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[00:18] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:24] jrodger, see Hauraki's stream is still a little wonky [00:28] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:30] Hauraki's stream? [00:31] jrodger, radio...New Zealand,right? [00:31] They're not part of Australia yet, although there is a move toward assymilating the kiwis as Aussies. I'min Sydney,Australia [00:32] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] Action: MLanden smacks head....sorry about that [00:34] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Mlanden: no probs, they're just the poor cousins anyway......oops! [00:37] well,I do like FBI Radio as well...:D [00:45] gunboat (~quest@125.161.13.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:47] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.71.58) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:47] slack-o (~tanis@189.26.15.58.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:50] jd- (~jds@76.177.195.56) joined ##slackware. [00:51] what do i need to get my wireless antenna to work in slackware? [00:51] hook itup tot he card? [00:52] you think it'll work with just the software from the cds alone:? [00:52] an antenna requires no software [00:52] the wireless interface card on the other hand, most surely will [00:52] andarius, true [00:52] maybe i have one of them then [00:53] jd-: well, when you know you do, and you know what model it is, then odds are some one here can help [00:53] jd-, what's the make/model of your wifi? [00:54] brb, pulling out wifithinger to look at it [00:55] jd_returns (~jds@cpe-76-177-195-56.natcky.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:55] all it says is it's a 'linksys speedbooster' [00:56] no model number on it anywhere? [00:56] no [00:57] laptop, desktop, pcmcia, pci? [00:58] jd- (~jds@76.177.195.56) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:58] oh [00:58] jd_returns, does it look like this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=33-124-076-S01&SCList=33-124-076-S01%2c33-124-076-S02%2c33-124-076-S03%2c33-124-076-S04%2c33-124-076-S05&S7ImageFlag=2&Item=N82E16833124076&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=Linksys%20WUSB54GSC%20USB%202.0%20Network%20Adapter%20with%20SpeedBooster [00:59] for some reason the model number is on the cd, it's WUSB54GSC [00:59] MLanden, yeah [00:59] gunboat (~quest@125.161.9.55) joined ##slackware. [00:59] lol....;)...so I guess,yes.... [00:59] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.71.58) joined ##slackware. [01:00] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:01] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [01:02] You do not "pull out a wifi thing to look at it." You leave it plugged in and pastebin lsusb(8) output. [01:02] lol [01:02] haha [01:02] Action: thumbs pulls rob0's leg [01:02] it's technically a thingy [01:02] not a thing [01:02] okay, I stand corrected, but so do you. [01:03] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:03] i don't have lsusb(8) on windows 7 [01:03] i have snap! [01:04] device manager has useful info [01:04] you don't have a Linux machine you can plug it into? [01:04] Consider adding a live CD/USB to your toolkit. [01:04] jd_returns: use a live CD [01:05] is there such a thing as a live slackware cd? o.o [01:05] Chances are very good that your device already works. [01:05] jd_returns: slax. [01:07] tino27 (~tino27@208-40-4-106.ipv4.firstcomm.com) joined ##slackware. [01:11] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:13] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [01:13] yeeeeeeee [01:14] bagira (~bagira@unaffiliated/bagira) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:15] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:16] You can look at those "weird numbers and letters" in Windows' Device Manager tab, and then look them up in /usr/share/{pci,usb).ids [01:16] I've done that quite a few times :) [01:17] i just google 'em :P [01:17] Yet another way that Windows pisses me off. How fucking har would it be to ship a pci and usb id file fo rhtat. [01:17] Well, that works too [01:17] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [01:18] Whenever I have to use a windows box regularly these days, usb and pci ids always go on there, as does gvim. [01:18] chipster: you missed it. We just passed out naked pics of Eliza Dushku. [01:19] They're all over at the Lemon Party site. [01:19] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:21] can i use slax co completely format my hard drive? [01:21] sure [01:21] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] can i just say to the cd, format the hard drive!, and it'll do it, or do i have to do some fancy command like rm -r /? [01:22] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:22] You can say whatever you want. [01:22] Slackbook might help you get started. [01:22] fwiw, don't paste commands like that in here [01:23] I tried it once [01:23] One newb might cause another newb's computer to die like that. [01:23] a mkfs command on your device will suffice [01:23] ok [01:23] newbs, please strike that command from your brain cells and use /clear to remove it from your screens [01:24] jd_returns (~jds@cpe-76-177-195-56.natcky.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:25] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=416 [01:25] haha nice [01:26] You could be much more diabolical about it by enclosing something like this in $(): echo 'blzr8gzmzg8 4-28rbzlf 7/14' | tr -d blz8g4271 [01:26] rob0: hahahaha really?! [01:26] please tell me you were just playing [01:26] hehe [01:26] I leave that as an exercise for the reader. [01:26] ...well I tend to assume the worst [01:27] quick, someone duct tape his hands behind his back before he causes more damage! [01:27] Duct tape? Nice touch! You might be a redneck! [01:27] 'cept a true redneck calls it Duck Tape [01:28] well hell, where I'm from, we warsh our clothes in the worter of the crick [01:28] jth (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [01:28] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:28] $ if (getent group wheel | grep -q rob0 ) ; then printf "raela, your sarcasm detector is broken.\n"; fi [01:28] raela, your sarcasm detector is broken. [01:29] Added: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:08:36 UTC [01:29] ...you mean I had one? damn, I'll go call in for a replacement [01:29] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:31] rirombo (~rirombo@h28.3.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] jd- (~jds@cpe-76-177-195-56.natcky.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:33] slax didn't get the wireless adapter working :<< [01:34] get us some lsusb, or even just the USB ID from device manager, and maybe we can point you in the right direction [01:34] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] which happens to be --------------> that way [01:35] its model number is WUSB54GSC [01:35] Loving my new video card. [01:35] USB Wireless? Fun. [01:37] bagira (~bagira@unaffiliated/bagira) joined ##slackware. [01:37] wtf: http://pastebin.com/ze0eCrPF [01:37] easy, I got one today. pulled firmware and configured the card :) [01:39] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: logic is all fine and dandy, till a lion is chewing on your ass. then what... [01:41] so, you're not going to do what I asked. [01:41] mmm i tried but im just going to turn my computer off and become a hermit meditating all day [01:41] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/p54 [01:42] not an exact match of model #; you really need the device ID [01:42] thanks trhodes [01:43] rirombo (~rirombo@h28.3.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:43] Expecting others to work harder than yourself is not a formula for success in Slackware. [01:44] ok rob0 [01:45] don't have a heart attack [01:45] i mena you no harm [01:45] *mean [01:46] asarch (~asarch@187.132.140.233) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:46] rob0 has daily heart attacks [01:46] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.219) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:48] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] bagira (~bagira@unaffiliated/bagira) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:49] "USB\VID_1737&PID_0075&REV_0001 [01:49] " is this mister USB ID? [01:49] darn you invisible newline! [01:53] what is dmesg telling you? [01:54] win-bloze 7 do not have a dmesg stinky [01:55] looks like a ralink [01:55] sbsdoze (~spookywo0@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: [01:59] no I'm pretty sure the newline is still there. what's really invisible is the carriage return :) [02:00] seems how the kernel adds \r for you [02:01] Anjo_Malvado (~eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: Quit: reboot with new kernel [02:01] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:03] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [02:07] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:08] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:10] \r [02:10] ... [02:11] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.71.58) joined ##slackware. [02:12] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [02:13] shadowx (~slack@singularity.darknetx.eu) left irc: Quit: [BX] Abort Retry Fail [02:14] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.71.58) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:15] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:16] has anyone experimented with darktable on slackware 12? [02:17] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:17] it doesn't seem to like my pkg-config [02:21] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:23] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:32] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [02:35] jhw (~jhw@p579823A0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] grazymax (~grazymax@host43-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:37] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:45] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:56] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-131.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:58] hmm, I didn't think slackware hides itself on the network usually? I set up dropbear onthe installer and it got an ip address, and its showing as down from all of my other machines [02:59] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-52-15.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:59] weird. All 1000 scanned ports on 192.168.0.12 are filtered [02:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [03:00] fatalnix, you are scanning the wrong box. there is no firewall in the installer :) [03:00] they might be closed, but not filtered. [03:01] unless I'm mistaken and there is one :-/ [03:01] I dont think I'm scanning the wrong box, unless my laptop is on the wrong network again even though it shows I'm on my network [03:01] that's happened before [03:02] thought I was on my network, ended up being on someone elses even though iwconfig and everything was showing accordingly [03:03] hmm, then again, I wouldnt have seen the NAS and the printer either. [03:03] with my ping scan, that is [03:04] Ah I see, it appears though it got the ip address, the router still is not allowing it to send messages through the network, etc [03:06] jhw (~jhw@p579823A0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:07] I can tell you what it was :) [03:07] i'm listening [03:08] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:09] one of the network switches was dropping connectivity every few secconds. [03:09] haha [03:10] I don't blame it, it only has 3 out of 5 working ports left [03:10] was struck by lightning twice [03:10] that happens. we have some 3com soho swithches in the university where I studied, they tend to hang periodically by no reason. [03:10] are you serious? twice? [03:11] s/by/for [03:11] lol....good to know it had 3 left to use...:D [03:11] s/swithches/switches :) [03:11] yep. We have DSL [03:11] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [03:11] that's the only real downside, telephone line is the first to hit. [03:13] GodDarwin (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:13] Action: slava_dp unplugged his dsl line the other day when the storm came for good measure [03:14] fatalnix, it happens...friend of mine was telling me 'bout one lucky bolt that caused him grandma's phone to explode [03:14] good morning folks. [03:14] gm mancha [03:14] exploding phone [03:14] MLanden, wow [03:15] that'll end grandma's chats [03:15] mornin', mancha [03:15] illovae (~C-18@unaffiliated/illovae) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:15] morning mancha [03:15] gh0 (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:16] one of those old rotary-dial ones too....thought they could take some abuse...reckon not..:D [03:16] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:16] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:18] i like the ones where you spoke into the fixed part and put the earpiece to your ear :) [03:19] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:19] http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/Talks/0508-query-log-privacy/old-telephone.jpg [03:19] i think that was my ex gf [03:20] mwahaha [03:20] can i upgrade pkg-config without dinking my install? [03:21] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Well I solved that problem rather quickly :D [03:22] jumped two network switches. [03:23] DAMN IT not again! [03:23] I'm rebooting the main router [03:23] what has the router to do with connectivity over switches... [03:23] shonudo: what would be the problem? install of what? of slackware? why are you mentionning pkg-config specifically [03:24] adrien: can i use pkg-config from 12.1 on 12.0? [03:24] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:24] mornin [03:24] hey tripFantastic [03:24] i think i have termcap prob [03:24] hihi [03:24] i'm obviously up too late [03:24] why? [03:24] shonudo: hmmm, I think you can pretty safely recompile it (don't use the binary package right away) [03:24] shonudo: but why? [03:24] shonudo, still keeping 12.0 around, eh? :) [03:24] to test a beta app (go figure) [03:25] the intermix is when I want elinks to dump output and i get what is reminiscent of dos ascii display codes [03:25] #TTY is correct [03:25] tripFantastic, is your terminal unicode-aware? [03:25] $TTY [03:25] slava_dp, yeah, still around [03:25] chkng [03:25] shonudo: yeah, take the slackbuild, recompile, worst case, it'll fail because of glib2 being too old but I highly doubt it [03:25] chking elinks source [03:26] slava_dp: everything is set up just right, the laptop runs like a champ... no compelling need to upgrade [03:26] adrien: yeah, that makes sense [03:26] i'll do that [03:27] (tempted to alter the beta app before changing anything on my install, to be honest) [03:27] shonudo, mine ran 12.2 before 13.1 came. but there's a problem of installing software on anything but the latest slack. [03:27] slava_dp [mornin] LC_ALL="", the others are en_US.UTF-8 [03:27] on the latest slack you get the latest slackbuilds.org [03:27] slava_dp chking src for LC_ALL [03:27] slava_dp: s/slack/linux distro/ ;-) [03:27] and the latest libs, etc [03:27] yeah [03:28] fatalnix_ (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] adrien, not really, debian gets updates iirc. [03:28] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:28] this is rediculous, I can't get an IP address, it just doesn't get any offers. [03:28] wireless is fine. [03:28] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [03:28] make it an offer it can't refuse... [03:28] slava_dp: I think it has the same problems, or some maintainer has to do porting, but the problem is still there [03:29] breakfast! [03:29] slava_dp ok no "LC_*" in src; very strange [03:30] adrien, have a good meal [03:30] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [03:31] gunboat (~quest@125.161.9.55) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:32] slava_dp any suggestions? [03:33] not really [03:33] hmm [03:33] this is annoying cuz i always forget how i prefixed the last time [03:34] if it's in a tty, do you have a unicode font selected? [03:34] the _start thingy? [03:34] no, just a font that doesn't only have ascii symbols. [03:34] setconsolefont [03:34] k [03:34] kk [03:35] rapid (rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:37] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [03:38] Just realized, I used 13.0's installer to install 13.1 on my laptop but I can't do that with my desktop becaise the os disk will be IDE. [03:39] ok share/local/ doesnt have a *-utf|UTF dir; is that significant? [03:39] I guess I could.. [03:39] locale/ [03:39] I'd have to edit fstab later right? [03:39] it's always good to review fstab [03:39] dont leave anything unviewed [03:40] leave no stone unturned [03:40] fatalnix_, fstab and lilo.conf [03:40] I know I'm saying that it will try to read from sd(n) instead of hd(n) [03:40] s/stone/bits [03:40] I'll try it just for kicks D [03:40] :D* [03:42] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [03:43] slava_dp: thanks =) [03:43] m3tti (~user@p57B7D1A3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:47] oh right, yeah lilo too. I guess I just have to guess if it will be sda or sdb then, or even sdc [03:47] I have a sata disk in it too [03:47] and a cd drive on the seccond ide cable [03:47] chk bios too [03:48] I think it will be sdb [03:48] dont guess [03:48] I don't have to look in the bios [03:48] you can always boot the installed kernel and it will tell you what drives it found. then you boot off the installer and modify lilo :) [03:49] s/found/finds/ [03:49] crap [03:49] fatalnix it'll be a quick fix either way (in case you misguess). so don't weat it and in the immortal words of the great philospher nike, just do it. [03:49] that's true as well [03:49] heh [03:49] the computer case is open, cd drive is seccondary master, os drive is primary master, aqnd sata sisk will, if like any other system I've had, been detected first. [03:50] disk* [03:50] so I hve to guess wither way, if I don't get it the firsttime, it woul tell me so I could fix it for the seccond time. [03:50] have* [03:51] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.255) joined ##slackware. [03:51] fatalnix_, you can also use labels or uuids, if you add/remove disks frequently, that'll keep your stuff in order. [03:51] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [03:52] hmm. That would definately work. How do you use uuid's anyways? I've seen other systems ask to set it up for you, but never really known how to do it myself. [03:53] use blkid to find out UUIDs and labels of your drives [03:54] ooh, wow thats muchbetter than /dev/disk/by-uuid :D [03:54] thanks :) [03:54] than you write label=MYLABEL, or UUID={3dfg-kh-809s-dgvk} instead of /dev/sda in fstab :) [03:54] it only seems to work on the sata disk though [03:55] karlmag (~karlmag@it010246.klientdrift.uib.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:56] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:56] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-131.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:57] http://codepad.org/QrtEnHRQ <- I has UUIDs for all partitions [03:57] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [03:58] although the msdos one won't be very unique I guess [03:58] but still it has one [03:58] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [03:58] yeah, if I use blkid with /dev/hda1 for example it doesn't return a thing [03:59] or does it need to be formatted first? [03:59] just run blkid [03:59] no options are needed [04:00] oh, sure, there needs to be a filesystem :D [04:00] UUID is a filesystem id. [04:00] oh alright [04:00] hopefully it works with jfs [04:01] it should work for anything. [04:01] true, if it works for MSDOS lol [04:01] tell me about jfs, what's good about it? [04:02] well, hate me for being an IBM fanboy, but it's supposed to be great for networking, I've never seen it corrupt- ever, and it checks the filesystem in under 5 secconds, never seen it take longer. [04:02] not that I can remember anyways [04:02] wobbles (~huntsman@C-61-68-174-254.bur.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:02] but I would recommend if you use lvm you never ever reduce the size of a jfs partition [04:03] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-107-69.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:03] does it die a painful death? [04:03] I think someone said it's slightly safer with ext4 but it always corrupts with jfs, but I've reduced /var and /usr, etc with it before, its easily doable, just a bit more time consuming and you need space to back up EVERYTHING [04:04] so it will corrupt then, but I don't blame it [04:04] XFS is pretty nice too, but one day.. and I was warned about this. [04:04] heh, you don't blame it for corrupting? who's to blame then? :D [04:04] It just decided to eat itself [04:04] well you're reccommended not to reduce lfs volumes anyways [04:04] huh? eat itself? [04:05] XFS did, yep [04:05] I was using it one day and it just started to nom nom it's inodes [04:05] or whatever it was [04:05] not sure if it uses inodes [04:05] fun. I use xfs for /var on a server :-) [04:05] but I've been told it's not so safe [04:06] lol [04:06] fast though [04:06] just because ext4 eats 25 gigs for a 500 gb partition. I decided to stick to xfs [04:07] it does? [04:07] wow. [04:07] around that [04:07] i just made an epicfail yesterday or so [04:07] i recommend fat16 [04:07] yeah, it takes a lot of space for big partitions [04:07] hubbe (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:07] and is limited to 16TB partitions ;p [04:07] and there's this inode limit for ext* [04:07] not knowing I used ext3 for compatability with grub on an arch system, /usr ate itself, I have /home inside of /usr because I like it that way- and i forced ext4 checks on it [04:08] mancha: fat16 is perfect with 128MB clusters =) [04:08] so you have to precreate it with the news profile if you plan to store lots of files [04:08] actually, I'm not sure it'd be enough [04:08] after sighing and ignoring the WARNING: SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE. continue? y/n... [04:09] when I rebooted up to now I checked the disk, they're formatted ext3 [04:09] wobbles (~huntsman@C-61-68-174-254.bur.connect.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:09] and xfs is *really* safe [04:09] if you have an unclean shutdown, then yeah, what hasn't been written... won't be written [04:09] but every fs will have this problem [04:10] journaled filesystems are better for that [04:10] usually [04:11] but xfs is journaled too [04:11] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [04:12] I've had unclean shutdowns on the box that runs /var on xfs, it's a zoneminder surveillance box, and mysql tables were corrupted. Now I've disabled disk write cache (the box uses mdraid-1 too), that will hopefully mitigate the problem. [04:12] but it will have a ups when it goes into production, surely. [04:12] I shut down my machines by force all the time [04:13] never had a problem when I use JFS or reiserfs for those systems [04:14] slava_dp: have to ask: you disabled barriers on the xfs partition too? [04:14] so my plan is to use the 100 gig sata as a zfs pool [04:14] slava_dp: and yeah, disk write cache has turned evil [04:14] my friends and I, well I came up with this idea we'd all set up a vpn even and pool all of our spare disks :D [04:14] or something [04:15] journalling doesn't guarantee data integrity anyway, it only guarantees that the filesystem itself will remain ok [04:15] oh I know it [04:16] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:18] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [04:19] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) joined ##slackware. [04:20] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:21] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:23] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-163-62.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:26] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:28] wtf [04:28] setup not found, that's not good [04:28] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [04:28] fail [04:28] yaya journaling [04:29] doesn't work over ssh works on the desktop itself, that stinks [04:29] fatalnix_: careful with vpn and shared data storage, if you use it like a SAN and your connection goes down, you could hose your data [04:29] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:29] hmm. zfs should prevent the loss [04:29] do you plan to use zfs on linux/fuse or bsd? [04:30] linux fuse probably. [04:30] in theory yes, however, there are reports of zfs being very lossy in standard use [04:30] it will be slower but lol [04:30] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) got netsplit. [04:30] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) got netsplit. [04:30] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) got netsplit. [04:30] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) got netsplit. [04:30] amazon101 (captain@liberstation.com) got netsplit. [04:30] yeah, its sad the CPPL won't let us port it to hte linux kernel [04:30] itl be about half as fast as xfs [04:30] amazon10x (captain@liberstation.com) joined ##slackware. [04:30] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) returned to ##slackware. [04:30] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [04:30] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) left irc: Changing host [04:30] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [04:30] wowza nellie! [04:30] i run a zfs pool on my FreeNAS FreeBSD based box [04:30] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) returned to ##slackware. [04:30] really nice [04:31] 8TB pool [04:31] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) returned to ##slackware. [04:31] and theres no way someone can't write a module that says no warranty this'l taint your kernel? [04:31] naw, that person would get their rear sued off [04:31] I hate it when they make licenses that strict [04:31] the zfs-fuse package at slackbuild.org i made :) [04:32] heh [04:32] now that oracle has sun, they might try and change the license, but that would be years down the road [04:32] anyone who has so much as commented the code has to sign off on it [04:32] how do you normally attach two machines' zfs pools together? [04:32] just like any other filesystem, with iscsi or something? [04:32] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:32] yeah [04:33] sshfs might be interesting but slow [04:33] iscsi is the fastest [04:33] NFS could work [04:33] actually ZFS is designed to work with NFS [04:33] if I am talking outside of the network I can get the cisco router set up, exporting iscsi over ipsec [04:33] fancy [04:33] yeah butthe cisco router is old [04:34] why worry about ipsec though if its on the private network? [04:34] what model? [04:34] im CCIE ;) [04:34] 2509 [04:34] hmm [04:34] its a remote access server [04:34] does that one have encryption hardware? not familiar with tha tmodel [04:34] remote access router * [04:34] so it should have ipsec [04:34] I'm not sure, never been able to really boot it up [04:35] hannah_murray (srijan4@plox.tor.hu) joined ##slackware. [04:35] I need a console cable [04:35] oh god [04:35] 20MHz processor [04:35] don't run ipsec on that thing :p [04:35] it will crash and burn [04:35] and to hook it up to machines, you hook it up to the AUI or if you want asyncronius theres a SCSI connector in the back [04:35] not really [04:35] you realize the N64 was 70 mhz right? [04:35] lulz [04:36] amazon101 (captain@liberstation.com) got lost in the net-split. [04:36] hannah_murray (srijan4@plox.tor.hu) left irc: Client Quit [04:36] the machine behind my bed here is 66 mhz [04:36] its not doing a 3 phase encryption protocol [04:36] hannah_murray (srijan4@plox.tor.hu) joined ##slackware. [04:36] hmm [04:36] and that 2509 doesn't have much advanced ASIC [04:36] it will be doing all routing on the CPU [04:36] that 20MHz CPU [04:36] and then you want to add ipsec to that? [04:36] well I don't have 20,000 $ for a new one so meh [04:36] lol [04:36] this is true [04:36] however [04:36] look at the 2600 series devices [04:37] hannah_murray (srijan4@plox.tor.hu) left irc: Client Quit [04:38] you can at least get IPSec add on cards for those [04:38] they are like 30 bucks on ebay too (the device, not hte modules) [04:38] maybe spend a few hundered in modules [04:38] i run one of these at home [04:38] "3-phase encryption protocol" ? [04:38] makes a nice firewall [04:38] hmm [04:38] IPsec is a 3 phase protocol [04:38] http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps259/product_data_sheet0900aecd800fa5be.html [04:38] do I need the scsi cables and AUI crap though with those? [04:38] Action: adaptr wonders where gniks bought the CCIE [04:39] what are you talkinga bout adaptr? [04:39] eah sec [04:39] the 2609doesnt have ethernet ports you see [04:39] http://certs4u.info/2500%20router/cisco%202509%20router%20%282%29.jpg [04:39] its a modular router, you have to buy ethernet port modules to add the functionality [04:40] yeah. I was told you can hool up an ethertnet to the AUI [04:40] and the SCSI was more for asyncronius terminals or something [04:40] are you looking to export LUNs on the network? [04:41] adaptr: i got the CCIE via Cisco and my job paid for it [04:41] probably not [04:41] wait.. I can hook raid arrays to that? [04:41] gniks: you do understand that the first answer stating "I never heard of such a device" after you say that is funny [04:42] adaptr: i said that "I am not familiar with that model" [04:42] there are literally hundreds of cisco platforms [04:42] each as different as the next [04:43] i had to look at the data sheeet to know what that device offered [04:43] can someone on 13.1 do: find /usr/include -name arrayobject.h [04:43] CCIE doesn't give a shit if you know the platform, it cares if you know the underlying technologies [04:43] i don't think you can hook up arrays to either the 2500 or 2600 devices [04:43] there may be cards for them though [04:44] mancha: nada [04:44] nada here as well mancha [04:44] hrmm, thanks! :/ [04:44] gniks: ooh, touchy subject eh ? probably a foo.ru cert after all :P [04:45] not a touchy subject& i just don't like the fact that you quoted me saying something i in fact did not say [04:45] get your facts straight before you try and crucify someone [04:45] excuse me ? "cruficy" ? [04:45] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:45] hahaha tyop ftw [04:45] fatalnix_: naw, you can't hook the arrays up through these devices [04:46] so does CCIE not require you to know IOS? [04:46] it very much so requires you to know IOS [04:46] IOS from one platform to another is extremely similar [04:46] and CatOS and PIXOS [04:46] not PIXOS any longer [04:46] its ASAOS [04:46] CatOS is going away [04:46] thankfully [04:47] it is time [04:47] for DogOS [04:47] lulz [04:47] and when they start losing money [04:47] they will have a catdog cartoon commercial and call it CatDogOS [04:47] CCIE cares that you know the current flagship platforms such as Nexus and 6500, and 2600, etc& [04:47] remember that cartoon? [04:47] yeah, horrible cartoon [04:48] adrien (~adrien@nautica.notk.org) joined ##slackware. [04:48] :p [04:48] I forgot most of it [04:48] adrien, did I disable barriers on xfs? no, should I? [04:48] we thought about nexus, but replacing our already-fine 6500 just because we're moving to vmware probably doesn't make much sense [04:49] not at this time, id have to agree with that [04:49] slava_dp: barriers are meant to avoid problems with write cache on disks [04:49] nexus are sexy though [04:49] they lower performance (especially for journal-intensive workloads) [04:49] adrien, oh, so if I don't have any write cache, I don't need barriers any more. that right? [04:50] I was actually curious if it was safe to have lvm over the network and be able to shut down the machines when I wanted. [04:50] slava_dp: yes! [04:50] I didn't think so [04:50] cool, I'll get rid of barriers on monday :-) thanks for the hint, adrien! [04:50] fatalnix_: not a good plan [04:50] um [04:50] yeah [04:50] if you don't have write cache, I wouldn't suggest any sort of redundant storage [04:50] slava_dp: actually, I benchmarked write_cache+barriers and no_write_cache+no_barriers, and here, no write cache and no barriers was faster =) [04:51] write cache? [04:51] how would you set that up? [04:51] you can have as much write cache in memory as you want [04:51] gniks: ...no ? [04:51] with zfs, yes [04:51] slava_dp: mount with -o nobarrier [04:51] adrien, nice. what tool do you use for benchmarking disks? [04:51] ah, ZFS. [04:51] ah [04:52] lets also not forget about block caching [04:52] at the kernel level [04:52] but cache on the disk is much faster [04:52] it has more impact than memory, and don't even think about mismatching the blockdev cache and the (numdisks*diskcache) [04:53] that is correct [04:53] my point is, if your drive doesn't have a lot of cache on board, you can stuff it in RAM [04:53] slava_dp: I wrote my own: on a clean partition, I had different mount option combinations and I was timing mount+untar+umount+mount+rm(the untar'ed folder)+umount [04:53] I tested some 4-disk raid-5 setups with 256K md blocks and 768K blockdev readahead vs. 64K md blocks and 1024K blockdev readaheads - both on the md device and the single disks [04:53] errr, sync+umount, not only umount [04:54] You are NOT the weakest link. HELO. [04:54] (there's something that makes umount only take much more time than sync+umount, been reported on the kernel bugzilla/mailing-list [04:54] ) [04:54] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:54] barriers have a much lower effect on ext*, almost null [04:54] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:54] but it's really high for xfs [04:55] wernt barriers only introduced in ext in v4? [04:55] certainly [04:55] adrien, useful info. [04:55] gniks: I think they're also in ext3 [04:55] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [04:55] now [04:55] I have to look into them, probably, since I switched to XFS for my new NAS partition, but it performs worse for large video than the old JFS partition [04:55] now as in backported? or now as in limited support? [04:56] adaptr: using any mount option? [04:56] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:56] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [04:56] adrien: for XFS ? let me check.. I already forgot [04:57] just the regular ones... noatime, noexec, nodev [04:58] I remember I did set some XFS-specific block options for striped devices [04:58] that makes a huge difference [04:58] yeah, but you also have nice mount options [04:58] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [04:58] how many files do you have? [04:58] it's 4x1.5TB / 4200GB, let's say 5000 files [05:00] oh, that was the old partition.. I'm up to 16000 files on the new one now ;) [05:00] fast video storage spoils you :) [05:00] time for bed its like 5 am [05:00] heh [05:00] have stuff to do in the afternoon [05:01] gniks (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:02] adaptr: you can mount with -o logbufs=8,logbsize=256k [05:02] and if you also have write cache disabled, -o nobbarrier [05:02] -o nobarrier (typo'ed) [05:02] one of logbsize=256k or logbufs=8 is default now, can't remember which one though [05:03] btw: http://pastebin.com/NzUz7Wi5 [05:03] that's one of my benchmarks, from 250s to 68s [05:03] does XFS support in-memory write cache, then ? it's all softraid [05:04] HappyNwb (~experimen@ti0125a380-0419.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [05:04] write cahce should improve performance significantly (as in, 60000% or more), so why I would disable it if I had it I don't know [05:04] agcount=8 wasn't necessarily a good idea and I'm using an external log which everyone doesn't want or can't [05:04] I'd need a further RAID LUN to use an external log, so no, it's just internal :) [05:04] adaptr: the problem is that journalling filesystems need to write things on disk in a specific order [05:05] and with write cache, disks won't write in the order they are asked [05:05] although I could hack both partitins to use eachother as log partition, which would only kill performance if both were written to simultaneously [05:05] what *kind* of write cache ? on-disk SATA ? or RAID write cache [05:06] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCDDA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] adaptr: yeah, the log I'm using is on another disk which is not used very much [05:06] adaptr: disk write-cache [05:06] the kind that doesn't survive shutdowns [05:06] for raids, it has to be battery-backed or it's as bad [05:07] certainly; don't know if mine support it though, they're dirt-cheap WD greens [05:07] hdparm -W /dev/sda [05:07] if it interferes with the consumer disk resyncs which tend to kill your raid set as well, it'll be even worse [05:08] *recals, I mean [05:08] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:08] yeah they're all on [05:08] I think that if you have battery-backed cache on (hardware) raid, you should disable both disk write cache and barriers [05:08] and for softraid ? [05:08] lemme check :) [05:08] should be easy to bench [05:09] for softraid, it's as I said: barriers and write cache, XOR no barriers and no write cache [05:09] in my case, the second one (no write cache, no barriers) was noticeably faster [05:11] zero difference for me on a simple dd [05:11] now lets' set nobarrier - can I remount it ? [05:12] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [05:12] it'll only be visible for metadata-intensive operations (so, file creation, delete...) [05:12] I think so [05:13] yeah, works fine [05:13] well, I store 500GB+ video on it, so.. not a lot of that going on [05:13] *500MB, sorry - even so [05:14] hehe, still the exact same metrics [05:14] 31.7 MB/sec, which is weird, because copying over the network reachs 60MB/sec [05:14] but try logbufs=8,logbsize=256k too, it's almost free (makes log replays or fsck longer but that's it) [05:14] um [05:14] can I tune that ? [05:14] recreating isn't really an option :) [05:15] it's a mount option ;-) [05:15] nice [05:16] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [05:16] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [05:18] adrien: it's set up like this: http://pastebin.com/4P6njBKw [05:18] I fiddled with the sunit and swidth sizes [05:18] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:18] to account for 4-disk RAID with 3 data disks [05:19] the log stuff now got me up to 33MB/sec, which is.. not significant [05:19] and it's still untrue :P [05:20] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:20] hmmm, I don't know much about raid, I only have raid0 or raid1 and the sunit/swidth options have no effect for these raids [05:21] it does have an effect on raid0! [05:21] anything with stripes :) [05:22] adaptr: log will have little impact on sequential read/writes, but as long as you start working on a few files [05:22] adaptr: my raid0 is my /tmp in ext4 anyway ;-) [05:22] as long as ...? [05:22] errr, as soon as ;-) [05:23] my requirements are very simple :) write fast across gigE, stream video to media box [05:23] the closer I can get to 100MB/sec the better [05:24] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [05:24] I think I only managed 65MB/s over my GigE but maybe my laptop disk was involved, I can't remember [05:25] I used to get 70MB easily on the old partition, but that's a 4-disk 7200rpm set. the Intel Pro/1000 NIC also helps a lot;) [05:25] heheh ;-) [05:25] assume your laptops NIC is probably the bottleneck [05:25] my laptop disk is ... slow [05:25] ah, yes... they suck [05:25] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [05:26] I think I tried to have things in memory cache but couldn't do very well [05:27] I haven't yet found anything that will assist with network writes using memory cache [05:28] it's trivial, it just has to allow me to do it - if I say I don't mind the risk, who cares ? [05:28] I mean, I tried to have the files in cache on the laptop, to speed up reads ;-) [05:28] Redness (~redness@c122-108-211-162.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:29] aha [05:29] you'd have to read them first, then :) [05:29] SamFisher (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:30] SamFisher (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [05:30] that's what I did ;-) [05:32] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:33] adrien (~adrien@nautica.notk.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:33] adrien (~adrien@nautica.notk.org) joined ##slackware. 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[06:22] uh, they changed the layout in opera 10.60 ... just meh. cant navigate, and surfing doesnt work, updated from 10.11. grrr [06:23] you mean a browser that can't browse? hmmm, that reminds me of iphones :P [06:25] jg71: You might want to play with the menu configs - right click a menu bar and "Customise" [06:25] illovae (~C-18@edu.porneia.net) left irc: Changing host [06:25] illovae (~C-18@unaffiliated/illovae) joined ##slackware. [06:25] wobbles: i know. still cant surf. no, there arent any proxy settings defined. [06:26] m3tti (~user@p57B7D1A3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:28] jg71: Down the bottom left, red Menu dropdown, Settings, Preferences, Advanced, Network ?? [06:28] wobbles: i know my way around. [06:29] it was just a rant, not a query for help. sorry. [06:38] tamwile (~sirius@APuteaux-552-1-54-183.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:42] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:43] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [06:49] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:52] tamwile (sirius@APuteaux-552-1-54-183.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [06:53] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:00] SYN4PS3 (~synapse@188.158.98.117) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Mcar (~chatzilla@d122-105-196-200.adl8.sa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:05] I'm running slackware 13.1 and I seem to of forgotten my password, can anyone tell me how I am meant to recover my password? I have slackware 13.1 burned to a disk so i can change it via startup [07:06] Mcar: what password [07:08] Mcar: google for 'recover root password linux' and you'll be met with hundreds of tutorials [07:09] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [07:12] is the method of running Linux single (Linux 1) in the boot and editing the file /etc /passwd valid in Slack? I was doing this in Debian whenever the Grub is not protected with password [07:13] Linux single? what's that? [07:13] runlevel 1? [07:13] dvel: it is valid for *linux* [07:13] adrien, I think it's a boot option for logging in without having to use a password [07:13] hmm... (my lang, oh!), yeah [07:14] correction, logging in *as root* [07:14] adaptr: my root password [07:14] I havent used my comp in 6 months [07:14] boot something else and chroot passwd but don't edit /etc/passwd by hand [07:14] Mcar: then boot in single user mode and run passwd [07:15] adrien: um.. no. just boot the box [07:16] adaptr: how do you get into runlevel1? [07:17] adrien: boot the box. hit . enter "linux single". [07:18] adaptr: damn, you're right! I had forgotten you could change the runlevel in lilo! [07:18] [13:11:57] dvel: it is valid for *linux* <--- then, is it possible to protect LILO (like Grub with a key hash) to avoid this behavior? [07:18] Is it advisable, to not be connected to the internet while running as a single user with root access? [07:18] dvel: dunno. [07:18] network will be down anyway [07:18] HappyNwb: no services will be started in single user mode. none. [07:18] Mcar (~chatzilla@d122-105-196-200.adl8.sa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:19] dvel: are you admin for computers that are publicly-accessible? [07:19] Nick change: oobe -> mohi1 [07:20] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [07:20] ahoy [07:20] Nick change: mohi1 -> oobe [07:20] user0 (~user0@adsl-99-142-11-29.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] revel0__ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:22] thx adaptr, i will investigate [07:23] adrien: my computer is at home, but I like moving things around for my knowledge :) [07:23] Mcar (~chatzilla@115.131.209.89) joined ##slackware. [07:23] OH GOD EPIC lag. [07:23] if someone can get physical access and noone for monitoring what he does, it's game over anyway [07:24] So, I've forgotten my slackware 13.1 root password [07:24] It seems the guide I found is this http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/54418-howto-recover-root-user-password.html but Unfortunatley when i hit ctrl + x at lilo it doesn't switch, why? [07:25] adrien: safe computer, safe girlfriend X) [07:26] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [07:27] Mcar: no Crtl+X, hit the Tab key when Linux prompt (if it's showed) and write "Linux 1" [07:27] dvel: encrypt your system. :-) [07:28] dvel thanks [07:29] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.131.60) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:29] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [07:30] dvel. then wha? [07:30] dvel. then what? [07:30] ? [07:30] jg71: nah! so much it is not necessary, and I believe that also it would be slow (decrypt) [07:30] dvel: nope. :) [07:31] ;) [07:31] Mcar: then boot and run passwd [07:31] jonatan (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:31] Mcar: i suppose, i didn't verify yet it in Slack [07:32] Disk encryption is not a performance bottleneck nor does it [07:32] significantly decrease the usability of the system. Therefore [07:32] there are few excuses for not deploying it where ever possible. [07:32] dvel It says (none) login: [07:32] hmm [07:32] --Linux for the Information Smuggler, p8, Concluding Remarks, http://mareichelt.de/pub/notmine/diskenc.pdf [07:33] Mcar: passwd [07:33] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCDDA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [07:33] Mcar: wait... i try... (reboot) [07:33] Kay [07:33] dvel [07:33] :) [07:33] tell me [07:34] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.22.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.131.60) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCDDA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] jg71: i'll bear it in mind... [07:35] Action: dvel rebooting... [07:35] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:35] lenqueteur (~lenqueteu@koe67-6-78-244-229-181.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.219) joined ##slackware. [07:37] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-107-69.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: No route to host [07:39] Action: Mcar waits [07:39] soo, what other distros do you guys use? [07:40] slackware and slackware64 on personal machines, the boss prefers debian on the server farm [07:40] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-109-58.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:40] I see...so what do you work as? [07:41] pick one [07:41] I think I do 20-odd jobs [07:42] I work as a noc monkey at dreamhost [07:42] ooh, systems integrator there XD [07:42] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [07:43] user0: yurp, and DBA, and mail admin, and..well, you know the drill [07:43] lol hard work, eh? [07:43] boring [07:43] sorry ? [07:43] mcury (~mcury@189.24.75.14) joined ##slackware. [07:43] hello, i try to compil RT2x00 driver for my fiwi pci card, but rt73.ko failed to build [07:43] is boring work, for me anyway [07:43] it seem's it because kernek's header [07:44] then you're definitely Doing it Wrong, user0 [07:44] mcury (~mcury@189.24.75.14) left irc: Client Quit [07:44] I am never bored with my work [07:44] lenqueteur: what version of slackware? [07:44] i'm under slackware 13.1 [07:44] adaptr:they say "doingitrong" [07:44] did you do a full install? [07:44] i had try to follow this way : http://www.unixwerk.eu/linux/slack/wireless.html [07:44] i do, yes. [07:45] adaptr, i was a local tech, ran novell and M$ servers [07:45] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [07:45] ah, user network stuff. yeah, that's boring [07:45] the kernel menuconfig doesn't match with the picture, of caurse it's not the same version. [07:45] Mcar: yeah, login required, i suppose that you don't have the root password... i'm going to research as to do it in slack... can look in Google while [07:45] but now, what i'm supposed to do? [07:46] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [07:46] dvel, thank you alot, I have looked everywhere for several hours. [07:46] I have the live CD, I just dunno how to get the root password :/ [07:46] nah!, patience! [07:46] is that a pcmcia wireless card you're trying to install? [07:47] alisonken1home: no, it's a fiwi card! [07:47] pci card [07:47] and PCI, he said [07:47] ok - missed that part :) [07:47] yes, i said :p [07:47] no problem [07:47] Mcar: with LiveCD you can boot and edit the /etc/passwd file and delete "x" of the user, i think (backup the file if you) [07:48] hmm [07:48] dvel, lemme see [07:48] as far as the menu goes - follow the idea of the menu if it's not the same as the menuconfig that you see on your computer - you're looking for wireless support, and after installing the source, the rieless driver support [07:48] in the kernel menuconfig i'v looking for driver support by the way for my wifi card, and i found [07:48] and i compil [07:48] -the kernel [07:48] but driver compilation still fail [07:49] did you first do make oldconfig? or copy the current running kernel config to /usr/src/linux/.config ? [07:49] have you also checked all prerequisites ? are you building it as a module or not ? if not, are you including all prerequisites in the kernel too ? [07:49] buildind as a module yes [07:50] Mcar: equal for /etc/shadow file (backup file please!) [07:50] no for old config -___- stupid i'am [07:50] dvel, I am looking now [07:50] and don't check [07:51] dvel, I am in root@slackware:/# I forgot what to put in... [07:52] apparently, with lsmod there in memory the right module for my card [07:52] sleekslack (~umislack@58.64.119.177) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Mcar: root? but... what password oes you wish to recover? [07:53] my root password [07:53] I've booted through liveCD [07:54] +[13:50:03] dvel, I am in root@slackware [07:54] hmm, root@slack in LiveCD? ok [07:54] yes. through live CD [07:54] root@slackware:/# [07:54] In boot.. [07:54] dvel, isn't there a how-to for that in the slackbook? [07:54] do you have access to the hard drive partition where /etc is ? [07:55] you know, you boot slackware, you hit enter, you hit enter again... [07:55] user0: i nave no idea! [07:55] if so, mount your root partition where /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are located [07:55] brrrm, have [07:55] there is, i just read it, hang on let me find it [07:56] wait [07:56] I GOT IT! [07:56] Hoorah [07:56] how? [07:56] exit the /mnt/etc/shadow file to remove the password from root (don't remove the whole line, just the gobledygook between the first and second : (colos)) [07:56] (colons) [07:57] editer /etc/password [07:57] edit /etc/shadow - not /etc/passwd [07:58] from the slackbook: "Remove the user's entry from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow," [07:58] user0: NOT ROOT!!!! [07:58] user0 can i be linked? [07:58] thats to remove a user... [07:58] user0: that only works for USER logins, not ROOT login [07:58] you MUST keep root login or you hose your system [07:58] but the pw part is right [07:59] just edit /etc/shadow on the root partition and remove the password field from the user. quick easy. simple. [07:59] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [07:59] password field is between the first and second colons (:) [07:59] alicephilippa, right, that encrypted part between the :: [07:59] alisonken1home, is there a guide for that? [08:00] i'm trying to find it now [08:00] i just read it yesterday XD [08:00] Mcar: boot slackware dvd/cd1 - after it boots, mount your computer hard drive to /mnt (using sda1 as root partition example): "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" [08:01] vi /mnt/etc/shadow [08:01] remove password entry [08:01] reboot [08:01] user0: i have earring to read the Slackbook from end to end, i wish it :) [08:01] save and reboot [08:01] sleekslack (~umislack@58.64.119.177) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:01] earring? [08:01] alisonken1home, Mcar, pico, nano, more easier [08:01] user0: wait, fuck lang! LOL [08:02] dvel: whichever is easier to use :) [08:02] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-218.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Holdup [08:02] My idea failed [08:02] I've just rebooted slackware and I'm at the first screen [08:03] the one with "boot:" [08:03] What am I meant to put in? [08:03] for the kernel i think it's ok [08:03] asarch (~asarch@187.132.139.226) joined ##slackware. [08:03] just hit enter [08:03] but driver doesn' compile... [08:04] done, hit enter [08:04] user0: pending? brum brum! [08:04] Mcar: "::" in passwd file is a blank password [08:04] alisonken1home I'm at the next screen. the one with the keyboard question, I just hit inter [08:05] just hit enter [08:05] i did alisonken1home [08:05] dvel: he should be using the /etc/shadow file, not the /etc/passwd file [08:05] now I'm at slackware login.. [08:05] alisonken1home, hit enter? [08:05] just hit enter [08:05] i think that is necessary change two files, passwd and shadow [08:05] hm? [08:06] dvel: no - if you did not fudge your system before and /etc/passwd has :x: in the password field already, all you need to do is edit /etc/shadow [08:06] yes, done alisonken1home [08:06] Mcar: mount your partition that has /etc directory in it [08:06] alisonken1home what command? [08:07] which partition has your /etc directory on the hard drive? [08:07] dev/sda1 [08:07] mount /dev/sda1 /mnt [08:07] cd /mnt/etc [08:07] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [08:08] alisonken1home i did /dev/sda1 /mnt [08:08] alisonken1home: oh yes!, you are right, passwd file doesn't store the key [08:08] then the otherone [08:08] Mcar: now "grep ^root passwd" and see what the password file shows for root [08:09] it should look like "root:x:0:0::/root:/bin/bash" [08:10] alisonken1home do you mean "grep ^rootpasswrd" ? [08:11] Mcar: what does the line I posted show? :) [08:11] my bad [08:11] that's what /etc/passwd should look like for the root user. [08:11] troy (~troy@tamperewlan-137.uta.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:11] alienBOB: ping [08:12] alienBOB: so I'm at Akademy right now preaching the gospel of slack [08:12] if there is an ":x:" in the second field, the passwd is correct and we can look at shadow file next [08:12] alienBOB: and I was wondering if Qt 4.7 packages live somewhere yet? [08:12] passwd file that is [08:15] alisonken1home "grep: passwd: no such file or directory" [08:16] lenqueteur: step 2 on that page you posted shows this: "Since version 2.6.29 of the Linux kernel the legacy driver is not supported anymore. If you try to compile the module you end up with an error. " [08:16] HURRDURR I'M RETARDED, It's "passwrd" not "passwd" [08:16] slackware 13.1 is using kernel 2.6.33 [08:16] Action: Mcar smashes head into desk out of sheer stupidity [08:16] alisonken1home i did what you asked [08:17] now.....it's just loading something [08:17] Jdif (~Jdif@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:17] Mcar: ok - so the line in your passwd file looks like the line I posted, correct? including the :x: entry? [08:17] alisonken1home, so i understand now. I can't do something right? [08:17] lenqueteur: it means that the driver is build-in to the kernel already [08:17] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:18] yeah i'd just read it [08:19] you right, ok thanks, i'll check it out [08:19] Mcar: what does "pwd" show? [08:19] alisonken1home i put the command in and nothing happened. [08:19] well, it just seems to be loading [08:20] Mcar: did you also type "cd /mnt/etc" after mounting the partition? [08:21] yes [08:22] what does "ls pass* shad*" show [08:22] It changed from "root@slackware:/#" to "root@slackware:/mnt#" [08:23] ok - then does "ls" show an etc entry? [08:23] uuhm, hold up [08:25] okay [08:25] then you didn't type in what I posted :) [08:25] alisonken1home it reads "root@slackware:/mnt#" [08:25] now....? [08:25] type "cd /mnt/etc" [08:25] i did [08:26] what does your prompt show now? [08:26] It changed from "root@slackware:/#" to "root@slackware:/mnt#" when i put in cd /mnt/etc [08:26] what does "ls" show then? [08:26] "root@slackware:/mnt/etc#" [08:26] ls shows alot of words [08:26] ok - now you should be in the correct directory [08:27] try the "grep ^root pass" line now [08:27] yep [08:27] and change it.. [08:27] okay lets re-boot and see.. [08:27] no - DON'T CHANGE PASSWD FILE [08:27] oh. [08:27] okay, didn't reboot.. [08:27] dru1d (~grafzero@82.177.172.217) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:28] okay, undid it. [08:28] the only change to passwd file would be to make sure the :x: is in the second field [08:28] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:28] i did.. [08:29] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] now - edit the SHADOW file and remove all of the gobledygook in the second filed so your root entry looks like this: [08:29] "root::14778:0:::::" [08:30] yes [08:31] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [08:31] once you removed the password field from the shadow file, you can reboot, and root will no longer have a password [08:34] alisonken1home "grep ^root pass" just says "grep: pass: no file or directory" [08:34] Razec (~razec@187.34.20.101) joined ##slackware. [08:34] Mcar: correct. man grep [08:34] dru1d (~grafzero@82.177.172.217) joined ##slackware. [08:35] Mcar: the command is "grep " [08:35] what's missing from the "pass" part of that line? [08:35] and what's the name of the passwd file? [08:35] bojevnik_ (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [08:35] hmm [08:35] same with the shadow file [08:36] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:36] HappyNwb (experimen@ti0125a380-0419.bb.online.no) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:37] hmmm [08:37] you sure putting in :oasswd" does not work? [08:37] you sure putting in "passwd" does not work? [08:38] Mcar: you're missing the point - the password field is ENCRYPTED [08:38] the FILENAME is the file - so copy and paste this: "grep ^root passwd shadow" [08:38] Mcar: FYI http://slackbook.org/html/essential-sysadmin-hardusers.html [08:38] don't try to change it [08:39] yep [08:39] ok - what did it show [08:40] i can't find the older version of the slackbook i read yesterday, but it said to do just what alicephilippa had you do [08:40] It just gave me "shadow:root: ^EG^&RFTG#&GR" [08:40] Well it gave me lots of gibberish [08:40] It just gave me "shadow:root: lots of gibberish" [08:40] then you didn't change the shadow file which is where the ENCRYPTED password is located [08:40] what does the line from the passwd file show? [08:41] Uhm [08:41] "passwd" <--put that in? [08:41] "grep ^root passwd" [08:41] show me what that returns [08:42] "root :x :0 :0 ::/root :/binbash [08:42] hope the spaces are not in the file [08:43] uh-huh\ [08:43] now edit the shadow file and make it look like this: "root::14778:0:::::" [08:43] ^_^ [08:43] hope "/binbash" is "/bin/bash" [08:43] edit it with what command? [08:43] :S [08:44] vi might be good [08:44] sed? -e 's/^root.*/root::14778:0:::::' ? [08:45] sed? -e 's/^root.*/root::14778:0:::::/' ? [08:45] damn [08:45] heh [08:45] what's the 14778? [08:46] man shadow [08:46] sooo, wait [08:46] what command do I put in? [08:47] only issue I'm having is editing the shadow file [08:47] I really, have no idea how [08:47] Mcar: Esc + ":q!" [08:48] more simple ---> pico /etc/shadow [08:48] dvel: don't think he's in vi yet :) [08:48] :) [08:48] I'd avoid vi and just use sed then, are pico or nano even available? [08:48] troy: hi! [08:48] rapid (rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. 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[08:59] I checked with the KDE team that 4.6.x is an acceptible Qt version for KDE 4.5, so that gives us a change _not_ to move to Qt 4.7 too fast [09:00] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-117-138.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:02] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [09:05] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:06] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [09:10] alienBOB: okay - modified the 4.6.3 script to build 4.7.0beta1 packages - I'll let you know how it goes :) [09:10] and yes, qt 4.6 is good for kde 4.5 [09:10] Action: NaCl wonders why the Alt+F2 thingie likes to crash so much here [09:11] NaCl: I turned off some of the extra search runners and it stabilised [09:11] NaCl: I don't really need alt-f2 for wikipedia queries, for example [09:11] How/where? [09:11] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.131.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:12] NaCl: in krunner itself (alt-f2) - there should be a configure button [09:12] little wrench or something [09:12] ah, got it [09:12] thanks [09:13] which ones? [09:13] that sort of thing reminds me why i never much liked kde... [09:13] anything that queries the web can be shut off, imho [09:13] user0: configurability? [09:13] It didn't blow up in versions < 4.4.1 [09:13] far too much stuff defaulted [09:13] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.146.135) joined ##slackware. [09:14] NaCl: it's annoyed me for a while [09:14] NaCl: but since 4.0, I haven't committed anything to krunner [09:14] it was a lot simpler then :) [09:15] I wonder if I should bother someone else about this [09:15] nachox (~Ignacio@28-73-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:16] because not only does it freeze as I am trying to use it, it likes to segfault after I use it [09:17] NaCl: I've had similar experiences - I think it's a specific runner plugin [09:17] NaCl: haven't had time to narrow it down too much [09:18] ah [09:18] col, thanks [09:18] clavius (~James@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:18] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:19] I thought it had something to do with the desktop effects half-working [09:19] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-117-138.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:20] all the effects here work fine after I changed one setting [09:20] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:20] I'm using the 4.5 beta [09:20] and now the've been upgraded from "unusable" to "slow" [09:20] I checked the box in kwin settings to 'store thumbnails' or whatever - it fixed a bunch of effect performance stuff in exchange for some more X memory usage... [09:21] basically, if causes X-painting to occur even when things are off-screen [09:21] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Only for shown windows? [09:21] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:21] so alt-tab/etc. will show window contents without the painting delay (or worse) [09:21] keep thumbs for all windows (not just for open windows) [09:22] It says it "breaks minimization" [09:22] might have to drop offline in a moment - battery being drained by building Qt with -j 7 :P [09:22] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-136-137-63.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:22] NaCl: it works - try it - click on the App menu a few times to see how it doesn't have to redraw anymore [09:22] It's kinda laggy [09:22] Action: NaCl may be able to blame fglrx for that [09:23] later [09:23] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. 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[09:43] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:44] thrice`, oh i do! kde 4.2.4 [09:44] sounds like the package is build against kde 4.4 [09:45] thrice`, hmm... just did a 'locate libknewstuff'...... i have libknewstuff2 [09:45] :-( [09:46] yep :> [09:46] Elektro_ (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Nick change: Roin -> Deutschland|Roin [09:47] asarch (~asarch@187.132.139.226) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:47] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [09:48] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: arrentina! kkk [09:48] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. 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[10:30] Elektro_ (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro_ [10:30] bagira, i'm just waiting for my gf to run to the liqou store :D [10:30] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:30] *liqour [10:31] well, just make sure your kitchen table is clean, i say. [10:31] oh? [10:32] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [10:32] why is that? [10:33] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:33] lori (~lori@c-66-56-10-90.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] user0, will make sense a few more grogs down the way. [10:34] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:35] well, i haven't gotten that drunk in eight years [10:36] :q [10:36] gah [10:36] o.O [10:37] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:37] and I'm pretty sure I clicked in the vim window [10:38] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [10:41] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:43] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [10:43] suvir (~suvir@ppp-124-120-137-76.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [10:49] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:52] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. 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[11:11] lsusb: Bus 003 Device 004: ID 06cd:0121 Keyspan USA-19hs serial adapter Now how would I read it? fdisk -l doesn't show it, and dmesg seems to call it a bunch of things [11:12] mcury (~mcury@189.24.75.14) joined ##slackware. [11:13] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.255) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:16] gartt: cat /proc/scsi/scsi has more info sometimes [11:19] But it's a serial device with a USB adaptor [11:21] gartt: ask in #hardware [11:24] Thanks [11:32] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:36] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [11:41] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. 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I don't follow :> [12:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-59-145.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Razec (~razec@187.34.24.2) joined ##slackware. [12:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:06] xtr3m3 (~xtr3m3@87-194-25-59.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:06] thrice`: currently, I track the changelog and among others, it lets me "trigger" other actions, like a full rsync (I rsync the changelog every hour or so, if it has changed, I rsync everything) and then I track -current in its entirety in git [12:06] good evening gents [12:07] (well, not yet but I'll set it up for the next true cycle) [12:07] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:08] matt0 (~matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [12:08] matt0 (matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left ##slackware. [12:08] revel0__ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [12:09] hah adriend [12:10] you've been threatening to set that up for a month now...like the old philosopher nike once said: just do it. [12:11] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:11] mancha: I wasn't in a hurry since I thought -current development's wouldn't be resumed before at least a few months, turns out it was a few days, not months [12:11] adrien, ok, that makes a little more sense :) [12:11] and good to know I turned into a daemon (ending 'd' in the nickname ;-) ) [12:11] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [12:12] nader (~nader@85.133.205.87) joined ##slackware. [12:12] Razec (~razec@187.34.24.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:13] adrien: Logic dictates that *now* would be the best time to set it up *before* -current really starts to kick off. ;) You're just procastinating with silly excuses. ;) [12:13] excuses, excuses. [12:14] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-39-165.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:14] -current development really hasn't 'taken off' . a handful of updates over a month and a half hardly counts :> [12:16] but I don't know if I'll put that in git or not: git wouldn't take advantage of redundancy between packages [12:16] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-59-145.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:16] I can maybe parse the last changelog and estimate how much spce it'd take [12:17] hannah_murray (srijan4@plox.tor.hu) joined ##slackware. [12:17] mcury (~mcury@189.24.75.14) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:22] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Jdif (~Jdif@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:23] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.50) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-39-165.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:24] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-242.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:24] hi all. i'm searching for a linux application which can interact with google docs/gmail online storage to upload/update some files sorted in directories [12:25] google has some commandline app that might do it [12:25] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:25] troy (~troy@tamperewlan-241.uta.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:25] OclkdMan: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/06/introducing-google-command-line-tool.html [12:26] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:26] i bet google has some tools...if only there were a way to search for them... [12:26] ask bing! [12:29] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:29] lol [12:29] OclkdMan is trying to rebrand google apps [12:29] ok probably not but yea [12:30] oh [12:30] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:30] I got only about 1.5GB of data moved during the last -current cycle I think [12:31] go back to sleep [12:31] oh no, I see my error [12:32] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [12:32] i've found this [12:32] http://code.google.com/p/google-docs-fs/ [12:33] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.17) joined ##slackware. [12:33] does 13.0 come with kommander? i cannot find it in PACKAGES.TXT [12:34] ho can googleCL be used on slackware? [12:34] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [12:35] anyone made a slackbuild yet for GoogleCL? [12:35] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Client Quit [12:36] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:51] > docs upload biblioexample.pdf Loading biblioexample.pdf Failed to upload biblioexample.pdf {'status': 415, 'body': 'Content-Type application/pdf is not a valid input type.', 'reason': 'Unsupported Media Type'} [12:52] Nick change: user0 -> whyis_the_rum_go [12:53] Nick change: whyis_the_rum_go -> user0 [12:57] xtr3m3 (~xtr3m3@87-194-25-59.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:57] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.50) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:58] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] anyone has installed kdenlive from sbopkg? [13:04] i am facing some problems.. need a little help with avformat recognition of kdenlive... [13:10] hannah_murray (srijan4@plox.tor.hu) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:10] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:11] Matux (~ArrOb@81.34.158.80) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Matux (ArrOb@81.34.158.80) left ##slackware. [13:13] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@207.237.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:14] ah, at last, it looks -current move around 8GB of data during the devel cycle, probably up to 9 or 10GB actually but probably not more [13:15] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [13:15] revel0__ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:15] of course, you would ignore packages and source tarballs :) [13:16] counted binary packages and only them [13:17] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [13:17] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.17) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:19] batmayne (krampus@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-omtkgrshahavyhwp) joined ##slackware. [13:21] stu_ (~stuart@110.159.17.46) joined ##slackware. [13:21] got hefning [13:22] Razec (~razec@187.34.23.105) joined ##slackware. [13:27] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:13] masterslakk (~mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] hannah_murray (srijan4@plox.tor.hu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:17] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:21] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:25] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-163-88-198.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:25] LnxSlck, helloo my friend ;) [14:26] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] hello cfdisk [14:26] how are you? [14:26] :> [14:26] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-186-247-55.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:28] :) [14:28] LnxSlck, You do not know me [14:28] of course i do [14:28] you are cfdisk [14:30] LnxSlck, I'm from Brazil, are you? [14:30] cfdisk, close enough [14:30] cfdisk, how was brasil game against holand? ahahah [14:30] hehehe [14:30] yes. [14:31] =/ [14:31] nah dont worry you didnt put as much shame on your as argentinia against us cfdisk ;) [14:31] Nick change: Deutschland|Roin -> Roin [14:31] hahahaa.. [14:31] game over argentina! [14:31] ;) [14:32] Part of the game, only in 2014 [14:32] dvel (~dani@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:32] anyway Spain Parguay starts ^_^ [14:33] Spain will win [14:33] We'll see :) [14:34] procyonlabs (~randy@pool-173-69-175-97.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm outta heeere... [14:35] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [14:36] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [14:37] Brazil lost through the fault of Mike Jegue [14:37] Who's Mike Jegue? [14:38] Mike Jegue has cold feet [14:38] yes [14:38] rolling stones. [14:38] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:38] huh? [14:39] batmayne (krampus@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-omtkgrshahavyhwp) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:39] gniks (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:40] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [14:41] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] cfdisk: shut up little bitch :D [14:45] gar0t0, yummy. [14:46] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:46] I wanted to see naked Maradona. [14:47] ugh [14:47] cfdisk: ##world-cup [14:47] gar0t0, ¬¬ [14:47] cfdisk: the channel exist [14:47] or, possibly, ##maradonalovers [14:48] hahahaha [14:48] :) [14:48] he did look kinda gay - right up to the 2-0 this afternoon [14:51] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:52] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:52] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [14:56] auska (~auska@131.Red-88-15-76.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] hi [14:56] i have a problem a friend asked me to take a look to her hard drive connected by a USB since it don't mount itself [14:57] i have done a fdisk -l and i took: http://pastebin.ca/1894006 [14:57] and with a lsusb: http://pastebin.ca/1894008 [14:59] so it looks link my computer detects it but i did : sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o force,umask=0 /dev/sda1 /media/externo [14:59] and i get: http://pastebin.ca/S:1894009 [14:59] any idea? 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[16:46] kde-4.4.90 [16:47] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-21-94.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:48] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:50] alienBOB: ping [16:52] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:54] AbsTradELic: ? [16:54] Your question makes no sense in english [16:55] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [16:56] alienBOB: ok [16:56] alienBOB: kdepim appear not correctly refered in your README file [16:57] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:58] its changed the package structure/name [16:58] im fit it [16:59] john_dee (~id@95-29-186-137.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [16:59] and ... we dont have kdevelop into repo [16:59] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] its need to be refered in README file too [17:01] Any recommendations on madwifi and 13.1? Mine doesn't compile. [17:02] alienBOB: ok ? [17:02] X;) [17:02] Pa^2: What NIC do you have? madwifi shouldn't be required anymore for lots of NICs with 13.1. [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-218.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) joined ##slackware. [17:03] Proxim PCMCIA [17:04] That doesn't tell us anything. What chipset does it have? You can find this with "lspci -v". pastebin it. [17:04] moment [17:05] AbsTradELic: what are you talking about. What package structure/name [17:05] Heya,folks [17:05] And I do not have kdevelop in my 4.4.90 package set because it is in Slackware 13.1 [17:05] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [17:06] in 13.1 release we have 2 packages: kdepim-4.4.3-x86_64-1 and kdepim-runtime-4.4.3-x86_64-1 [17:06] alienBOB: ok [17:07] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:07] Yes [17:07] your repo we have: kdepimlibs-4.4.90-x86_64-1alien [17:07] only one package [17:08] If you were reading the KDE blogs you would have noticed that a new kdepim will not be released along with KDE 4.5 [17:08] That is why it is missing from the 4.4.90 (which is 4.5-rc1) [17:08] neonflux (~neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:08] With KDE 4.5 you will continue to use a 4.4 kdepim [17:08] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [17:08] alienBOB: huM... ok [17:08] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [17:09] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-88.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:09] I really not read kde blog these days [17:09] X#) [17:09] kdepim will be available with kde 4.5.1 if all goes according to plan [17:10] I tell you now: there is no kdepim package in KDE 4.5 [17:10] sahko: correct [17:10] Alan_Hicks http://pastebin.org/381083 [17:10] The kdepim 4.5-beta1 is already available (not publicly) so they will be getting there, only they will release separately from KDE [17:11] eXgame (~eXgame@88.118.26.21) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:12] Pa^2: look at that paste of yours: Kernel modules: ath5k [17:12] I'm noticing that for some reason Firefox can't bring up streetview images from maps.google.com on my 64bit system. (AMD64 3300+ Family: 15) [17:12] Is there a patch or something? [17:12] Your card is supported by that driver. Now, what do "dmegs | grep ath" and "ifconfig -a" show? [17:12] terry, has it stalled? [17:13] Action: slackie hey buddies \o [17:13] No, doesn't seem to stall, just doesn't function properly. [17:13] I wanna be just like alienBOB when I grow up. [17:13] Pa^2: That chipset has been pretty well supported for at least a couple of years now. There should be absolutely no reason to use madwifi with it anymore. [17:13] how do you know he is grown up ? [17:13] Don't question me [17:14] aliens work in mysterious ways [17:14] ah, sorry, you fail already [17:14] The blue lines go away when you drag and drop the icon to a target area. [17:14] While I don [17:14] terry, Is it doing the same with other browsers? [17:14] ...and I try it on the same map on my 32 bit system that is right here on the same network and it works fine. [17:15] t disagree with what I have read (and you have said) it is only with Madwifi drivers that I have been able to make it work... hence the question [17:15] MLanden: I've not tried it on any other browser, just firefox. [17:15] What feature requires madwifi? [17:16] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:16] And on what kernels have you tried it with ath5k? [17:16] Without madwifi I cannot get wifi0 or ath0 ... they don't show up. [17:16] Pa^2: then the problem is almost certainly with something you're doing, not with the kernel itself. [17:16] YDIW [17:17] it would be wlan0 [17:17] I suppose the problem could be just with firefox-3.6.4-x86_64 [17:17] wla0 [17:17] wlan0 even [17:17] alienBOB: can we have kde 4.4.5 in your repo ? [17:18] terry, trying a few locations with google [17:18] AbsTradELic: perhaps. But it is too hot to build packages, my computer is too old and overheats because outside it's 35 degrees centigrade and my attic is like an oven. [17:18] AlienBob's .tgz worked for me for 13.0 ... maybe it will work for 13.1 ... brb [17:19] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:19] ath5k is reasonably mature in Slackware 13.1's 2.6.33.4 kernel. I have an ath5k client, 32-bit, and ath5k access point, 64-bit. [17:19] fool [17:19] Yep [17:20] thieusoai (~thieusoai@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:20] terry, any other flash sites messing up as well? [17:20] I have a Turion II M520 with many problems [17:20] using 13.1 [17:20] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Pa^2: ath5k is reasonably mature in Slackware 13.1's 2.6.33.4 kernel. I have an ath5k client, 32-bit, and ath5k access point, 64-bit. [17:21] (I also have two ath5k clients on older kernels.) [17:21] I only have problems when the room is too warm. It affects me too. I don't feel like building packages at all [17:22] I will reboot and try again... maybe I wasn't holding my mouth just right :-) [17:22] Pa^2: if you don't believe us, fine, go ask #madwifi and check their wiki. [17:22] Madwifi is a thing of the past. [17:22] I got a portable airco yesterday (yes. collecte dit in the killing heat while the stupid Tour was gearing up, couldn't half get through traffic) but I found out it doesn't really work through an open window :) So I got a figuresaw and am going to mutilate my rented apartment tomorrow [17:22] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.71.58) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:22] Pa^2: Madwifi is DEAD! Don't use it. [17:22] Hey, not not believing... just not able to make it work. Sorry... [17:23] alienBOB: aH... lament [17:23] X:::)))) [17:23] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:23] Pa^2: can you get us some diagnostics that (dis)prove that ath5k is not working for you? [17:23] thieusoai (~thieusoai@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Client Quit [17:23] do us a favour and disprove your own claims, it's faster that way ;) [17:24] Ah, he is gone - again! [17:24] I'm not gonna help the guy if he won't stay put and listen. [17:25] alienBOB: many changes in favours AMD arch is coming with kernel 2.6.34 [17:26] its my case... many crashes when load kernel modules [17:26] at boot time [17:26] Razec (~razec@187.34.23.189) joined ##slackware. [17:26] X:( [17:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:27] Linux darkstar 2.6.33.4 #2 SMP Wed May 12 22:31:33 CDT 2010 x86_64 AMD Turion(tm) II Dual-Core Mobile M520 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [17:29] alienBOB: any idea if Pat will add 4.4.5? [17:30] PiterPunk: ping [17:31] sahko: well, alien is the one who released 4.4.4 packages, so that is doubtful [17:31] zaltekk: since he's here lets not make speculations:) [17:32] uva_ (as@111-240-212-201.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] sahko: he will, but not until after I have made mine [17:32] I want to update several of the dependencies too - like I already did for 4.4.90 [17:33] Especially Qt needs an update. You'll get a week to play with my packages probably before they enter slackware-current [17:33] nice, that was the reason i havent yet built it. a possible qt update etc [17:33] ... if I can get myself to build them [17:33] alienBOB: so there won't be 4.4.5 packages from you for 13.1? [17:35] zaltekk: there will probably be [17:35] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] When the temperature drops [17:36] uva (as@111-240-222-49.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:36] alienBOB: be safe ! 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[17:55] Razec (~razec@187.34.23.189) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:55] Thinking the problem may be with firefox-3.6.4-x86_64, I upgraded to firefox-3.6.6-x86_64 (from current) and still not able to bring up images from streetview on maps.google.com [17:55] Nenad (~Nenad@95.180.86.45) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Wonder what it is? [17:56] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCDDA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [17:56] terry: maybe you need flash? [17:56] Anyone else seeing same problem? [17:56] Nenad (~Nenad@95.180.86.45) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:57] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:57] zaltekk: I have flash-player-plugin-10.0_r45-x86_64 installed. [17:58] I'm not sure, but thinking that maps.google.com's streetview is a java thing. Anyone know for sure? [17:58] i don't know, but it works fine for me [17:59] with 3.6.6 [18:00] I have a 64bit system. (AMD64 3300+ Family: 15) [18:00] so do i [18:00] zaltekk: Really... hummm [18:00] slackware64-13.1 [18:00] same here [18:01] That's interesting. [18:01] I have no 32bit systems.. haven't had any for some time [18:02] I've made a couple of modifications. Flash player wasn't working so got patch http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/flash-c ... on-x86_64/ [18:02] Maybe that's it. [18:02] lori (~lori@c-66-56-10-90.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:03] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:03] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/flash-crashes-firefox-on-x86_64/ [18:03] zaltekk: Are you using that patch? [18:03] nope [18:04] Do you have flash-player-plugin-10.0_r45-x86_64-1_SBo ? [18:05] i used the one from /extra [18:05] aaaahhhh [18:05] thats old, vulnerable and unmaintained [18:05] sahko: was that for me? [18:05] flash [18:05] terry: flashplayer-plugin-10.0.42.34-x86_64-1 [18:06] zaltekk: That's what you have? [18:06] sadly the 10.1 that is out now doesn't have a 64-bit version. not even in adobe labs [18:06] terry: yes. look in extra [18:06] x86_64 flash is vulnerable and unmaintained [18:06] ok [18:06] sahko: Ok, tnx [18:07] Well, I got it from slackbuilds... [18:08] yes, it should be removed from slackbuilds [18:09] zaltekk: Did you get it from 64-13.1/extra/ or...? [18:09] terry: yeah [18:10] Adobe should update it. [18:10] zaltekk: I dont see it [18:10] SBo should remove the 10.0.x flash plugin references. [18:10] ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.1/extra/PACKAGES.TXT [18:11] the known vulnerabilities are very serious and epxloits are readily available on the intartubes [18:11] terry: it isn't a package, it's a build script [18:11] rworkman, don't think they're necessarily obligated to support un-released software [18:11] o [18:11] but, just my opinion :> [18:12] i don't really understand why they stopped releasing 64-bit flash [18:13] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:13] those are never good signs...i think they might be rethinking that whole branch of their operations: flash [18:14] neither apple nor google nor mozilla are giving them much love, and that's not so good... [18:14] or realizing it's the wrong approach [18:14] google is actually [18:14] they already said they'll support flash in youtube [18:15] and that flash cant just disapper and blah blah blah [18:15] They're not obligated to support it, but it's not very friendly to ignore x86_64. I just committed a warning in the README; it will be in the next update. [18:15] and they are encoding everything in webm because it warms their building ? :) [18:15] while at the same time open sourcing vp8 and re-encoding all the videos to vp8 inside webm containers [18:15] well, if you think about it, windows users almost always use a 32bit browser [18:15] so is that like saying "i love you" while smacking you on the head at the same time? [18:15] and don't even know/care about 64bit flash [18:16] and that is the mainstream [18:16] apple + safari supports it too, no? [18:16] the least i would expect is dont support it. ban it/stop using it [18:16] i think it would be naive to think google is really supporting flash [18:16] zaltekk: Ok, I'm lost. I have the build script but that's all I find there... [18:17] they apparently include it with chrome now. something along the lines of it is quite necessary for some websites still, and that you're better off to let them make sure you have a secure version [18:17] they've made clear what horse they're betting on, and it is webm [18:17] niccos (~rob@adsl-93-89-48.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] flash 10.1 is suppose to work on phones now. but i really doubt it will be very useable [18:18] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] i wonder hows the cpu usage on android [18:18] that's why i was saying that i doubt you can really use it for much [18:18] Here? >> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/ [18:18] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:19] an overheatted phone doesnt sound good [18:19] if flash can max out somewhat recent cpus when it tries to scale video, i'd hate to see what it does to a phone [18:19] they have never been able to meet jobs' challenge: a pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey that didn't eat batteries like crazy and cpu cycles out the ass [18:20] http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flex/flexbuilder_linux/flexbuilder_linux_install_a5_112409.bin ? [18:20] doesn't look like flash to me [18:21] niccos (rob@adsl-93-89-48.owb.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:23] maybe adobe's going to focus on what it does well, publishing/design markets... [18:24] i haven't a clue, but dropping 64 bit support on flash certianly doesn't make me think they're increasing that deparment :) [18:27] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [18:30] zaltekk: I'm still kind of lost. I rand the build script and it produced libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz and so I opened that up and just copied libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ [18:30] Is that what I was supposed to do? [18:30] it creates an installable packge [18:30] use installpkg [18:30] terry, usually you would create a slackware package, but in this case, that's all the package would really contain, so it's OK [18:30] you can then removepkg it and when abobe pull their finger out you can upgradepkg [18:31] terry: why didnt you get the latest version though? [18:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:31] terry: errm nevermind [18:32] i thought you downloaded the 32bit one [18:32] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [18:32] terry: as they said, the buildscript should create an actual package too....probably in /tmp/ [18:32] but libflashplayer.so is just about all you get out of it [18:34] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [18:35] mancha, speaking about flash and mobiles...just googled html5 and j2me...see references to the bolt browser..wondering how opera mini coming along? [18:35] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] MLanden good question, i don't track opera at all... :( [18:36] Oh how could you, what with them singing in Italian? [18:36] I refuse to use an application for sensitive things like online banking unless their source code can be readily audited... [18:36] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:37] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [18:38] doesn't that make it easier for people to find exploits and take your banking credentials? [18:38] kasper (~kasper@dynamic-acs-24-101-191-246.zoominternet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] don't start the security through obscurity argument please [18:39] Nick change: kasper -> K-Chiggums [18:40] Shuren: Where do I get the latest version? What do I download? [18:40] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [18:41] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:43] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:43] jonatan (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:44] terry : http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ (please note that anthing under v10.1 has more holes than swiss cheese) [18:44] speaking of adobe and security. not sure how many of you use adobe's pdf reader but 9.3.3 was released a few days ago that patches up a LOT of issues. [18:45] if you don't use it, disregard, if you do, i hope my comment helps you. [18:45] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [18:45] i found okular is mush nicer looking then adobe reader and faster too [18:45] yeah its been updated in SBo [18:46] now let's hope that chrome's pdf rendering will be out for linux soon [18:46] i am partial to evince though okular is light years ahead of of kpdf (barf). though some functions of pdf are not available except in adobe's product.. [18:46] one is bubble comments, can't get those in evince or okular. [18:46] why? clicking a PDF in konq. embeds okular very nicely [18:47] WildWizard: That is what I had before (10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64) Where do I get flashplayer-plugin-10.0.42.34-x86_64-1 [18:47] ? [18:47] terry, http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [18:48] terry look closer at the version number :) [18:48] zaltekk said that 10.0.42.34-x86_64 works. So where can I get it? [18:48] terry: extra. we've already been over this. [18:48] s/works/works for him/ [18:48] zaltekk: I found the build script there, yes. [18:48] one issue with okular is the heaviness of the footprint...okular itself is not so heavy but it reuqires all of kde4-graphics which requires kde4-libs and maybe runtime. and of course qt4 [18:49] zaltekk: So now what? [18:49] zaltekk, extra probably has the old version [18:49] terry: then execute it and it'll create a package for you [18:49] this is a lot of fucking umph...for a pdf reader [18:49] thrice`: quite possibly. but he wants it for whatever reason [18:49] I did execut it. [18:50] evince, being a gnome animal, only requires the usual gtk/glib2 stuff and a few more gnome libs... [18:50] how many gnome libs? [18:50] not many, libgnome, gconf, and orbit2 [18:50] none [18:51] evince will build out of the box on slackware [18:51] unless you try the latest development version, which is being ported to the new glib/gtk [18:51] s/evince/the patched evince on SBo/ [18:51] This is what it does: http://pastebin.ca/1894133 [18:51] sahko, http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.1/office/evince/evince.SlackBuild which patch? [18:52] :) [18:52] oh right its been reverted [18:52] terry: then pull down the slack-desc [18:52] terry did you copy all the files from the extra dir over? [18:52] what i like is the versatility of evince. it can read pdf, tiff, djvu, impress, dvi, ps [18:52] WildWizard: No [18:53] also, i can put my finger on it, but somethig about okular's UI rubs me the wrong way... [18:53] it seems too cluttered when you openit up [18:54] it kind of is. i think theres been many complaints about it [18:54] you can configure all of that, just like you can with evince. the two are almost identical [18:55] okular cluttered press F7 [18:55] yeah but not just the nav panel, the icons atop are too big [18:56] dunno, i don't like the UI [18:56] they are like that in acrobat too [18:56] right click -> icon size [18:56] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [18:56] settings -> configure toolbars [18:56] etc :> [18:57] i'm sure i'll not convince okular lovers that it isn't good, but i don't like it. [18:57] yep icon sizes are adjustable maybe you have the old man settings with giant stuff [18:57] 16x16 is still to big and that is the smallest it'll go [18:57] and even at 16x16 (which i find too big) the icons themselves are ugly [18:57] I personally think it's one of kde's best apps [18:58] tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0340.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:58] are you using a 40" plasma for a monitor? [18:58] how can 16x16 be too big? [18:58] Ok flashplayer-plugin-10.0.42.34-x86_64-1.txz installed [18:58] no, i just have good eyesight, i can see two african tsetse flies copulating at 400 meters [18:59] lol [18:59] :) [18:59] BUT, Adobe Flash Player has crashed [18:59] ? [18:59] probably the most anoying thing about akular is that it doesnt have a previous/next page shortcut defined by default [18:59] terry you just installed the old version of the buggy version ... did you follow that? [19:00] sahko: that part i agree with [19:00] sahko, it is here, as alt+shift+arrow [19:00] also okular doesn't understand the concept of "exit" [19:00] WildWizard: What version should I install? [19:00] MapMan (mapman@2001:470:1f0a:120e::fe) joined ##slackware. [19:00] hey [19:01] mancha: what do you mean? [19:01] I installed RIPlinux on my usb which is based on slack [19:01] mancha, how so? [19:01] I booted it, did some stuff, copied some files to home [19:01] ctrl+q exits [19:01] jonatan (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:01] now any idea how I can access those files from windows? [19:01] sahko, doesn't it leave all the kde4 crapola running? [19:01] MapMan, sorry, you're not on slackware - go bug those guys [19:01] zaltekk: Said that flashplayer-plugin-10.0.42.34-x86_64 worked for him. [19:02] terry: firstly are you aware that there is no longer any support for 64bit flash and that any 64bit version you install is considered a security risk? [19:02] terry: it does work for me. [19:02] thrice`: what? [19:02] in any event, didn't mean to participate in a pdf reader flame war, i like evince - that's all. [19:02] mancha: they are running in general [19:03] MapMan, as a slackware channel, we're not obligated to help you with non-slackware problems :) go bug the RIP people [19:03] sahko not here they're not, until i fire up okular and even after i quit it [19:03] would you rather start a vi flame war? [19:03] emacs sucks! [19:03] thrice`: not here, i dont if its that im still in 4.4.3 or i have set alt+shift to change language [19:03] thrice`: i dont know if there is rip channel, and this is the closest I could get [19:03] WildWizard: So I've been told, (here and today) but this is my first 64bib system, so I know very little ... basically what I've learnde today and last night. [19:03] god damned nerds and obeying rules just to obey [19:03] sahko, oh, I'm on 4.4.4 :> perhpas it was changed [19:03] well that didn't work. i guess we have no emacs followers here :> [19:04] nope i use jed [19:04] jed, are you nuts!?? [19:04] no just crazy [19:04] i think i actually use emacs and vi about equally... [19:04] neither of which is often [19:05] you know, some gui based editors coming out lately aren't bad... [19:06] aside from gvim which is always a very solid one to fall back to... [19:06] terry: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ (use that one grab the slackbuild archive first and unpack it and then drop the flashplugin download into the same directory) [19:07] mancha: yeah theres lots of nice simple gui editors with syntax highlighting and all [19:07] the older i get the less i dislike the idea of gui editors... [19:08] they're no longer shit, they make life easy, and like you said a lot do smart syntax highlighting and all kinds of neat plugins, like bash-interfacing, scripting, etc. [19:08] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Package flashplayer-plugin-10.0.42.34-x86_64-1.txz installed [19:10] terry: does it work? [19:10] wait no that is the old one you did before that didn't? [19:10] WildWizard: correct. [19:11] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] Well, sort of. [19:11] Can not use streetview on maps.google.com [19:12] use openstreetmap [19:12] I was, however, able to paly a video from youtube. [19:12] the opensource solution [19:12] or whatever it is [19:13] Just tried to play a second one and have been informed that the flash player plugin has crased. [19:14] that's normal [19:15] I see... [19:16] Well, why is it that my it doesn't crash on my old 32 bit system? [19:16] terry: it isn't the same binary [19:16] I suppose the answer is obvious... 64 bit flash player plugin is broken? [19:16] as we've said, 64-bit flash is discontinued and never made it out of adobe labs to begin with [19:18] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [19:18] also your amd cpu sucks at using it [19:18] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [19:19] most likely thats for the better [19:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] troy (~troy@94.237.119.202) joined ##slackware. [19:21] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-88.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:21] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:22] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:22] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-17.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:31] Entulho (~foo@189.31.112.46) joined ##slackware. [19:34] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:34] Well, I guess it's just not going to happen. zaltekk I wish I knew how you did it. [19:35] ea_suter (~easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:35] I was trying to fix this system up for a kid that works for my wife. I suppose I'll just ditch slackware 64 and go back to 32bit. [19:36] ... not real happy with flash player plugin [19:36] terry, converting the kid (to linux,I mean) ? [19:36] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) joined ##slackware. [19:37] MLanden: yes [19:37] woot! [19:37] terry: go multilib if you want 32bit flash [19:37] there isn't any need to install a 32bit os just for flash [19:37] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [19:37] zaltekk: How to go to multilib? [19:38] terry: http://tinyurl.com/2w9ot3p [19:39] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [19:39] MLanden: /me ... *test [19:39] edthix (~ed@124.13.33.182) joined ##slackware. [19:39] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [19:40] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [19:41] zaltekk: Oh that's cool, "Let me google that for you" haha I like that. [19:42] I'm going to reboot this system and see what happens. (and try flashplayer-plugin-10.0.42.34-x86_64-1 agn). brb [19:42] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:44] Ig0r (~user@213.149.138.60) joined ##slackware. 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[19:47] alisonken1home gi ve plsss 1/2 site for more info [19:47] MLanden: not connected to that switch right now, I'm connected to my 24 port 100/10 Mbit switch [19:47] igor : "man ip" [19:48] oks tnx [19:48] fatalnix: ok [19:48] http://www.netbsd.org/docs/network/ipv6/ [19:48] nice switch really, it has 24 10Mbit access ports and 1 100Mbit trunk port [19:48] Right now I am trying to find out why tftpd is not starting, and apparently syslog isn't helping much. [19:48] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ipv6+network [19:49] tnx alisonken1home :) [19:49] edthix (ed@124.13.33.182) left ##slackware. [19:50] I forgot it was udp, it says open|filtered now [19:55] This isn't good, an entire volume group is missing on this suse server next to me haha. [19:59] Stx (stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Ping timeout: 619 seconds [19:59] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:00] fatalnix: neat. [20:03] lol [20:03] nachox (~Ignacio@201.216.213.17) joined ##slackware. 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[21:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:17] been spamming many channels [21:18] he got what he deserved alright; http://tinyurl.com/7mzua [21:18] kitche: that's an understatement. [21:18] hahaha [21:18] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:18] antiwire: hehehe [21:19] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Alan_Hicks: sorry, didn't have a chance to find that log for you. [21:22] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [21:22] np [21:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) joined ##slackware. [21:24] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:24] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. 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[21:43] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:44] MLanden, i think so [21:45] just tough of it, im aquiring one probably next week as soon as my credit card grows in limit [21:46] seanj (~seanj@unaffiliated/node357) joined ##slackware. [21:46] guax: guess if it follows along the same line as the beagle board...it could be,theoretically...but,always other factors that could brick it [21:46] MLanden, i think i can actually use the android kernel that ships with it. But rooting might be necessary [21:47] of course the safety of the process must be availed before any trial [21:47] true [21:48] any idea how to mute microphone on slackware 13.1? i can either make it not work at all, or be able to record but hear my own voice [21:48] using a sound blaster live [21:49] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:50] seanj: alsamixer [21:50] danc3: doesnt work [21:50] MLanden, it appears to have a recovery mode that you can flash the system back, i think that part of the sistem is ROM so it might be quite safe. Just need to confirm that. [21:50] i've tried alsamixer, kmix and the xfce mixer [21:50] seanj: of course it works [21:50] danc3: no, it does not work for me [21:50] the microphone just won't work properly [21:50] heh. ok [21:50] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] jd- (~jds@cpe-76-177-195-56.natcky.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:52] seanj: I've had to use digital input on my dell for this to work [21:52] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6A82A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] jd- (~jds@76.177.195.56) joined ##slackware. [21:52] ugh thumbs, i have no way to do that [21:53] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:53] seanj: how so? [21:53] goj|afk (~goj@p5488E534.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] i only have analog speakers [21:53] lol [21:53] and mic [21:53] not talking about output, here. The intel soundcard provided some interesting devices. [21:54] to mute, or enable sound input, the digital device worked. [21:54] oh i see [21:54] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) joined ##slackware. [21:55] goj (~goj@p4FE6B6BB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:56] Nick change: goj|afk -> goj [21:56] the sound of silence [21:56] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:56] mic is muted, mic capture is on, mic boost is on, no program can record throught the mic [21:56] and it urned digital in/out on too [21:57] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6A82A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:57] ah. [21:57] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:57] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:57] yeah, the RAID BIOS on that suse server apparently died. [21:57] what luck lol [21:57] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [21:57] fatalnix: I hope you have backups. [21:57] woudl be nice if there was some kind of support option for slackware [21:58] I'm going to try flashing it, but it just disabled them after ten reboots of "the BIOS is missing!" [21:58] seanj: what do you mean? [21:58] like somoene i could phone [21:58] I checked the hardware and all [21:58] i ask online and no one ever knows what the problem is [21:58] like why my mic works on windows but not slackwaer [21:59] seanj: sounds like you better just stick with windoze... [21:59] Action: thumbs feels ignored [21:59] i kinda hav e to if no one will help me figure this stuff out [21:59] gash (~gash@pool-74-96-123-249.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] ok then, buh bye [22:00] danc3: what is with your bad attitude anyway [22:00] no bad attitude here [22:00] i ask for help and yuo say goodbye, what a guy [22:00] hey seanj what's the problem now? [22:00] I was busy [22:00] the microphone won't work on slackware 13.l1 [22:00] 13.1 [22:00] set the mic to capture AND capture device to capture [22:00] i tried every switch there is [22:00] in alsamixer you do that with the space bar [22:01] okay [22:01] use tab twice to access your recording devices [22:01] and playback [22:01] I don't know how I found that out, I just did years ago heh. [22:01] now my mic is blaring through the speakers :( [22:01] seanj: and you are sure your microphone itself isn't muted? [22:01] turn off mic boost1 [22:02] mic boost = bad [22:02] no, my mic isnt muted [22:02] it's quiet now but i can still hear it through the speakers [22:02] mic boost is like turning phantom power on when you have a bugzapper on one end, and your tounge on the other. [22:02] haha [22:03] yeah, I usually set capture to +/- 0 db [22:03] gash (~gash@pool-74-96-123-249.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:03] and mic to +/- 0 db [22:03] that is like, 74 or something [22:03] still no recording [22:03] seanj: didn't I tell you the fix was alsamixer, about 20 minutes ago? [22:03] it isn't fixed [22:03] heh [22:04] what are you trying to record to and how? [22:04] rec, skype, etqw [22:04] I just heard screaming and fireworks. [22:04] random butback to the convo heh [22:04] okay [22:05] check your skype settings and make sure it's using the right card for recording and playback [22:05] okay [22:05] both devices in alsamixer (capture and mic) should say something like under them [22:05] on the recording page [22:05] which like I said, I use tab twice to see all ofthem [22:05] I almost invariably have to flip the "On/Mute" switch on my headset in order to get the mic to work anytime I plug it in. [22:05] oh yes! [22:06] the m key will enable / mute them [22:06] if its green with an M at the bottom it is enabled [22:06] otherwise if it's just M and no green coloring or anything it's muted completely [22:06] sorry danc3 you were right im just frustrated [22:06] ah okay [22:07] (I was referring to the actual physical switch on my headset, but making sure it's unmuted in alsamixer sometimes helps as well.) [22:07] I got frustrated the other day and lost all of /usr because of it [22:07] ouch [22:07] yep [22:07] there goes all of my music and everything [22:07] :( [22:07] so I'm waiting on access to the NAS [22:07] i tried every capture device and still get no recording [22:08] you dhould only have mid and capture [22:08] you sure you're using the mic port and not line in? [22:08] yep [22:08] line in is used for amplified devices [22:08] jkwood: does the button show anything is dmesg when you press it? [22:09] so, capture and mic are both showing or what not in red, and they are both with a green box with an M in the center? [22:09] that's right [22:09] No, it's not on the machine, but the headset itself. [22:09] takes me a while to find the because there are dozens of controls [22:10] capture doesn't have an enable / disable [22:10] sec [22:10] mine does.. [22:10] if i hit spacebar [22:11] jkwood: ok [22:11] http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4816/alsamixer.jpg [22:11] his is what mine looks like [22:11] I just took a screenshot [22:12] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:12] thanks fatalnix ... mine looks the same... capture in red under both mic and capture [22:12] i can hear my own voice if i talk, but programs can't [22:12] hmm [22:12] Ig0r (~user@213.149.138.60) left irc: [22:13] I guess it says 00 not M [22:13] i think older ones said M XD [22:13] sorry [22:13] its ok [22:13] but nevermind that [22:14] MM is muted, 00 is no volume [22:14] ah ok [22:14] so skype test call isn't working at all? [22:14] no, zero sound when it tries to play back [22:14] no voice in etqw, nothing when using rec either [22:14] but if i talk i hear myself quite well.. blech [22:15] i tried every listed device in skype, staring with mic capture on hw 0.1 [22:15] seanj: which model sound blaster do you have? [22:15] it's a sb live value [22:16] CT4832 [22:16] like the old legacy 1998 sound blaster lives? those were EPIC! [22:16] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [22:16] i like them, and i miss my awe-64 :( [22:16] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Client Quit [22:16] my dad has an old old sb live [22:16] had so many unique features [22:16] like voice changing, etc [22:16] didnt know that [22:16] yeah it was awesome [22:16] sweet synth patches [22:17] alsamixer brought a whole bunch of things to light i was unaware of [22:17] the awe-64 had an amazing wavetable [22:17] live is ok too [22:17] no idea how to use that with slackwware [22:17] do you know how to get into the sound device options in skype? [22:17] but the mic thing is very important [22:17] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:17] yes i do fatalnix [22:17] what do you have set for the mic and playback/. [22:17] i was trying each devicel isted under microphone, then making a test call [22:18] playback is set to default hmm [22:18] u_ (~u@92.27.72.92) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:18] haha its cool you can have a seperate device for ringing, that way you could have it ring through the building's speaker system with a seccond sound card :D [22:18] hah [22:18] u_ (~u@92.27.72.92) joined ##slackware. [22:18] my desktop has two sound cards [22:19] i had this problem in 13.0 so i watied for 13.1 hoping it would be working [22:19] you know wiat a minute! [22:19] cool [22:19] do you have two? [22:19] including the on board crap some come with [22:19] nope, sorry hehe [22:19] damn [22:19] good idea though [22:19] I was going to say, you can tell alsa mixer to configure card number 2 with alsamixer -2 or something [22:19] i was wondering if that might be the problem [22:19] ah handy [22:20] i have artritis so try to avoid typing [22:20] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:20] use the mic to talk to people [22:20] hmm.i you only have one the default should work [22:20] it is strange [22:20] cptbfhrt (~wolf@host-static-92-115-60-241.moldtelecom.md) joined ##slackware. [22:21] it is, I've never had a problem [22:21] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [22:21] I did when I first started but I didn't know what I was doing lol [22:21] haha [22:21] like me [22:21] well yeah but I've showed you what I can think of [22:21] it should be working [22:21] well thanks for helping [22:22] got nothing better to do [22:22] :D [22:22] :) [22:22] all my other systems are down [22:22] oh no [22:22] yeah definately [22:22] within this week [22:23] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] theres one of those super super tiny moths, the ones not even half the size of blackflies xooming accross my laptop's screen in all directions haha [22:23] _claytones_ (~somebody@189-29-80-18-bp.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:23] been doing that for a couple days now. [22:23] gak [22:23] I don't mind it [22:24] well that's good then :) [22:24] He won't hurt anything lol [22:24] hehe true [22:24] i have to get this computer working somehow, so thanks much for the help and take care [22:24] seanj (~seanj@unaffiliated/node357) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:26] u_ (u@92.27.72.92) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:28] I have no place to store my data :( [22:28] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:29] Action: Alan_Hicks tunes in. [22:29] u_ (5c1b485c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.27.72.92) joined ##slackware. [22:29] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:29] u_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Plugging the spam hole. [22:30] ... [22:30] lol? [22:30] whah...? [22:31] What is going on in here? [22:31] no idea. [22:31] the sky is falling? [22:31] @ rh0h0nda [22:34] Action: MLanden sticks a pi on that rh0h0nda....burn,baby,burn! [22:35] cptbfhrt (wolf@host-static-92-115-60-241.moldtelecom.md) left ##slackware. [22:35] lol [22:43] damn i have part/joins turned off, who got the big boot? [22:44] Am I in ##slackware? [22:44] yes [22:45] Okay making sure. Thought irssi was lying about what room I was in. [22:45] No this is some other weird place where the rules of the universe no longer apply and some other rule set does .... damn the funny version takes so long to type [22:45] K-Chiggums (~kasper@dynamic-acs-24-101-191-246.zoominternet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:47] K-Chiggums (~kasper@dynamic-acs-24-101-191-246.zoominternet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] lol [22:53] cpunches (~cpunches@72.95.96.226) joined ##slackware. [22:54] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:57] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:59] WildWizard (michael@2001:44b8:3071:78b:81e4:455d:73c2:9779) left ##slackware. [23:00] nachox (~Ignacio@201.216.213.17) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:01] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [23:02] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:78b:81e4:455d:73c2:9779) joined ##slackware. [23:02] hi again everybody [23:03] Hey [23:03] heya [23:03] Action: telemarketer loves his slackware [23:04] mainly use 12.2 on two machines, but got 13.0 and also 7.1 on and old p 120 mhz machine [23:06] pre-9.0... kudos [23:06] telemarketer: got vesa on the old pentium 120? [23:06] I'm.........I think it's an old arklogic card, 1 or 2 mb [23:07] what do you use the box for? [23:07] x is pretty decent though [23:07] well.......I multiboot either DOS 6.22 or sw 7 [23:07] dip that thing in amber... [23:07] it's a classic [23:07] in DOS I have a dial up BBS I sometimes run, [23:08] could the arklogic get 1024x768..or was 800x600 the cutoff? [23:08] in sw 7 I just fart around, it's my crash test dummy [23:09] well.........I got a 15" monitor, I don't think I'd want 1024 x 768 even if it would get it [23:09] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:09] which bbs package do you have on it? [23:09] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-149-70.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:09] hi [23:09] I got several........trying to think.....crs syndrome [23:09] tribbs [23:09] I am having an issue with gdk-pixbuf [23:10] is the main one, been trying to get wildcat classic dos bbs running [23:10] my system can't display any icons(not even in pidgin), and I can't open thunar [23:10] loved wildcat [23:10] GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory [23:10] wow [23:11] but recompiling gdk-pixbuf doesn't solve the problem, googled it and found no good answer [23:11] wildcat was a good one...nice mudserver [23:11] try another window manager ?????? [23:11] what version of slack??????? [23:11] . [23:11] 13.1 [23:11] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-134-024.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:11] ohhhh....... [23:11] also, pidgin is not displaying any icons [23:11] have you tried another wm ????? [23:12] tsccof: like squares in place of the text? [23:12] run xwmconfig and try xfce or something simpler [23:12] I recompiled gtk+2.19.7 by hand [23:12] MLanden: correct [23:12] asarch (~asarch@189.188.152.211) joined ##slackware. [23:12] when did 13.1 come out ? [23:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:12] tsccof, which windows manager? [23:13] thunar [23:13] thunar is a file manager [23:13] it is a general problem related to gdk-pixbuf or gtk+ [23:13] thunar isn't a windows manager [23:13] i assuem xfce? [23:13] oh sorry, fluxbox [23:13] 1.1.1 [23:13] ahhh [23:13] tsccof : why is it looking for /usr/etc ? [23:14] sound like pango and cairo might be causing some issues [23:14] oh.......I thought thunar was a file manager [23:14] should I recompile those? [23:14] telemarketer: it is, I got it wrong, lmao xD [23:14] try another wm, it just takes a minute [23:14] WildWizard: no idea, I tried using --prefix=/usr/local, but I got into the same issue [23:14] you do boot runlevel 3 right ? to the cli ? [23:15] _misfit_ (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] telemarketer: yea [23:15] hang on...... [23:15] telemarketer: I built fluxbox-1.1.1 and thunar on top of that [23:15] what have you recompiled? you've changed something as it should be /etc/gtk-2.0/ [23:15] WildWizard: I have recompiled gtk+ [23:16] WildWizard: from the default 2.28.4(I think) that comes with Slack 13.1 to 2.29.7 [23:16] did you use slackware slackbuild script as your starting point? [23:16] WildWizard: no, ./configure --prefix=/usr, then made a package using makepkg [23:17] WildWizard: that is probably the problem since it used to work fine until I recompiled gtk+ [23:17] arrr bad idea ... get the slackbuild script and then change it just enough to work with the newer source [23:17] WildWizard: ok, thanks mate [23:17] thanks everyone else as well [23:18] good luck! [23:18] I will read the slackbuild for getting it right in my mind though [23:19] tsccof: this might help as well for reference http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-building.html [23:20] ummmmmm.........can I ask a dumb question.......I still mostly use sw 12.2, at least on my main machine....did they bring gnome back for sw 13 ???? [23:20] since gtk+ does not take too long to compile, I will still try to do it manually [23:20] telemarketer: no, no GNOME [23:20] telemarketer: no...still a 3rd party install [23:20] I didn't think so.......sw 10 was the last one [23:20] telemarketer: gtk+!=gnome [23:20] dude [23:21] the g in gtk doesnt even stand for gnome [23:21] telemarketer: there is DroplineGnome in case you want it [23:21] tsccof: or GSB [23:21] well.........mlanden mentioned the gnome library above [23:21] doesn't it stand for gimp toolkit? [23:21] nyRednek: yeah [23:21] if you want gnome and slackware get slackware 13.1 and GSB apparantly they play nicely together [23:21] GSB is preferred ovre dropline. [23:21] yeah......saw dropline gnome the other day [23:22] tsccof: DLG has a rough uninstall method [23:22] I still boot to sw 10.1 now and then and gnome on that if I feel the need for it [23:22] I actually thought DLG and GSB were the same thing [23:22] tsccof: not quite [23:23] no, DLB and GSB are two seperate things [23:23] DLG [23:23] GSB looks awesome [23:24] telemarketer: was only mentioning that site for reference [23:24] np mlanden [23:24] tsccof, you're probably better off building gnome from source into packages. [23:25] or using an older slack and going with dropline [23:25] bagira: I am making a custom repository of sources that has a build script for every package, adding GNOME to it would be sweet [23:25] that does sound sweet :) [23:25] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:26] it supports things such as installing, reinstalling, updating, removing, syncronising to the latest tree, cleaning the cache [23:26] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:26] searching the repository, searching local list of installed packages [23:26] tsccof, careful of reinventing the wheel, though; I think there is a clone of fbsd's ports system for slackware somewhere. i keep forgetting what it's called. [23:26] I want to make a full repository for slackware [23:27] tsccof, if you install many packages that aren't default slackware stock or didn't come with GSB, you're going to run into problems around every corner, and not get much help for it because you no longer have a 'clean environment'. [23:28] its just not stable right now. [23:28] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:29] I'm wondering what the general consensus is of going from SW 12.2 to SW 13..........and....kde 3.5 to kde 4.x whatever it is now [23:29] bagira: true... I don't plan on running gnome though, fluxbox does the job [23:30] bagira: but I do plan on making the repository useful [23:30] telemarketer, i'm something of a holdout as well... but the version of kde on 13.1 is slick [23:30] and the advantages of current packages speaks for itself [23:30] yeah........sw 13 is installed on a box in my guestroom, and I don't spend much time.....but kde 4 seemed to 'widgety' for me.....I'm trying to be open minded [23:30] rumplestiltskin [23:31] im disappointed at my slackware on the x25-m :/ [23:31] a friend of mine said slackware used to be a lot better and I have to disagree, he runs debian [23:31] anyone else have slackware on an intel ssd ? [23:31] ssd ? [23:31] solid state drive [23:31] solid state disc [23:31] drive [23:31] lmao [23:31] ohhhhh......not I [23:32] damn [23:32] Action: bagira is not sure if he has that or not lol [23:32] lol [23:32] i think you'd notice [23:32] well, slack runs on stuff other distros won't even boot up on [23:32] at least kde doesn't run sexily enough [23:32] tsccof: lenny,right? [23:33] telemarketer, linux is...linux....in terms of compatability. [23:33] MLanden: yeah, he said "oh, slackware was this and that", but for me slackware will always be the classical tidy raw thing [23:33] well i guess thats not true, to be honest im way behind. [23:34] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:78b:81e4:455d:73c2:9779) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:34] sw 13 is on an old compaq 500 mhz machine /w 256 megs ram......I tried mepis, debian, fedora......not even close of a chance on that machine [23:34] it does depend on the config of the kernel.. [23:34] MLanden: we only run into problems if WE run into problems, and I don't think many computer users may say that nowadays, what do you think? [23:35] tsccof: makes good on the challenge to correct it...good learning curve..;) [23:35] away [23:36] MLanden: totally agreed [23:36] speaking of learning curve, anyone have luck with getting fax software working on slack ???? I got efax cli and that's about it [23:36] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:37] debian not bad on non x86 archs...but sometimes netbsd(though not linux) is handy as well [23:37] I like Debian [23:37] I can fax text files with efax, but hylafax, efax-gtk, kdeprintfax........all no go in slackware :( [23:37] but apt-get autoremove has failed me many times [23:37] i like debian too.. to rott in hell [23:38] I mean, I don't like Debian for me, I like it to people who don't do slack [23:38] I don't dislike it, but I wouldn't run it at home [23:38] tsccof, so they could come back with stupid questions? [23:38] jeev: lmao [23:39] telemarketer: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/hylafax/ [23:39] jeev: a debian user(who had been running debian for over 5 years) once told me I couln't get unrar to open the latest rar files on Debian [23:39] jeev: so I manually compiled unrar-3.9.7, but he was stuck in that "apt" thing [23:39] telemarketer: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/efax-gtk/ [23:39] jeev: as he only knew that [23:40] ah yes [23:40] apt [23:40] danc ------I may take another stab at hylafax...... I tried it first from a linuxpackages.net, then from source....but I'm running sw 12.2 [23:40] apt get whatdebianbuiltforme [23:40] I didn't try anything from slackbuilds [23:40] tsccof: lol....could they ar x their own packages(after placing them in a folder,of course)? [23:41] ea_suter (~easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:41] telemarketer: that was your mistake... using lp.net [23:41] MLanden: haha, no idea, they were really rude since I asked them questions about the advantages of Debian [23:41] yeah but if you also go around building stuff from source it's less transparent to see what's installed on your system and possibly conflicting; im confused from listening to different channels talk about what the "best practice" is with that. [23:41] MLanden: and they answered in a very rude way [23:41] MLanden: so I left their channel and never went back [23:42] brb [23:42] MLanden: I actually see more Ubuntu power users than Debian power users [23:42] and then you run into issues with bin packages with one prefix and compiled source with a different prefix, so its not finding dependencies it should, and blah blah [23:42] "Ubuntu power user".... ROFL [23:42] bagira: so true [23:42] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:43] danc3: lmao, not joking, I have seen some! [23:43] when I was on LSD, of course [23:43] lol [23:43] heh [23:43] nah, but they're real [23:43] but rare, I reckon [23:44] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:7a6:dd71:4ab5:7967:32e1) joined ##slackware. [23:44] eh. i dont mind ubuntu stuff. what i mind is going on gnome-look.org or something and looking for gtk themes and having to sort through mouse themes and gdm themes people posted as gtk themes, and, sure enough, it's made on/for ubuntu. [23:45] or going to their forums froma google result page thinking i found a clue about an issue im having, and having some lame response from one of their users saying 'use some other app' or they go off on some tangent and it dies off. [23:46] bagira: that does suck...'specially looking at the gtkrc after uncompressing the package [23:46] bagira: true, I can't bear that [23:46] okay.......I found both hylafax and efax-gtk for sw12.2 on slackbuilds.org.......do ya'll think that's a better approach than my attempts to (1) build from source or (2) linuxpackages.net, both which failed :( [23:47] MLanden, oh man yeah, i cant tell you how many great themes i've junked from not having the patience to totally recreate the theme. [23:47] bagira: I mean, I don't think I like Ubuntu as a system, but I have seen some power users that run it [23:47] telemarketer: without a doubt [23:47] bagira: but they would install its server version on a desktop and compile most things manually on top of that [23:47] tsccof, i tested it for like a month last year and was just blown away how much progress it'd made since like...2004/2005... [23:48] okaaaaaaaay dan3, I'll try it........... [23:48] danc3 I meant [23:48] it was just little things that i couldn't live with [23:48] their support channels are superb, btw [23:48] I'll have to do some RTFM'ing with slackbuilds.org as I have never done it that way [23:48] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:48] bagira: Linux Mint is really nice as well [23:49] tsccof, in terms of what? [23:50] bbiab [23:50] bagira: for a person that just wants to use a computer, the average user [23:50] bagira: lol..speakin' of gtk themes...30 flavours of dark... http://www.linuxnov.com/top-30-dark-gnome-themes-gtk-2-x/ saw it on raiden's realm [23:50] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:50] bagira: its out-of-the-box experience is great for non-experienced people [23:51] bagira: better than Windows' or Mac's or Ubuntu's or anything I have seen [23:51] bagira: it is something I would give my mum and I know she wouldn't ask me questions about it [23:52] bagira: since it is really easy to use, as in REALLY easy to use [23:52] bagira: I think it is almost focused towards retarded people, rofl [23:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:53] lol [23:53] I saw a video demo of openbsd on youtube, looks like it's focused on *out of the box* automagical stuff [23:54] telemarketer, im not sure about that; i know i had great results with fbsd. if i can navigate a fbsd system, anyone can. [23:54] I think they're the ones with the devil and pitchfork logo [23:54] yeah i bet youre talking about freebsd; they had a fork like that, pcsbd that was hot for a minute a few years back. [23:54] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:55] I get openbsd and freebsd confused [23:55] the system that impressed me the most was arch linux [23:55] I do have a 'bsdanywhere' bootable cd that I thought was 'okay' [23:55] pcbsd was a distro based on freebsd that was easier imo to use than any windows system [23:55] I work daily on two freebsd servers, but arch was a huge surprise [23:56] it was a good stepping stone to get people onto fbsd too [23:56] how is arch? [23:56] bagira: it is great, its package system is good, it is rolling release, packages are well tested [23:56] bagira: optimised for i686 and x86_64 [23:56] huh. neat. [23:57] bagira: minimalist, no xorg after installed, no default desktop [23:57] eek [23:57] bagira: it is a great operating system [23:57] i imagine thats real good for some, real not for others lol [23:57] bagira: installing xorg and a DE is really simple [23:57] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/bagira' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:57] bagira kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Punches, you are a "poisonous person" and no longer welcome here. Google it. [23:58] why was bagira banned? o.o [23:59] Action: tsccof afraid of being randomly banned [23:59] that was.........interesting [23:59] very [00:00] --- Sun Jul 4 2010