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He noticed me watching, looked at me, and starts meowing in an annoyed tone of voice [01:15] MrZhi (~zhizaki@24-155-241-242.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Urchlay, was just checkin' pouet.net site and was messin' with this game for the Atari XE http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53808 [01:17] sorta circuit-type puzzle [01:18] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3814, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-09 17:48:42 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [01:18] slackwarebob (~bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:18] MLanden: hm, nice. Eh, I can't quite figure out how to finish a level though... [01:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:19] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:19] Urchlay, still figurin' the puzzle out myself..:D [01:20] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-162.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:21] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:22] lol...Urchlay,here's what the games based on http://www.kongregate.com/games/ahnt/loops-of-zen [01:23] s/games/game's [01:23] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:23] right [01:24] managed to make it to level 3 [01:24] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:26] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:28] usus12jari (~ashe@114.56.110.160) joined ##slackware. [01:31] heya MLanden, how are you? [01:32] great thanks fire|bird and yourself? [01:32] MLanden: doing great, thanks. I'm waiting for 16.8G of mail to make it's way to my backup drive, it's taking forever. :/ [01:33] fire|bird, how you transferring? cable? [01:33] MLanden: from the desktop via usb to an external drive. :P [01:34] USB 1.1? [01:34] no, USB 2.x [01:34] hrm.... [01:35] fire|bird, how long have you been workin' on it? [01:35] slackwarebob (~bobby@adsl-76-249-233-171.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] meanin' average transfer speed [01:35] MLanden: far longer than I expected. It's at 12.8G of 16.8G, it's been a number of hours. [01:37] chetnick (~Safe_Hex@ip68-13-222-22.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:37] fire|bird, what format is the external drive set to? [01:37] MLanden: ext3 [01:40] fire|bird, yeah,it should be takin' that much time...is there anything doin' an error check while it sends the data? [01:41] MLanden: I've done this before and it's never been this long. I'm not sure about the error check part. :/ [01:43] fire|bird, dunno..unless the cable a/o the hard drive your transferring from are on their last leg [01:43] maybe it's the cable or drive itself [01:44] MLanden: eek, I hope not. [01:44] hopefully not [01:45] MLanden: The drive in the external enclosure is about 6 years old though. [01:45] alisonken1home (~alisonken@71.104.224.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:45] alisonken1home (~alisonken@71.104.224.127) joined ##slackware. [01:46] might be time for a new enclosure? [01:46] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-151-41-43.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [01:47] fire|bird, when was the last time you wiped it? [01:47] enclosure is newer then the drive. I bought the enclosure sperately, the drive itself is the 120G that came with the pc when I got it in 2004, then I upgraded the desktop to a 640G drive and made the 120G drive a backup drive in this enclosure. [01:48] MLanden: few weeks ago. [01:48] fire|bird, was it quick? [01:48] no other USB related issues, any perphireals or things of that nature? [01:49] MLanden: not really, no. I don't recall exactly, but I know it wasn't quick. [01:49] MrZhi: nope [01:49] do any regular backups to the drive? [01:51] have you noticed any weird noises from the drive, like maybe the dying screams of an overworked hamster? [01:51] fire|bird, feel for ya...had a drive when I ran DBAN on it....barely went passed 25 mb/s on a 30gb drive [01:51] MrZhi: quite regularly yes. [01:51] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:51] lol....hamster [01:52] Urchlay: nope, no odd noises at all. [01:52] minike (~mapbc000@dsl4E5CF253.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [01:52] Hi everyone I would like to request assistance from your webpage országotokba we find the views and give more to others as well as likely that I will be banned from getting a link in röktön http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/ [01:53] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] fire|bird, is the wallwot to that external drive sound? [01:53] yeah [01:53] bbiab [01:54] s/wallwot/wallwort [01:54] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [01:55] Nick change: ThomasLocke_ -> ThomasLocke [01:56] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:56] minike (mapbc000@dsl4E5CF253.pool.t-online.hu) left ##slackware. [01:57] alreadygone_ (~silas@59.103.207.184) joined ##slackware. [01:58] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Bored by the chore of saving face. 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[02:51] ok, easy way is in console "cp .vimrc /path/to/flashdrive" [02:52] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:52] i usually tar.gz them cause my usb's are fat32 and it messes up permissions and everything [02:54] alisonken1noc: thanks, it works. [02:58] alreadygone_ (~silas@59.103.207.184) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:00] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/29/tarring-up-just-the-dotfiles/ > Axius [03:04] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-62.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:04] I want to copy a directory to the flash drive and I get this :cp: omitting directory `conf/' / What should I to copy that dir? [03:04] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-146.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:05] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:08] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:09] Axius, cp -R [03:10] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [03:10] slava_dp: thank you! [03:10] welcome :) [03:11] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-141.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:18] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Baisuoklis (~Baisuokis@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [03:23] hey everyone [03:24] probably not the right place to ask this question, but ppl here are more knowledgeable. How can i prove that some for e.g. picture resides on a server and not on the local mashine? [03:25] i have found indecent pictures on one of kompanies websites and i want to expose it, how should i do it [03:26] err... not so much indecent ar insulting [03:26] what do you mean exists on their server [03:27] are you talking about defamation? sounds like you need a lawyer [03:27] will making a video demonstrating that it is on there suffice or should i prove i really accessing their website with something like tracerout or dns lookup [03:27] well situation is this [03:28] there is a lottery website [03:28] ant they post their winners on it [03:28] but i found out that some of pictures that depict ppl that win [03:28] yea, most lotteries have rules that say they can use your picture if you collect winnings [03:29] those pictures have quite insulting filenames [03:29] i want to expose that [03:29] sounds like no big deal [03:29] since talking to them is useless [03:30] no big deal unless u're the one being insulted [03:30] no big deal meaning a court will do nothing cause it is not hurting your reputation [03:31] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [03:31] i want to make screen capture proving that they indeed have pictures of ppl wich are insulting and gereraly is not acceptible on their website [03:31] will traceroute, ping to webadress suffice [03:32] to prove i'm accesing their wesite [03:32] ^suffice [03:32] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:32] i'm not going to sue them [03:33] i want them to be ashamed, and make public apology [03:33] like make a video, posti it around the net to the likes of youtube [03:37] why do you need a video or screenshot? just use your words and make a link to the offending jpg and people that care can click it can see it [03:38] Axius (~fd@92.84.12.95) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:39] the thing is that as soon as this goes public, they'll probably try to remove offending pictures [03:39] i want a permanent poof of some sort it at least 'was' there [03:41] isnt that what you want? It sounded like you wanted to them to remove the offending pictures [03:41] tank-man: so that ppl still could see what kind of company they are giving they money when thay buy lottery tickets [03:42] i want, but i also want then to make a public apology, not just quietly remove pic's [03:43] because that kind of behaviour from a company like this is unacceptable [03:43] damn, my english sucks :/ [03:53] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [03:54] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.14.156) joined ##slackware. [03:57] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-141.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:59] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.14.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:01] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-233-191.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:01] Baisuoklis, what relation does all this have to Slackware? [04:03] slava_dp: none, but i'm sure ppl here are smarter than in general chat channels [04:03] thats why i asked [04:09] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [04:13] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:15] seb6896 (~seb@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:19] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:20] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [04:20] sirslacker (1001@s0378.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Baisuoklis, "smarter than other people in general" usually hang out in ##slackware-offtopic [04:25] after a lot of experimentation i have decided on -march=i686 -mtune=core2 -Os -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer [04:27] Delahunt: :) [04:27] lets see [04:28] not much ppl in there :) [04:28] Delahunt, how's the netbook comin' along? [04:30] so far so good [04:30] the biggest and most important lesson was what i need and don't need to be happy on it [04:30] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@207.81.93.133) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:31] good to hear [04:31] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/linux/asus/asus.html [04:31] for $170 you can't beat it with a stick 8-) [04:33] true [04:34] and it's nice being able to walk around the house with skype, pidgin, xchat, and audacious going [04:34] with ~/tmp/portable mounted over sshfs (for now since disk size is small) lol [04:36] reminds me of K.Mandla's blog http://kmandla.wordpress.com/ on getting a lot with little space [04:36] i got tmpfs working on it too, with 2gb ram it helps spare the hard drive a bit. so far this thing has been up for 2 days and is only eating 339mb ram [04:36] hm. 4 most important questions for you... how much does it weigh, how long do the batteries last, what size is the screen, and what's the resolution? [04:37] weight is like only 2lb and i never cared about weight so much [04:37] only 339MB? you must not run firefox on it :) [04:37] battery life is 4 hours (if not playing music) [04:37] and i DO run firefox on it [04:37] total used free shared buffers cached [04:37] Mem: 2017 786 1231 0 87 447 [04:37] -/+ buffers/cache: 251 1765 [04:37] Channel flood from Delahunt -- kicking [04:37] Swap: 243 0 243 [04:37] Delahunt kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:37] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:37] I care about weight... no matter how I try to force myself, I won't carry around anything heavy for very long.. [04:38] sorry thought i was in a different channel for a second [04:38] ah xfce system load plugin must subtract cache [04:39] screen is 8.9" 1024x680 i think (hold on) [04:39] 1024x600 [04:39] could probably deal with that, the pixels are small but not microscopic, right? [04:39] i bumped all fonts to 10 point [04:39] yeah pixels are at atomic level 8-( [04:40] part of it is making all applications use the same 3 fonts [04:40] that helped so much [04:40] on a little machine like that I'd be using console apps as much as possible (in an xterm or maybe rxvt, so I could run gui apps if need be) [04:40] yeah i am only using specific applications [04:40] e.g. mocp or mpd/mpc for music playing, instead of audacious [04:41] i am NOT using flash with firefox though, fwiw [04:41] hey it's not that small a system, audacious works fine here [04:42] irssi instead of xchat... though I haven't really compared the two, irssi's got a perl interpreter built in, so it might use more RAM than I think [04:42] xchat is fine here [04:42] actually I prefer irssi anyway, I'd run it even if it ate more memory [04:42] Breech_ (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:42] seb6896 (~seb@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [04:42] yeah preference becomes ingrained 8-) [04:43] yah. I use vim to edit *everything*, even textareas in web forms (via firefox mozex plugin) [04:43] got my netbook at mwave.com [04:43] i cant stand vim, i prefer mousepad or nano because i have simple needs [04:44] whereas I feel crippled if I try to use anything like nano, even for simple tasks [04:44] it's all what you're used to [04:44] ah [04:44] yeah user preference is that way 8-) [04:45] it's why there'll never be a winner in the gnome vs. kde vs. xfce vs. regular window managers war [04:45] (and I like it that way) [04:45] who said it was a war? 8-) [04:45] Baisuoklis (~Baisuokis@86.100.65.204) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3725, sources date: 20091205, built on: 2009-12-21 09:01:14 UTC 3725 http://www.kvirc.net/ [04:45] sometimes it looks like a war when people are discussing it :) [04:46] that's because they're not as wise as us two HAHAHA [04:46] or not as old i guess lol how old are you? [04:46] 37 these days [04:46] 32 here [04:47] though if you go by mental age, I'm either 12 or 112, depending on mood [04:47] loll [04:47] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [04:48] $170 for that little thing sounds like a pretty good deal to me [04:48] I suppose there's no room inside for a real hard disk, how big an SSD can you get that'll work in it? [04:48] Delahunt, here's a collection of small fonts that might prove useful http://www.proggyfonts.com/index.php?menu=download [04:48] MLanden, thanks but i think i'm fine with Liberation family 8-) [04:49] Delahunt, cool...good choice [04:49] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.197) joined ##slackware. [04:50] i just wish there was a way to enforce it system-wide on a netbook but oh well too tired to worry about it right now [04:50] got off a week of 12s i'm tired [04:50] er, 7 days in a row, not really "week" [04:50] heh, you could delete all other fonts besides the one(s) you like, and symlink it (them) to the filenames of the font files you deleted [04:51] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.206.13) joined ##slackware. [04:51] yeah but i would imagine that this would cause problems [04:51] maybe if i make the default mapping of "sans" and "serif" point to them .... [04:51] well, you'd want to leave at least one monospaced font [04:52] liberation family has a sans, serif, and mono [04:52] truetype and other variable width fonts behave strangely in xterm and other term emulators [04:52] hey i compiled gcc, automake, autoconf, and cmake. what's next if i'm doing the sort-of-like-LFS recompile of slackware? make? [04:53] sure, make's a good candidate [04:53] they're 3 individual fonts [04:53] eh, you going to do glibc as well? [04:53] where's gllibc again? [04:54] nevermind found it [04:54] (what are you doing, recompiling pat's slackbuilds and upgrading existing packages to your new ones?) [04:54] i'm recompiling all of slackware i686 -mtune=core2 -Os -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer as an experiment [04:54] Morn [04:55] last time I tried that (slackware 9.1 or so), I found out ncurses didn't work too well when optimized too much (can't remember details, they might not apply any more anyway) [04:55] and of course, slackware 10.0 got released like the day after I finished rebuilding 9.1... [04:56] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424730.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:56] -Os is "use all optimizations except for those which make the binary bigger" [04:56] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424730.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:56] it's almost synonymous with -O1 [04:56] (or at least Intel thinks it is) [04:56] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:57] anyways, i'm not forcing the autoconf. if it does not honor the flags, so be iit [04:57] i ran into that problem with pciutils, lspci displayed garbage [04:57] so -Os doesn't have any specific "make it smaller" optimizations that only it uses? [04:57] right, you said that... and I wanted to look into it, curious about what causes that [04:58] nope, but -fomit-frame-pointer is supposed to help a bit with it, but it's a standard "everyone but a few distributions (like Slackware)" option [04:58] gentoo recommends using it, for example [04:59] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] besides which, patrick uses --without-debug a lot (or so it seems) so it's not too far from what patrick seems to intend [04:59] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-87-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:02] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:02] let's see, for me, equivalent cflags would be -mtune=k8 -march=k8 -Os etc. [05:03] Kaapa (~Something@bl7-77-69.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:03] only other thing close would be k8-sse3, but I don't have sse3 extensions [05:04] by the thing with lspci i wasn't talking the options in exported variables [05:04] i'm saying i was using sed on the Makefile and other things, trying to FORCE -Os etc [05:05] this time i'm just going to compile. whether autoconf / scripts honor the variables is up to upstream now [05:05] hmmm, eh, it seems to be accepting my flags without any seddery [05:06] gcc -Os -pipe -march=k8 -mtune=k8 -fPIC -Wall -W -Wno-parentheses -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -c -o setpci.o setpci.c [05:06] and apparently whatever problem you had, doesn't apply to k8 optimizations [05:07] maybe, maybe not [05:07] it could've been my script too [05:08] I just used pat's script, with the "-O2 -fPIC" replaced with "-Os -pipe -march=k8 -mtune=k8 -fPIC" [05:08] Action: Delahunt shrugs [05:08] i'm depending on environment variables [05:09] I was wanting to see if I could figure out what's wrong with lspci and if I could fix it [05:09] i was trying not to have to hack up pat's scripts too much [05:09] it's all good 8-) [05:09] the only thing i don't like about this netbook is how unmanly you have to sit in chairs to get 8.9" on both knees / lap [05:09] just curiousity... [05:09] 8-) [05:10] I'd use a table, or a booth in a restaurant [05:10] yeah [05:10] or lie flat on my back, balance it on my flabby gut [05:10] man 8 degrees Fahrenheit out tonight [05:10] (with windchill) [05:11] assuming it doesn't run hot enough to cook my guts... [05:11] nah it's a cool customer [05:11] the "laptop" I have now isn't recommended for actual lap use [05:11] i can't afford a beer gut, not in the USAF. you get raped by the fitness test for waist size [05:11] ergh, I can't even begin to imagine living like that [05:11] so it's a ... heat-shield-top ? [05:12] (I'd probably be one of the guys who flunks out of basic training anyway) [05:12] what, USAF? [05:12] any branch of the military [05:12] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:12] it becomes a part of you, like any other job [05:12] ergh, maybe that's the problem, I won't let my job get to me... [05:12] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-56-161.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:12] i'm in one of the geekiest jobs in the military, short of PMEL [05:12] US Air Force [05:13] almost as much fun as mine was in the Navy [05:13] i have to be able to count in binary for my job (and hex) [05:13] if "stargate sg-1" was real, I could probably handle being one of the science nerd guys who studies all the futuristic tech... but I think those guys are civilians anyway [05:13] or, well, used to, sort of. we don't do it in practice but we had to in technical training school [05:13] Urchlay, that would be closest to our PMEL guys [05:14] (if you didn't know, the main characters on that show are USAF officers) [05:14] working with millions of volts, megaohms, radio waves, lots of high geekery there [05:14] main characters, yes. but they have a couple of civilians and one alien as main as well [05:14] "precision measurement & evaluation laboratory" [05:14] lol [05:15] can't imagine anyone as snarky as Ben Browder actually making it through boot camp either (not from the stories I've heard from people who have been there) [05:15] you'll be amazed what you can get through when someone's boot is up your butt lol [05:15] and nowhere to run [05:15] except where his boot takes you [05:17] I had a friend who went into the Army and basically got kicked out of boot camp (they let him graduate, then put him on permanent "inactive reserve" status)... and I never thought of him as being much crazier than me [05:17] case in point about PMEL, a friend of mine who is PMEL literally started a conversation one day "you know, electricity starts doing interesting things at above 1GHz" [05:17] true [05:17] vpsr psmysql21013 [05:18] doh! wrong window [05:18] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] odd looking command [05:18] script I have to restart a vguest mysql service [05:19] wait, aren't you sitting in a US Navy NOC? The Navy uses MySQL? I'll remember that next time an Oracle snob won't shut up... [05:19] Urchlay: retired :) [05:19] oh, right [05:19] webhost noc [05:19] usaf uses mysql (granted it's m$sql yuck) [05:20] and yes, the navy uses mysql in projects as well [05:20] the oracle jobs are from contractors IIRC [05:20] m$sql? as in MS SQL server? that's not mysql... [05:20] mYsql not mSql [05:20] roger [05:21] you know, the one that oracle is in the process of buying from Sun [05:21] yeah, "usaf uses mysql (granted it's m$sql yuck)" is confusing... [05:21] but SQL is not authorized as a server on the network so it's on its own mini network (tool accountability software, i.e. TAS) [05:22] gotta love those contractors and their gui tools [05:22] ergh [05:22] i would suggest someone to make a much better SQL based linux tool accountability software might get some good money out of it [05:22] I don't even know what "tool accountability" means in that context [05:23] especially since people may not understand linux enough to screw with it so it may get the mystique NT4 had, "don't change the settings!" [05:23] haha [05:23] fight line: we must account for tools [05:23] fight line, huh? :) [05:23] what, physical ones like hammers & screwdrivers? (does that include weapons and ammo too?) [05:23] i.e. i go check out a headset, books, tools, test equipment, it tracks what i have out, the status of individual tools inside boxes, etc [05:23] i do not work with ammo. with weapons, i do. i'm avionics. [05:23] hm [05:23] i'm 2a3x2 [05:24] i work on the computers that are on the F-16 [05:24] if I had something like that, I'd want to use it for my own vast collection of packratted junk [05:24] fun toys [05:24] oh, neat [05:24] what do you thing of the f22? [05:24] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:24] you think it's fun until you're troubleshooting a capacitive fuel system where + drives pointers and - drives a tape digit readout and you want to slug an engineer [05:25] hah [05:25] on the F-22 i also work on heating cooling and other electro/environmental systems, screw that [05:25] however, I was thinking of 'f16 - fun toys' [05:25] on F-22 i work on half the aircraft at least, if not 75% [05:25] a human brain was only designed capable of learning half of that [05:25] after you're done fixing an f-16, I don't suppose they let you take it out for a spin to make sure it works OK? [05:25] considering how much avionics is computerized nowadays, no wonder [05:26] Urchlay, um hell no [05:26] alisonken1noc, yes [05:26] death by fault cards [05:26] if they did (if they *made* you fly it), you'd be highly motivated to get it working perfectly! [05:26] i'm surprised there isn't a joke out there, "if you get MFL 003 pull out gun and shoot self in head" [05:26] over 122 computers just in cars nowadays. I"ve seen some of the (unclassified) specs on modern aircraft [05:27] "computers" is a very loose term [05:27] digital control units, then [05:27] i.e. there used to be (and some times still is) analog computers for example [05:27] yeah, analog and digital control units, fun fun fun [05:27] I know - we had analog firecontrol computers on my first ship [05:27] :o [05:28] well i worked on an aircraft with analog flight controls for a bit 8-S [05:28] oh well time for bed [05:28] peace out [05:28] blargh [05:28] the fun part is telling an ICman (interior comms) that you can't just swap reference pairs around just because the anemometer on the bridge is going backwards, when the combat comuter is using the same reference [05:28] nite, Delahunt [05:28] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:29] anemometer measure what? (all I can think of is "sea anemone", which can't be right) [05:29] http://www.google.com/search?q=define:anemometer&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 [05:30] beat you to it :) [05:30] ;) [05:30] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-221-57.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] bleah, is 5:30AM and I've done nothing useful (or even useless) all night [05:33] well, you've been here for a while. I'd say that's pretty useless :) [05:33] what d'you call those glands that live under the jawbone, that get infected, swell up, and hurt like hell? adenoids maybe? [05:33] sounds about right [05:34] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [05:34] if I'm gonna get sick, I suppose it's actually better for it to happen on a night when I'm not doing anything important anyway [05:34] but it still sucks [05:34] nope - adenoid is in the back of the nose/throat [05:35] I can't even dose up on nyquil (allergic to the active ingredient) [05:37] Nick change: zecafig -> zecaway [05:37] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:37] zecaway kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [05:37] hahahahaaaaaaaaaa [05:38] lame ass auto crap [05:41] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829] [05:42] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. 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[06:03] hello [06:03] can anyone help me with installation [06:04] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:04] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Client Quit [06:04] hi [06:04] nobby (nobby@59.93.252.86) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:04] nothing like the microwave generation [06:05] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:06] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:10] alisonken1noc, good analogy [06:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:12] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[06:32] intel 940GM somethingorother on an 8y/o hp laptop [06:34] did it lock up with the newer 2.9.1 from intel,alisonken1noc? [06:34] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [06:35] it is posible that someone can log as root if he/she does not know the password(for root) ? [06:36] only if you have physical access to the computer [06:36] over ssh ? [06:37] or if they have a local user account and has some form of privilege escalation available [06:37] only if you have ssh configured to allow root access and you have the ssh public key for it [06:37] i ask because i found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTsUuLrjSOk&feature=related [06:38] lol.. or if theyre running telnet on unpatched Solaris10 :) thats root-tastic [06:38] among other things :) [06:39] ok - they ran a root exploit on it after having access to the computer already [06:40] alisonken1home, u tell : "if you have physical access to the computer"; i thought that only if u know the password u can log as root [06:40] oxiredo_ro: that youtube video is an example of privilege escalation [06:41] oxiredo_ro: with local access to the machine you can do as you please [06:41] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.93.89) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:43] then;why does exist "root" ? [06:43] oxiredo_ro: if you have physical access to the computer, you can reboot from a cd or something and bypass root [06:43] oxiredo_ro: because you dont let people you dont trust have physical access to your computers.. and privilege escalation is combatted by patching [06:44] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.135.223) joined ##slackware. [06:49] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.20.72) joined ##slackware. [06:50] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:50] nahum (~Decart@bzq-84-109-30-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:51] awesome.. just discovered some pretty sweet and simple privilege escalation in WinXP. It's gonna come in very useful! [06:51] hah [06:51] as if that would be hard anyway [06:52] aye.. but im not talking about user->administrator.. im talking about administrator->system [06:52] either way seems not too hard from what I hear [06:53] how do u do hat "privilege escalation" [06:53] that * [06:53] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:53] i jus love the simplicity... get task scheduler to run cmd.exe and because task scheduler runs as system.. so does the shell [06:53] then you can kill explorer and reinitialise it from the shell [06:54] can i pas commands to cmd remottely? [06:54] oxiredo_ro: O_o [06:54] that meens yes?:D [06:55] That means the flow of information on this topic has just been abruptly halted. [06:56] hehe [06:56] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.74) joined ##slackware. [06:57] what is c99? [06:58] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=c99 [06:59] google is your friend :) [06:59] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-221-57.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:59] or, if you're like someone else that (used to) hang around here, yahoo or bigdog [07:00] "C99 is a modern dialect of the C programming language." this meen that it is "C" ? [07:01] ok, let me ask you - what does "C programming language" mean to you? [07:01] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:02] a programing language [07:02] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.206.13) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:02] the only one i knwo (and something in C++) [07:02] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:03] slysyr (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. 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[08:22] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-65-117.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Axius (~fd@92.82.88.231) joined ##slackware. [08:28] nahum (~Decart@bzq-84-109-30-219.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:28] I get this when I try to open tmux : can't create socket: Permission denied. What can I do to fix that problem? [08:29] tmux has an IRC channel here on freenode [08:30] ok [08:30] andrewtaylor_ (~slackandr@144.75.187.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Quit: Changing server [08:31] escaflown (~elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] escaflown (~elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:33] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@193.92.228.54) joined ##slackware. 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[08:52] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.211.127) joined ##slackware. [08:56] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:57] asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Nick change: asido -> Asido [08:58] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:00] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: almoçar [09:02] seb6896 (~seb@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Quitte [09:02] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [09:02] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-208-194.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:04] have a simple issue here with my wifi [09:04] yeah, what ? [09:05] Axius: you probably don't have write permissions to /tmp. the man page will tell you how to have the socket created elsewhere(such as in your home directory) [09:05] on wpa_gui my adapter is empty, but when i check iwconfig [09:05] lo no wireless extensions. [09:05] eth0 no wireless extensions. [09:05] wmaster0 no wireless extensions. [09:05] Channel flood from Asido -- kicking [09:05] wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg ESSID:"" [09:05] Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated [09:05] Asido kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:05] asido_ (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [09:05] sorry for flood [09:06] Nick change: asido_ -> Asido [09:06] wpa auth, can be a bit tricky... Not the first time Ive seen this. [09:06] wpa can be messy [09:07] Asido: i've had issues before trying to use gui tools for wpa. i think i ended up having wicd work though. [09:07] wicd is always good [09:07] zaltekk, did you get WICD to show available connections ? [09:07] linXea: yes. [09:07] works for me [09:08] hm, guess you did better then I did... never got wpa working correctly with gui [09:08] worked for me in several places [09:08] I have yet to get wicd not to work [09:08] i have it setup with rc.inet1.conf/rc.wireless, but I use wicd when I am roaming [09:08] I ended up changing my wifi auth to wep instead [09:08] for myself, anyway [09:08] Action: NaCl helps work on wicd [09:09] good, nect time I'll ask you NaCl ;-) [09:09] on my laptop I use wicd all of the time [09:09] much easier [09:09] WICD is king.. [09:09] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@node235.wireless88.outside.ucf.com) joined ##slackware. [09:09] the only time I ever had a problem using wicd it was because I hadn't installed a bugfix [09:10] bugfix... where would I look for those.. [09:10] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@node235.wireless88.outside.ucf.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:12] Action: NaCl really wonders why pat didn't get "this is a bug that can easily break wicd for users" [09:12] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:12] yeah, i don't think slackware has the update released [09:12] linXea: the major bug is in 1.6.2.1 [09:12] i believe it was with 1.6.2 [09:12] and 1.6.2.2 fixed it maybe [09:12] NaCl, okay :) [09:12] linXea: slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade wicd [09:12] zaltekk: it did fix it [09:13] i would constantly have my connection drop(or sometimes not even succeed). [09:13] as I remember, the wicd guys scrambled to fix the issue for inclusion in 13, said it was fixed, Pat released it, and then it was found to be broken [09:13] but every other version of wicd has worked flawlessly [09:13] thrice`: yup [09:13] alisonken1home, thank you but I have it set up the old fashioned way now [09:13] next time [09:13] conveniently there is also a bug in 1.7 [09:14] Action: linXea takes a notes for future use [09:14] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-072-182-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] You'll know it when you see it, most peopl don't see it [09:15] really? no hints? [09:15] job security ;) [09:15] hah [09:15] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:16] alisonken1noc: it is fixed in source control [09:16] dermoth (~dermoth@205.151.111.9) left irc: Excess Flood [09:16] only if wicd used git so we can easily find it! I hate launchpad :> [09:16] bzr branch lp:wicd [09:16] bzr: command not found [09:17] sbopkg -i bzr [09:17] I'll pass ;) [09:17] dermoth (~dermoth@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Very well. wicd uses bzr for the purpose of using launchpad [09:19] thrice`: also, launchpad's bug tracher (IMO) is one of the best I have seen [09:20] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:20] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:21] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:21] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:22] flyspray in the most simple bug tracker ive seen. both bugzilla and launchpad suck at being simple [09:22] and i will keep on using them in a wrong way, probably forever [09:22] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [09:23] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [09:23] ty guys, wicd works fine! [09:23] yay [09:24] sahk0: wicd doesn't have it's own hosting, we use sourceforge [09:24] right, thats a valid point [09:27] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:27] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:28] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [09:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:30] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:32] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.211.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:32] metrofox (metrofox@ppp-224-248.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [09:33] i got error on startup: Unable to contact the Wicd daemon due to an access denied error from DBus. Please check that your user is in the netdev group. [09:33] i did sudo gpasswd -a netdev [09:33] but the same [09:34] Asido, after you add yourself to netdev, be sure to logout and log back in. [09:34] also, after installing wicd, you may need to reload the messagebus rules [09:34] i did and got the same message [09:34] how to reload the rules? [09:35] mm, I'm not on my linux machine to check exactly, but I think "/etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload" [09:35] Asido, also, you logged completely out of your user, and not just x.org, right? [09:35] Asido, just reboot. [09:35] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:36] that is easiest, sure ;) [09:36] well, reloaded, trying again [09:36] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:36] or /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload [09:36] heh [09:37] dbus needs to know about wicd's policies before it can decide such things [09:38] p1nkc4t (~edgar@189.117.160.244) joined ##slackware. [09:39] p1nkc4t (edgar@189.117.160.244) left ##slackware. 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[09:58] btw, i have another issue with my sound [09:58] this is how my alsamixer looks [09:58] http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7735/soundj.png [09:58] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-32-49.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:59] i am using laptop and using PCM as a slider for my sound hotkeys [10:00] is it a multichannel card ? you may need to choose front and/or master instead [10:00] and what is the problem? [10:00] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [10:00] but usually after each logging into the user i must log as a root and do alsaconfig because PCM slider disapears from the KMix [10:01] are you in the audio group? [10:01] didn't put that manualy, so no i guess :) [10:01] after you do "alsaconf" also do "alsactl store" [10:02] XGizzmo++ [10:04] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:04] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. 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[10:19] hi [10:20] anyone got mplayer installed? if yes, how big is the executable [10:20] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:20] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [10:20] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [10:21] why [10:21] IceChant (~icechant@94.159.232.80) left irc: Quit: http://www.1st-vets.com [10:21] my mplayer build is almost 10 megs [10:21] i did roll my own [10:21] MPlayer SVN-r29731-snapshot-4.3.3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10443188 2009-06-26 01:56 /usr/bin/mplayer [10:21] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10621768 2009-06-26 02:18 /usr/bin/mplayer [10:22] Pig_Pen: it's over 10 megs [10:22] IceChant (~icechant@94.159.232.80) joined ##slackware. [10:22] k, ty [10:22] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8716420 2009-11-16 01:55 /usr/bin/mplayer [10:23] -rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 9991816 2010-01-20 13:54 /usr/bin/mplayer [10:23] so it's big! [10:23] I mean the "stock" build is over 10 megs [10:23] stillbor1: it's a very cool program :) [10:23] ;) [10:23] i disabled a few things i never use, like TV and PVR or DVR [10:23] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:24] sure [10:24] does that include codecs or are they all libs ? [10:25] 2010, and 10mb for a media player being consider 'big'? [10:25] think the codec are included but it links a load of libs shared also [10:25] i just unpack the codecs to $PKG/usr/lib/codecs just before i run makepkg on it, but that has no bearing on the size of the actual mplayer binary in /usr/bin [10:25] ananke: it really depends on what it does - mpc for win32 is only 5 or 6 mb [10:26] its functionality is near identical [10:27] adaptr: interesting, didn't know that [10:27] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:27] vlc is quite nice too [10:27] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:28] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@193.92.228.54) left irc: Quit: the poul......... :) [10:29] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-57.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:32] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] how to make slackpkg command to work on other users? [10:33] sudo would probably be your best bet [10:33] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:33] y, but that doesn't help :) [10:34] asido@skynet:~$ sudo slackpkg install wine [10:34] sudo: slackpkg: command not found [10:34] Why doesn't that help? [10:34] wine isn't an application aavailable with Slackware anyway [10:34] so slackpkg isn't going to work for you [10:34] ohh [10:34] slackpkg isn't in your users path. second, wine isn't an official package, so it won't work [10:34] sudo does not set the /sbin and /usr/sbin paths which is where they are [10:34] i see [10:36] hi, i have problem while running simple 2-thread app [10:37] and how to make slackpkg in my user path? [10:37] http://dpaste.com/154161/ [10:38] can you look at this code? [10:38] slackpkg is not for users, it is a root only app [10:40] pseudonymous (~icarus@nat-wireless.itu.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:41] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:42] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:42] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:43] troys (~troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] i think that thread will show comunicates one after another, but, i see a lot of thread1 communicates and the a lot of thread2 communicates [10:43] that is the problem [10:44] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [10:45] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.211.127) joined ##slackware. [10:46] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [10:48] kaeser (~kaeser@unaffiliated/kaeser) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Asido, you can get wine from alien's repository. or, build it with sbopkg. [10:49] Axius (~fd@92.82.88.231) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:50] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-208-194.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:51] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by antiwire1!~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com)) [10:51] antiwire1 (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Nick change: antiwire1 -> antiwire [10:51] antiwire (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [10:51] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [10:51] NewBie2010 (~Hello_Lin@41.252.46.223) joined ##slackware. [10:52] guys, I've just read that installing packages on slackware is way much easier than redhat and fedora ... is that correct? [10:53] NewBie2010: it has no dependency baggage, so yes, in a way. [10:53] uh. [10:53] yeah. [10:53] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:53] depends on your definition of "easier" [10:53] ya'll posting in a troll thread [10:53] NewBie2010: I find that the package system doesn't get in the way. [10:53] ok, it works [10:53] antiwire: perhaps. [10:56] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:57] is it true tha .tgz are binary packages that different from the .tar.gz files? and what is the best official place to download and try slackware packages from? [10:58] Nick change: kaeser -> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [10:58] Nick change: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa -> kaeser [10:59] troys (~troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:00] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:00] l00t- (~i-i3id3r_@20150146227.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:00] NewBie2010: Correct. The official place are the mirrors. The rest is just unofficial. [11:00] l00t- (~i-i3id3r_@20150131097.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:02] antiwire1 (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:02] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by antiwire1!~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com)) [11:02] Nick change: antiwire1 -> antiwire [11:02] antiwire (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [11:02] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:02] troys (~troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:02] NewBie2010, you can try http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [11:02] However if you need packages: there are two places that can be trusted: "http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/" and "http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/" and there is always http://slackbuilds.org, while we don't host packages, we do have build scripts that will make packages for you. 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[11:04] man oh man [11:06] what's linux reply to Alloy Discovery? if anyone among of you have ever used this comperhensive network invetory tool [11:06] Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded. [11:06] Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly. [11:06] echo $DISPLAY shows nothing [11:06] epoch: Because we don't, nor ever will. We focus only on bringing slackbuilds scripts. We're not going to do any stuff like [automatic] dependency resolut or prebuilt packages. [11:06] dios_mio (none@88.244.195.51) joined ##slackware. [11:06] dios_mio (none@88.244.195.51) left ##slackware. [11:07] what is the point of yet another linux distro? [11:07] like slackware? [11:07] pseudonymous (~icarus@nat-wireless.itu.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:08] It's troll Wednesday [11:08] kaeser? [11:08] antiwire: did nobody remove the "short bus parking sign"? [11:08] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-219-70.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] he got bored trolling ##linux [11:09] I don't see what slackware do and debian don't [11:10] *yawn* [11:10] thats wutz the googlez r 4 [11:12] SlackNeo (~SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:12] designed with the twin goals of ease of use and stability as top priorities. [11:12] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:12] linux based distros aren't appropriate for this goals I guess [11:13] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:13] it's always a beta [11:13] (02.03.10 11:13) CTCP VERSION reply from kaeser: xchat 2.8.6 Linux 2.6.31-gentoo-r6 [x86_64/2,10GHz/SMP] [11:14] ardya, gentoo is a beta too [11:14] given the linux nature [11:14] but I KNOW it's a beta [11:14] hi folks, [OT] anyone here get configured emacs with ipython i was reading the doc but they talk about emacs23 [11:15] He knows with a capital K [11:15] for real. [11:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [11:15] slackware is just another debian clone [11:15] get over it [11:16] I think you're the only one who isn't "over it" [11:16] >< [11:16] must have missed that memo that said i should get worked up [11:17] the slackware website is so weel designed [11:17] I bet my son make a better one in half day [11:17] for 'some' definition of 'better' [11:17] so just go take care of him and leave this channel [11:19] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:19] I think slackware is used by a bunch of fat teens that want to look a cool person. [11:19] Not that all slackware users are like this. [11:19] awesome [11:20] claps [11:20] s/kaeser// [11:20] bravo [11:20] "I think" haahaha, prove you can [11:20] Look mom, I am using a linux distro, and it's not ubuntu. [11:21] alienBOB: sorry to disturb but could you kick kaeser? =) [11:21] k [11:21] I don't think kaeser knows that he's not very good at trolling. [11:22] kaeser: look a cool person? [11:22] he's not as good as the others [11:22] How do you look something? [11:22] I am not trolling. Trolling is telling that slackware is not a teenager made distro. [11:22] is telling? [11:22] You have the English skills of a small, slightly retarded Chinese dog. [11:22] kaeser: how lng have youhad issues with teens? [11:24] weel, I don't make a distro to be teen fashioned. [11:24] straterra: that's harsh for the dog =/ [11:24] kaeser: so, how long have you had issues with teens? [11:24] Who's weel? [11:24] ardya: he'll have those until he finishes his teen years [11:25] rejecting reality in the meantime [11:25] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.211.127) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:25] `Dante` (~dante@72.94.197.230) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:26] If you want a real distro you need try debian or gentoo. [11:26] kaeser, if ur going 2 talk shit, at least make sure we understand u [11:26] Sorry. :-( [11:26] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] mother fuckers ... some is trying to hack me [11:26] Just go kill yourself before you have children. [11:26] NewBie2010: I..doubt that. [11:26] let's cut the crap here, there's only 3 reasons why he's trolling here... [11:27] I think NewBie2010 and kaeser are in cahoots, too. [11:27] 1. his dick is too small he can't bear it [11:27] like i said, he's trolling here because he got bored of trolling in ##linux. he's a notorious troll. [11:27] 2. he is still a virgin [11:27] stillbor1: you're not helping [11:27] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:28] 3. his dick is just too darn small! [11:28] :P [11:28] I can't even imagine the trollage level in ##linux [11:28] i ain't? [11:29] must be hard to get a word in edgeways in #linux [11:29] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [11:30] anyone tried using a eSATA drive here ? [11:30] pseudonymous (~icarus@nat-wireless.itu.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:30] why [11:30] ardya: I'm trying to connect one but nothing turns up in /proc/partitions [11:31] time for a counterraid to ##linux :P [11:31] snL20: is it powered? [11:31] spook: yeah [11:31] snL20: dmesg? [11:31] NewBie2010 (~Hello_Lin@41.252.46.223) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:31] Slackware is the attempt of looking cool for your mom and myspace friends while you are a linux noob trying to use something else that isn't Ubuntu. [11:32] lsscsi ? [11:32] wtf! run amuck! [11:33] In foruns you can actually put a slackware bar in your assignature and think you are the best!! [11:33] this troll bores me [11:34] just /ignore [11:34] if i can make my ancient arthritic body climb a 30 foot antenna tower and repair an 18 foot antenna the lamers at the college should be able to fix the local NPR radio antenna [11:34] I think it's his engrish [11:35] Pig_Pen: just how old are you? [11:35] lol [11:35] almost 50 [11:35] Put a slackware sticker to look more cool. Pig_Pen I am sure even it doesn't works you will look cool. Like slackware distro! [11:35] how to extract *.cab files? [11:35] pfffttt, my dads 53 and is fitter than me. [11:35] whois kaeser [11:36] oops! slashfail [11:36] the * [11:36] Asido, you need cabextract available in slackbuilds.org [11:36] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:36] ##slackware: mode change '+q *!*@unaffiliated/kaeser' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [11:36] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [11:36] ty [11:36] yay [11:36] hey ananke, long time =) [11:37] hey :) [11:37] you good ? [11:37] as good as one can be [11:37] ideal =) [11:37] sitting at home, being sick, and adding stuff to my cart on monoprice.com. god, i love that site [11:38] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:38] Camarade_Tux: http://omploader.org/vM2Z0NA [11:38] win 14 [11:38] bah [11:38] vianna (~c8a34385@gateway/web/freenode/x-hvtlzhxcrccovnwg) joined ##slackware. [11:38] vianna (c8a34385@gateway/web/freenode/x-hvtlzhxcrccovnwg) left ##slackware. [11:38] snL20: sorry, got to go, no time to check it but it should prove useful anyway [11:40] i want some xft fonts happening, brb [11:40] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:41] Camarade_Tux: ok... hmmm [11:41] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [11:41] thats better [11:42] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:43] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:43] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:46] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [11:49] James____ (~benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:50] hi, i cant get rid of red warning in chrome on ssl sites. I added the cert and certutil -L -d sql:$HOME/.pki/nssdb shows it but still i get the warning can someon ehelp? [11:50] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:52] slysyr (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:54] `dante` (~dante@72.94.197.230) joined ##slackware. [11:54] James____ (~benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [11:56] tis a geek fest in here [11:57] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] ananke: how is the weather in my favoite part of the country? [11:57] hello phrag [11:57] Pig_Pen: *nod* [11:58] hi dtanner [11:58] snl20 too! bunch of Alphageeks [11:58] Intel[R]VT-x_ (~chatzilla@124.43.38.68) joined ##slackware. [11:58] today it's actually sunny. we got about 10" of snow over the weekend, and it was snowing yesterday [11:58] powdery snow i bet [11:59] nah. nasty wintery mix [11:59] at least yesterday. [11:59] how to extract *.zip? [11:59] my rar tells me Anglonas.zip is not RAR archive [12:00] *blink*] [12:00] Asido: does 'zip' look like 'rar'? :) [12:00] hi dtanner, hows it going ? =) [12:00] Asido: unzip [12:00] Nick_Patterson (~c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-taxhtvbecengzmyt) joined ##slackware. [12:00] well, i thought rar works with zip too :) [12:00] kids and their rar stuff [12:00] Intel[R]VT-x (~chatzilla@124.43.108.215) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:01] Nick change: Intel[R]VT-x_ -> Intel[R]VT-x [12:01] Test.... [12:01] fail [12:02] Your "fail" meant my pass :) [12:02] where's bow valley college? [12:02] It's in Calgary. [12:02] ahh [12:03] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] I knew a nick patterson in TN, doubt you're him though [12:04] slysyr (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:05] ardya: it's him... [12:05] its not [12:05] :) [12:05] ardya: I might be. I traveled around a lot with my uncle, Floyd. [12:06] you'renot [12:06] he travelled a load with Floyd ardya, have some faith [12:07] isnt that some kinda bread spread? [12:07] made of unholy synthetic ingredients? [12:07] wtf are you talking about? [12:08] "faith" [12:08] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [12:08] ah [12:08] haha [12:08] might be a bread spread [12:09] Not a boxing fan, I see. [12:09] nor nascar, nor wrestling [12:09] Just Elvis? [12:09] I lost interest in boxing afer Ali lost the title for good [12:09] NASCAR RAWX! [12:09] Action: vastina puts on his oakley m frames [12:10] ardya: Then you've seen Ali and Patterson fight? [12:10] ok suppose I have chroot from a live cd to my slackware installation, what is the easiest way of getting the networking after that ? [12:10] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@207.81.93.133) joined ##slackware. [12:10] No subnet declaration for eth0 [12:11] dhcpd eth0 ; I get No subnet declaration for eth0; whats wrong with that ? [12:11] vastina (jaird@64.215.163.99) left ##slackware. [12:11] aaaardya [12:11] paul424: HOW did you get that error [12:11] please provide details [12:11] do you know the subnet? common subnet masks are 255.255.255.0 & 255.255.255.255 [12:11] help us help you [12:13] ohh ok its 255.255.248.0 [12:14] Pig_Pen: and ? [12:15] you found it! [12:15] yeah, I don;t like to boast about my hacking skills [12:16] or the utter visible lack thereof? [12:16] i wish i was leet too! [12:24] slackboy joined ##slackware. [12:24] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [12:25] ok thanks [12:25] thar be dragons, you know the fate of sailors that venture in to unknown seas [12:26] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:26] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:26] invictus (jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [12:29] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [12:30] BiynaYahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] BiynaYahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:31] BiynaYahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Urchlay: I got zdoom to compile after I backgraded from -current to -13.0. Unfortunately, now I'm have problems compiling something else. You'd mentioned the doomsday engine for playing doom and whatnot. So, I thought I'd give it a go. It had different ideas. [12:34] I can pastebin the output again if need be [12:35] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:36] http://pastebin.com/d2e9d0b78 [12:36] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [12:36] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:37] Urchlay has been helpful to me, and that's why I directed this at him, but anyone who wants to take a crack at it. I'd be more that appreciative. I tried googling it, but to no avail. [12:37] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:44] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-237-54.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:44] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:52] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:54] 135. mapseg_t *ml; [12:54] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:55] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:55] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:56] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [12:57] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] anyone knows good *.swf player? [12:58] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:58] where i could forward them [12:58] mplayer can play .swf I guess [12:59] VLC can, also. [12:59] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.19) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [13:00] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [13:00] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:00] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.230) joined ##slackware. [13:02] I need to get an older kernel version, from where I can download them from , what are the actual slapt-get or slacpkg repositories ? [13:03] Actually, I may be wrong about VLC. Apparently it only plays FLV flash movies/ [13:03] paul424: define 'older kernel version' [13:04] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:04] hey guys what chan is slackbuild on? [13:04] 2.6.31 [13:05] paul424: kernel.org [13:05] found it [13:05] paul424: There are no slack repositories. You can download software from the same mirrors you got your SlackDVD/CDs, or from one of the sites which host community based slackbuilds. [13:08] emm, have a stupid question. if i edit *.txt file or similar, a green icon with filename~ ending pops. what are those for? [13:08] i believe it is a temporary file or a backup of that file...it is application dependant what are you using to edit said file? [13:08] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:08] BiynaYahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:09] BiynaYahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [13:10] doesn't matter what. openoffice, kword [13:10] Yup. [13:10] They're backups [13:10] but these files can't be opened [13:10] at least i don't know how [13:10] usually they can be opened with whatever application made them [13:10] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [13:11] in openoffice, its a temp file, in vim its a backup, no idea what kword does [13:11] I bet if you change the extension to the file type you saved. Or right click and open-with the app you used [13:11] BiynaYahu: dude, but slapt-get usually keep several packages on the server side [13:11] ardya: backup [13:11] slapt-get [13:11] bah [13:11] I used that until I knew better [13:11] paul424: yes, if you have a repository configured. [13:12] i just edited with kwrite and it can't be opened with any office program [13:12] kwrite is a text editor [13:12] paul424: huh? slapt-get doesn't do it. the repository manager would have to do it [13:12] respository manager? [13:12] chuck56 (~chuck56@206.81.65.24) left irc: Changing host [13:12] chuck56 (~chuck56@unaffiliated/chuck56) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Breech_ (Joachim@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [13:13] NaCl: yes. the person in charge of managing the repository [13:13] ah [13:13] and how to disable those green icons? kinda annoying [13:13] per-application [13:13] Can't help there, they are actually useful if something goes terribly wrong [13:14] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:15] Asido: configure your to ignore those [13:15] didn't I just say that? :P [13:16] Nick_Patterson (~c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-taxhtvbecengzmyt) left irc: Quit: Page closed [13:17] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Nick_Patterson (~c7b9844e@gateway/web/freenode/x-iunlgciutnnltzir) joined ##slackware. [13:18] possibly, i didn't notice [13:19] one more issue :P [13:19] when i connect my usb flash or put a cd into rom i got this error when trying to open [13:19] http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8605/wtfaw.png [13:20] never was before [13:20] Someone didn't read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.txt [13:20] Asido: you need to be in the plugdev group [13:20] ahh, again groups :) [13:20] ok, ty [13:21] i need to configure my group list [13:22] I recently backgraded from -current to -13.0, and now if I run at runlevel 4 kdm complains about not being able to run/find the oxygen theme. then crashes to console. I'm just running at runlevel 3 and startxing for now, [13:22] ooprs [13:22] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.211.127) joined ##slackware. [13:23] ... 'startx'ing for now. But I am lazy and would like to be able to skip this step. [13:23] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [13:23] downgrading from -current is usually a bad idea [13:23] Is it possible my themes folder got lost (as far a kdm is concerned) in the backgrade? [13:24] s/from -current// [13:24] since you can manually startx, and runlevel 4 does nothing more exciting than that, this suggests a difference between the services started in the runlevels [13:24] XGizzmo: true [13:24] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-237-54.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:24] I think it's kdm having the issue.... not x or kde itself [13:24] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:25] BiynaYahu: however, KDM does not theme anything - KDE does [13:25] Fair enough. [13:25] Sounds like some package is missing [13:25] or kwin, rather [13:25] kdm cant be themed? [13:25] BiynaYahu: did you move all the .new configs in place? [13:25] ardya: didn't say that [13:26] Yes, kde window manager.... Should I just reinstall kwin. [13:26] ardya: he sayd kwin themes kdm [13:26] said [13:26] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-237-54.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:26] BiynaYahu: of course, if all components assume the same resource locations, all components would be affected [13:26] BiynaYahu: no, I did not say that either [13:26] BiynaYahu: did you remove all the new packages that were added to -current [13:27] BiynaYahu:this is trivia to check by skipping KDM and loading kwin manually [13:27] *trivial [13:27] slackpkg clean-system should help, I believe [13:27] but a quick peruse of your X/KDEresources might help [13:27] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [13:28] hi, if I do cat /proc/cpuinfo .. what is the keyword to see whether it supports AMD Cool'n Quiet in "flags" section? [13:28] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [13:28] no idea, which cpu is it? [13:29] Athlon 64 3500+ [13:29] it has C'nQ [13:29] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [13:29] it does not say so in BIOS! [13:29] i mean it says nothing about CoolnQ [13:30] how can I check if it is operational? [13:30] touch it :) [13:30] :) [13:30] haha [13:30] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [13:30] alreadygone: you'll need the kernel module(s) for it [13:30] you can have the "ondemand" cpu governor loaded and check the cpu frequency [13:30] don't remember the paths to check that though [13:30] (and have to go) [13:31] ok thanks Camarade_Tux [13:31] adaptr, you mean " AMD Cpufreq Driver for Linux"? [13:32] the AMD website says "This driver is already included in the 2.6.18 or later kernels and does not need to be downloaded again." [13:32] correct; however, it does still have to be loaded [13:32] how do I do that? [13:32] modprobe [13:32] modprobe cpufreq ? [13:33] try cpufreq_ondemand or cpufreq_powersave [13:33] mine supports ondemand (X2 3800+ [13:34] BiynaYahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:34] i'll try [13:34] wow, amd x2? i haven't had one of those since maybe 2004 or 2005, whenever it came out :D [13:34] did "modprobe cpufreq_ondemand" command worked... no message [13:35] dmesg and see [13:35] alreadygone: if you have pm-utils installed, run pm-is-supported [13:35] oh, never had an x2 i guess [13:36] no wait, that's an odd result [13:36] bah [13:36] emm, how to add user to plugdev group? i try useradd -G plugdev username. i also try adduser username plugdev, but i get that i need to choose another username since this one exists? [13:36] it said: pm-is-supported [--suspend | --hibernate | --suspend-hybrid ] [13:36] pseudonymous (~icarus@nat-wireless.itu.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:36] Asido: gpasswd [13:36] usermod, not useradd [13:36] alreadygone: yes, wrong result [13:36] Asido: gpasswd -a user group [13:36] try kuser [13:36] so Cool'nQ is not working [13:36] ok, ty [13:36] alreadygone: says who [13:37] well, what do you mean by wrong result then? :) [13:37] slackpkg search cpufreq returns pm-utils, for no apparent reason [13:38] there are userspace utils to check and set the governor mode, frequency, etc [13:38] but I forget what they're called [13:38] there's always /proc, of course :) [13:38] hmm [13:38] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:39] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:40] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. 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[13:51] alreadygone: there's a slackbuild for it [13:51] oooh coooool stuff [13:51] NaCl, got it from there :) [13:52] neh, no CnQ info there either :( [13:52] Very well. [13:52] wow, adaptr there's so much info there [13:52] have fun :) [13:52] but no Cool'nQuiet [13:53] I Ctrl+F'ed Cool and Quiet [13:53] adaptr, do you use mailguard [13:56] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E30D8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:58] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:58] gbti (~no@mail.daiby.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:59] kitche (~kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Quit: Bye [13:59] dissociative (~alejandro@adsl190-28-159-187.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:00] anyone knows if there's noticeable difference of network lattency between hfc and xdsl? [14:00] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC315A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:01] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[14:36] if i start an xwindow session how can i limit the keyboard rate... i use kbdrate but with tty1 and it works yet when i am under x it doesnt do i have to set these settings under tty7 as well?? [14:36] x has its own system [14:37] all that b/c my system settings dont work under xfce [14:37] mikl0: X doesn't use the tty/vty/pty interface [14:38] kitche_, i was thinking so...the keyboard settigns work but only for that session and i have to set it back each time... [14:38] kitche_, and the numlock doesnt even turn on like i tell it too.. is there a config i can modify to avoid this system settings window [14:39] adaptr, thanks [14:39] mikl0: set your keyboard options in the xfce settings panel [14:40] adaptr, ok brb then. 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[14:48] sh0ne (~sh0ne@109.93.13.6) left irc: Client Quit [14:49] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.47) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:49] sh0ne (~sh0ne@109.93.13.6) joined ##slackware. [14:49] adaptr, ok restarted my xsession and my settings are there however it does not perform the same at all i used extreme settings such as 500 delay and .2 [14:49] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [14:49] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-146.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:49] i dont know what to do to make x have appropriate repeat rate it is very extreme [14:49] mikl0: I can't help you with that - the settings xfce offers are what it has [14:50] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-65-117.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:50] adaptr, ok thank you for your time :) [14:51] is the timing weird in some way ? I have never had problems with keyboard rates either in the console or in X [14:52] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:55] what i am trying to say is for each xsession i have to reset the settings it has the correct numbers there but does not perform accordingly [14:55] i used an extremely slow setting left x then startx again and it is back to some default [14:55] sirslacker (1001@s0378.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:55] with my slow numbers in the system keyboard settings entry [14:56] mikl0: you are or aren't using xfce? [14:56] xfce yes i am using it [14:56] Nick_Patterson (~c7b9844e@gateway/web/freenode/x-iunlgciutnnltzir) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:56] under the settings menu you can change the keyrate [14:56] it isn't sticking? [14:56] exactly [14:57] the numbers are there but not the performance i have ot set it each time to get it to perform [14:57] troys (~troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:57] and currently have it set to 5sec delay for repeat an extreme choice but to show myself it is not correct [14:57] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:58] and i also want numlock on as well but it doesn not work either [14:58] i understand. i'm in e17 though i will attempt to ssh into my home pc and see what i have set there. [14:58] because i had to slow mine down as well [14:58] mrselfpwn, yes is it in some conf file? [14:59] i'm sure it is [14:59] i would be most happy to do it... ihad the a similar issue with display i had to modify xorg.conf and it finally got my display correct [14:59] i attemptd to add an inputdevice section to xorg.conf to setup my keyboard however it didnt take or i did it wrong [14:59] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:00] i found kbdrate yet kitche_ informed me that is only for tty and x has its own system as kbdrate works great [15:00] mikl0: you normally use xorg.conf or hal? [15:01] i am just starting so normally i dont have yet... what is hal [15:01] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:02] i didnt even have an xorg.conf i had to create it [15:02] mikl0: okay well if kbdrate works great couldn't you add a script to run kbdrate with the correct options at start? [15:02] yes that is only for tty not for x :( [15:02] i have no idea why [15:02] oh okay. i see. [15:03] mrselfpwn, thanks for ur assistance and i assume hal is hardware abstraction layer?? [15:03] yes [15:04] if you don't have an xorg.conf created or don't specify hardware in your xorg.conf then xorg will attempt to autodetect the correct modules to load for you. [15:04] using hal [15:05] yes that was the issue with my display i resolved that fine... i merely want x to save my keyboard rate settings and apply them effectively during my session did u find ur settings [15:05] v4nelle (~van@79.103.135.146.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:05] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:05] so everything else in my system is using hal is what ur telling me as i have only specified my display in xorg.conf [15:06] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:06] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Client Quit [15:07] correct [15:09] and i do have xfce 4.6.1 i think the newest one [15:09] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] mrselfpwn, anyways its cool thanks i will live with it till i find a way to fix it is there a way to have execution of things when login to x windows [15:11] josefig (~JoseFig@189.190.136.164) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:12] mikl0: ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/keyboards.xml [15:12] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [15:12] "DefaultKeyRepeat" [15:12] Acquiesce (~si@212.183.140.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:12] excellent [15:12] change value=" [15:13] to whatever you like :) [15:13] mrselfpwn, thank u. indeed i know exactly the setttings i want [15:13] mtkoan (~no_name@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [15:13] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [15:13] i have a question related to ur nick if u dont mind? [15:14] mikl0: no problem. it looks like they have a temporary setting in there and default. The default is the correct one to change. [15:14] it's mr. [15:14] u already knew :) thanks again i do appreciate it [15:14] my esata is not working, it may be because the akasa enclosure I got says sata 1 and my motherboards esata is sata 2 .... [15:14] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-65-117.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:15] ^>^ [15:15] ...or you've not loaded the driver module for the controller [15:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:15] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> Mrselfpwn [15:17] adaptr: me ? [15:17] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-237-54.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [15:17] yes, you [15:17] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) joined ##slackware. [15:17] sata 1 or 2 should make no difference, it's fully backward com patible [15:17] sladegen (~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [15:17] does dmesg say the drive is recognized when you plug it in ? [15:18] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-151-37.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:18] adaptr: well, I tried rebooting with it connected and it had a hard time getting past the POST... and when linux loaded it was having a hard time detecting the drive I did notice it said 3gb/s and I know the rating for the enclosure its sata1 =) [15:18] adaptr: also it failed booting at that point [15:18] adaptr: now I just use usb 2.0 :P [15:19] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:19] Nick change: Mrselfpwn -> mrpwnage [15:19] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-87-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] snL20: it seems either your controller doesn't like sata1, or the enclosure doesn't properly announce itself as sata1, then [15:28] adaptr: yeah, reading the mb manual it says quote "The external SATA port supports external Serial ATA 3.0 Gb/s devices....." :] [15:28] snL20: still, SATA 3.0 should be fully backwards compatible [15:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:28] I've never had problems with it [15:29] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:29] adaptr: yeah... I supposed the enclosure could be faulty [15:32] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-101.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[15:41] adaptr: the drive in the enclosure is a sata2 disk though =) [15:42] snL20: that matters not, sata drive through sata enclosure should not introduce anything by itself [15:42] of course, if it DOES, it's both stupid and probably breaking compatibility [15:42] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-kbndehhuhqvdwpku) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [15:43] the esata port on the enclosure should be a 1:1 connect to the drive, but it may not be [15:43] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:43] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:43] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Quit: Segfault [15:44] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:46] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:47] adaptr: well the thing does support ide drives too =) [15:48] snL20: over an *esata* port ??? [15:50] thats easy [15:50] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [15:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [15:51] straterra: a. no, and b. that wasn't the point. [15:51] adaptr: eh probably, I havent tried, would be pretty useless I guess =) [15:53] snL20: the point is that it probably completely translates the drive whatever it is, so it does a totally unnecessary translation betwene esata and a sata drive [15:53] making things completely incompatible with everything [15:53] adaptr: yeah, I should look for a better enclosure =) [15:53] adaptr: uhm..Yes, it is [15:54] All you need is a $10 converter [15:54] straterra: you need.. yes. however. did you follow the conversation ? [15:54] 15:47 < snL20> adaptr: well the thing does support ide drives too =) [15:54] 15:48 < adaptr> snL20: over an *esata* port ??? [15:54] that's a "no", then. [15:55] I suggest you lastlog to the start of the conversation [15:58] PsYkHe (~psykhe@187.36.145.65) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:59] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.20.72) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:02] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-072-182-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:03] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [16:07] I have one questions. Installed slapt-get on slackware 13, but I read that it can break my system, because it download and packages for current. Is this correct? [16:08] Dunno [16:08] its not supported here [16:09] Which is not supported? [16:09] use slackpkg :) [16:10] engrxyz (~jkjkjk@host81-143-50-92.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] yes, but it's not thirty pard :) [16:11] technopolic: slackpkg will only work for the official Slackware packages. slapt-get supports multiple package repositories. But it tries to do dependency resolution which Slackware's package format does not support, so it is a hack at best [16:11] Some people are quite happy with slapt-get but we do not support it here, so if you break your system - indeed we will not be able to help [16:13] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [16:14] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:16] alienBOB: So, if I want thirty part repository to use slapt-get? Sorry about the stupid question, just it's not my natural and not understood the last sentence [16:16] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-65-117.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:17] the english is not my natural language* [16:18] macavity (~charlotte@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:22] my MPlayer is not running anymore and I don't know why. The other media players are working fine. How do I reinstall the MPlayer? [16:23] slackpkg reinstall mplayer [16:23] Better find out why it is not running... re-installing may not help you [16:24] I know....begining to look at the /var/log directory. [16:24] Nick_Patterson (~c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-ipkdfjunpuebpmcn) joined ##slackware. [16:24] kleanchap: what does mplayer say when you call it from the command line? [16:24] the error message is probably a good clue [16:26] to be clear on slapt-get dependency checking: only done IF a repository HAS deps. [16:26] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [16:26] if slapt-get is involved i resign on the spot [16:26] simple as that [16:26] like slashpkg, it wont do a damn thing you didnt tell it to do [16:27] from the cli, I can execute mplayer xyz.mp3 and it is fine. However, I do not get the GUI. [16:27] What happens if you try to run gmplayer? [16:27] i dont support third party package managers... period [16:27] kleanchap: try any of the -vo help outputs [16:27] ask-in (~chatzilla@111.119.205.201) joined ##slackware. [16:28] dangit.....gmplayer does bring up the gui portion, which means something is screwed up with my menu system or file associations. [16:28] gmplayer should die [16:28] ask-in (chatzilla@111.119.205.201) left ##slackware. [16:28] what's the major mindset in encrypting a drive using luks? [16:28] O, the negative sentiments in this channel [16:29] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.140.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:29] engrxyz: ? [16:29] customer just had a new PRI installed four days ago and ported all of their DIDs to the new line. The line went down this morning. [16:29] i mean, why do people encrypt their hard drive [16:29] Because [16:29] a mission critical hard drive [16:29] You don't have to [16:29] engrxyz: Obviously, you're not a golfer. [16:30] forgive my innocense [16:30] what if i have trade secrets for my orbital brain lazors, if hackers stole it then my plans for taking over the world would be ruined [16:30] or customer / client information... [16:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.68.92) joined ##slackware. [16:31] there are plenty of real world, practical reasons. [16:31] sows nobody cares to stole your information if you don't have the blueprint for the F35 fighter jets [16:31] engrxyz: because i want to make sure that if anyone wants to snoop on my hard drive they go get a warrent first ;-) [16:31] smplayer ++ [16:31] If you only use your computer as a toy then I can see why you wouldn't understand disk encryption. [16:32] mplayer's gui has been dead for years, it'd be nice to have it replaced with a proper frontend :> [16:32] or if your hard drive doesn't contain information like billions of money [16:32] does not matter what you think engrxyz, your just some dumb monkey and one dumb monkey isnt going to change the world [16:32] technopolic (intel@95.43.5.147) left ##slackware. [16:32] engrxyz: how long do you think it would take a good criminal to exploit your personal data if your laptop was stolen.. and the harddrive was in plaintext? [16:32] biynayahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] disk encryption can benfit especially with your info stored on disk. [16:33] engrxyz: .. lets suppose you buy stuff online, have netbanking, etc [16:33] info such as your credentials. [16:33] identity theft is not uncommon these days [16:35] Keep in mind that disk based encryption is going to help you in the event of a powered off theft. It won't help you at all if someone sits down in front of your system with the volume opened and your account logged in and it won't help you during a powered on, network based attack either. [16:36] obviously [16:36] true that. [16:36] It is to prevent the theft of a powered off laptop from becoming a complete PR disaster. [16:37] oh, to prevent someone to get my ebjkeystore files.. i have them on an encrypted usb thumbdrive [16:37] objkeystore? [16:37] s/oh/ [16:37] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-87-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:38] slackwarebob: the netbanking crypto files [16:38] there are clever ways to fix that up, make a /home/$USER partition for just one user and encrypt that partition, so the rest of the OS and other user accounts that have no critical info are in the clear, and when you need to do your secured work you just log in to that /home/$USER account, do your business and log out & umount that partition [16:39] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:39] Action: Intel[R]VT-x linux kernel make me FAT ass ! now I hate my body , my advice is stay away from kernel programming [16:39] Right, the kernel forced all those twinkies right down your throat [16:39] netbanking?.... online banking info? [16:39] or is it some new fad I'm unaware of? [16:40] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:40] anything that you want to keep data secure, banking, client's info, maybe you are an inventor and need to keep data secure until you get it patented or trademarked [16:41] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:41] inventor? [16:42] yeah, new products are invented everyday, new types of bicycles, automobile parts, motorcycles, cooking utilsils, the list is endless [16:43] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [16:43] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:43] you think the people that made that electric car (Tesla motors) keep their data unsecured? [16:44] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] not likely, there is millions of dollars in technical data on stuff like that, even though Tesla went belly up that info can be sold to other companies [16:45] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] biynayahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:47] i guess i was wrong, Tesla motors is not going out of business, some stupid slashdot submission, i got to quit visitng that site [16:48] ikar (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [16:49] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [16:49] how do i install unrar so that i can rightclick on zip-files an unpack them? [16:49] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Anyone used an ASUS GX1026I switch? [16:51] ikar: slackbuilds has unrar [16:51] Pig_Pen, ok. I would try using that,.. thanks [16:51] as far as opening a rar with a rightclick depends on the desktop, (kde, xfce) [16:52] NyteOwl: are you talking about splashtop ? [16:52] you could just use the console or any xterminal run unrar on the file [16:52] Intel[R]VT-x: huh? [16:52] not sure what that is [16:53] wiki it [16:53] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:53] it's not *nix [16:53] i got all of tesla's patent records [16:53] Pig_Pen, i use xfce [16:53] Intel[R]VT-x: no, I'm asking about a switch, not software [16:53] just love reading it but good thing it isn't encrypted [16:54] i wonder what will happen to opensource if they software be available but encrypted [16:54] engrxyz: i think you have a crackpipe [16:54] Well, I am in possession of THE NOC List. [16:54] Tesla.... Pft. that's peanuts [16:55] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:55] ms dos 6.0, 20 years in the default install without a single hole [16:55] all files are not encrypted there [16:56] i've work for a fortune 500 company b4 in silicon valley but so far, none of them were encrypted [16:56] and nobody dares to bother looking at it [16:57] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:58] ikar (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:59] someone is boosting about his F500 company [16:59] he he [16:59] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:59] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] well linux don't compare to msdos 6.0 [17:00] I wonder where Linux will be in 20 years. [17:01] in the back roads doing drugs. [17:01] macius (~macius@i209-195-109-153.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] in 20 years, linux will be obsolete [17:01] Ah, the lid opened again. [17:01] no flame war [17:01] linux kernel compared to dos 6.22 but far more advanced [17:01] talking about when it knew windows 7. [17:01] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:01] before started actinga and adopting foreign children [17:01] i mean the kernel [17:01] and dos was easy to kill being single task oriented [17:02] i'm talking about linux being the kernel [17:02] hehe, just joking.... [17:02] dos was good back then. it was stable and did it's job well. [17:02] now it's time for other things. [17:03] linux kernel will have written entirely by a OpenCL like language that supports vector processing. [17:03] linux in 20 years will probably be replacing almost everything :D [17:03] macavity (~charlotte@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:03] opencl kernel [17:03] Action: CcSsNET drools [17:03] hopefully, winders and linux will both be running. [17:03] it will be fun. [17:03] hopefuly not [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-57.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] I like both. [17:04] i dispise winders [17:04] I hope linux based Gui will improve tho. [17:04] that will be nice to use. [17:04] indeed, no reason windows has to stop existing [17:04] although i use it for games [17:04] I don't despire anything. they have their purposes. [17:04] which i would love to stop doing [17:04] their pros/cons [17:05] I don't think today conventional programming languages can support to write a kernel for exploit future hardware. and win heterogeneity. [17:05] in 20 years, the linux kernel will be around 100 raise to the power 100 lines long [17:05] in lin dists, I'm liking slack more,. [17:05] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:05] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] it will probaby break into the kernel.org/modules.org [17:06] in future there will be neural chips [17:07] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] entirely different kernel will be there. [17:07] more related to brain theory. [17:07] kernel will still be in C. [17:07] a 50MB kernel tarball, abd 500MB module tarball [17:07] linux will be dissing c++. [17:07] and complaining that OO langs suck. [17:07] slackwarebob is correct. [17:08] but correct for current hardware. [17:08] s/linux/linus/ [17:08] hehe, I was just throwing out ideas like you guys.... [17:08] I'd like OS reco interface more than neural interface. [17:09] can you imagine a virus on neural interface OS? It can just hear your passwords.... [17:09] I meant voice reco interface on OS.... in prev comment. [17:09] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [17:10] macavity (~macavity@212088073003.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:14] acidchild, you can dooo it [17:15] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.135.86) joined ##slackware. [17:16] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:18] hello, using sox, it uses audio device, but audio output is not usable by other applications... is there a way to tell sox to use dmix alsa plugin? [17:21] person (~ed@92.22.194.148) joined ##slackware. [17:22] maybe, try creaing a pcm device in ~/.asoundrc that uses dmix plugin, then use that pcm device for sox (assumes sox has the ability to specify a pcm device) [17:22] doesnt slackware even default to dmix? [17:23] ardya, yep, slackware is dmix ready: all applications (mplayer, amarok, firefox with flash videos, and so on) use it, only sox doesn't work [17:24] i use sox to read from tv card audio input and then output to the sound card [17:25] sox --single-thread -s -r 32000 -c 2 -t alsa hw:4,0 -s -r 32000 -c 2 -t alsa hw:Intel & [17:25] hw:4,0 is the tv card audio device, hw:Intel the default output [17:26] did you try my suggestin? [17:26] not yet [17:26] i will try [17:28] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:33] sox probably defaults to using OSS and only uses ALSA if you tell it to [17:42] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:42] sh0ne (~sh0ne@109.93.13.6) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:43] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:45] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:49] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:49] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:49] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:49] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [17:51] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:51] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:51] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:52] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] subvwork (~subvwork@1-18-132-169.idt.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] whats up peoples. [17:54] having trouble with getting x11 over ssh working. anyone know where i can find some guides going... ssh -Y works but not ssh -X [17:55] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:55] whats wrong with using -Y? [17:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:56] And/or what goes wrong when you use -X? [17:56] i guess nothing now that im looking at it again.. i was under the impression that it calls a rmeote app via ssh but uses local settings. im at work and when i ssh -Y and load firefox... if i goto a site that is not trusted with our network it tells me its blocked.. i guess i thought it did .. i could have confused it with a local firefox that was running. ill brb [17:58] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:59] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[18:26] wb [18:27] Cann0n: y0, how's it going? [18:27] What rock you been hiding under? :P [18:27] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.25.173) joined ##slackware. [18:27] the college rock. sucks. how you been? [18:27] been great, thanks. :) [18:27] slackbird (~koldpengu@host-177-135-2-96.midco.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:28] Pig_Pen, yes, i have a pinnacle pctv 110, saa7134 [18:29] Cann0n: How's college been going? [18:29] nix_chix0r: you can do my sponge bath [18:29] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Write error: Connection reset by peer [18:29] Action: nachox bows [18:30] hey nacho :D [18:30] fire|bird: Sucks. I'm probably failing. [18:30] hey nachox, how are you? [18:30] I have zero motivation to study. [18:30] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] lol [18:30] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:30] doing fine, thank you, how's everyone? [18:31] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:31] Shuren: when i had a TV card a few years ago i just took an audio line and plugged it from audio out on the TV card to audio in on the sound card [18:31] All my previous college credits from GA won't transfer down here to FL... So I'm having to take ALL my classes again [18:32] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [18:32] Pig_Pen, yes, but now there is a module to use tv card audio chipset, so an audio cable is no longer needed [18:33] nachox: Life sucks and I just know some how it is your fault. [18:33] sucks to be you [18:33] Other than that I'm good. [18:33] :P [18:33] :P [18:33] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.19.205.115) joined ##slackware. [18:33] nix_chix0r: Hey! [18:34] Cann0n: WTF is that all about? [18:34] does slim project continue being developed [18:34] colleges run like a business for profit, if they can make a rule that makes them more money they will [18:35] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:35] fire|bird: I've been the ultimate slacker. It kinda sucks. My math teacher is confusing as hell. He asks questions in response to other questions ALL the time [18:35] most schools, even if they accept out of state transfer credits, will only allow a certain number [18:35] making you take a majority of your classes at their university [18:35] XGizzmo: all I wanna do is skate and smoke weed. [18:35] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] Cann0n: Dude then move to cali [18:36] mohaa (~moha@92.49.77.109) joined ##slackware. [18:36] XGizzmo: that's actually on my todo list... soon as I find an RV on craigslist for under 1k and convert it to biodiesel [18:37] Cann0n, hi [18:37] How's the wee-one? [18:38] Nick change: ech -> meninoech [18:39] The exit exam for the class I'm taking is only 30 Q's [18:40] which sucks because missing 3 is like a punch in the face. [18:41] Nick change: meninoech -> ech [18:41] hi all [18:43] Hi. [18:44] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:47] roba (~roba@n131.cpms.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:51] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:51] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] usus12jari (~ashe@114.58.226.233) joined ##slackware. [18:55] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:55] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:10] Razec (1000@189-92-44-241.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:10] or fix this... [19:10] What happened to the original file? [19:12] slackware doesn't have a /etc/mime.types [19:12] redirect it to ~/.mozzila/mime.types [19:13] mozilla* [19:13] ~/mozarella [19:13] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:13] I think I will just link to the httpd mime.types file and see what happens [19:13] brb [19:13] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-169-87.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:13] anshul (chatzilla@111.119.205.201) left ##slackware. [19:14] or where ever the mime.types is [19:14] should be somewhere where your user can edit it [19:14] there are 8 of them in a full slackware install [19:15] mutt, tin, alpine, apache, htdig each have their own... [19:15] and xine [19:15] anshul (~chatzilla@111.119.205.201) joined ##slackware. [19:15] seems to have done the trick [19:15] great! [19:17] has anyone here ever used lylix.net? [19:20] anshul (~chatzilla@111.119.205.201) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100124134759] [19:25] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:28] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:29] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:29] What's the most secure authentication method to be able to SSH in my server from any given computer? [19:30] Or rather, what would you guys recommend? [19:31] roba (~roba@n131.cpms.ru) left irc: Quit: ~373rni7y i5 !t3rm 4u5 [19:31] keys [19:32] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:33] rapid: So I would need to carry my private key around, right? [19:34] i guess im not having problems with ssh forwarding.. [19:34] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:34] im having, however, trouble setting up a simple crontab on my machine [19:36] http://pastebin.com/m3e565039 [19:36] this isn't working [19:36] :\ [19:37] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:37] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:39] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [19:39] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Quit: a [19:41] subvwork: Have you tried executing that command in a loop in a terminal just to make it's correct? [19:41] Like "for ((i = 0; i < 5; i++ )); do fbsetbg [args]; sleep 5s; done" [19:42] sub: whn that runs from cron it has no idea which display you want it to connect to [19:42] vhann: it works [19:42] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:42] http://pastebin.com/d5851d72c just put this in a text file, chmod +x and put it in /etc/cron.daily [19:42] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [19:43] Pig_Pen: i got that.. however i want it every 5min [19:43] :\ [19:43] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:43] GooseYArd: interesting.. [19:43] subvwork: Hum, GooseYArd is probably right (remember to look at "ENVIRONNEMENT VARIABLES" in the manpages ;) ) [19:43] GooseYArd: not sure what to do with that.. [19:44] ok [19:44] make a script that uses sleep to re-initialize it every five mines [19:44] DISPLAY=:0.0 command [19:44] echo $DISPLAY [19:44] you can try DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 /usr/bin/fbsetbg -a -r /home/substancev/wallpaper [19:44] gives :0.0 [19:44] yah its set for you, but its not in the environment when cron runs [19:44] ok thanks ill give it a try [19:44] good luck [19:44] you need to export that in your cron script [19:44] startx [19:44] is the cronjob running as you or as root? [19:45] oops. wrong keyboard [19:45] pig :) [19:45] |l1n3 (~davi@201009166067.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:45] Action: GooseYArd crashes [19:45] ahaha [19:45] one querstion for today , before I get ignored. After upgrading in current slackware, how it is possible to rerun lilo with the 2.6.32.7 kernel , before starting the 2.6.32.7 kernel with lilo. Sounds like a chicken-egg problem to me. [19:45] <|l1n3> hello everyone, anyone who have installed google chrome in slackware 13 found problems in setting it as default browser? [19:46] GooseYArd: im running crontab -e as a regular user... it just worked! sweet [19:46] sub: oh cool, good [19:46] guess GooseYArd had it on the head.. [19:46] a chicken is just an egg's way of making more eggs [19:46] i understand [19:46] Pig_Pen: i like that [19:46] chicken bit [19:46] paul: when you run lilo, it doesnt interact with the running kernel, just the one in /boot [19:46] the image file in /boot, eather [19:46] rather [19:47] mmm eggs [19:47] paul424: Boot from your old kernel, run liloconfig, boot new kernel, delete old kernel ? [19:47] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:47] <|l1n3> anyone who have installed google chrome in slackware 13 founded problems setting it as default browser? [19:48] default in KDE you mean? [19:48] is google chrome a good idea in linux? [19:48] FF ATW :) [19:48] sub: it works pretty well, i was surprised [19:49] that's not an answer. Because if we have a trcik such as the new kernel sees our disk as new devices, the old kernel won't help as it does not see them. [19:49] sweet got an email saying tomorrow we are working from the pub across the street since we didn't have a xmas party [19:50] paul: what are you trying to do, btw [19:51] biynayahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] GooseYArd: I was hanging out with this so many times that I am afraid I will be kicked [19:51] your camel toe looks like a catchers mit. [19:52] :( [19:52] paul you can msg it to me if need be [19:52] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.19.205.115) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:52] GooseYArd: I just did some upgrade to current, and I got the kernel panic cannot install VFS on given device. [19:52] glipper [19:53] ah ok [19:53] paul's issue sounds familiar.. [19:53] well im outtie.. thanks #slackware you guys are great [19:53] paul have you got a bootable cd around? [19:53] nice to meet you subv [19:54] mtkoan (mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:54] subvwork (~subvwork@1-18-132-169.idt.net) left irc: [19:54] GooseYArd: yeah, I try that for 3 days already , but that ain't helping. [19:55] GooseYArd: but how a slackware wise-handy-dandy people do that ? [19:55] if you do a "huge.s root=/dev/hda1 rdinit= ro" at the prompt when you boot from the cd [19:55] it'll boot the cd's kernel, but it'll mount your root partition [19:56] I did that by chroot.... [19:57] <|l1n3> GooseYArd, no, I use xfce [19:57] also I wanted to get the cd with 2.6.32.7 kernel so I picked up the archlinux, but that ain't working. [19:57] by chroot, do you mean you mounted the drive in another machine? [19:57] |l1n3: ah sorry, no idea there [19:57] no, booted and chrooted [19:58] on the native machine if thatst what you mean [19:58] called the lilo and nothing ... [19:59] is your bootable cd a slackware disc? [19:59] no, as I said it is archlinux. Slackware current doesn't seem to have an iso. [19:59] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:00] ah you can use any version of slackware to do it [20:00] you dont need to be running any particular kernel to do the fix [20:00] paul424, the latest arch linux has 2.6.30 [20:00] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:00] debian squeeze/testing has 2.6.32.x [20:02] uhh look at current http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=arch [20:02] I am asking because of this , because even if I reinstall my system, after upgrade to curernt the problem will occur. [20:03] the latest arch INSTALL image has 2.6.30 - isn't that what you wanted, install media with a 2.6.32 kernel? 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[20:05] slack is a great distro but it takes users paying attention to detail to make it work on various systems & configurations, it is no debian or whatever, i am sure arch is the same way, you got to tend the details or you could have the same sort of problems [20:05] a plain old slackware 13 cd will do fine [20:06] SlackNeo (~SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:07] sorry all the ARchilinux really has 2.6.30, the distro watch is misleading [20:07] however I tried the absolute linux which has the 2.6.32.7 kernel http://www.absolutelinux.org/package_list.shtml [20:07] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.19.205.115) joined ##slackware. [20:08] arch does the rolling release style of keeping a system up to date, i think that is both annoying and unstable, [20:08] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-74-212-19-103-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:08] i like slackware's slow stable once a year release, it gives Pat & company plenty of time to iron the wrinkles out [20:08] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-74-212-19-103-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] GooseYArd: also tried that old slackware 13 cd. It ain't working for one simple reason: the disck devices under those both kernel ( lets call them old and new) are under diffrent path and use diffrent interface: as hda vs sda. I cannot be more clear. [20:10] i know how they work [20:11] on any system that slackware wont run good on i usually select debian as second best, testing for newer hardware and stable for older [20:11] the trick is that you have lilo write to /dev/hda, but the sector you write tells the kernel to boot /dev/sda [20:11] lilo -b [20:11] I like the rolling-release thing quite a bit [20:11] GooseYArd: I will have to google for that ... [20:11] you boot a kernel that sees the boot device as, say, /dev/hda1 [20:12] I mean, it's retarded that one can't use the newest KDE until their distro releases again [20:12] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.164.74) left irc: Quit: BitchX: now a major feature film [20:12] then, edit lilo.conf so that root=/dev/sda1, then edit fstab so that everything is sda [20:12] some distros have an interesting way of solving that: backport repos [20:12] bah humbug on kde-4.x [20:12] or, on a smaller scale, say, firefox 3.6 [20:12] then you say lilo -v -b /dev/hda [20:12] thrice`: who'd that happen to? [20:13] voila [20:13] agentc0re, anyone. people on 13 are stuck with kde 4.2, while 4.3 is a HUGE improvement, and 4.4 even better. yet people won't see it for another 6 months until slack 13.1 [20:13] I'm starting to find that strange, anyway :) [20:13] and -current is not the optimal solution to gaining access to those [20:14] thrice`: AH, i see what you were meaning now. [20:14] what is -current on for kde right now? [20:14] agentc0re: 4.3.4 [20:14] maybe some kde entheusiasts should do like gnome entheusiasts did = make third party package sets [20:14] GooseYArd: ok I will try. thanks. You are the clearest of all here. [20:14] Ah. [20:14] paul: heres a link http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover [20:14] ananke, exactly, people don't care about sub-system crap. they want newer firefox and pidgin [20:15] agentc0re: 4.3.5 is out and 4.4 is scheduled for final release next week. [20:15] paul: np, it'll be easier if you just mount your existing /dev/hda1 as / instead of the chroot stuff [20:15] it's weird explaining to someone that on ubuntu (not ubuntu alone, of course) that they can't use firefox 3.6, but in 6-months, they'll have to update 1200 packages instead [20:16] i wonder why KDE is an exception unlike FF where we get updates to that before major version releases. [20:16] GooseYArd: also the link, thanks , I couldn't google that out, I just got some junks. [20:17] i guess if it wasn't for the GCC update in current you could just update the K tree to get the latest. [20:17] i'm biased, but i like how i can solve it on suse. the plethora of repos hosted on suse's buildservice, maintained by the same folks who do suse, allows me to add a repo for mozilla [firefox 3.6], kde backports [any new kde apps], and kde repo [newer releases of kde]. all of that while maintaining compatibility and stable base of x.x release [20:18] GooseYArd: lilo is going to bitch that the devices dont exist [20:18] agentc0re: firefox updates are usually due to security bug fixes [20:19] can anyone recommend a slackware virtual server host to me? preferably something like xen and not openvz [20:19] ananke: I've had the KDE Factory repos enabled since 4.4 alpha stuff and kept it up to date and had no stability issues at all, works great. I did have a few issues, but they were of my own creation. :) [20:20] rolling release distros are sometimes a bit scary: you're forced to go with the flow, on the entire system [20:20] zaltekk: linode.com [20:21] fire|bird: so you live even on a bit more bleeding edge than most, by using factory repos :) [20:22] zaltekk: linode run on xen and have slackware as their deployable distro. [20:22] awesome. i do see that they don't support slackware13 though [20:22] brb [20:22] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558] [20:22] zaltekk: latest image they have is 12.2 but you can easily upgrade. [20:23] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.164.74) joined ##slackware. [20:23] rworkman: ping? [20:23] ananke: indeed I do, I even have gnome-shell installed. In addition to that, I have a couple extra gnome repos enabled which give me updates to things like claws-mail, etc. I have an account for obs, but haven't done much with it yet. I have built an irssi rpm a couple times though and have a basic idea of how spec files work. [20:23] BP{k}: and i would be able to upgrade from 12.2 32-bit to 13.0 64-bit? i've never done that task before. [20:24] ananke: In an even further quest to be on the bleeding edge, I plan to, yet tonight, try the 2.6.33-rc6 kernel. I hope nothing major breaks, but I expect anything to happen. :) [20:25] hmm not sure if you can upgrade to 13.0 64bit, you might have to run their pv kernel and mess about a little bit. [20:25] fire|bird: KOTD? :) [20:25] BP{k}: okay. i might give them a shot. i really just wish my old host supported mod_wsgi [20:25] zaltekk: do you get 4GB of ram on a linode? [20:26] macavity: i don't believe so. [20:26] phrag_ (~phrag@79-64-130-177.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [20:26] then why is it important that it is slackware64? [20:26] macavity: I am sure you can get it but no. [20:26] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:26] Nick change: phrag_ -> phrag [20:26] i'm being picky because i am shopping around for hosts [20:27] 64bit goes twice as fast as 32bit. duh. like duh [20:27] if i were to install the OS, i'd install the 64bit [20:27] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] upgrading from 32bit 12.2 to 64bit 13.0 is going to be severly trickey [20:27] phrag (~phrag@79-64-130-177.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Changing host [20:27] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [20:27] now that's another story. on all new hardware [or reinstalls], i use 64 bit os, even if the machine has only 4gb or less [20:28] macavity: i was afraid of that. [20:28] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [20:28] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [20:28] zaltekk: can you give me a technically solid reason to want 64 bit? [20:28] Action: ananke can :) [20:28] macavity: can you stop attacking me for asking if I could go from 12.2 -> 13.0 64-bit? [20:28] ananke, I did see a suse screenshot the other day that made me question suse :) [20:29] thrice`: got url? :) [20:29] zaltekk: it is not an attack.. i just want to make sure you dont insist on slackware64 because it "sounds more cool" or something like that :P [20:29] i would always pick a 64bit os over a 32bit os [20:29] ananke, http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/zypper1.png [20:29] maybe i won't notice the performance difference. but i'd still like to have the upgrade [20:29] suse just got a huge cash injection from microsoft when microsoft paid off those remaining SLES vouchers [20:30] so, git depends on cvs, bindings from pidgin, SVN, tcl/tk, and xchat bindings for tcl? [20:30] geez [20:30] zaltekk: if all the other factors are right, but you have to "sell" out on 64 bit, that would, imho, be the right choice... getting 64 bit, but say, crammed diskspace would be silly [20:30] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:30] i've had my zypper nightmares in the past.. think anan [20:30] .. ananke helped me fix them actuallt heh [20:31] macavity: the main thing that i found odd is tht slackware13 has been out for months, but i can't find a single host offering it [20:31] tds [20:32] zaltekk: honnestly, from a server point of view, no need to [20:32] and actually, most hosts that offer slackware as an option will only install 12.0 [20:32] check with rapidxen [20:32] they basically do any os [20:32] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [20:32] thrice`: not sure what the dependencies are for, but i see there are a lot of git-something packages. 'git' may be a metapackage [20:32] that's a bit cryptic, I guess [20:33] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:33] thrice`: since i have cvs and subversion installed, it doesn't complain about those. here's the only ones it would pull for me: 'cvsps git git-cvs git-email git-svn git-web subversion-perl' [20:33] but why on earth would one be required to even install cvs and svn to have git ? [20:34] that's an excellent question [20:34] ehh i got em all :-/ [20:34] it's like saying firefox depends on seamonkey and opera [20:34] because they bundle it with the tools to import cvs into git [20:34] ...while keeping history [20:34] macavity: ahh, very good point [20:34] i almost forgot about that. we've been looking at importing our current svn repos into git [20:34] and libpurple? :) [20:34] git can import pretty much anything now adays [20:34] thrice`: to give it pretty colors :) [20:35] CcSsNET: they for some reason list slackware on the specs page, but don't have it as an option if you goto the signup form [20:35] hmm [20:35] request it [20:35] isnt libpurple that aol something something protocol?!? [20:35] they say request anything [20:35] macavity, it's the back-end for pidgin [20:35] macavity: libpurple is everyting pidgin does [20:35] including aol [20:35] lol [20:35] although we're still disappointed that there are no decent front-ends to git, to allow multiple people manage their repos [20:35] front-ends? [20:36] l2 commandline git. its so freaking powerful [20:36] spook: exactly. cli. [20:36] gooy frontend [20:36] *gooey [20:36] sticky icky [20:36] i want a web front end, where project managers can manage their repos. without involving operations [20:36] whats to manage? [20:36] adding/removing users and managing permissions [20:37] spook: for starters, users. [20:37] sounds like the most insecure idea ever [20:37] those are done on the user/group level... [20:37] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:37] make a git group, add users to it [20:37] CcSsNET: sourceforge is insecure? [20:37] idk [20:37] spook: bingo. 'make a git group, add users to it' [20:37] zaltekk: if you really want to know, ask in #linode . either here or better: on the oftc irc network [20:37] so now i need real users on a system, and i need somebody with root to manage it. [20:38] more the genral concept of web interface for users [20:38] oh, i see your problem. [20:38] wasnt sure what u applied it to [20:38] my attitude is, fuck off, no one is having root access on one of *MY* machines [20:38] spook: _exactly_ [20:39] how often are group members changing? they can raise a ticket ffs. [20:39] spook: can I have root access on your machine? [20:39] me2 [20:40] say you have multiple development teams. each team has multiple projects. each project has a project manager. project managers should be able to register new projects. they should be able to grant appropriate access to users. [20:40] wescotte: ... fuck off. i have lots of machines, not all of them i own, but they mine none the less. [20:40] wescotte: sure.. if you can get it by your self :P [20:40] theres a few honeypots out there that give u root access [20:40] :P [20:40] macavity: ah a challenge :) [20:40] macavity: btw, got the raid working the other day. Thanks for all your help [20:40] wescotte: you against spook?.. no... not really [20:41] ananke: cant be that many. [20:41] wescotte: yw :-) [20:41] spook: as you see, there is a lot of work required by the main admin, work that should be delegated to project managers. [20:41] spook: yes, that many [20:41] wescotte: what was the magic dmsetup command? [20:41] ananke: are they using git properly though? [20:42] spook: what do you mean? [20:42] macavity: just installed dmraid [20:42] SBo? [20:42] no.. [20:43] same thing goes for subversion. it's disappointing there aren't many more tools to manage those repos [20:43] ananke: do teams overlap? [20:43] spook: sometimes. [20:44] why not something like gitorious? [20:44] Is there a SBo for fglrx anymore? [20:44] and developers move between teams, and so on. [20:44] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.19.205.115) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:44] let the managers add the appropriate ssh keys or whatever for push-access [20:44] thrice`: gitorious is still nowhere close to allow delegation of responsibility [20:44] ananke: with proper git use you have a maintainer who receives patches from others, and applies them as he/she finds fit to the main, read-only repo [20:45] wescotte: no.. fglrx on 13.0 is a pita.. ask NaCl or eviljames [20:45] a sample product that solves this problem is 'gforge' [20:45] but thats large scale projects [20:45] spook: you're talking about a single repo. i'm talking about managing multiple repos [20:45] s/proper/'proper'/ [20:46] doesnt everyone have their own "repo" with git? [20:46] ananke: no we're talking same thing. project manager creates a repo, makes it public readable. [20:46] isnt that kinda the idea? [20:46] macavity: I just got lazy and ran the installer.. Figure 13.1 is due pretty soon so no reason to make a nice and tidy system :) [20:46] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:46] macavity: but I'd like to learn how to do it right in the future.. [20:47] spook: and how does the project manager manage users? [20:47] macavity: yes but generally you have a 'main' repo, that represents the current version, people work on their own copies, then submit changes to the main one. [20:47] wescotte: uhm, 13.1 wont be much different i belive [20:47] ananke: they dont, they get emailed patches :P [20:47] spook: exactly. see the problem? [20:47] wescotte: 13.1 cant be that close, no RCs [20:47] macavity: I figured as much [20:47] not every team works like that [20:47] GooseYArd: uhh sadly, the lilo overwrited the boot sector, but the kernel won't work, still the same error. [20:47] ananke: yeah i know :/ [20:48] ananke, write one ;) [20:48] I'd say 13.1 is a long ways off [20:48] spook: well, maybe a month or two.. I'm not really in a rush as school is keeping me really busy [20:48] wescotte: 13.1 will have a kernel version bump, kde version bump and a bunch of other nifty things like libata and libnotify [20:48] thrice`: i hope too.. i hope we get the new Xorg/drm/mesa stack [20:48] macavity, 1.8 is due soon-ish, I think :> using udev over hal [20:48] one of the biggest problems such frontend as gforge solves is simple: people are in charge of their repos, and they don't need to wait for central administration to tend to those matterts [20:49] macavity: you were righj, the lolo bitched that. [20:49] ananke: does gforge cost? [20:49] s/lolo/lilo [20:49] paul424: again, find something with a recent kernel you can boot [20:49] spook: yes and no. the free version is severely crippled. [20:50] ananke: thats sucky :( [20:50] spook: and we currently have an older version deployed. trying to get away from it. it would be great to have a product that supports multiple revision control systems: git, subversion, maybe even mercurial [20:50] ananke: why not just buy it? [20:50] ah ok. [20:51] ananke: pipedream i think? [20:51] yay, -current updates to fetch [20:51] spook: because it doesn't solve all the problems we'd like to address, it has a bit more than what we need, their support sucks, etc [20:52] spook: yeah. and i'm surprised there isn't a product like that out there [20:52] paul424: now, i have looked over usbimg2disk.sh, and i cant for the love of god figure out why you say it needs to be modified [20:52] ananke: as i said, pipedream :( [20:52] macavity: uhh should be this distro enough : its absolute linux, slackware based with newset kernel http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=absolute , should I run it with that lilo -v -b option ? [20:52] we'd gladly pay, if it wasn't gforge :) [20:52] paul424: this is a slackware channel. [20:53] <|l1n3> anyone who have installed google chrome in slackware 13 founded problems setting it as default browser? [20:53] paul424: it might.. but you could also just go the extra mile and download: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/slackware-current-02_Feb_2010-DVD.iso [20:53] v4nelle (~van@79.103.135.146.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:53] spook: updates for -current? [20:53] Action: paul424 gets his straitjacket inserted [20:53] <|l1n3> anyone who have installed google chrome in slackware 13 x64 founded problems setting it as default browser? [20:53] |l1n3: did you use the slackbuild? [20:53] BP{k}: for me at least :) [20:54] <|l1n3> spook, Yes [20:54] spook: ah okay :) [20:54] i'd say think of it as a mailing list management: why would you need an e-mail administrator to babysit subscription management for each individual mailing list? :) [20:54] paul424: then at least you have a proper install media for after-the-big-libata-change for later use.. juuuust in case :P [20:54] <|l1n3> spook, my problem is that I can't set it as default, firefox continues the default [20:55] neat, new kids in the hall episode [20:55] macavity , yeapt thats goood idea, have to burn it tomorow as I don;t have the dvd burner. [20:56] paul424: again, i am sure there is something odd with your system... or you didnt boot it the way i told you.. or something.. since usbimg2disk.sh -f -i usbboot.img -o /dev/sda *should* bloody work [20:56] *assuming that your thumbdrive is sda on the old-style hd* system* [20:56] macavity, I found that the latest in -current for 64-bit are the only ones broken [20:57] |l1n3: i dont use it, cant help you sorry, was trying to help as much as i could but seeing if you'd installed a slackware friedlier version. [20:57] paul424: you are not using 64-current, right? [20:57] if you're trying to use usbboot.img from -current on 64-bit, it won't work [20:57] no [20:57] good [20:57] ok [20:57] <|l1n3> spook, thank you =D [20:57] one thing i never understood about git/subversion/cvs/etc -> why do they insist on using real users? it's 2010, git is fairly new. why isn't there ability to have virtual users, without nasty hacks like gitorious? [20:57] I am current 32 [20:58] ananke, because linus said so :) [20:58] paul424: you said that the script couldnt find mbr.bin [20:59] macavity: to be honest it worked for ONCE with the previous kernel [20:59] paul424: i have double and tribble checked.. mbr.bin is in the location the script expects [20:59] paul424: what worked? [20:59] rworkman: thanks robby for the most of the non-kernel updates to -current on 31st jan 00:14:48 UTC [21:00] thrice`: bingo :) [21:00] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-65-104-97.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] -2.6.32.5 but than I have done the upgrade again to a 2.6.32.7 [21:00] how did you boot 32.5? [21:01] more to the point. DID you boot 32.5? [21:01] spook++ [21:01] macavity: <3 [21:01] and it was the pendrive composed of my own :P I mean by just the dd cmd, the script after slight modification ( changing the proper path to syslinux ) wasn't working at all ( it didn't saw it as booting pen)/ [21:01] paul424: if you are uptodate on everything (including syslinux) the script *works* [21:02] there is something fishy here [21:02] strange the path to mbr.bin or somehting was inappropriate [21:02] do you have /usr mounted on a seperate partition? [21:02] no [21:02] paul424: did you selectively update? or update everything? [21:02] macius (~macius@i209-195-86-222.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:03] everything except /home is on one partions , I updated everythning [21:03] then something is totally borked.. download the DVD, boot it, adjust lilo.conf and fstab, run lilo [21:03] then double check that you have slackpkg install-new [21:03] or whatever this is [21:04] crudo (~kayaman@189.70.106.9) joined ##slackware. [21:04] macavity++ slackpkg install-new is something you HAVE to do on -current (along with reading the changelog) [21:04] Action: GooseYArd burps [21:04] as i am staring at mbr.bin and syslinux in the places that the script looks for them [21:04] is anyone using gnome as their de for slackware? already using kde on desktop and pretty much getting sick of it [21:05] GooseYArd: no dice.. lilo craps itself out because the device nodes does not exist yet [21:05] its in :\usr\share\syslinux but the scirpts looks err somwherre else [21:05] then you're not on slackware [21:05] what? [21:05] quit wasting our time [21:06] it should be in /usr/bin/syslinux [21:06] paul424: look in /var/log/packages/syslinux-3.52-i486-1 [21:06] syslinux does not have a single file in /usr/share/ [21:06] huh dude, I am considered as fast writing person , but you must have your brain dircetly connected to the keyboard [21:07] man I have no idea how anything works since MAKEDEV disappeared [21:07] no, irssi has tab completion for filenames ;-) [21:07] irssi is humpable [21:07] GooseYArd: BRILIANT! [21:07] paul424: boot the dvd like i tought you [21:07] paul424: get to the system, and shut down udev [21:08] i finally got hipped to bitlbee too, im in nerd heaven [21:08] paul424: then /dev/MAKEDEV appears again [21:08] paul424: *run it* [21:08] paul424: then you have fake device nodes for /dev/sd* [21:08] paul424: then updating lilo.conf and /etc/fstab will work [21:08] paul424: but still use the -b /dev/hda option with lilo [21:08] problem solved! [21:08] left hand, yellow [21:09] macavity: I thought the same but I didn';t knew how to do it. I mean I tried touching the /dev/sda but it wasn;'t workign [21:09] it needs to be a node [21:09] so touch no worky [21:09] paul424: just get udev to shut up :-) [21:09] wonder if you can mknod while udev is running [21:09] macavity: are u a typewriter or programer ? [21:10] paul424: /etc/rc.d/rc.udev stop [21:10] ok I must note all the steps so I want be lost in bare console :P [21:10] paul424: no, i have just been a touch typist for 15 years [21:10] paul424: PM? [21:10] i learned to type from irc [21:10] i learned to type from an application not much different from ktouch [21:11] yeah please [21:11] Action: BP{k} learned to touch type through the ircII typing program ;) [21:12] eheh [21:12] i must say, even if my technique of typing is horrible, irc has helped me touch type [21:12] BP{k}: i finally caved in and switched to irssi [21:12] GooseYArd: well done :) [21:12] "caved" in? Should've been using that in the first place [21:13] well it hasnt been around that long [21:13] uh what? [21:13] lol [21:13] my .ircrc has been growing for about 20 years [21:13] when i started there was only the one client :) [21:13] actualyl the airforce learned me to type blindly, irc just made it fluent. [21:14] unfortunately I started out with Xchat of all things [21:14] I learned to type in highschool [21:14] had to fill a class.. typing it was! [21:14] i learned to type punching in programs on a trash-80 from magazines [21:15] that was grueling [21:15] GooseYArd: wouldn't that hurt your fists? [21:15] also, possibly damage the magazines and the trs80? [21:15] i believe i probably did pound on the coco a few times when I discovered I had been off by a row with my line numbers or something [21:16] what i did was took the positive and negative wires from my old ps/2 keyboard and plugged each end to my retinal nerves so i just think of a number between 1 and 128 and it types. but i think fast. [21:16] what a horrible keyboard [21:17] some of those old computer magazine programs, some asshole would write it in an assembler, then dump it and write a basic program that was like 50 pages of POKE statements [21:17] so you were typing in comma separated lists of numbers for 3 days [21:17] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] then whammo, space invaders [21:17] l00t- (~i-i3id3r_@20150131097.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:18] eviljames, http://slackware-radeonhd5770-compatibility.blogspot.com/ [21:19] mohaa (~moha@92.49.77.109) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:19] he knows about that [21:19] eviljames, if you have that card working you've done something that is extraordinarily unique to your system, and i'd like you to share lol [21:19] NaCl, no i updated it about every 3 hours [21:19] righteous: install fglrx [21:19] Oh. [21:20] NaCl, read first :P [21:20] although, NaCl if i remember right you had some ideas about what the issue was, right? [21:20] GooseYArd: more likely, "whammo, crashed computer!" [21:21] mohaa (~nome@92.49.77.109) joined ##slackware. [21:21] crash it [21:21] urch: that was a distinct possibility [21:21] righteous: I did nothing special. [21:21] Urchlay: it took me a while to save up for a cassette drive, so I couldnt save my programs [21:21] I installed the driver, ran aticonfig --initial, started X, and it worked. [21:21] Even turned on the randr support. That worked too. [21:22] mohaa (~nome@92.49.77.109) left irc: Client Quit [21:22] it took me a while to save up for a cassette drive too, so I didn't bother typing in anything that'd take longer than half an hour [21:22] righteous: amdcccle doesn't like me, but I don't use it [21:22] NaCl, would you do me a huge favor and explain in great detail what you did to install the driver, what you installed it on, maybe include your xorg.conf and your /var/log/packages listing, which version of slack, other modifications you've made to your system...? [21:22] mohaa (~nome@92.49.77.109) joined ##slackware. [21:22] my mom turned my coco off one time after I'd spent all day on a skiing game [21:23] ergh. I had an atari 800XL at one point whose original power supply was dead, so I was running it from a variable-voltage bench power supply [21:23] someone (I suspect mom) turned the knob on the power supply all the way up, for no apparent reason... result was krispy komputer [21:23] oh man [21:23] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm done for now [21:24] crap [21:24] man this makes me nostalgc [21:24] 15+ years later I found the carcass and fixed it (turned out the RAM chips and one of the custom I/O chips were all that was fried) [21:25] hah [21:25] i think my folks might have given away my box of coco parts [21:26] at one point I found out you could stick a coco-formatted floppy disk in an atari drive and (sort-of) read it [21:26] were ataris 6502? [21:26] i never really got to check one out [21:26] at least, you could read the raw sectors (they were inverted, the atari for some reason swapped the 0's and 1's for its own on-disk format) [21:26] yeah, 6502 [21:27] back then I suffered from a bit of 6809 envy... [21:28] Urchlay: 800xl was my second computer. loved it, regardless of the fact that i envied c64 owners :) [21:28] i was jealous of the C64 [21:28] ahah [21:29] their games were like 100x better than the coco [21:29] haha, yes [21:29] sound was better, graphics were better, the whole damn thing was better. [21:30] and yeah, the power supplies. they were the size of a normal brick. huge. [21:30] i still had the hots for the C64 up untill a year ago.. when a buddy had one plugged in and i saw how it looked :P [21:30] macius (~macius@i209-195-86-222.cia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:30] and of course, the c64 users eventually became amiga owners. bastards [21:31] and amiga died :) [21:31] an amiga was an unfathomable sum of money [21:31] i can't remember what they actually cost [21:32] atari 800/1200 vs c64/c128 was repeated in atari st vs amiga [21:32] GooseYArd: an arm and a leg.. give or take 10% [21:32] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558] [21:32] ive been trying to relive the fantasies of my youth by buying some of those shitty old computers [21:33] a nextstation was at the top of my list [21:33] nothing shitty about those old computers... well, except the timex/sinclair 1000 [21:33] yah that was a disaster [21:34] our library used to have one of those that you could take home [21:34] ananke: here in Denmark there was no "vs".. zx81 for the unluckey ones.. and C64/128 -> Amiga500/1200 for the blessed ones :P [21:34] ananke: the weirdest thing about that is, the atari ST was designed by the Tramiel-owned Atari (Jack Tramiel was the founder of Commodore), and the Amiga chipset was designed by Jay Miner (former Atari engineer who designed the 2600 and 400/800/XL chipsets) [21:34] zx81 should have died on the spot :P [21:35] lol.. had they merged they might have been able to fend off Intel :P [21:35] macavity: i started on zx81. go rubber! [21:36] I started on an atari 400 (membrane keyboard, maybe slightly better than the zx81) [21:36] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [21:36] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:37] i remember seeing those. how did those membranes handle wear and tear? that was the biggest issue with the rubber keys [21:37] GooseYArd: I might still have an original black & white nextstation monitor [21:37] FakeOutdoorsman (~PE@64-68-174-206.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] (or it might have gotten tossed when I had to move in a hurry, to a much smaller place...) [21:38] of course having to press 3-4 keys to enter a full 5 letter command in basic did help :) [21:38] i managed to snag a color 040 but i cant remember what hapened to it [21:38] FakeOutdoorsman (PE@64-68-174-206.gci.net) left ##slackware. [21:38] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:39] the nextstation isn't really nostalgic for me anyway. I never even got to be in the same room with one, when they were new [21:40] ananke: keep your fetish to yourself :P [21:40] haha [21:40] lol [21:40] marter (~weechat@ip68-7-201-184.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Indeed [21:40] lol [21:40] Indeed [21:41] lol [21:41] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:42] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:46] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-65-104-97.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:47] Indeed [21:47] Quite [21:47] possibly [21:47] definitely [21:48] BP{k}: you killed it. :P [21:48] NaCl: i think wescotte would like a helping hand with flgrx [21:48] so did righteous [21:49] but righteous was chris punces [21:49] so, no dice for him :P [21:49] hahaha [21:49] I noticed that. :P [21:49] I'll brb [21:50] "10Mbps Unmetered Bandwidth" sounds like the cap is on speed and any amount can be transfered. am i interpretting this correctly? [21:50] sounds like it [21:50] be prepared that they probably oversell it [21:51] so in peak time you get like 5 [21:51] the rest, if they arent dorks, you get more [21:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] o/ hitest [21:53] slackwarebob (~bobby@adsl-76-249-233-171.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:54] nachox_ (~Ignacio@190.51.25.173) joined ##slackware. [21:54] tebolt (~root@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] hey what is the easiest way to set a timezone in linux [21:55] or better yet... how do i set date time and timezone.. [21:56] maybe tzselect ? [21:56] tebolt: timeconfig [21:56] nachox_ (~Ignacio@190.51.25.173) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:56] if you want to keep up to date with the time, cron a ntpdate or read up on ntpd and run that. [21:56] there we go.. thanks [21:57] jeev: i tried tzselect... [21:57] brb [21:57] tebolt (~root@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:57] how come his root didn't get banned [21:57] ban needs to be updated? [21:57] o/ macavity:) [21:57] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.25.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:59] jeev: slackboy isn't /op'd [21:59] Intel[R]VT-x_ (~chatzilla@124.43.149.59) joined ##slackware. [21:59] slackboy got hit by the pwn hammer [21:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] oh [22:01] how weird, who's RJ? and how come whois doesn't show them in here? [22:02] Intel[R]VT-x (~chatzilla@124.43.38.68) left irc: Ping timeout: 259 seconds [22:02] Nick change: Intel[R]VT-x_ -> Intel[R]VT-x [22:07] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] _____ (~Whatever@125-238-199-2.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:08] _____ (Whatever@125-238-199-2.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [22:08] _____ (~Whatever@125-238-199-2.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:09] slackwarebob (~bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] _____: get a nick will you :P [22:10] I can't believe what a piece of crap FF is. [22:10] you look at it and it crashes. [22:10] we've been waiting so long for you to enlighten us on that subject [22:10] ff works fine for me. [22:10] 3.6 is more stable from what I heard. [22:10] lol [22:11] There's only one feature that is preventing me from using chrome more [22:11] (smaller memory footprint). [22:11] Step 1. Eliminate *all* possible plugins, addons and extensions as possible stability killers. [22:11] crashes at startup while loading previously open session. [22:11] which was running fine for 3 days. [22:11] Step 2. Now you can test FF [22:12] slackwarebob: so three days of running it fine constitutes as 'crap' and 'looking at it crashes it'? [22:12] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:12] |l1n3 (~davi@201009166067.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:12] ananke: surely you can deduce some frustration and attribute exageration to the aforementioned frustration. [22:13] ananke: it's not that bad. but when I'm having a hard time just getting it to run so I can close some windows..... it's crashing. kinda frustrating. [22:13] slackwarebob: i have no pity for people who resort to juvenile bitching [22:13] ananke: no one asked you to have pity. [22:13] no one ask you to respond with juvenile bitching. [22:13] slackwarebob: no one asked you to join the channel and whine about firefox [22:13] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [22:13] I'm just relating my experience, and when everyone respond with their experience, it's helpful to know where most userbase stands. [22:14] no one asked you to join and respond to comments you don't like. [22:14] you could relate it with a sane bug report instead of calling it "crap" [22:14] slackwarebob: if you want counseling, try #flood [22:14] slackwarebob: have you eliminated all plugins, addons or extensions? [22:14] antiwire: well, like I said I was getting frustrated. And talking about it helps decide if it's a real bug or just a really messed up session. [22:14] including flash and java? [22:15] ananke: or you could just shut up. [22:15] slackwarebob: and vice versa [22:15] antiwire: true that. it's probably the flash plugin that was causing the issue. [22:15] ... [22:15] slackwarebob: or are you done whining like a five year old, and ready to actually resort to a productive conversation? [22:15] antiwire: which loaded fine on this run and the after closing the window, it's running ok. [22:16] ananke: conversation with a ninny like you? [22:16] wait. let me try this new ignore command. [22:16] slackwarebob: i see you're as mature as you appeared to be at first. [22:16] should i get an 80 or 160 gig ssd, hmm [22:16] it's double the price bt i dont really need the additional space. [22:16] ananke: and you're just as juvenile as you appeared to be the moment you said something. [22:17] thankfully the ignore works. [22:17] slackwarebob: about time, you imbecile [22:17] I'm running Firefox 3.6, nvidia beta drivers and the beta flash plugin. Is Firefox a little unstable? Hell yes. Can I clearly blame mozilla? Hell no. I'm covered in development blood. [22:18] _____ (~Whatever@125-238-199-2.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:18] Talk about "bleeding edge". :) [22:18] When people talk about browsers, plugins and stability they need to take video into account as well. [22:18] antiwire: how's the beta flush plugin? [22:18] It's getting better but isn't ready yet [22:19] Some performance issues have been fixed but others still persist [22:19] any interesting improvements over the current stable tree? [22:19] antiwire: running 3.5.2. I have noticed overall flash sites render better in konqueror on this system. [22:20] antiwire: mainly the problem is going back and forth between IE8 and FF3, I get frustrated when FF won't at least start so I can kill just the bad window. I'd like to save the session. [22:20] Well from my own experiences with the flash beta, hulu performs smoother but I notice the audio desyncing from the video streams more often [22:20] hmmm last time I tried hulu on KDE on gentoo, it wouldn't play very smooth in fullscreen mode but worked pretty good window mode. [22:21] slackwarebob: do you use the nvidia drivers? [22:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-8.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:21] I have installed the nvidia drivers and run the switch commands per instructions in the package. [22:21] slackwarebob: in that case, it is a known bug. disable hardware acceleration in the flash plugin and that will resolve the full screen mode. [22:22] ah, that was a while back. This laptop is running slackware. Let's see how the current nvidia drivers work on this laptop. [22:23] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] ok, I just started watching the office while testing. michael scott just included lady gaga with "drag queens". lol [22:24] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:25] antiwire: ok let me find the h/w acceleration settings for the flash plugin. [22:29] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-8.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [22:30] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:31] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-143.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[22:38] The KVM version of qemu supports 32/64bit hosts and quests. a 32 bit host can only support 32 bit guests. a 64bit host can support 32 or 64bit guests. [22:38] "grep -i vt /proc/cpuinfo" returns nothing, so, eh, I can't use kvm I suppose? [22:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-143.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [22:39] Urchlay: for Intel CPUs the flag is "vmx" [22:39] i've got a question...i just got a virtual server that is running slackware 12.0 and i want to upgrade it. i am not very familar with OpenVZ, but doesn't it prevent me from changing the kernel? if so, will I not be able to successfully upgrade? [22:39] nope, I haven't got that either (am on an old-ass amd64) [22:40] apparently regular qemu isn't working too well either (it got through a win2kpro install and reboot, now it's hanging at the text-mode "starting windows") [22:40] Urchlay: try booting windows with acpi disabled [22:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-143.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:41] hm, have no idea how to do that. F8 to get to the boot menu? [22:41] isnt pure software emulation epicly slow? [22:41] Urchlay: This is for KVM's qemu but the tips might help http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Guest_Support_Status [22:41] Urchlay: s/tips/comments [22:41] if nothing else it seems like half of the default packages are missing, which is killing me [22:41] maybe slackpkg can help [22:42] eh, great, it boots in safe mode at least [22:43] or maybe it doesn't, at least it got as far as showing a GUI "starting up" dialog this time [22:43] windows? safe mode?... when did they manage to get windows safe? we're screwed now! [22:44] lol [22:44] *shrug*, am only trying to do this so I can play the one windows game I still want to play (and no, it doesn't work in wine) [22:44] what are you playin? [22:45] that's going to be fun without hardware aid [22:45] macavity: yeah, I know. [22:45] slackwarebob: Age of Empires with Rise of Rome expansion [22:45] why not try vmware. It will be faster. [22:45] OMG LOL. [22:45] I totally play AoE for hours. [22:46] I was playing it for hours. I stopped ' [22:46] VBox OSE requires vt/vmx too, right? [22:46] which plays OK in virtualbox, but virtualbox is fundamentally incompatible with -rt patched kernels (I use this same machine for audio recording and kinda need the rt patch) [22:46] 'coz it was taking so much time. But hmmm qemu might be tough. vmware might work better. [22:46] ah, ok [22:46] -rt patch? realtime kernel? [22:46] Urchlay: how well is the -rt stuff comming now? [22:46] macavity: I dunno. VBox OSE does work on this machine (but not with the kernel I'm using now) [22:46] what do you record? [22:47] slackwarebob: myself playing bass & guitar, over drum tracks made with hydrogen [22:47] i think something godawful is wrong with this box [22:47] it takes me about 2 minutes to login through ssh [22:47] nice, I think we talked about recording on linux before too. :) [22:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-143.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:47] zaltekk: sounds like dns issues. [22:47] not using dns [22:47] macavity: well the latest -rt patch at least managed not to crash when playing drum loops in hydrogen, I guess that's improvement... [22:48] zaltekk: not using dns doesn't mean you won't run into dns issues [22:48] zaltekk: type "route".. if it takes two minutes to give you the prompt back you got DNS issues [22:48] route was instant [22:48] hehe, do you care about drum machine sound or about all that stuff? Like trying to get them sounding as realistic as possible? [22:48] good, one down [22:49] Urchlay: obviously [22:49] zaltekk: ssh -vvv, also check the logs on the server [22:49] i know that 192.168.x.x is reserved for local ips...but 192.0.2.1 wouldn't be...correct? [22:49] Urchlay: i would just so wish that Linus would allow them as experimental in the main tree so they would get more exposure [22:49] eh, I don't really care about making them "perfect" right now, just doing demos to show the rest of my band (which includes an actual drummer)... but I do use sample sets that were recorded by someone hitting real drums [22:50] zaltekk: correct [22:50] macavity: yeah [22:50] but again.. Linus is an ass :P [22:50] OK, qemu is apparently a complete bust, here [22:50] i'm wondering why my default gateway is 192.0.2.1 [22:50] zaltekk: actually, run 'whois 192.0.2.1', seems it's reserved [22:50] running "qemu -no-acpi" results in win2k rebooting every 10 sec or so [22:51] without the -no-acpi, it hangs before switching into graphics mode [22:51] ah, true [22:51] why not just dual boot with windows? [22:51] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-143.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:51] AoE experience would be so much faster. [22:51] you could turn on lot of FX. [22:51] because I multitask [22:51] well, that would be affected, then. [22:51] also because I just plain don't want to sit and wait for reboots [22:52] (of either OS) [22:52] that's one thing I like about having a win7 desktop and a linux laptop. kinda use both non stop. [22:52] My system is a T7100 (core 2 Duo) and it has the vmx flags which support KVM and KVM's qemu. The VMs I run in a KVM vm run around 90-99% of my native, non vm speed [22:52] true, reboots seems hart to wait for, no matter how fast. [22:52] I have windows for one purpose, playing this one old game... and honestly, if I can't get it to work any more, screwwit, I'll find a new game to play, or quit playing games (it's not really important) [22:53] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:53] hehe, AoE is pretty cool tho. I love strategizing. But after a while it gets old 'coz you've beaten all the scenarios. [22:53] I wish they kept making it. [22:53] (eh. except MAME and Atari 800 games, but those emulators are Just Fine in slackware) [22:53] okay...this is weird. i just went to /pub/slackware/slackware-12.0/extra/slackpkg [22:54] i installed the slackpkg there, and it doesn't have 12.0 mirrors [22:54] zaltekk: you sure it didn't install /etc/slackpkg/mirrors.new and leave your old mirrors alone? [22:54] slackwarebob: play skirmishes! [22:54] slackwarebob: that's what I do. [22:54] 20QAAAAJB (~wafflez@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:54] Urchlay: there wasn't an old copy of slackpkg [22:55] ok, nevermind, was taking a wild guess [22:55] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:56] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-143.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [22:56] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:56] hwk (~hwk@CPE-124-176-255-119.lns6.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:57] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [22:57] paul424: we happy? [22:57] zaltekk: you could always adjust the mirror line and add your favourite 12.0 mirror. [22:57] hhee nope :( [22:57] lilo didnt buy the trick? [22:57] BP{k}: it just makes me worry that something else is wrong [22:57] seems it didn't [22:58] I tried on both kernels [22:58] i'm going to try a different source for slackpkg [22:58] did it bitch at you when you ran lilo -b? [22:59] hm. FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/2.6.31.6-rt19/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): Operation not supported [22:59] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-74.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:59] hmm no it didn't ... on the older kernel it said won;t make an backupcopy [22:59] meaning what, my CPU doesn't support the extension(s) needed by kvm? [22:59] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] also I didn't did the -b on newer kernel [22:59] was root mounted rw? [22:59] yes [23:00] because the newer kernel detects / as sda? [23:00] the problem it was that the partions weere unattached improperly but i run fsc2k2 [23:00] yes [23:01] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] if you got to boot a kernel that detects it as sda, then it is beyond me why lilo doesnt work as adverticed [23:01] i'm very disappointed in this server =/ [23:01] yeah I even reinstalled the kernel packages [23:01] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-74.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:02] screw this, no game is worth this much effort [23:02] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-74.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:02] sftp'd the new copy of slackpkg at 0.4KB/s [23:02] paul424: hard re-install with the DVD iso i gave you a link with... its tough, but i think it is going to take less time [23:02] even though my upstream here is over 2Mbit [23:02] zaltekk: great speed [23:02] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:02] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:03] %-) [23:03] lol [23:03] My pipes usually pull from osuosl over rsync at arounf 500-600kbps [23:03] macavity: yeah I think so ee could you pass that link again ? [23:03] sftp: man, why are you doing something like that to zaltekk? :P [23:03] zaltekk: btw, curious this on a VPS? [23:03] yes [23:03] paul424: sure, comming right up [23:03] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:04] paul424: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/slackware-current-02_Feb_2010-DVD.iso [23:04] zaltekk: who did you go with, in the end? [23:04] also no , i thought about what those situation differs between , but notice if the hugesmp.x form cd is the same as now installed then the parameters are wrong , I mean I should boot my kernel [23:04] BP{k}: well, i am trying a really small place called fivebeans.com [23:04] since it is still way more than i need [23:04] with rdinit= ro [23:04] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] and from the few reviews i found, it was suppose to be a gem of a place [23:05] paul424: no, you still boot the kernel on the CD, but with your own / [23:05] how did they remove awk from the installation image? [23:06] uhg [23:06] macavity: uhh, what I was mean was whether does two kernels are binary equal [23:06] zaltekk: ouch. [23:06] if so only the parameters might difffer ... what this rdinit= ro does ? [23:06] i also noticed wget, vim, which, and a bunch of other common commands are missing [23:06] and there isn't a text browser, so i can't retreive files in almost any way [23:06] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-87-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] curl? [23:06] ssh? [23:07] i'm using sftp [23:07] at less than 1KB/s [23:07] paul424: it unsets the variable that points to the initrd, and makes sure the / gets mounted ro (as it should, fstab remounts it rw a little later) [23:07] diw [23:07] paul424: if you dont unset the initrd you end up in the installer [23:07] weak cpu? [23:08] zaltekk: Which VPS is it hosted through? [23:08] OpenVZ [23:08] zaltekk: don't use me, please :) [23:08] =[ [23:08] [04-02-2010][01:19] ( zaltekk) can anyone recommend a slackware virtual server host to me? preferably something like xen and not openvz [23:09] o.O ... heh. [23:09] BP{k}: yes, i know. but this was dirt cheap [23:09] and i was told good things [23:09] now you know why [23:09] lol [23:09] i know why it is dirt cheap [23:09] linode is what i hear good things about [23:09] i don't know why i heard good things [23:09] lol [23:09] zaltekk++ [23:09] I hear linode is good but they eat their cake too. [23:09] linode [23:10] linode++ [23:10] rapidxen+++ [23:10] macavity: yeah the only way to find that out would be to dissect step by step those two methods of booting and how they are booting .... [23:11] I mean which peace of software mounts this root dir ? [23:11] paul424: rc.S does [23:11] i know this backwards and forward [23:11] hmm and its the same on them both ? [23:12] CcSsNET: rapidxen seems to be a bit arsey about slackware. [23:12] the first argument (ro) gets passed to the kernel (which is the one from the CD) [23:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-74.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:12] where would I find awk? a? d? [23:12] paul424: on which both? [23:12] zaltekk: a/ [23:12] paul424: usb and CD? [23:12] paul424: if thats the question, then yes [23:12] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:12] bp then create an image and send them that [23:12] nope lilo and cd ... [23:12] CcSsNET: why? I am quite happy with linode. [23:12] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [23:12] eh [23:13] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [23:13] paul424: lilo loads the kernel on your hardisk, and it's read-only stanza is identical to the ro one [23:13] paul424: same thing happens, different kernel [23:14] same thing happens, different kernel ?could you eerr use the fuul senctence [23:14] same boot procedure happens, same things happen at the same time.. but instead of the kernel from the CD you get the kernel from /boot on your harddisk [23:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:15] uhh but they are identical ... uhh don't they .. they do have the same numbers [23:15] umm maybe I could put this kernel there and it would work from windows ? [23:15] then they should, to all intends and purposes be the same :P [23:15] no [23:16] that is why you have to run lilo *every time* [23:16] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:16] if you update lilo.conf, or any of the files that lilo.conf points to you *have to run lilo* [23:16] aha it does that calculation etc ... [23:16] and move copies to the superblock... [23:16] among other things :P [23:16] where it is on the disck geometry I get it [23:17] really.. since nothing i have put you through has worked (despite having worked for me plenty of times before), i think the DVD solution is the fastest way out [23:18] uhhm ok uhh I m so stupid [23:18] now I see hmm there was a hugesmp.s and I try to boot the generic ... uhh [23:18] usus12jari (~ashe@114.58.226.233) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:18] embaressing [23:18] i dont know if you have missunderstood some of the steps, or if there is something more wrong with your system than kernel versions... but really, a reinstall is always going to work [23:18] what is the command to update bash's command cache? [23:19] macavity: uhh I will try again then :) [23:20] and dont take it so hard.. i spent my first PC years re-installing.. i had a freind who was kind enough to show me how to do that :P [23:20] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] when knowledge wont solve the problem: wipe and start over! :P [23:20] yeah you see when there is one flaw it is easy to detect and fix it. [23:20] but when it is several of them cumulated its hell to get through them. [23:21] lol [23:21] and when you have been running slackware for ~10 years you kinda get to know your way around it :P [23:21] slackwarebob: whats so funny [23:21] macavity: haha, my personal motto for fixing most computer problems is "if in doubt, reboot" [23:21] macavity saying when you can't fix it, solve it by starting over. [23:21] diff is missing too...*!@#$ [23:21] it's something I've personally done many times. [23:22] works well doesn't it. [23:22] zaltekk: expect it to be stripped down to "uhm, httpd and ftp was what you wanted, right?" [23:22] I have as well. [23:22] macavity: i'd be suprised if it even has php [23:22] zaltekk: what distro are u running [23:22] zaltekk: probably does... and it is probably old and unpatched :P [23:23] paul424: some bastardized slackware12.0 vps installation [23:23] crippledware :P [23:23] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] slackware -1.5*i ? [23:23] heya,slackers [23:23] zaltekk: write them a legal letter stating that changes this big constitutes a fork... they have to change the name to smackware ;-) [23:24] paul424: LOL!!! [23:24] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [23:24] paul424: it took a couble of secs for that one to click in :P [23:24] well most VPS installs are quite trimmed down. I know linode's image is pretty much the bare minium, workable but don't expect too much. [23:24] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:24] BP{k}: do they have slackpkg on there as default? [23:25] usus12jari (~ashe@114.58.81.176) joined ##slackware. [23:25] macavity: no, I don't think they had. [23:25] wget? [23:25] es [23:25] yes. [23:25] ok.. then all is good :P [23:25] okay, finally got slackpkg running [23:26] does it support package sets? [23:26] wget rsync, wget slackpkg, rsync $MIRROR $DEST .. ;) [23:26] having to sftp in bashget.sh to get to download stuff sucks.. [23:26] Sydney Python (SyPy) Meeting Tonight - http://tinyurl.com/yhsls3f [23:27] who is Sidney Python?... sounds like a porn star... is that why you hold meetings about her? [23:27] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [23:28] BP{k}: is there any way to have slackpkg install all of, say, a ap and n without getting stuff like kde? [23:28] zaltekk: yes. [23:28] slackpkg install ap [23:28] zaltekk: man slackpkg ;) [23:28] uhh but I suppose I will be in a minute back .. cause the nvidia drivers won;t work there ... I mean it ask for some legacy gcc versions ... uhh wait [23:29] I'd never used that feature of slackpkg until recently. It's quite nice. [23:29] I have downloaded Java JRE and JDK from the Sun site. What are the typical directories that Java SDK should be installed in on Slackware? When I did run the file in my home directory, it was installed in the local directory. [23:29] and yeah, Linode's slackware install is VERY slim, but it still works fine. Just add the packages u want [23:29] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:29] kleanchap, did it opt it? [23:30] usus12jari (~ashe@114.58.81.176) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:30] I took an OpenVZ image of Slackware (12.0) that had *nothing* to work with, not even network, and managed to get it upgraded to 12.2 and reimaged. Now there's at least one openvz hosting provider with an uptodate Slackware image :) [23:30] kleanchap: take the java{jre/sdk} .SlackBuild files from your local ftp mirror [23:30] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [23:30] rworkman: i am working on it [23:30] kleanchap: sdk is in extra/ [23:30] zaltekk: it=? [23:31] macavity, Is this openjdk? [23:31] doing teh same thing. almost. [23:31] zaltekk: decided against a linode eh? [23:31] zaltekk: ah. chainhost.com might be worth perusing then :) [23:31] rworkman, how are you? [23:31] agentc0re: no. trying a dirt cheap place for this first though [23:31] macavity, I want to install JDK with JavaFX. [23:31] sounds like a waste of time [23:31] Delahunt: alive. That's a win after the last two weeks I've had. [23:31] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:31] it may be [23:31] kleanchap: you are talking russian to me.. look over the .SlackBuild files if you want to know what-goes-where [23:32] the current has gcc-4.4.3 and the nvidia 190.42 has umm lee me see [23:32] rworkman, what's been up [23:32] Oh, chainhost isn't open for business yet. Oh well, sorry. [23:32] kleanchap: and if its the same software that slackware ships with, just in more recent versions, you may even use the scripts to build it [23:33] paul424: i am rather sure it is not a compiler issue.. as all the nvidia binary install script does is linking [23:33] macavity, Thnx. I will check that out. [23:33] A local guy started up chainhost recently, so I was helping him with a Slackware image. Once it's open, they'll have a 12.2 image that "just works" :) [23:33] paul424: much more likely that you dont have kernel source installed [23:33] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:33] Delahunt: I've been sick. Bronchitis, H1N1, now perotitis. [23:33] ouch [23:33] ok ok going thanks for all ,,,, be back in the minute [23:33] oh shit [23:33] macavity: ? [23:33] H1N1 is child's play. [23:33] Seriously. [23:34] rworkman: you are just getting *All* the fun. [23:34] okay, i think i have that working properly. one more question though, BP{k}: [23:34] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558] [23:34] I didn't even realize I had it - I thought it was just the bronchitis kicking my ass (turns out I had both). [23:34] macavity, Do you ever sleep? You were here last night before I went to bed. :-) Same is true with AlienBOB. [23:34] will slackpkg install-new install all package sets? [23:34] :-) [23:34] BP{k}: do tell. [23:34] kleanchap: i am a bot written in elisp my RMS [23:34] rworkman, i've been doing 12s in 8 degree (F) weather out here [23:34] maybe i should do slackpkg clean-system and then install each set individually [23:34] kleanchap, probably just idling:P [23:35] zaltekk: it will install packages that were added to Slackware in that release. [23:35] rworkman, i finally found flags that slackware likes for cross-compiling though [23:35] Delahunt: wow, that's cold. [23:35] rworkman: but say there is a new package in kde... [23:35] and i don't have anything from kde installed [23:35] will it install that package anyway? [23:35] zaltekk: slackpkg will prompt for everything - look over the list before confirming. [23:35] rworkman, and i got a $170 asus 900a test subject (http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/linux/asus/asus.html) [23:35] rworkman: oh, btw, that writeup you have about the libata switch.. it kind of forgets that lilo refuses to parse a lilo.conf that has devicenodes that doesnt exist [yet] [23:36] macavity: oops. Feel free to fix it up in a pastebin and I'll merge them on the server [23:36] NatureTM (~a@unaffiliated/naturetm) joined ##slackware. [23:36] Sorry - I haven't done that in a while, and honestly, the howto was written from a theoretical perspective :) [23:37] Delahunt: please, take it appart and tell me if it has an ITE IT8510E SuperIO/EC, and also, what type of flash memory is int it? (probably TSS or PMC) [23:37] Delahunt: wow, what did that set you back? [23:37] er, ignore [23:37] $170 isn't bad at all. Very nice. [23:37] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [23:37] Delahunt: I'm using that same model of eeepc right now. [23:38] Delahunt: Good little machine. [23:38] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:38] rworkman: so far i dont have other fixes than "uhm, prepare a bootable usb drive with usbimg2disk.sh and use that to get your system up and running so you can fix lilo" [23:38] hi, I'm about to install slackware 13 on toshiba laptop but I don't thing my hdd is detected. there's no /dev/sd* or hd* devices. should I be looking for another dev name? [23:39] hwk: ok, then you take it appart :P [23:39] hwk: i need the info coreboot :-) [23:39] hwk, for $170 it can't be beat (rworkman) [23:39] macavity: okay, I'll try to find time to do a 13.0 install and then the upgrade to -current soon then. [23:39] um it's on the web. you want to know what motherboard it has? and flash memory? [23:40] ^ macavity [23:40] Delahunt, its even better for a swap of a desktop, had some spare hardware sitting around so i built a desktop PC and traded it for this. [23:40] rworkman: i havent tried in practice, and it didnt fly for paul424 (ok, that doesnt rule out a thing), but my theory is to go mknod on the bastard [23:40] Delahunt: i want to know what SuperIO it has [23:41] macavity: why do you need the info coreboot? [23:41] macavity, ok how do i find out? [23:41] Nah, I know you can just run lilo without any edits, then edit /etc/fstab, then reboot. At the boot prompt, do "root=/dev/sda1" and it should boot. [23:41] Delahunt: take it appart and look at all the chips [23:42] Then you fix lilo.conf and re-run lilo [23:42] macavity, ok i don't have time but you're free to go buy a refurbished one yourself 8-) [23:42] NatureTM, just to make sure, you've made partitions on the hard drive correct? [23:42] or look online, i think i once found a website with pictures of an entire disassembly [23:43] hwk: because i am the guy who is writing suppoort for the IT851x for coreboot.. i happen to have it in my S96F (very similar to the EeePC, but bigger) [23:43] rworkman: I am not able to update the kernel if I am running under OpenVZ, correct? [23:43] hwk: coreboot is a free software BIOS [23:43] hwk I can't even find a dev to partition [23:44] are they called things other than sd* or hd*? [23:44] I think my disk is undetectedx [23:44] macavity: oh alright, what kind of info do you need for it? [23:44] NatureTM: is it a SSD? [23:45] hwk: if you can find the superio on it (you cant detect that with software *yet*) [23:45] oh, wait.. you can [23:45] i haz patch :-) [23:45] no, laptop. sata I think [23:45] that is, if it is rigged *exactly* like mine [23:45] ubuntu detected it [23:46] ubuntu has a recent kernel.. 13.0 does not [23:46] NatureTM: alright well as far as I know sd* and hd* are all they are under. [23:46] oh well. semi recent [23:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [23:46] is there a boot option for more recent? [23:46] nope [23:46] no, the new kernel isn't included in 12 [23:46] usus12jari (~ashe@114.56.206.48) joined ##slackware. [23:46] 13 [23:46] yeah [23:47] 13.0 has .29.7 iirc [23:47] or is it .27.9? [23:47] how about I check? [23:47] `2.6.29.6 [23:47] ah [23:47] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:47] what kinda weird stuff would I have that is only in recent kernel? [23:47] NatureTM: it could be as simple as one chip with more than one PCI ID [23:47] BP{k} is right. [23:47] NatureTM: that happens all the time [23:48] ok that sucks [23:48] oh well [23:48] hwk: well ofcourse he is :P [23:48] haha [23:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [23:48] like macavity said: "that happends all the time" ;) [23:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [23:48] ok, you've been right enough for one day... smartarse [23:48] haha [23:49] yeah it STILL happens all the time with ALSA Intel HD Audio [23:49] Action: Delahunt points to random spurious firmware/chipset reconfigs that throw audacious and other players for a loop [23:49] i never knew this day would come.. but the next system i get is going to be *NOT*-intel [23:50] seriously.. i am so fscking fed up with them [23:50] zaltekk: that's correct [23:50] i still like intel personally, but i don't prefer any hardware manufacturer [23:50] rworkman: so can i upgrade from 12.0 to 12.1 and then 12.2 safely? [23:50] in fact i was really hoping for a netbook with via ace padlock but oh well i can dream can't i? 8-) [23:50] intel makes my life a bitch... everything i do on his machine happens with a disassembler and a glass of aspirin [23:51] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:51] on AMD and VIA you just download the freaking spec sheet [23:51] err.. data sheet [23:51] zaltekk: well, it's not really supported, but I went from 12.0 to 12.2 directly :) [23:51] I do like my AMD/ATi CPU's and graphics cards. [23:51] zaltekk: you *must* preserve the changes in the init scripts too; do NOT blindly overwrite them [23:51] rworkman: you dont count... since you write the guides :P [23:51] plus, i am doing it over ssh, so i couldn't do single user mode [23:52] YAY the movers are here with my household goods \o/ [23:52] zaltekk: that's okay. Single user mode is impossible in openvz :) [23:52] macavity: yeah, I figured that ;-) [23:52] Action: Delahunt is going to turn his toshiba laptop back on for the first time in a year, good old pentium-m sweetness lol [23:52] hwk: i like that i can get documentation for their stuff so i can write a BIOS for whatever board i happen to have [23:53] hwk: you have *no* idea what kind of a hassle that is with intel [23:53] uhh I am on xcfce4 now, it has such a nice clear fonts ... will have to install them on kde [23:53] oh great, they screwed up some of hte packages too [23:53] Delahunt: Ha. I have a P3 acer sitting next to me [23:53] man i really wish i could have four separately-socketed pentium-m dothans (2mb L2 cache each) [23:53] it can't find apache or php or openssl to uninstall [23:53] hwk, laptop? [23:53] yeah [23:54] hwk, i'm working on a cross-compile that will be i686 but mtune=core2 [23:54] I wouldn't use it as a laptop though, I might want kids. [23:54] Delahunt: CLFS is the fastest way to understanding cross compilers [23:54] imho [23:54] macavity, i've got it open in xpdf on desktop 2 in xfce right now 8-) [23:55] then get hacking [23:55] NatureTM (~a@unaffiliated/naturetm) left irc: [23:55] macavity: No I don't. The closest thing I know to a programming language is HTML, which I don't think really counts anymore [23:55] its actually pretty straight forward.. it's obvious that gcc has been used to boot strap god knows how many systems :P [23:55] macavity, what do you think the OTHER laptop is doing? 8-) [23:56] hwk: ok.. no data sheet = man years to support a chipset [23:57] macavity: ok, I knew there was a reason I like AMD. [23:57] Intel has seen the last dime from me.. period [23:58] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [23:58] I only get it in laptops [23:58] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:58] unless they come around [23:58] this eeepc doesn't come with an AMD CPU [23:58] no, its i945/ICH7-M with an Atom [23:59] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [23:59] i945GM to be precise [23:59] Yeah. I know. but I just like the eeepc though. good concept [23:59] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:59] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [23:59] and now I can take my geekiness where ever I go. [23:59] yes.. i945 happens to be the only "recent" intel chipset coreboot has support for [00:00] --- Thu Feb 4 2010