[00:04] Is there a group that allows a user to increase the nice of their processes, or is it a root only function? [00:04] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:04] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:04] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:06] Umm no any user can.. Within limits.. pam can control those limits if you use that.. Otherwise though dunno how to control it [00:09] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [00:11] Motoko-chan: got a few people posting to the forums :P [00:11] Noticed. [00:12] Now we need more. [00:12] Action: mbhayes nods [00:12] Action: Motoko-chan pokes a chanop to make the forum recommended [00:12] haha [00:13] no, antler...not doing etho [00:13] shit eth0 [00:14] etho! [00:14] but yea, i got about 700 miles to drive tomorrow [00:14] so, i hate to bail but i won't be worth a damn if i don't [00:14] Ick, thats a lot of driving. [00:15] lol, plus i got to load furniture on my truck before i go [00:15] but it's all good [00:15] You've moving? That makes it worse. [00:15] it pays my 180.00 at& bill so i can chat with you guys [00:15] hmmmm [00:15] I hate both, doing them at once would suck that much more. [00:15] no, i'm not moving [00:15] i mmove people [00:15] or move as it were [00:16] Man-erg_ (n=meck@93.40.142.201) left irc: "leaving" [00:16] jiffypop: don't pickup that whore on 114 East this time [00:16] been doing it since '93 [00:16] i know, don't do it this time [00:16] and that whore on 114 east can't afford me [00:16] not that, clowner...lol [00:17] shit, man. keep on rockin' antler. i'll see y'all tomorrow night [00:17] i think [00:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:18] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] jiffypop (i=jiffypop@d118-75-143-208.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "and you could hear the fingers pickin" [00:19] jgor (i=jgor@66.112.231.147) joined ##slackware. [00:20] What's up,folks? [00:21] just trying to figure out how i can get icecast to stream in such a way that clients won't crap out on track changes [00:21] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-30-84.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] icecast through mplayer,dionysian? [00:22] mpd -> icecast [00:22] oh [00:24] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:24] even vlc on the windows machine craps out on a track change [00:24] stays connected, but it's dead air [00:28] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [00:29] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:34] dionysian: the icecast stream source,is it m3u? [00:35] MLanden: no [00:35] the stream source is mpd [00:37] meant to say,the file it's playing..is it a m3u file? [00:37] no [00:37] i'm controlling mpd with ncmpc [00:46] dunno....could check the logs for mpd or icecast under /var/log [00:46] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:48] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] eeeGuitarman (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:54] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:36] hey guys... this is going to be a stupid question... but... [01:36] where do i get packages to build? [01:36] and how do i know what dependancies i need? [01:40] slackbuilds.org has lots of good build scripts [01:40] If it doesn't build, it'll usually tell you what failed. [01:40] Basically, use your brain instead of having your hand held. [01:40] any advice for a user coming from buntu? [01:40] other than that last line lol [01:40] Don't expect it to be ranbows and puppies. [01:41] Slackware is hardcore *nix. [01:41] However, that makes it much less fragile. [01:41] Things don't usually break for random reasons. [01:41] slackware isn't really hardcore [01:41] yea... well i'm running it in VM so i can scrap it at will [01:41] dionysian, compared to *buntu? [01:42] eh not really [01:42] well it took me 3 installs before i could even get it running properly [01:42] Read the book. [01:43] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:43] Serious. Lots of good stuff there. [01:43] kept installing lilo to the wrong place [01:43] yea.. from the link above? [01:43] Yeah, it should be in the topic [01:44] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-131-16.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:45] i was looking at it a bit.. [01:45] be (n=chattr@062016130030.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [01:45] always a lot of reading in nix [01:46] Well, it's probably because it's new. [01:46] Action: Motoko-chan remembers all the reading when Windows was new [01:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] yea... well the man pages rarely make sense to me.. so i go for the 'easy reading' texts [01:47] The book is pretty good. [01:47] they make sense after i know how to use the command.. [01:47] The manpages are better for reference [01:47] the more you read 'em the better it gets [01:48] well thanks for the advice guys [01:48] i'll lurk for a bit.. [01:48] get some reading done [01:48] you just have to train your mind what details to pick out [01:49] have you tried: man man ? [01:49] lmao.. actually no hahaha [01:49] its the manual on reading manuals [01:49] that's pretty ironic haha [01:49] give it a go [01:50] i know sounds hilarious... but it will help [01:51] Out_Cold: what are you trying to do exactly? [01:51] learn.. [01:51] i set up a VM of slackware [01:51] oh... [01:51] cool [01:51] now i'm trying to figure out what to do with it [01:51] lol [01:51] your new to linux? [01:51] or just new to slackware? [01:51] i've used nix for 7 months now maybe.. [01:51] or both? [01:52] buntu user until the new VM [01:52] ahhh. [01:52] ubuntu? or kubuntu? [01:52] start off with hand holding, moving on to big boy pull ups [01:52] both [01:52] xubuntu? [01:52] xubuntu for the server [01:53] kubuntu for an old box, and ubuntu for the flash [01:53] oh.. not kubuntu, flux [01:53] slackware is normally for advanced users [01:53] i'm not fond of KDE [01:53] lol...slackware uses kde 3.5 [01:54] course it also uses xfce [01:54] and fluxbox [01:54] yea well i've been playing in the CLI and can run as root with out worrying [01:54] yea i noticed the 3.5 [01:54] i don't mind that one as much as KDE4 [01:54] :o RUN AS ROOT??!?!?! [01:54] oh no no no [01:54] never run as root!!!! [01:54] why not? [01:55] MAMMIA MIA [01:55] most of the commands i use i need root [01:55] no no... you run as a regular user... then su or sudo to root when the time arises [01:55] keps the system secure [01:55] keeps* [01:56] Running as root is dangerous security-wise [01:56] well yes... but when i use the CLI i can run as root to do my business and i feel confident [01:56] Out_Cold is a good name for you... [01:56] lol [01:56] cuz thats what your pc will be keep running as root [01:56] i don't always stay as root [01:56] chazbro: slackware is not necessarily for advanced users only. you just need a certain love to clis. slack is my first linux:) [01:56] You have been warned [01:57] yea fair enough [01:57] mine too lowkyalur [01:57] what's the biggest threat then running aas root? [01:57] *as [01:57] it was hard at first... [01:57] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:57] i kept trying others.. only to come back to slackware [01:58] Out_Cold: put your root password and IP to pastebin? (DONT DO IT, THAT WAS A QUESTION) [01:58] hmm...my old laptop drive had glass platters [01:58] Action: edman007 starts picking up glass [01:58] i wouldn't be that out to lunch lowkyalur [01:58] well basically someone can get a hold of pc.. and own it [01:58] lol [01:59] Out_Cold: you never know. [01:59] yea, well i know the harm of getting hacked as root [01:59] Witepa (n=jbschne@southquad-145201.reshall.umich.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:59] but that's the harm as running as root all the time? [01:59] Seriously... logout as root [01:59] I'm trying to write a command to replace an IP address in a file. I got sed to recognize what to replace, but I don't know how to tell it what to replace it with. The new IP address is defined in another stream/text file, how would I get sed to replace the old IP with the new IP using the substitute command? [01:59] i'm not logged in as root lol [01:59] and only su to root when you need to be root [02:00] hunter2 [02:00] chazbro, that's only when i go into CLI lol which is when i su to root, do my buz, then 'exit' [02:00] agentc0re1, but now i feel safe throwing the drive away :D [02:00] Witepa: y/oldip/newip/ or something like that? [02:00] if you want to run an xwindow (gui app) as root... run kdesu [02:01] if they can recover data from my encrypted home dir on a shattered platter they can have it! [02:01] does sudo work then as well? [02:01] ok whew [02:01] edman007: Hah... Ummm. dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/your_device ?? [02:01] lowkyalur: if newip was a text file, how would I do that? [02:01] edman007, thermite [02:01] Keep a block on top of your drive area. [02:01] Out_Cold chazbro, that's only when i go into CLI lol which is when i su to root, do my buz, then 'exit' << whew glad you know this [02:01] Motoko-chan, not much left... [02:01] Ignite it when they bust in. [02:02] no dont run sudo for gui apps [02:02] when i found out it was glass it hit it a few more times...now its in really tiny pieces [02:02] run kdesu [02:02] It can easily melt through a car engine, so a hdd is easy. [02:02] chazbro, i may do some stupid stuff, but i do read and listen lol [02:02] kdesu is = to gksu? [02:02] Motoko-chan, i have seen vids of people doing that... [02:02] watch where you step,edman007 [02:02] Witepa: cat oldfile | sed `y/oldip/newip/` > otherfilename [02:02] edman007, yeah. Glass platters can be made with fewer imperfections. [02:02] Higher yield. [02:02] yep [02:03] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:03] I had some old drives I had to bust up. A few had the old metal platters. [02:03] Witepa: just make sure you have a different newfilename, as else you might destroy the first file. [02:03] Motoko-chan, yea, i got the big chunks...but a few of those super tiny ones are all over the place, too small to give you cuts, but can go in your skin and make pain... [02:03] Didn't have anything handy to hurt them, so just slammed a crowbar against them to dent them all up. [02:03] Nothing important enough on them to try for more. [02:04] Motoko-chan, yea, usually i throw the drives outside and give em a few whacks with an axe... [02:04] but i got no axe right here [02:04] Didn't have an axe at the old office. [02:04] Did have a crowbar. [02:04] edman007, i was once told about using carbon-oxide (rust) as a thermite substance [02:04] And a brick wall. [02:04] lowkayalur: I want to destroy the first file. How do I make the newip a variable from elsewhere though? [02:05] Out_Cold, carbon-oxide is CO/CO2... [02:05] well what ever rust is lol [02:05] thermite is rust (iron oxide) and Al [02:05] iron oxide. [02:05] iron oxide.. [02:05] i knew i should have stayed in school [02:05] Witepa: oh. i would write a script. you can filter the elsewherefile also by sed, and assign it to a variable. [02:06] seems like a case for Mythbusters..LOL [02:06] Witepa: its just if sed fails due to a typo, the above command will render the original file empty if its also the output file, and you will not have a second trial. [02:07] MLanden, the funny thing is just how dangerous thermite can be and its not really controlled at all... [02:07] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89DF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:07] yup,edman007 [02:07] edman007, given how simple it is to make... [02:07] if you bought a truckload of the stuff i don't think it would raise any flags, but you could take out a large bridge by lighting said truck on the bridge [02:08] lowkyalur: yeah, this is intended to be a script. How do I call the variable in the substitution of sed? For example, sed 's/[0-9]*\.[0-9]*\.[0-9]*\.[0-9]//'. I want newip to be a variable [02:08] Witepa: you can just put it there, it should be automatically substituted [02:09] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:09] Action: Motoko-chan would rather buy a truckload of high-quality olive oil and high-quality vinegar and make an awesome salad dressing [02:10] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Witepa: like NEWIP="192.168.0.1";cat blahfile | sed `y/192.168.0.2/$NEWIP/` > outfile ..... check for some basic tutorial on shell scripting and you will know how to assign command output to variables and which "'` exactly allow variable substitution. [02:11] Action: edman007 gives Motoko-chan a truckload of vinegar and baking soda [02:11] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "off to the real world" [02:12] makes me think of an old commercial...one truck has olive oil dressing while the other has produce and then they crashes...but who want motor oil and metal in their salad..:D [02:12] ... [02:13] Linux kotomi 2.6.27.14-desktop-1mnb #1 SMP Wed Feb 18 03:40:45 EST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2310 @ 1.46GHz GNU/Linux [02:13] err..what [02:13] (Shhh, don't tell anyone it isn't Slackware) [02:13] MLanden, the trucks were running with veggie oil as fuel and olive oil in the engine [02:13] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.28 | Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5410 @ 2.33GHz MHz (8 cores) | Mem: 3467/8166M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 1025G Free: 267G | Screen Res: 1680x1050 | Procs: 283 | Up: 02:12:22 up 4:58, 13 users, load average: 0.15, 0.29, 0.27 [02:13] muhahaa [02:13] edman007, that still leaves twisted metal [02:13] LOL,edman007 [02:13] MLanden, forks are metal... [02:14] Action: Motoko-chan has a Phenom x4 9650 with 7gB RAM [02:14] 7gb? [02:14] 7GB? [02:14] Yeah [02:14] why 7? [02:14] 3x2 + 1x1 [02:14] use plastic and hope it passes by..:D [02:14] tntslack (n=will@adsl33-25.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Because HP is weird. [02:14] Motoko-chan, a power of two is generally better... [02:14] 7gB RAM!?!?!? '< WOW [02:14] edman007, I know [02:14] But, hey. [02:14] so fix it [02:15] It was a cheap bundle. [02:15] and i need moar ram [02:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:15] It also came with a 19in LCD. [02:15] 8gb is not enough... [02:15] And a printer/scanner. [02:15] oom killer made me reboot today :( [02:15] I can run XP or Vista in Unity mode in VMWare Workstation just fine. [02:15] Which makes me happy. [02:15] (Sorry, GIMP is not enough) [02:16] edman007, I've had oomkiller hit one of my servers. [02:16] yea...well is it suppose to lock the whole system? [02:16] Of course, it was a misconfigured PHP (250meg per process! 6 hour timeout!) [02:16] It can. [02:16] You have to wait for it to kill all the misbehaving processes. [02:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [02:16] shouldn't it just pick something, kill it, and dance in the free ram... [02:17] Nick change: mshade -> mshade_begone [02:17] but once it kills something it gets ram, right? [02:17] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:17] run winxp in a vm on a ramdisk :) [02:17] Not if something else is driving the load. [02:17] morning [02:17] Mornin' [02:18] Motoko-chan, no, i usually have low load, with a very responsive system...then when oomkiller starts EVERYTHING stops, i can't move the mouse, the audio stops, no network traffic (no ssh), etc [02:18] Weird. [02:18] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-131-16.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [02:19] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [02:19] i just don't understand why, if it needs to halt the system, can't it get the job done in under 10 minutes? 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[02:45] resolv.conf is the only file read for the DNS stuff (if the app used glibc stuff for DNS) [02:45] superGear (n=supergea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:45] superGear (n=supergea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:46] whether or not /etc/wicd/wireless-settings.conf causes something to write to resolv.conf, well i don't know [02:46] edman007: curious. there are dns settings in wireless-settings.conf. i don't think wicd is writing anything to resolv.conf [02:47] hm. i suppose i could check by commenting everything out in resolv.conf [02:47] antler, ohh, does wicd have a DHCP server? [02:48] edman007: i am not certain. going to check something [02:49] DHCP servers have a DNS setting, but it is what it tells clients, not what it uses (so your server might use the internet for DNS, but the clients might use you as DNS if you run a local DNS proxy [in such a case you wouldn't want yourself in your resolv.conf]) [02:50] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [02:50] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] antler, you wouldn't want to comment it out in resolv.conf [02:50] edman007: well there goes that. yeah, i just tried. no good. [02:51] hm, there are dns settings and a 'use static dns' in wireless-settings.conf [02:51] heh, well i don't really even know what wicd is suppose to do, lol [02:51] superGear (n=supergea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:52] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[02:53] superGear (n=supergea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:53] but if you are setting the DNS for yourself that usually just means that it writes that to the resolv.conf when you bring the net up (dhcpcd does that), if its for a dhcp server, that is what it tells devices to use for DNS [02:53] edman007: i'm trying to prevent my resolv.conf from being overwritten. when i had a wired connection, it was easy. now (with wicd), i'm not sure where to specify that nameservers should be kept. even before i used wicd, i was able to keep nameservers [02:54] yeah, understood [02:54] heh, i don't know, but if you disable dhcp that will probably do it, but its just a guess [02:54] i'm going to bed [02:54] so in any case, i gotta find a way to prevent resolv.conf from being overwritten [02:54] night [02:55] chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf [02:55] Action: edman007 -> bed [02:55] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. 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[03:05] Witepa (n=jbschne@southquad-145201.reshall.umich.edu) left irc: Client Quit [03:05] MLanden: howdy. mind if i call you michael landon? :P [03:05] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [03:06] Meh.....not him [03:06] haha [03:08] His hair's too glossy for a pioneer...LOL [03:08] faffi_ (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:08] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [03:09] http://backgroundsarchive.com/images/pub/32/32481yphhwxmc5x.jpg [03:10] hungry critter..eh,nullboy? [03:11] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [03:12] yep [03:13] makes me think of the first time I caught a skate(stingray) when I was a kid [03:14] Action: antler wonders whether sharks are dumb compared to, say, whales or dolphins. [03:14] compared to both they are lower [03:14] how much lower i guess is the real question [03:15] dolphins play [03:15] sharks don't play [03:15] ah [03:16] Don't play with a shark [03:16] some people consider dolphins to have a higher intelligence than chimps, but others consider the opposite [03:16] I say they are about the same [03:16] either way they are upper mammals [03:17] different enviroments [03:18] dolphins will catch up to us when we surf and try to beat us down the wave [03:18] sounds silly, but sharks might simply choose not to play, perhaps due to influence by their constitution [03:19] sharks are fish though. dolphins are mammals and have different brain setups. i personally think sharks are closer in line with snake intelligence [03:19] was out surfing, huge school of fish came right into shore and so did about 4-5 reasonable sized sharks, i shit many bricks [03:19] i've been out with sharks, dolphins, whales and seals [03:19] the seals have always been the worst [03:20] hahaha [03:20] they grab your leash and pull on your feet [03:20] nullboy: have you ever been laying on a surf board and had a white pointer swim underneath you? the joys of australia :P [03:20] i've been around sharks many times here [03:20] snake -- shark sounds reasonable [03:21] nullboy: whats that beach in cali that someone gets attacked atleast once a week at? [03:21] gp play with a great white [03:21] or it may be florida, cant recall [03:21] frullet: there are attacks at Huntington beach often [03:21] strangely, was just reading on the other peril of water life in Australia....box jellyfish [03:22] frullet: i just know of the beach where patrick swayze died catching the big wave that comes once every eon or so .... [03:22] i'm north of huntington beach though. i've seen sharks at hobson and solimar in ventura [03:22] antler: bells [03:22] bells beach what that beach [03:22] was* [03:22] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:22] heheh [03:22] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] my board was made in coolangatta [03:23] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/board/ [03:23] nullboy: i really dont see how surfers can keep going out to that beach, knowing there is about a 1 in 50 chance they will be bitten [03:23] frullet: i stopped surfing at the places that i have seen sharks more than twice [03:23] big sharks? [03:24] 3-5ft [03:24] im guessing bullsharks? [03:24] i've seen bluesharks off ventura [03:24] and leopard sharks sometimes [03:25] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:25] seriously though i'm more afraid of the seals [03:25] creepy, the central coast in australia where i live, has been having super warm waters lately and there has been a shark attack atleast once every two weeks for the past few months [03:26] the seals are big, like a 200 pound swimming dog [03:26] i hate seals [03:26] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:26] not only do they bite but they are shark bait [03:26] it's the worst of both [03:26] seals bite you? [03:27] yeah [03:27] they mess with you too [03:27] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [03:28] i'd rather die from a seal attack than die knowing that my body will be processed through the meat processing jaws of the shark [03:28] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196896.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:28] how about bitten by a seal then you start bleeding and then a shark comes and eats your ass [03:28] people have died from seal attacks while out surfing? whaa? [03:29] frullet: i haven't heard of any seal deaths but they do bite [03:29] heh did Not know that seals bite [03:29] they will nudge your feet and pull on your line [03:29] just messing with you but you can't even see them [03:29] couldn't one get rabies from a seal [03:29] so seals play [03:29] dude seals suck. when i see seals out with me it's the same feeling as a shark [03:29] The likelyhood of either is slim. [03:30] ccfreak2k: you sound like the guy who says, "if a bear is chasing you, play dead" [03:30] it's not really slim where i live. 90% of the time i go out i see some form of large animal [03:30] Action: phrag_ hides his seal [03:30] Nick change: phrag_ -> phrag [03:32] I see cars every day. Doesn't mean my likelyhood of getting hit by a car is heightened by a significant amount. [03:33] actual shark attacks are a different deal. there are places where people seem to get bitten by sharks more often. oceano, pismo, HB [03:34] nullboy: then why do they continue to swim in these places? Are there any danger signs? [03:34] unposted, state beaches [03:35] the only places i avoid because of sharks are the river mouths and the power plant outlets [03:35] why power plant outlets? [03:35] aside from the fact that sharks hang there. why do they hang there? [03:35] the warm warm from the generators brings shark food and sharks follow [03:35] antler: warmer waters attract the sharks [03:36] warm water* [03:36] oh [03:37] man ocean life is interesting. i should have become a marine biologist. [03:38] i'll put up a google earth kmz [03:39] show you where i've seen the sharkies [03:39] duryodhan (n=devdatta@nat/yahoo/x-7022fbcd8f9782a1) joined ##slackware. [03:43] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/sharks/ [03:43] those two spots [03:45] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [03:46] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:46] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:47] no google earth here :( [03:49] bo [03:49] sbo [03:49] am i supposed to be able to see under water with google earth there? [03:50] i dunno [03:50] those are just two places where i've seen sharks more than once [03:50] o [03:53] would think the warmer waters 'round a power plant would be swarming with jellyfish [03:53] we have jellies here but nothing like AUS [03:54] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:54] she_dyed (n=jazze17@adsl-10-91-39.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] eeeGuitarman (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:55] Out_Cold (n=out_cold@d75-154-114-249.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:55] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [03:56] chesapeake bay here in Virginia usually has jellies swarming around the warmer waters..but yeah,not like AUS either [03:57] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:57] since sea turtle population is decreasing dont expect to see jellyfish numbers drop [03:58] one feeds on the other,right? [03:59] yeap.. sea turtle is immune to jellyfish poison [04:00] cool [04:00] num num jellyfish [04:01] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:01] that is so cool. and turtles.... they're so cute and cuddly. *sniff* [04:01] they Deserve to be immune [04:01] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:02] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [04:05] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:05] dusty__ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-422171.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:06] if only they were immune to human stupidity :/ [04:06] true [04:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-422171.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:07] man there was this book by Crichton where the turtles were flashing bright colors [04:07] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.30) joined ##slackware. [04:07] they were like part of a research project [04:08] hey slackboy, how are you today? [04:08] what book? [04:08] 'Next' [04:08] made for good in-flight reading if you like the sci fi [04:08] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [04:08] hi [04:08] that's as close as tomorrow [04:08] checking :D [04:09] couldn't put it down bec it's like today's headline news [04:10] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:12] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-143-231-251.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [04:27] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:27] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-179-64.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:27] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-155-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:28] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. 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[04:36] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:36] how do i restart alsa without rebooting? audacious had somehow locked up my audio device. i have killed it and get this: "cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp -bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [04:37] alsactl restore does not help [04:38] she_dyed: critics report that 'Next' suck .. but again all critics drop environmental theme books.. ill definitely check it :) thanks [04:39] am surprised it's shortsightedly described as 'environmental' when it's totally NOT [04:39] only a little bit, and you're welcome [04:40] indeed, most critics are like "I'm showing you the moon but you're looking at my finger" [04:41] and now fscking firefox bogs my cpu to 100%. wtf [04:41] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [04:41] slava_dp it's not a flash site is it like youtube [04:42] she_dyed, yeah, some pages with flash [04:44] i'd blame flash first [04:49] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:49] doesn't matter. i just reloaded FF. it can't be kept running for long anyway. [04:49] I think I'm getting an rm -fr tattoo, fucking idiot... [04:50] lol [04:50] -fr is a bad syntax. use -rf :-) [04:50] man, busy day [04:50] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Action: slackytude coffee++ [04:51] no hints as far as reloading alsa? [04:51] reloading alsa? [04:51] Just about finished with a year long project, changed it's directory name, and my stupid gedit 'cleaner' script, I made a year ago trashes everything. I was INTENDING to back up, after some changes. Anyways, hail Satan. [04:51] byteframe, great fun [04:52] i'd do a kill -9 (pid-of-alsa) slackytude [04:52] alsa has a PID? [04:52] Good morning slackwares.. [04:52] byteframe, reboot to a systemrescuecd and do file recovery [04:52] Mornin',dusty__ [04:52] I ran 'strings /dev/sda3 > bigassfile, and then ran split on it, and grepped out my code. [04:52] she_dyed, :-) alsa is an in-kernel sound system [04:53] Still, I have to put all this back together, and some of the code is older, not found etc. I got about 75% of it. [04:54] slackytude, how do i restart alsa without rebooting? audacious had somehow locked up my audio device. i have killed it and get this: "cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp -bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [04:54] lol shows you what i know [04:54] slava_dp, i might have to try that to get a file or two, that I could get using strings. [04:54] couldn't get* [04:56] hah, now it works. /dev/dsp got released somehow. [04:56] maybe it has some timeout [05:00] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-143-231-251.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Connection timed out [05:01] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-143-231-251.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:02] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:03] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [05:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [05:05] mfandrade1 (n=marcelo@189.82.57.20) joined ##slackware. [05:08] slava_dp, its better to kill the offending programm [05:08] slackytude, i did actually. [05:10] slava_dp, what livecd could you recommend for ext3 recovery? [05:11] byteframe, hhttp://www.sysresccd.org/ for everything [05:11] thanks [05:14] duryodhan (n=devdatta@nat/yahoo/x-7022fbcd8f9782a1) left irc: "leaving" [05:15] byteframe, you can use testdisk or photorec from there. np :) [05:15] photorec looked like the program I needed. my hardrive is fine, I just erased the files [05:16] i think there's an undelete tool for ext3 [05:16] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [05:17] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC" [05:25] mfandrade (n=marcelo@189.82.57.20) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:25] byteframe, photorec seems to be the best one for the job. there's also http://foremost.sourceforge.net/ but i have never used it. 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[05:52] almost time for lunch break [05:52] Ether_Man (n=user@h68n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:53] barely dawn here,slackytude..GMT-5 [05:55] eh [05:56] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [05:56] you are living in the past, man [05:56] LOL [05:59] slackytude, i'm hungry too. will go out for lunch shortly. GMT+2 :) [05:59] eh, no, GMT+3 (winter time) [06:00] heh, great [06:00] Action: slackytude is getting a kebab [06:01] alrite [06:01] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [06:02] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-235c7b6fc2dfb634) joined ##slackware. [06:06] Have a good lunch,folks [06:07] take care,folks..good luck in all life's endeavors [06:08] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-155-49.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [06:10] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[06:23] morning all [06:23] dive, morning :) [06:23] y0 Camarade_Tux [06:23] y0 dimmerbold [06:23] err [06:23] y0 dive [06:24] :-) [06:24] first I woke up a bit late so I was late and couldn't attend some course which I'll have to do later on, it's 4 hours long [06:25] and I went to bed at 1am in order to make something *only* for this course [06:25] heh, sux [06:25] and then I have some oral presentation to give for my german course [06:25] eww [06:25] it's about Heino Ferch (I had never heard of him before) [06:26] neither have I [06:26] and hi slackytude :p [06:26] ^-^ [06:26] slackytude, lol [06:28] however, I wanted to see the Baader Meinhof Komplex. Its suppoed to be good [06:29] and that Heino dude appears in the flick, apparently [06:29] Heino is one of the most idiotic names ever [06:30] I check and he appears in it but doesn't have any of the primary roles afaict [06:30] the woman on this pic is said to be Sandra Borgmann : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Der_Baader_Meinhof_Komplex.jpg [06:30] I know a Sandra Borgmann :D [06:31] heh, *the* Sandra Borgmann [06:31] ? [06:31] he, ooo works correctly without the JRE :) [06:31] Action: slackytude smokes break [06:32] the one I know usually raises guinea pigs :p [06:32] Action: Camarade_Tux bursts in tears ='( [06:33] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196896.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:33] Nick change: aperturefever` -> aperturefever [06:33] some functions in ooo require the jre. but hardly anyone uses them. [06:34] that makes me a bit less sad =/ [06:34] and I'm hungry ! ='( [06:36] he, the function that closes ooo maybe depends on the jre ;p [06:37] sberla54__ (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [06:37] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [06:38] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [06:38] lol [06:42] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [06:45] v4nelle (n=van@adsl37-48.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Camarade_Tux, raises guinea pigs? for real? or is that some weired street language for something else? [06:47] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [06:47] slackytude, well, right, you raise children, maybe "breed" would be better [06:47] eh [06:47] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [06:47] doesnt sound like a fun job [06:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[07:42] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:44] cubas (n=cubicka@193.1.184.254) joined ##slackware. [07:46] hi, is lipcap installed together with tcpdump ? cause when I #locate lipcap, only results is /usr/lib/libpcap.a [07:46] is that it? [07:48] ls /var/log/packages | grep libcap --> libcap-2.14-i486-1 [07:48] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:49] odelot (n=toledo@unaffiliated/toledo) joined ##slackware. [07:49] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:49] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [07:49] nightf0x09 (n=nightf0x@vs13.vds03.best-hosting.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [07:50] cubas, ^^. and you can also do "less /var/log/packages/[pkgname]" to read up on what it is and what files it contains. [07:51] Ether_Man (n=user@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[07:58] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:00] libcap-2.14-i486-1 is there, just 'locate' didn't see it [08:00] thanks [08:00] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-155-49.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] XpliCT (n=rumenovs@77.29.177.14) left irc: "shutdown -h now" [08:01] Mornin'(or afteroon or evening),folks [08:01] slava_dp, I saw the same few minutes ago...I need to get used to slackware's package system...thank you [08:03] cubas, no problem. it's just that libcap and libpcap are two different libs. that confused us both i think. [08:04] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [08:06] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) got netsplit. [08:06] HexTasy_ (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [08:06] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-136-207-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) got netsplit. [08:06] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) got netsplit. 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[08:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:09] slava_dp, good god, I was sure that I'm the one who wrote it well and you the one who read it bad :) now I see [08:09] see you, enjoy your day [08:09] cubas (n=cubicka@193.1.184.254) left irc: "Leaving" [08:11] MLanden: Caffeine overdose? ;) [08:11] nah [08:12] nevah 'nough,aperaturefever [08:14] hehe.. damn it google [08:14] we keep getting division by zero errors on our googlemini's [08:14] :P [08:16] toor (i=1001@aokneufi.dyndns.org) joined ##slackware. [08:22] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:23] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:25] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062184205.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:26] <_RadioHead> yo tewmten :) [08:26] hey _RadioHead [08:26] long time no see =) [08:26] <_RadioHead> how things man:)? [08:26] Im good [08:27] upgrading one of our googlemini systems [08:27] <_RadioHead> yah i decide to enter again often now i have free time [08:27] <_RadioHead> going well? [08:28] <_RadioHead> googleing for googlemini:) [08:28] no idea [08:28] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:28] I just started [08:28] the indexing crapped out on us the other weeks [08:29] <_RadioHead> The Google Mini gets a Not-so-mini Upgrade LOl [08:30] hehe [08:31] <_RadioHead> tewmten: i found here that haha http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2008/05/google-mini-gets-not-so-mini-upgrade.html [08:33] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:34] <_RadioHead> no emails this is good :) [08:34] :P [08:35] <_RadioHead> tewmten: official mails mean problems lol [08:37] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Zygocactus (n=zygocact@189.77.50.183) joined ##slackware. [08:38] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:38] root@pimenteira:/etc# ldconfig [08:38] Segmentation fault [08:38] hoho [08:38] what can to be this? [08:38] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:41] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:41] <_RadioHead> Zygocactus: u did upgrade? [08:41] Zygocactus, reinstall, you're screwed :) [08:41] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:42] no, I install libmcrypt. [08:43] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:43] slava_dp, its not windows system. [08:44] anyways, have to go. good luck, Zygocactus. i know it's not windoze. [08:45] <_RadioHead> Zygocactus: hmm do no strange, but maybe u can try to reinstall glibc ? [08:46] hum... [08:47] <_RadioHead> Zygocactus: but be carefull :) [08:47] did go after that I install libmcrypt. [08:48] <_RadioHead> or remove libmcrypt? and see what happened [08:48] wait, please. [08:48] <_RadioHead> ko [08:50] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@201.238.171.196) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:56] When I go to mount initrd.img I get -- mount : no such file or directory .. ? > Command > mount -o loop initrd.img (already gunzipped) /mnt/whatever ? [08:56] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:487) joined ##slackware. [08:56] Thurin1, then does the file exist? [08:56] the image, destination mount point and the mount command [08:58] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:58] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:58] tank-man: Yes, the mount point exists, dev/loop/1 exists and the file initrd.img exists in the dir I am running the command from [08:58] And the mount command exists.. because I am mounting the slackware DVD ;D [08:59] and the command mount is in your path statement [08:59] ok, then i guess the computer hates you [08:59] Yes, it does. [08:59] <_RadioHead> Thurin1: call a friend to type u just talk to him what todo :) [09:01] I wonder if my kernel from source has anything to do with it.. although it should not be the case seeing that I copied (zcat /proc/config.gz) the config from the 'slackware' kernel... the only change I made was the addition of squashfs and processor to match mine exactly... [09:02] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:02] airon (n=leo@212.141.121.52) joined ##slackware. [09:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:03] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-155-49.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [09:04] moha_ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-101-221.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:05] i don't trust your reading skills, may i please see in a pastebin summary the "ls -l" output of those files and the command you typed to mount [09:07] /home/blah/sbuild/initrd.img is not a block device (maybe try -o loop instead?) --- add -o loop ---- > (middle finger) -- mount no such file or directory. --- No, but it knows that it's not a block device eh [09:07] Nick change: moha_ -> moha [09:07] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-04c476b15c8f9986) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009012111]" [09:08] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-62-245.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:08] Nick change: moha -> mohaa [09:08] <_RadioHead> thumbs: try with mount -o loop initrd.imgs /path [09:08] <_RadioHead> but if loop is not includede in kernel try modprobe loop [09:08] /sbin/mount -o loop /home/amunra/slackwarebuild/initrd.img /mnt/hd [09:09] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:09] ok [09:09] <_RadioHead> thumbs: it is ok now? [09:09] radiohead 22 march in brazil :D [09:09] Naw, loop should be there because I tested looping an Arch Linux iso and it worked [09:09] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:09] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:09] <_RadioHead> odelot: :) [09:10] <_RadioHead> odelot: u r from brazil [09:10] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) joined ##slackware. [09:10] _RadioHead: yes, baby [09:10] Nick change: sidmario_ -> sidmario [09:10] <_RadioHead> lol [09:10] <_RadioHead> bah i am so far from music now damn :( [09:10] why? [09:11] ops... off topic [09:11] If an iso mounts properly.. .img/initrd should [09:11] I should reinstall the stock kernel and see what happens [09:12] <_RadioHead> odelot: busy noatime :0 [09:12] I see [09:12] <_RadioHead> but also when u have kids then is difficulte:) to listen what u want... , u have one music lol kids one [09:13] noatime :) [09:13] heh [09:13] <_RadioHead> tank-man: :) [09:15] Thurin1: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/cant-mount-some-initrd-images-273493/ not sure though [09:16] kids scream... thats sound so good [09:16] <_RadioHead> lol [09:18] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:18] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.6.102) joined ##slackware. [09:18] _RadioHead: buy musics to sleep cd [09:19] <_RadioHead> sleep 5 :) [09:20] i00nsu_ (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) joined ##slackware. [09:20] aperturefever: No, but thanks. [09:21] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Anyways it's not mount nor 'loop' or any filesystem dependency because I can loop iso images fine and I can even mount a dvd and then mount an iso from the dvd loop'ed [09:23] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev loop0. [09:23] GFS2: Unrecognized block device or mount point /dev/loop0 [09:23] GFS2: gfs2 mount does not exist [09:23] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.6.102) left irc: Client Quit [09:23] I found that in dmesg.. -- could be the clue yes? [09:23] custom kernel [09:23] I'm assuming [09:23] yes he has custom kernel [09:24] Then it would appear something is missing either from the kernel image itself or the initrd [09:24] Yeah [09:25] Well I'm trying to mount the stock Slackware 12.1 initrd from DVD and I'm using a custom kernel from the 2.6.25* series [09:28] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "leaving" [09:29] xavy (n=alessand@host250-18-static.57-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:32] gfs2? [09:35] airon (n=leo@212.141.121.52) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_File_System .. what? [09:36] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [09:36] xavy (n=alessand@host250-18-static.57-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [09:40] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:40] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. 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[09:49] eh [09:49] README.initrd in /boot [09:49] its not that difficult [09:50] they why not go all the way and customize your kernel some more so you dont need a initrd [09:50] tank-man, I don't have an initrd anymore with my kernel :) [09:50] But I'm trying to make a custom slackware CD for myself and some buddies [09:52] oh.. one of those [09:52] Yeah in /boot /lib/setup/ is removed [09:52] If not i'd use that.. [09:52] well.. FYI, to make a custom bootable CD.. you'll need an initrd. [09:53] mbhayes, Um, yeah, why do you think i'm customizing one? [09:53] :) [09:53] k [09:53] 09:50 < Thurin1> tank-man, I don't have an initrd anymore with my kernel :) [09:53] that's what I was basing my comment/observation on [09:54] mbhayes, Naw that's for this system - this is my personal system I try to not break it too much [09:54] isnt there a huge.s that needs no initrd? [09:54] yep [09:54] Thurin1 maybe this will help > http://www.slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=installation#4 [09:54] but for a bootable cd I believe you have no choice but to use initrd [09:55] http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Cooking_Up_Some_Slack_CUSS [09:55] It's a little old ... so yeah [09:56] Yeah, you need an initrd for a CD - if not it ends in kernel panic [09:57] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:59] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] she_dyed (n=jazze17@adsl-10-91-39.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:01] guys this tutorial works on 12.2? [10:01] http://slackwiki.org/Minimal_System [10:02] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [10:03] v4nelle, yeah [10:03] jjholt (n=a@72.240.46.138) joined ##slackware. [10:03] there are not added other packages?> [10:04] As long as you install the 'required' stuff and, I would argue, base as a whole - you're good .. you won't have much to do anything but you'll have a pretty minimal system. [10:05] it says "F" is required, which is not true [10:05] But heh, without a 'package manager' - you are going to be in dependency hell building up your system [10:05] A minimal slack is super minimal.. it's almost an automatic version of LFS [10:06] no package manager? [10:06] antler, No dependency checking [10:07] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [10:08] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) got netsplit. [10:08] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) got netsplit. [10:08] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) got netsplit. [10:08] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) got netsplit. [10:08] HexTasy_ (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) got netsplit. 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[10:20] dimmerbold, yes [10:20] Anakin (i=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [10:20] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-235c7b6fc2dfb634) left irc: [10:21] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:21] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [10:21] _RadioHead: what? [10:22] <_RadioHead> thumbs: ? [10:25] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:27] jjholt (n=a@72.240.46.138) left irc: [10:31] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:487) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:33] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:34] 09:08 < _RadioHead> thumbs: try with mount -o loop initrd.imgs /path [10:34] 09:09 < _RadioHead> thumbs: it is ok now? [10:35] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) got netsplit. [10:35] HexTasy_ (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [10:35] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) got netsplit. [10:35] Shuren (n=Devilman@host186-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got netsplit. [10:35] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) got netsplit. [10:35] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) got netsplit. [10:35] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) got netsplit. [10:35] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-136-207-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) got netsplit. [10:35] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) got netsplit. [10:35] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) got netsplit. [10:35] wow, a lot of peoples here :)) [10:36] <_RadioHead> thumbs: ask Thurin1 [10:36] which package management is mostly used in slackware? swaret, slap-get? just pkgtool? :) [10:36] _RadioHead: why should I? Did you have a question for me? [10:36] thumbs, You're trying to loop initrd too? [10:36] Thurin1: no. [10:36] HexTasy (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Thurin1: I never asked any question, nor do I require any help. [10:37] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) returned to ##slackware. [10:37] <_RadioHead> thumbs: nope i did not have question for you [10:37] Thurin1: why did you address me? [10:37] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-136-207-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] toor, I stick with pkgtool and slackbuilds [10:37] what protocol does Network-attached storage devices use? [10:37] <_RadioHead> thumbs: accept my apologies TAB completition [10:37] errr [10:37] _RadioHead: I see. [10:37] <_RadioHead> thumbs: ask Thurin1 [10:38] ah nevermind. [10:38] <_RadioHead> thumbs: also now i see :) i entered wrong nick lol [10:38] <_RadioHead> so sorry man [10:38] Thurin1: and you check dependencies by hand? :) [10:38] toor, rarely have to [10:38] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) returned to ##slackware. [10:38] Most things compile pretty carefree -- except for Gnome stuff Gnome stuff is always a pain in the ass. [10:38] imarambiocatan_ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:39] is it possible if I install slack 10.0 to upgrade to 12.2 afterwards? [10:39] toor, Why? [10:39] Why not just install 12.2 in the first place? [10:39] toor: you will have to perform incremental upgrades. [10:39] because I have no actual installation media :) [10:39] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) returned to ##slackware. [10:39] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) returned to ##slackware. [10:39] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) returned to ##slackware. 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[10:40] I'm a debianer :P [10:40] You could always install from your existing distro [10:41] Just chroot's [10:41] But you do risk severe breakage of your current system ;D [10:41] even not possible to upgrade from 10 to 12 with swaret or similar tools? [10:41] toor: no. [10:42] why not? lol :D [10:42] toor: there were major toolchain updated. [10:42] thats crap [10:42] s/updayed/updates/ [10:42] toor: glibc upgrades will render your system unbootable [10:43] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) got netsplit. [10:43] HexTasy_ (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [10:43] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) got netsplit. [10:43] Shuren (n=Devilman@host186-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got netsplit. [10:43] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) got netsplit. [10:43] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-136-207-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) got netsplit. 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[10:43] Shuren (n=Devilman@host186-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) returned to ##slackware. [10:43] 12$?! [10:43] Nick change: imarambiocatan_ -> nachox [10:43] toor, You should ask for a bailout XD [10:44] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:44] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [10:45] howto upgrade incremental? [10:45] downloading all packages by hand and install it? :D [10:45] toor, Read the slackware update stuff on the site [10:45] I never update - I just backup "my" files, install the new version, if i want it, and restore my stuff. [10:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@werk1.at) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Thurin1: lol, thats crap too :) [10:46] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:46] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) got netsplit. [10:46] HexTasy_ (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) got netsplit. 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[10:47] I believe gentoo does actually offers more comfort than this :P [10:47] alienBOB: Thanks for the tagfile generator script [10:47] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Success [10:47] Arch has a nice rolling release system - it's good - but... it's so bleeding edge that you end up with broken stuff every once in a while which is not fun [10:47] 10 -> 12.2 will not work using an auotmatic tool, I can almost guarentee it [10:47] <_RadioHead> Thurin1: @~ i forgot when i format my slackware :) [10:47] uh [10:47] _RadioHead, :) [10:47] I think I injuried my rist from typing too much :/ [10:48] Thurin1: my debian sys is now running about 4 years :) [10:48] I format often more than once a year.. I format like at least twice a month [10:48] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:48] I don't get people taking pride in uptime. [10:48] It just means your kernel is old as shit and you have a bad sleeping schedule due to fan noise. [10:48] alienBOB: hmm.. why not just use the slackpkg update-all for patches instead of the rsync patches script? [10:48] updating by hand *ROFL* that's unusable for me [10:49] Gargantua, I don't think he means uptime [10:49] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) got netsplit. [10:49] HexTasy_ (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [10:49] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) got netsplit. [10:49] Shuren (n=Devilman@host186-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got netsplit. [10:49] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) got netsplit. [10:49] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-136-207-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) got netsplit. [10:49] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) got netsplit. [10:49] I think he means how long debian has been installed without a format [10:49] toor: then don't use slackware and gtfo [10:49] toor, did you? [10:49] exactly what thrice` says :) [10:49] no new installation since about 4 years [10:49] aeh, what Thurin1 says, sorry [10:49] regardless, I just needed to say that about uptime fanatics. [10:49] toor, All distros have ups and downs [10:50] Debian for example has bloat [10:50] It pulls in dependencies that aren't really needed 'just in case' [10:50] the box I'm on now has not been formatted since about 11.0 [10:50] Ubuntu has a shitty name [10:50] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Operation timed out [10:50] MrHales (i=0c18ef91@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-81608d0b6acdc74b) joined ##slackware. [10:50] It installs 'optional' deps you probably won't use.. so in time it just becomes a big monster [10:50] I even don't like the URL of slackwares home :P [10:50] toor: read UPGRADE.TXT [10:50] .com domains look commercial for me :D [10:50] Use a link then [10:50] Gargantua, Uptime is important for servers of course :) [10:51] .org rules :P [10:51] toor: are you going to contribute anything useful, or just complain taht you're not intelligent enough to upgrade your system ? [10:51] Thurin1, lest, of course, there's a huge kernel security bug. [10:51] toor: see the door? -----------------> [10:51] you've clearly established that you'll stick with your distro. anything else today? [10:51] Gargantua, Yes - but then, obviously, you bring it down and fix it [10:51] Making uptime irrelivant :P [10:51] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) returned to ##slackware. [10:51] thrice`: there are a lot of usable distributions [10:52] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) returned to ##slackware. [10:52] toor: and slackware is not one of them for you. anything else today? [10:52] yes, we'd prefer you use one of them and leave. [10:52] toor, Usable is relative [10:52] go bother them [10:52] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) returned to ##slackware. [10:52] Good morning, all, or evening, or whatever. [10:52] toor: really don't get it, if you don't like slackware why are you here ? [10:53] I'm thinking about if I want to change [10:53] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [10:53] no, don't change. you like you just the way you are. [10:53] :D [10:53] :))) [10:53] a big deficit of debian stable is after a time the packages are so damn old [10:54] I'm thinkin freenode should be renamed to freesplit or something similiar. [10:54] toor: debian stable is outdated by definition. [10:54] but they still do their job isn't it ? [10:54] chopp: lol [10:54] thumbs: but very stable ;) [10:54] toor, If your computer works.. [10:54] why change? [10:54] A computer is just a tool ... [10:55] Shuren (n=Devilman@host186-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got lost in the net-split. [10:55] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) got lost in the net-split. [10:55] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-136-207-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:55] HexTasy_ (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:55] toor is also a tool [10:55] he is. [10:55] lol [10:55] haha [10:55] lol [10:55] If you can't grow some balls, toor, there's always slapt. [10:55] Action: MrHales golf claps. [10:56] in the next time I want to do a education as IT specialist in application development, so somebody told me I should learn a lot about the linux system :) [10:56] <_RadioHead> Gargantua: balls or beans? :) [10:56] and debian does all the system stuff for me [10:56] that's the reason why I'm thinking about to change [10:56] toor: then stick with debian [10:56] except when it doesn't. [10:56] Debian, etch and earlier, is slow... [10:56] Lenny is pretty quick I was actually impressed at it's speed. [10:57] toor: yes, if you can admin slackware, you will know how linux works [10:57] I already worked with slackware :P [10:57] just use what you like man [10:57] but never needed to upgrade a sys [10:57] Ubuntu! [10:57] Use Ubuntu! [10:57] We don't like talking about sementics except when joking [10:57] toor: we don't care what you use [10:57] kubuntu rules the world :D [10:57] If you got a technical question then you can ask it [10:58] hitest: I know :) [10:58] Zygocactus (n=zygocact@189.77.50.183) left irc: "." [10:59] toor: it's good to research a distro before you use it, but your purpose is defeated when you cling and your mind is closed. [10:59] when bother researching when that's the case? [10:59] *why [10:59] <_RadioHead> antler: i am sure you know what IGNORE IS :) whyjust ignore and he will bother himself soon :) [10:59] I just want to make sure that I don't have to spend the most of my time in package management and stuff like that, because that's not linux specific [11:00] dimmerbold, tab expansion pwned me, sorry [11:00] _RadioHead: he's not bothering me. i'm just explaining what i take to be very basic facts [11:01] <_RadioHead> antler: :) but whom :) [11:02] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] toor, you have a very simple standard package manager that install files from a tgz file, which means you have to consider libs, there's an apt-like system that does dependency checking for you, if you want, but it is generally not recommended. [11:05] slackytude: ha! np. [11:05] ^-^ [11:06] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:12] hax0r_ (n=hax0r@189.105.8.99) left irc: Client Quit [11:13] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:13] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [11:13] <_RadioHead> init ~ tomorrow ppl [11:14] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.30) left irc: "Leaving" [11:14] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] Hi. I've been using Fedora for some days, but I feel that I won't learn anything with it. I decided to install Gentoo, or Slackware, I'm not sure. I've read that Slackware is mostly based for servers. Does it suit a personnal use ? [11:14] absolutely [11:14] yes [11:15] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89DF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:17] Great. Honestly, do you think that it brings more skill than Fedora ? :p I would like a distro, not awfully complex, but which allows to do some manipulations to make it work... [11:17] GArik_ (n=wesnoth@mpd-1742.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:18] The main problem is that I'm really new to UNIX/Linux's world. [11:18] Shuren (n=Devilman@host186-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:18] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:18] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:20] guys iwl3945 works by default on slack 12.2? [11:20] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [11:20] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "laterz" [11:21] yep [11:22] Tournevyks1: you will learn more using slackware or gentoo, yes, as it promotes you to configure stuff yourself [11:23] Ok, thanks, last think. As Slack doesn't handle dependencies, isn't it too hard to install progs ? [11:23] Tournevyks1: i think administrative tasks in slackware are complex, but they're also made salient. [11:25] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.133) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Tournevyks1: no, not difficult to install software. the deps, if any, are usually listed in the relevant readme file [11:26] Tournevyks1 (n=gaby@AFontenayssB-151-1-23-49.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:26] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [11:28] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:28] Tournevyks (n=gaby@AFontenayssB-151-1-23-49.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:28] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Sorry, connexion problem. Is it absolutely sure that drivers which work on Ubuntu will work on Slack ? [11:30] giuppy (n=giuppy@host28-2-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:31] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:31] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [11:33] giuppy (n=giuppy@host13-43-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:34] howto add a user to a sudo group ? [11:34] google [11:35] scroogle [11:36] i00nsu_: man sudoers [11:36] and man sudo, while you're at it [11:37] Spiko (n=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] TheBig (n=TheBig@147.162.98.138) joined ##slackware. [11:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGrQcQ9fWLc [11:38] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:39] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:39] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Ether_Man (n=user@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] haha.. this is perfect.. can specify what command user can execute.. greeeat! [11:44] alkos333 (n=alkos333@werk1.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:45] npad (n=nick@dsl211-146-242.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "BitchX: try our lowfat flavor too!" [11:45] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-203567.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "kamikaze reboot" [11:45] nick____ (n=nick@dsl211-146-242.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Nick change: nick____ -> npad [11:46] I am noticing with slackware my xwindow is slow switching desktops with apps up and running [11:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:46] compared to other distros which has no problem swapping desktop numbers [11:47] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:47] switching from desktop 1 to 2 takes long time to render windows [11:47] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:47] mikeman1 (n=mikeb332@72-28-223-073-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Hey guys have a Q: I am looking to automate a few browsers tasks, so I wanted to load up firefox and have it automatically fill out the needed data and submit form, I dont wanna post via php/perl/etc I'd like to have the actual browser do it. Anyone have an idea what language I could do that in? [11:48] well this is cool [11:48] or if I cat a big file, it lags . I am using nvidia [11:48] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:48] this is wrong. any of you seeing that as well? [11:48] npad, 'glxinfo | grep dir' [11:48] I am seeing it on all three of my machines [11:48] one is intel gpu [11:48] npad, is direct rendering on? [11:48] mikeman1: uhh what? how is the browser going to know what data to put in a form? [11:48] it won't without user interaction [11:49] let me try glxinfo [11:49] unless its a form on a web page and you want to "pre-fill" form information.. [11:49] apparently every client except mplayer has a "bug" that causes it to drop mpd generated icecast streams on track changes [11:49] vlc, xine, gstreamer, etc [11:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.28) left irc: [11:49] mikeman1, there is an auto fill in forms extension for FF [11:49] dive it says "Error: glxCreateContext failed [11:50] mbhayes: well yeah it can read from text files/db/whatever I need it to fill forum out and submit, the autofill extension isn't gonna help me i just looked into it. [11:50] npad, sounds like no hardware rendering then [11:51] ok how do I fix that [11:51] which card is it? [11:51] mikeman1: I guess I'm still failing to see what you're trying to accomplish. [11:51] its both nvidia and intel chipset [11:51] Nick change: PiterPun1 -> PiterPunk [11:51] all my machines suffer from that. im using slackware 12.1 and 12.2 [11:52] click a button and it automates a tast of filling out form data and posting, the data can be retrieved from a system text file. [11:52] Ether_Man (n=user@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:52] eh [11:52] I guess Id on't see a point then.. whichi s why I'm confused lol [11:52] for nvidia cards either download the driver from slackbuilds.org or nvidia.com, install, change driver in xorg.conf to 'nvidia' [11:52] reboot X [11:52] e [11:52] dusty__ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: "leaving" [11:53] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:53] npad, must also 'modprobe nvidia' before starting X [11:53] dive, driver is nvidia [11:53] IrquiM (n=irquim@171.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:54] hmm [11:54] npad: how did you install the nvidia driver? [11:54] check the settings in xorg.conf then for hardware accel I guess [11:54] and same for my intel gpu , i edit in xorg.conf for driver 'intel' and still suffers [11:54] via nvidia's website driver for linux [11:54] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:54] ok, how was the xorg.conf generated? [11:55] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.18) joined ##slackware. [11:55] by nvidia [11:55] hm, is the module loaded? [11:55] nvidia's install tool [11:55] Nick change: Patzy_ -> Patzy [11:55] yes it is loaded [11:55] x owuldn't start if the module wasn't loaded [11:55] dive is right [11:56] yeah [11:56] hopefully nvidia setup will have put a lot of options in xorg.conf - mostly commented out - all I can suggest is trying thos [11:57] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@62-101-126-235.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:57] but you need to make sure in modules section you have the right modules loading for glx etc [11:57] dive, i dont see hardware accelerate in xorg.conf, can you tell me exactly the line [11:58] Option "RenderAccel" "True" [11:58] Option "DRI" "True" [11:58] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:59] ok what section should that be under? "Module" ? [11:59] Load "glx", Load "dri", in modules section maybe another - let me check my othe rmachine [11:59] ok [12:00] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] ok for nvidia don't need Load "dri" [12:00] need glx though [12:00] ok [12:00] zErOaCid (i=slacker@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:00] |alisonken1lap| (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [12:00] i have glx already [12:01] I thought there was one other... [12:01] but im adding RenderAccel [12:01] does yours have that RenderAccel? [12:01] maybe also Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" [12:01] yes [12:02] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.133) left irc: ":wq" [12:02] ok I'll reboot X [12:02] heh i don't have renderaccel on mine [12:02] |alisonken1lap| (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:03] Anakin (i=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [12:03] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [12:03] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.90.90.50) joined ##slackware. [12:03] yet i have direct rendering [12:03] hmm [12:03] perhaps its on by defaul tthen [12:04] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [12:05] no allowgxw... either :P [12:06] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn73.78-99-46.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [12:06] okay restarted X, it crashes saying "True" is not valid [12:06] MrHales (i=0c18ef91@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-81608d0b6acdc74b) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [12:06] I dont see "True" in other lines [12:07] so I'm taking it out [12:07] hmm can you put your xorg.conf up on pastebin.ca? [12:07] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [12:09] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:09] npad: run nvidia-xconfig again just to see [12:09] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "Reconnecting..." [12:09] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [12:09] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [12:09] the topic doesnt have url for pastebin, what was it? [12:10] www.pastebin.ca [12:10] ahh ok Im using lynx for now :^) [12:11] it would be much easier if we could see your xorg.conf [12:12] install wgetpaste :) [12:13] thrice`: You know that KDE4 has a "pastebin" plasmoid? [12:14] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@62-101-126-235.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] ok pasted at pastebin.ca/1352039 [12:14] i took out "True" on both lines and it started X [12:14] now my window seems quicker [12:15] but i remember its like that for a short time then a day or two later it starts to lag [12:15] maybe memory leak.... [12:15] lines 94 and 95 are wrong [12:16] they should be in device section as 'Option ... blabla "True"' [12:16] mbhayes: he doesn't have xorg, so I don't think it'd help :> [12:16] not in modules section [12:16] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-44c28893dc3e73fa) joined ##slackware. [12:17] notice i have two 'device' sections [12:17] can I just merge them into one [12:18] and it should be "option" i think, not "load" [12:18] oh, dive ^^ [12:19] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] god what a mess [12:20] you are using Twinview - do you need it? [12:20] i have two monitors [12:20] ok [12:20] its for work :) [12:21] again, do I need two Section "Devices", can I merge them together? [12:22] well, I could test it myself [12:22] have you tried turning twinview off to see if glxinfo works? [12:22] no [12:22] I think you need two devices there because you have 2 screen/monitor sctions that reference them [12:23] but they have different info in each [12:23] then which device section would I insert the RenderAccel and so on [12:23] but if I were you I backup that file and then edit it to clean it up [12:23] true [12:24] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:25] you can put RenderAccel in both device sections [12:25] but we aren't sure that's the problem [12:25] first thing I would do is disable twinview and check glxinfo [12:26] BucketDuck (n=slave@1-1-6-35a.f.sth.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [12:26] How do I set my network settings for my wireless card? I don't have a DE/WM installed and I don't want one, so I'm in bash [12:27] I tried iwconfig, but using that I can't have a passphrase [12:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@exp5a.lax.trit.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] what type of encryption? [12:27] WPA, I guess [12:28] you guess? it kind of matters [12:28] Yeah sorry it's WPA, I had to check it" [12:28] it* [12:28] did you set up /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? [12:28] Oh..no [12:28] I guess I'll do that then. Thanks. [12:29] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [12:29] that will help you setup wpa_supplicant.conf, and then integrate them into slackware's init script pretty easily [12:29] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-44c28893dc3e73fa) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009012111]" [12:30] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Tournevyks (n=gaby@AFontenayssB-151-1-23-49.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [12:32] lw0x15__ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:32] thrice`: Oh I know.. just saying.. I ran across that last night.. thought that was kind of cool.. though about writing one for noobfarm "KDE4 noobfarm plasmoid" has a nice ring to it [12:32] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:61) joined ##slackware. [12:32] DuckBucket (n=slave@1-1-6-35a.f.sth.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [12:32] mbhayes: hehe [12:32] me again, irssi died when su'ing [12:33] Okay, I set the file up. What do I do now? xd [12:33] xD* [12:33] DuckBucket, did you even read that link that thrice` posted? [12:33] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:33] 05:29 < thrice`> http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [12:34] Thanks, I missed that one [12:34] I just suspended and set that file up [12:34] hrm power devil appears to be running on my desktop at home.. will need to turn thnat off [12:34] daemon? :| [12:37] okay i cleaned up the xorg.conf and backed up the original. it looks better now, coherent [12:37] I hope it is okay for now [12:37] thanks guys [12:37] npad, dod you turn off twinview and check glxinfo? [12:37] did* [12:38] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) joined ##slackware. [12:38] no.. [12:38] let me do that [12:39] by turn it off I mean setting the xorg line to "0" [12:39] not by using nvidia-settings [12:40] same thing [12:40] ricardo (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:61) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:61) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:40] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:40] xorg line to "0" ? I just uncommented the line [12:40] npad, then have a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors too [12:40] added a # to start of the line where Twinview [12:41] Nick change: ricardo -> jiraia [12:41] npad, you had it in there twice so... [12:42] is there anything against moving home for root to /home/root instead of /root? [12:42] better actaully put "option twinview 0" [12:42] ahh [12:42] error in GLX [12:42] failed to initialize the GLX module [12:43] and make sure only one line is uncommented [12:43] im only seeing one monitor turned on, so means the commented out line works [12:43] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) joined ##slackware. [12:43] npad, that's a problem then- without glx I don't think you will get direct rendering, which makes moving/resizing windows, switching desktops slow [12:44] right [12:44] bingo [12:44] but no idea why it isn't loading [12:44] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:44] try 'dmesg | grep -i agp' [12:44] jesus have nvidia generate another xorg.conf and take it from there. makes more sense at this point. [12:44] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] lol [12:45] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:45] dmesg doesnt have agp [12:45] 'lsmod | grep agp' [12:45] also [12:45] two lines from lsmod [12:46] intel_agp [12:46] agppart nvidia,intel_agp [12:46] hmm that's ok then [12:46] maybe glx is in wrong section [12:46] no it should be in modules [12:48] well I am stumped at this point [12:48] sorry [12:48] then thats where google comes in... [12:48] npad, there is a linux forum on nvidia.com [12:49] they may be able to help [12:50] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:51] im in it now.. [12:52] TheBig (n=TheBig@147.162.98.138) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] npad: do you have 3d accel as root? just curious [12:53] i00nsu_ (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:56] antler, i dont know :( [12:56] npad, su to root and startx [12:56] but form says nvidia installer needs Xorg SDK. does slackware come with that? [12:56] if theres no Xorg SDK then nvidia reverts to basic driver [12:57] slackware comes with tools/libs for you to compile things, yes [12:57] slackware comes with everything you need for it [13:00] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "leaving" [13:02] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-155-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:02] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] npad, when you installed slack did you do a 'full' install? Possible you are missing a lib [13:09] yes i did a full.. [13:10] im now downloading latest nvidia driver, no other hope [13:10] making backup of the xorg.conf I wrote [13:11] npad: I hope it's not 180.35. That one is broken. [13:11] 180.29 is fine, though. [13:12] yes i downlaoded the 29 [13:12] i had 22 previously [13:12] ah [13:13] during nvidia installation, it says "error: file 'usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so' is not a symbolic link [13:13] what does yours look like? [13:13] where does the link point to? [13:13] I sometimes get that [13:13] but it still works [13:13] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:13] tribeca (n=naitso@host178-240-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:14] It should just ignore it and go on. [13:14] /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so -> libglx.so.180.22* [13:14] Or, at least, that's what I do. [13:14] I'm using .22 [13:14] Are you using the SlackBuilds for the Nvidia driver? [13:14] i00nsu_ (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) joined ##slackware. [13:16] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A75017.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:17] does anyone know flexlm much? [13:17] i'm trying to install maya .. [13:17] there is windows keygen ..but i'm not quite close to any windows bxes .... [13:20] ppl tell me: is a 70c temperature normal for a GPU hardware? [13:21] i00nsu_: p4? :P [13:21] yes [13:21] then i guess it is [13:21] hehehe [13:21] ok, cool [13:21] interesting, the nvidia config auto moved the RenderAccel option from device to Screen section [13:21] dont you mean 'ok, hot'? [13:21] i00nsu_: i wouldnt trust me, search the world wide web [13:21] :P [13:21] haha dive [13:22] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:23] yay now GLX is loaded [13:23] alkos333 (n=alkos333@exp5a.lax.trit.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:23] no error in /var/log/Xorg [13:23] good [13:24] what did you do? [13:24] let's hope it's an improvement [13:24] as you said, jesus, reinstall nvidia driver :) [13:24] hehe [13:24] then at the end, nvidia asked if I wanted it to auto config the xorg.conf. so I let it. [13:25] I dont see much change it did at all except to move RenderAccel from Device to Screen section.... [13:25] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-137.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:25] ah, but you didn't enable hidden characters in the xorg.conf ;) [13:25] okay so now the real test is watching it slow down next few days [13:26] npad, sorry my mistake - mine _is_ in screen section :/ [13:26] not device [13:26] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] ohhhhhhhh [13:27] but now you should try switching desktops to see if there's an improvment [13:27] oy! QT 4.5 released [13:27] I cant tell until after few hours of launching many windows and doing some work [13:27] it starts to slow down after some time [13:27] heh it shouldn't slow down if you have direct rendering. either you do or you don't. it's not like it gets tired and slows down over time [13:27] somehow i hit a button that made my xchat drop down menu's dissapear, how do i make them come back ? [13:27] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:28] welll thats the observation thus far. usually if I reboot x window it speeds up . only other thing i can think of is.. the dreaded memory leak via some app [13:28] nm [13:28] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-128.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:28] well it woulds slow down without direct rendering - it will probably use more and more ram until it starts disk caching [13:28] got it, ok thanks [13:29] now onto my next thing... udev. [13:30] minicom cant open unless I am root :( [13:30] anyway I'll do that on my own [13:31] strankan` (i=strankan@c-84cd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:34] pupit1 (n=Monika@93.86.1.252) joined ##slackware. [13:35] X becoming slower? sure it isnt windows? [13:36] it's him getting faster [13:36] pupit1 (n=Monika@93.86.1.252) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:37] dont do drugs! [13:37] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] speedfreak [13:37] Action: slackytude shakes head [13:37] what is the world coming to [13:38] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [13:38] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.24.54) joined ##slackware. [13:39] slackytude, the sink of bohemian depravity [13:39] that is what happens if young people dont get a thrasing on a regular basis [13:39] bring back the birch! 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[13:44] The latter is probably right [13:44] Action: slackytude enjoys his evening [13:44] free drugs [13:45] oh! you were just opposing younger people doing drugs. :P [13:45] Drugs are bad [13:45] Action: Thurin1 takes a puff of his cig and sip of his Coffee [13:45] Real bad [13:45] :) [13:45] antler, sure, they just can't cope with it [13:45] :P [13:46] MrHales (i=0c18ef91@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9e8790169bbf4608) joined ##slackware. [13:46] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] man [13:47] slackware doesn't ship with dict [13:47] unbelievable [13:47] Believe it? o.O [13:47] tntslack (n=will@adsl33-25.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:48] dionysian: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=dict&sv=12.2 [13:48] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.24.54) left irc: "Leaving" [13:49] those aren't really what i want [13:49] omfg [13:50] slackytude: was wondering... are you in a technical discipline/career or on a technical career path? or are you a film student? [13:51] antler, what in hell makes you think Im a film student? [13:51] not that it's a bad thing to be [13:51] Anyone else having to access xfce.org by IP? [13:51] MrHales, xfce.org works for me [13:51] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:52] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [13:52] dict: well, what is this universal dict package I've never heard of, and isn't available on SBo? :) [13:53] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:53] slackytude: from that one picture you posted on--oh whhat's it's called...something to do with slackware and posting one's mug---i started to think that you were an existentialist film student with aspirations of directing for the screen stories such as 'metamorphosis' or 'nausea' [13:53] Must be the route from here, then... weird though [13:53] ftp://ftp.dict.org/dict/ [13:54] slackytude: (but i could be wrong) :P [13:54] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] antler, Im studying CS and work for a small software house [13:55] !! [13:55] ananke, -_- [13:55] hehe [13:55] eh, damit [13:55] antler, -_- [13:56] When I try to build qgo, it complains that qt >=3.0.3 (headers and libraries) not found. I'm using qt4 via packages in kde 4.2 deps. It *appears* that qt3 support is included [13:56] well i wasn't too far off..... :P [13:56] MrHales: You have a qt3 package? [13:57] (ls /var/log/packages | grep qt) [13:57] I've tried pointing configure to the right place (--with-qt-blah) [13:57] I think you need qt3 and qt4 installed [13:57] qt4 isn't compatible with qt3, from what I understand, but 4 has 3 support [13:58] Only the lightest bit of it. [13:58] i have both 3 and 4 [13:58] There are qt3 support functions in 4, but you have to rewrite your code to use them. [13:58] oh. [13:58] Also, they're not universal. [13:59] Well, there ya go. [13:59] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.143) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Figure out how to set the /dev/cdrom and/or /dev/dvd symlinks. Everything seems to [13:59] # report itself as a DVD-ROM, so don't blame me. Without asking what's what, all we can [13:59] # do here is guess. It's a better guess than before, though, as now it takes ide-scsi [13:59] # into account. [13:59] oops [14:00] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.143) left irc: Client Quit [14:00] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.143) joined ##slackware. [14:01] There should be a qt3 package in the testing/ directory. [14:01] Somewhere. [14:01] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Ugh. Great that slackware doesn't include some random crap that has its own FTP site and was last updated in 2004 [14:01] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A75017.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:08] ricardo (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:61) joined ##slackware. [14:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: ":q" [14:09] jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:61) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:09] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.24.54) joined ##slackware. [14:10] slackytude, what's new since 0.9 ? [14:11] O_o [14:11] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [14:11] everyting? [14:11] o_O [14:12] contents of changelog: * [14:12] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:12] Zygocactus (n=Zygocact@189.77.48.223) joined ##slackware. [14:17] she_dyed (n=jazz@adsl-156-244-14.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] where is that guy that was making a custom CD... [14:19] right there ---> Thurin1 [14:20] success? or suck excess? 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[14:47] Nick change: Zygocactus -> Zygocactus[facul [14:47] jkwood: I can from this box [14:48] which is not the box I'm using to connect to vpn [14:48] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: [14:48] Well, I was just testing if your DNS was working on the VPN box. [14:49] Oh, the dns doesn't have external access [14:49] so, I don't want to connect to internet through the VPN [14:49] I want to use my own internet access for internet access [14:49] and the vpn to access the vpn network which is not connected to the internet directly [14:49] Ah, okay. [14:49] oli (i=oli@platinum.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:50] oli (i=oli@platinum.edu.pl) left ##slackware. [14:50] Action: jkwood doesn't know, then [14:50] lol, thanks anyways [14:50] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Are those markers, as in "[*] Activate markers" [14:52] ? 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[15:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [15:05] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [15:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:07] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Zygocactus[facul (n=Zygocact@189.77.48.223) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] hello! [15:08] hi [15:08] Action: TwinReverb tests for rank today [15:09] During a typical install [15:09] Are the packages read directly from DVD/slackware? -or are they copied from /slackware to /mnt/tmp? [15:09] read from dvd and installed to /mnt [15:10] unless you specify it to read from some other place, but the packages aren't copied, they're installed to /mnt [15:10] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:10] TwinReverb, good luck [15:10] nullboy: care to answer a couple stupid questions? [15:10] alienBOB: I fixed my gpg issue. Somehow gpg-agent.conf got screwed up. I suspect it was kgpg's fault, but am not sure yet [15:10] i'm sure i can give you some stupid answers for some stupid questions [15:11] slackytude, thanks [15:11] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: No route to host [15:11] Ok, and where in the installer usr/lib/setup/?? does it find the /slackware directory? -- what file handles that part of it? [15:11] ricardo (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:61) left irc: "Leaving" [15:11] TwinReverb, I hope you are well prepared? [15:11] Excellent! Any idea why I get things like [ 818.185740] prepended to all kernel messages? [15:11] slackytude, nope lol [15:11] I'd rather not have them in one dir - but have each package set as a directory in and of itself [15:11] TwinReverb, heh, *good* luck then [15:12] MrHales, you did something when you compiled your kernel. check your options. [15:12] Yeah, that I know... but what? [15:13] I tend to be particularly, no, *spectacularly* bad at compiling kernels. [15:13] MrHales, i can't remember the option's name but if you read through them (it's probably in one of the first four menu areas) you'll find it, the name will give it away [15:13] Thurin1, I'm not getting that question. what do you want to do? [15:13] did you do a make allmodconfig or something? [15:13] strankan` (i=strankan@c-84cd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Connection timed out [15:13] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [15:13] he picked that option where kernel time is prepended to all logs or something like that [15:13] No, make menuconfig, went through, taking my time, and examining every option [15:14] MrHales, next time, try to remeber what you did. that helps a lot [15:14] why are you building yourself a custom kernel? [15:14] Trying to make the leanest kernel possible for an Eee PC [15:14] My boot time is somewhere under 30 seconds, I think, but I've not timed it [15:15] Action: Old_Fogie uses huge-smp...fast as lightening on intel atom /me thinks. [15:15] Oh, and why do I get complaints about oss-mixer, et al.? I've compiled oss compatability in [15:15] but it complains about modules not being present [15:15] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] MrHales, i would recommend that you do this: copy the generic-smp kernel config into your build directory as .config, then make menuconfig, and go specify your processor, specify desktop pre-empt, make sure the amount of RAM is proper, set 300Hz or 1000Hz for timer frequency, then go through the rest of the kernel config and make sure you're only disabling what you know you do not have [15:15] huge-smp was pretty quick, but there's a lot of stuff unneeded built into that one. [15:15] and make sure your filesystem(s) are all <*> so you don't need an initrd [15:16] ars technica has a nice entry about xfce on their frontpage [15:16] with only 4G storage, space is a big concern [15:16] (and when you specify your specific processor, disable Generic X86 option or whatever it is that adds a bunch of generic optimizations) [15:16] i know the config option [15:16] MrHales: CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME [15:16] ah there it is [15:16] disable that thing man [15:16] Thanks nullboy [15:16] :-) [15:16] there's very little one needs to do to generic-smp kernel in slackware to make it lean and mean [15:16] MrHales: have any graphs to prove the pc will be faster? I mean, Slackware is only 30 meg of ram when booted into runlevel 3. I'm not being a wise ass, really, but maybe spend time on dusting under the bed would be more fruitful :D [15:16] nullboy, that answer wasnt nearly stupid enough [15:17] slackytude: lol [15:17] True. [15:17] slackytude, MrHales 's question wasn't stupid though so no stupidity in = no stupidity out [15:17] SISO :) [15:17] mmm MRE crackers [15:18] MrHales: I can see adding preempt, and 300khz timer but other than that, I can't see any difference. Now, if we were talking a 2.4 kernel vs a 2.6 well yeah now that's a big savings, but that wont work for an atom (sad wish it did) [15:18] Old_Fogie: No, no graphs, but loading the kernel image into memory takes half as long (2.6M as opposed to 4+M) and without all the unnecessary checks, I'm at login noticably faster [15:18] btw if you are interested in benchmarking the system from the begging on out look into bootchart. here is my laptop bootcharted [15:18] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootcharts/ [15:18] Old_Fogie, i can vouch for optimizing making the boot process a bit faster, in terms of trimming out what you know you don't need [15:18] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [15:18] for example, on a laptop, it makes no sense to build all the PCI sound cards except the one you have, all the AGP cards except the one you have, all the SATA/IDE cards except the one you have, etc [15:19] Hm,.. neutrino? Isn't that something about a dirty bomb? Some terrorist stuff? [15:19] much less to have them load automatically (i.e. <*> like generic-smp is already configured) [15:19] Action: lowkyalur punishes you by assigning you a udev-triggering task. [15:19] evo-: no that would be a neutron bomb [15:19] Hrmm.. I wonder what will happen if i mv slackware to custompacks ... will the installer find them.. [15:19] That's what I'm trying to do. Some things, though, I don't know enough about the hardware to *know* I don't need it. Those things I plan to keep stripping one at a time until it breaks. [15:19] we're talking what? for a 1.6 hyperthread pc? with (mine a gig of ram) ...what 3-4 seconds? TwinReverb I agree preempt, and 300hz, but other than that, errr it's a waste of time the hours he's sounding like spending. [15:19] ah, ok. only wanted to make a lame joke [15:19] Old_Fogie, until/unless you have to update the kernel anyways [15:20] in which case if you're taking time to build, you might as well take time to configure [15:20] bootcharting can help [15:20] i'll spam my example again [15:20] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootcharts/ [15:20] This way I'll have a good config so next release I can just make new [15:20] not if he doesnt know what he's doin [15:20] a neutron bomb isnt dirty [15:21] much less it still makes no sense to keep every @#$ing ide/sata/agp/pci sound card as <*> like in generic-smp. that makes them load but then do nothing because they're not utilized (unless the kernel is good about unloading them after boot, which i doubt, considering my config uses half the ram that generic-smp does right after boot) [15:21] Best way to learn, though, is to learn from one's own mistakes. [15:21] MrHales: get fontconfig, and gtk icons crap out of startup, that *is* the biggest factor [15:21] hey Old_Fogie :) [15:21] TwinReverb: save what? 3-5 seconds? :D [15:21] if taht [15:21] hi pprkut [15:21] how's that new pooter pprkut ? [15:21] ICE ICE BABY TOO COLD [15:21] Oops wrong window [15:21] O_o [15:22] hahaah [15:22] although i will suggest that the font thing is important also, in agreement with Old_Fogie. on my old laptop i set all (and i mean all) fonts to the Liberation family of just 3 fonts, and i noticed that less memory got used [15:22] Old_Fogie: great! I love it! [15:22] and i'm talking more about ram usage on boot anyways. when your kernel image is half the size, it takes half the time to be read from the drive, and half the memory [15:22] Old_Fogie: some software issues though :/ [15:22] on an intel atom machine, i can see why he wants to trim all the fat he can [15:22] TwinReverb: yeah the fc-cache, and gtk-icons and immodules out of rc.M (or is it 4) is huge saver I find for day to day. Just be sure to run them manually if updateing. :) [15:22] Old_Fogie: Thanks for the advice on fontconfig and gtk icons, I will look into that [15:22] if this were a core 2 duo though, i would not see why he'd care [15:23] this is an atom [15:23] DeeeeP (i=0@bl11-182-152.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:23] pprkut: I hate working out the kinks. [15:23] speaking of new pooters, you guys saw this http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/02/touch-book-from-always-innovating-harbors-removable-tablet-netb/ [15:23] MrHales: I have 10 intel atoms :) [15:23] hell i've seen mandriva's kernel load fast on a core 2 duo 2ghz machine so there's probably nothing much gained in kernel optimizing on such a machine [15:23] I just keep hugesmp on my desktop, as I purchased the ol' girl way back in my Windoze days and have no idea what's in it. [15:23] MrHales: suspend and hibernate are flawless for me fwiw [15:24] MrHales, keep hugesmp as an entry in lilo.conf and call it "FailSafe" or something [15:24] TwinReverb: very true [15:24] Every time I've tried to build a custom kernel,on it, it's gone bad... well, not every time, but the one's that work are the ones with which I am more than generous [15:24] I am, for now [15:24] then follow our recommendations [15:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [15:24] With that exact name [15:25] I find the atom's just incredible (with huge and preempt & 300 hz <-- cuz we use the webcam). just love em' [15:25] now granted i'm one of those guys that reads the chipset spec sheet to know what to include in my kernels, but ... :D [15:25] one of best purchases we made in a while. [15:25] Like I said, my desktop system is old and the specs are not available to me. [15:25] MrHales, actually, i disagree. if it is old, the specs should be more available, not less available. what brand and model is this laptop? [15:26] MrHales: yes I have antiques here too, it's always "fun" to put it kindly [15:26] New Zealands is only 18 hours from New York [15:26] MrHales: if you got antiques, use Slack 11 w/2.4 kernel...*way* faster. [15:26] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-6.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] It was a custom build, Asus motherboard (model unknown), dual core P4 [15:26] but don't bother with an older slackware version unless patrick keeps up on the patches [15:27] .. 4? [15:27] pentium 4? huh? you said it was an intel atom didn't you? [15:27] Old_Fogie: oh, I love it :D [15:27] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] The Eee PC has an atom [15:27] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [15:28] my friend got an acer aspire one with an intel atom, we put mandriva on it using a bootable USB stick. it actually ran faster than my old laptop with similar specs. i was amazed. if i ever get some extra money i might get one of those things. [15:28] My desktop system has dual core 2.6GHz [15:29] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:29] TwinReverb: that's what we have the Acer's aspire one's. there very fast. vga out works great too, walk up to a monitor and keyboard, plug em in, and *boom* got a fast desktop pc. [15:29] i'm envious. my onboard intel graphics won't let me just plug in. nope. gotta reboot. [15:29] I don't like initrd's, generally why I would rebuild the kernel (was using reiser on / at the time; experimenting) [15:30] only thing for hibernate to work was adjusting lilo on 12.2 that's it, I was impressed. [15:30] MrHales: I'd recommend jfs (less cpu cycles) than reiser. [15:30] TwinReverb: really? even using xrandr? [15:30] I switched to ext3 [15:30] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] thrice`, never tried that, so i'll have to get back with you, sorry [15:31] That whole "fast and stable" sticks in my brain. [15:31] MrHales: I'd recommend ext3 but who wants to be out on the road, and then boot up, and it want to run fsck and you gotta wait forever to login [15:31] I did ext2 on the Eee PC [15:31] ext3 desktop [15:31] I had heaps of problems with jfs [15:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [15:32] slackytude: with stock slackware kernel it's possible, reiser too, many bug fixes in that kernel series since slack shipped [15:32] I've not had any issues with jfs here on my laptop :( [15:32] but jfs is my fav (other than ufs) [15:32] has anyone tried to make partitions on a usb flash drive? [15:32] While I've heard that the onboard ssd can certainly handle using swap, and journaling, etc. without fail for many years, I tend to keep things forever, so I'm not wanting to risk it [15:32] funny enough reiser worked always fine for me, though its supposed to be more flacky than jfs [15:32] pupit1, yes, works fine [15:33] xfs works fine for me, people get too caught up in what's faster than the other [15:33] MrHales: yea true. I bought the sata drive models, becuase of that. [15:33] TwinReverb: please, can u give me more info? some link? [15:33] xfs/jfs/reiserfs are about evenly matched overall in speed imho. [15:33] pupit1, use cfdisk [15:33] Well, I couldn't pass up extreme portability and surprising power for US$180 [15:33] TwinReverb: yea but xfs is horrible at delete. try and rm a kernel tree, it'll take forever. wish they'd fix that [15:34] MrHales: agreed on that. [15:34] when you insert the usb stick, don't mount it. "cat /proc/partitions" and find the drive, then use cfdisk as necessary. [15:34] Old_Fogie, because its a lot of files ? [15:34] TwinReverb: and if i plug it in the windows machine? wont mess it up? [15:34] I'm poor, one must understand, so cheaper = better as far as my budget is concerned [15:34] Old_Fogie, not really in my experience, compared to other FS. rm -Rf /usr/src/linux-2.6.28.6 still takes a lot of time regardless of FS [15:34] DeeeeP: I have no idea why, it takes 3-4 minutes to delete here, but with jfs i'ts like 30sec. [15:35] pupit1, depends on what you do to it [15:35] ok [15:35] TwinReverb: then you're a rarity :) [15:35] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:35] Old_Fogie, well xfs takes longer, but not much longer [15:35] TwinReverb: i wonder if it's cpu related [15:35] TwinReverb: on xp and vista? [15:35] v4nelle (n=van@adsl37-48.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] xfs is faster in other ways, so i was saying that in general the "big three" (now "big four" with the addition of ext4) are about evenly matched [15:35] TwinReverb: because I tested on an old box, so maybe since it's a low hz cpu that's the deciding factor. I dont know, but it's unusable here [15:35] Old_Fogie, and yeah it could've been, on my old machine, cpu related (reiserfs) [15:36] isn't xfs sposed to be better for large files? [15:36] it's probably quicker at that [15:36] pupit1, i once deleted the partition on my USB stick, added one, then made it NTFS. it works on mac and linux and windows [15:36] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [15:36] pupit1, but if you format it XFS or something like that, something windows can't read, it won't work on windows [15:36] ntfs-3g works great , i use it too [15:36] dive, yes. [15:36] ntfs-3g rocks [15:36] dive: yea many mythtv users recommend xfs for the big files [15:37] yep , same here , TwinReverb [15:37] TwinReverb: thanks, appreciate your help! [15:37] i just had a problem with unclean filesystems , bitchy to recover on linux [15:37] i think it's optimised for that, but working on 100s of small files not so good [15:38] TwinReverb, did u have already this problem ? [15:38] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:38] dive: on my test box it took me forever to delete a kernel tree, and I susupect it's that 'small files' or cpu related, but it's a nogo for me for sure [15:38] the current concensus: xfs for large file storage, reiserfs for small file storage, jfs if you need to save cpu cycles [15:38] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Old_Fogie, right [15:38] ext3 for stability? [15:39] and better support [15:39] it _is_ a pain though when fsck kicks in on boot, but you _can_ change the parameters for that [15:40] I used ext3 for a short while, and the whole booting up and fsck turned me off right away. So I found jfs early on, been there since. [15:40] moseph (n=paul@adsl-83-100-162-184.karoo.KCOM.COM) joined ##slackware. [15:40] is ext4 supposed to be faster with the fsck thing? [15:40] they really need a pause and ask if it's ok to run or something...cuz if you got big drives, you will be there for a long long time. [15:40] Old_Fogie, on a laptop you can always hibernate instead of shutdown = no fsck ;) [15:41] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] I got one box that's 250 gig drives in there, all full, 4 of em...and when they were ext3 it took almost 3 hours to run. Tht's just nuts. [15:41] ouch [15:41] I always hibernate now [15:41] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [15:41] except for rebuilding kernel etc [15:42] I do for the netbooks, but not the desktops. The desktops I do standby on for most of them. [15:42] SaEeDIRHA (n=chatzill@78-105-170-115.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:42] hello, how can i share a printer from my linux server to other Windows machines ? i used samba , but what ever i do it gives me an error message "access denied" [15:42] however the permissions must be right , because i have access to samba shared files [15:42] anyone can give me some hints ? [15:43] moseph (n=paul@adsl-83-100-162-184.karoo.KCOM.COM) left irc: Client Quit [15:43] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [15:43] SaEeDIRHA, ipp under cups works great [15:43] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:43] is it possible to share printer using Cups? [15:43] yes [15:43] cuz i never done it [15:44] SaEeDIRHA, if you want to use samba can you pastebin your conf? [15:44] sure [15:44] ~pastebin [15:44] SaEeDIRHA, yes you can share with cups [15:44] ~pastbin [15:44] ? [15:45] what is pastebin in this channel? [15:45] any will do [15:45] pastebin is a website where u post configuration , instead of just flooding the channel with text [15:45] no pastebin nazis here [15:45] go to www.pastebin.ca or rafb.net [15:45] someone has a slack one but I don't remember the addy [15:46] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:46] pastebin.slackadelic.com [15:46] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [15:46] ok: http://www.pastebin.ca/1352187 [15:47] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] do you have any idea why it gives me access denied ? because by this security level i have full access over my shared files [15:51] SaEeDIRHA, does /var/spool/lpd/lp exists on your slackware ? [15:51] aaaah [15:51] :D [15:51] don't think you should have 2 [printers] sections either - one is set to read only [15:51] no it doesnt , does it have to be a path to my printer mounted file ? [15:52] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-162-196-84.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] which probably means both are ro [15:52] you can start by creating that dir , and give samba privileges , i think [15:52] this path "/dev/usb/lp0" ? [15:52] no , /var/spool/lpd/lp [15:52] as config says [15:53] well i copy that config file from internet [15:53] i dont have that folder [15:53] SaEeDIRHA, use Swat to set up samba [15:54] or just share it trought cups [15:54] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-101-221.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:54] how can i share it through CUPS ? [15:54] then on windows , network printer , ipp://linux_up/some_dir/ [15:54] go to cups admin on port 631 and configure it [15:55] ok [15:55] let me try brb [15:55] might need postscript printer driver then, afaik [15:55] Ether_Man (n=user@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [15:55] not sure if you can do raw with ipp [15:55] dont know that too [15:56] for most printers, this wouldnt be a problem tho [15:56] umm , i have the driver in my windows machine [15:56] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [15:56] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:56] because installing this printer on slackware was really pain [15:56] SaEeDIRHA, windows drivers usually dont do ps style printing [15:56] my printer is HP LaserJet P1005 [15:57] that should work without major trouble [15:57] SaEeDIRHA, if u find tough to get ipp URL , just point your mouse on the printer icon , and it will show full link on bottom of firefox [15:57] not sure why you wouldhave problems with that on slack. hp stuff is usually easy to do [15:58] most of the hp printers yes, but not mine :( i used third-party drivers, because i couldnt install it with hplip [15:58] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-137.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:59] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:59] hplip is usally a big pita. straight cups is better in my experience. yours may vary, of course [16:01] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.65.151) joined ##slackware. [16:02] how can i define the shared printer in windows [16:02] there isnt any option for CUPS [16:02] SaEeDIRHA, already told you .. .add network printer, ipp protocol , then paste full URL that u grab on cups [16:02] ok [16:02] brb [16:04] there isnt any option for ipp protocol mate :( [16:04] this is how dependency tracking feels http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1236107051531.jpg [16:05] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [16:05] SaEeDIRHA, last time i tryed , it gave that choice [16:05] Ether_Man (n=user@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] seems it doesnt have it anymore [16:06] :( [16:06] as far as i remember , i add a network printer, then gave me some protocols to choose from ( http ; ipp ) [16:06] i tryed with XP sp3 [16:06] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [16:06] MrHales (i=0c18ef91@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa1652c8fba13610) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [16:06] tried :P [16:06] SaEeDIRHA, vista or xp ? [16:06] try to add a local printer and then select network printer [16:06] XP sp3 [16:06] thanks toor :) [16:06] ok [16:06] :D [16:07] MrHales (i=0c18ef91@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6d13f425ed719ada) joined ##slackware. [16:07] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [16:07] great MrHales uses mibbit [16:07] lets point at him and laugh :P [16:08] brb [16:08] *snigger* [16:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [16:08] Currently. I'm using my buddy's laptop while finishing up some software installations. Not wanting to bother with Pidgin on it [16:09] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] SaEeDIRHA, which protocols does xp sp3 says it understands? [16:10] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.233.21) left irc: "Saindo" [16:10] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [16:10] freenode is so silly [16:10] wb, nullboy [16:10] block Tor but allow mibbit... [16:10] gg [16:10] nullboy, yeah I know :/ [16:10] banned! [16:10] Netbios, only windows style network printing [16:11] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A75017.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] SaEeDIRHA, wtf? that's just dumb... [16:11] i think i have to install some new protocols , please w8 [16:11] yeah might help [16:11] hehehe. Hey, I only found mibbit the other day when I needed some help here and I had only a browser to work iwth [16:11] with, even [16:11] SaEeDIRHA, whats the problem? [16:11] SaEeDIRHA, dont u have something like -> "Connect to a printer on the Internet..." [16:11] on that , u can use http protocol [16:12] DeeeeP, is he doesn't have the protocols installed then he won't [16:12] DeeeeP: yes i do, i tried it , but didnt work [16:12] didnt work ? [16:12] http or ipp ? [16:12] did u already shared the printer in cups , in order to grab the full URL ? [16:12] I can sorta understand the Tor thing, though... people have used it to abuse freely [16:12] install & share [16:13] DeeeeP, read up mate - he only has netbios protocol installed ;) [16:13] ok ok [16:13] is that XP home? [16:13] yeah wtf [16:13] which should be netbui really? [16:13] oh god [16:14] don't use netbui [16:14] best to avoid it :) [16:15] If you press enter on a slackware install option and nothing happens (no matter what option) what could be wrong? [16:15] netbui is netbios , right [16:15] I watched the same guy rejoin the same channel some thirty times before the joke finally got old for him. Like all forms of freedom, Tor lends itself to good guys and bad guys, alike. Freedom is there to be abused, you know? [16:15] netbios was the forerunner of netbui [16:15] It just reloads the main slackware installer screen - in a loop everytime i press enter, even exit does not work heh only cancel [16:15] netbui is sposed to be more secure [16:16] HAHAHAHA [16:16] umm [16:16] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.65.151) left irc: "bbl" [16:16] but they were made with local 'safe' networks in mind, not the interwebs [16:16] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [16:17] netbui was the biggest mess ever [16:17] have you ever packet dumped a segment running netbui? [16:17] what do you expect? [16:17] it's fscking crazy [16:17] iirc MS just took netbios and added on a load of stuff [16:17] then renamed it [16:18] but no I wouldn't like to look at it [16:18] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-167-118-175.range86-167.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:19] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [16:20] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Thurin1, I'm thinking about keyboard layouts - did you choose one? (although enter should be the same in all) [16:21] Ether_Man (n=user@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [16:21] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host150-80-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:22] Karu (n=alch@77-233-86-180.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:22] s/added/hacked [16:23] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:24] still even when i share it with cups , i cannot get the correct URL [16:24] I was always amused by allowing one port open in Win2k port filter applet and having to reboot [16:24] g'day [16:24] i am trying to share this printer since 7 hours ago :( [16:24] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [16:24] SaEeDIRHA, tell me, on windows, are all user names all lower case? [16:24] the uri from cups is : "usb://HP/LaserJet%20P1005 " [16:25] no [16:25] SaEeDIRHA, err that's not it - it should not be usb:// anything [16:25] well damn - the ryerspon mirror iskaput [16:25] er ryerson [16:25] SaEeDIRHA, share options somewhere , then point your mouse on the printer icon , and will give you full URL on bottom of firefox [16:25] what should it be then ? [16:25] we're down to ONE Canadian mirror? [16:25] :( [16:26] wha? [16:26] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A75017.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:26] the Ryerson ftp and http mirrors are gone [16:27] that just leaves Sherbrooke [16:27] DeeeeP: i cannot find share options but when i move my mouse on printer icon it shows me this url: "https://10.10.10.10:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005" [16:27] we lost mirror.org in uk too [16:28] SaEeDIRHA, try puttinh that in windows then [16:28] and sherbrooke doesn't keep all the iso's either [16:28] and why is it https? [16:28] i did , and when i share that in windows it askes me for a driver , and when i select correct driver , and try to print some page , it just give me ERROR [16:29] SaEeDIRHA, you don't share in windows [16:29] because the link that i got from printer icon is https [16:29] you just find the printer [16:29] hmm [16:29] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [16:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:30] when i tired to find the printer in my domain , it finds the printer which has been shared by samba , but when i share that, it works ok, but when i want to print something , it gives me an error message says "Access Denied" :( [16:31] i am using google and trying to find a solution since 7 hours ago [16:31] but still :( [16:31] SaEeDIRHA, all user names must be lower case to work with linux [16:31] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:32] TwinReverb: even when i add them to smbpasswd ? [16:32] because i can easily use my share files without anyproblem [16:32] SaEeDIRHA, try removing that first [printer] section from the samba conf and restarting samba [16:33] ok [16:33] you have twp [16:33] two [16:33] SaEeDIRHA, u should have the option in windows to paste that URL [16:33] SaEeDIRHA, someting about "connect printer to the internet" option [16:34] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [16:34] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [16:34] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] SaEeDIRHA, and you still have the /var/spool/blabla problem [16:35] DeeeP: yes i have and i used the URL i told you in that option [16:35] what is the Path? [16:35] does it need to refer to the device location ? [16:35] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:36] because my printer device location is : "/dev/usb/lp0" [16:37] no no need to tell windows /dev/usb... [16:37] u just need to tell windows the http URL [16:37] sometimes krdc abruptly ends, I assume it is crashing. rdesktop never did that. [16:37] SaEeDIRHA, read this > http://www.digitalissues.co.uk/html/os/ms/ipp.html#15 [16:37] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [16:38] SaEeDIRHA, in cups on printers page it should say 'device URI:bl bla' [16:38] try putting that in windows [16:38] Ether_Man (n=user@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] its bitchy to find URL [16:38] i took more than 30 mins to see it [16:39] there's no clean info there about the URL that cups is serving that printer [16:39] but there's a printer icon , and when u hoover your mouse trought there , is shows full url on bottom of firefox [16:40] well in mine it says like 'Device URI: lpd://10.0.0.10:LP1' or some such [16:40] under printer [16:40] and ipp or http url ? [16:40] uva (i=bono@118-160-162-39.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] that is what it says in mine "Device URI: usb://HP/LaserJet%20P1005 " [16:40] shows http url when you hover mouse [16:40] right [16:41] mine is https when i move my mouse [16:41] :( [16:41] try that url [16:41] read this > http://www.digitalissues.co.uk/html/os/ms/ipp.html#15 [16:41] this will help you add http on windows [16:42] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [16:42] i00nsu_ (n=i00nsu@85.138.134.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] i found very easy to set up cups on windows , i really recommend you explore some more [16:44] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-202173.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:45] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] when i use this url "http://10.10.10.10:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005" it askes me for driver [16:48] and when i chose the driver i can add my printer , but when i print something it gives me an ERROR [16:48] just in printing status it shows ERROR with no message [16:49] did u do that "add port" on windows printer config ? [16:49] what port? [16:49] http://10.10.10.10:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005 [16:49] this url got the port on url itself [16:49] that's URL that cups gave you [16:49] 631 [16:50] now on windows [16:50] ok let me try [16:50] u can install it as local printer, then go to printer config and add port there , LPT1 goes now to http port that u add [16:50] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-002-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] when i click configure port , now i can chose username and password , the default was on anonymous [16:52] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] hmm [16:55] :( [16:55] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [16:56] it think it is better idea if i focus on Samba , to make it run under samba [16:56] i like it when i am stuck :) i learn new stuff :D [16:57] heh... when i set up whole disk encryption for my laptop, i learned _so much_ in just 24h [16:57] ok SaEeDIRHA [16:58] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.65.151) joined ##slackware. [16:58] bono (i=bono@118-160-162-68.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:00] i am off now, havent eat anything yet :) speak to you soon gents , and thank you for your time and help [17:00] SaEeDIRHA, wait [17:01] ok [17:01] SaEeDIRHA, there's a button that says "Allowed Users For" on cups [17:01] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] cups.conf? [17:01] no wait [17:01] on admin panel , click printers [17:02] ok [17:02] then go to righ side there's a botton called "set Allow users" [17:02] add printers? [17:02] no [17:02] ON CUPS [17:02] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:03] yeah, i am on CUPS url now, but on admin panel there isnt printers option, only "add printer, find new printers,manage printers" [17:03] not Administration tab , Printers TAB ! [17:04] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:04] oh, ok [17:04] u need alot of help ... i think you should be starting paying me :^) [17:04] lol :-) [17:05] maybe one day i can help you with something you need [17:05] ok , lets wait then :D [17:05] *crap , no money* [17:05] :D [17:05] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.24.54) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] :D [17:06] ;) [17:06] found it ? [17:06] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [17:06] yeah ,i am there mate [17:06] what user u have on system ? [17:06] that u can add there ? [17:07] the user is : "saeed" [17:07] write that user , click "Allow these users to print" ; click Set allowed users [17:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [17:07] ok [17:08] does anybody here use ushare? [17:08] u could create a system user just for printing , setting /etc/password to /bin/false [17:09] ok [17:10] still error [17:10] :( [17:11] added user / pass on windows , and also the full URL [17:11] on "add port" config [17:12] but even when i change the port config in windows and set it to root it still doesnt work [17:12] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:12] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [17:12] root is not on allowed list [17:12] and u shouldnt use root [17:13] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:13] yeah , i just wanted to test, but when i see the list of jobs that has been completed by printer , the user is root [17:14] do u want me to pastebin the cups.conf file? [17:14] hmm , nope [17:14] i dont know much of that config [17:14] yeah, and it is very long [17:14] :( [17:14] when i did it , i just used the cups web admin [17:15] and it worked [17:15] wait [17:15] did u click [17:15] on administration Tab [17:15] i can print locally using cups ,but not when i share it with windows [17:15] Show printers shared by other systems [17:15] Share published printers connected to this system [17:15] Allow printing from the Internet [17:15] yes [17:16] ok [17:16] u can try and do the same , but choosing ipp protocol instead of http , on cups config [17:17] SaEeDIRHA, where do u have that user "saeed" ? [17:18] how can i alias users in samba ? cuz i remember i did it before [17:18] in both windows and Linux [17:18] ok [17:20] however, it seems that you can print RAW using cups as well, read the last section in this url: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/sharing_with_windows.html [17:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:22] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [17:26] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.119.174) joined ##slackware. [17:26] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-101-221.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:28] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:29] ok , thankx for now gents, i will come back shortly [17:30] SaEeDIRHA (n=chatzill@78-105-170-115.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]" [17:30] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-202173.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still, the whol [17:31] any reason (other than the obvious) to keep the contents of /usr/doc on a netbook? [17:31] Not really. [17:32] (OMG jkwood is EVERYWHAR) [17:32] PHEAR [17:33] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:33] Action: MrHales hides. [17:33] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:36] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [17:37] nullboy (n=nullboy@97-94-110-129.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:41] http://imagebin.org/39998 [17:41] :) [17:42] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:43] veeery nice :D [17:43] i might wanna put that up in my room... [17:44] i dont know where it came from or who made it but it works [17:45] gotta love the star trek inspirationals, too [17:45] http://www.billionswithzeroknowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/WindowsLiveWriter/CorporateandCommunityLeadership_A1D/insp_captkirk[5].jpg [17:46] I saw one of those with a nativity scene on it: "Abstinence: 99.99% effective" [17:46] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-217-158-154.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:46] lmao! [17:47] Capt Kirk is still cool after all these years [17:48] Okay, so I've got a solid new kernel on my Eee PC, everything seems to be working... now, will removepkg /var/log/packages/kernel* tear up anything bad if I remove the symlink at /usr/src/linux? [17:49] tntslack (n=will@adsl33-25.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:49] I'm using 2.6.28.7 to replace 2.6.27.7 [17:49] josemanuel (n=josemanu@152.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:49] test [17:49] maybe if you symlink it to / [17:49] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:50] MrHales: you might not want to run removepkg on that kernel entry [17:50] MrHales: DON'T [17:50] Okay, I won't. [17:50] never remove kernel-headers, and don't upgrade it unless you upgrade gcc [17:50] all the other kernel packages are safe to remove, but _not_ kernel-headers [17:50] s/gcc/glibc/ <-- and don't do that. [17:50] right [17:51] I can safely delete /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7, though, yes? [17:51] if the old kernel is still installed it does not take up hardly any disk space (2 megs for the image and another 8 or 10 for the modules) not like it is a disk space hog [17:51] if it's not the kernel you're running, then yes [17:52] Ether_Man (n=user@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:52] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:52] not just the kernel, it's whole source tree, Pig_Pen [17:53] 332M in /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7 [17:53] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:54] you'd need to keep the kernel sources for any kernel you might want to build modules for [17:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:54] MrHales: are you using 2.6.27.7 anymore? [17:55] The new kernel seems to be working out great. I'm sure I could tweak it further... [17:55] nullboy: nope, one minor up [17:55] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [17:55] MrHales: keep the stock kernel headers package but you can remove the source tree [17:55] No, not minor... major.minor.?.patchlevel [17:55] the 2. is not the major [17:55] it's like... aeon. cycle. age. [17:55] oh. [17:56] Well, 2.6.28.7, anyway... just tired of typing it. :-) [17:57] I'm beginning to run out of space on the 4G built in ssd and I need to free some up. [17:58] if youve been building packages, you could clean stuff out of /tmp [17:58] I'll do that, too. [17:59] okay, so i can remove kernel-huge-smp-blahblah kernel-modules-smp-blahblahb, kernel-source-blah packages safely, yes? [17:59] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-162-196-84.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:01] should be fine [18:01] Good. What about kernel-firmware? Same? [18:01] don't remove that [18:01] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] okay. [18:02] unless you want to track down firmware yourself for kernel [18:02] One ass-u-me's that the 2.6.27.7 firmware package will work with a 2.6.28.7 kernel, in that case. Yes? [18:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] the firmwares don't typically change, the way they are used by the kernel is usually what changes [18:04] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A75017.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] i dont think i ever needed firmare knowingly [18:04] Cool. Thanks guys. You're my heroes. [18:04] qlogic fiber channel cards need it [18:04] intel wireless needs firmware too [18:04] kernel compiling is the royal discipline of linux geeks :D [18:05] Linux neutrino 2.6.28.7-RAS #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Feb 20 18:36:08 PST 2009 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [18:05] are there any upnp servers for slackware? [18:05] hmm I wonder what mine says [18:05] os[Linux 2.6.27.7-custom - ] up[ 5 days, 20 hours, 23 minutes] cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.80GHz, 600.000 MHz (1196.11 bogomips)] mem[ 344.75/498.45 MB (69.2%)] video[ at ( bits)] [18:06] uname fest!! [18:06] Linux phobos 2.6.27.19-mb7 #7 Tue Mar 3 00:26:37 CET 2009 i686 Mobile Pentium II GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [18:06] either part of the distro or as a slackbuild [18:06] I have no video [18:07] wow I'm using 344 MB of 512 ram [18:07] in console [18:07] but I have run X so I guess it remembers [18:07] Linux slack2 2.6.28.7eeepc #5 SMP Tue Mar 3 15:05:25 CST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.6GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [18:08] Man-erg (n=meck@93.40.100.204) joined ##slackware. [18:08] no preempt on a eee? [18:08] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:08] I went for voluntary preemption [18:08] I figured the kernel knows better than I when a good break point is. [18:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:09] Sides, with zero seek time, I figure it'll be pretty snappy anyway [18:10] 2.6.27.7- i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [18:10] For the life of me, can't remember what the option is, but I went for the fastest on that one (1000) [18:10] some timer thing [18:10] Yeah. [18:11] try setting tickless too [18:11] I did, actually [18:11] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-167-118-175.range86-167.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:11] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:11] Action: MrHales feels all tough now cuz he did something right without asking anyone first. [18:12] Action: MrHales flexes his muscles. His fingers bulge, only muscles he has. [18:12] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:12] but unfortunately there are actually _no_ muscles in the fingers [18:12] I sometimes think that if I could get my eyes and brain in a jar with my hands attached so I could draw and type, that I could live, perfectly happy, forever. [18:13] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.90.90.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:13] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.24.54) joined ##slackware. [18:13] I sometimes think if I stayed sober I wouldn't type stuff [18:13] You know, I think that's true, but after spending a couple hours ripping out a plaster and lath ceiling, my fingers were sore. [18:13] Just on the sides, where one would think abductors would be. [18:14] uh? [18:14] the muscles that close the joint, basically [18:14] I haven't studied anatomy in ages. [18:14] adductors, abductors. [18:14] look in the forearm [18:15] you have only tendons in the fingers [18:15] One set opens the joint, like straightening a leg, the other set close the joint. [18:15] I might have those reversed. [18:16] I know hand strength comes from the forearm, just hard to grasp how the tendons are wired up to enable what amounts to 360 degree revolution [18:16] martin_ (n=chatzill@a40-prg1-2-177.static.adsl.vol.cz) joined ##slackware. [18:16] like making a circle with a finger without moving the hand [18:17] Again, haven't studied anatomy since... like '93? [18:17] Nick change: nix_chix0r -> cow_chix0r [18:17] mind over matter [18:17] you can move your fingers 360 degrees? [18:17] And I've learned too much since then. Some things inevitably get overridden [18:18] You know, like point at something then, without moving wrist or hand, draw a circle in the air [18:18] or arm [18:18] well I think less significant things get dropped, or at least dulled down [18:18] hello, having installed 12.2 on my new thinkpad i found out that the usual 2 cd install doesn't include kde anymore. I am downloading the 3. iso now. Should i make a fresh install? [18:19] My primary interest in musculature was artistic, anyway. [18:19] in the case of knowledge [18:19] MrHales, mine too - you paint? [18:19] Hard to draw big, bulgy superhero muscles if you don't know what they're really supposed to look like. [18:19] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:19] or is it ok to install the kde packages after installation [18:19] I've dabbled in oils, acrylics and watercolors [18:19] same :-) [18:19] I, generally, sketch. Pencil, pen and ink [18:19] + pen and ink [18:20] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:20] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] i paint in python and sometimes c [18:21] is it bee arr tee FS or butter FS? [18:21] I haven't painted for a long time though - into creative writing atm [18:21] oh well, i'll try installing it and see what it makes...don't feel like starting again [18:21] maxote (n=maxote@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] sorry to disturb the artistic conversation ;) [18:22] martin_: you can install the kde stuff whenever [18:22] @nullboy thanks! [18:22] Me, too, actually. I'm on hold til I get this laptop done (which I think it is, actually) because I've been online with it the whole time and its working fine. Soundcard works, video is up to spec... [18:23] dive: Working on a novel I plan to finish, unlike the seven or so that still have interesting starts. [18:23] i am looking forward to try 12.2, the newest i have on other machines 12.0 [18:24] 12.2 is just more of the same: Awesome. [18:24] :) [18:24] MrHales, I just got interested in poetry - started out wanting to write sci-fi but I find poetry more direct [18:24] same here, have 12.2 on my server already, setting it up on the laptop atm [18:24] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [18:24] main machine soon to follow [18:25] If you like poetry, you should check out my buddy's book. [18:25] heya alienBOB... been having trouble compiling truecrypt [18:25] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.205) joined ##slackware. [18:25] http://www.amazon.com/Stantasyland-Poetic-Stanley-Victor-Paskavich/dp/1424174457 [18:25] ok [18:26] mtu: no time.. [18:26] He also has a section on poetry-poem.com, under Stantasyland [18:26] alienBOB: gotcha [18:27] GArik_ (n=wesnoth@mpd-1742.tvcom.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [18:27] DeeeeP (i=0@bl11-182-152.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:28] Action: mtu is excited about his railroad trip to bosnia next week [18:30] josemanuel (n=josemanu@152.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:32] Rail to Bosnia? Where are you now? [18:32] northern germany [18:32] 25h by train [18:32] Cool. [18:32] traversing germany, austria, slovenia, croatia, bosnia [18:33] A couple buddies of mine hitched across Europe a couple years back... [18:33] Helluva honeymoon [18:33] sounds dangerous [18:33] i bet :D [18:34] When my son is old enough to join me (only 8 now), we're going to walk to Providence, RI. [18:34] how long a trip is that [18:34] Something I wanted to do many a moon ago, but then had a family. [18:34] Illinois to RI... dunno.. [18:35] thats a long walk, you're going to wear your shoes out [18:35] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011912]" [18:36] 1018 miles [18:36] according to mapquest [18:36] And we're going to hobo it, in homage to my great grandfather. Take basically nothing, camp out. Do day labor for cash. [18:39] sounds lovely [18:39] is camping anywhere legal in the US? [18:39] i know "wild camping" can be an offense in .de [18:39] lessee, at average human walking speed of three miles an hour... if we walk 8 hours a day, take a month and a half [18:39] Camping is totally legal anywhere you don't get caught. [18:39] :-) [18:39] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:39] heh [18:40] http://pastebin.com/m665623b2 these are just awful! DANGER! mature audiences only! [18:41] what is it with those adult jokes on pastebin lately [18:42] mtu: in the US you can camp anywhere you want on land management land aka BLM areas [18:42] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4558480.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "ta leme" [18:42] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:42] depends on the area but usually the limit is 15 days at the same site. then you have to move [18:42] anyone else get a error opening this with kpdf ? http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/PDF/C-42.pdf (478KB) [18:43] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] cow_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:44] martin_ (n=chatzill@a40-prg1-2-177.static.adsl.vol.cz) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [18:44] I couldn't see spending more than a night in any one place on this trip. [18:44] tank-man: opens fine here with kpdf [18:45] youre gonna want some reall good shoes [18:45] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:45] with kde 3.5 from slack 12.2 ? [18:46] yep [18:46] ok i guess i have to convert it to txt or html [18:47] Well, yeah, but I have about a decade to prepare, mtu. [18:47] :) [18:47] using google maps to plan day by day ;) [18:48] Actually, might leave the wires at home and take only a camera [18:48] Course, in ten years, I'll probably just be able to teleport there. [18:49] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] same for my trip to bosnia... no lappie, just an oldish digicam. i'd rather travel knowing that nothing much could break if my backpack was dropped or thrown [18:49] Although, taking along a small netbook might be fun. Blog the trip, or something [18:49] i might blog from intetnet cafes, i imagine theyre not in short supply in a city like sarajevo [18:50] There you go. [18:50] Or get one of those annoying phones. [18:50] have a smartish phone ;) but i'd rather leave that behind for inventory robustness, too [18:50] hashed_ (n=hashed_@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:51] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) left ##slackware (".. Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe..."). [18:51] also, i'd probably pay my ass off if i tried to call anyone form my cell from bosnia haha [18:52] tribeca (n=naitso@host178-240-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [18:52] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [18:53] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] I dunno if archives can be found online (and I haven't checked) but there's a great little mag called The Backwoodsman full of astoundingly interesting stuff. Very anti-tech. [18:53] heh nice [18:54] I read in one about something called a "fire plunger" [18:54] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.65.151) left irc: "cya" [18:54] Native American device used air compression to start fires. [18:54] Apparently the same basic premise of a diesel engine. [18:55] I should say "alternate-tech" rather than "anti" [18:57] skibur (i=1000@12.197.205.184) joined ##slackware. [18:58] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062184205.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left ##slackware. [18:58] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-58-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [19:04] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.18.16) joined ##slackware. [19:06] happy bday phrag :) [19:07] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:07] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:09] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-190-149.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:10] I have a ps2 mouse and like everyday the mouse seems to go crazy and then I get this in dmesg: psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 3 bytes away [19:10] I tried with two mouses almost the same model and they do the same [19:11] v4nelle (n=van@adsl37-48.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:12] v4nelle (n=van@adsl37-48.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] dissociative: probably your ps2 port is having too much noise/interference... [19:12] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [19:12] v4nelle (n=van@adsl37-48.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:13] is the computer correctly grounded? if yes... hey... you can always use a usb mouse [19:13] I think that this began to happen when I changed a SETUP option called "PCI1 MASTER 0 WS Write" to disabled [19:13] :) [19:13] too much tunning in the bios is dangerous [19:14] higuita: I think that it is [19:14] *grounded [19:14] try to reset the bios to the fail-safe and test the hardware... then if ok, reset to the optimal config [19:14] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:14] If I reenable it the computer becomes totally unstable [19:14] dissociative, they invented usb for a reason :) [19:18] okay. [19:20] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:20] Ether_Man (n=polx@h253n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[19:22] usually the speed gain from over tunning is too small to get worth the risk [19:22] but I cant afford resetting to defaults with my current hardware configuration etc [19:23] with most BIOSs you can reset single config pages [19:23] k3b in kde 4.2 [19:23] I was not tunning it for speed, I had to find a setup option which could bring to my system more stability and that was [19:25] rizitis (n=kvirc@athedsl-4558480.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:30] epaphus (n=JP@201.199.62.74) joined ##slackware. [19:30] superGear (n=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [19:31] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062184205.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:31] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) joined ##slackware. [19:31] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062184205.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left ##slackware. [19:33] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [19:34] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. 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[19:45] durr [19:45] hrhrhr [19:45] works fine now [19:46] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:46] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-208-111-237-227-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) left irc: "Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?" [19:47] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-422171.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:48] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:48] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [19:48] el_ermitanio (n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [19:50] epaphus (n=JP@201.199.62.74) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:51] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.18) left irc: [19:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:03] radi0head, I'm having a radiohead night [20:03] somehow i dont see him reading the book, installing slack and living happily ever after [20:03] but I seem to have lost my dvds [20:03] dive: You're better off without them. [20:03] nononono [20:03] remember sami__ jenkis [20:03] remember sami__ jenkis .... [20:04] antler: HEY, What's the first rule? [20:04] gotta have a system [20:05] system of a down [20:06] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [20:06] women and children first? [20:07] rizitis (n=kvirc@athedsl-4558480.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:07] no, you see sami__ jenkis didn't have a system [20:08] no method, just madness [20:08] "memento" --christopher nolan [20:08] not enough slack [20:09] need more slack [20:09] Today is Pungenday, the 63rd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 [20:09] right then [20:09] Celebrate next SubGenius holiday: March 08 The Feast of Weird Al Yankovic [20:10] dive: are you british by chance? [20:10] woot! [20:10] antler, I am that [20:10] jolly good, then. right. [20:10] Nick change: el_ermitanio -> maxote [20:10] sami__ (n=sami@90.148.41.60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:11] dive: i've noticed "right" preceding or following many of your comments when i happen to be on. :) [20:11] hmm I hadn't noticed [20:11] by casuality anyone has got working a lexmark z25 printer in slackware? [20:12] dissociative: lexmark anything is a gift from hell when it comes to linux. [20:12] antler, I think the youngsters of today use 'innit' [20:12] lol [20:12] I must have very bad luck then... [20:13] yah, had a lexmark printer for a while that i tried to get working, everybody told me to forget it [20:13] if cups don't support it... [20:13] well they are cheap pos's [20:13] dive: by default of course [20:13] dive: hehe [20:14] dive: the only way that I got to get the printer working in slackware was to use VirtualBox + Windows XP... [20:14] omg. [20:14] gad [20:14] that would be a pain [20:14] right [20:14] innit [20:14] lol [20:14] the cups driver are a pos [20:14] drivers* [20:14] jolly good, mate [20:14] dive: trying to pass yourself off as being younger or what? [20:15] let's all have a nice cup of tea and think about it [20:15] blimey, what is that chap saying? [20:15] lol [20:15] nah - you mean gor blimey mate, where ya bin [20:15] something has gone very wrong. [20:15] gor? as in gore? [20:15] yeah [20:15] wow [20:15] bloody :D [20:15] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.24.54) left irc: "Leaving" [20:15] ha [20:16] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] gwar [20:16] aye? [20:16] TClayton (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] well actaully gor is slang/old word for 'god' - gor blimey actaully means 'god blind me' [20:16] wow [20:16] like 'god blind me if it isn't so' [20:17] never would have guessed [20:17] really [20:17] "...and that is why we will always need an army. and if i am wrong, may GOD STRIKE ME DEAAAAAAAAAH..." [20:18] we will always need an army cos there's always some johnny foreigner murdering the english language [20:18] yes indeed [20:18] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) joined ##slackware. [20:19] i wanna know what love is, i want you to show me. oh, you said "johnny" foreigner [20:19] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. 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[20:23] dive, with the traffic on this channel, youre going to wear out your h e l and o keys [20:23] yeah I should say Hi [20:23] lol [20:24] dammit where did those radiohead dvds go... [20:24] lol [20:24] you are old. [20:24] got the music no vids [20:24] really so what do you listen to? [20:25] various types [20:25] lemme guess, dive : peter frampton? [20:25] I listen to classical more than anything else atm [20:25] and that's centuries old [20:25] but nothing older like acdc, radiohead, pinkfloyd, etc [20:25] so yes I am old [20:25] lol [20:25] dark side of the moon will always be a classic [20:26] so there innit [20:26] wish you were here is nice [20:26] the whole album... [20:26] yeah one of their better ones [20:26] Action: alkos333 loves rsnapshot :) [20:26] mmm. dark side... [20:26] Action: fluxnuk3r loves star wars.. [20:27] Action: dive prefers bladerunner [20:27] but ford is good [20:27] lol [20:28] god even that's old [20:28] like the matrix too [20:28] nah [20:28] except for the ending sucked. [20:28] well 1 was a good idea [20:28] nice idea for a plot, but as usual sequels lose the edge [20:28] 2 and 3 were dissappointments [20:28] as always [20:28] tru dat [20:29] star wars has done well though, with 1,2, and 3 [20:29] heh the idea arguably goes back a few thousand years [20:29] didnt know how to count though [20:29] oh, come on. episode 2 was shit in a can and 3 couldn't make up for it [20:29] lol [20:29] antler, yeah genesis was good but after that he book really went downhill lol [20:30] dive: lol [20:31] gonna go ZZzz [20:31] night folks! [20:31] nn [20:31] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-002-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lurc - the irc client with a name that doesn't mean anything." [20:36] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.114.150) joined ##slackware. [20:37] what [20:37] inni [20:37] t [20:37] lol [20:40] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: "leaving" [20:40] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [20:40] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [20:41] she_dyed (n=jazz@adsl-156-244-14.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "[BX] It's not TV. It's BitchX." [20:42] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.114.150) left irc: "Leaving" [20:42] Hey guys I have just installed a music package called last.fm - I run the application and it erros with: error while loading shared libraries: libfftw3f.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <-- what depenency is that ? [20:42] dusty_: fftw [20:42] It's on SBo [20:42] int203 (n=adam@c-67-160-160-16.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] thank you [20:43] dusty_: installed it from where? [20:43] anyone install slackware on a vmware fusion VM? [20:43] BP{k}, found it on google ? [20:43] NaCl, whats SBo? [20:43] http://slackbuilds.org [20:43] on ... google? [20:43] ah [20:43] dusty_: whole some goodness, that's what. ;) [20:43] "thank you" suggested that you understood :P [20:44] dusty_: what site did you get it from, exactly? [20:44] thumbs, 2 secs. [20:44] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/multimedia/last.fm/1.4.2.58240/last.fm-1.4.2.58240-i486-4hrk.txt [20:44] therwe [20:44] ah, slacky. [20:44] muh [20:45] how do i use slackbuilds? [20:45] thwe [20:45] dusty_: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [20:46] theres q howto [20:46] a [20:46] Yeah was just looking at that.. [20:46] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] dusty_: what part of that howto are you failing to grasp, exactly? [20:46] lol [20:46] juulia (i=jadeypk@41.236.13.213) joined ##slackware. [20:46] anyone use the linux amazon mp3 downloader? [20:46] I'm serious. [20:46] step -1 does that mean download the whole archive or what? [20:46] i don't get it [20:46] hehe [20:47] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] download the packagenamehere.tar.gz file [20:47] yeah [20:47] (once you've found the build from the search box on top) [20:47] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:47] i already got it [20:47] ok good. Go to step 2. [20:48] taquito (n=rich@cpe-76-168-152-22.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:48] so i need to untar it then look at the build script? [20:49] dusty_: just spend a few minutes reading the how-to [20:49] it's actually really easy [20:49] untar it, put the source in the sam folder, run the slackbuild [20:49] install package [20:49] done [20:49] ok [20:49] thanks guys [20:50] pray for divine influence. Send SBo people virgins, good beer and meat. [20:50] you might want to removepkg the slacky one first though [20:50] anyone experience installing slack onto a vmware fusion vm? [20:50] hey I sent 10 virgins only last week - they used them up all ready? [20:51] dive: yes, I did them all. ;) [20:51] rofl [20:51] hm, virgins might be difficult to find. veteran whores ok? [20:51] only the ones with really good teeth ;) [20:51] well that rules out the brits [20:51] only the ones with no teeth [20:51] int203 (n=adam@c-67-160-160-16.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:52] yay compiling :-] [20:52] antler, what? I still have 'some' teethe left [20:52] lol dive [20:52] not many though [20:54] Action: andarius attempts to shoot out the remaining teeth with peanuts [20:54] hold still :P [20:54] puchung [20:54] ouch [20:54] Action: dive throws a brick at andarius *bonk* [20:54] QWonder (n=QW@c-68-56-237-254.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Action: dive grabs spook's frozen eel canon [20:54] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [20:54] muhaha [20:55] Nick change: ryht|NiMD -> Yudha_HT [20:56] dive: are you actually in the uk right now? [20:56] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] yes why/ [20:57] just wondering [20:58] dive: antler thought you were a british out of water :D [20:58] haha [20:58] ./last.fm: error while loading shared libraries: libQtSql.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [20:58] I have another dependency issue, what would solve that one ? [20:58] =] [20:59] install that library [20:59] dive: i speak canadian english. i guess that's close enough :P [20:59] doesn't the readme list deps? [20:59] antler, works here [20:59] I can understand you [21:00] dusty_: qtsql? [21:00] dive: of course it does [21:00] o_capitao_cavern (n=t7DS@189.71.66.51) joined ##slackware. [21:00] hi all [21:00] dusty_: the README is *NOT* encrypted. [21:01] test34_ (n=test34@user-142g03g.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:01] qt4 [21:01] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:02] test34_ (n=test34@user-142g03g.cable.mindspring.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:02] MrHales (i=0c18ef91@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6d13f425ed719ada) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [21:02] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: [21:03] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.18.16) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [21:03] Ah, that's better. No more mibbit [21:03] yup [21:05] hmm Qt4.5 is released and it seems Webkit is integrated [21:07] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.205) left irc: "leaving" [21:09] BP{k}, The readme does not list the dependencies ? [21:10] thumbs, nope not qtsql [21:10] dusty_: it was a mere guess [21:10] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware. [21:10] last.fm requires QT4, which is also available at SlackBuilds.org. [21:11] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [21:11] oops. [21:11] there you go. [21:11] ah [21:11] return the spoon [21:11] but there is no spoon [21:11] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:12] quit the Matrix jokes [21:13] *it with [21:13] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:14] didnt dell used to offer a linux option? [21:14] Ubuntu, I think, yeah [21:14] What, they don't now? [21:14] do you really think those are jokes they are telling? [21:14] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.74.67) joined ##slackware. [21:14] all i see is windows for OS selection [21:14] I think they hide them. [21:14] I think they stopped doing linux [21:14] stitchman: look at low end laptops. [21:15] perhaps [21:15] no, they still offer it. [21:15] k [21:15] oh i had to look under "open source pc's" [21:15] dell still offers ubuntu but you really have to search for it on their site [21:15] its ubuntu they have [21:15] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7EA8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [21:16] Low-end laptops for a low-end OS? Is this the message they are sending? Or will only Linux run on the low-end because Vista is so bloated? [21:16] the in-laws need a new desktop [21:16] so... has anyone used the Amazon mp3 downloader in slackware? [21:16] do they offer blank drives too? [21:16] No blanks [21:16] pity [21:16] I called on that one, once upon a time [21:16] I know. [21:16] seems like they offer fedora/opensuse rpm files and ubuntu/debian .deb files [21:16] ...and it wont run in wine :( [21:17] I said, "Just give me the hardware." "It's against Dell policy to sell a computer without an operating system." [21:17] pfft all they offer is 3 laptops [21:17] Fenix-Dark, you *might* find rpm2tgz a fedora rpm might work but you would be better off getting source [21:17] I said I'd waive support, they still said no. [21:17] dive, they dont offer source [21:17] and rpm2tgz didnt work [21:17] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:18] QWonder (n=QW@c-68-56-237-254.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:18] you can order there computers with freedos though [21:18] their, rather [21:18] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] Fenix-Dark? No, Fenix-Dirk. No, you were christened Dirk Steel but changed your name.. [21:18] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:18] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:19] Mystery Men, what a great flick. [21:19] oh wait, they only offer 1 computer with freedos, man dell is a bastard [21:20] Go to your Friendly Local Computer Store. One near (relative a term as that may be) here will put together whatever you like (for a desktop, *shrug*) and give it any OS you like and a year service + build is 60 bucks on top of parts. [21:20] and their parts are very reasonable [21:21] Of course, laptops, those are different beasts.... [21:21] bbiab [21:21] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:22] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:26] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.15) joined ##slackware. [21:26] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:28] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:29] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Fenix-Dark, have you tried untar a .deb and just running the binary? [21:32] anyone knows if I can get rdesktop to get in VirtualBox running windows xp, not the rdp server of VirtualBox itself [21:33] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.15) left irc: "leaving" [21:36] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:37] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:37] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [21:37] dissociative: say that again in english please... [21:38] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] NyteOwl (i=nodezero@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [21:42] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-190-149.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:42] o_capitao_cavern (n=t7DS@189.71.66.51) left ##slackware. [21:42] What is the best way to go about checking out e17 under slackware 12.2 ? [21:43] juulia (i=jadeypk@41.236.13.213) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:43] Wouldn't even bother really.. probably going to have to build it yourself from source [21:43] there arent really a whole lot of binaries out for it [21:44] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/enlightenment/ [21:44] tntslack (n=will@adsl33-25.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] e16 was better imho [21:44] hrm.. [21:44] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [21:46] yeah, at least it was 'finished' :) [21:47] i just stick with awesome now anyway [21:50] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:54] zErOaCid (i=slacker@cpe-69-203-220-240.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[22:04] I think kde is taking over [22:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:05] it does that [22:05] fluxnuk3r: Have tried line: Mode "1280x1050" [22:05] But it just does what it want's to. [22:06] Have a 22" widescreen [22:06] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:06] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:06] cap: should be modes [22:08] fluxnuk3r: Yea, [22:08] Modes "1280x1050" [22:08] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:10] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [22:10] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:10] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] having trouble installing a video driver (nvidia) on 12.2 [22:11] slaxxin: define trouble [22:11] 5500fx [22:11] slaxxin: that's not an explanation. [22:11] i dont get the driver to install [22:11] ok [22:11] define don't get to install [22:12] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [22:12] slaxxin: what did you try, and what error did you get, exactly? [22:12] Same trouble I had, likely. Get the Slackbuild, slaxxin [22:12] login as root an run the nvidia installer an it says no [22:12] It won't build on 12.2 [22:12] I'm beginning to think that widescreens are not for slackware users. [22:12] i cant remember the error [22:12] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:13] Modes "1680x1050" does not work, has no effect. [22:13] I tried it every which way but loose, and the nvidia installer is just... bleh. Get the Slackbuild for it, it works. [22:13] 2 seperate machines [22:13] ok [22:13] blackhat (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [22:13] have to study up on slackbuilds how-to [22:13] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:13] slaxxin: read the howto on slackbuilds.org [22:13] slaxxin: it's easy as pie. [22:14] dramamamama (n=o@189-47-252-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:14] thanks [22:14] cap: Can't remember the website off hand, but there is a site that will generate mode lines for you. Give it your monitors specs, punch in desired resolution and whammo. Then toss that modeline in monitor section (i think) and add the res to screen section (I think) [22:14] hi! :) [22:17] Lemme see if I can find it again.. [22:18] http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl [22:18] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:19] taquito (n=rich@cpe-76-168-152-22.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:20] ken (n=user@38.119.107.114) joined ##slackware. [22:22] oh snap http://www.linux.com/welcome/ [22:23] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.119.174) left irc: "Leaving" [22:23] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:24] Nick change: blackhat -> Yudha_HT [22:27] dFunct (n=dFunct@adsl-147-135-239.sdf.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] tomorrow i get to clean up a mess that some IT poser created for someone else [22:28] he installed windows? [22:28] ? [22:28] he installed windows and even failed at doing that properly [22:28] haha [22:29] heh [22:30] i'm like wolf in pulp fixtion [22:30] fiction* [22:30] paissad (n=paissad@121.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] dramamamama (n=o@189-47-252-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "yikes! segmentation fault!" [22:30] i usually deal with problem created by other people who claim they are IT professionals but aren't [22:33] paissad (n=paissad@121.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] nullboy: I know the feeling. [22:35] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.65.151) joined ##slackware. [22:35] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:35] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: "leaving" [22:37] hmm, this is driving me nuts. does anybody happen to know how 'exit' function behaves inside () ? here's an actual example: [22:37] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [22:37] [ -f ${XM_CONFIG_DIR}/${SRC_DOMU} ] || ( echo -e "\n ERROR! - config file ${XM_CONFIG_DIR}/${SRC_DOMU} not found \n" ; exit 1 ) [22:38] now, that exit 1 doesn't result in stopping an entire script. why? if i have it outside of that statement, it works as expected [22:38] I know there's someway to do this, but just seems to be beyond me. How in the world can I get 1680x1050 ? [22:38] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-131-243.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [22:39] cap, is that the native resolution for your monitor? [22:39] cap: does your monitor / card support it? [22:39] Yes [22:39] cap, have you tried 'X -configure' yet? [22:39] how can I delete duplicate lines from a file? [22:39] without changing the order of lines [22:39] dissociative: cat file | sort | uniq > file2 [22:39] dissociative: get rid of the sort [22:40] ananke: it exits only that subshell [22:40] thumbs: Well, it does support it, I've actually had it working once, but fiddled with it forever before I somehow (probably by accident) got it to do it. BUT, I had to enter my user into cdrom group and restarted X and have not been able to do it again. [22:40] thumbs: looks like uniq is usless without sort [22:40] dissociative: well, yes, you're right. [22:41] dissociative: I do not know of a way to preserve the order, short of using mysql. [22:41] rworkman : hmm, i see. what i may do is replace those two commands with a single call to a function [22:41] dissociative: (overkill, I know) [22:41] ananke: we've run across that at SBo, and it seems to be by design. As an example, if you do: set -e \n do_whatever() \n ( do_something_in subshell \n do_something_else ) <-- if "do_something_in fails, then the subshell exits [22:41] ananke: Tried X -configure numersos times [22:41] I havent used mysql anyway [22:41] ananke: yes, that would work, or put it like this: ( commands ) || exit 1 [22:42] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-23.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:42] ken (n=user@38.119.107.114) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:42] so when exit 1 is inside of a subshell it only exits that subshell and the main scripting keeps on going? [22:42] correct [22:42] nullboy : yep [22:43] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "the world is at my fingertips, sadly every damn finger is broken :|" [22:44] what trips me out even more is that the exit 1 outside of the subshell works for the exit code that is happening inside of the subshell [22:44] that's what seems odd [22:44] skibur (i=1000@12.197.205.184) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [22:44] ( exit ) [22:45] What' [22:45] lol [22:45] It's just like runnign a command inside your normal shell. The ( subshell ) is spawaning a separate process, and if that process dies, big deal. You can, of course, do things based on the exit code of that process. [22:45] What's the best way to convert a bunch of .doc files to plain text (ascii or unicode, don't care) on the command line? [22:46] antiword perhaps [22:46] Never used it or built it, but I've heard of it :) [22:46] Yeah, that's what I found with a google. [22:46] aaaand it has a slackbuild. excellent. [22:47] Hrm, I didn't know we had that :) [22:48] I've used it before. [22:48] thumbs: how does it tend to go? I don't care about formatting, just want text. [22:48] pretty good. [22:49] I had to do some minor fixes. [22:51] sweet. thanks. [22:53] asdasdqwerwer (n=o@189-47-252-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:54] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:54] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [22:56] dFunct (n=dFunct@adsl-147-135-239.sdf.bellsouth.net) left irc: [22:57] asdasdqwerwer (n=o@189-47-252-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [23:02] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:03] okay, I cannot stand it.. [23:03] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:03] dissociative: huh? [23:03] going to replace the keyboard [23:04] brb [23:04] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-131-243.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:07] jgor (i=jgor@66.112.231.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:12] epaphus (n=JP@201.199.62.74) joined ##slackware. [23:14] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Hi guys, can anybody show me an example on how to measure the hd effiency with dd? [23:17] epaphus: use hpparm instead. [23:17] epaphus: hdparm -tT [23:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) joined ##slackware. [23:17] yeah, but i need to use dd :( [23:17] why? [23:17] i dont have hdparm in this machine, its the rule :) [23:18] fair enough [23:18] epaphus, bonnie++ [23:19] dd if=/tmp/file1 of=/tmp/file2 bs=1024 [23:19] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:19] and time it with the time command as a prefix [23:19] The answer to your homework assignment is to download the hdparm source code and compile it. [23:19] heh [23:20] lol, its not homework [23:20] but thanks.. [23:20] I am unsure if my dd command will yield useful results, either [23:20] i want this http://www.xagyl.com/catalog/images/alix2c3.jpg?osCsid=f0dcd431a364c1fdc1f5604d265a3953 [23:22] thumbs, in this case I would have to make file1 with a descent size.. right? [23:22] epaphus: yes. [23:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:23] epaphus: it's no where near the accuracy hdparm can giv eyou. [23:23] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [23:24] hi, anyone can help me with pkg with rmvb codec [23:24] hmm, yeah iam guessing the same [23:24] but thanks [23:24] fati (n=brian@71.238.167.164) left irc: "Leaving" [23:24] i want this: http://topidol.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/grace_jones_99.jpg [23:24] when building xfconf for xfce 4.6, configure tells me I'm missing things I'm not (perl, glib) Why? [23:26] antler: Me, too! [23:27] jgor (i=jgor@66.112.231.147) joined ##slackware. [23:28] paissad (n=paissad@121.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:32] Action: NyteOwl wants to win the next lkottery - then he could affo0rd most of the res [23:39] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:44] MrHales: do you have pkgconfig installed? [23:44] Yeah. [23:45] Wait... no... [23:45] You must be missing something else important; it all works fine here. [23:45] wtf?! [23:45] hehe [23:45] MrHales: I have a 4.6 package for slackware 12.2 if you want to save yourself the trouble. [23:46] I'm downloading it... again, actually [23:47] I wanted to try building from source, I like things nice and customized, generally [23:47] I'm going to find out why in the world I don't have pkgconfig, get that right, give it one more go, and then, if it fails, give up and go the easy way. [23:48] Action: MrHales is stubborn. [23:49] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:49] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:49] :) [23:49] Wait, it's there.. forgot the - [23:49] /usr/bin/pkg-config [23:50] Was looking for "pkgconfig" [23:50] configure on xconf complained, but completed. Said that I was missing perl bindings [23:51] anyone have a public script or package for m2crypto? [23:53] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [23:54] Well, see what's actually going wrong -- look at config.log in the source dir to see exactly what went wrong. [23:54] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:54] nullboy: working on crda? :) [23:55] rworkman: May I ask you a 'teaching' question? [23:55] mannynix: sure [23:55] rworkman: Is it possible to apply the BSD license to a lecture and 'give it away'? [23:56] I'm about to give a lecture on March 20, and I play to give a tinyurl to download all of it [23:56] this is the biggest wifi change yet, even compared to ieee vs. mac80211 [23:56] I plan* [23:57] why wouldn't you be able to let people freely download it? [23:57] mannynix: hrm, good question. [23:57] rworkman: Been asking myself about it for a while [23:57] nullboy: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/M2Crypto/ [23:57] awesome! [23:57] thanks [23:58] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:58] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [23:58] mannynix: with a bit of word changing (like s/source/lecture/ or some such), I don't see why not. [23:58] antler: That's what I'm gonna do, but i'd like them do share with other too [23:59] rworkman: Cool, thanks :) [23:59] do you work for an employer that owns your intellectual property? [23:59] m... not sure.. I'm just a teaching at the University [00:00] --- Wed Mar 4 2009