[00:00] campassi: -current has been in a very good shape for me lately [00:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-11-236.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [00:01] campassi: i dont ever officially advice people to use RCs or -current for "production", but if it is your home bucket, and you know not to complain if something isnt perfect, id say give it a good whack and repport anything you find broken to Patrick, so 13.0 gets perfect [00:02] hmm... may do mecavity [00:05] too bad 2.6.30 won't be included [00:05] can't complain though [00:06] sup all [00:06] hey for some reason i cant go full screen on youtube anymore [00:06] it crashes firefox every time [00:06] known issue, disable flash hardware accel [00:07] how? [00:07] right click a flash video and choose settings [00:07] k im gana try it [00:07] if this works ur the man [00:08] :D sweet [00:08] When I say known issue, I mean known issue with flash. It is not an issue specific to Slackware. [00:08] <3 [00:09] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:10] raela (n=raela@cpe-098-025-047-136.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "bedtime, night night" [00:10] fp_ (n=chatzill@76.201.157.176) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]" [00:13] antler, all is well now... thanks [00:14] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-23-208.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:14] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.8.255) left irc: "leaving" [00:15] Dopppp (n=aassdf@c-67-171-96-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Dopppp (n=aassdf@c-67-171-96-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:15] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.8.255) joined ##slackware. [00:15] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] noobfarm rocks [00:18] heh [00:20] gtl: no prob [00:20] antler: how's it going? [00:21] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-129.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:22] f|r3b|rd: very well :) how are you? [00:22] doing excellent, thanks. :) [00:25] f|r3b|rd: how are you doing? I like the new nick:) [00:25] hitest: I'm doing excellent, thanks. how are you? :) [00:26] yeesh [00:27] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [00:28] f|r3b|rd: I am well, ty:) [00:29] I hate the days when you get hardly any sleep and when you try to sleep you can't [00:29] juice, ? [00:29] i slept 4 hours today and feel tired but can't sleep [00:29] may i troubleshoot your insomnia? [00:30] i worked over night 11pm-7:30am then stayted up til 12pm slept til 3:30 pm and been up since [00:30] roating work schedule [00:30] s/roating/rotating [00:31] fuck! im not tired and i need to go to sleep [00:31] lol [00:32] i so tired I can't sleep if you know the feeling [00:32] juice: I know what you mean. I'm off from work now, but, my sleep patterns are messed up....still waking up in the middle of the night...tired during the day..this will get better when I rest up. [00:32] juice, caffeine? [00:33] is dtanner around? [00:33] i've been not drinking pop for the past month [00:33] no, we buried him :P [00:33] i used to drink several cups/bottles/cans per day [00:33] gtl: haven't seen him recently [00:33] underneath a pile of printed manuals [00:33] I used to drink at least 3-4 20oz bottles of mountain dew per day [00:34] over the past 7 years [00:34] eww.. mountain dew tastes like gym socks... [00:34] haha [00:34] I'll take your word on that macavity:) [00:34] i dont drink soda [00:35] i do, but im too broke to buy it lol [00:35] now gemme a giant mug of tar black coffee... that's something :P [00:35] yeah [00:35] i gotta drive 400 miles in 4.5 hours [00:35] yup [00:35] Lexus (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:35] Action: f|r3b|rd hands macavity a giant mug of tar black coffee. :) [00:35] Cann0n: wow... [00:35] f|r3b|rd: thx mate :-) [00:36] yw :) [00:36] Cann0n: that sounds like something that's going to burn a shit load of gasoline [00:36] macavity: nah, he'll drive a prius. :P [00:36] macavity: im not paying for it lol [00:36] Lexus (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [00:36] f|r3b|rd: then he will get about 40 miles in 4.5 hours :P [00:36] my baby wants me to meet her dad for 4th of july weekend [00:37] lol [00:37] i drive a new beetle [00:37] macavity: haha, and he can signal for help with the horn "meep meep" :) [00:37] juice, there's part of your problem, you drink caffeine to stay awake but then when you want to go to sleep it's still flowing in your veins [00:37] Cann0n: 1.8L ? [00:37] when changing schedules, if you can, go without caffeine [00:37] TwinReverb, I haven't had caffeine much i nthe past month [00:37] but no that wasn't the problem [00:37] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [00:38] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [00:38] i could drink 3 red bulls and go to sleep no problem [00:38] "haven't had much" != "haven't had any" [00:38] caffeine didn't keep me up [00:38] you can think you go to sleep without a problem but it does affect you [00:38] this is medical truth [00:38] so my page went from taking 8 seconds to load to 50 milliseconds. [00:38] i have a rule about coffee: 5h before bedtime == stop drinking coffee [00:39] lol [00:39] thumbs: wow, that is something [00:39] yeah, I made some big sql changes. [00:39] thumbs: could you be assed to do the same kind of optimization to gcc pls, kkthxbai! [00:39] heh [00:40] asked, not assed, not axed [00:40] hello happy people [00:40] TwinReverb: that depends on who is asking, and who is being asked :P [00:41] brklynRednek: we are not happy! And if you think about it, neither should you be! [00:41] brklynRednek: happyness leads to wrecklessness! [00:41] steiger_ (n=steiger@189.105.206.109) joined ##slackware. [00:41] macavity, up yours, i'll smile if i want to [00:41] :P [00:41] you'll smile while shoving happy sticks up macavity's ass [00:42] noes [00:42] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "and so the fun begins. or is it the sleep that will begin first" [00:42] ze brown sticks are supposed to come *out* of said ass [00:42] antiwire, i'll smile while tying him to a chair, dousing him with kerosene, and dropping a lit zippo [00:42] antiwire, i take that back, i'll laugh and wear my clown nose if i were to do that [00:43] brklynRednek: erhm, i can haz touluene instead? kerosene offends my delicate nose [00:43] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:43] macavity, it'd be your last 2 minutes of life, let your nose get offended [00:43] i am fireproof [00:44] mmmmmm.... kerosene smells gooood [00:44] also known as "the teflon cat" :P [00:44] morning [00:44] macavity, then you'd melt in the inferno [00:44] slacKManic (i=skacKMan@201-92-72-118.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:44] teflon doesn't burn easily, but it DOES melt [00:44] y0 tewmten [00:45] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [00:45] macavity, lol [00:45] Action: tewmten sips coffee and smokes a cigarette [00:45] oda: you forgot y somewhere down the line :P [00:45] my first day as boss of operations [00:45] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.122.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:45] slackware64 is rocking and rolling! [00:45] tewmten: :O, you're the boss now? [00:45] ok, i am being a corny dumbfsck right now, so i should probably just go to bed [00:46] f|r3b|rd: yeah my boss is AFK a couple of weeks on vacation [00:46] lol [00:46] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: "Leaving" [00:46] tewmten: have you fired anyone yet? [00:46] macavity: i intend to [00:46] tewmten has been made Captain. [00:46] nice! [00:46] its friday ;) [00:46] He's not a Don yet though, but that is next. [00:46] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:46] tewmten: a particular stupid windows user who can be replaced by a small shell script? [00:46] ph33r that day [00:46] captain? I think it's "capo" [00:47] macavity: like our windows sysadmin? :D [00:47] tewmten: now that sounds like an *excelent* starting point [00:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] tewmten: id say, 150 lines of bash specific shell scripting, and the boss wont even notice when he comes back :P [00:48] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:48] :D [00:48] macavity: He'll notice, one less check he has to pay out. :) [00:48] while true ; do bsod() ; done [00:49] i had a friend over there for an interview a few days ago [00:49] I like the perl version: bsod while 1; [00:49] my boss was impressed by him, but we cant afford hiring him because they would have to give him higher salary than my boss [00:49] or: 1 while bsod; [00:49] haha [00:49] f|r3b|rd: now, being the Napoleon of crime and all that, i shall remind you to re-think that statement :P [00:49] f|r3b|rd: ... who says there will be one less check to pay out, again? ;-) [00:50] macavity: eh, it's 23:48, can that be postponed until tomorrow? [00:50] i just change the bank account number in the HR records [00:50] ;D [00:51] f|r3b|rd: a) windows luser gone b) functionality still there c) boss should not notice == change database so tewmten gets two checks :P [00:51] macavity: Ahh, good plan. [00:51] yeah well before our windows admin started i was doing that also [00:51] tewmten: get to work man, make it happen Captain. :) [00:51] tewmten: you mean that your shell script got replaced by wet ware?!? [00:52] after a year working with two, both incompetent, windows admins.. yes i know some windows AD stuff now also [00:52] wet ware? [00:52] "mushy brains" [00:52] lol [00:52] ah, if you know AD, i will pester you when samba4 gets released [00:53] ah [00:53] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [00:53] :) [00:53] meep! [00:54] beep [00:54] i probably wont be on for a few weeks after tonight [00:54] lol you know how that goes [00:54] if i could, i'd be in here 24/7 [00:54] Cann0n: so, what will be different from you're irc schedule now? :P [00:54] lol i know i hate it [00:54] i used to be in here all the time [00:54] me too [00:55] now it's only when i have internet access :( [00:55] hehe [00:56] yesterday management of our company decided we would start being more restrictive about users access to our systems [00:56] which im all for [00:56] i mean, i am still root [00:56] tewmten: so they had you remove all the keyboards and mice from the windows machines? [00:56] so i dont mind revoking user access [00:56] Urchlay: and internet access [00:56] :) [00:57] logically it would be easier to remove the box [00:57] easier just to remove the user [00:57] mouse + keyboard + internet == 3 things to remove [00:57] mamzer (n=mamzer@pool-173-77-37-195.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] "terminate user access..? i thought you meant terminate user.. i will just do that instead anyway [00:58] " [00:58] oh well.. i go now [00:58] Channel flood from tewmten -- kicking [00:58] later [00:58] tewmten kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:58] lol [00:58] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [00:58] lol [00:58] hi again [00:58] bbl [00:58] tewmten: you left :P [00:58] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [01:01] in hosts.deny, is there a difference between "ALL : ALL" and "ALL:All"? [01:04] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] my uneducated guess is no [01:06] and according to The Principle of Least Astonishment, there souldnt be! :P [01:07] ok. if you were trying to confuse me, then it worked :P [01:07] but ok, no difference [01:07] i dont know.. i *guess* not [01:11] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] heh if i overcame my laziness, i would see for myself. [01:12] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.30.1 [01:15] macavity: I'm astonished whenever I see something that follows the Principle of Least Astonishment :) [01:16] and also http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.29.6 [01:16] hmm HMM [01:18] how do i query the portmapper to determine the services it's providing, if any? [01:18] probably "rpcinfo" [01:18] how long would it take for someone to walk 100 miless? [01:19] s/miless/miles [01:19] Cann0n: supposedly the average walking speed is 4 miles/hr [01:19] Urchlay: ok, i just want to utilize excessive violence when ever i see something that does not :P [01:19] Urchlay: yeah, i just read "rpcinfo quota" before i asked. in slackware, "rpcinfo quota" doesn't seem to work [01:19] but nobody really walks for 25 hours straight without sleeping/eating or at least taking a break [01:20] yeah. so about 3 days? [01:20] eh, if you're in good shape and you're on a well-maintained road [01:20] and have good shoes, etc. [01:20] Urchlay: ok, nm. rpcinfo -p is what i want [01:21] antler: I just discovered I have no man page for rpcinfo :) [01:21] heh no entry here, either [01:22] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:22] i've gps'd myself walking and my speed is anywhere between 3-6mph [01:23] Cann0n, depends on speed [01:23] Cann0n: if you're not used to walking all day every day, better plan on it taking twice as long or longer [01:23] Cann0n, on a tread mill, 3 mph is a leisurely walk, 3.5 is a power walk [01:23] hmm, so my 4mph number was wrong to start with [01:23] so using your speed = distance / time formula .... [01:23] mamzer (n=mamzer@pool-173-77-37-195.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:24] I pulled it out of the black hole my brain has instead of memory [01:29] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.8.255) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:29] night all:) [01:29] nite hitest [01:30] nite macavity:) [01:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:30] lol [01:30] 3-6 mph for walkign is a HUGE difference. [01:31] 6 mph is funnnnnnny looking [01:31] your 6 mph must be when you're tumbling down a hill ;) [01:31] aye [01:31] I said 4, and was guessing [01:31] i walk and hike around the city [01:31] Action: jeev scratches his penis [01:32] which means up and downhills and largely varying paces [01:32] running at 6mph is about the speed i can keep up if i have to run for, say, 40 minutes [01:32] down hills* [01:32] possibly 4mph came from some book about the romans or spartans or something, maybe their army marched that fast when they were in a hurry [01:32] lol [01:32] i skated 26 miles in less than 5 hours [01:33] skate?!?!?!?! [01:33] 4mph is brisk, but not tough [01:33] board, blades, or ice-skating on a frozen river? :) [01:34] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] antiwire: ah, i just found out why the whole ALL:ALL was so confooozing [01:35] antiwire: there is a huge freaking difference between hosts_access(3) and hosts_access(5) :P [01:35] its the later that you want [01:36] Urchlay, he is refering to skates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skate), he held some down for five hours while traveling 26 miles, and i consider that to be a difficult task...how do you do it? like making sure you can breath without letting go? they don't stay close to the surface [01:36] and without getting stung too [01:36] heh [01:37] that description reminds me of the monty python "beware of llamas" speech [01:37] lol [01:37] well fellas, i will return again some day [01:38] f|r3b|rd: later [01:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:41] Cann0n (i=045b63a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-c55710fa18ed96bb) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [01:41] macavity: i'm not the droid you're looking for [01:41] haha. youtube has it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbwkkXGmFrI [01:42] Urchlay, yea, i just finished watching it [01:42] macavity, ohh, i'm a droid! 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[01:49] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:49] TwinReverb: haha nevermind [01:54] user8902 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-51-28.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:54] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:57] night all [01:57] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [02:01] /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/exports are modified, portmap is installed and the daemons are running. rcpinfo -p shows portmapper, mountd, etc... rcpinfo -p [server address] on the client shows something similar, if not identical. "mount serveraddress:/files /mylocation" gives me: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '192.168.0.100:/mnt/1TB' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered. why? [02:02] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [02:04] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:04] i first thought it was the client not being able to see the share, but rpcinfo -p 192.168.0.100 is listing the relevant info, which tells me the client *should* see it [02:05] hoho (n=email@190.166.137.43) joined ##slackware. [02:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] so i have this via c7 powered barebone pc, on which i'm trying to setup slackware. when it starts booting the kernel, it freezes dead. tried with systemrescuecd, no luck. memtest is clean. windows works on it (was installed previously). any suggestions? [02:08] "Now booting the kernel......" and dies with no further output? [02:08] exactly. [02:09] hm. Last time I dealt with that, it was a kernel built for pentium and up, trying to boot on a 486 [02:09] doubt that's the issue here (especially not if you're booting a slackware CD) [02:10] Urchlay, i just had that in a VM, i forgot to run lilo after upgrading the kernel [02:10] tried with huge.s instead of hugesmp, same. [02:10] lilo pointed to the wrong file or something like that [02:10] slava_dp: tried noacpi and such? [02:10] hi [02:10] Urchlay, where is the kernel stored? [02:10] Urchlay, will do now. [02:10] edman007: what, on the boot CD? [02:10] ohh..this is booting off the CD? [02:11] edman007, yep. [02:11] how much ram does this computer have? [02:11] 1 gig. [02:11] slava_dp, is the CD from slackware-12.2-iso/ or did you make it yourself? [02:11] and are you sure the CD is good? [02:12] edman007, as i pointed up earlier, this happens with any linux cd i'm trying to boot. so -- not media-related. [02:14] slava_dp: hm, the 2.6 kernel has "Via C7" as a compile target, I wonder if you need a weirdly-compiled kernel just to boot? [02:14] did you update the BIOS? [02:15] and then start screwing with the settings, there may be compatibility things in it... [02:15] edman007, eh, no, i did not. will look into that, thanks for the suggestion. [02:17] Action: TwinReverb stabs the makers of k3b [02:17] TwinReverb, why, use 1.0.5, it works. [02:17] it errors because it claims there will be more than 50% wasted space on the burn media but there's no option i can find to disable that silliness [02:17] slava_dp, also, check the jumpers on the CD drive, they should be set to CS/Cable Select [02:18] i had a mac and that failed to boot if the CD jumper was set wrong [02:18] or is this an sata CD drive? [02:19] edman007, ide dvd-rom connected via and ide to usb adapter. [02:19] s/and/an/ [02:20] ohhh..... [02:20] that will do it [02:20] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [02:20] i think... [02:20] hrrr, really? when it's printing that row of dots, [02:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:20] LILO is reading the disk, but it's doing so through 16-bit BIOS calls [02:20] try the usb thumb drive image, with a thumb drive [02:20] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-17-27.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:21] (errr, but the boot CD uses syslinux, not LILO, I assume it's the same deal) [02:21] it's not lilo, it's syslinux there. [02:21] right. I just remembered that little fact... [02:21] Urchlay, well the issue with USB is in early boot its not always available, unlike IDE/SATA/firewire, USB will go down in early boot (thats why your mouse flashes), and that causes all kinds of problems [02:21] does it print a lot of dots, or just a couple? [02:21] Action: slava_dp uses syslinux to 10-boot his usb thumbdrive :-) [02:22] Urchlay, like two dozen dots [02:22] not sure how many is normal, but IIRC they take up more than one 80-column line (but less than two) [02:22] slava_dp, after the dots start printing, do you ever see the mouse turn off? [02:23] if the USB is going down that will cause it... [02:23] steiger_ (n=steiger@189.105.206.109) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:23] heh, /me uses a "mouse" that's a ps/2 trakball with no lights on it :) [02:26] lol [02:26] my keyboard and mouse lights up [02:26] I want googol_0^googol_1^...^googol_googol yottabytes of RAM [02:26] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) joined ##slackware. [02:26] but the optical part of my mouse is infrared, lol [02:26] hm, i've tried mount.nfs 192.168.0.100:/file /mount (and mount.nfs4), and both give me that same rpc error. [02:26] dchmelik, use /dev/null [02:27] it can store all your stuff [02:27] dchmelik, will run the shell on it? :-) [02:27] slava_dp: I do not know. [02:27] dchmelik, it will even xor the data you put in with itself, so when you need to read your data base it can be read from the encrypted device /dev/zero [02:27] is there another way to mount an nfs share? [02:28] edman007: I am not sending my data to the big bit bucket in the sky [02:28] goin on up to the spirit in the sky. that's where i'm gonna go when i die [02:29] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:29] dchmelik, but it encryptes it! [02:29] irreversibly lol [02:30] antler, /etc/rc.d/rc.portmap start before mounting nfs [02:30] edman007: actually I don't even have lights on this keyboard (it's a "model M space saver", no numeric keypad, no lights, proper buckling springs though) [02:30] slava_dp, nonsense, you just xor it with the data, and you get your data [02:31] Urchlay, my whole keyboard lights up [02:31] yuck [02:31] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:31] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.44) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:31] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-189.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] the numlock/scrolllock/power lights I could tolerate, but having much more than that would be too bright to have in the bottom of my field of vision [02:32] edman007: i have /sbin/rpc.portmap , but don't have /etc/rc.d/rc.portmap [02:32] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.44) joined ##slackware. [02:32] especially if it's those annoying blue LEDs [02:32] rc.rpc [02:32] antler, might be rc.rpc [02:32] i have portmap though [02:33] probably it changed between 12.2 and -current [02:33] Urchlay, is model M anything special? [02:33] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) left irc: "leaving" [02:33] slava_dp: it's the one true keyboard, made by IBM from about 1989 to 1996 or so [02:34] slava_dp, that is the loud one from the 80s [02:34] slava_dp: the "clicky" kind, you probably see them in movies/TV [02:34] edman007: ah, mine's rc.rpc. ok i started that. same thing--can't moun t [02:34] Urchlay, uh huh :) but i prefer the silent type :) [02:34] hm, apparently they were made starting in 1984, I doubt I have any that old [02:35] my laptop keys make almost no sound and i love it [02:35] slava_dp: I prefer the noise, it lets me know I've hit the key properly, plus I just think it sounds cool :) [02:35] never used a laptop whose keyboard didn't suck... some are worse than others though [02:36] Urchlay, i can tell with the membranes [02:36] they have a non-linear response, so its easy [02:36] Urchlay, well if you're a fan of high-profile keyboards, the laptop ones are not for you. [02:36] bleah, I really need to fix the damn space bar on this thing, it's the only thing still affected by the coffee spill last year [02:37] Urchlay: that one of the model M's you spilt coffee on? :) [02:37] slava_dp: I've used a cheap laptop where I was typing fast, somehow got my finger under a key, and it flew off the keyboard [02:37] f|r3b|rd: eh, well, these things happen... [02:38] Urchlay: yeah, they sure do. :) [02:38] Urchlay, *under a key* ? woohoo [02:38] a model M is worth fixing, if you spill your drink in it (most cheap keyboards you're better off getting another) [02:39] slava_dp: yeah, like I hit a key and my finger slid to the right a little, so part of my fingertip was under the next key (that I wasn't pressing) [02:39] Urchlay: yeah, a model M is most definitely worth fixing. [02:39] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-129.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] Action: fred wants a model M-15 :( [02:39] slava_dp: I type fast and pound the hell out of the keys compared to most people (doesn't seem that way to me, but that's what other people tell me) [02:40] fred: M-15 is which, white one with nipple-joystick-mouse-thing? [02:40] http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/344109795_a2c602aadc.jpg [02:40] No :p [02:40] or is the M-15 the black one? (I have a few of those) [02:40] oh. Ugh. [02:40] Urchlay, i type quiickly too, but do not put too much pressure on the keys. i like it soft :) [02:41] stupid windows admin [02:41] why doesnt he go and die [02:41] fred, you are awake!!! [02:41] i need xorg 1.6 [02:41] fred: whoa, that's an interesting keyboard. [02:41] what is it, like for two people or what =) [02:41] slava_dp: I don't seem to be able to type quickly but softly [02:41] slava_dp: for two-player games :) [02:41] so the dhcp server doesnt add a hostname in the dns zone automaticly, so it cant resolve my pc, thus i cant join the domain [02:41] and he is all like "must be something wrong with your linux" [02:42] slava_dp: or for people with multiple personality disorder :) [02:42] I followed the clickykeyboards.com instructions for cleaning a model M but it did not work afterwards... [02:42] oh yes of course, because the fact that the dhcp and dns service is hosted on his windows server has nothing to do with it not working, its all my linux client's fault [02:42] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.188) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:42] The monitor in that pic from fred is a Samsung (I'm pretty sure) [02:42] dchmelik: you did something wrong, those instructions match what I've done to clean mine [02:43] maybe I was not grounded enough and touched something [02:43] dchmelik: old electronics like that are *much* less sensitive to static discharge (not saying it can't happen ever, but it never does happen to me in practice) [02:44] I will try it again then on a couple or three others I have [02:44] if the "brain" is dead, you could find another M that's missing some keys and swap it [02:44] slava_dp: ergonomic keyboard :) [02:44] Action: fred currently has an MS NEK 4000 [02:44] fred: for some definition of "ergonomic" :) [02:44] nice, but prefer the model-M action [02:45] those old keyboards (model M specifically) are like old cars, but tough and last long, the new stuff is just cheap plastic crap. :P [02:45] s/but/built/ [02:45] when you type on one of those split keyboards, do you end up cocking your wrists at an unnatural angle? [02:45] Urchlay: My definition is "since starting using it, I have tendon issues which require me to have my arm in a sling much less often" :p [02:46] nice ones can angle downwards instead of upwards [02:46] fred: I have an M$ Wireless Comfort 4000 with the Comfort Curve. :) [02:46] if you've got a sufficiently high chair, it's more comfortable than a normal flat one [02:46] fred: whatever works. I've been lucky I suppose, have had minor issues with wrist pain in the past, but it was due to a cyst impacting the tendons. [02:46] I would never call a keyboard>101 keys nice.... [02:46] eventually the cyst just went away on its own [02:46] f|r3b|rd: not split enough, and doesn't go up at the front :p [02:47] fred: you mean that instead of the legs at the back of the keyboard to angle up, it has feet or some such in the front to angle it down? [02:47] fred: yeah, I know what you mean. :) [02:47] hoho (n=email@190.166.137.43) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:47] it's got both, I just dont' use the ones at the back :p [02:47] ah, ok, I've seen some of them before. [02:47] they look nice, but aren't that cheap. (at least not for me) :) [02:47] fred: you mean your keyboard's actually tilted so the space bar is higher off the table than the F-keys? [02:48] yup [02:48] I've tried to use a keyboard like that (the table was sagging in the middle, it wasn't made that way), it was impossible [02:48] had to put paperback book under the back, to get it tilted normally [02:48] f|r3b|rd: ~ $30 [02:49] fred: to me, that's spendy for a keyboard. :) [02:49] how can the spacebar be getting *worse* over time? wet coffee from a year ago shouldn't get more conductive... hm. [02:49] not as spendy as anti-inflamation meds and time off work :p [02:50] fred: true. [02:50] $30 isn't too much for a keyboard, if it's one you really like and won't have to replace for a long time [02:50] Urchlay: one of my friends gets a new one of those every month :| [02:51] they work fine for years, he just likes the "new" feel too much [02:51] $30/month for keyboards seems excessive [02:51] agreed [02:51] does he hook you up with the "old" ones? [02:51] No, I'm still using a ~ 2 year old one [02:52] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [02:52] okIjustremovedmyspacebar,damnit'sfilthyunderthere [02:53] let's see if that helped (compressed air) [02:54] testing testing testing testing look, ma, only one space between each pair of words, yay [02:54] baccardi (n=nera@88.119.189.51) joined ##slackware. [02:54] baccardi (n=nera@88.119.189.51) left ##slackware. [02:55] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.73.67) joined ##slackware. [02:56] vadim (n=Vadim@212.248.18.162) joined ##slackware. [02:56] setting up nfs server and client shouldn't be this hard, should it? [02:57] no [02:57] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [02:57] I mean I have no idea what you're finding difficult... [02:57] i keep getting 'rpc error: program not registered' when i try to mount [02:58] this probably means the client is not seeing the share [02:58] antler, `ps -ef|grep rpc` should give you a few processes, right? [02:58] did you run rc.rpc start on both the client and the server? [02:59] edman007: yeah [02:59] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:59] rc.rpc is also called portmap, yeah? [02:59] rc.portmap [02:59] depends on your slack version IIRC [02:59] k, the client is not slackware [03:00] the server is [03:00] the client needs to have its portmap binary running (which can be called either rpc.portmap or just portmap) [03:00] yeah, it's running on the client [03:00] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:01] see if the server can mount localhost:/path/to/share [03:01] ehhh, you did add the client, or its subnet, in /etc/exports? [03:01] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:02] Urchlay: that file is already mounted [03:02] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] i'll just umount it and try [03:02] and if so, did you run "exportfs -a" on the server after editing its /etc/exports? [03:02] (or else "/etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd restart", should have the same effect) [03:03] also it could be something retardulous like the client defaulting to using TCP (traditionally NFS uses UDP, and it still does by default on slackware AFAIK) [03:04] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [03:04] when in doubt, tcpdump it [03:04] Urchlay: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting localhost:/mnt/1TB [03:04] that sounds like an /etc/exports problem [03:05] localhost would have to be listed there, for that share [03:05] /mnt/1TB 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 <--- like that [03:06] uva (i=bno@118-160-164-238.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:06] Urchlay, that looks like you are pretty selfish... [03:07] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Urchlay: mount seems to have worked, but /mount-point is empty [03:10] *seems to be working, but .... [03:10] and i ran exportfs -a after i added the localhost and subnet [03:11] edman007: what does? [03:11] 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 means only you can mount it, its a network FS and you are saying it can't go over the network... [03:11] eh, it was an example [03:12] for testing purposes (since he's trying to debug right now) [03:13] seems to ahve mounted, but ls says the dir is empty [03:14] maybe its you that's empty! [03:14] what does "mount" with no args show? [03:14] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [03:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [03:14] also "showmount" might tell you something [03:14] Urchlay: regular mount just attaches the file to the path specified in fstab [03:15] is that what you mean? [03:15] yeah [03:15] is it mounted r/w? if so, try creating a file in the mountpoint dir [03:15] (doubt it'll work) [03:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] fred: I just stuck a couple foam pieces under the front of my keyboard. If my chair was higher, I can easily see how that's more comfortable. [03:16] Urchlay: in the server, it's rw, but for the client it's ro, specified in exports [03:16] ah [03:17] well maybe localhost mounts don't work in modern kernels, I haven't tried it since slackware 10.2 or earlier [03:17] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:17] tried restarting the services in both client and server, but same annoying message [03:18] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) joined ##slackware. [03:19] I don't suppose you own two slackware machines? could try & see if you can get NFS working between them, and if so, the problem is definitely on the non-slackware client and not the server [03:19] hm, i haven't included the subnet for the client in /etc/exports [03:19] (NFS is supposed to be standard though, all distros should play nice with each other) [03:20] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [03:20] I mean I've used it with a linux server and openbsd client, and with a solaris server and linux client, etc [03:20] no, i have two, but only one is slackware atm [03:21] if you didn't specify the subnet, the default is a single host IIRC (might not want to trust my unreliable memory on that though) [03:22] well including the subnet didn't do anything apparent [03:23] /mnt/1TB 192.168.0.101/255.255.255.255(ro) [03:23] /mnt/1T 192.168.0.101/255.255.255.255(ro) [03:23] BP{k}: Its too bad you don't live here in mormon ville.... Wait.. not it's not. It's too bad i'm not your neighbor, because i think this stout i'm brewing up is going to be really good!. [03:23] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-164-238.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] that looks fine (though it seems weird to me to have both /mnt/1TB and /mnt/1T) [03:23] y0 agentc0re1, how's it going? [03:23] f|r3b|rd: Whoa.. that's one way to spell firebird. [03:24] agentc0re1: you like it? [03:24] Urchlay: wouldn't it make a difference if /mnt/1T/ and /mnt/1TB/ are diffent fs's? [03:24] f!r3b!r6 [03:24] agentc0re1: don't let your neighbors find out, you might wake up to a bunch of peasants with torches & pitchforks tomorrow night [03:25] Urchlay: heheh. [03:25] oh nm [03:25] agentc0re1: haha, don't give me any more ideas. I don't have any more accounts to group to. Also, I discovered, that freenode gives you just 2 registered nicks per e-mail address. [03:26] LOL [03:26] antler: it won't matter. It would only matter if you specified /mnt (from what I remember, that wouldn't export 1T and 1TB, since they're not on the same fs as /mnt) [03:26] unregister the other ones. [03:26] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [03:26] agentc0re1: I was just fire|bird earlier today, then C_Tux suggested this one I have now. [03:26] a single NFS share can't span filesystems, because NFS needs inode numbers to be unique throughout an entire share, I think is the reason for that [03:27] agentc0re1: I can't, I got these ones I'm using now grouped. You can only group one nick to a nick. [03:27] but that doesn't apply to your situation right now [03:28] f|r3b|rd: Drop the nicks, that's what i am saying. I don't know how to do it but i'm sure if you were to contact staff and say... I can't figure out a good handle, please delete my previous stupid attempts... They might understand. :D :P [03:28] f|r3b|rd: you're lucky irssi is completing "f" to f|r3b|rd, I'd never bother to actually type your current nick :) [03:28] agentc0re1: haha, yeah, I know what you mean. [03:28] you can drop nicks yourself. [03:28] i have to type the first two characters to auto complete. the | is quite annoying :P [03:29] it's just /quote nickserv drop ;) [03:29] followed by nick and password [03:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.65.175) joined ##slackware. [03:29] Urchlay: oh, if i remember correctly, the client can't read a subdirectory if that subdirectory is attached to a device with a different fs. [03:29] agentc0re1: I like the 6 at the end you used. [03:29] lol [03:29] antler: yah, that's what I said (or what I was trying to say anyway) [03:30] argh, you guys are driving me crazy. :P [03:30] f|r3b|rd: I think firebird619 was fine tbh. [03:30] Nick change: f|r3b|rd -> firebird619 [03:30] what was the 619 for? your area code? [03:30] doubt it's your age, probably not your IQ [03:30] Urchlay: no, just random numbers. [03:30] the month and year he was born [03:30] it's 69 with an extra person in the middle. [03:30] haha [03:30] that's how crazy he is! [03:30] hahahahaha [03:31] antler: june 1919? [03:31] january 1, 1919 [03:31] Does it have a pulse? SHit, i don't care... Thats what firebird619 says. [03:31] oh june [03:31] nope, that isn't it antler [03:31] hahah [03:31] Is it warm? [03:31] I don't care.. thats what firebird619 says. [03:31] :P [03:31] firebird619: 1819? [03:31] antler: nope [03:31] or, unknown date in the year 619 (but, AD or BC?) [03:32] AD.... he's not that old [03:32] 619, for me, was just random numbers, it is, however, San Diego's area code [03:32] Urchlay: dear lord, how old you think I am. :P [03:32] antler: he has a signed first edition of Beowulf? [03:32] lol [03:32] oh, you've repressed the memory of your ex, who happens to now live in san diego [03:32] agentc0re1: Well, firebird619 is a conversation starter. :P [03:32] firebird619: i don't think you're old. Younger than 30 is my guess. [03:32] Urchlay: lol [03:33] firebird619: ^^ [03:33] agentc0re1: yes, younger than 30 [03:33] I think my reasoning for 619 is much better than San Diego's area code. [03:33] antler: lol, no [03:33] agentc0re1: indeed. [03:33] firebird619: Well start using it. [03:33] you know what else is a conversation starter? [03:33] edible pantyhose [03:33] What does 619 mean firebird619? [03:33] CaptObviousman: :O [03:33] heh, in the year 619 a "beowulf cluster" was a bunch of monks copying a scroll with quill pens, by candlelight? [03:34] hahaha [03:34] in the year 619, "duude, i can hack your rock" [03:34] agentc0re1: speaking of nick changes, that reminds me, I still haven't figured out why pidgin doesn't show my nick when I change it with /nick. [03:34] eh, 619 AD, the iron age had been around a while. "Dude, I can hack your castle" [03:35] I can hack your castle, wait....oh crap, dang moat. [03:35] firebird619: maybe it's dumb, and needs you to change it in its GUI? [03:35] you deserve that for using pidgin [03:35] antler: bah, I'm in irssi, I do like pidgin, but going to that from irssi with a dark background is hard on the eyes. [03:36] irssi with the dark bg that is, pidgin is bright white. [03:36] well, any more ideas, Urchlay ? i've edited hosts.deny, hosts.allow. [03:36] Lexus (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left irc: Connection timed out [03:36] like, the normal thing for IRC clients to do is send any command they don't understand to the server, as-is. Maybe pidgin doesn't have special handling for the /nick command, just sends it as-is to the server, which changes your nick, but the client doesn't "notice" it's changed [03:36] Urchlay: i can telent the server [03:37] CaptObviousman: What about edible butt plug? I can think of one person in here that would love that! [03:37] telent? that's some kind of protocol for communications between walking trees? [03:37] Urchlay: that could be, it's weird. I use /nick and change it, everyone else can see the change, but I can't. [03:37] Urchlay: hahah [03:37] telnet [03:37] antler: I am fresh out of ideas, other than maybe running "rpc.portman -vd" (verbose, debugging) [03:38] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [03:38] and if that doesn't yield anything useful, time for tcpdump? [03:38] wait, doesn't anything show up in /var/log/messages on the server? [03:39] Jul 6 16:08:08 monolith rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.107:640 for /export/public (/export/public) [03:39] Thom1 (n=Thom1@219.118.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] IIRC, if it refuses a request, it'll log that fact too [03:40] hi [03:40] hello [03:40] Urchlay: authenticated mount request from 127.0.0.1:725 for /mnt/1TB (/mnt/1TB) [03:40] well that looks OK, except we know it didn't actually work [03:41] rpc.portmap -v -d [03:41] cannot bind udp: Address already in use [03:43] well yeah, kill the old one (rc.rpc stop) [03:43] eh, actually, killall rpc.portmap [03:43] (want to leave rpc.(stat|lock)d running) [03:43] and, BTW, I just tried it, localhost mounting does work fine on my -current box [03:44] didn't have to do anything to /etc/hosts.(allow|deny) either [03:44] rpc.portmap -v -d seems to be doing something. i'm not getting any error message [03:45] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] i'm not given a prompt in the terminal either [03:45] you shouldn't get a prompt [03:45] ok [03:46] antler: You should just uninstall the program, that would fix it. [03:46] worship the timecube and that will fix all your problems. [03:46] try your mount attempt, hopefully you'll get some useful information in the terminal where portmap is running [03:47] the localhost mount? [03:47] yeah [03:47] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/TARDIS1.jpg <--- it's not exactly a cube, you know [03:48] mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting (null) [03:48] oh one sec [03:49] here's what i get: mount.nfs: Stale NFS file handle [03:49] hm [03:49] agentc0re1: heh i actually want to use nfs [03:49] wish I knew what that meant, in that context [03:49] the (null) doesn't look good [03:50] Urchlay: ignore that, i commented out the localhost line [03:50] it means you left your nfs file handle out in the sun too long [03:50] now you should probably throw it away and get a new one [03:50] Urchlay: then i realised and undid the comment, ran exportfs, then mount localhost...... [03:52] samba is ok for linux server linux client, right? i've read mostly about linux server windows client [03:54] antler: samba will work, but doesn't handle permissions properly (there's some sort of "unix extensions for SMB" that does, but I dunno if linux supports it even) [03:55] man showmount -a server says no programs registered [03:56] i think i read that this means the servers not running [03:56] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. [03:56] server's [03:57] it could mean nfsd was started before rpc.portmap was, but the rc.nfsd script checks for that and starts it if need be (at least on -current it does) [03:57] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:59] Well, time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} Take care. [03:59] see ya antler, Urchlay [03:59] later firebird619 [04:00] think I gotta eat, which will make me pass out [04:00] hah [04:00] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Here I go"). [04:00] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [04:04] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:04] flat (n=bkaplan@98.210.155.66) joined ##slackware. [04:06] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:07] hey, i have a normal boot partition and a root which is a logical volume (lvm)... will simple install of lilo in the setup work? [04:08] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [04:08] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:09] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:09] hmm some pentium 4s are still good. i wonder why my work is throwing a large number of them away [04:11] because they suck? :P [04:12] recommendations for bit-for-bit CD duplication? wkisofs/growisofs? [04:12] s/w/m/ [04:13] zoran119: Eh? previous install? [04:14] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [04:15] yeah, when you compare them to the i7, for example, but they still run linux and windows fine [04:15] depends on what else you are trying to do i guess. [04:16] just installed mint linux on a p4 2.8g, 3g ddr2 ram [04:16] it's fast [04:17] agentc0re1: ^ [04:17] Zordrak: use 'dd' [04:17] god damn it.. is my nick agentcore1? [04:18] Nick change: agentc0re1 -> agentc0re [04:19] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [04:22] i was quite shocked to see my work throw away truckloads of computers when they work perfectly fine and many poor people don't have computers [04:26] antler, that's when you drive up with a truck and load them up 8-) [04:26] now i don't know why there's a lot of "poor people need computers!!!" talk because really, it doesn't matter if people own computers or not [04:27] you don't "NEED" a computer but it can be a good thing [04:28] what's equally surprising (to me) is that local charities and thrift stores won't take 17" lcds; they want 19. [04:28] *won't take as donations [04:28] heh [04:29] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.74) joined ##slackware. [04:29] sticks (n=drum@ppp118-208-31-97.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] nah, i don't care enough about the homeless to do that, but others in higher positions should. [04:30] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:31] alienBOB: orly? hadnt considered that... for writing too or do i pass that back out through grow? [04:31] greetings [04:34] yeah it's surprising that local charities discriminate on LCD/CRT and size [04:34] these people are usually just happy to HAVE a computer [04:34] Zordrak: mkisofs [04:35] i'm getting tired of slack segfaulting on me when copying files [04:35] how do i find the culprit? i'm trying to catch a coredump, but where do i look for it if i don't know what exactly is crashing? [04:35] john_dee, um segfaulting? [04:36] yep :[ [04:36] i would recommend "smartctl -a /dev/whatever | less" and read to see if your hard drive is having health problems [04:36] then after that, maybe booting into a memory checking program to see if it's memory [04:36] imo a kid with a computer with an internet connection is a kid with an advantage [04:36] TwinReverb, no problems, checked [04:36] i've ran into computers with corrupt RAM, and even some with failing hard drives that do that kind of thing [04:36] antler, depends on what advantage you want [04:37] if you are a pedophile, that kid has an "advantage" ... for YOU 8-P [04:37] not everything on the internet is wholesome [04:37] TwinReverb: doing well in society. that's means knowledge, money, position. [04:37] that* [04:37] TwinReverb, done that too. hardware is pretty old but memtest runs fine. [04:37] doing well in society has nothing to do with money or position. knowledge is good for everyone. [04:38] john_dee, then it could possibly be your controller [04:38] what filename coredump files have? [04:38] heh do you actually think about what you say? [04:38] antler, what ought to be is often not what is, but i know what i'm saying [04:38] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:38] TwinReverb, it's external usb hdd. tried different discs in different enclosures. same thing [04:38] society ought not to be about money or position. it might be that way, but that's when society becomes corrupt [04:39] john_dee, hmm maybe the hard drive doesn't like being in an enclosure? not sure [04:39] maybe a failing usb controller? [04:39] TwinReverb: correct, but irrelevant. we live in the real world. [04:39] a world in which having lots of money matters. [04:39] think for a moment, son [04:39] reality is not just what is, but what should be [04:39] God is reality [04:40] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjdlkja@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [04:40] hi [04:40] TwinReverb, in my corner of the world money matters above all else [04:40] oh, really raining is the same as should be raining. dumbass. [04:40] society is best when we help each other freely because we care [04:40] there could possibly be fewer homeless if people helped each other and caredf [04:41] TwinReverb, thats one of those utopia things [04:41] granted, psychologists have also thought that it's possible that most homeless have mental problems but either way, that's irrelevant [04:41] gonna upgrade gfx cards in the near future, choices are ati 4890 or potentially an nvidia gtx 285 for ~$150 and ~$180 respectively, reccomentations? [04:41] haha you are truly vaccuous. [04:41] utopia on the earth is not possible in my opinion, but that doesn't mean we can't do the right thing and be good to each other [04:41] Fenix-Dark: nvidia [04:41] Fenix-Dark, are you gaming on Linux? [04:41] TwinReverb, atm no, but i'd like to [04:41] antler, when you are in need of help and someone helps you, you'll think differently [04:42] Fenix-Dark, something nvidia, and be sure to get a nice fast GPU and lots of memory on it [04:42] i haven't had an ati card, ever [04:42] i know some guys in #2cpu that could give you good advice on a graphics card [04:43] i hear the ati linux support has improved drastically but i've only dealt with nvidia [04:43] and its been pretty flawless for me [04:43] the problem with the CEOs from AIG, for example, come from their hedonistic living and selfishness. they are evil. [04:43] if they had instead done right, we would probably all have been better off [04:44] TwinReverb, trust me you are still better off [04:44] all i can do is try to do right so much as I have the power to, and to teach my sons to do the same [04:44] TwinReverb, same here [04:45] besides, giving money to someone who can't manage money properly is a stupid decision [04:46] TwinReverb, but you guys give money to my country even when you know we will mess up [04:49] which country is your country? [04:49] ever hear of uganda? [04:50] no, have you heard of kamala, the ugandan head hunter? [04:50] huh? we dont have head-hunters [04:51] antler, there used to be a wrestler on tv with that name though [04:51] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2pPe4Ejzs4 [04:51] wtf ? dd will read a dvd fine from my drive but I/O errors for a CD [04:52] Action: Zordrak thinks he might have a shagged laser [04:52] antler, the guys at my workplace, would kill me if i was on utube [04:54] uhhhh... same result on diff machine... if the disc reads ok for k3b and windows.. why the hell would dd balk? [04:56] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] wow i would NOT want to visit kampala. hot, dusty, dry, stiffling [04:59] antler, we do have better breezes than you [05:00] antler, its not stiffling, the breezes cool you off [05:00] well i wouldn't want to visit for the breeze [05:00] its not as humid [05:00] LOL [05:00] scared? [05:01] not at this point. i'll probably never visit; so the thought of being scared hadn't crossed my mind [05:02] well, kenya gets more visitors than we do [05:03] i generally prefer places where there is sufficient electricity and clean water [05:04] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE67A0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [05:04] antler: and internet access, don't forget the internet access :D [05:05] ehh it's not that important to me when i'm travelling [05:06] he right, I was always joking, actually when I travel, I prefer not to have internet access :) [05:07] and I discovered that *I* am not addicted to the internet at all, but that friends of mine who would say I am were ;p [05:07] Reav__: i don't mean to sound like i'm putting your country down :) [05:16] antler, no offence taken [05:17] antler, we do have electricity and internet connectivity [05:17] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:20] Reav__: yeah, I think you're currently proving that ;p [05:20] Hellscream (n=me@41-208-48-180.mtn.co.za) joined ##slackware. [05:22] Action: Hellscream slaps alkos333 around a bit with a large trout [05:24] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:24] C_Tux, true but you will believe me more if my country folk are here in larger numbers [05:24] Action: Hellscream slaps Reav__ around a bit with a large trout [05:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:27] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Reav__: I believe you those who don't are mostly americans who think they are the world's most civilized country -_- [05:34] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) joined ##slackware. [05:42] Reav__, what 3rd world country are you from? France or something? that lame country?!?! [05:42] i mean france just sucks, i would hate to be from there [05:43] C_Tux, oh hai! [05:44] C_Tux, watch some fireworks, you can pretend you don't live in france -> http://www.linuxjournal.com/files/linuxjournal.com/ufiles/happy4j.sh_.txt [05:46] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) left irc: ":wq" [05:46] :/ [05:47] Reav__: see, all losers :D [05:47] edman007: you ain't gonna get that alcohol you know -_- [05:47] lol [05:47] what?!?! [05:48] whatsup ya all!! i am cornholio [05:49] edman007: saying that, sucks indeed, just as what C_Tux says, it sucks too. A country does not think as one person, just as a 'lame' country does not mean anything. [05:50] appzer0, who are you referring to? za perhaps? [05:50] appzer0, :) [05:50] well its my bedtime anyways, already 6am, lol [05:51] Action: Hellscream slaps appzer0 around a bit with a large trout [05:51] sQuEE` (n=narya@host185.201-253-139.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [05:51] Hellscream, you suck at trolling [05:51] sQuEE (n=narya@host185.201-253-139.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [05:51] night [05:51] jip is suck at trolling... [05:52] night edman007, nearing 4 July, don't forget to stock alcohol -_- [05:52] i c tux [05:52] sQuEE (n=narya@host185.201-253-139.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Client Quit [05:52] ahh...i'll be at my moms...so i think they will have some [05:53] Action: Hellscream slaps edman007 around a bit with a large trout [05:53] my dad's gf gave me $300 for my 21st [05:54] spook, nice [05:54] my dads gf gave me a bj for my 16th bday [05:55] the mother of the ex-gf of a friend gave that friend a ticket to ac/dc... [05:55] ... [05:55] Hellscream: not sure what I prefer... [05:55] but 300$, nicer :) [05:55] ac/dc here was sold out within about 30 minutes. [05:55] fucking scalpers [05:55] yep [05:55] C_Tux, Hellscream's dad is gay ;) [05:55] edman007: oh, that's ok then [05:57] she let me play with her... you know what... and she took a ride on me big tree [05:57] lol. [05:57] btw, for ac/dc, right before the performance, there was a *lot* of people trying to resell the tickets they had bought, they had bought too many and had surplus, they had so many they were selling them for less than the regular price! [05:57] C_Tux: when is the ac/dc concert and where? [05:58] australia [05:58] i would love to see ac/dc [05:58] dtanner: that was two or three weeks ago in the south of France [05:58] sux2bu [05:58] ac/dc very bad... they not sing good [05:58] shut the fuck up. [05:58] i am cornholio!!\ [05:58] say what you want about there scfreaming and simplistic guitar riffs.. anyway you put it these guys are rhythm machines and raunchy good ol rock and roll [05:59] bbl :) [05:59] and from perth australia, where i live. [05:59] me got a stiffy now just thinking of me dads girlfriend, oh i like hairy (you know whats...) lol [05:59] Action: Hellscream slaps spook around a bit with a large trout [05:59] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-239-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:59] you not tell me to shut up [05:59] even the singer says all he does is scream , they know it , but noone says he is trying to win the cinamatic opera award, it is raunchy rock and roll, take it for what it is . they rock there fsckin arses off. [06:00] Hellscream: go away, mirc user. [06:00] want screaming, go listen to cradle of filth... [06:00] spook go away you child user [06:00] pervert [06:01] what is wrong with you man? [06:01] nothing... spook is being an idiot... [06:01] hahaha irony [06:02] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-077b265d699c8c41) joined ##slackware. [06:02] australia.... nevermind... now i can see y spook is acting the way he is... [06:02] spook is not doing anything and is defo not an idiot. [06:02] dtanner, he is a troll in training [06:02] Action: edman007 really goes to bed [06:02] yes edman007 , it seems that way [06:02] and not even going to be good at it [06:02] does #slackware need a troll? please appoint me then, i am very qualified [06:03] i have the power to troll him into killing himself, however i choose not to. [06:03] hahaha MIRC [06:03] get a life man [06:03] hi [06:03] hello High_Priest [06:04] 6.35, whats the exploit for that version again? [06:04] what? y is mirc so bad? its the first irc client i found on google search results, im not even on my own pc atm. at work on 'n windows pc, jeez guys give me a break [06:04] putty + sshd + screen + irssi [06:06] Hellscream (n=me@41-208-48-180.mtn.co.za) left irc: [06:06] spook: are you in australia? [06:07] spook: putty? you windows user! [06:07] dtanner: no? what makes you think that. [06:07] C_Tux: he uses windows, i was giving him an option that is lightyears better than mirc. [06:07] i dunno, i am half asleep and read something wrong earlier i guess [06:08] spook: ha ok, I see ;) [06:08] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-194-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] must have been when someone said ac/dc is playing in australia [06:08] sorry [06:09] spook [n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] [06:09] hi [06:09] damn this active directory is giving me troubles [06:10] can't believe those guys are still touring. ah ok, i didn't whois ya. have you seen ac/dc live spook? if that is your cup of tea that is. [06:10] dtanner: nope. i just know they are from my home town. [06:10] gyroscope too. [06:10] cool [06:11] little birdie [06:13] spook: didn't notice that but it seems you managed to make him leave :) [06:13] good job spook [06:13] Hellscream (n=IceChat7@41.208.48.180) joined ##slackware. [06:14] im back, hows icechat for windows? [06:14] i turned off all part join messages... [06:15] yeah, i sent mine to another window the other day and forgot to save the settings. I can't stand my # window getting splattered with joins/parts/quits [06:15] spook, wanna mess with me now? ill ice you man [06:16] wanna get iced dtanner? [06:16] go ahead. [06:16] Unknown command [06:17] icechat version, built april 2008 [06:17] hmmm i think i will try the new ff [06:18] 2008? more than one year to find security flaws? hmm.... [06:18] IceChat 7.63 Build 20080417 <-- jip [06:18] Any tips on getting my microphone working with skype? I can't exactly figure out KMix (I've a HDA Intel sound chip) or devices in skype [06:18] what other irc client can i use on windows? [06:18] Aldaron: alsamixer [06:19] Hellscream: irssi [06:20] spook: that seems to be the same things. I've everything set to some nonzero volume, input source "Mic" and in Skype, "Default" [06:20] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-239-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:20] I can hear me pretty well amplified through the soundcard, but that's all [06:21] thank u c_tux, im downloading it now [06:21] Aldaron: tried like, catting the /dev for the microphone? [06:22] spook: no. How would I do that? :P [06:22] (or, which device?) [06:23] Hellscream (n=IceChat7@41.208.48.180) left irc: "ASCII a stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!" [06:23] ah, maybe in /dev/snd [06:25] \o/ got him to download irssi for use under windows! [06:26] It might be good that way too =) [06:26] .. stupid that I feel I just can't find the mic device ;) [06:29] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:30] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.23.42) joined ##slackware. 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[07:02] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:03] hi all [07:09] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:13] so quiet at this hour [07:15] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cc82517a1f3ff334) joined ##slackware. [07:17] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.199.58) joined ##slackware. [07:18] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.23.42) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:18] not that quiet [07:19] ooh, the spook :P [07:19] hows life? [07:19] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [07:20] pretty good. [07:20] you? [07:20] can't complain either [07:20] the weather is fabulous here [07:20] ... which is not often [07:21] freezing my nuts off here [07:21] right.. the sutheren hemisphere :P [07:21] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [07:21] but at least santa's hot little helpers run around in bikinis where you live :P [07:21] freezing your nuts while mines are boiling [07:22] yeah makes staying in bed with a naked girl more fun [07:22] granted [07:27] Hellscream (n=Hellscre@41.208.48.180) joined ##slackware. [07:27] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-66-185.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:27] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-131-5.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:28] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-155-245.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:28] o/ every one :) [07:29] hello init[1] [07:29] o/ eve player [07:30] :) what's new here [07:31] hello [07:33] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:35] congrats [07:35] Hellscream (n=Hellscre@41.208.48.180) left irc: "Leaving" [07:38] tooly (n=tooly@e178166025.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:40] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE67A0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE67A0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:43] init[1]: new? [07:43] init[1]: slackware 13rc1 is available in both 32 and 64 bit editions :-) [07:44] macavity: :) wow that is news .. [07:44] macavity: that's old news, already 24 hours the whole world knows that :p [07:44] on the minor news side, Michael Jackson died [07:44] C_Tux: that too old [07:44] that's [07:45] C_Tux: Slackware news and MJ news are not even on the same scale [07:45] C_Tux: we are talking orders of manitude of orders of magnitude of difference ;-) [07:45] yea , macavity thank you :) im checking distrowatch now [07:46] macavity: yeah, nobody cares about MJ :D [07:46] init[1]: be a man; check the ChangeLog ;-) [07:46] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ad2a991.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:46] macavity: i was away from my desk for few days .... i couldn't check it just came now to the channel [07:47] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ad2a991.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [07:47] C_Tux: i bet a lot of people actually do... but it just doesnt come close to the sensational over taking of the world that slackware is now one step closer to :P [07:47] macavity: exactly :D [07:48] Pat is a rockstar, I tell you :) [07:48] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [07:48] init[1]: if you have intel graphics, upgrade to kernel .30 (home roll), and mesa-7.4.4 from testing/ [07:49] and maybe use xf86-video-intel-2.7.99.991 (or so) [07:49] macavity: mine is a NVDIA card ... i don't think that would be a issue [07:49] init[1]: then, at least on i945G[M] composite extention is bloody fast (and actually stable for a change) [07:50] init[1]: ah, too bad :P [07:50] yea every one say the same thing [07:50] "too bad" <- [07:50] [ in bed ] [07:50] :P [07:51] well im good there :P [07:51] C_Tux: iirc xf86-video-intel-2.8.0 is only going to play nice with kernel .30 and upwards [07:53] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-140-51.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:54] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [07:54] YOYO! [07:54] NONO :P [07:55] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-140-51.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [07:55] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-140-51.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:02] macavity: yep [08:07] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ad2a991.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:10] wow, and its based on GCC: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/03/0143233/IBM-Releases-Open-Source-Machine-Learning-Compiler [08:10] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-140-51.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:10] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [08:11] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:11] sticks (n=drum@ppp118-208-31-97.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:12] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:13] macavity: I've been told its benefits where already in gcc [08:13] (and irc is deeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad today!) [08:13] irc is dead? who says that? [08:14] hi all [08:14] yo D-r_Flower [08:14] may someone help me, i am realy afraid. i cannot run firefox [08:15] akira42_: I get no messages on other channels and almost no message here [08:15] D-r_Flower: symptoms ? [08:15] i saw a post in LQ, but there is not desision that i was not tried without success [08:16] just no firefox. no console output [08:17] it happen with unpacket tarball from the firefox site and with all packages i tried - from slacky, self builded with official scrip of 3.0.11 [08:17] a package from anather user [08:17] and no success [08:17] mighty slack gurus, your help is needed [08:18] :) [08:18] http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads/090703/5iVjbaE727.jpg [08:18] tried removing ~/.mozilla (or moving it somewhere else) ? [08:18] what could be the reason of this behaviour? [08:19] he, kernel oops :) [08:19] i creaded a new user and tried as the new user, but .... :( [08:19] C_Tux, yeah, but it's not funny anymore since it happens way too often [08:20] john_dee: try upgrading your kernel and if the problem persists, report it upstream ;) [08:20] C_Tux: well.. its nice that Big Blue uses GCC for reasearch projects. i guess the new plugin/module design is paying off in other ways than we expected [08:22] C_Tux, i'd prefer to hear opinions on what could be causing this before i continue to torture the drive [08:22] D-r_Flower: using proper slackware package? [08:23] ah, i tried this, with edited slackbuild for 3.0.11, as i do with every new release, and some other packages made for slackware, but ... [08:24] john_dee: it might as well be a rare kernel oops [08:24] slackware releases updated packages for firefox, among other things. [08:24] john_dee: is it consistant? [08:25] macavity, it definitely is :[ [08:25] spook, it is real problem and i dont know where is the problem i never had that before [08:25] john_dee: still persists in recent kernels, and lots of oopses: http://www.kerneloops.org/search.php?search=radix_tree_insert&btnG=Function+Search [08:25] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.73.67) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:25] i "strace"-d it, i ll post that in pastebin [08:25] http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Wrestling_midgets_killed_by_fake_hookers&in_article_id=696603 [08:25] oh dear [08:25] john_dee: and this just started to happen at some point in time? [08:26] D-r_Flower: unless you're using the official slackware firefox package, i have no idea whats wrong. [08:26] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:26] C_Tux, omg o_O. that's a lot of oopses. way too much [08:26] spook, do uhave offical slackaware package for 3.5? [08:27] nope. [08:27] macavity, it happens when copying files from one partition to another [08:27] D-r_Flower: no-one does yet [08:27] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] macavity, from ext3 to ntfs-3g. crashes every second time i do copy anything [08:27] has 3.5 been released? [08:27] macavity: i know, but many use it [08:28] macavity, to ntfs, i meat [08:28] john_dee: as I told you, known bug, you should really go see that with mainline [08:28] %) *mean [08:28] you might also try to upgrade ntfs-3g [08:28] spook: firefox? nope [08:28] http://pastebin.ca/1482957 this is output of strace [08:28] spook: still beta [08:28] john_dee: but it doesnt show this behaviour under *any other* operations? [08:29] no, 3.5 released two days ago [08:29] john_dee: and only if both partitions are on the same disk? [08:29] C_Tux: oh really? [08:29] NICE [08:30] i stopped using firefox a few weeks ago. opera doesn't lag and chug memory. [08:30] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:30] alienBlurb (i=3351@slackware.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:30] C_Tux, going to try that [08:30] spook: ;p [08:31] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [08:31] opera is great browser i use it, but it lack some beneffits of FF, for example flashblock and i use opera with disabled plugins [08:31] john_dee: i agree.. this is a kernel bug [08:31] john_dee: your drive is fine [08:31] see the great thing about flashblock is that it blocks flash, which lags under firefox. [08:31] in opera you dont really have that problem. [08:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] just dont install flash? [08:32] yeah. [08:32] that should solve several problems all at once :P [08:32] so u use firefox as my multimedia browser, i need it [08:33] sorry, i use* [08:33] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:35] are there any known plans to release slackware64 with 13.0? [08:36] john_dee: you could even investigate what goes on at line 343 in /usr/src/linux/lib/radix-tree.c [08:36] steiger: check the changelog for 64current [08:36] BUG_ON(tag_get(node, 1, offset)); is the offender :P [08:37] so it might be worth stepping over what tag_get() does [08:37] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-63.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:38] spook: ok, so it's frozen and it's rc1 too. so I assume, yes? :) thank you [08:38] steiger: they may or may not release at the same time. [08:38] i'm betting, and hoping they will each be release, when they are ready. [08:39] poona_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [08:39] i hope xserver-1.6.2 makes it in [08:39] it has some fixes to XvMC [08:41] poona_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Client Quit [08:42] macavity, i don't remeber it happening under other conditions. both partitions on the same drive. and it's ext3 to ntfs only. i can remeber of no crashes when copying to vfat or to another drive, for example. there may have been just one random crash, but not this consistent [08:43] john_dee: was the "maybe one random crash" in radix-tree.c at line 343 too? [08:44] macavity, very likely it was the same [08:44] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ad2a991.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [08:44] john_dee: all you can do is go to the lkml and pester the maintainer [08:44] john_dee: be prepared to test patches [08:45] I bet the oops means the tree is broken and this is a very serious problem as it means you're maybe corrupting your data, you should stop everything that triggers that oops as long as this isn't resolved [08:45] john_dee: maybe you are one of the few "luckey" people who can reproduce this reliably [08:45] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:45] and for tests you should use another partition [08:45] john_dee: in that case, i would say that you have an obligation to help test patches ;-) [08:46] macavity++ [08:46] C_Tux: i think it is either a fence error or a cache eviction error [08:47] macavity, i am afraid my backup drive won't agree with you on that "lucky" thing ;) [08:47] init[1] (n=init[1]@116.68.101.155) joined ##slackware. [08:47] poona_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [08:48] john_dee: hence the quotes [08:48] john_dee: your name will appear in the kernel log! [08:48] john_dee: but once in a while each individual takes a shot for the team, and hence dont all have to be shot all the time :P [08:48] C_Tux, chkdsk and md5 say i'm safe.. at least for now %) [08:49] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ad2a991.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:49] slackware.com offline? [08:50] slashdotted [08:50] Nick change: poona_ -> poona [08:50] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] bugger [08:50] unfortunately, i didn't get a core dump. that might come in handy [08:50] friggin noobs [08:50] john_dee: well, for now [08:50] john_dee: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html :) [08:51] C_Tux: not on /. page... [08:51] yup, cardinal has gone down like a cheerleader on prom night [08:51] Zordrak: was yesterday [08:51] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Client Quit [08:51] Zordrak: but now slackware.com works for me [08:51] Action: Zordrak continues to look [08:52] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176203447.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:52] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ad2a991.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [08:52] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] C_Tux: been through all of /. since weds... nothingc [08:54] C_Tux, heh. thanks. i guess that's a useful thing to do. i wish i don't bork the partition reproducing this "feature" %) [08:54] how the hell can lightning kill off our voip-system [08:55] C_Tux: when did you say slackware was slashdotted?!? [08:55] btw, why didn't i get coredump? i set "ulimit -c" to unlimited. where do i look for the dump? or is it possible that it doesn't get written? [08:55] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:56] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:56] it *should* be in $PWD of the calling app [08:56] macavity: on yesterday iirc [08:56] macavity, but what is the calling app in this case? [08:57] but I don't read /. myself, that's what I read here [08:57] john_dee: he ;p [08:57] >.< [08:57] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [08:58] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.36.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:59] so.. if it's not /. what is it? [08:59] Zordrak: still down for you? [08:59] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176203447.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware. [09:00] not so much down as timing out [09:00] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:00] 64.57.102.34 ? [09:00] yes [09:02] 69.69.69.69 [09:02] "Welcome to ascii-g33-pr0n.com" [09:02] *g33k [09:03] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:06] you mean g4y [09:07] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.160.119) joined ##slackware. [09:08] lol [09:08] C_Tux: Not /. [09:08] C_Tux: server fail [09:08] just been up the channel history [09:08] tewmten: you mean #gaygeeks? [09:09] Zordrak: maybe misread but now, it's up [09:09] not from here [09:09] mtr or traceroute ? [09:10] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:11] vadim (n=Vadim@212.248.18.162) left irc: Client Quit [09:11] C_Tux: possibly, however they banned me for eating pussy tho :/ [09:12] lulz [09:12] C_Tux: last hop is 32(!) sac-main.cwo.com [09:13] lol [09:13] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:13] pwned :) [09:14] tewmten: that's sad =/ [09:14] wanna check #ubuntu-women? :D [09:15] ok, let's start ##slackware-women [09:15] btw, noticed christel was on #ubuntu-women so it's maybe not the best channel to troll on ;p [09:15] or rather ##slackware-women [09:16] :) [09:16] why [09:17] christel is freenode staffer [09:20] the female slackware users dont need a seperate channel.. having survived the slackware installer shows they can cope with anything us male geeks can possibly come up with :P [09:22] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:22] v4nelle (n=van@78-59-83.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Zerocool (i=1000@200-219-76-11.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Nick change: Zerocool -> Zunta [09:25] probably, but still waiting for horny^W chicks to join [09:27] macavity: exactly. installing Slackware demonstrates strength of resolve and intelligence. the female Slackers don't need a separate channel. [09:28] C_Tux: who is christel? [09:29] send nude pics [09:29] tewmten: ever saw a freenode public notice ? ;) [09:29] oh yeah [09:29] so.. [09:29] nude pics? [09:29] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [09:30] Christel Dahlskjaer - Member (Head of Staff, freenode) [09:31] mm.. head [09:31] you might ask for some ;p [09:32] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:32] Nick change: akira42_ -> akira42 [09:32] v4nelle (n=van@78-59-83.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [09:32] v4nelle (n=van@78-59-83.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:33] now, for some strange reason or other, i might think that christel has seen more than her fair share of corny sexist jokes, so i would advice *extreme* caution if someone wants to querey her for nude pics :P [09:33] hmmm, googled for her name and google gave me : http://www.somethingsexy2wear.com/images/flowerbbd.jpg .............. \o/ [09:33] id say, a chain of proxies, twenty hops deep, or something like that :P [09:33] (yeah, nsfw of course) [09:35] sh0ne (n=Unknown@nat.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [09:35] Dahlskjaer is a Danish name... [09:35] though we spell it with ć instead of ae [09:35] macavity: why extreme caution? [09:36] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [09:36] pi31415: try and tell us how it went :D [09:36] heh-heh [09:36] pi31415: because i imagine that she has become ill tempered over time from the shit load of piss poor jokes about her gender... and that ill temperedness is followed through by a rather rigours skill set required to be head of staff on freenode [09:37] hi all [09:37] oh, I jumped into the middle of the conversation [09:37] i bet she can order pizza bringout to most people who irritates her :P [09:39] it's IRC, why should gender matter AT ALL? [09:39] "is this Marios? can you deliver a pizza with tripple antjovies and nothing else to $ADDRESS? thanks.. could i have you write 'fuck off luser' on the inside of the lid while you are at it?" :P [09:39] that should scare most script kiddies, dont you think? :P [09:40] gender doesnt matter in a support chan [09:40] script kiddies love pizza [09:40] which is why i make fun of missjane [09:40] missyjane* [09:40] pi31415: s/it's IRC,// [09:40] aka nixorchix? [09:40] no [09:40] k [09:41] We had a high school robotics team give a demonstration at our work place, and one of the manager types was pleased to see girls on the team and made some comments about how he was pleased to see women in science and so forth [09:42] I thought that if I had been that girl then the attention would be unwelcome and might even seen patronizing [09:42] the one that he asked questions of, and made statements to [09:42] exactly [09:43] dont ignore, and dont give more attention [09:43] pi31415: right, gender shouldn't matter on irc, and it doesn't matter, everybody is male :D [09:43] but do try to keep the "thats what she said" jokes to a minimum :P [09:43] C_Tux: it matters in real life because it is part of our personalities and we cannot fully unlearn our childhood training [09:47] What's this about?! [09:47] ~jesus [09:47] pi31415: yeah, I only want to see if anybody joins ##slackware-women [09:48] I mean, if anybody who is a female ! [09:48] ;) [09:48] Lots of males certainly [09:48] still nobody :D [09:48] Any males here wanna send me nude pics? [09:48] Nick change: pi31415 -> venus [09:48] <3 [09:49] Aldaron: lol sure [09:50] spook: of yourself? ;) [09:50] of course not. [09:50] :( [09:51] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201-35-151-85.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:51] Aldaron: why exactly do you want pictures of a geek who is whiter than sour cream, and has knees more pointy than ice picks? [09:51] macavity: ssh, I'm trying to reverse the joke :) [09:51] nheco (n=nheco_nh@200-96-102-81.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:51] hairy kneels here :) [09:52] Aldaron: not that i am saying that there is anything wrong with any kind of fetish, but merely that that is in consequence what you are asking for :P [09:52] kneels! :D [09:52] macavity: I'm completely aware of that :D [09:52] also i am having a bad hair day :P [09:52] It's also weird that people on irc seem to equate female == attractive [09:53] no, that is not weird.. that is called "optimism" [09:53] no [09:53] who is a woman here [09:53] me [09:53] yea. And maybe it's good people have optimism? I mean, good in other circumstances? [09:53] that's because it's true that male == unnatractive [09:53] so anything goes :p [09:53] :D [09:53] there are no girlz on the interwebz!!!1oneoneleven [09:53] I'm not unattractive! Women say I'm beautiful [09:53] i'm a girl [09:54] well [09:54] yes you are [09:54] spook: we know :P [09:54] no, you are a man [09:54] everyone is a man [09:54] no i'm an fbi agent [09:54] except little girls - they are FBI agents [09:54] :) [09:54] O_O [09:54] spook: that's okay, because you don't have a feminine nick [09:54] Action: macavity reads shred(1) [09:55] Nick change: venus -> pi31415 [09:55] Aldaron: it's merely thinking : woman seems nice, must be good-looking too [09:55] C_Tux: i think it is a lot more desperate than that :P [09:56] so, any common lisp users in here? [09:56] pi31415: dump lisp, try ocaml! [09:56] C_Tux: woman is on techie network.. she must dig geeks (as opposed to digging technology), hence she must look like a pr0n star and want to marry me (i dont have any other chance!) [09:56] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:56] use yaml [09:57] C_Tux: techie network? what is a non-techie network? [09:57] C_Tux: eg, where logical thinking falls appart, simply because it requires *nontechnical* insights :P [09:57] pi31415: facebook? [09:57] or do you mean some TV show? [09:57] macavity: a nice voice can be misleading ;) [09:57] macavity: also, I know nothing of dating, and cannot begin to think how others might feel like, so hey, wanna marry me? [09:57] s/show/channel/ [09:58] Aldaron: sorry, i am accounted for [09:58] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.2) joined ##slackware. [09:58] thats right, hes married to me [09:59] Come on! You maybe live in Denmark, so we're less than 2000 km away, that makes us a perfect match :D [09:59] v4nelle (n=van@78-59-83.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:59] hm. Don't be offended, nevermind me, having too much fun :) [10:00] "don't be scared, here, have some candy!" [10:00] ;) [10:00] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ad2a991.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:01] Aldaron: lol [10:02] spook, u r in europe? [10:02] yup [10:02] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [10:03] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ad2a991.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [10:03] spook: what about your Australian DSL hostname? [10:03] Aldaron: i am sloser to her ;) [10:03] close* sorry [10:03] pi31415: i'm fbi, i can be who i want [10:04] european fbi eh? [10:04] D-r_Flower: damn! But you're not me. Can't beat that [10:04] spook is a Kangaroo -_- [10:04] :D [10:04] years ago I chatted with someone who said that they could detect gender over IRC [10:04] Let the kangaroo jokes begin [10:04] they said that males were clearly more aggressive [10:04] pi31415, that's funny [10:04] i ride my kangaroo to school [10:04] Action: TwinReverb stabs pi31415 [10:05] pi31415: that's probably true-ish [10:05] yes, i am not so great guru, because my firefox doesnt start, but i have some properties [10:05] NO IT ISN'T. @#$#@ THAT GUY [10:05] just ask who enjoys cars/strippers/computers [10:05] but then again, I don't like guessing, and there certainly are more aggressive girls and less aggressive boys [10:05] C_Tux, i don't enjoy strippers because that would translate (in my life) as to loving divorce 8-S [10:06] yeah i got this stripper widget in my car's computer [10:06] helluva cool [10:06] we all love computers because we're on IRC ##slackware [10:06] i hate computers [10:06] Action: TwinReverb stabs tewmten [10:06] 8-) [10:06] TwinReverb: congrats [10:06] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.199.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:06] It seems like you can just ask who likes stabbing [10:06] computers suck [10:06] TwinReverb: hehe :p [10:06] Love stripping, not strippers ;) [10:07] Dominian: congrats [ in bed ] [10:07] Action: TwinReverb misses his wife 8-) [10:07] er 8-( [10:07] or "is Brad Pitt sexy?" [10:07] TwinReverb: could just turn gay. [10:07] but that's an objective yes [10:07] 8'( [10:07] the magazines say so. [10:07] Dominian: finnaly! [10:08] Dominian: article? and how good a job do they do at it if, say, they object they are supposed to suck is approx 6 inches long? [10:09] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [10:09] gotta love it when they spend more on advertising than on producing a movie [10:09] is it me or slackware.com is down? [10:09] P4C0: yes [10:09] it seems to be down, yes [10:09] slackware.com has been down since yesterday [10:09] P4C0: err.. yes, slackware.com is down [10:09] its you [10:10] slackware.com not down [10:10] it is just a frigment of our collective imagination [10:10] Action: TwinReverb saw transformers II [10:10] slackware.com is down here [10:10] TwinReverb: did you watch G1 transformers? [10:10] also here [10:10] oh, slackware.com down again it seems [10:10] it's just slow here [10:10] C_Tux: just likes to say things without checking [10:10] TwinReverb: how is it? I heard the story adaptation is bad... but the effects are nice [10:11] well let's all spam it at once to check if its up [10:11] P4C0: isn't that true for all movies? ;) [10:11] if you watched G1 transformers, dont go see transformers 2. [10:11] I'll run ab against it :) [10:11] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] i liked it [10:11] i won't spoil it for you guys [10:11] Aldaron: true [10:11] thrice`: no, was down yesterday, was up this morning, down again, ... but it was working less than one hour ago [10:12] I wasn't impressed by the trailer [10:12] They shouuld just call it TRANSFORMERS: AGAIN! [10:12] often trailer != movie [10:12] the movie should be called robots that transform 2 (not to be confused with transformers owned by hasbro) [10:12] none of this "revenge of the guys that lost last time" [10:12] spook, ++ [10:12] hiptobecubic: the fallen is actually the name of a character. [10:12] C_Tux: I was only kidding :) [10:13] yep [10:13] I thought transformers 1 sucked pretty bad [10:13] not to mention the fact that they doubled up on the name devestator [10:13] devastator [10:13] also, blackout comes back from the dead without explaination [10:13] i thought transformers 1 rocked [10:13] an easy target considering the low quality of the original cartoon [10:13] well this sounds like a great movie that won't frustrate me at all. [10:13] pi31415, YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH [10:13] and the devestator from the first movie appears in the second one, but isnt explicitly named [10:13] pi31415, not really [10:13] thrice` :D [10:14] pi31415: WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT [10:14] All american movies suck. Why? Because, where you can see boolshit super heroes?! [10:14] wat? [10:15] I'd like to point out that pi31415 should wash his hands, not mouth :) [10:15] He needs to wash his brain [10:15] I mean, how long can you make movies about super heroes!? [10:15] pri4pus, forever. [10:15] So, it will suck forever. [10:15] pri4pus: if you don't consider the need to somehow finance that.. ;) [10:16] people tend to want there to be a definite hero and a definite villain [10:16] Or you can go to europe and make an artsy film about some regular guy delivering mail or something. [10:16] great [10:16] some people for example hated the way Jeepers Creepers ended [10:16] But yeah, ppl can make cartoons and superhero-movies as long as there will be teenagers [10:16] Aldaron, and everyone else. [10:17] haha, crappy film on tv : it's more than 70°C in some city, they have probably forgotten meat would cook at less than 69°C, everybody is cooked :D [10:17] mm.. meat [10:17] Yes, ppl can make superhero movies but not one after another. [10:17] Transformers 1, 2... [10:17] hiptobecubic: of people above 25 years of age that I know.. Let's see: none reads cartoons, and a minority watches superhero movies, because they read cartoons as teenagers and feel nostalgic about it [10:17] Terminator 1, 2, 3, 4... [10:17] Watchmen... [10:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [10:18] Ironman 1, 2... [10:18] echo river > /sys/platform/eyes/tear_governor [10:18] And all this in like 3 years. [10:18] theres a second ironman? [10:18] I know many people that care nothing about cartoons and just want to watch movies about superheroes [10:18] C_Tux: isn't 42°C already where the coagulation of body parts starts? [10:18] It will be in 2010. [10:19] Action: hiptobecubic hopes Toy Story 3 is better than 2. [10:19] Aldaron: no idea, *you* have to try ;) [10:20] C_Tux: well, I'm happy with what I've been told about that :D [10:20] tooly (n=tooly@e178166025.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [10:20] Aldaron: come on, you only need a knife and a "Banc Köfler" :D [10:21] C_Tux: tempting.. ;) [10:21] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.2) joined ##slackware. [10:21] apply directly to forehead [10:22] C_Tux, your voodoo characters aren't rendering properly here [10:22] hahaha, the heat created plasma over Los Angeles, it's > 1000°C ^^ [10:23] C_Tux, what movie is this lol [10:23] :-D [10:23] hiptobecubic: it's only a german character but if you want, I can write "Banc Koefler" which is correct german too [10:23] hiptobecubic: trying to get the name ;p [10:23] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [10:23] I'd rather have chars render properly. [10:24] hiptobecubic: then switch to unicode? :) [10:24] Aldaron, I haven't managed to do that right yet [10:24] goooooood morning all [10:25] goooood mooorning slackware! [10:25] hiptobecubic: seems rottentomatoes doesn't know it [10:25] blacksheep aka elsheepo aka sheep aka beatzz aka eric [10:25] is in the channel [10:25] :D [10:26] and also maybe that the translation is wrong [10:26] anyone here play/ed UT99? [10:26] I love the sound of harddisk in the morning.. sounds like victory [10:26] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-63.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [10:26] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-63.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:26] i cant sleep without the sweet huum of my computer running next to my pillow :> [10:27] :o [10:27] i used to be the same [10:27] these days i have tinnitus to keep me company [10:27] :D [10:27] :-( [10:28] gana go roll me a doober and then im gana spend the next few hours getting kde 4.2 on slizack [10:28] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [10:28] 42! 42! the answer of the question o.O [10:29] kde is 1/10th of the way [10:29] r3n4n (n=renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) joined ##slackware. [10:30] my X is freezing as non root with xorg-server-1.6.1-i486-2 [10:32] r3n4n: which GPU? [10:32] hiptobecubic: found it : http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/1089482-inferno/ [10:32] r3n4n: which driver? [10:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [10:32] macavity: nvidia card [10:32] nv or binary blob? [10:32] C_Tux, b-movie fan? [10:32] version of mesa? [10:32] macavity: binary blob [10:32] hiptobecubic: nothing on tv [10:32] r3n4n: slackbuild or .run file? [10:33] macavity: .run [10:33] r3n4n: did you remember to remove mesa beforehand then? [10:33] r3n4n: can you switch to a vt ? [10:33] macavity: nope [10:33] C_Tux: nope [10:33] i dont know how to unmess that [10:34] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:34] r3n4n: do you know SysRq ? [10:34] r3n4n: you may wish to study how the slackbuild does its magic, so you can see what got over written, and what is still laying around [10:34] r3n4n: i *suppose* the easy solution is to removepkg mesa and re-install nvidia-binary-poison-blob.run [10:35] Initrd (i=nix@208.53.179.98) joined ##slackware. [10:35] macavity: also, can you ssh into the system from another computer ? [10:35] but dont complain if that just breaks stuff further.. i dont normally deal in propietary software [10:35] macavity: who would i know? :P [10:35] *how [10:35] macavity: ok [10:35] r3n4n: you should try Alt+ImprEcran+r and then switch to another vt and check dmesg [10:35] Where is the systemwide locale set [10:36] with xorg-server-1.6.1 build 1 works [10:36] also, when you reboot, check /var/log/Xorg [10:36] I'd recommend installing the nvidia binary driver as a SBo package [10:36] oh [10:36] Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling and a thought I can probably easier remove or update it [10:36] uhm [10:36] the only thing that was changed for build 2 was the default fontpath [10:36] odd [10:36] and yeah, /var/log/Xorg.0.log [10:37] C_Tux: i'm try [10:38] arg. slackpkg fails to connect to my favourite mirror. [10:38] slackware.com ? :D [10:38] r3n4n (n=renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) left irc: "leaving" [10:38] C_Tux: no, gulus.usherbrooke.ca [10:39] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:39] people who go straight against ftp.slackware.com should be shot :P [10:40] maybe it should have anon access disabled [10:42] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cc82517a1f3ff334) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:43] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-9acfae8d46ca4532) joined ##slackware. [10:43] r3n4n (n=renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) joined ##slackware. [10:44] ah, I found a fast mirror [10:44] macavity: works! i'm removed mesa package and reinstall nvidia .run [10:44] i found a super fast mirror, 172.16.1.1 [10:45] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:45] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Nick change: r3n4n -> renan_away [10:46] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:46] renan_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [10:46] HAHAHA TAKE THAT [10:46] spook: oh, let me try. [10:46] woopsy :) [10:47] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [10:47] r3n4n (n=renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) joined ##slackware. [10:48] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) left irc: "leaving" [10:50] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:50] Action: thumbs loves slackpkg upgrade-all [10:51] are we likely to see a FF 3.5 package for 12.2? [10:51] no [10:51] nope. [10:52] ah well. I'll just upgrade to 13.0 then. [10:52] won't get ff 3.5 either [10:52] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:52] you can make a 3.5 package in only a few seconds time, though [10:52] thrice`: yeah, I could. [10:52] why don't you think 13 will get 3.5? [10:52] because 13rc1 has been announced [10:53] that doesn't matter :) [10:53] dont you get what an RC is? [10:53] raela (n=raela@cpe-098-025-047-136.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] really think ff with its record-breaking number of security problem is going to be bundled? [10:54] gbonvehi1 (n=xcietok@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [10:54] personally, yes. FF will always have security updates [10:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "reboot" [10:54] imho 0% chance it gets included [10:54] ff3.5 may come as an update to 13 once it gets some more testing [10:55] maybe new mesa or new X but that's it [10:55] macavity: which means -current [10:55] just stick with -current [10:55] I was just thinking that ... 3.5 isn't going to have any more or fewer problems than what's there already. [10:55] so when 3.5 does go into slackware, you'll get it [10:55] or roll your own..which is cake [10:55] I want the speed boost. [10:55] wasnt firefox 1.x -> 2.x pushed as regular updates? [10:55] I want a cake roll! [10:55] thumbs: then use opera [10:55] rob0: denied. [10:56] 3.5 works much nicer here than 3.0; I'll bet it goes in. there is no reason not to [10:56] spook: well, I have several reasons why I need firefox at this point [10:56] and so we're going to call this release candidate #1 and [10:56] (mostly) freeze further updates unless they happen to fix problems. [10:56] oh, but one issue might be plugins ... do present plugins work with ff3.5? [10:56] (sorry for the multi-line) [10:56] IMHO doesn't make sense to deploy a new version without a software used by 300M users [10:57] rob0: not all, no. [10:57] exactly [10:59] Nick change: l4m3rx -> shadowx [11:00] so how would one go about upgradeing KDE to 4.2 from 3.5 on Slackware 12.2, is it simply a matter of downloading the packages, installing, and configuring them? [11:00] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [11:00] that was very redundent but yea. [11:00] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "BitchX: The FAQ maker!" [11:00] not simply. [11:00] and um... [11:00] no. [11:00] blacksheep: nope; kde4 requires alot of new stuff [11:00] because current uses a different package format [11:01] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:01] maby I should just get current going today instead [11:01] blacksheep: if you want kde4 on 12.2 you need to roll your own [11:01] if you want kde4, -current is the best way [11:01] yes [11:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [11:01] roll it up, lick it up, inhale, exhale [11:01] spook: and because the kde4 packages in -current are binary incompatible with 12.2 [11:02] tewmten<< u have no idea [11:02] oh i do [11:02] macavity: i started with the easiest reasons first [11:02] :P [11:02] tewmten<< i just got done with a nice fat J like .......not long ago [11:02] blacksheep: dude.. i live in amsterdam [11:02] :D [11:03] sweet :D they got the dank up there for shure [11:03] so sho [11:03] fo sho [11:03] .. [11:03] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-077b265d699c8c41) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:04] im in the process of getting my medical cannabis prescription [11:04] It's trivial to install pkgtools-13.0 on older versions, and the supporting packages (tar, xz) worked on my slamd64 12.2. [11:04] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [11:04] rob0: that wont make KDE4 fly anyway [11:04] but ... I didn't and wouldn't try to upgrade its KDE [11:05] being at RC1, everyone should be updating and testing anyway :) [11:05] in fact, I might just sit out 13.0 because I prefer KDE3. [11:05] 4.2.2 is good [11:05] 4.2.1 still had too many annoyances [11:05] macavity: aren't you behind the times? [11:05] Action: hiptobecubic thinks kde was designed by aliens [11:05] 4.2.4 annoys me [11:06] eek [11:06] 4.2.4 [11:06] well.. since 4.2.2 i havent really noticed the updates [11:06] because the stuff i care about was been fixed :P [11:07] gbowden (n=gbowden@35.Red-81-34-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:08] i had it on kubuntu for a few weeks [11:08] i loaned my system to a friend who upgraded it on accident from kubuntu 8.04 to 9.04 [11:08] I like KDE 4.2.2 in FreeBSD and like KDE 3.5.10 in Slack 12.2. I'm looking forward to KDE 4.2.4 in Slack 13.0:) I'm leaving for a vacation tomorrow so I'll be installing 13.0 when I return in late July:) [11:08] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [11:09] but after i messed with it for a day or two it worked realy nice [11:09] hitest: lets hope so :P [11:09] yeah [11:09] !!! FreeBSD [11:09] yep [11:09] i have wanted to try that for a long time [11:09] FreeBSD isnt all that bad [11:10] i even have some iso's i burned a wile back, but never got them on my system [11:10] ... once you replace everything and its grandmother with the GNU counterparts :P [11:10] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:10] is it much difrent from other linux distrobutions? [11:10] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] s/other// [11:10] same filesystem structure? [11:10] basically [11:10] FreeBSD is a good rock-solid OS, but, I prefer Slack. [11:10] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [11:11] hitest: well said :-) [11:11] ty:) [11:11] here here! [11:11] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ad2a991.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.196.224) joined ##slackware. [11:11] slack is some cool shit [11:11] slackware is the OS/Distro that annoys me the least [11:11] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [11:11] exactly [11:11] it doesnt get in my way when i want to bend it over and have my way [11:12] i enjoy it because its like a constant learning experence [11:12] and it doesnt patch the hell out of things, rendering the generic documentation useless [11:12] hiptobecubic: the film is ending, I didn't get it though [11:13] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:13] that was maybe the worst film I *ever* saw [11:13] i wana get a slackware hoodie [11:13] blacksheep: you run out of things to learn about slackware pretty quickly imho [11:13] C_Tux, i have some pretty terrible suggestions if you're interested [11:13] not on a channel like this [11:13] be back in a bit [11:13] where new problems are constantly being brought to the table [11:13] blacksheep: ... probably because the "slackware specific" parts of slackware have allways been kept to a minimum [11:13] hiptobecubic: there is a french website with the worst films, it's quite good ;) [11:14] head over to cinemageddon.org too. It's a good tracker [11:14] blacksheep: more often than not, what people talk about here is generic problems [11:14] macavity<< word [11:14] any handbrake experts? [11:14] on a bike? [11:14] thrice`: yes: dont use your hands as brakes! [11:15] ba-da-BOOM ching! [11:15] Action: blacksheep bows [11:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:15] ooor, any alternate dvd-ripppers? :) [11:15] acidrip [11:16] sourceforge seems to be having problems too [11:16] the internetz is dying! [11:16] drinking wine straight from the bottle, better than from a glass? [11:16] hiptobecubic: need registration =/ [11:16] spook: heretic! [11:16] spook<< i herd not [11:17] spook: if its a cheep wine it doesnt matter squat :P [11:17] what about straight from the cask? [11:17] spook: goooood ;) [11:17] spook<< the glass alows you to swirl your wine, oxegnating the wine, which relasess aromas and flavors [11:17] switch_ (n=nobody@c-98-235-92-129.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] switch_ (n=nobody@c-98-235-92-129.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:18] hmmm [11:18] blacksheep: please fix your IRC client to comply with the "nickname:" consensus ;-) [11:18] :o [11:18] you dont like my C++ style input symbols? [11:18] no [11:18] macavity: or "macavity," [11:19] i have no other oppinion in them than they confuse my vision [11:19] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:19] blacksheep: overloading sucks -_- [11:19] :/ [11:19] C_Tux: i am not even fond of the , notation [11:19] all high quality IRC clients postfixes : after tabcompletion [11:19] macavity: I find the "," notation more real-life and pretty much nicer [11:19] macavity: there [11:20] blacksheep: 10/10 for standards compliance :-) [11:20] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.2) joined ##slackware. [11:20] anyway, ':' or ',' is ok to me as they take the same space [11:20] C_Tux: i would be fine with either one, if just all IRC clients used the same one [11:20] shure i could understand [11:21] C_Tux: i am mildly dyslexic, so it takes little to fsck up my eyes/vision [11:21] macavity how's this? ;) [11:21] perhaps some of u are on irssi and maby it looks odd or something [11:21] w/e i dont realy have a prefrence either way so its all good. [11:21] Action: macavity locates rob0 inside a very large llama turd [11:21] Zunta (i=1000@200-219-76-11.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:21] it's warm inside there [11:22] rob0: congrats [11:22] mmm, here's a nice piece of undigested grass [11:22] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:23] actually i have a bit of a problem... i have nothing to fix [11:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a9__4uTe_A [11:23] weird url [11:23] create a virtual machine, break it, and fix that [11:23] -current has a solid kernel/drm/xorg/mesa/intel stack now [11:24] and i dont bother with "the next level" untill kernel .31 and xserver-1.6.2 comes out.. as playing with Gallium on Intel is supposedly not going to be fun without [11:24] now, scotch, rum or whiskey? [11:24] and nouveau gets a release [11:25] sahko: that is slated for mesa-7.6 iirc [11:25] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.2) joined ##slackware. [11:26] bourbon [11:26] spook: water :P [11:26] spook: bourbon* [11:26] adeodatus (n=rp@92.82.68.175) joined ##slackware. [11:27] Action: BP{k} prefers whisky over whiskey. [11:27] i hardly ever drink alcohol but when i do its usualy Evan Williams in some 7up [11:28] a nice kentucky bourbon whiskey, the extra sour mash [11:28] i have ron matusalem rum [11:29] BP{k}: and what, besides dyslexia, is the difference? [11:30] it has a cork, not a screw top [11:30] hard core rum [11:30] i thought any kind of alcohol worth drinking had a cork? [11:31] macavity: actually, dyslexia doesn't factor in it. Whisky is usually taken to meant Scotch whisky, where "Whiskey" usualy means irish, american etc. [11:31] midori [11:31] coconut rum [11:31] (observe that i dont drink at all, so how the heck would i *know*) [11:31] BP{k}: ah [11:31] macavity: pussy :P [11:31] spook: i used to drink though [11:31] gbowden (n=gbowden@35.Red-81-34-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:31] spook: but the problem was that i didnt care if it was worth drinking or not ;-) [11:32] herb > alcohol less death more <3 [11:32] blacksheep: that depends on the particular herb for sure :P [11:32] people in america die from liver failure due to paracetamol poison, than due to drinking [11:33] blacksheep: i can come up with a laundry list of herbs that sends you six feet under quite fast :P [11:33] u know what i mean ;) [11:33] speaking of it, brb all [11:33] paracetamol is some mean shit.. stay with aspirin if you have to use pain killers [11:34] ibprofen [11:34] if they are hard on the digestion, swallow them with a tea spoon of bean oil [11:34] spook: lots of people get alergic reactions to those [11:35] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [11:36] i wonder, resources for time-controlled login(restricting someone from logging in at certain times)? [11:36] pam [11:36] that probably requires PAM [11:36] easiest way would be pam [11:36] however, pam isnt straight forward [11:36] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:37] or a deamon that checks every 1/10 seccond who is logged in, and kickes those that are not supposed to be :P [11:37] spook: and getting PAM to work with slackware means turning slackware into something desicively not-slackware [11:37] or cron jobs to enable/disable accounts [11:37] oh yes [11:37] u2pian (n=guest@120.28.244.221) joined ##slackware. [11:37] if a hard disk has only one partition, does it still have an MBR and a volume boot record? or are these two got fused into the MBR? [11:37] u2pian: uh? [11:38] however, that would probably cause undesired operation if you are logged in while your accound gets disabled [11:38] you mean, superblock and mbr? [11:38] macavity: if you're root it doesnt matter [11:38] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.9) joined ##slackware. [11:38] is superblock and MBR the same? [11:38] no. [11:38] u2pian: the MBR is disk wide [11:38] superblock is partitionwide.. [11:38] u2pian: the superblock is particion specific [11:39] so this diff for firefox-mimetypes is failing. [11:39] ok...again to my question. If hard disk has only one partition, does it still have an MBR and a superblocK? [11:39] does anyone have another updated diff, other than http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/6XfiRp65.html ? [11:39] u2pian: yes [11:40] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] the MBR has 446 bytes of asm code, which then continues to the asm code in the superblock. Right? [11:40] no? [11:40] u2pian: is not an asm code [11:40] its a RECORD [11:41] raelalkoira (n=raela@cpe-098-025-047-136.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:41] u2pian: please read the lilo manpage [11:41] or kind of meta data about the disk [11:41] wikipedia says it is asm code. [11:41] exactly [11:41] MBR has 446 of asm code...and 64 byte of partition metadata [11:41] I want to murder this laptop.. it has turned itself off so many times these past few days [11:41] asm code? wtf? [11:41] wikipedia says wikipedia is wikipedia saying wikipedia is saying wikipedia is saying wikipedia is asm [11:41] yeah...asm code.. [11:41] u2pian: "asm code" is a bit of misnormer in this context [11:41] so, as you were saying, a cron job? [11:41] u2pian: it should read "machine executable code" [11:42] brklynRednek: yeah. [11:42] machine exec code..ok [11:42] maybe one that, at certain time, disables the account, then kicks anyone logged in as a certain uid? [11:42] brklynRednek: it would just run a script to disable some accounts, or enable them, at certain times [11:42] yeayh. [11:42] so BIOS executes MBR code, then continues running the code in superblock..right? [11:43] u2pian: in the default configruation (eg, factory default HDD), it is just a tiny little program that reads the partition table, and if it finds one that is marked bootable, it will attempt to execute from the first adress of the superblock [11:43] macavity: it's not a misnomer then, it's just wrong, asm code isn't machine code [11:43] u2pian: yes, unless we over write the MBR with a more inteligent solution... like lilo or grub [11:44] spook, ok...would one use sed for the disabling? or what?, yes, i know that to disable an account, put a # in front if that account in /etc/password [11:44] second question: Lilo or grub is the code in the superblock sector? [11:44] u2pian: that depends [11:44] theres a thing to disable an account [11:44] u2pian: i always install them to MBR [11:44] s/password/passwd [11:44] but it still has to stick to the 512 bytes limit right? [11:44] spook, ok...? i'm a relative newbie when it comes to actually doing this kinda thing...enlighten? [11:45] no idea [11:45] passwd -l badboy [11:45] u2pian: both lilo and grub uses a couple of hacks to get around that :P [11:45] man passwd [11:45] u2pian: that is why its called bootstrapping [11:45] u2pian: they load them selves in stages [11:45] i know [11:45] oh, i got an idea on it... [11:46] this "OS loader", is this what is meant by grub or lilo? [11:46] have two /etc/passwd files, one .daytime one .night or whatever [11:46] have the cron, at a certain time, copy one over /etc/passwd [11:46] u2pian: that depends on the context.. it could also be the one in the superblock (eg, the windows boot loader) [11:46] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.196.224) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:47] u2pian: lilo/grub can chainload the superblock loader, just like the factory default [11:47] and after, issuing an init 6 [11:47] or just change a symlink [11:47] u2pian: that is how windows gets loaded [11:47] oooo, FF 3.5 is zippy [11:47] Zippy, the pinhead? [11:48] who loads initrd? [11:48] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Success [11:48] u2pian: lilo/grub [11:48] Kernel does that, as its initial rootfs [11:49] rob0: no, it unpacks it.. it doesnt load it [11:49] Hard to tell from inside this llama turd. [11:49] or is there a way to boot people off more easily than rebooting? [11:49] rob0: if the kernel was able to load it, then it wouldn't be needed :P [11:49] lulz [11:50] u2pian: that is why you have to point lilo.conf to the initrd [11:51] u2pian: so it can load it to a given memory adress, and pass that adress to the kernel, which in turns unpacks it and mounts it as root... somewhere down the line switchroot is called, and the initrd is unloaded [11:51] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmM0FYI4-zc [11:52] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-155-166.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:53] sahko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kyNGVK-hI [11:53] that is the most amazing shit evarz [11:54] rob0: did you ever get the mime types patch to work on the FF 3.5 slackbuild? [11:54] :O [11:54] thumbs: I did :) [11:55] thrice`: could you share it again, please? [11:55] actually, I used robby's, but slackware.com is down currently :( [11:55] thrice`: crap. [11:55] raela (n=raela@cpe-098-025-047-136.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:55] thrice`: do you have a copy of it? [11:55] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/mozilla-firefox/ will have it when it's up [11:55] sahko: just wait untill beardyman starts dong his thing... [11:55] no, I just kept the package :( [11:55] thrice`: bummer. [11:55] thrice`: thanks [11:56] sorry; keep checking ^^ though; i doubt it'll be down for TOO long :) [11:56] I will. [11:59] thrice`, you sure it's not down because of you? [12:00] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:00] will you fix it with your l33t skills jeev ? [12:00] i dunno, should i? [12:01] wait thrice`, hold on.. before people start talking smack [12:01] thrice`, you sure it's not down because of you? [12:01] :) [12:01] macavity: yeah, i am willing to watch it all. its great! [12:01] r3n4n (n=renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) left irc: "leaving" [12:03] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-155-166.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [12:03] sahko: just wait untill the end where they perform together! [12:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBXeXBpTVOk [12:04] that's a sick song [12:05] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.209.134) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [12:06] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) joined ##slackware. [12:07] i guess everyone here is listening to it [12:08] let| (n=let@unaffiliated/let/x-1409425) left irc: Client Quit [12:08] i am not yet.. [12:08] let| (n=let@cpe-66-74-136-45.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:09] flutebox and beardyman gets to play untill it is done :P [12:10] macavity: i think its the best youtube video ive ever seen [12:11] sahko: yes, its perfect quality and at an insanely hight artistic level [12:14] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [12:15] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] macavity, you haven't listened. [12:20] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] this is awesome http://infoworld.com/d/mobilize/apple-patching-serious-sms-vulnerability-iphone-934 [12:21] jeev: not, i am still on the beardyman trip :P [12:21] bahhhhhh [12:22] How do I recover a deleted file? [12:22] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [12:22] I want to exploit that iphone flaw ! ;p [12:22] on it now [12:22] Is there any default utility for this? [12:22] lol [12:23] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [12:23] i have an iphone [12:23] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [12:23] iPhones are coll! [12:23] pwned by sms! sounds harsh %) [12:23] spook: your number? :D [12:23] I want one too! [12:24] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] 0410575115 [12:24] jeev: are you absolutely sure you pasted the right URL?!? [12:24] So is there any utility to recover a rm-ed file? [12:24] i like that article [12:24] it says that flash is a security risk. [12:25] apparently, all apps are sandboxed. [12:25] spook, true it's not a risk. it's a disaster [12:25] pri4pus: if you are on ext3 there is ext3grep, but it is absolutely non-trivial to use [12:25] macavity: Why? [12:26] spook: now I need to know what code to send you ;p [12:26] pri4pus: and i found this few days ago... http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linuxunix-recover-deleted-files.html [12:26] pri4pus: it is not like "undelete" [12:26] C_Tux: also my country code [12:26] OK. Thank you! [12:26] pri4pus: what pupit said [12:26] macavity: yeah [12:26] tooly (n=tooly@e178166025.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:27] nheco (n=nheco_nh@200-96-102-81.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [12:27] yes macavity, it's a great song! [12:27] anyone here a able to access slackware.com? it seems to be down for me.. [12:27] Wescotte: been down for a while [12:28] spook: thanks [12:28] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:29] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:29] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: "Leaving" [12:30] spook: you're australian, the code will be easy to find ;) [12:30] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [12:30] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-9acfae8d46ca4532) left irc: [12:30] u2pian (n=guest@120.28.244.221) left irc: "leaving" [12:31] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-86-125.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:32] How it comes that /tmp has root as owner but a regular user has the right to write to it? [12:32] oh no i totally cant restore my iphone to factory default [12:32] pri4pus: l2 permissions [12:33] Ups! Right. [12:33] :-) [12:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:34] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-91ac61e74bbec745) joined ##slackware. [12:36] pri4pus, because /tmp has 777 permissions [12:37] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) left irc: ":wq" [12:40] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [12:41] fire|bird: stop using that nick ! [12:42] /nick f|r3b|rd immediately ! [12:42] lol [12:42] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: "Leaving" [12:42] comrad, go to sleep [12:42] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:43] jeev: it's earlier than 7pm ;) [12:43] doesnt the kremlin have a curfew? [12:43] fire|bird: howdy. :) [12:43] C_Tux: Why? :P. Last night I was firebird619, I didn't set irssi to any different so it logged me in with this. :) [12:43] Hey BP{k}, how's it going? [12:44] fire|bird: not too bad :) [12:45] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Gnosologist (n=Gnosolog@unaffiliated/gnosologist) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:45] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:46] C_Tux: If I change my nick much more, I'm gonna have an identity crisis over here. :P [12:46] mac- (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:47] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [12:47] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:47] fire|bird: you don't have one already? :D [12:47] fire|bird: have you checked which variations of the name that has been registered with nickserv? [12:47] SlackNeo: set mode +b *bird!*@* [12:47] damn it [12:47] macavity: yeah, I've grouped what is unregistered already. [12:47] pwned :P [12:47] sahko: haha [12:47] slackboy not SlackNeo ! [12:47] macavity: what would firebird be in danish? [12:47] ildfugl [12:48] sahko: tab, completion fail. :) [12:48] :) [12:48] wouldnt work anyway so.. [12:48] f|r38|r slackware.com down? mm unusual. [12:48] ok, that is a non standard script kiddie notation :P [12:49] lol [12:49] f||23|3||2d [12:49] that is technically correct, but the combination makes it odd looking [12:49] whoa, that's interesting. 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[12:52] Nick change: fire\ -> fire|bird [12:52] should i register thunderfox then? :P [12:52] I went for fire\/bird. :P [12:52] macavity: haha, why not. :P [12:53] macavity: just don't make a mistake and register thunderbird, Mozilla will come after you. :P [12:54] fire\o/bird: [12:54] fire\ohyeahdome/bird :) [12:54] macavity: any cool sounding/looking words in danish that would make a good nick? [12:55] fire|bird: firebröt :) [12:55] C_Tux: things with slashes won't work, it stops the nick at the first slash and uses that. [12:55] fire|bird: fire-oh-yeah-do-me-bird then :) [12:55] C_Tux: I had my nick in hebrew yesterday, but for those who don't have utf enabled, it'd be a pain in the rear. [12:55] hahahaha [12:56] gbonvehi1 (n=xcietok@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:56] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [12:56] fire bird in hebrew: ćŮäŐč ÔĐé [12:56] fire|bird: just /nick fire_away :) [12:57] fire|bird: ok, so I have to fix utf8 here [12:57] C_Tux: oh gosh no, I'd get kicked [12:57] gbonvehim (n=xcietok@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [12:57] C_Tux: try tab completion on that. :P [12:57] fire|bird: hahaha :P [12:57] nobody could kick you because nobody could figure out how to type your nick? [12:58] C_Tux: I'd have 282 angry people after me. :) [12:58] err, 281 [12:58] Urchlay: good point [12:58] no, 282 because slackboy counts for two ;) [12:58] fire|bird: you shouldnt solely on me for that.. i *could* find something just for you ;-) [12:58] Urchlay: do you see that nick, or don't you have utf set up yet? [12:58] Urchlay: except slackboy ;) [12:58] my font doesn't have hebrew characters [12:58] the firebröt comes out fine [12:59] Urchlay: that's probably why I can't see it either [12:59] Urchlay: what does it show up as then? [12:59] fire|bird: but no, not any that i can think of atm [12:59] is OK, I wouldn't be able to read hebrew even if I could view it [12:59] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [12:59] macavity: ok, thanks. :) [12:59] ö is classical german so it's likely to be ok [12:59] I can read aleph in hebrew [12:59] řćĺ [12:59] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:59] fire|bird: the "missing glyph" character (solid circle with questionmark) [12:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number#Aleph-null [13:00] macavity: whoa, what's that? [13:00] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] macavity: displays fine here [13:00] fire|bird: ř = oe, ć = ae, and ĺ is probably something like ä [13:00] It displays fine here too, I'm just wondering what it is. [13:00] řćĺ <--- o with slash, ae, a with halo [13:00] yes [13:01] nordic character, "ae", and the last one, I dunno [13:01] I see Urchlay's but macavity's is broken, and my client should support it [13:01] must be my font [13:01] lol [13:01] a mřřse řnce bit mi sister [13:01] lřl [13:02] antiwire: I just copy/pasted macavity's, wonder why you can't see his if you can see the copy of it [13:02] dunno [13:02] maybe he has bad joojoo [13:03] mřjř [13:04] somewhat on the same topic: anyone know if there's a way to coax "strings" into only displaying strings of printable ASCII (modern versions do unicode too, but that causes it to interpret binary junk as "printable" characters) [13:04] mřfř? [13:05] same thing, I can read Urchlay's but not macavity's [13:06] bizarre [13:06] that's really odd, you should be able to see both. [13:06] mine are "special" :P [13:07] that's alright macavity, yřu keep thinking that way. ;) [13:07] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:07] you guys ever taken a look at this? http://www.eyeos.org [13:08] macavity: google doesn't translate well, it says fire bird in danish is: brand fugl :P [13:08] fire|bird: ! [13:08] agni|pakshi :) [13:08] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.2) joined ##slackware. [13:08] macavity: when, as you said, it should be: ildfugl [13:09] Nick change: fire|bird -> init[2] [13:09] :O [13:09] omg [13:09] IgnitedAvian [13:09] _dTd_ (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] init[1]: scary eh? [13:09] hahaha ignitedavian [13:09] init[2]: "brand" refers to buildings/things *on* fire [13:09] nope :P [13:10] Nick change: init[2] -> fire|bird [13:10] init[2]: what about agni|pakshi [13:10] macavity: Ah, ok. [13:10] confrey (n=dario@94.163.189.128) joined ##slackware. [13:10] hm. I picture a bird that's on fire (like a phoenix), so maybe "brand" is right [13:10] agni|pakshi? what's that a translation of, and what language? [13:10] fire|bird: change it to MotherGoose and everyone will love you :D [13:10] fire|bird: its in hindi [13:10] agni meens fire [13:11] init[1]: Ah, ok. [13:11] pakshi means bird [13:11] Nick change: fire|bird -> agni|pakshi [13:11] :) [13:11] how about... FEARbird? [13:11] no, MotherGoose is better [13:11] Nick change: agni|pakshi -> bird|of|fear [13:11] :) [13:12] anyone know what the english spelling of firebird in hebrew would be? [13:12] Nick change: bird|of|fear -> FEARbird [13:12] Hmm [13:12] what's the old saying? "birds of a feather wear lots of leather", something like that? [13:12] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] antler: hahaha, oh man. [13:12] lol [13:13] I've only ever heard "birds of a feather flock together" [13:13] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] i heard that drinking is awesome [13:13] i heard it from me [13:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Urchlay: If that's the case, I need to get away from any nick with bird in it. :) [13:13] right [13:13] FEARbird: no|fear [13:13] FEARbird: icefox [13:14] DalekOnCrack [13:14] Nick change: FEARbird -> feu [13:14] argh [13:14] that didn't work [13:14] Slack|fear :P feu [13:14] Nick change: feu -> feu|d [13:14] what the [13:14] try MootherGoose. you'll like it [13:14] feu|d: girlycat [13:15] yumyumyum rum rumrum in my tummy [13:15] MotherGoose [13:15] C_Tux: I was trying this: feu d'oiseaux [13:15] feu|d: I_m_your_bitch [13:15] feu|d: lol, no space ;p [13:15] Nick change: init[1] -> Slack|monk [13:15] Nick change: feu|d -> antler|2-point-0 [13:15] :D [13:15] but it's "oiseau de feu" [13:15] hahaha [13:15] antler|2-point-0: bah, you suck, go back to 1.0 ! [13:15] C_Tux: again, google sucks with translations. ;) [13:16] Nick change: antler|2-point-0 -> fear|bird [13:16] Action: macavity is about to put a +b on any nick change the next 20 minutes :P [13:16] antler|2-point-0: you forgot the translation I gave you ;) [13:16] macavity: lol [13:16] macavity: :) [13:16] give me a chance to roll back [13:16] C_Tux: which one was that? [13:16] Nick change: Slack|monk -> init[1] [13:16] Nick change: fear|bird -> firebird619 [13:16] you all have a free pass for .2 ľseconds [13:16] Nick change: spook -> macavityisawesom [13:17] Nick change: antler -> MotherGoose [13:17] lul< [13:17] firebird619: I had already given you 'oiseau de feu' ;) [13:17] :) [13:17] *lulz [13:17] now gather around, children, and listen to what i have to say. [13:17] macavityisawesom: you suck up. :P [13:17] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:17] Action: firebird619 hits MotherGoose with a newspaper [13:17] macavity: you sit next to firebird619. [13:18] and be nice. [13:18] Action: C_Tux imagines all the other channels which see dozens of meaningless nick changes [13:18] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-170-14.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [13:18] C_Tux: no talking out of turn. [13:18] Action: IonShark waves at the channel [13:18] MotherGoose: where is father goose ? [13:19] dontcha wish your nick was cool like mine. :P [13:19] Nick change: NaCl -> SpanishInquisitr [13:19] Nick change: MotherGoose -> TableSalt [13:19] :p lol...firebird lol [13:19] firebird619: whois dontcha? [13:19] Nick change: macavityisawesom -> spook [13:19] Nick change: TableSalt -> spooks [13:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:20] Action: SpanishInquisitr straps spooks to the comfy chair [13:20] noone expects the spanish inquisition! [13:20] Nick change: IonShark -> The-Croupier [13:20] so we're playing musical nicks now? [13:20] oh noes! [13:20] oh yoes [13:20] Urchlay: haha, why not. [13:20] spooks: whois dontcha? [13:21] lol. this is funnier because i have nickchanges not displayed [13:21] dontcha is a word. :) [13:21] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] spook: same here ;) lol [13:21] so is aint, apparentlf [13:21] Action: The-Croupier waves again at the channel with the new nick [13:21] spook: haha, I bet that's fun. [13:21] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:22] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [13:23] this stuff is strong enough to strip paint. [13:23] Gnosologist (n=Gnosolog@unaffiliated/gnosologist) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:23] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> NaCl [13:23] Well, things seem to have calmed down now. :) [13:23] Nick change: antiwire -> omgwtfgtfobbq [13:24] omgwtfgtfobbq: orly? :) [13:24] the bbq needs to go before the gtfo [13:24] Nick change: spooks -> antler [13:24] Nick change: omgwtfgtfobbq -> antiwire [13:25] Nick change: antler -> Aunti-Wire [13:25] ? [13:25] lol [13:25] Nick change: Aunti-Wire -> Auntie-Wire [13:25] Nick change: NaCl -> Uncle-Wire [13:25] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:25] Nick change: C_Tux -> DobbsHead [13:25] Nick change: firebird619 -> Under-Wire [13:25] :D [13:26] hi! [13:26] bow down before me for I am a head without neck [13:26] togtfo [13:26] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-189.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:26] Nick change: Uncle-Wire -> NaCl [13:26] Nick change: Under-Wire -> firebird619 [13:27] oh nice, nobody stole my nick :) [13:27] Nick change: firebird619 -> C_Tux [13:27] you mean this one? [13:27] This is interesting to think about http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/07/electromagnetic_leak.jpg [13:27] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-43.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Nick change: C_Tux -> firebird619 [13:27] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:27] i haz the confuze! [13:28] woah. what's going on here <_< [13:28] amazon10x: a ton of craziness [13:28] macavity: oh noes, you're confuzed? [13:28] firebird619: I'm still correct, nobody using my nick -_- [13:28] DobbsHead: Yeah, I switched back because I'm guessing you have it enforced and I'd become a Guest####### :) [13:29] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-51-28.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:29] firebird619: "enforced" ? [13:29] Oh, you don't know what that means. [13:29] I don' get it [13:30] It's something you can set in Freenode so if someone tries to use your nick, they have to identify with your password in 30 seconds or they are changed to Guest(random_number_here) [13:30] firebird619: nope, not using that [13:30] (and not lying) [13:31] hmmm, "no lie" that is [13:31] quick, someone get his nick. :) [13:31] I like DobbsHead, I might register it :) [13:32] go for it [13:32] illuz1oN` (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [13:32] all of my problems with that intel graphics based system and X were because of the intel drivers. vesa works fine [13:32] this is very disheartening [13:33] I tried the newer mesa and the newer intel xorg drivers too. [13:33] and kernel? [13:33] antiwire: what is wrong with mesa/vesa..? [13:33] both kernels [13:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:33] my own kernel and the stock kernel, same result [13:33] antiwire: xorg log ? [13:33] ... [13:33] nothing in the log. [13:34] firebird619: I might dropp Camarade_Tux as it's a pretty long nick [13:34] and strace doesn't show anything useful either [13:34] I don't think you're worthy of using DobbsHead [13:34] DobbsHead: cool [13:34] Nick change: firebird619 -> fbird619 [13:35] DobbsHead: it isn't registered, better go grab it. :) [13:38] antiwire: right, that's the problem ;) [13:38] fbird619: already two nicks registered [13:38] third might hurt... [13:38] DobbsHead: drop one. [13:38] does anyone here use Samba for printer sharing? [13:39] phroggy: I do. [13:39] phroggy: and cupsd [13:39] and everything works, just like it's supposed to? [13:39] phroggy: perfectly. [13:39] fbird619: but nobody trying to hijack my nickname, makes me sad, feels like it's worth nothing ='( [13:39] The-Croupier: you can only have 2 nicks per e-mail address. [13:39] I wonder why mine's broken then. [13:39] DobbsHead: don't feel bad. :) [13:40] ='( [13:40] phroggy: that depends on many factors. [13:40] oooh, hold on, I forgot to run slackpkg upgrade-all [13:40] and there are new versions of both cups and samba [13:40] lemme see if that fixes it. [13:40] (of course it shouldn't... but it shouldn't be broken!) [13:40] phroggy: your nickname?!!! [13:41] what? [13:42] phroggy: nothing, that was probably due to the recent nickname war ;) [13:43] http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2682654/idiocracy_opening_sequence/ [13:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [13:44] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] fbird619: pleeeaaaase, take my nick :'( [13:48] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:48] holy crap. [13:48] after fighting with it ALL DAY yesterday [13:49] all I had to do was update to the latest patches. [13:49] =) [13:50] now let's see if I can actually print something... [13:50] hey, you guys might be able to answer a question for me... [13:50] I'm working on a fork of pkgtools [13:50] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] and I noticed you can use $ROOT to change where a package is installed [13:51] cupsaddsmb still fails and it looks like they still haven't fixed the infinite loop bug... [13:51] sitwon: why fork pkgtools? [13:51] but in the do-inst.sh of some packages it links files to absolute paths [13:51] Nick change: fbird619 -> C_Tux [13:51] :) [13:51] DobbsHead: mostly as an experiment, I wasnt to have Depot or Stow-style installing [13:51] C_Tux (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:51] \o/ [13:51] C_Tux (n=fire|bir@173-17-137-86.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:52] C_Tux (n=fire|bir@173-17-137-86.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:52] :D [13:52] sitwon: ok [13:52] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:52] :P [13:52] sorry ;p [13:52] what the heck happened. [13:52] you've been ghosted :) [13:52] you should be [13:53] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_(IRC) [13:53] shouldn't makepkg write a do-inst.sh with $ROOT before any absolute paths so that if you're using "ROOT=/somewhere/else installpkg *.tgz" the links point to the right place? [13:53] sitwon: maybe it uses chroot [13:54] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] DobbsHead: yeah, I know what ghost and release are. You forgot release though, it just disconnected me and rejoined me as C_Tux. :) [13:55] DobbsHead: I set ROOT="/home/adam/fake-root" and used installpkg to install inn-*.tgz and found a broken link in /home/adam/fakeroot/usr/bin [13:55] DobbsHead: I only wanted to kick you ;) [13:55] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [13:55] DobbsHead: Well, you were successful. :) [13:56] DobbsHead: btw, that was cruel. :P [13:56] ohsi... I think I figured it out. that ROOT= override is supposed to be for the install CD when it's installing packages to /mnt, once you chroot or boot the system the links would be correct. [13:57] fire|bird: thanks for /nick'ing :) [13:57] Nick change: DobbsHead -> C_Tux [13:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Dinde: you are NOT welcome. :P [13:59] argh [13:59] you changed it [14:00] C_Tux: you are NOT welcome. :P [14:00] Dinde? that means goose in french? can we eat you? =) [14:00] C_Tux: tab completion fail [14:00] fire|bird ='( [14:01] That's actually a nick in here though. :) [14:01] hmmm, we have toast10101, we have Dinde, we need FoieGras and Champagne now :) [14:02] I can't change nicks now [14:02] it won't work. [14:02] C_Tux: You broke it. [14:02] :( [14:03] fire|bird: you can try Camarade_Tux :) [14:03] the heck I will. [14:03] Nick change: fire|bird -> firebird619 [14:03] Hmm, that works [14:03] Nick change: firebird619 -> f|r3b|r6 [14:04] Ah, apparently freenode doesn't like ! in nicks. [14:05] www.staplescenter.com [14:05] frioend asked me to get hi tickets [14:05] him tickets to michael jackson memorial, uh [14:05] why do they run iis, asp shit ? [14:05] is that what the world has come to ? [14:05] thumbs: alright, so you've got Samba working with CUPS, and now I do too. Next question: do you have a print$ share, and do you have it set up so Windows can automatically install drivers? [14:06] phroggy: let me see what I have [14:06] phroggy: and no, I don't provide the drivers. Windows does. [14:07] alright. [14:07] Nick change: f|r3b|r6 -> fire|bird [14:08] phroggy: I just share a printer and use path = /var/spool/samba [14:08] phroggy: and use client driver = yes [14:08] phroggy: of course, printing = cups [14:09] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [14:09] yeah, that's working fine now [14:09] hmmm, english people are all going to die :) [14:09] phroggy: so what's the problem? [14:09] C_Tux: pardon me? [14:09] umm [14:10] when I add a printer in Windows, it makes me choose a driver manually; I want to put the drivers on the server so Windows can find them automatically. cupsaddsmb is supposed to do this, but I can't get it to work. [14:10] phroggy: ah. I didn't bother with that. [14:10] thumbs: flu [14:10] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-63.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [14:11] what does being English have to do with that? [14:12] It's not some English only flu... [14:12] thumbs: thanks anyway. :-) [14:13] you have no idea how many hours I fought with this thing, trying to get Samba to see my printers. [14:13] I feel dumb now. [14:13] woot, finally done with slackware. [14:13] antiwire: antiwire health minister said 100_000 new contamination could happen per day by the end of august [14:13] Got everything working :). Sound, ATI drivers, xfce4, inet. [14:13] looks like im never bootin windows again ^.^ [14:14] illuz1oN`: nice. [14:14] Nick change: illuz1oN` -> illuz1oN [14:14] I don't know how I got the XFi drivers working. [14:14] I just restarted and suddenly my music played. :D [14:14] High_Priest (n=Mean@cable-89-216-149-185.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:14] just one thing, where do I change the default keyboard map? [14:14] High_Priest (n=Mean@cable-89-216-149-185.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [14:15] illuz1oN: concerning what I heard about the drivers for that card, it's a miracle ;) [14:15] C_Tux: they said that, as in an estimate. If you had payed attention to the first round of FUD and this flu you'd realize that this false panic is a common theme in this topic [14:15] offtopic question... but is www.geocaching.com resolving for anybody ? tried a bunch of different machines and online lookup services, none works [14:15] The XFi works in Linux? I thought that it was specifically broken? [14:15] Yeah C_Tux, they truly are a REALL bitch. [14:15] ie: defective by design. [14:15] Which is why I still don't have a fucking clue how I managed to get it working. [14:16] But, it's put a indefinite smile on my face. [14:16] illuz1oN: it's he slackware magic [14:16] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [14:16] s/he /the / [14:16] I knew there was a reason I always felt comfortable with slackware :P [14:17] and I've tried nearly every distro I can think of >.< [14:17] eviljames: new driver for a few months [14:17] oh, neat. [14:17] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Oh, is there? [14:17] I'm using 1.0.US or something now. [14:17] fire|bird: hahah never give me power I immediately abuse it. [14:17] eviljames: no doubt, you little...... [14:17] heh :P [14:18] C_Tux, where is this information? [14:18] just remember, I haz ops to, my revenge shall rain upon you someday. [14:18] eviljames: ^^^^ [14:18] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:19] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Do I need the rather large directory of /lib/modules/2.6.24.5-smp if I no longer have or run that kernel? (I'm guessing this is the everything-kernel from back when I installed?) [14:19] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [14:20] illuz1oN: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzI3MA [14:20] briareus: no [14:20] cheers [14:21] thank you. just wanted to check before I murdered it [14:22] eviljames: try joining again. [14:24] changelog is down... ?? [14:25] hahaha I should've pheared your vengeance. [14:25] campassi: slackware.com is down [14:25] campassi: slackware 13rc1 announced [14:25] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [14:25] just for you C_Tux [14:25] eviljames: now you know what KB does. :) [14:25] slackware.com is up for me [14:25] when was 13rc1 announced?? [14:25] oh crap, sorry C_Tux, it was in my cache [14:26] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [14:26] campassi: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/slackware.com [14:26] down for me too [14:26] campassi: hehe :P [14:26] hehe, sorry about that [14:26] campassi: yesterday or the day before [14:26] main page was in cache for me too at some point ;) [14:26] why is it down [14:26] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt [14:26] eviljames: can you join again yet? [14:26] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [14:27] fire|bird: nope, still banned. [14:27] fire|bird: /unban btw :P [14:27] eviljames: I did that, it doesn't work. [14:27] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] ah, i read that as RC2 [14:27] fire|bird: first type /bans and get the ban number. Then unban it :P [14:27] who/what banned ? [14:27] C_Tux: ignore us, we're fools. [14:27] C_Tux: I kickbanned eviljames from #studios :) [14:27] you read "release candidate #1" as RC2? O.o [14:28] C_Tux: he was being obnoxious. [14:28] thumbs: http://rlworkman.net/mozilla-firefox/ [14:28] XP [14:28] thumbs: you'll need to get the source youreself though [14:28] btw, what's #studios ? [14:28] yeah, thrice`. for some reason i expected rc0 == 1, rc1 == 2 [14:28] hahahah all I did was kick fire|bird, and laugh about how power corrupts. give me an inch, I'll take a mile. [14:28] eviljames: ok, try again. [14:28] and yes, bob (slackware.com) is down. That's all the info I have. [14:28] hm, interresting logic :O [14:28] yeah, brain fart [14:28] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [14:28] rworkman: just to answer some questions, ff 3.5 won't make it in slackware13, right ? [14:28] rworkman: muchos gracias [14:29] C_Tux: its a project myself, eviljames, dtanner are working on. brklynRednek is also there testing, etc. [14:29] rworkman++ [14:29] C_Tux: I don't know yet. [14:29] can anyone build a firefox addon for me from trunk, i dont have the necessary crap [14:29] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:30] rworkman: oh, ok [14:30] fire|bird: project about what? :D [14:30] come on comrad! [14:30] C_Tux: audio production on Slackware. [14:30] jeev: I won't but why don't you have the required bits? [14:30] C_Tux: Studio software, recording / engineering / mixing etc. [14:31] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [14:31] Pretty much the net result of a bunch of music nerds sitting in a channel :P [14:31] eviljames, fire|bird, ok, nice :) [14:32] I was wondering if the name had anything to do with ubuntu studio, you ubuntards clones :D [14:32] It'll be similar, except good. [14:32] s/good/great/ [14:32] i dont feel like seeing what i need [14:32] ;D [14:33] jeev: you're on ##slackware, nobody's gonna make your own work [14:33] oh nevermind [14:33] it worked on linux ;D [14:33] damn bsd [14:33] Action: Urchlay stands up. Music nerd, yo! [14:33] y0 Urchlay [14:34] fire|bird: playing a show in about 5 hours [14:34] eviljames, fire|bird, that's really great, hmm, wait [14:34] Urchlay: nice. [14:34] belstar (n=belstar@ip98-180-223-132.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] C_Tux: wait what? [14:34] http://code.google.com/p/slamedia/ [14:34] aware of that? [14:34] sex [14:34] and great because I'll be able to redirect more people to slackware [14:34] asked the guy "are we having practice before the show?", he says "The show Friday *is* the practice for the Sunday show" [14:34] how come i can't get to the slackware changelogs today? [14:35] heh Urchlay, do you get get paid [14:35] belstar: slackware.com down [14:35] Urchlay: hahah isn't that the truth. [14:35] Tyrael_ (n=bart@81.215.70.142) joined ##slackware. [14:35] eviljames, what do you think about this insurance thing that's happening [14:35] reform [14:35] C_Tux: Hadn't seen that before, but it looks like it hasn't been touched in quite a while. [14:35] jeev: I don't think medicine belongs in the private sector at all, if that's what you're referring to. [14:35] what is this stuff in /root/.ccache? [14:36] C_Tux: is it regular maintenance or is something wrong [14:36] jeev: Private insurance companies are a sick joke (pun intended). [14:36] belstar: dunno [14:36] yea, people being healthy shouldn't be profitable to others [14:36] eviljames: this will be a lot of fun [14:36] eviljames: well, last update a few month ago [14:36] and... [14:36] 11:32 < rworkman> and yes, bob (slackware.com) is down. That's all the info I have. [14:36] eviljames: I haven't even met the drummer yet :) [14:37] eviljames: We already have alot more audio stuff then that site C_Tux gave has. [14:37] and I've been pointed to slamedia in May by buggaboo who maintains it [14:37] what is this stuff in /root/.ccache? [14:37] Urchlay: Even better! I love those types of jams. Have you even heard any of the music yet? [14:37] you might want to ping him [14:37] briareus: man ccache [14:37] C_Tux: I will, but he's not online. [14:37] eviljames: yep, saw that too [14:38] eviljames: it's a bunch of covers, the guy sent me a list, I worked out at least the basics [14:38] fire|bird: Good, we can just adopt the project :D [14:38] C_Tux: what happens if I nuke it? is it like a users .configs where it will be replicated when required? [14:38] fire|bird: and goddamn do I (we) need to do some web design work :P [14:38] eviljames: :) [14:38] eviljames: one of the songs is "Gimme 3 Steps" by Lynyrd Skynyrd, I'm not going to try to learn that guy's bass line note-for-note (listen to it, it's amazing, for such a simple song) [14:39] fire|bird: I think I'm going to do that this weekend, or possibly tonight.. not sure exactly, but I should have a few hours to myself soon. [14:39] eviljames: I've been thinking about changes to the guide again, it all can look alot nicer/smoother. [14:39] briareus: nothing, it's a cache, it's meant to speed things up but that's it [14:39] C_Tux: thanks. that's kinda what I thought after perusing that man ccache [14:39] eviljames: When it is all done though, it's gonna look great. :) [14:40] btw, too bad pat isnt going for kernel 2.6.30 (alot of ext4 fixes in there) [14:40] For sure! [14:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-43.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] I'm rolling 2.6.30.1 right now [14:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [14:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-138.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] eviljames: I've been testing the guide here against -current, so far it's looking good, then I figured I'd try more editing of the web page stuff, at least the guide anyway. [14:41] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-170-207.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:42] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:42] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:42] fire|bird: I'm going to migrate my desktop to -current this weekend. (which means I'll have to put 12.2 on the laptop or be hanged :P) [14:42] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.160.119) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [14:42] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-68-244.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] eviljames: haha. :) [14:43] yop, finally debugged my code :) [14:43] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.2) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-48-99.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:43] C_Tux: code drunk, debug sober? [14:44] eviljames: nope, regexp, was missing a '+' ;p [14:44] Tyrael_: the important ext4 fixes are in 2.6.29.6 also [14:44] When you have a problem, and you use a regex to fix it, you then just have 2 problems. [14:44] There must've been a better solution! :P [14:44] 2.6.20.x has too many unknowns still [14:44] er, s/20/30/ [14:45] orly? What kind of unknowns? [14:45] eviljames: I just needed to deconstruct 'libsoup-2.4.so.1" ;) [14:45] 2.6.30 runs great on my slackware 12.1 install :) [14:45] I ran into an ugly bug here with it and lilo [14:45] Easily fixed once you figure out what's going on though [14:45] rworkman: I'm pretty sure it was your configuration, noob. [14:45] nope :) [14:46] ok robby [14:46] I had no lilo issues :P [14:46] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [14:46] Action: thumbs goes to compile FF 3.5 now [14:46] juice: you don't have a generic kernel with initrd either :) [14:46] next volkerdi join : eviljames tells volkerdi he's an ubuntard :) [14:46] rworkman: heh, well, it's better to be safe I guess. I thought .30 was where the back-end stuff for DRI2 was coming in as well? [14:46] yeah I just copied the .config from the default kernel and rebuilt it [14:47] Basically, lilo doesn't reserve enough space for the uncompressed kernel image, so you have to add "large-memory" to lilo.conf [14:47] i was lazy I normally strip it down to what I need [14:47] Whether that introduces any other issues, we don't know. It's only a problem on x86_64 though [14:47] not 32bit? [14:47] eviljames: the DRI2 stuff is still in too much flux in the xorg tree anyway [14:47] thumbs: nope [14:47] umm. [14:48] thumbs: you can imagine the fun I had debugging that. [14:48] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6239.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] The rest of the team was going "WFM" [14:48] :( [14:48] "wtf is wfm \n Gee... I don't know what wfm means..." =/ [14:48] and apparently it's not *always* an issue on x86_64, because at least one other didn't have it there. [14:49] All our .configs were identical too : [14:49] wow. [14:49] C_Tux: Works For Me [14:49] oh, right, I was thinking like Workman For Money but that didn't make much sense :D [14:49] See, you guys never see that side of things - the utter *fails* that we experience so that you don't have to :) [14:50] psuas [14:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] rworkman: I am eager to switch to 13 to run 64bit :) [14:50] WFA would have made more sense [14:51] Works For Asshole? :) [14:51] workman fails again [14:51] rworkman: thanks for spending hours debugging it so we don't even have to wonder :) [14:51] Tyrael_: ah :) [14:51] thumbs: it's quite nice :) [14:52] but indeed, rather have a 100% working 2.6.29.6 than a 90% 2.6.30 [14:52] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-48-99.btc-net.bg) left irc: "01001110 01100101 01110010 01100100 00100001" [14:52] does A=$(command) work in makefile already? [14:53] I was in a bit of a pickle at the time too. I *needed* newer firmware for my iwlagn 5100 wireless chipset (to fix an OOPS under heavy network load), but the newer firmware requires the 2.6.30.x firmware loader stuff [14:53] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-80-5.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] C_Tux: hrrm, from memory, I think you have to shell that. I dont' recall the exact syntax, but something like A = shell $(command) [14:54] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-130.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] Of course, I may be wrong entirely. [14:54] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-80-5.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] now the only thing that I need to get working is a unattended network install :P [14:55] rworkman: Yeah, all the xorg stuff is in heavy flux right now. With KPackard taking the reins I figured it would have been more organized and on schedule... [14:55] phroggy (n=phroggy@webwizardry.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:55] rworkman: But xorg is notoriously behind schedule (per usual :P) [14:55] rworkman: found some makefile and `command` works, I never used "shell" [14:56] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:56] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-23-221.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:56] eviljames: it's even worse than you realize :/ [14:56] C_Tux: okay, cool :) [14:56] Glad I was wrong :) [14:57] rworkman: I'm on the list, unless there's another xorg mailing list that I don't subscribe to.. [14:57] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.177) joined ##slackware. [14:57] eviljames: devicekit-devel is a good one. [14:57] The Hal-ectomy is causing lots of issues. [14:57] Wiren- (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Whatever, input hotness is going to be great! It's worth the flux. [14:57] Lots of fussing about the proper place to do things, or whether there *is* a proper place in existence [14:57] MPX + Input Hotness is going to be win win winwinwinwinwiwnwinwnw.... [14:58] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-138.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Success [14:58] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:58] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] e.g. backlight setting. Right now, it's done in HAL. The future is xrandr, but it only works (for some value of "work" that's influenced by moon phases and tea prices in Kazakistan) on the intel drivers [14:58] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.209.134) joined ##slackware. [14:59] rworkman: you're not necessarily right, it's make, backticks work, "shell" might work, $() might work too, "pouetpouetouechouech" might work too ;p [14:59] rworkman: x resize and rotate doesn't seem like the appropriate place for backlight settings. [14:59] mpx > fun [15:00] eviljames: I'm staying out of it. The freedesktop.org^Wgnome guys have the market on deciding what is and isn't the right place/way to do things. [15:00] ++C_Tux; I refused to believe that until I got an ipod touch (I was a diehard keyboard-only guy.. I even hate the mouse) [15:00] Now I'm in favour of multi-touch [15:00] Trying to discuss it is just "whining" from the "small" and "insignificant" distributions who "don't have real C knowledge" [15:01] eviljames: ipod? bah? check what a cowon s9 can do ;) [15:01] like 50 hours of battery life ;) [15:01] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [15:01] Action: eviljames feels the boner rising... [15:01] Why haven't I heard of this before?! [15:01] Anyway, afk for a bit [15:01] AnTourter (n=artourte@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [15:01] rworkman: have fun dude, thanks for the infos. [15:02] rworkman: I used to be able to use pcmanfm as a lightweight file browser (actually put it so other have a file manager), but now it is going to require gnome bits because of freedesktop.org =/ [15:02] rm -rf linux-2.6.29/ [15:02] eviljames: and one of the best sound quality ;) [15:02] argh [15:02] wassup gents [15:03] dtanner: fail. :P [15:03] but does it run linux? And can I get a beowulf cluster? And other assorted /. meme? [15:03] and ladies of course [15:03] dtanner: how's it going? [15:03] mouse happy fire|bird [15:03] heh [15:03] lol [15:04] dtanner: until today, eviljames didn't know you gave him ops, upon that news, he kicked me. My revenge, I kickbanned him, but all is well now. :) [15:04] eviljames: it has a double processor, 500Mhz, guess you can put linux on that (is probably a MIPS) [15:04] fire|bird: snicker [15:04] yo dtanner [15:04] dtanner: power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. :D [15:05] I'm wanting to order stuff from Chinavasion.com .. anybody tried before? Is it worth the $? [15:05] on a private channel, a friend of mine op'ed me, I immediately kicked him :) [15:05] C_Tux: That's _exactly_ what I did! Great minds think alike! [15:06] s/Great/Evil/ ;) [15:06] eviljames: but we didn't intend to harm anyone, we only needed to test these commands -_- [15:06] eviljames: i have heard that somwewhere =) [15:07] dtanner: on this channel ;) [15:07] C_Tux: After he kicked me, I learned kickban real quick. ;) Good ol irssi had it aliased to kb. :) [15:07] C_Tux: i think it was someones /quit message [15:08] yep, Cann0n mentionned that on May 31 [15:08] fire|bird: haha :p [15:08] dtanner: not here [15:08] I've heard that saying before, eviljames said it to me. :) [15:08] Action: eviljames <- corrupt [15:09] oh, i'm more corrupt [15:09] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-140-219.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] spook: you have more power than I? [15:09] evil corrupts, and eviljames corrupts james? [15:09] hmmm, #corruptgayg33ks :) [15:09] dammit, apparently Abstinence-only sex education has caused an increase in condomless sex among teens. [15:09] i corrupt children [15:10] Action: eviljames was born 10 years too early [15:10] yeah its really stupid [15:10] Not to mention saddlebacking [15:10] corruption is what this great country was founded upon and it seems as if it has been a growing trend [15:10] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-91ac61e74bbec745) left irc: [15:13] :P [15:13] corruption is fucked up.. unless you are in on it :P [15:14] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:14] Here's the thing about that, I fully believe it is possible for the citizens to stop all those shenanigans. [15:14] You know what the penalty was in Beijing for accepting bribes in relation to sponsorship contracts for the Olympics? [15:14] Guess. [15:14] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] looking at a pic of eviljames nacked ? [15:16] Uh, it was a penalty, not a prize. [15:16] haha [15:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:16] 3am... [15:17] eviljames: I heard some audio recordings : "zii gogglsss, zi dho nö-ting!" [15:17] spook: time to get drunk :) [15:17] C_Tux: who said i wasnt [15:17] spook: time to get drunker :D [15:18] i'm very dunked [15:19] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] eviljames, I have seen your pic. and its a penalty [15:19] spook: not enough I guess, you should get so drunk you immediately fall asleep [15:20] C_Tux: hate you too [15:20] I cant get drunk tonight [15:20] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:20] sux2bu [15:20] Tyrael_: Methinks you doth protest too much. [15:20] sex > drunk [15:20] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-140-219.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm not a quitter, I just had to go" [15:20] l2 drunksex [15:20] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-140-219.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] eviljames: gooogle told me : http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/George-Soros_Dr-Evil.jpg [15:21] There's a balance to be struck with drunksex. I have to be drunk enough that it's fun, but not so drunk that the violence comes out in me. At that point it's only fun for me. [15:21] If I'm rlly drunk, I sleep before I'm even able to walk to my wife spook [15:22] l2 drunk [15:22] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:22] :P [15:22] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] eviljames: google also told me to look at http://weblog.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Pride2005/RockyHorror.jpg and http://weblog.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Pride2005/Nuns.jpg : D [15:24] Oh man! How'd you get that picture of me in a nun costume?! [15:24] lol. [15:24] eviljames: google, only google -_- [15:26] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:27] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-155-245.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:28] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-143-185.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:32] cmair (n=cmair@host99-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [15:33] why? why me? why? [15:33] D-r_Flower: because you're the chosen one? :) [15:34] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] u wake up my mood [15:34] :) [15:34] hmmmm, after C_Tux posted those pictures it became silent here [15:34] everyone is fapping ? [15:35] lol [15:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:35] i know you are. [15:35] well [15:35] you see it wrong spook, I'm getting fapped [15:35] That's what happens when people post noods of me. Everyone faps. [15:35] i accidentally pasted an equation into ALL cells of an scalc spreadsheet and now everything is locked up [15:36] can't switch vts, can't ssh [15:36] You can't ssh in and kill the process? [15:36] harddrive indicator is going batshit [15:36] eviljames, i started the ssh about..... five minutes ago [15:36] still hasn't logged in [15:37] remote reboot > [15:37] ? [15:37] but i can't ssh [15:37] no APC access ? [15:37] just wait [15:37] apc? [15:37] it's swapping like crazy [15:37] yeah i can hear it thrashing [15:38] eventually either it'll finish what it's doing, or it'll consume too much virtual memory and the kernel will OOM-kill it [15:38] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-243.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Well that would be nice [15:38] i guess i'll make lunch [15:38] it could take hours hiptobecubic [15:38] so happy lunch and prey [15:38] Maybe weeks [15:39] naw [15:39] unless he's got a huuuuge swap partition [15:39] indeed [15:39] 1.4 gb i think [15:39] if you have alt-sysrq in the kernel, you could use that [15:39] it can take up to a year than :) [15:39] hold alt-sysrq, hit S S S U B [15:39] cmair (n=cmair@host99-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:39] Urchlay, alt-sysrq.. i never really understood it [15:40] Magic SysRq key is magic. [15:40] three s's a u and a b? [15:40] alt-sysrq-S means "sync (flush) all write to disk". With U it means "umount all filesystems and remount read-only". With B it means "reboot *right now*" [15:40] yeah [15:40] http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/07/stephen-hawking-the-planet-has-entered-a-new-phase-of-evolution.html <- usually when he speaks I listen. [15:40] Urchlay: there should be something less radical than sub [15:41] C_Tux: there probably is [15:41] just kill the processess [15:41] he can't [15:41] i pressed them but nothing happened [15:41] with SysRq ;) [15:41] ssh still hasn't responded [15:41] oh wait [15:41] he can't get a shell due to excessive system load + swap [15:41] now the screen has garbled [15:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key <- that should help [15:41] sysrq can kill everything but init [15:41] aha it finally switched vts! [15:41] C_Tux: what's the key for that? [15:41] and Alt+SysRq+r could do it [15:42] trying to login... [15:42] e it seems [15:42] No [15:42] It's E [15:42] and I to forcibly terminate [15:42] or better : f [15:42] that calls oom_kill, hmm [15:43] F ooh I hadn't seen that before. Possibly O would do it [15:43] You're power button would do it as well. [15:43] but. Does the stock Slack kernel actually have magic sysrq support? [15:43] agentc0re: not cleanly (it would power off with the filesystems still mounted r/w) [15:43] agentc0re: s/you're/your/ [15:44] bah, minor detail. [15:44] eviljames: thanks. :) [15:44] Urchlay: tes [15:44] any time you go to type "you're" ask yourself: "If I write 'you are' does that make sense here?" [15:44] Action: eviljames <- pedantic [15:44] hiptobecubic: insist on Alt+SysRq+f [15:45] 'f'- Will call oom_kill to kill a memory hog process. [15:45] so it should hopefully do it [15:45] that might be all that's needed here [15:45] but. I ask again. Is there even support for sysrq in stock slack kernel? [15:45] There is [15:46] there should be [15:46] CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y [15:46] and alienBOB wakes up [15:46] I just didn't wanna actually press any of the magic keys to find out :) [15:46] I never sleep, but this channel is so full of kid talk that there is little reason to say anything [15:47] <[OpenSys]> when the 13.0 will become stable +/- ? [15:47] adeodatus (n=rp@92.82.68.175) left irc: Client Quit [15:47] when it's ready. [15:47] to our defense there haven't been many questions today [15:47] <[OpenSys]> :) right [15:48] [OpenSys]: Aside from that, I don't know. Your guess is a s good as any. If it helps, -current is rc1 now. [15:48] [OpenSys] it is stable when everyone is talking about it [15:48] cmair (n=cmair@host99-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:48] s/a s/as/ [15:49] <[OpenSys]> tanks [15:49] howitzers? :P [15:49] s/tanks/thanks/? [15:49] ??? [15:49] <[OpenSys]> thanks [15:49] <[OpenSys]> fire|bird, yes [15:50] [OpenSys]: :) [15:50] y0 acidchild [15:51] y0 [15:53] SSL is confusing oh so confusing [15:54] my wise statement of the day, bbl [15:58] [OpenSys]: rc1 is more stable than most other big distroes will ever be... time to test and report any tiny thingies you may notice before the big 13.0 launch [15:58] re sysrq, "sisub" is probably the magic sequence you want [15:59] <[OpenSys]> macavity, i use slackware at 9 years, i know to power of it [15:59] <[OpenSys]> ;) [15:59] <[OpenSys]> Slackware 13.0 will be released on July or probably in August. [15:59] <[OpenSys]> http://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2009/07/slackware-130-rc-1.html [15:59] Or not [15:59] unless something comes up [15:59] Like a dead server [15:59] so, as usual Slackware will be released When It Is Ready(TM) [16:00] <[OpenSys]> right, or a big fail of the 2.6.29 kernel [16:00] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@74-42-147-104.dsl0.clsm.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] s/fail/&ure/ [16:01] sh0ne (n=Unknown@nat.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [16:06] alienBOB: slackware.com's server physically died? [16:06] heat stroke? [16:07] Was it in the same building as authorize.net's? [16:07] I heard their data center has been on fire for a few hours now. [16:08] wow [16:09] i seeeeriously hope not [16:09] Action: macavity prays it is just a fried stick of RAM [16:10] tooly (n=tooly@e178166025.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [16:11] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [16:11] macavity: hopefully it's something like that. [16:12] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [16:12] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] anyhow.. time to do some damage [16:14] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] l8r ppl [16:15] yay for the kernel! [16:15] drink for me macavity :) [16:20] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [16:20] has anyone installed websphere portal on slackware? [16:21] <[OpenSys]> www.slackware.com is down ? [16:21] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [16:21] [OpenSys]: yes [16:22] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [16:22] <[OpenSys]> ... [16:22] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [16:23] .... [16:23] confrey (n=dario@94.163.189.128) left irc: "Sto andando via" [16:23] ....... [16:23] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:23] . ................................ [16:23] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] 1 while print "."; [16:25] dorin (n=dorin@89.123.176.6) joined ##slackware. [16:25] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) left irc: "Leaving" [16:25] hallo [16:26] is some sort of slackware 13 available now ? [16:26] hello dorin [16:26] 13rc1 [16:26] where [16:26] hallo dorin, wie get's? [16:26] the same place -current is always available [16:26] where , C_Tux ? [16:26] DeeeeP: your favorite mirror [16:27] DeeeeP: how long have you run slackware? [16:27] i have a question: how do i make $ ls -color=xxxx default ? [16:27] thrice`, since 3.2 or 3.3 , cant really remember [16:27] make an alias [16:27] :D [16:27] DeeeeP: then you should know that slackware HAS NEVER HAD RC MEDIA. [16:27] write it down [16:27] C_Tux: my favorite mirror hangs upon the wall, and tells me I am the leetest of them all :) [16:27] where? [16:27] :P [16:27] Urchlay: I want the same mirror ;) [16:28] ~/.bashrc or so [16:28] thrice`, k :) [16:28] I use slamd64's way of using login shells in X too but I'm still wondering of any pitfall (why wasn't it in slackware 12.2?) [16:28] i do not have that file,shoud i create a blank one? [16:28] yep [16:28] heh? I've always used login shells in X, ever since I first found out what a login shell is [16:29] DeeeeP: something like "alias ls='ls --color=blahblah' [16:29] no ill effect that I ever noticed (I suppose if I cared about /var/log/lastlog, I might get annoyed that it shows many logins per X session) [16:30] rworkman: crap. I just realized that I compiled FF 3.6 for sw64 :( [16:30] yep.that worked,tnx guis [16:30] Urchlay: yep, last time I tried 'last', it was awfull [16:30] guys * [16:30] or /var/log/[uw]tmp [16:30] s/ll/l/ [16:30] C_Tux: on my machines that run X, I am the only user [16:30] (or at least, the only user who uses X. Sometimes other folks get to ssh in for various reasons) [16:31] actually last doesn't show too many entries, must have been dreaming [16:31] one more think: i want to see (in my terminal) my current path [16:31] echo $PATH [16:31] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Connection timed out [16:33] i mean my current directory (like /home/somethink/ ) [16:33] pwd [16:34] ls columns... is ls -c [16:34] right? [16:34] meaning "print working directory", if that makes it easier to remember [16:34] or you mean, you want the current directory in your prompt? [16:35] export PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' <--- that'll do it [16:36] there's documentation on this, if you want to get fancy (the Bash-Prompt-HOWTO, installed in /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs if you installed it) [16:36] export PS1="%n@%m:%~%% " for people who use a good shell. [16:36] zsh version : PROMPT="%T %~%(?.. [%?]) %# " =) [16:36] eviljames: zsh ftw!!!! :) [16:36] hehe :P [16:36] heh I like how immediately after bash's version is posted the 3 biggest losers in the channel all reference zsh immediately :P [16:36] eviljames: why a % sign for zsh? isn't is a bourne-type shell, not a csh-type shell? [16:37] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6239.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [16:37] Wiren- (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [16:37] C_Tux: autoload promptinit; promptinit ; prompt clint [16:37] C_Tux: That just looks cleaner.. [16:37] but I only restored my zsh recently and now have an input problem, but I'll complain later on this week-end :) [16:37] bart is another half decent one. [16:37] C_Tux: bindkey -3e [16:37] err [16:37] s/-3e/-e/ iirc [16:37] eviljames: what does it do? [16:38] and vi ftw [16:38] C_Tux: the promptinit command he gave? It themes the prompt [16:38] argh. Theme is a noun... [16:38] verbing nouns sucks [16:38] fire|bird: autoload promptinit; promptinit; prompt clint [16:38] Urchlay: Pun intended? [16:39] C_Tux: yes, it gives the prompt a theme. :) [16:39] [23:37:20] < eviljames> export PS1="%n@%m:%~%% " for people who use a good shell. [16:39] always [16:39] The-Croupier: zsh, but there are more elegant ways of setting the prompt [16:39] C_Tux: toss that into ~/.zshrc [16:39] but was is it cleaner? [16:39] s/was/why/ [16:40] C_Tux: instead of having a bunch of ugly % signs everywhere, just autoload promptinit;promptinit;prompt clint [16:40] confrey (n=dario@94.163.189.128) joined ##slackware. [16:40] eviljames: but I will still need other bits to get a customized prompt [16:40] C_Tux: have you tried what we're talking about? [16:40] eviljames: to me it looks like your prompt will end up looking like "user@host:/path% ", why use a % at the end instead of a $? [16:40] C_Tux: no, the theme (clint) gives you all the bits. [16:41] Urchlay: I may have meant %# so that it changes with root. But by default (iirc) intsead of a $, it puts % in zsh [16:41] fire|bird: ah ok, it's the name of a theme ;p [16:41] hoi everybody [16:41] hello confrey [16:41] why couldn't you say that earlier? :P [16:41] hoi confrey [16:41] C_Tux: haha, sorry. [16:41] y0 confrey [16:41] znuzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:42] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:42] what's about ICQ ? is there a linux cloient working for it? [16:42] People still use icq? [16:42] cool. [16:42] pidgen and many many more. [16:42] confrey: Pidgin, centerim .. [16:42] C_Tux: clint theme: http://imagebin.org/54439 [16:42] eviljames: I still remember my icq #. :) [16:43] confrey: I would recommend use a free protokoll with free clients (XMPP, Jabber) [16:43] I think mine was like 16 or so. [16:43] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:43] akira42, yes, I think so, I'd like to use ICQ again, because I have a early username of ti [16:44] confrey: centericq? [16:44] cli based though iirc. [16:44] confrey: why don't use a jabber server with a transport to icq? [16:44] confrey: otherwise, pidgin does support icq. [16:44] fire|bird: centerim, centericq dont exists anymore [16:45] akira42: they exist, just haven't been updated in a while. [16:45] Action: akira42 thought they renamed them to centerim [16:45] fire|bird: looks nice but I like my 'tiny' prompt : '0:33 ~/projects/ocaml-gir %' [16:45] ok, it work [16:46] akira42: oh yeah, they did. :P [16:46] hey my icq uin is a prime number [16:46] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-68-244.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:47] nooper, ye, 5dig? [16:47] john_dee: 6 [16:47] nooper, xy? %) [16:47] C_Tux: put that line in that eviljames gave and then from a terminal, type prompt -p. There's alot more themes than clint. [16:47] nooper, starts with 1? [16:47] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] john_dee: starts with a 9, heh [16:48] mine starts with 4 and is 8 numbers [16:48] fire|bird: too many themes ;p [16:49] C_Tux: bah, there's never to many. :) [16:49] nooper, prime is xy 5dig which starts with 1. anything else is pop %) [16:49] fire|bird: I was leaning toward a small prompt but I have to say I somtimes have troubles finding when a prompt stops and another starts so I need colors at least [16:49] windoze live messenger ftw anyways ;p [16:49] i meant its a number that has only 2 divisors [16:49] eviljames: hm. Any time I see a % prompt, I expect to have to use csh syntax. zsh is more like a bourne shell I thought (with some csh-like extensions maybe) [16:50] ok, I have an encoding probleů [16:50] a character encoding probleů? [16:50] in bash I use a colorful prompt, will a different set of colors for each machine I ssh to regularly [16:50] Urchlay: I'm not even familiar with other shells anymore :P I use zsh exclusively. [16:51] Urchlay: give a try and be happy. ;) [16:51] $ <--- the <> are one color, the user is another, the host is another, and the /path is yet another [16:51] fire|bird: eh, so used to bash I'd probably get irritated by the differences (the more minor the differences, the more annoyed I'd get) [16:52] just type /bin/zsh in a terminal, try it temporarily. :) [16:52] fire|bird: but something must be broken here, prompt -p complains a lot about 'prompt_special_chars:16: command not found: char_333=Ű' [16:52] No, you'd be excited that you can tab complete command line options and urls [16:52] Tyrael_ (n=bart@81.215.70.142) left irc: [16:52] I tab complete _everything_ now. [16:52] heh, if I do, it gets all manner of confused by my PS1 variable: \[\033[0;34m\]<\[\033[0;37m\]\u\[\033[0;36m\]@\h:\[\033[0;35m\]\w\[\033[0;34m\]>\[\033[0;32m\]\[\033[1;32m\]$\[\033[0m\] [16:52] dorin_ (n=dorin@89.123.176.6) joined ##slackware. [16:52] C_Tux: It's a bug, don't worry about that :P [16:53] the goggles! [16:53] eviljames: bash can do that too [16:53] dorin (n=dorin@89.123.176.6) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:53] eviljames: nice then :D [16:53] C_Tux: Well, not a bug, but probably your LC_ settings are not correct [16:53] C_Tux: it can be fixed, you need things set for utf [16:53] eh, it requires a separate bash-completion packages, but no big deal [16:53] Urchlay: How customizeable is it? ie: can you determine how substrings are completed? Spell checking included or precluded at type-time? [16:53] for a while, in irssi, I used to use a tab-completion script that would complete to dictionary words + words used in the channel [16:54] fire|bird: I tried that only a few days ago, and I was running uxterm but it only showed the symbol for the unprintable character [16:54] eviljames: no idea about the spell checking, I won't use spell checking. I means what I types and I types what I means :) [16:54] C_Tux: Hmm, well, that's how I fixed that issue. en_US-UTF.8 in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [16:54] as far as [16:54] Urchlay: sl -> ls yay! [16:55] "how substrings are completed", well, you get either the "show all matches" behaviour, or the "cycle through matches one at a time" [16:55] Urchlay: no, more like does c.s return comp.science or comp.lit.science etc. [16:55] fire|bird: 'prompt_special_chars:16: command not found: char_333=\M-[' [16:55] and you can script it so it completes CLI arguments (it'll actually run "command --help") [16:56] ok, and run xterm, not uxterm [16:56] C_Tux: yeah, I fixed that error by setting UTF8 in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [16:56] eviljames: ah. I actually wouldn't use that (never would remember what abbreviations go with what completions) [16:56] zamnedix1 (n=ubuntu@or-69-34-217-90.sta.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] zamnedix1 (n=ubuntu@or-69-34-217-90.sta.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [16:56] bash could be scripted to do something like that too though (I don't think the stock bash-completion script does it) [16:59] fire|bird: what should I be using in the end? xterm + LANG=en_US-UTF.8 + ? or something else? [16:59] unicode has always been working nicely ='( [16:59] s/has/had/ [17:00] C_Tux: Umm, I use urxvt, I've never really used xterm, but yes, LANG should be UTF8. [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-243.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [17:02] fire|bird: you need to recompile rxvt to get urxvt, right? [17:02] C_Tux: install rxvt-unicode from SBo [17:02] that's urxvt [17:03] C_Tux: YOU might have to, but fire|bird didn't. He's like Chuck Norris 'n stuff... [17:03] znuzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] eviljames: urxvt is not in slamd64 ;) [17:05] urnotinslamd64 [17:05] C_Tux: I'm bored, tell me what you think of this band myspace.com/hailthevillain [17:06] C_Tux: If you DO NOT like that band, you're NUTS. [17:06] eviljames: you mean the band you already mentionned on yesterday? :D [17:06] I dunno. [17:06] C_Tux: just yesterday, try all week man. :) [17:06] that band is AWESOME [17:06] I'm bored and spamming canadian rock. A quote from their singer: "If you want to find Oshawa on a map of Canada, just look for the crotch." [17:06] haha [17:07] eviljames: yeah, I know I'm not in #slamd64 ;) [17:07] will be migrating during the week-end [17:09] fire|bird: still the same problem, what do you have exactly as LANG? [17:10] en_US.UTF-8 [17:14] dunno what the problem is then, but again, I'll wait a bit before complaining here ;) [17:14] my eyes are dry. I shouldn't have worn contact lenses today [17:14] C_Tux: you fail. ;) [17:18] eviljames: I wear glasses, most people tell me they don't see them [17:18] fire|bird: yeah, I do, can I haz a hug now? ='( [17:19] Action: fire|bird directs eviljames to hug C_Tux ;) [17:20] I wear glasses too. [17:20] dorin_ (n=dorin@89.123.176.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:20] uva_ (i=bno@118-168-239-52.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] C_Tux: what happened to the DobbsHead nick? Don't like it anymore. [17:20] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.252.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:21] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] fire|bird: I can't use that nick, nobody can ;) [17:21] why? [17:21] well, a few people can but not me [17:22] fire|bird: because I have no relationship to Dobb's Head [17:22] feels liks registering volkerding =/ [17:22] so what? Im have no relation to a fire bird. :P [17:23] C_Tux: I'm sure Pat has that under wraps. [17:23] fire|bird: he, sure, but owning it would feel wrong ;) [17:23] lol [17:24] using DobbsHead is like relying on someone else's fame [17:24] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] C_Tux: fwiw, it ISN'T registered [17:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Operation timed out [17:24] Nick change: C_Tux -> MichaelJackson [17:24] oh lawd [17:24] see, something looks wrong [17:24] Nick change: MichaelJackson -> C_Tux [17:25] omg [17:25] it's micheal jackson! [17:26] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-254-32-185.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] I'm predicting a thriller-themed zombie resurrection tour. Any takers on that bet? [17:26] uva (i=bno@118-160-164-238.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:27] eviljames : i agree with Dane Cook staring as Michael [17:27] I was wondering if there was a way to make a michael jackson concert worse. [17:27] Congrats, you found it. [17:27] Nick change: fire|bird -> hitec [17:27] :) [17:27] zooombie.. brrrains.. [17:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] even better [17:27] got my skype working with my mic :D [17:28] Dane Cook isn't that bad, but he wouldn't make a good Michael Jackson. :P [17:28] Nick change: hitec -> fire|bird [17:28] Asmadeus: unfortunately ##slackware doesn't have many brains ='( [17:29] especially not for eviljames or fire|bird =/ [17:29] C_Tux: speak for yourself [17:29] It takes a dummy to know a dummy. ;P [17:29] fire|bird: he, I'm a zombie now, it doesn't matter ;p [17:30] orly? [17:30] Zombie_Tux [17:30] Maybe McLovin will be Micheal [17:30] Camarade_Zombie [17:30] or Jona Hill [17:31] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [17:32] lotec: nah, Jack Black. :P [17:32] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [17:32] hahhahahahahahaah [17:33] lotec: He'd have to lose a few lb's though. [17:33] and shave. :P [17:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-140-219.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:33] and, wear stilts. [17:33] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "out" [17:34] hm, it's pretty worrying that on google maps there isn't much ice in the north... [17:34] and by much I really mean any. [17:34] maybe Tom Cruise? [17:36] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [17:37] if Tom can do this he can do anything [17:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rbj1alnmWc [17:38] eviljames: google is already in the future... 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[17:48] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:49] yeah! [17:49] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.42.233) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:49] gtl: can you explain further please? [17:49] Hmm. [17:50] X seems to ignore the dpms setting when Xfce locks the scren. [17:50] I wonder if it's because of the screensaver. [17:50] when I try acessing Places > D-RW/DVD-RW Drives, I get 'Unable to scan CD-RW/DVDąRW Drive for media changes' [17:52] alekgr (i=300@pool-173-74-126-35.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] gtl: login as root into an X session and go to System -> Prefernces -> Authorizations and look around. and also make sure that your user is part of the cdrom group in /etc/group [17:53] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [17:53] alekgr (i=300@pool-173-74-126-35.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:53] gtl: Authorizations is part of the new PolicyKit. You have to specifically allow users access to many things as you will see. [17:54] ah! [17:54] thanks, will try that in a sec [17:55] np, that was a "gotcha" for me too. i did not know how strict the new PolicyKit was until i tried plugging in my digital camera and it would not automount anymore. =) [17:56] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:58] gtl: check under "Device access" and "Storage" in Authorizations(PolicyKit and ConsoleKit) and you will find what you need. [17:58] ok [17:58] dtanner, thanks [17:58] welcome [17:58] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] atm, I'm truing to install websphere portal on slack =) [17:59] =) atm I am having a fresh rolled cigar and wondering what is for dinner. [18:00] haha, you're way happier than me, then! =) [18:01] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.44.173) joined ##slackware. [18:02] starting x [18:03] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [18:04] installation failed atm... switching to root X session [18:05] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [18:15] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:16] http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/scripts/ [18:16] right now i have 12.2, 12.2-iso, current, s64-current as a local mirror are there any other legal goodies in the usa that should be included this rsync makes 20gb data [18:18] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-125-183.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] VampirePenguin: every older release of Slackware [18:18] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-125-183.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:19] in case you ever have to install on an older machine [18:19] but who really uses it.. what viability .... im not asking to be challengin.. im asking bc i dont know [18:19] oh, in that case you do not need it [18:20] I really use some of it though [18:20] from what ive seen so far slack is 486 compatible [18:20] would it make that much of a diff on kernels and libraries [18:20] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.9) left irc: [18:20] on kernels, yes if you wanted to use some old hardware in a 486 or something [18:21] like a plain old Soundblaster or something [18:21] you should at least get slackware 11, you never know when you might find an old PC you want to revive with a 2.4 kernel [18:22] what would one need if one wants to run it on a 386? [18:22] well im pulling from slackware.at:: [18:22] so whatever is there [18:23] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [18:24] RipVanWinkle: did you mean exactly 11, or did 11.2 or something still have 2.4? It has been a while since I used it.... [18:24] my wife brought me a chocolate bar that has cinnamin, pasilla chile and cayenne pepper in it, tastes good, i never had chocolate with cayenne pepper in it [18:25] 11 [18:25] there is no 11.2 [18:25] oh yeah, I forgot.... [18:25] at least i dont think there is [18:25] I do not recall one [18:26] 11.0 seems to be the only 11 I have seen around my cd boxes lately [18:26] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.252.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:26] unless... Pat is hiding it and keeping it for himself! ;p [18:26] relive (n=relive@cpe-98-155-143-122.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:27] ok 11 sounds good........ now im not trying to start a flame war.. i love slack..not everybody wants/can use it what other distros do you think would be appropriate [18:28] this is at currnet a local mirror and if i can get the okay and port usage its going to be a public mirror [18:28] hmm slackware.com down? [18:28] a i386? dchmelik the only distro i can think of to run on something that old is DeLi Linux, (DeLi = Desktop Light) [18:28] symbolic link question, when i "cd ../...../place", and pwd, it shows "/home/place" not "/var/www/...../" how to cd into symbolic link directly, so when i pwd, it shows true path? [18:28] like a cd -option [18:28] dsl, devil, puppy [18:28] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:28] debian is i386 compiled [18:29] i knew that would happen when i seen slackware-13 RC on distrowatch, Pat's server probably got hammered by a bunch of people that distro hop, and have no idea how slow Pat's servers are even when they are not busy [18:29] hmm mtr is dropping at sac-main.cwo.com [18:32] bsd runs on 386 [18:32] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:33] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: "leaving" [18:34] i bet xorg would be top heavy on a 386 [18:34] it was xfree [18:34] there is tinycore, a 10 meg distro, i wonder how they managed to build xorg so small [18:35] then hopped over on the fork that time frame [18:35] If you got rid of all the crap from X and used something like fluxbox or LESS, then it would probably run ok. [18:35] RipVanWinkle, i think it jwm [18:35] but its amazing the size [18:36] okay if there no distro ideas what about tools, perl, hell the kernel source.. [18:36] i have 60 gb space [18:37] i been using this old laptop without X installed, just using the kernel's generic VESA2 framebuffer, it performs great that way, i may just keep it like it is and forget upgrading to 13 on it [18:38] cool you can wathc movies with mplayer in fb [18:38] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [18:38] if i could do pdfs in fb or tty [18:38] i dont know of any tool yet taht does it .. .everything is X related [18:39] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [18:39] RipVanWinkle: so Slackware 1.0 was for 486, not 386? [18:40] yup, i built that already, it does ok, i made a simple script to launch mplayer at the correct resolution too, mplayer -zoom 1024 -fs "$@" [18:40] not sure, i bet it will do a 386, slackware-8.0 was the oldest slack i ever used [18:41] I used 2.0 or 4.0 or 6.0; I forgot which, but then I switched to NetBSD and stuff for a few years [18:41] make that: mplayer -zoom -xy 1024 -fs "$@" [18:42] can anyone get to slackware.com? [18:42] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-201-211.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:42] i couldnt erlier [18:42] juice: it's been down since yesterday [18:42] it timed out [18:42] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] lynx is trying, so far it aint getting slackware.com [18:42] i saw the 13rc announce on distrowtach [18:43] yeah, Pat's server got hammered [18:43] ohno [18:43] can't reach it (germany) [18:43] ok [18:44] what Pat should have done was release a bittorrent, forget linking to a DVD image, he dont have the bandwidth to handle all the people that want slackware [18:45] lynx is still trying, it sure has a slow timeout [18:45] RipVanWinkle: you do not understand how the distribution works [18:45] The dead server is not being hammered for downloads, we have big mirrors for that [18:45] alienBOB: ya beat me to it [18:45] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [18:45] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [18:46] are the big mirors loaded with the new DVD image? [18:46] RipVanWinkle: what new DVD image? [18:46] man midori is one fast browser [18:47] i dont see a current-iso at osuosl [18:47] relive (n=relive@cpe-98-155-143-122.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:47] Of course not RipVanWinkle [18:47] i am guessing he refers to this [18:47] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ [18:47] There is no ISO image for -current [18:47] That stuff is unofficial and not created by Slackwate team [18:47] ok, my bad [18:47] not official anyway [18:48] alienBOB, yep [18:48] Quite, yes [18:48] Slackwate hmm [18:48] why is it down? is 13 out? [18:48] No [18:48] nooper: 13rc1 [18:49] it is a coincidence that slackware.com went down right after i seen slackware13_rc1 at distrowatch, it is my bad to assume Pat's server got hammered with too much traffic [18:49] wondering,will slackware 13 come also in a 64bit official version ? [18:50] reallove: of course it will [18:51] kk 11.0, 11.0-iso [18:52] RipVanWinkle: it was a reasonable enough assumption, but it is not what has happened [18:52] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-119-29.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:52] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:53] F*ck Slashdot and their hijacking the + button :( [18:53] 4.2.3 kde totally bombed for me [18:53] still major plasma crasshes [18:53] i gave up went bac to 3.5.10 [18:55] psych0 (n=t7DS@187.2.3.140) joined ##slackware. [18:58] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.209.134) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [18:58] i blame it on closed hardware specs, xorg can not build good graphics drivers without the proper info, but they do a great job considering they are shooting in the dark [19:01] <[OpenSys]> ppl i have silicon image SiI3124 sata II controller in mirrow but continue to see the two disks sda and sdb, what i need to activate the raid and see only one disk? [19:03] i just intel [19:03] nothing special [19:03] The problem is Intel [19:04] 4.0 plasmas brought down the WHOLE session, now in 4.2.3 plasma/oids an dolphin seg 11/15 [19:04] Intel put their grubby hands into libdrm, mesa and xorg-server and fucked up everything they touched. [19:04] lol [19:05] The result of all their dedicated resource spending is that every hardware runs well with the current X.Org, *except* intel graphics hardware [19:05] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:05] i guess i dont use graphic intensive stuff, and plasmas are going to be something new... intel has always installed easy for me..... viewing win 7 their idea of a plas/oid has the same exact handles as kdes but they are made with html [19:05] i did not know that, intel is in to xorg's stuff, i think when 13 is released i will install it without xorg and build xfree86 on it [19:06] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [19:06] Good luck [19:06] But yes, that is an alternative [19:06] Any... implications, though... when replacing Xorg with XFree86? [19:06] i built it on 12.2, worked great, although some gtk apps would not work until i installed a few of xorgs libraries, like libxfixes for one [19:07] my eee i think has the new X... it doesnt even use an xorg.conf anymore.. all automatic unleess you want to override something with a conf file [19:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:07] that ones intell [19:07] Yes, INtel is all over the netbook hardware [19:08] Luckily my eeepc still runs reasonably well. But, it did *much* better with the "ancient" X.Org that we had before [19:08] i am going to quit buying new hardware, just live off of used junk i find on craigslist :D [19:08] alienBOB: seriously, that is a simplistic over generalization [19:08] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [19:08] alienBOB: everything else works nicely, and intel is 97% there [19:08] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [19:08] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.2) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [19:09] macavity: yes I am charging here. [19:09] alienBOB: and if i get things right, 2.8.0 has nearly everything working right [19:09] But there is no denial that Intel fucked up X big time [19:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] macavity: we've been hearing stories like that for over a year now [19:09] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-51-28.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] alienBOB: i've got *one* tiny issue left.. and it is bearly noticable [19:10] And the x.org team being without leadership and vision does not help either [19:10] alienBOB: on SwapBuffers operations, it fails to sync to vblank about 1% of the time.. big deal.. [19:10] well with my hardware if its really an X issue and its interfacing with kde... i cant do anything til it all gets fixed.. right now kde == fail [19:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [19:11] VampirePenguin: just turn of desktop effects and everything works [19:11] u cant turn plasma off [19:11] VampirePenguin: however, is your -current up to date? [19:12] this was a few weeks ago when i had that build [19:12] VampirePenguin: naturally not, but just make sure it doesnt attempt to use composite or xrender [19:12] that was a fresh install [19:12] what intel chip is it? [19:12] 945G[M]? [19:13] Graphics: Card Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org 1.4.2 Res: 1024x768@60.0hz [19:13] GLX Renderer Mesa DRI Intel 945GM 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version 1.3 Mesa 7.0.3 [19:13] lol [19:13] i promise you that slackware 13rc1 does well on that particular hardware [19:13] as that is what i am running on right now [19:14] full desktop bangalore with transparency, cube, etc [19:14] well that would be great if i did a rebuild but there is also one other deal breaker.... kde and its interfacing with gpg is broke in any mail program thas used except thunderbird/enigmail [19:15] gpg works fine... its all kdes stuff [19:15] set KDE to use OpenGL (dont even attempt XRender yet), set texture filter to Trilinear, and everything looks nice and dandy, and runs fast [19:15] is that rc using 4.3.x [19:15] no, 4.2.4 [19:16] okay so it stepped up .1 [19:16] VampirePenguin: it sounds as if you run a version of -current that is already quite stale. KDE 4.2.3.... we moved to 4.2.4 sometime ago. Mesa 7.0.3 ... we moved on [19:16] and you wont get anything to fly with composite on xserver 1.4.2 and intel. period [19:16] i puilled it off a nl mirror so [19:16] macavity: it worked find for me with that x.org [19:17] s/find/fine/ [19:17] well this build is 3.5.10 [19:17] so thats why the lower mesa [19:17] alienBOB: XAA killed video, EXA had rendering errors [19:17] i couldnt use a box that kept crashing [19:19] im getting used to the slack way of doing things... it was funny to me the other night to compile your own slack.build if it doesnt work... i did.. it works [19:19] :) [19:19] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.249) left irc: "Leaving." [19:20] i did do that to somebody else today.. they were like ff 3.5 is out whens it gonna be in the repos..im like if you need it today compile it yourself [19:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432125.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] yeah, you getting real 1337 there :P [19:22] my rsync mirror doesnt show the 13rc-1 is it in process of syncing to other mirrors [19:22] ya macavity really... [19:22] im used to binaries and having other ppl do it.. doing it myslef ifs empowering [19:22] im used to compile the software i use on my own [19:23] after a while, there is no big problem [19:23] can someone do me a favor and check this hal/dbus error and tell me if you have ever experienced this? -> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/oVN6SM77.html [19:23] its getting easier, its just learning waht to do... but sometimes... the luxury of havin just binaries is nice bc of time constraints [19:23] same problem i had the other day [19:24] u using gnomw [19:24] yup [19:24] couble check your perms and groups but the only way i could fix it was use xfce [19:24] something to do with Polikit I assume(and we all know what assume stands for =) [19:24] somethings broke [19:24] VampirePenguin: already done [19:24] policykit [19:24] dtanner: are you a member of plugdev? [19:24] the same user can access it via any terminal and is a member of the proper groups [19:25] yes [19:25] plugdev = yes [19:25] roger [19:25] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.26.82) joined ##slackware. [19:25] my eee had the same issues and i was in every group i could think of [19:25] argh [19:25] agentc0re: http://www.brakspear-beers.co.uk/brakspear2006_packaged.htm#bitter [19:25] wait a dayam minute , i am not a member of plugdev [19:25] thing is i could mount it on cli with root and then it would show up [19:25] let me fix that right now [19:26] VampirePenguin: this is a decent rsync mirror: rsync.osuosl.org::slackware/ [19:26] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:26] hrmm , i am a meber of lpugdev. my eyes are getting bad :P [19:26] forgive the typos please [19:27] VampirePenguin: yeah, same here. just when trying to access through the menus like "Places -> Cdrw/dvdrw" [19:27] theres apermission erro with policykit and gnomes auto mounter [19:27] yes [19:27] waht was funny too i could use thunar to mount and then natalus would open mounted [19:28] somethings screwy [19:28] you are correct [19:28] i found it easier to use xfce since it didnt give me issues but i use gnoame apps [19:28] dtanner: you are using gnome? [19:28] i couldnt find a fix online bc its common [19:28] I am looking into polkit-gnome-authorization [19:28] macavity: yes [19:28] xfced 4.6 [19:28] oh him [19:28] dtanner: oh man, that explains a lot :P [19:29] dtanner: try asking Old_Fogie when you see him [19:29] somewhere in the udev/hal/dbus/policykit, automounter/gnome its broke [19:29] lol [19:29] this new PolicyKit is the culprit. it is very strict or has a bug. i had to allow regular users spefically to automount my digital camera the other day after installing the new gware. and it worked fine. but i can't seem to get the cd/dvd figured out. [19:29] i dont understand it myself yet [19:30] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) left irc: "leaving" [19:30] but its not readin the groups right [19:30] macavity: dno't dog gnome. it is just a user error. the new policykit has strict perms. because It worked fine for granting users access to the digital camera. [19:30] i messed up a build with selinux [19:30] so [19:31] macavity: you do know that dtanner is an gware dev right? :P [19:31] it only happens with the new PolicyKit. [19:31] i still have gnome installed, im just waiting on a fix for it... xfce is somewhat dependeat on gnome [19:32] cmair (n=cmair@host99-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:32] VampirePenguin: i will let you know. it is also happening when accessing usb drives. [19:32] my problem dtanner was all my usb/sd ports [19:32] jinx] [19:32] thunar or cli man [19:32] or go to xfce [19:32] through the gui of course. i can access them through terminal [19:33] once thunar deos nautlis does [19:33] yup [19:33] and there is some other gnome auto mounter that is in the panel [19:33] same thing it will recognize wonce thunar doees or u mount in cli [19:34] the eee is all solid state so usb/.sd vital [19:35] this is the same kind of bug in kde between gpg and kde 4.x email program with gpg.. mozillas got it right for some reason.. maybe they should ask them [19:35] VampirePenguin: reason i say it is somewhere in the config is because i had the same error when plugging in my digital camera and i granted the user access with polkit-gnome-authorization and it fixed it. [19:35] ya its not reading the groups and perms tright [19:36] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [19:36] where is this polkit auth located [19:36] ive never seen it so i dont even know what im looking for [19:36] if that would fix it that would be great [19:37] i even tried something in gconf with schemas or something [19:37] VampirePenguin: but if you run 'polkit-auth' as root and as a regular user it will show you what you have access to. running it as root should show everything and as a regular user limited access until granted [19:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:38] VampirePenguin: you can check in System -> Preferences -> Authorizations and tell what you have access to and also running that as root you can grant privs to users. that is how i granted access to the auto-mounting of a digital camera for instance. [19:38] root obviously has no issues bc when i do a root/su function it works... its my user specifically in gnome [19:38] oh taht would be hot to fix that [19:38] let me get me ee [19:38] e [19:39] what's the problem? [19:39] System -> Prefs -> Authorizations runs polkit-gnome-authorization [19:39] see for some reason i picked up just using vi with /etc/group [19:40] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:40] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] thats why im so glad pam isnt used in slack [19:40] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:41] hello nachox =) just the new PolicyKit for gnome ( which has very strict policies in place by default ). Of course there could be something in the way it is interacting with hal/dbus. [19:42] VampirePenguin: if you run a root X session you will ( or at least i do ) get the same error when trying to access the cd/dvd or usb-storage-devices so i think it is a system wide issue in a config [19:43] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-194-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:44] What's the file that's like /etc/services but for inetd or something? [19:45] /etc/inetd.conf [19:45] /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny [19:46] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:47] Gnome is usually the question, not the answer 8-) [19:47] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:48] td0s (n=HIM@77-99-69-5.cable.ubr16.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:49] /etc/inetd.conf is it. [19:49] there's also /etc/identd.conf for IDENT [19:51] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: [19:52] i just upgraded from 12.1 to 12.2 [19:53] hi [19:53] congratulations [19:53] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [19:53] i always forget to backup at least one .conf file [19:53] hi [19:53] dtanner, we like strict [19:53] uh huh [19:53] Action: TwinReverb is thinking about dual boot: slackware-current and slackware64-current [19:54] TwinReverb: for what? [19:54] man i cant wait for the 64 release [19:55] i can wait ... forever. why? because it needs 32bit compatibility because not everything is 64 bit yet [19:55] dtanner, i went through all the pertinent options in polkit and logged out and came back in and it still refuse to mount but the error now is a mount option [19:55] Action: nachox nods [19:55] but the vms are so good these days [19:56] td0s: so install it already :P [19:56] all that extra storage to play with [19:57] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [19:57] laberer (n=ern@82.113.106.85) joined ##slackware. [19:58] BP{k}:its still in dev [19:59] confrey (n=dario@94.163.189.128) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:59] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.42) joined ##slackware. [20:00] td0s: no shit. sorry I really had not noticed. [20:00] ha-ha [20:00] Action: BP{k} dials the sarcasm meter back to 11. [20:01] i cant install an os which is stilll in dev [20:02] i want to don't get mew wrong [20:02] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-51-28.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:03] td0s: you're using slackware on a production server? [20:04] i've been using slackware as my main work machine and my home server [20:05] but not in a piad sense of professional [20:06] im a freelancer who uses slackware as my production kit - it does everything i require [20:06] laberer (n=ern@82.113.106.85) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [20:07] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-170-207.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] Howdy folks. [20:08] hiya [20:08] hi Alan_Hicks [20:08] howdy [20:08] Alan_Hicks: ola. [20:09] VampirePenguin: "CheckForMedia" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal" is the pertinent clue. looking into it now. you are more than likely getting that line in your error message se well. [20:09] hello Alan_Hicks [20:10] Anyone care to point out where I'm being stupid with an iptables ruleset? [20:10] i have a confession [20:10] td0s: How long has it been since your last confession? [20:10] heh [20:10] some time [20:10] not is just generic now no hal or org mentions [20:11] wth why doesn policy kit follow the /etc/groups [20:11] I've been being a user [20:11] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:11] I have a slackware-current box operating as a NAT gateway, but I'm unable to pass packets out from the internal network to the Internet. NAT is working, but there's something wrong in my filter table. Here's the output of iptables-save. http://pastebin.com/dfe8c66a [20:12] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.25.11) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:12] If I set the default FORWARD policy to ACCEPT, everything works, but this is of course sub-optimal. I'd like to have a default-deny netfilter ruleset. [20:13] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Broken pipe [20:14] could it be a kernel issue if your config is ok [20:15] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] It's not a kernel issue. Like I said, if I set the default filter policy on the FORWARD chain, everything works. Thus it cannot be a kernel issue. [20:16] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:17] well i had kernel issues with netfilter before [20:17] Alan_Hicks: can you use ip address ranges with the -i parameter? i thought it was just for interface names [20:18] I'm an idiot. [20:18] lol [20:18] That's exactly what the problem was. I just found it before you spoke up. [20:18] Fuckin' shitty iptables. [20:19] It should throw an error message if the input is invalid. [20:19] hrm, srsly [20:19] pf is at least smart enough to figure out the proper interface name from a subnet mask. You'd think the linux kernel hackers would be able to do something as simple as that. [20:20] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:21] dude don't get me started on programs with no error messages! [20:21] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:21] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] anyone have experience with aufs on slack? :S [20:21] Action: BP{k} ponders writing programs with absurd error messages that have no relevation what so ever :) [20:22] i serioulsly spent about 36 hours looking for a solution to a bug in the ati prop driver not relaying the screen dimensions [20:22] BP{k}: So... you want to work for IBM on the next release of AIX? [20:23] i just got a netbook and i want to get slack running on it but its being a bitch and when i boot from usb to install, it wont get connected to the network to mount the nfs directory so now i'm trying the linux-live route [20:25] i_is_cat, why didn't you put the rest of the slackware install materials on the USB stick so that they would be available? [20:25] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [20:25] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] ive done everything it suggests [20:27] what netbook is it? [20:28] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.80) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:28] acer aspire one a150-1555 [20:28] Alan_Hicks: hahaha :) how'd you guess! [20:28] i_is_cat, "it" suggests? who's this "it"? [20:28] the files in the slackware install directory under the usb and pxe installer etc [20:28] ok then copy the slackware directory to the USB stick and re-bootstrap it [20:29] (if there is room to copy that directory) [20:29] well its a 4gb when i put the usb.img file on it it overwrites everything and makes it think its like 26mb or whatever.. [20:29] i_is_cat: this is the guide i found for the aspire http://www.thev.net/cgi-bin/awki.cgi/_Acer_Aspire_One_ [20:30] that's your problem: you're putting the USB stick booter on the USB stick [20:30] you need to build your own boot image (there is a procedure for doing this) [20:30] hold on let me find it [20:30] i_is_cat_: Easy. Over-write the USB stick, and boot the installer, then go back, format the usb stick vfat, copy the slackware directory over, and go from there. [20:30] Alan_Hicks, thanks lol [20:31] that was the first guide i checked out td0s i got it to boot off the usb stick but it wont connect to the network to mount the nfs drive [20:31] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] i_is_cat_: Did you run 'network' after booting? [20:31] Alan_Hicks, i can just copy the whole thing over and it should just work? [20:31] for a network install? [20:32] i_is_cat_: I think so. At least, that's the first thing I would try. [20:32] and why would you want a network install if you can copy the entire installation media to the boot media? [20:32] Alan_Hicks, yes i did it said it loaded the module i believe it was r8169 for a realtek nic [20:32] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:32] TwinReverb: Network install would be much faster than reading from usb flash. [20:32] i_is_cat_: Ok, did ifconfig -a show it? [20:33] depends. if you have to learn how to set up NFS to do it, it's going to take longer for you to learn NFS. however, if you already know it ... 8-) [20:33] yep it shows up [20:33] nfs server works fine i use it for mythtv [20:33] i_is_cat_: Then it worked, you just didn't configure it right. [20:35] whats to configure? when i ran the target in the setup and selected nfs it asked me what my ip was so i selected one within range it asked for a gateway so i put in the router ip addy then it asked for the nfs server info so i put that in and it just sits there trying to mount it [20:35] then it fails and says itll try another way and hangs there for a bit and fails again [20:35] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:35] then i try to ping the router and the nfs server and it is all failed packets [20:36] i check ifconfig, it has the ip i set, everything looks ok there so i try bringing it down and then the dhcpcd eth0 command which hangs and then fails and ifconfig shows eth0 down [20:37] so im not sure what the issue is exactly.. [20:37] its probably a problem with the wireless card conflicting with the ethernet [20:37] i_is_cat_: You don't happen to have more than one nic in this box do you? [20:37] my mythfrontend is also working as a router so i tried switching the cable to that one and adjusting the settings and still no dice [20:37] td0s: No, that's almost certainly wrong. [20:37] Alan_Hicks, no this is a netbook its the onboard nic and wireless :S [20:38] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-163.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] I'm no expert [20:39] Ok. Boot the installer from your usb stick again, and I'm gonna try to walk you through this. [20:39] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [20:39] if copying slackware to the usb key would work i guess that would be a good option, but i was trying the linux-live thing because i figured if i could get slack to boot from the usb key i could partition and format the drive and then put slack on it and run the installer and it should be gravy [20:40] Do what I tell you. :-) [20:40] Alan_Hicks, ok lemme go to my desktop where im logged in as i_is_cat and i'll reboot this one onto the usb stick [20:40] ok [20:41] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:41] ok i am rebooting it [20:41] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [20:42] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [20:42] ok it got to the boot: prompt and i just hit enter so its loading initrd.img right now [20:43] ok. Let's go ahead and load that NIC module. 'modprobe r8169' [20:44] I forget if the installer has ethtool or not, but once that's done, let's give it a try. 'ethtool eth0' [20:44] done [20:44] not found [20:44] Thought so. Ok. What's your subnet? [20:44] Typical 192.168.1.0/24 ? [20:45] 0.1 on the one im connected to [20:45] but ya [20:45] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [20:45] Hmmm.... what do you mean by 'the one I'm connected to'? [20:46] well as i said the mythfrontend is a gateway/router as well and its 1.0 [20:46] gabriel (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [20:46] but right now im just on a dlink router [20:46] Wait? Your gateway is 192.168.1.0? [20:46] i don't think a router is going to be 192.168.1.0 [20:46] router usually = 192.168.1.1 [20:46] TwinReverb, ya 1.1 heh [20:47] it's ok [20:47] i don't think he said sorry [20:47] i_is_cat: Why exactly are you connected to this D-link router instead of your gateway through a switch? [20:48] and the network is setup as such, modem->dlink(wireless)->desktop,mythfrontend(gateway)->switch [20:48] can you show us that diagram and show us where your netbook in that diagram? [20:48] i_is_cat: Why exactly are you connected to this D-link router instead of your gateway through a switch? [20:48] the frontend being setup as such is because im renting the net to the neighbours and wanted better control over it than the dlink can provide [20:50] moo [20:50] Alan_Hicks, i have tried both ways it doesnt work either way and the gateway is just a gateway for the 1.1 subnet to reach the dlink and out to the net [20:50] so the dlink is the faster route [20:50] ok [20:50] plus if i connected under the 1.1 subnet, i wouldnt be able to access the nfs mount on my desktop which is on the 0.1 subnet [20:50] hi nix_chix0r [20:50] i_is_cat: Do you get a link light on the d-link router for the port this netbook is plugged into? [20:50] hi [20:50] yep a solid green [20:51] slackware.com is down [20:51] got home early today [20:51] ok. 'dhcpcd eth0' [20:51] as long as it is not Soilent Green :P [20:51] slackware.com IS down which is one reason why i'm here [20:51] no bany till tuesday:D [20:51] ok its sitting there after that command Alan_Hicks [20:51] baby* [20:51] ok Let it time-out if that's what it's gonna do. [20:51] k [20:52] netbook doesn't have a cd-rom does it? [20:52] nope it doesnt [20:52] ok [20:52] ok it finished [20:52] i_is_cat: do you have a wired connection atm [20:52] no errors or anything just back to the cli [20:52] td0s, yep [20:52] ifconfig eth0 show an IP address? [20:53] ifconfig doesnt show eth0 so its down [20:53] hmmm.... [20:53] try this - if config -a [20:53] ... [20:53] should show 2 - eth0 and lo0 [20:53] ifconfig eth0 up; ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.47 netmask 255.255.255.0 [20:53] well ifconfig -a will show the interface but if its not under a normal ifconfig then its down [20:54] td0s: If you don't know what you're talking about, don't speak. [20:54] RipVanWinkle, =firebird? [20:55] nope, i am Pig_Pen [20:55] Alan_Hicks, ok i did that, i have an ip address but when i ping my router it does nothing [20:55] there should be 2 addys there if its going to work the eth 1 anf the lopback [20:55] i_is_cat: Try pinging your desktop. [20:55] 29 packets 100% loss [20:55] i ated your internets [20:55] same thing with the desktop [20:56] now that wouldn't surprise me :P [20:56] ok. This nics are notoriously crappy, FWIW. [20:56] s/This/These/ [20:56] maybe slackware.com is over -current :P [20:56] well that sucks :S [20:56] Alright, this always works.... [20:56] modprobe -r r8169 [20:57] mmmk [20:57] cd /lib/modules/2.6.29.*/kernel/drivers/net [20:57] i_is_cat - whats lsmod? [20:58] lists modules [20:58] Action: nix_chix0r throws weed in ##slacwkware [20:58] loaded modules [20:58] i_is_cat: Hmmm.... I forget if the installer has 'basename' or not. Can you check real quick? [20:58] ok im there Alan_Hicks [20:58] yep i see a basename [20:58] thx [20:59] np [20:59] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "nooper" [20:59] sure you dont have a conflict? [20:59] find . -type f | (while read MOD; do modprobe $(basename $MOD .ko); done) [20:59] That will load *EVERY* kernel module for network drivers. [21:00] td0s: Do you even know what would cause a "conflict" between network drivers? Or how to fix it if that was the case (which it almost certainly isn't, at least not the way you're thinking it is). [21:01] wow it really did lol well except a few that errored but all the rest seem to be loaded [21:01] i_is_cat: Expect that command to spew out a fuck-ton of error messages. [21:01] i_is_cat: ifconfig -a | grep '^eth' [21:01] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Alan_Hicks: Yes, I have had problems in the past with new drivers grabbing nic names which they weren't configured for [21:02] 99% of the time you cannot rent internet to your neighbors because it is against your contract with your ISP [21:02] td0s: That's not a module conflict at all. [21:02] ok so it says eth0 link encap:Ethernet HWaddr (mac addy) [21:02] BringingSexyBack: 99% of the time I don't give a damn what my ISP thinks. [21:03] Alan_Hicks: ++ [21:03] ahh, atheists beware! THERE IS A GOD!!!! sarah palin resigned!!!!!!!!!!! [21:03] BringingSexyBack, shhhhhhhhhhhh [21:03] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@189-69-81-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:03] i_is_cat: Damn... does the installer have lspci? I highly doubt it does. [21:03] yes it does and it shows a realtek ethernet controller [21:03] Alan_Hicks: I'm not reporting a kernel bug, it's almost certainly a config issue [21:03] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] that still does not make me belive in a god jeev [21:04] i_is_cat: lspci -v please [21:04] rtl8101e/rtl8102e [21:04] i cant really paste it heh.. [21:04] i_is_cat: What driver does it say it's using? [21:04] RipVanWinkle, dood come on!! sarah palin resigned, it makes me believe in EVERYTHING [21:04] pfft [21:04] it says r8169 [21:04] Shit. [21:04] the nicks are getting crazy in here [21:05] Let's give this one more go.... [21:05] Alan_Hicks: this is config on an init.rd - to get the nfs mounted [21:05] jeev, no, it would take Obama resigning for me to believe in a God if I didn't already [21:05] it needs the custom subnet [21:05] td0s: I know exactly what this is, thank you very much. [21:06] i_is_cat: Ok. You still in lib/modules/path/to/drivers/net ? [21:06] jeev: 'you betcha' ;) [21:06] yep i still am [21:06] Alan_Hicks: cc [21:06] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:06] modprobe -r r8169 [21:06] Nick change: BringingSexyBack -> TwinReverb [21:06] rm r8169.ko [21:06] find . -type f | (while read MOD; do modprobe $(basename $MOD .ko); done) [21:06] Expect it to spew even more errors this time. [21:07] Obama comparing the suffering of homosexuals to that of blacks in the past was a rather stupid thing to say regardless of your background [21:07] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [21:07] td0s: if you had half a freakin clue, you'd know who Alan_Hicks was, so maybe like he allready stated, you should stfu, and let him do his thing?! [21:07] ok that has been done [21:07] TwinReverb, HAAAAAAA [21:07] quite a few errors hehe [21:07] freack (n=frk@189.58.216.199.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:07] TwinReverb, god told bush to kill his middle eastern enemies [21:08] which one is worse? [21:08] to kill or to believe in gay rights? [21:08] chopp: I'm not much of a stargazer [21:08] TwinReverb: If he resigned, that would convince me of nothing. If he and joe Bidden resigned, that would convince me the devil exits, 'cause we'd be stuck with Nancy Pelosi. [21:08] I was trying to help [21:08] i_is_cat: ifconfig eth0 turn up anything? [21:08] ahh, it's just great to here a Sarah Palin lover to talk shit about obama [21:08] it's so funny [21:08] jeev, i doubt God told Bush to do that, but if he said that, he's retarded. however, i know what Obama said and for that, he IS retarded. history majors all over the world were offended. [21:08] so now when i do the lspci -v it says kernel module r8169 but the 'kernel module in use' line is missing and when i do an ifconfig -a it brings up a bunch of weird interfaces [21:09] like ifb0 and ifb1 [21:09] Alan_Hicks, true, that would be far worse [21:09] eq1 and dummy0 [21:09] td0s: well having to ask what lsmod is, seems to be a fairly good indication that you really shouldn't be trying to help regardless. [21:09] i guess it thinks im a dumbass lol [21:09] i_is_cat: Yeah, you've got all the modules for software network devices like tun/tap and bridging and stuff, so ifconfig -a is gonna show a shitload of stuff. [21:09] hahahah i was asking for output [21:09] i_is_cat: you built a moduleless kernel? [21:10] acidchild: No. He's doing something really crazy under my direction. :^) [21:10] acidchild, its the slack installer [21:10] i_is_cat: ifconfig eth0 [21:10] Anything? [21:10] but theres no eth0 listed anymore [21:10] chopp: do you feel Alana_Hicks can't finght his own battles - I don't recall talking to you [21:10] ok. That means you're screwed on a network install. [21:10] Alan_Hicks: u crazy foo [21:10] it says device not found when i do ifconfig eth0 [21:10] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [21:10] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [21:11] td0s (n=HIM@77-99-69-5.cable.ubr16.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [21:11] i_is_cat: I thought as much. Sometimes there's more than one module for a given chipset, so what we were trying there was a long-shot. [21:11] i_is_cat: did you not install some packages in /n ? [21:11] i_is_cat, what does ifconfig -a say? [21:11] RipVanWinkle: It's the installer for cryin' out loud! [21:11] ah [21:11] nachox: You really don't want him to answer that. [21:11] this looks like a circus now [21:11] nachox: He's got every networking module in the kernel loaded. [21:11] jeev, however, i'll say that anyone who can let osama attack us and not attack back, or anyone who can watch what saddam did to the kurdish civilians (i.e. testing his chemical and biological weapons on them) and not want to wipe them out, is an idiot [21:11] lol [21:12] Alan_Hicks, well thanks for the help it was worth trying anyways [21:12] antiwire, why? due to all the clowns? 8-) [21:12] i_is_cat: We're not done here. [21:12] i_is_cat: Take the USB stick out, carry it to your desktop, and pop it in. [21:12] lol alright [21:12] what does lspci -v | less show for your networking device [21:12] TwinReverb, how funny.. i dont recall the last time saddam killed anyone.. and in africa.. people are STILL dying. BUT SHIT. all you care about is iraqi's. [21:12] RipVanWinkle: We've already been down this road. [21:13] Alan_Hicks, i ask because i've seen gentoo do some nasty things with ethernet nics... specially under vmware [21:13] OH by the way, american's dont care for SHIT because i'm armenian, our genocide isn't accepted by the U.S. because turkey is an ally [21:13] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Lost Terminal" [21:13] so before your little tiny brain thinks.. think about america == $$$$ [21:13] jeev, you don't remember the pictures in Time magazine of kurdish civilians littering the streets? [21:13] and go read www.whatreallyhappened.com [21:13] osama didnt attack shit [21:13] and how angry everyone was? [21:13] ok the stick is loaded [21:13] you're just a crazy white guy who uses christianity for anything [21:13] i formally request that you two take that descussion in private [21:13] macavity, right after you tell me how much you loved that song! [21:13] jeev and TwinReverb [21:13] jeev, my explanation didn't include christianity [21:13] guys, this is ##slackware [21:14] Alright guys, this is getting out of hand. Change the topic of discussion or I'll just ban the lot of you. [21:14] TwinReverb, you are a crazy looney toon, you're not a christian; i am. [21:14] jeev: sorry, it was not exactly my cup of tea [21:14] ok ok Alan_Hicks [21:14] ahhhh macavity! [21:14] that's just a great song. [21:14] jeev, welcome to /ignore for turning a discussion into an argument [21:14] i keep trying to ctrl+c this crap but it keeps scrolling [21:14] freack (n=frk@189.58.216.199.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:14] jeev: probably to people who know french :P [21:14] i_is_cat: Ok. Where were we? Alright, got the stick in there. Partition it with fdisk. [21:14] i made sean hannitys ignore list [21:14] macavity, it's a good song, melody.. and all [21:15] jeev: obviously our tastes differ.. i found it melodramatic at best [21:15] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:15] ok partition it all as one disk or..? [21:15] i_is_cat: Yeah, just one big partition. [21:15] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-132.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] jeev: i am much more of a Cats person, if we have to discuss musical theatre :P [21:15] Then format it ext2 with mkfs.ext2 /dev/foo1 [21:15] done [21:16] Mount it, and copy the slackware/ directory over. [21:16] isn't Cats a show';1' [21:16] ?!?!/! [21:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [21:16] jeev: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_musical [21:17] ew. bbiab [21:18] i_is_cat: If you don't want to do a full install from usb flash (because it will be slower than nfs), you can just copy the a/ and n/ series. [21:18] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] its copying right now.. how slow is slow exactly? [21:18] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:18] slow [21:18] antiwire: I'm sure you know this allready, but no damn ath5k/AP in 2.6.30.1 :P [21:19] usb flash can be faster than a dvd drive so i wouldn't call it "slow" necessarily [21:19] like installing from cd on a celeron 333mhz slow? [21:19] like installing from any dvd drive is slow [21:19] chopp: yep, it's only in 2.6.31 so far and I haven't tried that one yet [21:19] usb 2.0 can get pretty fast [21:19] Well, it's not so much the processor as it is the read speed. [21:19] yep [21:19] Most of those drives suck for that. [21:19] s/drives/usb flash drives/ [21:19] well the dvd doesnt seem too bad... and ya this is just a cheapo 4gb stick [21:19] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/toshiba/toshiba.html [21:20] usb2 on a 333mhz ? hmh.. [21:20] er http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/sony/sony.html [21:20] mako-dono: [21:20] eeek [21:20] jeev: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macavity [21:20] Action: macavity was fragged by his keyboard [21:20] i have a chart in there about the various hdparm benchmarks from my onboard devices on a dual core laptop [21:20] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] i_is_cat: The only difference in speed will be the difference between reading from the DVD and reading from USB. All the unpacking stuff is CPU and RAM dependent. [21:21] well its one of those atom 1.6ghz cpus supposedly dual core i think and 1gb of ram so it shouldnt be too bad i dont think, i guess ill find out once its done copying [21:22] yeah [21:22] gkrellm is reporting the copy speed at between 2.4 and 3.4mb [21:22] Assuming the installer's kernel has all the stuff you need for accessing USB flash, which it should. [21:22] well i sure hope it does [21:22] i_is_cat, the atom procs are not dual core, they are hyperthreaded [21:22] Action: TwinReverb prepares his slackware-current and slackware64-current dvds [21:23] nachox, ya i wasnt sure about that [21:23] I thought some atom's were dual core? [21:23] there are some dual core atoms coming out soon but most are not dual core [21:23] i dont think any atom is dual core [21:23] and i think there are two dual core atoms on the market but i am not sure [21:23] the wiki page has a list of their specs [21:23] either dual core or 64 bit, i may have gotten the two confused [21:24] yep, some of the diamondville chips are dual core [21:24] see atom 330 [21:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom#Atom_300_series [21:25] ya mine is hyperthreading.. http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB73 [21:25] i'm adddicted to pen and teller [21:25] still for $329 you cant go wrong [21:26] yeah you just about can't [21:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.80) joined ##slackware. [21:26] as long as it has a REAL hard drive, not a "CF" hard drive or "SD HC" hard drive [21:26] 160gb [21:26] not to knock either of those, i just like lots of storage space [21:26] why? SSD is awesome [21:26] yeah the 160gb models are nice [21:26] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:26] i didn't say they weren't nice, just that i like 160gb or so [21:26] :) [21:26] if there was one that was affordable AND SSD 160GB i'd buy one [21:27] and its got dual sdhc slots so i could just add some big cards if i want more space [21:27] not like its anything compared to the 160gb hdd but i have a 16gb sdhc card for my cowon [21:27] because by the time you get a large capacity SD HC you paid as much as a hard drive 5 times that size [21:28] my laptop is 80 GB and I don't even come close. I still stick everything on an external drive [21:28] most of the shit ill be doing with this netbook will be in range of my network and ill probably be x forwarding my desktop most of the time [21:29] i_is_cat, check nx to use X remotely [21:29] i dont need nx [21:29] i use x remotely all the time without it [21:30] a few simple commands and pow there you go [21:30] i_is_cat, how? [21:30] Action: nachox cares about security [21:30] Action: macavity doesnt [21:31] security is for sissies [21:31] ctrl+alt+F2, login, xinit -- :1, then xhost +(ip addy of remote box) then ssh to the same remote box, then export DISPLAY=(localmachineip):1, then startx [21:31] sorry that should be ssh -X to the remote box [21:32] then when its all said and done you have local desktop on ctrl+alt+f7 and remote on ctrl+alt+f8 [21:32] works like a virtual kvm [21:32] what's wrong with using ssh for X forwarding, from a security standpoint? [21:33] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:33] and there is no command to do this on by itself? [21:33] antiwire: nothing. [21:33] nothing, [21:33] macavity, well maybe there could be.. [21:33] i just like nx because it has a windows client :P [21:34] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.151) joined ##slackware. [21:34] windows? arent those drawn by xorg? [21:34] :P [21:34] i_is_cat: Still copying? [21:34] yep it is [21:34] Wish you were doing this via the network now? [21:35] nfs over gb ethernet is a wonder [21:35] i've installed a kickstarted redhat in less than 5 min [21:35] lol ya well you've gotta work with what you've got right? [21:35] :) [21:35] Action: Alan_Hicks can never get NFS to perform worth a damn. [21:35] "security is for sissies" ... until someone posts pictures of you on the internet [21:35] my nfs for mythtv works great [21:36] not the internet!1111 [21:36] TwinReverb: just make sure there are never taken any photos of you :P [21:36] i have 5 different drives setup on my desktop which has the tuner and all the media, and it gets mounted on the frontend in the living room [21:36] Alan_Hicks, have you been following pNFS and NFSv4? [21:36] works great [21:37] macavity, or until someone steals your credit card to buy themselves a netbook or two >8-) [21:37] TwinReverb: then they have to get it from my wallet [21:38] nachox: No, not really. [21:38] Action: TwinReverb is going to take the plunge and run slackware-current and slackware64-current [21:38] i think im going to go make some coffee while this continues to copy brb [21:38] TwinReverb: and my wallet is located underneath a rather agressive arse that is, for obvious reasons, rather reluctant to move :P [21:39] macavity, your arse is aggressive? does it bite? 8-P [21:39] i_is_cat: i can haz a cup too? [21:39] TwinReverb: do you know what a meat hat is? [21:39] i'm not sure i want to know 8-S [21:39] Alan_Hicks, think of raid but for nfs [21:40] TwinReverb: that is when you have people arm locked with you legs, and sit full weight on the back of their head (with their face to the pavement) [21:40] nachox: Yeah, but I just don't ever seem to get decent through-put with NFS. I get better performance using samba and cifs. [21:40] TwinReverb: aka, agressivly arsing people :P [21:41] Alan_Hicks, i've heard linux nfs performance sucks unfortunately, i've had very good results in solaris [21:41] believe half of what you see and none of what you hear [21:42] TwinReverb, i trust alan :P [21:42] i trust Alan too, i'm just saying .... 8-) [21:43] Some people swear by NFS, but I've always had slow transfer speeds by it. [21:43] unfortunately, solaris is slow on its own! :) [21:43] never underestimate the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of digital tape [21:44] thrice`, not at all, but you'd not know, you have only tried it in toy hardware :P [21:44] oooh its done copying now [21:45] my C2D + 2 gigs of ram? :) [21:45] and the netbook recognizes it as sdb in dmesg thats good [21:45] as i said, toy hardware [21:45] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [21:45] Then mount /dev/sdb1 and install from a pre-mounted directory. [21:46] someone have some information why slackware.com was inacessible? (At least from brazil) [21:46] cool i will give it a shot [21:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] i_is_cat: mkdir /install_from_me; mount /dev/BLAH /install_from_me [21:46] guax: Probably hardware failure. It's an older machine and was experiencing problems yesterday. These things happen. [21:46] and when the installer asks, say "pre-mounted directory" and point it at /install_from_me/path/to/slackware/ [21:47] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) left irc: "leaving" [21:47] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) joined ##slackware. [21:47] Alan_Hicks, oh, ok, the problem is at least from last week, some people from #slackware-br where commenting. nothing that would kill anyone, just curiosity =P [21:47] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) left irc: Client Quit [21:48] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) joined ##slackware. [21:48] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) left irc: Client Quit [21:49] crazy macavity [21:51] someone donate a 1u pci-x riser (3) [21:51] lol [21:52] stfu jeev [21:52] :> [21:52] don't make us get the hose [21:52] now now antiwire, you wouldn't want to pull it out of your butt anyway ;) [21:52] i_is_cat: I can't garauntee you that the r8169 module will work after you've installed Slackware on the machine, FWIW, but you've got a much better shot with a full install. [21:52] lol [21:53] i think i got an 8169 [21:53] gabriel (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:54] sourpuss13 (n=3d848add@gateway/web/cgi-irc/sourpuss.net/x-c4dc109684568038) joined ##slackware. [21:54] i am using one right now [21:55] 05:07.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) [21:55] Action: jeev turns on antiwire's hose [21:55] (water hose) [21:55] hahaha [21:55] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [21:55] something fucked up during install and the system rebooted :S [21:55] lame [21:55] oh, then my rtl is something else then [21:56] i_is_cat, unstable power grid? [21:56] its on battery.. i was gonna plug it in once things got going [21:56] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] jeev: as long as it is not an 8139 you are happy [21:57] mine is a wireless hehe, i only use it when i need WEP passwords at distance [21:57] macavity, your pocket is happy with the 8139 [21:57] it's worth less than 2 coffees [21:58] nachox: they cant do DMA :-/ [21:58] Bresbo (n=sloth@198.202.202.22) joined ##slackware. [21:58] Eight inches ... Nine, and still growing. His erection was now [21:58] nachox: so by any metric, we have to conclude that it is worth less than 2 *decaf* coffees [21:58] half as thick as his own wrist as -with a grunt of sexual ecstasy- he [21:58] began to spurt enormous quantities of cum into Christa's throat. [21:58] Greedily, she slurped and sucked on him as the tingle began to fade. Drop [21:58] Channel flood from Bresbo -- kicking [21:58] by drop, she tried to stem the stream, but enormous quantities spilled out [21:58] Bresbo kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [21:58] so i have a dual dual opteron 285, 8 gigs of ram doing nothing at the datacenter [21:59] cause the sata controller blows [21:59] lol at bresbo [21:59] Action: jeev thinks that was antiwire on another computer [21:59] i kinda wanna see how it ends :\ [21:59] yeah right. [21:59] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-132.dial.telus.net) left irc: Excess Flood [21:59] thrice`, you already know!!! you're the receiver [21:59] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-132.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] :O [21:59] that's the face you make too lol [22:00] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:00] macavity, and only one tx ring, it sucks, yes [22:01] O_O [22:01] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:01] so it is basically a seriel-to-cat5 converter :P [22:02] heh [22:02] those null cables rule! [22:02] just get an etherkiller, it solves all your problems 8-) [22:02] macavity, almost, most of it is done in software, have you read the 8139too source code? only the comments should make you reconsider [22:03] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [22:03] sourpuss13 (n=3d848add@gateway/web/cgi-irc/sourpuss.net/x-c4dc109684568038) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:04] nachox: i have an entire pile of those in a box somewhere.. i threw out all the 8029 ones a couple of years ago [22:04] nachox: i only save them in case i want to play with building a router from scratch some day [22:04] rtl > intel [22:04] jeev: are you nuts?!? [22:04] ppsh [22:04] macavity, i still have some, the via rhime things are just as crappy [22:04] :> [22:04] intel > * [22:04] rtl > intel is like saying fedora > slackware [22:05] no, that is like saying windows95 > slackware13 [22:05] thrice`, actually the high end realtek stuff is nice [22:05] death by meat eating mice > fedora [22:05] hehe [22:05] but in the case of the realtek 8139 well... you get what you pay for [22:05] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-132.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [22:06] I have a cheap-o 3945 in my laptop [22:06] nachox: i have yet to see anything that can tackle a Intel PRO/1000GT at a price that is even remotely comparable [22:06] oh, i know one thing you guys cant say is better than rtl. [22:06] nvidia! [22:06] Action: TwinReverb loves all-intel onboard hardware on laptops but isn't partial [22:06] nachox: *unless* you need jumbo packages... the GT version only has 256KB RAM, but at twice the speed [22:07] intel is the microsoft of hardware, monsanto is the microsoft of agraculture, microsoft is the microsoft of OSs [22:08] hey what the term im trying to think of for a user that attaches unauthorized equipment to a biz network [22:08] macavity, well, sun and broadcom have good high end stuff, but they are REALLY expensive, i'd stick with intel for the desktop, yes [22:09] plus intel linux support is pretty top-notch [22:09] nachox: the server i built with two pro1000gt and one pro100 serves an office and an internet café [22:09] nothing like a necessary evil to keep things rolling [22:09] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@189-69-81-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "RAH" [22:10] welllll, i remember a pretty sound bug in the intel driver that was NASTY with capital letters [22:10] intel is not like M$ at all, that's the shittiest comparison i've ever read [22:10] nachox: ... dual tualatin 1266MHz... and at some 3% CPU load when things are hecktic [22:10] thrice`: i concur [22:11] but still, this is hardware [22:11] nachox: i'd say that vouches for the PR statment that "Intel PRO NICs agressively offloads the host CPU" :P [22:11] how much bandwidth macavity? [22:12] i did an office with dual wan, wan's = VT6105M/LOM Rhine III PCI Fast Ethernet Controller lol and lan's = nfe [22:12] thrice`, it actually is, it engaged in the same monopolic tactics ms does, offering discounts to oem to avoid amd procs, talked the skype guys into incapacitating skype in processors other than intel, hacked the compiler to create sub standard code in non intel micros, you name it [22:12] it was low budget [22:12] i hate those VIA Rhine ethernet chips [22:12] but it hasn't crapped it and it's been 2 years, voip+their php software + sql + squid, dansguardian, pf rules access lists [22:13] yea RipVanWinkle. i dont really care for them [22:13] jeev: 20Mbit ADSL connected to the 100mbit, 100 mbit switches with one 1gbit uplink to the 1000mbit cards [22:13] nachox: sure, but they are completely open to the linux world, which is awesome. look how that allows companies like red hat to push innovation forward [22:13] this one is 6 meg dsl + uncapped cable [22:13] hehe [22:14] i have one pc that has it, i disabled it in the BIOS and put a dlink 8139 in it, its cheap too but less troublesome [22:14] well being open to linux doesn't justify the bad they have done [22:14] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-254-32-185.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:14] obviously uncapped cable does ~30 megs when the pos network is ok [22:14] I wonder what will happen to non-linux OS's once hal gets obsoleted [22:14] jeev: the server also runs CUPS, dhcpd, dns, transparent proxy and samba shares [22:15] is there something being made to replace hal? [22:15] mine too1 [22:15] less CUPS [22:15] mine does freebsd/slackware depending on config pxe too, beat that [22:15] thrice`, they are completely open to the linux world because there it makes business sense, you dont see microsoft selling shitty hardware the same way they sell software, right? microsoft sells the best mice and keyboards in the market today imho and they are not that expensive either, business sense [22:15] the *kits + libudev will seemingly replace hal [22:16] oh man macavity, i have an awesome script i wrote for dual wan failover. runs every minute in cron, within 30 seconds will switch to DSL usually ;) [22:16] with GRE tunnels going to the freeswitch servers through each tunnel, so it's redundant [22:16] i had a diag somewhere [22:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy [22:16] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:17] things like solaris without udev might hurt :) [22:18] thrice`, ... [22:19] microsoft is software not hardware [22:19] their hardware is made by someone else [22:19] microSOFT [22:19] nachox: ? [22:19] yes, their hardware is made by someone else, but microsoft cares enough not to have someone useless do that for them [22:20] macavity, http://x.jeev.net/diag.jpg [22:20] kind of old, it's not disasterisk anymore [22:20] my terminology is probably off too [22:21] thrice`, not only linux evolves, solaris and the rest of the os's will adapt, that's how it works [22:21] nachox: but, do you have something similar to udev? I mean, if x.org depends on it, for example? [22:22] thrice`: doesnt *BSD have something like udev? [22:23] no clue, actually - thus my curiosity :) [22:23] thrice`, yes of course, solaris is in the process to integrate a new hotplug framework as we speak, and solaris manages /dev with devfsadm, it has not had a static /dev for ages [22:24] but i cant say that i am sorry that hald is going away... it has never played nice here [22:24] i hate hal. doing things like checking for a new CD every 2 seconds is hardly innovative :> [22:24] i always have to hal-disable-polling --device /dev/sr0 [22:24] haha, yes exactly [22:25] Where do you guys do that? [22:25] antiwire: at the command line [22:25] it gives me another 15 minutes or so of battery life :) [22:25] antiwire: type hal- :P [22:25] thrice`, it kills the cpu throttling stuff :P [22:25] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:25] ...gee thanks for that macavity [22:25] You just manually do it? Can't hal scripts be changed? [22:25] thrice`: here it just makes hal stop resetting the link that the cdrom is on (which also holds /) [22:25] DukeOfMilan (n=DukeOfMi@unaffiliated/dukeofmilan) joined ##slackware. [22:25] but if udev got smarter as a result of hal, I guess it's OK [22:26] anyhows, good night [22:26] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [22:26] thrice`, what else does it do? [22:26] udev i mean [22:27] well, xorg will be able to use it for hotplugging, which will be nice [22:28] http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/07/03/die-hal-die/ as another example [22:32] thrice`, http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2008/181/inception.materials/ [22:37] well night night all [22:37] super baked [22:40] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [22:47] it would be neat if they sold sonar bat goggles [22:47] i mean ultrasonic night vision [22:52] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:00] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [23:04] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:05] Nick change: BringingSexyBack -> TwinReverb [23:08] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [23:08] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:11] Action: SiegeX turns his stereo up to DoS pi31415 [23:11] That's the funniest blog post I've read in a while [23:14] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:14] VampirePenguin: the solution is in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf ... let me know and i will paste what i changed to a pastebin for you. you have to restart hald and your x session also. [23:16] sirboderafael (n=sirboder@189.14.242.94) joined ##slackware. [23:16] hey dtanner [23:16] kk let me fire up taht box [23:16] we need to wiki this or paste in a forum/sticky [23:17] this has been a issue for a lot of ppl and i dont think theyve been getting a resolution [23:17] What issue? [23:18] gnome has a polkit automount problem [23:18] its not readain /etc/groups perms right [23:19] [23:19] [23:19] [23:19] Channel flood from rworkman -- kicking [23:19] [23:19] [23:19] rworkman kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:19] it is actually not polkits problem , it is a change in hal.conf. hal-0.5.11 default hal.conf does not have the needed changes but hal-0.5.12 does. [23:19] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [23:19] heh [23:19] hehe [23:19] How much of that went through? [23:20] but the err i had also metnion dbus and polkit [23:20] so isnt it a combo [23:20] -current has the correct hal.conf entries for correct dbus interaction [23:20] 4 lines [23:20] oh does it [23:20] no it is more than just 4 lines that need changing [23:20] Hrm, my playing with polkit is limited; I should stay out of this. [23:20] yes [23:21] dtanner: the hal.conf in -current is *wrong* or *right* ?? [23:21] it is correct [23:21] ah, okay [23:22] You guys must be working with 12.2 perhaps? [23:22] yes [23:22] yes [23:22] ah, okay [23:22] dtanner, what is that set of diffs [23:22] i will pastebin it for you [23:22] sec [23:22] sure ty [23:22] it almost looks like polkit in cli [23:22] You can pull the hal.conf from -current and use it with no problems -- just one change is needed: sed s/netdev/users/g [23:23] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.39.244) joined ##slackware. [23:23] yeah that will work too VampirePenguin [23:23] i will paste it anyways [23:23] That's probably best. :) [23:23] it was the exact line i mentioned earlier that needed added , plus more for things we were not aware of that may break [23:23] hmmm ive mod'd this file .. i wonder waht else is changing [23:24] dtanner: mind a pm? [23:24] i will paste the orginal section then below it the new section VampirePenguin [23:24] rworkman: not at all [23:24] k [23:24] sure dtanner [23:25] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6239.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] rworkman, although we were talking earlier tonight with alienBOB about intel and X and -current with for me having constant plasma crashes but if a couple fiels from X arent used that stabilizes 4.2.4 [23:27] its just rebuilding my box [23:28] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-143-185.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:28] when i put -current on i wanted to go in the directions of where development is going and have the newtxz format.. [23:28] anyway [23:28] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-138-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [23:29] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:30] have you all seen this web site... http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse/sort-by-votes [23:30] i haven't had to do any half.conf changes for automounting with policykit [23:30] its like a kid in a candy store [23:30] s/half.conf/hal.conf [23:31] for me the eee is usb/sd and not being able to mount thos peripials doesnt work well [23:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:37] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] VampirePenguin: "if a couple files from X aren't used" <-- huh? I don't understand [23:39] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [23:39] some of the effects... compostie and a few others i dont remeber because of the intel graphics [23:40] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] juice: are you using -current? [23:40] xrender i think was another one [23:40] nope 12.2 [23:41] dtanner, did i miss the pastebin [23:41] no , i am just now getting to it. gimme a minute [23:41] okay np sometimes i miss stuff [23:41] VampirePenguin: are you on -current? [23:42] no but im thinkin with todays conversation that i will hop to it [23:42] i liked it when the plasmas worked [23:42] development is going that way 3.5.x is dead [23:42] them there is the new txz format [23:43] the plasmas were my killer [23:43] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.26.82) left irc: "Leaving" [23:45] kde4 has issues. I'll leave it at that. [23:45] It looks nice. [23:45] For me at least, it's utterly worthless otherwise. Conceptially, I *LOVE* kde4. In practice, well, yeah. [23:45] VampirePenguin: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/AB6PCZ17.html [23:46] finally found other people having the 100% cpu usage with vbox 3.0.0 [23:46] rworkman: for me KDE4 came with an interesting feature ;) [23:47] VampirePenguin: i took the plugdev section out of -currents hal.conf, so thank rworkman for that. =) [23:47] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-163.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:48] VampirePenguin: this is where i found a clue stick for the error -> http://www.mail-archive.com/blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org/msg09191.html (hal 0.5.2 has these changes in the default hal.conf but we are using hal-0.5.11 which does not have those lines by default [23:49] s/0.5.2/0.5.12/ [23:53] BP{k}: oh? [23:53] i can't believe we are having to patch 0.5.11 to use udevadm instead of (deprecated) udevinfo. 0.5.12 corrects that also. 0.5.12 will not compile because of -> Requested 'blkid >= 1.43' but version of blkid is 1.41.3 ( blkid is in e2fsprogs-1.41.3-i486-1 ) [23:55] BP{k}: s/konsole/konsuck/ ? [23:55] rworkman: seemed "Switch_To_XFCE" was enabled here ;) [23:55] Ah I had that feature too. That made KDE4 much more tolerable. [23:56] rob0: among others, aye. KDE4 just gets too much in my way of working in a way that KDE3 never did, making XFCE a good replacement. [23:58] dtanner: you need the blkid in util-linux-ng-2.15.x. [23:58] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjdlkja@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: [23:58] Mind you, it won't compile on 32bit for a strange reason that neither I nor the u-l-ng lead dev can figure out. [23:58] BP{k}: ah :D [23:59] rworkman: I see. well we don't like to replace stock packages when we don't have to of course. [23:59] BP{k} / robo0: Does kaudiocreator fail hard for you too? As in, you can't change the encoder [23:59] dtanner: understood [23:59] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [23:59] It should be easier next time around; last I checked, the git repo leading to u-l-ng-2.16.x builds fine on both, and it has the blkid and uuid stuff moved from e2fsprogs [00:00] --- Sat Jul 4 2009