[00:00] roger [00:00] personally i prefere firewire800 for external disks [00:00] but.. price :P [00:00] so do I [00:00] my lappy has a port too. [00:01] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [00:01] that qnap has an esata port on it [00:01] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [00:01] my laptop only has a wirewire400 port.. though, i have yet to see a commodity drive delive to max that out [00:02] anyways.. time to hit the bunk.. its bloody 6 o'clock in the morning (again) [00:02] night hackers [00:02] jebus only 12 here [00:02] night macavity sleep well [00:03] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...ZzZzZzZz.. slaaaaackwaaaaaare... ZzZzZzZ" [00:08] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [00:09] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:13] yep just after midnight here too [00:13] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] SM177Y: how'd it go? [00:13] ~45 till here. [00:13] no go [00:13] lol [00:13] tried like 3 times [00:13] damn [00:13] so alsactl store did nothing? [00:14] oh its working fine. just for some reason its just loading up the asound.state file right or something [00:14] eh [00:14] isn't loading it right? [00:14] sry [00:14] it isnt loading it [00:14] yes [00:15] weird [00:15] so if you go into alsamixer now all your stuff.... waaaaaait [00:15] ya i know lol [00:15] does anything say MM on it? [00:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:15] are the levels set.. but you have MM on anything? [00:15] MM? [00:15] MM == mute [00:15] lol [00:15] hehe [00:15] press 'M' to unmute [00:15] no theyre not muted [00:15] let me guess.. they are all to MM? [00:16] damn it [00:16] ok then what is OO [00:16] lol [00:16] theres OO and MM [00:17] anything with MM needs to be selected an unmuted with M [00:17] and turn the volumes up on them [00:17] ya i know. im in alsamixer, i can mute and unmute my channels and such and they arent muted or anything and the channels i need are turned up [00:18] what about PCM? [00:18] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [00:18] or master? [00:18] and if i use alsactl restore it loads. idk [00:18] weird [00:18] my pcm changes to w.e. i want with my volume buttons on my keyboard lol [00:18] did you run alsactl store? [00:18] hehe [00:18] yes [00:18] OO just means it's not muted [00:19] danc3: kk [00:20] ok so if my /etc/asound.state is saving just fine and able to be loaded once im already booted up, cant i just use a script to use /usr/sbin/alsactl restore during logon? [00:20] it should do that already [00:20] i dont see why that wouldnt work. just weird that it doesnt work how it should [00:20] the init scripts should already do that [00:21] they say they do lol [00:21] but they dont [00:21] le tme test something here on my box.. brb [00:21] aight [00:22] SM177Y, do you have any usb sound devices? [00:22] no [00:22] im looking at my rc.alsa right now and it should work just fine but its not lol [00:25] I just replicated the same issue on slamd64... [00:25] well thats lame [00:25] lol [00:25] it can be fixed [00:25] is it just a simple bug then? [00:25] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [00:26] bc im looking at my rc.alsa, my asound.state and everything is just how it should be. idk im :S [00:26] SM177Y: is rc.alsa +x ? [00:26] ill check [00:26] if it isn't.. that's the problem [00:27] that might do it [00:27] ill be back [00:27] ok [00:27] lol [00:27] yeah, that might be it.... [00:27] I'm 99.9% sure that's it [00:27] ;) [00:27] cause I just replicated the same issue on my laptop [00:27] ok [00:28] should i use +x or a+x? [00:28] chmod 755 rc.alsa [00:28] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [00:28] aight [00:28] alright well here goes [00:28] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "[BX] Harry Potter uses BitchX. Shouldn't you?" [00:29] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Crazy-T (n=Crazy-T@82-36-214-136.cable.ubr04.king.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Do me a favor please Click this link so i get more points after it loads u can exit it please? http://www.DesignsBySiCK.com/?pointsfor=nheimberg [00:30] fuck you [00:30] Crazy-T: bugger off [00:30] Crazy-T: no [00:30] Crazy-T: go spam a channel that cares [00:30] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [00:30] please [00:30] it gets me points [00:30] we don't care. [00:30] fuck you, you little wanker [00:30] all u do have 2 click it so i get points [00:30] it gets you ban [00:30] and then u can click of it [00:30] nor do we know you. GO away. [00:30] Crazy-T: if you get points i expect to receive my cut [00:31] our cut is 120% [00:31] lol [00:31] please [00:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:31] :D [00:31] or it's swimming with the fishes for you [00:31] Crazy-T: i hope that you are using a proxy because we all know where to find you n=Crazy-T@82-36-214-136.cable.ubr04.king.blueyonder.co.uk [00:31] Crazy-T: we can arrange you to get banned, too. [00:31] Crazy-T: we expect our share. [00:31] this is no joke. [00:32] get me banned from this channel :D [00:32] ? [00:32] indeed [00:32] yes. [00:32] nullboy doesn't laugh [00:32] run along, punk [00:32] Do me a favor please Click this link so i get more points after it loads u can exit it please? http://www.DesignsBySiCK.com/?pointsfor=nheimberg [00:32] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:32] lol [00:32] Crazy-T (n=Crazy-T@82-36-214-136.cable.ubr04.king.blueyonder.co.uk) left ##slackware. [00:32] banned [00:32] fail troll has failed [00:32] what and e-tard [00:33] I'm gonna vote for the other guys [00:33] Damn. Too late. [00:34] I wonder if he'd come back if someone were nice to him in a pm. I'd just like to see my ban msg. ;) [00:34] rworkman: go ahead [00:34] rworkman: he doesn't know you [00:34] haha. That would be wrong. :) [00:34] too bad their site sucks, since I can't find where to vote for someone. [00:35] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Well, we should all get to see it: ban *@82-36-214-136.cable.ubr04.king.blueyonder.co.uk ##slackware How about some dumbass points? Don't spam channels. [00:35] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:35] damn i walk away for a min and stuff happens [00:35] every time [00:35] <_NaCl_> 'twas amusing [00:35] its all good now thanks guys [00:35] Go away again then. [00:35] SM177Y: aha [00:35] Action: danc3 is downloading Slackware 2.0.1 ;) [00:35] why wouldnt the rc.alsa be executable in the first place? [00:36] rworkman no i leave and stuff happens. [00:36] drives me crazy [00:36] lotec: I understood that. I was being a smartass. Turn your sarcasm detector back on. [00:36] SM177Y: is this a fresh install? What version? [00:36] you are the glue that holds everything together lotec [00:36] rworkman: maybe you should start issueing darwin points. [00:36] XGizzmo: Hrm, I like that. [00:36] mrselfpwn: thank you now i feel all warm and happy [00:37] Sounds like that gooey stuff isn't glue. [00:37] lol [00:37] ive had this up for a while now im on slamd 12.1 [00:37] rworkman i know what u did last weekend [00:37] SM177Y: umm, I don't know about that one [00:37] SM177Y: it was +x on my 12.0 installation [00:37] lotec: that's nice. What was it, because damned if I remember. [00:37] i think dominian knew that so he tried it on his lol [00:37] it's like peeing yourself in black pants, it makes you feel all warm inside, but no one notices. [00:37] Dominian:thx [00:38] rworkman: it was a joke relax [00:38] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:38] lotec: you need not to take rworkman so seriously [00:38] No one else does. [00:38] Right. :) [00:38] thumbs: i know i know [00:39] screw this /me walks away from computer again [00:39] yay! Now we can start partying again [00:39] rworkman: wicd rocks, appreciate you helping me with that a few nights ago (the r213 build). [00:39] danc3: good to hear. [00:40] wicd rocks. [00:40] danc3: hoping for a 1.5.8 release soon. Lots of work going on in the experimental branch too. [00:40] excellent, keep up the great work! [00:40] Fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-71-57-244-255.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:40] I'm just packaging it, for the most part. I don't do any of the heavy lifting :) [00:41] and you wrote the man page... ;) [00:41] oh yeah, forgot about that. Minor stuff still :) [00:41] SM177Y: everything working now? [00:42] yep :) [00:42] hehe [00:42] rworkman puts the man in man page [00:42] heh i was browsing a slack 3.3 dir earlier [00:42] SM177Y: sweet [00:42] rworkman: That Crazy-T guy jumped into ##mac spamming the same thing. I have him +q right now and am trying to get him k-lined. [00:43] Dominian: hey you know how far slamd12.2 is? [00:43] FriedBob: good. Asshat... [00:43] SM177Y: its not too far off [00:43] SM177Y: gotta wait for fred to get to a "real" internet connection [00:43] he's kind of out of it technology wise right now [00:43] o [00:43] lucky him [00:43] whys that? [00:44] SM177Y: We finally found a fix for stupid real time clock thing though.. [00:44] was about to piss me off earlier today [00:44] SM177Y: He's out in the country visiting his parents iirc [00:44] lol nice [00:44] oh ok. [00:44] http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-3.3/ package list is not even that differrent :P [00:44] werdan7 (n=w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7) joined ##slackware. [00:45] sahko: slackware was simple, and still simple [00:45] sahko: the package count is higher, of course. [00:45] dizbin (n=dizbin@c-24-19-155-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] ofc [00:46] Dominian: modprobe rtc-cmos :) [00:46] ? [00:46] the dir structure with a1,a2 etc is weird [00:47] rworkman: not a true "fix" in my mind [00:47] its the alias in modprobe.d/isapnp that was the issue [00:47] Oh? I was kidding actually - that was just a lame guess. :) What's the problem? [00:47] hehe [00:48] it appears that slackware isn't affected.. and the issue seems to be reported in x86_64 distros.. but a change has to be made to /etc/modprobe.d/isapnp to get the rtc-cmos stuff to load properly [00:48] ah, ok [00:48] which.. we've done.. tested.. and works. [00:48] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:48] rworkman: I worked on it a bunch while at work today. [00:48] cool [00:49] I suppose I could upgrade to 12.2 tomorrow [00:50] rworkman: We should all file a support ticket about him spamming too. Maybe we can cost him all his points. [00:50] spamming what? [00:50] what did I miss [00:51] That Crazy-T guy [00:51] FriedBob: you mean with his ISP ? :D [00:51] rworkman: That too, but I wasn't thinking that big yet. [00:51] OOhhh. You mean with the point people or whomever. [00:51] how do you file such a report? He's been bothering me with PM's [00:52] wtf [00:52] haha [00:52] points? [00:52] points for what? [00:52] dork points [00:52] give me his IP.. I'll get some people on him.. he'll disappear :P [00:52] Dominian:some sort of contest it seemed - he wanted us to go vote for him [00:52] danc3: I went designsbysick.com then found the helpdesk and am opening a ticket. [00:52] uh huh [00:52] FriedBob: ok cool [00:52] He wantspoints to get free embroider designs [00:52] So he's cheating [00:52] basically [00:52] Which is why I think we should all open a support ticket about him. [00:52] haha [00:53] HIs username there is mheimberg [00:53] not the kind of votes he was counting on [00:53] nheimberg, sorry [00:53] I love it. [00:53] I would, but I need to get samba up and running before I go to bed tonight [00:53] It'll take seconds. [00:53] http://www.designsbysick.com/helpdesk/index.php?a=add [00:54] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Connection timed out [00:55] FriedBob: done [00:57] Excellent. [00:59] I don't know if they'll do anything about it [00:59] ok so is there a way to cose the cmd line and keep the process running? [00:59] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) joined ##slackware. [01:00] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Yeah. But it can't hurt. I hope. And if enough report... [01:00] lotec: If you can send it to BG, yes. [01:00] lotec: look at the "nohup" command, or the "disown" command [01:00] lotec: screen [01:00] ctrl+z, bg [01:00] FriedBob: Your ticket has been successfully submitted! Ticket ID: XJJ3LPZ8W9 [01:00] i know screen [01:00] Your ticket has been successfully submitted! Ticket ID: Q3YJ7BN18R [01:00] danc3: OPers may be getting in touch with you, BTW [01:00] but it is all ready running [01:00] lotec: disown [01:00] FriedBob: kk [01:00] and i dont want to kill the connection and the cp stop [01:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-154.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:01] I told one he was bugging you in PM [01:01] FriedBob: cool, all is logged [01:02] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-186-76.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] lotec: if you haven't backgrounded it yet, do a Control-Z (which temporarily pauses the running process), then use the "bg" command to push it to the background. Then "disown" to separate it from your terminal so you can log out [01:03] rk4n3 reading the man page on disown never used it before [01:03] it's a nice command. [01:07] man bash is huuuuge, but useful [01:07] If you want to crash your computer man woman. [01:07] lol [01:08] well that does not work [01:08] this box does not have the cmd built in [01:08] i added a sound control applet to my kde pannel and now its gone. any ideas how i restore it? Its not even in the list of applets to add now. [01:08] lotec: define does not work [01:08] nor does it have screen [01:08] lotec: crap [01:08] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] other options? [01:09] is it nohub cp -r /path/etc ? [01:09] lotec: box doesn't have what cmd built in ? [01:09] lotec: the command has to be launched with nohup [01:09] rk4n3 disown [01:09] lotec: ah, bummer [01:09] i have disown but no manpage for it [01:10] nor is screen on the box [01:10] Sounds likea personal problem to me. [01:10] lotec: what shell are you in ? [01:10] disown is a bash builtin. its in bash's manpage [01:10] ah [01:10] lotec: bash and ksh both have a "disown" builtin [01:10] are you using tcsh? [01:11] rk4ns to be truthfull i have no idea wtf it is [01:11] not bash for sure [01:12] lotec: have you been able to push the process to the background at all yet ? (control-z and "bg" command) [01:12] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:12] lotec: ... if so, just to a "ps" to see what your shell process is [01:12] s/to/do [01:13] no it will not push to the background CTRL z does nothing [01:13] lotec: it would be helpful if you could perhaps log in again and see what shell your userid gets... [01:13] how come firefox hangs when i click the fullscreen button in youtube? [01:13] (separate login, of course) [01:14] mrselfpwn: disable flash hardware acceleration [01:14] right click the flash video windoe [01:14] window [01:14] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [01:14] ok [01:14] rk4n3 [~] # [01:14] rk4ns [~] # [01:14] i bet that will solve a lot of my problems with flash [01:14] thank you rworkman [01:15] uva (i=bono@220-136-228-204.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] lotec: OK, do a "ps" and see what your shell process shows as [01:15] rworkman? [01:15] doh~! [01:15] nullboy [01:15] I was looking at his site a bit a go. [01:15] nullboy: haha - you got some credibility at last - too bad it wasn't actually yours :) [01:15] lol [01:16] lol [01:16] my apologies good sir [01:16] nullboy: believe me, been there done that ;) [01:16] mrselfpwn: that lame flash bug has been an issue for many [01:16] i waited for F10...now i get to wait for F11 [01:16] i see [01:17] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] haha [01:17] lotec: did you run "ps" to see what shell you're in yet ? [01:17] yes, flash makes my pc hang quite a bit [01:17] rk4ns http://pastebin.com/m195a6d9c [01:17] echo $SHELL [01:17] i dont see one in there [01:17] is probably the proper way to tell [01:18] or just look at you /etc/passwd [01:18] lotec: your "ps" command is aliased with some options... [01:18] lotec: echo $SHELL [01:18] lotec: try "unalias ps" then "ps" [01:19] ... or that [01:19] [~] # echo $SHELL [01:19] /bin/sh [01:19] OK [01:19] ok so you're using a posix shell [01:19] unless you're on a sun box, in which case that goes out the window [01:19] linux based. qnap [01:21] bono (i=bono@220-136-228-204.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:21] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:23] lotec: do an "ls -l /bin/sh" [01:23] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [01:23] [ [01:24] [~] # ls -l /bin/sh [01:24] -rwxr-xr-x 1 admin administ 671272 Jul 18 2007 /bin/sh* [01:24] there we go [01:24] ah, I thought it might be a link [01:25] there is no nohub either [01:25] its nohup [01:25] newer distros link sh to /bin/bash [01:26] nohup:: command not found [01:26] IntangibleLiquid (n=root@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [01:26] damn samba printing [01:26] Dominian: amen [01:26] lotec: blah - either its not in your path, or not on the system - seems pretty sparse ... [01:27] Dominian: i installed Lilo to the superblock, set the primary partition bootable, but Grub is still there in the MBR, how do i replace it with Lilo? [01:27] well wtf [01:27] how am i going to copy these dang files then. grrrrr [01:27] its a qnap NAS appliance or something ? [01:27] thumbs: which makes bash run in posix mode [01:27] ok, for $647, there's a laptop that i'm interested in: sony vaio VGN-NR490E/T, intel core 2 duo T5750 2GHz (each), some "Marvel Yukon" onboard wireless (Atheros module; i know it works with linux), onboard intel 965 graphics with lcd screen capable of 1280x800 or something, 160gb sata, etc. good deal? [01:28] SiegeX: correct [01:28] lotec: see if you have the "at" command [01:28] IntangibleLiquid (n=root@115.73.36.123) left irc: Client Quit [01:29] lotec: ... if so, you could use it to schedule your copy command to run separate from your login [01:29] at: command not found [01:29] lotec: sheesh - pretty spartan system, there [01:29] I'd say. [01:29] well poopie pants [01:30] heh - reminds me of SCO in its early days [01:30] TwinReverb, tough call.... some "good deals" aren't [01:30] surprised its not running busybox [01:31] My laptop was a 'good deal' [01:31] Then i started discovering strange things about... like sometimes you have to push keys during boot to get it to move on to the next process [01:32] or in vista (despite the sticker claiming it was MADE FOR VISTA) the webcam would claim it was already in use and you'd have to sleep/resume and then start it really quick to get around it [01:32] just buy it brand new [01:32] TwinReverb: I own a Sony Vaio (VGN-FZ4000), and I'll never buy another piece-of-shit Sony again. [01:32] I think i'm a beta tester for this trash. [01:32] hiptobecubic: why didn't you remove Vista? [01:33] thumbs, i did. [01:33] i liked my vaio [01:33] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.159.180) joined ##slackware. [01:33] TwinReverb: I have since moved on to a Dell XPS M1530 lappy, and like it much better than the Sony piece of shit. [01:33] it came with '98 [01:33] although it's even worse in XP. Oddly enough, linux seems have the best hardware support [01:33] danc3: I have a M1530 too [01:33] danc3: I LOVE it. [01:33] hiptobecubic, it appears $100 overpriced here (but i'm in south korea so .... ) [01:33] thumbs: me too [01:34] TwinReverb, why are you in SK? [01:34] danc3: 7200RPM Hard drive too [01:34] i'm US military on a remote assignment in south korea [01:34] thumbs: yup, me too [01:34] ah [01:34] danc3: it's faster than my dad's desktop tower [01:34] i know that toshiba is at least linux-friendly, but still ... [01:34] but then, I run linux, and he's on XP. [01:34] TwinReverb: get a Dell [01:34] :/ [01:34] dizbin (n=dizbin@c-24-19-155-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:35] lotec: I'm out of short/quick ideas, and I've drawn a blank on google - blah [01:35] the best linux laptops are dell. [01:35] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] doesn't dell do some rather non-standard things? [01:35] not that I've seen [01:35] TwinReverb: EVERYTHING worked out of the box on 12.0 [01:35] rk4n3 yea i am still looking :D [01:35] I've got webcam, wireless, and everything else working in Slackware on this Dell [01:35] TwinReverb: except the thumb reader [01:35] screw the thumb reader [01:35] danc3: the thumb reader requires PAM [01:36] and screw all Sony's straight to hell [01:36] anyone know a mirror for the yakuake 2.8.1 source? berlios.de is having problems and I can't locate that file anywhere. [01:36] cbpye: I might have a copy. [01:36] TwinReverb: if you buy a Sony you'll regret it [01:36] thumbs: you rock, you know that? [01:36] thumbs, does the thumb reader work yet? [01:37] cbpye: yup. [01:37] cbpye: let me post it. [01:37] TwinReverb: are you not reading what we're telling you? [01:37] TwinReverb: I need to set up PAM [01:37] i am reading it, just asking [01:37] i asked if it's working [01:38] dell doesn't do anything bad with the hardware [01:38] i never assumed that he didn't add pam [01:38] my laptop works 100% with linux [01:38] i can even flash the bios from linux because dell laptops support libsmbios [01:38] just asking because i see various brands of laptop support in the linux kernel, like modules for sony vaio stuff, modules for toshiba, modules for dell, which is why i ask [01:38] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [01:39] i am a perfectionist, and i am paranoid, but with good reason: i'm in south korea. most likely i'm not going to get a chance to try out the laptop i buy [01:39] cbpye: http://avenger.homeunix.org:81/~avenger/yakuake.tar.gz [01:39] TwinReverb: you're in SK? cool man [01:39] thumbs: how far are you with your fingerprint reader? [01:39] nullboy: nowhere yet [01:39] and if mine dies (which it may do soon), i will have to pull the trigger on a laptop, without even trying it out or playing around with it [01:39] TwinReverb: my sister is watching a South Korean movie now [01:39] nullboy: someone was gonna help me with PAM [01:40] hence this is why i ask a lot of questions: because it's really the only source of input on this decision i will have [01:40] hehe [01:40] nullboy: I'm lazy [01:40] so please be patient with me [01:40] uh, thumbs: that's just the slackbuild script package. [01:40] oops [01:40] TwinReverb: understood. We're telling you that Sony's suck, and to get a Dell. This is based on (recent) personal experience. [01:40] last time i just walked into a store with a knoppix live cd and tried them all out, and picked the one most compatible: the one i am using right now. and i've never been disappointed with it [01:40] but this time i just can't do that. i really wish i could though. [01:40] cbpye: sorry, I grabbed the wrong file [01:40] &^$#*&$% [01:41] danc3, and i believe you, but i also see that my friend who has a sony vaio is using mandriva just fine and mandriva is extremely fast on it, and everything "just works" (tm) for him [01:41] and, not owning a dell or sony, but seeing the modules in the kernel config, it made me curious [01:41] well, dunno what to tell you then [01:41] cbpye: http://avenger.homeunix.org:81/~avenger/yakuake-2.8.1.tar.bz2 [01:41] danc3, i don't know what to say either [01:41] cbpye: sorry bro [01:41] TwinReverb: does the BX carry anything? [01:42] assuming there's a BX there... [01:42] yeah, the vaio that i just pointed out [01:42] ahhh [01:42] yes there is a BX here but it's overpriced by about $100 [01:42] thumbs: you're a life-saver. THANK you. [01:42] well, that's the price you pay sometimes [01:42] nothing you can do about that [01:42] so i could have the wife buy the laptop and send it to me (if mine dies) but again i will have no opportunity to try it out first [01:42] cbpye: you're very welcome [01:42] I think I'll temporarily mirror it on cbpye.net tomorrow. [01:42] danc3, yeah it sucks some times too [01:43] but it's the cost of shipping and importing i guess [01:43] cbpye: I always keep those on my laptop. [01:43] TwinReverb: been there myself.... years ago [01:43] at least until berlios gets things ironed out. [01:43] cbpye: it's useful when mirrors go poof. [01:43] people don't realize that if i go off-base into the country of south korea, i am going to find few, if any, laptops that will be familiar [01:43] and it's not all the "cheap deals" you hear about. don't believe that for a minnute. [01:43] er minute [01:44] TwinReverb: well the M1530 works great for me and danc3 [01:44] sure, different brands, and sort of cheap, but you still (due to lower quality with lower price) get what you pay for [01:44] much less it's not set up for US but for Korea so some things may not work as well [01:44] TwinReverb: the M1530 is the high end of the XPS models [01:44] thumbs, i believe you and i will check it out [01:44] and i really appreciate your help and your opinions. please keep 'em coming. [01:44] TwinReverb: the power connector will need a converter. [01:44] although it should be pointed out that the M1530 will cost you nearly twice what you quoted earlier... [01:45] well no, on-base it's US voltage [01:45] but off base, yes [01:45] true [01:45] yes, sure. It's a high end laptop. [01:45] my price point is like $1000 or lower [01:45] it won't sit at 1000$ [01:45] then the 1530 is out of the question. [01:45] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-186-76.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [01:45] talking about Dell, my sis's Inspiron 1420 got its Motherboard replaced within 3 weeks and harddrive one month, I'm like the 1/1000 unlucky guys out there [01:46] i don't need a fingerprint reader, it would just be cool if you could encrypt the hard drive to your fingerprint [01:46] TwinReverb: you can't do that, it's just for logging on in Windoze. Useless "feature". [01:46] my friend's sony vaio that works with linux is like $509 (wow!) [01:46] you can use it to log in to kdm. [01:47] danc3: it handles authentication just fine. [01:47] thumbs: perhaps, but not to "encrypt the hard drive" [01:47] no, not that. [01:47] kk [01:47] see man crypt [01:47] Nick change: Tidus -> Tidus|away [01:47] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:47] Tidus|away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [01:48] TwinReverb: there are many models of VAIO, that would be a pretty low-end model for that price. [01:48] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [01:48] I paid about $1200 for my VAIO [01:48] How long does that ban last? [01:48] and it's a piece of shit [01:48] yeah [01:48] TwinReverb: honestly, for sub-1000, you're gonna have to compromise. [01:48] still, i now have a 1.5GHz pentium-M so anything dual core with 1.5GHz or higher is a double speed upgrade for me lol [01:49] TwinReverb: slower HD, less RAm [01:49] thumbs: sad but true [01:49] yeah true i've been playing around with those [01:49] TwinReverb: for me, the HD has to be 7200 RPM. [01:49] i don't mind only 1 GB ram because i use slackware [01:49] i can upgrade RAM later [01:49] and i hear you on the 7200rpm thing [01:49] true on all counts [01:49] TwinReverb: a 5400RPM HD is SLOW. [01:49] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [01:49] it's what i use now and yeah it's a bit slow [01:49] you can compensate some, but only a little [01:50] makes using the lappy while compiling unbearable, regardless of the OS [01:50] slackboy: yeah i hadn't realized it did that by default... that's been fixed [01:50] on this dual core, the HD rocks, and I have plenty of CPU power. [01:50] one thing i really want, to be honest, is just dual core, 1GB ram, 7200rpm drive, and maybe if i can afford it, a large screen resolution [01:50] i personally can't stand that either [01:50] LOL, that is one use I got from my Sony Vaio, I transplanted the 200G 7200 from it into this M1530, which came with a 320G 5400... [01:51] but my main concern is that i need at least higher than 1024x768, at least 1gb ram, and 7200 rpm drive (regardless of capacity), and a dvd burner (doesn't need to be dual layer) [01:51] TwinReverb: the wxga monitor will set you back by an extra 150$ [01:51] yeah it will [01:51] lotec: some google hits imply that qnap linux includes cron - do you have the crontab command ? [01:51] granted, bigger than 1024x768 means that 1280x1024 works [01:51] isn't that WXGA? [01:51] TwinReverb: if you ask me, it's absolutely required tho. But I'm spoiled now. [01:51] no [01:51] WXGA is 1280x800 [01:51] TwinReverb: wxga is 1280x800 [01:51] rk4n3 yeppers that is there [01:52] ha yeah, once you use hi rez, you cant go lower [01:52] 1440x900 is even better [01:52] yuck [01:52] you can't hardly buy a laptop that's NOT widescreen these days [01:52] thumbs: that's what i have on my lappy [01:52] wait, I got a WXGA+ [01:52] WXGA is excellent [01:52] lotec: ha - you might be able to run your command as a one-time cron job [01:52] well right now i have 1024x768 so bigger than that means 1280x800 works fine [01:52] yep that is what i am thinking :D [01:52] i'm one of those weirdos that configures xorg.conf to know what the horiz and vert resolutions are (DPI) [01:52] yes, 1280x800 is nice [01:52] so i know i can get it working [01:52] it works fine [01:52] mine is 1440x900 [01:53] I retract my statement: 1280x800 is NOT enough. [01:53] shopping for laptops sucks on almost all websites [01:53] TwinReverb, i also have 1280x800... it's alright. It can be frustrating but much smaller and you'd be pissed off trying to read things [01:53] you can't just tell it "i want this or higher, this or higher, and this price or lower" [01:53] hiptobecubic: increase the font size [01:53] so shopping for laptops can be a royal pain [01:53] yes it can [01:53] no doubt [01:53] one thing i wish more laptop manufacturers would do is include 1680x1050 panels on their 17" machines [01:53] thumbs, but then things don't render the way the author's intended. Webpages, for example. [01:53] hiptobecubic, i hear you on that, my 1024x768 is too small for a few kde windows (mainly various software config pages) [01:54] hiptobecubic: well, yes. [01:54] lotec: when cron kicks off its jobs, it doesn't run the typical login-initialization scripts, so your login environment won't be completely reproduced for the cron job - to deal with this, be specific in your paths, etc ... set your own environment variables in your script if possible [01:54] and fwiw on the graphical stuff, i force all applications to use only the Liberation family of fonts [01:54] i find that it makes things faster [01:54] Tidus, i had a 17" laptop that did 1680x1050... never again. Desktop replacements are the worst idea anyone has ever had. [01:54] and a refurbished macbook is getting horribly tempting [01:54] hiptobecubic: that's for web pages. For KDE, I kicked up the font size a notch [01:55] but their onboard keyboard and mouse piss me off [01:55] hiptobecubic: it's VERY easy to read. [01:55] hiptobecubic: i have a 17" model myself... yeah, it's a little big, but i rarely travel [01:55] aporio_ (n=aporio@p4FE8B20A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:55] thumbs, i'm talking about webpages though, as i spend a good deal of time scouring the intertron. Sure you can crank the font sizes for terminal and whatever else. [01:55] bah. 17" laptops are bleh. [01:55] i just live in slightly cramped quarters where a full sized desktop would be a bit cramped to try and fit [01:55] rk4n3 so i need to do cp -r /share/USBDisk1/Rob /share/Public/Rob anything i need to change? [01:55] i wish my laptop were smaller really. [01:56] I agree, 17" laptops are useless. The 15.4" seems perfect to me [01:56] lotec: probably more like "cp -R /share/USBDisk1/Rob /share/Public" [01:56] hi is there already a tool with the distribution (slack 11) that updates dyndns.org? [01:56] hiptobecubic: 15" is just perfect. Get a 13" if you must [01:56] i have a 15.4 [01:56] lotec: find the path of cp and specify that too [01:56] danc3: i have my 17" machine, and a 24" external monitor attached to it [01:56] ok [01:56] it does 1280x800... but so did the 14.1 i had before it. [01:56] Tidus: heh [01:56] lotec: so "/usr/bin/cp -R /share/USBDisk1/Rob /share/Public" if cp is in /usr/bin [01:56] hiptobecubic: 1280 on 15" is on the cheapo side. [01:56] I had a 15", found it large and awkward. I'd rather have a great desktop machine with multiple monitors, and a netbook for on-the-go. [01:57] thumbs, you bet :D [01:57] it hardly ever moves anywhere, so portability isn't an issue for me [01:57] Tidus: bet that's fun to bring on an airplane.... ;) [01:57] hiptobecubic: heck, the dells now do 1680 on the 15.4" [01:57] danc3: if i travel i have a 3 year old 14" square screen dell that i use [01:57] I recently broke down and bough a nice monitor. I can't believe i waited so long. I love it. [01:57] i leave the 17" brick at home [01:57] Action: rob0 has a pair of 22" widescreen LCDs [01:57] hey would anyone know or have an opinion as to which intel onboard graphics works best for linux right now: the X3100, X4500, or 4500MHD? [01:58] hiptobecubic: hey, send over some money so I can get one too! [01:58] thumbs, yeah well. it was 600 bucks a year ago dual core blahblahblah. hp isn't that great to start with [01:58] not in /bin [01:58] aporio_ (n=aporio@p4FE8B20A.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [01:58] hiptobecubic: no, the monitors. I have a lappy already. [01:58] a delicious Hanns.G 22.1" [01:59] TwinReverb: the x3100 works fine [01:59] thanks Tidus [01:59] hiptobecubic: mine's a 24" acer [01:59] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:59] I thought about it, but seeing as my video card can't even DO hd... i didn't want to spend the extra money for a bigger screen [02:00] <-- geforce 7600-go integrated [02:00] I have hdmi output! [02:00] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [02:00] 1080p runs flawless [02:00] Tidus: 8600MGT here [02:00] i managed to spend 190 on this with 3 year warranty [02:00] 8600M-GT here too [02:00] Action: danc3 won't use anything other than Nvidia graphics cards [02:01] danc3: did you read about the slashdot article on possible defects? [02:01] no [02:01] 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M (rev a2) [02:01] danc3: for the 8xxx chips [02:01] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] thumbs: nope, haven't heard about that [02:01] danc3: cross your fingers, but it seems to be quite isolated [02:02] haven't had any problems yet [02:02] none here either. [02:02] and it's been 1.5 years now [02:02] danc3: and for traveling, heh, yeah, my dell's about to get replaced come tax refund time. getting a 13" macbook [02:02] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT (rev a1) [02:02] danc3: I bet lspci is exactly the same on our machines. [02:02] yup [02:03] rk4n3 found but in a weired place [02:03] cp ? [02:03] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] (rev a1) [02:03] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:03] rk4n3 yea [02:03] hmm... where at ? [02:03] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146464 [02:03] thumbs: I have heard that the newer M1530's have different wireless cards in them... mine is a Broadcom bcm4328 [02:03] i bought this stupid trashbook JUST BEFORE they put hdmi out in them [02:04] rk4n3 /usr/bin [02:04] danc3: yeah, we're lucky [02:04] there's even a little rectangle outline where it would be [02:04] lotec: that's not so weird ... /bin or /usr/bin would be the two most common places [02:04] 0b:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) [02:04] thumbs: 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03) [02:04] danc3: oh, we're different [02:05] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce Go 7600] (rev a1) [02:05] thumbs: yup. got mine working great. [02:05] and thumbs: i got the same wifi card you do [02:05] danc3: mine too. Broadcom is usually good. [02:05] Tidus: it's a great card. Native kernel support. [02:06] I hate unhelpful product reviews. [02:06] Yes, I would rather have the Intel wireless... This one was a pain to get working [02:07] yeah fwiw intel wireless rocks simply because it's in the kernel (most are) [02:07] yup [02:07] my ipw2200 might not be wireless-N but it works very well and that's the main point [02:07] Someone took their time to write something like, "HAY THIS LAPTOP SUX! BUY INSTEAD IT'S SOOO MUCH BETTER! I COULDN'T EVEN GET THIS TO PLAY DVDS IT IS SO SUCK! I <3 NEWEGG THEY LET ME RETURN IT THO!" [02:07] here's my wired ethernet controller in this one: 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12) [02:07] hiptobecubic, yeah those comments blow [02:07] thumbs: only thing i can't stand about mine... the wifi light on mine is this HUGE blue led right under the center of the bottom of the screen, and it blinks incessantly when there's activity [02:08] works fine, uses the "sky2" NIC module [02:08] Tidus: doesn't do that here [02:08] And the worst is, they are preventing real comments from getting onto the front page. [02:08] 08:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation PRO/100 VE Network Connection (rev 01) [02:08] that's my wired [02:08] ok here we go: ThinkPad SL Series SL500(27466XU) NoteBook Intel Core 2 Duo P8400(2.26GHz) 15.4" Wide XGA 2GB Memory 160GB HDD 5400rpm Dual layer DVD Burner Intel GMA 4500MHD - Retail $849 with 2 GB RAM, 160GB hard drive sata (5400rpm but oh well) [02:08] everything onboard is intel [02:08] and i don't need a webcam (already got a nice one), or a card reader (already got one) [02:09] this should work then i think [02:09] TwinReverb: sounds decent [02:09] TwinReverb: not bad. [02:09] yeah for what i need it probably is [02:09] TwinReverb: you can always buy a 7200RPM later [02:09] HD's are cheap [02:09] granted the laptop i have right now (toshiba satellite a55-s306) was $1000 in store and i had a 10% off coupon so i made good :) [02:10] TwinReverb: heh, i got ya beat for a good deal... [02:10] i don't mind toshiba, to be honest: nothing but good experiences so far [02:10] There are some REALLY simple things that the laptop designers at hp can do to make using one not so @#%!ing terrible. For example. Don't put any jacks for anything on the front edge. Ever. For any reason. It just makes it so you can't have it against your lap. [02:10] Tidus, then please tell me what deal you got :) [02:10] TwinReverb: toshiba + linux == problems [02:10] <-- HP Pavilion dv8327cl, Core 2 Duo T5500, 2gb ram, 2x100gb hdd in raid-0, nvidia 7600-go video [02:10] thumbs, not in my experience [02:10] but like i said before, i went shopping with a knoppix live cd :) [02:10] i may do that here but i doubt it [02:10] normally a $999 machine at wal-mart. lady brought it to me to fix it, turns out video card was bad [02:11] TwinReverb: they let you boot the cd? [02:11] hell yes :) [02:11] and they may let me do it here [02:11] TwinReverb: you're lucky [02:11] TwinReverb: i told her how much it was gonna cost to fix ($450 for new mainboard), she said keep it. my friend had another one that was identical with a busted screen [02:11] or put the touchpad at the center of the LETTERS on the keyboard and not just the center of the keyboard. The right hand sits on the touch pad in a normal typing position, which means you're always accidently jumping to the wrong window and scrambling things. [02:11] most the laptops at the BX already have my s.bat file on there (which is a forkbomb hehe) [02:11] we had a weekend of being evil, me and my buddies [02:12] one accidentally put the s.bat in the startup/ directory which obviously killed the laptop [02:12] i smacked him [02:12] the goal was education, not destruction [02:12] and windows is too stupid not to run everything in startup/ [02:12] that's kinda lame, I'd have to say [02:12] jebus cries. i cant get entried to save in crontab [02:13] TwinReverb: so to make the story short, i got mine for free [02:13] danc3, what is lame? [02:13] TwinReverb, who were you educating? [02:13] erm entried= entries [02:13] Tidus, cool [02:13] TwinReverb: jacking up the displays in a store [02:13] hiptobecubic, my friends [02:13] danc3, i didn't, but my friend did [02:13] at the expense of the store? [02:13] yeah, well you contributed, by the sound of it [02:13] when i was like 16 i jacked up a DOS machine using assembly [02:13] lame [02:13] thumbs, they reboot without harm [02:13] wow. [02:14] i was in debug and did 'mov sp,bp mov bp,sp' [02:14] some things are better left unsaid i think..... [02:14] but anyways [02:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:14] heh, wanna talk about people being nice with the store displays... the folks at best buy around where i live let me install a game on one of the machines since i told them i was buying it for gaming... [02:14] Action: TwinReverb misses the days of assembly [02:14] they actually let me put the game on it and play around to see if it was gonna run worth a crap [02:15] anyways, when i go back today to try booting some in linux (knoppix live dvd) i will make sure i delete s.bat so no clowns decide to run it [02:15] but it's sad that windows can't defend itself [02:15] it's almost like that joke that you can't have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed [02:15] what is sad is putting something like that onto a system that isn't even yours [02:15] and windows is unarmed [02:16] it's also sad that kiddies get their jollies in messing up others property [02:16] nullboy, how? i did no harm, and the file is not where it can be easily found [02:16] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [02:16] and i'm no kiddie. i don't enjoy that, i just wanted to show them what a fork bomb was. [02:16] not easily found? In the startup directory? [02:16] tampering on systems you don't own is wrong. I'm sorry. [02:16] it is still there, why put it there in the first place? [02:16] TwinReverb: why did you want to "show them that"? [02:16] no, that was my friend, i smacked him (scroll up) [02:16] it is wrong no matter how you try to pitch it. sorry but that is the truth. [02:17] because they were disrespecting linux by saying that only linux can be fork bombed [02:17] also, it's pretty easily to forkbomb in linux with a bash script. what's the diff? [02:17] easy* [02:17] TwinReverb: you could have showed them that on your own machine, not a store display [02:17] much less, i did no damage. the store employees do more damage than me (since i did no damage lol) [02:17] you think that is a valid excuse? [02:17] oh, they "disrespected Linux". Well, that sure changes things.... NOT [02:17] a fork bomb does no damage. why are people crying about it? [02:17] i don't need an excuse because i did no harm [02:18] you did something unethical [02:18] it locks up the computer so others can't see it running [02:18] that's not cool [02:18] anyway [02:18] i don't see people crying about that link on rworkman's page that says "don't click here" [02:18] luism (n=luissmm@host208.190-226-156.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [02:18] not the same thing at all [02:18] they run it on their own computer. [02:18] you'd have to prove i caused harm to prove i did something unethical [02:18] you did cause harm [02:18] did you cause those computers to stop running? [02:18] and those are for display purposes anyways. they come with security software, and i wanted to check their strength. [02:19] yes, they ground to a halt and had to be power cycled [02:19] well if they wanted to get technical they could sue you for the 5 minutes required to restart that computer and the hour to debug to figure out what happened to it [02:19] putting something on to a system that you are not authorized to install to is unethical in itself [02:19] let alone the content [02:19] since you stopped them from running, you stopped other customers from being able to check them out for their own evaluations [02:19] well like i said, he had it in the startup directory (moron) but i deleted it [02:19] fucking lame [02:19] the laptops are password locked by default: that stops people from being able to try them out [02:20] when Grandpa comes by to check on buying a laptop, he can't see it in operation because some kiddie punk thought it was "kewl" to lock it up [02:20] i don't understand why linux geeks are crying about a windows flaw that i wanted to check on that still caused no damage [02:20] lotec: hey, I just learned something ... you can simulate a Control-Z for your process in the foreground of your terminal session from a seperately-logged-in terminal [02:20] rk4n3, what? [02:20] lotec: ... you find the pid for your foreground job and send a SIGTSTP to it [02:20] TwinReverb: you don't understand because you're either 1) Clueless, or 2) lack integrity [02:20] it wasn't your system to "check on" in the first place. that is the issue [02:21] around here they auto-log the computers into a restricted account [02:21] rk4n3 i cant even write to crontab [02:21] lotec: ... with a command like: "kill -TSTP " [02:21] i do wq and it does not save it [02:21] TwinReverb: if they're "password locked", how did you install the forkbomb on it... another hard one to explain...... [02:21] lotec: did you get into editing it with "crontab -e" ? [02:21] lotec: :w! [02:21] and the term is running busybox [02:21] danc3, more like because 1) no one can prove that it causes harm, 2) no one can sue me for "time lost" because the value of it would be lower than most people would bother prosecuting, 3) i power cycled the laptop anyways [02:22] and you don't "install" a fork bomb [02:22] that is still not even the point [02:22] jesus [02:22] fucking clueless then [02:22] hiptobecubic: ? [02:22] lame as all get out [02:22] rk4n3, i was confused by what you said a minute ago, but i understand now. [02:22] i don't see people cry about defcon and what those guys are up to [02:22] hiptobecubic: ah :) [02:23] thumbs that does not work either [02:23] lotec: umm [02:23] It clearly *did* cause harm, because other customers were unable to use the store displays. [02:23] TwinReverb: you keep casing blame toward others. [02:23] lotec: do you have nano on that box? [02:23] that makes this even lamer [02:23] much less time lost = 5 minutes. when you can adequately even prove that those 5 minutes mattered, much less that this value is above $1, let me know [02:23] rk4n3 http://www.busybox.net/ [02:23] TwinReverb: trying to change the subject.... why? [02:23] casting* [02:23] i'm not blaming anything [02:23] thumbs nope no nano [02:23] TwinReverb: <----------- lamer [02:23] lotec: jeebus [02:23] i'm not casting blame anywhere [02:23] thumbs and no pico [02:23] and i'm also not throwing out insults [02:24] who's got integrity now? [02:24] where did i insult anyone? [02:24] lotec: well then.... [02:24] lotec: did you do a "crontab -e", or try to edit the file directly ? [02:24] TwinReverb: <----------- lamer [02:24] not you [02:24] so me where i insulted you [02:24] show [02:24] crontab -e [02:24] danc3, i could replace you with a shell script that says that, btw :P [02:24] lotec: OK [02:24] TwinReverb: <----------- lamer [02:24] nullboy, not you [02:24] danc3: that's enough. [02:24] Action: TwinReverb rolls his eyes [02:24] i also tried vi /usr/bin/crontab [02:25] lotec: well, you can't edit the crontab executable :) [02:25] rk4n3 well nothing else worked so i figured why not try it :D [02:25] and even if, fwiw, i did cause damage or make the machine unavailable for someone, i did them a favor, quite frankly, if windows can't defend itself from a fork bomb (which could later be used against said customer very easily) [02:25] lotec: you'd want to be editing your login's crontab, which would be somewhere like /var/spool/cron/user or whatever [02:25] so even if you want to go there into that imaginary world of "i caused damage", i did someone a huge favor [02:25] lotec: haha - good spirit :) [02:25] TwinReverb: your logic is as bad as your integrity [02:26] danc3, i can't hear you, you're not insulting me :P [02:26] yeah, whatever [02:26] maybe if you cussed me out and called me names and made mom jokes you'd get my attention :P [02:26] i'm about to put half the channel on /ignore because we got people in here needing help and i can't follow it through this pointless argument [02:26] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [02:26] TwinReverb: you are still side stepping the main issue of the actions. it wasn't your system in the first place [02:26] Help!! I need help NOW!!! [02:26] i wish xfce4.6 would come out of beta [02:26] lotec: /me cusses TwinReverb out, calls him names, and makes some mom jokes [02:26] did you ask the store "hey can i test a fork bomb on your system?" [02:27] nullboy, but it's also a display model, so it's basically everyone's system now :) [02:27] oops [02:27] no, I just laugh at you, and hope you'll grow up some day, and not think it's "kewl" to act like a punk. But I don't really care, either way. [02:27] Action: rk4n3 cusses TwinReverb out, calls him names, and makes some mom jokes [02:27] TwinReverb: no, it basically isn't everyone's system [02:27] it's the store's system [02:27] Okay, how about we end whatever this is about. [02:27] lotec: are you using vim to edit the crontab entry? [02:27] i realize it's the store's system, yes, i was only making you notice that it's been put there for people to use [02:27] lotec: ls -l /usr/bin/vi [02:27] vi [02:27] it save [02:28] lotec: ls -l /usr/bin/vi [02:28] i think it's rather important for someone to test a system (in a non-destructive way) before they use it [02:28] [02:28] Okay, how about we end whatever this is about. [02:28] someone could claim that using linux live on their system could cause as much damage as a fork bomb [02:28] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [02:28] TwinReverb, what exactly were you testing? [02:28] TwinReverb: danc3: please just drop it or move it to another channel [02:28] much less if someone accidentally deletes something (hopefully not) [02:28] rworkman # ls -l /usr/bin/vi [02:28] ls: /usr/bin/vi: No such file or directory [02:29] GUYS. STOP. [02:29] hiptobecubic, if vista is resistant to fork bombing [02:29] Whether or not windows will do what you tell it to do and forkbomb itself to death? [02:29] (which can be done through scripts you encounter online, btw) [02:29] lotec: install elvis. It's part of the A series and should be installed. [02:29] rworkman: fyi - he's on a qnap appliance with a seemingly spartan linux installation [02:29] ugh. [02:29] rworkman: he can't [02:29] ugh [02:29] rworkman: i dont think i can do that on this box :D [02:29] Sounds like vim is being used [02:29] lotec: where is your vi binary? [02:29] he could try VISUAL=nano crontab -e [02:29] lotec: put "set compatible" in your $HOME/.vimrc [02:29] if nano exists (might want to check first) [02:30] thumbs i wish i could answer that question [02:30] stuff is all over the place. [02:30] Sounds like that thing should be trashed :) [02:30] ... which vi? [02:30] if I understood correctly, he gets into editing the crontab, but it won't save with a "permission denied" - correct lotec ? [02:30] is he a user, or root? [02:30] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [02:31] rk4n3 no it acts as if it saved. no error but it did not save when i check crontab -l [02:31] ... ah [02:31] rk4n3 how can i double check this crontab is running. top is not showing it [02:31] lotec: are you logged in as root or a different user ? [02:31] there is no root user [02:32] admin is the master user on this [02:32] lotec: if you do an "id -a" what does it show ? [02:32] This *really* sounds like the vim problem. [02:32] njathan (i=1000@203.115.70.56) joined ##slackware. [02:32] lotec: ah, admin [02:32] rworkman: yeah [02:32] # id -a [02:32] uid=0(admin) gid=0(administrators) [02:32] lotec: listen to rworkman's previous advice about the nocompatible [02:32] Someone really went out of their way to make a broken system. [02:32] lotec: ah, well uid 0 should be equivalent of root, anyway [02:32] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Connection timed out [02:33] 07:29 < rworkman> lotec: put "set compatible" in your $HOME/.vi [02:33] giuppy (n=giuppy@host139-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:33] thumbs the .vi [02:33] er, .vimrc [02:33] what could i use if i want to take a single screenshot of a webpage which is pretty long... (where you've got to use page-down button) [02:33] yea i seen that working on that rworkman [02:33] njathan: you can't [02:33] err... :-( [02:33] njathan: you can save as pdf, then export the pdf to png [02:33] or that. [02:33] Good idea. [02:34] njathan: that's a bit cumbersome [02:34] Beats my answer. :) [02:34] rk4n3 anyways how can i tell this crontab is working? [02:34] top is not showing it [02:34] oh pdf is okay with me.. but what tool? [02:34] but at least the formatting will be kept. [02:34] if you want to help me understand how a fork bomb harms a computer or whatever, /msg me, otherwise i need to be somewhere [02:34] lotec: wait until it's time for it to run., [02:34] i got it [02:35] lotec: do you have crond somewhere in a ps listing ? [02:35] ps -ef | grep cron [02:35] ah [02:35] njathan: do you know how to save your page as a pdf file? [02:35] :) [02:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:35] ps -ef | grep cron [02:35] 844 admin 640 S /usr/sbin/crond -l 9 [02:35] 3833 admin 420 S grep cron [02:35] but what one is what>? [02:35] thumbs: i dont actually... :-P [02:35] 844 is the cron daemon [02:35] njathan: all right, do you use firefox? [02:35] lotec: again, you have to wait until it's time for the cron job to run. [02:36] it should be running now [02:36] lotec: the cron daemon will run your cron job when you scheduled it [02:36] lotec: what did you specify for schedule in your crontab ? [02:36] thumbs, i do.. i hav e the "pdf download" extension installed [02:36] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:36] 28 2 * * * /usr/bin/cp -R /share/USBDisk1/Rob /share/Public/Rob [02:36] njathan: good. [02:36] but it doesn't seem to work :-( [02:37] njathan: either way, you can print to a .ps file with the "Print to file" option in the standard dialog [02:37] lotec: did you get it saved before the 2:28 moment passed ? [02:37] o this one is set different [02:37] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-165-56.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:37] there is a blank [02:37] the 28 is in the wrong spot [02:38] ? seems right to me ... [02:38] njathan: let me know when you have a .ps file ready [02:38] thumbs, Cool! "print to file" does it.. and it has a radio button called "PDF" [02:39] njathan: there you go! [02:39] lotec: also, you'll need to make sure you know what the system time is and schedule accordingly [02:39] Yeah, but where did *I* go? [02:39] rob0: we can't answer that question [02:40] rk4n3 did that all ready [02:40] crazy. [02:41] njathan: now, if you have imagemagick installed, you can use the 'convert' command [02:41] njathan: otherwise, gimp will work [02:41] lotec: keep in mind that cron won't go like "oh, 2:33 is in the past so that job should be run, I'd better run it" ... it will only run a job as the scheduled moment comes up [02:41] rk4n3 i am setting it a few min ahead [02:41] lotec: excellent [02:42] still did not run [02:42] hmmm... [02:42] /topic #crazy [02:42] rob0: s/topic/nick/ [02:42] whoops. [02:43] rk4n3 http://pastebin.com/mff06501 [02:44] lotec: are you still on Jan 2 ? [02:45] Sat Jan 3 02:44:54 EST 2009 [02:45] from the box [02:45] lotec: then you'll need a 3 in the third column (or *) ... :) [02:45] hum [02:46] lotec: plus, you have 41 for the hour ... probably won't work [02:46] thanks thumbs! [02:46] see i had it set the other way. but the all well i get it [02:46] try this again [02:46] njathan: you're very welcome [02:47] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.164.14.191) joined ##slackware. [02:47] I'd go with: 52 2 * * * /usr/bin/cp -R /share/USBDisk1/Rob /share/Public/Rob [02:47] ok set it for 49 try this again [02:47] ... 49 fine too [02:47] 49 2 * * * /usr/bin/cp -R /share/USBDisk1/Rob /share/Public/Rob [02:48] cool - as long as its saved before 2:49 [02:48] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.159.180) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:48] 2.48 right now [02:48] sweet [02:49] ok [02:49] still does not look good [02:50] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [02:50] lotec: does your file have the two entries strung together on one line like your pastebin looks like, or was that just a typo ? It could be a syntax problem for the crontab [02:51] I'd consider using rsync(1) rather than cp, a bit more intelligent. [02:51] lotec: ... the entries for 0 3 and 0 4 [02:51] no just a copy paste and i did not fix it [02:51] but wait [02:51] hum [02:51] MacGuyver (n=macguyve@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "gone" [02:52] nope seperate line [02:52] OK [02:52] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:52] lotec: I'm guessing you don't have rsync - would I be correct ? [02:53] it is there :D [02:53] lotec: ah, OK - its definitely nicer for a big recursive copy than cp is [02:53] you don't have nano, but you have rsync? [02:53] what kind of system is that? [02:53] lotec: but we still need to solve the problem of launching it seperate from your terminal session anyway [02:54] thumbs: qnap NAS appliance [02:54] rk4n3: I know. [02:54] rk4n3: I am still surprised at the applications they chose to ship on it [02:54] thumbs: ah, sort of rhetorical :) [02:54] thumbs i am thinking the same thing [02:55] i cant believe the damn thing just dont have screen [02:55] that is a nice easy way to do it [02:55] why not screen [02:55] ... or even nohup for pete's sake [02:57] nohup is 16K with only three library dependencies - pretty lean and pretty staple, not sure why they wouldn't supply it [02:58] i am woundering if i can build anything [02:58] heh - if you don't have gcc, I wouldn't be too optimistic :) [02:58] don't wound too much. [02:58] luism (n=luissmm@host208.190-226-156.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [02:59] i got it to run rk4n3 in crontab [02:59] i manually started cron [03:00] ... wow. [03:00] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:00] you're not supposed to have to start crond manually. [03:00] as i was [03:01] it just stoped [03:01] lotec: interesting [03:01] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-186-76.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] aha ... from http://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?p=2964 [03:02] issue '/etc/init.d/crond.sh restart' to restart the cron service in order for the new jobs to take effect [03:02] ... the cron on that system doesn't pick up new crontab entries without being restarted [03:02] cool - NOT [03:02] well no shit [03:02] wth [03:02] rk4n3: that's retarded. [03:02] wtf kind of shit is that [03:03] well i fixed it another way :D [03:03] haha - definitely retarded [03:03] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:03] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello :) [03:03] lotec: in the future, you can just do the '/etc/init.d/crond.sh restart' to do it their "blessed" way [03:03] i just started up an ssh session on another comp. let it urn all night [03:03] hey Old_Fogie :) [03:03] hiya rk4n3 [03:04] hello Old_Fogie [03:04] hello Old_Fogie [03:04] :D :D [03:04] hello Old_Fogie [03:04] wow, full house tonight, heh, what gives :) [03:04] we just solved an irritating problem with lotec's qnap device [03:04] Action: Old_Fogie makes his way to the bar in ##slackware...slackboy the usual please :) [03:05] rk4n3 i am going to beat this thing one way or the other [03:05] Anyone run into an issue where when returning from suspending to disk the entire system is VERY VERY sluggish? It happens in both console and X.. [03:05] 'qnap' device? [03:05] yeah, NAS appliance [03:05] ah I see [03:05] ... runs some sort of linux-embedded [03:06] doesn't have screen *or* nohup so running jobs in the background that you can disconnect from is difficult - we went with cron [03:06] I'm trying to build kde 3 on a stock slackware ( a,ap,d,l,n,tcl/tk,x,games) system (no kde or xap) onboard...as I cannot get kde to build on my 'old-fogie-modified-slack' and I dont know why. [03:07] rk4n3 restarting the service does work by the way [03:07] lotec: cool [03:07] I can't seem to get the first of the kde's to build..the kdelibs [03:07] Old_Fogie: no kde 4 for you ? [03:08] oh no that's not ready yet for me/us [03:08] ah [03:08] The README in testing/kde4 might have useful tips. [03:09] I really only need/want kdebase/kdelibs ; but this is just not working on my modified slackware that I do for gnome..gnome runs - horribly slow; I had to drop down on xorg-intel driver to 2.4.1...2.4.3 is *horrific* for this intel i810 card; but I knew that was gonna happen. [03:09] older driver at least get's me a working, non-codec noncompressed avi to play. [03:09] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [03:10] which is sad, as in 12.1 it flew even in flash compared to this, not sure what's going on heh. [03:10] mostly likely I broke something, heh [03:11] I'm serious, take a peek at that README. [03:11] what for kde4? [03:11] indeed [03:11] I've been having tons of firefox slow-down ... mostly some of my family memebers complaining about myspace and youtube [03:11] I bet much of the build details apply to KDE 3. [03:12] oh nah, I want no part of it, I tried it on a diff gnu, was so bad (it's still beta so understood) I just want no part of it. Plus I cant give something like that out to others , it's just not there . [03:12] rk4n3: what flash version? [03:12] thumbs: 10.0 r12 [03:12] and with that [03:12] rob0: oh I see what you mean [03:12] :) [03:12] rk4n3 that you alot man for helping me out [03:12] same for u thumbs and rworkman [03:13] lotec: no problem - happy to help :) [03:13] i need to get some sleep [03:13] rk4n3: they have 10 for linux now? [03:13] Sleep is a poor substitute for caffeine. [03:13] thumbs: yeah, I got it about two weeks ago, I think [03:14] rob0: I've been using 3.5.10 even on 12.1 ; had backported it. had 3.5.9 on 12. meaning I've done kde rebuilds for past two releases grabbing from --current ; so I've been thru this before, but lost why this is happening ere, heh. [03:14] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: [03:14] rob0 i have had 14 cokes today. if i have any moer caffeine you can call me a coco bean [03:15] lotec: "any more..." we'll call an ambulance :) [03:15] lol [03:15] good night guys catch yea all later. [03:15] ... or a porta-potty [03:15] night :) [03:15] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:16] Coke is rather weak in caffeine, actually. [03:17] but its high in coke [03:17] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [03:17] Old_Fogie [03:18] Have you ever heard of Sang Thip? [03:18] this is cool -- http://www.energyfiend.com/the-caffeine-database [03:18] Okay, so basically: full slackware - stock 12.1 - full install - except - *NO* XAP, or KDE...and I cannot run ./KDE.SlackBuild ...and build kdelibs...the first app built in kde 3 series on 12.2. [03:18] err..stock 12.2 [03:18] rk4n3, check this out; http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A132193 [03:18] GL Fogie, bedtime for me. [03:19] ok nite rob0 [03:20] haha - sounds like weird stuff ... how about that "Ammo" with 171mg of caffeine per ounce ... sheesh [03:21] this doesnt make sense [03:21] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) left irc: "leaving" [03:22] would you try the Sang Thip rk4n3? [03:22] jescisp2s (i=1000@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] probably not - I'm not much into losing control :) [03:22] lol [03:23] they sell it by the 1/4 glass and they say the blackouts are proportional to how many 1/4 glasses you drink. [03:23] yeah, sounds pretty funky [03:23] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [03:24] i don't see 5 hour energy on that list. does it not contain caffeine ? [03:25] hmm ... IIRC, part of their "selling point" is they don't have caffeine [03:25] oh [03:25] didn't know [03:25] they're the ones that claim "no crash", I believe [03:25] yes, unlike the Sang Thips. :D [03:26] heh [03:26] so apparently tourist go their and drink that crap and end up having a vary bad night with 1 of not so welcome outcomes happening. [03:26] s/vary/very [03:27] yeah, kinda like rich college freshmen learning how to party [03:27] heheh [03:28] I myself am not much of a trustee of modern chemistry [03:28] garbage in, garbage out [03:28] I actually got it from a song i was listening to and looked it up. [03:28] quoted: We've argued by the baggage claim [03:28] We've accepted and we've laid blame [03:28] We've drank Sangthip in monsoonal rain [03:28] Channel flood from mrselfpwn -- kicking [03:28] We've felt separate and we've felt the same [03:28] mrselfpwn kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:28] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [03:28] haha [03:28] knew that was gonna happen. [03:28] lol [03:29] Anyone run into an issue where when returning from suspending to disk the entire system is VERY VERY sluggish? It happens in both console and X.. [03:30] not I - I never suspend to disk - sorry :) [03:30] Hibernating to disk, or suspending to ram? [03:30] just shutdown? [03:31] hibernating to disk [03:31] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:31] heh - either shut down or just stay running :) [03:31] no, I don't use that either [03:31] maybe I should just concentrate on speeding up the boot process :) [03:32] ... or just never shut down [03:32] if you hibernate to disk and run another OS or Slack that accesses the disk, it can cause problems. [03:32] eh that's not an option for my notebook [03:32] ah, notebook/laptop is different - I got away from them a long time ago [03:33] heh funny.. I almost never touch my desktop anymore [03:33] Just curious Wescotte, did you rebuild your kernel? [03:33] no [03:33] yeah, there's different approaches ... I have a desktop everywhere I need one [03:33] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [03:34] I thought that hibernate was off by default in slacks kernel, I may be wrong though. [03:34] ... keep a server online, carry USB drive and use rsync alot ... its actually quite liberating [03:35] mrselfpwn: i'm using the HUGe kernel and the .config says it's on.. It works.. it's just when it comes back the system is slow as all hell.. [03:35] I see [03:35] Action: Old_Fogie thinks it may be a newer samba added to slack after kdelibs was compiled and we got a broken api/abi (whichever) [03:36] hmm [03:36] Wescotte [03:36] Old_Fogie: sounds like a reasonable theory [03:36] anyone have a vm of 12.2? can you yank xap and kde, and then build kde? does it fail building kdelibs with samba errors? [03:36] When it comes back up are there any apps still running? [03:36] Old_Fogie: can I get back to you in a week on that one ? [03:36] :) [03:36] haha [03:36] I haven't used it so i'm kind of taking a shot in the dark here. [03:36] many people build in vm's so thought I'd ask that way [03:37] mrselfpwn: I've tried from a console and from X. both produce the same sluggish video.. [03:37] oo [03:37] usr/include/asm-generic/fcntl.h:117: error: redefinition of 'struct flock <---that's the error there, and it seems recent in google for samba [03:37] wow, i'm not sure, though I am definitely interested in finding out what is going on. [03:38] You don't shutdown slack and then go into windows before resuming from hibernation do you? [03:38] no [03:39] Hmm [03:39] I hibernated and then turned right back on and went directly back into slack. I was just testing to make sure it all worked [03:39] anyone have any ideas? [03:39] it worked fine in slack 12 then when I upgraded to 12.1 I never bothered to set it up again [03:40] Old_Fogie: flock (and fcntl.h) is part of the standard C runtime (libc.so) [03:40] oh [03:40] i see [03:40] well there's more, I'll paste bin in a second [03:40] well like 2 min or so from now the build should die [03:40] I'm running it with logging [03:40] have you thought of upgrading to 12.2 Wescotte? [03:41] They made a lot of improvements. [03:41] mrselfpwn: I did upgrade to slack 12.2. Which is why I was playing around with getting hibernate and running.. sorry I wasn't clear there [03:41] Oh, ok, i see [03:41] Do you have hibernation loaded as a module? [03:42] rk4n3: only thing I can think of that's a "change" by me, is I have the system lilo using utf8, and the locale of the users, and root as utf8 [03:42] rk4n3: other than that, it's 100% stock [03:43] mrselfpwn: don't think you can build it as a module.. [03:43] Ok, i'm just throwing out some stuff as I don't use it. [03:43] mrselfpwn: just checked in make menuconfig.. it only allows =y [03:43] ok [03:44] I tried google but I didn't get any decent results.. Might be just wording my question poorly [03:44] I'm guessing it's a video driver issue [03:44] Old_Fogie: fcntl stuff is used by *everything* - if there's some mismatch in header dependencies for the KDE you're compiling with the "stock" system, that's pretty deep and might not be easily solvable without realigning the "offending" areas, presumably samba and your KDE [03:44] let me try, I AM good at googling. :D [03:45] thanks [03:45] rk4n3: ok [03:46] rk4n3: reading the changelog, samba (fixed a cve) came after kdelibs [03:46] Old_Fogie: is KDE trying to provide some of its own surrogates for "system" headers ? I wonder if there's a fcntl.h in the KDE source tree... [03:46] rk4n3: there were no recomp of kdelibs..but this should die in a second or so [03:46] oh , I do have 'xine-lib' installed from xap; as that's needed for arts only package in xap; correction to above. [03:46] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [03:47] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-187-116.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:48] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [03:48] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:48] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:48] Wescotte, what do you have in fstab? [03:48] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [03:48] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) left irc: "leaving" [03:48] for the hibernation part [03:49] mrselfpwn: I don't follow.. [03:49] check in /etc/fstab [03:49] nano /etc/fstab [03:50] Old_Fogie: are you pastebin'ing your error log ? [03:50] mrselfpwn: there shouldn't be anything special I have to do in fstab for enabling hibernation.. I did modify the scripts conf to unmount my nfs share and windows parition when it hibernates though.. [03:51] ok, i'm going by what i'm reading after doing some google [03:52] from what I read it has something to do with the upgrade [03:52] rk4n3: here the pastebin http://pastebin.com/d75a1e469 [03:52] mrselfpwn: http://pastebin.ca/1298865 <-- my fstab though [03:53] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] what do you hibernate to? [03:53] rk4n3: looks like file directory notify stuff no? [03:54] mrselfpwn: well I have scripts that allow you to do lots of goodies but you can simply perform "echo disk > /sys/power/state" to do it [03:55] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:55] mrselfpwn: then you pass a resume parameter to lilo to tell it where to resume from.. in my case it uses my swap partition [03:55] right [03:56] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [03:57] Old_Fogie: well, the code is definitely oriented around dir lock/notify, but it seems to be merely a compile mechanics issue ... some #define is not getting set correctly somewhere [03:57] Old_Fogie: and there's a snarly nest of them, so its hard to follow, and probably even harder to make code changes around it [03:58] Wescotte, take a look at this in the hibernation section while I continue to search; http://www.linux.com/articles/54610 . [03:58] Action: rk4n3 sympathizes with the samba developers [03:58] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.164.14.191) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:59] rk4n3: yeah I dont know, I'd email Mr. V but he'd probably tell me to kiss off ya know. I mean Ihave no idea what the culprit is ya know. [04:00] Old_Fogie: I hear ya - these kind of compile issues are tricky - there's probably some easy fix, but finding which #include or #define or ./configure option to add/subtract can be a long row to hoe [04:00] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:00] i even tried jdk onboard / offboard - even older jdk from 12.1 [04:01] ah, this is much lower than jdk, I wouldn't expect jdk to affect it [04:01] Wescotte, look here as well. Click the first link with the notepad. It seems insightful. http://www.linux.com/articles/54610 [04:01] oops wrong link [04:01] http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html [04:01] there ya go [04:03] lookig at the irc logs i see alot of ppl tweaking their boot times. Is there a good tutorial/how-to (slackware specific) on this, what tools should i use to figure out where boot takes longest [04:03] rk4n3: welp I'm trying system with en_US locale (lilo, and root) and ifthis dont work, it's back to 12.1 [04:03] google returns no usefull info [04:03] so, if sendmail isin't running, cron cant send the job outputs to the user, right? [04:03] Old_Fogie: hey, how ya doin tonite ? [04:04] foureyes779: with Slackware lousy, all around fine thank you and you ? [04:04] Old_Fogie: I'm looking at a samba patch that looks to solve a similar problem - in the patch, they're switching the order of a couple #include lines, and changing the subdirectory of one ... [04:04] rk4n3: I mean how would you even report something like this? [04:04] Wescotte, again look at this site; http://www.tuxonice.net/ [04:04] Old_Fogie: finally got the CTRL+ALT+Fn problem fixed in X [04:04] foureyes779: oh what was it? [04:04] BrunoX1ambert (n=BxL@dsl-236-125-72.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:04] mrselfpwn: yeah I've been reading the tuxonice site.. [04:05] rk4n3: ohyea? [04:05] turns out I was missing libxkbfile [04:05] foureyes779: oh that'll do it :) [04:05] must'a missed it somehow. [04:05] foureyes779: you did an upgrade no? [04:05] foureyes779: not a reinstall? [04:05] Old_Fogie: anyway, just wanted to thank you again for helping out the other day. You got me goin in the right direction [04:06] renew01 (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [04:06] foureyes779: glad to help :) [04:06] Old_Fogie: yeah, it was an upgrade [04:06] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:06] I went from 12.0-12.2 in 500 easy steps [04:06] rk4n3: I guess...do a full installation even with kde on board and then try and rebuild, and if same error then send Mr. V a note? [04:06] anyone trying KDE 4.2 beta2 on Slack 12.2? [04:06] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Old_Fogie: does kdirwatch.cpp include inotify.h before line 75 ? [04:07] Action: Old_Fogie says in scooby doo voice "i dunno waggy" heh [04:07] haha [04:07] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Wescotte, are you hibernating to swap mostly? [04:08] Old_Fogie: i was looking in the /etc/rc.d directory for issue's, and you had pointed out reviewing xorg.conf.... [04:08] Action: rk4n3 offers a scooby snack for a vim session [04:08] mrselfpwn: yes, always to swap. BRB found a switch that might fix the issue.. some sorta "UseDummyXServer" option.. gonna give it a shot [04:08] w8 before you go [04:08] Is your swap at least as big as your ram? [04:09] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:09] as opposed to "UseXserverDummy" ? [04:09] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left ##slackware. [04:09] you talking smack? [04:09] heh [04:09] gonna repeat myself: Is there a good tutorial/how-to (slackware specific) on this, what tools should i use to figure out where boot takes longest? [04:09] ok, carry on Wescotte, i hope it works. [04:10] Old_Fogie: if you do a find for kdirwatch.cpp under the KDE source tree, you can vim it and look for inotify.h ... if you find it before line 75, there might be a quick fix for this issue... [04:10] rk4n3: yes #include is on line 74 [04:10] pookiewookie, Old_fogie has a couple of tweaks to cut back on boot time. [04:10] rk4n3: yeah I did 'tree -inapugf -o ./filelist.txt' and grepeed [04:10] aha - change that to #include and see if that fixes it [04:10] foureyes779: ah I see [04:11] Old_Fogie: ? do u? [04:11] rk4n3: ok make a diff patch we'll see [04:12] pookiewookie_: yup hang on one sec (tho remember their "unsported" by Slack official" [04:12] Old_Fogie: yeah - if this works cool - if it comes out with something way different, there's one more piece of that patch that might help [04:12] ok :) [04:13] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: [04:13] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-186-76.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:14] hmmm [04:14] ?? [04:14] Well, it seems "better" but still slow as all hell [04:14] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-134-144.b2b2c.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:14] then it aint fixed [04:14] mrselfpwn: no go.. seems better but still god awfully slow.. brb again gotta reboot :) [04:14] ok [04:15] pookiewookie_: http://pastebin.com/d3468d1a1 [04:16] Old_Fogie: here's the other relevant portion of the patch ... change a line "#ifndef HAVE_INOTIRY_INIT" to "#if 0", which will effectively comment out that respective block. If one or both of these patch changes doesn't fix your compile for kdirwatch.cpp, then I'm probably on the wrong track. If if does fix it for that file, you may have to repeat the fix for other files, but it might actually work for you... [04:16] sorry, s/HAVE_INOTIRY_INIT/HAVE_INOTIFY_INIT [04:16] rk4n3: yes it's building now, takes me about 10 minutes to get to the 'error' while make is running [04:16] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:17] ok [04:17] rk4n3: I wonder if I yanked samba for testing purposes, and ran the build if it'd work. 'inquiring minds wanna know (tm)" [04:18] rk4n3: possible way to test if it is in fact samba related [04:18] rk4n3: should this fail [04:18] rk4n3: ok different looking error now [04:18] kdirwatch.cpp:86: error: 'int inotify_rm_watch(int, __u32)' was declared 'extern' and later 'static' [04:19] /usr/include/sys/inotify.h:88: error: previous declaration of 'int inotify_rm_watch(int, uint32_t)' [04:19] http://imagebin.org/34918 just a duck [04:19] rk4n3: [04:19] ^^ [04:19] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:19] a conversing duck [04:20] I really need to start reading all the tutorials on doing cool graphics.... [04:20] foureyes779: heh [04:20] Old_Fogie: sorry, bio-break :) [04:20] it is talking about quackers I take it? [04:20] Old_Fogie: yes, that definitely looks like it needs the second part of the patch [04:21] rk4n3: you have the link there? maybe I'll shoot that out to Mr. V to backup what I do/does? [04:21] http://www.nabble.com/Samba4-compiling-error-td20182680.html [04:21] mrselfpwn: hmm I'm pretty sure it's some goofy video driver issue.. I'm just going to keep an eye out for a solution but it doesn't seem like a huge deal right now to just shutdown [04:22] yes [04:22] Old_Fogie: about half-way down the article is that patch, and I just lifted the meaningful parts [04:22] Wescotte [04:22] are you using the hibernate script [04:22] Old_Fogie: ... its a samba patch, but the dependencies are similar to what you're facing [04:22] mrselfpwn: I've tried with and without it. same results [04:22] i'm reading that it needs to unload the video module [04:22] wow that's greek to me rk4n3 :) [04:23] mrselfpwn: even when you're not in X? [04:23] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) left irc: [04:23] id [04:23] idk [04:23] rk4n3: I'm gonna just shoot him off a note, and give him the link I think (mention you ofcourse :) [04:23] haha - scary thing is its almost greek to me, too - I'm an old-school C guy, but there's so much code that I don't have much chance of understanding all of it, I'm just picking around the edges [04:23] mrselfpwn: hmm or the "intel_agp" module prehaps? that's going if I'm not in X still I think. [04:23] hibernate scripts > allow it to uoad nvidia modules > add hibernate-cleanup to boot. is what i'm reading [04:23] Old_Fogie: thx [04:24] pookiewookie_: worked? [04:24] yes, replace nvidia with intel_agp [04:24] s/uoad/unload [04:24] didnt try it yet, gonna later today [04:25] Old_Fogie: before forwarding on to Pat, I'd try out the second part of the patch and see if it solves the compile for kdirwatch.cpp at least ... [04:25] mrselfpwn: it's got a ton of blacklisted modules to unload which it is.. I'm trying "all modules" this time to see if that makes any difference [04:25] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] ok [04:25] rk4n3: ok [04:26] ok [04:26] rk4n3: I've got no idea what to put in there tho, ther'es a few patches ont hat page not sure which is which [04:26] rk4n3: what d'ya suggest [04:26] Old_Fogie: there's a good chance it will, but we could also hit a whole 'nother error altogether [04:26] Old_Fogie: oh, here it is... [04:27] Old_Fogie: find a line in that same file (kdirwatch.cpp) that says "#ifndef HAVE_INOTIFY_INIT" [04:27] Westcotte [04:27] Old_Fogie: ... and change it to "#if 0" [04:27] Wescotte, how big is your swap? [04:28] rk4n3: says not found [04:28] doing find in the file [04:29] rk4n3: only a #ifdev HAVE-DNOTIFY [04:29] Old_Fogie: hmmm.... [04:29] rk4n3 your name sound like a cuss word. [04:30] just an observation. :) [04:30] Old_Fogie: is there references to inotify in the block after that line ? [04:30] mrselfpwn: oh ? how so ? [04:30] rk4n3: only without the init at the end are there sections [04:30] Just to me I guess lol [04:31] rk4n3: ok well that's it for me tho, can't do anymore on it. I truly thank ya for the effort there :) [04:31] Old_Fogie: so there's some references to something like inotify_rm_watch ? [04:32] It just reminds me of rake ass for some reason. [04:32] mib_1gl6c1 (i=dd80efe7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7afce4a2317eb831) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Old_Fogie: ok - only so much time for any problem I guess :) [04:32] mrselfpwn: lol [04:32] don't ask XD [04:32] lol [04:33] mrselfpwn: if you were to say it, it would be pronounced "arcane", actually ;) [04:33] yes, I know :) [04:33] mrrakeass [04:33] lol [04:34] well, time for bed - g'night all :) [04:34] night [04:35] don't let the software bugs bite [04:35] mrselfpwn: 3gig [04:35] and how much ram do you have? [04:35] mrselfpwn: 2gig [04:35] ok [04:35] did that help at all bud? [04:36] what is the hibernate-cleanup I am seeing others say to add to boot? [04:36] mrselfpwn: nope.. it failed to unload many modules (including the agp_intel stuff) but I know for a fact with slack12 I was able to safely hibernate w/o a script using the echo disk /sys/... command and it worked [04:37] Wescotte: how to do it without a swap partition ? [04:37] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:37] mib_1gl6c1: I've never done it but you can [04:38] I was thinking maybe use a usb key or something [04:38] mrselfpwn: nah, swap partition on my HD is faster to write to [04:39] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245205.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:39] I'm just gonna put it on the todo list as I don't see a solution coming anytime soon :) I think its' gonna be one of those little annoying bugs that takes 6 months to figure out (or magically go away next time I upgrade) :) [04:39] what command did you say you use to invoke the hivernate? [04:40] hibernate [04:40] mrselfpwn: echo disk > /sys/power/state [04:40] is the manual way.. but like I said I have the scripts too.. [04:41] hello [04:41] both methods produce the same sluggish video when I restore it [04:41] what about uswsusp [04:41] what's that? [04:41] read here [04:41] http://www.linux.com/articles/54610 [04:42] under hibernate section [04:42] mrselfpwn: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/power/swsup.txt [04:42] Wescotte: that may be some kind of dri-unlock not being called. Is there a way when you hibernate to take down the video card driver model, and drm that X uses and then restore that way. [04:43] Old_Fogie: Yeah, the scripts should take care of that.. However I still have the same issue if I hibernate from a console [04:43] Wescotte: for example, when I upgrade fglrx on my towere right..I goto runlevel 3 by 'telinit 3' then I 'rmmod fglrx' then I 'rmmod drm' then remove the existing fglrx then install the new one. [04:43] Wescotte: oh ok. [04:43] wasn't it not taking down your module Wescotte? [04:43] for the vid card [04:44] jescisp2s (i=1000@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:44] mrselfpwn: no it said it wasn't taking down a bunch of modules.. I did notice intel_agp was one listed but I didn't get a chance to see what they all were [04:44] if you have a Intel GMA 950 Gfx, which driver should you choose for Xorg? [04:44] ok [04:44] Intel i810? [04:44] IntangibleLiquid: "Intel" should auto detect [04:45] imexius: err Driver "intel" [04:45] Wescotte: so I'll skip the part of choosing a driver from the database? [04:45] um [04:45] right, but for me I have an "i810" video card that uses intel...but to 'rmmod' it, I must use 'rmmod i810' not 'rmmod intel' [04:45] choose the correct driver intangibleliquid [04:45] IntangibleLiquid: what are you using that is producing this list? [04:45] lsmod should show wich intel is used in X [04:46] xorgconfig [04:46] was building my slack up [04:46] IntangibleLiquid: pretty cool nick there [04:46] yeah, choose the correct driver [04:46] Xorg -configure is the way to go now [04:46] just install X [04:46] briareus: thanks, just playing with words [04:46] Old_Fogie: that what xorgsetup uses? [04:46] if you got intel you may need to blacklist aiglx from starting with X [04:46] Old_Fogie: ok [04:46] or heed Old_Fogies' advice [04:46] Traveler (n=traveler@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Wescotte: it creates a file in /root for the autogen'd xorg.conf file [04:47] ok i can not seem to find where i can change the welcome text before the login prompt when booting into runlevel 3. i know u can change it bc its already changed from me lol i wanna change it again. thx [04:47] i use intel here [04:47] yeah, i'm nvidia [04:47] let me paste bind the aiglx off commands [04:47] Old_Fogie: that command is pretty much done in a matter of miliseconds [04:47] yes [04:47] I'm having trouble installing Lilo, when I start up, I get "L 99 99 99 99..." I think this may be due to the lilo setup not being able to auto detect where to install. [04:47] http://pastebin.com/d21a2c4e4 [04:48] I'm trying to install to the MBR [04:48] IntangibleLiquid: yup it's done fast then cp it over to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and review what I pasted here [04:48] IntangibleLiquid: a few seconds ago [04:48] Old_Fogie: what is aiglx? [04:48] If I boot with AIGLX allowed to run...my i810 locks up my whole box [04:48] Old_Fogie: I'm in irssi so links don't work for me [04:49] pencil :D [04:49] they stillhave them no? :) [04:49] Old_Fogie: it seems to use my previous config still, which failed [04:49] links or lynx [04:49] Old_Fogie: I don't seem to have to add that aiglx line to my xorg.. intel works for me [04:49] will get you on interwebs in cli [04:49] Wescotte: 24 bit color? [04:49] lemme try again with xorgconfig [04:49] Old_Fogie: yup [04:49] If my bootable drive is /dev/sda1 [04:50] right :) [04:50] Would I install Lilo into /dev/sda1 for the MBR? [04:50] again, should I choose Intel i810(generic)? [04:50] Wescotte: i can only get 16 bit color with an i810 card [04:50] Or do I install into the "superblock"? [04:50] IntangibleLiquid: xorgsetup seems to be pretty effective if you let it probe your hardware [04:50] IntangibleLiquid: intel is just intel in xorg.conf [04:50] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [04:50] Traveler: I went with MRB [04:50] ok [04:50] Wescotte: so if no 24 bit color, no chance of aiglx...let alone..the intel driver for i810 doesnt support aiglx [04:50] Old_Fogie: onboard or an actually card card? [04:51] Nick change: Traveler -> redtricycle [04:51] Wescotte: onboard i810 [04:51] testing, can anybody hear me? [04:51] redtricycle: loud and clear good buddy [04:51] ah...I see [04:51] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-6ed34e030b634dca) joined ##slackware. [04:51] sorry, i forgot to identify and didnt know if the chan saw [04:51] Wescotte: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03) [04:51] using the java client atm, b/c trying to instal llilo T_T [04:52] a "true" 810 ; not many of them left these days , :) [04:52] box is almost 10 years old [04:52] Hrm, okay, so installing into the MBR gives me thE "L 99 99 99 99.." error [04:52] fatal error: could not open default font "fixed" [04:52] after I start up [04:52] IntangibleLiquid: minimal installs will do that [04:52] Reading forums and google says it's related to Lilo [04:52] Old_Fogie: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [04:53] Old_Fogie: I think I was confused.. thoguht i810 was there GMA chips but I guess not [04:53] Wescotte: yes thats a good one, not old at all, think I have that in my acer aspire one iirc [04:53] Old_Fogie: xorgsetup does the detecting well, but I'm having errors with startx now [04:53] Wescotte: that gets dri and compiz-fusion too :) [04:53] Old_Fogie: oh I think my desktop has an i810 on it but I don't use that anymore. I have a crappy Radeon 9200 card on it [04:53] The auto detected location for Lilo was "dev/hdc" [04:53] IntangibleLiquid: I dont use xorgsetup; I use 'Xorg -configure' [04:53] However, i get the erro rmessage "Fatal: open /dev/hdc: No such device ot address" [04:54] I also typed in /dev/sda [04:54] should I type in /dev/sda1? [04:54] I also ented boot=/dev/sda1 for the extra parameters [04:54] redtricycle: fdisk -l should tell you what parition to use [04:54] Okay, my boot partition is /dev/sda1 [04:54] So I should use that? [04:54] Old_Fogie: still the same error: could not open default font "fixed" [04:54] what the heck does that mean? [04:55] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: [04:55] redtricycle: what are you trying to do again? install lilo? [04:55] Wescotte, yep [04:55] because, I can't boot [04:55] redtricycle: to the MBR? [04:55] I get a "L 99 99 99 99" error [04:55] RIght, I'm trying to install inTO THE MBR [04:56] Err, tapped the caps lock at first [04:56] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [04:56] (laptop keyboard) [04:56] IntangibleLiquid: run the "Xorg -configure' as root, cp /root/xorg.conf.new (or whatever it is) over to /etc/X11 as xorg.conf (note the rename there); backup your exisitng /etc/X11/xorg.conf first. [04:56] redtricycle: did you make a lilo.conf? or what are you using? [04:56] I'm using the slackware cd [04:56] IntangibleLiquid: you have to be out of X to run that command [04:56] running setup [04:56] Old_Fogie: ok [04:56] For the "ConfigurE" step [04:56] redtricycle: and the auto step didn't work? [04:57] nod [04:57] I tried "Simple" [04:57] and it cant detect the correct device [04:57] IT autodetects /dev/hdc, which doesnt exist [04:57] redtricycle: I've never actually done it manually :) is there a /etc/lilo.conf on the disc? [04:58] I assume there is [04:58] >_< work, LIlo, work!! [04:58] Okay, going to go through expert again [04:58] Hopefully, adding boot=/dev/sda1 in the extra params, and telling it to install into /dev/sda1 and MBR will make it work [04:58] Are there any other ideas? [04:58] redtricycle: ok 1 sec pulling up liloconf [04:59] redtricycle: boot = /dev/sda [04:59] i have several partitions on this drive, though [04:59] that won't wipe the whole drive? [05:00] Old_Fogie: sorry to bug you, but the same "could not open default font 'fixed' fatal server error message [05:00] redtricycle: if you're writing to the MBR you want /dev/sda [05:00] redtricycle: my lilo.conf says boot=/dev/sda as well and I wrote to the MBR [05:01] okay, let me try that [05:01] IntangibleLiquid: have you insalled the fonts from sectin (x) of the install media? [05:02] Old_Fogie: i did slackpgk install x and added pretty much everything [05:02] Old_Fogie: this is a minimum install from CD1 [05:02] Wescotte, same error [05:02] IntangibleLiquid: did you run 'pkgtool' 'setup' and the mkfonts stuff that's there at all? [05:03] "L 99 99 99 99 99 99..." [05:03] wait, i'll check [05:04] Old_Fogie: Bingo! thanks [05:04] IntangibleLiquid: :) [05:05] ok, fetching xfce, the local mirror speed is usually 160kbps, which is not bad, right? [05:05] IntangibleLiquid: had you rebooted, believe it or not..that would have been caught (wich is soooo anti unix'y like to have to reboot) [05:05] Old_Fogie: yeah man [05:05] redtricycle: how many drives do you have in the machine? [05:06] it's a catch 22, if you put those commands you ran into a 'doinst.sh' in each of the fonts package...none of us would ever get finished installing heh ;) [05:06] Wescotte, two [05:06] Old_Fogie: but rebooting a laptop is quite a usual thing [05:06] one sata, one ide [05:06] /dev/hdd and /dev/sda [05:06] IntangibleLiquid: if you're doing xfce go back into the pkgtool setup, run the gtk ones there and the update desktop database and mime if you dont want to boot [05:07] redtricycle: L [05:07] The first stage boot loader has been loaded and started, but it can't load the second stage boot loader. The two-digit error codes indicate the type of problem. This condition usually indicates a media failure or bad disk parameters in the BIOS. [05:07] redtricycle: Mismatch between drive and BIOS geometry, or a bad map file. Some evidence that LINEAR needs to be set on the disk (see LiloNotes) [05:07] ..huh [05:07] what does that mean? [05:07] the BIOS isnt seeing the drive? [05:08] redtricycle: got me but that's what the 99 error code is :) [05:08] IntangibleLiquid: or take a look at this; I use this to shorten boot time or after I install remove, etc http://pastebin.com/d3468d1a1 [05:08] redtricycle: trying to figure it out now.. [05:08] " 99 invalid second stage index sector (LILO)" [05:09] Old_Fogie: I'm loggin in XFCE, will you plz repost the link once I get xchat installed? [05:09] redtricycle: how old is this machine? [05:10] Um, five, six years [05:10] Though, all I changed was the hard drive [05:10] I put in a Velociraptor drive [05:11] And I'mn intsalling SLack 12.2 onto it [05:11] redtricycle: your linux boot partition is the first one right? [05:11] yes [05:11] /dev/sda1 [05:11] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) left irc: "leaving" [05:11] MY swap is /dev/sda5 [05:11] jescisp2s (i=1000@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] redtricycle: http://wiki.linux.net.nz/LiloNotes <-- seems to have the solution [05:11] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [05:11] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [05:11] IntangibleLiquid: http://pastebin.com/d3468d1a1 [05:12] Old_Fogie, thanks man checking it out [05:12] redtricycle: read the Linear mode section [05:12] feel empowered [05:12] IntangibleLiquid: obviously dont bother Mr. V if that fails (but I've been using that for all of slack 12.1) [05:13] Old_Fogie, so, what am I supposed to do with that? [05:13] IntangibleLiquid: oh then dont use it if you dont know what it does (first rule of thumb on irc ) :) [05:13] add it to rc.local? [05:13] Okay, so...Wescotte, how do I install Lilo without using seTUP? [05:13] because, I don thave liloconf [05:13] I can't seem to start mysqld :\ I get the error "manager of pid-file quit without updating file." [05:13] when I'm running off the cd [05:14] redtricycle: check the /etc/lilo.conf after running liloconfig [05:14] Old_Fogie, i'm tempting fate [05:14] redtricycle: if it seems to have the correct settings you can just do "lilo -L" [05:15] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Client Quit [05:15] IntangibleLiquid: basically, those are the snippets of items in the /etc/rc.d/rc.M file that I've found are needed on a day in / day out boot process of Slackware for a system that doesnt add fonts all the time, get upgraded constantly or run the sciim stuff. So like the top of the file says, I comment out that stuff in rc.M ; and then when I add stuff/upgrade...then I just run that file and it's in essence running those thin [05:15] IntangibleLiquid: that doesnt get 'added' to anything..it only gets executed if I upgrade/update, or add fonts [05:16] but my old pc takes a half an hour to boot slack 12.2...so it's no choice for me [05:16] I have to do that [05:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:16] Old_Fogie, ok, so basically I save that to /etc/rc.d/rc.gtk-stuffm make it exe, and run it whenever there are changes? [05:17] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:17] Old_Fogie, half an hour? is it a hyperbole? [05:17] Wescotte, same error [05:17] L 99 99 99 99.. [05:17] Hmm... [05:17] oh gee, does freenode allow such long nicks? [05:17] IntangibleLiquid: yup and ofcourse, add a # sign to the same items that are in /etc/rc.d/rc.M file (as on a stock system they're un-commented so those things *do* run) ; b [05:17] Now, I'm not using LBA32 addressing, according to the lilo vs lilo -L output [05:18] sahko, it's freedom of choice dude [05:18] IntangibleLiquid: no...sadly it's slack 12.2...and I'm yanking it off my boxes now as we speak. I cant use this version :( [05:18] bbl all, cu [05:18] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [05:18] redtricycle: hmm then try top method about disk=/dev/hdb bios=0x80.. [05:18] freedom is an overrated illusion, like linux on the desktop [05:18] Wescotte, ok [05:18] I'm looking at my BIOS [05:18] freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose [05:18] and it does show the sata drive in the boot options [05:19] maybe I need to install the MBR into the /dev/hdd [05:19] ...but why doesnt the SATA show in the BIOS? [05:19] redtricycle: oh wait.. did you say you have two drives? [05:19] Yes, okay, in the BIOS I made the sata drive the bootable one [05:19] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:19] let me try that... [05:20] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-187-116.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [05:20] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-187-116.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:20] OKay, now I see a blank screen [05:20] let me try using standard VGA instead of the fancy vga [05:21] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [05:22] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [05:23] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) left irc: "Leaving" [05:24] Al_Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:26] redtricycle: any luck? [05:26] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-56-251.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:27] Wescotte, it works [05:27] BIOS wasnt looking at the correct bootable HD [05:27] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host83-170-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:27] why did slackware jump up to version 9ish again? I'm talking like 4 years ago, was it because like everyone else was up at like version 8ish or 9ish? [05:27] >_< [05:27] sorry, I should have emphasized I had two HDs [05:27] And, the second problem was [05:27] my vid card only supports standard VGA [05:28] http://omploader.org/vMTM1aQ Ubuntu, how it should have been [05:28] redtricycle: ya did i Just misread.. No big deal least you got it working [05:28] briareus: ya, it was for "marketing" [05:28] SiegeX: yeah [05:29] to be 'up to date' or something [05:29] Wescotte, thanks for sticking with me till the end! [05:29] NOw I can sleep [05:29] =P [05:29] heh nite [05:29] comsa (n=comsa@CPE-124-178-48-107.wa.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[05:45] Action: edman007 pulls it up on youtube [05:46] oh, yea, i've hear that song...in movies i think, cause i never saw that music vid [05:46] here in my car I feel safest of all. I can lock all my doors [05:46] it's the only way to live, in cars [05:46] yes lol [05:47] and that looks like a vampire [05:47] he regrets his 80s fasion [05:47] lol, i hope so [05:47] nice song [05:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP2h16m8X1Y [05:49] yes :D [05:49] He was the pioneer of dark wave music [05:50] gyroscope (n=master@85.98.207.131) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Depeche Mode is a similar type group. [05:50] i dont know any other stuff of his though [05:51] hmm [05:51] i'll find one [05:53] tecno [05:53] ok, no stalkers [05:53] here is my myspace [05:53] www.myspace.com/jacktrust [05:53] like 7 of his songs [05:54] oh i know this too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcOw6OkoV1Q didnt know it was him though. [05:54] yes :) [05:54] that was a big hit [05:54] Anyone here use a Intel GMA chip on anotebook where the external VGA connection is not a duplicate of the notebooks screen? [05:55] funny cat [05:55] haha thanks [05:56] mmmm melisa [05:56] ??? [05:57] i said no stalkers [05:57] ;) [05:59] the fold song is off my own server, though for some reason it has continuously increasing worse quality. [05:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAU8JxfqhoE another unknown to most, electronic pioneer. [05:59] i think it may be my hard drive idk [05:59] i know that song [06:00] oldie but goodie [06:00] just downloadind G N tunes [06:00] nice [06:01] look him up on projectplaylist.com [06:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYovf7Utu80 lol [06:01] lol [06:02] that is an annoying video [06:02] yeah, but funny [06:02] O dear gnutella [06:02] hehe [06:02] yes [06:02] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [06:03] hmm, does anyone know if its possible to sniff a tcp connection that i own (like if i run firefox as me, how can i sniff its connections?) [06:03] or would i have to find some library to load into it and do it [06:04] yes edman007 [06:04] very easy [06:04] mrselfpwn, how? [06:04] tcpdump [06:04] wireshark [06:04] ehh...forgot, i don't want to require root [06:04] ah [06:04] tubeway army mmm [06:05] from what i understand both of those sniff at the interface, which requirers root [06:05] I think you might be able to do it as user bro [06:05] when I look in the /var/run/mysql/ directory, I see no 'mysql.sock' file or anything :\ [06:05] but the data i want does not need root privs...but how do i sniff without using an interface? [06:06] edman007, I usually boot into a livecd to do it which is root by default anyway. [06:06] in terms of cron.... an entry with 0 0 * * 1-6 . Should run Monday-Saturday at midnight... correct? [06:06] and I use an interface [06:06] well the real issue is i don't want to get spammed trying to sniff the massive amounts of data on the interface, i want to sniff data specific to one pid [06:07] i see [06:07] that, and root does not use my users prefs for its stuff [06:07] Is that why I get the error "manager of pid-file quit without updating file."? :\ [06:07] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [06:07] wireshark allows for filtering like that edman [06:07] mrselfpwn, not by pid [06:07] hmm [06:07] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [06:07] it filters by port [06:07] and type [06:07] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:08] though, could you use key words? [06:08] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. 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[06:16] not sure sahko [06:16] though wouldn't mind knowing [06:17] hiptobecubic, splits :( [06:17] s0ber (i=bono@220-136-228-204.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:18] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) got lost in the net-split. [06:18] Nick change: juice_ -> juice [06:19] edman007: when I hit enter or type anything for the passwqord it won't let my go on. :\ [06:20] jescisp2s, mysqladmin to set it [06:20] edman007: when running mysql_secure_install that is. >_>' [06:21] jescisp2s, i forget, its usually not difficult to do... [06:21] google for the process, or just get it running and use phpmyadmin for the pass [06:28] I can't even start the mysqld(mysql.server) getting error 2002 I mentioned earlier -_- [06:30] TwinReverb (n=newbie@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:31] hmm [06:31] Anyone here pretty decent with xrandr? I have an Intel GMA chip in my notebook. I'm trying to get dual head working but I can only seem to get it to clone my displays. I've sorta got it working by manually setting things in my xorg.conf but external VGA is screen 0 and my notebook screen becomes screen 1. then there is a strange overlap where I see part of the extra VGA and part of the LCD on the LCD rather than them b [06:31] oth being separate. [06:31] TwinReverb: hello :) [06:31] Action: TwinReverb is taking the "mac challenge": his friend is letting him borrow his macbook and he is letting his friend borrow his slackware computer [06:31] When i use xrandr I can only seem to get them to clone rather than be independent screens [06:32] wescotte: it may be that your chipset does not support dual simultaneous head, or at least not in linux. i ran in to that problem with the intel 865GM (but that's considerably older, i know) [06:32] still, i don't know that chipset, so i'm not sure [06:32] bono (i=bono@220-136-228-204.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] TwinReverb: It does under Windows.. I can do 1280x768 (LCD) and 1920x1080 VGA.. [06:33] where both desktops are independent images [06:33] TwinReverb, maybe you can assist Wescotte with his hibernation issue. [06:34] he has a hibernation issue? [06:34] When he hibernates, and boots back up. [06:34] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-187-116.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [06:34] Yes [06:34] His system is sluggish [06:34] after a reboot from hibernation [06:34] heh, yeah i have a hibernation issue too.. When I come back from hibernation my system is really really slow. It seems to be related to drawing video. Doens't matter if I'm in console or X [06:35] if I do an ls in console it's like I'm on a 2400bps modem.. line by line drawing. in X it seems to hang up switching windows or updating large sections [06:35] edman007: you think removing it with pkgtool and installing from source be the answer to my problem. Or is it a bug related to slackware+mysql? [06:35] Wescotte: i had issues with my intel video also. now you should be using intelfb rather than vesafb, which would require you to recompile your kernel since slackware has vesafb enabled and it takes over your framebuffer device at boot, preventing the intel framebuffer module (intelfb) from doing its job [06:36] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/toshiba/toshiba.html [06:36] but just don't literally use my kernel config [06:36] jescisp2s, i haven't seen enough to prove anything is wrong, show me the logs from mysqld_safe [06:36] err from when thats run [06:36] usually generic-smp with a couple minor changes is all you really need [06:36] see Wescotte, he has the key. [06:36] TwinReverb: Yeah I'm using HUGE right now.. I didn't bother to make my own kernel yet [06:37] mrselfpwn: hehe maybe.. I'm pretty sure i used the intelfb in 12.1 and had the same issue.. but I'll give it a shot [06:37] just try it [06:37] you may experience a miracle [06:37] if not, complain to microshaft [06:37] hah [06:38] I'd still like to get my dual head video working :( [06:38] sorry man it never works for me [06:39] http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html <-- following this docs doesn't seem to do it [06:39] I can get it to work sorta but I can't figure out how to for the LCD to screen 0 and VGA to screen 1 [06:39] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [06:39] and wescotte, while you are in the kernel, have a look around at some of the other settings [06:39] mrselfpwn: hah that could take days :) [06:39] make sure everything you need is compiled in. [06:40] edman007: where is the log? not /var/log/ :\ [06:40] nah [06:40] it doesn't take long [06:40] 6 hours to be thorough [06:40] ok, i've completely rebuilt Slackware 12.2 minimum install in one afternoon :-) [06:40] ;) [06:40] wescotte: the easy way to recompile kernel: go download kernel 2.6.28 from kernel.org, unpack in /usr/src (and uninstall kernel-source package that came with slackware), copy the generic-smp config from the web server if necessary, but put that in /usr/src/linux-2.6.28/.config then go to make menuconfig, make framebuffer <*>, make intel's framebuffer <*>, make the VESA_FB framebuffer [ ], make agp and intel's agp module <*>, and that's all [06:41] then if you don't want to use initrd, go to file systems and make the filesystem(s) that you use <*>. then you can go into the processor features section, select your processor, disable the generic optimizations, then exit, saving the changes [06:41] jescisp2s, /var/lib/mysql/`hostname`.err [06:41] oh, ok [06:42] from there, "make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install", then "cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-test-2.6.28 && cp .config /boot/config-test-2.6.28 && cp System.map /boot/System.map-test-2.6.28" then edit lilo, but instead of changing the one kernel image that's in there, add another one and call it "test" [06:42] TwinReverb: need to do a make oldconfig don't I? since the .config is different version too eh? [06:42] then read my lilo.conf on that page and look at the video=intelfb comment in the append section, and copy that verbatum (or else read /usr/src/linux-2.6.28/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt for other options) [06:43] then save lilo.conf, run "lilo", then exit [06:43] no Wescotte [06:43] no, "make oldconfig" would make the hugesmp.s kernel, which is not recommended for daily use [06:43] hold on i'll find you a link to slackware 12.2's generic-smp config [06:43] that is just the syntax of how you will select options in the kernel [06:43] does make oldconfig pull whatever is in /boot/config? [06:43] TwinReverb: I have one.. it's in /boot [06:43] it is just how it is presented [06:44] pretty sure I tried using generic-smp once and it kernel paniced on me.. [06:44] lemme try real quick.. [06:44] still have it in my lilo conf and all [06:44] no [06:45] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2/source/k/config-generic-smp-2.6.27.7-smp [06:45] do you feel comfortable setting up your kernel fresh? [06:45] arny (n=arny@79.119.154.157) joined ##slackware. [06:45] without using the hugh smp ? [06:46] mrselfpwn: sorta.. I mean there is TONS of stuff I have no idea wtf does but I've done it in the past [06:46] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-80-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [06:46] if you really want to make oldconfig i won't stop you, but the hugesmp.s kernel is massive, and not intended for daily use, as patrick says [06:46] everything that I did not know I googled until I found the answer. [06:46] when I have a .config in my linuxsrc_dir/ make menuconf just uses it right? [06:47] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:47] they should change it from hugesmp.s to BFKsmp.s [06:47] wescotte: it's not the same thing [06:47] siegex: hahaha [06:47] Action: TwinReverb is on a MAC! WTF?! [06:47] lol [06:47] edman007: I made a link to it on the website... www.jescis.net/piiserver.err [06:47] ok.. so what does make oldconfig actually do? read /proc/something and generate a .config? [06:48] my friend was "dumb" enough to give me admin rights, so i will be installing some software on here, but otherwise i will be good, i promise lol [06:48] anyway it's not difficult wescotte, though if you don't have time to do it properly then don't attempt it. [06:48] jescisp2s, you didn't run mysql_install_db [06:48] is the virtualbox seamless mode difficult to acomplish? [06:48] host.frm is installed by that command [06:48] mrselfpwn: it's not an issue of time :) [06:48] edman007: I didn't? [06:48] nope, because thats what it does [06:48] right [06:48] well then [06:49] if you want to have a streamlined kernel [06:49] go for it [06:49] for anything you have a question on [06:49] find out the best answer before you make a choice on the option [06:50] mrselfpwn: explain everything in processor type/features tab :) [06:50] edman007: is there any arguments or options for it? [06:50] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) left irc: "Leaving" [06:50] mrselfpwn: that's pretty much the major confusing portion for me.. [06:50] jescisp2s, don't think so...should just work [06:50] it's just a learning phase [06:50] you won't learn unless you attempt [06:50] it just runs a .sql file to create the mysqldb [06:50] mrselfpwn: like I said.. I've made a custom kernel from the default configs before.. It's just there is so much I'm not exactly sure of.. [06:50] or something like that [06:51] no, wescotte, I would not push you to do it. do what you feel comfortable with [06:52] jescisp2s, might be an option to not install the testdb and to change the location, but the defaults are fine [06:52] when you decide to though, research anything you are unsure on thoroughly [06:52] and i don't want to read man pages [06:52] mrselfpwn: well stuff like this.. CONFIG_X86_GENERIC setting this to N will have no effect as long as I specifiy my cpu correctly right? [06:52] right [06:53] though I set mine to yes [06:53] just for shits and giggles [06:53] but there shouldn't be any apps that just break because I don't have it right? [06:53] I mean everything in slack is -i486.. not compiled and optimized for my cpu anyway.. [06:54] set your cpu [06:54] x86 optimization is not required [06:54] I have done it with and without it [06:54] I like ancients [06:55] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-80-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) left irc: Client Quit [06:55] sdns` (n=swordfis@ip-80-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [06:55] Action: TwinReverb hunts for XFS support for mac [06:55] . [06:55] so what does setting it do? does it just inform the compiler to do generic x86 optimizations? or what.. i guess I don't get what it is.. [06:56] it is mainly for when you are making a distro to boot on many systems [06:56] Action: Camarade_Tux will write fuse/dokan xfs support, one day [06:56] there is something for everyone on slacware ! [06:56] TwinReverb, you will have trouble, just as a GPL kernel can't load a non-GPL compatible module, a non-gpl compatible kernel cant load a GPL module [06:56] thus if FUSE does not do it your out of luck [06:56] wescotte what is your cpu? [06:57] core 2 duo [06:57] ok [06:57] set that, you do not need x86 optimization [06:57] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-12054.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:57] TwinReverb, anyways, FUSE for the mac -> http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/ [06:57] that is not a big thing [06:58] i have a core 2 duo as well [06:58] let me see what I have set at the moment [06:59] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245205.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [06:59] Nick change: agiofws_ -> Agiofws [07:00] Preemption Model.. Set to No Forced.. it recommends Voluntary for desktop and also has Preemptible.. I assume I want Voluntary based on it's description.. It's not a sever it's a workstation [07:01] voluntary=y [07:02] arny (n=arny@79.119.154.157) left irc: "Leaving" [07:02] Wescotte, the more preemption the faster it will feel and the slower it will actually be [07:03] i usually do desktop preempt, not the low-latency desktop pre-empt [07:03] Wescotte, I do not have Generic x86 support enabled in my kernel [07:03] but i also change ticker frequency to 1000 [07:03] yeah I get that.. but I'm asking more along the lines of what sorta tasks would you be doing that require (or recommend maybe is a better word) preempting [07:03] if your CPU is selected above, you don't need generic x86 support because you told it which specific CPU you have [07:04] low latency is usually when you are running stuff like a midi keyboard through it (where you can feel the couple ms of lag) [07:04] edman007: what ever I give up :< [07:04] though If you plan to use a virtual machine, setting ticker frequency to 1000 can cause problems wescotte [07:04] jescisp2s, heh, did you get errors? [07:04] jescisp2s, read a howto ;) [07:04] I won't be doing any VM stuff [07:04] edman007: the same ones [07:04] then you can [07:04] i wouldn't be surprised if there is a boot option to tell the kernel what frequency to use [07:04] if you want [07:04] jescisp2s, could be perms that broke it installing it [07:05] would be cool TwinReverb [07:05] edman007: I've been looking. but I'm running 12.2 of slack :\ [07:05] jescisp2s, well did mysql_install_db throw errors? [07:05] TwinReverb, modern kernels don't really use it anymore [07:06] you turn on tickless kernel and its more or less irrelevant (helps a lot with power too) [07:06] though wescotte, another thing is when it comes to hardware, do what the kernel help files tell you to do. It may be you need to run a specific command to find what your thermal sensors are, do it. [07:06] is tickless safe? [07:06] yea [07:06] yes [07:07] mrselfpwn: I haven't found the ticker freq # option yet.. it under cpu or general? [07:07] eh [07:07] don't recall [07:07] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [07:07] it basically just switches to a better interrupt driver model and drops the timer since its useless with that, the big side effect is it no longer gets spammed with interrupts from the timer and it can sleep longer and work more often [07:08] edman007: no, just warnings about max_join_size. Like you see in the piiserver.err file [07:08] though, it can cause problems if it assumes incorrectly. [07:08] core2 duo's don't support HT either right? [07:08] jescisp2s, nothing on the command line when you do it? [07:08] Wescotte, nope [07:09] the i7 does :) and the P4 does [07:09] no, you can deselect that option [07:09] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-147-154-18.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:09] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [07:09] yeah I know the i7 do.. plan to get one soon actually :) [07:09] you will have to upgrade your motherboard [07:09] edman007: only errors I get is when I run mysql.server I get the error 2002 [07:09] heh, i think my comp is still faster then the i7s, even some of the ones with the overclock [07:10] the i7 will not work in the same socket as the core2's [07:11] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] I need some rest. So I'll deal with it later. :\ [07:11] Eh who uses elvis here as his/her default editor? I'm having trouble when entering multi-byte characters, the position gets messed up. When I use an UTF-8 lang and compose keys that is. [07:11] mrselfpwn: yeah I'm aware of that too :) [07:11] yes [07:12] I want to keep my UTF-8 local for displaying UTF-8, but now entering these chars in elvis is a mess and I dunno what solution there is. [07:12] pisses me off though wescotte [07:12] I bought this shiny f*ing MB because it was upgradable with newer chips [07:12] mrselfpwn: ehh it's expected.. I mean it's a big design change [07:12] now, I have to buy a new one ffs [07:12] bah [07:13] I can't remember the last time I was able to just get JUST a new cpu to run in my current board [07:13] prolly in the 486 days [07:13] well you know [07:13] the technology is there, though if they release it as it is found they wouldn't make any money [07:14] because in one month your 300 dollar MB would be out dated [07:14] I have a trickle down effect.. I get all new hardware.. my old stuff goes into a secondary machine which could be a HTPC/MameBox or whatever.. Or if it's newer than my parents machine I upgrade theirs [07:14] jescisp2s, well read http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/unix-post-installation.html [07:15] well, the core chips are very different than the i7 chips in design.. [07:15] good news is you can probably (in 6months-1yr) get a damn powerful quad core chip for this mb [07:15] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-147-154-18.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:15] none the less, it's not like it was a big surprise to their company [07:15] some sorta extreme edition that costs friggin $1200 now but $300 in a year [07:16] the i7 was probably already invented when our processors hit the market [07:16] Well, what I read (and is hasn't been THAT much) is that the i7 was the most radical change in CPU arch since the Ppro systems [07:16] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.182.8) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Now if it was just some core 2 setup where they decided to change the socket but everything else is the same.. then I'd be more pissed [07:17] yes, i'm sure they have been working on it for 3 years or more as well [07:17] hmm I still don't see the option in to set the tick # :) [07:18] processor type & features [07:18] let me look [07:18] there ya go [07:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151092128.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:18] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:20] so 1000hz seems to be the way to go eh? [07:20] up to you [07:20] i set mine to 300 [07:20] but for tickles [07:20] Action: Camarade_Tux has 100Hz, it saves battery life, even with hpet&co [07:21] read the help section if in doubt [07:21] if it is a laptop, i would go 300 [07:21] Camarade_Tux: how significant is it? [07:21] yeah it's a laptop [07:21] it probes that much faster [07:21] it checks at that rate for change [07:22] Wescotte, that was about one year ago, I think the difference was more than 10 minutes [07:22] what is it a timer for? [07:22] and 1000Hz was terribly bad for the battery [07:22] (10 minutes when compared to the default) [07:22] like say you are playing doom3 and then switch to firefox [07:22] with 1000hz [07:22] it will have a better response [07:22] you can try both, it's only one setting and a recompile, it won't take you more than five minutes [07:22] that is a loose example [07:23] it's for the scheduler then? [07:23] wescotte, the tickless system is under preemption model [07:23] I didn't enable tickless [07:23] where you selected (Voluntary Kernel Preemtion [07:23] ok [07:24] nah the tickless has it's own line [07:24] phpricardo (n=Ricardo@189.73.206.232) joined ##slackware. [07:24] first option in processor type .. is tickless system [07:24] they must have moved it [07:24] phpricardo (n=Ricardo@189.73.206.232) left ##slackware ("Fui embora"). [07:24] 100Hz setting is for servers, maximum throughput and sometimes bad interactivity but that bad interactivity wouldn't happen without firefox/audacious/crappy graphic drivers [07:25] ok, yes, I'm thinking of something different [07:25] now i'm looking and i see it [07:25] think I'll stay at the default 250.. It's a workstation [07:25] checking tickless is ok [07:25] mine is set for tickless [07:26] njathan (i=1000@203.115.70.56) left irc: "Leaving" [07:26] "timer interrupts will only trigger on an as-needed basis..." [07:26] tickless makes this value pretty much dynamic then? [07:26] right [07:27] it makes those probes only activate when needed [07:27] if that makes sense [07:27] I sorta know what a scheduler is all about.. sorta :) [07:28] this is what I gather [07:28] say you set your system to 1000hz [07:28] and you have tickless enabled [07:28] APM is pretty much dead these days right? APCI is what everything really uses? [07:28] even though it is at 1000hz [07:28] it only activates if required [07:29] i may be wrong though that is my best understanding. [07:29] so you're still only able to hit it every 1000hz but instead of calling it every 1000hz it does it on demand.. [07:29] right [07:29] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [07:30] tickless will give you better energy saving capabilities [07:30] and cpu saving [07:30] nwfenton (n=nwfenton@210.182.33.9) joined ##slackware. [07:30] ping [07:30] pong [07:30] hey how do i give someone the ability to run certain commands (ifconfig, iwconfig, iwlist, dhcpcd)? [07:31] :S [07:31] add them to sudo [07:31] how do i do that? [07:32] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.86.238) joined ##slackware. [07:32] actually [07:32] ask TwinReverb [07:32] i need a bio break [07:32] ironically, this is TwinReverb: my friend (this nickname) needs to be able to set up the wireless [07:33] LMFAO [07:33] wtf [07:33] lol [07:33] what are the odds [07:33] Action: nwfenton rtfm's .... [07:35] i am so used to boot, login as root, set up network manually, then log out, log in as user, and startx [07:35] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] yeah [07:35] :)) [07:36] I just use su [07:36] tribeca (n=vedo@host52-14-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Action: nwfenton continues rtfm-ing [07:38] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:38] nwfenton: there is an sudo how to on slackwiki if thats what you're after? [07:41] I like mac because you can change these sort of things on the fly. [07:41] hmm is NTFS-3G (or whatever it's called.. safe write support) have it's own options in filesystem section of the kernel or it's just the NFTS file system support? [07:42] cuz there is a enable write support but it says limited.. [07:42] you can enabe it wescotted [07:43] Wescotte, ntfs-3g is 0% in kernel [07:43] it's safe just limited to same size and name [07:44] ah so keep write support enabled if I want to use ntfs-3g? [07:44] chopp, yeah probably thanks [07:44] or it doesn't even matter? [07:44] i had the same question Wescotte [07:44] Wescotte, I just completely disable ntfs support in kernel and only use ntfs-3g [07:44] Camarade_Tux: ah ok that's what I was wondering if I could do.. thanks [07:44] so it will will work without it then [07:45] i was curious myself [07:46] mrselfpwn: how large is your kernel btw.. just for comparison sake :) [07:46] 2.2 meg [07:46] based on the generic config? [07:47] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [07:47] i did mine from scratch [07:47] or you do like all =n and one by one it? [07:47] nwfenton (n=nwfenton@210.182.33.9) left irc: "Leaving" [07:47] i did make mrproper [07:47] and then make menuconfig [07:48] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:48] what's mrproper do exactly? just some sorta default base .config? [07:48] yes [07:48] it deletes the current .config [07:49] it selects all default stuff [07:49] I wish there was more docs on each setting then just what exists for ?.. Lot of the time I a little about what it's asking but I could use more data.. googling it everytime gets tedious :) tend to follow it's in doubt recommendations [07:50] then i went in and configured it [07:50] or the wording is just foreign but if described slightly differently I'd know exactly what to do [07:50] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:50] yes wescotte, i had to google many options [07:50] but, the cool thing is [07:50] you only have to do it once [07:50] then you will know from here on out. [07:51] I still think it'd be nice if there was a database for major hardware manufactors so you could just d/l a .config for a kernel version [07:51] and make slight changes accordingly.. [07:51] i fell asleep and woke up and continued my research [07:51] there is wescotte [07:51] it's called Windows. [07:51] eh maybe I was just unlucky last few times I did it because they restructured everything the last few times I did it [07:52] slack 12 was still 2.4 right? or was that 11? [07:52] i think 12 still had 2.4 as default [07:52] with 2.6 option [07:52] I didn't switch to slack until they wen to 2.6 [07:52] which was 12.1 [07:52] eh I bet it was 11.. Anyway.. I did it then. then 2.6.something and it all changed.. then the next time I did it tons of stuff changed again.. so it was pretty much a pain :) [07:52] Bonix (n=Bonix@196-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:53] what'd you run before that? [07:53] gentoo [07:53] TwinReverb (n=newbie@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Changing servers" [07:53] Bonix (n=Bonix@196-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:54] heh gentoo is scary :) [07:54] I installed it once on by buddy's PS3 but that's it.. [07:54] pain in the arse sometimes [07:54] and I'm sure it's very diff on the PS3 as everything was pretty much binary packages instead of building stuff [07:54] it kept breaking itself [07:54] i was like F this [07:55] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:55] how long did you use it? [07:55] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [07:55] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:55] when you get over the 'cool i can compile everything' high and realize you just spent money to power your box for 14 hours to get KDE, it kinda wears thin [07:55] 4-5 years [07:55] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [07:55] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:55] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:55] ircleuser (n=newbie@210.182.33.9) joined ##slackware. [07:56] It took time to compile, though i just got fed up with needed packages blocking other needed packages [07:57] for whatever reason it decided it wanted them to block each other out [07:57] I tried Ubuntu and Fedora awhile back and ran into similar problems where upgrading packages would break everything [07:57] yes, gentoo was good at the start [07:57] though, they had a change in leadership and went downhill [07:58] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [07:58] no fork? [07:58] after my normal gentoo box broke, i went to Sabayon, because I didn't feel like reinstalling gentoo [07:59] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:59] never heard of sabayon [07:59] Sabayon is very good and is probably the most cutting edge OS out. [08:00] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Though, I didn't feel in control. [08:00] why are you sprewing bs? [08:00] I finally adopted the slack concept that less is more. [08:00] Action: ircleuser doesn't like mac so far [08:00] cutting edge? [08:00] Nick change: ircleuser -> TwinReverb [08:00] uh oh.. [08:00] mornin' TwinReverb [08:01] Action: TwinReverb doesn't like mac so far [08:01] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:01] yes acidchild [08:01] mainly the keyboard is a pain in the rear [08:01] mornin [08:01] in what sence? [08:01] morninig acidchild [08:01] morning tewmten [08:01] don't come into a conversation when you were not talking to either of us [08:01] TwinReverb: ! [08:01] Mac OS still confuses the shit out of me [08:01] acidchild, TwinReverb =) [08:01] the action is way too heavy [08:01] tewmten! * [08:01] ? what? did i do something wrong?! [08:01] mrselfpwn: or? [08:01] what? [08:01] Action: tewmten passes it to acidchild [08:01] It has the latest packages [08:01] tewmten: mmm thanks man, i'm good atm too [08:02] :] [08:02] cutting edge as far as that [08:02] mrselfpwn: like debian testing? rofl [08:02] =) [08:02] (= [08:02] i just got back from teh uk [08:02] feeling so refreshed after a holiday [08:02] tewmten: happy new year =] [08:02] it also pioneered it's own package management system [08:03] acidchild: yeh you too man [08:03] mrselfpwn: http://www.netbsd.org/docs/software/packages.html [08:03] ^^ thats the pimp of all package management systems. [08:03] Table 1. Platforms supported by pkgsrc [08:03] Channel flood from acidchild -- kicking [08:03] Linux Jun 1999 [08:03] acidchild kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:03] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:03] :> [08:04] and acidchild, learn how to spell spewing. [08:04] omg ircle is insane for mac. when you got kicked it played a sound that sounded dreadfully realistic of someone being kicked in the stomach [08:04] no [08:04] well, gentoo is based off bsd [08:04] think slackboy needs to be tweaked on his flood response :) [08:04] haha [08:06] so what sprewing TwinReverb? [08:06] hey fwiw mac os x looks like nextstep but when you run an xterm (believe it or not, it has xterm) and use "man cp" or whatever the command, the man page says BSD [08:06] i should screenshot this lol [08:06] did you get your friend's permissions set up? [08:07] I thought Mac OX was a BSD kernel [08:07] drat [08:07] TwinReverb: it is based on BSD :P [08:07] Wescotte, long long ago [08:07] ? [08:08] mrselfpwn, BSD? gentoo is a slack derivative [08:08] hold on i'm going to screenshot this [08:09] Darwin nathan-fentons-macbook.local 9.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.6.0: Mon Nov 24 17:37:00 PST 2008; root:xnu-1228.9.59~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 [08:09] no edman007 [08:09] TwinReverb, OSX is nextstep more or less, nextstep was based off BSD [08:09] yeah there's xterm and everything [08:09] there is a Ford dealership in town here named Fenton [08:09] it's actually very shocking [08:09] mrselfpwn, meh, well all the "linux timeline" pics i see show it coming from slack [08:10] TwinReverb, you didn't know that? [08:10] edman007: i didn't know on a personal level. i had read about it but i was shocked that xterm exists [08:10] i.e. the program, in mac [08:11] TwinReverb, well one of the things they did with OSX was really try to appeal to the linux crowd to help get software on OSX, since its so close it was easy, thus all the base things in there are included [08:11] but xorg.conf don't (which would be insanely awesome to find) [08:11] but it does not really have X [08:12] i'm surprised they don't just make a linux port with darwin and a very wisely configured kernel and then sell it for the same price as mac os x for a mac [08:12] it has a hacked up X that does not do much more than provide an API to Aqua [08:12] they've done some serious work on there graphic front end... [08:12] first thing they'd probly do is re-brand that shit [08:12] it would have a lot of linux (generic, sort of) kernel drivers, but it would also have X [08:12] acidchild, the graphic frontend is done mostly in objective is and is based off of what was in nextstep [08:12] i bet what mac has its probly better than X =P [08:13] but just set it up somehow so that people can't justify hacking stuff off of it [08:13] anyways :) [08:13] wow it has glxinfo program [08:13] name of display: /tmp/launch-S2uGRz/:0 [08:13] display: /tmp/launch-S2uGRz/:0 screen: 0 [08:13] direct rendering: Yes [08:13] Channel flood from TwinReverb -- kicking [08:13] server glx vendor string: SGI [08:13] server glx version string: 1.2 [08:13] TwinReverb kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:14] TwinReverb (n=newbie@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:14] sorry [08:14] acidchild, much much better, that is why their stuff looks good, and coding on it is a breeze, objective-c supports some nice things that other OOP langs don't that really help (method overriding, etc) [08:14] wow this is just too much [08:14] portage is based off of bsd pors collection edman007 [08:14] ports [08:14] edman007: :) [08:14] edman007: they should opensouce it ;) [08:14] wow there's the mount program too [08:14] its BASED off BSD! [08:15] omg it has a ifconfig too! [08:15] lol sorry >.< [08:15] and a 'route'! [08:15] dangit no xfs for /sbin/*xfs* [08:15] get darwin ports :-P [08:15] acidchild, so when you write an app for Aqua to extend the Application class, and then extent the window object, in 3 lines of code you can open a window with fully functional default window manager buttons and menus [08:15] Action: TwinReverb has to do that [08:16] edman007: excellentie [08:16] no wonder there apps look so sick [08:16] the whole thing is based off of overriding the defaults instead of adding what you want, so if you don't code you have a fully working default app [08:16] and that helps everyone stick to standards, which is what linux and windows lacks [08:17] HacKBoX (n=hackbox@pool-71-254-85-53.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:17] i thought linux had some standards [08:17] anyone use postfix? [08:17] wescotte, let me know how your kernel build goes [08:17] what kind of standards [08:17] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:17] dovcot errors when i'm trying to move emails from 2008 to a folder called 2008 [08:17] i'm going to sleep [08:17] but it works fine on my other server same setup [08:17] TwinReverb, they do, but the coding style for the gui is based on adding what you want, so its generally easy to code an app that does not support the basics [08:18] in osx to do that you would have to code to remove it [08:18] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [08:18] acidchild, i use it [08:18] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-39-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:18] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-12054.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:18] i copyed like 300 emails on the other server/account, worked fine [08:18] mrselfpwn: will do [08:18] well anyways if i can mount my XFS device in mac os x i will be good [08:18] but its moving 6000+ emails on the other... [08:19] TwinReverb: probly a port [08:19] HacKBoX (n=hackbox@pool-71-254-85-53.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [08:19] edman007: it jsut wont move it :-( i dunno if my mail client has crashed or its doing something atm [08:19] oh shit, i'm moving them to the wrong server :-P [08:20] this could take some time :-P [08:20] TwinReverb, only supports fat/ntfs(with3g in fuse)/ufs/udf/zfs/hfs[+] [08:20] no xfs fuse thingi? [08:21] no xfs for fuse so far [08:21] TwinReverb, most of the linux FSes are not supported because the kernel is not GPL compatible [08:21] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:21] but mac can already write to fat and ntfs so it doesn't need that (nor udf, hfs, or hfs+) [08:21] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [08:21] so i just installed MacFUSE but there is no xfs for it [08:21] TwinReverb, i don't think it writes to NTFS.. [08:21] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [08:21] though i wouldn't know, i don't use NTFS [08:22] it does [08:23] TwinReverb, why do you need XFS? the linux support for hfs is ok, and you might want to try ZFS (though its unstable on osx and linux from what i understand) [08:23] er you're right [08:23] hfs actually supports all perms and stuff [08:23] edman007: the problem is my external USB drive has everything as XFS [08:23] so reformat ;) [08:24] Where I find the inkscape in binary tgz ? [08:24] no, copy :P [08:24] live disk? [08:24] find a live disk that support mac fs thing [08:24] rebootie rebootie :-P [08:25] monstro: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/graphics/inkscape/ [08:25] chopp, thanks [08:25] np [08:26] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [08:27] i haven't use HFS+ on linux in a long time, but the only problem with it is last time i used it umount didn't properly umount it and then mount refused to mount it after that [08:27] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:28] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] no i'll just mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda4 && mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/tmp -t ext3 -o rw && cp -R ~ /mnt/tmp/ [08:29] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/pubavailencsourcecodenofify.html [08:29] i even hate there slogon [08:30] acidchild: you at sevenl. ;) sfw https://www.casebliss.com/pub/network.png [08:32] err http://www.casebliss.com/pub/network.png [08:32] chopp, and the libs where I find? in site too ? [08:32] libs for inkscape... [08:33] chopp: lol [08:33] libsigc++, glibmm etc... [08:33] chopp: :P! [08:34] monstro: it tells you right on the link I gave you. [08:35] i not can searching in site [08:37] monstro: well I not can hold your hand. [08:38] i can has hand? :P [08:38] "whenever you i can has, God kills a lolcat" [08:38] whats with the yoda speak? [08:38] of memes you have much to learn. [08:38] learned you have not [08:39] Action: fred points dTd towards http://icanhascheezburger.com/ [08:40] lots a kitties [08:40] chopp, this don't exist in tgz? [08:41] fred, your awake! [08:41] that pic of the horse rolling looks so familiar [08:41] Action: fred passes edman007 an apostrophe and an 'e' [08:41] fred, ahh, right, it fell [08:41] s/r/'re/ [08:41] fred: in your opinion, is it worth buying a refurb macbook (~$800)? would you put linux on it? just asking.... [08:41] monstro: so read the "how to" page [08:41] little duct tape and its good [08:42] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [08:42] TwinReverb: I might have an opinion on that if I'd ever owned a macbook, or ever tried to put linux on any kind of mac. [08:42] mac isn't bad but the keyboard action is too heavy and i don't like the keyboard type as much [08:42] hu ppl [08:43] mac keyboards are different? [08:43] never used one [08:43] hrmm, messiest desktop shots? I win [08:44] flash043 (n=kvirc@221.158.157.231) joined ##slackware. [08:44] hi all.. i have a few questions about this distro [08:44] anyone here at the moment [08:44] flashyes we are all here [08:44] er flash043 [08:44] awesome... i have an acer travelmate 260 [08:44] with 256 ram [08:44] 120 gb hard drive [08:45] and a working enter key? [08:45] im just wondering if slackware will be able to run on this [08:45] very much so [08:45] flash043 : the memory/drive specs are fine. now, the real issue usually is the rest of the hardware. [08:46] flash043: a good place to find out is linuxquesions.org/hcl [08:46] flash043: also there's linux-laptops.net (iirc) [08:46] also linux-laptop.net, it has howtos for a lot of different laptops [08:46] i may have the website wrong oh wait thanks ananke [08:47] yeah, i used to confuse those two all the time [08:47] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:47] flash043: are you already using linux? can you get an output of "lspci" command into a pastebin so i can look at your hardware? [08:47] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [08:47] fwiw most centrino laptops that are mainly intel-brand hardware usually work on linux to include intel video and intel wireless (almost all of their wireless) [08:47] im using tinyme at the moment [08:48] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:48] what's tinyme? [08:49] my friend has a modern sony vaio that's ICH8 (core 2 duo with centrino) and everything on it works with mandriva linux, i.e. kernel modules, so slackware 12.2 should also work with almost anything that's ICH8 / centrino [08:49] http://pastebin.com/m17f09a5b [08:49] there u go [08:49] my laptop is ICH4 (centrino Pentium-M 1.5GHz) and all my hardware with a couple exceptions is intel brand, and it all works with linux [08:50] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] ouch, you got the atheros wifi. i may be mistaken, but i've heard a lot of people complain about the drivers for it [08:50] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:51] yeah it looks like yours is all intel brand onboard, and 82801 family at that, so yeah, it should basically all work on linux, but i don't know about your wireless [08:51] i suggest trying a knoppix live dvd first. usually in my experience if it works with knoppix it works with slackware [08:52] silly question: why change what you already have? [08:52] it sounds like you have some kind of linux already installed [08:52] i don't like this distro very much [08:53] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] there isn't much support for it out there [08:53] doesn't seem like many are using it [08:53] what's not working in it? [08:53] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:54] sparc-kly (n=mubex@adsl-64-237-241-58.prtc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:54] browser keeps crashing [08:54] because of flash player. [08:54] so update the flash player. [08:54] UTF-9 is not set error [08:54] can't because the repos are frozen [08:55] flash043 : well, either do it manually or via srpms [08:55] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: "leaving" [08:55] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:55] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:55] with slackware, you'd have to do it yourself manually anyway [08:56] there's not much info about that distro on their site [08:56] and even less on PClinux website [08:57] PCoslinux or whatever [08:57] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [08:58] yeah i noticed that [08:58] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:59] bah, the problem with large drives is it takes /ages/ for your raid array to reinitialise after a loose cable [09:00] there's tons of announcments, on almost every page, nothing about the structure, package management, kernel version, ugh... [09:00] I would lose tinyme too [09:01] slackware aint no ubuntu [09:01] reviews = "I DL tinyme and it's great" [09:01] Action: fred replaces dTd with an xml schema [09:01] heh [09:01] sorry for the pun. [09:02] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] is that like minime from that movie :D [09:02] I was born with these initials, can't help it ;) [09:02] initials? [09:02] why the middle letter capitalised? [09:02] dTd yeah they are my initials [09:02] too look cool for the net jeebers ;) [09:03] The what now? [09:03] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] ? [09:03] My thoughts exactly. [09:03] dunno, years ago, back on MIT server, I needed a nick, was the first thing that popped into my head [09:03] dTd : i find your complaint about lack of info regarding package format interesting. try finding that on a slackware site, within reasonable time :) [09:04] ananke: never actually tried to fidn it on slackware.com, note takern though [09:04] dTd : i just did. i gave up after a full minute [09:04] heh [09:05] fred, i got a friend that shares his name with an video extension [09:05] s/an/a/ [09:05] Action: ananke has never found slackware's site particularly easy to navigate [09:05] but just look at the information you get on release 12.2 right on the main page, tinyme has nothing [09:05] ananke, no need to navigate it [09:05] maybe thats the prob [09:05] edman007, his name is Xv ? =D [09:05] avi [09:06] s/extension/container format/ [09:06] ;) [09:06] ... [09:06] whatever [09:06] Action: fred was also thinking along the lines of Xv, aiglx, and so on :p [09:06] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:07] edman007 : what do you mean 'no need to navigate it'? if you visit a website, and start browsing its content, _you are navigating_ [09:07] whats so hard about slackware's website? you have a column on the left that shows me plenty [09:07] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:07] ananke, there is not a lot of stuff on that site, just about every page can be accessed from the side bar [09:07] fred: rtc fixed [09:07] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.0.79) joined ##slackware. [09:07] edman007 : it's called navigation [09:08] Dominian: udev? [09:08] blah blah [09:08] fred: nope [09:08] fred: well sort of [09:08] fred: it was the rtc-cmos entry in isapnp in /etc/modprobe.d [09:08] fred: chech the forum thread for the fix [09:08] edman007 : what, you're unable to discuss things in a civilised manner? are you that much of a zealot? [09:08] to me, they show plenty right on the front page, then you have a link for official announcemnts, package searches, setup , link for slackbook, the sites alright [09:09] and those graphics look great in links :) [09:09] Dominian: hi =) [09:09] http://www.slackware.com/~msimons/slackware/grfx/shared/slackball.jpg i think this is my favorite [09:09] lol. i just think that slackware does not have a complex structure, its not like you have to navigate through a dozen pages to get someone, almost everything is one page deep [09:09] acidchild: haha talk about timing [09:10] s/someone/somewhere/ [09:10] slackware's website is just like the distro, no kludge, no cruft and right to the point, [09:11] i like it that way [09:11] Action: edman007 agrees [09:12] personally, i think that setting the selected page in left menu in its own separate box, thus moving the items around, is a poor design decision. you lose track of where you were at [09:13] naw... its simple, links on the left narrow column and the latest news covering the rest [09:13] having package browser on a completely different site is another odd decision. one might find it a bit suspicious [09:14] but you know who has the last word, Pat V. thats who [09:14] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:15] bah, ats just a simple tool, even kde is its own entity and is a complete desktop environment, it has kpackage as a package browser [09:16] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-61-46.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] i wonder who takes care of the mirror list. that's in a desperate need of an update [09:16] yes! i agree about the mirror list [09:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:17] there is a LUG that has been dead for a while, kindof stinking up the place like an old corpse [09:17] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left ##slackware. [09:17] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [09:18] its gone! [09:18] http://mirror.mhvlug.org/slackware/ nope, here it is [09:20] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [09:20] hmm..those guys have a slack mirror? [09:20] Action: edman007 wonders how close it is to him [09:20] http://www.slackware.com/config/packages.php two clicks [09:21] http://mhvlug.org/Main_Page [09:22] Pig_Pen, funny, i was looking at those guys a few days ago (i think they are kinda close to me) [09:22] http://www.eclug.net/ this is the one I'm a member of :) [09:22] dTd : true, but tell me how much time it took you to find it :) [09:22] kama (n=kama@host236-93-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:22] kama (n=kama@host236-93-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:22] ananke: founs it randomly yeah [09:22] yup, only an hour drive [09:22] found* [09:23] you know what's missing from slack's page? basic search [09:23] dTd, CT?!?! [09:23] dTd, where are you? [09:23] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Action: edman007 is in kent [09:23] connecticutt [09:23] kent is uhh where? [09:24] england? [09:24] half way between danbury and torrington, just north of newmilford [09:24] We are always looking for speakers, if anyone is interested in talking about slackware or whatever [09:24] edman007: cool [09:24] thats not that far [09:24] dTd, where are you? [09:25] I live in Griswold, just north of Jewet City [09:25] Little north of Norwhich [09:25] ahh [09:25] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [09:25] but, I lived for most of my life in East Lyme [09:25] fred, i'm in the town that the creator of family guy grew up in [09:26] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [09:26] 47 now, so even though I've been here 7 years, it's a short time :) [09:26] dTd is a Lyme-y? [09:26] and my 5th grade math teachor still has pics of Bert and Erny that he drew in 5th grade (i bet its worth a lot of money) [09:27] LSD`: wel, more like swamp yankee [09:27] LSD`, damn lyme, the ticks love to give it to me :( [09:27] edman007: wow, probably [09:28] edman007: yeah, those ticks are bad, never had lyme disease though all my horses have had it and my cousin has chronic lyme [09:28] My grandmother had a wall of stuff we drew/painted/whatever in her place one. It had to go when she moved though, which was a pity [09:28] i had lyme ~3 times, my brother had it 4 or 5 times, my dog died of it [09:28] ugh [09:28] As embarrasing as it is later in life, it's the kind of stuff you want to hang on to if you can [09:28] i got bells palsy from it the second time i got it [09:28] doxycycleme [09:28] s/m/n [09:29] what's this 'export' command all about? [09:29] limac, makes it stick...otherwise its scope is the line (or the file for scripts) [09:30] edman007: roger that. [09:30] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.182.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:30] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.38.198) joined ##slackware. [09:30] No manual entry for expor ;) [09:30] might be a bit wrong about the scripts though... [09:30] its in bash, it't a built in [09:30] man bash [09:30] yeah I know [09:30] I was just checking [09:31] it sets varibles globally doesn't it? [09:31] oh well, that was good, satifies what I was looking for. ;) [09:31] so this: export LFS=/mnt/lfs; sets LFS in the script to the location /mnt/lfs? [09:32] yes [09:32] ah cool! [09:32] thanks edman :) [09:32] i don't think you need it in scripts though [09:33] unless you plan to source it and want LFS to come out of the script [09:33] just run it in the shell, then it's set for that session [09:33] oh. [09:33] any script you run in that session will inherit that variable [09:33] ahh, i see exactly, it puts it in the environment, thats exactly what it does [09:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [09:34] so X=2 sets the variable to X, and then export X makes X an environmental variable [09:34] :) [09:35] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.86.238) left irc: Connection reset by peer [09:35] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [09:36] edman007: define environmental variable. [09:37] everytime you start bash, it sets a localised environment [09:38] it will inherit the environment from previous bash sessions [09:38] ah gotcha. [09:38] so if you export variables from .bashr for example, all sub shells will inherit them [09:38] limac, stuff that the `env` command sees [09:39] .bashrc [09:39] wow, ok now clear. :) [09:41] even more than that, type $ and notice all the environment variable names [09:41] you can chekc their setting with echo $variable_name [09:41] all variables tab-complete and are echoable, not just environment variables. [09:42] time for ##bash lol [09:42] example echo $TERM for my equals rxvt-unicode [09:42] fred, aren't those environment variables anyway? [09:43] no. [09:43] sweet, I started a debate :) [09:43] foo=bar; sh -c 'echo $foo' [09:43] not really, I was asking [09:44] then try the same, except with 'export ' at the start. [09:44] only environment variables get inherited [09:44] (by subprocesses, not just subshells) [09:44] ahh [09:44] well, step in and tell the man straight ;) [09:44] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [09:46] zzzzzxx (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:46] ed___ (n=ed@92.22.217.253) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFBCF9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [09:48] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.145) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Hello [09:50] Um, what exactly is slackware-current? How does it differ from slackware-12.2? [09:50] zzzzzxx (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [09:51] right now it doesn't [09:51] Ah [09:51] since slack12.2 was just released it "is" current [09:51] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:51] It's just there are loads of packages that I could get in 12.1 that I can't in 12.2 :-( [09:52] from? [09:52] Well, it could have been from slacky, but I think that the main site is missing some [09:52] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [09:52] Maybe I'm talking rubbish [09:52] slackbuilds.org has most build scripts for packages, and usually if they work in 12.1 they'll compile in 12.2 [09:52] I was looking into slackbuilds, but I don't want to muck around building stuff [09:52] it's very easy [09:52] comsa (n=comsa@CPE-124-178-48-107.wa.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:53] Yeah [09:53] Just takes time to compile, though I could leave it [09:53] you're basically running the slackbuild script, then installing the resulting package [09:53] Trouble is, then I'd wait for ages for the package I need. Oh Well. [09:53] How long would you expect QT4 to take to compile on a box with a Q6600 and 1 stick of RAM - 2GB at 800mhz? [09:54] not sure [09:54] Meh alright [09:54] there's packages in testing [09:54] I'll have to just leave it , see if it works in a bit [09:54] Oooh? [09:54] How unstable are they? [09:55] but those won't coincide with qt3 so you'd have to remove that first [09:55] works ok [09:55] I tried it for a day, realised I liked Amarok better in qt3,, reverted [09:55] Ah crap [09:55] I'm using KDE3 [09:55] Is QT4 slackbuild mutually exclusive witht hat? [09:55] right, thats a complete setup for going to kde4 [09:56] the slackbuilds qt4 does coincide I believe [09:56] marvellous [09:56] I'm pretty sure it shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to compile [09:56] I think I'll leave it and get on with my work [09:56] Let's play Maths -_- [09:56] heh [09:56] Thanks for the help [09:56] np [09:56] And it took quite a bit longer than 5 minutes before and it didn't even finish :P [09:57] But ne'er mind [09:57] Thank you, cheerio [09:57] ed___ (n=ed@92.22.217.253) left irc: "leaving" [09:58] 5 minutes..omgz [10:00] ? [10:00] guess he never worked on a 386 [10:00] really [10:01] some quake3 maps I made took 4 days to compile, *shrugs* [10:01] worzewski (n=worzewsk@87-194-159-35.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:05] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:06] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:06] hi guys, i have a problem with slackware current. i downloaded it's tree using rsync. then i modified it by adding my own folder with packages, i added it to the instller etc. it's visable and everything seems to be working fine. then i made an iso, burnt it and when it comes to installing packages i get the follownig error from the instller: There was a fatal error attemting to install [10:06] /var/log/mount/blackdog64/a/packagename.tgz. Teh package may be corrupt, the installation media may be bad,or something else has caused the packages to be unable to be read without error. i get this error for every single file during the instllation. What is wrong? oh and i got another question, are the asc files any important for the installer? [10:07] You gave yourself away worzewski... blackdog64 is certainly not slackware. Bye now. [10:08] Anyone know what module Core2 chips use for cpufreq governing? is it p4-clockmod? [10:08] it's a a 64bit slackware current port... [10:08] No it is not slackware worzewski [10:09] It is a rip-off of bluewhite64 whixh is a rip-off of slamd64 which again is an _unofficial_ port of Slackware [10:09] No go complain in a #blackdog64 forum, not here [10:09] aha... ok... thanks [10:09] Come back once you switched to Slackware proper [10:10] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl215-63.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [10:11] Ah, you're the creator of this shit even? [10:11] worzewski (n=worzewsk@87-194-159-35.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:11] Hah, he left, chicken [10:11] hahah [10:11] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left ##slackware. [10:11] haha, good catch alienBOB [10:11] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [10:12] sometimes, the shere bluntness of ##slackware impresses me [10:12] with his tail between his legs..woof [10:12] Well well http://slacky.info/ for all your bluewhite64 crap, incl blackdog64 [10:13] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:14] alienBOB: are you the maintainer of slamd? [10:14] that would be fred [10:14] Absolutely not! [10:14] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:14] worzewski (n=worzewsk@87-194-159-35.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:14] ahh [10:14] I work on Slackware, not on it's forks [10:14] knew it was someone from in here :) [10:15] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [10:19] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@221.226.45.139) left irc: Connection timed out [10:19] Wescotte, acpi-cpufreq iirc [10:19] alienBOB: hi from mac :) [10:20] Camarade_Tux: hmm I tried p4_clockmod and it lets me cycle down as low as 250mhz where acpi-cpufreq only goes down to 1ghz.. Do you think p4_clockmod actually drops that low or my hardware can't actually do that? [10:21] worzewski (n=worzewsk@87-194-159-35.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:21] Wescotte, interesting, I've often wanted to drop to very low frequencies on my laptop but some /sys or /proc entry tells me 1GHz is the minimal available freq [10:22] sometimes the minimal frequency isn't as low [10:22] (as you want) [10:22] on a P4 I've seen p4_clockmod reduce frequency down to a few hundreds of MHz and I knew it workded because everything felt much slower ;) [10:23] TwinReverb, 1GHz seems high though [10:23] Camarade_Tux: I think it is working.. switching windows to redraw is pretty damn slow.. you can sometimes see it draw specific sections [10:24] camarade_t: is this a P4 [10:25] Wescotte, I can see that at 1.6GHz, bad graphic drivers help (nv for instance ;p ) [10:25] but nouveau with xserver-1.5 is worse :p [10:26] hmm gotta find something cpu intensive to test it with [10:29] mamrot (n=mamrot@87-194-159-35.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:30] int main () { int i; for (i=0; i<1000000; i++) {} return 0;} [10:30] and time that :) [10:31] heh, know a simple method to time a start/end of a program? [10:31] a=now(); startprogram; a=now()-a; sorta thing.. [10:32] I'd do it in php or something like that I don't even have it installed yet :) [10:32] mamrot (n=mamrot@87-194-159-35.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [10:32] time should be enough for your needs ;p [10:33] otherwise, inside the code, use gettimeofday() [10:33] oh hehe didn't know time existed :) [10:33] the command not the concept :) [10:33] thanks I'll test it out now [10:34] for (i = 0; i < 2; i++){i--;} <-- One of my favorite infinite loops. [10:35] FriedBob, nice one ;p [10:36] FriedBob: you just have to wait for the memory to break and then maybe just maybe it'll stop [10:38] jeez cpufreq-set is anal :) [10:40] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:40] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:42] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [10:43] wescotte: ? [10:44] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Well, I don't think it's able to drop down sub 1ghz range.. [10:44] I set it to 250mhz and it was actually faster (by almost 2x) than when I set it to 1ghz [10:45] FriedBob (n=friedbob@173-22-140-209.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [10:45] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-165-56.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [10:45] i changed the settings [timeout + Linux --> Slackware] in /etc/lilo.conf but nothing happened, did I edit the wrong file [10:45] wescotte: i wouldn't go slower than 300MHz only because of the help topic on that in the kernel config [10:46] IntangibleLiquid: did you rerun lilo [10:46] twolf, nope [10:46] so i should rerun lilo too [10:46] yep [10:47] thanks, i'll do that [10:47] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [10:48] what mail clients do you guys use? [10:48] TwinReverb: you think the chip can actually go that low though? [10:49] gmail, owa and thunderbird [10:49] wescotte: how low? what chip is this? [10:50] nachox: ah cool, lemme see thunderbird. [10:50] TwinReverb: core2 chip... sub 1gigz range [10:50] ghz.. [10:50] dowdle (n=dowdle@65-100-77-163.blng.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.22.217.253) joined ##slackware. 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[10:54] 2ghz [10:54] Nick change: BrunoX1ambert -> BrunoXLambert [10:55] TwinReverb: using acpi-cpufreq? or an alternative.. when I use acpi-cpufreq it bottoms out at 1ghz but when I used p4_clockfreq I could go as low as 125mhz [10:56] which I'm assuming doesn't actally work.. after I ran simple test it didn't seem to perform nearly that slowly [10:56] hmm well by the ratio, i would think it's 5:2, so if yours is 2GHz, it should scale to (i think) 800MHz but don't quote me on this. it depends on how intel made the cpu [10:56] mine uses acpi-cpufreq but i have no clue what yours should use [10:56] did you pick the right module per the kernel help pages in that section? i think acpi-cpufreq is only for pentium-M but i could be incorrect [10:57] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [10:57] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.22.217.253) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:57] i would say frankly just set acpi-cpufreq to load as a module on login (edit /etc/rc.d/rc.modules) and then cpufreq-conservative, then set it to use that scaling governor and let it do its own thing [10:58] limac, kmail is also cool [10:59] Action: TwinReverb hugs kmail [10:59] TwinReverb: I'm not sure which to use.. the docs don't exactly tell me which one to use.. [11:00] bah, i found other people with the same cpufreq prob i have -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/163398 [11:00] anyone seen a fix for that? [11:00] Core/Core2 isn't listed in the supported x86 chips [11:00] wescotte: um ok did any of the cpufreq modules load themselves automatically? when you first started up your machine, did lsmod say you had any cpufreq stuff loaded? [11:01] no.. I just manually did it all [11:01] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-147-18.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:02] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) left irc: "Leaving" [11:02] nachox: got thunderbird setup, pretty sweet! :) [11:02] wescotte: does /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor exist? [11:03] TwinReverb: yes, I modprobed cpufreq_stats which I believe created the entire cpufreq/ dir.. then I modprobe the ondemand and performance governor which both show up in sacling/governor [11:03] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.93.4) joined ##slackware. [11:04] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:04] or does any directory under /sys exist as cpufreq? do "find /sys -name cpufreq" and see if you can find the cpufreq [11:04] TwinReverb: however I was able to remove acpi_cpufreq and load p4_clockmod which produces different min values [11:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:04] hello happy slackers [11:04] but is yours a P4 or a core 2 duo ? [11:04] core2 duo [11:04] i would assume that core 2 duo is of the pentium-M "family" and that you'd probably want acpi_cpufreq for that but i am no expert [11:05] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] TwinReverb, its not, it's its own family [11:05] hold on i am checking [11:05] well no in the sense of the "speedstep" family, i.e. cpufreq using ACPI [11:05] http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2_Duo <-- lists min as 800mhz but doesn't tell me whcih module to use.. [11:06] EIST is the closest thing I can find [11:07] well you can try several modules, however you may need to try them all (and reboot in order to remove the modules, unless you're comfortable forcing them to be removed, which can cause a crash in theory) [11:08] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) joined ##slackware. [11:08] for controlling speedstep technology. Apparently this newer kernel option is more aware of acpi powersaving that's done in the BIOS. In any case, both <*> (CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO) and <*> (CCONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ) were found to work on a Menrom (Core 2). [11:08] ok, lilo's now working perfectly [11:08] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [11:09] not .*SPEEDSTEP.* [11:09] Core 2 Duo isn't listed but I'm guessing it's the same.. [11:09] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:12] then acpi_cpufreq it is [11:13] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.3.111.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.145) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] hmm maybe i'll pop in a Ubuntu disc and see what it does [11:17] brb [11:17] Wescotte, I *only* have acpi-cpufreq and have power saving [11:19] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [11:28] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.0.79) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:28] Camarade_Tux: yeah Ubunutu uses acpi-cpufreq as well.. [11:28] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=chatzill@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [11:29] the trend is to stop using hardware specific modules and rely on more general ones, such as acpi-cpufreq [11:29] I'm all for that [11:29] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:29] as long as it does job just as well [11:30] wescotte: i would say use acpi-cpufreq and cpufreq-conservative and be done with it [11:30] that makes it easy [11:30] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=chatzill@201.20.64.142) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [11:31] cpufreq-conservative is a kernel module? [11:31] iirc.... [11:31] TwinReverb: I'll probably set it to performance and create some script for when I'm on battery to just scale down everything [11:32] unless your kernel is set to make it the default governor, in which case it's not a module because it's embedded in the kernel [11:32] nachox, it can be [11:32] wescotte: then check out my http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/acpi_handler.sh [11:32] ? [11:32] Wescotte, use ondemand, performance will give you additionnal heat which is uncomfortable [11:33] it might guide you towards what you want but it's not what you want (yet) [11:33] nachox, it can be built as module, or not ;p [11:33] Camarade_Tux: good point.. [11:33] I only set performance when benchmarking [11:33] and still, with how vista and mac and even some linux distributions default towards the conservative scaling governor, it's smart (imho) to just set it to that default and forget it [11:33] but that's just me [11:33] Camarade_Tux, ... [11:33] I never use power savings [11:33] they're programmed well and do a great job making the CPU efficient in all modes of use [11:33] conservative is not the good default [11:34] intel says that, amd says that [11:34] and as someone once said, power-saving governor actually hurts more because the CPU spends longer at hard use at (in my case) 600MHz to run a program than it would at a higher clock speed as the conservative governor would jump to [11:34] camarade_t: ok, what do they recommend? [11:35] links please? [11:35] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:35] Power savings is for chumps! [11:35] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] i found better response and battery life on an automatic scaler like ondemand or conservative [11:35] heh i just searched for gnucash on SBo and all results were for eqonomize [11:35] is that a hint? [11:36] and the links kernel help for that governor recommends it as a smart default [11:36] bennymack: why not use kmymoney2? [11:36] TwinReverb, just ondemand [11:36] straterra: heh I bought bigger batteries but sometimes I get stuck w/o AC for more than the 2-3 hours.. I'd prefer not to carry around more than 1 battery [11:36] TwinReverb: 'cause I never heard of it [11:37] camarade_t: but there are others who think that this isn't so smart because it ramps up faster than maybe it needs to, hence wasting maybe too much time too quickly scaling all the way up [11:37] but then again, i'm no expert [11:37] either way, my main point is that he should set an automatic scaler (ondemand or conservative, either one) and be done with it [11:37] TwinReverb, actually it is maybe too slow to get faster [11:38] and there is now code for profiling the governors [11:39] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Action: Wescotte sometimes things everything would be easier if he just wrote his own OS :) [11:43] The governor that has the best behavior on current PC processors is the ondemand governer. [11:43] from http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/cpu.php [11:44] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:48] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.3.111.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:48] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.36.123) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:51] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:54] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:07] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:07] kewl so macFUSE is installed and now i can read and write to ntfs using ntfs-3g [12:08] so now i'm going to have to (some time tonight) insert and boot knoppix to copy my stuff from sda2 (XFS; my /home backup) to sda1 (NTFS) so that i can use it in mac [12:08] this is going to be an interesting experiment: a linux tweaker who tries mac for a week [12:08] i'll probably end up "blogging" my results [12:09] but so far i'm actually impressed at how much stuff is out there for mac. in some ways i've been wrong in the past on my estimate of its capabilities. [12:09] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-147-18.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Adios!" [12:11] enjoy the koolaid [12:11] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:14] I was just wondering, Can I just mount a Linux Live ISO, modify it, and call it Skinux - Linux Live Cd? [12:16] you could but that would not be ethical (imho) [12:16] skibur, hum, yes you can but like TwinReverb said [12:16] just make your own. iirc there's a script out there for doing that pretty easily but i'm not sure [12:17] As long as you gave full credit in a clear and obvious way, I don't think it'd be too bad. [12:17] ask straterra [12:17] i think some of those hits in google hit the slax page [12:17] Action: Camarade_Tux did one that actually makes that easy and relies on linux-live but never released it although it's release-quality [12:17] I see [12:17] yup. FriedBob is right, read the GPL [12:18] skibur: it would be stupid to take what is largely other people's hard work, do a few modifications and call the result a "new distro". [12:18] like taking the kernel [12:18] Action: Camarade_Tux will make a distribution named slackwear >< [12:19] lol [12:19] Camarade_Tux: A clothing line? [12:19] not a new distro, just a child/fork of a distro, its been done many many times [12:19] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [12:20] HAHA [12:20] FriedBob, a minimalist clothing line, with *really* minimalist clothes ? [12:20] I was just wondering [12:20] well straterra was at one time working on a more fully-featured slackware live cd but it didn't pan out [12:20] Camarade_Tux: I want to make a line of clothes that is just clothes line looped and draped strategically. [12:20] Of course he would not be able to call it a "slackware live cd" [12:21] If he cleared it with Pat V he could. [12:22] alienBOB: yeah i think he was calling it stratux or something [12:22] it's been a while [12:22] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [12:22] do dual core laptops overheat worse then single proc laptops, or is my new one just crap? my old laptop rarely shuts off due to overheating, yet this one does it at least once a week [12:22] of course not, Slackware belongs to Pat V. & co... and if he uses any of Pat's scripts & whatnot he has to include credit where credit is due in the EULA [12:23] raela: um ... are you using acpi-cpufreq and cpufreq-ondemand|conservative ? [12:23] TwinReverb: probably not on either [12:23] unless they're on by default [12:23] raela: please check [12:24] TwinReverb: would that be in kernel config? or somewhere else? [12:24] dieter_ (n=dieter@92.116.46.130) joined ##slackware. [12:24] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:24] well first check lsmod to see if they are currently loaded [12:24] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:25] no, they are not [12:25] if not, and this is generic-smp, you should have the modules. modprobe acpi-cpufreq then modprobe cpufreq-ondemand and/or cpufreq-conservative (your choice) and then go set the scaling governor by finding /sys/devices/system/cpu/*/cpufreq/scaling_governor. to set, echo "conservative" > scaling_governor (or "ondemand", your choice) [12:26] I was able to load cpufreq-ondemand but not acpi-cpufreq [12:26] however remember that acpi-cpufreq requires acpi and processor at least [12:26] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [12:26] huh?! that's very strange [12:26] what errors did acpi-cpufreq give? [12:26] FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.24.5-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device [12:26] raela: is the processor module loaded? [12:27] TwinReverb: yes [12:27] also, what processor is this? core 2 duo? [12:27] I would use the processor specific module [12:27] amd athlon dual core mobile processor ql-60 [12:27] if there is one [12:27] Otherwise you are relying on the motherboard to be ACPI compliant [12:27] oh no wonder lol [12:27] no wonder what? [12:28] !see fuzzix [12:28] oops wrong tab [12:28] i'd say go to /lib/modules/whatever/kernel/whatever/cpufreq and look at what's there, and check their info ("modinfo acpi-cpufreq" or whatever the module name is) to check which one applies to you [12:28] why not just use the amd module? [12:28] i thought you said core 2 duo, maybe i am confusing a previous conversation [12:28] well i have no clue what module name applies to her machine [12:28] oh, I just said I had a dual core proc [12:29] that's why i said go look at the names and do modinfo to look at their descriptions since i don't know and that is what i would have to do [12:29] no my fault, i was confused, not you [12:29] Action: Baisuoklis wonders why the bootgraph.pl thingy doesent work :/ [12:31] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] well, I didn't get a scaling_governer file anywhere :/ [12:32] I'm probably doing something wrong [12:33] Baisuoklis what problem ? [12:33] raela: find /sys -name cpufreq [12:33] should be there somewhere iirc [12:33] hrm, it isn't. bah. apparently I just fail at this [12:33] TwinReverb (n=nobody@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] Camarade_Tux: i just recompiled kernwl with CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME enabled as it said in the script [12:34] ant passed initcall_debug option at kernel command line [12:34] Baisuoklis, no output or empty graph ? [12:34] and dmesg |perl scripts/bootgraph.pl > output.svg outputs empy file [12:34] Camarade_Tux: yes [12:34] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] Bugz_ (n=jturning@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:35] do u know a solution to this? [12:35] Action: Camarade_Tux had that problem but forgot how he solved it [12:35] ugh.. [12:35] jturning (n=jturning@75.42.57.217) joined ##slackware. [12:35] jturning (n=jturning@75.42.57.217) left irc: Client Quit [12:35] Baisuoklis, oh yeah : is your System.map up-ot-date ? [12:36] dieter_ (n=dieter@92.116.46.130) left ##slackware. [12:37] err.. i just copied the new one as System.map-2.6.28-pentium4-build1 [12:37] or was it a bad thing to do? [12:38] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-61-46.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:39] you need one that matches your kernel [12:39] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:41] Camarade_Tux: i always compile my cernels using this guide: http://pastebin.com/mc494a97 [12:42] kernels even [12:42] dowdle (n=dowdle@65-100-77-163.blng.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [12:42] Have any of you guys tried dropbox :)? [12:43] so do i just replace/rename System.map-2.6.28-pentium4-build1 to System.map? [12:43] Ah.. crap... it required Nautilus [12:43] *requires [12:45] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-39-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [12:46] Baisuoklis, I think it needs to be called System.map (a symlink will do) [12:46] so i'll need to reboot again for it to work? [12:46] just created the simlink [12:47] k, brb [12:47] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [12:49] Nick change: gewt -> gohwt [12:49] Nick change: gohwt -> gewt [12:49] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Camarade_Tux: still a doesent work [12:51] i see a full output in dmesg, but scrip does'nt parse it correctly or smthg [12:52] script* [12:53] Baisuoklis, do you get fullnames in dmesg ? like ''[ 0.330106] initcall sysctl_init+0x0/0xf returned 0 after 0 usecs [12:53] the outputed *.svg file contais "No data found in the dmesg. Make sure that 'printk.time=1' and'initcall_debug' are passed on the kernel command line." [12:54] Camarade_Tux: yes [12:55] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.67.168) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Camarade_Tux: here's dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/mbeed039 [12:56] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:56] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@75.42.57.217) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Baisuoklis, the problem is you don't have 'sysctl_init+0x0/0xf' but '0xf8594000' [12:57] that's what the System.map file normally lets you do [12:57] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFBCF9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [12:58] well then symlink to the System.map doesent work for me [12:58] k, gonna try to just replace it [12:59] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [13:00] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:00] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [13:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [13:03] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Camarade_Tux: How did the bootchart go? [13:05] alkos333, http://xs135.xs.to/xs135/09015/bootchart-2009-01-02_22_23_49239.png [13:05] Camarade_Tux: well just replacing System.map with the one for my current kernel didnt help [13:05] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-26-125.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Baisuoklis, yeah, I was going to tell you it shouldn't but you disconnected :p [13:06] Camarade_Tux: how did u get that graphic? i [13:07] alkos333: KEY_COFFEE is a key name, not a variable [13:07] not sure if any keyboards have ever actually had it [13:07] Baisuoklis, bootchar.org [13:07] I just happen to have it bound in kde to "lock screen" though :p [13:08] fred: ah, you're online [13:08] fred: the parents are good? [13:08] yes, thanks [13:08] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] how do i install a file with '.run' extention? [13:09] vinnie_: chmod the file +x, then ./file.run [13:09] thumbs: thanx [13:09] vinnie_: is it the nvidia drivers installer? [13:09] fred: Ok, so what does it do? [13:10] fred: Ah, ok sorry. Didn't read below right away. [13:10] so i guess no solution to bootgraph.pl not working [13:10] vinnie_: be wary of such files. Some could be malicious. [13:10] fred: That makes sense. I wanted to lock my screen before hibernating or going to sleep. [13:10] it's quite handy [13:10] fred: How do you like X61s anyway? [13:10] though I wish there was a standard dbus call for "lock screen" [13:11] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] that would be preferable to my method (that sendkeys thing uses the userspace input device driver interface to create a fake keyboard and send the keypress) [13:11] <3 the X61s [13:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [13:16] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [13:19] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [13:20] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.8) left ##slackware. [13:20] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [13:22] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.67.168) left irc: "reboot" [13:22] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [13:23] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.8) left ##slackware. 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[13:34] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:35] will install 12.2 when i got the time somewhere this week, i remembered something about changing kernel config for the generic kernel and then recompile before nvidia driver will compile.. but all glad it will be fine then :) [13:35] thanks Camarade_Tux ! [13:36] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Camarade_Tux: do u have that bootchart.jar thingy? [13:36] Baisuoklis, yes [13:36] u compiled it yourself? [13:36] coz i cant find one in source dir [13:36] Baisuoklis, no [13:37] Al_Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) joined ##slackware. [13:37] hiptobecubi(c) has one afaik but I don't if he's here [13:37] where did u downloaded it then? [13:37] Sorry, having connection issues. [13:37] anyway, it shouldn't change anythin [13:37] Camarade_Tux: So your system loads in 14 seconds, huh? [13:37] fred: Is sendkey your C++ program that takes makes use of X's sendkey() function? [13:37] Baisuoklis, I took it from another distro's package (based on slackware but which name I can't remember) [13:38] my what now? [13:38] alkos333, to console yes, but it's less actually, 14s is the time for bootchart to stop its tracing [13:38] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:39] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:39] Baisuoklis, if you need it : pers.yaxm.org/temp/bootchart.jar [13:39] fred: I don't have /usr/local/sbin/sendkey that you are using in your scripts. Where did you get it? [13:39] if by "your C++ program that takes makes use of X's sendkey() function" you mean "A shell script that's a wrapper around a C program that uses various kernel functions to inject keypresses", then yes. 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[13:39] both sendkey (the script) and injectkey.c (the program, needs suid) are on files.fredemmott.co.uk [13:40] fred: I assumed it was a C++ program in that :) [13:40] *since you program in that [13:40] alkos333, I startx by hand, I just don't want to run X at startup (kernel recompiles, switching between nouveau.ko and nvidia.ko which are neither in the kernel and are quite unpredictable) [13:40] seet [13:40] Camarade_Tux: thx [13:41] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:41] sweet even * [13:41] and in X I don't run a DE, only a WM [13:41] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:41] Baisuoklis, you're welcome :) [13:41] alkos333: if it touches the kernel, C is a better choice, especially as there tends to be example code you can modify to suit your needs :p [13:41] Camarade_Tux: Same here, but I have a lot more stuff running at start up like privoxy, tor, HDAPS daemon, wicd, daemon, ft-cache.. etc [13:41] fred: No doubt! [13:42] fred: Quick question, what do you use to lock the screen? xlockmore? [13:42] alkos333, that's a laptop so no daemon (sshd and ntpd sometimes) [13:42] alkos333, and why do you run ft-cache ? [13:42] KDE's screensaver [13:43] Camarade_Tux: Well... actually I don't know if I run ft-cache.. There's gtk.immodules or something.. I was planning on messing with that [13:43] Camarade_Tux: What do you mean "no daemon" [13:43] alkos333, those are two of the four that easily cut down boot times (along with ld-config and the icon-cache) [13:43] It doesn't matter if it's a laptop, don't you still need to run certain daemons for convenience [13:44] Camarade_Tux: yes, makes sense [13:44] alkos333, I don't run any daemon that has to do with network as the computer is rarely connected [13:44] Just never turn off your laptop :p [13:44] :) [13:45] fred: So why not just start the screensaver directly as supposed to sendkey which is a bash wrapper for another C script? [13:45] fred, with a few seconds to boot, it's ok, plus I can't standby without the nvidia officially sucking driver [13:45] even though I should try with nouveau again, I read the changed some things on that [13:46] So you just commented those out in rc.M? [13:46] alkos333, yes [13:47] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:47] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:47] alkos333: define 'directly' in a way that works when called by a user that's not the current user, and not in the X terminal. [13:47] *that's not the current X user [13:47] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@c75-110-174-178.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:47] and doesn't have the mit magic cookie. [13:48] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:49] sure, I /could/ parse the ps aux output to figure out who's logged in on pty7, sudo to them, use xauth merge ~/.Xauthority, hope $DISPLAY=:0, and shell out to the screensaver process... or, I could just inject a key. [13:50] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.130.221) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:50] uh.. sorry for tone of that. [13:50] It's alright, that's what I do in lockscreen.sh for the acpi event [13:51] when ibm_acpi receives an event [13:51] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-39-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:51] hi all, [13:51] fred: did you see the note in #slamd64 about the rtc fix and Dominian's comment? [13:51] fred: Sending a key is more elegant though :) [13:51] don't exit the command "mdconfig" in Slackware what? [13:51] alkos333: yes, I did. [13:51] *alisonken1home [13:51] :) [13:52] s/exit/exist [13:52] monstro: what are you trying to configure? [13:52] xfce - I want to have different icons for mounted vs unmounted media. Where is that config, anyone know today? [13:52] nullboy, hi [13:53] I'm need build twos dvd in one cd normal [13:53] sorry [13:53] two cd in one dvd [13:53] slackytude told me you were trying to make your comp boot faster, can I help you ? [13:53] nullboy, http://john.bitsurge.net/upload/bootchart-2009-01-02%2017:35:08-05:00.png [13:53] :D [13:54] hiptobecubic, nice ;) [13:54] hiptobecubic, how to i get one of those ? [13:55] LnxSlck, google bootchart [13:55] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootcharts/ [13:57] what a surprise.. no slack package [13:57] ... [13:57] i built one myself for it [13:57] LnxSlck, those who *need* a package won't be able to optimize their system anyway ;) [13:58] my modprobe doesn't start until ten seconds after yours [13:58] Camarade_Tux, those who need a package are the ones who need to optimize their sistem [13:58] Camarade_Tux, bloated ubuntu and such [13:58] nullboy, oh yeah. How did that package turn out? Does the autorenderer work :D:D? [13:58] LnxSlck, but booting in a few seconds is nice too ;) [13:59] Camarade_Tux, of course it is.. mine takes a minute or so though =( [13:59] (I don't understand how bootchart times though, a clock doesn't give the same results) [14:00] brb test [14:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [14:02] hiptobecubic, can you show me your lilo options for bootchart? [14:02] LnxSlck, just add addappend "init=/sbin/bootchard" to the image you're testing [14:03] image="/boot/vmlinuz" addappend "init=/sbin/bootchartd" [14:03] root=/dev/sda4 [14:03] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:03] will that work ? [14:04] hold on [14:04] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [14:04] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@port.23.telnetd.org) left ##slackware. [14:04] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@port.23.telnetd.org) joined ##slackware. [14:05] LnxSlck, http://rafb.net/p/555bDK22.html that is what i use [14:05] Look at bottom. [14:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Camarade_Tux: You don't run update-mim-database on start-up either? [14:07] alkos333, why would you? [14:08] hiptobecubic, thanks [14:08] i will try [14:08] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.93.4) left irc: "Saindo" [14:08] LnxSlck, read the install instructions carefully. don't want to bork everything. [14:08] hiptobecubic: I don't know. I don't know when one should run that to begin with [14:08] oh well. [14:09] alkos333, when you need to recognize a new mime-type i'd imagine. [14:09] alkos333, no, I don't *anymore, it'd only serve when you install something new, I think it should rather be in the doinst.sh files [14:09] update-mime-database would be needed when program/filetype changes occur would be my guess [14:09] s/*anymore/*anymore* [14:09] after the initial update [14:09] Alright, fair enough. Thanks folks [14:09] and I usually start everything by console, but in pcmanfm double-clicking works ;) [14:10] deLusion` (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] you run update-mime-database when you install a new mime-type [14:10] most of the time that should be done from the doinst.sh of a slackware packge. [14:10] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [14:11] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.89.210) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Nick change: deLusion` -> deLusion_ [14:11] Camarade_Tux: I've disabled a bunch of things, so I'm gonna go and give it a shot :) [14:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:11] hiptobecubic, now where i see the bootchart iamge ? [14:13] alruna_ (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:15] LnxSlck, did you read? Have you rendered it? [14:15] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:15] hiptobecubic, im reading [14:15] thanks [14:15] you need bootchart.jar at some point. it tells you how to build it [14:15] nullboy, results? [14:16] /var/log/bootchart.tgz [14:16] dont have those [14:16] weird [14:16] LnxSlck, you don't have /var/log/bootchart.tgz? [14:16] did you run "lilo" after modifying lilo.conf? [14:16] superGear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] nope [14:16] yep [14:16] and rebooted [14:17] did yuo check the config file to see if it's set properly? [14:17] do you even HAVE /sbin/bootchartd? [14:17] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus//bootcharts/bootchart01032009.png [14:17] yep [14:19] nullboy, idea why mine gets rolling 5s after yours? [14:19] LnxSlck, pastebin lilo.conf? [14:20] hiptobecubic, the chart starts after the kernel finished loading if that's your question [14:20] kalijawan (n=Administ@static24-72-67-209.regina.accesscomm.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Camarade_Tux, ah. So my computer is just slow. [14:20] hiptobecubic, http://pastebin.ca/1299120 [14:20] whats the best way to fix grub on a subnotebook? [14:20] luism (n=luissmm@host208.190-226-156.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:20] kalijawan, .... what? [14:21] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] hiptobecubic, kernel can take a long time to boot, mine sometimes takes 10 additional seconds because of a bios bug [14:21] sub notebook, like an MSI wind, asus Eee, something with no DVD drive etc. [14:21] kalijawan, usb boot sticks [14:21] what bug? [14:22] what should i load on it to fix grub, and any special programs to make a USB flash drive bootable? [14:22] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:22] nachox, from dmesg [14:22] superGear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:22] [ 0.542098] pci 0000:00:1a.7: EHCI: BIOS handoff [14:22] [ 10.540008] pci 0000:00:1a.7: EHCI: BIOS handoff failed (BIOS bug?) 01010001 [14:23] kalijawan, you just need to fix grub? make a supergrubbootdisk or whatever it's called. [14:23] google it [14:23] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.89.210) left irc: "Saindo" [14:23] alruna_ (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:23] superGear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] alruna_ (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Camarade_Tux: what the heck distro is that? [14:24] Camarade_Tux, disable usb legacy support in the bios [14:25] XGizzmo, looks like ubuntu style dmesg [14:26] yeah, It sure is not slack. [14:26] nachox, afaik I don't have that option =/ [14:26] then you're screwed [14:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:26] your bios does not follow the ehci specifications [14:26] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.31.40) joined ##slackware. [14:27] XGizzmo, why your question ? [14:27] you might want to try and upgrade the bios though [14:27] nachox, it happens only on cold boots and not always [14:27] hi ananke, how's the new year treating you? [14:27] I checked the bios upgrades but, there's none that should help [14:27] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.13) joined ##slackware. [14:27] nachox : same as old one :) [14:28] XGizzmo, ananke, no, that's a kernel option [14:28] CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME [14:28] i'm assuming that is a good thing [14:28] Camarade_Tux : ahh, neat [14:28] it's wonderful ;) [14:28] Camarade_Tux : when did they add this option? [14:28] Action: Camarade_Tux thinks it should be enabled in slackware too :) [14:28] ananke, no idea, I discovered it when trying to get better boot times [14:28] why arent you using the regular slackware kernel? or this is not slackware? [14:29] it's used at least by scripts/bootgraph.pl in the linux source [14:29] Camarade_Tux : so what kernel are you running? [14:29] (and by humans too ;) ) [14:29] TwinReverb (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [14:29] 2.6.28, completely configured by me [14:29] ananke, i've seen old ubuntu server kernels with that same output, so i'm assuming it's old :) [14:29] and this is slackware, just with a recompiled kernel :) [14:30] nachox : that's what i was thinking [14:30] ok, so why arent you using slack's regular kernel? [14:30] bash-3.1# du -hs /lib/modules/"`uname -r`" [14:30] 612K /lib/modules/2.6.28 [14:30] so? [14:30] space is cheap [14:30] unused modules do not get loaded anyway [14:31] nachox, no, just to say my kernel is heavily tuned [14:31] Camarade_Tux : since when does the size of modules have anything to do with 'heavily tuned kernel'? [14:31] faster to boot, about 15MB less in memory iirc and better support for my hardware [14:31] try using the regular kernel to see if it has the same problem [14:31] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:32] Camarade_Tux: what problem are you having? [14:32] laptops today have 3gb of ram and you're worried about 15mb? hehe start using elinks, it's smaller than firefox :) [14:33] nachox: he may not have 3GB RAM [14:33] (not to mention the kernel gets to have a fixed ram space regardless of how much it really uses and userspace cannot claim it) [14:33] ananke, my kernel has support for my hardware and only my hardware, no module for other hardware [14:33] nachox, yes, it has :) [14:33] Kb1979 (n=asdf@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [14:33] nachox, actually I'm rolling my own browser, based on webkit-gtk :p [14:33] TwinReverb, yeah, i know :) [14:33] Camarade_Tux : again, size of modules is unrelated to the kernel. for all i know, you could have put all of them in the kernel [14:33] luism (n=luissmm@host208.190-226-156.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [14:34] TwinReverb, right, I only have 2GB ><, but the goal was to go below 10MB used at startup, which I did (more than 10000Kb but less than 10MB ;) ) [14:34] if he did put them all in the kernel and his directory of modules is that small, i want to know what compiler he used :) [14:34] Camarade_Tux: no, was there a problem that started this discussion? [14:34] ananke, right, my vmlinuz is 2MB :p [14:35] TwinReverb, not really, except a bios problem that makes my computer sometimes boot 10s slower [14:35] i installed VirtualBox with this file 'VirtualBox-2.1.0-41146-Linux_x86.run' and i get this when trying to run after install. '/opt/VirtualBox-2.1.0/VirtualBox: error while loading shared libraries: libcap.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory' [14:35] bios and "sometimes" sound like your hardware is slowly failing [14:35] see? that is why regular people hate linux admins, they make things way too complicated, the computer is there to use it not to make it boot a milisecond faster, you have suspend to ram for that :P [14:35] don't confuse Camarade_Tux with a linux admin :) [14:35] vinnie_: so install libcap [14:36] i agree with nachox this time only because i'm starting to see how much of my time i waste trying to squeeze more performance out of it [14:36] thumbs: i dont see it in sbopkg [14:36] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/virtualbox-ose/ [14:36] i see it [14:36] in the end, unless i'm doing something productive with my computer, i'm wasting my time (time that could be better spent ONLY because i have more important things to do) [14:36] and libcap comes with slackware [14:36] vinnie_, is libcap-2.14-i486-1 installed in you slackware? [14:36] well, as often as I boot/reboot my linux system, boot times are not even a blink in time so no need to worry about boot times [14:36] TwinReverb, no, it's on some cold boots [14:36] nachox: how do i check [14:37] seriously though. today we are faced with situation where throwing more hardware at a problem is often cheaper than trying to tweak/squeeze [14:37] Camarade_Tux: blow hot air on your computer then lol [14:37] ananke, right, I just play ;) [14:37] ls /var/log/packages | grep libcap [14:37] ananke: true, depends on how much your time is worth to you, but true [14:37] TwinReverb, hehe, I'll rather clean it, it's getting one or two degrees hotter ;) [14:37] nachox, it's all about challenge :) [14:37] if you're single with no life or job then your time is worthless :D ::P (j/k of course) [14:38] oh yes...of course [14:38] nachox: this is what i get: libcap-2.14-i486-1 [14:38] if you're unemployed, your time would be better spent on getting a job, than recompiling kernel :) [14:38] *delay* thanks hiptobecubic, i'm going to look into that ttyl [14:38] hiptobecubic, i'm getting the Can't find functions library, aborting" [14:39] hiptobecubic, hava an idea [14:39] LnxSlck, did you follow the install directions? WFM ? [14:39] granted iirc if something is statically compiled into the linux kernel it gets loaded regardless of if it is needed or not (which may explain why generic-smp uses more RAM and eats RAM faster than a kernel identical to it except that you didn't compile in every ide/pata/sata controller known to man) [14:39] Camarade_Tux, most users give a damn about challenge, all they want it to be done with the job, to them, the computer is just another tool, if it doesnt work properly they buy a faster one [14:39] hiptobecubic, yep [14:39] kalijawan (n=Administ@static24-72-67-209.regina.accesscomm.ca) left ##slackware. [14:39] hiptobecubic, i have the bootchart.svgz [14:39] hiptobecubic, but i can't render [14:39] .... svgz? [14:40] hiptobecubic, step 4: render the chart [14:40] as an svgz? [14:40] nachox, but spending lots of money on a new computer is everything but fun :) [14:40] hiptobecubic, as any thing [14:40] just use png. then open it in your browser or viewer or something [14:40] depends on the computer you get [14:40] hiptobecubic, well bootchart isn't working [14:41] however, if you don't have the money, deal with what you have [14:41] on my 1.5ghz pentium-M laptop, kernel config shows a noticeable difference to say the least [14:41] so if libcap is installed why the error then? [14:41] LnxSlck, well it does work. So the conflict is on your box. Check it again? I don't know what to tell you. [14:41] Camarade_Tux : 'fun' is relative. not to mention that you don't have to spend a lot of money these days to get a decent machine [14:41] however, on core 2 duo 2GHz and faster, you hardly notice unless you have an xterm open with free -m on infinite loop [14:41] or top [14:41] vinnie_, slackware does come with the libcap library but a newer version [14:42] ananke, right but still more than 600 euros [14:42] Action: TwinReverb is tempted to install slackware on this mac [14:42] nachox: a newer version than i have?? [14:42] Camarade_Tux : since when? i bought a nice core 2 duo workstation, with 2 gbs of ram, 320GB sata2 drive, etc. all for $280 [14:43] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:43] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] ananke, where? [14:43] ananke, lol ;) [14:43] hiptobecubic : dell outlet [14:43] mind sharing your retailer ? [14:43] Camarade_Tux, 2 days work of a decent engineer to debug such a minor problem is more expensive than a new computer [14:43] and last week they had free s&h [14:43] nachox, but I'm not *yet* engineer ;) [14:43] Okay, weird. When I plug the speakers into the rear (onboard) audio, the volume is very low, even though everything on the mixer is maxed. However, if I plug it into the front panel audio plugs, the volume is at the normal (loud) volume [14:43] ananke: did you make them an offer they can't refuse? :P [14:43] What gives? [14:44] TwinReverb : hehe. not quite [14:44] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] speaker output v. headphone/line output levels ? [14:44] vinnie_, virtualbox is expecting to find a libcap library older than the one you have [14:44] redtricycle: some machines have switches within the alsa driver that are automatic [14:44] ananke: 280$ is awfully cheap [14:44] ananke: tell us teh story then :P [14:45] TwinReverb : simple. http://outlet.dell.com [14:45] they're refurbs, but with warranty [14:45] oh lol [14:45] the dell outlet rocks [14:45] TwinReverb: Okay, so how do I fix it? [14:45] anake: the mac refurbs are getting very tempting [14:45] Should I play with the alsamixer? [14:45] Camarade_Tux, you'll get what i mean when you start administering more than 3 servers, trust me [14:45] redtricycle: i think you have to open a mixer that understands the switches. do you use kde? [14:45] and looks like dell outlet still has free s&h [14:46] Kb1979 (n=asdf@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: "Leaving" [14:46] TwinReverb: xfce [14:46] redtricycle: i think "aumix" understands switches, as does the xfce4-mixer thingy [14:47] i also think that alsamixer in an xterm understands switches but does it as an off/on (M for mute to on/off) [14:47] ananke, inside the us only unfortunately :( [14:47] nachox, I already understand it, but that laptop is MY comp, with only my data and I'm the only one to be annoyed if something goes wrong, so I can do whatever I want on it [14:47] nachox : that sucks, but i'm not surprised [14:47] even remove half the files on it :) [14:47] i noticed that with a friend's laptop also: he would plug in headphones but front speakers were still on. he'd have to switch them off using kmix [14:48] TwinReverb: Okay, I see the switches, though I dont see how it affects the volume [14:48] it's still sounds low volume even though I maxed everythin tout [14:48] ananke: any merit to a core 2 duo 2GHz or so macbook refurb $800 versus one of those Dells? [14:48] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:48] ananke, you found the sysadmins you were looking for? [14:48] redtricycle: hmm not sure then, sorry [14:48] nachox : yep [14:49] are they any good? [14:49] TwinReverb : with macbook you get macosx :) [14:49] weird T_T [14:49] ananke: but if i plan on sticking linux on it, that probably doesn't mean much then, does it? :) [14:49] nachox : yep. although the one i just hired will be slowly moved back into his old job - a programmer [14:49] who wants macosx? :D [14:49] hiptobecubic, well bootchart isn't working because of the Jpackage is missing [14:49] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] hiptobecubic : plenty of people do. [14:49] mac os x isn't so bad when you find the xterm [14:49] ananke, because he sucks or because you need a programmer? [14:49] ananke, plenty of people want vista too [14:50] hiptobecubic : exactly. so what's up with the silly question? [14:50] LnxSlck: read the documentation.... [14:50] Catoptromancy` (n=Cato@c-68-62-246-115.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] i'd love an osx, a real unix with proper suspend and resume, cant ask more than that [14:50] nachox : he used to work as a programmer for us, and it's definitely a great programmer [and we have a spot open] [14:50] ananke: i was only wondering if you had any "inside" info about macbook versus dell, like maybe hardware quality or whatnot [14:50] nullboy, and i don't have the bootchart.jar [14:50] nachox: true, it seems nice, and i installed rsync on it [14:51] lol [14:51] LnxSlck: because you didn't read all the documenation [14:51] LnxSlck, READ. jesus. [14:51] but mac os x, even with MacFUSE and ntfs-3g, feels limited because you don't get xfs [14:51] hiptobecubic: deja vu? why the hell is this so hard for people [14:51] os x can see the partitions but they do not display nor mount (obviously) [14:51] Catoptromancy` (n=Cato@c-68-62-246-115.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] TwinReverb : i prefer dell hardware for linux. mac hardware is great, if you use macosx. personally, some features of macbooks annoy me - such as single mouse button, or very sharp edges that cut into your wrists [14:51] ohh, please, who the hell uses xfs? [14:51] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] nachox : i do :) [14:51] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [14:51] someone normal? [14:51] i don't have sharp edges, but heavy action keyboards are annoying [14:51] nachox: i do :P [14:52] you actually did read i wrote normal, didnt you? :) [14:52] nachox: I use xfs [14:52] single button mouse is annoying too, as is no ctrl/alt (but they basically have that, just a different name for it) [14:52] gotta agree with ananke on the dell/mac hardware comparision [14:52] anyone knows why i keep getting those: [14:52] Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed [14:52] /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found [14:52] Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel? [14:52] Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. [14:52]  [14:53] you can ignore the lba32 message, and did you compile your own kernel? [14:53] Baisuoklis: LILO just likes to be able to communicate with the device mapper [14:53] TwinReverb : if you don't want macosx, then a dell laptop may be a better choice [14:53] nachox: yes, 2.6.28 [14:53] Baisuoklis: it's not needed however, you can ignore that. the only time i'd worry is if i were installing to LVM [14:53] and did you include support for the device mapper in your kernel? [14:53] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:53] ananke: true. thanks. oddly enough i'm growing to like mac os x even though like i said the keyboard weight and orientation is highly annoying [14:53] you should include DM support anyway [14:54] TwinReverb: how could i remove those messges [14:54] Baisuoklis: compile the kernel properly [14:54] probably won't buy a mac os x machine but thanks, i'll go hunt down a Dell [14:54] nullboy, well i didn't understand anything about java itself. which was a problem at the time. [14:54] nachox: nope, i'm trying to slim my ernel a bit [14:54] Baisuoklis: you don't. ignore it. or either load device mapper modules before running LILO, or compile them in [14:54] kernel* [14:54] Baisuoklis: why not use the stock configs as a starting point and slim down from there [14:54] but unless you use LVM you probably won't need the device mapper so ignore it [14:54] who knows what else you have missed [14:54] the generic-smp config is an excellent starting point [14:54] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] much better than make allmodconfig [14:55] thought the device-mapper was also used for crypto stuff [14:55] ktabic: It is. [14:55] ktabic: could be. i could be wrong. [14:55] and i AM wrong :S [14:56] oof, the 2.6.27.7 kernel for me locks up daily under strenuous work :-/ switching back to .24 [14:56] Action: TwinReverb wonders how the mac os x theme isn't annoying but even the almost exact same look on linux is annoying [14:56] fhobia: huh? [14:56] just upgraded to 12.2 and 2.6.27 kernel [14:56] just noticed i've been hard resetting each day [14:56] nullboy: it boots fine, i'm making the second run in it this time without PRINTK_TIME and other degubing stuff i dont need [14:57] TwinReverb, it will soon be annoying [14:57] going to revert to see if i notice myself hard resetting the compy [14:57] Baisuoklis: so then you know enough to figure out the problem yourself.... [14:57] don't remember any problems with prior kernels [14:57] TwinReverb: i dont use lvm [14:57] fhobia: sure it isn't the upgrade of 12.1 to 12.2? [14:57] TwinReverb: not sure, experiment under way! :-) [14:57] Baisuoklis: then you probably don't need device mapper so ignore LILO's "error" messages [14:57] twinreverb: if you're looking for laptop recommendations, I have the dell m1330 [14:58] ktabic: k, does everything work? [14:58] nullboy: thats the funny part i dont - just playng with warius config options to see what does what [14:58] :) [14:58] yup, everything [14:58] i have basic support for my box [14:58] (they even do a n-series m1330, the n stands for not windows) [14:59] now, i just playng with various options [14:59] well play with enabling DM support.... [14:59] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] and add "lba32" to your lilo.conf to deal with that lba message if you want [15:00] ktabic: hard to believe [15:00] superGear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:00] i've gotten the device-mapper and lba32 "error" a million times and it never hurt anything [15:00] so lilo bitching that it cannot comunicate with Dm is a compile option for lilo? [15:00] LILO is paranoid [15:00] thumbs: hard to find, I only stumbled across it by accident [15:01] ktabic: was it cheaper? [15:01] Baisuoklis: are you seriously considering a lilo recompile when all you need to do is fix your self configured kernel? [15:01] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:01] thumbs: not noticeably [15:01] ktabic: bah [15:01] nullboy: i dont want stuff loaded that i'm never gonna use [15:02] still, no paying the MS tax from me :) [15:02] and i dont like lilo complaining either [15:02] ktabic: not to bother you but what "type" is the M1330? i'm on outlet.dell.com but i don't know if that is an inspiron, mini, studio, xps, etc [15:02] slackware expect the DM modules. lilo isn't the only thing that expects it [15:02] and fwiw if it has vista i will be very tempted to just format it over [15:02] superGear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] xps [15:03] if you want to err on the side of caution, Baisuoklis , make device-mapper static or at least [15:03] nullboy: oh.. i see, thx for the lba32 tip [15:03] ktabic: thanks [15:03] just a quick question - anybody knows what libs do I need for pidgin apart from seamonkey. I get ssl error for MSN [15:03] ldd encrypt.so in pidgin lib dir has all deps [15:03] uhvo, the certificate error is a known bug i think. [15:04] TwinReverb: it's compiled as a module, not loaded tho [15:04] hiptobecubic, not cert error, but can't connect error [15:04] I've got all from slackware/l [15:04] Baisuoklis: look at this from a different point of view. you said you don't want to load things that aren't needed. Lilo expects DM so that means it is needed...how is that? [15:05] ok,ok, ill compile it in for now :) [15:05] or at least load it [15:05] Baisuoklis: load it then re-run lilo if you're that paranoid [15:06] and/or add to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [15:06] hiptobecubic, i.e ssl error [15:06] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:06] ktabic: um is your wireless card the "dell" brand? [15:06] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [15:07] makerc (n=makerc@201-42-169-251.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:07] twinreverb: intel [15:08] but yeah, you can edit the lilo Makefile to remove DM support if you want to do that config.h:16:/* undefine LCF_DEVMAPPER if the library is not present */ [15:09] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:09] the Makefile can be modified to ignore the libs [15:09] hello [15:10] the "dell" brand is broadcom, btw, dunno what support is like for that [15:10] hey Agiofws [15:10] i shudder to think what it's like [15:10] hiptobecubic, and nullboy : finally i got it =) [15:10] LnxSlck: YAY [15:10] LnxSlck: you needed to install the JDK didn't you? [15:10] nullboy, i didn't read the bottom [15:10] lol [15:11] lol [15:11] tada! [15:11] nullboy, no i needed ant [15:11] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] ::face palms:: [15:11] hey null [15:11] post bootchart [15:11] hiptobecubic, it's pathetic [15:12] tribeca (n=vedo@host52-14-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [15:12] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:13] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Hey i'm having a problem with GLX. WHen i try to "startx" (or init 4) with "nvidia" as my driver in xorg.conf this error prompts [15:13] http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/Help/60d9b045-e2fe-4f7a-9111-e2f2222851991033.mspx [15:13] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [15:13] hiptobecubic, http://sda.hdd.pt//images/8823796747.png [15:14] (ignore the windows link, wrong copypaste, sorry to spam up 3 lines) [15:14] erizoe, does it still start X ? [15:14] erizoe, maybe your driver isn't properly installed [15:14] camarade_tux: It does startx but it's a useless black screen with blue snow at the top [15:14] LnxSlck: omfg [15:15] nullboy, don't see why it takes so time.. but it doesn't take those 5 minutes [15:15] What the HELL is this? [15:16] lnxslck: a friend and I confirmed that the driver was properly instaled. GLX is the problem. [15:16] erizoe, do you know which driver are you using ? nv, nvidia, nouveau or vesa ? [15:17] s/are you/you are [15:17] i don't understand this at all [15:17] camrade_tux: i'm using nvidia and downloaded the correct one from the nvidia website [15:17] erizoe: do you have a line like this in your xorg.conf? Load "glx" [15:17] nullboy: yes, i do [15:18] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:18] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-25-128.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:18] is the nvidia driver loaded? show us: lsmod | grep nvidia [15:18] erizoe, do you know which driver you are using ? nv, nvidia, nouveau or vesa ? [15:18] EndSection [15:18] # Device configured by xorgconfig: [15:18] Section "Device" [15:18] Channel flood from erizoe -- kicking [15:18] Identifier "nvidiacarddef" [15:18] Driver "nv" [15:18] erizoe kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:18] ugh [15:19] ... [15:19] dot dot dot is right [15:19] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] Lol, sorry. [15:19] erizoe: so you didn't edit the config file [15:19] hahaha Look at the item location. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Samsung-SSD-32GB-Solid-State-Disk-SATA-1-8-SLC_W0QQitemZ330298400421QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item330298400421&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A3|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318 [15:19] slackboy probably saved the channel though ;) [15:20] erizoe, try running nvidia-xconfig [15:20] Did the whole thign send or do i need to paste somewhere else? My xorg.conf is set up fine. It might be a little sloppy but it's fine. [15:20] erizoe, pastebin [15:20] erizoe, you tried installing the nvidia "official" driver, right ? [15:20] let's just check out the pastebin of it [15:20] ;) [15:21] Yes i have. and nvidia-xconfig failed both times that i tried [15:21] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] erizoe, why ? with which errors ? [15:21] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [15:21] is my only error that i haven't fixed [15:22] Do you want a pastebin of xorg.conf or of the /var/log/ for xorg? [15:23] .conf [15:23] erizoe, according to your xorg.conf, you're using the 'nv' driver, not the 'nvidia', which is probably the problem [15:23] I am using NV right now because i need to have a working GUI [15:24] erizoe, nvidia overwrites several files with incompatible versions [15:24] so you can't mix drivers that easily [15:24] The problem is GLX, can someone help me out with reconfiguring or reinstalling it somehow? I'm a bit of a noob [15:24] (unless you use the slackbuild and use nvidia-switch) [15:25] erizoe, if you want this to work. I suggest you quit declaring what the problem is and listen. [15:25] doesnt nvidia have a nice tool to create a working xorg.conf file? [15:25] erizoe, if nvidia-xconfig doesn't work, try xorgsetup [15:25] nachox, nvidia-xconfig ;) [15:26] try reinstallling with the nvidia installer [15:26] use ./nvidia.....sh --uninstall first [15:26] nullboy: here you go http://pastebin.com/d1636dfe1 that's /etc/X11/xorg.conf for anyone who doubts me. It's a little sloppy but this is a working process. [15:26] goofeedude (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] goofeedude (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:27] erizoe, you aren't using the nvidia driver. [15:28] Driver "nv" [15:28] Hiptobecubic: this is the current working xorg.conf. the broken one has "nvidia" int he driver. (woops) [15:28] So if you use 'nvidia' it breaks? [15:28] yes [15:28] after a clean-error free install from the installer? [15:28] clean error-free* [15:29] erizoe: can you paste us the nvidia instalelr log? /var/log/nvidia-installer.log [15:29] Concupiscence (n=Concupis@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] i'm out. you guys can handle this i'm sure :D [15:29] Aloha [15:29] ty hip [15:30] erizoe: did you ever try comment out load glx when you have driver nvidia? [15:30] http://pastebin.com/d4d2caee6 is /var/log/nvidia-installer.log [15:31] kitche: I have not tried that. but my driver told me to add it. [15:31] ./nvidia...sh --uninstall :) [15:32] the make sure you compile your own bindings for the nvidia driver against your kernel [15:32] hehe, i with you guys speak spanish, this is damn fun [15:32] What's the issue erizoe's facing? [15:32] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:32] hola amigo [15:32] superGear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] jonsmith: I'm a bit new, can you explain a bit. sorry to be a bug [15:33] superGear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Pig_Pen, nah, you need to be able to listen and understand spanish [15:33] concupiscence: my issue is i can't use nvidia driver, this is my error "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" [15:34] erizoe: what card do you have, and what kernel version are you running? [15:34] i know just enough spanish to make a pretty senorita slap me [15:34] erizoe, what nvidia card do you have? [15:34] nvidia geforce 6151le [15:34] Pig_Pen, i'm guessing that to laugh at this you'd have to know a little about the history of my country [15:35] 6150LE? Onboard, yes? [15:35] yes [15:35] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:35] I have the right driver for it to [15:35] o [15:35] Shouldn't be problematic. What version of the driver? [15:35] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-56-251.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] NVIDIA-Linux-x86-177.82-pkg1.run is the file [15:35] i live in oklahoma, about 30 miles from the texas border, lots of mexicans here i my home town, i am friends with a few [15:35] i got it yesterday from the nvidia website [15:35] Yep, right version. What kernel version? [15:35] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) joined ##slackware. [15:36] whatever slackware 12.2 comes stockw ith [15:36] i wish i knew a little more* [15:36] never have load "glx" in my xorg.conf for a nvidia driver besides the nv [15:36] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-24.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] I* [15:36] kitche, i'll give you a try then. I'll be back in a minute guys. thanks ver much. [15:36] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] and before i moved to oklahoma i lived in san diego california [15:37] so, when given a choice to make a soft or a hard link, why do people usually choose to go with soft? [15:37] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.201.14) joined ##slackware. [15:37] crap. he left [15:37] CaptObviousman: soft links are more obvious then hard links ;) [15:37] Anywhere near Ada? That's my old family home (no direct relatives living there, but a bunch in the cemetery.) [15:38] Pig_Pen: ^^ [15:39] yup, i live just a few miles outside the town of Ada [15:39] is there a difference in performance? [15:39] kitche, it's automatic now afaik [15:39] I mean, both are taking up an inode, and the soft is also taking up a 4k block [15:39] well, that's one thing I'm fuzzy on, if you've got a real small file, does it still take the whole block, or does the FS squeeze them together? [15:39] cool [15:40] Pig_Pen, are you still running xsane as root? [15:40] no, i added my users to the scanner group [15:40] ok - i made a small how to about it [15:40] I have a stupid Firefox problem having to do with Flash... anyone else find that FF crashes when trying to fullscreen a Youtube vid? [15:40] and a script to change perms auto [15:40] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/sane [15:41] thanks for that tip [15:41] if your interested you might wanna look [15:41] Concupiscence, turn off hardware accell in flash [15:41] np [15:41] It doesn't happen when running Seamonkey, so I'm fairly certain it's just buried somewhere in about:config... [15:41] it should be an option along with audio, video and the rest with the adduser script [15:41] Hmm. Let me try that. [15:41] Nick change: Camarade_Tux_ -> Camarade_Tux [15:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [15:42] Concupiscence: could be a ff plugin causing the crash, also [15:42] Camarade_Tux: yes nvidia loads it's own glx but from what I remember if you put load glx in your xorg.conf it loads mesa glx instead of the nvidia glx [15:42] line 102 in /usr/sbin/addusers [15:43] ive heard other people crashing while playing flash fullscreen on bbc [15:43] kitche, it'd surprise me, afaik it *can't* use mesa's [15:43] CaptObviousman: hard links take an inode up [15:43] dive, that was me... i remember asking you to check [15:43] ah [15:43] Camarade_Tux: no nvidia can't but xorg can :) [15:44] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Only add-ons installed are Adblock Plus and Oldbar. [15:45] Grr. Can't disable hardware acceleration (won't let me click the checkbox), and alt-tabbing back here crashed the browser. [15:46] rm -rf ~/.adobe ? [15:46] nah rm -f www.adobe.com [15:46] rm -rf ~/.macromedia ? [15:46] lol [15:46] if only ^^ [15:46] do the same for microsoft [15:46] anyone know how gnash is shaping up lately? [15:47] Seriously, if gnash was an option I'd hop right over. [15:47] i havent looked at it for over a year [15:47] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:47] there was no sound at that time [15:48] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] THat did not fix it [15:49] I'm bck to my working xorg.conf without glx enabled now [15:50] Consider uninstalling the nvidia drivers, reinstalling them, and letting the installer make modifications to your xorg.conf (don't forget to backup first). [15:51] i think you only have to run nvidia-xconfig to do that [15:51] I'll take a look at it and if i come up with a solution or dig myself deeper i'll be back. Thanks for hte help guys [15:51] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:51] dive: Yarp. [15:52] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Excess Flood [15:53] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [15:54] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Seamonkey seems to have no issues. Blegh. [15:56] Is dvd::rip worth using? [15:56] Concupiscence: yes [15:57] 2nd that [15:57] Concupiscence: albeit, I am favourable to tovid [15:57] http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Tovid_Wiki#Get_tovid [15:58] I'm filled with random questions: when installing ffmpeg earlier, I found that it didn't believe my system supported the CMOV instruction. Since I'm running a Core 2 Duo, I thought this was both funny and incomprehensible... 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[16:25] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [16:25] has anyone ever had KRec actually work? audacity works fine for recording from my laptop's built in microphone but KRec doesn't work [16:27] heh [16:28] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-84-220-95-118.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [16:29] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-84-220-95-118.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [16:29] I prefer audacity to KRec [16:30] tricqster (n=knao@adsl-dyn105.78-99-100.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [16:30] thumbs: yeah me too. I'm just messing with KRec and i wish i could make it work. I know my sound system works fine since audacity works [16:31] nullboy: it might be using legacy APIs, I think [16:31] nullboy: i.e. pre-alsa [16:31] the OSS compat? [16:31] yes. [16:31] i have alsa oss compat enabled [16:31] I've always struggled with apps that use OSS [16:32] that was not sufficient, in my experience [16:33] the issue lies with mapping devices between alsa and OSS. [16:33] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFBCF9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:33] somehow, the input devices are not mapped properly. [16:35] that was as far as I went with gdb [16:37] add it to the list of crappy alsa things [16:37] that thing never worked properly... [16:38] I find it easier to use apps that rely on alsa directly. It works much better. [16:38] looks like i'm not the only one who thingks KRec sucks though [16:38] there a re few KDE apps that still haven't moved over [16:38] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFBCF9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] what app actually relies on alsa alone? most of them rely on something that sits on top of alsa... [16:40] amarok does. [16:40] Camarade_Tux: Do you have a SlackBuild for bootchart by any chance? [16:40] i have never ever got the sounds/multimedia options in kde to play oggs properly [16:40] they just sound like a scratch [16:40] dive: I use amarok for oggs [16:41] i had to convert them all to wavs [16:41] yeah thats better i would think thumbs [16:41] dive: amaroks can play them natively. [16:41] dive: be sure to install libogg [16:41] im talking about the system sounds that kde actually ships with [16:41] alkos333, no [16:41] they dont work [16:41] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) joined ##slackware. [16:42] not in the kde dialogs anyay [16:42] alkos333, do you want a slackbuild for the bootchart.jar file or for something else ? [16:42] dive: artsd is a PITA, yes [16:42] i always use aplay -q if i have the choice for system sounds [16:42] works fine in pidgin et al [16:42] Camarade_Tux: Sorry, never mind [16:44] MPlayer thinks my computer is too slow to play regular definition video :D [16:44] souljas_ (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [16:45] anybody knows why mplayer (without gui) doesn't do window snap in xfce [16:45] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-24.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:46] uhvo, try running it with '-zoom' ; it's not the best solution but it works [16:46] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] hiptobecubic: give it another -vo [16:47] Camarade_Tux, god bless ya, if I believed in God. But I did it [16:47] It plays fine. I don't know what mplayer is bitching about. [16:47] TwinReverb (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [16:48] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] briareus, it just worked for xfce, snapping work [16:49] is it OK to discuss slackbuild scripts here, or is there a separate channel for that? [16:49] cbpye: you should ask #slackbuilds [16:49] cool [16:49] thanks again, man [16:49] if it's about version, try mailing the owner [16:49] there's a #slackbuilds? [16:49] hiptobecubic: yes [16:49] apparently there is [16:49] -join #slackbuilds [16:50] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl96-47.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:51] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [16:51] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] Is there anything to convert pdf to jpeg? [16:52] mrselfpwn: sure [16:52] imagemagick? [16:52] mrselfpwn: 'convert' from imagemagick or gimp [16:52] ok [16:52] thank you thumbs [16:52] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-2cf0fdfd59522b16) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] i'm attempting to help a friend and he is in windows. [16:52] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [16:53] poor him [16:53] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl85-53.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:53] Nick change: nick4_ -> nick4 [16:53] yes lol [16:53] windows has such limited tools [16:53] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] yes, I wonder if gimp will do it in windows [16:54] ashenvale (n=Enrik@141.6.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-1b4a9c540790eff1) joined ##slackware. [16:56] have you tried pdftohtml, it might separate the graphics & text from the file [16:57] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:58] that won't yield the results he's expecting. [16:58] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [16:58] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFBCF9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:58] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:58] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] you can screen-capture the pdf from acrobat or a browser [16:59] hmm [16:59] that may not be a bad idea [17:00] you can open PDF's in gimp or 'display' or 'xv' then save them as another format. like jpg/png [17:00] ashenvale (n=Enrik@141.6.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:00] see the part where his friend is stuck onwindows. [17:00] and with the appropriate tool, you can do that even with several pages-long files [17:01] inkscape maybe? or scribus [17:01] openoffice even. [17:01] jiraia (n=jiraia@189-10-53-101.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:01] jiraia (n=jiraia@189-10-53-101.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [17:02] he said gimp doesn't do them right [17:02] what ever that means [17:02] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.67.168) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] mmm well -vo gl got rid of the complaint... but i don't notice a difference. [17:03] no, now he says he hasn't tried gimp [17:03] mrselfpwn: haha [17:03] lol [17:04] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:06] humm.. does any1 know how to turn off a pc after hibernation? [17:06] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] unplug it [17:06] then replace the harddrive [17:06] pc hibernates and resumes fine, just it doesent turn off [17:07] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-161-35.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [17:07] i have to press Power button on pc case to turn it of after it hibernates [17:08] i mean press for 5 seconds or so, it's bios setting anyway [17:09] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:10] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:15] nullboy, yeah auto render was pretty hopeless for me too. Care to share your build? [17:16] auto render won't because we don't have some specific java crap [17:16] i'm figuring it out right no [17:16] now [17:16] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [17:19] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:20] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [17:22] spook_ (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [17:24] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:26] lol : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0QPChDUXVzA (the programming reddit is great ;) ) [17:27] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [17:29] hiptobecubic: looks like we need jpackage-utils along with commons-cli [17:30] Action: Camarade_Tux has never heard of jpackage-utils [17:30] http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/jpackage/1.7/generic/free/repodata/repoview/jpackage-utils-0-1.7.3-2jpp.html [17:30] now you know! [17:30] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:30] it's going to be gross to make autorender work [17:31] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] well, I think I'm not going to invest time making autorender work [17:33] looks likr i could do it the easy way by repackaging rpms [17:33] True or false, "Debbie downer is the best skit to ever come out of SNL." [17:34] hmmm, pink ? [17:38] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [17:38] greetings and happy new year ;) [17:38] happy new year :) [17:39] Well maybe...... celebrity jeopardy [17:39] ok, i removed the VirtualBox, that I installed from the vbox site, and installed the one from sbo, and now I dont know how to run it. I type VirtualBox in terminal, and its not there. [17:39] im sure you have been hearing this "happy new year" bit for the last 5days.. but my first time login in 2009 ;) so.. [17:39] hope this year found you all doing something fun.. and with lots of nice plans ;) [17:39] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:40] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] shouldnt there be a link to it in kmenu somewhere? [17:40] I don't know if it exists elsewhere but in France at least, we have a group against new years ;p [17:40] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] i'm with Camarade_Tux, screw this autorender crap [17:40] hehe :p [17:42] Camarade_Tux: and what do you do in this group? [17:42] The-Croupier, nothing, you just demonstrate against the new year ;p [17:43] was it the grintch..(jim carrey) that hated new year/christmas , is it something like that l.... [17:43] it's absolutely unuseful [17:43] can 2 different linux distros share the same swap? [17:43] Camarade_Tux: i believe its one of the few left reasons for people to celebrate and not think about work and money [17:43] even if some of us work during holidays :( [17:44] LnxSlck, yeah. [17:44] hiptobecubic, ok [17:44] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:44] anyone? [17:44] LnxSlck: unless one distro uses the swap for hibernation... [17:45] alienBOB, why? [17:45] LnxSlck, because then it will be full... [17:45] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [17:45] vinnie_, hard to say, I'm not using the slackbuild, but do you know where it's installed ? [17:45] i.e. in the PATH ? [17:45] Camarade_Tux: not sure [17:45] hiptobecubic, but i mean 2 distros using the same swap at diferent times [17:46] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] hiptobecubic, i mean 1 distro at a time [17:46] is /home/* only for usernames? [17:46] Can I make a /home/projects? [17:46] redtricycle, yes [17:46] Since I put home in its own partition [17:46] LnxSlck, when you hibernate, it dumps your ram into swap so that you don't lose it when you powercycle [17:46] I just need to be careful not to make a user named "projects"? [17:46] LnxSlck, then you resume by dumping swap back into ram [17:46] hiptobecubic, oh.. so i need to be carefull with that [17:47] If you use hibernate, yes. [17:47] vinnie_, from a terminal, can you run 'VirtualBox' ? [17:47] vinnie_: looking at the .desktop file it should be in some menu as "Sun xVM VirtualBox (Qt3)" [17:47] -bash: VirtualBox: command not found [17:47] Maybe in the "lost+found" menu? [17:48] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:48] lost+found??? [17:48] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:48] The executable should be "VirtualBox3" [17:48] -bash: VirtualBox3: command not found [17:49] I ate it. [17:49] Action: rob0 VirtualBurps [17:49] Did you only build it, or did you actually run installpkg on the generated package vinnie_? [17:49] i built and installed using sbopkg [17:50] I only support installpkg, so I can not help you there [17:50] Is there something in "ls -l /var/log/packages | grep -i virtualbox" ? [17:50] i believe sbopkg uses installpkg [17:50] yes it does. [17:51] root@bporch:/home/vinnie# ls -l /var/log/packages | grep -i virtualbox [17:51] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 992 2009-01-03 16:32 virtualbox-kernel-2.0.6_2.6.27.7_smp-i486-1_SBo [17:51] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40367 2009-01-03 16:30 virtualbox-ose-2.0.6-i486-2_SBo [17:51] It can run installpkg but did he let it run it? [17:51] cat them files and determin where the binary is. [17:51] OK so it is installed. Did you edit the SlackBuild or did you run it unmodified? [17:51] alienBOB: unmod [17:51] And do you have KDE3 or KDE4 installed? [17:52] 3 [17:52] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [17:52] Then there should be a VirtualBox3 binary really [17:52] Action: The-Croupier is not following so much the line of thought [17:52] But check your build log and check the package file [17:52] The-Croupier: drunk? [17:52] i probably didnt properly remove the non-ose version [17:53] Action: Camarade_Tux has to sleep, good nigh [17:53] t [17:53] i just deleted the directory in /opt [17:55] alienBOB: no, jealous :( [17:57] vinnie_: why did you not removepkg [17:57] The-Croupier: i installed it from a '.run' file from the virtualbox website [17:58] ohh :( [17:58] thats why i like the sbo ;) its clean afterwards [17:58] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [17:59] i think im just gonna do a fresh install of slackware again. Im just learning and i think ive screwed up several things along the way [17:59] im sorry i cannot help. never needed to install something from a .run :( the only thing i installed differently from all the rest was nvidia.bin :( [17:59] vinnie_: screwing up is fine ;) the process of fixing the screw up.. will teach you lots ;) [18:00] Action: The-Croupier learnt lots of things slack could do that way ;) [18:00] yeah, this slackware distro is intense [18:00] vinnie_: i hope you had a read around slackware.com slackbook and the #slackware topic [18:00] im use to everything just working. Im moved over from PCLinuxOS [18:01] ive installed slackware some time ago.. but im also used on stuff to working ;) its just me that fscks up most of the time ;) [18:01] The binary is indeed named VirtualBox3 [18:01] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) left irc: "Leaving" [18:03] can i do a reinstall of the distro and keep my /home untouched, and just create the same user again? [18:03] vinnie_: depends if its in another partition [18:03] yes it is [18:04] i dont think its gonna be a problem, ... (is there?!!!) [18:04] personally i have another partition for stuff that i change... and when fresh install i just copy stuff from that partition and things are back to order [18:04] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:05] should i just manualy choose the uid when creating the user so its the same as now? [18:06] its currerntly 500 [18:06] dont remember what the default is but if it matters why not [18:06] i dont see why not [18:07] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] thanx all [18:10] tricqster (n=knao@adsl-dyn105.78-99-100.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [18:11] shadow696 (i=0@85.65.2.21.dynamic.barak-online.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] np [18:11] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:17] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:17] dpunches (i=1000@cpe-24-25-171-131.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:19] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-1b4a9c540790eff1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:20] X11 fails with vanilla config with an S3 Unichrome chip [18:20] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] dpunches: sounds like you should configure things better than "vanilla". [18:21] xorgconfig [18:22] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:22] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@92.250.90.118) joined ##slackware. [18:22] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [18:23] hey everyone..... [18:23] dpunches: did you get that? [18:24] could someone help me with something.. I just got a scary messege when I logged in to root... [18:24] Its said something like: u don't have enough disk space or something like that. and the system will make enough space for now. [18:24] I thought it might be one of those messages that come up when you log in. [18:25] After I did startx I wanted to see the message again, so I thought that I tried mail in the terminal and it did show me 2 messages but not the one that I got... [18:25] So I can relax.. its just one of those smart ass messages, right?! [18:25] ... [18:26] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: Client Quit [18:27] How to colorize man pages ? [18:27] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] I do have about a giga and a half , free space in root, and enother 8 giga in /home [18:28] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:29] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:37] slackuser (n=senthil@c-98-211-167-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:37] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:39] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] well im danc3: thanks. i just wanted to make sure people in here knew that was happening with that combo [18:44] yeah, nice of you to reply.... [18:44] do you always ask something, and then disappear for a while ? [18:44] usually when im reading docs, yes. [18:45] not cool [18:45] sorry. [18:46] Al_Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) joined ##slackware. [18:52] why does akregator require text-to-speech? [18:53] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [18:55] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.20.46) joined ##slackware. [18:56] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.130.221) joined ##slackware. [18:56] paalfe (n=paalfe@78-26-5-229.network.trollfjord.no) joined ##slackware. [18:58] before I actually go to bed : request for icon themes : have one chosen in .gtkrc-2.0, it's better as every WM doesn't provide the needed functionnality to equal that [18:58] alruna_ (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:58] and now, bed :) [19:02] shadow696 (i=0@85.65.2.21.dynamic.barak-online.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] paalfe (n=paalfe@78-26-5-229.network.trollfjord.no) left ##slackware. [19:06] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [19:07] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [19:07] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left ##slackware. [19:08] rk4n3 ready for another nighter? [19:09] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:10] user1 (n=user1@ll62-70-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [19:10] yow5465 (n=R5464@ll62-70-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [19:10] user1 (n=user1@ll62-70-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) left irc: Client Quit [19:11] mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so.51: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [19:11] any solution ? [19:11] where did you get that mplayer from? [19:12] linuxpackages.net [19:12] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:14] eww! [19:14] yow5465: i'd comment two things: first, do not use packages from linuxpackages.net because many times they are built on nonstandard systems and have weird dependencies which are not really needed; second: use slackbuilds and compile your own packages easily (http://slackbuilds.org, as in the topic) [19:16] rg3, ok i tray slackbuild [19:16] rg3, thanks [19:17] smax (n=bearpers@24.115.113.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] hi [19:18] does slapt-get resolve dependancies? and does slapt get have anymore that whats in slackbuilds ? [19:19] We do not support slapt-get here smax [19:19] yow5465 (n=R5464@ll62-70-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) left irc: "Leaving" [19:20] why? [19:20] it doesnt support dependancies with official slackware packages because official packages have no dependancy information [19:21] it probably works just fine but oh well. i'll just stick with gentoo. [19:21] it does work just fine [19:21] Good for you [19:21] but you should probably stick with gentoo none the less [19:22] smax: there's a #slapt-get channel, i think, so you may have more luck there [19:22] it would just be me talking in a different channel =) [19:22] If you really want to use Slackware be prepared to live without automatic dependency resolution [19:22] ugh fuck that. [19:22] More fun than gentoo too [19:22] why live like that. [19:23] i actually have work to do. and i hate un-nessessary typing. [19:23] Bye then [19:23] why do you guys like that? [19:23] smax go play with your toys then. [19:23] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:23] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:23] extra typing, dependancy hell. [19:24] smax live in your world. Get Fucked up in mine [19:24] smax better get a distro with training wheels then :D [19:24] Si|kK (n=SiLkK@2001:470:f001:beef:216:ceff:fe62:559f) joined ##slackware. [19:24] i think he has one [19:24] smax why dont u have your boy friend come over and do your nails? [19:25] you're all a bunch of nerdy niggers. i think thats the answer. [19:25] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-253983.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:25] you guys like extra typing just because you're all nerdy niggers trying to look 1337 [19:25] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-787e0a2ee4aea6a4) joined ##slackware. [19:25] smax nanananananan i'm rubber your glue [19:25] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:25] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*n=bearpe*@*.115.113.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [19:25] smax kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: alienBOB [19:25] good! [19:25] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [19:25] Action: lotec had a few beers. i am ready to argue :D [19:25] i love yengling [19:26] :D [19:26] No nigger calling here [19:26] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "bbiab" [19:26] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@ipv6.slackbox.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:27] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [19:27] man [19:27] I knew a dude named Emad [19:27] He worked in IT so his screen name was E-mad [19:27] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [19:27] That is awesome on so many levels [19:28] Action: lotec scratches his head [19:28] heh [19:28] was Emad's favorite editor emacs ? [19:28] lol [19:28] He used Windows and SUSE [19:29] and would try to convert me to using suse all the time [19:29] and I'd remind him that suse was an offshoot of slackware [19:29] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:29] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-09165.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:29] Nick change: agiofws_ -> Agiofws [19:29] it seems like there are quite a few offshoots of slackware [19:29] i thought suse was based on redhat ... [19:30] SuSE started as a Slackware germanification [19:30] having rpms as the primary package method and all [19:30] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:31] there is Absolute, Vector & Zenwalk, that are very slackish, but they are so slackish that you might as well just use the "real slackware" [19:31] hahahah smax pmed me [19:32] The SUSE guys claim they restarted the codebase from scratch or some shit [19:32] but I don't believe it [19:33] that started over basing it off of Jurix [19:33] Florian Laroche's distro [19:33] suse uses the initv system like debian or redhat doesnt it? [19:33] sysv* [19:34] and like Slackware ;) [19:34] although, a slightly different approach [19:34] its also incredibly bloated [19:34] I have no idea what that is but I never liked it [19:34] slackware uses bsd style init scripts [19:34] lotec: me too, a lot of junk flooded my window and I had to use /ignore [19:35] alienBOB yea same here. but i dont care. gives me someone to f with while i am Drunk :D [19:35] Suse is incredibly bloated. [19:35] Why did he pm you? Do you know him? [19:35] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:35] Ah, your snide comments :-) [19:36] alienBOB i have no idea who the dude it. i would show u the convo but i dont think you want to see it :D [19:36] Hey guys I gotta tell you something [19:36] the only reason I use slackware is because I can't figure out how to install FreeBSD [19:37] really? [19:37] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Well [19:37] Garganutaq: i have to agree with yea. i tried a freebsd install. WOW [19:37] that bad? [19:37] FreeBSD is a decent enough os, but the freebsd installer is like a more primitive slackware install, like a 3 year old copied slackware's installer [19:37] It's crazy [19:37] Especially if you're a first timer [19:37] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@ipv6.slackbox.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Well [19:37] I remember I got to the point of the acutal install... [19:38] but it had different packages on different CDs [19:38] sberla54_ (i=1000@62-101-116-245.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] so it'd ask for cd1 for one package then cd2 for the second package... [19:38] and so on [19:39] Garganutaq just do a basic install [19:39] That could be more efficient ;-) [19:39] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.56.21) joined ##slackware. [19:39] then install x [19:39] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-39-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:39] errm what? FBSD installation is probably the best there is.. [19:39] ask nullboy about it. I'm sure he's read all the docs :D [19:39] and the documentation too [19:39] i know! i hate that about freebsd's installer, always jumping from cdrom to cdrom, seems like it would install all the selected packages from the first CD then move to the second, but nope it grabs a few off the first, then prompts for the second, then it asks to put the first cd in again, its crazy and disorginized [19:40] ah, do a netinstall ffs :P [19:40] sahko, their documentation is the best [19:40] The documentation is like a fucking autobiography [19:40] BORING [19:40] I didn't need a manual to master Slackware [19:40] when I changed to static IP, torrent runs very well (i use port forwarding) but Firefox seems to stuck, is there something wrong in between? I'm using openDNS for my D-link router [19:40] I mean aside from man of course. [19:40] no slackbook for you? [19:40] documentation is not meant to be entertaining [19:40] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.20.46) left irc: "Quit" [19:40] i think Freebsd should do itself a favor and clone slackware [19:40] it's meant to be readable [19:41] Strykar, but it would be better if it was. [19:41] which in case of FreeBSd it isn't. [19:41] i think Freebsd should do itself a favor and clone slackware's installer, or arch or crux, [19:41] jesus alienBOB i wish i could show u this convo. but it is bad. [19:41] Because it's longer than my dick. [19:41] hit enter too soon [19:41] Gargantuaq, shouldn't be too bad [19:41] :D [19:41] lotec: he is actually using readable words in your PM? [19:41] sigh [19:42] another solution to your disk problem is download the dvd ... [19:42] In my window he just cat-ed a piece of binary code it seemed [19:42] FreeBSD only problem is the way you have to swtich cd's to get a full install that is the problem. [19:42] I'd rather read the entire bible than the FreeBSD manual. [19:42] alienBOB, hahaha [19:42] cat /dev/urandom [19:42] alienBOB o yea he used words. i made him run away saying he was going to go watch starwars. [19:42] Si|kK, they don't have a DVD image for free. [19:42] but i said some very mean stuff to him. [19:42] But yes I know [19:42] and I don't really want it. [19:42] ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.4/ [19:42] i'm looking at one [19:43] But it's the actual reason why I ended up with slackware. [19:43] FreeBSD needs a dvd install disk [19:43] 6.4 has one [19:43] but 7 doesnt [19:43] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@ipv6.slackbox.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:43] FreeBSD tries too hard to be different from Linux. [19:43] Someone should make a 6.4 dvd install disk [19:43] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:43] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [19:43] lotec: perhaps /ignore *!*bearpe*@*.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net is best [19:44] ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.4/6.4-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.gz [19:44] alienBOB on a normal night i would. but i had a few to many beers :D [19:44] Well /ignore *!*bearpe*@*.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net ALL , even :-) [19:44] lotec: hahaha [19:44] No one wants to switch cds all night [19:44] BSD package management is also fucked. [19:44] I like DesktopBSD package management. [19:44] Gargantuaq: now now - not everyone likes everything about Linux - FreeBSD is definitely sticking to the old-school BSD feel of things, whereas Linux doesn't focus on that at all really [19:45] You put a file in /Software and that's it. [19:45] Gargantuaq i had this same convo in here just a few days ago man [19:46] Not to mention licence stuff. [19:48] Anyways BSD is going to die in a few years anyways [19:48] Because of Linux [19:48] yeah right [19:49] if Solaris can survive so can BSD [19:49] they all have their preferred applications. [19:49] Solaris is run by SUN [19:49] They could sell fart software as good as Solaris. [19:49] some people still live and die by BSD [19:49] what does that even mean? [19:49] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] They could sell software that makes fart noises as it's main function [19:50] As good as they can sell solaris [19:50] that's what it means [19:50] some people i am sure prefer bsd or solaris, like most in here prefer slackware [19:50] so you think software that makes fart noises would be marketable? [19:51] if it's sold by sun [19:51] I'm just saying there's no reason to make software for BSD [19:51] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@ipv6.slackbox.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] they're already struggling with that [19:52] Gargantuaq: BSD makes one bad ass server distro man [19:52] its the bsd license, it is too free, it allows corporations to steal it too easy, the GPL requires any distributed modifications to be re-released with changes as GPL [19:52] Solaris is also pretty damn solid. [19:52] No, slackware does. [19:52] once you get it working :) [19:53] Pig_Pen is correct. that is why Apple stole it and wrote a hole dame operational os out of it [19:53] The standard slackware LAMP stuff is exactly like I want it [19:53] I don't have to change a thing [19:53] sberla54_ (i=1000@62-101-116-245.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [19:55] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:56] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [19:56] Man [19:56] if i was a developer i would choose the GPL because if someone was to take my software that i wrote and distribute a modified copy the GPL would require them to distribute the modified source too so if i liked it enough i could roll it right back in to my distribution or anyone else could too [19:56] I've realised I don't actually hate any software [19:56] aside from vista [19:56] everything is usuable and has its benefits. [19:57] Pig_Pen, that's hopeless. [19:57] naw, its good! share and share alike :D [19:57] Someone can still steal your GPL'd code and market it as their own. [19:57] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "lightning storm" [19:57] And no one will ever know. [19:57] i would have the FSF sue their ass off [19:57] Not to mention it's sort of hard to enforce within the united states. [19:57] checkout xchat.org [19:57] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] that's not the actual offical trademark. [19:58] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] m0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-b82c2a555d244571) joined ##slackware. [19:59] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.56.21) left irc: "Leaving" [20:00] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@ipv6.slackbox.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:00] the FOSS community is a fairly tight knit community, if i was a famous developers of some high profile piece of software and someone took my code and started redistributing it as non GPLed software i would make some noise about it and it would get around the community and it would be shunned by the majority of the Linux using community [20:00] My code is BSD three-clause. [20:00] how would you know it's your code? [20:01] Gargantuaq, code analysis. [20:01] But you don't have the code [20:01] Windows might be using a Linux kernel [20:01] You have the binary code, and you have your own binary. [20:01] Well there are ways to get around that [20:01] lmaaao! [20:02] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Like using a library that isn't GPL in the first place. [20:02] Action: lotec needs beer [20:02] Binary "similarities" don't stand up in court [20:03] Could be just coincedence. [20:03] unless they fuck it up and keep records [20:03] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.56.21) joined ##slackware. [20:04] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@92.250.90.118) left irc: "Saindo" [20:05] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] i installed virtualbox-addons and kernel addons but when I started the scripts, they said "modprobe vboxadd failed" [20:05] why did that fail? [20:06] same with vboxvfs [20:06] dpunches (i=1000@cpe-24-25-171-131.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:07] rk4n3 u out parting again? [20:09] man i love this yengling beer. [20:10] yuengling [20:10] I'm a stella fan, myself. [20:10] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-71-61-189-24.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] hiptobecubic: you have a yuengling? dude all i used to drink was budweiser.. i love this beer [20:11] HacKBoX (n=hackbox@c-76-104-84-220.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] hello [20:11] lotec, yeah it's good. just not my favorite. [20:11] loves corona and tsingtao [20:11] budweiser can go to assworld [20:11] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:11] tucker hefe [20:11] ick, yuengling. that beer used to be ok, but somehow the quality went down [20:11] hiptobecubic: what is your favorate? yea budweirser i dont know just not the same [20:12] ananke: i dare u [20:12] my coworkers noticed the same. half of the time they'd drink yuengling, they get headaches [20:12] its the best beer ever [20:12] lotec : riiight [20:12] i love it. [20:12] corona or imperial with lime is pretty delicious. [20:12] Stella Artois is good too [20:12] i hate corona. [20:13] lotec : then again your previous favorite beer shows us what your perspective is like [20:13] Newcastle is one of my favorites [20:13] NO FRUIT! [20:13] ananke: mean really mean [20:13] Had a newcastle the other day. [20:13] Molson Golden Ale [20:13] Anyone try Tucker? [20:13] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [20:13] lotec : it's not my fault you haven't been exposed to better beer [20:13] kelligans is good to. 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[20:15] http://www.bluelabelbeer.com/ [20:15] say no to beer [20:15] only one i know of [20:15] yuck yuck yuck [20:15] lotec : never heard of it [20:16] very good. i like ale's [20:16] drink pure grain alcohol [20:16] What about Newcastle Brown Ale [20:16] lol moonshine [20:16] or Bell's Oberon [20:16] HacKBoX: that a good one too' [20:17] My Favorite [20:17] newcastle is a few notches above yuengling :) [20:17] hum never heard of that one. ill have to look at the sore [20:17] store [20:17] lotec : you have to look in the different isle :) [20:17] ananke: i have i drink alot of different beers [20:18] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] yuengling sux in my opinion, just a glorified budweiser [20:18] i just like the taste of yengling. no after taste and it just taste good [20:18] lotec : you seem to be roughly 1/3 way there. you've stepped up, no longer drinking bud. yuengling is barely better [20:18] ananke: well then what else do u suggest i try? [20:18] ananke: You speak the truth [20:19] you smoke the bud [20:19] i am opened here. i have tried australian beer i hated the taste [20:19] lotec: Do you like Heineken [20:19] lotec : you have to move up the isle [20:19] i had labatts from a keg once and it was good [20:19] heineken is barely better than yuengling :) [20:19] heineken is shit in a bottle. i dont drink heineken or corona [20:19] busbus (n=lukas@port-92-193-84-219.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [20:19] lotec : you said you like ales. you're in states? [20:19] ananke yeppers [20:19] most beers taste good from a keg at a party [20:19] hi there [20:20] lotec : time you start moving up to 'big' microbreweries. start with sam adam's, magic hat, troegs [20:20] same with sam adams. that stuff is crap [20:20] ananke; sam adams. come on man. yengling kills sams. [20:20] uhmm, sam adams makes a dozen or so different types of beer. you can't say that you hate them all [20:20] lotec: Drink a Corona in Cancun and then tell me you don't drink it [20:21] yuengling has two major beers. the black and tan, and the crappy regular one [20:21] HackBox: if i ever go to Cancun i would not drink a Corona man. [20:22] like an occasional red stripe [20:22] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-71-61-189-24.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:23] ananke: maybe its just where your gettig your yengling from man. they actually brew it down here i can tell u i have had it in Ohio and up in northern states and it is not the same [20:23] can someone explain me how altertrack can harm my system (at least the readme says so) while slacktrack asks me to consider using altertrack.. is there a better alternative to both of these? because with checkinstall i always end up touching files before installing the package [20:25] altertrack _can_ touch up every file on your system. But you can tell slacktrack/altertrack not to do that (the package creation time will only be slightly longer) [20:26] m0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-b82c2a555d244571) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:27] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:31] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [20:31] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [20:32] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) joined ##slackware. [20:32] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:33] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] m0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-2069635b92692bc8) joined ##slackware. [20:33] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:47] edman007, meep [20:48] busbus (n=lukas@port-92-193-84-219.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:48] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-161-35.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [20:48] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [20:48] where do you live sahko? islamibekistan>? [20:49] islamibekistan is pretty cool place [20:49] and what is this lord you speak of, us infidel atheists do not believe in god [20:49] What tools are good for collecting volatile data? [20:49] Glass jars [20:50] latex gloves help too [20:50] lol @ glass jars, (mason jars) [20:50] Volatov cocktail! [20:50] i haven't used mylaptop in over 7months [20:50] i missed it so much [20:51] alienBOB: do you have the link/url to your information about USB installer setups? [20:51] nix-chix0r that is what happens when u lve it in islamibekistan [20:51] nullboy: yes, in your channel history no doubt [20:51] Come on, just open my home page... [20:53] i hang my head in shame. [20:53] Action: dive takes the chance to land a good kick [20:53] wallop [20:53] lotec, i know man [20:54] januar 19th seems so far away when you're waiting for internets to be set up [20:54] time is relative [20:54] yeah yeah [20:54] that is a long time though to be without the interwobble [20:55] well i moved into my new house mid november [20:55] i've been waiting a long time [20:55] so what are you using now? [20:55] nix_chix0r: where do you live? [20:55] neighbours wifi? ;P [20:55] Pig_Pen islamibekistan [20:55] noooo [20:56] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:56] dont worry nix_chix0r i do not plan to come visit you [20:56] neighbors wifi? haha i live in the sticks i have no webs there. i'm at my brothers apartment drove 7miles to get my fix [20:56] Pig_Pen, only bomb eh? [20:56] i live in northern minnesota [20:57] whew! i bet its cold up there [20:57] Pig-Pen its all fun and games unitl Jihad turns u into a human bomb [20:57] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) joined ##slackware. [20:57] it's snowing i was wearing shorts;p [20:57] hmm [20:57] thats quite a way to annoy your relatives but i wouldnt mind [20:57] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [20:58] I hate winter without snow. [20:58] i live in southern oklahoma, about 30 miles from the texas border, the high was in the mid 70's F today [20:58] i hate scraping the car off but there you go.. [20:58] the whole things looks so dead.... [20:58] Pig_Pen: thats not winter. [20:58] Pig_Pen: going back to tx soon [20:58] i know, i had the windows up and the fans circulating fresh outside air [20:58] any of you had to fight with insurance companies or know anything about gap insurance for vehicles [20:59] not me [20:59] cant wait to get away from 30 degrees [20:59] been lucky without accidents [20:59] m0nik3r: what part of tx, thats a big state [20:59] austin [20:59] area [20:59] nice place [20:59] yeah ,true about being big geez [20:59] nix_chix0r: slackware support channel is the obvious place to find help about car insurance. [21:00] :) [21:00] i like texas [21:00] p.s. this is austin. [21:00] I like Austin , cant say the same for the rest of Texas [21:00] ? [21:00] the longest drive in texas you can do is drive from texarkana to el paso [21:00] what is it like 24 hrs [21:00] Austin's a cool town. [21:01] yeah [21:01] dama f that [21:01] *damn [21:01] DFW to Lerado is pretty long too [21:02] 1310 mile drive [21:02] Larado not Lerado sorry... [21:02] yeah but you get to see all the cows and stuff for MILES [21:02] Both are very boring [21:03] haha [21:03] Better drink lots of coffee [21:03] takes lots of speed [21:03] Laredo damn [21:03] >adderall [21:03] i used to live in the Midland/Odessa area when i worked on oil drilling rigs [21:03] spelling was never my strong suit [21:04] I spent a little time in ElPaso [21:04] did that pay well Pig_Pen [21:04] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] yes, i was making 12 dollars an hour in the 1980's [21:04] WOW, for TX that was good [21:05] which translates to about $20 today. [21:05] bet you had a nice trailer [21:05] ,jk by the way [21:05] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [21:05] texas is a "right to work" state, lots of job opportunities in texas [21:05] it a love/hate with me and tx [21:06] Pig_Pen: Yes, and it's been like that for many years. [21:06] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-213-61.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] since i lived in oklahoma i made more money in kansas and texas than here in oklahoma, there is money to be made in okla just not as much [21:07] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-161-35.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:08] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:08] Pig_Pen: Ever been to Truner Falls in OK? [21:08] Arbuckle Mountians....? [21:09] yup, that is just a few miles away, my only nephew is related to the indians that donated that land, his last name is Turner [21:09] Wow... [21:09] my little sister is an x wife to a Turner [21:09] Love that place [21:10] Went there for first time back in the mid '70s [21:10] nice swimming spot [21:10] Yep [21:10] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:10] Went there last summer with the family. First time in years. Took lots of Pics. [21:11] very scenic place [21:11] Sure is... [21:11] I found some youtube videos right after I got back. [21:11] The librarian's name is Paige Turner. [21:12] Action: t4k3r0n make idle :) [21:12] I put my pics up on picasaweb and looked at a few videos on youtube [21:12] there are lots of good swimming spots here, the Blue river, i live just a couple of miles north of Birds Mill Spring that feeds that river, that spring water is super cold coming out of the ground even in the hot summer time it is like refrigerated water [21:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:13] Yes, it is fantastic sensation to jump into that cool water in the summer time. [21:13] not in seattle [21:13] still cold ,hahah [21:14] I'm about 2 hours south of there, ... DFW [21:14] But Turner Falls is the only spot I've been to. [21:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:26] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*n=bearpe*@*.115.113.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:26] i would be most astonished if emacs does not have one built in [21:26] really? um, i'll check [21:26] it has pop3, IRC and online psychiatrist... so why not :P [21:27] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@63.135.201.66) joined ##slackware. [21:28] http://w3.pppl.gov/info/intro/Emacs-ftp.html [21:30] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-68-62-246-115.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:31] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [21:31] misspwn_ (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:31] thanks macavity [21:32] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [21:33] Pig_Pen, yo [21:33] hi misspwn_ [21:34] you know anything about gap insurance [21:34] for autos [21:34] gap? [21:34] m0nik3rm0nik3r: apparently you can just search for "How do i use FTP" inside the emacs help system if you want to know the all the gory details [21:34] i just have liability since i paid off my pickup [21:34] yeah gaps in autos are bad [21:34] if you have to question it you're not familiar [21:34] thanks again there macavity [21:35] i dont know a thing about it [21:35] gap insurance is something you can add on when you purchase a vehicle so if your car is totaled your loan is paid off [21:35] misspwn_: are you the other half of mrselfpwn?.. or did something *really* bad happen? :P [21:35] lol i'm nix_chix0r [21:35] having some network problems [21:36] if the vehicle is very expensive then gap might be a good idea [21:36] ok.. i actually like your new nick better [21:36] well i had it on my car [21:36] less pretentious :P [21:36] orhowtospellthat [21:36] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-161-35.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] i have gap coverage on my car [21:36] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] and it got totaled [21:36] and the insurance companies are being slow;p [21:36] how many more years before it is paid off? [21:37] ehhhhh i owe 8grand [21:37] another 3years or so [21:37] let gap pay it off, not everyone is walking around with 8 Gs in their pocket [21:37] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Success [21:37] Al_Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:38] well that's the thing the insurance company said it will cost 6grand to repair the car so i have to figure out what is gona happen [21:38] Al_Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) joined ##slackware. [21:38] they could fix it stamp my title scrapped [21:38] and i'd still have to pay the loan or let gap pay off the car and try to get 5grand out of them that i'vve paid off [21:39] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:40] if they fix it and stamp the title scrap they are suppsoed to write it off and pay out the diff [21:40] it will have a totaled title at that point [21:40] that's what insurance is for [21:40] sounds very unfortunate misspwn_ i hope you get it worked out and get another car to drive [21:40] Um, insurance is primarily for the benefit of the insurors [21:41] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24) left irc: "Leaving" [21:41] roger [21:41] i am glad we just got yet-another round of law ajustments on what they *must* *always* cover in order to use the word "insurance" legaly [21:42] i am pro govt control when it comes to something peeps depend on so heavily [21:42] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [21:43] in the US insurance is just a legalized racket [21:44] Actually an arm of the gov't if you think about it, since you're required to have insurance to drive, and you need to drive if you live in 98% of the USA. [21:44] um, that sounds odd :) [21:44] i got the point [21:44] I mean if you do NOT live in a few large metro areas [21:45] and i would agure that if law requres that you have insurance, then law should also dictate the rules for mandatory polices [21:45] policies [21:45] Insurance co's can require a lot of information from you that the gov't alone cannot. But that info is shared. [21:45] uhm, whats that called in english? the agreement between client and insuror? [21:46] in california oir rates differ even depending on our ZIP code [21:46] policy [21:46] plural? [21:46] yup [21:46] roger [21:48] nullboy: theft insurance here also differs across postal areas [21:49] nullboy: which kind of figures... in my part of town very little goes on, but just 10 clicks from here people have door-chains [21:49] and probably unlicensed 44 magnums :P [21:50] we have licensed guns here! [21:50] we dont.. and i am glad [21:50] about a year ago a lady down the street shot a burger 3 times with a 9mm [21:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [21:50] the burgler cornered her and she pulled out her gun [21:50] nullboy: ham? [21:50] good! hopefully she killed him [21:51] Pig_Pen: didn't kill him. 2 leg shots and a shoulder. the burgler's family sue her...and lost [21:51] there is very very few unregisterd weapons here.. and the penalty of getting cought with one ranges from absurdly long jail time to throwing away the key :P [21:52] .. which is a good thing.. once guns are common they are hard to get rid of [21:52] if i ever catch a burgler in my house i will make sure to kill em, (no repeat offenders that way) [21:52] Pig_Pen: amazingly enough, California law forbids the use of rubber or other non lethal bullets. the law specifically says if you are going to shoot, shoot to kill. [21:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:53] Pig_Pen: just shoot his balls off and call the cops.. that makes sure he wont come back to your house, makes sure he never advances to rape, and makes sure the other inmates have something worthwhile to do while he serves his sentence ;-) [21:53] semi jacketed hollow points [21:53] Action: limac feels very protected with his nerf nite finder! [21:53] aka manstoppers :P [21:53] eww! I smell macavity! [21:54] in a .357 aimed at the center of the chest it is sure to be a fatal shot [21:54] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] still.. if i lived in a rogue area i would rely on a 160lb Rotweiler for protection [21:54] Pig_Pen: i have a .45 and with FMJ it is dangerous as a home defense weapon [21:54] those still "fire" if i am cought off guard :P [21:54] you pretty much MUST use JHP for it will go through the perp and 2 sheet rock walls easy [21:55] for/or [21:55] i would like to get a 45 colt, those are nice pistols, all i have is a revolver [21:55] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [21:55] giuppy (n=giuppy@host139-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:55] this is what i have http://guntalk.dbw.org/images/illustrations/ruger/rugerP345b.jpg [21:56] Pig_Pen: if you have to shoot the fscker more than 6 times to kill him, i dont think an entire clip would have done the trick either :P [21:56] misspwn__ (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:56] misspwn_ (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:56] with a 45 i think one well placed shot should do it [21:56] or 2 semi-placed shots :) [21:56] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "brb" [21:56] absolutely [21:57] 1 shot to center mass. it's over [21:57] Nick change: misspwn__ -> nix_chix0r [21:58] nullboy: that looks like a handy tool.. get full lead caps, drill a 2.5mm hole about 8mm deep, pour a single drop of mercury down the hole and close it with epoxy :P [21:58] i bet if you shot in the shoulder it would swing him around and hit the floor and not get up except to run away [21:58] s/run/zigzag/ [21:59] or slow crawl.. [21:59] i could imagine a shoulder with a bullet hole in it would slow anyone down, they would probably bleed to death in a few minutes [21:59] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.56.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:00] with the recepie above it would probably take the arm off [22:00] even with a 9mm [22:00] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:00] or the very least make it a useless appendage [22:01] mercury tends to kill people eventually anyway.. [22:01] FMJ would zip right on through without even stopping [22:01] yup [22:01] doesnt mercury tipped bullets tend to explode on impact ? [22:02] yup [22:02] from the mercury slamming in to the tip of the bullet [22:02] ive seen a two inch plank get shot with one of those.. the exit hole was nearly as wide as the plank itself [22:03] just think if you used uranium, and sealed the tip with another piece of uranium, make a miniature nuke :D [22:03] nice little ~12mm entry hole though :P [22:03] i think much of it is because the mercury is liquid.. it probably makes the hollow point open quite an amount [22:04] ok so all of a sudden my sound isnt working. my mixers are not finding an audio device. i can see them in /dev. this is retarded [22:04] yeah, and mercury is heavier than lead [22:05] SM177Y: maybe muted? [22:05] no lol [22:05] SM177Y: what is alsamixer saying? [22:05] mixer isnt reading the device [22:05] SM177Y: run alsaconf, also make sure your user account is added to sound & video in /etc/group [22:06] and it was working before SM177Y? [22:06] SM177Y: yeah, something like this happened to me when I did something creepy to the slackware.bmp in /boot. [22:06] its workd fine forever. why would it all of a sudden freak out? lol [22:07] SM177Y: does lspci show your sound card? [22:07] yes [22:07] Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP65 High Definition Audio (rev a1) [22:08] and alsaconf just said its all working. but its obviously not lol [22:08] no other mixer will see the device and i cant even attempt to play music [22:08] maybe your speaker's turned off :P [22:08] j/k [22:09] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:09] lol not at all. i booted win and all is fine [22:10] SM177Y: hmm what does lsmod show? [22:11] i have an intel snd_hda, very similar, i did not like the way alsa runs it, so i put in an old creative labs sound card that uses the old 1371 chip [22:11] never ever had a prob with it until now [22:11] OSS handled it fine even [22:11] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:11] lsmod: snd_hda_intel 372516 0 [22:12] SM177Y: maybe try upgrading alsa version? i dunno. [22:12] lol [22:13] this is completely retarded. has worked just fine. all of a sudden i boot up and no sound. boot into windows and sound is just fine. i dint do anything for the sound to not work. wtf? [22:13] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] maybe rmmod the kernel module and reload it, if it fixes it then stop rc.alsa from loading at boot and add the kernel module name to rc.modules [22:14] SM177Y: /dev/dsp exists? [22:15] crw-rw---- 1 audio 14, 3 2009-01-03 20:59 /dev/dsp [22:15] SM177Y: try killing artsd [22:16] its not running [22:16] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [22:17] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.56.21) joined ##slackware. [22:18] is it possible for Windows to see the memory stick in VirtualBox? [22:18] should be yes [22:18] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [22:18] i knwo KVM can do it [22:18] i am glad someone came in with a computer problem, talking about shooting criminals that break in to your home is just an unpleasent topic of discussion [22:18] when using virtual box, all hardware is emulated [22:18] i'm looking for an option [22:18] unless i misunderstood the question [22:18] KVM can expose usb devices directly to the VM [22:18] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:19] doesn't seem to work, i got seamless mode now, how do you "see" the shared folder? [22:20] SM177Y: are you running Slackware in virtualbox? [22:20] Pig_Pen, good question :) [22:20] Pig_Pen: no lol [22:20] doesnt all those VMs have their own "hardware"? [22:21] well i can speak for KVM and KVM lets you expose certain devices directly to the VM [22:21] ok [22:21] you can do it with PCI and USB devices [22:21] nullboy, dumb question, but what is KVM? [22:21] kernel virtual machine [22:21] i use it work linux and windows guests [22:21] i would think an OS would work inconsistently in any virtual environment, so hardware devices would not always run the greatest [22:21] work/for [22:22] not really [22:22] i use virtual IO and it rocks [22:22] nullboy: whats the state of KVM and 3d accel these days? [22:22] dunno [22:22] my situation now is I can run Windows in seamless mode but don't know how to get the shared folder up and running in Windows and it cannot detect the memory stick either [22:23] i wuz just working with Dominian last night fixing my alsa so it would load my audio levels at bootup. then everything was fine even after like 5 reboots lol. now all of a sudden, woah, no sound. lame [22:23] IntangibleLiquid: for KVM, i create a share with samba and then connect the VM windows to the samba share [22:23] just like a normal windows share [22:24] SM177Y: you could try removing /etc/asound.* [22:24] the problem doesnt lie there i already looked into that [22:24] then you may have hit a bug :-/ [22:26] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:26] lol. a bug that happens outta nowhwere after nothing was wrong the whole time ive had this os and didnt change anything...thats retarded [22:26] Pig_Pen: Oi oi! [22:26] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@63.135.201.66) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:27] hi FriedBob [22:27] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [22:27] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Pig_Pen: I got my logo redid the other day. Not quite what I was going for, but I still like it. I even have a 1000x1000 version. [22:28] SM177Y: got an old audio card you know works good? i have about the same onboard sound and thats what i did [22:28] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] good, i tried working a little on that logo with several different graphics apps and could not do much with it, i guess i am not as great as a graphics editor as i thought i was FriedBob [22:29] i have one that stops any computer its put into from posting lol [22:29] I have dozens of old sound blaster live cards. [22:29] dont hotplug it SM177Y [22:29] that's were good cards thumbs [22:30] those* [22:30] Pig_Pen: lol [22:30] i have one good sound blaster with the 1371 chip on it [22:30] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [22:31] Soul_keeper: yeah. [22:31] Soul_keeper: I have no use for them yet, but you never know [22:31] those on-board crap nowadays can be troublesome [22:32] damn hardware makers, they come out with something good and they got to keep innovating it to death until it is "new & improved!" and doesnt work anymore [22:32] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [22:32] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:33] haha [22:33] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [22:33] Can someone tell me maybe, how do I make konsole stop offering words of wisdom when I open it? [22:34] remove fortune from ~.bashrc ? [22:34] or would that be /etc/motd ? [22:36] chmod -x /etc/profile.d/bsd-games-login-fortune.sh [22:36] Conflict_80: ^^ [22:36] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.56.21) left irc: "Leaving" [22:36] okey [22:36] ty [22:37] np [22:37] look over what else is in there, so you get to learn the sytem [22:37] *system [22:37] slackware is about control.. take it, use it, love it ;-) [22:38] wouldn't make a difference then if i just delete that file, why have it i suppose [22:38] it's not essential, no, Conflict_80 [22:38] it would go away too if you removepkg bsd-games [22:39] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:39] x-Loli (n=ab111128@218.75.17.73) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Conflict_80: do not get in the habit of deleting random files if you don't 'feel' they are necessary. You can break things. [22:39] ahhh... is that all that does? the quote in konsole and at the login? (bsd-games) [22:39] yup [22:40] yeah lol, i am very much not in the habit of randomly deleting things ;) [22:40] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) left irc: "leaving" [22:40] x-Loli (n=ab111128@218.75.17.73) left ##slackware. [22:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Conflict_80: good. [22:41] there are addons to the bsd-games package i seen at freshmeat.net, bart simpson quotes, and some that were dirty [22:42] hahaha [22:42] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.68.171) joined ##slackware. [22:44] Pig_Pen: http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq138/thefriedone/Emblem_v2_small.png and Emblem_v2.png (I can provide an xcf of it as well, if you are interested) [22:44] Conflict_80: the entire point of /etc/profile.d/ is that you deside what is set +x and what is not [22:44] Conflict_80: but leave the individual files to the package manager.. as that is its intended purpose :P [22:44] looking better FriedBob [22:45] Pig_Pen: I need to work on the lighting and the splatter still, but that one is from scratch. I did trace an existing, but otherwise it's all my work. [22:47] some graphic artists do amazing work, ever been to http://www.worth1000.com/ and browsed around? [22:47] No, but I go to deviant art now and then [22:48] how do yo generally go about updating slackware? i have seen an article about a tool called swaret which can apparently be scripted to update when a new version is released, anyone do that? [22:48] i don't update much really [22:48] Swaret will break your machine 9 times out of 10 [22:48] nice [22:49] Read UPGRADE.txt [22:49] Do as it says. [22:49] i usually only update things that need updating when i want to install something and it complains [22:49] If you have ~ on it's own partition, nuke and pave / and /usr and do a clean install [22:49] you need a prescription to purchase diabetic cat food [22:49] nix_chix0r: Yeah. [22:50] i will have to get that from my mom then, i found the cat food cheaper here. she's paying 2quid a can for it [22:50] nix_chix0r: diabetic cat food? That's peculiar. [22:50] Conflict_80: OOC, where did you read about swaret? I hardly ever see it mentioned anymore, especially with slapt-get and slackpkg out there [22:51] he's getting really old, pretty sure he's gona get put down soon but till then thats what the vet wants him on and it has to be the wet kind cause he has no more teeth [22:51] Swaret should be renamed to "Sware at it" [22:51] http://www.linux.com/feature/60326?theme=print from a google search [22:51] SiegeX: older less relevant articles [22:51] nix_chix0r: poor pet [22:52] poor old kitty [22:52] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Conflict_80: that article is severely dated. [22:52] thumbs, yeah he's had a good life so far though [22:52] nix_chix0r: good. [22:52] nix_chix0r: I hope you take good care of him [22:53] Conflict_80: well its a good thing you had the sense to come here to ask first [22:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:53] true, that's why I asked :) [22:53] Conflict_80: 11.0 is *old* [22:53] i was gona suprise her and buy her a case of it since it's cheaper for me to buy and send it over there. but ever site required a prescription =\ [22:54] if you want to semi-automate your upgrade/future installs, stick with slapt-get or slackpkg and you will be fine. Always read UPGRADE.txt when upgrading no matter what tool you choose. [22:54] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121l68.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:54] a prescription for diabetic cat food? thats crazy they should just sell it to you, nobody is going to buy diabetic cat food unless their cat has diabetes [22:54] rofl i know haha [22:54] nix_chix0r: well yes, your cat deserves it. [22:54] it's not like you're gonna ingest it yourself [22:55] silly people [22:55] do tools such as slapt-get work with updating existing packages, for instance, i went to instll a program and it doesn't like my QT version [22:55] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.244) joined ##slackware. [22:55] and a mad scientist cant make dangerous drugs out of diabetic cat food [22:55] Conflict_80: be wary where you get your packages from. [22:55] Conflict_80: slapt-get will update both official and non-official packages, slackpkg will only update official [22:55] my kernel is so old:P [22:55] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.244) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:56] 2.6.21 lawl [22:56] Conflict_80: in particular, do NOT ever get anything from linuxpackages.net [22:56] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.244) joined ##slackware. [22:56] slapt-get is ok, just use it with an official slackware mirror listed at slackware's website [22:56] but as thumbs said, be very carefull where you get your pre-built packages from. Most people here only trust official packages or ones you build from slackbuilds.org [22:57] Or SBO [22:57] Meh [22:57] honestly, i've not really done any updating with slackpkg i've gone directly to the site of whoever makes the pkg and dl'd source there, so used to gentoo, just kinda took on the "you're on your own" method of doing things with slackware [22:57] Misread. [22:58] Conflict_80: you should really read the FAQ on www.slackbuilds.org [22:58] Conflict_80: sbopkg is sorta like the emerge for slackbuilds.org [22:58] Conflict_80, source is the boss :) [22:58] Conflict_80: you can make your own packages from the latest source tarballs [22:58] unfortunately you cant point slapt-get or slackpkg at slackbuilds.org since they dont host actual packages, just the built scripts to create the package [22:59] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:59] but sbopkg will help automate that process, and it actually does a very good job from what ive seen. Even the experimental check for what packages need to be updated were right on. [23:00] indeed [23:00] rofl, i just noticed that the site you said to avoid, linuxpackages.net, is one ifound and bookmarked, thanks for the advice :p [23:01] Conflict_80: we're glad we could warn you in time. [23:01] Interesting. I just manually use slackbuild scripts, I'll have to go check out sbopkg [23:01] Conflict_80: we've see people run their installation with packages from that site [23:02] How can Isee if svga_helper module is loaded? [23:02] jescisp2s: /sbin/lsmod [23:02] jescisp2s, lsmod [23:03] so howe do I load the module? [23:04] jescisp2s: /sbin/modprobe [23:04] s/howe/how [23:04] k, so, is it a good idea then to have ~ on a separate partition and update entirely as newversions are released? assuming the answer is yes :) [23:05] Conflict_80: yes, it's a safe way, and we recommend it. [23:05] Conflict_80: i usually mount /home there.. as opposed to ~ [23:05] he meant /home, obvisouly. [23:05] superGear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] how does that affect non-slack package programs you have installed when you update? shouldn't really affect them? [23:06] it won't touch your custom packages, unless you format / [23:06] you only have dotfiles and user data there (unless you really know what you are doing) [23:07] i missread that.. thumbs said it [23:08] ok, so going with that method it was which directories that you need to clear when you go to reinstall, /usr and ? [23:08] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [23:09] well you don't need to make /usr separate, as both official and custom packages can use it. [23:09] if you install things in /usr/local, however, you can make that a separate partition. [23:10] no, i mean, well, ok, don't need to do anythng really? if i make home separate, then what, just insert new version disk and go for it? don't need to do anything else to prepare for that? [23:10] thats what i do [23:10] no, just make sure to tell the installer not to format your /home partition. Just mount it. [23:10] 10GB / and 90GB /home [23:12] if you stick to two partitions, it's simple enough to remember which one is which. [23:12] there a way to make that change now or no? could i prepare another partition now, give it the /home folder, add new user there, copy what i want from my current user's place in /home, and get to it? [23:12] aye :P [23:12] thumbs: seems find can find svgalib_helper.ko, but not modprobe or svgalib :\ [23:13] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] not sure if i asked that clearly [23:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [23:13] jescisp2s: try modproble svgalib_helper [23:13] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121l68.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Network is unreachable [23:13] jescisp2s: as root.. [23:13] Conflict_80: if you have room, sure, migrate your existing data from /home to it [23:14] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:14] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121up7.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] cool, so if i do that copy my existing home, then just let the installer know that is where /home is when I run it.. [23:15] Conflict_80: yes, and be sure to tell it NOT to format that partition. Tell it to leave the file system alone. [23:15] macavity: I am doing it as root [23:16] jescisp2s: what command are you running, exactly? [23:16] nice, glad I asked these questions, my other plan was to never update the entire distro, lol, avoiding trouble by doing nothing :) [23:17] thumbs: modprobe svgalib_helper and I started trying to run links -g site [23:17] Conflict_80: you should take more, careful, planned chances. [23:17] Conflict_80: ask us first if you're not sure. [23:18] Conflict_80: new releases have updated packages, and security updates. You should update from time to time. [23:19] m0nik3rm0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-2069635b92692bc8) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:19] yeah, figure its time to learn these things, have always run both windows and linux and now I don't want windows around anymore at all, so, time to get more involved [23:19] good move. [23:20] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] people who don't update their distribution might as well be running DVL [23:21] thumbs: when I run links -g 'site' as root, I get "svgalib: Cannot open /dev/svga" [23:21] nullboy: now, there is a case inpoint for production servers [23:21] production servers that have no possibility of users having any sort of network service access? [23:21] jescisp2s: what happens when you run /sbin/modprobe svgalib_helper ? [23:22] nullboy: second case in point: I have a 11.0 server that I CANNOT bring down. [23:22] nullboy: I'll be buying new hardware to replace it, eventually, and the upgrade to a newer release. But it cannot go down. [23:23] so if there is a serious security issue that comes up you can't take it down for an update? [23:23] m0nik3rm0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-580b87e9c398e1a8) joined ##slackware. [23:23] nullboy: hopefully I'll have the new one approved and paid for then, [23:23] is it a life support pump running system? [23:23] Conflict_80: you should make a pot of coffee and have a quick read-through of slackbook.org [23:23] nullboy: no, but I am not allowed to bring it down [23:23] are you allowed to let it get owned? [23:24] Conflict_80: seriously.. even if you just look at over the TOC.. then you will know where to go for "trivial stuff".. and it will easy your transition out of propietary hell quite a bit [23:24] m0nik3rm0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-580b87e9c398e1a8) left irc: Client Quit [23:24] well only ssh is opened to the outside, on a non-standard ports, and ssh keys are required. [23:24] Conflict_80: btw, dont hessitate to ask me.. i do what i can to support the use of Free Software [23:24] nullboy: that makes it out of reach for now [23:24] lol will do, <3 documentation, tried linux from scratch once figuring i may learn something, didnt work, all i learned was that i could follow directions, and that i had never truly understood the meaning of boredom before [23:25] LOL [23:25] ok.. i actually learned a shit load of things with LFS [23:25] it ended up looking so much like slackware that i just went "back home" :P [23:25] i may have learned something at the time, since forgotten though ;) [23:26] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121up7.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:26] my next biggie is CLFS to build a "native i686 slackware".. just for fun [23:26] I get "FATAL: Error inserting svgalib_helper (/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/misc/svgalib_helper.ko): invalid module format" [23:26] m4t (i=intended@66.111.62.170) joined ##slackware. [23:26] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [23:26] nullboy: of course, services like httpd, I am allowed to upgrade. [23:27] phew! [23:27] ;) [23:27] nullboy: but sshd, NIET. They say it cannot go down. I'm not concerned. [23:27] thumbs: I get "FATAL: Error inserting svgalib_helper (/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/misc/svgalib_helper.ko): invalid module format" [23:28] jescisp2s: umm, how did you install that module? [23:29] thumbs: through the setup program on disk one of slack 12.2 [23:29] m0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-63f106da132ef143) joined ##slackware. [23:29] jescisp2s: so the kernel modules on the CD, essentially? [23:29] is there a recommended slack instructions/tutorial about udev? [23:30] thumbs: yeah [23:30] thumbs: how else? [23:30] jescisp2s: I still run 12.1, but I can try to load it here. [23:30] lol you gotta love some of the explanations in the beginning of things like this slackbook.org stuff [23:30] jescisp2s: you could have compiled it by hand, I don't know [23:31] Conflict_80: the slackbook is amazing. [23:31] like "CTRL+ALT+DEL Meaning the user should typ Ctrl, Alt, and Del key at the same time." if you need that explained, stop reading right there... [23:31] Action: foureyes779 hugs his Slackbook [23:31] thumbs: true, but seup said it was require for svgalib to work. *shrugs* [23:32] jescisp2s: I've never had to use it. Just a moment. [23:32] this is good too http://www.slackbasics.org/ [23:32] s/seup/setup [23:32] Conflict_80: slackware assumes that its users are self-sufficient. [23:33] thumbs: like me ;) [23:34] I'm self-sufficiant enough to know where to get the answers if I don't know it. ;) [23:34] jescisp2s: no, you're right to ask. I've never resolved this error, so I'll try to replicate it on 12.1. [23:34] i have over 200 CD/DVD medias that i have no idea of their contents [23:35] nullboy: only 200? [23:35] do you guys know the layout of the .isos? [23:35] m4t: quite a bit, yes. [23:35] i decided to go with it basically for that reason, i liked the idea that it seemed a lot less "automated" than the other common distributions out there [23:35] does d1 have everything for a basic non-x install? [23:35] m4t: http://slackware.com/torrents/ [23:35] i cant find the pkg listings [23:35] m4t: yes, you can get away with cd1. [23:35] m4t: disk 1 will get you a fully functional network server minus X and KDE [23:36] luism (n=luissmm@host117.190-30-83.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:36] luism (n=luissmm@host117.190-30-83.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:36] m4t: http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/PACKAGES.TXT [23:36] m4t: http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/FILE_LIST [23:36] thumbs yeah [23:37] but it doesnt say what pkgs are on what cd [23:37] thums: thanks [23:37] i just pasted a page the does [23:37] really [23:37] ... [23:37] night folks [23:37] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121c91.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:37] the torrents page shows the category break down [23:37] night and thx [23:37] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the fish!" [23:38] :)~ [23:38] ... [23:38] oh yeah thats the one thing i didnt check was the torrents [23:38] thx dood [23:39] superGear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:39] i found my walnut creek 7.1 cds [23:39] the other day [23:39] kernel 2.2 [23:39] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] not too long ago, slackware still had 2.2 by default. [23:41] i think it was nov '99 [23:41] thumbs: 2.4 [23:41] foldingstock: no, go further back. [23:41] is walnut creek still around [23:41] thumbs: 2.4 was used 6 years ago or so [23:41] 2.2 hasn't been used in a good while [23:41] no, ftp.cdrom.com is down. [23:42] foldingstock: so look before that. [23:42] oh its freebsdmallnow [23:42] right [23:42] hah [23:42] foldingstock: I was running 2.2 on a slackware router. You can guess the release number. [23:42] but you said not too long ago ;) [23:42] foldingstock: 8 years is not so long ago for me. [23:42] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy78.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:42] oki [23:44] where can i see all the "BUS" "SYSFS" tags for a device and so forth? [23:44] so i can make some udev rules ? [23:44] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.38.198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:45] 2.2 brings back ipchains memories [23:45] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.205.55) joined ##slackware. [23:45] SiegeX: I still have the firewall/router script I used back then [23:46] Bugz__ (n=Bugz@75.42.91.230) joined ##slackware. [23:46] fhobia: example: udevadm info --attribute-walk --path=/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2.3.1 [23:46] Id stab my eye out if i had to manage a firewall without connection tracking [23:46] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:46] SiegeX: it was the best back then. (I never went with fBSD) [23:46] fhobia: or: udevadm info --query=all --path=/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2.3.1 [23:47] nullboy: thanks :-) [23:47] ya, nothing you could do about it back then, not sure if 'pf' had connection tracking at that point either [23:47] maybe so [23:47] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-91-230.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] perhaps. I liked slackware better. [23:51] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-40-150.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:53] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:54] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) joined ##slackware. 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