[00:00] slak: Oh of the free fall? No, that was a solo jump. I'd have to pay someone to film me or have a friend that was jumping and had all the gear and was just jumping to film me. [00:00] didn't he leave in a huff after a disagreement or something? [00:00] or take pictures. [00:00] agentc0re: hrmm, seems i remember someone saying he got pissed off at someone in here r something like that. I think he got offended. He was a nice guy it seemed. must have been something pretty bad. *shrug* [00:00] BP{k}: oRly? Never would have imagined him leaving like that. [00:00] ESP. for this long. [00:00] BP{k}: yeah, between him and jeev. [00:00] it was nic having another cigar NUT around here [00:01] ...WTF [00:01] jeev? [00:01] agentc0re: yeah [00:01] that SOB needs to be banned. [00:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:02] agentc0re: I'm surprised he hasn't been already. [00:02] old_fogie has been around for quite some time here in IRC and esp on the forums. [00:02] agentc0re: how much do they charge for the filmage? [00:02] slak: One of these days i'll probably get hooked up. But to have someone film you it's like $60. [00:02] you're pretty much paying for their jump and a bit extra. [00:02] quite a bit extra. [00:03] Might be different now that i am a funjumper and not a tandom though. That price is tandom pricing. [00:03] haha, nice headline: http://regretfulmorning.com/2009/07/get-off-my-nuts/ [00:03] fire|bird: We could all take a vote to ban him and post it on noobfarm. [00:03] lol [00:04] I dislike jeev too. [00:04] I hate all of you equally [00:04] All in favor say I. :D [00:04] hey Dominian [00:04] sup fire|bird [00:04] Dominian: I love you too. [00:04] dtanner: having a look back .. it seems the following happened: He (or rather his router) got his by that DCC bug. He got very very annoyed by that. [00:05] dtanner: I think jeev saying it would happen on *any* IRC network (not just freenode), that pushed him over the edge and made him leave. [00:05] agentc0re: oh pretty much yeah... how much r u paying for the plane btw? [00:06] slak: I only pay $23 USB to jump and $23 to rent the gear. I am looking for my own stuff still. [00:06] slak: and i get $5 back when i pack my gear back up by myself. [00:06] BP{k}: who are we talkin about? [00:07] slak: pong [00:07] BP{k}: router got a dcc bug? you mean he could not send/receive files? [00:07] dtanner: no [00:07] dtanner: there's a bug in some routers if runing off a default irc port.. will cause the router to reset [00:07] rworkman: people where wondering where old_fogie was and what happened to him. [00:07] Dominian: I see. [00:07] dtanner: freenode provides an alternative port for those people who are affected [00:07] ah [00:07] BP{k}: he's on his knees earning respect! [00:08] rworkman: welcome back [00:08] That better not be why you pinged me. [00:08] agentc0re: what do you mean by getting $5 back? [00:09] rworkman: i didnt [00:09] 03:30 ##slackware: < slak> rworkman: r u there? [00:10] lol [00:10] [03:32] ( slak) BP{k}: watcha doing? [03:33] ( slak) BP{k}: just being sure if u were afk [00:10] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:4c2:3ab0:42e0:de7b) left irc: Connection timed out [00:10] LMAO!! [00:10] oh that was automatically [00:10] if you ever feel like jumping out of an airplane....do it. you will not regret it http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/00032.jpg [00:11] antiwire: preferably with a chute ;) [00:11] antiwire: Nice dude. is that you? [00:11] ;) [00:11] yeah [00:11] sweet! [00:11] actually, you wouldn't regret it even without a chute [00:12] at least not for long [00:12] lol [00:12] rofl [00:12] lol, they detonated a nuke, several kilometers above the pacificocean, somewhere weetween hawai and new zeland and it fuckde the radio communication beetween them for 8 hours and destroyed a lot of electronic shit in those both places [00:12] antiwire: you're ... above the clouds!! [00:12] for reelz [00:13] that was from 13500ft [00:13] that must be a long fall. [00:13] just about 60 seconds worth [00:13] wow. [00:14] oh, it's only 4000 meters [00:14] We jump at 130000ft. Our Above Sea level Ati. is 4321. :) heh. [00:14] dang [00:15] in the background of that image is the pacific [00:15] It's possible to jump at 18500ft though. You just need to be at Sea Level. It's almost 2 minutes of freefall. [00:17] i'd love that [00:17] antiwire: no guts to jump all by yourself? [00:17] slak: No, you have to tandom before you can jump by yourself. [00:18] slak: Plus take classes. It's all quite expensive. [00:18] $500 for a full packet(classes + 2 jumps) [00:19] slak: they won't let me [00:19] I would have and I asked if i could [00:19] I wanted to do a backflip of of the plane too but they wouldn't do that either [00:19] out* [00:19] oh they are so naughty........ [00:20] btw this goes back to an image someone posted and other people called fake...I took this screen shot myself. it was an Exchange server http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/maybeneedstodefrag.jpg [00:21] antiwire: That was me. [00:21] antiwire: Good lord, yours is even worse. LOL [00:21] lol [00:21] holy.... [00:22] sten (n=sten@S0106001310b8a09d.lb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [00:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:23] .. defrag batman [00:23] does ext4 really need the default 5% reserved blocks for root (eg: 30GB of a 600GB partition) [00:23] ? [00:24] I've only ever used ext3 [00:24] sten: you should be able to adjust that if you format by hand. or perhaps through /etc/mke2fs.conf (although I am not sure) [00:24] There's a way to reduce that, tune2fs (though it's probably called tune4fs now) or something [00:25] LSD`: ah good one. (and still called tune2fs) [00:25] sten: the root reserve can be lowered as long as you understand what that means to you [00:25] sten: as long as you know the limit and don't go over you'll be fine [00:27] whats the standard space reserved for journaling transitions? [00:28] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:29] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [00:29] antiwire: what do you mean by "know the limit"? Is that 30GB reserved on a 600GB volume necessary for dealing with fragmentation, or would 15GB (for example) suffice? How would I calculate how much I actually need? [00:29] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2" [00:29] slak: it's reserved for the superuser so that if your disk is "full", things like syslog will keep writing stuff to disk, but user owned process can't. This gives root enough time to fix whatever the problem might be. [00:30] BP{k}, surely you mean "fix the user who caused it" :) [00:30] i meant how much of standard space is reserved for journaling transitions? [00:30] ccfreak2k: no that comes later through the application of lart(8) [00:30] BP{k}: sorry about that [00:31] how many of disk space is reserved for journaling transitions [00:31] 33mb? [00:31] I just wrote my first Slackbuild script =) [00:32] Chakravanti: congrats [00:32] Chakravanti: nice :) [00:32] Chakravanti: pretty nifty aren't they? [00:32] indeed [00:32] ty [00:32] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] did you understand me BP{k} ? [00:34] slak: yes, but I don't know the answer, sorry :) [00:34] BP{k}: :-) I'd use quotas to deal with such users. My daemons don't need 15GB of space (mke2fs.conf seems to assume most people's daemons are storage-hungry)...unless ext4 genuinely needs 30GB to not run down <- that's what I'm wondering [00:34] BP{k}: I read other day that it would be 33mb I only cant remember where... [00:36] sten: it is a standard ext? safety precaution. like antiwire said you can tune it down,as long as you understand what it can do. [00:37] why do you guys use ext4 instead of reiserfs? just becouse Hans Reiser was convicted of the first degree murder of his wife? [00:37] BP{k}: antiwire: ahh, so it's simply a precaution. 'just wanted to make sure. Thanks! [00:39] I stopped using reiserfs because he drove a honda [00:39] lol [00:39] works for me [00:39] quasar: r u german? [00:40] are we talking nationality or ancestry? [00:40] y0 Rat409, how's it going? [00:40] I stopped using reiser when I hard reboot gave errors and fsck screwed up the partition. That was before his wife went missing. [00:40] well i dont want my file system to commit 1st degree murder on my files, as reiserfs is known to do. [00:40] good thanks just upgraded to gsb-2.26 today [00:40] Action: spook shudders at --rebuild-tree [00:40] slak: I found that reiserfs got slower and slower over time. Perhaps it was fragmentation, perhaps something else. I never used ext3 much...The last four years I've used jfs, but now that ext4 is stable, has fast a comparably fast fsck to jfs, mounts faster than reiserfs, and offers better data security than jfs...well, frankly, I think it's the best for my purposes [00:41] spook: that was good lol [00:41] spook: I've heard that it doesn't actually commit first degree murder on the files... it just dumps them somewhere, tosses out the passenger seat with the files so when the system goes looking for them it can say "I dunno where they went, but they weren't in my passenger seat!" [00:41] Action: sten shudders in sympathy...that happened to him too [00:41] quasar: hehe [00:41] quasar: then hoses down the car, leaving several inches of water inside the car [00:42] i had friends that lost data to reiserfs,i only used it a couple times,myself [00:42] exactly! [00:42] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [00:42] I've never lost data to reiserfs. [00:42] I also don't use reiserfs anymore. [00:42] but you never hear the thousands of people using reiserfs without any problems :) [00:42] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left ##slackware. [00:43] human memory isnt great with things like that. [00:43] i had no problems with reiserfs [00:44] when I did use reiserfs I never lost data, I seriously switched because he drove a honda (no joke, as funny as it is) [00:44] I haven't been keeping up - what happened with ext4's "data loss by design" issue? [00:44] tho i am trying out slackware64 current so i am trying out ext4 now [00:44] fire|bird: slack pride screenie http://omploader.org/vMjM0ZQ brb laundry :( [00:44] raid5 has problems like that, but everyone cares more about the extra space than data loss [00:44] quasar: let us know whats wrong with hondas cars? [00:45] Rat409: looks very nice. [00:45] I used to use reiser but switched to ext3 even though I don't like it - not because of Reiser, but because I just figured it'd eventually suffer bitrot so why not switch and get it over with? [00:46] slak: that topic is better discussed elsewhere :) [00:46] but ext4 still gives me the willies because of the lossage issues [00:46] slakmagik: ext3 now defaults to data=writeback making it identical to ext4. ext4 got a tonne of patches to boost safety (it was kind of xfs-like originally in its behaviour, from what I've read). You can always mount ext4 data=ordered if you want...oh yeah, read up on "ext4 barriers" [00:46] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [00:46] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:46] sten: okay, thanks - just what I wanted to know. :) [00:47] slakmagik: :-) make sure you're using a post-2.6.30 kernel though! [00:47] slakmagik: I mean >=2.6.30 [00:48] so the majority uses ext4...... [00:48] okay - what changed there? I try to keep a standard box these days and -current's still on 2.6.29.x. :( [00:49] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [00:50] oh, nm - I found something on it [00:50] The simple approach: http://omploader.org/vMjM0eA [00:50] fire|bird: thanks [00:50] hmm..it didnt work =( [00:51] apparently i'm missing rb_cairo.h [00:51] slakmagik: a lot changed. h-online.com has a good article [00:52] dive: cute [00:52] thanks [00:52] sten: okay, thanks - that's better than what I found. [00:52] wsp4th (n=wperry@c-75-66-183-45.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] dive: that your's right now? [00:53] fire|bird, yep [00:53] http://omploader.org/vMjM0eQ [00:53] dive: wished my desktop was tidy like yours [00:54] it also confirms my concerns about reiserfs [00:54] dive: nice. [00:54] and a bit more in-depth: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_30#head-329ba44b44a7f58c98ae22b8f2730418cdd6630d [00:54] dive: nice and very clean :) [00:55] yeah I don't like crap on desktop [00:55] http://omploader.org/vMjM0eQ - slackware http://roms-isos.com/7.png - Windows [00:55] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:56] comsa (n=steve@121.221.100.238) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Nick change: pireau_ -> pireau [00:57] Here's my kde4 approach: http://omploader.org/vMjM0eg [00:58] looking [00:58] superGear: Windows 7 eh? nice. [00:58] only problem is with irssi, so I made a theme to go with the bg: http://omploader.org/vMjM1MA [00:58] Neo_The_LFS (n=matrix@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:58] anyways, I've got to run. Cheers [00:59] see ya sten [00:59] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.11.228) joined ##slackware. [00:59] sten (n=sten@S0106001310b8a09d.lb.shawcable.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:59] I like your desktop fire|bird [00:59] fire|bird: very niceindeed :) [00:59] korg815: thanks [00:59] Rat409: thanks. :) [00:59] like the pay a bill today lol [00:59] The bg is one I took myself [00:59] never happen :P [00:59] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.11.228) left irc: Client Quit [00:59] Rat409: haha, yeah, good old fortune. [00:59] comsa (n=steve@121.221.100.238) left irc: "leaving" [01:00] i wish there was a QT firefox :/ [01:00] dive: what, using kde4? [01:00] and a qt xchat [01:00] fire|bird, no paying a bill [01:01] superGear: isn't there a qt FF in the works? [01:01] dive: ah, ok. :P [01:01] I loved dives approach [01:01] fire|bird, maybe i dunno [01:02] dive looks good [01:02] i mean his desktop [01:02] not him [01:02] haha [01:02] :D [01:02] superGear: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/08/nokia-helps-port-firefox-to-qt.ars [01:02] not sure if that's still going on or not though [01:03] superGear: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/firefoxqt3.tar.gz [01:05] http://omploader.org/vMjM1MQ [01:07] korg815, nice [01:07] superGear: looks like there hasn't been much work on it recently: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/mozilla-qt [01:08] it's ok...looks nicer on my 37" lcd [01:09] fire|bird: Nokia really don't get it... [01:09] i'm trying to configure ruby-gtk binding for compilation and i can't seem to get it to target pango [01:10] i noticed it said chekcing for rb_cairo.n...no [01:10] so i figured it was this cairo gem and installed that [01:10] with ruby gems [01:11] now it says it twice when configuring [01:11] once it says no, and then next yes [01:11] and it does that check 3x [01:11] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:12] and i'm completely confused [01:12] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [01:13] korg815: whats the total amount of memory in your box? [01:13] korg815: 4g? [01:14] 4gb [01:14] yeah...4gb ocz [01:14] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:15] I'm gonna be swapping for 8 gigs soon [01:15] hmm will slackware handle it all? [01:16] 64 bit version will [01:16] slak: Slackware64 wil [01:16] LSD`: cool :D [01:16] my fascinating desktop - http://jsun.freeshell.org/blog/images/fvwm_ss_090119_214557.png [01:16] I got a preety sweet system...liquid cooled...thermaltake bigwater system + koolance chc-122 water blocks x2 for northbridge and southbridge [01:16] thrilling and beautiful [01:16] yeah...I gotta get slackware64 [01:17] You *can* kludge 32 into using it as well, but if 64 bit is an option at all then that's the way to go [01:18] The closest I hve to a *nix desktop is "ianweb@d35 ~ $" :P [01:18] slakmagik...preety nice...minimalistic [01:18] thanks - yep, it's defintely that. :) [01:19] slakmagik, nice [01:19] I installed e17 but got some permission problems and never got around to fixing it yet [01:19] slakmagik: nice background :) [01:19] otherwise I'd be using e17 [01:20] BP{k}: yeah, I do like that pic [01:20] korg815: omfg where the heck did you find such awesome wallpaper? [01:20] anyone know if it's possible to configure xdm to use different DEs without having to symlink xinitrc? [01:21] hehe...just google remixed_life.jpg [01:21] I've got a different config on another box, but no screenshots of it - it's still minimal but the windows actually have decorations and everything. :) [01:21] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.50) joined ##slackware. [01:22] dive: do you mean allow the user to select one? [01:22] I've customised xdm to look nice, as good as kdm or slim, but the lack of a session chooser is disappointing [01:22] http://wallpaperdj.com/remixed_life-wallpapers [01:22] andarius, yeah [01:22] Last I used it, it did not support that [01:22] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Connection timed out [01:24] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:24] Nick change: icarus__ -> icarus_ [01:25] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "the is quite a spectrum of things in this world that are amazing" [01:26] slakmagik: where did you get the wallpaper from? [01:26] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@63.99.218.194) left irc: "Leaving" [01:27] korg815` (n=user@bas8-london14-1279480205.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:28] slak: it's been years and I can't remember - sorry. [01:28] looks like dA [01:28] xdm (taken from my mobile) http://omploader.org/vMjM1OA [01:29] a blurry :P [01:29] but it loads faster than kdm/slim [01:30] is there a text based torrent downloader? [01:30] rtorrent [01:30] one i can use from the command line w/o entering X [01:30] havent used lynx in a while, brb [01:31] dive: that looks nice :) [01:31] BP{k}, thanks :-) [01:31] rtorrent is about as good as it gets for CLI torrenting [01:31] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [01:31] CLI=command line interface? [01:31] Yes [01:32] rtorrent is on http://slackbuilds.org [01:33] dive: do you usually get the source or slackbuild? [01:33] winger, you need source & slackbuild [01:33] both [01:33] unpack, ./configure, make , make install both? [01:33] the slackbuild builds the source [01:33] winger: http://www.slackbuilds.org/howto [01:33] winger, no [01:34] winger, http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [01:34] yep, reading now. [01:34] fire|bird, you need the trailing / [01:35] oh, if you have sbopkg you can just basically hit enter a bunch [01:35] do you guys know what does mean "NORMAL"? [01:35] dive: Ah, whoops. :P thanks. [01:35] Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for  in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it. [01:36] dive: xdm looks nice, I've never tried that one. I tried slim but it failed with login not found or something like that. [01:36] fire|bird, default xdm looks ugly as sin [01:37] if you want some configs let me know [01:37] dive: ok, thanks. I may just give it a shot. [01:37] been using kdm [01:37] with a nice slackware theme for kdm [01:38] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: "The person who reads too much and uses his brain too little will fall into lazy habits of thinking." [01:39] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:44] fire|bird, as you may know I've been gradually stripping out kde stuff from my laptop [01:44] gdm rocks. [01:45] rworkman, deps though? [01:45] and in -current, it only needs libgnomecanvas wrt what's not included in Slackware [01:45] hmmm [01:45] may have to try it, thanks [01:45] That's for the 2.20.x branch; any newer gdm requires GConf and others. [01:45] is current not 12.2? [01:45] winger, no [01:45] winger, -current is the development branch [01:46] unstable/beta version of 13.0? [01:46] *stable [01:46] winger, not unstable [01:46] and not beta [01:46] just contains the packages that will eventually go into the next release [01:46] fwiw, and for those who haven't already seen it, I've found that kde-4.3.0 is actually usable after a bit of tweaking: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/kde43.jpg [01:47] so at this moment -current is 13rc1 [01:49] tired [01:49] nn [01:49] nn winterx [01:50] sandman (n=puppy@adsl-65-43-224-235.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] ##slackware: mode change '+b sandman*!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:50] sandman kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: let's get something straight, right off the bat: you didn't ask for this ban...you were banned because you were drunk and causing issues in the channel. Also, tack on ban evasion. This isn't a game...go get help, then come back when your issues are resolved. [01:50] ouch :o [01:51] rworkman: I don't believe you - I could never use kde. ;) [01:51] webbi (n=webi@190.247.202.227) joined ##slackware. [01:51] hello guys [01:51] im with troubles here [01:51] hope anybody can help me [01:51] slakmagik: well, I just wanted to see if I could make it usable. [01:52] webbi: ask [01:52] webbi: ask your question and we'll try [01:52] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:52] i have a pc here, with an onboard lan, i added a pci network card (realtek 8139) [01:52] but it does not appear in dmesg [01:52] it just show me eth0 [01:52] nah, I was just kidding - looks good and apparently many people can use it. [01:53] i did lspci and it tell me about a rtl eth board, but i dont know if it's the onboard one or the pci [01:53] webbi: if dmesg doesn't show it, then the system isn't recognizing it for whatever reason. [01:53] webbi: pastebin lspci output [01:53] rworkman: i though that.. the question is.. i tried with other 2 cards and noone appear [01:53] rworkman: im not in that pc now [01:53] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-128.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Well, come back when you have access to that box. [01:54] i have access [01:54] but not internet acces [01:54] i have it here [01:54] what does "ls /sys/class/net" show? [01:54] let me see [01:54] eth0 and lo [01:55] maybe i should disable the onboard lan and put two pci net cards? [01:55] but it sounds weird [01:55] no [01:55] lspci | grep -e Network -e Ethernet [01:55] webbi: What do you mean by you have access? [01:55] i have it here, near to me [01:56] rworkman: let me see [01:56] webbi: Oh ok. I though you ment you had connectivity but no internet access sorry [01:57] rworkman: i just noticed something [01:57] The /sys/class/net output indicates that you definitely have only one NIC showing up in the system. [01:57] rworkman: the lspci returns a pci ethernet netword card connected, rtl8139, which is the one i added [01:57] i checked the rtl chip on the mainboard and it says 8110 [01:58] so, lspci detect the pci card added? [01:58] dive: yeah, I knew you were stripping out kde stuff. (What a shame. :P) Have you tried kde4 out at all? [01:58] fire|bird, have it on my -current box [01:58] rworkman: the chip on mainboard says rtl8101 [01:58] webbi: looks that way [01:58] ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver [01:58] let me check [01:58] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:58] rworkman: nice, and kde 4.3 doesn't *require* pk yet, does it? [01:58] fire|bird, which is just for testing/bug fixing more than day-to-day stuff [01:58] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [01:58] fire|bird: nope, the docs were wrong :) [01:59] rworkman: great :) [01:59] or the hype, whatever :) [01:59] rworkman: yes, module -> 8139too [01:59] I'm glad I actually spent a few days *using* it -- I uncovered a longstanding bug in kdesu [01:59] so it's the added card... [01:59] webbi: then it should be working. That means the onboard one is dead. [02:00] I've been using kde 4.2.4 now for a few weeks, it's very nice, but Kontact gets on my nerves, so thankfully claws-mail exists. :) [02:00] Is there accually alot of improvements to the 4.3 release over the current? [02:00] > [02:00] If you put the equivalent of "root:rworkman:NOPASS" in /etc/suauth so that you can su without a password, then kdesu hangs. [02:01] It's been a bug since early 3.x days, so it's not likely to get fixed any time soon. [02:01] Once I get my laptop working, it will be the home of slack64 and I can mess around with things more on that. :D [02:01] vald0r: I can't really tell, tbh. 4.2.4 seems decent as well [02:01] rworkman: so i will disable the onboard one and add 2 pci cards [02:01] 2.6.30.4-slack64 [02:02] webbi: the onboard one is already disabled effectively :) [02:02] entersandman (n=puppy@adsl-65-43-230-164.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:02] webbi: you'll probably want to delete the persistent rules file for network devices in /etc/udev/rules.d, and then after booting the system with the second add-on card, edit the newly generated one to put the two nics at eth0 and eth1 as you prefer. [02:02] rworkman: wait, i will move to a near pc, so i dont need to go there and here to talk [02:03] (then reboot to make it take effect) [02:03] rworkman: i see [02:03] rworkman: hi robby :) [02:03] rworkman: ok, i will do it [02:03] rworkman: brb [02:03] webbi (n=webi@190.247.202.227) left irc: "error: bedtime" [02:03] webbi (n=webbi@190.247.202.227) joined ##slackware. [02:03] ok, im more near here [02:04] rworkman, i will add a enw card to see what happen [02:04] after delete the udev rule [02:04] rworkman: having used kde4 lately, I've also been trying konqueror out and am actually quite impressed with how nice it is. [02:05] fire|bird: yeah, it is pretty good [02:05] TB3's tabbed interface that I'm hearing about is making me with claws had one [02:05] I've been using it more often lately for browsing. konqueror + kget is a nice combination. [02:05] rworkman, i have 1 rtl pci card and 2 noganet cards... should i use 1 rtl and 1 noganet or 2 noganet? what you recommend? [02:05] speaking of file managers. has anyone played with pcmanfm yet. http://pcmanfm.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html. Like Thunar with some nice extras like tabs [02:06] rworkman: yes, I've been trying TB3 out lately, I really wish claws had a tabbed interface. Hopefully that will come eventually. [02:06] vald0r, i think i tried it, but it dissapointed me [02:06] vald0r, not sure if it's what i tried [02:07] vald0r, yes [02:07] anybody reads what i wrote? [02:07] rworkman: TB3 is sure taking a while to be released, When FF3 was in the works, there was talk that FF3 and TB3 would release around the same time, but that sure didn't happen. [02:07] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: [02:07] vald0r, it makes a nice replacement for thunar + it has tabs [02:08] dive: Yep I find its rather fast at generating thumbs as well [02:08] dive: alright, question, where do I set xdm to be used? :P [02:08] vald0r, agreed [02:08] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:08] ok and kudos for that mplayer thumbs script for kde4. I really missed my video thumbs when I did try kde [02:08] webbi: I don't think it matters as long as the nic is good [02:08] y0 slava_dp [02:08] fire|bird, if you have kdm then it will probably pick that first unless you edit rc.4 [02:09] dive: yeah, I've been using kdm [02:09] fire|bird: TB doesn't get the dev resources that FF does [02:09] fire|bird, vim /etc/rc.d/rc.4 and change the order so xdm lines ae first [02:10] rworkman: yeah, plus they took on Eudora (i.e. Penelope) and that is an active project as well. [02:10] dive: ok, thank you. [02:10] hey fire|bird :) [02:11] rworkman: ok, i will use one rtl and one noganet... i dont like noganet as much as rtl... [02:11] fire|bird, also a little trick to test it: change to runlevel 3 and type xdm as root, then you can ctrl-alt-backspace a couple of times to get back to cli [02:11] dive: ok [02:11] drijen_ (n=drijen@pool-71-96-2-151.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] Nick change: drijen_ -> drijen [02:11] _quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] Nick change: _quasar -> quasar [02:12] ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/3.0b3/linux-i686/en-US/thunderbird-3.0b3.tar.bz2 found this [02:12] fire|bird, although of course you can also switch VT and kill it [02:12] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:12] Rat409: that's what I've been trying out, it's quite nice tbh. [02:13] cool [02:13] I love the tabbed interface, Kontact has a tabbed interface as well, I wish claws did. [02:13] stable for you? [02:13] Rat409: very stable in my experience. [02:13] ya'll see that kwin is adding a tiling interface? [02:13] drijen: seriously? link? [02:14] fire|bird: sweet worth testing then. [02:14] anybody could tell me a good and free irc client for window$ ? i hate this, but i need to use this pc until the new one is working [02:14] slKIvs (n=ivan@112.81.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:14] Rat409: indeed. [02:14] fire|bird, heresay, im looking [02:14] webbi: xchat [02:14] webbi: xchat [02:14] drijen: :P, alright. [02:14] irssi [02:14] rworkman: still around? [02:14] webbi, icechat, mibbit, xchat2, irssi [02:14] great, i go with xchat [02:14] thanks [02:15] Microsoft Chat :D [02:15] hahahaha [02:15] Action: quasar wants a hammer plx! [02:15] fire|bird, http://kodeclutz.blogspot.com/2009/07/kwin-tiling-progress.html [02:15] brb, with xchat :) [02:15] webbi (n=webbi@190.247.202.227) left irc: [02:15] fire|bird, from what i gather, its not a full tiling, its merely a method to organize windows [02:15] webbi (n=webbi@190.247.202.227) joined ##slackware. [02:16] god, it's much better [02:16] slakmagik: yup [02:16] i was with hirc [02:16] which is still cool as hell, and would be just as/more useful than that macosx thing [02:16] expose [02:16] drijen: hmm, interesting. [02:16] http://kodeclutz.blogspot.com/2009/03/proposal-for-tiling-support-in-kwin.html [02:16] wow, mcedit is pretty cool [02:16] i never really took it seriously before [02:16] its basic, usable [02:16] ah - I fired up xfce the other day and it was more kde-like - I was just wondering if that was how upstream had changed it or if that was something special [02:16] and attractively cyan [02:17] slakmagik: upstream [02:17] Action: drijen heads to bed [02:17] rworkman, greetings sir [02:17] drijen: g'night sir :) [02:17] good night drijen [02:17] rworkman, have you seen macavity around? [02:17] okay - thanks - just wondering. :) [02:17] drijen: He's been around lately. [02:17] slakmagik, slack is always upstream [02:17] hes nto when i need him [02:17] drijen: As a DWM user, Tiling support to kwin would ROCK so much. [02:18] vald0r, scotwm here [02:18] well, I know, but it seemed so odd for xfce that I couldn't imagine it happening either way, so thought I'd ask. [02:18] rworkman, well hes never frikin around when i need him, can i submit my report to you instead/ [02:18] http://www.midnight-commander.org/downloads/mc-4.7.0-pre1.tar.bz2 found this too [02:18] swhat's the deal? [02:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-174-48-78-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:18] rworkman, he asked folks to test the intel video driver for slack -currec [02:19] said not enough bug reports [02:19] rworkman, i put the two cards, one noganet and other rtl, i disabled from pc bios the onboard lan, and again, it just recognize one board [02:19] rworkman, it toook eth0 with noganet card [02:19] drijen: is scotwm much different from DWM based WM's? [02:19] drijen: so it works? :) [02:19] rworkman, so i tested it for a week on a lenovo t500, stock kernel, no upgrades - all normal, even a small speed improvment [02:19] cool :) [02:19] vald0r, its the only sane tiling wm in my opinion [02:20] rworkman, compiz was a might bit shaky, but a small edit to my xorg fixed [02:20] rworkman, there isnt a file or something where i need to add a new card? im sure that i did something similar before [02:20] rworkman, needed a modeline, added it in, al is normal [02:20] rworkman: that reminds me, I'm still using pixman .18 with all kde4 effects, nvidia prop driver, etc. and haven't had any issues at all. [02:20] I used AwesomeWM's GIT branch before as well. sensible wm. but hell is a Lua based backend config really needed. The dependancies are rediculious as well [02:21] so please just pass that along, and rworkman if you ever make it down here, i want to buy you beer [02:21] and hookers [02:21] lots of each [02:21] i hated awesome [02:21] awesome sucks compared to ion3 [02:21] drijen: :) [02:21] webbi: just that udev rules file if it's not already there, but it should be if you removed it first [02:21] awesome has screwed up bindings, and worse methods [02:21] same for ion [02:21] and ratpoision [02:21] what's the best tabbed wm to start off with? [02:21] rworkman, yes, it was created again, but just with eh9 [02:21] just bad design [02:22] rworkman, eth0 [02:22] webbi: hrm, does the other card show in lspci? [02:22] anyway, gniht [02:22] *night [02:22] rworkman, no, just one, the noganet [02:22] drijen: sleep well :) [02:22] nn [02:22] so I ended up taking the current dwm 5.6.1 and just updating my patches for that I can use win+arrow keys to cycle tabs and the new multiply monitor support rocks [02:22] webbi: I don't know what's going on there :/ [02:22] rworkman, but we know that the rtl works fine, because it was recognized before [02:22] yeah :/ [02:22] I wonder if there are interrupt issues there [02:23] and I've got to get back to something else; I've run across a bug that I can't concentrate on solving while I'm here :/ [02:24] rworkman, ok, np... thanks anyway! [02:24] anybody else wants to try with my problem? it's very nice to solve :) [02:25] clank (n=clank@209.123.234.195) left irc: "leaving" [02:29] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:30] which is the correct module name for realtek pci network cards? 8139too ? [02:34] I believe so but it's been ages since I've used a realtek pci card [02:34] 8139too is the one for the 10/100 chips [02:34] maybe rtl8130 dunno [02:35] i tried but it wont work [02:35] maybe there is some option in pc bios setup to enable multiple nic cards ? [02:35] it's weird [02:36] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) joined ##slackware. [02:38] rtl8139 it seems [02:38] anyway, it just recognize one card [02:38] lspci just show me one card [02:39] and i have 2 [02:39] Rat409: have they changed it again? [02:39] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] slackytude (n=slackytu@p4FD89AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:40] morning [02:41] slackytude, morning guvnor [02:41] hows it going? [02:41] LSD`: not sure not many recent google hits [02:42] not good [02:42] oh? [02:42] different pc, jave to replace someone else, have no clue what I am doing and only java webchat [02:42] erk [02:42] mibbit is banned from freenode [02:43] ssh to another box? [02:43] Action: slackytude is in sales :( [02:43] ah those sales guys [02:43] lol [02:43] y0 slackytude, how goes? [02:44] dive thats an idea [02:44] fire|bird not so well right now [02:44] slackytude: yeah, I see that, hope your day gets better. :) [02:46] dang, there was a new claws version on 7.3.09 and I somehow missed it. :P [02:47] Action: dive throws mutt at fire|bird [02:48] why, why, why????? :D [02:49] Action: fire|bird throws claws-mail at dive :D [02:49] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) joined ##slackware. [02:49] anyone use a good music making program? [02:50] I love the way Londoners say 'Chicago' [02:50] it's interesting that it's Claws Mail, yet their sourceforge link is sylpheed-claws still. :P [02:50] their accent is so cool [02:51] winger: there's multiple [02:51] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [02:51] stig: freeware? [02:51] stig: he's on windows atm. :D [02:52] firebird: actually on text-based irssi [02:52] Picard > Kirk. [02:52] winger: nah not freeware [02:52] winger: yeah, but on linux or windows? [02:52] linux [02:52] byteframe: yeah without a doubt [02:52] mmm boosh [02:53] staying text-based, i like it [02:53] winger: you mean for making music, not just listening, right? [02:53] winger: but if you're serious about music production, you'll either pirate one of the costly ones, or buy one. because everything else is crap [02:53] oh, id rather it be under X, but right now i am under irssi/cli [02:53] winger: dont let the opensource people tell you otherwise [02:53] stig: I disagree. :) [02:54] stig: what kind of music do you produce? [02:54] of course you do, fire|bird [02:54] winger: In linux, there's audacity, hydrogen, ardour, lmms, qtractor, etc. [02:54] winger: whatever? [02:54] winger: oh sorry [02:54] genre i should say [02:54] winger: yeah i totally misread you [02:55] stig: dtanner, eviljames, and myself have created the studios project for audio production work on slackware. :D I've tried out several of the apps linux has available. :D [02:55] flash can stream speex over udp now? [02:55] jiraia_ (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:b5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:55] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] how do i set this up [02:56] winger: i'd say if i went serious about it i'd make mostly chill/downbeat stuff. but im a student doing a retarded degree now so no time for anything [02:56] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-128.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:56] downtempo [02:57] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-106-118.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:57] psychedelic chill. see twisted.co.uk [02:58] genres are stupid. i dont know what to call it [02:58] its cool music. its the 'cool' genre [02:59] man, this java craps sucks [02:59] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-106-118.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:59] I guess I need to learn irssi [03:00] slackytude: you mean just how to use it? It's actually not all that difficult, the basics anyway. [03:01] Action: slackytude nods [03:02] slackytude: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup <--There's a good starting place. [03:02] well, first I have to some ssh going [03:02] I guess I could use mirc as well [03:03] NOO! They're all going to laugh at you! [03:04] use telnet! [03:04] who is this they you speak of? :P [03:04] Action: quasar points at slackboy [03:06] slackboy can laugh? slackboy never seemed like the laughing type, more the "I'm gonna kick your rear" type. :P [03:07] usually laughs as the rear-kicking is being done.. but because of the force of the kick no one seems to notice the laugh [03:07] mornin [03:07] I used to run mirc with wine [03:07] back in the days [03:08] when I was young and innocent and had hair [03:08] quasar: haha [03:08] I'm using it right now [03:08] <-- Emacs IRC Client [03:08] I'm using irssi right now, I also like pidgin and xchat and konversation and quassel. :D [03:09] gosh, emacs can do everything huh. :P [03:09] korg815`` (n=user@bas8-london14-1279480205.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Hmmm .. It cant make me a sandwhich like perl can [03:10] what does it do when you right click? [03:10] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [03:10] nothing :P [03:10] under slackbuilds: you need only the Slackbuild .tar.gz , right? [03:11] winger: you need both the source and slackbuild, the slackbuild being a .tar.gz [03:11] the source is also a .tar.gz [03:11] mmm tarballs [03:12] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:13] has anyone define/declared/w.e. make targets so that a makefile begins from the tarball instead of a dir? [03:13] anybody have any idea why slack 12 does not recognize two nic cards in my pc ?? [03:13] fire|bird: install the source first, then the slackbuild? [03:13] nothing in dmesg? [03:13] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@63.99.218.194) joined ##slackware. [03:13] webbi, you mean the kernel isnt finding the cards? [03:13] it just recognize one of them as eth0 [03:14] ok; that's half battle [03:14] Quiznos, i dont know, dmesg just show me eth0 [03:14] ok [03:14] lspci just show me one of them too [03:14] ok [03:14] winger: no, I'll direct you to the howto again, :P, http://www.slackbuilds.org/howto/ The slackbuild is what installs the source, please read that link. [03:14] webbi /proc/int* [03:14] building claws 3.7.2 \o/ [03:14] Quiznos, what should i do? [03:15] cat it [03:15] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-120-234-52.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [03:15] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [03:15] firebird: all that says is to download the slackbuild, not the source. [03:15] Quiznos, well i have a list of things here, but no idea what it means [03:16] winger: from that link: Next, download the source of the application :) [03:16] webbi are eth* mentioned in file? [03:16] third column [03:16] hey [03:16] fourth [03:16] what does this mean ? clflush size : 64 [03:17] Quiznos, no [03:17] from context pls [03:17] ok webbi [03:17] card doesnt exist; reseat it (power down) [03:17] fire|bird: i must be confused on what the source download is needed for if the slackbuild contains the program. [03:17] Quiznos, i already poweroff, reset, all [03:17] re-seated? [03:17] Quiznos, also, currently it detect one of 2 cards [03:17] pulled and pushed? [03:17] Quiznos, what you mean with that? [03:17] Quiznos, ohh yes [03:18] Quiznos, a lot of times [03:18] i mean physically pull out card and push in [03:18] ok [03:18] Quiznos, i also try with different pci ports [03:18] ok [03:18] winger: the slackbuild *doesn't* contain the program, the slackbuild uses the source to make a package of the program which you can then install. [03:18] maybe bad slot? [03:18] mobo prob? [03:18] Quiznos, if i pull out one of them then the other is recognized [03:18] Quiznos, you mean modprobe ? [03:18] ah, so install the source first? [03:18] ok; thats a bios prob/conflict [03:19] Quiznos, hmmmm [03:19] you bin messin with a bios page >1? :) [03:19] Quiznos, i have no idea about what you talk, sorry [03:19] ok [03:19] Quiznos, what page > 1 is? [03:19] Quiznos, sorry [03:19] let's check this: [03:20] i mean the bios setup program has multiple pages accessed by functin key [03:20] Quiznos, maybe... i didnt check it in deep [03:20] ok [03:20] Quiznos, let me open it and go through it [03:20] ok [03:20] Quiznos, ok, im there [03:21] k [03:21] webbi: In your Bios is Plug and Play OS set to No? [03:21] vald0r, let me check [03:21] Quiznos, tell me if i need to look for something special [03:21] what the PCI slot intereupts are set to [03:21] fire|bird: unpack source. ./configure , make, make install, then same thing for the slackbuild? [03:22] winger: so, in short, you download both the source and the slackbuild from slackbuilds.org, you extract the slackbuild which makes a folder, you then place the source tarball in that folder, you then, as root, run chmod +x program_name.Slackbuild (replace program_name with the name of the program) and then run ./program_name.Slackbuild (as root) (again, replace program_name with name of program), this creates a package (.tgz (on 12.2 and p [03:22] webbi: I've had problems with NICs not auto detecting if it is set to YES. as when it is set to no the bios automaticly sets up the devices before it gets into the OS [03:22] dang, that wasn't so short eh? :P [03:22] fire|bird: oh wow so i am doing it completely wrong ? [03:22] ok i will look for both cases [03:22] well, one nice thing. I dont have to talk to customers [03:22] winger: yes. :) [03:22] slackytude: \o/ [03:22] is true that The 32-bit machines do not have lm flag ? [03:23] what's lm? [03:23] vald0r, Quiznos PCI IDE BUSMASTER: ENAB LED ? [03:23] winger: All of what I just said is also in that link I posted. :) [03:23] webbi ok, what else [03:23] Quiznos, nothing else there [03:23] webbi you dont need to cap, just use `' [03:24] whta about the other pci options? [03:24] Quiznos, nothing... it have nothing else [03:24] might be in a sub menu [03:24] or subpage [03:24] webbi: yes there should be a Plug and Play OS setting as well unless it is a very old board [03:24] Quiznos, top menu: main, advanced, h/w monitor, boot, security, exit [03:25] in advanced [03:25] korg815` (n=user@bas8-london14-1279480205.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:25] Quiznos, under avanced: cpu configuration, chipset config, acpi config, ide config, pcipnp config, floppy, superio and usb config [03:25] pcipnp [03:26] Quiznos, it's the one i told you [03:26] ok [03:26] un chipset? [03:26] Quiznos, just that option and pci latency timer set to 32 [03:26] under [03:26] ok [03:26] Quiznos, under chipset> [03:26] yes [03:27] Quiznos: lm means Long mode - 64 bit CPU [03:27] ah ty [03:27] np [03:27] no such flag in 32bit chips [03:27] Quiznos, dram freq, flexibility options, configure dram timin by spd, dram cas latency, dram ras precharge, dram ras to cas delay, dram precharge delay, dram buirst length [03:27] fire|bird: what good does it have being a tarball sitting in the slackbuild directory? [03:27] flag position should be x [03:27] Quiznos, more... [03:28] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: "leaving" [03:28] winger: The source tarball sits in the slackbuild directory so that the slackbuild can access it to make a package. [03:29] Quiznos, init graphic adaptter priority> pci/agp, internal graphic mode select: auto, onboard lan: disabled, onboard ac97 audio enabled, onboard ac97 modem enabled, full reset if power loss auto, vccm auto, vddq auto, ich thermal throttling auto [03:29] interesting.. i thought when something was compressed the files were inaccessible until extracted. [03:29] ooo [03:29] Quiznos, i disabled onboard lan because i want to use 2 external [03:29] but [03:29] did flag interfere with two nic? [03:29] winger: The slackbuild is designed to extract the tarball itself to get what it needs. [03:30] Quiznos, hmm [03:30] try it [03:30] en it. [03:30] Quiznos, enable again? [03:30] nods [03:30] Quiznos, ok [03:30] ok, there was no directory created [03:30] or is it under /tmp [03:30] winger tar tf filename to check dir structure of files [03:31] its under /tmp [03:31] ok [03:31] in a dir? [03:31] but .tgz is used with installpkg right [03:31] yes [03:34] Quiznos, i have two eth now :) [03:34] is installpkg a slackbuild as well? [03:34] Quiznos, man, i dont know how to thank you [03:34] winger: no [03:34] nm, prob need to be root [03:34] just say ty. [03:34] Quiznos, Thank You! [03:34] yvw [03:35] Quiznos, now.... if i enabled onboard lan, and now i have eth0 and eth1... i should not have eth2 too ? [03:35] maybe [03:35] Quiznos, because i have the onboard nic and two pci connected [03:35] figer out which is which [03:36] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] connect three wires and have at it [03:36] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [03:36] Quiznos, yes, i will.. now i have work to do... thanks again dude! [03:36] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:36] yw [03:36] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:38] \o/ claws-mail is now updated. :D [03:38] yay [03:39] on a usb connected hd, is it just usb->ide->hd? [03:39] fire|bird did you try some stuff with wave yesterday? [03:39] or is there an os somewhere in there too? [03:39] y0 rk4n3 [03:39] slackytude: no, can't get openfire working. :/ [03:39] rk4n3, hows it going [03:39] fire|bird ah right, you said [03:39] slackytude: I don't know why it won't work, but it won't. :P [03:40] Action: slackytude shurgs [03:40] gremlins [03:40] slackytude: I could always try it in my windows vm. :P [03:40] bugs bunny's gremlin? [03:40] with a sledgehammer? [03:40] hah! [03:41] slackytude: I'll openfire needs is suppose to be just mv it to /opt or /usr/bin and then from that dir run ./openfire start, and then access it's web interface (which is the part that won't work for me) [03:41] err s/I'll/All/ [03:41] whats the best way to search for a file under CLI? [03:41] find, locate, ls [03:41] deps on what you want and how [03:41] whereis, which [03:41] which which [03:41] try it [03:42] i moved a file to another folder and now its disapeared [03:42] fire|bird hrm [03:42] lol [03:42] good! going! [03:42] that takes skill0r5 [03:42] lol [03:42] holy hot air balloon launch batman: http://blog.flickr.net/en/2009/08/02/balloon-launch/ [03:42] heh [03:42] so no one knows about usb-ide-hd? [03:43] 329 hot air balloons launched at a rally in Fance. [03:43] where'd they go? [03:43] up? :P [03:44] Umm, not sure [03:44] lol wno, which wau? [03:44] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-2-151.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:44] wno/no [03:44] It doesn't say in that link, so I don't know. That's a heck of a lot of balloons though. [03:44] defin [03:45] i'm sure it was quite a sight [03:45] talk about a lot of hot air. [03:45] like in Nevada [03:45] slackytude: If you give wave a try, let me know if it works for you. Openfire also has source, but I couldn't figure that out either. [03:45] what's the prob with openfire? [03:46] what is it? [03:46] how can i check to see if someone is attempting to compromise my system? [03:46] fire|bird Im going to, depends how much / what kind of work I have to do [03:46] I want Quiznos subs!!! [03:46] does it pass the smell test? [03:46] ok [03:46] looks like I might be here for 3 weeks or so [03:46] where? [03:46] different place at work [03:46] i think the mouse is tenderising my thumbal nerve [03:46] Quiznos, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG042nkReBA [03:47] ty [03:47] wazit? [03:47] to be clicking. [03:47] the vid? [03:47] not in gooey atm [03:47] Quiznos: It's a real-time collaboration server needed for Google Wave [03:47] ah [03:47] i dont need to M$ :) [03:48] i'm not a winderman, i'm a linuxer [03:48] Quiznos, elinks + youtube2.js + mplayer -vo svga ;-) [03:48] AnonymousRednek: checking log files (/var/log) is where I would start (note: lack of information in a log file does not necesarily mean you haven't already been compromised) [03:48] dive cool [03:48] svga is dead here ;) [03:48] after doing a who, anyway [03:48] quasar, i know [03:48] Quiznos: I've been trying to get google wave working, with no success. Also, in the comments for the installation howto, someone installed it and it works well in slack 12.1. I'm on current [03:48] svga lib wont load [03:48] just installed rtorrent.. but if i want to search for the actual torrents, can i use this program? [03:48] fire|bird ok [03:49] Quiznos, in the conf disable the helper [03:49] dive which conf? [03:49] /etc/vga/libvga.config [03:49] ok [03:49] i think [03:49] i know which you mean [03:49] brb coffee [03:49] NoHelper # Disable use of the helper-kernelmodule (/dev/svga) and [03:50] Quiznos, but you will probably need to get permissions on /dev/kmem I think it is [03:50] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:50] dive, root-only box here at home :) [03:51] (##slackware) Channel ban on sandman*!*@* expired. [03:51] ##slackware: mode change '-b sandman*!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:51] ty [03:51] lemme chk that... [03:51] i don't see anything odd, but my network activity is unusually busy [03:51] KDE 4.3 is going to be released today, is it possible that it's going to be included in slack 13? [03:51] matt0, I would double it [03:51] doubt* [03:51] kde 8.6? [03:51] OK [03:51] dive what about `nohelper' flag? it's commented atm [03:51] slackytude: haha, it just started working. [03:52] uncomment it [03:52] k [03:52] anything else [03:52] ? [03:52] probably be good if you configured the video card driver and mouse (if they don't work already) [03:52] they do [03:52] I found vesafb works best for me but ymmv [03:52] nods [03:53] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:53] my prob is that tween fbxine|mplayer, each will only play some subgroup of the popular kinds of vids [03:54] i'd rather use mplayer, being more capable [03:54] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] yeah it does .flv which is good for the youtube stuff [03:54] i've installed essentials-* already [03:54] nods [03:54] brb coffee [03:54] and gxine is a pita in gui [03:54] dive, coffee, at 4am...?? [03:55] byteframe oh yea; jah jah juice [03:55] lol [03:56] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "wut" [03:57] byteframe, 8:57 here [03:57] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:57] Mon Aug 3 00:57:58 PDT 2009 [03:58] thats impossible. [03:58] the universe isnt that big. [03:58] Mon 03 Aug 8:58am [03:58] byteframe, just improbable [03:58] Mon Aug 3 03:58:42 EDT 2009 [03:58] Q is boss. [03:58] Today is Setting Orange, the 69th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3175 [03:59] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (94% of Full) [03:59] Next SubGenius Holiday: August 6 The Dance of the Insensitive Bastards [03:59] nice [03:59] you gonna dance dive? [03:59] SUNNY. PATCHY FOG THIS MORNING. HIGHS IN THE MID 80S. [03:59] NORTHWEST WINDS 5 TO 10 MPH. [03:59] quasar, oh yes :-) [04:00] hmm, weather is clear and calm, 66.6'F and 100% humidity with not a cloud in the sky... [04:00] Where you at, dawg? [04:00] http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=06785&MR=1 [04:00] my weather script is too slow :/ [04:00] Weather @ London/Gatwick: [04:00] Sky conditions: mostly clear [04:00] Channel flood from dive -- kicking [04:00] Temperature: 62 F (17 C) [04:00] dive kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:00] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [04:00] wb dive :) [04:00] slackboy thinks otherwise, dive [04:01] and it also gets a good kicking [04:01] http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [04:01] I should probably make it one line [04:01] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-166.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:01] byteframe, anyways, its been super rainy this year, this summer i would say we had 10 days that it did not rain... [04:01] Well, later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care. [04:01] if I wanted all that crap I'd run an eggdrop :) [04:01] bye fire|bird [04:02] edman007, I agree. It also knocks out my dsl.... [04:02] I used to love rian [04:02] rain [04:02] bye Lord_Khelben [04:02] antiwire, nullboy? [04:02] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] re Quiznos here [04:02] what did i miss? [04:02] PurpleSmurf, i ate him [04:02] awww; how was it? [04:03] ran out of food, and i saw Quiznos in the channel, so i ate him [04:03] nice and toasty [04:03] i suppose, having misc-appropriated their nick, I should eat there maybe once? [04:03] heh [04:03] yea [04:03] or maybe they owe me? [04:03] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware. [04:03] i've had that nick for long time [04:04] dive, anything else on svga crapola? [04:04] i'm in gooey now [04:04] alter-nick-ego ;) [04:04] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [04:04] PurpleSmurf, dunno, what do you need to do? [04:05] just asking if that's all ya got? [04:05] i NEED a life, a wife and some privacy :) [04:05] PurpleSmurf, have a look for fbida for fb image viewer perhaps, and maybe zgv too [04:05] :) but that's just me [04:05] zgv is vkool [04:05] PurpleSmurf: wife + privacy doesn't exist [04:05] used that for years pre-2.4 [04:05] quasar: heh; not the way I'd do it. [04:06] shear a mountain top, dig it out and get under it! [04:06] lol [04:06] what are your scores on the nerd test? ( http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php ) [04:06] anyone good at understanding woman? when you tell someone you wana break up and they tell you to 'take it easy for a while' and lock themselfs in the washroom [04:06] what the fuck does that mean [04:07] it means you might get a high score on that test... I did [04:09] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.216.5) joined ##slackware. [04:09] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "out for the night" [04:10] acidchild, lol [04:10] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.216.5) left irc: Client Quit [04:11] paissad_ (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:11] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.216.5) joined ##slackware. [04:11] dchmelik, All hail the monstrous nerd. You are by far the SUPREME NERD GOD!!! [04:11] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.216.5) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:11] morning [04:11] is that bad? [04:11] of course the hacker test was more interesting than the nerd one... but I have not seen it in a while [04:11] Camarade_Tux, morning squire [04:11] no, edman007, that is what I got (96%) [04:11] dchmelik: ok i'm in the 90th percentile [04:11] Action: Camarade_Tux scores 99 on the nerd test [04:11] lol [04:11] i got 98% [04:11] oh man [04:11] dang, Camarade_Tux! [04:11] king nerd present!!! [04:11] rofl [04:12] to be sure, which test are we talking about [04:12] http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php [04:12] the one at the url above [04:12] yep, 99 on this one iirc [04:12] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@202.174.145.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:12] 90 [04:12] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [04:12] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] oops dont hit that button [04:12] what was i saying? [04:12] *boom* [04:13] ohh, and a v2.0 -> http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nt2.php?nt1 [04:13] Action: edman007 takes [04:13] only 9% scored higher than me and I know what to do with a whooman [04:13] lol [04:13] who was pictured in the first picture? [04:13] no clue lol [04:13] I thought it was Maxwell, but I am not quite sure [04:13] I scored much less on the 2.0 test, and not in all fields [04:14] i am a `Supreme Nerd' yay me [04:14] (in some fields, I scored average) [04:14] i eliminated unlikelies [04:15] i also chose Maxwell [04:15] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:16] I chose Newton for the second image [04:16] http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_loser.php :) [04:17] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [04:17] the guy is maxwell iirc [04:17] PurpleSmurf: so did I [04:17] yeah [04:17] Morning all.. long time no see [04:19] morning Zordrak :) [04:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:19] bah 98% [04:19] 1% scored higher 99% scored lower "All hail the monstrous nerd. You are by far the SUPREME NERD GOD!!!" [04:19] Zordrak, morning squire [04:19] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-166.kav.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware ("No matter how dark the night, somehow the Sun rises once again"). [04:20] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-166.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:20] grrr [04:20] I didn't know first pic [04:20] I put max planck i think [04:20] it doesn't say how many people are the percentages though [04:21] i put maxwell. i can't remember who maxwell is so i supposed it is him [04:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431640.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:22] dchmelik, Dorky Nerd God 97 on science/math, 98 on computers/tech, 60-75 on the others, and thats what i would expect [04:22] I am still taking version 2 [04:22] grazymax (n=grazymax@host236-156-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:22] hm it gave me only one result [04:23] bah, I fail everything, I can't even manage to be a loser! ='( 80% of people are bigger losers than I am [04:23] dive: maxwell :) [04:23] maxwell, electromagnetism! \o/ [04:24] ok who scored what on v2? [04:24] i remember maxwell constant but i didn't remember what it was about :P [04:24] Vulcans don't smile!!! [04:24] my doekiness sscore is 48% [04:24] dorkiness [04:24] everything else 2% [04:25] I AM NERD GOD!!! [04:25] yay [04:25] lol [04:25] (all %s are the % scored lower) 95% math/science, 82% computers/technology, 28% sci-fi/comic, 53% history/literature, 7% dumb/dork/awkwardness [04:25] Camarade_Tux, yes maxwell gets 99% [04:25] PurpleSmurf: comrade :) lets go eat ambrosia :) [04:26] which test? [04:26] yay [04:26] jahjah juice, aka coffee [04:26] Action: Zordrak just finished moving house and is very happy. Got an office! [04:26] they should add a categ, Nerd God with knowledge of whooman! [04:26] lol [04:26] lol "From this point forward, you'll hold the title: Uber Cool Nerd King carry it proudly!" [04:26] Zordrak: good now get the cot next to the desk [04:27] on ver. 2 I got 92% math & also computers, 85% SF/comics, 96% lit, 61% awkwardness [04:27] heh.. no it has its own en suite next door :) [04:27] mine are: (top down LR) 3, 8 48, 2, 12 [04:27] Zordrak: that's too far away [04:28] dchmelik, 99% are cooler, and 1% are more of a loser than you. What does this mean? You are a total loser, ouch! [04:28] :( [04:28] are those the % that scored higher or lower? -_- [04:28] what test is that from, edman007? [04:28] higher for mine [04:28] the loser one [04:28] I should not have mentioned it if it said that [04:28] Lord_Khelben, PurpleSmurf, yeah, let's share a drink between the true nerds -_- [04:28] heh [04:28] maybe i'll celebrate and go out in the morning :) [04:28] browse a bookstore [04:28] lol [04:28] edman007: you scored 99% on the losiness test? :P [04:29] yea... [04:29] my question is why do all these tests assume that all nerds like star trek? [04:29] is there a irc client writ in .js? [04:29] quasar: quality of work [04:29] though i had to put down email as primary comunication, which is wrong, primary communication for me is irc/jabber/aim/msn/yahoo [04:29] All hail the monstrous nerd. You are by far the SUPREME NERD GOD!!! [04:29] shatnerisms [04:29] lol [04:29] huh, most of the other tests on that site look silly... I shouldhave brought up the hacker test [04:30] quasar, exactly, i lost out on the nerd one because it assumed i liked BSG, and IMHO BSG SUCKS [04:30] too bad there was nothing about music [04:30] yeah [04:30] some of the tests were missing options too [04:30] why can't they throw in stargate or something? [04:30] they did [04:31] Action: quasar doesn't watch movies at all.. only discovery science [04:31] lol [04:31] bah, the website says that I'm "totally cool" [04:31] so, I'm a "totally cool nerd king" :D [04:31] edman007: the tv question, the ellipses at the end [04:31] lol [04:31] oh no, "totally cool nerd god" :D [04:32] i have apple ][ line and c64 in storage [04:32] along with the rest of my life too [04:32] and a bumnch of Mac boxen there too [04:32] I have a couple a500s in storage [04:32] quadra;s i think [04:32] PurpleSmurf, no, i checked, it mentions stargate and dr who in the movie/dvd collection section, but it asks no questions about those [04:32] but I have not tried them yet [04:33] ah [04:33] and both of those are better than BSG [04:33] yea, me neither edman007, storage is 100miles away from me [04:33] i was watching tube clips of B5 the other night; stracyinksi (sp?) was excellent [04:34] that should be a geek test, spell his name correctly [04:34] oops, 1000 miles away [04:35] science 8% higher than me, computers 3% higher sci-fi 5% higher history 52% higher :P dumb 12% higher = Highly dorky nerd god [04:35] this test ware more annoying. the first was better [04:35] lol [04:35] agreed [04:35] http://www.nerdtests.com/images/badge/nt2/4bdab3c033d68a9c.png [04:35] lol [04:36] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:36] wow 30% testers are gals? [04:36] lol 49.7% of them don't own a lightsaber (priorities == messed up). [04:37] 32.2% of all test takers would choose the Internet over sex [04:37] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:37] that's the stat that scares me [04:37] dive, http://www.nerdtests.com/images/badge/nt2/ee3f15e027e5d9bf.png [04:37] quasar: i chose it too :P [04:37] Camarade_Tux, bow down before the supreme Nerd God [04:37] that was fun. [04:37] Camarade_Tux, morning [04:38] i've done that before too [04:38] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:38] korg815`` (n=user@bas8-london14-1279480205.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (devel) (IRC client for Emacs)"). [04:38] every slacker here is supreme nerd god [04:38] my scores consistently high [04:38] edman007, you did good on science [04:38] that says something :P [04:38] lol [04:38] PurpleSmurf, thats actually not that unusual, statistically girls are actually very active doing web games and such (and when you include flash games and such, they actually game more then men) [04:38] elkng (n=wnb@78-24-228-199-gprs.vntc.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:38] dive, well i got an EE degree, i would hope so [04:38] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:38] edman007: i'll take your word for it; i dont actually know any nerd-girls; maybe i should check local Craig's list [04:38] there a few things I hadn't seen like jeopardy and I guess some other stuff from USA [04:38] lol [04:39] dive, my grandma watches jeopardy every day [04:39] why do men have niples? [04:39] dive: you're in Canada, right? [04:39] dive: you dont know VannaWhite? uber letter babe? [04:39] lol [04:39] PurpleSmurf, well not nerd girls, thats the thing, all those facebook games, girls do those a LOT [04:39] ah [04:39] slackytude: how much did you score? ;) [04:40] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Lord_Khelben, I do not think you reported your lit score on ver. 2 [04:40] lit=literature ? [04:40] y [04:40] quasar, UK [04:40] isn't the same as history ? [04:41] it is a different score [04:41] Camarade_Tux, sumpreme nerd god. think it was 97% but I forgot already [04:41] unless you got the same [04:41] it said history/literature score [04:41] I got different on each [04:41] I think [04:41] wait you are right [04:42] when's the next Denny's meal coupon being email-sent? [04:43] dive: ah, dont know where I got the idea you were in Canada [04:43] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.2) joined ##slackware. [04:43] slak: to put it shortly, we have mammary glands but they dont fully develope [04:44] speak for yourself [04:44] lol [04:44] lol [04:44] manboobs ftw! [04:44] pics or it never happened! [04:44] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:44] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:44] heh [04:44] j/k [04:44] almost [04:45] elkng (n=wnb@78-24-228-199-gprs.vntc.ru) left ##slackware. [04:45] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:45] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:45] they're only fully qualified "moobs" if you've won wet t-shirt contests (I have) [04:45] slackytude: I think I forgot the name for 99% :) [04:45] lol quasar [04:45] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:46] well; off to the Tube to watch some 80s alt rock [04:46] later [04:46] of course, because it was a LAN party, we were all males :( [04:47] start with a-ha and air-piano [04:47] and air-drums [04:47] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [04:52] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:52] got quiet in here [04:52] oops i died [04:52] oera did [04:52] opera [04:52] netstat plugged up the works [04:53] why does opera even use netstat [04:53] how lond would one take to crack 256bit AES encyrption? [04:53] i havent heard of any cracks in aes [04:53] at the fastest pc on earth [04:53] years? [04:54] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:54] the idea is to keep the current best at bay until the next best thing can be written [04:54] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.70) joined ##slackware. [04:55] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.210) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:55] look antiwire is alive :D [04:55] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:55] there was a /. recently were they used ATI cards to crack AES256 [04:55] ok, let's try that again [04:55] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:55] ati cards? [04:55] cool [04:56] no, sorry, that was MD5 collisons [04:56] slackytude: and? [04:56] ahhh [04:56] test [04:56] I guess that leaves that PS3 bruteforce attempt to be the fastest, afaik [04:57] AnonymousRednek: test2 [04:57] is still necessary to use modprobe.conf to specify alias for eth devices? [04:57] ok, i'm back [04:58] hey did you know guys that its a federal crime if you installed encryption technology on your Linux system and then transported it out of the country? [04:59] damn, i really do enjoy that a-ha video [04:59] depends on the encryption tech, but yeah, it could be [04:59] that brings back memories [05:00] i don't know if its true but it was said then when openbsd moved to canada they printed every line of code in paper :) [05:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:00] that was done for the non-us verion of gpg [05:00] alisonken1noc: Furthermore, if you e-mailed encryption software to a friend in another country, or let him or her download it from your server, you violated the law. [05:00] in order to transport the crypto code [05:00] they printed out the code and typed it in again [05:00] no no no, the export REGULATION has been changed [05:00] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:01] or did they change it again? [05:01] i don't know much about laws but this seems a way stupid law [05:01] as if 100% crypto stuff is written by the pentagon [05:01] nm and either way, that djin is ALREADY out of the bottle [05:01] question, is still necessary to specify alias for eth devices in modprobe.conf? alias eth0 8139too... etc ? or not? [05:01] webbi: no [05:01] this was necessary long time ago [05:01] if you had 2 cards [05:02] Lord_Khelben: there is NO law re encrypt; it's all regulation under COLOR OF LAW; a diferent kind of anmal [05:02] Lord_Khelben, thanks [05:02] Lord_Khelben, i have 2 cards [05:02] if you had 2 cards with different chipsets and you wanted [05:02] to hardwire which card would be eth0 and which eth1 [05:02] Lord_Khelben, yes, i think that it will not hurt [05:02] now udev does that based on the mac address [05:02] webbi: assumming you are running a recent slack version with udev of course [05:03] Lord_Khelben, 12.1 [05:03] slackytude: oh yeah U.S. Commerce Departments Bureau of Export Administration requires a review of encryption products before they can be exported. [05:04] And U.S. companies are also still not allowed to export encryption technology to countries classied as supporting terrorism. [05:04] webbi: if you want to mess with the order the necessary file will be in /etc/udev/rules.d/ [05:04] nowadays it is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [05:04] but i think in 12.1 it had a different name [05:04] Lord_Khelben, i will take llok [05:04] look [05:04] slak: yea, that's the REGULATION; not law; and, is that current? [05:04] slak, how current is that reg? [05:04] Lord_Khelben, the nice thing now is that the pc halt... i took the net card and it was damn hot [05:04] PurpleSmurf: since 2000 on [05:05] "review" doesnt mean restriction, but see Berstein v US on that subject [05:05] Lord_Khelben, so, it was broken... or the pc blow up it [05:05] skak; ok, i'd review that reg monthly in the FedReg [05:05] webbi: normally eth cards don't get hot (unless it was next to a graphics card or something) [05:05] that berstein of qmail. [05:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:05] he went at it with them on 1st Amendment isses [05:05] issews [05:06] Lord_Khelben, well it was really hot [05:06] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-117-228.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Lord_Khelben, crap i dont know if i have another one [05:06] its weird the way we lost our privacy lately, just because of those damn retards bomber-man fucking terrorists [05:07] if you could rephrase that then i could respond conservatively :) [05:07] lol [05:07] I bet there are about 10 feds right now here in the channel [05:07] Action: PurpleSmurf hides [05:07] ooo let's play `poke a fed' [05:07] rofl [05:07] who owns a nug? [05:08] or a 30 ought-nothing? [05:08] hmm got silent here quick [05:09] you're all feds :) [05:09] first one to leave is a fed [05:10] lol [05:10] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [05:10] O.o' [05:10] xdan is it!!! [05:10] lol [05:10] coward [05:11] hah [05:11] yeah hell be back [05:11] well, i'm begining to agree with what Lysander Spooner wrote in the 1800s, _...Constitution of no effect..._ or someth like that [05:11] feds are only in the ubuntu channels where all the hackers are [05:11] why would they come here ? [05:12] yea! we're just slackers [05:12] ok so who can we poke next? [05:12] where's that current pick list of words for echelon? [05:13] yea, let's poke the big green machine that reads everything [05:13] Lord_Khelben: because we said the strings (bomb|terror)? [05:13] heh [05:13] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:13] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [05:13] intercontinental combastic systems? [05:13] they can filter from anywhere those strings with their super system [05:13] hah [05:13] super-schmooper [05:13] rofl [05:13] slak: we could talk about bomberman (or dynablaster in the pc) and xcom:terror from the deep games [05:14] or 100 other things [05:14] :P [05:14] let's rot13 everything and tawk that way [05:14] http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2236/spiderbjt.jpg POKE ME [05:14] ew [05:14] groddy to the max [05:14] Action: PurpleSmurf shudders [05:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:15] is it big enuf for a meal? [05:15] like lobster? [05:15] groddy or grody [05:15] lol [05:15] either [05:15] bothf/bof [05:15] ew [05:16] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:16] who's dyna* [05:16] strange slackware talk today [05:16] y0 fredoslack [05:16] y0 slava_dp [05:17] y0 slackytude [05:17] Hello slackytude :) [05:18] goodnight, everyone [05:19] dchmelik: from which planet? [05:19] Earth, clearly [05:19] PST [05:19] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:19] i can see sunshine tho [05:20] Action: slackytude cant [05:20] no windows :( [05:20] sunshine underground then [05:20] Im a prisioner [05:20] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [05:20] haha you're funny slackytude [05:21] no windows (Microsoft [05:21] I wish I was [05:21] got transfered [05:22] replacement for some dude [05:22] looks like I will be here for 3 weeks or so [05:22] and I just got this old machine with xp sp2 and IE 6 [05:22] its crap and slow [05:23] no windows, coffee machine is miles away [05:24] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:24] morning [05:25] indeed [05:27] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:29] y0 TwinReverb [05:29] y0 [05:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:32] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [05:33] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-117-228.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:34] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:34] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:34] guys, im with problems again... i have 1 pci nic card plus an onboard... both appear in lspci, but just one is recognized as eth1 [05:34] man, I wish this java client wouldnt notify me on join/parts [05:35] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:35] any idea about how can i proceed? [05:35] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] the other one should be recognized as eth0 [05:35] you mean eth0? [05:35] ifconfig -a | grep eth [05:35] On a P4 1.6 GHz with 512 MB of RAM, time requirements to crack a 9-length password with 63 characters  small letters, caps, digits, space , is 252000yrs [05:35] WOW!!!! [05:35] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:36] winterx, ifconfig -a just show me one interface [05:36] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:36] Nick change: adupuis -> Arno[Slack]`Work [05:36] now i rebooted and i have just one int, as eth0... but lspci show both [05:36] thats for 256bit aes [05:37] webbi: so one module is missing for the second one [05:37] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-117-228.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:37] Action: TwinReverb doesn't understand how normal average Joes need 256 bit AES [05:37] webbi, just to be clear, you seen eth0 now? [05:37] slak: that's why clusters with some gpu's on sli or crossfire are sooooo fucking crazy [05:38] slackytude: ifconfig is only recognizing one card is his problem [05:38] slackytude, yes [05:38] winterx, both are rtl8139 [05:38] winterx, i did lsmod and have 8139too loaded [05:38] alisonken1noc, yeah, just making sure [05:39] winterx, one is 8139D [05:39] webbi: are you only setting up one nic as networked? or are you running ifconfig on both cards/interfaces? [05:39] thats pretty rare these days, a nic that needs extra work in linux [05:39] alisonken1noc, he should see it in ifconfig -a anyway [05:39] true [05:39] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [05:40] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:40] alisonken1noc, i should see it with ifconfig -a [05:40] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:40] alisonken1noc, sorry, didnt read slackytude [05:40] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:40] webbi paste your ifconfig -a and lspci -vv ito pastebin [05:40] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:40] (that's dash-v-v, not dash-w) [05:41] winterx, i cant... im in another pc [05:41] ifconfig -a just show eth0 info [05:41] nothing about eth1 [05:42] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:42] lspci -vv let me check [05:42] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:42] well it show info about both [05:42] the onboard and the pci [05:43] i pluged a network cable and the led does nothing [05:43] it's off [05:43] damn, dailyMotion js is killing opera [05:43] it could be because it isnt "up" [05:43] needs a driver mod installed then [05:43] ifconfig -a will shown down interfaces as well [05:43] is there anny special mod for rtl8139d ? [05:43] slackytude, true [05:43] probably because the other nic would be wireless? [05:44] havent seen any NIC that needed special drivers for years, especially not realtek [05:44] me too [05:44] slak, both are no wireless [05:45] which one gets used btw? internal or external? [05:45] are wirefull :) [05:45] internal [05:45] webbi, Id try to disable that in BIOS and see what happens [05:45] maybe the card does not work? but it's idenfified by slackware [05:45] maybe its a conflict of sorts [05:45] check irq conflicts [05:45] check the bios [05:45] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:45] internal uses irq5, external uses irq21 [05:46] webbi: pci info is no guarantee of kernel module availability [05:46] webbi, amuse me and disable it in bios [05:46] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [05:46] alisonken1noc, but it's a realtek 8139... its too common [05:46] slackytude, let me try [05:46] which one doesn't work ? [05:46] i remember now that i had such problem, one of the pci slots was fsked [05:46] the onboard or the realtek ? [05:46] webbi, if the card was broken but shows in lspci you most likely see errors in dmsg [05:46] webbi: revision D may not be part of the driver yet [05:46] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [05:47] alisonken1noc, i will google it [05:47] some rtl8139 were not supported (and would not be) but it was beyond D i think [05:47] Lord_Khelben, why that? [05:47] i don't know [05:47] i remember reading it some time ago [05:47] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:48] slackytude, i will give a try to what alisonken1noc said, found some similar problems in google [05:48] i will try to use mod 8139cp [05:48] who knows [05:48] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:48] you're not helping [05:48] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Connection timed out [05:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [05:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:50] winterx, me? [05:51] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:52] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl10-180-237.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:54] appearently rtl8139D does not work with common 8139 mod [05:54] it needs to use ndiswrapper [05:54] isn't ndiswrapper for card supporting the ndis protocol (ie wireless cards) ? [05:55] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Lord_Khelben, i dont know [05:56] webbi: you need two cards for your setup ? [05:56] Lord_Khelben, yes [05:56] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:57] webbi, eh, get a proper card, mate [05:57] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:57] yes i think so [05:57] crap [05:57] i lost one day [05:58] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:58] thats rather suprising. ndiswrapper for an ethernet card by realtek [05:58] this was major strike for linux because everyone knew rtl8139 simply works and everyone bought these cards [05:58] is there anything special about it? [05:58] now it doesn't matter so much anymore because of onboard gigabit cards in every pc [05:59] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:01] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-120-234-52.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: "Leaving" [06:01] is always the unholy ndiswrapper if you really really wants to that card [06:02] ohh no, i will not use ndiswrapper [06:02] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:02] there is something weird [06:02] here (Greece) a rtl8139 card costs 3-5 euros and a gigabit one costs 7-9 euros [06:02] so i would buy another card instead of messing with ndiswrapper [06:03] webbi: you could simply add an network alias to your NIC [06:03] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82.38.88.58) joined ##slackware. [06:03] untill you get a real one [06:03] those who are interested, please read this and tell me what this people talk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/156496 [06:03] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:03] slak, ohh no, i buy a new one tomorrow, and that's all [06:03] that link is so weird [06:04] they said that updated the card? [06:04] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [06:04] webbi: people are dont see that word after ".net/" .. its kinda blacklisted [06:05] oh [06:06] http://pastebin.com/m695b85e2 [06:06] please read that... its so weird or im an asshole [06:06] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [06:08] webbi: its weird why the wake on lan should mess with the card's autodetection [06:08] yes [06:08] so weird [06:08] but windows work in mysterious ways [06:10] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:10] it's babylonian msgic [06:10] magic [06:10] Lord_Khelben: ndiswrapper is for shoving windows drivers into linux kernelspace [06:11] maybe that whole wake on lan thing reconfigures that micrcontroler on the card so it uses it to watch for the magic packet but leaves the card in a unknow state for linux [06:11] not necessarily wireless drivesr [06:11] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [06:11] Nick change: Quiznos -> PurpleSmurf [06:12] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos [06:14] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:15] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. 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[06:31] Breakfast > http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Boissons/xcache4.gif [06:31] hihi [06:31] just thought I'd look at some old ones [06:31] slackytude, yes transparent urxvt [06:31] fredoslack, you have a unhealthy thing with smileys [06:31] dive, right, hard to tell [06:31] lool yes [06:31] =) [06:32] slackytude, lol exactly [06:32] dive, anyway, nice picture [06:32] missyjane, fredoslack :P [06:32] Hi missyjane :) [06:32] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:33] vald0r (n=matt@stjhnf0131w-142162013032.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:33] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [06:33] mmm I like this one: http://omploader.org/vMjM2dA [06:34] think I will keep that for a while [06:34] beautiful, these birds [06:34] With the sun [06:34] dive, is it your desktop ? [06:34] yes [06:35] dive, slackware ? [06:35] yes [06:35] with fluxboc [06:35] x [06:35] ok [06:35] dive, slackware-current ? <3 [06:35] 12.2 [06:35] dive, bye [06:35] :p [06:35] pffff [06:35] lol [06:36] I have current on my other box :P [06:36] well on one [06:36] 2 @ 12.2 1@ -curren [06:38] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:41] dive, i'm going to install slackware [06:41] , and bye bye Windows [06:41] 320 Euros :( [06:42] you will probably save money with linux. [06:42] 320 euros? [06:42] fredoslack, what? you paid 320 euros for windose? O_o [06:42] and have a real working system [06:42] i had yes :( [06:42] yeah, because you can't run any expensive software with it ^-^ [06:42] fredoslack, remind to never let you manage my finaces [06:42] Action: slava_dp has never spent any money on software, even on windose O_o [06:43] i has windows cleaned every 2 weeks [06:43] fredoslack, is that vista ultimate or what? [06:43] well it is possible to get by with foss. Depends on your needs. [06:43] even on windows [06:44] 60 Marlboro [06:44] :( [06:44] slackboy, Premium [06:44] oy [06:44] slackytude * sorry [06:44] slackboy, you smell of old people [06:44] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE62CB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:44] dive, I fart in your direction [06:44] well, cat got your tongue slackboy ? [06:45] ha! [06:45] see, he's harmless most of the time ;-) [06:46] lol i fart in your general direction [06:46] geez [06:46] your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries [06:48] "hamster?!" [06:48] xD [06:49] dive kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Be nice to old people dive! [06:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:49] mmm [06:49] dive kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: and to hamsters too! [06:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:50] D:... [06:50] ok ok [06:50] Many updates > ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [06:50] but still not KDE 4.3 [06:50] :( [06:51] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) got netsplit. [06:51] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got netsplit. [06:51] feinoM (n=feinom@svale.hia.no) got netsplit. [06:51] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit. [06:51] snewp (i=slacker@unaffiliated/snewp) got netsplit. [06:51] acidchild (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) got netsplit. [06:51] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) got netsplit. [06:51] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) got netsplit. [06:51] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) got netsplit. [06:51] poofo (i=poof@195.226.161.149) got netsplit. [06:51] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) got netsplit. [06:51] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) got netsplit. [06:51] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) got netsplit. 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[06:53] fredoslack, yes but xfce 4.6.1 :-) [06:53] man, niven is going down more often than a $2 hooker [06:53] missyjane, he is. its just that many people fail at tab completion when they want to get my nick [06:53] 4.6.1 <3 a french man i think [06:54] the developer [06:54] anyone who run sxe 7.8 ? [06:54] fredoslack, still good [06:54] fredoslack, ;) [06:54] Olivier Fourdan [06:54] :) [06:55] fredoslack, but I will probably keep fluxbox on here and just look at kde 4 when I'm bored [06:55] ok [06:56] icke (n=icke@p4FD89AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:56] dive, and E17 :) [06:56] very fun [06:56] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:56] hmm maybe... never tried e17 yet [06:56] dive, its worth a try [06:56] anybody got some irssi tutorial/guide [06:57] dive >> http://slacke17.sourceforge.net/ [06:57] only 1 package required [06:57] slackytude, you read the irssi site? [06:57] a big package hihi [06:57] dive, nope [06:57] fredoslack: KDE 4.3 will not be in 13.0 [06:57] alienBOB, ok :'( [06:57] slackytude, a lot of things can be found in faqs and quickstart guide [06:58] alienBOB, i will waiting for kde 4.3 in testing hihi [06:58] slackytude, if you need help with scripts or themes I might be able to help [06:58] I will give it a try, cant be worse than the java stuff [06:58] slackytude (n=slackytu@p4FD89AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Java user signed off" [06:58] Nick change: icke -> slackytude [06:58] oops [06:58] ah [06:58] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:59] slackytude, so you never used irssi? [06:59] Action: fredoslack prefer xchat [06:59] miaouu :p [06:59] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:00] slackytude, the great thing about irssi is it works very well over ssh [07:00] windows's release as got smileys lol [07:00] ugh [07:05] that is a _big_ package [07:05] yes hi hi [07:05] but you make a cp /etc/x11/xinit/xinit.e > xinit [07:05] and i works [07:05] it [07:06] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@63.99.218.194) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:06] no dependances [07:06] NqqmNet (n=bambam@87.120.157.27) left irc: "Leaving" [07:06] I usually symlink rather than cp [07:07] I will try i on desktop box I think [07:07] sounds like it would too heavy for this puny laptop [07:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) joined ##slackware. [07:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Wiren- (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [07:16] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [07:19] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:22] webbi (n=webi@190.247.202.227) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Lord_Khelben: hope you still there [07:23] well it looks nice - very flashy - but is all that extra space warranted I have to ask? [07:23] xfce ~= 20MB I think [07:23] not sure about KDE [07:24] as I said its worth trying out [07:24] of course its been a few years since I tried e17 [07:24] but its nice [07:24] slackytude: im here again [07:24] webbi: wb [07:24] slackytude: i was going to sleep and then remember that i have a new network card [07:24] heh [07:25] slackytude: i just installed it, and it does not work [07:25] slackytude: it's rtl8139d too, BUT!! [07:25] slackytude: i do lspci and it says: "Non-VGA.... Realtek Controller.. blah blah" [07:25] slackytude: so, it recognize all info about the card except that it says NonVga and not Ethernet Controller [07:25] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:26] Zosma (n=jorrit@goudrenet.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) left irc: "Kernel update" [07:26] webbi: still crap [07:26] strange [07:26] yes [07:26] but it's better than before [07:27] here are 8 30 am and i didnt sleep [07:27] NqqmNet (n=bambam@87.120.157.27) joined ##slackware. [07:27] so i just think that maybe someone can tell me something to have nice dreams [07:27] any idea? [07:27] try other pci slot [07:27] horlicks? [07:27] webbi: go to sleep [07:27] webbi: its not worth it [07:28] yes, better off diagnosing things when you are awake [07:28] myself im sleeping [07:28] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [07:28] good night.. err morning ppl :D [07:28] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [07:29] wait!!!! wait!!!!!!!!!!! [07:29] irssi aint that bad [07:29] it's working!!!!!!!!!! [07:29] ahahahahaha [07:29] i did nothing!! [07:29] how do I scroll up, tho? [07:29] pageup/down [07:29] i just rm /etc/udev/rules.d/75-net.... reboot, and it's working [07:29] lspci show correct info and i have both eth! [07:30] :) [07:30] G4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [07:30] dive: ahh too easy [07:30] webbi: hrm [07:31] webbi: would be interessting to see if it works with the old as well [07:31] slackytude: yes.... but right now im going to sleep like a baby [07:31] i will sleep 3 hours thoug [07:31] but anyway [07:31] im happy [07:32] not so happy, because i really want to know what happen [07:32] and btw, it's a rtl8139D so, they should work fine, except some revisions that may fail [07:32] if you add/change network card then the persistent net rules need updating [07:33] and udev restarted [07:33] webbi: well, good night ^- [07:33] dive: it's supposed to be done when turnon pc [07:33] dive: except that the rules file was created so nethelper.sh does nothing [07:33] ? [07:34] i just rebooted and it works [07:34] great [07:34] I think if there is a rules file there it won't be updated automatically afaik anyway [07:34] yes... that's true, i just checked nethelper.sh [07:35] when yu rm'd it it made udev add a new one [07:35] does irssi work nicely with screen? [07:35] i needed to manually delete it or force it [07:35] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:35] great [07:35] and restarting udev should do that - no need to reboot [07:35] well... im happy.... thanks anyway for the help, time and patience guys! [07:35] dive: yes i know, but you know... sometimes you think that a reboot will solve the problem [07:35] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-167-17.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] dive: internally you know that it will do nothing, but you just think that it may correct a problem [07:36] slackytude, screen + irssi rocks :-) [07:36] right [07:36] i will go to sleep now [07:36] brb [07:36] good night webbi [07:36] bye and thanks again! [07:36] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "leaving" [07:36] webbi (n=webi@190.247.202.227) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:37] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:37] <3 Off the wall [07:39] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:40] Nimor (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0412.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:40] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.60.185) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:42] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-166.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:42] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-166.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:42] wow my ghost was on for 1h 33min :) it seems that freenode doesn't ping [07:43] i forgot to hello everyone [07:44] hello [07:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [07:45] LifeForce4 (n=LF4@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [07:45] if you put ls into google, it will show all files on the internet [07:46] :) [07:46] slackytude, what about reboot or shutdown ? [07:47] illuminati (n=mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:47] DeeeeP: it has to have options and now ;) [07:47] illuminati (n=mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:47] DeeeeP: oh noes! [07:47] DeeeeP: dont reboot the interwebz! [07:48] hahaha this reminds me IT crowd tv series "don't ever put google in google" [07:48] hehe, yeah [07:48] slackytude: what about ls -a? 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[07:56] i cant ... my monitor cant take no more hits :) [07:57] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:58] NqqmNet (n=bambam@87.120.157.27) joined ##slackware. [08:00] LifeForce4 (n=LF4@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "leaving" [08:00] DeeeeP: Dont in the yellow snow!! [08:01] Nick change: DeeeeP -> YellowDeep [08:02] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [08:02] zut [08:02] i'm deconected lol [08:02] too many smileys [08:03] :( [08:03] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [08:03] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:03] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:07] pupit1 (n=pupit@93.86.1.249) left irc: Connection timed out [08:08] wsp4th (n=wperry@c-75-66-183-45.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:08] How do I export in bash something permanently? [08:08] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.195) joined ##slackware. [08:08] shik4nt4z4: put it in /etc/profile [08:08] if you want it to be there every time you logon put it in .bash_profile [08:09] hm more correct answer. if you want it just for your user put it in .bash_profile like mancha said. if you want it for all users put it in /etc/profile [08:10] OK. Thank you! [08:10] also have in mind that profile files are sourced only for login shells so if you want it to be run on every interactive shell (ie xterm) you must put it on .bashrc [08:10] init[5] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [08:10] or put it in profile and source profile from .bashrc [08:11] don't touch etc [08:11] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:11] all in owner directory :} [08:12] fredoslack: I have no .bashrc . How do I get it? [08:12] slack is a jewel <3 [08:12] grazymax (n=grazymax@host215-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:12] shik4nt4z4: "touch ~/.bashrc" [08:12] shik4nt4z4, It is necessary to create it [08:12] if it don't exist [08:12] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:13] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [08:13] Thanks! [08:13] mkdir [08:14] always in home <3 [08:14] vinegaroon (n=sam@202.180.115.72) joined ##slackware. [08:17] init[5] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [08:18] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-224-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] hi all [08:19] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [08:20] heret|c (n=heretic@c-68-32-70-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] grazymax: Hello! [08:21] fredoslack: So is it ok if just make a copy of the /etc/profile and modify it? [08:22] init[4] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [08:23] fredoslack: I mean cp /etc/profile ~user/.bashrc; vim .bashrc [08:23] shik4nt4z4, yes perfect :) [08:24] i think that the best way is a copy [08:24] be sure thats what you want, there's a reason logoin shells != interactive shells [08:25] I, too, wouldn't copy the entire thing. just add your own customizations to ~/.bashrc [08:25] mancha: Well I use a login shell. So I think it is ok to use .bashrc [08:26] huh? [08:27] OK. I got it. [08:27] Thank you again. [08:28] shik4nt4z4, i prefer write everything in my home [08:28] vinegaroon (n=sam@202.180.115.72) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:28] i prefer don't touch etc [08:28] when i have a problem [08:29] i delete a user [08:29] and create a new [08:29] Do I need to do a restart after editing ~user/.bashrc ? [08:29] It doesn't work. [08:29] shik4nt4z4, probably :) [08:30] nah [08:30] hardly ever you have to restart or reboot a linux machine [08:30] log out and in again [08:31] slackytude: :-) Thank you! [08:31] sometimes not even after kernel upgrades these days [08:31] also, ~user ? [08:31] its ~/.bashrc [08:31] Good Morning !! [08:31] mancha: not after a kernel upgrade? [08:32] sometimes not [08:32] kspline [08:32] example? [08:32] slackytude: Not /home/profile/.bashrc but /home/.bashrc ? [08:32] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:32] eh, not kspline [08:32] shik4nt4z4: probably /home/$user/.bashrc [08:32] thrice, google ksplice. read all about it [08:32] shik4nt4z4: your home, /home/USER/.bashrc [08:33] ah yes, ksplice [08:33] mancha: I have. it's not in the kernel natively, however [08:33] the /home/user part is shortend to ~, that is to say ~ = your home [08:33] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:34] And one more question, is it possible to logout without stopping applications? [08:34] screen 'em [08:34] shik4nt4z4: yes, screen, nohup, setsid [08:34] like setsid APP, or nohup APP [08:34] or screen FTW [08:35] What about already running applications? [08:37] shik4nt4z4: disown [08:37] I am a little going to sleep [08:37] GN > http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Endormi/0004.gif [08:37] hi hi [08:37] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [08:38] \o/ [08:38] slackytude: Does disown have a man page or something? man disown does not work. [08:38] cant paste into irssi, google disown and try help disown [08:39] slackytude: OK. help disown gives something. Thank you. [08:39] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [08:40] think its disown -h [08:40] not really sure [08:41] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:41] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:41] I have tryed that: -bash: disown: current: no such job [08:41] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) joined ##slackware. [08:42] slackytude: Follows a funny question, after loging back, how do I get back my apps? [08:43] with disown? heh, I have no clue. you really want screen for that [08:43] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:44] disown -h child returns "HAHAHAHA sucker!" [08:46] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. 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[09:33] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:34] y0 Camarade_Tux [09:35] slackytude: how's it going? [09:35] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) joined ##slackware. [09:35] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:36] Camarade_Tux: alrite, I guess. but Ive been moved to aa different desk. replacing someone for 3 weeks [09:36] I have no clue, coffee machine is miles away and no windows [09:36] :D [09:36] Camarade_Tux: how are you? [09:36] was about to ask if your job was better :p [09:36] slackytude: fine, slacking :) [09:37] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) got netsplit. [09:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431640.home.otenet.gr) got netsplit. [09:37] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) got netsplit. [09:37] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) got netsplit. 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[09:39] the reason is that I failed to catch the bus, that the other bus was stopped because of a market in the middle of a street, that I missed the metro, that I missed the tramway, that I missed the bus and that I missed my train [09:39] by a few seconds only each time [09:40] Camarade_Tux: heh, I know that story. happens to me as well, often enough [09:40] Camarade_Tux: the cruel fate of students everywhere [09:40] ='( [09:40] y'all should move to nyc, more stuff to catch [09:40] or quit doin so much stuff [09:40] Camarade_Tux: well, you wanted to visit the gym anyway [09:40] I mean, why do they put a market in the middle of a street when there is a special place for that 20 meters farther ? [09:40] *further ? [09:41] slackytude: I sweat so much it wet my hair and I have tons of hair [09:41] and I'm in Paris right now, everything's fine wrt public transports [09:41] Camarade_Tux: your hair is related to gym visits, how? 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[09:43] morning [09:43] morning acidchild [09:43] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:43] Camarade_Tux: yeah, but its a one time thing. [09:44] y0 acidchild [09:44] how goes? [09:45] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [09:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431640.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:45] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:45] mgs`` (n=mgs@testa.saura.us) joined ##slackware. [09:45] natural_mind (n=vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] Ive been moved to a windowless office without a clue what to do for next 3 weeks [09:45] you could open an account in a sperm bank [09:45] *sniff* [09:45] Action: Camarade_Tux sends playboys to slackytude [09:46] pprkut_ (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [09:46] okay, so this is not obviously a port forwarding issue, because I have checked & rechecked IPs. turned firewalls off or DMZ on. Bypassed router and turned modem firewall off. No IPtables are set. I still can't get incoming torrent connections (on any client) or linux OS [09:46] However, I CAN get incoming connections in windows. [09:47] Raf (n=Raf@203.88.90.218) left irc: "Leaving" [09:47] Maybe I'm paranoid but sometimes i think my ISP is nutcupping windoze [09:47] meaning what? [09:48] but my router is linux [09:48] slackytude: lol [09:48] but I'm almost sure it's because you have upnp on windows [09:48] Chakravanti what does "nutcup winder" mean? [09:48] Chakravanti: if you really want to, you could disable upnp on windows and check [09:48] acidchil1 (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] i've tried with and without uPnP [09:49] Chakravanti, ports the same on both systems? [09:49] yes [09:49] _Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] how do you test for the incoming connections ? [09:50] hmmmm, weird one [09:50] acidchild: no fun [09:50] Lord_Khelben, I tried getting him to do a netcat server and he's tried transmission's port checker [09:50] ah ok [09:50] as well as deluge [09:50] azureus [09:50] what happend with the netcat server? [09:50] utorrent wined [09:51] slackytude, I couldn't get telnet to connect to it via the port he used at all [09:51] why would you do that? :/ [09:51] or netcat (I used telnet for the status messages) [09:51] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [09:51] acidchil1, because telnet offers nicer status messages for being connected and such [09:51] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) got netsplit. [09:51] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) got netsplit. [09:51] init[4] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) got netsplit. [09:51] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) got netsplit. [09:51] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. [09:51] noisesinmyhead (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) got netsplit. [09:51] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit. [09:51] rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) got netsplit. [09:51] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) got netsplit. [09:51] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) got netsplit. 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[09:52] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-80-17-213.owb.bellsouth.net) got netsplit. [09:53] Perhaps port forwarding and DMZ are broken but uPnP works [09:53] but it's driving me nuts [09:53] I've tried uPnP [09:53] what router do you have ? [09:53] a friend of mine has a router that just doesn't forward [09:53] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:53] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) returned to ##slackware. [09:53] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) returned to ##slackware. [09:53] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-80-17-213.owb.bellsouth.net) returned to ##slackware. [09:53] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) returned to ##slackware. [09:53] snewp (i=slacker@unaffiliated/snewp) returned to ##slackware. [09:53] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [09:53] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) returned to ##slackware. [09:53] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) returned to ##slackware. 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[09:53] without success [09:53] Chakravanti, uPnP doesn't always conform to standards [09:53] Linksyswrt54gl [09:53] good one [09:53] Action: NthDegree has a broken uPnP on his router XD [09:53] Open Source linux software [09:54] but it works in windows [09:54] http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WRT54GL/Azureus.htm have you checked this ? [09:54] i get incoming connections in windows [09:54] port forwarding instructions [09:55] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2" [09:55] and I thought my router was bad :| [09:55] does wrt54gl log blocked connections ? if yes try the port checker of transmission/whatever [09:55] okay [09:55] i don't use a static IP [09:55] and immediately go to the router's log and check [09:56] if it block it then its port forwarding [09:56] but that shouldn't prevent this from working [09:56] if you don't use static ip then how do you port forward ? [09:56] ricardo (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) left irc: Connection reset by peer [09:56] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) returned to ##slackware. [09:56] my modem does that too but i can't figure out how to find the log file onit [09:56] i just check to make sure the IPs are correct [09:56] after DHCP has chosen an IP [09:57] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) got lost in the net-split. [09:57] I've been told this should work [09:57] you can put your ethernet card's mac in the router [09:57] so that it gives you the same ip every time but in the box you will still use dhcp [09:57] so you don't lose anything [09:57] or look at the info in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [09:58] acidchild (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) got lost in the net-split. [09:58] since it makes setting up a static IP easy [09:58] and you will always have the same ip. if the dhcp pool on the router is for example 1 to 32 you set your mac for ip 10 for example [09:58] so that another box doesn't happen to get your ip [09:59] (assuming you have less than 10 boxes on the router) [09:59] incoming log says nothing [09:59] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:59] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) joined ##slackware. [09:59] on router [09:59] check the log settings. maybe it isn't setup to log these stuff [10:00] hm this is only router right ? you have a separate modem connectiing to this router ? [10:00] no log settings aailable [10:00] available [10:00] yes [10:00] it has logs too [10:01] have you tried connecting the modem directly to your box ? in that way you won't need port forwarding [10:01] temporarily ofcourse so that you can test if the router causes the problem [10:02] basically if i was right then windows shouldn't work too, so it must be some other thing [10:03] yes i have [10:03] uva (i=bno@118-160-165-119.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] modem has a firewall too [10:03] punker (i=1000@unaffiliated/punker) joined ##slackware. [10:03] but i have turned that off to no avail [10:03] Hello there [10:03] hello punker [10:04] i cant find the logs on the modem though [10:04] maybe the modem's firewall drop the packets but then it would drop them in windows too [10:04] ricardo (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) left irc: Connection reset by peer [10:04] init[4] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:05] if you directly connected the modem to your box bypassing the router that way and the problem still occurs then it should be the modem's fault [10:05] (assuming that you don't run any firewall in the linux box as you said) [10:05] correct [10:06] but it works in windows [10:06] Could anyone please help me with my script? I'm not sure it it would work properly 'cause I cannot test it on my computer. http://pastebin.org/6180 [10:06] of course, i never messed with any modem settings then [10:06] there many people with great knowledge of networking here so you might want to listen to their opinions [10:06] so it might have worked uPnP in windows [10:06] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] meaning both the router AND the modem responded to uPnP in windows [10:07] but more meaningfully, the modem [10:07] disable upnp then and retry in windows [10:07] ricardo (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:07] but for some reason, doesn't respond in windows [10:07] okay [10:07] punker: i don't have an ati card. why do you run the logger to log /var/log/dmesg ? since it is already logged [10:07] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:08] i'll be back in about 10 minutes, i need a smoke and too reboot [10:08] smoke is bad for you :) [10:08] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) joined ##slackware. [10:08] and to add an entery to grub that got cut out when ubuntu upgraded to jj >.> [10:08] Lord_Khelben, Hello. To be honest I didn't at first time. But my friend told me that script was BAD since I needed a logger call to print it on syslog or dmesg [10:08] yeah well [10:08] i'm addicted [10:08] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:09] and can't afford enough weed to effectively substitute while I try to quit [10:10] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:11] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-167.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:12] punker do you run kde ? [10:12] Lord_Khelben, It's a script to run on start up /everything is already set up , placed on /etc/init.d/ and linked with rc3.d/ therefore IMO I think it would suit him even though it's a basic one. 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[10:14] fred (n=fred@slamd64/fred) returned to ##slackware. [10:14] 0-o [10:14] why do people keep d/cing an r/j? [10:14] Thems a lot of people [10:15] Chakravanti, maybe ls -l | grep ^d ? [10:15] punker: this script sets the fan and then prints the temp of the card ? [10:15] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:15] Chakravanti: find . -type d or ls -l |grep /$ and many other ways [10:16] Lord_Khelben, yes and maybe it should be removed also. I didn't notice [10:16] man said ls -d should work [10:16] but it returns only a . [10:17] no -d switch doesn't descent in the dir [10:17] ls -l /usr/bin will show every file in /usr/bin [10:17] ls -ld /usr/bin will print the bin dir as if you ran ls -l /usr |grep bin [10:19] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:219) got lost in the net-split. [10:19] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:19] Maybe I should add something like [if command was OK then echo "Done"] But I have no idea tbh [10:19] punker: for the logging part you can run logger $(aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-gettemperature) [10:19] so that it logs the output [10:20] or aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-gettemperature > /tmp/somefile and then logger -f /tmp/somefile [10:20] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:20] although if he runs kde he can use a superkaramba theme or plasmoid like this one http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/ATI+Fan+Control?content=91918 [10:20] and be able to watch temp/fan speed at realtime [10:21] not only after each boot [10:21] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-113-202-113.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] punker: he does he want to do this in the first place ? if i understood correctly this limits the fan speed to 65% [10:22] s/he does/why does/ [10:23] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:23] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [10:23] brb [10:23] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:24] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:24] Lord_Khelben, Yes, he wants that in order to have less temperature I'd guess [10:25] limiting the fan to 65% will result in less noise not less temp. anyway i am not familiary with ati so i may be wrong [10:26] grrr my typos are more than my words [10:26] Might be, I dunno :/ [10:27] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [10:28] Lord_Khelben, Well, I don't know which would be the success output in order to check if the command was ran OK so I think there's no need to log it after all. Thank you very much :-) [10:28] punker: normally if the program returns 0 it was executed successfully but it is not always the case. after running the command you could test like this. [10:28] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [10:29] if [ $? == 0 ]; then echo success; else echo failure; fi [10:29] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] anyone else having problems with the latest upgrade to php 5.2.10? [10:29] I'm getting this error: PHP Warning: PHP Startup: mm_create(0, /var/lib/php/session_mm_cli0) failed, err mm:core: failed to open semaphore file (File exists) in Unknown on line 0 [10:30] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Lord_Khelben, so It depends on the return ID placed on the source code, right? [10:31] one solution is to use session.save_path = "/tmp" in php.ini, but slackware applies a patch using /var/lib/php instead [10:31] yes, depends on the app. most apps conform to this [10:31] Lord_Khelben, OK, I will check it out. Your help was really apreciated :-P thanks for all! [10:31] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:31] punker: i didn't help much actually :) i wish i could be of more help [10:32] Im sure you will. I hope I can some day lol :_) [10:32] jumperboy: have you tried removing the file and start php ? [10:33] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:33] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:34] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:00] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [11:00] oh, nice [11:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:01] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Chakravanti: you were asking about the modem right ? [11:01] yeah [11:01] what does the windows bootmgr have to do ? [11:01] tryign to get back into windows to do some testing [11:01] somehow ubuntu fucked up when i upgraded to jj [11:01] fuck i hate upgrades =p [11:02] why would ubuntu mess with the bootcode of the windows partition [11:02] this channel is slow, a channel with four, only *4* persons, is more active :D [11:02] that's unfortunate; doesn't ubuntu pride themselves on the upgrad-ability? [11:02] idk [11:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [11:03] is the windows partition mountable from linux ? the data is there ? [11:03] yes [11:03] damnit [11:03] thrice`: huh? If I hear problems in regards to ubunut, its about upgrades [11:03] thrice`: its one of the things they mess up [11:03] boot on windows installation cd, get a command prompt, use fixboot, fixmgr [11:03] slackytude: oh, interresting :D [11:03] and restore your bootloader :) [11:03] but then lilo/grub are goners [11:04] slackytude: but you know how to get these ones back ;) [11:04] yeah [11:04] i want to boot through grub [11:04] not windows [11:04] thrice`: aye. usually you put in ubuntu, are pleased that it works without any or only minor hassles, you customise your system, all is fine. then the first update comes and gremlins eat you [11:05] hehehe [11:05] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:05] slackytude: yeah, I've already lost a few friends because of gremlins and ubuntu updates =/ [11:05] Action: slackytude nods [11:05] but otoh they were already dead since they were running ubuntu [11:05] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:05] weren't the gremlins the ones that did mischiefs [11:05] ubuntu is fine if you dont customize it or dont update. doing both invites gremlins [11:05] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:05] the "offsprings" of gizmo [11:05] why can't gimp be a little easier to use? All i want to do is scale an image. I have to wade through tons of menus. WHy am I griping? I just feel like it. I know gimp is bad to the bone but sometimes it is frustrating. I will use xv for scaling. Good ol "xv". Maybe it is very simple to find "scale" in gimp and I am just grumpy right now. Still on my first cup of coffee and trying to wakeup. So there ya go. Like it or lump it. [11:06] convert :) [11:06] it has a manpage ;) [11:06] dtanner: imagemagick's convert or xv [11:06] and I think it's -resize [11:06] yes, use imagemagick :) [11:06] shit [11:06] yeah, convert -resize, see, intuitive :) [11:06] Lord_Khelben: yeah I am using xv right now. a "goto" image app. [11:06] never used convert [11:07] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [11:07] i agree that gimp isn't easy to use, but scale is quite easy it is called "scale image" i think [11:07] dtanner: afaik, in gimp its under image [11:07] convert image.png -resize 50% final.png [11:07] I thought in gimp you had to actually scale the layer itself [11:08] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [11:08] thrice`: scale canvas iirc [11:08] tooly (n=tooly@e178161029.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:08] if you bring in a single-layer image and want to resize it, that is. [11:08] mplayer can maybe do that too :D [11:08] okay im off to try some stuff bbl [11:08] eviljames: huh? [11:08] hey all [11:08] dtanner, on Gimp ; Tools ; Transform Tools [11:08] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "wut" [11:09] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] I am too, though, under the impression that gimp is challenging to use [11:09] yeah , my opinion also [11:10] work with gimp for a few days and it all seems normal [11:10] Action: slackytude goes home [11:10] see ya [11:10] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) left irc: [11:10] o/ [11:11] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [11:11] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:11] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) joined ##slackware. [11:12] yo [11:13] hello dive [11:13] how goes it in yon slacky land? [11:13] i think the resize option is in the right place ( Tools > Transform Tools ). what confuses me , it the Image Menu , that have transform and crop functions , that maybe should also be on the tools menu [11:14] dive the fluxbox screenshot you pasted earlier. what panel is that down ? [11:14] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] that's the slit with bbdock running in it [11:15] ah ok :) [11:15] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:16] YellowDeep: thanks. thanks to everyone else also. I just need to make sure a large group of photos are all 600x600 or less. maybe CLI like convert would be easier to do many files at once. [11:16] also alpha set to 0 [11:16] pistao (n=PISTAO@201-66-217-243.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:17] yarvin (n=yarvin@wsip-98-190-221-99.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:18] dtanner: yeah, cli for that :p [11:18] dtanner: and if you're not sure, file can give you the res [11:18] Lord_Khelben, it's nothing fancy. Doesn't animate or any clever stuff, but it works. [11:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-174-48-78-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.120.11) joined ##slackware. [11:19] hey dtanner [11:19] i had briefly used fluxbox so i remember the slit, but because of the dock's position i thought it was a panel [11:19] brb [11:19] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:19] i used dock/dockapps in wm [11:20] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Camarade_Tux: yeah [11:20] is zenwalk slack based? [11:21] used to be [11:21] is it no longer? [11:21] I thought it still is [11:21] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:21] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:22] erm nice splitting of tenses there [11:22] don't know - I haven't checked it in a while (which is why I say used to be) [11:23] ok - time to head home [11:23] bye bye [11:23] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:23] hell gtl [11:23] hello* [11:23] Action: dtanner goes to the humidor. time for a stogie. [11:24] NqqmNet (n=bambam@87.120.157.27) joined ##slackware. [11:28] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] zaltekk (n=kenneth@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [11:30] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:30] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [11:30] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Hello. I'm having an issue getting my old desktop computer to use the "radeon" driver. It is an ATi Radeon 9500 Pro 128MB(R300 chipset). I don't see any errors in hte Xorg log, but there isn't any picture. If I simply swap to the "vesa" driver, everything works fine. ANy ideas? [11:31] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [11:32] zaltekk: What about refreshrate ? [11:32] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:32] LinuxEA: what about it? [11:32] YO MAFCKA [11:33] zaltekk: Is it the same using both drivers ? [11:33] the tv says "no signal" [11:33] LinuxEA: the _only_ change is the driver. [11:33] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [11:33] zaltekk: I see... [11:33] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:34] insider- (n=insider@adsl-254-235.diodos.auth.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:35] zaltekk: I guess you have looked at /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. [11:35] do you define the resolution in xorg.conf ? [11:35] Lord_Khelben: nope. [11:35] what resolution does the vesa driver run at ? [11:36] http://pastebin.com/d5facef78 [11:36] 1280x1024@85 [11:36] there is the log [11:36] What kind of monitor is it ? [11:37] it is a tv [11:37] Wilblake (n=matheus@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [11:37] ah but 85hz is way too much I think (depends of what kind of tv thiough) [11:38] there's usually a switch to enable tv out. I bet the radeon needs an acpi file poking. [11:38] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [11:38] try defining a resolution in xorg.conf first 1024x768 and if it works then 1280x1024 [11:38] LinuxEA: it works fine @85 with vesa [11:38] http://pastebin.com/m479e83a1 [11:38] that is the xorg.conf [11:38] pistao (n=PISTAO@201-66-217-243.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:39] zaltekk: okay.. forget it than .. Try resolution change.. Otherwise Im into dive 's idea with acpi ... [11:39] sQuEE (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:39] dive: i am using vga.... [11:39] bootstrap is embedded in the bios, right? [11:40] where it says depth 24 under that put Modes "1024x768" [11:40] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [11:40] ah vga out to tv? [11:40] yes [11:40] it doesn't have dviand i don't know where my svideo cable is [11:41] but since it is thedvi out, it shouldn't need any switches for the secondary display [11:41] i'm going to try the mode setting [11:42] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:43] on my old Dell latitue I had to choose to use VGA-out or standard display... I could not use them at the same time. Sry.. not a pro in this area. I wish you all the luck :) [11:43] sz^ (n=sz@a91-154-6-113.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:43] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] the mode setting didn't work [11:44] i think it is actually displaying, buyt the picture seems to be in two colors [11:44] if i move the mouse around i see the KDE 3.5 image in orange for a split second [11:44] does you tv support 24-bit color ? [11:44] and the screen is black [11:45] LinuxEA: it is doing it with "vesa" [11:45] i just s/vesa/radeon and it breaks [11:45] i have an old crt monitor. the nv driver recognises 1280x1024 as max resolution and it works fine. the nvidia driver sees 1600x1200 as max resolution and ofcourse when it tries 1600 nothing works [11:46] pistao (n=PISTAO@201-40-155-106.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:46] that is why i told you to define the mode yourself [11:46] maybe it was the same thing but it wasn't [11:46] Nick change: pistao -> neco [11:46] Nick change: neco -> nheco [11:46] nheco (n=PISTAO@201-40-155-106.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:46] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-stzonphswpxbumry) joined ##slackware. [11:46] nheco_ (n=nheco@201-40-155-106.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Lord_Khelben: okay. but it still doesn't seem to work. now it looks more like the display is corrupted than anything else [11:47] nheco_ (n=nheco@201-40-155-106.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [11:48] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:48] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-65-164.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: "Leaving" [11:48] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [11:48] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:48] any other ideas? [11:49] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [11:50] zaltekk, was that the radeon log you posted up there ^ ? [11:50] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:50] I see it isn't [11:50] zaltekk, so tell it what resolution to use [11:50] nheco (n=nheco@201-40-155-106.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:50] can you post a radeon log please? [11:51] Modes "1280x1024" [11:51] tried it StasiProto [11:51] it works [11:51] i thought i posted the conf and log dive. let me make another one [11:51] StasiProto: X _runs_, but the screen is solid black [11:52] and if i move the mouse enough i see an orange flash of hte outline of a few things on the desktop [11:52] force it to 640x480 for testing then [11:52] zaltekk, right I see the log link [11:52] dive: was it a vesa log? i thought i grabbed the correct one [11:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] no it was redeon log [11:53] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [11:53] you have nvidia, nv, and radeon and vesa? [11:53] oooooohk [11:53] StasiProto: vesa and radeon [11:53] o it's fine zaltekk [11:53] oh two people with problems [11:53] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:54] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [11:54] zaltekk, read the nvidia documentation [11:54] StasiProto: he has radeon :) [11:54] StasiProto: i don't have an nvidia card in this computer. [11:55] parente_ (n=parente@201.88.235.242) joined ##slackware. [11:55] lol [11:58] new firefox is like "Know your Rights!" and im like killall firefox;seamonkey [11:58] hi guys is there any binary in slackware with the name depmod [11:59] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [11:59] and if yes its the part of which pkg [11:59] /sbin/depmod [11:59] zaltekk, one thing you don't have is a default depth option in screen section [11:59] thanks [11:59] bnhashmi: grep sbin/depmod /var/log/packages/* [11:59] DefaultDepth 24 [11:59] /var/log/packages/module-init-tools-3.5-i486-1:sbin/depmod [12:00] for examples [12:00] thanks guys i got it [12:00] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-stzonphswpxbumry) left irc: "Page closed" [12:00] you got it from me [12:00] zaltekk, also you don't have any resolutions defined [12:00] bnhashmi: sure, as long as you understand HOW to get it :) [12:00] hum nice [12:01] zaltekk, set your resolutions and if that doesnt work disable EDID or DDC on the radeon driver [12:01] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:01] also set your monitors mode lines [12:01] zaltekk, you might also want to drop the upper refresh rate to 75 - that number is mentioned a lot in the log [12:02] VertRefresh HorizSync or something [12:02] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-113-202-113.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:02] zaltekk, look at line 716+ [12:02] i have a question why binaries which are in /sbin are not showing when i use which depmod? [12:02] you are not root [12:02] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [12:03] bnhashmi, root only [12:03] sbin isnt in your path [12:03] ooh my God [12:03] yes you are dumb [12:03] wot? [12:03] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] i am not dumb [12:03] actuly i just wakeup [12:03] don't call people dumb just because they are learning [12:03] I suppose you were born knowing it all [12:04] I was ! [12:04] :D [12:04] nah, asking dumb questions is the best way to look smart [12:04] fist i was a windows guy then moved to redhat did rhce and now i am also woking on slackware 12 [12:04] bnhashmi: welcome to slackware :) [12:04] yes [12:05] init[1]: thanks a lot [12:05] Dominian: lies. you weren't born :P [12:05] (we have to forgive Dominian or we get noobfarmed) [12:05] i realy like slackware 12 [12:05] i have a dumb question, how come xterm -fg white -bg black on a Xvnc server says no color black/white [12:05] you are in the best to learn Linux :) [12:05] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:05] yup [12:05] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [12:06] you are 100% right [12:06] btw how did rhce go ?, [12:07] StasiProto: omg, you are dumb [12:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:07] right now i have a issue with my Dell PowerEdge SC 1435 it has 24GB ram and i have to eanble Hugemem Kernel [12:07] i did rhce in june 2007 really redhat has a good testing 6 hours lab [12:07] bnhashmi: you should be running 64-bit on that hardware, and not some hackish PAE kernel [12:07] thrice`, i know i am [12:08] if i used ubuntu i would think i was smart [12:08] i think i should wait for 13 to get slackware 64bit distro [12:08] bnhashmi: you can try out current - for testing it on your server [12:09] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] I would install 13.0rc1 over 12.2 + a PAE kernel [12:09] problem is that i running nagios,nagvis,mysql and cacti and alot of other apps so i have only solution for right now to rebuild kernel [12:09] so the issues you may have can be solved b4 13 is released [12:10] yup i want that [12:10] i messed with the kernel and then rebuild kernel again [12:10] anyone know why nvidia complains endlessly if you have -smp appended to the kernel version [12:11] StasiProto: i have no issues here , i using nvidia driver (binary) [12:11] StasiProto: it doesn't here. [12:11] when i try to rebuild its washs my old modules and stay unbootable [12:11] s/i/im [12:11] have you compiled a new kernel [12:11] with the .config from slackware [12:11] StasiProto: yes [12:11] StasiProto: yes [12:11] wow same time [12:11] yup [12:11] i always had to remove the -smp or it wouldnt install [12:12] strange ! [12:12] StasiProto: never experienced that. [12:12] i should remove smp [12:12] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [12:12] ive seen it 5 times since 12.0 came out [12:12] if you compile your own kernel you might want to consider changing local version to something else anyway [12:12] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-driver/ [12:12] StasiProto: odd. [12:12] Action: dive is boring and uses -custom [12:12] if you change the local version do you have to name the /usr/src directories according to that? [12:12] hum [12:12] StasiProto, no [12:13] Greetings everyone. :) [12:13] Action: init[1] uses his host name and date of compile to version string [12:13] fire|bird, hi pal :-) [12:13] yo fire|bird [12:13] hey dive, how's it going? [12:13] y0 init[1], how are you? [12:13] not so bad, how's yourself? [12:13] dive: doing excellent, thank you. [12:13] fire|bird: ,fine busy with seminar and project [12:14] now i am trying to build as a regular user in his ~/ [12:14] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] can some body tell me what is make -j10 [12:15] make for 9 cpu system? [12:15] bnhashmi: have you looked at "make(1)" [12:15] bnhashmi: it's a bad idea on a dual core box :) [12:15] it divies the jobs among 10 processes [12:15] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) joined ##slackware. [12:15] huj [12:15] bnhashmi, 'man make' [12:15] ok [12:15] my friends pc compiled mplayer in like 5 minutes [12:15] hi fire|bird:) how goes it? [12:16] tell me why i should not use make install while installing kernel? [12:16] bnhashmi: why shouldn`t you? [12:16] you have to use make [12:16] i always use make install, bnhashmi [12:16] dive: do i need a default depth? [12:17] make; make modules_install; cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-mykern; cp System.map /boot/;nano -w /etc/lilo.conf;lilo -v [12:17] i usually don't make install the kernal, i copy it /boot/ and edit lilo [12:17] make install alters your lilo.conf too, no? got to be careful of that [12:17] but for slakware howtos for kernel i did not find that command [12:17] if i hook up a 19" lcd monitor to the dvi port it works fine with the radeon driver [12:17] yes, tank-man , make install alters your lilo.conf [12:17] of course one should always check the lilo.conf after make install [12:17] some people prefer to cp the files over, renaming them so that they don't conflict with already install kernels [12:18] that's what I tend to do [12:18] that's what I do too [12:18] yea me to [12:18] omg me too [12:18] *to [12:18] well. i don`t. i trust make install. [12:18] nope too is correct [12:18] make bzlilo [12:18] or something [12:18] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-166.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [12:19] aaa /s/to/too/ huh !! [12:19] really guys here on the channel i see the real opensource guys i am really happy that i got slackware ;) [12:19] bnhashmi: Same in the #debian channel :) IMO [12:19] bnhashmi: HI FIIIVE o/ [12:19] bnhashmi: if you like slackware, we're glad. [12:19] bnhashmi, i use a blendtec on windows cds so i can smoke their remains in a hash pipe [12:19] bnhashmi: however, how do you define 'real opensource guys', exactly? [12:19] Action: init[1] , try to understand the meaning of slackware .. you will understand it better [12:19] zaltekk, it's not always a necesity to use a default depth because the card/driver will usually pick the highest [12:19] offcourese my like 20 plus servers on slack [12:20] brb guys [12:20] taking some food [12:20] you should ask permission [12:20] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [12:20] zaltekk, but I would definitely look at changing that refreshrate upper limit down to 75 [12:20] nheco_ (n=nheco@189.30.199.161) joined ##slackware. [12:20] and test [12:22] i need a real opensource girl [12:22] StasiProto: yea im here . [12:22] ;) [12:22] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8EAE0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] are you bulbous? [12:23] dive: Xorg -configure detted the monior and got the refresh rates from it [12:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [12:23] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [12:24] sgasd (n=efef@host86-149-22-96.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:24] anyone recomend using slackfire as a firewall ? [12:24] StasiProto: ahem, sorry [12:25] i need a real bulbous opensource girl [12:25] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:25] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202.180.115.72) joined ##slackware. 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[12:36] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:36] i am back [12:36] y0 slackytude2 [12:36] y0 fire|bird [12:36] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:37] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:37] slackytude2: how goes? [12:37] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [12:37] icke_ (n=icke@p4FD89AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [12:37] yo fire|bird [12:37] y0 gtl [12:37] fire|bird, oh, besides the work issue Im fine. how about yourself? [12:38] slackytude: doing excellent, thanks. Working on getting wave working. I've got openfire going now, but it won't accept my login. :P [12:38] make -j which type of jobs [12:38] heh, nifty [12:38] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-113-202-113.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] make -j spawns an infinite number of jobs [12:38] you'll definately want to specify a finite number [12:39] for a sever having 4 cpu 24 gb ram [12:39] bnhashmi: i'd say about 5 [12:39] make -j 10 ? [12:39] rule of thumb is number of cpu + 1 [12:39] hum nice [12:40] but really, watch your load average [12:40] and 10 willl overload it? [12:40] if it goes above something like 5, then you're probally not going to see much benefit from having more jobs [12:40] load average: 1.58, 1.40, 1.29 [12:41] with how many jobs? [12:41] that's nothing. [12:41] spook: I thought it was +2.. [12:41] how i can check [12:41] bnhashmi: check what? [12:41] bnhashmi: have you run make -j 10 [12:42] not yet [12:42] so i am asking you techies [12:42] thats why you load average is 1.5 [12:42] i'm talking about the load average, while the jobs are running [12:42] i am runing nagios,nagvis,mysql,cacti on that [12:43] nheco_ (n=nheco@189.30.199.161) left irc: Connection timed out [12:43] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:44] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [12:44] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:45] all nagios,cacti,nagvis and mysql process running [12:45] parente_ (n=parente@201.88.235.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:45] bnhashmi: run "make -j5 &" then wait a minute, then run "uptime" [12:46] tell me what the load average it reports [12:47] Iooo [12:48] load average: 6.45, 3.02, 1.91 [12:48] yeah you're not going to get much benefit from 10 jobs [12:49] so which i exactly use [12:49] make -j5 [12:49] Anyone using tig? [12:50] belstar (n=belstar@ip98-180-223-132.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] i have kernel 2.6.27.7 and want to install 2.6.30.1 [12:50] thanks [12:50] bnhashmi: you can do 10 jobs, using make -j10 but your system probally wont be able to do much else :P [12:50] bnhashmi: I might recommend sticking with 2.6.29.x [12:50] for the time being, at least [12:50] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] >> ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ [12:51] i ahve this linux-2.6.29.3 [12:51] i am using slackware 12.2 [12:51] stick with 29 [12:51] bnhashmi, KDE 3.5 ? [12:51] bnhashmi: why do you want to upgrade to 2.6.30, exactly? [12:52] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.103.82) joined ##slackware. [12:52] no reason just update [12:52] That's a bad reason to update. [12:52] anybody know what cp:cannot stat '/tmp/slackpkg.2Tfay7/PACKAGES.TXT means. I'm trying to use slackpkg to update slack 11 and all of the sudden I get this error. I tried to look it up on internet nothing comes up. [12:52] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-113-202-113.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:52] bnhashmi: you might run into issues. I recommend you stay with 2.6.29 for now. [12:53] belstar: that doesn't exist [12:53] "just because" is NEVER EVER EVER EVER a reason to update a working system [12:53] right [12:53] i am going to install linux-2.6.29.3 [12:53] I put diesal in my car "Just because" [12:53] is this good [12:53] straterra: what do you mean it doesn't exist [12:54] That file doesn't exist [12:54] or you don't have permission to read it [12:54] belstar: i suggest you slackpkg update [12:54] bnhashmi: 2.6.30 introduced several changes that will cause compatibility issues. [12:54] bnhashmi: with nvidia, and many other packages. [12:54] Unless there are fixes you need, don't go updating something. [12:54] I'm guessing that slackpkg was supposed to creat the file [12:54] if it's a desktop for fun i don't see any wrong in trying the latest and greatest [12:54] Do slackpkg update [12:54] Make sure it runs fine. [12:54] dakarn, if it's for testing, no problem. [12:55] hum right according to your suggestion i am sticking with linux-2.6.29.3 [12:55] Don't screw around on a production system. [12:55] ^^^ [12:55] how i can check my kde version [12:55] especially one thats working just fine [12:55] well duh :) [12:55] bnhashmi: you're using 3.5 [12:55] bnhashmi: ls /var/log/packages/*kde* [12:55] if i was hosting a database for say... an isp, i wouldn't do any major system updates unless it was a security patch [12:55] thumbs: its kde 3.5 [12:55] spook: I know. [12:55] thumbs: i've been paying attention :) [12:56] spook: I would like to tell him how to find out for himself. [12:56] NO! there shall be no learning how to do things for oneself in this channel! [12:56] yup its 3.5 [12:56] re hello slackboy [12:56] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:56] slackytude * oups [12:56] spook: :( [12:57] fredoslack: hes a bot. [12:57] spook, tab error lol [12:57] fredoslack: :P [12:57] tab completion fail. :P [12:57] reee fire|bird :) [12:57] hey fredoslack [12:57] spook, sell a man a fish and make a profit, teach a man to fish and lose a valuable client [12:57] i'm playing with blender, its lots of fun [12:57] in current, there is mplayer <3 < [12:57] dive: EXACTLY [12:57] good idea [12:58] well its damn useful [12:58] gmplayer the command-line ;) [12:58] Motoko-chan I'm getting the error when I do the slackpkg update command [12:58] mplayer is the commandline program, gmplayer is the graphical interface [12:58] fredoslack, wb ^-^ [12:59] fire|bird: using irssi? [13:00] Camarade_Tux: yup [13:00] fire|bird: come in ##slackofftopic :p [13:00] slack doesn't like my awesome wm :o [13:00] Camarade_Tux: there, happy. :P [13:00] :) [13:01] is irssi nice ? [13:01] i don't know irssi [13:01] fire|bird, don't do it, it's a trap!! [13:01] i love xchat, because there are 3 smileys [13:01] lool [13:01] fredoslack, irssi = <3 [13:01] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [13:01] irssi > * [13:02] mutt > * [13:02] Yo, people from slackware land! [13:02] I am back! [13:02] :-) [13:02] Action: slackytude waves [13:02] don't break the chain plskthxbai [13:02] wb shik4nt4z4 [13:03] shik4nt4z4: you're back? Oh no. :( [13:03] :P [13:04] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-83-160.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [13:07] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [13:08] lol [13:09] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:09] shik4nt4z4, you can connect again to a process you disowned [13:09] shik4nt4z4, should still be in jobs list [13:09] dive: i think i found the problem [13:09] what was it? [13:10] it is putting the tv to 1920x1200 [13:10] i hooked up a second monitor and changed the resolution to 1920x1080 [13:10] and now it works [13:10] ok nice [13:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [13:10] i am jus trying to figure out how to save this into xorg.conf so that it is reproducable without the extra monitor [13:10] and i'm not quite sure how to force it to not use 1920x1200 [13:11] put the mode in the screen section in the 24 bit depth subsection and put defaultdepth at the start of screen section [13:11] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:11] i tried adding the mode under the 24bit color depth, but it still does that weird color thing [13:11] one sec [13:11] ah, the defaultdepth might fix it [13:12] well it depends on the depth that it is tring to use [13:12] i would assume it is trying 24bit with 1920x1200, failing, and then falling back to something else [13:12] just delete everything except the working one [13:12] slackytude: delete the lower depths? [13:13] not necesary with defaultdepth [13:13] and the correct refreshrate [13:13] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-106-118.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] add 'Defaultdepth 24' under 'Section" Screen"'? [13:14] zaltekk, yes, all but the working one [13:14] zaltekk, that should force it to use only that [13:14] oh 12.2=> xorg, how i dont miss thee [13:15] okay. and then add 'Modes "1920x1080"' to 24bit? [13:15] increase your h and vsync [13:15] increase? it autodetected the ranges correctly [13:15] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-106-118.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:16] it just tries to use a 16:10 resolution rather than a 16:9 resolution [13:16] enough for that resolution? [13:16] yep [13:16] it is in the range [13:18] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) left irc: "Leaving" [13:19] hmm. it still isn't showing up right [13:19] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:19] is there any way i can make kde save it's video configuration to the xorg.conf? [13:19] in case anyone is interested the error I was getting was do to a broken ftp link in the mirrors file [13:19] zaltekk, don't think so [13:19] it worked fine when i changed it from in kde, but it always starts up screwed up [13:20] bbl [13:20] zaltekk, pastebin your new xorg.conf perhaps [13:20] it is the same other than the mode line [13:20] zaltekk, one sec [13:21] do what you did again - hook up the other monitor, set resolution correct, and do xrandr in a console [13:21] and pastebin it please [13:21] after making sure the tv works though [13:22] rek (n=riccardo@95.232.174.184) joined ##slackware. [13:22] can i use only the first iso ? [13:22] Sure why not? [13:22] dive: okay. will do in an hour or so [13:22] gotta get food [13:22] me? [13:22] thanks for the help [13:22] zaltekk, sure [13:22] yw [13:22] alienBOB: i was wondering.... [13:22] belstar: did you uncomment a _working_ Slackware 11.0 mirror from the mirrors file? [13:22] rek: you wont have X. but it will work [13:23] spook: only command line ? [13:23] rek: yes. [13:23] spook: but a lot of software? [13:23] rek: yeah, a bunch, what do you need? [13:24] spook: more than 600mb.... text editor wireless tools python irc ecc [13:24] yeah you'll be fine [13:24] nice...do u have an x ? [13:24] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] what? [13:25] a desktop [13:25] please explain [13:25] a windows manager.... [13:25] rek: maybe our question should be: What do you want to achieve with installing Slackware? [13:25] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202.180.115.72) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:25] maybe alien [13:26] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:26] tell me your experience [13:26] alienBOB: "world domination" ;) [13:26] cool [13:26] rek: what a stupid question [13:26] My experience with what? [13:26] Women? [13:26] alienBOB: your sexual experience with slackware [13:26] ther's no stupid question however.... the one about experience? [13:27] if you want....hw was talking about slack [13:27] You were asking about X to be more precise [13:27] rek: is english your second language? [13:27] yes spook is it so bad? [13:27] quite :/ [13:28] where's the mistake spook? [13:28] Italian IP [13:28] It is not bad at all rek [13:28] rek: all over the place. [13:28] where spook ...i'm so sad now [13:29] you're not communicating your meaning well, and not understanding our meaning well [13:29] lol [13:29] in comparison with my friends....i'm quite ...good [13:30] i want a delorean [13:31] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] i'm trying to communicate dudes [13:31] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:32] who know a server [13:32] for upload big files ? [13:32] what is this, the bad english channel? [13:32] fredoslack: rapidshare [13:32] heh [13:32] spook, thanks youuu [13:33] and sorry for my very bad english :( [13:33] fredoslack: a joke, you're not bad. [13:33] fredoslack: at least you understand what we mean [13:33] yes hihi [13:33] spook, thank you very much, for your answer [13:34] someone want send me a big file [13:34] giuppy (n=giuppy@host159-38-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [13:34] spook i'm trying to communicate [13:34] lagann_ (n=agon@71.233.170.212) left irc: "Leaving" [13:34] fredoslack: use scp [13:34] would installing slackware change the drive arrangement on my bios? [13:34] Chakravanti: no. [13:34] no [13:35] yo [13:35] belstar (n=belstar@ip98-180-223-132.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:35] yoyo [13:35] hoe [13:35] giuppy (n=giuppy@host159-38-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:35] lagann_ (n=agon@71.233.170.212) joined ##slackware. [13:36] no, yo, yoyo, hoe <---Hmm, interesting, sounds like the beginning of a song. :P [13:36] fire|bird: whoa! [13:36] :-) [13:36] lets write a song [13:36] rek: perhaps you should ask different questions, so that people actually find it worthwhile to answer them [13:36] yo, ho [13:36] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [13:37] Which kde version is in current? [13:37] 4.2.4 [13:37] yo, ho, ho and a bottle of rum [13:37] nice :) [13:37] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:38] 4.3 will come very later [13:38] :( [13:38] sniiiif [13:38] 4.3 wont be in slack 13 [13:38] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:38] I haven't tried kde4 much, but wondering if there is the same amount of program's that follow with the standard install? [13:39] plee: can you rephrase that? [13:39] slackytude: Why's all the rum gone?? [13:39] as with kde3 :) hehe [13:39] agentc0re, I accidentialy the whole thing [13:39] agentc0re|work: its all in my hip flask [13:39] yo agentc0re|work [13:39] plee: yes. [13:39] fire|bird: sup. [13:40] agentc0re, watched that flick [13:40] spook, ok :) [13:40] slackytude: but it was okay, because you immediately, right? [13:40] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] spook: lol. That just reminded me of that PotC Remix of, "Why's all the rum gone?". [13:40] spook, aye! [13:40] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [13:40] i accidentially the fleshlight. the whole things [13:41] i come here since 1 month [13:41] Raf (n=Raf@203.88.90.218) joined ##slackware. [13:41] i don't still have seen Patrick :( [13:41] slackytude: Thank you for the message at 20:10 . [13:41] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:41] shik4nt4z4, ^-^ [13:41] fredoslack: oh you missed him a few hours ago [13:41] fredoslack: You just aren't around when he's here [13:41] spook, hannnn [13:41] he was in here looking for you [13:41] nice, sneakers on tv tomorrow night :) An norwegian channel :) [13:41] fredoslack, han shoot first! [13:41] next year is 2010 [13:41] plee, sneakers is nice [13:42] slackytude, really, did is come here ? [13:42] today [13:42] it is :) [13:42] plee, no more secrets [13:42] hehe [13:42] And the secret black box :) [13:42] I dig the blind dude [13:43] it really trips me out that its 2009 sometimes [13:43] yeah, he's my favorite too [13:44] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [13:47] agentc0re, the movie was quite good [13:48] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:49] spook: next thing you know you'll be 50 [13:49] then you are dead [13:49] whoooosh! [13:49] what was that? [13:49] that was you life, mate [13:49] do I get another one? [13:49] sorry, mate [13:50] slackytude: whoa, I was waiting for you to get kicked for flood. :P [13:50] spook, thank you, for rapidshare [13:50] it's work nice [13:50] it works [13:51] christian (i=590ef2c5@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [13:51] hello [13:51] hello [13:51] hello [13:51] hello [13:51] hello [13:51] C-C-C-Combo Breaker [13:52] slackytude: DANG YOU, YOU BROKE IT. :P [13:52] falcon punch [13:52] hehe [13:53] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-2-151.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) left irc: [13:55] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] hello [13:55] hello [13:55] hello [13:55] hello [13:55] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) joined ##slackware. [13:55] not all people have a desktop [13:55] wasnt me [13:56] slackytude: nope, you didn't do it this time. [13:56] Action: slackytude nods [13:56] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:56] I is innocent [13:56] until proven guilty [13:56] but in this case, you're innocent [13:56] I is innocent!!11 [13:57] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:57] NO HELLO, NO COMBOS, NO FALCON PUNCH, FOX ONLY, [13:57] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:57] FIINNNNAAALLLL DESTINAAAATION [13:58] spook: NO CAPS PLEAE. KTHXBAI [13:58] PLEASE [13:58] fox [13:59] red fox? [13:59] who was playing killer instinct? :P [13:59] star fox [13:59] y0 Necos [13:59] errr, final destination comics, ypu [13:59] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [14:00] you're doing it all wrong. no art, no copy pasta, no final destination..... 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[14:52] my brother (who is a once-quite-techie-now-without-his-own-opinion guy) is running win7 [14:52] now he can't use flash in ie :D [14:52] works worse than in linux apparently :p [14:54] blah, I'm about to go back to using nspluginwrapper on 64-bit [14:54] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:55] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [14:55] anyone have dd-wrt with vpn ? [14:55] youtube works, simple animation stuff works (including the few flash games I play) [14:55] (this is with the 64-bit native plugin) [14:56] Is there something special I have to do to get the VGA=XXX thing in lilo to work, if I have anything other then "VGA=Normal" i get undefined video mode number on startup [14:56] ...but *any* other video besides youtube causes the browser to die [14:57] lolwut: 2 things: the video modes are usually listed in hex, don't forget the 0x in front when you put it in lilo.conf [14:57] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [14:57] lolwut: the other thing is, you can use "vga=ask" to have it prompt you, so you can try out different modes (and I think maybe "vga=scan" will make the kernel actually probe the card for video modes, never used it myself though) [14:58] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.103.82) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:58] urchlay, i tried the second one and only got a few super low options like 80x30 and 80x25 or something like that [14:59] y0 infuriated|gas [14:59] I mean Urchlay [14:59] :) [15:00] Urchlay, so rather then 795 for example I would put in 0x31b? 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[15:06] greetings Lord_Khelben [15:06] :-) [15:07] hello fire|bird, shik4nt4z4 [15:07] fire|bird: you are a phoenix or there are other firebirds too ? [15:07] i haven't asked :P [15:07] OK. That's it for today. See you tomorow. [15:07] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [15:08] Lord_Khelben: haha, fire|bird as in phoenix, yes. I don't believe there are other firebirds. [15:08] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:08] ooh another one :P [15:08] Lord_Khelben: speaking of which, here I am as well. :D [15:09] hi techies waiting for answer ;) [15:09] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] bnhashmi: what did you ask ? [15:09] Lord_Khelben: 14:04 « bnhashmi» hi can some body guide me for mkrescue i need a example for iso so i can burn on disk [15:10] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:10] i need example for mkrescue i want to make a iso image so i can write on cd my root device is sda2 [15:12] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [15:13] tooly (n=tooly@e178161029.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [15:15] lolwut: I believe the 795 already is hex. 0x795 [15:15] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:15] hey analytical|haste [15:15] er, fire|bird [15:15] Nick change: GATT0 -> G4tt0 [15:15] urchlay, k I'll try that [15:16] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] l0lwut: honestly, framebuffer's one of those things that isn't worth the trouble to get working, if it doesn't Just Work... I mean, you're probably going to spend most or all your time in X anyway, right? [15:17] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:17] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:17] if you're like me, the console is only there for boot messages, logging in and typing "startx", or upgrading X-related packages (better to do that when X isn't running) [15:18] bnhashmi: have you tried mkrescue --iso --size HD --root /dev/sda2 ? [15:18] the manpage is really easy [15:18] urchlay, lol yeah, you have a good point, I just feel like a failure because I have been messing around withit for a while and gotten no where lol [15:18] lol analytical|haste [15:18] hum thanks [15:18] i got it [15:19] heh, I just rolled the nick-generator dice and got "covertly|unknowingly" [15:20] Urchlay: yeah 795 is what I've used and I just use vga=795. [15:20] what is Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed when writing lilo [15:21] agentc0re|work: phoenix wasn't available, so I added a ^ :P [15:21] bnhashmi: nothing to be concerned about, unless your BIOS and/or drive is *really* old [15:22] bnhashmi, add the line 'lba32' somewhere at the top of lilo.conf [15:22] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] compartment|uncleared [15:22] e|nough [15:23] never|enough [15:23] urchlay, Thank you for the help [15:24] lolwut: it's working now? [15:24] no [15:24] I gave up lol [15:24] lolwut: after adding it to lilo.conf, you ran lilo as root? [15:24] yeah [15:24] right [15:24] lolwut: and what happens? [15:24] I get the same error [15:24] when I boot [15:25] thanks error is removed [15:25] that wasn't an error [15:25] well not error [15:25] lolwut: and you used vga=795? [15:25] but the same message on boot [15:25] yes [15:25] and ive tried the hex version [15:25] lolwut: Well, that's what I've used and it worked fine for me. [15:26] lolwut: does it work with any other ones? [15:26] no [15:26] the only one it works with is vga=normal [15:26] what type of video card is this? [15:26] 7950 gt [15:26] nvidia [15:26] zsejk (n=zsejk@213.208.229.47) left irc: "Leaving" [15:26] vga=ask shows any modes ? [15:26] error when i run mkrescue Running /sbin/lilo ... [15:26] Warning: Ignoring entry 'boot' [15:26] Fatal: '/dev/root' is not a whole disk device [15:26] Channel flood from bnhashmi -- kicking [15:26] LILO version 22.8 failure [15:26] bnhashmi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:27] :) [15:27] lolwut: if you use vga=ask, do any of those modes work if you enter one after it gives a list of them? [15:27] no [15:27] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7457C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:28] it only lists 80x20 - 80x40 or something like that [15:28] Well lolwut, this is no (lol) laughing matter and it leaves you asking "wut the heck is going on?" :P (sorry, couldn't resist) [15:28] lol [15:28] yeah, at first i thought VESA wasnt enabled in my kernel for some reason but I checked and it was and google has failed me [15:29] and nvidiafb is also enabled in the kernel? [15:29] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:29] leme check [15:29] usually this means that either the card doesn't support vesa modes (only old cards in the 4mb memory times) or the vesafb isn't enbaled in the kernel [15:29] think he noticed he has been kicked [15:29] ? [15:29] i can't think any reason [15:29] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@202.174.145.186) joined ##slackware. [15:29] :p [15:30] Camarade_Tux: he does now. :D [15:30] phoenix^: LOL.. name changing king [15:30] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:30] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [15:30] agentc0re|work: \o/ I AM THE KING. [15:30] phoenix^: your name is elvis ? [15:30] lolwut: I don't think those cards have a compliant VESA BIOS. You could try the nvidia framebuffer, but it won't cooperate with the nvidia binary X drivers (so you can have either framebuffer, or else 3D in X, but not both) [15:30] Yea but that's also like being the king of shit... Not something i think you want to brag about :P heh heh heh [15:30] Lord_Khelben: DANGIT, how'd you know. WHO TOLD HIM? [15:31] agentc0re|work: hahahahahaha [15:31] Urchlay: wow i didn't know cards still exist that aren't compliant with vesa [15:31] Lord_Khelben: lot of new cards don't support VESA (or else, they don't implement it correctly, so it won't work with a generic VESA driver) [15:31] I am the king of shit! I rule all bodaggits! [15:31] that is why i mentioned older cards with 4 mb memory [15:31] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@190.157.41.251) joined ##slackware. [15:31] urchlay, *sigh* well at least I now know why its not working lol [15:32] Urchlay: if that was the case the vesa driver in the xorg would be able to work ? [15:32] wouldn't it crash too [15:32] i got error while running mkrescue [15:32] bnhashmi: i got the same error [15:32] we are doing something wron [15:32] Lord_Khelben: yeah, but new ones are being made that way. Makes a certain amount of sense: they design for windows, which is a GUI-only OS, and all vid card manufacturers provide windows drivers... if it's cheaper/easier for them to leave out the VESA support, 99.9% of their audience will never notice it's gone [15:33] signal11_ (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:33] (and yeah, I know windows has a CLI, but how many people ever run a command prompt in text mode as opposed to inside a window on the desktop?) [15:33] Action: Camarade_Tux needs to try to beat slackytude with the "/me" use [15:34] Lord_Khelben: dontcha just love the IT crowd? I would agree with you (saw you saying this on noobfarm) that the "This is the Internet" episode is the best. [15:34] natural_1ind (n=vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] Lord_Khelben: And to think you'd be worried that you came from iran.. [15:34] Lord_Khelben: What?.. I never said that.. I said i used to be a MAN! [15:34] it crowd rules [15:34] lol [15:35] hehehe [15:35] That fight scene is great. [15:35] "You bastard!" LMAO [15:35] there is a oversight though. the girl lands away of the internet [15:35] and then they show it bashed [15:35] but who cares :) [15:35] meh, minor detail.. [15:36] I love it when that girl gets mocked about asking how much it weighs. hahaha. [15:36] "Well if the hawk says it's okay." [15:36] bnhashmi: 1) dont pm people for answers [15:36] i might be evil and told you to run something that would destroy your box [15:36] ok [15:36] when I run lilo as root I get a warning that says "LBA32 addressing assumed" is that ok? [15:36] (ofcourse i am not evil but you don't know it) [15:36] ok boss [15:36] 2) i don't know what is the fix [15:36] lolwut: yeah [15:37] lolwut: yes it is ok. put lba32 in the beginning of lilo.conf if you don't want to see it [15:37] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.135.116) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Camarade_Tux: http://noobfarm.org/?id=1626 LOL!! [15:38] all episodes are nice but this with the internet was hilarious [15:38] agentc0re|work: :) [15:38] i also liked the "i am declaring war" scene [15:38] Lord_Khelben: We watch them at work... You know to help us brush up on our skills. [15:38] I now wait when someone askes me for help :P I can't go right away or they'll demand it everytime! :P [15:39] you have a tape recorder too with automated answers ? :P [15:39] Lord_Khelben: OH ya.. that's a good one too. [15:39] Lord_Khelben: Not yet. We're working on that. [15:39] i liked denholm (or whatever his name was) better than his son though [15:40] Lord_Khelben: "Everyone on the flippin 5th floor disabled their Antivirus!" "Oh ya and Denem is dead.." [15:40] hehehe [15:40] Lord_Khelben: Ya, so did we. He got better in the later episodes. But at first, he's really lame. [15:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host236-233-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:41] i like these "english humor" tv shows they are great [15:41] Lord_Khelben: Oh, that part was great when he found his grandfathers revolver. [15:43] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [15:43] the silly thing is that most of the region2 (europe) tv series dvd don't have subtitles not even english ones. i'd love to buy the dvds [15:44] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:44] while their region1 counterparts have at least english for hearing impaired subs [15:44] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-180-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:44] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:45] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [15:45] mgs` (n=mgs@unaffiliated/mgs/x-0000001) joined ##slackware. [15:45] natural_mind (n=vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:46] / <--- /me kicks antiwire in the yinyang [15:47] Action: Camarade_Tux can't display that [15:47] i can't either. Thank you windows. [15:47] i see the yinyang [15:47] kvirc is pretty nice with unicode :) [15:48] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:49] irssi+screen+dejavusansmono+ssh :) [15:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) left irc: Connection timed out [15:50] ssh? [15:50] why? [15:50] hi [15:50] this computer is often shut down [15:50] how can i have a minimal slackware? [15:50] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8EAE0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:50] http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article6736587.ece [15:51] and internet connection not always perfect [15:51] lol [15:51] SLAX [15:51] KABOOM!!!! [15:51] rek: what do you call minimal? [15:51] Camarade_Tux: something smaller than 680mb [15:51] agentc0re|work: read that this morning, really nice ;) [15:51] rek: err, you want it on a CD? a livecd? [15:51] a cd... [15:52] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [15:52] i want to install it [15:52] Camarade_Tux, I don't see the necessity. Why SSH into a machine if the first machine has a limited bandwidth [15:52] rek: oh, you mean the packages under 680MB, not the system once installed [15:52] rek, SLAX [15:52] yes [15:52] slax ? [15:52] Keiffer: nah, only for irssi [15:52] SLAX is not Slackware Keiffer [15:52] keeps me up [15:52] rek: slax is a livecd [15:52] Slacware based [15:53] i'm in the ftp directory [15:53] Keiffer: repeat after me: SLAX is not Slackware [15:53] i could use a bigger cd though [15:53] rek: want X? want kde? want php, mysql, apache/httpd? [15:53] SLAX is not Slackware [15:53] Good ;-) [15:53] But is Slackware based [15:53] they said me if i install 1 cd i can't have an X [15:54] So? We support Slackware heer, not derivatives [15:54] rek "they" are right [15:54] is cd1 really 600MB? and txz would help here [15:54] but he could use cd1 and install X afterwards, correct? [15:54] Hey guys. What's a good place to go to get a verified SSL cert? [15:54] they r not wrong [15:54] rek: "minimal" is a highly subjective term [15:54] Looking for something fairly cheap. [15:54] root (n=root@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Nick change: root -> Guest34050 [15:55] something smaller than 680mb [15:55] how can i get php to work with apache? i see that php is already installed [15:55] Guest34050: did you enable the php config in the apache config ? [15:55] Alan_Hicks: cacert.org ? [15:56] rek: you want the installed slack to be less than 680mb ? [15:56] rek - see here for information what is available on each Slackware CD [15:56] Lord_Khelben: oops no , sorry just comming from a different distro [15:56] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [15:56] Guest34050: modify the apache config and restart apache then [15:56] Lord_Khelben: ok thank you! :-) [15:56] not the installed [15:56] you will see in the config a include line [15:57] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "leaving" [15:57] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) joined ##slackware. [15:57] alienBOB: Don't mind paying actually. I've heard about the free SSL cert places, but are they included in most apps' lists of trusted cert providers? [15:57] I made a selection of packages that was less than 400MB last week, had X and a few things (and d/) [15:57] No idea [15:57] Yeah. See, I gotta have this work for IE and Outlook and the like. [15:58] Camarade_Tux: how did u do that [15:59] however i must find a larger cd [15:59] alienBOB: is it trouble to enable CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION in the kernels (after 13.0 is released ofcourse to avoid any possible breakage). ADVANCED_PARTITION is enabled along with some others but this is disabled [15:59] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [15:59] rek: btw, why do you need a cd? you could get the packages from the network or from an external drive (hard drive or usb key) [16:02] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-75.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:07] firefox in the preferences -> advanced -> encryption has a list of certificate authorities [16:07] you can browse 3-4 of them and see which one is cheaper [16:08] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:08] pick one that is supported in all of ie,firefox,opera etc [16:09] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host236-233-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Alan_Hicks: Ah, yeah. Well i guess if they wanna fork out the money for it.. :D. It's amazingly hard to explain to someone, "Yes, you trust our OWN website regardless of what this says. And if you read it you would understand it's not a big deal" But trying to get people to stop accepting activeX or clicking on ad's not paying attention to all that little shit that installs garbage on their machine.. Good luck there. Why they stop at that warnin [16:09] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] quake today 330 south of san diego iinm [16:10] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:10] hm. Sometime recently in -current, the /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh script got where it takes several seconds to execute. Anyone else want to try it & confirm? (run ". /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh" from a bash prompt) [16:10] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Client Quit [16:11] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Urchlay: it executes instantly here [16:11] what do you get if you ls -l it? -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2199 2009-05-08 15:51 /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh* [16:11] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host236-233-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:12] same size and perms only different date [16:12] Does anyone here uses Maltego? [16:12] Urchlay: mine's same as yours. [16:12] possibly that's the date when I last upgraded the coreutils package [16:12] Urchlay: immediate here [16:12] Lord_Khelben: try "md5sum /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh" [16:12] mine is probably different because i edited at some point [16:13] Camarade_Tux: md5sum it... I get 21ac50fcd4a41195bb516516b5ab121c [16:13] the only change i made though is OPTIONS="-F -N -T 0" i changed -b to -N so that i can see "unprintable" e.g greek chars [16:13] Urchlay: same here [16:14] eduardo (n=unknown@174.37.193.182-static.reverse.softlayer.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] wonder WTF is going on [16:14] what bash version have you got installed? [16:14] it does it only on that file ? [16:14] Action: Camarade_Tux on zsh though [16:14] i am on zsh too but i tested it on bash too just in case [16:15] Lord_Khelben: yes. If I run "bash -login -x", I can actually see the pause between the commands [16:15] zsh-4.3.10 bash-3.1.017 [16:15] same bash I have [16:15] eduardo (i=eduardo@eduardovalente-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] bash -login -x executes instantly too [16:15] Raf (n=Raf@203.88.90.218) left irc: "Leaving" [16:15] Urchlay: does that also happen at boot/login? [16:15] and you see it stops in the coreutils-dircolors ? what command ? [16:16] (my root has bash anyway and no time problem) [16:16] last thing it prints before the pause is: +++ /bin/dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS [16:16] Urchlay: place an "echo" in the middle of the file and determine if it's the first or the second part that takes time [16:16] and use dichotomu [16:16] Ok. I see no Maltego user. Maybe other OSINT software I don't know about? [16:16] next thing after the pause is a giant "eval 'LS_COLORS=...." that takes up 10+ screen lines [16:16] *dichotomy [16:17] bah [16:17] Nick change: signal11_ -> signal11 [16:17] yes it is supposed to be that big [16:17] but it shouldn't paus [16:18] Lord_Khelben: right, I know it's supposed to be that big (have messed with it before, long ago) [16:18] if you hash the dircolors command and run bash again [16:18] it doesn't pause ? [16:18] yes it does pause [16:18] then its not the dircolors fault [16:19] if I source the script twice, it pauses the same amount [16:19] strace it? :D [16:19] if I edit the script and change the "eval `/bin/dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS`" line to "time eval ...", it tells me the eval takes 1.4 seconds [16:20] I get the same time running it directly from the bash prompt, so it's nothing weird in the script environment [16:21] heh, if I run the command inside the `` (just "/bin/dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS" wihout the eval), it runs instantly [16:21] i was just going to suggest to run dircolors > file and source file [16:22] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [16:22] yeah, that's a good workaround, but I'm more interested in fixing the actual problem... [16:22] yes i didn't mean as workaround just temporarily [16:23] grep is slower than I expect, too... try running "time grep ^.... /usr/share/dict/words >/dev/null" [16:23] Wow [16:23] grep is very fast [16:23] NO Internet since last Wednesday has been weird [16:23] that takes 41 seconds. I'm on a 1.8MHz 64-bit proc, I don't expect it to take *that* damn long [16:23] and it will be faster if you use a longer search string [16:24] (string, not regexp) [16:24] finally back home and not on a rogue network [16:24] how do i set my x resolution with xrandr? i am ssh'd in. 'xrandr -d :0 -q' shows the resolutions. i tried 'xrandr -d :0 --mode 1920x1080', but it doesn't work. how do i know the "name" of the mode? [16:24] doesn't matter though. I used to use a command just like that on an athlon 1.2MHz running slackware 8, and it was *much* faster [16:24] (the purpose there is to find all the words in the file that are 4 or more letters, how else would you do that with grep?) [16:24] gah 300 emails to read too [16:25] Urchlay: grepping for "a", it takes a pretty long time: 17.5s [16:25] now, for mlknbvgfiuohilkjbvhgckfguhila, it takes 0.01s [16:25] algorithms :) [16:26] Camarade_Tux: hm. It's not the regex that's slowing it down apparently, if I use the same command with "grep -q" (quiet, as in don't print any output), it executes instantly [16:26] Urchlay: "that takes 41 seconds. I'm on a 1.8*M*Hz 64-bit proc,", 18MHz, that's maybe the problem :D [16:26] can anyone answer my xrandr question quickly? i don't see an explination in the man page [16:26] Urchlay: yeah, it also executes much faster with -q, same time ;) [16:27] Camarade_Tux: blah. My fingers are used to typing 1.8MHz because that's the speed of the Atari 800 [16:27] this one is of course 1.8GHz [16:27] (considering that words is 384KB, it's not surprising actually) [16:27] Urchlay: :p [16:27] zaltekk: xrandr -s 1920x1080 doesn't work ? [16:27] i thought i needed to use --mode =/ [16:27] let me try [16:28] ah, it did. thanks for solving my ignorance, Lord_Khelben. [16:28] zaltekk: i think --mode goes with --output [16:28] but i may be wrong [16:28] i haven't fiddled much with xrandr [16:29] time perl -nle 'print if /^..../' /usr/share/dict/words >/dev/null [16:29] Lord_Khelben: the output of xrandr --help makes me think so. but the man page doesn't. i've never used it before. [16:29] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [16:29] that executes in 0.06 seconds, and does the same thing as the grep command that takes 41 seconds. I really think something's wrong with grep. [16:29] i'm just trying to fix the problem with Xorg thinking my TV is 16:10 when it is only 16:9 and can't do the 1920x1200 resolution [16:29] camarade u mean usb boot? [16:29] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [16:29] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.103.82) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [16:30] time sed -n '/^..../p' /usr/share/dict/words >/dev/null # also takes 0.06 sec and does the same thing [16:30] rworkman: good afternoon [16:31] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Okay. Now the real trick. I can't seem to get my xorg.conf to start KDE in 1920x1080@60. It always goes to 1920x1200@60. I added 'Modes "1920x1080' to the 24bit color depth, but it has no effect. [16:31] What should I look at next? [16:32] zaltekk: configure it under KDE? [16:32] zaltekk: does it mention why it rejects the mode ? [16:32] is there a gallery of background images i can search to set my fluxbox background? [16:32] maybe xorg doesn't know the correct modeline ? [16:32] zaltekk: What kind of video card? [16:32] Lord_Khelben: i doesn't 'reject' anything...the screen is black and there are no errors. [16:33] winger: the internets are full of websites of backgrounds [16:33] zaltekk: I don't think you can 1920x1080 [16:33] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:33] winger: when i restart KDE it always goes back to the higher resolution [16:33] zaltekk: while with 1920x1200 it works ? [16:33] it's 16:9, not 16:10 [16:33] its not just a video card issue, its what the monitor is capable of [16:33] Camarade_Tux: 1920x1080 works. 1920x1200 doesn't. [16:33] he, you wrote the opposite ;p [16:33] oh, sorry =[ [16:34] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:34] grep from slamd64 is just as slow. Hm. [16:34] zaltekk: maybe you should check a few things: " I can't seem to get my xorg.conf to start KDE in 1920x1080@60. It always goes to 1920x1200@60. I added 'Modes "1920x1080' " [16:34] twolf: what site do you use for bg images? [16:34] the fact that you added that mode makes me wonder if you didn't make a mistake ;) [16:34] zaltekk: What kind of video card? [16:35] agentc0re|work: ati radeon 9500 pro(r300) [16:35] using the radeon driver [16:35] Can that do that large of a resolution? [16:35] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:35] yep. [16:35] zaltekk: try running cvt or gtf and put the compute modeline in xorg.conf along with Modes 1920x1080 [16:35] and try it. maybe it works [16:35] 1920x1080 is working right now, set with xrandr [16:35] winger: actually I just have a plain black background, pretty boring I know [16:36] a matrox with 2MB of memory could do 1024x768 and a geforce2 gs could do more than 2000xsomething ;) [16:36] twolf: nah, plain black backgrounds are better ;) [16:36] easy on the eyes [16:36] zaltekk: There are configuration options for just tv's. I don't know what ati's are anymore, but you should look them up. [16:36] anti-ecolo too :) [16:36] video_ram_bytes = (bits_per_pixel / 8) * horiz * vert; [16:36] agentc0re|work: i'm not doing "tv out" [16:36] i'm doing vga into the tv [16:37] Urchlay: for 2d [16:37] except sometimes 24-bit color mode actually uses 4 bytes/pixel instead of 3 [16:37] Lord_Khelben: sure. I thought he was just trying to get 2D working though... [16:37] the _only_ problem is that i have to set the resolution one step lower with xrandr after i start KDE. otherwise, everything works. [16:37] and...oops....the laptop i am using irc through is about to die. let me go plug it in. [16:38] zaltekk: can you post the xorg.0.log ? [16:38] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:38] Lord_Khelben: in a few minutes when i return. there are no errors in it. [16:38] brb [16:38] ok [16:39] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:39] twolf: my irc client (bitchX) is a white background with black typing, same for xterm.. i've seen users desktops where they are somewhat transparent and other colors.. how do you configure? [16:39] what's a good site to learn how to config/use apache? [16:40] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:40] http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN149975820070917 yowza! [16:40] winger: you can use a terminal that supports some sort of transparency, one that I know does is aterm [16:41] Guest34050: apache.org has a lot of good documentation [16:41] winger: there are others, but I don't know which [16:41] Lord_Khelben: hey, how long did you say that grep command takes to run, on your box? [16:41] flux gives me the option of changing the transparency, but it doesn't actually do anything [16:41] quasar: thank you [16:41] np [16:41] ktos (n=ktos@adhp157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:41] Urchlay: i don't have any dicts so i didn't run it [16:41] Hi [16:41] winger: I think that option in flux only applies to the menu [16:41] Lord_Khelben: /usr/share/dict/words comes from bsd-games [16:41] ah let me install it [16:42] grep ^.... was it ? [16:42] okay, Lord_Khelben. you wanted the xorg log? [16:42] Tell me please is current (RC1 as Pat called it) enought tested to use it on production? [16:42] wtf? ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-10.2/slackware/ <--- that's an empty directory! [16:42] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [16:42] Kenjiro: afternoon :) [16:43] hi rworkman [16:43] Urchlay: the old trees only have /patches iirc [16:43] I know generally current is not but I ask about this specified current ;) [16:43] (of ftp.slackware.com) [16:43] s/of/on/ [16:43] drijen: ola [16:43] Urchlay: time grep ^.... /usr/share/dicts/words does 0.02 sec [16:43] Urchlay, try slackware.no [16:43] rworkman: are you playing with KDE-4.3.0? Or is alienBOB ? [16:43] I am [16:44] I am not [16:44] (playing as in "building/packaging) [16:44] hi alienBOB [16:44] alienBOB: ok thanks [16:44] Real life gets in the way [16:44] Lord_Khelben: 64-bit or 32? [16:44] Kenjiro: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/kde43.jpg [16:44] 64bit -current [16:44] alienBOB: I do know what you mean *grin* [16:44] WTF is going on here then... [16:44] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Connection timed out [16:44] rworkman, the heck theme is that [16:45] how much do u eat a day? [16:45] your CPU is probably faster than mine, but it can't be enough faster to cause *that* much of a speed difference [16:45] drijen: default, with some changes to the panel [16:45] rworkman: I don't know... i didn't like that wallpaper. It makes me somewhat dizzy *LOL* [16:45] winger: you can specify some options for terminal at start, like: xterm -bg gray30 -fg white -fn a14 [16:45] credi credo? [16:45] Urchlay: it is a c2d but i don't think this it so cpu intensive [16:45] the 32-bit grep binaries from slackware 12.0 and -current both take 58 seconds here (using fred's compat32 stuff to get them to run) [16:45] rworkman: did you have some trouble to get kdewebdev to compile? [16:45] Lord_Khelben: your 0.02s, was that with -q or without? [16:45] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Kenjiro: hrm, I don't recall any [16:46] grep ^.... /usr/share/dicts/words [16:46] rworkman: so, what about policykit? [16:46] how many word should it print ? [16:46] Camarade_Tux: not needed. The hype was wrong. [16:46] Lord_Khelben: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/m3c8720b1 [16:46] rworkman: did it need policykit like it was rumoured ? [16:46] rworkman: nice :) [16:46] can i have a iso dvd image of all the software? [16:46] in order to install it? [16:47] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Lord_Khelben: a bunch. 38143 it looks like. [16:47] rworkman: how did you come to try it without policykit? [16:47] l0lwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:47] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.116.32.20) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Lord_Khelben: the exact command: time grep '^....' /usr/share/dict/words >/dev/null [16:48] Camarade_Tux: well, I built it with PolicyKit, and noticed that the only "enhancement" was a gui editor for polkit authorizations. So... I removed PK and friends, and everything still worked except that component. So... I built it without PK installed, and viola. :) [16:48] rworkman: lol! :P [16:48] if that runs in 0.02s on your system and takes 41 seconds on mine, I have something wrong here... [16:49] oddsock (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] 0,02s user 0,00s system 82% cpu 0,022 total [16:49] Urchlay: the weird thing is i don't get any word printed. i don't seem to find any 4letter words in there [16:50] with >/dev/null, it won't print anything [16:50] rworkman: we could probably make a very popular reddit topic with only that message : you were all wrong and blindly followed the rumour :p [16:50] yes even without > /dev/null [16:50] Camarade_Tux: haha [16:50] Kenjiro, kdewebdev may have trouble with tidy [16:50] ^.... should find all words 4 letters and up, not just 4 letter words only. How big is your words file? [16:50] Lord_Khelben: did you look at http://pastebin.com/m3c8720b1 ? [16:51] shyko: as usual ;) [16:51] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "leaving" [16:51] :) [16:51] Urchlay: i may be wrong but isn't . any character ? [16:51] yes [16:51] the ^....* would find 4letters and up [16:51] ^ means "start of line", I don't anchor it at the end [16:52] no, grep doesn't anchor by itself. "grep foo" would find all lines containing "foo", not just all lines that match "foo" exactly [16:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] Urchlay: now i get 25,78s user 0,12s system 98% cpu 26,210 total [16:53] grep -E / grep -P ? [16:53] hehe :) [16:53] <_alisonken1churc> grep -w [16:53] ah! I found the culprit! I have LANG="en_US.UTF-8" in lang.sh [16:53] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE62CB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:53] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:53] changing that to LANG=C (the old default) makes that grep command run damn near instantly [16:53] rworkman: hola [16:53] SpacePlod: hey hey [16:54] Urchlay, you will be in English UTF8 [16:54] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE62CB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Urchlay: I get this on that command with en UTF8: [16:54] real 0m25.461s [16:54] user 0m25.431s [16:54] Channel flood from rworkman -- kicking [16:54] sys 0m0.009s [16:54] rworkman kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:54] Urchlay: LANG is en_US.UTF-8 here [16:54] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:54] erm make that _will_ [16:54] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [16:54] bah [16:54] rworkman: bravo :) [16:54] Urchlay: yes i get that behaviour too [16:54] changing it to en_US (without the .UTF-8), also makes it run nice and fast [16:54] 25secs like rworkman with el_GR.UTF-8 [16:54] and 0sec with LANG=C [16:55] Lord_Khelben: and en_US.UTF-8 ? [16:55] what's going on? I've been out for a few weeks. Saw your "ola" awhile back, but screen/ssh on an iProduct is messy at best, so I left my response hanging. [16:55] Camarade_Tux: yes 25secs with en_US.UTF-8 too [16:55] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.116.32.20) left ##slackware. [16:55] OK, so there *is* a downside to using UTF8 (the lang.sh comments vaguely say there might be problems without giving specifics) [16:56] en_US does 0 secs too. it seems that UTF8 locales change something and makes it crawl [16:56] immediate here, even with bash and everything hmmm [16:56] well, UTF8 is a more complex encoding scheme, but the words file doesn't contain any characters that actually use the extra bytes of encoding... [16:57] LANG=C,LANG=en_US give 0.02sec LANG=el_GR.UTF-8, LANG=en_US.UTF-8 give 25sec [16:57] camerade is there an iso dvd image? [16:57] Lord_Khelben: I'd think it unexpectedly produces a regexp or the like [16:57] Urchlay, ouch 56.56s [16:57] rek: for which version? [16:57] 12.2 [16:57] I dunno where the UTF-8 decoder comes from (part of glibc probably), but it seems to be inefficient... [16:57] Camarade_Tux: maybe, but all words in the file are simple ascii so UTF8 or not it shouldn't matter [16:57] rek: yes [16:57] rek: more than half of the mirrors should have one [16:58] (so if one mirror doesn't have one, try another mirror) [16:58] Lord_Khelben: hmmm, right [16:58] Lord_Khelben: well the utf-8 decoder is invoked, because the application can't know that it isn't needed for that particular file [16:58] is this distro light? [16:58] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@202.174.145.186) left irc: "Leaving" [16:58] let me try it on my friend's solaris box [16:58] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:58] less than 400MB of memory used with firefox and about 20 tabs [16:58] rek: ^^ [16:58] (but I don't use kde) [16:59] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@202.174.145.186) joined ##slackware. [16:59] (nor xfce) [16:59] what do u use? [16:59] openbox and nothing else, but that's very low by anybody's standard [16:59] but, a well-written utf-8 decoder really should be faster than that, when dealing with 7-bit ASCII-only input (it's 5 orders of magnitude slower!) [17:00] on ascii only, it should be almost as fast [17:00] (only one bit to check) [17:00] Guest34050 (n=root@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:01] monstro (n=monstro@201-26-12-223.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:01] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:01] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-83-160.flash.tv.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] Solaris 10 0secs with LANG=C, 58secs with LANG=el_GR.UTF-8 [17:03] so it isn't only linux's glibc [17:03] anyone install adobe flash player 10 under firefox? [17:04] winger: yep, on 64-current [17:04] winger: install cyrus-sasl too [17:04] winger: else it'll crash [17:04] some reason when i extract the .tar.gz, it just gives me a .so file... not too sure what to do, .mozilla/plugins? [17:04] Camarade_Tux: exactly. It should be slightly slower, but nowhere near 30 thousand times slower [17:04] oddsock: that under slackbuilds.org? [17:04] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] winger: yes [17:05] oddsock: eh? [17:05] cyrus-sasl is included with slack [17:05] it isn't on slackbuilds [17:05] oddsock: flash player needs cyrus-sasl? [17:05] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-75.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] just upgraded to the lastest wicd and i can't run the client it says that if dbus is config right something like that [17:05] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.129.236) joined ##slackware. [17:05] hi [17:05] hello rg3 [17:05] Urchlay: you could try trimming the file and get the smallest file showing that problem [17:05] oddsock: I never would have guessed that (I have it, I just didn't know flash used it) [17:05] deco: is dbus running ? [17:05] (and possibly report it) [17:06] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:06] Lord_Khelben: how can i check? [17:06] deco: ps -ef |grep dbus [17:06] Urchlay: i've menat that firefox won't work with flash player without sasl... [17:06] if you see a dbus-daemon then it is running [17:06] oddsock: searched cyrus under slackbuilds.. nothing [17:06] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [17:06] Lord_Khelben: yeah it is [17:06] Camarade_Tux: yeah, that would be worthwhile. Probably I will get yelled at... "it's a known issue, it's been fixed in the ultra-bleeding-edge SVN code, stop wasting our time you subhuman excuse for a monkey" [17:06] winger: cyrus-sasl is included with slack [17:07] winger: it can be found in 'n' section on slack dvd [17:07] report it where ? [17:07] is it grep's problem ? [17:07] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:07] Urchlay: he, that doesn't happen for all projects ;) [17:07] oddsock: so it isn't on slackbuilds? [17:07] Lord_Khelben: to the glibc maintainers, or whatever package turns out to actually contain that uber-slow utf-8 decoder (glibc is my best guess, without doing any research) [17:07] winger: no [17:07] oddsock, yeah it does [17:08] winger, sw on the disks are not on SBo [17:08] also when i downloaded the flash player in firefox, it doesn't have a file explorer program? [17:08] Urchlay: didn't you say earlier that sed works instantly ? [17:08] although... sed isn't slow [17:08] yeah [17:08] so it wouldn't be glibc problem [17:08] but grep's problem [17:08] Urchlay: yaxm.org/!grep+slow+encoding [17:09] hahaha, the ubuntu launchpad for bugs has a member named "Debian Bug Importer" :D [17:09] winger: everything you'll need is on dvd cyrus-sasl in slack/n and fluash build in extras/source [17:10] Urchlay: grep being slower in utf8 environments is an ancient, unsolved issue [17:10] wow i found a 2003 post in google about this issue [17:10] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [17:10] pprkut: 0.2sec -> 28sec isn't slower its sluggish [17:10] other distros patch grep to make it less noticeable [17:11] Lord_Khelben: yes ;) [17:11] at least there are worst cases. in solaris it takes 2x time (58sec) [17:11] the trouble with debian/fedora/rhel bugzilla is that the bug reports are on the wrong website, they should be on the project's bug system, not on the distro's [17:11] pprkut: apparently so. I think I'm going to patch my grep, too... [17:11] seems like their patches/fix never end upstream [17:11] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:12] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:12] Urchlay: the ubuntu bug report is from 2004 [17:12] Camarade_Tux: AFAIK, it's deemed incorrect [17:12] so, what I just said: it (almost) never ends upstream [17:12] pprkut: that's my feeling [17:12] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.103.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] Action: pprkut is subscribed to the bugreport for grep, no valuable update in months [17:13] a supposed fix is to compile grep with its own regexp system and not use libc's one [17:14] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [17:14] even if slower utf8 is the way [17:14] pprkut: the debian bugreports are from 2003 and have been marked resolved with patches since 2007 [17:14] for greek there are 3 codepages (not counting the ibm codepages that are never used) [17:14] afaict the patches are only in debian [17:14] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [17:15] (and are for 2.5.3 while ubuntu had 2.5.4 in 2004) [17:15] (so yeah, the patches are at least 4 years old) [17:15] its a huge mess. with utf8 you can work and be sure everything will be fine [17:15] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] Camarade_Tux: fedora has its own set of patches too [17:15] Urchlay: yeah, I know they want/need them upsteam though [17:15] yeah [17:15] Camarade_Tux: erm, 2.5.4 is newer than 2004 [17:15] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:16] pprkut: hmm, right, I'm blind [17:16] entersandman (n=puppy@adsl-65-43-224-235.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@adsl-65-43-224-235.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:16] entersandman kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: sandman1 [17:16] /exec sudo upgradepkg eyes-1.1.tgz [17:16] Feb 2009, ubuntu would be way ahead of times :P [17:16] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.103.82) joined ##slackware. [17:16] ;p [17:17] but the patch hasn't been upstreamed in two years anyway ;) [17:17] true [17:17] pretty much every distro has their own path for the issue [17:17] Urchlay: so, on the ocaml mailing-list, I saw a fedora ask *urgently* if a (non-security) patch was going to go upstream or not [17:17] gentoo uses this ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/gentoo-portage/sys-apps/grep/files/2.5.1-utf8-case.patch (grabbed from debian) [17:18] >< [17:18] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [17:18] s/path/patch/ [17:18] hey guys how much space do i need for full install again? [17:18] pprkut: do you know of some reason why the GNU grep maintainers don't fix the issue in their tree? (NIH syndrome?) [17:19] 1 billion gigabytes! [17:19] missyjane: full, something like 4-5GB I think [17:19] alright ty [17:19] and a few more GBs to be on the safe side [17:19] quasar, *gasp* [17:19] someone catch me as i faint [17:19] hm. That patch from Fedora didn't fix my problem. Figures. [17:19] Urchlay: nope, no idea [17:19] df -H is showing / is 9.1G on my machine lol [17:20] my / uses 8.6GB and has a *big* /usr/src and unclean /tmp [17:20] yeah, 1.7Gb in /tmp [17:20] (but I don't have a full install) [17:20] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] im gonna be dling the latest of the latest for slackware [17:20] so hit me with what you guys got, where can i dl that? :D [17:20] yikes, 1.9GB in /tmp :D [17:20] my /tmp is pretty clean, only 783M [17:20] Camarade_Tux: good grief, clean up your /tmp man. [17:20] Action: quasar goes searching for all that extra stuff o.O [17:21] Urchlay: I had ago for that a year ago or so, did benchmarks and all. Ended up doing 'export LANG=en.US' right before calling grep ;) [17:21] missyjane, oh god, not you again [17:21] drijen, who are you again? [17:21] phoenix^: a slackware iso image (not a full one) and /tmp/SBo (with qemu build: 550MB of build) [17:21] i put /tmp on tmpfs the day before yesterday. until now it works fine [17:22] I'd have space problems [17:22] at least because of slackbuilds/sbopkg [17:22] Action: pprkut has /tmp on tmpfs for years, no problems [17:22] Nick change: punker -> Punker [17:22] pprkut: yeah, a shell alias would be a workaround, I'm just annoyed that there's not a proper fix [17:22] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [17:22] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:23] I used to have /tmp on tmpfs, I don't anymore though. [17:23] Urchlay: http://savannah.gnu.org/patch/?3803 [17:23] Urchlay: yeah, me too [17:23] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [17:23] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:23] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:24] bah http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/slackware/slackware-current/ where can i dl the current? [17:24] Urchlay: just poke the mailing-list [17:24] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [17:24] phoenix^: why did you disabled it (tmpfs) ? [17:25] missyjane, erm. i'd use slackget. [17:25] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Camarade_Tux: yeah, that's the patch I just tried, it didn't help [17:25] missyjane, you can download it anywhere you want [17:25] missyjane: pick a mirror close to you [17:25] Camarade_Tux: that's the one thing I didn't do ;) [17:25] missyjane: slackpkg, even. [17:25] Urchlay: hmmm, and what about the ubuntu/fedora patches? [17:25] missyjane: I always use alienBOB's mirror current script, which makes a nice iso :) [17:25] missyjane, or do you want an .iso / [17:25] er ? [17:25] Lord_Khelben, lol i love japan, so [17:25] Lord_Khelben: Can't remember why really, just did, this was a little while back now. [17:26] I always have an up-to-date rsync repository, really great, I'd advise everybody to :) [17:26] im trying to dl the dvd iso for current so i can burn it [17:26] Camarade_Tux: that *is* the fedora patch :) [17:26] shpendk (n=shpendk@80.80.162.252) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Urchlay: they maybe have a new one [17:26] yes rsync rules. i now mirror both 32 and 64bit [17:26] and the debian ones? [17:26] Camarade_Tux: I have 5 of them :) [17:26] I only have -current and 64-current ;p [17:26] I dunno about the debian patches yet, haven't tried them yet [17:26] Camarade_Tux: what's so great about rsync? why not just use slackpkg? [17:26] missyjane, either way, you would be downloading all of slackware-current so you can use rsync if you want [17:26] or wget but either way.... [17:27] yesyes: slackpkg will help you install/upgrade packages [17:27] Lord_Khelben: If I remember though, when I did use it, there was a nice little performance increase. :P [17:27] Camarade_Tux: 12.{0,1,2} + -current and 64-current. [17:27] im not upgrading this pc [17:27] :| [17:27] with rsync you can download the whole tree and have it synced all the time [17:27] rsync -av --del --force slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware/slackware-current/* . [17:27] rsync ROCK [17:27] BP{k}: I have only one computer, I don't need anything but current :D [17:27] but im just trying to dl the iso to save it too [17:27] stick that in rsync.sh in ~/slackware-current or whatever [17:27] Camarade_Tux: hehe yeah fair enough. although I might drop 12.0 and 12.1. [17:28] phoenix^: i mainly did it because it got dirty quickly and i had to rm it :P now after reboot all clean. i also put the firefox profile there because ff sucks [17:28] why would you keep copies of 12.0 or 12.1 ? [17:28] TwinReverb, why not. [17:28] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] touche! [17:28] Urchlay: I tried debian's and redhat's patches a year ago. I had a noticeable speed increase with both, but both were still half as fast as in a non-utf8 environment [17:28] Lord_Khelben: haha, FF profile in there, did that make a huge difference? [17:29] TwinReverb, isnt what you just suggested good for upgrading? [17:29] phoenix^: actually yes. i ran a strace and ff writes to the sqlite databases and other files every 1nanosecond [17:29] Lord_Khelben: WHOA, nice. [17:29] Lord_Khelben: I've been using Konqueror lately. :D [17:30] i never likes konqueror :P i always say to myself "i will try to get used to konqueror to get rid of firefox" but i can never get used to it [17:30] s/likes/liked/ [17:30] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [17:30] Lord_Khelben: I remember when I had used /tmp on tmpfs, someone(s) had mentioned security or some issues? Do you know about that? [17:31] Lord_Khelben: I've been using konqueror for a couple weeks or so and am actually impressed with how nice it is. [17:31] kde 4.3, according to kde.org, is to be released today. :D [17:31] i want to get rid of kde and go back to xfce so i try to use as less kde apps as possible [17:32] Lord_Khelben: which ones do you currently use? [17:32] i tried kde4 just because mainly i use kde apps :( so the kde services are always running so i thought what the heck let me try it [17:32] phoenix^: I think they are usually on Tuesdays [17:32] missyjane, i guess [17:32] drijen, i just don't see the point, that's all [17:32] thrice`: yeah, it'll probably be tomorrow, but their site says today. :P [17:33] thrice`: I may try building it once it's out. :) [17:33] Lord_Khelben, konq got fixed in kde4 [17:33] Camarade_Tux: okular for pdfs since there isn't any alternative, kmess for msn (as there isn't any alternative),akregator,kmail,ktorrent,kwrite etc [17:33] Camarade_Tux: the debian speedup patch won't even apply [17:33] drijen: what do you mean by got fixed ? i didn't find it to be buggy [17:33] mainly okular and kvirc for all the other i have alternatives [17:34] Lord_Khelben, speed wise, also they added in a lot of stuff that i would normally addon in firefox [17:34] evince is nice but needs much from gnome [17:34] Lord_Khelben, remember how god awful slow konq [17:34] Lord_Khelben, no it doesn't [17:34] Lord_Khelben, trice got ti without the libs [17:34] *thrice [17:34] ah i will try it then [17:35] evince is quite nice and supports many things that okular doesn't yet (eg anotations) [17:35] Urchlay: yeah, it's for 2.5.3, not 2.5.4, and nothing say it doesn't rely on other patches... [17:35] Lord_Khelben: What line in fstab did you use for /tmp on tmpfs? [17:35] Action: TwinReverb uses ristretto [17:35] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.103.82) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:35] TwinReverb: ++ I really like ristretto, even though I'm on kde. [17:35] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] phoenix^: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,size=1G,mode=1777 0 0 [17:36] "even though i'm on kde" so what? kde is a desktop environment, but it doesn't mean you can't use non-qt applications [17:36] Lord_Khelben: kmess: pidgin? and ktorrent: enhanced-ctorrent/transmission/.../seesbo, for kwrite, hmm, I've forgotten but see sbo too ;) [17:36] isn't ristretto like xv ? it supports pdf ? [17:36] TwinReverb: yeah, I know. I use anything that works regardless of what de/wm I'm on. [17:37] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:37] Camarade_Tux: i hate pidgin. when not in kde i use azureus and mousepad (mouseedit mouse something from xfce) [17:37] mousepad [17:37] OK, the debian patch had a stray # character in it... now that it applies, my grep command that used to take 40+ seconds now runs almost instantly [17:37] http://www.agi.it/world/news/200908032048-cro-ren0087-uk_ipod_explodes_apple_asks_for_silence [17:37] :/ [17:37] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [17:37] yes someone pasted it earlier. i think it was agentcore [17:38] Lord_Khelben: I use xfs for my fs, anything in that line that won't work with xfs? [17:38] Lord_Khelben: azureus, ouch, can your computer run it? :D [17:38] Lord_Khelben: he, I see ;) [17:38] mohaa: I had read about that, interesting eh? :) [17:38] i always had a appreciation for apple but the more i read about it the more i dislike it [17:38] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [17:38] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left ##slackware. [17:38] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] phoenix^: i don't think the fs has anything to do with it [17:38] ah, it isn't the patch I think it is, either (I applied all their patches, not just the one with "speeedup" in the name) [17:39] it is a tmpfs mount. either you have xfs,extX,whatever it doesn't care [17:39] phoenix^, scary :D [17:39] Camarade_Tux: azureus isn't as slow/memory hog as it used to be [17:39] Apple is worse than microsoft, the only reason they are not as hated as microsoft is because apples does not own 99% of an entire market [17:39] nowadays java apps are nice [17:40] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:40] Pig_Pen: and apple has more fanboys than ms. i know people that they only buy apple [17:40] Lord_Khelben, don't say so [17:40] Pig_Pen, how are they worse? [17:40] sure apple has fanboys, i am sure all marketable products do [17:40] they even buy impractical,ugly,expensive apple keyboard because "they must buy apple" [17:40] Lord_Khelben: ok, thank you. [17:40] Lord_Khelben: :D [17:40] ugh, apple keyboards are horrid, so are their mice [17:40] Pig_Pen: exactly, apple worse than ms [17:41] (well, some of their mice anyway) [17:41] fanboys don't make that company's products bad [17:41] but apple is so expensive :D [17:41] according to the article it isn't the first ipod that blew it is something like the 3rd or 4th [17:42] i know some linux zealots that could make all of Linux look retarded (if i were dumb enough to think that idiot fanboys = idiot OS, which i'm not) [17:42] suicide bombers will wear apple ipods on them from now on [17:42] so what? no one complains about rolls royce being expensive. you either can afford it or you can't. [17:42] you can always use ms keyboard, like this one http://windows-keyboard.funnypart.com/ :D [17:43] TwinReverb: true [17:43] (except that rolls royce have a bit more than only the look) [17:43] apple does something smart: they control their hardware they run on. that's smart because then you don't have to worry about idiot hardware manufacturers (SiS comes to mind) [17:43] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [17:44] anyone who thinks windows sucks or linux sucks but runs it on SiS hardware needs to be back-handed [17:44] for that and for money and control [17:44] i swear i've had more problems with them on both OSes than on any other hardware [17:44] remember you aren't allowed to use mac os on a non-apple computer [17:44] that is why nobody runs SiS no more. even Via is rarely used now [17:45] TwinReverb: that also shows they want control [17:47] Camarade_Tux, nothing is wrong with control. i'd wager control was a factor in some of us using Slackware and/or Linux itself [17:47] TwinReverb: err, yeah, but we're the users, not the company [17:49] nothing wrong with a company having control. it's their product. [17:49] sure, as long as it's not at the expense of the user [17:49] has nothing to do with the user [17:49] and I think the use should be free to do whatever he wants once he has bought a product [17:49] if i want to make a company that makes football bats, i can do that, that's my choice [17:49] TwinReverb: the eula forbids you several things [17:50] they're still free to do what they want, it just voids their warranty / support [17:50] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] not sure, the eula is more a contract and the right to use the software [17:50] anyone have any experience with amsn and the lame snack library? [17:51] if you don't agree with it, you aren't allowed to run the product [17:51] i don't see them prosecuting those who modify their iPods / iMacs, they just get no support [17:51] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@adsl-65-43-224-235.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:51] especially that one who was selling unlocked iPhones, i don't see anyone being sued [17:51] TwinReverb: and those who jailbreak iphones? [17:51] TwinReverb: errr, do you know, they're trying to make jailbreaking illegal [17:51] even when done by the end user? [17:51] i think the eula should be the first thing you see BEFORE you buy hardware or software so that you arent forced to open the box only to discover you disagree with the terms and have to go do a return.. [17:52] Okay, i think i just officially topped Antiwire's pic. http://imagebin.org/58235 [17:52] testsubject (n=puppy@adsl-65-43-224-235.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] http://www.cb1.com/~john/computing/emacs/handsfree/pedals.html [17:52] :p [17:52] It's a shame he's not hear to see it. [17:52] agentc0re|work: :) [17:52] s/hear/here [17:52] agentc0re|work: and O&O defrag, defrag by access time :) [17:53] o.O surely someone would've thought to defrag that on a scheduled basis [17:53] david_ (n=david@pool-71-175-35-38.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [17:53] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:53] TwinReverb: It's an old POS DC that i am getting rid of. I'm just letting it die. [17:54] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:54] oh, firefox sucks [17:54] I'll go for: killall -9 firefox-bin [17:55] alienbob is the man!!!!! thank you for your help!!!! you don't know me but you responded to my email request and saved my a** [17:56] Camarade_Tux, here ff is hanging a lot more that used to [17:56] hmmm, "slackware, we have our rockstars too" [17:56] more than one, I'm sure [17:56] rrh__ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [17:56] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:56] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] hi, do I need fuse (file system in userspace library) enabled at boot for the common user? [17:58] YellowDeep: I changed the times for the download notifications and it kept a 1px download notication thing, it kept on using 400MHz of power for hours and when I wanted to close firefox to reopen it, firefox gave me the dialog box it shows when it won't save your tabs (that's when you have mutliple windows opened, downloads, source code, prefs, anything), and that was because of that download notification [17:58] flame_me: if you want them to mount ntfs partitions, yes [17:58] (mount them with ntfs-3g that is) [17:58] can I still download from ntfs partitions? [17:59] without fuse [17:59] Camarade_Tux, why not close download window ? [17:59] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-166.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [17:59] Guest97058 (n=eddie@pool-141-149-49-94.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] thanks Tovarish Tux :) [17:59] YellowDeep: I couldn't, there was only a 1px border, a fail in itself [17:59] flame_me: lol :p [18:00] YellowDeep: and I couldn't move it either [18:00] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:00] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:01] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:01] Camarade_Tux, didnt u have the dowload in your taskbar ? [18:02] yeah, cpu is 6 or 7C cooler since I stopped and restarted firefox >< [18:02] YellowDeep: a toolbar? where? 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[18:03] i cant see it [18:03] u sure hide it well :D [18:03] pprkut: ok, so applying debian's patches from here: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/grep/grep_2.5.4-4.diff.gz [18:04] YellowDeep: and wasn't in alt+tab [18:04] YellowDeep: I told you, no toolbar ;) [18:04] yeah :) [18:04] pprkut: that actually seems to fix it, it's still slower, but it's now 0.3 seconds instead of 40+ seconds [18:05] Action: Camarade_Tux checks the patch [18:05] so over 100x speedup, I can live with it [18:05] Urchlay: that would match me results, I think [18:06] grrr, mixed patches [18:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) left irc: [18:06] hate debian [18:06] david_ (n=david@pool-71-175-35-38.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:06] evening, gentlemen and gentleladies [18:07] Camarade_Tux: that's the spirit ;) [18:07] evening amazon10x [18:07] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Camarade_Tux: you apply their _diff.gz patch to the source, then look in the newly-created debian/patches/ dir for the actual patches. I got rid of 02-man_rgrep.patch (rgrep is something else in Slackware) and 75-dfa_calloc.patch (claims to already be applied by one of the earlier patches), then applied them in order [18:07] Urchlay: bigfile isn't relevant either afaict [18:07] case_fold is maybe [18:07] hmmm, they have timestamps [18:08] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [18:08] 64-egf-speedup [18:08] that one by itself *does not* fix it [18:08] despite the obvious-seeming name [18:09] ntfs3g uses fuse? i never even knew i had fuse installed... [18:10] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [18:11] actually not this one [18:11] yeah [18:11] wow, it seems to be completely transparent to the user [18:11] Action: yesyes approves [18:11] and, holy crap! [18:11] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] Urchlay: the dfa* ones [18:12] + /* Written August 1992 by Mike Haertel. */ [18:12] *1992*! [18:12] yeah, and the other patches seem to depend on those, too [18:12] =/ [18:12] sure it's not only for the line numbers? [18:13] possibly, but diff's pretty smart about that [18:13] and debian's grep depends on pcre :) [18:13] Urchlay: not if the offset is too big [18:13] sQuEE (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:13] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) joined ##slackware. [18:13] well I'm looking for the minimum set of patches that'll fix my problem [18:14] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE62CB.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [18:14] Urchlay: should be the dfa* [18:14] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [18:15] wow, a woman with electronic eyes :o [18:15] actually, if I apply only 64-egf-speedup.patch and 65-dfa-optional.patch, it fixes the speed problem [18:15] the 1992 dfa.* patches don't affect it (at least not in this specific testcase) [18:15] sup buddies [18:16] hey [18:17] anyway I'm happy with the results, unless I find out later that my grep is now broken in some other way due to the patches... [18:18] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:19] Urchlay: you should really poke the mailing-list [18:19] which? the GNU grep one? [18:19] yeah [18:20] I'm a nobody, why would they listen to me? Those guys would give well-reasoned arguments why those patches are inappropriate, and me not being an expert on grep (and not being OCD enough to ever become as expert as them), I won't be able to fight back [18:20] UGH [18:20] now i know why people hate linux [18:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431640.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Camarade_Tux: I expect that's what would happen because I've been on the other side of it (the OCD guy going "we don't need a patch because...") [18:21] http://www.surrealgirl.com/dsc05941.jpg [18:21] someone tell me wtf is going on [18:22] why is it that this livecd works on every pc except this one? why is this mobo so ****ing picky? [18:22] does it have a memory corruption problem? [18:23] i'd run a memory test on it [18:23] Urchlay: except your grep has *NO* patch, except lost of people can reproduce it (even rworkma*), must be a problem they should deal with [18:23] the memory is fine [18:23] i can play games on it [18:23] i did memtest86 a month ago [18:23] perfectloy fine [18:23] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) joined ##slackware. [18:23] hello guys [18:23] finally both cards working and nat now working [18:24] im going to beat dhcp server now [18:24] Action: webbi cross fingers [18:24] missyjane: doesn't seem like a know kernel-oops [18:24] missyjane: how old is the computer? and try to boot the kernel with the noacpi kernel parameter [18:25] its NEW [18:25] 2008-2009 model [18:25] i wouldn't bother with noacpi parameter unless the box was made in 2000 or older [18:25] im gonna get my friend to blog about this shit - "DONT BUY THIS SHITTY MOBO" [18:25] gonna try knoppiox [18:26] knoppix, its supposed to work with every goddamn mobo on the planet [18:26] it could be just your motherboard, not something that's common to all of them [18:26] could be a manufacturing defect on yours alone [18:26] TwinReverb: yeah, I'd try it though, could be bad dsdt tables or something stupid like that [18:26] and nothing is guaranteed to work on all machines [18:26] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [18:26] (there must be a reason windows doesn't start the install with acpi) [18:26] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [18:26] that's windows though :P [18:27] but manufacturers would give them workarounds for hardware defects, so if they still don't manage with that... ;) [18:28] apparently this mobo LOVES windows [18:28] I HOPE BILL GATES DIE [18:28] that's not nice :P [18:28] it's not his fault companies put out krappy products 8-) [18:28] I HATE WINDOWS ONLY MOBO [18:28] how is it not? [18:28] >:( [18:28] but his company also puts out a krappy product so .... 8-) [18:29] Steve Ballmer would be the new guy to hate [18:29] >_> [18:29] missyjane: might be wort a new kernel oops imho [18:29] steve ballmer was roommate with bill gates [18:29] hating is a waste of time [18:29] danklesman++ [18:29] It's not nice to hope for someone to die. :P [18:29] missyjane: laptop or desktop computer? [18:29] you're using Linux, be grateful. [18:29] Camarade_Tux, you dont get it, THATS NOT THE ONLY ONE, slackware, ultimatebootcd, etc does NOT work either [18:29] desktop [18:29] sudo missyjane --calm-down [18:29] :P [18:29] TwinReverb: and slackwware linux no less. :D [18:29] missyjane: yeah, I think it might be worth reporting to kernel.org [18:29] what's the kernel parameter to enable the broken IRQ workaround? [18:30] and honestly it could be a faulty optical drive, i think i had one once do that stuff [18:30] missyjane: which slackware have you tried btw? (I'm looking for kernel version actually) [18:30] ALL [18:30] i believe intel dg965ry [18:30] AVOID THIS MOBO [18:31] missyjane: boot with vga=0xxx (hold one second), that would give a longer backtrace [18:31] ugh no [18:31] not worth my effort [18:31] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:31] takes a second [18:31] what is the screen max resolution? [18:31] only ^ [18:32] missyjane: add vga=0x31B if the screen can do 1280x1024 [18:32] Shift & page up will scroll up in the console missyjane [18:32] Pig_Pen: even for kernel panics? [18:32] lol ugh no im tired [18:32] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.129.236) left irc: "Leaving." [18:32] not sure about that, i have not had a kernel panic in a long long time [18:33] missyjane: ='( [18:33] look [18:33] http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php?title=Linux_on_DG965RY_HOWTO&oldid=2548 [18:33] it turns out im not the only one [18:33] Out of all the software mentioned above, none of them except for Fedora Core 6 even proceeded further than the CDROM detection stage. The DG965RY board uses the Marvell PATA chipset which is not supported by the linux at the moment ( [18:33] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:33] monstro (n=monstro@201-26-12-223.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [18:33] All the distros would boot and then fail to detect a valid installation disk in the drive. [18:33] see? ALL [18:33] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.160.88) joined ##slackware. [18:34] maybe a generica pata driver? does linux have a generic pata driver? [18:34] AVOID THIS MOBO AT ALL COST IF YOU VALUE YOUR HAIR [18:34] suse10, fedora6, ubuntu6, did you try with 12.x or -current? [18:34] i tried *EVERY OPTION* [18:34] missyjane: what if you're bald already? :P [18:34] phoenix^, lol... not sure [18:34] Camarade_Tux, i tried ALL [18:34] i tried cd that were MEANT to boot crap mobo like this [18:35] "all-generic-ide irqpoll pci=nommconf" [18:35] but well, the page gives a possible work-around too [18:35] it's the marvell pata chipset that Linux has no support for [18:35] and this is likely due to the CD-ROM being on the IDE while your hard drives on the SATA [18:35] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:35] missyjane: do you know if the kernel oops (the message from the kernel) is always the same? [18:36] one possible solution: get an SATA CD-ROM drive [18:36] booting with all-generic-ide should help (as shown above) [18:36] mine is set up that way and i have Slackware working great, Sata harddrive with pata cdrom & pata dvd [18:36] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:37] missyjane: have you tried switching drive mode to AHCI (form IDE)? [18:37] TwinReverb: better: boot on an usb key [18:37] yeah if you can, maybe [18:37] but then you need something to install from [18:37] *everything* my child, EVERYTHING [18:37] booting from the same USB key, sure, but pxi gets a bit hairy with larger USB sticks [18:37] lol [18:38] Action: missyjane stabs someone [18:38] Action: TwinReverb is now known as someone[DEAD] [18:38] lol [18:38] \o/ [18:38] you can stab me if you want to missyjane [18:38] question, im trying to run a dhcp server... there is no rc.dhcpd file, i found in internet examples of this file... do i need to create it? or there is some other way to enable it at startup? [18:38] [in bed] [18:38] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] missyjane: s/someone/Camarade_Tux/ :D [18:38] D: NO [18:38] phoenix^: why not you, you'd come back [18:38] Camarade_Tux: haha, yeah, that's true. [18:38] if i stab Camarade_Tux, i would have noone else to show my bewbs to and be worshipped for it [18:39] :O [18:39] ^^ [18:39] i just want a mugshot, nevermind the boobs & skin [18:39] mugshot? she's been in jail/prison? :P [18:39] LOL i showed Camarade_Tux and a few others [18:39] xD so ask them [18:40] a face pic [18:40] if they didnt break my trust, i think youll find a way to believe me, muahaha [18:40] face pic = mugshot (not neccessarily jail/prison photo) [18:40] I know. j/k :) [18:41] missyjane: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&ChannelID=13179248 is that you? [18:41] mugshot: a photograph of usually a person's head and especially face ; specifically : a police photograph of a suspect's face or profile [18:41] behold the power of internet search engines [18:41] webbi: see the "start at boot" at http://www.vendocomp.com/Howtos/DHCP.php [18:41] (for instance) [18:42] Camarade_Tux: yes, that's the one im reading... but i didnt know if it was necessary to create the file or maybe that is out of date [18:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-174-48-78-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:42] agentc0re|work: not the proper location afaik [18:43] Camarade_Tux: ok i will create it then [18:43] LOL [18:43] webbi: there is no reference to 'dhcpd' in /etc/rc.d so there is no reason it'd try to start dhcpd.conf [18:43] that girl does look like me though on the left :x [18:44] is that you missyjane ? [18:44] hm maybe [18:44] Pig_Pen, no i dont have myspace [18:44] i also dont keep my pics in the public [18:44] (she only have sexpace -_- ) [18:44] lol [18:44] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:44] but she always wears a mask [18:44] post one on imagebin, it will be deleted by imagebin as soon as the newer pics push it off the front page [18:45] NO [18:45] Camarade_Tux: "my webcam? did you read the rules?" [18:45] i dont trust 90% of you [18:45] lol [18:45] imagebin deletes images after 7 days. [18:45] darn~ [18:45] ;) [18:45] which 10% of me do you trust? [18:45] that's ok, we dont trust you either :) [18:45] missyjane: it means you trust about 28 persons in that channel :D [18:45] lol give or take [18:45] your math is good Camarade_Tux [18:45] DTA, don't trust anybody. [18:46] Camarade_Tux: out of 295. :P [18:46] Urchlay: probably not the 10% you want her to trust :P [18:46] haha [18:46] she trusts straterr* and thrice* [18:46] Action: Camarade_Tux hides [18:46] lol wtf [18:47] Action: phoenix^ trips Camarade_Tux [18:47] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:47] Camarade_Tux, i dont see the solution at all [18:47] on how to get around that [18:47] Camarade_Tux: all 28 of the people that she trusts have never spoken a word in here is what I'm betting [18:47] phoenix^: I'm in the locker, come in <3 [18:47] quasar: I would drink to that guess. [18:47] quasar, i trust some enough that i offered webcam [18:47] quasar: he :p [18:47] Action: phoenix^ sends missyjane into Camarade_Tux's locker. :D [18:48] i think i asked Camarade_Tux to get on webcam but dont remember the response [18:48] missyjane: well, the command-line parameteres mentionend, and if you can reliably get the same kernel messages, you should post it on bugzilla.kernel.org [18:48] missyjane: he said his mother was home at the time and couldn't. :P [18:48] Action: phoenix^ runs [18:48] missyjane: borken driver [18:48] o [18:48] Camarade_Tux, will ig et famous or any reward for it? D: [18:48] wait wait wait... What kind of "webcam" viewing are we talking about here? [18:49] agentc0re, nothing perverted [18:49] lol [18:49] testsubject (n=puppy@adsl-65-43-224-235.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net) left ##slackware ("tactical retreat"). [18:49] haha [18:49] missyjane: you might get your name in the kernel changelog :D [18:49] :O!!!!!!!!! [18:49] Action: missyjane rushes to do it [18:49] ^^ [18:49] NqqmNet (n=bambam@87.120.157.27) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] heh, okay. I only asked because i could never imagine that type of girl using Slackware.. [18:49] missyjane: yeah,, you'll get your place in the irc hall of fame [18:49] Shit, even linux at all. [18:50] winterx: there's a irc hall of fame? [18:50] sure [18:50] I know there's a hall of shame (noobfarm.org) :D [18:50] fame, shame, what's the difference? [18:50] in the eyes of irc .. none. [18:51] agentc0re|work: Alright, here's your mission, find all the girls that use linux and see what type of girls they are. :D [18:51] lol [18:51] Urchlay: the hall of fame is on noobsharm.org [18:51] im getting pissed [18:51] Action: Camarade_Tux really hides [18:51] so i dont see what workaround [18:51] maybe you'll find some on #woman [18:51] any of you use jdownloader in kde4? here it freezes X [18:51] phoenix^: http://noobfarm.org/?id=1587 Who were you talking about? [18:51] don't forget, #ubuntu-women, with christel in it :D [18:52] SOMEONE SHOW ME THE WORKAROUND CAUSE IM BLIND [18:52] phoenix^: found one! http://cdn.10dailythings.com/images/linuxBody.jpg [18:52] :D [18:52] agentc0re: hahahaha [18:52] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] s/blind/blonde/ ? :P [18:53] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.60.185) joined ##slackware. [18:53] missyjane: Do you have Tape, a toothpick and bubble gum? [18:53] missyjane: tried the kernel boot paramter? [18:53] agentc0re|work: She's missyjane, not MacGuyver. :P [18:54] lol [18:54] phoenix^: lol [18:54] >:( [18:54] im getting desperate [18:54] omg [18:54] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:54] missyjane: Well if you do, throw them away with your motherboard. :P [18:54] Camarade_Tux: that page says to add the exec of the rc.dhcp file on rc.local.... but if it's in /etc/rc.d with 0755 perms, it should be automatically executed ? [18:54] Camarade_Tux, what boot parameter? noapic and noacpi? [18:54] yes i tried [18:55] missyjane: Have you tried turning that stuff off in the bios? what about the MPS Version? [18:55] [18:55] sigh [18:55] missyjane, so what kind of camera do you have that names all the files in lower case? [18:55] missyjane: no: all-generic-ide [18:55] Nick change: TClayton_ -> TClayton [18:55] it was mentionned in the page you linked to [18:55] (and on another page I just found) [18:56] lol, I was checking out some Jeff Dunham clips (Walter) "I think my house is haunted" "Why?" "My wife lives there." :P [18:56] webbi: no file in /etc/rc.d will be automatically executed, you have to call it from another script such as rc.local [18:56] all-genericde? [18:56] no didnt try that [18:56] powtrix: haha [18:56] and yhes i did turn it off [18:56] Camarade_Tux: ok, and it's wrong if i exec it from rc.inet2 ? i think that is more appropiated [18:56] "treat sata as ide" somethingl ike that [18:57] TwinReverb, its a sony camera [18:57] agentc0re, what do you mean MPS? [18:57] I read a joke a few days ago: someone ran over his wife by accident, the question is why was he driving his car in the kitchen [18:57] :D [18:57] webbi: rc.local [18:57] haha [18:57] Camarade_Tux: hahhaahahaha [18:57] Camarade_Tux: ok i will go in rc.local then [18:58] kitchen, I thought it was a drive thru. [18:58] :P [18:58] I just wanted a sammich. [18:59] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:59] missyjane: woot :) [18:59] hi guys i got my hugemem kernel working i m very happy i got 24GB ram working on my Dell box thanks a lot specially mingdao his document on kernel help me a lot [19:00] missyjane: or not [19:00] Punker (i=1000@unaffiliated/punker) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] i want to make a rescue image using mkrescue but its not working [19:00] missyjane, really? what kind? [19:00] WOW [19:00] i hit f1 to get into "boot:" [19:00] missyjane: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0609.2/0371.html [19:00] then i hit "knoppix all-generic-ide" and it doesnt work [19:00] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [19:00] missyjane: syslinux magic [19:01] missyjane: try f2 and f3 :p [19:01] TwinReverb, its old and nobody bothered helping me so :| [19:01] when i plug in my headphones sound is still coming out from my laptop, is there a way to avoid this? [19:01] i tried that, takes me to the same "boot:" [19:01] missyjane, did you type the rest of that line? "all-generic-ide irqpoll pci=nommconf" [19:01] Known issue. I've already sent Linus fixes for that, but he hasn't merged them yet. [19:02] oh nay lemme write that down i cant possibly remember all that [19:02] sigh why does this mobo suck so badly [19:03] missyjane: seems it is linux breakage actually [19:03] hmm, git log [19:04] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.144.197) joined ##slackware. [19:04] ugh nope [19:04] doesnt work [19:04] Camarade_Tux: currently compiling latest CVS of GNU grep [19:05] its NOT LINUX [19:05] its the mobo [19:05] and no that command doesnt work [19:05] Camarade_Tux: ...and it's painfully slow just like unpatched 2.5.4 was [19:05] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [19:05] missyjane: install one of the Free/Net/Open/BSD flavors on it [19:05] webbi_ (n=webi@190.247.201.22) joined ##slackware. [19:06] NO [19:06] Urchlay: :) [19:06] >< [19:06] AHHHHHHHHHHHH [19:06] YES! [19:06] i tried freebsd btw [19:06] doesnt work [19:06] lol [19:06] Camarade_Tux: from the grep homepage: The current roadmap for GNU grep has been laid out in a 2005-03-08 post by Stepan Kasal on the bug-grep mailing list entitled Plan for grep: Our main goal for grep 2.5.2 is to get sane performance with utf-8. [19:06] webbi_ (n=webi@190.247.201.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] That can be achieved by the patches written by Tim Waugh for Red Hat. [19:07] Camarade_Tux ? [19:07] the maintainer posted that 4.5 years ago, yet the patches haven't made it into CVS yet [19:07] so anyone? :( [19:07] afaik it should be because the mobo is not completely like most others and linux doesn't have proper driver support [19:07] so it is both the os and the hardware ;) [19:07] the tao told us so -_- [19:07] powtrix ? [19:08] What about 2.6.31 development? [19:08] Urchlay: hahaha :p [19:08] you talk to me? [19:08] webbi_ (n=webi@190.247.201.22) joined ##slackware. [19:08] so shall I conclude that he's (a) incompetent, (b) too busy to work on grep, or (c) got run over by a bus and nobody saw the obituary? [19:08] That has support for more mobos and quirks [19:08] guys how i do to remove "webbi" ? it halt there [19:08] powtrix: hmmm :D [19:09] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [19:09] powtrix: blame phoenix^ -_- [19:09] worng nick eh? [19:09] yes [19:09] my connection halt and it's still there [19:09] i want to logout that and login again with "webbi" [19:10] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:10] ok [19:10] so am i screwed? [19:10] . [19:10] webbi_: see /ghost [19:11] or something like that :D [19:11] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:11] this is freaking awesome [19:11] yeah, /ghost [19:11] missyjane: what chipset is on that motherboard? [19:11] antiwire: wut? [19:11] missyjane, u a kernel dev ? [19:11] I setup openvpn to automagically push new routes with more specific masks so that now all my traffic is automagically routed through the VPN as soon as it starts up [19:12] dns and everything [19:12] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:12] YellowDeep, no [19:12] YellowDeep, what makes you say that? [19:13] RipVanWinkle, check out or google dg965ry intel [19:13] Known issue. I've already sent Linus fixes for that, but he hasn't merged them yet. [19:13] ok, thanks [19:13] YellowDeep, some problems are easy to fix, even with zero programming knowledge :P [19:14] xattack (n=enrique@lidsol.fi-b.unam.mx) joined ##slackware. [19:14] YellowDeep: I think she was pasting what someone else said, in a forum post [19:14] like KQEMU being crap by missing the line: #include [19:14] i guess u wont mess with code then [19:14] XD [19:14] webbi__ (n=webi@190.247.201.22) joined ##slackware. [19:14] crap [19:14] now i have two [19:14] how should i use ghost? [19:15] Syntax: GHOST [password] [19:15] NthDegree: great [19:15] YellowDeep: she was quoting Andi Kleen [19:15] so try /msg NickServ GHOST webbi webbispassword [19:15] ^^ [19:15] oh , k , thanks [19:15] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:15] /ns ghost user pwd [19:16] Nick change: webbi__ -> webbi [19:16] ^^ [19:16] great [19:16] NthDegree: thanks ! [19:16] dhcp working :) [19:17] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:18] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:18] question, when i update the dhpcd config... i restart it, the clients need to re-ask the dhcp server to update the info ? [19:19] it sounds logic, but just to be sure [19:19] thank god [19:19] this shitty mobo is not mine [19:20] omg [19:20] Camarade_Tux: I was hoping that fixing my grep problem would fix the dircolors slowdown, but it doesn't [19:20] testing 1, 2. [19:20] I think I'm experiencing some random wifi lag [19:21] Urchlay: hmmm, sure it's using the "new" grep? [19:21] it is [19:21] actually it doesn't use grep at all, anyway [19:22] but I've narrowed down the dircolors problem to something even more of a head-scratcher [19:22] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:22] missyjane: it seems you'd have to boot with 'pci=nommconf' (and add it to the custom kernel params during install) [19:22] in any shell, "time echo $LS_COLORS > /dev/null" says 1.5sec real time [19:22] and I'm pretty confident that one would work [19:22] Urchlay: huh [19:22] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Connection timed out [19:22] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:22] G4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [19:23] $LS_COLORS is 1681 bytes long, not exactly huge. Setting LANG=C doesn't help. [19:23] 0.021s without even sending it to /dev/null [19:23] RJz0r (n=taterz@lawlz.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:23] RJz0r (n=taterz@lawlz.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] 0.021 ? [19:23] 0.001 here [19:24] further, if I assign a string of 1681 "x" characters to a variable, then echo it, it runs instantly [19:24] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:25] but if I "foo=$LS_COLORS ; echo $foo", it takes 1.5sec again [19:25] oddsock (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:25] and you know what? I think I just figured out what the problem is! [19:25] Urchlay: what is the output of locale? all to en_gr.UTF-8 except LC_COLLATE=C and LC_ALL=""? [19:25] Urchlay: :) [19:26] LANG=en_us.UTF-8 and LC_COLLATE=C, none of the others set [19:26] the problem: $LS_COLORS contains lots of wildcard patterns, like "*.bat=01;32:*.BAT=01;32:*.btm=01;32:*.BTM=01;32:*.cmd=01;32:*.CMD=01;32:*.com=01" etc etc [19:27] when I echo it, it tries to expand the wildcards. My home dir has thousands of files in it, so it takes a while to do wildcard expansion [19:27] if I "cd / ; echo $LS_COLORS" it runs instantly (not so many files in / to try to expand) [19:27] so, if you cd somewhere else? [19:28] heret|c (n=heretic@c-68-32-70-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:28] right. or enclose in double-quotes: echo "$LS_COLORS" # instant, no matter where I am [19:28] webbi_ (n=webi@190.247.201.22) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:28] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Urchlay: btw, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/0NyJbq80.html [19:29] sleepy [19:29] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [19:29] Action: quasar throws some redbull and vodka at Camarade_Tux [19:29] Camarade_Tux: IIRC, I read somewhere that if LANG is set, but the LC_* ones aren't, it has the same effect as setting them all to the same thing as LANG is set to [19:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] Urchlay: dunno, and I've never set LC_TELEPHONE or anything like that ;) [19:30] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [19:30] I don't really understand how LC_MONETARY works anyway. Sure, it means "use a $ sign for money" if you're in the US, or a £ sign in the UK, etc [19:30] /c/c [19:30] bah [19:31] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:31] Urchlay: ',' as a separator instead of '.' too [19:31] and, here the money symbol is after the value [19:31] but if I print a currency symbol followed by some digits, is it smart enough to figure in currency exchange rates? (if not, it's worse than useless! If I say $5.00 and it prints £5.00, that's worse than getting it wrong!) [19:31] like 10$, not $10 [19:32] er, I mean, worse than doing nothing [19:32] Urchlay: no idea :p [19:32] but I think it's not too idiot ;) [19:32] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] (it *is* getting it wrong unless $1 happens to equal £1, which I think has never been true in all history) [19:34] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] rworkman: you following the discussion (or monologue) about coreutils-dircolors.sh? [19:36] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:37] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Camarade_Tux, whats wrong with that? [19:39] missyjane: with mmconf? [19:39] Billtoo_ (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:40] Urchlay chairs are more intelligent than some people [19:40] eh, what was that in reference to? [19:40] 01:30 < Urchlay> er, I mean, worse than doing nothing [19:40] ah [19:40] cifs over the internet inside of openvpn... [19:41] not so hot [19:41] well I try to use only chairs that only do nothing :) [19:41] missyjane: it seems disabling mmconfig is safe for you [19:41] i mean, a chair will never make any mistake [19:41] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:41] brb [19:42] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:42] there was a chair here that made the mistake of breaking when I leaned back in it (and I'm really not *that* overweight, either) [19:43] Urchlay: mistake was maded by it's designer or maker [19:43] or by your fat ass [19:43] brb [19:43] winterx: no, by Urchlay, the mistake was sitting on the chair [19:43] lol [19:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [19:43] actually the mistake was made by the owner, for owning a wooden chair that's probably 40 years old and should have been thrown away before now... [19:44] I just moved in here, I can be excused for not knowing the furniture all sucks [19:44] anybody know a nice bind tutorial? to setup a local dns server? [19:45] KingTarquin (n=Tarquin@82-43-240-117.cable.ubr03.pres.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:45] webbi: the default /etc/named.conf on slackware is a caching-only local DNS server... or did you want something else? [19:45] webbi: are you sure you want to use bind? how complex does it need to be? [19:45] Urchlay: well i want to setup a new zone [19:46] dnsmasq might be better [19:46] ah [19:46] antiwire: so simple, i just need to add a new zone [19:46] antiwire: i have an old server here which have it setted up, but it's too old [19:46] julf (n=julf@softbank219202154182.bbtec.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] webbi: do you already use bind? [19:46] antiwire: yes, but a lot of time ago [19:46] hmm [19:46] antiwire: a loooot [19:46] shpendk (n=shpendk@80.80.162.252) left irc: "I'm off here" [19:46] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@202.174.145.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:46] webbi: in the named.conf file, copy the localhost zone entry, edit it as needed (zone "mydomain.com" IN, etc) [19:46] julf (n=julf@softbank219202154182.bbtec.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:47] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:47] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] Urchlay: ok, but what about the /var/named/cached/ files? [19:47] webbi: change the 'file' line to some other file, then create a zone file (you can copy localhost.zone and edit it, if you know what you're doing) [19:48] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:48] Urchlay: well that's the problem i dont remember very well [19:48] Urchlay: i will take a look and try [19:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:48] if you don't know what you're doing, http://www.langfeldt.net/DNS-HOWTO/BIND-9/DNS-HOWTO-5.html looks like a halfway decent tutorial [19:49] Urchlay: im just curious, i found that the zone "." includes file named.ca and before i remember always used named.root [19:49] Urchlay: it's the same? [19:49] Urchlay: great! opening! thanks! [19:50] webbi: read the whole thing before you copy/paste from it, there's a deliberate error in one of the examples (which is corrected later, to show you what the error was & how to fix it) [19:50] Urchlay: ohh ok! [19:50] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] named.ca and named.root are just different names for the same data [19:51] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] anyway you don't need to be messing with the "." zone, and you don't use named.root in a normal zone [19:51] Camarade_Tux, sorry trying to reproduce the error, reproduced it 5 times [19:51] im gonna take a break [19:51] There is so much confidential data going across the public hotspot. People just don't know/get it. [19:52] missyjane: just one thing: tried with mmconf thingy? [19:53] alienBOB: ping? [19:53] Urchlay: great, thanks for clarify [19:54] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:54] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:54] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Does the kernel create an entry in sys or proc that I can cat and see the iptables forwarding connections? [19:56] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] antiwire, lsof [19:56] antiwire: yes, but I'm damned if I remember where :( [19:56] or start logging [19:56] lsof won't help if they're forwarded to another machine [19:56] how is lsof going to help me/ [19:56] Camarade_Tux, no [19:57] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] missyjane: try that one, it is very likely to work [19:58] does conntrack keep that? [19:58] missyjane: just to remind you, it's pci=nommconf [19:58] mancha: If I was natting, maybe [19:58] this is just a forwarding setup [19:59] >:( and if it doesnt? [20:00] mancha: bingo, you're right [20:00] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Success [20:00] mancha: even without nat [20:00] cat /proc/net/nf_conntrack [20:00] sweet. [20:01] good deal. [20:01] nope it doesnt work [20:01] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [20:01] Night [20:01] hi fire|bird [20:01] missyjane: I'll kiss you on the cheek? :p [20:03] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:03] you know she has 4 cheeks...which one dude?!?! [20:03] Camarade_Perv [20:04] Camarade_Tux, LOL my butt, my head [20:05] he probably kissed my butt [20:05] does Old_fogie still come around here? [20:06] haven't seen him in a long time [20:06] i wonder [20:06] mustve retired [20:06] missyjane: all four? :) [20:06] mancha: I think he lurks under a pseudo [20:06] here she comes, walking down the street, get the funniest looks from everyone she meets, hey hey is missyjane :D [20:06] *nod* [20:07] http://www.freezedown.org/juice/dscn1258.jpg [20:07] mancha: he got mad at the channel one night because either his router setup was vulnerable to the IRC DCC exploit and he thought people in here did it on purpose specifically to him [20:07] mancha: some dude just joined the channel and spammed it and like 3 people died [20:08] he rejoined and got pissed [20:08] the ctcp ^-A thing? [20:08] yep [20:08] actually this one was a DCC string issue [20:08] Camarade_Tux, missyjane is not a girl, just fyi [20:08] her name is tom [20:09] drijen: proof? [20:09] really dude [20:09] girls on the internet? [20:09] it's only on freenode [20:09] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [20:09] http://gamesnet.vo.llnwd.net/o1/gamestar/objects/138360_main.jpg [20:09] im gonna be as nice as i can about this [20:09] holy ****ing shit [20:10] kde4 is amazing [20:10] :o [20:10] two weeks a go, I spoke to a friend's girlfriend, she used irc, but not on freenode, she didn't know that network [20:10] Xaviertoor (n=Xavierto@noroestenet-F1-0-1-acc04.bhe.embratel.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:10] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:10] RipVanWinkle, :( [20:10] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:10] i gotta take a nap for 20 years [20:11] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Camarade_Tux, LOL another guy that fell for the tom thing hahahh [20:11] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [20:11] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:12] Billtoo_ (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [20:13] well, night everytong [20:13] bah [20:13] night *everyone* [20:13] Action: quasar waves [20:13] night Camarade_Tux [20:14] missyjane: Hey, i left work when you asked about MPS. In the bios there is a Version control for it. 1.2 and 1.4(i think) anyways, when i've had newer mb and have issues i've turned off apci and acpi and also lowered that version numbering down. I've done individually to see which fixes the problem too... give it a shot. [20:14] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [20:15] OK, bug report on coreutils-dircolors.sh sent to PV [20:15] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] I don't know the background on this situation but if it involves ACPI I assume you've tried passing noacpi options to the kernel? [20:16] not sure what to do about the grep + utf-8 mess. Ideally it should be fixed upstream, but it's been on the upstream todo list for almost 5 years without being fixed [20:17] antiwire: So i beat your pic from earlier. http://imagebin.org/58235 [20:17] omfg [20:17] antiwire: Was another DC i checked out today. [20:17] hahaha [20:17] I've been wanting those things today, so i honestly haven't cared much about them. [20:17] s/today/to die [20:17] rworkman, alienBOB, whoever else is listening... send grep bug report + fix to volkerdi or not? [20:18] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:18] Urchlay: I would send it to PV, robby and alien. [20:18] agentc0re: haha does that DC get used often? [20:18] antiwire: Nah.. What would make you think that? ;) [20:19] I find that quite often I'll go into a business and they have server setup as a DC and none of their workstations even log into the doamin [20:19] domain* [20:19] It's really lame to enable all that extra crap if no one really needs it. A standalone server with DNS would be better [20:19] antiwire: The deal is that it's a 2000 DC. Was setup to be the PDC.. but is severly busted. It acts like a DC, is operating like a DC but when i run DCpromo on it, it doesnt think it's a DC. Somehow the Certification Services has fucked with it(apparently they're not supposed to be on the same machine) [20:20] antiwire: And it's causing some issues. [20:20] ouch [20:20] I've seen that same issue [20:20] user37909 (n=ldsldfn@adsl-76-235-51-38.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] antiwire: But the funny thing though is that this DC is the one that saved my butt when the PDC took a fall(hardware issue). [20:20] they don't like you to put the CA on the main DC because if it died you could kill the whole CA and anything in its store [20:21] Here's the screwed up part. I am the one who installed the Cert Services on there. I would think that if i am not supposed to have them on the same machine, it wouldn't let me install it in the first place if it was a DC. [20:21] alejo (n=alejo@190.71.29.158) joined ##slackware. [20:21] yeah I said that exact same thing too [20:21] because i did the same thing... [20:21] antiwire: Well it's not a PDC anymore.. Hasn't been for quite some time because of other weird issues i've had with it. [20:22] antiwire: Yeah, it's BS. It only tells you after you've installed it.. WTF? [20:22] it's a mess to fix. if i remember correctly you have to mess with the global catalog in recovery mode [20:22] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [20:22] antiwire: Anyhoot, domain is a bit of a fluster right now... I am waiting to get approval to buy 2008 so i can rebuild the whole thing. [20:22] nice [20:23] agentc0re: I suppose I will... only reason I hesitate is that Slackware doesn't use UTF-8 by default (the only people affected by the grep bug are the ones who, like me, ignore the warning in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh about how some programs won't work with UTF-8) [20:23] Being able to start fresh with the windows DC is nice [20:23] The only DC i built was the one i REBUILT and just now died. It was a box built by the last admin... all of his custom boxes have sucked ass rather badly. [20:24] brb, need to test for DNS leaks again [20:24] after using Linux and *BSD I didnt notice how Piece of crap os windows was... [20:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [20:24] Urchlay: Only reason i say that is because i've seen them tell others to do that when they have a legit bug. [20:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:24] all good. [20:25] I have to make sure to fix up resolv.conf after the VPN starts and before I execute any networked applications [20:25] antiwire: I was going through asiedit today and found quite a few records that shouldn't be there... I can only imagine how many that are more cryptic to me probably fall under the same fate. [20:25] antiwire: When i first picked up as admin here there were 5 DC's... [20:25] wtf.. [20:25] geez. [20:25] how big is this place? [20:26] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Connection timed out [20:26] interesting (or ironic maybe), the grep bug causes grep to run slow as hell... and the buggy grep is 25% faster if it's a 64-bit binary :) [20:26] It sounds like someone decided that every server is better if it is a DC [20:26] lol [20:26] i have a max of 150 users. [20:26] depending on the layout and the needs, I'd consider a max of 2 DCs for that [20:26] maybe 3 if they had special needs [20:27] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [20:27] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:27] alright guise [20:28] im gonna install kde4 and im gonna make a user so that the kde4 is only for that user, how do i do that? :D [20:28] each user can run xwmconfig on their own [20:29] :O yeah and i gottainstall kde4 to that user so i can test kde4 :x [20:29] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:29] antiwire: I reduced it to 2. Before me they had 3 offices. Main, sister1 and sister2. sister1 was a large office with a bonded T1. That was justification to have a DC there because their connection probably was slow. But probably it wasn't really needed. It's the only one i could justify in my head though. [20:30] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.135.116) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:30] missyjane, i think u need to create a special .xinitrc for that user [20:30] when sister1 broke into two offices, it was left with one and the new office got a new one. Mind you that office also got a DS3 connection... [20:30] settam (n=root@189.115.87.41) joined ##slackware. [20:31] missyjane: If you're creating a new user, just install kde4, then as that new user run xwmconfig as that user, choose kde, and that's it. When you login as the user you're using right now, you'll still get whatever de/wm you're using now and the new user will login to kde4. [20:31] sister2 had like 4 people in the office... and never at the same time.. They didn't do crap. They had a T1 and it was fine for what they did.. until they got all psyched about getting digital ECHO's(ultrasound images). [20:31] It was around there when the old guy got fired and i replaced him... knowing nothing.. [20:32] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.45.105) joined ##slackware. [20:32] lol [20:32] get to walk into a mess [20:32] and that's certainly no small mess [20:32] antiwire: The people i worked for at the time were contractors... They didn't get any prior information to take the job. [20:32] they just took it. [20:32] and i got screwed. [20:32] it's definitely a medium sized mess [20:33] agentc0re: do you have an Exchange server? [20:33] Yup. 2000. [20:33] i hate exchange servers [20:33] lol [20:33] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:33] I've suggested moving away from it.. but i always get crap for it. [20:34] whenever possible, I suggest small businesses to outsource email [20:34] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [20:34] i have a postfix server that handles the incomming though. :) It's my secondary spam filter. My FW (untangle.com) has a built in spam feature that uses spam assassin. So my postfix server blocks anyone without a reverse entry. [20:34] It's one of those things that you feel better about when you can yell at someone else when it breaks [20:34] antiwire: hehehe. [20:35] antiwire: TBH, I honestly don't mind exchange. the backend may give you hell but the front end is really feature rich. [20:35] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:35] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [20:35] I think I hate it mostly because I started with Exchange 5.5 [20:35] alejo_ (n=alejo@190.71.37.229) joined ##slackware. [20:36] egad. [20:36] Well 2000 is nice... but times have changed so much that it doesn't fit our needs. [20:37] is 07 the latest? [20:37] LOL, i have to limit exchange mailboxes to 100Mb because exchange 2000 has a 16GB limit and we've exceeded it twice since i've been there. [20:37] antiwire: I've heard of a 2010 that is currently beta [20:38] antiwire: I believe so. I'll be updating to that once i get all my backend software as well. [20:38] I think there has been no version in between [20:38] agentc0re: do you have a bunch of extra modules or something? [20:38] antiwire: Nope, people had a shitload of email. [20:38] really going to bed now :) [20:38] antiwire: everyone uses it for personal reasons.... [20:38] alejo (n=alejo@190.71.29.158) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:39] antiwire: I tried to tell the managers about it... most of them didn't give a shit. [20:39] agentc0re: what other backend stuff do you have? backend studd for exchange? [20:39] stuff* [20:39] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:39] antiwire: That first time i put the limitation up was quite funny though.. "I keep getting these messages in my inbox every 10 MINUTES!!!! It keeps telling me my inbox is too full" [20:39] LOL [20:39] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [20:39] shit i'm about to get booted off the wifi [20:40] 2hr limit. I'll be back on when i get home [20:40] Oh, i mean backed as far as just server OS, and exchange. All my servers right now run 2000. [20:40] ah [20:40] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:40] And i am about to be rid of all my 2000 desktops.. [20:40] well that's good to start fresh [20:41] I really can't wait. [20:41] It'll be nice. [20:41] do you guys use terminal services or citrix or anything like that? [20:41] here it goes, boot time [20:41] see ya [20:41] We have citrix... but it's not used as citrix should be anymore. [20:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [20:42] So i'm going to just replace it with a 2008 terminal server that they can rdp into from home. 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[20:56] Nick change: fire|bird -> Guest88425 [20:56] my eye keeps being drawn towards the red LED on the front of this TV, thinking I left it turned on... but the red light means "I'm turned off" [20:57] Nick change: Guest88425 -> fire|bird [20:57] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-153-104-205.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:57] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:59] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:59] hey hey hey! [21:00] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:00] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-153-104-205.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [21:00] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.45.105) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:01] antiwire: (06:42:09 PM) agentc0re: So i'm going to just replace it with a 2008 terminal server that they can rdp into from home. [21:01] antiwire: (06:42:21 PM) agentc0re: i also am running sql2000.. but i wont be updating that. [21:01] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:01] ah yeah [21:01] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-153-104-205.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:01] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:01] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [21:01] alejo_ (n=alejo@190.71.37.229) left irc: "leaving" [21:02] agentc0re: do you guys have a specific DB guy or do you do that too? [21:02] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Client Quit [21:03] 50/50. Our Vender for our EMR system supports real issues we have for it. However i will monitor it and make sure jobs complete and that it is functional.. etc. [21:03] nice, that's a common deal [21:04] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-153-104-205.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] if I add my user to the group power, I should be able to shutdown from xfce, right? [21:06] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:07] flame_me: correct [21:07] thanks, agentc0re [21:07] antiwire: ya... not too bad. [21:07] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:07] omfg [21:07] http://www.hulu.com/watch/86730/nbc-today-show-building-implosion-goes-wrong?c=News-and-Information [21:07] that is awesom [21:08] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:08] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Client Quit [21:08] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:10] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Client Quit [21:10] Action: TwinReverb has become an ext4 believer [21:11] I have become an OpenVPN believer after using ssh -D for a long time [21:11] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:12] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:12] v4nelle (n=van@78-109-43.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Client Quit [21:13] question... is there any way to update bind accord to ips gaves by dhcp? [21:13] i mean, i have a dhcp server which have a dns server [21:13] i have 3 clients... A, B and C [21:13] they will have different ips, and sometimes it will change [21:13] You can have ISC DHCP update bind, yes [21:14] straterra: interesting... any idea how can i do that? or how can i look for info about how to do it? [21:14] antiwire: LOL. could you imagine living in that Apt. complex? your watching the explosion and then all of a sudden the building rolls towards you.. 911 moment running through your head. [21:14] Google has guides on it [21:14] haha [21:14] straterra: but do it have any special name? or i need to look for "dhcp update bind" ? [21:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [21:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431640.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:21] Billtoo_ (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Billtoo_ (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [21:22] LOL!! http://asianfanatics.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=646039 Btw i didn't find this... Someone posted it in another irc channel. [21:23] suuuure ;) [21:23] BP{k}: hahah [21:23] so far the funniest comment is: "sorry buddy, your most likely to be gay for the rest of your life..." [21:26] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: [21:27] We compromised by using 16-bit randomization keys (which give an adversary a 1-in-65,536 chance of correctly guessing the key) and relying on the fact that most commonly used x86 compilers (including GCC and Microsofts Visual Studio C++) seem to align code blocks to 16-bit (2-byte) boundaries by silently adding 1-byte NOP (no operation) instructions as needed. [21:27] Does this mean that compiled binaries are bigger in size than needed? [21:28] ok need quiet time [21:28] brb [21:28] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:29] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: No route to host [21:30] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:30] fire|bird (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "Leaving" [21:30] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [21:31] quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:32] Heh, quassel is a really nice irc client but their logging is odd. They store logs in an sqlite (or postgres sql if available) database, you then get logs via a dumplog.py script, but that's not to useful when the script says "user is not in database" :P [21:32] fiyawerx (n=quassel@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:33] Nick change: quasar -> Guest79603 [21:34] many 90ps in /bin/ls but i cant say for sure that they're padded nops [21:35] gmartin (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] Nick change: Guest79603 -> quasar [21:36] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:37] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] brb [21:37] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:38] stig: you can find out for yourself: compile something with the -S flag, and the output will be the assembly source [21:38] sure i will sooner or later [21:38] (remember to use the same -O2 or whatever you'd use for normal optimizing) [21:39] i could also just gdb something [21:39] without compiling something with -S [21:40] true [21:40] do you know if its practiced tho? [21:40] the no padding? [21:40] nope [21:40] nop* [21:40] ok [21:40] Nick change: stig -> snorks [21:40] Nick change: snorks -> snirks [21:41] I know gcc has a -falign-instructions=X flag, which gets set to different values based on the -O level [21:41] snorks? [21:41] Nick change: snirks -> snorks [21:41] (or anyway it has a few -falign-whatever flags, can't remember which ones do what) [21:41] ok [21:42] im reading an article on instruction randomization set [21:42] instruction set randomization sorry [21:42] how's that work? [21:42] I edited /etc/group and append my user to power (to be able to shutdown from xfce), but I'm still unable to do it.. the buttons are grayed out [21:42] do you know how code injections do to exploit for example buffer overflows? [21:42] yeah [21:42] s/do/work [21:42] ok [21:43] flame_me: did you log out and back in? [21:43] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-224-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:43] no :) [21:43] flame_me: do that and then try. :) [21:43] sorry [21:43] so you overwrite the ret addr to point to your payload, which is often in x86 instructions if you're eplxoiting on x86. but ISR randomizes the instructions so your payload is rendered useless [21:43] y0 agentc0re|off|work. :D [21:43] flame_me: can i flame you now? [21:43] but the cpu and application running on that cpu knows about the randomization key you used [21:43] what, it randomizes the opcodes? How can it do that though? [21:43] fire|bird: Pfft... not as cool as the ones i gave you. [21:43] x86 cant [21:44] it would need an additional register for that [21:44] agentc0re: I know. :) [21:44] agentc0re: you're a creative genius. :) [21:44] or it just randomizes e.g. the syscall numbers? (x86 could do that, you'd have to compile kernel + glibc + apps with your key built in) [21:44] Urchlay: but its being researched in academia. ways to randomize instructions [21:44] yeah its not like ASLR [21:44] uhh, not yet. even logging out didn't help :/ [21:44] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [21:44] I used exit to log out [21:44] is that a problem? [21:45] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [21:45] if you have access to IEEE journals, its in the security and privacy, and its called 'randomized instruction sets and runtime environments' [21:45] not just out of X, log out of bash too [21:45] flame_me: I take it that you are doing this on another pc. [21:45] xattack (n=enrique@lidsol.fi-b.unam.mx) left irc: "leaving" [21:45] yes [21:45] Urchlay: with "past research and future directions" as subtitle [21:45] I logged out of xfce and I was dropped to console, then did 'exit' [21:46] snorks: if users have read permissions on binaries though, and some knowledge of the standard chunks of code that gcc emits (e.g. C runtime initialization), they could figure out the random instructions... [21:46] flame_me: hrmm.. That's all i had to do for my user... [21:46] Urchlay: thats if the random instructions were random. but of course they take standard linear timing attacks etc into consideration [21:46] how did you add your user to group 'power'? [21:46] it may have something to do with init and require changing runlevbels or a reboot [21:46] Urchlay: s/were/weren't [21:47] flame_me: Manually. [21:47] slackbook has no script for this so I did manually, by editing /etc/group and appending.. [21:47] Urchlay: and they have kind of left local stuff out for now. because of the read access possibilities etc. its more suited for protecting networked services against remote code execution [21:47] flame_me: man groupadd [21:48] Urchlay: its interesting stuff but i bet it would create a ton of overhead if it was to be fully implemented and take into account ways to circumvent it [21:48] snorks: are you talking about a simple substitution cipher? (e.g. every MOV AX,BX in the binary would have the same opcode, even though it's a different one from the standard one), or does it actually use a block cipher or something, so each opcode depends partly on the ones before it? [21:49] eh, s/block/stream/ I guess [21:49] Urchlay: im not talking about any implementation of it. im just talking about the ideas behind ISR [21:49] Urchlay: the simple explanation given in the paper was a 16 bit key XOR [21:49] snorks: OK, that's what I was asking [21:49] Urchlay: so its nothing fancy yet [21:49] well its fancy, but its not bombproof [21:49] so if you figure out that 0xFF = NOP, that would hold true for all the NOPs in the whole binary [21:50] yep [21:50] but if you used a 16 bit key [21:50] a remote attacked would have 1 in a 65k chance of finding the right key so [21:50] its a pretty good deterrent [21:50] yeah, the compiler starts every binary with a standard header, which would be like a chosen-plaintext attack [21:50] and bruteforcing would be infeasible [21:51] agentc0re: could it be a HAL related issue? [21:51] really? If there are only 65K ways to decrypt it, I bet all but one of them end up as nonsense binaries that fail to run, or segfault immediately [21:51] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:52] I just did a clean install [21:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:52] and it wouldn't take long to brute-force the 65K key space and test-run every potential decrypted version of the binary (you'd want to do that in a VM, in case the payload turns out to be 'system("rm -rf /")' or similar) [21:53] Urchlay: it would be infeasible in a real life scenario because first of all, a 16 bit key wouldn't be used. its just for the examples in the article, and 2nd of all, if you overflow a buffer and inject jargon, the application will most likely crash [21:54] and lets say it didnt crash, the attacker would still need to establish connection for every time he wanted to test payload with another set of rndomized instructions [21:55] agentc0re: do you know which command is called when I click shut down in xfce? [21:55] and you couldnt test it offline as you would have to have the target system's private key (which they would use to generate the instruction sets) [21:55] so its pretty resilient [21:55] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-239.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:55] and its pretty still only on the drawing board :p [21:56] Urchlay: but you must admit that you like the idea [21:56] i know i do [21:56] ah, I'm still thinking of local attacks [21:56] yeah, it's definitely a neat idea [21:57] but so many security measures just makes stuff slower :p [21:57] I added my user to "power" group (in order to shut down from Xfce), but by default shutdown is owned by root (group and owner), what do I do? [21:57] is that the problem? [21:58] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:58] (because belonging to power group didn't do anything) [21:59] root (n=root@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:01] bleh [22:01] yes, with exit command [22:01] the overhead rose to 2000 percent [22:01] and then I was asked to type login information again [22:01] agentc0re: if he's booting to rl3, those buttons aren't going to work even if he's in the power group. [22:02] fire|bird: orly? I didn't know that. [22:02] flame_me: Well there you go. [22:02] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:02] the master has spoken! Now kneel before his greatness! [22:02] switch to init 4 and try it [22:02] does it cause a problem if shutdown utility belongs to root user and root group? [22:03] Urchlay: the overhead rose to insane amounts [22:03] shouldn't it belong to power group instead? [22:03] flame_me: no [22:04] I got a reply from a place that I submitted a resume to and the reply says to call a phone number to answer three questions in a phone interview [22:04] automated style [22:05] good luck, antiwire [22:05] antiwire: Weird.. [22:06] antiwire: 3 questions?.. besure to remember them to let us know what they are. [22:06] Acejx (n=ryanlegr@64.140.123.27) joined ##slackware. [22:06] haha [22:06] I was sort of hoping that someone might know the questions too ;) [22:07] Question 1: On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being not at all and 10 being absolute love. How much do you like playing WoW? [22:07] 1. What's you're name? 2. What's your address? 3. Do you want this job? :P [22:07] hahaha [22:07] elkng (n=wnb@gprs-78-143.vntc.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:07] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: "What the hell?" [22:07] shamWOW? [22:08] Question 2: How many hours would you say you use Ubuntu? [22:08] lol [22:08] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:08] question 3: Star Trek, Star Wars or Lord of the Rings? [22:08] :D [22:08] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:08] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-2-151.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:09] Neiromantic :) [22:09] Xaviertoor (n=Xavierto@noroestenet-F1-0-1-acc04.bhe.embratel.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:09] give me the number and i'll call first for you. [22:09] :D [22:09] that way you can get the questions a head of time. [22:09] unless you have to enter some code or something.. [22:10] elkng (n=wnb@gprs-78-143.vntc.ru) left irc: "leaving" [22:10] icke_ (n=icke@p4FD89AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:12] OK, so nspluginwrapper + 32-bit flash on 64-current actually works and doesn't crash on the stuff that was crashing the 64-bit plugin. Cute. [22:12] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:13] power:x:84:bogdan <-- line from /etc/group [22:13] it's correct, right? [22:14] it seems correct [22:14] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:14] http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090727184035AAIuKG2 [22:14] does my user need to be part of any other group? [22:15] flame_me, i've added fredoslack to audio [22:15] icke (n=icke@p4FD899DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [22:15] antiwire: hahahaha [22:15] with 4 in /etc/inittab [22:15] fredoslack, my issue is with being able to shut down from xfce [22:16] flame_me, i've got a problem too [22:16] with shut down [22:16] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:16] that makes two of us [22:16] only root can shut down gugu [22:16] flame_me: Did you read at all above. I had said that beings your booting to runlevel 3, the power buttons *will not* work, even if you are in the power group, then RipVanWinkle suggested giving runlevel 4 a try. :D [22:16] hihi [22:16] hi fredoslack [22:16] hi fire|bird [22:16] i reboot + [22:16] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [22:17] I just called it as a test [22:17] antiwire: Did you hear any of the questions? [22:17] I got the questions without having to enter any identification [22:17] yeah [22:17] nice [22:18] 1. Three adjectives to describe yourself. 2. What do you know about our company? 3. Why should our company hire you? [22:18] Those aren't so bad. [22:18] that's kinda lame though [22:18] _quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [22:19] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:19] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:19] fire|bird: sorry, being new to Linux I confused runlevels with something else ;( [22:19] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:20] does this mean I will have to use something like xdm? [22:22] i have xdm with id:4:initdefault: [22:22] flame_me: xdm, kdm, slim, or the like, yes. runlevel 4 is set to check for each of those and use the first one it detects. [22:22] and Xfce [22:22] which one do you recommend? [22:23] Well, I use kde4 (on slackware current) and therefore use kdm, any of them work however. [22:23] xdm is ugly :( [22:23] I didn't install kde.. so I guess that leaves me with xdm? [22:23] or you could install gdm from slackbuilds.org [22:23] bleh, 32-bit libflashplayer.so for flash 10 needs a bunch of 32-bit libs that aren't in fred's -compat32 packages [22:23] or slim :) [22:23] or slim. [22:23] xdm is ugly by default, but it works. :) [22:23] thrice`: you got slim on x86_64 ? [22:23] slim is part of the stock slackware packages? [22:23] fire|bird: no [22:23] xdm looks like windows 3.1 [22:23] gdm is good, really. [22:24] rworkman: mm, haven't tried; does it fail? [22:24] and the 64-bit flash 10 release from july 30 still crashes on these crappy myspace pages [22:24] http://slackbuilds.org/gdm/ [22:24] That ^ has several enhancements and fixes over what's in our 12.2 repo [22:24] I tried using slim once and got a login command not found error or something similar, how would I fix that? [22:24] rworkman: no what? [22:24] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:24] Amazing what happens to a package when I use it. :) [22:24] fire|bird: no re slim in slackware [22:25] thrice`: it did, but I only tried once and gave up for gdm. [22:25] Nick change: AlexElliott__ -> AlexElliott [22:25] rworkman: oh yeah, it's on slackbuilds.org. Thanks. :) [22:25] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:25] rworkman: boo [22:25] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:26] Try out that gdm link above. I fixed it to not overwrite the custom.conf, to use xfce as the default session isntead of gnome (which was causing it to die on first login), and to use pm-suspend as SuspendCommand [22:26] rworkman: Why do you use gdm over the others, if I may ask? [22:26] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) left irc: "Leaving" [22:27] i gotta make me some money for a new computer so im gonna start making websites for some peeps but i want to use a cms for that and drupal has a huge learning curve what other cms do you guys recommend ? [22:27] fire|bird: it's more configurable than kdm, and it looks better than xdm and slim [22:27] rworkman: Well gosh darn, I'm gonna have to try that now. The last I used gdm was on Fedora and it was the newer version that you can't theme or anything. [22:27] deco: I recommend punctuation in your sentences, like the comma in this one. Possibly even a period in between separate ideas. [22:27] deco: seriously, that was hard to read :) [22:27] vald0r (n=matt@stjhnf0131w-142162013032.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Greetings All [22:28] Re "more configurable" - I can't find a way to make kdm suspend from the login screen [1], and that's a dealbreaker or me. [22:28] hi vald0r [22:28] [1] okay, I can hack the "shutdown" or "reboot" method to run 'pm-suspend' instead, but that's ugly and violates POLA [22:28] Urchlay: sorry it's hard to switch from chatting with friends to this kind of chatting :P [22:28] Urchlay: what was the grep thing you pinged about [22:29] deco: then use proper grammar with them too ;-) [22:29] quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:29] rworkman: if I could have remembered your email address I would have sent it to you :( [22:29] ah, no biggie. It's rworkman@ though or future reference [22:29] rworkman: $ time yes foobar | head -10000 | LANG="en_US.UTF-8" grep . >/dev/null [22:29] real 0m11.854s [22:30] Right. What's the fix? :) [22:30] $ time yes foobar | head -10000 | LANG="C" grep . >/dev/null [22:30] real 0m0.020s [22:30] rworkman: than they will think I'm weird and I'm not kinding lol came from a girl :( [22:30] Are you really oneforall? [22:30] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:31] fiyawerx (n=quassel@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:31] the fix is to steal^H^H^H^H^Hborrow a couple patches from Debian, who got them from Red Hat, who got them from a guy named Tim Waugh in about 2004. Basically, the GNU grep maintainer has been planning to integrate the Waugh patches for almost 5 years and still hasn't gotten around to it [22:32] sad [22:32] http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/devel.html <--- contains maintainer's post from 2005 [22:32] most or all the major distros besides Slackware have been shipping patched greps with this fix for 4+ years [22:32] I did "which slim" and I got nothing.. part of which software series is slim of? [22:33] flame_me: none. it's not included in Slackware. [22:33] flame_me: slim is not part of stock slackware, you can get it at slackbuilds.org [22:33] doh [22:33] thanks :) [22:34] I'll stick to xdm for now and switch to something nicer when my eyes start to hurt or when I feel ready to use slackbuilds [22:34] rworkman: PV probably hasn't looked at it because Slackware still doesn't officially support UTF-8 (in lang.sh there's a comment saying some stuff won't work with it) [22:35] olde [22:35] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:38] thank you guys, I can now shut down and reboot from xfce :) [22:39] alright, gdm installed, gonna check it out. :P [22:39] brb [22:39] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "I'm Leaving" [22:40] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] never had an issue before with any released version of slack but im trying with current to install zsnes and get this http://pastebin.com/m70eaf393 [22:41] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] do slackbuilds for 12.2 work for current? I'm tempted to try gdm (xdm is ugly as sin) [22:41] flame_me: see the link rworkman posted earlier. [22:41] most do, i tried the zsnes slackbuild it doesnt [22:41] i_is_cat: did you pray as it advised? :> [22:41] well most of the ones i have used work anyways.. [22:41] lol [22:41] thrice`, to whom? [22:41] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] hm, excellent question [22:42] Acejx (n=ryanlegr@64.140.123.27) left irc: Client Quit [22:42] thanks BP{k} and rworkman [22:43] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:43] so anyone get zsnes working with -current? if so what'd you do? [22:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [22:43] mm, that's a 32-bit only app; I can't test here [22:44] oh joy [22:44] i also find it a bit odd.. i plugged in the xbox controller to my netbook running -current and kde 4.x and the joystick controls the cursor [22:44] very weird [22:44] rworkman: alright, gdm is nice. I'm gonna find a theme that I like though that doesn't have the gnome logo. :D [22:44] i mean if i'd set it up that way sure but just by plugging it in? :| [22:44] the new 64-bit libflashplayer.so crashes firefox instantly, on going to youtube.com (not even clicking any videos) [22:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Urchlay: really? I've had good luck so far [22:45] not sure WTF I did [22:46] fire|bird: you can do all of that without a theme [22:46] Urchlay: wfm too [22:46] i_is_cat: possibly: http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/zsnes/repos/extra-i686/zsnes.patch?revision=11057 [22:46] rworkman: really? [22:46] rworkman: huh? [22:47] oh, wfm = "works for me", right [22:47] Urchlay: yes :) [22:47] yep [22:47] thrice`, looks like it might do something lemme check here.. [22:47] i_is_cat: save that and try a "patch -Np1 -i $CWD/file.patch" before configure [22:47] fire|bird: really :) [22:47] well, this is just loads of fun [22:48] 10 minutes ago, the same libflashplayer.so would play youtube videos, but it crashed on videos embedded in myspace.com pages [22:48] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:49] anything but myspace! :( [22:49] rworkman: cool. When I used Debian I used gdm and this theme: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Arc-Colors+GDM-Walls?content=88305 [22:49] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:50] <_quasar> zomgwtfbbq. [22:50] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:50] That looks pretty. Mine is much more simplistic. [22:50] Nick change: _quasar -> quasar [22:50] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:50] OK, I "mv .mozilla old.mozilla" and let it create an empty .mozilla, and it *still* crashes [22:51] rworkman: There's an entire gnome theme based on that gdm as well, I used it all, was very, very nice. [22:51] "ldd libflashplayer.so" doesn't show any "not found" [22:51] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [22:51] s/gdm/theme/ [22:51] thrice`, i tried that and it says it cant open the patch..? [22:51] i_is_cat: hmm? it fails at patching, actually? [22:51] I don't know how to take a screen shot of the gdm window, so I can't post mine :/ [22:52] doesnt even try to patch just says it cant find the zsnes.patch file.. [22:52] well, what is your patch line? :) [22:52] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@190.165.29.167) joined ##slackware. [22:52] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [22:52] rworkman: There is a way, I can't recall what it is atm however. [22:52] i tried exactly what you pasted there but changed 'file' to 'zsnes' as its called zsnes.patch [22:53] i_is_cat, Just a sujestion if you just want zsnes to work. try this package http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/utilities/zsnes/1.51/ [22:54] nice, I just discovered an app (browser) called rekonq on opendesktop.org that appears to be konqueror only webkit based. :P [22:54] that won't work vald0r, same gcc43 bug [22:55] wait, someone's trying to build zsnes? [22:55] fire|bird: link? [22:55] haha thrice` it was a pebkac error [22:55] confusing my directories [22:55] I had hoped ;) [22:55] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [22:55] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [22:56] three slack boxes all with the /home/i_is_cat but this is the first time ive gotten that confused lol [22:56] BP{k}: http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php/rekonq+Web+Browser?content=94258 I just downloaded the source, gonna try it and see if it's any good. [22:56] ehehehe [22:56] BP{k}: it's a very early release. [22:56] this PC has had more context switches than ticks [22:56] fire|bird: "arora" is probably the best qt webkit browser (or, most mature) [22:56] it does say 1 out of 2 hunks failed tho.. [22:56] screw it. I'm not frigging superman, I can't debug a binary-only app with no debugging symbols that crashes instantly with no other output besides "segmentation fault" [22:56] thrice`: yeah, I've tried that, very nice and fast browser. I've been using Konqueror lately. [22:57] i_is_cat: this one looks better: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/gentoo-x86/games-emulation/zsnes/files/zsnes-1.51-gcc43.patch?rev=1.1 [22:57] fire|bird, you don't like xdm then? [22:57] the configure after this first patch is dirt slow.. [22:58] dive: havn't tried it yet, got busy with other things yesterday. :P [22:58] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [22:58] and.. another error.. guess i'll try the second one now [22:58] i_is_cat: well, actually [22:58] i_is_cat: Did you try the package I linked to for Zsnes 1.51? [22:58] so I'm using nspluginwrapper + flash 9 32-bit (since 10 needs a bunch of libs not in fred-compat32 and I can't be bothered to track them all down just for someone's retarded ugly-looking myspace crap) [22:58] vald0r, nope [22:58] I think you'll need to autogen.sh after the patch [22:59] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/utilities/zsnes/1.51/ Working for em on slack-current [22:59] me* [22:59] but at this point, what am I supposed to tell people who say to me "You should use (windows|mac|ubuntu), it just works"? [22:59] (the reason it fails to build is a gcc43 bug) [22:59] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:00] thrice`: *bug* in gcc, or it's just being more strict than old gcc used to be? (declaring main() with argc being a size_t is probably not allowed by ISO C...) [23:00] thrice`, autogen after the second patch? [23:01] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:01] instead of "./configure --blah", maybe "./autogen.sh --blah" [23:01] oh, this is C++ code, not C... forget I said anyting, I don't do enough C++ to know if argc as a size_t is horribly wrong or not. [23:02] thrice`, second patch, same thing one out of two hunks failed [23:02] vald0r: most of us don't want binary packages, not even from slacky.eu [23:03] I understand that, I was just offering a sudjestion as an option :) [23:03] i_is_cat: does it die? [23:03] nope [23:04] ok :> [23:04] but make still does [23:04] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] huh, that should do it :( sorry, without a 32bit environment, I can't test anymore [23:05] different error tho.. http://pastebin.com/m7de10a5 [23:05] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:06] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:06] oo00o0oooo my makefile was magically modified 9.7s in the future [23:06] its the ghost in the shell [23:06] O.o count to 10 and try again? :) [23:06] lol [23:06] you ran patch by hand? [23:07] uh...... is there some other way to do it? [23:07] I assumed you were using: [23:07] "Configure complete, now type 'make' and pray." <--- maybe you forgot to pray, or prayed to the wrong deity? [23:07] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/games/zsnes/zsnes.SlackBuild [23:07] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [23:08] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:08] i tried the slackbuild once to see if it would have any effect but no.. [23:08] i think Urchlay is correct that zsnes has religious issues [23:09] lets sue them [23:09] one last try [23:10] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/J8Daj279.html [23:10] zsnes uses 32-bit asm code, right? No point in my trying to build it on 64-bit -current... [23:10] try that with the patch as "zsnes.patch" [23:10] he's on 32-bit :) [23:11] right, I mean, nothing I can do to help him [23:11] ditto :) [23:12] I mean it builds fine on 32-bit 12.2, but he's -current I'm sure [23:12] which patch the first or second? [23:12] i_is_cat: try either (they both should apply) [23:13] hmm alright.. [23:14] vald0r (n=matt@stjhnf0131w-142162013032.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left ##slackware ("Killed buffer"). [23:14] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:15] i tried it and it cant find the file to patch its asking me where it is now [23:15] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:16] using my slackbuild? [23:16] yep [23:16] using the first patch? [23:17] -p1 is proper for the first one [23:17] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:17] second [23:17] oh, bugger alle thisse, just use http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/snes9x_gtk/ [23:17] oh no ya the first sorry cuz the first was called zsnes.patch and i didnt change it.. [23:17] it seems to find the patch it just doesnt see the file it needs to patch.. [23:19] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-228-113.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:19] if you do "-Np1" instead of "-p1" ? [23:19] i just used the file you pasted [23:19] which contains the line: patch -p1 -i $CWD/zsnes.patch [23:19] should i try putting the N in there? [23:19] try adding an N [23:19] k [23:20] didnt' you apply it properly with -p1 before, though? [23:20] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [23:20] nope i used the line you pasted which had the N.. the issue i was having was i was confusing my dirs so i couldnt find the location of the patch but it failed one out of two hunks with the -Np1 [23:21] i added the N to the slackbuild it gets to the same line [23:21] asks me where the file is to patch [23:21] ah, crap. more UTF-8 screwiness... "man patch" is showing ^H where it really ought to show a bolded character (whatever character code 0xb7 is) [23:22] ok, -p1 is proper without the "N," . you are running the slackbuild from the very top level, with the source uncompressed ? [23:22] er, with the source still compressed [23:22] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:22] no the source is a bz2 file [23:23] BP{k}: Did you try building rekonq at all? Did it fail for you too? [23:23] so, your current directory has: zsnes_modified.SlackBuild, slack-desc, doinst.sh, zsnes.png, zsnes151src.tar.bz2, zsnes.patch ? [23:23] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [23:23] the slackbuild is in the ~/zsnes dir and within that dir theres the zsnes.Slackbuild and files from the original slackbuild, i pico'd a zsnes.Slackbuild2 and pasted your slackbuild into it, deleted the numbers that were added saved and ran it [23:24] and the patch is in the ~/zsnes dir also [23:24] as zsnes.patch [23:24] the first one that is, the second patch is sitting elsewhere waiting to be used [23:24] be sure everything is out of /tmp/SBo relating to zsnes [23:25] and, running without -N is proper [23:25] the -N is causing only 1 hunk to apply [23:25] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:26] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:26] k i just deleted the /tmp/SBo/zsnes dir and removed the N from the slackbuild and it does the same thing, asks me where the file is to be patched [23:26] rrh__ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:26] ok, then I'm out of ideas :( sorry [23:28] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] damn sdlmame don't compile on slackware64 :| [23:28] ah well [23:28] where is the php.ini file located in slackware ? [23:28] slocate [23:28] or find or whatever [23:28] superGear: huh? [23:28] superGear: it did, last I tried it [23:28] deco: it's in /etc/httpd [23:29] fire|bird: nah. I decided not to bother since you were going to build it ;) [23:29] ok so i specified the file /tmp/SBo/zsnes-1.51/parsegen.cpp and it said one out of two hunks failed and is asking where the next file is to be patched [23:29] current version of sdlmame doesn't [23:29] BP{k}: Well, it fails. :D [23:29] jumperboy: superGear thanks! [23:29] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] superGear: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/sdlmame/ is for 0.131u2, not *too* old is it? [23:30] 0.133u1 is current [23:30] yeah, I see that [23:30] I'd submit a new slackbuild to SBo, for the 0.133u1 version, but submissions are closed until 13.0 comes out [23:30] i can live w/o sdlmame [23:31] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:31] eh, or you can use 0.132u2 [23:31] BP{k}: CMake Error at src/CMakeLists.txt:101 (TARGET_LINK_LIBRARIES): target_link_libraries called with incorrect number of arguments [23:31] i can use windows for mame and other games :P [23:31] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.134.235) joined ##slackware. [23:31] and Configuring incomplete, errors occurred! make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. [23:31] seriously, how many ROMs that you actually want to play are in 0.133u1 but missing from 0.132u2? [23:31] ok........... so i manually entered each of the patch files, the first one failed one out of two hunks the second two worked ok and then the slackbuild just ended [23:32] ? [23:32] beats me i still need to upgrade my roms to 0.133u1 [23:32] heh. [23:32] sound like you're falling into the "upgrading just for the sake of upgrading" trap [23:32] I'd be happy with just a few neogeo games and all capcom fighters [23:33] and Galaga88 and Ms Pacman and Digdug [23:33] or is it a treadmill? anyway, 0.132u2 has plenty of neo-geos and all the other stuff you mentioned [23:33] tho i hate Galaga i love Galaga'88 [23:33] i know [23:33] When installing slackware there is a question about if I want to enable or no UTF-8 text, where it changes if i select Yes? [23:33] i just wanted to build the current version :P [23:34] you tried 0.133u1 with the SBo slackbuild already? [23:34] si [23:35] also tried by hand [23:35] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:36] well, I'm going to update my slackbuild for it now, cause I'm bored [23:36] eventually I'll be able to submit it to SBo... [23:37] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [23:38] something is using the sound card. How do I find out what it is? [23:38] http://pastebin.com/m3ce63b66 [23:39] cc1: warnings being treated as errors <--- I hate that [23:39] although in this case it might matter [23:40] yo [23:40] I'll mess with it [23:40] I'll see if 0.133 will build [23:40] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:40] EXTRAMAKEOPT="PTR64=1" <--- that line in the SlackBuild should fix the pointer/integer mess, are you sure you set ARCH=x86_64 in the environment? [23:41] yes sir [23:42] it's gonna take a while before my compile gets to the point where your failed, unfortunately I have possibly the slowest AMD64 chip ever made [23:42] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] which? [23:42] or it wouldn't build, it ould say gcc can't make executable as i don't have any 32bit libs [23:42] i have the slowest X2 [23:42] model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ [23:42] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache] [23:42] cpu MHz : 1800.003 [23:42] cache size : 512 KB [23:42] 2800 isnt the slowest [23:42] 1 GHz :| [23:43] straterra: well probably not, but it's at the slow end of the curve these days [23:43] I hear rumbling sound coming from PS speakers. [23:43] yeah [23:43] and, eh, yours is dual core, probably performs better in real world than mine [23:44] yeah of course [23:44] also it's 2.2 GHz [23:44] just running at 1000 MHz atm [23:44] sorry guys just installed slackware again on the same machine -- got a buncha nerdy ideas and plans for this it should go all right if i stick to the basics of what i did the last few runs [i like to keep my b0x's mint;] . just saying hi n shit i guess hah i'll see you guys around [23:44] oh, power saving stuff [23:44] as i don't need 2.2 GHz to IRC [23:45] u need 2ghz+ to run chds [23:45] not really [23:45] try calspeed [23:45] you need like 3 GHz for some games [23:45] whaa? [23:45] most of the mame games that use chd files are also really CPU-intensive [23:45] My Phenom II spends most of its time at 800MHz, heh [23:46] nah man mininal boot your shit old shcool [23:46] Killer Instinct only needs like 1.5 GHz [23:46] *only* :) [23:46] and a lot of them have 3d hardware that MAME is having to emulate in software (sucks, they finally got Cyber Sled working, and I can't play it at full speed) [23:46] MAME is less efficient than it needs to be, don't forget [23:46] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:47] thrice`, in case you're interested, i manually applied those patched you showed me only in reverse order to a freshly untarred zsnes and it looks like its going ok now [23:47] patches* [23:47] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:47] Ferojasrom (n=Fabio@190.158.98.147) joined ##slackware. [23:47] ahh [23:47] true [23:47] gui's and shit would be nice [23:47] but having the speed [23:47] graaaargh, does anyone know a way to non-violently and non-lethally knock a dog unconscious? [23:47] fuck im moving all my windows shit to this box now [23:47] drugs [23:47] dr00gz [23:47] dood [23:48] this damn thing is going to yap all frigging night [23:48] MAME have this philosophy of being absolutely completely and utterly cycle perfect [23:48] booze [23:48] 21G /data/b/mame/roms [23:48] 105G /data/b/mame/chds [23:48] 77G /data/b/mame/ld-chd [23:48] Ferojasrom (n=Fabio@190.158.98.147) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [23:48] I'm dog-sitting, the poor dog just misses its family [23:48] lol [23:48] its my collection ;) [23:48] niggers [23:48] wtf? [23:48] wtf? [23:48] ahh shit ahahahahaa [23:48] re [23:48] twolf: watch your language. [23:48] ops? [23:48] acist crap [23:48] racist* [23:48] err [23:48] uhh? [23:48] we cool we cool [23:49] sorry, wrong nicl. [23:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:49] lol [23:49] nice [23:49] tbagg: that was for you. [23:49] lucky rworkman is away [23:49] nah [23:49] nice forgot [23:49] the [23:49] ah shit ahah [23:49] twolf: sorry, I typed too fast. [23:49] its hot in here sorry [23:49] and alienBOB is back on his planet [23:49] I know :-) [23:49] The other thing MAME does that annoys me is they include teh ROM list in the program itself and every so often, for know other reason than to screw with people, they change the names they expect the ROMs to have so half the collection I have don't work and haven't for quite some time [23:49] weird.. it installed but when i run zsnes it segfaults [23:49] :p [23:50] LSD`: yeah [23:50] LSD`, like the neogeo bios changed recently [23:50] think in 0.133 i could be wrong tho [23:50] for a second I thought someone wrote 'super LSD' [23:51] SuperLSD! [23:51] hm, I get a different compile error :0 [23:51] {standard input}:5380: Fatal error: can't close obj/sdl/mame/mame/drivers/playmark.o: No space left on device [23:51] Nick change: superGear -> superLSD [23:51] hahaha [23:51] Urchlay: free some space! [23:51] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:51] no doubt [23:51] Urchlay, get more space [23:51] rm -rf * [23:51] j/k [23:51] /tmp is on the root partition, which is deliberately kept small [23:52] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@ool-182dbb2d.dyn.optonline.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:52] tbagg kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: If your judgment is so bad that you'd make a comment like that, you don't belong here. Go find a different pool to piss in. [23:52] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:52] delayed ban [23:52] was waiting on that [23:52] oh i think the segfault fucked up my kde session cuz my taskbar is missing no wallpaper etc [23:52] :o [23:52] thank the gods for ccache [23:52] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:52] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:54] yeah, "rm -rf /tmp/SBo" frees up something like 2.5 gigs [23:56] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:56] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:57] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [23:57] super Linux Standard Distro [23:58] i.e. Slackware [23:58] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] what? [23:58] hello slackies [23:59] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-139-54.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] (superGear just changed her/his name to superLSD) [23:59] (because I thought someone wrote super LSD) [23:59] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Aug 4 2009