[00:00] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] true [00:01] I use grub when I have to boot opensolaris, this laptop triple boots osol, slackware and vista [00:01] eviljames: when I tried in install lilo it reporting that something with my HDD is not allowing sufficient space, so instead I installed grub and told it to point to the boot partition, now I just have to modify menu.lst to make any changes and don't need to write to the mbr anymore [00:01] Action: gartt loves the simplicity of lilo. [00:02] Unless you're doing something really complex, I think it's the way to go [00:02] Action: sortremord loves both [00:02] I prefer lilo, but grub is filling my needs right now [00:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:02] Heresy. Off with his head. [00:02] I have to agree with gartt, if you're using an all linux and/or windows situation lilo is the way to go [00:03] agreed [00:04] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:05] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [00:06] I like talking with this group, the humor always rolls, hopefully I can get -current running correctly in the next hour [00:06] mfillpot: even better in ##slackware-offtopic [00:07] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Who's OT? [00:08] oh, I mean for talking with the group [00:08] general passing the time by [00:08] Yeah, it's a good channel [00:12] Except when I mention I like Gentoo too. I still have the scars from that one... [00:13] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-74-212-38-189-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] what.. how could you?! heathen! burn him at the stake! [00:13] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:13] raela: It was a narrow escape [00:13] gartt: that's only permissable in ##slackware-offtopic ... both mentioning gentoo and being flailed for it. [00:13] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.97.232) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [00:13] eviljames: Don't worry, not trying to fuel any fires :) [00:14] But I'm happily lurking there as well [00:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:16] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:16] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [00:18] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:23] Necrosporus (~Xenius@81.18.126.44) joined ##slackware. [00:23] Necrosporus (~Xenius@81.18.126.44) left irc: Changing host [00:23] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [00:24] Matt (~matt@spoon.pkl.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:25] cbpye (~Administr@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:26] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] bleah. [00:26] yo Urchlay [00:27] hey mfillpot [00:27] it's good to see a familiar name [00:27] 2 seconds to swap a PCI card, bloody 10 minutes to find the screw I drop in the case :( [00:27] Urchlay: bleach was pretty much nirvana's best work. [00:27] eviljames: not a huge fan really [00:28] though I'll probably buy the new "Guitar Hero: Kurt Cobain Edition", which comes with a shotgun controller... [00:28] all the better for you [00:28] Urchlay: hopefully it comes with enough heroin to make it unusable.. [00:28] Action: eviljames stokes the conspiracy theory [00:29] so I finally found my semi-nice old PCI sound card, now to see how well it plays with jack/ardour [00:29] 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) [00:30] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:30] heh, it's old enough it has a game port too. I shoulda grabbed my old Gravis Pro while I was digging thru storage [00:30] Urchlay: I have an oddball setup now. I have a tascam us100 and hooked up the line out to the line in on an envy24-based card [00:30] Urchlay: that card actually drives my speakers, jack grabs ahold of the usb interface to record from [00:31] hmm [00:31] what chipset is the envy card? [00:31] ice1724 i think [00:31] or something like that [00:31] yeah, I bought a $8 piece of crap store brand sound card from microcenter a couple weeks ago that had that same chipset [00:31] all my computers are in storage atm [00:31] *shrug* I have no xruns with this setup. [00:31] dmesg shows the kernel got confused ("unknown model" or such) [00:32] though the card did/does work (with xruns) [00:32] Urchlay: well, the us100 is cheap, sturdy, usb-powered and has hi-z input. [00:32] probably there's more to a pro audio card than just the chipset though [00:32] I'd bet. [00:33] just found it odd that a $8 throwaway card has the same chip as high end pro cards [00:34] well, there's quality of components, marketing, R&D, other expenses that go into high end cards [00:34] is the envy a high end card? [00:34] well I've seen it listed as a pro audio card anyway [00:34] oh, I pulled it from a scrap machine. sweet find. [00:34] :) [00:35] in any case, I was using an intel hda device before.. xruns galore, no matter the settings, no matter the latency [00:35] ugh, yeah [00:35] so my current setup I haven't been using a real time kernel, just jack on the tascam, fed line level into the envy, which is then attached to some speakers [00:35] the one time I've set up slackware with intel hda audio, I actually had to add the module parameter 'xbox=1' to get it to make any sound (no idea why, it's most certainly not an xbox...) [00:35] hook a guitar directly up, run it through jack-rack, press play on amarok and jam along with my tunes. [00:36] BP{k}: slackpkg upgrade-all is still doing its thing still *seems* good so far . . . [00:36] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Xires [00:36] tried rakarrack as a jack-rack replacement? [00:36] (it's got some nice things about it and some bad ones) [00:36] Urchlay: not yet, but have been intending to. I'm going to start an automated build process for all things studio s related.. but that'll be after I get a desk set up in the new place :P [00:37] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:37] reminds me. Have you yet got a way for someone to download a tarball of one of the studio-s slackbuilds, without pulling from git? [00:37] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:38] Action: Urchlay would be willing to help with scripting, if it's needed [00:38] BP{k}: have run Lilo, things seem to be functioning OK, thanks a lot (although I still don't understand what went wrong) [00:40] te_ (1000@conr-adsl-209-169-67-207.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] sortremord (~martin@201-89-151-30.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:42] sortremord (~martin@187.7.123.185) joined ##slackware. [00:42] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] te_ (1000@conr-adsl-209-169-67-207.consolidated.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:44] Urchlay: it's pretty straightforward, I think. In the next month it'll be in my github account [00:46] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-128.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] cool [00:47] \o Urchlay [00:47] hey, fired|rib [00:47] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:47] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm done for now [00:49] hm. Out of all the weird crap people have plugged into a slackware box, I probably am the only one who's got an Alesis nanocompressor powered by an Atari power supply from 1981 [00:49] Urchlay: well, someone has to start the trend. [00:50] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:50] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] 9 volts AC is 9 volts AC... [00:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:53] Is anyone able to point in the right direction why adding the last 2 days updates of -current cause no modules to load ... (missing autoconf.h) ... do I have to rebuild the current coreutils or is that another problem? [00:57] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:58] grazymax (~grazymax@host97-36-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:00] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:02] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:02] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:02] It's a user/version mismatch probably. [01:03] Custom kernel? [01:04] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:04] and I'm not sure how you link non-loading kernel modules to coreutils. [01:05] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] peacenik (cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("thanks"). [01:05] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] vhann (~superuser@142-217-83-39.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] nope... pretty much what slackpkg set... vmlinuz, 2.6.3 huge smp ... /usr/src/linux was right and /usr/lib had 2.6.33 in [01:07] Running huge kernel then. Seen a few reports of that wrt Xorg [01:08] No hardware to test and see what's going on though, but there've been enough reports that it's something. [01:08] wouldn't even get to init 4 ... looks like it would try to depmod then bail to init 1 [01:09] Could it be due to running slackpkg install-new *then* upgrade-all ? [01:09] vhann (~superuser@142-217-83-39.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Quit: Quitte [01:09] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:10] There's no magic involved. There's a reason, but it's not as vague as "" :) [01:10] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:11] Based on previous reports, somethign that X needs can't load because the modules don't match up with the huge kernel, which means the configs were/are not as compatible as we thought they were. We'll get it figured out. [01:11] In the meantime, welcome to -current. Enjoy your flight. [01:11] grazymax (~grazymax@host169-1-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:11] oh, I could load x :] ... kde seemed fine [01:11] -current is working excellent here, both laptop and desktop [01:11] (so I guess it wasn't init 1) [01:12] SlashQuit: then your report conflicts iwth itself. [01:12] If you could load X, then init 4 is fine. [01:12] s/is/should be/ [01:12] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] s/init/runlevel/ [01:12] just great [01:12] grate [01:12] plugging the audio cable into the mic input on my sound card seems to have fried my damn video card [01:12] ?? [01:12] yikes [01:13] there was a tiny little spark, the audio *worked fine* [01:13] but the screen froze up & I couldn't ping the box [01:13] I restored back to yesterday, I'll repeat the process and capture the full lines. [01:13] I have yet to run across an audio card that does NOT spark like that. [01:13] Maybe I have bad speakers. [01:13] so hard reboot, wait a while, and now the box is up with no display (I'm ssh'ed into it) [01:14] If your audio cable plugged into something that is potentially using a different ground plane than your monitor, the charge difference could have been enough to create a damaging discharge [01:14] ugh [01:14] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [01:14] okay [01:14] installed my nvidia drivers [01:14] but [01:14] guess what the resolution max is [01:14] hm. Eh, everything on this side of the room is plugged into the same outlet [01:14] Who are you, Kramer from Seinfeld? [01:14] DeputyDERPDERP: 320x240 [01:14] lol [01:15] 640x480 [01:15] close [01:15] thats the minimal james [01:15] wat do?!?! [01:15] so, eh, off to screw with hardware [01:15] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:16] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Action: rworkman shall have bluez4 playthings tomorrow, I hope. [01:16] DeputyDERPDERP: it's all about log files to see what's going on. Xorg.0.log for instance... checked for errors or warnings there? [01:16] The cluster has been working this evening. [01:17] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> R [01:17] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] so the damn nvidia card wasn't even appearing in lspci [01:18] Fried it quite well. [01:20] which means I am well and truly fucked [01:20] bash-3.1# grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log [01:20] (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [01:20] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER [01:20] I blame inconsistent ground potentials [01:20] my total income is under $100/week [01:20] it happens [01:20] thats what i get [01:20] yeah. Though why it would fry the video card and not, say, the sound card I was plugging the cable into... [01:21] Urchlay: weakest link [01:21] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:21] so how will i fix my xorg.conf file? one of my bros tried to help to add a new resolution in but it didnt work [01:21] so now I can save up my money and waste it on an AGP vid card to replace this dead one [01:21] so i had to wipe it out and make a new one with nvidia -configure [01:22] sortremo1d (~martin@189.98.190.36) joined ##slackware. [01:22] sortremo1d (martin@189.98.190.36) left ##slackware. [01:22] i think you might try adding a DisplaySize into the monitor section of xorg.conf [01:22] or save up my money for a lot longer, and buy a proper (pci express) vid card, plus a motherboard it'll plug into, plus a new CPU and RAM what will work on that motherboard [01:22] and likely a new power supply [01:22] why arent you telling me this in aim then [01:22] lol [01:23] cause i do what i want! [01:23] what is a resolution you are pretty sure you can support? [01:24] 1600x1200 is the max on this monitor [01:24] Which of the kvm packages are needed from slackbuilds.org to setup a proper kvm/qemu environment on Slackware 13 x86_64? [01:24] but i dont wanna go that high [01:24] sortremord (~martin@187.7.123.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:24] pick a resolution for me [01:24] surprise me [01:25] 800x640 [01:25] NOOOOO [01:25] 640x480 [01:25] GET OUT [01:25] 1x1 [01:25] 0x0 !!!! [01:25] hahhh [01:25] 0xdeadbeef [01:25] in green screen monochrome [01:25] 1x7 AMIRITE? [01:25] sqrt(-1)xsqrt(-1) [01:25] sortremo1d (~martin@189.98.190.36) joined ##slackware. [01:25] Get real. [01:25] apple x orange [01:26] gahh [01:26] grapefruit. [01:26] lemon. [01:26] 0xEATBEEF [01:26] YES! [01:26] okay,try adding this to xorg "DisplaySize 386 289" under the MonitorSection [01:26] stoopid onboard video, xorg thinks it only supports 800x60 [01:26] kumquat [01:27] alcohol and cocks and endless balls [01:27] without any quotation marks [01:27] captain pike mode .. 1 red pixel... flashes 1 for yes, twice for no [01:27] i dont trust those numbers [01:27] SlashQuit: awesome reference [01:27] don't trust mine. [01:27] its gonna go XBOX HUEG [01:27] With less rat. [01:27] no its goinna be tamagothi tiny? [01:28] tamagotchi* [01:28] Section "Monitor" [01:28] Identifier "Monitor0" [01:28] VendorName "Unknown" [01:28] Channel flood from DeputyDERPDERP -- kicking [01:28] ModelName "Unknown" [01:28] HorizSync 28.0 - 33.0 [01:28] DeputyDERPDERP kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:28] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [01:28] also, lol [01:28] lol [01:28] refresh rate is horrid [01:28] getting a headache [01:29] i want my sexy 85hz [01:29] just stick that line after VertSync [01:29] might want to also edit those ranges [01:30] waitttt [01:30] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] and if anyone has gotten imlib2 working correctly with the new libpng, please share [01:30] I only added ... Option "DPMS" ... and the rest detected properly. [01:30] botnet: I saw that post on LQ. You recompiled all of your apps, right? [01:30] yes [01:31] botnet: might need changes to link libpng correctly [01:31] I'm having some problems booting with the update slackware64-current, can someone attempt to help me figure out why and how to fix it? [01:32] rworkman: i am guessing the libpng14.so change is mainly the culprit, but not sure which way to solve it [01:32] mfillpot is an anagram of milf plot [01:32] gonna try 1240x1024 [01:32] mfillpot: what is the problems specifically? [01:33] botnet: the system freezes on boot after it display the info about the sound card [01:34] botnet: probably. Once things settle a bit, I'll try to investigate more [01:34] are there any errors listed? [01:34] mfillpot: panic or just freeze? [01:34] no errors in any logs and it just freezes, I have not gotten a kernel panic [01:34] its not a huge deal, i can still use png files with other applications, so no urgency on my end at least [01:35] tuxloo (~lushan@218.200.4.8) joined ##slackware. [01:35] brb gonna reload x to see if this works [01:35] rworkman: are you going to collab summit? [01:35] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:36] mfillpot: I don't know what that is, so no. [01:36] mfillpot: What kernel is this? huge? [01:37] You saved your 2.6.32.7 kernel, right? Will it boot? [01:37] Will the -current installer boot? [01:37] rworkman: I am using huge until I can get it to boot to build the intitrd, and I still have the files from the past kernel and it boots with them [01:38] So boot the old kernel, build the initrd from there, and see if generic will boot [01:38] rworkman: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/ , I was hoping you would go so I can buy you a beer for all of your help [01:38] is that the one that will be in boston ^ [01:39] but charges a fee to attend [01:39] Action: CcSsNET checks link [01:39] mfillpot: nope, bad timing on that. Unless it's in the summer, it's almost impossible for me to attend a conference [01:39] Well, I hate to run, but it's almost 0100 here, and I should have been asleep long ago; therefore, I'm off. [01:40] rworkman: thanks again [01:40] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: sleep [01:40] I will boot into the old kernel to build the initrd and see if generic will boot afterwards [01:40] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:41] I will be back [01:41] tuxloo (lushan@218.200.4.8) left ##slackware. [01:41] nope i guess its not hehe [01:41] I'm gonna give generic a try too. Back in the moaning.... this'll take a couple of hours. I'll capture that autoconf.h error this time. [01:42] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:42] matu_ (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:42] sortremo1d (~martin@189.98.190.36) left irc: Quit: Study [01:42] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:43] giuppy (~giuppy@host197-167-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:44] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [01:44] okay i deleted xorg.conf [01:44] just so i can at least use 800x600 [01:45] what did that DisplaySize do? [01:45] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:45] made my text so goddamn tiny [01:45] but resolution was still huge? [01:45] did DisplaySize 1240 1024 [01:45] yeah [01:45] it stayed the same [01:45] but text got tiny as hell [01:45] thats not how display size works [01:45] well tell me how it works [01:46] did you add what i told you to add? [01:46] no didnt trust those numbers [01:46] gimme it again [01:46] i calculated those numbers specifically [01:46] to do what? [01:46] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:46] DisplaySize 386 289 [01:47] to match a 1600x1200 resolution on a 19 inch monitor [01:47] alright hold on gotta make another xorg.conf [01:47] i think its 19 inches [01:47] lol [01:47] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [01:47] well try it, also add a modeline [01:48] lushan (~lushan@218.200.4.8) joined ##slackware. [01:49] do wat [01:49] ise nvidia-xconfig to make a new xorg.conf then post it to pastebin.ca [01:49] use* [01:49] i did [01:49] i just put displaysize in there [01:49] and hold on bout to post it [01:49] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:50] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [01:50] http://pastebin.ca/1820747 [01:50] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] http://pastebin.ca/1820749 [01:51] try that for a xorg.conf [01:51] lol alright hold on [01:51] lushan (lushan@218.200.4.8) left ##slackware. [01:51] slack-current failed to boot from the new kernel even after updating the initrd file and trying to run the generic kernel [01:53] okay brb gonna restart x [01:53] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:54] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:57] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [01:58] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:00] DeputyDERPDERP (~root@r75-110-36-127.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:02] I guess I am sol today, ow well.. I will have better luck later [02:03] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm done for now [02:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-9-59.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [02:04] DeputyDERPDERP (~root@r75-110-36-127.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:04] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3814, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-09 17:48:42 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:05] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:06] gods *dammit* [02:06] mfillpot thanks for pasting that link [02:07] the modeline I've been using with my nvidia card for like 3 years won't work with the stupid via onboard [02:07] does "horizontal sync too wide" sound like a limitation of the X driver to anyone here? [02:07] (or of the video chip maybe) [02:10] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. 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[02:20] ugh [02:20] onboard video "works" for some definition of the word [02:20] no more playing quake or doom for me :( [02:21] Nick change: SgtNezzie -> MoMo [02:22] =D [02:23] video playback in mplayer looks like my old VCR (line of garbage on bottom), and when I exit mplayer it takes like a full second to redraw the desktop [02:23] Urchlay -- that is a feature =) [02:23] also the picture has some kinda analog interference all the time, hard to describe [02:24] reminds me of what happens if you sit two old-style CRT monitors too close together [02:24] I suspect that part can't be blamed on the Xorg driver (I bet it's picking up high frequency interference from somewhere else inside the case) [02:25] ...and it happens in plain text console too :( [02:25] so in the blink of an eye, my computer has gone from "old, but still serviceable" to "shit I wouldn't force my worst enemy to use" [02:28] matu_ (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [02:29] Hello... I'm noticing I have two main nagios processes running.. is this normal? I know that for the ndo forks, but I'm just seeing nagios do that lately [02:30] matu_ (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:30] sortremord (~martin@201-89-150-31.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:31] oh.. does nagios fork when it runs plugins? [02:31] is there any command I can use for checking what is the version of a package I have installed? [02:31] uh oh... wrong channel... nevermind my asking :) [02:32] I remember.. I was wondering weather someone managed to build the isnsserver package on slackware.. From the compile scripts it seems it's made for rpm based systems [02:32] shadowx (~7350@singularity.darknetx.eu) joined ##slackware. [02:33] sortremord, i believe you can list the /var/log/packages for the name of your package.. it should have some info on version installed [02:33] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: :wq!dammit [02:34] chenfengyuan (~chenfengy@117.136.10.1) joined ##slackware. [02:34] AtuM: thank you very much :) [02:35] Good morning ppl :) [02:35] chenfengyuan (chenfengy@117.136.10.1) left ##slackware. [02:35] hello shadowx [02:36] hello shadowx [02:37] does anyone use any other isns - on any other system? I've read that opensolaris has a great one.. ms even offers it for free [02:42] I am having a problem compiling wvstreams [02:43] uniconf/uniconf.cc:451: error: sort is not a member of std [02:43] make: *** [uniconf/uniconf.o] Error 1 [02:45] maybe missing a dependency [02:47] <_slax0r_> check unconf/uniconf.cc file if it includes [02:47] <_slax0r_> if it does, then one of your packages is out of date [02:47] aquaman (~aLinux@unaffiliated/alinux) joined ##slackware. [02:47] okay [02:48] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] aquaman (~aLinux@unaffiliated/alinux) left irc: Client Quit [02:48] so totally ready to toss the damn thing out the window [02:48] <_slax0r_> open it first, don't wanna break it [02:49] it does not include [02:49] right now I want to break everything [02:49] go Urchlay :) [02:50] <_slax0r_> sortremord I'm not sure about it, I digged it up on google, try adding #include [02:50] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: So long sukkas! [02:50] <_slax0r_> at the beginning of course, where the other includes are [02:51] yeah xD [02:51] did that, running 'make' [02:51] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-86.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:52] it did not stuck in the same place now [02:52] ./include/wvserialize.h:352: error: explicit template specialization cannot have a storage class [02:52] make: *** [utils/wvserialize.o] Error 1 [02:52] however , it stopped here [02:52] Channel flood from sortremord -- kicking [02:52] :/ [02:52] sortremord kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:53] sortremord (~martin@201-89-150-31.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:53] Action: sortremord fl00der [02:53] downgrading gcc seems to work [02:54] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:54] I am not downgrading, so I used slapt-get [02:55] :O [02:55] phoenix^ (phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [02:55] gcc 4.3.0 or above does not compile wvstreams unless someone modifies the code according to the compiler itself [02:55] 4.2.1 works fine [02:55] ggrrrr [02:56] Nick change: bleeding|edge -> phoenix^ [02:56] Action: pprkut pats Urchlay [02:56] pprkut, I am using official sources for slapt-get, would you say it is unsafe to use it? [02:56] eeeeeat! [02:56] heh, did I create a monster yesterday? [02:57] sortremord: just make sure you use the 'OFFICIAL' keyword on your source [02:57] ok so I fried my vid card. So now that I've removed the fried card, the ethernet card quit working. So I take the machine apart to reseat it, it starts working again, now the sound card won't work [02:57] because sometimes packages will be reverted and without the OFFICIAL keyword slapt-get wont downgrade [02:57] Urchlay, buy a new one [02:57] so I take it apart & reseat the card [02:57] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:57] now the pci disk controller won't work [02:57] sortremord: no time to discuess this at length, but using slapt-get is not very accepted in this channel and most people will refuse to help you just because of that [02:58] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [02:58] so /usr partition doesn't exist. Is it considered a bug in slackware, that /sbin/lspci requires a library (libz.so) from /usr/lib? [02:58] pprkut, yeah, I thought so, thank you. [02:58] has it been noticed that in the last update for 32bit, gnuplot is 64bit? [02:59] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:59] rwerken: lol, indeed [03:00] so wtf. I used to only respect people who were technically competent... but now I've become incompetent in my old age [03:00] shoot myself? [03:00] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:00] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [03:00] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [03:00] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:02] Urchlay: it's just a dream. You'll wake up soon and all will be good again! ;) [03:02] what, my whole life is? [03:02] Urchlay watch a good film [03:02] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:03] Urchlay: of course [03:03] greeetings...;) [03:03] can't. My only way of watching anything involves getting this broken computer to work [03:03] [03:03] The-Croupier1 (ksandros@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. [03:04] read a book [03:04] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [03:05] wouldn't be able to concentrate, probably [03:05] Urchlay: don't shoot yourself just shoot the PC and buy a windows7 ;) haha [03:05] lf4 lol [03:05] lf4 XD great advice [03:05] part of my problem is I *can't* buy anything [03:06] seriously, I'm a bum, I make like $100/wk and have almost no expenses [03:06] Urchlay, are you in the UK? [03:06] nope [03:06] or from the UK [03:07] where are you from? [03:07] "bum" doesn't mean "arse" when I use it in that sentence :) [03:07] atlanta area, USA [03:07] buy a used PC [03:08] Urchlay, no explanation needed on the bum context [03:08] doubt any used PC I could afford would be in any better shape than this one [03:08] OK, without the sound card, the SATA and ethernet cards work [03:09] Urchlay you can get a fully working used PC [03:09] (probably I fried the sound card at the same time as the vid card) [03:09] when i was not well off i built a brand new p4 was latest hardware at the time by buying one piece at a time over 2 months [03:09] Urchlay: how did that system get burned? [03:09] oobe: after tonight's fiasco, I doubt my ability to build anything more complex than a cheese sandwich [03:09] actually, I hear pro panhandlers can make upwards of 80K/yr [03:10] I'd make a crappy panhandler. I can't lie convincingly to save my life (literally: I'd still be making $60K/yr if I'd been able to) [03:11] lf4: plugged a line-level output from an outboard compressor (pro studio type) into the mic input of the sound card [03:11] whoopsies [03:12] Urchlay: Oh man that stinks. [03:12] did not expect problems: the volume on the compressor was turned way down [03:12] and I wasn't actually playing the instrument plugged into the compressor's input anyway (its volume was off) [03:13] I must go now, good night everyone [03:14] sortremord (~martin@201-89-150-31.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:14] can someone explain why the last changelog is reversed alphabetically sorted? [03:14] see, years ago, I made a decision "my music should be all analog, I will never plug any of my guitars into a computer" [03:14] last year I changed my mind, and apparently am getting paid back for it [03:18] so, eh, I got a friend who switched his home studio over to all-digital, I wonder if he'll give me his old 4-track instead of throwing it away [03:20] for traque. [03:23] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: another day [03:23] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.239) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:23] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-86.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:26] you know, analog cassette [03:26] when upgrading the kernel, from the generic 2.6.32.7 to the newer kernel, how do i go about creating initrd? [03:26] you probably use "mkinitrd"... see its man page for gory details, I'm sure [03:27] /slackware-current/source/a/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [03:27] ahh, yes i can tell it which kernel version to use [03:27] (specifically, you have to tell it what version of the kernel you want an initrd for, since you're not yet running the new one) [03:27] right [03:27] but if i want to keep the old initrd, how do i tell to create a new one with different name? [03:28] that would be a what if the new one doesn't boot [03:28] doesn't the initrd contain the kernel version in its filename? [03:28] mine doesn't [03:28] well, the new one you create can [03:28] ls -la initrd.gz [03:28] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2369646 2010-02-14 15:25 initrd.gz [03:29] and in lilo.conf, you say 'initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.whatever.gz' [03:29] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:29] and will slackpkg when i upgrade, will it remove the old /boot/vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.32* [03:29] ? [03:29] eh, pretty sure it will [03:30] which is one reason for blacklisting kernel-* in slackpkg [03:30] damn, that's bad news i want to keep the old kernel for the first boot.. [03:30] what about upgradepkg? [03:30] you can installpkg the new kernel without removing the old one [03:30] (i have all the package tree in local repository) [03:31] upgradepkg removes the old package (it doesn't know/care that the kernel is "special") [03:31] ok, i'll just maybe reinstall it after the upgrade... [03:31] if I were you I just plain wouldn't be using slackpkg to upgrade the kernel [03:32] you don't want to leave your machine without a known-bootable kernel for even a short time [03:32] Urchlay, if i do not reinstall lilo in that short time, i should be ok [03:33] eh? if the old kernel image file is deleted, lilo won't be able to load it [03:35] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [03:36] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:37] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:37] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] Is anybody else running -current having issues with ssh? [03:41] Urchlay, i think, not exactly [03:42] lilo remembers the exact physical location on the hdd and that is mostly untouched [03:43] if i remember correctly [03:43] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:45] pupiteee (~p@93.86.151.66) joined ##slackware. [03:46] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [03:50] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:50] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:53] hello ... [03:58] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: So long ... go easy. [03:59] _deV_nuLL_ (~Miranda@ADijon-256-1-93-208.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:00] Wow, sure quiet in here tonight. [04:01] I don't have anything good to say, so not saying anything [04:01] Urchlay, you on -current? [04:01] nope [04:02] tonight? it's morning down here (the netherlands) [04:02] Urchlay, I have found an issue with ssh. After some searching online, it seems it's an issue with openssl and gcc, so I grabbed the openssl source, tried to build it, and it fails. [04:02] already blew up half the hardware in my only "good" machine tonight, have no desire to break half the software too [04:04] dave_moore (~sfdthj@212.183.140.20) joined ##slackware. [04:04] any attempt I make to try to solve your problem tonight, would likely lead to you having a broken system too [04:04] So, I was looking to see if others were experiencing the same issue. Maybe rworkman or someone know of it already or maybe it's new, not sure, but it happens on both my laptop and desktop, both being -current. [04:04] Urchlay: reminds me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSALep8QZ84 [04:04] best part of that video is "eeets toooo extreme!" [04:05] SiegeX: I really can't even watch youtube vids with the current abysmal performance of the onboard via chip [04:05] I mean I can "sort of" watch them, like a slideshow... [04:05] phoenix^, what kind of issue? what to do to reproduce it? [04:05] haha, i know the feeling -- i have a via gem [04:06] in fact I'm done for the night. Not going to touch another electronic device except maybe turn off the lights [04:06] ive upgraded slackware 13 but when i try building Virtualbox i get error ..Please install the build and header files for your current Linux kernel. ...is there anyway to get the headers with slackpkg ? [04:07] Shuren, Trying to ssh to anything, it'll ask for the passphrase, but rejects. using -vvvv to get more verbose, it complains the passphrase is invalid, when in fact it isn't. [04:08] dave_moore: I imagine 'slackpkg install kernel-headers' would do it [04:08] ok thanks SiegeX ill give it ago [04:08] phoenix^, also in loopback do this? or only with remote hosts? [04:09] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:09] Shuren, I've only tried ssh with remote, so not sure about loopback, but may happen with that too. [04:09] However, I need to get some sleep. Later guys. [04:10] bye [04:10] bye [04:10] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:11] spiko (~spiko@89-212-125-237.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [04:13] spiko (~spiko@89-212-125-237.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Quit: aajd [04:16] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [04:17] Morning. [04:17] Action: Zordrak_ has returedenetheded [04:17] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [04:20] spiko (~spiko@89-212-125-237.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] Axius (~hi@92.82.89.198) joined ##slackware. [04:23] Axius (~hi@92.82.89.198) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:25] StonedSlacker (~mudd@cpe-075-181-029-013.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[04:49] i missed an n out i think.. but its a Red Dwarf quote [04:57] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:57] ahhh Red Dwarf. [05:00] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-52-75.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:00] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:00] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:06] Action: oobe farts loudly and smiles at the ladies [05:16] wow. [05:16] just seen the updates [05:19] james (~james@220-244-91-89.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:19] yep [05:19] Nick change: james -> Guest88310 [05:19] >500, then an update to fix libpng issues [05:20] ouch@libpng [05:20] yep - they did a good one with 1.4.1 - and it was in the makefile no less [05:23] good timing too.. means i can sort out the new backup server before i need to release it [05:24] vrtx10k1 (~mepapp@serial.esperia.ondsl.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:25] dang - slackware.mirrors.tds.net doesn't have the libpng downgrade yet [05:25] hi! how do i disable kernel switching to fb mode in current? [05:25] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: So long ... go easy. [05:25] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [05:27] while loading kernel, that is [05:27] Guest88310 (~james@220-244-91-89.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:31] vrtx10k1 (~mepapp@serial.esperia.ondsl.gr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:32] are you using a intel videochip? [05:33] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [05:35] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) joined ##slackware. [05:35] sortremord (~martin@201-89-150-31.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[06:17] hey guys, have a serious prblem loading my nvidia driver after -current upgrade [06:18] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:18] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [06:18] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:18] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@193.251.154.147) joined ##slackware. [06:19] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [06:19] john_dee (~id@93-81-68-16.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:19] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: So long ... go easy. [06:22] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [06:23] get an error when inserting module [06:23] has anyone had this issue? 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[06:26] phrag, I seem to recall some talk about a patch [06:26] you might want to check the logs [06:27] hmm, i just want to find out A) how to fix B) if it's a problem with my system, or it's specific to -current [06:28] I think some others had the same problem as you [06:28] ah good, then it's not just my box screwed, thanks [06:28] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:28] Look at LQ.org phrag [06:29] It has several threads on nvidia driver with -current, and solutions too [06:30] i've bought a new motherboard biostar ta785g3 with phenom 545 X2, just to be sure, are the ati catalyst drivers from amd.com the one i have to install? this is my first ati/amd chipset so its better for me to ask first [06:30] got url? [06:31] alisonken1noc: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/l/libpng-1.4.1-x86_64-2.txz is the *updated* version of 1.4.1 which fixes the issues caused by the first build of this package [06:31] for catalyst drivers? [06:33] phrag, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/nvidia-and-kernel-2.6.33-792515/ [06:34] annoying [06:34] thankyou... if i have to rebuild my kernel from stock slack i wont be amused.. it's my birthday today! [06:34] alienBOB: cool [06:34] bday phrag :) [06:34] so my mirror should now be up to date [06:35] thankyou dive =) [06:40] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [06:41] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [06:42] alienBOB: poke: 11:04:14 < Zordrak> hmph. Thoughts on upgrading a multilib 64 with kde4.4. 1. Blacklist extras -> upgrade -> upgrade blacklisted. 2. Upgrade all -> re-upgrade extras. 3. Clean-system -> upgrade -> re-add extras... thoughts? [06:43] Zordrak: you"ll find a way [06:43] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.83.243) joined ##slackware. [06:43] i think theyre all pretty much equal.. not sure which to pick :) [06:44] lannders (~lannders@193-25.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:44] lannders (~lannders@193-25.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:44] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Anyone had problems with nfs not working with the huge -current kernel? I noticed this just now because I had to boot the huge kernel (messed up compiling my own :) ) [06:44] I have the glibc/gcc in my blacklist. I deselect the KDE packages from slackpkg's dialog manually (including oxygen-icons). Then I let slackpkg upgrade all, and install any new packages. Then I do "upgradepkg --reinstall" of the KDE deps [06:44] niels_horn: wish i could tell you.. but i never use huge [06:45] alienBOB: thanks. its nice to have a somewhat canonical approach [06:45] Zordrak: I also never use it, unless I do something stupid when compiling my own kernel, like this morning :) [06:45] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:45] lol [06:45] yep - that's the reason for huge :) [06:45] I always keep it in lilo as a "backup" for my stupid moments :) [06:46] we all do :) [06:46] I found this in /var/log/messages: "modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting nfsd (/lib/modules/2.6.33/kernel/fs/nfsd/n [06:46] fsd.ko): Invalid module format" [06:46] if anyone can help me with ati and kde4 effects my actual glxinfo says http://pastebin.com/G6fqxyZr [06:47] But after booting my custom kernel all was fine again. [06:47] niels_horn: that's why you use the "extra flags" for kernel version when compiling custom kernels :) [06:48] SOUL_OF_R00T, are your kde4 effects turned off automatically? I looks from that glxinfo you have no hardware acceleration. [06:48] alisonken1home: I do... This error was when booting the stock huge kernel. My own kernel is "2.6.33-custom64" [06:49] niels_horn: other people have reported "invalid module format" errors with the huge kernel [06:49] hold on.. why would the format be invalid? [06:49] erk [06:49] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [06:49] alienBOB: hm, I read about the nvidia problems... [06:50] I have seen this once before when I was creating slackware64 from scratch - at thetime it was a goof-up between the configs for huge and generic (the modules are built together with the generic kernel) [06:50] ok dive... [06:50] After the upgrade, any sound mp3 or videos, looks like a long play scratched, any idea how to fix? [06:51] niels_horn: is that Slackware 32bit or 64bit? [06:51] Well, for me it's not really a problem, just noticed it trying to copy files while I temporarily used the huge kernel. [06:51] alienBOB: 64 [06:51] K [06:52] SOUL_OF_R00T, which card do you have? [06:52] SOUL_OF_R00T, scratch that I can see form glxinfo [06:52] radeon hd 3200 [06:53] SOUL_OF_R00T, can you pastebin your xorg.conf? If you use one. [06:53] Emeau_ (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-57-175.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:53] ok [06:54] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [06:54] For the rest, -current working like a charm on two machines now :) Congrats to the Slackware team! [06:54] just updating my first now [06:55] hello all ... does anyone have any Bluetooth experience -- in particular on Dells ? [06:55] BrokenCog: some [06:56] Zordrak - any guides tailored to Slackware ? I can't seem to get the device up. [06:56] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-116-148.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:57] dive, xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/xWXPSP0L [06:57] its the same as anything else really. make sure the device is installed, make sure the relevant modules are loaded.. read/run the rc script, modify configs to your need [06:57] Zordrak: Never do a huge update like this one on the day it comes out ;) [06:58] SOUL_OF_R00T, you have an empty modules section. I think that might be the cause. [06:58] one sec [06:58] niels_horn: heh.. i am doing it on a machine that will go into production as a backup server on 64-13.1 [06:58] ok [06:58] niels_horn: makes sense to use it for testing [06:59] Zordrak: Agreed. [06:59] SOUL_OF_R00T, This is mine (but I use xorg driver) it should give some clues: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/yS6uBc93.html [06:59] esp to ensure that i catch anything that might affect me, but few others so that if anything IS up it can get fixed for 13.1 [07:00] alienBOB: I like that touch on the libpng update at slackware: "Now with less rat" [07:00] and there was a *big* rat too :-) [07:01] Zordrak: I always try first on a virtual machine, with a snapshot. Easy to fall back to the previous state. [07:01] pupiteee (~p@93.86.151.66) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:01] alisonken1home: hehehe... [07:01] hi niels! [07:01] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [07:01] MoZes: Hi! [07:01] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:02] MoZes: ArmedSlack following the latest -current already? :) [07:03] Emeau_ (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-57-175.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:04] dive very thanks i try it now [07:05] no problem [07:05] Axius (~fd@92.85.212.136) joined ##slackware. [07:05] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Saindo [07:06] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [07:06] john_dee (~id@93-81-68-16.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [07:07] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:07] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [07:08] niels_horn: of course! [07:08] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-205-014.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [07:08] niels_horn: I've broken the versatile initrd though [07:08] udev isn't making /dev/sda for some reason even though the qemu disc is found and you can mknod it. [07:09] dunno why that is. it's on the list. [07:09] I never push updates straight after such a large slackware update since I know stuff will need rebuilding within a day :) [07:09] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-91-89.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:09] MoZes: ok... I'll check it later :) [07:09] niels_horn: it's not available yet. [07:09] whatis the cli installer in slackware? [07:09] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:10] I'm rebuilding the kernels anyway to have compressed kernel modules and am trying those out [07:10] jrodger: clarify your question [07:10] jrodger: installpkg ? [07:10] MoZes: hehehe... That's why I never upgrade the same day a huge update comes out :) [07:10] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-147-234-108.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:10] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-57-175.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:10] like apt-get in debian, or yum in rh derivs [07:11] AtuM (~damjan@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:11] slackid: installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg [07:11] jrodger: installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg [07:11] jrodger: the ncurses interface to those being slackpkg [07:11] Axius (~fd@92.85.212.136) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:11] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.190) joined ##slackware. [07:11] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [07:11] although slackpkg can be used in CLI mode without ncurses [07:12] And there is pkgtool [07:12] i always forget about pkgtool [07:12] just never come to use it [07:13] sweet, I prefer cli....for admin tasks............and is there a way to change the hostname? [07:13] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: So long ... go easy. [07:13] Zordrak: Me too... Too used to the separate tools :) [07:13] jrodger, check out slackpkg too, and sbopkg for third party stuff. [07:13] jrodger: simple ncurses method is to run netconfig [07:13] or you can just mod the config files yourself [07:14] And don't forget restart sendmail and (probably) httpd if you use them. [07:15] thanks, maybe better to reinstall the system, I seem to be missing all the cli stuff...... [07:15] IME hostname changes are best followed by a rebbot *just in case* [07:16] Zordrak, it can cause problems, but errors usually show in /var/log/messages (Been there, done that ;-) ) [07:16] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [07:16] and don't forget the hostname command too [07:17] jrodger, those commands are only available to root, not user. [07:18] d'oh, je suis un imbecile, merde [07:18] (maybe that's why they are missing) [07:19] and sbopkg needs to be installed from sbopkg.org [07:19] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:19] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] it uses the repo on slackbuilds.org and I usually recommend that people read the howto there and install a few packages manually before using sbopkg [07:20] For the learning experience. [07:20] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:21] I su'd to root, the packages are there [07:23] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:23] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:25] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [07:28] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-91-89.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:28] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [07:29] allend (~allend@CPE-124-181-100-142.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:29] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-77-224.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:29] yay [07:33] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. 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[07:35] (sorry if it was mentioned already) [07:35] ooooo [07:35] slackid (~slackid@125.163.251.150) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:36] 2.6.33: Use ext4 driver for ext2/3 mounts [07:36] just saved me even more kernel space [07:36] niels_horn, hmm only 4% [07:36] whats happening [07:37] no love for the dog linuxes :P [07:37] I've never even heard of PCLinuxOS [07:39] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:39] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:39] dive: it's 5% now ;) [07:40] the proliferation of linux distributions shows what a vast surplus of mental energy exists on the planet [07:41] and what a tendency exists for self promotion i suppose [07:41] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:43] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [07:44] what does a coreutils package with gmp support have different from one without? [07:44] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:46] gmp has optimized arithmetic functions [07:46] so it might be a little slower where math is involved [07:46] hashes, etc [07:46] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-77-224.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:47] man slackpkg is a support disaster [07:47] when you add up the number of issues caused by missing install-new and getting a repository with the wrong architecture [07:47] which are obviously user problems [07:48] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:48] but it doesnt do anything to try to curtail it [07:48] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-201-33.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:48] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.222.238) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:48] i dont use slackpkg [07:49] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-uairmdfqsrmopjtl) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [07:49] I like slackpkg and sbopkg [07:49] i use it and I like it a lot [07:50] but it needs some usability improvement [07:50] im quite sure PiterPunk would reply, patches welcome :) [07:50] i think i made a patch for wrong-arch [07:50] yah [07:50] you read my mind [07:50] i shall dig it up [07:51] i think that is gonna be fixed in new version [07:51] along with other stuff but slackpkg doesnt have a devel tree you can check [07:52] was just poking around in it [07:53] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:55] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [07:56] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cjvtstmutywydgyj) joined ##slackware. [07:57] dive xould no work /x with module section [07:57] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:58] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [07:58] anything in xorg log? [07:59] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) joined ##slackware. [08:00] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:01] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl5-182-61.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:03] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:03] modules not found [08:03] to all modules [08:03] i runing slackware 13 x86_64 [08:04] anyone running intel + full -current (kernel too) around? [08:04] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-201-33.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:04] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [08:04] metrofox (~chatzilla@ppp-35-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:04] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [08:04] I'm running my laptop on -current as of jan30th [08:04] hi guys [08:05] sorry, I'm curious about someone using latest kernel + X + gtk [08:06] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.222.240) joined ##slackware. [08:06] I've got the kde4.3+cube goodies going on my laptop [08:06] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:07] thrice`: what you trying to find [08:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:09] for some reason, right click in FF takes about 3 seconds to load. it doesn't happen in ANY other GTK app, and happens with a new profile, etc. have read a few similar cases blaming intel 2.10 + KMS, but that doesn't make sense to me [08:09] right click? [08:10] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:10] yes, as well as clicking file, edit, or other GTK menus within firefox [08:10] Kaapa (~Something@bl5-182-61.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:11] huh [08:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:11] thrice`: can you help me with KMS and lilo? I was the one yesterday who had problems with it(X didn't start) :-) [08:11] dive Xorg.log http://pastebin.com/pgQ4vm0k [08:11] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:11] http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=90267 is all I can find, which conclued with "an update fixed it" :p [08:11] metrofox, yes! use the generic kernel :) [08:11] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:11] mmmm.... Ok I'll try to boot with it [08:12] apparently the huge kernel has a weird issue with it, but 2 people confirmed switchign to generic worked [08:12] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-147-234-108.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:12] metrofox, have you used the generic before, and know about generating an initrd.gz ? [08:12] thrice`: yes I do :) [08:12] i would suggest attaching the debugger but its a pain in the ass to build firefox with debug symbols [08:13] it's really, really strange. fresh user, different WMs, reproducable in all, and ONLY in FF with the menus. everything else related to firefox is as expected [08:14] GooseYArd: :o [08:14] thrice`: if that makes you happier, in seamonkey, closing a tab can take about 3 seconds [08:14] everything's frozen [08:15] well, only seamonkey [08:15] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) joined ##slackware. [08:15] actually I think I can click on the close button, change virtual desktop, send a message on IRC and come back to seamonkey before it has closed the tab [08:15] running nouveau [08:15] I'll have to mess around some more when I get home. was curious if anyone else had seen it too. [08:16] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:16] my firefox seems snappy. As far as firefox can be snappy [08:16] I have FF with about 25 tabs open and everything works fine... [08:17] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:17] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:17] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:17] it's ONLY related to spawning the gtk menus. pushing buttons, text boxes, etc. work fine [08:18] thrice`: can you give an example? I have not experienced any problem yet... [08:18] sure. open web page, right click [08:18] :D [08:19] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] I've read it's very specific to intel 2.10 with KMS, so I don't expect you'll see it without that [08:19] huh [08:19] hm.. one second into make oldconfig and im not sure what to pick :) 2.6.33 has added LZO compression [08:19] i wonder if its related to the event based buffer invalidation patches [08:20] eh nah thats 3d [08:20] nvision (~nvision@e179131236.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:20] Nick change: guax -> soul_of_guax [08:20] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:20] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:21] thrice`: Well, then I definitely have no problem here... :) Right-clicking at will without problems! [08:21] Nick change: soul_of_guax -> guax [08:22] niels_horn, you have intel + running -current? [08:22] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [08:22] thrice`: you can actually strace it or use the gtk environment variables for debug [08:22] oprofile would work too [08:22] thrice`: I use nvidia on -current. Intel only on my -stable box... :( [08:22] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:22] Camarade_Tux, indeed. I think I'll drop intel to 2.9.1 first, which some said fix it [08:23] Mornin' [08:23] thrice`: trying with vesa as a driver should be good too [08:23] that'd avoid changing a package [08:23] hi danklesman [08:24] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [08:26] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:26] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:26] BobMarley (~BobMarley@200.75.4.10) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Nick change: BobMarley -> Inkubot [08:27] Inkubot (BobMarley@200.75.4.10) left ##slackware. [08:27] screw it.. ill stick with LZMA [08:27] where have I heard thattermbefore... [08:27] boo, use gzip [08:28] ah a form of compression [08:28] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [08:28] thrice`: pat no use gzip, i no use gzip ;) [08:28] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:30] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:31] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:33] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:34] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-108-118.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:37] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. 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[08:42] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [08:43] oobe: may have issues with 2 servers trying to grab the same card [08:43] i dont using same config so i assume you mean using different options? [08:44] no - you said you wanted to run 2 X sessions with different configs - if you only have 1 card then the 2 different X sessions running at the same time running on one card will have issues [08:45] that will work if you want to stop one session and start another one with a different config [08:45] woo. compile time down to 6m47.7 for 2.6.33 [08:45] is any possibility to add user to system without password? like in Debian --password-disabled ? [08:46] mac-: just dont set one [08:46] hm ? [08:46] how? Just press ENter ? [08:47] i guess so [08:47] i dont use adduser/useradd [08:47] i add users to the passwd file and run pwconv [08:47] hm [08:49] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:50] anybody knows if eaton/powerware UPSes connected via USB can be monitored in linux? [08:50] oobe (~poofarter@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:50] dont think adduser/useradd force you to set one [08:50] i need basic shutdown/syslog capabilities. [08:50] slava_dp: no.. only know about APC [08:50] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:50] Zordrak, o/ [08:51] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:51] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:52] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [08:53] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:54] Zordrak: too much effort; adduser is simple as it is [08:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.231.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:54] "your battery is either charging, bad or missing" .,.. uh how about you be a LITTLE more specific, MegaRAID? [08:55] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:55] vastina: i find the script more effort [08:55] edit, duplicate, rename, pwconv [08:55] ohffs [08:55] i forgot modules_install AGAIN [08:56] Action: slava_dp compiles some modules for Zordrak [08:56] isnt really a biggie.. everything is in the custom kernel [08:57] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.2) joined ##slackware. [08:57] boots fine.. just bitches about the modules dir being missing and the odd i2c module [09:00] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [09:03] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Quit: kicked the system [09:03] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:04] awesome(!) defaulting kernel modesetting to on kills the boot [09:05] after a few [drm] lines it just stops dead [09:05] cant even reisub [09:06] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. 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[09:20] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:21] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Kaapa__ (~pedro@bl6-203-241.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:26] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:26] hey everyone. After upgrading my desktop to the latest -current I'm having issues starting agetty. I always get the error INIT: Id "cN" respawning too fast: disbled for 5 minutes [09:27] any tips? I can connect through ssh [09:27] Nick change: raph0x88_ -> raph0x88 [09:28] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:28] dErFz (~derf@unaffiliated/derfz) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:29] Kaapa__: your agettys are crashing [09:30] Kaapa__: run 'ldd /sbin/agetty', see what shows up [09:31] ananke: linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) ; libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb765b000) ; /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb77e7000) [09:31] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:31] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Kaapa__: /sbin/agetty -h [09:32] see if it shows you help [09:32] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-147-234-108.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) got netsplit. [09:32] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) got netsplit. [09:32] Kamel- (klo_447@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got netsplit. [09:32] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) got netsplit. [09:32] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) got netsplit. [09:32] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) got netsplit. 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[09:36] Kamel- (klo_447@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [09:36] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) returned to ##slackware. [09:36] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) returned to ##slackware. [09:36] sinkigobopo (~sinkigobo@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) returned to ##slackware. [09:36] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware. [09:36] alice (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [09:38] Kaapa__: try the following: /sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux [09:38] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.210.112) joined ##slackware. [09:40] nothing happens. stays there for 10s and then exits [09:40] I had tried it already [09:40] did you check tty1 after running it? [09:41] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:41] yep, I'm looking at it [09:41] and? [09:41] you know, i can't see what you see :) [09:41] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:41] absolutely nothing [09:42] the "nothing happens" was already what I was seeing :) [09:42] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:42] see5ty (~bumpair@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Anyone ever succesfully done any MegaRAID monitoring from slack? [09:42] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [09:42] now this is sweet... [09:43] X runs [09:43] how do i log in to a samba-server? [09:43] Kaapa__: ls -l /dev/tty1, what does it show? [09:43] omg, this is annoying me... right what's the correct way to fix this nvidia bug? [09:43] see5ty: from windows or linux? [09:43] from linux [09:43] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-220.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] it'sd my birthday, i need my box running and don't have the time to spend hours trying to debug [09:44] ananke, ouch! There's no tty1! [09:44] that explains it! [09:44] I saw some udev errors while booting [09:44] but no idea what causes them [09:44] nvidia patch? kernel rebuild? [09:44] happy birthday phrag :P [09:44] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [09:44] happy birthday phrag [09:44] Kaapa__: that would be the cause of your problems :) [09:45] phrag: what's the problem. [09:45] ? [09:45] Its my birthday and I'll cry if I want to! [09:45] what service is responsible for creating ttyX ? [09:46] precisely! [09:46] haha, nah i just dont have the time to fix this today and kinda want my box up and running [09:46] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:46] nvidia module is failing to insert properly [09:46] new kernel? [09:46] I thought you were pulling the latest nvidia download last night? [09:46] phrag: error message? changed kernel? upgrade the nvidia driver? recompiled? [09:46] 'Invalid Module Format' for agpart.ko and nvidia.ko [09:47] -current, new kernel, multilib [09:47] dmesg [09:47] tried 4 different nvidia version, using latest right now [09:47] latest release or latest betha? [09:47] *beta [09:47] i can't latest beta [09:47] .. [09:47] ah, multilib, why does it feel it's not picking up the good compiler? [09:48] well just upgraded to the latest updates, all seems to bee cool for now... [09:48] hmm, reckon i should swap to -current64's gcc andglibc ? [09:48] running the latest kernel too [09:48] could try to find someone on 64 with these modules built [09:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [09:48] ananke, any tips? :S [09:48] phrag: agpgart.ko shouldn't fail however... [09:48] phrag, are you using the generic kernel? [09:49] were there any problems people reported about X not starting on intel graphics cards? [09:49] huge-2.6.33 [09:49] zux1wrk, yes, use the generic kernel to fix it [09:49] phrag, try generic :> [09:49] ooh! thanks mate, will try now =) [09:49] thrice`, no, i'm not having any problems that's why i'm wondering [09:50] people were having issues using the huge kernel and loading drm properly on intel; I'd start there, anyway [09:51] except for the fact that i forgot -C in mkinitrd, all the updates went very nicely [09:51] zux1wrk: I have the intel x3100 chipset and I had to switch to the generic kernel to get kms working [09:51] i started with the generic and didn't even try the huge [09:53] see5ty (~bumpair@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:54] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:55] brightness plugin for xfce is something new and interesting [09:55] you guys have anything in /etc/udev/rules.d ? [09:55] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [09:55] yes [09:55] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [09:55] 70-persistent-cd.rules 70-persistent-net.rules [09:56] Kaapa__: persistent net and optical rules; that should probably be it [09:56] Anyone want to play with bluez4? [09:56] ok. I have a lot of stuff here, maybe old crap [09:56] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.10) joined ##slackware. [09:56] rworkman, do you have your intel + kms setup handy? [09:56] yes [09:56] can you open Ff and try right-clicking on the webpage? [09:56] It's my "everyday" system that I'm on now [09:57] Ff? [09:57] looks fine [09:57] rworkman: btw, nouveau probably shouldn't be enabled in the default kernels, or it should be blacklist by default [09:57] firefox? [09:57] doesn't take 3-5 seconds to spawn? [09:57] no [09:57] hmph, ok [09:57] i just found tilda been wanting somthing like this for a while it is awesome [09:57] rworkman: I had troubles when switching from vga to nouveau/kms and it seems I'm not alone [09:57] Camarade_Tux: quite possibly - the kms prevents nvidia blob? [09:57] Kaapa__: it could be anything at this point. you've updated udev, kernel, etc. [09:57] ananke, yes, everything. [09:58] rworkman: I think it does but that's not my concern, I think you can't reliably have VGA/VESA and nouveau on nvidia hardware [09:58] good news is that I don't need nvidia driver, the nouveau seems to be working just fine [09:58] the key word here is "reliable" [09:58] Kaapa__: i don't follow -current as closely as i used to, so i don't know what has changed. i also don't know what you upgraded _from_ [09:59] I didn't see the backstory; what's the issue, Kaapa__ ? [09:59] Camarade_Tux: indeed [09:59] ananke, yes, I know that. But I appreciate the help! [09:59] rworkman, agetty crashes after upgrading to last -current. I don't have any ttyX [09:59] woops [09:59] Kaapa__: at least you now know what this problem involves [09:59] I *didn't* [09:59] now it works! [10:00] ? [10:00] it was some faulty udev rules in that dir [10:00] removing them and leaving only the files rworkman mentioned solved it [10:00] What package did those files belong to? [10:01] libpoop1.7 [10:01] no really idk [10:01] none. Probably old things. [10:03] is there a tutorial that anyone can recommend for installing programs like DBRL in slackware. I am new to slackware and not comfortable with the installation process, as I haven't found it yet. [10:03] kloeri (kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) left irc: Ping timeout: 606 seconds [10:04] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-203-241.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:04] MoMo mostly compile urself [10:04] but there are alternatives slapt-get [10:05] metrofox (~chatzilla@ppp-35-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:06] rworkman: yeah, I was waiting for someone on #slackware-fr to report back but blacklisting nouveau solved his issue [10:06] I had the same problem and the nouveau devs told me it was probably the vga handout: when nouveau is meant to take over vga [10:07] CcSsNET: yeah -- i see the compile yourself deal -- honestly intimidates me -- but i tried slapt-get for this program i'm going for (DBRL) but i don't beleive there is a slapt-get package for it .. i tried slapt-get --search dbrl and nothing [10:07] kloeri (kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) joined ##slackware. [10:07] _deV_nuLL_ (~Miranda@ADijon-256-1-93-208.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: YoP ! [10:08] MoMo: a reliable source of packages is slackbuilds.org but I don't see what you want there [10:08] maddslacker (~corey@71-212-184-108.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] yeah i tried there too =) [10:08] Camarade_Tux: I also needed to blacklist nouveau [10:08] \o/ I finally got (almost) everything working after yesterday's -current update [10:09] so what is the typical process to compile it myself? -- is there a tutorial for that, or is it different for each program? [10:09] MoMo: what's dbrl btw? [10:09] niels_horn: which card? [10:09] Camarade_Tux: sorry i'm backwards today DRBL [10:09] =) [10:09] I'm 99% sure, there is a bug with current and the sound board vt1708, i reinstall the current 2x and still with problems- any sound is played like a long play scratched, even the kde start sound [10:09] Diskless Remote Boot in Linux [10:12] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:13] madnex, that is probably then a linux.2.6.33 bug [10:15] MoMo, have a look at slackbuilds.org [10:15] and if they don't have an app you need, then you cam compile by hand [10:15] Action: ClaudioM <3 slackbuilds [10:16] you can even create a package on your own if you want [10:16] much easier in Slackware than anywhere else IMO [10:16] madnex, I had issues with my intel vid driver, and I have heard others as well, the suggestion has been to use the generic kernel rather than huge [10:16] ClaudioM, agreed [10:16] ClaudioM, initrd andf generic ftw [10:16] intel card is back to normal now [10:16] indeed [10:16] very nice [10:17] the only module I needed to add was xfs, in the initrd [10:17] I'll have to do what rworkman said last night about just leaving the vga line there [10:17] just for kicks [10:17] and removing the append option [10:17] I had to use those at a former job when I created storage appliances on suse...we needed the initrd for the raid drivers [10:17] MoMo (~Mo@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:17] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:17] maddslacker: did you use the link I posted yesterday? [10:17] i left mine [10:17] yeah mine is still in there, but I wanted to try what he mentioned [10:17] ClaudioM, no, I read the readme in /boot .. heh [10:17] no.. custom kernel and no initrd ftw [10:17] maddslacker, Ok, thanks, i'm going to try [10:17] maddslacker: lol [10:17] meh, too much work for custom kernel [10:18] Zordrak: :-) [10:18] ClaudioM, what was his suggestion re vga? [10:18] well, sometimes you want a custom kernel for what you need [10:18] like realtime for audio apps [10:18] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [10:18] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:18] maddslacker: he mentioned not needing to add the append line for modeset and just leaving vga as normal or extended [10:18] so I'm going to try that soon [10:19] let me check mine [10:19] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:19] W9ZEB (~lars@74.63.111.214) joined ##slackware. [10:20] so in my case I don't need the append=" vt.default_utf8=0" ? [10:21] oh that I left, but I was referring to the i915.modeset=1 option [10:21] I would leave that vt one in there [10:21] oh, I never had that entry anyway [10:21] ah ok [10:21] yeah, the vt one is the response to the utf8 console question in the initial setup/install [10:21] so I guess you can remove yours...heh [10:22] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:22] just changes my boot selection timeout from 2 mins to 3 secs [10:22] ugh, I guess I need to reinstall multilibs :( [10:23] Camarade_Tux: 8400GS [10:23] Camarade_Tux: sorry for the delay, I'm sort of afk :) [10:24] maddslacker: if it ain't broke... ;-) [10:25] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:25] niels_horn: and I'm wasting my time on a flash game, hadn't noticed the delay :P [10:25] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:25] niels_horn: I think that on newer cards (8xxx, 9xxx and maybe up), nouveau can't be considered reliable [10:26] niels_horn: snap [10:26] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.150.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:30] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:33] if i'm on latest current, do i have all this kms system by default? [10:34] trying to install slack64-13.0, I have the iso on a harddrive partition. mounted the harddrive, mounted iso in harddrive, tried to copy everything from the mounted iso to a dir on the hdd and it gave an I/O error.. what'd I do wrong? [10:34] I tried pointing the installer to the mounted iso and it just brings me back to the main setup menu [10:36] first, check the md5sum of the iso [10:36] be more specific on the "I/O error", and does dmesg show anything? [10:37] raendeer, also, where do you mount that hard drive and iso? [10:38] attempt to access beyond end of device; loop1: rw=0, want=229004, limit=1111744 [10:38] ClaudioM, I need multilibs for citrix client for work [10:38] cuz citrix is too lazy/stupid to release a 64bit version [10:38] how big is the file, and definitely check the md5 [10:38] didn't check the md5sum, so I can do that.. mounted /dev/sda2 to /mnt/hdd, mounted iso to /mnt/hdd/home/heather/tmp [10:39] oh, wait.. I bet that's the transfer I cancelled. no wonder.. thanks [10:39] :D [10:39] but [10:39] if you are installing slackware [10:39] do not mount stuff at /mnt [10:40] maddslacker: yeah I remember you mentioning that yesterday [10:40] that is where the root partition of your new install will be mounter [10:40] mounted [10:40] ah, really? okay, I'll fix all of that [10:41] Daniel (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: So long ... go easy. [10:41] so mount the partition anywhere else, "mkdir /packages" or whatever [10:41] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-205-014.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [10:41] /mnt will be used by the slackware installer [10:41] i think there is a file in /mnt saying go mount your stuff elsewhere [10:43] okay, mounted to /hdd instead and mounted the correct dvd.. thanks guys [10:43] allend (~allend@CPE-124-181-100-142.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:43] have fun [10:43] if i'm on latest current, do i have all this kms system by default? [10:44] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [10:45] LTL2h (~IV@AToulouse-258-1-111-240.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:46] is the Intel H55 integrated graphics supported on the pre-latest -current? I'm having "intel(0): no valid modes". [10:46] that's a chipset for i3 [10:47] mahrud (~mahrud@78.38.246.254) joined ##slackware. [10:47] slava_dp, huge or generic kernel? [10:47] huge one [10:47] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:47] zux1wrk, ^^ [10:48] people had some problems with intel and huge kernel [10:48] and fixed them by using generic [10:48] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] ok, I'll build a custom kernel. [10:48] Action: slava_dp doesn't like initrds. [10:48] mahrud (mahrud@78.38.246.254) left ##slackware. [10:48] i updated to generic immediately and had no problems [10:49] Action: W9ZEB will hopefully soon be a slacker. [10:49] slava_dp, i didn't like custom kernels too, but got used to them [10:49] unetbootin is workin.... [10:49] but might the H55 integrated card be too new for intel 2.8.1 driver? [10:50] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:50] slava_dp, did it work on 13, or earlier current? [10:50] biab [10:50] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.53) joined ##slackware. [10:51] I dunno, this is the -current of february (before the latest updates), and I just got the hardware yesterday. [10:52] oh [10:52] so the problem is with the 2.6.32.x kernel? [10:52] slava_dp, I have an intel card too [10:52] yes, 2.6.32.7 [10:52] you don't need a custom kernel, just generic [10:53] maddslacker, i don't think so, i think he's having a different problem [10:54] http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html [10:54] I'm considering if I should roll back all the way to slackware 13.0 or upgrade to the current -current. [10:55] i see a HD Intel® HD Graphics (used in 2010 Intel® CoreTM i3/i5/i7 Processor Series) [10:55] but i don't see a H55 there [10:56] what does lspci say excatly [10:56] ? [10:56] intel corporation clarkdale integrated graphics controller (rev 12). [10:57] this system is core i3. [10:58] blegh... after 5 hours of compiling go-openoffice for the new -current, and it's still compiling [11:01] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:02] zux1wrk, I don't know if KMS is enabled by default in the -current kernel, but I doubt it. I think the driver is still in staging in the kernel config. [11:02] telperion (~Adium@proxy4.unal.edu.co) joined ##slackware. [11:02] I don't trust that this is actually installing.. it has me select the packages, but then after a second it says it's done [11:03] zux1wrk, Oh, at least for radeon :-) For intel, it's probably enabled by default. You can always check 'dmesg', assuming you're already running -current. [11:03] telperion (Adium@proxy4.unal.edu.co) left ##slackware. [11:03] gonna reboot to the installer and try again.. maybe I messed something up [11:04] raendeer, i've seen it before when the installer can't find the directory and just shows the menu [11:05] the directory as in where the packages should be [11:05] rwerken: do I need to point it to the root of the iso, or to the root of slackware64/? [11:05] well, files pulled from iso [11:05] don't know for sure which one should be selected [11:06] guess I'll try them both [11:06] anyone here has a hp p1005? [11:07] trying to configure foo2zjs but no output [11:07] I'm sure I followed everything in the book [11:08] Help, I cannot start X after upgrading to slackware-current! [11:08] can anybody please tell me the lilo vga= value for 1280x1024 ? [11:08] 795 [11:08] thanks Zordrak :) [11:08] np :) [11:09] too bad there isn't a vga= value for 1366x768 [11:09] Action: W9ZEB whistles innocently [11:09] raendeer, if you mounted the iso on /hdd/ then you should tell the installer to go to /hdd/slackware64 [11:10] if it completed immediately then 100% it didn't install anything [11:10] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:10] i don't remember the reason for such behavior but i have had the installer do this too [11:11] Weird0ne (~rogue@70.46.163.29) joined ##slackware. [11:11] and if my memory is not playing tricks with me, i think it was because of wrong path given [11:11] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:11] yeah, I gave it the one above slackware64/ [11:11] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [11:12] raendeer, check if the packages are really there [11:12] alt+f2 and ls /hdd/slackware64/a/ [11:12] zux1wrk: they are [11:13] raendeer, what option for the install source did you select? [11:13] okay, I did it correctly now.. it's going [11:13] what was the mistake? [11:13] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-203-241.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:13] I pointed it to /hdd/heather/slack/ instead of /hdd/heather/slack/slackware64/ [11:14] adfdsfddssdf (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-rumpuatgckieqhnj) joined ##slackware. [11:15] how many threads should i set for make on an i3 dual core with hyper threading? :-) [11:15] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [11:15] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [11:15] i'm thinking -j7 [11:15] slava_dp, more than one .. heh [11:15] ick, you have to setup how many threads? or will it be nice and maybe default to something :P [11:16] -current is a buggy mess [11:16] adfdsfddssdf, so don't use it :-) [11:16] adfdsfddssdf: do you mean libpng? [11:16] no, not libpng [11:16] that was a symlink to fix [11:16] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.212) joined ##slackware. [11:16] k then, just making sure [11:16] der [11:16] adfdsfddssdf, switching to generic kernel cured my -current issues [11:17] adfdsfddssdf, no problems here on current [11:17] the libpng/gtk thing was just fixed yesterday, so I wasn't sure if you didn't have the -current before then and thus were having issues [11:17] the xorg doesnt work wit nvidia [11:17] adfdsfddssdf, yup, use trhe generic kernel [11:17] for that [11:17] i use 2.6.32 [11:17] stupid frigging megaraid card [11:17] that is not current then [11:18] follow the instructions in the readme in /boot [11:18] current has 2.6.33 [11:18] Action: slava_dp prefers 2.6.32 as it is long term support and is pretty stable. [11:19] slava_dp, then why are you on current? [11:20] Zordrak: lol [11:20] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:21] zux1wrk, well, I am on the february -current. which has 2.6.32. [11:21] dont upgrade [11:21] do upgrade [11:21] err downgrade [11:21] if it's not a server or something [11:22] it's my new machine at work. [11:22] Action: slava_dp is already building a custom generic-based 2.6.32.9 [11:22] servers shouldn't be running current.. [11:22] of course not [11:22] agentc0re: when i bought new, i bought 3ware.. this megaraid piece of shit has been supporting win2k3 for 3 years... im now reclaiming the whole box for slack.. but i cant do anything about the STUPID PIECE OF SHIT megaraid card [11:23] Zordrak: megaraid just sounds like a POS. i bet it's a fake raid card. [11:23] slackpkg glitched and upgrade my kde and xfce and qt when i told it not to [11:23] I dunno, 3ware stuff generally isn't "fakeRaid" [11:23] slava_dp, my choice is simple. i use stable releases on any machines i am not wanting to have problems [11:23] Zordrak: so you'd have to use dmraid which slack doesn't have iirc. [11:23] no its the proper job.. its an LSI SAS raid card with iBBU [11:24] zux1wrk, i just wanted kde4.3. so went with -current. [11:24] spoovy (~lukas@host81-141-249-27.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Zordrak: ah [11:24] agentc0re, how come slack doesn't have dm-raid? [11:24] W9ZEB: the OTHER ones are pre-lsi 3ware.. this pos is pure lsi crap [11:24] Zordrak: this card isn't the one for your raid61 is it? [11:24] you WANTED kde 4.3? [11:24] spoovy (lukas@host81-141-249-27.wlms-broadband.com) left ##slackware. [11:24] slava_dp, well i believe that if you are into current, you should be updating stuff [11:24] agentc0re: no.. theyre the good 3ware ones [11:24] adfdsfddssdf, yes. I like kde4. [11:24] There's nothing wrong with 4.3 [11:24] slava_dp: /shrug cuz setting shit up like that only leads to failure? [11:24] Zordrak: nod. [11:24] there was nothing wrong with 3.5 actually [11:25] Zordrak: we use some 3Ware devices. and a couple of actual LSI devices. [11:25] progressing backwards in the name of eyecandy [11:25] agentc0re, you can't make software raid on slackware? [11:25] the rest of our crap are PERC controllers. [11:25] (lsi by another name) [11:25] slava_dp: yes you can. mdadm is for software raid. [11:25] adfdsfddssdf, well if you don't like eyecandy, why don't you do like i do and just stick woth xfce [11:26] slava_dp: google dmraid, mdadm and lvm. you'll get a good idea about their differences. [11:26] agentc0re, i think he ment the fakeraid of the faikraid cards [11:26] slava_dp: might even find my LQ post about dmraid and how stupid it is to use it. :P IMO at least, ymmv. [11:26] i do use xfce, but the latest xfce packages...since 12.2 delete my iconset [11:26] they delete the rodent icons and replace them with a bunch of blue crap [11:27] so thats broken on my system now too t hanks to slackpkg :p [11:27] what I meant is mdadm. I don't yet know what dmraid is for. [11:27] adfdsfddssdf, looks like you should just stick with slackware 12.2... [11:27] i prefer icewm before than xfce [11:27] slava_dp: google it. :D [11:27] or 13.0 [11:27] slava_dp, of course you can use mdadm with slackware [11:27] hrm, is the number of penguins shown in framebuffer while booting the number of cores the computer has? [11:27] zux1wrk: i agree [11:27] yes [11:27] or phys procs if that's the case [11:28] raendeer, yes, how many do you have? [11:28] icewm + underground KDE/QT packages for some important KDE apps as djvuviewer, krusader, valgrind, etc. [11:28] ive already reinstalled twice because of the 13.0 and -current [11:28] i have seen a box with 8 penguines [11:28] although KDE/QT frameworks are resource-bloat, i'll need them [11:28] zux1wrk: 6 showed up, but I wonder if more are there (and more didn't show up due to size).. I know my one laptop showed one and second showed 2, but I didn't realize what they meant until now [11:29] oh, so dmraid is for the onboard raid on atx motherboards. I see. never used that, I thought these raids are too crappy. [11:29] zux1wrk: under centos (what I just removed), the box had 16 cores [11:29] 16 penguins? [11:29] wow [11:29] it didn't have penguins in centos [11:30] raendeer, if it's just the screen size, that doesn't let you see more penguines, try modifying /etc/lilo.conf [11:30] I assume if I configured hyperthreading corrently I could get 16 penguins? it's 2x quad core with hyperthreading cpus (intel xeon 5520) [11:30] zux1wrk: my last job i had two servers with dual quad's in them. [11:31] raendeer, yeah, you probably should [11:31] raendeer: possibly. never heard of the hyperthreaded quads though. [11:31] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] but i don't really understand why are you getting 6 penguins [11:32] can't check how many cores I have yet.. no initrd was made (or lilo didn't add it) so I got a kernel panic.. need to fix that first :P [11:32] why are children so stupid? [11:32] adfdsfddssdf: because theyre parents are stupid [11:32] *their [11:32] adfdsfddssdf, i think they are smarter than grownups [11:32] raendeer, I followed the readme in /boot this morning and it worked first try [11:32] agentc0re: the procs in this one are actually the low end hyperthreaded quads I believe (or the cheapest.. either way. still probably good) [11:33] if it werent for stupid children i guess we would all be out of jobs indirectly [11:33] maddslacker: I've made initrd's before. I don't remember if the installer did it right away.. maybe if I did an auto-lilo instead of advanced [11:33] raendeer, do you now how to deal with your booting problems? [11:33] raendeer: i'd make sure it's enabled in the bios. [11:33] raendeer, i think slackware installer doesn't do mkinitrd [11:33] zux1wrk: nah, I'll try to sort it myself then ask more specifically if I can't [11:34] agentc0re: 16 cores showed up in centos and I haven't touched the bios, so I think it is [11:34] raendeer: you can also put your slack disk back in, and mount your disk, chroot it. you'll need to mount proc and sysfs but then rerun lilo and see what's gubered. [11:34] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:34] raendeer: fair enough. :D [11:34] agentc0re: booting back up from the usb.. this box doesn't have a cd drive. it just takes forever to load the images off the usb [11:35] ah [11:35] raendeer, or, boot the install disc, and there are instructions how to boot your system right away [11:35] i do the same thing. [11:35] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:35] i have a nice usb key, i think the install is quit fast from it actually. [11:35] anyone had problems patching the nvidia drivers for 2.6.33 fix? [11:35] agentc0re, i would much rather trust mdadm then the onboard dmraid. [11:35] www.ratemynetworkdiagram.com LOL [11:35] slava_dp: :D good man! :D :D [11:35] agentc0re, lol [11:35] agentc0re: I booted from usb and installed from the hdd in the box. install took 5 minutes or less for a full [11:36] adfdsfddssdf (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-rumpuatgckieqhnj) left irc: Quit: Page closed [11:36] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30D6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:36] it just takes a bit to actually load the images [11:36] lol @ jeev [11:36] raendeer, network booting and installing is also a good choice [11:36] look at th e funny images [11:36] http://www.ratemynetworkdiagram.com/image_full.php?id=46 [11:36] jeev: http://www.ratemynetworkdiagram.com/?i=9693 blades and shit! [11:37] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:37] yea i saw that lol [11:37] raendeer, when you boot the loader, before you press enter [11:37] read the screen [11:38] http://www.ratemynetworkdiagram.com/?i=10993 [11:38] hahaha [11:38] sec-fu! [11:38] it has instructions how to boot your installed system with the installers kernel [11:38] yea i know [11:38] that usually works [11:38] zux1wrk: it'd be faster off of the hdd in it, I'd think [11:38] http://www.ratemynetworkdiagram.com/image_full.php?id=10499 [11:38] eh sort of funny [11:38] hi [11:38] hahahahahahah http://www.ratemynetworkdiagram.com/?i=10479 (FUTURE GROWTH) [11:39] tuxdev (~tim@adsl-75-15-152-118.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] tuxdev (~tim@adsl-75-15-152-118.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Changing host [11:39] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [11:39] I have install slackware encrypted [11:39] hahah [11:39] :D [11:39] maddslacker (corey@71-212-184-108.hlrn.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:39] sec0nd, me too [11:39] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31062.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:39] what an old site, icant believe i never seen it [11:42] AgentAnderson kicked me out of offtopic.. but I don't really get why when I only joined once.. [11:42] it claims join-part revolving door.. [11:42] tuxdev: it showed you quit/rejoin for changing host [11:42] also, agentanderson is evil [11:43] boo [11:43] fire|bird: [11:44] oh damnit, it did do something with the usb stick.. gah [11:44] tuxdev: ya, was doing it to me too. they have to fix it on the box. :/ [11:44] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:47] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.53) left ##slackware ("I have to re-boot."). [11:47] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-218-172.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [11:47] hi [11:48] i have a netbook with slack 13 and i get segmentation fault in /sbin/poweroff when shutting down, if i run /sbin/poweroff it doesnt appear only when poweroff is called [11:48] can u help please? other disributions shutdown clearly (like sysrescue cd which is based on gentoo) [11:48] The_ManU_212 (manu@port-92-200-218-172.dynamic.qsc.de) left ##slackware. [11:49] ... [11:49] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-218-172.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [11:49] thx for every help :) i wnt to go on using slavckware [11:50] tuxdev: ban is removed. [11:50] The_ManU_212, ok, as root, you run "/sbin/poweroff" and it just segfaults? [11:50] whee [11:51] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-73-47.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [11:51] thrice`: no if i runb "poweroff" it segfaults, "/sbin/poweroff" doesnt i reinstalled the package and i also checked the ram [11:52] I got my intel working using xf86-video-intel-2.7.1. but compositing in kde4 is disabled. do people have compositing on intel cards? [11:52] slava_dp, I do, but it only ran decently since kde 4.3 [11:52] Kamel- (klo_447@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:52] 4.2 *worked* , but not too usably [11:53] thrice`, i run 4.3. glxgears gives me 85 FPS o_O [11:55] Xaviertoor (~Xavier@189.52.126.232) joined ##slackware. [11:56] what does "Rebuilt. Now with less rat." from the changelog about libpng mean? [11:56] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:56] getting 2266FPS on -current [11:56] mental [11:57] ok, I might try a different intel driver then... or should I apply the latest -current updates... I fear problems a little, cause I need this box to work tomorrow. [11:57] Kamel- (klo_384@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] slava_dp, I've used compositing on an i915 in my laptop here. [11:58] Kaapa__ (~pedro@bl6-203-241.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:58] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:59] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-203-241.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:59] 85 fps on another driver version.... [12:00] The_ManU_212: poweroff is just a symlink to halt. you could try remaking it. /shrug [12:00] slava_dp, you can update libdrm, then mesa, then xf86-video-intel on your own [12:01] agentc0re: /shrug? [12:01] agentc0re: what can i do and why does it fail? [12:01] thrice`, I don't think rolling back to 13.0 will improve things? the drivers that work (on this february -current) give 85 fps. [12:03] slava_dp, 2.7.x wasn't in 13 :) [12:05] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] thrice`, yes it was. [12:07] i just don't know if the new 2.10.0 will work for me... damn. I should probably upgrade to the latest. [12:08] The_ManU_212: I told you what to do. [12:08] slava_dp, it should. the new x-server didn't do much for graphics. however, the new kernel + mesa + drm will improve stuff [12:09] agentc0re: how can i proof is the link is broken it seems allright and a symlink creates segmentation fault? [12:09] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-73-47.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:09] thrice`, kk, rsyncing :-) will report back tomorrow. [12:10] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [12:12] slava_dp, Could it be syncing to vblank? [12:13] 85 fps seems like too much of a nice round number to be a coincidence,. [12:13] adamk_, how do I check/prevent it? [12:13] also, windows lag and leave prints when dragged. [12:13] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:14] slava_dp, Check what 'xrandr' lists as your current mode and refresh rate. [12:14] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.210.112) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:15] adamk_, 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm [12:15] It might be configurable with driconf, if you have it installed. But I'm not 100% sure that's the case with the intel drivers and KMS. [12:15] I don't have kms. [12:15] slava_dp, Check the list of modes it gives. One should have a * or + next to it. [12:15] Ahhhh. [12:16] just trying to make it plain work. [12:16] Well then I'm fairly certain driconf would work to disable vblank. Assuming that's even the issue (which I'm beginning to think is not the case). [12:16] the display just really lags. :-/ [12:16] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.96.7) joined ##slackware. [12:18] I don't have driconf, and it's not on SBo.... [12:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:19] Hmmm... Sorry. I must have installed it manually. [12:19] Did you check the modes listed by xrandr to see what refresh rate you're using? [12:20] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:20] adamk_, no refresh rate.... 0.0 [12:21] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:21] kde also reports 0.0MHz [12:21] Errrr. [12:21] Well that's definitely bad. [12:21] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30D6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:23] adamk_, I'll go home now, I'm long over the end of the work day. will upgrade to the latest -current tomorrow, see what it brings. [12:23] thanks for the help. [12:23] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-218-172.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:23] Good luck. [12:23] Sure does sound like a faulty driver. [12:24] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [12:26] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[12:42] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-220.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:43] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:43] does slackpkg remove packages that are gone from slackware when doing upgrade-all? [12:44] no, there is a "clean-system" or so for that [12:45] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-22.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] thrice`, but will also try to remove my SBo packages, right? [12:46] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-52-75.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:47] yes [12:48] so i just deselect the sbo packages and that will remove the stale packages, right? [12:48] hmm [12:48] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:48] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:48] but what will happen if i do it after upgrade-all? [12:48] probably should have done it before [12:49] I think it prompts you to unselect them. you might be able to blacklist them all with a nice parsing of /var/log/packages/*SBo [12:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [12:51] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:55] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:56] yeah, it's probably a good idea to keep 2 packaging systems separated [12:56] if you follow -current, it's pretty easy to remove stuff as Pat does [12:57] from what is written in changelogs, right? [12:57] pfffff [12:59] indeed [13:00] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-82-20.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:00] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-134-143.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. 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[13:09] praedictus (1001@187-24-149-114.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:10] zux: *when* [13:10] Greetings everyone. [13:10] zux, it means, when Pat writes: "removed xf86-crappy-driver," you run "removepkg xf86-crappy-driver" too [13:11] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5E92.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:16] So, continuing my question from last night, has anybody on -current had issues with ssh? [13:17] thrice`, rworkman ok, got it. [13:17] phoenix^, nop, all good here [13:17] -current the latest round of updates? [13:17] phoenix^: no [13:17] jkwood, yes. [13:17] Ah, haven't upgraded yet. [13:18] phoenix^, i would probably look at how the packages were downloaded and installed [13:18] phoenix^: passphrase on the key that's "wrong" or the password is "wrong" ? [13:18] rworkman, yeah, says the passphrase is wrong, which I know it isn't. [13:18] rworkman, happens on both laptop and desktop -current [13:19] I searched online which lead me to openssl and gcc and it suggested running make test on openssl source, which I tried, and it failed. [13:19] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.18.166) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:20] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-35-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: brb [13:20] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [13:21] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:21] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cjvtstmutywydgyj) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [13:21] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:21] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.121.45) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Kamel- (klo_384@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:23] phoenix^: Link to the page that suggested this? [13:23] (just to get an idea of the problem) [13:24] finally fixed my nvidia problem! phew [13:25] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] rworkman, sure, this is an old post, but I get the same error when using ssh -vvvv, http://www.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.security.ssh/2003-01/0246.html [13:25] phoenix^, if that is a openssl and gcc problem, then strange you are the only one having them [13:26] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:26] antiwire1 (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:26] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Disconnected by services [13:26] Nick change: antiwire1 -> antiwire [13:26] antiwire (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [13:26] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:27] phoenix^, does that happen if you connect to whatever host, or just some? [13:27] Well, it seems to only be an issue with keys that have passphrases. [13:27] Kamel- (klo_549@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30D6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:28] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) joined ##slackware. [13:28] zux, I've only tried it with the one host, I ran in to this late last night, I was going to try and ssh from the desktop to laptop today and see what happens. [13:28] After slackpkg upgrade-all (current), huge smp 2.6.33 ... "No pre-built modules for: Slackware-Slackware linux-2.6.33-smp i686" ... then "missing file /lib/modules/2.6.33-smp/build/include/linux/autoconf.h" (dir exists, just no autoconf.h)... It looks like this is when my hcfpcimodem driver tries to load. (Same error when trying to recompile it). VirtualBox module recompiles ok though. 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[13:35] will try that for my problem brb [13:35] praedictus (1001@187-24-149-114.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:35] Just use the generic kernel; not sure it's the same issue, but the huge kernel has other problems anyway in -current [13:36] phoenix^: keep me informed [13:36] rworkman, will do, I'm just going to try ssh'ing from desktop to laptop and see if that works. [13:37] rworkman, it looks like that was the error I thought last night... turns out it was just the modem driver spewing the modules error, not the kernel/init itself. [13:39] hrm, I have 16 cores but only 6 penguins.. maybe the screen isn't large enough [13:39] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:39] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:40] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: off to generic [13:40] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. 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[13:55] NM seems to want it [13:55] praedictus (1001@187-24-149-114.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:55] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:56] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:56] Nick change: suid0_ -> suid0 [13:56] NaCl: did you quit the wicd team? or just checkin out the competition? :p [13:56] just checking it out. I can build it, i just doesn't seem to want to run [13:56] SlashQuit, No problem. Glad to help. I was stumped by that, too, when trying to get vmware working. [13:56] its should be in gconf. just a guess [13:57] brainvision (~brainvisi@host133-58-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:57] what about vmware? [13:57] NaCl: never heard of it; it' snot part of gconf?? [13:57] it is [13:57] It just vanished from my package? [13:58] No, NM is being dumb [13:58] oh network manager? [13:58] Could not send message to gconf daemon: Failed to execute program /usr/libexec/gconfd-2: Success [13:58] Action: NaCl scratches his head [13:58] lol [13:59] failblog entry #25432503603561052 :P [13:59] Oh. [13:59] Action: NaCl knows why this is happening [13:59] alienBOB: ping [14:00] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:00] turns out the 32-bit gconfd overwrote the 64-bit gconfd [14:00] hahahaha [14:00] nacl, how'd you manage that? [14:01] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [14:01] I had a 32-bit gconf to compile chromium [14:02] there's no 64-bit chromium yet? [14:02] There is. [14:02] I was compiling it for a 32-bit machine [14:02] i like how the failures message ends with "Succuess" [14:02] oh x-compile [14:02] yeah [14:02] hackedhead, it succesfuly failed [14:03] and that's a hard thing to do... takes lots of practice :) [14:03] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Necos: not really, i've been doing it plenty lately [14:05] you get your "succeeds at failing" merit badge then... [14:06] jg71 (~edud@94.229.77.218) joined ##slackware. [14:06] jg71 (~edud@94.229.77.218) left irc: Changing host [14:06] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [14:06] hackedhead: I got that with chm2pdf earlier. [14:07] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:12] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:13] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [14:13] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:14] Axius (~fd@92.84.4.60) joined ##slackware. [14:16] i wonder what they changed in this version of k9copy from 2.3.3 [14:17] Nick change: raph0x88_ -> raph0x88 [14:17] it doesnt copy anymore, it just pastes [14:18] hehe [14:19] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-220.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[15:00] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:01] my finger :) [15:01] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [15:01] anyone happens to have problems with iwlagn with kernel 2.6.33? [15:01] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:01] looks so damn unstable compared to .32-x [15:02] Kaapa: details? [15:02] Kaapa: which card? [15:02] Kaapa: do you use wicd with that card? [15:02] joshyro (~josh@187.136.20.107) joined ##slackware. [15:03] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Hello! [15:03] hi [15:04] rworkman: so I can build NM, I can install NM, same with it's applet, but it stubbornly just throws out authentication [15:04] i.e. it "almost connects" and fails repeatedly [15:05] Action: jkwood votes that the NM project gets scrapped [15:05] I've compiled the kernel 2.6.33 but I cant get the ath5k driver working =(, I can scan, but I can get acces conection. [15:05] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:06] joshyro: can't? [15:06] NaCl: are you using networkmanager-*kde* by any chance? [15:06] no [15:06] just nm? [15:06] the gnome applet [15:06] pupit: I cant, if I do, iwconfig I can see: wlan0 Link encap: Ethernet [15:06] ok, cause gnome is better than kde from my experience [15:06] Yeah. [15:07] It prompts me for the correct information. [15:07] watching the output of wpa_cli tells me that something is probably wrong internally. [15:08] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:08] joshyro: do you use wicd? [15:09] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:09] no Im not use it... [15:09] joshyro: why not? [15:10] pupit: okay, Im gonna install it!.. give a few seconds... [15:11] joshyro: it needs python [15:11] yes, and a bunch of other python stuff [15:11] NaCl: libraries? [15:11] yeah. [15:12] NaCl: but it solves so many problems with wifi, people who wrote it are genius... [15:13] hello [15:13] pupit: NaCl wrote it [15:13] parts of it. [15:14] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] the parts i use:) [15:14] The only big thing I added was wicd-curses. :P [15:14] after a while, people asking for proper setup of their wifi cards will be asked do they consider installing wicd :) [15:14] I can do it fine from manual commands w/o wicd. [15:15] Actually, I just had to because my test NM install hates me. [15:15] NaCl: and what is actualy wicd-curses? :) [15:15] terminal client for wicd [15:16] which reminds me, last night I was at the lax noc and was using wicd to connect to the ap - there were 2 ap's on channel 6, I initially connected to one to get email for connecting to our ap (the other channel 6), and when I tried to change connections, wicd kept saying it was tryint to connect to the first ap instead of the one I had clicked 'connect' on [15:16] alisonken1home: I think someone reported that bug. [15:16] ap #1 was the local company's noc ap, and ap #2 was our ap that we just installed last week [15:16] sounds good [15:16] alisonken1home: I had that problem few times too [15:17] NaCl: good question about libexec [15:17] What package was hurting you? [15:17] alisonken1home: wicd is not bugproof. :P [15:17] alisonken1home: gconf [15:17] NaCl, there is that :) [15:17] alienBOB: rather [15:17] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:17] and I think I may have fubar'd something there. [15:18] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:18] alisonken1home: do you have only one profile, like "default" or do you have saved wpa passwords for some aps? [15:19] NaCl: but gconf is a gnome program... no wonder it barfed after conversion ;-) [15:19] :P [15:19] Axius (~fd@92.84.4.60) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:19] joshyro (~josh@187.136.20.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:19] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] alienBOB: either way, the gconfd in one package overwrote the other [15:19] Which may have been my fault. [15:19] Hmm [15:20] I may have not converted it. [15:20] pupit: manual connection settings for each different ap since I also have to use a tunnel after connect [15:20] I already removed the package. :/ [15:20] cd .. [15:20] ap#1 was using wpa and ap#2 was using wpa2 (which I had problems trying to connect to anyway) [15:20] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:21] alisonken1home: looks like I wiped it out. [15:21] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-220.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:21] tab fail [15:21] alienBOB: rather [15:21] NaCl: convertpkg removes the 32bit libexec stuff..! [15:21] alienBOB: yeah. [15:22] Look for the lines after "# Remove stuff we only want from the 64-bit package" [15:22] WHich implies that I messed something up. [15:22] Sorry. [15:22] No problem [15:22] Maybe it's in the doinst.sh script? 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[15:26] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:27] pupit: I was checking the config file after each change, so the correct one was getting the change, just that wicd was displaying the wrong ap as the one being connected to [15:27] where should I set the global path? should I make an /etc/bashrc? [15:27] alisonken1home: same here [15:28] raendeer: /etc/profile [15:28] sahk0: thanks [15:28] hans (500@94.196.129.75.threembb.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:29] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:32] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [15:32] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:32] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:34] rv2733 (rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:35] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [15:36] raendeer: read the end of /etc/profile and see if you notice a better solution than editing /etc/profile directly. [15:36] http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/03/refreshing-the-ubuntu-brand/ [15:37] what do you know, new theme is 3 round buttons, on the left side of the border :p [15:37] how can i get a filesystem that will overlap a filesystem and save all changes to another directory. maybe aufs or unionfs, if so how do I install aufs? [15:37] squash with jffs overlays [15:37] sec0nd: look at the openwrt project for examples [15:38] rworkman: I don't see which you could be refering to. do you mean the profile scripts? 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[15:41] that is exactly what i suggested [15:41] openwrt does just that with the flash of the router [15:41] alisonken1home: but what is wrong with just editing profile.d directly? since I just wanted to add /usr/local/genome/bin to the path [15:41] antiwire: but i need this for a system [15:41] so? [15:41] raendeer: because /ett/profile may get overwritten when package aaabase is updated - so you lose your changes [15:41] Look at the openwrt setup for an example [15:42] if you're trying to do this for / you'll probably need to learn about siwtchroot too [15:42] or pivotroot [15:42] antiwire: i am but its telling me how to setup the openwrt system for the router [15:42] dude [15:42] its for a users home directory [15:42] example. [15:43] alisonken1home: oh, I didn't realize that.. thanks [15:43] you the openwrt project's work as an example to see how they did it and adapt. [15:43] you/use [15:43] i'm looking [15:44] NaCl: yes, I do use wicd. [15:44] Camarade_Tux: it's a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] [15:44] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:45] lukas (~lukas@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:45] raendeer: /etc/profile won't be overwritten, but you *will* have manually check the existing file and the new file installed by package updates. It's just easier (and makes more sense) to drop a standalone (and sensibly named) script in /etc/profile.d and make it executable [15:46] sec0nd: you're wanting something like unionfs, it seems. [15:46] rworkman: and in the script just have export PATH="$PATH:/append/to/path"? with the appropriate header [15:47] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:47] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:47] rworkman: yes I am but I'm still trying to figure out where to get aufs and install it [15:48] raendeer: yes, exactly. [15:49] sec0nd: good luck. I've never messed with any of those types of filesystems outside of a livecd (where the work was already done) [15:49] linuxnub (~root@ool-45770996.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] hey [15:49] windows is somuch better than linux [15:50] lukas (~lukas@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:50] just admit it.. [15:50] so? [15:50] fail trool fails [15:50] do it [15:50] sounds like trolling wanting to be /ignored [15:50] admit it... [15:50] irc'ing as root and trolling [15:50] alisonken1home: *shiver* [15:50] what else can you do [15:50] install windows [15:51] why not go to your favorite windows channel and spout linux is better? [15:51] i tried to join #windows [15:51] but has to be invited for some reason [15:51] got banned for trolling? [15:51] have* [15:51] no [15:51] now what [15:52] why do i need an invite [15:52] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:52] rworkman: Have I told you lately how much I admire you? [15:52] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] lier, you were banned from ##windows. ##windows: ban *!*@ool-45770996.dyn.optonline.net [by KB1JWQ!~KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq, 520 secs ago] [15:53] linuxnub: because of trolls like you [15:53] anywhoo [15:54] why is slackware performing so poorly compared to other distro's [15:54] folks, please just ignore him. [15:54] hi linuxnub [15:54] sup [15:54] nmu [15:54] nmu? [15:54] not much you? [15:54] fine [15:54] BP{k}: thanks - I just happened to look in time to see that last comment and almost responded [15:54] using slackware and loving how its soooooo much better than windows [15:54] linuxnub: Didn't we JUST talk about this? [15:55] lol [15:55] rk4n3: np. [15:55] mk [15:55] it's YOU [15:55] everybody ignore him [15:55] Action: linuxnub ducks [15:55] everybody [15:55] I need to install aufs can someone help me? [15:55] lol how could everybody ignore [15:55] linuxnub: It's actually me. [15:55] sec0nd: unless you need to do something that sucks on linux [15:55] because you told them to? [15:55] straterra: ? [15:55] straterra: hi5 [15:56] XD [15:56] -.- [15:56] K? I LOVE morse code. [15:57] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:57] sec0nd: http://www.linux-live.org/ [15:57] spoovy (~spoov_@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] Nick change: sahk0 -> slackwarebunny [15:57] Orly. [15:57] I'd choose ubuntu over slackware tho [15:57] and windows 7 over ubuntu [15:57] sec0nd: what was confusing? [15:58] what are you talking about straterra [15:58] OP [15:58] I'm talking about things that Linux isn't suited for? [15:58] like gaming [15:59] Bullbutter. [15:59] or office applications [15:59] I wouldn't say Slackware is 100% better than anything..it has its own strength and weaknesses [15:59] jkwood: it doesn't teach you how to do aufs [15:59] what's the strength of slackware? [15:59] what office app isn't linux suited to? [15:59] I switched to Linux for gaming because it offers better performance than windows. [15:59] sec0nd: It mentions it. [15:59] Gary (gary@freenode/staff/colchester-lug.gary) joined ##slackware. [15:59] jkwood: and thats all it does [16:00] I'd choose MS Office 2007 over OpenOffice [16:00] PCs are not meant for gaming; how silly [16:00] jkwood: You can't use Linux for competitive, professional gaming [16:00] thrice`: well then explain..why do a lot of PC users game [16:00] thrice`: yup, they're for pron :-) [16:00] they're confused [16:00] and why does Nvidia exist [16:00] and Ati [16:00] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:00] Nick change: slackwarebunny -> sahk0 [16:00] gpgpu [16:00] of course, one needs graphics cards to use a PC [16:00] they make cards for gaming [16:01] linuxnub: anything worthwhile to say? [16:01] straterra: Not in all cases, granted, but I could see running Wow in a tournament through Wine. [16:01] linuxnub: Please see my PM. [16:01] ???? [16:01] because silly people buy them, of course :> [16:01] alienBOB: <3 [16:01] please letme have a peaceful conversation [16:01] damn hiks [16:01] jkwood: WoW...maybe, WoW runs great in Wine [16:01] ah, meaning of life, life of brian, pythons.. [16:01] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:01] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:01] Source based games don't though [16:01] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [16:01] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [16:01] thanks. [16:01] I've been CAL disqualified because Wine didn't run the anti-cheat software perfectly [16:01] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@ool-45770996.dyn.optonline.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:01] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) joined ##slackware. [16:01] linuxnub kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Suck on this baby [16:02] well that was fun to watch [16:02] \o/ [16:02] Poof [16:02] I can unban him iff y'all want [16:02] XD [16:02] NO :P [16:02] hahaha, god no ^^ [16:02] I did not think he was fun but did not want to spoil the game [16:02] well, he was geting boring at the end when he ran out of things to say [16:03] his troll powers ran out I guess [16:03] I gave him a month to un-become a linux nub [16:03] straterra: I can see that. There's certainly god and bad things. They broke compatibility with alot of my software for work a while back, and I haven't bothered to find what broke it to fix it. [16:04] s/god/good/ [16:06] SteveJ (~root@cpe-024-074-172-178.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] KB1JWQ: i'm doing your sister [16:06] heh [16:06] Wow [16:07] So what are you doing here [16:07] what [16:07] having a convo idiot [16:07] SteveJ: While using Slackware? [16:07] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:07] If not, you're off topic. [16:07] it's an hijacked one [16:07] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.carolina.res.rr.com' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [16:07] SteveJ kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: SteveJ [16:08] Also logged on as root... must have been linuxnub [16:08] Any bets who he comes back as? [16:08] Yeah. [16:08] thats a wide ban [16:08] Yeah. [16:08] I'd remove that ban. [16:08] He's off now. [16:08] Hah, it was you who banned him in #windows [16:08] alienBOB: And ##linux [16:08] But not with that banmask. :-) [16:08] Tsk [16:08] alienBOB: lol [16:08] sec0nd: http://urlx.eu/_NDAzMw This is the aufs readme, and should cover everything you need to know. [16:08] I just put a better one in the bot. Remove it and let him rejoin. :) [16:09] how to make IE user to switch to Firefox? make a web based game which only works in it. [16:09] *@cpe-024-074-172-178.carolina.res.rr.com ##slackware Apparently your dad was doing *your* sister, who is also your mom. [16:09] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.carolina.res.rr.com' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [16:09] XD [16:10] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:10] rworkman: were you also responsible for "now with less rat" in the changelog? [16:10] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:10] sahk0: no; pure pat for less rat. [16:11] Pat is the exclusive author of the ChangeLog.txt [16:11] so Pat has a decent sense of humor as well :) [16:11] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:11] You only see a fraction of it [16:11] i know :/ [16:11] I'm pretty sure he was the one who started the lemon thing, if I remember correctly. [16:12] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] lemon thing? or lemon party thing? [16:12] Action: alienBOB loves his bread with lemon curd [16:12] I was threatened with a ban for mentioning lemons.. [16:12] I still have freds beautiful lemon logo [16:12] and limes too o.O [16:12] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:12] straterra: I remember that. Dark days in ##. [16:13] But the lemons have come back in full force. [16:13] jkwood: I just stay away from citrus fruits now [16:13] Yes, the channel has gone to shit. Practically anarchy here now. Damn lazy ops. [16:13] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:13] rworkman: You're telling me! [16:13] I was. [16:13] :D [16:13] ;) [16:13] hans (500@94.196.129.75.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:14] jikjtzzf (~edud@94.229.77.218) joined ##slackware. [16:15] rworkman: I like to think there was a bloody coup in my absence. 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[16:21] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Hilbert (~root@ip-109-90-211-105.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [16:22] how do I install Windows? [16:22] Action: Hilbert giggles [16:23] lots of caulk [16:23] and panes [16:23] makes sense [16:23] thanks [16:23] np [16:24] CodeSYS (~CodeSYS@dsl093-061-084.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:24] rworkman: I FEEL SO IGNORED [16:24] cut your wrists [16:24] and get it over with [16:24] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:24] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@ip-109-90-211-105.unitymediagroup.de' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [16:24] Hilbert kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: Hilbert [16:24] All I have is a roll of paper towels and a rolling pin. [16:25] How many computers does nhe own or hi-jacked? 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[16:29] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@cpe-74-79-164-63.twcny.res.rr.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:29] terrestrialBawb kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Booooring [16:29] hmmmmm [16:29] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:29] pretty insistant [16:29] bye test34 [16:29] ops [16:29] Yeah I think I'll leave him in the next time, for your amusement [16:30] bye terrestrialBaw [16:30] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:30] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [16:30] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: fui [16:30] alienBOB: I'm not sure I can turn this one insane. You have to have a mind first, and I just don't think he's so equipped. [16:31] hcfd (~fed@host86-140-249-55.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Didn't slackboy used to ban anyone who logged in as root? Like, last week? [16:32] yeah [16:32] I think people complained that that was not nice [16:32] I have a an issue installing Slack13 - I have a SATA DVD drive and the setup will not recognize it when everything is setup and ready to install. [16:33] Actually, I didn't remove that; I just edited the ban msg. Maybe I screwed up. [16:34] abiko: Are you getting a specific error? [16:34] checked the dmesg and it isn't even adding the DVD drive [16:34] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:35] I have also 2 SATA drives which are recognized and added [16:35] tried mounting /dev/sdc but no luck [16:36] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:36] It should automatically recognize it, given that you have to have the dvd mounted in order to run setup. [16:37] test [16:37] what was that website that has a lot of quotes from ##slackware? [16:37] i gotta bookmark it [16:37] tset [16:37] Alicee (~root@c-67-173-160-180.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] noobfarm [16:37] Fatalnix: noobfarm.org [16:37] ooh yeah [16:37] spoovy (~spoov_@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [16:37] should I boot the drive with "CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y " ? [16:37] thanks :) [16:37] spoovy (~spoov_@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Alicee (root@c-67-173-160-180.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [16:38] In some cases on another distro, we had to use nodma ... or there's another one for some .. dell's I think. [16:38] Shouldn't have to. I installed off a SATA dvd drive the other day. 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[16:49] OK, errors: [16:50] Failed to load ATAPI AN (err_mask=0x4) [16:50] Failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x40) [16:53] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:53] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-220.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:53] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:53] OK ERROR COMPUTAR [16:53] GOTO 0 [16:53] ? [16:54] :P [16:55] Xaviertoor (~Xavier@189.52.126.232) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:56] Xaviertoor (~Xavier@189.52.126.232) joined ##slackware. [16:56] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:56] i wished the answers to that noobfarm link were available as well [16:57] answers? [16:58] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Saindo [16:58] were they real questions?? flippin ell [16:58] You know I noticed I'm somehow in #overflow [16:58] yes [16:58] well i dont' know [16:59] lol [16:59] never had any success with that arm toolchain [17:00] hans (500@94.196.239.83.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:00] they could be and i'm kinda thinking of ways to answer that question and they all seem to be ... run tcpdump/wireshark except the last question where it is forbidden explicitely [17:01] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [17:01] praedictus (1001@189.66.159.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [17:02] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-168-6.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. 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[17:46] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:49] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:50] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Hehehe... just noted that I've been quoted on noobfarm. I that an honor? Or should I be ashamed? :D [17:51] probably depends on what the quote was. :) [17:51] Something silly, but it was completely true at that moment: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1857# [17:51] yours is just funny, not in a noob way, nothing bad [17:51] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:52] unlike http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1855 [17:52] Some of the quotes on noobfarm are fabulous :) [17:52] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:52] nooper: hehe [17:53] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:53] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [17:53] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Client Quit [17:54] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] spoovy (~spoov_@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [17:55] spoovy (~spoov_@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:55] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.22.126) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:01] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:02] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@ool-45770996.dyn.optonline.net expired. [18:02] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@ool-45770996.dyn.optonline.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:02] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:02] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.212) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [18:03] alienBOB: here? [18:03] rworkman, ping [18:03] Yes, but busy [18:03] And full of alcohol [18:03] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:04] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Which is the state in which I produce the best Slackware stuff [18:04] i'm the one who commented about kde4.4.0 keyboard layotu and windows live problem.. just upgraded to 4.4.1.. all is fine. thakn you and have a nice trip :) [18:04] rworkman, alienBOB, seems to be a problem with curl in current linking against wrong version openldap libs. Pastebin of ldd etc: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/cEUIM313.html [18:05] alienBOB: hah [18:06] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:06] CtrlAltCa: new KDE 4.4 you say? [18:06] Action: NaCl wgets [18:06] Oh, wait, need to flashgot. [18:06] bah [18:06] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [18:06] I didn't think 4.4.1 was out yet. [18:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:06] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:06] dive we know [18:07] NaCl: right [18:07] CtrlAltCa: good to hear! Thanks [18:07] jkwood: released yesterday [18:07] abiko (asd@dh207-5-99.xnet.hr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:07] Working on mkinitrd while drunk... you will love it when it gets released [18:07] alienBOB: and this depends on the stuff in -current right now, right? [18:08] NaCl: exactly. Read my blog post [18:08] Ah, that would explain why I missed it. [18:08] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:08] alienBOB, ok thanks. [18:08] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:08] I should probably look at its RSS feed [18:08] I'm finally updating, and it's taking a looooooooooooong time, almost 30 minutes my computer has been upgrading /o\ [18:09] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-177.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:10] hmm, anyone knows why setserial wont compile on 64bit current ? [18:10] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:10] mario: show us your error [18:10] telperion (~Adium@186.28.145.193) joined ##slackware. [18:10] sec [18:11] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [18:11] telperion (Adium@186.28.145.193) left ##slackware. [18:11] CtrlAltCa: http://pastebin.com/qfdby5XF [18:12] that means I can't upgrade my desktop to 4.4.1 w/o recompiling everything... [18:12] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:12] Which I may do anyway... [18:12] Action: NaCl sighs [18:12] same version compiled fine before this last update (the huge one that had issues with png) [18:14] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:15] i should mybe point out that i only have fred's 32bit-compat installed here ,so its possible somethng was overwritten, but 32bit shouldnt be an issue anyway.. ? [18:16] You should run it with LDFLAGS="-L/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX} -L/usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX}" [18:16] 32-bit compat libs can sometimes fake out software build systems. [18:17] ok true, lets see [18:17] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [18:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] no difference actual [18:18] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:18] mario: I assume here that LIBDIRSUFFIX is set somewhere in the SlackBuild. Also, be sure to run it with ARCH=x86_64 [18:18] this is actualy orignal util-linux slackbuild [18:18] so i wonder why it wont work, as everything else compiles fine [18:19] mario: Can you paste the contents of the SlackBuild? [18:19] Action: jkwood knows a few tricks [18:19] spoovy (~spoov_@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [18:19] zux1wrk (~zux@mpe-25-196.mpe.lv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:20] spoovy (~spoov_@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] its official, and original slackbuild, i didnt modify it [18:20] sec i iwll get a link [18:20] spoovy (~spoov_@host81-141-249-45.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:21] ftp://ftp.slackware.at/slackware64-current/source/a/util-linux-ng/util-linux-ng.SlackBuild [18:21] thats it [18:21] nite [18:21] also i found a bug in it [18:21] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [18:21] this wont work, because that path doesnt exist: cp -p /usr/share/libtool/config.{guess,sub} . [18:22] this however does work, but im unsure if its good: cp -p /usr/share/libtool/config/config.{guess,sub} . [18:22] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] arescorpio (~arescorpi@190.30.13.175) joined ##slackware. [18:25] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@ip-109-90-211-105.unitymediagroup.de expired. [18:25] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@ip-109-90-211-105.unitymediagroup.de' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:25] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:26] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:30] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@cpe-74-79-164-63.twcny.res.rr.com expired. [18:30] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@cpe-74-79-164-63.twcny.res.rr.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:32] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:32] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:32] mario: You might try http://p.linode.com/3550 to see if it helps any. [18:33] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:33] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:34] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [18:34] ok its building, lets see what happens when it comes to setserial.. :) [18:35] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [18:35] do these prices seem fair to you guys ? [18:35] http://maine.craigslist.org/sys/1627192960.html [18:35] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:36] jkwood: same thing [18:37] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [18:37] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:213:10ff:fe89:d22) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:37] Odd. [18:38] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] i ended up using this in untar-ed /tmp/setserial... : gcc -g -O2 -DHAVE_ASM_IOCTLS_H=1 -I. setserial.c -o setserial [18:39] Razec (1000@187-27-236-184.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:39] and it produces same error [18:39] i guess theres an issue with gcc-4.4.3 ? [18:39] 4.3.3 on slack 13.0 compiles it just fine [18:40] Is the patch to setserial working? [18:40] yeah [18:40] hunks succeed [18:40] but patch is apparently just for rc.setserial [18:42] toastytoast, why do you want to buy that trash [18:43] i'm selling it [18:43] :( i didn't think it was overpriced [18:43] Action: jkwood chuckles [18:43] and everyhting i'ms elling is wokring [18:43] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:43] you sjut like shot an arrow through my sould and eat it for breakfast [18:43] :p [18:44] jk but srsly did you really think the stuff was that expensive? [18:44] i mean this one guy is selling a 20gb for 7bucks on there the mobo cost like 150 online [18:44] laptop screens useualy run from 100 to 200 [18:45] the optical drive and keyboard cost me like 30-40 bucks each for them [18:45] i think 15 bucks each is pretty cheap [18:46] arescorpio (~arescorpi@190.30.13.175) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:47] seriosly tho? you really thought it was junk or overpriced meh [18:47] SOLD! [18:47] lol [18:47] jkwood: oh wow, setserial 2.17 is form "2000-02-09" [18:47] to the guy in the pink shirt [18:47] with flowers. [18:47] guess if no one seems interested in the enxt week or so i'll lower the price [18:47] lol kidding [18:48] sorry [18:48] altho i thought them pretty decent already [18:48] meh we'll see what ahppens i guess [18:49] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] toastytoast: cool! sounds good to me (but i'm not in the market :/ ) [18:50] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:52] i sjut found the coolest free thing on craigs lsit [18:52] http://maine.craigslist.org/zip/1625970329.html [18:52] Free failed anti-gravity machine experiment (Bangor) [18:52] FUKCING EPIC [18:53] sorry for the caps [18:53] haha, that looks like a stack of CD's [18:56] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:57] fuuuuuuuuuu [18:57] I did the same mistake: I ran slackpkg clean-system and *unselected* the packages I wanted to keep [18:58] Correct [18:58] You need to unselect the packages you want to keep. The selected packages will be removed [18:59] bah, I meant the opposite [18:59] and I did the opposite [18:59] Camarade_Tux: been there, done that... :) [18:59] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] Action: Camarade_Tux thinks he need some sleep [19:00] going to see how fast I can compile webkit-gtk first however :-) [19:00] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [19:00] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Greetings Prrograms! [19:01] hi NyteOwl =) [19:01] hi Ca [19:01] goarilla (~goarilla@208.88-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:01] hi Camarade_Tux [19:02] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:04] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:06] "HTML5 ruby support" [19:06] WTF? [19:06] goarilla (~goarilla@216.188-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [19:06] RAWR MAH PROGRAMS WILL TAKE OVER TEH WEBS [19:07] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [19:07] ah, not the programming language hopefully [19:07] some typographical thing [19:08] I do all my programming in Ruby. I won't know what you're talking about. [19:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_character [19:10] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:10] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.33.215) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:11] I think I'm going to convert a complete Slackware system from sh and bash scripting to ruby. [19:12] jkwood, nginx+ruby+ror+jvm+jruby+jetty+jdbc-pgsql+postgresql+... is a good idea. [19:12] jkwood: well, tell me when it works ok ;-) [19:14] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.49.182) joined ##slackware. [19:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:18] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:35] i prefer sudomakemeasandwich [19:36] sahk0: haha, that's pretty good too [19:36] out of curiosty [19:36] whats further along the nouveau of radonhd? [19:36] manwichmakeameal: i can't remember who (but yes) [19:37] Cann0n maybe [19:37] Camarade_Tux is using nouveau [19:37] As I understand, RadeonHD is 'deprecated'. [19:37] oh :P [19:37] well, i was just curious how everyone was liking it. i had some problems with the binary drivers and xen, and i want to try out xen [19:37] Perhaps not. [19:38] how is it deprecated if it isn't even finished yet? [19:38] yes, byteframe it is [19:38] I'm not sure really. Perhaps the thrust is just on the other driver. [19:38] Action: Camarade_Tux hides [19:38] that seems odd [19:38] afaik, radeonhd only needs to be used for hdmi audio and the like [19:39] manwichmakeameal: what's the link between xen and nvidia hardware? [19:39] toastytoast: I think ati/radeon is the way to go now but I'm not sure [19:39] ATI cards seem harder to support, too many new cards. nvidia tends to ride out their architectures for years with unified driver. [19:39] I think radeonhd has some advantages over radeon/ati for some cards however [19:39] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:39] don't know. i do know that when i first put 13.0 on my machine and tried to install the binary drivers it kept complaining that they couldn't install on a xen kernel [19:40] stills eems odd if radeonhd is still under dev for radeon hd+ then how is it depricated :( this confuses me [19:40] Nick change: lf4 -> timecube [19:40] that's why i'm curious how everyone is liking the nouveau drivers [19:41] I've yet to try them. [19:41] like radeonhd doesn't support 3d for my 4650 yeet but neither does radeon/ati [19:41] Nick change: timecube -> lf4 [19:42] like i know radeon/ati works well atleast for my friends x1350 [19:42] except if he tries to playa game it either locks up or the screen jsut goes blank [19:42] manwichmakeameal: ah [19:43] here's my post about nvidia and xen from lq: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/nvidia-linux-x8664-185.18.14-driver-current64-732493/ [19:43] manwichmakeameal: the kernel for xen is quite different from "standard" kernels and that's really not surprising [19:43] don't know if nouveau would work better [19:43] you need the xen guys to support nouveau, not the opposite [19:43] well, i'm just curious about the performance people are getting from nouveau [19:44] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:44] with latest xorg-server (1.7.5), it should be good [19:44] i'm thinking about moving from the binary driver to nouveau [19:44] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:44] my computer with nouveau still has an older xorg-server (1.6) [19:44] what's nouveau? [19:44] i'm still running 1.6 as well [19:45] manwichmakeameal: I'd say they're definitely worth a try but they're not guaranteed [19:45] eldragon: opensource driver for nvidia cards [19:45] how about stability? [19:45] good for me [19:45] i think i might give them a try then [19:45] eldragon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouveau_(graphics) [19:46] had a crash with external displays but I have a 13 days uptime on my laptop [19:46] (which is no crash, regular shutdown) [19:46] do you happen to know how it handles multiple cards and multiple monitors? [19:46] however, I think you can't use nouveau with -current right now, you need a kernel that isn't even yet available [19:46] the nouveau guys broke compat [19:47] well, you can't use the userland in X with the kernel code IIRC [19:47] console would work well however [19:47] and which card btw? [19:48] 9600gso times 2 [19:48] sli [19:48] hmmm [19:48] not worried about sli or anything like that though [19:48] just want both monitors to work [19:49] I think you'll hit a bug in which your computer boots up using the vga/vesa drivers for output and the switch to nouveau later on would freeze the computer [19:49] nouveau is working pretty well but still has quirks [19:49] I hope it still gets included in next kernel but blacklisted by default [19:50] so even if i boot to runlevel 4 with just 1 monitor, then use xrandr to bring up the other one? [19:51] I was using nouveau over a year ago before they started to require you follow their own kernel tree which I didn't want to do for stability reasons and multiple displays was working great [19:51] I've had a few problems with it in the latest code but I was running an old xorg-server which wasn't advised by the nouveau developpers [19:52] really, you have to try to know: it works pretty well but not always [19:52] cool, i think i'll give it a go. [19:53] :-) [19:53] and now, time to see why these kernels aren't booting =/ [19:53] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:54] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:55] 2.6.33 has hdmi audio support for radeon driver. [19:56] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. 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[20:03] manwichmakeameal: hplip, though hp-setup, should download the correct one [20:04] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [20:06] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] strange, I just now found out that screen's hardstatus line and mplayer conflict (it pauses the music just like entering copy-mode or xoff/xon) [20:07] i just noticed that the nouveau drivers are enabled by default with the 2.6.33 generic config from slack [20:07] how to fix "no valid modes for" any resolution higher than 1024x768 in Xorg? [20:07] crap, I knew kernel 2.6.33 was going to cause me a problem, I had noticed it during the -rc stage but had absolutely no time to report it [20:07] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:08] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:08] still have to try slackware's stock kernel instead of my own-compiled one but that'll be for tomorrow, err, later today [20:08] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:09] i just grabbed the config from my local -current server and used the source from kernel.org [20:09] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:09] gotta go eat, pizza's here [20:09] Nick change: manwichmakeameal -> manwich-eating [20:10] Is manwich-eating eating a manwich? [20:10] Pizza. My bad [20:11] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:11] really have to go to bed now, I've been up for too long now, good night =) [20:11] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:16] charle97 (~c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:16] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [20:18] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:19] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:19] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [20:20] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:24] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[20:31] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:32] Nick change: hd -> jd [20:37] SiegeX_iPh (~SiegeX@32.159.240.9) left irc: Quit: Rooms " iPhone IRC Client " http://www.roomsapp.mobi [20:38] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:38] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:39] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [20:39] CodeSYS_ (~CodeSYS@c-71-199-96-137.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] can anyone tell me if this gives out any files please?: ls -lFs /usr/share/cups/model/HP/*1005* [20:46] Kaapa: no such file or directory [20:47] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-134-143.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:48] NaCl: thanks [20:51] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:56] knoxville_ (~knoxville@c-75-73-224-97.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] whats going on fellas [20:57] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.121.45) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:57] so Im brand new to slax and I have a fresh install, how do I start installing aps [20:57] it depends on what you want to install [20:58] sure sure [20:58] I got ssh enabled [20:58] how about adding a new user? [20:58] if it is an official package it might be on the dvd, or in the extra directory [20:58] adduser [20:58] oh same as ubuntu [20:58] slax? [20:58] slackware 12.2 [20:59] what made you pick 12.2 instead of 13.0? [20:59] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.29.52) joined ##slackware. [20:59] I installed it 293 days ago and just got my ESXi box back up [20:59] i see [20:59] maybe time to upgradE? [20:59] i would. [20:59] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:59] it gets you KDE4 [21:00] I donn't want a gui [21:00] still updates a lot of packages :) [21:00] I just want to learn the ways of the foce [21:00] force* [21:00] I'm a good Debian / Ubuntu user, but I need to learn the ways of Slackware [21:00] linux is linux [21:01] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-57-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [21:01] the only differences are distribution-specific applications/scripts and configuration files [21:01] true true, but I feel I need to step outside the ubuntu world [21:01] have you read the slackbook? [21:01] it never hurts to be versatile [21:01] no I have not [21:01] http://slackbook.org/ [21:01] well, you'll likely learn more abot software packaging [21:02] Come back when you finish it. [21:02] another great resource is http://slackbuilds.org/ [21:02] I like the adduser command much better in slackware!!! [21:02] We get that a lot. [21:02] Nick change: raph0x88_ -> raph0x88 [21:02] lots of things are nicer in slackware (IMO) [21:02] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:02] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Politics (~Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [21:05] I just did a fresh install and I have the auth service running on port 113, what is this, and do I need it? [21:08] LnxSlck (1000@188.140.40.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:09] rworkman: I did send an e-mail to Pat earlier today re: ssh, I haven't received a response, but what I have discovered now is that it seems if I generate a new dsa key, then that works, but old ones after the latest -current updates don't. [21:09] hcfd (~fed@host86-140-249-55.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:09] Politics (~Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:10] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:11] knoxville_: http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugidentd.html [21:11] knoxville_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ident [21:11] knoxville_: http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/identdslshauth.htm [21:11] mm, removing wicd makes my FF menu respond as it should [21:11] knoxville_: all gleaned from the first page of google results (hint hint) [21:11] thrice`: HUH? [21:12] installing it and running wicd-client makes it re-appear [21:12] thrice`: you had issues with the drop-down menus moving sluggishly? and the right-click content menus? [21:12] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:12] that's correct [21:12] thrice`: any other pygtk apps cause that? [21:12] thrice`: shortly after upgrading to -current and alienBOB's KDE4.4.0 packages, i had that issue [21:12] and to help with the idea that it's pygtk related, what about installing wicd, but using wicd-curses instead? [21:12] hm, I'd have to compile one I guess [21:12] it magically went away last night though [21:13] or just try killing the tray icon [21:13] with wicd still running [21:13] zaltekk, interesting [21:13] i still have the older -current...not what was released a few days ago [21:13] i tried looking around and couldn't find anyone else with my problem [21:14] I found an arch linux post, which pointed at intel 2.10 + kms, but the forum concluded with something like "OMG an update fixed it lolz" [21:15] i tried playing around with my plugins, but that made no difference [21:15] i did notice that the entire interface wasn't slow though, only menus. even the tabs worked at normal speed. [21:15] I had it with a fresh user account too, which confused me the most [21:15] yep, exactly [21:16] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:16] botnet (~void@75-92-208-1.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:22] charle97 (~c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:23] crim_ (~imusic@ool-45783a05.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-168-101.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [21:24] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:25] LnxSlck (1000@188.140.111.83) joined ##slackware. [21:27] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:28] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [21:28] rworkman, did you see the republican approach to getting money? leaked on politico.com today [21:28] "fear tactics" [21:28] pretty much a powerpoint about using fear to get money and support from morons in the country [21:28] rworkman, I feel silly reporting it, but yes - JUSt wicd. regardless of it running the pygtk interface or not [21:29] just reproduced it 3 times [21:29] thrice`, you should always feel silly, for existing [21:29] jeev: everytime i come in here, you're picking a fight [21:29] hiptobecubic, you're next [21:29] kick your ass seabass [21:30] So i just booted 2.6.33 after enabling drm/nouveau and now nothing works :D [21:30] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:30] xorg says it can't find nouveau..... even though modprobe says it's already loaded. Also i'm in some kind of ugly framebuffer that doesn't match my screen resolution [21:31] LnxSlck (1000@188.140.111.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:31] There is a rectangle of tiny green dots in the upper left.... like braille. Not sure what that's about either. [21:31] joshyro (~josh@187.153.59.194) joined ##slackware. [21:32] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:33] You know? [21:33] Guys? [21:33] i dont know what nouveau is. [21:34] hiptobecubic: did you rebuild nouveau when you built the new kernel? [21:34] opensource reverse engineered nvidia driver [21:34] jeex, I don't get this :( [21:34] zaltekk: yes. In fact, modprobe -r nouveau complains that it's in use [21:34] oh [21:34] Hello! =D [21:34] the ppd files cups generates looks for hpijs [21:34] i think it's being used to make this ugly frame buffer [21:34] joshyro: hi [21:34] what vid card do you have [21:35] hiptobecubic: i've never used nouveau, so i can't tell you much. i use nvidia's binary drivers [21:35] zaltekk: yeah me too. Just thought i'd try it now that it's in the tree [21:35] ive had very good luck with the nvidia binaries. and the ati binaries. although the ati installer is amature compared to nvidia [21:35] i don't think you get any 3d acceleration [21:36] zaltekk: no you do now. it's just way way worse than the official [21:36] CcSsNET: no me too. I just thought i'd see what all the nouveau fuss is about. [21:36] eh i was just mentioning [21:36] CcSsNET: as for the installer, i've always used the slackbuild to create packages out of the driver for easy removal, so i can't comment...but i've never had a single issue using them. which is a lot less than i can say about using the nvidia drivers on Vista. [21:37] zaltekk: hah. Half the drivers for this laptop didn't work at all in vista [21:37] not even xp seems to be able to handle it, which surprised me [21:37] hiptobecubic: i constantly had crashes with Vista. it really wasn't usable when I got this laptop [21:38] zaltekk: same. HP DV 6700 [21:38] my laptop is 12 years old :D [21:38] I can run XP on my laptop given that I install XP SP2 and _not_ SP3, otherwise the audio drivers don't work [21:38] zaltekk: well my audio drivers don't work either. perhaps that's the issue. [21:38] CcSsNET: i replaced my ~7 year old desktop with a laptop 13 months ago [21:39] Well I have kernel 2.6.33 & Slackware 13, ath5k already working. When I use wicd-curses or wicd-client I get all essid any suggestion? other stuff, when I try build from source the madwifi-drivers, I get the error "Please enable wireless extensions". any suggestion?... [21:39] nice ^ [21:39] Win7 works great, OpenBSD(other than graphic acceleration) works great, and Slackware work great [21:39] I blame the problem on Vista [21:39] OS: Linux 2.6.32.2-grsec-pax/i686 - CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) (596.996 MHz) - Processes: 17 - Uptime: 7h 28m - Users: 1 - Load Average: 0.71 - Memory Usage: 64.81MB/308.79MB (20.99%) - Disk Usage: 42.44GB/50.72GB (83.69%) [21:39] works like a charm ^ [21:39] Nick change: manwich-eating -> manwich-absent [21:40] CcSsNET: lol [21:40] eh, i don't have the fancy script to give you specs, but I guess I can type them: [21:40] its called sysinfo.pl [21:40] google for it [21:40] for irssi? [21:40] no its simply a perl script [21:40] i686 on a core i7 ? how embarassing [21:40] run like so [21:40] oh, oops; mis-read :> [21:40] /exec perl sysinfo.pl [21:41] add -o for chan output after exec [21:41] eh, well, it would be a bit more complex, because I ssh into my old desktop that runs irssi inside tmux [21:42] o [21:42] i need to clean my hd [21:42] the sysinfo.pl i found doesn't quite give that much info...hmm [21:42] i got so many iso's to delete there already burned [21:42] 1 sec [21:43] ugh. forget this. I'll just rebuild... [21:43] bbl [21:43] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:43] http://imbezol.org/sysinfo/ [21:43] i modify the options section slightly [21:43] but otherwise its that script [21:44] right, just got it [21:44] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Hostname: slaktop - OS: Linux 2.6.32.9/x86_64 - Distro: Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 - CPU: 2 x Intel Core2 Duo (2267.000 MHz) - Processes: 155 - Uptime: 2d 8h 37m - Users: 4 - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 946.75MB/3950.47MB (23.97%) - Disk Usage: 286.80GB/759.49GB (37.76%)Hostname: darkstar - OS: Linux 2.6.32.7/x86_64 - Distro: Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 - CPU: 2 x Intel Core2 Duo (2267.000 MHz) - Processes: 155 - Uptime: 2d 8h 37m - Users: 4 - Lo [21:45] ugh look at that process list [21:45] lol [21:46] thats more then a ubuntu install [21:46] ;) [21:46] still a 0.00 load average [21:46] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:47] huh...how did my hostname change when i accidently ran it a second time [21:47] dont ask me i would find that quite troublesome [21:48] telperion (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [21:48] something happened when i upgraded this system last and it doesn't seem to save the hostname or domain name properly when i open new terminals [21:49] jeev: yes, I saw it. Democrats do the same. They exploit different fears, but it's the same. [21:49] i disable hostname and distro because im currently working on my own OS [21:49] thrice`: that makes absolutely no sense :/ [21:49] and i dont want its name to leak on the internet for someone to domain steal [21:49] i mean in the sysinfo.pl script ^ [21:50] but as for your hostname issue maybe its time for a reinstall [21:50] sounds like theres to much there. and from the looks of that process count as well [21:50] rworkman, not at all, though changing ONLY that makes it appear 100% of the time [21:51] which I don't get, because FF doesn't even know about wicd. must be xfdesktop at fault somehow [21:51] uSlacker (~gmartin@173.62.249.45) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:51] oh well [21:51] i think consistently yelling terrorism and shit is the worst thing you can do to your country [21:51] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:52] do you still live in your mom's basement jeev ? [21:52] jeev: Are you a terrist? [21:52] a terrist? no. [21:52] a terrorist? no. [21:52] are you ? [21:52] thrice`, are you serious? i WISH! now i live in the laundry room [21:53] telperion (~Adium@190.156.15.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:53] ooooh damn [21:54] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:55] wow living in a basement would be great! [21:55] cough [21:55] less systems would overheat for 1 [21:56] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-130.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:57] thrice`: sure wicd has to be running? [21:57] (the daemon, that is) [21:57] s/sure/surely/ [21:57] charle97 (~c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:03] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:04] rworkman, when I stop rc.inet1, start rc.wicd + log back into xfce, I notice it. if I kill wicd-client, it still happens. when I close X, stop wicd + restart rc.inet1, it goes away [22:05] re-install + start wicd and relaunch xfce, it comes back [22:06] knoxville_ (~knoxville@c-75-73-224-97.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:06] thrice`: even without the tray or ui ever starting? [22:07] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:07] I don't think I tried without it starting WITH xfce; I did try killing it after the fact [22:08] telperion (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [22:08] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [22:08] Try disabling it in the autostart settings [22:08] telperion (Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [22:09] someone here is using the mother board asus p5v800-mx with the current? [22:09] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.135.35) joined ##slackware. [22:12] rworkman, same result - only when wicd runs [22:13] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [22:13] er, same result if I start wicd, disable the gui from loading, and start FF [22:14] I blame this one on gremlins :> [22:15] What are these gremlins doing? [22:16] tsccof (~martin@189.74.210.12) joined ##slackware. [22:16] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:16] hi, sortremord here, new nick [22:16] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:18] I'm almos sure there is something wrong with slackware current and the via vt82xx and its not the kernel because, when i try with the kernel of the slack 13 cd, the sound board its not even detected, and with the current, looks like a Long Play scratched [22:18] *almost [22:18] madnex, does it play sounds? [22:19] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:19] with the current yes, but like a old LongPlay scratched [22:19] well damnit [22:20] now i can't install the official nvidia drivers either. It says it can't figure out where my sources are. [22:21] hiptobecubic: know problem with nvidia [22:21] if i install slack 13 works fine, if i install slack current then i have the longplay scratched and if i use the kernel of slack 13 cd to boot the current, i receive a message from kde saying that the soundboard its no longer plugged [22:21] XGizzmo: known problem you mean? No one with 2.6.33 has managed to install the officials yet? [22:22] madnex, have you tried changing the buffer size? [22:22] it needs patching. or wait till there is a working stable release [22:22] XGizzmo: well damnity doo [22:22] uhh [22:22] it should work [22:23] they released new drivers, I thought [22:23] thrice`: everything should work [22:23] If you run bleeding edge some time you bleed. [22:23] thrice`: i just tried 190.53 i think it was. nvidia-install --update found it [22:23] if you run opensource, you dont have to wait for someone else to build your driver for you. [22:23] tsccof, I'll google how to do that ;-) [22:24] madnex, it is under the sound settings in KDE 3.X [22:24] madnex, I am not sure about how to do it via terminal [22:24] break19: sure. And if you want to, you can build your own car from scratch in your garage. [22:24] CodeSYS_ (~CodeSYS@c-71-199-96-137.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:24] madnex, might be some configuration file in /etc [22:24] if it were free, I would. [22:25] looks like 195.36.08 is the latest [22:25] break19: how old are you, out of curiosity? I'd tell you why i'm asking, but it will taint your answer [22:25] i'm 23 [22:25] ... damn. 23. i'm old now :( [22:26] Action: tsccof agrees with break19 [22:26] old hell [22:26] <- 34 [22:27] 34 ... pfft. [22:27] break19: interesting. I'd have guess younger than 20. It seems like no one younger than 20 every thinks that time is money [22:27] guessed* [22:27] my grandfather is 72 and runs Linux [22:28] "ENTERING BOOTY TOWN. SO SHAKE YOUR BOOTY NOW. 'CAUSE YOUR BOOTY IS THE WAY INTO HIS HEAAAAAAARRRRRRTTTTTTT" [22:28] i hope no male in here has a booty. [22:28] I have a booty [22:28] hiptobecubic: I have more time than money. [22:28] arr [22:28] I have my 94 year old grandpa using Debian [22:28] tsccof, what's his root password? the name of his most important medicine ? [22:28] gartt, you won xD [22:29] gartt: perfect distro for him. they're both about the same age... [22:29] break19: beat me to it :D [22:29] jeev, he does not take medicines, he does not need it [22:29] amazing [22:29] he fires it up, it goes online with wireless, he hit the huge browser icon, and it goes to his google homepage. Then if he shuts the laptop lid, it automatically shuts down [22:29] briliant ^ [22:30] gartt: nice work :) [22:30] he's a very simple user, but surprisingly, as it's set up, it's even simpler than Windows for him [22:30] gartt, same here, but my grandfather runs Slackware [22:30] thrice`: so are you using 2.6.33 + nvidia.ko ? [22:30] And when it comes to anything complex with linux, I'm a moron, so double points for linux flexibility [22:30] hiptobecubic, not personally, no. just read of a few in here who reported success with that version [22:30] hiptobecubic: I am [22:30] It works fine here [22:31] I'm still surprised it works so well. And I just did Debian out of curiosity (since I've always used slack) [22:31] debian has had its ups and downs. currently its on an up [22:31] And people say linux is hard to use.. [22:31] antiwire: hm. it didn't complain about not finding headers/sources? [22:32] antiwire: what ver? [22:32] NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.36.08-pkg1.run [22:32] with 2.6.33 [22:32] I'll give props to debian when I feel they deserve it.. and they do have one solid package management system.. just that the "stable" release uses apps and kernels about 3 years behind everyone elses.. and even the so-called testing releases aren't exactly up to date.. [22:33] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:33] yea break i agrea that they move slowly. but the package management is nearly flawless. although if you do manage to break it. plan on reinstalling because once apt breaks its broke imo [22:33] antiwire: well damn [22:34] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] i only managed to break apt by modifying the sources.list manually and doing some out of debian packages [22:35] heh [22:35] Red Hat's RPM is great as well [22:35] bleh [22:35] no its not ^ [22:35] wha? [22:35] !ban tsccof [22:36] Action: CcSsNET agreas with danc3 [22:36] why is not it? [22:36] I like the big 3: slack, deb, and gentoo [22:36] my only experience with apt is via ubuntu. but yeah, i had no problems despite my brainless fiddling [22:36] I have never had problems with RPM [22:36] gartt: I don't think Gentoo is considered "big 3" any more... [22:36] gentoo is too much user overhead for me to bother [22:36] tsccof: how long have you used RPM...? [22:37] gartt the big three right now are ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu [22:37] danc3 since Fedora 8 [22:37] rpm is simply NOT a package manager. comparing it to apt should be a crime [22:37] hiptobecubic: Not to me :) [22:37] danc3 dependency hell was not even there anymore [22:37] tsccof: heh... that's not very long... you will learn why RPM sucks badly, eventually [22:37] gartt: oh you meant the 'gartt 3'. sure [22:37] you can't exactly call what gentoo does "package managment". [22:37] danc3 can not you tell me why? [22:37] XGizzmo, why not? [22:37] Debian was more user-friendly than Ubuntu was, and I tried it for my grandpa first and then had to just switch to normal debian [22:38] tsccof do you ever use yum? [22:38] tsccof: you used the term right there above. [22:38] thrice`: What packages? [22:38] tsccof: try to remove lm-sensors-2 because I installed lm-sensors-3 and it wants to remove all of kde :P [22:38] XGizzmo, have you ever used gentoo? [22:38] yes [22:38] CcSsNET used to every single day [22:38] it compiles packages in a sand box and deploys to the root [22:38] 190.42 and newer doesn't see 2.6.33 on my machine :( [22:38] I use only gentoo and slack here [22:38] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Quit: [yop] [22:38] there is no package [22:38] raela not sure about that, I never installed this package [22:38] well tsccof. there you go. rpm sucks SO badly that yellow dog had to fix it by creating yum [22:39] chenfengyuan (~chenfengy@117.136.10.8) joined ##slackware. [22:39] tsccof: this is from centos 5.4, just happened to me the other day [22:39] XGizzmo, it doesn't store them for you unless you specify, sure [22:39] CcSsNET try using it nowadays and tell me how it goes [22:40] gartt i use debian, and sourcemage [22:40] no thanks [22:40] CcSsNET I have never used problems with it, although I started in Fedora 8 [22:40] i started on redhat 6.1 roughly [22:40] couldnt stand dependancies hell [22:40] tsccof: why would any experienced Slacker want to use something like yum/rpm? No reason to do so. [22:41] CcSsNET that is long gone [22:41] quickly learned it was junk and moved to debian [22:41] danc3 true, I am just saying it is fine(nowadays at least) [22:41] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:41] danc3 I also left Fedora for some reasons, now I am 100% Slack [22:41] tsccof: fine for who? [22:41] danc3 fine for SuSE, Mandriva, RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, Yellow Dog [22:42] tsccof: OK, so why are we sitting here talking about RPM in the Slackware channel? [22:42] danc3 if it was so bad, maybe all those programmers there would have improved/changed it [22:42] they did [22:42] tsccof: OK, so why are we sitting here talking about RPM in the Slackware channel? [22:42] danc3 because you were talking about .deb and I said .rpm is fine [22:42] as well [22:42] as .deb is [22:43] well, not exactly, but whatever.... let's abandon the subject, eh? [22:43] sounds good [22:43] sure [22:43] thx [22:43] np [22:43] anyone here got a favorite livecd collection with purposes for each [22:44] ill start [22:44] CcSsNET: what do you mean purposes for each? [22:44] systemrescuecd is pretty awesome [22:44] I have a LiveCD with Linux Mint 5 Revision 1 for occasional things [22:44] CcSsNET: I like "SystemRescueCD" for fixing bootloader problems and such [22:44] uhm.. -offtopic ? [22:44] slitaz: boots on anything even over usb powered cdroms [22:44] hirens [22:44] parted magic: also boots over usb powered cdroms [22:44] hirens is ilegal ^ [22:44] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:45] CcSsNET: only if you don't own licenses to all of the software [22:45] yea... all [22:45] CcSsNET: or you are using it for commercial purposes [22:46] austrumi: intel, ati, nvidia proprietary drivers on a livecd, since we are talking about even the ilegal ones [22:46] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:47] austrumi does not boot over usb powered cdroms cant mount rootfs [22:47] thats my list [22:47] antiwire: interestingly, your verson seems to work and newer versions do not [22:48] hiptobecubic: look at the version i posted more closely [22:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-130.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:49] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-126.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:49] antiwire: ah yes. Silly me :) [22:49] antiwire: well thanks in anycase [22:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:50] Although i don't have any time to play now. Getting up in a few hours [22:50] night all [22:50] nn [22:50] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [22:50] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:51] joshyro (~josh@187.153.59.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:52] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:53] crim_ (~imusic@ool-45783a05.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:54] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:54] chenfengyuan (~chenfengy@117.136.10.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:56] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:59] can one install Slackware via USB? [22:59] flash drive [23:00] depends on who the one is [23:00] what do you mean? [23:01] one who reads the wiki for the info that just jumps out at you can.. but one who doesnt cannot. [23:02] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [23:02] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [23:02] thank you [23:02] stuff is broken how do i fix [23:03] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) left irc: Client Quit [23:03] -.- [23:03] tsccof: personally, I found it easier to put the kernel and initrd into my existing system's boot dir and instruct my bootloader to run it.. when it booted, I then loopmounted my downloaded iso and ran setup. :) [23:04] break19 that is indeed a great idea, I already have a linux system on it [23:05] tsccof: slack's initrd is a fully-working system... [23:05] break19: yeah, but I need to boot it first [23:06] break19: I will put it in /boot and set GRUB to boot from that [23:09] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:11] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [23:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-126.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:14] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-105.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:15] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Anyone know the kernel option in 2.6.33 that gets my Fn keys to work for brightness? It used to be all you had to do was enable the acpi video screen. [23:16] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-120.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. 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I thought about that [23:31] about making a huge concept mistake [23:31] thanks alisonken1home [23:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-105.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:31] np [23:32] getting Slackware to run on a Toshiba NB200 :D [23:33] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) joined ##slackware. [23:33] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [23:33] alisonken1home you saved my arse, big thanks [23:33] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-105.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:42] http://usstar.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/linux_for_dummies.jpg [23:43] troys (~troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] hot [23:45] too hot for any of us [23:45] pity ... [23:46] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. 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