00:40] tank-man: I don't even have a laptop, yet, probably getting one next week though for really cheap from someone, has a broken screen, but I can get a new screen. Do you know anything about getting either a Matte or Glossy screen? [00:41] sakuramboo (n=sakuramb@ool-43504efe.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [00:41] nope [00:41] ovnicraft: Hmm, ok, then somehow you'll have to track down which one of them is your touch pad. [00:41] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [00:41] I think there's some command to use to do that, lsof maybe, not sure though. [00:41] ok, and what about /dev/input/event* and /dev/input/mouse*? [00:42] ovnicraft: It could be that your touchpad is /dev/input/mouse. Do you have another mouse connected right now? [00:43] nop, but in /dev/input/ i have mouse0 and mouse1, also event0...event8 :| [00:43] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:44] cat /proc/bus/input/devices [00:44] he left. [00:44] that will tell you what it is i think [00:44] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [00:44] he's back. :P [00:44] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:44] ovnicraft: 2339 tank-man> cat /proc/bus/input/devices [00:44] ovnicraft: try that ^^ [00:45] hi people, just trying to compile the 2.6.29 kernel on slacware 12.0 [00:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:45] a quick question... [00:45] i extracted the source in /usr/src [00:45] firebird619, H: Handlers=mouse1 event6 [00:45] made to linux soft link [00:45] that's my touchpad? [00:46] using my old .config file so thats cook [00:46] *cool [00:46] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) joined ##slackware. [00:46] now i need to run make [00:46] shoud it be done as a user or as a root [00:46] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) joined ##slackware. [00:46] ovnicraft: possibly, try putting that in xorg.conf instead of /dev/psaux and restart and see what happens. Worse case is it will give you the same error message or something. [00:47] zoran119: root via "su" [00:47] firebird619: thanks [00:47] yw [00:47] firebird619, my output with cat in proc http://pastebin.ca/1410113 [00:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:48] ovnicraft: I would guess it'd be /dev/input/event6 then, so put that in xorg.conf and give it a try. [00:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [00:49] ovnicraft: I would guess it'd be /dev/input/event6 then, so put that in xorg.conf and give it a try. [00:49] in replacement of where you have /dev/psaux [00:49] it is asking me about rcu implementation... classic or tree based... what should i pick [00:49] i think it is mouse1 [00:50] event6 might be a link to mouse1 [00:50] tank-man: that's possible, he could try one and then the other. [00:50] /dev/input/mouse1 not works [00:50] type "cat /dev/input/mouse1" and touch the mouse pad and see if there is output [00:51] zoran119: the safe thing is to just press enter for those to accept their defaults, also here is a good guide for building a kernel: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding&s%5B%5D=kernel&s%5B%5D=compile [00:51] firebird619: ah ok... these are the new things that aren't in .config... [00:52] tank-man, cat works with mouse1 and event6, so with diferent outputs [00:52] zoran119: yes, those are new things, safe thing is to accept their defaults if you don't know what they are. [00:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:53] paissad (n=paissad@106.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:53] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [00:53] ovnicraft: Did you get output with both mouse1 and event6? [00:53] firebird619: that's cool... but it is asking me about the processor family... it reckons i have Pentium-Pro (M686) as it has it selected by default, but i have an athlon64 [00:53] firebird619, yes [00:54] Also ovnicraft, are you having connection issues or do you purposely keep quitting and coming back? [00:54] ovnicraft: What was the output? [00:54] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "leaving" [00:54] output would be gibberish to us i think [00:54] diferent ascii [00:54] oh no... i have sempron... [00:55] tank-man, yes [00:55] zoran119: Hmm, I'm not familiar with that processor, You can press enter and get a list of other processors when you are in the "make menuconfig" step and select the processor that's right for you. [00:55] zoran119: However, I'm not sure if it will have one for you, keep in mind slackware is a 32 bit distro, not 64 bit. [00:56] [ArchSlaxBSDraco (n=Draco@121.70.235.26) left irc: "{{„p†, c‚{{„e" [00:56] ovnicraft: did you try one of those two in xorg.conf and logout and back into X and see if that works? [00:57] i tried both and restart X with ctrl+alt+backspace [00:57] tank-man: Would lsof /dev/input/device here/ help at all? [00:57] help do what? whats the problem? [00:58] tank-man: oops, sorry, I meant with ovnicraft's problem, would it help figure out which device to use. [00:58] from the above, i think it is /dev/input/mouse1 [00:58] ovnicraft: Well, then it's possible it is neither one of them and could be something else in /dev/input. [00:59] tank-man: Yeah, but he says he tried that and no luck. Would he need to do a full restart? [00:59] ovnicraft, what laptop is this? [00:59] hp dv2000 [01:00] ovnicraft: do "ls /dev/input/event6" and then "ls /dev/input/mouse1" and see if there's a symlink between them. [01:00] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:00] no [01:01] no symlink? [01:01] Oops, I said that wrong, sorry, it should be ls -l [01:01] could you try that again with -l ovnicraft [01:02] no, and i have /dev/input/mice that with cat /dev/input/mice gives output [01:02] firebird619, i did [01:02] You could try /dev/input/mice then. So, you used the -l option with the ls commands above? [01:03] ls -l /dev/input, no symlinks [01:03] not ls -l /dev/input, please read what I put above. [01:03] 2355 firebird619> ovnicraft: do "ls /dev/input/event6" and then "ls /dev/input/mouse1" and see if there's a symlink between them. [01:04] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:04] firebird619, i know how see simlinks [01:05] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.17) joined ##slackware. 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[01:10] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:11] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [01:13] :P [01:15] ovnicraft: to my knowledge, slackboy is a bot (i.e. not a person) and it is in the ##slackware guidelines that it is prohibited to change your nick, etc. to reflect your status (i.e. away, afk, so on). [01:15] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:15] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Leaving" [01:15] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:16] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:16] ovnicraft: anyway, did you try /dev/input/mice? [01:16] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] yes and not work :( [01:19] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-247-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:20] ovnicraft: Hmm, I guess you could try some of the other event# things, but like tank-man, I would think it'd be /dev/input/mouse1. Do you have other entries in /dev/input/mouse#? Maybe try those. [01:22] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [01:22] i tried with mouse0, not work [01:22] ovnicraft: is that the only other mouse# you have? [01:22] yes [01:23] ovnicraft: Did you try /dev/input/mouse1 and do a complete restart, not just logout and in? [01:23] nop [01:23] give that a try. [01:23] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:23] ok :| [01:24] have you tried looking at /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse ? and commenting out the line in that file? [01:24] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [01:24] PELO (n=PELO@189.114.202.86.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:24] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] do i need a new initrd for the new version of kernel? [01:26] "PS/2 Generic Mouse" [01:26] d4vidc (n=d@dynamic-66-243-245-170.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] ovnicraft, thats what your touchpad is showing up as, try commenting out the option in the /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse [01:28] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left ##slackware. [01:28] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:28] done [01:30] PELO (n=PELO@189.114.202.86.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [01:30] olefowdie (n=quassel@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] olefowdie (n=quassel@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:31] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:32] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] olefowdie (n=quassel@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:33] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] mine works using /dev/psaux,protocol auto,driver synaptics,identifier Synaptics Mouse,SHMConfig true. with appropriate quotes. and the file /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse commented as mentioned above [01:34] which rworkman's pkg tells you iirc [01:35] pair0doc (n=user@66-227-200-190.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:36] Rat409: he tried /dev/psaux, it didn't work. [01:36] olefowdie (n=quassel@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:37] ohh [01:38] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [01:38] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:40] heh, I found a spelling error in synaptics man page. [01:43] ovnicraft: any luck? [01:44] no :( [01:44] ovnicraft: I was reading on synaptics web site that If it is identified as a "PS/2 Generic [01:44] Mouse" or "PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad", something is wrong. [01:44] jiraia (n=ricardob@201.88.40.234) joined ##slackware. [01:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] ovnicraft: are you still getting an error from xorg about it? [01:46] ovnicraft: Could you paste your entire xorg.conf for me please? [01:46] pastebin I mean [01:46] error : (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device [01:47] ok, could you pastebin your entire xorg.conf? [01:47] http://pastebin.ca/1410134 [01:47] ovnicraft: Also, has this touchpad worked before? [01:48] yes [01:48] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.148.225) joined ##slackware. [01:48] so, the prob is with scrolls [01:48] jiraia (n=ricardob@201.88.40.234) left irc: Client Quit [01:48] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [01:49] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:50] ovnicraft: Did you see in xorg that there is already a section for a Touchpad, aside from what you put in there? Did you try that first. Also, you need in xorg.conf under the Modules Section Load "synaptics" [01:50] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:183) joined ##slackware. [01:50] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:183) left irc: Client Quit [01:51] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [01:51] hi guys:) [01:51] Hi Lexus1. [01:51] i added Load synaptics in module section, that will solve my issue? [01:52] ovnicraft: Possibly, try logging out and in and see, well, maybe try a full restart. [01:52] ovnicraft: So you added Load "synaptics" note the quotes there, you need them. [01:53] yes [01:53] ok, try restarting then and see what happens. [01:53] in "ServerLayout", InputDevice "Synaptics Mouse" "CorePointer" ? [01:54] Rat409: possibly, let's see if it works for him after a restart though. [01:54] k [01:54] Rat409: you have a laptop using the touchpad? [01:55] yes,hp pavilion dv6636nr [01:55] Rat409: mind pastebining your xorg.conf for comparison? [01:55] sure 1 sec [01:56] k, thanks. [01:56] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:56] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie. [01:56] hidee ho all [01:56] How are you Old_Fogie? [01:56] firebird619, good n you? [01:57] doing great, thank you. [01:57] Old_Fogie: you know much about laptop screens? Matte vs. Glossy? [01:57] firebird619, not more then most people :) [01:57] http://pastebin.ca/1410136 [01:58] Thanks Rat409 [01:58] sure [01:59] Old_Fogie: Ok, I'll probably be getting a laptop (first one) next week, but it has a broken screen, so of course I need a new screen, I've been looking around and there's matte and glossy. To me, matte would be better because it's anti-glare, etc. [01:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [01:59] I guess I was curious if there's a picture quality advantage of one or the other/ [02:01] firebird619, my netbooks have a glossy screen. I do find that glare, even your own reflection in them can really be an issue at time. depends on where the light is, etc. but from years of using matte, I noticed, that you got a very washed out, almost unseeable at times screen if the light was intense. [02:01] washed out with matte? [02:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:01] hmm, very 'dull' looking [02:01] ? sound better [02:02] I'd take the glossy over matte if your working out doors more, they seem to combat the sun more. [02:02] I always remember when I've been in stores looking, the glossy looks much brighter/crisper. [02:03] then again, could be my matte laptops are just older, and things have gotten better since then [02:03] Old_Fogie: yeah, I just don't know, I've never had a laptop before. [02:03] the glossy seems better if I'm out on the deck using it then my matte laptops do [02:04] I'd say, ask the store clerk to bring the demo laptop out side and show you. Show them the cash and ask I say, ask a manger [02:04] move the screen around in the store etc [02:04] you will find tho, in typical room lighting, the glossy shows your face in the screen alot tho :) [02:04] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [02:04] like a mirror [02:05] This laptop would be from private party, the closes store that has laptops, etc. is 100 miles round trip. [02:05] s/closes/clostest [02:05] If I build a 64-bit compiler, will it still build 32-bit apps? Would it just be a matter of specifying which binary form I want? [02:05] firebird619, nothing :( [02:05] Guest4068 (n=sidmario@201-43-54-214.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [02:06] ovnicraft: Ok, I got Rat409's xorg.conf, give me a sec, I'm makeing some changes to your xorg to try. get your current xorg.conf backed up so you don't lose it. [02:07] ovnicraft: just to confirm, right now, your touchpad is working, only the scroll isn't? [02:07] firebird619, ok thanks [02:08] ovnicraft: Is your touchpad working and scrolling isn't? Which scroll direction isn't working if that's the case? [02:08] vertical is not working [02:09] but touchpad is working fine otherwise? [02:09] yes [02:09] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] Hmm, It's weird however that you get that error though, so there's something more to this than just scrolling. [02:10] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Old_Fogie: Any thoughts about this error: 0041 ovnicraft> error : (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device [02:10] yet his touchpad works, but vert scroll doesn't. [02:10] Ok, ovnicraft, I'll be right back. [02:10] he's probably using the generic xf86, and not the synaptics driver from SBo? [02:11] or didn't config it correctly per the README at SBo. [02:11] firebird, what does dmesg|grep Syn say? [02:11] dmesg|grep Syn [02:11] Old_Fogie: Ahh, sure that's it, his synaptics is xf86, did you see that ovnicraft? [02:11] Old_Fogie: didn't even give that a thought, thanks. [02:11] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:12] ok, brb. [02:12] redtricycle: It's ovnicraft having the issue. [02:12] ah [02:12] just joined :) [02:12] hi [02:12] + [02:13] yes my synaptic is xf86 [02:14] ding ding [02:14] Old_Fogie scores again :) [02:14] :) [02:16] Good job Old_Fogie. [02:16] ovnicraft: Sorry, I didn't think of xf86 vs. the one on SBo. My apologies. [02:16] I'm not just a hat rack ya know :) [02:16] haha [02:17] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.182) left irc: "nite" [02:18] so i have -5 GMT i am going to sleep, thanks firebird619, talk later :) [02:19] ovnicraft: yw, good night. [02:20] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left irc: Success [02:23] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:23] well i'm yawning up a storm. night all be well. [02:23] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:24] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.9) joined ##slackware. [02:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:26] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [02:28] Hmm, if I install slackware on the laptop if I get it, I'll have to keep SBo's synaptics in mind. :) [02:29] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [02:29] firebird619, if you're the only one using it, you might want to check out 'gsynaptics', it's not secure on a mulituser setup, but it's a nice app. [02:30] Old_Fogie: Ok, thanks. Yeah, I'd be the only user. I'm exited about it, I plan on getting it. built-in wireless, etc. :) [02:30] "boys n there toys" :) [02:31] :) Yup. I've never had a laptop before, so this is exciting. :) [02:31] souphead (n=souphead@120.28.181.96) joined ##slackware. [02:31] firebird619, just be sure you make sure that you read online/on your pc there and be sure it's really supported by linux, no questions in your mind at all. [02:32] Old_Fogie: How many laptops do you have? [02:32] Old_Fogie: Yes, I will. Thanks. I might leave windows on it for a while, I'm really not sure. [02:33] firebird619, xp? if so .. I dunno, if it's even remotely possible you're gonna put linux on it, I'd hold off and really research it. [02:34] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] yeah, xp. I'll do some searching on google, etc. and see what I see about linux compatibility. [02:37] Old_Fogie: With it, is it possible to boot to a linux live cd with it too and see what works and what doesn't, at least get an idea? [02:38] firebird619, if the guy you're buying from will let you, yea that's truly the best thing to do. I'd probablly bring a knoppix, a slax, and a puppy with me. Out of all 3 of them you should be able to see what does/nt work. [02:38] sopas (n=souphead@120.28.134.205) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] I'd really recommend running 'lspci' on it, and see which video card you got as one of the first things you do when you get in there. make sure it's some video driver that get's dri, otherwise, even a casual webpage with flash is gonna be miserable for you. [02:40] Yeah, good idea. tbh, I plan on getting it regardless, I wouldn't be against using windows on it, it is about 4 years old and really, I mean really, dirt cheap. [02:41] Hmm, there's a wiki on Ubuntu about they tested in this specific laptop, back with Edgy though, would support have gotten better, worse, or stayed the same do you think? [02:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:41] support better? sure cuz ubunut is unstable as it is, across releases. I wouldn't base my purchase decision on what ubunut people claim to be honest with you. [02:43] Old_Fogie: No, I know, I wouldn't base anything on Ubuntu, but just wondering if since Edgy, when it was test, if there would be more linux support for it than there was then, like things working that didn't work then. [02:43] s/test/tested [02:43] how would I know ? [02:43] I havent' read what you read, know what did/didnt' ;) [02:44] :) true. Looks like most of the key things, modem working, pc card working, etc. weren't even tested. [02:46] right now, I'm going to the different linux forums and entering that model laptop and seeing what comes up. [02:47] firebird619, yea I mean, ubunut doesn't really care two bits if hardware or software, works from one release to next. All they care to do is implement newest software possible and achieve their release data. If hardware, or some program doesntt work the motto is "well, hopfelly this can work in the next version, til' then the user will have to stay with prior release" [02:48] s/release date [02:48] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:48] yeah, that's certainly not the way to run a distro imo. [02:49] I prefer like slackware, debian, etc. where there isn't a set date that "Oh, we have to release by such and such date" it's just ready when it's ready. [02:50] all I can say is, I have boxes that run debian, but can never run ubunut for whichever reason. I've yet to have one box ever run ubunut longer than a month , if I did get it installed at all. [02:50] hey, i just compiled 2.6.29 kernel and copied /usr/scr/.../bzImage to /boot/bzImage-2.6.29 [02:50] i added an entry into lilo.conf for this new kernel [02:50] I dont even bother with it, I have a vm of it for looking what they do on their gnome builds, but not native, and wont ever be. When you get into looking at their patches, you see why the distro is just a mess [02:51] but when i boot into it i noticed a line that said 'running rc.modules' which points to rc.modules-2.6.21-5 (my old kernel) [02:52] how do i get it to load the new modules? [02:52] Old_Fogie: yeah, I have it in a vm as well, just for curioustly of what they've done next. I used Ubuntu when I was on dial-up Internet because they sent free cd's, and as you know, download 6-700 MB iso is not fun on dialup. [02:52] zoran119: it is loading the new modules [02:52] zoran119, if you read the rc.modules script, you will see it uses "uname" in the command..to accomodate for what you just did, build install a new kernel, and not create a custom file for yourself. so Mr. V built in error protection for your mistake :) [02:52] rc.modules-2.6.21-5 is just the name of the script but it loads the modules for the currently executed kernel [02:53] antiwire: ok... that makes sense [02:53] you can create your own custom rc.modules.local though [02:53] zoran119, but as time goes by, module names can change, so bear that in mind [02:53] Old_Fogie: can u explain a bit more [02:54] read rc.S "Priority is given first to a script named "rc.modules.local", then to "rc.modules-$FULL_KERNEL_VERSION", and finally to the plain "rc.modules"." [02:54] I could write an *epistle* but how would I know if it's targeting your questions :D What don't you understand? [02:55] Old_Fogie: Looks like Fedora 7, yes older, has been successfully installed on this laptop. [02:55] rc.S around line 266 [02:56] firebird619, there's a linux laptop site, cant recall the name [02:56] Old_Fogie: Ok, I'm searching google, so I'll probably come across it. Thanks for all your input/opinions. [02:56] firebird619, think ubunutquestions.org has a link there (heh, linuxquestions.org <--ubu fan bois' site I meant [02:57] antiwire: so do people make a copy of rc.modules-2.6.21-5 and name it with the new kernel version an symlink it to rc.modules for consistency... or is it cool to leave it like it is [02:57] you can leave it, change it, or customize rc.modules.local [02:57] whatever [02:58] Old_Fogie: there's a tuxmobile.org and linlap.com [02:58] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-82-133.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:58] yea the tux one I was thinking of [02:58] firebird619, also lq has a hardware compat site too iirc [02:59] Ok, the laptop model isn't listed on tuxmobile.org [02:59] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.9) left irc: "Leaving" [02:59] hi )à [02:59] (still really sleepy ;) ) [02:59] firebird619, if the linuxfoundation really had a half a brain in it's head it would start it's own. then again, they starting the printing one, and that has so many falicies on it, not sure if that's even worth them doing since they bothched it up [03:00] zoran119: to be the least invasive as possible it would probably be best to copy rc.modules-$FULL_KERNEL_VERSION to rc.modules.local and make changes to rc.modules.local [03:00] zoran119: that will keep the stock files in place and untouched [03:00] Old_Fogie: there's also a linux-laptop.net [03:02] antiwire: that's the thing... i'm now running 2.6.29 and there is no rc.modules-2.6.29... only rc.modules-2.6.21-5 [03:02] doesn't matter [03:02] antiwire: so i copied that to rc.2.6.29 [03:02] antiwire: and symlinked it to rc.modules [03:02] well, that's one way to go about it [03:03] antiwire: if i do some changes i will then move it to rc.modules.local [03:03] antiwire: that should be ok, yeah? [03:03] should be fine [03:03] antiwire: ok... more questions [03:04] antiwire: uname -a says 2.6.29... so it all worked? i was a bit too easy... [03:05] antiwire: *it was a bit too easy [03:05] that uname would've worked had you done nothing. [03:05] again, the slack scripts already acommodate the rc.modules issue [03:05] uname will report the information from the currently running kernel. if you installed the new kernel and did make modules_install, you're on the right track [03:06] you're really only having 'chicken little syndrome' at this time [03:06] I dont mean that nastily either [03:06] 'chicken little syndrome'? [03:06] zomg rc.modules..."the sky is falling" [03:07] zoran119: even without changing any of the rc.modules* scripts, at all, the system would worked fine [03:07] work* [03:07] you'd have been fine as is, but some day...you may have an issue if no rc.modules for *that* kernel cuz linus may change something [03:07] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] oh i get that... rc.modules is ok... the whole 'am i running my new kernel now?' [03:07] i'm sure i am [03:07] zoran119: are modules loading? [03:08] what does lsmod show you? [03:08] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] but because i don't know much about the kernel i cannot tell whats so different between this one and the old one [03:08] zoran119: so then the question just begs to be asked...why did you do it?!?!?! ;) [03:09] for the SCTP exploit? [03:09] zoran119, believe me, if you tried to load the *stock* kernel modules onto your new kernel, you would have a ton of error's spammed on booting, and have a "fail-train". [03:10] antiwire: i knew someone would ask... wanted to see how to do it using the old .config and next time start digging a bit around to optimise the kernel a bit more [03:10] zoran119: did you use make oldconfig? [03:10] oh he's the one that ask about sctp? all this for that? one word, firewall. [03:10] Old_Fogie: no "fail-train" so its all good [03:11] zoran119: put it this way, if you had a module <-> kernel version mismatch you'd know it almost immediately [03:12] antiwire: no oldconfig... copied the .config and ran make menuconfig [03:12] that's not good [03:12] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:12] zoran119, read alien bob's wiki on building kernels. [03:12] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:13] zoran119, and fwiw, slackware --current has the 2.6.29 series kernel. you can simply download that kernel config, and build using that. [03:13] zoran119: I gave you alien bob's link earlier. [03:15] zoran119: after you copy the old .config into the newer source tree you should run make oldconfig before you go into menuconfig. make oldconfig will parse the oldconfig and check for changes between the new tree and the old .config file. It will then prompt you for an answer and suggest a sane default action [03:15] after that it saves the 'fixed up' config as .config for you to work with [03:16] zoran119, when you copied a .config and just ran 'make menuconfig', unbeknownst to you, the kernel accepts the defaults that linus puts in the new kernel sources. These 'defaults' may _not_ be really what you want, and you are unaware of what's being config'd etc unless you truly know each new option, and can remember to go thru the _entire_ kernel config line by line and edit accordingly. This is why, you copy over your e [03:16] xisting config, then run "make oldconfig" ..answering the questions one at a time as you go..then use "make xconfig" to further tweak away. [03:16] antiwire, :) [03:16] antiwire: He was asking before about like RCU and stuff, he was getting the whole rundown of changes between the two, but I do know that make oldconfig is the thing to do first. [03:17] hmmm i must have run oldconfig then [03:17] because i did get questions about the new options [03:17] zoran119, "history" command will show you [03:17] make oldconfig will suggest default actions that are suggested by people who are smarter than us ;) [03:18] and the non-new options were already answered - i assumed that those answers were from old .config [03:18] just take the default action if you don't know and it will probably be just dandy [03:18] zoran119: yep [03:18] antiwire, not necessarily, the default for the linux kernel is to use the new libata, which means a hard drive that was known as /dev/hda is now /dev/sda..and when the user accepts that, installs that kernel, and reboots...well lilo, and fstab are config'd wrong, and a failbus rips on thru :) [03:19] if CONFIG_IDE is yet as Y it won't be changed [03:19] no oldconfig in the history [03:19] zoran119: did you look at root's (su) history or normal user? [03:20] root [03:20] zoran119: it's not catastrophic that you did not run that though. [03:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-82-133.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [03:20] zoran119: ok, then you didn't run it. [03:20] config_ide isn't a default "suggested by people who are smarter than us" is my point. the IDE is one example of the defaults, not necessarily being what someone may need for their specific situation. [03:20] i'm not going to argue about it then. whatever [03:20] it's not an argument, it's a correction [03:21] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-82-133.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:22] it doesn't really matter that i didn't run oldconfig... the system seems ok so the options are satisfactory for someone who knows nothing about the kernel [03:22] http://pastebin.ca/1410173 [03:22] it will matter when i start playing with options... of when find that someting is broken [03:22] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.236) joined ##slackware. [03:23] antiwire, personally, if I were you, I'd download Slackware --current's kernel config, 'diff -u yours theirs' and see what Mr. V did, you might (or may not) be fine. [03:24] i just did. [03:24] oh sorry wrong person :) [03:24] I meant zoran119 [03:25] Old_Fogie: might do that [03:26] can someone also tell me, in a few howtos for kernel recompiling... as one of the final steps (before editing lilo.conf) they say to symlink /boot/bzImage to /boot/bzImage-NEWVERSION [03:26] i didn't [03:30] my lilo entry for the new kernel points to bzImage-2.6.29 and bzImage still points to bzImage-2.6.21-5 [03:30] you don't need to do that as long as you enter the correct names into lilo.conf [03:30] is that a problem? [03:30] no [03:30] zoran119: no problem [03:30] cool [03:30] it's fine man [03:30] you're all good [03:30] (morning people) [03:30] Morning Urchlay. How are you> [03:30] s/>/? [03:30] zoran119: go have a drink or something, you did it fine [03:30] lol [03:30] antiwire: might have a couple [03:30] :-) [03:30] hehe [03:30] used to be (maybe still is) certain things act funny if /boot/System.map isn't linked to the correct version, but I believe the 12.x boot scripts take care of that for you [03:30] and even with that there are only a few situations when it could cause a problem [03:30] firebird619: finally having a drink. Just got back from a show (I ran sound), stayed sober, shouldn't have... [03:30] thanks everyone for your help... just imagine all the questions i'll have when i start playing with the config :D [03:30] Urchlay: thanks for that [03:30] zoran119: Nothing wrong with having more questions. :) [03:30] antiwire: really old versions of "ps" would show the wrong function names with "ps -elf", maybe new ones do too [03:30] Urchlay: what kind of show? [03:30] here is the standard paste for the System.map question http://dirac.org/linux/system.map/ [03:30] firebird619: my dad's southern rock/country band [03:30] they were pretty good [03:30] Urchlay: Ah, and you wish you'd have been drunk? [03:30] yeah, cause I ended up not having to be designated driver for the singer after all :) [03:31] :) [03:31] Urchlay: yep, your example was one of the situations [03:31] antiwire: not sure whether it's "was" or "still is" though [03:31] yeah i don't know [03:32] i always update System.map when i upgrade my kernels [03:32] yah, I got in the habit a long time ago [03:32] need to see if I still have a copy of my old "automatic lilo config" script I'd run after compiling kernel [03:33] it'd do all that and make the new kernel the default in lilo, leave the old ones as options... I think at one time I had 15 or 20 kernels bootable on my old test box :) [03:35] firebird619: I still might end up playing bass in dad's band. Not sure if that's something I really want or not [03:36] Urchlay: Does your dad play alot of shows? [03:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [03:36] your dad's band that is. [03:36] one a month, sometimes two, not a lot [03:37] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.145.5) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:37] Well, just give it some thought anyway. Might end up having fun if you do play bass. [03:37] dad's just such a damn perfectionist, kinda intimidating [03:37] but yah, it'd be a lot of fun [03:37] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [03:38] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left ##slackware (".."). [03:38] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:40] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:43] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [03:52] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.132.114) joined ##slackware. [03:52] hey... with Old_Fogie's instructions 'download Slackware --current's kernel config, 'diff -u yours theirs' and see what Mr. V did'... i can only see huge kernel configs... is there no generic for --curent [03:52] rsorch (n=williams@ACBEF745.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [03:52] Nick change: Lexus1 -> Lexus[away] [03:53] rsorch (n=williams@ACBEF745.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:54] Lexus[away] (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [03:54] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.82.182) joined ##slackware. [03:54] hello [03:54] rg3: hello [03:54] sure there is [03:54] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/k/config-generic-smp-2.6.29.2-smp [03:55] what's the minimum required to upgrade alsa? [03:55] alsa-driver only? [03:55] or alsa-lib + alsa-driver? [03:55] isn't slackboy working, should lexus1 have been kicked for the away nick? [03:55] s/should/shouldn't [03:55] redtricycle: alsa-utils and maybe bluez too [03:56] antiwire: cool... thanks [03:57] in case I screw up, what's the name of the slackware 12.2 package to fix it? [03:57] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:57] nevermind, found it [03:57] it just didnt show up in slocate [03:57] but the package is there [03:57] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [03:58] redtricycle: just grep alsa /var/log/packages/* for an idea [03:58] RJ_ (n=RJ@203.122.19.227) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Nick change: RJ_ -> bauglir [04:01] Is there anything that will probe my webcam for a driver, the way alsa does for sound cards? [04:02] Shingoshi, a nice trick is kopete, preferences, webcam [04:02] I will try that. [04:03] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-74-136.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] Has anyone worked with test systems running any versions of the openssl/openssh affected by the PRNG bug? [04:04] aka the debian openssl issue [04:05] Kopete doesn't show me anything for a webcam. [04:05] I have one of those Logitech cams. [04:05] What driver should I load for it. [04:06] see if anything shows up for /dev/video [04:06] I have /dev/video1 [04:06] look at what dmesg says, maybe it auto loaded the webcam module [04:07] dmesg only shows my drives. [04:08] josefig (n=williams@172.190.24.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:09] Shingoshi, /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.2/Documentation/video4linux [04:09] or whichever kernel you have [04:11] how do I restart the mysql database to like it was when I installed it? mysql_install_db doesnt make a new one [04:13] backup you system, delete the configs, delete the db's, reinstall the package? [04:14] rm -fr /var/lib/mysql && installpkg? [04:14] i guess, but back up your system first...right? RIGHT!?!?! [04:15] I think I'll be fine. [04:15] but I did a recent backup anyway. [04:15] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.148.225) left irc: "Leaving." [04:15] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host14-93-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:17] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-28-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:18] in slackware, when you configure grub using the slackware setup tools, what's the name of the generated config file? /boot/grub/menu.lst? [04:19] the slackware setup tools can't configure grub afaik [04:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("mIRC"). [04:19] rg3, grub is in /extra. once installed,the package has a script to gen the /boot/grub/menu.lst for you [04:20] rg3, you have to run that script manually after installing grub [04:20] great, thanks [04:20] I don't have grub installed, but I'm coding a program that needs to know that kind of things [04:20] rg3, read the doc's they're a quick read [04:21] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:24] mmm, grub [04:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [04:24] I should eat something... [04:26] Urchlay, great minds think alike. [04:26] chocolate [04:28] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:28] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:29] Later everyone. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening, and, Have a Great Weekend. :) [04:29] so check your .bash_history, how many times have you typed "lsd" for "ls"? [04:29] later firebird619 [04:29] later Urchlay [04:29] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:30] grep lsd .bash_history | wc -l [04:30] 0 [04:31] grep ls .bash_history | wc -l [04:31] 123 [04:32] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [04:34] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) joined ##slackware. [04:35] <_RadioHead> morning [04:35] MrEntropy (n=entropy@219-90-151-249.ip.adam.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:35] yo [04:36] in the slackware installation procedure i remember seeing "would you like to create a USB boot stick", does that sound right? [04:36] yeah [04:37] antiwire: well maybe I'm the only one who makes that particular typo 10-20 times a day... [04:37] <_RadioHead> morning Urchlay [04:37] Urchlay: cool. Now, i'm after the installation (actually a long time after) and i want to make the stick. is there a command to do that or do i have to run a dodgy install? [04:37] hola _RadioHead [04:37] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Urchlay: hehe [04:38] MrEntropy: ehhh, there likely is a command to do that, but I dunno what it is :) [04:38] Urchlay: okies, i'll take a deeper poke around [04:38] MrEntropy: possibly /var/log/setup/setup.80.make-bootdisk [04:39] Urchlay: ooooh.. nice. [04:39] i think you're on the money [04:40] it certainly looks like it should... but I dunno what happens if you run it on an installed system, not inside the installer [04:40] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:40] (I suppose you could try it and let me know. I haven't got a USB stick handy to try it on right now) [04:40] read the script [04:40] /var/log/setup [04:41] setup.80.make-bootdisk [04:41] <_RadioHead> heya Old_Fogie :) [04:41] doing that as we speak =) [04:41] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:41] hello _RadioHead [04:42] Old_Fogie: I am about 4/5 of the way through drinking a large Black Russian, so I don't wanna assume I'm making any sense right now [04:43] N3mZ (i=501@unaffiliated/nemesis128) joined ##slackware. [04:44] Hermann (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:45] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:46] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:46] i cant get irssi to autojoin slackware [04:46] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:46] >_< [04:47] it says I need a network, and I've already added one [04:47] possibly cause it's ##slackware instead of #slackware? *shrug* [04:47] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:48] redtricycle (n=redtricy@68.125.161.157) joined ##slackware. [04:48] okay, the reason was [04:48] I added irc.freenode.net to the network list, isntead of .org [04:48] when I connected to the .org [04:48] -_- [04:49] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: what do you prefer for raid ? reiser . ext3 or 4? [04:50] am split between reiser 3.6 and ext3. Not tried ext4 yet (it's supposed to have major problems) [04:50] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: i have raid1 with reiser 3.6 but yet that problem anoying me , i did not have time to see in detail... but today i saw some errors in dmesg [04:50] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.82.182) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:50] I've used reiserfs for a *looong* time now and been pretty happy with it, but I've heard other people saying it gave them problems. Not sure what I'm doing different... [04:51] what sort of errors? [04:51] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: i am using 2 . only i switch to ext4 for / FS in -current to give a try and see how works [04:51] using ext2? should be using ext3 instead, it's been around for ages and is stable [04:52] <_RadioHead> attempt to access beyond end of device [04:52] <_RadioHead> md0: rw=1, want=488391816, limit=488391808 [04:52] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [04:52] hmmm, that sounds bad [04:52] <_RadioHead> REISERFS: abort (device md0): Journal write error in flush_commit_list [04:52] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: yep and last one REISERFS: Aborting journal for filesystem on md0 [04:52] the "attempt to access beyond end" error happened on reiserfs? [04:53] <_RadioHead> and that is happening while i do rsync -current and actualy while rsyncing k/ i got this error [04:53] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: yes [04:53] that's reiserfs 3.6 or 4? [04:53] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: 3.6 [04:53] hrm [04:53] you didn't do anything crazy when creating it? [04:53] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.37) joined ##slackware. [04:54] "access beyond end" means reiserfs thinks the partition is bigger than it really is [04:54] could happen if you dd a partition to a slightly smaller partition, or something crazy like that [04:55] <_RadioHead> well Urchlay gues no i was following manual, but also i found some tips where i can create md0 raid1 so i tell to mdadm that sdd1 is missing and then just attach sdd1 (rsync finished ok and was working since few days ago) [04:55] could try resize_reiserfs [04:56] rsync or resync? [04:56] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: uh resync sorry man [04:56] <_RadioHead> i sad coz i am doing rsync of data on my level1 NAS [04:56] creating a raid array with missing partition, then letting the kernel resync, that has always worked OK for me [04:56] <_RadioHead> sorry* [04:57] (I've done it on raid5, no problems) [04:57] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: worked also here and disk have exaclty same size.. let me check one more time [04:57] and that raid5 uses reiserfs too... it's where my /home is mounted, has been working for years now [04:58] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: only one disk is hitachi one is damn segate [04:58] shouldn't matter [04:58] <_RadioHead> yep [04:58] "fdisk -l" should show the same partition sizes [04:59] <_RadioHead> yes and is showing... , i did fsck.reiser to see if any error will apear but nope everything was ok [04:59] (I can remember when Seagate was considered Really Good Stuff... have they really fallen so far that they're "damned" now?) [05:00] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: well for desktop product i don`t like them , maybe is just me :) but i like hitachi and WD [05:00] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:00] got a bunch of ssmsung drives, they seem OK [05:00] er, samsung [05:01] black russian is kicking in :) [05:01] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: i did not try yet options you gave me errors=read-only forgot exact command* [05:01] <_RadioHead> :) [05:01] I just replaced a battery in a laptop and now it gets 4.5 hr uptimes depending on what is going on [05:02] _RadioHead: wait, youre the guy whose raid filesystem was turning itself read-only after a while? [05:02] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: yes man :) [05:03] <_RadioHead> sorry if i confused you:) [05:03] how did you create your filesystems? just make the md device then "mkreiserfs /dev/md0"? [05:04] antiwire: that's better or worse than the old battery? I've never had a battery that lasts longer than an hour... [05:04] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: i had sdb1 with data , i create /dev/md0 with sdb1 and MISSING (sdd1) and then add sdd1 on array [05:04] <_RadioHead> sdb1 already had reiserfs. [05:04] wait a sec [05:04] that sounds like it shouldn't work [05:04] Urchlay: much better, the old one is almost completely shorted, gets around 10 minutes [05:05] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [05:05] can someone tell me whats wrong with my mplayer package it shows no description while install [05:05] _RadioHead: that really wasn't a great idea. You *might* be able to fix it by umounting the filesystem and running "resize_reiserfs" on it [05:05] _RadioHead: but I'd recommend backing up all the data first [05:05] ttyX: where did you get the package? [05:06] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: that is what i am doing now [05:06] what, resizing or backing up? [05:06] <_RadioHead> i have aprox 200GB :) and waiting for 50GB to be finished [05:06] <_RadioHead> backup [05:06] I used alien's slackbuild [05:08] _RadioHead: you should have created the md0 with sdd1 active and sdb1 as "missing", then copied everything from sdb1 to md0, then add sdb1 to the array [05:09] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: i did mdadm --create --level 1 device-number=2 /dev/sdb1 missing and simulate degraded array, after i attach sdd1 and done,resync was finished working good but few days ago i noticed problem... [05:09] <_RadioHead> ah Urchlay so u sugest mdadm --create --level 1 device-number=2 missing /dev/sdd1 [05:09] _RadioHead: yeah, raid has overhead (the raid superblock gets stored at the end of the partition) [05:09] yes [05:10] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: ill do asap i backup my data , and thx man [05:10] Shuren (n=Devilman@host155-143-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:10] what's happened here is that your filesystem is the size of the original sdb1 partition... but md0 is slightly smaller than sdb1 was because part of md0's space is eaten up by the raid superblock at the end of the device [05:11] so you've got a filesystem that thinks it's living on a device that's bigger than the actual device it lives on... follow? [05:12] ttyX: can you paste a link? (just to make sure I'm looking at the same thing you are?) [05:12] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: thank you man. [05:13] _RadioHead: after your backup is done, resize_reiserfs should be able to fix it [05:13] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: actualy how things are going here probably ill put new bigger disks since 44gb left on disks. [05:14] cool [05:14] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: ill go for your options adding later sdb1 * [05:14] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@69.245.162.6) joined ##slackware. [05:14] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/MPlayer/build/ [05:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:14] MrEntropy (n=entropy@219-90-151-249.ip.adam.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:14] the rule to keep in mind is that a raid0 partition is actually slightly smaller than the smallest /dev/sd* partition you add to it, due to the raid superblock [05:15] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [05:16] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: :got it suer after you explained me :) [05:16] ttyX: hm. Nothing looks obviously wrong. Check the slack-desc, make sure the description lines start with "MPlayer" [05:16] I tried the one from sb also [05:16] doesnt work [05:17] <_RadioHead> sure* [05:17] ttyX: odd. What's wrong with the one from slackbuilds.org? I've used it and it worked fine... [05:18] ttyX: how are you building and installing it? [05:18] building using alien's sb [05:18] and installing using installpkg [05:19] yes, did you in fact download the slack-desc also? [05:19] cause a missing slack-desc would cause the problem you're talking about [05:19] yes I've got the slack-desc [05:20] make a test directory and cd into it, then explodepkg the package you built and check it out [05:20] its there [05:20] just doesnt show up [05:21] do the description lines start with "MPlayer: " (note the capital letters, they have to match the filename of the package) [05:22] ok in that I got it [05:22] case* [05:22] Action: Urchlay thinks all slackbuilds should use lowercase for the package name, but apparently others don't agree with me [05:22] my package name starts with mplayer [05:22] mplayer, not MPlayer? [05:22] whereas in slack-desc iits MPlayer [05:22] nope [05:22] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:23] did you change the PRGNAM= line in the slackbuild script? [05:23] i'm going to test it right now too [05:23] cause it's MPlayer [05:23] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: it was my first time trying linux software raid , since i used and played with solaris volume manager i never had this problem , and never thought about where superblock is storing actualy ni solaris database is stored on special partition anyway [05:23] ok ill change [05:23] _RadioHead: actually I'm surprised it worked as well as it did [05:24] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: :) [05:24] does solaris let you take an existing "simple" partition and turn it into part of a RAID in-place? [05:24] (what little solaris knowledge I have dates back to solaris 7...) [05:25] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: yes [05:25] thanks for pointing out [05:25] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:26] <_RadioHead> it is simple and trully i liked a lot. first only you create metadatabase and then create whatevere raid level you want. attach "partition"/disk and done. [05:28] Action: _RadioHead give a thank 2 alien for vlc [05:30] _RadioHead: I had a bug report on LQ.org that the my package would not play DVD's - do you have that iseue too? [05:30] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:30] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-82-133.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [05:31] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: wait downloading vlc sine i erinstall -current , i nevetr had problem with your vlc package. but ill try it now imidiate after download [05:31] alienBOB: whoever filed that bug report, they just failed to read the script and set USE_PATENTS=YES? [05:33] Urchlay: I have no idea, but the log output looked like he had libdvdcss installed [05:33] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-82-133.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:33] still don't get why anyone ever creates MixedCase package names. I know I have a package that gives me a binary called "mplayer", how in hell should I remember that the package name is actually MPlayer? (slackbuilds.org has OpenAL, too...) [05:34] the package name reflects the way upstream names the source. [05:34] <_RadioHead> hey XGizzmo dude :0 [05:35] moan in [05:37] yeah, I'd prefer a flat namespace [05:38] cause who can keep track of how stuff is capitalized? [05:38] (in java or c++ code there are standards for that, and people can't even follow those...) [05:39] souphead (n=souphead@120.28.181.96) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:40] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: trying a dvd ... [05:40] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.220.106) joined ##slackware. [05:42] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:42] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:42] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: with mplayer i can play dvd , but i get error warning MVs not avaliable. and with vlc it starts and then movie won`t play [05:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "mIRC" [05:44] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: anything more i can do man? [05:45] No, I will have to install it on a 12.2 box myself and find me a DVD to play [05:46] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: actually i go out to get a dvd and try :) and alienBOB forgot to tell you i am using -current [05:46] peacenik (n=cypherpu@142-217-82-152.telebecinternet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:46] It should work on current - but I did not test that myself ;-) [05:46] alienBOB: your precompiled package? [05:47] Yes [05:47] okay let me check it also [05:47] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: :) it starts but after few second when u want to play from meny it starts just 2-3 second and then freeze, if you do forward it will b e same thin u can see 2 second insert and thats all :) [05:47] I had problems playing DVD's in the 0.9.6 era and that's why I kept the 0.9.x in "testing" for so long [05:48] _RadioHead: sounds like _exactly_ the problem I had several months ago with the older releases [05:49] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: anyway playing other formats worked ok for me since i use dvds once per 2 year :) [05:50] YEah me too... [05:52] Anyway, I better start testing my 1.0.0.pre2 package, if that works better I will remove the 0.9.9 [05:52] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-2.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:54] redtricycle (n=redtricy@68.125.161.157) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:57] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: my pleasure to test :) [05:58] <_RadioHead> i am making iso of taht dvd i got :) [05:59] <_RadioHead> that* [05:59] <_RadioHead> time for coffee :) talk later [05:59] <_RadioHead> later Urchlay :) and again thx man [05:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [06:04] adios [06:04] I shall soon be asleep... [06:06] asleep on the keyboard so you'll send garbage message all night long ? [06:07] gah, I'm away, I can't get gcc to work (this is gcc on win7 x64) [06:09] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: "Leaving." 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[06:19] on my xp2400+ athlon X doesn't load 'drm' nor 'nvidia_agp' upon load. i tried modprobing in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, but they won't load there upon boot. where should i be modprobing? the only way i can get them loaded is from a cli term. [06:20] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:20] t0f: are you sure the module is available? [06:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:22] they are in /lib/modules/.... [06:23] lsmod |grep nv [06:23] nvidia_agp 5660 0 [06:23] agpgart 25392 2 drm,nvidia_agp [06:28] t0f: you may find them in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules and uncomment. but i'm not sure if it really differs from modprobing from /etc/rc.d/rc.local [06:28] /etc is on '/dev/root' so they should be seen on boot [06:29] i mean /lib [06:29] i'll have a look [06:29] mm.. [06:30] that's a bit confusing to me, that /etc/rc.d/rc.modules points to the default slackware 12.2 kernel [06:32] v /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [06:32] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2009-04-04 14:58 /etc/rc.d/rc.modules -> rc.modules-2.6.27.7-smp [06:32] t0f: you are trying to load the nvidia driver? [06:32] and i am running 2.6.28.5 [06:32] yes [06:33] dont worry about were rc.modules points in 99% of the cases it does not matter. [06:33] ok [06:34] can you modprobe nvidia and get it to work from cli? [06:34] yes [06:35] your xorg video driver is set for nvidia? [06:35] i'll chk [06:36] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:36] seems so [06:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:36] VendorName "nVidia Corporation" [06:36] # BoardName "NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]" [06:36] BoardName "NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] (rev a3)" [06:37] what version of nvidia driver are you useing? [06:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:38] look in my kernel .config ?? [06:39] no [06:39] lsmod? [06:40] hang on [06:40] ok, thanks [06:41] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-82-133.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:41] Tux__ (n=Tux@90.2.145.133) joined ##slackware. [06:43] well I dont know how to tell what the version is. do you stil have the sorce code for the driver? [06:44] i am using the driver that come with the kernel [06:45] +s [06:45] that driver is not drm [06:46] you have to use the binary closed source nvidia driver's for that [06:46] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [06:46] you think the propritary one may work better? [06:47] yes [06:47] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-legacy96-driver/ [06:48] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-legacy96-kernel/ [06:48] X seems to be working ok this way, you think that the closed source driver is worth the effort, then? [06:48] That depends on what you want [06:49] if you just want to use the web and email and such the one you have is just fine. [06:49] Action: t0f hates to taint his kernel, unless it means better quality video [06:50] i like to watch dvd's, too [06:51] if want to play games and watch videos thing like that that are video intensive then the nvidia driver is much better. [06:51] Nick change: Lexus1 -> Lexus[away [06:51] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:51] Lexus[away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [06:52] Lexus[away] (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [06:52] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ <-- hot to use the other two links i gave you. [06:52] how [06:53] your card is only supported by up to the 96.x versions [06:53] ok, i'm getting 'NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.11-pkg0.run' atm. as a dial-up, it may take some time :| [06:54] ok [06:56] so i am getting the correct legacy driver? [06:56] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:58] yes [06:58] ok, thank you. i'm so lame with video drivers, frame buffer in cli was so easy. [06:58] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:58] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:58] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:00] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:00] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:00] it would be so nice to replace my 933Mhz p3 with this 2000Mhz one [07:00] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:01] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:05] but i line old boxes O:-) [07:05] like* [07:06] i have a Dell 2400 Mhz p4, BUT, the on board i915 is so flakey [07:06] and no agp slat :( [07:06] slot* [07:07] t0f: are you from Philadelphia? [07:07] no, but not too far away [07:07] :) [07:07] Action: likevinyl is away: unpacking A-H1N1... done. unpacking Ébola Zaire... done. unpacking H5N1... done. [07:08] i am nearer Scranton [07:08] this name tells me nothing:) [07:09] Scranton? [07:09] yup [07:09] north of Allentown [07:10] the same %) I know where Philadelphia is:) [07:10] near the Poconos [07:10] i get you [07:11] ) [07:11] ok, let's leave it as 'i'm in the woods' hehehehe [07:11] :) [07:11] =) [07:11] so am I =) [07:11] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.236) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:11] the city is too busy for me [07:12] sometimes I also have a desire to move to some calm place [07:12] though my town is not very big [07:12] nevertheless [07:13] traffic tie ups make me crazy [07:13] :) [07:16] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:16] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:16] Lexus[away]: you in the USA, also, i take it [07:16] i'm from russia:) [07:16] k [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-74-136.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-68.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] g2g later slackers [07:17] see ya XGizzmo [07:17] bye:) [07:18] Lexus[away]: must be dinner time where you're at. it's breakfast here [07:19] our time is 17:20 now :) [07:20] i've already had dinenr =) [07:20] dinner* [07:20] i was close (: [07:20] yes:) [07:20] and your time is about 9:20-10:20 am ? [07:21] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:22] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Hermann (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:25] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.92.34) joined ##slackware. [07:25] 7:25 [07:25] oops) [07:26] i just noticed that kworldclock is missing from my xfce menu [07:26] in slack 12.2 compared to 12.1 [07:26] mm.. i use 12.2 but on gateway, that's why without X [07:27] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [07:27] i'll have to put a new kworldclock.desktop in place [07:27] :) [07:27] <-- needs his world clock [07:28] twanny796 (n=twanny@195.158.83.36) joined ##slackware. [07:28] as soon as I hit file/print on kpdf, the application closes, can print with gedit, any ideas? [07:29] Action: t0f is an early riser [07:29] xpdf? [07:30] t0f, using kpdf, try xpdf?? [07:30] perhaps xpdf will print for you [07:30] t0f, trying to install [07:31] Action: t0f has no printer, so i am guessing [07:31] oh! [07:32] t0f, there's no xpdf installed -- using CentOS! [07:32] t0f, company rules [07:32] i see [07:33] if all else fails, perhaps install 'staroffice' [07:33] t0f, I have openoffice installed, does that has a pdf viewer? [07:34] i think so. let me load it and i'll chk [07:35] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:37] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:37] don't bother, it does have a pdf viewer but it doesn't render correctly, here for me [07:37] i use kpdf [07:38] cannot open with OpenOffice, [07:38] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [07:38] t0f, are you trying to print? [07:38] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[07:54] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [08:00] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:02] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: done with backup , i reconfigure raid let see now how will work :) [08:05] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.37) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:08] Anyone know if this would be a Slack 12.1 issue trying to build this, or is it just the software : checking for lt_dladvise_init in -lltdl... no (next line) configure: error: Unable to find libltdl [08:09] I know that's a reference to libtool, but wondering if that means maybe my libtool too old? or if that software is maybe just not listening to my ./configure.... [08:12] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [08:14] oh, bootstrap, nm. [08:16] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl5-110-178.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:16] 12.2 has '/usr/lib/libltdl.so.3.1.6' and 12.1 has '/usr/lib/libltdl.so.3.1.5' [08:18] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:19] occifer (i=jago@c-71-194-14-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] how do i run a GUI? i just installed slack [08:20] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: so if example i have sdb1 and sdd1 with reiserfs do mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdd1 that should work OR i need to create after FS no /dev/md0 ? [08:21] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] occifer, look in /topic there is link to guides [08:21] watters (n=watters@60.53.224.192) joined ##slackware. [08:21] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [08:21] watters (n=watters@60.53.224.192) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:24] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.92.174) joined ##slackware. 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[08:31] Hello..........., i have problems running the installation program for ati radeon hd 4650 gfx card. i use the fglrx drivers. does anyone here have any experience with it? [08:32] mirash: I'm just relaxin havin a cup of coffee. all is well:) [08:32] hw can i include slack in boot option? i am using grub for loading mandriva. [08:32] <_RadioHead> Old_Fogie: now i am little bit calm since i done backup :) and can play with raid :) [08:32] hi RadioHead:) good to see you:) [08:32] when i startkde it says cannot connect to X Server but when i do kdm my screen just goes black [08:32] i hav installed slack into hda3 and mandriva into hda1 [08:32] Anyone? [08:33] <_RadioHead> hitest: same here man.how u doing dude/ [08:33] rhleis: I'm not [08:33] i hav edited menu.lst in mandriva, but cant load slack [08:34] mirash, grub... *especially* mandriva's isn't supported here (no joke) but you need a new entry in your driva's menu.lst, typically (and this is _not_ all you need) but something with this : kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdXYZ ro vga=normal [08:34] any odea? [08:34] RadioHead: I'm good:) not doing too much today...just surfing. [08:34] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [08:34] bah! Who uses grub anyway! [08:34] mirash, and most likely that mandriva is using new udev..so you're really not going to get much help here [08:35] why if i use grub [08:35] slackware has the newest udev available ;) [08:35] mirash, becaues that is the channel rules [08:35] omg this is driving me crazy... I need to change a file's name from lowercase to uppercase... the file is stored on an sdcard with FAT fs... I've trieda deleting, moving, copying, creating the file again from both Windows and Linux and it still keeps showing in lowercase [08:35] mirash, it's not a typical slakcware option to support mandriva grub [08:35] i want to just boot my slack [08:35] Hello..........., i have problems running the installation program for ati radeon hd 4650 gfx card. i use the fglrx drivers. does anyone here have any experience with it? [08:36] I know that a little off topic, but someboady has encountered anything similar? [08:36] mirash, you'd be better off going to their channel, and asking them how to boot slackware's /boot/vmlinuz on your partiton [08:36] jota-_: are you sure you don't have a setting that shows all filenames on FAT as lowercase? ;) [08:37] mirash, and if you just want to boot slack,..then just use liloconfig as root (tho you'll lose the mandriva) but then you'd have to add the mandriva to your /etc/lilo.con [08:37] I remembered there is such an option, but might have been wrong. It's not in "man mount" anyway [08:37] I'm sure Aldaron, I can see other files with the proper case [08:38] i cant run liloconfig [08:38] why? [08:38] Action: tresloukadu is back [08:38] occifer (i=jago@c-71-194-14-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:38] i can login thro cd [08:39] but the command liloconfig not workin [08:39] boot the install cd of slackware [08:39] mirash: I'd recommend installing lilo on your slackware partition, and then configuring grub for booting from that partition (I assume you know grub better - lilo is installed automatically in slackware's setup, although installing it on a partition isn't the default setting) [08:39] mirash, use the option to boot an already installed installation [08:39] then once it's in, login as root, then run liloconfig [08:39] I delete the file create it again from windows with the proper case and then when I do ls on Linux it shows it with all lowercase.... some other files that I creted with the right case from the begining show correctly also [08:39] where to udse that option [08:40] s/udse/use [08:40] i have problems running the installation program for ati radeon hd 4650 gfx card. i use the fglrx drivers. does anyone here have any experience with it? [08:40] mirash, boot the cd, read what it says..when it stops loading, and waits for user input [08:40] mirash, it explains how to recover an existing installation [08:41] let me try\ [08:41] rhleis: my experience is that ati can't make good linux drivers ;). I hope somebody else can help you though [08:41] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.132.87) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:44] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:45] jota-_: if the file is on a vfat partition, have you tried mounting it with the option "shortname=mixed"? [08:45] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:45] s/partition/filesystem [08:46] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:46] jota-_, if I were to guess, you saved the files on that thumbdrive with a different linux [08:46] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.39.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:46] jota-_, or with gnome [08:46] or even more gnome on a diff't linux [08:46] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] hello happy slackers [08:47] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] hi [08:47] yo man hello [08:48] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.221.91.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] hi LnxSlck [08:48] hello hitest tresloukadu alienBOB [08:48] jota-_, so be sure to yell at Linus for changing CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="iso8859-1" [08:48] away from that [08:48] Old_Fogie, [] [08:49] and going UTF8 wich causes all sort of case screw ups [08:50] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:51] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [08:52] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [08:52] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:52] nitro25 (n=quassel@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Nick change: Sleepymess -> Emess [08:53] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] nitro25 (n=quassel@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:57] i have problems running the installation program for ati radeon hd 4650 gfx card. i use the fglrx drivers. does anyone here have any experience with it? [08:57] pastebin the error [08:57] rhleis, best to explain your problem, and someone will assist if they can. [08:58] Action: Old_Fogie snaps straterra's stratroll bra-strap [09:01] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73A08.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:01] lol [09:01] greetings [09:01] valvola (n=fabiovio@host82-251-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: No route to host [09:01] hitest, :) [09:01] hey slackytude:) [09:01] <_RadioHead> greet slackytude :) [09:01] hey slacky [09:01] tude [09:01] y0 people ^-^ [09:01] hiya Old_Fogie:) [09:01] tab..must..hit..tab [09:01] all fine? [09:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Old_Fogie: tab? [09:02] <_RadioHead> yah :) [09:02] waiting for the dew on my grass to dry so I can gut the lawn (no that's not old man code for something else perverts :) [09:02] <_RadioHead> hitest: :) tab completition [09:02] hitest, I tab-failed his name [09:02] heh [09:02] ah [09:02] mmm..i love gutting lawns.. [09:02] s/gut/cut [09:02] err..nvm [09:02] we killed our lawn mower recently [09:02] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl5-110-178.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:02] its probably a jungle by now [09:03] I hate cutting my lawn......but I'm a lazy SOB [09:03] on 100 deg F days sure, but this time of year aint so bad. [09:03] yeah [09:03] 20 degrees here ^-^ [09:04] problem doing this time of year, is getting all the 6months of doggy doo off the lawn from the long winter [09:04] hitest: do you like your lawn bigger, longer and uncut? :) [09:04] heh [09:04] no, I do eventually get to it [09:04] but, that's why God made grandkids [09:04] agreed [09:04] eh [09:05] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) joined ##slackware. [09:05] Action: slackytude drinks some coffee [09:05] i want to rename a series of files named like K34cups to S66cups (sum of the two number equals 100). how to do that? [09:05] great day so far [09:05] I could get used to 4day weekkends [09:05] Thursap, man rename [09:05] go away debianista and your rename crap! [09:05] :) [09:06] Thursap, just use sysv-rc-conf in terminal as root and be done with it I say. [09:07] slackytude: i've just read it, but still dont know how to execute an expression in regex. [09:07] slackytude, oh man, 4 day weekends would really be nice. [09:08] Old_Fogie, it is! [09:08] slackytude, wait you're on 4 day weekend now? oh that's nice. [09:08] Thursap, oi, only change those whose sum are 100? thats a script job [09:09] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [09:09] Old_Fogie, aye! thursday stuff at uni got canceled because of pig flu and friday was a holyday [09:09] slackytude, what country you in? [09:10] Germany [09:10] you guys got mexican flu there? [09:10] in France too [09:10] we're all going to die :) [09:10] a few cases in Canada [09:10] maybe we'll get slackware 13 before ;p [09:10] Old_Fogie, yes, but I was just joking. Proffesor canceld due to sickness, probably not swine flu tho [09:11] slackytude, lol ;p [09:11] according to the media, we should already be dead [09:11] but it looks like its gonna be a classified as a pandemic by the WHO [09:11] straterra, according to media we should all have healthcare, be rich, end world hunger now too :) [09:11] straterra, no, not yet, only half of the population :) [09:11] you know whats cool? [09:12] ice? [09:12] Old_Fogie, you mean some people don't have healthcare ? :D [09:12] I can use much of the same tools i have stockpiled for the zombie uprising [09:12] Thursap: for i in S*; do mv $i `echo $i|awk '{ print "K" (100-substr($1,2,2)) substr($1,4)}'`; done [09:12] ops. Change S and K respectively ;) [09:13] if we have a pandemic will there be pandemonium? [09:13] That renames S34foo to K66foo [09:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.19) joined ##slackware. [09:16] _slacker_ (n=_slacker@197.32.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:16] I havent seen Randal Flagg walking the streets yet [09:16] you'll find him in Las Vegas [09:16] Aldaron: very nice! [09:16] heh [09:17] Aldaron, yeah, nice. creative way of using awk [09:17] bauglir (n=RJ@203.122.19.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:18] no prob, Thursap :). I didn't think that was particularly creative, I do that a lot in scripts ;) [09:18] never used it like that before. [09:19] i would have done it the stupid way with cp or mv [09:19] Floops (n=baihu@mandrak.ktekz.com) joined ##slackware. [09:19] valvola (n=fabiovio@host82-251-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:20] impossible if you have a lot of files to do though [09:20] I probably used python [09:20] valvola (n=fabiovio@host82-251-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:21] agh [09:21] the mother of all hornets just flew in [09:22] got a rolled up newspaper handy? [09:22] sounds like a fucking helicoter [09:22] you can put it in a for loop too [09:23] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.221.91.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [09:23] i been getting severe thunderstorms this morning, two blew through already and dopplar radar shows more to come [09:24] its gone again, wouldnt have killed it anyway [09:25] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:25] Aldaron: what if i want to fix the wide of number field (in this case, 2), thatis 96 -> 04, not just 4 ? [09:25] i hate bugs, they annoy me and deserve a death sentence for annoying me, besides that they can bite and sting sometimes [09:26] Action: gnubien emails Pig_Pen a mosquito net ;) [09:27] oklahoma is a bug's paradise too :\ [09:27] Pig_Pen: lyme disease occur in your locale? from the ticks ? [09:28] Thursap: hah, good question :D. Lemme think [09:28] yup, lots of ticks [09:30] i been putting poison on ant hills in my yard whenever i mow the grass [09:31] Pig_Pen: i read that deer bring in the ticks and if you place a deer feeder that wipes a little pestacide on the deer you can control the ticks alitttle [09:31] fireants [09:31] <_RadioHead> yo Pig_Pen :) [09:31] good idea gnubien [09:31] hi _RadioHead [09:31] <_RadioHead> seems that i fix raid1 , but i can`t say untill i test good :0 finaly [09:32] Pig_Pen: lots of fireants here in florida too; you can drown them with water if you dose them daily for a week [09:32] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: hope :) it is ok now. [09:33] Thursap: sprintf("%02i",(100-substr($1,2,2))) instead of just (100-substr($1,2,2)) [09:33] i have these gray colored granuals, i just sprinkle it on the ant hill and the next day they are all dead [09:34] simNIX (n=simNIX@92.254.60.156) left irc: "Ik ga weg" [09:34] Pig_Pen: yea, they sell that here too, one dose and the mound dies [09:35] Action: likevinyl is back (gone 02:28:02) [09:35] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [09:35] ah good [09:36] someone give likevinyl a boot in the but for his away/back spam [09:36] Pig_Pen: eliminate standing water and open containers on your property and skeeters arent so bad [09:36] _slacker_ (n=_slacker@197.32.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: [09:37] Action: slackytude is almost done cleaning [09:38] pesartain (n=pesartai@79-72-92-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Thursap: something along those lines anyway. http://www.cs.mtsu.edu/~neal/awkcard.pdf is good, and advanced bash scripting guide helps further :). I need to go, cu later [09:39] eh, damnit. looks like we'll get a thunderstrom too [09:41] tino27 (n=tnoe@cpe-24-93-187-187.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "[BX] Tickle-Me Elmo uses BitchX. *giggle* *giggle* *giggle*" [09:41] yeah, i do that after it rains every time [09:42] Pig_Pen: burning citronella candels helps repell the skeeters too [09:42] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:43] what is that disease mosquitos can carry? West Nile virus? hope we dont get malaria in the states [09:43] west nile virus can fatal to horses [09:44] yea, miningitis too [09:44] i am having problems install drivers for ati radeon 4650 card. i am using slackware 12.2 with the included huge-smp-2.6.27.7 kernel. this is the error log from the fglrx install program: http://prv.sim.no/~josteint/fglrx-install.log. i read on a forum that the kernel must be configured in order to get it running with slackware. i downloaded the latest kernel, used the config file from previous kernel and compiled. still no luck. [09:45] rhleis, yea that's a kernel rebuild needed for slack 12.1 to run the latest fglrx. [09:45] What should I do? [09:45] gimme a sec [09:45] :) [09:46] you need CONFIG_ARCH_SUPPORTS_MSI=y and CONFIG_PCI_MSI=y in the kernel config. [09:46] rhleis, you can rebuild 2.6.27 with them, and you'll be fine. [09:46] eh, slakc 12.2 too [09:47] --current I believe has that already [09:48] i am using 12.2 now, and the error occurs. so i need to recompile [09:48] yup [09:48] you need those two variables "built in" as I show above [09:48] jago_ (i=jago@c-71-194-14-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] how do i get slack to detect my wireless card? I can't run Kwifimanager [09:49] rhleis, kernel 2.6.29 will _not_ run fglrx which is a separate issue why you had failure doing that. [09:49] good mornin folks [09:49] hello nix_chix [09:50] jago_, which card is it?? [09:50] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-19.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:50] jago_, more specifically, which chipset [09:50] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [09:50] hello MLanden [09:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:50] Mornin',Old_Fogie [09:51] y0 MLanden [09:51] i am not 100% comfortable with building the kernel. so, if i use the previous settings from huge-2.6.27.7-smp; copy it's config to the latest kernel folder as .config, do make oldconfig; make menuconfig, enable those to attributes you mentioned, make and make modules_install, set up lilo.conf to use the arch/i386/.../bzImage and lilo.. and that is it? [09:51] y0,slackytude [09:51] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [09:51] hi [09:51] jago_: installing wicd solved all my network probs! [09:51] i've got a silly question probally could look it up. how hard is it to make an iso bootable on a thumb drive [09:51] no idea to tell you the truth its internal, its an older laptop im looking up the spec sheet for it now [09:52] Old_Fogie ? [09:52] rhleis, keep using 2.6.27.7 [09:52] rhleis, well you know what [09:53] i have no dvds, and all i have is cd rws and i want to get the deeeveedee version of the lastest slack has everything [09:53] rhleis, if you're not "comfortable", might I suggest you use the latest 2.6.27 kernel? here's why. If you rebuild the exisint kernel version, you will clobber your /boot/... and /lib/modules-... [09:53] rhleis, so if you do a higher version, then you wont risk ruining your good kernel [09:54] rhleis, but other than that, your procedure looks accurate. if you're not sure still, look at alienbob's wiki for a really good howto compile kernels for slackware (book mark it too! :) [09:54] book Mark? who is he then [09:54] nix_chix: not too difficult following alienbob's usb setup [09:54] rhleis, if you really don't want to do a diff version, then use the 'append to version' option in the kernel config [09:54] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:55] slackytude, wise guy :) I got old fingers here :) [09:55] all right. then i guess the kernel is ready to be changed in /usr/src/linux-26.27.7 since there is a .config file there. so enter that dir, make menuconfig, enable those two options, save and exit, make, make modules_install, copy the bzImage to /boot and put it in as a new entry to lilo.conf(in case something goes wrong, i can use the previous working one), and lilo and reboot..? [09:55] hehe ^-^ [09:55] rhleis, no if you just rebuild the version there, it will clobber all the existing files on the pc. [09:55] rhleis, becuase your still using the *same* version [09:55] or change version string [09:55] rhleis: also copy System.map to /boot [09:56] Old_Fogie: agreed! alienBOB's kernel compile guide is excellent. [09:56] so what should I do here? [09:56] if you use the same kernel, give it a custome string [09:56] wich is a kernel option [09:56] rhleis, you can change the "append to version" in the kernel confi menu/gui app. that will change the "binary name" to whatever you want, and wont hammer whats on board. that is how Mr. V get's the "-smp" after the kernel name [09:56] Pig_Pen: oh, i have never included the System.map file. though i have noticed it. what does it do? [09:56] aye [09:57] it does good things :D [09:57] http://dirac.org/linux/system.map/ [09:57] rhleis, so you can change the "-smp" in the make menu config option to be whatever, "-mine" for example would give you "vmlinuz-2.6.27.7-mine" [09:57] rhleis, see? [09:57] btw, why would ati/amd require enabling the msi flag when it is not a msi computer? [09:57] rhleis, I have no idea :) [09:58] rhleis, but really, read his kernel build guide, it's really worth it. [09:58] because its ATI [09:58] where's the guide? [09:58] they do weird stuff [09:59] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [09:59] rhleis, ^ [09:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [10:00] the system.map is used for debugging purposes. it can also help to detect rootkits [10:00] in the normal scheme of things, it aint useful much [10:01] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [10:02] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:02] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [10:03] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.19) left irc: [10:03] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [10:04] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] i cant get my resolution right [10:04] i dont like not having a /boot/System.map [10:04] it's also useful for boot-Idon'tknowwhat.pl :) [10:05] oh and dmesg output may be fsck'ed without System.map [10:05] and ps complains, too, I think [10:05] jag: what's your video card? [10:05] slackytude: how can system.map help detect rootkits? [10:05] Trident CyberBlade XP2 [10:05] sorry: jago* [10:06] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200-219-68-120.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:06] a rootkit my override the syscall functions [10:06] s/my/may [10:06] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:07] having a list of the correct addresses for a given call helps detecting that [10:07] MLanden: I did a xorgsetup so i let it autoconfigure, but it set my resolution at 800 x 600 and i should be at 1024 x 768 [10:08] any ref on how to actually use that? [10:08] or is it a theoretical exercise? [10:08] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Oh, yeah, any of you guys know how to get gcc to make a symbol file normally? [10:10] check xorg.conf,jago and see what the settings are under Section "Monitor" [10:10] eg for some arbitrary c code, not just System.map for the kernel [10:10] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@86.87.56.78) joined ##slackware. [10:11] http://www.la-samhna.de/library/rootkits/detect.html [10:11] ugh. when were slackware-11.0/slackware contents nuked ? [10:11] that's a bit... unwelcome [10:12] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-11.0/ [10:12] you fail [10:12] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:12] http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1811 [10:13] thrice`, well, thanks for the link. still, official mirror has nuked contents [10:13] dimmerbold, lots of hits on google for system.map rootkit [10:13] fred: http://forum.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?t=12074 ? [10:13] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:13] Richlv: you shouldn't use slackware.com for accessing stuff [10:14] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] slackytude: thanks. I'll read up. [10:15] fred, cant you read it from the ELF ? [10:15] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:15] Mlanden: what should i be looking for? [10:15] pesartain: ahhh, cheers :) [10:15] valvola (n=fabiovio@host82-251-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [10:15] slackytude: Including debug symbols in redistributed binaries isn't nice [10:15] true enough [10:16] anyway I think the linker can do --export-symbols [10:16] with the separate symbols file, you can take a core dump and the distributed binrary, and get a real backtrace [10:16] urmom likes debugging symbolts [10:16] slackytude: persartain's got it with strip :) [10:16] ah, didnt see that [10:16] well, as much of a real backtrace as you can get with an optimised build :p [10:16] nice! [10:16] eg line numbers will be off, functions inlined, but that's better than nothing [10:17] jago: Did xorg place the trident driver under Graphic devices section? Is your monitor listed? [10:17] slackytude: oh, and redhat have an interesting fusefs + gdb patch lying around [10:17] a gbd filesystem? [10:17] RJ_ (n=RJ@122.161.108.92) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:17] packages are stripped, but when you open a binary in the debugger, it looks on the fusefs for the debug symbols, and the fusefs downloads them automatically from redhat [10:18] MLanden:yeah it looks like it was able to read the driver but my "screen" section is messed up [10:18] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-71-241-211-201.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] lag [10:18] Nick change: AbortRet1yFail -> AbortRetryFail [10:18] so you've got small distributed binaries, but seamless as-good-as-it-gets debug info if you need it [10:18] stupid wireless [10:18] Mlanden: Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" [10:19] Do you have a link to that to hand, fred? [10:20] jago: Is there anything listed in Subsection "Display"? [10:20] So I guess my wpa_supplicant issue isnt new, lol [10:21] MLanden:Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 endsubsection viewport 0 0 depth 4, it follows that format but the depths go from 1,4,8,15,16,24 [10:22] I have the funniest story. I've used a variety of laptops, but every single one caused wpa_supplicant to either Kernel panic or stack fault when I connect to my home network, which is identical to the one used atr school. Its so weird [10:22] pesartain: sorry, can't seem to find it [10:22] Nay worries, sounds at least 3 kinds of cool though :) [10:23] Brings a whole new meaning to -dev packages. [10:23] well, -dev don't include debug symbols normally [10:23] jago: under Section "Monitor" see if inserting the line Option "Preferred Mode" "1024x768" at the end changes anything? [10:24] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] pesartain: hmm, might not actually be a redhat thing, might just be something that a redhat employee was playing around with or something :| [10:24] can't seem to find it again, and I assume I wouldn't have a problem with that if it was :p [10:25] fred, nifty stuff. fusefs is great [10:25] Mlanden: how should i write it in? Right before EndSection? and do i need to add SubSection and EndSubsection? [10:25] lol [10:25] easy to build your own FS, too [10:25] woah wrong window [10:25] I guess that wouldn't be that hard to do either... [10:25] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:25] I was playing with the idea of making a locateFS [10:25] jago: correct, right before endsection [10:25] just make it so that it's /mnt/debug-symbols/sha1-of-binary or something [10:26] and make gdb hash the binary and look there by default if it doesn't contain debug symbols [10:26] MLanden:open and close with Subsection thing? and all on the same line? [10:27] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "êîãäà ÿ óìåð íåáûëî íèêîãî, êòî áû ýòî îïðîâåðã" [10:27] jago_, you dont need a subsection and yes, all in one line [10:27] Option "Prefered Mode" "whatever" [10:28] thanks,slackytude [10:28] MLanden, eh, what for? [10:28] MLanden, anyway, you are welcome ^-^ [10:29] no, didnt change anything [10:32] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@71.104.229.100) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:33] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [10:39] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-211.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:40] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@86.87.56.78) left irc: "leaving" [10:41] jago: Is this Trident on your motherboard(on board video) or a PCI video card? [10:42] grissiom (n=grissiom@123.119.72.13) joined ##slackware. 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[10:54] Nick change: eddie_ -> eddie_grey [10:54] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-182-099-213.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:55] jago: this was posted over on forums.linuxmint.com http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&p=145006 that might be able to further assist you [10:55] ty MLanden :) [10:55] np,jago [10:56] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.250) joined ##slackware. [10:56] yo RadioHead:) [10:57] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:57] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [10:58] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left ##slackware. [10:58] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-182-099-213.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:59] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] bbl [11:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" [11:02] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [11:03] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-165-69.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:04] is there a way to list all the libs in slackware? [11:04] well a script or command? [11:04] hrm [11:05] ldconfig will list all the libs in use [11:05] otherwise, a find should be able to find them all [11:05] find /usr/{lib,local/lib} -name "*.so*" maybe? [11:06] you can add extra directories in the {}'s I believe [11:06] well, thats if {} will work [11:06] bhodgins: that would be missing some rather essential libs in /lib [11:06] if they havent been renamed to some wierd format [11:07] ldconfig -v | wc -l [11:07] 931 [11:08] jago_ (i=jago@c-71-194-14-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:08] <_RadioHead> heya BP{k} :) [11:08] _RadioHead: good afternoon : ) [11:09] <_RadioHead> BP{k}: how are you my friend? all ok there? :) [11:09] lol [11:09] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:10] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-74-9.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:10] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.92.174) left irc: "Leaving." [11:10] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Instantbird 0.1.3.1" [11:10] _RadioHead: not too bad, spodding gently, and enjoying the saturday afternoon. :) [11:12] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [11:12] <_RadioHead> BP{k}: finaly i can check livescore lol [11:15] _RadioHead: livescore? [11:16] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-221-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.187.104) joined ##slackware. [11:20] <_RadioHead> BP{k}: :) ah watching football scores :) [11:21] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200-219-110-89.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [11:21] _RadioHead: aah. [11:23] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.206.62) joined ##slackware. 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[11:38] but unzip foo.zip works [11:38] Lexus[away] (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [11:38] Lexus[away] (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Lexus[away] (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [11:39] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:40] <_RadioHead> MLanden: all :) but i like premier league :) but it was pity hofenhaim did not continue form they had :) [11:40] <_RadioHead> MLanden: i like hofenhaim in bundesliga :) [11:41] Cool t'hear,_Radiohead [11:41] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:42] ONe of Hoffenheii's players who played a key role in their success before Christmas was injured. Hoffenheim has not been the same since then. [11:42] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [11:43] <_RadioHead> gm152: yep,since there they goes slowly down [11:43] <_RadioHead> gm152: Ibiseviq [11:43] Too bad really, that little town was the talk of German football. [11:43] <_RadioHead> yes , but today they crashed badly [11:44] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.10.87) joined ##slackware. [11:44] <_RadioHead> :( [11:45] I'd say 4 nil loss. Hoffenheim hasn't won a game since Christmas if memory serves. [11:45] <_RadioHead> yes [11:45] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:45] <_RadioHead> gm152: who you support? :) [11:45] Manchester United. [11:46] sweet,gm152 [11:46] <_RadioHead> :) nooooooo [11:46] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-131-175.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] I knew I'd get some flak for that. :) [11:47] <_RadioHead> :) [11:47] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [11:47] You? [11:48] me [11:48] <_RadioHead> gm152: :)Liverpool [11:48] fuck liverpool [11:48] Quite the rivalry there! [11:48] <_RadioHead> gm152: :) yah haha [11:49] :\ [11:49] <_RadioHead> matsuura: all city or just fc :) lol [11:49] <_RadioHead> ? [11:49] don't speak to me in such... riddle..... [11:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Maybe Everton. :) [11:49] <_RadioHead> gm152: :) [11:50] <_RadioHead> matsuura: why not [11:50] :( [11:50] http://iku.tnl.jp/~matsuura/O_o.mp3 [11:51] <_RadioHead> gm152: @ least wolsburg hope will win league :) it will be interesting... [11:52] <_RadioHead> matsuura: did you solve riddle :P [11:52] probably not [11:52] I'd like to see that too, Radiohead. I was really impressed with Wolfsburg when they smoked Bayern Munich. [11:52] has something to do with some type of sport [11:52] maybe futball [11:53] <_RadioHead> yes and truly i like to breake into 4 new clubs , it is boring always to see big 4 in uk/de/es and it [11:54] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74E1A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:54] <_RadioHead> into top 4* [11:54] It was refreshing to see Werder Bremen win the Bundesliga a few years ago. [11:56] <_RadioHead> true [11:56] radi0head: Add Fr in there as Lyon won the last 8 titles but might not win this year. [11:57] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-42-107.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:57] <_RadioHead> gm152: forgot it totally :) and wish marsielle will win it. [11:57] Yes. :) [11:58] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:58] We won't mention the Scottish League. [11:59] <_RadioHead> gm152: u r scot? :) [11:59] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Nope. [11:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [11:59] <_RadioHead> scotish league is small though [12:00] Last team to break the Celtic/Rangers stranglehold was Aberdeen in the mid-eighties. Guess who coached that team? [12:00] <_RadioHead> fergie? [12:00] Yes. [12:00] <_RadioHead> lol [12:01] That was funny when I learned about that. [12:01] <_RadioHead> from all time i lie paisley :) and dalglish and now i like gus :) he probably will win cl his year [12:02] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-211.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [12:02] Guus will have to win the match against Barcelona. [12:03] He's already down a goal unless it ends up 0-0. [12:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:04] <_RadioHead> gm152: it will be very tough game , also man utd-arsenal [12:04] Yep, the semi-finals are gruelling. [12:05] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-42-107.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [12:07] <_RadioHead> damn tired here , going out for coffee [12:07] <_RadioHead> gm152: tomorrow man :) [12:07] radi0head: Have a good day! [12:08] <_RadioHead> thx man [12:08] Err, _RadioHead. [12:08] <_RadioHead> lol i need to change my nickname [12:08] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.250) left irc: "Leaving" [12:11] take care,folks....bbl [12:11] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-19.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [12:14] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-170-248.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:14] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:15] its a proixy [12:15] I've used it [12:16] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-151-93-65.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:16] well, not exactly.. [12:16] some proxy's dont cache [12:16] its a proxy that can cache [12:16] I dont believe socksd has caching lol [12:17] shoot wrong channel, stupid bitchx [12:17] rhleis (n=rhleiss@94.187.91.26) joined ##slackware. [12:18] grissiom (n=grissiom@123.119.72.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:18] black_messiah (n=strato@f049116047.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:22] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:23] bitchx is dieing, Slackware's changelog proves it :D [12:23] Pig_Pen :) [12:24] why would somebody use bitchx [12:24] or irsii [12:24] there is xchat [12:24] because xchat doesn't run in screen [12:24] bitchx sounds like a good name for an x-wife or x-girlfriend :D [12:24] black_messiah, And if you don't have X? [12:24] :) [12:25] If I don't have X, I probably wont be using the machine to chat from [12:26] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:26] irssi [12:26] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] i am installing slackware-8.1 in vbox, back when gnome-1.4 was the gnome [12:27] that was my first slackware [12:28] 8.0 was my first, but it is not available at the fast mirrors [12:28] timoyx (n=timoyx@120.28.232.5) joined ##slackware. [12:29] acidchi|d (i=spazter@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [12:29] :D [12:29] slack12.2 with vbox running slack8.1 [12:29] hi [12:29] hi acidchi|d [12:29] CAP8765 (n=ircap@39.Red-213-98-84.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:35] I have it, here [12:36] http://michielvwessem.wordpress.com/slackware/gnomedropped/ [12:36] BP{k}: :D hi [12:36] acidchi|d: howdo :) [12:37] N3mZ: "having gnome installed" is not the same thing as "Gnome is part of Slackware (wher Slackware counts in this case as >= 10.2) [12:37] ahh. never thaought like that [12:37] yeah but I did do a full install [12:38] BP{k}: excellent :D [12:38] yourself? [12:38] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [12:38] acidchi|d: pretty decent :) [12:38] hehe, i moved in to my new place yesterday [12:39] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] and got a new bed :) first time i've slept on a real bed in 1 1/2 years [12:39] acidchi|d: nice :) [12:39] hehe [12:39] bbl [12:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [12:40] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] black_messiah (n=strato@f049116047.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [12:47] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:48] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] cool I have the latest revision of my svn repo [12:49] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.92.34) left irc: "leaving" [12:49] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.220.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:49] souphead (n=souphead@124.6.185.236) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-74-9.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [12:50] I've never really used gnome [12:50] I tried it for like maybe a week once... [12:50] Fluxbox / ratpoison / cli FTW! [12:51] I also used ion3 for a couple of week [12:51] weeks* [12:51] cli definitely ftw, although don't try to make your terminal into a window manager. :P [12:51] that was nice -- what stopped me was needing a mouse for my browser [12:51] but now.. [12:51] I use vimperator [12:51] ugh, gnome isnt horrible ON slackware, its horrible FOR it [12:51] so hmm, maybe I could go back to ion3 [12:51] i quit liking gnome after gnome-1.4 was retired [12:51] btw, for xfce 4.6 people [12:51] Where di the "Autostart applciations" go? [12:51] It disappeared from the menu [12:52] valvola (n=fabiovio@host247-175-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:52] xfce is at 4.6? whered xfce 1 go? [12:52] :D [12:54] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-74-9.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:56] someone on #linux just asked if he could make a socks proxy using ssh -d... [12:56] lol [12:57] come just want to hack gibsons [12:57] can't blame them [12:57] :( [12:57] next thing you know, he'll want a shell for psybnc or something rediculous [12:57] Lexus[away] (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [13:00] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.92.34) joined ##slackware. [13:00] I am SO glad I decided to use subversion for my cms, I even like it better than using git with it [13:01] OHHh [13:01] lies [13:01] so that's why Xfce 4.6 remapped alt-F5 for full-screen [13:01] they added a "fill window" and mapped it to F5 [13:01] Plus, it doesn't commit the backup files vim creates [13:01] lol [13:01] f11 usualy works I thought... [13:02] TRaLai1 (n=teera@ppp-124-120-209-105.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [13:03] bhodgins: that's a 1-line fix in git [13:04] gits nice, but its a bit overkill for a small php project [13:04] and svn isn't? [13:05] TRaLai1 (n=teera@ppp-124-120-209-105.revip2.asianet.co.th) left ##slackware. [13:05] no. [13:05] what makes git over-kill, but git not? [13:05] hmm, that's the question :) [13:05] Action: thrice` walks away with head down [13:06] hmmmmm, git: 'over-kill' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'. [13:06] ='( [13:06] I used to set up gitweb and everything, branches, etc. svn just sems to work well without the verbosity or anything, small commands and it just does it and its done. LMAO [13:06] svn is all fun and games until you try to make branches [13:06] you should try hg then [13:07] The project I am working on uses bzr. [13:07] you could use rcs XD [13:08] I don't have much need to make branches really [13:09] N3mZ (i=501@unaffiliated/nemesis128) left ##slackware ("--> []"). [13:10] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:11] dios_mio (i=test@88.244.194.229) joined ##slackware. [13:11] does one have to allow one's range extender's MAC when securing wireless? [13:19] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200-219-85-138.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:21] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [13:23] Gayannnn (n=root@112.135.207.199) joined ##slackware. [13:23] hi all slackers ... [13:24] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.209) joined ##slackware. [13:24] hello [13:25] hi [13:25] i need some help ... here ...is it a good time [13:25] :) [13:26] Gayannnn: it is good to state what your problem is and if someone knows how or wants to, they will help [13:26] rhleis (n=rhleiss@94.187.91.26) left ##slackware. [13:27] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) joined ##slackware. [13:27] sure ... [13:27] tks [13:27] ok [13:27] back to stuff [13:29] I have a dell laptop c810 , My touchpad used to work , but sometimes it just doesnt work at all . Once when i had this problem i used xorgconfig and it was solved but this time i couldnt . I even re-installed slackware 12.1 thinking that i might have done something by mistake but the problem still lies their [13:34] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-5-142.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-144-233.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-174-254.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:35] has anyone got wordpress running on slack? what is the trick? [13:36] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-151-93-65.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:38] Gayannnn (n=root@112.135.207.199) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:38] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.92.34) left irc: "leaving" [13:41] this might be a general LAMP problem - the script seems not to load or retain its innitial class array [13:42] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [13:42] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-56-103.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:43] Total stab-in-the-dark: does wordpress use globals? Is your php.conf file set up to use globals? [13:44] gem_cat: [13:44] i/ve ran:) [13:44] i've* [13:44] but it was quit long time ago [13:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:45] firebird619: good afternoon :) [13:45] i don't remember everything in details. but if i'm not mistaken, everything worked well [13:45] BP{k}: Good afternoon. How are you? [13:45] I just enabled everything in config except ssl [13:46] but I will look for Globals [13:46] firebird619: not too bad. Helping kethry with the garden a little bit. [13:47] my install works on the backend but the frontend is dead, no mainpage at all [13:47] BP{k}, old speckled hen @ £1 a can @ sainsburys [13:47] Gayannnn (i=0@112.135.201.3) joined ##slackware. [13:47] BP{k}: Do you have a big garden? [13:48] dive: nice! :) dammit that would require to go into town. But I've got a 750 mil bottle of Hoegaarden in the fridge :) [13:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:48] firebird619: reasonably, about 8x6 meters directly behind and 14x4 meters at the side, both mostly taken up by wedgetable beds [13:49] gives error Class 'WP_Dependencies' not found in /var~ maybe it is trying to write where it cannot [13:49] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:49] mm.. maybe [13:49] Hmm, what the world, there's another join for firebird619 at 12:41 that's cloaked, yet when I joined first, I didn't have my cloak. [13:49] check the owners [13:50] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200-219-85-138.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:52] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200-219-106-71.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:52] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:52] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.248) joined ##slackware. [13:54] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [13:54] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:55] jay_ (n=jay@adsl-71-153-130-65.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-131-175.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:58] hi all [13:58] Hello Gayannnn. How are you> [13:58] s/>/? [13:58] Hi [13:58] do u knw hw i could get my touchpad workin ? [13:59] Gayannnn: What is wrong with it, it isn't working at all? [14:00] oh, vt switch works correctly :) [14:01] Hey Camarade_Tux. How are you? [14:01] yeah its not working at all ... once i got it to wrok when i had the same issue ... But this time when i run xorgconfig it wont fix it self ... [14:01] The only reason I have to hate php for is when it reports the error as being 30 lines down the file than it actualy is [14:01] hi firebird619, going pretty well, and you ? :) [14:01] lol [14:01] Camarade_Tux: doing great, Thanks. [14:01] Hey, Its Comarade Tux! [14:01] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [14:02] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:02] bhodgins :) [14:02] Gayannnn: Do you have the synaptics driver installed? What model laptop is it? [14:03] woh3 (n=woh3@76.4.244.139) joined ##slackware. [14:03] its a dell c810 , btw how do i check if the synaptics driver is installed ? [14:04] Action: antler wonders whether the 'b' in ' bhodgins ' is for 'bobo' [14:04] Gayannnn: There may be another way, but I think you can try this, "ls /var/log/packages | grep synaptics" [14:04] there is a town about 75 miles east of where i live named hodgins [14:04] Hi antler. How's it going? [14:04] Hi Pig_Pen. [14:05] hi firebird619 [14:05] Pig_Pen: How's your day going? [14:05] good [14:05] you doing good firebird619 ? [14:05] howdy, firebird619. i am well, how art thou? :P [14:06] jay_ (n=jay@adsl-71-153-130-65.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:06] antler: I art good. :P [14:06] :D [14:08] steppenmaus (n=greymaus@86.46.243.233) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:08] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-175-32.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:09] greymaus_ (n=greymaus@86.46.248.17) joined ##slackware. [14:09] its not thr ... [14:09] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-5-142.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Vanishes with a small pop" [14:10] Antler? easy [14:10] Gayannnn: Ok, you'll need to install that then. I actually have to step away from the pc for a little bit, I'm sure someone else can help you with that. [14:10] isnt synaptics part of xorg? [14:10] Pig_Pen: The one with slack is for xf86. [14:10] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.28) joined ##slackware. [14:10] k [14:11] Gayannnn (i=0@112.135.201.3) left irc: "Leaving" [14:11] Could someone help Gayannnn out though, I have to step afk for a bit. Non-working touchpad on Dell C810. [14:11] soo... he needs to go to xorg's website and get a different synaptics package?? [14:11] http://tinyurl.com/9ct752 [14:11] thats what the b stands for since you asked [14:12] nice wood plaque [14:12] :) [14:13] jota-__ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. 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[14:19] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:19] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:19] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:20] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200-219-106-71.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:20] Nick change: eddie_ -> eddie_grey [14:20] might help if I used the smp one **rolls eytes [14:22] I think I'll see ifI cant get a pinball game to work and use hdaps as the tilt :D [14:22] maddslacker (n=corey@c-24-9-181-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:24] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-47.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:24] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [14:24] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:26] even better, neverball. could you imagine? [14:27] Nick change: pesartain -> pes_away [14:27] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:27] pes_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [14:27] hey, what's a decent gui disk partitioner like gparted for slack/kde4? [14:27] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:27] you do not like gparted? [14:28] i do, but don't feel like installing gtk [14:28] and it looks like qtparted is out of date :( [14:28] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-175-32.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:28] try the live cd [14:28] and how does that help me to partition an external drive from within slackware? [14:29] Action: maddslacker is very aware of live CD's, that wasn't the question [14:29] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-19.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] why dont you have gtk? it comes with slackware if you install the libraries. [14:29] hmm, lemme check [14:29] Heya,folks [14:29] Hey MLanden. How are you? [14:29] hello MLanden [14:29] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Hi twolf [14:29] hi firebird619 [14:29] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-131-112.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Fine thanks firebird619 and how're you? [14:30] hmm, bhodgins yeah it's there, I bet it's a lib version issue that I can fix with a symlink [14:30] heya,twolf [14:30] MLanden: Doing great, thanks. [14:30] Sounds good,firebird619 [14:30] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] maddslacker: partitionmanager is for kde4, gparted works fine though (=> SBo) [14:31] pprkut, i'll check that out, thanks [14:32] dang! i was running an instance of slackware8.1 in vbox and wanted to kill x in it and did ctrl alt backspace and killed the real X in the host OS slack12.2 [14:32] fail [14:32] ouch [14:33] **OUCH**,Pig_Pen [14:33] yeah, big time [14:33] jota-__ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:33] heh, I'd like to say I've never done that \ [14:33] << [14:33] >> [14:33] startx work? [14:33] simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Pig_Pen: yeah, ctrl + alt + backspace doesn't work in Vbox. I don't think there's a way to get it to work either. [14:33] nostalga, i got gnome-1.4, enlighenment, some old version of xfce, i can even surf the internet with mozilla-1.0 [14:34] yeah X works and internet [14:34] no audio [14:34] Pig_Pen: that's why there's a "Insert Ctrl+Alt+Backspace" in the menu ;) [14:34] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:34] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Pig_Pen: it even has a shortcut [14:34] pprkut: heh, I didn't know about that one. I'll have to remember that. :) [14:34] pprkut, i'm not finding partition manager, is it a kde app or third party [14:34] ? [14:34] i will have to look at that [14:34] echo Hello, world! [14:35] Hello l4m4_m4n. How are you? [14:35] bhodgins: haha [14:35] dogsoul (n=Viralata@190.166.175.230) joined ##slackware. [14:35] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [14:35] it was running in full screen and i basically forget it was vbox [14:35] ;p [14:35] firebird619: I am gooooooood! You? [14:36] :) [14:36] maddslacker: http://sourceforge.net/projects/partitionman/ [14:36] thanks [14:36] i may have gparted here in a minute, I had to install gtkmm [14:37] l4m4_m4n: doing great, thanks. [14:39] by now you could have just used fdisk and been done with it [14:40] cfdisk is friendly :) [14:40] yea, but this is my wife's digital camera cf flash, I want to be be very sure what I'm doing, as in see it [14:40] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] yeah, I prefer cfdisk over fdisk [14:41] a camera flash thing, doesnt the camera have its own built in tool to do that, even my cheap camera does that [14:42] yes, but it's failing, so I want to run some tests on it to see if it's salvagable [14:43] or if I should toss it [14:43] so I will format it in Linux, where I can see some real errors thrown if there are some, and if it works, see if the camera will use it again [14:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:46] What make of camera is it,maddslacker? [14:46] MLanden, Canon digital SLR (350D) [14:47] i wish it used SD, but oh well [14:47] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl11-63-74.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:47] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:47] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:47] does anyone here have experience with the go program glGo? [14:47] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Connection timed out [14:48] never heard of it, sorry [14:50] thinking of a rockbox-like alternative for digital cameras...shame it doesn't use SDs. If it did, might be able to try CHDK( addon firmware) [14:51] yeah [14:51] the newer model of it does use sd, and her laptop has a built-in sd reader, I just don't have $5000 to buy the new casmera...heh [14:51] *camera [14:51] MLanden: You need an SD card for CHDK, I thought you just needed a supported Canon Camera. [14:52] is ok, I now have my choice of partition manager and gparted [14:52] I just needed to grab a bunch of libs for gparted [14:52] dunno,firebird619..you might be right [14:53] MLanden: I don't think you need a certain card, you just need a supported camera. [14:53] I bought a really awesome cardbus cf reader for her old laptop, but her new laptop has the expresscard slot, so now have to buy another reader [14:53] Action: maddslacker is confused [14:54] MLanden: Doesn't look like his camera is supported though. [14:54] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-215-133-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] maddslacker: don't worry, we all get confused sometimes. [14:55] :P [14:55] yeah, this camera takes CF not SD [14:55] heh [14:55] maddslacker: Yes, but you don't need a certain type of card for chdk, just a supported camera. [14:55] the newer model of the same camera takes SD, but I'm not about to replace it for that reason alone [14:55] oh, gotcha [14:56] maddslacker: yeah, not reason to replace the camera just to use a different card. DSLR's are not by any means cheap. :) [14:56] that's all moot anyway, she uses Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom, so she's not running linux anyway [14:56] firebird619, exactly [14:56] :( no linux. :P [14:56] my little kodak uses SD and I can read off the card reader and edit in Gimp to suit my needs [14:57] maddslacker: Yeah, same here, I have a nice camera that uses SD, I use gimp and other linux tools and it's amazing what you can do with the tools available in linux. [14:57] yup [14:57] maddslacker: maybe someday your dslr will be supported and you can use chdk. :) [14:58] I mean, I can't do what she can do in Ps CS4, but I can do enough to suit my needs [14:58] maddslacker: Yeah, gimp is quite powerful though. There's alot of nice tutorials on the net also for it. [14:58] maddslacker: What error did you get when trying to format the card in the camera? I'm just curious. [14:59] firebird619, it prevents the camera from coming on at all [14:59] the card does? but without the card, it works fine? [14:59] just reformatted it in gparted, about to go try it, [14:59] yeah, with her other card it works fine [14:59] ok, let me know if it works. You formatted it with the right file system didn't you? Just a reminder. :) [15:00] heh, yeah...good ol' fat16 [15:00] good luck,maddslacker [15:00] maddslacker: ok, because a ext3 or something wouldn't work with that. :) [15:00] abd btwm I'm not about to run an alt firmware on the dslr, that's just begging to get thrown out of the house! [15:00] firebird619, ya think? ;) [15:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:01] maddslacker: haha, yes, I do. :) [15:01] I think now and then anyway. [15:01] U-Neeks (n=hell@201-24-53-242.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [15:01] amunra__ (i=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:02] maddslacker: Yeah, I see what you mean with the firmware, but chdk can really do some neat things. I've never used it myself, but heard/read great things about it. [15:02] welp, "CF Error" [15:02] :* [15:02] :( [15:02] i think I will toss it in the trash and order a 4GB one to replace it [15:02] maddslacker: anything other than just CF error? [15:02] How long you had the card? [15:02] sorry on that input,maddslacker [15:02] it's only the 512mb that came with it so no great loss [15:02] ^^ [15:03] Ah, no, get a 4 GB. :P [15:03] exactly [15:03] maddslacker: I still have a 128 MB CF card. :P [15:03] it was worth a quick look, but not serious effort [15:03] heh [15:03] maddslacker: No, those things are quite cheap these days for alot of space. [15:03] yup [15:03] and the older ones did die after a while [15:03] maddslacker: I got 2 8GB for $14.99 a few months back. [15:04] SD cards [15:04] nice [15:04] Hey acidchi|d. How are you? [15:04] the cf card I want for this is like $40 [15:04] firebird619: excellent thanks :-) [15:04] maddslacker: check newegg? [15:04] it's 4GB and uber fast for rapid fire pic taking [15:04] firebird619, yeah, cf cards are a ripoff [15:04] acidchi|d: good to hear. Get any further with that Vbox usb issue? [15:05] the 4GB SD in my camera and cell phone were like $17 for class 6 [15:05] firebird619: nar. [15:05] maddslacker: Yeah, too bad there isn't a CF adapter that you can use with a SD card. Sort of like the microSD cards with the SD adapter. :P [15:05] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.81) joined ##slackware. [15:06] firebird619, yeah, that would be awesome [15:06] is wood expensive? [15:06] maddslacker: No doubt. Invent it, get rich. :P [15:06] but I think the format on the card is differrent, not just the form factor [15:06] lol [15:06] maddslacker: yeah, probably. [15:06] greymaus_ (n=greymaus@86.46.248.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:06] i've seen these legs for a table... just need to build a top [15:06] never ever bought wood ;/ [15:06] I got a 4 GB microSD card for $7.99. Those things are cheap, it's great. [15:07] ones in that pricde range tend to be slow though [15:07] not really [15:07] ok for mp3 players and phones, but not for high end cameras [15:07] maddslacker: Class 6. It sure is fast for me. [15:07] class 6 for $7.99? that is a good deal [15:07] yes [15:07] nice [15:08] my class 6 micro with adapter was $17.99 but that was a while ago [15:08] maddslacker: NewEgg has a Kingston 8MB write/10MB read for $12.99. [15:08] 4 GB size [15:09] the transcend one? [15:09] looking at that now [15:09] the kingston 133x one is even better [15:10] http://www.amazon.com/Premiertek-Card-Compact-Flash-Adapter/dp/B000NVD1ZW Is this what y'all are talking 'bout? [15:10] this is the one I was looking at previously: [15:10] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171340 [15:10] maddslacker: The one I seen was a Kingston Brand. [15:11] MLanden, hmmmmm [15:11] Pig_Pen: lol i hate it when i do that [15:11] maddslacker: There's a Kingston 16GB 133x for #34.99 [15:11] valvola (n=fabiovio@host247-175-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:11] firebird619, look at my lonk [15:11] link [15:11] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-144-233.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:12] maddslacker: ok [15:12] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:12] that card is what the pros use [15:12] so might as well fork over for it [15:12] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-209-253.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] MLanden: Yeah, that's exactly it. [15:13] maddslacker: look at MLanden's link [15:13] firebird619, I did, out of stock, but intriguing enough to look around [15:13] for another like it [15:13] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4db3815c.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Good find MLanden. I didn't know they had such a think. [15:13] s/think/thing [15:13] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [15:14] i didn't either [15:14] np,folks [15:14] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:14] maddslacker: who knows, maybe newegg has one. :P [15:15] that ridata 266x one looke decent [15:16] maddslacker: http://www.delkin.com/products/adapters/sd-to-cf/sd-to-cf.html [15:16] http://www.amazon.com/SDHC-Compact-Adapter-Professional-Digital/dp/B001DKO7R8/ref=pd_cp_e_1?pf_rd_p=413863501&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000NVD1ZW&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=00V42YD8X26N5DGYS8FQ [15:16] same thing, I think [15:17] heh, for $12, I have a houseful of sd cards, and she could pop the sd directly into her laptop port [15:17] maddslacker: only 4 left, buy now, buy now. :) [15:17] :P [15:17] heh [15:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [15:17] reading reviews first [15:17] maddslacker: or check ebay too. Maybe some cheap deals. [15:18] Thurin1 (i=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] theoffset (n=ismael@201-130-203-252-cable.cybercable.net.mx) joined ##slackware. [15:19] holy shipping! [15:20] maybe I should check local [15:20] haha [15:22] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] hey, re: top, how is " load average: 0.57, 0.79, 0.71 " read ? [15:23] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:24] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-121-110.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:24] is '0.57' 57%? and similarly for the others? if so, why are there three readings? [15:27] cf adapter is ordered, will be here in 3-5 days [15:27] thanks again MLanden [15:27] antler: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9001 second paragraph. [15:27] maddslacker: sweet, that will come in handy. [15:27] np,maddslacker [15:27] MLanden saves the day. :) [15:28] yeah, I seriously have 1/2 a dozen sd cards around from various phone, old kodak camera, etc [15:28] who me? [15:28] yup. :P [15:28] it actually solves two issues, no I don;t need to by the express slot cf reader either :D [15:28] firebird619: omg. i did not know that. hahah thanks :) [15:28] antler: yw [15:29] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.206.62) left ##slackware. [15:29] maddslacker: It's a win win. :) [15:29] heh, people who purchased this item also purchased the new cd "Halestorm" which I of course downloaded a week before it came out [15:29] firebird619, it really is! [15:29] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host14-93-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: ""Muovendosi cambia" - Sbancor" [15:30] maddslacker: and, now we know such an adapter exists. [15:30] exactly [15:30] no need to invent it though [15:30] Action: chopp throws a smoke bomb at antiwire. [15:30] or profit I mean [15:31] All but one of the camera's I've ever had has used an SD card, so I never had a need to look around for things like that. [15:31] *pooph* [15:31] hey, do you all have the freaky bootsplach icon [15:31] Action: firebird619 starts coughing from bomb. chopp, you missed. :P [15:31] that replaced tux [15:31] maddslacker: Tuz [15:31] antiwire, yeah [15:31] maddslacker: In the 2.6.29 series kernel, tuz replaced tux. [15:31] I read the purpose, but it's still freaky looking [15:32] firebird619, yeah, I read about it on linus' blog [15:32] Linux is a freakish OS. [15:32] still freaky looking though [15:32] maddslacker: Yeah, that's where I read it too. [15:33] thats very freakish [15:33] wtf is that?! [15:33] tazmanian devil with a penguin bill mask [15:34] haha [15:34] Tux's and Taz's lovechild...:D [15:34] heh [15:35] indeed,freakish [15:35] acidchi|d: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2893428869.html [15:36] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [15:36] eddie_ (n=eddie@200-219-97-226.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:36] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200-219-124-164.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:36] Nick change: eddie_ -> eddie_grey [15:37] i getz cheezeburger NOW http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/files/imagecache/news/files/20070220_devil.jpg [15:38] What a view from the sears tower: http://www.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sp21019l97381.jpg [15:38] heh, nice [15:40] paissad (n=paissad@106.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] kde 4.2.2 seems to be running really well for me [15:43] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:44] Lexus[away] (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [15:46] souphead (n=souphead@124.6.185.236) left irc: Connection timed out [15:46] souphead (n=souphead@203.177.179.215) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Herman (n=Hermann@h10n3c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] this one has been floating around for a while http://img145.echo.cx/img145/9760/empirebulb6rd.jpg [15:52] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-71-241-211-201.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:52] antiwire: wow, nice. [15:52] whoah,they're really UP there...>:o [15:53] antiwire: The thing I'd hate is to be the cameraman and drop my camera. :P [15:53] hahaha [15:53] if you fall off from there you'd die by landing on the roof of another building! lmao [15:53] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-47.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:53] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-75.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] yeah, what a way to go.' [15:54] every bone would probably be broken. [15:54] what bones?!? [15:55] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-151-93-65.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:55] the last thing to go through your mind, your butt [15:55] hahaha [15:55] literally [15:55] lol,chopp [15:56] I wonder if either of them two are thinking "Don't look down, Don't look down." [15:56] i'd love that job [15:57] i don't have a heights problem at all so that job would totally kickass. get a nice workout climbing up towers [15:57] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] Draenei (n=Draenei@93-136-88-93.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:58] the first trip to the crown on a drilling rig when I started roughnecking is a good memory. Not quite as high though. :P [15:58] antiwire: yeah, I don't have a heights problem either. [15:58] that would be cool [15:58] chopp: was that out in the sea? [15:59] or one of those crazy rigs in the badlands? [15:59] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] antiwire: no I never worked offshore, wish I had. [16:00] I did drill some wells in the badlands yup. [16:00] that's hardcore work [16:00] chopp: ever seen that show on tv that follows the different drilling rigs in texas? It's an interesting show to watch. [16:00] I forget the name though. [16:01] firebird619: no I've not. I would like to though. [16:02] chopp: If I remember the name, I'll let you know. It's on the same channel and created by the same guys that created "The Deadliest Catch". [16:02] firebird619: sure that would be awsome. [16:02] that would be discovery [16:03] maddslacker: yes, I just can't remember the name of the show. I'm googling. [16:03] Oh wait, I think it's "Black Gold" [16:03] Yup, "Black Gold" [16:03] right on thanks. [16:04] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:04] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:05] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:05] damn this is awsome. http://www.trutv.com/shows/black_gold/ [16:06] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] firebird619, the fastest sd cards aren't as fast as the cf cards, I bet that's why canon took so long to switch [16:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SD_Speed_Class_Ratings [16:12] theoffset (n=ismael@201-130-203-252-cable.cybercable.net.mx) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash#Speed [16:15] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:15] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-211.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] eddie_ (n=eddie@200-219-111-91.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:16] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200-219-97-226.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:16] Nick change: eddie_ -> eddie_grey [16:16] has anybody installed Call of Duty 1 with wine on Slackware? [16:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:19] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [16:19] MorgothBauglir (n=RJ@122.161.108.92) left irc: Client Quit [16:19] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@36.119.79.69.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [16:19] maddslacker: I'm sure that's the reason. Went for speed instead of smaller form factor [16:20] yup [16:20] a LOT more speed [16:21] Aren't CFs more durable too? [16:21] you can also get CF hard disks [16:21] chopp: I had watched the entire first season of it, and then forgot about it once the season was done until you mentioned roughnecking. [16:21] cf are no more or less durable than sd [16:22] They may look more durable being bigger, thicker, but I don't think they are any more durable either. [16:23] i've run sd through the wash and dryer and they still work [16:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:23] http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/02/199203 it's a bit late for april fool's jokes ;) [16:23] maddslacker: I've never done that before. [16:23] i didn't exactly intend to [16:23] :D [16:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:23] maddslacker: Nope, but accidents happen. [16:27] maddslacker, from Wikipedia: "CF cards are considered more rugged and durable to many "in the field" photographic shocks, impacts and accidents. CompactFlash cards are capable of withstanding more physical damage in comparison to other, flimsier designs." [16:28] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [16:28] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:28] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] greetings and salutations [16:28] ccfreak2k: nice find. [16:28] greetings andarius. How are you? [16:28] salutations and greetings [16:28] salutations firebird619. i am well. you ? [16:28] andarius: I am doing great. Thank you. [16:29] ccfreak2k, sd wasn't one of the formats around in 94 when cf came out, i think sd is every bit as rugged as cf [16:30] heh, her camera supports cf microdrives [16:31] Action: Camarade_Tux probably has the flu [16:32] Camarade_Tux: that's to bad. Regular flu or the swine flu? :) [16:33] firebird619, I don't know yet, we'll see in a few days ;) [16:34] Camarade_Tux: Hope you get better soon. :) [16:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat074.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:35] actually it's probably only a small cold but it's much funnier to call it flu nowadays ;p [16:35] Sorry to hear 'bout it,Camarade_Tux [16:36] wow. slackware 9.0 is old. [16:36] no firefox. 0_o [16:37] skibur: I installed CoD2 and CoD [16:37] skibur: CoD4, that is [16:37] hum... [16:37] skibur: I had to patch wine, and rebuild it [16:37] I'm having trouble with COD [16:37] skibur: I never tried CoD [16:38] what o ok [16:38] skibur: 2 and 4 worked great, however. [16:38] what version of wine do you have? [16:38] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-43-54-214.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:38] that was 6 months ago, I had grabbed the latest svn snapshot. [16:38] o ok [16:38] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. 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[17:43] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [17:43] /..jorhoj zhrgiôejhgivhjneziohfgorheighorhe [17:43] yeah, the answer will depend on who you ask ;) [17:44] ask jeeves [17:44] jeev: reiserfs or I'll F***kin k*ll ya :) [17:45] Pig_Pen: where is jeeves ? [17:45] :D [17:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:48] well, I'm being forced : XFS ! [17:48] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:48] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:49] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.33.47) joined ##slackware. [17:49] this rainy weather makes me sleepy, i already took two naps today [17:50] i gotta get a cup of coffee before i fall asleep again [17:50] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! 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[17:56] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:56] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@36.119.79.69.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:56] he probably got beaten up by a bunch of ms-windows fanboys ;p [17:57] if i want to install from [17:57] http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware/slackware/ [17:57] i use ftp/http, right [17:57] http is better, ftp is a dinosaur [17:58] yea but when i set it, it wgets file not found [17:58] grr [17:58] where are you located jeev [17:58] los angeles. [17:59] try oregon state university, should be fast from LA [17:59] but USC is 10 miles away [17:59] ;D [17:59] i get 1600kb/s [17:59] ok [17:59] sweet,jeev [17:59] i wish i got internet speeds like that [17:59] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:00] i get 3300kb/s sometimes [18:00] lucky [18:00] i uncapped my modems after my POS cable company wo uldn't deliver what they promise [18:00] Where's USC? [18:00] so i just pay them back for stealing from me. [18:00] southern cali [18:00] i dont get nowhere near that fast, i get about 400 [18:00] Oh, Santa Cruz? [18:00] USC is a pretty big name school.. i guess only in Los Angeles [18:00] no! [18:00] www.usc.edu [18:00] Channel flood from jeev -- kicking [18:00] in down town LA [18:00] jeev kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:00] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [18:00] hehe [18:00] lol [18:00] 10 miles from UCLA [18:00] I think that's UCSC. [18:01] santa cruz is ucsc i think [18:01] Banana slugs! [18:01] ok now it's going! [18:01] if those cheapskates at oklahoma state university would host some Linux distros i would be happy [18:01] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:01] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] heh usc is the "rich kids" school, ucla is the "most people are on financial aid" school [18:01] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-151-93-65.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:02] harjar (n=oddharja@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: "leaving" [18:02] frankly i went to usc, not cause of monies.. [18:02] but both are stupid [18:02] anyway, i'm escaping freebsd on 3 of these servers which i actually dont have in front of me ;D [18:02] it seems it doesn't like the nvidia sata controller.. [18:02] wine 1.1.18 seems to work pretty well, in 64-bit mode actually [18:02] atapci2: port 0x9e0-0x9e7,0xbe0-0xbe3,0x960-0x967,0xb60-0xb63,0xbc00-0xbc0f mem 0xfeafc000-0xfeafcfff irq 21 at device 8.0 on pci0 [18:03] it was working on centos without a hitch.. centos is wack. [18:03] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:04] slackware is the only Linux i really really like, if not for slackware i would probably take my PC out to the back yard and shoot it [18:04] yep [18:04] well, i run windows at home cause i'm so used to it.. [18:05] distros like cent, debian, just annoy the hell out of me [18:05] yea [18:06] Pig_Pen, I'd really like to see that ;p [18:06] i sometimes run win2k with vbox, but if it gets trashed i can just rm -r ~/.VirtualBox and restart VirtualBox and reinstall [18:07] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-121-110.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:07] but i would never run ms-windows in a real install, i dont trust it [18:08] U-Neeks (i=555@201-88-28-101.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-121-110.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:09] I can't run windows xchat from wine64 since it's a 32bit binary ='( [18:09] Action: Camarade_Tux is feeling silly tonight ;) [18:09] lol [18:09] at Pig_Pen [18:09] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:09] install seamonkey it has an irc client [18:09] uva (i=bno@118-168-236-130.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:10] or firefox+chatzilla [18:10] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:10] that will work too [18:10] xchat under slackware is ok too ;) [18:10] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [18:11] does linus visit reiser? [18:12] xchat is nice, it has some good features, konversation is good too, that damn kopete is awful, kde is a decent desktop but the apps they bundle with it suck mostly, kde-multimedia, kde-network (kde-graphics is not too bad though [18:12] i doubt linus visits reiser [18:12] yeah, kde-graphics is good but multimedia and network... [18:13] wine64 still need some work I guess [18:14] Pig_Pen: I grew fond of quassel the last few weeks [18:14] quassel? [18:14] http://www.quassel-irc.org/ [18:14] i guess google chrome is not available for win2k, (only newer) [18:16] quassel looks a lot like xchat it seems [18:17] can you change the background color and font color in quassel? i like a black background with white font [18:20] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: "leaving" [18:20] hmm, I don't think so, at least not yet. The functionality is there I think, it's just not configurable. [18:21] it should obey kde's color scheme though [18:22] wow, what is file system in userspace library ? [18:22] hald [18:22] wtf ar ethese things heh [18:22] fuse ? [18:23] and me->bed [18:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-74-9.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:23] yea [18:23] heh [18:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-74-9.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:23] lol [18:23] but xchat is going to stay connected ;) [18:25] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-75.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:28] take care,folks...bbiab [18:28] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-19.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:30] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl11-63-74.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [18:31] maddslacker (n=corey@c-24-9-181-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:39] LinuxyErin (n=erin@75.35.181.176) joined ##slackware. [18:40] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:04] RJz0r (n=taterz@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Changing server" [19:06] rhleis: sometimes, you might need point your LIB path to where ever the header file is [19:06] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] does anyone have the link to Alan_Hicks' 'Networking 101' write up? [19:09] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [19:10] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-148.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:11] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-148.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-131-112.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:13] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-170-238.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.81) left irc: "Leaving." [19:13] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [19:17] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl11-63-74.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:18] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:21] http://www.lizella.net/networking_101.txt its amazing what a quick google search will accomplish! [19:21] ... [19:21] i already found it [19:22] but next time i'llbe sure to report back to you [19:22] you know..to keep you informed [19:22] system of a down rocks. [19:22] :D [19:22] eating seeds! [19:23] antiwire, it did.. a long time ago [19:24] acidchil1, it did.. a long time ago [19:25] they still do :D [19:25] naa [19:25] to much comercial now [19:26] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:26] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-71-241-211-201.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] huh. now 75% of the time I connect to my hom enetwork, I kernel panic [19:27] RJz0r (n=taterz@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] its just so odd because its only my network that does it [19:27] LnxSlck: like all things :-) [19:28] acidchil1, yeah.. music is better when it's done for fun, not money [19:28] some time ago a chick burnt and dropped off her entire music collections. [19:28] i'm away from my harddrive atm :( [19:28] but it was nice to find some music on here that wasn't ghey [19:28] they are all DVD's of mp3's [19:28] like 40 of them [19:29] that girl was creepie, she was a music teacher in her early 30's [19:29] epic stalker creep [19:29] ;/ [19:29] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-121-110.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [19:29] lol [19:29] woah spam [19:29] she posted my number on craigslist and shit [19:29] she was so... mmmm 'heart broken' [19:29] lololol [19:30] bhodgins: i only see one line of spam... "(19:29) < bhodgins> woah spam" do you see it too? [19:30] lmao [19:30] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] :) [19:30] for stolen WiFi this is pretty damn quick [19:31] i got 5Mbps down and .3Mbps up [19:31] dude, it wasnt long ago when someone sent a notice on freenode with the spam logo in color ascii [19:31] for the fake meat spam** [19:31] was hilarious [19:31] :P [19:32] omg, my friend set me up at my universities wireless, I was getting 15mbit download speed, not just in tests! I downloaded a 700 mb file in just a couple minutes. [19:32] on wireless [19:32] I was like WHAT!? [19:32] acidchi|d: aha! [19:32] acidchi|d: You at the new place eh? [19:33] yep [19:33] sweet [19:33] hehe [19:33] acidchi|d: btw.. pf is nice, but it pisses me off :) [19:33] bhodgins: hooking up 125mbit up and down this comming week :-) [19:33] acidchi|d: Oh you got all the equipment? [19:33] its comming :-) [19:33] awesome [19:33] consumer internet broadband is oversold, were supposed to be getting 1 megabit here, but i get about a little more than half that [19:34] i'm in the process of tracking down furniture :-) [19:34] haha [19:34] like that new bed? [19:34] i need a desk, (which i think i've found) [19:34] i got a new bed yesterday1 :D [19:34] ahhh [19:34] :D:D [19:34] new place? [19:34] was the best nights sleep i've had in a while =) [19:34] acidchi|d: yeah.. now Dan can suck your dick right?.. in a matter of speaking.. not really suck it lol [19:34] ew ;/ [19:34] but yes ;) [19:34] hehe [19:34] lmao [19:35] read your pm matt ;) [19:35] shush [19:35] hehehehe [19:35] Channel flood from acidchi|d -- kicking [19:35] imagin that? ;) [19:35] acidchi|d kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:35] acidchi|d (i=spazter@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [19:35] :D [19:35] acidchi|d: yeah I can imagine that [19:35] Dominian: then i could light up all that fiber ;> [19:35] woot [19:35] and turn it in to a real datacenter [19:35] non of this pussy shit [19:35] hehe [19:37] invest 500k or so in the noc area [19:37] Action: Dominian nods [19:37] and maybe 2m in the rest of the building [19:37] acidchi|d: I wanted to tell you too I added some cronjobs on spy [19:37] cool :-) [19:37] all email related stuff [19:37] i guessed :-) [19:37] however.. [19:37] one thing irks me [19:37] pkgsrc's clamav is way out of date [19:37] pkgsrc has diffrent degrees of stability [19:37] yeah I know [19:37] i'm wondering if its worth changing it to the -current 'style' one? [19:37] that's threase 2008q4 iirc [19:37] I thought about that, but wasn't sure how "stable" the software was in that [19:37] even the garbage shoot here is pimp [19:37] you put the stuff in the trap and press which shoot to put it down [19:37] it surprises me cause the postfix software is the latest release [19:37] organic, recycling, garbage. [19:37] :D [19:37] nice [19:38] and the hall ways are so ventilated its unreal [19:38] heh [19:38] you can't smell anyones apartment [19:38] how many tenants in that building? [19:38] i dunno, not many... atm [19:38] Action: Dominian nods [19:38] i mounted the projector to the ceiling :-) [19:39] Strike a deal with the landlord to feed interent to the building for a price cut hehe [19:39] just gonna sand down and paint and resand and paint the wall [19:39] make a nice shiny projector screen [19:39] cool [19:46] slackboy joined ##slackware. [19:46] chopp: cool, i have some philips one... thats a hd DVB? no tuner aspect or something [19:46] Advantech maybe, lemme see if i can ssh in from here [19:47] chopp: can you use a tv remote? [19:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat074.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [19:47] haha i like that quit message [19:47] acidchi|d: yes it came with a remote. [19:48] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:48] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [19:49] ahh [19:49] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-170-238.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-163-65.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] Floops (n=baihu@mandrak.ktekz.com) left irc: "changing servers" [19:54] yey, back from the sleep study. [19:54] good lord that sucked. [19:55] agentc0re: What all did you have to do there? [19:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] i video taped parts of it. [19:56] when i put it together i'll post a link. [19:56] boring? [19:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:56] but i had leads stuck all over my head and face, some to my chest. [19:56] tntslack (n=asdasd@adsl8-93.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:56] First night i had to sleep with a CPAP and all that stuff, tonight i had to sleep for 15 min ever 1.5 hours. [19:57] they woke me up at 6am this morning by turning on some really bright lights. really sucked. [19:57] wow, fun. :P [19:57] I honestly feel awful after the whole thing. [19:57] Oh and i didn't really eat much. Drank some water and ate some Kashi bars. Blah. [19:58] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-163-65.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:58] Well, now that's done, maybe you can salvage what's left of the weekend. [19:58] maxote (n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [19:58] kashi bars? what are those made of? [19:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:59] googles kashi bar [20:00] Nick change: NaCl -> SpanishInquisitr [20:00] ah, sort of like a granola bar [20:00] gm152__ (n=quassel@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Action: Dominian is back [20:04] wb Dominian :) [20:05] hrm.. going to play some ET.. back in a bit [20:05] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [20:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:09] maha (i=cuba@unaffiliated/maha) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:10] dagmjp (n=vzibhga@203.171.192.121) joined ##slackware. [20:10] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-020-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> NaCl [20:11] there's quite some trouble with dbus and kbluetooth all of a sudden [20:11] anyone had this problem? [20:12] mtu: It may help if you describe the problems you're having. [20:12] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl11-63-74.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] sure... starting any kde application that uses libkbluetooth, an error occurs where dbus says that security restriction prevent some messages from being sent, resulting in a crash of the application [20:13] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-128-14.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] i figured anyone who's seen and fixed this would know what i meant... but maybe it's some general dbus problem [20:13] mtu: are you running -current? [20:13] no, 12.2 [20:14] mtu: and which version of kbluetooth? [20:14] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [20:14] that'd be 1.0_beta8 from slackbuilds.org [20:15] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:15] hmm [20:16] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@36.119.79.69.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:17] dagmjp (n=vzibhga@203.171.192.121) left irc: "Virca 1.1.20" [20:18] grazymax (n=grazymax@host188-130-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:18] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-148.dial.telus.net) left irc: No route to host [20:19] what about a permission problem, have you tried any kde app that uses libkbluetooth as root or su >? [20:20] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] yeah, same effect [20:21] hang on! [20:21] wtf, it works as root now [20:22] rhleis (n=rhleiss@94.187.91.26) left ##slackware. [20:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:23] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:24] look in /etc/group maybe there is a line you can add your user's name to [20:24] firebird619: lol, what weekend. it's over pretty much. :( [20:25] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:25] agentc0re: :( [20:26] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:27] agentc0re: Well, it's 07:21 here, Saturday evening, so there's still a little Saturday left and all of Sunday left. :P [20:27] err, why doesn't xfce 4.6 keep my clock configuration. :) [20:27] s/:)/:( [20:28] time zone or correct time? [20:28] Or clock options? [20:28] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: "leaving" [20:28] agentc0re: Clock Options, I had set it to use service time. I did that yesterday, and now today again, it's back to a 12 hour clock. [20:29] maybe your pc knows better than you :P [20:29] haha, maybe so, but even if it knows better, it should follow orders. :P [20:30] you could try setting it, logging off and back in to see if it stays. I'm guessing the setting was lost from a shutdown maybe or was it just over time from being on? [20:31] bijit_ (n=benji@200.122.188.156) left irc: "leaving" [20:31] 07:21 would imply morning [20:32] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] Yeah, I could try setting it and logging off and on again. I'm not sure what caused it. When I upgraded from rworkman's xfce 4.6.0 package to his 4.6.1, then the clock changed to 12 hour clock, so I changed it yesterday, and then today it's back again. [20:32] andarius: yeah, it would, something isn't right with it. [20:33] I'll log off and back on and see if it stays. [20:33] brb [20:33] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [20:34] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:34] nope, didn't stay. [20:35] Action: tresloukadu is back [20:36] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-176-180.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:36] andarius: the 07 would imply morning, yet it has PM after the time. [20:37] agentc0re: Any ideas why it won't stay set right? [20:37] sweetleaf (n=sweetlea@cpe-77-83-130-237-dsl.netone.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:38] permissions or a cache issue maybe. I might start with renaming the .cache and .local dir. I think thats were those are saved. [20:39] Ok, I can give that a try and see what happens. [20:39] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) joined ##slackware. [20:40] brb [20:40] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [20:40] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.15) joined ##slackware. [20:40] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:41] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] agentc0re: That didn't work either. It created new .cache and .local, but didn't keep the clock set right. [20:43] firebird619: I found the setting. [20:43] grep clock ~/ -rl [20:43] ./.config/xfce4/panel/panels.xml [20:44] firebird619: you're using my xfce 4.6.1 package on 12.2, right? [20:44] yes [20:44] you could remove the clock from the panel and readd it. check the perms on that file. [20:44] Good. So this guy is wrong? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3527978#post3527978 [20:44] why is slackware not mirrored at kernel.org ? [20:44] rworkman: he's wrong [20:45] jeev, because the 278 of us that are in here, are the sum total of people who really care about Slackware. [20:45] and probably half of the people in here have created derivative distributions [20:45] =P [20:45] BP{k}: okay, good. I thought so - in fact, I was pretty damn certain, but yeah. Thanks. [20:45] rworkman: *cough* sxee reply [20:45] oh [20:45] ;-) [20:45] agentc0re: Ok, Thank you. [20:46] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-128-14.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:46] BP{k}: HAHA - nice. [20:46] BP{k}: I hadn't refreshed that page since this morning :) [20:46] damn :/ [20:46] every other dist blows goats [20:47] poor goats [20:47] jeev: no idea; you might mail one of the kernel.org admins and ask. [20:47] jeev, not a problem though, just go to slackware.com/getslack and pick a european mirror, good bandwidth. [20:47] i'll email paul fixie [20:47] ;D [20:47] olefowdie, i live in cali! [20:47] heh [20:48] jeev, yeah, I live in atlanta, and european mirrors still give me a faster connection [20:48] I know this sounds mean, but this reminded me of nullboy for some reason. http://failblog.org/2009/04/30/patience-win/ [20:48] agentc0re: lol [20:49] heh, im getting it from tds.net, at 12kb/s to 1.93mb/s [20:49] i dunno why it's throttling [20:50] hahaha [20:50] funny picture [20:50] so i haven't really used linux much since slackware 3.5 or something [20:51] i just built the kernel and had a kernel panic, should ext2 be a module or built into the kernel ? [20:51] sorry, ext3 [20:51] jeev, it shouldnt make a difference. [20:51] hardly any reason not to build it into the kernel [20:51] jeev, but make sure that you are not using anything depricated. [20:52] i just took a lot of crap out of the kernel i didnt need [20:52] hm... slackpkg went into zombie mode and ate up all of my cpu... [20:52] there have been massive changes since slack 3x [20:52] ;) [20:52] Floops (n=baihu@apollo.ktekz.com) joined ##slackware. [20:52] NaCl so use slackbuilds [20:52] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-199.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-176-180.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:53] agentc0re: I am having a ownership type issue. Everything in /home is firebird:vboxusers. I've changed it many times to firebird:users, but it doesn't stick. What can I do to fix that? [20:53] olefowdie: how will that help? :( [20:53] i built it in.. still didnt boot heh [20:53] thrice: for which response? [20:53] olefowdie: Um... I do. All slackpkg was supposed to do is to wget official updates and install them [20:54] to using slackbuilds [20:54] firebird619: Hrmm, thats weird. I don't know what could be changing it to vboxusers. [20:54] firebird619: something that you've done with vbox is probably doing it, is my guess. [20:55] NaCl and thrice`: personally I would never use Slackpkg, if you replace a script that is called in an install script for another package, you could have a problem... [20:55] uva- (i=bno@118-160-164-221.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:55] uva (i=bno@118-160-164-221.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] You could remove the vboxusers group, and check syslog/messages and see what's complaining about not being able to set permissions because the group doesn't exist. [20:55] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "so, can one get arrested for sneaking out at night when they are over 18...." [20:55] olefowdie: do you even know what slackpkg is ? [20:55] agentc0re: It seemed to start from when I installed vbox and added my user to the vboxusers group, by editing /etc/group and adding my user to vboxusers. [20:55] hrmm. [20:55] thrice` yes i do [20:55] olefowdie: oh? please define [20:56] firebird619: I don't why it would want to override your home directory perm's though. [20:56] slackpkg is a wrapper for wget / pkgtools [20:56] type your argument to bash shell script slackpkg and it fetches, and installs [20:56] then how would using slackbuilds help ? [20:56] agentc0re: I had help before with it, and looked in /etc/passwd, which had for my user 102 (vboxusers group id), so I changed that, ran chown to put it back to firebird:users, and now working with this clock issue, I see it's back to vboxusers. [20:57] thrice` because you can get more control over what happens to your system, the problem isn't with pkgtools or slackpkg per se, but some packages are going to require certain versions of other packages, slackpkg doesn't account for deps or anything like that. it will just replace. could break things. [20:58] maybe you didn't set it to recursive when you did the command? [20:58] agentc0re: Yeah, I did. [20:58] firebird619: Hrm. weird. [20:58] very weird indeed. [20:58] olefowdie: slackpkg *only* uses slackware mirrors and packages. not related to slackbuilds at all [20:59] thrice` i am suggesting one tool in place of another, not in conjunction with [20:59] firebird619: do this, grep vboxusers ~/ -rl [20:59] and I am suggesting that you cannot use slackbuilds to replace anything slackpkg does. are you sure you aren't thinking of sbopkg ? [21:00] tntslack (n=asdasd@adsl8-93.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:00] slackpkg won't break anything unless you tell it to. I mean, all it does is pull down stuff from official mirrors [21:00] i am positive. what i am suggesting is that one update each package manually, checking version deps and such along the way [21:00] agentc0re: ok, that command is running right now. So far just showing stuff in ~/.mozilla [21:00] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:00] olefowdie: Personally, I trust that Pat and friends have checked all of that stuff for me. [21:01] upgrading via slackpkg is fine so long as you don't have anything other than vanilla slack installed on your box(es) [21:01] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:01] hmm, when i try to modprobe forcedeth (yes iknow, crap nic but test) it says invalid module format heh [21:02] olefowdie: Ok... then if something breaks, I recompile the custom packages. No problem. [21:02] you run the same risk using upgradepkg on packages [21:02] if you're system is going nucking futs on you when you're running slackpkg there is something wrong with either package conflicts and/or your machine. [21:02] i wish these friggin nerds would quit coming in here thinking they are going to change the way Slackware does things with a few trolling comments [21:02] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.167.147) joined ##slackware. [21:02] heh [21:03] olefowdie: 21:02 < thrice`> you run the same risk using upgradepkg on packages [21:03] lol yeah, but he's having issues with said solution (considering that slackpkg calls upgradepkg when it runs) [21:04] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4db3815c.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:04] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:04] you know the risk of going beyond what Pat does to Slack [21:04] kinesis (n=k@slim.gomylocal.com) left ##slackware. [21:05] Pig_Pen: "Bob" damns you to hell [21:05] That was a rare case. It usually works, but the problem I was having was just totally weird and unforseen. [21:05] fuck Bob and his stinky pipe too [21:05] lol [21:05] anyone have experience setting up Maildir with sendmail/dovecot? [21:05] herectic [21:06] Pig_Pen: you're in a SLACKware channel, be nice. [21:06] praise "Bob"? [21:07] okibisan: see if you can do it, why can't Pig_Pen [21:07] trust in your one time, short term, personal savior. [21:07] praise "Bob"! [21:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:08] =P lol [21:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:08] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [21:08] guranteed slalvation or double your money back! [21:09] Action: olefowdie thinks that Pig_Pen needs to lighten up on the Church of the Subgenious [21:10] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [21:10] Action: mtu put "Church of the Subgenius" under "religion" on his registration form at the city's office when he last moved [21:10] probably the only guy in this city who did heh [21:10] what else could i be missing out of the kernel that's not letting me mount ? [21:10] jeev: drivers for your hdd controller [21:10] yea i'm looking at that now, inever touched it. serial ata (prod) and Parallel ATA [21:11] mtu, that is awesome. [21:11] Fudge (n=blufudge@60-241-105-201.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:12] heh, i'd love to know who else did that [21:12] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Success [21:12] nullboy i know you're here. here's a song for you to cheer up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtfQg4KkR88 just replace bret with nullboy or your real name. [21:12] i need to quit drinking, i am making too many typos. [21:12] hi, does slackware use gnome or can you select to use it on install and does it have the screen reader orca in it? [21:12] Fudge: see freerock gnome. [21:12] Fudge: no gnome in slackware's standard install [21:13] i have the dvd iso, would it be on there? [21:13] you know, do you really need a full DE when there are things like window maker? [21:13] Fudge: No [21:13] with Gnome gone we have room for things like EMACS! [21:13] oh [21:13] Fudge: nope, kde is on the install-ISO [21:13] im just used to orca laughing out loud [21:13] anything special i should do when installing it for accessibility then [21:14] Fudge: just set your screen res low in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then access the kmenu once you boot into X, there are several accessibility options in KDE [21:15] i tried kde accessibility once on another distro of bsd and couldnt figure out how to get a screen reader to work [21:15] I think you may end up preferring it to the GNU Network Object Model Environment if you can manage it [21:15] but since slacks suppose to be pretty usable thought id try it again [21:15] garme (n=garme@187-24-42-223.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:16] garme (n=garme@187-24-42-223.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:16] oh wow thats what that stands for [21:16] thankyou ill give it a go and come back when i cant do stuff [21:16] kmouth is far better than orca lol ;) [21:16] k thanks mate [21:16] Fudge (n=blufudge@60-241-105-201.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: "mIRC with speech 1.0" [21:16] np [21:16] garme (n=garme@187-24-42-223.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:17] garme (n=garme@187-24-42-223.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:18] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-19.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] hmm... see I have to have such things cuz im legally blind if i don't wear glasses... makes it hard to see a screen in the middle of the night, when you awake to find out you just dreamed a solution to a problem... [21:18] mtu, it was scsi.. linux considers sata as scsi? heh [21:18] jeev, yes [21:18] weird [21:18] jeev, most modern unixes and linuxes do. [21:18] heya,folks [21:18] why doesn't kernel config coincide then [21:19] jeev : most linux drivers for sata controllers use libata, which is the 'scsi-like' layer [21:19] evening MLanden. [21:19] Hey MLanden. How are you? [21:19] oi see [21:19] heya,agentc0re [21:19] jeev, in conjunction with ananke, and most unices use linux drivers these days =P [21:20] Fine, thanks firebird619 and yourself? [21:20] MLanden: doing great, thanks. :) [21:20] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [21:21] freebsd still rules.. but i love slackware. [21:21] Greda (n=since198@83.228.56.24) joined ##slackware. [21:21] good to hear,firebird619 [21:22] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) left irc: "Leaving" [21:22] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:23] Schilly was right ? [21:24] mylovingslack (n=root@114.121.64.174) joined ##slackware. [21:25] schilly,Ins40? [21:26] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [21:27] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-020-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lurc - the irc client with a name that doesn't mean anything." [21:27] MLanden: sorry schilling [21:27] morning all.... [21:28] Evening,mylovingslack [21:28] evening and don't irc as =root :P [21:28] yup.... [21:29] mylovingslack: Like what you did... [21:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) joined ##slackware. [21:29] mylovingslack (n=root@114.121.64.174) left ##slackware. [21:29] dios_mio (i=test@88.244.194.229) left irc: "Ronald Reagan described economists as individuals who see something work in practice and wonder if it might work in theory." [21:30] hba (n=hba@189.188.142.4) joined ##slackware. [21:31] agentc0re: That grep command is still running. :P [21:32] irc as root excuse: it's my first day on linux! ;) [21:33] s/it's my first day on linux! ;)/it's my first day on ubuntu! ;)/ [21:34] ew at ubuntu [21:34] its my first day on slackware :) [21:35] mylovingslack (i=1000@114.121.60.56) joined ##slackware. [21:35] i put ubuntu on my in-laws new laptop cause they heard bad things about vista [21:35] lol [21:37] idiocracy [21:37] was a funny movie [21:37] it's taste.. [21:37] hey hey now can you fake it can you make it look like we want! [21:39] :-D [21:40] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [21:40] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] hrrm [21:42] idiocracy was art imitating life with amazing accuracy [21:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:42] lol yea [21:45] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@MMCMII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [21:46] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.203.144) joined ##slackware. [21:50] firebird619: found anything that could point you to what might be causing it? [21:51] firebird619: grep and run away sometimes [21:51] lol [21:51] he's the victim of a grep and run? [21:52] heh [21:52] agentc0re: No, not really. Right now, it seems to be stuck not doing anything. [21:52] firebird619: what... are you doing? [21:52] Urchlay: haha, I think I am a victim. :P [21:53] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.248) joined ##slackware. [21:53] damn...access denied,,,:P [21:53] Greda (n=since198@83.228.56.24) left irc: [21:53] firebird619: were you grepping straterra? [21:53] X_X [21:53] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.33.47) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:53] Urchlay: ownership of stuff in /home is firebird:vboxusers, as opposed to firebird:users. I've tried changing, but it keeps reverting back. [21:53] BP{k}: Oh gosh no. [21:54] oops, i meant to say "grep can* run away sometimes" [21:54] firebird619: did you accudentally make your firebird user's primary group the vboxusers one instead of users? [21:55] Urchlay: No, I don't think I did. When I installed Vbox (closed-source) all I did was add firebird to vboxusers in /etc/group. [21:55] and that's when this issue started. [21:55] run "id" and see what the "gid=" bit shows [21:56] Urchlay: gid=100(users) [21:56] hrm [21:56] Urchlay: and that's what I have in /etc/password, right after adding my user to vboxusers, it changed to 102, but then I changed it back and changed ownership to firebird:users, but it keeps reverting back. [21:56] err, /etc/passwd [21:57] firebird619: run /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv start [21:57] so if you chown -R firebird.users ~firebird, it'll somehow change groups back to vboxusers? does this happen immediately, or when you run virtualbox, or...? [21:57] firebird619: oh, it's running. Maybe you should to :P [21:58] Urchlay: I changed with chown -Rv and it seems to revert after restart. [21:58] agentc0re: I tried, didn't help. :P [21:58] and is it the entire contents of ~firebird, or just the directory itself, or what? [21:58] Urchlay: everything in /home/firebird. Oh wait, it should be firebird.users, I always thought it was firebird:users? [21:59] 2009 is the date that i recorded this song. [21:59] stillborn (n=blow_my_@MDCCLII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:00] firebird619: : is the right way [22:00] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.167.147) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:00] lns40: ok, thanks. [22:00] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-71-241-211-201.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:01] firebird619: doesn't really matter, : or . work the same in a chown command [22:01] Urchlay: Ah, ok. [22:02] (tho I believe the . is considered deprecated... my fingers keep typing it anyway though) [22:02] agentc0re: should I close out the terminal with grep, it seems stuck, or just let it keep sitting there for a bit. [22:02] just let it go. [22:02] agentc0re: ok. [22:02] eh, what exactly is that grep command you're trying to run? [22:02] grep firebird ~/ -rl [22:02] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:03] agentc0re: you told me grep vboxusers ~/ -rl before. Which is it? :P [22:03] err that one. [22:03] sorry. [22:03] i just followed vbox's instructions works like a charm, so far i have not gotten any flavor of BSD to completely boot up kernel keeps crashing, Linux and win2k seems to work good though [22:04] agentc0re: the vboxusers one? If so, that's what I'm running so all is well. :D [22:04] :D [22:05] Pig_Pen: I've had FreeBSD working in VBox before, OpenBSD didn't work though. [22:06] http://virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes here is a list, it is slow to load [22:06] so it's just grinding its way through the gigs of pr0n in your ~ then? [22:06] er, I mean, "important data" [22:06] Urchlay: probably. heh. [22:07] haha, it would if I had any, but I'm not into that type of stuff. So in my case, it really is important data. [22:08] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:08] if grep runs away with too vague of a parameter it could do that, just search your entire harddrive taking hours [22:08] agentc0re: All that grep has shown so far is the VBox *.run file, the compiz tarballs I got via git, and my .opera directory. [22:09] Pig_Pen: seems like what this is doing too, just searching away, taking a while. [22:09] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.239) joined ##slackware. [22:10] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:10] i am fairly certain vbox installs all of itself to /opt/VirtualBox and just add a startup script in /etc/rc.d [22:10] gm152__ (n=quassel@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [22:10] the new linux logo is disgusting [22:10] "You have sullied the Internet by putting pornography on it!" -- Ned Flanders [22:10] Pig_Pen: Yeah, it adds rc.vboxdrv. [22:10] gm152 (n=quassel@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Urchlay: lol. fortune? [22:11] mylovingslack (i=1000@114.121.60.56) left ##slackware. [22:11] firebird619: nah, just something rattling around in my brain [22:11] Ah [22:11] Urchlay: sounded like something fortune would have. [22:11] there probably is a collection of Simpsons quote in fortune format, somewhere [22:12] She was only a morticians daughter, but anyone cadaver [22:12] hmm, like right here: http://www.splitbrain.org/projects/fortunes [22:12] that Taz? i would not worry about it, i never build that logo in to my kernel, just adds more fat [22:12] I had a friend who would download porn from BBS dialin. [22:12] chopp: lol [22:12] Little did I know that he was way ahead of his time. [22:13] pi31415: hey, I used to do that [22:13] vintage pr0n....hmmm 256 colors...:P [22:13] Most of my friends were more into getting software from BBS's. [22:13] should've made this the logo. http://figs.cyberciti.biz/3rdparty/linux-logo.png [22:14] was annoying, all you got for a description was an 8.3 character filename (NAKED031.GIF, is it a naked woman? man? dog?) [22:14] heh [22:15] I remember he loaded one on a computer in the library. The librarian came in and just laughed and asked whether we really thought the library was the place for it. [22:15] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:15] pi31415: well some people get turned on in elevators, why not libraries? [22:16] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-170-114.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] I was just glad nobody got in trouble. [22:16] that same librarian prolly came late at night to add it to their personal stash...:D [22:16] heh [22:16] Action: Urchlay wonders what ever happened to the h0t librarian from when I was a kid... [22:16] Urchlay : and i've seen librarians look at stuff you wouldn't believe [22:16] in fact, that's how i've learned what equestrian porn is all about... [22:17] oh no [22:17] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:17] in high school, she was the #1 heavy metal/biker slut, a couple years later I went to the library and there she was, working there... [22:17] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:17] ananke: of course, they're just doing research, to find out what sites to add to the content filter, right? :) [22:17] pi31415 : ohh yeah. [22:18] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [22:18] Urchlay : this was one of those rare cases, when we've been asked to provide browsing history of a person [22:19] ananke: it is stuff like that that made me wary of following links pasted into irc [22:19] good policy [22:19] yeah, don't do it work [22:20] lke some dork in here the other day tried to tell me to google for "meatspin" to find the answer to a technical problem [22:20] although i believe that a single incident shouldn't result in major consequences [22:20] pi31415 : please be sure to report that to ops [22:20] ananke: so they can add it to their stash too? [22:21] my earlier statement about consequences applied to being a victim of those pranks at work. not being the prankster [22:21] pi31415 : ops here, and in most channels on freenode, will remove such idiots [22:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:27] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:31] take care,folks [22:31] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-19.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:39] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:43] I still recall setting up a content filter for a school system... every site belonging to or promoting the democratic party was blocked, but not the republican party... [22:43] hba (n=hba@189.188.142.4) left irc: "leaving" [22:44] I remember in high school, nascar.com, and I think even some search engines were blocked. [22:49] I don't really like what that kind of thing teaches to our kids [22:49] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-211.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] "you are not trusted" [22:50] Urchlay: I checked with kuser, the primary group is users. [22:52] Urchlay : uhmm, how is that different from any other form of content filtering used with kids? [22:52] want to browse nascar.com? finish high school, go to college. [22:52] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-101-255.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [22:53] Urchlay: more like plausible deniability [22:53] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:54] "We took reasonable precautions to prevent your tax dollars from turning your kid into a porn fiend." [22:55] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-211.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [22:55] or does "did due diligence" sound more impressive than "took reasonable precautions"? [22:55] or '[...] from turning educational resources into a porn browsing tool' [22:55] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:55] ananke: well I don't agree with content filtering, but if parents want it for their own kids, that's up to them. I really don't like the idea of the government doing it (any government). It reminds me too much of 1984. [22:56] Urchlay : they're kids. not adults [22:56] yeah, and if we treat them like prisoners, they'll never become proper adults [22:56] Urchlay : do you have kids? [22:56] Urchlay: you're too late [22:57] We haven't had a generation of proper adults here for a while now. [22:57] Maybe the grandparents or great grandparents were functional. [22:57] ananke: no. But I have put some thought into how I'd raise kids, if I did have them [22:57] content filters in pre/high schools are NOT a new invention. again, different rules apply to pre-adults. [22:58] Urchlay : allow me to share a biggest lessons you'll ever learn, when it comes to kids: what you think you'd do BEFORE you have kids is different than what you'll do after you have them [22:59] During courtship, people lose their wits, and it all goes downhill from there. [23:00] now, back to the content filtering, like i said: want them to browse porn? fine. allow them to do it at your home. not with my tax funded institution [23:00] didn't say they should be allowed to browse porn [23:00] if they try it and get caught I expect them to get punished [23:00] pi31415 : it's not about courtship, it's about having kids. your perspective changes when you have kids [23:00] firebird619: did the grep stop or is still going through all that pr0n? [23:00] they should definitely not be allowed to view nazi materials.. the swastika should be pattern recognized and blocked. [23:01] what nonsense. [23:01] what worries me isn't the porn filtering anyway. It's the filtering of political stuff (my example from earlier: filtering one political party but not the other... and no, democrats are not nazis) [23:01] pi31415 : so you want to ban navajo artwork? [23:01] ananke: oh no, I don't believe in unintended consequences [23:02] Why are navajos drawing evil symbols anyway? [23:02] Urchlay : now that i agree with [23:02] agentc0re: :P It hasn't stopped yet. [23:02] anyway, you forbid something (swastikas, or whatever) and you give it kind of an allure to kids... "they don't want me to see this, so it must be cool/fun/smart"... [23:02] heh [23:02] pi31415 : uhmm, wtf are you smoking? that symbol has been around for hundreds of years, before nazis decided to use it [23:02] pi31415: uhm you do know that a swatsika is orginal meant to denote good luck. [23:03] Urchlay: exactly. [23:03] ananke: why should my tax dollars promote religious symbols? [23:03] pi31415: eh. Nazis stole that symbol (and turned it around backwards), it was in use for eons before it meant anything evil [23:03] pi31415 : who said that not blocking something is equal to promoting it? [23:03] pi31415: because they're studying history, and the history of religion is a legitimate part of it? [23:03] you equated it with a desire for the kids to view it [23:04] pi31415 : who did? [23:04] Urchlay: I think the only good that should come from any filter in your household is blocking viruses/spam and whatever else that could make you work more by having to clean a PC. [23:04] now, back to the content filtering, like i said: want them to browse porn? fine. allow them to do it at your home. not with my tax funded institution [23:04] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [23:05] I think kids should be allowed to view whatever. They will learn from it and it takes a good parent to teach their child right from wrong. [23:05] pi31415 : where did i mention desire for the kids to view 'swastikas'? [23:05] i [23:05] hi [23:05] 'lo. [23:05] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl4-164-205.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [23:05] agentc0re, at home? sure. but not at a public school [23:05] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.100.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:06] pi31415, That line of logic would mean there are certain lines of thought or ideologies that you are ok with being government sanctioned, which to me seems a lot more frightening. [23:06] ananke: i would agree with that. [23:06] i'm ok with having basic content filtering to prevent viewing porn, that's about it [23:07] MS3FGX: So a swastika represents thought, but nudity does not? [23:07] when i hear people saying start blocking everything not only does it remind me of 1985 but also the Jesus Camp Documentary. [23:07] agentc0re|work, '1984' :) [23:07] I think porn is good. [23:07] agentc0re: the other thing that goes with your statement: it's up to the parents to individually define right and wrong for their kids... unfortunately too many of them seem to be content to let the government make that decision [23:07] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-6-2-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:07] ananke: I was the one who brought up swastikas, not you. [23:07] ananke: thanks :D [23:08] pi31415 : you're not making much sense [23:08] agentc0re|work, have you actually read it? :) [23:08] hello [23:08] Urchlay: thats true. [23:08] pi31415, Beyond nudity for the sake of art, I can't think of many legitimate reason to be looking at that sort of material in school. Can you? [23:08] hey guys, i have a freebsd "bootp/dhcpd" and i want to install slackware via net.. easy ? [23:08] mercfate: hello [23:08] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] why wouldn't it be, i have to try it [23:08] All of this then falls back to Idiocracy. [23:08] jeev : there's a howto for installing slack via pxe [23:08] okie cool [23:08] anyone here uses xfce 4.6? [23:09] mercfate: yes. [23:09] i gotta call the datacenter and have em put the hard drive. [23:09] occasionally [23:09] MS3FGX: Why must a person justify that their action is right? Shouldn't you have to prove that it is harmful? [23:09] mercfate: I do. [23:09] pi31415: I played a game, Battlefront 1942 or whatever it's called, that was supposed to be an accurate simulation of world war II... but the germans in the game had this silly 3-cornered triangle-swastika symbol instead of the real thing... sorta ruined the realism for me [23:09] my keyboard shortcuts dont works [23:09] :( [23:09] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-101-255.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [23:09] super + e and super + q [23:10] simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:10] simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] pi31415, And your proof that a Hindu religious symbol will do a child harm at it's mere sight would be? [23:10] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:11] MS3FGX: hey, if there are symbols that cause people to spontaneously combust or something, I want one for my screensaver image :) [23:11] desja004 (n=user@c-76-17-197-161.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] i like his time warp: navajo are drawing 'evil' symbols [23:11] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [23:12] if i wanted to install xfce what disc would i need? [23:12] would i need all 6? [23:12] 1 and 2 [23:12] desja004: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [23:12] desja004: you never need all 6, the last 3 discs are source code [23:12] MS3FGX: I think it is interesting that a person would support blocking nudity, but oppose blocking nazi symbols (which are not the same as Hindu religious symbols) [23:12] disk 3-6 are source [23:12] 4-6 source [23:13] 3 kde [23:13] ananke: I was playing devil's advocate with the same level of thought that I imagine is used for pr0n filters [23:13] pi31415: if you pretend nazis don't exist, you can't teach your kids why they were bad... [23:14] pi31415 : your lack of logic baffles me [23:14] They are actually perfect parallels. The swastika is only offensive in a particular context, IE, if used by a modern hate group like the KKK. Similarly, nudity is only offensive if looked at in a particular light. There is a vast difference between the works of renaissance artists and the sort of videos I keep on a hidden share on my server. [23:14] so 1 & 2 if i don't care about kde? [23:14] and i just want xfce4 [23:15] MS3FGX : uhmm, porn by definition is more than mere nuditity [23:15] desja004: yep [23:15] thanks [23:15] ananke: if a porn filter is so fundamentally broken that it blocks democrat web sites, but is easily bypassed by clever students, then what is it actually accomplishing? It is a bullet item the school can use to give the parents a sense of security. [23:15] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:15] well... [23:15] when I have kids, I'm keeping the computer in the living room [23:16] BP{k}, do you use shortcuts on xfce? [23:16] pi31415 : you're making a complete guess that it was: a) a porn filter, b) it was broken, c) it was easily bypassed [23:16] no need for filters then [23:16] redtricycle: BUT how are they supposed to jack of then !? [23:16] redtricycle : yep, that method works well for lots of folks [23:16] I have a hard time imagining a filter that is not easily bypassed [23:16] lns40: they can get girlfriends... [23:16] Note, I didnt say boyfriends [23:16] redtricycle: lol [23:18] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-6-2-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [23:24] i have two 1.5tb hard drives at the datacenter but they have reallocated sectors after an hour of use.. [23:24] i'll use those to netboot slack and test the controller with linux :/ [23:24] http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/banned-books.html [23:25] "An illustrated edition of "Little Red Riding Hood" was banned in two California school districts in 1989. Following the Little Red-Cap story from Grimm's Fairy Tales, the book shows the heroine taking food and wine to her grandmother. The school districts cited concerns about the use of alcohol in the story. " [23:25] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. 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[23:32] erm, "that edition" of huckleberry finn, would be any edition of it [23:32] s/the book/grimm's fairy tales/ [23:32] the characters use the word in conversation... and that really is how people talked in the south, back then [23:32] social norms change.. it used to be ok to beat your wife if you weren't overly brutal [23:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] I'm a Scatman! [23:33] it still is, in muslim countries [23:33] ;) [23:33] yes, social norms change. But if you're *studying history* you need to be studying the old social norms (and why they changed) [23:33] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:33] I read that the term "rule of thumb" dates to a time when it was legal to beat your wife with a stick, so long as it was no thicker than your thumb. [23:33] pi31415: Yup, thats true. [23:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:34] yeah, that's mentioned in "boondock saints" too (good movie) [23:35] but... in a history class, if you're teaching it honestly, you have to tell the kids "this used to happen" [23:35] kids have damn good bs detectors regardless of what adults think anyways [23:36] Since we're smarter now we should create better rules like, the circumference of your wifes wrist divided by pi multiplied by age = diameter of the stick. Diameter multiplied by husbands age = length. [23:37] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [23:37] So if people are offended by the N word and by wife beating, they might get upset if their kids are required to study material that treats it as normal. [23:38] agentc0re: yikes! that rules beer out of the equation [23:38] pi31415: How so? [23:38] you could just multiply the final answer by beer [23:39] agentc0re: Ever tried doing math while inebriated? [23:40] Wow, thats the second time i've heard that word today. [23:40] inebriated. [23:40] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-170-114.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:40] pi31415: did I say it should be "treated as normal"? I said it should be studied, not endorsed [23:40] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-184-126.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Urchlay: you can't change the way a book treats a subject, unless you rewrite the book. [23:41] woh3 (n=woh3@76.4.244.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:41] and anyone who reads "huckleberry finn" will notice that the N-word is mostly being used by characters who are "bad guys" in the context of the story. Like I said, it's a book that condemns the evils it's talking about [23:42] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:42] Urchlay: it's used quite a bit by the story's protagonist [23:43] you know, it never really dawned on me, a person in their browser can use : file://var/log/packages/ and click and read about their packages. interesting. [23:43] Old_Fogie: don't forget file:///usr/doc/ [23:43] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:43] pi31415: yeah, because he starts out thinking that way, and learns otherwise as the story goes on [23:43] yea, anywhere really. I just never thought of using the browser to look at installed packages. [23:44] Hi Old_Fogie. How are you? [23:44] sick of being sick [23:44] http://www.se.kernel.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ i guess they mirror it [23:44] firebird619, :) and you [23:44] Old_Fogie: :) I'm doing good, thanks. [23:45] Urchlay: I didn't realize he stopped using the N word as the story progressed [23:45] can't shake this chest/head cold congestion, it's getting annoying [23:45] pi31415: he learns to think of Jim as a person [23:45] Old_Fogie: being sick sucks. You been to the doc to get some meds? :D [23:45] Old_Fogie: A couple shots of Patron should fix that :P [23:46] agentc0re: grep is STILL running. [23:46] firebird619, no not yet. I hate Doctors. You see you're not sick until you actually *go* to see them. Same with Dentists. You only have a "tooth ache"...but if you actually go and _see_ him, well now it's a cavity :) [23:47] firebird619: LOL, you must have a huge user dir. you can stop it if nothing has come up that looks like it maybe a clue to what is causing the problem. [23:47] Old_Fogie: Or they say "nothing I can do, it's a mechanical failure. here's the bill." [23:47] hahah [23:47] Old_Fogie: yeah, and then it's a you need a root canal. Thankfully I've never had to have one. never even needed novacaine. [23:48] RickyFloW (n=fl0w@190.166.145.223) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:48] ah!! [23:48] any simple site to show me hwo to tightvnc into a windows computer? [23:48] yes, drill and mouth, two things that should never be put in same sentance I say. [23:48] agentc0re: what the heck kind of goose chase did you send me on? :P [23:48] I just read a book I really enjoyed by Haruki Murakami: Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World [23:48] Old_Fogie: agreed. [23:49] redtricycle: rdesktop or krdc will be more responsive and secure [23:49] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-146-126.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:49] redtricycle: vnc auth is easily cracked over the wire [23:49] oh o_o [23:49] firebird619: search your whole user dir for vboxusers within files. [23:49] rdesptop is crossplatform? [23:50] yes [23:50] agentc0re: My home is *only* 218 GB used. Alot is VBox .vdis, then pictures I've taken, then music. [23:50] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] Oh wow, rdesktop is in slack 12.2 [23:51] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-184-126.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:51] redtricycle, if using remote over the internet, then don't just use vnc, or rdesktop by themselves. tunnel them over SSH. [23:51] you might need to enable remote desktop in "My Computer" Properties, and add yourself to the "Remote Desktop Users" group [23:51] redtricycle, or use nomachine nx, or free nx. [23:51] or openvpn [23:52] jeez, why so many [23:52] ... [23:52] ?! [23:52] redtricycle, there's no encryption to windows rdp on windows pc, only the login credentials [23:52] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) joined ##slackware. [23:52] Okay, what do you guys personally use? [23:52] tresloukadu (i=1000@189.113.224.67) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:53] ribbed ones [23:53] i use openvpn [23:53] redtricycle, depends what you need. what do you want to do. [23:53] I want to connect remotely to a windows box [23:53] from slackware [23:54] redtricycle: over the Internet? [23:54] yes [23:54] over the internet [23:54] redtricycle, ok, but to do what. use apps? see network resources? what? [23:54] Um... [23:54] browse the internet [23:54] I want to be able to show my brother how to do tihngs [23:54] by remoting into his computer [23:54] redtricycle, well, windows rdp, he cant view [23:54] redtricycle, you login, he wont see the screen. [23:54] Ohh, I want him to be able to watch [23:55] as I'm doing it [23:55] is he next to you? [23:55] I'd probably reverse SSH proxy through putty [23:55] or at the windows box? [23:55] and use VNC [23:55] he's at the windows box [23:55] redtricycle, if you log-in to windows remotely, he'll only see the log-in of windows [23:55] redtricycle, so rdp is out. [23:56] redtricycle, looks like you'll want to vnc over ssh then. [23:56] okay, sweet [23:57] so what's a suggested vnc program? [23:57] tightvnc works fine as a client [23:57] redtricycle, tightvnc is fine. but you best get the SSH working first. [23:57] I think slack includes tightvnc, right? [23:57] redtricycle, cygwin is nice to set up openssh [23:57] oh...okay, I'll reinstall tightvnc then [23:57] Okay, then... [23:57] Old_Fogie: putty is nicer for this purpose [23:57] redtricycle, after that you setup vnc to run thru localhost. [23:57] can someone point me to tightvnc howtos? [23:57] pi31415, why? [23:57] Old_Fogie: one single .exe file [23:58] So, set up a vncserver on localhost? [23:58] a small one at that [23:58] it doesnt honor gpg keys [23:58] I was getting confused with the tightvnc over ssh [23:58] you have to "their" gpg keys [23:58] I didn't know openssh used GPG [23:58] I mean the keys [23:59] you have to use putty keys [23:59] which is a pita [23:59] I thought putty could import/export the openssh key format [23:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [23:59] nope [00:00] --- Sun May 3 2009