[00:00] Quiznos it's severely fucked, i'd give up [00:00] yabause seems to be more promising [00:00] briareus_: we expect a 500 page report by tomorrow evening. [00:00] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-34-141.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:00] APA formatted [00:00] Chakravanti ok; rm'd the auto* files; starting over. [00:00] better yet, RFC formatted [00:01] Quiznos, yabause tells me my window system doesnt support OpenGL? [00:01] it's a Gtk port of a Qt application [00:01] dbolgheroni: Speaking of Xorg, the version of Xorg shipped with Slackware 13.0 will not (in most cases) require an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file at all. Configuration [00:01] ... [00:02] Find that part. [00:02] and read the next paragraph too. [00:02] Chakravanti duno win [00:02] vbox 3.0.6beta1 ~ http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.0.6_BETA1/ [00:02] amad (n=Blackfee@114.59.211.88) joined ##slackware. [00:03] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [00:03] fire|bird: so you did the 32bit compat? [00:03] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:03] i tried to doxbox the PC version but it just gives me stupid shit [00:04] rworkman: ping [00:04] agentc0re: Yeah, and then after I installed that, Urchlay helped me out. He had the same issue and is using nspluginwrapper + 32bit flash [00:04] ok [00:04] agentc0re: so I did that too and it works perfectly [00:04] fire|bird: nice dude. [00:04] agentc0re: So, finally, that issue is fixed. :D [00:04] Quiznos, okay, how about this, how do i go about adding KDE to my installtion (which i skipped at install) formt he DVD? [00:05] agentc0re: and you know how much stuff I went through to try and fix it. :P [00:05] fire|bird: and created 10 more.. :P [00:05] haha [00:05] rakhel (n=root@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:05] i guess that everyone is happy with slack 13? [00:05] yep [00:05] there is someone who have a problem with display adapter intel GMA 950 in slackware 13.0 ? ... I can't run my X server [00:05] s/formt/from [00:05] Action: Dominian drinks his beer [00:05] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:05] BEER [00:05] dbolgheroni (n=dbolgher@189.110.206.244) left irc: "User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's" [00:05] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] Action: Chakravanti toasts Dominian [00:05] woot [00:05] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:05] Beer: it works when you don't have weed [00:06] Chakravanti standard installpkg [00:06] Action: Chakravanti scrapes his bowl furiously [00:06] cd kde/; installpkg *.t?z [00:07] okay [00:07] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Chakravanti: feener [00:07] just think of all the civil unrest that could be avoided at the mexico/ usa border if the usa could grow their own weed [00:07] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [00:08] antiwire, the line between addiction and dependancy is seperated by an obsure reference to a medical condition [00:08] dbolgheroni (n=dbolgher@189.110.206.244) joined ##slackware. [00:08] when the usa was young it was required [00:08] if that's what you need to tell yourself, more power to you [00:08] which, in my case makes it even more difficult to discern because it's mental [00:08] antiwire, awe i just went over this with someone else, i'll just say that all my symptoms were present far (20 years) before i ever smoked weed [00:09] insomnia, bipolar, etc. and tbh i would be fiending like this if the government werent oppressing my nonviolent behaviour now would i? [00:10] of course..pirates say the same shit [00:10] well if u were to use weed properly u certainly wouldnt be smoking it ,, only sprinkling it on your milk shake [00:11] Slaxxer, to the contrary, the THC-D isn't psychoactive until it's heated and broke down into THC-A [00:11] Yaarrrr, prepare to be boarded! [00:11] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:11] oh man! the guvnamant made him do it! [00:11] Action: agentc0re puts on tinfoil hat [00:11] so a milkshake, unless it was on the stove @ < 200 F wouldn't even be effective [00:12] Action: agentc0re hands extra to antiwire [00:12] Action: antiwire dons the foil badge of paranoia [00:12] arr [00:12] wesdol (n=bnguyen@113.22.41.26) joined ##slackware. [00:12] lol,agentc0re....after the booty,me hardys...X_O [00:12] Plug in the RDIF device! [00:12] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] tinfoil hats LOL, as if prohibtion of marijuana were some obscure and unverifiable conspiracy [00:12] s/RDIF/RFID [00:12] gov scans for aluminum foil [00:13] Action: fire|bird pads ##slackware with tinfoil and bubble wrap. [00:13] Slaxxer, popcorn is more effective anyway [00:13] remember keep the shiny side outwards...:D [00:13] IT'S TOO TIGHT!!! [00:13] Chakravanti: heh, thanks. [00:13] Chakravanti: we didn't link our hats to weed, we linked it to your comment about the guvnament [00:13] Dominian: pong [00:13] MLanden, every time i see you here.. i have gas [00:13] antiwire, well....who is it that prohibits weed? [00:13] AAAhhh more gouv talk.. [00:13] rworkman, i was looking at servers for 3 days and when it came time to bid, i forgot.. and it was half price [00:14] rworkman: pm? [00:14] Chakravanti: prohibiting weed forces you to be violent? [00:14] thanks,jeev....hi octane? [00:14] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:14] no, stomach gas [00:14] Dominian: sure [00:14] jeev: oops :) [00:14] antiwire, who said anythign about violence? i keep mine very well contained even without weed [00:14] can you recommend me an alternative for emu8086? dont want to switch to windows just to run that. [00:14] There's an -ot channel for political chatter. [00:14] and that's somethign for someone with Bipolar type I [00:15] wesdol i think i know of that one but what are you doin to need it? [00:15] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:15] yeah ##slackware-ot or something [00:15] ##SLackofftopic [00:15] ##slackofftopic [00:15] at least it used to be ##slackware-ot [00:15] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] ##Slackware!!! [00:15] it's no good elsewhere [00:15] actually I think it was ##slackware-ot before TR created yet another one.. [00:15] my client is suppose to join ti by default [00:15] i need a new irc client [00:15] tr? [00:15] jeev: sorry to hear...rolaids?....:D [00:15] xchat fucking blowz [00:15] TwinReverb [00:15] agentc0re: TwinReverb [00:16] go freaking figure it was him... :P [00:16] twinkie_TwinReverb doesnt resonate with me [00:16] oops [00:16] lol, that guy cracks me up sometimes. [00:16] TwinReverb doesnt resonate with me [00:16] Quiznos: i'm taking a microprocessors course and need that type of apps [00:16] nice [00:16] bakednoodle (n=bakednoo@207.233.110.67) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:16] wesdol you cant make it? [00:17] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:17] wesdol it wont piddle? make? get it? rofmlao [00:17] MLanden, no i prefer farting [00:17] [damn that gave me a belly laf] [00:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Operation timed out [00:21] dbolgheroni (n=dbolgher@189.110.206.244) left irc: "changing servers" [00:21] dbolgheroni (n=dbolgher@189.110.206.244) joined ##slackware. [00:21] uva (i=bno@118-160-170-159.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] Does anyone in here use TuxOnIce by chance? [00:22] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-170-159.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] is that the power saving patchset? [00:22] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-170-159.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:22] uva (i=bno@118-160-170-159.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:22] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:22] uva (i=bno@118-160-170-159.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] Since our upgrade of our phone system at work, i was finally able to pull out one of our oldest running machines.. a p1...no idea what the mhz was on it though. had a pair of edo 32mb dims. [00:22] mancha: the kernel level hibernate/suspend patchset [00:23] that machine ran our voicemail. [00:23] heh. [00:23] agentc0re: How'd the phone system transition go? [00:23] fire|bird: still working on the transition part. [00:23] anyone have a denyhost slackbuild or .tgz? i've been searching since earlier and google giving me LQ posts.. :) [00:23] ron1n, why are you doing this, the kernel has it already [00:23] agentc0re: Anyone asking how to use the new phones? :P [00:23] I have a spare 32mb dimm i'm gonna pull out of this 400i3 emachine... [00:24] fire|bird: a lot... so much it's effecting the vendors to the point that it's taking them too much time to make all the changes that they need to make. [00:24] Chakravanti redid autotools script files; ./configure now works better [00:24] but yours probably doesnt have another slot [00:24] wd: look in /etc [00:24] agentc0re: wow, are the new phones really that different? [00:24] omnidroid (n=omnidroi@m4c0436d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:24] Quiznos but GTk is still screwy? [00:24] mancha: it's feature set and performance is far superior http://www.tuxonice.net/features.html [00:24] fire|bird: .. let me find some pictures. :D [00:24] Chakravanti duno; its ref in the conf file is gone. [00:24] "redid" autoconf files [00:24] lol [00:24] agentc0re: i'm confused.. i see the config files but "whereis denyhosts" doesnt give an bin/sbin. [00:25] wd could that be etc/hosts.deny? [00:25] wesdol (n=bnguyen@113.22.41.26) left irc: "leaving" [00:25] denyhosts is a lame attempt at blacklisting ssh brute-forces, right? [00:25] agentc0re: basically i'm not finding the script / bin for it... is it build in if so how ps -aux doesn't show it. [00:25] I think so [00:25] mancha: oh stop. [00:25] :) [00:25] antiwire: you too.. [00:26] ^^ [00:26] wd: they can't brute force systems setup for key auth only... [00:26] antiwire: ok..im a newbie remember.. i'm not there yet ... [00:26] antiwire: but i will be . :) [00:26] dbolgheroni (n=dbolgher@189.110.206.244) left irc: SendQ exceeded [00:27] wd, i wouldn't worry about this....i suggest you choose storng passwrds, and you use tcp_wrappers [00:27] dbolgheroni (n=dbolgher@189.110.206.244) joined ##slackware. [00:27] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] mancha: really? [00:27] tcp_wrappers allows you to limit ssh connection attempts to hosts or subnets you trust [00:27] yeah, this blacklisting via iptables is a nonsense [00:27] mancha: i've been reading an article about that all day.. and i edited my inetd already [00:28] you can even use iptables for connection limiting and throttling too. I still think the best defense against a brute force attack is key auth though [00:28] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) joined ##slackware. [00:28] mancha: it mentioned to go into sshd conf and change port also. [00:28] thats also a half measure... [00:29] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [00:29] When I type text into ash on Slackware64 13.0 and then hit backspace a few times instead of hitting return, ash segfaults. Can anyone else reproduce this? [00:29] wd: changing the port will stop the dumber bots but it won't stop a person from fingerprinting it [00:29] mancha: something about change host.deny = ALL:ALL and host.allow sshd=intranet ip's.. however i can't find the denyhost app..darnit. [00:29] liberty $ ash [00:29] /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh: 14: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") [00:29] Yes. [00:30] $ lskdjjflkjadMemory fault [00:30] Solution: don't use ash. [00:30] :) [00:30] is uxterm the same xterm ? using different configs? somethimg like that [00:30] wd: if they mean hosts.deny then they are referring to /etc/hosts.deny [00:30] wd: I'd really look into key based auth. It will not only make logging in safer but it will also put an immediate stop to any brute forcing [00:30] Agreed, but a bug is a bug. Anyone know if the same happens on 32 bit? [00:30] this is the deny ruleset for tcpwappers [00:31] there is also a scipt called denyhosts which is different and it is a real-time brute-force thing) [00:31] dbolgheroni (n=dbolgher@189.110.206.244) left ##slackware. [00:31] antiwire: ok i'll google it later.. but i still need to learn this denyhost thing [00:31] wd: you'll still want to do some sort of connection limiting though, like what mancha is talking about [00:31] antiwire: ok [00:31] veritos: can't repro on 32bit [00:31] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-61-117.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:31] rworkman, k [00:32] It's a bug, but my opinion is: no rat's rectums are given. [00:32] dios_mio (n=freelove@88.241.134.69) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] mancha: right so denyhosts script isn't the one ruling the /etc deny files? what is? [00:32] wd, there is a file called /etc/hosts.deny [00:32] mancha: after i set the rules don't i have to restart the script? [00:32] http://rlworkman.net/conf/firewall/sshattacks [00:33] denyhosts is a script that runs and picks up on bad guys...if it finds any it adds the entry to hosts.deny [00:33] rworkman, I agree, but does volkerdi? Some people run their scripts in /bin/{a,}sh, so he might want to fix this [00:33] this is backwards, imho [00:33] veritos: I don't know the answer to that :) [00:33] hosts.deny should reject all [00:33] He can ignore it if he doesn't like it [00:33] fire|bird: so we went from this: http://images01.olx.com/ui/1/44/76/4663876_2.jpg To this: http://www.samsungphonesystems.com/images/iDCS_28B_Dark_Web.gif (pictures represent exactly to a T of what we switched to) [00:33] veritos: it's worth a mail for sure. As you say, worst case scenario is that it's ignored. [00:33] and hosts.allow should open up to trusted sites. not the other way around..open to all and block off the ones you find bruteforcing [00:33] mancha: right i found that one and the allow.. but once i edit them what app do i start to enforce the deny allow and deny rules? [00:34] veritos: probably ksh is a good substitute though. [00:34] mancha: or ist there an internal app/script like denyhosts on slackware 12.2 that does this? [00:34] wd, it is done on each connection, it is done once you change it. try it [00:34] PurpleSmurf (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] veritos: I use ksh as my normal shell, fwiw. [00:34] wow; my dns died severly [00:34] finger rworkman@slackware.com :) [00:34] agentc0re: cool. It doesn't seem like a huge change. [00:35] kinky [00:35] heh, I clicked those links and they opened in gwenview. :P [00:35] fire|bird: the phones changed color. :P [00:35] agentc0re: yeah, that's the biggest difference. :P [00:35] mancha: you mean once i change the deny/allow config files slackware will automatically control the rules like "denyhosts"? [00:35] Action: veritos isn't as badass as rworkman [00:35] i think opendns died [00:35] mancha: no way. [00:35] can someone put the hosts_access concept into a location in the networking stack? where does it get checked? [00:35] once you add the rules in those two, all future connections on daemons that invoke tcpwrappers will obey [00:36] mancha: get out. [00:36] PurpleSmurf: I'm using opendns, not having any issues. :) [00:36] :) [00:36] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:36] fire|bird k [00:36] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [00:36] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos [00:36] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:36] lol [00:36] :> [00:36] mancha: so there is NO denyhosts app installed [00:36] i really thought he left for good [00:36] keep it that way [00:36] wd i told you it's etc/hosts.{deny,allow} [00:36] it's a data file for tcp_wrappers [00:37] fire|bird: i mean we're obviously trying to iron out kinks because we're trying to make it how it was before. But people are asking the worst of questions. [00:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [00:37] wd: you don't need it. Any daemon that supports libwrap (tcpwrappers) will obey those config files [00:37] used within inetd etal [00:37] agentc0re: yeah, I can imagine. :P "Why does the screen on the new phone slant up?" :P [00:37] wd, listen to antiwire, he speaketh the trutheth, just make your changes and enjoy [00:37] Quiznos: i heard you and believe you but i was just reading about DenyHosts and i thought slackware put the config files there and i had to install it later.. but it's done automatically. [00:38] k [00:38] fire|bird: worse... "How do i put a call on hold?" [00:38] O_o [00:38] wd: this is a little more information than you need but it wouldn't hurt to look at it man hosts_options [00:38] agentc0re: OMG. "Hmm, tried the hold button" [00:38] antiwire: ok [00:38] lol,fre|bird [00:38] damn it ... gentoo is fading far and farther every moment. [00:38] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [00:38] wd, you are just confused (thanks to the confusing naming of the denyhosts app). this app is some 3rd party thing that edits the /etc/hosts.deny file (just likeyou could do directly) [00:39] fire|bird: That would require a brain. You already expect to much from my users. [00:39] mancha: super. ok [00:39] agentc0re: lol, that sucks, what kind of people do you work with? [00:39] aside from those who can't even operate a telephone [00:40] fire|bird: hahaha, this makes me chuckle... Nurses..Doctors....Medical staff... [00:40] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [00:40] Action: veritos is glad that his day job is IT for awesomely smart Ph.D. students. It makes even Red Hat somewhat bearable. [00:40] mancha: i'll be d@mn.... i've been searching the slackbuilds and robbie and alien's site for denyhosts and the d@mn thing is build in .. doh! [00:40] fire|bird: Basically most everyone that works there has a larger degree than mine.... since mine is 0 college. [00:40] agentc0re: so, those who are using I.V.'s, heart moitors, etc. OMG [00:40] wd: this is good too: less /usr/doc/tcp_wrappers_7.6/README [00:40] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:41] antiwire: ok. going there. [00:41] agentc0re: I'm surprised they haven't accidently on purpose MRI'd themselves. :P [00:41] fire|bird: no mri machines but we have a nuclear machine because we are a heart clinic. [00:41] oh lord, and they operate that but can't figure out a telephone. [00:41] ubergoober (n=Unknow@rrcs-67-79-148-162.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:42] amad (n=Blackfee@114.59.211.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'" [00:42] antiwire: 3.1 - How it works ..... oh yeah [00:42] Action: fire|bird hopes he's never where agentc0re is and has heart problems. :/ [00:42] hehe [00:42] wd, so sshd: ALL in /etc/hosts.deny and then sshd: LOCAL in /etc/hosts.allow would only allow ssh from local LAN [00:42] i think learning tcp/ip is harder than programming -_- [00:42] fire|bird: i'd make sure you saw the right doctor. :D [00:42] agentc0re: thank goodness. :) [00:42] other configs to suit your taste, needs, etc. [00:43] agentc0re: otherwise it'd be "fire|bird is now known as dead|bird" [00:43] fire|bird: so long you said... "It's me.....fire|bird|super|awesome|phoenix|store|silvery|gold|ass|hat" Or i'd never know. [00:43] hahahaha [00:43] fire|bird: or fried|bird [00:43] lol [00:43] :D [00:43] mancha: oh crap this is too good.. [00:43] I'd die because the nurse couldn't figure out the phone to call the doctor. [00:44] just call him KFC from now on [00:44] next thing you know someone tells me "Ya i'm fire|bird" and they turn out to be a troll. [00:44] Action: wd getting his credit card to donate to slackware...i've had enough! [00:44] lol [00:44] haha [00:44] lol [00:44] and then I'd be the bird formerly known as fire :) [00:45] mancha: ty [00:45] bird man!!!! :D [00:45] antiwire: ty [00:45] Quiznos: ty [00:45] antiwire you're involved in security, right? [00:45] wd, no problemo [00:45] yw [00:45] guess that's better than the ass formerly known as Jack...:D [00:45] buy a dvd of slacware if you like it, that'll help the devs keep making stuff [00:45] mancha: security, general networking, asshole who works on anything plugged into a wall [00:45] MLanden: hahaha [00:46] mancha: ok [00:46] hah, #3 probably pays the best of the three [00:46] lol [00:46] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.134.69) joined ##slackware. [00:46] who uses IceWM? [00:46] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.134.69) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] oops [00:47] Quiznos: what slipped? [00:47] dios-mio [00:47] i spent 7 years emerging and i'm learning more about "linux" through slackware... i'm not knocking gentoo i've loved it.. i see it has hindered me a little. [00:47] so, before i got undns'd, i was axing about Univision, if any were watching now [00:48] wd, gentoo is solid...we're all forever indebted to their amazing documentation [00:48] mancha: did they ever get it all back? [00:48] omg Disney bought the Marvel comic .com [00:48] wd: pretty soon it morphs into obsession, and then manic episodes [00:49] Quiznos: old news. :) [00:49] ron1n, that was so sad....apparently the server was held hostage [00:49] Quiznos: your so late dude, that was like forever ago [00:49] is Spiderman gonna have to partner with the mouse now? [00:49] ron1n pff yesterday [00:49] i can't understand how they didn't have backups [00:49] Craig Furgeson just mentioned [00:49] mancha: exactly.. i agree.. however my slackserver is still running without freezing/locking for three weeks and i've locked in gentoo. [00:49] new video game marvel vs disney ! [00:49] heh [00:49] antiwire: haha [00:49] FPS [00:49] ftw [00:49] KILL THE MOUSE [00:50] KILL THE SUB [00:50] mancha: I believe the VPS company they where dealing with held those too. [00:50] Donald Duck.....beware the quack!! [00:50] Street Fighter vs Disney/Marvel [00:50] ron1n, i think they were piecing together cached copies into a new project, last i heard they were in the high 90-percents of reconstruction [00:50] well i heard that intially, disney is going to keep the properties separate. [00:50] they aint gonna mess with marvel [00:50] mancha: thats wonderful to hear [00:50] ron1n, indeed, amazing story [00:50] Spiderman vs Mickey Mouse [00:51] Quiznos: they have plans to acquire Marvel's video game lisences. [00:51] not for a while superGear [00:51] they said that on record [00:51] ron1n ok [00:51] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@93.195.5.137) joined ##slackware. [00:52] Capcom will make a new Marvel vs Capcom with Disney characters! [00:52] antiwire: the inetd is tricked [00:52] heh [00:52] into running a small wrapper program. [00:52] Quiznos: ^^ [00:52] mancha: ^^ [00:52] not tricked, it does so voluntarily [00:52] genious! [00:52] k [00:52] mancha: ok [00:52] wd: that README is probably the best documentation on this [00:53] antiwire: yes it is.. d@mn it. i've install the full cd with the doc and howto's i'm gonna spend more time reading them.. afterall the devs put them there..see i'm a good newbie.. [00:54] good newbie good newbie. :) [00:55] hehe [00:55] antiwire: hehe, i have something for you to plug into the wall.... (15min later) if i could find the picture.. I found this site once where they had rewired all this shit to stuff that it should not be wired to... One was one side was a rj45 and the other was 110v power cable. lol. [00:55] antiwire: i'll do this simple thing.. later i'll read on "key based auth" [00:55] ew [00:55] the ethernet fixer [00:55] lol [00:55] agentc0re, can you say "rich chunky volts"? [00:55] at 1000 mbps! [00:56] i'm still waiting for conEd to be isp [00:56] all the conEd's [00:56] Does anyone by chance know what this means? "EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage " [00:56] power.com's [00:57] ron1n kernel boot time, low mem block used by kernel [00:57] Is there any way to get the Slack 13 ISO without using bittorrent? [00:57] extra big data area [00:57] :) [00:57] well, data block used by setup() in kernel [00:57] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30589.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:57] Nick change: kleanchap_ -> kleanchap [00:57] I'm admitting that I voided my warranty here, I applied some out of kernel patches. The tux on ice set. just asking to see if anyone can help [00:57] Quiznos: any idea on how to fix it? [00:57] nop [00:57] ask a kernel dev [00:57] alright thanks [00:58] will do [00:58] find in maintainers file [00:58] okay [00:58] vald0r (n=matt@142.162.10.234) joined ##slackware. [00:58] scorchsaber, http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0-iso/ has it [00:58] you just had to dig thru all of the mirrors [00:58] i'm out, one more beer and an episode of xfuile for me beofre i'm sleeping in the stars, i'll see you tommorow quiznos, or i'll be reinstalling slackware [00:58] pz [00:58] Anyone here really versed with C? [00:58] gn Chakravanti [00:58] vald0r maybe [00:58] just post it [00:58] Chakravanti (n=chunk@67.236.82.46) left irc: "Leaving" [00:58] http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem/faculty/pavel/Internet%20killer.jpg !! [00:59] vald0r [01:00] veritos: Alright, thanks. I should have been more thorough. [01:00] agentc0re, its possible [01:00] (after I hit ftp.slackware.com, I figured none of them had it) [01:00] scorchsaber, np. that one's gigabit so it should be fast enough for your purposes [01:00] scorchsaber, but to your credit, i went through 3/4 of the US mirror list before finding that [01:00] after I've compiled my kernel, does my corresponding config file need to be in /boot? [01:01] ok, im just learning it as i go so bare with me. what im trying to do is add a string to a Array thats in a loop. the loop reads a file and for each lines gets the value ch. It prints it to the display. but i want to add ch to a array for each line. [01:01] ron1n nop [01:01] but it helps [01:01] for where to find a copy [01:01] veritos: Easily good enough. Thanks again. [01:01] ron1n, it doesn't actually use it, it's just a standard place to put it so that you can find it again when you need it [01:01] alright [01:01] vald0r ok that's basic; did you ask in ##C? [01:01] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] vald0r how is array declared? [01:02] Do I need any special options in lilo.conf if I built a bzImage rather than a vmlinuz binary? [01:02] no [01:02] hmm [01:03] Quiznos: It said I had to be registered to talk on the channel so i just poped back here to see if any programmers were around. its a rather easy task i guess [01:03] orly? that byte [01:03] vald0r how is array declared? [01:04] register your nick and enter room [01:04] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:04] holy shiz them some fast vt switchs with KMS [01:04] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] byteframe, you have intel? [01:05] 855gm, veritos [01:05] glxgears is screwy [01:05] byteframe, flipping between X and the regular VTs makes me smile [01:05] veritos, what driver package are you using? [01:07] byteframe, stock -intel [01:07] no xorg.conf? [01:07] no [01:07] custom kernel? [01:07] actually, that's what i was about to ask you about [01:07] wescotte (n=wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:07] have you managed to get intelfb working with the stock slackware kernel? [01:08] vesafb keeps taking over before the module is loaded, and i'm trying to get around that [01:08] I avoid the advanced frame buffer drivers, they often complicate things. [01:08] i got it working perfectly with gentoo since i had a custom kernel; thinking of building a kernel here as well [01:09] I tried on huge-smp, and generic-smp, but my glxgears is distorted. I'll hopefully be able to fiqure it out [01:09] What intel gpu? [01:09] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.134.69) joined ##slackware. [01:09] what WM do you recommend? [01:09] dios_mio: fluxbox :) [01:09] ok [01:09] dios_mio, gnomeslackbuild.org [01:10] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:10] gnome is nice but requires high specs [01:10] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [01:10] dios_mio: fluxbox is super light :D [01:10] Prepare my suite at once. I'll be in the bar. [01:10] dios_mio: what are YOU looking for? [01:10] Xfce is my backup. [01:11] well I want something that will tell me in the taskbar when I get a new message in pidgin :D [01:11] xfce will. [01:11] Hum, question, i adjust my iptables rules to accept INPUT -dport 6667 & OUTPUT --sport 6667 [01:11] dios_mio: fluxbox will too [01:11] Xfce does I know, I just dont like it for some reason [01:11] We're can agree that this work for this server, but for other it doesn't [01:11] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] deco, I am compiling flux 1.1.1 right now.. slack's default install is flawed [01:11] The notification panel is everywhere. [01:11] dios_mio: why is it flawed ? [01:11] byteframe, it's just a mobile 4 integrated on my laptop [01:11] any idea why xchat display me it lag (27s) ? [01:12] deco, when you quit X log screen gives you many error messages [01:12] dios_mio: i don't get that [01:12] it's perfect for me [01:12] deco, 12.2? [01:12] dios_mio: 12.2 and 13 [01:12] hmm ok [01:12] byteframe, GM45 [01:12] yeah, i know [01:12] veritos, ny chip is older than that. [01:13] I think I might have to go custom kernel, as I often too, and change a few things. [01:13] pragma_ (n=pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:14] pragma_ (n=pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [01:14] i'd like to get around the initrd as well; the only thing in it is ext4 so it's a bit overkill [01:15] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:15] pi31415 (n=ben@98.246.78.78) left irc: "peace" [01:18] byteframe: are you using compiz? [01:20] vald0r (n=matt@142.162.10.234) left irc: Client Quit [01:24] MLanden, no, I would even prefer to disable to compostie extenstion. [01:24] dios2 (n=freelove@88.241.134.69) joined ##slackware. [01:24] hear ya,byteframe [01:24] Well, found a way [01:24] deco, how many items do you have in your flux menu "user styles"? I have 3 [01:25] MLanden, are you having problems? [01:25] gonzalo (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:26] hi? [01:26] hey guys, I'm now trying to install grub because googling has led me to believe lilo is at fault [01:26] lilofault [01:26] byteframe: no...you just said you had the older Intel chipset..and they can do compiz with some tweakin' (if one prefers) [01:27] Actually I think it was the hit-and-run driver's fault, not lilo's. [01:27] but I ran across a snag, grubconfig says ERROR: Can't find ext4_stage1_5 from the grub package [01:27] gonzalo, go ahead and ask away if you have a question [01:27] MLanden, I could always get it running, but all the earthquakes in the intel driver made it difficult. [01:27] didn't thrice mention that grub can't boot ext4? [01:27] byteframe: true [01:28] if he did, I didn't catch it. -_- [01:28] BP{k}, does Gentoo patch theirs? I never had a problem with it [01:28] Action: rob0 hugs his little /boot partitions [01:28] veritos: quite possible. [01:28] e? [01:28] sorry? [01:28] ron1n: what's wrong with using lilo? [01:28] gonzalo, do you have a question? [01:28] byteframe: which bios on the mobo? [01:29] thinkpad x40 [01:29] no? [01:29] why? [01:29] byteframe: sweet [01:29] im connected to talk about.. im using slack 13 at this moment [01:29] gonzalo, it sounded like you might, never mind [01:29] but are you the owner of the channel? [01:29] BP{k}: well, when trying to boot my custom kernel, patched with the suspend2 (tuxonice) patchset its telling me that "EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage " [01:29] if i wanna a ask some question is my problem not yours [01:30] gonzalo: probably because of your "e?" and "sorry?" statements which may give that impression. [01:30] the sorry was becouse he was so agressive and i have just come in [01:30] gonzalo, no need to be snippy, i'm just trying to help if help is needed. if it's not, then never mind. [01:31] ahh [01:31] all cool men [01:32] im having some problems to repoduce mp3 on amarok [01:32] and the compiling kernel, but well [01:32] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:32] :D [01:32] that's machine gun! they're firing at us! get down [01:33] i thought that you were ungry [01:33] ive installed 12.2 with luks + lvm using alien's guide..now my laptop install failed 3 times with the error something of my boot partition isn't active" what is this.. i have to set hda1 with a bootable flag during fdisk? [01:33] nah....that's Grunk....he's got a mean beat on the skins..:D [01:34] alienbob, take down your howto! [01:34] mancha: no [01:34] :) [01:35] mancha: ok i've counted 4 times you said that.. haha [01:35] mancha: that bad? [01:35] :) [01:35] ping gonzalo [01:36] dood you're pinging yourself [01:36] they make pills for that you know [01:36] ahaha [01:36] i did whois to see if in any place say where im [01:36] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) joined ##slackware. [01:36] antiwire: that's what I'm afraid of....he might start ping us...:C [01:37] someone know howto reduce dvd reading speed? [01:37] s/ping/pinging [01:37] in order to watch a dvd in 4x becouse it makes so much noise [01:37] gonzalo: which program are you using to watch dvds? [01:37] vlc [01:38] I have no experience with vlc [01:38] but it should be something in the system to set drive speed [01:38] i found a program called speedcontrol wich send bytes to the device [01:38] gonzalo: have you looked through vlc's options? [01:39] hdparm mehaps, gonzo/ [01:39] john_dee (n=id@93-81-2-3.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:39] gonzalo, look at the man page for eject, specifically the -x and -X options [01:39] yeah hdparm speedcontrol was similar [01:39] http://tinyurl.com/krutf2 [01:40] and about amarok? i insaled mp123 from extras [01:40] but no case [01:40] whos that woman? [01:40] E4 mehaps? [01:40] I dunno but she has some booze [01:40] lol [01:40] hi people [01:40] mpg123 is not a driver, it's a player program [01:40] antiwire: secretly hidden booze too. :P [01:40] hi Thom1 [01:40] aaa :P [01:40] indeed [01:41] and, whats the problem with amarok? becouse with audacius i can [01:41] gonzalo, i don't have my music on this machine so i'm not likely to be of much help [01:41] y0 Thom1 [01:41] can you play ogg vorbis stuff from amarok? [01:41] ok :D [01:41] jmonter (i=476ef2ac@gateway/web/freenode/x-lluwvqtlxaltnvma) joined ##slackware. [01:41] That must have been a fun time to live, minute the nice antibiotics we have now it had to be pretty cool. [01:41] r u using i386 or 64? [01:41] minute/minus [01:41] gonzalo, 64 [01:42] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:42] becouse i installed i386 in order to have less problems compiling, etc [01:42] but [01:42] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] antiwire: true [01:42] hello all, I'm back. [01:42] john_dee (n=id@93-81-2-3.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:43] someone know about that codecs? [01:43] dios2 (n=freelove@88.241.134.69) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:43] something went totally wrong with my distro, is there a way to mark all the packages I have for reinstall? [01:43] gonzalo, are you using the xine or gstreamer backend to phonon? flip them and see if that makes it work [01:43] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:43] jmonter: use slackpkg clean-system to make a list [01:43] jmonter: that's your best bet [01:43] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:44] jmonter: do you use sbopkg? [01:44] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:44] try to be more specific please my native language is spanish :P [01:44] jmonter: sbopkg queuing might be able to help you. [01:45] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.134.69) left irc: "leaving" [01:45] gonzalo: mplayer can use codecs but you will need to create the package: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/mplayer-codecs/ [01:45] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] with slacktrack? [01:46] but, the codecs i want r for amarok [01:46] becouse i can hear music there [01:46] Nick change: giuppy_ -> giuppy [01:46] gonzalo, gstreamer is a library that amarok can use [01:46] jmonter (i=476ef2ac@gateway/web/freenode/x-lluwvqtlxaltnvma) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [01:46] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [01:46] greetings [01:46] actually, all of kde can use it through 'phonon', a generic audio library [01:47] The-Croupier: y0 [01:48] MLanden: hiya [01:48] i have it installed [01:48] hows things going? [01:48] [ installed ] - gstreamer-0.10.23-i486-1 :S [01:48] okay got it to work guys. My kernel was named bzImage-TuxOnIce so I linked to to bzImage to see if that helps and it fixed it. [01:49] Action: The-Croupier has his laptop open at work today... ;) youupi [01:49] apparently the "-TuxOnIce" was the problem [01:49] gonzalo, gstreamer takes plugins for different codecs. you'll be using that slackbuild to install new codecs [01:49] Goin' great thanks and you,The-Croupier? [01:49] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] jmonter (i=476ef2ac@gateway/web/freenode/x-dggnztwhraitwcjv) joined ##slackware. [01:49] ron1n: good to know [01:49] The-Croupier: what kind of laptop? [01:50] not bad, using may slack-laptop finally for a bit, and checking things that i left behind in my slackware all these da ys [01:50] the one of mplayer? [01:50] acer,running linux ;) [01:50] The-Croupier: brave new world...:D #13 [01:50] wouldn't slackpkg clean-system delete all unofficial packages? [01:50] Reach out and touch faith. [01:50] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:50] jmonter: only if you continue. use it as a way to get a list. [01:51] just don't go all the way. [01:51] now how do I append kernel parameters in lilo? [01:51] The-Croupier: are you still banned from suing Linux at work? [01:51] The-Croupier: you need to buck up and school them. [01:52] ron1n, give the kernel an append = "parameters=to,pass" line [01:52] suing/using [01:52] antiwire: yes, i am... antiwire how? [01:52] veritos: thats what I figured but it isn't working. Must be TuxOnIce. [01:52] The-Croupier: show them the benefits of using open software. [01:53] The-Croupier: business owners speak one language; return on investment. [01:53] jmonter_ (i=476ef2ac@gateway/web/freenode/x-ofyzvtjxqyijgaxt) joined ##slackware. [01:53] jmonter (i=476ef2ac@gateway/web/freenode/x-dggnztwhraitwcjv) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [01:53] antiwire: i see. i have shown them lots of times. i have shown them the benefit of being able to monitor, find, no viruses,no data loss,...etc [01:54] but i got as a response... yes, but you are the onl y one who knows how to use it [01:54] onl y/ only [01:54] My work place gave me a vista laptop, I told them there is no way I'll get any work done on it. They said find something better, and do it on your own time. So Slackware it was. [01:54] The-Croupier: show them how samba works. They don't need to see the backend in that case. [01:54] my story has a happy ending [01:54] The-Croupier: so they choose ignorance? [01:54] The-Croupier: you can hide what they don't know. [01:55] I'm sorry i'm a bit cripple here and was not able to see the last message about slackpkg clean-system [01:55] antiwire: that is a great advice, hide what they dont know...i didnt know that in the begi nning [01:56] ;) [01:56] kleanchap (n=chatzill@93.195.5.137) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [01:56] ;) [01:56] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:56] now, i have to find a way to at least be able to just use it [01:56] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:56] The-Croupier: for a windows network, samba makes doing this step easy [01:56] The-Croupier: create a samba file server and test it. they won't know the difference. [01:56] it's great [01:57] they gave me a research project, i told them its impossible in windows, most of the sites are wrong, or i cannot search correctly there, they said why? since all you need is a browser [01:57] The-Croupier: produce results using Linux [01:57] that is another good way to let them see [01:57] antiwire: i know, i have played with that at home. and i do produce results using linux... [01:58] The-Croupier: you just must continue doing it and reporting to them. [01:58] they just dont want me to have the laptop physically at work, since the monitoring iftop/wireshark incident [01:58] it's a slow process [01:58] jmonter_ (i=476ef2ac@gateway/web/freenode/x-ofyzvtjxqyijgaxt) left irc: "Page closed" [01:58] antiwire: ;) i WILL [01:58] someone having problems to hear mp3 on amarok? [01:58] gonzalo: no we heard the you the first time [01:59] really? i can with mplayer vlc, audacius xmms [01:59] but in juk and in amarok impossible [01:59] gonzalo: try pkill artsd [02:00] see if that helps [02:00] gonzalo: you have xine installed ? [02:00] yea [02:01] gonzalo: and it's selected in kde as your sound backened ? [02:02] figabo (n=Slacker@187.149.20.8) left irc: "Saliendo" [02:02] yes [02:02] hey guys, anyone using gnocky? i get cannot read ~/.gnokiirc config file... :( i created an empty file at the specified directory...but still not working, and i dont want irc in the first place in that pkg [02:02] maybe i should try with gstremer [02:02] anyone uses it, heard of it, or could help in any way? [02:03] figabo (n=Slacker@187.149.20.8) joined ##slackware. [02:04] deco? [02:04] gonzalo: what ? [02:04] bhaki (n=bhaki@121.242.77.130) joined ##slackware. [02:04] gstremer or xine? [02:05] deco? [02:05] superGear: what ? [02:05] lol [02:05] shouldn't *md5pass* that comes with package *syslinux*,work out of box,it complains about missing perl module Crypt/PasswdMD5.pm [02:05] gonzalo: try both see which one works [02:05] xine works well for me [02:05] superGear: good to know :) [02:05] can any one try running md5pass [02:06] gstreamer is ok but too mny dps i don't want [02:06] why not gstremer? [02:06] streamer [02:07] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: "Slackware64 13.0" [02:07] init[3]: it doesn't work, and hasn't for a while now (IIRC it was broken in 10.2) [02:08] Urchlay, go fix it [02:08] Urchlay: ooh,:D [02:08] init[3]: although you could just go "perl -MCPAN -e 'install Crypt::PasswdMD5'" to get it working [02:08] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) left irc: "leaving" [02:08] Urchlay: why is that default slack doesn't have that ? [02:09] init[3]: no idea, man :) [02:09] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:09] ask Pat [02:09] Urchlay: :) [02:09] is pat connected? [02:09] apparently not [02:10] Action: init[3] pokes for alienBOB regarding md5pass [02:10] can i sit next to you girl [02:10] ac/dc [02:11] lol [02:11] actually, I wonder why the hell syslinux comes with that md5pass command [02:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:11] they have michael jackson video [02:11] they're like is he alive ? [02:11] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89986.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:12] well i finished compiling 2.6.30.5 i will see if it doesn't give kernel panic [02:12] run lilo [02:12] morning [02:12] nope [02:12] i have grub [02:12] slackytude: y0 [02:12] y0 MLanden [02:12] evil grub! [02:12] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:12] jaja [02:12] yo yo yo slackytude [02:13] becouse i have debian and other distros [02:13] Evil Debian!!! [02:13] y0 superGear [02:13] Urchlay: may for the boot loader to password protect it [02:13] all you need is slackware! [02:13] the thing is that i compilied all the filesystems, vfs ext2 3 blabla and continue with kernel panic [02:14] i hate it too, but i have to recognize that to use it to work simple and fast is useful [02:14] talking about debian :P [02:14] maybe you're pointing to the wrong HDD/partition [02:14] not, becouse is the same as the other kernel 2.6.29.. that im running now [02:15] what kernel panic? [02:16] cool md5pass works now [02:16] Urchlay is a good boy [02:17] superGear: who said Urchlay is a boy? [02:18] vfs [02:18] Action: init[3] :D [02:18] Urchlay [02:18] i dunno s/he could be a girl [02:18] im eating a chicken sandwich [02:19] good for you [02:19] ja [02:19] got twitter [02:19] Action: init[3] back to work, [02:19] vfs kernel panic can find root [02:19] can find root! [02:19] cant [02:20] i have to make an initrd image maybe? [02:20] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:20] gonzalo: [1] is the root fs built in ? [02:20] try --root-delay=10 maybe [02:20] if you didn't build it in [02:20] yeaa [02:20] did you built-in the FS drivers and drivers for your HD controller? [02:20] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) joined ##slackware. [02:20] ext3 ext2 vfs nfs ntfs fat32 ext4 built in [02:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:20] wb,phoenix^ [02:20] thanks MLanden [02:21] where's fire|bird [02:21] right here [02:21] lol [02:22] clones! [02:22] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [02:22] mm the pata ones where as module im seeing [02:22] but i cant find the sata ones [02:22] becouse my lap is running in sata native mode [02:23] it's there [02:23] go hunt for it [02:23] there [02:23] where as modules too :P [02:23] make againg [02:25] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [02:25] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-htnrqzghrnyytgxm) joined ##slackware. [02:25] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) left irc: "leaving" [02:26] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) joined ##slackware. [02:26] finished rebooting [02:26] gonzalo (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [02:26] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) left irc: Client Quit [02:26] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:26] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) joined ##slackware. [02:27] appzer0_ (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [02:29] How to install a cd iso without burning it to physical cd? [02:29] mount it [02:29] boot with usb, mount iso [02:29] i think he wants to install slack with iso [02:29] yeah, so [02:29] i could be wrong [02:30] what I said is still working [02:30] depends if he has a bootable usb [02:30] Get this! [02:30] well, if not, there is still pxe [02:30] the specs on the cd that came with my book... [02:30] gonzalo (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [02:30] eee [02:31] fff [02:31] nfs server error [02:31] it was system requirements windows xp sp2 or vista, right? get a load of this: [02:31] is kernel panic [02:31] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:31] pentium II 300 mhz. [02:31] hmm anyone know the command to get my nick appzer0 back? [02:31] sda7 not found [02:31] MLanden, downgraded to xf86-video-intel 2.5.1 and glxgears is correct [02:31] type /msg nickserv help [02:31] noo [02:31] keep 2.8 [02:31] the ones that use usa [02:31] uxa [02:32] good to hear,byteframe [02:32] graphics [02:32] if you have xp or vista and don't have at least a pentium II I feel horrible. if you dont have at least a pentium 3 733 733 mhz for xp, I feel bad. [02:32] who cares about windows [02:32] superGear: : thx but i only see the ghost parameter - which does not work- i don't get it [02:32] :P [02:33] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:33] http://www.gadling.com/2009/09/01/woman-tries-to-shoot-down-plane-for-being-too-noisy/ [02:33] Syntax: GHOST [password] [02:33] appzer0: try /msg nickserv ghost appzer0 password [02:33] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:33] I've downlaoded the iso on my hd and I want to install slackware-13.0-install-d2.iso with slackpkg? It's possibile to do that? [02:33] no idea why kernel panic [02:34] maybe becouse is sda? and not hda? [02:34] superGear: thx very much. [02:34] :) [02:34] and to Rat409 [02:34] adeodatus, yes [02:34] Nick change: appzer0_ -> appzer0 [02:34] adeodatus, mount the iso and add it as source to your slackpkg mirror list [02:35] adeodatus, altho you could simply do a installpkg *txz as well [02:36] slackytude: tell me how to do install? [02:36] gonzalo, keep 2.8? [02:37] quick poll... vmware or xen? [02:37] adeodatus, boot your system, do mount -o loop ISO MOUNTPOINT [02:37] SlackWeird, wich vmware? [02:38] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:38] pardon me? [02:38] yea [02:39] i have 2.8 [02:39] SlackWeird, workstation, esx, vmware server.... [02:39] 2.6 have low performace in 3d [02:39] i have a x3100 [02:39] server [02:39] SlackWeird, xen ^-^ [02:40] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] I wanna see the ground give way..." [02:40] slackytude: I've mounted slackware-13.0-install-d2.iso to /mnt. What to do next? [02:41] adeodatus, edit /etc/slackpkg.conf [02:42] or is it /etc/slackpkg/mirrors.conf? [02:42] how mounting inso? [02:42] iso? [02:42] /etc/slackpkg/mirrors. [02:42] it's /etc/slackpkg/mirrors.conf [02:42] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:42] how? [02:42] remotetea (n=root@78.181.81.253) joined ##slackware. [02:43] mount?... [02:43] adeodatus, look for a line like #cdrom://mnt/cdrom/ [02:43] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:43] uncommentd it and adjust path [02:43] gonzalo: mount -o loop .iso /path/to/mountpoint [02:43] gonzalo, mount -o loop ISO MOUNTPOINT [02:44] gonzalo: as root/administrator [02:44] thanx! [02:44] i will try again with the kernel i made a initrd image [02:44] guys append="resume=swap:/dev/sda1" isn't working when I put it in lilo.conf, it just gets ignored. But when I press tab at Lilo and enter it in by hand, it works. [02:44] hi guys i install fresh slack 13 x64 and i have a problem with flashplayer how can i install flashplayer plugin :S [02:44] what could I be doing wrong? [02:45] y0 ron1n, long time no see [02:45] gonzalo (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [02:45] hey slackytude [02:46] remotetea, http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=flash&sv=13.0 [02:46] root [02:46] -_- your not konsole. [02:48] append="resume=/dev/sda1" [02:48] remotetea: you have a problem because you don't have flashplayer? Look in extra/ on the slackware DVD [02:48] remotetea: or do you have it installed already, but it crashes? [02:48] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [02:49] mancha: Yupp, thats what I have in /etc/lilo.conf [02:49] Urchlay, i look at dvd allready but im litlebit noob @slack how do i install this package ? [02:50] well, I have append space = [02:50] you pasted something else [02:50] guys append="resume=swap:/dev/sda1" [02:51] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [02:51] remotetea: I haven't got a slack 13.0 iso image, but if it's like I think it is, you have to run the build script inside extra/flashplayer-plugin, which will create a .tgz (or maybe .txz) package. Then you install that package with installpkg [02:51] mancha: I'm sorry, its difficult to past cross-VM. I transcribed it wrong. [02:51] s/past/paste [02:52] grazymax (n=grazymax@host107-156-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:53] where exactly does the append go in /etc/lilo.conf? [02:54] nevermind, just answered it myself. Its at the top. [02:54] no, its' in the image block [02:55] my VM wen't into kernel panic as soon as you said that -_- [02:55] ^_^ [02:55] say the line after image=.. [02:55] I don't get it, thats where I had it. [02:56] pastebin the lilo.conf [02:56] then I tried right below the other append, at the top [02:56] will do [02:56] oh oh "other append" sounds bad.... [02:58] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [02:58] mancha: http://pastebin.com/m64d493b2 [02:59] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.123.73) joined ##slackware. [02:59] now i got the power! :) slack 13.0 [02:59] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] free yourself from yourself ..." [02:59] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Grinch (n=Gr1nch@74-42-112-24.dr01.atmr.al.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] ok ron1n, do you want both kernels to have that resume param? [03:00] no, just tuxonice [03:00] ron1n: your second append will overwrite your first append last time I checked out lilo.conf [03:00] okay [03:00] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:00] ron1n, delete that fiest append stuff [03:01] ron1n: http://pastebin.com/m2a57a66b [03:01] in your old kernel (under the image line) put append="vt.default_utf8=0" [03:01] josefig: Can YOU feel it?.....lol [03:01] if you don't want the utf8 part, you can delete only the vt.default entry [03:01] on the tux on ice under image put append="vt.default_utf8=0 resume=/dev/sda1" [03:02] ron1n, grok that? [03:02] yupp thanks [03:02] MLanden: yeah :) [03:02] you shoudl have no append stuff at the beginning, nuke both those lines [03:02] mancha: done [03:02] josefig: oh yeah,brudda [03:03] one last question, how do I make tuxonice the default entry [03:03] do I just make it first? [03:03] the only thing i wanna know is why i have used 6.9gb from 10gb for / :p i have another partition for /usr [03:03] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:03] at the beginning make a line default=TuxOnIce [03:03] the other option is to use "addappend=.." under the image [03:04] Combine all appendages in one append line. List your default kernel first, or use default= [03:05] ron1n, make the changes and repaste .conf [03:05] one append per image [03:05] ron1n: http://pastebin.com/m47f5f14d <-- notice the global append, the global default, and the TuxOnIce image addappend [03:05] doh! - default line should be "default=TuxOnIce" [03:07] okay here is the final product before I write lilo to the mbr [03:07] http://pastebin.com/m4276c75b [03:07] remotetea (n=root@78.181.81.253) left irc: "Leaving" [03:08] looks good [03:08] scorchsaber_ (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] i'd out the default= line just under the boot line at the beginnin though [03:09] i'd put [03:09] awesome, thanks so much guys [03:09] night all [03:09] "Added Linux Added TuxOnIce *" [03:09] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [03:09] lilo didn't seem to care [03:09] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "leaving" [03:09] no, its not lilo, its you, having to scroll down to change the default sucks [03:09] yeah, very true [03:10] alright, I'm going to test it out now [03:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:12] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:13] fscking wicked! [03:13] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] isBEKaml (i=7aae5294@gateway/web/freenode/x-knfrnqujlqleujva) joined ##slackware. [03:13] now I can hibernate/resume in less than 10 seconds, and thats with a VM and without LZMA compression! [03:13] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.123.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:14] Once I work out LZMA and get this running on my eee pc, its surely going to be a killer combo [03:14] thanks for all your help guys, I can sleep easy now [03:14] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:14] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [03:15] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:16] cool beans [03:17] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [03:18] isBEKaml (i=7aae5294@gateway/web/freenode/x-knfrnqujlqleujva) left irc: [03:20] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:21] nooblord (n=hss@78.181.81.253) joined ##slackware. [03:22] hi! guys how do install flashplayer plugins in slack 13 x64 dvd :S [03:22] its in /extra on the dvd [03:22] spook, yes i know but how can i install it whats the command [03:22] s/its/it's build script/ [03:23] installpkg [03:23] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [03:23] oh [03:23] well i try it but nothing happen :S [03:23] yeah, you need to ./the.slackbuild [03:23] spectre (n=daventry@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] then installpkg /tmp/flashplayer [03:24] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:26] nooblord, so did you understand how to do it? [03:27] well i try this command ./flashplayer-plugin.SlackBuild [03:27] did you get the source? [03:27] and it said Source 'libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz' not available yet... [03:27] spook, it gets the source automagically [03:27] slava_dp: i thought it was in the .info [03:28] spook, nay, that script is totally automated [03:28] coolio [03:28] mornini [03:28] mornini [03:28] so whats wrong :S [03:29] im giving that error Source 'libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz' not available yet... [03:29] nooblord: adobe may have changed the source again [03:29] EgoX (n=user@78-59-112-79.static.zebra.lt) joined ##slackware. [03:29] hmm [03:29] they tend to love changing it and not changing the file name [03:29] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [03:29] bhaki (n=bhaki@121.242.77.130) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:29] nooblord, did the script say that it will download the source for you? [03:29] is there kmobiletools for slack current [03:30] -current = 13.0 [03:30] bhaki (n=bhaki@121.242.77.130) joined ##slackware. [03:30] spook: so say /extra will have it? because in their site i see it is in slack11 i dont know if there is still in 13? [03:31] slava_dp, yes it said will download but i guess it try to write the file on dvd :) [03:31] nooblord, OH [03:31] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [03:31] nooblord, no, it will save it to /tmp. [03:32] nooblord, just let it finish, ok? [03:32] slava_dp, hmm ok [03:33] I backed up /etc, I got my slackbuilds, home is on a different partition [03:33] anything else I need before fresh install of 13? [03:34] shit man [03:34] i cant believe the fires are in my own back yard [03:34] i'm on a different mountain thank god [03:34] same city [03:34] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:34] jeev: what city i sthat? [03:35] i'm in Glendale [03:35] in southern california [03:36] slava_dp, i guess something wrong with this script coz im looking tmp but nothing downloaded :S [03:36] nooblord, pastebin the complete script output. [03:36] nooblord: read the script, it will tell you exactly [03:37] anyway, im ok. sleepy time, night [03:37] jeev, night [03:38] i always wondered what happens if you run two installpkg at the same time? or ./configure at the same time? [03:38] not much [03:39] im worried about the "much" why is it not nothing [03:39] slava_dp, http://pastebin.ca/1551249 [03:39] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:39] The-Croupier, shouldnt happen anything [03:40] jeev: downtown LA at work, Rancho Cucamonga at home [03:40] Will download file to /media/SlackDVD/extra/flashplayer-plugin [03:40] okie, thanks [03:40] thats crap [03:40] move the script to /tmp and try again [03:41] nooblord, ^^ [03:41] morning :) [03:41] Action: Camarade_Tux kisses slackytude on the cheek xD [03:42] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [03:42] Action: slackytude slaps Camarade_Tux [03:43] :) [03:43] morning -_- [03:43] you are in a happy mood [03:43] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:43] ag3ntugly (n=x@24.32.2.231) joined ##slackware. [03:44] I'm not sure I am actually ;) [03:44] nooblord, cd .. && cp -R flashplayer-plugin /tmp && cd /tmp/flashplayer-plugin && ./flashplayer-plugin.SlackBuild [03:44] would someone mind helping me out with configuring wpa_supplicant/rc.inet1 [03:45] Action: Camarade_Tux gonna try to get this thing to compile cleanly on windows [03:46] IE's rendering engine may suck but it's UI is definitely the best around imho [03:46] lolwut, it's pretty easy. [03:47] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:48] spectre (n=daventry@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:48] slava_dp, moved script to tmp and run it and it get error in line 150 :S [03:49] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:49] nooblord, better pastebin the output then telling that. [03:50] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [03:50] k [03:50] Action: slava_dp is slackware-12.2 still. [03:51] damn i forgot qt takes forever... [03:51] Action: alisonken1noc is 13.0 on laptop, slamd64 12.2 at noc and slamd64 12.1 at home for now [03:51] every time....:( [03:51] Action: slava_dp wonders what noc is.... [03:52] network operations center [03:52] IOW - the refrigerator we call the server room [03:53] =) [03:53] slava_dp, thx i got it :D [03:53] nooblord, so what was the second error about? [03:54] coz i dont move desc file :) [03:55] i told you to move the whole directory. k, glad that it's resolved. [03:56] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:56] slava_dp, thx [03:57] slava_dp, well i have them configured but for some reason inet1 doesnt try to connect to my specified accespoint, or any for that matter [03:58] lolwut, do you use dhcp? cause i don't. [03:58] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:58] yeah, i think that might be where the problem is because originally i tried to use wicd but it hung when it was trying to aquire an ip [03:59] sven__ (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Nick change: sven__ -> Mr-S [04:01] lolwut, did you use dhcpcd or dhclient in wicd settings? dhclient is broken. [04:01] Part` (i=partitio@ma.ciasny.net) joined ##slackware. [04:01] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [04:02] gfidente (n=giulivo@93-44-211-13.ip99.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [04:02] got some issues with slack 13 and my xpress 200m ati card. can xorg.conf be setup to use dual screen using the oss radeon drivers ? [04:02] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:02] slava_dp well i un installed wicd to try and connect manually [04:03] scorchsaber_ (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:05] amdcccl will not work as the ati card driver (8.x series) is not supported by xorg 1.6 > will have to use oss driver setup by wacom [04:05] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [04:05] where can one find libkcal? [04:06] definately not in my laptop :( [04:06] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89986.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:07] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [04:08] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.77.123.73) joined ##slackware. [04:08] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] something you use like slapt-get ? [04:09] The-Croupier: part of kde 3? [04:09] sounds like a jeopardy question [04:10] alisonken1noc: i think so.. im using kde4 as far as i remember..now on xfce though [04:10] don't have my laptop with me so can't check if it's in the kde4 branch atm [04:10] libkcal, from google seems to be korganizer.. aparently [04:10] i could find a pkg somewhere for it thought right? [04:11] package/source [04:11] IceW (n=sartori@189-46-225-157.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:11] give it a try [04:11] it seems that the ramdisk image on the install cd does not have tcp/ip installed... anyone know if that's correct? [04:11] no networking at all [04:12] I believe you have to run the 'network' script to enable networking [04:12] not run by default on install cd/dvd [04:12] frankyp: ^^^ [04:14] slava_dp, sorry to bug you but just so I know im doing this right, i set up rc.init1.conf to point to my nic and to wpa_supplicant then config wpa_supplicant and then it should connect right? or am i missing a step somewhere [04:15] frankyp: or run, ifconfig up, dhcpcd that worked for me for a starters [04:15] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""Those who do not feel pain seldom think that it is felt." Dr. Samuel Johnson"). [04:15] The-Croupier: that assumes your nic driver autoloaded :) [04:15] weee, i'm happy now my slackware is working awsome :) [04:16] awesome* [04:17] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:18] lolwut, i have these variables uncommented and set in rc.inet1.conf (no dhcp): ifname[4], ifaddr[4] netmask[4], use_dhcp[4]=no wlan_essid[4] wlan_mode[]=Managed wlan_rate[4] wlan_wpa[4]=wpa_supplicant wlan_wpadriver[4]=wext [04:18] LF4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "leaving" [04:18] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [04:19] lolwut, then you edit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf like so: [04:19] slava_dp: the [4] I believe needs to be changed to the next-in-sequence. I don't believe the script will work if (for example) [3] is skipped [04:19] alisonken1home, well it works for me all right. [04:20] Later everyone. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care. [04:20] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware. [04:21] no disassemble johnny5! [04:21] lolwut, change ssid to yours, then use wpa_passphrase to generate your psk. put the psk to wpa_supplicant.conf. [04:22] lolwut, then /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_restart should bring up your interface. [04:23] rc.inet1 just iterates over 0 to $MAX_NICS which is 6 by default [04:23] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.25.236) joined ##slackware. [04:23] another "lets work together" article about the linux community being fragmented [04:24] first reading rainbow gets canceled, now this! [04:24] haha [04:25] rainbow? what rainbow? [04:25] dude, butterfly in the sky! [04:26] I can fly twice as high! [04:26] thats the shit im talking about [04:26] so this is my wpa supplicant, http://pastebin.com/d66e8fa15, and my inet1, http://pastebin.com/m36430483 [04:27] lolwut, scan_ssid=0 [04:27] schoolhouse rock owns reading rainbow. [04:27] when i run rc.inet1 restart it says ra0 information: 'Any ESSID' [04:27] lolwut, and you did not generate a psk from your passphrase. [04:28] wd (n=wd@adsl-71-137-252-219.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:28] lolwut, wpa_passphrase Cisco_Protect YHJYLMHTKT [04:29] lolwut, run it ^^ [04:30] so throw that into the config file? [04:30] lolwut, and in rc.inet1.conf you did not set your ssid. WLAN_ESSID[4]=" " [04:30] lolwut, yes. [04:31] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [04:31] corte (n=corte@cpe-024-074-144-179.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:31] if my interface is ra0 is it still wlan? [04:32] thats just ralink being egocentric [04:32] hey all [04:32] quasar: No ways RR was better the SHR [04:34] if your iface is ra0 then you do rc.inet1 ra0_restart to bring it up, that's all. [04:35] so im still getting the ra0 infromation "any essid' thing [04:35] lf4: omg how can you deny Blind Melon with 3? [04:35] lol [04:35] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [04:35] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.23.86) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:35] Action: lf4 cant make up his mind :/ darn it... [04:36] lolwut, i get Any ESSID too. but it connects. [04:36] lolwut: on most wireless cards "Any ESSID" is a keyword to look for the closest/strongest access point and try to associate with that [04:36] so i'm running on the ramdisk on the install cd, and ifconfig doesnt show my eth0.. any sugestions? i need network access from the rd [04:37] Guest10825 (n=traveler@cpe-66-27-96-158.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:37] frankyp: is there a script called "network" or something like that? like I pointed earlier, you have to tell the install cd/dvd to load the network card drivers before networking can be setup [04:38] ahh.. didn't catch that before. thanks, ill look [04:39] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-138-109.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:41] . [04:41] alisonken1 - udev takes care of that nowadays in the installer [04:41] alienBOB: you would think :) [04:42] frankyp: did you boot from usb or cd? [04:42] frankyp: what version of Slackware's installer? 12.2 ? Or 13.0 ? [04:42] booted from cd. [04:42] its the installer from 12.1 [04:43] nooblord (n=hss@78.181.81.253) left irc: "Leaving" [04:43] i'm gonna point it to a 13.0 iso over sshfs [04:43] (as mentioned earlier today) [04:44] frankyp: installer fail - 13.0 uses .txz rather than .tgz, and the 12.1 installer doesn't know how to handle the new package format [04:44] frankyp: then run the script "network " to setup your network card [04:44] slava_dp, ok so I got it to work, is there a way to get a list of access points that are in range? like in wicd. Thanks alot btw [04:45] iwlist ra0 scanning [04:45] scanning or scan [04:45] ? [04:45] scanning is the command, scan is taken to be that [04:46] k [04:46] it is scan[ning] :) [04:46] thanks [04:46] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:46] :D [04:46] lolwut, iwlist [04:46] wow. geez man.. slackware covers everything. i'll never defect. [04:46] precisely, iwlist ra0 scanning [04:47] i didnt know how rad the install cd is [04:47] frankyp: did you see my note atout the installer? [04:47] hmm, will 12.2 recognize .txz? [04:47] no - 13.0 changed installers [04:47] the main difference is lzma compression rather than gzip compression [04:48] what you can do, though, is install 12.1 barebones, then follow the upgrade text file [04:48] (I _think_ 12.1 can be upgraded to 13.0, but haven't tried it) [04:48] okay. so basically, i'm screwd without a burner / can't mount an iso to install from cause i only have 12.1 install cd [04:48] now the scripts are bash, so thats a non-issue to upgrade, xz is easy to build, and then you need to change tar's [04:48] ahh [04:49] i spoke too soon. [04:49] the 13.0 upgrade text file, that is [04:49] anyone else getting these error messages in /var/log/messages in slackware 13 "Aug 30 01:55:23 darkstar dbus-daemon: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.8" (uid=1000 pid=4091 comm="kded4 ") interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.CPUFreq" member="GetCPUFreqAvailableGovernors" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Hal" (uid=0 pid=3677 comm="/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes ")" [04:49] and numerous other similar messages [04:50] eek [04:50] ok - your frequency monitor program is being rejected by the hal dbus config [04:50] that's it trying to change your cpu freq? [04:50] part of frequency scaling [04:50] i've never performed a live upgrade - would you be so kind as to point me to the 13.0 upgrade text file? [04:50] why mess with that anywho, let the die rip at full speed, always [04:50] I believe the default setting for kd4 now is "performance", so scaling occurs if a settable cpu chip is found [04:51] frankyp: should be on the 13.0 install iso [04:51] mancha: what scripts are bash now [04:51] the *pkg scripts that pat's put together [04:51] otherwise, if you have network access, you can browse for it in the d/l tree on the mirror [04:51] frankyp: all of the install/package manger for slackware is bash scripts [04:52] anyone know what i can do to resolve these errors? [04:52] 'setup' you can only find on the install cd/dvd, 'installpkg|removepkg|upgradepkg|pkgtool' programs are all bash script [04:52] alisonken1noc: thanks for pointing me to it. and by package manager are you referring to pkgtool or slackbuilds or something [04:52] slackbuilds are also bash scripts [04:53] nice. i like bash. [04:53] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl9-250-12.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:53] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-138-109.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:55] you are actually going to fresh install 13 on that machine over lan right? [04:56] mancha: except he only has a 12.1 install cd to boot from :) [04:56] from what I gather, he has no means to burn a 13.0 install cd/dvd, so has to resort to a 12.1 install cd to boot, then try to install 13.0 over lan [04:56] ok - and once that's booted up he can mount the 13 image over lan and run its setup no? [04:57] Kaapa__ (n=Somethin@bl6-197-12.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Guest10825 (n=traveler@cpe-66-27-96-158.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Java user signed off" [04:57] other than mounting the 13.0 image won't get him the proper lzma libs - unles he follows the upgrade path [04:58] right [04:58] interesting experiment [04:58] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl5-180-243.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:58] Nick change: Kaapa__ -> Kaapa [04:58] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl9-250-12.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:00] frankyp: suggestion - go through with a minimal 12.1 install (series a, ap, n), then after booting into the new 12.1, follow the 13.0 upgrade path [05:00] yeah so i have to upgrade to 13.0, then i can reinstall incase it broke something [05:00] you _may_ have to install the l/ series, but try the first three and see if it works for you [05:00] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:01] mc doesn't start on slack13. it did at first several times, but now it's only a blinking cursor on a new line and no mc. anyone experienced this? [05:01] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:01] second time I've heard that problem. and second time I didn't have my laptop (which has 13 installed) to check [05:02] john_dee: this is slack 13.0, not slack64 13.0? [05:02] alisonkenlnoc: the boxes all have 12.1 on them already - you still recomment i reinstall 12.1 with those pkg's only? [05:02] alisonken1home: 13 x86 [05:02] frankyp: if they already have 12.1, then you should be able to go directly to the 13.0 upgrade text and try on your _least_ used box [05:03] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:03] i tried deleting .mc in homedirs and mc-username in tmp but no success [05:03] main thing is to upgrade your pkgtools package [05:03] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:03] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:03] ok got it. [05:03] john_dee: mc = midnight commander? [05:04] alisonken1home: yes [05:04] y0 slackers..How's everyone? [05:04] MLanden: do you remember an issue the last couple of days where midnight commander on 13.0 is having problems? [05:05] re [05:05] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [05:06] re mc, i'm also finding `.mc/' dirs everywhere [05:06] indiscriminately [05:06] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:06] john_dee got a prob? [05:06] Quiznos: see if there's an .mc directory in /etc/skel [05:06] tell me, i'm taking names and numbers [05:06] Quiznos: yes. it doesn't start :D [05:06] not mine [05:06] offhand, it sounds like an ncurses library issue [05:06] alisonken1noc: yes but I'm stumped...Quiznos might mave more input [05:07] MLanden: thanks [05:07] john_dee that all ya got? "it dont start" [/deeply] [05:07] :) [05:07] Quiznos: [02:01:03] mc doesn't start on slack13. it did at first several times, but now it's only a blinking cursor on a new line and no mc. anyone experienced this? [05:07] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [05:08] hmmm... [05:08] Reav___ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:08] Quiznos: up. it started several times. now it's a blinking cursor on a new line and no mc seen %) [05:08] Does this look right for a PXE servers setting? http://pastebin.ca/1551302 [05:08] k... [05:08] oh, copy/pasta. yeah ^) [05:08] what about c&p? [05:08] Quiznos: could there be a glitch with this and the "missing" fixed font? [05:09] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S0106001d7ee17c6d.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:09] x11 cant find font; that's gui; this is console side [05:09] Quiznos: nm [05:09] no no! [05:09] HALY! [05:09] damn [05:09] HALT! [05:10] sorry,quiznos [05:10] quit mc, kill the ~/.mc/ini; start mc [05:10] for what? [05:10] 7[13:03] john_dee: i tried deleting .mc in homedirs and mc-username in tmp but no success [05:10] john_dee is /tmp mode 1777? [05:11] Quiznos: o_O [05:11] Quiznos: looks like it [05:11] ok good [05:11] what's the mode on mc-*? [05:11] in tmp [05:11] Quiznos: 700 [05:12] hm [05:12] ok [05:12] lf4: that would not work in Slackware I think... but have a look at http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe [05:12] did you quit; rm the ini and start? [05:12] Quiznos: yes [05:12] no diff? [05:12] Quiznos: nop [05:12] k [05:13] alienBOB: I have a centos PXE server and was just manually trying to merge the slackware pxe default file with the one I already have configured. [05:13] alienBOB: I'm thinking 1) making sure relative directory structure, and 2) the --url entry [05:13] i remember i used to have a simil prob; tryto to remember what it was and the fix [05:13] Try no to use spaces in the label lf4 [05:13] Quiznos: never encountered that before here [05:13] dhcp labels don't like long labels and spaces :) [05:13] k [05:14] even in prevoius slack versions? [05:14] And try to use what is in /usb-and-pxe-installers/pxelinux.cfg_default [05:14] If you have both a wirless card and cat5 running to your box how do you tell it which one to use? Is that specified in rc.inet1.conf [05:14] Quiznos: no [05:15] john_dee what't he mode on dev/ptmx? [05:15] alienBOB: Alright I'll try that as a copy/paste, As for the spaces I know the server works I installed slackware 12.2 but I had to specify the location and server which is what I want to try and fix. [05:15] lf4: recommended label would be "LABEL Slack64-13.0" [05:15] Quiznos: crw-rw-rw- [05:15] :\ [05:15] k [05:16] alisonken1noc: ok ok... lol you and alienBOB win :D I'll change the lable [05:16] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:16] john are you using gpm console side? [05:17] Quiznos: i disabled it during install, but that's one more thing. there's a file rc.gpm-example with +x attribute in /etc/rc.d/ [05:18] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.25.236) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:18] -x on that [05:18] not really sure it's supposed to be +x [05:18] pidof gpm to see if running [05:18] as root [05:18] lolwut you want both up but stuff to go out on one only or do you want only one live? [05:19] lolwut, just set the default gateway to the one or the other network. both adapters will be up if they are configured though. [05:19] mancha, I want only one live, I have different ports assigned to my wireless cards mac and different ones assigned to the ethernet port [05:19] Quiznos: empty line. not running apparently [05:19] k [05:19] hi can anyone confirm what groups new users in slack13 should generally be in. In order to resolve my "dbus-daemon: Rejected send messages" i had to add my user to haldaemon, messagebus,users,power,plugdev. Just want to make sure i havent added a none priveledged users to any groups that it shouldnt be a part of [05:19] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:20] john_dee well i've been suspecting that the mc in latest slack is buggy tho i have seen your prob in years [05:20] gaz, reconsider throtlling your cpu [05:20] gaz: It might be in the 12.1/12.2 readme, but there's a readme on that [05:20] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.23.181) joined ##slackware. [05:20] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.77.123.73) left irc: Client Quit [05:20] gaz, messagebus and haldaemon is fail. [05:20] lolwut, to use one card or the other, use wicd. [05:20] just let that die burn all its transistors at once, if its idle its idle, knowdamean? [05:21] Quiznos: hm. i've used it for some time and never noticed such unconditional behaviour >:D [05:21] but that was 12.1 and 12.2 [05:21] note since adding my user to them groups i have not had any of those errors at all. I just wanted to make sure adding my user to those groups was a safe thing to do? [05:21] john_dee see strace manpage for otions (the one to save output to a file) strace mc [05:21] mc suxx, use cp, rm, ls, ln etc. [05:21] srsly. [05:21] Quiznos: k [05:21] slava_dp: nah, thanks %) [05:21] john_dee lemme know [05:22] gaz, no. [05:22] maybe i'll want the file dcc'd [05:22] Quiznos: ok. np [05:22] ll [05:22] slava_dp: mc is nice for browsing around the filesystems and having two windows to compare directories with - when all you have is a console to play with [05:22] kk [05:22] with experience, mc is very high on the productivity hit parade. [05:23] gaz, the safe groups are users, floppy, audio, video, cdrom, plugdev, scanner and netdev (introduced in 13.0) [05:23] i can ruin a fs faster than any man! [05:23] slava_dp, so its not possible to force it to use the wireless if I have copper plugged in w/o wicd? [05:23] Quiznos: only output it to a file? [05:23] why? [05:23] john_dee: it can be chatty - and trying to catch errors gets tricky [05:23] slava_dp, thanks ill remove my user from the other groups i suspected there was more to it [05:23] ill have to look further into them errors [05:23] lolwut, well, you can turn the eth off with ethtool. [05:24] john_dee yea, there's no reading it on the fly [05:24] Quiznos: wanna bet :) [05:24] no [05:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:24] rereda that again ken [05:24] I did "...ruin an fs .." and ".. faster than any man" indeed :) [05:24] oh heh [05:24] alisonken1noc: nm. i wouldn't mind to have it working as i use it more than any other filemanagement tools [05:24] sure [05:25] heh [05:25] and I don't even have to have console access - just get me around the case [05:25] lol [05:25] john_dee same here [05:25] brb [05:25] diff <(ls -1 dir1) <(ls -1 dir2) <-- that's my mc. [05:26] axius_ (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) joined ##slackware. [05:26] slava_dp: aesthete :D [05:26] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [05:27] john_dee, ;-) [05:27] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left ##slackware. [05:28] axius_ (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) left irc: Client Quit [05:28] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:29] k [05:29] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) joined ##slackware. [05:30] john_dee there might be a file open failure preventing mc [05:31] what dir are you in when calling mc? does it still exist? [05:31] mc works in any dir [05:31] it's fs browser. [05:31] of sorts [05:31] a conceptual clone of dos Norton Commander from back in the day [05:33] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:33] oh shit. i just rm rf'ed /tmp %) [05:33] s'ok [05:33] when I was using Amiga back in the day,their main clone was Directory Opus [05:33] just remake it [05:33] Nick change: adeodatus -> aigon [05:33] MLanden kool [05:33] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:33] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:34] john_dee dont forget mode =1777 [05:34] i guess i should've given it a test run in a vm :\ [05:34] heh [05:35] hmm.. maybe i'll just cdrecord the can you setup usb in the installer ramdisk? [05:35] How activate mouse in console? [05:35] gpm [05:35] wait [05:35] etc/rc.d/rc.gpm start [05:35] aigon: run the /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm script [05:36] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) joined ##slackware. [05:36] what Quiznos said [05:36] and make sure it's executable [05:36] what alisonken1noc said [05:37] ahh.. you can all disregard that line - sorry [05:37] too late [05:37] alisonken1noc: thanks [05:38] frankyp: the other possible option is to try a usb boot if your machines can boot from thumbdrive [05:38] (for installing 13.0) [05:39] john_dee how long does an strace take? [05:39] it aint heart surgury :) [05:39] holy heseinburgs batman! [05:40] wtf! [05:40] it started [05:40] ok [05:40] with strace... [05:40] heseinburgs? [05:40] what did you do? [05:40] heisenburgs* [05:40] strace -o file mc [05:40] ok [05:40] dcc to me? [05:41] Quiznos: that comp is not yet on a network. in 5 min? [05:41] hi, any of you guys use sbopkg just came across it and wanted to know peoples thoughts on it [05:41] yea yea, sure sure (another exclusive macro by Quiznos) [05:41] john_dee brfoew you send; change to [nick]-mc.txt? [05:41] gaz: all of the time - and on slamd64 as well [05:42] How to setup alsa? [05:42] alsamixer [05:42] Quiznos: well, actually it starts w/o strace. it just takes about 20 seconds. *confused* [05:42] when i installed slack13 i done the whole slackbuild process manually, wouldnt like to image how much time i would have saved using sbopkg :D [05:42] hmm [05:42] I could go for a burger right about now. [05:43] john_dee how big is dor you start in? [05:43] dor/dir [05:43] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [05:43] Quiznos: $HOME [05:43] just installed 13 [05:43] k [05:44] quasar: bon appetit.. http://www.foodfacts.info/blog/uploaded_images/tall-hamburger.jpg [05:44] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:45] i wonder of Homer drools in french [05:45] ? [05:45] it's possible to listen music in cosole? [05:45] yes [05:45] in console too [05:45] you didn't expect me, did you :P [05:46] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:46] mpc/mpd, mplayer, ... [05:47] f6 (n=root@77-254-152-35.adsl.inetia.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:50] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:50] on which cd is mplayer? [05:51] MLanden: thanks, but I said a hamburger... not a buffet for a rabbit -_- [05:51] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:51] Nick change: adupuis -> Arno[Slack]`Work [05:51] lol,quasar [05:52] aigon: You'd have to check slackbuilds.org for it. [05:52] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:52] lf4: no [05:52] no? [05:53] aigon, there's also mpg321 and play. [05:53] ?on¿ [05:53] Which works in console? [05:53] aigon: whichever one that /dev/cdrom is linked to [05:54] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:54] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.248) left irc: "Leaving" [05:54] aigon: "ls -l /dev/cdrom" [05:54] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:54] oahong (n=user@61.152.248.20) left irc: Client Quit [05:55] cmus is s nice cli based mp3 player [05:56] Action: quasar votes for mplayer :) [05:57] f6 (n=root@77-254-152-35.adsl.inetia.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [05:57] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89986.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:58] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.169) joined ##slackware. [05:58] Action: lf4 just strained his diaphragm from drinking to quickly. [05:58] wow.. already started up eh? and it's only 5am [05:59] lol. [05:59] quasar: its 4am here :) in 4hours I go to bed. [06:00] apn (n=apn@194.217.4.175) joined ##slackware. [06:02] wrong damnit! ntp.nasa.gov says it's 5 AM! >:| [06:03] lol. [06:03] that's nasa for you [06:03] quasar: You're wronge time.nist.gov says 04:00 here [06:03] always screwing stuff up [06:04] lf4: what a shocker.. gov't agencies not talking amongst themselves .. guess I'll just start using time.windows.com then [06:04] hahaha [06:04] hahaha [06:05] KillerV (i=1000@bhe200150042213.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [06:06] quasar: then you'll be like this.... http://xkcd.com/612/ [06:06] lol nice [06:07] sinraptor (n=sinrapto@host77-182-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:07] though it brings back memories of when my mother comes to down... "I just hit some town called bar-talls-vile so I'm probably 30 minutes out" .. 2 hours later she shows up.. got lost in Bartlesville (which is not easy to do) [06:08] to town* [06:08] and that was with a GPS [06:09] lol quasar same with my friends they said "we'll be there in 25 mins" and 1hr 30mins passe haha they got lost even with their GPS. I laughed so hard. [06:09] where I found any italians? [06:10] sinraptor: maybe Italy? [06:10] Action: lf4 is italian. [06:10] i'm italian [06:10] im not [06:10] lf4: quasar: your both wrong: it's 3am [06:10] I'm a slacker. [06:10] but here there are english [06:11] sinraptor: yes this is an english channel lol [06:11] haha alisonken1noc fail its 3:11am [06:12] I speak little english [06:12] what is the italian channel? [06:13] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [06:13] sinraptor: #slackwareitalia [06:13] thanx [06:13] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) joined ##slackware. [06:13] i' go there ..... by [06:13] hrm.. does /list always say there's too high a load to return results? that's all I've gotten in the last 3 days lol [06:13] sinraptor: np...ciao [06:14] quasar: /list lists channels [06:14] sinraptor (n=sinrapto@host77-182-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [06:14] spook: true [06:14] freenode is big. [06:14] had to check if that was on freenode [06:15] spook: does /list work for you? 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[06:28] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:28] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89986.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:30] spectre (n=daventry@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:31] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [06:33] seems #slackwareitalia or #slackware-italia were dead rooms but still shows up in older lists [06:34] seems Google died and ws ofline for two hours Tuesday [06:35] Quiznos: old news :) haha [06:35] Quiznos: according to the update, it was only 1.5hrs [06:35] k [06:35] tha'ts umteen minutes too long [06:36] alisonken1home: depends on who runs the clock, as lf4 and I were discussing earlier! [06:39] it's always old news; unless the incident is report on by an eye-witness; [06:39] haha quasar so who runs a clock on half hour increments? [06:39] lf4: time.windows.com [06:39] Quiznos: true so why watch the news if its all old? :P [06:40] christian (i=590f9f59@gateway/web/freenode/x-bhrukyzhcaadjnlv) joined ##slackware. [06:40] hello [06:40] bc we dont have instantanious news reporting like what's his name 10minutes in the future tv show, 1980s [06:40] lf4: it was their implementation of the "fuzzy" clock that you can set on your panel in KDE [06:40] cable news doesnt count [06:40] quasar: haha no their algorithm is pow(i,PI); [06:40] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [06:41] Quiznos: I think you should work on developing that station/channel/show. :) [06:41] hi christian [06:42] nah [06:42] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:42] I'm going to rewrite the fuzzy clock and make it "Ghetto Clock" ... it'll keep track of the last time you mouseover'd .. occasionally it'll say stuff like "Damn yo! Aint seen you in a MINUTE." [06:42] lol [06:42] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:42] Haha quasar I like it! [06:42] thats good [06:42] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.200.64) joined ##slackware. [06:43] quasar: good one [06:43] but I though it would have more ghetto speech than "yo" [06:43] heh, the APobamer news made a funi about colbert's treadmill for all those fat astronuts in space [06:44] btw this is your `better late than never' Quiznews [06:44] well.. I'd do that.. but first, I must find the a key that just popped out of my keyboard.. hmm [06:44] heh [06:44] news' buy a Vaio and get Google Chrome [06:44] http://forum.collectivelan.asn.au/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=774 [06:44] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [06:45] news' Google library: digitising the world one book at a time; any book, new or old. sniff torts in the air. [06:46] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) joined ##slackware. [06:47] news' Here's your `better late than never' Linux news [06:48] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [06:48] amd 6core low-power cpu [06:50] SCO aint dead yet; judge rules part of 2007 judgemnt erronous; must be reconsidered [06:51] Perlers not happy with how Redhat packaged their stuff; what can authors do in such a case? [06:51] not exactly eroneous - just that enough doubt was introduced to send it to court (copyright assignments and apa ammendment) [06:51] that's more than enuf doubt [06:51] s/court/jury/ [06:51] what on SCO,ken? [06:51] dont interrupt the news :) [06:51] pff [06:51] MLanden: yep [06:51] heh [06:52] I usually just get my tSCOg news from groklaw [06:52] news' Google wants to sandbox c code in Chrome [06:52] Quiznos: hah [06:52] perlers - switch to python? [06:52] that should fix the packaging issue [06:53] spectre (n=daventry@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:54] anyone want news from freshmeat? [06:54] nod__ (n=nod@87-205-70-156.adsl.inetia.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:54] nheco (n=nheco@189-30-62-18.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:55] aigon (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) joined ##slackware. [06:56] news' Nokia continues to use Linux as its platform of choice for its phones [06:56] Nick change: nod__ -> nod [06:56] http://blogs.computerworld.com/14637/linux_powers_worlds_fastest_stock_exchange <-- Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols on 'Linux Powers world's fastest stock exchange' [06:57] that's neat [06:58] EgoX (n=user@78-59-112-79.static.zebra.lt) left irc: [06:59] a few months ago, -ac quit as tty code maintainer. [06:59] yep - interesting write up on it as well [06:59] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Quiznos: ping? [07:01] news' wifi connectivity becoming pervasive with more than 1000 wifi devices this year [07:01] john_dee [07:02] I've tried to listen some music, but it seems that my sound card doesn't work. [07:02] alisonken1noc where? [07:02] Quiznos: looks like it's somehow related to locale change. take a look at strace. dcc? [07:02] re -ac? [07:02] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:02] sure; else on pastebin.ca (sign your page) [07:03] christian (i=590f9f59@gateway/web/freenode/x-bhrukyzhcaadjnlv) left irc: "Page closed" [07:03] Quiznos: sent request [07:03] tho i'm behind nat, might not work [07:03] aigon: what's your sound card? [07:03] john_dee nop; paste it pls [07:04] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [07:04] k, i'll pastebin it [07:04] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [07:04] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.24.10.7) joined ##slackware. [07:04] john_dee next ask for you is to fix your fw; it sends your private IP; [07:05] focus on irc ports for dcc [07:05] MLanden: I've realtek alc888 [07:05] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.24.10.7) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:06] spectre (n=daventry@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Operation timed out [07:06] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:06] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.151) joined ##slackware. [07:06] got it [07:07] aigon: does the card show up in dmesg? [07:07] Quiznos: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/28/375 <-- lkml.org message that alan reports he stopped working on tty. the interesting part is following the earlier threads that precede it. btw - dtd 28July [07:08] ty ken [07:08] Quiznos: lawl, yeah. evil miranda set me up %) never used it for dcc though, so... [07:08] Quiznos: http://pastebin.ca/1551369 - here it is [07:09] Quiznos: it seems to have started after i changed locale in lang.(c)sh [07:09] will look into that now [07:11] MLanden: no doesn't show up!! [07:11] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [07:12] u5er51 (n=Devoid@117.200.57.71) left ##slackware. [07:12] u5er51 (n=Devoid@117.200.57.71) joined ##slackware. [07:12] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:13] john, intersting lines: 63, 71. [07:14] john_dee ok that report did appear to implicate locale; and your changing it fixed it? [07:14] wat does "64-bit x86_64" mean ? i know about 64 bit and 32 bit os but don't know about "64-bit x86_64" ? :-? [07:14] aigon: sound card or onboard chip? [07:14] agree. from line 97 starts the fun [07:14] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:14] Quiznos: not yet [07:14] john_dee locale=C didnt fix it? [07:15] Quiznos: didn't try it yet. one sec [07:15] wait [07:15] LANG=C mc [07:15] try en_Us [07:15] US [07:15] ok [07:15] ty slava_dp [07:16] john_dee well with locale, it coul dbe either mc or glibc [07:16] aigon, alsaconf [07:17] u5er51 (n=Devoid@117.200.57.71) left irc: "Leaving" [07:17] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [07:18] 7.0 quake in Indoneisa [07:19] there are quakes every day in that area; oz, .jp, .cn, the peninsulas. [07:19] and the islands eastward of ther [07:20] 7.0 rain in my district x_x [07:20] yea [07:20] and i have to go out just now. [07:23] well, LANG=C mc didn't help. setting system locale to en_US didn't help either [07:23] strange [07:25] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.200.64) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:25] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.134.206) joined ##slackware. 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[07:30] regarding libsamplerate... i checked it on slack 12.2, no idea if it's present in stock 13.0 :-) [07:30] can you tell me exact package name [07:30] slava_dp: alsaconf had detect it my sound card, but i can't hear anything!! [07:30] aigon, alsamixer [07:31] Bassist (n=aomran@host156.natpool.mwn.de) joined ##slackware. [07:31] slava_dp: alsaconf had detect it my sound card, but i can't hear anything!! [07:31] aigon, tried alsamixer? [07:31] /usr/bin/sox: error while loading shared libraries: libsamplerate.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:31] bnhashmi, http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=samplerate&sv=13.0 [07:31] bnhashmi, did you upgrade to 13.0 or what? [07:31] aigon, don't spam me. [07:31] I've tried alsamixer [07:32] and what did you see? [07:32] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-htnrqzghrnyytgxm) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [07:32] nope i am using astersik to place a call using a script when there is a device down event in Nagios [07:32] so i need sox for that [07:32] scorchsaber_ (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) joined ##slackware. [07:32] bnhashmi, what slackware version? [07:33] 12.2.0 [07:33] kernel 2.6.29.3 [07:33] I have another question: When I log in as root with su (not "su -" ), I only get "bash-#" or something like that. [07:33] bnhashmi, then *get it on slackbuilds.org* ! [07:33] I want to set the variable PS1 to display the current directory [07:33] But I've tried everything possible with the set command, and failed [07:34] Any ideas? [07:34] package from slackware 13.0 would be working with 12.2.0 [07:34] ??? [07:34] Bassist, alias su="su -" >> .bash_profile [07:34] Bassist: export PS1="\w" (will only show current directory" [07:34] Bassist, then logout and login back [07:34] slava_dp: Ok, I could've thought of that :) Thanks [07:35] quasar: Is the change permanent? [07:35] no [07:35] Hatl (n=asdf@85.124.105.65) joined ##slackware. [07:35] ScreamerX (n=screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [07:35] bnhashmi, you're not listening. i won't be talking to you any further. [07:35] quasar: That's the point, I want it to stay that way, because I'll put in a few other things [07:36] i have installed slackware and i dont know what to do first. does any of you have any ideas? [07:36] slava_dp: i downloaded the package from slackbuilds according to you instructions [07:36] Hatl: what are you wanting to do is the question [07:36] Hatl, yes. http://slackbook.org [07:36] Hatl: http://www.slackbook.org/ [07:37] i dont want to read a book before i can use slackware [07:37] Hatl: You don't have to read through it [07:37] Hatl, you definitely should. [07:37] slava_dp:sorry if i hurt you [07:37] Hatl: Lots of it is stuff you probably know anyway [07:39] apn (n=apn@194.217.4.175) left ##slackware. [07:41] Bassist, PS1 *is* set to do so as root. just use su -. [07:41] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [07:41] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] lol [07:42] scorchsaber_ (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [07:43] slava_dp: I'm too used to "su" :) But your alias idea is good [07:43] Also gives me a nice fortune message every time [07:43] So thanks for that [07:43] Bassist, you're very welcome =) [07:44] I'll be gone now, catch you later [07:45] Action: slava_dp also gets going.... laters ##slackware. [07:45] Bassist (n=aomran@host156.natpool.mwn.de) left irc: "Leaving" [07:45] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [07:49] alsaconf had detect it my sound card, but i can't hear anything. what should next? [07:49] Turn up the volumes. [07:49] plug in the speakers [07:50] I already did that!! [07:50] uh oh - I'm hearing rumblings about the Station Fire might be getting to the mount wilson transmitters [07:51] replace the battery in your hearing aid [07:51] quasar: K-Earth101 might have lost their transmitter [07:52] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) joined ##slackware. [07:52] that was to aigon lol [07:53] quasar: I was just noting what I heard :) [07:53] ah [07:53] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-241-129-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:55] guitarrista_r5 (n=admin@189.74.15.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:56] that would suck for them [07:56] transmitters aren't cheap from what I understand [07:56] it's either the transmitter station or the feed to it [07:56] not sure which one yet [07:59] writing good bash scripts is hard [07:59] <3 bash scripts :) [07:59] person (n=ed@92.17.243.163) joined ##slackware. [07:59] writing good bash scripts is fun [07:59] alisonken1noc: that too [08:00] emphasis on _good_ :) [08:00] trying to write a script to manage my kvm machines [08:01] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:04] ugh.. I have a rattling case fan that is driving me nuts [08:05] quasar: blutac [08:05] thought it was a hard drive [08:06] its probably more the wiring for the power getting in the way than actual rattling of the case fan itself [08:07] ScreamerX (n=screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: "Verlassend" [08:09] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Action: spook loves it when programs are capable of writing a pid file [08:09] news' LinuxFoundation calls for all Linus impersonators for "outrageous fun" [08:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:10] Quiznos: oh yeah - gonna be interesting to see who get's the prize as the best Linus impersonator on twitter/facebook/whatever [08:10] heh [08:11] news' bamer says "vaccinations are totally voluntary" -- does anyone believe he believes that? [08:12] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-khxqoosicopfrxwe) joined ##slackware. [08:12] Sure - like "Soldier - you volunteered. get in line" [08:12] actually, people DO volunteer to join up when they "step forward" [08:13] so, just step backward or DONT move. [08:13] vaccinations should not be voluntary [08:13] and DONT give in the subsequent pressure and dress-down when a uniform brow-beats you [08:13] Quiznos: I think you missed the reference :) [08:13] spook well, i have a choice to exercise. [08:13] ken, tell [08:14] alisonken1noc: i think so too :) [08:14] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) left irc: Success [08:14] Sarge comes in and says "I need a volunteer for . You - you just volunteered" [08:14] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-khxqoosicopfrxwe) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:14] Action: quasar was never asked to step forward [08:14] oh; yell, well, I was thinking of the "first step" to joining [08:14] i'm 4F [08:14] Quiznos: nope - after you're already in [08:14] k [08:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:15] actually, 4f on the second try [08:15] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) joined ##slackware. [08:15] could joined on 1st try but dint; didnt get the brow-beating either [08:15] i forget why [08:16] well, I got in on the first try and ended up staying. [08:16] in retrospect, i see that i wasnt suposed to join [08:16] is there a softer signal than SIGTERM [08:16] ok; so that workd for you? [08:16] aigon (n=adeodatu@92.82.88.183) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:16] SIGHUP ? [08:16] Quiznos: well, I retired after 21 years :) [08:16] so yea :) [08:16] my dear friend joined. 3y. [08:17] actually, last I checked, the contracts are all for 8 years - the difference is how many years are active v. inactive [08:17] i'm aware of some of the shannigans that go on on base :) [08:17] nods [08:17] well that went on during 80s [08:17] I joined in 76 [08:17] nods [08:18] i learned discipline from God; it's better that way :) [08:18] :) [08:18] bc i wanted to too [08:18] but i didnt have to have my will broken to get there either. [08:19] hmmm, breaking the will is kinda off - more like breaking mommies apron strings or rebelious attitudes [08:19] nods [08:20] the better soldiers/sailors have strong wills, but they also have the discipline to work with it [08:20] obedience is good upto a point [08:20] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:20] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:21] but i wonder how many in military actualy comprehend the importance of "disobedience to illegal orders" that's extremely important. [08:21] that's why in training (at least in the Navy) they tell you there are times when you have to refuse an order. just make sure your ducks are all lined up when you do :) [08:21] nods [08:21] but how many poeple actually do that when necesa? that's what i want to know [08:22] illegal orders can be quite subtle [08:22] that's true [08:22] indeed [08:22] and prob are [08:22] smed (n=smed@ool-45730036.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] i mean that such orders are being given but do ppl realise or recognise them? [08:22] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:22] smed (n=smed@ool-45730036.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:23] recognizing them is the hard part - some are blatantly illegal, but like you say, some are subtly illegal [08:23] s/some/a lot/ [08:23] smed (n=smed@ool-45730036.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [08:23] it depends on the order.. not everything is 100% obvious that it's illegal.. such as with the TI when we were at "Warrior Week" when I was in basic training [08:23] another instance is that te military is or about to or has already been given orders to flow into the states themselves; in convention of the Posse Committatus [08:24] and I have heard that foreign troops are already stationed in the states in disguise. [08:25] we have alredy been invaded at the behest of the federales in prep for something big [08:25] but i can easily hope that it's rumor. [08:25] i hope it is just propaganda [08:25] varun (n=v@59.92.222.11) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Quiznos: time to cut the paranoia [08:25] error_de2eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Quiznos: well, "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you" [08:26] :) [08:26] if "if you're not alittle paranoid, then you arent paying attention" [08:26] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left ##slackware. [08:26] ken, that's the precedent to the previous quote [08:26] my quot [08:26] he has a point, but it's nothing new.. for instance, spies are found every 5-10 years or so.. a couple was just found a few months back.. [08:26] ignor the first "if" [08:26] SELinux in one sentence: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?p=106 :D [08:26] rly? [08:27] hadnt heard that event [08:27] that's what i get for having a munged linux [08:27] no rss feeds [08:27] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [08:28] back in June actually [08:28] k [08:29] news' k-2.6.31-rc8 released a few days ago [08:29] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:30] Action: Zordrak doesn't consider kernel RCs news [08:31] does anyone know if there is a coherent .us.gov policy for FOSS? [08:31] Quiznos: can you go easy on the news? [08:31] i havent seen/heard/read any reports on it [08:31] how easy? [08:31] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [08:31] anna tawk about spies? :) [08:31] wanna [08:31] my script works really good :) [08:31] what script? [08:32] two secs [08:32] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [08:32] hi once i have installed slackware if i wish to modify any of the settings whats the console command to get back to the slack configuration menu's everytime i reboot my system time is an hour ahead of my hwclock [08:32] setup [08:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:32] run ntpd [08:32] http://spooksoftware.com/spook/startvm.sh [08:33] network time protocol daemon [08:33] or sync your hardware clock [08:33] varun (n=v@59.92.222.11) left ##slackware. [08:33] Quiznos, i have i sync both reboot then its incorrect again [08:33] set your timezone correctly? [08:33] in kde my timezone is set but where do i set my timezone for the system in general [08:33] gaz is there etc/rc.d/rc.netpd? and is it 755? [08:34] Quiznos: dont recommend ntpd where its not necessary [08:34] gaz: cron ntpdate [08:34] spook what does that script have to do with news'? [08:34] gaz: it would be the /etc/localtime file - which also should have a file named "localtime-copied-from" file to show where the timezone files are [08:35] wxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2009-08-31 18:02 localtime -> ..//usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London [08:35] which is correct [08:35] ntpd is running [08:36] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:36] i enabled that a couple of days ago following your recommendation [08:36] giuppy (n=giuppy@host68-107-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:36] ntpd requires some extra care - I usually stop ntpd and run ntpdate (which is deprecated, I know) [08:36] giuppy (n=giuppy@82.51.62.129) joined ##slackware. [08:36] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [08:36] alisonken1noc: is it? [08:36] Quiznos: it doesnt. you asked what script. [08:36] i've had no probs with rc.ntpd running [08:36] if i do ntpdate it corrects the issue but should i really have to keep running that to fix the issue [08:36] alisonken1noc: what do you think of it? [08:37] spook you asked about reducing news; i asked why; you wrote of script; why reduce the news? [08:37] because i'm sure everyone else reads the tech news as well? [08:37] spook only you have complained. [08:38] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:38] gaz since running rc.ntpd, my kclock is less than 1s off from TVGUIDE channel time. [08:38] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [08:39] there's been notes on why slackware changed to ntpd over ntpdate since 12.x days. I've found that ntpd may take a few extra steps to get working correctly, so until I'm forced to stop using ntpdate, I'll continue to use that [08:39] i'm satisfied with 1s accuracy. [08:39] spook: think of what? [08:39] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Action: quasar agrees with alisonken1noc [08:39] ntpd has the benefit of being real-time once it calibrates your drift [08:39] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [08:40] -137.178 [08:40] Quiznos, mines kde clock is 1hr ahead of my hw clock and the same when i run date. if i do ntpdate it fixes the issue would rather fix the underlying issue than cron ntpdate [08:40] that's my drift; what's it mean? [08:40] gaz check kde's TZ [08:40] whereas the ntpdate granularity is based on the freq with which yoyu poll the server [08:40] catch my drift? [08:41] alisonken1noc: http://spooksoftware.com/spook/startvm.sh [08:42] ntpd.drift contains the last estimate of your clock frequency [08:42] drift from what/ [08:42] or ntp.drift, i forget [08:43] `drift' name [08:43] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] it is how much you drift off real time due to the error in your clocks frequency versus an atomic clock [08:45] k; so a -x represent a falling behind such time source? [08:45] a drift of -x [08:45] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:46] spook: instead of $MACHINES, why not just cycle through [*] and stop at the first empty NAME[*]? [08:46] i don't recall if - is falling back or vice versa [08:46] alisonken1noc: good point. [08:47] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [08:47] so first line of starvm would be " [ -n NAME[$1] ] && return" or something like that [08:47] well my drift is negative; it must be lagging behind time sources that ntpd uses [08:47] that is a big drift too [08:48] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [08:48] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:48] spook: might suggest 1) check be for $1 being a number, if not, then check to see if there's a single vm that you want to start/stop [08:48] this is the benefit of ntpd over ntpdate [08:48] k [08:48] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:49] alisonken1noc: currently its doing what i want, not quite sure what you mean [08:49] Quiznos: there's an option to ntpd to allow big initial drift (-g, I think) which is used in the startup script [08:49] yea [08:50] one thing i have noticed is that ntp starts when i bootup but when i check a bit later it is no longer running [08:50] spook: like /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start [i/f] which allows you to kick off all of your network i/f's or specify an individual i/f to start/stop [08:50] alisonken1noc: yeah thats what i was basing my script on [08:51] wow osdir.com is pseudo-blank [08:51] another benefit is that if you have an entire lan, you only need run ntpd on one box and have the rest poll this box rather than have 10 boxes poll nasa [08:51] but rc.inet1 also accepts eth1_start [08:51] it's back [08:51] spook: hmm - have to go back and restudy it then [08:52] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.198) joined ##slackware. [08:53] spook: ok, I think I see where the difference is [08:53] oahong` (n=user@61.152.248.20) joined ##slackware. [08:54] spook: although, you don't have an option "stop)", only "*_stop)" [08:54] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89986.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:54] y0 [08:54] Im halfway at 13 [08:54] or a default - which would be start [08:54] kde kinda crashes [08:55] alisonken1noc: no option to stop all. or default to start all. [08:55] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:55] not how i'm going to be using it. :) [08:55] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.134.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:55] well, I find it's usually nice to have the options :) [08:55] i'm going to mess around getting -monitor to use a named pipe and have graceful power-offs for machines [08:57] john_dee (n=id@93-81-2-3.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [08:58] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:59] gaz: you ever find a solution to your problem other than ntpdate? [09:00] alzheimer moment here, to make a fat fs its mkfatfs? mkdosfs? [09:00] reading about it now mate, ill sort it eventually :D [09:01] gaz: what's the output of hwclock? [09:01] mancha: mkfs.vfat iirc [09:01] thanks [09:02] nope, not here at least. [09:02] quasar, its correct at the moment but if i reboot `date` will be an hour ahead of `hwclock` even though the regional settings are correct (Wed 02 Sep 2009 02:02:04 PM BST -0.250509 seconds [09:02] ) [09:02] mkfs.msdos [09:03] gaz: if your hwclock is wrong and system clock is right you can 'sync' them by doing hwclock --systohc .. other way around would be hwclock --hctosys [09:03] mkdosfs is what I have [09:03] o'er here it's mkdosfs - found it. hrmm, on your box it is mkfs.msdos? [09:03] (not mkfs.dos) [09:03] hmm, my slack dist Archive is incomplete [09:03] quasar, i have been doing that as mentioned if i reboot it just forgets [09:03] ah, didn't know you were doing that.. thought you were just doing the ntpdate/ntpd [09:03] hwclock will stay fine but system clock goes out [09:03] mkfs.msdos is a symlink to mkdosfs [09:03] ok alison, that's also what i have. but i recall using spook's comands too [09:04] quasar, trying a few things but thanks for the suggestions :D [09:04] gaz: check the ntpd manpage and see if the config is set for daemonizing [09:04] most of the mkfs.* are symlinks [09:04] no such symlink setup here though. but i recall using it on other *nices [09:04] as mentioned above ntpd starts on bootup but if i check a while later it isnt [09:04] mancha: yeah - mkfs.dos I _think_ was replaced a long time ago [09:04] mancha: slack 13? [09:05] alison, ah, that expain it... [09:05] spook, nope, not @ 13....yet :> [09:06] brb gonna reboot [09:06] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:06] gaz, it might be exiting because your offset is too big, make sure you run with -g the first time [09:06] mancha: might be why. [09:06] i remember 12ish there was mkfs.vfat [09:06] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:06] mancha: I think it's part of /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd that -g is given for startup [09:07] but don't quote me - have to check [09:07] i think i have enough of a Archive/ that I dont need no steenkeen intarweb. [09:07] spook, ok, i just was feeling like i was have twilight moments...i use it rarely and when i do the name seems to change :) [09:07] i can install from my Archive/ [09:07] scorchsaber (n=scorch@gig2-cr1.cottage.ackley.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:08] alison, ok, yeah, it makes sense if you are cold booting and your clock (or cmos) is fubar [09:10] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD89E73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:11] r_linux (n=r_linux@200.225.95.150) joined ##slackware. [09:11] i think that 137 drift means you lose about 11 seconds a day. is that about what you notice anecdotally? [09:12] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:12] mancha: last I checked, drift was the diff between your system and the reference system [09:12] alison, its a complex setup, it is PPM per day, iirc [09:12] yeah - something like that [09:12] still works out to diff :) [09:13] yeah, it is a diff, but to turn it back to human units took my calculator :> [09:13] hah [09:13] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:17] welanx1 (n=welanx@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] welanx (n=welanx@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:21] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:21] 1) check logs for errors 2) delete said program causing programs 3) goto: 1 until 2 does not apply 4) ?????? 5) PROFIT!!! [09:21] :P [09:21] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89986.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:22] s/PROFIT!!!/BOOYA!!!/ [09:23] varun (n=v@59.92.222.11) joined ##slackware. [09:23] nyRednek (n=yosi@12.171.162.53) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:24] Hi everyone, [09:24] http://pastebin.com/mcce5b85 [09:25] hey varun [09:25] hi [09:25] spam? o.O [09:25] akira42 (n=tetsuo@88.73.236.74) joined ##slackware. [09:25] you may want to make a note as to what the pastebin covers - not everyone likes getting surprises since usually pastebins are for errors and such [09:26] quasar: solicitation (spam depends on interpretation :) ) [09:26] ok [09:26] alisonken1noc: thanks [09:26] :) [09:27] np [09:28] yey, today is last day of work. [09:28] i can't wait to just get away. [09:30] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:31] varun (n=v@59.92.222.11) left ##slackware. [09:32] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [09:33] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-52-217.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:34] john_dee (n=id@93-81-2-3.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:34] spam via pastebin, thats rich [09:35] aint it. [09:37] mancha: it happens. [09:37] Why do you think I changed pastebin codes? [09:39] Roin (n=florian@p5B2BF87E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:39] huhu ._. [09:39] uhm: Hi ^^ [09:39] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "bb ;)" [09:40] Mrs (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Hatl (n=asdf@85.124.105.65) left ##slackware. [09:44] Dominian: except he actually used it to paste :) that's why he posted it here [09:44] but yea - spam by pastebin is rich [09:45] hehe [09:46] spectre (n=daventry@41.220.211.157) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [09:48] john_dee (n=id@93-81-2-3.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [09:49] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [09:49] this kid is so awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2y5qhuH9LU&feature=sub [09:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:52] whatis Xepher? [09:53] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:53] agentc0re: what instrument is the guy there playing? ._. [09:54] arauto (n=leandro@187.20.17.141) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Ok all, I've started a Slackware-user generated "news" site sligg.slackadelic.com :P [09:55] needs more categories.. but it is akin to digg/slashdot [09:55] agentc0re: woo! crazy train [09:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Dominian in console, capcha fails [09:56] can provide text capcha instead? [09:57] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) joined ##slackware. [09:57] arauto (n=leandro@187.20.17.141) left irc: Client Quit [09:57] Quiznos: for? [09:57] i've seen some sites ask simple math question [09:57] sligg [09:57] ah [09:57] hehe [09:57] Roin: some pvc pipes [09:57] also puhleeleeleeleeleeleeleez s/human/Man|Woman/g [09:57] Quiznos: try now [09:57] captcha succeded for me [09:57] seriously; i'm not hue-man. i'm man. [09:57] ty [09:57] agentc0re: wow [09:57] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:58] Quiznos: you have issues [09:58] very nice [09:58] I have a small problem as well ^^' [09:58] Zordrak well according to the ##Linux definition of "pedantic" yea :) [09:58] lol [09:59] Dominian: content guidelines? [09:59] i like most of mine issews tho; they're harmless [09:59] Zordrak: use common sense ? [09:59] :) [09:59] if you hit the "submit story" it gies you basic guidelines [09:59] Dominian vgood [09:59] now, what did i join? [09:59] Dominian: got a Wrong Referrer when using the bookmarklet [10:00] Dominian the table cols are out of order [10:00] Quiznos: Its a site akin to that of digg.com or slashdot.org.. user driven content.. mainly slackware users I'm hoping :) but other content is definitely useful .. its a mainly technology site etc.. whatever you wanna see it as [10:00] Quiznos: Doens't surprise me [10:00] Action: Dominian is still working the kinks out [10:00] ok ok ok. [10:00] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:01] yay i'm #1 in user list [10:01] Dominian: just wondering what constitutes News (being one of the two categories available) [10:01] midlin karma [10:01] Zordrak: I need more categories actually [10:01] :D [10:01] Action: Dominian wasn't sure what other categories to add in [10:01] where's the cat list? [10:01] I want to migrate to Slackware, I've used Linux (Linux Mint) as my main OS for some time now and tested Slackware in VBox, BUT my knowlegde about networks and stuff is pretty low (near 0) and on Slackware I dont have a network manager, so to finally ome to my problem: I have a WPA encrypted network and actually I believe connecting to it using wpa_supplicant is kinda... difficult. So does anybody have a good resource or maybe a good idea how [10:01] News and Security right now... [10:01] roin jump right in. [10:01] Dominian: can you re-category an already submitted>? [10:01] Zordrak: probably [10:02] Dominian: then ill submit, and you pick categories that suit :) [10:02] haha ok [10:02] Roin: wicd [10:02] Roin: it's not difficult at all :) are you on slackware now? [10:02] Dominian Tech, Company doings, law-{jurisdiction}, ... [10:02] thrice`: no not now [10:02] Roin: included with slackware in /extra [10:02] spook: yeah? O_O [10:02] Dominian software news, .. [10:03] wow mail's early [10:03] Quiznos: guess will have to wait and see what type of stories get added [10:03] aftnoob all [10:03] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:03] or even aftnoon ;-) [10:03] wicd is the non-gnome equivalent of network manager [10:03] hello [10:03] Roin: well, you can either install a point+click tool (like wicd, which slackware provides in its extra/), or use the slackware scripts, which will require setting up 2 config files [10:03] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [10:04] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] thrice`: ok, but the Slackbook doesnt hold any infos about the config files (or at least not about WPA) [10:04] I'm always a little bit lost when it comes to my WPA WLAN :( [10:04] That's intentional. [10:05] Use openvpn instead of WPA/WEP. ;^) [10:05] person (n=ed@92.17.243.163) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:05] Roin: no, the slackbook is old and sucks (har har) [10:05] Dominian: posted [10:05] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa_encryption [10:05] is this cool or what? www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/02/bmw_vision/ [10:05] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Roin, you basically only need a wpa_supplicant.conf file...the format is rather straighforward for that file. you can also then use the rc scripts to start thingas at boot but you needn't [10:06] Why on earth do car companies create these ugly futuristic cars that they'll never put on the show room floor 'cause no one would buy them? [10:06] for showing new tech and design [10:07] new design? They don't have any intention of using the new design. [10:07] Alan_Hicks: cool to view, not so cool to own a gull winged car i guess [10:07] I don't even think it's cool to view, but maybe that's just me. [10:07] thrice`: ok thanks a lot :D [10:07] thrice`: I will give it a go in a few days (need a few CD's or a DVD first ._.) [10:07] Alan_Hicks: what is your idea of a cool car? [10:07] oh oh, think i found new bug in 13's mc; i'm getting errors on ftp'ing dirs; [name doesnt exist] i think the names are dirnames and mc isnt creating them. [10:08] Roin: cool :) it's not bad, and kind teaches you what network-manager does in the background [10:08] and, worse-case, you install the wicd package and point+click for awhile :D [10:08] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:08] thrice`: true lol [10:08] gnubien: Muscle. :^) [10:08] The coolest cars have always been Mustangs, Chargers, Challengers, and the like. [10:09] Alan_Hicks: yes, i like the new chevy camaro, ford mustang [10:09] Chakravanti (n=chunk@67.236.82.46) joined ##slackware. [10:09] Particularly the originals. [10:09] thrice`: but I want to learn something new, did it the Click 'n' Play way for to long I think [10:09] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) left irc: "leaving" [10:09] Just look at an old Mustang from say '65. Thing can go and looks like it too. Big shark-mouth of a grill, sleek without trying to look like a Coca~Cola bottle. [10:09] Alan_Hicks they're all conceptualisations for future use [10:09] Alan_Hicks: too difficult to maintain or restore an original muscle car imho [10:09] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Quiznos: No, they're crap that won't ever be used in the future. No one wants to drive a car that looks like the man without skin from your anatomy textbook. [10:10] gnubien: That's at least half the fun. [10:10] Alan_Hicks: you know I like cars like a '69 Pontiac Firebird, but also think about how much gas it used [10:10] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Roin: Gotta pay to play. [10:11] Alan_Hicks: yea, if you have the talent,money and motivation [10:11] Yeah but also think about our enviroment ^^ [10:11] error_de2eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:13] john_dee (n=id@93-81-2-3.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:14] space pix of LA fires: http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/09/02/califorrnia_fires.jpg [10:14] Ok I'm afk ^^' [10:14] spectre (n=daventry@41.220.211.157) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [10:17] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:29] when i compile generator it says it doesn't fin tcl/tk 8.0 [10:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Alan_Hicks BTW, LOL on your anatomy ref; vfuni [10:30] which is rediculous because i just reinstalled 8.5 from the 13 DVD >.> [10:31] john_dee (n=id@93-81-2-3.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:31] welp; afk. [10:31] Chakravanti STOP BREAKING SHIT!!! [10:31] :) [10:31] latr [10:31] lol [10:31] gone [10:32] Zordrak: fixed [10:32] Zordrak: and since there are very few users.. published it [10:34] ii just want to play starflight =( [10:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:37] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:43] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:44] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:48] akira42 (n=tetsuo@88.73.236.74) left irc: "leaving" [10:49] Action: Chakravanti breaks down and starts w(h)ining [10:49] is there anyone here that can answer a quick slackware store question? [10:50] just throw the question out there...if someone can answer it...someone will [10:50] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A666F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A666F.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:50] although....i think i'm gonna lose those privleges soon =P [10:50] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A666F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:51] hello [10:51] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [10:52] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.97.228.6) joined ##slackware. [10:52] hi [10:53] I'm looking for info on the 13.0 subscription and how it works. I read the link at the store, but I'm fuzzy on why the subscription is less than a disk by itself. [10:54] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [10:54] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:54] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [10:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:57] Subscruption will automatically sell you a copy at each release i believe [10:57] where i find the network config file [10:57] like an mmo subscription except /release instead of /month [10:57] because i want to automatic ifconfig [10:57] Chakravanti: Subscription is at approx. 1/2 the price of purchase, and yes, as soon as they're off the presses, they get shipped [10:57] Action: alisonken1noc happy subscriber for 5 years [10:57] every time when i reboot i have to write ifconfig eth0 up etc etc... [10:57] where i can do it automatically? [10:58] jekkt: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [10:58] slackmag1c (n=magician@173.74.42.18) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Chakravanti: alisonken1noc: thanks. [10:59] i'll buy the book & the T-shirt when my backpay comes in =) [10:59] alisonken1home, i got only rc0.d this? [10:59] *yawn* [11:00] Action: Chakravanti thinks a jacket patch would be nifty too [11:00] jekkt: no - if you're running slackware, the file you want to modify is /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf to setup networking automatically [11:00] I'm having a hard time explaining to a Gov purchaser that the subscription costs less than a single release...apparently it does not compute. [11:01] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [11:01] SpacePlod: instead of explaining it - give it to him on a paper with the pricing in black and white [11:02] SpacePlod: or have him look at http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/slackdvd13.0?id=XLEjH9hJ:mv_pc=35 [11:02] Yeah...I already sent the link and he brought over the printed page. He's convinced you need to order the disk and the subscription. [11:02] IOW - he didn't read the subscription link page - typical [11:03] gbowden (n=gbowden@163.Red-83-45-71.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] SpacePlod: bet him a paycheck that he doesn't need to order both and see if he'll take you up on it :) [11:03] lol I want in on that bet [11:04] I had a boss in the navy actually want to bet his o4 paycheck against my e5 paycheck on something :) [11:05] that's quite a pay diff... [11:05] alisonken1noc: Thats a pretty good amount of differenece. [11:05] since I already had the inside scoop, I declined the paycheck, but kept it a little more reasonable [11:06] hah! yep. He ordered both. I just mentioned the bet and he said he already sent it up. [11:06] omnidroid (n=omnidroi@m3c0436d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] spectre (n=daventry@h16b3.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [11:06] lol [11:07] tell him good job for supporting slackware so well :) [11:07] your government dollars at work. [11:07] best comedian, thoughts/opinions? [11:07] omnidroid (n=omnidroi@m3c0436d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:07] SpacePlod: lol I've worked for the goverment before, our CIO picked a phone based on... "it has more buttons" lol [11:08] like govt related business has monopoly on waste and stupidity [11:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] ananke: yep [11:08] firedix (n=firedix@host155.200-117-141.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:08] well its time for me to get some sleep, later everyone. [11:08] lf4: if that was the case here we'd be buying Ubuntu, I guess. [11:09] SpacePlod: Haha yep [11:09] Wait ubuntu is free?!?! [11:09] ;) [11:09] Action: hitest shudders at the thought of *buying* ubuntu :) [11:09] ...right. [11:09] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) joined ##slackware. [11:09] there are companies that sell paid support contracts for ubuntu [11:09] so yes, you can buy it [11:09] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] firedix (n=firedix@host155.200-117-141.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] firedix (n=firedix@host155.200-117-141.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:12] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) joined ##slackware. [11:12] monstro (i=1000@201-92-45-60.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:12] oo found good info on my video card [11:12] brb [11:13] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:14] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [11:14] well the new xorg.conf worked [11:14] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:14] but sadly bash-3.1$ glxgears [11:14] Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". [11:14] GLUT: Fatal Error in glxgears: OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display: :0.0 [11:15] which video card? [11:15] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) left irc: Client Quit [11:15] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A666F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:15] nVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M [11:16] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.122) joined ##slackware. [11:17] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [11:17] brb update to xorg.conf [11:17] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:18] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [11:19] gbowden (n=gbowden@163.Red-83-45-71.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:19] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:20] anyone having any luck with kdebluetooth4 on 13.0? I've taken the slackbuild for 1.0_beta8 and changed it to build kdebluetooth4, but i keep getting errors on the cmake compile at 51% [11:21] any errors specifically? :) [11:21] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [11:21] probally not surprising. [11:21] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-241-129-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [11:22] hrm, it seems when I try and use "nvidia" as the driver, it wont load right [11:22] just get a black screen [11:22] dhw: check the xorg log. [11:23] let me paste bin int thrice` [11:23] one sec [11:23] dhw: with 185.18.36 ? i think i had a black screen only with a previous version. i have the same card [11:23] that's what I am doing right now [11:23] I am using everything from slackbuilds.org [11:23] for 13.0 which I am using [11:23] and currently I am not using a custom kernel [11:24] i suggest you use the latest version [11:24] of the nvidia driver [11:24] the newest driver [11:24] okay [11:24] ill have to uninstall now [11:24] thrice`: http://pastebin.ca/1551575 [11:25] i was going to just go with the 1.0_beta8, but it doesnt like qt4 :) [11:26] sahko, could I see your xorg.conf? [11:27] it pretty basic , just an nvidia-xconfig generated one. but here you go [11:27] http://grbzks.pastebin.com/f226c34f5 [11:27] I always get this [11:27] No certified downloads were found for this configuration. To include beta downloads in your search, click here. [11:28] nvidia-driver (185.18.31) [11:28] that's what I was using [11:28] Linux IA32 [11:28] Latest Version: 185.18.36 [11:29] the 36 isnt beta [11:29] use that one? [11:29] yeah [11:29] okay [11:29] mag0o: sorry, doesn't describe much about what is erroring out :( [11:30] (at least that i'm intelligent enough to pick up0 [11:30] hehe, same here [11:30] google didnt help much either [11:30] firedix (n=firedix@host155.200-117-141.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:30] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [11:31] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Fuck off with your Star Trek ideas" [11:31] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD89E73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] does anyone know offhand how much space OOo takes up in /opt? [11:31] I don't need to update the download url do I? [11:31] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [11:31] just the version number [11:32] briareus, 359952 openoffice.org [11:32] briareus, strange though I also have openoffice.org3 o0 [11:32] briareus: 400mb including the ooo3 folder there [11:32] yeah I noticed that too and I'm wondering what's up, I'm using a lot more space than I expected or remembered from my 12.1 [11:32] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-" [11:33] dunno, weird [11:33] open office is still more or less useless to me as it doesn't deal with form input correctly, and i only use it (try to, at least) to fill in job apps. [11:34] dammit, got two compaq laptops to put slack on and just found out they have cd drivers rather than dvd [11:35] s/drivers/drives [11:35] as ms keep changing the goal posts i really doubt i'll ever really find it satisfactory. [11:35] looks like download time [11:35] I designed my resume and my business cards on it, worked really well for that, as well as my bank account spreadsheet which is excel by day and OOo by night [11:36] briareus: fair enough. i only use it when i have to deal with ms files, hence my complaints. [11:36] does anyone know of a filelight-like space visualizer, hopefully terminal/curses based? [11:36] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] yesyes: Yeah, I have those too, but my complaint is more to M$ [11:36] but it is indeed frustrating [11:36] anyway, I want filelight, but I don't want to have to install kde3 (I'll check if they have a kde4) [11:37] spectre (n=daventry@h16b3.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:37] oh looky, they do. [11:37] aye. as long as they design the office format in general use, we'll always be fucked. the problem is how to get people to start using other formats. [11:38] okay going to test this out wish me luck :P [11:40] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:40] gfidente (n=giulivo@93-44-211-13.ip99.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [11:40] Padhu1 (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) joined ##slackware. [11:43] moh2a (n=mohaa@89.16.14.17) joined ##slackware. [11:44] sdfgsrs (n=srfsfsrf@host81-158-80-0.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:45] is madwifi-ng and mad tools available for 13 or can i use 12.2's ? [11:47] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.122) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:47] Wedgy (n=p@c-98-247-205-184.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:48] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [11:49] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [11:49] woo hoo [11:49] thank you for the help :) [11:49] it's working perfecly now [11:50] now I can start working on my 3d engine [11:50] good luck dhw [11:50] if I don't want/need the default huge kernel, I'm ok losing all that /lib/2.6.29 eh? [11:50] I have worked with opengl/directx before but never wrote anything in linux so that will be fun [11:51] /lib/modules/2.6.29 [11:51] ah, yes that's what I meant [11:51] my kernels are running smooth so I think I'm nuking the default [11:51] but i do not see a reason why you should be "losing" it [11:52] Padhu1 (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:52] I am watching the x-files [11:52] you can have at the same time even 50 diff kernels if you like [11:52] well I won't be using the default kernel anymore, and my kernels are 30.4 and 30.5 [11:52] no one use madwifi with 13 ? [11:52] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@net-93-64-78-194.cust.dsl.vodafone.it) joined ##slackware. [11:52] so just boot 2.6.30.5 [11:53] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) joined ##slackware. [11:54] sdfgsrs (n=srfsfsrf@host81-158-80-0.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:54] nheco (n=nheco@189-30-62-18.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [11:58] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:00] MUahahaha! I did Quiznos! I found a starflight modded especially to work in dosbox for linux! [12:02] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [12:05] slacknode (n=Slacknod@32.145.235.110) joined ##slackware. [12:05] slacknode (n=Slacknod@32.145.235.110) left irc: Client Quit [12:05] ok.. need hardware advice again [12:06] I need to know if http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103039 will work on http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=p4m80%20pro-m7 [12:06] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.134.69) joined ##slackware. [12:06] I'm pretty sure it will but want to verify that with some hardware gurus [12:07] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [12:07] can you non-link that? [12:08] say what? [12:08] You want tinyurls? [12:09] plain english perhaps? [12:09] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [12:09] The heatsink is the first link and the mobo I need it for is the second link. [12:09] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:10] the pic links are broken on the biostar site >.> [12:10] is the heatsink lga775? [12:10] glxgears does not display fps info in the console anyone know why this happens? [12:11] Necos: i've used biostar mobos for 7 years, they work great for me [12:11] westol (n=bnguyen@113.22.41.26) joined ##slackware. [12:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: [12:12] how to change default browser to firefox? on my machine, it's using seamonkey as default. [12:13] Reav___ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:13] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:13] cpan: 0 slackbuilds: 1 [12:14] glxgears -printfps does not seem to work [12:14] Dominian: i'd say maybe [12:16] that's not what i said... i said the pics on the site don't work... i.e., they're not there... [12:18] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:18] spook: yeah.. can't go off a maybe :0 [12:19] and I just confirmed.. it should work. Found the manfuacture website.. its for an Intel LGA 775 processor whichi s what that board is [12:19] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:19] Dominian: if the cooler is lga775 it will work [12:20] it looks roughly like an lga775 cooler [12:21] westol (n=bnguyen@113.22.41.26) left irc: "leaving" [12:22] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:22] Perfec7 (n=FullT@201009185057.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Perfec7 (n=FullT@201009185057.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware. [12:24] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:24] spook: yeah it is [12:24] then yes [12:24] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:30] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. 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[12:43] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:44] i see [12:44] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] my mail() problem from last night was a poorly coded file from a turd [12:46] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@bender.elementalit.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] jeev: I saw [12:46] jeev: every third-party app saw fit to include a libplayer.so file. [12:46] gonzalo (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [12:47] heh [12:47] weak [12:47] hey [12:47] Necos butthead [12:48] and one of those .so was *severely* outdated [12:48] what jeev? :P [12:48] nothing, is it nasty where you are right now [12:48] it's OK here i guess [12:48] i didnt even realize but there were glendalians right next door to a couple fires [12:48] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.22) joined ##slackware. [12:48] lol [12:52] Master-Passeli (n=joni@e83-245-149-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Hello everyone [12:53] Hi Master-Passeli [12:54] Hmmm.... quick question. [12:54] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Im looking forward to install Slack 13 soon but i can not find cpufreg tools like cpufred available to it [12:54] jeev, you never did give me your BB pin :P [12:54] Anyway I can pipe stdin to gzip and create a text file. [12:54] i checked slackbuild and prebuild packages [12:54] gimme yours [12:54] Case in point, # find /foo -type d > /tmp/dirs; gzip dirs [12:55] I'd like to avoid an intermediate file, even though there's not a whole lot of point in this example. [12:55] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:56] i've been wanting to play with BB messenger, so you're the lucky guinea pig [12:56] 5.0 ? [12:56] or original [12:57] i dunno the version, let me check... running OS 4.7 [12:58] 4.7.0 [12:58] the new 5.0 messenger is cool, i dont think you need 5.0 os yet but it's cool [12:58] did you get my request?? [12:58] i mean but it's buggy [12:59] nope, not yet... no signal in here... [12:59] let me go outside real quick [12:59] Nevermind. Figured it out on my own. [12:59] oh necos, weird [13:00] howto kill firefox? [13:00] howto know process id? [13:00] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Alan_Hicks: find ... | gzip -9c > file.gz [13:00] killall firefox-bin [13:00] No such process. [13:00] jaa that was [13:00] rworkman: Yeah. I'm a dumbass for not thinking of that right away. :^) [13:00] killall -9 rworkman [13:00] heey robbie how are you? [13:00] Alan_Hicks: :) [13:00] gonzalo: hungry. [13:01] jeev: zombie process. [13:01] do you remember me? some long time ago you were going to send me an old machine [13:01] Action: jeev pulls the plug [13:01] and i had to donate some money to slack [13:01] gonzalo: ah yes, you're in .br :) [13:01] nope [13:01] in argentina [13:01] Oh yeah. [13:01] That machine died. :/ [13:01] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-61-117.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:01] uu [13:02] RIP to that machine :,( [13:02] i have a celeron 2.4 with 256 to setup that server [13:02] I've had *lots* of stuff die since then :/ [13:02] gonzalo: that's much better than what I had [13:02] yea [13:02] rworkman, i'm addicted to colocation [13:02] i want to send servers to two more locations now [13:02] it's a drug [13:02] right now im having problems with amarok and compiling kernel [13:02] Addicted to colons? [13:02] ;-) [13:02] it gives kernel panic vfs [13:03] only dropping dirt from my colon [13:03] gonzalo: use the stock kernel :) [13:03] and i compiled built in all the filesystems [13:03] im using 2.6.29.6 [13:03] Well, gotta run - just looking in for a bit; sorry I can't stay longer [13:04] ok im going to have lunch [13:04] what time there? [13:04] im behaving [13:04] stop snooping [13:04] 10am in socal [13:04] alisonken1home, 1004 [13:05] ok - then 1010 :) [13:05] start ntpd, you're off [13:05] lol brb gotta move my car [13:05] great [13:05] ok - 1005 :) [13:05] alisonken1home, does dreamhost give you a box or what [13:06] yep [13:06] hmm [13:06] dual 21" lcd's too [13:06] i want to drop a box in los angles peer 1 [13:06] LA peer1 [13:06] plus, they don't look too hard if I decide to "borrow" a slot in a rack [13:06] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [13:06] ahh [13:06] nice, 1U without rails fine ? [13:06] hi people [13:06] ;) [13:07] hmm - mostly with rails. the racks without rails are going away [13:07] somebody uses 8139too ? [13:07] my network stops working after i while [13:07] i got a decent box here, cant find the rails [13:07] i want to send it somewhere damnit [13:07] i = a [13:07] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [13:07] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) left irc: "leaving" [13:07] what kind of box? [13:08] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) joined ##slackware. [13:08] it's a penguincomputing 1U altus 1300 [13:08] ah [13:08] pretty decent, dual dualcore opteron 252 i think, 4 gigs of ram if i recall [13:08] onboard sata blows so i need to find another pci-x one [13:08] we use dells and silicon mechanics [13:08] but it works great, i have two in one of my datacenters [13:08] yea, i prefer HP's and supermicro (more) [13:08] but HP if i'm gona get used [13:09] that is interesting; the /opt/openoffice.org3 and the much larger /opt/openoffice.org [13:09] we got a bunch of dells (forget the model - but they use 2.5" drives) [13:09] sas [13:09] yea, i have only two servers like that and i regret even getting them for free [13:09] they're higher end ones too [13:09] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] so far they've been pretty good, but we've only had them for about a year [13:10] i just prefer sata, they're cheaper.. easy [13:10] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7291B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] yep [13:10] Action: slackytude is on the twilight zone [13:11] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) left irc: Client Quit [13:11] slackytude _is_ the twilight zone [13:11] win7 is better than slack 13 and this video gets played by xine but not by mplayer [13:11] surely, the end is near [13:11] win7 is hot eh [13:11] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) joined ##slackware. [13:11] ? [13:11] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [13:11] well, Im kinda frustrated getting slack13 to oerform at work, and yes win7 is quite good [13:11] win7 is better than slack13 [13:11] win7 is not better than slack. [13:12] wtf [13:12] HEHehh [13:12] win7 is not better than slack13 [13:12] nice troll :D [13:12] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) joined ##slackware. [13:12] well, it would help if I get opengl to work on slack [13:12] well, that's an opinion, you are free to have it, but I disagree [13:12] Slackware 13.. not going so smooth =( [13:12] win7 is better than vista, and is better in many ways than XP [13:12] so far I have no problems in slack13 [13:12] how does one use nvidia with the new xorg-less X ? [13:13] im getting error: C compiler cannot create executables... did gcc not get installed or something? [13:13] winnytude [13:13] try putting slack 13 next to win7 in identicle VMs and see how you go :P [13:13] rob0, nooo! [13:13] haha rob0 [13:13] Wedgy (n=p@c-98-247-205-184.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [13:13] well, the fact that win7 is on a machine that is 4 weeks old and my slackmachine is like, 3 or 4 yerars, it not really a fair fight [13:14] still, kde 4.2 without hardware video is kinda lame [13:14] first thing i did was slackpkg upgrade-all, it updated Bash.. when i logged out.. my system was nuked =( [13:15] briareus_ (n=briareus@mayo-nat2.mayo.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:15] slackytude: KDE 4.2 is even fast on my Virtual Box Slackware install o_O [13:15] anyway, why is this video not played by mplayer? and why by xine [13:15] maybe I should update the codecs or something [13:15] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:15] Action: slackytude shrugs [13:15] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:16] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [13:16] SlackWeird (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) joined ##slackware. [13:16] didnt have much time to tinker with it. some annoying customers disturbed my work day, for some reasons [13:16] the nerve of these people [13:16] perhaps you can run the video in mplayer from a terminal, and thus receive helpful information [13:16] briareus, nope [13:16] briareus, nothing at all [13:16] nope as in no information or as in you refuse [13:17] oh ok [13:17] monstro (i=1000@201-92-45-60.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] anyway, how to enable nvidia stuff? [13:18] looks like the nv driver doesnt cut it [13:20] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:21] you know, xine aint that bad [13:22] i really hate xine [13:23] can anyone tell me why i'd get error: C compiler cannot create executables on a fresh install of slack 13? [13:23] mm [13:23] gcc? [13:24] im tyring to install the slackbuild of wxGTK [13:24] HoldMyPocket: not 32bit [13:24] ooo i can't use slackbuilds? [13:24] for 64? [13:24] yeah [13:25] i was trying to install the filezilla slackbuild (for 13) and i got the same error [13:25] HoldMyPocket: yes, you can. set your ARCH properly first [13:25] what error? [13:25] cannot create executables [13:25] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/wxGTK/ <-- should work. Probably need either set your ARCH or install some files from d/ [13:25] HoldMyPocket: yes, you can. set your ARCH properly first [13:26] ahh, okay, noob questions.. what's ARCH and where do i set it? [13:26] HoldMyPocket: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64 [13:26] thank you! [13:27] btw,what is the name of the kdeutility that starts the desktop effects [13:27] gonzalo_ (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [13:27] init[3]: kwin, the kde windows manager? [13:27] gonzalo (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [13:27] e [13:27] Nick change: gonzalo_ -> gonzalo [13:27] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) left irc: "leaving" [13:27] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) joined ##slackware. [13:28] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [13:28] i have setup my session to be always new rather than previous session,so it doesn't start effects by defaut,i have to manually put that up in startup [13:28] init[3]: slack13? [13:28] yes [13:28] init[3]: I've got mine to "Restore manually saved sessions only" [13:28] two sec. [13:29] alisonken1home: ok,so i will to try that first i guess, [13:29] checking it [13:30] alisonken1home: what triggers effects to be listed in the manuall startup [13:31] spook: two seconds , time up ;D [13:32] RockNRolla (n=RockNRol@unaffiliated/wrongdevice) joined ##slackware. [13:32] someone know how to enable front jacks with alsa SigmaTel 92HD206X Ati-HDA ? [13:33] RockNRolla: you are already checked alsamixer and all of it's settings? [13:33] yes [13:34] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:34] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:34] init[3]: system settings, desktop, enable desktop effects [13:35] spook: that does enable it , but once i logout,with the setting *start with an empty session* its goes off [13:35] init[3]: that's why I use the "saved manual session" option :) [13:35] ooh,now i get it [13:35] trying it out [13:35] brb [13:36] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: [13:36] right - once you get a basic setup, you have the option of saving manually so it comes back the way you want it to, not the way you left it [13:37] jigp_ (i=allan@ti500720a080-5024.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [13:37] RockNRolla (n=RockNRol@unaffiliated/wrongdevice) left ##slackware ("Closing Chan |Spam|"). 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[13:42] Chakravanti (n=chunk@67.236.82.46) left irc: "Leaving" [13:42] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:42] my slack13 is freezing if I try to start kde (using startx) without a xorg.conf. I had to reboot it and use xorg.conf-vesa, for it to work... any idea [13:42] ? [13:43] my xorg is messed up without xorg, too. [13:43] i blame hal for being shit and bloated [13:43] tavl: read the /var/log/Xorg0.log? [13:44] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Xorg.0.log (need the extra period to find) [13:44] even its own claims its bloated and has stopped work on it. [13:44] have they come out with a native linux version for chrome? [13:44] argh... [13:44] I think I'm giving up firefox and switching to seamonkey...my flash runs better in it [13:44] although he his continuing on with devicekit, to be fair to him, which will replace hal. [13:44] Seamonkey loads faster too. [13:45] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [13:45] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:46] alisonken1home: spook it doesn't work, [13:46] what part? [13:46] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) left irc: "leaving" [13:46] i enabled the manually saved thing , and re-enabled the effects then logged out [13:47] did you save manual session before logging out? [13:47] in kde4, it's an option in the logout tab from the menu thingy [13:47] alisonken1home: sorry to ask this,does it ask should it save [13:47] ooh [13:47] lemme check that [13:47] tavl (n=Thiago@189.70.226.24) left irc: "Leaving" [13:47] hey thrice`, fire|bird... what source package is k3b in? :P [13:47] no - it doesn't ask if you want to save [13:48] I cant help feeling sligg needs more articles :) [13:48] sligg? [13:48] sligg.slackadelic.com [13:49] ah [13:49] can WINE display windows-esque taskbar bubble notifications? [13:49] corte: no [13:49] theres one article.. and thats cos i posted it [13:49] hehe [13:49] thanks [13:49] ok - I can see :) [13:49] re [13:49] alisonken1home: the logic works this way i guess, [a] i will have to run the apps i require to run next time i login, [b] then i will have to manully go to the session settings and save it [13:50] is it? [13:50] init[3] you could write script for .bash_logout [13:50] i would have been much better if kde4 asked me to save the session b4 i logged out [13:50] 1) setup your desktop the way you want it to startup as, 2) manually save session [13:50] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166044053.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:50] init[3] but be cognizant of async shutdowns interrupting _logout [13:50] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166044053.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Client Quit [13:50] Necos: k3b is it's own package and is it's own source. [13:50] alisonken1home: how do i manullay save it? [13:51] that is where i'm lost [13:51] Quiznos: dump BitchX, pick up irssi [13:51] i mean, where did you download it from [13:51] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) left irc: "Leaving" [13:51] Quiznos: i will try that as a last resort :) [13:51] shutdowns and other itnerrruptions [13:51] k [13:51] on the task bar for shutdown/logout (whatever it says), there's an option for save session - but ONLY if you have session manager set to 'Restore Manually Saved Sessions" [13:51] zordrak, i've been using epic until recently [13:51] init[3]: ^^^ [13:51] Zordrak why honey? [13:51] :> [13:51] ok got cha [13:52] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Zordrak you the new irssi evangelist? [13:52] Necos: http://k3b.plainblack.com/download <----Here is where you can get it. [13:53] thankies! [13:53] Quiznos: http://slackware.com/security/viewer.php?l=slackware-security&y=2009&m=slackware-security.285737 <-- *that's* why [13:54] Howdy BP{k} [13:54] v4nelle (n=Nelle@79.103.231.205) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [13:54] fire|bird: good evening. :) [13:54] Necos, im trying to get some massive amount of bandwidth into burbank and glendale [13:55] i want to shoot wimax [13:55] BP{k}: How's it going? [13:55] BP{k}: not *just* that [13:56] /whois Quiznos [13:56] 18:50:41 [FreeNode] -!- ircname : * I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc * [13:56] BP{k} too bad the text url's arent anchors otherwise i might care more. [13:56] Zordrak tyvm. [13:56] BitchX is bad when it's configured properly.. worse when it's not [13:56] ive never had a prob [13:57] >.< [13:57] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Quiznos: youve never NOTICED a prob [13:57] thats not what i wrote [13:57] Quiznos: yet. [13:57] pirving (i=1000@host-12-25-50-54.beeline-online.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009062414]" [13:58] jeev, how you gonna manage that? [13:58] Action: Zordrak red-tags you. [13:58] pretty tag [13:58] Zordrak: I guess there are always people who think they know better. [13:58] fire|bird: I am good, thanks. how are you? [13:59] BP{k}: doing great, thank you. :) [13:59] PCLoadLetter (n=IceChat7@unaffiliated/pcloadletter) joined ##slackware. [14:01] what do you maen [14:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] what do you mean [14:01] massive bandwidth [14:01] start with a gigabit [14:01] they're not offering it alrady? [14:01] *already [14:01] not in this area man, it's really expensive if you do it through a company [14:01] best thing to do is get loop to downtown [14:02] jeev: you need that much for your pron collectoin? [14:02] good luck with that... DTLA is pretty saturated as is [14:02] alisonken1home, much more [14:02] Necos, down town aint saturated lol [14:02] dallas is saturated [14:02] downtown is nothing [14:03] IIRC, l.a. is about 50% right now, but don't quote me on that [14:03] Dallas is semi-arid! [14:03] i dont believe that alisonken1home [14:03] if la is 50% then dallas is 500% [14:03] alisonken1home: :( its not working,thoug its starting my gkrellm when i did save session ,i doesn't start my effects [14:03] depends on the time of day :) [14:03] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] bandwidth should never be in shortage [14:04] init[3]: interesting - works on my laptop just fine (slackware 13.0-current from last week) [14:04] somebody has to pay for those ma bell links [14:04] hello world [14:04] how about the current fiber, dead or alive.. with new 40gb/100gb tech [14:04] Action: init[3] :( [14:04] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:05] firedix (n=firedix@host41.200-45-35.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] there's a reason why att's and qwest's and stuff fuck you on the pricing, they know if they sell it a little less, everyone will jump on in and they may have to lay more [14:05] still takes a little time to get those gb up [14:05] i think any country without fiber is considered 3rd world, no matter how advanced they are [14:06] and a lot of upfront costs [14:06] and good fiber deployment [14:06] Necos, let them spend the monies they've ripped us off on [14:06] Action: Necos agrees [14:06] No. Third world countries aren't concerned about fiber; they're concerned about food. [14:06] lol [14:06] our council is paying for our area to have network upgrades, will make it the fastest in europe. [14:06] Alan_Hicks, i didn't mean it like that [14:07] not the isp. [14:07] pf.. We're about to replace our laser with fibre.. £900/mo [14:07] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:07] and i meant any non-3rd world country without fiber should be 3rd world [14:07] >$1200/mo [14:07] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] But, fiber should be a part of any complete diet. [14:07] >.> [14:07] like beverly hills without a rolls in the garage is considered 3rd world [14:07] we have FTTH here but service not available yet [14:07] rob0, i second that [14:07] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] we have FTTN [14:08] stupid gay att [14:08] we dont even have FTTC at home :( [14:08] 2 miles of copper [14:08] :( [14:08] alisonken1home, have you seen homes in beverly hills? if you're not north of sunset, you're poor [14:08] lol [14:08] jeev: that's the idea :) [14:08] median income is 90k (supposedly) [14:08] is beverly hills going to burn? I can only hope [14:08] and yes, I lived close to 90210 for a long time [14:08] and vodafone is gonna deploy high speed UMTS soon, they say [14:09] a lot of those homes are old monies [14:09] some of those people dont make a dime [14:09] rob0: Touche! [14:09] don't matter :P [14:09] is true NYC is full of free wifi spots? [14:09] jeev: don't you mean "don't _earn_ a dime" since obviously they have dimes :) [14:10] Alan_Hicks, and we can make it on-topic here by pointing out the benefits of a high-fiber diet to excremental meditation! [14:10] some of them will follow you around and pick the dimes off the ground that fall out of your pocket ;) [14:10] Nigromante: a lot of cities are putting up free hotspots [14:10] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.226.24) joined ##slackware. [14:10] they are forbidden here [14:10] where? [14:10] spain [14:10] why? [14:10] nice chatting, but the pillow calls [14:11] gn ken [14:11] city councils are not allowed telecom providers [14:11] as telecom providers [14:11] rob0: So.... should you thank some one who shits in your Cheerios? :^) [14:11] Nigromante then private ownership? [14:11] lafeyette or whatever is doing it in the US [14:11] yep thats the point [14:11] the city put fiber, 50/50mbit for like 59.99 [14:11] or 75, who knows [14:11] privates can ? [14:11] I deleted the logs, removed the xorg.conf file (a copy of the vesa template) and started X... No luck... Still frozen and, worst, no log at all... [14:11] yes [14:11] all i know is that i wish i could do that and i'd give 8 inches off my penis for that [14:11] then do so pls. [14:11] make isps irrelevent [14:11] we have an interesting regulator... [14:12] lol [14:12] jeev: s/penis/pens/ There. Fixed that for you. [14:12] cute Alan_Hicks! [14:12] hahah [14:12] alisonken1home: can you run kde4-config --localprefix and tell me the result? [14:12] is it ~/.kde smthing? [14:12] After all, everyone knows there's a lot more to a $0.13 Bic than there is to your penis. [14:13] Alan_Hicks: you speak from experience, or so it sounds [14:13] oh SNAP [14:13] Alan_Hicks, even if it were.. as long as i jizz, i never cared about the girl ;) [14:13] or sheep [14:13] or cow [14:13] or barnacles. [14:13] briareus: That's what I heard from some girl named missyjane. ;-) [14:13] init[3]: ~/.kde [14:13] Alan_Hicks: hahaha [14:14] hehe [14:14] fire|bird: hmm, [14:14] init[3]: catch me tonight - I'll be at the office after 1030pm pacific, or catch me in the morning. my laptop is in the car and I'm heading for bed [14:14] good night alisonken1home [14:14] alisonken1home: gn alisonken1home :) [14:14] alisonken1home: you work GY? [14:14] alisonken1home: will catch ya later [14:15] Necos: midnight-8am [14:15] nice! [14:15] hopefully soon to be 10pm-6am [14:15] lets live chat him at night [14:15] that's the gig i need ^.^ [14:15] what you mean you need that [14:15] i can't last anything at night [14:15] and I get to miss the traffic. the only thing I deal with is the road construction :) [14:15] i slep at around 1 or 2 cause i force myself to stay up but shiettttttt [14:15] to finish my degree, i need a GY shift [14:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:16] jeev: "i can't last anything at night" ... Funny.... that's the other thing I heard... [14:16] GY? [14:16] graveyard [14:16] good year [14:16] 3rd shift [14:16] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.17) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:16] last night when I disconnected around 11:10pm...it was bad. [14:16] night shift. [14:16] 8oz of water [14:16] >.> [14:16] into my laptop. [14:17] wtf antiwire? :P [14:17] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [14:17] I had to dismantle the whole thing all the way down to individual parts and let it air dry [14:17] brb, gonna run downstairs and grab some lunch [14:18] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.17) joined ##slackware. [14:18] the "k" key is still acting a little weird so don't think it's me when you see "kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk" [14:18] anyone used truecrypt? [14:18] I always wondered why people write their thoughts in IRC [14:18] I used [14:19] Nigromante: we're alone and need social interaction? [14:19] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] I used truecrypt [14:19] Nigromante: you're so leet you wouldn't understand... [14:19] ah [14:19] or we're thinking about something and would like some comment on it? [14:19] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] Action: Nigromante thinks of it [14:19] Nigromante: what special features does it have? how is it superior? [14:19] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] superior to what? [14:20] to some encrypted filesystem or anything else free [14:20] well, it does not need kernel module and there is windows version too, [14:20] those are the key features [14:20] so one reason was cross-platform compatibility? [14:21] for me yes [14:21] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] it is quite easy to use too [14:21] a friend of mine told me about it and told me he thought about using it but on windows, EFS (encrypted fs) should do it and it's available on all recent windowzzzzz [14:22] Camarade_Tux: it's the only alternative to bitlocker. and opensource alternative to bitlocker is something [14:22] dont know [14:22] Alan_Hicks, weird [14:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:22] well, for individual files you also have gnupg [14:22] also in windows [14:24] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.69) left irc: "leaving" [14:24] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [14:24] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Action: alienBOB uses truecrypt too - also for reason of being cross-platform [14:25] lunchtime! [14:25] :) [14:25] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.78) joined ##slackware. [14:25] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [14:26] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [14:26] considering how manye people here use it, I guess it must be pretty good :) [14:27] mmm [14:27] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:27] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [14:31] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] PCLoadLetter (n=IceChat7@unaffiliated/pcloadletter) left ##slackware. [14:32] Necos [14:32] stop blackberrying me you turd [14:33] No news is good news :) [14:33] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [14:33] no potato peeling is a good day Pig_Pen [14:33] so they said before Pearl Harbour attack, Pig_Pen [14:35] spectre (n=daventry@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [14:36] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:36] lol [14:36] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:36] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] jeev, f'u :P [14:36] it was killing idle time lol [14:37] necos, what do you eat for lunch [14:37] my friend is funny, he's like i want watermelon.. i'm like you have any? [14:37] he's like i'm a black man, of course [14:37] lol [14:38] lol [14:38] i am guessing slackpkg deletes the downloaded package after installing ? [14:38] hhmmmmmmm [14:38] american jokes [14:38] anyone? [14:38] i never got the watermelon joke intill i was 18 and i live in the usa :-( [14:39] i guess Pig_Pen [14:39] hahahahaha [14:39] Pig_Pen: I'm not sure [14:39] he :P [14:39] jeev, cheeseburger :P [14:39] but I'm using a file:/// mirror so I can't say anything [14:40] and tell your friend to send over some watermelon ^.^ [14:40] it may be configurable [14:40] man slackpkg [14:40] we'll settle for this answer: "maybe" :) [14:40] scream for me [14:41] no [14:41] i think it does delete the package after downloading, i just ran ncdu on /var/cache and it was less than a megabyte [14:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:41] well good thing I just happen to have a backup keyboard module for my laptop sitting around [14:42] what happened? [14:42] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [14:42] Camarade_Tux: laptop + 8 oz of water. :) [14:42] v4nelle (n=van@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:43] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7291B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] y0 slackytude [14:43] i dumped a bottle of water into my laptop last night and it shorted out and turned off. After taking the whole thing apart, the only casualty was the keyboard which now sprays random "k" everywhere [14:44] y0 fire|bird [14:44] ._. [14:44] y0 channel [14:44] hows it going [14:44] fire|bird: antiwire must be pretty lucky ;) [14:44] lol [14:44] good evening slackytude :) [14:44] lol [14:44] Pig_Pen: "# If DELALL is "on", all downloaded files will be removed after install." << slackpkg.conf [14:44] I would say so if it's just the keyboard that was a casualty. [14:44] y0 Camarade_Tux [14:44] antiwire: if it didn't kill your whole computer, you should probably play loto :) [14:44] hi channel member [14:45] tried to get slack13 on work pc today [14:45] kinda frustrating [14:45] I thought for sure the whole thing was toast. Water went in and 2 seconds later the system just went "click" [14:45] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-187-91.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] antiwire: Camarade_Tux's right, you better get a lotto ticket. :P [14:45] lunarvalleys: cool nick [14:45] antiwire, heh, lucky [14:45] briareus, thanks [14:45] guys after fresh install of slackware 13.0,on first boot i see on updating gdk-pixbuf.loaders(cannot open shared object file...libpixmap-1.so.0)why? [14:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:46] v4nelle, full install [14:46] v4nelle: because you didn't install pixmap? :) [14:46] ? [14:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [14:46] lol antiwire, I was going to ask you what 'code 60' means, the code you had after you have quit yesterday [14:46] i install A,Ap,D,L,N [14:47] jigp (i=allan@ti500720a080-1406.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:47] SlackWeird: really? hahaha [14:47] alienBOB: any idea if there's plans for 64bit slack t-shirts? [14:47] SlackWeird: apparently it means "dumbass dumped water into this laptop and shorted it out" [14:47] You mean with the 01 00 00 00 ? [14:47] ;) [14:47] alienBOB: yes [14:48] haha [14:48] v4nelle: if you don't install X, you probably don't care about gdk [14:48] like not care *at* *all* [14:48] I love Groundhog day [14:49] best movie ever [14:49] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [14:49] not Lesbian Vampire Killer? :P [14:49] slackytude: no best movie ever was 300 :P [14:49] deco, not even close [14:49] Necos, since im gonna switch out my phone, im gonna try 5.0 [14:49] slackytude: ok than the godfather 1 and 2 :P [14:50] Camarade_Tux, nah, try Revenge of the Surf-Boarding Killer Bikini Vampire Girls [14:50] jurassic park 3 \o/ [14:50] deco, nah [14:50] slackytude: hmmm, I don't have this one, I only have the nakid version, think it'll be ok? :p [14:51] oh sweet [14:51] Camarade_Tux, dont tell that your mushroom friend [14:51] My two word review for Jurassic Park: Shit Park. [14:51] is it backwards compat jeev? [14:51] slackytude: she's not my girlfriend :p [14:52] Camarade_Tux, well, probably because you watch that nakid version instead of spending some quality time with her [14:52] yea actually i dunno if there's a 5.0 OS for tour [14:53] thx guys.... [14:53] slackytude: nah, I've been pwned three years ago for that :) [14:53] Camarade_Tux, heh [14:53] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [14:53] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Drala__ (n=dralafi@host81-155-168-35.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] slackytude: /win 12 [14:54] bah :D [14:54] chopp: Pat had not even thought of that. Who knows... [14:54] Necos: http://forums.crackberry.com/f151/blackberry-os-super-page-274590/ [14:55] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [14:55] lib (n=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: "Leaving." [14:55] lib (n=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:55] Drala__ (n=dralafi@host81-155-168-35.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:55] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:55] alienBOB: alright thanks. I know I'd be all over that one if he did. [14:55] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-155-168-35.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:56] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:57] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:57] I asked this already but Im still not sure how to solve this [14:57] I think I need nvidia driver for work pc, since vesa or nv doesnt cur it [14:57] slackytude: got the t-shirt or the dvd yet? [14:57] slackytude: or nouveau [14:58] slackytude: so why not install the nvidia driver then? [14:58] however the new xorg comes without xorg.cong, so how to enable nvidia driverß [14:58] slackytude: the nvidia driver will take care of enabling itself, you can count on that [14:58] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [14:58] (basically it will create an xorg.conf file with a Driver line) [14:58] alienBOB, wont the xorg.config with the driver "nvidia" line just got ignored? [14:58] slackytude: my xorg.conf has exactly 6 lines [14:58] slackytude: or just Xorg -configure and you will get a xorg.conf sampel and just add nvidia [14:58] sample* [14:58] slackytude: no, if there's one there, it won't be ignored. [14:58] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:59] ah, right [14:59] wonder what I did wrong then [14:59] OK, so I just had my first and only problem in slackware13: A total system lock. Mouse pointer still worked (wireless usb mouse) but X was locked, and keyboard was totally unresponsive. I had to hard reboot. Discomforting. [14:59] so there is a 5.0 [14:59] thx people [14:59] I've *never* had a lock in slackware [14:59] briareus: Alt+SysRq+R and then Ctrl+Alt+F2 [14:59] briareus, next time, do the elepahnt thing [14:59] in case of X lockup [14:59] slackytude: +R would be enough :P [14:59] jigp_ (i=allan@ti500720a080-5024.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:59] I g2g see ya all :) [14:59] Roin (n=florian@p5B2BF87E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "In a world without walls and fences, who needs WINDOWS and GATES?" [14:59] Camarade_Tux, probably [15:00] Camarade_Tux: SysRq? [15:00] briareus: Print Screen key [15:00] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:00] alt prinstscreen r ...never heard of that. ok. [15:00] briareus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [15:00] its magic [15:00] briareus: talks directly to the kernel and does a few special things [15:00] briareus: in console, try Alt+SysRq+h [15:01] slackytude: run "nvidia-xconfig" to obtain a full xorg.conf or just use http://pastebin.ca/1551799 [15:02] alienBOB, I shall ^-^ thx again [15:02] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [15:02] oh jeev, did you get a screen protector for your tour? [15:02] Necos, buggy and shit [15:02] no i dont use screen protectors [15:02] i wont use 5.0 till it's out of beta [15:02] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:03] lol it's so sad... after all that work to compile kde 4.3, i can't use kontact with the BB [15:03] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Necos: hahahaha, all that work and it doesn't work? [15:03] opensync doesn't support akonadi yet [15:04] so it can't sync [15:04] alienBOB: that HAL magic about not using xorg.conf anymore, is a kernel or slackware13 particular feature? [15:04] Xorg feature [15:04] SlackWeird: if it weren't upstream, it wouldn't be in slackware :P [15:05] SlackWeird: hal, dbus, kernel and xorg all work together on that [15:05] us patent office will not accept any more patents on software [15:05] slackytude: \o/ ? [15:05] SlackWeird, its a xorg feature ^-^ [15:05] Camarade_Tux, Id say so, yes [15:05] DavidVWallin (n=david@c83-250-143-45.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:05] really slackytude, why won't they accept patents on new software? [15:06] Necos: and when it happens for us to dump what would xorg.conf be like, what do we do? [15:06] wonder if that will help MS [15:06] Hi, i just installed slackware 13.0 but i'm having some trouble with keyboard-layouts under X [15:06] slackytude: \o/ [15:06] corte, are you kidding [15:06] lol someone didn't get a joke [15:06] overloaded with requests i guess [15:06] i've set it XkbLayout to sv in xorg.conf but it still uses the us layout [15:06] oh [15:06] yeah i'm naive sorry :) [15:06] slackytude: now we just need it to drop all patents that have already been accepted [15:06] corte: :P [15:06] s/drop/revoke [15:06] / [15:06] DavidVWallin: keyboard layout is now handled differntly [15:07] alienBOB: oh? where do i set it nowadays? [15:07] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-polzwvpyyjsdxqup) joined ##slackware. [15:07] I haven't really used Slackware since back in '99 - '00 [15:07] SlackWeird, good question. I guess the xorg log [15:07] wasn't even xorg then :P [15:07] DavidVWallin: read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [15:07] ./topic [15:08] Look for the section that starts with "If you need to use a non-US keyboard layout" [15:08] damn :P [15:08] alienBOB: Thanks mate [15:08] v4nelle (n=van@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] alienBOB:and how do you check your actuall X configuration... as in when it happens for us to dump what would xorg.conf be like, what do we do? [15:08] SlackWeird: btw, link? [15:09] Camarade_Tux: pardon? [15:09] SlackWeird: tab-fail :) [15:09] slackytude: link? [15:09] :P [15:09] Camarade_Tux, got it only in german [15:10] slackytude: I can nearly read german :P [15:10] http://www.heise.de/newsticker/US-Patentamt-vergibt-vorerst-keine-reinen-Softwarepatente-mehr--/meldung/144681 [15:10] Nick change: Tktech -> tyler [15:10] ugh... busy busy around here [15:11] hrm, anyone have an idea about what "defconfig has changed, please remove or edit .config" could mean when attempting to compile klibc for a 2.6.30.4 kernel? i tried removing .config, to no avail. [15:11] alienBOB: something in the installer to set the keyboard layout would be really really nice now, the paths are so complicated you have to tab ten times between apps to set your keyboard layout =/ [15:11] Nick change: tyler -> Guest44299 [15:11] Nick change: Guest44299 -> TkTech [15:11] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:11] hrm [15:11] I had a german layout in kde without messing with hal [15:11] wonder why [15:11] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:12] I hope it will be a quiet day at work tomorrow. need to play with my slack [15:12] Camarade_Tux: ? [15:12] altho, right now I wouldnt mind win7 on my machine either [15:13] You can select an alternative keyboard layout for the duration of the installation [15:13] alienBOB: but not for X and now it's pretty annoying to set up imho (I'm not using kde) [15:13] alienBOB, I guess he means telling the setup to copy the HAL stuff for X [15:13] slackytude: yes [15:14] Camarade_Tux: openbox? :) [15:14] Camarade_Tux: hmm [15:15] Necos: hehe, yes :P [15:16] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [15:16] Bassist (n=bass@mnch-5d855afb.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [15:16] slackytude, bah, windows vista sp2 > windows 7. i've had so many intermittent problems with windows 7, like page timeouts & missed keystroeks in IE & issues with my RSS feeds. not to mention, i had a couple times where my desktop was completely inaccessible without using windows explorer! [15:16] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-197-61.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:16] corte, really? on what machine? Ive been really impressed with it so far [15:16] Hey all, trying to build the pulseaudio Slackbuild, but get an error saying: "configure: error: Unable to find libltdl." [15:16] it's OK, perhaps hal will be completely depcriated by then :) [15:16] I have libtool installed [15:17] Any idea where the problem is? [15:17] Bassist: it may want libtool2 [15:17] slackware is still on libtool1 [15:17] today windows 7 spent two minutes doing I/O with almost everything blocked meanwhile :) [15:17] thrice`: Oh ok, I'll search for that then. Thanks! [15:17] Bassist: I thought pulse-audio is on slackbuilds.org? [15:18] Yes, I'm using that, but for the latest version [15:18] slackytude, it was a newer dell optiplex that far exceeded system requirements. my first install was an upgrade from vista (ha), which completely trashed the system. many issues still persisted in a clean install, though [15:18] corte, we run it on a dell optiplex as well, heh [15:18] this was literally right after RTM was released, so maybe some patches cleaned up the system a bit [15:18] only dell stuff at work. linux on dell is no fun [15:18] thrice`: 0.9.10 is too old, so I just modified the file and have a newest source [15:18] corte, also, use the RTM [15:18] ah; newer stuff might need libtool2 [15:19] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] corte, I shall see how win7 keeps up. Its great so far [15:19] thrice`: Downloading now.. I guess that should do the trick. Thanks again! [15:19] Bassist: I'd hesitate updating libtool - it's a pretty critical system component :) [15:19] hmm, all of my work boxes are dells and i haven't had the first linux issue :) [15:19] hopefully you'll have better luck than me, slackytude :) [15:20] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-225-211.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] thrice`: I haven't got much to lose :) [15:20] i had a problem where my sata drives weren't detected by knoppix on a dell, that's about it [15:20] mag0o, really? slack12.1 on the dell SATA stuff was evil. ran without DMA on my harddisk for weeks [15:20] thrice`: Still getting back into Slackware after 2 years of 'buntu [15:21] now, I switched to SATA on the dell and slack13 works nice but I killed the win dualboot with it [15:21] sigh [15:21] Bassist: ah, ok :) gentoo is a good resource, as they are on libtool 1 too (you might be able to find the pulse audio port and snag a patch) [15:21] got a gx260 sitting here that "just works" with 12.2 and another (bigger box, forget the model) that just works with 12.1 [15:21] mag0o, dell presicion and optiplex is what we have [15:22] i think my big one is a precision [15:22] I thought this release was going to be called Slackware Linux 13: Jason's Return. [15:22] yeah, precision 670 [15:22] heh, precision 370 ^-^ [15:22] I'm out. G'night all [15:22] gn Bassist [15:23] How strange that it is not. [15:23] i couldn't tell you the difference, besides the fact i know mine is at least 3 years old [15:23] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] Bassist (n=bass@mnch-5d855afb.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Leaving" [15:23] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] hehe, my virtualbox 13.0 just cought up with my laptop on a kdebase-workspace compile [15:23] Im not that hip with dell stuff either. but sounds like the right time frame. our is probably 3 1/2 to 4 years or so [15:24] the laptop was at 35% before i even fired up the vm [15:24] jeev, you can backup your BB Messenger contacts [15:24] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] http://forums.crackberry.com/f141/dm-update-erased-my-bbm-contacts-302456/ [15:24] i didnt know [15:25] i found a patch for kdebase-workspace that looks like it may correct my build issues with kdebluetooth4 [15:25] gonna give it a shot [15:25] moks107 (n=shim@82.194.40.243) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:26] i was curious to know if you could (and this guy had the same problem we were talking about) [15:26] The fvwm being shipped with slackware 13, is that the old one? [15:27] i heard people talking about the fvwm in 12.2 being depricated [15:28] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-223-47-29.aep.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] DigiAngel (n=me@ns1.slave-tothe-box.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] alienBOB: is there something wrong with the syntex of this exclude.txt? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/YEAaFK26.html [15:28] Ladies and gents [15:29] Anyone here proficient at putting slack on a mac mini? Having an issue with setup recognizing /dev/sda [15:29] DigiAngel: did you partition /dev/sda ? [15:29] I did :) After mknodding the /dev/sda1,2,3, and 4 [15:30] mm, you shouldn't have needed to do that :( [15:30] I did with slack 13 [15:30] i have 10.5.7 running on kvm pretty smooth so far [15:30] sda was there and 1, but 2-4 were absent [15:30] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] Guess I'll try again and maybe mount 3 and see what happens [15:32] chopp: having problems with that line? [15:32] nkkmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [15:32] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [15:32] /////////////// [15:32] so yeah, i'll be backing up my BBM list on a regular basis now :P [15:32] DigiAngel: you shouldn't mount anything, either; slackware's setup will find partitions on the disk [15:32] Hrmm....I should try again then..doing so now ;) [15:33] BBM : big black men list ? [15:33] BlackBerry Messenger [15:34] xsamurai, that's only for thrice` [15:34] o that makes more sense, confused it with BBM on craigslist ads [15:35] konadr (n=Rodyon@unaffiliated/konadr) joined ##slackware. [15:35] alienBOB: I had tried it quite awhile back, and it wasn't working right, so I quit adding -X to my crontab entry. Now I'm trying it again. I guess I'll have to wait for an update to test it again. [15:35] parted shows the partitions...1-4 3 being ext3 linux, 4 being linux-swap swap [15:36] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [15:36] chopp: add "-f" as a parameter, to force it [15:36] Yep...no linux partitions detected [15:36] hi all! I just installed slackware 13 on my dell laptop and am running x in vesa mode, however when I log out of KDE or alt+ctl+fX to another terminal X goes blank and I have no control over the box, is there any common reason for this? It's quite annoying [15:37] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A73489.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] konadr, it gets very dim, and you can't read any text when it goes back to console? [15:38] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:38] nah Necos it's more like that black splash you sometimes get when the OS is detecting the card. Its a bright LCD but no text or anything at all [15:39] it's an inspiron 1100, quite old, but KDE seems to work fine on it [15:39] that's what i get :P [15:39] :) [15:39] oooh jeev [15:39] DigiAngel: well, does "fdisk -l" show them ? [15:40] fdisk no workie with guid scheme, so I'm stuck with parted [15:40] konadr: Do you even have another console available? [15:40] Which does the job I guess :D [15:40] alienBOB: ok apparently it's not right. It rsync'd pasture/, source/, testing/, kde, and kdei again. [15:40] samuelig (n=samuelig@243.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:41] DigiAngel wha hapd? [15:41] no mr_patterson, it won't let me switch to any more, all of them seem to follow with the bright LCD and nothing else. I guess I can try to SSH into it once I get the wireless working [15:41] Quiznos: try to use normal english please [15:41] DigiAngel did you try usr/bin/sfdisk? [15:41] I can even mount /dev/sda3 to /mount/bleh...see lost+found and everything, but eh [15:41] Lemme try that one [15:42] DigiAngel usr/bin/sfdisk -h first; it's sh-less [15:42] chopp: I have an exclude.conf, to which I just list out "source/, testing/" etc. on separate lines, and point rsync at it [15:42] figabo (n=Slacker@187.149.20.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:43] Imma boot into OS X, do a disk check, then try again [15:43] k [15:43] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Thankis :) [15:43] yw [15:43] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:44] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-187-91.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:45] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] join #desmume [15:45] oops [15:45] sorry [15:45] forgot the / [15:45] haha [15:45] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:45] ahmed-araby (n=ahmed-ar@fedora/ahmed-araby) joined ##slackware. [15:45] ron1n (n=ron1n@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:45] fatalnix fail :) [15:45] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7291B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:45] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [15:45] ahmed-araby (n=ahmed-ar@fedora/ahmed-araby) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:46] thrice`: mind if I have a peek at that? [15:46] lol [15:46] lol ewwwwwwww [15:47] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:47] hahahaha [15:47] titopoquito (n=tito@p508ECE76.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.66.117) joined ##slackware. [15:48] that is pretty close to noobfarm material [15:49] Like |-| <----that close? :P [15:49] fire|bird: your **** is shaped like that? :o [15:50] haha [15:50] his asshole is off-center :P [15:51] LoL [15:51] hahahahahaha [15:51] Camarade_Tux: I'm not that flexible, how would I know? :P [15:51] lol [15:52] Action: Necos gives fire|bird a case of beer [15:52] fire|bird: you seem to be somebody weird... [15:52] i'm sorry, that was too easy... you deserve an award :P [15:52] \o/ [15:52] Camarade_Tux: I'm weird? Thanks. :) [15:52] I'll take it, it's better than somebody psycho. :) [15:52] hahaha [15:52] That looks center ---> \o/ [15:53] fire|bird: no, not weird, only weirdly-shaped ;) [15:53] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:53] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:53] mr_patterson: yeah, but the cheeks are slanted. :P [15:53] fluxbox with border less terminals :D [15:53] Camarade_Tux: lol [15:53] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.69.75) joined ##slackware. [15:53] deco: = AWESOME :D [15:54] fire|bird: lol [15:54] fire|bird: plus transperant aterm :D [15:54] deco: Have you seen briareus's desktop, man has he got a nice setup. [15:54] transparent borderless terms, etc. looks amazing [15:54] lol [15:54] fire|bird: no i have not do you have a link to a screen shot ? [15:55] deco: no, I don't have those still. [15:55] briareus: you around? [15:55] fire|bird: ah :P [15:55] Necos: So, now that you have built kde4 and it didn't do what you wanted, how do you feel? :P [15:57] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-225-211.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:58] Action: deco peeks at fluxbox.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php [15:58] fire|bird, opera10 is nice ^-^ [15:59] deco: you seen tenr.de yet? [15:59] fire|bird: no is it a screen shot gallery ? [15:59] slackytude|evil: yeah, it sure is. http://my.opera.com/community/blog/2009/09/01/opera-10-launch <---check out the prize. [15:59] deco: It's the site of a guy that makes a bunch of fluxbox styles to use. [15:59] customize.org/fluxbox [15:59] nice ones there too [15:59] fire|bird: oh nice, ill check it out [16:00] mag0o: thanks [16:00] you're welcome [16:00] slackytude|evil: when you have |evil added, are you acting evil or are you fused with evil james ? [16:01] :P [16:01] deco, fusing..with...eviljames? [16:01] .... [16:01] you have a sick mind [16:01] lol [16:01] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:01] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) left irc: No route to host [16:01] I need to shower [16:01] x1user (n=null@2002:d44b:e2a:a:214:78ff:fe03:31c9) joined ##slackware. [16:01] lol [16:02] slackytude|evil: what deco said left ya feeling unclean? :P [16:02] somewhat [16:02] lol [16:02] slackytude|evil: use the good soap [16:03] hey fire|bird, slackytude|evil :) [16:03] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Welp...no go [16:03] y0 lf4 [16:03] y0 lf4 [16:03] Looks like the default sda devices in /dev are part of the issue [16:03] How's everything going? [16:03] Ah well...I really don't wanna put Ubuntu on that mini :( [16:03] is anyone able to get true fullscreen to work in flash like youtube [16:04] lf4: all is great here, you? [16:04] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] Thanks for the assist all..enjoy the day :) [16:04] I'm out [16:04] DigiAngel (n=me@ns1.slave-tothe-box.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:04] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] gonzalo (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [16:04] fire|bird: Good to hear, I just woke up so we'll see how today goes. :) [16:05] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.30.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Action: fire|bird hands lf4 a cup of coffee. :) [16:05] HoldMyPocket: you can't ? are you using an nvidia card ? [16:05] fire|bird: i feel like i'm going to kill KDE :) [16:05] lol [16:05] it's of no use to me anymore [16:06] removepkg /var/log/packages/*kde* [16:06] :D [16:06] / [16:06] kde isn't good in 13? [16:06] Necos: use fluxbox :P [16:06] no, it doesn't do what i want [16:06] deco: i'm using an nvidia card, i disabled hardware acceleration as i read that helps (now i can't re enable it) [16:06] kde4 is really nice [16:06] HoldMyPocket: yeah, you can't reenable it [16:06] Action: Camarade_Tux bets HoldMyPocket is talking about flash [16:06] deco: when I do full screen it makes it just makes the screen black with the video in the middle.. maybe a little bigger but doesnt fill the screen [16:06] HoldMyPocket: oh than i can't help because disabling hardware acceleration did the trick for me [16:06] lf4, how was work? [16:06] Camarade_Tux: yep lol [16:07] fire|bird: lol thanks but don't drink coffee. [16:07] lol greaaaat [16:07] still not fixed [16:07] lf4: haha [16:07] HoldMyPocket: which video driver? [16:07] oh well.. at least i can do fullscreen and not crash my firefox [16:07] slackytude|evil: It was nice :) [16:07] camarade_tux: the latest from nvidia [16:07] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:07] lf4, so, no burning servers or stuff? thats good [16:07] i use openbox with tint2... i don't have a need for a DE [16:07] HoldMyPocket: tried different video and it never fills the screen? [16:07] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] slackytude|evil: Nope servers were all doing well by the reports and graphs. [16:07] if my flash doesn't lose sound in about an hour or two, or begin to studder and distort.. i'll be happy [16:07] and the only reason i compiled kde4 was for kontact [16:07] Necos: openbox is nice :) but i like having a system tray :P [16:08] look up tint2 dingdong :P [16:08] Camarade_Tux: nope never fills it [16:08] deco, there are for openbox [16:08] someone using x64? [16:08] gonzalo, half the channel? [16:08] gonzalo: yes [16:08] gonzalo: no one is. [16:08] slackytude|evil: your nick is too long btw :D [16:08] real performance advantage? [16:08] it's slightly bigger, but doesnt fill the screen [16:08] gonzalo: depends on the app [16:08] slackytude|evil: thanks [16:09] becouse i installed 32 in order to dont have problems [16:09] http://code.google.com/p/tint2/ <--- there [16:09] HoldMyPocket: what yours card model? [16:09] lol Camarade_Tux ... picky [16:09] yea, but using desktop there isnt any [16:09] HoldMyPocket: video card [16:09] on server? [16:09] SlackWeird: nvidia 8400 [16:09] btw, squirrelfish (extreme)/nitro/webkit's js is muuuuuuch faster on x64 :) [16:09] Necos: wow it looks awesome [16:09] HoldMyPocket: r u on slackware 13? [16:09] lf4: true ;) [16:09] SlackWeird: yes [16:09] where is the slackware firmware dir [16:10] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.66.117) left irc: Connection timed out [16:10] deco, exactly [16:10] :P [16:10] x1user: /lib/firmware [16:10] so KDE is not needed for me [16:10] Necos: might give openbox a try again :P [16:11] haha [16:11] but so far fluxbox has been good for me [16:11] deco: Also, try pekwm :D [16:11] i love fluxbox [16:11] I dont like the new xfce much [16:11] fluxbox is ok, i suppose [16:12] slackytude|evil: Whats wrong with it? [16:12] fluxbox is great once you get used to it [16:12] fire|bird: yeah ive heard about it but heard it's hard to customize too :P [16:12] but i've been using openbox for years :) [16:12] you only have to customize it once [16:12] is there a list of hashes for every package in a mirror going as far back as possible? [16:12] then save your config files [16:12] Necos: What's openbox have that flux doesn't? [16:12] lf4, I really liked the idea that you could click anywhere and see the same menu as when you would click on the mouse icon [16:12] Necos: can you make some apps always have border-less windows like on fluxbox ? [16:12] like flix [16:12] flux [16:12] i could ask the same question in reverse, and the answer is the same: nothing [16:12] lol [16:12] i have mine set up so if i hold alt and scroll anywhere it switches workspaces [16:12] i just like my xft fonts :P [16:12] i've installed compactwireless, and i can see anymore wlan0 in ifconfig =/ [16:13] windows key pulls up the start menu [16:13] cant see i mean [16:13] its freakin awesome [16:13] fire|bird: you can right-click on a window and make it border-less :P on openbox [16:13] fire|bird: openbox isn't ugly ! [16:13] s/ !// [16:13] slackytude|evil: lol did they get rid of that in the new xfce? [16:13] deco: is openbox basically fluxbox with more features? [16:13] deco: really? dang. :P [16:13] no, not more features I think [16:13] Camarade_Tux: lol, I know. :) [16:13] HoldMyPocket what's in your pocket? [16:13] hmmm [16:13] lf4, yeah, get a desktop menu now and your apps is a subpane of that [16:13] HoldMyPocket: well just the righ-click menu on windows.... [16:14] right click-> Undecorate [16:14] borderless [16:14] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Necos: yep :D [16:14] Quiznos: I call it a horny maker [16:14] lol [16:14] Necos: awesome, I didn't know that. flux doesn't have that. :) [16:14] Quiznos: that recalls prison break series [16:14] lol i never use it, 'cause i like to move my windows [16:14] ok [16:14] slackytude|evil: aww eww. [16:14] but i can always use a keybinding to move windows if i want [16:14] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) joined ##slackware. [16:14] fire|bird: yeah just like kde :P [16:15] hey fire|bird, you have libsndfile by chance? [16:15] Necos: duh, Alt, click window, move. :D [16:15] Necos: yeah, I do. [16:15] what version of sqlite3? [16:15] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.122.236) joined ##slackware. [16:16] lol i think i'm gonna turn off my decorations :P [16:16] Action: mag0o crosses fingers [16:16] grrrr can't resist temptation going to try openbox again lol [16:16] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:16] hopefully the patched kdebase-workspace will let me build kdebluetooth4 now [16:16] http://imgur.com/oo4jE.jpg wow, squirells are getting agressive (rated G) [16:16] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [16:17] Necos: 3.6.14.2 [16:17] is there a list of hashes for every package in a mirror going as far back as possible? [16:17] So, just a general question: from an everyday user's perspective, does x86_64 behave roughly the same as x86? (I'm thinking about switching to the former.) [16:17] fire|bird: hmmm, you have to try openbox before judging :P [16:17] mr_patterson: doesnt really matter [16:17] Camarade_Tux: I'm going to. :) I wasn't really judging. :P [16:17] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] mr_patterson: i don't know about slackware, but in BSD the answer was yes [16:18] mr_patterson, as long as you dont use flash ^-^ [16:18] damn it i forgot openbox doesn't come with slackware lol [16:18] lol [16:18] deco, its on sbo [16:18] slackytude|evil: yeah [16:18] slackytude|evil: Oh, okay -- flash is a problem. [16:18] yay, got past my crash point [16:18] I don't have any trouble with flash on slack64 [16:18] hmmm... where'd you build that from fire|bird? [16:19] Nick change: gonzalo -> acidtripper [16:19] Necos: SBo [16:19] Natenom (n=Natenom@port-92-197-154-48.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: "Leaving" [16:19] get 3.4.7.2 btw deco [16:19] fire|bird: i don't see a slackbuild for it on 13 [16:19] spook: Can you be more precise? [16:19] nooblord (n=hss@78.181.81.253) joined ##slackware. [16:19] back in the day our web payment gateway required proprietary 32-bit client software [16:19] Necos: I've had libsndfile for a while, since I was using current. 12.2 should have it and should work iirc. [16:20] since then they have seen the light [16:20] Installing openbox now. :D [16:20] lol [16:20] hi can i use dropline gnome with slack13 ? [16:21] fire|bird: libsndfile slackbuild? [16:21] pi31415: Yeah, I'm running Slackware x86 now -- thinking about x86_64. [16:21] mr_patterson: no [16:21] Necos: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=libsndfile&sv=12.2 [16:21] samuelig (n=samuelig@243.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:21] urgh, i meant sqlite >.> [16:21] mr_patterson: slack64 has been great for me. [16:22] Necos: I don't have that, it's part of slack. I'm not sure what dir that one is in. [16:22] fire|bird: :) [16:22] fire|bird: don't hesitate to ask me anything :) [16:22] omnipotentduo: I have no doubt that it's great. :D Was wondering how it fares with the x86 version. [16:22] Camarade_Tux: remember the last time I tried openbox, I had some issues with it. I'm hoping it'll be fine now. [16:22] Camarade_Tux: ok, thanks. :) [16:22] mr_patterson: i refuse [16:23] spook: What if I beat you in a game of rock, paper, scissors? [16:23] fire|bird: /me can't remember =/ [16:23] i have Mountain. i beat you all [16:23] Camarade_Tux: I can. :) [16:24] Camarade_Tux: I think, with your help, I did get it fixed though. :P [16:24] Montain, planet, star, galazy, quasar, black hole. I win!! [16:24] nooblord (n=hss@78.181.81.253) left irc: Client Quit [16:24] you missed moons beavis [16:24] fire|bird: maybe :P [16:24] konadr (n=Rodyon@unaffiliated/konadr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:24] mr_patterson: i refuse to play [16:24] I think I remember watching a porno called "The Black Hole" [16:25] No, you lost way back when you mispelled galaxy [16:25] not large enuf [16:25] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) joined ##slackware. [16:25] spelinks are figers of speach [16:25] speech [16:25] And again when you mispelled enough. Are you even trying? [16:25] no :) [16:25] i just thank god i cant tawk this way. [16:25] lol [16:25] Alan_Hicks: He's Quiznos, he never tries. :/ [16:25] i ooze [16:25] No wonder most people prefer Subway. [16:26] masterful and funi [16:26] heh [16:26] Alan_Hicks: :P ++ [16:26] pff poor praise [16:26] Poor "praise" was entirely intentional on my part. [16:26] subway is overrated [16:26] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [16:27] x1user (n=null@2002:d44b:e2a:a:214:78ff:fe03:31c9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] The sub sauce is so good. :D [16:27] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [16:27] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Cyberlover (n=DepecheM@adsl190-28-142-96.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [16:27] hello [16:28] ScaN (n=X@201.252.61.26) joined ##slackware. [16:28] hi [16:28] hola [16:28] Ahoj [16:29] has anyone seen the clone wars the cartoon? [16:29] robotchicken? [16:29] i have the kernel panic that cannot mount root [16:29] nop [16:29] Cyberlover, ??? [16:29] its awesome, its computer generated. [16:29] Camarade_Tux: alright, openbox installed. [16:29] more information [16:30] my 100g partition is full [16:30] 110 [16:30] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." [16:30] a kernel error [16:30] Quiznos: rm -r /porn [16:30] Cyberlover, did you recently setup lilo with the generic kernel or something? [16:30] damn sqlite isn't in slackware :P [16:30] that's separate [16:30] rm -rf /pron :P [16:30] haha [16:30] xD [16:30] yeah, but there's not a slackbuild for 13 [16:31] lol a sbo? [16:31] that's rich [16:31] Necos: it's IN 13 [16:31] Necos, annales you [16:31] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Alright, using openbox now. :P [16:31] WindowMaker !!! [16:32] Quiznos was saying "that's separate", and i was like wtf? 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[16:34] Necos: obviously 64-bit and 32-bit provide the same packages [16:34] i built qt338 && kde-3.5.10 for slack-13, i just dont like kde4 = the eyecandy does not justify the buggieness [16:34] portia: checkinstall is run after you configure and build the source (and it doesn't always work either) [16:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) left irc: Connection timed out [16:35] antiwire: ok, src2pkg creates a slack package for easier pkg management. Am I correct? [16:35] it works pretty well [16:35] I had troubles with it on slackware64 last month though [16:35] Necos: Camarade_Tux: What's the key binding to get a run dialog box? [16:36] fire|bird: you don't :D [16:36] fire|bird: it's a WM :P [16:36] Camarade_Tux: I do in fluxbox and pekwm [16:36] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:36] wm's can have a run dialog :) [16:37] vbatts: I think you're missing oxygen-icons-4.3.1, fwiw [16:37] exactly, and fluxbox and pekwm DO have one. :) [16:37] fire|bird: but it's not really a wm task, and it's also something I don't use (I have a term opened or I start one) [16:37] slackytude|foo (n=slacky@p54A73489.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] in doubt, try #openbox on irc.oftc.net -_- [16:37] omnipotentduo, what clone wars cartoon? [16:37] :win 12 [16:37] bah [16:38] clone wars was better than the movies [16:38] slackytude|foo: the star wars clone wars, its better than the prquals [16:38] prequels* [16:38] yes, that what I said [16:39] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] slackytude|foo: i was agreeing [16:39] thrice`: yeah, oxygen icons aren't there, but the 4.3.0 package works, it's just the icons. [16:39] right [16:39] CeruleanC (n=Cerulean@unaffiliated/ceruleanc) left irc: "If you hold a Unix shell to your ear you can hear the C" [16:40] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:40] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [16:40] Necos if you'd been here for the past week you'd have read how my fs is laid out already and known about my Archive/ [16:40] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Necos, yeah, you better remeber Quiznos FS layout [16:40] there may be tests next week [16:41] slackytude|foo when did you get the foo tag? [16:41] on a mission? [16:41] i think he may have been promoted [16:41] nah, Im the replacement for slackytude|evil [16:41] ah [16:41] person (n=ed@92.20.207.242) left ##slackware. [16:41] or, he has been spending too much time in the gentoo forums [16:41] i'd use the `fu' tag [16:42] but since i'm already food and everyone likes me... [16:42] HEY! I'M ENTITLED TO MY OWN! DELUSIONS -- LIMMEE ALONE! [16:42] i'm edible. [16:43] i like quiznos buns [16:43] their hotter and harder then subway [16:43] not touching that one [16:43] there [16:43] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] and specially the secret sauce [16:43] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] its mouth watering [16:44] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) [16:44] I see [16:44] right on schedule [16:44] herm... [16:44] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.69.75) left irc: Connection timed out [16:45] xsamurai: they're [16:45] wow... i think i opened this window at the wrong time. [16:45] too bad [16:45] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A73489.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:45] yay evil has left us!!! [16:45] Quiznos: ummm, yeah, i heard about it... i just haven't paid much attention to it [16:46] lol [16:46] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A73489.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] huh? wth are you on? [16:46] antiwire: thanks , typo'd twice [16:46] share damit [16:46] thrice`: what package set is it in? sqlite [16:46] Necos, tried slackpkg search? [16:46] Necos, or greping /var/log/packages [16:47] grep this! [16:47] alicephilippa (i=alice@88.128.95.159) joined ##slackware. [16:47] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:48] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] slackytude|foo (n=slacky@p54A73489.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:48] Master-Passeli (n=joni@e83-245-149-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: "jos kuitenkin unille / good night" [16:49] if a user has been set a shell of /bin/false and you su said_user, that won't work will it? [16:50] try it [16:50] a su might work [16:50] a su - shouldnt [16:50] i have. It didn't seem to. [16:50] su mysql to be specific. [16:50] there you go, you answered yourself [16:50] but .... [16:50] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] http://slackwiki.org/MySQL_Configuration [16:51] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [16:51] i think you can specify with -u username to the mysql scripts now [16:51] its been a while since i did it though [16:51] as root you can su to mysql, it works fine for me [16:51] jon, answer, if your shell is /bin/false you won't be able to su or su- [16:51] jonsmith1982, thats pretty old way [16:52] jonsmith1982, mysql_install_db --user=mysql [16:52] I've used that method before but, as slackytude|evil says, a while ago [16:52] hmm, thanks. [16:52] damn MSG part of lunch today [16:52] i'm dehydrated [16:52] then do chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql [16:52] MSG is almost always part of your lunch [16:53] not mine [16:53] after you do the installdb [16:53] jonsmith1982, check /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [16:53] it's rare; when i eat out [16:53] eat some more subs quiz [16:53] :D [16:53] i'm not a big out-eater [16:53] but you like Quizno's right? [16:53] never been there actually :) [16:53] i'm not a shill [16:53] I guess it depends on what I'm eating out really [16:53] serious!? [16:53] yep [16:54] no wonder you didnt get it when I changed my nick to subway [16:54] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-86-0-120-130.nrth.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] sure i did [16:54] antiwire: tuna taco sandwich? ;) [16:54] ah, alright [16:54] lol [16:54] at least someone got that [16:54] antiwire: i don't know how.. i am running on empty. I haven't ate a single freaking thing today.. [16:54] I like eating out.... [16:54] well, night everyone :) [16:54] licking the axe gash? [16:55] antiwire: LOL [16:55] antiwire: never heard it called that, but now that you mention it...It does look like that. [16:55] hahaha [16:55] antiwire: and it does occasionally bleed.... so it could be. [16:55] gn Camarade_Tux [16:56] sbopkg doesnt integrate well into a slack.Mirrored on local hd [16:56] occasionally = monthly? [16:56] figabo (n=Slacker@187.149.20.8) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [16:57] hmmm fftw? [16:57] I want to stick my axe back in your wound.. I'm going to see if that goes over well with the wife. [16:57] lol [16:58] kik,' [16:58] so not going to go well [16:58] hrmmm... [16:58] kcddb... [16:58] where the hell is that? lol [16:59] kde4multimedia... that's where... [16:59] what filesystems are dvds? udf ? or isofs ? [16:59] iso usually [17:00] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.226.24) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:00] theres like 2 iso standards [17:00] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-52-217.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] unless it's dvd video, then i believe it's udf [17:00] joliet and something else [17:00] rockridge? [17:00] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:01] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [17:01] data dvd is iso9660 [17:01] i keep getting "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" [17:01] Romerio and Joliet are the two, I believe. [17:01] greetings [17:01] joliet, rr, udf are non-iso9660 standard filename extensions [17:01] even when i do mount /dev/sr1 -t udf /dvd [17:01] or -t isofs [17:01] negatory [17:02] mount -t iso9660 /dev/dvd /path/to/mount [17:02] ok, thanks, hope that works [17:02] im using xfce...but when i was in kde,i changed the qt-style to something and something went wrong..is there a way to open the kde-settings in xfce..or fixed it somehow? [17:02] mounting an iso? [17:02] that did it :D [17:02] slackware-13 dvd [17:02] I cannot find any good way of getting a BCM4312 -card to work without ndiswrapper, anyone got any ideas? [17:02] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [17:02] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-86-0-120-130.nrth.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:02] The-Croupier: Delete your KDE preferences? [17:03] mr_patterson: how? [17:03] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-86-0-120-130.nrth.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] The-Croupier: rm -f ~/.kde [17:03] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.122.236) joined ##slackware. [17:03] and .config too [17:03] David, find out if b43 supports your card, go check the b43 site [17:03] :(, mr_patterson you sure? [17:04] and maybe .local [17:04] back it all up first [17:04] is there a site that i can elink then use mplayer to view easily? [17:04] The-Croupier: backup ~/.{kde,config,local} and then delete them [17:04] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:05] mancha: b43-firmware, b43-fwcutter or b43legacy-firmware? [17:05] antiwire: which config,local are we talking about? in what folder? [17:05] I just showed you [17:05] in ~ [17:05] .kde, .config and .local [17:05] sorry ok [17:05] David, the b43 site has a flowchart approach to figuring out what you need based on your kernel and your card model [17:05] mancha: aaah, thanks [17:05] read it carefully [17:06] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.78) left irc: "Leaving." [17:07] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-86-0-120-130.nrth.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] nom nom nom http://imagebin.org/62217 i like pie charts [17:07] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-86-0-120-130.nrth.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] I like pie [17:07] but the cake is a lie [17:08] hugleo (n=hugleo@unaffiliated/hugleo) joined ##slackware. [17:08] hi [17:08] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) left irc: "Leaving" [17:08] hi hugleo [17:09] the cake IS a lie [17:09] I'm using openchrome with xorg driver, but if I enable OPTION "NoAccel" my wm don't work. Can you help? [17:09] don't enable it [17:09] cake? did someone mention cake? [17:10] The-Croupier: ! [17:10] err, thrice` ! [17:10] Action: slackytude|evil -> sleep [17:10] interesting dep here, mplayer depends on libsmbclient [17:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__PU5CVSegg here is some Cake that is fairly good [17:12] mancha, Buy is slow :) [17:12] flicker [17:12] ScaN (n=X@201.252.61.26) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:13] how does enabling no acceleration going to help speed things up? [17:13] s/does/will [17:13] i know there is some crazy shit going on with Linux lately, makes me start looking at BSD as an alternative [17:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:13] thrice`: fixed, i didn't cp it from /tmp, so it didn't get rsync'd, its there now [17:14] mancha, hmm [17:14] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:15] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:16] how can one check if two folders have the same/identical content in ? [17:16] mancha, from home I'm using VESA due INTEL broken drivers :) [17:16] man diff shows that it can do files, not folders so far at least [17:16] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:17] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: "Leaving" [17:18] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.30.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:18] mancha, not is so slow except full screen youtube movies :) [17:18] time to check this [17:18] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [17:20] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.97.228.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:23] ScaN (n=X@201.216.234.217) joined ##slackware. [17:23] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: [17:23] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [17:24] the new k3b looks nice [17:24] yep [17:25] conky looks super nice with fluxbox :D [17:25] did i miss an answer to my elinks/mplayering request? [17:25] Quiznos: what you said something ? lol jk [17:25] :) [17:25] :D [17:25] i didnt see the question... [17:26] is there a site that i can elinks for movies to watch then use mplayer to view easily? [17:26] they're all flash video based, so the answer is probably no [17:26] i spose it would have to be non-flash [17:26] hmm nods [17:26] what's an elink ? [17:26] but that's only bc they hide the flash's url [17:26] elinks console text browser [17:27] Quiznos: oh :P [17:27] elinks is a version of links (text browser for www) [17:27] it's a link on the e-ternet [17:27] elinks is for poor ppl [17:27] well a fork of te lynx family of browsers [17:27] te/the [17:27] that cant afford graphic cards with more then 2mb [17:27] >.> [17:27] it's for people that don't necessarily have machines that have remote X xsamurai... [17:27] i have an nvidia 32mb card -_- don't laugh [17:28] or don't want their web experience ruined by adware, unneeded graphics, flash crap, anumated gifs, etc [17:28] mancha: that too ^.^ [17:28] rich ppl dont remote anywhere [17:28] oh btw, on gui boswers i've noticed that when i have a httpd running on localhost, alot of google ads are `not found' [17:28] rich people remotely pee on the poor [17:29] deco: LMAO!!!!! [17:29] Pig_Pen: haha [17:29] agentc0re|work: get back to work ! [17:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:29] deco: bah.. that's overrated today anyways. [17:30] alicephilippa (i=alice@88.128.95.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] i think it's time to open another paritition [17:30] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.1.20) joined ##slackware. [17:30] what about Dropline GNOME for slack13? [17:30] gnome oh my [17:31] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-56-185.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] agentc0re|work: yep we just wanna slack :) [17:32] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [17:32] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "merda" [17:33] DavidVWallin (n=david@c83-250-143-45.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:33] daggs is still trying to get dropline built for 12.2 ;p [17:33] ok, wtf? [17:34] why is adduser warning me that /bin/false isn't in /etc/shells [17:34] bc it's not usually [17:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) joined ##slackware. [17:34] it's not a shell [17:34] but go ahead add it. [17:34] add it to /etc/shells [17:34] that's a good idear but i just edit passwd's [17:35] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host243-67-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:35] 20:56:02 sbopkg doesnt integrate well into a slack.Mirrored on local hd [17:35] well, i'm adding a samba-only user, so they don't need a login shell [17:35] chess yes? [17:35] Action: chess is confused how a mirrored slack has anything to do with sbopkg [17:36] chess the two sources end up in one var/log/packages; why shouldnt the src? [17:36] srcpkgs [17:36] Nick change: GATT0 -> G4tt0 [17:36] chess by `mirrored slack' i refer to remote mirror sites of slackware.com dist-versions [17:37] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] I am still confused. sbopkg builds packages from a rsync'd copy of slackbuilds.org. how does a remote mirror of the slackware tree fit into that picture? [17:38] my mirrors end up where I tell them. [17:38] lol [17:38] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-polzwvpyyjsdxqup) left irc: "Page closed" [17:39] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-234-31.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:39] otherwise BP{k} throws a fit :) [17:39] BPk - don't break them, 7 years of bad luck [17:39] ppl i cant see any icons in xfce [17:39] and thunar complains about some png file [17:39] Necos: nah, I just get evil on them ;) [17:39] and doesnt work [17:39] ghetoo (n=ghetto@78.166.132.182) joined ##slackware. [17:39] anyone else with this problem ? [17:39] livebrain: how about detailing the "complains" part. [17:39] livebrain: no just you [17:40] "damn you png, you portable graphics format" [17:40] Thunar-ERROR **: Failed to load fallback icon from "/usr/local/share/pixmaps/Thunar/Thunar-fallback-icon.png" (Failed to open file '/usr/local/share/pixmaps/Thunar/Thunar-fallback-icon.png': No such file or directory). Check your installation! [17:40] livebrain: you're not running Slackware's xfce apparently [17:40] hi [17:40] true, i just want the file manager :) [17:40] but even in xfce i get no icons [17:40] WHAT? [17:40] livebrain: you broke your warrenty [17:41] i doubt you're even in a slackware linux [17:41] Slackware includes Thunar. Thunar is part of Xfce. You can run "just the file manager" without building it yourself. [17:41] why is that ? [17:41] that you doubt i'm running slack [17:41] just a hunch [17:42] rworkman: i'm using oficial packages [17:42] livebrain: no you're not. [17:42] its looking for stuff in /usr/local [17:42] livebrain: no you're not. [17:42] always a sign. [17:42] this is awesome [17:42] wireless to connect automatically at startup [17:42] how do? [17:42] I have a ubuntu laptop to my left [17:42] what's an alternative to minicom [17:42] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] we're so good here we even get ubuntu users masquerading as slack users pop in for support :) [17:42] dive^: and a hammer in your right hand? [17:42] I basically maintain Xfce in Slackware. You're not going to get away with half-truths and/or outright lies about it. [17:42] need to serial into a switch [17:42] i'm not ? [17:43] why do you say that ? [17:43] livebrain: slackware packages do not put anything in /usr/local/ *FACTY* [17:43] livebrain: dont try to bullshit rworkman, hes a teacher. [17:43] s/FACTY/FACT/ [17:43] ls /var/log/packages/xfce-4.6.1-x86_64-5 [17:43] wondering how long I can go before I put slack on it. I am really getting tired of typing in passwords :> [17:43] he'll make you play the nose and paper game [17:43] Your Thunar installation is looking in /usr/local for something. Ours doesn't. [17:43] Nick change: dive^ -> dive [17:43] Action: chess gets a bag of popcorn and settles in to the Laz-E-Boy [17:43] i'm using the x86_64 [17:44] Action: BP{k} tosses chess a beer [17:44] Action: spook prepares the frozen eels [17:44] jeev i hate those stupid cables needed to console in to switches [17:44] spook did you hear that Nessie might be a giant eel? [17:44] Thunar-ERROR **: Failed to load fallback icon from "/usr/share/pixmaps/Thunar/Thunar-fallback-icon.png" [17:44] but here you have it [17:44] Necos: use tcp/ip [17:44] Action: chess cracks it open and nods his thanks to BP{k} [17:44] same folder [17:44] Action: dive picks up hammer, looks at ubuntu, looks at livebrain [17:44] spook, for changing vlans, etc, you have to console in [17:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-77-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:45] the other error was the thunar i compiled to see if it worked [17:45] ah-ha [17:45] Necos: only if you do it to the interface you're connecting through [17:45] Action: BP{k} goes and edits ~/.irssi/saved_colors [17:45] BP{k}: ++ [17:45] Action: fire|bird hands dive another hammer. Why choose? :P [17:45] spook, on our ciscos, that's not the case [17:45] lol [17:46] i rather be a hammer than in jail.... [17:46] Necos: the ones that use rj45 connectors are the best. [17:46] i think we should replace all politicians world-wide with #slackware users..the level of competence in this channel is amazing [17:46] *sung to the tune of good ole simon & garfunkel* [17:46] corte: hmmm? [17:46] you guys are just smart :P [17:46] Politicians are like fires. When you put out a fire, you replace it with... *nothing* [17:46] mancha what sung to S&G? [17:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] corte: thats not how politics works. [17:46] right. because computer knowledge equals politics [17:46] necos, minicom wont work wtf hrmf [17:47] rworkman: true words :D [17:47] ScaN (n=X@201.216.234.217) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] Necos: you don't always have to console if you set up the vlan correctly and have managment on vlan1 [17:47] corte, we would be sitting here pasting stuff up on noobfarm all day and not saving the planet ;-) [17:47] haha, i realize that spook, but it would work so much better if engineers and scientists were in control [17:47] lf4, all switches aren't like that [17:47] Necos: screen /dev/ttyS0 [17:47] corte: thats not how politics works. [17:47] corte : not at all [17:47] jeev: did you set the port?, what cisco switches are you using or is it a different brand? [17:47] corte, only if the world were rebootable [17:47] its a dell powerconnect [17:48] lol! [17:48] dive: noobfarm could be the new quarantined area were we actually place the noob into. [17:48] haha [17:48] Action: corte goes back to kernel recompile [17:49] \ [17:49] lol oh I never even messed with the one dell switch we had at work, we had a pollicy that prevented us from managing anything besides cisco (for our convenience) :D [17:49] cisco is so 1990's [17:49] ananke: then it would be a true noobfarm [17:49] i like the jokes that the simpsons make at cisco's expense [17:49] ScaN (n=X@host26.201-252-61.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:50] blah s/ananke/agentc0re|work [17:50] managed switches make a great way to find the source of spam in a NAT environment...<3 port mirroring + wireshark [17:50] r_linux (n=r_linux@200.225.95.150) left irc: "caindo fora" [17:50] lol [17:50] G4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host243-67-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [17:50] corte: uhhh... [17:50] i think one of the best posts in noobfarm was about the guy that made pat leave the channel [17:50] deco: oh no theres better than that [17:50] lol deco you should read them ALL :D [17:51] lf4: yes i should lol [17:51] spook: :P i better start reading more :P [17:51] spook, yes? that's the only thing i've ever done with a managed swithc :( [17:51] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:51] tatsuono (n=sandy@41.212.99-84.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] uh, noobfarm moment, i was trying to minicom.......... the linux system doesn't have serial, the windows one has serial -- that's where i plugged in the switch to, lol [17:51] sudo cat noobfarm > deco [17:52] hi people [17:52] Nick change: tatsuono -> minus273 [17:52] noobfarm vs bash.org [17:52] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [17:52] corte: yeah... it gets better. spanning tree for example [17:52] pi31415: noobfarm! [17:52] jeev: lol usb>serial ftw! [17:52] how can I specify the DNS server after dhcpcd? [17:52] minus273: /etc/resolv.conf [17:52] add it to /etc/resolv.conf [17:53] minus273 : what do you mean by 'after'? [17:53] livebrain: basically, you need to install at least the L series. There are some things in there you can skip, but if you don't *know* what they are, then you should install all of them. [17:53] ananke: it isn't given by the DHCP server? [17:53] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:54] hello, i am using konqueror in kde 3.5. i used the move feature to move a multi level dir structure to an external drive. there were permission issues on a file because i had played with it as root. i told konqueror to auto skip assuming that it would leave the files in there source dir. this is not the case. how can i see a log of all the files that didn't mv properly? [17:54] i usually never do a full install, but this is the first time ever i treied to run thunar/xfce [17:54] As I said in #xfce though, you should really do a full install (minus the E series unless you're insane ;-)) [17:54] spook: ha, i'm still entry level and not too much in the network design/advanced stuff. STP sounds like a disease, though. [17:54] WOO HOO [17:54] minus, add the line "nameserver a.b.c.d" to your /etc/resolv.conf file [17:54] no, i was trying to serial in from the wrong system [17:54] "minus, add" is ironic [17:54] corte: you dont need to port mirror to find spam when you have spanning tree set up right [17:54] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [17:55] minus273 (n=sandy@41.212.99-84.rev.gaoland.net) left ##slackware ("Trying to kill dhcpcd and restart it to see if the servers remain"). [17:55] ah, gotcha [17:55] was noobfarm started a slackware user or slackers just post a lot there ? [17:55] by a * [17:55] i just burned the 13.0 install-d1.iso using cdrecord. now i can just sshfs to the dvd.iso on another box instead of screwing around with upgrading [17:55] yes [17:55] lol frankyp nice [17:56] rworkman: isnt there any way to find out what i'm missing ? [17:56] deco: first one. Dominian mainly [17:56] 1h03m30s 'til my birthday! :) [17:56] without reinstalling [17:56] livebrain: no. reinstall [17:56] livebrain: you don't have to reinstall - just install the remainder of L [17:56] \o/ Zordrak you old fart :D [17:56] Zordrak: happy birthday fnirfnir [17:57] Going camping :) [17:57] does konqueror have a log? [17:57] ty [17:57] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] spook: ok thanks [17:57] Zordrak: Nice Hope you have a happy birthday. [17:57] ty [17:57] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Well, gotta run. Later :) [17:57] l8r [17:58] so do you guys all work on pc's for a living? [17:58] Er.. it helps [17:58] winstonw (n=winstonw@24.245.62.24) joined ##slackware. [17:58] y'know.. being a sysadmin and all [17:58] oh it it isn't deco ;) [17:59] corte: I work sitting on a chair. :) [17:59] without pcs.. its a bit weird [17:59] hah [17:59] winstonw: kittyboy! [17:59] moewh! [17:59] i'm a uni student [17:59] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [17:59] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Zordrak: really? You should try it someday. much fun :) [17:59] so you know, lots of free time [17:59] spook: is a slacker [17:59] spook: ekd of. [17:59] corte : depends on your definition of 'pcs' [18:00] *end of. [18:00] spook: lucky, I'm a student as well but work also. lol [18:00] yeah i was a windows network technician till i decided to go back to school. sysadmin on linux systems sounds frightening :P [18:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.22) left irc: [18:00] corte: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?page_id=2 [18:00] Thats my About [18:00] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] wow complete with an about [18:00] corte: why frightening? [18:00] corte : it's not [18:00] ananke: that is subjective [18:01] pi31415 : of course. so is saying that it is. [18:01] i have a job, i just dont work. [18:01] i'm on retainer [18:01] just do a colonel compile on day #1 that'll get you over your phobias [18:01] i know windows like the back of my hand, but when it comes to linux, there's just so much to learn :O [18:02] corte: i doubt you know windows that well anymore, vista and windows 7 have turned things tits up [18:02] corte : i've never met anybody who knew everything on a given subject, when it comes to IT. learning, be it windows or linux, is part of the job [18:02] Action: winstonw sucks at compiling kernels so much if he were to compile one right now he would 'accidentally' disable ELF binaries [18:02] spook: Ahh ok. [18:02] so what is the name if the new compression tool? lzma [18:02] ? [18:02] is there anyway to see the files that didn't get moved with the move feature of konquerer? [18:02] xz is lzma in fancier clothing [18:03] ananke, good point [18:03] alright guys, gotta run, have fun. [18:03] corte: You'll catch on quickly. just listen to everything and it will fall in to place. [18:03] spook, i'm vista MCP :) [18:03] tar has a --lzma switch aye? [18:03] http://pictureswithfunnycaptions.com/images/Dorks.jpg [18:04] thanks anyhow [18:04] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] corte: yeah my friend took that quiz online too and got the t-shirt [18:04] I can never freaking get anything done if I see irc up. [18:04] Pig_Pen: is that you ? lol [18:04] xxjx (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [18:04] nope [18:04] Pig_Pen: Haha where did you get my picutre! [18:04] thats my possie [18:04] in bash, $0 is the name of the program, right? [18:05] Necos : yes [18:05] spook, funny :P [18:05] Necos: like argv[0] in C yes [18:05] or rather, how it was called [18:05] corte: no seriously. [18:06] lf4: found it on /. [18:07] Darn /. crawling the web for pictures... *wonders if they got the... never mind* [18:07] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:07] some commenter has that url in their sig [18:08] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] corte (n=corte@cpe-024-074-144-179.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] thing is.. it's actually harder to be a properly knowledgable windows admin than a linux admin.. but most windows admins know very much less about Windows than they think they do. Windows has much more depth than most know about because its hidden and barely documented. Im NOT talking about the registry.. I'm talking about IO reports, screwed up memory leak management etc [18:09] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [18:10] friggin fantastic that turning a printer off caused a memory leak in a printer driver that was buried inside a call from another executable that effectively took the whole server down and was only diagnosable with some very serious tools from the 2003 admin kit [18:10] Zordrak: ouch [18:10] im im guessing the 13.0 installer ramdisk doesnt have fuse usable? [18:10] frankyp: no. [18:11] Zordrak: but how do you fix something like that? [18:11] Don't say "just don't turn the printer off" :) [18:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:12] Doctor! Doctor! It hurts when I do this! [18:12] Ehehe [18:12] EuroTrash: you emoty the print queue, remove the print driver and restart the spooler service (since the printer is no longer there and that was the cause) [18:12] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:12] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: "leaving" [18:13] Each time? [18:14] No.. the printer was decomissioned.. then since the queue wasnt empty and the server couldnt contact the printer, the print spooler was allocated inpage kernel memory every time it tried to contact the printer, but never released any.. over time hogging ALL of the available inpage kernel memoryu leaving none for anything else [18:14] Nasty [18:15] very [18:15] My point being that most windows admins couldnt handle that because they have no clue what inpage kernel memory is [18:16] So when someone says they know windows like the back of their hand.. but are scared of linux.. take another little think about their first assertion. [18:16] Zordrak: they know what they are allowed to see :P [18:16] lf4, i just connected the damn ethernet arp -s and there. [18:16] it's pissing me off, this dell optiplex im using isnt even picking up console [18:16] Often you will find that many linux experts arent linux experts.. they are operating system experts.. who realise that linux is the best choice for them [18:17] Windows experts, however, are neither expert in windows, nor anything else [18:17] Well yeah, and MS is doing everthing they can to keep it that way. [18:18] For whatever reason. [18:18] for one reason. [18:18] Renewed licences & support contracts [18:18] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.134.69) left irc: "either me or you is stoopid, I is not stoopid, therefore you is dumb" [18:18] lf4, looks like IOS inside when i read the docs [18:18] That is their ONLY ultimate goal. [18:18] jeev: glwt [18:19] ? [18:19] jeev: Really? thats odd but then agan its a dell lol. [18:19] tea4me (n=tea4me@207-172-72-100.c3-0.hdp-ubr1.sbo-hdp.ma.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] why would it be odd because it's dell? [18:20] ananke: IOS issue for consoling from minicom is odd. [18:21] using minicom is odd. for crying out loud, it's 2009, use screen [18:21] lol [18:21] titopoquito (n=tito@p508ECE76.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [18:22] well, i got it connecting with arp but i duno the passwords, great [18:22] leave minicom back in 1993, unless you really need to transfer files over serial [18:22] lets see [18:22] josefig (n=JoseFig@189.190.141.15) joined ##slackware. [18:23] ananke: i had to use it last week [18:23] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [18:23] the only thing i hope with this switch is that a) 64bit counters b) i could just have servers without subnetting.. i cant deal with subnetting this specific cage [18:23] on a subject of dell, i was surprised last week that memory/drives for my pe2850's were actually much cheaper from dell directly, than from any other places. [18:24] grazymax (n=grazymax@host107-156-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [18:24] phone system interface had three ports.. serial, modem and ethernet.. however ethernet was disabled, serial broke leaving me with only the dial-in modem option. After lots of pissing about and protocol guessing, i fainlly managed to get in, with minicom, and enabled the ethernet interface. [18:24] Avaya Definity ProLogix II PABX For. The. Lose. [18:25] Zordrak : so what were the protocol/settings? [18:25] erm.. 7N1 iirc [18:25] bastards [18:26] thank god for default usernames and passwords.. cause the only password i had was the config password not the admin password.. meaning i couldnt do anything with the ports. [18:26] but a little admin/admin guesswork later and bob became my father's brother [18:26] worker22 (n=worker@a83-161-252-137.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:27] and i closed the hole behind me. For 10 years.. ANYONE has been able to dial in to our phone system and fuck it up royally [18:27] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [18:27] no longer. [18:27] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:27] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [18:27] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] kozandr (n=kozandr@92.243.174.247) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:29] kozandr (n=kozandr@92.243.174.247) joined ##slackware. [18:31] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [18:31] >.> [18:32] yea, this is IOS [18:32] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] i just dont know the freaking password [18:32] i haven't dealt with IOS for 8 years [18:32] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:32] jeev: You said it was a dell switch? What model? [18:33] 5348 [18:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Success [18:34] have you tried this? http://joelgibby.net/2006/10/03/dell-powerconnect-3024-3048-5012-password-reset/ [18:35] im not getting anything through console [18:35] but i can ping it, i poked the pinhole [18:36] Nick change: hugleo -> hugleo-aprendiz [18:36] i dunno why i aint getting anything from console, maybe it's the system im using [18:36] i dont have time to look for another one right now [18:36] i dunno what the username is [18:36] i didn't read the docs thuroughly [18:36] maybe because its admin sucks [18:36] thorough [18:36] maybe thrice` [18:36] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.1.20) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:36] lol thrice` [18:37] jeev: You sure you have the minicom settings correct? [18:37] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:37] lf4, the windows system is the one with serial [18:38] i got another box here but it wouldn't boot to flash, im getting annoyed [18:38] jeev: Oh ok [18:38] im too tired, i work myself to death [18:38] RIP [18:38] Zordrak, you mentioned that you wanted to move from AD to Samba4.. have you had problems with win2k3? [18:39] winstonw do this; make help; find all yes config; make that target; then make menuconfig and deselect everything you dont need. [18:39] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [18:39] uh.. yeah. It blows. [18:39] Zordrak: 2k8 is muuuuuch better [18:39] lol [18:39] Vista based server! [18:39] sure.. and my shit tastes like chocolate [18:39] Zordrak: How does it blow? [18:39] esp. datacenter license. unlimited VMs! [18:39] Zordrak: I dont want to know why you know that. [18:40] Zordrak: i mean 2008 is still windows, but its better than 2k3 by a long shot [18:40] pi31415: it is overcomplicated and proprietary in so many ways. So many LDAP services have to bend around the whim of Active Directoy.. even though it should just be as simple as any other ldap service [18:41] Active Directory also will not allow itself to be subordinate to another database.. either IT runs the show or there is no show [18:41] Zordrak: I asked because we have a similar configuration and I have never had a problem with it.. if it is not broke then I do not fix it. [18:41] pi31415: that is a bad mentality to have in my line of work. [18:42] why is "if it ain't broke" a bad mentality? [18:42] streamlining and efficiency improvements are the most important thing I do [18:42] winstonw [18:42] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:42] I am now doing over 300% as much work as I was two years ago, just because ive made the work easier to do [18:42] kool [18:42] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-56-185.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:42] The network was a complete and utter mess [18:42] "work smart, not hard" [18:42] how so? [18:43] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.4.8) joined ##slackware. [18:43] It's now a very clean Slackware based network with only a few legacy bits left to deal with [18:43] nice [18:43] job security lol slackware based [18:43] Zordrak has your compensation likewise increased? [18:43] it was primarily a mix of Fedora Core 3 and Solaris 7-10 [18:43] fc3, heh [18:44] Quiznos: 173.53% [18:44] seriously? [18:44] Seriously. [18:44] vnice! [18:44] indeed. [18:44] congrats! [18:44] ty [18:44] katie's off; new babe on cbs news [18:44] the saturday morning one [18:44] Zordrak: well done :-) [18:44] Plus extra benefits.. such as persuading them to buy me a Nokia E90 outright for remote administration [18:45] alienBOB: thanks :) [18:45] vkool [18:45] Fedoris [18:45] I've supported Outlook with Linux mail servers since about 2000 and it is amazing how tricky it can be in practice [18:45] coffee for tonight is ready and cooling [18:45] Soldora [18:45] In hind sight I would either switch to Exchange or to Thunderbird [18:45] pi31415: indeed.. which is why i have converted almost every user to Thunderbird. It was hard and thankless, but now I dont spend half my week dealing with Outlook hanging dead [18:45] yarvin (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) joined ##slackware. [18:45] pi31415: email Just Works. [18:46] esp since i replaced the mail server [18:46] I have run into Thunderbird bugs [18:46] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [18:46] sometimes it cannot guess the character encoding so it just displays a blank message [18:46] you know what the Magic Eightball says about Outlook [18:46] hugleo-aprendiz (n=hugleo@unaffiliated/hugleo) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:46] w000t, Slack13 [18:46] pi31415: yes.. but fixable ones that are easy to diagnose [18:46] pi31415: Not "oh well, It's Outlook, live with it" bugs [18:46] pi31415 mutt or alpine for me :P [18:46] Zordrak i reiterate, congrats. [18:46] AND a 64 bit version as well...... [18:46] Action: foureyes779 does a happy dance [18:47] that's very good. and i'm glad to hear about stability in netowrking. [18:47] Quiznos: hello lol [18:47] Zordrak are you at a private .com or a isp-ish place? [18:47] Hence my original assertion that sometimes "if it aint broke dont fix it" is very relevant.. but For Certain Values Of Broke [18:47] winstonw hi; page up to see my previous line to you [18:47] Pig_Pen: did you get any good 10M openings this summer ? [18:47] When broke means painful and inefficient.. you MUST fix it [18:47] >.> [18:48] J4CK (n=DepecheM@adsl190-28-142-96.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:48] Anyhow, I am suspicious that supporting Windows w/ Samba as an active directory replacement is about as much fun as supporting Outlook w/ Linux software as an Exchange replacement. [18:48] s/am suspicious/suspect/ [18:48] And right in the top of my painful and inefficient category is Active Directory [18:48] tatsuono (n=sandy@41.212.99-84.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] lol [18:48] What is so inefficient about active directory? I think it works great. [18:48] which is why samba4 will support AD natively [18:48] tatsuono (n=sandy@41.212.99-84.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:49] LDAP is awesome for shit like that [18:49] Scuse me if it's old, but: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ [18:49] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:50] Quiznos: thx i thought dselect was a debian thing [18:51] winstonw not "dselect" the deb thing; unselect what you dont need in the kernel via menuconfig [18:51] yeah, foureyes779 mostly to the east coast of the usa from virginia down to florida and many places in between [18:51] pi31415: Do you know what the ldap search paramater is for checking if a user is disabled or not? In OpenLDAP it would be something like (&(uid=)(disabled=)). In Active Directory: [18:51] (&(samAccountName=)([!]userAccountControl:1.2.840.113556.1.4.803:=2)) [18:51] Quiznos: LOL I see :) [18:51] Pig_Pen: cool, this year sucked for te PNW [18:51] k [18:51] lol [18:51] Pig_Pen: hardly any openings [18:52] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Zordrak: don't have space for the extra characters? [18:52] pi31415: huh? [18:52] i bet 40 & 80 were good for you [18:52] flash works so much better now... [18:52] Coxy (n=coxy@188-220-130-227.zone11.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Pig_Pen: we had 1 opening to the East Coast, and that was it [18:52] it isnt perfect but works better.. [18:52] 75/80 [18:52] Pig_Pen: 20M mostly [18:52] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [18:52] One query looks about 40 characters long, one looks about 80, but I am not sure what the big deal is. [18:52] what about along the west coast from alaska down to san diego [18:53] Pig_Pen: yeah [18:53] dont forget canadia [18:53] someone told me i only needed a few Gb for 12.2, but now on 13.0 with SBopkg it filled up my 8Gb [18:53] and canadia [18:53] BC is there too [18:53] on 40M/75M, that is local [18:53] B.C. rocks [18:53] dchmelik: clear /tmp ? :) [18:53] dchmelik: lol [18:53] i did, thrice` [18:53] Its an example of ADs insanity. How well do you think the parameter is documented? How obvious do you think it is when you try to find out in the first place. Transpose that difficulty into every other aspect of AD.. MS certainly do [18:53] I am right across the water from Victoria, B.C. [18:53] 8GB is a ton :( [18:53] actually i am not sure i cleared SBo/ [18:54] tangibledaydream (n=daydream@c-69-143-67-38.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:54] and the people there are some of the friendliest [18:54] OpenLDAP is simple, based on standards and as configurable as you want it to be aroun d default or custom schema [18:54] That's a fairly vague statement..did you install everything that SBo has to offer or what? [18:54] Did you know that adding a parameter to part of the active directory schema is *irreversible* [18:54] HITF can it be irreversible to modify the config?! [18:55] Because of their precious database [18:55] it still took up 79% of my 8Gb after i cleard it... maybe one needs more space on 13.0 [18:55] does anyone know if they are going to make 64 bit CD's available soon ? [18:55] all I see are downloads for DVD's [18:55] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/sound-in-mpd-after-an-upgrade-to-13.0-752217/#post3667407 [18:55] it's the first hit on google for "active directory" ldap search disabled user site:microsoft.com [18:55] Slackware: The Soundtrack [18:55] heh [18:56] foureyes779: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=slackware+13+cd+iso [18:56] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Zordrak: tnx [18:56] i duno; IMO i think complicated code, src and otherwise, is a deep seated sign of perversion ;) [18:56] pi31415: you are completely missing the point. [18:56] greetings and salutations [18:56] foureyes779: there will be no official Slackware64 CD's. Just the DVD [18:56] alkos333: did you try mpd as a new user ? [18:56] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:56] pi31415: And WHY is it the first result?! Because its so ridiculously cimplicated and undocumented that people feel they have to blog the information for other poor bastards [18:57] nobody does that with linux [18:57] thrice`: No, I have not. [18:57] alienBOB: orite.. then i shall repoint him at rsync-slackware-current.sh :) [18:57] because the ldap query is HUMAN READABLE [18:57] alienBOB: ok [18:57] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) joined ##slackware. [18:57] foureyes779: ggogle mirror-slackware-current.sh [18:58] spook: in theory so are XML and javascript [18:58] foureyes779: it will let you rsync the tree and make your own ISOs [18:58] Zordrak: tnx again [18:59] but google javascript and openoffice xml are no fun to slog through [18:59] One minute to my birthday! [18:59] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:59] is it possible to download the DVD image, then mount it and chrrot, then do an install ? [18:59] ScaN (n=X@host26.201-252-61.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:59] foureyes779: whats funny is the DX/skip was in there good and strong for a couple of months starting around may or june and lasted until about mid august and just went flat, latly i hear a little DX in there and it is not very consistent and not very strong [19:00] Wooo.. # Happy Birthday to me.. happy birthday to me.. [19:00] pi31415: no one cares anymore you fan boy. [19:00] Zordrak: happy birthday fnir fnir [19:00] Pig_Pen: it has been mostly Ca, with a few other states mixed in [19:00] ty ty [19:00] Zordrak hapBday [19:00] Pig_Pen: UT, WY, ID and NV [19:00] tis a good day to be me :) [19:00] i need to look at space weather dot com and see what the sun spot activity has been up to [19:01] Zordrak: happy birthday [19:01] spook thank you for calling me names, it is more gently than invoking Godwin [19:01] gentle [19:01] Pig_Pen: we had a itty bitty spot the other day [19:01] Pig_Pen a few months ago i heard bbc overnight on AM from .uk; have also heard Bahmanian radio on AM [19:01] one tiny sun spot [19:01] godwin? [19:01] Pig_Pen it's still decreasing [19:01] an itty-bitty sunspot comittee [19:01] dchmelik: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=godwin [19:02] AM DX is cool at night, after it gets dark you can pick stuff up from all over [19:02] nods [19:02] gotta run, tnx for the advice [19:02] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [19:02] Coxy (n=coxy@188-220-130-227.zone11.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:02] i will just type it into my search box [19:03] Quiznos: you sure it was from UK [19:03] fairly certain [19:03] defin. bbc tho [19:03] world service is broadcast all over the place isnt it? [19:03] yea [19:03] i thought it cost money in the usa [19:03] O_o [19:03] just think if the lack of sun spots continues and it causes a little ice age like the one in the late 1700's early 1800's [19:03] what cost? [19:03] pi31415: Ray Dee Oh [19:03] neat; no more AC needed [19:04] BBC World Service Radio.. not BBC World [19:04] i got bbc and bahamian on high side of am [19:04] if that happens Quizons buns wont be oven fresh anymore [19:04] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [19:04] yup, you can pick up BBC on NPR or on shortwave if you have a shortwave radio [19:04] heh [19:04] more like cold soggy cardboard [19:04] zordrak: they shut down short wave and are on sirius and xm, which cost money [19:04] i have a hand held multi band but by batt it doesnt get good reception [19:04] the BBC quit shortwave broadcasting? [19:05] pi31415: Where exactly has no AM (MW) service [19:05] ScaN (n=X@host26.201-252-61.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:05] and the slide pot is really less efective compared to when new [19:05] Pig_Pen i dont think they did; that would be global news [19:06] i used to look for the BBC on 49 meters in the evenings, but since i found the BBC on NPR i just tune them in on a local station [19:06] kool [19:06] what time? [19:06] bah.. Just stream the bugger [19:06] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:06] 3 PM CST [19:06] k [19:06] go to NPR.org and see if they have a local station you can tune to [19:07] You can get bbc tv channel free via Zattoo, and FM radio is streamed online [19:07] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-155-168-35.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:07] if not stream it [19:07] direct from the bbc [19:07] i forget when it was but when i was living in Pennsy eastern mountains, I heard from Yonkers on sw. [19:07] in new york [19:07] streaming is a good answer, but i thought they wanted to charge for that too [19:07] Action: Zordrak recommends BBC Radio 2 to everyone everywhere [19:07] pi31415: no [19:07] pi31415: The BBC is a public service broadcaster [19:07] pi31415 where are you that nothing is free? :) [19:08] pi31415: like PBS but funded unilaterally by taxation [19:08] Radio is provided free to all countries (afaik) primarily to service ex-pats and servicemen [19:09] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [19:11] ah, the headling was "BT wants cash for iPlayer" [19:11] headline [19:11] what i like about NPR & PBS is you are not spammed with audio/video advertising every ten minutes, that frustrates me to no end enough to just turn the dang thing off [19:11] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] pi31415 where are you that nothing is free? :) [19:11] Quiznos: I am in Oregon and we do not get free BCC world service state wide [19:11] are you between mountains? [19:12] pi31415: you need a shortwave reciever and a wire antenna strung up in the trees as long and as high as you can get it [19:12] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:12] yea but a fractally bent antenna would be better [19:13] inverted V is what i got [19:13] k [19:13] with the arms of the V real wide [19:13] obtuse angle? [19:13] http://www.savebbc.org/press/6_june_2001.html [19:14] its not quite a center fed dipole [19:14] k [19:14] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:15] you should try to make a fractal antenna; recept would be much better [19:15] fractal antenna? gotta google that one [19:15] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] pi31415: hmm.. guess it's RealPlayer for you [19:15] pls do so. fascinating subject [19:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal_antenna [19:16] in fact.. theyre on flash now i think [19:16] Pig_Pen in a line, the shape of the wire bent so allows for MORE wire to be used to pick signals [19:16] Zordrak: I would rather just do without TV and radio [19:16] http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/radio2 [19:17] ah i see, is is just a long antenna folded up in to a fractal [19:17] yep [19:17] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] long wire [19:17] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-170-159.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] and its flat afaik [19:17] hang on a wall [19:17] can you imagine such a antenna on your wall? [19:18] they're used in cell phones [19:18] Quiznos: doesn't the bent wire also make it easier to pick up interference? [19:18] Guest20304 (n=Deividas@c-24-13-181-37.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] ok; bbl for 3rd shift [19:18] pi31415 maybe [19:18] for my FM stereo reciever i have this picture on the wall above my reciever and i took some wire and hot-glued it around the frame in the back so you can not see it except at the bottom of the picture two wires going down to the back of teh reciever [19:18] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [19:18] i duno really [19:19] Pig_Pen kool [19:19] bbl [19:19] a rectangle loop [19:19] any gossip on slackbook 3.0? [19:19] Nick change: Guest20304 -> Anarxi [19:19] Anarxi: http://slackbook.org [19:19] Anarxi: Ready when it's ready. [19:19] facts ar there, gossips in irc [19:20] :) [19:20] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A73489.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:20] Mrs (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] Anarxi: i heard it's pregnant [19:21] awesome, I bet its like in that californias mayors movie. 13 fathers 1 mother. twins. gonna be white book (swharcneger) and black book (devito) [19:21] Anarxi: i dont even know where to start correcting you on that. [19:21] Mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [19:21] So I wont [19:21] aye [19:21] I made a lot of spelling errors anyways [19:21] do not emberass me more [19:21] :) [19:22] Action: Zordrak pulls back into reality. Time for some birthday sleep. Preparation for camping tomorrow. [19:22] Night all. [19:22] night [19:23] i fell asleep in the sun today [19:23] antiwire: did you get a farmers tan ? [19:23] hell no i'm getting a rad tan [19:23] Action: ghetoo herkese iyi geceler [19:23] ghetoo (n=ghetto@78.166.132.182) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:23] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] antiwire: lucky you don't have one -_- [19:24] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [19:24] only part that isn't tan...shouldn't be anyway :o [19:24] lol [19:24] i burn ... unless it is on my arms which are already tan [19:25] my skin type just gets darker and darker [19:25] i use sun screen initially though [19:25] antiwire: same here [19:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] after about a week i'm pretty much safe [19:25] kcbigfoot (n=kcbigfoo@mikolajczyka.ds.po.opole.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:25] no safe from cancer i guess but safe from burning lol [19:25] hi [19:25] kcbigfoot (n=kcbigfoo@mikolajczyka.ds.po.opole.pl) left ##slackware. [19:25] i can't seem to get a tan much anywhere else. my face get sburnt. etc etc. howevere i am in fscking Texas where this summer has been "the hottest summer ever recorded. period." it has been, and still is, miserable. [19:26] where are the 32 compat libs again? [19:26] dtanner: california representing :P [19:26] lucky , how are your temps in your area deco? [19:26] dtanner: hell -_- [19:27] dtanner: after winter, my method to get a tan back is to use sun screen for about 1-2 weeks and only stay exposed for 20 minutes on each side [19:27] slowly get your natural pigment going [19:27] antiwire: ah well, i have not that much patience with it. i just go for it and that is my fault. [19:27] ScaN (n=X@host26.201-252-61.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [19:27] ahah [19:27] hell, i used to do it when i was a kid and always got dark, but things change as you age. =) [19:27] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] deco: your in Cali? [19:27] BP{k}: yep [19:28] close to the fires? [19:28] hmmm, something strange with scim-bridge... [19:28] BP{k}: nah but close enough to see the smoke [19:28] deco: i'm over 100 miles away from the igger fire and even i can see the smoke [19:29] Los Angeles is burning up [19:29] antiwire: lol [19:29] it was pluming igger/bigger [19:29] omfg [19:29] i give up [19:29] btw i just read that new section about the slackbook. I'll buy a hard copy if they print them [19:30] the fires were big enough to make Denver Colorado smokey [19:30] thank god i have my A/C running :D [19:30] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] moks107 (n=shim@82.194.40.243) left irc: Client Quit [19:31] it has been cool enough in oklahoma i can leave the windows open and just a fan pushing air around [19:31] one of my lady friends was warned that evac might be needed but it ended up changing directions. [19:31] she's in Acton [19:31] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [19:31] it's so hot at night that i have a fan in my room now [19:31] ah, scim doesn't delete it's socket files [19:32] bad scim [19:32] yarvin (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) left irc: [19:32] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [19:32] how have you been Necos? [19:32] it should when you exit the app [19:33] upgraded to 13 dtanner, but alas, kde4 is broken for me :) [19:33] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.4.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:33] that sucks [19:34] well, it's not broken per se, but i can't use it, 'cause it's not supported by opensync [19:34] opensync, hmmm [19:34] Necos: how long did it take you to build it ? [19:34] Necos, it was half broken for me, it would work good for a while, then break, next reboot it would work good and then break, i finally gave up and removed everything qt/kde4 and built qt338 & kde2.5.10 [19:34] grah mythtv on slackware64 [19:34] 3.5.10 [19:34] hello Pig_Pen , BP{k} , deco antiwire (bunch of nerds =) [19:35] hi dtanner [19:35] u 2 spook [19:35] sup dtanner [19:35] chillin and puffin on a cigar [19:35] a day getting all th dependencies in order [19:35] what kind? [19:35] omnipotentduo: ah!? i fellow BOTL? [19:36] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:36] cuban cigar ? :P [19:36] as long as i ran slackware i know we can not blame Pat for KDE4 being buggy, i think either the kde developers focus too much on eye candy and not enough of the under the hood stuff [19:36] figuring out what belonged to what (thanks thrice` and fire|bird) ^.^ [19:36] dtanner: howdy :) [19:36] my problem is that akonadi isn't supported by opensync, and therefore i can't sync my blackberry anymore [19:36] s/i/A/ [19:36] omnipotentduo: Perdomo Gran Cru Maduro (Crop of 2004) very nice. [19:36] so the kde4 stuff LOOKS pretty, it's practically useless [19:36] shit man i need a serial cable [19:36] this one is bad [19:36] Necos: cant sync with google? [19:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] dtanner: i am still a great fan of rocky patel 1993 [19:37] exactly, it is a pretty bug [19:37] god i hate svn [19:37] spook: it's all about git :D [19:37] yup [19:38] omnipotentduo: i think my humidor is a little too low on the RH level ( sitting around 66% ) which should be good , most of the veteran smokers keep humidors around 65%, i started keeping mine about that and some of my smoked are splitting. I am going to bump it back up to 68-70% RH. [19:38] spook, that's not the point ^>^ [19:38] sucks when you are forced to use something else [19:38] ^.^ [19:38] omnipotentduo: RP is my all time favorite Brand. [19:38] i want backups of my stuff when i don't necessarily have access to the internet [19:38] so syncing with google is kind of a moot point :) [19:38] never had a 1993, but i have had the 90 and 92 vintage [19:38] dtanner: glad we are on the same page haha. sorry to hear they are splitting [19:39] dtanner: i keep mine around roughly 69-71, i live in a dryer climate than most [19:39] and here at the high school, if we have an internet outage, i'd be screwed [19:39] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [19:39] Pig_Pen: i gave up on kde4 and switched to fluxbox :) [19:39] yeah , pissing me off.all the old timers say to keep it around mid 60's which now I do not agree with at all. there is a particular reason for keeping a humi @ 70%, it resembles the climate the leaves were grown and aged in. [19:39] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Client Quit [19:40] i compiled all the stuff in kde4 just for kontact/k9copy/k3b [19:40] and well, the major part of that was for kontact (to use with my BB)... [19:40] uva (i=bno@118-160-170-159.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:40] so now i have to go back to kde3.5 if i want to sync with my blackberry [19:40] shitty [19:40] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: "more reboots and crap.." [19:41] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:41] and i _HATE_ kde3.5 applications [19:41] omnipotentduo: we can talk about this without interupting "slack talk" in #slackofftopic if you want. [19:42] well, ##slackofftopic that is. [19:42] damnit this smoke is flaking but not to the point of breaking apart. argh. [19:42] i just built kdelibs and kdebase, the only bundled app package i built was kdegames and kdegraphics, i did not bother with kdemultimeida and kdenetwork [19:42] kdemulti is where k3b deps are [19:43] dtanner: i am there [19:43] kde 3.5 is much better than 4.2.4 [19:43] k3b is cool, i did build that [19:43] figabo (n=Slacker@187.149.20.8) left irc: Connection timed out [19:43] kde3 looks like shit [19:43] i prefer the style of the 4.x apps [19:44] 3.5 apps are downright ugly [19:44] thrice`: but it worked :D [19:44] unlike kde4 [19:44] no, 4.x is ugly [19:44] so does 4, people are just holding a grudge :> [19:44] yup, kde4 is pretty but it runs like crap, so the buggieness negates the prettyness [19:44] exactly [19:45] except i heard 4.3 is better [19:45] it's funny, many of the non-kde users now enjoy 4, while all of the old 3.x users hate it [19:45] 4.3 is new and untested. [19:45] omnipotentduo: i don't see you, did you use one # or two ? [19:45] how does kde4 run like crap? [19:45] kcbigfoot (n=kcbigfoo@mikolajczyka.ds.po.opole.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:45] its like having a car with a worn out smoking engine with a pretty paint job in your driveway [19:45] 4.3 is pretty nice [19:45] spook: It's on both my desktop and laptop. :) [19:45] kcbigfoot (n=kcbigfoo@mikolajczyka.ds.po.opole.pl) left ##slackware. [19:46] fire|bird: untested in slackware-current shall i say [19:46] dtanner: i am in #slackofftopic [19:46] Pig_Pen: i don't use the actually DE, only the apps (so that's what my comments are about) [19:46] spook: yeah, that it is. :) [19:46] it forces you to have animation and you cannot have a gradient background and certain colours and main menu entries [19:46] omnipotentduo: so is dtanner :) [19:46] *actually use the DE [19:46] 4.3 is way more stable on my machine than 4.2 was [19:46] i mostly use fvwm, the wife mostly uses KDE, she likes the games package [19:46] dchmelik: FORCES you to have animation? how is that? [19:46] omnipotentduo: try ##slackofftopic (two ##'s) [19:46] i don't think any DE "forces" you to do anything [19:46] but meh.. [19:47] except windows [19:47] Necos: sure gnome :P [19:47] lol [19:47] .... Have you not used kde 3.5, fire|bird? [19:47] dchmelik: you can turn off animation with 1 click, and gradients are certainly available [19:47] dchmelik: yes, I have, many times, and now I use kde4 on both my laptop and desktop [19:47] nonsense, you cannot turn it off, and one cannot 'click' anyway [19:47] WTF are you talking about? [19:47] YES, you can turn it off. [19:47] prove it [19:47] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:47] sure, 1 second [19:48] dchmelik: you are very uninformed, have you even used kde4 at all? [19:49] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.104.145) joined ##slackware. [19:49] dchmelik: http://omploader.org/vMjlzNA 1 checkbox to disable all animations and effects [19:49] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:50] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:51] that so-called box does *not* disable *all* animations and effects [19:51] YES, IT DOES. [19:51] bah [19:51] every single one [19:52] have you ever used windows 3.1? [19:53] You're gonna tell me now that windows 3.1 had animations and you could turn then all off? [19:53] umm? [19:53] s/then/them/ [19:53] urk trying to compile mythtv on slackware64 and its not going well [19:53] I fail to see how windows 3.1 has anything to do with this. :P [19:53] probably because you have not used it [19:54] your point? [19:54] I used windows 3.1 and 3.11 [19:54] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.138) joined ##slackware. [19:54] if you have not used something that old you do not really know what a gui with no animation is [19:54] wow. [19:54] this is hilarious [19:54] lol [19:54] noobfarm anyone? [19:55] :P [19:55] [##slackware] [19:55] please! damn it ill do it [19:55] ahhhh fsck [19:55] lol [19:55] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) [19:55] chopp: AHH, that explains it. :) [19:55] lol [19:57] guys,is secure to run apache with default config file,which load all these modules? [19:57] dchmelik: have we got a date for you [19:57] lol [19:57] dchmelik: gotz a webcam? [19:57] Nick change: caio -> Guest94036 [19:57] fire|bird: done waiting for approval lol [19:58] deco: nice. :) [19:58] these are some animations kde4 has you cannot turn off: at least two animations on the panel, four or five animations in the main menu [19:58] chopp: don't forget speakerz, you know, for sound effects. :P [19:58] lol [19:58] dchmelik: why not just use fluxbox than ? [19:58] dchmelik: you might enjoy windowmaker if those things bother you [19:58] chopp, i do not have a webcam... i do not know why you are saying that [19:59] plain X wms are not so configurable and do not run some programs [19:59] the way i see it is if I was developing something as high a profile as KDE has i sure as heck would not release a build if it caused as much problems as 4 has, it would still be kept under wraps or at least with an alpha or beta label [19:59] dchmelik: Based on what I gather form these comments you classify button down presses and menu extensions/retractions as animations? [19:59] uhhhh....... what the hell is the new framebuffer image on 13.0... something really really bad happened to tux [19:59] If so then fine [20:00] franky that is an imposter [20:00] yes, antiwire, but i am not even talking about buttons--if you even move the mouse on the panel it animates [20:00] frankyp: It's tuz [20:00] frankyp: that has nothing to do with Slackware other than the kernel version it uses. [20:00] ahh. ok [20:00] dchmelik: that's not animation, that is highlighting [20:00] is he supposed to be a wolverine masquerafing as tux? [20:00] it's showing you which button is being hovered over [20:00] some of it is animation... like the popups [20:01] those used to be useful but if they animate it is extremely annoying [20:01] dchmelik: my taskbar description windows do not slide or animate. they pop up [20:01] you mean the tooltips? [20:01] they are not animation either. [20:01] my tooltips do not animate [20:01] I will recordmyfreakingdesktop [20:02] antiwire, what if you move the mouse left or right while a tooltip (or one of those new small versions of the program screen) shows up? [20:02] It switching between the programs [20:02] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [20:02] It's* [20:02] the box it is in will also move--in an animated way [20:02] you know what this is idiotic I'm not arguing over this [20:03] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] I don't classify what I see happening here as animations. [20:03] dchmelik: i'm sorry, you are clueless [20:04] "I'd like to wish a happy birthday to the Internet! Today marks it's 40th birthday!" [20:04] Action: alienBOB is amazed at the utter irrelevance of the discussion at hand [20:04] \o/ [20:04] Pig_Pen: maybe it will have a massive coronary [20:04] I hope not! I am older than the internet [20:04] haha [20:04] lol [20:04] lol [20:04] obama wants to pull the plug on it ;p [20:05] i was 9 years old when the internet was born [20:05] yeah, thrice`, you are in a sorry state if you do not know how animation works so cannot recognize some [20:05] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] dchmelik: seriously, clicking that disables ALL kde4 animations [20:06] i've been on the net since 96 [20:06] 2000 for me [20:06] i been on the net since 1998 [20:06] I got my first Internet from a Prodigy 3.5" disk [20:06] Then I upgradededed [20:06] to 4.0? :P [20:06] compuserv :P [20:06] Reav___ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [20:07] the summer of 1998 i bought my first PC, a gateway with a 400Mhz CPU and 32megs ram with win98 on it [20:07] upgraded to a 5.25" [20:07] I got my first inet connection from a UNIX 3b20 main frame. [20:07] The first thing I ever saw that came through the Interwebz was my local weather. [20:07] and a blazing fast 56k modem [20:07] i was on the net from a 486 running windows 95 [20:07] for me it was the wwf [20:07] with a 28.8kbps [20:07] modem [20:08] spook: yeah that's what I had too 28.8 [20:08] later I got a 286 with some kind of windows on it. probably 3.x and upgraed it to a 386 and thought i was kicking butt. [20:08] but could you turn the animations off [20:09] thrice`, how many frames do you see in the kde4 menu slides, and if it is more than two what is your name for it instead of 'animation?' [20:09] Action: alienBOB alien started with a 1200 baud modem... just to show age [20:09] hehe [20:09] alienBOB: yeah but was that bbs or internet? [20:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:10] BBS at first, and then my first internet subscription right after that [20:10] i am such a noob to some of youz out there [20:10] Pig_Pen: how old are you ? [20:10] alienBOB: same [20:10] 49 [20:10] lol, i'm 21 [20:10] be 50 next april [20:11] spook: me too ! \o/ [20:11] Pig_Pen: hehe [20:11] lol.. this is a safe haven for all of the age groups [20:11] deco: yeah but you're not as cool as me [20:11] spook: hmmm i bet you use a mac [20:11] alienBOB: I had a T1 at work(back in 1991) on the at&t 3b20, but at home i had 1200 baud. to say the least i was spoiled at work. [20:11] you are some younguns, back when us old farts surfed the internet we had to do it up hill both ways in the snow [20:11] deco: nup. [20:11] spook: than you can't be cool [20:12] lol. [20:12] Pig_Pen: bb's ring a bell? [20:12] :P [20:12] bb's ? [20:12] bulletin boards [20:12] bulliten boars [20:12] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] yeah [20:13] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.129.11) joined ##slackware. [20:13] and i cant remember the type of role playing games we used to play, but they were text mode [20:13] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "savIRC - The Cross-Platform IRC Client" [20:13] can't recall the names of some of the games now, most bb's linked or had the games. [20:13] dtanner: naaaaw they were 3D with pixel shaders and normal mapping [20:13] and gopher for browsing. =) [20:13] gopher rocks [20:13] i was not very interested in them, i remember reading some internet forums and after about 6 months of owning a PC i heard about Linux and within a year i was a Linux noob [20:14] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] well that bites [20:15] Nick change: gm152_ -> gm152 [20:15] yeah, i used unix at work and i hated my dos laptop for home and dialing in to the switch, it was a heavy little POS with a 1200 baud modem but it did the job. [20:15] Legend Of The Red Dragon? [20:15] heh [20:15] Tradewares [20:16] Tradewars rather [20:16] I remember the first ime i sent an email to someone overseas (work related) and it was so cool to communicate that way. I was like "this is going to change the world!" [20:16] s/ime/time/ [20:16] heh [20:18] http://imagebin.org/62256 new wallpaper for a new slackware release, same old fvwm2rc [20:19] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:19] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [20:19] same here, i thought email was so cool [20:20] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:20] now i delete so much spam daily i consider email a necessary evil and would choke a known spammer until their face turns blue [20:20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system [20:20] Pig_Pen: *nod* [20:21] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [20:21] fire|bird: and all check out my fluxbox :D [20:21] is that the same as those newsgroups? [20:21] [20:21] http://omploader.org/vMjlzYQ [20:21] damn sorry couldn't past link [20:22] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:22] deco: nice. :) [20:23] fire|bird: thanks :) [20:24] shes working on a robot? is that from some anime video? or just a drawing artwork [20:25] that wallpaper is CGI, not sure if it's from anything though. [20:25] Pig_Pen: just artwork if you want i can send you a link to the wallpaper [20:26] sure [20:26] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [20:26] deco: Is it from a movie or anything or just something someone made? [20:27] fire|bird: no, just someone made it on some art site going to look for the link again [20:27] cool, they did good. [20:28] fire|bird: yea it's amazing [20:28] Pig_Pen: fire|bird http://www.shadowness.com/art/18607 [20:28] wow, that guy's good. [20:29] fire|bird: yeah it's breath taking [20:29] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [20:30] do you guys facebook? [20:31] I do [20:32] we should totally friend each other [20:32] that is some cool artwork deco [20:32] facebook is a menace to the internet just like myspace and flitter and twitter and etc.. [20:32] you mean flickr? [20:32] you can add digg to that list dtanner [20:32] spook: just look for robby. [20:32] thumbs: yeah i have him [20:32] spook: flitter? that's probably some flickr and twitter mash up. :P [20:32] I/m on his list. [20:32] i sent a request to pat but no response yet [20:33] Is facebook the one that required you to be either a student or alumni or a college/uni previous? [20:33] previously* [20:33] thumbs are on my hands. [20:33] antiwire: no [20:33] rob0 is a silly bear [20:34] Pig_Pen: it is :) [20:34] hahaha [20:34] thumbs are on my hands [20:34] hahaha [20:34] you can't share me [20:34] rob0: you've done it again. [20:34] thumbs disagrees, I am sure. [20:34] I just read yesterday that some hosptial uses twitter to keep family, etc. posted as to how surgery on patients is going. This one lady had to have surgery and one of the nurses or whomever twittered updates, 140 or something in 3 hours. [20:35] fire|bird: 0_o [20:35] I only disagree with rob zero [20:35] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:36] alrighty folks... laters [20:36] later Necos [20:37] J4CK (n=DepecheM@adsl190-28-142-96.epm.net.co) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:37] Reav___ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Connection timed out [20:37] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-78-54.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] hello, what would be a logical choice for mouse selection during an install of slack13? [20:38] the default is usually sane [20:38] blkdg: the default is fine [20:38] for a laptop touch pad [20:38] imps2 iirc [20:39] you can make changes later [20:39] mouseconfiger? [20:39] my mom is 74 years old, she has a friend that lives out of state and she uses facebook, and invited my mom to start a facebook account, i told my mom about face book and its potential pitfalls and to not use a real name or address (no real personal info) because of identity theft and targeted advertising, after i got done telling her about it she declined to even sign up with facebook [20:40] my mom's friends all have myspace and facebook accounts and I didn't even tell her about the pitfalls. she rags on them about it herself ;) [20:40] All she wanted me to set up for her was pidgin for aim, msn and yahoo [20:40] she's set [20:40] i chose usbmouse because when i get tired of the touchpad i use the mouse... now my touchpad will not respond to my tapping it for a click, i have to use its buttons [20:41] blkdg: the default is fine [20:41] blkdg: I use a touchpad on my laptop and imps2 or ps2 should be fine. [20:41] ok [20:41] i use a bluetooth mouse alongside my touchpad too [20:41] besides which, for x windows hal should autodetect it [20:41] ok brb [20:42] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:44] btw this thing is fscking rad to see fly http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/09/evergreen-supertanker/ [20:44] the DC-10 was deployed to a fire that was burning near my parents house once too [20:45] it's wild to see them do it [20:46] full moon [20:46] when you them, you'll shit brick bricks [20:47] spook: did you know that your nick and moon both have two o's? [20:47] antiwire: You've seen that flying over CA with the wildfires? I was just reading about that plane a couple days ago. [20:47] fire|bird: yeah [20:47] antiwire: you're tripping me out [20:47] antiwire: sweet. [20:47] fire|bird: I've watched the dc-10 do drops too [20:48] nice, I bet that's some sight to see. [20:48] unfortunate that there's wildfire's though. [20:49] this is an excellent interview of Eric about Slack64: http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7502/1.html [20:49] y0 hitest [20:50] hi fire|bird:) [20:50] so now to find out how to enable exa acceleration [20:50] in X [20:50] dinner time, bbl [20:50] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [20:50] later hitest :) [20:50] later fire|bird:) [20:51] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:52] hi, i am still playing with my laptops touchpad. usb, imps2 and ps2 selections don't let me click from the movement area of the touchpad. any other ideas? [20:52] besides which, for x windows hal should autodetect it [20:52] i am making the changes as root in a term and then leavin x and starting x [20:53] ok, then hal saw it better for 12.2? [20:53] 13.0? [20:53] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-86-0-120-130.nrth.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:53] yes [20:53] josefig (n=JoseFig@189.190.141.15) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:53] hitest: thanks good read [20:53] its all automatic, you shouldnt need an xorg.conf [20:54] spook: I did for mine. HP zv6000 synaptics touchpad. [20:54] during the install of 13, i was asked and i chose usb (i have used two mice side by stide in 12.2) [20:54] fire|bird: i have an HP zv5000 :O [20:54] fire|bird: odd, everything i've used has worked perfectly without the need for an xorg.conf [20:55] but spook what did you choose during the install> [20:55] ? [20:55] spook: yeah, I found it odd too, but I had to use a xorg.conf to get it to work. [20:55] deco: :O [20:55] the default [20:55] deco: cool [20:55] ps2? [20:55] fire|bird: it's ancient , 2001 :P [20:55] deco: hey, it works. :P [20:55] i can't see default on the list. [20:56] there isn't a default named default, it's whatever is highlighted when you first get to that screen. [20:56] fire|bird: yeah :P i've learned everything i know with this [20:56] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:57] ok if i start mouseconfig as root the one that's highlighted is imps2 [20:57] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.199.8) joined ##slackware. [20:57] I'm living with the excitement of configuring slack13 w/ radeon [20:57] which if i select now, and restart x, my touchpad will only respond to the buttons, not clicking on the movement area. [20:58] btw, is leaving x and startx enough to load any mouseconfig changes? [20:58] blkdg: It probably is like mine, that's what I experienced so I had to cofigure tap-to-click myself. [20:58] how fire|bird ? [20:58] terinjokes (i=80e3295b@wikinews/Terinjokes) joined ##slackware. [20:59] heya! i'm interested in installing Slack. is there an iso image to download? [20:59] terinjokes, yes dvd and cd [20:59] blkdg: i'm looking at penn state's FTP mirror, and I can't find it [20:59] terinjokes: /topic -> see urls -> browser of choice. [20:59] blkdg: you may need to create a section in xorg.conf for the extra synaptics options [21:01] ok, i will hunt around [21:01] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] blkdg: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/NnPDlg11.html <---There's my xorg.conf [21:01] looking phoenix^ [21:01] dtanner: torrent's aren't friendly on college campsuses ;D [21:02] Tyrael_ (n=tyrael@c89089.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:02] terinjokes: thats the way things should be [21:02] i don't think there's a non torrent for the iso yet. [21:02] dvd that is. [21:02] yes, there is [21:02] sorry spook [21:03] phoenix^, where did you get the synaptics stuff from? [21:03] blkdg: googling around about how to configure it. [21:03] alien_bob (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:04] blkdg: I've used the synaptic driver for a long time, along with synclient to configure my touchpad [21:04] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [21:04] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:04] antiwire: synclient? Is that in slack or a separate build? [21:04] weird, i never have with any slack until now. [21:04] it's part of slackware 13 now [21:05] cool, I never knew about that. [21:05] /var/log/packages/xf86-input-synaptics-1.1.3-i486-1:usr/bin/synclient [21:06] thumbs: whats your name [21:06] ok,, i ran synclient -l and it looks intresting [21:07] littel girl.. whats your name ... [21:07] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.104.145) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:07] only real music lovers will recognize those lyrics. [21:07] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:07] dtanner: My name is Peggy Sue, I come from Waterloo, how about you? :P [21:08] iiiiii love little girls they make me feel so good [21:08] fire|bird, or phoenix^ do you guys know what this means in synclinet -l ? TapButton1 = 0 [21:08] blkdg: phoenix^ is fire|bird, I'm phoenix^ on my laptop. :) [21:08] spook: Frank [21:08] nice [21:08] and iirc, TapButton1 needs to = 1 [21:09] ok [21:09] thumbs: of montreal? [21:09] so i should edit the xorg.conf? [21:09] spook: yes [21:09] blkdg: Looks like you'll have to, yes. [21:09] thumbs: you dont look like thumbs at all [21:09] surprisingly enough, no. [21:10] thumbs are on my hands and you look nothing like them [21:10] lol [21:10] Action: thumbs gets tired of the joke [21:10] lol [21:10] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:11] thumbs dont get tired, thumbs are on my hands [21:11] antiwire: is tc good at bandwidth management? [21:12] SlackWeird: tc mixed with iproute2 tools is the way [21:12] spook: you work for google? [21:13] yea he does, yardwork. [21:13] he mows the yard at Google HQ? :P [21:13] thumbs: no. [21:13] antiwire: isnt tc iproute2 tool itself? [21:13] fire|bird, there should only be one xorg.conf in /etc/X11 right? [21:13] phoenix^, even worse.. he feeds the squirrels [21:14] hahaha [21:14] i get drunk in a jedi robe and cowboy hats and google shirts [21:14] and look like jesus [21:14] blkdg: yes [21:14] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:14] k [21:14] antiwire: *isnt tc A iproute2 tool itself* [21:14] brb [21:14] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:14] SlackWeird: iproute2 is...yes [21:14] thumbs is on my facebook as well as my hands [21:15] Action: thumbs feels dirty [21:15] heh [21:15] thumbs: you're not french canadian are you? [21:16] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Hello [21:16] again [21:16] heh [21:16] spook: lol [21:16] spook: no. [21:16] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.95.2) joined ##slackware. [21:16] spook: my mother is, but I am not like that. [21:16] thumbs: good. :) [21:16] i found another animation in kde4 you cannot turn off: some stuff in dolphin [21:17] So I copied xorg.conf-vesa over and modified it with some new resolutions and stuff, and put radeonhd as its driver (I just compiled and installed radeonhd), and even after a reboot, it still uses radeon, not radeonhd, wondering if anyone might know why [21:17] dchmelik: dude lol [21:17] fire|bird: his at it again lol [21:17] dchmelik: It's gotten to the point that nobody really cares anymore. [21:19] phoenix^: no that was ages ago [21:19] this is messed up [21:19] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] blkdg: Did it work? [21:20] fatalnix: you renamed it to xorg.conf right ? [21:20] yeah [21:20] i don't understand somthing, no matter what i choose in mouseconfig, when i look at xorg.conf the mouse driver is always ps2 [21:20] im looking right at it [21:20] got Driver "radeonhd" [21:20] worker22 (n=worker@a83-161-252-137.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:20] and i commented it out and chose auto and restarted and no click on control area. [21:20] worker22 (n=worker@a83-161-252-137.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:20] and xorg.conf is in /etc/X11 [21:20] yes [21:20] it's the only one [21:20] I'm pretty sure mouseconfig is configuring gpm...not xorg.conf [21:20] fatalnix: hmmmm weird [21:20] it's called xord.conf-vesa [21:21] yeah, I'd go over to Xorg but they're all sleeping [21:21] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:21] blkdg: xorg.confg-vesa * [21:21] #xorg that is [21:21] and my mouse works in a term, i mean not a term but not x. runlevel 3 [21:21] you know? [21:21] that is i can click on the control area when i am in a non x runlevel [21:22] im looking at the xorg log [21:22] blkdg: you are suppose rename xorg.confg-vesa to xorg.confg [21:22] and i can select text by tapping when i am not in x [21:22] to rename* [21:22] deco, [21:22] really? [21:22] oh [21:22] J4CK (n=DepecheM@adsl190-28-142-96.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:22] It's xorg.conf [21:22] yeah xorg.conf [21:22] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:22] wb thumbs :) [21:22] blkdg: you have to do that so it can take affect [21:23] (II) RADEONHD(0): [DRI] installation complete [21:23] ok, i'm working from a fresh install here, so i wouldn't have expected to rename a file. [21:23] so its loading and stuff, but it says in lsmod that radeon is using dri, not radeonhd... [21:23] here we go [21:23] brb [21:23] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:25] (==) RADEONHD(0): Using AGP 4x [21:25] thats wrong [21:25] my card is 8X [21:25] weird. [21:26] blkdg: a CD iso is fine, i believe [21:26] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] blkdg: i CD iso is fine, i believe [21:26] blkdg: did it work ? [21:26] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] umm, bad fonts, weird resolution, and no click on command area. i don't think renaming that file was a good idea, [21:27] blkdg: x ? [21:27] yes [21:27] barley x [21:27] blkdg: xorg -configure will setup a more proper one [21:28] ok [21:28] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:29] which files do i need? [21:29] is install disc 1 fine (and then install the rest from the net?) [21:30] yes [21:30] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:31] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:32] does slackware come with the exa module? [21:32] blkdg: any luck ? [21:32] ok, i couldn't run the xorg command you gave me so i tried xorgsetup and i got the rsolution back [21:33] blkdg: it's X -configure, not xorg -configure [21:33] but no click on command area [21:33] oh [21:33] fire|bird: oops lol :P [21:33] deco: shame, shame, shame. :P [21:33] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:33] ok [21:33] fire|bird: my x has never giving me trouple in a long time :P [21:33] lol [21:33] neither has mine [21:33] .... [21:33] :) [21:34] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:34] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:34] jesus, when does n00b hour end? [21:34] KDE is fat as Windows XP in the look [21:34] danc3: go to #gentoo in the mean time lol [21:34] deco: why would I want to do that? [21:34] danc3: nvm [21:35] danc3: When the moon isn't Waxing Gibbous (98% of Full) [21:35] has anybody attempted dual head in kde4 under slack 13? [21:35] fire|bird: ok, sounds right [21:35] I prefer a Waning Crescent, myself. [21:36] eviljames: I haven't yet, but could easily try. [21:36] Nick change: brudel -> dr_brudel [21:36] hrm, well, both heads are fired up, but it is in clone mode and xorg.conf can be a mean mistress.. [21:36] eviljames: nvidia? [21:36] ati [21:37] alright, nvidia makes it easy in nvidia-config, sec. [21:37] it's the bipoly [21:37] if possible I'm going to avoid the closed source driver.. [21:37] the bipoly Intel AMD [21:37] nvidia makes everything easy in comparison to ati [21:37] the bipoly ATi Nvidia [21:37] ati suxxors [21:38] eviljames: Is System Settings --> Display any help? [21:38] danc3: no argument from me there. [21:38] fire|bird: it shows that both monitors are currently being treated as one, but no option to change that.. I'm thinking it has to be xorg.conf related. [21:38] spook: is that yes (:29 after) to me? [21:38] eviljames: ok, let me mess around with something a bit. radeon driver? [21:39] yup, radeon driver. [21:39] k [21:39] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [21:39] terinjokes: you asked a question and then didn't pay attention to the answer? [21:40] danc3: sometimes people forget to include a persons nick :) [21:40] true, but he was answered immediately, and didn't bother to notice [21:40] it was obviously to him [21:40] danc3: it wasn't obvious to me [21:40] yeah, I can see that [21:41] terinjokes: perhaps that's related to your problem [21:41] stupid freenode [21:41] paynode [21:41] danc3: some of us, unfortunately, can't devote all our time to watching IRC  i'm used to getting pinged [21:42] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:42] blkdg: working now ? [21:42] ok, x-configure didn't help [21:42] danc3 likes getting "pinged" [21:42] terinjokes: I understand that... BUT... when you ask a question, it's VERY discourteous to NOT pay attention for a minute or two, to see the answers. [21:42] lol [21:42] i ran it as root and then i started x with that config file and no video [21:42] so. [21:42] ... [21:43] what vid card? [21:43] blkdg: did you specify a video driver ? [21:43] blkdg: are you using Slack 13? [21:43] slack 13 [21:43] delete the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and then restart X [21:43] deco, i just ran x-config if din't ask for a card [21:43] xorg.conf is not needed any longer [21:43] blkdg, what's your video card [21:44] blkdg: what video cards is listed ? [21:44] card* [21:44] doesn't matter what his video card is. xorg.conf is not needed. [21:44] danc3, a few minutes ago deople told me to take my xorg.conf-vesa and to rename it. [21:44] danc3: i completely agree, unfortunately something came up in the RL [21:44] danc3: i need it still for my nvidia card [21:44] it's an ati 3200 [21:44] deco: no you don't. I use nvidia also, no file needed [21:44] i still use xorg.conf [21:44] danc3: i need to specify my special options for the nv driver [21:45] deco: what "special options" are those? [21:45] blkdg: did you see what I suggested? [21:45] danc3: to get 24bit color depth [21:45] jesus [21:45] deco: nope [21:45] one sec [21:45] 1 [21:45] I have it here, no file needed [21:45] dgc_ (n=dgc_@189.71.234.142) joined ##slackware. [21:45] terinjokes (i=80e3295b@wikinews/Terinjokes) left irc: "Page closed" [21:46] danc3:i don't so i had make a xorg.conf to add that [21:46] Guest94036 (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [21:46] i need it so i use it [21:46] ok deleting file and restarting [21:46] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:46] danc3: we all have our way of doing things [21:46] heh [21:46] danc3 is the only right way [21:46] yeah. Those of you who do it wrong, have the problems. [21:46] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:46] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:46] i don't have problems [21:46] superGear: what do you need the file for? [21:46] If i do i google [21:47] danc3 is all knowing we must do what he says [21:47] deco: pretty much correct [21:47] I use dual monitors [21:47] although you don't have to do what I say, if you want your stuff to not work. [21:47] it doesn't work correctly, FOR ME, w/o conf [21:47] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [21:48] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:48] deco, done [21:48] blkdg: what's done? [21:48] blkdg: everything good ? [21:48] is it working? [21:48] i rm the xorg.conf file that i made and restarted x [21:48] the resolution is finr [21:48] and....? [21:48] blkdg: :D [21:48] well, whattya know [21:48] gee [21:48] but the mouse is still not working [21:48] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:48] that's my problem [21:49] blkdg: is it a USB mouse? [21:49] i cant tap from the control area and have it resopnd [21:49] touchpad [21:49] you need an xorg.conf for synaptics [21:49] blkdg: try this, as root: modprobe psmouse [21:49] blkdg: oh the touch tap is disabled by default [21:49] huh since when? [21:49] blkdg: new x [21:49] 13 [21:49] cool. [21:49] grr [21:50] why load the mosule? [21:50] blame danc3 [21:50] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [21:50] danc3, why load that module? [21:50] all you need to add is the synaptics section into a bare-bones xorg.conf [21:50] blkdg: many touchpads use that module, it may not be loaded [21:50] fire|bird (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Those who do not feel pain seldom think that it is felt." Dr. Samuel Johnson"). [21:50] blkdg: do what mancha said [21:51] psmouse is loaded in lsmod and used by 0 [21:51] no no no do what danc3 says [21:51] do what you want blkdg :D [21:51] i think some synaptics-pads work in baseic form using psmouse as danc3 said. it depends on whether you want/need full touchpad functionality (accel, scrolling, tapping) [21:51] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.104.145) joined ##slackware. [21:51] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Time is 6:51pm, computer has been up for 2w 9h 17m 28s [21:51] gay [21:51] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [21:52] Wed Sep 2 19:51:59 MDT 2009 [21:53] dgc_ (n=dgc_@189.71.234.142) left irc: "Leaving" [21:53] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:53] PST > MDT [21:53] 19:53:19 up 22:01, 2 users, load average: 0.68, 0.65, 0.75 [21:53] MDT > PDT [21:53] PST? Arizona? [21:53] screw PDT! [21:54] if you was PST you'd be at the same time i am at [21:54] ahh, stupid daylight savings [21:54] california [21:54] the state everyone wishes they could afford to be in! [21:54] not hardly [21:54] I wish you would keep your smoke to yourself [21:54] the land of fruits and nuts [21:54] deco, if the module is already loaded, how do i inable touch tap? i don't follow your answer [21:55] California is PDT. MDT-2=PST. [21:55] what smoke ?!?1 [21:55] smog ? [21:55] LA fire [21:55] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) joined ##slackware. [21:55] jeev, seriously [21:55] ahh [21:55] blkdg: what mancha said you have to add a section for it on xorg.conf [21:55] what thrice` [21:55] blkdg, ok, listento danc3 [21:55] Action: andarius has no desire to be in california [21:56] andarius: you wish :P [21:56] wish what? [21:56] jeev: not great, but how about "18:55:36 up 80 days, 1:17, 3 users, load average: 1.15, 0.99, 0.81" [21:56] California can burn to the ground [21:56] to not be in cali? you ar eright [21:56] no wonder the economy in CA sucks, if admins like jeev are running the show [21:56] alisonken1home.. [21:56] thrice`: lol [21:56] 6:51PM up 274 days, 6:41, 1 user, load averages: 0.08, 0.06, 0.01 [21:56] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:56] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) joined ##slackware. [21:56] my friend's box which he retired was up over 2000 das [21:56] days [21:56] blk, try this: cp /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ [21:56] jeev is an admin to where? [21:56] mancha, the mod is already there. [21:56] superGear, my own stuffs [21:56] his moms PC, etc [21:57] yea, my moms pc.. thrice`'s mom's vagina [21:57] you know.. [21:57] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [21:57] lol [21:57] blkdg, you added a section to xorg.conf? scratch that, let's do this danc3's way and just co that file i mentioned. [21:57] jeev: will you just be quiet, please [21:57] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] co=cp [21:57] I was going to make a joke about that no longer working, but it's my mom, so :| weird [21:57] yeah jeev no talking in a chatroom [21:57] we'll leave the xorg.conf as a last resort measure for now...so nuke xorg.conf [21:58] the only xorg file i have on my fresh install is called xorg.conf-vesa [21:58] superGear: this isn't a "chat room", n00b [21:58] eh [21:58] support room [21:58] and when i load that you guys told me to get rid of it. [21:58] superGear: strike two [21:58] so. i;m lost [21:58] IRC [21:58] blk, did you cp the file i told you? [21:58] good guess, n00b [21:58] wait [21:58] internet relay chat [21:58] i see what you wrote. [21:58] this is starting to look like an ubuntu channel [21:58] oh this is for chat [21:59] deco: no shit [21:59] friggin noob hour in full force [21:59] yeah i'm a noob to IRC [21:59] you must be [21:59] my first time here [21:59] heh [21:59] danc3 is an ass [21:59] what's for chat? [21:59] heh [21:59] so since I'm a noob how do i ignore [22:00] IRC stands for Internet Relay Chat [22:00] watch out for netsplits!!! [22:00] get your serf boards ready! [22:00] netsplits are when the internet's tectonic plates growl and rip and burn and the internet splits in half. [22:00] very common on irc. [22:00] What is a netsplit? [22:00] I just explained it... [22:01] the internet splits into two! [22:01] I'm a noob i need to know [22:01] superGear: too many users on a specific server, so the servers split the load - IOW mucho switching of users [22:01] blkdg ? [22:01] rhys (n=rhys@dialup-4.253.113.113.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit [22:01] it doesnt have to be too many users [22:02] So this is where i get Ubuntu help? [22:02] the server I'm usually on likes to fail on some keepalives [22:02] superGear: I think you need to read topic [22:02] superGear: way to troll. [22:02] Action: andarius is begining to think the average person lacks the ability to learn without being directly told... [22:02] i be kidding, not trollin ;P [22:02] andarius its true [22:02] mancha, the file is copied [22:03] okay restart X now [22:03] andarius: thats not true. They simply need motivation [22:03] but yeah supergear, I'm not kidding when the internet splits [22:03] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:03] oh no a got a versioned [22:03] it goes BAM! owned! [22:03] s/a/i [22:03] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:04] IRC is amazing. the rules on irc are, to stay logged in for as long as you can with out timing out on ping replies. [22:04] and being active all of the time [22:04] andarius: When I get users answering to "What did you do?" "Nothing! I swear!" I open up spacemonger, find where the porn videos are by space used, and threaten to tell their wife if they aren't honest with me. [22:04] and only saying a word once every three days. [22:04] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left ##slackware ("Gone to do something useful!"). [22:04] mancha, nothing's changed [22:05] don't take that part seriously, thats just what most people do [22:05] :D [22:05] i cp'd the file, and left x, startx and no change [22:05] fatalnix: and you can only pick from a handful of acronyms. RTFM, STFU, GTFO [22:05] LOL [22:06] hi people [22:06] we are not people [22:06] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:06] blkdg i am sorta doing this blind, can you pastebin the contents of /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi [22:07] welcome aboard super gear [22:07] yup one sec mancha [22:07] stay awhile, let me take that jacket for you and hang it up [22:07] :) [22:08] So on my phone I have PDFs of "Practice of Network and System Administrators," "Learning Vi and Vim Editors 7th Edition," and "Regex: Mastering Regular Expressions." [22:08] Here in slackware you can get help and talk with all of the other newbs. and if peter comes in, you must bow to him. any questions? [22:08] I am going to be something reallly dangerous one day. [22:08] PRAISE TO THE BENEVOLENT DICTATOR! [22:08] lol [22:09] Action: fatalnix roflcopters [22:09] i have Midnight Commander for dummies :D [22:09] Action: deco shoots down the roflcopter [22:09] mancha, http://pastebin.ca/1552232 [22:09] Pig_Pen: File managers? pfft. I never saw a use for them until I started running Dolphin. 2 Pane AND Tabs!! [22:09] man 7: how to grep a cat for loose change, a free pet mouse, and that automobile you always wanted from down the road. [22:10] rhys: pfft file managers are overated [22:10] I am hyped on sugar. [22:10] bash is ma fm [22:10] deco: I almost entirely agree. I never needed anything cept a terminal. But Dolphin actually is useful. [22:10] use it wisely. [22:10] Instead of getting in the way. [22:11] rhys: bloatware :P fluxbox for me [22:11] never used dolphinb [22:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:11] and hey it comes with slackware [22:11] ew. [22:11] I do not liek dolphin [22:11] much [22:12] deco: I was on your side when I had an Athlon Barton Core. But 4gb of DDR2 ram is 30$. I cant agree with you anymore. [22:12] it is gui. [22:12] sigh. [22:12] Thunar [22:12] ok blkdg, that is a skeleton, do you see the things? anything inside a pair of those is a comment [22:12] i tried dolphin and watched it choke and lock up, not even really launch the window, then ten minutes later about 5 instances of ip open up all at once [22:12] There is something to functionality minimalism. But not based on performance. [22:12] I need 4 gb of ddr1 dual channel [22:12] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:12] /s/ip/it [22:13] my chipset holds up to 16 gigs of ram but my bios doesnt [22:13] Pig_Pen: Yea, that was KDE 4.1. I couldn't use it. .2 and .3 are much nicer. [22:13] ddr1... [22:13] I have ddr1 in mine. [22:13] and superGear, bash is better than thunar. Most gui file managers are useless. [22:13] no, this was slack-13 with 4.2.x [22:13] i have ddr2 :( [22:13] just the other day [22:13] do not dis ddr1! SDRAM is fast too! [22:13] my servers use sdram, its not THAT bad [22:13] mancha, and? [22:14] i need to upgrade [22:14] and get ddr3 [22:14] blkdg, right under that true [22:14] it was probably compiz or those desktop effects, i did not feel like mucking around with it and got rid of it [22:14] some people think oh ddr2 is much faster! sure, but my servers don't need it lol [22:14] i see Maximum movement of the finger for detecting a tap [22:14] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:14] DDR2 is cheaper than DDR1 isn't it? [22:14] 3ddesktop is cool [22:14] since DDR1 is about dead [22:14] with one line for each old synaptics config verstion you had working before [22:15] why would ddr2 be cheaper? [22:15] You can't call bloatware anymore when 500$ gets you a quad core box with nearly enough ram to just copy / to a ramdisk. Unless you just run echo /dev/urandom > /dev/null to make the other 3 cores a space heater. [22:15] fatalnix, less demand for DDR1 [22:15] I guess., [22:15] there isnt much difference between them [22:15] I've never had a problem with ddr1 heh [22:15] the option is VertEdgeScroll (change that to be the other options you want, etc) [22:16] my video card uses ddr2 [22:16] do you grok the xml syntax yet from my example merge key line? [22:16] forget supporting the hardware industry in buying new crap every 6 months, i am going to start making this last longer even if it means running lightweight window mangers [22:16] Total Free: 7582253343.33 GB/1845.13 GB [22:16] I've never had a problem with DDR1 but DDR2 is better [22:16] I'm the man [22:16] well Dual chan DDR2 is better [22:16] yeh, but in the long run as a workstation it makes no difference [22:16] unless you're working with memory hogs [22:16] so you'll have however many such in linux, it REALLY doesnt matter lol [22:16] firefox! [22:17] firefox needs to work in svga mode NOW. [22:17] i run windows at times (for games) [22:17] I run games in linux fine [22:17] toastytoast and I were playing FEAR [22:17] :) [22:17] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." [22:17] mancha, why do i want to add vert edge scroll, or do i want to un commment all of those? [22:17] i have a few windows only, hates wine games [22:18] Pig_Pen: I am running an AMD single core 3800+. I haven't bought new hardware in 4 years or so. This was given to me. And if I have a netbook I will run a tiling window manager. But on your full home desktop? [22:18] blkdg, those are just some examples they put in the skeleton file...you want a list of your own [22:18] blkdg: it makes your touchpad work like the scroll wheel on a mouse when you slide your finger along the edge [22:18] my mouse does work like a scrool wheel along the edge right now alisonken1home [22:18] Hell, the only reason I want to buy a new box is because it has been 4 years, and I can paralize my FLAC->MP3 bash script for when I sync my phone. [22:19] i can't tap in the control area [22:19] for example, if you want an accel factor of .3: 0.015 [22:19] ok - just answering your q about vertical edge scroll [22:19] for example, if you want an accel factor of .3: 0.3 [22:19] eek [22:19] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [22:19] WB fire|bird [22:19] alisonken1home, mancha what do i use for tap ? [22:19] thanks superGear [22:19] TapButton1 TapButton2 and TapButton3 [22:19] are you using the synaptics driver for the touchpad in xorg.conf? [22:20] i just installed 13 , and i have never played with this in a previous installation of slack [22:20] sample for tapbutton2: 2 [22:20] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:20] mancha, where are you getting this info? [22:21] like shouldn't this be in a read me for this relsease [22:21] or like a hint [22:21] AAAAAAAA [22:21] dammit. [22:21] ray__ (n=ray@pool-71-164-173-129.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] blkdg the different is here HAL (our good pal) is autosensing and making the tochpad use synaptics, so you have to provide HAL with policy rules [22:21] ray__ (n=ray@pool-71-164-173-129.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:21] blkdg I know HAL policy format and also synaptics parameters, so i am putting 2+2=4 [22:21] did i miss the big neon sigh telling us about our new friend? [22:22] and how it screws touchpad users? [22:22] HAL's been around for a while, you might not have realized. the difference is now HAL deals with input devices for xorg :) [22:22] yeah! [22:22] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:22] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) joined ##slackware. [22:23] you can shut that off and use the old method of an xorg.conf if editing a policy fdi is not to your liking [22:23] it's the same end result, though [22:23] i have never seen this fdi policy stuff [22:23] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] it just seems like i'm missing the boat. [22:24] well i have given you enough examples to construct all the merge lines you need now [22:24] just determine which synaptics options you want and make a merge line for each [22:24] blkdg: it's been availble on a lot of distros for yours but slackware just started using it :) [22:24] years* [22:24] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:24] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:24] thanks mancha [22:24] no problemo [22:26] xml is sort of shitty to parse for some, but once you grok the html'ish format you can edit quickly. you might never like xml though [22:26] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] i looked at the end of that file i copied, and i flipped through the man page for synaptics as it suggested. [22:27] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [22:27] There is an example hal policy file in ${sourcecode}/fdi/11-x11-synaptics.fdi which will enable the driver based on the information if the hardware is available. Feel free to copy it to /etc/hal/fdi/policy and customize it [22:30] anyone tried upgrading to KDE 4.3 yet? [22:32] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [22:32] yep, i'm on it currently [22:32] thrice: how did you upgrade? [22:32] Action: rworkman is building 4.3.1 now :) [22:33] omnipotentduo: vbatts created 64-bit packs [22:33] what's the name of the package so i can get back in 4.3 [22:33] are you on 64-bit? [22:33] about the time you get it built 4.3.2 will be released [22:33] yes i am [22:34] is rworkman building 4.3.1 for himself or everybody ;P [22:34] Just for me; sorry [22:34] vbatts does good work. [22:34] so should i just compile it? [22:34] I had to bump qt to get arora working properly :( [22:35] bumped how far? [22:35] 4.5.2 [22:35] To the git stuff? [22:35] ah [22:35] no [22:35] omnipotentduo: http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/ [22:36] too bad no 32bit kde 4.3 :/ [22:36] thrice`: thanks for the "--exclude-from=FILE" hint earlier. Worked like it should with my rsync scripts, and for mirror-slackware-current also. :) [22:36] for slack [22:36] chopp: awesome :) [22:36] superGear: build it yourself, it's not that hard. :P [22:36] I'm too dumb to build kde :P [22:37] I know, but thought I'd suggest anyway. :P [22:37] lol [22:37] "i'm too dumb" "i know" [22:37] pawned [22:37] wouldn't i need a clean system anyways [22:37] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:37] firedix (n=firedix@host44.200-117-60.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:37] fire|bird pawned me :( [22:37] he got 2 dollars [22:37] firedix_ (n=firedix@200.117.60.44) joined ##slackware. [22:38] firedix_ (n=firedix@200.117.60.44) left irc: Client Quit [22:38] Action: chopp looks around for the parrot [22:38] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:38] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_sleep [22:38] omnipotentduo: if you use those 4.3.1, I think you will need "soprano" from the 4.3.0 directory [22:39] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.199.8) left irc: "leaving" [22:39] hey, i found the neon sigh: [22:40] sign * ? [22:40] If you are using input hotplugging via HAL and a synaptics touchpad, then you might need to copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and edit it to suit your needs. You can also usesynclient(1) to make changes "on the fly." [22:40] sign [22:40] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/touchpad-doesnt-click-anymore-after-updating-to-current-732251/ [22:41] ok, thanks agian [22:41] agian [22:41] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:42] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:42] The path to copy from is wrong (alkos333 mailed me today), but I guess anyone who can't figure out to go one more directory down the tree isn't going to be too successful at configuring the touchpad anyway. [22:43] harryirene (n=gapinski@adsl-99-56-189-175.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] pssh! [22:44] xxjx (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: "zzzz" [22:44] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [22:45] rworkman: did you see mentioned of 2 new deps for xfce 4.8 :( [22:46] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:47] thrice`: yes :/ [22:47] oh boy which deps? [22:47] I'm hoping they'll be "build from git" only deps, as they're docs related [22:47] to build docs or something. kinda silly :> [22:47] Ideally, generated docs will be shipped by the tarballs. [22:47] darn I was hoping one was PAM [22:48] I think PK will need Pam to work well :> don't worry, it'll come [22:48] You can trust that I'll be encouraging tarballs that include already-made docs :) [22:48] :) [22:49] /exit [22:49] damn lol [22:49] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:50] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] y0 slackers...How's everyone? [22:50] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:50] g00d [22:50] y0h y0h y0h [22:51] tired, hungry :P [22:51] good:) [22:51] heh [22:51] we was doing good till you joined! [22:51] j/k [22:51] OOhh Snap. [22:51] h0y h0y h0y,jeev [22:51] superGear was telling us how much he loves his jessica simpson cd [22:51] rhys (n=rhys@dialup-4.253.113.113.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [22:52] during an installation, when it asks you which startup services to run, do any of those choices affect HAL ? [22:52] besides HAL [22:52] Yes. [22:52] messagebus is a good oen to keep [22:52] dbus is required. [22:52] Action: MLanden hands a pillow and sammie to agentc0re [22:53] Action: agentc0re eats the pillow [22:53] well there goes my hunger.. [22:53] if i removed the pcima one would that be the reason my touchpad is not playing nice? [22:53] :P [22:53] Action: rworkman is having chips, extra-hot salsa, and beer. :) [22:53] blkdg: no [22:53] blkdg: nope, definitely not [22:53] Action: MLanden closes eyes to what happens to the sammie..X_X [22:53] ag3ntugly (n=x@24.32.2.231) joined ##slackware. [22:53] MLanden: It gets used as a pillow. :) [22:54] rworkman: It's probably going to end up being a bad idea later, but i'm only having beer. [22:54] hehe [22:54] good to hear,fire|bird..:D [22:54] I'm not sure what's worse though... :) [22:54] Beer shits, or beer+jalapeno shits. [22:54] i need a better domain registrar, godaddy is gay [22:55] sounds great,hitest [22:55] whole day was non stop... you know those day's that just drain you dry? Where you miss breakfast and don't eat lunch until 3:30pm.... [22:55] agentc0re: those are the days that I change by telling someone to 'fuck off' while I go eat. [22:55] would truly be the devil down in the bellows,rworkman..:D [22:55] MLanden: that's what my wife says :D [22:56] vasuvi (n=vasuvi__@pool-71-113-72-231.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] rworkman: i wish i could have... co-worker took the day off because i have the next two off.. Which is good so today is really over.. But we also installed a new phone system and good lord.... it's been quite the job to get everything done right. [22:56] ah yes [22:56] Plus today was the day Got Junk folks came by. They said "we'll be there at 2pm" and came right as i was leaving for lunch.. [22:57] that's what threw it off. [22:57] rworkman: lol [22:57] which was at noon. [22:57] See, they would have been the proud recipients of some junk known as "you'll have to fucking wait" [22:57] rworkman: heh. [22:57] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:57] rworkman: lol [22:58] psyber (n=psyber@pool-71-240-141-6.hrbgpa.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] Seriously, unless one of them was hot *and* offering sexual favors, in which case you take her to lunch with you, it's just not worth it. [22:59] worker22 (n=worker@a83-161-252-137.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Client Quit [22:59] rworkman: You know, i really should have done that. But they would have left and charged us for the visit. So i just sucked it up, told them what they interrupted.. not that they cared and started piling up all the shit together. Because, i was going to do that after lunch. [22:59] harryirene (n=gapinski@adsl-99-56-189-175.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:00] rworkman: ya, two dudes, one truck. not hot, and not the porn i wanna see. [23:00] vasuvi (n=vasuvi__@pool-71-113-72-231.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:02] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:02] anybody know of big issues with kde4 and dual head? [23:04] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [23:04] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] winstonw (n=winstonw@24.245.62.24) left irc: "leaving" [23:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0KvS1otHIo&feature=sub pure awesome. now i know what i need to do to all my users. :P [23:04] and then leave for lunch. [23:05] haha [23:05] [23:06] ; [23:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:07] hi , i added true 1 1 to both usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi and to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi when i startx my touch pad sill does not respond to clicks. help [23:07] antiwire: dude. check this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0KvS1otHIo&feature=sub [23:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:07] i some of that advice came from this # and from http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/touchpad-doesnt-click-anymore-after-updating-to-current-732251/ but it's not working. [23:09] lol [23:09] lol,agentc0re [23:09] MLanden: :D [23:10] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] anyone know if its safe to disable mysql in slackware 13 ? or does kde need it ? [23:11] what the? disable mysql??... i always shutdown mysql ... i only run it when i need it [23:12] laters, sleepytime [23:12] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:12] you're telling me that kde4 needs mysql always running now? [23:13] thats what it looks like , but maybe i am reading the kde 4.2 docs wrong [23:13] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:13] thanks... if your right, then i'm definitely sticking with xfce [23:14] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:14] corte (n=corte@cpe-024-074-144-179.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] So how does one get the volume +/-/mute buttons to work in xfce? Is there a specific tool for that under xfce? [23:14] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-66-29-239.mem.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] antiwire: I'm sure you'll like this. it's about the moon and if it was gone. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=648E722EA9CEF282 [23:14] does the x server restart with a startx ? [23:15] blkdg if x is already running then startx will not work [23:15] its' dead, jim. [23:15] i always kill x with control + alt + backspace [23:15] then rerun startx [23:16] antiwire: i used the references from the olpc project for assistance http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Xfce_keybindings [23:16] or you can just log off [23:16] I have major issue: I installed bind-9.4.3_P3-i486-1_slack12.1.tgz as an upgrade to the bind 9.4.1 on slack 12.1 now bind will not respond to querys. get error message back that Name server failed [23:16] antiwire thats why i stick with kde because all my volume buttons just work , if there is a way to get them to work with xfce i will switch [23:16] antocore oops not antiwire , [23:17] agentcore , cant read tonight [23:17] or write :) [23:17] psyber: that's nice, considering I moved from kde4 to xfce right now after using kde4 since it was added to -current... [23:17] that too [23:17] kde3 is still in /extras on the slackware [23:17] i got my buttons to work in Xfce using some guide on the net [23:18] do you happen to have that link ? [23:18] chazbro: no it is not. kde3 compat libs are there. [23:18] let me see [23:18] Action: chazbro goes and doublechecks [23:18] Can't someone ask a question about xfce without half the GD channel startup about kde? [23:19] psyber, are you trying to control the xfce mixer, or just asla? [23:19] I'm well aware of what kde3 and kde4 do. I have used kde4 since it was added to -current. [23:19] alsa [23:20] haha, http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/For-Better-or-Worse--56621067.html [23:20] wsp4th , did you restart bind after the upgrade ? [23:20] dang your right [23:20] yes [23:20] ... [23:20] lol,fire|bird [23:20] i have even tryed rebooting box [23:20] tried* [23:20] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [23:21] well thats one way to get out of a marriage [23:21] Action: chazbro growls at not having kde3 to fall back on [23:21] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] wait i just thought of something... brb [23:22] psyber, i can't seem to find the link, but all i believe i did was use xev to determine the keycodes of my special buttons, add the keys to xmodmap, then use xbindkeys to bind them to the action [23:22] psyber: lol, yeah, one way. :P [23:22] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:22] fire|bird is going to jail [23:22] corte see also showkeys, and loadkeys [23:22] maybe no final s [23:23] wow thats sad that guy is from near me [23:23] oh well... i guess i'll just have to make the most of xfce :p [23:23] psyber, maybe something like this will work for you: http://www.astahost.com/info.php/Hotkeys-Keyboard-Quick-Launch-Keys-Linux_t1813.html [23:23] superGear: ? [23:23] (about fire|bird) [23:24] thanks [23:25] guess its high time to give arch linux a go [23:25] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [23:25] as a single tear rolls down my cheek [23:25] i've been very pleased with arch's documentation and community--it's helped me solve a lot of slack problems [23:26] antiwire: my volume buttons don't work in xfce either. I'm trying to find how to fix that. [23:26] fire|bird you ok? [23:26] yeah, why? [23:26] :P [23:26] fire|bird: I've got it now [23:26] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:26] a rumor [23:26] a few lines up [23:26] antiwire: What got it working? [23:26] yeah [23:26] Quiznos: that's not a rumor, that's just superGear. :P [23:26] i'll write it down in a minute [23:27] then it's a rumor [23:27] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) joined ##slackware. [23:27] tea4me (n=tea4me@207-172-72-100.c3-0.hdp-ubr1.sbo-hdp.ma.cable.rcn.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] Dunosana (i=477148e7@gateway/web/freenode/x-xospdhrsqioswsce) joined ##slackware. [23:27] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] moning all [23:27] Nick change: dive^ -> dive [23:27] hi [23:27] mornin',dive^ [23:28] nope wasnt the issue... thought maybe the libraries in the chroot didnt get updated [23:28] rworkman, are you going to upload 4.3.1 packages somewhere? [23:28] morning dive, how are you? [23:28] Is there much practical difference between Dropline GNOME and GSB? [23:28] dchmelik: No, he said earlier that they were for personal use. [23:28] fire|bird, in need of coffee :-) Yourself? [23:28] ok, i plan to compile it too [23:28] dive: doing great, thank you. [23:28] Slackware 13's default kernel is set to a timer frequency of 1000 HZ (compared to 250 HZ by default in 12.2). Doom 3 and Quake 4 now run a LOT slower for some reason (reverting to 250 HZ fixes the problem), but I'm wondering: 1. Does anyone else have this problem? 2. Does anyone know of a reason why 1000 HZ timer causes this? [23:29] http://pastebin.com/m455fd200 is the error im getting [23:29] Dunosana: the main difference is dropline recompiles base slackware packages as i686, where gsb just does slackbuilds for gnome [23:29] and, of course, the themes :) [23:30] alisonken1home: Actually, that may be another way to decide; is Dropline 64-bit ready? ;) [23:30] blackorca: yeah [23:30] Dunosana: since I stopped using Gnome about 3 years ago, who cares? :) [23:30] fire|bird: This is what I did: http://i30.tinypic.com/2qb4qcy.png [23:31] blackorca fewer cycles for app to run in? but it shouldnt know that [23:31] wow, nothing like physically upgrading a laptop display to go from 1024x768 to 1400x1050 [23:31] alisonken1hone: Heh, I'll just go check their website [23:31] blackorca: you're going to get a more 'responsive' desktop out of it, but processing big data is going to be slower [23:31] antiwire: cool, thanks. [23:31] Dunosana: at any rate, Pat recommends GSB over Dropline. He just mentions dropline as an alternative [23:32] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:32] fire|bird: If you add the mixer object to the taskbar it will let you see the volume level and if it is muted too [23:32] blackorca: what I would do is build your own kernel with a lower freq and just boot from that when you want to play quake or doom [23:32] (ps quake in linux? lemme see...) [23:32] dartmouth, I have a pretty powerful system (AMD Athlon II 64 X2, NVIDIA 9800 GTX+, 4GB Ram). You still think it would cause this? [23:32] yeah [23:32] more than likely [23:32] alisonken1home: Ah, good to know! [23:32] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [23:32] antiwire: yeah, have that added already. I have my xfce desktop all customized, just couldn't get the volume buttons working, and those are nice to have. [23:33] dartmouth, The only problem is Enemy Territory: Quake Wars "requires" a kernel with 1000 HZ :( [23:33] wtf? [23:33] what business does quake have requiring a kernel timer freq? [23:33] do I detect a dual-boot kernel hz war about to erupt? [23:33] fire|bird: just use the commands in my screenshot and for each one you should just need to press the corresponding button when the shortcut tool asks for the sequence. [23:34] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.181) joined ##slackware. [23:35] antiwire: yup, just did that, works great too. thank you. [23:35] fire|bird: awesome [23:35] dartmouth, from the README: "Important System requirements: You need a low latency kernel for optimal performance. Make sure your kernel is configured with CONFIG_HZ_1000=y. You should also enable other low latency settings, such as the various preemption settings." [23:35] blackorca: i wonder if there's a way for you to 'spoof' your timer frequency ... [23:35] dartmouth, it doesn't require it, but from my testing, it runs a lot smoother with 1000 HZ/preempt [23:36] fire|bird: do you know how I can make the interface shade windows when I double click their title bars instead of maximize/minimize? [23:36] eh, i just leave mine at voluntary preemption [23:36] antiwire: Umm, not of hand, let me check something. [23:36] s/of/off/ [23:37] fire|bird: doh i got it [23:37] antiwire: in compiz? yeah thats what mine does [23:37] antiwire: lol, ok. :) [23:37] dartmouth: you are out of your element. [23:37] really? [23:37] fire|bird: It was in Window Manager, I just over looked the setting. [23:37] you sure? :P [23:37] dartmouth: I'm not even talking about compiz... [23:38] so yeah, really. [23:38] ##Politics is a nest of perverts discussing perversions continually. [23:38] http://s294.photobucket.com/albums/mm100/cpunches/xfce-compiz.png [23:38] antiwire: cool. Have you enabled compositing with it yet? Not a ton of options like kde, but still nice. [23:38] what a disappointment [23:38] oh ok, because i thought you were talking about xfce. [23:38] (see pic) [23:38] xfce != compiz [23:38] dartmouth: I'm talking about xfce, not compiz. [23:38] .... [23:38] dartmouth, do you have any idea if I can have CONFIG_HZ_250=y AND CONFIG_HZ_1000=y set together in the kernel config? (setting CONFIG_HZ=250 as well) [23:38] eh, everyone is welcome to limit their system, i guess. [23:38] blackorca nop [23:39] blackorca: uhhh no. [23:39] limit my system? [23:39] I didn't think so, haha [23:39] limit the system? dartmouth, you been sniffing paint fumes? [23:39] but i imagine you might you might can pass some boot params :P [23:40] Action: dartmouth does the 'superior desktop environment' dance [23:40] s/superior desktop environment/idiot/ [23:40] How is not wanting to enable compositing limiting my system? [23:40] Action: dartmouth goes and dances with the other idiots who also know how to make things look good while still being useful [23:41] I want to know why choosing to keep compositing turned off is limiting my system. [23:41] besides, xfce has it's own compositing, subtle, but nice, not everyone wants wobbly windows and spinning cubes. [23:41] indeed [23:42] I don't have spinning cubes or wobbly windows [23:42] ...and still no answer to my question. [23:42] good, then go on with your desktop and leave us alone. [23:43] just a kick*** set of hotkeys and mouse gestures, with windows that are not borishly ugly, and have ample desktop space that I can actually visually work with instead of keeping little footnotes in my head about where I left stuff... [23:43] antiwire: It's because he doesn't have an answer because he knows his respons was stupid. [23:43] SPEAKING OF WHICH.... [23:43] response* [23:43] dartmouth: you and dchmelik would get along great. :) [23:44] well, im perfectly fine accepting the fact that even when I'm so so right here, I'm wrong. :P [23:44] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:44] I'm rather entertained by it. [23:44] haha [23:44] How in the heck are you right? Each person likes their system the way THEY want it, there is no right or wrong. [23:44] what makes a desktop usefull is dependant on the person using it... [23:45] andarius: exactly [23:45] excuse me, I'm still 'lol'ing [23:45] dartmouth: So your shear opinion on compositing making your own system more usable for you is something that can be deemed right or wrong for others? [23:45] an example.. comiz is useless for me therefore a waste [23:45] alright, maybe, with any luck, you'll lol yourself right on offline. [23:45] for some it does have usefull features [23:46] andarius: yeah it does come with alot of crap [23:47] but yeah, if i wanted barebones i'd still be using ion3. the desktop really is what you make out of it, I have to agree with that, but as long as we have the 'desktop environment' concept, there will be classic concepts that work better than others. [23:48] that was an amazing job right there. you managed to type a whole bunch of text and say nothing at all. [23:48] and 'compositing' was never mentioned, you just read what you are used to arguing against-- unintentional straw man. [23:48] good job [23:48] np [23:49] (2009-09-02 20:36:57) dartmouth: antiwire: in compiz? yeah thats what mine does <--what do you use compiz for if you don't use compositing? [23:50] dude you are way too pissed off about this [23:50] lol [23:50] http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1678 [23:50] dartmouth, oh yeah, here's the weird thing, even with 1000 HZ, doom 3/quake 4 run excellent under wine [23:50] dartmouth: I'm not pissed off. I just see you talking in circles which confuses me. [23:50] Dominian: hahahahaha [23:51] lol [23:51] Action: Dominian knows how to throw a monkey wrench into an argument :) [23:51] dartmouth, 16AA&AF ultra quality, 60+ FPS nearly constant in wine, whereas native, haha, 20-50 FPS fluctuating constantly [23:51] Dominian: How's it going? [23:51] fire|bird: going ok [23:51] blackorca: that's...really weird [23:51] finally got my "Slackawre blog for the people" started woot [23:51] chrispunches arguing.....no can't be :P [23:52] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [23:52] Dominian: orly? link? [23:52] agentc0re: sligg.slackadelic.com [23:52] w00t,Dominian [23:52] haha, [23:52] Dominian: awesome. :) [23:52] aye [23:52] he left after the noobfarm. ironic? no. Cause and effect. :P [23:52] we'll see how it goes though [23:52] firedix (n=firedix@host44.200-117-60.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [23:52] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: "Leaving" [23:53] agentc0re: lol [23:53] nice layout Dominian [23:53] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [23:53] dartmouth: I didn't write it ") [23:53] I wish I could take credit for it :) [23:53] Action: dartmouth steals it and gives no credit [23:53] its actually a digg-like cms called Pligg [23:53] speaking of manipulating volume with the internet keys... http://freshmeat.net/projects/xvolume/ might be of some benefit [23:54] MLanden: It's done, did you see the screenshot I posted? [23:54] Dominian: ill look into that [23:54] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [23:54] dartmouth: hehe [23:54] J4CK (n=DepecheM@adsl190-28-142-96.epm.net.co) left irc: "Saliendo" [23:55] Dominian: dartmouth's first post will be "How to enable uber 1337 compositing on a superior desktop environment" :D [23:55] :) [23:55] its user monitored [23:55] like digg/slashdot are [23:55] you can vote.. bury etc etc [23:55] hrm [23:55] Dominian: nice. [23:56] Action: lf4 hands fire|bird a copy of windows 3.11 :) [23:56] Dominian: Hopefully it will take off and be a success. [23:56] nice page [23:56] Dominian, this is a very new blog http://sligg.slackadelic.com/ ? [23:56] lf4: OHGODWHY? :P [23:56] Thom1: yes, it is. [23:56] Thom1: uhh yeah.. like.. turned it on.. yesterday [23:56] i have a hard time imaging how people can launch those kinds of things, seems like you almost have to already have a userbase to really get it going [23:56] fire|bird: noobfarm $1678 [23:56] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:56] lol thats why. [23:56] lf4: haha [23:56] antiwire: yes...brought me to mind of an app that mimics a OSD [23:56] Dominian, yours ? [23:56] Techtronic (n=Techtron@77.90.71.15) joined ##slackware. [23:56] The whole point behind it is to have a Slackware/linux generated community for articles what not [23:57] Thom1: aye [23:57] lf4: now I'll really know what NO animations is like. :P [23:57] dartmouth: You just start it.. and roll with it.. see what comes of it [23:57] dartmouth: no planning.. just do it. [23:57] Dunosana (i=477148e7@gateway/web/freenode/x-xospdhrsqioswsce) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [23:57] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Client Quit [23:57] MLanden: ah OSD [23:57] if you take time to plan and wonder what could go wrong you will never get anything done [23:58] i never could keep a wordpress going. i would get weird out of the blue comments for kernel stuff in freebsd once in a while, but surprisingly I have 300 daily viewers for my myspace blog... [23:58] and I don't write about anything interesting at *all* [23:58] fire|bird: Haha I have a copy of every MS "os" from 5.0 to vista :/ --ME and CE lol and they are used for costers. [23:58] lf4: hahaha [23:58] dartmouth: myspace, unfortunately, is full of idiots.. sorry to say :( [23:58] no, no, I agree. they put out though. [23:58] Wish I could say the same for slackware, but I'm working on it. [23:58] like the "lemonparty" incident I created on myspace hehe :) [23:59] lol [23:59] lol,Dominian...X_X [23:59] That must have been some party. :P [23:59] fire|bird: I found some idiots on myspace leeching a few of my images... [23:59] must have been some lemons too :P [23:59] So I wrote .htaccess rules to load a customized lemonparty picture when their sites referred to my images. [00:00] --- Thu Sep 3 2009