[00:01] is there any channel for new slackers? :) [00:01] nothing wrong with this one [00:01] azzorcist: dont be humble, im noob too :) [00:02] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:04] pupit: oh yeah? [00:05] ugh. /me is about to ping timeout [00:06] azzorcist: yeah, i come here and nag people sometimes.. [00:06] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:07] @pupit I think I should I try myself first before asking... :P [00:07] 38 seconds lag. This is supposed to be a nice hotel... [00:08] azzorcist: its better to just ask, you could turn to a big annoying noob :) [00:08] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) got netsplit. [00:09] Urchlay: where are you, in a lobby, room? [00:09] room [00:09] most I've gotten here is 30Kbit/sec, sometimes much worse [00:10] apparently it's just fixed itself, I'm no longer lagged >1 minute from IRC [00:10] there are some pictures on the walls? [00:10] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:10] eh, not really. Why? [00:11] curious, room is better with some pictures.. [00:11] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) returned to ##slackware. [00:12] actually, wait, yes, there is some kind of boring landscape on the wall. I've been here over a week and never consciously noticed it (it's that bland) [00:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] Urchlay: thats my point! [00:12] people go to hotels, stay in rooms but never take a look on the pics... :) [00:12] in this case, because it wasn't worth the trouble [00:13] my visual cortex knew not to bother the rest of my brain with it [00:14] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [00:14] maybe I'm being too harsh: it's definitely a better painting than I could paint (being a non-painter...) [00:16] i know, i know, once i was in some hostel, it was really good feeling to be there, everything was so cute, from chair to beds, nicely painted walls...some girls, i forgot i was tired :) [00:16] lol [00:17] i forgot howmuch i hate kde [00:17] what, actual girls, or just pictures of them? [00:18] actual girls, they were really polite.. the whole people from hostel was like some family [00:18] ah. This place is one of those "extended stay" hotels that caters to business travellers. The social custom here is that nobody interacts with the other guests [00:19] everyone was like: here is a new guy! lets welcome him! [00:19] in america, it's "here is a new guy, lets exploit him for all the money he has" [00:19] one of the girls who works the front desk is kinda cute, and I managed to make her smile a couple times, but that's as far as I'll get [00:20] eh, in this place, it's more like nobody notices there's a new guy [00:20] true [00:20] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:20] well :S here in Serbia its a common thing to welcome everyone [00:20] the only times you notice the other guests is if you pass them in the hallway, or if they're in the next room over & making too much noise [00:21] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) got netsplit. [00:21] too bad [00:21] there are hostels here, they might be like what you're talking about (or not, never been to one)... but this is a place where you need $5 worth of quarters to do one (pretty small) load of laundry [00:21] Urchlay: i'm curious, whats the easiest way to transfer files from a vm to the native? [00:21] anyone know how to get rid of the [00:21] ''Special HID Devices'? [00:22] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:22] Cann0n: I usually use ftp or scp, or maybe a cd-rom image if the vm's running DOS (easier than getting networking working on DOS, and I only ever need to transfer from host to guest) [00:22] all of them have --M-- so something has them locked in, I've never been able to figure out what that is [00:22] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:22] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:23] if the guest is running some variant of windows, you can try your luck with samba (but I've never gotten it to work well with anything newer than windows xp, whether in a vm or not. Not that it's something I need often) [00:23] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) returned to ##slackware. [00:23] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:23] i hate samba [00:23] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:23] eh, or if the guest is your 32-bit slackware install, you could use nfs [00:24] grrr [00:24] is it possible to mount my / in the vm 32bit slackware? [00:24] Cann0n: oh, i didnt managed it to work either [00:24] not really [00:24] dangit [00:25] the easiest way is using a usb drive [00:25] I mean, you could export it via nfs, mount it on /mnt/host or something, with the root squash option turned off [00:25] "hate samba"? (me, i'd rate it as one of the great OSS projects, but that's just me) [00:25] shonudo: thats just you. I've never liked samba :p [00:25] lol... fair enough, Cann0n [00:26] shonudo: I hate the SMB/CIFS networking protocols, but samba itself is pretty amazing (or was, back when I used it a lot) [00:26] shonudo: samba was a hack-project fo windows stuff [00:26] shonudo: not quite an OSS [00:26] i think it's pretty amazing, given the hurdles it was presented [00:26] these days, the few times I've tried to use it to talk to vista or win7 machines, it hasn't really worked all that great [00:27] Urchlay, is the problem with samba or with w7? [00:27] no idea [00:27] I've never run vista or 7, and have had only very limited exposure to xp [00:27] for me samba worked on 13.0 but not on 13.1 [00:27] its samba [00:27] i'll just set up samba. my usb drives don't work in the vm [00:27] pupit, so what changed between versions? [00:28] shonudo: didnt bother to find out much, used scp [00:28] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:28] basically I kicked the windows habit in 1999 or so, and the only times I try to use samba these days is to help out friends (last week, backed up someone's "My Documents" and such, so she could do a clean reinstall) [00:28] hmmm... i'm headed to 13.1 and i use samba (or, better put, i've always used samba) [00:28] hoping to continue [00:28] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] well, you probably have a whole lot more experience with samba, and knowledge of windows [00:29] i've used samba plenty of times in the past [00:29] bet you can get it working fine (or keep it working, since it already does) [00:30] i hope so [00:30] I'm just so far removed from "mainstream" computing that I don't know or care any more [00:32] easier that way: I can legitimately tell people "sorry, I can't come over and fix your windows machine for free", which is what I used to spend way too much time doing [00:33] i stopped doing that [00:33] azzorcist (~azzorcist@125.167.216.171) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:33] i'll only "fix" a box by installing linux now [00:33] shonudo: haha, good idea [00:33] What about the sledgehammer method? [00:34] lmao [00:34] that too [00:34] Motoko-chan: i can sing a song... :) [00:34] Good for you [00:34] I won't install linux for someone who doesn't give a crap about linux... it only leads to becoming that person's permanent tech-support bitch (since they have no idea how to do anything, and none of their friends know enough to help...) [00:34] Action: Motoko-chan pats pupit's head [00:35] Urchlay, i agree [00:35] I'm working with a local PC repair shop to offer a Linux install option. [00:35] is why I went against my principles and bought Mom a windows pc for xmas maybe 5-6 years ago [00:36] cause I knew all her friends ran windows, so she could call them with her easy questions ("which button is the right-click button?", I shit you not, this is the person who taught me my left from my right when I was too young to remember...) [00:37] Senior dementia? [00:37] But only in a specific domain. [00:37] no, she's perfectly OK with everything that doesn't involve computers [00:37] no, it's just the way people interact with computers i think [00:37] or what Urchlay just said [00:37] Like I said, only in a specific domain. [00:38] dementia would imply that she used to know... she hasn't forgotten anything, she's just failed to learn new things [00:38] I suppose. [00:39] somehow she's become convinced that she's incapable of understanding her computer (which, in a way, is true: she'll probably never write a device driver or upgrade her own RAM)... so to her, anything at all relating to the computer is alien [00:39] Sad, that attitude. [00:39] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] yah [00:39] Urchlay: my mother is same [00:39] say I just use my box as a personal computer, not doing a whole lot, so with that in mind is there much I need compiled in for the 'cryptographic api'? [00:40] not really... if you think about it, people want their computers to work like their light switch [00:40] and highly annoying, after explaining the same concept over & over again in simple terms [00:40] light switches don't do much, compared to what computers do [00:40] does Slack 13.1 need certain things in the 'cryptographic api'? [00:40] and actually I have no idea what non-geeks want their computers to do [00:40] true, but people still want things to work a certain way (that is, without having to know anyting about how it works) [00:40] anything* [00:40] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:41] That's learned helplessness. [00:41] that and MS marketing [00:41] Even with cars, most people know how to manipulate them to drive. [00:41] yah, but people who drive cars know that left, in a car, is the same as left when you're not in a car... they may not know how to change their oil, but they know how to put gas in the car (and how to tell when it needs gas) [00:41] but my father is even worse, 10 years ago, i tried to teach him how to use the computer. - he takes a mouse, looks at it while moving it than looks at the screen, the again looks back at the mouse while moving it then looks back at the screen. then i said: dont come near pc, again. [00:42] I mean how many times do I have to repeat that "right-click means to press the mouse button on the right side of the mouse"? [00:42] lol [00:42] and "just plain click means to press the button on the left side" [00:43] she's got a scroll wheel, but I don't think she's been brave enough to try it. She saw me paging through a web page with the space bar, and thought I was going to break something... [00:44] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] I mean I don't hate my mother, but she thinks I hate her if I have to try to be patient & coach her through something computer-related... better to just tell her "I dunno, call your friend" [00:45] i remember thinking i was going to mess things up by hitting the wrong thing on a wordprocessing app [00:45] makes sense [00:45] when you start out, it's all alien [00:45] shonudo: how long did that stage last for you? [00:45] weeks, months, a year? [00:45] not long [00:45] ...and now she looks at you while you are at computer ans says: be careful with those things in a hunting voice.. :D [00:45] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [00:45] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:45] weeks at most, Urchlay [00:45] yeah, she's had this thing since... 2003, I think, and it's just as alien to her now as it was the day she got it [00:45] but i wanted to how it worked [00:46] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:46] 7 years is not too long for someone to learn the difference between "click", "double-click", and "right-click"... or to know that in damn near any application, you can click File -> Print, and print whatever you're looking at [00:46] Urchlay, how many hours a day does she spend on a computer? [00:46] dunno [00:47] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:47] does she have fb profile? [00:47] lol [00:47] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [00:47] is that a marker, pupit? [00:47] at least an hour or two, most days, I think (after dad's gone to sleep, she turns off the TV & uses the computer quietly until she's reaady to sleep) [00:47] what is "fb profile"? [00:47] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [00:47] shonudo: yes [00:47] facebook [00:47] gosh i hate configuring samba [00:48] ah [00:48] do i gotta setup samba on both host and guest? [00:48] all having a facebook profile means is that you don't know how to read a "terms of use" [00:48] Samba isn't too bad. [00:48] Cann0n, yes [00:48] my brain expands "fb profile" to "framebuffer /etc/profile", and then wonder what they have to do with each other [00:48] does she spit when she speaks to you or does she have any egregiously offensive odor about her? [00:48] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:48] Urchlay: haha [00:48] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [00:48] i can't believe the shit i go through to play sonic the hedgehog on sega emu [00:48] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [00:48] mancha: no, my mom's not *that* dman old [00:49] My mom moved from WinXP to OS X. [00:49] what??? [00:49] you were talking about mom? i thought it was ex-gf again, sorry! :( [00:49] mancha, i think part of that that description means "dead" [00:49] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [00:49] my mother's PC is not connected on internet, she need only card games and that makes her happy [00:49] (the odor part) [00:49] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:49] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] mancha: one day I'll write a book about all my exes... and some of the other crazy people I've known [00:50] talk about backfiring, my joke bit me in the ass [00:50] it'll read like fiction, but it won't be... [00:51] am to the point now where I'm afraid to make friends, because over 50% of my friends have either been diagnosed with major mental illnesses (manic depression, schizo), or else they completely turned on me (stole my girlfriend or my stuff, etc) [00:51] what python is 13.0/13.1 on? [00:51] 13.1 seems to be 2.6.4 [00:51] 13.1 Python 2.6.4 [00:52] 13.0 Python 2.6.2 [00:53] ah hrmm, seems there are some issues on the 2.5.x branch (security wise) [00:53] mancha, are you coding or compiling something? [00:53] shonudo, just trying to figure out what to do on some older boxes with python 2.5.x [00:53] i.e. patch vs upgrade [00:54] what advantage is there to patching over upgrading? [00:54] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.89) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:55] good question, maybe none. i don't know what, if anything breaks with a flat u/g [00:55] doesn't python do some kind of quasi-compiling against the site version? [00:56] you should be able to just rm any *.pyc files [00:56] oh, it'll regen from the .py's ? [00:56] yah [00:56] at least, I've seen several python apps that do that. Don't know if python does that all by itself, or if there's code in the app to do it [00:57] (you could rename them *.pyc.ignore, see what happens) [00:57] what about hook-like things? pygtk, etc... [00:57] not a python expert... I'd assume those need upgrading/rebuilding/whatever [00:58] yeah, i know next to nothing about python, so i am hesitant to just upgrade. shonudo guess that's my worry. [00:58] especially if you're upgrading minor versions (python 2.5 to 2.6), since a ton of the files in the pytgk package are in /usr/lib/python2.6/ [00:58] Yes, things like pygtk would need to be re-built. [00:58] Action: Motoko-chan has had to deal with that for a few things [00:58] or wxPython, etc... [00:58] (similar situation with perl, the perl version number is part of the path to any perl modules installed for that version) [00:59] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.190) joined ##slackware. [00:59] with perl i am more comfortable though and i don't have complex GUI bindings for perl :) [00:59] I would expect to be able to upgrade from python x.y.z to x.y.z+1 without breaking everything, but I don't actually *know* [00:59] or widget sets. [01:00] wxPython sounds like it would have a conniption on a major python u/g [01:00] yeah [01:01] maybe i'll just patch it then...upstream's being lazy, no official patch against the CVE [01:01] can you live (get things done) with a patch to 2.5.x? [01:01] shonudo i am happy with 2.5.x as a version, the patch is to address a security issue [01:02] hate to admit this, but i'd probably ignore the security update [01:03] i'm a little ocd when it comes to vulnerabilities [01:03] they nag me and nag me once i'm aware of them :) [01:03] how do i connect to a samba on a vm? all the howtos' are windows to linux vm [01:04] depends on what kinda vuln you're talking about [01:04] i can't even get samba to show up on the host [01:04] Cann0n, what is the config? [01:04] Cann0n, how did you set up the config? [01:04] I recall perl having a security hole due to suidperl... the easy fix (provided you weren't actually using any setuid perl scripts) was to chmod u-s /usr/bin/suidperl [01:05] which perl and was it patched? [01:05] i set it up pretty simple. have /root/SAMBA public [01:05] uning the inet6 as the interface [01:05] Cann0n, do you want that? [01:06] i just want to copy a package from my 32bit vm to my 64bit host [01:06] are you talking circa 2004/2005? [01:06] does anyone use kmail here? how do you insert bullet lists in the composer? the icon to do so seems to be missing.... [01:06] Cann0n, scp [01:07] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:07] i just suck when it comes to this crap [01:07] i ran the rc.samba start [01:08] scp localhost doesn't work [01:08] can't you run httpd or ftpd or other on the vm? [01:08] you don't use localhost [01:08] ftp comes to mind [01:08] i've never setup anything other than a few apache servers and samba once 2 years ago [01:09] the vm will probably set up some kind of networking, tunnel or separate interface, say tap, etc. [01:09] if you're running virtualbox, by default, it creates a private interface (try "ifconfig -a" in the guest) [01:09] with qemu there's an easy way which i told Urch about and he can pass it on :) [01:09] it's inet6 [01:09] on vmware, you gotta go through some menus to set it up [01:09] i just want to be able to quickly copy a 32bit package to 64bit [01:10] Just scp using the IPs. [01:10] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:10] mancha: yes, if I had my notes handy... am sitting in a hotel room 1200 miles away from the machine which runs qemu (and that machine is currently powered off...) [01:10] scp 127.0.0.1 does nothing [01:10] stop trying localhost [01:10] :) [01:10] 127.0.0.1 won't work, silly [01:10] see how clueless i am toward linux networking? [01:10] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:10] i'm on dial-up... [01:11] that's not just linux networking, that's TCP/IP networking in general (it wouldn't work on windows, mac, or anything else) [01:12] i'd hope if i set up a ftp, samba, or apache service, i'd hope localhost would work in testing to see if it's even working [01:12] i should just say fuck this whole 32bit 64bit bullshit because all i've wanted to do for the past week is play sonic the hedgehog... [01:12] and it's been fail after fail [01:13] naw [01:13] I could play sonic on a slackware64 install, if I were at home [01:14] so you can too [01:14] gotta compile gens first [01:14] i got it compiled but now it's stuck on my vm lol [01:14] tried playing it on the vm? :) [01:15] then why even use 64bit and go multilib? [01:15] i could have saved myself a ton of trouble [01:15] btw, this is kind of an outdated emulator, but it does compile for 64-bit: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/games/generator_cbiere/ [01:15] and yes, it does play sonic [01:15] no way dude [01:15] i've put WAAAAAY too much effort for gens [01:16] got it compiled and ready to me stuck into my 64bit multilib, just i can't get it off my vm [01:16] whats the easiest/quickest way that doesn't require reading through man pages for days at a time? [01:17] does the vm have an IP address? (or if you run "dhcpcd eth0" on it, does it get one?) [01:17] Cann0n, really depends on how you set up your vm, i think [01:18] shonudo: it's slackware 12.2 [01:18] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] no, i mean what you did with networking [01:18] I can't even remember which VM software you're using [01:18] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:18] vmplayer [01:18] ah. Do you have the ability to edit the machine settings? [01:18] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [01:19] moving to slackware 13.1, do i need to rewrite my udev rules? during bootup the screen scrolled so fast i cant see the complaints [01:19] or at least view them? [01:19] yeah [01:19] the easiest thing to set up in vmware is host-only networking [01:19] i gat get internet on the wm [01:19] ah! [01:19] dimm0k : try "dmesg". It will print out the kernel message until now to the standard output [01:19] "/sbin/route", look for the default route. That will be the host, scp your file to that IP [01:20] dimm0k : If you want to record it, dmesg > dmesg.txt [01:20] crocket: i have... but nothing there similar to what i saw during boot... [01:20] (unless I'm mis-remembering. Long time since I used vmware) [01:20] or hell, create a gmail account, email the damn thing to yourself from within the vm :) [01:20] dimm0k : I was also wondering if dmesg really prints the kernel messages on boot. [01:21] dimm0k : Slackware shouldn't be different from any other linux distros about kernel. [01:21] google it [01:21] may /var/log/messages or /var/log/dmesg? [01:22] I plan to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.34 and install plymouth. [01:22] Please somebody stop me if installing plymouth is a nightmare. [01:22] interesting... /var/log/dmesg differs from the dmesg i create with /etc/rc.d/rc.local [01:23] Urchlay: scp doesn't work [01:23] dimm0k : dmesg should only show kernel messages since you booted this time. [01:23] scp 192.168.195.0 /root/samba/gens-2.15.5-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz [01:23] not found [01:23] yeah, dmesg is showing nothing similar to the "error" messages that scrolled by during boot [01:24] scp /path/to/file user@ip:destination # that's how it's done [01:24] oh [01:24] man scp didn't tell me that [01:24] also, I doubt 192.168.195.0 is the correct IP for your default route [01:24] thats what it showed [01:25] dimm0k : I think the output of dmesg is more detailed than the boot time messages. [01:25] neither does /var/log/messages.. [01:25] you want the IP in the 2nd column of the row that has "default" in the first column [01:25] that didn't work [01:25] It can't hurt to pastebin /var/log/messages or /var/log/dmesg instead of the boot time messages. [01:25] oh [01:25] default 64.268.153.1 0.0.0.0 UG 305 0 0 ath0 [01:25] dimm0k : I'm sorry I can't help you. That's all I know. [01:25] crocket: dmesg isn't showing any problems... but during boot, i'm pretty sure i see stuff similar to entries in the udev rules [01:26] mine would be 64.268.153.1 (except it's not even a valid IP address, I edited it before pasting...) [01:26] crocket: ok, thanks for the help though [01:26] dimm0k : If you don't mind, use a video recorder for recording your boot time messages. [01:26] probably pointless, I bet my IP is showing [01:26] Urchlay: nope. still nada [01:26] it was x.x.x.2 [01:26] *shrug* [01:26] I sometimes use my digital camera to record fastly-passing error messages. [01:26] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) joined ##slackware. [01:27] going by memory, which is faulty [01:27] crocket, that's a good idea! [01:27] dimm0k : do you have one? [01:27] all the howtos i've found all were windows xp with ubuntu vm's [01:27] well i have a digital camera capable of video... dunno if it'd be fast enough though [01:27] dimm0k : It's usually fast enough, but the problem is the size of the screen it can contain. [01:27] and apparently ubuntu comes with samba that works out of box without having to configure the smb.conf or some crap [01:28] Too far, you can't see texts. Too close, you can't see the whole screen. [01:28] crocket: true, however i just need a snippet of whatever i saw so i can google it [01:28] ok' [01:28] Then video-record it [01:28] thanks for the video idea! beats trying to follow it with the eyes! [01:28] and frame by frame, see [01:29] Cann0n, i wouldn't trust a samba setup that worked out of the box... i'd be all over the samba.conf closing stuff down [01:29] hehe [01:29] lemme try that now... reboots galore [01:29] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:30] shonudo: i don't have to cloe up any secrutiy holes. i'm JUST JUST JUST JUST trying to take a file from my vm and sticking it in /tmp [01:31] okay (and this is stupid) but can you copy the file you want to a flashdrive or similar? [01:31] nope [01:31] that was my first plan, but the vm can't detect my thumbdrive [01:32] any of teh 4 i have [01:32] not including the built-in sd card reader [01:32] can you leave the vm at all? (i mean get the data out of the vm in any way) [01:32] yeah. Email it to himself. [01:32] that works [01:33] (no joke) [01:33] not unless i email it to myself and i'm on dial-up so double the time i already wait aint' an option [01:33] oh, dialup [01:33] i'd hate to have to download gt4, compile it, upload it, download it and install it again [01:33] cli_ (~cowyn@li110-174.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:33] go read docs on vmware's networking then. I can't remember well enough to help, I'd have to read the docs myself to to anything useful [01:33] (if I knew, I'd say) [01:33] i've read so many docs in the past 2 weeks [01:34] cli_ (~cowyn@li110-174.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [01:35] Cann0n, another stupid question: is the data ONLY in the vm? [01:36] shonudo: well, seeing as i can't seem to transfer in or out, yes. i dowloading gens through the vm [01:37] you've got a cul-de-sac vm; i'd just email it (no matter how long it took, it would take less time than trying to figure things out) [01:37] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:38] i'm not going to be emailing myself shit [01:38] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [01:42] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:45] i'm trying to remember using vmware server... iirc, i could network fine, i just couldn't access the drives on the host box [01:46] mmm can you install an ftp server in the vm ? [01:48] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:48] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:48] if it's slack 12.x full, it should have gftp installed i think [01:50] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [01:50] yeah, i dunno how to use all that crap [01:50] i'll have to read it all tomorrow [01:50] i got another problem on my hands [01:51] the dog i'm taking care of has a hurt back leg. iirc, the owner told me she had surgeory on it.. something about pins [01:51] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-39-165.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:51] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:51] dog isn't walking... and i dont have to cash to throw down on wasting on a dog [01:51] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [01:52] look, you spend the cash and fix the dog... you attach your file to the dog... you attach directions to your remote machine to the dog... [01:53] nevermind [01:53] just a thougt [01:53] thought* [01:53] i'm glad i don't have any pets that are suffering... i'm the type that would rather take the animals life instead of have it limp around for the rest of it's life [01:54] plus dog surgeory is... crazy [01:54] ftp would take on a whole new meaning (file to pooch) [01:55] depression sets in... [01:56] dog yelps when i pick her up [01:58] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:59] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: chao pajudos =P [02:01] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [02:06] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [02:07] how can I launch *.jnlp files with java? [02:07] eycel (~eycel@67-61-15-122.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:08] http://lopica.sourceforge.net/faq.html [02:10] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:16] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:16] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:17] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:19] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:20] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [02:21] shonudo: I already have java, then why dont' I have java web start? [02:21] my java is in /usr/lib/java/bin/java [02:21] is JRE something different? [02:22] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:26] tew (tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [02:26] Nick change: tew -> tewmten [02:27] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:27] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [02:29] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:34] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [02:35] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:37] I installed jdk, but I still can't launch .jnlp from web. browser asks to save the file. any idea what I need to do? [02:38] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:41] mrcarrot (1000@86-60-156-248-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [02:41] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-118.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:41] I finally prepared a working set of os-prober and grub2. [02:42] It's a great achivement [02:42] isn't lilo good enough? [02:42] It is good enough, but I want diversity. [02:42] Sometimes I use lilo and sometimes grub2. [02:42] I didn't delete lilo. [02:43] Lilo and grub2 exist in symbiosis. [02:45] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:46] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: ZzzzzzZzzzzzz!!!! [02:47] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:47] Grub2 detects vmlinuz-huge and vmlinuz-generic and adds both to the menu. [02:47] Are they both needed? [02:47] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [02:49] crocket: no. the generic is the recommended kernel to use but it requires an initrd [02:50] mkinitrd [02:50] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:50] I booted using huge [02:50] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:50] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.38.248) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:50] waits for command, then pastebins it and copies to clipboard: http://pastebin.com/HbP06WXP [02:51] pupit, which wm/desktop/whatever are you using? [02:51] hi all, can you connect to http;//slackbuilds.paissad.net or http://deb.paissad.net ? .... since i upgraded httpd to httpd-2.2.15 .. i cannot connect to my sites .. even if httpd service starts corrrectly ... really weird [02:52] the matter occured after i upgraded to 13.1 [02:52] andarius: thats it :) amazing [02:52] shonudo: ehm kde [02:52] so why the script? [02:53] pupit: yes sir [02:53] may someone help ? [02:54] paissad: I am not overly motivated to connecto to some random site. Have you verified the config file for httpd? [02:54] shonudo: it simplifies process of copy-paste texts... [02:54] it's neat [02:54] andarius, the config file did not change (even after the upgrade) [02:54] but you can copy and paste texts just about anywhere in kde [02:55] ctrl+v or right click (although i'm copying your script nonetheless) [02:56] Then the answer would be yes, you verified the config [02:56] shonudo: im not lazy, but have you ran the script? [02:56] pupit, i'm about to [02:57] just read through first [02:57] i dont have to "select" and do a "copy" [02:57] 2 steps less [02:58] thats only for commands now... im noob still [02:58] and have to export it so you can run it from anywhere [03:01] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:04] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [03:04] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [03:05] say in 13.1 I noticed with my laptop that in the console to switch between virtual terminals I'd hold down either the fn or alt key then press the left and right arrows and this would switch me to another term, well I'm compiling 2.6.33.4 and I lost this function with the keyboard, anyone know? [03:05] I have CONFIG_VT, CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE both compiled [03:06] guys, i have my sites that don't work anylonger since i upgraded httpd during the upgrade to 13.1 .. here is the result of (head -100 /var/log/httpd/error.log) ... it seems that the new version of apache is incompatible with some modules, do i have to rebuild httpd or each module separately ? [03:06] thanks in advance for helping [03:06] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [03:07] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:07] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:08] hey, i just installed slack64 and its crashing on load [03:08] well [03:08] ok [03:08] lilo didnt work [03:08] so i tried hugesmp.s root=/dev/sda2 rdinit=ro [03:08] and it crashed [03:08] so i tried huge.s still crashed [03:09] and why wont lilo run in this installer? happened on two of my machines so far [03:11] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] slackin: lilo.conf? [03:13] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [03:13] slackin, where did you put lilo? [03:14] (mbr? etc) [03:15] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:15] paissad: have you backed up you config? [03:15] there is this tool, for log file analyzing, called logwatch, i like it, but it looks like it's not available in slackbuilds.org, is there anything like that in slackbuilds? [03:16] paissad: when doing upgrade, did you say "yes" to use new conf file? [03:17] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.190) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:17] zux1wrk: http://repo.fuckup.org.ru/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/logwatch/ [03:17] don't know if i'd trust it, but it's there [03:17] fuckup.org sound like a decent place to download binary packages... [03:18] i can name at least 3 people who are probably part of that organization... [03:18] pupit, i did not use new config files ... i'm still with previous ones [03:18] i'm probably a part of fuckup too, but that's exactly why i don't want tu trust it.... [03:19] s/tu/to/ [03:20] ehh, the USA is probably still sleeping :( [03:21] ok boys and girls the SUBJECT tonight is ---> CONKY :) [03:21] paissad: im clueless, id remove the httpd then install it again [03:21] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: logic does not allow for maybe [03:22] zux1wrk: try this -- http://www.linuxpackages.net/search_view.php?by=name&name=logwatch&ver= [03:22] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-118.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:23] well since nobody knows anything with the same functionality in slackbuilds, i'll probably just write a slackbuild myself [03:23] for logwatch [03:23] looks like it could use it [03:23] nothing since 12 [03:31] pupit, problem solved .. the matter came from a module ... (mod_ruby) [03:32] thanks [03:32] paissad: glad you solved it :) [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.43.144) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:36] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.101.99) joined ##slackware. [03:38] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:38] good morning :) [03:40] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [03:44] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:44] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:50] john_dee (~id@93-81-140-33.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:50] lp.net? ugh. [03:50] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-202-075.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:51] ok - who said the "L" word?????? [03:51] Why not just stab yourself with a rusty galvanized pipe? [03:51] shonudo did [03:51] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Witch!!! Burn!!! [03:51] indeed [03:51] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [03:52] burn eyeballs! [03:56] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:56] ping timeout? sure...seems more like an escape to me... [03:56] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [03:57] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:57] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [03:58] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:58] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:58] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:00] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-erkuhickbjxiemls) joined ##slackware. [04:02] damn cowards [04:03] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.34.153.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.203) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:04] vfs kernel panic anyone? [04:06] I successfully ported grub2 and os-prober, but I can't enable graphical grub2 still. I can only see text-only grub2. [04:07] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Maybe there are missing dependencies. [04:09] crocket: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Grub2 [04:10] crocket: better; http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#Visual_Configuration [04:11] hmm [04:11] Do you use slackware, gentoo, and archlinux? [04:11] better uber method i have not tried though supposed to be uber [04:11] crocket: yes i use all three [04:11] i use Linux [04:12] You're a hardcore linux user [04:12] erm [04:12] you are in a Linux chat [04:13] lol [04:13] :) [04:13] I have used fedora, ubuntu, gentoo(only for days), debian, and openSUSE(for hours). [04:13] now using slackware [04:13] I can't count the distro's I've used on my 2 fingers [04:14] *hands [04:14] lol [04:14] i have used most "famous" distros... slackware since end of 90's [04:14] whores [04:14] more coffee [04:14] right ow i am running slackware, openbsd and netbsd [04:14] now* [04:14] the BSDs rock :) [04:15] Aidar-Nagato (admin@95.105.45.213) left ##slackware. [04:15] both slackware and *bsd are having their places [04:16] at work i am using slackware for wine and samba... something openbsd is not having [04:16] yeah, the BSDs don't support my netbook enough so use linux on it [04:17] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:19] morning o/ [04:20] good morning phrag [04:20] heya phrag [04:20] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-239-121-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] someone ninja'd my coffee this morning.. if i catch the culpret they lose network access for the rest of the day =P [04:23] or....redirect all their web traffic to http://midgetsex.com [04:23] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [04:24] heh, on the fly mogrify =P [04:24] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [04:25] stealing a man's morning coffee...how low can you go? amirite? [04:25] Hanging is too good for that offense, mancha. [04:25] :D [04:26] they can pick....hanging or a life of using ubuntu [04:26] Action: mancha ducks :) [04:26] How many people actually use clean-system when they upgrade? [04:26] I know it exists to make things less complex (and that means less chances of breaking something), but do you guys really reinstall everything after every system upgrade? [04:26] you mean a start-from-zero for a version upgrade? [04:27] popl, yes, that i how i do it. [04:27] popl: sometimes i do, yes [04:27] usually when a fresh release comes [04:28] I wanted to go from 13.0 to 13.1 [04:28] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D049.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] i will print a list of /var/log/packages (usually with sbo or jb in the name), clean system, then reinstall what i actually need [04:28] popl : prepare the list of packages you want to reinstall before cleaning. [04:28] I figured something like that, phrag. [04:29] it is amazing how much crap you accumulate that you only realize you don't want when you upgrade :) [04:29] Yes, I can imagine mancha. [04:29] with systems with apt-get or yum you accumulate a lot more crap... because it is too easy [04:29] "oh hey that seems good, let me install" fast-forward-one-year "what the hell is the suite good for? who knows, removepkg...." [04:30] ls -l /var/log/packages/|wc --lines # 966 packages o_O [04:30] mrcarrot: Right. And OS X is based on FreeBSD [04:30] Action: mrcarrot is having 931 lines... [04:31] Ok, my second question is: will removing the packages delete /etc/ configuration files? [04:31] should I back that up? [04:31] the ones that came with the package, yes [04:31] Action: mrcarrot does not like freebsd [04:31] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.34.153.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:31] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:31] freebsd was really great until 5.0... then it want just down [04:31] popl: yes, you should backup /etc/ if you wish to keep those files [04:32] removepkg will remove configuration files also [04:32] yikes [04:32] Anyone experiencing flash issues with Firefox and Slack 13.1 x86_64? I notice on video sites like youtube where the gui becomes completely unresponsive. The video still plays but I can't pause or adjust the playhead.. [04:33] mrcarrot: I am saying that my statement was as correct as your "with systems with apt-get or yum you accumulate a lot more crap" [04:33] wescotte: i can't say i have.. did you reinstall flash ? [04:34] Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45 ? [04:34] I have no love for that beast. [04:34] I have to use VirtualBox and Windows XP to watch Hulu. :( [04:34] roll on webm mass adoption [04:34] and then I can't go fullscreen. [04:35] phrag: yes 10.0_r45 [04:35] Not that I need to be watching tv shows anyhow. [04:35] phrag: When you eventually reinstate your old configuration files, how do you handle that? [04:35] popl: because Hulu doesn't allow 64bit flash? I think they got it working again recently.. [04:36] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-239-121-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:37] popl: well, in general, after upgrade.. reinstall package, keep the orig and replace with old configuration [04:37] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-239-121-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Morn [04:37] wescotte: I just tried and got the error. [04:37] :/ [04:38] sometimes its better to use the .new configuration files, and edit according to your old ones [04:38] morning Zordrak =) [04:38] is it like gorgeous weather ? [04:38] phrag: So basically I'm in for a long night of editing configuration files? :) [04:38] perhaps, depends on your setup =P [04:38] lol [04:39] popl: in general, using the new config files is best... unless you have some very custom setups [04:39] oh sure, new configuration options for new versions makes sense [04:39] popl: ah you're correct.. I tried it before and some intro video plays.. When the show starts it fails.. [04:39] same here, wescotte [04:39] but hey, at least we can watch the commercials right? :P [04:40] Anyone know what their deal is with 64bit flash.. seems like an odd thing to break [04:40] wescotte: It's not Hulu's fault, it's because of the Flash player. [04:40] popl: there is always http://eztv.it [04:40] Adobe is "working on it". [04:40] but it worked in the past didn't it? [04:40] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.34.153.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Yes. [04:41] Adobe amazes me at how slow they are at doing anything [04:41] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-116-167.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:41] CS5 FINALLY is 64bit compatible and I'm sure it's buggy as all hell. [04:41] phrag: btw, thanks for all your suggestions. [04:42] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:42] everyone else that did, too. [04:42] Yay for grammar errors. [04:43] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [04:44] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.34.153.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [04:44] wescotte: You can try what I am going to try in order to be able to watch Hulu on x86_64. [04:44] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [04:44] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-239-121-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:44] That will be after I upgrade to 13.1 though. [04:44] I've really never used hulu.. [04:45] I have a DVR and virtually every channel my cable provider offers [04:45] but I might have to do that as I might want to use wine in the future [04:46] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:46] every few years I get an itch to play Diablo 2 again :) and it does run under wine [04:47] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.34.153.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:49] Nick change: oobe -> menotoobe [04:49] Nick change: menotoobe -> oobe [04:50] Do you think the Slackware Tux will ever have a cane to go with his pipe? Maybe a rocking chair as well? ;) [04:51] i prefer a walker... [04:51] hehe [04:53] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[05:05] http://connie.slackware.com/~msimons/slackware/grfx/shared/slackpenguinlogo.jpg [05:05] Seeing as how I wasn't talking about Tux showing up anywhere, Zordrak, I think you've leapt across assumption chasm. [05:05] :) [05:06] mancha's got the one I was thinking about. [05:06] meh [05:06] Yes, meh. [05:06] :P [05:08] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [05:10] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:13] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:14] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfkb4qLIQ7k&feature=player_embedded [05:16] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:18] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:18] NeanT (~me@188.27.114.176) joined ##slackware. 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[05:41] im trying to do this for the job though ;p [05:41] ComputerNewbie: yeh, get into a company and do the job [05:41] ComputerNewbie: there are no shortcuts [05:41] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.27) joined ##slackware. [05:41] but to get the job, i'd need to be good with it first :p [05:41] ComputerNewbie: theres no fast quick fix burger king education on this stuff [05:41] i spent 10 years playing with Linux at home.. i've learned more in the last 3 months of work than i have in years [05:42] it's all about exposure to systems/procedures [05:42] ComputerNewbie: internships [05:42] you can't get that exposure unless you jump into it [05:42] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [05:42] ComputerNewbie: volunteer work for charity [05:42] yeah im trying to jump in [05:42] i'd work for free too [05:42] hours and hours and hours and hours of working on systems and making them do complex things [05:43] ComputerNewbie: i also found my first SA position hard to aquire... most places want someone with at least *some* commercial experience [05:43] yeah [05:43] thats the thing :p [05:43] well i guess ill keep looking [05:43] Action: surrounder is happy his first jobinterview went allright :P [05:43] the way i would approach it is, you are looking for your first SA job, will accept a low pay and demonstrate your enthusiasm and outside projects you have been involved with [05:44] couldn't show any experience at all but the knowlegde was there so I got the job [05:44] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [05:44] if you show you spend all your spare time on Linux, then someone will see potential and hire you... just hang in there [05:44] indeed [05:44] Then you work your nuts off going beyond the call of duty to demonstrate commitment and enthusiasm [05:44] it took me like 6 months to find a good SA job for my level of experience in my area [05:44] Zordrak: precisely [05:44] Took me 18.. and only cause i got lucky [05:45] I didn't look for it, someone pointed it out to me [05:45] <- lucky bastard [05:45] was still in school at that point but I quit that [05:45] i even had a little exam for this job [05:45] like 15 linux questions, some hard, some straight forward... it separated the men from nabs tho =) [05:46] hehe [05:46] phrag: give one example [05:46] and then.. had the directors grill me by googling rock hard linux question they themselves didnt know the answer too! aha [05:47] and you took the job? [05:47] 1) how would you remove the file: --bleh [05:47] rm -- --bleh [05:47] damn!@# [05:47] yeh i took it, turned out to be awesome.. although i start on call on friday =P [05:47] (on call)-- [05:47] nickals (~nickals@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [05:47] gawd I hate that :P [05:47] would have a hard time working for a place that judged talent on the ability to recall irrelevent reference material [05:47] I have it 2 weeks in a row [05:47] phrag: consider yourself lucky to have any other staff around. Im on call 24x7x362 [05:47] so long story short, it was worth waiting for the *right* job for me [05:48] Zordrak: ouch! [05:48] Zordrak: oh dude, i do feel for ya.. we share between 3-4 people [05:48] i would never join a company that would have me as an employee [05:48] haha [05:48] lol [05:50] another question was 'what do the values correlate to in iotop' [05:51] i didnt get that one off the top of my head [05:51] i thought the clolums were labled in iotop? [05:51] yeh, think they were asking from memory.. bit redundant tbh [05:52] trivial pursuit? or a interview? :> [05:52] ha, precisely =P [05:52] hehe [05:52] which SA works without *any* reference [05:53] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [05:53] Hello. [05:54] phrag: and you mostly do bash scripting? [05:55] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.38) joined ##slackware. [05:57] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:57] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88C69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:58] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:58] :( Why is it always quiet when I come in? [05:58] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [05:59] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD890EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:59] NeanT (~me@188.27.114.176) left irc: Quit: bye [06:02] What the hell am I supposed to do. Some moron with nothing better to do wants me to do a simple but unimportant task. He wont stop bitching about it and wants to argue that since he knows how I should let him do it himself instead of making him wait until i have time to do it... but there's no way im giving him enough control on the slack box to do it himself. Not a chance it hell. [06:02] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:02] This is the guy who used a password he wasnt supposed to know about to disable his virus scanner cos it slowed him down [06:02] riza: Hello. [06:03] Hi Mel-nix. :D [06:03] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:03] gh0st (~gh0st@adsl-70-136-39-156.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:03] Nick change: riza -> rizabawtie [06:04] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [06:05] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:05] pupit: well, i look after about 300 servers, plenty bash scripting, DB stuff, app deployment [06:05] hi! I'm trying to install Lyx from SBo's script (fos 64bit 13.1), but the script is for 13.0 and an old version. So I dl'ed a new binary, bumped version number in the script and ran it. Build failed silently with make Leaving directories (although binaries seem to be built). Any good ways to proceed? ;) [06:06] Zordrak: does he have any linux skills ? [06:06] Aldaron: using sbopkg or manual build script? [06:06] hello rizabawtie =P [06:06] Aldaron you should not have dl'd binaries but rather source code [06:07] phrag: skills would be a laughable term for them yes [06:07] mancha: oh, sorry. I dl'ed source code [06:07] dunno what made me write "binary" [06:07] also, what do you mean build failed silently? how do you know it failed then? [06:07] mancha: failed as in did not produce a package [06:07] if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, did it fall? :) [06:07] i noticed sometimes sbopkg fails, but the package actually builds... in that case, it is better to do it manually with the Slackbuild [06:08] phrag: I'm using the build script manually [06:08] the script should output something, is this running lyx.SlackBUild or using sbopkg or sommits [06:08] Hi phrag. :D [06:08] /tmp/SBo/package-lyx/ also only has usr/, I recall there should be install info [06:09] yes, so it is not getting to that part... [06:09] can you pastebin you lyx.SlackBuild ? [06:09] we had a girl at work email the team saying: "I used to keep a lot of my documents in Recyle Bin, but since logging in this morning they all seem to have dissapeared. I have always kept lots of documents in Recycle Bin, but somehow they all just dissapeared. Can you put these back please?" [06:09] The last few hundred lines the script outputs are test -z "thisnthat" || mkdir something and ginstall stuff [06:10] phrag: hahahaha oh man [06:10] basic means testing please =P [06:10] the ginstall stuff means things look good Aldaron [06:10] phrag: is that true? cos ive seen that story around different places many times [06:10] Zordrak: actually completely true, the guy opposite me has the email in front of him [06:10] here's my prediction: it is trying to cp stuff (the slackbuild) that is no longer there in the new version, files like AUTHORS, COPYING, etc [06:10] jeez [06:10] stuff of legend =P [06:10] the signs on recycle bins are in circles.. [06:11] Zordrak: there are many special people out in the world :P [06:11] thankfully they employ people like us to make stuff work =P [06:11] actually, I cleaned out my roommate's computer once cause it was running like crap and asked if I could clear the recycle bin.. she said no because she had stuff in there she wanted [06:11] Aldaron, see if there's a line like "cp -a AUTHORS COPYING ...." i bet one of those in that list is not in the source code anymore [06:11] >.< [06:12] phrag, raela that happened to me too, with two friends but they are retarded so i dont count kinda.. :S [06:12] 'recycle' is a bit ambigious to be honest, but even the most retarded computer user knows [06:13] pupit: yeah.. I'm just glad I asked.. [06:13] oh i didnt mean that in the medical sense, i apologise.. i just meant mentally challenged people =P [06:13] recycle bin is kinda lame, but it's like the real recycle bins where you put your soda cans, glass bottles, etc [06:13] mancha: http://pastebin.com/GRBpZC4R [06:13] well, maybe some people rarely take their recyclables out and sometimes pull things out for containers :P [06:13] you don't expect to get those empty diet coke cans back, amirite? [06:14] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [06:14] mancha: okay, the cp-line is a great tip, will check right now :) [06:17] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:17] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:17] i dont remember, i think i saw someone highlighting text with real marker, or it was a joke, who knows... [06:18] all cp stuff is there, and it fails before zipping man pages too [06:18] ok, then i need you to pastebin the last output before the script fails, the ginstall stuff [06:19] shoot for the last 50 or so lines before failure [06:20] ok, who stole my rubbish bin from my back yard? i keep valuables in there! [06:20] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [06:21] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [06:23] phrag: sorry, I wanted to use it for my keepsakes :/ [06:23] Action: rizabawtie runs away with phrag's bin as fast as lil' risa can. [06:24] I have that habit too though, I don't empty my recycle bin. [06:24] mancha: http://pastebin.com/U07YttFk [06:24] I just turn the stupid thing off [06:24] If i wanted something back i wouldnt have deleted it [06:24] if its critical its backed up [06:25] that's a good approach [06:25] I don't even do rm -i :P though zsh likes to confirm full directory deletions, even on a -f [06:26] i wish it wasnt on in kde by default.. its ridiculous to try to use dolphin to delete the contents of a USB stick only to find tha means *copying* the whole contents to the trash [06:26] hahahaha [06:26] Aldaron, i don't see a failure [06:27] i agree, i always shift+delete in kde [06:27] ..and leave the confirmation prompt on =P [06:28] D: [06:28] oh my, its absolutely glorious outside.. shame to be in office [06:29] Aldaron, is there a /tmp/SBo/package-lyx/usr/doc yet? [06:29] bah, I don't use a gui file browser much [06:30] I sometimes use konqueror if I'm looking for a specific picture, or if I'm sorting my picture dir and I want to see previews [06:30] actually, speaking of which, dolphin deleted 400GB of TV the other day [06:30] neither do i.. but when i do i like it to be simple [06:30] mancha: no [06:30] and dolphin is 100 times better at being a pure file browser than konqueror ever was.. its just theres still stuff that needs tweaking [06:31] i had a 'location shortcut' in dolphin on the left bar.. dragged a single file into it.. dolphin had a fit and deleted the entire contents of the dest dir... i was not amused [06:31] ew [06:31] ok, so it fails before that. what about the manfiles in $PKG/usr/man/man1 ? are they gzipped? [06:31] I've never seem dolphin.. I use fluxbox [06:31] lyx.1 or lyx.1.gz ? [06:31] nickals (~nickals@97.103.10.179) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:31] mancha: lyx.1 [06:31] yeh.. worst data loss bug i've encountered.. i could not track down the bug or would of submitted it, but lession learned.. i wont be using it for any file copying [06:32] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [06:32] i noticed sometimes when you move dirs in dolphin to another location, there are files missing, dont know if its still like that because i dont use it anymore :p [06:32] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [06:32] heh, sucks [06:32] shell ftw.. i actually find console to be far quicker at file managemnt.. unless of course they are silly names [06:33] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [06:33] Aldaron ok this is getting too hard...i recommend you run without the "set -e" and see where it is erroring out [06:33] seems 62-65 are to blame... [06:33] mancha: yea, I'll try that. Thanks for your help :) [06:34] but those looks terribly innocuous which makes no sense to me [06:34] Action: slava_dp suggests set -x or using trap + $LINENO :-) [06:34] phrag: ugh, yeah, that annoys me. I have a script that puts things to all lowercase/underscores, but some chars throw it [06:34] mancha: yea, and I did 62-65 by hand without error [06:34] well, script goes fine, but working with files sucks [06:35] can you go into the source dir and type make install DESTDIR=/tmp/SBo/package-lyx ? [06:37] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:37] also try 67-70 by hand [06:37] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [06:37] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [06:38] mancha: yea, they worked too :P. I'll have to wait trying make install by hand, already started the script without set -e [06:41] hi [06:41] i just installed slack 13.1 [06:41] and under boot up the text is big and ugly and then suddenly it change screen resolution and all the text become small [06:41] anyone know where that is done [06:41] and how it is done? [06:42] intel card? [06:42] yeah problem is i got splashy in the beginning and when it chnage the resolution then splashy logo goes away and just blank screen until it start X [06:43] jamess__: setting is in /etc/lilo.conf [06:43] ...blank screen with small text? [06:43] jamess__, pass i915.modeset=0 to the kernel. [06:44] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) joined ##slackware. [06:44] slava why would he want to do that? [06:44] jamess__, that would be the lilo.conf append= line [06:44] ok in lilo.conf [06:44] my line is [06:44] mancha, cause kms mangles his splashy image. [06:44] s/mangles/resets [06:44] append=" vt.default_utf8=0 nopat resume=/dev/sda2" [06:44] bug splashy devs to fix it then [06:45] so need new splashy version? [06:45] the solution isn't to make X inoperable so splashy works :) [06:45] jamess__: Do you get some instability when running X as well? [06:45] mancha: maybe splashy is better than X [06:46] jamess, don't set any VGA option [06:46] splashy works great in beginning of boot [06:46] but then it goes to high res [06:46] and splashy is gone [06:47] ok [06:47] i uncomment vga line? [06:47] not uncomment, comment [06:47] you don't want one [06:48] so just [06:48] vga = [06:48] DONT WANT A FUCKING VGA LINE [06:48] sorry, just had to let it out [06:49] yeah i mean # infront of it [06:49] i just boot with that [06:49] and no difference [06:49] first big text [06:49] then it switch mode and become small [06:49] also you probably want "quiet splash" as a kernel append param [06:49] but this time i dont see splashy at all [06:49] did you rerun lilo [06:49] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [06:49] yep [06:49] lilo -v [06:50] hello [06:50] i use this version of splashy http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/splashy/pkg/12.0/splashy-0.3.5-i486-1.tgz [06:50] add in "quiet splash" in the append param [06:50] that's ancient [06:50] the following error occurs in slack 13.1: [06:50] rizabawtie (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rizabawtie [06:50] yeah [06:50] i did not find a version for slack 13.1 [06:50] FATAL: Error inserting nfsd (/lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko): Invalid module format [06:51] do i have to recompile the kernel to fix this issue? [06:52] jamess__ that version might not handle kms yet...try getting a new one if my quiet splash recommendation doesn't work. [06:53] is there a splashy for slack 13.1 [06:56] danix (~dany@host33-100-static.39-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: ciau :D [06:56] jamess__: fix your nick please, it's annoying [06:59] phrag: tqb complete works well :P [07:00] ok [07:00] anyone know newer splashy for slack 13.1 [07:01] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:01] jamess__: >? [07:01] mancha: without "set -e" it finishes without error, the package installs and the binary works fine ;) [07:01] mysterious [07:02] jamess__: i know how to integrate fbcondecor [07:02] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:03] well splashy starts in the beginning when test is big under boot, and then when screen changes and text become small then splashy goes to blank scren [07:03] but wheres does the screen resolution change [07:03] can i disable that [07:03] so it has big resolution under whole boot so splashy works? [07:05] I had to run "startx -- -dpi 72" to make my fonts on my 40" TV look right... the actual DPI is 52 I think, but it gets the screen size all wrong, like 190x60mm or something [07:07] i can't get audio on my TV using HDMI cable, i need help [07:07] raela: got spell complete? =P [07:07] jamess__: actually [07:07] raela: no, it's more so my screen is not spammed with __ 300 times [07:07] OutBound: yeah [07:08] phrag: bah. I have drops oin my ear so my head is cranked.. you try typing like that! [07:08] ScreamerX: which kernel are you using? 'uname -r' [07:08] what makes slackware 13.1 change the resolutions in the boot? Splashy works for 5 seconds then just blank screen. On Slack 13.0 it work fine [07:09] jamess__: just for reference I use fbcondecor and it works great. Splashy kind of stinks even though it will work a patched kernel with fbcondecor works better. Though, on the same note it's not really a slackware issue so not supported here. [07:09] jamess__: That's KMS that's changing your resolution. [07:09] jamess__: IF you disable KMS, X will not work. [07:09] ah ok [07:09] so i must change to fbcondecor? [07:09] must there be something in lilo to enable it? [07:09] jamess__: You can, however, specify a resolution for the console with video=800x600 (for example) as a kernel option. [07:10] I have a problem with my screen saver. I can't disable it completely. But, if I run xscreensaver and kill it's daemon and quit, then the screen saver is gone... I have to run xscreensaver and kill it's daemon everytime I startx [07:10] mako-sama: 2.6.33.4-smp [07:10] i hate any form of screen saver or screen blanking [07:10] jamess__: yes fbcondecor works much better' [07:11] dislike, I should say [07:11] ScreamerX : your running the huge kernel which doesn't need the module to be loaded [07:11] jamess__: it is tough though to figure out at first [07:11] jamess__: because the information (the good info) is in French. [07:11] adamk: can i put the video=800x600 in lilo? [07:11] i wonder what's going on o'er at mozilla... 3.6.4 keeps getting delayed... [07:12] jamess__: Yes, you would add it to your append line. Obviously choose the resolution you want to use. [07:12] ok let me try [07:12] WildWizard: ive read the config file and saw that nfsd is in the kernel :-) but to get such an error is not nice [07:12] jamess__: if you can't get that then you probably will never get fbcondecor to work [07:13] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [07:13] i had to measure my screen with a tape measure, and set DisplaySize in my xorg.conf manually [07:13] how do you make emacs start up full screen under xfce? [07:13] adamk: so the vga= 788 must be vga=800x600 ? [07:13] WildWizard: i get the error during bootup [07:14] jamess__: video= *NOT* vga= [07:14] ah [07:14] sorry [07:14] ok set it now [07:14] in append line [07:14] and rbeooting [07:14] rebooting [07:14] stop spamming this channel [07:15] dang' [07:15] ScreamerX : See line 19-20 in /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd [07:15] no diff [07:15] must be using mibbit or some such [07:15] still starts splashy 5secs then blank screen [07:15] ScreamerX : or switch to a generic kernel [07:16] ScreamerX : in which case see /boot/README.initrd [07:17] WildWizard: thanks for the first advice :-) [07:17] jamess__: Can you log into the box? [07:18] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [07:19] adamk: he is just wanting splasy to work [07:20] ok so if i change to fbcondecor [07:20] any easy way to set it up [07:20] jamess__: use fbcondecor [07:20] so it loads same image that splashy did [07:20] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [07:20] i said it 3 times [07:20] how i use it? [07:20] anything in lilo.conf must be added? [07:20] you read [07:20] yeah [07:21] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [07:21] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] you will a modified splash utils package [07:21] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Action: spook prepares the popcorn [07:22] OutBound: I'm not so sure. He specifically asked about the resolution changing, and that's being done by KMS. [07:22] adamk: he wants a splash [07:22] well does not matter if it is splash or the other one [07:22] as long as it boots an image [07:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [07:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [07:22] :) [07:22] see [07:23] i google for fbcondecor quide but dont find [07:23] right [07:23] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) joined ##slackware. [07:23] the good one and the one you want is in French [07:23] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:23] i should make a new one in English [07:24] after my hand heals i will. :) [07:25] im installing gsb gnome lol i havent looked at gnome for ages [07:25] so any link to guide [07:26] jamess__: wiky fbcondecor slackware [07:26] search google [07:26] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:30] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:32] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:32] OutBound: cant find anything , do you have link to French guide? 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[07:43] hi [07:43] anyone know how to install fbcondecor [07:45] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:45] Action: slava_dp :D [07:45] Action: spook sighs [07:46] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] spook, had your popcorn already? :) [07:46] nothing to watch yet. [07:46] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [07:50] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:53] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:56] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:57] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:57] shadowx (~7350@singularity.darknetx.eu) joined ##slackware. [07:59] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:59] asamoah (~caio@190.244.54.145) joined ##slackware. [08:00] jamess__: please look for it and do it yourself [08:02] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Quit: necrogami [08:05] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:06] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: [08:08] OutBound, thanks for the pointer to fbcondecor by the way. a name is a useful piece of information to have sometiimes. [08:12] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:12] slava_dp: yeah, no prob. i'll write up a guide ( god willing) when my broken pinky heals. :D [08:13] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:13] OutBound, on slackwiki.org? :-) [08:13] you need your pinky to type? [08:13] how did it break? [08:16] i sure don't need the splint thethe broken piny entails [08:16] pinky [08:16] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [08:16] Action: slava_dp pictures OutBound typing with his nose [08:17] though no less than you are the scarecrow in search for a wizard. [08:18] wut? [08:18] exactly [08:18] wtf man [08:18] how my hand feels [08:20] i was talking to raela [08:21] I didn't get it, either [08:21] ^^ [08:21] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [08:22] ahh [08:23] seek out the wizard [08:23] shadowx (~7350@singularity.darknetx.eu) left irc: Quit: BitchX: anything else would be uncivilized [08:27] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [08:30] jomo (~mich@p3EE2116E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:33] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:35] Pete` (~user@001.a.003.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:36] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:36] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:38] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:38] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [08:39] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:39] hi [08:40] how do i configure "mail"? [08:40] :P [08:40] cr3: Hi. [08:40] thuzzik (~alberto@host27-27-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:41] where do i type in my address/ pop3 address/username so that i can read mails? [08:41] mail [08:41] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:41] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:41] Ummm.. Well you need some sort of mail reading application, such as thunderbird. [08:42] isn't mail a mail reading application? [08:42] cr3: So do you want to read mails or configure? [08:42] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) joined ##slackware. [08:42] cr3: mailx [08:43] cr3: $ mailx -H # will list the messages and subjects. [08:44] is it possible to use mailx to read gmail mail for example? [08:45] Check the man page for mailx on how to setup accounts. [08:45] cr3: A good question. [08:45] mail is a symlink for mailx as i see [08:45] cr3: Yes. [08:45] You can typically access gmail as an imap account, so check the man page and follow the steps :-) [08:46] ok [08:46] cr3: Most people recommend using mutt(1) though. [08:47] pine! [08:47] or alpine [08:47] Yeah, if I had a choice between mailx and mutt, I would go with mutt. [08:47] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:48] But, frankly, I wouldn't use either of those typically. [08:48] danix (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:49] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:50] i just find that "you've got mail" appealing... :P and i don't want to delete any mail, or send anything... that's why i asked about POP - in gmail settings there is something like "mark messages as READ in gmail when downloading using POP" but no such setting for IMAP [08:51] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) joined ##slackware. [08:51] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Client Quit [08:53] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:54] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Pete` (~user@001.a.003.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:59] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-225.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:01] thuzzik (~alberto@host27-27-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:01] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.156) joined ##slackware. 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[09:22] omg [09:23] i've managed to do "something" with fetchmail [09:23] but still there's no mail when i type in mail [09:23] but it says "there's 1 message" for me [09:23] but thats not what i wanted [09:23] i dunno where to type in username, pop3address in order to use mailx [09:26] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:29] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.34.153.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Bye [09:30] cr3: Have you read the manual? [09:30] a little [09:31] manual for mailx you say? [09:31] :P [09:31] i searched for pop [09:31] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [09:31] or account [09:31] I found a good use of grub2. [09:31] but i couldnt find anything informative [09:32] I install LILO on /dev/sda to use it as a main boot loader which only shows windows and linux in the menu, and I install grub2 onto /dev/sda5 to use it as a nested boot loader that shows details linux boot options. [09:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] cr3: "IMAP or POP3 client setup" [09:33] I don't know how to nest boot loaders using a single boot loader. [09:34] crocket: Why use 2 boot-loaders? [09:34] Mel-nix : I don't want to see lots of kernels initially. [09:35] wow, you push enter way too much crocket [09:35] If I choose just linux, I will see lots of kernels. [09:35] cr3, [09:35] thrice` : sorry [09:35] no, not you :) [09:35] i almost know what to do [09:35] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [09:36] crocket: A lot of kernels? Why so? [09:36] Mel-nix : I want to test a new kernel. [09:37] how do i use certificates [09:37] It's not a lot anyway [09:37] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Quit: gogie [09:37] I just want to organize all those clutters in the right place. [09:37] Grub2 finally works as expected by packaging and installing os-prober and unifont first. [09:39] I just need to tweak the background and foreground colors of menu texts. [09:41] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [09:41] crocket: easy to do/ [09:41] razec_ (~razec@187.34.19.194) joined ##slackware. [09:41] Tweaking colors is not easy without the right manual. [09:41] I'm finding it. [09:41] i have 8+ distros on my usb stick [09:42] By the way, grub2 package doesn't tweak the colors, you have to do it. [09:42] i boot grub4dos and grub2 from it [09:42] OutBound : How big is your usb stick? [09:42] 8gig [09:42] Not so big [09:42] That's only sufficient for one linux. [09:42] um [09:43] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:43] slitaz is roughly 30mb [09:43] you do not know linux [09:44] I don't want to use minimal linux since I like colorful and graphical environments. [09:44] then go elsewhere [09:44] my laptop makes any linux a colorful linux [09:44] please do not bother me again [09:44] I need One linux to rule the usb. [09:44] OutBound : what's wrong? [09:44] crocket: slitaz [09:44] see? those appear in VT, too! http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1378/may2010lines.jpg [09:45] razec__ (~razec@187.34.17.252) joined ##slackware. [09:45] OutBound : I didn't mean slitaz is bad, but I want a big linux with lots of features. [09:45] razec__ (~razec@187.34.17.252) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:45] crocket: honestly stupidity kind of irritates me so i digress [09:46] razec__ (~razec@187.34.17.252) joined ##slackware. [09:46] big_bass (~big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) joined ##slackware. [09:47] razec_ (~razec@187.34.19.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:47] big_bass (~big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] raela, what is that? [09:47] crocket: a dying lcd screen. also, fluxbox + conky [09:48] Conky is very light and fast however laking themes. [09:48] *lacking [09:48] meh [09:48] i'll try that later [09:48] raela : do you know a good system monitor with themes? [09:48] it downloaded 3000 mails while i only want to see if there are new ones [09:48] you can make conky look like anything you want, though :) [09:48] why do I want themes? conky is simple and does what I need. I have it even more minimal on the workstation I use [09:49] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] big_bass (~big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) joined ##slackware. [09:49] raela : how do you kill conky process? [09:50] crocket: ps x, kill pid [09:50] troll? [09:50] killall -9 conky [09:50] raela : Do you have a script that kills conky before exiting X session? [09:50] crocket: no, why would I? [09:50] conky will complain to the standard output that it doesn't have an X session when you reboot. [09:51] hmmm its looking like i might have to go back to slackware 13.0 or even earlier :( [09:51] never had that happen, and I turn my laptop off every afternoon [09:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:51] crocket: #conky has a free and open source channel [09:51] this isn't it [09:52] raela, btw, ps aux + kill PID can be easier with "pkill conky" :> [09:52] crocket, depending how you start conky, it can easily die with the x-session [09:52] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:52] thrice` : cool [09:52] thrice`: but I never do it anyway :P [09:53] i_is_cat: how come? [09:53] for example, 'autostart' things in fluxbox's autostart file will die when fluxbox dies. same if you load it from ~/.xinitrc directly [09:53] haldir (~haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] first 13.1 didnt want to boot to install then when i worked around it and got it installed it wont boot now.. i tried compiling a new kernel and got it to boot but it had no modules so i compiled some modules and now its back to not booting up anymore [09:54] haldir (~haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:54] haldir (~haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] i mean.. ya it was up and running.. but with a vesa graphics driver and no ethernet or wireless.. useless [09:55] razec__ (~razec@187.34.17.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:55] slackware is not to blame there, your kernel compile is wrong [09:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:56] i_is_cat: tryed slackpkg upgrade-all again? [09:56] thrice`: I should set up conky to autostart.. I end up doing it manually every morning, cause I'm a weirdo :P [09:56] an incorrectly compiled kernel won't boot on slackware 13.1, or ubuntu, or any distro you try [09:56] Srbo_ (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:56] stock slackware 13.1 will not boot up unless the noudev setting is added, no big deal, but once its installed after the first reboot, it hangs [09:56] raela, isn't there some ~/.fluxbox/autostart file or so ? :) [09:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] how is that *my* kernel compile being wrong? [09:56] i_is_cat: attention [09:56] noudev to the installer, or the huge kernel? [09:57] i_is_cat: answer my thought [09:57] (of course your system won't boot without udev!!!) [09:57] Srbo_ (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [09:57] thrice`: I can toss it in the init file I think. I have the wallpaper setting thing in there [09:57] OutBound, i have never once used slackpkg [09:57] thrice`: just haven't gotten around to it [09:57] thrice`: my system isn't booting either right now [09:57] my server [09:57] ok, one at a time :> [09:58] so i understand his boots [09:58] OutBound, which version of slackware, which kernel ? [09:58] and, which bootloader? :) [09:58] oh, I'm not looking for help, btw. just saying I'm one lazy f'er :P [09:58] thrice`: i can figure it out on my own [09:58] thrice`, udev doesnt seem to be the issue here except when booting from the installer usb stick i have to boot it with hugesmp.s noudev [09:58] thrice`: what i'm saying is he may not be able tp [09:59] to [10:00] i_is_cat, right; the installer tries to use udev in 13.1 to get your devices sorted out; of course, this is the first release to do so, so while it SHOULD be perfect (wink), it might not be [10:00] i_is_cat: can you chroot into slackware? [10:00] i_is_cat, however, AFTER it's installed, the huge kernel should boot without any parameters [10:00] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [10:00] i_is_cat: can you chroot into slackware? [10:01] thrice`, yes that makes sense, i didnt boot it with any strange parameters after install and OutBound yes i can i am already in the chroot'd drive poking at the new kernel again [10:01] good [10:02] thrice`: go ahead [10:02] synopsis buddy? [10:02] i_is_cat, I suppose there is a chance that if the huge kernel panics, the only way this is possible is an incorrect lilo.conf, or possibly it got the /etc/fstab entries wrong? I've never seen this before, but might be possible [10:02] OutBound, quiet [10:02] :> [10:02] well it boots up.. it hangs at a certain point during boot though. [10:03] ah, ok! that's good. have you tried letting it hang for a minute or two? [10:03] thrice`: how do you say quite to me? [10:03] when you do not have the answer yourself [10:03] i tried leaving it all night after the first install [10:04] hold on i'll reboot and check the line it hangs at [10:04] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:04] something to do with b43 something or other.. [10:04] codestr0m (~codestr0m@unaffiliated/codestr0m) joined ##slackware. [10:04] does anyone in here use amazon ec2? [10:04] wtf [10:04] I'd love for someone to push a 64bit slackware ami [10:05] we would like to build our compiler on slackware, but can't easily without an ec2 instance [10:05] go ahead thrice` almighty [10:05] ah yes here it is: b43-pci-bridge 000:01:00.0: pci int a -> gsi 16 (level, low) -> irq 16 [10:06] dartmouth (~cpunches@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [10:06] i_is_cat: do what he says [10:07] you are very strange OutBound [10:07] thats the line with the stock kernel on a stock install.. thats the line after i compiled a new kernel with (what i believe) are proper modules.. i tried removing the wireless b43 stuff after it happened again with the 2.6.34 kernel but it still hangs at the same line.. [10:07] hey guys if anyone uses a smaller /lighter install of slackware with or without kde and you want a X environment package tools that only depends on Xdialog I rewrote package tools in Xdialog works in slackware 13 simple and lite has dependency checking too [10:07] i'm giving credit where it is due [10:08] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:08] howdy; i have a radeon hd 5770 that seems to have a compatability problem with my motherboard that is only present in linux; i have like 5 spare mobos of different types and the card only fits the one-- so im buying a new mobo to fit it, but I don't want to buy a motherboard that the card won't fit on; any advice on how to best find one on newegg? im not really sure what im looking f [10:08] Action: phrag puts up a sign; To not give credit to this man. [10:08] or because im rather ignorant with graphics stuff [10:08] big_bass: thanks [10:09] phrag, ? [10:09] so... i havent got a clue what the issue is exactly.. its definitely something to do with the kernel and modules but after removing the b43 modules and having it hang on the same line i dont know.. [10:09] dartmouth: look at the port it fits/works in, google/wiki to find a similar looking port [10:09] big_bass: not for me though i'm sure someone will use it [10:09] dartmouth: match the interface slot (AGP, PCI-E etc) and also google your potential motherboard and graphics card combination [10:09] i_is_cat, the stock kernel complains about b43? if it's getting that far, all of your hardware is recognized and such, and the root partition shoul dbe going [10:09] raela: what i get confused on is the agp/pcie stuff because i think there are different kinds of pcie? [10:09] thrice`: your cheques bounced [10:10] yes that line i typed was the line i get off a stock install right after the first boot [10:10] it wont go further than that [10:10] 'cheque' is some silly brit thing? :p [10:10] aye, proper spelling =P [10:10] i_is_cat: on -current? [10:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [10:10] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] i_is_cat, out of curiosity, how did you manage to compile your own kernel, if the system never boots successfully? [10:11] dartmouth: take a picture of the port, good quality/lighting, and maybe someone will be nice enough to help you out [10:11] raela: it's a sapphire radeon hd 5770, so is that pcie? pciex2? [10:11] thrice`, boot to the usb stick and chroot the root drive [10:11] dartmouth: google your card, see what slot it fits.. google for a motherboard with that slot.. simple =P [10:11] dartmouth: google or find it on newegg and see.. [10:11] i_is_cat: do you know about kernel compilation? [10:11] wow.. a lot of cloud people around here :P [10:11] can bounce your choice in here for advice if you want [10:12] codestr0m: what? [10:12] phrag: I'm willing to pay for someone to create a 64bit slackware ami instance [10:12] raela, phrag: PCI Express 2.1 x16 bus interface per: http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-5000/hd-5770/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-5770-specifications.aspx [10:12] OutBound of course the kde one is the best but if you have an older setup kde is a bit heavy and xdialog follows the gtk theme compiled gtk2 [10:12] OutBound, while i may not be a kernel guru, the desktop im using this minute is on its 5th kernel with no issues and i use this system as a mythtv backend and print server that is on 24/7 [10:12] dartmouth: okay, so search for a mobo using that information [10:13] i_is_cat, sorry, I"m out of ideas; it's tough to pin-point where it's failing without a dmesg output, or a picture or something [10:13] what the hell [10:13] i wasnt paying attention and it booted [10:13] all the way [10:13] \o/ [10:13] crocket (crocket@121.168.91.143) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:13] codestr0m: ami ? [10:13] i_is_cat: do what thrice` says then if the issue still isn't resolved snd me a msg. He know what he's talking about [10:13] ok i_is_cat, now never shut it down [10:14] and do not touch it.. ever [10:14] bbiab :> [10:14] i_is_cat: maybe i know something he doesn't and vice versa [10:14] well im probably going to need to buy a proc to go with the mobo and have a limited budget but i also dont want ot buy junk [10:14] phrag: amazon instance.. basically I'm asking for someone to install slackware on ec2 and make it a public image (ami) [10:14] ah i see [10:14] lol right now its an amd athlon xp @ 2.2 ghz single core [10:14] thrice`, ya..... im super confused i just hit the power button a min ago and was talking in here not paying attention and it booted under the stock kernel it looks like [10:14] smoke break! [10:14] so i imagine a new proc will be necessary for the mobo [10:14] after a day and a half fighting with the piece of crap [10:15] phrag: i could go for one myself.. i quit a long time ago [10:15] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:15] i should reboot and see what happens.. but i'm scared [10:15] then pay attention [10:15] dartmouth: um.. maybe you should just buy an entire cheap system [10:15] raela, phrag: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.394164 [10:16] hmm ok.. lsmod shows no modules at all and my mouse isnt working.. [10:16] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:16] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:17] i_is_cat did you run depmod -a [10:17] lol the mobo im currently using literally has rust eating away at the capacitors [10:17] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:17] transistorts [10:17] big_bass, no i didnt.. wouldnt think i'd have to if it booted into stock slackware with the stock kernel.. but its worth a shot.. [10:17] or w/e t.h. im trying to type [10:17] oh great the keyboard isnt working either [10:19] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [10:19] i_is_cat i would spend a couple days running through a kernel building tutorial and researching the different module options and what they do. I'd also spend a couple days learning where the kernel looks for modules to add them and where it places them when you build them [10:20] dartmouth: if you're really unsure about what will go together, buying a preassembled computer is the way to go. otherwise, just do lots of research.. [10:21] dartmouth: I spent about a month of reading/researching to build the lab workstation. even then, I've made mistakes, but it works well for my purposes [10:21] dartmouth, are you sure thats rust? is it an old mobo suffering from the giant cap problem that happened a few years back? [10:21] also thanks for the suggestion [10:22] Avasz (~intern@unaffiliated/avasz) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Avasz (intern@unaffiliated/avasz) left ##slackware ("may be it was wrong!!!!"). [10:24] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:24] i_is_cat: probably but im buying the board to go with the gfx card. i bought it last year before halloween and still haven't been able to use it in linux due to a bug that ATI blames on slackware and slackware blames on ATI, and ATI rebutts with ominous hardware incompatability. [10:25] gotta love ati.. [10:25] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [10:25] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:25] so im dropping the coin and if i still get the bug im going to become an epic troll on ATI public venues lol [10:25] i_is_cat: this mobo im looking at buying, it says "military class components" -- is that good or bad? [10:26] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:26] they're limiting purchase to 5 mobos per customer [10:26] sounds like hype to me [10:26] mrcarrot (~miha@adsl-46.178-Static.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:26] i havent had good experience with msi products personally, not to say they are poor quality or anything.. but i avoid the brand [10:27] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [10:27] i have had just good experinces [10:27] on the opposite [10:27] biostar makes good quality cheap mobos [10:27] exactly, everyone has a different opinion [10:28] as with everything... vim vs emacs anyone? [10:28] no thanks [10:28] lol [10:28] :) [10:29] for me: MSI = paper thin mobos that warp/crack if you look at them sideways. Gigabyte = fairly high chance (still!) of having leaking caps [10:29] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:29] mrcarrot: I'd make out with vim. [10:29] well i really dislike gigabyte [10:29] I've had my best luck with Abit & Asus mobos (in that order) [10:29] i'm partitial to abit as well [10:29] raela: i said it more like a joke... but i am also on the vim side.. [10:29] i wouldnt be surprised if they're still afflicted by the cap problem and asus is the best i've used so far [10:29] mrcarrot: as did I ;) [10:29] but i havent used abit so i cant say one way or the other on that brand [10:30] i still have an abit be6 (!) and kt7a going strong [10:30] Action: mrcarrot wishes though that vim would have org-mode [10:30] the one asus i had crapped out :( [10:30] my mobo is pretty old now but i still love it .. the m2npv-vm it works great for mythtv and its rock solid with slackware on it [10:30] i have had many bad experiences with asus [10:31] typing this from a machine based on an Abit NF7-S board. it's seen a helluva lot of abuse (the worst being bounced around the cargo bay of a Greyhound bus for ~2800km). still works like a champ [10:31] M2N-E here iirc [10:31] i had once an abit mainboard [10:31] I got an asus board in february.. been going fine so far [10:31] i used it just a short time then i sold it... way too bad [10:31] lol alphageek my computer was also on a greyhound for roughly the same distance! [10:31] we are cousins! [10:32] moosejaw sk to london on [10:32] big_bass (big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) left ##slackware. [10:32] sudbury to edmonton here [10:32] lol [10:32] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] :) [10:33] how many hours were those trips? [10:33] though its had some upgrades since it made the trip.. new ram, new hard drives, new dvd drive, thermaltake medialab ;) [10:33] 48hrs for me [10:33] ang: ~46 hours [10:33] yikes! [10:33] its not fun [10:33] I remember it was a couple or so hours shy of 2 days [10:33] got high several times on the way back, though. that was fun [10:33] i once took a trip from new london, ct to montreal via greyhound .. I think that was ~18 hours [10:33] lol as did i [10:34] the way there i was paranoid but then i saw some guy rollin one in the seat ahead of me.. [10:34] carlosd (~kodorna@187.59.49.173) joined ##slackware. [10:34] actually, I switched in montreal to get to kingston, on [10:35] 'rest stop' == hop off the bus, scamper off to the nearest Timmies (coffee & munchies), have a puff on the way back to the bus [10:35] wee [10:35] codestr0m (codestr0m@unaffiliated/codestr0m) left ##slackware. [10:35] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [10:36] what had me paranoid as hell was the fellow sharing his stash said he was 'using it all up' because they have sniffer dogs at the toronto terminal [10:36] lol if you're lucky enough to get a stop near a timmies.. some of the stops were freaky [10:36] i heard that too [10:36] one of the guys on the way to sudz was telling everyone they had drug sniffing dogs at certain places.. [10:36] Action: alphageek had a 3gm stash of high quality bud in his luggage. oops? [10:37] are alienbobs usb scripts included in 13.1?// [10:37] end result? not a dog to be seen. anywhere [10:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:37] Skywise, yes [10:37] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@93-45-41-46.ip100.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:37] well two of them anyways.. [10:37] k, thx [10:37] so I ended up getting constantly buzzed on someone else's stash because of _his_ paranoia. win win [10:37] alphageek, yep same here.. thats why on the way back i was like psh whatever man.. ill puff all i want lol [10:39] when i came back from bc i had a half oz of finger hash on me it was stuffed in a bag then in a sock then in 6 more bags and then in my backpack and it STILL stunk [10:39] that made me pretty paranoid [10:39] WireWulf (smokybear@unaffiliated/wirewulf) joined ##slackware. [10:40] especially after being kicked out of a hotel because of it.. and i didnt even puff any LOL [10:40] danix (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:40] heh [10:40] good god [10:40] Action: surrounder is happy he can just walk 2 streets and buy it legally [10:40] heh [10:40] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:41] & here I felt like such a terrible person for having 3 grams of hydroponic bud (potent stuff, btw) in a pill bottle in my luggage [10:41] :) [10:41] yeah. .nl [10:41] hehe [10:41] prick [10:41] lol [10:42] lol [10:42] Action: alphageek should go visit family at some point [10:42] yeah quite spoiled actually, was in berlin a few years back and the weed there was really crap compared to what I'm used to [10:42] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [10:42] why does the slackware installer add a windows boot option to lilo when i say "no" when it asks me whether or not i want it to do that..? [10:42] nh. in & around schoorl & alkmaar [10:43] aah cool :) [10:43] i dont even have windows.. it sees the fat32 usb stick and assumes its windows [10:43] that's probably why [10:43] cteg_ (~heretic@host-091-097-165-196.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [10:43] alphageek: ever been in .nl before ? [10:43] do what I did with the netbook. boot from usb, then yank the stick before starting the installer [10:44] kodorna_ (~kodorna@187.59.49.173) joined ##slackware. [10:44] surrounder: a long time ago.. when I was 9 (45 in another couple of weeks) [10:44] lol then where would it find the files to install? [10:45] i_is_cat: the initrd is loaded into ram. by the time you're at a command prompt you don't need the usb stick any longer [10:45] Aidar-Nagato (admin@95.105.45.213) left ##slackware. [10:45] quote from a customer talking to a t/ser at the office: "but You don't know the reason that it is not possible to write to /tmp dir when it gets full?" [10:45] kodorna_ (~kodorna@187.59.49.173) left irc: Client Quit [10:45] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-202-075.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:46] well not to use basic cli sure.. but if i want to install from a usb stick the usb stick needs to be inserted so it can grab the packages [10:46] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [10:47] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:47] carlosd (~kodorna@187.59.49.173) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:48] alphageek: wuha, long time ago then :O you should come over soon before the EU decides our drugpolicy is bad :P (hope that'll never happen though :P) [10:48] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [10:49] Action: mrcarrot never uses drugs or alcohol.... [10:49] i_is_cat: oh, right. I conveniently forgot about that. I tend to do nfs installs as my usb sticks are only 1GB [10:50] i wanted to nfs install but it wont recognize the damned ethernet port [10:50] d'oh [10:50] thats what i get for buying hp.. [10:50] what hardware & which slack version? you have me curious [10:51] I had issues with my asus eeepc 1001p & 32/13.0 (kernel's too old to recognize wired & wireless). works flawlessly with 32/13.1 [10:51] its an hp mini 110-1030ca it was running slackware before.. cant remember which version but it was freaking flawless! then i had hardware issues and since its under warranty i had to bring it in.. they put windows on it.. now i'm trying for 13.1 [10:52] Action: mrcarrot wants a netbook... [10:52] did you get the same machine back or did they replace it? [10:53] mrcarrot: buy one! you prolly have loads of money if you don't drink booze! :P [10:53] same machine, they finally replaced the screen and fan after the second time returning it and over a month away at their depot [10:53] bought mine for only eur 250 or something [10:53] damn [10:54] i initially bought an acer which had better screen resolution but the onboard video was only a measly 8mb [10:54] then i had major wireless issues so i returned it and bought the pricier hp [10:54] got my eeepc 1001p for ~350CDN (I remember it was $408CDN with all taxes). best investment I've made in a long time [10:54] heh yeah, same here - love the thing [10:54] 1001 HA here [10:54] funny thing is.. the wireless card on this hp is supposed to be worse than the one on the acer.. but it works WAY better.. when the os is actually installed and running lol [10:55] worse for linux that is.. not worse in general.. [10:55] surrounder: stereo mics? if you (plan to) use skype, I have an .asoundrc that might be of use to you [10:55] surrounder: nope, i am not having a lot of money... this whole june i have about 300 EUR to live from with my whole family.. 4 pers [10:56] alphageek: cool! thanks! will keep it in mind if I finally install slack 13.1 on it :P [10:56] mrcarrot: wuha, that's not a lot :O [10:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:58] netbooks are great i cant wait until this thing is out of warranty so i can get a replacement screen with a better resolution and a touch panel to add to it [10:59] hehe yeah collegue of mine has a touch panel on his netbook, really awesome ^_^ [10:59] beerkid (beerkid@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] i have to admit i would probably almost never use the touch panel but its just something i want [11:00] Action: alphageek hates fingerprints on displays [11:00] me too [11:00] Action: mrcarrot also hates [11:00] bad enough I used to have to deal with feline noseprints [11:00] haha [11:00] lol my cats are being psychotic right now its awesome [11:00] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:01] i hate when my boss comes over to show me something, and smears grubby paw prints all over my nice shiny once clean monitor [11:01] also with a biro [11:01] get a projector :) [11:01] looooool [11:01] a touch projector! [11:01] if i moan, he replies... it's not your monitor! lol [11:01] phrag: i love our lab-env with ink on the screens [11:01] hehe [11:02] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-134-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:02] i have this one employee that pisses and moans every time I touch his monitor. i tell him all his base belong to me [11:03] I have a cron.php file that generates an xml file with permission set to 644 instead of 777. Would this need to be fixed with admin setting or some lines of php? [11:03] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:04] beerkid: umask [11:04] haldir: lol [11:04] Zordrak: Much thanks [11:07] mrcarrot (~miha@adsl-46.178-Static.ssp.fi) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:07] can 'kill' not take stdin ? [11:08] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:08] s aux | grep pts/2 | grep ssh | awk '{ print $2}' | kill - [11:08] ps* [11:08] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:09] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [11:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:11] you guys ever seen ^M on the end of lines in vim ? [11:12] remember the fix ? [11:12] dos2unix ? [11:12] Don't use vim [11:12] Action: Dominian ducks [11:12] that's how *I* personally fix it :D [11:12] allend (~allend@CPE-124-181-24-155.lns7.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:12] phrag: easy. [11:12] that fix works for me too [11:13] phrag: %s/^M//g [11:13] Dominian: bah [11:13] :) [11:13] I use vim/vi when I have to [11:13] i'd rather use nano [11:13] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:13] I use vim for everything. [11:13] same here [11:13] hmm, well it's not come from a windows machine [11:14] actually, it's the php devs work.. so probably has =P [11:14] phrag: it's improper line termination, regardless. [11:14] heh [11:15] phrag: you can use xargs for the kill question. [11:16] afternoon phrag. [11:16] :) [11:17] phrag: fromdos(1). [11:19] phrag: sed out the \r's :P [11:19] i use pico [11:19] -N (--noconvert) [11:19] Disable automatic conversion of files from DOS/Mac format. [11:19] man nano ^^ :-) just open and resave! [11:20] morning raela :D [11:20] morning, acidchild [11:25] MadVector (~root@0893820144.static.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:28] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:30] nachox_ (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. 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[11:41] allend (~allend@CPE-124-181-24-155.lns7.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:46] danix_ (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:49] acidchild: hey =) [11:50] there are 50+ api feeds. some i want to update at 3am once a day. some every 5 minutes, some every 20 minutes, etc. the only way i know how to set rules is by cpanel dashboard. is there a way to write all these custom rules in one file? [11:51] crontab ? [11:51] cron jobs would work [11:52] Nick change: xchg_chrap_chrap -> xchg [11:52] just make sure it's not a cron job from hell that keeps respawning children to the point of killing your server :) [11:53] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] phrag, shonudo: i know it can be done from control panel & shell but for ease, just wondering if there is a way to write rules in php [11:54] that way i dont have to create 50 files with redundant code & create shell line for each one of them [11:57] erm.. [11:58] i'll let you figure that out.. i have my own problems to solve =P [11:58] jspider1010 (~spider101@237.sub-174-220-208.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:58] beerkid, what app are you using for these feeds? [11:59] beerkid: sounds like a good exercise in bash shell scripting - with optimizations :) [12:00] Aidar-Nagato (admin@95.105.45.213) left ##slackware. [12:00] a big bash [12:00] shonudo: not as big as you may think [12:00] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:00] true, you can probably batch stuff together [12:01] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) joined ##slackware. [12:01] wondering, however, if a conf can be written at wherever the feeds ultimately end up [12:01] couple of function declares in the bash script, a text file with a list of feeds and update times [12:01] ^^ that would work [12:01] and it's easy to manage [12:02] Nick change: nachox_ -> nachox [12:02] then all you have to do (after debugging) is put a cron job for running at the shortest interval, then check the time to see which feeds get updated then [12:03] yeah, it ultimately ends up a cron job [12:03] you wouldn't want the bash script running "/bin/sleep" all the time, would you? :) [12:04] also good practice with using wget [12:05] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [12:06] we seem to have lost beerkid somewhere along the line here [12:07] maybe he drowned in beer =/ [12:08] i hope not... too much like an opera [12:12] Action: WireWulf appears [12:12] or a Mel Brooks movie [12:13] Action: WireWulf slaps alisonken1home with the histroy of the world pt.1 [12:13] Action: alisonken1home retaliates with Blazing Saddles [12:14] "They told me you were hung!" "And they were right!" [12:14] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:14] Mel Brooks is overrated. [12:14] you have to appreciate his humor [12:14] Someone had to say it. [12:14] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:14] same with Monty Python [12:14] alisonken1home: sure.. but its not as good as the praise that is usually lavished upon him [12:14] well, _I_ like his movies [12:14] even Spaceballs [12:15] heh [12:15] haha [12:15] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:15] whats the vim command to print all highlight colors? [12:15] I used it once but can't find it again [12:15] I'm more of a content manager than programmer but I will bring these thoughts to the developer and see what he thinks. Thanks! [12:15] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:16] and these feeds are coming in through twitter & friendfeed api [12:17] merged in our back end and then displayed for site visitors [12:18] print highlight colors? as in "what colors does vim use for highlighting"? [12:18] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@195.250.171.64) joined ##slackware. [12:18] or "print the text that's highlighted"? [12:19] did you fire up vim, then ":help" ? [12:19] jspider1010 (~spider101@237.sub-174-220-208.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [12:23] jakeday (1000@24-158-172-4.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:24] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:25] beerkid: there are lots of RSS/XML modules for verious programming/scripting languages out there. [12:25] maybe that is your best route of research? [12:25] python would be good for that [12:26] danix_ (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Action: acidchild would and has done it in perl ;] [12:27] forget perl - sounds like a beginner to me [12:27] strankan (~strankan@c-23cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:27] uh... i dunno if i would say python is easyer... [12:28] easier than perl for a beginner :) [12:29] I dunno, I took a class with a week of both and I liked perl better [12:29] beerkid3 (~beersage@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] its pretty [12:30] python uses way too many __'s [12:30] acidchild, I wrote my very first perl script the other day! that I thought up / wasn't for a class :D [12:30] and it even worked :) [12:30] nope - those are just conventions for variables that are NOT supposed to go outside the package [12:30] or the function [12:30] you don't need to use __ in your variables [12:31] strankan (~strankan@c-23cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [12:31] and if you're calling them directly, you're setting yourself up for upgrade fail on your scripts [12:31] strankan (~strankan@c-23cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:31] here's some fun. I've just now started experimenting with suspend to disk/ram on the netbook & noticed that wireless performance is absolute crap after thawing (we're talking ~2.4MB/s before to ~20KB/s after). any suggestions for dredging up a solution? [12:31] raela: nice, when it works its pretty awesome. [12:32] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Quit: meh! bleh! fffffffooooooooooccccccccccuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssssssssss [12:32] wireless hardware: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2427 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) [12:33] alphageek: wireless cards are so prone to locking up or going stale.. when you mess with their power options. [12:33] alphageek: what driver are you using btw? [12:33] beerkid (beerkid@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:33] ath9k. it's a b/g nic with n bonded out [12:33] unloading the driver properly on suspend... and reloading + ifup [12:34] i'm guessing if you reboot, it goes back to being perfectly ok? [12:34] haven't tested with a simple reboot, no. full power cycling works [12:35] tryed unloading then reloading the driver? you have all the other modules blacklisted? [12:35] dmesg!! [12:36] alisonken1home: there's a command just dumps all your current syntax and other highlights, with examples [12:36] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] 'have all the other modules blacklisted'? _what_ other modules? [12:37] wl, ath5k.. mac* [12:37] the hardware never requests them, so why bother? [12:37] are you sure? [12:38] are you able to use iwpriv or iw against the chipset? [12:38] mac80211 is loaded. from a fresh boot, btw [12:39] cool, its loaded another one also then, i forget the name.. [12:39] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:39] cfg80211 [12:40] its ether card or driver... right? or a miscommunication between them... more than linkly. they all spew to klog... useful standpoint... if you can unload and reload the driver this means... you have a solution.. otherwise your card is going stale or locking up somehow, (dmesg or maybe iw/iwpriv) will give you the reason or an option [12:41] this is all quite new to me. dunno what to look for in dmesg & crawling through the iw/iwpriv manpages is leaving me more than a little confused [12:42] Aidar-Nagato (admin@95.105.45.213) left ##slackware. [12:42] confusing to all i think :/ i spent 8months working with them wireless cards. [12:42] raela: so what did you write? [12:44] (16:27) < Guest02182> hru ctc asl abc 123? [12:44] woah [12:44] ^^ LOL seriously, someones non-sarcastic responce. [12:45] acidchild: thank you. simply 'rmmod ath9k ; modprobe ath9k' then waiting a few seconds for wicd to reset the connection worked a treat [12:45] $ pv /elements/helium/pub/mirrors/slackware/slackware-13.1-iso/slackware-13.1-install-d1.iso > /dev/null ; beeps [12:45] 128MB 0:00:57 [2.16MB/s] [======> ] 21% ETA 0:03:26 [12:45] acidchild: it's probably super inefficient but it makes me excited :D http://pastebin.com/ih6S2RpR [12:45] \o/ [12:45] alphageek: \m/ woot [12:45] so now, on your suspend.. just get it to do that ;D [12:45] edthix (~ed@124.13.34.207) joined ##slackware. [12:46] raela: awe ;x tis cute. [12:47] now I just have to figure out where to reload ath9k when resuming [12:47] i've been writing a module for THC Hydra. currently my tool searchs yahoo, checks open ports on hosts, indexs then runs a vuln test followed by a simple bruteforce... [12:48] hi acidchild [12:48] acidchild: I had 82 strings to search for in something like 800k blocks [12:48] hello nixchix0R :D [12:48] raela: you do that allot, seems kinda boring :/ [12:49] nixchix0R: wana go for lunch? :D [12:49] rabies (~MerryK@ool-44c3f812.static.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] oh no rabies [12:49] acidchild: this was the first time I did that sort of search :P right now I'm messing with stuff in R [12:49] acidchild, yes [12:49] i need burritos asap [12:49] oh, yarh... i know just the spot.. had one last night [12:49] came out the otherside so very perfectly [12:49] i need it [12:49] fact after kids nap i may force him to go with me so i can get them [12:50] did 35km before 10am today, feeling kinda hungry about now [12:50] or maybe thats the pot talking [12:50] probaly both [12:50] rabies (~MerryK@ool-44c3f812.static.optonline.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:51] you got a good place or you going to taco bell or something narsty ;/ [12:51] raela: nar, you where looking at taking 128bits of data from the middle of a file sometime ago, or something like that. [12:52] rabies (~micemicer@philtered-2-pt.tunnel.tserv12.mia1.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] acidchild: yeah, doing lots of data parsing. might have been for a class before though [12:53] yup [12:53] *shudders* [12:53] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [12:54] acidchild: this is for research now [12:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [12:57] rabies (micemicer@philtered-2-pt.tunnel.tserv12.mia1.ipv6.he.net) left ##slackware. [12:58] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:00] arrite. got it \o/ [13:00] thanks to both acidchild & rworkman for 2 aspects of the same solution [13:01] :) [13:01] $ cat /etc/pm/config.d/defaults [13:01] SUSPEND_MODULES="ath9k" [13:01] it's as simple as that [13:01] um, interesting... i dig. [13:01] :D [13:02] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:07] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:10] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:11] biker (~biker@201.170.59.44.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Nick change: danix_ -> danix [13:14] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-70-28-46.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:14] dustybin (dustybin@wizbox.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:21] what is the most likely server setting to change for cron job timeout? [13:22] def. a server administrating noob here [13:23] ? [13:23] Aldaron: mancha: on LyX: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#bash4 [13:24] phrag: it's almost guaranteed whatever you saw was not sbopkg's fault, but this, too. But, if not, please report any bugs to us so we can fix them. [13:25] iirc this is the whole subshell kills parent too, thing? [13:25] beerkid3: define 'cron job timeout' [13:26] yeah - if you're running old SlackBuilds with new bash's, since bash changed its subshell error handling, this happens. New SlackBuilds don't use subshells or make sure they handle them so it doesn't cause this problem. [13:27] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:27] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:27] sounds reasonable. i thought he was using a 13.1 script though, but i didn't pay attention to versioning... [13:30] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-190-170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-190-170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [13:30] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:32] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:32] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [13:32] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [13:34] mancha: yeah, he mentioned it being 13.0 - this problem should go away as the 13.1 repo matures :) [13:34] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-147-154-60.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Nick change: juan--d-_-b -> juangvp [13:37] dustybin (~dustybin@wizbox.org) joined ##slackware. [13:37] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:37] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [13:37] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [13:37] Nick change: juangvp -> juan--d-_-b [13:38] nader (~nader@85.133.204.97) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Moron User: It's much more professional to have inline CSS all over the place thats been generated by a wysiwyg html editor :: yours looks unprofessional because it looks hand-written [13:39] kill. me. now. [13:41] lol [13:41] I guess it depends on your defintion of professional. Mine tends to readability/understandable... [13:42] Thuzzik (~quassel@host109-121-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:42] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [13:42] Guys [13:42] sexist [13:43] Action: Zordrak is channelling Ricky Gervais [13:43] I uploaded a screenshot of grub2 of slackware. [13:43] http://imagebin.ca/view/eAdi_avc [13:43] zomg, can I copy it so I can run grub2 too ? [13:43] how do I upload it - in my floppy drive ? [13:43] Using a background image with an ubuntu logo was a mistake. [13:44] What the? [13:44] ah, you were actually trolling better than me [13:44] os-prober recognizes slackware as debian. [13:44] if tha'ts grub2 on slackware, why is there a Ubuntu logo on the bottom [13:44] alisonken1home, It's just a background. I didn't want to spend time on making a slackware background. I reused what I had. [13:45] it shows 4 Debian entries. where's the slack ? [13:45] os-prober also recognizes slackware as Debian!!!! [13:45] why not use an available slackware backgrount? they're around the webz [13:45] os-prober did it [13:45] so that screenshot is no different than say....the ubuntu one! [13:45] ...so why did you use that [13:45] Without os-prober, there is no way to make grub2 recognize other OSes [13:46] But look at the kernel version [13:46] which means the screenshotis useless in demonstrating that you got anything on slackware [13:46] It's 2.6.33.4 [13:46] It's slackware64 13.1's kernel version [13:46] os-prober is not yet ready. [13:46] how would something detect slackware as debian? [13:46] Thuzzik_ (~quassel@host177-126-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:47] os-prober is a debian package, the developer must not have reckoned that it would be used in other distors. [13:47] zomg rc. scripts! [13:47] distros [13:47] Thuzzik (~quassel@host109-121-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:47] why probe if it only works on one os? [13:47] I'll modify the code. [13:47] It's just a set of scripts [13:47] the debian-specific /etc/ file isn't there on slackware, so it can't think it is debian [13:47] i doubt that's a slackware machine :P [13:48] *evil grin* [13:48] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Two bugs to fix, os-prober name recognition and small font size [13:49] The resolution is 1024x768 [13:49] anyone here follow the php development cycle? [13:49] The font looked somewhat small. [13:49] and verboseness needs turning off [13:49] I'll provide an impromptu fix for slackware. [13:50] Thuzzik (~quassel@host194-127-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Thuzzik_ (~quassel@host177-126-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:53] crocket: look at Salix grub2 slackbuild [13:54] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:54] and os-prober slackbuild [13:54] crocket, did you check out my grub slackbuild, btw? [13:54] thrice` : grub legacy? [13:55] no, grub2 [13:56] Thuzzik_ (~quassel@host25-124-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:56] also, saying 'grub2 doesn't work without your shitty debian script' is lame :p [13:56] Thuzzik (~quassel@host194-127-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:57] it works fine without, but requires the user to actually set it up. this seems more appropriate for slackware, than hacking together a debian-only project to 'fit' in with slackware [13:57] my 2 cents, anyway :) [13:58] Salix has slackbuids you can use [13:58] thrice` : how do you make grub2 recognize such other OSes as windows? [13:58] os-prober recognized my vista. [14:00] slysir, http://download.salixos.org/x86_64/13.0/source/a/grub2/SLKBUILD is NOT usable on slackware, take your trolling elsewhere [14:00] not trolling just fyi.....chill man [14:01] crocket, well, I edited grub.cfg by hand; but theoretically, you add it to your /etc/ stuff that grub pulls from [14:01] salix doesn't have os-prober slackbuild as far as I know. [14:01] slysir, they also don't have os-prober. this is a slackware channel, and he's trying to write a slackware SlackBuild. blindly claiming that another distro has a build script (no shit?) doesn't really help [14:02] I'm sure fedora has a .spec file too :> [14:02] just use that [14:02] just trying to make his build easier...right [14:03] I'll make os-prober recognize slackware by checking the presence of /var/log/packages [14:03] I just want to reduce management cost. [14:03] MadVector (~root@0893820144.static.corbina.ru) left irc: [14:04] crocket, how about /etc/slackware-verstion [14:04] thrice`: not blindly claiing...http://download.salixos.org/x86_64/13.0/source/ap/os-prober/ [14:04] slackware-version rather [14:04] That's good. [14:04] That is in ap [14:05] check for /boot/slack.bmp [14:05] juice (~juice@67.48.16.165) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:05] ap? 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[14:09] /etc/slackware-version is the same on both 32- and 64-bit slackware [14:10] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] ok [14:12] jomo (mich@p3EE2116E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left ##slackware. [14:14] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:15] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:15] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:15] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:16] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:18] oscillator (~oscillato@93.Red-213-98-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Action: oscillator good afternoon slackers !! 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[14:19] NetrixTardis (~leoem@pizza.stealth3.com) got netsplit. [14:19] why are you moving back and forth like that ? [14:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] who and back and forth how? [14:19] Who also has written grub2 slackbuild? [14:20] crocket: check slackbuilds.org [14:20] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Bugz (~Bugz@75.42.83.116) joined ##slackware. [14:20] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) returned to ##slackware. [14:20] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) returned to ##slackware. [14:20] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) returned to ##slackware. [14:20] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFA53.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [14:20] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:20] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) returned to ##slackware. 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Im sorry, is for my english, I suppose [14:22] don't know - I'm not an sbo admin [14:23] and grub isn't on sbo because it's a stock package [14:23] slackpkg doesn't find grub [14:24] or grub2 [14:24] ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/extra/grub/ [14:25] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [14:25] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) got lost in the net-split. [14:25] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) got lost in the net-split. [14:25] dive: I'm on 13.0 [14:25] let me see something [14:25] ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/grub/ [14:26] so why doesn't slackkpg see that? [14:26] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:26] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] it finds wicd [14:27] alisonken1home: running 64-bit? [14:27] alienBOB, yes [14:27] There you have it [14:27] that's why then [14:27] ok- now I remember, grub has issues on 64-bit [14:27] does grub2 fix that? [14:27] yes [14:28] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:28] alisonken1home, I've shown my grub2. [14:28] Although you wouldn't believe [14:28] I saw your picture - with ubuntu [14:28] And [14:28] debian as label [14:28] but I don't use grub - and the 64-bit issue was one of the [14:29] them [14:32] Aidar-Nagato (admin@95.105.45.213) left ##slackware. [14:32] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [14:33] crocket: i just built grub-1.98-x86_64-1.tgz with src2pkg..try it for pointers [14:33] alisonken1home, can you install LILO nested? [14:33] slysir : pointers? [14:33] yes use it to improve your pkg [14:33] why use src2pkg when there's already a stock slackbuild script? [14:33] yes - there's instructions on it in the man page [14:34] Srbo_ (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 261 seconds [14:34] I only know the concept of pointer in C. [14:34] any recommendations on software based load balancers ? [14:35] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:35] and anyway if grub has issues on 64 bit whether or not you can build a package is irrelevant [14:35] It's grub2 [14:35] grub2 works fine on 64bit [14:35] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFA53.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] grub legacy is not very good [14:35] I'm looking at slysir [14:35] Grub does not have issues on 64-bit. It just can't be built on a 64-bit system [14:35] grub-1.98-x86_64-1.tgz [14:35] poop [14:36] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFA53.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:36] i have been using grub2 on slackware 64 bit [14:36] slysir : Did you package your own os-prober? [14:36] I am not talking about grub2 [14:36] just wondering, but what are the advantages of using grub? [14:36] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFA53.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] alienBOB: we were talking about grub2 [14:36] shonudo : grub2 enables long name entries. [14:37] shonudo : grub2 uses unicode font [14:37] dive: where? I don't see it on slack64 in 13 or 13.1 [14:37] slysir, your package name doesn't say grub2 [14:37] alisonken1home, ? [14:37] It also utilizes high resolution screens. [14:37] Nick change: Roin -> afk|Roin [14:37] with native .png, .jpg support [14:37] your grub package [14:37] dive ^^ [14:37] alisonken1home, there are none [14:38] Using unicode font means grub2 can print many languages. [14:38] ah - play on versions [14:38] :) [14:38] You can also change the font by grub-mkfont. [14:38] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:38] anyway - sleep time [14:38] dive: 1.98 is grub2 [14:38] night alisonken1home [14:38] crocket: so mostly aesthetic, it seems [14:38] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [14:39] slysir, hmm ok [14:39] slysir : can you pastebin your 90linux-distro in os-prober? [14:39] no advantages with raid arrays, recovery modes, etc, just the display features? [14:39] shonudo : aesthetic is what I crave the most. [14:39] shonudo : I haven't tried those features, go to #grub and ask. [14:39] It has recovery modes. [14:39] no no, it was just a follow-up to my original question [14:40] i'm fine with lilo [14:40] That's good [14:41] crocket: dont have that line [14:41] what line? [14:41] ok [14:42] slysir : Can you pastebin /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/90linux-distro? [14:43] It is the problem. [14:43] os-prober is a pain [14:44] It sounds weird without "in the ass" appended. [14:44] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:45] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [14:46] edthix (~ed@124.13.34.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:47] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-70-28-46.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:49] crocket: os-prober generates too much garbage..so i only use grub2 and 40_custom [14:49] what garbage? [14:50] wrong distro plus all the extar boot recovery entries [14:50] You can disable recovery entries. [14:50] that hasn't worked for me [14:51] Did you uncomment the relevant line in /etc/default/grub to disable it? [14:51] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:51] yes..try it ..newver worked for me [14:51] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:51] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [14:52] how do i use ssl with mailx? do i need to generate something first? [14:52] its easier with a simple menu and editing 40_custom entries [14:52] it says " err 20: unable to get local issuer certificate" and i don't know if it uses secure connection or not to retrieve data [14:53] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:54] read the mailx documentation [14:54] >:( [14:54] :D [14:54] sigh [14:54] I'd prefer (al)pine over mailx for reading mail [14:54] computers are stupid [14:54] they don't understand [14:55] Computers do exactly what you instruct them to... and nothing more [14:55] imagine in 20 years it would be like "i want SSL... now!" and magic happens [14:56] there is too much information in these manuals [14:56] how do i read them, extract valuable information and forget about everything i don't need? [14:56] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:56] practice [14:57] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [14:57] is there a .txt file in slackware what tells you what version of slackware your using etc [14:57] look in /etc/slackware-version [14:57] ace :D [14:57] /bin/sh: /etc/slackware-version: Permission denied [14:58] whops [14:58] btw, whenever you're dealing with pki's be it tls or otherwise, you can be sure you'll need some tools on your side, after all, there are two parties... [15:00] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[15:12] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:12] sweet, just got 720p over component to my tv. gonna try 1080p now. winders failed 1080p already. [15:12] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@ip68-109-196-96.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:12] Windows will do 1080p just fine [15:13] NeanT (~me@79.115.162.219) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Eureka!!!!!! [15:14] I found a way to the solution [15:14] over component and on my tv? lots of issues on google. seems many manufacturers want you to run hdmi for the drm. [15:14] crocket: may the solution be with you [15:14] what's a "STLS command"? [15:15] seems like an abbrev for start-tls [15:15] can i haz read moar docs? [15:15] lsb_release is not installed by default in slackware, and /etc/default/grub from ubuntu specified that if there is no lsb_release, then GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR is set to Debian. [15:15] $GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR becomes the name of the OS in grub menu entries. [15:15] toby_ (~barry@212.183.140.24) joined ##slackware. [15:15] I repackage it [15:16] Nick change: toby_ -> Guest84452 [15:16] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [15:16] slysir: You need HDMI or DVI for 1080p..regardless of OS [15:16] With component, the best you can do is 1080i [15:17] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [15:18] does lilo speak ext4? [15:18] With a patch, I think [15:18] ah ok. [15:18] anyone tell me if i chroot into another slack install (same hdd) i can start a app in X but not as user ? [15:19] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:19] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:20] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:21] What program finds the name of the linux and the version of it? [15:21] I need one working on slackware. [15:21] uname [15:21] crocket: cat /etc/slackware-version [15:22] both slackware ....one is 13.1 and chroot is 13 [15:22] anybody know where mysql my.cnf is located? [15:22] thumbs : Although I package for slackware, I want to make the package somewhat distro-independent. [15:22] crocket: haha i just wondered that [15:22] dustybin, what's your solution? [15:23] /etc/slackware-version [15:23] lsb_release is the only sane solution [15:23] I need to find the code. [15:24] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Quit: changing server [15:24] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:25] my god how confusing [15:25] my-huge.cnf my-large.cnf my-medium.cnf my-small.cnf [15:25] mysql!@# [15:25] maybe i should pick my-small ? [15:25] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] my-gosh.cnf [15:26] networking is not setup on mysql [15:26] i need to configure something to turn mysql networking on [15:27] dustybin: comment the skip-networking line [15:28] slysir: on my-small.cnf ? [15:29] dustybin: cp any cnf to my.cnf and use that [15:29] its probably set to listen on localhost only [15:30] you need to change bind-address to whatever address you want to use [15:30] ohhhh [15:31] if mysql started it must be using one of the cnfs for default, check the rc script [15:31] straterra, do you have a link to the lilo/ext4 patch? my google-fu has failed me [15:31] mancha: No..but its possible it isn't needed these days [15:31] or install postgresql , which rox [15:31] Check the lilo slackbuild and see what it does [15:32] i didn, and it doesn't patch source at all [15:32] has lilo ever needed patching for file systems? I thought that was the point [15:32] Nope [15:32] Then its likely in the mainstream release [15:32] Lilo is fs agnostic [15:32] thrice`: What do you mean? [15:33] i have read that it depends wether or not 1080p is possible on component. [15:33] lilo doesn't care which FS it's mounting (or know about it, from what I understand) [15:33] Indeed [15:33] Lilo needs to know either how to read the file system..or have a hard coded location for the kernel [15:33] i just got 1080p over component [15:33] YEAYY!! [15:33] dustybin: you also need to comment skip-networking in rc.mysqld [15:33] straterra, no, it points to the kernel, which is responsible for comprehending that [15:33] straterra: lilo does not read filesystems - stores disk block locations [15:33] so who was that sayin its impossible? [15:33] AH... [15:33] thrice`: But it needs to know where the kernel is [15:34] sluckxz: me..because it is [15:34] so it is all physical disk block offsets? [15:34] What do you think "lilo" does straterra [15:34] bs you need a picture? [15:34] alienBOB: Loads a kernel..obviously [15:34] So it has to have the kernel location hard coded in it [15:35] Which it does [15:35] thrice/alienbob, thanks for the clarification so in that sense quite an advantage over the grub code [15:35] "ModeValidation" "NoDPFNativeResolutionCheck" [15:35] That's why you have to rerun lilo when updating your kernel [15:35] sluckxz: That..doesn't make it 1080p [15:36] its running 60hz at 1920x1080 what do you call that? [15:36] And you've verified this..how? [15:36] obviously not interlaced [15:36] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [15:38] hrmm, are there disdvantages to using the disk blocks versus an fs driver (as does grub) ? [15:38] Sure, you need to re-run lilo when you change anything [15:39] right, there's that i guess.. [15:40] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [15:41] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [15:42] well the very first way i verified it is that the tv itself announces it is running at 1080p which it has never done before over component. [15:43] when no scan speed is mentioned what is the default? [15:43] ie 1080p is? 50? 60? [15:44] 60 [15:45] sluckxz is this the minimum according to specs? [15:45] mine is running 50 according to kde control center [15:46] but 30 was obviously interlaced [15:46] 70} [15:46] still googleing [15:46] to admit h264 it probably uses more [15:47] are there major differences in the hdtv standards between europe and america? [15:47] mancha: there are no different HDTV standards [15:47] Gatto (~Romeo~@host229-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:47] good evening guys [15:48] is possible disable the hardware button to power off display on notebook by hal? :S [15:48] thanks^^ [15:48] unless it is set to soft-power in the BIOS, you can never entirely disable it [15:50] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:50] strankan (~strankan@c-23cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: time to work [15:50] Thuzzik_ (~quassel@host25-124-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:50] josefig (~Jose@unaffiliated/josefig) joined ##slackware. [15:51] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [15:52] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:56] adaptr, what? [15:56] Porting lsb-release to slackware from debian isn't easy. [15:57] uhm ok adaptr [15:57] weird, anyway.. [15:58] not power off button... [15:58] but the button, that activate to suspend lcd to close cover assy upper :S [15:58] good evening CtrlAltCa ^^ [15:58] glad to hear from you Gatto :) [15:59] grrrr [15:59] i start mysqld but nothing shows if i do: netstat -natpu | grep mysql* [16:00] dustybin: you also need to comment skip-networking in rc.mysqld [16:00] oscillator (~oscillato@93.Red-213-98-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [16:00] ohhh [16:01] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] slysir: you clever sod :D [16:02] years of mistakes..not clever [16:02] it should not be shipped like that with the package, IMO [16:02] skip-networking should not be default. [16:02] it is [16:04] Of course it should be the default [16:05] Is there any way to get the width and height of a window in X? [16:05] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Just like not allowing root SSH is default [16:06] Aldaron: welcome :) [16:06] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@bl17-241-168.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:07] twoshot_: xwininfo -root [16:08] k [16:08] Razec (~razec@187.34.21.24) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:08] thanks [16:09] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:09] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:11] alienBOB, is there a utility similar to xwininfo that will allow me to set the size? [16:11] Set? Why [16:11] Ah [16:11] Of _a_ window, not the root window [16:11] the snes emulator goes a certain speed and that speed is affected by the size of its window :/ [16:12] Not that I know [16:12] yea [16:12] hm. ok [16:12] josefig (~Jose@unaffiliated/josefig) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:13] twoshot_: tried lowering your screen resolution? [16:13] Razec (~razec@187.34.16.148) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Would your command to start the snes emulator accept a -geometry parameter twoshot_ ? [16:15] alienBOB, maybe. I'll go check the man page [16:15] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [16:15] adrien, every time I run it I'll have to set it to a certain size. I'd rather adjust the size to fit my needs than always have an adjusted screen resolution. [16:16] no manual entry :/ [16:16] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:16] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:17] gammalyrae (~abell@athedsl-208303.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) joined ##slackware. [16:20] hm. I checked the see also in the man page for xwininfo and xprop has a set value. I'll see whether that works [16:20] twoshot_: definitely, I was saying that as a last solution [16:20] adrien, ah ok [16:22] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-147-154-60.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:22] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:24] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:24] Nick change: xchg -> TomasHanzel [16:25] Nick change: TomasHanzel -> TomasHanzeq [16:26] I guess I could always edit the source code. [16:26] reinstall the package [16:27] twoshot_: there's no windowed mode available, [16:27] ? [16:27] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [16:27] ummm.. maybe? haha [16:27] what do you mean by that [16:28] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [16:28] not full-screen [16:28] niko (niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left ##slackware. [16:28] on snes9x? [16:29] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [16:29] I'm not running it in full screen rightnow [16:29] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:29] right now* [16:29] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:29] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D049.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:29] have you considered zsnes instead? [16:29] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:29] and you're force to one resolution? or is it a resolution that is native to TVs? [16:29] away a bit [16:30] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:30] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-39-165.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:30] nah not forced to use one resolution. I can change it if I want. [16:31] ut, I didn't want to install a new package but I guess if editing the source code is what I'd end up doing, I might as well give zsnes a try. [16:31] I got work in an hour and want to finish some programming first though, so I think I'll mess with this again later. [16:32] Nick change: TomasHanzeq -> xchg [16:33] only asked because i've always had better luck with zsnes than snes9x [16:33] well it's a good suggestion. that's probably what I'll do. [16:33] thanks [16:34] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] for what it's worth :) [16:34] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [16:34] nickals (~nickals@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:35] Razec (~razec@187.34.16.148) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:36] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] nvision (~nvision@e179136127.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:37] so who screwed up lilo on slack 13.1 x64?? [16:37] Nick change: afk|Roin -> Roin [16:37] nickals: blame it on grub2 [16:37] WireWulf (smokybear@unaffiliated/wirewulf) left ##slackware. [16:37] jk [16:37] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:37] hehe, but seriously [16:38] what happened there? [16:38] nickals: i use grub2 sry [16:38] josefig (~Jose@unaffiliated/josefig) joined ##slackware. [16:38] slysir, i was doing a clean install [16:38] how would i go about using grub [16:38] from a clean install [16:38] when i cant get into the system [16:39] at all [16:39] nickals: yea you have to make your own grub2 pkg for slackware [16:39] and lilo wont run off boot disk [16:39] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:39] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [16:39] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [16:40] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [16:42] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:44] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Srbo_ (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [16:45] nader (~nader@85.133.204.97) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:47] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:52] dfrank (~dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [16:52] hello All! Help me please. I need to find some files and change in it "qwe" to "123". i trying: find . -name "test" -exec sed -e 's/qwe/123/g' {} > {} \; but there's appears new file "{}"! Whats wrong? [16:53] i'd think the '> {}' would be what's doing it. [16:54] ut: ok, how can i save file with same name? [16:55] sed -i will over-write it [16:55] i mean, in-line edit * [16:56] thrice`: yes, thanks, it works. [16:56] find . -name "test" -exec sed -i 's#qwe#123g' '{}' \; or so [16:56] make backups first of course :) [16:57] but, why my variant doesn't work? for example, -exec echo {} {} \; works fine [16:57] why can't i use '> {}' ? [16:57] not sure, sorry :( [16:57] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrap_chrap [16:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:58] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] this is my first ever problem with a slackbuild [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-225.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] this is what happens when i try and build lirc slackbuild [17:02] http://paste.debian.net/76040/plain/76040 [17:03] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:04] dfrank (~dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:07] dustybin: did you do a full install and do you have the kernel sources at /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.4 ? [17:08] dustybin: what kernel are you using [17:08] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.170.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:08] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [17:08] /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.4 exists [17:08] uname -r [17:08] i installed everything apart from games and kde [17:09] 2.6.33.4 [17:09] Linux frontend 2.6.33.4-smp #1 SMP Wed May 12 21:39:37 CDT 2010 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [17:10] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@195.250.171.64) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:10] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.170.127) joined ##slackware. [17:10] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] [Carmine] (mosca@unaffiliated/carmine/x-6875209) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [17:10] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] dustybin: own kernel or stock [17:10] ? [17:10] stock slackware kernel [17:10] slackware 13.1 [17:11] kyxzme (~kyxzme@93-42-11-56.ip84.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:11] i use the latest version of lirc 0.8.7pre1 [17:11] 32-bit [17:11] hi [17:11] dustybin: http://www.lirc.org/software/snapshots/ [17:11] im trying to install slackware on a new pc [17:11] slysir: shall i change the slackbuild to use that version? [17:11] how to get slackware installed on a dmraid hdd? [17:12] "dmraid -ay" command not found [17:12] easier to just d/l and build it for now [17:13] slysir: i will build into /usr/local so things dont get messy [17:13] make sure it buils and works for you [17:13] aye oK! [17:14] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:15] hey!! [17:16] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:20] _S4MUR4I_ (~quassel@187.40.56.104) joined ##slackware. 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[17:29] *eerie silence* [17:29] man [17:29] i cant get wl to load right [17:29] i used the slackbuild but still no go [17:30] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Client Quit [17:30] Gatto (~Romeo~@host229-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Gatto [17:31] Hello slackers :) [17:31] I have a question regarding bind on slackware 13.0 [17:31] I use it as local nameserver for my lan [17:32] but dig returns me "WARNING: recursion requested but not available" [17:32] what could it be?? [17:34] is recursion disabled? [17:35] danix: why use bind on a local lan unless you are experimenting , you should use something like dnsmasq [17:35] xsamurai: just experimenting ;) [17:36] admboomR: in named.conf I've set allow-recursion for localhost and localnets [17:36] admboomR: is there something else I should set up to have recursion enabled? [17:37] Slacking_Man (~Slacking_@pm1dialin-20.danbbs.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:37] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [17:37] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:37] hey guys [17:37] i wonder, how would slack13 perform on a quad core system? [17:37] NeanT (~me@79.115.162.219) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:37] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:38] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:38] darn where's AlienBOB when you need em hehe [17:38] danix: do you have "recursion yes" ? [17:38] in your config file [17:39] xsamurai: nope, going to add it, it should go in the "options", right?? [17:39] correct [17:40] xsamurai: I get the same warning and it doesn't resolve the address... [17:40] paste your options section on pastebin.com [17:41] doesnt resolve the address as well , make sure your zone is setup right in the config and pointing to the right place , check your soa for the domain [17:41] I would set named to super duper debug mode and check the logs [17:42] best way to debug any bind related issues [17:42] http://danixland.pastebin.com/r0MMCc8D [17:43] looks fine im assuming you defined an acl for localnets ? [17:45] acl?? sorry for my lame questions... [17:46] danix: search google for bind acl , not a lame question [17:46] i suggest you look up how to "debug bind" as well [17:49] xsamurai: ok, now I see what you mean with acl :D I'll try to define one for my lan and see what happens... [17:51] _S4MUR4I_ (~quassel@187.40.56.104) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:52] _S4MUR4I_._meta.leet() [17:52] xsamurai: it works!! Great :D thanks man... [17:52] np, have fun [17:53] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. 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[17:58] jewbacca, i have 3 systems in slack13 working fine with that very driver(laptops) [17:58] how'd slack13 run on a quad core system? months? [17:59] nickals: try ndiswrapper [17:59] nickals: again, that's just broadcom, function is iffy [18:00] ping alienBOB [18:00] driver compiles but the nic doesnt show up, sounds like missing support from the kernel [18:00] jewbacca, i dont care for broadcom either, i have a atheros card in my desktop, but slack 13.1 has been full of errors so far, to me its looking like it got rushed [18:00] xsamurai, good point [18:00] ty [18:00] xsamurai, wait tho [18:00] the module wouldnt load if it wasnt supported? [18:00] nickals: it may have been, see if 13.2 fixes the issue [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] Slacking_Man (Slacking_@pm1dialin-20.danbbs.dk) left ##slackware. [18:02] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] nickals: true [18:03] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Excess Flood [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] nickals: i suggest you try your own custom kernel, i never use the generic kernels provided so I wouldnt know , or use 13.2 [18:04] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [18:04] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] but bcom support sux , try ndiswrapper, i used that when i had my dell [18:04] Kyle__ (~localadmi@64.32.187.108) joined ##slackware. [18:05] anyone put slack12.2 on a vm? [18:06] NeanT (~me@79.115.162.219) joined ##slackware. [18:06] hell, i'm sure version doesnt matter [18:06] what type of vm (xen, kvm, virtualbox) [18:06] i need some help configuring nthe wm tools [18:06] vmware [18:06] dont bother with it [18:06] ? [18:07] bother with the entire thing or bother with the tools? [18:07] the tools [18:07] don't i need them to get online? [18:07] e01 (OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [18:07] vmware tools needs to be installed with rpm or converted via rpm2tgz or alien [18:07] no [18:08] well, taht's not gonna happen [18:08] vmware tools are for the mouse and keyboard [18:08] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [18:08] i can't transfer files to and from the vm [18:08] errr, for video acceleration [18:08] yes you can [18:08] i just want to compile 32bit apps [18:09] you can enable shared folders for the vm [18:09] thats why i need vmtools [18:09] it is disabled until it detects tho tool daemon [18:09] s/tho/tthe/ [18:09] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] weird... [18:09] yeah tell me about it [18:10] i can't even get this one on the internet [18:10] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:10] my windows vm gets online no problem [18:10] Kyle__ (localadmi@64.32.187.108) left ##slackware. [18:10] dial-up seems to be a major issue [18:10] i just want to compile 32bit apps. chroot wasn't working for me because of that gtk+ error or some bullshdit [18:11] i've been working on this for 2 weeks and my patients has about led me to just say fuck the 64bit shit and go bacrk to windows [18:11] Cann0n: Does it detect a network device? Are you using NAT or bridged networking? [18:11] adamk: not today. it did yusterday [18:11] use bridged networking [18:11] i'll do what ever works. i've tried them all [18:12] If the networking device is appearing and disappearing, there's a serious problem going on. [18:12] Cann0n: why not use kvm [18:12] do i need to run anything on the host machine? [18:12] Something that certainly won't be fixed by installing the tools. [18:12] well, i just want to transfer files [18:13] Do you have DHCP setup on the network the host is on? [18:13] thats it. i dont give a fuck about using the vm for anything other than compiling ONE SINGLE 32bit app [18:13] well that's it. I don't really care :-) [18:13] beats me. i'm on dial-up. i'm not smart with linux networking [18:13] haha [18:13] Cann0n, so, what's the setup look like now? [18:13] you don't need a vm for 32-bit compilation [18:14] unless he doesnt want a multilib system [18:14] mancha: chroot in a 32bit env wasn't successful [18:15] Necos: slack12.2 on a vm. my native distro is slack13 64bit [18:15] i wouldnt multilib whore my box for one app [18:15] xsamurai: it wasn't for one app [18:15] i'm using a bunch of 32bit apps through multilib. the problem is anything with gtx+ requirements shits itself when compiling [18:16] Cann0n: Switch to NAT, boot up in the VM, and run 'ifconfig -a' to see if there's an eth* device. [18:16] jspider1010 (~spider101@155.sub-174-218-160.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:17] adamk: switch what to NAT? [18:17] the wm networking adapter? [18:17] or my host? [18:17] The VM networking. [18:18] In the VM settings, you can choose NAT or bridged. Select NAT. [18:18] k. i'm gonna follow your instructions to the T [18:18] restart the VM? [18:18] change it and restart? [18:18] If you're on dial-up, and don't have a local network with a DHCP server, bridged networking won't do any good for the VM. [18:18] Yes. [18:19] it's restarting [18:20] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon127302.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [18:21] ok. ifconfig -a shows eth0 and lo [18:21] guys anybody with daisy on 13.1?the plasmoid dont run the application.i can see just the icons,nothing else. http://pastebin.ca/1876904 [18:21] applications* [18:21] danix (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:21] Cann0n: Does eth0 have an IP address? [18:22] it works. i pinged google [18:22] Voia. [18:22] i wonder why it didn't work before [18:22] Voila, even. [18:22] i tried every networking options with a reboot between [18:22] Uh huh. [18:23] adamk: could you point me in a clean direction for setting up an ftp in the wm? [18:23] i need to transfer a package [18:23] An FTP server? Honestly, I would just use scp, frankly. [18:24] I've never setup an FTP server in Slackware. I haven't actually setup an FTP server on any machine in quite a while. [18:24] I assume Slackware comes with one, though, that can probably be enabled in /etc/inetd.conf [18:25] k. with the scp, do i need to set up a config for it on th wm? [18:25] Just so you know, you'll only be able to access it from the host (unless you setup some sort of firewall rules on the host). [18:25] i ssh'ed into the vm and see my files [18:25] You just need to make sure sshd is running. [18:25] There you go, then. [18:25] You can just 'scp vm:/path/to/file .' on the host to copy a file off the machine. [18:25] Of course, use the IP address in place of 'vm' :-) [18:26] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:26] ssh +wget worked too [18:26] adamk: your a fucking mage or something [18:26] i swear i set it to nat and restarted and didn't get nothing [18:26] Nah, I just have plenty of experience with vmware and virtualbox :-) [18:27] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:28] well adamk i thank you greatly [18:28] You're quite welcome. [18:29] WireWulf (smokybear@unaffiliated/wirewulf) joined ##slackware. [18:31] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:31] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@nat-165-91-14-218.tamulink.tamu.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:32] something strange is happening: While copy/pasting using scroll wheel between kwrite and calc, my mouse keeps pasting the word "inter" [18:33] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:33] every few pasting events, there will be one inter. I am baffled [18:34] do i need to convertpkg-compat32 if i compiled a SBo on 32bit, set the arch to x86_6? [18:34] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:34] 64* [18:35] cryptic0, clear your clipboard and see if it still happens after that [18:35] that's just for the official packages. make sure to read alien's page carefully ;) [18:35] i'm reading it [18:35] shonudo: not sure how to clear clipboard [18:35] didn't say much [18:35] cryptic0, are you on KDE? [18:35] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFA53.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ :p [18:36] fluxbox [18:36] Cann0n: What's what question again? You set ARCH to x86_64 when you compiled a slackbuild on your 32-bit system? [18:37] adamk: yeah [18:37] you set the arch to x86_64, drop the libdirsuffix value if it's "64", and run the helper script to set up the environment to coerce the package to use 32-bit libraries and whatall [18:38] what helper script? 32dev.sh? [18:38] the compat thing is to convert existing official 32bit packages to play nice with the multilib system [18:38] yeah, that one [18:41] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@93-41-237-136.ip83.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:41] that script is useless [18:41] it's for compiling in 32bit [18:41] hey anyone using pcmanfm? [18:41] Action: ut thought he just said that [18:42] i love pcmanfm [18:42] anyone know how to clear clipboard? [18:42] guess I didn't [18:42] x-ip_ (~lain@201.252.200.225) joined ##slackware. [18:42] tuxdev: it doesn't work [18:42] Nick change: x-ip_ -> x-ip [18:42] i was describing the way you compile 32-bit packages on a multilib system. [18:42] x-ip (~lain@201.252.200.225) left irc: Changing host [18:42] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Cann0n: I just compiled it on 13.1 and I just ran the ./configure over by hand and there is nothing missing or errors but when I run the latest version no icons show up for the folders [18:43] I must be missing something, but why are you setting ARCH to x86_64 if you are trying to compile a 32-bit binary? [18:43] Cann0n, uh, what? [18:43] I have tons of errors like this: [18:43] ** (pcmanfm:23479): DEBUG: unable to load icon user-home [18:43] ** (pcmanfm:23479): DEBUG: unable to load icon user-trash [18:43] adamk: because multilib is tricksy :) [18:43] hey, how do you set it so you can ssh into a slackware box outside of your lan? [18:44] tuxdev: tab failure. sorry pal. [18:44] Zozma, slackware doesn't block ports by default so if you can't it's a config on sshd or else your wan router [18:44] adamk: yeah, it's gotta be done like that for multilib [18:44] hmmmmm [18:44] Xgates: i didn't have that error [18:44] very strange [18:44] thanks [18:44] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [18:45] np [18:46] shonudo: the answer was xclip [18:47] Cann0n: what version you using? [18:47] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:48] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:58] 0.5.2 [18:58] i have 3 versions in my SBo folder [18:59] 0.5.2, 0.5.0 and 0.4.8 [18:59] ahhh ok [19:00] I'll compile 0.5.2 and see what it does [19:00] thanks [19:00] yeah, thats the one i have installed [19:01] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6ADF3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] dang. i made a 100 on my last test [19:01] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:04] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [19:04] goj (~goj@p5488FAEA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:04] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [19:04] seems 0.9.7 is out, why still using 0.5.2? [19:05] realy? [19:05] dang. must have been longer than 3 months [19:05] i don't trust new versions of stuff anyways. we all know what happened to amarok when it went to ver 3 [19:05] s/3/2/ [19:07] clementine was born [19:07] what? [19:08] clementine is a fork on the old amarok [19:08] of [19:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] oh.. i refuse te touch any software that came from the makers of Amarok [19:08] fine [19:09] dude, i was devistated when i tried the "New and Improoved: Amarok2" [19:09] i about cried myself to sleep [19:09] is amarok some kind of kde voodoo? [19:10] yeah, but it WAS the best IMO [19:10] Cann0n, clementine is based on amarok 1.4 [19:10] i might take a look at it [19:10] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/audio/clementine/ [19:10] one of mine [19:10] i really miss having ipod functions, last.fm and the ability ta handle, organize, and edit any number of my 30+ GB of music [19:11] nice work dive [19:11] thanks [19:12] if you can put up with a clementine segment in systray that is ;-) [19:12] just because you suggested it, i'll gladly install it [19:12] man more and more ppl migrating from sourceforge to google code, anypone have experience with both and know why? [19:12] exaile doesn't do it for me... [19:12] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [19:13] jspider1010 (~spider101@155.sub-174-218-160.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [19:13] mancha, well sf.net kept changing their interface a while back - I think that got a few people annoyed [19:13] mancha: i hate SF's "wait 3 seconds. if it doesn't strat click her" bullshit [19:13] was confusing when it changed every time I visited [19:13] yeah, i noticed that too [19:14] an yeah, constant changes suck, i agree. [19:14] one thing i don't like is the green dl button behavior [19:14] NeanT (~me@79.115.162.219) left irc: Quit: bye [19:14] for example, *.xz files don't register so the green button takes the last .gz/.bz2 file [19:15] same [19:15] mancha, yes I agree [19:15] didn't know that. i just hate green buttons [19:15] nvision (~nvision@e179136127.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:16] ah clementine seems to use the qt4 api...so gtk or qt3 people, sol? [19:16] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:16] most of the time you want to browse files anyway - not just hit on what sf.net thinks you should grab [19:16] mancha, I don't know it will compile on qt3 [19:16] you don't know if? [19:16] er yeah [19:17] [19:17] SF's old tree interface was much better for browsing [19:17] I haven't tried it with qt3 so if you manage to get it to work, let me know [19:17] NyteOwl, agree [19:18] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.95) joined ##slackware. [19:18] s/work/word sigh [19:19] typing in the dark by thinklight - fun [19:19] thinklight? [19:19] yep [19:19] thinkpads have a white led on the lid [19:19] wat is dit? [19:20] ah [19:20] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:20] shines on the keyboard [19:20] I couldn't live without it [19:20] does anyone else thing that php's development cycle with regards to vulnerabilities is kinda fucked? [19:20] dive, yeah i wouldn't mind having one... as long as you can turn it off? [19:20] hiptobecubic, yes [19:21] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [19:21] mancha: yes [19:22] hiptobecubic, you can buy usb lamps on a flexy tube thing by the way [19:22] a bit bright though [19:22] dive, yes, but they are a pain in the ass [19:22] true [19:23] Action: byteframe frowns at prboom not compiling on new slack [19:25] gyroscope (~gyroscope@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [19:26] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@ip68-109-196-96.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] dive: i need ruby for clemetine? [19:27] hmm I didn't think so [19:28] checking [19:28] rabies (~micemicer@philtered-2-pt.tunnel.tserv12.mia1.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] ./liblastfm.SlackBuild: ./configure: /usr/bin/ruby: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [19:28] cant get it compiled without liblastfm [19:28] so I just accidently formated my partition with all my media on it, is there anyway to recover that data? its like 500 gigs of shit I might have lost [19:29] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [19:29] rabies: why did you do a thing like that? [19:29] gyroscope (~gyroscope@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:29] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@ip68-109-196-96.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:30] cann0n: cause I wasnt paying attention to what I was doing [19:30] dang dive, you got me DLing 31MB on dial-up lol [19:31] Cann0n, right yeah lastfm needs it [19:31] liblastfm* [19:31] rabies: it happens. i'm not familiar with recovery software. i'm sure it's possible with something like systemrecover.iso [19:32] rabies: but for the most part, don't hold your breath. watch what you do, back your stuff up, etc [19:33] rabies, it should be possible if you haven't written to the partition since formatting [19:33] rabies, but I'm out of touch with which apps you can use for that [19:33] dive havent written anything to the drive yet [19:34] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@nat-165-91-14-218.tamulink.tamu.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:34] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [19:34] i am going to get an external backup, assuming I get my shit back, otherwise im gonna shutdown for the summer and think about this in the winter [19:34] lol [19:35] You can look at foremost or testdisk to recover data rabies [19:35] wooo i finally got the stock 13.1 to boot up [19:35] but now if i modprobe b43 it freezes right up and i dont want to use ndiswrapper if i dont have to.. :S [19:36] pnq (asdf@ACA360C2.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:36] yeah systemrecover.iso or something like that... it fits on a minidisk and comes packed with tools for harddisks [19:36] includes memtest86 [19:36] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:36] rabies: if you are going to experiment with data recovery tools, I would recommend to get a second disk and make a "dd" backup copy of the whole disk first, so that you can always start over in case your recovery fails totally [19:36] it's a linux dsitro called System Restore/Recover (forgot which one) [19:38] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:38] Guest7526 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [19:38] i has partition recovery options that suppose to unflip the 1's and 0's [19:40] s/i /iti/ [19:40] can't even correct spelling mistakes without spelling mistakes.... 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[19:51] rabies: also look at Parted Magic, a live CD or USB stick with all these tools included: http://partedmagic.com/ [19:51] cteg_ (~heretic@host-091-097-165-196.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [19:51] And it has a Slackware core, too [19:52] mgt (1000@95.87.255.218) joined ##slackware. [19:53] alienBOB: I used slackware 13.1 and formated to ext4, I think im pretty skrewed [20:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] groo_ (~groo@189-18-111-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:01] groo_ (~groo@189-18-111-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [20:02] dive (~diverse@cpc2-craw1-0-0-cust1275.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Changing host [20:02] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [20:04] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] totem (brasero@unaffiliated/totem) left ##slackware. 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[20:49] no. [20:49] mgt (1000@95.87.255.218) joined ##slackware. [20:49] it doesn't [20:49] you can get an optical usb sound card [20:50] how comes that this laptop dont has spdif output.. [20:50] SRM FTW [20:50] dissociative: Most don't.. [20:50] dissociative: the HDMI spec provides for audio but I would guess it depends on the manufacturer's implementation of the port/protocol [20:51] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:53] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:57] hey, how hard is it to upgrade from x32 to x64? [20:57] cause lilo's broke and i cant get my system to boot when i install x64 [20:57] nickals: you have to do a clean isntall [20:57] install* [20:57] lilo in x64 is broke [20:57] i doubt that [20:57] it happened on two different systems [20:58] downloaded the iso, md5sum passed [20:58] you probably just didnt setup lilo correctly [20:58] well [20:58] maybe [20:58] but [20:58] slack 13.1 x32 worked fine [20:58] and ive been setting up lilo for 11 years [20:58] im pretty familiar [20:58] slackware64's lilo is not broken [20:58] the binary doesnt work [20:58] in the usbbootimg [20:59] err [20:59] no [20:59] stop pushing enter so much [20:59] when setup is done i go to run lilo and it gives me an error saying "syntax error on line 1" [20:59] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:59] which command are you issuing? [20:59] i cant use --help either, same error [21:00] /mnt/sbin/lilo [21:00] from inside setup command prompt [21:00] of course, that won't work unless you are in a chroot environment, with /proc mounted inside, and /dev bind-mounted [21:01] thrice`, but why does it work fine on slack 13.1 x32 setup but fails doing exactly the same thing in slack 13.1 x64 setup? [21:01] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [21:01] running lilo on 32-bit how you have described will fail too [21:01] you need to be within the root environment, or pass a flag to lilo about where it is [21:02] thrice`, lemme explain [21:02] lilo in slack x64 [21:02] is a bad binary [21:02] wont run, at all, to do anything [21:02] nice explanation.. [21:02] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-158-221.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Then why does it work for, seeminly, everyone else? [21:02] idk [21:02] stop pushing the fucking enter button [21:02] lemme explain, you're wrong [21:02] heh [21:02] :) [21:04] i_is_cat, actually [21:04] thats not what i meant [21:05] nickals, if you expect lilo to install properly, you have to enter the environment with things lilo wants. try "mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc; mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev; chroot /mnt /bin/bash; lilo" [21:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.203) joined ##slackware. [21:05] could the problem be that when i used the usb boot image its loading a 32 bit kernel then trying to run the 64 bit command after its installed? [21:05] if that complains, check that the lilo.conf is actually there [21:05] yes, that won't work either [21:06] well, i used the usbbootimg from the slack64 iso [21:06] mm, I'm pretty sure won't work * [21:06] I used the usb boot image, pretty sure just the general one (is there a 64 bit specific?) then installed 64 bit via packages [21:06] the setup scripts used the installed lilo command at /mnt/sbin/lilo to install lilo, that almost surely ahs to be it [21:06] I'll see if I still have the image [21:07] beerkid (~beersage@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] yes, I think the installer passes -r to /mnt or so with lilo [21:09] nevermind, don't have it [21:09] thrice`, yes, well, the lilo is from the installed packages which are 64 bit, the kernel is 32 bit, and hence where the issue is(i believe) [21:09] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:09] i couldn't find a lilo in the bootdisks root anywhere, only in the install dir in /mnt [21:10] this is all usbboot [21:12] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [21:13] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-68-238-13-35.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:14] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-106-167-218.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:18] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A7F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:19] lilo does not care if the kernel is 64bit or 32bit. [21:19] beerkid (~beersage@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:19] running a 32-bit kernel to run a 64-bit binary won't work [21:20] beerkid3 (~beersage@pool-173-48-181-164.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Zoubiddaaa (~Zoubiddaa@2001:7a8:34d5::1:102) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:23] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:23] hey and, whats up with this, the usbboot.img from slack64 13.1 is 24mb and normal slack is 32, so i mounted them and this is what i saw: http://downloads.gamingtilt.com/slackin/huh.jpeg [21:23] ahh [21:23] no smp [21:23] so [21:24] but [21:24] yea [21:24] see [21:24] that shouldnt matter [21:24] ? [21:24] STOP FUCKING HITTING THE ENTER KEY! [21:24] sorry, bad habit, ill try not to [21:24] straterra, stop using the fucking caps lock! [21:24] =P [21:25] Stop fucking using fucking in your fucking sentences. [21:25] :-) [21:25] =D [21:25] I didn't. I used the shift key. [21:25] that remember-me a bash.org quote [21:26] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [21:26] http://bash.org/?835030 [21:26] is there a way to check wether a kernel is compiled for 32 or 64 without loading it? some kinda tool or something? [21:26] guax, lmao [21:27] haha [21:27] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:28] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-106-167-218.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:29] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt5-port-4.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] oh man that's awesome [21:36] antiwire: indeed [21:36] josefig (~Jose@unaffiliated/josefig) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:37] nickals: /exec -o uname -a in the irc chat [21:37] Cann0n, thats for the one im running [21:37] i know what that is [21:37] you mean like from a cd or something? [21:37] im talking about a compiled kernel on a disk [21:37] yea [21:38] yoyoned1 (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] hmm file maybe [21:38] file /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.33.4-smp (~) [21:38] yoyoned1 (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:38] /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.33.4-smp: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 2.6.33.4-smp (root@midas) #2 SM, RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x816, swap_dev 0x5, Normal VGA [21:39] oh, eh, did you try opening the System.map and reading the switches? [21:39] or file [21:39] dive: you know, i've NEVER used file... [21:39] looks like i'll be using it now [21:40] don't know if it's available on the install disk though... [21:40] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:41] beerkid (~beersage@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Quit: Why can't I just eat my waffle? 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[22:39] long time no see [22:40] stick around, we'll have a good long chat [22:40] in in /etc/groups I'm in these, - haldaemon:x:82:sar, plugdev:x:83:sar, power:x:84:sar, do I need to be in any other groups for usb mass storage? [22:40] hey spook long time :) [22:41] Xgates: looks good, have you logged out and in after adding yourself to the groups? [22:42] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:43] .. [22:43] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:44] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) joined ##slackware. [22:44] haven't seen any ops around here recently [22:45] you sure? [22:45] Then again, I haven't been looking around when alienBOB is usually around [22:45] isn't phrag one? [22:46] yeah [22:46] I've seen him around lots [22:46] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [22:47] ergh. just now started running the kernel from 13.1, 3 weeks after upgrading userspace. Anyone happen to know how to get the #@%@^$ lights on my ath5k card to quit blinking? [22:47] It's in the guidelines somewhere [22:47] (they didn't, in my old 2.6.31 kernel. And the card works fine with both kernels, I just hate blinking lights) [22:47] Urchlay: look for stuff in /sys/class/net/wlan0 [22:48] I have ath0, not wlan0, but am looking... [22:48] Urchlay: not sure about madwifi [22:48] (if that is what you are using) [22:48] not madwifi [22:48] hrm, I have ath5k and it goes to wlan0.. no odd lights here [22:49] ath5k driver, crappy netgear card [22:49] raela: what driver is it using? [22:49] ath5k. :P [22:49] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:49] it's using ath5k [22:49] atheros card [22:49] hm, wonder why mine's showing up as ath0 [22:50] do you have madwifi installed? [22:50] no [22:50] Action: NaCl sense udev rules [22:50] what version is the kernel? [22:50] *senes [22:50] *senses [22:50] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [22:50] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [22:51] Urchlay: check the persistent-net.rules file in /etc/udev [22:51] I used to use madwifi, apparently when switching over from madwifi to ath5k, I decided it'd be a good idea to set IFNAME[1]="ath0" in rc.inet1.conf [22:51] /rules.d [22:51] so, eh, it's showing up as ath0 because I told it to, then forgot I did that [22:51] I used ndiswrapper before ath5k, heh. found the old windows drivers on my usb stick backup [22:51] still doesn't explain the blinkage [22:52] The light on the back of my wireless card blink like crazy too. [22:52] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.70) joined ##slackware. [22:52] theball (~not@dsl-66-78-69-226.ipns.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] my usb wireless strobes quite a bit. it's a little piece of crap though [22:53] I think that's just an activity light on it [22:53] Urchlay: there's a way to disable them in the iwl3945 driver [22:53] Action: NaCl grab his lappy [22:53] Action: NaCl can't spell today [22:53] these aren't on the back. It's a PCMCIA card that sticks out the side of the machine, and is in my peripheral vision the whole time I'm looking at the screen :( [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:55] piece of black electrical tape might be a good lo-tech solution, if I but had any electrical tape [22:55] gum [22:55] eww [22:55] duct tape [22:56] I'm in a hotel room 1200 miles from my stash of electrical tape, in a town where I have no car & no idea how far I'd have to walk... [22:56] (which is maybe an odd time to upgrade kernels, but I got bored...) [22:57] myself i aam trying to get wine working [22:57] spook: yes I logged in and out, just wasn't sure if that's all the groups I needed to be in or the correct ones [22:57] Urchlay: anything in /sys/class/leds ? [22:58] Urchlay: cover it in paper? [22:58] Urchlay: maybe a sock? [22:58] NaCl: nope [22:58] I also ran this: [22:58] ran this cmd: cp /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop ~/.config/autostart [22:58] beerkid3 (~beersage@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:59] here's a kernel patch someone apparently copy/pasted into a forum: http://forum.soft32.com/linux/PATCH-ath5k-leds-Ability-disable-leds-support-leds-support-e-ftopict515089.html [22:59] Xgates: keep asking questions, especially to fire|bird and raela. they are begging to help you [22:59] hehe [23:00] Urchlay: this looks suspicious. [23:00] the LEDs are supposed to be controllable somewhere... [23:00] ok while we're mulling this one over I have another one, I only run OpenBox how can I get apps to use GTK2? [23:00] Xgates: oh, fire|bird is our resident expert on that [23:01] spook: what are you twelve? [23:01] chopp, going on 5 [23:01] NaCl: I'm not sure they were controllable in 2.6.31 either (they just defaulted to the power LED being on, and the other one always off, I never tried to change that) [23:01] chopp: its because of what was said in ##ot [23:02] however, the power LED comes on if I plug the card in while at the LILO prompt. So it's possible that the older driver just plain didn't support the LEDs at all, and the new one does (but not in a useful/configurable way) [23:02] fire|bird: would you know how to get gtk apps only running openbox to use gtk2? [23:02] so you whine here? [23:02] Urchlay: modprobe led-class ? [23:03] it's already loaded, and in use by ath5k [23:03] Xgates, no, I'm not familiar with that, sorry, spook is fucking around because he's an idiot. [23:03] strange [23:03] (which was NOT the case in the old kernel!) [23:03] Urchlay: don't know what else to do. :/ [23:03] fire|bird: ok... [23:03] I do [23:04] sock over it? [23:04] Urchlay: eh? [23:04] either build the old ath5k driver against this kernel, or else apply this patch (which originally came from lkml) [23:04] chopp: i declared war on fire|bird a while back, its complicated [23:05] now, a datum: back when I ran slack 12.1 on here, and had to use madwifi to get the card to work well, *it* blinked the LEDs and didn't give me a way to disable them either [23:05] spook: ohhh, I love that facebook relationship status [23:05] what status? [23:05] "it's complicated" [23:06] ;) [23:06] lovers quarrel! [23:06] does anyone have experiance installing wine and if so could i get a little help please [23:06] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:06] theball: slackbuilds.org [23:06] well I guess this does the trick: http://www.muhri.net/nav.php3?node=gts [23:07] I suppose if I were to blacklist led-class, then this ath5k driver would refuse to load... [23:07] I think in older versions of Slack it came with gtk-theme-switch [23:07] spook, that only has qt4wine [23:08] josefig (~Jose@unaffiliated/josefig) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:08] i have wine installed via the slack package at winehq but when i run the config it spins the pointer for about 20 secs then just exits [23:08] theball: ... [23:08] beerkid (~beersage@pool-173-48-181-164.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] theball: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=wine&sv= [23:11] i was searching in 13.1 i see why i didnt get reults, sorry for bothering you [23:11] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] beerkid3 (~beersage@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:13] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] Urchlay, the lights have been blinking for awhile [23:14] #include [23:15] i have an HP DV 6000 and previously, the indicator light (which in windows indicates only if the radio is on or off) was always red. After they 'fixed' it, it blinks as if it were an activity light [23:15] I kind of like it. It goes between red (off) and blue (on)... so it's kind of purple during high activity. [23:15] brb [23:15] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:15] Xgates (~Xgates@udp116220uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [23:15] hiptobecubic: yeah, it happens [23:16] hiptobecubic: linux broadcom drivers do the same thing [23:16] it's pretty common actually. hell my ath5 drivers seem to do it too [23:16] I like knowing whether or not my wifi is getting a decent signal [23:17] Anyway, bed for me. Night all. [23:17] yeah, i actually prefer the light to be solid because if there is no wifi signal, sometimes i'll hit the button because the wifi appears to be off when it's not [23:17] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [23:17] night [23:18] in doing the compile i get this error could someone guide me as to the problem/ configure: error: in `/tmp/SBo/wine-1.1.24': [23:18] configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [23:18] any idea's please [23:18] theball: 64bit slackware? [23:18] yes [23:18] wine is 32bits. [23:19] well no [23:19] wine can be compiled for 64bit [23:19] you need at least the multilib set installed to compile wine. [23:19] and it'll work, sort of. just not how you'd expect. [23:20] spook, does it effect its functionality? [23:20] cd .. [23:20] sorry mt [23:21] try it and see. [23:22] also, http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64 [23:26] thanks for the tip, i am very green to slackware, for the last few years i have been debian distro friendly, got challenged to get this running [23:28] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:30] NaCl: hm, I seem to have just diked all the LED code out of the driver & got it to compile out-of-tree [23:30] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:30] cool [23:31] going to have to disappear from irc for a sec while I try to reload the module [23:31] if I'm gone for more than a minute or so, you'll know I screwed up :) [23:33] hmm, that was neat [23:33] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. 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[23:58] wont to mount my 330 raptor drive [23:59] only have sda1 & sda2 [23:59] boot & swap [23:59] cat /proc/partitions usually is helpful [23:59] on my boot drive [23:59] hmmm [00:00] --- Fri Jun 4 2010