[00:00] because.. its based on slackware, apparently, but I don't see sources. [00:00] agentc0re: but there are no trolls in the alliance. only humans nightelves dwarves draani and... gnomes [00:00] trolls are in the horde [00:01] great [00:01] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:01] i forgot where the mirrors file was in [00:01] rworkman: if you would? [00:01] /etc/slackpkg/mirrors, usually. [00:01] spook: huh? [00:02] yep, thats where it was, great [00:02] spook: and you said you were a troll. If spook = troll and troll = horde, spook = horde. [00:02] i said i was trolling, not that i was a troll [00:02] a verb is not a noun [00:03] nope, same different kernel-source [00:03] If trolls only troll, then spook = troll [00:03] i think thats not a good sign for this distro [00:03] i will get real slackware now [00:03] ha [00:03] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [00:03] the future is grim [00:03] but before i get real slackware... [00:04] what should i expect it to install for me priorily? [00:04] will i have to install every package manualy or something? [00:04] Well, you won't get icewm. [00:04] will i get any gui at all? [00:04] agentc0re: interesting bit of maths, troll is actually the identity matrix [00:04] http://slackbook.org [00:04] yes, several choices [00:04] A cursory inspection tells me that the icewm packages from Absolute *probably* should work on Slackware. [00:04] nothing wrong with using horde [00:04] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:05] a bit bloated for anything I would need it for though [00:05] i really dont understand why icewm isnt used as a standard [00:05] its the fastest [00:05] Action: rworkman would use fluxbox over icewm [00:05] fluxbox is less responsive than icewm [00:05] example: successful troll is successful. the mulitplication by troll results in no change. [00:05] jero: my time is more valuable than the computer's time. [00:06] jero: Use what you prefer.. don't expect anyone else to change their tastes. [00:06] its just a gui which can be configured like any other [00:06] rworkman uses xfce.. which I can't stand.. so I use KDE.. or Gnome if the muse decends [00:06] and its faster than the others [00:06] jero: In your mind it may be [00:06] except i have not seen a single distro configuring icewm properly yet [00:06] define properly [00:06] That speaks volumes. [00:06] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:06] I run KDE 4, which a lot of people are hesitant about. [00:07] mbhayes - name one faster than icewm then [00:07] if its just in my mind [00:07] jero: screen + ksh [00:07] ratpoison [00:07] hard to configure, a good windows manager does not make [00:07] rworkman: what's the other "tiled" window manager? [00:07] Action: mbhayes can never remember the name of it.. [00:07] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:07] openbox? [00:07] Action: jkwood looks at http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/icewm/ [00:08] xmonadmawesome,dwm,wmii etc. [00:08] rworkman, i may be getting a laptop upgrade :D [00:08] rworkman: no not openbox.. [00:08] icewm is decent - don't get me wrong. I use it on OpenBSD quite often. I just prefer xfce :) [00:08] mbhayes i would not call ratpoison a real gui.. [00:08] there's ion.. xmonad.. a few others [00:08] TwinReverb: cool :) [00:08] hey btw is anyone using the intel 945 GM video card? i'm having issues with framebuffer modes specified in LILO [00:08] ohhh, awesome is what I meant. [00:08] rworkman: that's it! [00:08] jero: eat some ratpoison, you should [00:09] < Rat409> xmonadmawesome,dwm,wmii etc. [00:09] That ^^ reminded me :) [00:09] jero: No matter what you prefer.. and what your reasons for perferring it are.. you won't change anyone's mind. [00:09] yeah sony vaio vgn-c140g (core 2 duo 1.6ghz (x2), 2gb ram, 250gb sata hard drive) [00:09] you might as well give it up [00:09] Action: mbhayes shrugs [00:09] i am here to brainwash you [00:09] i've already noticed that kernel compiles go much faster [00:09] lol [00:09] jero: good luck [00:09] listen to me [00:09] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-104.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [00:09] TwinReverb: 945GM, anything other than vga=normal, recommended is not [00:10] rworkman, hey what specific CPU should i pick in kernel config? i am so far using 586/686 with generic x86 enabled because i don't see core 2 duo [00:10] Action: rworkman is engrossed in idle speculation... would a zombie ignore jero? [00:10] spook, you own this one? [00:10] TwinReverb: generic x86_64 should work [00:10] ah [00:10] basically a default slamd64 kernel would probably work on there ;) [00:10] i'm using 32 bit slackware. i don't know if i should be bothering to use slamd64 or not, etc. the jury is still out and i just got started [00:10] TwinReverb: .... I choose core2. I swear i've seen that option. [00:10] afk for a while, maybe the remainder - food calls, and then dishes need washed :/ [00:11] agentc0re, well the help sounds like it's xeon [00:11] And there just happens to be a torrent available for Slamd64 12.2. [00:11] TwinReverb: Well, talk to rob0 about using 32bit slackware with 64bit slamd64 kerel [00:11] k [00:11] rworkman: that's why you buy a dishwasher [00:11] mbhayes: Slavery is wrong. [00:11] jkwood: Her name is Lupe [00:11] TwinReverb: Ya, I think mine said Core2 or Xeon. [00:11] jkwood not everyone calls his wife a dishwasher [00:12] TwinReverb: 945GME, has, my eeepc [00:12] yeah, I call mine GE [00:12] Technically, in my house, I'm the dishwasher. [00:12] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] jkwood: sucker [00:12] Some call her Jane. [00:12] Whatever became of Sweet Jane? [00:12] She lost her sparkle, you know, she isn't the same. [00:12] Okay, way past my bedtime. Good night, all. [00:12] lou reed ? [00:13] Living on reds, vitamin C, and cocaine; all a friend can say is ain't it a shame. [00:13] jkwood: slamd64 12.2 out? [00:13] spook, do you have any issues switching from VT and back to X.org? (i.e. ctrl+alt+F5 / ctrl+alt+F7) [00:13] Rat409: Truckin' [00:13] indeed :) [00:13] spook: Yep. [00:13] TwinReverb: which display driver in x? [00:14] jkwood: awesome, that is. [00:14] Action: rworkman & [00:14] grateful dead [00:14] fg [00:14] spook, "intel" generic right now i think. it properly loads i915 and drm kernel modules upon launch so i think it's good to go [00:14] i am about to kill this virtual OS [00:14] spook: was actually released yesterday/last night [00:14] the chat isnt worth it either [00:15] i only use framebuffer because i like maybe 1 resolution larger than the default terminal (and i like to see the linux penguins at boot lol) [00:15] mbhayes: under a rock on dagobah, i live [00:15] spook: hehe [00:15] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] spook: the only reason I know is I was working on jigdo files right after fred finished the initial upload [00:15] TwinReverb: break, it will. stick to vga=normal, you must. [00:15] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:15] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] wow, i just had a deja vu [00:16] Action: lw0x15 applied the patch - feels more secure now. [00:17] spook, could you please confirm for me that it can switch to/from VT? [00:17] er nevermind mine switches fine [00:17] no framebuffer then [00:17] lw0x15: unless a mail server you run, make no difference it will [00:17] spook: doesnt matter >_> it was my first one! the most important one [00:17] TwinReverb: bad framebuffer support, that chipset has [00:18] by the way...what is DEADJOE :| [00:18] strangely enough, because my older laptop had great framebuffer support (in fact, you needed it to switch to/from VT without locking the system every other time you attempted it) [00:18] spook, stab you i will if like yoda you must talk [00:18] <_NaCl_> Speaking of VTs... [00:18] <_NaCl_> Mine dim every time I start X. [00:19] <_NaCl_> And all of the colors look weird. [00:19] lw0x15: the only patch you have applied, is that? secure, you are not. [00:19] wbcraid (n=wbcraid@ip72-199-56-93.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] thanks :( [00:20] upgrading the kernel source and then removing this kernel source seems to have been a bad idea [00:20] it seems to delete wayyy more than i installed [00:20] TwinReverb: more powerful that you can possibly imagine, if strike me down, you do [00:21] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [00:21] <_NaCl_> You missed a verb. [00:21] ls [00:21] oops [00:22] bb absolute [00:22] jero (n=jero@athedsl-4539619.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:23] _NaCl_: when 900 years old you reach, spell as good you will not [00:23] <_NaCl_> Yes, master. [00:23] <_NaCl_> I apologize. [00:23] Action: _NaCl_ bows to the the great spook. [00:23] rworkman, um your open office pack says it's corrupt (i'll try it again) [00:24] TwinReverb: do or do not, there is no try [00:24] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-176-73-193.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:24] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:25] Action: macavity rams his head against dri2/drm/mesa7.3/xorg-1.5.3/xf86-vidoe-intel-2.6.1 *again* [00:25] bored at work, i am. an email in yoda-speak to my boss, i just sent [00:25] Action: TwinReverb stabs spook [00:25] what's a vidoe ? [00:26] a better version of video [00:26] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:26] no.. a buggy version of video [00:26] o.O [00:26] spook: Hrmm.... i sense much anger in that one, much anger.... [00:27] <_NaCl_> Turn to the dark side, he may [00:28] You know you're a star wars nerd when you name your servers at work after people from those movies. [00:28] Action: agentc0re is that nerd [00:28] not something to be proud of. [00:29] But i am anyways! :D [00:29] if this channel, i frequent...prodigious yoda-speak I shall develop [00:29] i should try it on customers [00:29] LOL [00:29] you should. [00:30] <_NaCl_> Also try to imitate the yoda voice, while you're at it [00:30] a stretch, that will be. a smoker, i am. [00:31] i can hear the old lady now, "so you get into this computer crap, and start talkin' like yoda.I'm leaving." [00:33] :P [00:33] grimrider (n=grimride@nova-stat-216-255-53-121.novadsl.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] are all core 2 duo processors 64 bit? [00:33] aliase (n=aliase@76-10-181-174.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [00:33] no. [00:33] does anyone have any experience with freenx here? [00:33] TwinReverb : the later ones are. [00:33] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [00:33] actually, core 2 duos may be all 64 bit. core duos are not [00:33] i have a T5500 and i was reading /proc/cpuinfo and didn't see x86_64 or any "64" type indicators [00:34] TwinReverb : yeah, they're not named that way [00:34] that would be just too damn logical [00:35] TwinReverb : 'lm' is the flag you should be looking for [00:35] Hrmm, tired are my eyes. Sleep, i must. [00:36] ok i have lm flags, cool, thanks ananke [00:36] ananke: have you played with slamd64 ? [00:37] you'd figure they'd name the flag with '64' in its name. but nooo, let's come up with some obscure name [00:37] nope [00:38] agentc0re: i cannot teach him. he has no patience [00:38] grimrider (n=grimride@nova-stat-216-255-53-121.novadsl.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:41] long mode, '64bit' is [00:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:42] psychic, spook is. Long Mode -- was my next question. :) [00:42] lowkyalur (n=low@icm5-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [00:43] man this rocks [00:43] i launched kernel compile as -j8 and not only did the machine take it just fine, i could still use the machine just as well without much lag [00:43] i've got to buy this thing! :D [00:44] TwinReverb: check your load average, you should. [00:44] yep, intel core 2 duos are nice processors [00:46] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:47] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:47] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [00:48] ananke, i7 still more [00:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-104.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:49] i can only imagine [00:50] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:51] a distcc farm, a single processor does not make [00:51] distcc sucks. icecream is better [00:51] what's icecream? [00:52] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:52] it's a distcc-like product, with improvements on a few fronts [00:52] available freely on slackware? [00:52] it's available freely, but it's not part of slackware [00:53] the one big advantage over distcc is it's dynamic setup. you don't have to statically configure each and every damn node in your farm, they can come and go as you please [00:54] is vbox part of slackware? [00:54] maxote : it's not [00:54] i wanted to run a slackwarchild inside of slackware [00:55] maxote : in fact, for most questions like 'is XYZ part of slackware', you can assume the answer is 'no' [00:55] of course [00:55] is it on slackbuilds.org, the real question is [00:57] sQuEE` (n=narya@host93.201-253-138.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:58] yes according to sbopkg [00:59] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Excess Flood [01:00] replacement for a brain, sbopkg is not [01:00] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [01:00] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: "Saindo" [01:00] lol [01:00] spook, is that what happened to you? :D :P [01:00] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:00] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:00] the xorg log says: (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_texture_from_pixmap with driver support [01:01] compiz says: * No GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap with direct rendering context [01:01] Action: macavity hammers head repeatedly into desk [01:01] fprimex (n=fprimex@97.82.223.3) left irc: "fprimex.com" [01:01] <_NaCl_> I remember something about having to set some environment variable to run that. [01:02] <_NaCl_> AIGLX is indirect. [01:02] i have direct rendering for everything else [01:03] <_NaCl_> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Intel%20with%20AiGLX has some suggestions [01:03] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:04] this is for a highly outdated version [01:05] ive been following the git commits for quite a while [01:05] drm-2.4.4, mesa-7.3, xorg-server-1.5.3 and intel-1.5.1 here [01:06] .. ok.. time to test if intel-1.6.1 will do this with UXA instead of EXA [01:06] as XAA does *not* cut it.. as this disables the XVideo functionality [01:06] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:12] Does RAID 0 allow faster disc access than RAID 1? [01:13] nvm! i found a better page on it [01:14] sQuEE (n=narya@host211.201-253-131.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [01:14] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:14] ok.. UXA is a lot faster, but still no dice :-/ [01:16] crap.. but it causes render errors :-/ [01:16] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Client Quit [01:18] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:20] sync [01:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [01:22] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-84.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:22] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:24] cowboy123: alot of things, it depends on [01:25] i see. :/ jbod, raid 0, yadda yadda. i'm not messing with it. [01:25] bombshock (n=bombshoc@modemcable130.112-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:26] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:28] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:28] ok.. i give up again.. for now [01:29] Hello. Could someone tell me if there is a net install iso so I dont need to download/burn various cds to make an install. [01:29] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-d1c49e777cfd4c8f) joined ##slackware. [01:29] get the dvd [01:29] bombshock: there is not [01:29] what? [01:29] there is not a netinstall of what? [01:29] man kde4.2 [01:29] cowboy123: want to install on an older laptop... with only a cd drive [01:29] is surprisingly stable [01:30] bombshock: USB install ? [01:30] bombshock: there's no net install for slackware i'm afraid. [01:30] bombshock: usbboot.img, install from http/nfs/samba, you then [01:30] cowboy123: there is a network install that you can do if you have another comp in a network [01:30] oh yeah, no :( [01:30] oh, thats right [01:30] duryodhan: that might work... i guess i missed that [01:30] but none from the internet [01:30] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] yes [01:30] 12.2 got support for http install [01:31] sorry, my bad [01:31] i had forgotten all about it [01:31] can you mirror a site & do it that way? [01:31] one package at a time? [01:31] in theory he should be able to burn usbboot.img to a cd and use that [01:32] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [01:32] ok [01:32] where can i get usbboot.img? I completely missed that [01:32] cowboy123: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_PXE.TXT [01:32] macavity: I don't know about http install and what it means [01:32] ha, i'm reading about pxe now :) [01:32] basic thing is ,.. [01:32] you need something to boot [01:33] and you need someplace to get the packages from [01:33] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [01:33] the two are different and you can use whatever way you want [01:33] ah crap.. kwin goes balistic with UXA :-/ [01:33] you can boot via ethernet if your comp supports it or you will need a usb key or a floppy or whatever [01:33] downgrade time [01:33] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...I am starting to HATE xorg and everything related to it" [01:34] and worst comes to worst ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/etherboot/ETHERBOOT_README.TXT [01:34] :) [01:34] that only needs a floppy and a ethernet connection [01:35] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [01:36] verbotten124 (n=verbotto@d199-74-231-70.col.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [01:36] kunwon1_ (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [01:37] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:37] verbotten124 (n=verbotto@d199-74-231-70.col.wideopenwest.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:37] false alarm :P [01:40] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [01:40] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a213-22-123-145.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Client Quit [01:40] I'm not sure what changed in my system, but now everytime I log in, my alsamixer is always muted. just started recently, at least as far as I know [01:41] kernel upgrade? [01:41] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:41] yeah, but I don't see why that would change it to default mute [01:41] it does [01:41] can you explain? [01:41] alsamixer and unmute, then "alsactl store" [01:42] then you have the new "defaults" saved [01:42] ok [01:42] I remember that now that you said it from past sound configs I've done in other installs, I just hadn't had it in slackware yet, thanks! [01:43] from now on you can expect it to always be muted untill you unmute it [01:43] that is, save the settings [01:43] that way people dont get their speakers blown out accedently [01:44] it there another mute somewhere? all of alsamixer is unmuted, but when I fire up orpheus is says "silent" and it is :) [01:44] oh, no [01:45] I restarted it and there it goes [01:45] strange, but oh well it works [01:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:48] anyone familiar with ralink rt73 chipsets? [01:48] well, rt2xxx [01:49] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] marco_ (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [01:51] cowboy123: i am fairly good with rt73usb [01:52] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] macavity: thx. you know the integer overflow issue? is it present in rt2501usb? i have links to the code if you need to see it. [01:53] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [01:54] just a sec [01:54] ok [01:57] GF was on the phone [01:58] uhm, that is the Ralink provided driver? [01:59] yes. >> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=512995 [01:59] Nick change: kunwon1_ -> kunwon1 [01:59] why dont you use the in-kernel one? [01:59] i belive that rt73usb covers this one too [02:00] hmm. it didn't work in debian etch [02:00] it works nicely here [02:00] with aircrack-ng [02:00] lowkyalur (n=low@icm5-orange.orange.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] are you on 12.2? [02:01] that was my problem. worked with ndiswrapper -- no monitor mode. yes 12.2 [02:01] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [02:01] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:02] i have it working with chop chop too here [02:02] i guess rt2501usb code is not affected. It uses NdisMoveMemory instead of memcpy, which doesn't check for "overflow in the receiving memory area" [02:02] << googling chop chop [02:03] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [02:05] cowboy123: you need this patch: http://patches.aircrack-ng.org/mac80211_2.6.27_frag+ack_v2.patch [02:06] personally i use .28 and another patch, as it has better support for the radiotap interface [02:06] got it. thx. so i can use the driver that's in the kernel? [02:07] yes, with the above patch [02:07] dont forget to install the wifi firmware package that comes with slackware [02:07] awesome. [02:07] ok [02:08] rt71w-firmware-1.8-fw-1 [02:08] it is probably another number for 12.2 [02:08] im still on 12.1 [02:08] also see: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=mac80211 [02:09] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:09] ok, awesome. i gotta mess with it now. :) [02:09] thx :D [02:10] i gotta go now [02:10] bye & thx again [02:10] but i can assure you that if you do it right, rt73usb is one of the prefered drivers for war driving [02:11] kick ass [02:11] i specifically bought mine for that, since my Intel card has, uhm, "issues" with injection in monitor mode :P [02:12] heh, that's why i bought one. to learn wireless networking [02:12] good choice then [02:12] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:12] afk [02:14] willie_ (n=willie@74.196.43.112) joined ##slackware. [02:14] hello [02:14] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] anyone awake? [02:14] kinda [02:14] What does it mean if I plug in a USB key and when I do "fdisk -l" it doesnt show up? [02:15] when I run terminal emulator under kde3.5, it locks down [02:16] redtricycle, you are impatient? [02:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:16] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-24-131-121-22.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:16] does dmesg show errors? does lsusb see it? [02:16] one sec, let me try [02:17] Oh, okay, dmesg doesnt show it [02:17] It just means I have to wait longer? [02:18] redtricycle: it doesn't even show new usb device [02:18] oh [02:18] it might not recognise thats its a disk etc. [02:18] I meant dmesg DOES show it [02:18] that was a typo [02:18] but something [02:18] dmesg shows it detects a new usb [02:18] fdisk -l, does NOT show up [02:19] willie_ (n=willie@74.196.43.112) left irc: "yawn" [02:19] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiw14.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:20] ohh then wait longer [02:20] okay.. [02:20] I've waited for like five minutes [02:20] it usually takes 10 seconds [02:21] ohh [02:21] then your disk is screwed [02:21] throw it away [02:22] :D [02:22] Is it really? o_o [02:22] lsusb shows it as: Bus 001 Device 012: ID 14cd:8125 Super Top [02:22] So, what it actually is, is a microsd connected to a microsd to usb connector [02:25] maybe it's not supported, hm [02:25] cowboy123 (n=cowboy12@adsl-232-40-38.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:28] try stopping,starting udev ? [02:28] udev calls hal iirc which i may not [02:29] and wouldn't you need an /etc/fstab entry for usbfs with usb kernel-modules loaded? [02:29] Well, other usb keys work fine [02:30] It's just this one microsd usb reader that doesnt [02:30] then probly a bad stick [02:30] or bad fs on stick [02:31] bombshock (n=bombshoc@modemcable130.112-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: [02:31] Rat409: bad fs would hae still registered as a node in /dev/ [02:32] like only /dev/sdd [02:32] sorry half-nodding off here,yes agreed [02:34] Well...I got this usb came from a friend that went to CES [02:34] maybe it's really new? How can I tell if it's unsupported, besides what I've just seen? [02:35] well glad you corrected me before i wasted his time,on that note,i best be off to sleep. [02:35] night all [02:35] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:48] somebody already bugged pat with the new mc release ? :) [02:48] http://www.midnight-commander.org/downloads/ [02:50] StealthAsimov_ (n=andy@194.47.187.155) joined ##slackware. [02:51] the utf8 patch doesnt apply. [02:51] not the one posted now neither the previous one [02:52] the mc utf8 patch [02:52] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [02:53] correction. it does apply but the build fails at some point [02:55] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:58] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:00] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:01] Nick change: StealthAsimov_ -> StealthAsimov [03:01] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [03:05] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:07] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:12] pprkut (n=hwiesing@a82-93-111-145.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:14] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [03:19] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [03:20] I have to say it's kinda neat that Quake1 still runs after all these upgrades... [03:20] somtimes you just need a relaxing way to vent... :) [03:20] xw-widgets? what pkg is that if it is a pkg? i saw codeblocks...looks like a c ide...could one help? or maybe recommend something else? [03:20] ohh and greetings [03:20] The-Croupier: it's called wxGTK now [03:21] er, I think [03:21] The-Croupier: /var/adm/packages/wxGTK-2.8.4-i486-1fba_slack12 I have one of those, anyhow. [03:21] wxwidgets + gtk backend = wxGTK [03:22] ohh thank you [03:22] that was my next question actually ;) [03:22] thanks [03:22] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [03:23] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:23] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-194-250.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [03:27] Nick change: BadAtom_ -> BadAtom [03:27] ok sorted...building now ;) thanks [03:29] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. 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[03:34] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:35] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [03:36] Frullet: That's not really in the scope of this channel, but W. Richard Stevens' books are pretty great. [03:36] his are programming books, though. [03:36] I dunno if tafe certificates are for administration [03:37] I've never found any good administration books. [03:37] I just stick to FAQs and HOWTOs for that sort of thing, usually. [03:38] Also other articles and stuff. [03:39] godling: The course is pretty much covers tcp/ip networking, i was just looking for a decent book to give me a step up in the class [03:41] Frullet: check the cisco contents [03:41] ;) could help [03:42] yeah, I guess Cisco stuff might be good for that sort of thing. *shrug* [03:42] they are ;) [03:47] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:48] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:49] Someone should write a jabber client and name it gom-jabber. [03:49] firewall.cx is a great resource i have found so far [03:55] Is it a bad idea to sync to slackware-security patches and autoinstall them? [03:57] depends on how your script does it [03:57] read UPGRADE.TXT [03:58] the concept is that, for safety reasons, you ought to switch to telinit 1 so that as few programs are running and as few files are open as possible [03:58] i've heard people complain that something broke their system and some times the cause has been trying to upgrade (for example) X.org while X.org is running [03:59] if program foo is running, you probably shouldn't upgrade it while it is running [03:59] TwinReverb: telinit 1 would be console right? [03:59] no not really, the name for it is "single user mode" iirc [03:59] gee, I've never actually tried upgrading [03:59] I've always done a fresh install [04:00] i usually do update of the pkgs...and update of the patches..;) [04:01] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:02] in theory the "perfect" way to upgrade something would be to boot slackware installer and upgrade with the OS not even running but that can be draconian [04:02] Anyone here have a ful slack 12.2 installation in a chroot? I'd like to install it and mess around with KDE4 with less (or no) risk to my main system. Any links to tutorials, or pitfalls, stuff like that greatly appreciated [04:06] Currently I'm just doing all my KDE stuff in virtualbox, which is great, but I imagine performance would be much better in a chroot environment [04:13] chopp_ (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [04:14] those gtk stuff are taking ages to compile, damn :( [04:14] and i have to compile oo,wireshark,...etc...looks like all day is gonna be spent mking pkgs and installing [04:15] Aaah, beeing at work, connecting to the home computer. <3 [04:16] kjell: thats always fun ;) [04:16] Especially the first time ;) [04:16] Action: The-Croupier is at work...connecting to irc computer [04:16] kjell: the first time is always nice :p [04:16] they say you always remember your first [04:16] :D haha [04:16] time i mean [04:17] i still remember my first time i installed slackware and startx without any kernel panics [04:18] D'oh. Need to rename a lot of my folders when I get time. [04:18] Got too many spaces. [04:19] The-Croupier, did a tear come to your eye? [04:20] when that shit happens to me I'm usually like "Yeah, fuck you computer!!" and then I flip it off. [04:21] godling: What happens? [04:21] wbcraid (n=wbcraid@ip72-199-56-93.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:21] Frullet: ohhh definately..lots of them ;) [04:22] kjell: Inevitably, some other problem. :) [04:22] godling: Hehe ok [04:23] godling, ditto here, haha [04:28] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [04:34] What are the minimum package sets I need to get Slack 12.2 working with bash, network, screen, and irssi? [04:40] I've got rtorrent started in a terminal at home. Is it possible to switch to that one while on ssh or should I have screened it? [04:43] nathanbw: try just a/ [04:43] I am not sure though [04:43] a is just base aint it? He will need network such as ssh and so on. [04:44] a, ap, n is the absolute minimum nathanbw [04:44] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.226.5) joined ##slackware. [04:44] ap is also required ? [04:44] Action: duryodhan checks up on what ap is [04:44] But you should be able to prune several of the packages in ap and n - things you don't need. You are the one to decide what you do not need [04:44] alienBOB, thanks. This should help me play with chroots without having to do a full install while I'm learning [04:45] Cool [04:45] yeah ap has screen and sudo [04:45] Does any of you know serbian language? [04:45] I'm setting up a chroot to play ultimately play with/ develop KDE 4 stuff [04:45] linuxquestions.org has several posts about a minimalistic package set. Would pay off to search there nathanbw [04:45] alienBOB, Thanks [04:46] nathanbw: umm then X would also be required [04:46] nathanbw: if you want to play with KDE you will have to also install d,x,xap and kde itself... and probably l and tcl as well [04:46] :D [04:47] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [04:48] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:48] alienBOB, duryodhan thanks for your concern :-) I'm just installing the minimal stuff in order to get my ideas straight about chroot (mainly binding /dev and being sketched about using the same fstab, group and passwd files.) I'll play around in my little system, and when I know what I am doing, do a full install. [04:49] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@79.101.226.5) joined ##slackware. [04:49] nathanbw: then might want to look at the lfs docs too [04:49] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@79.101.226.5) left irc: Client Quit [04:49] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.150.238) joined ##slackware. [04:49] duryodhan, nah, I'm not going that far ;-) They did have some stuff on chroots though which has been helpful [04:50] hi mates, in slackware 12.1 I can install fonts via Font Installer and the fonts become avaialble after the fonts were imported. but it seems that I can't do so in slackware 12.2. can anybody do me a favor? [04:54] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.227.134.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.227.134.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:56] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [04:58] alienBOB: even if the toolchain for current changes, I can use the slackbuilds in /testing to get kde4 working for me right ? [05:03] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "leaving" [05:04] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-97.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] ello [05:04] duryodhan: yes youo can always use the source to build your own packages for KDE4 [05:04] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [05:04] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [05:05] That is basically what the forks do as well - grab our sources and recompile [05:05] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:05] nathanbw: have a look at http://slackwiki.org/Minimal_System [05:05] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [05:06] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-97.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:07] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:11] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:13] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:13] alienBOB, Thanks :-) [05:15] awesome..college is closed today opens up tomorrow, and its a free day for me tomorrow :) [05:15] double wi [05:15] win [05:15] lw0x15: win, sir! [05:16] kjell: didnt go yesterday either cause of the snow [05:16] so i am having 5 day weeekend [05:16] haha, how much snow? [05:17] wait ill show you pics :) you'll understand better [05:17] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3447/3243488821_aa2edda444.jpg?v=0 -- sunday =] [05:17] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3247149420_e0a00dc31d.jpg?v=0 -- monday morning [05:17] lw0x15: slack-off, you must not [05:18] Not that much. [05:18] I could go to school in that weather :D [05:18] yeah london cant :)) [05:18] ;-) [05:18] lw0x15: cool :( [05:19] lw0x15: may i come for a visit? :) [05:19] sure [05:19] i got home baked bread [05:19] and some steak with potatoes [05:20] :\ [05:20] okay, i'm going to steal some money and stop by to say 'hello'. [05:20] bed ], [ in [05:20] lol spook [05:20] spook: :D [05:21] recycled, the joke has been [05:21] alienBOB, by the way, the chroot is going just well. Minimal install works fine :-) Thanks [05:21] Mr.Yoda's reincarnation. [05:22] Haha I'm glad I don't take care of the support. They just cant get the customer to close the call. [05:22] - Just one more question. [05:22] - *sigh* [05:22] kjell: don't you enjoy talking for free? [05:22] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [05:22] ...and even getting paid for it. [05:23] call centers have to bring their time per call down [05:23] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.150.238) left ##slackware. [05:23] i'm sorry. [05:24] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [05:29] Young_ (n=chatzill@187.4.35.4) joined ##slackware. [05:32] spook: oh, got it. [05:33] stybla: No. I see how they get frustrated. It's better to just fix a few webpages instead. [05:34] lol i saw something about downloading torrents on TV [05:34] kjell: hehe, i believe you. i don't like talking to customers, or doing support for mass-public. [05:35] lw0x15: another law enforcement on the way? :| [05:35] i dont know, sister turned it off :( [05:38] like it's not bad already. we are about to get filtered internet. [05:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-104.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [05:39] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [05:39] oh, and argument is pr0n on the i-net. [05:41] stybla: .au? [05:41] godling: no no, but .au is our pattern. [05:41] godling: .eu resp. banana republic (only?) [05:41] oh, sorry - czech republic. [05:42] I had a hot Czech teacher once. <3 [05:42] she was married, though. :( [05:43] yeah, that's all what's worth of something over here - hot babes and beer. the rest of is ... mess. [05:43] yeah :( [05:43] you should protest against internet censorship [05:44] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [05:44] I mean, we'll just find ways around it but still [05:45] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:45] extor (i=xtor@c-24-12-9-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:45] m (n=m@209.90.93.98) joined ##slackware. [05:45] protest against something? here? don't get me laugh! government doesn't give ... about protesting. but yeh, if such action takes place, i'm going for it. [05:45] move somewhere where they listen :) [05:46] like some island? :) [05:46] well, I guess you can just run to another country if you need to [05:46] stybla: Where do you live? [05:46] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:47] kjell: .cz, pay attention :P [05:47] jake (n=jake@62.249.219.218) joined ##slackware. [05:47] indeed. [05:47] Bah, my window is too tiny. :D [05:47] and my spoon is too big! [05:47] There is no spoon. [05:47] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [05:48] Action: godling points to two spoons sitting next to him. [05:48] godling: well, it seems it's not much better anywhere else. :\ and i can't as long as i'm student ... and then, i will be so poor i won't have money to run -> bounded forever. [05:48] stybla: do you have any sisters you could sell to the sex trade? [05:48] grandmothers? [05:48] nope. [05:49] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) got netsplit. [05:49] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) got netsplit. [05:49] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) got netsplit. 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[05:50] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [05:50] when i want to install a program and it starts screaming dependencies at me, where am i suposed to find them to get my programs working correctly? [05:50] deps in slackware? [05:50] godling: to get a good salary? :) [05:50] jake, slackbuilds.org ? [05:51] slava_dp, thanks [05:51] jake: it depends on the program. if it's an official package then any dependencies should come with slackware. if it's a slackbuild then check slackbuilds.org [05:51] jake, you could use sbopkg. http://sbopkg.org [05:53] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [05:53] Jork (n=uros@89.142.54.112) joined ##slackware. [05:53] [05:53] Greetings. I am a new user of Slackware Linux. I wonder where I can get some guidance for the management of Slackware on the command line. In particular I would like to know how the command line sets the internet and sound drivers for sound card audigy1? [05:53] it was just openoffice 3.0 - when i install it it says @NO@ and that it needs this that and the other [05:54] !wiki [05:54] Action: slava_dp loves sbopkg 0.26. it now shows a progress bar when looking for package updates. [05:54] oh wait there's no channel bot [05:54] Jork: slackbook.org [05:55] godling: yes, just not a very chatty bot :P [05:55] macavity: You're not my favorite Cats cat. FYI. [05:55] Jork: Have you googled? [05:55] because i break the law of gravity? [05:56] hydx (n=hydx@BSN-61-7-96.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] kjelli: No [05:56] [05:56] Slackbook I was small I did not have a prelistal nowhere find command lines to set the Internet [05:56] Jork: I found how to set up the sound after a five seconds search when I was asking my self the same question. [05:56] o you mean googled [05:56] Jork: man ifconfig; [05:56] ehm [05:56] Jork: man ip; [05:56] sorry I am not english [05:56] I think he is using a translator. :( [05:56] Jork: it is not as a command like "turn on my intarnetz" [05:56] > [05:56] :D [05:57] Jork: you actually need to know how you configure the network [05:57] yes I am using translator [05:57] Action: The-Croupier got popcorn [05:57] Action: lw0x15 lol [05:57] yes macavity [05:57] Jork: and that means reading www.slackbook.org [05:57] Jork: What language do you speak? [05:57] Slovene [05:57] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.19.88.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:57] man ive never been able to get the sound server working in slack - not in three years [05:57] Slovenia* [05:57] Jork: however, if you english is not good enough to handle english documentation you are not likely to be able to get much use of slackware [05:57] Jork: ao [05:57] only if it was Slovakia :s [05:58] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.19.88.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [05:58] spiki ao [05:58] a si ti naa? [05:58] Jork: netconfig for internet [05:58] Jork: it is a distribution that requires you to read a lot of documentation.. and mostly in entlish [05:58] Jork: alsaconf for sound [05:58] Young_ (n=chatzill@187.4.35.4) left ##slackware. [05:58] Jork: www.slackbook.org for documentation [05:58] stybla: If it was Slovakia then he would be speaking Slovak, not Slovene. [05:58] hooray for slovenina :> [05:59] Slovenia not Slovenina [05:59] :D [05:59] godling: no sh*. if it was Slovakia, i could help him ;) [05:59] typo [05:59] Slovenina? Who's that? :P [05:59] So i get all information I nedd in slackbook? [05:59] yes [05:59] good [05:59] thx guys [05:59] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Jork: have fun [06:00] Jork: but The-spiki gave you good advice: netconfig and alsaconf [06:00] godling: czech and slovak == almost the same. at least, we understand each other. [06:00] Action: macavity had completely forgotten about netconfig [06:00] jork: and dont do anything illegal with your slack [06:00] :> [06:00] hehe netconfig is nice [06:00] stybla: until you accidentally insult their mother [06:00] hydx: may i pm you? [06:00] ilegal? [06:00] lol [06:01] no [06:01] what illegal things you mean? [06:01] ql [06:01] :> [06:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI [06:01] ^^ *goddamn* that is funny :P [06:01] im high so im not helping anyone who has problems with drivers :> [06:02] yay, skunk [06:02] only foolin around testin my new awus036h [06:02] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [06:02] hydx: if you are blasted, listen to the utube link above :P [06:02] heh [06:03] cake. :( [06:03] the cake is a lie! [06:03] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-104.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:03] I still haven't played it. [06:03] godling: hehe :) [06:03] i nearly chocked from laughter [06:04] yeah i still want this cake is a lie t-shirt from jinx [06:04] the 13 year old got it for christmas.. i generally dont play games, but Portal is *so* fresh [06:04] would it be hardcore to get a tattoo of the black mesa logo? [06:04] no [06:04] the ascii version! [06:04] that would just be stupid [06:04] lol :> [06:05] ppl still make tatoos?! [06:06] yes (?) [06:06] getter than the gears of war logo [06:06] s/getter/better [06:07] if you have to go all 1337 with a game logo tatoo there is only one real choice: Pacman! [06:07] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.35.130) joined ##slackware. [06:08] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-60672a5d12a41d0d) joined ##slackware. [06:08] ok, one of the dragons from Bubble Bobble in big square pixel style could be a close seccond :P [06:09] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:11] macavity: sez you [06:11] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:12] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [06:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgP4kT5-9Cc&NR=1 [06:14] macavity: http://scout.rustedmagick.com/mmicos.gif [06:14] pick one of those for a tattoo :) [06:15] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "leaving" [06:15] nevermind, those are shitty versions :) [06:16] If I got a video game tat it'd probably be final fantasy related because I'm a huge nerd. :P [06:16] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-104.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [06:16] Action: slava_dp would not make a tatoo. [06:17] StealthAsimov (n=andy@194.47.187.155) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:17] I dig 'em. [06:19] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [06:21] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-60672a5d12a41d0d) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:21] hiya guys..how can i give rights to a users to read the /var/log/messages [06:22] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Connection timed out [06:23] chmod u+rx /var/log/messages :P [06:25] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-f0d893631445c7e7) joined ##slackware. [06:26] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:27] setfacl -m u:username:r /var/log/messages ¬_¬ [06:27] v4nelle (n=van@adsl87-238.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:28] how to tak over the world [06:28] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:29] nix_chix0r: first you have to kill everyone else. [06:29] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.206) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Nick change: fabricio` -> fabricio[work] [06:31] oh boy [06:32] godling: we dont need another bush [06:32] ;-/ [06:32] bush didn't kill everyone else [06:32] almost [06:33] no, not even almomst [06:33] blame the french [06:33] *almost [06:33] nix_chix0r: I do, and the Canuckistanians. [06:34] damn poutine freeloaders [06:34] you said a naughty word! [06:34] :O oh dear [06:36] I think I copyrighted that in ##C++. [06:36] You might owe me a quarter. [06:36] swap not working :( damn... i remember there was somthign to do with it..and free [06:36] free shows the swap..there was a command to make it start working [06:37] how bout you get to lick the spoon from the brownie mix? [06:37] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.35.130) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!" [06:37] depends on the brownies [06:37] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Amine_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [06:38] the best ones ever of course. i got the recipie off the back of a cocoa box years ago [06:39] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [06:40] mmm spoontang [06:41] :O [06:41] I'm telling! [06:41] who knew the best tv was on at this time of day, married with children is a classic [06:41] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:42] You mean you haven't hacked OTV to show what you want to watch? LAME [06:43] v4nelle (n=van@adsl87-238.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Action: The-Croupier found mkswap and swapon ;) [06:44] The-Croupier: man -k swap? :P [06:45] godling: thanks, that sounds nice ;) [06:47] Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:48] does anyone use bluewhite64? [06:50] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [06:50] Jork (n=uros@89.142.54.112) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [06:51] someone mentioned bitlbee yesterday. Does it work ok with big user lists? [06:52] Kaapa: It should. I don't have a big user list but I can't see the problem. Try it out. The limit should be in the IRC-protocol in that case. [06:52] bluewhite64 is just slamd64 compiled to be pure 64, and no credit given to fred for the work hes done on slamd64 [06:53] see slackadelic.com for details [06:53] I don't mean any tech limit. Just the usual grouping we do in other clients, is it possible? [06:53] Why no credit? Thats disrespectful. [06:53] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [06:53] slamd64 it is then i guess spook [06:53] Kaapa: Hm. Not sure. I don't dare to awnser that. [06:54] Chocotoff (n=Chocotof@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:54] I've slackware 12.2 installed in a chroot, and when I try to run 'X :1' from the console, X craps out complaining that it 'cannot find font 'fixed'' [06:55] anyone else encountered this? [06:55] kjell: the guy is a fucktard, and thats putting it politely [06:55] nathanbw: have you run mkfontscale? [06:56] spook: Yeah. [06:57] slamd64 is the official unofficial 64bit port of slackware [06:57] bluewhite is just a nuisance that needs to go away [06:57] macavity, yeah, just tried it, no luck :-( I also ran fc-cache [06:57] Will there be an official later on? [06:57] when slackware runs on 64 bit machines anyway, what is the point :p [06:58] kjell: when Patrick thinks 64bit is ready for mass consumption, he will in all parobability use slamd64 as the starting point [06:58] macavity: Oh, sweet [06:59] I've been following this guide, for the most part: http://slackworld.berlios.de/2007/chroot_howto.html [06:59] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [06:59] jake: having more than 3GB virtual adress space for each application is something more and more people need [06:59] even if someone is a dillhole he should still get credit for what he does. [06:59] Starting an X application from the chroot works (xclock shows up on the already running display :0 It's just that starting a new instance of X for display :1 doesn't work [07:02] i cant do that out of a chroot either.. the screen just goes black [07:02] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:03] In the middle of that guide, the author suggest adding another line to inittab to start the chroot on vt8. If I do that, none of the rc.X scripts in the chroot should be run, right? [07:03] nathanbw: I use Xephyr or Xnest for chroot environments. Works like a charm [07:04] pprkut, sweet. Do you have any more tips/tutorials/links about your setup or which helped you? [07:04] I'm trying to get this thing going as cleanly as I possibly can [07:05] nathanbw: sorry, it's not that clean here ;). I just installed a second instance of slack on another partition and mount proc. Nothing else, so some things don't work [07:05] nathanbw: but starting a chrooted kde4 in Xephyr is easy (I wouldn't use Xnest for kde4) [07:05] Cool, thanks for the tips though, Xnest looks bomb [07:05] ah crap [07:05] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [07:05] haha [07:06] that's where I'm going with this (kde4 development environment) [07:06] nathanbw: Xephyr does support a lot of desktop effects Xnest doesn't. [07:10] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:12] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:12] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "into the wild blue yonder" [07:12] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-5d817115.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [07:13] hello :) [07:13] hi there [07:14] I have just installed/configured sendmail to only listen on loopback, following that article: http://slackwiki.org/Sendmail:_Listen_on_Loopback_Only [07:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:14] sendmail seems to work fine, but somehow users dont get any mails [07:15] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [07:15] maybe no one is writing to tem [07:15] them :] [07:15] I tested it ;) [07:15] with mail -v -s "test" user [07:15] and like I said sendmail makes no complaints but when I log in as user there is no new mail [07:16] am I missing something? :> [07:16] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [07:17] firehol or firestarter [07:18] m (n=m@209.90.93.98) left irc: "Leaving" [07:19] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [07:19] ? [07:20] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:20] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.226.5) left irc: "Leaving" [07:21] Xaviertoor (n=User@189-015-148-143.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:23] do majority of people just compile the kernel from source rather than worry about slackpkg? [07:26] fabricio[work] (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:28] why do you have to worry about slackpkg? [07:29] im not [07:29] sorenp (n=Soren@79.136.53.23) joined ##slackware. [07:29] im asking what is the preferred method [07:30] make [07:30] k [07:30] make modules_install [07:31] is the preferred method [07:31] ok [07:32] there is a file in the wiki as well, kernel compile [07:34] Ether_Man__ (i=DJ@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) joined ##slackware. [07:36] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-242-65-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [07:37] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:37] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [07:37] Nick change: Ether_Man__ -> Ether_Man [07:38] 13.37 [07:38] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] Ether_Man (i=DJ@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] Xaviertoor: huh, using generic + an initrd is the prefered method :S [07:39] building your own kernel is not. [07:39] fred, http://slackwiki.org/Kernel_Compilation#Compiling_v2.6 [07:39] Xaviertoor: That's recommended on the "Kernel Compilation" page [07:40] that doesn't mean that kernel compilation is the preferred kernel upgrade method. [07:40] ok [07:43] blogbasti (n=blogbast@calypso.planet-ic.de) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:45] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [07:46] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [07:46] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:47] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:47] I'm an idiot [07:48] Ok [07:48] Ether_Man (n=user@EtherMan.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] You can just start a new X instance from the host and give it a different display (X :1) [07:48] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:48] then the chroot environment can start any wm/de it likes there [07:48] haha [07:48] all that trouble [07:50] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [07:51] lol windows servers are just lol.. if you want to reboot it [07:51] the server asks why :> [07:53] whats so lol about that? [07:53] you have logged reasons as to reboots [07:54] yeah but everytime ? [07:54] of course, would be better if you didn't need to do it so often [07:55] yes, everytime - in order to make sure you have a logged reason for every reboot [07:55] that'd tick me off having to type a reason [07:55] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.28.115) left irc: "leaving" [07:56] makes perfect sense from a manglement pov [07:56] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:56] Amine_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:56] heh 'manglement' [07:57] :) [07:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.28.115) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.28.115) left irc: Client Quit [07:57] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:58] also means you can pull logs stating you had to reboot the server due to x bsod, or y hardware failures, so need to do z to sort it, when trying to persuade manglement to part with money [07:58] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.28.115) joined ##slackware. [07:59] oh I got no issue with logging, but if you're setting up a box, that's retarded [07:59] kama (n=kama@host65-115-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:00] of course, so far they haven't let me upgrade to linux yet (although I;ve sneaked a few in) [08:00] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:00] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:01] ktabic, so the big question remains , "how long does one let a linux box "just work" before they say to management...see I done/did it already and you never knew and I saved you money" ? :) [08:01] http://karolis.gw.lt/screenshots/snapshot26.png [08:01] lol [08:01] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:01] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [08:02] Olf_Fogie: here you don't tell them anythig unless you want money out of them [08:02] lw0x15, hmmm no "catastrophic failure" check box :) [08:02] ;-D [08:02] ktabic, ah I see gotcha [08:02] right i remember that making something +x in rc.d/ it runs but is there anything else to make it start in startup? [08:02] like rc.firewall for example? [08:02] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [08:02] The-Croupier, ? I came in late [08:03] they might have the money, but they are still 'only users' and don't need to know [08:03] ktabic, I see. [08:03] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-153-71.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:03] ktabic, part of me would want the 'glory' and 'recognition' in these hard times (just how I'm wired I guess) [08:04] always easy to sit back and play quarterback tho, heh :) [08:04] The-Croupier: if it isn't part one of the default slackware rc scripts, you probably need to call it from rc.local [08:04] ktabic: i see ;) that is what i couldnt remember ..so if i put whatever in rc.d/ i have to call it from rc.local ;) [08:04] The-Croupier, ^^ unless you need it to start before some of the other stock scripts (like networking or something) [08:04] ktabic: thank you [08:05] Old_Fogie: ?! little confused now [08:05] like clamav needs to be started before sendmail [08:05] so that would be a diff script [08:05] glory blah, I just want them to leave me alone ;) [08:05] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:06] The-Croupier, in my clamav example that would be editing /etc/rc.d/rc.M file [08:06] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [08:06] The-Croupier, just before X starts, or you get to a login prompt that would be rc.local file. if you need something started way before that...rc.M is typically the file to edit. [08:07] hmmm i see, i just got an rc.firewall.generic script i want to modify and see how it runs. i put it in rc.d/ chown it and whanted to start it before i start the internet [08:07] The-Croupier, so _you_ have to know what's needed on the system up and running first for your script and edit either of the two accordingly. [08:08] rworkman: cool; Lucas is a funny guy :) He's the one who started the fix for hal when udev rid of udevinfo [08:08] The-Croupier, no just name it /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall and it will start automagically, Slackware looks for a file called that on startup, but it must be "chmod 0755" [08:08] Old_Fogie: yep, chmod is fine ;) [08:08] The-Croupier, your script should honor "/etc/rc.d/rc.firewall start" and "/etc/rc.d/rc.firewall stop" accordingly [08:09] The-Croupier, if you look at alienbob's scripts, you'll see that you can start stop it whenever, it will clear iptables, etc so no reboot needed for a quick test on the fly. It's good to do that first before booting up with it I think. [08:10] Old_Fogie: dejavu..we had this conversation in the summer and you said the same exact thing [08:10] ;) [08:10] The-Croupier, heh, we all got our sticking points [08:10] v4nelle (n=van@adsl87-238.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:10] Old_Fogie: i have only one simple question, iptables..how can i see if that is run ? [08:11] started /stoped? [08:11] The-Croupier, # iptables -L [08:11] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [08:12] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:12] The-Croupier, in dmesg output , you'll also see something like ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team [08:12] Old_Fogie: thank you...they look like acls in cisco book i read [08:12] ah [08:13] wow this is 'tarded, you build ftgl to build chromium without freeglut, but ftgl links to freeglut anyhow if it's onboard :) [08:13] i see, that looks like i have lots of work to do with this... [08:13] thank you [08:13] Old_Fogie: i didnt build something like that [08:14] The-Croupier, it shouldn't be..just snag the start/stop, anc clear iptables commands off alien's scripts and run with that [08:14] you must unlearn, what you have learned [08:14] spook: ?! [08:15] Old_Fogie: ok ;) ill get stuff that i need and try to make something nice ;) [08:15] thank you [08:15] Old_Fogie, i dont think a chmod +x rc.firewall is enough .. he must have some entry in entry in rc.M .. rc,sysvinit does not do this [08:15] v4nelle (n=van@adsl87-238.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:15] The-Croupier: like yoda i have been talking all day [08:15] ALVAN, "cd /etc/rc.d && grep rc.firewall *" <--- :) [08:16] spook: lol [08:16] ALVAN: sure it does :) [08:17] rc,inet2 the same as adding in rc.M :D .. but i know that was not there before [08:17] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:18] ALVAN, yup I "SOTcp - sed over tcp" while you had your head turned :) [08:18] how to rm a file beginning with - ? [08:18] The-Croupier: to my boss, i sent an email worded like that [08:18] haqe17, rm -f "-file" [08:19] didnt work [08:19] ok then rm -f '-file' [08:19] nope, still thinks next letter is an option [08:20] dangerous here, but if file was -test you could do # rm *tes* [08:21] i dont think it needs to escape that "-" .. haqe17 try also rm -f \-file [08:21] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Old_Fogie: that actually doesn't work either, but i've figured it out. it was rm ./-file [08:22] giuppy (n=giuppy@host252-160-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [08:23] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:25] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:26] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [08:26] spook: you must know the boss pretty well then, cos my boss got me through a whole seminar on writtting emails the way he wants them :( [08:27] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:27] if i write something like that he could like fire me on the spot [08:28] Ether_Man (n=user@EtherMan.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:28] Ether_Man_ (i=DJ@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:28] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [08:33] The-Croupier: got away with it, i think [08:34] The-Croupier: but, isn't that a good thing? [08:34] The-Croupier: i mean, instead of firing you, he have shown you the way he wants e-mails written. [08:34] +to be [08:37] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [08:38] if you get fired you get severance [08:38] stybla: never said it was bad...it is indeed well nice to write like you are writting to a mayer or something even when talking to your assistant [08:39] spook: may be in the US you do :\ [08:41] Chocotoff (n=Chocotof@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: [08:42] in australia, i am [08:43] if contracted you are, penalties for breaking the contract your employer must pay [08:43] not if you're slave. [08:44] Ether_Man_ (i=DJ@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [08:44] giuppy (n=giuppy@host252-160-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:45] stybla: there are no slaves :p [08:47] Chocotoff (n=Chocotof@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Action: nix_chix0r meeps spook [08:47] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:47] The-Croupier: you don't say. [08:47] reality check? [08:48] :( [08:48] ehm [08:48] :) [08:49] nix_chix0r: the little one? [08:49] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Connection timed out [08:49] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:50] guys, in what group should a user be in order to be able to shutdown ? [08:51] spook, what about him [08:51] power group? [08:51] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:51] The-Croupier, if from KDE's kdm then "power" group, if using cli then it's a sudo command [08:52] using xfce [08:52] power [08:53] nix_chix0r: fare, how does he? [08:53] Old_Fogie: thank you [08:53] he's chillin out near my rib cage this morning [08:53] Action: The-Croupier is checking his group/firewall [08:54] kama (n=kama@host65-115-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:54] tho this is ##slackware maybe a nice note in /topic on slamd64 released? [08:54] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:54] Old_Fogie: concur, i do [08:58] rudolf_ (n=rudolf@p57A2F4EE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] hi [08:58] Hi rudolf. [08:58] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:58] Zordrak: Ping [08:58] there is something like apt-file for slackware? need to compile something and dont know in which package Xutils.h is [08:59] rudolf_, cd /var/log/packages , grep Xutils.h * [08:59] agentc0re: pong [08:59] Old_Fogie: didnt install it [08:59] Zordrak: Hey, so you use Horde? Is it horde groupware webmail? [08:59] rudolf_, slackware puts a log of all the files , of a packages, in a text file, in /var/log/packages, you just grep for it [08:59] .h sounds like a file in the source [09:00] agentc0re: effectively [09:00] killahsmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] morning all [09:00] Zordrak: I am looking to use it as a replacement for exchange. What are you opinions on that since you have experience using it? [09:01] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:01] Old_Fogie: i mean to search to this file in the online repo of slackware [09:02] rudolf_, slackware doesnt ship gatos [09:02] cause i do NOT have this file at the system [09:02] rudolf_, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gatos/gatos_0.0.5-18/libgatos-dev.copyright [09:02] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:02] It's not a replacement for exchange because it has no mailserver you would need to combine it with an MTA [09:02] rudolf_, homepage is at top [09:02] rudolf_, I dont know of any 3rd party Slack repo's that packages the gatos stuff [09:03] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) joined ##slackware. [09:03] no [09:03] Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:03] its not 3d party its part of the official slackware collection [09:04] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Zordrak: Oh i know that. [09:04] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:04] rudolf_, which package? [09:04] Old_Fogie: thanks man, it worked [09:04] rudolf_, what are you compiling? [09:04] wmii 3.6 [09:04] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [09:04] agentc0re: for what it is I like it. IMP is a fantastic webmail client, kronolith is suiting me very well as a calendar server that I use primarily with lightning/sunbird, but I havent played much with turba and that ticket system is no match for RT from BestPractical [09:04] Zordrak: I would be using it with postfix and dovecot. [09:04] Chocotoff (n=Chocotof@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: [09:04] agentc0re++ [09:05] in which case i recommend it.. because in the next month thats EXACTLY what im doing on a corporate level [09:05] rudolf_, http://packages.slackware.it/ a package browser/search tool [09:05] Zordrak: what do you do exactly in life : ? [09:05] the company mailserver is getting replaced.. and it's becoming postfix+postgrey+spamassassin+dovecot+spf-policy+dovecot+horde [09:06] Zordrak: Two dovecots? [09:06] so heres a noobish question. i need for [particular user] to be able to access [particular dir]. that particular dir is set to 711 right now.. how can i have it so that only [particular user] is able to access that [09:06] rudolf_, all I can say is I dont see it as a slackware file, and searching other distro's point that file to gatos [09:06] Amine: Sole Peripatetic IT Systems Administrator for a Silicon Chip Design Company [09:06] muraii: no [09:06] muraii: just too many arguments to my addition :) [09:06] Zordrak: that's cool homie :) [09:06] hd (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [09:06] rudolf_, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/wmii/ [09:07] Zordrak: We only use Exchange really for the MAPI functions, which we can get out of IMAP, and calendaring functions. I just need them to work with in outlook, which it does look possible. IE sharing calendars and "public" calendars. [09:07] Zordrak: and your company trust Slackware all the time or they use other distro ? [09:07] i dont want to chgrp, or chown at all there has to be a way to add 1 other specific user to access it [09:07] Amine: the company's IT decisions are mine alone to make [09:07] Amine: I only use slackware at my office. [09:07] Amine: and i do EVERYTHING on Slackware where I can [09:08] agentc0re: Outlook compatability could be a sticking point [09:08] your mum, i do on slackware [09:08] Zordrak: so there is a moment when you can't use slackware ? [09:08] agentc0re: I dont know if Outlook can subscribe to a Kronolith Calendar [09:08] nfoss (n=codehabi@pool-71-112-166-132.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Amine: Yes [09:08] slackytude (i=1009@g228019189.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Zordrak: when for example ? [09:09] Zordrak: Well i've looked at a few of the "connectors" and they are doing what Outlook 2007 can do now. Just requires a url to the webDav. [09:09] Nick change: hd -> HellDragon [09:09] Zordrak: iCal. [09:09] agentc0re: cool [09:09] Zordrak: I am a programmer and I want to learn more about sys administration :) [09:09] Old_Fogie: packages.slackware.it yes that i mean. do u have that for a konsole? [09:10] personally I just mandate that people arent allowed to migrate to Outlook.. and Ive nearly converted all the old users to thunderbird.. iust a few outlookers left [09:10] Amine: you're in the right place [09:10] rudolf_, I don't understand what you mean [09:10] Zordrak: Is it pretty easy to integrate all the horde functionality into thunderbird with lightening? [09:10] switch to outlook, one of my clients wants to [09:10] rudolf_, there's buildscripts I posted a link for too above, not sure if you noticed that from Slackbuilds.org [09:10] spook: didnt i ask you to die? [09:11] Zordrak: Ok so tell me when you can't trust Slackware and use other distro ? [09:11] HRmm, spook is speaking the language of old, he is. [09:11] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [09:11] agentc0re, watch that old stuff will ya :) [09:11] agentc0re: not sure what you mean by integrate... [09:11] Zordrak: part of like, death is [09:11] agentc0re: lightning works perfectly with kronolith [09:11] Old_Fogie: i noticed. packages.slackware.it has a search function. i want to know whether such function exists as a console program [09:12] rudolf_, no [09:12] rudolf_, slpackpkg [09:12] agentc0re: the rest doesnt really integrate with TB.. its an alternative for web-use [09:12] slackpkg search [09:12] /var/log/packages [09:12] slackytude, he means for apps that are 3rd party [09:12] Amine: no.. [09:12] Zordrak: See ldap contacts for entire company and have all the calendaring functions. [09:12] ah, ok [09:12] rudolf_, use console browser, links, lynks [09:12] rudolf_: /var/log/packages [09:12] libX11 is not 3d party [09:12] agentc0re: the LDAP requires an LDAP server and you point TB at it.. not a horde thing [09:12] rudolf_, you didnt post for libX11 [09:13] i posted that iam searching for Xutil.h and this file is in libX11 [09:13] Amine: some silicon tool vendors require that you run RHEL and we have an expensive backup system running on Sun/Solaris [09:13] Amine: but the whole core network runs slackware [09:13] bittin (n=bittin@62.212.66.69) joined ##slackware. [09:13] but does not matter u gave me the tip ^^ [09:13] Xutils.h <-- that's what you asked about [09:14] that's not in Slackware 'proper' [09:14] Zordrak: From the doc's i've been reading, i swear it's been making it out to seem that horde "controls" it though. I understand that i'd need the ldap sever, but what is going to "serve" it out. Horde, right? [09:14] agentc0re: TBH i reccomend running your own personal copy for playing with and getting used to before you deploy to a company [09:14] Old_Fogie: ok sry [09:14] agentc0re: no, LDAP is LDAP [09:14] Zordrak: Ya, that's todays project. [09:14] agentc0re: you access it the same way from anywhere [09:14] ldap server serves it [09:14] Sr-knoppix_debia (n=Sr-knopp@189.71.66.187) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:14] TBH? [09:15] agentc0re: horde really is one of those.. install THEN play jobs to get your head around it [09:15] Zordrak: thank you homie :) [09:15] rudolf_, and that file , the only place I can find, shows it part of gatos, which slackware doesnt ship. now if you're building wmii go to the link I gave you to Slackbuilds.org and use their scripts to build the wmii for yourself. read their faq if your not familiar. you can go their by a console web browser, or by a console ftp client as well if need be [09:15] slackytude: http://www.google.com/search?q=tbh [09:16] slackytude: Damn, you just got google slapped. :P [09:16] rudolf_, ftp://slackbuilds.org/12.2/ [09:16] agentc0re: slackytude gets it daily [09:16] [in bed] [09:16] agentc0re: die [09:16] its ok. now I know it stands for Brazilian Telecom holders [09:17] fail [09:17] TBH [09:17] Zordrak always does that [09:17] not BTH [09:17] "wtf tbh", if bsd-games, you have [09:17] FAILBUS is coming for you! :P [09:17] Gee... I don't know what tbh means... [09:17] slackytude: 3rd result [09:17] Gee... I don't know what tbh means... [09:17] to.be.honest the failbus is coming your way :D [09:17] slackytude: if i can find out in 3 seconds, you can find it in 20 [09:18] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.6) joined ##slackware. [09:18] *sigh* [09:18] no love today [09:18] Gee... I don't know what nlt means... [09:19] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:20] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:20] http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/03/0146256&from=rss [09:20] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:22] slackytude: have you failed? [09:22] many times so far [09:22] i've mean at school. [09:22] oh, no. first exam went well, tomorrow should be going well, too. Its friday and monday I worry about [09:23] trying to take a break now, not doing much at the moment [09:23] Action: muraii is starting to wonder if Rat Poison is the way to go. [09:23] i see. well, good for you. i'm expecting big failure tomorrow, even i've tried to learn. [09:23] stybla, how about micro economics [09:23] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-242-65-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:23] slackytude: ^^ [09:23] eh, I see [09:23] slackytude: it doesn't ring any bells :( [09:24] slackytude: 4-5 days wasted by nothing. [09:24] thats not good [09:24] or *for* nothing [09:24] yeah, but what can one do? :\ [09:24] I'll have basic economy on monday and no clue whatsoever [09:25] slackytude, it's ok, we have politician's in office with no clue on basic economy either [09:25] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:26] slackytude: should be okay. i had economy at middle school - was okay. [09:26] Old_Fogie, heh. they wont have to waste they weekends in a futile attempt to get it in their heads by monday, tho [09:26] stybla, I sure hope so. [09:26] slackytude: i've meant high school there ... well .. eh :( [09:26] Action: stybla feels brainwashed today :( [09:27] in which package is the program as. dont find anything in packages.slackware.it [09:27] I know the feeling [09:27] Gee... I don't know what it means... [09:27] /var/log/packages/ [09:27] spook: no there [09:27] slackytude: i say, they should make school forbidden place. [09:27] sed: -e expression #1, char 4: unknown command: `V' [09:27] Gee... I don't know what /var/log/packages/ means... [09:28] stybla, we dont need no education ^-^ [09:28] yes you do, you just used a double negative [09:28] :D [09:28] itcrowd, <3 [09:28] can someone do a grep as /var/log/packages [09:28] heh [09:29] spook: indeed. :p [09:29] rudolf_: what's the needle? [09:29] rudolf_, binutils [09:29] rudolf_, that's a real minimal box your compiling on over there huh :) Welcome to dependency hell then :) [09:29] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Old_Fogie: yes thought i can find programs i need with a tool and install them then [09:30] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:30] rudolf_: been there done that, give up now. [09:30] rudolf_, sure you can , you just have to know where to look. and slacky does show that here [09:30] fwiw :) [09:31] spook: i thought you went to bed like three or four hours ago :) [09:31] Old_Fogie: but not at packages.slackware.it :) [09:31] rudolf_, but most people also know that a package like binutils is a much needed package to build with, it's part of 'debian buildessentials' too if you will [09:31] bedded your mum, i did [09:31] spook: love ya too <3 [09:31] Old_Fogie: yes but i didnt know that as is in binutils [09:31] rudolf_, http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=current&t=1&q=%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fas [09:31] shows it to me [09:33] Old_Fogie: not to me http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=current&t=2&q=as [09:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340702.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:33] rudolf_, I just gave you the link it shows it, if you dont want to read the [search tips] I cant help ya :) [09:33] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:34] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) joined ##slackware. [09:35] rudolf_: bin or binutils [09:35] resp. bin86 [09:35] ah, that's as86 [09:36] Old_Fogie: can u say me then how i install everything from the developing tree? [09:36] cause i didnt at the installation [09:37] /slackware/d/*.tgz, installpkg [09:37] spook: ? [09:37] rudolf_: mount /dev/cdrom; installpkg /mnt/cdrom/slackware/d/*.tgz; [09:37] rudolf_: just ignore spook [09:38] Action: stybla pets spook [09:38] stybla: cant do it online? [09:38] personally, I'd upgradepkg --install-new (since installpkg clobbers existing) [09:38] rudolf_: sure. download all packages from d/ into desired folder and then exec # installpkg; [09:39] hmmmmm [09:39] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [09:39] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [09:39] rudolf_: i'm sorry, but i don't support any 3rd party pkg tools. i can't help you with this question (i'm not saying it's impossible). [09:39] PsYkHe (n=psykhe@189-53-27-248-ebt.cm.ja.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:41] upgradepkg --install-new is definitely preferred [09:41] Anyone here able to get xmoto 0.5 series on ./configure to find sqlite 3.6. series? [09:44] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [09:44] oh nm I got it "LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS -ldl" \" after declaring our flags [09:45] I had to do that for the secret rabbit code too [09:45] marble notebook ftw! [09:46] dwarf <3, red [09:47] for brains, smeg [09:47] when I was a little kid I used to like to talk like Yoda, and my mother told me to stop it or I'd get stuck that way [09:47] short and bald? [09:47] too late, it is [09:48] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:48] had no idea she was telling the literal truth... poor spook :( [09:49] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:49] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340702.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:50] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:50] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:50] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [09:50] [ in bed ], a good woman she is [09:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-153-71.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [09:53] anyone know the best way to find out what packages are missing from a full install? [09:54] check /var/log/removed_packages/ you must [09:54] you mean an almost-full install? [09:54] (as in, the missing packages were never installed?) [09:54] Urchlay: effectively yeah [09:55] yepo [09:55] someone did an install for me at a remote DC, but some pkgs are missing [09:55] but i dont know which [09:56] diff packages.txt /var/log/packages, check [09:56] you really need a yoda plugin for bash [09:56] packages.txt /var/log/packages, diff [09:57] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:58] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) joined ##slackware. [10:00] need a faster mirror :( [10:01] just choose a different one [10:01] meh.. i'll wait [10:01] try spooksoftware.com/slackware/ [10:01] or make a local one for yourself. [10:03] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:03] guys, does anyone use asteisk? [10:04] nachox: played with it, i did [10:04] quite awesome, it was [10:04] agree ^ [10:04] spook, how does it authenticate users? [10:05] j0z (n=UNIX@201-89-72-240.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:05] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [10:05] uses a PIN doesn't it? [10:05] nachox: ways, various [10:05] spook, is there any secure way to do it? ssl? [10:06] nachox: you know there is #asterisk, right? :-) [10:06] kamaji, yes, but i trust you guys better :P [10:06] nachox: depends on protocol, it does [10:06] SIP [10:07] quite versatile, sip is [10:07] the asterisk book, have you read? free, it is [10:08] nope, i havent [10:08] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:08] what's the problem with asterisk ? [10:08] on the asterisk website, it is hosted/linked to [10:08] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) joined ##slackware. [10:08] an o'reilly book, it is [10:08] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:08] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left ##slackware. [10:09] nachox: what is your question ? [10:09] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [10:09] how festival sounds speaking like yoda, i wonder [10:10] spook: you funny man :) you began ... [10:11] Amine, there is an asterisk i'm setting up to deal with SIP calls from the internet, and i'm wondering if A) they can be encrypted or B) the authentication can be done through an encrypted channel [10:11] nachox: VPN! [10:11] \O/ [10:12] nachox: you can also use stunnel for seamless encryption [10:12] straterra, that is one of the strategies i was thinking about, but i dont know whether that is possible or not, users are dumb, remember? [10:12] well [10:12] nachox: yes it they will use VPN connection or Specialized Line [10:12] don't put the vpn's on the individual clients [10:12] You could do it at their gateway [10:12] cant, they are roadwarriors [10:13] ah [10:13] you can make the openvpn-gui app pretty automated [10:13] marcos_potter (n=marcos@189.7.116.10) joined ##slackware. [10:13] i hate openvpn [10:14] nachox: more than a n other vpn server? [10:14] besides, there is the latency issue [10:14] beat users with a sledger hammer, you can. sensible to do, it is not. [10:14] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:14] nachox: what type of connection they told you to use ? ISDN, t1, e1 ... [10:14] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Zordrak, nachox openvpn is a old vpn solution. maybe use strongswan or other solution like that [10:15] Amine, it's a fast enough connection to the internet, i'm not concerned about that [10:15] openvpn is an old vpn solution? [10:15] fprimex (n=fprimex@ip-152010133156.its.appstate.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:15] uh..what [10:15] considerable [10:15] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:15] nachox: open VPN work great we used it last year to connect france and morocco call center [10:15] I'd use openvpn over ipsec [10:16] marcos_potter, i much rather use ipsec, but it sometimes cant be done, natting is a pain in the a$$ for example [10:16] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) joined ##slackware. [10:16] OpenVPN plays much much much much much much nicer over NAT devices than ipsec [10:16] straterra: your mum, i would do [ in bed ] [10:16] rudolf_ (n=rudolf@p57A2F4EE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:16] straterra: right ! [10:16] spook, ... [10:16] straterra, ok, using nat openvpn is batter than ipsec [10:16] nachox: let him he is the clown of channel :P [10:17] but nat s*x [10:17] spook: what? [10:17] s*x? [10:17] when 900 years old you reach, be as funny you will not [10:17] Action: Amine NAT is the evil of VOIP [10:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:17] marcos_potter: last time I checked...LOTS of people use NAT [10:18] So..even though it 's*x', its still a real world consideration [10:18] straterra, last time i checked... LOTS of people are n00bs [10:18] zomgn00bl3tss [10:18] NAT != "n00b" [10:18] Especially in corporations [10:19] nachox: you can choose a cisco's VOIP router it's do the job too [10:19] I don't want to have to buy a net block just so that I don't use NAT [10:19] straterra, nat is a bad solution (is a solution?!) [10:19] NAT itself is not a bad solution [10:19] some of its implementations are [10:19] argh :( [10:19] it is. [10:19] IPV6 TIME! [10:19] NAT sucks, period. [10:20] Alan_Hicks: there are times where NAT is preferable [10:20] Even in ipv6 [10:20] I'd much rather have an entire netblock of publicaly routable addresses. [10:20] straterra: Such as? [10:20] Alan_Hicks: $$$$$$ for the netblock [10:20] a woman, if nat was, suck like a vacuum cleaner it would [10:20] Alan_Hicks: transitioning ipv4 only apps to ipv6 [10:20] nachox: to avoid problems nat in VOIP you have to just know what exactly range of ports to authorize [10:21] straterra: First of all, I'm not taking money into the equation. After all, when IPv6 gets here, IP addresses will be so abundant you should get netblocks for next to nothing. [10:21] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.29) joined ##slackware. [10:21] And NAT really isn't the solution for transitioning apps. [10:21] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [10:21] Reread what I said..I said nothing about getting netblocks for ipv6 o.O [10:21] straterra: my current (free) allocation gives me 2^32 times as many IP addresses as the entire IPv4 space [10:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.51) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:21] get a free /64 block, with ipv4 addresses you get [10:21] cost isn't going to be an issue. [10:21] fred: again..I'm taling ipv4 netblocks [10:22] talking^ [10:22] NAT is a viable sollution for maybe situations [10:22] please give a preferable that applies to "Even in ipv6" [10:22] nachox: check this books : building telephony systems with asterisk (2005).pdf, Asterisk Hacking.pdf, and voip-info website it's enough to be good in asterisk [10:22] and NAT is a nasty solution to that [10:22] IPv6 is a better one. [10:22] fred: transitioning ipv4 only apps to ipv6 [10:22] Amine, we're also considering a closed cisco solution too of course, specially now that i know a secure solution involving asterisk is more convoluted [10:22] If you got the moeny for it and a need, get a netblock. Otherwise you're forced to use NAT, but not because NAT is better or preferable, but because you can't afford real IP addresses. [10:22] IPv6 has IPv4 tunneling and compatibility addresses. [10:22] fred: congrats on slamd64 12.2 btw [10:23] get a free /64 block, with ipv4 addresses you get [10:23] alienBOB: thanks, and sorry for the delay :p [10:23] when kernel 2.6.28 go to -current tree? [10:23] Don't be sorry ;-) [10:23] spook: that shit is getting annoying [10:23] a 48 block, in fact [10:23] (sorry my english) [10:23] NAT is actually painfull and forces you to do a lot of crap... [10:23] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Connection timed out [10:23] what lot of crap? [10:23] congrats fred :) [10:23] nachox: ok, good luck [10:23] Face it. NAT blows, but unless you're already on IPv6 or have tons of money, you're stuck with it. [10:24] hehe :) [10:24] But that does not mean that it's "good" or even "preferable" to other things. [10:24] NAT doesn't blow. It has a use. [10:24] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [10:24] nat == crap [10:24] Just like the Windows bashing that goes on here.. [10:24] straterra: you've not given one that doesn't have a better laternative. [10:24] NAT's one and only use is a kludge to "fix" a problem with a shortage of IP addresses. That's all it is. [10:24] ipv6 now! =D [10:24] Anybody else getting bad certificate check for https for yahoo sign in with opera? FF3 shows it as good, yahoo doesn't. [10:24] rudolf_ (n=rudolf@p57A2F4EE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] fred: eh? [10:25] *alternative [10:25] s/ff3 shows good opera doesnt [10:25] "a use" [10:25] Alan_Hicks: that..and what if someone doesnt WANT routable addresses to all of their machines? [10:25] one single question. need to change my fontsize in gtk programs. what to do? [10:25] fred: but don't forget slam64 is still a port of Slackware or pat will be angry :P [10:25] fred: a use being what has already been said..not everyone can afford a netblock..and thank god they can't [10:25] Then either A) they're crazy or B) they should just use a stateful firewall and filter the crap. [10:26] straterra: as said: better alternative: IPv6 [10:26] straterra, they would connect to the internet through proxies instead [10:26] then you don't need an IPv4 netblock. [10:26] NAT is a hack, bad hack too [10:26] fred: unfortunately virtually nothing is using ipv6 at this point in time [10:26] nachox: it still serves a purpose...a real world purpose [10:26] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:26] straterra: more popular != better [10:27] I never said more popular == better [10:27] you're implying it. [10:27] 2002: [10:27] I somehow think being able to access 90% of the internet == better [10:27] windows == more popular == better [10:27] :P [10:27] price of netblocks is due to them being in short supply; fix: switch to a system that gives more netblocks. [10:27] 2002: prefix [10:27] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [10:27] Yes..but until MOST people switch, the switch is damn useless [10:28] Besides google, what other major internet service uses ipv6? [10:28] straterra: get rid of nat, and there's not enough IPv4 addresses already; so I see that argument as rather bseside the point [10:28] ipv6.spooksoftware.com [10:28] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Meh..whatever..this isn't going anywhere..but you know, nat IS getting reintroduced in to ipv6 [10:29] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [10:30] one single question. need to change my fontsize in gtk programs. what to do? [10:30] rudolf_: a sledgehammer, you require [10:30] rudolf_, what window manager are you using? [10:31] fred, i'll consede this, up till now, ipv6 was mostly unnecesary because of NAT [10:32] can someone using synaptics in 12.2 help me find the cause for a problem? [10:32] nachox: NAT was entirely unnecessary because of the availablity of IPv6 :p [10:33] I wouldn't say unnecessary. Certainly in the "first world" we have enough IP addreses thanks to NAT (for now), but in developing countries they have been in short supply for years. [10:33] too used to nat, sysadmins have become [10:33] NAT was before ipv6 was considered mature enough to use [10:33] a substitute for proper security, it has become for them [10:33] a substitute for proper security, it is not [10:33] fred, just asking here, if a company already has ip4/nat set up, running and all is well; what advantage at this time is there to spending money to upgrade/change out the nat? [10:34] http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/04/18/understanding-ipv6-nat-pt/ [10:34] Old_Fogie: at this stage, it's more that the backbones and ISPs need to start pushing i tout [10:34] Old_Fogie: Depends on the company really. [10:35] something adds proto=imps to modprobe psmouse. It's not /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse, but what else can it be? [10:35] pprkut, gpm ? [10:35] the main problem i think was the cash that was necesary to update the backbone of internet to become ipv6 ready [10:35] fred, Alan_Hicks ty [10:35] Old_Fogie: I think it's not started [10:36] nope, not running [10:36] pprkut, looked at /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse file? it calls it there here on 12.1 not at a 12.2 box a.t.m. [10:37] oh you said that sorry [10:37] Old_Fogie: /if the backbone was there/, one IP per machine helps make your network more transparent for your support services (and for accountability) [10:37] Old_Fogie: I actually use that file to work around the issue....but I would like to find the real cause of it [10:37] fred: the accountability thing isn't necessarily true [10:37] Especially with privacy extensions [10:38] pprkut, what about /etc/rc.d/rc.modules* file(s) [10:38] straterra: I don't see companies employing those. [10:38] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) joined ##slackware. [10:38] I've connected to my shell from work and I just ran a big slackbuild-script. Can I close the session or should I have started a screen? [10:38] Old_Fogie: right. Had that thought too, but no [10:38] eg your IT department gets a mail saying that is DoSing, it's more effort than an email saying [10:38] fred: Vista has it enabled by default [10:38] fred, ah ok [10:38] Old_Fogie: it isn't the kernel either, as I use the same kernel image + modules in 12.1, and it works there [10:39] pprkut, that's really the only two files that I can think of that affect the bringing up of the mouse module [10:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:40] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) left irc: Client Quit [10:40] Old_Fogie: you use synaptics? [10:40] pprkut, would bringing up the mouse the way you want it, and a 'depmod' make a diff? [10:40] pprkut, I do but I'm not on it now, and the imps seems fine for me [10:40] smeg [10:40] Action: Amine other distro give you a proverbial fish, Slackware teach you how to fish -Amine [10:41] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-242-65-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Old_Fogie: You lost me in you're depmod sentence ;) [10:41] tweakarn (n=iskorpti@d205.csc.lt) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:42] other distros don't just give you a fish, they clean it, fillet it, cook it and serve it up [10:42] gentoo does that [10:43] eh [10:43] most of them just serve cooked fish [10:43] pprkut, nm I was on the wrong track anyway [10:43] heh [10:44] pprkut, maybe talk to rob workman or piter about it. maybe some udev thing? [10:44] hmm, udev... [10:44] pprkut, i'm grabbing at straws mind you :) [10:45] The whole fish thing and Slackware is far more enlightening than you might realize at first. [10:45] jake (n=jake@62.249.219.218) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:46] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-196-95.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Old_Fogie: at least you still have some ;) [10:46] pprkut, :D [10:46] "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll stay gone all day drinking beer, and return home late at night telling you how hard he 'worked all day' to bring you this fish and how he came 'this close' to landing the big one." [10:47] mib_acul9q (i=56a51de5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4ebbaa233a0c281c) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Nick change: mib_acul9q -> python_user [10:47] hi everyone [10:47] hi ppl, i'm tryint to print to a windowsXP shared printer. nmap shows 515/tcp open printer [10:47] originally it's an chinese proverb [10:48] livebrain: lpd [10:48] how can i test if i can make a connection to the printer ? [10:48] lpr -H ip:port file_to_print shows [10:48] lpr: Error - scheduler not responding! [10:48] probably want to start cups up, and add a printer [10:49] Old_Fogie: can't find anything in /lib/udev/rules.d either....I'm hunting a ghost it seems.... [10:49] i choose ldp/lpr from the menu [10:49] but i dont know the name of the printer :X [10:49] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.19.88.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:49] does anyone know how you should complete a consultancy proposal? [10:49] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) joined ##slackware. [10:49] in "printers" in "controll pannel" under windows it says c4200 [10:50] pprkut, only thing I can think of is cd /etc and grep -rl imps . and then go from there ? :( [10:50] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] so should i add lpd://192.168.0.10/c4200 [10:50] in the cups ? [10:50] pprkut, I mean it has to be in /etc/ somewhere you'd think [10:50] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) left irc: Client Quit [10:50] i'm at university and I have to complete a consultancy proposal for this assignment where we need to program robots [10:50] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] I'm just asking because I thought some people here may have worked in a commercial environment where they would have to submit these kinds of documents [10:52] bob 4ever [10:52] 2pac 4ever [10:52] I've connected to my shell from work and I just ran a big slackbuild-script. Can I close the session or should I have started a screen? [10:53] Old_Fogie: that would be logical, but.....apparently grep doesn't find anything useful. Ghostbusters anyone? [10:53] Sorry for repeating. [10:53] kjell: a screen [10:54] d'oh, want to go home :D [10:54] What happens if I close it? Will I break something or leave bad data somewhere? [10:55] It's wine. [10:55] just the compile will stop [10:55] it shouldn't .. it will just abort what it is doing. [10:56] pprkut, /var/log/setup/setup.mouse although, that is for gpm, doesn't that still make a symlink in /dev/ which again is related to udev and such? [10:56] pprkut, that is the script that pkgtool..setup...mouse (gpm) calls [10:56] kitche and BP{k}: thanks a lot. got a few warnings on a few fonts I saw flashing by. Is this normal or shall I look them up to get the best performance from Wine? [10:57] pprkut, see I think that still affects the system symlink I may be wrong, but i think it does. [10:57] kjell: well without knowing which warnings .. it's hard to say. usually warnings are just that, warnings [10:57] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-194-250.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:58] Old_Fogie: let me have a look [10:59] python_user (i=56a51de5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4ebbaa233a0c281c) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:59] pprkut, bb in a few, need a refill :) [10:59] BP{k}: Ok, cool. Going home, see you later. [11:00] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.19.88.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:01] Old_Fogie: I can't find anything relevant in it, and it's identical to the one on 12.1 [11:04] tweakarn (n=iskorpti@d205.csc.lt) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:04] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [11:06] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:09] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[11:25] is that loaded with recovery tools? i want to have something like system rescue CD which has windows password changing tools etc but slackware based would be nice [11:25] what's the difference? pick the liveCD with the tools you need. [11:26] pprkut, I'm at a loss :( [11:26] nullboy, i guess that is true enough, but i would like to stick with slackware if i can - if not, im not gonna lose sleep :) [11:27] Xaviertoor (n=User@189-015-148-143.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:28] Old_Fogie: no problem, me too. Maybe rob knows more. Will ask him later. [11:28] ok [11:28] What's that? [11:28] Good timing :) I just looked in. [11:28] any of you guys have any strange issues getting amarok 2 to run on slack? [11:28] heh [11:29] Action: Old_Fogie touches the home of rworkman's garment and listens :) [11:29] s/home/hem [11:29] rworkman: I have some problem with psmouse and proto=imps [11:29] oh? [11:30] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] Action: thrice` avoids amarok2 at all costs [11:30] rworkman: If I boot up, psmouse is loaded with proto=imps (with the line in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse commented out) [11:30] honestly... amarok2 is booty... [11:30] I don't know what booty means [11:30] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:31] they cut out over half the options and gave it a ginormous gui [11:31] rworkman: basically, I'm searching for a place where it might be defined, other than commandline and the modprobe.d file [11:31] pprkut: do you have a psmouse.bkup file in modprobe.d ? [11:31] booty=not good, uncool, 'no sir, i dont like it' [11:31] pprkut: what thrice` said [11:31] booty is good in my book [11:32] pprkut: basically grep \=imps /etc/modprobe.d/* [11:32] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] just like 'pimpin is easy' is good or bad depending on how you use it :P [11:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [11:32] chapelle proved it :) [11:33] pprkut: the only other place that comes to mind is /etc/rc.d/rc.modules* [11:33] thrice, rworkman: only a .new, and it's only mentioned there currently, as I changed it in the active one [11:33] actually. it was 'pimpin aint easy' [11:33] "psmouse.bkup" <-- what is that? [11:33] pprkut: .new will be read too [11:33] pprkut: so there is a psmouse.new with proto=imps in it? [11:33] yep [11:33] pprkut: yeah, that's the problem [11:33] See C&H :) [11:33] Nick change: Jr -> Xaviertoor [11:33] sequentially, it will be read after psmouse too :> [11:34] So he has a .new from upgradeing to 12.2 then? [11:34] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] jake (n=jake@62.249.219.218) left irc: "Leaving" [11:34] Old_Fogie: yep [11:34] Action: pprkut is confused [11:34] aha I see [11:34] I've got a patch adapted from Debian to make modprobe ignore *.{new,orig,bak} files, but I don't know if Pat's going to accept it. Either way, it won't be in until next release regardless [11:35] pprkut: everything in modprobe.d gets read and used, so if you have a psmouse and psmouse.new, I think the .new will actually be used [11:35] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/modprobe.ignore_some_suffixes.diff.gz <-- apply that and rebuild module-init-tools if you want it :) [11:35] (the above took me about a week to figure out :( ) [11:36] thrice`: both are looked at. [11:36] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:36] so, if I do modprobe -v psmouse proto=exps I get a line with "... proto=exps proto=imps proto=any", where the second one comes from .new? [11:36] yep [11:37] great, ok. DELETE!!!!! [11:37] :) [11:37] Damn README encryption ;-) [11:37] I swear I read C&H....TWICE :( [11:37] rworkman, the mod init diff there, is that needed for any pc that uses a mouse proto other than imps? I thought taht lilo would take care of that [11:38] Hrm [11:38] pprkut, just blame it on old age, works for me :) [11:38] You know what, it's not in 12.2's C&H - it's in 12.1's [11:38] Old_Fogie: no,that diff just makes modprobe ignore /etc/modprobe.d/*.{new,orig,bak} [11:38] hopefully hot-plug xorg will fix it all :) [11:39] rworkman, ah I see [11:39] "it's not in ..C&H" ahaha, pprkut you have been redeemed ! :) [11:39] From 12.1's C&H: [11:39] in /etc/modprobe.d/ -- ALL files in that directory are checked, so if a [11:39] module is blacklisted in *any* of them, it won't be loaded. [11:40] Hopefully that bit can be *safely* left out of 12.2++ C&H :) [11:40] hmm, I remember reading that one... [11:40] Action: Old_Fogie would like to see a readme in /etc/modprobe.d for this in future releases [11:40] Old_Fogie: then I'd have to blacklist README files too :/ [11:40] oh [11:41] or comment them completely out [11:41] Kay and Jon have been fussing quite a bit over how much time modprobe takes to parse those files. [11:41] rworkman, maybe a note in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules ? [11:42] Without any /etc/modprobe.d/* files, udevtrigger completes the entire module loading process in milliseconds. /etc/modprobe.d/* files (as normally present in a distro) add 2-3 seconds [11:42] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) joined ##slackware. [11:42] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:42] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "wobble wobble" [11:42] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:42] That's in addition to the time taken by other things happening in udevtrigger of course, but still. [11:42] blogbasti (n=blogbast@calypso.planet-ic.de) left ##slackware. [11:42] not that slack's init is goign for speed anyway, though [11:43] Right. I personally don't care, but that's just FWIW :) [11:44] Tho, many times I wish we had the docs (C&H, release announce) in /usr/doc/slackware-$version [11:44] or a mirror copy of it, if you will [11:47] re: init... debian's been trying to change theirs, and it's really "odd" to me how it runs, the time to get to gdm/xdm is very quick..but then at the log-in screen right, my hard drive starts going nuts, I can still log-in, but getting into the xsession, and then being able to do something...makes me feel like I'm back in windows when you log-in to desktop and wait for ever. [11:48] I'll stick with Slacks for now over that anyday heh [11:48] thrice`: I'm going to work on a possible speedup for Slackware's init for my bachelor thesis :) [11:48] pprkut: you're a CS major? [11:49] Old_Fogie: yeah, that's one of the "tricks" that Windows uses. [11:49] rworkman: er somehow, yes. undergraduate though [11:49] Cool :) [11:49] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.29) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] pprkut, fix fontconfig, gtk-immodules, update icons, to see if anything changed in their directories since last boot, and if so run the scripts, else dont run. add to pkgtool to see if fonts, iconss, or immodules added removed and it run the scripts. those few scripts are an *elephant* in a china cabinet here for boot, and useability. [11:50] fonts, icons, gtk crap...what a pita [11:51] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:51] I've considered working up an inotify watch for /usr/share/icons looking for *.cache files and do an rm -f on them if found. [11:51] heck , the slack 12.2 installer just sits there for 20 minutes on a p3 900 128 mb ram...just doint them [11:51] rworkman, yea something like that is the way to go I think [11:52] rworkman, only issue is..what if someone turns off the atime on mount of / ? not sure if that impacts that or not [11:52] No, won't affect inotify [11:52] pprkut: as a note, my crux install boots lilo -> login in 13 seconds :) [11:53] rworkman, you know the installer says it's actually updating the fonts, but if you switch over to vt in the installer, it's actually taking a long time for the cups-gen scripts. seems the installer isnt displaying which script it is really running in the background [11:53] inotify is kernel based, so it's cheap in terms of processor power. e.g. dbus 1.2.x puts an inotify watch on /etc/dbus-1/ and if files in there change/added/deleted, it reloads the configuration [11:53] Old_Fogie: noted, though I will work mostly on bash programming. I currently think of somethink like rc.governor, that optionally utilizes multiple cores, etc... Nothing done yet, just thinking [11:53] rworkman, oh that's nice [11:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Old_Fogie: yeah, generating those ghostscript ppd's takes a long time. [11:53] pprkut, well i have some old pc's here I can help test on if you get it going :) [11:54] I hacked up a way to include them in the package, but it blows the size out of the water. [11:54] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: "Saliendo" [11:54] rworkman, yes and we need to keep iso sizes down, understood [11:55] I'm hoping we can at least ship "dummy" files in the package next time around - that way, package upgrades will wipe the generated ppd files instead of leaving them behind [11:55] rworkman: just a thought, but I used to build a package of foomatic's ppds. Would something similar work for ghostscript? [11:55] rworkman, kind of like , in the doinst.sh "touch somefile.ppd" [11:55] ? [11:56] Old_Fogie: no, just ship zero byte files like "somefile.ppd" in the package [11:56] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [11:56] aha I see [11:56] pprkut: I don't follow :/ [11:57] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] rworkman: basically foomatic offers a command to generate ppds from shipped xml files. I wrote a SlackBuild that runs the command, takes the generated files and creates a package. [11:58] jkwood: if you grabbed the latest wicd from the usual place on bob, note that it creates a $HOME/~/ directory - be careful deleting that. :) [11:58] jkwood: rm -rf $HOME/~/.wicd/ ; rmdir $HOME/~ <-- is how I would do it, just to be safe. [11:58] Nick change: Guest26899 -> tgz [11:59] pprkut: similar; I forget exactly how I did it, but I think it involved spamming the build system with the package, then piping the generated ouput to the package. [11:59] Nick change: tgz -> Guest54644 [11:59] I wanted to do it similar to how we did libgphoto2's generation of fdi and udev rules, but ghostscript wouldn't cooperate. [12:00] heh [12:00] rworkman, my "hackish" workaround is to make this a file called /etc/rc.d/rc.gtkstuff http://pastebin.com/d5be8a209 ; I install/remove/upgradepkg && /etc/rc.d/rc.gtkstuff. So boot is quicker, and I just tell myself to run that if making changes. [12:01] desparate times, call for desparate measures [12:01] duryodhan_ (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-1245139cc58dceaa) joined ##slackware. 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[12:03] fprimex (n=fprimex@ip-152010133156.its.appstate.edu) left irc: "fprimex.com" [12:03] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:03] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [12:04] rworkman, has it ever been considered to add 'ldconfig' after performing removepkg ? [12:04] Old_Fogie: pkgtool does that right ? [12:04] not on remove [12:04] ohh [12:05] it only added ldconfig to installpkg on 12.1 iirc [12:05] 12 didnt have any [12:05] duryodhan_, well if it does in 12.2 or is supposed to, it's broken here :) [12:05] why after? [12:05] Old_Fogie: I am sure thats not true ..I remember removing ldconfig from my startup scripts cos it ran after pkgtool anyhow [12:05] yeah .. why after ? [12:06] thrice`, well I take out a ton of stuff right, without running it for exmaple one time I couldnt get 'mc' to run, ran ldconfig and it ran [12:06] killahsmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:06] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:06] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:07] I yank out a lot of core libs for the gnome build, and not having ldconfig run , well I just do it manually since I know it's not doing it, but can't see why the system doesnt run it, to update itself to reflect changes to be honest. there's probably a good reason, but I've yet to hear what it is ya know. [12:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:08] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [12:09] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) left ##slackware. [12:11] hi [12:12] Old_Fogie: yours seems to be a special case .. maybe you can rewrite removepkg .. iirc its just a bash script [12:12] rworkman: Noted. =) [12:12] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:14] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:14] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-219.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:16] duryodhan_, heh you give me more credit then I deserve :) that uses a different $ROOT and all, I dont want to mess things up :) [12:17] Old_Fogie: eh ? I would imagien it would just be writing a ldconfig at the last line [12:18] why cant i print to a windowsXP shared printer ? i can see the job queued in the printer on the winxp machine [12:18] it says "spool" [12:18] idk. I would think that when it was added to installpkg , someone said "hmm we're adding it to installpkg, maybe we should add it to removepkg too" , and theirs probably some reason they dont, that's what I was thinking when I asked rworkman about it. but I'll just keep running it after , I'm gun shy with stuff like that :) [12:18] and in the cups error log i see: [12:19] D [03/Feb/2009:17:17:43 +0000] CUPS-Get-Default client-error-not-found: No default printer [12:19] D [03/Feb/2009:17:17:43 +0000] cupsdProcessIPPRequest: 15 status_code=406 (client-error-not-found) [12:19] Old_Fogie: ok .. then alias it in .bashrc .. to run ldconfig after [12:19] :D [12:19] duryodhan_, ah yes that'll work [12:20] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:22] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:22] can someone kick duryodhan ? I think my connection hasn't been working well [12:24] Kicking duryodhan from the channel wont help you much. If you want the nick back it will help to see when it disconnects instead. [12:24] its me .. same comp .. my irc client crashed ...don't know what to do now .. [12:24] kick duryodhan and I will restart comp which might work [12:25] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [12:25] It'll go away soon enough. [12:26] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.180) joined ##slackware. [12:26] duryodhan, kicking it won't help. that nick will be still on irc. [12:26] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4CB59.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] josemanuel (n=josemanu@220.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [12:27] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.156) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Good $TIMEOFDAY [12:28] duryodhan_: the only thing you can do is wait for the nick to dissapear, then set up your nicks properly [12:28] heh [12:29] hiptobecubic (i=81abf988@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c583acd68ed77587) joined ##slackware. [12:29] perl is terrible. [12:29] duryodhan_ (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-c5aebb30d9cc92ea) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120908]" [12:29] Khratos: Good $TIMEOFDAY you too! [12:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:30] What should I eat today? [12:30] ssflying_ (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Eat salad and meat [12:31] I did that to lunch :D [12:31] s/to/at [12:31] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [12:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[12:49] sorted by what? :) [12:50] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [12:50] at least add some .jpg or .mp3 whichever it is .. [12:50] select * from lost+found order by random(); [12:50] :) [12:52] i just discovered like 35Gig of lost+found shit! [12:52] well ..actually Thunar help here a lot ! [12:52] :) [12:53] 35 gigs... what happened? [12:53] i'm not to sure .. [12:53] something went and had a major case of "ooops" [12:53] using ext2, ext3, what? [12:53] And by major, you mean 4-alarm blaze. [12:54] LOL, marjor case of "ooops" I like that. [12:54] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:54] THERE GOES CARDINAL AGAIN [12:54] I mean... [12:54] power failure, then another power failure during the fsck, repeat 2 or 3 times? [12:54] nobody expects the spanish inquisistion!!? [12:54] i lost the track of these files .. [12:54] hell knows .. [12:55] Hold on, can we do it again? [12:56] ello guys [12:56] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Success [12:56] Bring out... the comfy chair! [12:56] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.250) joined ##slackware. [12:57] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-196-95.net.novis.pt) left irc: "leaving" [12:57] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.28.115) left ##slackware. [12:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.28.115) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [12:58] Action: BP{k} ponders calling jkwood `cardinal biggles` from now on. ;) [12:59] flight (n=silasgtc@20150010198.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:59] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Is there a way todo something like "if /mnt/nfs-share is mounted then rsync ...." I want to use rsync from an nfs mounted on the pc from a diff pc, but want to have a test to make sure it's mounted first. [13:02] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:02] if [ -n "`mount | grep /mnt/nfs-share`" ]; then do_whatever; fi [13:02] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.206) left irc: [13:02] Urchlay, ah thank you I'll give that a shot now. [13:04] it maybe could use some refinement [13:04] ssflying_ (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:06] Urchlay: got any suggestions how to strip the package names only from PACKAGES.TXT? [13:06] bah.. grep + cut [13:07] yeah, that ought to do it [13:07] Urchlay, nope that worked :) [13:07] Urchlay, thanks [13:07] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:08] groovy [13:08] I added a else echo "hey stupid you need to mount /mnt/... before running this script" [13:08] :D [13:09] Yeah, it's about 18 gig rsync backup... I once too many times ran that script, and nothing mounted and good old rsync went into rm .... madness on me [13:09] heh. I remember replacing midnight commander on this one box, with a script that (if you were root) would say "Do not run mc as root, I'm tired of cleaning up after you, Tim!" [13:09] heh, dont need a dog to bite me in the ass twice to know it hurts :) [13:09] (Tim being the well-meaning but not-so-skilled boss...) [13:09] Urchlay, hahah [13:10] Action: Old_Fogie says "it's tim-mehhhh" in Sout Park voice [13:10] if I made him use the raw command line, he was limited in how much damage he could figure out how to do [13:11] I can imagine [13:11] this is the guy who, if he was following a set of directions on how to upgrade a piece of software... [13:11] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Urchlay, a nice add to that script would be to add 'rain' at the end :) [13:11] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:12] rain command , hahah [13:12] he'd get to the part that said "tar xvfz progname-$version.tgz" and he'd type the literal $version, then honestly not understand why it doesn't work [13:12] hahah [13:12] but he at least wouldn't get mad and go "your directions suck!" [13:13] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Urchlay, we've had people running buildscripts do that, "I'm at so-and-so's website now,...they dont have any sourceballs named $PRGNAM-$VERSION.tar.gz where do I get it?" [13:13] ugh [13:13] agreed [13:14] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] Kind of like a cute blonde reading the news "I'm [insert name here] and literally says it, lol [13:14] Old_Fogie, none of the .exes i download will run....can you help with that? rofl [13:15] acidkill, hahah. I've had a family member download opera-version.deb and try and install it on Slackware [13:15] Im so glad im not in IT anymore =) [13:15] repeat after me: "I, your name, ..." (crowd says "I, your name....") [13:15] Urchlay, yup exactly [13:16] actually whoever it was who downloaded the opera .deb was at least in the right ballpark [13:16] I sometimes wonder what's worse, IT for your family & friends only, or IT for a living. I mean at least as a living you get paid. Hmm, don't know tho. Family & friends can be *brutal*. [13:16] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.224.118) joined ##slackware. [13:17] "slackware is linux, and this says it's for linux..." is better than trying to run the windows install.exe at least [13:17] Urchlay, yea that's true, they were trying to take of the updates when opera told them they wereout of date [13:17] family's the worst. [13:17] Urchlay, yea that I found too, the shockwave.exe on the destkop too [13:17] everytime I drive to my folks house to upload photos, my mom always feeds me though :> [13:17] thrice`, tha's a big ++ there [13:17] ive given up doing IT for friends and family. Ive started saying 'sure ill reinstall windows, can you put a new set of tires on the truck for me' [13:17] Old_Fogie: Neither of those. IT for the execs that think you are here to support their personal needs :( [13:17] thats [13:18] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] agentc0reWORK, oh like the boss asking you to fix their personal computer you mean? [13:18] I don't mind helping out my friends/family. Although all together, it's not much of a group that really ever needs help. [13:18] Old_Fogie: Exactly. [13:18] guys, a quick question. I'm on Slack 12.1, if I wanted to modify the look of terminal (login console), where should I look? [13:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:18] or they complain about certain sites not working....the porn ones IT filters of course [13:19] acidkill, been there. it's funny how family thinks you "just know this stuff" and that it takes no time, so they wont spend time back. I gave up on windows with them. I told them no more, I'll do Slack/debian no more windows I had it [13:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:19] ugh. How about, the boss asking you to dumb down the web app, because it runs like crap on his 10 year old laptop he refuses to upgrade/replace [13:19] Old_Fogie: I don't know how many times people just come to me and ask... So i have this problem. And by the time i figure out it's their home pc, they've wasted 10 minutes of my day that i would have just told them I don't do that. [13:19] isBEKaml, i used to know that... =/ maybe /etc? [13:19] Old_Fogie: Helping people is a hard call. I mean, we're all in here for a reason right? To help people? [13:20] Old_Fogie: I think it's trying to avoid those that will take advantage of you. [13:20] agentc0reWORK, yea I know the feeling, like someone coming here asking about backtrack and acting like their on Slackware feeling? :) [13:20] agentc0reWORK: except the ones that are in here looking for help :) [13:20] Old_Fogie: The shity thing is tring to get people to learn :/ [13:20] Action: acidkill doesnt mention running osx on a ppc machine here =) [13:20] acidkill: yeah, I was looking in /etc. Couldn't place it right... :( [13:20] Would you recomend slackware no a non IT person? [13:20] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-116-166.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] mupi: Yes and no. [13:21] isBEKaml, theres a tux icon in the terminal...maybe try to find that? [13:21] agentc0reWORK, yea family says "how'd you learn this in xyz-program" to which I reply "you know that HELP thing in the upper right..the menu ... I click that" and they are just baffled [13:21] ive been in osx way too long [13:21] mupi: Are they someone that wants to learn something new and exciting? Or are they just wanting to be "hand fed"? [13:21] agentc0reWORK, like "woh! I never thought of that..." [13:21] agentc0reWORK: I was wondering for my self [13:21] I am using suse now [13:21] acidkill: tux icon? that's in /boot, I guess..? [13:22] Old_Fogie: HAHAH. I tried explaining to my Aunt the other week on how to use google to help her with her pc needs. I got a huge deer in the headlights look. :( [13:22] ahh, could be. [13:22] and I am thinking of using some thing else instead [13:22] agentc0reWORK, oh I know that look :) [13:22] isBEKaml, been 2-3yrs since ive admined a slack box. [13:22] sorenp, im rusty heh [13:22] erisco, so, im rusty...damn nick comp [13:22] damn it! [13:23] bleah. Why is it that perfectly normal people who know the difference between left and right, get confused about left vs. right when you're talking about mouse clicks? [13:23] Old_Fogie: It's the look that you wish you had a camera stuck to your head to take pictures of it so you can put it on their X-mas or B-day card. [13:23] "Which one's the right click?" ...the one on the right dammit! [13:23] mupi: Well, which description do you fit? [13:23] Urchlay, or the double and single mean different things [13:23] acidkill: :) Happens, happens.. :) [13:24] mupi, if you have about 7-10 gig ( it can be less but room to compile apps on) I'd say put Slack in separate partition and go from there, over time you'll get used to it, etc etc. or run it in vm. coming from another distro is good in one regard, at least you know which apps you like, use, etc so if you use slackware, and the apps you dont have, you know what they are to do your work. [13:24] agentc0reWORK, hahah [13:24] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-116-166.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:25] agentc0reWORK: I want to learn some thing new [13:25] random, random question... [13:25] guys, I'm having a strange activity that I don't know where it comes from [13:25] anyone know what the dots on a buddhist monk's head are? lol [13:25] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-116-166.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] and it's to a .jp site... which is a bad thing [13:26] Oh i got one of the best ones that drove me up the wall. So i work with a bunch of doctors. Let me just tell you that, my respect for doctors is nill now. Anyways, one of our in house programs will spit out a SQL error if there are apostrophes in a patients demographics. This one doctor ran into that, called me. So i asked him to cut and paste the text and email it to me. He said, "I... [13:26] ...don't know how to do that". At which i should have replied, You don't deserve to use a pc. [13:26] Kaapa, what slackware version are you running? [13:26] fuser -n tcp myport doesn't give any results [13:26] acidkill: the worst part is when I have to explain to her "the driver for the printer you just bought, only works on XP SP1 and up"... [13:26] tank-man: current [13:26] agentc0reWORK, :) [13:26] U-Neeks (i=555@201-24-52-221.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [13:27] cd ~/docs/code/fastback [13:27] acidkill: there's no good solution there. Either install SP1 and get breakage, or else take the printer back for refund. No way she can use it on the OS she has installed... and no amount of explanation on my part will help her decide [13:27] Kaapa, add them to firewall as block and hosts.deny file? is that what you're asking? [13:28] Old_Fogie: no, I want to know what/where is causing it [13:28] ...all of this crap, I tell her, is why I don't even use windows... but trying to teach her to use slackware would be even more painful [13:28] give her ubuntu or somesuch as a transition [13:28] Old_Fogie: how can data go out w/o me knowing? Some program must be triggering it [13:29] Kaapa, not sure I understand what the problem is tho, is someone inside the box? how do you know? what caused you to be alarmed [13:29] Urchlay: yeah, who would want his girlfriend to segfault.... [13:29] Old_Fogie: odd network traffic. [13:30] pprkut: actually this is my mom I'm talking about... [13:30] Urchlay: Ooops :) [13:30] laters [13:30] she's an old lady, I gave her windows because all her old-lady friends all use it, and so (hopefully) they can help each other out [13:30] tcp 0 43464 192.168.2.100:40239 i60-35-187-104.s0:39599 ESTABLISHED [13:30] wahcordian|Work (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:30] lol [13:31] Kaapa, does netstat tell you which process it is [13:31] it does if he adds -p to the options [13:31] and only if the process is his, if i remember correctly [13:31] yea I like netstat -ntap and netstat -elp [13:31] Urchlay: dang, forgot that! [13:31] josemanuel: true. I was assuming he was running netstat as root though [13:31] mupi: Then Slackware will help you in that lesson. [13:32] stupid ktorrent! [13:32] josemanuel, I think other distro's hide other users, slack doesnt [13:32] it really just amazes me how an xp machine slows at it grows older...tbh after about 4yrs now, osx isnt as snappy as it was...but thats mainly web and video stuff anway not crud [13:33] Kaapa: it's ktorrent? eh, it's just doing its job, surely? [13:33] acidkill, XP for me, and family is bascially 3 months tops then degrades :( I'm glad for imaging apps [13:33] i have my parents machine locked down, he playes bejeweled and some other silly games doesnt download or click things [13:33] Old_Fogie, let me check that out [13:33] Urchlay: yes, it's explained. But I thought I was not running [13:33] josemanuel@cervantes:~$ netstat -tupac [13:33] (Not all processes could be identified, non-owned process info [13:33] will not be shown, you would have to be root to see it all.) [13:33] -tupac? [13:33] yep [13:33] josemanuel, ah ok [13:33] :) [13:34] it's easier to remember, sometimes i add the n [13:34] my advice to my father was new pc every 3yrs, but hes old school. still has powertools from the 60s that work [13:34] usually I run "netstat -plant" [13:34] sorenp, he cant uderstand how we go to the moon, but computers suck [13:34] damn nick complete again... [13:34] lol [13:35] acidkill: when we're old, we won't have power tools from the 2000's or 2010's that still work, because they don't make them any more :( [13:35] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:35] online billpay was the greatest thing for my dad, he could save 39c, or whatever it was at the time! $4 per year, saved!! [13:35] lol [13:35] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [13:35] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] HAHAHAH [13:36] Urchlay, for some things disposable construction works well...but to have something of quality, i appreciate that [13:36] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:37] Urchlay: When we're old? Be sensitive to Old_Fogie, he's already there :P [13:37] agentc0reWORK: I'm not far behind him IIRC... [13:37] HAHA [13:37] i may not have built the best BBQ smoker, but that baby is 1/4" steel all around 12ftx3ft, and sitting on a double axle trailer that can support 10k pounds [13:37] acidkill: nice [13:38] sorenp, that will last 50yrs...but I wont eating that bbq lol [13:38] damn it [13:38] im changingmy nick complete char from , to : [13:38] AHAHHA [13:38] so, there we are [13:38] nice [13:39] anyway, if anyone in the tampa/orlando areas in FL like BBQ, i do a little catering thing =D [13:40] Hey, so i've been using Windows 7 beta at work since i'm going to have to get it at one point or another and still have yet to touch vista. Besides the HUGE re-learning curve, it's actually running pretty well. It's a VM too, with only 1G ram. It really actually runs fast, i was very surprised. [13:40] i havent used it or read much, but my impression was it was very much like vista, true? [13:41] agentc0reWORK, don't deploy it, uac vulnerability seems really bad possibility in time til' they fix it I've read [13:41] nfoss (n=codehabi@pool-71-112-166-132.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:41] should make the next version of windows Windows Beta [13:41] always in dev heh [13:41] too bad they don't opt for the Slackware Genuine Advantage there :) [13:42] Old_Fogie: :) [13:42] SupernalTriad (n=Supernal@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:42] SupernalTriad kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Douchebag [13:42] hahah, go slackboy ! [13:42] flight (n=silasgtc@20150010198.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [13:43] nice [13:44] hiptobecubic (i=81abf988@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c583acd68ed77587) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [13:44] Old_Fogie: Well I'm not deploying a Beta thats for sure. I wont be able to buy new pc's for my clinic until 3rd quarter this year anyways. [13:44] acidkill: actually I might be in orlando in a couple months [13:44] Thats the second auto kick of that guy i've seen, whats up with that? [13:44] they are national, but if you have never been to a Mellow Mushroom [13:44] GO [13:45] agentc0reWORK: he's..banned [13:45] ergh. Sick of mellow mushroom [13:45] awesome pizza great crraft beer selection, little expensive [13:45] straterra: Ah, something thats already been done. [13:45] i had a buddy that managed one, we close the bar and stay till dawn [13:45] they keep closing down little family-owned korean/indian and replacing them with mellow mushroom, around here [13:45] free 90min IPA cant be beat [13:46] i used to live in south jersey [13:46] now I gotta drive 45 minutes to get Korean BBQ [13:46] so itialian and german food was the big thing [13:46] now in fl theres a lot of caribean and soul food, i like the variations =) [13:47] least in lakeland here [13:47] last time I was in florida I never made it out of the hotel (was like 104 degrees outside) [13:47] theres lot of hole int he wall places still [13:47] winter is the best time to visit FL, its 70f right now [13:47] maybe 65 [13:47] this morning it was 50 at like 9am [13:47] Yumm... IPA. [13:47] yeah, but the con is in May: http://oasfis.org/oasis/ [13:48] still be nice then [13:48] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-027-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] sometimes theres no spring/fall other times theres months of nice weather before and after summer [13:48] but may is still nice, 80s low humidity breezy [13:49] even if its hot, find some shade and a breeze and the fl sun wont cook you =) [13:50] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:50] what is that oasis con...always wanted to check some stuff out and they always have thing happening in orlando [13:50] page is kinda vague [13:50] ahh scifi [13:50] science fiction convention... very small & low-key, nothing like dragoncon or comicon [13:51] dunno if you're a fan, but Piers Anthony usually shows up (he lives near there) [13:51] hm [13:51] $40 not too bad [13:52] if you go, see if you can find the "ex-con suite". If I can arrange it, it'll be across the hall from the con suite again :) [13:54] right off I4, nice [13:56] hopefully this year they've fixed the hurricane damage that made it take forever last time [13:56] atlanta to orlando shouldn't be a 12-hour drive... [13:56] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) left irc: "leaving" [13:56] it used to be 18 or 20 from philly to lakleand [13:56] i think 6-8 from ga sounds right [13:57] IIRC the first time it was closer to 10 hours [13:58] i dont mind driving, i put on some grateful dead and just cruise [13:58] yeah [13:58] road trips are fun [13:59] drove the whole run from new orleans back to atlanta last year, stopped only once [13:59] MetaMucil (n=artoo@user-0cdvg7r.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:59] (for gas. They make these modern cars with great gas mileage, that shouldn't be an excuse to put a tiny 10-gallon tank on 'em) [14:00] i had a bronco that had a 39 gallon tank or some silly thing [14:00] acidkill: it sure needed it [14:00] i coudld get little over 500miles ona full tank [14:01] was a friend of my fathers [14:01] hauled wood with it for years [14:01] Urchlay, it's a trick, they reduce the size of the tanks, and force you to go more often to the gas station, so the fuel consumption remains constant [14:01] BOFH: conspiracy between auto makers, gas stations, and candy companies.... [14:01] i see it so clearly now [14:02] yeah, 'cause when you stop at the gas station you always buy a packet of candies [14:02] s/candies/cigs/ and you're not far wrong... [14:02] and hooker (did I say that) [14:02] im a gummie worm addict [14:02] BOFH: hmmm. so to compensate they actually /steal/ yer petrol at the station? [14:02] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:03] i make my own beef jerky 10lb at a time which is awesome incase of nuclear was as well [14:03] acidkill: how do you make it? in the BBQ smoker? [14:03] ya, really small fire [14:03] keep it under 150 [14:03] closer to 125-130 [14:03] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) joined ##slackware. [14:03] thats danger zone for bacteria and stuff [14:04] but the meat gets cured for 2-3days and then smoked [14:04] so....nothing gonna survive =) [14:04] i got a friend who's smoking fish...i could just stay there and eat smoked eel all year. [14:04] Charles (n=charles@adsl-157-104-164.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [14:05] eel? yuck [14:05] "eating the eel" <--- is that what they call that these days :) [14:05] at least I never could stand the eel at sushi places (they don't smoke it though) [14:05] i can get tons of fresh fish being in FL, but id have to drive about 1hr to tampa or the beach area, and if im there already theres so many good hole in the wall places that cook todays catch 10 different ways [14:06] bad [14:06] skippers smokehouse in tampa has $2 beers and fresh daily fish cooked anyway you could ever imagine [14:06] big plate of food for $5 [14:06] oh I can get a burger with egg here for 3$ [14:06] we had this hippy chick with us, was amusing to watch her try to eat lobster [14:06] i miss living in tampa and going to USF [14:07] (she'd been a vegetarian for most of her life, but was trying to learn to eat meat) [14:07] 15k new 18yr old girls every september [14:07] Urchlay: all chicks need a little meat ;-) [14:08] I think she actually managed to dissect the lobster's head and find its tiny pellet of a brain... [14:09] I bet that went over like a naked rworkman [14:09] hah [14:09] i remember disecting frogs in highschool. [14:09] took 3-4 days to do it [14:10] how did we store the half disected frogs? put a pin with ur name on it into the frog, throw him in a trash bag, and put the bag in the closet [14:10] no refridgeration, nothing [14:10] i dont know how the school was allowed to do that [14:10] it stunk ungodly for a month each year but thats what was done [14:10] eww [14:11] adn this was in 2000 [14:11] I remember my 6th grade class, we dissected frogs, and they were all pregnant mama frogs (full of eggs) [14:11] hah [14:11] caviar anyone? [14:11] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:12] sorenp (n=Soren@79.136.53.23) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:13] Charles (n=charles@adsl-157-104-164.owb.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. 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[14:18] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-219.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [14:22] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] I just can't seem to find where the terminal looks up the settings..! The closest I have come to is setterm! :/ [14:25] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:25] maybe a dot file in ur ~/ [14:26] hm, no that wouldnt work at all hehe [14:26] you set the terminal with the TERM variable, and it looks in the term database at /usr/share/terminfo based on $TERM [14:26] the codes for your terminal are in there somewhere [14:26] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-027-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:26] let there be light =) [14:26] if it's the newer terminfo format, you have to decompile the terminfo file to see what the code=setting values are [14:27] Nick change: Dinde -> Misere [14:27] for more information, please dial 'man terminfo' :) [14:28] alisonken1: uh, I looked in /usr/share/terminfo from the manpages... it looks to be something like compiled files.. :| [14:29] can anyone recommend a good easy sip client install on slackware 12.2? i have battled to get ekiga and twinkle working bbut no love - i'd rather use them then gizmo cause they are open source, any suggestions? [14:29] since about 6-8 years ago, they switched to a compiled format for performance reaasons. there's look at terminfo to find out where to go to find out how to compile your own terminfo entry [14:29] (may have been longer since it's a holdover from *nix) [14:29] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:29] twinkle works [14:29] ahmmm... [14:30] i'll try getting twinkle going again - i was using stuff from slackbuilds.org and its not compiling sadly [14:31] compiling again to see the error [14:32] alisonken1: Just curious, perhaps you might have a link/URL that talks about why did the shift to compiled terminfos? [14:32] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] acidkill: Lol, I see a path, I just don't know where it leads! :D [14:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [14:33] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:33] isBEKaml: come to think of it, I believe they were compiled before for size/performance reasons. I just remember reading that they switched to the terminfo database some years ago (been a while) [14:33] try googling termcap and terminfo - I believe termcap was the older system [14:33] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:34] termcap, I have heard the word though I am a relative newbie here..! ;) [14:35] omgwtfgtfo [14:35] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [14:37] alisonken1: isBEKaml: termcap is the older one. Wikipedia knows all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminfo :) [14:37] Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:37] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [14:38] beej71: saved by Wiki :) [14:39] nullboy: ? 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[14:43] Snooooch! [14:44] isBEKaml_ (n=vats@122.164.236.175) joined ##slackware. [14:44] Mil_Arg (n=mil@201.255.55.197) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Mil_Arg (n=mil@201.255.55.197) left ##slackware. [14:45] alisonken1: however there may be a little bit of cruft in there for modern times: :) $ find /usr/share/terminfo -type f -print | wc -l ==> 1566 [14:46] beej71: just a few :) but there are still some mini's and mainframes that have those old setups available. And don't forget the old greybeards that still have their ATT systems in their basement [14:47] isBEKaml_ (n=vats@122.164.236.175) left ##slackware. [14:47] PsYkHe (n=psykhe@189-53-27-248-ebt.cm.ja.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [14:47] alisonken1: also, given the size of disks these days, it's probably rare that people want to save 5 MB on terminfo files. :) [14:47] isBEKaml_ (n=vats@122.164.236.175) joined ##slackware. [14:47] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] isBEKaml_ (n=vats@122.164.236.175) left ##slackware. [14:51] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:52] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [14:52] isBEKaml_ (n=vats@122.164.236.175) joined ##slackware. [14:54] isBEKaml_ (n=vats@122.164.236.175) left irc: Client Quit [14:55] isBEKaml_ (n=vats@122.164.236.175) joined ##slackware. [14:55] i need u help [14:55] i removed files from kmail and need to restore them [14:56] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [14:56] have i a chance? [14:56] rudolf_: fail [14:56] sorry, u is not here right now. [14:56] Zordrak: what do u mean? [14:56] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.224.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:57] Nick change: isBEKaml_ -> isBEKaml [14:57] Zordrak: Hey, you use RT right? Have you ever used OTRS? [14:57] Zordrak: what do u mean? [14:57] no [14:57] rudolf_: http://www.google.com/search?q=fail [14:58] http://failblog.org [14:58] rudolf_: I don't use kmail, so I dunno. :( [14:58] how which terminal music player do you recommend? [14:59] i removed it with rox-filer [14:59] s/how/now/ [14:59] i deleted a .kde director [14:59] rudolf_: mecha-fail [14:59] Zordrak: what is it? [15:00] rudolf_: which .kde directory? [15:00] ~/.kde [15:02] ??? [15:02] marcos_potter (n=marcos@189.7.116.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] any option of have i to accept the situation? [15:02] restore the backup you made earlier [15:03] can i restore without backup? [15:03] Did you remove it from the trash aswell? [15:03] dont know wheter rox filer has a trash [15:04] agentc0reWORK: otrs < RT [15:04] dont think rox has it [15:04] has i a optiion to restore data files? [15:06] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:09] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: "leaving" [15:09] Zordrak: Yeah, i use otrs. Been wanting to switch honestly. [15:09] Zordrak: Did you have to rebuild PHP when you installed horde? [15:10] arny (n=arny@79.119.152.53) joined ##slackware. [15:10] stormsurge (n=steve@64.241.37.140) joined ##slackware. [15:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Action: High_Priest back [15:14] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.48.119) joined ##slackware. [15:15] tew (i=tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Nick change: tew -> tewmten [15:16] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:17] the-zandi (n=zandi@68-188-163-247.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] Hi. does anyone here know anything about file recovery from a FAT file system? I'm using Slack 12.1 and some recovery tools, but the channels for those tools are empty and I'm in a rush. [15:19] Any sleuthkit users here? [15:20] not me. [15:20] stormsurge: sleuthkit is not really for recovery purposes [15:21] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:21] depending on what you want to recover you can take a look at testdisk. That might better suite your needs [15:21] tesuki (n=tesuki@c-54b6e455.20-0145-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:21] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [15:21] pprkut: I've been reading all the docs I can get my hands on and I think I slhould be able to recover a file with it...No? [15:22] pprkut: this is really more of a forensic problem than I recovery problem, but I was trying to use a general term [15:23] I need to recover a file based on an md5 [15:23] forensic != recovery [15:23] carving (formost) isn't working [15:23] agentc0reWORK: dont remember.., dont think so [15:23] jkwood: you around ? [15:23] perhaps addition of a pear module or two [15:23] I need help with raid. how can linux help me if I have 10 disks running in an array. when one fail; how do I know which to replace (the disks ar identical size model etc.) [15:24] stormsurge: http://www.linuxleo.com/ - that's all I can give you [15:24] pprkut: thanks. I have that doc printed and sitting next to me ;-) [15:24] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:25] stormsurge: what's the specific problem? [15:26] dimmerbold: I found a listing of deleted files in a fat volume, and I have an md5 that I know should be on the disk (and deleted), but I can't seem to get the file recovered using the dir entry fls gives me. I only get partial files (some are known). [15:27] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:27] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.236.175) left irc: "leaving" [15:28] arny (n=arny@79.119.152.53) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] i'd hate to derail the conversation, but I've got a weird issue to do with tty switching and powering off my laptop. [15:29] I was wondering if anyone thought they could help. [15:29] stormsurge: what kind of file? how do you know the md5? [15:30] the-zandi, let me guess, you are using fglrx [15:30] it's an exe. we know the md5 cause it's recovered from other boxes. I'm sure it's on this box, but I'm only partially recovering it. [15:30] stormsurge : start off with something simple, like foremost [15:31] possibly... let me check. lsmod would bring it up, right? [15:31] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] the-zandi, yea [15:31] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiw221.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:32] nope, it doesn't appear to be there. [15:32] MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@kde/developer/asouza) joined ##slackware. [15:32] the-zandi, are you using nvidia? [15:32] anybody had problems with 12.2 and avahi ? [15:32] ananke: we used formost. the sig for an executable pics up a TON of stuff from the volume, and none of the md5's match. The output of foremost does not allow for matching known file names either, it's a carving tool, after all. [15:32] i'm not sure, this is a pretty old laptop. let me look up the specs... [15:33] I hate nvidia fuckedup green xvideo [15:33] lol [15:33] stormsurge : well, if none of them match that md5, you have a problem [15:33] the-zandi, well they are both video drivers, and they tend to be very good at causing shutdown and VT switching issues [15:34] what would the nvidia driver be called? [15:34] 'nvidia' [15:34] not there either. I thought it would go by another name, like the ATI driver did. [15:34] yeah, if you're trying to pick up malware, carving tools suck. Any fragmentaion ruins carving...and especially ruins md5s. [15:34] rudolf_ (n=rudolf@p57A2F4EE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] what tsk commands are you using after fls? icat? [15:36] icat -o 63 disk_0016.dd 13422 | md5 [15:37] um...you're only goin to get the first cluster...try iwth -r as well ("recovery") [15:38] fldigi in Slackware 12.2 http://omploader.org/vMTdoag [15:38] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Action: stormsurge smacks forehead [15:39] that did it! [15:39] crap. its even in the man page. [15:39] dimmerbold: thanks! this will make things easier. [15:40] well anyways, now that I think about it, it does sound very much like a driver issue... [15:40] I can poweroff normally before I startx, but after, it doesn't work quite right. [15:40] np [15:41] MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@kde/developer/asouza) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [15:41] stormsurge (n=steve@64.241.37.140) left irc: "leaving" [15:43] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net expired. [15:43] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:48] mbhayes, around? [15:48] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-207.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:48] emelmann (n=kvirc@89.107.200.89) joined ##slackware. [15:49] well, I'll be back in about 30 minutes. I'll see if anyone can help then. 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[16:01] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl139-174.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:01] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Greetings Programs [16:03] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:03] programs? [16:04] NyteOwl: hi, ..segfault: in turing(): in generate_reponse(); [16:04] Anyone recommend an inexpensive USB "G" wifi adapter compatible with Linux and kismet? [16:05] Nick change: Misere -> Dinde [16:05] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [16:05] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:06] I don't suppose anyone has an old registered copy of Sygate personal Firewall Pro 5.5.2828 (no I'm not looking for warez. I had a registered copy but the system had a drive crash and it's been so long I can't find my papers and Sygate disappeared years ago) [16:06] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [16:06] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:06] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [16:07] NyteOwl: isnt that what old linux boxes are for? firewalls and servers? =) [16:07] foureyes779: I am now. [16:07] jkwood: http://omploader.org/vMTdoag [16:07] jkwood: fldigi running in Slackware [16:07] acidkill: normally yes, but this was a machine I kept with windows for testing purposes and a couple of aps that have no Linux equivalents [16:08] and I'd like to restore it's own firewall if I can [16:08] foureyes779: =D [16:08] jkwood: I just downloaded the binary, installed the missing Lib's and got it running [16:08] incubus (n=incubus@207.160.210.144) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Ah, okay. That may be the process I have to go through. [16:09] anyone use CentOS here? [16:09] or Fedora/Redhat? [16:09] I tried replacing it with COmodo but for some reason it totally borked the system [16:09] Is there a way i can increase the font size when installing slackware at the intial screen when i specify the kernel? [16:10] jkwood: when I tried to compile it from src, it ept hanging up FFTW [16:10] I played a bit with CentOS but can't really say I've "used" it [16:10] Im going to move onto Xlg next. [16:10] Weird... My Xorg flicks on my laptop. And my battery is 100% charged. [16:10] last version of RedHat I used was 4 or 5 soemthing heh [16:10] you know in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ [16:10] jkwood: how would I go abt making a slackpkg using the binary ? [16:10] is there away to auto generate the ifcfg-eth1:? files? [16:10] Yeah, it looks to be pain to build, all in all. [16:11] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Did you saw anything like it? [16:11] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:11] Well... I don't know for sure. Is it a binary installer, or just a binary? [16:11] jkwood: it is a binary [16:12] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-5d817115.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "leaving" [16:12] acidchild: I believe so but I'm not certain [16:12] Ah. Well, then, you can just make a tree of it, and run makepkg on that. [16:12] jkwood: I will be on later tonite, ad maybe we can make a slackpkg out of all this [16:13] heh [16:13] gotta run, catch ya later [16:13] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [16:13] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201-1-156-240.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:13] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl139-174.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [16:18] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:20] anyone here running -current? what's the easiest upgrade path from 12.2? slackpkg? [16:20] Yep. [16:21] Yes. It does not differ that much from 12.2 [16:21] Edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and pick one for current. [16:21] Note that you can only have one mirror selected at a time. [16:21] k [16:21] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [16:22] on that note, are there any known caveats going from 12.0 to 12.2? [16:22] hackedhead: my transitions from 12.0 to 12.1 and 12.1 to 12.2 were pretty uneventful, IIRC, FWIW. [16:23] hackedhead: in one go? [16:23] BP{k}: that was my plan.. [16:23] Chocotoff (n=Chocotof@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:23] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [16:23] 2nd paragraph. [16:23] would you advise doing it incremetnally? [16:23] hackedhead: always mind new packages, packages that were removed, and .new files that are installed [16:23] you hvae to [16:24] slackware releases are meant to be incremental, unless you're starting from scratch [16:24] All minor version (12.x to 12.y) tend to be pretty uneventful. [16:24] hackedhead: "Note that upgrading from a Slackware version earlier than 12.1 is NOT supported at all and will almost certainly lead to breakage." [16:24] ah [16:24] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.246.120) joined ##slackware. [16:25] hackedhead: Yeah, I read that, and have stuck with 12.1. +) [16:25] 12.1 -> 12.2 is pretty uneventful. [16:25] muraii: ?? but upgrading from 12.1 _is_ supported. [16:25] hackedhead: yeah [16:26] humm.. maybe i'll just wipe the drive and do it fresh [16:26] i suspect i have a lot of crap creeping around anyway... [16:26] Is there a general sense of the scale of improvement of 12.2 over 12.1, aside from freshness of the guts? [16:26] depends on how much of a vanilla install you have, i'm guessing [16:27] new libs can break older packages... so a recompile of all your custom stuff might be a good idea [16:27] Necos: and that's the rub. i have a bunch of sbopkgs and probably other nonsense i've forgotten about [16:28] but that's sort of what i expected anyway, so the backups are in place already =] [16:28] lol [16:28] hackedhead: slackpkg clean-system [16:28] what's that jkwood? [16:29] You don't have to go through with it, but it will show you everything that didn't come with Slackware. [16:29] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201-1-156-240.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] jkwood: but that won't grab non-packaged stuff, will it? [16:29] Or at least, the version of Slackware you have it synced with. [16:29] only non-stock packages [16:29] hackedhead: No, it won't. [16:29] oh, that's awesome [16:29] And you should be ashamed of yourself. ;) [16:29] nachox: I"m here [16:29] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [16:29] worth a look at any rate, so i have a list of stuff to reinstall [16:29] nachox: barely [16:29] ashamed of what? lol [16:29] mbhayes, may i pm? it's just a second [16:30] jkwood: oh, i am, that's part of why i am reinstalling in the first place =P [16:30] Necos: That was directed at hackedhead. ;) [16:30] nachox: sure [16:30] although, it's less shame and more frustration [16:30] hackedhead: also have a a look at sbpokg. "sbopkg -i "package1 package2 package3 .. packagen" could be useful. [16:30] damn, I hate to have to try COmodo again :( [16:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:31] BP{k}: oh i know, another reason is so that i can actually use the latest sbopkg repo [16:31] hackedhead: We can work with frustration. [16:31] instead of shoehorning 12.2 sbopkgs onto 12.0 [16:31] jkwood: =P [16:31] We're flexible with our guilt-tripping here at the church of Doing-The-Right-Thing. [16:32] lmfao [16:32] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:32] jkwood: what about when the Right Thing is Broken? [16:32] wrt the 12.2 virtualbox-ose slackbuild... [16:32] hackedhead: broken? [16:32] It's broken? I hadn't noticed. [16:33] i can't get it to compile... [16:33] build log? [16:33] Although, it wouldn't build here about five minutes ago... [16:33] Action: jkwood investigates [16:33] hackedhead: Yeah, I meant I read the changes_and_hints.txt and didn't really see a reason to upgrade. [16:33] muraii: ah. [16:34] BP{k}: i had one pasted a couple days ago. if you or jkwood want i can generate another a little later today [16:34] (this is a legitimate build, on a 12.2 install, not me mucking with 12.0 + 12.2 sbopkgs) [16:35] Action: lw0x15 first time ever he sees an emty readme file from sbo [16:35] lw0x15: where? [16:35] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libexif-gtk/ [16:36] uhm .. how so is the README empty? [16:36] It's not empty here. [16:36] lw0x15: don't you have more pictures of snowy landscape around your location? [16:36] in the SBo folder [16:36] i meant sorry ;> [16:37] "sbo folder"? [16:37] slackbuilds.org [16:37] Action: BP{k} sighs [16:37] {guess} [16:37] stybla: thank you .. I know what SBo means .. [16:37] :S [16:38] BP{k}: tmp/SBo [16:38] after lauching the build [16:38] BP{k}: looool [16:38] you know what i mean [16:38] pprkut: ;) [16:39] stybla: ill see if i can get my camera working if i do, ill take more serious ones tomorrow (: [16:39] lw0x15: aah right .. I see what you mean now. :) yeah upstream problem. :) [16:39] serious what? [16:40] photos [16:40] what you shooting with? ^_^ [16:40] kodak z710 [16:40] lw0x15: several files in the soure package are 0 byte length but we include them anyway :) [16:40] lw0x15: :\ i was expecting 'no' -> i couldn't feel sorry not being there. [16:41] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.161.215) joined ##slackware. [16:41] BP{k}: ah i see, i always check readme just in case ;] [16:41] lw0x15: not even 14 days of snow this winter :( [16:42] yeah and then bam [16:42] lw0x15: snow is almost gone here. [16:42] still got plenty here [16:43] keep it ;) [16:43] BP{k}: need any ? ;P [16:43] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Necos: does the job ;] pretty happy with it [16:44] lw0x15: i'll be grateful for any picts, but if there aren't any - no big deal. ;) thanks [16:45] Cann0n (n=jack@75-107-34-104.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] hey [16:45] hallo. [16:45] stybla: be here tomorrow :] and you'll see too many of them ;-D [16:46] too many of what? [16:47] pictures [16:47] lw0x15: oki, just query me. i probably won't be too much active tomorrow, especially in the morning-noon time (for me). [16:48] is there a way to dry-run slackpkg? [16:49] beej71: Try slackpkg help. =) [16:50] Also, it always tells you what it's going to do before it does it. [16:50] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:50] jkwood: ook [16:50] alright, back [16:50] You can select and unselect software from the dialog it pops up. [16:50] jkwood: that was really my question. :) [16:50] I think I'm going to put my strange problem back on the table [16:50] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@89.214.246.120) joined ##slackware. [16:51] the main issue is powering off after I've started fluxbox, but I think a related problem is me being unable to switch to another TTY from witin fluxbox [16:53] the-zandi: need help? [16:53] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-208-111-223-190-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left ##slackware. [16:53] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:53] cann0n: yes, please. [16:54] are you having problems shutting down in root? [16:54] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] yeah [16:55] if by root, you mean after I open up rxvt/xterm, su to root, then try poweroff. [16:56] i suggest editing your sudoers via visudo in root and add %users ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdow [16:57] then check this out. let me paste bin my script [16:57] well, the issue wasn't getting to shutdown [16:57] the issue is it not totally powering off [16:57] Fenrod (n=stefan@brln-4db9ded2.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [16:57] lowkyalur (n=low@icm8-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "off to bed" [16:57] what's wrong with su -c 'shutdown -h now'? [16:57] the-zandi: does it finishing halting the system, and then just sit there? [16:57] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/10108 [16:58] it appears to finish halting. not sure exactly what halting means [16:58] but the problem is that it just hangs there [16:58] blank screen [16:58] blank. [16:58] hmm [16:58] which I think is related with my tty issue [16:58] Necos: checkout my exit script [16:58] i've had systems not power off if ACPI-button was not in the kernel.. [16:58] needs gxmessage [16:58] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [16:59] hackehead: well, it shuts down fine if I try it before i start up fluxbox with startx [16:59] j0z_ (n=UNIX@187.5.57.192) joined ##slackware. [16:59] the-zandi: ah, okay, yeah that's weird [16:59] but the tty issue is, i'd be in fluxbox, use ctrl-alt-f# to switch, and i'd get a blank screen and can't switch back to fluxbox. [16:59] j0z_ (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Client Quit [17:00] hmm... [17:00] are you using all kernel vid drivers? or some proprietary stuff? [17:00] how do you switch from X to tty2? [17:00] i didnt think you could do that [17:00] Cann0n: you can [17:00] i always do by mistake [17:00] :( [17:00] Cann0n: ctrl-alt-f2 [17:01] Cann0n (n=jack@75-107-34-104.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:01] lol [17:01] ;-D [17:01] 0_o [17:01] anyways, I'm not sure what specific vid drivers I'm using [17:01] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:01] I tried lsmod earlier and didn't see any nvidia or fglrx [17:01] how do you get back into X by doing that? [17:01] Cann0n: ctrl-alt-f7 [17:01] Cann0n: Alt+F7 [17:02] hmmm [17:02] i was gonna tell you, but you left =P [17:02] (Ctrl is needed in X, not out of X) [17:02] didnt know that [17:02] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [17:02] jkwood: fair enough, but both work [17:02] True. [17:02] i never switched. i was either using X or not. hmm [17:02] poison (n=poison@p57B2C2F6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] hi :) [17:03] " or not" meaning? [17:03] ... google not [17:03] when you switch to tty2, you will of course, not be in X anymore [17:03] that's the point..... [17:03] well duh. i said i am either using X or not [17:04] so then what did you mean by "I never switched" ? [17:04] i never use both. i normally only log in once [17:04] i never used alt+f7 [17:04] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: "A wank a day, keeps the frustrations away" [17:04] on slackware-12.2, runlevel 4, both .xinitrc and.xsession [17:04] why is this so hard for you to grasp? [17:04] ... seem to be ignored :( [17:04] ooh. meaning, you've never done that before [17:04] rather than, it did work when you just now tried it [17:04] it didn't* [17:04] correct. [17:04] gotcha =P [17:05] yeah it works just never did it [17:05] any idea what I could be doing wrong or what the correct file is? [17:05] i love my urxvt :P [17:05] stupid english subtleties [17:05] lol [17:06] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:06] lol [17:06] poison: you haven't actually stated a clear problem or question yet.. that i can tell, at least. [17:06] Cann0n: neither did but its pretty handy i'd say [17:06] thats good info to know. [17:06] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.246.120) left irc: Connection timed out [17:06] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.250) left irc: [17:06] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008244122.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:07] well, any ideas how the hell I could figure out what exactly is happening to make the shutdown fail? [17:07] speaking of, tank-man, any ideas why mf LCD never comes back out of suspend? [17:07] the-zandi: did you edit rc.K? [17:08] ..no... I'll go look in it [17:08] then im out of ideas lol [17:08] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [17:08] hackedhead: I'm trying to run gpg-agent and ssh-agent through .xinitrc / .xsession on slackware-12.2. the problem is that both files seem to be ignored on X start through booting into runlevel 4, which the shouldn't. afaik. [17:09] well, it says rc.K is executed in runlevel 1 [17:09] s/the/they/ [17:09] speaking of that, poison, for some reason when I tried to go to runlevel 4, instead of fluxbox, KDE started... [17:09] I'll have to see what was up with that... [17:10] tesuki (n=tesuki@c-54b6e455.20-0145-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left ##slackware. [17:10] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Connection timed out [17:10] the-zandi: configure kdm/xdm to start kde [17:12] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: "Leaving" [17:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:12] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [17:13] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Chocotoff (n=Chocotof@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: [17:14] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] poison: if you login via kde/gdm/xdm in runlevel 4, the X should have read the .xsession, but confirm that by reading the /etc/X11/xinit/* scripts [17:16] bells and whistles seem to make things a pain [17:16] brb [17:16] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "leaving" [17:16] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:17] higuita: I did ... and I read the scripts ... and it should read ~/.xinitrc on start ... but a echo test >/tmp/test confirms it doesn't for whatever reason :( [17:17] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:18] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:23] poison: is .xinitrc executable? [17:23] doesnt need to be [17:23] hm, really? [17:23] rly [17:24] Urchlay: yes, but doesn't matter cause it gets sourced [17:24] kdm just ignores .xinitrc. [17:24] ah, right [17:24] The .xinitrc is used in runlevel 3 [17:25] not 4 [17:25] ...really? [17:25] ...really. [17:25] ...really [17:25] :-) [17:25] alienBOB: bah :) [17:25] hmmm.. [17:25] You know Nasmak BP{k} ? Or are you too young [17:26] alienBOB: can't say that I heard of that. [17:26] Too young :-) [17:26] alright, I'm gonna and see how this thing behaves at runlevel 3 [17:26] alienBOB: ah well .. will be a few year till I reach the big 4-0 ;) [17:26] since I know this thing isn't going to turn off like it's supposed to, I'll be back in a bit [17:27] Band from Eindhoven, big in the 80s [17:27] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.161.215) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:27] Dug up a few of their records - playing them now [17:27] the-zandi (n=zandi@68-188-163-247.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:27] hfjardim (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [17:27] BP{k}: you should get a .40 now [17:28] straterra: S&W? [17:28] kwitschi (n=kwitschi@xuxi.xuxe.de) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.1" [17:28] ur&mom [17:29] alienBOB: aah. [17:29] yes though [17:29] alienBOB: on other good news, I heard a vague rumour that Golden Earring might be doign concerts in the UK around may-ish (and the local supermarket stocked up on Leffes :D [17:29] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:29] I'd go for the Leffe and stay home :-) Put up a few of their old records [17:30] I respect them for still playing terribly well at their age [17:31] agreed :) [17:31] Golden Earring will do two gigs in the UK for the first time in thirty years, with one concert on 14 March 2009 at The Shepherd's Bush Empire in London and one show at Ipswich Regent Theatre on March 13, 2009. [17:31] \o/ [17:31] o.O [17:31] whoa [17:32] they havent toured since I've been alive [17:32] FAIL [17:32] don't suppose they're doing a US tour ever again? [17:32] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:33] probly a bad idea anyway, over here they're considered a one-hit wonder, all anybody's ever heard by them is "radar love" [17:33] (which is a shame) [17:33] s#ever heard#ever heard in the us# ;) [17:33] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [17:34] well I did say "over here" [17:34] Urchlay: "twilight zone" [17:35] oh, right [17:35] two-hit wonder [17:35] but they've recorded a whole lot more than 2 songs [17:35] commercial radio just won't play them for some reason [17:35] didn't MTV put a livetime ban on 'When the Lady Smiles'? [17:35] no idea, not an MTV fan at all [17:36] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] poison (n=poison@p57B2C2F6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:36] Nick change: hfjardim -> bkUp [17:38] the-zandi (n=zandi@68-188-163-247.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:38] well that was interesting... [17:38] I boot into runlevel 3, and can change between ttys fine [17:39] Urchlay: yeah, it was banned due to the contraversial video clip. [17:39] I decide to have an experiment, and log into two, running startx from just one of them [17:39] BP{k}: now you're making me want to see whatever this video is... [17:39] I still had the problem when I got into fluxbox [17:40] heh, and youtube has it [17:40] straterra: they haven't toured the US since 1984. [17:40] Urchlay: ah you found it :) was just about to post the link. 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[17:47] hi. i have RT2860 wireless card, slack 12.2... can't connect to my wpa AP... http://pastebin.com/d4670d59e [17:47] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:47] do i need to use more than wpa_supplicant? [17:47] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) left irc: [17:48] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) left irc: "hmmm?" [17:48] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:49] sveva65 (n=Nomen@unaffiliated/sveva65) joined ##slackware. [17:49] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] baldguy: I've no idea, but... what are you using for a driver for that card? (I have one, though I don't use it with WPA or WEP) [17:50] baldguy: Have you tried wicd from extra/ ? [17:50] Fenrod (n=stefan@brln-4db9ded2.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:51] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-242-65-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:51] baldguy: what driver are you using for that card [17:52] probably the same one I'm using, rt2860sta (third-party, low-quality, documented in Engrish) [17:52] tried wicd, didn't work [17:53] can't i just use wpa_supplicant for it? [17:54] yes; wicd just assists in wpa_supplicant's configuration [17:54] baldguy: ^^^^ [17:55] it didn't work.. so i decided to use wpa_supplicant directly, so i know what exactly is happening... wicd doesn't give much detail what's the problem, just tryes to connect, fails and thats it... [17:56] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:56] i'm using wext driver [17:56] http://pastebin.com/d4670d59e [17:57] did you provide a proper key ? [17:57] baldguy: you did not answer my question [17:57] Are you using the driver from the ralinktech site? If yes, it will not work with wpa_supplicant [17:58] Slackware's /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf file has an example on how to configure a ra0 interface for WPA using iwpriv commands [17:58] alienBOB: yes, why? [17:58] Yes why what [17:59] Read my texts [17:59] The ralink drivers all have internal wpa code, and do not need an external wpa supplicant [18:00] is that a good thing or a bad thing alienBOB? [18:00] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:01] It always works for me Necos [18:01] alienBOB: does it specifically states in the conf that it's for ra0? can't seem to find it [18:01] IN the commented-out examples at the bottom you will find an example for WPA_IWPRIV[] [18:02] #WLAN_IWPRIV[4]="set AuthMode=WPAPSK | set EncrypType=TKIP | set WPAPSK=96389dc66eaf7e6efd5b5523ae43c7925ff4df2f8b7099495192 [18:02] d44a774fda16" [18:02] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/rc_scripts/other_rc_scripts/slackware-12.2/rc.inet1.conf is a copy of the file [18:02] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@89.214.246.120) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [18:02] #WLAN_IWPRIV[4]="set AuthMode=WPAPSK | set EncrypType=TKIP | set WPAPSK=96389dc66eaf7e6efd5b5523ae43c7925ff4df2f8b7099495192 [18:02] d44a774fda16" [18:02] sorry [18:02] #WLAN_IWPRIV[4]="set AuthMode=WPAPSK | set EncrypType=TKIP | set WPAPSK=thekey" is the example [18:03] You can type these iwpriv commands yourself, or leave it to Slackware's rc.inet1 [18:03] and that's it... configure this file and then just up the interface? [18:05] i just found out, that rt2860 drivers can be configured to be compiled with wpa_supplicant support, which i haven't done.. is that for external one? [18:05] sveva65 (n=Nomen@unaffiliated/sveva65) left ##slackware. [18:06] jfsantos (n=jfsantos@unaffiliated/jfsantos) joined ##slackware. [18:06] hello [18:07] bbiab [18:07] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [18:07] i'm with a trouble running mysql_install_db on a freshly installed system [18:07] i get an error: "'mysql.db' is not BASE TABLE" [18:07] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [18:07] alienBOB: ? [18:07] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-116-166.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] does anybody knows something about this trouble? i cannot find anything useful [18:10] jfsantos (n=jfsantos@unaffiliated/jfsantos) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.5" [18:10] fprimex (n=fprimex@ip-152010133156.its.appstate.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:11] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-75-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:11] fprimex (n=fprimex@ip-152010133156.its.appstate.edu) left irc: Client Quit [18:11] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-132.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] baldguy: it can be compiled to use an external supplicant but I have no records about the quality of that code [18:12] alienBOB: thank you [18:12] If you want to know what rc.inet1.conf can do for you read http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network or type "man rc.inet1.conf" [18:12] thanks a lot [18:12] baldguy (n=m1d@host81-157-12-107.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:13] Never a smart move to quit the channel before you grasp what you are trying to learn [18:13] ok, I think I'm narrowing down this problem now [18:13] it appears that X may be freezing on exit, or something [18:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) left irc: [18:14] I telinit'd to 4, X started up (kde), and I tried to telinit back to 3 [18:14] the problem reproduced itself and everything seemed to freeze up [18:15] euler- (n=carter@196-209-63-250-rrba-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Fenrod (n=stefan@brln-4db9ded2.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [18:22] say, does anyone know what logs I could check? [18:22] I moved syslog in hopes a fresh one would be generated just before I switched runlevels [18:22] now I'm going to check it out with the slackware install CD [18:23] should I try this with any other logs? [18:23] /var/log/Xorg.0.log [18:23] ok. [18:23] check dmesg too i'd think [18:23] gOi (n=carter@196-209-63-250-rrba-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) left irc: Connection timed out [18:24] wass (n=wass@cpe-76-92-253-124.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:25] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-242-65-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [18:25] hello [18:26] does anyone here has lighscrib burner ? [18:26] lightscrib* [18:27] ahmed-tux, I do, but donno how to use it ... sorry [18:28] wass: i want only to know if it work in Linux ? [18:28] Action: wass watches for a response... might be useful info [18:29] ahmed-tux, I've used Slackware almost 10 years... so I'd be glad to help on anything that I know how to do... unfortunately this isn't one :( [18:29] wass: i'll buy it and try [18:30] actually, I've never even owned the media... I only bought the drive cuz it was the cheapest one at the local hardware shop :) [18:30] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:30] wass: ditto [18:31] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [18:31] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:31] went out to get a DVD reader, came home with a zomg-everything-drive [18:31] lol [18:31] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Action: wass paid like $20 US [18:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:34] hmmm... Xorg.0.log doesn't mention anything about shutting X down [18:34] alt+f7 ... is it still running? [18:34] ps -ef | grep x [18:35] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left ##slackware. [18:35] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:35] i'm on the slackware install CD [18:35] ? [18:35] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] problem appears to come up whenever I leave/shut down X [18:35] switch TTY? blank screen, system freeze. [18:35] the slackware install cd has an x-windows installer now? [18:35] Action: wass feels old [18:35] try to poweroff/change runlevel? same thing [18:35] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [18:36] this is 12.2, if that matters. [18:36] i dont think it does, no [18:36] Action: wass is using 12.2... didn't notice an x-based setup though [18:36] ther eisn't [18:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:37] just command line [18:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:37] i'm on the slackware install CD [18:37] that confuses me [18:37] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] did alt+f7 and/or ps -ef | grep x turn anything up? [18:38] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] on the install CD as in I rebooted into the CD instead of the installed distro [18:39] ps -ef|grep x shows nothing to do with X [18:39] take out the CD [18:40] reboot [18:40] Action: wass is very confused [18:40] I "booted into" the CD as if I were installing [18:40] that way I would have a terminal to work in without the main system booting and making logs [18:41] I thought I'd get a clean syslog to look at, but that didn't happen anyways :/ [18:41] oh, so when you boot sans CD, it doesn't get to a login prompt? [18:41] oh [18:41] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:41] did you mount your / and look in it's var log dir? [18:41] Action: wass isn't sure that's going to help though [18:42] no, it boots fine normally [18:42] username27 (n=username@ip72-218-168-91.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] ok so you are having trouble with X... but everything else is working fine? [18:42] yes, it appears so [18:42] it started as a problem with shutting down [18:42] so what happens when you are at a prompt and you type 'startx' [18:42] the system starts in runlevel 3, and poweroff/shutdown/init 0 work fine from there [18:42] right [18:42] i type startx, and fluxbox loads fine [18:43] ok [18:43] then? [18:43] then I use rxvt/xterm to power off when I'm done [18:43] fluxbox goes away, and everything hangs. blank screen. [18:43] power off? [18:43] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [18:43] as in "init 0" or "shutdown -now" [18:43] also, while in fluxbox/KDE I can't switch TTY or I get the same result [18:43] yes. [18:43] ok, so what happens if you exit fluxbox first? [18:44] not sure exactly how [18:44] you tried ctl+alt+F1 to change? [18:44] yes, I did [18:44] in X you have to use ctl as well [18:44] I have alt-f# set to switch between my desktops [18:44] NO [18:44] no? [18:44] in xwindows you have to use ctl+alt+f [18:44] x captures the alt [18:44] or kde does...; donno which [18:45] is there another site like slackbuilds where i can rsync the build scripts? [18:45] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] or does slapt-get, slackyd, or swaret work with x86_64? [18:45] install sbopkg then sbopkg --help as root [18:46] the-zandi, use ctl... and google for the proper procedures to exit fluxbox [18:46] battlemidget: We don't support slapt-get, slackyd, or swaret here. [18:46] i'll google that now, but what exactly do you mean use ctl? [18:46] ctl for switching tty, or for switching between virtual desktops? [18:46] the-zandi, "init 0" from within an xterm "should" work, but it's not the correct way [18:47] between tty [18:47] in x, you're on f7 [18:47] so to go to f1 [18:47] (Technically, we don't support x86_64 here either, but that's a different issue.) [18:47] you use ctl+alt+f1 [18:47] ok [18:47] alt+f1 doesn't work [18:47] cuz the window manager captures that and treats it like a local command [18:47] i know [18:48] that's how I have it set up to switch between virtual desktops in fluxbox. alt-f# [18:48] ok [18:48] battlemidget: Which x86_64 distro are you using? [18:48] so to go to tty1, you have to use the ctl key too [18:48] slamd64 [18:48] yes, I know [18:48] slackbuilds works fine as long as i change the architecture build options [18:49] using that key combination is how I know switching ttys doesn't work quite right [18:49] just curious if there were other sites out there [18:49] Ah, good. We do have a channel (#slamd64) on FN. [18:49] ok cool [18:49] We don't have a site per se, but we do have a couple of resources. [18:49] Action: wass hasn't been in IRC for a while, and has apparently forgotten how hard it is to be helpful in irc... heh [18:49] ok sweet [18:49] the-zandi, what happens if you _do_ press ctl+alt+f1? [18:49] http://github.com/JoshW/slamdbuilds/ <-- My repo of converted/my SlackBuilds [18:50] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] http://github.com/abrouwers/slamd64_ajb/ <-- thrice`s builds for various things [18:51] jkwood: nice [18:51] those gst-plugins will come in handy [18:51] if i try and press ctrl-alt-f1....... [18:51] fluxbox disappears [18:51] then I get a nice blank screen [18:51] and it hangs there [18:51] Are you running 12.2? [18:51] can't switch back to fluxbox either [18:51] yes, 12.2 [18:51] the-zandi, you can't go back to fluxbox by pressing ctl+alt+f7? [18:51] nope. [18:52] bizzare [18:52] Sorry, I meant battlemidget. [18:52] maybe you have a video driver or a framebuffer issue [18:52] Action: jkwood takes it to #slamd64 [18:52] jkwood: yeah, afte rI typed that I thought I jumped into the wrong convo for a second [18:52] jkwood: yea 12.2 [18:52] wass: how would I check that? [18:52] the-zandi, I don' t know [18:52] hmmmmm [18:53] boot up and don't go into X, and run dmesg [18:53] I guess [18:53] and look for errors relating to video and/or framebuffer? 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[18:57] plugdev should be already existant by default [18:57] if you want everyone in group disk to be able to mount it... use disk... if you want a subset of folks to be able to use it, define your own :) [18:58] wass: ok, just thought that there where security issues i don't know about [18:58] agpart: Detected VIA Trister-K/KT133x/KM133 chipset [18:58] thrice: wasn't there :) [18:58] the-zandi, look specifically for anything that looks like an error [18:58] got it [18:58] Fenrod: which slackware version ? [18:58] Fendrod, sure there are security issues... but it depends on what users you have, etc... each persons situation is unique [18:59] Fenrod, you don't want to have users in the 'disk' group. that's a no-no [18:59] aha: "Error: Driver 'isp1760' is already registered, aborting..." [18:59] Fenrod, my server has zero external users... so for me it wouldn't really matter what group I attach it to :) [18:59] doesn't look like such a bad error to me, but it's the first I've come across [18:59] thrice: 12.2, but i messed around with it pretty much with it, so it may have been my own fault [18:59] the-zandi, google for that [19:00] wass: ahh you're old in Slacky [19:00] the-zandi, google for any error in dmesg, and see if that points you anywhere [19:00] Old_Fogie: would you mind linking me to that "firestarter" patch you mentioned before? [19:00] ahmed-tux, yep [19:00] Rat409, yea sure gimme a min to find it [19:00] ahmed-tux, new to this channel on IRC, but been using slack quite some time [19:00] thanks when its convenient [19:01] wass: well, that one seems to be a USB driver. probably not my problem... I'll keep looking [19:02] ok, that looks liek the only error in dmesg.... [19:02] the-zandi, also look at /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/messages... might find clues there as well [19:02] wass: can you help about something , do you now the 8MO that Windows let for registring partition, what's the equivalent in Linux ? " /etc/fstab" or /boot + /etc/fstab ? [19:02] the-zandi, and possibly /var/log/syslog [19:02] Rat409, can I pm you the link [19:02] sure,thanks [19:02] k [19:03] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:03] ahmed-tux, "8MO that windows let for registering"? [19:03] thanks! got it. appreciate it. [19:03] wass: I already had a little "experiment" to see if any syslog entries were added by the problem, and it didn't appear so [19:03] wass: would that indicate the rc.6 script was never called? [19:03] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] the-zandi, rc.6 is only called when you reboot (init 6) [19:03] actually [19:04] wass: yeah it let it for regestring the partition config , do you know it ? [19:04] I looked, and it appears as though rc.0 is a symlink to rc.6 [19:04] thats normal/window 1 [19:04] ahmed-tux, I'm not sure what you mean... /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab are used to set up automount partitions, etc [19:04] whoops [19:04] the-zandi, rc.0 is a symlink to rc.6? [19:05] Action: wass looks at his install [19:05] Rat409, I sent you my notes on how to get the patches out of the gz file [19:05] yes,just got them,thanks a lot!! [19:05] :D [19:05] wow, look at that... mine's like that too... hehe [19:05] yeah. [19:05] the-zandi, I guess that makes sense, cuz 0 is shutdown and 6 is reboot [19:05] the only difference is at the end [19:05] indeed. [19:06] the-zandi, so anything you'd do in 0 you'd likely do in 6 [19:06] except the very last thing at the end [19:06] rebooting or powerinf ogg [19:06] *powering off [19:06] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] Old_Fogie: Could you elaborate some more why there sould be no users in disk group? [19:07] ok, I can't deal with wading through these gigantic logs [19:07] i'm gonna move them aside, replicate the problem, then have a look. [19:07] the-zandi, I still say you have either a vidieo or a framebuffer issue... has nothing to do with startup or shutdown scripts [19:07] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:07] well yeah [19:07] the-zandi, or else your kernel is messed up... you using the default kernel? [19:07] when I moved the syslog aside, the replicated the problem, a new one wasn't generated [19:07] for 12.2 that is [19:08] this makes me think the script never got called for some reason [19:08] yes, default [19:08] Fenrod, becuase you're giving users direct access to the physical disk , all perms are shot. that's why we have plugdev, so you "plug" in a device as a user in the "plugdev" group, hal see's this and mounts it for you. other users cant screw you up as you use it, etc. [19:08] the-zandi, I donno... without physical access to your computer, I'm stumped [19:08] yeah [19:08] Fenrod, if you need to have a permanent location for a drive, you put it into /etc/fstab and hal will honor that too, assuming you have it set up correcty in fstab [19:09] ok, i'll moved aside messages, syslog, and Xorg.0.log [19:09] does that sound good? so I'll get fresh, clean copies of those? [19:09] that's fine... but if there's a clue, it'll be in one of those already... maybe creating new ones will clean it up... but no guarantees [19:10] you may have to just grep the logs for things like "video" "error" "framebuffer" etc [19:10] yeah [19:10] also check for a kernel panic [19:10] uh, ok [19:10] grep "panic" * [19:11] wel wait, wouldn't that be listed in the syslog? [19:11] should be listed in one of the logs... not sure which [19:11] I'd just... grep "panic" *... that'll find it if it exists [19:11] right. so the buzzwords are panic, video, error, and framebuffer [19:12] Fenrod, so my point is, making the disk writable by the group disk,and adding users to the disk group is not what you want. you want to get hal working with the plugdev group, see what I mean [19:12] based on your initial description of your problem... that'd be the first thing I'd try [19:12] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:12] Action: wass has to run [19:12] what was the command to re-read the partition table ? [19:12] the-zandi, good luck [19:12] Old_Fogie: yes [19:12] peace out [19:12] wass (n=wass@cpe-76-92-253-124.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:13] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:13] errordeveloper : partprobe [19:13] Fenrod, now if you add a user to the plugdev group, you'll need to have that user log-in/out for the group change to take effect. [19:13] errordeveloper : or blockdev --rereadpt [19:13] josemanuel (n=josemanu@220.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:13] Fenrod, you'll need to have the rc.messagebus, rc.hal, and rc.udev script as executable [19:13] Fenrod, and all of them running, "chmod +x" them files and a reboot is a sure way to get it all going. [19:14] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:14] Fenrod, users to use hal, only need be in plugdev, but I also add them to power,audio,man,mail,scanner,slocate,games,lp,video (while we're on topic of groups) [19:14] Old_Fogie: Thanks for the explanation. hal is working fine rihgt now [19:15] yw [19:15] Old_Fogie: the sole fakt that users have to log in /out for that chages to take effect is enough not to use disk, didn't think about that actually :) [19:16] foureyes779 (n=Theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [19:16] i still get 'BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy' [19:16] Fenrod, :D [19:16] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Operation timed out [19:16] Fenrod, get's me everytime too :) [19:16] but none of the partitions are mounted [19:16] Cann0n (n=jack@75-107-34-104.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:18] ewww [19:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] try and see if stoping mdadm and smartd can help .. [19:19] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-166-138.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Old_Fogie: i'm just seeing that the cdrom devices are in a separate group named 'cdrom'. This is solely for separating access to usbsicks /cdrom and has no impact on hal then? [19:20] Fenrod, oh yea I forgot that one, add to that too [19:20] I add to that I mean for normal desktop users [19:20] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:21] Fenrod, if you want floppy disk, you need to edit the fstab for that as well and add to floppy group [19:21] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [19:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] Old_Fogie: yes, but i've rarely seen a pc with floppy lately :) [19:22] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:22] Fenrod, heh I see em' everyday :) [19:22] Fenrod: I've got 2 of them at my feet. [19:23] hehe, well thank you so much for the explanation and help [19:23] np, yw [19:23] Action: foureyes779 plays with Win 7 [19:23] Action: Old_Fogie does a Moe fork fingers on foureyes779 and makes hime twoeys779 for playing with Win 7 [19:24] Fenrod (n=stefan@brln-4db9ded2.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:24] Anyone here built an embeded system w/ slack on a cf card? [19:24] ..ouchie, ouchie ...OUCH!!!!! [19:24] myeah, nyuck,nyuck, nyuck, that'll teach ya ...win 7 ...har har hardee har har har [19:25] MrJackson: may be you could just look at zipslack ? [19:25] or ..use a distro like pupy-linux [19:25] or ssomething [19:25] Channel flood from errordeveloper -- kicking [19:25] i'm sure they had one distro based on slackware ;) [19:25] errordeveloper kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:26] well fuck. [19:26] if I can't get this problem resolved I may just switch to debian [19:26] hmm, i forgot about zipslack [19:26] "switch to debian"... is that a threat or a promise ? :) [19:26] both [19:27] Action: foureyes779 was thinking the same thing.... [19:27] gah. it's got to be a problem with X.... [19:27] the-zandi, well what's the prob [19:27] i already went over it in-depth with wass [19:27] there's something up with switching out of X, whether it be fluxbox or KDE [19:27] ctrl-alt-f# to switch tty gets me hung up forever on a blank screen [19:28] the-zandi, whcih vide drier? [19:28] video [19:28] and so does shutting down via shutdown, poweroff, telinit... [19:28] i think it's just the VESA driver [19:28] i'm not 100% sure how to check the driver [19:28] the-zandi: I'm coming to the party late, but. Have you tried 'vga=normal' in lilo.conf? [19:28] i'm using grub [19:28] the-zandi, it still works [19:28] ok, menu.lst then [19:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:28] the vga line [19:28] the-zandi, can ya still ssh into it ? [19:28] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [19:29] i'm sitting at it right now [19:29] you mean ssh when it's locked up? [19:29] the-zandi, nah it's so you can ssh in and get a look at logs [19:29] the-zandi, yeah [19:29] point being, pass 'vga=normal' to the kernel as a parameter, at boot-time, to get rid of whatever framebuffer driver you're using [19:29] i'll try that urchlay [19:30] I might as well reproduce the problem while I'm at it, and see if it responds to pings/connections [19:30] the-zandi, just wondering here...but you're not trying ctrl-alt-f1 are you ? from run level 4 ? [19:30] no, I start in runlevel 3 [19:30] then issue startx for my gui [19:30] What happens? You boot and not see anything? [19:30] i'm booted now just fine [19:31] i'm sitting at a CLI, switching tty works great as well [19:31] Lorinal1233 (n=peter@cpe-76-171-209-202.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:31] the-zandi, ~/.xsession-errors ; /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; /var/log/messages ; /var/log/syslog ; <-- those are the files to watch. [19:31] cool, problem fixed [19:31] I looked at all of those except xsession-errors [19:32] After x failure run grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log [19:32] the Xorg.0.log file will show you which vid driver is in use [19:32] boerni (i=boerni@irc.misterjack.de) joined ##slackware. [19:32] ok [19:33] grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0log doesn't turn up anything [19:33] the standard key at the top, and then load extension MI-SCREEN-SAVER [19:34] *MIT-SCREEN-SAVER i meant. [19:35] the ~/.xsession-errors file doesn't have much in it either [19:35] just four errors about a bad window (invalid window parameter) [19:37] the-zandi, when you log out right, of X I mean, and start dropping down , I'm thinking your saying it looks like it's hung up, but before you try and switch tty's, have you hit the 'enter' key and see if it gives a command prompt, or hit ctrl-c at all, and seen what happens? [19:37] i'll try that. I guess i'll go reproduce the error now [19:37] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:37] speaking of which, what's the *proper* way to exit X? [19:37] I just always did "telinit 0" or something [19:38] the-zandi, depends on window manager [19:38] fluxbox? [19:38] the-zandi, that's shutdown you dont do that [19:38] whatever your window manager uses for its exit or logout function [19:38] flubox has a logout command [19:38] well, I tried to switch runlevels to a non-shutdown one as well [19:38] issuing telinit 0 will give you unexpected results [19:38] ok [19:39] yeah dont do that [19:39] fprimex (n=fprimex@ip-152010133156.its.appstate.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:39] also don't press ctrl-alt-backspace [19:39] just use the logout on the alt-click menu of fluxbox where theres no icons or programs [19:39] so i'd enter "logout" into fluxbox's "run" box? [19:39] (though it's handy to know about, if your X session ever gets wedged) [19:39] whats wrong with CTRL+ALT+BKSPC ? [19:39] foureyes779, that's a zap, kills programs doesnt sigterm them [19:39] foureyes779: You don't want to use it to exit X normally [19:40] fprimex (n=fprimex@ip-152010133156.its.appstate.edu) left ##slackware ("fprimex.com"). [19:40] foureyes779: nothing *wrong* with it, but some apps tend to dislike being abruptly murdered [19:40] ok, it's doing it again [19:40] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [19:40] I just went to fluxbox menu>exit [19:40] the-zandi: ping it from another box? [19:40] now it's hung up on the blank screen [19:40] pinging it now... [19:40] Action: foureyes779 quickly disables his "CTRL+ALT+backspace" Macro [19:40] the-zandi, you hit ctrl and c ? and enter? [19:40] the-zandi: is the monitor showing a raster? [19:41] just tried ctrl+c and enter. no dice. [19:41] yeah, any spam on the screen at all? [19:41] raster? [19:41] it's on, if that's what you mean [19:41] a pictuer at all [19:41] as opposed to shutting off the display like it does when the PC is powered off [19:41] no picture aside from the pixel with red stuck all the way on [19:41] the display is on [19:41] but isn't displaying anything meaningful. it's black. [19:41] and the power light on the monitor doesn't turn orange or anything like that... [19:42] ok, did your ping work? [19:42] laptop [19:42] ping didn't, but to make sure I had the address right, i'm ping scanning my network [19:42] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-166-138.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1" [19:43] irssi looks cooool in tty lol [19:43] OK, press the capslock or numlock keys on the laptop, see if the caps/numlock lights light up? [19:43] (that's not a reliable indicator of much, but it means *something* is alive if it works) [19:43] the laptop is completely unresponsive [19:43] also, the fan's been increasing in speed since this has happened [19:43] before, everything was fine, and the fane was quiet [19:43] vroomm! [19:43] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [19:43] lol, yeah [19:44] at least it isn't the HDD [19:44] the-zandi, just wondering did you upgrade from 12.1 to 12.2? is this a "full recommended install" from the installer (meaning is it possible some package is missing?) [19:44] the-zandi: your trouble might be acpi-related [19:44] alright, ping scan's in. the box is down [19:44] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:44] i installed onto a fresh HDD [19:44] not that I know how to fix it necessarily, but it's worth examining [19:44] straight 12.2 from the 3 CDs [19:44] ACPI? [19:44] yah. [19:44] hmmmmmm [19:45] I still think it's a problem relating to X [19:45] the thing powers off just fine from a straight tty before I startx [19:45] if it were a desktop I'd say boot with "noacpi", but not a good idea on modern laptops [19:45] it also switches ttys fine in that instance as well [19:45] the-zandi, when you are in X, can you do a ctrl+alt+Fn key to get to a console ? [19:45] no [19:46] what video driver do you use in X? [19:46] when I do, this same exact thing happens [19:46] video driver? [19:46] yeah [19:46] sounds real similair to a prob I had a while back. [19:46] not positive. VESA I think. [19:46] better check [19:46] turns out I had some missing library's that werent installed [19:46] how exactly? [19:46] checking the video driver, that is [19:46] take a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [19:46] let me check my notes real quick [19:46] vga=normal on boot? [19:47] find the 'Section "Device"' [19:47] Look for a line like: Driver "nvidia" [19:47] well hold on, I just rebooted.... [19:47] emorris (n=ezra@students.coll.hallam.ask4.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:47] i'm in grub now. do you guys want me to try vga=normal? [19:47] ...with vga=normal? [19:47] or check the xorg.conf? [19:47] yeah, but I have no idea how to add kernel parameters in grub [19:47] ask someone who knows grub, if you don't know either [19:47] the-zandi: did you specificly change your video driver your self? [19:48] i think I can do it with e... [19:48] no, I didn't [19:48] then its vesa [19:48] i left everything default [19:48] that'll be VESA [19:48] ok [19:48] grep vesa /etc/X11/xorg.conf [19:48] vesa is actually pretty rotten for daily use. [19:48] i'll try booting with vga=normal then [19:48] Urchlay: it's funky. You hit 'e' when the entry is selected at bootup. Then edit it, hit return, then 'b' to boot. [19:48] wait [19:48] the-zandi: what graphics card do you have? [19:48] the-zandi, check libX11 [19:48] the-zandi: lspci | grep VGA [19:49] the-zandi: paste line here [19:49] lol paste [19:49] <--desktop [19:49] anyways, as far as video card goes, I have no idea [19:49] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:49] huh? [19:49] but it's integrated [19:49] morning macavity, BTW [19:49] morning macavity [19:49] ;) [19:49] what does "<--desktop" mean? [19:49] just grap hold of a freaking terminal, and do lspci | grep VGA [19:50] macavity: he's sitting at a grub prompt apparently [19:50] it outputs a line, which you copy/paste in here, so i can tell you what video driver to user... [19:50] that's what i'm doing now [19:50] but I can't paste it from one machine to another [19:50] i'll just manually copy it, no big deal. [19:50] then you type it off [19:50] the-zandi: actually. How came you to have grub installed? [19:51] well, lilo wouldn't install anyways [19:51] ah [19:51] better yet, pastebin it, if both systems are on the network [19:51] you can ditch everything up to the first : [19:51] the-zandi, and libXkbfile [19:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [19:52] lspci|gerp libxkbdfile? [19:52] no [19:52] anyways, here's the lspci|gerp VGA line [19:52] just ignore foureyes779 [19:52] no; /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [19:53] grep, not gerp [19:53] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-166-138.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Action: foureyes779 pouts in the corner [19:53] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8636A [ProSavage KN133] AGP4X VGA Controller (TwisterK) (rev 01) [19:54] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-166-138.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:55] then you use the "savage" driver [19:55] do you know if it's included? download off the manufacturer's site? [19:55] grep -n vesa /etc/X11/xorg.conf [19:55] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:55] ok [19:55] that outputs a line number [19:55] open that file in a text editor [19:55] go to that line [19:55] change "vesa" to "savage" [19:56] save file, and startx [19:56] alright. [19:56] new FF3 out [19:56] i'll back it up first though. i'lve had hell with xorg.conf before [19:56] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:56] there is an "orgiginal" in here already backed up for you [19:56] /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa for your convinience [19:57] ive thanked Patrick in my night prayers for it before :P [19:57] ha [19:57] isn't there a command in vi to jump to a certain line #? [19:57] probably... [19:57] G+number_of_the_line [19:57] G20 for instance [19:57] that's :G401, right? [19:58] no, just G401 [19:58] no : [19:58] ok [19:58] huh... G jumps me to the very end [19:58] hum, sorry : 401G [19:58] >< [19:58] ah [19:59] Action: Camarade_Tux is getting tired [19:59] i know what you mean [19:59] alright, changed that. now I'm ready to startx, right? [20:00] eh. i did anyways. everything seems to be fine so far... [20:00] holy balls [20:00] that fixed it [20:00] my god it's actually fixed [20:00] holy shit it's fixed [20:00] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [20:00] :D [20:01] macavity: I owe you big time [20:01] emorris (n=ezra@students.coll.hallam.ask4.co.uk) left irc: "gtg" [20:01] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [20:02] the-zandi: you can pay me back in a special way [20:02] if I were slightly gayer I just might [20:02] the-zandi: read www.slackbook.org like the bible [20:02] got it [20:03] slackmagic: What's sspm stand for? [20:03] next on my list is getting the aircrack-ng suite working properly, among some other things [20:03] oh bloody hell. I knew it. Perl is trying to destroy the world... [20:03] CPAN wants to install Devel::GlobalDestruction [20:04] the-zandi: open a terminal and type: glxinfo | grep direct [20:04] lol [20:04] direct rendering: yes [20:04] ....meaning it renders directly to screen instead of a buffer or something? i'm not sure what this means. [20:04] good... then you should be able to get stuff like compiz working [20:05] that means that you have hardware acceleration for 3D [20:05] nixnix (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] oh, you think I want 3d graphics in my wm? [20:05] this laptop would die [20:05] 1.2 Ghz CPU and 256 MB ram [20:05] glxgears [20:05] it does work [20:06] huh [20:06] what kind of FPS do you get? [20:06] i might just check it out [20:06] 85+ [20:06] not bad [20:06] the-zandi: raped laptop lol [20:06] but I do only have fluxbox and rxvt open [20:06] fan's churnin' up :) [20:06] fuck this shit [20:06] temp = 190f [20:06] ouch [20:06] it overheats at 200f [20:07] better kill glxgears then :P [20:07] I have the same problem with youtube [20:07] and take it appart and get all the dust bunnies out of it [20:07] I did earlier [20:07] it's just real old. [20:07] hope the laptop's not actually sitting on your lap when molten metal starts dripping out of the vents [20:07] lol [20:07] the-zandi, it also means you'll get a faster X *overall*, not only for 3D [20:07] sweet [20:07] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:07] if it overheats that easily, you might consider underclocking it [20:08] the-zandi: what wifi card do you have? [20:08] speaking of X, my university set me up with a shell account on the engineering/CS server [20:08] meaning I can X11 tunnel matlab [20:08] I have a netgear... something [20:08] I checked the backtrack wiki and it's supported perfectly [20:09] it's worked just fine with BT2, and so far it's been the same case for slackware 12.2 [20:09] you do, in all probability, need to patch your driver [20:09] I've just got to figure out how to properly install the aircrack-ng suite, I think I did it wrong the first time around [20:09] probably [20:09] again, which one is it? [20:09] let me check... would it list the model in linux somewhere? [20:10] lspci | grep controller [20:10] it's an atheros chipset [20:11] athers AR501X+, rev 01 [20:11] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:11] ok [20:11] then you have two options [20:11] it's worked fine on WEP cracking before, I just have to figure out how to set it up manually now, instead of letting someone do all my work for me [20:11] MIOW (n=MIOW@87.237.114.21) joined ##slackware. [20:12] madwifi or kernel upgrade so you get the new ath5k driver [20:12] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) joined ##slackware. [20:12] madwifi sounsd like the easier route [20:12] i dont know about madwifi, as i never use binary blobs [20:12] hmmm [20:12] well, what would the kernel upgrade be like? [20:12] but nullboy is the local madwifi pimp :P [20:12] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.28.115) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:12] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [20:13] lets wait a little with a kernel upgrade :P [20:13] ha, alright. [20:13] Action: NyteOwl needs to find an 802.11a AP [20:13] I don't think I'd trust myself to recompile my kernel either [20:13] wait, why would you need 802.11a? [20:13] wise choice :P [20:13] NyteOwl: Why do you need only a? [20:13] at least for now [20:13] anyhow, check out slackbuilds.org [20:13] NyteOwl: must come with the ability to do a/b/g and N if you want. [20:14] agentc0re: well if you can find me a router that does a for a reasonable price :) [20:14] slackbuilds.org/howto for how to use a slackbuild [20:14] they have aircrack-ng there [20:14] Action: Camarade_Tux had not read the comment about recompiling the kernel yet and was actually issuing 'git pull' from /usr/src/linux [20:14] you need iw too [20:14] most do b/g and N [20:14] iw? [20:14] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] NyteOwl: What's reasonable? [20:15] iw is a tool used by recent versions of aircrack-ng [20:15] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [20:15] all of this is available on slackbuilds.org [20:15] alright [20:15] you just have to learn how to use the builds [20:15] agentc0re: something that won't empty my wallet at the time I find it :) [20:16] why use slackbuilds instead of compile from source? [20:16] the-zandi: slackbuilds IS compiling frosource [20:16] or am I misunderstanding this? [20:16] slackbuilds does compile from source [20:16] ooooh [20:16] it just makes a proper package for you [20:16] I think I get it [20:16] so you can removepkg it later [20:16] NyteOwl: Well you're wallet could have $1 to $1000. How much are you willing to spend? [20:16] doing "make install" over your shiny new system is kinda messy :P [20:16] So, I'm at home but on call. I needed to call back 2 people and tell them I couldn't help them. I pick up the phone and dial 9-1-323-.... :| (I'm at home, not the office) [20:17] heh [20:17] agentc0re unsure. Not a huge amount. it's for my home entwork not work. Already have a there but stealing the AP isn't an option :) [20:17] anything interesting happen bob? [20:17] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.180) left irc: ""... going home, 9:17 pm and still at work :/"" [20:17] worse coems to worse I could get an a NIC and make a router [20:17] the-zandi: Naw, just people I don't support calling in about non-emergencies [20:18] heh [20:18] Not even our clients, both were with a reseller. [20:18] oh, hey... [20:18] Action: macavity still waits for HostAP to work properly with mac80211 devices [20:18] make gives me a warning when I tried to compile aircrack-ng earlier about a clock skew... [20:18] i have a small pile of Atheros 5K cards :P [20:18] heh [20:19] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4CB59.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [20:19] s/devices/drivers/ [20:20] there has been TRHEE different wifi stacks in the kernel so far [20:20] its almos rediculous [20:20] *almost [20:21] damn ebay wants to run a dll to customize a page [20:21] man, I should probably study for my calc test tomorrow... [20:21] farking ebay, can never do anything right [20:21] NyteOwl: time to send a nasty-gram [20:22] NyteOwl: seriously, do it! [20:22] any ideas on why i my monitor doesnt come out of Suspend to disk? [20:22] Cann0n: ATI card? [20:22] yes [20:22] macavity: I'm tired of sending them nastygrams about things that don't work on their site. You'de think with their resources they could make a web site that was cross-browser compatible but Nooooooooooooooooooo [20:22] the video memory gets corrupted [20:23] you need to make a custom scripts [20:23] *script [20:23] hm. So there's no sane way to make a SlackBuild for a CPAN module that depends on 20 other CPAN modules, is there? [20:23] that vt-switches [20:23] stores the video memory [20:23] how? [20:23] and when it resumes, uploads the video memory and vt-switches back [20:23] NyteOwl, oh the ATI site? yea it's bad. they don't even give gnu/lin users of the binary blobs a place to post bugs. [20:23] you search the gentoo forum for it [20:23] its rather complicted [20:24] Old_Fogie: no E-Bay. I have no problem with the ATI pages [20:24] thx [20:24] oh yea? huh, no I don't ebay here, but good to know [20:24] anyone here use gmail's "basic HTML view"? [20:24] NuMaStresa (n=undefine@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [20:25] Cann0n, didnt i try to help you the other day with this? i believe you tried a script i pasted with vt switches [20:25] Urchlay, the noscript (whichever it is) that's the one I use [20:25] Old_Fogie: can you forward emails with it? [20:25] I could, until about 2 days ago. [20:25] tank-man: it needs to dump the video memory too [20:25] Urchlay, I'll try now [20:25] ok, he didnt try that [20:26] I use the basic html view sometimes [20:27] the flash interface is a bti too heavy for my laptop [20:27] Urchlay, correct, no forward option [20:27] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:27] Old_Fogie: crap. I was hoping it was something I was doing wrong. [20:27] also the regular "Reply" link is gone (but "More Reply Options" button does the same thing) [20:27] damn it fucks up in IE too, go figure [20:27] foureyes779 (n=Theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left irc: "Leaving" [20:28] Urchlay, actually in opera, there's none if I toggle js on either [20:28] if you toggle js *on*, the forward/reply goes away? [20:28] tank-man/Cann0n: http://pastebin.ca/1326754 [20:28] Action: NyteOwl should see how much work he has to do to move from 12.1 to 12.2 [20:28] the above is based on the gentoo wiki [20:29] i havent tested this version yet [20:29] Urchlay, oh wait, in js standardview it is there [20:29] yeah [20:29] but I like the plain HTML version (I can use mozex with it, and that means I can compose/edit emails with vim) [20:29] tank-man: it didnt work [20:30] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:30] Urchlay, plain is best here too, on all pc's I hate js [20:30] remember? [20:30] yeah, I run the noscript extension [20:30] hate JS [20:30] Urchlay, yahoo is funny that way with no js too, stuff disapperars then comes back, dunno why [20:30] we hatesss it, my preciousss [20:30] exactly [20:30] Cann0n: is that script totally black art to you? [20:31] bleah, just means I should quit procrastinating, call dickhead ex-roommate, get him to point urchlay.com DNS at something useful [20:31] use sendmail, procmail, and pine, like the gods intended [20:32] NuMaStresa (n=undefine@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] alpine or mutt even :) [20:33] pine is tuff [20:33] blackorca (n=blackorc@173-100-238-197.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] that's a little too sadist for my tastebuds [20:33] no, i found the gentoo wiki for that problem but the url cant be retrieved. i tried tank-mans script but it throws out errors. i can write scripts, just i know nothing about how to not corrupt video memory on suspend [20:33] yuh alpine is current pine [20:33] only person I know that uses that is security@slac4w4rz [20:33] mutt's probably nicer than pine... but pine is what I'm used to [20:33] i tried man corrupt video memory.... [20:33] now mutt, that's my baby there [20:34] I'm trying to figure out why I'm not giving any sound.. I have an SB Live 5.1, and everything worked last night, messing around with all the volume settings in alsamixer doesn't do anything. I get no errors when I attempt to play music through xmms or watch a movie in mplayer. [20:34] speakers on? [20:34] I can hear a tone difference when switching on/off some of the switches in alsamixer (like headphone amp, it makes a click sound in my headphones) [20:34] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:34] mute off? [20:34] tank-man, yes, I can hear a click when I'm switching some of the stuff on/off in alsamixer, so sound must be getting through [20:34] tech support Q "is the pc plugged into the wall" customer A: "no! the computer didn't come with a wall" [20:34] Old_Fogie :) [20:35] tank-man, yes, I've tried unmuting everything, and still nothing [20:35] Urchlay, :) [20:35] blackorca, sometimes there some check box thing-a-ma-jingies there, you fiddle with them? [20:35] blackorca, did you reboot or shutdown since it was working? [20:35] Old_Fogie, the switches? [20:35] yea [20:36] tank-man, yes, I haven't rebooted yet because this has happened on previous versions of slackware and I'm trying to figure out the problem haha [20:36] I've found kmixer can mess you up at times, fwiw [20:36] rrr, hey, someone remind me. When we're done helping blackorca with his audio issues, I got an odd audio-related question. [20:36] (it can wait though) [20:36] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:37] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "See you later..." [20:37] blackorca, are the speakers good ( I know that's grabbing at straws, but you pull out / plug them back in? if they're old) could be the connector in/out of pc, or the jack connector going. [20:37] I remember in the last few releases, I think it had to do with modules being loaded too quickly or something, but I forget [20:38] so it was working yesterday and you did nothing, and today it is not working? [20:38] boy oh boy does gtkmm take long to compiile or what, hhe [20:38] tank-man, correct, this used to happen on slackware before; rebooting would solve the problem most of the time [20:38] I had debian on here prior to this with no problems, so I dont' believe it's a hardware issue (previous versions of slackware before that though) [20:38] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep" [20:38] blackorca, what desktop enviro [20:39] Old_Fogie, blackbox [20:39] wm :) [20:39] gotcha [20:39] blackorca, are the sound modules loaded now? [20:39] snd_emu10k1 140352 3 [20:40] Cann0n: http://pastebin.ca/1326754 [20:40] ^^ [20:40] thats my rectified backup of the gentoo version [20:41] observe that, as to comments say, you need to ajust for networking [20:41] hmm [20:41] calling /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 stop and start might be enough [20:41] Old_Fogie, so yes ^ [20:41] unless you use wicd, in which case it is less of a problem [20:41] It appears I have no sound in root either, so I don't believe it's a group issue [20:41] yeah [20:42] do you mount any network shares at all? [20:44] blackorca, what kernel is that? [20:44] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [20:44] I appreciate everyone's help; if you guys can't figure it out, no big problem, I'll just have to spend time on it and see what I come up with [20:44] Old_Fogie, the stock one with slack 12.2.. lemme see... 2.6.27.7-smp [20:44] blackorca, nah thats fine [20:46] does anyone know where i can find info about how much the sparse_super option of mkfs.ext3 might save me on a 60GB drive? [20:46] macavity: you will have to paste that link again in a second... i have segmentation faults everywhere [20:46] i cant even open vim [20:47] Old_Fogie, I did dmesg | grep -i emu10k1 and it comes up with this: [20:47] blackorca, wow this gets an awefule lot of hits "sb live linux sound just stops working" [20:47] EMU10K1_Audigy 0000:00:09.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 [20:47] Cann0n (n=jack@75-107-34-104.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:47] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-132.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.217.16) joined ##slackware. [20:47] Old_Fogie, are they mostly all slackware-specific? [20:48] blackorca, no but none the less tis interestings [20:48] blackorca, you did run 'alsaconf' as root, then alsamixer' as root tweak the settings, and then ran 'alsactl store' right? [20:48] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:48] Old_Fogie, do you know what files alsaconf changes? [20:49] alsaconf? wasnt that deprecated? [20:49] I just did my first shell-script I think. Don't know if it was wise though :D [20:49] nachox, nope [20:49] nachox, it was in debian, but they brought it back [20:49] what does it configure? [20:50] nice! good night [20:50] blackorca, that's what sets up the system to use the card and not hope for udev and alsa to 'figure things out on their own' [20:50] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:51] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-132.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] again, at work am i [20:52] Old_Fogie, I ran alsaconf and still no sound unfortunately [20:52] Action: dtanner pokes his udev 90-local.rules in the eye and it worked ! [20:52] blackorca, http://slackwiki.org/ALSA [20:53] Old_Fogie, although maybe the changes it made in /etc/modprobe.d/sound will allow it to work from now on after I reboot? [20:53] ALSA? I 'ardly know her! [20:53] blackorca, which is udev right :) [20:54] anybody used a LinkSys WRT150N [20:54] ? [20:54] blackorca, to play it "sure" i'd reboot, tho, if you were at console, out of x, and issued /etc/rc.d/rc.udev reload and /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa restart I ?believe? it'd take effect, I'm 89?%? sure :) [20:54] U-Neeks (i=555@201-24-52-221.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Old_Fogie, already tried that unfortunately :( [20:55] blackorca, there are sound files in /usr/share/sounds ; try aplay somefile.ogg there and see what happens on the command line, not using an xapp and see [20:55] 'aplay' is alsa player [20:55] nope, nothing [20:55] blackorca, from the wiki "There is one tip for the Sound Baster 5.1 cards, sometimes you want to MUTE digital out so you can hear on all the speakers, in alsamixer you just press M on the Analog/Digital Output Jack item." [20:56] already muted [20:56] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:56] oh [20:56] it's a weird issue [20:57] Old_Fogie: hows things? [20:57] I wonder what /etc/asound.conf is supposed to contain? [20:57] it contains: pcm.headset { type bluetooth } ctl.headset { type bluetooth } (on multiple lines of course) [20:58] although it doesn't play through my speakers either, so it wouldn't be anything headphone specific [20:58] spook, fine thanks and you [20:58] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Old_Fogie, holy crap, now I can hear something, but it's completely static and a VERY faint sound of my music playing [20:58] /etc/asound.conf? [20:58] you mean asound.state right [20:59] blackorca, probably some midi or some volume slider up that shouldnt be [20:59] blackorca: /etc/asound.conf is a global (all users) version of ~/.asoundrc [20:59] gnubien, maybe he has a ~/.asoundrc file that is borked [21:00] over-riding the /etc/asound.state file [21:00] yea, maybe [21:00] blackorca, ^^ see that [21:00] Is there any way to reset the alsamixer sliders back to their default state without deleting /etc/asound.state and rebooting? [21:00] no such file [21:00] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Action: dtanner passes a fresh Drew Estate natural to Old_Fogie [21:01] blackorca: mv /etc/asound.state /etc/asound.state.orig then rmmod your snd module and modprobe your snd module, that is after you close all sound apps, voip apps and firefox [21:01] Action: Old_Fogie kindly accepts said natural and passes dtanner a fresh cup of fresh ground columbian bean coffee :) [21:02] Action: dtanner nods @ Old_Fogie *puff puff* ... sip sip [21:02] blackorca: cat /proc/asound/modules #tells you your snd modules loaded [21:03] Old_Fogie: thats what she said [21:03] heh [21:03] blackorca: mv /etc/asound.conf /etc/asound.conf.orig #if you dont need it or it is causing problems [21:04] Old_Fogie: i'm at work and my brain is melting out of my ears [21:04] gnubien, I can't rmmod snd_emu10k1, as it says it's currently in use [21:05] I only have xchat, alsamixer & xterm open at the moment [21:05] spook, many hours to go? [21:05] night guys [21:05] closed alsamixer and it worked, haha :) [21:05] blackorca, alsamiser will do it [21:05] blackorca: xchat uses sound iirc [21:06] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.48.119) left irc: "Leaving" [21:06] alright, now it works again, lemme see what's up [21:07] Old_Fogie: 2 till lunch [21:08] so basically what I did (I think): removed /etc/asound.state and then unloaded/reloaded snd_emu10k1, and upped the master/pcm & wave surround (this controls the volume for my headphones for whatever reason) [21:08] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] I assume it was simply borked alsamixer settings ? [21:09] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:09] blackorca, dunno hard to say. running alsaconf is the first thing i do after install log-in first time, and when upgrading kernels [21:09] Either way, maybe now that I have working settings, maybe it won't happen anymore. I appreciate all the help Old_Fogie and gnubien :D [21:09] well after chmod -x /etc/profile.d/bsd* and chmod -x /etc/cron.daily/slocate :) [21:10] blackorca, yw :) [21:10] Urchlay, if you still have that audio question, my problem is fixed now :) [21:11] bbl [21:11] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:11] i am amazed at how fast the Mesa guys are rockin the boat these days! [21:12] macavity, oh ? [21:12] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] 7.3 has already had over a dozen fixes [21:14] Gallium3D will hit 7.5 [21:14] macavity, ah , have you tried it at all? any better? [21:14] yes [21:14] and yes [21:14] any breakage? [21:14] i get a lot better performance with xf86-video-intel-1.6.1 [21:14] UXA is unbroken now [21:15] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a213-22-123-145.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:15] ooh talk dirty to me! reall! with intel? [21:15] 1.6...you upgraded alot for that then :) [21:15] only XVideo is tollerable.. maybe 75% as fast as the EXA version in the 1.5 line [21:15] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:15] macavity, well how did you get uxa to be default? [21:16] i specified it in xorg.conf :P [21:16] ah ok [21:16] you upgraded what is it now, one lib ? then you can compile that x-driver right? [21:16] i cant recall the name a.t.m [21:16] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [21:16] dri2proto-1.99.3, libdrm-2.4.4, mesa-7.3, xorg-server-1.5.3 and intel 1.6.1 :P [21:16] I had done it, trying to see why ogg video sucks on slack 12.2 [21:17] yea drm [21:17] in that order [21:17] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:17] Patricks build scripts are easily modified to do the task [21:17] libdrm has a real .SlackBuild [21:18] eh, so [21:18] the others have the configure part in a sniplet, so you just do them the old way [21:18] anyone know of a general-purpose solution for spdif/iec458 volume control? [21:18] i still havent played with hal/dbus support in x [21:18] macavity, aha so that's the build order for that then [21:18] yup [21:19] im on 12.1, so i couldnt go any higher [21:19] same here 12.2 is no go for most of my boxes [21:19] i would have liked to test out xorg 1.6.0-rc2 [21:19] mplayer's smart enough to do it in software, but standard apps that rely on the alsa mixer for volume control, can't do jack [21:19] but that requres a shit load of updates [21:19] macavity, only the acer netbooks are 12.2 all else == 12.1 [21:20] some of my boxes dont get past seeing floppy on boot and just hang [21:20] on 12.2 [21:20] e.g. "xmame.x11 -audiodevice iec958 pacman" plays fine, but there's no way to adjust the volume [21:20] For the record, I fixed my font issues in my chroot environment (the ones that were keeping X from starting.) I just ran some of the scripts from the 'setup' portion of pkgtool inside the chroot, and now it works [21:20] nathanbw, :) [21:20] i SO cant wait for the Gallium3D port of the intel drivers [21:21] its probably going to be unstable as hell for a while [21:21] but FAST :-) [21:21] Old_Fogie, what had happened previously that I didn't understand is you have to run mkfontscale and mkfontdir /in/ the font directory. I was just running them from home, and it wasn't working [21:21] macavity: so it crashes even faster? ;) [21:21] BP{k}: thats right baby! [21:22] The next hurdle seems to be a d-bus issue that is preventing the gimp from starting.... [21:22] BP{k}: it will blow my monitor out, right in my face... and im gonna LUUUUV it! :P [21:22] nathanbw, yes it might have worked if you had installed fonts in your home with kde's font manager, but that's hackish. best is to install to system, then run those scrips as you did. any time you add fonts, or remove you should run them [21:22] i grabbed rworkman's gimp pkg. very nice.:) [21:23] nobody? [21:23] i grabbed rworkman's gimp pkg. very nice.:) <---- Does that read funny to anyone else :) [21:23] Old_Fogie, haha [21:23] LOL [21:23] Old_Fogie: why do i get the idea that you are full of dirty thoughts today :P [21:23] I'm sure his wife wouldn't like you calling it 'a gimp pkg' :) [21:23] Old_Fogie: lmao [21:24] macavity, why should today be any diff than any other day :) [21:24] good point.. good point :P [21:24] Nick change: MIOW -> miow [21:24] i gotta be more careful i see :( [21:24] hahaah Rat409 [21:24] Nick change: miow -> MIOW [21:24] Rat409: no.. you will just provide good noobfarm.org material :P [21:24] Hmm, just found a tutorial which recommends binding the /var/lib/dbus directory with the one in the chroot. This keeps getting hairier :-p [21:25] what are you hacking on there again? [21:25] trying to run slackware from a bluewhite chroot? [21:25] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:25] gimp v 2.6.4 [21:26] hd (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [21:26] you know there's a ton of shit in gimp that get's linkd for no reason [21:26] that app pisses me off [21:26] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [21:26] just "there is a ton of shit in gimp" [21:26] ...not as much as digikam tho [21:26] yuh [21:26] krita is getting better and better... fortunately [21:27] digikam & kipplugins... <--- worst software building ever [21:27] macavity, No. Just trying to get a 12.2 chroot running in a 12.2 host. (same version to make it hopefully as smooth as possible.) The end result is to be able to hack on KDE4 without having to use VirtualBox. I'd like to avoid installing it in my host environment as I need it for school and don't want to mess it up :-) [21:27] the breakage on them two apps and their libs is just beyond me [21:27] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.217.16) left irc: No route to host [21:27] nathanbw: ok [21:27] nathanbw: good luck [21:28] Rat409, I love how gimp wants "gegl" ...for movie stuff...but gimp ships with support for ffmpeg anyhow...wtf! [21:28] hba (n=hba@189.188.153.150) joined ##slackware. [21:28] Rat409, and gegl is supposed to be the hook to ffmpeg [21:28] it's like a monkey with a square peg and round hole I tell you [21:28] lol yup go figure [21:28] I have a feeling I'm going to have issues with my chroot user and host user's uid and name being the same. So when I bind the host's /tmp to the chroot's kde-$USER is going to blow up [21:28] superflourys dependencies [21:28] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.217.16) joined ##slackware. [21:28] wellcome to the gnome world [21:29] macavity, yes I love how you have to have "webkit" for help...yet the windows version of gimp...you click help..you go to their homepage [21:29] macavity: both books seem pretty popular :) except ulrich drepper one :] [21:29] But apparently at least someone has had success with it: http://dedors.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/run-kde4-in-chroot-gentoodebianubuntu-howto/ [21:29] MIOW (n=MIOW@87.237.114.21) left ##slackware ("http://6r-clan.org"). [21:30] lw0x15: the paper by drepper is quite hariry.. and it doesnt directly teach you anything [21:30] lw0x15: you read it and draw your own conclusions... eg, you get smart from it, rather than gain an ability from it [21:30] Nick change: marco_ -> mooglenorph [21:32] Rat409, "--without-dbus build without D-Bus support" [21:32] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Rat409, but you do need dbus-glib onboard tho if you want the dbus [21:32] Rat409, not sure why dbus is needed to be honest tho [21:33] well, I think I'm going to go to bed... [21:33] but first, how would I use this slackbuild thing? [21:33] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/aircrack-ng/ [21:33] do I just download the tarball then run the script? do I need the source files before-hand? [21:33] the-zandi: see a link at the top of the page that says "HOWTO"? [21:34] directions are there, and pretty easy to follow [21:35] the-zandi: you just pretty much covered everything you need to do in your last sentence. :) [21:35] just the order an locations need to be obtained from the howto [21:36] ok. and then what it does is creat a tarball I can install using installpkg? [21:36] yes [21:36] it dumps it in /tmp [21:36] sounds pretty slick [21:36] ty I try [21:36] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:36] its is "teh shaith" :P [21:36] you on here often macavity? [21:37] why you gonna buy him a drink :) [21:37] Action: Old_Fogie runs [21:37] i think i live here :P [21:37] the-zandi, he's our resident free software advocate [21:37] ha [21:37] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] well, I might just end up hanging around here a bit too. [21:37] Old_Fogie: Free Software please :P [21:37] i'm becoming an irc junkie [21:37] macavity, :) [21:38] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] the-zandi: IRC is what effectively prohibits me from gettin any usefull work done.. just so you know :P [21:38] yeah, tell me about it [21:38] I should have been studying for my calc test tomorrow, but instead I've been on IRC and getting the laptop problem fixed [21:38] true, but you learn a ton of stuff (at least I do) here [21:38] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:39] anyways, my schedule lines up pretty neat tomorrow [21:39] macavity: is it worth reading the 1st edition ? [21:40] i can study for the calc test in the morning, take it, then I have a bunch of free time [21:40] I found source code for a neat linux keylogger, I think I'l figure out how it works and see if I can reqrite it [21:40] lw0x15: of what? [21:40] Action: Old_Fogie hates apps that break on distcc j10 [21:40] TCPL [21:40] no [21:41] it covers an out-of-date version of C [21:41] ah alright [21:41] you wont find much code in that standard in the wild any more [21:41] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-132.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:42] the-zandi: it sounds like you are fast tracking for a ticket to jail ;-) [21:42] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [21:43] agreed...get used to saying "I haz soap" [21:44] So for any of you out there that like Blank and Tans, I just starting mixing Guinness with Tetley's. [21:45] Tetley's *tea*? [21:45] Old_Fogie: Haha, I'm sure the "cat" leet speak will scare the bum rapist away. /FAIL [21:45] agentc0re, hahahah [21:45] stitchman: no, it's a ale. [21:46] Old_Fogie: :D [21:46] agentc0re, more like they'll ask him to purr [21:46] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.156) left irc: ":wq" [21:46] Old_Fogie: And cuddle. [21:46] hahah [21:46] PURR BITCH PURR! [21:46] next time, put more koolaid lipstick on! [21:46] thats what she said? [21:46] Ya, snuggle on my lap. [21:47] It brings coughing up hairballs to a whole new meaning. [21:48] oh my that's a vivid one there :) [21:48] Nick change: twolf_ -> twolf [21:49] Heehaa haa, a sense of humer, we have. [21:49] interesting...that build that failed was with scons...it saw my distcc masquerading...hrmm..I guess I have to adust in script for that, interesting..didnt think it'd auto see that [21:49] s/humer/humor [21:49] oh thought you meant 'hummer' [21:49] :) [21:50] Old_Fogie: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/log/ <- mazing how many patches that say -big/+small [21:50] Old_Fogie: the promise that GEM (and soon Gallium3D) will provide smaller and simpler drivers appears to hold true [21:52] just because gl sucks so poorly atm for intel :> [21:52] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] er, works so poorly* [21:52] macavity, yea that's a lot [21:53] thrice`, so true [21:53] phoronix has some good charts to prove it too. [21:54] they have endeed been regressing over a couple of years [21:54] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:54] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] but from what Zack Rusin says on his blog, all that is about to end [21:55] i'm all for using OSS drivers, but when they suck so much ... :) [21:55] U-Neeks (i=555@201-24-52-221.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [21:55] yup, and considering they dont have much perf to start with, that's not good [21:55] thrice`, tell me about it, r300 free is bad, and now ati binaries dont build either [21:55] I think newer mesa will be good, indeed [21:55] U-Neeks (i=555@201-24-52-221.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:56] them boxes are all windows now w/nomachine-nx [21:56] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:57] ati 9700 series (r300) I'm referring too. ironically, the 9600xt (r350) does still work with binary blobs, but free driver now on 12.2 doesnt melt the box at run level 3,just on logot, or if using flash [21:57] wow... i think Patricks build script for Mesa is wrong [21:57] -O2 is not the thing to do for Mesa.. only -O [21:57] the code has comments all over about it [21:58] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:58] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.197.20) joined ##slackware. [21:58] gcc can get a little too clever at times :P [21:58] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [21:58] Action: macavity commences seccond run on mesa package [21:58] What she said, that is. [21:58] macavity, well I rebuilt stock mesa here, to see gnome, using his scripts, and I didnt notice anything odd/spammed when it built, I do have th elogs here tho [21:59] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [21:59] I had to rebuild it so it works with gconf, so I can tell gconf to toggle on metacity as compositing manager [21:59] it wont bitch at you over it [21:59] ah I see [22:00] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve4-0-0-cust53.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:00] just jack out the -O2 of Pats script [22:00] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [22:00] low and behold.. without tweaks it only calls "-O" on its own accord [22:01] ... as the comments in the code suggests [22:01] hmm, wonder why they dont want compiler opts [22:01] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:02] -O is "safe optimizations" [22:02] but it makes sense for mesa, as it does some pretty timing dependant stuff [22:03] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:03] losnthell (n=losnhell@ip68-10-157-152.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] I really dislike ubuntu [22:03] really,we all love it [22:03] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:03] how's hell? [22:03] lol [22:04] hello Old_Fogie [22:04] mrselfpwn, hiya :) [22:04] I got stuck trying to help a co-worker setup a mobile broadband USB card on ubuntu and it just doesn't make sense. [22:05] and the ubuntu group is worthless, they didn't even try to help [22:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] it worked perfectly in slackware, but ubuntu has it's quirks [22:06] 'quirks' hmm, I have more colorful words, but I told my Priest I'd keep them to myself [22:06] why would the kernel or hal not setup a USB device used dev/usb? [22:07] losnthell, dont know what ubunut does, look at debian 'm-a prepare' and 'm-a update' commands and go from there [22:08] or put slack on and be done with it ! :) [22:08] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:08] I am very tempted to replace it with slack or even the evil empire system [22:09] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-178-233.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:09] SupernalTriad (n=Supernal@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:09] SupernalTriad kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Douchebag [22:09] git em' slackboy [22:09] old_fogie: are the m-a commands referenced by 'm-a'? [22:09] losnthell, it's module-assistant, but yes you can just run "m-a update" at cli [22:10] lol... mesa completely disregards CFLAGS, period [22:10] losnthell, you see debian thought it was confusing to users to let them run depmod :) [22:10] does not exist in ubuntu [22:10] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:10] losnthell, you dont have build essentials then [22:10] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:11] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:11] old_fogie, looking for it now [22:11] remember your on a system that thinks your an idiot, you dont deserve source, headers, libs, devs, man pages, info pages, or /usr/doc...don't you get it! :) [22:11] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:11] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] or dev binaries (add to list) [22:11] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:12] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [22:12] they only ship a fraction of packages, and still can't manage to release a new veresion :> [22:13] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] losnthell, pm? [22:13] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:13] Action: hba has a cron job that execute 'rm -rf /usr/doc && rm -rf /usr/man' every night :) [22:13] Action: lw0x15 yawns [22:14] old_fogie: I have build essentials, but could not locate dev binaries [22:15] losnthell, I sent you an apt-get list in pm [22:16] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] old_folgie: thank you for the message I am inputing the list now [22:18] losnthell, ps.. you can type "old" then hit tab and it complete my name :) [22:18] Old_Fogie: When I do that it says Old_Fart... ;) [22:18] FriedBob, hahaha [22:19] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:19] jinro (n=kwj@c-76-27-88-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] U-Neeks (i=555@201-24-52-221.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [22:20] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:21] Old_Fogie: ok, the intel driver benetifts -O -march=prescott [22:21] about 5 FPS in glxgears [22:21] and XVideo resize is a little more smooth [22:21] macavity, now the drivers I thought were not supposed to have flags passed that part I knew, but that's interestings [22:21] macavity, and that's just from rebuild mesa no 02? [22:22] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:22] no, mesa disregards the flags alltogether, so Pat can howl and cry at them all he wants [22:22] but the intel driver picks them up [22:23] gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Cygwin) <--- Apparently FF dev's use windows to sign linux tarballs :) [22:23] macavity, ah ok [22:23] Lorinal1233 (n=peter@cpe-76-171-209-202.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] bleah, found what I was lookin for. ALSA supports a "softvol" plugin [22:23] time to see how xorg-server likes -march=prescott [22:24] http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol [22:24] firefox 3.0.6 is out on mozilla's ftp [22:24] Rat409, affirmative [22:24] Old_Fogie, I have installed he specified packages and run the m-a commands [22:25] pm not here :) [22:28] http://icculus.org/ut3 HAHA great error messages. 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[22:55] wow it is quiet [22:56] it's nap time damn it [22:56] lol [22:56] i wish, i had early morning classes before school, and i have a night course starting at 7 =/ [22:57] dngr (n=dngr@pcd648224.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:59] Action: Frullet wants nap time [22:59] Action: panzer smacks nullboy for not being quiet [22:59] Action: macavity farts enourmusly loudly in his sleep [23:00] Action: jkwood sets macavity on fire [23:01] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:02] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) joined ##slackware. [23:03] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:03] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:05] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] nigth night all [23:05] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:05] losnthell (n=losnhell@ip68-10-157-152.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:05] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:09] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [23:10] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) left irc: "leaving" [23:11] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:15] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:15] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:17] night all, slackers:) [23:17] night, hitest [23:18] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] nite nathanbw:) [23:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] user9835 (n=user7829@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:20] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:20] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:21] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:22] ... [23:23] aRts is the thing i will absolytely miss the least when i move to KDE4 [23:23] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] anybody here have a eeepc? [23:25] macavity: Phonon loves you and wants you to be happy. [23:26] skibur: i do [23:27] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:27] does it have moving parts? [23:27] is it all embedded? [23:28] Riley (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] skibur: mine doesn't ..if you mean in terms of a hdd thing .. [23:29] but i'd call the lead a movin part [23:29] and heys and all that .. [23:29] Channel flood from errordeveloper -- kicking [23:29] nokia n800 doesn't have that kindda sht [23:29] more robust ;) [23:29] errordeveloper kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:29] lol [23:30] ? [23:30] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:30] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:30] He just can't win. [23:30] ;-D [23:30] skibur, it has a very small low rpm fan inside it, you can't hear it [23:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:30] user9835 (n=user7829@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:30] looking for a eeepc for slackware [23:30] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] skibur: they have those in stores. Have you looked there? [23:32] panzer: aye, had a couple of stops [23:33] I haven't seen them where I'm from [23:33] welcome back [23:33] looking online [23:33] i think the one i got (the first generation with 4g ssd) [23:33] is kewl for slack install [23:33] but i'm sure all of them will be ok [23:33] Channel flood from errordeveloper -- kicking [23:33] but i see that msi wind and pc-world version [23:33] errordeveloper kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:33] it was a long walk for me [23:33] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [23:34] well, suspend + my laptop set up = epic fails [23:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:35] slow down there errordeveloper [23:35] just stop pressing enter so much [23:35] is OK if you'd said all that on one line... [23:35] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:37] so trying to overburn 90 minutes of audio onto an 80 minute CD. Is there even a slight chance this might work, or is it a recipe for fail? [23:37] probably fail [23:38] fail [23:38] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:38] It's a tarp! [23:38] you can do a few secs but ouch [23:39] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] well, got plenty of blanks, if this fails I guess I'll have learned not to try it again, at the cost of a dime or whatever they cost these days [23:40] stupid car CD player can't play data CDs full of mp3 [23:40] lol [23:40] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-96-252-132-221.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] roommate just bought a new car, the crappy factory stereo can play mp3 cds just fine [23:41] get better car then? Mercedes CLK GTR perhaps? [23:41] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:41] go to walmart and get that $100 stereo that plays SD cards, usb drives, and mp3 cds [23:41] heh. My car cost me $300, if I put a $100 stereo in it I've increased the value by 25% [23:42] I love my $100 walmart stereo that blah blah blah. [23:42] Urchlay: my new car does that too <3 [23:43] well this is a 2000 saturn, I got a pretty good deal all things considered [23:43] true. [23:43] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [23:43] jkwood: you know what im talking about? [23:43] meanwhile i am a poor grad student with lots of payments eating my stipend monies =P [23:44] couldn't imagine driving a car I didn't own outright [23:44] Cann0n: Yep. I've bought several of those. [23:44] and yeah, the 90-minute burn on an 80-minute disc did fail, halfway thru the last track :) [23:44] haha [23:45] you can usually push them a few minutes, but 10 is recipe for fail [23:45] its so cold here in FL [23:45] dammit, I don't want two 45-minute CDs [23:45] i'd be confident at 92-93 minutes, maaaaaybe push for 94-5 [23:45] teens (F) at night... 30s in day [23:45] 95 minutes? [23:45] or rather 85 [23:45] yeah [23:45] that's about how far it got before it croaked [23:45] mhmm [23:46] Cann0n: I read that as Female teens at night. [23:46] lol [23:46] now watch me wreck the damn car while trying to change CDs [23:46] i should check if my new usb2.0 burner works under slackware [23:46] dude, 18F is too cold for Florida [23:46] hackedhead: it should. mine did [23:46] my internal burners have not burned anyhting properly under linux since 11.0, and even that was tenuous [23:47] eh? weird [23:47] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.81.4.202) joined ##slackware. [23:47] i am hoping that is just because they are ooooold [23:47] jkwood: my crops are dead now.... they said the cold was over 2 weeks ago [23:47] hackedhead: no problem with many different burners here [23:47] hackedhead: really? what make? [23:47] mine work fine, except one can't burn DVDs worth a damn (50% coaster rate) [23:47] ive never had a problem with burning cds/dvds [23:48] danc3: where would i find that? [23:48] short of opening the case [23:48] but I think that's to do with the fact that it's full of cigarette smoke particles [23:48] hackedhead: find what? [23:48] i don't recall exactly what models they are anymore [23:48] the model info [23:48] rather.... that should have been @ Cann0n [23:48] sorry =P [23:49] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:50] eh, i forgot how to check burners [23:51] shouldn't matter what models they are. They all work. [23:51] 'cept for mine =P [23:51] sometimes it does danc3 [23:51] well, that should be telling you something [23:51] what's wierd is, neither one work anymore [23:51] a regular CDRW and a DVDRW [23:51] hackedhead: what app are you using to burn? [23:52] danc3: i've tried 'em all [23:52] lately wodim [23:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [23:52] from cdrkit [23:52] k3b ftw [23:52] k3b works the best, IMHO. Try it, and be sure to set the permissions properly (it's automagic, under one of the settings menus). [23:53] though it is bloat, it is one of 2 apps i use that i label bloatod [23:53] does k3b have its own actual burning code, or is it just a frontend for cdrecord? [23:53] dunno [23:53] its a frontend [23:53] and i've tried cdrecord [23:53] aha. here they are in dmesg [23:53] hdc: DVD-RW IDE1008, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive [23:53] hdd: HL-DT-ST GCE-8160B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive [23:53] actually a better question, are there any GUI cd burning apps that aren't frontends for cdrecord? [23:53] ah [23:53] no. [23:54] =P [23:54] DOH! i can never remember that fscking command [23:54] well, some can also be used as a frontend to other things [23:54] none I know of, but I don't really keep up with the kde/gnome/etc worlds [23:54] actually, most can [23:54] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:54] other things... only other things I know of are growisofs for dvds and cdrdao [23:55] well, wodim, as i mentioned [23:55] and I think someone's doing a complete rewrite of cdrecord for licensing reasons [23:55] cdrkit was a debian fork of cdrecord due to license and other issues [23:55] Urchlay: yes. =P [23:55] cdrkit is comprised of wodim for writing and readom (i think?) for ripping [23:55] danc3: what wm do you use? [23:56] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] ah, cdrkit/wodim is what I was thinking of [23:56] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:56] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:56] hopefully they got rid of all the "linux sucks, use solaris" spam [23:56] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.81.4.202) left irc: Client Quit [23:56] Cann0n: xfce [23:56] lol [23:57] lol [23:57] ah ok. jw [23:57] lol [23:57] what does k3b depend on? [23:58] a lot [23:58] ... all of kde, with my luck... [23:58] booooooo [23:58] close to that, probably [23:58] lol but it comes with slack so hunting deps isnt an issue [23:58] bleh. i am not installing all of kde for that [23:58] why not? is disk space an issue? [23:59] I have to say, the new names (wodim, icedax) are pretty lame [23:59] that's bloat-xtreme [23:59] lol. i always do full install [23:59] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:59] i just don't like kde [23:59] hackedhead: is disk space an issue? [23:59] it makes me feel dirty [23:59] nor do i [23:59] but i use k3b and amarok [23:59] I despise KDE myself, but I love k3b [23:59] I don't ever use any other kde app [23:59] same here gsb/xfce4/wm's [23:59] but I don't care if it's installed. HD's are huge and I don't care. [00:00] amarok and k3bare the only apps i use... its worth /KDE [00:00] --- Wed Feb 4 2009