[00:01] jeev: was that appropriate? [00:01] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:01] gui_ap (~gui_ap@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) joined ##slackware. [00:04] yes? [00:06] if you have to ask.. [00:06] .w 4 [00:09] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [00:13] newslacker (~kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:14] `oobe` (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [00:15] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-mnxrqrkhkfqdtpty) joined ##slackware. [00:16] Nick change: `oobe` -> oobe [00:16] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:17] newslacker (kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. 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[00:24] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.32.134) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:25] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-augeqcbastuucken) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:25] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wjxwcjdnmlowotxh) joined ##slackware. [00:26] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [00:26] greeetinnggggssss oooo ;) [00:26] hows thingies down this part of the world? [00:27] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-109.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] IT'S ON FIRE! [00:27] i miss all the good stuff :( [00:27] nesv (~nick@CPE00222d67cb11-CM00222d67cb0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:27] heya,The-Croupier...how's the early mornin' for ya? [00:27] not bad not bad... [00:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [00:28] hey guys i need urgent help [00:28] The-Croupier: What's up? [00:28] if i had 5pcs and had to format, install windows, and some antivirus and crap...and diagnose some hardware ... for that...how much would you charge in the us [00:28] usa ;) [00:29] lol,antiwire...that hot for ya in Cali? [00:29] nah, just seemed like a good answer to his question [00:30] The-Croupier: That's kind of an odd question; do you mean purchasing 5 new PCs, or just re-formatting them. Which version of Windows would you want? [00:30] kevin01123 (~user@2002:615b:e856:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) joined ##slackware. [00:30] does it matter? [00:30] antiwire, ok...good answer nonetheless...:D [00:30] reformat them, and install xp ...but i think all the disks are provided [00:31] just for the services...how much ;) [00:31] How would I go about building against a custom built library in /usr/local when compiling a program? [00:31] i'd charge by the hour,its windows install :) [00:31] The-Croupier: Well, unfortunately, I live in Canada. Does that affect anything? [00:32] and bring a coffee :) sorry [00:32] A place down the street from my work charges $80 for a Windows install [00:32] The-Croupier: You want a quote for just the time costs? [00:34] The hardware diagnosing should be a separate task [00:34] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:35] true,antiwire...that can be quite a task in itself [00:35] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:36] The-Croupier, are all 5 computer the same make and model? [00:37] yes they are different tasks.... i was wondering...this is the list: format hdd, install xp sp3, office, avg, acrobat, diagnose hdd, video, on hp pentium M [00:37] diagnose hdd should not be part of the main task. That's a different rate scale [00:37] and the same color? (there's a $5 per hour surcharge for different colors) [00:38] antiwire: i have no clue of all this thats why im asking, and how much it costs [00:38] for each one of those [00:38] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:40] I'd charge a flat 350 for the install ask them user how important the data on the disk is. If there is no data that needs to be recovered give them options on buying a new disk if it needs it. If there is data that needs to be recovered and it is not as easy as mounting the disk and pulling the data off, 50/hr [00:40] them/the [00:41] xinsrt (insert_@187.41.45.129) joined ##slackware. [00:41] At least, those are numbers that would fly here. you might be able to get more or less. I don't know how it is there. [00:41] yeah.... i cannot charge by the hour...thats a deal someone is offering me 5 pcs...for all those tasks... [00:41] wait what? [00:41] im just asking to see what i can do ..and how to reply [00:41] you are getting paid in computers to just do an install on a single computer? [00:41] i need some kind of job...reparing is the least [00:41] 5computers :p [00:42] I'm really confused now [00:42] Are you receiving 5 computer as payment or are you working on 5 computers? [00:42] antiwire: dont confuse yourself...... [00:42] wait [00:42] I am not confusing myself (2010-05-01 21:39:53) The-Croupier: yeah.... i cannot charge by the hour...thats a deal someone is offering me 5 pcs...for all those tasks... [00:42] working of 5 computers, the list of jobs to be done see above... [00:42] do we have a failure to barter here? [00:42] insert_ (insert_@187.41.29.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [00:43] kevin01123 (user@2002:615b:e856:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [00:43] and they asked me if i can do those tasks on those computers and i was asking how much i need to charge for it [00:43] and I told you [00:43] the data recovery is a different beast [00:43] antiwire: no data recovery [00:43] there was no data recovery in the list :p [00:43] ;) [00:44] you could quote some stupidly low flat rate on that and find yourself balls in 8 hours of work [00:44] antiwire: that sounds nice ;) [00:44] see... [00:44] you said diagnose a hard disk. How important is the disk to the user? why diagnose it in the first place? [00:44] If there is no data...wtf [00:45] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.52.168) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [00:45] I wouldn't waste my time or my money on someone diagnosing a hard disk that is even hinting at acting up [00:45] diagnose doesnt mean that only :p it means seeing if everything is alright, fix the mbr...and stupid shit like that too :p [00:45] I'd pull any data off it and buy a new one [00:45] antiwire: yep, cos you know what to do ;) [00:45] and most of us in here [00:46] i dont even have my data on my hdd, i only have the os in my pc..;) [00:46] you mean perform disk maintenance [00:46] antiwire: ;) [00:48] zfxp (~zfxp@adsl-179-126-2.gnv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] when i install slackware from usb [00:48] it gets stuck on "retrieving tag files etc" [00:48] i've followed the manual etc.. [00:48] antiwire: thanks for the info bro ;) [00:49] zfxp, have you tried several mirrors? [00:49] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:49] yeah. [00:49] Same result on all [00:49] heya MLanden [00:50] heya,fire|bird...how's it going? [00:50] on the mirror [00:50] should i chose /slackware/slackware [00:50] or slackware/slackware-13.0 [00:50] ? [00:50] MLanden, going good, how about you? [00:51] fire|bird, goin' good as well thanks...just been doin' some upgrades(kernel,vlc) [00:52] zfxp, slackware/slackware-13.0 [00:52] zfxp: might want to look at what the mirror structure is - that would give you an idea [00:53] i've tried both same result. [00:53] i'm baffled. [00:53] are you using slackpkg? if so, don't forget the trailing / [00:54] Im using the actual installer [00:54] if that's what it is? [00:54] is the usb installer trying to install over the net using nfs or http from a mirror? [00:55] http [00:55] then try using a trailing slash as well [00:55] Im thinking about just throwing the packages on my external [01:00] The-Croupier (Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [01:03] n (~zfxp@adsl-179-126-2.gnv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] Nick change: n -> Guest70154 [01:06] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-148-102.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Night,folks [01:06] zfxp (~zfxp@adsl-179-126-2.gnv.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:06] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [01:12] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [01:13] hello everyone :) [01:17] hi [01:17] y0 [01:17] :) [01:19] :_) [01:23] Hey! [01:24] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:24] howdy [01:25] howdy [01:27] Alright, well, have a good night everyone! I'm heading out for a few drinks. [01:27] nesv (nick@CPE00222d67cb11-CM00222d67cb0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [01:28] srecko (~srecko@78-1-162-164.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [01:29] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:29] Does crontab has a pid file, and where he is? [01:32] crond [01:32] cronTAB doesn't have a PID, but crond does [01:32] try as root "ps aux |grep -i cron" without quotes or look in /var/run [01:32] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:35] xsamurai (~munki@pool-71-165-140-41.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:38] Guest70154 (~zfxp@adsl-179-126-2.gnv.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:38] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:40] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. 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[02:28] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:28] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] alisonken1home: I know there crond PID, but no crontab.pid. files. [02:29] correct. But why do you need a pid file? [02:29] srecko: by definition, crontab files are the files used by crond for scheduling - there is no crontab pid because there is no crontab executable [02:30] srecko: are you asking about a hypothetical "crond.pid" or "crontab.pid"? (neither exists) [02:30] alisonken1home: eh? so what's /usr/bin/crontab than? :) [02:30] s/than/then/ [02:31] Urchlay, oops - sorry about that :) [02:31] srecko: "man crontab" [02:31] got it mixed up with the files [02:32] srecko: so, have you got an actual problem, or you're just wanting to learn how things work in slackland? [02:34] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:34] slackware's cron is "dillon's cron", I think redhat/centos/etc uses "vixie cron", completely different codebase (although there's been features creeping back & forth for years now, so they look similar to users and admins) [02:34] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [02:35] I write a shell script that tests the active services, web, ssh ... and crond. [02:36] not a very good test if it relies on a pid file existing [02:36] especially since pid files will outlast their kill -9 proceses [02:36] pid files don't really tell you whether a service is really running though [02:37] and the possibility that the pid in the file may be days/weeks old and a different program entirely may be using that pid [02:37] they tell you that a service was started at some time, but you have to do further checking to see if they're actually still running [02:37] Yes, I know this is a small deficiency [02:37] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [02:37] if you're doing a shell script, you probably should just use "ps" to find out if processes (like crond) are running [02:38] and make sure you filter possible collisions due to similarities [02:39] for network services, you're better off checking them by actually using them (e.g. a shell script that uses wget to download a small file from your web or ftp server) [02:39] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:39] and if it's going to be for multiple servers/processes, may want to look at nagios [02:39] alisonken1home++ [02:43] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [02:45] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Quit: 42 [02:46] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-165.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:56] shashi859 (~shashi859@117.198.241.13) joined ##slackware. [03:01] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [03:02] shashi859 (shashi859@117.198.241.13) left ##slackware. [03:05] aha.. that's kind of techno :) [03:05] ups [03:08] nagios vs zabbix - anyone? [03:10] we just use nagios at my place, don't know about zabbix [03:13] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [03:25] is there a command to show what is loaded into the memory ? [03:26] ps axu ? [03:27] i mean, the code loaded [03:27] ls /proc :D [03:27] ¬¬ [03:27] code like source code? :D [03:27] ^^ [03:27] like the binary code [03:28] ps [03:28] more like binary - since computers don't know source [03:28] i mean, memory dump [03:28] that's term [03:28] memory dump [03:28] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [03:29] if you don't mind taking a chance and screwing your computer up, /dev/mem is an image of your ram - otherwise, learn to read the /proc directory [03:30] alisonken1home: ok, ty [03:31] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:32] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.51.132) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:32] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:33] lol, he probably meant gui tool, there was one in kde... system monitor perhaps? [03:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.21.20) joined ##slackware. [03:38] looks about right [03:39] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Nick change: cteg_ -> cteg [03:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:55] saraah (EsMerimSi@41.236.14.17) joined ##slackware. [04:04] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. 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[05:20] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-153.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:21] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-153.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Client Quit [05:21] MRenigma (~inferno@77.246.68.67) joined ##slackware. [05:22] hello Guys i need a Bios flash help any one know? [05:23] MRenigma: check your board vendors site, you may be able to flash the BIOS using a utility built into the firmware. ALl you need is a (FAT32) USB key with the BIOS image on it. [05:23] MRenigma, guys over at ##hardware might be willing to walk you through it [05:23] thanks Guys [05:23] :x [05:23] LSD`, I didn't know that you are a Slackware user [05:23] heh [05:23] its +r :| [05:23] If it's a Dell bios, he can use libsmbios from Slackbuilds.org. [05:24] look guys [05:24] i was falshing my windows from windows7 cuz i don;t know with slack [05:24] so while flashing i got blue screen [05:24] so the bios now is corrupted [05:25] MRenigma, reset the CMOS [05:25] Ouch. Any chance the BIOS ROM is socketed (and you know someone with the *exact* same board)? [05:25] its an acer laptop [05:27] my friend have the same laptop if thats help. [05:28] in /etc/ntp.conf, I have a line with "multicastclient" and a comment but it doesn't seem to be valid (complaint in syslog), does anyone have the same line? (and complaint in /var/log/syslog?) [05:29] If it were a desktop board with a socketed ROM, then you could have booted up an identical board, removed the BIOS from that one, place your corrupted one in and reflash that. That's next to impossible on a laptop though because not only would their BIOS ROMs almost certainly be soldered, they'd be in places that would be next to impossible to get at without pulling the machine entirely to pieces [05:29] Nick change: MRenigma -> enigma [05:29] Nick change: enigma -> Mrenigma [05:32] i'm surprised there hasn't been a windows virus that wipes your BIOS flat with zeros [05:32] but i know part of why: some/most machines are more useful alive than dead [05:32] so its impossible with my laptop :-s? [05:33] you may need to send your laptop in for maintenance [05:33] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [05:33] Delahunt here Lebanon? THEY ARE STUPIDS :/ [05:33] not my fault [05:33] mail it off [05:33] hehe [05:35] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:35] Delahunt: tchernobyl? [05:35] Delahunt: CIH would do that, but that was way back in the day on Win9x where such access to hardware was trivial [05:35] Action: adrien hugs Mrenigma [05:35] :o [05:35] I'm half lebanese :P [05:35] hehehe [05:35] me, if i was going to write a virus (which i wouldn't, but if i did) i would have it zeroize the BIOS [05:35] nice to meet ya :p [05:37] i was reading about USB stick it can getback ur bios but i couldn't understand the wawy he do it :/ [05:38] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:39] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:39] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [05:39] any lxde users here? [05:43] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [05:43] adrien, i don't use lxde but may i ask what the problem is? [05:44] was only wondering [05:44] I'm probably going to contribute some patches because I like the approach, think it's pretty good but some things need fixing (in particular, the battery applet) [05:50] goarilla (~goarilla@219.245-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:51] maricotaecomp (~chatzilla@201.20.169.227) joined ##slackware. [05:51] maricotaecomp (chatzilla@201.20.169.227) left ##slackware. [05:51] maricotaecomp (~chatzilla@201.20.169.227) joined ##slackware. [05:52] goarilla (~goarilla@91.179.220.109) joined ##slackware. [05:54] v4nelle (~van@79.107.228.99) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:55] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:55] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:59] _fraktil_ (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:03] alienBOB: The following fixes the build for me: http://goudrenet.student.utwente.nl/files/ffmpeg.SlackBuild.patch [06:03] Still a scary amount of warnings but hey :-) [06:03] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:05] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-210-195.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:10] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.128.17) joined ##slackware. [06:10] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.128.17) left irc: Changing host [06:10] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [06:12] Zosma: good, it will never harm to add that lib, and if it helped you then others may need it too (still wondering why I did not have that issue but can not check on a -current box right now) [06:12] Yeah it's very weird to me too. [06:12] But alas. [06:12] Thanks again for the package! [06:12] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:17] saraah (EsMerimSi@41.236.14.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:17] Zosma, alienBOB: probably it is because of install method :) [06:17] where is not a full one done [06:18] agris: I have omitted some minor packages, but if only a link flag enables a successful build I doubt it. [06:18] time to time that sort of things happens to me too [06:20] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [06:20] Zosma: that's the problem... omitted..... some minor.... [06:20] :) [06:20] ok, whatever, got to go to beer. c u [06:20] Have fun ;-) [06:20] agris (blondais@80.232.193.2) left ##slackware. [06:29] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:30] auska (~auska@83.43.138.57) joined ##slackware. [06:30] hi! [06:30] i have a problem [06:30] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [06:31] i need to install a pakage that i can find at the ubuntu repository [06:31] http://ppa.launchpad.net/corenominal/ppa/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/source/ [06:31] here... how can i do it? [06:32] stand on one foot, put your right hand on your head.... [06:33] say "Ooooga Boooga" 43 times... that should install the "package" [06:34] ¬¬ [06:34] i have try it and it doesn't work lol [06:36] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:37] I see several sources there auska - which one do you want [06:38] the one called sources.gz [06:39] hi people, what is a good text-based irc client [06:39] That is not a package... it contains source code [06:39] hi jrodger [06:39] For gimp-brushes ttf-aefonts and ttf-liberation [06:39] hi auska [06:40] jrodger: irssi [06:40] alienBOB, i know it the problem is how to compile it [06:40] So which of those 3 do you need [06:40] I'll have a look, thanks alienBOB [06:41] that's a font pakage of 400 fonts, i need to install them [06:42] i think i have to comple the source and i will get them... [06:42] isn't it? [06:42] You can install TTF fonts to /usr/share/fonts/TTF by just copying them [06:43] liberation sounds familiar. Isn't that installed already? [06:43] Then run mkfontscale /usr/share/fonts/TTF; mkfontdir /usr/share/fonts/TTF ; fc-cache /usr/share/fonts/TTF [06:44] but the sorces.gz doesn't have the ttf [06:44] that's the problem... [06:44] Liberation fonts are in slackware yes [06:44] auska: then get creative [06:44] v4nelle (~van@79.107.228.99) joined ##slackware. [06:45] oooooga boooga...! xD [06:45] This is a fscking ubuntu repository, go ask them how to find the sources. I lost interest [06:46] heh. mesa actually has a make linux-alpha [06:47] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:47] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:49] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF28DD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:55] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF28DD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:58] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF28DD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:00] hey guys, anyone had problems with ext4 in latest -current64 upgrade ? [07:01] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:01] on two different machines (desktop and thinkpad) after upgrading to -current, the ext4 module seems to break upon loading.. something like http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/wnwfbX74.html [07:02] phrag, got debugfs? [07:02] no, i'm not even sure what that is o.0 [07:03] was there a kernel upgrade in the most recent -current64? [07:03] i have debugfs 1.41.11 [07:03] This is the generic(-smp) kernel? [07:03] oh 64 is only SMP [07:03] yes [07:04] 64bit 2.6.33.2 generic smp [07:04] i'm currently rebuilding 2.6.33.3 to see if i can get rid of the bug [07:04] I've got a 32-bit machine with ext4 (in initrd) and the generic kernel, no problems here [07:05] i'm sure something changed tho, as same error on both machines, one 64bit desktop, one 32bit laptop... i do use LVM/LuKs on both tho [07:06] seems to spit out that module error just before mounting luks stuff.. even tho all partitions seems to mount successfully, despite the errors [07:06] i just found the full output... [07:08] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/G65nQ556.html [07:09] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:10] maricotaecomp (~chatzilla@201.20.169.227) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [07:13] Hmmm, I'd be tempted to guess that you're using an initrd which loads ext4 on top of the huge kernel, which already has it. [07:15] ah, that could make sense.. as i usually add the huge to lilo for a (backup) kernel should i need it [07:15] likewise, but you have to make sure that its section does not load the initrd. [07:15] (image section in lilo.conf) [07:16] you're right, i was trying to load the initrd with huge, thanks for the tip =) [07:16] should of realised that =P [07:16] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:22] yw [07:23] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.32.132) joined ##slackware. [07:25] v4nelle (~van@79.107.228.99) left irc: Quit: http://v4nelle.dyndns.org Just another trash blog... [07:29] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:33] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.131) joined ##slackware. [07:33] hi all. Is possible to open Xpdf always maximized? (i use xfce) [07:34] OclkdMan, you mean when you double-click a pdf file? [07:34] yes [07:35] you could right click, open with ..., then put in a command xpdf -fullscreen (but that's not maximized, that's full screen) [07:36] dunno for xfce but you might want to check out wmctrl [07:36] http://tripie.sweb.cz/utils/wmctrl/ [07:36] mmm....good to know! thx, that could be a solution [07:36] (-fullscreen) [07:37] and mentions "devilspie is a window-matching utility. It can be configured to detect windows as they are created, and match the window to a set of rules. If the window matches the rules, it can perform a series of actions on that window. " [07:37] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:38] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:39] wmctrl has many feature but i think i'm going to use -fullscreen. bye [07:39] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.131) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:41] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [07:44] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [07:45] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:48] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:53] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:55] when sha256sum keeps giving different checksums .....:-( [07:56] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:57] you'd expect that from the encoding, i think you want to verify the sum, not compare subsequent sums [07:59] checking DVD images that i downloaded .... they should match and should give the same result each time [07:59] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:02] insert_ (insert_@187.41.0.178) joined ##slackware. [08:02] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:03] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:04] xinsrt (insert_@187.41.45.129) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:05] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] two consecutive runs of sha1sum don't give the same result? [08:06] well, he said sha256sum, but the same principle applies [08:08] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:11] that's right two consecutive runs giving different results .... I do now have a valid copy of the image, but it is apparent that I have a hardware fault somewhere [08:12] _73st3R__ (~73st3r@bro67-2-82-227-111-132.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] <_73st3R__> Hi all im a new in slackware [08:12] <_73st3R__> need help [08:12] <_73st3R__> plz [08:12] We can't help unless you actually ask a question. [08:12] <_73st3R__> ok [08:13] <_73st3R__> my system has a damage DVD rom so cannot use DVD to install Slackware [08:13] download the first CD, put it on a USB stick and run a net install ? [08:13] <_73st3R__> if do it with vmware to installing on physical disk [08:13] <_73st3R__> does it work same? [08:13] urk ? [08:14] you mean with a raw partition to install onto ? [08:14] you'd still need to run a bootloader installer [08:14] but you can probably hack that to run from inside vmware [08:14] good luck, it should be a fun ride [08:15] WildWizard: yes, most likely: old hardware? overclock? overheat? [08:15] tried stability tests [08:15] ? [08:15] <_73st3R__> does it change bootloader? [08:16] _73st3R__: easiest is probably usb-and-pxe-installers/ and an external drive, a separate partition or an nfs/samba share to put packages on [08:16] (if you have an usb key big enough, you can also put the packages on it (or some of them)) [08:16] <_73st3R__> i have a 16gb usb [08:16] then just load the entire dvd onto it [08:17] <_73st3R__> i copy .iso content to usb disk [08:17] <_73st3R__> how to make it bootable ?!??????????? [08:17] as for using vmware, I've done it, it works and is quite easy: you'll have to watch out for changes in the names of the drives though: /dev/sdX or /dev/hdX [08:18] but then you'd better use the whole disk and not a partition because as adaptr said, you'll need to install the bootloader (or to update the one you already have) [08:18] _73st3R__: you can skip the installation of lilo during the setup [08:18] <_73st3R__> look i have winxp allready installed [08:19] <_73st3R__> i want dual boot with lilo [08:19] and only that? [08:19] <_73st3R__> hi does installing from vmware change system bootloader to lilo ? [08:19] since Linux can autodetect all hardware on boot (and is rather better than WIndblows in this regard), the only things that might go wrong are the bootloader and root FS locations [08:19] _73st3R__: installing anything in vmware doesn't change anything, anywhere [08:19] that's the *point* [08:20] <_73st3R__> im going to insall in on physical disk? [08:20] also, if you're dual-booting, don't use LILO, it will drive you nuts [08:20] lilo can boot windows but windows' bootloader can boot slackware so you'll need a linux-friendly bootloader if you don't already have one, so you'll have to install lilo [08:21] now, if you use vmware, you'll have to share the whole disk and not only a partition in order to be able to install lilo [08:21] but if you have a big usb key, it's definitely the best way [08:21] getting syslinux to cooperate will be the challenge, unless somebody already made a foolproof howto for that [08:21] <_73st3R__> ahha okayy [08:21] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:22] <_73st3R__> i got my answer for vmware [08:22] <_73st3R__> i think try USB flash [08:22] (evidencing unetbootin, I wold say the answer to that is "no, they haven't") [08:22] <_73st3R__> how to make it Bootable to load slackware [08:22] the you have the slackware "files"? [08:23] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) joined ##slackware. [08:24] <_73st3R__> i have .iso dvd [08:25] there's a folder named usb-and-pxe-installers, read the documentation that is inside [08:26] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:27] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:28] <_73st3R__> is there any image for USB drives? [08:28] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-100.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:32] <_73st3R__> is there any USB .iso image ? [08:32] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:33] there is no such thing, no [08:33] read what adrien told you, and go read [08:34] goarilla (~goarilla@91.179.220.109) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:35] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:41] hi i'm back ... anyone now how to install and test quickcam messenger webcam ? any good tutorial or ... [08:43] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:43] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.52.168) joined ##slackware. [08:47] nobody got such webcam ? [08:47] did you ask google? [08:48] i'm asking him ... [08:49] but i already have with lsmod : quickcam_messenger 13060 0 [08:49] Axius (~fd@92.84.0.60) joined ##slackware. [08:49] and usbvideo 24768 1 quickcam_messenger [08:49] and i've no idea of software for testing it [08:53] skype? [08:55] Delahunt : it didnt work with skype :s [08:55] i'm trying to install xawtv [08:56] and i've a little question ... what is an install-sh script ? [08:56] hello [08:57] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [08:57] i mean .. have i always to do make or it can be installed directly ? [08:57] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:57] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [08:58] malikcpp, probably a script that installs [08:58] read the README [08:58] or INSTALL [08:59] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:00] Noble (~stefan@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] The installer keeps getting errors from random packages when downloading them from an FTP server. Is that a common problem, or is it just my selected mirror? [09:00] Delahunt : i thaught it was universal script [09:01] Delahunt : it worked with xawtv .. but it still giving me a blank picture with skype [09:02] Action: Delahunt shrugs [09:02] do you have V4L v.1 in your kernel? [09:03] Delahunt : may be because skype and xaw tv were running together [09:05] yeah you think? :P [09:06] Noble: what kind of errors? [09:07] Delahunt : =D ... after closing xawtv & skype i went to options window but when i click on "Try" nothing happens [09:07] close skype and start it back up [09:07] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:07] and you never answered my question [09:08] Urugami (~Urugami@adsl-177-232-8.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] sorry it's because i didnt understand it =) [09:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] it's ok [09:10] look in your kernel, make sure V4L version 1 (it will say "depreciated") is in there [09:10] sahk0: I cant recall, something about package beeing corrupt. [09:10] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:10] skype in linux seems to be built against V4L1 [09:12] Delahunt by lsmod or something else ? [09:13] by cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig [09:16] auska (~auska@83.43.138.57) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:16] Delahunt : and then ? [09:17] go to device drivers > video for linux > check [09:19] sirslack1r (~sirslacke@p4FFF24A3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF28DD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:23] _73st3R__ (~73st3r@bro67-2-82-227-111-132.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [09:23] auska (~auska@83.43.138.57) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Delahunt : there is no "video for linux" only "Graphics support" and "Multimedia devices" =S [09:25] oh .. it's in Multimedia devices [09:25] sorry i forgot where it is [09:26] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:29] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [09:31] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:32] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:32] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [09:34] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.114) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Delahunt : maybe i've found sthing http://pastebin.com/Ck4W2YhS [09:37] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) joined ##slackware. [09:41] _Jim_ (~Jim@201.59.187.28) joined ##slackware. [09:41] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [09:42] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:58] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:59] Gulus is down [09:59] I don't want to use the OVH mirror [09:59] dont google it, you might find an answer i-me [09:59] jg71, I search an safe source [09:59] -source+mirror [10:00] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware [10:00] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:00] tanks alisonken1home [10:00] i dont think that is safe alisonken1home ... it's riddled with ... stuff [10:00] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:01] yep - stuff all the way back to slackware 3.3 [10:01] jg71, please, be right, I begin with slackware, I don'T know all of they mirrors [10:02] why not use the internet archive slackware mirrors page [10:02] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:02] jg71, it's the one I use [10:02] google prolly has a cached version of the mirrors closest to your country as well [10:03] Skywise, because my DNS suck. [10:03] what country are you in? [10:03] Canada [10:03] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-qmBEDXT4AgJ:www.slackware.com/getslack/list.php%3Fcountry%3DUSA+slackware+mirrors&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a [10:03] I search on google cached version, but gulus is down, and other have poor speed [10:04] Skywise, tanks, anyway, alisonken1home has answered to my question [10:06] When I try to load a playlist into cmus it doesn't load. What could be the problem? 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[10:15] rahul__, the only released ISO officially is the 13.0 series. -current series is not officially creating ISO's [10:16] from, http://ftp.ua.freebsd.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current-iso/, cos i had downloaded some current files from current branch and after upgrading i could not boot to terminal, and later i came to know it was because of the noveau drivers [10:16] rahul__: do not depend on ISO images for slackware-current [10:16] They are all unofficial [10:17] You can create your own ISO at home and be bleeding edge [10:17] how to i upgrade to current tree alienBlurb [10:17] tabfail :) [10:17] curret is for developers [10:17] Use slackpkg to keep uptodate for instance [10:17] Skywise: not at all [10:17] jikjtzzf (~edud@94.229.77.218) joined ##slackware. [10:17] its not for users [10:17] i am not a developer, but i would like to be on current [10:17] Skywise, current is for people that want to help ensure released updates work - you don't need to be a developer, just willing to help [10:17] Skywise, o'rly? [10:18] alisonken1home, yeah thats better put [10:18] Slackware-current is for those who are familiar with Slackware and would be able to fix their computer in case a Slackware update does something weird [10:18] but thaem thing [10:18] but its the same point i'm making [10:18] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:18] Nope [10:18] A "developer" is not the same as someone with good knowledge of Linux [10:18] Nick change: jikjtzzf -> jg71 [10:19] Lots of very smart developers where i work, but they can not manage their own Linux or UNIX computers. [10:19] i think for my point they're close enough [10:19] jg71 (~edud@94.229.77.218) left irc: Changing host [10:19] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Whatever [10:19] I've used current for a few years, but never attempted to develop anything in my life :> [10:20] that reminds me, i need to add alpha to slackpkg :) [10:20] theres not a single term to define the group of people that should use current [10:20] i am far from a developer, and i've used -current successfully for many years [10:20] but developer was concise enough [10:20] Skywise, "slackers"? [10:20] no it's not [10:20] alienBOB, i run #slackpkg update, then can i skip #slackpkg install-new? and do slackpkg upgrade [10:20] Skywise: "beta tester" [10:21] well i think you're being too literal with the developer description [10:21] rahul__, really, 'man slackpkg' gives a 4 step procedure [10:21] ang, thats illustrates the issue, it doesn't cover everyone... [10:21] i just read that thrice` and hence i ask [10:21] Skywise: as in the the literal meaning of the word developer? well yes, excuse us for conforming to english language definations [10:21] context is important [10:22] rahul__: slackpkg should always be run with "install-new" "upgrade-all" and possibly with "clean-system", in that order preferably [10:22] being pendantic is fun, but often much too literal [10:22] rahul__, maybe our man pages are different (just kidding). here, it says: slackpkg update, slackpkg install-new, slackpkg upgrade-all, and slackpkg clean-system [10:22] developer in this context being one who 'develops' software, using a beta release of an operating system is not developing, it's beta testing [10:22] Skywise: so what would a developer typically be doing from day to day, in your view? [10:22] you can mince and misintepret what someone is saying all day long [10:23] If a single term can't be used to define those that should/can run -current, then a single term should not have been used :-) [10:23] yes thrice` but what if i do not want to install some new package like lets say kwrite, which i do not use? or say kopete [10:23] no, i'm using the term loosely as to include those who also contribute [10:23] rahul__, then you blacklist them [10:23] Skywise: there's a difference between pedantic and factual correctness, if we all walked around misuing words, then those words would have no literal definition, and therefore be moot. [10:23] rahul__: you decide what you install [10:23] adamk, it would have to suffice since i don't care to enumerate them [10:23] point made. [10:23] phrag, thats what being pendantic is [10:23] and your point? [10:24] Skywise: Then let those who would enumerate them do so. :-) [10:24] words have more then just their literal definition [10:24] and are more accurately defined by how they're used [10:24] "developer" is pertty clear :-) You seem to be the only one who uses it so loosely around here. [10:24] some things in life require accuracy, science being one of them, computer science included. [10:24] as for instance for me to describe something as bad what its meaning is all dependent on context [10:24] computer science isn't real science, we all know that ;) [10:25] so you can parse things however you like, but that won't construe what was meant [10:25] Skywise, when you say 'developers should only run slackware -current', I'd say that's a bit further than that [10:25] and understanding what was ment requires being sympathetic to the arugment being proposed [10:25] not at all [10:25] be flipant about what you make for tea, not about giving slackware advice to the public [10:26] ok, since I run -current, then I'm a developer ? [10:26] because in the context of a casual user, being more precise would lose the connotation [10:26] k guys i will be back after attempting the update, will tell you how it will work, btw noveau is blacklisted in current right? [10:26] thrice`: apparently.. hope your getting paid well =P [10:26] rahul__, yep [10:26] thrice`, no, you're being too literal and thus pendantic, like i was said, you need to take what i was saying in its context [10:26] EVen in that context, developer means one who develops :-) [10:26] Skywise: no, you are just wrong =) [10:27] as in an advanced user isn't precise at all [10:27] it's context is 'people running -current' , and nothing more [10:27] rahul__ (rahul@123.236.187.142) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:27] no, thats the whole problem is the average user installs current thinking its the most uptodate version when thats not what it is [10:27] Action: phrag thinks Skywise would argue black was white if he was bored enough [10:27] That is because people don't care to read [10:27] I can't add songs to cmus. What could be the problem? [10:27] its the current development version which is why i referred to it as being used by developers [10:28] allend (~allend@CPE-60-230-126-107.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:28] i never said anything about it being used exclusively by them [10:28] Axius: ask in the cmus support channel, i don't even know what cmus is =P [10:28] Action: alienBOB has heard enough [10:28] Action: phrag idd [10:28] smoke / coffee time >> [10:28] also ordered some new slackware t-shirts lastnight! =) [10:29] Axius, if you run it from a terminal (maybe with 'xterm -e cmus' or so), does it complain about anything ? [10:31] new ones as in new ones or new ones as in new design ones, phrag ? [10:31] were there ever shirts made with the flippy logo? [10:31] Action: pprkut has one :> [10:31] omg [10:31] demerit [10:32] thrice`: I can open it but I can't add the songs I have on my pc. I use this command :add [10:32] its the 24 hour debate channel [10:32] hehe [10:32] Axius, but it doesn't say anything on the original terminal, like "I can't understand what an mp3 is!!" ? [10:32] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] people just love nitpicking [10:32] whats the topic [10:33] oh, let it rest [10:33] thrice`: no, it doesn't say anything. [10:33] Skywise: heed your own advice! [10:33] ? [10:34] thrice`: only player wav files. [10:34] Action: adaptr picks a nit [10:34] any idea, why slackpkg checks the mirror for update, read the update file and didnt see the updates? [10:34] Action: phrag slaps said nit [10:34] srecko (~srecko@93-139-7-247.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [10:34] sirslack1r: the mirror you are using has not been updated yet [10:35] i checked the mirror is updated!!! [10:35] Axius, well, did you compile it against an mp3 library? [10:35] mysql's plugin system is the worst plugin system designed ever :/ [10:35] Skywise: I got that #$%^ sasl proxy auth stuff working finally [10:35] sirslack1r: try different mirror, double check the correct url/syntax [10:35] phrag: http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/ [10:35] GooseYAr1, cool did you ever see that link i posted? [10:35] srecko1 (~srecko@78-1-178-12.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:35] thrice`: I've installed it with sbopkg. [10:36] Skywise: missed it sorry [10:36] sirslack1r: sure you dont have more than one mirror defined? [10:36] the magic word was "sasl-authz-policy to [10:36] " [10:36] i tried more than seven different [10:36] Axius, can you pastebin 'ldd /usr/bin/cmus' ? [10:36] GooseYAr1, yeah, you can do that in the ldap definition too, that link i posted described how [10:36] thrice`: I will try. [10:36] sirslack1r: check your blacklist [10:36] GooseYAr1, you can set up the authtype [10:37] phrag: i will check! as i know it should tell me that, but i do, w8! [10:37] GooseYAr1, but don't change it if its working now, cause theres more then one way, and i'm not sure which is better [10:37] yeah no kidding [10:38] Axius, it should link against libmad (you have this installed, hopefully?) or something for mp3 support [10:38] http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/wallpaper/photography/photos/best-pod-august-09/squirrel-portrait-banff-081309/ [10:38] ahaha [10:38] ive ran into virtually every possible problem [10:38] cteg_ (~heretic@host-091-097-166-239.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [10:38] thrice`: this the link http://dpaste.com/190058/ [10:38] Axius, ok, 'ls /var/log/packages/libmad*' ? [10:39] as you can see, it didn't link against anything that supports mp3 [10:39] GooseYAr1, yeah i think thats a must, but the good thing is so have a bunch of other people and they left their emails to browse [10:39] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] http://www.pastebin.org/197978 [10:40] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-127-192.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:40] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.164.74) left irc: Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. [10:41] and then [10:41] dn: uid=proxyuser,ou=auth,dc=example,dc=com [10:41] authzTo: ldap:///dc=example,dc=com??sub?(objectclass=person) [10:41] that authzTo thing is the secret [10:41] rahul__ (~rahul@123.236.187.142) joined ##slackware. [10:42] thrice`: I didn't have libmad-0.15.1b-i486-3 installed. [10:42] cmus looks nice [10:42] Axius, rebuild it once you have installed that [10:42] i love those text players [10:42] uid=,cn=,cn=,cn=auth [10:42] also, consider doing full installs of slackware (especially the l/ series) [10:42] sasl-regexp uid=(.*),cn=rdnt03,cn=DIGEST-MD5,cn=auth uid=$1,ou=People,o=Ever [10:43] thats an example using the ldap definition [10:43] yah, although sasl-regexp was renamed authz-regexp [10:43] thrice`: ok, thank you for your help! [10:43] k [10:43] but both work [10:43] it'd be nice if openldap would say "blah is deprecated please use blah" [10:43] phrag: they are on default only elflibs and xf86 video are blacklisted. [10:43] lol [10:43] i did a slackpkg upgrade-all, and it tells me this > http://pastebin.com/1EEjqe7a , do i need to upgrade multilib also? and how do i do it [10:43] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Skywise: then the other problem is that none of the authz stuff will work unless you explicitly configure slapd acls for it [10:44] Axius, sure thing :) [10:44] Nick change: cteg_ -> cteg [10:44] GooseYAr1, and theres never up to date docs on it [10:44] thrice`: now it works well. [10:44] also that howard chu guy- total douche [10:45] its no wonder redhat continues to work on their 389 server independently [10:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] hmmm... [10:47] Axius, thought so :) [10:47] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.164.74) joined ##slackware. [10:48] hey guys ... i am stuck..............zzzzzzzzzz [10:48] the thing that gets me with ldap is why does lightweight have to mean inexplicable [10:48] ahaha [10:48] yah [10:49] cause i can make ldap do what i want, but i have no idea if theres a better way or anything [10:49] srecko1 (~srecko@93-141-40-6.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [10:49] as soon as stuff works right, i'm like hands off [10:49] i think I'd benefit from a class [10:50] maybe, sometimes reading isn't enough [10:50] its not something I really care about, but every time I need to do something with it, i spend days screwing around [10:50] srecko (~srecko@93-139-7-247.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:50] yeah, and the syntax is so awkward [10:51] i did a slackpkg upgrade-all, and it tells me this > http://pastebin.com/1EEjqe7a , do i need to upgrade multilib also? and how do i do it, alienBOB [10:52] Skywise, -current is the testing release. think of it that way rather than developers release. [10:53] rahul it looks like you might have done installpkg instead of upgradepkg when you installed the multlib packages [10:53] so i should be able to fix that by doing removepkg and then upgradepkg right? [10:53] alisonken1home, i consider testing and development to be synonymous [10:54] Skywise, if you want to argue preciseness, then testing and development are two different things [10:54] rahul__: you can just removepkg the old non-multilib ones [10:56] alisonken1home, i wasn't trying to be precise tho, i was trying to convey why current isn't intended for a casual user, much as HEAD typically isn't either [10:57] alisonken1home, i don't think -current is for users expecting things to work or be complete [10:58] Skywise, but there is no compulsion, i am no expert but i want to stay bleeding edge on apps i use [10:58] thats cool [10:59] but typically people thing that current is the current release or stable, when it isn't [10:59] s/thing/think [11:01] ah thats a fair point [11:01] -next would make more sense [11:01] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:02] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:02] yeah, something less ambigous [11:03] although I think suffering is good for the soul [11:03] lol [11:03] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:03] which is one of the reasons I get such a chuckle out of people saying "oh shame on you for suggesting that someone update their glibc packages blah blah" [11:04] you'll never learn anything unless you fuck up really solidly a bunch of times [11:04] hehe [11:04] linuxquestions makes me nauseas for that reason [11:04] you can learn more from mistakes then success [11:04] freelibrary (~notRoot@p548F6148.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:04] one oops teaches more than 10 yays [11:05] maybe Skywise current-experimental would make people aware [11:06] it should be something along those lines [11:06] how about slackware-DOOOOOOM [11:07] or maybe just current is fine [11:07] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [11:07] and ask someone [11:07] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:08] can i install / rebuild the multilib packages after i upgrade to current? [11:08] you shouldn't need to ask. [11:08] or maybe calling beta or even gamma [11:08] or do i need to do that, cos i am running skype thanks to multilib and i want it to keep working... [11:08] rahul__: theres a different batch of multilib packages for current [11:08] you can upgrade them like any other package [11:08] where do i get that from GooseYAr1 [11:09] from alienbob, look for "13.1" [11:09] in general wouldn't the best way to get the latest stable version is to install 13.0 and then upgrade? [11:10] now when i removed the duplications #slackpkg upgrade-all was showing me and it is still showing me the same thing but now an emppty list [11:11] Skywise: the best argument in favor of that is that you can't safely tar up /etc then drop it onto a machine that has been freshly installed with -current [11:11] if you were running 13.0 previously that is [11:13] dont ask me how I know that [11:13] hehe [11:13] even the device names change [11:15] hmm i have 13 x64 running fine, if i use slackpkg upgrade-all, do i need to backup /etc as you said and drop it back after the upgrade? [11:16] nope [11:16] slackpkg will ask you about replacing things in etc for each package [11:16] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.52.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:17] well that would take a real long time GooseYAr1 [11:17] "For each package that contains a .new file" [11:18] what BP{k} said [11:18] i think it asked me for that and i said yes [11:19] is it ok to do #slackpkg upgrade-all , when running kde? [11:19] only one way to find out [11:19] no i do not want to crash when doing the same! Skywise , that would be very unwise [11:19] rahul__: you're running -current right? [11:20] oh well, theres no fun in that [11:20] BP{k}, i am not [11:20] Axius (~fd@92.84.0.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:20] no offense intended Skywise [11:20] none taken [11:20] rahul__: running upgrade-all inside might or might not work. It really depends what the changes will be. :) [11:21] like Skywise said, just one way to find out. [11:21] Hey, *I* was offended. [11:21] hmm.. [11:21] i like to upgrade in a console in single user mode [11:21] naked [11:21] rob0, i'll be ok, really *sniff* [11:21] init 0 for single user mode right, [11:21] rob0: we intended to do that. ;) [11:21] well it was unintentional intention [11:22] no 0 is to reboot, 1 is single user mode [11:22] and you wanna use telinit 1 [11:23] okies [11:24] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host217-42-253-149.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] downloading the multilibs from alien/13.1, waiting for em to finish ... another typical thing i am facing is that if my router is switched off and on wicd connects to the wireless network after connection loss, but I cannot browse, but if I reboot, all works fine. using wicd 1.7 [11:25] best to upgradepk while steaming drunk too [11:26] GooseYAr1: "steaming drunk, naked and while it's a full moon" [11:27] rahul__: 13.1? [11:27] BP{k}, no 13 [11:27] BP{k}: something about animal blood in there too [11:27] GooseYAr1: well while not go the whole hog and include virgin goats and the silver candles arranged in a pentagram. [11:28] with the default 1.6.7, i get weird fonts and i cannot any button on wicd [11:28] none of my goats of virginal anymore :( [11:29] hahaha [11:29] :) [11:30] GooseYAr1, u should have spared the goats, [11:31] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [11:32] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] yeah [11:33] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:34] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:35] i blame my parents [11:37] LugarSivi (~LugarSivi@89-201-219-94.dsl.optinet.hr) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Noble (~stefan@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:06] june 31st [12:06] Urugami (~Urugami@adsl-177-232-8.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:07] awesome [12:08] sirslack1r (~sirslacke@p4FFF24A3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:08] anything fancy to look forward to? [12:09] xovan: don't believe what you hear [12:09] No release date is set yet [12:10] poo [12:10] I'm betting on that June 31 date. Fine choice. [12:11] I was betting on January but then I heard KDE 4.4 was coming out about then so I have no idea when it'll come out now. [12:11] rob0: ;-) [12:12] I still have faith 4.4 will make it in [12:12] Tomorrow you can play with my 4.4.3 packages first, they are built and tested, but I wait until KDE releases their sources [12:13] nice [12:14] art__ (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] what fun secret projects are you working on alienBOB? [12:15] art__ (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:16] If he told you, he would have to kill you. [12:16] Very fun indeed [12:17] I may still kill him, for fun [12:17] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [12:18] vaibhav (~landy@117.205.100.16) joined ##slackware. [12:20] v4nelle (~van@79.107.228.99) joined ##slackware. [12:20] srecko1 (~srecko@93-141-40-6.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:21] zux1wrk (1000@95.68.46.55) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:22] zux1wrk (1000@95.68.46.55) joined ##slackware. [12:25] v4nelle (~van@79.107.228.99) left irc: Quit: http://v4nelle.dyndns.org [12:26] Sonic (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:27] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:27] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-15-176.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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But still nothing on the website or mailing list for 9 months made me worry. [12:52] xovan: if in doubt refer to the Slackware FAQ on the website. "general FAQ - #5" [12:54] yeah [12:55] The Web site is typically only updated for a new release. It's in bad shape, mostly the same content as it was before the Wind River/BSDi thing. [12:55] which in Slackware terms happened after 7.1 and before 8.0 [12:56] I've only been using slackware since 12. [12:56] stopped using it when I got my new computer. [12:56] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:56] then on 13 I used it again. [12:57] Linuxero (~david@80.30.14.131) joined ##slackware. [12:57] vaibhav (~landy@117.205.100.16) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:58] buenas, una pregunta żque tal iria el slackware 13 en un macbook intel core 2 duo con 2 GB de ram, 120GB de hd, una Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960, wifi broadcom bcm4328, webcam isight y canon ip1600? [12:58] Linuxero: I am guessing you want ##slackware-br. [12:58] or restate your question in english. [12:58] mierda [12:58] perdon [12:59] Linuxero (~david@80.30.14.131) left irc: Client Quit [13:00] Mcar (~chatzilla@CPE-58-165-232-89.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Reading slackbook and going to install slackware soon, what desktop enviorment should i get? [13:01] Mcar: what is your preference? Slackware comes with a lot of them [13:01] um, depends on a lot of things, mostly on what you like. xwmconfig(1) will let you easily try them all out. [13:01] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:01] hitest, something that is easy to use and won't break 24/7 [13:01] (not KDE) [13:01] how about xfce? [13:02] only fluxbox, or awesome ) [13:02] I like fluxbox [13:03] xfce is apparantly cluttered [13:03] cluttered? [13:03] fluxxbox is apparantly too minimal [13:03] xovan. yeah, apparantly [13:03] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:03] Mcar: xfce is cluttered? [13:03] what do you mean? [13:03] hitest, thats what i heard [13:04] hitest thats what i heard.. [13:04] no, it is a good choice [13:04] Sounds like you know what you want; you'll have to look around and see what's the best fit. [13:04] hold on a sec let me get you a pic. [13:04] Mcar: why not just try it and form your own opinion [13:04] why dont you try it and form your own opinion? [13:04] agreed [13:04] surrounder, great idea! Just looking for some foresight [13:05] Well I've seen KDE (more like BREAKDE) and it's ...ugh so fluxbox or xfce [13:06] fluxbox is very light and fast; xfce has more functionality. [13:06] http://productivegeek.com/forums/attachments/productive_1264779220.jpg [13:06] my desktop [13:06] hitest, I see, well then, I'll test them out [13:06] fluxbox+3ddesk, kde+copmise-fusion ) [13:06] xovan, thats only xfce? [13:06] yep [13:06] Looks very good, well I'll get cracking and look at them both. [13:06] thanks guys [13:07] seeya [13:07] Mcar (~chatzilla@CPE-58-165-232-89.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.0.19/2010031422] [13:07] xovan, that's slackware? [13:07] yep [13:07] slackware uses the official FF icon :> [13:07] zux1wrk (1000@95.68.46.55) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:07] no iceweasel? [13:07] unless its namaroka [13:08] in which case it can come out as a little planet. [13:08] you recompiled it just to change the icon? [13:08] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:08] lol. [13:08] bbiab [13:08] I compiled FF to get 3.6 when slack was still on 3.5 [13:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:09] I like a boring desktop with little flashy colors. [13:10] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:16] xinsrt (insert_@187.41.43.8) joined ##slackware. [13:16] i miss grayscale displays [13:17] insert_ (insert_@187.41.0.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:17] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [13:18] I have an old Mac with greyscale display [13:19] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:21] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] SlackNeo (~SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:26] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Nick change: mach_kernel -> mach_kernelvpn [13:28] mach_kernelvpn (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Power...off. [13:29] gazzer (~gaz@212.183.140.35) joined ##slackware. [13:29] gazzer (~gaz@212.183.140.35) left irc: Client Quit [13:32] graffz (~graffz@unaffiliated/graffz) joined ##slackware. [13:32] konstbac (~konstbac@77.49.199.118.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:33] mach_kernelvpn (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] mach_kernelvpn (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] SlackNeo (~SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:36] Hello guys. I have just installed slackware and I'm facing a few problems. The whole system is really slow and i think that the fault might be my driver. [13:36] my driver is this: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) [13:37] do you know what shall I do? [13:37] mach_kernelvpn (~no@74.73.253.34) joined ##slackware. [13:37] i lol'd [13:39] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] excuse me? [13:39] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:40] terminology fubar. [13:40] im sorry konstbac ... i helped spook cross the street and all he saw was chickens. so he couldnt help it [13:40] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:40] konstbac: get a real CPU and motherboard and maybe it'll get better :P [13:40] hmmm [13:41] since when are we saying such hardware is slow? [13:41] i cant tell. im on intel black magic myself. [13:41] and you say whole system, it's a bit weird, only display or absolutely everything? [13:41] jg71: hahaha [13:41] Action: adrien wonders if these cards do 3D yet [13:41] actually only display [13:42] slackware13? [13:42] adrien: It's an AMD chipset with an AMD CPU. It's going to be slow :P [13:42] LSD`: ... [13:42] Linux nabucho 2.6.34-rc6 #33 SMP Fri Apr 30 12:31:53 CEST 2010 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [13:42] come again please [13:43] I have a 940 Phenom II. What's your point? [13:43] @adrien yeah slack13 [13:43] LSD`: they're not exactly what I call slow... [13:43] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:43] adrien: They're not exactly fast, either [13:44] LSD`: what do you run that takes time? [13:44] Action: spook has a 45nm core2quad :) [13:44] bah, I can't remember how to check if it's vesa or radeon running... [13:44] Action: adrien remembers his cpu was much faster than spook's [13:44] well, in *this* benchmark [13:44] spook: I was going to buy one of those, but at the last minute I decided to go with my heart instead of my head >_< [13:44] spook: tdp 65 watts? [13:44] something like that [13:45] at the time it was the best value for money [13:45] anything more is waste [13:45] btw, my computer uses like 50W idle [13:45] v4nelle (~van@79.107.228.99) joined ##slackware. [13:45] btw, my computer gets things done ;) [13:45] i've never measured [13:45] 50W wall plug, 40W after PSU [13:46] Bl0tt0 (~Bl0tt0@24-148-45-78.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [13:46] LSD`: but what do you run that feels/is slow? [13:46] anyone know how to fix a usb drive that has become write-protected? [13:46] Bl0tt0: hit it with a hammer? :P [13:46] ?! [13:46] lol [13:46] konstbac: are you using fglrx? [13:46] Bl0tt0: hit it with a bigger hammer [13:46] radeon would be good too [13:46] not sure [13:46] as long as it's not vesa... [13:47] adrien: depends on the card [13:47] first time with ati [13:47] konstbac: what card? [13:47] konstbac: then you don't use it I guess [13:47] i'd look at how you're mounting it [13:47] NaCl: hmm, yeah, especially 13 and not current [13:47] I am using fglrx on -current [13:47] 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) [13:47] LSD`: so, which app/program? (I keep asking because I'm about to leave) [13:47] http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/ATI-Wiki-Slackbuild_%28ENG%29 [13:47] konstbac: radeon should work for you [13:47] it seems like it's a hardware thing though. I can't even run fdisk on the drive [13:47] konstbac: is that a laptop? [13:47] yeah [13:47] Bl0tt0: checked dmesg? [13:48] radeonhd, rather [13:48] adrien: it's not that anything I run feels slow, it's just that I overpaid and AMD underdelivered, like they have been for the last 3 years [13:48] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [13:48] so you're talking about quality/price and think intel would have been better in this regard? [13:49] adrien: just says Write Protect is on [13:49] Bl0tt0: and before? pastebin it [13:49] The Q9550 wasn't much more expensive than the 940 Phenom II, was faster and to top it off has a superior motherboard/chipset platform [13:49] faster? how? [13:49] hey how about you douches go nerd out on offtopic [13:50] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:50] hmmm, my chipset and motherboard are excelent [13:50] adrien: what chipset? [13:50] http://pastebin.com/WNreWBtk [13:51] Nick change: mach_kernelvpn -> mach_kernel [13:51] 785GM [13:52] Yeah.... That's fail [13:52] why? [13:52] Bl0tt0: does anything appear in dmesg when you try to access/mount/fdisk it? [13:52] unless you're pairing with with a cheap Athlon II and giving it to someone for web browsing and whatnot. The crap south bridge performance isn't really an issue there. [13:54] just what's in the pastebin [13:55] I'm asking you for *one* thing: facts, can you pinpoint the problem, give details, _anything_ ? [13:55] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Bl0tt0: tried on another computer? [13:55] yeah [13:55] same issue in windows [13:55] xchg (~lamer@ks20206.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Bl0tt0: well, you have data on that key? [13:56] _plasmic_ (~hebop@unaffiliated/-plasmic-/x-1636578) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:56] yeah, I can still access the data, I just can't write to it [13:56] adrien: http://techreport.com/articles.x/17328/8 [13:56] well guys unfortunately nobody answered me, so you could you please answer me how can i use radeon [13:56] ? [13:56] Bl0tt0: have a backup? [13:57] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:57] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:57] LSD`: you have a wide screen or not? (16:10 or 16:9) [13:57] adrien: SB700 and SB750 have similar problems. SB850 is OK, but not great. As I said, fine for cheap machines, but as you get up there in price Intels chipsets just walk all over it [13:58] LSD`: you're basically showing that it's performing better than the G41... [13:58] adrien: yep [13:58] adrien: only when you don't use AMDs drivers. [13:59] adrien: other reviews compare them to the ICH10 as well. Same story. [13:59] LSD`: you're on windows or linux? [13:59] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:00] insert_ (insert_@187.41.30.76) joined ##slackware. [14:00] I suspect the AHCI support in Linux will give results closer to the generic graphs, but still... [14:00] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:00] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:00] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) joined ##slackware. [14:00] konstbac (~konstbac@77.49.199.118.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:00] so you're blaming the hardware for the software anyway? [14:01] (I know my Tao which says software and hardware ain't nothing without firmware btw) [14:01] and well, it's running great on slackware [14:01] xinsrt (insert_@187.41.43.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:02] Bl0tt0: I don't know, could be failing hardware unless there is a physical switch [14:02] so backup everything first [14:02] Bl0tt0: also, check for dust or anything [14:04] adrien: It's not just the SATA performance that's sub-par, but USB and PCIe are lower than they should be. The G41 is using ICH7, which is some 5 years old. AMD should really be doing better. [14:05] adrien, it's hard to believe that it's failing hardware, as this drive isn't even a year old. I suppose it's possible though [14:05] well, my drives only reach 150MB/s sadly, not like I'm going to bother to get 350MB/s instead of 340MB/s [14:05] plus actually, the link you gave shows the amd chipset is performing better [14:05] Bl0tt0: well, shit happens [14:05] but if could be dust, physical shock... [14:06] as for USB, it's even worse, show me a device that reaches 50MB/s! [14:06] Bl0tt0: actually it doesn't matter, no manufacturer is going to make USB2 faster than USB2, noone is going to spend (waste) time doing that [14:12] I fixed it! [14:13] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-81-91.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:13] konstbac (~konstbac@77.49.199.118.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:14] had to use a windows app, and it formatted the drive, but it's working now [14:14] hi again guys. unfortunately, the last time no one has answered me, so i ask again. how can i use radeon? my vga card is this: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) [14:15] what do you mean use? [14:15] when you boot the machine you don't see any little letter appear? if so, the video card is being "used" [14:16] Typically on the back side there will be one or more places where you might connect a monitor. [14:16] step #1: plug your computer into the wall [14:17] if i'm right i use vesa driver, so how can i use the radeon one? [14:17] konst, aha, we're approaching a good question...\ [14:17] In Slackware 13, hald should detect the device and use the right driver. [14:17] we still don't know if you mean console or X but i'll assume the 2nd [14:17] Ç [14:17] look in /var/log/xorg.0.log for clues on which driver is being used [14:17] x [14:18] i saw it there. that's why i think that i use vesa [14:18] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:19] well lets move from "think" to "know" post the log somewhere like pastebin [14:20] http://pastebin.com/MbLEcPdH [14:21] it is using "ati" driver which is radeon [14:21] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [14:22] well the x is still slow so what's the prob? [14:22] slow how? [14:22] Again, if you're using hald, this is automatic. Ah, now getting to the real question. [14:22] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [14:23] looks like you have dri issues [14:24] well for example when i'm on a site and i'm scrolling down the page, it's really slow.. however, the problem isn't the firefox cause i have the same prob with the text editor [14:24] have you done anything weird like tried out fglrx? [14:25] no [14:25] then your card is probably too new for the kernel you use [14:25] konstbac: is your user a member of the "video" group? [14:26] what card is it? [14:27] 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) [14:27] yes i'm in video and the card is ^ [14:27] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:27] is that a relatively "new" card? [14:27] relatively, yes. [14:28] ok, so it could mean you need to upgrade your kernel/mesa [14:28] The radeon driver should automatically be used for that card. [14:28] it's at least a year old [14:28] pastebin lspci -v output konstbac [14:28] konst: glxinfo | grep -i renderer [14:29] that will tell you if you're using HW or software rasterizer [14:30] On slackare 13.0, but would be software rasterizer unless he's using fglrx. [14:30] s/but/that/ [14:30] GL_RENDERER: Software Rasterizer [14:31] alreadygone, w8 a min to pastebin it [14:31] that's my guess as to why the perceived slowness, upgrade your warez [14:31] With slackare 13.0 there is no 2D or 3D acceleration with that GPU with the radeon driver unless you use the kernel in /extra [14:31] The kernel in /extra will get you 2D acceleration. [14:32] -current will get you 2D and 3D acceleration, if you are willing and daring. [14:32] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] ah, what is the default kernel in 13? [14:32] http://pastebin.com/Fz0LhSUu [14:32] Bl0tt0 (Bl0tt0@24-148-45-78.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) left ##slackware. [14:32] konst, uname -r [14:32] mancha: 2.6.29.* iirc. [14:32] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:33] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] konstbac: can you post the results of "ls -la /dev/dri/" and "id" please [14:33] konst, go with adamk's first suggestion (kernel in /extra) [14:33] mancha, 2.6.29.6-smp [14:33] i'd leave moving to -current for another day [14:34] ls: cannot access /dev/dri/: No such file or directory [14:34] You need at least 2.6.30.* for 2D acceleration. [14:35] i presume there's a howto for the upgrade to /extra's kernel somewhere. if not someone might be able to walk you through the relatively simple process [14:35] Transformer (Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [14:36] though i think adamk might have meant /testing [14:36] Oh, yeah, my apologies. [14:36] I was going from memory hear. [14:36] konstbac, interesting: http://bit.ly/cnKRTW [14:36] here, even. [14:37] aha, yes, there is a detailed README in the kernel dir in testing. if you read that you should be ok [14:37] Interesting, but completely devoid of any relationship to his problem. [14:40] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.64.99) joined ##slackware. [14:41] on the testing i see the 2.6.30.5, so shall i install this one? [14:41] yes [14:41] ok then thank you :) [14:41] :> [14:42] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-210-195.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Axius (~hi@92.84.20.5) joined ##slackware. [14:47] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:48] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [14:50] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [14:50] Axius (~hi@92.84.20.5) left irc: Client Quit [14:52] konstbac (~konstbac@77.49.199.118.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:55] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:56] hey alienBOB [14:56] going to make 4.4.3 packages? [14:56] KDE 4.4.3, that is [14:59] NaCl: they are already finished even [14:59] But I am sitting on them until KDE release their sources officially [14:59] ah [14:59] Action: NaCl waits patiently [14:59] And they have a pending security disclosure, they are sill looking if that will affect the 4.4.3 sources [15:00] yay security [15:00] thanks [15:00] The 4.4.3 is running fine here ;-) [15:00] johndee (~id@95-29-182-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:01] I have a question abut LVM. Can I create both unencrypted and encrypted LVs within one PV for, say, /boot and / ? [15:02] Sure [15:02] why wouldn't you be able to? [15:02] alienBOB: is the run command interface not crashy now? [15:02] NaCl: it was never crashy for me (well, it may have disappeared once of twice) [15:02] alienBOB: And grub will be able to boot from LVM just as it would from normal partition? [15:02] alienBOB: it freezes here [15:02] .12' [15:03] Dominian: I'm not very familiar with it. Experimenting atm :) [15:03] johndee: I don't do grub so I will not answer that [15:03] alienBOB: sometimes, anyway. [15:03] alienBOB: Ah, ok. Thanks. [15:03] NaCl: I use Alt-F2 a lot, (almost) never fails me [15:04] Lilo will boot of a LVM but I have no idea if grub manages that [15:04] hm. [15:04] alienBOB: ok, just curious [15:04] alienBOB: If LILO can do that, I'm sure Grub does too. [15:06] Don't hold your breath johndee [15:06] http://i.imgur.com/UJ2rP.png [15:06] Bah. Bootable partitions caanot be on a logical volume [15:07] johndee: grub2 works with lvm [15:07] according to the grub2 people [15:08] I wonder if that means /boot partition or boot flag in MBR... [15:12] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Probably partition. So I can't actually have /boot on LVM? [15:17] graffz (~graffz@unaffiliated/graffz) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:17] graffz (~graffz@unaffiliated/graffz) joined ##slackware. [15:18] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:19] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:21] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:29] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:29] johndee: yes you can , at least with lilo [15:29] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.64.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:29] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:31] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:32] Noble (~stefan@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.224.24.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:33] I successfully installed Slackware-current on my desktop. Comming from Arch, Debian and Ubuntu I'm used to a package management tool like pacman and apt. I have understood that this is not the way you guys do it in Slack, HOWEVER, could somebody point me in the right direction on how you DO do it? [15:33] ArTourter: Well, the partitioner said I can't use such layout... [15:34] Noble: www.slackbuilds.org [15:35] lw0x15_: I see, thanks. How does slack handle package updates? [15:36] installpkg [15:36] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#PACKAGE-MANAGEMENT [15:37] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:37] acidtripper (~gonza@190.188.115.210) joined ##slackware. [15:38] XGizzmo: Ty. [15:39] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:39] What is the most common errors when comming from friendly distros like Debian? [15:39] debian, friendly? lol [15:40] Noble: Not using slackware's packaging systems and turning filesystems into a dump :) [15:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:40] by ./configure; make; make install chant [15:40] so checkity check your disk before you wreck yo disks! [15:41] johndee: what partitioner? [15:41] I see. [15:41] ArTourter: Uh. Fedora's [15:41] Action: johndee *blushes* [15:41] oh [15:41] in which case, no you can't [15:42] if it is using grub1 which I think it is, you cannot have a boot on lvm [15:42] ArTourter: I'm sticking to usual scheme for now. I have no experience with this thing at all [15:42] ArTourter: Yes. It probably has grub1 [15:43] acidtripper (~gonza@190.188.115.210) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:44] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [15:45] gospch_ (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] gospch_ (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:47] gospch_ (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:52] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[16:02] I just got here [16:03] does anyone know if Stuart Winter is here? [16:03] hello im installing slackware 3 because it needs to be on a floppy. [16:03] i have the bootdisk now it wants a ramdisk [16:03] where can i get the other floppies im using http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-3.0/ [16:03] or possibly someone more experienced with arm [16:04] i have two and i consider myself quite proficient [16:04] oldtopman, What kind of hardware are you tunning? You can install much newer versions of Slack with floppies, you aren't limited to the old ones [16:04] OMG! slackware 3! Are you serious? [16:04] running* [16:05] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-166-239.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [16:05] this is going to take a while and i type slow [16:05] *begins dramatic music* [16:05] xsamurai (~munki@pool-173-60-195-60.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] I have an ibm 755cx [16:06] floppy, pcmcia network card, 1.4gb hd [16:06] 75mhz processor 40mb ram [16:06] i need something old [16:07] it runs win95/98 ok (and it has no sound card [16:07] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [16:07] damn small linux-no window manager [16:07] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:07] puppy linux-doesnt work [16:08] i'd find a distro that is meant for that kind of thing, over slackware from 10 years ago :> [16:08] BakedNoodle (~Baked@pool-173-55-47-174.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good! [16:08] i can put the hd into another lappy but i considered that almost pointless since i have 1.4gb hs [16:08] i can put the hd into another lappy but i considered that almost pointless since i have 1.4gb hd [16:08] all done [16:09] oh yeah, the ibm is 16 yrs old now [16:09] so i thought id get a distro to match the age [16:10] which brings me back to my original question: [16:10] where can i get the other floppies im using http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-3.0/ [16:12] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:12] oldtopman: try ftp://ftp.xcp.kiev.ua/pub/slackware/ its got old versions, i think 7.1 was the last with had floppy [16:12] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:13] Last night I successfully tethered my blackjack 2 to my laptop over USB for 3G access. I tried, for a few hours, to get it to tether over bluetooth but I kept getting "connection reset by peer" on both the PC and the phone side. Has anyone managed to tether a phone over bluetooth? [16:13] It works great over USB [16:13] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn180.78-99-102.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:16] thatsa lotta floppies, any idea of a netinst [16:16] antiwire: I have. Although it took one hour of smoking manuals [16:16] yeah I think that's the best route too [16:16] antiwire: Have you paired the phone with PC? [16:16] it won't pair [16:17] if I could pair it i'd be set [16:17] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [16:17] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [16:17] i keep getting "connection reset by peer" from the phone side and the PC side...which doesn't make much sense to me [16:19] T0nD0L (~ngik@202.70.59.3) left irc: Quit: [03:20 AM] ~.~ [16:19] So you try and bind the rfcomm channel, and it doesn't pair? [16:19] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [16:19] You using all the stock BlueZ config files? [16:20] stock as in the ones that came with Slackware current but configured properly... [16:20] antiwire: Unfortunately I formatted the drive with a little man on this thing recently, so I can only point you to linuxquestions.org for details. Query "slackware 13 bluetooth". In short, you start bluetooth services, edit /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf (somewhere there :)) to use a passkey, then scan for your phone from the PC, enter pin on the phone and voila. Then use pand to get on the netz. [16:21] I won't even tell that in *that distro* it takes less than five minutes. But that's offtopic :P [16:21] johndee: That is exactly what I am doing and it bombs out. [16:21] oh well [16:21] probably easier on the battery to just use USB [16:22] Can anyone check for me in what (KDE) package libkresources.so.4 is? [16:22] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [16:22] antiwire: Then you're missing something, because it should work. Just takes some tinkering to set everything up [16:22] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:22] /var/log/packages/kdepimlibs-4.3.5-i486-1:usr/lib/libkresources.so.4.3.0 [16:22] Thanks :-) [16:23] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:24] graffz (~graffz@unaffiliated/graffz) left irc: Quit: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs043.snc3/13038_175663165562_505065562_3478769_1635872_n.jpg [16:25] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:07] Mrengima, slackware by default oesn not set up blocing iptables rules [17:10] that said, your command will indeed allow input (ie packets to that machines) port 23 which is often where telnet daemons listen [17:11] not the telnet daemon, but inetd [17:11] and you don't really wanna allow telnet, and should use ssh instead [17:12] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.39.44) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:15] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:15] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-166-239.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:16] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [17:17] xinsrt (insert_@187.41.35.104) joined ##slackware. [17:17] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:17] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-096-043.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. 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[17:30] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:32] evanton: same as 13.0 [17:32] at least til now [17:32] evanton : /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [17:32] that wasn;'t the question [17:32] i dont know what exactly 'utf-8 by defsault means' [17:32] ...though [17:32] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:33] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:35] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] sahk0: skipping the question during installation? [17:40] no, but that doesnt automagically convert everything to utf-8. it just appends the option to lilo [17:40] I know ;-) [17:40] and find it quite unlikely it becomes the default before a few version [17:40] s [17:40] so if the question is about 'yes' being the default answer in that question, then its a no [17:41] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:42] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:42] bbl [17:42] I've found a couple of times that simply setting LANG and LC_ALL to utf-8 when launching a program is not enough, that's why I've asked [17:42] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:42] something inside glib puked when I did that :) [17:43] evanton, if the application/program is not utf8 aware then your locale makes zero difference [17:43] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.224.24.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:43] anyhow, changing locale on slackware is the same as on most linux distribs [17:43] mancha: the app is utf8 aware, it's a gui app that uses qt4 [17:44] then you're doing something wrong. [17:44] for now I'm happy with a non-utf locale [17:44] as long as you're happy the slackware community can rest easy [17:45] some people are still kind enough to take such complaints as valid bug reports and make their apps backward compatible for non-utf locales [17:47] tropsobor (~tropsobor@dsl-67-212-0-86.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:48] hi, I have Slackware 13.0 and using wvdial and MF636 usb modem to connect to the internet, everything works fine except the DNS resolution. I can't ping google.ca, but can ping its ip address, can someone help me? [17:49] like where to look for the problem [17:49] anyone use xfce4? i'm looking for a nice laptop power manager [17:49] What is in your /etc/resolv.conf? [17:49] do you let dhcpcd edit /etc/resolv;conf? [17:49] if not just put a nameserver in there, say opendns [17:50] oh wait wvdial, so this is some kind of ppp, innit [17:50] let me check [17:50] there are cases when it is not possible to use opendns. it doesn't happen often, but it still happens [17:50] so generally it's a good advice [17:50] evanton, explain what that means please [17:50] when is it not possible to use opendsn? [17:51] phrag: what do you want it to do? [17:51] mancha: moronic provider blocking dns requests to any servers except its own :-) [17:51] btw, which cpu? atom?* [17:51] ahh , I think I see the problem [17:51] content is [17:51] serach lan [17:51] nameserver 192.168.1.254 [17:51] this is from when I had a wired connection [17:51] thinkpand, old celeron [17:51] tropsobor: that is a local ip [17:51] right, that shoulod be nameserver a.b.c.d [17:52] with a read dns server there [17:52] s/read/real [17:52] phrag: like ...xfce4-power-manager in xap/ ? [17:52] phrag: ok, was asking because on (most?) atoms, it seems cpu frequency throttling actually lower battery life [17:54] i;ll try that sahk0, thought there was one, just could find it [17:54] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:54] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:54] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [17:54] adrien: where have you heard this?? [17:55] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:55] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:56] thanks adrien for info =) [17:57] sahk0: I benchmarked it [17:57] on two different netbooks [17:57] (I wouldn't have propagated that without checking/seeing it first) [17:57] now that you mention it ill try it too [17:58] sahk0: I'll be very interested to hear back about that, needs more tests [17:58] ok, i just figured you read it somewhere. ie. being common knowledge being ignorant of [17:58] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:58] it's not much but if the computer is faster and uses less power... [17:58] *YAWN* [17:59] I think I found out about that after modprobing the module that throtles the cpu and saw a battery life decrease [17:59] yes! it worked, thank you mancha and evanton [17:59] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:59] mancha: once, a teacher of mine so a student yawn and threw a chalkstick at his mouth, she aimed pretty well [17:59] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:00] tropsobor no problem. you can have your wvdial/ppp thing set it up automatically usually from provider provided dns info [18:00] hopefully for the guy, he had put his hand in front of his mouth the second before, can I send a chalkstick too? =) [18:00] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426415.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:06] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] anyone here running their own dns server and want to do a little test? [18:06] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:06] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. 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[18:13] Hello. I got a power failure about 10 minutes ago and now chromium doesn't run. It complains about incorrect permissions for /dev/shm [18:14] maybe you need to repair your filesystem before you make any changes [18:15] I booted my PC with the following parameters on lilo: Slack (this is my kernel image) 1 rdinit=ro [18:15] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:15] it booted with read-only /dev/sda1 [18:15] and did fsck -f /dev/sda1 [18:16] after that i rebooted and now it complains for wrong permissions on /dev/shm [18:16] when it was done, did you reboot or remount rw? [18:16] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [18:16] did it fix things when fsck ran? [18:16] i did stat -c "%U %G %A %a" /dev/shm and i see permissions 1755 [18:17] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15 [18:17] yes, fsck did some repairs [18:17] my question is should i chmod 777 on /dev/shm [18:17] or that could lead to more problems [18:18] is anything mounted on it? [18:18] you see /dev/shm is a shared memory device [18:18] tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) [18:19] ok that seems right [18:19] i know that, but that's how far my knowledge about that place goes [18:19] I just dont want to mess up the system, I put alot of work on it and it's simply perfect for me :) [18:19] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] btw [18:20] is this correct too ? /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered) [18:20] GooseYAr1 (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:20] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:21] try editing your fstab and make this change [18:22] change: [18:22] "none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,rw 0 0" to [18:22] "none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,nosuid,noexec,rw 0 0" [18:23] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [18:23] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:23] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:23] then remount /dev/shm [18:23] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:23] um, no [18:23] JosephK (Light@77.sub-75-227-101.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [18:23] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [18:23] /dev/shm has that permission set for a reason [18:23] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:23] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. 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[18:26] ok that seemed to fixed things up, thanks for the help Skywise and alphageek, if i encounter some strange behavior will come again :) gave a great day/night now :) [18:26] Axtroz (~axtroz@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:27] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:27] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:28] grazymax (~grazymax@host149-153-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:30] GooseYAr1 (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [18:39] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:40] for a second i thought i was on a different network :) [18:40] alphageek likes to get help in here, to avoid looking like a n00b elsewhere ;) [18:44] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:45] zarock (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) left irc: Quit: scrouix [18:46] allend (~allend@CPE-121-214-132-241.lnse3.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:46] zarock (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:47] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:52] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. 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[19:18] r0d (~rod@189.6.24.159) joined ##slackware. [19:18] %) [19:18] oh hey LinuxExpert I need some linux help [19:19] Hey all [19:19] Anyone familiar with UDEV and all that [19:19] Ye, how do we patch FreeBSD to run on Slackware? [19:19] ?? [19:19] I am in deep shit [19:20] I got a Verizon Wireless VZW broadband device... It does some awfully fakacta stuff... Anyway... I have to update the udev rules so that it ejects the mounted USB drives... And I have to then make it so that it creates the ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 devices which I think takes the modprobe command .... [19:20] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Anyone got a bit of experience screwing with this kind of thing?? [19:21] So far, or so it would seem, the only way I will be able to get this thing going with Slackware is using KPPP which doesn't seem to be a good option considering I don't use Xwindows... (I hate it) [19:22] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:22] its that a 3g modem ? [19:22] Yes it is [19:22] It is the USB760 by Novatel [19:23] man ... i got a zte to work over here but it was a biatch [19:23] rolando (~rolando@190.107.39.44) joined ##slackware. [19:23] they are all different [19:23] Nick change: rolando -> darkrho [19:23] Does that one have a flash drive that comes with it that you had to eject?? [19:23] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [19:24] THIS thing is a major bitch I can tell you [19:24] nope ... my problem was that the slackware recognized it as a storage device [19:24] r0d do you have enough experience to tell me how to edit the udev rules to make sure it actually ejects the flash drive mounts when they open?? [19:25] That's what MY problem is [19:25] So did you edit the udev cdrom rules?? [19:25] which it also is but i needed to make it recognizes as a modem [19:25] That's part of what I have to do I think [19:25] I want to install kernel from -current into 13.0. Which packages should I download? kerne-{firmware,huge-smp,modules-smp}? [19:25] darkrho: not advised [19:26] well Rod, I tell you, if you could help me get to the point where it ejects the "drives" it finds, that would be a good start [19:26] JosephK, not the rules i have never messed with that ... [19:26] so what did you do?? [19:26] Download the sources and the Slackware-current kernel configuration, and build that kernel on _your_ machine darkrho [19:26] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] JosephK, i used the program called usb_modeswitch [19:27] greetings and salutations [19:27] really?? [19:27] alienBOB, ok, i added "xfe" (file manager) to $BROWSER, it opens directories just fine.. but it also tries to open all url's in the file manager as well, which it can't handle [19:27] then when slackware recognized it as a modem i used wvdial [19:27] to call [19:28] wvdial i configured w/ the same options my modem had on the windows software [19:28] echelon: strange, I don't have that issue here [19:29] OKay [19:29] how do I start this new shiny bluetoothd? [19:29] in -current [19:29] R0d I am downloading it now [19:29] JosephK: you'll need usb_modeswitch [19:29] I am in the middle of a reinstall... [19:29] You guys going to be around in a bit when I get done with the reinstall?? [19:30] alienBOB, are you using kde or xfce? [19:30] Maybe. :) [19:30] alienBOB, I see. I thought I can save the download time of using full kernel source. [19:30] JosephK, so here's what i do now ... i put the modem on the usb port, hold a sec what the lights blink red to green twice, then i do the command usb_modeswitch ... wait again for the lights to blink then i do the wvdial [19:30] oh, there it is. [19:30] Okay r0d did you then have to use a modprobe command to get it to make the proper TTY?? [19:30] NaCl: be sure to move the rc.bluetooth into place [19:30] (rc.bluetooth.conf is gone) [19:30] wvdial?? [19:31] i'm using openbox [19:31] JosephK, dont remember i think i guessed the port lol [19:31] hahaha [19:31] JosephK: with usb_modeswitch properly installed, there will be no need for you to *do* anything. [19:31] its been awhile [19:31] Okay... [19:31] rworkman: I did, the dongle was just off when I started the daemon. I think I need to enable HID support. [19:31] Well, that wvdial thing... Does it work in command line?? [19:32] rworkman: also, it's not picking up a PS3 controller [19:32] JosephK, google for usb_modeswitch they have many manuals and documents about [19:32] wvdial its just a dial .. this is a command line one but you can use anyone [19:32] okay well, it's on my mac now.. Just going to send it up to my linux box when it is finished installing and all [19:33] alrite [19:34] You mean via bt, or one plugged into the machine? [19:34] v4nelle (~van@79.107.228.99) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:35] rworkman: bluetooth [19:35] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [19:35] picked up a wiimote, though [19:37] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:38] Weird. I'd be inclined to say that the ps3 remote was where the problem lies, but honestly, who knows? :) [19:38] I'm inclined to agree. [19:39] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [19:39] it pairs over USB or something [19:39] I forget what's the quickest way to get the kernel version [19:39] ?? [19:39] uname -r [19:41] do /exec uname -a :) [19:41] rworkman: so what starts hidd? [19:41] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] it doesn't exist anymore. hmmph [19:42] I lied [19:43] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [19:47] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:48] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:49] I just burned 2 bd-r coasters with cdrecord :P [19:49] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.39.44) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:50] i'm now burning with ImgBurn using wine istead [19:50] instead* [19:50] the weird thing is I tried my bd-re after nr 2 and it worked :P [19:50] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-hsmctxmcaifhkxmi) joined ##slackware. [19:51] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.39.44) joined ##slackware. [19:51] where shall I put system-wide cflags settings? I'm adding it into /etc/profile.d/cflags.sh [19:52] xsamurai (~munki@pool-173-60-195-60.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:53] I mean seriously that's 10us$ of bd-r's down the drain cause cdrecord wouldnt burn without error [19:54] I really appreciate the pointers rworkman and r0d [19:54] You guys are saving my ass here [19:54] heheheh [19:54] np anytime [19:54] Slack is a PAIN to work with on this particular issue, or was... [19:54] i am betting this will make it easier [19:54] I hope [19:54] make a script that is what i have ... [19:54] that's what I want to do [19:55] I want this this to boot up, connect the modem, and keep it connected [19:55] that's all I want this box to do [19:55] BRB [19:55] my its quite dumb lol it only starts the usd_mod and then adds a route [19:56] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:56] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.17.41) joined ##slackware. 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[20:10] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:12] rworkman: hah what timing, i just pressed "submit" to order a couple of motorola android phones [20:13] yay :) [20:13] i wont know what to do with myself [20:14] ive had this hello kitty nokia free thing forever [20:14] i dont think the screen is even color [20:14] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-2-211.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:14] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-2-211.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:15] i went to ginormous gun show at dulles last weekend and when I couldn't lookup the prices of anything i realized i was going to have to get a phone with a data plan [20:16] haha, very good :) [20:16] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.39.44) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:17] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] GooseYAr1, after a gun show you decide to buy a better phone? are you becoming a dealer? [20:18] no i couldnt figure out how hard to haggle on anything [20:18] so i left with nothing [20:19] =P [20:19] Not sure if Google Shopper can actually identify guns via imaging, but at least you can use the browser to look up prices. :) [20:20] yah gunsamerica is the best thing on the web imho [20:20] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:21] evanton (~lol@host-static-92-114-149-137.moldtelecom.md) left irc: Changing host [20:21] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [20:21] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:21] haggling with people at shops is in the same rank with root canals [20:24] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:27] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. 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[20:52] thats the spirit [20:58] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:00] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.17.41) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:01] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:01] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:01] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:02] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Zozma_ (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:02] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. 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[21:24] Help [21:24] I am in over my head here I think [21:25] sounds like something that works under Windows only [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AE8B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-096-043.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [21:34] goj (~goj@p4FE6ABAE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:34] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:41] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [21:54] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [21:54] ip-route (~iproute@200.172.83.136) joined ##slackware. [21:55] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:56] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:00] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:03] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.62.244) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [22:06] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:07] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:11] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:12] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] Anyone here know UDEV?? Check out the lines for the NOVATEL device at http://www.pastie.org/943040 Tell me if that is okay [22:14] The point there is to eject the damn automount of the USB storage device when it fires, which it always seems to [22:15] JosephK: What's the problem, not "ejecting" the "media"? [22:15] bogdan (~bogdan@74.198.12.3) joined ##slackware. [22:16] Well yeah.. In fact, I want to prevent it from EVER being mounted.... [22:16] are the slackware forums down? [22:16] Not enough there [22:16] I have been at this for 12 hours [22:16] no one HAS to help [22:16] Just if someone is willing, I could use it [22:16] Take a look how I did it with my Nokia modem here: http://blog.nielshorn.net/2010/02/using-a-nokia-cs-10-gsm-modem-on-slackware/ [22:17] thanks niels_horn [22:17] Very basic, but it works perfectly [22:18] Now, as always, YMMV, as I know nothing about your modem... But the technique I used has worked for several broadband USB modems in the past. [22:19] Okay that seemed to help [22:19] Now, how in the hell can I get it to dial? I have all the parameters set up for PPPd and chat... Peers and all that.... [22:19] Failing [22:21] niels_horn can I see your connect scripts and all?? [22:21] JosephK: Did you set up a script to call and a "pap-secrets" file? [22:22] JosephK: They're on my notebook, not on this box I'm using at the moment... :( [22:22] hmm.. anyone up for an ALSA challenge? typing the real query as you wait, 1 sec [22:23] Well... No I didn't [22:23] I suppose I could do that [22:23] I have the script to call and all but didn't do anyting about pap [22:23] JosephK: OK, 1st thing: do you get an ttyUSB or anything like that? Sometimes it creates a ttyACM or something similar... [22:24] bought a new netbook last month, everything works but the built in mic. or so I thought. testing with 'arecord -f dat test.wav' (or any -f combo so long as it's S16_LE & 2 channel) works a treat. my problem is I've never written an .asoundrc before. pointers? [22:24] JosephK: the "secrets" file depends on your ISP. Mine (here in Brazil) needs a user + password. [22:25] alphageek: hm, sorry, not in my field of knowledge... [22:25] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:25] yeah, .asoundrc is FM [22:26] getting the built in mic is the last thing I need to accomplish. then I'll have everything working on this sweet little beasty. asus eeepc 1001p [22:27] Mine does too [22:27] Wow I just found the CCL modem script for the modem on my mac where the modem actually DOES work [22:27] I bet I can figure out a lot from reading that [22:27] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Quit: Reversia Media Productions - DeluxeGrrl.com && KeepingYouHonest.com [22:28] JosephK: OK, brb... [22:30] hi, I have an Aspire One D150 running Slackware 13.0. Apparently Xorg fails to load the intel driver and resorts to vesa (800x600). Any chance I can get the intel driver to work at 1024x600? [22:30] tsccof (~tsccof@189.73.163.252) joined ##slackware. [22:31] bogdan, what does "dmesg | grep -i vga" show ? [22:31] er, actually [22:31] lspci * [22:32] lspci | grep -i vga? [22:33] right :> (which video chipset is it?) [22:34] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [22:34] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:34] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:34] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:36] the intel driver should support that just fine :( [22:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:37] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] how can I tell which driver Xorg is currently using? [22:37] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:40] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. 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I'm looking at Xorg.0.log but don't know which line to check for [22:59] grep drivers.*drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log [23:01] mogunus (~marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:02] gospch (~gospch@p5088EE9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:02] thanks alphageek [23:02] np [23:06] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:06] bogdan (~bogdan@74.198.12.3) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:06] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:08] mernilio (1000@h-223-74.A258.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [23:08] hi all! [23:09] opps .. im not banned! Thanks! :-) [23:09] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) joined ##slackware. [23:10] bogdan (~bogdan@74.198.12.3) joined ##slackware. [23:10] From a UFC standpoint.. My elbow is greeting you! [23:10] ;-) [23:11] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:14] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [23:14] sorry for that elbow thing ^^ i used to be banned here back in the days Not anymore it seems. [23:14] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] who are you talking to? [23:14] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:14] are the linuxforums down? [23:15] wario: not talking to you mofu [23:15] then who? [23:16] To my lovely girl! [23:16] haha :-) [23:17] <3 [23:17] fhobia: :-) [23:18] arkanabar (~arkanabar@pool-74-97-208-203.atl01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:18] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:32] Action: Delahunt is an Asus EEE PC 900A user who uses Linux [23:32] :) [23:32] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:32] Action: Delahunt high fives rworkman [23:33] do you have the same chipset? [23:33] intel 945gme? [23:33] bogdan, which chipset? [23:33] hold on [23:33] yes i do [23:34] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:34] gospch (~gospch@p5088D770.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:34] rworkman: yo. question for you. some time back (~2005), fred emmott gave me a tarball called slackware_scripts-0.1 ... it had scripts like bp, mkPACKAGES, mkMANIFEST ... any chance I can get the latest and greatest you use? [23:34] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [23:35] can I speak privately with you Delahunt? [23:35] um i'd rather it be in here so all can benefit, if that's ok with you [23:35] Delahunt, is that the 4G SSD model? [23:35] (assuming i benefit anyone) [23:35] sure [23:35] rob0, yes, i upgraded it to 16gb, and added a 16gb sd card, running ext4 on LUKS+LVM rather nicely in slackware 13.0 [23:36] what is the best way to find out the type of memory installed on a pc without having to install lshw? [23:36] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/linux/asus/asus.html [23:36] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.17.41) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:36] Mine is still on the 4G SSD, but I also have a 16G SDHC. [23:36] cool [23:36] well, apparently I'm missing xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ [23:36] bogdan, in slackware 13 you don't need an xorg.conf [23:36] but does the built-in config file ask Xorg to load dri? [23:36] you should be able to, as a user, simply "startx" [23:36] yes i think so, is DRI causing problems? [23:36] is this a custom kernel you compiled? [23:37] gospch (~gospch@p5088FA92.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] yes, it works, but very low resolution and dri is not working [23:37] no, stock kernel [23:37] hmm [23:37] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:37] mine works just fine [23:37] fresh install of slackware 13.0 [23:37] do you have these packages installed? [23:37] I was having X lockups with nothing in logs nor stdout, but since upgrading to the latest in -current all seems well. [23:37] /var/log/packages/intel-gpu-tools-1.0.1-i486-1 [23:37] /var/log/packages/xf86-video-intel-2.8.0-i486-1 [23:38] mine gives me no problems with stock slack 13 with stock kernel or latest and greatest kernel [23:38] yes I do, at least they're in /var/log/packages/ [23:38] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] hmm that's odd, it should work fine then [23:39] did you try startx as root? [23:40] Does anyone still sell these little guys? Newegg seems to have given in to monopolistic pressure against them. [23:40] no, should I^ [23:40] mwave.com [23:40] bogdan, try it as root first [23:40] brb [23:41] as for DRI this is a shot in the dark but make sure the user is in the video group [23:41] bogdan (~bogdan@74.198.12.3) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:41] startx as root might work, but the ^^ yes [23:41] what about telinit 4 [23:41] video group is the fix [23:41] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:41] gospch (~gospch@p5088FA92.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:41] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [23:42] I wouldn't want to run xdm on mine. [23:43] bogdan (~bogdan@74.198.12.3) joined ##slackware. [23:43] no luck Delahunt [23:43] i wouldn't mind owning a bunch more of those little eee pc's but alas [23:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:43] bogdan, hmm then i don't know, sorry, wish i knew [23:43] glxinfo | grep direct shows nothing [23:44] and I'm sure the answer is somewhere on linuxforums, but for some reason I can't access the forums.. [23:44] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] gospch (~gospch@p5088D3AA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] will an Aspire One user please stand up, please stand up? :)) [23:46] Action: fhobia stands up [23:46] ang: I have no idea what that was; possibly it was something he was using [23:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:46] Action: fhobia sits down [23:47] I can report that the 865 intel chipset works fine with X in -current [23:47] artmob (~arv6@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] rworkman: bummer. they have PV's copyrights all over them :) [23:49] gospch (~gospch@p5088D3AA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:55] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I cant help but think, the guy who likes the idea of tea bagging some one is pretty homosexualy motivated... [23:56] o_o [23:59] bogdan (~bogdan@74.198.12.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:59] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-159.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Mon May 3 2010