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[00:08] <jeev> when sbopkg installs/upgrades
[00:08] <jeev> does it back up existing config ?
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[00:10] <hiptobecubic> I'm trying to build sbo virtualbox-ose and it is complaining about needing libcap, which is not in sbo. Is anyone familiar with this?
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[00:14] <BP{k}> hiptobecubic: yes
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[00:14] <BP{k}> hiptobecubic: it's part of slackware.
[00:14] <hiptobecubic> BP{k}, shouldn't i have it then? I'm not sure why it's failing
[00:15] <BP{k}> hiptobecubic: sorry, I do not have access to your machine. So I don't know. You tell me if you have it..
[00:15] <hiptobecubic> BP{k}, well i just reinstalled it using slackpkg
[00:15] <hiptobecubic> so assumedly yes
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[00:16] <hiptobecubic> let's try this build again....
[00:16] <BP{k}> hiptobecubic: well assuming is silly. *Check* and know for sure.
[00:18] <hiptobecubic> i have /lib/libcap.so  and it's in pkgtool
[00:18] <hiptobecubic> so i firmly believe it to be installed!
[00:19] <BP{k}> so what slackware-version, and what is exactly the error.
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[00:21] <hiptobecubic> -current and the error is Checking for libcap library:
[00:21] <hiptobecubic>   libcap not found at -lcap or libcap headers not found
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[00:22] <bryanlharris_> Do you have to say -I/path/to/file?
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[00:24] <hiptobecubic> Has everyone else who's built virtualbox-ose using the slackbuild on sbo altered it to include that?
[00:24] <BP{k}> nope.
[00:24] <hiptobecubic> Didn't think so either
[00:24] <BP{k}> but then again I am not runn ing -current and it works fine on slackware-12.2
[00:24] <hiptobecubic> what version of libcap do you have?
[00:24] <BP{k}> libcap-2.14-i486-1
[00:26] <hiptobecubic> hmmm i have 2.16
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[00:31] <hiptobecubic> the svn of vbox seems to have worked this out
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[00:39] <firebird619> Anyone know why claws-mail won't switch themes?
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[00:43] <firebird619> I've tried switching to a variety of themes, I've removed all the themes, re-downloaded them and put them in ~/.claws-mail/themes and nothing seems to help.
[00:43] <BP{k}> even after restart?
[00:43] <BP{k}> (restarting claws)
[00:43] <firebird619> yeah
[00:44] <firebird619> The themes show up in claws-mail preferences, but when I click one, click apply, etc. The theme doesn't change.
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[00:48] <firebird619> BP{k}: Oh gosh, I fixed it. I wasn't hitting the "Use This" button and instead just hitting apply. I Fail. :( :P
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[00:54] <BP{k}> firebird619: haha, well you figured it out at least :)
[00:54] <firebird619> yeah, indeed I did.
[00:55] <firebird619> I've changed themes in claws before, I don't know why I didn't remember the Use This button, however you'd think pressing apply would also "apply" the theme.
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[01:16] <agentc0re> Hey anyone around that's benn in the military in the us?  Send me a PM if you will.
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[01:27] <jeev> nobody is talking
[01:27] <jeev> hello
[01:27] <jeev> talk if you've ever had sex
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[01:29] <firebird619> http://www.favbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/opera-10-tabs.jpg <--Opera 10 beta (soon to be released) with visual tabs.
[01:30] <dyn0myt3> nice :D
[01:30] <bryanlharris_> what is a non-visual tab?
[01:30] <bryanlharris_> oh I get it
[01:30] <sahko> looks like windows
[01:30] <bryanlharris_> little previews?
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[01:30] <firebird619> bryanlharris_: yes
[01:31] <bryanlharris_> thumbnails might be a better word
[01:31] <Camarade_Tux> I was like bryanlharris_ : what is a non-visual tab ?
[01:31] <Camarade_Tux> and ... it's big... :o
[01:31] <bryanlharris_> Yeah I thought I was being hilarious
[01:31] <Camarade_Tux> anyway, firebird619, how is it going ? =)
[01:31] <firebird619> sahko: yes, unfortunately it's a windows ss.
[01:31] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: going great, thank you. yourself? That beta is released it looks like, just not annouced. I'm downloading now.
[01:31] <sahko> firebird619: no i meant windows vista already do that "visual tab" thing
[01:32] <firebird619> sahko: which Web browser in Windows does that?
[01:32] <bryanlharris_> oh the alt-tab combo I think
[01:32] <sahko> firebird619: no web browser. windows do that
[01:32] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, nice, thanks :)
[01:32] <groo> there is a way to know how many resources an especific user is taken in a linux box?
[01:33] <sahko> its part of the vista bloat
[01:33] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, btw, have a look at maxthon, on the same website : http://www.favbrowser.com/maxthon-252-beta-4-released/
[01:33] <groo> easily, I mean
[01:33] <Camarade_Tux> it got quite bloated but had nice features :)
[01:33] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: Windows 7 will be out Oct. 22.
[01:33] <firebird619> of this year
[01:34] <Camarade_Tux> which means I have to get bug reports for mingw-w64 before that :P
[01:34] <firebird619> lol
[01:34] <Camarade_Tux> I'd better hurry up, I don't want to be too late to that english exam (so I can leave even earlier :D )
[01:34] <firebird619> you have a few months to go. Get to work. :P
[01:34] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: heh, later, get an A+
[01:35] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, the reason is that #mingw-w64's /topic starts with " VISTA USERS -- USE SP1!" ;)
[01:35] <dissociative> does cdrecord can burn dual layer dvd media?
[01:35] <firebird619> Vista SP2 is out. :P
[01:35] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, it's 4-hours long...
[01:35] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, but without at least sp1, mingw64 is simply not usable afaik
[01:36] <dissociative> everytime that I burn a dual layer dvd media with growisofs the data verification stage fails everytime but I'm not sure if it is growisofs's fault
[01:36] <superGear> doesn't Maxthon use IE's engine?
[01:36] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux:  Ah, I see. I don't use windows hardly at all, so I try to keep up by reading, but that's a lot to read about. :P
[01:36] <firebird619> yes
[01:36] <superGear> crap then
[01:36] <superGear> :P
[01:36] <firebird619> I think it can use ff's engine as well.
[01:36] <firebird619> but I'm not sure.
[01:37] <superGear> naw just IE's rendering engine
[01:37] <firebird619> well that sucks.
[01:40] <alisonken1noc> jeev: does tonight count?
[01:40] <sahko> ARGH i just deleted my fdm.conf by mistake. damn zsh approximate completion!
[01:40] <nooper> haha
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[01:40] <firebird619> sahko: hahaha
[01:40] <bryanlharris_> do you have to press tab multiple times in zsh?
[01:40] <bryanlharris_> to rotate through the choices?
[01:40] <sahko> and i didnt have a backup either
[01:40] <firebird619> bryanlharris_: yes
[01:41] <bryanlharris_> grep "sometext" /dev/hda
[01:41] <firebird619> sahko: you should always backup before you bork up. :P
[01:41] <firebird619> Well, this is, for sure, a new opera snapshot release, I don't see the visual tabs yet.
[01:43] <sahko> maybe its a sign to move to gmail fulltime
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[01:44] <firebird619> sahko: what's a sign for that?
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[01:44] <sahko> the deleted file..
[01:44] <me_> it's like the batsign but a big G
[01:45] <me_> gatman?
[01:45] <me_> sounds like a gangster
[01:45] <superGear> gayman
[01:45] <firebird619> sahko: heh, good idea maybe. :P
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[01:46] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, superGear, it uses an activex control and the gecko engine (is/has been) available as an activex control which makes it suitable for use with maxthon, but when I tried (several years ago), it didn't work really well (mozilla's fault)
[01:47] <Camarade_Tux> also, it's still a nice example of what a browser could do ;)
[01:47] <firebird619> Yes folks, it's gayman, he can accessorize, style hair, and apply makeup like there's no tomorrow.
[01:47] <Camarade_Tux> ok, I'll definitely be late :)
[01:47] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: cool. Have you tried arora? It's a very nice, fast browser.
[01:48] <firebird619> k, later Camarade_Tux, good luck with the english exam.
[01:48] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, yeah, but when I tried it, it was really feature-limited, it was more the demo that it was meant to be
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[01:49] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, I haven't left home yet, eating breakfast :D
[01:49] <firebird619> yeah, but it still functions nice, but I love opera, so I'll stick with it, and now there's a new snapshot to mess with. I'm trying to find those visual tabs.
[01:49] <slackmagic> evening everyone
[01:49] <Camarade_Tux> it's possible these visual tabs are only available on winzozs
[01:49] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: sweeet, found them.
[01:50] <Camarade_Tux> hi slackmagic
[01:50] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, ok, hehe :p
[01:50] <firebird619> Hey slackmagic
[01:50] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: this is nice. You can adjust the size as well.
[01:50] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, should I take that you have 2000px vertical screen reslution ? :P
[01:50] <me_> arora, i must check that out. Though i like firefox i do find it quite slow and a resource hog
[01:50] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: 22" widescreen. 1680x1050. :D
[01:51] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, die :)
[01:51] <firebird619> haha
[01:51] <Camarade_Tux> laptop, 1280x800 here =/
[01:51] <firebird619> lol
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[01:51] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, I'm aware mine's smaller !
[01:52] <init[1]> do you face firefox crash if you enable fullscreen in adobe flash
[01:52] <slackmagic> 24" lcds ftw! :)
[01:52] <Camarade_Tux> init[1], depends, but you may have an incompatibility/problem with your graphic card driver (try disabling hardware acceleration in flash properties for instance)
[01:52] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: http://imagebin.org/51261
[01:52] <firebird619> slackmagic: show off. :P
[01:53] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, you all have 22, 24 and I only have 15 ! ='(  (count them as centimeters ;) )
[01:53] <init[1]> checking it
[01:53] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, haha, nice
[01:53] <init[1]> Camarade_Tux: you use opera wow .:)
[01:53] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: This build hasn't even been announced yet, it's just been found.
[01:54] <firebird619> bbiab
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[01:54] <agentc0re> Camarade_Tux: BTW, thanks for the naked pic's at work earlier.  Next time can you give some warning?
[01:56] <Camarade_Tux> agentc0re, argh, sorry, but the only I gave was enclosed with "NSFW $img NSFW" ?
[01:56] <stybla> pr0n at this godly hour?
[01:56] Action: stybla waves channel
[01:56] <Camarade_Tux> init[1], nope
[01:56] <antiwire> Camarade_Tux declared his post
[01:57] <agentc0re> NSFW?  I was just like, WTF is this link???? :)
[01:57] <antiwire> well then it was your fault
[01:57] <antiwire> captain compulsive click
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[01:58] <Camarade_Tux> 5-minutes late :D
[01:58] <Camarade_Tux> haha, see you !
[01:59] <Camarade_Tux> and next time, I'll expand every "not safe for work" :p
[02:00] <agentc0re> HAHA.
[02:00] <agentc0re> Next time just say, HUGE TITS in, "link"
[02:00] <agentc0re> that way i know to look at it in a different way.
[02:00] <agentc0re> :D
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[02:06] <antiwire> I just got back from an 8 mile walk
[02:06] <me_> what the hell is a walk and where can i download it?
[02:07] <rob0> walk.com
[02:07] <antiwire> you can learn a lot walking around the city you live in
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[02:07] <antiwire> it's a much slower pace with a closer view of everything
[02:09] <alisonken1noc> problem is I work nights, and downtown LA is not really a good view at night
[02:09] <me_> slower than what? walking fast?
[02:09] <antiwire> me_: you don't go out much do you?
[02:11] <me_> what is out and where can i download it?
[02:11] <firebird619> me_: slackpkg install walk :P
[02:12] <firebird619> antiwire: won't be long and anyone and everyone will be able to take a virtual walk in google earth + street view.
[02:12] <antiwire> yeah well that doesn't do much for your body
[02:12] <firebird619> no, I know it doesn't, but that's where the technology is going.
[02:14] <firebird619> slackmagic: I don't know how or what, but my flux fonts are fixed, after moving my good config ~/.fluxbox to a different name as backup, letting it create a new ~/.fluxbox, and then moving the good one back, fonts are fine now.
[02:15] <firebird619> antiwire: Do you go walking every day?
[02:16] <antiwire> i try to yeah at least 5 miles
[02:16] <firebird619> cool
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[02:17] <me_> you could hook up a running machine to your pc and take a virtual walk i guess
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[02:17] <me_> but you'd really be walking on the machine so i guess it's not so virtual
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[02:18] <firebird619> me_: you could, yes, but really, nothing is as good as the real thing, getting outside and walking.
[02:18] <me_> could open a window too
[02:18] <me_> maybe get someone to shout abuse and throw piss at you or something
[02:19] <antiwire> treadmills aren't nearly the same as actually walking or running. when your body is actually walking or running over ground you use more muscles. on a treadmill the body tends to do more of a float than actually propelling itself forward.
[02:19] <antiwire> you can try it yourself; run 1 mile on a treadmill for a week and then run a mile around your city.
[02:19] <antiwire> you'll feel the difference
[02:20] <me_> i don't own a tradmill so i'll take your word for it
[02:20] <antiwire> treadmills are better than nothing but not quite the same as the real thing
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[02:20] <firebird619> just walking around your house is maybe better than using a treadmill
[02:21] <me_> no way
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[02:21] <me_> unless you have a huuge house
[02:21] <ccfreak2k> me_, the point is that the treadmill conveyer moves by itself.
[02:21] <firebird619> unless your house is full of crap, then practice rock climbing. :D
[02:21] <bryanlharris_> treadmill is inside, with nasty inside air, outside air is nicer
[02:21] <antiwire> i think so. real walking requires the use of your core muscles to maintain balance across uneven terrain. treadmills are a constant terrain
[02:22] <ccfreak2k> I get errands done on my bicycle, so I figure that's worth something.
[02:22] <antiwire> ccfreak2k: heck yeah it is
[02:22] <bryanlharris_> when I rode the train I would walk home, after I started driving I got about 20 pounds heavier
[02:22] <firebird619> me_: big house or small house, it's still just natural walking as opposed to a treadmill, if it's a small house, walk around it a few times. It may not have uneven terrain, but it's better than nothing.
[02:23] <alisonken1noc> antiwire: get some software for the computer and take a virtual run around the city - lots of choices with that one
[02:23] <antiwire> I already gps myself, that's how i track my distances
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[02:23] <antiwire> I upload my track logs into google earth
[02:23] <bryanlharris_> just burn the calories by playing typing tutor games
[02:23] <firebird619> antiwire: do you have a big map of all your routes then? I'm just curious.
[02:24] <antiwire> firebird619: I do!
[02:24] <antiwire> but i tend to take the same routes, maybe 6 different routes
[02:24] <firebird619> bryanlharris_: that probably doesn't burn many, if any, calories.
[02:24] <firebird619> antiwire: cool.
[02:25] <me_> serious question, does the act of eating burn calories?
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[02:25] <me_> it must do
[02:25] <firebird619> y0 slackytude
[02:25] <antiwire> me_: using any muscles, the brain and even the eyes burn calories
[02:26] <me_> mind blowing
[02:26] <antiwire> me_: in fact your optical nerves burn measurable amounts of calories by just playing video games
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[02:26] <slackytude> greetings!
[02:26] <slackytude> fine morning this morning
[02:26] <firebird619> slackytude: http://imagebin.org/51261
[02:26] <slackytude> y0 firebird619
[02:27] <slackytude> firebird619, O_o
[02:27] Action: slackytude goes to opera.com
[02:27] <firebird619> antiwire: plus, video games can be good for your hands too, maintaining flexibility, etc. and be able to learn to finely control something. I've read as well, those who play a lot of video games make good thorasic (sp?) surgeons.
[02:28] <firebird619> slackytude: It's not announced yet, but the download is available.
[02:28] <me_> and good rsi victims too
[02:28] <bryanlharris_> Yeah typing probably burns very little, you have to get the whole body involved in the activity to burn a lot
[02:28] <slackytude> firebird619, got a direct link?
[02:28] <firebird619> slackytude: looking for it, sec.
[02:28] <me_> type with your elbows
[02:29] <firebird619> slackytude: with this snapshot now, it's officially in beta.
[02:29] <antiwire> it's honestly not a joke when people say they are hungry after really using their brains for heavy thinking. the brain has some of the largest blood feeds in the whole body for oxygen and energy.
[02:29] <slackytude> great \o/
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[02:29] <slackytude> antiwire, needs the most oxygen too and its the place you lose most of the body heat
[02:30] <firebird619> slackytude: http://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/1000b1/beta1/en/ Pick the one for you. :D
[02:30] <antiwire> yep
[02:30] <bryanlharris_> breathing, sweating, pumping the blood around, plus having to push weight against gravity > pushing buttons with your fingers
[02:31] <antiwire> I think I read somewhere (don't have a link to support it) that the average brain under average usage burns about 18-20watts of energy
[02:31] <firebird619> slackytude: also, if you want the visual tabs at the top, you know how you can adjust the size of the tab bar anyways, just drag it down and the visual tabs will appear.
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[02:32] <slackytude> firebird619, give me a sec
[02:33] <firebird619> antiwire: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article3639884.ece Not the link you're thinking of I'm sure.
[02:33] <antiwire> close enough ;)
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[02:34] <firebird619> from that link: Shoot-'em-up video games can help you to multitask
[02:34] <slackytude> firebird619, great justice!
[02:34] <bryanlharris_> the multiplayer online kind or the single player walk-through kind?
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[02:36] <firebird619> look at the link, maybe the answer lies within.
[02:36] <slackytude> firebird619, I like it <3
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[02:37] <firebird619> slackytude: It's very nice. I've been using it about the past 15-20 minutes.
[02:37] <firebird619> heya frullet
[02:38] <frullet> firebird619: o/
[02:38] <firebird619> \o :P
[02:39] <firebird619> slackytude: I was reading too that a large bookmarks file can slow performance, so Tamil come up with removing the descriptions from the bookmarks to make it faster. He made an app for Windows to do it, but nothing for linux.
[02:39] <firebird619> frullet: How's it going?
[02:40] <frullet> firebird619: yeh cant complain, yourself
[02:40] <firebird619> doing excellent, thank you. :)
[02:41] <slackytude> firebird619, not my problem
[02:42] <firebird619> slackytude: me either.
[02:42] <firebird619> none of my bookmarks have descriptions.
[02:42] <firebird619> It's probably just a windows issue anyway. :P
[02:42] <firebird619> http://www.educationonline.net/student-debt-by-state/ <---student debt by state.
[02:42] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, !
[02:43] <firebird619> Hey nix_chix0r, how are you?
[02:44] <firebird619> slackytude: Do you notice as well, that with each snapshot, opera seemingly gets a little faster.
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[02:50] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, good
[02:50] <nix_chix0r> you
[02:50] <firebird619> doing excellent, thank you.
[02:51] <firebird619> slackytude: I've also noticed, on osol, opera starts up and performs even better and faster.
[02:53] <slackytude> firebird619, not sure about that, actually. its fast, yes, but did it get faster?
[02:53] <slackytude> couldnt say
[02:54] <firebird619> imo it has, but it is unbelievable on osol.
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[02:54] <The-Croupier> Greetings
[02:54] <firebird619> salutations
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[02:55] <The-Croupier> firebird619, hows it going firebird619
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[02:55] <firebird619> going excellent, thanks ,you?
[02:55] <slacks21> quick question.  when I run crontab -e and create a new scheduled run, I don't see it when I run crontab -e again or try to list current jobs
[02:56] <slacks21> someone mind enlightening me?
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[02:56] <slackytude> firebird619, but browsing with visual tabs is fun!
[02:56] <slackytude> firebird619, not sure it will be usefull on me laptop tho
[02:57] <firebird619> slackytude: yeah, it's a lot of fun, and easier to just look at that and see what a tab is, instead of just going by name.
[02:57] <slackytude> yeah, same here
[02:57] <firebird619> on a laptop, it may not  be as nice beings there's a smaller screen, it does take up some space.
[02:58] <slacks21> nobody else has had issues with this?  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/crontab-problem-in-slackware-10.2-601740/
[02:59] <slacks21> sounds kind of like what's happening.  I changed my EDITOR and VISUAL env. vars to emacs
[02:59] <The-Croupier> guys, i need a mirror install ftp for current...
[02:59] <slacks21> any reason that would cause problem?
[02:59] <firebird619> slacks21: you may get further by being patient and waiting for someone to come along and help you. It could just be that nobody is around that knows about it right now.
[02:59] <The-Croupier> i need to try that on my laptop... formatted last night ;)
[02:59] <nix_chix0r> the 911 people are gona get sick of me calling them lol
[02:59] <slacks21> firebird619: it was just a question
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[02:59] <slacks21> is that not what irc is for in part?
[03:00] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: you're harassing 911? :P
[03:00] <nix_chix0r> on the way home from work on friday i called 911 because there was a sports car in front of us swerving all over and in the non passing lane.
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[03:00] <nix_chix0r> and today i was leaving for work and i smelled gas and my neighbors have prohpane i have fuel oil so i thought their tank was leaking and i call and she goes "no the mine blew a gas line the winds moving it"
[03:01] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: Well, it's better to be safe than sorry.
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[03:01] <nix_chix0r> that's how i feel. he gives me shit because i'm always calling on stuff like that
[03:02] <nix_chix0r> maybe it's me but , i don't want to get into an accident on the road because some drunkass is swerving. i have a kid in the car
[03:02] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: At least you're not calling and complaining that they got your order wrong at McDonalds or Subway, or are you? :P
[03:02] <nix_chix0r> fucking mcdonalds today didnt give me my bbq sauce:(
[03:02] <nix_chix0r> she confirmed it twice stupid woman
[03:03] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: It's not just you, that's a good way to think imo, I'd probably call that in to.
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[03:03] <superGear> should have spoken spanish
[03:03] <nix_chix0r> yeah. oh and i dont have to work friday because they are shampooing the carpets the day shift has to work but not me and i get paid for it
[03:03] <nix_chix0r> i'm not spose to tell them cause they'll whine
[03:04] <firebird619> superGear: si senor. :P
[03:04] <nix_chix0r> there are benifits for working nights such as i wear my slippers at work kick off the heels. i listen to music at my desk, it's chilled
[03:04] <firebird619> err, or is it ce? Ah heck I don't know, you get the point.
[03:04] <nix_chix0r> oh and you get paid more
[03:04] <nix_chix0r> si^
[03:05] <firebird619> yay, I was right.
[03:05] Action: firebird619 dances
[03:05] <nix_chix0r> i have spanish, italian, german, dutch, french, norwegian under my belt
[03:05] Action: The-Croupier cannot remember that osuol.org something mirror... it was nice that one, does anyone remember it?
[03:05] <firebird619> wow, you're a worldly woman huh? :P
[03:06] <nix_chix0r> lived in europe my whole life damn near
[03:06] <nix_chix0r> didnt move to mn till 2004
[03:06] <firebird619> The-Croupier: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/
[03:06] <superGear> http://osuosl.org/
[03:06] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: oh cool, I didn't know that.
[03:07] <The-Croupier> thanks gus
[03:07] <superGear> http://slackware.osuosl.org/
[03:07] <firebird619> superGear: he wanted ftp.
[03:07] <superGear> well he got http too
[03:07] <firebird619> lol
[03:08] <firebird619> never hurts to have both.
[03:08] <superGear> depending what's he using it for
[03:08] Action: The-Croupier in dilema... 64 one or normal current
[03:08] <firebird619> he wants to mirror -current
[03:08] <superGear> could have looked in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors
[03:08] <The-Croupier> superGear, i dont have linux atm
[03:09] <superGear> SHAME on YOU
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[03:09] <The-Croupier> superGear, read above :P
[03:09] <superGear> get 32bit
[03:09] <superGear> 64 ain't ready for everybody yo
[03:09] <The-Croupier> laptop is small, dont think it will handle 64bit
[03:09] <superGear> tho it is nice
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[03:10] <The-Croupier> ill try it, i backuped all my files..;) nothing to loose ;)
[03:10] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: where at in Europe, if I may ask? You've lived in each of the places you know the language of (Italy, Germany, France, etc.)?
[03:11] <nix_chix0r> i'm dual citizen to germany, i lived in belgium and italy. so i traveled all around when i was a teenager with my own money heh
[03:11] <firebird619> nice
[03:11] <nix_chix0r> i'd tell my mom at 16 years old i'm takin off for the weeken to holland and she'd have to say ok because the legal age was 16
[03:11] <superGear> http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=da2799f4f4b2bc449d0f15f6230e7b59887cf775 slackware64 iso
[03:12] <Ficthe> comment parlez-vous francais?
[03:12] <nix_chix0r> i went to russia and thailand and i can't say i'd go back
[03:12] <nix_chix0r> Ficthe, oui
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[03:13] <Ficthe> I don't think you speak French o.0
[03:13] <Ficthe> I informally asked how well you speak French.. and you tell me 'yes'?
[03:13] <nix_chix0r> i finally got the keyboard from amazon
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[03:13] <nix_chix0r> Ficthe, voulez vous mange le petite bebe en chocolate. se soir?
[03:14] <Ficthe> und deutsch, wie gut sprechen sie deutsch?
[03:14] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: How long did that take? As bad as Old Navy?
[03:14] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, no ups put it in my mailbox
[03:14] <nix_chix0r> that never happens. at first they said they tried to deliver to me in the afternoon and i was home and neve saw a truck pull up
[03:15] <firebird619> that's odd, usually they leave stuff on the step.
[03:15] <nix_chix0r> i know heh
[03:15] <nix_chix0r> they said they left a note and there was none
[03:15] <nix_chix0r> and then today it said it delivered at 1130am and i'm like uh no i was home till 240
[03:16] <slackmagic> I should polish up my French skills again, but I myself, know quite a few languages :)
[03:16] <slackmagic> and I think it's manger and not "mange"
[03:16] <nix_chix0r> it's been a while since i got to use it. minnesotans don't speak much other than bollocks
[03:16] <slackmagic> nix_chix0r: :P
[03:16] <firebird619> slackmagic: just go get Rosetta Stone. :P
[03:16] <nix_chix0r> slackmagic, no i think it's mange. manger is used singular
[03:17] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, put on some 50cent fosho
[03:17] <antiwire> you all sound like this to me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbs64GvGgPU
[03:17] <nix_chix0r> i just realise how he really is only good as a back up singer in a song
[03:17] <slackmagic> firebird619: or I just speak to my cousins who're living in France through Skype or something for the next few weeks; that should bring it back up to par too
[03:17] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: haha, yeah.
[03:17] <nix_chix0r> his actual albums are retarted
[03:17] <nix_chix0r> -t
[03:17] <firebird619> slackytude: that works.
[03:18] <firebird619> err. slackmagic
[03:18] <nix_chix0r> i've been on this rap thing
[03:18] <slackmagic> Voulez-vous manger
[03:18] <slackytude> firebird619, whut? oh
[03:18] <firebird619> tab completion fail.
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[03:18] <firebird619> slackytude: haha, sorry.
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[03:20] <antiwire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-8GVi2Fdi4
[03:20] <antiwire> lol
[03:20] <antiwire> don't we wish
[03:21] <antiwire> "that's right foo, I busted out the USB"
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[03:23] <yosii> LOL
[03:23] <slackmagic> and I do read German news every day on the internet so I don't forget, but verbally it's slowly fading from my tongue... [was born and raised in Austria/Vienna - enjoyed my 19 years there before I moved here to TX]. I wish I'd know some programming languages too though rofl
[03:24] <nix_chix0r> lol antiwire  the keyboard i bought has a sticker on it saying it's vista compatible
[03:24] <nix_chix0r> its usb
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[03:24] <The-Croupier> antiwire, lol
[03:25] <yosii> nix_chix0r, that's when you buy my stickers... "bitch, it works with linux"
[03:26] <nix_chix0r> ha
[03:27] <yosii> note to self...make stickers with that slogan
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[03:45] <reallove> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/99aug/19990815.html
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[04:00] <firebird619> Later everyone. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Take care. :)
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[04:22] <compl3x> Morning slackers
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[04:27] <frullet> evening
[04:27] <compl3x> Sup frullet ?
[04:28] <frullet> being unmotivated, yourself?
[04:28] <compl3x> Hmm could say the same
[04:32] <Zordrak> sup foos
[04:33] <compl3x> Morning Zordrak
[04:33] <frullet> ceiling foo
[04:33] <compl3x> Zordrak: im still using kde 4 :p
[04:34] <slava_dp> compl3x, that's a feat :-}
[04:34] <frullet> compl3x: *shuns* s/kde4/fluxbox/;
[04:35] <compl3x> frullet: I was loving fluxbox - moved on - my pc is too powerful to be running fluxbox- my gtx260 felt waisted.
[04:35] <alisonken1noc> waisted, huh? as in waist coat?
[04:35] <alisonken1noc> :)
[04:35] <slava_dp> :)
[04:35] <compl3x> as in unused
[04:36] <alisonken1noc> that would be wasted - not to be confused with state of mind after toking several round objects with funny green stuff inside
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[04:39] <slava_dp> there is also "wested" - as in wild wild west :)
[04:40] <slava_dp> "my gtx260 felt wested" :)
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[04:44] <Zordrak> compl3x: \o/
[04:45] <Zordrak> wait.. what?
[04:45] <compl3x> eh?
[04:46] <Zordrak> orite .. sorry... no coffee yet
[04:46] Action: compl3x just had on
[04:46] <compl3x> one*
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[04:48] <maxiiis> hi! I've two network interfaces (one with eth0, eth0:1 (with different IP addreses each) for WAN, second eth1 for LAN). By default everything from eth1 masquerades through eth0, but now I need one exact IP (lets say 192.168.0.2) to be routed thourgh eth0:1. Ideas?
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[04:51] <bryanlharris_> Is there an expected date when slackware 13 will come out?
[04:51] <Zordrak> bryanlharris_: no
[04:52] <Zordrak> no
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[04:52] <bryanlharris_> oh
[04:52] Action: Zordrak needs coffe before he implodes
[04:52] <Zordrak> compl3x: can you see what i meant about how, even though i was resistant at first, it's actually really elegant and the components work well with each other and it allows you to be very productive
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[04:52] <bryanlharris_> how about a timeframe?  (a year, six months, any estimate)
[04:53] <Zordrak> bryanlharris_: no
[04:53] <bryanlharris_> lol
[04:53] <Zordrak> watch the changelog
[04:53] <bryanlharris_> oh
[04:53] <Zordrak> when theres an RC available it will show there first
[04:53] <bryanlharris_> wait where is that, under news?
[04:53] <Zordrak> a release will arrive shortly after
[04:53] <bryanlharris_> oh I see it
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[04:55] <compl3x> Zordrak: Yeah, the productivity really hit me
[04:56] <Zordrak> THANK you
[04:56] <Zordrak> thank christ it's not just me!
[04:56] <compl3x> Normally id be sitting round for a while not doing much - since i started using kde4 its just easier to get in the motion of doing something
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[04:57] <Zordrak> are you using the grid and app display shortcuts?
[04:58] <compl3x> grid and app display?
[04:58] <compl3x> Im using folderview for the desktop if thats what you mean
[04:59] <Zordrak> for me - mouse top left gives me 9x9 selectable grid of desktops and right click and drag give you easy access to put s-tuff where you want it, and mouse top-right gives me a semi-tiled view of all open windows on all desktops
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[05:01] <compl3x> Zordrak: I only have top left shows me my windows
[05:01] <Zordrak> go configging till your heart runs dry :)
[05:02] <compl3x> Zordrak: I dont like the mouse gesture support:p
[05:02] <Zordrak> its not gestures
[05:02] <compl3x> Spins me out when im half a sleep
[05:02] <Zordrak> not as i understand them
[05:02] <Zordrak> but all i can say is it seriously hellps me
[05:03] <Zordrak> i find myself on a windows box going to the top right to switch desktops and getting annoyed when it doesnt work
[05:03] <compl3x> Zordrak: feels like a lot of its from compiz...
[05:03] <Zordrak> some of the ideas are... but its implemented in a way that works
[05:03] <compl3x> yeah
[05:03] <compl3x> Wobbly windows!
[05:03] <Zordrak> same as the fact that a lot of KDE is from mindows
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[05:07] <headbrake> hi all. sorry for the interruption. anyone know ho to get back to X after ctrl+alt+F1?
[05:08] <headbrake> *how
[05:08] <compl3x> startx
[05:08] <compl3x> Oh
[05:08] <compl3x> dw
[05:08] <Zordrak> ctrl-alt-f7
[05:08] <compl3x> ++
[05:08] <Zordrak> alt-f7 acshually
[05:09] <headbrake> ok THX!
[05:09] <headbrake> now i try
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[05:09] <headbrake> alt+f7 works.
[05:09] <headbrake> thx
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[05:11] <compl3x> Zordrak: what do you think of Dolphin?
[05:11] <Zordrak> i think it's the nuts
[05:11] <compl3x> out of anything - that increased my productivity by miles - over than file moving/copying
[05:11] <compl3x> other than*
[05:12] <Zordrak> s/the nuts/the dogs bollocks/g   (the nuts is a poker term)
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[05:12] <compl3x> haha
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[05:22] <slava_dp> Dolphin is one of the best improvements over kde3. Did not like konqueror as a file manager at all.
[05:22] <Zordrak> yes
[05:22] <Zordrak> there are so many improvements
[05:23] <Zordrak> as i said a few months ago.. i hated kde3 and would only use fluxbox. Now I use fluxbox as my small-env wm, but kde4 on my work desktop
[05:23] <Zordrak> it rawks
[05:24] <Kaapa> I think it's missing some basic stuff I'm used for ages
[05:24] <Kaapa> like not being able to slide the mouse to the edge of the screen and switch virtual windows
[05:25] <Kaapa> anyway, I'm a fvwm(-crystal) user, so kde isn't what I'm looking for anyway
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[05:31] <Zordrak> Kaapa: O_o
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[05:36] <Zordrak> God I love debugging "could not complete SSL handshake" messages from nagios nrpe.... CHIN DIESEL
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[05:38] <bryanlharris_> hrm what does that mean?
[05:38] <bryanlharris_> is it expired or something?
[05:38] <Zordrak> >.<
[05:39] <sh0ne>  Hi, can someone tell me what CE means in this sentence: "Created by WiMedia  members from leading PC, CE, mobile device and semiconductor companies, these specifications set the groundwork for enabling short range multimedia file transfers at data rates up to 480Mbps that operate  in  the UWB  spectrum of 3.1  to 10.6 GHz." I know that this is not channel for this kind of questions, I'm sorry, but I really need help. Thank you in advance.
[05:39] <bryanlharris_> I know I've seen that somewhere before
[05:40] <Zordrak> sh0ne: http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+ce
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[05:40] <sh0ne> Zordrak: Thank you, but is CE means just Windows CE, or is it more general acronym?
[05:40] <Zordrak> general
[05:41] <Zordrak> that l/ink is a pointer to more information
[05:42] <sh0ne> Zordrak: ooouuh, thanx, CE means Consumer Electronics :)
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[06:35] <slackytude> well, that sucks
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[06:49] <stybla> slackytude: what doesn't?
[06:49] <slackytude> true
[06:57] <theblackbox> is there a way to stop mouse clicks transferring text to a console window? dunno why it's started doing it
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[06:57] <theblackbox> (happens on k/b d-pad too)
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[07:03] <theblackbox> =S is it possible to wget from sourceforge? I'm working on a remote server and need to grab some source but can't see a way of doing it (I normally just get into the mirrors list and choose one closest to the server)
[07:04] <Zordrak> downloads.sourceforge.net/<project>/file.ext
[07:08] <theblackbox> nice one Zordrak - I'll have to remember that one
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[07:18] <Bold`> hello..
[07:19] <xMDKx> morning
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[07:20] <Bold`> I've installed SW 12.2, and trying to update mozilla so it plays flash sites, however, I am not able to get flash installed correctly, even though I downloaded it from adove as a tar ball.. by google found some websites.. but that were not much of help..
[07:20] <Bold`> any official site to download packages for slack ? this is really new to me :)
[07:21] <Zordrak> theres nothing difficult about it... put libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and restart firefox
[07:21] <Zordrak> the adobe installer will even do it for you
[07:22] <Bold`> it kept complaining that I need to update glib.. which I couldnt
[07:22] <Zordrak> which version did you download?
[07:22] <Bold`> latest
[07:22] <Zordrak> which variant?
[07:23] <Bold`> I am not on the machine at the moment.. was looking for a URL or a hint..
[07:23] <Zordrak> >.<
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[07:23] <Bold`> however, all what I didn was installing slack from the CD.. 12.2, thats all
[07:23] <Bold`> I didnt modify anything whatsoever
[07:24] <Zordrak> put libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and restart firefox
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[07:24] <Bold`> will do.. plz excuse me asking how did you get that info.. I dont want to keep in and out looking for ready answers :)
[07:25] <Bold`> package management under slack doesnt seem strait forward.. I am coming from freebsd environment if we call *nix
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[07:26] <Bold`> its totally different
[07:26] <Zordrak> package management in slackware is the most simple of any
[07:26] <Zordrak> i found the information by reading the documentation
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[07:27] <Zordrak> the only file in the package is libflashplayer.so and mozilla plugins live in /usr/lib/mozilla
[07:27] <alisonken1noc> slackware package management is straightforward - just a tarball with an extra /install directory for the text file and a doinst.sh script for post install processing. if you want to see what was installed, it creates a text file in /var/log/packages with the name of the package. contents are the first 10-15 lines are what the package is and the rest is the files that were installed
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[07:27] <alisonken1noc> Bold`: ^^^^ for you
[07:28] <Bold`> alisonken1noc, I could figure :)
[07:29] <Bold`> thats its to me..
[07:29] <Bold`> any site where you download ready packages ?
[07:29] <alisonken1noc> easier than keeping a database the way rpm's do
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[07:29] <Bold`> forget RPM.. thats not what I am looking for
[07:30] <Zordrak> Bold`: Look at the URLs in the topic
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[07:30] <alisonken1noc> if it's not part of official slackware cd/dvd, then slackbuilds.org has the slackbuilds to create the package. that's what most of us do
[07:30] <Zordrak> Bold`: ESPECIALLY http://www.slackbuilds.org
[07:30] <Zordrak> Bold`: DO NOT install 3rd party packages that you havent built
[07:31] <Bold`> ok
[07:32] <Bold`> what about handling dependencies ?
[07:32] <alisonken1noc> if the program you're looking for isn't there, then find the source and create a slackbuild for it :)
[07:32] <Bold`> sorry if I keep asking..
[07:32] <alisonken1noc> since it's pretty much just a bash script, it's pretty easy - just follow how other slackbuilds do it
[07:33] <alisonken1noc> another good slackbuild repository is www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds
[07:33] <Zordrak> Bold`: if a dependency is mentioned for a slackbuild it should be available on slackbuilds.. install it first
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[07:34] <Bold`> hmmm.. so unlike make install clean, I need to do it manually..
[07:34] <Bold`> thats gonna be long way if I install something as huge as gnome :)
[07:34] <alisonken1noc> an easy way to work with slackbuilds.org is use sbopkg - try www.sbopkg.org , install sbopkg, possibly make a few tweaks to the config file, then run it
[07:35] <Bold`> okik
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[07:35] <Bold`> no wonder its clean.. you install what YOU want..
[07:35] <Bold`> thats why its fast !
[07:36] <alisonken1noc> with slackware64 getting official sanction at the next release (v13.0), there's a minor transition phase for the slackbuilds to compile as 64bit, but it's coming along nicely
[07:36] <alisonken1noc> that's why most of us here prefer slackware
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[07:37] <alisonken1noc> it's also possible to run -current on a 486 if you're judicious about what you install as well
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[07:37] <apoca_> hi there
[07:37] <alisonken1noc> hey there
[07:38] <Bold`> I have tried many distros.. name whatever, slack was different really.. its FAST.. clean.. I will need some time to have hands on experience.. packages as a start
[07:38] <fatherx> hello, I would like to know if its possible to do a network installation with a Broadcom ethernet card?
[07:38] <alisonken1noc> Bold`: the other nice thing about slackware package management, you can run the ncurses version in a shell
[07:38] <apoca_> can someone tell howto install 'lpr' in slackware?
[07:38] <apoca_> I can't find a package or something
[07:39] <alisonken1noc> apoca_: slackware used cups - look at the cups package for lpr - otherwise you may have to do some digging
[07:39] <apoca_> I don't want to use cups :/
[07:39] <Bold`> thanks for the info guys.. alisonken1noc, Zordrak
[07:40] <alisonken1noc> apoca_: what version of slackware are you running?
[07:40] <alisonken1noc> Bold`: np
[07:40] <Bold`> cheers !
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[07:40] <Zordrak> apoca_: lpr is part of slack
[07:41] <apoca_> alisonken1noc: I'm running 12.2
[07:41] <Zordrak> did you not do a full install?
[07:41] <fatherx> can anyone point me in the right direction?
[07:41] <apoca_> Zordrak: no
[07:41] <alisonken1noc> Zordrak: I believe he want's the old bsd lpr package, not the cups lpr package
[07:41] <apoca_> yup, right!
[07:41] <Zordrak> fatherx: theres no reason you shouldnt be able to
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[07:42] <alisonken1noc> apoca_: you can look in /pasture for the lprng toolkit
[07:42] <alisonken1noc> it's in pasture for a reason, though
[07:42] <fatherx> Zordrak: thank you
[07:43] <fatherx> do you know if the "modprobe b44" will do the trick to load the module?
[07:43] <apoca_> ok, I'll have a look
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[07:43] <Zordrak> it depends
[07:43] <alisonken1noc> fatherx: broadcomm has a couple of drivers depending on the chipset
[07:44] <Zordrak> but the slackware installer uses a huge kernel that probably has the driver you need built in
[07:44] <alisonken1noc> but if the driver is in the kernel, network installs can be done
[07:44] <alisonken1noc> optionally, slap in a supported card in an expansion slot and go from there
[07:45] <fatherx> how can I check if the driver is in the kernel?
[07:45] <Zordrak> just try it
[07:45] <Zordrak> boot the installer and go through network install .. if it works it works
[07:45] <Zordrak> it probably will
[07:45] <Zordrak> almosnt certainly
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[07:46] <fatherx> well, if im not doing something wrong, it says my network card is not detected.
[07:46] <Zordrak> ok
[07:47] <fatherx> im using the default kernel image if im not mistaken.
[07:47] <Zordrak> whats the lspci output for the card?
[07:47] <fatherx> should I use a diferent one?
[07:47] <Zordrak> no the default is right
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[07:48] <apoca_> alisonken1noc: I found it =) thanks you for the hint
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[07:48] <fatherx> Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
[07:48] <alisonken1noc> apoca_: np - just keep in mind it's in pasture, so there's a good chance that it may not make it past the current version
[07:49] <Zordrak> result of modprobe b44?
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[07:50] <fatherx> have not tried yet. will come back to let you know, thanks
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[08:06] <fatherx> hi again, "modprobe b44" did the trick, thank you very  much.
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[08:07] <alisonken1noc> glad to hear that
[08:10] <ananke> ick, that nic/driver combination can result in some god aweful issues on linux
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[08:16] <Zordrak> damn symbian has no openvpn port
[08:18] <NaCl> that would be interesting...
[08:20] <Zordrak> would be perfect and afaik totally doable
[08:21] <NaCl> Should be doable.
[08:22] <alisonken1noc> android?
[08:22] <Zordrak> meh
[08:22] <Zordrak> it aint slack :)
[08:22] <alisonken1noc> true :)
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[09:09] <Dominian> alright...
[09:09] <Dominian> been researching this and haven't found a viable "solution" at least not one that I'm recognizing very well..
[09:09] <Dominian> I want to list the permissions for all directories and files etc.. into a text file...
[09:10] <Dominian> The reason for this is.. if I have to move my VPS .. the backups are being pushed via rsync over ssh.. so they lose their perms.. I need to have the permissions layout somewhere that I can "look" easily :)
[09:10] Action: Zordrak waits for the next line before suggesting the obviou
[09:10] <Dominian> Yeah.. most of the time it is obvious and I miss it completely...
[09:10] <Dominian> probably something with find / -perm or something stupid
[09:11] <Zordrak> wess then... ls -laR > files
[09:11] <thrice`> ls -lAR /
[09:11] <Dominian> argh
[09:12] <Dominian> man page fail on my part
[09:12] <Dominian> thanks guys
[09:12] <Zordrak> np
[09:12] <Dominian> running now..
[09:14] <jumperbo1> Dominian: rdiff-backup uses the rsync algorithm and stores information about ownership & permissions
[09:14] <Dominian> I'll remove all the "junk" from it
[09:14] <Dominian> wtf is rdiff-backup?
[09:14] <Dominian> and does it preserve those over ssh?
[09:14] <jumperbo1> it's a backup tool
[09:14] <jumperbo1> yes, works over ssh
[09:14] <Dominian> if you rsync on the same machine.. it'll keep perms just fine.
[09:15] <Dominian> bah.. I'm not switching to something else just to preserve for now.. this ls will work fine for what I need :P
[09:15] <Dominian> thanks for the info though
[09:15] <jumperbo1> I use rdiff-backup for backup and migrating whole servers
[09:15] Action: Dominian nods
[09:15] <Dominian> reading now
[09:16] <jumperbo1> another option is duplicity (same author) but it isn't as well suited for unattended backups
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[09:16] <jumperbo1> however, duplicity encrypts everything, so you can back up to untrusted hosts (via ftp, s3, ssh, etc.)
[09:17] <Dominian> yah
[09:17] <Dominian> Now.. how does it preserve permissions over a remote backup is my question.. if its using the rsync algorythm...
[09:17] <jumperbo1> metadata
[09:18] <Dominian> ahh
[09:18] <Dominian> wonder why rsync fails in that sense then
[09:18] <jumperbo1> is it ownership or permissions you're losing?
[09:19] <jumperbo1> i never have a problem when rsyncing my web sites to another host
[09:19] <jumperbo1> rsync -avz --exclude '*.swp' --delete site/ $(WEBUSER)@$(WEBHOST):site/
[09:19] <Dominian> jumperbo1: Yeah, but you're probably rsyncing as the same user as your pushing to?
[09:20] <Zordrak> lastlog unixfool
[09:20] <thrice`> or use tar ;)
[09:20] <Zordrak> err whoops
[09:20] <jumperbo1> no, i set it as a variable in my Makefile
[09:20] <Dominian> like.. for this.. I have root acces.. pushing to a box I have a normal user account on.. I'm losing perms because of the account on the remote end I'm pushing the backups to
[09:20] <jumperbo1> rsync -avz works for me
[09:20] <Dominian> thrice`: Uhh 3.3GB of data in a tar file.. every night?  don't think so
[09:20] <Dominian> jumperbo1: hrm..
[09:20] <jumperbo1> rsync -avz user@host:dir/
[09:20] <Dominian> I'll take a look maybe I'm missing something
[09:20] <Zordrak> rsync -ave ssh ftw :)
[09:20] <thrice`> oh, thought it was 1-time
[09:20] <Dominian> thrice`: no..
[09:21] <Dominian> thrice`: I'm using rsync to do daily pushes of the VPS to a remote dreamhost account that someone provided me
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[09:21] <jumperbo1> rdiff-backup/duplicity do incremental backups, very efficient
[09:21] <jumperbo1> easy as pie restore
[09:21] <Dominian> jumperbo1: rsync does that on it sown...
[09:21] <Dominian> :P
[09:22] <Dominian> hrm
[09:22] <Dominian> -avpz is what I have.
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[09:23] <jumperbo1> Dominian: maybe there's a problem with your umask on the remote machine (just guessing)?
[09:23] <Dominian> jumperbo1: probably.. its a moot point really
[09:23] <jumperbo1> ssh user@host umask
[09:24] <Zordrak> Dominian: FYI with -a, -p is superfluous
[09:24] <Dominian> haha
[09:24] <Dominian> 0002
[09:24] <Dominian> Zordrak: yeah.. I think I added that as a test and forgot to remove it
[09:24] <Zordrak>  /a == -flptgoD
[09:24] Action: Dominian nods
[09:24] <Zordrak> damn dvorak
[09:24] <Zordrak> for posterity:
[09:25] <Zordrak> -a == -rlptgoD
[09:27] <Dominian> as long as I have a backup and a listing of the perms.. I'm fine
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[09:27] <jumperbo1> for each machine, i do three backups with rdiff-backup to: local disk, local dedicated spare disk, remote machine (unattended)
[09:28] <jumperbo1> then i forget about it until i need it :)
[09:28] <jumperbo1> i push as root to a remote unpriviliged user using a public key, works great
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[09:32] <Anakin> hello, can anyone tell me where are the qt header files located ?
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[09:35] <Zordrak> /usr/include iirc
[09:35] <kunal113> hey. are we guys pro android or anti?
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[09:35] <Zordrak> kunal113: neither
[09:36] <kunal113> dont care?
[09:36] <Zordrak> pretty much
[09:36] <kunal113> is there any phone thats slackware based
[09:36] <kunal113> that slackware recommends?
[09:36] <Zordrak> i wish
[09:36] <straterra> Phone?
[09:36] <kunal113> yes
[09:36] <kunal113> mobile phone
[09:36] <straterra> Why would you want Slackware on a phone?
[09:36] <Zordrak> straterra: openvpn for a start
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[09:37] <straterra> You..do know that Linux isn't the best OS for everything, right?
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[09:37] <kunal113> they are making android that a linux based phone
[09:37] <kunal113> there is the motroloa a1600 which was a fantastic linux based phone
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[09:37] <straterra> Modern linux is quite a bit heavier than what it used to be
[09:37] <kunal113> motorola
[09:37] <straterra> I just don't see the point of Linux on a phone
[09:38] <Zordrak> straterra: saves porting everything to a new platform
[09:38] <straterra> What needs porting?
[09:38] <straterra> And..it IS going to be a different platform
[09:38] <kunal113> i mean i am looking for a phone that can sync my contacts
[09:38] <kunal113> my emails
[09:39] <kunal113> browse folders on the go.
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[09:39] <kunal113> remote accessing.
[09:39] <straterra> Any smartphone from the last..7 years or so does that easily.
[09:39] <kunal113> teamspeak
[09:39] <straterra> Teamspeak...
[09:39] <mbohun> straterra: you have no idea
[09:39] <kunal113> is there any phone that can teamspeak?
[09:39] <ph|ber> m0o
[09:39] <straterra> You want teamspeak...on your phone?
[09:39] <kunal113> yes
[09:39] <straterra> Why?
[09:39] <kunal113> so that i can use my WLAN
[09:39] <straterra> Just..call the person
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[09:40] <straterra> Do you want skype on it too?
[09:40] <kunal113> yes
[09:40] <straterra> ...
[09:40] <kunal113> i have voip on my phone
[09:40] <straterra> You have a PHONE
[09:40] <kunal113> my phone can support voip but its costs money
[09:40] <kunal113> its not free
[09:40] <kunal113> but teamspeak would be fantastic!!!
[09:40] <straterra> Let me say that again..
[09:40] <straterra> YOU HAVE A PHONE
[09:40] <straterra> Why the hell do you need voip?
[09:40] <straterra> Or skype..or teamspeak
[09:41] <Zordrak> straterra: the idea is simply to provide a netbook in an even smalle package
[09:41] <straterra> That's the point of the phone part
[09:41] <kunal113> communicate?
[09:41] <Zordrak> straterra: cost
[09:41] <Zordrak> phone calls cost money
[09:41] <straterra> Cost? You are still going to pay for the extra data and/or VOIP functionality
[09:41] <kunal113> yes.
[09:41] <kunal113> not for teamspeak
[09:41] <kunal113> less for voip though
[09:41] <ananke> straterra : not if you use wifi
[09:41] <Zordrak> straterra: use of Wifi means no extra cost and many data plans for phones are flat rate too
[09:42] <gnubien> kunal113:  who's your voip provider?
[09:42] <Zordrak> i paf £7.50/mo for my data
[09:42] <kunal113> there we go.
[09:42] <straterra> Also, good luck finding a s/390, x86, or x86_64 phone to run Slackware
[09:42] <kunal113> i dont have a good voip provider
[09:42] <kunal113> any commendation gnubien?
[09:42] <kunal113> recommendation
[09:42] <straterra> Zordrak: Uhm..you have to pay for internet access
[09:42] <Zordrak> straterra: not per GB i dont
[09:42] <straterra> so? The cost is still there
[09:42] <gnubien> kunal113: you have to do alot of searching to find a good voip provider
[09:42] <straterra> I don't pay per GB for data on my phone
[09:42] <thrice`> armedslack is an official port now, remember ;)
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[09:42] <ananke> gnubien : btw, got that alsa issue solved. now all my sound goes out the spdif
[09:43] <kunal113> gnubien: thats the problem
[09:43] <straterra> thrice`: Is that right?
[09:43] <kunal113> gnubien: alot of time its resellers
[09:43] <Zordrak> yeah.. but i already HAVE it... theres no point in paying to make a call if i already have the service needed to make that call without extra cost
[09:43] <kunal113> of large voip companies
[09:43] <mbohun> straterra: " s/390, x86, or x86_64" - that is your nonsense, a nice embedded distro + framebuffer, etc.
[09:43] <gnubien> ananke: cool, what fixed it, an asoundrc?
[09:43] <Zordrak> straterra: back to classic straterra i see
[09:43] <straterra> mbohun: Can you say that again? I didn't understand that sentence
[09:43] <kunal113> ok ok. which phone do you use Zordrak?
[09:43] <Dominian> Vonage
[09:43] <straterra> Zordrak: Why? Because I think the idea of using teamspeak on a fucking PHONE is retarded?
[09:43] <ananke> gnubien : yep. the machine is turned off, so i don't have it now, but it simply directed the default pcm to spdif, and specified the sample rate to be 48khz
[09:44] <gnubien> kunal113: choice of voip provider depends on your needs, like number of calls you make, etc
[09:44] <kunal113> which phone do you use straterra/
[09:44] <Zordrak> Nokia E90 Communicator
[09:44] <straterra> I have a Treo 700P
[09:44] <ananke> straterra : no need to curse
[09:44] <kunal113> Zordrak: do you sync it with your system?
[09:44] <gnubien> ananke: ok, fairly easy fix
[09:44] <kunal113> straterra: do you sync it?
[09:44] <Zordrak> straterra: everyone else can see the benefit of voip on a phone.. you are arguing with no actual point
[09:44] <straterra> ananke: I know there isn't...I just get annoyed that every time I don't allign myself with Zordrak, I'm labeled a troll/argumentative
[09:44] <Zordrak> kunal113: no
[09:44] <straterra> kunal113: Yes..
[09:45] <straterra> kunal113: Like I said..every smart phone from the last 7 years or so can
[09:45] <mbohun> straterra: no one was talking about " s/390, x86, or x86_64 phone to run Slackware"
[09:45] <kunal113> even with slackware?
[09:45] <straterra> mbohun: He wanted a mobile phone to run Slackware
[09:45] <ananke> gnubien : now all i have left is to see if i can upconvert with alsa and dmix from 2 channel to 5.1, and see if it's any better than what my receiver can do
[09:45] <straterra> kunal113: Yes..
[09:45] <kunal113> Starchaser: i dont want to run slackware on a phone
[09:45] <kunal113> i just want a phone that is highly compatible with slackware
[09:45] <straterra> 09:36 < kunal113> is there any phone thats slackware based
[09:45] <straterra> 09:36 < kunal113> that slackware recommends?
[09:45] <gnubien> ananke: upmix analog or spdif?
[09:46] <kunal113> it would be stupid to type commands for hrs on thumb boards
[09:46] <kunal113> yes. based
[09:46] <kunal113> but not running.
[09:46] <straterra> ...
[09:46] <gnubien> ananke: analog upmix work sheet at http://home.roadrunner.com/~infofiles/asoundrc.ttable
[09:46] <straterra> So, a phone running Slax?
[09:46] <mbohun> straterra: look i don't like you type, stop lying and read what you wrote: <straterra> I just don't see the point of Linux on a phone
[09:46] <mbohun> your type
[09:46] <straterra> mbohun: You don't like my type? What are you talking about?
[09:46] <kunal113> ok
[09:47] <kunal113> lets stop aruging pointlessly
[09:47] <straterra> He asked about Linux...ON A PHONE
[09:47] <mbohun> :-)
[09:47] <kunal113> its just going nowhere
[09:47] <straterra> He asked about Slackware ON A PHONE
[09:47] <Zordrak> my phone,s keyboard is a PROPER qwerty with individual keys for things like | & \ thats why i got it.. that and it has an 800px wide screen... i use PuTTY on it a LOT
[09:47] <kunal113> ok ok. my fault
[09:47] <straterra> I'm not lying, ffs
[09:47] <kunal113> sorry
[09:47] <straterra> kunal113: not your fault
[09:47] <straterra> Not your fault some people can't read
[09:47] <ananke> gnubien : spdif upmix, but i wonder if i can use that as a starting point
[09:47] <kunal113> Zordrak: i want a phone with qwerty on my phone!
[09:47] <mbohun> straterra: you are a troll!
[09:48] <gnubien> ananke read these urls? http://alsa.opensrc.org/DigitalOut http://gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Dolby_Digital_and_DTS
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[09:48] <kunal113> straterra: can your phone do PuTTY?
[09:48] <straterra> mbohun: I'm a troll because I think the idea of Linux on a phone is retarded?
[09:48] <straterra> kunal113: Not PuTTY, but I have an SSH client
[09:48] <mbohun> straterra: exactly
[09:48] <straterra> ...
[09:48] <Dominian> hrm...
[09:48] <Dominian> mobile.noobfarm.org?
[09:48] <Dominian> heh
[09:48] <ananke> gnubien : i think i saw those, but didn't read in depth. i'll have to do it tonight, and experiment more. thank you
[09:48] <kunal113> oh ok.
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[09:48] <straterra> So, am I also a troll for thinking that Linux isn't well suited for everything?
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[09:49] <Dominian> Yeah.. freenode runs on linux.. looks what happens..
[09:49] <mbohun> straterra: pretty much
[09:49] <straterra> ...
[09:49] <straterra> mbohun: You are an idiot. Thank you, come again.
[09:49] <gnubien> ananke: the alsa email forums might be the best place to search/ask
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[09:49] <straterra> Linux doesn't belong on everything.
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[09:49] <straterra> Linux isn't best suited for every workload.
[09:49] <ananke> gnubien : that will be my next step. i don't like to ask for help, until i've done my homework first
[09:49] <straterra> Get over it.
[09:50] <straterra> Nothing is suited to be perfect for every situation.
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[09:50] <Zordrak> straterra: Bottom line is, if my phone was running a linux variant instead of symbian there would be a port of openvpn available and i would be using it right now
[09:50] <mbohun> straterra: troll - keep trolling
[09:50] <straterra> Zordrak: My phone does VPN
[09:50] <gnubien> ananke: ok, search for spdif at the alsa-user email forum
[09:50] <init[1]> hey why ist here is a mass disconnet of users
[09:50] <Zordrak> Open or stupid cisco?
[09:50] <straterra> mbohun: You truley are an idiot.
[09:50] <straterra> Zordrak: Not cisco
[09:51] <init[1]> mbohun: hi
[09:51] <grekkos> kmix master volume doesn't affect the headphones volume???
[09:51] <straterra> mbohun: Linux is not the end all be all...Most of the half way intelligent people left here will admit that.
[09:52] <Zordrak> of course it's not... but i contest that linux on a phone, in principle, is a good thing
[09:52] <mbohun> straterra: you are a troll - let's ask the people - hands up who thinks straterra is a troll
[09:52] <mbohun> me
[09:52] <mbohun> mee too
[09:52] <straterra> ...
[09:52] <mbohun> agreed
[09:52] <Zordrak> straterra: is not a troll
[09:52] <mbohun> :-)
[09:52] <thumbs> mbohun: drop it
[09:52] <Zordrak> straterra: is just seriously argumentative and often contrary
[09:52] <ananke> getting a bit too emotional, that's about it
[09:52] <Zordrak> but not troll category
[09:53] <mbohun> no sense of humor
[09:53] <straterra> I'll agree with you ananke
[09:53] <ananke> mbohun : you're not helping anything here.
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[09:53] <straterra> ananke: Do you use ESX at all?
[09:53] <ananke> straterra : vmware esx? nope.
[09:54] <straterra> Darn
[09:54] <ananke> on a completely unrelated note, my coworker just showed me this beer pong table on craigslist: http://blacksburg.craigslist.org/for/1202581391.html
[09:54] <mbohun> ok, ok - i ignore him from now on, maybe when he gets better manners or at least some Prozac :-)
[09:54] <init[1]> mbohun:
[09:55] <mbohun> init[1]: hey
[09:55] <thumbs> ananke: flashy!
[09:55] <ananke> talk about elaborate
[09:55] <straterra> There's only one problem with beer pong..there's beer :P
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[09:55] <init[1]> hey, right now on only ata :P
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[09:56] <straterra> That is a sexy table though
[09:56] <gnubien> do you have to wear beer goggles to play beer pong? ;)
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[09:57] <straterra> Is that price seriously $250,300 ?
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[09:58] <thrice`> probably 250-300 O.o
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[09:59] <straterra> I'd hope
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[10:01] <mbohun> init[1]: did you fix the .config? or at least got the error message on boot?
[10:02] <init[1]> mbohun: yes i did fix the config with only ata. no error
[10:02] <mbohun> what was the problem?
[10:02] <init[1]> only thing was that , when i was facing problem i ran the Kora's scirpt
[10:02] <init[1]> which showed ata_generic.ko
[10:03] <init[1]> which confuse me .
[10:03] <mbohun> i mean which part wasn't compiled?
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[10:04] <init[1]> sata thing //
[10:04] <init[1]> which said that if i had to used ata
[10:04] <init[1]> i must enable this
[10:04] Nick change: Coolmax89 -> Coolmax
[10:05] <init[1]> mbohun: i disabled the sata thing,now its working perfect
[10:05] <mbohun> aha ok
[10:05] <chopp> #23 ftw
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[10:06] <init[1]> mbohun: i was really carried away by what chopp said .
[10:06] <init[1]> chopp: which my kernel dont work , what else can i do ?
[10:06] <init[1]> *if
[10:07] <mbohun> i don't remember what did chopp say?
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[10:07] <init[1]> first of all i just exported by 27.7 kernel .config to 29.4
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[10:07] <init[1]> after compilation the thing wont work
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[10:07] <Bold`> Quick question, how to check whats installed on slack 12.2 system ? I mean, how to list the installed packages, and their dependencies
[10:08] <mbohun> pkgtool
[10:08] <init[1]> Bold`: depedencies are withing your head
[10:08] <mbohun> or /var/log/packages
[10:08] <init[1]> i mean you should know it
[10:08] <Bold`> ok
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[10:08] <Bold`> thanks
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[10:17] <grekkos> is it terribly difficult to upgrade my kde3.5 to 4.x?
[10:18] <grekkos> I thought that for a while slackware came with kde4
[10:18] <Zordrak> grekkos: slackware-current has KDE4
[10:19] <Zordrak> slackware 13 WILL have kde4
[10:19] <Zordrak> slackware 12.2 and earlier have kde3
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[10:19] <init[1]> Zordrak: if i plan to install any thing form current should i change by glibc?
[10:19] <init[1]> the docs says so
[10:19] <Zordrak> init[1]: do not install -current packages into 12.2 and earlier
[10:20] <NaCl> init[1]: if you want to install stuff from -current, you probably should install -current
[10:20] <Zordrak> use the slackbuild to build it for your environment
[10:20] <grekkos> hmm
[10:20] <init[1]> NaCl: Zordrak got it but if grekkos goes for an upgrade he might mess things up
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[10:20] <grekkos> not sure which version of slack i installed on here
[10:20] <Zordrak> grekkos: if you want KDE4 *AND* know waht you are doing then use slackware-current, otherwise wait for slackware 13
[10:21] <init[1]> grekkos: cat /etc/slackware-version
[10:21] <grekkos> thanks, init[1] i knew it was somewhere in here :D
[10:21] <grekkos> 12.2
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[10:22] <NaCl> That quit message looks weird...
[10:22] <grekkos> I could install to an external drive to test it out i guess
[10:22] <grekkos> it looks like it's no latin-1 encoding
[10:23] <init[1]> NaCl: i think that is russian
[10:23] <init[1]> is it so?
[10:23] <init[1]> some language i have seem it some where
[10:23] <grekkos> I am guessing my client doesn't support unicode
[10:23] <grekkos> I got some ???
[10:23] <NaCl> init[1]: I'm in putty right now, so I really can't tell
[10:23] <Zordrak> usually russian
[10:24] <grekkos> it could be cyrillic
[10:24] <grekkos> i can't see it
[10:24] Nick change: A_666_A -> sidmario
[10:24] <C00re> or japaneese
[10:24] <C00re> or whatever
[10:24] <Zordrak> It IS russian
[10:24] <grekkos> maybe my konsole isn't set to unicode... does konsole support unicode?
[10:24] <init[1]> C00re: its not jjap
[10:24] <C00re> :D
[10:24] <init[1]> how can you ..
[10:24] <init[1]> :P
[10:24] <C00re> whichever.. it just looked ugly    has quit ["????? ? ???? ?? ???? ??????, ??? ?? ??? ????????"]
[10:24] <Zordrak> `whois 80.66.88.130`
[10:25] <Zordrak> Novosibirsk, Russia
[10:25] <init[1]> C00re: i can see the langauge aleast
[10:25] <grekkos> hmm
[10:25] <grekkos> clear
[10:25] <grekkos> oops
[10:25] <NaCl> I get a bunch of other unicode jibberish
[10:26] <grekkos> try pasting it again
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[10:26] <Zordrak> can we let it go?
[10:26] <grekkos> hmm
[10:26] <NaCl> init[1]: yeah
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[10:26] <grekkos> i'm just trying to figure out why i can't see it
[10:26] <Zordrak> cos you dont have support for the charset
[10:26] <grekkos> irssi supports unicode, doesn't it?
[10:26] <C00re> that wasnt unicode
[10:26] <grekkos> oh
[10:26] <NaCl> yes.  you may need to turn it on in konsole
[10:27] <grekkos> what's default in konsole?
[10:27] <grekkos> this is also running in screen I don't know if that has an affect
[10:27] <NaCl> grekkos: it does
[10:27] <grekkos> it's probably screen then
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[10:27] <dios_mio> slack is best
[10:27] <NaCl> grekkos: unicode in screen is enabled with -U
[10:28] <Zordrak> http://irssi.org/documentation/settings
[10:28] <grekkos> NaCl: if i detatch the screen can I reattach with unicode?
[10:28] <dios_mio> I have slack on dual boot, but i use XP most of the timez
[10:28] <Zordrak> ircII/irssi assumes all text is Latin-1
[10:28] <grekkos> ay dios_mio
[10:28] <NaCl> grekkos: I don't think so...
[10:28] <Zordrak> dios_mio: we get it.. you dont have to come in here every day just to say the same thing
[10:28] Action: dios_mio slaps Zordrak around a bit with a large trout
[10:29] <grekkos> guess not
[10:29] <NaCl> Zordrak: unicode usually works fine for me... although this server is running ubuntu
[10:29] <Zordrak> dios_mio: if you are using mIRC I will hurt you
[10:29] <dios_mio> lol
[10:29] <grekkos> haha
[10:29] <NaCl> Zordrak: my thoughts exactly. :P
[10:29] <grekkos> you won't have to that will hurt him over time one way or another
[10:30] <NaCl> I aliased /trout to something like that in my irssi
[10:30] <grekkos> haha
[10:30] <grekkos> I knew a lot of viruses that were mIRC scrips
[10:30] <grekkos> with modified binaries
[10:30] <Zordrak> 15:30:23 [FreeNode] CTCP VERSION reply from dios_mio: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[10:30] <Zordrak> GTFO
[10:30] <grekkos> hah
[10:30] <C00re> lol.
[10:30] <dios_mio> lol what.. it is a good client
[10:32] <dios_mio> !ping
[10:33] <grekkos> mIRC had a lot of terrible security holes, I don't know abou now
[10:33] <NaCl> I've heard similar things about BX
[10:34] <dios_mio> if you dont accept files from drones there will be no problemz
[10:34] <Dominian> irssi ftw
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[10:35] <grekkos> dios_mio: that's only one thing, and it's still possible to get a script that has auto accept enabled
[10:35] <dios_mio> when I boot slackware, I use xchat or irssi
[10:36] <dios_mio> grekkos, now downloads are not saved to mirc\ but in mirc\downloads\
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[10:36] <lee555J5> Dominian ftw
[10:37] <lee555J5> Hell, everybody ftw
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[10:39] <lee555J5> +1 on irssi. ssh+screen+irssi   Sum is greater than the parts. :)
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[10:39] <NaCl> lee555J5: yep
[10:40] <Zordrak> ssh+screen+irssi is my only method
[10:41] <Zordrak> fyi mirc is not free
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[10:41] <init[1]> Zordrak: isn't mirc for windows
[10:41] <Zordrak> and anyone who pays $20 for that POS makes Darwin cry
[10:41] <Zordrak> init[1]: yes
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[10:44] <dios_mio> Zordrak, xchat makes windows users pay too :|
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[10:44] <NaCl> Unless you get the "free" version
[10:44] <dios_mio> which is not official
[10:45] <lee555J5> don't use windows
[10:45] <dios_mio> the official windows port of xchat is 30 days trial
[10:45] <lee555J5> don't use windows
[10:45] <dios_mio> i have no problems with windows
[10:46] <Zordrak> dios_mio: irssi is ported to windows
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[10:46] <dios_mio> Zordrak, irssi is nice but it is primitive, you know that
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[10:46] <Dominian> I'm going to install irssi for windows just to see what it looks like
[10:46] <lee555J5> I don't either. I'm on it at work right now. However, I refuse to use a trial ver or pay for something in windows when there are far better linux apps available.
[10:46] <Dominian> dios_mio: primitive!? hahahaha
[10:46] <Zordrak> Dominian: dont bother
[10:47] <Zordrak> Dominian: its just the same
[10:47] <Dominian> Zordrak: that's fine :)
[10:47] <dios_mio> of course it is primitive.. it is not GUI
[10:47] <Dominian> uhh
[10:47] <Dominian> yah
[10:47] <NaCl> uhhh...
[10:47] <Zordrak> except you can run a windows cmd based one that looks ugly
[10:47] <dios_mio> you cant simply click on buttons to switch channels
[10:47] <Dominian> no need to ;P
[10:47] <Dominian> ALT-#
[10:47] <dios_mio> you can switch channels with alt=# on mirc too
[10:47] <dios_mio> but also with mouse
[10:48] <Dominian> I avoid using the mouse as much as possible
[10:48] <Dominian> slows me down
[10:49] <lee555J5> Dominian, Zordrak: you can't argue with someone who hasn't experienced the wonder of irssi
[10:49] <NaCl> wow, the windows terminal is terrible...
[10:49] <Dominian> lee555J5: very true
[10:49] <dios_mio> you must admit that irssi is primitive.. it is based on the very first irc client ever = ircII... in 1991..
[10:49] <NaCl> dios_mio: no
[10:49] <Dominian> dios_mio: How does that make it primitive?
[10:49] <Dominian> Just because it doesn't fit your GUI life style doesn't make it primitive
[10:49] <dios_mio> well things have changed since 1991.. now computers are better and faster and can run graphic interfaces
[10:50] <Dominian> uh huh
[10:50] <Dominian> and?
[10:50] <Dominian> If that's your only argument, you've already failed.
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[10:50] <dios_mio> you are just being dumb here.. everybody knows that CLI is primitive compared to GUI.. you might like it because it is "cool", but admit that it is the primitive way
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[10:51] <Dominian> dios_mio: Once again, you fail to explain why its primitive
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[10:51] <Dominian> Just because it doesn't have pretty pictures.. doesn't make it primitive
[10:51] <dios_mio> because it is from primitive times, and it is simpler
[10:51] <Dominian> That makes no sense.
[10:51] <dios_mio> what other meaning of "primitive" are there?
[10:51] <dios_mio> ok nevermind
[10:51] <Dominian> You still haven't made a valid argument
[10:51] <dios_mio> ok forget it
[10:51] <dios_mio> you are a drone
[10:51] <Dominian> "Its not GUI so its primitive" is an ignorant statement.
[10:51] <lee555J5> Dominian: do you really expect one?
[10:51] <Dominian> haha I'm a drone because you're an idiot?
[10:52] <dios_mio> you are CLI fundies
[10:52] <Dominian> makes sense.
[10:52] <Dominian> dios_mio: No, you hate the CLI because you are total FAIL at it.. without a GUI, you'd be lost.
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[10:52] <Zordrak> dios_mio: YOU@RE the moron that turns up every day and says how cool slackware is
[10:52] <dios_mio> I would understand if you told me CLI is "cooler", but you must be honest and accept that it is primitive
[10:52] <Zordrak> by your definition its an archaic POS
[10:52] <Dominian> I never said it was cooler.
[10:52] <Dominian> I said it isn't primitive
[10:52] <Zordrak> gtfo and kindly forget how to return
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[10:53] <Dominian> You still fail to prove your point or make any sense on what your point is.. other than "its not GUI"
[10:53] <Dominian> Yet you use Slackware, which by default, is CLI.
[10:53] <Dominian> :)
[10:53] <dios_mio> Dominian, yeah.. thats the bottom of it isnt it? CLI is more experty and geeky and nerdy... GUI is eye candy... I know what you mean... CLI is "cooler".. ok fine, but it is still primitive.. I dont say primitive is bad...
[10:53] <Dominian> So, by your thought pattern, Slackware is primitive.
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[10:54] <ananke> this is just amusing
[10:54] <init[1]> hey check this link http://www.petersonalarm.com/has-pat-v-revolutionized-computer-security.php
[10:54] <Dominian> dios_mio: Its obvious you have no job in the IT world.. nor will you ever have a job in the IT world if you believe the CLI is primitive :)
[10:54] <rob0> A GUI makes simple things easier, and makes complicated things difficult to impossible.
[10:54] <BP{k}> dios_mio: it's more for an expert yet more primitive? that doens't make sense. By that statement, neanderthal men would have been a better candidate to survive than homo sapiens :P
[10:54] <Dominian> BP{k}: ooo good point
[10:54] <dios_mio> CLI existed 30 years ago too
[10:55] <dios_mio> and
[10:55] <Dominian> dios_mio: and?
[10:55] <Dominian> So did cars
[10:55] <dios_mio> GUI is the newer thing
[10:55] <Dominian> are those cars primitive?
[10:55] <dios_mio> it is a development
[10:55] <Dominian> haha You're an idiot.
[10:55] <Dominian> Have fun being ignorant.
[10:55] <dios_mio> well cars of 1930 are primitive compared to today
[10:55] <chopp> someone skid this idiot
[10:55] <Dominian> Oh btw.. Can I have fries with that?
[10:55] <dios_mio> you are just drones
[10:55] Action: rob0 gets fries for Dominian
[10:55] <dios_mio> fundamentalists
[10:55] <Dominian> dios_mio: You better get used to hearing "Can I have fries with that?"
[10:56] <dios_mio> I knew this conversation would get here...
[10:56] <Dominian> Get where?
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[10:56] <dios_mio> Dominian, my family is in manufacturing business
[10:56] <Dominian> Calling you out on your ignorance, making you prove your point?
[10:56] <rob0> A battle of wits with an unarmed man.
[10:56] <Dominian> Of course!
[10:56] <asarch> Do you know any way to see the stored WEP keys in Windows XP?
[10:56] <asarch> My University has two point access, the first one is very "crowded" and it doesn't give me any access
[10:56] <dios_mio> Dominian, I dont have any desire to be an IT worker
[10:56] <Dominian> dios_mio: good for them.. manufacturing is primitive.. it existed 60+ years ago
[10:56] <BP{k}> rob0: it's but a fleshwound!
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[10:56] <rob0> asarch: format and install Linux
[10:56] <asarch> To the access point?
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[10:57] <Dominian> asarch: to your machine.
[10:57] <BP{k}> init[1]: what a silly article.
[10:57] <lee555J5> asarch: yes, why are you asking this in ##slackware
[10:57] <asarch> It has 12.2
[10:57] <rob0> and any other you can get your hands on :)
[10:57] <init[1]> BP{k}: :D
[10:57] <dios_mio> Dominian, I installed slackware for fun.. I am not a linux fundamentalist like some
[10:57] <asarch> I need the stored WEP key in *ANOTHER* PC with X
[10:57] <asarch> s/X/XP
[10:57] <init[1]> BP{k}: my google alterts gave it me :)
[10:58] <Dominian> BP{k}: wh the hell posted that?
[10:58] <init[1]> *alerts
[10:58] <asarch> I just need to know the WEP key
[10:58] <Dominian> dios_mio: I love how you label people to try and win yoru arguments.. you remind me of Republicans
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[10:58] <asarch> To use the second access point of my school
[10:58] <BP{k}> Dominian: init[1] did. But whoever wrote that article is seriously short of clue :)
[10:58] <rob0> asarch, I would just click around in the GUI until I found it ... or not ...
[10:58] <Dominian> BP{k}: uhh yeah
[10:59] <dios_mio> Dominian, you are so blinded by the eliteness of your practice, you cannot even see the obvious truth that CLI is technologically prior and primitive to GUI
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[10:59] <init[1]> BP{k}: any way its not me ..
[10:59] <me__> leetness*
[10:59] <Dominian> dios_mio: Negative, in reality, GUI is just a veil covering the complicated processes of the command line for lazy users like yourself.
[10:59] <jumperbo1> dios_mio: i enabled speech commands on my mac, technically superior to gui, it got old fast
[11:00] <BP{k}> jumperbo1: I am always afraid if I would do that, my computer would start arguing with me ;)
[11:00] <dios_mio> jumperbo1, I made no judgments about whether one is better the other.. I simply said one is more primitive than the other.. and this man wont accept that
[11:00] <HoldMyPocket> i'm afraid it would mock me
[11:00] <jumperbo1> so qualify "primitive", you make it sound like a slur
[11:00] <Dominian> dios_mio: Has nothing to do with 'acceptance' its an ignorant statement.
[11:00] <dios_mio> jumperbo1, what other word to uyse?
[11:00] <jumperbo1> dios_mio: how about productive? :)
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[11:01] <jumperbo1> efficient
[11:01] <dios_mio> ok nevermind
[11:01] <Dominian> dios_mio: You're trying to generalize YOUR use of the GUI as being "superior" to that of CLI, when in my world, CLI is far more powerful than any GUI.
[11:01] <jumperbo1> intuitive
[11:01] <jumperbo1> with gui, most decisions are made for you
[11:01] <dios_mio> jumperbo1, no give me a word to give me the meaning of thecnologically primitive
[11:01] <Dominian> dios_mio: I'm a professional systems administrator... GUI slows me down.
[11:01] <Dominian> dios_mio: So you live in your world of GUI-ness.. I'll take CLI any day.
[11:01] <jumperbo1> basic, essential, indispensible
[11:01] <rob0> If all you do is start GUI applications, the GUI is probably about as good as the command line.
[11:01] <dios_mio> Dominian, did you see me contest that idea? of course in linux CLI has the power
[11:02] <rob0> And if all you do is start GUI applications, you wouldn't understand any of this.
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[11:02] <dios_mio> Dominian, but you must not be so blinded to argue that irssi is not primitive compared to xchat
[11:02] <lee555J5> dios_mio: try to script your gui
[11:02] <Dominian> dios_mio: You fail to understand what I mean.. to me.. the CLI is far less primitive than the GUI.. in your world.. that may differ.  I will not agree at all to someone stating that CLI is primitive compared to GUI.  In my world, it is the GUI that is useless.
[11:02] <dios_mio> irssi is based on ircII.. the first irc client ever.. from 1991
[11:02] <dios_mio> it IS primitive
[11:02] <jumperbo1> gui implies dependence on a mouse and constant clicking. have you ever tried vimperator on firefox? it's liberating.
[11:03] <rob0> Well, I prefer irssi for numerous reasons. I don't feel hindered in it at all. Seems like text mode is a great way to deal with a text protocol.
[11:03] <dios_mio> nevermind
[11:03] <dios_mio> I am out of here
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[11:03] <rob0> haha
[11:03] <Dominian> :)
[11:03] <lee555J5> he'll be back :|
[11:03] <Dominian> yep
[11:03] <Dominian> However, he better research his shit before he comes back.
[11:03] <me__> they always come back
[11:03] <twolf> he has trolled here before
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[11:03] <Dominian> twolf: aye
[11:04] <Dominian> twolf: he left the last time too :)
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[11:04] <Dominian> twolf: Kind of reminds me of Mormons..
[11:04] <twolf> hehe'
[11:04] <rob0> I wonder if that i=FREELOVE is a user account, or masked identd for root?
[11:04] <jumperbo1> so, how do i change my nick back to jumberboy without logging out?
[11:04] <me__> You will find him later in #ubuntu
[11:04] <Dominian> rob0: hrm good point
[11:04] <jumperbo1> and why did it change in the first place?
[11:04] <Dominian> jumperbo1: /nick
[11:04] <lee555J5> I don't think he was trolling. He really believes it. Just misguided and inexperienced.
[11:04] Nick change: jumperbo1 -> jumperboy
[11:04] <Dominian> jumperbo1: you probably got disconnected for some reason from irc
[11:04] <jumperboy> Dominian: thanks, that was easy
[11:04] <Dominian> jumperboy: np
[11:05] <Dominian> but that's the "primitive" way to do it
[11:05] <Dominian> In Xchat.. you have to click 5 places to change your nick
[11:05] <rob0> For a long time, that fool insisted on IRC as root, I pointed that out, he ignored, so I deemed him unworthy of my time.
[11:05] <jumperboy> stupid CLI!!!!!!
[11:05] <Dominian> hehe
[11:05] <rob0> But this time I felt like joining in and helping Dominian have fun :)
[11:05] <jumperboy> i should've been able to click on something to fix that!!!!!!!!
[11:05] <Dominian> rob0: Well, I think a lot of his problem is.. I have a feeling he's young.. and ignorant.
[11:05] <rob0> maybe so
[11:05] <Dominian> rob0: So we must educate him he he
[11:06] <rob0> a lot of the most ignorant ones in computing are not young at all, though
[11:06] <me__> send him the internet on a floppy disk and he can learn
[11:06] <Dominian> rob0: aye
[11:06] <Dominian> Ya know...
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[11:06] <rob0> people my age ;)
[11:06] <Dominian> I think I'm going to write an article on cli vs. gui
[11:06] <lee555J5> Great point: rob0 "A GUI makes simple things easier, and makes complicated things difficult to impossible."
[11:07] <rob0> lee, it isn't an original thought, paraphrased from somewhere else.
[11:07] <Dominian> But I would need feedback from everyone on what to YOU makes CLI better than GUI or GUI better than CLI or just opinions on both :P
[11:07] <jumperboy> aliases, for one thing. I can make up my own commands.
[11:07] <lee555J5> rob0: first time I'd seen it and you didn't cite it :)
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[11:08] <lee555J5> Dominian: admin scripting
[11:08] <jumperboy> any scripting
[11:08] <lee555J5> Dominian: creating a gui :)
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[11:09] <jumperboy> yeah, cli doesn't preclude gui
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[11:09] <jumperboy> funny, though, is irc gui or cli? :)
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[11:10] <me__> clui
[11:10] <jumperboy> clui bat
[11:10] <BP{k}> jumperboy: neither. It's a protocol.
[11:10] <ananke> neither. irc is not a product
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[11:11] <jumperboy> odd that he argued against cli on a protocol that's essentially text-based
[11:11] <Dominian> Well, how about this...
[11:11] <grekkos> hmm
[11:12] <jumperboy> it will be interesting to see what kind of effect google wave has on electronic communication (if any)
[11:12] <mib_0ywp1b> :)
[11:12] <Dominian> For those that want to send me their opnions on gui/cli.. email them to dominianATslackadelicDOT.com
[11:12] <Dominian> be easier that way
[11:12] <grekkos> is there a terminal command/app to grab the contents of my pasteboard?
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[11:13] <gram> xclip
[11:13] <grekkos> oh that soudns vaguely familiar
[11:15] <theblackbox> what's the default install dir of the mysql include files and the mysql libs that I need to pass to postfix during build? sorry, but is somewhat slackware specific
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[11:17] <BP{k}> theblackbox: have you looked at the mysql package?
[11:18] <theblackbox> BP{k}, where would I get that info? I used: CCARGS='-DUSE_SASL_AUTH -DDEF_SERVER_SASL_TYPE=\"dovecot\" -DUSE_TLS -DHAS_PCRE -DHAS_MYSQL -I/usr/include/mysql' \ AUXLIBS="-L/usr/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -lz -lm -lssl -lcrypto -L/usr/lib -lpcre"
[11:18] <BP{k}> theblackbox: grep "include\|lib" /var/log/packages/mysql-5.0.67-i486-1 for example.
[11:18] <theblackbox> to me that looks correct, but postfix fails to build with mysql support (although it DOES successfully build)
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[11:19] <theblackbox> ahh, got you
[11:19] <theblackbox> yep, seems like I'm setting the right targets =(
[11:20] <BP{k}> so your question is not "where do I find the mysql include and libs" but "how do I compile postfix with mysql support...
[11:20] <theblackbox> well, no - it was a bit of both
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[11:22] <theblackbox> confirming where the libs/includes are leads me to believe I'm setting the build script properly.... which executes without a problem, although postconf -m shows no entry for mysql
[11:22] <BP{k}> AUXLIBS="-L/usr/lib/mysql => AUXLIBS="-L/var/lib/mysql (according to Dominians wiki)
[11:23] <theblackbox> huh, that's an empty dir for me, that's why I chose the /usr/.. one
[11:23] <theblackbox> symlinked and chowned for safety, perhaps?
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[11:24] <theblackbox> BP{k}, it was that wiki I was following
[11:24] <BP{k}> theblackbox: for a very loose definition of following? :)
[11:25] <theblackbox> just had a look around, noticed it was empty and figured the newer postfix must have made some changes
[11:25] <theblackbox> next time I'll heed the wisdom of the Dominian
[11:25] <theblackbox> s/next/this
[11:26] <BP{k}> theblackbox: that is possible. but I would try and follow it first and see if it works.
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[11:27] <theblackbox> =P
[11:27] <theblackbox> cheers BP{k}
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[11:31] <theblackbox> hu, even that setup don't seem to list mysql on postconf -m
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[11:33] <pprkut> theblackbox: is mysql running?
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[11:35] <theblackbox> yep
[11:36] <pprkut> and /var/lib/mysql/ is empty?
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[11:37] <theblackbox> ahhh, no.... crap, that would have been before I'd set up and done the install_db script
[11:37] <theblackbox> it has the datafiles and the logfiles in it
[11:39] <theblackbox> okay, so I set up the config flags as /var/lib/mysql and it builds fine but still no mention of mysql on the postconf -m list
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[11:43] <Dominian> theblackbox: There are changes to the slackbuilds.org script you have to make to enable that
[11:43] <Dominian> theblackbox: http://wiki.slackadelic.com/doku.php/howto:mailserver#postfix_installation
[11:43] <Dominian> theblackbox: that will give you an idea of what to change
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[11:46] <PiterPunk> If anyone wants to test: http://www.slackpkg.org/beta/slackpkg-2.80beta2-noarch-3.tgz
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[11:46] <PiterPunk> You can see Changelog at http://www.slackpkg.org/beta/ChangeLog
[11:48] <Dominian> it just killed my box...
[11:48] <Dominian> ;)
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[11:48] <snowdonkey> Hi.  Does anyone know how I can download the source for Amarok 1.4.10?
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[11:49] <snowdonkey> I've looked on the Amarok website, but it appears they only make Amarok 2 sources available.
[11:51] <snowdonkey> nvm, I'll try in #amarok.
[11:51] <snowdonkey> They ought to know.  :)
[11:51] <BP{k}> snowdonkey: any slackware-12.2 mirror should have that
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[11:55] <snowdonkey> BP{k}: I was directed here, just what I was looking for.  Thanks for the help though.  http://websvn.kde.org/tags/amarok/1.4.10/multimedia/amarok/
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[11:59] <headbrake> hi guys. i've just opened my faulty harddrive before throwing it away...anybody knows if you can breathe bad things from it? like heavy metals?
[11:59] <headbrake> anyone got some suggestion to a good/bad end for my hdd? :)
[12:01] <BP{k}> Thermite?
[12:01] <BP{k}> and don't breathe anything it.
[12:01] <lee555J5> headbrake: "breathe bad things" sounds a little late for that question, doesn't it? :)
[12:01] <BP{k}> before you know it the faults are tranmitted by air to your brain!
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[12:02] <rob0> headbrake: Opening a faulty hard drive is lethal. Write your will, ASAP!
[12:02] <headbrake> so i have to warry? :))
[12:02] <lee555J5> warry [sic]? yes
[12:02] <rob0> No, just get your affairs in order, so your next of kin won't have to worry.
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[12:02] <lee555J5> worry, no
[12:02] <antler> when you write the will, don't forget to leave your faulty drive to one of yes
[12:03] <headbrake> *sorry for bad english.......the death is near
[12:03] <lee555J5> antler: who?
[12:03] <antler> lee555J5: whoever is dying from inhaling the faulty drive
[12:03] <rob0> headbrake, don't worry, it's mostly painless, from what I hear.
[12:04] <lee555J5> rob0: but not quick :P
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[12:04] <rob0> It can be, but you're right, it isn't always quick.
[12:04] <antler> lee555J5: oh. who to leave the drive to.... headbrake : leave it to lee555J5 :P
[12:05] <rob0> Leave it to the US Gov't!
[12:05] <headbrake> lol
[12:05] <antler> no! lee555J5 likes barnyard animals more
[12:06] <lee555J5> an open hdd is fun for about 15 min to show clueless coworkers. You can put fingerprints on it! It'll never work again! Then, just toss it. :)
[12:06] <skibur> how much does a typical worker make as a Linux System Administrator 1 make?
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[12:07] <rob0> "Linux System Administrator 1"??
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[12:07] <lee555J5> antler: barnyard animals, where'd that come from? :)
[12:07] <skibur> yup
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[12:08] <antler> lee555J5: :P
[12:08] <rob0> I guess you'd want to ask the potential employer what the salary range is. "Linux System Administrator 1" is not a standard title, and even if it was, pay would vary greatly.
[12:09] <skibur> well I'm getting that
[12:09] <skibur> offering me $30,000
[12:09] <antler> skibur means, "the #1 linux system admin".... :D
[12:09] <lee555J5> antler: whew, I thought someone talked. ;)
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[12:09] <rob0> Okay, that sounds lowish to me.
[12:09] <skibur> well 1-3
[12:09] <jeev_> the only linux i'd admin is slackware.
[12:10] <skibur> rob0 agree
[12:10] <thrice`> who in their right mind would let you near a slackware box ? ;)
[12:10] <antler> lee555J5: lol
[12:10] <skibur> hence the question
[12:10] <jeev_> 30k is low considering the driver/runner at some of the offices i support get 24k
[12:10] <jeev_> thrice`, HAR HAR
[12:10] <thrice`> :>
[12:10] <jeev_> i hate it when my offspring talk back.
[12:10] <antler> bada bing!
[12:11] <jeev_> darn tootn'
[12:11] <skibur> it pretty much a hosting company
[12:11] <skibur> hostgator.com
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[12:14] <lee555J5> damn Slackware-current just locked up on GLMatrix screensaver; nothing, no response
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[12:16] <antler> that's such a cool screensaver :)
[12:16] <jeev> i have a very hard time figuring my way out to the setting stuff in kde hehe
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[12:17] <lee555J5> antler: yeah, as long as you can get back to KDE :)
[12:17] <jeev> damn screensaver daemon wont start heh
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[12:17] <lee555J5> without rebooting
[12:17] <jeev> glmatrix is cool
[12:18] <jeev> i wonder what the probability is that it'll display my password...
[12:19] <Alan_Hic1s> Got a quick question for y'all.
[12:19] Nick change: Alan_Hic1s -> Alan_Hicks
[12:19] <lee555J5> 4
[12:20] <Alan_Hicks> I'm trying to set a variable called smtp-auth, but nothing I try works. This is with bash on Slackware-12.2.
[12:21] <Alan_Hicks> For example: # set smtp-auth=login; echo ${smtp-auth} # returns "auth" instead of "login"
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[12:22] <thrice`> Alan_Hicks: what about 'smpt-auth' ?
[12:22] <straterra> I found the server I want the CIO to order
[12:22] <straterra> http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1041/AS-1041M-T2+.cfm
[12:22] <straterra> 2 or 4 of these, please
[12:23] <allend> let smtp-auth=login works or me
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[12:23] <straterra> 24 cores
[12:23] <Alan_Hicks> thrice`: Same difference.  # set 'smtp-auth'=login; echo ${smtp-auth} # returns "auth"
[12:23] <straterra> In a 1u server
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[12:23] <thrice`> actually, I dont' think bash will take a hyphen
[12:23] <P4C0> hello guys, I just upgrade to new kernel (-current) I made my initrd as usual but when I boot it failed to mount it saying unable to mount /dev/sda3 on /mnt device not found or something... so I ended up in terminal and i do mount /dev/sda3 /mnt and it mounted it... any ideas? will it be that it tries to mount it too fast? (after module load from initrd)?
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[12:24] <thrice`> P4C0: I'd guess you made your initrd incorrectly.  did you specify the *new* kernel version ?
[12:24] <P4C0> thrice`: yes I did
[12:24] <Alan_Hicks> thrice`: There has to be someway to do this.
[12:25] <thrice`> Alan_Hicks: not according all "bash gotcha's".  everything says to use _ instead
[12:25] <P4C0> thrice`: ups... I found something :(
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[12:25] <P4C0> thrice`: ... -m mbcache:jbd:ext3 -f ext -r /dev/sda3 ... I guess there's a missing 3 there :(
[12:25] <Alan_Hicks> thrice`: Damnit!  Then explain to me how I'm supposed to setup smtp authentication using nail.
[12:26] <jeev> straterra, what are the servers going to do ?
[12:26] <P4C0> thanks thrice`
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[12:26] <thrice`> P4C0: sure :)
[12:26] <straterra> jeev: Lots
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[12:26] <straterra> I want 4..and keep 2 fired up as vmotion spares
[12:27] <jeev> and 2 for me /
[12:27] <straterra> No
[12:29] <straterra> 256 Gigs of memory..
[12:29] <straterra> err, I lie
[12:29] <straterra> 128
[12:32] <rob0> Alan_Hicks, damned luser. Should have described the real goal FIRST. Look in TFM mailx(1), note that smtp-auth is a string option, see "-S" or put it in .mailrc .
[12:32] <jeev> that's one long memtest
[12:32] <jeev> ;)
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[12:36] <dissociative> 1 SCSI TEKRAM 390F PCI
[12:36] <dissociative> Any help much appreciated!
[12:36] <dissociative> oops
[12:36] <straterra> o.O
[12:36] <Alan_Hicks> rob0: Yes yes.  I worked out another way to do it, but here's the deal... I wanted to know how to do this thing regardless.  It became my goal. :^)
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[12:37] <dissociative> sorry, I just wanted to say that when I plug a usb keyboard it doesnt seem to work and I got thid in dmesg: device descriptor read/64, error -110 keyboard
[12:37] <dissociative> any ideas?
[12:38] <dissociative> it did work like the first time that I plugged it
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[12:39] <dissociative> now I tried to swap it from usb port and It doesnt want to work
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[12:46] <Neo_The_User> is slackware good for people who build everything from git and by hand?
[12:46] <Neo_The_User> because thats what i usually do all day
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[12:47] <init[1]> Neo_The_User: slackware users have different taste , they love learning each an every minute the work on slack :)
[12:48] <Axius> Has somone Speedtouch 516 on working on Slackware 12.2?
[12:48] <Neo_The_User> and slackware doesnt have an update manager yes? so my source compiliation changes dont get overwritten? is all this correct?
[12:48] <rob0> Um, I guess that depends. If you GAFC, and you know how to RTFM and STFW, Slackware is good for you, regardless of whether or not you build everything from git and by hand.
[12:48] <BP{k}> Neo_The_User: you need to get out more ;)
[12:48] <BP{k}> Neo_The_User: and slackware *does* have a package manager.
[12:48] <rob0> You'd probably benefit from /topic here.
[12:49] <Neo_The_User> rob0, im off topic?
[12:49] <Alan_Hicks> Neo_The_User: How do you know if you don't first read the /topic?
[12:49] <Neo_The_User> i did
[12:49] <rob0> Um, type "/topic" and hit enter.
[12:50] <rob0> There are some helpful links.
[12:50] <Neo_The_User> ohhh slackbook!
[12:50] <Neo_The_User> didnt see that. thanks.
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[12:53] <Neo_The_User> i cant find any info on actually making a slackbuild in the slackbook :/
[12:54] <Axius> Can someone help me to connect with Speedtouch 516 on Slackware 12.2 ?
[12:54] <BP{k}>  /topic -> try the second link .. then /topic -> try the third link
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[12:55] <Neo_The_User> zomg an official toturial! ok you guys are the best!
[12:55] <chopp> Axius: I use an ST516. Its firmware is locked by default by my isp. Its just plug and play, but I replaced flashed the firmware on mine to mess with it.
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[12:59] <dissociative> which is the slackware current kernel now?
[13:01] <NetrixTardis> 2.6.29.4
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[13:50] <Camarade_Tux> silent :p
[13:50] <eviljames> SHUTUP, YOU'RE RUINING IT.
[13:50] <Camarade_Tux>  ='(
[13:50] <eviljames> How goes, dude?
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[13:50] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames, nice, not working on today :)
[13:50] <Camarade_Tux> and you ? :)
[13:50] <eviljames> braggart.
[13:51] <Camarade_Tux> thanks :p
[13:51] <eviljames> I'm working today, and it's 29C outside, not a cloud in the sky :(
[13:51] <jeev> eviljames
[13:51] <agentc0re> That was almost 1 hour of slience.
[13:51] <jeev> how's canada right now
[13:51] <Camarade_Tux> there was some CS stuff, and we've^W^WI've finished it so free day ! :)
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[13:51] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames, probably the same here, except I don't work :)
[13:51] <eviljames> jeev: It's some 6,000 miles across.  I can't speak for the whole country, but my area is beautiful! :P
[13:52] <agentc0re> it was almost 4 separate different time areas in the time cube.
[13:52] <init[1]> hey is there way take screen shot other an import
[13:52] <Camarade_Tux> agentc0re, 49 minutes to be precise :p
[13:52] <init[1]> using import
[13:52] <eviljames> init[1]: depends on your DE.
[13:52] <init[1]> xfce
[13:52] <Camarade_Tux>  /dev/fb0 too :D
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[13:53] <init[1]> Camarade_Tux: should i cat /dev/fb0 to some raw file ?
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[13:53] <init[1]> thing is .. i have to take the shot where there is a scroll down menu.
[13:53] <Camarade_Tux> init[1], try to avoid that, we're still not sure how to convert it properly to an usable file ;)
[13:54] <Camarade_Tux> init[1], 'sleep 2; import t.png' ?
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[13:54] <init[1]> checking it
[13:54] <Camarade_Tux> that's how I do most of my screenshots
[13:55] <init[1]> Camarade_Tux: thing is
[13:55] <init[1]> import: unable to grab mouse `': Resource temporarily unavailable.
[13:55] <init[1]> i have a scroll down menu
[13:55] <init[1]> in a web form
[13:55] <Camarade_Tux> import -window root ?
[13:56] <init[1]> my mouse is attacted to the scrol
[13:56] <Camarade_Tux> (or another id for your window)
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[13:56] <Camarade_Tux> 'import -window root' shouldn't require you to click
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[13:58] <Camarade_Tux> gotta go, I need to slack on some game :)
[13:59] <Camarade_Tux> see you :)
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[14:01] <init[1]> screeshot problem
[14:01] <init[1]> i have to take a shot for scroll down menu
[14:01] <init[1]> on a web form
[14:01] <init[1]> problem is
[14:01] <init[1]> its grabs my mouse
[14:01] <init[1]> but import requires mouse
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[14:04] <init[1]> sleep 3 ; import --window 0x3200003  says it can't grab mouse
[14:04] <init[1]> --window windowid
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[14:05] <rg3> take a screenshot of the full screen and then crop it
[14:06] <init[1]> rg3: i can't even do that
[14:06] <Pig_Pen> take a picture of it with a camera
[14:07] <init[1]> the scroll menu grabs my mouse
[14:07] <init[1]> Pig_Pen: :P
[14:07] <rg3> can you point us to the menu? :)
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[14:07] <init[1]> yes
[14:07] <init[1]> rg3: take the screeshot for me if you can
[14:08] <init[1]> http://www.mibbit.com/chat/
[14:08] <init[1]> in that
[14:08] <init[1]> i need the lis of servers
[14:08] <init[1]> to be in my shot
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[14:09] <rg3> on the right of "IRC:"?
[14:09] <Pig_Pen> look its 2009, Each time you visit without javascript another frog dies
[14:09] <Pig_Pen> thats what i see
[14:09] <init[1]> yes rg3
[14:09] <init[1]> Pig_Pen: lol
[14:10] <rg3> import -w root worked fine here
[14:10] <Pig_Pen> no X on this laptop
[14:10] <init[1]> rg3
[14:10] <Pig_Pen> just lynx
[14:10] <init[1]> did you get the list ?
[14:10] <firebird619> I'm on osol (gnome) and gnome's screenshot app worked fine.
[14:10] <init[1]> firebird619: its import
[14:10] <init[1]> not that gnome /kde goodies
[14:11] <rg3> init[1]: i guess so, i'll upload the picture somewhere
[14:11] <init[1]> :)
[14:11] <init[1]> thank you
[14:12] <init[1]> rg3: bash-3.1$ sleep 3 ; import --window root
[14:12] <init[1]> import: unable to grab mouse `': Resource temporarily unavailable.
[14:12] <init[1]>  
[14:12] <init[1]> why do i get these error
[14:12] <rg3> no idea http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=testx.png
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[14:17] <init[1]> rg3: i did it here , thing is there is a delay before the screen shot and more over we are forced to take the shot of entire screen
[14:18] <init[1]> on an partiacular area .
[14:18] <init[1]> well it works .
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[14:25] <antler> eww. that ff looks like a browser from the late 90s
[14:27] <firebird619> y0 antler, how's it going?
[14:27] <antler> hi firebird619 :) fantastic ! how are things going with you?
[14:27] <firebird619> going excellent, thanks. :)
[14:28] Action: antler points rg3 to gtk-qt-engine
[14:29] <firebird619> lol
[14:29] <firebird619> that ff is on fluxbox, but it doesn't look to pretty. :P
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[14:29] <rg3> oh, i so much care about the look of my browser...
[14:29] <antler> then you should use the engine :D
[14:30] Action: rg3 points antler to the irony detector machine
[14:30] <Matthew_Murdock> Did anyone succeeded to install gtk 2.16 on slackware? (I have slackware current and gtk 2.14.7)?
[14:30] Action: antler suggests that a sarcasm detector machine would work better :P
[14:31] <rworkman> Matthew_Murdock: yeah, it works fine.
[14:31] <Dominian> Matthew_Murdock: I doubt anyone has even tried to build the new gtk on Slackware yet.
[14:31] <rworkman> Matthew_Murdock: some stuff won't build against it though
[14:31] Action: Dominian stands corrected
[14:31] <rworkman> You won't see 2.16.x until the next -current cycle at least though
[14:31] <rg3> the NILFS2 preview at linux-mag.com is very interesting
[14:32] <antler> firebird619: you're doing opensolaris now ?
[14:33] <rworkman> rg3: sorry about the lack of response re encrypted volumes w/ halrv; I've been a bit swamped and then sick :/
[14:33] <Matthew_Murdock> rworkman: is there some tutorial on how to do this?
[14:33] <rworkman> Matthew_Murdock: not that I'm aware
[14:33] <rworkman> Matthew_Murdock: you need newer glib2 first.  Also you'll need newer pango; I don't recall which goes first: gtk or pango though
[14:34] <rg3> rworkman: it's fine, i'll wait; for now it works with unencrypted volumes, which is what i use it for 99.99% of the times
[14:34] <rworkman> ok :
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[14:35] <Matthew_Murdock> rworkman: thanks, I will wait for next current and until then I will compile 2.16 programs on windows :(
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[14:40] <Necos> hmmmm, if something is linking -lmad, that's madplay, right?
[14:41] <BP{k}> could be libmad.
[14:41] <rg3> Necos: libmad
[14:42] <Necos> oh siht... that's right...
[14:42] <Necos> *shit >.<;
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[14:53] <compl3x> Hey
[14:53] <Necos> hiya
[14:53] <compl3x> Wasup?
[14:53] <firebird619> hey compl3x, how's it going?
[14:53] <compl3x> firebird619: hey! its going good - plenty of sun - been down the beach allday, yourself?
[14:54] <firebird619> doing excellent, thanks. :)
[14:54] <compl3x> Awesome
[14:54] Action: compl3x is looking for a project to work on - any ideas?
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[14:56] Action: compl3x makes a fly killing device
[14:57] <compl3x> ah wth! it fell in my tea :@
[14:57] <init[1]> compl3x: can't you write a front end for alienBOB localmirror script
[14:58] <compl3x> init[1]: does it need one ? O.o
[14:58] <Pig_Pen> vim is a good front end
[14:58] <init[1]> i mean add features like which all packages to download
[14:58] <compl3x> init[1]: It's fine how it is imho and I use it all the time
[14:58] <init[1]> not the folder
[14:58] <init[1]> like for example
[14:58] <alienBOB> How much more braindead should that script become? the "-h" tells you all you need to know
[14:58] <compl3x> alienBOB: exsactly
[14:59] <init[1]> alienBOB: your script i really good .
[14:59] <init[1]> *S
[14:59] <compl3x> Hey alienBOB have any issues with HDA intel sound device on your eeepc?
[14:59] <jeev> lol
[14:59] <init[1]> i didn't mean to say any wrong with it
[15:00] <init[1]> i think one more feature could be added
[15:00] <compl3x> alienBOB: took it outside the other day - booted up - got into kde, bout to watch a film and boom - kde error message HDA intel xx not responding - so I couldn't watch a movie outside.. still doing it - if I run alsaconf it works for a minute then bails again
[15:00] <init[1]> alienBOB: i mean to download list of required packages within a floder
[15:00] <alienBOB> compl3x: I did not have sound issues with mine until now
[15:00] <compl3x> alienBOB: you have them now aswell?
[15:01] <alienBOB> compl3x: sound issues? No
[15:01] <compl3x> alienBOB: oh right
[15:01] <alienBOB> init[1]: feature request declined
[15:01] <alienBOB> I mean - there is absolutely no sense in that
[15:01] <init[1]> alienBOB: like for kde
[15:02] <init[1]> we may not need whole thing
[15:02] <alienBOB> And if you do want to exclude part of the tree, look at the -X option
[15:02] <init[1]> some may like amarok , some many not need it
[15:02] <compl3x> init[1]: if your mirroring , then the only thing I can imagine youd want to remove is source
[15:02] <alienBOB> init[1]: downloading it does not mean you have to _install_ it
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[15:03] <alienBOB> But, you can make the exclusion list as big and as elaborate as you like
[15:03] <jeev> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=1615087 i want one
[15:04] <init[1]> alienBOB:hm.. well ,just said it because i don't have eought bandwith here i use a n 10KB/s connection
[15:04] <compl3x> ouch
[15:04] <compl3x> init[1]: after the initial mirror - from then on it cant be that bad
[15:05] <init[1]> got it ..
[15:06] <compl3x> Maan the sun makes me sleepy
[15:07] <eviljames> It's the beer, not the sun.
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[15:07] <compl3x> hmm perhaps
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[15:21] <SpacePlod> alienBOB: Did you ever get an answer to the Q you were going to ask?
[15:21] <alienBOB> No. Can I pm you for a minute perhaps?
[15:22] <SpacePlod> sure.
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[15:32] <jeev> i dont use kde often, but as far as the extra workspace and stuff liek that, when you click on Workspace 2, shouldn't it bring up a new empty desktop? empty of programs ?
[15:32] <jeev> ioh i guess the system monitor thing stays on all windows
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[15:37] Action: Alan_Hicks HATES AT&T with the firey passion of a thousand suns.
[15:37] <Dominian> That's almost as much as I hate them sometimes.
[15:38] <dtanner> not as near as much as i hate them
[15:38] <Alan_Hicks> They've changed their outgoing mail again.
[15:39] <Alan_Hicks> I now have to wrap everything in SSL.  They're apparently too stupid to use TLS.
[15:43] <Dominian> heh
[15:43] <Dominian> I had to deal with them for a client.. they were assigning rDNS to our DNS servers.. but we had no clue that they were.
[15:43] <Dominian> and we took down the old DNS servers hehehe.. so it broke the clients outbound email for a while
[15:43] <rob0> Comparing AT&T (my DSL provider) with the local electric utility, I have to say AT&T did a fine job. The wires in the new house were dead, but they came out on the same day and fixed it.
[15:44] <jeev> rob0, thought you were leaving.
[15:44] <jeev> i hate att like alcoholics hate being sober
[15:44] <rob0> Landlord showed up with apple pie & ice cream :)
[15:44] <jeev> and THEN what happened
[15:45] <eviljames> [ in bed ]
[15:45] <rob0> I sat down and ate some, and typed at you here
[15:45] <rob0>  [ in bed ]
[15:45] <rob0> bbiab :) [ in bed ]
[15:45] <Alan_Hicks> HAHAHA
[15:45] <firebird619> lol
[15:46] <Dominian> My legacy lives on...
[15:46] <Alan_Hicks> [ in bed ]
[15:46] <Dominian> ya know.. I know that was put into noobfarm, but I can't find it.
[15:46] <jeev> bb [ going to car ]
[15:46] <firebird619> Hi  Alan_Hicks, how are you?
[15:46] <Dominian>  [ in bed ]
[15:46] <firebird619> Hey Dominian, how's it going?
[15:46] <firebird619> lol
[15:46] <Alan_Hicks> The greatest in the world.
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[15:54] <rk4n3> [ in bed ]
[15:54] <rk4n3> Alan_Hicks:  is that what you were waiting for ?  :)
[15:55] <firebird619> Hey rk4n3, how's it going?
[15:55] <rk4n3> firebird619: pretty good - how 'bout you ?
[15:55] <firebird619> doing excellent, thanks. :)
[15:55] <rk4n3> still stylin' in ion ?
[15:56] <firebird619> haven't really, no, I was on flux yesterday. There's a few things I want to figure out in ion though, it is very nice, I really like it.
[15:56] <firebird619> I'm on OpenSolaris right now.
[15:56] <rk4n3> :)
[15:56] <rk4n3> aha
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[15:57] <Plee> youtube problems?
[15:57] <Alan_Hicks> rk4n3: :^)
[15:57] <rk4n3> haha
[15:57] <firebird619> rk4n3:  Is there a way in ion to make it so that to right click a tab, you don't have to hold the right click down?
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[15:57] <rk4n3> firebird619: ah, I wondered that too
[15:58] <firebird619> that is sort of annoying
[15:58] <Alan_Hicks> Anyone ever used mailx with SSL (not TLS) encrypted SMTP servers?  I'm getting a CA error and google ain't helping.
[15:58] <antiwire> Plee: If you're asking if the people in here have problems with youtube, I can speak for myself and say that other than it uses flash and tends to have all the related flash issues, it works fine.
[15:59] <firebird619> Hey antiwire, how are you?
[15:59] <antiwire> all good
[15:59] <Plee> antiwire, ok, then it's not with youtube itself :) Having trouble loading it.. so it's probably an isp problem :)
[16:00] <antiwire> Plee: probably, maybe the cut another marine cable lol
[16:00] <antiwire> they*
[16:00] <Plee> hehe
[16:00] <Plee> maybe
[16:00] <firebird619> lol
[16:01] <Pig_Pen> youtube isnt loading here either
[16:01] <Pig_Pen> website is unresponsive
[16:02] <Plee> I don't mind really, that may give me more time to work on something worth while, instead of watching shit on youtube
[16:02] <Pig_Pen> google server error page loaded
[16:02] <firebird619> I get a google error too
[16:03] <rk4n3> Alan_Hicks:  is it your mail server, or someone else's ?
[16:03] <Alan_Hicks> rk4n3: ATT's mail server.
[16:03] <antiwire> youtube works for me
[16:03] <antiwire> US West coast
[16:03] <Alan_Hicks> rk4n3: I'm smart enough to use STARTTLS.  Apparently ATT is still in the stone age.
[16:04] <rk4n3> Alan_Hicks:  yeah, I was going to wonder if they even have it enabled or keep their certificate up
[16:04] <firebird619> antiwire: even when you click a video? youtube.com loads fine,  I get an error upon clicking a video.
[16:04] <Plee> does not work for me, Norway :)
[16:05] <Alan_Hicks> openssl s_client <--- works, but not mailx
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[16:05] <antiwire> ugh now it stopped working at all
[16:05] <firebird619> lol
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[16:07] <Plee> lem, very smart... root is not an account to surf, chat and such with :)
[16:08] <antiwire> i'm going to set my $REAL_NAME to root
[16:08] <Plee> hehe
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[16:08] <antiwire> did it work?
[16:08] <firebird619> no
[16:08] <antiwire> oh i'm cloaked
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[16:10] <firebird619> now it worked.
[16:10] <antiwire> lol
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[16:10] <antiwire> ok i feel dirty
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[16:11] <firebird619> wb :)
[16:11] <antiwire> yay
[16:11] <firebird619> you feel clean now? :P
[16:11] <antiwire> I used to set my ctcp version to mIRC too
[16:11] <antiwire> but people would flame me
[16:11] <firebird619> haha, nice.
[16:11] <Alan_Hicks> Ok, there's just something wrong with installing kdelibs on a headless server just to get mailx SSL to work. :^)
[16:12] <firebird619> antiwire: set it to bitchx. :P
[16:12] <Plee> if I do, ifname[0]="br0"  in rc.inet1.conf  that would make it so that br0 gets recognized as interface[0] right?
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[16:13] <Plee> or should I give it a higher number so that eth0 and br0 doesn't try to get the same address?
[16:14] <antiwire> Plee: each interface needs a different [x]
[16:14] <antiwire> if you want eth0 to be setup as the second interface make eth0 [1] and br0 [0]
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[16:14] <Plee> yeah, I have eth0, eth1 and wlan0. eth0 and wlan0 are to become br0,
[16:15] <antiwire> Plee: you have a script setup to build the bridge and add the interfaces right?
[16:15] <Plee> not yet
[16:16] <Plee> but it's coming :)
[16:17] <Plee> correct me if I'm wrong, it is udev that sets eth0 and eth1 right?
[16:17] <antiwire> yes, look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[16:17] <Plee> yeah :)
[16:19] <Pig_Pen> http://imagebin.org/51336 (safe for work - rated G)
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[16:20] <antiwire> lol
[16:20] <firebird619> haha
[16:21] <Plee> antiwire, I think I'll do it the easy way.. set my br0 at [3] :)
[16:21] <antiwire> Plee: yep
[16:21] <antiwire> hey have any of you guys snagged a copy of that US Nuclear sites PDF?
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[16:22] <antiwire> It's pretty interesting
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[16:26] <antiwire> it's basically a list of US nuclear locations across the globe and descriptions of the research and work done at each one
[16:26] <vdvluc> hi
[16:26] <firebird619> hi
[16:26] <_arfon_> Hi VD
[16:27] <nooper> lol Pig_Pen
[16:27] <_arfon_> Any job opening on that list Anti?
[16:27] <_arfon_> openings
[16:27] <eviljames> That's a good question
[16:27] <antiwire> lol
[16:27] <eviljames> Will they outsource some work to Canuckistan?
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[16:27] <antiwire> Well a lost of the projects aren't complete yet so maybe!
[16:27] <antiwire> lot*
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[16:28] <_arfon_> Canuckistan?
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[16:28] <_arfon_> Isn't that a den of terrorist activity Evil?
[16:28] <antiwire> you can find it on 4chan's /rs/ (rapid shares) and then I verified it was the correct one by checking the file's sha256 against wikileak's entry
[16:28] <_arfon_> 4chan  :/
[16:29] <eviljames> _arfon_: No, that would be Kansas.
[16:29] <antiwire> or just search rapid share
[16:29] <antiwire> whatever
[16:29] <_arfon_> Oh...  I KNEW those Kansasians looked shifty
[16:31] <antiwire> a lot of the entries are really spooky sounding...things like "coolant breach tests" and "gas release in swelling metal containers"
[16:33] <Pig_Pen> it would take a hell of a lot of pressure to cause a metal container to swell
[16:34] <antiwire> umm, we're talking about nuclear operations. the pressures involved are huge.
[16:35] <eviljames> um.
[16:35] <antiwire> um
[16:35] <eviljames> I don't know that a 4 letter word like huge *quite* encompasses the colossal amount of pressure we're discussing.
[16:35] <antiwire> astronomical
[16:35] <eviljames> Better.  I'll go check a thesaurus and get back to you
[16:35] <antiwire> lol
[16:35] <Necos> >.>
[16:35] <antiwire> oh awesome there's even floor plans and maps
[16:36] <antiwire> this is a great document
[16:36] <eviljames> elephantine?
[16:36] <Pig_Pen> are you going to build your own nuclear power plant?
[16:37] <eviljames> I alreayd did.
[16:37] <antiwire> You're not interested at all in nuclear sciences?
[16:37] <Pig_Pen> not me, that stuff is too hot for me
[16:37] <eviljames> Careful how you answer that question.
[16:37] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: *phew*.. if you hadn't made the "too hot" pun, I'd've demanded you turn in your geek card
[16:38] <eviljames> tragedy averted.
[16:38] <antiwire> this page is titled: security-reated information, withhold from public disclosure in accordance with 10cfr2.390(d)
[16:38] <antiwire> lmao
[16:39] <eviljames> Waitasec, wikileaks published confidential nuclear plant information, including security details?
[16:39] <Pig_Pen> i think i read about some p2p file sharers finding classified documents on an iranian computer running some p2p software
[16:39] <antiwire> eviljames: wikileaks got the document that was published by the US government
[16:39] <antiwire> by an idiot
[16:40] <eviljames> wow, this has disaster written ALL OVER IT.
[16:40] <InspectorCluseau> I thought it was a requierment to be an idiot to work for government
[16:40] <antiwire> this same page has floor layouts and dimensions with descriptions of the materials stored on them
[16:40] <InspectorCluseau> congress seems to prove that
[16:40] <antiwire> haha
[16:40] <Pig_Pen> considering the way the government does things it looks that way
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[16:41] <eviljames> -sigh- I'm all in favour of airing political views, but this 'anti-government' viewpoint I'll never understand.
[16:41] <eviljames> "Congress proves it"  -- that, really, means "our citizenry are far too stupid to be allowed to vote on their own.. look at the morons they choose."
[16:41] <Pig_Pen> not so much anti-government, just anti-stupidity
[16:42] <InspectorCluseau> government is necessary ... stupid governing is not
[16:42] <antiwire> I don't think it's not much anti government, more like anti-security procedure following. I mean really...these pages are clearly marked SECRET in some cases
[16:42] <InspectorCluseau> but blzme the voters that keep returning the idiots each election
[16:43] <Pig_Pen> yup, you can blame both
[16:43] <Pig_Pen> voters and politicians
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[16:44] <mmlj4> I think in most cases the voters are duped or scammed
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[16:44] <mmlj4> else, how could murtha get reelected?
[16:44] <Pig_Pen> kde-4.2.4 was released to fix both a security and serious bug problem
[16:44] <InspectorCluseau> term limits are needed ... and all those with over 12 years should be kicked out
[16:45] <eviljames> I couldn't disagree more.
[16:45] <eviljames> For example, my Member of Parliament (Canada, but whatever it's applicable)
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[16:45] <mmlj4> InspectorCluseau: I got a better one... repeal the ammendment that changed senatorial appointment to popular elections
[16:45] <eviljames> She's been in parliament for 16 years, spending every day fighting the battles for the poor.
[16:45] <InspectorCluseau> that too
[16:45] <eviljames> Or, by the end of this term, she'll have been in office for 16 years.
[16:46] <mmlj4> eviljames: we call people like that here "democrats"
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[16:46] <eviljames> I can very easily blame the voters.
[16:46] <InspectorCluseau> the office was never intended to be a career
[16:46] <eviljames> mmlj4: The democrats are a rightwing party in my eyes.
[16:46] <mmlj4> not anymore, sadly
[16:46] <eviljames> mmlj4: Encouraging gun ownership and private healthcare for example.
[16:47] <eviljames> The Republicans are insane-far-right, the dems are moderate right.
[16:47] <mmlj4> they are against both, what are you talking about?
[16:47] <eviljames> k, I'll accept that I'm being vitriolic in this case...
[16:47] <mmlj4> you can't seriously call Obama right-wing, or even moderate
[16:47] <eviljames> mmlj4: Just that they won't stand in favour of serious gun control.
[16:48] <mmlj4> they stand for it, but until now have been unable to enact stringent laws
[16:48] <eviljames> Why is the "healthcare reform" restricted to new ways to let insurance companies fleece consumers, then?
[16:48] <rk4n3> eviljames:  I think the republicans have been drifting left toward the center for quite a while now
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[16:48] <eviljames> Why is government-mandated, single-payer never mentioned?
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[16:49] <mmlj4> "central planning"
[16:49] <InspectorCluseau> yes! ... weneed a government healthcare system like the post office or amtrack
[16:49] <Pig_Pen> it is the nature of governments to usurp more power and authority at the expense of the freedoms & liberties of its nation's citizens
[16:49] <mmlj4> InspectorCluseau: and we're going to get it
[16:50] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: The same post office that can get a package across the country in a couple of days for pennies?
[16:50] <eviljames> That sounds like a problem to me...
[16:50] <mmlj4> whether we want it or not
[16:50] <rk4n3> Pig_Pen:  amen
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[16:50] <InspectorCluseau> the post office loses it's ass
[16:50] <InspectorCluseau> might as well do it for free
[16:50] <antiwire> guys wtf lets talk about nucleatr stuffs not 'dah guvnamint'
[16:50] <mmlj4> the great american experiment died back in january
[16:51] <eviljames> wtf are you smoking?
[16:51] <eviljames> Hopefully you've turned a page on the damage that Nixon and Reagan did to your country.
[16:51] <eviljames> I'd throw Bush Sr. in there if he wasn't such an incompetent.
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[16:51] <mmlj4> reagan? damage? you seriously misunderstand freedom, apparently
[16:52] <mmlj4> anyhow, nice chatting, I'm gone
[16:52] <eviljames> You think encouraging wage slavery is equal to freedom?
[16:52] <rk4n3> eviljames:  hey, don't hold someone's inability to control their bladder against them - oh, wait, that's incontinence...
[16:52] <eviljames> rk4n3: hahaha :P
[16:52] <rk4n3> hehe
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[16:54] <eviljames> Well, hope you guys have fun continuing the legacy of Nixon's health system... anyhow.
[16:54] <eviljames> antiwire: Anything exciting in the nuclear docs?
[16:55] <eviljames> antiwire: It seems like insanely dangerous information to have out in the open...
[16:55] <antiwire> eviljames: yeah there's some nice stuff about reprocessing and enrichment
[16:55] <antiwire> some floor plans, some test procedures
[16:55] <antiwire> it's cool
[16:55] <eviljames> As in, taking nuclear waste and making nuclear fuel?
[16:56] <antiwire> yea, and MOX processing too
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[16:56] <InspectorCluseau> nuclear 'waste' has 97% of the original material in it
[16:56] <antiwire> apparently the US has facilities all over the world that are actively enriching for fuel
[16:57] <antiwire> yes but that original material, while being original, isn't fuel quality
[16:57] <antiwire> all the fuel assemblies are like that
[16:57] <InspectorCluseau> it sure is
[16:57] <antiwire> except for the pebble style
[16:59] <InspectorCluseau> if nuclear subs can run for 25 years before refueling, there must be a way to do it in regular plants
[16:59] <antiwire> there is but it's not cost effective to create a reactor like that for municipal energy needs
[16:59] <antiwire> those sub reactors are very specialized
[16:59] <eviljames> Nor is that anywhere close to the same scale of energy.
[16:59] <eviljames> Powering a sub < powering a city
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[17:02] <antiwire> the nuclear fuel cycle is really complex. there are a number of paths that can be taken after a first pass through a reactor. it just depends on the type of fuel, the type of reactor, and the country doing it.
[17:03] <antiwire> some of the paths actually use more fuel to process the spent stuff
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[17:03] <antiwire> you know I have to wonder if this document was purposely leaked too.
[17:04] <antiwire> almost like a decoy 'yep here's our program layout'
[17:04] <InspectorCluseau> for energy production coal is the way to go. The CO2 produced can now be reletively cheaply be converted to methanol which can be used for other purpoese.
[17:04] <eviljames> COAL? HAHHahashahajhAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
[17:04] <antiwire> lol
[17:04] <antiwire> coal is not the solution at all.
[17:04] <antiwire> you think CO2 is the only problem?
[17:04] <Pig_Pen> maybe misinformation for the iranians
[17:05] <antiwire> coal is straight up dirty.
[17:05] <InspectorCluseau> or coal can be used to produce synthetic oil
[17:05] <eviljames> Oil?!  Gasoline?
[17:05] <eviljames> You think it's smart to BURN fuel?
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[17:05] <InspectorCluseau> burning fuel will be around for a very long time
[17:05] <eviljames> That doesn't mean it's smart.
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[17:06] <InspectorCluseau> the alternative energies are a very small percentage of current use and will take a very long time to be cost effective
[17:07] <eviljames> Do you pay money for propaganda magazines, or just accept what's forcefed?
[17:07] <InspectorCluseau> do you always have your head in the clouds?
[17:07] <eviljames> I'd like to think that the human race is smart enough to work past these issues.
[17:07] <eviljames> So, yes.
[17:08] <antiwire> smart enough yeah, willing enough...not so much it seems so far
[17:08] <InspectorCluseau> you are right. But consider the realistic timeline.
[17:08] <eviljames> I'm hopelessly optimistic that we will prevail, despite people pushing for coal and oil and other already-failed solutions.
[17:08] <InspectorCluseau> we all will be long dead before the issue is resolved
[17:08] <eviljames> That goes for private medicine, too.
[17:09] <InspectorCluseau> from your responses I guess you believe the global warming due to CO2 FUD.
[17:09] <eviljames> Who gives a crap?
[17:09] <antiwire>   whoa now you're the one who brought up CO2 mitigation
[17:09] <eviljames> Whether or not the earth is warming due to CO2 (and _ALL_ serious scientific investigation points that way)
[17:10] <Plee> good night guys :)
[17:10] <eviljames> Does that mean we should continue to destroy our biosphere?
[17:10] <firebird619> night Plee
[17:10] <eviljames> Plee: g'nite!  (or afternoon in my case :P)
[17:10] <firebird619> 16:15 here. :)
[17:10] <InspectorCluseau> I provided the CO2 solution for coal since CO2 is the rallying point for not using coal.
[17:11] <eviljames> Coal is a stupid way to get energy.
[17:11] <eviljames> Along with burning things altogether.
[17:11] <eviljames> Yes, it has a high density of energy, but burning fuel is a pointlessly wasteful process.
[17:11] <eviljames> and hideously inefficient.
[17:12] <InspectorCluseau> converaion of 'fuel' to energy is indeed an ancient metod. But moving away from that is a very sticky wicket
[17:13] <InspectorCluseau> fusion is probably the best solution. But is has been 50 years away from reality for the last 50 years.
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[17:14] <eviljames> Let's consider the last 50 years.
[17:14] <eviljames> And consider the amount of tax dodges and subsidies that have been given to oil/gas/coal
[17:15] <eviljames> I'll have to go find the sauce to validate this, but it's around $700Bln
[17:15] <eviljames> Over the last 50 years.  The amount given to alternative energy research has been (iirc) around $40Bln
[17:15] <InspectorCluseau> I have no argument with eliminating those subsidies
[17:15] <eviljames> Right, but what I'm driving at is that we've dedicated an enormous amount more resources (as a society) to oil/gas/coal than to useful energy.
[17:16] <InspectorCluseau> and  ... yes ... put the money in alternative solutions
[17:16] <eviljames> Obama added some $30Bln to his bailout budget for alternative solutions - THIS YEAR.
[17:16] <InspectorCluseau> again we go back to stupid politicians
[17:16] <eviljames> In a single year, he has come close to doubling all the money for subsidies and research for the last 5 decades.
[17:16] <eviljames> The politicians aren't stupid.  How could you possibly believe that?
[17:16] <InspectorCluseau> that is chump change
[17:16] <eviljames> They may be corrupt, but not stupid.
[17:17] <InspectorCluseau> we need 100 billion now
[17:17] <eviljames> We needed 100 billion 20 years ago.  When that stupid politician Gore was pumping the issue originally.
[17:18] <InspectorCluseau> the money needs to be spent on infrastructure to enable the wind and solar to be expanded
[17:18] <eviljames> But, the corrupt politicians kept handing out favours to those who sponsored their campaigns
[17:18] <eviljames> and buy advertisements in their magazines.
[17:18] <eviljames> The oil/gas/coal lobby.
[17:19] <InspectorCluseau> provide the electrical transport system and the market will provide the power
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[17:19] <eviljames> I don't think that goes far enough.
[17:20] <InspectorCluseau> that's why we need term limits
[17:20] <eviljames> Nor do I think that's the answer.
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[17:20] <eviljames> Term limits serve to punish the good along with the bad.  You need an educated populace.
[17:20] <eviljames> And not this fake 'no child left behind' educated.  I mean a culture shift away from how things feel to how they are.
[17:20] <amazon101> evening everyone
[17:20] <InspectorCluseau> term limits would be a good start. The populace will never get that smart
[17:21] <antiwire> hey btw California is supposed have no cash in 13 days.
[17:21] <InspectorCluseau> good
[17:21] <eviljames> That's not good.
[17:21] <antiwire> eviljames: I'm moving up with you
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[17:21] <amazon101> antiwire: seriously?
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[17:21] <InspectorCluseau> califirnia has done it to themselves
[17:21] <antiwire> amazon101: for reelz
[17:21] <amazon101> they just went bankrupt a few months ago again
[17:21] Nick change: amazon101 -> amazon10x
[17:21] <eviljames> California can't go bankrupt.
[17:22] <Pig_Pen> probably why the government does not mind all the crap and misinformation on TV from tabloid style opinions pawned off as news to the food mfgs that sell processed foods with gobs of sugar and fat
[17:22] <eviljames> Do you know what kind of credit default swap nuclear bomb that will cause?
[17:22] <antiwire> amazon10x: yeah bankrupt and no cash are two different things
[17:22] <eviljames> AIG will need10x the money they've had so far to cover it all.
[17:22] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: These are all parts of the culture that _need_ to change.
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[17:24] <antiwire> the thing with california is it's 'rockstar' type of personality. the state totally kicks ass (economy wise) when things are good and there is solvency but when operations slow down at all it crashes hard like a rockstar going to rehab.
[17:25] <eviljames> That could be easily solved by making a reasonable top marginal tax rate.  (I recognize in saying this that the upper 1% of society _does_ pay some 28-33% of total tax revenue already)
[17:25] <Pig_Pen> california does have a big agriculture industry, lots of veggies grow there, i hauled enough of it cross country
[17:25] <InspectorCluseau> the 'top' earners are leaving cali in droves now
[17:25] <antiwire> yeah california has been and still is experience as mass exodus
[17:25] <eviljames> Oh.  That's especially bad.
[17:25] <antiwire> which just compounds the issue
[17:26] <eviljames> So, basically, the people who can't afford to leave are going to be stuck paying off the largesse of those who are wealthy enough to foot the bill.
[17:26] <antiwire> yep
[17:26] <eviljames> Not to mention, caused the problem.
[17:26] <eviljames> Sounds like the free market to me.
[17:26] <InspectorCluseau> One of the norteastern states jacked up the tax rate on millionaires and have lost 33% of them in the last year
[17:27] <Pig_Pen> if i could not afford to leave in my own car i would catch a train hobo style :D
[17:27] <eviljames> Therein lies the problem with '100% free market' - it's rife for abuse.
[17:27] <InspectorCluseau> went from 3000 to 2000. Some from less income but most just moved out
[17:27] <antiwire> eviljames: rape while the raping is good
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[17:27] <eviljames> antiwire: If you have a solid education and some money, come to Canada.
[17:27] <antiwire> eviljames: I do and I just might
[17:28] <amazon10x> eviljames: what's in canada?
[17:28] <eviljames> amazon10x: Pretty much everything that's in America, plus sanity.
[17:28] <InspectorCluseau> cold
[17:28] <antiwire> amazon10x: massive amounts of natural resources and project getting at those.
[17:28] <eviljames> oh, and lots of Cold.
[17:28] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: Except, I live in Vancouver, which is pretty much a temperate rainforest.  It never gets cold here.
[17:28] <InspectorCluseau> what does heat cost in Canada
[17:29] <amazon10x> eviljames: do you have deadly spiders there and other creepy crawlies?
[17:29] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: I moved here from Edmonton, which is bordering on the plains, the mountains and the tundra.  -40 for weeks at a time, -30 for months.
[17:29] <InspectorCluseau> lots of bears ... moose ...
[17:29] <InspectorCluseau> C or F
[17:29] <eviljames> amazon10x: Too cold for most bugs.  Same with rats.
[17:29] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: -40 C = -40 F
[17:30] <InspectorCluseau> we get that here too
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[17:30] <antiwire> InspectorCluseau: energy costs are under control as far as I know. If people aren't able to afford heat they will die.
[17:30] <InspectorCluseau> in Minnesota
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[17:30] <eviljames> antiwire: Energy costs are regulated in most parts of Canada, usually energy is provided by a state-owned corporation w/o any competition.
[17:30] <eviljames> I pay $35 every 3 months for power/heat and water.
[17:31] <InspectorCluseau> I'm moving!
[17:31] <firebird619> InspectorCluseau: In the winters we get that. Summer's are hot and humid.
[17:31] <antiwire> eviljames: many Americans freak out about that concept ;)
[17:31] <antiwire> eviljames: 'omgz socialist!! wtfgtfo'
[17:31] <eviljames> antiwire: That's because they've been propagandized to believe that 'government is stupid' and 'regulations are wrong'.  Neither is true, of course...
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[17:31] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: Minn is pretty close to Alberta in terms of climate.  Alberta is a free marketeer's dream, too.  It's the Conservative province :P
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[17:32] <antiwire> eviljames: I've always been a proponent of hybrid systems. Some aspects should be more socialized while others don't need that type of setup.
[17:32] <amazon10x> eviljames: really? maybe i'll check that out
[17:32] <eviljames> antiwire: I agree.  There is a balance to be struck in most things.
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[17:33] <InspectorCluseau> my 'energy' costs average about $200 a month on an annual basis
[17:33] <eviljames> WTF
[17:33] <eviljames> do you have a 6 bedroom house or something like that?
[17:33] <amazon10x> i think my house is around that or maybe closer to 300 or 400
[17:33] <amazon10x> but there's like 8 people living here or something
[17:34] <dtanner> yeah mine too , about 200 bucks a month. maybe a *little* less
[17:34] <eviljames> What kind of palaces are you guys living in?
[17:34] <InspectorCluseau> no ... elec averages about $65 and winter heating costs about $1800
[17:34] <amazon10x> eviljames: tiny house. but like i said, bunch of people in it
[17:35] <InspectorCluseau> in the Norteast states you can double that easily
[17:35] <eviljames> amazon10x: ahh, that'll drive the electricity costs up.
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[17:36] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: Also, for Vancouver at least, 95% of our energy is generated hydroelectric.
[17:36] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: s/Vancouver/British Columbia/
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[17:36] <InspectorCluseau> wish one could generate energy ffrom COLD
[17:36] <eviljames> hahaha if only!
[17:36] <InspectorCluseau> need a xero point unit
[17:37] <InspectorCluseau> zero point
[17:37] <InspectorCluseau> our energy comes frfom coal/gas and Canadian oil
[17:38] <eviljames> It sure does.  Canada is the #1 place that America imports oil from.
[17:38] <eviljames> (btw, please don't end your dependence on foreign oil!)
[17:38] <paissad> hi guys
[17:38] <firebird619> hi
[17:38] <amazon10x> hi
[17:38] <InspectorCluseau> the new gas from the Dakotas will eventually help
[17:39] <paissad> where vim's slackbuild is located ? (a,ap,d ..... ?)
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[17:39] <pri4pus> paissad: read slackbook
[17:39] <pri4pus> http://www.slackbook.org/
[17:40] <paissad> damn it ... i don't really need to read again slackook to know where is locate vim's package .... if i had the iso package, i would i have searche with 'find' command
[17:40] <paissad> so would you like to tell it to me if you know ?
[17:40] <paissad> :-)
[17:40] <amazon10x> paissad: check AP
[17:40] <firebird619> paissad: It's in ap
[17:40] <paissad> ok thanks
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[17:42] <eviljames> antiwire: What sort of things do you place where on the spectrum of public/private ?
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[17:42] <eviljames> antiwire: If you don't mind my prying, that is.
[17:43] <antiwire> eviljames: I'll answer at risk of starting another flame
[17:43] <antiwire> ;)
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[17:43] Action: firebird619 gets out the flame thrower. ;)
[17:43] <Pig_Pen> elvis
[17:43] <amazon10x> is alive
[17:44] <Pig_Pen> yup, alive and editing text in slackware
[17:44] <eviljames> antiwire: We had a flamewar?
[17:44] <antiwire> well there's at least one a day
[17:44] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: Did I flame you at any point, or just call the concepts names?
[17:44] <antiwire> not saying you and I have it
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[17:44] <InspectorCluseau> I know NOTHING!
[17:45] <eviljames> Ben Bernanke, is that you?!
[17:45] <antiwire> I think energy distribution, health, education, water distribution, emergency services should be public.
[17:45] <mmlj4> we know THAT! # kidding
[17:45] <InspectorCluseau> no ... Geithner
[17:45] Action: cmk_zzz_ brings out the water boarding equipment
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[17:45] <amazon10x> PREPOSTEROUS. GET HIM
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[17:45] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: hahah I strongly doubt that Geithner is a know-nothing.  I can see "hopelessly corrupt" but idiot, not likely :D
[17:46] <InspectorCluseau> he is just a puppet
[17:46] <eviljames> Whose puppet, then?
[17:46] <eviljames> antiwire: I'll drill it down even further: Healthcare, Infrastructure, Education and Defense.
[17:46] <InspectorCluseau> the Obamnator
[17:47] <antiwire> eviljames: I agree there
[17:47] <eviljames> antiwire: National Parks, Emergency Services are split issues, (Healthcare/Infrastructure and Defense/Infrastructure respectively)
[17:47] <antiwire> yes
[17:47] <antiwire> speaking of that break down...california is now in kill it off mode with the parks services too
[17:47] <eviljames> Environmental regulation and business regulation can both be fit under infrastructure as well, imho.
[17:48] <antiwire> I agree on those two also
[17:48] <cmk_zzz_> money transaction sortof fit under infrastructure as well;)
[17:48] <eviljames> cmk_zzz_: ie: banking?
[17:48] <amazon10x> quick question. /dev, /proc, and /sys are all completely populated on boot, right?
[17:48] <InspectorCluseau> I think the government should just supply the infrastructure like it did with the national hiway system. The market will do the rest
[17:48] <antiwire> amazon10x: yes
[17:48] <eviljames> amazon10x: Provided that the necessary entries in fstab are there, yes.
[17:48] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: s/will/can/ <- there's an important distinction there.
[17:49] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: The market will act in promotion of the self to the detriment of all others in every circumstance.  That's why we regulate.
[17:49] <InspectorCluseau> provide the grid and the energy will appear
[17:49] <eviljames> Well, California (Enron) is a great example of why Energy MUST be regulated.
[17:50] <cmk_zzz_> eviljames: Not really. I think if you put the important things you mentioned above into public services then the rest will come right
[17:50] <eviljames> amazon10x: and /dev is populated by udev, not fstab (my mistake)
[17:50] <InspectorCluseau> what's the GDP of Canada per person compared to the US?
[17:50] <amazon10x> okay, thanks. i'm wokring on making a template for openvz (a glorified chroot basically)
[17:51] <InspectorCluseau> I'm just asking ... I don't have a clue
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[17:51] <antiwire> btw I just measured up my studio apartment ~250sqr ft
[17:51] <eviljames> cmk_zzz_: Sorry, there's something I missed in that statement.. The rest /can/ come, for sure.  But it won't necessarily.
[17:51] <eviljames> Maybe I read it wrong?
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[17:52] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: Good question.  Are we factoring in the fake GDP caused by megamillionaires on wall street?
[17:52] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: Or are we going to look at the (much harder to calculate) real GDP caused by "main st"
[17:52] <cmk_zzz_> GDP is a lousy measurement of anything really
[17:53] <eviljames> I think InspectorCluseau is driving at productive output.
[17:53] <InspectorCluseau> which 'socialist' regime has a GDP per person as the US?
[17:53] <antiwire> here's a mind blower...last i checked Canada had around 34million total population?
[17:53] <rk4n3> ... but its productive output measured only in market value, which I agree with cmk_zzz_ is not necessarily as meaningful as alternatives could be
[17:54] <eviljames> antiwire: Approx, yes.
[17:54] <antiwire> California alone has ~33million
[17:54] <antiwire> how sick is that
[17:54] <eviljames> antiwire: Mexico City has about the same.
[17:54] <eviljames> Not Mexico the country.
[17:54] <antiwire> right
[17:54] <eviljames> How sick is _that_
[17:54] <eviljames> heh
[17:54] <antiwire> lol
[17:55] <InspectorCluseau> take the US 'consumer' out of the picture and where would the global GDP be?
[17:55] <eviljames> rk4n3: I don't think much of economics as a field, so my opinion isn't really meaningful either?
[17:56] <InspectorCluseau> China would fold up like a cheap tent
[17:56] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: How about this, if all the resources spent creating products for the american consumer were put to beter use, how much better off would the world be?
[17:56] <eviljames> s/beter/better/
[17:56] <InspectorCluseau> very much
[17:56] <rk4n3> eviljames:  I wouldn't say that - your opinion is meaningful or not based on its content, not on its influence :)
[17:57] <InspectorCluseau> I do not agree at all with the idea of basing an economy on consumption
[17:57] <rk4n3> eviljames:  that was a fair question
[17:57] <InspectorCluseau> I feel cheated with the destruction of the American manufacturing industries
[17:58] <eviljames> You should.
[17:58] <InspectorCluseau> but when cost alone is the driving force we see the results
[17:58] <eviljames> And it can ALL be traced back to Nixon / Reagan.
[17:59] <eviljames> The cutting of the top marginal tax rate from 74% to ~40% (that is, income over 300G's) is the source.
[17:59] <InspectorCluseau> no ... it is the US 'consumers' fault
[17:59] <eviljames> It all went downhill from there.  With a high top marginal tax rate, the upper executives of the company have no reason to pump up their own wage (or income)
[17:59] <InspectorCluseau> chasing the 'jonses'
[17:59] <eviljames> 75c of each dollar just goes to the gov't.  pointless.  So instead that money is invested in R&D
[18:00] <eviljames> Suddenly, things change, R&D drops off, and cost cutting becomes key.  They say it's for 'efficiency', but in reality each extra dollar the company makes is an extra dollar for the top executives.
[18:00] <rk4n3> eviljames:  don't forget the shareholders
[18:00] <eviljames> Why are all the products we have now the exact same as what we had in the past (excepting, of course, the internet)
[18:00] <InspectorCluseau> now the govmint will provide cheap cars
[18:00] <Pig_Pen> wow, enlightenment released a 1.0  i think hell just froze
[18:00] <eviljames> WTF
[18:01] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: WTF WTF WTF?!  No way.
[18:01] <antiwire> that's right and what is the primary goal of a corporation? maximize stockholder wealth.
[18:01] <eviljames> rk4n3: Believe me, I don't.
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[18:01] <Pig_Pen> check out the distrowatch packagelist in the left hand column
[18:03] <antiwire> http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/
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[18:03] <Pig_Pen> e16-1.0
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[18:04] <firebird619> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/enlightenment/e16-1.0.0.tar.gz
[18:04] <Pig_Pen> i would build it but i am not going to trash my clean slackware install with all the wierd dependencies it requires
[18:04] <antiwire> now what I want to know is what exactly was the commit that made them feel that it was time for 1.0 instead of 0.9.99910
[18:05] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: The government doesn't have a lot of choices with the failed american auto industry.  But it's time to demolish that whole sector, retool it and put it to productive use.
[18:06] Action: eviljames is wanting revolutionary change.
[18:06] <InspectorCluseau> General Mistakes needed to go a long time ago
[18:07] <eviljames> hahah
[18:07] <firebird619> lol
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[18:08] <eviljames> I was on a fishing trip last year w/ family, and I called all of this stuff.  I told my dad (who works for Chrysler) that his company was going bankrupt, I said GM would fall.
[18:08] <eviljames> But I was _HAMMERED_
[18:08] <eviljames> like some kind of stinking drunk, and talking out my ass.  They were all laughing and calling me a commie.
[18:08] <InspectorCluseau> I was a certified mechanic back in the day and GM had the worst crap
[18:08] <InspectorCluseau> Chrysler was second
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[18:09] <InspectorCluseau> But then i was around when Studebaker was still selling cars ...
[18:10] <InspectorCluseau> I even owned an Edsel
[18:11] <InspectorCluseau> I had the most fun with that car
[18:11] <eviljames> Did you sell it to the smithsonian when you were done?
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[18:11] <eviljames> ;)
[18:11] <InspectorCluseau> :)
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[18:11] <firebird619> Greetings NyteOwl
[18:12] <NyteOwl> hi
[18:12] <InspectorCluseau> I ran it into the ground and junked it. I was a teenager then and it had a 300 HP engine
[18:12] <NyteOwl> TIA: NyteOwl is in a bad mood
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[18:13] <eviljames> NyteOwl: dare we ask, whyfor?
[18:13] <InspectorCluseau> I pulled the auto out and put in a three speed. What a hot machine.
[18:13] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: please.  stop... I'm starting to uncomfortably affected by this car.  and I'm at the office atm.
[18:13] <NyteOwl> eviljames: it's a long list and flooding isn't allowed :p
[18:13] <Pig_Pen> enlightenment just built all i had to install was imlib2, i am about to log in it and see
[18:13] Action: eviljames can dream of having a sweet ride like that...
[18:13] <firebird619> NyteOwl: Pastebin. :P
[18:13] <eviljames> hahaha
[18:14] <NyteOwl> I see MS is at it again ... http://www.milner.ca/article/mircosoft-injects-vulnerability-into-firefox
[18:14] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: cool, I was just about to do the same, build and check it out.
[18:14] <firebird619> I have imlib2 installed already.
[18:14] <NyteOwl> what car?
[18:14] <eviljames> straterra: ping?
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[18:15] <antiwire> uh oh
[18:15] <InspectorCluseau> I didn't think to change the rear end, so I could do 60 in low and 90 in second. Never wound it out in third but could it lay rubber!
[18:15] <antiwire> here we go
[18:15] <Pig_Pen> seems to run ok (so far so good) i have not used E in a long long time
[18:16] <antiwire> that link looks a bit more ominous than the other summaries I've read about the MS plugin. straterra is it bunk? I didn't think that it required some crazy steps like that
[18:16] <eviljames> That's precisely why I pinged him.
[18:17] <antiwire> I don't have a windows system to check this out on
[18:17] <NyteOwl> antiwire: if you install the new update MS made available, all you have to do is downlaod it, run the update, click uninstall from the FF extehsions dialog and restart FF
[18:17] <antiwire> ah
[18:17] <NyteOwl> The long instructions were for before MS made the new uopdate available
[18:18] <antiwire> ooh
[18:18] <firebird619> At, I think E3, Asus showed a netbook with android on it, then an Asus person was on stage with an M$ person, the next day or later or something, Asus apologized for showing the android netbook. :P
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[18:19] <NyteOwl> companies that try and hijack my systems piss me off
[18:19] <NyteOwl> and I was pissed off to start with
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[18:22] <eviljames> The article mentions that it may have even been illegal... I don't know if it's quite that bad, but it certainly is unethical
[18:22] <InspectorCluseau> Well MS knows whats best for you
[18:23] <eviljames> If it wasn't an obvious, overt attack before, then that article certainly frames it as such.
[18:23] <InspectorCluseau> in the article I read it makes it very clear that Windows is owned by MS and not you, so they can do whatever they want
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[18:24] <eviljames> That's technically correct.  You just license the right to use it.
[18:24] <eviljames> Not to copy/modify or own.
[18:25] <InspectorCluseau> they can even terminate your use remotely
[18:25] <rk4n3> ... but their ownership of Windows doesn't extend to your data, access to it, or even affect to your privacy while using it
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[18:25] <eviljames> rk4n3: s/doesn't/shouldn't/
[18:25] <NyteOwl> ttrue enough howewver Firefox they do NOT own and they do NOT have tghe right to upload to my machine without my permission
[18:25] <rk4n3> eviljames:  good point, I guess
[18:25] <NyteOwl> let alone alter other apps
[18:26] <Camarade_Tux>  =)
[18:26] <firebird619> Hey Camarade_Tux
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[18:26] <Camarade_Tux> hey firebird619 :)  doing well ?
[18:27] <firebird619> yes, doing very well, thanks. Yourself?
[18:27] <InspectorCluseau> read the EULA and I think you'll see thay have all the bases covered
[18:27] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, doing well too, not working on tomorrow :)
[18:27] <Camarade_Tux> what software where you talking about ?
[18:28] <InspectorCluseau> I have a copy of the original XP beta ... upgraded to SP2 ... and the EULA seems to have disappeared
[18:28] <NyteOwl> InspectorCluseau: the EULA does NOT cover materieal the end user is NOT informed about, especially when it alters applications NOT owned by Microsoft
[18:29] <NyteOwl> as thei was not an erro but a deliberate act, they cannot claim accidental activity
[18:29] <NyteOwl> anyway - just another typical BS move by Gates&Co
[18:30] <InspectorCluseau> MS pushes the envlope all the time
[18:31] <rk4n3> heh - they have to keep us on our toes :)
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[18:31] <straterra> eviljames: pong
[18:31] <InspectorCluseau> in time MS will fall over on it's own
[18:31] <straterra> antiwire: It's bunk
[18:31] <straterra> It USED to be like that
[18:31] <antiwire> ah
[18:32] <straterra> Microsoft installed it as a system wide plugin, which prevented individual users from removing it
[18:32] <SuN> InspectorCluseau: question is: will you live to see it?
[18:32] <InspectorCluseau> slowly many large users and groups are getting tired of the BS
[18:32] <straterra> They changed the installed so that it installs for each user
[18:32] <straterra> So, a user can easily remove it
[18:32] <InspectorCluseau> Me? ... most likely not
[18:32] <straterra> Microsoft isn't going anywhere
[18:33] <InspectorCluseau> MS is like a melting glacier
[18:33] <straterra> Too many people use it
[18:34] <straterra> It's the dominant market share for a reason
[18:34] <eviljames> straterra: ahh, that's why I had ping'd above.
[18:34] <SuN> It's the dominant market share because it's the dominant market share.
[18:34] <eviljames> straterra: You had the expert (that is, researched) opinion the other day...
[18:34] <straterra> eviljames: I know :P
[18:34] <NyteOwl> it has the dominant market share becasue of inertia
[18:35] <eviljames> Well, that and backwards binary compatibility
[18:35] <eviljames> That helps a lot.
[18:35] <NyteOwl> however one must realize that interia is a tendency, not an absolute :)
[18:35] <InspectorCluseau> The original dominance was necessary. But the intervening stranglehold was/is almost criminal
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[18:35] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: It was found to be criminal.  They paid the fine.
[18:35] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: In Microsoft coupons, of course.
[18:35] <InspectorCluseau> a pittance
[18:35] <InspectorCluseau> cost of doing 'business'
[18:35] <eviljames> Not even cash, coupons for more MS products hahahah... way to oversee that monopoly!
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[18:36] <StevenR> mmmm. monopoly.
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[18:36] <StevenR> eviljames: you landed on mayfair, where I have a hotel. rent is 1000 GBP please.
[18:37] <InspectorCluseau> it has never really been a true monopoly since there has always been alternatives
[18:37] <eviljames> StevenR: Damn, that means I'll have to mortgage some property :(
[18:37] <InspectorCluseau> Banks for example used OS2 for a long time
[18:37] <StevenR> eviljames: BUWAAHAHAHAHAHA.
[18:38] <NyteOwl> SteveR: are your politicos into the "wacky tobaccy" again? Bannign fire extinguishers as a fire hazard?
[18:38] <StevenR> NyteOwl: hmm?
[18:39] <NyteOwl> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3525380.ece
[18:39] <NyteOwl> they don't want "untrained people" tryiung to put out fires
[18:40] <NyteOwl> instead of having a tenet putout a small fire now, they'de rather te fire department come 5-10 minuteds later and try to extinguishe it after the whole building is on fire
[18:40] <NyteOwl> all politicians have their ehads upt heir arses
[18:41] <NyteOwl> I know it's an old article but some of us are slow to discover such imbecility
[18:42] <NyteOwl> I thought ourt politicians were bad. they just ban anything we can use for self defense. I guess Fire Extingushers are enxt heh
[18:42] <StevenR> NyteOwl: it's the Health And Safety retardedness. It's not the politicians.
[18:42] <eviljames> NyteOwl: I won't prod you, due to the aforementioned mood, but it's rare to find an actual stupid politician.  It's the electorate that's stupid.
[18:42] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: Did you update the other deps of enlightenment to their latest as well, or just stick with the ones from SBo?
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[18:43] <NyteOwl> eviljames: coem up here - I can show you hundreds if not thousands of stupid politicians
[18:43] <eviljames> Define here?
[18:43] Action: eviljames is canuck
[18:43] <kitche> o kde 4.2 is done now
[18:43] <kitche> kde 4.2.4 was the last release in that line
[18:43] <StevenR> NyteOwl: it's a different bunch of people. Like the people in the local authority that have basically banned 4-gang extensions.
[18:43] <jeev> 4.2 is elite
[18:43] <NyteOwl> Canada in general, Nova SCotia in particular. Though other provicnes are the same - and most states
[18:44] <jeev> how do you check the version installed? ls /var/log/packages ?
[18:44] <eviljames> NyteOwl: Now, nobody ever said nova scotia was good at voting :P
[18:44] <jeev> or is there a version flag, current has 4.2.3 i guess
[18:45] <NyteOwl> eviljames: the point is it doesn;t matter who you vote for - the colour of the party banners is different but they're all self-serving synchophantic imbeciles
[18:45] <NyteOwl> they give not one iota for anything but an easy job - fat paycheck and plump pension
[18:45] <eviljames> NyteOwl: If you want, I'd take this to pm (already had a debate, and the chan is still on topic atm) but I'd debate you all the way.
[18:45] <NyteOwl> and whatever payola they can get away with
[18:46] <NyteOwl> eviljames: I'll shut up. it's a useless debate anyway as nothing will change for the better anyway
[18:46] <zGhost> I'm not sure what to think about KDE 4
[18:47] <NyteOwl> this country is becoming one that is ruled, not governed and the US is getting that way as well
[18:47] Action: InspectorCluseau is waiting for KDE 4.5 or so
[18:47] <NyteOwl> if not worse in soem ways already
[18:47] Action: NyteOwl shuts up
[18:47] <eviljames> NyteOwl: Certainly not with that attitude.  Democracy is about personal action, if you're going to just complain and not get up and do something nothing will happen.
[18:48] <NyteOwl> eviljames: democracy? since when have we ahd true democracy? LOL it's an autocracy hiding behind the skirts of democracy. I used to believe otherwise but over the eyars have watched it change and peek out through6t the cracks.
[18:49] <eviljames> NyteOwl: hehehe careful, we're starting to debate :D
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[18:49] <NyteOwl> you're right about doing soemthing - though short of starting a revolution there's not muchn one can do - and I'm not in any condition to be on the barriccadesanymore :)
[18:50] <Aldaron> talking about usa? It's not a multiparty democracy, that's what's wrong with it
[18:50] <NyteOwl> Aldaron: Canada actually but it applies to the UAS as well
[18:50] <eviljames> Aldaron: Canada.
[18:50] <Aldaron> right :)
[18:50] <NyteOwl> actually the US is more open about it
[18:51] <eviljames> I think it's fair to define the USA as a plutocracy.
[18:51] <eviljames> Not that it isn't a multiparty democracy or anything else, it's very simply a plutocracy.  As long as Americans keep accepting that, let alone endorsing it as they have for the last 30 years, it will stay that way.
[18:51] <NyteOwl> here the popualtion is ind enial becasue as much respect as I have for this peaceful loving country, most of it's citizens would prefer to go through life wearing rose colour glasses, oblivious to the truth is it was the elast bit uncomfortable
[18:52] <eviljames> NyteOwl: This country was founded on Peace, Order and Good Governance.
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[18:52] <NyteOwl> we haven 2 of three
[18:52] <eviljames> We have the peace & order part... sadly, our current government does not quite qualify for the third.
[18:52] <Aldaron> eviljames: a two-party democracy just isn't multiparty. The system in usa is practically preventing a third party ever getting significant power
[18:52] <NyteOwl> unfortuantely the lack of 3 can restryo 1 and 2
[18:53] <Pig_Pen> the soapbox and ballotbox do not do any good, all that is left is the ammo box
[18:53] <NyteOwl> eviljames: it also matters HOW you achiueve peace and order
[18:53] <NyteOwl> not justthat they simply exist
[18:54] <NyteOwl> you have exempalry peace and order, and even good governance, in a dictatorship. doesn;t eman it's good or right for the people that live under it
[18:54] <NyteOwl> annnnnyyywaaaayyyyyyy
[18:54] <InspectorCluseau> N Korea meets that
[18:55] <NyteOwl> now that I've likely been labelled as subversive heh
[18:55] <eviljames> Aldaron: It's neither.  It is simply a system designed for the rich.
[18:55] <InspectorCluseau> peace ... order ... good governance
[18:55] <Aldaron> N Korea, good governance?
[18:55] <InspectorCluseau> lol
[18:55] <InspectorCluseau> yes ... Kim governs very well
[18:55] <InspectorCluseau> no dissdence there
[18:56] <InspectorCluseau> you eat the bark and keep quiet
[18:56] <eviljames> NK is a disaster about to happen.
[18:56] <Aldaron> well, you might have a different set of criteria for good governance ;-)
[18:57] <Pig_Pen> if china was smart they would kick NK's ass and give it back to SK
[18:57] <InspectorCluseau> NK is like a kid throwing a tantrum
[18:57] <eviljames> InspectorCluseau: a kid throwing a nuclear tantrum... sounds dangerous.
[18:57] <eviljames> Especially an increasingly insane dictator who is on the brink of death himself...
[18:58] <InspectorCluseau> Kim knows his country would be leveled if he invaded or really threatened anyone
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[18:58] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: China just broke off diplomatic relations to NK... which (if I read it right, and I hope I don't) means they won't be receiving food shipments anytime soon.
[18:58] <Aldaron> no official dissidence, but then the prisons are full of people for the slightest hint of dissidence
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[18:59] <InspectorCluseau> then it's easy to stay out of prison in NK
[18:59] <InspectorCluseau> kiss ass and move on
[18:59] <eviljames> That sounds like my strategy for staying out of gitmo.
[18:59] <eviljames> Being a commie, and all ;)
[18:59] <Pig_Pen> i wonder how many citizens in NK sneak out of the country
[18:59] <Pig_Pen> every year
[19:00] <Aldaron> Not many succeed
[19:00] <InspectorCluseau> few
[19:00] <Pig_Pen> prison nation
[19:00] <InspectorCluseau> the last NK person with balls stole and flew a jst to the south
[19:00] <InspectorCluseau> jet
[19:00] <eviljames> So, North Korea says that any new sanctions against it will be considered an act of war.  What do we think of that?
[19:01] <eviljames> Not only that, they refuse to recognize the validity of the UNSC.
[19:01] <Pig_Pen> crazy bunch of fools on their last gallon of gas
[19:02] <InspectorCluseau> NK has 13000 artillery aimed at the south
[19:02] <eviljames> How many people live in Seoul?
[19:02] <InspectorCluseau> they could drop 13000 shells on Seol (sp) at one time
[19:02] <Pig_Pen> do they have the ammo for all those big guns
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[19:03] <InspectorCluseau> one each
[19:03] <Pig_Pen> lol
[19:03] <InspectorCluseau> like Barney Fife
[19:04] <Pig_Pen> this isnt the 1950's anymore the newer tech we have now i think the usa & sk will win easier since china is not interested in helping nk anymore
[19:04] <InspectorCluseau> They will deliver their 'nuke' with a Toyota truck
[19:04] <cmk_zzz_> Well, you can fight without weapons. Like the soviets during wwii. 1 rifle/person. Front line gets the gun, back-row pick up guns from fallen heroes. Thats resource efficient!
[19:04] <InspectorCluseau> it only takes 2 weeks to get their 'big missle' ready to fire
[19:05] <cmk_zzz_> err. 1 rifle / 4 persons that is
[19:06] <InspectorCluseau> their long dong missle
[19:07] <InspectorCluseau> we need to keep them pissed so they continue to waste their 'nukes' underground
[19:08] <antiwire> is anyone else getting pr0n0 spam right now?
[19:08] <jeev> antiwire, your spam hasn't reached me yet
[19:08] Action: nooper got some scat ads
[19:08] <jeev> lol
[19:09] <jeev> and you're keeping them, moving them to your scat folder
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[19:10] <InspectorCluseau> hopefully there will be an above ground 'nuke' explosion that takes out their factory
[19:10] <Pig_Pen> idont look at spam long enough to even know what it is, i dont read the subject line or the sender and hit the "delete all" button as soon as the page loads
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[19:10] <antiwire> ...I'm not talking about email spam
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[19:10] <Pig_Pen> IRC spam?
[19:10] <antiwire> yes
[19:10] <InspectorCluseau> what other spam is there?
[19:11] <antiwire> ...
[19:11] <antiwire> seriously...
[19:11] <Pig_Pen> nope, antiwire starts with an a, it will be a while before they get to P
[19:11] <antiwire> InspectorCluseau: are you really an inspector because man..i dunno
[19:11] <InspectorCluseau> never had any IRC spam
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[19:12] <InspectorCluseau> other than idiot crap in the room
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[19:13] <thumbs> drive-by spam. It's common.
[19:13] <thumbs> they join, /notice a bunch of ops / active users, and part.
[19:13] <antiwire> yea
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[19:13] <NyteOwl> heh i never get that crap
[19:14] <zGhost> It is quite common on EFnet
[19:14] <antiwire> it's a drive by spamming and I got hit!
[19:14] <InspectorCluseau> the Obamanator has just created a Czar to fix that
[19:14] <NyteOwl> so put the smap on the barby, dig out the bullseye, open a case of cold beer and enjoy heh
[19:14] <antiwire> EFnet is like the Afghanistan of IRC
[19:15] <antiwire> there are no rules.
[19:15] <BP{k}> antiwire: what does that make DALnet then?
[19:15] <antiwire> hahah
[19:15] <antiwire> BP{k}: Iraq
[19:15] <NyteOwl> BP{k}: east LA
[19:15] <antiwire> lol
[19:15] <BP{k}> LOL
[19:15] <zGhost> DALnet is full of east asian hermaphrodites and shemales looking for sex
[19:15] <jeev> dalnet is nasty
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[19:16] <Pig_Pen> i figured they would log in to an irc server, and start a script that sends a spam message alphabetically from a nicklist
[19:16] <BP{k}> much like east La?
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[19:16] <Necos> ...
[19:16] <NyteOwl> I just set mode +E when I log on
[19:16] <Necos> there aren't very many asians in east la >.>
[19:16] <Pig_Pen> lots of mexicans
[19:16] <NyteOwl> I use +R on Dalnet
[19:16] <Necos> >.>
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[19:17] <jeev> necos, you're in LA eh or valley
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[19:17] <Pig_Pen> lots of mexicans in texas & oklahoma too, where i work there are lots of mexicans, there ok people
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[19:17] <Necos> i'm in central la (koreatown)
[19:17] <lf4> Has anyone used wvdial with rfcomm and hcitool?
[19:17] <Necos> weee! netslpit
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[19:17] <jeev> ahh koreatown
[19:17] <firebird619> Hey lf4, how's it going?
[19:17] <jeev> i'm in burbank right now
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[19:18] <Necos> lol
[19:18] <jeev> from glendale baby!
[19:18] <Necos> i'll be in north hollywood in an hr or so
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[19:18] <jeev> noho heh
[19:18] <Necos> i'm taking my linear algebra final at LAVC
[19:18] <lf4> Hey firebird619 its going well just trying to get my phone to be a modem for my laptop. :P How are things there?
[19:18] <jeev> cool, i went to valley for a semester
[19:18] <jeev> that one is the best school
[19:18] <antiwire> you freakin' SoCalers too
[19:18] <firebird619> lf4: things are excellent, thanks.
[19:18] <Necos> it statrs at 6
[19:18] <jeev> next to GCC
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[19:18] <jeev> glendale community colelge rules
[19:18] <antiwire> we just had a whole talk about California
[19:18] <Necos> not really, SMC is better IMO
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[19:19] <hitest> firebird619: how are you, man?
[19:19] <antiwire> eviljames said I could move in with him and hist hawt girlfriend
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[19:19] <antiwire> I said ok
[19:19] <lf4> good to hear firebird619 :) what have you been up to?
[19:19] <Necos> then again, that might because i love asian exchange students ;)
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[19:19] <Necos> and i don't have to drive up laurel canyon to get there...
[19:19] <firebird619> Hey hitest, I'm doing excellent, thanks. yourself?
[19:19] <firebird619> lf4: nothing much really, sure had some great weather here lately.
[19:20] <NyteOwl> antiwire: careful she isn't too hot. melted plastic can be painful and smelly
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[19:20] <antiwire> haha
[19:20] <firebird619> lol
[19:20] <Necos> that sounds kinda... interesting...
[19:20] <hitest> firebird619: awesome. ty.  It is hot and sunny here. a fantastic day:)
[19:20] <lf4> firebird619: Haha thats great to hear :)
[19:21] <jeev> necos, go to glendale college
[19:21] <jeev> but pcc has a lot of asians, it's all asians
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[19:22] <hitest> be back in 15 minutes...stepping out for a bit
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[19:23] Action: NyteOwl just entered two contests - niot that winning is likely
[19:23] <Necos> lol
[19:23] <firebird619> NyteOwl: you never know.
[19:23] <Necos> i'm black, they'll all be scared jeev
[19:23] <Necos> ^^
[19:23] <jeev> no
[19:23] <jeev> i've seen a lot there.
[19:23] <jeev> same at gcc
[19:23] <NyteOwl> nice prizes though
[19:23] <Necos> lol
[19:24] <jeev> im serious
[19:24] <Necos> that's too far for my liking tho
[19:24] <NyteOwl> worth the couple of minutes it took
[19:24] <jeev> PCC is off the 110
[19:24] <Necos> koreatown to glendale is a bitch
[19:24] <jeev> no, pasadena
[19:24] <Necos> PCC is the same tho
[19:24] <jeev> ahh, koreatown is not near chinatown
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[19:24] <Necos> NE bound is 2 sets of traffic that i don't wanna pass lol
[19:24] <Necos> koreatown is about 9 mi away >.>
[19:25] <jeev> oh koreatown is by, uh.. go down vermont all the way eh/
[19:25] <jeev> yea it is, my bad
[19:25] <jeev> it's like olympic, was confusing it for chinatown
[19:25] <Necos> ewww, that means you have to hit hillhurst and pass griffith park...
[19:25] <Necos> that's suicide
[19:26] <Necos> it's only good if you go in the morning
[19:26] <jeev> dont mess with glendale
[19:26] <Necos> GCC and PCC are too far away to be viable options
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[19:26] <Necos> LAVC is about an hr away
[19:27] <Necos> SMC is 12 minutes away ^_~
[19:27] <jeev> ahh
[19:27] <Necos> just hop on the 10W and in like flynn
[19:27] <jeev> you need to move out of that traffic stuff
[19:28] <Necos> i work in koreatown, why would i move? i live ~2mi away
[19:28] <jeev> 2 miles away from what
[19:28] <jeev> oh yea sorry
[19:29] <Necos> it's like 10min to work in the mornin
[19:29] <jeev> didnt notice you said you work there
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[19:29] <Necos> lol
[19:29] <jeev> i used to have servers in on eof those buildings
[19:29] <jeev> when i was 16
[19:29] <Necos> if i could move anywhere, i'd move further west, so i'd be driving east in the mornin
[19:29] Action: Gatto good night
[19:30] <Necos> and west on the way home
[19:30] <jeev> night
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[19:30] <Necos> but i'll be taking classes at LAVS and CSUN in fall, so it'll be a lot of driving
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[19:31] <Necos> 2k for classes fails :(
[19:31] <Necos> unless FAFSA kicks in, but with all the budget cuts, i doubt it
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[19:32] <Necos> jeev, you know where LA High is?
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[19:33] <amazon10x> i'm about to tar up my whole filesystem to transfer elsewhere. the command i'm using is `tar czf /slack.tgz --exclude /slack.tgz --exclude /sys --exclude /proc --exclude /dev --exclude /lib/udev /`
[19:33] <jeev> no
[19:33] <jeev> i'm sure i've seen it from a helicopter view on the news before
[19:33] <jeev> ;)
[19:33] <amazon10x> are there any magical flags i should add to this, or will it work fine as is
[19:33] <Necos> >.>
[19:33] Action: Necos stabs jeev
[19:33] <jeev> you know hoover? we had like a death per year.. stupid reasons
[19:33] <Necos> now you'll be on the news
[19:33] <Necos> ^^
[19:33] <Necos> yeah, i know where hoover is lol
[19:34] <Necos> that's why i don't go to east la lol
[19:34] <jeev> in glendale?
[19:34] <jeev> oh no, the glendale one
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[19:34] <Necos> *east in la
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[19:34] <jeev> nope, not that one
[19:34] <Necos> i stick on the safe side
[19:34] <Necos> by glendale high, you mean?
[19:35] <jeev> yea, hoover is a few miles away
[19:35] <jeev> man glendale is the best city
[19:35] <Necos> lol
[19:35] <Necos> my friend lives in glendale, so i go there from time to time
[19:36] <Necos> she lives near the americana
[19:36] <jeev> ahh
[19:36] <jeev> is she hot
[19:37] <Necos> lol not IMO... but then we're not compatible there, so it's kinda irrelevant... lol you want me to hook you up? :P
[19:37] <jeev> no my girlfriend looks like tay leoni from badboys 1
[19:37] <jeev> only from bad boys 1, everywhere else she looks terrible
[19:37] <Necos> lol
[19:37] <Necos> well shit...
[19:37] <Necos> don't ask me silly questions =p
[19:37] <jeev> :>
[19:38] <Necos> ya dip =p
[19:38] <Necos> well, time for me to do the LC drive
[19:38] <antiwire> hook me up
[19:38] <Necos> 5 hr linear algebra final, here i come...
[19:38] <Necos> ;-;
[19:38] <Necos> laters folks
[19:38] <Necos> and no antiwire, you smell funny
[19:39] <Necos> lates!
[19:39] <antiwire> dang. i'll bath i swear
[19:39] <antiwire> bathe
[19:39] <antiwire> whatever i sink
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[19:39] <antler> ferries bathe
[19:40] <antiwire> and prance
[19:40] <antiwire> is it hockey time yet?
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[19:44] <zGhost> Is NHL on Dish Network?
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[19:46] <jeev> zGhost, do you really wanna know?
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[19:48] <amazon10x> on a fresh new install of slack, everything on the system will be owned by root.root, right?
[19:50] <Pig_Pen> except for /tmp it is world writable
[19:50] <pupit> no. its all pat's
[19:51] <amazon10x> right, it's world writable, but it's still owned by root.root though, correct?
[19:51] <pupit> "when you life is no longer your life" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTt4sMqAfN4
[19:52] <pupit> amazon10x: it is..
[19:52] <cmk_zzz_> amazon10x: I think not. Certain directories have group set the particular service they run I would have though. Like apache mysql hal? But perhaps I am mistaken
[19:52] <Pig_Pen> yeah, owned by root, but world writable
[19:52] <amazon10x> ooh, i didn't think of that cmk_zzz_
[19:53] <straterra> It's not all owned by root
[19:56] <amazon10x> i didn't really install practically anything on here though, so i wonder if i avoided any services that run under their own name
[19:56] <amazon10x> oh wait. nope. there's definitely stuff in here with different groups
[19:57] <amazon10x> ahh, --same-owner is what i need
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[20:02] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-TxDAVPO8o  check out this little kid on the guitar
[20:03] <amazon10x> "The video you have requested is not available."
[20:04] <Pig_Pen> dang! hold a sec
[20:04] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-TxDAVP08o  (hopefully this is it)
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[20:05] <amazon10x> yeah, that worked
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[20:05] <amazon10x> wow
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[20:06] <_arfon_> Which slackware package actually contains unzip?  I was thinking it was libzip but, now I'm not so sure...
[20:08] <Pig_Pen> that kid has some talent!
[20:11] <BP{k}> _arfon_: have a look in /var/log/packages/* I would say.
[20:11] <BP{k}> grep(1) is your friend :)
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[20:12] <Pig_Pen> if i win the lottery i am going to move to Coober pedy australia and live in a cavern underground
[20:13] <amazon10x> run an oc-3 down there?
[20:13] <Pig_Pen> oc-3 ?
[20:13] <jeev> oc3s suck
[20:14] <jeev> i'm upgrading my home oc3 to 196
[20:14] <thumbs> 192.
[20:14] <jeev> yea
[20:14] <jeev> i was walking away from my desk
[20:14] <jeev> to look at the cake design lol
[20:14] <Pig_Pen> i will set up a buowulf cluster of 390s and host the faster slackware mirror downunder
[20:15] <Pig_Pen> s/faster/fastest
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[20:15] <jeev> but you live in the u.s.
[20:15] <jeev> oh, you'd move there
[20:15] <jeev> pff
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[20:15] <jeev> Pig_Pen, would you hire a personal potato peeler ?
[20:16] <Pig_Pen> yup
[20:16] <jeev> a hot chick who peels them with her nipples?
[20:16] <Pig_Pen> lol
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[20:23] <_arfon_> Infozip is the answer
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[20:30] <topgun21> How deos one configure nfs?
[20:32] <twolf> I would start with reading the documentation, if I still couldn't figure something out then I would ask here for specific help
[20:36] <amazon10x> topgun21: http://slackbook.org/html/filesystem-structure-nfs.html
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[20:43] <amazon10x> okay, when i do this `tar czpf foo.tar.gz ~/bar/*` my foo.tar.gz archive has everything under /home/name/bar/* rather than just throwing all of bar/* right in there
[20:43] <amazon10x> why is that?
[20:44] <Shrp_> because thats what you are specifying?
[20:45] <Shrp_> with /bar/* means all files inside /bar/
[20:45] <amazon10x> i mean, when i extract that tgz file, it extracts out /home/name/bar/file1, /home/name/bar/file2, etc. What I want it to do is extract out just file1 and file2. how do i do that
[20:46] <eviljames> antiwire: hey, what's this i hear about you moving in w/ me and my hawt gf?
[20:46] <amazon10x> i feel like it's something stupid that i'm missing
[20:46] <eviljames> strange things happen while I'm afk
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[20:49] <eviljames> firebird619: yodel..
[20:49] <eviljames> tell us all about e16
[20:50] <firebird619> Hey eviljames, how's it going? I'm on enlightenment now.
[20:50] <firebird619> So far, it's great, just logged into it, so haven't done much yet.
[20:50] <eviljames> Wonder if it'll build in sun studio?
[20:50] <firebird619> just going through the settings now. :)
[20:51] <firebird619> Not sure, could be.
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[20:55] <antiwire> lol
[20:55] <firebird619> hey antiwire
[20:56] <antiwire> i'm very upset. I went down to the brewery only to find out that the hockey game is tomorrow night.
[20:56] <thumbs> antiwire: heh
[20:56] <firebird619> antiwire: that sucks.
[20:56] <firebird619> Hey thumbs
[20:56] <thumbs> hola
[20:56] <agentc0re> bummer.  You should kill your hockey informant. :P
[20:57] <antiwire> lol
[20:57] <hitest> ha
[20:58] <eviljames> antiwire: getting into the hockey spirit for your move to Canada?
[20:58] <antiwire> I don't follow the teams closely but I've always liked the game
[21:00] <eviljames> I don't follow the teams that are in right now at all.
[21:00] <antiwire> it's hockey, that's all I care
[21:01] <eviljames> Detroit & Pittsburgh?  meh.  Syd is shooting for a cup, Detroit's probably going to win, Canada isn't interested ;)
[21:01] <antiwire> yep
[21:02] <antiwire> I still think it's a travesty when a Canadian centered team doesn't win. Even though most of the US teams are Canadians
[21:03] <eviljames> yea, some 40-50% of the league are Canadian.
[21:03] <eviljames> I think Montreal should've gone further, but their scratch list was just too big.
[21:04] <thumbs> eviljames: Montreal sucked.
[21:04] <thumbs> eviljames: plus they had no depth
[21:04] <eviljames> if 6 senior players of your top 10 are out hurt, it's kinda expected
[21:05] <eviljames> why do you think the coach played Carey Price no matter what?  Give a young goalie some good playoff losing experience.
[21:05] <eviljames> Price is a hell of a player, but he gets ratteld by losing (as shown by their bad streak in the season)
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[21:09] <NyteOwl> night all
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[21:12] <Pig_Pen> nyte owl
[21:13] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: I got enlightenment installed and am on it right now, it's really nice.
[21:13] <Pig_Pen> yeah, its not bad, took forever for it to get to a 1.0
[21:13] <firebird619> yeah, it sure did.
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[21:16] <amazon10x> she'll let you take herrr home... and whet your appetitite
[21:17] <antiwire> I was sitting at the counter at the brewery and the manager came out and pulled up a guy's check. He kept looking over at the guy and had a little conference with the two bartenders and then put the check down. I could see it and it had over 20 - 7$ cocktails. They cut him off
[21:17] <amazon10x> haha
[21:17] <amazon10x> and he was still able to sit up on a bar stool?
[21:18] <antiwire> yeah i was amazed myself too
[21:18] <ananke> 'coctails' at a 'brewery'?
[21:19] <eviljames> that was the first problem I noticed, too.
[21:19] <antiwire> they brew beer on site but it's a full bar too
[21:19] <ananke> s/cocttails/cocktails
[21:19] <ananke> that's a travesty
[21:19] <antiwire> haha
[21:19] <amazon10x> this entire story is clearly fabricated :P
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[21:21] <tdos> hi everyone
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[21:21] <amazon10x> hello tdos
[21:21] <tdos> so what about ol slackware64
[21:22] <tdos> how hard is it
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[21:22] <antiwire> sooo hard
[21:22] <ananke> 'hard'?
[21:22] <amazon10x> lol
[21:22] <rob0> It's not hard. It's SOFTware.
[21:22] <antiwire> it's like granite hard
[21:22] <tdos> difficult
[21:22] <ananke> tdos : what's your scale here?
[21:22] <antiwire> like freaking diamonds
[21:22] <ananke> tdos : difficult as compared to what, regular slackware?
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[21:23] <amazon10x> i was under the impression that it's the same as slackware32
[21:23] <rob0> Twice as hard?
[21:23] <tdos> im a good linuxer slackware bornand bred but 64 bits a bit of a step
[21:23] <ananke> amazon10x : and here's the surprise: you're right :)
[21:23] <Pig_Pen> regular slackware is 32 bit so i bet slackware64 is twice as hard ;p
[21:23] <thumbs> huhuhuhuhuh
[21:23] <amazon10x> tdos: 32 steps even
[21:23] <ananke> tdos : essentially there is no difference in difficulty
[21:23] <rob0> Twice as hard, or maybe even 32x as hard?
[21:24] <thumbs> no, 2^32 as hard
[21:24] <tdos> thats what im afraid of
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[21:25] <tdos> i usually install software from the readme
[21:25] <tdos> i do configure --he;lp
[21:25] <ananke> on a completely unrelated note, today i tried 'nesting' lvm and it worked. a logical volume exported from dom0 xen domain to domU became a normal physical volume
[21:25] <tdos> but usually its the default
[21:25] <thumbs> ananke: neat.
[21:26] <ananke> and surprisingly enough, it worked, and lvm on the dom0 didn't get confused. lvscan/pvscan/vgscan didn't show those 'nested' setups
[21:26] <tdos> im gonna try moblin - i net its wack
[21:26] <ananke> 'i net its wack'? what does that mean, in english?
[21:27] <tdos> typo - bet its wack - bet its garbage
[21:27] <ananke> tdos : it's not garbage
[21:27] <tdos> ive been to the pub
[21:28] <thumbs> most regulars here can function normally after a few pints, too.
[21:28] <tdos> moblin - compared to slackwaee on a netbook
[21:28] <ananke> tdos : when you grow up, you'll be able to visit it more often
[21:28] <antiwire> ut oh everyone, here you go http://tinyurl.com/feelinghot
[21:28] <BP{k}> thumbs: some regulars only function after a few pints ;)
[21:29] <thumbs> BP{k}: fair point.
[21:29] <tdos> its true, cant sprak from experience so should shut up
[21:29] <ananke> speaking of, time to visit the fridge
[21:29] <thumbs> sprak?
[21:29] <tdos> im trying to sprak to you guys
[21:29] <tdos> be kind
[21:29] <antiwire> Did you also just accidentally everything?
[21:29] <thumbs> antiwire: don't start that
[21:29] <thumbs> :(
[21:29] <ananke> haha
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[21:30] <tdos> hands up whose from the u.k.?
[21:30] <tdos> u.s?
[21:31] <thumbs> *crickets*
[21:31] <firebird619> lol
[21:31] <amazon10x> i'm from the banana republic
[21:32] <tdos> hows life in the banana republic
[21:32] <ananke> thumbs : one of my ex-coworkers can make that sound. amazingly useful skill for meetings
[21:32] <SM177Y> ok, when i boot up my brothers comp it boots up fine but then just goes to a black screen when i have it booting in runlevel 4, but if i put it back in 3 and boot up and then startx it works fine and his video drivers are fine also....any suggestions?
[21:32] <amazon10x> i'm lying actually
[21:33] <thumbs> ananke: that's hilarious
[21:33] <Pig_Pen> X -configure ??
[21:33] <ananke> and it was a really convincing sound too, you'd swear you heard a real cricket
[21:34] <amazon10x> SM177Y: maybe a problem with kdm or xdm
[21:34] <tdos> its a video driver issue - make sure you have the right options enabled in the kernel
[21:34] <Pig_Pen> SM177Y: what graphics card does this PC have?
[21:34] <SM177Y> hmm possibly
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[21:35] <SM177Y> Pig_Pen: its a laptop, its an ati mobility radeon 9600
[21:35] <Pig_Pen> ah, that blasted mach64
[21:36] <SM177Y> the drivers already set up fine. i rebuilt the kernel with PCI_MSI enabled just like my desktop
[21:36] <Pig_Pen> i have an older laptop with the same vid chip with that has only 16 megs of video ram, it sucks
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[21:36] <SM177Y> lol ya this ones a 128
[21:37] <SM177Y> amazon10x: its not kdm, kdm runs fine when i execute it myself
[21:37] <antiwire> SM177Y: try disabling fb modes in lilo.conf. set the vga line to vga = normal and rerun lilo and see if the system enters X from RL4
[21:37] <antiwire> just as a test
[21:37] <SM177Y> alright 1 min
[21:37] <topgun21> is there an official slackware users forunm?
[21:37] <Pig_Pen> so after running it a while i gave up on x and did a clean install without X, xapps and no gtk or gui releated packages
[21:37] <tdos> is the issue when you log out and log back in?
[21:38] <rob0> Is there an official Slackware user?
[21:38] <antiwire> topgun21: I think linuxquestions is the place
[21:38] <SM177Y> sob, thats why i hate kdm u cant kill the bastard with ctrl alt backspace lol just keeps restarting
[21:38] <Pig_Pen> in /usr only has 750 megs in it
[21:38] <antiwire> SM177Y: you can change to VT6, login as root and init 3
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[21:38] <Pig_Pen> Pat V is the only official slackware user, the rest of us are pirates :D
[21:38] <ananke> SM177Y : that's not kdm. that's init that's restarting kdm
[21:39] <ananke> SM177Y : if you were to start kdm from runlevel 3, you could kill it that way, and wouldn't be started again
[21:39] <SM177Y> no
[21:39] <ananke> yes
[21:39] <SM177Y> i did execute it from runlevel 3
[21:39] <SM177Y> dont gimme that lol
[21:39] <ananke> SM177Y : unlikely
[21:39] <antiwire> oh my.
[21:39] <SM177Y> jk, but ya i did run from runlevel 3
[21:40] <tdos> with 'starttx'
[21:40] <ananke> SM177Y : then it must be magic, since that's the only thing that would explain that abnormal behavior
[21:40] <SM177Y> umm no...
[21:41] <SM177Y> boot up into runlevel 3 and run kdm as root and then hit ctrl+alt+backspace from the login screen. see what happens
[21:41] <antiwire> I know what happens. It drops you back to a prompt.
[21:41] <SM177Y> ive been doin that for years i know what im talkin about lol
[21:41] <SM177Y> no
[21:41] <antiwire> yes.
[21:41] <SM177Y> it doesnt actually
[21:41] <ananke> SM177Y : i wouldn't be able to count the number of times, i've done it. and it always kills kdm
[21:41] <Pig_Pen> or add kdm -daemon to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and see if it works that way
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[21:42] <BP{k}> wotcha andarius :)
[21:42] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[21:42] <andarius> wotcha BP{k} :)
[21:42] <SM177Y> ananke: ur retarded, if i had a video camera i would record every step of it and prove ur dumb
[21:42] <antiwire> oh this is going to be good.
[21:42] <ananke> SM177Y : ad hominem attacks don't add any substance to your argument. quite the contrary
[21:42] <skibur> I have a DVD.iso, can I just burn it and play it on my dvd player?
[21:43] <skibur> or I can only use CDEMU?
[21:43] <ananke> skibur : yes, but make sure your dvd burning software knows you're burning an image
[21:43] <firebird619> greetings andarius, how are you?
[21:43] Action: andarius expects it really depends on the ISO
[21:43] <andarius> salutations firebird619. I am well. you ?
[21:43] <ananke> skibur : of course, i assume that this iso contains data readable by your dvd player
[21:43] <firebird619> andarius: doing excellent, thank you. :)
[21:43] <skibur> thanks, its a good thing I backup Wizard of OZ
[21:44] <skibur> :P
[21:44] <skibur> thanks anake
[21:44] <SM177Y> fine i will record it with my cell phones camera as thats the best i have and i will put it on youtube just to show you that indeed, you are, in fact, a moron
[21:44] <tdos> bug 0r feature
[21:44] <andarius> so thats what porn is called these days... :P
[21:44] <Pig_Pen> you might be able to play it without burning the dvd.iso just mount it and play it
[21:44] <SM177Y> but whoever told me to set vga to normal, it was at 773, that did it, thank you
[21:45] <ananke> SM177Y : just because you keep repeating it to yourself, doesn't make it true
[21:45] <SM177Y> just wait im gonna show you
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[21:45] <ananke> SM177Y : ohh, you already have
[21:45] <SM177Y> im gonna make a video, since you think you are so smart
[21:45] <hiptobecubic> Has anyone gotten the gspca module to build against a kernel later than 2.6.27 ?
[21:46] <thumbs> SM177Y: you know, engaging in such pointless debates only makes you look more troubled than you'd like
[21:46] Action: andarius wants to see the video...
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[21:46] <andarius> though i have no idea what this is all about
[21:47] <tdos> i need some linux video conferencing sw any ideas other than skype?
[21:47] <antiwire> Yeah me too. In fact, if ananke gets labeled as 'moron' I'd like to be on that list too.
[21:47] <andarius> lol
[21:47] <ananke> tdos : ekiga
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[21:47] <SM177Y> thumbs: i dont really care, im just sick of ananke always thinking he knows everything, everytime i say something he thinks he has to prove me wrong or some shit
[21:47] <tdos> i need app sharing too
[21:47] <ananke> tdos : define 'app sharing'
[21:47] <tdos> but thanks
[21:48] <thumbs> SM177Y: he's right most of the time.
[21:48] <SM177Y> its quite annoying really
[21:48] <andarius> sm
[21:48] <SM177Y> thumbs: not this time
[21:48] <tdos> slideshow
[21:48] <andarius> SM177Y: video man,make the video
[21:48] <tdos> not whiteboard
[21:48] <SM177Y> i am
[21:48] <andarius> ok :)
[21:49] <ananke> SM177Y : sadly enough, i don't keep track of people like you. despite what you think, i don't target you
[21:49] <andarius> nope, he targets every one :)
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[21:49] <thrice`> yeah, don't feel special ;)
[21:49] <antiwire> lol
[21:50] <antiwire> you're not a unique flower, sorry.
[21:50] <ananke> ahh, the usual herd mentality kicks in
[21:50] <hiptobecubic> I'm trying to use alienBOB 's build at http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/gspcav1/build/
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[21:50] <hiptobecubic> but i get some compile errors
[21:50] <tdos> i reckon good streaming will do
[21:50] <andarius> bahhhh :o
[21:50] <ananke> tdos : what are you trying to accomplish?
[21:50] <thrice`> hiptobecubic: you have his patches, too ?  If so, anything useful ?
[21:50] <tdos> get them to email the presentation
[21:50] <rob0> ananke, not to condone the silly behavior here, but in fact I think he might be right about kdm respawning itself on its "StaticServers".
[21:51] <tdos> meeting between england and belgiu, with video and a sharewd presentation - 2 way audoio
[21:51] <SM177Y> just gotta convert it now because i took it on my phone and its in some fkd up format lol
[21:51] <ananke> rob0 : is that a kdm option?
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[21:51] <tdos> and 2 way video
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[21:52] <rob0> StaticServers default is :0, yes, it is a kdmrc setting
[21:52] <ananke> tdos : how many 'nodes' will have to participate? will it be two-way only, or will you want multiple participants, each with own camera?
[21:52] <tdos> ananke: only way i found is m$
[21:52] <antiwire> I just tried on my home system which uses kde 3.5.10 and crtl+alt+bksp kicks me out and drops me to a prompt after 'startx' from RL3
[21:53] <tdos> ananke: minimal - its a 1 off
[21:53] <rob0> startx does not invoke kdm
[21:53] <thrice`> hopefully not, anyway
[21:53] <antiwire> weren't we talking about RL and startx?
[21:53] <ananke> rob0 : if i recall, slackware's kdmrc never had it set to act the way SM177Y is describing it
[21:53] <antiwire> RL3**
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[21:55] <ananke> tdos : please don't msg me. use the channel, this way others can benefit
[21:55] <tdos> but im sa newb - they dont need to hear what i need to know
[21:56] <ananke> tdos : and i'm not your personal assistant either
[21:56] <tdos> like wheres a good xchat faq
[21:56] <tdos> apologies
[21:56] <ananke> i wouldn't know that, i don't use xchat. have you tried to google for it?
[21:57] <tdos> nope  just messing about - no manners
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[21:57] <tdos> my bad
[21:58] <pilipo> ola
[21:58] <tdos> anyhew, i should know beter by now
[22:00] <tdos> i dont think now is the best time to start my irc training
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[22:00] <tdos> the wordzs are alll blurring into each other
[22:00] <ananke> time to sober up
[22:01] <Pig_Pen> laters, sleepytime
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[22:05] <tdos> how many people use proxys?
[22:06] <antiwire> depends on the situation but I use my own proxies from time to time
[22:06] <tdos> whats a good reptile as a realistic pet?
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[22:07] <antiwire> are you sure you've had just one beer?
[22:07] <tdos> one more beer...
[22:08] <tdos> my lizard died
[22:08] <tdos> it was my last one - ive had them since i was 10
[22:08] <tdos> bo hoo
[22:08] <antiwire> In the past, I've kept snakes.
[22:08] <antiwire> the type that would eat your lizard
[22:09] <tdos> i really want a royal python
[22:09] <tdos> aka ball python
[22:09] <antiwire> to expensive to feed, at least for me
[22:09] <tdos> but right now i want a cigarette
[22:10] <tdos> too cool to cage
[22:10] <tdos> plus the big teeth
[22:10] <init[1]> are you serious about all there reptile ?
[22:10] <thrice`> ananke: btw, if you're on suse (I thought you were), they apply 117 patches to kde base, which seems to change kdm's behavior
[22:11] <antiwire> init[1]: keeping snakes? Yes
[22:11] <init[1]> :) well i have a cat ! :P
[22:11] <ananke> thrice` : i'm referring to what i know from slackware.
[22:11] <antiwire> init[1]: Well your cat would have been able to take the snakes I've kept, but the ball python would eat your cat
[22:12] <init[1]> :d
[22:12] <init[1]> :(
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[22:14] <thrice`> ananke: mm, ok.
[22:17] <tdos> ananke: what breed?
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[22:17] <chopp> antiwire: have you seen Old_Fogie since that misunderstanding a few days back?
[22:18] <ananke> tdos : i think you got me confused with somebody else
[22:18] <tdos> ananke: youre not the snake breeder
[22:18] <antiwire> chopp: Nope. My question was not offensive or malicious either. I think he was probably dealing with real life issues besides what happened.
[22:18] <antiwire> tdos: I think you mean antiwire.
[22:19] <ananke> tdos : indeed, i'm not
[22:19] <antiwire> tdos: I've kept gopher/bull snakes, corn snakes and California King snakes
[22:19] <tdos> ananke: oops
[22:19] <tdos> antiwire: rattler?
[22:20] <antiwire> tdos: I never kept venomous snakes
[22:20] <tdos> all thumbs and fingers intact!
[22:20] <antiwire> yes
[22:21] <tdos> i think iguanas are quite cool
[22:21] <tdos> i looked after a monitor - 4 ft long and amazing
[22:22] <tdos> we had a corn snake on the loose for 8 months
[22:23] <antiwire> I hope you didn't kill it
[22:23] <tdos> then it got found - no no killing, it was a pet
[22:23] <antiwire> People often  kill gopher/king/corn snakes because they they don't know how to ID them. Those snakes kill vermin and pose no serious threat to humans
[22:23] <mmlj4> I had a merrimack as a kid
[22:24] <tdos> we dont have venomous snakes in the uk
[22:24] <tdos> only escaped pets!
[22:25] <antiwire> mmlj4: did it sink?
[22:27] <tdos> im watching the worst thing ever
[22:27] <tdos> trueblod
[22:29] <tdos> i dont mean that as an exclamation - thats the name of the thing
[22:29] <tdos> i say worst - im on ep 5
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[22:30] <acidkill> antiwire: i see if the snake run or wants to attack
[22:30] <acidkill> if it runs it lives
[22:30] <acidkill> if it thinks it can get me, hes dead
[22:30] <antiwire> well do you move toward them?
[22:30] <acidkill> of course
[22:30] <acidkill> its battle
[22:31] <antiwire> well what do you expect to have happen then
[22:31] <acidkill> ive had them want to get me
[22:31] <acidkill> and they die
[22:32] <antiwire> One of these days you'll advance on a venomous snake you can't ID and it will win
[22:32] <acidkill> i dont advance unarmed
[22:32] <acidkill> shovel and an abily to run like the wind if said shovel fails me
[22:33] <tdos> what about a frog?
[22:33] <acidkill> i lick them first
[22:33] <acidkill> if i am fine i kill them
[22:33] <tdos> or a newt....
[22:33] <acidkill> if i die...they live free
[22:33] <acidkill> if i tripe
[22:34] <acidkill> ohh pet time
[22:34] <tdos> i hhear crabs are pretty low maintainance
[22:34] <acidkill> na man, lot of energy wasted itching
[22:35] <acidkill> and then creams and shampoos
[22:36] <antiwire> at least eat the snakes you kill
[22:36] <antiwire> most snakes over 2 feet have nice meat
[22:36] <tdos> a friend of mine rescued some ducks from the m25 (big freeway)
[22:37] <tdos> they had to run around and catch them - random strangers stopped to help
[22:38] <tdos> and eventually they herded the ducklings into a starbucks bag and transported them back to the riiver
[22:38] <tdos> where thet may or may not have re-united with their mother
[22:39] <tdos> TRUE STORY
[22:39] <acidkill> heh maybe they all have duck down syndrome
[22:39] <acidkill> and all the off spring of those will die
[22:39] <acidkill> horriblly
[22:39] <tdos> last saturday
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[22:40] <tdos> i reckon theyre dead just from being exposed to the m25
[22:40] <tdos> imagine the stress if you were a duck
[22:40] <acidkill> at least they got high from the fumes too
[22:40] <tdos> let alone a duckling
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[22:41] <tdos> i tried to video police, camera, action to get the footage but they didn'y catch it
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[22:55] <tank-man> can someone recommend somewhere to get more info on "smbmount", it has no man page
[22:55] <thumbs> tank-man: try mount -t cifs
[22:56] <firebird619> tank-man: http://linux.die.net/man/8/smbmount
[22:56] <mbohun> Options are described in more detail in the manual page
[22:56] <mbohun>         man 8 mount.cifs
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[22:56] <SM177Y> grr, youtube wont take the upload.
[22:56] <tank-man> thanks guys
[22:57] <SM177Y> ananke: i will just post a link to the video. it plays in vlc, just no audio for some reason
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[22:57] <SM177Y> also i made an avi with ffmpeg and it seems to play in gxine but not xine, idk why. could be this shitty video card im stuck with until i get my gtx275 monday
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[23:00] <SM177Y> heres to all, to show that ananke is, in fact, a moron. just wish it had audio. if i get a better converter i will post it later
[23:00] <SM177Y> http://www.angelfire.com/games6/smittywork/kdm-video_play_in_vlc.3g2
[23:01] <SM177Y> plays fine in vlc player
[23:03] <thumbs> SM177Y: I hope you take pride in the fact that we now see you as an extremely mature individual.
[23:04] <SM177Y> i really do not care lol
[23:04] <SM177Y> im just sick of ananke thinking he's a no-it-all
[23:04] <SM177Y> gets very old
[23:04] <SM177Y> know-it-all**
[23:04] <SM177Y> lol
[23:05] Action: BP{k} wonders what kind of format 3g2 is.
[23:05] <SM177Y> BP{k}: lol sorry i recorded it with my cellphone
[23:05] <agentc0re> BP{k}: I think it's a format for some phones that play video.
[23:05] <SM177Y> i thinks its like some dumb quicktime format
[23:05] <antiwire> BP{k}: it's a crazy cellphone format that I think is based on quicktime
[23:05] <agentc0re> I think my phone supports it.
[23:06] <thumbs> SM177Y: regardless, by falling back to swearing and direct attacks, you alienated yourself.
[23:06] <BP{k}> ah well. I don't I can be bothered to install vlc just to watch one vide.
[23:06] Action: andarius would say he fits right in
[23:06] <SM177Y> thumbs: not really lol. just proving a point
[23:06] <thumbs> SM177Y: that you're pretty immature, yes.
[23:06] <SM177Y> i converted it to an avi but youtube still wont let me upload it idk
[23:06] <andarius> link to the avi
[23:07] <SM177Y> how is getting pissed off at someone that thinks they know everything and tries to tell me i'm wrong everytime i come in here and making a video to prove him wrong immature?
[23:08] <SM177Y> andarius: it might just be my video card at the moment but it only played in gxine for me, xine wouldnt work, dint try vlc with the avi tho
[23:08] <thumbs> SM177Y: it would have looked quite more appropriate if you had resorted to a civil speech, and not one a teenager would fall back to.
[23:08] <SM177Y> one sec ill upload it
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[23:08] <antiwire> btw, you're starting kdm right there and I have a feeling that we all initially thought you were talking about 'startx' from RL3, at least that's what I thought.
[23:08] <SM177Y> how can I have a civil speech when I already said what happens when you do that and he's just like, no it doesn't
[23:09] <SM177Y> when it OBVIOUSLY does
[23:09] <thumbs> SM177Y: intelligent people don't need to resort to insults to prove an argument.
[23:09] <andarius> debating this topic at this point is senseless
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[23:09] <andarius> no, but inteligent people also are not asses
[23:09] <antiwire> I was just saying that for me, I misunderstood what was being said.
[23:09] <BP{k}> lets debate how we can get our hand on andarius his beer.
[23:09] <andarius> noo!!! is my beerz !!!!
[23:09] <antiwire> I thought it was about startx + rl3, not running kdm at rl3
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[23:10] <thumbs> funnily enough, that was my impression too.
[23:10] <antiwire> So in that case, about what I thought was going on, yeah you're right.
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[23:12] <SM177Y> actually it's about running kdm from rl3 and when you attempt to kill it with ctrl+alt+backspace it continuously restarts and doesn't drop back to your terminal
[23:12] <antiwire> Yeah, I'm aware of that now...remember you posted an video?
[23:12] <antiwire> a*
[23:12] <SM177Y> DECENT
[23:13] <Dominian> why would you run kdm at rl3?
[23:13] <SM177Y> audio is working with my gxine :)
[23:13] <SM177Y> here yous go
[23:13] <SM177Y> http://www.angelfire.com/games6/smittywork/video.avi
[23:13] <Dominian> all I would have to do is ctrl-alt-backspace hehe
[23:13] <antiwire> Dominian: that's why I was confused. I've never done that myself.
[23:13] <antiwire> (the kdm part)
[23:13] <Dominian> yah
[23:13] <SM177Y> Dominian: i was having trouble with booting into rl4 and it going black and doing nothing on my brothers comp
[23:13] <Dominian> kdm would run at rl4
[23:13] <antiwire> exactly
[23:14] <antiwire> i told him to switch vt's to 6 and init 3
[23:14] <SM177Y> the problem was with lilo for some reason, idk why its been working for a long time on vga 773, and i just changed it to normal and it fixed it
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[23:15] <antiwire> it wasn't a lilo problem. it was a framebuffer conflict
[23:15] <antiwire> I told you to use normal mode to disable the frame buffer
[23:15] <antiwire> it's a common thing with various driver/card combos
[23:16] <antiwire> anyway, it works...you sure schooled us. whatever.
[23:16] <SM177Y> i know
[23:16] <andarius> SM177Y: your video is surely fake, that doesnt happen ;)
[23:16] <antiwire> hahahah
[23:16] <SM177Y> the configuration for it was in lilo. sorry should have been more specific
[23:16] <SM177Y> lol
[23:16] <antiwire> SHOOPED
[23:16] <SM177Y> sorry for the horrible quality its on my cell phone haha
[23:17] <andarius> the cell phone and the filmer, you move too much :P
[23:17] <SM177Y> and i was trying to type with one hand and try to hold to phone steady with the other lol
[23:17] <SM177Y> lol i tried my best to focus in on the key points
[23:17] <SM177Y> but anyways
[23:18] <antiwire> no
[23:18] <antiwire> oops
[23:19] <SM177Y> the weird thing was that his rl4 was working perfectly for a few months now, my brother just brought me his laptop and said its booting to a black screen. so i changed it to normal and it works now. but it always worked before at vga 773
[23:19] <SM177Y> i dont know...
[23:20] <andarius> likely an update or something. perhaps changed video module
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[23:24] <SM177Y> andarius: what do you mean by video module? like fglrx? because no, nothing changed, he only has a basic user account on the machine so that he cant screw it up, well actually i gave him a couple commands with sudoers so that he could connect to the wifi but thats it
[23:26] <andarius> no updates done?
[23:27] <SM177Y> nope. he doesnt have the privelages to change anything system wide
[23:27] <andarius> interesting. something had to have changed some how, update, corruption or whatever. it would not simply stop working for no reason
[23:28] <SM177Y> ya i know
[23:28] <SM177Y> thats why i found it so weird lol
[23:28] <andarius> well, it is fixed and that is what counts :)
[23:29] <antiwire> I'll tell you what it was. It was freaking voodoo!
[23:29] <andarius> gremlins !!
[23:29] <andarius> or udevils :o
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[23:30] <antiwire> omgz
[23:30] <antiwire> they're in your kernelz...messing your drivers.
[23:30] <SM177Y> haha
[23:30] <SM177Y> yeah but normal mode doesnt show tux :( XD
[23:31] <andarius> all your bits are belong to themz
[23:31] <andarius> if you are using kdm why not simply boot to RL4 and be done with it
[23:31] <SM177Y> :P
[23:31] <agentc0re> http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/03/2050231/Download-Taxes-As-a-Weapon-Against-File-Sharing?from=rss
[23:31] <SM177Y> it does boot to rl4
[23:31] <SM177Y> i had to boot to rl3 to fix the problem
[23:31] <SM177Y> i had to boot with the disc to change the inittab
[23:31] <andarius> ahh
[23:32] <andarius> yeah, i missed the whole thing until the end
[23:32] <SM177Y> and then once i fixed it, i changed it back to rl4
[23:32] <SM177Y> lol, no prob
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[23:32] <antiwire> I just started playing with proxychains from SBo
[23:33] <antiwire> it's really cool. it lets you make programs that doesn't support proxies play nice with proxies
[23:33] <SM177Y> ya proxychains is decent
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[23:36] <SM177Y> some distros have a system wide proxy setting. i kno yast does in opensuse, its handy
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[23:38] <antiwire> does it work for all runlevels or just in gnome/kde?
[23:38] <antiwire> kde has that too
[23:38] <antiwire> you can enable it in slackware
[23:39] <SM177Y> not sure. i was using fluxbox in opensuse and it worked fine. i dont think it mattered what wm you were in and i was running in rl3
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[23:42] <antiwire> A past girlfriend and I have initiated communication again. It's strangely satisfying.
[23:43] <antiwire> In a peculiar way of course....
[23:46] <agentc0re> antiwire: Heh, friends with benefits! :)
[23:46] <antiwire> yeah, We'll see where this goes. So far so good.
[23:47] <dissociative> is there a graphical tool for controlling power saving stuff like dpms and video suspend ?
[23:47] <dissociative> globally
[23:51] <dissociative> dpms is enabled in xorg.conf but the suspend time and that stuff is set to 0
[23:52] <dissociative> is there a wat to set it from the command line
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