[00:00] its just so frustrating [00:00] hehehehe [00:00] what is the kernel? [00:00] j/k :D [00:01] an arbitrary word used as an incorrect synonym for an operating system :p [00:01] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:01] lol true [00:02] spectre (~kyle@pool-98-109-75-137.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] gniks, why not tell him to use kde or xfce where mounting stuff is done automagically? [00:03] i did, he doesn't like kde, and he just went back to his argument the kernel should be more bending to his will [00:04] even though the kernel isn't used to manage userspace :p [00:04] not like that anyway [00:04] he is kinda stubborn [00:04] oh, he also complained that users are automatically in plugdev group for kde automounting and such [00:04] im like, well, add yourself :p [00:05] well he's got the choice [00:05] yup [00:05] gniks: tell him that Noobuntu is over that way ---------> [00:05] i actually scolded him for wanting to use it [00:06] [00:06] lol [00:06] well he is supposed to be learning linux [00:06] Hrm, they dislike KDE... Let me guess, an OS X user? [00:06] hah yes [00:06] well, i use OS X too [00:06] but i like kde [00:07] I can't stand KDE, but don't use OSX [00:07] Give them XFCE and call it good. :) [00:07] there ya go [00:07] i would, but he would ask me how to use it, and id point him to google :p [00:07] and he would bitch about having to google [00:07] gnome :P [00:07] haha [00:07] rofl, googling how to use XFCE [00:07] i spend 98% of my time in a terminal [00:07] nothing to google... run 'xwmconfig', choose xfce, then 'startx'. Done. [00:07] im an enterprise linux enigneer& not a desltop dude :p [00:08] danc3: he woudl ask how to use the interface, not how to switch to it [00:08] it's obvious how to "use" it. [00:08] isn't it? [00:08] not to mention, the less he needs to learn about X in the next month, the more sane ill be [00:08] danc3: to a linux guy yes& not to a mac os x user [00:09] I can't agree... there's a "start menu" type thing right there. How hard is that? [00:09] right clicking various things for context menus sheds additional clues. [00:09] Professor gniks [00:09] can't you point this guy to a local LUG list? [00:10] or SLUG ? [00:10] i could, but i wouldn't want to bother them :p [00:10] can you imagine him going off about mounting on a LUG list [00:10] lulz [00:11] heh [00:11] our LUG list is all about that [00:11] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:11] Atters (chatzilla@173-29-39-103.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [00:11] we want to encourage newbies [00:11] i encourage newbies [00:11] we enjoy technical discussion, sure, but our LUG list is like a large-scale support network [00:11] but ones that argue with the reasoning behind how it works makes my head hurt [00:12] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.63.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] on a side note, is there a site with an up-to-date listing of LUGs? [00:13] or, rather, what's the best one? 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[01:19] tino27 (~tino27@52.sub-97-177-216.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:20] google is your friend :) [01:20] HarryS (H@harry.lu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:22] goooooooooooogle [01:24] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-142-138.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:24] skillZ (~skillz@modemcable173.232-176-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:24] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:24] skillZ (~skillz@modemcable173.232-176-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:24] hi all.. i'm trying to compile a kernel in core i3 proc. but I only have core2duo/xeon and generic x86_64 proc.. which one I should mark? [01:26] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:28] what does "cat /proc/cpuinfo" show? [01:28] only the cpu line, not the rest of it [01:28] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:30] i minute [01:31] processor : 0 [01:31] vendor_id : GenuineIntel [01:31] cpu family : 6 [01:31] Channel flood from artaud -- kicking [01:31] model : 37 [01:31] artaud kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:31] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [01:31] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:31] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [01:32] sorry [01:32] heehe [01:32] i should use pastbin [01:32] :$ [01:32] I would say try the generic one first, then try the xeon one later [01:32] tino27 (~tino27@69.sub-70-223-240.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [01:33] after booting into the generic x86_64, look at dmesg and see if it show xeon in the found processor output [01:33] i will do this ow [01:33] now [01:35] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:15] it apparently runs at 24 [03:16] and busybox fbsplash complains that it only supports 16 :/ [03:16] Hey, I'm trying to install Exim 4.72 from sbopkg, no matter how many times I sync it it wants to download 4.71 which does not exist in the repository. What magic do I have to do to sync it proper? [03:18] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:19] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [03:19] HarryS (H@harry.lu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:22] If I remove the network/exim directory under /var/lib/SBo/13.0 and sync, it downloads info with 4.71 even tho its supposed to be 4.72 [03:22] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [03:22] sunzofman (~sunzofman@c-69-246-40-165.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. [03:22] /var/lib/sbopkg/SBo/13 even [03:24] So SBO is broken? [03:24] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [03:25] this is the line from the synced repos exim.info file DOWNLOAD="ftp://ftp.exim.org/pub/exim/exim4/exim-4.71.tar.bz2" [03:25] here's the actual repos ftp://ftp.exim.org/pub/exim/exim4/ [03:26] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:27] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [03:27] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [03:29] play4_ (~rispin@adsl-71-135-63-10.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:30] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-180.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:30] play4 (~rispin@adsl-71-135-63-10.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:34] DURgod (~DURgod@24-236-174-217.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:37] rafu (~ecgruppen@195-198-210-98.customer.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:38] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.208) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:38] hey, anybody knows how to change the system variables? [03:39] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.208) joined ##slackware. [03:39] were the file is [03:42] Nick change: xchg_hnijevskole -> xchg_hnijedoma [03:42] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:42] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [03:42] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [03:42] Nick change: xchg_hnijedoma -> xchg [03:45] HarryS (H@harry.lu) joined ##slackware. [03:47] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:47] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:48] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [03:49] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[03:57] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [03:57] Already pasted that info [03:57] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [03:59] Coke: http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.1/network/exim/exim.info [04:00] Okay so upstream moved the file. How is that a sbopkg bug? [04:00] and http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/network/exim/exim.info [04:00] XGizzmo: I guess it's not. I'm used to using dists where everything is sort of stitched together. [04:00] hmmm, indeed, no more file [04:00] strashniq (~strashniq@vlan-177-sliven-76.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:00] If the package maintainer has any interrestin in their packages being used I think they would make sure the download links are correct. [04:01] hello [04:01] Older versions of the repos are not maintained. [04:01] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:01] XGizzmo: I installed it like 6 months ago [04:01] from the then latest [04:01] can someone tell me ,if i can automatically get updates for my system -something like apt-get update ? [04:02] you are on slackware 13.0 SBo will not maintain builds for 13.0. [04:02] Good to know now. [04:02] Unfortunately it's a bit late, this server is already in production. [04:04] XGizzmo i guess apt-get doesn`t work on slackware 13.1 for some reason ,how do i update my system ? [04:05] strashniq: http://www.slackbook.org/html/package-management.html [04:06] nice [04:06] strashniq: get a local mirror and install all packages in it [04:06] then update mirror [04:06] just edit the info file? download by hand? [04:06] adrien: me? [04:06] No fuck that. [04:06] For whatever reason I cannot make my system receive and send mail properly anyway. [04:07] well updating the mirrors ... i have never done this [04:07] Sendmail requires authentication from local users. [04:07] strashniq: basically, slackware doesn't have what you want [04:07] well i will have to find another way to update my system [04:08] strashniq: I use rsync to get a local mirror and then I just run the scripts to install all packages [04:08] Sep 2 09:51:36 megatron sm-mta[11612]: o827paw5011612: <-- MAIL From: SIZE=41 AUTH=root@megatron.localdomain [04:08] What is this? [04:08] Why AUTH? It's a local user for crying out loud. [04:09] it hangs on that line for like 2 minutes [04:09] then it says reject not authenticated and continues to receive and send the mail anyway. Why? If it's rejected it should be like, I dunno, rejected. [04:11] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:11] I need a good MTA on this system. [04:14] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.208) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:14] strashniq (~strashniq@vlan-177-sliven-76.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:14] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.208) joined ##slackware. [04:15] HarryS (H@harry.lu) joined ##slackware. [04:15] play4_ (~rispin@adsl-71-135-34-210.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:17] hey , anyone here have a T410? [04:17] Action: clint- been thinking about getting 1.. was going to get a T400, after I had sent a T61 back to lenovo, just don't want to deal with any tollerance issues from lenovo again, just that techforless doesn't have any good deals or inventory on T410's, or newegg, or tigerdirect. or even amazon. [04:18] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [04:18] play4 (~rispin@adsl-71-135-63-10.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:19] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-177-sliven-76.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:19] HarryS (H@harry.lu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:20] so... after i used "slackpkg update" what is the next step -is everything already updated or the packages were just downloaded? [04:20] No, only the slackpkg internal database will be updated then [04:20] ah [04:21] You need to run "slackpkg install-new" and "slackpkg upgrade-all" afterwards [04:21] so how to decide which packages i need to download and then to install ? [04:21] alienB0B will it download the packages for me or i have to download them before that ? [04:21] When you runn the above two commands you will get a choice of packages to install - you can de-select the ones you do not want and then press OK [04:21] It will download all the packages for you strashniq [04:22] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-101-73.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:22] nice [04:22] let me try [04:22] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [04:22] Looking for NEW packages to install. Please wait ...DONE [04:23] No packages match the pattern for install. [04:23] Try: /usr/bin/slackpkg upgrade|reinstall [04:23] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:23] alienB0B does this means i have latest version of everything ? [04:24] yes [04:24] what about the security patches ? [04:24] can i get them somehow automatically ? [04:25] They should have installed if there where any. [04:25] were [04:27] i went to "slackware.com/security" and i saw some issues from 28 of august [04:28] i`m not sure about how "slackpkg" is working [04:28] that`s why i ask so many questions [04:28] you ran "slackpkg update" ? [04:30] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [04:30] first "slackpkg update" [04:30] then "slackpkg install-new" [04:31] so i guess everything is ok ? [04:32] Thats not how you were told to do it [04:32] well i did slackpkg update before i join xchat [04:32] :) [04:33] well ,what should i do now ? [04:33] strashniq: you have forgotten "slackpkg upgrade-all" [04:34] did you uncomment a mirror in the /etc/slackpkg/mirror file? [04:34] The "install-new" only loooks if any NEW packages were added to Slackware since you last checked [04:34] damn i knew i missed something [04:34] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [04:34] well i did uncomment 1 mirror only [04:34] The "upgrade-all" will check for and install updates for the packages which you already have installed [04:34] i uncomment 1 ftp and 1 http server [04:34] should i remove one of them ? [04:35] yup [04:35] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:35] ok which packages i have to unselect ? [04:36] or i have to keep them all [04:36] i will keep them all on ,is that ok ? [04:37] everything checked will be upgraded [04:37] well i guess that "slackware is not for new linux users because it has no package manager" is not true [04:37] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:38] It never has been true [04:38] well i quoted a friend of mine that is really keen in Ubuntu [04:38] he was very sad when i told him i couldn`t install it ,and i got slackware [04:39] i guess i will have to restart X after the upgrade ? [04:39] yes you should [04:40] Sendmail keeps hanging on AUTH and gives me Sep 2 10:36:16 megatron sm-mta[12001]: ruleset=trust_auth, arg1=root@megatron.localdomain, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 5.7.1 ... not authenticated [04:40] you also may want to reinstall ati/nvidia drivers if you have them. [04:40] This is when I'm mailing LOCAL users so there should be no ident, no auth no nothing. Just delivery. How can I make that happen? [04:41] XGizzmo i`m on VESA, due to problems with my SIS driver [04:41] normally sendmail root < somemail is lightning fast since it's a local user that just need loacl delivery [04:41] Coke are you talking about sending a message from the system administrator to a user (or something like that ) ? [04:42] from root to root [04:42] from system user to system user [04:42] interesting [04:43] Either way should "just work" [04:43] so are you sure this mail program you use is designed for this ? [04:43] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [04:43] sendmail [04:43] i never used mail programs on my OS [04:43] you mean an MTA [04:43] and if you run any linux you have [04:44] so i can`t help you ,especially on Linux [04:44] they come in different shapes and what not, but sendmail is supposedly a complete MTA [04:44] whether it is ssmtp for relay only or exim4 for a complete mail service system [04:44] could you tell me how can i setup a built-in mail program so i can send or receive mail ? [04:44] strashniq: yes, but not for slackware [04:44] I can't even get proper local delivery [04:45] Might be some magic with the resolv and/or hosts [04:45] maybe [04:45] HarryS (H@harry.lu) joined ##slackware. [04:45] so how users are recognised by this program ? [04:45] Or, I get the local delivery, but only after a minute timeout [04:45] strashniq: system users [04:45] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:45] many MTA's also support virtual users [04:45] that`s what i mean [04:45] ah [04:45] virtual ? [04:45] as it NOT system user [04:46] that`s new to me [04:46] ssmtp is some hack for Debian that doesn't seem to work properly on Slack [04:46] so you used deb packages and you turn them into txz ? [04:46] no [04:46] download upstream sources from the deb package [04:47] It's in the debian git [04:47] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:47] sadly i`m too new in linux to help you [04:47] I know. [04:47] does anyone else encountered this problem ? [04:47] strashniq: not gonna get an answer [04:48] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/sendmail-stopped-authenticate-users-818555/ [04:48] strashniq: basically, 13.0 is not supported no more by SBO maintainers. [04:49] is this yours ? [04:49] that's fine by me [04:49] But that makes SBO into a rolling release system [04:49] which I already have from Archlinux on some servers and the reason I switched to slack was to get away from all the updates [04:49] well [04:50] strashniq: btw, if you're new to linux slackware is probably the worst choice [04:50] i guess the updates came to you [04:50] Coke: lies [04:50] Coke i have learned a lot for the past days [04:50] strashniq: I would just go with Debian. they are like a big government agency that takes care of everything. [04:50] strashniq: if that's your goal, go ahead. [04:50] and Slackware was the only Distro i managed to run (from ubuntu,fedora,mandriva and slack) [04:50] I have SIS VGA [04:51] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-13-243.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:51] strashniq: "managed to run" ? [04:51] the built-in driver is not working [04:51] ah [04:51] HarryS (H@harry.lu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:51] manage to run = somehow to install [04:51] Well, I've been using Linux only since, hm... 1998 or something like that so I make sure all hardware works [04:51] don`t be so sure [04:51] tell me then [04:52] i press install on ubuntu (set Safe graphics + some other options on the F6) and i got flickering screen [04:52] i mean i used both Desktop and alternate CD/DVDs [04:52] spectre (~kyle@pool-98-109-75-137.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:53] spectre (~kyle@pool-98-109-75-137.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] strashniq: my point was: buy good hardware [04:53] Coke i won`t buy good hardware because i guess i can`t afford it ,or i don`t want to [04:53] i have my laptop for 3.5 years [04:53] it still works [04:54] i will keep it [04:54] strashniq: I've had my for about 3 years too [04:54] is it a laptop ? [04:54] it cost me 150 euro [04:54] yes [04:54] eeepc [04:54] well this is my first owned by me PC i have [04:54] Because the Linux kernel is degressing in stability and what not I had massive problems [04:55] It took the linux maintainers almost 12 months to undo the USB and serial bugs they put in around 2.6.27 [04:55] i get the linux just to learn how linux is working [04:55] its not an easy task but i`m sure it`s not a rocket engeneering [04:56] No, rocket engineering is logical and easy [04:56] i`d rather learn something than keep on this windows7 [04:57] I wouldn't run any Windows [04:57] and it`s getting worse with every new Windows [04:57] Odd, Microsoft keep telling their customers things are getting better. [04:57] when i install the win7 -it works fast ,very fast [04:57] after 2 months it barely moves [04:57] i don`t like it [04:58] This sendmail issue is driving me insane and the only two sendmail users in the world aren't responding. :P [04:58] Coke [04:59] so , you want to send mail from user on one PC to another user on the same PC ? [04:59] why don`t you reinstall the sendmail thing ? [04:59] because this isnt windows [04:59] reinstalling does not help [04:59] does it work before that ? [04:59] You have to actually understand the software and once you do everything is logical [05:00] no [05:00] so if it hasn`t worked [05:00] i guess you have to do some changes [05:00] serious changes [05:00] reinstall and reboot is a windows "sollution" / workaround, not linux [05:00] maybe the source has to be modified or something [05:01] uh [05:01] yes, with every update the source is modified [05:01] but I'm using the one in 13.0 so it doesnt matter [05:01] why don`t you try an older one ? [05:01] strashniq: why would it help? [05:01] the problem is not that sendmail cannot do this or is broken (except for being overly complicated, unintuitive and insane) [05:01] the problem is that I have no fucking clue how it works [05:01] or what it does [05:02] or why it does it [05:02] so you have a last option then [05:02] make your own sendmail [05:03] is it so difficult to create a C++ source and compile it ? [05:03] or whatever language you know ... [05:04] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:04] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [05:05] same as creating a c file [05:05] strashniq: what are you talking about make your own sendmail? [05:05] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:05] You think writing my own MTA would be a good investment of time? [05:05] Coke just bypass the problematic part of your plan [05:05] nice day to all [05:05] strashniq: how? [05:06] well what you do is "Type the message,authnticate,send " so if you can`t send it -make a new program to send it for you. [05:07] strashniq: you think I should spend like 3-4 weeks developing a new MTA? [05:07] If it`s so requiring for you -yes.Depends on your needs. [05:07] strashniq: no it doesnt [05:07] EVERY MTA on the planet does exactly this; delivers mail [05:07] that's the service I'm looking for [05:08] well i guess this one doesn`t [05:08] sendmail comes with fucked up default configs and a log system that tells you NOTHING of value [05:08] strashniq: ofcourse it does [05:08] you said you took the debian stuff -maybe the people in debian channel can help you work it around [05:08] While you amuse me, you should probably refrain from giving advice tho [05:08] :) [05:08] strashniq: I would have liked to stick with Slackware default stuff [05:09] Not sure why Exim4 isn't the default MTA, but it's building from source now [05:09] ahh that`s somethign different [05:11] Coke: Slackware's sendmail works out of the box. What did you do? [05:12] alienBOB: no idea [05:12] nothing [05:12] There is also a postfix SlackBuild script on http://slackbuilds.org [05:12] alienBOB: because nobody knows how sendmail works there's little help to be had [05:12] Coke: are you using Slackware's sendmail.cf or did you re-configure? [05:12] every forum is like "strange. wierd" [05:12] slack's [05:13] I could remove it all and reinstall it [05:13] it's a separate package iirc [05:13] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:13] Your sendmail host, it it known under several names? Do these names all resolve using DNS? [05:13] No. [05:13] There's no dns, just /etc/hosts [05:14] Do all the hostnames as listed in /etc/hosts work? [05:14] these are all local deliveries that should just "work" [05:14] yeah [05:14] although, sendmail does require an fqdn so I had to add the .localdomain crap also [05:14] it's in /etc/hosts [05:14] Try adding those to /etc/mail/local-host-names as well [05:14] resolve has files dns [05:14] already did [05:14] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.53.20) joined ##slackware. [05:15] HarryS (H@harry.lu) joined ##slackware. [05:15] ashe (~ashe@125.163.5.131) joined ##slackware. [05:15] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.89) joined ##slackware. [05:15] ok, got a clean install [05:15] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-177-sliven-76.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:16] hanging on Sep 2 11:12:14 megatron sm-mta[14215]: o829CEDS014215: <-- MAIL From: SIZE=40 AUTH=root@megatron.localdomain [05:16] then it says Sep 2 11:12:42 megatron sm-mta[14215]: ruleset=trust_auth, arg1=root@megatron.localdomain, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 5.7.1 ... not authenticated [05:16] and even tho it says "not authenticated" it delivers the mail [05:17] I have no idea what this authentication does or what it's for [05:17] Since it doesn't seem to reject users I might as well disable it completely [05:17] Coke: slackware's sendmail doesn ot have a "ruleset=trust_auth". Are you using another sendmail configuration than Slackware's default sendmail.cf on the MTA host? [05:18] Well I have to be a bit more precise [05:19] hang on that was the old log [05:19] There is, but it is called a bit different. Is root in the list of "trusted users"? By default it is [05:19] it now hangs on Sep 2 11:15:02 megatron sendmail[14708]: o829F2jb014708: from=root, size=40, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<201009020915.o829F2jb014708@megatron.localdomain>, relay=root@localhost [05:19] ~28 second delay [05:20] gonna up the log level a bit [05:20] There will probably be more log lines than just that one [05:21] HarryS (H@harry.lu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:21] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [05:21] if you're very desperate, try switching the machine name from megatron to omegasupreme? :S [05:21] Pffff [05:21] Galvatron will have his butt [05:22] Ok, I keep getting the same error with the default sendmail.cf [05:22] I am trying the same on a fresh Slackware 13.1 with proper working DNS. No errors, mails get sent from user root to root@localhost [05:23] But, localhost is in /etc/hosts, not in DNS of course [05:23] MAIL From: SIZE=40 AUTH=root@megatron.localdomain [05:23] same problem [05:23] I've removed all entries in local domain file [05:23] it just doesn't understand that it is a local delivery [05:24] also, why do you get localhost?? [05:24] I get megatron.localdomain [05:24] I also am not allowed to use just megatron, it complains at startup about not being a fqdn [05:24] what entries do you have in /etc/hosts ? [05:25] Unless I specify megatron.localdomain sendmail daemon wont start [05:25] Sep 2 11:21:46 megatron sm-mta[14782]: My unqualified host name (megatron) unknown; sleeping for retry [05:25] clint- (clint@pdpc/supporter/active/clint-) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:26] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:26] All I want is a normal MTA that can deliver local mail without any fancy schmancy FQDN stuff [05:26] since when is root@localhost not allowed? [05:26] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [05:27] Coke: did you update the databases? [05:27] What is in _your_ /etc/hosts Coke? [05:27] 127.0.0.1 localhost [05:27] 192.168.1.10 megatron [05:27] And next time Coke do not tell new Slackware users that they made a bad choice and should consider Debian. [05:28] alienBOB: why not? you censoring my oppinion on what I think is a noob friendly dist? [05:28] Your /etc/hosts should also contain a FQDN for your host [05:28] Coke: this is a Slackware channel [05:28] alienBOB: yes, I added it. megatron.localdomain [05:28] Here, we do not advise people to run to Debian or Ubuntu [05:28] alienBOB: so? I'm in #archlinux, sometimes I just recommend Ubuntu because it's obvious that Archlinux is not right for them [05:29] alienBOB: why not? if it's a better start for someone? [05:29] they will come to slack eventually [05:29] Coke: that was not a conclusion I drew for that person [05:29] no, that was my oppinion only [05:29] Anyway, good luck with your sendmail. Or try ubuntu [05:29] Ubuntu is not for me. [05:30] So stop referring people to it ffs [05:30] alienBOB: it might be for them [05:30] users have different needs [05:30] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [05:30] v4nelle (~van@79.107.220.0) joined ##slackware. [05:30] You managed to annoy the hell out of the only person in here who probably knows about sendmail. Bye now [05:30] I don't see other distributions as competition, I'm not a fanboy, I'm pragmatic. [05:31] Diversity rocks. [05:31] while I would agree with that statement on #linux, I can hardly take it well on #slackware [05:31] kalabas (~vag-kal@ppp-94-66-92-10.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:31] Why? [05:31] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [05:31] it's like telling your wife that other girls are preety [05:32] it may not be a lie, but ... [05:32] Kaapa: my wife better be cool with that [05:32] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] Also this isn't about hurt feelings. Or is it? [05:33] Very childish. [05:34] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:34] call it what you like, but I share his oppinion. I don't like to see recommending other dists here [05:34] anyway, back to work [05:34] Why? [05:34] Please explain to me why it hurts YOU that someone would opt for another dist [05:35] it doesn't at all [05:35] So why is it aproblem? Is someone losing money from lost customers? [05:36] no but it is a disturbance for all of us here. Please stop arguing this pointless matter [05:36] call it territorial instincts if you want. In #slackware I don't like to see recommending debian. The same way I'd react if someone suggested python in #perl [05:36] anyway, linXea is right. pointless [05:37] Kaapa: I'd do both depending on the situation [05:37] you don't get it and I'm not trying to convince you [05:37] ... mainly cause I don't care [05:37] No I get it. I'm not a "team player". It's cool. [05:39] Coke: I am not a Slackware fanboy, I am a Slackware developer. And an op in this chanel. So I have a bias [05:40] So do I. [05:40] I'm not sure if reinstalling the sendmail-cf package will overwrite an existing sendmail.cf file. alienBOB? [05:40] I'm a huge Python fanboy, but how stupid would I be to not see any advantages or usage for any other language? [05:40] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [05:40] rob0: no it didnt [05:40] rob0: that file is in the main slackware package i think [05:41] Also, I don't like that you guys see the other projects as advesaries rather than allies. [05:41] Perhaps you should undo whatever non-standard thing was done, and try again. [05:41] It brings an unecessary rift between linux users. [05:41] rob0: I did [05:41] it's clean [05:41] I think the problem is with my host files [05:41] or maybe something else [05:42] Then the next step is the Bat Book, or proceed with replacing Sendmail. [05:42] rob0: yeah ive built Exim4 [05:44] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [05:45] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:45] HarryS (H@harry.lu) joined ##slackware. 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[07:41] ilker (~ilker@88.236.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:42] ilker (~ilker@88.236.44.18) left irc: Changing host [07:42] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) joined ##slackware. [07:42] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:43] Nick change: jaminja_ -> jaminja [07:43] jaminja (~jaminja@95.211.4.12) left irc: Changing host [07:43] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Strashniq (~strashniq@vlan-186-sliven-37.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [07:44] hello can someone tell me how to save changes to the sudoers` file after i use visudo command ? [07:45] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:45] :wq [07:45] :wq [07:45] what do you mean wq [07:46] ctrl+x gives me a dollar sign [07:46] exec 'vimtutor' to learn the basics of the vim editor [07:46] well after you made the changes, you press and then press the ":wq" keys ... [07:47] Strashniq: visudo uses .. well "vi" (first two letters are a clue) [07:48] esc+w+q = no result [07:48] esc then :wq [07:48] now i will check the vimtutor [07:48] wq both at same time ? [07:49] should i have any menu like the one in nano ? [07:49] esc then : then w then q then enter [07:49] result is the same= nothing [07:49] damn i hate when i don`t know anything [07:50] did you edit the file? [07:50] well i types what i wanted [07:50] ok then.. [07:50] i added the user i had to add [07:50] esc then : then w then q then enter [07:51] sahko [07:51] i read you well [07:51] you should see :wq at the bottom of the terminal [07:51] nothing on the terminal shows [07:51] Strashniq: make sure on the right bottom corner it says "Command" [07:51] its not like the nano menu on the bottom [07:51] let me check [07:52] 32*1 Command [07:52] esc= nothing [07:52] w + q = nothing [07:52] oh does visudo fire up elvis by default? [07:52] *:* [07:53] Strashniq: : <-- do you think we keep typing that because we like the look of it? [07:53] i got no idea what to do now [07:53] go back to windows? [07:53] You missed : before w [07:53] nah [07:53] well nobody mentioned about : [07:53] ... [07:53] uhm. [07:54] now it worked [07:54] yes ...yes we did. [07:54] i thought you 'read me well' [07:54] we only mentioned it six times or so. [07:54] well i `m daltonist by the way [07:55] a bank robber? [07:55] colourful vision problems [07:55] a cartoon character? [07:55] i wish a cartoon character [07:55] ok next time i will know "esc" +":"+"wq" +"enter" [07:56] try vimtutor to learn the vim basics. they come very hand [07:56] handy* [07:56] i just started it [07:56] will be interesting to learn something [07:56] then you can also use emacs in viper mode. zomg! [07:56] yeah, exactly [07:57] "emacs" hm a new thing to google for ... [07:58] thanks to everyone who tried to help me [07:58] Strashniq: it was just a joke. consentrate on vim first [07:59] so vim is like nano but is more powerful ? [07:59] Strashniq: MUCH more powerful. [08:00] Strashniq: and you can run regular expressions in it! [08:00] ur comparing vim to nano? lol [08:00] well i know only nano to text edit [08:00] what else should i compare it with ? [08:00] word 2007 ? [08:01] wdyy (~wdyy@123.80.25.157) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Hi. Anyone knows a place that sells Sun USB Type 7 keyboard and ships overseas ? [08:02] wdyy_ (~wdyy@123.80.24.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:02] have you checked Amazon ? [08:02] bestbuy ? [08:03] i use a spedition company ( you decide what price ot declare infront of the customs) that sends almost everything everywhere... [08:03] somehow I doubt bestbuy/amazon would sell those type of keyboards. [08:04] v4nelle (~van@79.107.220.0) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:04] knut_: http://www.memoryxsun.com/x3731anib.html [08:05] BP{K}, thanks, but I believe they don't ship to europe either [08:05] BP{k} well , who knows ... if you don`t check you won`t learn [08:05] amazon ships to europe [08:06] shipito.com ships to europe (this is the spedition company) [08:06] yeah except I couldn't find it on amazon [08:06] that`s the problem [08:06] check best buy [08:06] they got some stuff [08:06] did that too hehe :D [08:06] damn [08:06] knut_: they seem to do. [08:06] check ebay shops [08:06] Been looking for the damn thing for over 3 hours on google now ^^ [08:07] what type of Keyboard is this [08:07] something special ? [08:07] Strashniq: Sun Microsystems keyboard for Sun systems. [08:07] knut_: http://www.memoryxsun.com/shippol.html [08:07] Strashniq, a UNIX keyboard [08:07] well ,what`s the difference ? [08:07] layout ? [08:08] i guess its not just the layout [08:08] knut_: so it seems that they do, you might just pay a bit extra. [08:08] Yeah, except it's 100 dollars with shipping and the damn thing costs like 45$ normally [08:08] from sun [08:08] yeah I guess if I want it I have to pay 100$ [08:09] knut [08:09] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-167-175.mel.connect.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:09] if you can order it from sun to a US based adress you can always use shipito [08:09] knut_: where in europe you want it to be shipped to? [08:09] France [08:10] http://www.64bit.eu/sun-universal-type-7-optical-scroll-mouse-and-usb-unix-layout-keyboard-us/ [08:11] oh that looks good [08:11] very good [08:11] thanks [08:11] how did you find it ? [08:11] typing in "Sun USB Type 7 Keyboard" on google .. and go to the shopping results [08:11] damn [08:11] I did that too [08:11] How did I miss that [08:12] erm... easy i guess [08:12] damn [08:12] it's 40 euros shipping xD [08:12] from Czech [08:13] I don't know what they've been smoking [08:13] but you want some? [08:13] 40 euros? [08:13] are you kidding me [08:13] nope xD [08:13] m00p (~topcat@212.150.147.230) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:14] damn those people are joking [08:14] this keyboard is less than a kilo [08:14] That sounds like a Czech swindle xD [08:14] the distance to france is so small [08:14] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:14] Strashniq: uhm sun keyboards are a bit heavier and all ;) [08:14] yeah especially I'm just next to Germany [08:14] how much hevier ? [08:14] it can`t be 5 kilos [08:14] So there's like 700km from me to czech [08:15] right ? [08:15] nah it's lighter I'm pretty sure [08:15] 700 km -you`d better take a fast train to buy it [08:15] 5 kg is quite heavy [08:15] nah trains are expensive in germany ^^ [08:15] germany speed trains are nice [08:15] I should have picked it up when I was in Czech last year xD [08:15] what`s the price of the keyboard in USA ? [08:16] depends on where [08:16] cheapest price in USA [08:16] around 50$-60$ [08:16] well according to one site, the keyboard weight is 4.0lbs. [08:16] 2kilos [08:16] nice [08:16] which would be just shy of the 2kg mark [08:17] so 50 bucks for the keyboard and at least 30-40 $ for the delivery [08:18] Maybe I should call some sun representative in france or something [08:18] 70,80 euros [08:18] and get one for 35 euros + shipping [08:18] so you can have it for max 90 euros [08:18] Jessica20 (mirc@41.236.14.53) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:18] from usa [08:18] how much the checks ask for it ? [08:19] 45 euros without taxes [08:19] so it's 51 with taxes [08:19] which is ok [08:19] and 80 for delivery [08:19] but then you add 40 euros shipping [08:19] 130 euros ? [08:19] just 40 ? [08:19] yes "just" :D [08:19] so its almost the same as the us [08:19] yes [08:19] knut_: don't you mean oracle representative [08:20] kitche: I guess so [08:20] knut_ if there is any representative of Sun Inc. you`d better contact `em [08:20] or oracle [08:20] or whatever they are called [08:20] I actually asked for an invoice for this keyboard from the oracle website but they never replied [08:21] I guess they don't bother just selling one keyboard [08:21] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:22] ask them for a representative [08:22] I think I'm going to try that [08:22] representatives should sell smaller quantities [08:22] if they got any representative search engine - just try it [08:22] i doubt they don`t have representatives in France [08:22] they do [08:23] Cause they have their website translated in french [08:23] and that's from where I tried to get the invoice [08:23] ?!? 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[09:57] depends, if you work with it, it may be very cheap [09:57] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Nick change: rhisa -> missyrissy [10:03] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [10:03] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [10:05] i splurged on one of those das keyboards for the office, but I'm not sure if it has been worth it [10:05] I like it but I think I probably drive everybody crazy [10:06] Never underestimate the value of driving your co-workers crazy. [10:06] just convert an old typewriter to a computer [10:06] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:07] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:07] err typewriter to keyboard, not computer [10:08] man those IBM selectronic keyboards were incredible [10:09] but I think it might have been the impact of the typehead/ball thing that made it feel so cool [10:09] BANG! [10:10] http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/keyboards.html [10:10] Best keyboards ever. [10:10] amen [10:11] I thought about getting one of those with the trackpoint in it [10:11] Action: KaMii needs coffee [10:12] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:15] Hm anybody know why opening two pidgin crashes one or the other after.. about a hour or two of usage? [10:15] http://distrowatch.tradepub.com/free/w_slac01/?p=w_slac01 [10:15] didnt know distrowatch sold the slackbook [10:15] Alan_Hicks: this is the one I got http://www.daskeyboard.com/ [10:16] i was at a store that had one and was overcome by an impulse [10:16] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [10:17] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:21] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-177-57.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:21] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-177-57.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Changing host [10:21] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Those are really expensive just for a keyboard with no labels on it. [10:22] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:22] hello [10:23] mine has labels, i dont know why the hell someone would get a blank one [10:23] can someone explain to me what this special string means in Perl language : "<>" [10:23] other than to attempt to be the alpha geek [10:23] Genk1: they call it "the diamond operator" in the docs [10:23] ok [10:23] it means either "read a line from stdin" [10:23] or if theres nothing on stdin, open a file named by argv[1] and read a line from it [10:24] GooseYArd: Because only the 3rd generation Das Keyboards came with labeled keys. [10:24] GooseYArd, thank you [10:24] np [10:25] BP{k}: yah i think the blank ones are "look how big my schlong is" type stuff [10:25] DaRkOoO (darkooo@unaffiliated/darkooo) joined ##slackware. [10:26] I could see some value in using a blank keyboard to learn typing skills. [10:26] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:26] i had one of those outrageous Kinesis keyboards for a while, that definitely helped with my touch typing [10:26] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [10:26] RLa (~RL@infdot.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:26] since you pretty much had to use the correct fingers for each key or you'd injure yourself [10:26] ehehe [10:27] GooseYArd: not really. like I said .. the labeled "professional" keyboards are the first labelled ones. Das Keyboard I and Das Keyboard II were just plain unlabeled. [10:27] I figure the longer you work on a keyboard without labels, the more likely you are to develop muscle memory for the keystrokes. [10:27] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Alan_Hicks: correct. [10:28] I've been through this process before playing instruments with and without position markers [10:28] you get the muscle memory either way, it just takes longer without markings [10:29] kind of a masochistic study technique [10:29] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:30] alienBOB: theres been many reports on the internet that dolphin in kde-4.5.x doesnt work correctly with dbus < 1.3. you might wanna consider a dbus upgrade along with kde when that happens.. also dbus may need some backported patches even in 1.3. i will look into it deeper later if you cant find any info/ havent got time. but dolphin is said to be unstable/crash/slow without those [10:30] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.188.152) joined ##slackware. [10:31] I have installed from the DVD before (wicd from extra) and it has been fine. This time round I had to manually mount the dvd... is this because I am trying to do it as a regular user and I need to set up the user with permission to view the files in the cd or to have them automount under kde in their login? [10:32] slobad23: add yourself to plugdev [10:33] GooseYArd (GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware. [10:33] GilaWaya (kerbau@edge.edish-network.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] hi.. 1 question.. what is the best distro on the earth and moon? [10:33] hello again jgeboski [10:34] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-28-133.slkc.qwest.net expired. [10:34] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-28-133.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:35] GilaWaya: the one that suits your needs the best. silly question. [10:35] BP{k}: he's doing it in all the linux-based channels [10:35] Dominian: yeah, rather sad trolling. [10:35] hit here, #suse, and I believe #debian and a few others [10:36] slobad23: howdy. I actually have to bail for my math class now. I'll be back in a bit [10:36] I uninstalled Slackware yesterday because it was just freezing constantly. I figure I must have been doing something wrong and running away from a problem that fast doesn't really fit with my "I will learn Slackware to learn linux" theory :-D [10:37] wdyy (~wdyy@123.80.25.157) joined ##slackware. [10:37] i think slackware isnt suit for you slobad23 [10:37] I don't even think Linux is suit for you slobad23. [10:37] You can't "uninstall" Slackware. [10:38] Action: fortunev /ignore ... [10:38] i dont think people should think on behalf of other people that much [10:38] That's an easy question to answer. None. Linux wasn't around the last time we sent anything to the moon. [10:38] I just got in the conversation, sorry. [10:39] missyrissy: good catch! [10:39] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:39] Well I came back to it... I still don't think the "I would like it to work" line of thinking is entirely wrong :-P [10:40] WFM [10:40] Dominian, that's a new one, can you tell me what it means? [10:40] Works For Me [10:40] "works for me" [10:40] Oh. [10:40] In that case, wfm too. [10:40] In fact.. [10:40] Seems to be working for me this time round also... *shrugs* [10:40] I updated my VM from 12.2 to 13.1... while it was running yesterday with no issues [10:41] s/no/little-to-none/ ;) [10:41] hah no. No issues [10:41] some persl stuff had to be reinstalled, but I expected that :P [10:41] BP{k}, hah, Dom just doesn't want to admit it. [10:41] admit what? [10:41] Dominian: hah .. slackpkg? ;) [10:41] BP{k}: aye [10:41] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:41] Dominian, that you had problems with the upgrade, was just having fun. [10:42] slackpkg update.. downloaded a few source things from a/ and upgraded them.. then used slackpkg to upgrade the rest [10:43] I came back after problems (for me anyway, which seem to have disappeared because I learnt more in 4 hours yesterday than in 4 months of Ubuntu [10:43] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:46] stunix (1000@85.19.141.75) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:46] flash in seconds... slackbuilds isn't as bad as it first seemed. pkgtool is fast and slick. One thing.. how do i know if slackware is using my graphics card and not just using a stock graphics card driver... things seem to be a bit jerky which makes me think it's not correctly detected/configured [10:47] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [10:48] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] Srbo (~Srbo@pd95c4a4c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:48] slobad23: what video card are you using? [10:48] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.188.152) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:49] ...must be my breath [10:50] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.188.152) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:51] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:51] fortunev, intel mobile 4 series [10:51] Action: fortunev breathes on slobad23 [10:52] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [10:52] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [10:53] fortunev, Am I being a total idiot? [10:53] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:53] fortunev, everything is juddering like no other distro I have used and I Just wanted to make sure that all graphics were being displayed using the correct drivers. [10:55] GArik_ (~wesnoth@95-29-238-169.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:55] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-166-185.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] slobad23: as an official idiot myself, I can certify that you are no idiot. I woudl recommend you ask your question. If your video is goofy, what video care exactly do you have, and ask for specific help. [10:56] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:56] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:56] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [10:56] slobad23: what card is reported through "lspci -v" and what kernel driver is used? [10:56] And further, do you have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf slobad23? [10:57] and further what alienBOB said ... [10:58] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:58] lspci -v shows it's an intel mobile 4 series chipset. I do not know how to tell which kernel driver is being used. I have a file called /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa. [10:59] hrm... i have some wierd lag issues going on with KDE, i click on things and it sometimes takes 10 seconds to load up, like kate, terminal.. etc, that should not be happening on an AMD phenom II 3.2 GHz x6 8 gigs of ram [11:00] that's a standard file installed by the system (ie xorg really reads just xorg.conf .. something like xorg.conf-vesa is ignored) [11:00] That is the only xorg.conf file I have in the /etc directory. [11:00] its acting like its waiting for some service to wake up first before it allows me access [11:01] KaMii: check how much %cpu x is using. I had a similar problem recently. x was at %60+ [11:01] is there a service somewhere that kde programs register with, which like to put itself to sleep? [11:01] fortunev: its not my cpu I only get the lag when my cpu has been idling at 0% for some time [11:02] its like something is waiting to wake-up [11:03] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] KaMii: is your powerdevel profile set for performance or something else [11:03] idk, where is that? [11:04] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.100) joined ##slackware. [11:04] im remoting in now but its something like system > advanced > power management? somewhere around there [11:05] Okay, I'm changing my definition of Geek.... A geek is now: Someone who bites the heads off of chickens OR an elitist-smug nerd [11:06] well, I don't bite the heads of chickens .... [11:06] arfon: so Ozzie was a geek. Who whould have thunkit [11:06] Bats != chickens (except in Botswana) [11:07] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:07] Sorry, he did the dove [11:07] Still... [11:07] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [11:07] bats are just fancy chickens [11:07] :) [11:08] high falutin chickens with sonar! [11:08] How do you tell a geek? His first response to someone needing help is RTFM [11:08] chickens can't fly [11:08] alienBOB: in case, audacious isnt fixed yet: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/current-audacious-plugins-has-to-be-recompiled-against-libmowgli-829066/#post4081129 only issue is that it cannot play internet radios anymore [11:08] I want chickes with lasers on thier heads [11:09] better usage than sharks with lasers on their heads [11:09] Alan_Hicks: i did say high falutin / flyin chickens [11:09] pupit: audacious must indeed be recompiled. It is a known issue for -current and it is on the TODO [11:10] KaMii: were you able to find the power management settings? [11:10] Wiren (lfjs@mar44-3-82-235-66-69.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [11:10] I've seen chickens fly 10 feet or so... Okay, it was more of a controlled drop.... [11:10] can someone look at this make error for me, but i susspect its another libpng issue [11:10] That's what they get for eating so much grain and getting fat and lucious.... MMmmmmm chcken. [11:10] pastebin.ca/1931177 [11:11] alienBOB: roger that.. [11:11] http://pastebin.ca/1931177 [11:11] im trying to compile SpringRTS on slack64-13.1 using the 13.0 slacbuild of spring [11:12] why did alisonken1home just repost my web-link? [11:12] with the http in front of it makes it clickable for those of us using something like kvirc :) [11:12] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-94-246.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:12] oh [11:12] i dont use any of that fancy clickable link stuff on irc, lol [11:12] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [11:13] artaud_ (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:13] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:13] fortunev: i didnt find the power management setitngs on KDE [11:13] KaMii: apparently /usr/lib64/libIL.so is not linked against libpng [11:13] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.63.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:13] i dont think its a power management issue, i think its some subsystem that goes to sleep and when I want to run a program it takes a second for it to wake its lazy ass up [11:14] alienBOB: how do I link it? [11:14] oh, im using the latest verion of SpringRTS not the verion supplied by the SBo [11:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-101-73.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:14] KaMii: in kde4 with slackware13.1 is k->system settings->advanced->power management [11:14] KaMii: no idea. [11:15] KaMii: have a look http://tinyurl.com/39wzs9j Power Management [11:15] my system settings are set to performance [11:15] Coiuld it be that libpng is an option for libIL and it wasn't built with it enabled? [11:16] KaMii: check the profile for performance, and make sure its not putting the hard drive to sleep after some amount of time. It's a long shot, but I guess its possible [11:16] i hope not, libpng is part of the slack package set, i dont want to rebuild it [11:17] No. I meant libIL was built without libng? [11:17] (Wild guess) [11:17] fortunev: it is not turning anything off [11:17] just puts my monitor to sleep after 30 min [11:18] no cores are being turned off either, all 6 cores are active and always remain active [11:18] oh, is libIL DeVIL? [11:18] It's a desktop right? [11:18] yes its a desktop [11:18] i think its a kde issue [11:18] Why do you care if they are all active? [11:19] no battery... [11:19] ...just sayin [11:19] and idling doesn't take _that_ much extra juice [11:19] nope [11:19] well, performance typically means "keep me going baby" [11:19] im just saying its not turning anything off, so im not sure why i get the wait time in KDE when I want to load things like terminal and kate [11:20] terminal should load up before I even click on the icon, hehe [11:20] hitting swap? [11:20] no [11:20] depends on if the libs are already loaded [11:20] but cpu doesnt even budge [11:20] |Slacker| (~cris@189.32.35.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:21] nothing happens it just waits, then finally i see some action [11:21] its like a 10 second delay [11:21] I had a broken mouse that would send button clicks without me hitting the button... VERY annoying when terminals open before you click on them... [11:21] how about the second time [11:21] KaMii: how about the second time? [11:21] second time? [11:21] like close then reopen? [11:22] or open another terminal [11:22] like reboot and try again? [11:22] depends, sometimes wait sometimes not [11:22] fortunev: this isnt windoze [11:22] HA HA! Where's the registry file in Slackware? :)) [11:22] ...oh yea... convert gitters.... [11:22] try opening another terminal by calling konsole from within a console and see if there's some notes during start [11:22] arfon: hah [11:23] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:23] no notes [11:23] its strange because it doesnt happen all the time [11:23] only half the time [11:23] Mowah (~Mowah@c-b587e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:23] hmm - ps ax and see what else is running [11:24] and if I switch terminals, sometimes I have to wait 10 seconds to even begin typing in the already open terminal I switched to [11:24] top is your friend [11:24] sometimes that also happens when you have dhcp running but no network cable [11:24] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.188.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:24] arfon: top is always running in my conky [11:24] anyone recomend some movies to watch? [11:24] nothing is eating memor or cpu [11:24] HA HA!!! It's doing a DNS lookup to open a terminal! [11:24] lotec: try huludesktop? or hulu.com? [11:24] lotec: 12monkeys. great movie! 0n my top 10 [11:25] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.188.152) joined ##slackware. [11:25] lotec: Fail Safe [11:25] alisonken1home: i am looking threw netflix [11:25] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:25] bachelor party with tom hanks [11:25] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [11:25] lotec Fist Full of Dollars [11:25] i wonder if its that nepomuk server or stringi [11:25] lotec: if netflix doesn't have 12monkeys, thy should shut the doors and quietly leave town [11:25] KaMii, 2000 version or 1964 ? [11:26] 1964 [11:26] i didnt know they did a remake? barf [11:26] KaMii http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0235376/ [11:27] oh arfon i got the palm to sync [11:27] lotec: sometimes I look through the top 250 at imdb for movies I haven't seen and find some good ones [11:27] i figured it out, FINALLY [11:27] jpilot just worked? [11:27] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:27] WHAT WAS IT!?!?! [11:27] stupid people at J-pilot and pilot-xfer has it wrong [11:27] arfon: your gonna laugh [11:27] (I do that alot) [11:28] i have to hit the hotsync button on the palm pilot FIRST, then I hit hotsync in J-pilot [11:28] if I do it the other way, it wont work [11:28] HA HA!!! UR DUM. [11:28] :) [11:28] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@201.238.171.228) joined ##slackware. [11:28] but arfon in root, it doesnt matter [11:28] only as user [11:29] and J-pilot and pilot-xfer both say to hit the hotsync button in their program first, THEN to hit it on the palm [11:29] so they have is bass ackwards [11:29] I found it on some guys Fedora blog [11:30] bad programming on the part of pilot-xfer? [11:30] that's a start [11:31] i fail to see why the order would make such a huge difference [11:31] especially since, if your root, it works either way [11:32] it's a matter of j-pilot (java I presume?) having a timing issue with trying to open channel and hanging without doing any connection checks [11:32] so maybe its a udev thing saying, you did it in the wrong order, sorry try again [11:32] well, whatever it is, its it took me about a year to figure out [11:33] i should just try to learn how to code [11:33] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:34] artaud_ (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: reboot [11:34] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [11:35] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Sorry, had co-worker aggro there KaMii [11:39] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) joined ##slackware. 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[11:47] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:47] Beer makes anything possible Ken... [11:48] I don't think that perl has a limit and it's more determined by the computer on what it can take... anyone? [11:48] so does a vette :) [11:48] Action: arfon needs a vette [11:49] '57 maco shark would be what I'd be looking for [11:49] pre-90's one [11:49] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:49] I liked the looks of the 70's version [11:51] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [11:52] ok - make that a '67 mako shark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mako_Shark_%28concept_car%29 [11:52] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [11:52] lol sick [11:52] I thought 57 sounded wrong on that... [11:52] Srbo (~Srbo@pd95c4a4c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:52] yeah - I was thinking of the 50's era corvette that martin milner used in "route 66" [11:53] I tell you what, the late 50's bodies (without the 60's rear ends) looked sweet [11:53] among others :) [11:54] I don't know what they were thinking when they slapped the 60's style rear end on the 50's front.... [11:54] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [11:54] had an interview today and have a HORRIBLE feeling I put down on my short test they gave me that SQL runs by default on port 6603 [11:54] number dyslexia for the lose [11:54] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Yeah... those 50s women were something else, but they just got fat asses in the 60s. I blame the hippies. [11:54] oops [11:54] Doh! You were close enough [11:54] Gimme fender skirts over beads any day. [11:54] I know the port contained some numbers [11:55] That 'should' be good enough right? [11:55] If they ask, just tell them you run SQL on 6603 for port obscurity [11:55] thought it was 6607 myself [11:55] ken, if i saw you driving that... i'd purposely ram my car into you [11:55] 6609? [11:55] nah 07 [11:55] 3306 [11:55] jeev: and what's wrong with that car? [11:56] HA! We all would have failed! :) [11:56] eww. [11:56] 3306 is for the noobs who run things out of the box... everyone knows the first thing you do is change everything - fact [11:56] putting "fact" at the end of a statement makes it true - fact [11:57] That's what Debian does - fact [11:57] now i question everything you said that didn't end in 'fact' [11:57] fact, there's no need to change the port if you dont listen on an external interface.. fact. [11:57] Bah! You stupid idiots! No one uses integer port numbers! Floating point numbers are much more secure! [11:57] Alan_Hicks, is that a fact? [11:57] (Just don't use with Intel chips.) [11:57] slobad23: Fact! [11:57] hahah alan [11:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] fact s*rah pal*n is as smart as the average bear, fact [11:58] hopefully alan hicks cant decipher that [11:58] I put my ssh on port 22 1/3 [11:58] just as hairy too - fact [11:58] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [11:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:58] I personally run my sql servers on port pi^(e * 5.5) port. [11:58] lol 22 1/3 [11:58] Script NEVER find it there\ [11:59] all hackers worth their salt would try port 22 1/3! [11:59] Do you encrypt that port numer with AES so only people who know the number can connect Alan_Hicks ? [12:00] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:00] arfon: Of course not. I rely on the inherently fuzzy nature of floating point numbers to keep intruders out. [12:00] Good point slobad23, I'm goaan move it to port 22^-1 [12:00] saavedra29 (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:01] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-140-196.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:01] What if they are running a dictionary attack from a fuzzy math script? [12:01] Security makes me laugh anyway - longest password decryption that I did was one where the password was blank and the script I was throwing at it didn't try a blank password *shrug* - who's have thought no password was better than anything at all [12:01] i run all my mission-critical daemonson port sqrt(-1) [12:02] You're imagining things mancha [12:02] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [12:02] arfon: Two fuzzies don't make an integer. [12:02] But they do make for a warm bed at night [12:02] slobad23: You sir, are an idiot for not trying the empty password first. [12:03] ...says the man using floating point ports [12:03] arfon: Good point! That does often result in a nice pleasant "integer 1" for me on occassion. [12:03] an idiot... and sir... do they cancel each other out? [12:03] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:03] saavedra29 (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [12:03] Nick change: slobad23 -> Sir_Idiot [12:03] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [12:04] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Alan_Hicks: no, but 3 fuzzies make a baby [12:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:06] slaris (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:06] 3? [12:06] (he's into kink) [12:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_navel [12:08] Fuzzy Navel!?!? You big girl! [12:08] girl? don't tell my wife [12:08] (It's our secret) [12:11] slaris (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: ‘À¿ÇÎÁ·Ãµ [12:12] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:14] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:14] ok, compiled the latest version of DevIL... that was a chore really had to hack away at the slackbuild....... now i shall see if springRTS will compile [12:15] telnet localhost sqrt(-1) [12:15] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Quit: ([<>]) [12:15] Was it missing a libpng option? [12:15] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Fantom (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [12:16] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [12:16] shouldn't that be telnet localhost $(sqrt(-1))? [12:16] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Client Quit [12:16] Fantom (ghost@78.90.113.108) left ##slackware. [12:17] arfon: i looked and looked but couldnt see that it was missing anything, but there were a lot of patches in the sbo version, so I decided to build the newer version and see if that doesnt fix it [12:17] Ah [12:17] Action: arfon has fingers crossed [12:17] lamah (~lamah@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [12:17] lamah (~lamah@78.90.113.108) left irc: Changing host [12:17] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [12:18] lamah (lamah@fedora/lamah) left ##slackware. [12:18] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [12:18] bleh [12:18] What is SpringRTS anyway? [12:20] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] nope, same error [12:20] well this sucks [12:20] slaris (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:20] springrts is some opensource game engine [12:20] wanted to try it out, but i cant seem to build it [12:20] Like Ogre? [12:21] whats Ogre? [12:21] An Opensource game engine.... [12:21] |Slacker| (~cris@189.32.35.194) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Action: KaMii sighs [12:21] 3d game engine [12:22] hello everyone [12:22] Hi slaris [12:23] arfon are u a slacker too? [12:23] im new in the world of slackware [12:23] I try not be but my work day is pretty slow.... [12:23] Well, Welcome [12:23] thank you! [12:24] You cannot imagine the power of the dark side... [12:24] arfon: its a libpng issue [12:24] what do u meen? [12:24] the latest version of libpng is conflicting with SpringRTS [12:24] Just messing with you slaris [12:25] thats why its giving me that error, i saw the same thing in Celestia, and someone wrote a patch that fixed it [12:25] we need a libpng patch for springrts [12:25] slaris: Do you think you could please spell out words like "you"? I know texting is the "hip" thing these days, but you come off as an immature dumb-ass when you don't at least attempt to type properly. [12:25] Sorry KaMii :( [12:25] KaMii: Is springrts apart of the default Slackware tree? [12:25] cmair (~cmair@host248-27-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Dominian: of course not [12:26] Sounds like you'll be using the older version until the devs get on the stick. [12:26] otherwise I woul dnot be trying to build it [12:26] KaMii: So who do you suggest makes the patch? [12:26] last time I had this issue with celestia, someone in here made a patch and submitted it to the SBO [12:26] some smart people live in here [12:26] where? [12:26] Is the script your using from SBo? [12:27] Action: KaMii looks around and notices the mirror [12:27] lol [12:27] if so, make the request in #slackbuilds.. probably hit the proper audience then. [12:27] |Slacker| (~cris@189.32.35.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:27] KaMii: I would contact the maintainer of that SBo and see if he is working on the latest version.... [12:28] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-140-196.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: quitter [12:28] ya, maybe i will try to do that, but wanted to know if anyone on here could help [12:28] I chatted with two seperate SBo maintainers and they were exceedingly helpful. [12:29] well im pretty sure its a libpng issue, so maybe all they need to do is look at the celestia patch and try to use that as a guide? [12:29] idk, i have no idea how to write a patch or any of that [12:30] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [12:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:32] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:34] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [12:35] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Anyone know how to limit the number of copies of a program that inetd can spawn? [12:40] yes [12:41] sweet! [12:41] Does the answer contain "ulimit"? [12:42] in emacs is w3m support something that needs to be switched on at compile time? [12:45] Hopsa (~Hopsa@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:47] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:47] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:48] trying again.... [12:48] recompiled DevIL with some new switches enabled [12:49] maybey I needed to manually tell configure to enable x86_64 support [12:49] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:49] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [12:50] damn, i was using c style comments in my bash script [12:50] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:51] should i run xorgsetup after install or is it not necessary to use an xorg.conf file? [12:51] Sir_Idiot: what version of slackware did you install? [12:51] 13.1 [12:51] what video card do you have? [12:52] integrated intel mobile 4 series [12:52] shouldnt need to run xorgsetup [12:52] graphics are much slower in slackware than it has been in ubuntu and fedora [12:53] if opengl isnt working, you need to install those modules, then you may need to run the xorgsetup, but not sure i use NVIDIA [12:53] you probably didnt install the modules for your graphics card [12:53] cmair (cmair@host248-27-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [12:54] All I have done is install the Slackware DVD, that's it [12:54] well arfon im still getting that png error [12:54] never had to do this in ubuntu so will have to figure out how to install modules [12:54] Sir_Idiot: research your graphics card, make sure you get the drivers/modules, install them [12:55] How ridiculous is it that I have no idea what I am doing when it comes to installing modules :-D [12:55] Sir_Idiot: Not really ridiculous. You've just never done it before i assume [12:56] the graphics card module will probably come in a .run file, all you do is chmod + x that file, the ./nameoffile [12:56] Nope, never [12:56] and do this as root [12:56] So I need to go to intel I take it and find this module or should I find it on slackbuilds? [12:56] Jeddeb (~Jeddeb@modemcable109.239-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Sir_Idiot: your choice, inetl or SBo, doesnt matter [12:57] Salam Guys [12:57] spectre (kyle@pool-98-109-75-137.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [12:57] there are in server slackware kde4 how could download it all? [12:57] Iraqi: wget [12:57] ok, well I can't find it in slackbuilds repo... so intel it is [12:57] Sir_Idiot: have a look at this http://tinyurl.com/232nye9 Not sure if its your exact card, but this may help [12:57] Iraqi: but your internet is slow and kde4 is huge its going to take you about a day [12:58] or maybe even 3 days [12:58] wget is must be one by one but i want all one time [12:58] lftp [12:58] Iraqi: man wget [12:58] how much size kde4? [12:58] you can download more than one file at a time [12:58] wget will do a whole directory I think [12:58] How come X server uses the default built-in configuration even if I have xorg.conf? [12:58] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@201.238.171.228) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:58] Iraqi: KDE4 is HUGE [12:58] you wont beable to download it all in one day [12:58] Jeddeb: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log [12:59] KaMii: look at this : http://forums.remote-exploit.org/backtrack3-howtos/17280-how-install-kde-4-1-backtrack-d.html [12:59] Sir_Idiot: what driver is loaded in xorg.conf now ? I have driver "intel" and i get opengl, very nice btw. [12:59] 379M kde (but that is just KDE, you problably miss out on deps that way [12:59] Iraqi: thats for backtrack [12:59] this is slackware [12:59] Hopsa, I have no xorg.conf file at the moment [12:59] no no [12:59] just check it [12:59] it's slackware [13:00] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [13:00] Sir_Idiot: lsmod and see if you have i915 or so loaded [13:00] kde4 slackware for bt4 [13:00] Backtrack is not slackware, and I would not trust a backtrack forum to help me with a slackware issue [13:00] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF13F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] did you check it? [13:00] Iraqi: BT4 is not based on slackware. [13:00] Sir_Idiot: also check that drm is loaded. [13:01] I have i915 one in column one and a multitude of times in column two [13:01] KaMii: is there kde 4 slackware by torrent? [13:01] BT is debian [13:01] drm is the same [13:01] there is a slackware torrent. [13:01] BP{k}, go read in wikipad about bt is based slackware [13:01] Iraqi: torrent? well there are .iso torrents, but i forget which disk kde is on [13:01] Sir_Idiot: the first column is the module that's loaded - the second column is what modules rely on the module listed in column 1 [13:01] alisonken1home, Thanks [13:02] KaMii: #2 me thinks [13:02] Iraqi: why? I don't use BT. I don't care about BT. [13:02] it is mentioned on the "Get Slack" page anyways [13:02] Hopsa, So that drivers works fine for you then? [13:02] I have so much to learn when it comes to linux [13:02] just for your information not more [13:02] Action: KaMii goes to research this libpng issue [13:02] KDE should be on disc 3 [13:02] oh [13:02] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:02] Sir_Idiot: I'm using that module on my older laptop - works fine even with eyecandy enabled (rotating cube desktop, etc.) [13:03] I think ggslive.com and the way it loads all it's videos is eating my video memory!!! [13:03] Iraqi: your internet is slow, KDE is going to take you a long time to download, I would use XFCE instead, you can download that one fast [13:03] KaMii, did you just remember any words about this image files i will google it [13:03] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) joined ##slackware. [13:03] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] what is XFCE instead? [13:03] alisonken1home: this is weird... Xorg0.log is not there... even messages and syslog... wtf? [13:03] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [13:03] BBL y'all [13:03] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.100) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:04] XFCE is a KDE like Window Manager that is a lot lighter [13:04] XFCE isnt a window manager :x [13:04] Xorg DOT zero DOT log [13:04] Sir_Idiot: Hmm, then you should have opengl i think. run xdriinfo [13:04] Iraqi: Besides, it does say on the wikipedia page that BT4 is based on Debian. Regardless, if Backtrack wants to play in the distro field, they should pull their finger out of their backside and support their own distro instead of skiving off and trying to push clueless users to the "based-off" distro for help. [13:04] no no i want kde 4 because to update my app too not for preview desktop [13:04] Jeddeb: ^^ [13:04] alisonken1home sorry my bad, never mind the missing logs [13:04] Hopsa, alisonken1home It is this stupid sites with a million videos and their own embedded media player... works ok when i get rid of it. Just installed Urban Terror and it runs okay which seems like a good enough test [13:05] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.53.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:05] BP{k}: word! [13:05] since your internet is slow, I would choose one of the alternate ones, and not worry about KDE, because even if you get KDE you still have to grab all the libs it requires. it will take you long time to get it working [13:05] If its for backtrack linux.. go bother them Iraqi [13:05] Hopsa, screen 0 : i965 [13:05] Sir_Idiot: yep - some of those video sites suck :) [13:05] Sir_Idiot: Thats ok, you have opengl. Then whats the problem ? :) [13:05] BP{k}: BT4 is based on ubuntu, wait, no, debian, wait, no, fedora, wait, no, slackware, wait, no, it's just a big mess :-) [13:05] Hopsa: video site :) [13:06] adrien: amen lol [13:06] *g* [13:06] I thought it was based off of openBSD! [13:06] Dominian, just asking about kde4 slackware not more [13:06] Hopsa, I thought it was the card messing up but it seems to be a site containing lots of videos messing with everything. [13:06] Dominian: it's based on opendarwin! [13:06] KaMii, thanks man [13:06] BP{k}: oh snap [13:06] and thanks all [13:06] BP{k}: xD [13:06] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] bye bye [13:06] Iraqi (Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:06] Besides, Backtrack3 was based on an older version of Slackware in a period where there wasn't any KDE4. So the best you would get to hope for is KDE3. KDE4 on BT3 is just not going to work. KDE4 on BT4 .. go ask the BT devs or a debian/ubuntu chnanel [13:06] Aha! A site that uses some new video showing things that works badly. [13:06] Oh fat arsed rats! [13:07] BT4 is based off... well they all forget because its such a mess they decided to include every major distro [13:07] Fat arsed rats. [13:07] Sir_Idiot: Yep... what url ? [13:07] KaMii: windows me? ;) [13:07] haha [13:07] haha [13:07] Hopsa, Thanks for the help anyway. I don't knw how I'm going to learn all this stuff you guys know. URL was ggslive.com/videos.html [13:07] what was the opensource windows clone again? [13:07] ReactOS [13:07] ya [13:08] it was probably based off that [13:08] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Sir_Idiot: Ive been learning for 15 years and im still learning :) [13:08] Slackware is the first distro I have used with kde and it's... different to the gnome I'm used to [13:08] Sir_Idiot: I've been playing with slackware since 1993 and I still learn things every week [13:08] Action: KaMii is still thinking about installing gnome sbo [13:09] alisonken1home the log doesnt say much that I understand... for example, what is Loader Magic 0x1de0 ? [13:09] Jeddeb: I'd need to see the context [13:09] Sir_Idiot: You could use Gnome SlackBuild or use XFCE it's GTK like Gnome without all the bloat [13:09] Well I wouldn't hesitate in ubuntu to apt-get install gnome-desktop but I think I will stick with what slackware gives me and adventure one program at a time... leave gnome for tomorrow :-D [13:09] http://pastebin.ca and upload your Xorg.0.log file [13:10] just for fun i might install gnome today [13:10] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [13:10] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:10] KaMii, you're braver than me! [13:11] its easy to uninstall [13:11] Sir_Idiot: XFCE is a marvelous desktop environment. It's a lot like Gnome 1.4 back in the day. Fast, light-weight, and highly configurable. [13:11] Do you guys have no fear (unlike me) when it comes to installing large applications from slackbuilds? [13:11] I do it all the time [13:11] Sir_Idiot: No fear at all. [13:11] Sir_Idiot: yes, I am virtually fearless. [13:11] always have some computer playing [13:11] Fear is the mind killer [13:11] Fat arsed rats. [13:11] it's the little death [13:12] alisonken1home: No, the "little death" is something else entirely. [13:12] Alan_Hicks, Do you dislike KDE then? I just thought it was what most Slackware users would favour as that's what I saw on Slackware reviews. [13:12] Sir_Idiot: I've installed OpenOffice a number of times. That's pretty big. [13:12] alisonken1home: http://pastebin.ca/1931256 [13:12] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Sir_Idiot: I'm not a KDE fan, no. [13:12] Alan_Hicks: last I recall, the little death was about fear and the other death was the water of life, but it's been a few decades :) [13:13] sorry one other question [13:13] no water of life is what the reverend mother has to change [13:13] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:13] how install .run ? [13:13] filename.run? [13:13] Alan_Hicks, What's wrong with it? [13:13] alisonken1home: google for "shakespeare little death" [13:13] Jeddeb: there should bew more [13:13] sh filename.run [13:13] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.173) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Iraqi: chmod +x name of file then ./nameoffile [13:13] Sir_Idiot: Just not my cup of tea. [13:13] hmmm... in french literature, orgasm is the "little death" [13:13] or sh filename.run [13:13] Alan_Hicks: "the little death" about fear is from Frank Herbert :) [13:14] shonude: that's what i had in mind ;) [13:14] thanks too much [13:14] bye bye [13:14] ^^ yay, dune is the best ever [13:14] Iraqi (Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:14] Yikes, he would come into IRC to ask that rather than read the file's own documentation! [13:15] Jeddeb: looks like you have an ATI chipset in there [13:15] Don't get too excited everyone... I have just installed the dependencies for VirtualBox and successfully configured VirtualBox to work on my new Slackware install... how cool, am I??! :-D [13:15] alisonken1home: i thought the little death was the water of life and death is fear [13:15] Fat arsed rats, as some might say. :) [13:15] hehe [13:15] KaMii: reread the book [13:15] alisonken1home yeah, well its mach64 and I can't enable 3d acceleration because it basically sucks [13:15] alisonken1home: i read it like 4 times and im on god emperor dune right now [13:15] Jeddeb: ok - mach64 is fun [13:16] but i forget, i can check my dune encycopdiae [13:16] i simultaneously love/hate wikipedia... it does allow for this, however: [13:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_petite_mort [13:16] lol [13:16] is that about eating escargot? [13:17] ..... [13:17] not unless it leads to orgasm, KaMii [13:17] no that's a prelude and an euphenism ;) [13:17] now, see the length of this page http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_petite_mort ;-) [13:17] O.o [13:17] sometimes it feels like wikipedia is full of random text [13:17] Cr1kk4 (fabio@93-41-225-238.ip83.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [13:17] sometimes... [13:18] BP{k}: what a perfect way to point out why it's love/hate with wikipedia [13:18] :) [13:18] sorry, adrien (not BP{k}) [13:19] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.70.173) joined ##slackware. [13:19] but adrien everything french is sex based [13:19] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:33] welcome to ##smutware [13:35] hrm... twitter updated or changed something i think becaues none of my twitter apps work, they are all saying the same problem, that my user name and password is wrong, and its impossible for them all to have the wrong data, since I never changed any of them [13:35] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:35] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:35] KaMii: welcome to the wonders of bad oauth! [13:36] KaMii: http://arstechnica.com/security/guides/2010/09/twitter-a-case-study-on-how-to-do-oauth-wrong.ars [13:36] well its been days, how dumb is twitter? [13:36] KaMii, indeed [13:36] thanks to mwalling =) [13:36] KaMii, which apps? [13:36] hey, is there a channel dedicated to SlackwareARM ? [13:36] mitter, twit-el and gtk-twit(somthingrather) [13:36] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [13:36] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:37] I thought slackwareARM was dead [13:37] best to look on their websites for updates and if you got them from sbo email maintainers [13:37] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:37] |Slacker| (~cris@189.32.35.194) joined ##slackware. [13:37] I use choqok which the latest version uses oauth [13:37] dive: checked, and not even the websites have anyone posting they are offline [13:38] I may upload my choquk slackbuild [13:38] KaMii, if your twitter apps dont work, that's a good sign. stop using it. [13:38] haha [13:38] since it'll be a while to get through perding [13:38] er pending [13:38] KaMii: armedslack is pretty much alive and an official slackware port. [13:38] well what idiot decided to change the oauth and why? [13:38] KaMii, twitter decided to start using it some time ago [13:39] and now they've stopped normal login [13:39] a couple of days ago [13:39] KaMii: "armedslack" [13:39] and it's now officially supported/endorsed [13:39] jeev++ :-) [13:40] slaris (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: ‘À¿ÇÎÁ·Ãµ [13:40] KaMii: decided to _force_ oauth, and you should really really read that article in its entirety (well, at least the first two pages) [13:41] hrm.... i think that 1 gig hdd i bought may be bad.... [13:41] 1 gig? [13:41] it makes some very horrible noises about once an hour [13:41] Slackware ARM [13:41] err 1TB [13:41] ah :-) [13:41] sounds like metal scraping against metal [13:42] wonder if the mail man drop kicked the box it was in [13:42] don't sound too good [13:42] the hardware checks all say the drive is ok, but something is making a horrid noise [13:42] is it like copper against aluminum or is it more like zinc against brass? [13:42] i dont think its a fan, it sounds like metal scraping metal [13:42] KaMii: call for an exchange? [13:43] mancha: it's like a beryllium reflector next to a uranium tamper...duh [13:43] KaMii: if it's the drive it would be a whining sound. scraping sound sounds like a possible cpu fan [13:43] :S nooo not my cpu fan [13:43] Nick change: missyrissy -> manlyrisaohverym [13:43] Nick change: manlyrisaohverym -> manlyrisaveryman [13:44] well its working, but maybe its tight enough? [13:44] KaMii: I have a hard drive that periodically makes noises on its own (well, something must trigger it but there's no I/O, might also be cache-flushing) [13:44] like my grandpappy always said: try some wd-40 [13:45] well im not using the stock cpu fan [13:45] i put in an arctic cooler [13:45] because, its from the arctic, and so am I [13:45] Sir_Idiot (~slobad23@92.17.229.218) joined ##slackware. [13:45] KaMii: also, using dd to completely write on your disk will tell if there are errors (there might be a utility for that but dd works) [13:46] adrien: I did a full fsck on it when I got it, said everything was good [13:46] KaMii, if you want to test out choqok: http://www.dawoodfall.net/slackbuilds/13.1/choqok/ [13:46] maybe it is the fan, maybe i installed it wrong [13:46] it needs qoauth and qjson from slackbuilds.org though [13:46] fsck or disk check? basically, did this fsck took *hours* to run? [13:46] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [13:46] adrien: yup it took forever as always [13:47] but I always do that on a new drive because I want to make sure its good before I start using it [13:47] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.190) joined ##slackware. [13:48] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [13:48] grrr that iraqi guy sent me PM wanting me to upload BT4 to him.... he keeps thinking BT4 is Slackware.... [13:49] I was recently looking for a ninja assassin in order to kill people who thought they'd make better build systems than autotools or anything else already running, it could also be used against backtrack guys I think [13:50] anyone wants to help with the funding? :-) [13:50] alisonken1home: if you wanna see the full Xorg.o.log http://pastebin.ca/1931284 [13:50] hahaha [13:50] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [13:50] adrien: and his slackware ninja assasin squad [13:51] Action: dive cmakes adrien [13:51] Action: KaMii thinks adrien has a slackware tatto on his chest [13:51] Jeddeb: ok - must be an arm thing because mine doesn't do the loader magic thing [13:52] dive: yeah, that's actually the only alternative I'd allow, my problem is with cross-compilation, cmake is only beginning to support it [13:52] KaMii: nope, no tatto, no logo, nothing [13:52] what would pat think of you adrien??? [13:52] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [13:53] Jeddeb: do you have an xorg.conf file setup? [13:54] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [13:54] alisonken1home yes, but it's just ignored when I start x [13:55] is it /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [13:55] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:55] yep, and there's /etc/X11/xorg-vesa.conf [13:56] |Slacker| (~cris@189.32.35.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:57] I would start in runlevel 3, then run "X -c /etc/X11/xorg.conf" then see what /var/log/xorg.0.log shows [13:58] |Slacker| (~cris@189.32.35.194) joined ##slackware. [13:59] alisonken1home: ok, i'll try this [13:59] or is it " X -C /etc/X11/xorg.conf" - try it both ways [13:59] didn alienBOB tell me to email the maintainer of springRTS on Slackbuilds? [13:59] because he IS the maintainer [13:59] I don't think X should really be called on its own ever :p [14:00] sometimes he drinks too much :> [14:00] and the problem is either in DevIL or springRTS, but I think the issue is in DevIL an issue with libpng 1.4.3 conflicting [14:00] *HOW* DO THEY MANAGE? [14:00] thrice`: the idea is to see what Xorg.0.log shows and validate whether it will load his xorg.conf file [14:00] how does mozilla manage to make so many craps? [14:00] but I dont know how to fix it, I read somewhere that possibly something needs to be included in the makefile.in [14:00] adrien: magic [14:00] shouldn't you be spawning with xinit and xsession goodies though? [14:01] you could try startx [14:01] seamonkey apparently decided that my screen was bigger than 1280x800 and that it should create a window bigger than that [14:01] the workiness is a bit more obvious [14:01] hrm, i'll go into the #slackbuilds room and annoy them with this [14:01] thrice`: again - the idea is to see if his X will load the config file - it's showing that it's using builtin config and not xorg.conf [14:01] since firefox and seamonkey try to replace window managers anyway [14:01] wut? [14:01] since when? [14:01] always [14:02] replace? [14:02] they don't respect what the window manager tells them and do what they want [14:02] for window placement for instance [14:02] worked for me [14:02] I have two screens and it should start on the screen where the mouse cursor is, instead it starts on the screen it was on last (when it was closed) [14:03] as for my current issue... [14:03] Jeddeb (~Jeddeb@modemcable109.239-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:03] it looks like it decided to make a *maximized* window take 1920x1080 pixels, which is the size of my other screen, which I haven't plugged for 3 or 4 days [14:03] oh, and I've rebooted and started and quit seamonkey cleanly several times [14:04] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:04] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Sir_Idiot (~slobad23@92.17.229.218) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:04] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [14:04] ^Rehan (~chatzilla@115.167.14.225) joined ##slackware. [14:05] NaCl: also, it might not appear to be the case on every computer, basically, many window manager will *force* the placement to work-around that [14:05] a well-behaved application gets a hint for the WM and respects it (since it's up to the application to place itself), firefox definitely doesn't [14:06] hm [14:06] openbox doesn't (didn't?) do that, others like kwin, metacity... do [14:07] when I load firefox the first time after startup, it places it wherever it wants [14:07] <^Rehan> please tell me about English Learning channel [14:08] #english ? [14:08] sesame street [14:08] sunny days, looking up, clouds away [14:08] <^Rehan> i want to improved English Language [14:08] NaCl: well, it should behave like other windows (and I have configured them in a particular way) [14:09] ^Rehan: why do you think a channel like ##slackware would give you the answer? [14:09] adrien: once I tell it to reload the tabs, it then goes where it wants [14:10] NaCl: after a crash, when I tell it to restore the session, it minimizes to task bar, only problem is that I don't have a task bar [14:10] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) joined ##slackware. [14:10] was pretty funny to figure out what was going on the first time I witnessed that [14:10] "what? it already crashed again?" [14:11] it doesn't crash for me [14:11] m00py (~topcat@212.150.147.230) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:12] NaCl: I mean: it disappeared completely, I didn't know it had miminized itself on its own [14:12] I think I noticed it at my conky setup (displays process names) [14:12] maybe the ram graph too :P [14:12] doesn't dod that herre [14:13] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:13] again, that could be something one program on your computer works around [14:15] kk [14:15] Action: NaCl runs off for a bit [14:15] _RadioHead (~User@82.114.94.252) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Barwish_ (~Barwish@222.190.105.138) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Sir_Idiot (~slobad23@89.241.37.239) joined ##slackware. [14:17] <_RadioHead> evening [14:17] good job I accidentally installed 32bit Slackware. So many Slackbuilds say "not for x86_64" [14:17] yeah.......... [14:17] iceheart (~Barwish@222.190.105.138) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:18] adrien, would that not be a problem for those who do go 64 bit? (I am really quite new to this so just point out my mistake if I'm wrong) [14:18] I'm going to run hurd, errrrrr, gnu/hurd, it's 32bit and should have a better compet [14:18] Sir_Idiot: how do you accidentally install slack 32? [14:18] Downloading various discs one day and just mislabelled it by the looked of things [14:19] Nick change: manlyrisaveryman -> comander_rhisa [14:19] well, it's not that hard: they look alike except for the occasional "64" digits [14:19] lol [14:19] Sir_Idiot: never had a problem [14:19] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [14:19] adrien, Do you not come across software you want but just can't get it on slackbuilds? [14:19] arf... anyone good at making patches? [14:19] almost all the third party stuff I have added has been unavailable for 64 bit [14:20] Sir_Idiot: multilibs [14:20] <_RadioHead> i have a problem starting firefox on -current i did not have time to check why [14:20] Sir_Idiot: no [14:20] and as KaMii said, multilib [14:20] KaMii: yes, I'm good at making patches [14:21] multilib? this is new to me. Is this something specific to Slackware or do all distros use it? [14:21] hopefully you haven't asked if anyone was good at making *good* patches [14:21] Sir_Idiot: thats what you get when you try to run apps made in then 1980s on you x64 architecture [14:21] <_RadioHead> when i start from firefox nothing appears ... [14:21] Sir_Idiot: allows to run 32bit apps on 64bit, needs additional steps to have it running on slackware64 (but not hard) [14:21] adrien: Hurd is a GNU project, so you don't have to say GNU/Hurd. RMS won't come after you. [14:21] adrien: naw, i dont care if its good hehehe, i just want the patch thats full of bugs and security issues so my system is easily exploitable just like windoze [14:22] Alan_Hicks: you never know, and you wouldn't want that to happen :P [14:22] Alan_Hicks: I've seen him yelling about that live ;-) [14:22] <_RadioHead> anyone an idea? [14:22] <_RadioHead> hi Alan_Hicks [14:22] Stallman is just nuts. [14:22] So if and when I do install a 64 bit version of Slackware, one of the first things I should do is configure it to run multilib? [14:22] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) joined ##slackware. [14:22] _RadioHead: helps if you give more information about your firefox error [14:22] Sir_Idiot: Only if you want/need multi-lib. [14:22] Or spend some time creating packages for the 64 bit versions of software and stop being so lazy :-D [14:23] Alan_Hicks: yeah... hoped he could keep his temper [14:23] Sir_Idiot: google multilib slackware there you will find the wiki [14:23] Alan_Hicks, By the looks of things, all the software I have installed from slackbuilds doesn't come in 64 bit, so will need to do it [14:23] Sir_Idiot: the question is: have you actually had trouble with a slackbuild? [14:23] Nick change: eldragon -> maharba [14:23] <_RadioHead> KaMii- no error , only blinking cursor when i start ff from konsole [14:23] adrien: He's a hippie in the 21st century. There's no way he can keep his temper. [14:23] Sir_Idiot: "all the software I have installed from slackbuilds doesn't come in 64 bit" ... like what? [14:23] _RadioHead: why are you running -current? i doubt your a developer [14:24] You can run -current without being a developer KaMii [14:24] adrien, Not yet. If I was on 64 bit, I would. Now I know I can still have all that software working with multilib I'm a lot happier :-) [14:24] KaMii: you can always run windows apps under wine, that should help with getting lots of flaws [14:24] alienBOB: ya thats true, but you will probably get into a lot of troubles [14:24] Sir_Idiot: Just recompile it and screw multi-lib. [14:24] <_RadioHead> i always run -current but i mess up with some pkgearlier [14:24] adrien: i do use wine, for my WoW and sims 3 [14:25] Wine Minesweeper! [14:25] Sir_Idiot: well, of course you'll find possible problems but as long as you don't actually have them... [14:25] hahaha [14:26] KaMii: -current is actually quite useable [14:26] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [14:26] i thought it was best left for the developers [14:27] because its not stable [14:27] MadneX (~nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [14:27] IT IS [14:27] it is? i thought current wasnt stable [14:27] oh, sorry, sorry [14:27] i thought its never stable, its current [14:27] I thought you meant 64bit wasn't stable [14:27] and -current is best left to developpers, yeah, definitely [14:28] careful or they'll developp your ears off [14:28] i mean ya anyone can run it, but I [14:28] i would do nightly updates [14:28] adrien, The question was actually "I have noticed that all the software I have been installing doesn't come available for x86_64. I might like to use the 64 bit version of Slackware one day; would this just be a nightmare if all the software I want won't work from slackbuilds?" The answer "Configuring your system to use multilib" means that I shouldn't. Good to know - I thought for a moment 64 bit Slackware was just useless @-S [14:29] Sir_Idiot: which software? can you mention one or two? [14:29] i think hes talking about binarys [14:29] KaMii: slackware-current is more stable than the majority of other distro's "stable" version [14:29] virtualbox, flash (apparently has issues), netbeans [14:30] vbox should, flash has issues everywhere anyway, netbeans no idea [14:30] alisonken1home: I totally agree with that! but still, I am just saying it should probably be left for developers or people who know enough about slackware to deal with it [14:30] adobe has "temporarily" suspended 64-bit development [14:30] of flash [14:30] KaMii: "developers or people who know enough about slackware" are separate things [14:30] probably a good thing, 64 bit flash has security issues i guess [14:30] alisonken1home: you forgot to mention that current also introduces bugs from time to time =) [14:30] flash is a security issue period. not just 64-bit flash [14:31] haha, but we are forced to use it [14:31] alisonken1home: s/security // ;-) [14:31] Action: KaMii just wants adobe to go away [14:31] here's to hoping goggle codecs become the next "standard" [14:31] alisonken1home: goggle? [14:31] adrien: that too :) [14:32] google - not just goggles [14:32] :) [14:32] nyRednek: past bedtime [14:32] basically I want to make sure that I can keep track of everything with pkgtool and if it's not going to be available on slackbuilds, I won't be able to do that with a 64 bit version compiled from source. Multilib though... will look into it. Again, is multilib something employed by just Slackware or a variety of distros? [14:32] i would prefer goggle over google [14:32] alisonken1home: oh...you mean the html5 stuff? [14:32] Sir_Idiot: yes you can compiling from source, you makepkg [14:32] Sir_Idiot: if you package it, you can track it [14:32] then installpkg [14:32] alisonken1home: well, gnash actually decodes everything on youtube now [14:33] a bit less performant than flash but at least, it should improve [14:33] adrien: thanks for that tidbit [14:33] or, look in /extra there is a program in there that says it can track source compiling [14:33] i forget the name [14:33] what's this makepkg of which you speak?!!? :-D [14:33] nyRednek: htm5 is just the next multimedia upgrade to html - I mean the google codec for video that they just opened up under gpl [14:33] Sir_Idiot: man makepkg [14:33] if you're on slackware [14:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:33] I am indeed [14:34] nyRednek: hmm? [14:34] ah [14:34] Well I am learning new things by the second [14:34] installpkg/removepkg/upgradepkg/makepkg are all slackware package management tools - that are bash shell scripts [14:35] nyRednek: it's the release from a few days ago, less than two weeks [14:35] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.63.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:35] GArik_ (~wesnoth@95-29-238-169.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:35] Hm, does anyone know why sometimes I do something on this computer, it freezes for a couple of seconds before resuming what it was doing? Say audacious, it would freeze a couple of seconds before resuming the song. Or say firefox would freeze before loading the website. Or dolphin would freeze before loading all the thumbnails or whatever I click on. [14:36] makepkg looks a little daunting for the ubuntu converts... but i'll give it a go. For a second there I thought you would just point it at the source and job done. [14:36] Sir_Idiot: use slackbuilds instead [14:36] alisonken1home: I heard there were issues with webm/vp8 too, issues that weren't simply FUD, but I need to look that up [14:36] comander_rhisa: slow disk? [14:37] alisonken1home: oh, isn't that codec just mpeg? [14:37] I won't shy away from it too much. I will try to make a package one day. Then maybe I can put my own 64 bit versions of the software I use up on slackbuilds and shut my whinging mouth :-D [14:37] Sir_Idiot: it's easy, read a slackbuild to see how it is used, and there's a manpage too [14:37] ^Rehan (~chatzilla@115.167.14.225) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.7/20100723203800] [14:37] if you really want to use that [14:37] Sir_Idiot: slackbuilds is a place for scripts to run that compiles sources [14:38] adrien: is it on SBo yet? [14:38] NyteOwl (~nodezero@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:38] nyRednek: maybe, but in any case, you can take the slackbuild and change the version number [14:39] Slackers like to compile their own 3rd party apps, we dont like repositories that much, well some do, but i think the majority would rather build it themself via a slackbuild [14:39] nyRednek: no - html5 video tag is just a video tag - it's up to the browser to decode it [14:39] adrien, slow disk? But this has never happened in 13.0, just 13.1. [14:40] comander_rhisa, desktop effects on? [14:40] comander_rhisa: im getting the same issue in my KDE, i think its a kde service that likes to go to sleep and slow to wake up [14:40] anyway - morning all -time for bed [14:40] and also which wm? [14:40] KaMii, same thing huh. [14:40] dive, hm I forget how to check. [14:40] system settings [14:41] Yeah it's on but like I said I doubt it's that, I have a Q6600 cpu and a 9600gt NVIDIA. [14:41] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.102) joined ##slackware. [14:41] ya, same here, Im on 3.2 ghz 6 cores so I should not get lag either [14:41] Howdy [14:41] alisonken1home: ok, so youtube is using the google codec for their html5-tagged videos? [14:42] comander_rhisa, try turning effects and testing a while [14:42] with a termial open if I type kate I get a message about some service [14:42] effects off* [14:42] dive, a while ago I tried that (setting it to low cpu and low effect) but it still did that to me.\ [14:43] comander_rhisa, I mean turn them off completely [14:43] KDE core services [14:43] Aw why? :'( [14:43] untick the box and apply [14:43] nyRednek: h264 I think, and rolling webm/vp8 [14:43] But what makes you think it's that? [14:43] comander_rhisa, just to see if it is that that's causing the freeze [14:43] The thing is the freezes are very sporadic. [14:44] same issue here comander_rhisa [14:44] i susspec stringi [14:44] but i havent turned it off yet to test [14:44] And even with very high setting, now, it is no longer lagging. [14:45] comander_rhisa: what setting did you change? [14:45] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:46] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] KaMii, I believe I was in system setting, I had it set to - high display reso and high cpu in style setting. [14:46] I also have set to low display and cpu but that made no sense. [14:47] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Right, well I'm off to my games night. Have been learning with Slackware and I think it's awesome. Both as a learning experience and as a quick distribution. Anyone in here who is responsible for maintaining Slackware, you're doing an amazing job. Thanks for all the help today guys and girls. I'm out [14:47] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BE46B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:51] |Slacker| (~cris@189.32.35.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:51] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:52] three of hearts [14:53] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:54] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-84-250.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:56] flambaz (~flambers@unaffiliated/flambers) joined ##slackware. [14:57] howdy [14:57] Hi flambaz [14:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.220.0) left irc: Quit: http://v4nelle.dyndns.org [14:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.220.0) joined ##slackware. [14:58] adrien: any news on a mozilla plugin-capable light browser other than midori? [14:59] caravel? :P [14:59] adrien: never heard of it [14:59] midori kinda works, but not well [14:59] guess who's making it? :P [14:59] s/\?// [14:59] adrien: you? [14:59] yeah :P [15:00] adrien: how far you got with it? i'm down for testing it [15:00] adrien: also, does it use webkit? [15:01] nyRednek: webkit-gtk, why? [15:01] adrien: i think that be buggy [15:02] nyRednek: yeah, it has some bugs, it's still quite young [15:02] nyRednek: btw, which version do you have? [15:03] adrien: of...? [15:03] webkit-gtk [15:05] /var/log/packages/webkitgtk-1.2.1-i486-1alien [15:05] 1.2.3 available [15:06] I heard it had security holes however, they should be patched in a very close 1.2.4 [15:06] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:06] adrien: for some reason, i'm unable to compile webkit [15:07] nyRednek: hmmm, what's the error? [15:07] and, slackware64? [15:07] also, 1.2.3 uses a different api for icu4c so you'd have to update icu too [15:08] jaminja_ (~jaminja@74.81.170.5) joined ##slackware. [15:08] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:09] adrien: it dies [15:09] nyRednek: also, if you are on slackware64, I can make packages for you [15:09] adrien: and on 32 bit [15:09] no errors, just sudden death [15:09] nyRednek: hmmmm, any message? also, how high is memory usage? [15:09] adrien: i think i run out of memory [15:10] MadneX (~nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:10] nyRednek: and if the slackbuild uses "make -jX", try "make -jX || make" [15:10] adrien: i have 128mb of ram [15:10] argh [15:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:10] I think a single instance of ld (when linking) takes more than that [15:11] Action: slackie hey buddies \o [15:11] there's a flag... [15:11] adrien: i can build most things [15:11] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.70.173) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:11] nyRednek: LDFLAGS="--no-keep-memory", it saves *some* memory but not that much [15:11] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.173) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:12] nyRednek: webkit is very big [15:12] and actually, C++ makes it easy for linkers to use more memory [15:12] adrien: i know [15:12] on both counts [15:13] nyRednek: well, I'll stat a build of webkit to see how much memory ld takes [15:13] ok, i just installed ruby gems, but while logged in as root, I type gem command not found [15:13] adrien: i'm tempted to install google chrome to see how fast my machine comes to a screeching halt [15:13] is there sometihng else I need to do to get ruby gems to work? [15:13] I had it completely die once because I was using --enable-debug and make -j3 or so, took 3*600MB of memory or more [15:14] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.249.160.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:14] nyRednek: I used a friend's ubuntu and it defaulted to chrome, didn't start faster than firefox [15:15] i thought chrome was a security risk? [15:15] firefox runs, but drags [15:15] KaMii: why? [15:15] KaMii: anything that runs is a security risk [15:15] i heard its easy for people to see what your doing [15:15] anything that is connected to the internet is an even bigger security risk [15:15] KaMii: irc is a security risk, lynx is a security risk, pine is a security risk, your point? [15:15] KaMii: chromium then [15:15] because chrome phones home will all kinds of data to google [15:16] s/will/with/ [15:16] idk, just what i heard [15:16] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] i heard it likes to snoop on you and tell daddy [15:16] which is why I mentioned chrom*ium* [15:16] We had that discussion last night at our Linux meeting.... Apparently FF access google ALOT even when you are not browsing [15:16] There is a recompiled version called Iron that supposedly removes all the google tracking crap [15:16] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [15:17] NyteOwl: really, link? [15:17] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.249.160.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [15:17] even with the ff addons? it automatically phones home to google? [15:17] www.srware.net [15:17] like scriptblocker and all that [15:17] errr no script [15:17] NyteOwl: is that a binary or source? [15:18] ny both - it's built from the chrome source so is os by default [15:18] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [15:18] I don't know KaMii, a couple of the guys said that they were watching their personal traffic and FF was chatting with Google alote even when no browsing was happening. [15:18] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:19] arfon wer they parked on a web page that uses googleAPI or stats etc? [15:19] They are higher in the linux food chain than me so I believe them. [15:19] google chats with everything [15:19] I don't know NyteOwl [15:19] there's a little-know javascript feature... [15:20] arfon: that's not necessarily a reason to believe someone heh [15:20] It's not? [15:20] :P [15:20] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [15:20] basically, it is possible for several javascript scripts on different pages to communicate, this is what enables facebook to "connect" to other websites, to share what you're doing [15:20] you're worried, is it enough to make you scream and run? [15:21] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [15:26] no source download for iron atm [15:29] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:30] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:32] shadowx (~lnx@singularity.darknetx.eu) left irc: Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! [15:32] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [15:32] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:33] slaris (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:34] its a binary [15:34] and I cant get it to work [15:34] libconf-2.so error [15:35] yeah, that sounds awesome: using a closed-source binary to avoid sending data to google [15:35] hehe [15:35] slaris (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [15:35] maybe they dont want google to know what they did, so it will always be a battle to keep google away? [15:36] v4nelle (~van@79.107.220.0) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:36] jaminja_ (~jaminja@74.81.170.5) left irc: Quit: "eternal trails in netvoid" [15:36] mwalling (mwalling@you.dontlike.us) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [15:36] mwalling (mwalling@you.dontlike.us) joined ##slackware. [15:37] it's only a matter of disabling features, not anything weird [15:37] or surprising [15:38] mwalling (mwalling@you.dontlike.us) left irc: Client Quit [15:39] mwalling (mwalling@you.dontlike.us) joined ##slackware. [15:40] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [15:43] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] KaMii: actually, it doesn't appear to be closed source [15:45] got it working [15:45] ya i just saw that, their source is down for an update [15:45] but where does slackware like to have things installed? [15:46] rightnow I put iron in ~/Downloads [15:46] KaMii: well, for something like this, /opt is nice [15:46] but i dont want it there [15:46] so /opt/iron [15:46] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:46] KaMii: yah [15:46] i should make a package to exact it there [15:47] deco_ (~deco@adsl-71-129-34-222.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] rob0_ (rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) joined ##slackware. [15:47] arnis_ (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. [15:47] glarb_ (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] KaMii: yeah, you could [15:47] or have a slackbuild do it [15:47] y3llow_ (~y3llow@111-240-207-15.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] EvanR_ (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] eviljame1 (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] ananke_ (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:47] why not /usr/local/sbin? [15:47] but i suck at slackbuild scripting [15:47] arfon: it'd make more sense to put it in /usr/local/share [15:47] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:47] deco_ (deco@adsl-71-129-34-222.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [15:48] arfon: i saw on their site that for addblocking to work they want files in /opt or something, so you kinda have to mess around with it a bit [15:48] m00p (~topcat@212.150.147.230) joined ##slackware. [15:48] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:48] I think of /usr/local/share as for things like icons and whatnot... [15:48] Am I wrong? [15:48] jhell_ (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [15:48] anyone good with scripting and want to make a sexy sbo for this with all the nice addblocking stuff ready to go? [15:48] arfon: you aren't wrong, but... [15:49] openoffice goes in /opt right? [15:49] KaMii: that it does [15:49] ^silence^ (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] KaMii: Are you just patching chrome then building it? [15:49] arfon: no, we're talking about iron [15:49] no you dont need chrome [15:49] <--hasn't been paying attention [15:49] but you do need GConf [15:49] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-63-116.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:49] its on SBo [15:50] Blech, I aint touching that one. [15:50] is GConf bad juice? 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[15:51] comander_rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: comander_rhisa [15:51] Cats sleeping with dofs mayhem or I dropped a jar of marbles mayhem? [15:52] dofs=dogs [15:52] arfon: www.srware.net [15:52] someone stumbled on the cable [15:53] Can't read it KaMii :( it's all bolded blobs on my screen [15:54] v4nelle (~van@79.107.220.0) joined ##slackware. [15:54] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) joined ##slackware. [15:55] KaMii: can you find settings that will allow a program to work in wine? [15:56] winecfg [15:57] umm, im having a brain fart... i cant figure out how to get make a package of iron [15:57] KaMii: tried that several ways...i am looking for a particular combination of settings that will allow this program to work again [15:57] i untarred it went into the directory to makepkg [15:58] but im failing, and i dont even know if Im doing it right [15:58] youre not [15:58] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:58] i probably need to make a ~/Downloads/opt/iron [15:58] KaMii: yeah [15:59] or untarr it in ~/Downloads/opt then makepkg [15:59] but i failed [15:59] KaMii: you also need to touch a doinst.sh and a slack-desc [15:59] :S i suck at that [15:59] i dont know where to put those [15:59] what program are you trying to run in wine? [15:59] KaMii: pax from www.diogames.com [16:00] did you grab the winetricks script? [16:00] it worked with earlier versions of wine without [16:00] it will load, but it'll crash with an error about the keyboard [16:00] i've been playing this game for years [16:01] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.18.166) joined ##slackware. [16:01] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:05] saavedra29 (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:05] nyRednek: works fine for me [16:05] what version of wine do you have installed? [16:06] clear [16:06] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:06] Hoogin (~hoogin@195-50-219-246-rdsl.est.estpak.ee) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:06] I'm trying to use the CUPS to load a x86 filter. I've got the cups multilib package from alienBOB's multilib setup, however, cupsd is still looking in /usr/lib64/cups/filter not /usr/lib/cups/filter. Also, I'm assuming just having the multilib package isn't going to allow cupsd to load the x86 lib anyhow. Anyone have any suggestions? [16:07] KaMii: 1.2 [16:07] weak... it killed KDE [16:07] when I tried to exit the game [16:07] KaMii: were you able to change maps without it crashing? [16:07] I was trying to change the window size but i could find out because my monitor was givng me an out of range error [16:07] so i killed the game [16:08] and kde died with it [16:08] let me run it in a window [16:08] KaMii: ok [16:08] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Quit: Quitte [16:11] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [16:13] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722145641] [16:15] saavedra29 (~slaris@ppp-94-64-166-169.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: ‘À¿ÇÎÁ·Ãµ [16:15] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:18] nyRednek: yep everything works for me [16:18] im just runing the demo though [16:18] <+nooper> and i'm using debian now [16:18] ^^^ comments? [16:18] and in windowed mode not fullscreen [16:19] ^silence^ (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:19] Action: jg71 got stones, small, medium, large sized ones ready [16:19] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Action: mag0o has big stones [16:19] NOT those jeev ones. [16:19] please. kids are watching [16:21] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:21] Barwish__ (~Barwish@222.190.105.138) joined ##slackware. [16:21] jg71: I'll take 17 small ones =) [16:21] Barwish_ (~Barwish@222.190.105.138) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:22] KaMii: ok...what's the winecfg? [16:22] adrien: deal. i got smudge edged, shard edged and guantanamo ones. got a value pack, includes random ones of those for 2/3rd the price of the sweet seventeens you wanted. [16:22] nyRednek: horror. [16:23] OMG http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2204 [16:23] jg71: what? [16:23] TwitVim : Twitter client for Vim [16:23] nyRednek: nevermind. [16:23] jg71: hmmm, I'll take shard edged premiums [16:23] my fav answer to Redbtards... nevermind. just works. i should file a patent. [16:24] adrien, gad what? [16:24] silly twits, vim is for hax [16:24] adrien: deal. the sharp ones couldnt be named, embargo. but you knew that. [16:24] adrien, it's a good job these scripts aren't included [16:24] heheh ;-) [16:25] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [16:25] jg71: oh, and it's nice that you have this "shipping included" deal today: you're shipping to France ;p [16:26] adrien: i could walk to france from my location. :-) [16:26] oh, I thought you live in America =) [16:26] Nick change: rob0_ -> rob0 [16:27] Action: nyRednek befriends an african dictator for the blood diamonds [16:27] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:28] nyRednek: winecfg is the command used to configure wine [16:28] Qu'est-ce cela veut dire, adrien ? [16:29] run winecfg and change your windows version to something different, winxp or windows 7, sometimes thats all you need to do [16:29] KaMii: i know that...i'm wondering what options you got...so i can mirror them, to try to get the game t owork [16:29] jg71: oh [16:29] ok let me check mine [16:29] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:29] rmielnic (~sadman@88.130.211.105) joined ##slackware. [16:29] oh is ok, adrien. [16:29] default settings: windows xp [16:30] as long as we both can foncuze le neck red, it's ok. always. [16:30] jg71: where are you living? [16:30] I always install each program into its own wine instance, I rarely put more than one program in the same wineprefix [16:30] adrien: aix-la-chapelle [16:30] hahaha, ok, quite close ;-) [16:30] nyRednek: do you have a lot of other apps in your wineprefix? [16:31] beware ;) [16:31] jg71: waiting to see you walk to Paris though :P [16:31] thalys ftw [16:31] nyRednek: i would mkdir ~/.winetest [16:32] WINEPREFIX=~/.winetest winecfg [16:32] that will create a new wine instance for you, but you may need the full path, wine can get picky sometimes [16:33] then install the program by running WINEPREFIX=~/.winetest wine /path/to/install.exe [16:33] and running it is the same you always need to specify which wineprefix you will use [16:34] also try running it in a windowed mode, you can change that in winecfg, that is sometimes useful to track down problems [16:34] jg71: you said you could walk [16:35] is there a nice slackbuild I can reference in making a sbo for this iron binary? [16:35] i could. within a day i could reach france. not paris. im born way past those nutjob 1930s [16:35] KaMii, have a look at slackbuilds.org/templates [16:35] thanks [16:36] still, time to revisit, adrien ... last time ive been to paris ... dec 97 [16:36] ouch [16:36] ashe (~ashe@125.163.5.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:36] still, sunset viewed from top of the eiffel tower++ [16:37] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:37] tribeca (~naitso@host220-9-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:37] Hi all [16:37] tribeca: are you looking for a 3some? [16:38] tino27 (~tino27@114.sub-72-112-1.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] errrr [16:38] jg71: sorry? [16:38] sorry your nick suggested it, tribeca. ok, what's your question? [16:38] cmon adrien ... jeev started it today ;) [16:38] that didnt really help, this one is just going to be non complex [16:38] Another oil rig exploaded. [16:38] jg71: but nowadays you'll have to get rid of many people to get there ;-) [16:38] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] i have no idea how to do these [16:38] i don't have any question. jg71 ;) [16:39] byteframe: yup. but kinda not-so-bad .. at least so far. [16:39] jg71: heh, you should try ##slackware-offtopic :P [16:39] byteframe, where? [16:39] and I should go to bed [16:39] Exploded might have been the wrong word. [16:39] 'leaked'? [16:39] dive, The Gulf. [16:39] adrien: i once did. they were talking about ... stuff i dont dare mention in here. thats not slack-offtopic, thats slack-gals stuff. and only male nicks attending. holy jesus. [16:39] ramiroec (c86c8823@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.108.136.35) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:40] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-17-166.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:40] EgonStork (puffy@cpe-68-174-62-74.hvc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:45] nyRednek: oh, I totally forgot about it but: 26127 root 30 10 255m 246m 1336 R 100 6.4 0:01.89 ld [16:45] 250MB for a single instance of ld [16:45] (for webkit-gtk) [16:47] KaMii: ok, i only use wine for this game [16:47] also, ##slackware-offtopic is actually quite silent when the zamericains are asleep [16:47] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:47] you can always come over to ##slackerz if you no like ##OT [16:48] ONE (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [16:48] What's a GUI toolkit/language that plays well with Perl and is portable? [16:48] wxwidgits? [16:49] yeah, nothing is without its own troubles however [16:49] Nick change: fortunev -> Slaxy [16:49] portable, to what? [16:49] arfon: i don't know how well it plays with perl [16:49] plays with Linux-perl and Strawberry-perl...? [16:50] for others, strawberry-perl is especially for windows [16:50] and, no idea, you'll have to try [16:51] K [16:51] k, meaning OK [16:54] thanks adrien ... love it here. [16:55] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:57] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:58] xcable (Psychopath@unaffiliated/el33t) joined ##slackware. [16:59] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [16:59] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Barwish__ (~Barwish@222.190.105.138) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:00] xcable (Psychopath@unaffiliated/el33t) left irc: Client Quit [17:00] rmielnic (~sadman@88.130.211.105) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:01] xcable (~Psychopat@unaffiliated/el33t) joined ##slackware. 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[17:11] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Quit: getting my pony [17:13] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:13] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:14] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [17:14] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:19] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424114.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:19] tino27 (~tino27@114.sub-72-112-1.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:20] jaminja_ (~jaminja@95.211.4.12) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Nick change: jaminja_ -> jaminja [17:21] jaminja (~jaminja@95.211.4.12) left irc: Changing host [17:21] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424114.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:25] can I paste some error lines? [17:25] can you ? [17:26] try 4, I did it yesterday, it was fun [17:26] ok [17:26] I will paste.bin one moment please [17:27] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:27] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:27] http://pastebin.com/40hcf828 [17:27] ilker (~ilker@88.236.44.18) joined ##slackware. [17:27] is from denyhost python [17:29] where is the python package? [17:32] Nick change: xcable -> bl0w [17:32] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:33] Nick change: bl0w -> Xcable [17:33] Mowah (~Mowah@c-b587e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:33] why on earth do you have something refering to a file in /usr/src that dont belong [17:34] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [17:35] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:35] also do you realize that you can do the whole denyhosts thing yourself with pf [17:35] really does not take that match [17:35] mutch [17:36] wow cant spell worth shit today [17:36] Cr1kk4 (~fabio@93-45-130-130.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:36] lol [17:36] pf? [17:36] yes pf [17:37] as in man pf [17:37] better than denyhosts? [17:37] I don't know exactly what is considered better IYO [17:37] well, Ill try it [17:37] I mean simple? [17:37] here Ill give you an example to read over [17:37] simplest than denyhost [17:38] ok [17:38] thanks [17:38] m00p (~topcat@212.150.147.230) left irc: [17:38] read the README file here. I am still trying to update all this so its more sttraight forward. http://code.google.com/p/jhell/source/browse/base#base/head/scripts/pf/pftbl_fil [17:39] ok thanks a lot [17:40] really you dont need the pftbl script and the rules by them self work great. the script is just to save the collected IPs so they can be restored upon reboot [17:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:40] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:40] script also automaticly reloads new IPs that you manually add to the blacklist as well [17:41] right [17:41] in effect the rule says: you have X amount of attempts at this speed to connect and if you overflow then your blacklisted [17:42] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:45] linXea (~Slackytux@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:46] now that I am looking over denyhosts more. It uses tcpwrappers <- eek. turning on anything in tcpwrappers for anything but internal networks can sometimes cause effects that you never thought could happen. Not saying its bad but certainly would not say its good either. [17:46] Wietse will come to your house and beat you [17:50] Action: dustybin fiddles with network adaptr [17:51] chomping (~chomping@unaffiliated/chomping) joined ##slackware. [17:58] piukeman (~sebastian@190.188.1.18) joined ##slackware. [17:59] sorry I create a directory as a normal user in my home dir.... the I mounted as root, and the when I tried to access those files as a normal user [17:59] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:59] but my slackware doesn `t allowed me [17:59] any help [18:00] What did you mount as root and why? [18:00] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:00] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE46B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [18:01] an external hdisk usb ext3 [18:02] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [18:02] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.102) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:03] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [18:03] What was the command you used to mount that directory (mountpont) in your home dir? [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424114.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:03] mountpoint * [18:04] mount /dev/sdb1 /home/sebastian/tmpfs [18:04] ls -ld /home/sebastian/tmpfs [18:04] then as sebastian I need to read the filesystem [18:05] im gonna cast a veto on reading sebastian anything. [18:05] Action: jg71 nods [18:05] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:05] drwxr-xr-x 2 sebastian users 4096 Sep 2 18:51 /home/sebastian/home_tmpfs/ [18:05] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-111.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] also, piukeman ... your nick is parsed as pukeman ... not gonna help. [18:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424114.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:06] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:07] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [18:07] pinnen (~pinnen@h-45-2.A166.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:08] Actually, I wanted the permissions of the mountpoint, not some directory in your home directory which is irrelevant. [18:08] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:08] whats the magical incantation to get the UUID of a filesystem? [18:08] blkid ? [18:09] UUID is ugly [18:09] my slackware box says this: [18:09] Aug 31 22:59:19 server ntpd[6668]: line 25 column 19 syntax error, unexpected T_EOC, expecting T_Ipv4_flag or T_Ipv6_flag or T_String [18:09] But it's nice due to the kernel's inconsitent naming of dev nodes that may occur. [18:10] i dont ever remember edting ntpd to cause that error? [18:10] looks like that iron wont run flash in x64 [18:10] i cant get flash to work at all, and looking on their forums, it seems flash is dead for x64 [18:10] ridout: id use labels. but i agree, theres so many kludges one would want uuid. [18:10] could this be malware running on my slackbox? [18:11] Sep 1 20:04:10 server ntpd[1882]: syntax error in /etc/ntp.conf line 25, column 19 [18:11] dustybin: you got both configured, ip4 & ip6? [18:11] Malware in Linux? Surely you jest. [18:11] ridout: get real. [18:11] jg71: ip4 yes [18:11] im not sure about ip6 [18:12] lets take a look at the line [18:12] There are rootkits which may be called malware but that's about the extent of it. [18:12] id drop any ip6 stuff at this point. ah ok. then drop/check for any ip6 foo (modules) and try again [18:12] Or do you mean compromised binaries? [18:12] line 25 of ntp.conf says: [18:12] multicastclient # listen on default 224.0.1.1 [18:12] why multicast, do you need it? [18:13] that was default [18:13] i didnt turn it on [18:13] sounds like ip6 funs. heh, drop it. [18:13] i think ive got multicast dropped in firewall. [18:13] aye i commented it out [18:13] in ip4 it's havoc. ip6 ok, ... when the time comes. [18:16] fluorspar (~fluor@81.32.40.7) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Action: fluorspar Hi people !! [18:18] Razec (~razec@201-92-72-48.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[18:59] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:01] KaMii: the 64bit version of flashplayer is not good. You could try install 32bit Firefox and 32bit flashplayer [19:02] EvanR_ (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [19:02] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [19:02] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] Action: NaCl would recommend using ndiswrapper [19:02] rather, nspluginwrapper [19:02] usr13: im not talking firefox [19:03] i said iron [19:03] bnguyen (~chatzilla@210.245.12.48) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:04] What were you saying about flash in x64? [19:05] im not repeating myself a third time [19:05] let me get this straight, you can't get flash32 to work in firefox64 ? [19:06] KaMii: Sorry then, I missunderstood. [19:07] thrice`: who was talking about flash32? i wasnt [19:07] flash64 in Iron64 [19:07] nevermind, sarcasm [19:07] NaCl: wins the award for being smart [19:07] KaMii: iron is a browser, right? [19:07] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:07] chromium mod [19:07] usr13: yes [19:08] hey, how do i include ubuntu in lilo? [19:08] KaMii: And you are having trouble with the 64bit version of flash running on iron. Right? [19:08] ikar, using a text editor + lilo.conf [19:08] ok, thrice` [19:08] KaMii, you like Iron? [19:08] It's chromium but "more secure" [19:09] run better then FF and chrome? [19:09] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:09] lotec: so far ya, but flash would be nice [19:09] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:09] KaMii: The 64bit version of flash is broken. [19:09] maybe i can get a flash alternative to work [19:09] It works fine [19:09] It just has tons of security holes [19:09] usr13: its not broken its just unsecure [19:09] I have best results when flash isn't installed al-together [19:10] indeed [19:10] true, well i was thinking of maybe going with a third party flash and then click to flash addon [19:13] gnome is taking forever to install [19:13] KaMii: gsb? [19:13] yes [19:13] KaMii: http://freshmeat.net/projects/nspluginwrapper/ [19:14] KaMii: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html [19:15] v4nelle (~van@79.107.220.0) joined ##slackware. [19:16] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:16] jaminja_ (~jaminja@74.81.170.4) joined ##slackware. [19:17] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:17] shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-76-117-250-121.hsd1.de.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] hrm... all that work and i think i dont like gnome [19:19] slackware 13.1 comes with proftp already installed, correct? it just has to be enabled. I edited /etc/inetd.conf and uncommented the line, but i can't seem to get it working [19:20] shadowkllr: you need to start it [19:20] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd && /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd start [19:20] shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-76-117-250-121.hsd1.de.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:20] KaMii: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [19:20] also, a good suggestion is to also disable everything else that you might not need in /etc/inetd.conf [19:21] as well, also [19:21] shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-76-117-250-121.hsd1.de.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] i have apache running already and i stopped inetd and httpd and restarted them both [19:22] usr13: quit sending me links and pinging me [19:22] fyi I already have multilib [19:23] spidertux (~spidertux@host7-180-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:23] KaMii: How was I supposed to know you already had multilib? Just sharing information.... [19:23] Nick change: jaminja_ -> jaminja [19:23] jaminja (~jaminja@74.81.170.4) left irc: Changing host [19:23] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) joined ##slackware. [19:25] Razec (~razec@201-92-72-48.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:25] pinnen (~pinnen@h-45-2.A166.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:25] Nick change: tsuyoi -> ` [19:25] Nick change: ` -> tsuyoi [19:28] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@99.18.24.195) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Action: Hopsa mumbles, never let the strike temps go under 72 deg c. [19:29] shadowkllr, apache has nothing to do with ftp [19:29] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.17) joined ##slackware. [19:29] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.17) left irc: Client Quit [19:29] shadowkllr, did you look in /etc/proftpd.conf? [19:29] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:30] usr13: you could always ask first and not assume im an idiot [19:30] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [19:30] yeah im looking at it now dive [19:30] KaMii, seriously, quit bitching about people being too helpful to you [19:35] pinnen (~pinnen@h-45-2.A166.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:35] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:38] ok dive i got vsftpd working [19:38] how would one use the slackbuild to grab the source?(not using sbopkg) [19:38] source appname.info [19:38] wget $DOWNLOAD [19:38] nyRednek, source the .info file and wget $DOWNLOAD [19:39] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-94-246.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:39] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.223.174) joined ##slackware. [19:39] Dominian, thrice`: thanks [19:39] but i need to create a user that has access to a certain path within the apache folder [19:40] shadowkllr: I can help in priv if you like ? [19:40] shadowkllr, you could set their $HOME to that folder [19:40] and probably chroot it too [19:41] unless this an already existing user with a HOME it shouldn't be too hard [19:42] no it doesn't have a home yet [19:42] then it isn't too hard...you give the user control of that directory, and for convenience, you can make a symlink to it in their home directory [19:42] bingo didn't even think of that [19:42] that will only work for no-chrooted ftp though [19:43] if you have a chroot you will need to mkdir a dir then mount --bind it to the apache dir you want to use [19:45] tuvok302 (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-248.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:10] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [20:14] hello,I loaded some driver ALSA to kernel by modprobe, and got crashed when startup, how i can rest the default setteing for kernel ? [20:15] i cant get nspluginwrapper to work and the website is down [20:15] tuvok302 (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-248.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:16] so what am I suppose to do? all I get is a bunch of errors no appropriate viewer found for libflashplayer.so [20:16] does flash work in firefox? [20:16] yes [20:17] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:17] but im trying to get it to work in iron [20:17] well right now flash isnt working at all [20:17] I'm aware. you need to rule things out, though. so, it's an iron problem, not a flash problem [20:18] grazymax (~grazymax@host122-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:18] because I removed it and now im trying to reinstall it with nspluginwrapper [20:18] NyteOwl (~nodezero@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Addit Frena Feris [20:18] well i thought if I installed the 32 bit flash with nspluginwrapper flash may work again in iron [20:18] thats why im trying it out [20:18] hhgh (~hhgh@host217-41-27-169.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [20:19] yrgd (~yrgd@c-98-235-44-106.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] not sure how that works, honestly [20:19] works fine in chrome [20:19] (chromium) [20:19] idk either, and since the website is down, im screwed [20:19] my build, anyway [20:19] sounds right - I thought that was the function of nspluginwrapper, but not sure if it requires a full multi-lib setup (I'm quite sure it would) [20:19] It does [20:20] i have a full multilib setup [20:20] KaMii: grab it from debian [20:20] NaCl: i have it [20:20] i just dont know how to use it [20:20] The manual describes all [20:20] there is no manual [20:20] --help? [20:21] I haven't used it since slamd64 days [20:21] KaMii: there is a manual, called README [20:21] Read it [20:21] NaCl: there is no readme file in the tar.gz I got [20:21] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [20:21] hhgh (~hhgh@host217-41-27-169.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:21] then get the one from debian [20:21] it sure has a README [20:22] if you google for nspluginwrapper tutorials, it turns up a ton of hits here [20:22] i did, but none of the helped [20:22] its something to do with simlinks and I dont know where they need to be [20:22] last I used it, it was just a single command to get it working [20:23] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [20:23] ensure ~/.mozilla/plugins exists, and then nspluginwrapper -a -v -i or something [20:23] or, nspluginwrapper -i shittyflashplugin.so [20:23] yrgd (~yrgd@c-98-235-44-106.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:24] thrice`: thats what i tried, and it failed [20:24] google 'how to ask smart questions' then :p [20:24] why do you always try to troll me thrice` ? [20:24] I'm not, but saying "it failed" is worthless [20:25] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] anyway, have fun :> [20:25] well it did fail and i showed you the error message [20:25] what more do you want a cookie? [20:26] knowing thrice` a beer and a burger ;) [20:26] and a girl [20:27] nah, I am sure he has one of those :P [20:27] heh [20:27] evening BP{k} [20:27] evening dive :) [20:28] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-69.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:29] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [20:31] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] KaMii: you mentioned that there was no manpages for ndiswrapper? [20:32] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:33] bjx (~brendan@60-240-108-175.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:34] yrgd (~yrgd@c-98-235-44-106.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:35] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [20:36] kamii for some reason proftpd keeps telling me that my logins are incorrect [20:36] i created my user cateredpet and chrooted him and i can login on winscp no problem and he has the appropriate permissions [20:37] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@99.18.24.195) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:37] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: core i3 [20:37] well i did something and i think i got it to work, but none of my browsers have flash [20:37] so idk [20:37] but when i ftp localhost to test and put in cateredpet as the username and put in the password it says login incorrect [20:37] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:37] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.22.191) joined ##slackware. [20:37] did you put in the right stuff in your proftpd.conf? [20:38] indeed [20:38] yrgd (~yrgd@c-98-235-44-106.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:38] mancha what do you mean by "the right stuff" [20:38] KaMii, sorry, I didn't see the actual error pasted any where above [20:39] shadowkllr i mean proftpd doesn't read minds. you have to tell it how to behave in a .conf [20:40] 02:12 < KaMii> so what am I suppose to do? all I get is a bunch of errors no appropriate viewer found for libflashplayer.so [20:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:40] oops sorry [20:40] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Quit: Laughing on the outside while you're dying on the inside. [20:40] bjx (~brendan@60-240-108-175.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:40] Action: NaCl now tries to install the 32-bit compat libs [20:40] bjx (~brendan@60-240-108-175.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:40] Action: NaCl wonders if he has enough HDD space [20:42] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:42] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [20:42] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [20:44] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] argh... stupid gsb killed my multilibs [20:49] wrong, you killed your multilib :> [20:53] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) joined ##slackware. [20:53] clavius (~James@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:55] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [20:56] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:58] gsb ships the flash player? [20:58] Gnus to mee. [20:58] uhhh anyone in here running multilib? [20:59] can you tell me what versions of gtk+2 and glib2 you have installed? [20:59] chat (ge3k@77.64.118.174) left ##slackware. [20:59] Yes, you have to upgrade those. [20:59] I only have compat32 versions, but I think I should also have x64 versions [20:59] gsb used slap-get and fcked my system up [20:59] Wrong. [20:59] You messed it up. [20:59] yes: gtk+2-2.18.9-x86_64-1 && gtk+2-compat32-2.18.9-x86_64-1 [21:00] Gsb ships gtk 2.20, and glib 2.24. [21:00] lib2-2.22.5-x86_64-1 glib2-compat32-2.22.5-x86_64-1 [21:00] Chances are you forgot to explictly upgrade these packages before installing the rest of gsb. [21:00] byteframe: i just removed gsb because it forked everything up [21:00] BP{k}: where are those two x64 packages located on the dvd? [21:01] KaMii: slackware64/ [21:01] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.1/ http://get.gnomeslackbuild.org/gsb/gsb64-2.30_slackware64-13.1/ [21:01] what set are they in? L D? [21:01] ugg [21:02] KaMii: and you are unable to look for yourself? [21:02] lol [21:02] Apparently. [21:02] KaMii: learn how to fish. and look it up. [21:02] well fuk you very much also [21:03] aaw [21:03] It's cute. [21:03] bjx (~brendan@60-240-108-175.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:03] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:03] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [21:04] 32/win 2 [21:04] n0madz (~n0madz@c-68-52-207-125.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] jaminja_ (~jaminja@74.81.170.5) joined ##slackware. [21:04] uhm bah. [21:04] howdy everyone [21:04] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [21:04] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) left irc: Disconnected by services [21:04] Hi [21:04] Nick change: rhisa -> comander_rhisa [21:04] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Is anyone here good with perl? [21:05] can i ask a potentially dumb question. I am linux newb and really need help? [21:05] Nick change: comander_rhisa -> lfjob [21:05] Nick change: jaminja_ -> jaminja [21:05] n0madz, ask. [21:05] jaminja (~jaminja@74.81.170.5) left irc: Changing host [21:05] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Action: lfjob prepares a list of insults for n0madz. [21:05] just installed slack 13.1 on an older notebook with a pcmcia wireless card [21:05] it doesnt appear the card is even active [21:06] How can you tell if it's active or not in the first place? [21:06] any ideas is there something I have to do to get the card to activate and pickup my network [21:06] BP{k}: they were in l/ [21:06] KaMii: I know. [21:06] well for one there is no lights on it [21:06] and two it is only seeing eth0 and firewire [21:07] If it's the only one, it should be eth0. [21:07] That is, your only network. [21:07] that is my wired which I am using right now to talk to you [21:07] That depends on the driver, I believe. [21:07] Sometimes I might be wlan0. [21:07] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.22.191) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:08] n0madz: as root, try lspcmcia. does it show up there? [21:08] n0madz: 1) have you start the pcmcia services (/etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia) two does "/sbin/lspcmcia" show anything [21:08] BP{k}: if you knew, why didnt you help me out a tell me? [21:08] or pccardctl status. [21:09] who pissed in everyones cereal thismorning? [21:09] lspcmcia shows Socket 0 Bridge: [yenta_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:00:0a.0) [21:09] CardBus card -- see "lspci" for more informationv [21:09] KaMii, because you're helpless, kinda annoying, and should learn how to do things for yourself [21:09] _herbz (kat@tokes.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:09] KaMii: that would be me...my blood sugar was a little high [21:09] pccardctl shows up as unknown command [21:10] thrice`: im not helpless, and your a troll [21:10] no, thrice` is not a troll [21:10] BP i have not I will try that now [21:10] KaMii: because, I believe that you would learn more from finding out how to look that information up *yourself* then me actually jusqt telling you the answer. [21:10] he ALWAYS trolls me, thats all he ever does [21:10] BP{k} is very, very right [21:10] n0madz: lspcmcia is the same as pccardctl [21:11] oh ok [21:11] I learned more by googling around then I ever did in here [21:11] KaMii: sorry why don't you go to #slackhappy where they *believe* in dumbing down the linux community [21:11] KaMii, you smell. [21:11] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:11] heh [21:11] KaMii: it's basically the old addage of "giving someone a fish" versus "teaching someone to fish". Since you didn't even needed to ask where to find the information to find what diskseries the packages were in .. tells me you're were just being plain lazy. [21:11] KaMii: also, thrice` isn't a troll [21:12] KaMii: If you expect hand-holding and personal attention every step of the way, expect to spend some money for it. [21:12] sometimes :> [21:12] only when it's a full moon realy. [21:12] at least i admit laziness when i ask questions like that [21:13] Action: NaCl generally asks questions that are ungoogleable [21:13] only because i can't pass as a n00b anymore [21:13] Or are obvious because I didn't look in the right place [21:13] what do I do to run rc.pcmcia? [21:13] execute the script [21:14] which is in /etc/rc.d [21:14] some stupid questions are allowed, but there is definitely a limit / day [21:14] so why cant i get this 32 bit binary of iron to run on my multilib? [21:14] so i just click it? [21:14] you may want to learn to use the terminal [21:14] n0madz: /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia start. you could also make it executable to run at every boot [21:14] if you're going to be using Slackware, you should at least partially familiar with it [21:15] KaMii, if you execute the binary from a terminal window, what does it say? [21:15] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:15] so I am sorry but how do i get familiar without using it? [21:15] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:15] there are many tutorials online [21:16] google is usually your friend, and altavista gives you more answers [21:16] yea I have been googling for the past two days [21:16] so I saw the channel and thought I would ask [21:16] sorry to bother [21:16] n0madz: you aren't really bothering [21:17] yeah [21:17] thank you [21:17] error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so cant open shared object no such file or directory [21:17] KaMii: install the 32-bit seamonkey [21:17] n0madz, rc.pcmcia is an init script provided by slackware. it gets called at boot time, if it's executable, or has the "+x" flag. ls -dl on it should show you permissions [21:17] KaMii: that means you need 32 bit seamonkey-solibs [21:17] KaMii, shared libraries means your iron binary links to and needs it to be present; missing means you don't have it [21:17] i though libnss3 was openssl [21:18] yea thats what I thought [21:18] it's not [21:18] now you know [21:18] yes i do, thanks [21:18] /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.0.5/libnss3.so [21:18] why would libnss be openssl? [21:19] because both have two s's? [21:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:19] I can just install the seamonkye txz out of slack-13.1 right? [21:19] KaMii, if you're running 32-bit iron, no [21:20] i have to build it? [21:20] 32-bit binaries require all 32-bit shared object libraries; it won't understand what the 64-bit version is [21:20] i thought I had all the libraries already with multilib [21:20] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [21:21] KaMii: that doesn't install a 32 bit version of everything... [21:21] you may have ones that alienBOB provides, but that doesn't cover everything you may run in to. I think his wiki documents how to create your own [21:21] yes it does. [21:21] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:21] KaMii: further, for more help, #slackhappy is always open, but don't expect many slackers there [21:21] i did create my own, with the convert script [21:21] already? just 1 minute ago you didn't know what package provided it. [21:22] no i did this a few days ago [21:22] thrice`: i lost the packages because I installed gsb and it borked my multilib so i removed gsb [21:23] KaMii: then you have to reinstall everything gsb touches [21:23] that sentence should read "I installed gsb without taking proper precautions, blindly pushed accept to slapt-get, and it upgraded a few packages I didn't intend to" [21:23] nyRednek: i think i did [21:23] thrice`: grow up [21:24] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Client Quit [21:24] you'll get further without your "poor me" attitude, fwiw :) [21:24] i knew it used slapt-get before I installed it [21:24] KaMii: gtfo, you're not just annoying thrice` and me [21:24] quit trying to put words in my mouth [21:24] Action: BP{k} hears an awful "i think" and "I guess" [21:24] s/awful/awful lot/ [21:25] i wonder what gsb replaces (if any) [21:25] i cant think of anything [21:25] glib2 gtk+2 [21:26] I missed the seamonkey package in that list ;) [21:26] yeah thats known. did you only mean that? [21:26] yes and i fixed it [21:26] ah ok, i thought you meant it replaced something from multilib [21:26] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-164-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:27] v4nelle (~van@79.107.220.0) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:27] well, I wasnt sure if those two were linked to multilib [21:27] glib2 - gtk+2 ..compiz: gst-plugins-good: libgsf: (although those are optional) [21:27] Action: KaMii doesnt have compiz gst-plugins libgsf [21:28] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:29] rodrigo_golive (~Rodrigo@201.11.42.238) joined ##slackware. [21:31] just out of sheer curiosity, do you have a full install of slackware or pick and mix? [21:32] BP{k}: i pick and mix [21:33] nyRednek: that was meant for KaMii. [21:33] BP{k}: i know [21:33] BP{k}: :P [21:33] i have seamonkey compat32 installed, so why would i be getting that libnss3.so error? [21:34] BP{k}: on which computer are you talking about? [21:34] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-56-59.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] KaMii: do you have compat32 -solibs [21:34] yes [21:34] KaMii, ls /var/log/packages/seamonkey* [21:34] i just checked i have both versions [21:35] well 3 versions actually [21:35] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@97-127-220-154.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [21:36] /var/log/packages/seamonkey-2.0.6-x86_64-1_slack13.1 [21:36] /var/log/packages/seamonkey-solibs-2.0.6-x86_64-1_slack13.1 [21:36] /var/log/packages/seamonkey-solibs-compat32-2.0.4-x86_64-1 [21:37] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] 32 libs, 64 libs, and 64 app [21:38] shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-76-117-250-121.hsd1.de.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:38] what are the contents of that compat32 package ? [21:40] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [21:41] libnss3 is in ther [21:42] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:43] KaMii: ldd $(which iron) | grep not [21:43] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:43] nyRednek: are you actually in NY? [21:43] which iron can be replaced with direct link if it doesnt work [21:43] Slaxy: yes, i'm actually in the city of new york [21:43] all the $ part [21:43] well idk if that will work, my iron is installed to ~/Downloads/iron [21:44] then ldd path/to/executable | grep not [21:44] nyRednek: I'm from St. Albans. What part of NY [21:44] queens [21:44] Slaxy: borough 5 [21:44] nachox (~Ignacio@242-196-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:45] n0madz (~n0madz@c-68-52-207-125.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:45] Slaxy: staten island [21:45] iron is crapy anyway, who'd want to use it [21:45] 8 32 bit libs that I have installed show up [21:45] why are they not linked? [21:45] is iron's source codeavailable? [21:45] they should work [21:45] are they installed in the same place iron looks for them? [21:46] well it is, but not right now, the site says the source is down for an update [21:46] KaMii: have you run ldconfig -a ? [21:46] nyRednek: you had me thinking. never thought of it as #5 like that. Well nice to find someone from home. Im in VA now [21:47] Slaxy: i'm not *from* here...i'm a southern transplant [21:47] -a gave me invalid option [21:47] KaMii: are the libs installed in the same place iron looks for them? [21:47] hmmm...it used to be a valid option [21:47] sahko: probably n ot [21:48] thats what you have to fix [21:48] but i cant figure out how to get iron to tell me where it thinks they are [21:48] nyRednek: ahhh I get the Rednek now.. which do you prefer north or south? [21:48] or how to tell iron where they are [21:48] Slaxy: each has its good and bad points [21:48] West is best [21:48] iron should pick it up when you compile it [21:48] nyRednek: agree [21:49] KaMii: i've *been* to cali, and you can fsck'in have it [21:49] ya, well i have to wait for them to post the source [21:49] dive: iron doesnt get compiled [21:49] i dont think so at least [21:49] blob? [21:49] who was talking about california? [21:49] I was talking Western Europe [21:49] dive: no, something like firefox in 32bit Slack [21:50] KaMii: oh, we're quite a bit west of that [21:50] ah [21:50] and as KaMii said , no current source availability [21:50] source code* [21:50] unless someone can find a mirror somewhere [21:50] but i havent tried searching yet [21:51] Slaxy: i'm from arkansas [21:51] use chrome, chromium or whats it called [21:51] no thanks [21:51] konqueror's quite good these days [21:51] n0madz (~n0madz@c-68-52-207-125.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] sahko: thinking about compiling chromium here...midori is a *little* funky [21:51] thank you very thrice [21:51] i can still use iron, just cant get flash to work [21:52] pinnen (~pinnen@h-45-2.A166.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [21:52] maybe i will try a third party flash... or, well i doubt any of those are 64 bit [21:52] dive: i don't like loading the kdelibs into memory [21:52] mancha: had you given the link to some critising from some chromium dev about the iron 'dev' from irc? [21:52] i think you did [21:52] nyRednek, well I'm using kde atm so not a problem for me [21:53] dive: i've only got 128mb of ram, so big problem for me [21:53] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:53] n0madz, working I hope? [21:53] nyRednek: chromium is a lot different than midori from what ive seen [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488F4DD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] yes [21:53] great :> [21:53] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-76-225.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] but theres too many decent webkit browsers nowadays [21:53] that should carry over to the normal account right [21:53] sahko: i don't think chromium is webkit-based [21:53] since i was logged in as root? [21:54] nyRednek, it is [21:54] yeah& [21:54] s/&/^ [21:54] sahko: i think the issue i've had *is* webkit [21:54] n0madz, yes, if you used slackwares "adduser" to make your user, it puts you in the netdev group, which lets you change those things as user [21:54] sahko: i think there's too much of a memory overhead [21:54] thats another story [21:55] http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html [21:55] mancha: it was you then? :) [21:55] KaMii: read that link [21:55] yes, it was me. [21:56] thrice, sweet and again thank you so much [21:56] no problem :) [21:56] i amaze me sometimes [21:56] my favorite quote "lotta clicka -> lotta money" [21:57] goj (~goj@p5488EF50.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:57] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:59] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [22:02] uhmm, somebody actually fell for iron? :) [22:06] artaud_ (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. 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[22:21] KaMii: interesting link mancha pasted [22:21] KaMii: you obviously missed mancha's link, which describes it in detail. awhile ago it became well known that iron is simply a sham [22:22] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-69.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:22] what's scary is that obviously people still fall for it [22:22] Action: ut probably would have [22:22] google's scary! [22:25] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:26] the problem, using google source when you think google can't be trusted is rather stupid [22:27] nyRednek: or a calculated risk [22:27] ananke: how calculated? [22:27] and since google's browser is 100% open source, if those claims were true, people would actually work on iron or similar project, knowing the oss communitty and all [22:27] nyRednek: because you have the ability to audit it, if you'd like. you also bet on others auditing it [22:28] sahko: point taken [22:28] ananke: well, true... [22:29] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [22:29] hrm... that iron guy now looks like a huge troll n00b [22:29] i've discussed forking slackware, but not because i didn't trust pat [22:30] nyRednek: wants to fork so he can make money with google ads [22:30] you should include iron then [22:30] KaMii: oh, i wasn't talking about google ads or money either... [22:30] who was it that mentioned iron to me? [22:31] slack...ad...ware. that'd be a winner. people would love it. 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[22:45] hi.. i have a intel 4500HD video card. using kde 4.4.3. if I use compose, my X crash when I start any app. without compose, works fine. and glxinfo show direct rendering yes [22:45] anyone could help me? [22:49] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:52] artaud: have a look. http://tinyurl.com/24k3j5y this may give you a lead [22:53] Slaxy: i will.. thanks [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:54] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-90.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] lotec (lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:57] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [22:57] beyonder01 (~beyonder0@5ac04f9a.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] rodrigo_golive (~Rodrigo@201.11.42.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:57] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. 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