[00:00] not a private key [00:00] for passwordless auth [00:00] (if there is a way, someone correct me) [00:00] I think it can, but you have to use puttygen.exe to convert it [00:00] use puttygen [00:02] well, there's two options then, I go the openssh/cygwin route. [00:02] others putty. so take your pick redtricycle [00:02] ...wait, so run putty on the windwos box? [00:02] remote comp (windows): run vncserver through putty [00:02] redtricycle, you need SSH from your win/lin box to your brother's win box [00:02] ah... [00:03] so, win box needs to have ssh daemon [00:03] redtricycle, then VNC server on your bro (running thru localhost) over SSH to your vnc viewer on your win/lin box. [00:03] Your brother will SSH from the Windows box to your Linux box, forwarding ports through SSH. Then you will VNC to localhost on the forwarded port and get your brother's desktop. [00:03] redtricycle, yes he needs an ssh daemon. so cygwin/openssh or putty/ssh either or. [00:03] nod, okay [00:03] so it looks like I'll have to set it up [00:04] redtricycle, noone here is gonna [00:04] guess I'll visit him this weekend... [00:04] Old_Fogie: ;) [00:04] Using SSH port forwarding, no SSH service is needed on the Windows side. [00:04] or ask the guy who owns the rootkit on his win box to give you SSH then :) [00:04] Old_Fogie: I wanted to walk him through it, but I don't tihnk he can do it [00:04] pi31415: how so? [00:04] ssh port forwarding? [00:05] redtricycle, http://www.security-hacks.com/2007/05/18/tunneling-smb-over-ssh-secure-file-sharing [00:05] redtricycle, thats an 'idea' of how it's done. [00:05] oh darn..it's gone [00:06] wth [00:06] the how to is no longer there..darn it. [00:06] well, google a little bit, ther'es a ton of how-to's [00:08] The reverse ssh port forward method also works easily through NAT. [00:08] redtricycle, remember, windows does have the 'netstat' tool built in, so you can verify ports in use. [00:08] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [00:08] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:08] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-170-192.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [00:08] Okay, let me try to understand the concept: putty is an ssh client, put I can set windows to forward ports to the SSH client [00:08] which will decode the connection? [00:09] http://home.highertech.net/~john/Putty-Tunnel/putty-tunnel.html [00:09] putty can forward ports both ways, from the server to the client, or from the client to the server. [00:09] It depends on the ssh server configuration.. openssh does not necessarily allow it. [00:10] okay, but... [00:10] that tutorial assumes that the windows is the client [00:10] My setup:: Windows is server, Linux is client (me) [00:11] So basically, Putty will serve as sshd [00:11] right? [00:11] no [00:12] If you configure remote port forwarding in putty, and sshd on Linux allows it, then sshd on the Linux side will open a listener and forward it to putty on the Windows side. [00:12] Ahh... [00:12] so, the linux box has: 1. vnc client, 2. SSHD [00:12] You are right, I did not give you a good URL for this. [00:12] yeah man, the voodoo hoodoo [00:12] and the windows box has 1. vnc server, 2. ssh (putty) [00:12] yes [00:13] Okay, I see now [00:13] and then it's just a bunch of configuration to get that to work... [00:14] and a lot of coffee [00:14] oh gee -_- [00:14] nah, kidding [00:14] but first time like anything, it can be an excercise [00:15] just write down what you did ya know :) [00:15] nod [00:16] Okay, on another note [00:16] Here is a better URL. http://blog.bigsmoke.us/2007/02/17/vnc-through-an-ssh-tunnel [00:17] okay cool, thanks pi31415 -- I'll try it next time I visit my brother [00:19] caffeine works wonders [00:19] Okay, so, switching subjects [00:19] I frequently download the files from slackware-current mirrors... [00:19] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:19] and I have a crazy wget line to download everything from a page [00:19] wget -r1 etc... slackware.com/whatever/source/amarok/* [00:20] any easy way to grab all the files at that location? [00:20] with CLI? [00:20] wget --mirror might work [00:20] rsync would be nice [00:22] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.239) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:24] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-170-192.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-199.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:27] tuvok302-a (i=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-24.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [00:28] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:31] uh...is this slackbuild correct? http://ivete.fis.unb.br/mirror/slackware/slackware-current/source/kde/amarok/ [00:31] it doesn't look like a normal slackbuild [00:31] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] why not? [00:32] because it has relative directories [00:32] it's part of a build system redtricycle [00:32] it "sources" variables [00:32] and looks like its meant to be built while it's in the source folder [00:32] you need the kde tree for it [00:32] well, whichever it's sourcing. [00:33] I havent done kde4 , but kde3 is that way, [00:33] amarok is split out in kde3 tho. [00:33] hrm, [00:33] so amarok 2.0.2 is kde4? [00:33] iirc, or did i rewrite it, i forget [00:33] yea [00:33] it's k4 [00:33] then it's better I don't install it... [00:33] I don't have k3 libs [00:33] k4* [00:34] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "mIRC" [00:35] redtricycle, basically, what Mr. V did is setup an easy convenient way that he can edit just a few text files, and build the kde4 stuff, without having to go into all of the individual sub-folders, edit the slackbuilds, and run them all one at a time. [00:35] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:35] redtricycle, that's called working smart, and using 'source' command there you see. [00:35] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:36] redtricycle, if you ever really want to blow your mind, look at how he builds X :) [00:36] ah,I see [00:37] Old_Fogie: I'm just use to seeing stand-alone slackbuilds [00:38] understood, but for things like X, or KDE, or gnome, so many things are redundant, so it's wise to find a way and have them scripts grab the redundant info, and reduce your time spent editing text files all day, and reduce the chance of editing one, or editing it wrongly, and borking your builds. [00:39] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] alienBOB: You around? [00:41] alienBOB: I installed vlc via your build however I get some libhal.so errors... [00:43] kfb (n=kfb@user-160uvvf.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] I'm not understanding this whole Slackware thing I mean why not use FreeBSD or NetBSD instead ? [00:45] woh3 (n=will@76.4.244.139) joined ##slackware. [00:46] kfb: if you want to, go ahead, and don't waste your time trolling in here [00:46] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Seems to me Slackware users will emigrate to Arch Linux, Gentoo Linux and the three main BSDs until Slackware eventually dies a slow death [00:47] kfb, just leave. [00:48] Old_Fogie: Well you know NetBSD's pkgsrc will run on Slackware so if Slackware used pkgsrc by default then maybe Slackware would still be relevant instead of the niche irrelevancy it currently inhabits in the Linux landscape [00:48] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.66.178) joined ##slackware. [00:48] LinuxyErin (n=erin@75.35.181.176) left irc: "leaving" [00:48] evening slackers! [00:48] evening slackmagic [00:48] slackmagic: morning [00:48] kfb, just leave. [00:48] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:49] evening slackmagic, how are you? [00:49] gooood evening slackmagic [00:49] lns40: :) [00:49] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:49] fine fine, embracing the rain that just went over dfw (texas) [00:49] Old_Fogie: that never seems to work, does it. ;) [00:49] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [00:49] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:50] firebird619, especially since he invoked of all things "arch linux", yeah I got no time for a troll, let alone a noob troll. [00:50] :) [00:50] slackmagic: ah, your in dallas-fort worth. It was Nice and sunny here today, got to about 61 F. [00:51] Old_Fogie: well you want to know something interesting ? I used Bluewhite64 (an unnofical Slackware port for 64 bits). I started using Linux in 1997 and used FreeBSD and NetBSD from 2001-2006. I'm now back using NetBSD again. My reintroduction to NetBSD just reminded me of how shitty Linux is. [00:51] a noob troll is a sad thing [00:51] Old_Fogie: I used bluewhite64 for like 6-8 months until today [00:51] yuh i saw on news dallas cowboys had some building roof collapse during practice [00:52] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-209-253.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:52] kfb, just leave. [00:52] Rat409: Yes, the news channels showed it. The cameramen got it all on tape. [00:52] Rat409: yep, that was some news there! [00:52] so my cdrw+cdr won't recognize blank cd's but will recognize cd's with stuff on it... driver problem or broken? [00:52] Rat409: They're lucky nobody got seriously injured. [00:53] kfb: foad [00:53] Rat409: I sometimes am nervous about freak building collapses -_- [00:53] Rat409: because I am NOT fast enough to dodge a falling roof [00:53] Old_Fogie: actually I think it is funny since slackware is full of elitists who despise ubuntu users and such .. it only makes since that the BSD elitists put the slackware users in their place. Seems fair to me [00:53] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [00:53] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:53] kfb, just leave. [00:53] ##slackware: mode change '+b %kfb!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [00:54] rworkman, :) [00:54] kfb: here's an elitist "fuck off" [00:54] kfb needs to go back to /g/ [00:54] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [00:54] rworkman to the rescue. :) [00:54] firebird619: yes and some journalists filming practice in a 30ft or more tower rode it down.glad no more people got hurt,a new couch for dallas was injured tho [00:54] kfb: kthxbye! [00:54] amen to that [00:54] firebird619, ^^ [00:55] :) [00:56] Rat409: Yeah, that was sure something. One of the cameramen got hurt too, but nothing serious thankfully. [00:56] woh3 (n=will@76.4.244.139) left irc: "Leaving" [00:56] Hey guys, not that I really need it, but since historically I thought pulseaudio was a pain, and seeing how so many things have changed. I'm trying my hand at building the latest rev, as gnome 2.26 needs that as a min. I get this: checking for lt_dladvise_init in -lltdl... no (next line) configure: error: Unable to find libltdl. I know that is libtool. I thought that ./bootsrap would fix it, but nope. Any ideas? [00:56] woh3 (n=will@76.4.244.139) joined ##slackware. [00:56] gnome 2.26 can work without pulse,so I dont need it, but just wondering what that is for learning purposes. [00:57] Old_Fogie: probably looking for libtool2 [00:57] kfb (n=kfb@user-160uvvf.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:57] Old_Fogie: I suspect that the lt_dladvise_init function isn't in the "old" libtool-1.x [00:58] rworkman, ah ok. I did go ahead and backport autoconf and automake from --current (fixes a lot things for me that I dont need patches anymore). Is that something doable for 12.1 ..I dont care if I break it's a test box, and wright down my changes and old. [00:58] rworkman, I rebuilt all my pax using them new autotools, it worked :) [00:58] Old_Fogie: Well, the easiest thing to do is going to be building libtool2 in an optional prefix. [00:58] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-6-2-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:58] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] You'll still need that "old" libtool for *many* things. [00:59] s/many/most/ :) [00:59] rworkman, so a diff data dir, maybe even --program-prefix optionin ./configure line too. [00:59] whats up? [00:59] rworkman, oh so even Slackware proper would probably ship two versions at some day down the road to "transition" [00:59] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [01:00] Old_Fogie: probably on both of those [01:00] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:01] rworkman, ah ok I'll give that a shot for the heck of it. [01:02] rworkman, I'm surprised that pulse is using that, it's the first thing I've seen that is asking linux distro's to up the tool chain like that. odd. [01:02] Ditto - first thing I've seen to require it. [01:03] rworkman, ah yes I see. ubunut who has this version of pulse (as it's the min version for gnome-media) is using the 2.2.6 libtool version. [01:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:03] http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/libtool [01:04] Seems, they have no other version of libtool tho. [01:04] So it would appear they upgraded libtool, and yanked out the 1.X.Y series completely. Interesting. [01:04] Hrm, that's surprising, but good. [01:04] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] That means everything upstream has probably been fixed to work with libtool2 [01:04] rworkman, yeah one would think [01:04] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] greetings and salutations again [01:05] I got an old box, heck I'll build all my slack rebuilds and thru gnome, see what happens for shits and giggles [01:05] Greetings andarius. Welcome Back. :) [01:05] hello andarius [01:05] salutations once again firebird619 [01:05] anda salutations to you Old_Fogie [01:05] :) [01:06] agentc0re: I just stopped grep now, that thing has ran about 3-4 hours now with nothing helpful. :P [01:07] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: "Leaving" [01:08] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: "Saliendo" [01:09] hey guys, im trying a pxe install.. and i'm confused.. http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe is what i'm reading and also there is a pxe and usb installations folder inside the iso/cdrom... i'm using freebsd as the dhcpd, so i dunno how to get pxelinux. [01:09] rworkman: you know slackboy has -@ right. :P [01:10] rworkman, hahahah "Good signature from "Gary V. Vaughan " <----Gary gnu ! :) [01:11] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:11] I've had my new hard drive installed for a few days, and already my load_cycle_count (as reported by smartctl -a) is 7587. Is this something to be worried about? The drive has been powered on for a sum total of 60 hours... How can I keep the disk from parking all the time? [01:12] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [01:12] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [01:12] cothanks. [01:13] er, chopp ^ [01:13] lol [01:13] anyone using an external serial creative v92 modem blaster? [01:13] I bet not [01:13] is that kfb person gone? [01:13] guess so. Good. [01:13] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:13] serial modem lol [01:14] I can't find the power pack and need to know correct input voltage [01:14] dive: eh, is a "modem blaster" just a plain ol' moden? [01:14] modem? [01:14] agentc0re: removing and re-adding the clock in xfce solved that issue. :) [01:14] yes 56k [01:14] google can't find the voltage/polarity if you search for the model number? [01:14] nope [01:15] 06:57 -!- kfb [n=kfb@user-160uvvf.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] [01:15] found nothing except pci or usb models [01:15] one thing I did once when I had the same problem with a different modem, was to find someone selling one on ebay, and ask them to read me the specs off the power supply [01:15] thats not a modem its a soundcard! [01:15] ... [01:15] lol [01:15] omfg [01:15] night all [01:15] Urchlay, tried that too [01:15] lns40: if it plugs into a serial port (actual RS232) then it's a modem... [01:15] night hitest [01:16] nn [01:16] Urchlay: yeah just kidding :) [01:16] the PCI version probably is just a sound card :) [01:16] night firebird619, dive:) [01:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [01:16] gm152 (n=quassel@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:16] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:17] dive: well, er, worst-case scenario, you can at least tell which pin is ground with a meter [01:17] Action: dive strangles Urchlay with an rs232 cable [01:17] Action: Urchlay rolls a 20 and dodges [01:17] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-6-2-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [01:17] it's the power pack I'm talking about [01:17] not the line voldtage [01:17] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.93.169) joined ##slackware. [01:17] eh, which pin, on the modem, in the jack which the power-pack plugs into, is ground [01:18] not sure if it's the central one or the outer one [01:18] likely there are only 2 pins. One will be a dead short to the chassis ground if there's a metal chassis [01:18] yeah [01:19] (or to some big ground-plane area, or the common ground for the LEDs on the front, if it has LEDs) [01:19] I found a 9V power pack that works but I'm worried about frying it [01:19] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:19] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-151-255-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [01:19] anyway if you can determine which one's ground, you can start trying various DC power supplies. Start with 3 volts and work your way up, until it starts to work [01:19] or otoh it may need 12V [01:19] 9V works [01:20] eh, it actually works with your 9V supply? [01:20] yes it works with a 9V supply borrowed from a router [01:20] then you blindly guessed the polarity correctly, congratulations :) [01:20] if it "needs" 12V but actually works at 9V, you aren't going to fry it [01:21] you might try a 6V supply with the same polarity, see if it still works [01:21] I know but it will affect the connection speed with undervoltage [01:21] worry about that if you actually get slow connection speed? [01:21] I assume you're only temporarily using a modem, while you wait for DSL to get installed or something? [01:22] nice! got pxelinux.0 working in freebsd heh, now i can install slack on this other system! [01:22] Urchlay, I'm just testing as a backup for laptop [01:22] I might be visiting a friend in Wales who only has dial up [01:23] juice (i=1000@67.48.17.171) left irc: "Leaving" [01:23] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:23] dive: if it works at all, it's probably good enough for temporary use [01:23] yeah I'm hoping [01:23] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] (they don't have fast internet in Wales? But they do have the Torchwood Institute? :) [01:24] so it seems [01:25] I think friend has been sufficiently impressed by my broadband to want to get it himself though [01:25] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-151-255-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:26] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.145.68) joined ##slackware. [01:28] I think anybody who ever designs a piece of electronic equipment that needs a power pack, but who doesn't put the voltage/current/polarity on the case of the equipment, deserves the death penalty [01:28] possibly by low-voltage electrocution, or hanging (with copper wire) [01:28] rworkman, yup that's it the libtool, it works now [01:30] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] Urchlay, that's creative for you.. [01:30] lol [01:31] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [01:31] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:31] I miss my old ISA creative soundblaster [01:31] had a hardware volume control right there next to the audio jack [01:32] I don't think I will ever buy anything from them again except sound cards [01:32] Anyone good with git? I'm missing something obvious, I think. [01:32] and actual shielding so it didn't pick up a ton of noise from the data busses [01:32] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [01:32] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] I got a cd burner once that had good reviews cos it was a rebadged plextor. Problem was when I bought mine they had actually started using rebadged samsung crap and kept the same model name... [01:33] buggers the lot of em [01:33] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [01:34] hate crap like that [01:35] I still have an SB16 + an Audigy in my desktop though [01:37] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [01:37] How would I use wget to pull everything within an ftp directory? I assume * doesn't work :P [01:38] cylux: actually, for ftp, * works fine [01:38] man wget ? [01:38] Ah cool [01:40] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.63.50) left irc: "leaving" [01:41] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-247-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:45] lftp(1) [01:45] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:45] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:45] I use sudo explorer.exe ftp://*.* [01:46] :) [01:46] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.74.127) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Old_Fogie: yeah, you're a sick fuck like that ;) [01:49] BP{k}, shhh it'll be our secret, :) [01:49] lol [01:49] haha [01:52] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.248) joined ##slackware. [01:53] olefowdie1 (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] darmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:54] anyone know a coupon code for dyndns checkout? I've tried all the ones I can find with google queries ;) [01:54] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:54] antiwire: hate wire nets?:) [01:55] or the opposite of wired! ;) [01:55] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:55] hm.. :) [01:55] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:56] hate both wire and wireless?=) [01:56] no hatin' [01:56] :) [01:57] I don't think hate is allowed in slackerdom [01:57] that's true:) [02:04] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-146-126.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:04] Drew__ (n=Drew@NTL208H90-243-136.nt.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:04] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-71-090.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:04] anyone know why slamd64 cannot install from my dvd drive but slackware can? [02:05] Drew__: did you build the iso yourself? [02:05] no, from a download [02:05] Drew__: In which way does it fail? [02:05] reports back theres no ide/scsi drive [02:05] even though im booted from that drive.. [02:06] it appears after i scan for my target media, even if i manually specify it [02:06] i tried a samba install even but didnt detect my samba share [02:07] Drew__: I'm not really familiar with slamd64 but if you stick around someone else might be able to help you [02:07] a workaround i thought of was boot from slackware then swap the discs after i pass that point but i could no longer eject the disc once i passed that part w/ slackware [02:07] a_d (n=a_d@78.101.72.154) joined ##slackware. [02:08] #slamd64 is also pretty empty ^_^ [02:10] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] torrent download or from slamd64's site? [02:10] Nick change: Drew__ -> vahnx [02:10] i think it was from slamd64s site [02:11] hmm. you checksummed the iso ? [02:11] no, but it most likely ws a successful download and burn, havent ever had a bad burn before [02:11] i can checksum when i get some time [02:11] just a thought [02:12] gparted decided to wipe my data partition earlier ^_^ [02:12] but ima still use it over partition magic, but both have failed on me many times [02:14] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "3 of 4 beers have been bad tasting. how sad" [02:14] slackware should detect all my cores right, just my 4gb of ram it wont see? [02:14] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:14] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:18] i think so [02:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:22] darmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:22] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:23] when you netconfig with two nic's in the system, is it safe to assume eth0 is the first one that it's asking to config ? [02:24] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [02:25] jeev, I'm pretty sure it does. however, I've noticed, sometimes, on occasion, udev might change eth0/eth1 w.r.t the physical devices. It could be becuase I'm on older udev system? But for my boxes that I have two nic's, I make a udev rule to make sure that it's always consistent. [02:25] vahnx (n=Drew@NTL208H90-243-136.nt.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:26] ahh great lol [02:26] see the 70-persistent-net.rules file in the /udev/rules.d [02:26] on 12.1 it's /etc/udev, and 12.2 it's lib/udev [02:27] shit mani can't think or register that right now [02:27] how old is your system [02:27] i'm on slack 12.1 [02:27] i'm on 12.2 [02:28] all I can tell ya is what I know/seen. [02:28] :D [02:28] on my 12.1, sometimes one nic is eth0 , next boot, it's eth1 [02:28] so I edit that rule. ymmv. [02:33] olefowdie1 (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [02:36] actualmind (n=actualmi@189.13.55.87) joined ##slackware. [02:37] :< [02:38] hi guys , anyone know a distro that don't have problems to work with console and hand-configure apps (like slackware) , but is easier to install apps? [02:38] you're kidding asking that here right? [02:38] well, don't all the distros have that? [02:38] BESIDES slackware? [02:38] you're talking about apt-get right? [02:38] not really , I like using slackware but I'm working so much lately that I don't have time to compile everything I need to use... [02:39] redtricycle, something less broken... [02:39] I bet it's actually a pain in the ass to install ubuntu without X and graphical login [02:39] actualmind: sbopkg rsyncs to slackbuilds [02:39] I was thinking in something slackware based... [02:39] and it makes it a breeze to compile/install [02:39] sbopkg [02:39] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:39] yes,...and if you trust certain mirrors [02:40] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [02:40] you can get precompiled packages using slackpkg [02:40] err [02:40] swaret* [02:40] isn't swaret one of those "break your system" kinda things? [02:40] I used to use slackpkg, but the repo is so small... [02:40] heh [02:41] # 1 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 91 940356871 [02:41] # 2 Extended offline Completed: read failure 70% 37 940356871 [02:41] brand new 1.5tb [02:41] actualmind: something slackware-based? [02:41] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full) [02:41] if ypu speak about a distro - ever tried ZenWalk? [02:41] Lexus1, yup... [02:41] gibbering moon? fits I guess... [02:41] Lexus1, makes easier my life? [02:42] I'm runnig it on my desktop now:) [02:42] I'm actually using slamd64 and It's being a problem every time I try to compile something... [02:42] it's simpler than Slackware [02:42] actualmind: I bet you're doing it wrong [02:42] and btw it's less stable than slackware ... WAY less stable... [02:42] it has its own pm - netpkg (but pkgtool still works) [02:42] Urchlay, probally =/ [02:43] eh, can you quantify that? I've been running slamd64 for years and never seen it "unstable" [02:43] maybe:) a run slackware on gateway/proxy and zenwalk at home [02:44] unless maybe you're running slamd64 -current, in which case you have to expect these things [02:44] well... sometimes I am running a few apps.. let's say something like 6 apps being one a browser with 10 tabs open... and then a few time later things starts to go slow... [02:44] maybe 1gb ram is not enough for running 64 bits [02:44] Urchlay, running slamd64 12.2 [02:44] I find 2 gigs of RAM a lot nicer than 1 was [02:44] Urchlay, it's just like java you know... [02:45] *sigh* [02:45] Urchlay, it's linux running on XFCE... if it needs more than 1gig of ram.. something is not right. [02:45] your browser with 10 tabs open, is it Firefox? [02:45] yes [02:45] a_d (n=a_d@78.101.72.154) left irc: "User disconnected" [02:46] actualmind: Ever heard of absolute? iirc it's slackware based [02:46] btw I was using the same set with slackware 12.0 and was ok... [02:46] run "top" and press M (capital m) to see what's using all your memory [02:46] betcha it's firefox [02:46] Already tried ... nothing was REALLY wrong [02:46] it's just the memory that was all out [02:46] and was starting to use the swap [02:46] then what should you buy more of...? [02:47] as I said before [02:47] Urchlay, it's linux running on XFCE... if it needs more than 1gig of ram.. something is not right. [02:47] or in a few words "You're doing it wrong." [02:47] yes, the something that's not right is almost certainly Firefox [02:47] What do you suggest me using? [02:47] lynx? [02:47] more RAM [02:48] http://pastebin.com/d516adf5 [02:48] make up your mind the problem is the ram or the firefox =DD [02:48] the problem is you don't have enough ram for firefox, which is a memory hog [02:48] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:48] (also depends on what your other 5 apps are) [02:48] But as I said before I was using the same amount of software in a slackware 12.0 without any problem [02:49] if you were already running KDE I'd say run Konq as a web browser for a while, see if memory usage drops some [02:49] Urchlay, thunderbird , pidgin , 2 instances of vim [02:50] Urchlay, as I said I use XFCE [02:50] let it go... [02:51] I'll try that sbopkg... [02:51] if it don't works I'll give zenwalk a shot [02:51] the memory problem isn't a major issue by now [02:51] by now. [02:51] xfce isn't as lightweight as it used to be, either [02:52] still light than kde [02:52] but you have the tools to diagnose your problem [02:52] an Apollo space capsule is probably lighter than KDE :) [02:52] lol [02:53] LOL [02:54] (##slackware) Channel ban on %kfb!*@* expired. [02:54] ##slackware: mode change '-b %kfb!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:54] just saying. M key in top will list your processes by memory usage, the heaviest ones at the top [02:54] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-24.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:54] so, you can find out exactly how much memory each process is using [02:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:56] Urchlay, I know how to use my tools ;) [02:56] thx for the tips anyway [02:59] I'm trying that sbopkg tools... already sync now let's try to install kino =) [02:59] actualmind: I used zenwalk, and it's a really nice system... [02:59] though I went back to slackware [02:59] because I actually DO use a lot of the LAMP stuff [02:59] which zenwalk just ignores [03:00] :) [03:00] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: "OOH" [03:00] I'm using slamd64 and I really thinking of going back to slackware... [03:00] to mi mind, Zenwalk is rather good for home using [03:00] my* [03:00] didn't fell any bigger performace for using 64 bits and actually I felt that I lost performace and stability =/ [03:01] actualmind: you could always use slackware, compile the kernel to allow >3GB, and build a tighter system [03:01] there aren't that many programs out there that utilize 64-bit atm [03:01] well* [03:02] true... [03:07] damm that sbopkg thing is not working here... [03:07] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [03:07] I keep getting a error saying that "C compiler cannot create executables" [03:09] that could just be the package you're trying to build [03:10] or...because yuo're running slamd64 [03:10] I don't know [03:10] you might need to edit the slackbuilds [03:10] to compile for 64-bit [03:10] that's why i'm leaving slamd64... [03:10] " 'cause it don't work. " [03:10] =P [03:10] I've never used slamd64, so I won't comment on that [03:10] =/ [03:11] actualmind: can you say anything about bluewhite? [03:11] never used [03:12] All I can say is I have been using slackware since 8.1 until 12.0 and the only version I used of slamd64 is the 12.2 and It's not working for me... [03:13] I will forget that slamd64 thing and go back to slackware... [03:13] slamd64 is not bad... but it's not slackware. [03:15] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:16] Nick change: Sleepymess -> Emess [03:17] :-) [03:18] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.66.178) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:20] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.74.127) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:25] "C compiler cannot create executables"... have you looked in config.log to see what the actual error was? [03:27] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.145.68) left ##slackware. [03:28] Urchlay, couldn't find that =/ [03:31] I cant recall what that is, libstdc error or something [03:31] or glibc, i forget [03:32] basically something in section 'd' of the installer is missing iirc correctly [03:32] not really ... it's fully installed , it's just because slackware 12.2 slackbuild will not work with slamd64... [03:33] oh this is slamd we're talking of ok [03:33] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) joined ##slackware. [03:33] yeah you have adjust/add a few things, not many tho. [03:34] for the script [03:38] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:38] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:40] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [03:44] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [03:44] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [03:44] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host138-125-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:47] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:48] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:48] swedala (n=swedala@1-1-2-30a.gsn.gbg.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [03:50] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:51] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.203.144) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:51] hmm....I have uncomment "Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf" in my httpd.conf and restarted apache but php seems to be disabled anyway, what do I miss? [03:51] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.206.244) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:53] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:53] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:55] swedala, have you added index.php to your DirectoryIndex in httpd.conf? [03:55] Strykar: yes I did that as well [03:56] trying to execute in my test file info.php [03:56] yep, http://pastebin.ca/1411006 [03:56] what does that give [03:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426398.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:58] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:58] Strykar: hmm weird....your lines shows php enabled, so it actually works fine. But why doesn't work? [03:59] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [04:00] swedala, whycan'tyourteacheraccepthisasyournextassignment'swritingstyle? [04:00] hehe...well I just trying to understand [04:01] Strykar: thanks anyway [04:01] case solved [04:02] swedala, google programming language syntax [04:03] yw [04:03] I can admitt my useless php-skillz :P [04:07] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:07] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Action: Xires is shutting down: shitstorm outside [04:07] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:08] kthxbai [04:09] lowkyalur (n=low@82.82.64.14) joined ##slackware. [04:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "mIRC" [04:12] can anyone tell why xfce has font antialiasing and hinting working out of the box while kde requires rebuilding packages? [04:13] something is very wrong with it :D [04:18] ktos (n=ktos@adhr191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Hi [04:19] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.93.169) left irc: "leaving" [04:21] Once a three months my slackware server bacame hunged until I killall httpd. In logs there is info about full memory and its true beacuase when I ps -ALL there is a lot of httpd instances. Tell me please is it normal behaviour? (last reboot of it is about 1 year) [04:21] as a normal user, how do I write tihngs to var/log? Do I have to give a file permissions before I can write to it? [04:22] What's the rule of thumb with regards to logging for regular users? [04:22] ktos, pastebin the relevant bits of apache's log. are the logs filling the disk? [04:23] ok, one moment [04:23] redtricycle, a normal user account doesn't need to write to /var/log, which is meant for application logging. what are you trying to achieve [04:23] I made a python application [04:23] and I want some sort of logging [04:23] the application is run by normal users [04:24] rapid (n=rapid@c220-239-129-83.dandn1.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Later guys. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Take care. [04:25] redtricycle, create a user/group for your application and have it log to /var/log/foo.log, then: touch /var/log/foo.log && chown /var/log/foo.log user:group [04:26] Strykar: thanks -- wanted to know if that's kosher [04:26] sounds good [04:26] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:26] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:27] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:28] Strykar: there is nothing interesting but a lot of lines child process still not exit sending a SIGKILL in the end of file [04:28] another are normal php error while my programming [04:28] errors* [04:30] but that is also strange that today mysql has fallen 2 times already [04:30] rc.mysql restart and worked well [04:31] but do you have any idea why apache can hung about once a three months? [04:31] perhaps that is normal overload? [04:33] ktos, no, you seem to have a case of misconfiguration [04:35] I have just looked at dmesg [04:35] mysql has been fallen bacouse same problem [04:36] Out of memory: kill process 6523 (mysqld) score 31949 or a child [04:36] there is only 512 mb of ram [04:36] or even 256 [04:36] don't remmber [04:37] add more RAM [04:37] is it possible that misconfiguration can couse this kind of errors? [04:37] Strykar: ;) [04:37] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host46-238-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:38] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.72) joined ##slackware. [04:39] btw I have no idea why slackware is so unused in servers [04:39] I like it really much [04:39] Herman (n=Hermann@h10n3c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:39] ktos, it's not fast to update like a debian system... [04:40] they prefer to restart the server a few times a year due to instability than lost some hours for installing something [04:41] *nothing like hamburguers in the breakfast... yum* [04:42] "they prefer to restart the server a few times a year due to instability than lost some hours for installing something" <--you mean Slackware ..has to be "down" more then debian for upgrades? [04:43] I mean debian just install anything that could be a dependencies while slackware you know the proccess [04:43] *process [04:44] ktos: "btw I have no idea why slackware is so unused in servers" [04:44] maybe it is so:) but as a matter of fact, my ISP has all servers under slackware:) [04:44] and only 1 with debian:) [04:44] Lexus1, lucky you. [04:44] =) [04:44] They use OpenSuse at my work -.-' [04:44] jesus [04:44] yeah... [04:44] I tried once suse at my desktop [04:45] 5 minutes and disk was formatted :D [04:45] =) [04:45] the reason? a lot of legacy C# apps [04:45] the same was the day before yesterday :-[ [04:45] and mono works better at opensuse [04:45] I use slackware because that's the only dist I can manage, it's very simple to understand [04:45] ktos, any Slackware admin worth his salt is just as fast as any debian admin to upgrade production servers. They test on a dev box and deploy. They know what is on the box they are going to upgrade before they even upgrade it. [04:46] we have a computer class at the university - all boxes are with open suse:) [04:46] swedala: +! [04:46] +1 [04:47] sometimes a think that the absence of depemdencies chacking is more convenietnt that checking:) [04:47] hehe [04:47] (may be my English is not very goog))but i hope you understand what i mean:) [04:47] good* [04:47] imo depencies sometimes more make angry than help [04:48] Old_Fogie, The process is the same for any other linux but with debian you run apt-get and the system is ready in 5 min , after you are sure that everything works ok after updates you deploy while doing that with slackware you will spend at least 1 hours solving dependencies [04:48] Lexus1, no you did just fine. [04:48] :) [04:48] Lexus1, my english sucks as well [04:48] actualmind, that's completely retarded [04:48] Lexus1, where are you from? [04:48] i'm from russia [04:48] Old_Fogie, why? [04:48] I dont spend hours figuring out depends for Slackware [04:48] Old_Fogie, if you need to be 100% assure that the upgrade is going to work... [04:49] I use tukaani pkgtool [04:49] Old_Fogie: using tag-files?;) [04:49] it's really great tool [04:49] Old_Fogie, I was building gparted for my slamd64... i had to go for 6 differents packages before I can run gparted and 1 of them was not in the repo.... [04:49] no because you have a test box, and only a complete idiot would roll out debian packages in prodcution and not test them too [04:49] better than slapt-get or sth [04:49] hrm... [04:49] from googling [04:50] "tail -r" prints a file in reverse [04:50] man page doesn't have it... [04:50] is this an upgrade tail?... [04:50] lowkyalur (n=low@82.82.64.14) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:50] upgraded? [04:50] *again* only and _IDIOT_ would run apt-get and grab debian updates on a production box. that person should be fired IMO. [04:50] o.0 [04:50] Old_Fogie, I said to run apt-get before out of production and then go for production [04:50] so dont gimme this debian is faster to upgrade shit, that's retarded. and I do like debian. but that's truly misguided. [04:51] Old_Fogie, come on Old_Fogie relax... [04:51] debian is horrible not user firendly [04:51] slackware is really more [04:51] becaise you know what there is going [04:51] and debian youdon;t know anything [04:52] on debian* [04:52] imho, debian needs to be learned whereas slackware is simpler to guess [04:52] yeah [04:52] (and the problem remains with ubuntu, the GUIs don't change anything) [04:53] guessing is my favourite practise in production server :) [04:53] it gives more adrenaline than bungie jumping :D [04:53] well... I'm not responsible for servers.... but as a user that update some softwares at ubuntu , opensuse and slackware , all I know is that it's fast at ubuntu and opensuse than in slackware... [04:53] there's some good things to debian (not ubunut) and some bad things. it pisses me off the second least of all linux, the linux that pisses me off is the least is Slackware. and there is a big difference in num 1 and num2 pissing me off . [04:55] actualmind, there is a tool called objdump , it's a good tool (and I'm _not_ being a wise ass here) really read up on it. it's the fundamental way that debian/and other linux's use to grab depends. [04:55] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:55] thanks for help, bye [04:55] ktos (n=ktos@adhr191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [04:56] last week, I went to a friend and messed a bit with his computer, he didn't have lm-sensors for instance, he didn't have tons of things actually, it would take longer for apt-get to check for everything than it would take to grab a slackbuild, wget the source, run the slackbuild and install the package ! [04:56] Camarade_Tux, why apt-get install lm-sensors would take longer? [04:57] actualmind, not for lm-sensors in particular, but for all little packages [04:57] s/little/small/ [04:58] slow connection or what? :P [04:58] I don't get it... [04:58] if lm-sensors required a lot of things to be downloaded and installed, the situation would be the same as you not simply being able to grab the slackbuild, the source and compile [04:58] exactly [04:58] actualmind, just because Slackware does not ship an application, does _not_ mean the admin is not _allowed_ to (1) use a premade tool - slapt-get, slackpkg (2) wright their own (3) be a smart admin who knows his system and installs them off the top of his head because he/she has actually learned something. [04:58] people say it's fast to use apt-get, I find SlackBuilds faster ;) [04:58] an application that does dependency checking [04:58] I mean,.. [04:59] Old_Fogie, the point still existing dependencies... [04:59] actualmind, what you think I manage a ton of boxes of Slackware and dont have some dep checking? hahah [04:59] actualmind, and neither do other admins [04:59] rg3, but does it ? lm-sensors probably depends on the kernel and, hmmm, libc, and that's it [04:59] actualmind, we just dont have a crippled box like debian, or fed, we use our own [04:59] actualmind, you just never got around to getting to it yet. [05:00] :) [05:00] btw, I'm starting my own package manager :) [05:00] for windows >< [05:00] Camarade_Tux, there is one already [05:00] Camarade_Tux, deltree /y [05:01] john_dee, lol ;) [05:01] Camarade_Tux, not really... you'll have a problem if you had compiled a kernel different from default kernel for your distro... but if you are use the same version of the system that exists at the repo ... that's ok... [05:01] Camarade_Tux: the dependencies are listed on http://packages.debian.org/sid/lm-sensors [05:01] john_dee, I want it for development, many people want/need to produce apps for windows and msys/mingw is horrible [05:02] (plus I also want it to install on the linux side for when you're using a cross-compiler) [05:02] With programs like bash, perl, and all the other languages, libtool, objdump, admin's have a ton of tools to sort the dep's out actualmind [05:02] Old_Fogie, as I said I don't have any experience running servers ... I use linux as a user and developer... and IMHO it's a way faster to run a unique command that solve everything I need in downloading and running in a few minutes than download, running config , download dependencies . run config of dep. , download dep. of dep. and so on.... [05:03] rg3, libsensors, of course but in slackware it's in the same package afaik, and perl, hmmm, I've used /usr/bin/sensors and /usr/sbin/sensors-detect WITHOUT perl [05:03] Old_Fogie, You still have to download the program , verify it deps. download deps. verify deps of deps... [05:03] so yeah, dependencies... [05:03] actualmind, well that's for *you* now, not the question the person asked before.."why isn't it used on more servers". taking your personal home user expereience for one box doesn't constitute such a blanket statement regarding all Slackware use in the world now does it . [05:03] Camarade_Tux, hard to argue on that one. unzipping packages in correct order is not what you call convenient [05:04] actualmind, all you need to keep is the interface, I'm currently using a custom kernel and haven't updated lm-sensors [05:04] Camarade_Tux, I know but it's not the default situation... [05:04] why are dependencies a nightmare? the very fact that Debian can automate goes to show it's a trivial issue as long as you/apt *know* what's installed with what kernel [05:04] john_dee, every guy doing cross-compiler duplicate the same work, that's so silly (and I want something like slackbuilds but for cross-compilation) [05:05] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [05:06] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:06] actualmind, only kernel modules need to keep the same kernel, programs use an api (v4l* for instance) or the /proc, /dev, /sys filesystems [05:06] actualmind, "download the program , verify it deps. download deps. verify deps of deps..." <--- I can point you to many Debian bug reports where something went awry with a package deployed. Do you want me to? :) [05:06] Camarade_Tux, so are you sure that apt-get asks the kernel version as a dep? [05:07] Old_Fogie, And I can point you to a lot of angry slackers that couldn't make something work cause a problematic dep. [05:07] Camarade_Tux: this talk about package management reminded me... did you finally try slackroll? [05:07] Old_Fogie, problems exists.... [05:08] Old_Fogie, try not changing the point ;) [05:08] people that have learned have problems that exist. [05:08] haven't [05:08] I'm not talking about bugs [05:08] actualmind, I never thought apt had the kernel as a dependency, I only wanted to point out lm-sensors didn't have exceptional dependencies and *all* of them were already available [05:08] I'm talking about the "happy path" that happens in 90% of runs of the apt-get... [05:09] actualmind, not in this channel [05:09] rg3, no, I had no time, I've compiled gcc half-a-dozen of times and cross-gcc's too, and cross-compiled gcc's too >< [05:09] Old_Fogie, sorry? [05:09] meaning that _NOT_ 90% of people in this channel would identify with your fud [05:09] ? [05:09] be less extremist man... [05:10] What you expect me to sit here, read you falicies of packagement, and agree to dependency management being == package management. Sorry, not going to happen. [05:10] o.0 [05:10] ok.... [05:11] be happy to disagree [05:11] sorry to offend your religion ;) [05:11] i'll grab some coffee 6AM here... [05:12] actualmind, no your new to Slackware, and wrong on many levels, but that certainly doesnt mean that I'm not going to correct you. [05:12] Old_Fogie, with a hip ? :D [05:12] Old_Fogie, someone is wrong on the internet? :) [05:12] *whip [05:13] for someone that claims to have used slack since 8.1 you're not real bright. [05:14] Camarade_Tux, well Slackware catches enough flack on the interwebs, from unknowing blog writers, etc etc, and I'll be damned if I sit in a Slackware support channel, and read the same B$. [05:14] chopp, I use slackware since 8.1 but as I said , i'm a user and a developer ... only that... [05:15] but sometimes I feel bad how some people takes personally discussions about the distro.... [05:15] Old_Fogie :p [05:15] I mean , I can be wrong and probally I am... that's why I'm discussing it... [05:15] breakfast ! \o/ [05:16] " actualmind, not in this channel" is not chatting , is not discussing , is just extremist... [05:17] And I feel that if someone needs to learn about what are you doing , and have time to spend learning how the system works... I recommend slackware... but to use in a production site where you can't lose time fixing... [05:17] actualmind, stop being a wise ass, right above there you said " I'm talking about the "happy path" that happens in 90% of runs of the apt-get..." [05:17] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: "leaving" [05:17] so my words, were a reply to your comment [05:17] I don't think a user would be satisfied if you take 2 hours to fix something cause you can't find a package [05:18] Old_Fogie, I got it... but it stills a way more offensive than it need to be... [05:18] nevermind [05:18] I really dont care what you think [05:18] discuss who is right or wrong is just useful as discuss about artists [05:23] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host138-125-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:24] actualmind: Slacwkare is *never* going to get dependency checks in it's package manager. So it is pointless discussing with Slackware users about the potential merits of automatic dependency resolving. It's not going to happen. Yes, there are pros and cons. In Slackware it is considered a benefit that there is no dependency resolution [05:24] Take it or leave it [05:24] I almost wrote Slawcare there [05:24] alienBOB, I agree [05:25] alienBOB, but some people get blind and can't see pros... [05:25] nevermind that all... [05:29] 00:38 | actualmind > hi guys , anyone know a distro that don't have problems to work with console and hand-configure apps (like slackware) , but is easier to install apps? [05:29] ? [05:29] slackware user since 8.1, give me a break. [05:29] ok... [05:30] belive if you want... want a reason? I'm working full time , doing college and working in some extra projects at university... [05:30] chopp, ++ [05:30] so I'm totally out of time to spend solving dependencies [05:31] apparently, you have enough time, to enter a support channel for a distro, and then knock it. [05:31] -.-' [05:32] for the last three hours. [05:32] maybe you should learn some things about time management _and_ package management [05:32] I'm trying to install a movie editor since yesterday for one of thoose projects [05:32] This support channel is also for helping people resolving unmet dependencies. How about just telling you what the problem is instead of harassing the regulars [05:32] well, then ask for help on your project, dont go knocking Slackware for it [05:32] -.-' [05:33] I don't get why the hell are you guys so offended just because I think that it's fast to install something when there's dependencies solving... [05:33] heh, I'm pretty sure most "How to ask a question" doesn't start with "Rule # 1: Kick all the people in the nuts in the Linux support channel you enter" [05:34] Show me where I kicked someone... [05:34] know what nevermind... [05:34] is latest sendmail in 12.2 compiled with smtp auth by default? [05:36] alienBOB, so as an experiment in pain. I upgraded libtool, to the 2.X series (as it's needed for pulseaudio). Surprisingly, after 30 apps have built so far, albeit, gnome apps, it's working suprisingly well this new libtool. I'm on a 12.1 dev box fwiw. [05:37] alienBOB, pulseaudio's latest version is the only version gnome 2.26 will use, pulse isn't mandatory, but if it's desired then the libtool has to be upgraded. I'm shocked so far. [05:37] first time, I've yet to see libtool in the 2.X series needed [05:38] I have to hack around a bit in my vlc slackbuild to accommodate for libtool 1.x as well [05:38] oh so there is more things needing it these days, aha. [05:40] alienBOB, the only thing I did, was take --current's buildscript, and comment out where he has a patch applied for symbols errors/warnings. I"m still reading the doc's on it, but so far so good. I'm rebuilding all of gnome now, nothings blown up yet :) hahah. [05:40] swedala: I don't see why ot should not work [05:41] way I see it, you don't learn if you dont take chances, heh. [05:42] Old_Fogie: you still have time for your family then ;-) [05:43] alienBOB, ah always "make time" :) all I can say is, I'm glad one day, I read how robby did the xfce build, which inspired me to make a build system. life is very good if you spend the time to learn some simple bash, and learn how to do "for foo in foo do foo" :) [05:44] good old,...dive in folder build folder install folder move onto next folder and repeat. [05:44] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-74-9.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [05:46] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-74-9.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:52] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.248) joined ##slackware. [05:54] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.56.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Old_Fogie, rebuilding it by hand? [05:57] amee2k (n=thomas@vm.cugnet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:57] john_dee, well I do make my own gnome. but the rebuild no, it's part of a build system that I made/wrote. [05:57] hey BOFH :) [05:59] oh, you're not the one. sorry, mistook you for someone else ;) [05:59] amee2k (n=thomas@vm.cugnet.net) left ##slackware. [06:03] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:04] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [06:04] Old_Fogie, is it available anywhere? because i'm going to build gnome too and i'm trying to choose a tool. gnome folks recommend jhbuild. there's no garnome for 2.26. i'd build it myself but i'm not sure about the build order [06:05] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [06:05] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [06:07] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.72) left irc: "Leaving." [06:08] john_dee, no my system is hosted anywhere. but many here seem to like the gnome slackbuild project for a build system. or you can use prebuilt binaries from gware. [06:11] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:11] Old_Fogie, prebuilt is for the case i fail doing it myself. and since it's not an option... :) i already tried gware which is 2.24 btw. gslacky 2.26.1 became available yesterday but i'll try it later [06:12] Old_Fogie, are there any stock packages that must be replaced prior to building? like hal or something... [06:12] How come firefox has not been updated to 3.0.10 in the repository's yet? [06:12] john_dee, dont run slacky just yet here's why ... my next question [06:12] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/multimedia/pulseaudio/0.9.13/src/doinst.sh [06:13] ttyX (n=Haider@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [06:13] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware. [06:13] I've got a funny prob at hands here [06:13] someone on 12.2 confirm please..has usemod changed in 12.2...dont run that script command..I think slacky may remove roots' group priveledges [06:13] usermod [06:13] my lappy auto shuts down when I try to compile mplayer or any resource intensive compilation [06:13] I believe slacky's doinst.sh there will bork a box on 12.2 [06:14] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [06:14] I dont have access to a 12.2 box to confirm if usermod has changed in 12.2 vs. 12.1..but that command in 12.1 definitely will ruin the root users group rights. [06:14] it shows tempertaure warning and then shuts dwon [06:15] I'll file the bug with slacky if someone can confirm that for me . [06:15] ttyX, did you try cleaning it? :p [06:15] cleaning what? [06:15] ttyX, lappy [06:16] nope its an ancient piece [06:16] P4 lappy :p [06:16] ttyX, one more reason to see if the fans are still alive :) [06:17] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [06:17] fans are automatically triggered afaik [06:18] Old_Fogie: what do you want to know about usermod? [06:18] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.206.244) left irc: "Leaving" [06:18] The usermod command will remove your account from all groups that you do not pass on the usermod commandline Old_Fogie [06:19] alienBOB, that doinst.sh link above, has a usermod command in it. on 12.1 that will strip root of his group perms. now unless usermod is diff in 12.2 than it is here on 12.1 (which I use more often) ..I believe that if people use slacky's package they may ruin root perms [06:19] alienBOB, aha,..so it's the same then. [06:19] maybe I should try disabling acpi for a while [06:19] alienBOB, yea slacky's doinst.sh is evil then for pulse [06:19] alienBOB, I was reading their scripts for an idea as to what to do for my pulse, wrote my own..but obviously saw that and it raised my eyebrows. [06:21] slacky's exaile package seems to be broken too [06:21] or maybe its python-gst [06:21] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.56.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] I stopped looking at slacky.eu when they started building all their packages against their version of gnome... that makes them unfit for Slackware proper, in a lot of cases [06:23] alienBOB: not to forget weird deps for MPlayer package [06:23] and the size is almost double [06:24] seems like i can avoid downloading 800megs of gslacky :\ [06:24] I tried their MPlayer package on two freshh installs and it failed both times [06:24] alienBOB, I just look for a second look on things. I dont run their binaries. [06:24] OK. I emailed gohanz about it (the maintainer for that buildscript) [06:24] I am thinking of trying slackbot [06:25] alienBOB, thanks for double checking..hopefully he'll check his email and fix it right away. [06:26] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] Is it a conincidence btw that almost all packages on slacky are the ones we already have slackbuilds for? [06:26] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.145.68) joined ##slackware. [06:27] they replace *alot* of stock packages in an effort to be (a) bleeding edge (b) have gnome [06:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:28] now..don't get me wrong here, I do that for my systems, but I wouldn't host them for users of Slackware without a *big* HUGE* warning. becuase running slacky's binaries, and changing your system, in my opinion breaks your warranty with Slackware. just my $0.02 [06:29] even Zenwalk packages are safer imo [06:29] I'm glad a project exists for Slackware to be bleeding edge, but I think they're not really doing Slackware justice by what they're doing. They should really have a separate repo like "Slacky.12.nowarranty" in lieu of "Slacky.12.2" you digg. [06:30] RitualMast3r (n=root@62.221.144.229) joined ##slackware. [06:30] hi all [06:30] zenwalk... to bad they don't pay attention in their builds. /usr/doc files with user owner ships, wrong perms..it's a mess. [06:30] DaddyCaddy (i=ipx@rtfm.artnetwork.ro) joined ##slackware. [06:30] zenwalk would be nice, if they had some quality control [06:30] guys i have big problem with FS [06:31] it's says that cannot mount root fs on unknown fs on harddisk block (0,0) [06:31] best way to go is sbs [06:31] RitualMast3r, grub? [06:31] you probably set it up wrong [06:31] what is the /dev/hdXXX you're using [06:31] Old_Fogie: lilo :P [06:31] really? huh [06:31] liliconfig? [06:31] liloconfig* [06:31] i try but the same result [06:32] where should i install lilo on XFS or MBR? [06:32] MBR [06:32] the same result [06:32] i try to install it 2 times [06:32] but the same [06:33] the system is installed on /devhdb1 [06:33] ding ding [06:33] /dev/hdb1* [06:33] brb [06:33] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [06:33] okay [06:33] :? [06:33] It does ask about the root partition doesn't it? [06:34] it's says that cannot mount root partition on unknown fs [06:34] did u modify the kernel entry? [06:35] no [06:35] any errors during install? [06:35] no [06:35] mine installed fine on xfs [06:37] my gives a error when trying to install on xfs [06:37] u mean during isntall right? [06:37] install* [06:37] when using liloconfig [06:38] how did it not report error during inital install [06:38] initial* [06:38] btw which version is it? [06:38] because it's install properly [06:38] 12.1 [06:38] cmair (n=cmair@host150-110-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Success [06:41] rhleis (n=rhleiss@94.187.91.26) joined ##slackware. [06:41] what was the command to diplay the number of consecutive lines from a file ? [06:41] wc -l [06:42] i think [06:42] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:43] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. 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[07:42] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] think I'll just save my work, and come back to it in 6 months :) [07:45] pulseaudio probably won't be less fail [07:45] not before 6...years [07:45] Camarade_Tux, it's not as 'simple' to build and run as it use to be as per the scripts at SBo anymore. [07:45] Camarade_Tux, in "typical" gnome fashion now right.. [07:46] it's a bunch of apps, then rebuild this too "see" that..then rebuild over...this. [07:46] then..you're not even into setting it up [07:46] I've seen pulseaudio on ubuntu 8.xx and couldn't make head or tails of it : on a single regular laptop, it finds 9 or 10 soundcards... [07:46] it's touching udev/hal/policykit/pam/gnome policy kit [07:46] and the config's, are very reminiscent to configuring apache [07:46] glups [07:47] policy kit, pam, gnome, hmmm, I don't have any of these ;) [07:47] If you look at gentoo's, or arch's wiki, it's gotta be 30 "page down" keys ...and that's for software that's already coming to the user (who is using the wiki) to set up on their box! [07:48] so you need a 30 page down wiki..for software from the distro :) [07:48] oh my :) [07:48] heh, I'll stick with 'esd --nobeeps' [07:49] actually, I dont even use esd except for nomachinenx..alsa does just fine by me. [07:50] yeah, alsa++ :) [07:50] I don't care only one app can use the sound at once, and actually I like that : that way flash things in firefox don't disturb the music :) [07:51] I suppose there is some nice features of pulse that a user might like, none of which I ever had in windows, and none of which I think I'd ever use, but I could see people wanting them features. But it's a very advanced build and setup for sure. [07:51] the ability to set per-app volumes [07:51] windows xp doesnt even do that no? I cant recall. [07:51] xp doesn't, vista and win7 do [07:51] dunno, I never really gave it thought. [07:51] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:51] yea ok [07:52] iirc, in XP, sometimes only one app can use the sound card [07:52] I get audio from tv, xmms playing a cd and firefox in flash, so I guess I'm ok here. [07:52] yeah, I had that with trying to play unreal tournament, older versions and winamp [07:52] on windows [07:53] I'm not surprised this happens with old apps but I think it was maybe always that way in XP SP0 [07:54] your right tho, I can remember it happening with games mostly in windows and winamp. but I always just thoght it was a game issue. [07:54] btw, on win7, I usually have the volume of internet explorer set to 0% so I could as well only have one app using the sound at a time ;) [07:55] well, I have no proof, but I'm pretty sure it was a windows limitation [07:55] could possibly be the sound card, and driver support too I suppose in windows. some may offer some things more than another. [07:57] right, maybe it worked for some that offered more hardware capabilities and in vista they implemented it in software (software mixer ?) [07:57] hmmm, did you know that when you unplugged a fridge, it would make noise... [07:57] that'd make sense to me [07:57] what kind of noise ? [07:58] oh no, it was plugged again ;p [07:58] kitchen goblins [07:59] stealing R food ! [07:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [08:00] drew_ (n=drew@NTL208H90-243-136.nt.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:00] i have a dual monitor setup, and the second monitor seems to cause a refresh line appear only when both are on [08:01] this only happens in slackware and not in os x or windows [08:02] uva (i=bno@118-160-164-221.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[09:13] was it the blue pill? or red pill? [09:14] blue makes you a zombie, and red makes you a circus clown [09:15] s/and/unless [09:16] zombie is a good option as then u have a chance of making it to the next left4dead [09:16] but sex would absolutely suck if you were a zombie [09:17] indeed [09:18] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Pig_Pen, =( [09:20] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4db3858c.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [09:20] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:21] TwinReverb, the things you remember [09:21] why so sad? LnxSlck [09:21] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Pig_Pen, lool [09:22] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Jean (n=jean@93-36-227-214.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. 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[10:00] or try Gigolo, at least this is the default in ZenWalk [10:00] I guess.. i'm running xfce [10:00] me too:) [10:00] i'll be later [10:02] thunar still working on their network support [10:02] LnxSlck: have you written a slackbuild for it, yet. :P [10:02] BP{k}, no idea.. if i had, i already have made one [10:04] http://www.livescience.com/animals/090501-dolphins-vigilance.html read this and you will know why dolphins dont drown when they sleep [10:06] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [10:06] anybody knows what's the meaning of "quien me cielo"? [10:07] snama (n=snama@c-4f66f6b4-74736162.cust.telenor.se) joined ##slackware. [10:07] hello [10:07] zuhair, who gave me the sky ? [10:07] a quick question which i probably know the answer to [10:07] but [10:08] i am about to install a minimal system [10:08] i only need the first cd? [10:08] yes [10:08] good [10:08] thanks [10:08] LnxSlck: err, what does it mean by "giving the sky"? [10:09] zuhair, giving some person everything... in a romatical way ? [10:10] LnxSlck: ahaha, got it. thank's [10:10] ;) [10:10] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:10] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:10] what WM are you using? [10:11] Action: zuhair is using a desktop manager [10:11] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [10:12] snama, who? [10:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [10:12] anyone of you [10:12] kde [10:12] 4 [10:12] and i also use openbox [10:12] ok [10:12] zuhair: DEs still need WMs [10:13] iam planning on install awesome when i get slack installed [10:13] tried it in debian [10:13] liked it [10:13] Action: sitwon rocks Fluxbox (with occasional Awesome or WMII, and lots and lots of 'screen') [10:13] snama: I use kwin [10:13] ok [10:13] snama: I use KDE 3.5.10 [10:14] awesome is not as much win as the name would imply... :( [10:14] kde 3.5 is nice [10:14] schpenke (n=schpenke@cpe-67-9-246-172.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: "BitchX: take the red pill" [10:14] hitest* [10:14] snama: and xfwm4 on my laptop [10:14] also, I haven't seens a Slackbuild for awesome 3.x [10:15] compile yourself? [10:15] snama: of course [10:15] I'm just saying, it's nice to have Slackbuilds [10:15] sitwon: the reason for that is (IIRC) that awesome 3.x needs a newer cairo library than is shipped with stock slackware 12.2 [10:16] but is there any big difference between 2.x and 3? [10:16] snama: yes. [10:17] like? [10:17] new scripting system [10:18] ok [10:18] snama: read this thread http://lists.slackbuilds.org/pipermail/slackbuilds-users/2009-February/003809.html [10:18] I emailed the author with a long list of complaints for 2.x and he said 90% of my complaints were already fixed in 3.x [10:18] I don't remember the specific list off the top of my head [10:18] I haven't tried 3.x yet because I'm lazy [10:19] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@213.13.224.202) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:19] Fluxbox and wmii are sufficient for the time being [10:19] I could neer get used to tiling WM's :( [10:19] schpenke (n=schpenke@cpe-67-9-246-172.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Action: sitwon wishes Fluxbox would add a tiling mode [10:19] matsuura (n=umeii@pool-173-58-10-241.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:19] sitwon: http://lists.slackbuilds.org/pipermail/slackbuilds-users/2009-February/003811.html <-- that explains why and SBo's official p.o.v. [10:20] BP{k}: thanks [10:21] BP{k}: I'm not running -current anymore, does it have the updated libs needed for awesome3? [10:22] exeoeoe (i=Executio@94.223.176.56) joined ##slackware. [10:23] where can i find packages to install using slackpkg [10:23] sitwon: I am not sure what libs awesome3 need (nor overly care). I know cairo was updated and gtk+2 as well. [10:23] eross: any slackware mirror (see /etc/slackpkg/mirrors ) [10:23] exeoeoe (i=Executio@94.223.176.56) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:23] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:24] awesome is just a fork of dwm isnt it? [10:24] oh it's a repo.. [10:24] pig_pen yes [10:25] eross: slackpkg is only intended for updating slackware. It's not some magical all-in-one tool. [10:25] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] looks like Awesome updated their wiki for Slackware: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/index.php?title=Awesome-3-Slackware [10:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] I'd try it, honestly. [10:27] it's very well spelled out, and safe. worst bet is you upgradepkg back to the default cairo package [10:28] worst case, you mess up some fonts for awhile ;) [10:29] snama (n=snama@c-4f66f6b4-74736162.cust.telenor.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:30] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [10:30] thrice`: I agree, but I'm still gonna put it off for a while. learning a new WM is always distracting for the first couple of days so I need to wait for another slow week [10:30] especially a tiling WM :) [10:31] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-211.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:31] btw, the default in -current is still to disable xcb [10:32] nixlix3r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[10:43] hello guys [10:43] one big question [10:43] i had a machine and i created a user tomcat [10:43] and now every file that belonged to root, now belongs to tomcat [10:43] how can i undo this? [10:43] what do you mean, every file ? [10:43] thrice`, like hosts [10:43] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:43] inittab [10:43] eerything [10:43] even root's home, now belongs to user tomcat [10:44] er, that shouldn't be possible :( [10:44] user tomcat,was created with a simple: useradd tomcat [10:44] -rw-r--r-- 1 tomcat tomcat 784 Apr 30 14:46 /etc/group [10:44] LnxSlck: what did you give as the home directory for that user [10:44] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] BP{k}, i only did useradd tomcat [10:44] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-221-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:45] BP{k}, and i have one home for tomcat user [10:45] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:45] check tomcat's user and groupid [10:45] i mean, tomcat has it's own home [10:45] you didn't run any chown command ? [10:45] tomcat:x:786: [10:45] thrice`, no [10:45] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:46] and cat /root/.bash_history | grep chown (or whatever bash's history is) confirms that? [10:46] LnxSlck: personally I am gonna go with "you fucked something up." [10:46] jaka_poleng (i=1000@114.121.14.250) joined ##slackware. [10:46] thrice`, chown tomcat.tomcat jre-6u12-linux-i586-rpm.bin [10:47] thrice`, that's the only result i got [10:47] BP{k}, how? [10:47] btw; rather interesting that it has a UID of 786 ... that is not a default UID [10:47] ok, so when you said you didn't run any chown command, that was not true. are you SURE there isn't anything else ? [10:47] thrice`, yes [10:48] that's the only result [10:48] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] can you pastebin your root's bash history ? [10:48] Could you guys recommend some cool podcasts? [10:48] good evening all.... [10:48] remove any mplayer pr0n.avi or w/e [10:48] useradd uses the first free UID > 1000 (and I just tried it on my machine. And this is the entry that got created: tomcat:x:1001:100::/home/tomcat: [10:48] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] Gimped (n=Gimped@75.36.221.177) joined ##slackware. [10:48] BP{k}, so user created failed some how [10:48] is that chown tomcat.tomcat, not the chown tomcat:tomcat? [10:48] wait... [10:49] -rw-r--r-- 1 tomcat tomcat 784 Apr 30 14:46 /etc/group [10:49] why is /etc/group owned tomcat.tomcat? [10:49] BP{k}, if i change it's UID will everything be back to normal? [10:49] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:49] wait.. [10:49] Action: Dominian reads up... [10:49] nixlix3r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:49] Dominian, that's what we are trying to find out [10:49] LnxSlck: for one, useradd .. nor slackware doesn't create UID and GID the same. [10:49] you chown -R ? [10:49] Dominian, no [10:49] LnxSlck: pastebin your history [10:49] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8CDC4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] useradd makes no changes to ownership of anything [10:51] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:51] Dominian, that's why i don't understand [10:51] my question is [10:51] removing user tomcat will remove every file he owns ? [10:51] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] useradd in fact only creates the /etc/passwd entry. Not even shadow is created [10:51] ok, it's impossible for us to guess any more without seeing exactly what you did [10:52] Rogue useradd binary? [10:52] Isn't there a script from alienBOB that checks permissions and corrects them? [10:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [10:52] I am with thrice` .. I like to see a complete output of his "history" command on a pastebin [10:53] zuhair (n=zuhair@202.59.174.193) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:53] jaka_poleng (i=1000@114.121.14.250) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:53] BP{k}, i'm checking history from the time i did useradd [10:53] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:53] Herman (n=Hermann@h10n3c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [10:54] lowkyalur (n=low@82.82.64.14) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Rogue useradd binary? [10:55] doubtful, but possible ;) [10:55] LnxSlck : If I understand your question correctly, no, removing the user Tomcat won't remove the files that Tomcat owns. It will just remove user Tomcat from file permissions. [10:55] LnxSlck: you going through your own history won't do much good [10:56] Dominian, this is a machine that other users use [10:56] so i'm seeing if someone else did somethign wrong [10:56] and do those other users have root access as well? [10:56] eh [10:56] You give other people access to root? [10:56] BP{k}, yes [10:56] lol [10:56] hehe [10:56] I'm out [10:56] later all [10:57] 837 adduser -p tomcat tomcat [10:57] 838 su - tomcat [10:57] 839 man passwd [10:57] Channel flood from LnxSlck -- kicking [10:57] 840 passwd tomcat [10:57] LnxSlck kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:57] Lexus1, can i have root? [10:57] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.224.202) joined ##slackware. [10:57] sorry [10:57] there it is [10:58] LnxSlck: why give out root access? [10:58] L [10:58] m [10:58] hitest, i need to be leet [10:58] hitest, this is a machine that is operated and owned by several people [10:58] edman007: what do you mean? [10:58] edman007: lol [10:58] LnxSlck: uh,... [10:58] Lexus1, my bad...that was for LnxSlck , but he dodged the message [10:58] ok :) [10:58] LnxSlck, give me root [10:59] edman007, =) [10:59] %) [10:59] LnxSlck: it would be really helpful if you 1) start to understand what we ask 2) give us the thruth. [10:59] I just did useradd tomcat, lulz [10:59] LnxSlck: there should only be one admin on a machine [10:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:59] but as much as Dominian, I am out .. it's too early to be dealing with -ENOCLUE [10:59] hitest, and me [10:59] lol [10:59] i need to be the inverse-admin [11:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:00] hitest, this is a machine that is owned by several people [11:00] how do i add a wpa2 key from a terminal? [11:00] i just wonder if userdel will remove every file that the user owns [11:00] desja004, wpa_supplicant...edit its config or something [11:00] no, it won't LnxSlck [11:00] LnxSlck, nooper [11:00] thanks [11:00] s/nooper/no/ [11:00] LnxSlck: okay. but giving out root access to several people makes no sense to me [11:00] just as useradd did not change it, userdel will not un-change it [11:01] LnxSlck: if you can't tell the difference between adduser and useradd .. you should not be root. [11:01] Action: edman007 high fives BP{k} [11:01] edman007: so if the device is wlan0 what would be the correct syntax? [11:01] hitest, yeap, but the machine is owned by all, so everyone messses in it.. it's like a personal project [11:01] desja004, you MUST use wpa_supplicant for wpa, which means configuring that, read the man page for it [11:02] thrice`, now everything is owned by 876 [11:02] i mean 786 [11:02] You'll want to use wpa_passphrase and edman007's statement. [11:03] thrice`, any idea? [11:03] LnxSlck: I understand the idea that several people use the machine, but, it is a poor practice to give out root access to other users. [11:03] yes, you (or someone) fucked up perms, and there isn't an easy way to fix them [11:04] hitest, yes indeed [11:04] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:04] thrice`, can i do a chown -R root.root on root's home? [11:04] or is it root:root? [11:04] there is a script that Alan_Hicks wrote to fix them, if you're on slack [11:04] I am not going to tell you which is proper. I don't think you should be using a root account, presonally [11:05] LnxSlck: can you explain to me, just for my ammusement and sheer morbid curiosity .. why in the name of Cerberus left infested testicle do *you* have root access? [11:05] BP{k}, it's my machine as well [11:05] egad [11:05] this is a pet project for me and my friends [11:06] can't see whats wrong with trying to learn stuff [11:06] LnxSlck: I hope you never get a dog or so. [11:06] if that's the way youdeal with pet things :P [11:06] lol [11:06] lol [11:06] I can't find alan hicks' script, unfortunately [11:06] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.145.68) left ##slackware. [11:07] LnxSlck: ther eis nothing wrong with learning. But learning as root is a big fat no no [11:07] ok [11:07] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] this is a machine exactly for that [11:07] to learn [11:07] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.12.2) joined ##slackware. [11:07] since every distro does perms differently, there is no "fix it" command [11:08] thrice`, so the solution is to chown every directory? [11:08] le' sigh [11:09] (no, it's not) [11:09] so? no fix possible? [11:09] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:10] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] of course it is possible. [11:13] http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/msg/72fefb8ebf4e36dc [11:13] lowkyalur (n=low@82.82.64.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:13] http://dunedin.lug.net.nz/forums/archive/index.php/t-161998.html [11:13] read those two [11:14] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8CDC4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:15] gm152_ (n=quassel@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] ok i think i am doing this right but it doesn't seem to be working. i first ran wpa_passphrase "ESSID" "PASSKEY" ... i copied that output to /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ... chmod 640 /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf on it and ran /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_start and it tells me error for wireless request "Set Nickname" [11:15] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8F2C0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] desja004: thats' a warning, and should be OK [11:16] thrice`: but should i be online after that because ping google says unknown host [11:16] if you edited rc.inet1.conf correctly [11:16] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:17] oh i guess i didn't know i had to edit rc.inet1.conf too [11:18] one sec, I'll grab mine as an example [11:18] thrice`, thanks [11:18] http://rafb.net/p/BdGKL039.html [11:18] desja004: there is my rc.inet1.conf and wpa_supplicant.conf [11:19] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.195) joined ##slackware. [11:19] ok thanks [11:19] i'll take a look [11:19] specifically, the section for wlan0 in rc.inet1.conf to sell it to use wpa_supplicant [11:20] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-211.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [11:21] also, if that still doesn't get it, this page explains in detail how rc.inet1.conf is used to interface with wpa_supplicant: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa_encryption [11:25] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [11:28] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:31] hmm ... i am still not getting it to work and i believe everything is set up correctly according to the documents [11:31] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:31] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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THanks [11:38] setup dnsmasq on your desktop [11:38] =) [11:38] or even bind and use zones.. [11:39] hm, I was afraid you were going to propose that :-S [11:39] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] :P [11:39] hai [11:40] hello chix0rzzzzzzzzzzzz [11:40] :D [11:40] sup foo [11:40] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "tricolor, tricolor, tricolor" [11:40] nadda much, procrastination going back to get some more stuff from my old place. [11:40] so i can watch tv heh [11:41] what about yourself foo [11:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:42] fed the baby and he puked up all over me so i put him in his crib and waited half hour re fed him now he's asleep. got my laptop working [11:44] lol [11:44] he was eating way too fast though that's why [11:45] how would i install wicd? i see it's in /extra [11:45] installpkg [11:46] just type installpkg wicd? [11:46] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@69.204.70.243) left irc: [11:51] installpkg yomomma-pkg.tgz ? [11:52] ahaha [11:52] desja004: well, installpkg /path/to/extra/wicd/wicd-1.5.0-blah-blah.tgz [11:52] er, 1.5.7 or whatever [11:52] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [11:52] acidchi|d, drop it like its hot [11:53] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [11:53] rwar [11:53] xD [11:55] maciell_ (n=maciell@189-041-89-240.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:55] superGear (i=supergea@97-122-165-116.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Any idea? http://rafb.net/p/eBMfkm87.html [11:56] maciell_: dmesg | grep eth ? [11:57] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Now I'm not on slackware. But on debian shows it: http://rafb.net/p/S0CDk095.html [11:59] ok so i decided i would use wicd instead of the command line but wicd doesn't even see my interface [11:59] rhleis (n=rhleiss@94.187.91.26) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Does anyone remember how to change/set the passwd for Adaptec Storage Manager? [11:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [11:59] goatdog (n=goatdog@tn-76-7-133-147.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] :) [12:07] ragsagar (n=ragsagar@59.93.10.1) joined ##slackware. [12:07] is X modular packages available in slackware dvd [12:08] anyone know why wicd cant' see my wireless device? [12:08] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:09] desja004, try bringing the interface up [12:09] ifconfig eth0 up (or wlan0, etc) [12:09] is X source code availble in slackware dvd? [12:10] nope [12:10] iwlist scanning shows it though [12:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:20] desja004 (n=user@c-76-17-197-161.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [12:20] KFreeBSD (n=k@189.12.183.170) joined ##slackware. [12:21] maciell_ (n=maciell@189-041-89-240.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [12:21] ragsagar, I'm sure it's in the source/x folder of the dvd ;) [12:23] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:24] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:24] Tux_ (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-24-232.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [12:25] Does anyone remember how to change/set the passwd for Adaptec Storage Manager? [12:26] rhleis : why don't you ask that in more channels? [12:26] is X source code availble in slackware dvd? [12:26] now its broken into different modules [12:26] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-24-232.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:26] 12:21 < Tux_> ragsagar, I'm sure it's in the source/x folder of the dvd ;) [12:27] got it [12:27] :) [12:27] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:28] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.15) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [12:28] =) [12:28] I think I've never reboot so often than this week [12:28] I like the getpid man page. "These functions are always successful." [12:29] pi31415, and don't forget that on linux, malloc() always succeeds ;) [12:32] hmmm, a server with mysql, ssh ports but msrpc and microsoft-ds too... [12:33] I guess these were false-positives : there is proftpd, openssh, bind, httpd, imapd, pop3d, mysql [12:34] KFreeBSD (n=k@189.12.183.170) left ##slackware. [12:36] rhleis (n=rhleiss@94.187.91.26) left ##slackware. [12:41] karyon (i=silvia@217.202.199.83) joined ##slackware. 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[12:53] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [12:53] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [12:54] Level15 (n=nobody@186.80.211.217) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:55] Camarade_Tux: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/read.cgi?id=20050803&tid=1742856 [12:55] haha [12:55] It means something. [12:55] lots of google hits. [12:57] agentc0re, ,o [12:57] ... ;p [12:59] and my accent is not bad enough to pronounce that ;) [13:00] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [13:00] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [13:00] has anyone tried swiftweasel? [13:01] swiftweasel ? [13:02] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] Action: Camarade_Tux had never heard of that [13:02] sounds like debian crap [13:02] its a pgo build of fx for linux [13:04] "6. Numerous other small changes to make Swiftweasel as responsive as possible. " <- I won't try it until they say what these are (the other 5 elements are meaningless performance-wise) [13:04] pgo ? [13:05] profile guided optimization [13:05] its waht windows builds use [13:05] what* [13:05] and they're always fasterthan linux builds [13:05] a webkit-based browser would be a better bet to get improved performance [13:05] I'llstick with fx [13:05] pgo would roughly bring ff a 10% improvement [13:06] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Camarade_Tux: better see the benchmarks as its much more than that [13:06] ttyX, how much ? if it is more than 20%, the benchmark (or the compiler) is flawed [13:07] lol [13:07] even wine beats linux [13:07] so does windows [13:07] I mean fx version [13:08] wine doesn't incur a big performance hit if the app doesn't do lots of system calls [13:08] http://www.tuxradar.com/content/browser-benchmarks-2-even-wine-beats-linux-firefox [13:09] ttyx: I read it was because firefox enables some javascript optimizations on Windows that are not enabled on Linux because it is tricky to get them to work right on Linux. [13:09] RaeGrepus (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] the improvement is roughly 18% so between 10% and 20% ;) [13:09] ttyx: kind of like how Chrome runs on Windows but is only alpha quality on Linux [13:09] pi31415: its pgo [13:09] pi31415, which optimizations ? (I'm just curious) [13:10] mozilla will bring pgo to linux with fx3.5 [13:10] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@KMLVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:10] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [13:10] pi31415, the reason for chrome is other : they first targetted windows and are using LOTS of windows-specific APIs [13:10] and they have their own renderer which means it needs work too [13:11] Camarade_Tux: despite webkit and v8 being cross-platform from the beginning [13:11] pi31415, chrome's tab-per-process is absolutely not cross-platform [13:11] konqueror beats chrome I heard [13:11] the KDE4 version [13:11] it uses the same engine [13:12] hmmm, khtml and kjs are ooold [13:12] maybe that it used webkit as a renderer instead [13:12] midori is a nice browser [13:12] stillborn (n=blow_my_@YKMMCCCXXII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:13] the trouble with webkit-gtk (which midori uses) is it still lacks some things and crashes when something is missing [13:14] well, it doesn't crash actually, it just exits and it doesn't always behave like that but some things are really missing currently in webkit-gtk [13:16] the thing is extensions make fx slow [13:16] same fate awaits chrome and others [13:17] konq. 4 is about the slowest [13:17] ff is slow without extensions, I don't have any and that doesn't make it any faster ;p [13:17] In C, how do I find the integer index of the first letter A in a string? [13:18] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19] It seems that I must either do pointer arithmetic, or write my own loop. [13:19] man strchr [13:20] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.248) joined ##slackware. [13:20] (so yeah, it means pointer arithmetic but it shouldn't be hard ;) ) [13:22] understanding pointers(and specific arithmetic) is a necessity for programmers. [13:22] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.195) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:22] :( [13:23] I mean basically that just means foo[i] = *(foo + i) [13:25] multimas: pointer arithmetic should only be used when necessary [13:25] pointer arithmetic is really easy here : [13:25] foo[i] is more legible than *(char *)((int)foo + i) [13:25] heh [13:26] superGear (i=supergea@97-122-165-116.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [13:26] Understanding what is going on is important, which was my only point. [13:26] pi31415, I prefer using t[i] too but I'd rather do some arithmetic than write my own loop (it's so easy it's easier than that) [13:27] Nick change: RaeGrepus -> supergear [13:27] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F05.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Camarade_Tux: btw, do you really want to just find the offset? [13:29] Camarade_Tux: (For, index/rindex is usually what you really want) [13:29] multimas, oh yeah, index works too, I didn't know that (I don't do much C [13:29] ) [13:30] it more than "works" [13:30] It usually does what you actually want [13:30] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: "Leaving." [13:30] ie, gives you a pointer to the string at the offset [13:31] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [13:31] const char *str = "a=b"; char *p = index(str, '='); int offset = (int)p - (int)str; [13:32] I see that p has lost the const [13:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) joined ##slackware. [13:32] The code also assumes that pointers are the same as int, which is not true on all platforms. [13:32] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:33] and not all compilers! [13:33] ragsagar (n=ragsagar@59.93.10.1) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:33] I meant compilers [13:33] :] [13:33] heh [13:34] I would recommend the "C syntax" and "Pointer (computing)" articles on wikipedia, they are both good resources of information. [13:34] const char *str = "a=b"; int offset = -1; int i; for (i = 0; str[i] != '\0' && str[i] != '='; i++); if (str[i] != '\0') {offset = i;} [13:35] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:37] It would appear that I am capable of implementing my own int strindex(const char *str, int c); function, if necessary.. but I did not know if it was necessary. [13:37] An other thing which should be considered here is wchar support [13:38] (depending on the use I suppose) [13:39] multimas, for wchar you're not able to implement it _correctly_ ;) [13:39] (nobody is) [13:39] :] [13:40] No wonder people love scripting languages. [13:40] tecky (n=guest@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:41] C: Get ready for a beating. Script: Here you go! [13:42] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:42] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.239) joined ##slackware. [13:42] playing something with mplayer gives me this error: [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [13:43] but sound does come out, and everything (so far as I can tell) is working.. should I just learn to ignore the error? (and just click 'OK') or what? [13:43] pi31415: so the bad implementation would use pointer arithmetic, ie unsigned int i = 0; while(*str++ != 0 && *str != '=') i++; [13:43] pi31415: ? [13:43] tecky (n=guest@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:44] tecky (n=guest@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] of course that won't even work if = is at 0 [13:44] and doing the inc on the last reference would be bad praxis [13:44] mmmm [13:45] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:45] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-144-112-117.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:45] so "while(*str != 0 && *str++ != '=')" would work I suppose but alas it is bad praxis [13:46] danillo (i=slack@201-69-144-163.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Ficthe: my first guess would be that mplayer does not have access privileges to /dev/dsp, so it fell back to some other audio driver [13:47] s/access privileges to/privileges to access/ [13:49] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[13:56] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.224.202) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:56] won't it be done at every boot by adding that to rc.local? o.0 [13:56] multimas: I am not sure what did it, but I found the privileges reverting if I did not add it to rc.local [13:57] s/privileges/permissions/ [13:57] that should not be happening. [13:57] So that doesn't really fix the problem, it just goes around it. [13:57] either way why would you give all users write priveleges? [13:58] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:58] multimas: because I am the only user [13:58] Ficthe: firstly, can you play music as root? [13:58] multimas, yes, I do believe so [13:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:58] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:58] secondly, mplayer should not be talking to /dev/dsp directly itself, it should go through alsas dmix [13:58] Ficthe: believe? Just try it and find out. [13:59] the only problem is that error message I get -- everything seems to work perfectly, the audio plays everywhere, just that that message occurs [13:59] monstro (i=1000@201-43-250-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:59] goatdog (n=goatdog@tn-76-7-133-147.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:59] Ficthe: I just joined a bit ago, what message do you get? [13:59] Ficthe: can you pastebin the complete log and not just that line? [13:59] I'll have to log out to verify? can I do something like: echo "lkjalsdjflajsdf" > /dev/dsp? [13:59] Ficthe: ar you a member of the audio group? [13:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:59] Ficthe: just use mplayer as root. [13:59] you don't want to use mplayer as root. [14:00] sure you do [14:00] to see if it works. [14:00] better than piping crap (as root anyway) to dsp [14:00] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:00] yes, as I test, I thought you meant all the time. :P [14:00] s/I/a [14:01] [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [14:01] I still get that^ when playing as root [14:01] Ficthe: yes but pastebin the *complete* output please [14:01] Ficthe: and your user is in the audio group as pprkut suggested? [14:01] Ficthe: change the audio output driver to something else than oss [14:01] http://pastebin.com/m5451281c [14:01] Ficthe: you said the audio *worked*, even in mplayer, even with that message, right+ [14:02] ? [14:02] yeah [14:02] looks like it [14:02] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.10.148) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:02] multimas, correct -- just as I played it with root, and it played when I was a regular user as well [14:02] libao ("AO") is *trying* to use dsp via OSS [14:02] but fails [14:02] and then succeeds with alsa [14:02] firebird619, sorry - can you say how I can verify? [14:02] so it is working exactly as it should. [14:03] Ficthe: In mplayer, right click, go to preferences, Audio tab, try alsa, click ok, and then restart mplayer and see if the message appears. [14:03] pprkut, that should be done in some mplayer config file, correct? [14:03] Ficthe: in a terminal, type id. [14:03] bash-3.1# id \n uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1(bin),2(daemon),3(sys),4(adm),6(disk),10(wheel),11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),26(tape),83(plugdev) [14:03] Ficthe: you can do it on the command line, wait a sec [14:03] Ficthe: you seriously do not need access to dsp. [14:03] Ficthe: Ok, sorry, can you do that as normal user. [14:03] bash-3.1$ id \n uid=1000(river) gid=100(users) groups=6(disk),10(wheel),11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),83(plugdev),84(power),93(scanner),100(users) [14:04] Ficthe: even if you do that hack, all dmix capabilities will stop working. [14:04] Ficthe: Ok, your in the audio group. [14:04] Ficthe: mplayer -ao file [14:04] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) joined ##slackware. [14:05] what's the ? I just tried mplayer -ao asdf.mp3 and mplayer didn't like that command [14:05] Ficthe: like -ao alsa [14:05] Ficthe: indeed as pprkut said. "-ao alsa" [14:05] alsa, oss, openal, sdl, etc... [14:05] Ficthe: let us know how that pans out. [14:05] http://pastebin.com/mebd4b83 [14:05] seems okay - not that error anymore [14:06] ok [14:06] to make it permanent, [14:06] echo ao=alsa >> ~/.mplayer/config [14:06] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:06] cool, now mplayer without specifying the driver no longer gives the error, thanks :) [14:07] so, what's the problem here, by the way? o.0 [14:07] Ficthe: no problem at all [14:07] Ficthe: mplayer was just being verbose [14:07] Ficthe: It went through a list of drivers until it found one that worked. you saw the failed ones, being OSS. [14:08] oh, just a hoop that all slackware users have to jump through, hey [14:08] it seems odd that it would give me that error that, when I start mplayer in X [14:08] that usually indicates to a user that there's a problem that needs to be looked into [14:08] multimas: negative, you only see the one used [14:08] pprkut: Incorrect. See previous pastebins. [14:09] sorry, my mistake [14:09] Ficthe: However in the future (now that you have told mplayer what you want) and alsa fails, it WILL fail without trying other output plugins. [14:09] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-24-232.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [14:09] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.10.148) joined ##slackware. [14:09] hey Old_Fogie :) [14:09] hello all [14:10] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie [14:10] hey pprkut, :) [14:10] almost BBQ time! [14:10] How are you Old_Fogie? feeling any better? [14:10] T - 2 hrs and counting [14:10] Mmmmm BBQ. :) [14:10] and in those instances, I would have to take that out of the mplayer conf, or can I specify an -ao argument with something like *, so that it does try other things? [14:10] firebird619, yea I took a few tylenol sinus and the "mother" of all hot showers :) [14:11] mm cold pizza for lunch [14:11] Ficthe: move your conf somewhere, mm [14:11] cold pizza is good sometimes. [14:11] pi31415, oh that's always a good choice, but better after a few beers in the middle of the night [14:11] Ficthe: By the way, "find *.mp3" does not do what you think it does. [14:12] Ficthe: the correct syntax is "find . -name "*.mp3"" [14:12] multimas, it did what I wanted it to do, though o.0 [14:12] Ficthe: *.mp3 in bash expanded to .mp3, and find just listed what you gave it. [14:12] Ficthe: "ls *.mp3" would be *identical* [14:13] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [14:13] Ficthe: either way you could even expand the glob directly to mplayer - "mplayer *.mp3" [14:14] Ficthe: oh well - just a caution for the future :) so you don't get confused.. [14:14] multimas, that command would have played all of the files in the *.mp3 scope sequentially one-by-one, no? [14:14] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Ficthe: yep. [14:14] (hitting return would of course skip each track though) [14:15] I'm trying to think how "find *.mp3" could return something like "ls *.mp3" [14:15] I'm not sure what yo umeant there [14:15] well [14:15] for example: [14:16] for fap in *.mp3; do echo omg globbed to $fap; done [14:16] find a b c [14:16] touch a b c [14:16] well atleast my acid3test score jumped after the upgrade [14:16] find a b c [14:16] rm a b c [14:16] ... [14:16] find . -iname "*.mp3" [14:16] thrice`: that is overcourse. [14:16] thrice`: just trying to explain what he did wrong here ;) [14:17] oh :\ [14:17] Hmm.. this used to work. I'm not sure what happened all of a sudden: http://rafb.net/p/9s4v9f28.html [14:18] pprkut, I have a question about the updated qt4. I suppose I want the package to be compatible to the way it was before the most recent update you made, as the apps' for qt4 that I use work with the prior package. I'm ok with having to rebuild them. So the way I read this, I would want the stock script action of raster=no, and I do wan to use the patches, and I dont want phonon. Sound about right? [14:19] multimas, you dedicated enough words to it, I think I'll definitely remember to use it correctly now. thanks :) [14:19] Old_Fogie: first, you shouldn't have to recompile any of your apps for the new layout [14:20] Old_Fogie: it should be compatible, as folder/link are just reversed [14:20] I believe, of qt4 off the toop of my head, I have stellarium, and the keepassx, I think that's all I have. [14:20] Ficthe: it is well worth having a closer look at find. It is quite a work of art :) [14:20] pprkut, so that's really the only apps I'm using with qt4. [14:21] Old_Fogie: otherwise, in a non-kde4 environment I would go with raster=no, qt-copy=yes, phonon=yes [14:21] pprkut, aha, great thank you. [14:21] Old_Fogie: should work [14:21] vahnx (n=vahnx3@NTL208H90-243-136.nt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Old_Fogie: the phonon switch is there because in -current you have kde's phonon (and supposedly don't want qt4's internal version) [14:22] anyone know where the default apache httpd.conf is located on a fresh 12.2 install? [14:22] /etc/httpd/ [14:22] pprkut, oh I see. [14:23] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-211.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] I'm off. Peace :) [14:23] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-211.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:23] pprkut, so I felt adventurous and tried building latest pulse. heh, needs libtool 2.X.. which built fine actually, but woh, things have changed a lot on the pulse. it's a ton of work, I think if I were you I'd run from maintaining that :) [14:23] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:24] isn't most everything on libtool 2 anyway ? [14:24] Old_Fogie: it's in deep bugfixing mode for a few months now. I won't touch it as long as it works with vbox ;) [14:25] it's free for anyone to take it over ;) [14:25] oh, slackware is still on 1.5.x [14:25] thrice`, maybe, I dont know really. this was the first app that I saw that required this libtool version. since gnome 2.26 uses _only_ the latest pulse..and that needs the 2.x libtool, I noticed ubunut is using only that 2.X libtool..so I ?guess? most upstream stuff is now libtool 2.X compatible? I dont know. but I built almost half of all my repo so far, and not *one* breakage yet :) [14:26] pprkut, the pulse, yeah it's a nightmare..nah, kidding, it's just very involved. it's not something a guy like me, one night sits down, and ./configure,make && make install :) i [14:26] Nick change: roorah_ -> roorah [14:27] looks like gentoo is still on 1.5.26. might be able to rip a few patches from them :) [14:27] thrice`, I'm almost inclined to send a list of packages that I built to Mr. V and SBo (as my scripts are from SBo) showing if anything built or did not build on libtool 2.x so that they can see compare notes in their decision to bump up libtool or not. [14:28] but I've got a ton of stuff that I replace on slack 12.1, all gnome, kde 3.5.10 built so far on this new libtool, and autoconf and automake (from --current) [14:28] and, so far..so good. let's hope devil's not in the details, heh. [14:28] you and your 12.1 ;) [14:28] thrice`, intel remember :( [14:29] intel, old r300 [14:29] r300 sounds like radeon [14:29] yes, it's tolerable, but nothing to write home about :(. [14:29] thrice`, ironically, it can get compiz fusion [14:29] but a simple flash, is a no go. I dont get it. [14:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:31] thrice`, but me running 12.1 and backporting a lot from --current on my dev box is kind of neat. I'm learning a lot about the system, and so that's pretty cool. At my own pace. Slow at times, but steady, heh. [14:31] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:31] thrice`, I think after the libtool build finishes, I might try my hand at backporting the latest python. [14:32] alot of rebuilds from the changelog :) [14:32] thrice`, that's why I was thinking it hahahah, he's showing us "the way" :) [14:33] uh konqueror seems to not be loading right now all of a sudden, konqueror in terminal does error while loading shared libraries: libkparts.so.2 [14:33] thrice`, it's kind of neat doing stuff like that tho. I got the latest hplip running too. [14:33] vahnx, have you added anything or removed something? [14:33] hm, yesterday i updated slackware [14:34] it replaced kde 3.5 with 4.2 [14:34] what is "it" > [14:34] ?* [14:34] the update [14:34] sorry, I meant, how did you update ? [14:34] with some program, cant remmeber what its called 1 sec [14:34] O.o [14:34] Action: Old_Fogie says uh oh [14:34] slackgrade [14:34] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [14:35] what is that? [14:35] http://slackgrade.sourceforge.net/ [14:35] its actually really good [14:35] I've never even heard of slackgrade [14:35] anything wrong with slackpkg ? [14:35] vahnx, which slackware version are you running? [14:35] never tried it [14:35] 12.2 [14:35] eg, th eone that ships with slackware [14:35] oh my..oh my [14:35] O.O lol <--- slack newb [14:35] vahnx, they upgraded you to slackware --current from 12.2 [14:35] it sounds like. [14:36] vahnx, kde 4 series isn't in Slackware 12.2 [14:37] hm O.O [14:37] i do miss 3.5 in some ways [14:38] Fiyawerkin (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:38] those screen shots.. they look like an ancient kde version. is this project even active anymore. the web page is dated 04' ? [14:38] yeah it did seem old, but works excellent as everything upgrade fine, except i guess konqueror [14:39] it looks like it half-upgraded you [14:39] yeah, the last update was almost 5 years ago to their software [14:39] can you pastebin "ls /var/log/packages/{qt*,kde*} ? [14:39] i got the latest firefox, amorak, kde but konqueror is the only broke [14:39] k hjopefully i dont get kicked [14:39] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-ar-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:39] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-bg-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:39] Channel flood from vahnx -- kicking [14:39] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-bn_IN-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:39] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-ca-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:39] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-cs-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:39] vahnx kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [14:39] I wouldn't doubt you could have udev, and hal issues, heck anything with a .conf [14:39] vahnx (n=vahnx3@NTL208H90-243-136.nt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-de-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:39] stop [14:39] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-el-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-en_GB-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-es-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] pastebin = rafb.net/paste [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-et-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] vahnx, pastebin [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-eu-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-fi-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-fr-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] waaaah [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-ga-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-gl-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-gu-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-he-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-hi-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [14:40] too late [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-hu-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] STOP [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-is-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] lol [14:40] oh my [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-it-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-ja-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] wtf l [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-kk-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] wow [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-km-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-kn-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-ko-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] ignore time [14:40] slackboy wake up [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-ku-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-lt-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-lv-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] Channel flood from vahnx -- kicking [14:40] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-mai-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:40] vahnx kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [14:40] vahnx, welcome to everyone's ignore list [14:40] ghods [14:40] . [14:40] vahnx (n=vahnx3@NTL208H90-243-136.nt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] sheesh [14:41] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-nds-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:41] vahnx: STOP [14:41] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-nl-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:41] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-nn-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:41] oh my [14:41] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-pa-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:41] ... [14:41] it's honestly not that annoying to me, it just annoys me that there is someone stupid enough to do it [14:41] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-pl-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:41] stop [14:41] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-pt-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:41] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-pt_BR-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:41] I just rolled outta bed and I see this... [14:41] agin zomg [14:41] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-ro-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:41] /var/log/packages/kde-l10n-ru-4.2.2-noarch-1 [14:41] ffs [14:41] /var/log/pa [14:41] u get all that? [14:41] oh it wasnt too much =S srry [14:41] no [14:41] ill pastebin next time [14:41] pastbin! [14:41] whats going on [14:41] gah [14:41] im not doing anything [14:41] wow [14:41] i just pasted like 20 lines of text once [14:41] only once [14:41] you pasted.. [14:41] got kicked [14:41] rejoined and did it again [14:41] it did it automatically [14:41] now, pastebin what I asked [14:41] lol he did? [14:41] jeeze i seen that from across the room while i was talking on the radio [14:42] because what you pasted was not comlete [14:42] yeah, don't even do that once [14:42] i didnt see it [14:42] http://imagebin.org/47682 :D My toe, an update of disgusting! :P (not for the faint of heart) [14:42] complete [14:42] Pig_Pen, are you rush limbaugh? [14:42] then turn off autorejoin [14:42] i did /join [14:42] then you have no excuse [14:42] nope, i have a BIG CB radio base station [14:42] must have been an xchat glitch [14:42] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] =/ [14:42] look at the kick message [14:42] xchat glitch? doubtful.. [14:43] vahnx: I notice you have every single language from kdei installed. Do you really speak all those languages? [14:43] i only pasted once, got kicked, rejoined and u guys said it was still happenning [14:43] some sort of copy & paste go awry maybe [14:43] no lol i can remove them in the future ^_^ [14:43] vahnx: ok, anyway, pastebin what I asked please [14:43] (12:40:47 PM) vahnx left the room (Kicked by slackboy (flood)). [14:43] yeah i never heard of it before [14:43] rafb.net/paste [14:43] k 1 sec [14:43] pastie.org, pastebin.ca [14:43] that was the mother of all floods there [14:44] how many times did it paste it?? [14:44] Old_Fogie: that was a wilder ride than a netsplit. :P [14:44] i only ctrl+ved once [14:44] I even got my speedo on for the flood [14:44] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:44] haha [14:44] http://pastie.org/466892 [14:44] Old_Fogie is old enough to remember the big flood that lasted 40 days & 40 nights, too :) [14:44] Urchlay, hahah ++ [14:44] :O [14:44] good swimmer, that Old_Fogie [14:44] vahnx: ok, see how your tool installed kde4 on TOP of 3.5 ? [14:45] oooh, ouch [14:45] it removed kde 3.5 [14:45] *If all the girls were across the sea, what a great swimmer Old_Fogie would be* [14:45] Old_Fogie deserves an award for surviving that :p [14:45] Old_Fogie: lol [14:45] well, didn't remove some 3.5.x stuff anyway [14:45] ah [14:45] so what was vahnx malfunction? [14:45] konqueror is not launching [14:45] Action: firebird619 gives Old_Fogie the "Flood Survivor" Award. :P [14:46] no shit, it's because your tool did a crappy upgrade job [14:46] everything else runs fine [14:46] Pig_Pen, I suppose he's new to irc, so we'll blame thrice` for asking him to paste the /var/log then :) [14:46] konqueror sucks anyways. [14:46] just konqueror [14:46] agreed [14:46] thrice` said "pastebin", not "paste" [14:46] :) [14:46] wow, there is a hell of a lot of text in /var/log/* [14:46] hey guys, how many times did it paste that stuff lol [14:46] well I'll blame him anyway :) [14:46] vahnx: Your tool has given you kdelibs 4.2.2, kdebase-{runtime,workspace}-4.2.2, but you've still got kdebase 3.5.10 [14:46] isn't it always thrice`'s fault? [14:46] that is why konqueror won't start. [14:47] ;) [14:47] so will thrice` get kicked now? [14:47] someone who didn't know what a pastebin is probably should have asked "what is a pastebin? I never heard of that" [14:47] since he's the culprit [14:47] sure, why not [14:47] :p [14:47] thrice`, ahaha :) [14:48] Urchlay it was too late, i thought he meant paste. i now know what pastebin is [14:48] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [14:48] so having kdebase 3.5 is causing konqueror to fail? fix would be remove kdebase 3.5? [14:48] vahnx: how much would you lose if you just wiped that and reinstalled it? [14:48] no, upgrade it to 4.2.2 [14:48] nothing really [14:48] i can't believe konq. is the only thing broken :( [14:48] k i think i have the 4.2.2 source anyways [14:49] didnt know that upgrade manager i left running would do my kde [14:49] in that case a clean reinstall is the best solution (followed by a *proper* upgrade to -current if that's what you really want) [14:49] I'm guessing here, but there's probably more thing he needs added/removed to the system, that tool he used seems very old, I doubt it added/removed accordingly to achieve a proper --current. [14:49] vahnx: slackpkg clean-system first [14:50] i dont have slackpkg installed [14:50] couldn't this be easily fixed with slackpkg? do a slackpkg update, slackpkg upgrade-all; slackpkg install-all; slackpkg clean-system [14:50] =/ [14:50] ? [14:50] wait im not # [14:51] ...or you could use somebody's (alienbob's? rworkman's?) script that creates DVD isos from -current, and install that in the first place [14:51] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:52] alien's script is great [14:52] up slackpkg clean-system, everything is checked by default, must i manually uncheck it all but kde [14:52] or is there a switch to uncheck when i run it [14:52] those are unofficial packages [14:53] which are not part of the official tree [14:53] vahnx: that's a suggestion that I wanted to submit too. A selection box for all/none [14:53] oh the checked ones i have installed and i uncheck them right [14:53] well better not uncheck kde while im in kde [14:53] possibly those are all the -current packages, and slackpkg is configured for the stable tree, so it thinks all the -current stuff is unofficial? [14:54] i may be back O.O goodbye friends [14:54] vahnx (n=vahnx3@NTL208H90-243-136.nt.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:54] depends what he's set as a mirror (eg, which manifest it's using) [14:54] he may be better off staying at 12.2 :/ [14:55] I like the speed of fx3.5 but my addons don't isntall :( [14:55] install* [14:55] yeah... but correct me if I'm wrong: a clean-system will completely hose him, if he's got -current for all his core packages, but slackpkg is looking at the 12.2 repo... [14:55] ttyX, you know, I unticked ipv6 stuff in about:config..the web pages are much faster now (as I dont use ipv6) but it turned it on by default I guess. [14:56] Urchlay: correct [14:56] ttyX, I was getting long pauses, almost like dns time outs before hand [14:56] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-67-127-56-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] thanks for the tip Old_Fogie [14:56] Old_Fogie: turning ipv6 off makes a huge difference. [14:56] Ricky| (n=fl0w@190.166.159.102) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Old_Fogie: hmmm, wonder if that will speed up firefox 2 as well (it's got a "disable ipv6" that defaults to "false") [14:57] ttyX, the only thing I'd hope for is that they fix the memory leak feel to the bookmarks pane on the left (ctrl+b) and some of the memory leak feel to editing bookmarks. tho..both of those items are *much* better now [14:57] Nick change: jeev -> root [14:57] Urchlay: It probably will. [14:57] I really hate negative booleans (disableIpv6=false, it should be called enableIpv6 and default to true) [14:57] Urchlay, dunno, I gave up on ff2. but I build nightlies of ff3 beta, and I have to untick ipv6 or even just google.com in address bar, takes 12 seconds or so. [14:58] monstro (i=1000@201-43-250-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:58] Old_Fogie if u have a long list of bookmarks its normal on fx [14:58] my acid3 scoe still doesnt go beyond 93 :( [14:58] I have a lot of bookmarks, but they're in folders, dunno [14:58] score* [14:58] that's one heck of a jump [14:59] acid3 score on fx3.0.10 was 73 [14:59] I miss the 'split pane' bookmarks extension for FF, seems' it's unmaintained. that extension works like opera. it's one of the reasons I like opera alot and use it as my browser. [14:59] its 93 now [14:59] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:59] they must have fixed those 'bugs' [14:59] turning off ipv6 in my ff2 doesn't seem to have made a noticeable difference... *shrug* [14:59] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:59] it wasn't really all that slow to start with (no 12-second delays for sure!) [14:59] Urchlay, ah ok. [14:59] ff2 isnt that too old? [15:00] yeah, it's bad for me for sure, if I leave it at default. [15:00] ttyX, it's unmaintened now [15:00] yep I know [15:00] s/unmaintained [15:00] ttyX: too old for what? It works and I'm reasonably happy with it [15:00] they dropped support in december last year i believe [15:00] Urchlay: why not 1.5 then? [15:00] it wroks too [15:00] :p [15:00] works* [15:01] actually I run whatever version comes with my OS, unless I have a powerful reason not to [15:01] used to run slamd64 10.2, so I ran ff 1.5, now I have 12.1 so I run ff 2. Eventually I'll upgrade to 12.2, and get 3 by default [15:01] that means u haven't dist-upgraded [15:01] enable http pipelining and at the max to ~6-10 depending on your connection. that can make noticeable increases in speed [15:01] at/set [15:02] Nick change: root -> Guest36127 [15:02] Nick change: Guest36127 -> jeev [15:02] yeah, the pages were loading for me, but you could see in the address bar..it had no conn. I even had 'iftop -i eth0' going...and I had no ip action for a good 10 sec or so. [15:02] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] well no, I haven't. Slamd64 12.2 came out like a week after I upgraded to 12.1 and got everything set up the way I like :) [15:02] 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 078 078 036 Pre-fail Always - 936 [15:02] hey sexy hard drive [15:03] it was nice to you know you [15:03] lol [15:03] Nick change: pragma_ -> snhmib [15:03] Nick change: snhmib -> pragma_ [15:04] haha, fortune: Question: Man Invented Alcohol, God Invented Grass. Who do you trust? [15:04] obama? [15:04] lol [15:04] grass 4 sure [15:04] :p [15:05] too bad ms killed autorun [15:05] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: "work it harder make it better do it faster makes us stronger more than ever hour after our work is never over" [15:05] now malware writers will have to find a new way [15:06] ms killed autorun? [15:06] yep [15:06] for usb devices, not cd [15:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-247-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] ya i was gonna say [15:06] eah [15:06] don't worry, the lusers are the best autorunners [15:07] MS killed the autorun star, Whoaaa. MS killed the autorun star... [15:07] :P [15:07] now they'll get nicely packed malwares on cds & dvds [15:07] boxed and ready to install [15:07] :D [15:07] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host49-78-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: ""Muovendosi cambia" - Sbancor" [15:08] I wouldn't mind MS giving a free copy of the "secure win xp for the Air Force" to all people who bought they're crap over and over thruought the years and got pwned. The way I see it, they owe me. [15:08] heh, I remember buying one of those "2000 shareware utilities for DOS" CDs back in 1995 or so, and got a boot sector virus from it [15:08] but I won't hold my breathe :) [15:08] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: "leaving" [15:08] you sure got a good point Old_Fogie [15:09] it will be on some torrent site before too long [15:09] Yeah, so much security fixes...hmmm what about me I paid too ya know ... [15:09] how about virus bundled with bios :P [15:09] ttyX, has that ever happend? [15:09] yeah, now that all bioses are flashable I suppose that's something that really happens [15:09] Old_Fogie its a concept waiting to happen [15:09] i hear there is a bios virus that is impossible to clean, you have to replace the chip [15:10] I remember McDonalds had bad picture gadgets or something iirc ( I may be wrong..forget what it was McDonalds gave out ..hmmm) [15:10] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Connection timed out [15:10] Zozma (n=Winter@d6-139.rb2.gh.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] didn't apple have some iphones with a virus too? [15:10] Apple is itself a virus :p [15:10] or ipods? [15:10] of course there's a very low probability of that happening to me: I only flash the bios if I actually have a problem, and I doubt anyone wrote an automatic bios-flasher that runs under a user account in Linux [15:10] how long before some simple ActiveX embedded in a website just reenabled autorun for USB devices? [15:11] Steve jobs is ill I mean isnt he? [15:11] Urchlay: They did, it was a slashdot article. let me find it. [15:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:11] linuxbios to the rescue? [15:11] agentc0re: it infects a linux machine and flashes the bios without root privileges? [15:12] Urchlay: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/23/1248214&from=rss [15:13] openbsd holy shite w're doomed [15:13] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [15:13] hm, the first link is short on detail [15:14] if that happens [15:14] coreboot will get a sure boost [15:14] http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/23/1248214&from=rss = a very intersting slashdot post about that bios issue (virus) [15:14] it makes you think about how it could be prevented [15:14] tecky: Same link i just posted. [15:14] lol [15:15] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.10.148) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:15] whatever happened to motherboards with a jumper to disable bios flashing? that still common? [15:15] /sigh... [15:15] you will note that 'thinkpad buttons' uses that nvram [15:15] thats the one! [15:15] Urchlay: you can disabled bios overwrites in the bios now through a software switch. [15:15] ? [15:15] eeprom would be the issue i would think [15:15] I don't think they have jumpers to control that anymore. [15:15] the PDF is also short on detail [15:16] Urchlay: they dont want to make it public of how to do it .... as then virii writers would go hog wild [15:16] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-181-176.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] i'm sure they will go for full disclosure with mb makers + antivirus corp's [15:16] well what I want to know is... is it possible from a non-root account? [15:16] If this becomes a huge deal, we might see a change in how bios works or we'll see boards made to remove bioschips so that new ones can be bought. [15:17] Urchlay: like the /. article says you could use a mailware to get a account on the box and go from there [15:17] agentc0re, great, so now every year you buy new a/v,a/s, now you gotta buy a new bios :) [15:17] (in other words if I plug all the remote + local root exploits, do I have to worry about this?) [15:17] Urchlay: It might be. who knows. I'd rather the details be left out so that hopefully the information can be given to the correct set of people to fix it before the jerkoffs find about how to do it. [15:17] Urchlay: the way i look at it, as soon as they get on your machine, its quite the playground from then on [15:17] Old_Fogie: wouldn't that just suck? man. [15:17] haha yea [15:18] something like that you would have to physically replate the chip [15:18] replace* [15:18] you know with dell pc's, i am pretty sure a user can run their flash bios programs to update the bios. [15:18] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:18] what about the dual bios motherboards? thought those had a backup ROM-based BIOS that physically can't be overwritten (like, an actual masked ROM) [15:18] on many asus boards, a win admin can I know that [15:18] Urchlay: not sure. [15:19] Urchlay: it says that ones it's writen, the bios can even be flashed to remove it. [15:19] s/ones/once [15:19] I'm gonna flash a chip with the code of /bin/true and yank my bios, so when my pc boots, it recieves true then boots up :) [15:19] hm, if the flash chip is socketed, it would be easy enough to find out which pin is the write enable, and lift it out of the socket [15:19] I'll foil them hackers [15:21] (of course it's probably got microscopic pins on modern boards, and is machine-soldered in a way that my shaky old hands can't desolder just one pin) [15:21] anyone know why slackpkg wants to upgrade-all my packages to stuff in -current, when the mirror I uncommented is 12.2? [15:21] RJz0r: recheck [15:22] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:22] the x86 does have some flaws, its not bad but there needs to be a better arch for consumer desktops & servers [15:22] actually, can you just pastebin your mirrors file so we can all gawk, point and laugh? [15:23] bbq time, cu all [15:23] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:23] acidchild: hey [15:23] ttyX: recheck what? [15:24] RJz0r: recheck that you uncommented a 12.2 mirror. [15:24] /etc/slackpkg/mirrors? [15:24] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:24] firebird619: I did... the URL says "slackware-12.2" in it [15:24] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] and when I visit it in firefox, it has the version of a package I currently have installed (as opposed to what slackpkg wants to upgrade to) [15:24] RJz0r: which repo? [15:25] go up a level and look in patches [15:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:25] if its belnet or gwdg its crapido [15:25] ttyX: ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/os/slackware/slackware-12.2/ [15:26] can you post your mirrors file? [15:26] yes u should pastebin mirrors file [15:26] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:26] ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/os/slackware/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/ it is in there? [15:27] rhleis (n=rhleiss@94.187.91.26) joined ##slackware. [15:27] can somebody tell me how to kill the process from tty? [15:27] or a user? [15:27] rhleis: kill(1) [15:27] `grep -v ^# /etc/slackpkg/mirrors` returns only that mirror, so there aren't any others being used [15:27] Hey BP{k}. How's it going? [15:27] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [15:28] firebird619: waiting for food! [15:28] RJz0r: ok...so then try a different mirror? [15:28] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:28] antiwire: it's the patches directory... I didn't know about that [15:28] everything it's trying to upgrade corresponds to what's in there [15:29] the patches dir isn't -current, it should be safe to upgrade to that stuff [15:29] RJz0r: chnage mirror then slackpkg update [15:29] change* [15:30] wow fudz really got some title there [15:30] yeah, I get how it works now... thanks [15:30] I mean it's not trying to install a new kernel, new glibc, kde4, all that, is it? [15:30] anyone got a good idea on how i could change this script so that it could utilize both tape drives at once instead of doing one first and then the other? how could i combine the for loops to do it? http://pastebin.com/d6e512f08 [15:30] twitter is for quitters lol [15:30] nah [15:30] I just wanted to know why it was choosing specific packages to upgrade... many of which are the same versions of packages found in -current [15:31] hence, I thought it was using a -current mirror [15:31] I don't know why it threw in the extra spaces either, it didn't paste that way. [15:31] RJz0r: its build number to look for [15:31] not version [15:31] but the package names in patches, don't they have -12.2 in the name? [15:31] agentc0re: the easy way is to break the script into 2 separate scripts, and run them at the same time [15:32] like this slackware-12.2/patches/packages/bind-9.4.3_P1-i486-1_slack12.2.tgz [15:32] antiwire: yeah, they do... I just didn't notice :) [15:32] hehe [15:32] (possibly with a controlling script that runs them for you and monitors their status or whatever) [15:32] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:34] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [15:35] except, wait... you only have one changer device. If the two scripts each tell it to do something, is it smart enough to finish the first request, then do the 2nd one, or will it return an error because it's busy? [15:35] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] cod [15:35] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [15:35] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: "Leaving." [15:37] Urchlay: No, it shouldn't. I have two drives in my one changer. I am just wanting to speed up the erase process by utilizing both of them and not wearing out one drive by doing it all on one. [15:38] Hi, i have a udev rule: KERNEL=="sd?1", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{model}=="Transcend 2GB ", SYMLINK+="JetFlash", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/jetflash" [15:38] and i'm wondering why the script doesn't get called when the flash drive is removed... [15:39] there's probably a better way to do what i'm wanting to do, i just don't know how to write it. [15:39] the script contains the shebang and echo $ACTION >> /tmp/JetFlash [15:39] /tmp/JetFlash only contains "add" ... [15:40] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Urchlay: Well it's working as two different scripts. no loading collisions. I am still going to see if i can figure out how to do it in one script though. [15:41] agentc0re: bash isn't really the best language to use for threading :) [15:42] what would be? [15:42] that'd be a matter for debate... probably you could use C++ or Java and be OK, assuming you know how [15:43] i don't know how. [15:43] kama (n=kama@host79-119-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:43] perl's a bad choice (have to rebuild the perl interpreter to include threading support and AFAIK it's still considered experimental) [15:43] really you don't *have* to use threads, multiple processes would work fine too [15:44] say, a single bash script. You call it with no arguments, and it calls itself repeatedly with arguments telling the new instance "operate on tape #whatever this time", something like that [15:45] i could add the & at the end of each for loop. [15:45] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] kama (n=kama@host79-119-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[15:54] viagra spam is one of those things that can only ever work over the internet, not in real life [15:54] hahaha [15:54] :D [15:54] can you imagine the reaction you'd get if you went up to some guy in a bar and basically told him "Hey, you look like you have a small penis..." [15:55] hahahahahahaha [15:55] omfg [15:56] er, wait, viagra's the stiffener, not the enlarger. So you'd be saying "You look impotent to me...." [15:57] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [15:57] ah that pleasure magic :D [15:57] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:58] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.116) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:58] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:58] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.19.116) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Hey guys, I'm installing conky via the slackbuild and for some reason it wants audacious to be installed, why is that? [15:58] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.19.116) left irc: Client Quit [15:59] cylux: I have conky installed, I never had that issue. What exactly does it say? Is this during building/installing that it mentions audacious? [16:00] Anyone use qbittorrent or have a better recommendation for a torrent client? [16:00] During the package creation it says http://pastebin.ca/1411479 [16:00] firebird619: ^^ [16:00] Hey lf4, how's it going? [16:01] cylux: hmmm. See if there's a --disable-audacious or --without-audacious option to the configure script? [16:01] Doing well firebird619 just got home from a 5hr drive. :) how are things with you? [16:01] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:01] lf4: doing great, thanks. [16:01] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.251) joined ##slackware. [16:01] lf4: why would you want to use a qt bittorrent client instead of the official ktorrent? [16:01] Urchlay: Hm.. k [16:01] <_RadioHead> evening [16:01] _RadioHead: Hello, how are you? [16:02] cylux: are you using the source and slackbuild from slackbuilds.org? [16:02] rg3: I just did a simple search in SBo for torrent because I did not see any torrent apps from my 12.2 install. [16:02] $ ./configure --help|grep -i aud [16:02] --enable-audacious=yes|no|legacy [16:02] enable audacious player support [default=no] [16:02] firebird619: Yes [16:02] maybe the --help output is lying, and the default is really "yes" [16:02] Urchlay: I installed it from conky and didn't have any issues like that, I didn't have to modify anything. [16:02] Urchlay: Yeah I see that [16:02] Urchlay: So how do I make it "no" [16:02] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) joined ##slackware. [16:02] lf4: afaik, ktorrent is in extra, and there are a few other command line bittorrent clients with official packages [16:03] add --enable-audacious=no to the ./configure command in the Slackbuild [16:03] thanks rg3 I'll check it out now. [16:03] Urchlay: Cool. Okay [16:03] Urchlay: Never knew how to do that before 8) [16:03] lf4: well, in -current it's in /slackware/kde, but I don't know about 12.2 [16:04] Whoa, I just re-read what I typed. :P I installed conky from SBo and didn't have to edit anything and didn't get that message about audacious. [16:04] <_RadioHead> hey firebird619 :) dude sorry did not reply i was playing supertux lol. i am ok, how there? [16:04] <_RadioHead> hi Urchlay :) [16:05] but... wait a sec. I just ran configure with the options from the slackbuild, and I have audacious installed, and it's saying "Audacious: yes" at the end. [16:05] hey _RadioHead [16:05] lf4: ktorrent works really nice. I use it, I prefer qbittorrent, but don't have it on my 12.2 install. [16:05] _RadioHead: I'm doing great, thanks. [16:05] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-71-090.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] cylux: so I conclude that the configure --help output lies: the default isn't "no" even though it says it is [16:06] check the Makefile [16:06] <_RadioHead> Urchlay, hx for the help again , just for information i`ll tell you that i have one more time that read-only problem and after that i remount raid1 again delete k/ folder complete and all was ok yesterday... [16:06] he doesn't have a Makefile until after he runs ./configure [16:06] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-175-230.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:07] cylux: /join #slackbuilds and report your issue there, hopefully the maintainers will fix it so others don't have the same problem [16:07] --enable-audacious=yes|no|legacy [16:08] www.jeev.net/seagate.jpg [16:08] tehee [16:08] anyone took a look at my question i asked about 30 minutes ago ? [16:08] Herman (n=Hermann@h10n3c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:10] post it again pireau [16:11] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Hi, i have a udev rule: KERNEL=="sd?1", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{model}=="Transcend 2GB ", SYMLINK+="JetFlash", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/jetflash" [16:11] and i'm wondering why the script doesn't get called when the flash drive is removed... [16:11] the script contains the shebang and echo $ACTION >> /tmp/JetFlash [16:11] and only contains "add" [16:11] i think i found out why. [16:11] the remvoe event isn't generaed for the scsi subsystem [16:11] ohhh. The SlackBuild actually has "--enable-audacious=yes", I missed that. All you had to do was remove that line... [16:11] but for the usb subsystem [16:11] change yes to no [16:12] hrm. I do not have . in my PATH. bash will not run a.out but it will run bin/a.out [16:12] why don't I have to type ./bin/a.out? (by the way, the bin/ is not in my PATH either) [16:14] Floops (n=baihu@shellium/member/floops) left irc: "changing servers" [16:16] Floops (n=baihu@gw.tb.bb.floops.info) joined ##slackware. [16:16] gar0t0 (n=Aimee@187.10.168.218) joined ##slackware. [16:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:17] cylux: hey, wait a sec. audacious is actually part of Slackware (I had it confused with "audacity", which isn't). [16:17] lfamorim (n=fernando@189-29-201-205-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:18] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [16:18] hi all [16:18] gar0t0, =D [16:18] Hi [16:18] not everybody installs audacious, i dont and prefer xmms [16:18] Pig_Pen: any ideas ? [16:18] nope, i am no udev guru [16:18] isn't xmms like..dead? [16:19] xmms lives! [16:19] i just added a rule SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ACTION=="remove", ATTRS{serial}=="M1S2M994", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/jetflash" [16:19] doesn't get called. [16:19] Pig_Pen: yeah... but it means there's nothing wrong with the conky slackbuild... SBo scripts are allowed to assume they're being used on a system with a full install of Slack [16:19] i'd like to see what events are generated upon removing my usb drive. [16:20] pireau: after adding the rule, did you run "/etc/rc.d/rc.udev reload" to reload the rules database? [16:20] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:21] its no big real really, he must be relatively new to building source or the audacious issue would be a non-issue [16:21] yeah [16:21] I was all confused, thought it was requiring audacity (not part of slackware) [16:21] Urchlay: yes, doesn't change anything... [16:22] is /usr/local/bin/jetflash executable? [16:22] i seen audacious run good other times i seen it be the buggest piece of crap so i dont install it [16:22] I still like the old "mpg123 *.mp3" in a terminal :) [16:24] paissad (n=paissad@106.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:26] gauteh (n=gaute@49.84-48-163.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [16:26] mp3blaster is nice, run in either any x-terminal or the console cli [16:27] curses UI? [16:27] yeah, nice [16:28] http://mp3blaster.sourceforge.net/ http://mp3blaster.sourceforge.net/#screenshots [16:28] personnaly i use moc. [16:28] after i get my USB flash drive thingy to work, i'll be patching it to scrobble the songs played. [16:29] wtf does "scrobble" mean? [16:29] what language is that? [16:29] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.239) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:29] Urchlay: last.fm [16:29] floyy_ (n=floyy@unaffiliated/floyy) left irc: [16:30] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:30] heh. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Scrobble [16:30] see definition #7... [16:31] ahah [16:31] #6 is funny too. [16:32] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F05.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [16:33] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:33] urk colon stopped working, and im a vim [16:33] -fail- [16:33] like your keyboard is broken? [16:34] yeah [16:34] ouch [16:34] apparantly [16:34] shift works on all other keys than dot.. <- dot works [16:34] hey.. it just worked one time! something somewhere is dirty [16:35] spilled coffee/cola/beer/whisky in keyboard? [16:36] had one I found dried-up mustard and bits of hotdog and bun... ughh [16:36] hehe [16:37] I never loaned that guy anything I wanted back, after I saw that... [16:37] http://imagebin.org/47719 [16:37] Pig_Pen: nice playlist! [16:37] :) i like the blues, jazz, stuff like that [16:38] don't know exactly.. its an age old thinkpad [16:38] who know what lives inside it [16:38] *s [16:38] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [16:38] I have this "best of the blues" CD someone gave me that's apparently impossible to play or rip on my drive [16:39] gauteh (n=gaute@49.84-48-163.nextgentel.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:39] DRM? [16:41] DMCA DRM thing, i read once you can defeat that with a sharpie and putting a black ring around the outside edge of the cdrom, not sure if it works [16:42] http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/22/1439253&mode=thread&tid=99 heres where it is [16:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-247-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:43] gauteh (n=gaute@49.84-48-163.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] doubt it's that. My drive is getting old, it worked fine on somebody else's [16:44] been holding off getting a replacement until blu-ray burners get cheap (if they ever do) [16:44] rhleis (n=rhleiss@94.187.91.26) left ##slackware. [16:44] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-175-230.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:44] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-148-026.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:45] one question about mp3blaster: the pause/rewind/etc. key are 1 through 6... do those have to be the numeric keypad, or do the regular 1-6 keys work? (cause my preferred keyboard has no num pad...) [16:45] i keep two, one plain jane cdrom (read only) and a DVD burner [16:45] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:45] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Urchlay: I don't think it matters whether it's the keypad or the regular numbers. [16:46] Urchlay: if you are testing out new console music players have a look at cmus [16:46] at least one curses audio app (workbone, the CD player) doesn't work on this keyboard (well, I can press numlock and turn some of the alphabet into a fake numpad, but it sucks) [16:49] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:49] Pig_Pen: hey, do you like Weather Report? [16:50] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Weather Report? not sure i heard them [16:52] mostly-instrumental jazz from the 70s. Bass player famous for inventing the fretless electric bass (Jaco Pastorius, amazing player) [16:52] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Chymera (n=chymera@g228071160.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:52] hey, could anybody give me a hand with the following vpnc error http://rafb.net/p/rloHAY42.html ? [16:54] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090401/GoogleServerLarge.jpg?tag=mncol;txt [16:55] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [16:55] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:56] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "Error:04" [16:56] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [16:56] hey [16:56] hey [16:57] maan mouse batteries dying :/ [16:57] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) left irc: [16:57] I've had the same batteries in my mouse for a little over a year now. :) [16:57] haha lucky - girlfriend stole my good batteries for guitar hero :/ [16:57] haha [16:58] compl3x: Or at least thats what she told you. [16:58] haha [16:58] Bzzzzzzzzzz Bzzzzzzz [16:58] :D [16:58] that's her story and she's stickin to it. :P [16:59] How's it going agentc0re? [16:59] hahaha!!! [16:59] Yeah funny :/ [16:59] :p [16:59] whats everyone up to? [16:59] Floops (n=baihu@shellium/member/floops) left irc: "changing servers" [17:00] Floops (n=baihu@irus.balgus.info) joined ##slackware. [17:00] nothin much, how about you compl3x? [17:01] aside from having a dying mouse and gf stealin the batteries. [17:01] firebird619: Umm not much - spent most of the day trying to get my blooody wireless to reach out into the garden [17:01] down to the shed.. [17:01] look at all those sticks or ram! with all that ram i would not bother to make a swap partition [17:01] even made a cantenna haha [17:02] compl3x: have any luck with the wireless? [17:02] gauteh_ (n=gaute@49.84-48-163.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [17:02] firebird619: Nope- my laptop chipset picks up the wireless, but my cheapy edimax pci card won't even pick up my neighbours wireless :/ [17:02] Pig_Pen: heh, me either, there's more than plenty there. [17:02] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] compl3x: what laptop? I'm curious. :D [17:03] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:03] Acer aspire 5100 [17:03] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:03] pretty old - but does the job [17:03] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:04] an oldie but a goodie. :D [17:04] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) joined ##slackware. [17:04] yeah pretty compatible - although when I was burning a slackware cd, k3b decided to hang on 99% [17:05] firebird619: Alright. Saw you got it fixed by removing it and readding it. [17:05] hey, could anybody give me a hand with the following vpnc error http://rafb.net/p/rloHAY42.html ? [17:06] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [17:06] agentc0re: yeah that fixed it right up. That ownership issue is still a mystery, everything in home showed firebird:users last night now, real weird. [17:06] Chymera: try "modprobe tun", then run vpnc again [17:07] Chymera: if that fixes it, add the "modprobe tun" command to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [17:07] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [17:07] k, I probably forgot to put that in the kernel :P [17:11] hmm tiredness [17:11] Braunne (n=Pete@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] gauteh_: hey, are you the maintainer of the SBo cmus slackbuild, by any chance? [17:13] gar0t0 (n=Aimee@187.10.168.218) left irc: "leaving" [17:13] Urchlay: did you try building cmus? Did it build successfully for you? [17:13] word [17:13] I had to patch it, it was looking for ffmpeg includes in the wrong place (could also have configured it with --disable-ffmpeg) [17:14] Urchlay: no - not maintaining it on slack :) [17:14] Urchlay: yeah, I had the same thing. I didn't do anything with it yet though. [17:14] Urchlay: yeah ffmpeg does mess it up occasinally [17:14] have to use an older version [17:14] old ffmpeg, everything's in /usr/include/ffmpeg, newer snapshots the different bits are in different /usr/include subdirs. Easy fix. Need to send patch to maintainer [17:14] are there any dependencie scripts for cmus? [17:15] gauteh_: well you could try my patch: http://pastie.org/467032 [17:15] Urchlay: great, ill probably include it in my exherbo port [17:16] gauteh (n=gaute@49.84-48-163.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:17] it's not clear to me what cmus uses ffmpeg for... does it use it for mp3 decoding, and fall back on libmad otherwise? [17:17] unsure, but its optional, i guess it chooses one at buildtime [17:17] haven't delved too deep in their config scripts [17:18] http://cmus.sourceforge.net/ [17:18] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-247-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] .wma [17:19] I have slackware 10 running on very old hardware (no X), and I was wondering what app I could use to get memory information (amount, speed, etc.) [17:20] cmair (n=cmair@host150-110-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:20] top ? [17:20] gauteh_: sth else? [17:20] htop :) [17:21] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Braunne: otherwise cat /proc/meminfo [17:21] gauteh_: aha, can u think of anything else? [17:22] no sorry.. [17:23] thanks [17:23] Is there a script for cmus dependencies? [17:23] or am I going to have to go through and find all the packages? :p [17:24] it seems pretty good about auto-detecting when something's missing [17:24] do you really have a burning need to play e.g. .mod music files? :) [17:25] haha [17:25] :p [17:25] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] compl3x: check out http://github.com/alip/media-unofficial -> packages/mediasound/cmus/cmus.exlib for an exherbo port [17:26] compl3x: gives you a list of packages [17:26] emailed patch to SBo cmus maintainer, hopefully it makes life easier for someone [17:26] cheers gauteh [17:26] I wonder is there is a way to benchmark a Linux installation performance [17:26] if there is* [17:26] Braunne: well, you can do a rough benchmark by timing how long it takes to compile the kernel [17:27] VM the installation? [17:27] Urchlay: thats an idea [17:27] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.10.87) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:27] (that involves lots of CPU, I/O, and uses a good chunk of memory, so it's a decent "overall performance" indicator) [17:27] and compare with others with the same enviroment [17:28] also, compiling the kernel over & over again in a "while true" loop for 12-24 hours is a pretty good burn-in test [17:28] Urchlay: but would vary heavily with other .config's and other CFLAGS [17:28] Somewhere in between upgrading from 12.0 to 12.1 to 12.2, and then reinstalling 12.2, my trackpad settings (having tap to click disabled, having vertical scroll enabled.) have been lost. I'm still using the same xorg.conf, which is weird. How can I get my trackpad to behave again? http://pastebin.ca/1411555 [17:28] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "reboot" [17:28] gauteh_: well sure. But if you want to compare 2 boxes, you use the same kernel version with the same .config on both [17:29] I said it was a rough benchmark, not really what you'd call scientifically accurate... [17:29] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:29] Urchlay: would only work for different distros on the same box :) [17:29] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:29] acidchild (i=ash@208.92.232.20) joined ##slackware. [17:29] since you'd have a bunch of different cpu settings on a differnt box (probably) [17:30] nathanbw: take a look in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse, see if there's a line [17:30] but yeah, its a rough test, i just like to argue [17:30] options psmouse proto=imps [17:30] nathanbw: if so, comment it out [17:30] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] exit your X session, "rmmod psmouse ; modprobe psmouse", startx [17:30] I have to say i havent compiled a linux kernel before (Ive done that a few times with FreeBSD) [17:31] Urchlay, sweet, thanks [17:31] if "rmmod psmouse" fails, kill gpm if it's running [17:32] Cool, thanks :-D [17:32] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:33] Braunne: I like the simplicity of the *BSD kernel config. Just use a text editor... [17:33] Sorry to get of topic but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8Hml0Jx10 - pfftt ubuntu fanboys [17:34] Linux kernel has a lot fancier config system (curses or X user interface), which does a good job of keeping you from generating an unbuildable config, but sometimes it'll get on your nerves [17:34] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.116) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:34] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] nathanbw: better? [17:34] "Slackware users destoryed the linux community" - heh [17:34] Urchlay, worked like a charm! Thanks [17:34] groovy [17:35] oddly, I had to do the same thing to *get rid* of the tap-to-click on mine [17:35] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:35] I can never use the computer for long with tap to click on. I never master the art of moving the mouse without clicking everywhere, which can be dangerous [17:35] (oh, wait, that's exactly what you were trying to do, I mis-read) [17:35] yeah, me either [17:35] It's honestly beyond me that some people have the skill to move on the trackpad /without/ clicking... [17:36] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.251) left irc: "Leaving" [17:36] it might be I could find a sensitivity/delay setting that would let me use it without cursing at it all the time [17:36] erm...it's not *that* hard [17:36] but honestly, the regular buttons are *right there* [17:36] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-148-026.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [17:36] Braunne (n=Pete@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [17:37] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] pprkut, I know it shouldn't be (and maybe it is just the sensitivity is too high,) but I've /always/ inadvertently clicked on something while just trying to move the mouse if tap to click is on. It's comical, if a little annoying [17:38] Anyway, the severe weather passed, I'm off to "outside" [17:38] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:40] it might also have something to do with the age of the trackpad, mine's 6-7 years old now and I notice it's a lot more annoying to use than when it was new [17:40] (finger grease builds up there, if nothing else) [17:40] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:41] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:44] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) joined ##slackware. [17:44] hm. mp3blaster fails: it doesn't see the function keys in my xterms [17:46] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-144-112-117.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:47] cmus fails cause it doesn't seem to have a very friendly UI (no indication what keys to press, and ? doesn't show me the help... maybe F1 would, in which case it's doing the same thing mp3blaster is doing) [17:47] hmmm, hang on, it's supposed to be vim-like... but ":help" doesn't work [17:47] ":q" does work for quitting though [17:49] here we go... ":a ." to add all files in current directory. [17:51] OK, this might be pretty cool, just need to RTFM :) [17:53] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:56] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:56] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:58] mp3blaster work with TERM=xterm [17:58] very annoying, I have another app I use a lot which only works with TERM=xterm-color [17:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [18:03] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [18:04] got it ! [18:05] instead of adding a rule based on the usb subsystem, i added a rule based on the block subsystem. [18:05] Chymera (n=chymera@g228071160.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: No route to host [18:06] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[18:13] yep, just like unused pages get swapped out. [18:13] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [18:14] sometimes I think that's not really a bad model of how human memory works [18:15] like if I think about it, I can remember the names of the kids next door, where I lived when I was 5 [18:15] mee too... [18:16] but it takes a lot longer than remembering the names of my parents, or friends I see every day or so [18:16] it depends on how many times you read that data. [18:16] yeah uhmm I cant haha [18:16] IntoTheVoid (n=sweetlea@cpe-77-83-218-188-dsl.netone.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [18:16] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:22] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-176-178-179.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:35] how do i find out which tty process is handled by the terminal i am working in ? [18:35] gauteh_ (n=gaute@49.84-48-163.nextgentel.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:36] RJz0r (n=taterz@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:36] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:36] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:37] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [18:41] jdetring (n=jay@76-200-121-139.lightspeed.tulsok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.60.139) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:42] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.10.225) joined ##slackware. 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[19:03] how can i find out whats the PID of my terminal session ? [19:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] Agiofws: you mean, the PID of your shell? that's $$ [19:03] as in, "echo $$" [19:03] ok ok [19:03] thanks [19:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:04] chiders_: you pang? [19:05] heh [19:07] MidasManchu (n=andrew@ip68-100-194-47.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Nick change: UdontKnow -> \0 [19:09] Nick change: \0 -> root [19:11] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: "turd" [19:11] Nick change: root -> KnightWhoSaysNi [19:11] ni! [19:12] lfamorim (n=fernando@189-29-201-205-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] whats with the nick changes? [19:12] dunno. some IRC networks will kick you off the server if you do too many nick changes too fast, wonder if this is one of them? [19:13] i don't think so [19:13] but what will happen if you're a freenode staff member? ;) [19:13] IIRC, freenode won't let you use "Jesus" for a nick :) [19:13] what about heyzeus [19:14] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:14] confrey (n=dario@94.162.160.249) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:15] Hey, Zeus, they're making fun of Norse gods again... [19:15] er, Greek, I mean [19:16] haha [19:16] they're pretty much all the same anyway [19:17] How does bash know which arguments come from the command line and which come from Unix? For example, when a script starts with "#!/bin/bash -x", why doesn't $1 equal "-x"? [19:17] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Urchlay: how ethnocentric. Jesus is a common first name in some countries. [19:18] pi31415: *shrug*, I think it's a silly rule, too [19:19] Jesus (pronounced "haysoos") is starting to be a pretty common first name where I live too (southern USA) [19:19] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:19] though every time I meet someone named that, I get flashbacks of the movie "The Big Lebowski"... [19:21] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:21] nobody fucks with the jesus [19:21] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4db3858c.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:21] "8-year-olds, dude." [19:22] heeeeyyyyy! what's this bullshit!!!!?? [19:23] Ricky| (n=fl0w@190.166.159.102) joined ##slackware. [19:24] lots of mexicans named jesus [19:25] si [19:25] jesus is a common name in many places, just not in the usa [19:25] not once met someone called jesus [19:27] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] i work construction plenty of mexicans in the construction trade, i met a few named jesus, they pronounce the letter "J" like an "H" [19:27] apparently I asked a complicated question. [19:27] http://homepages.cwi.nl/~aeb/std/hashexclam-1.html [19:27] Still work with mexicans - ie: recently [19:28] ?* [19:29] How do I check if a program is running? [19:29] is the common way to ps ax|grep? [19:29] yeah pretty much [19:29] Or shoiuld the program make a *.pid file [19:29] and I check fi ti exists [19:30] I see, okay [19:31] acidchild (i=ash@208.92.232.20) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:31] redtricycle: pgrep or pidof [19:32] fancy! [19:32] yeah, i see them every weekday [19:34] hm. Would be really nice if /var/log/cron actually contained, you know, logs generated by cron... [19:34] -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 2009-05-03 04:40 /var/log/cron [19:36] also would be nice if "crontab -e" would warn you of syntax errors (in fact I thought that's the main reason it exists?) [19:36] cron is ancient, i think it was last worked on in the late 1990s sometime, there has not been a net logging daemon made in over a decade [19:36] s/net/new [19:36] don't think crond even uses syslog [19:36] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:36] Pig_Pen: what about launchd? [19:36] not sure [19:37] initial release 2005 [19:37] and hey, I wrote a couple of daemons that use syslogd in the past 6-7 years at least :) [19:37] still actively developed [19:38] guess I'm confusing crontab with visudo [19:39] dcron was last updated to version 3.2 on 2006-05-16 [19:39] hmm, does Matt Dillon still maintain it these days? [19:39] upstart is going to get scheduling abilities [19:39] Urchlay: "these days" I'm not sure :) [19:40] I still use his old 6502 cross-assembler (dasm) [19:40] ah [19:40] for fun, not profit :( [19:41] doesn't he have DragonFlyBSD to take care of these days? [19:41] yeah [19:41] chiders_ (n=michael@91.84.117.136) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [19:41] but I'm sure dragonfly uses some version of crond, maybe his? [19:41] Hrm, re cron logging, start it with -l8 in rc.M [19:42] danke. Man page is a bit vague on what the logging levels are [19:42] anyway figured out my problem: too many *'s [19:43] even though cron is ancient that is no reason to toss it out, if it works good then i figure why not keep it [19:45] soo... cron has been worked on? i guess i was just looking at an old copy in a mirror that has not been updated [19:46] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-151-255-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:47] it wouldn't feel like Linux without cron [19:47] true that [19:47] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:48] yeah, and if cron was replaced with something else then i would have to relearn how to tweak the log daemon [19:49] and how to actually use whatever it got replaced with [19:49] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:49] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] Hi guys. I am running slackware 12.1, which uses firefox 2. As firefox 2 is no longer supported by mozilla, will firefox 3 eventually comes to slack 12.1? [19:50] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:51] probably not [19:51] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] cmk_zzz: no, but you can use the slackware-12.2 package of firefox on 12.1 [19:51] cmk_zzz: no, but you could probably just install the FF3 package from 12.2 and it'll work [19:52] cmk_zzz: firefox is a binary repackage in Slackware, it's not compiled against any Slackware libs so it can be installed across versions...usually. [19:52] I wish the hell FF3's file upload fields were text fields like they are in FF2 [19:52] http://mozilla.osuosl.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.10/linux-i686/ just get this and unpack [19:52] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.248) joined ##slackware. [19:52] Ah, ok thanks guys, sounds good enough for me. [19:52] (and I wish they had a history like normal text fields do in any FF version) [19:52] or check out linuxpackages.net ? [19:53] no [19:53] haha [19:53] compl3x: definatly not. [19:53] Also don't use Compiz + FF on Slackware 12.0 like I do because it's like 2 times slower than under Windows. [19:53] cmk_zzz: even Patricks states in the update emails that FF3 can be installed on slackware 11.0 and higher. [19:53] Wow- you guys sitting here reading - or got some script setup to notice you when someone says linuxpackages haha [19:54] heh [19:54] compl3x: nah I only have highlights on free beer. [19:54] haha [19:54] free beer? yay! [19:54] BP: thanks, I guess I should have been reading more info before asking. [19:54] whats everyones problem with linuxpackages - not starting anything , just curious.. [19:54] quality control [19:54] fair enough [19:55] compl3x: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1095 [19:56] BP{K} Wasn't aware of that.. [19:57] Is there a way for me to place an icon into the systray while I have a script running? [19:57] on xfce [19:57] ...any easy way to do it? [19:57] so I have a visual tihng to look at to check if ti's running [19:57] alltray [19:57] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [19:57] http://slackadelic.com/2007/04/11/linuxpackagesnet-intentionally-malicious/ [19:57] oh right, that's in the link already [19:58] BP{k} Am I correct in thinking that the primary reason of using buildscripts is to allow a package to be built for your enviroment?.. [19:58] wow [19:58] I'm on that thing [19:58] BP{k}: haha [19:58] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [19:59] compl3x: yes. it's also the way 1) all slackware packages are buidl 2) you can see *how* things are build, 3) if youwant to change something its easier to adapt a slackbuild then a binary package [19:59] BP{k} Ah right, cheers for clearing that up [= [19:59] nod, for example [19:59] compl3x: another reason is to allow you to easily change things about the package (like, program foo can optionally use library libbar, but if you don't want it to, you change the configure line in foo.SlackBuild to --disable-bar) [19:59] I use to always have to recompile amarok b/c I wanted mysql support.. [19:59] though, with slackware-current Amarok-2 has mysql enabled [19:59] yeah, that's a real-world example [20:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:00] Zozma (n=Winter@d6-139.rb2.gh.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:00] but...i hated compiling qt [20:00] urchlay: Cheers also [= [20:00] b/c it's so large [20:00] o_o [20:00] BP{k} said it more concisely than I did... [20:01] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-151-229.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl24-239.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:01] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] gabriel_: I can use alltray for shell scripts? [20:02] alltray $yourterm command [20:02] :P [20:04] gabriel_: sweet, thanks! [20:04] ;) [20:06] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] vcj656 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:06] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [20:07] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[20:20] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [20:21] excuse me what does someone mean by "execute the command top in a terminal while you are working in another one " [20:21] gabriel_: alltray only works if it makes a window [20:21] gabriel_: if it's a shell command, it won't put an icon [20:21] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-221-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:21] for example alltray -i shellscript.sh [20:21] Agiofws, open another terminal and run "top"? [20:22] with alltray open your terminal [20:22] gabriel_: hmm [20:22] morning all [20:22] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "bbl" [20:22] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-221-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] for example: [20:22] aterm -trsb -cr red +sb -fg white -fn fixed -fb fixed -borderLess -e calcurse [20:22] alltray before [20:23] alltray aterm -e command [20:23] Hi frullet_. How are you? [20:25] gabriel_: ah...let me try with terminal [20:25] firebird619: good mate yourself [20:25] gm152_ (n=quassel@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:25] frullet_: Doing great. Thanks. [20:26] gabriel_: I get The program 'alltray' received an X Window System error. [20:26] thats it! i am no longer going to use kde or xfce, i am just going to use twm, a desktop is supposed to be cold, hard and ugly like a Russian turnip [20:26] hba (n=hba@189.188.200.135) joined ##slackware. [20:26] lol, seriously Pig_Pen? [20:26] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] yeah [20:26] DareDevil0 (n=linux@190.10.79.146) joined ##slackware. [20:26] no more wasted cpu cycles on eye candy [20:27] good point, why not fluxbox then? [20:27] run alltray with root? [20:27] nyet [20:27] maybe [20:27] Hello everybody I need to know how the deamons work in slackware, I can't find inittab, is there enay link in where it comes described [20:28] daemons: /etc/rc.d ; inittab: /etc/inittab [20:28] /etc/inittab [20:29] im getting http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13258 when i try to execute gv, any idea? [20:29] there isn't /etc/inittab [20:29] DareDevil0 (n=linux@190.10.79.146) left irc: Client Quit [20:29] there should be. [20:29] michiel@hades:~$ ls -la /etc/inittab [20:29] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2467 2008-12-01 20:01 /etc/inittab [20:29] try running gv without the *.pdf [20:30] then open your pdf file afterwards [20:30] Pig_Pen: it does not matter, it prints the same.. [20:31] which version of slackware? [20:31] did you modify or tweak it? [20:31] hba: WFM, does ldd show anything? [20:32] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:32] and is this on 12.2/current? [20:33] its on -current [20:34] ionux (n=root@75.32.52.192) joined ##slackware. [20:34] btw, it seems a "old-know" bug, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=206554 [20:34] gm152 (n=quassel@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] ionux (n=root@75.32.52.192) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] gm152 (n=quassel@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:36] Jean (n=jean@93-36-227-214.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:37] A_666_A (n=sidmario@201-92-114-206.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:37] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] BP{k}: sry, ldd output http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13259 [20:39] did you try rebuilding it ? 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[20:44] thrice`: eip... damn, i cant find my script wich download an SlackBuild subdir from -current to build it from sources :P [20:45] BP{k}: ahah, nah... im a real slacker ;) [20:45] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/source/xap/gv/ [20:45] go go [20:47] run, run as fast as you can [20:47] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-43-54-214.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:48] hba: yeah I thought that was somethin you would have checked :) (BTW: nice job on the Eclipse build) [20:49] Jeeez how long does wine take to build :| [20:50] a while [20:50] not as bad as QT4 ;) [20:50] haha [20:50] qt4 takes forever. [20:58] fireking (n=STRESSAD@200.175.150.142.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:00] acidchil1 (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-143-164.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] much longer than qt3.1 for workgroups ;-p [21:00] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-221-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:01] haha [21:01] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-151-229.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:02] hrm, anyone know why the slackware dvd keeps throwing 'could not find kernel image: linux' at me? [21:04] MidasManchu: did you check the md5 before you burned the dvd? [21:04] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:04] yep, it's clean [21:04] does the DVD actually have an image called linux? [21:05] nope, and thus I'm confused why it might be asking for it [21:05] a tiny tool to get the subdir 'gv' from a mirror ;) http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13260 [21:05] acidchil1 (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:05] MidasManchu: where did you get this DVD image? [21:06] off the torrent listed on slackware's main page [21:06] hmm [21:07] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "laters" [21:07] I do have a boot prompt however [21:07] MidasManchu: so tell us, if you press enter ast the "boot" screen it says .. "could not find kernel image: linux"? [21:07] correct [21:07] That is very strange [21:07] ubuntu vs slackware. LOL. what a tard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8Hml0Jx10 Who posted this earlier? [21:07] MidasManchu: uhm .. wow, that is weird. [21:08] compl3x posted that [21:08] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [21:09] MidasManchu, Is there any way to test the disc on another machine? Not that I can think of any logical reason it would change anything... [21:10] that guy needs a gf, if he will *ever* aquire one.. [21:10] ok, gv new version builded and works without any problem :) [21:10] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [21:10] I tested it on an old(er) machine and it seemed fine [21:11] hmm [21:12] hah, robby commented on his video. [21:12] Samueltehg33k [21:13] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [21:13] interesting, I can still launch the kernels from the boot prompt. any idea of what arguments I might need? [21:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4fzInlyYQo [21:15] before you burnt the dvd did you md5sum check it MidasManchu ? [21:16] MidasManchu (n=andrew@ip68-100-194-47.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:18] MidasManchu (n=andrew@ip68-100-194-47.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] Does anyone know of a Freeradius Slackbuild from a reputable source? [21:19] i don't see one up at SBo [21:19] hba: HAHAH, that's my brother in-law. [21:19] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:24] he did that rm -rf / from what looked like ubuntu in VBox [21:24] you see that vbox bottom panel at the very end of the vid [21:25] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-107.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] Zozma (n=Winter@98-125-72-61.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzyfRlP7h0U [21:29] god damn motherfucking opera [21:29] done nothing but freeze on me for the past few days [21:29] i done that before but i always umount /home and umount any other disk partition i want to save [21:31] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:31] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [21:32] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:32] evening ladies and gentlemen :-) [21:32] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [21:32] hi macavity [21:32] so, KDE4 is weird.. but it think that i will eventually like it [21:33] once i figure out how to get a non-1337 and non-plasma desktop out of it :P [21:33] nullboy: ping? [21:35] -current is all in all nice.. short for the fact that Pat has blown the fact that the .29 series of kernels *requires* a newer xorg [21:35] my dmesg gets spewed with all sorts of vblank errors [21:35] but allas... -current is a VIP :P [21:35] and i will build my own xorg/mesa/gallium stack tommorow anyhow [21:36] wow.. now i made konsole4 pissed... [21:37] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-143-164.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmhZVjaqQo [21:37] whats that? [21:37] Action: macavity just landed in -current 10 minutes ago.. so nothing is working yet [21:38] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:40] macavity: its a video about what kind of music should be played in churchs ;) [21:40] neat, my slackware 12 compiz video is on the first page near the top on a youtube search of the word slackware [21:40] woo [21:40] Action: i_is_cat gets more coffee [21:41] damn.. i had completly and utterly forgotten how much work i do on a freshly installed slackware box :P [21:42] Hey macavity, how are you? [21:42] but i really like KDE4 for the way it handles i/o progress dialogs [21:43] firebird619: absolutely fabby!.. and you? [21:43] still havent tried kde4 yet.... [21:43] macavity: doing great, thanks. So, your liking kde4/current? [21:43] go -current my frind [21:43] I have current in a VM. :) [21:43] firebird619: yup! [21:44] running slackware in a VM is close to blasphemy :P [21:44] unless its on a slackware host... [21:44] only RedmondOS belongs in there [21:44] i_is_cat: It is. :) [21:44] well then.. theres nothing at all wrong about that [21:45] I use kde4 for casual surfing and playing music and stuff like that. It is quite unproductive when it comes to serious work. Looks good though [21:45] ok, now i need to investigate "yakuake for KDE4" options.. i constantly hit ½ and the wrong thing happens :P [21:45] macavity: I've been on current before, kde4 is very nice. [21:45] yakuake has a kde4 version I thought now, not sure if that;s what it's called though [21:45] firebird619: it *so* needs an updated xorg if you have intel hardware [21:45] kitche: thanks! [21:46] yeah they have a FAQ [21:46] http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/extragearr/utils/yakuake/KDE4FAQ [21:47] macavity: my GPU is nvidia, I do notice much better performace with the nvidia drivers installed, that's for sure. [21:47] kitche: it is still called yakuake :P [21:48] pps it's just extragear :) [21:48] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:48] macavity: yeah but I thought there is a clone as well of it now think that's the one I seen [21:48] KyKo (n=KyKo@99-196-11-132.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] i wonder why -current does not have kde-extragear [21:50] read yakuake's documentation in the source package, there is a bug when used with some video drivers (nvidia) [21:51] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [21:51] woh3 (n=will@76.4.244.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:52] fortunately i have Intel GMA [21:52] Zozma (n=Winter@98-125-72-61.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:53] Zozma (n=Winter@98.125.123.68) joined ##slackware. [21:53] KyKo (n=KyKo@99-196-11-132.cust.wildblue.net) left ##slackware. [21:54] yeah intel may not be the most powerful or highest performance, but for Linux it works very well [21:55] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:55] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [21:55] i am sure they will fix it [21:55] wow... no ./configure [21:55] Nick change: Stx -> Guest3896 [21:56] not everything has a ./configure [21:56] scons [21:56] i cant turn my back on the world for a measly half a year without them changing everythign and its grandmother [21:56] Action: TwinReverb isn't into scons [21:56] scons does not appear to be installed?!? [21:56] easier to debug than autocrud [21:56] full install here.. [21:56] probably cmake [21:57] from my perspective ./configure && make && make install works great, why do we need more? [21:57] i hate cmake, i wish the kde team would have never used that [21:57] work as a package maintainer for a while and debug some of the monkey-written cut-n-paste autocrud scripts [21:58] pain [21:58] Pig_Pen: i tend to agree.. but autotools/mingw is not what you would call ideal for ports to windows [21:58] pi31415, well the problem isn't the script, it's those cutting and pasting [21:58] if windows would just roll over and die, autotools (when used properly) is a godsent [21:58] like i said, from my perspective, ./configure etc worked fine before, assuming upstream did thins properly [21:58] i may not use kde4 because of cmake and roll my own kde-3.5.x [21:58] the problem isn't assy, its the coders [21:59] asm [21:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [22:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:01] building kde with cmake is SO much easier than autotools [22:01] ok, brb [22:01] sleepytime, laters [22:01] what method do you guys use to stay current? [22:01] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:02] i don't like scons because you have to build something additional. to me it's a solution for a non-existent problem, but i guess i'm strange [22:03] frullet_, stay current? you mean -current or current as in patches to 12.2 ? [22:03] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:03] TwinReverb: as in -current [22:03] ok, for some odd reason or another, yakuake refuses to detect the ½ key as input for the shortcut?!? [22:03] frullet_, i just rsync to -current and when it "moves" i go to telinit 1 and update [22:04] macavity, .Xmodmap ? [22:04] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:04] scons python, autotools entire unix shell environment [22:04] TwinReverb: never been a problem before... [22:04] TwinReverb: ok thanks mate [22:04] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [22:04] m4, ed for some scripts, automake, libtool, etc [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] man qt4 takes forever to install :S [22:05] hmmm, ed scripts [22:05] not seen those in a long time [22:06] and I'll take any build system over Imake [22:06] ^5 [22:06] what the heck key is that? I don't have UTF-8 setup all I see is some odd looking symbol [22:06] kitche: from here it looks like the 1/2 symbol [22:07] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:07] ok.. now that i have yakuake back online, KDE4 is not that bad :P [22:07] (no idea what kind of keyboard he's using that has a 1/2 key though) [22:07] he will half to check it out [22:08] *groan* [22:08] Urchlay: Danish keyboard has that key, and the § sign just left of the top row number 1 button [22:08] what's the § sign actually mean? [22:08] paragraph [22:08] looks vaguely like a caduceus [22:08] eg, laws are full of them [22:09] oh, right, I've seen those in legal documents before [22:09] but i dont ever use the 1/2 key, so it is perfect for yakuake [22:09] especially since it is a lot more close at hand than F12 [22:09] which is the default [22:09] what's yakuake actually do? [22:09] (yes, I'm too lazy to google...) [22:10] it is a terminal emulator that slides down over the screeen like the console in Quake [22:10] oh, neat [22:10] yes [22:10] obviously you can't use the ~ key like quake does... [22:10] it is THE single most enabling program to a poweruser [22:10] schpenke (n=schpenke@cpe-67-9-246-172.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Urchlay: thats the neat thing about the danish keyboard layout :P [22:11] if I were using it I'd probably try to assign alt-` [22:11] Urchlay: ~ is located elsewhere :P [22:11] (eh, well, except right now alt-` is assigned to "maximize" in wmaker) [22:11] as long as you just have it close at hand :P [22:12] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [22:12] as long as it supports vi key bindings my hands never need to leave the keyboard [22:12] I suppose if you have the silly windows keys, they'd be good for that [22:12] but mark my words.. as soon as you get used to having a tabbed terminal emulator that close at hand, other peoples computers become a nightmare to operate :P [22:13] cmk_zzz: try left-handed mousing, too. You don't have to move your left hand very far from the home keys, to reach the mouse (unlike right-handed mousing where it's like a foot away) [22:13] most other peoples' computers are already a nightmare to operate [22:13] true that [22:14] windows, standard mouse (instead of my trakball) which is right-handed, crappy keyboards instead of a real one [22:14] Action: rworkman likes that nipple mouse on a thinkpad :) [22:14] urchlay: yeah, true. but i am kind of used using only keyboard now. There are only a few applications that are problem using without a mouse [22:14] rworkman: pm? [22:14] sure [22:14] yakuake (and similar apps) are an interesting concept, but I found in the end they were really of no use to me, since I never actually use the computer without a terminal open anyway. [22:14] nippo [22:14] rworkman: I like those too. I've actually got a couple of black IBM model M's that have that. [22:15] Urchlay: I'd go crazy without it. I *HATE* touchpads. [22:15] ugh, yeah [22:15] for serious laptop use I carry one of those tiny USB mice with a retractable cord [22:15] (but those are a pain too. I miss the old 486 laptops with an integrated trakball) [22:16] I have a logitech laster mouse that's rather small, and the usb receiver is *tiny* - it sticks out about .70cm from the laptop [22:16] I liked the concept of the BT mouse that stored in the PCMCIA slot. Though in practice they feel like using a piece of cardboard for a mouse [22:16] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:16] MS3FGX: well at least I probably wouldn't lose it like I would a plain wireless one [22:17] Charges when it is in the slot too, very clever design. [22:17] neat [22:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:17] do they exist for "old" PCMCIA (cardbus slots)? [22:18] (I notice they've changed them again for new laptops, can't remember what the new name is though) [22:18] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [22:21] The ones I have seen have been PCMCIA type 2 style [22:22] People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms :) [22:22] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] the_gato (n=gato@cpe-67-249-229-144.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] lol. that's good one Urchlay. :) [22:23] I didn't invent it (wish I had) [22:23] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: "leaving" [22:24] also knew a guy who pronounced PCMCIA like "pakemkia", accent on 2nd syllable [22:28] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] antiwire: when you have that freeradius slackbuild ready let me know. ;) [22:29] working on it [22:29] ;) [22:30] antiwire: as you know I was trying it myself, but failed for some reason, but I have faith in you. :) [22:37] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-176-178-179.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-176-178-179.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Instantbird 0.1.3.1" [22:44] alexb__ (n=alexb@user-142g4f9.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:44] MidasManchu (n=andrew@ip68-100-194-47.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:45] Nick change: alexb__ -> test34 [22:45] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:45] is there an audio player that can stream music from my fileserver, so I don't have to set up a CIFS? [22:46] or some way to serve up music easily [22:46] damn qt4 is still going... [22:47] Nick change: A_666_A -> sidmario [22:50] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] installed kde 3.5, glad I did [22:51] qt4 is huge [22:54] Anyone care to answer this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3529013#post3529013 [22:54] gbelknap (n=ubuntu@c-76-125-184-115.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] rworkman: Just likes nipples! [22:55] i think all the ppl over on #vb.nett are dead it's not that i wanna do vd it's that i have to for class [22:56] whoops wrong terminal [22:56] srry [22:56] :( [22:56] toastytoast: You have a class that requires you to have VD? Ouch, that has to hurt! What do they do for the exams? [22:57] vb* [22:57] I know. I just read that and started laughing! [22:57] lol vd couldn't be much worse than vb [22:57] VD = venereal disease. [22:57] I don't think anyone wants to do VD ... [22:57] i know [22:57] Anybody? [22:57] LOL [22:58] Maybe that's why rworkman likes nipples? [22:58] Ok. I'll stop now. [22:58] heh. That's what I tell people on Valentine's Day.. "Happy VD to you, too." [22:58] it is tough to be weened from the nipple [22:59] I quit fighting it. [22:59] you know, I always think of the trackpoint as a clitoris, not a nipple... [22:59] That's GREAT!! [23:00] ROFLMAO [23:00] Just don't shortout your notebook from the saliva! [23:01] swedala (n=swedala@1-1-2-30a.gsn.gbg.bostream.se) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] You'd have flashbacks from too much information on the tip of your tongue. [23:02] Shingoshi: if your *only* purpose in having a 64-bit gcc is to be able to build 64-bit kernels and kernel modules, you need a cross gcc. Use crosstool. You'll end up with e.g. /opt/crosstool/gcc-4.2.4/x86_64-slackware-linux/bin/gcc [23:03] And that's all I'll need to build a 64-bit kernel? [23:03] then when you get ready to build the kernel or modules "export CC=/opt/crosstool/gcc-4.2.4/x86_64-slackware-linux/bin/gcc" and "export HOSTCC=/usr/bin/gcc" before running "make menuconfig" or whatever [23:03] yes. Kernel doesn't include glibc, so no need for a 64-bit glibc [23:04] the cross compiler is a 32-bit binary that spits out 64-bit binaries with no need for -m64 [23:04] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] greetings and salutations [23:05] Zozma (n=Winter@98.125.123.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:05] I was talking to someone else who said Debian has a single complier which defaults to 32-bit, but builds 64-bit also. [23:06] that's possible too. The way I'm talking about though, doesn't replace your system's gcc. [23:06] What if my intention is to have the ability later to build other 64-bit applications? Do I need the 64-bit glibc then? [23:06] How do you get sed to convert only the reference part of an HTML link into lowercase? John Doe is insensitive. In this example I would like the link to be all lower case but the name to remain capitalized. [23:06] seamonkey aint too bad - it reminds me of netscape in the 90s [23:06] you'll need 64-bit versions of glibs and any other libs the apps need [23:07] s/glibs/glibc/ [23:07] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-209-101.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] The name! It's so similar. [23:07] Urchlay: Please post your comments there. I'm not the only one who will want or need to know this. Thank you! [23:07] if I have to create an account, I won't bother [23:08] Why don't you have an account? It's free, and very useful. I use it all the time. [23:08] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-71-241-211-201.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] It works very well for the community as well. [23:09] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:09] I just went to vb.net and asked how to run a .exe in a unix like os. I wouldnt normaly do it but I'm really pissed off at microsoft right now [23:09] I'm not a fan of those web forums that rate you based on how many posts you've made, so you start out with "noob" next to your name. [23:09] did that solve your problem? [23:09] nope [23:10] every one on vb.net is still dead [23:10] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] Urchlay: Are you really that concerned for what others may perceive of you? [23:11] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [23:12] You can show exactly how much experience you have by the number of years you've been running Linux. [23:12] Shingoshi, that's very general [23:13] I guess I subscribe to the "What anyone else thinks of me is none of my business! [23:13] bhodgins: normal win32/win64 -> wine ; .net apps -> mono [23:13] I know, I was just being a jackass [23:13] Action: Motoko-chan has been using Linux for 99999 years! [23:13] but its usually faster to pick up a gun and shoot yourself in the head... its less painfull!! [23:14] bhodgins: i know, i'm just teasing you a little more ;) [23:14] haha [23:14] I'm in ##windows now [23:14] oh no [23:14] Urchlay: So if I compile a new gcc for building 64-bit apps, I only need the 64-bit glibc if I want to run them? [23:14] I probably shouldnt, but I should ask, "Hey I can't find my C:\ drive I'm in /" [23:14] maybe you should part ##slackware, or at least set +i [23:15] yeah. [23:16] I dont want to bring spam into slackware, thatd be awful [23:16] no.. that would just get you a +b real fast :P [23:16] err, no, you'd need the 64-bit glibc for compiling them [23:17] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.2.7-dev" [23:17] sed -e 's/[Hh][Rr][Ee][Ff]\(="[^"]*"\)/\nhref\1\n/' | sed -e '/^href/ y/ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyx/' [23:17] cheesy but it seemed to work [23:17] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-71-241-211-201.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left ##slackware. [23:17] pi31415: can you not use [A-Z] in sed's y/// command? [23:17] regular expressions are inherently readonly :P [23:18] Urchlay: let me try it [23:18] that ain't exactly a regular expression [23:18] (well, the first part is) [23:18] Urchlay: no, I can't [23:18] schpenke (n=schpenke@cpe-67-9-246-172.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: "schpenke has no reason" [23:18] also, s/xyx/xyz/ [23:19] perl's probably more elegant to use for that, something like: perl -e 's/(href\s*=\s*")(.*?)(")/$1 . lc($2) . $3/ige' [23:19] if you do an ifconfig -a and it only shows lo that means the network card was not detected and the mod loaded correct? [23:20] Why don't you need a 64-bit glibc to compile the kernel? [23:20] er, you likely want "perl -ple" there [23:20] Shingoshi: because the kernel doesn't use glibc at all [23:21] (glibc is userspace code, the kernel isn't userspace...) [23:21] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:21] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:21] Oh. It doesn't make any calls to glibc! [23:21] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-71-241-211-201.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] shingoshi: unless it's using fuse [23:21] oh well [23:21] Action: pi31415 ducks [23:21] fuse is amazing [23:21] so, when does fuse become circuit breaker? [23:22] I have fuse running here, with apps to go with it. [23:23] i have sshfs, curlftpfs and fuse-smb i believe [23:23] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [23:24] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [23:24] Urchlay: Can I repackage the Slamd64 gcc to exist in /opt instead? [23:24] eh, probably more of a pain than it's worth [23:25] even when using fuse, all the kernel does is execute the helper app... the helper app is what uses glibc [23:25] (and yes, fuse is Neat Stuff) [23:25] What if I just rename the package to gcc64, so that it doesn't replace my existing gcc? [23:25] and there's absolutely no reason a 64-bit kernel can't use a 32-bit fuse helper [23:26] i'm curious about the benefits of recompiling glibc and the kernel for 64 bit without doing the rest of the system [23:26] U-Neeks (i=555@201-88-28-101.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [23:26] what is the point? [23:26] Shingoshi: well both slamd64 and slackware install gcc as /usr/bin/gcc, so you sorta have a problem there... [23:26] ok. So simply repacking may be better. [23:27] jhanssen (n=jhan100@200-219-120-156.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:27] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:27] also, the slamd64 gcc won't run without a 64-bit glibc and supporting cast (you'd need a /lib64 and /usr/lib64 dir...) [23:27] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-107.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:27] and if you're going to do that, you're better off using slamd64 [23:27] Shingoshi: I must have missed something way back there; What are you trying to accomplish? [23:28] Wait. Can't you use a suffix on your binaries? Oh! Never Mind! [23:28] another question are you aware of any bug between the detection of a modem 3G device on kernel 2.6.25 ?like mine was not creating the /dev/ttyUSB* [23:28] what you want is a *cross compiler*, a gcc that is a 32-bit binary, runs on a 32-bit host with 32-bit libs, and emits 64-bit code [23:28] easiest way I know of to get a cross-gcc would be to use crosstool [23:28] jhanssen: I'm running a 64-bit kernel with Slackware, and can't build any kernel modules. [23:29] Shingoshi: what's the point of running a 64bit kernel alone? [23:29] jhanssen: when you plug in the device, run "dmesg|tail" and see if there's any mention of it in there [23:29] 8 GBs ram! [23:29] isn't that what PAE is for? [23:29] it's not a module it's an usbserial kernel behavior [23:30] antiwire: probly a waste of time, you're not the first to have this conversation with Shingoshi [23:30] Urchlay, it was recognized by the system but I can't see any /dev/ttyUSB [23:30] There were questions raised about using that feature. Something about efficiency. [23:30] Urchlay: ah ha [23:30] lsusb shows that [23:31] stillborn (n=blow_my_@YKDCLXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [23:31] jhanssen: did it perhaps create the device node elsewhere? /dev/tts/something maybe? [23:31] jhanssen: is it showing up as ttyACM instead? [23:31] hugleo (i=1000@unaffiliated/hugleo) joined ##slackware. [23:31] hi [23:31] It was stated that a 64-bit kernel ran more efficiently than a 32-bit with PAE. [23:31] salutations hugleo [23:32] Action: Shingoshi goes shopping. [23:32] how about: unplug the device, do "ls -R /dev > 1", then plug in the device, do "ls -R /dev > 2", then "diff 1 2" [23:32] the only thing that I got was an scd0 or sr0 when I issued ls -ltr /dev/ | tail [23:32] Hi andarius, how are you? [23:32] firebird619: good, you ? [23:32] but it went pretty faster gone and after that is gone I started to see dmesg errors for the usb-storage module [23:32] if diff doesn't show any output, then no device node was created... [23:32] 110 errors [23:32] Do you anybody can tell me about loadlin files int /root directory? [23:32] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [23:32] fun [23:32] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-209-101.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:33] now I am upgrading the kernel .. lets see on 2.6.26 [23:33] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-153-159.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] andarius: doing great. thanks. [23:33] jhanssen: what version of slackware are you running? [23:33] hugleo: loadlin is for booting Linux from a MS-DOS formatted floppy, IIRC. See the text file in root's home directory. [23:34] weird.. sbopkg wont install qbittorrent complaining i dont have libtorrent-rasterbar but ive already installed it with sbopkg.... [23:34] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@143.77.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [23:34] hugleo: short answer: it's safe to delete them, if that's what you're asking [23:34] Urchlay: yes. tks [23:34] running a debian actually .. not a slack ... [23:34] i_is_cat: why not just use sbs the usual way [23:34] i would remove the loadlin pkg if you are not using it at all [23:35] jhanssen: I don't mean this in a mean way but don't you think that asking the debian guys about this would be better? [23:35] can someone quick give me a cookie? i've never had my box up for 13 days straight. :P [23:35] actually, hrm, it's not just for floppy disks. But unless you're dual-booting Linux and a DOS-based windows (95 or 98 or ME), loadlin's completely useless [23:36] /dcc send antler cookies/chocolate_chip.tar.gz [23:36] YAY!! [23:36] antiwire, I didnt ask about debian or slack just about kernel .. if you don't have anyother idea Thank You [23:36] Urchlay: my favourite, too! :P [23:36] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8F2C0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:37] jhanssen: there's a diff channel for that too [23:37] jhanssen: did you try what I suggested? [23:37] that'll work regarldless of whether you're on slack, debian, whatever... [23:37] s/ld/d/ [23:38] jhanssen: Well I do have another idea. The reason I ask if you are running slackware is because I don't have any issues with USB modems or networking cards or serial cards creating their device nodes, at all under slackware. You're also right about asking a kernel question, but you are asking a kernel question about a kernel that is not a slackware kernel at all so you might want to first, ask in a debian channel and second ask in a kernel sp [23:38] antiwire: vaniall kernel to be precise [23:38] vanilla* [23:39] does slackware has a kernel's from it ? NEver heard about that.. anyway thanks [23:39] you're welcome, good luck [23:40] jhanssen (n=jhan100@200-219-120-156.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:40] bleah. I gave him something to try, and he didn't try it [23:40] debian rolls out its own kernels [23:40] with custom patches n all [23:40] yeah. One reason why I never liked to run it. [23:40] stripped firmware lol [23:40] not quite as nasty as redhat kernels, but still unclean [23:41] What happens when someone running a debian kernel tries to submit a kernel bug to the LKML? [23:41] last time i tried fedora it showe kernel failure right after first login [23:41] I guess thats waht they call 'bleeding edge' :p [23:42] thats not bleeding edge. its bent edge [23:42] and i would assume the lkml would vomit a "try a non patched kernel then call again" [23:43] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@KMLVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:43] yeah coz they've got a habit of screwing things up [23:43] yeah, as far as I know, they won't even accept a report if the nvidia driver module is loaded either [23:44] antiwire: thats fair game [23:44] ? [23:44] what's fair game? [23:44] the nvidia module taints the kerenl [23:44] not touching custom kernels? [23:44] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "working on getting slax to connect to the network. XP" [23:45] it's not a custom kernel just because of the nvidia module but it does mean that there is unblessed code loaded into the kernel [23:45] Floops (n=baihu@shellium/member/floops) left irc: "changing servers" [23:45] i think they treated madwifi in the same manner in those days too [23:47] they treat reiser4 like this [23:47] they say the code is unholy :p [23:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:52] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("mIRC"). [23:52] toytoy (n=dindin@112.202.44.242) joined ##slackware. [23:52] anyone have experience with nvidia sata controllers in linux? atapci1: port 0x9f0-0x9f7,0xbf0-0xbf3,0x970-0x977,0xb70-0xb73,0xd000-0xd00f mem 0xfeafd000-0xfeafdfff irq 20 at device 7.0 on pci0 [23:52] 4/win 3 [23:52] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "gone" [23:52] reiser4 is unholy, just because its author killed somebody? [23:53] or is it unholy because it's rotten/buggy code? (I've never used it...) [23:53] lol [23:53] hugleo (i=1000@unaffiliated/hugleo) left ##slackware. [23:54] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:55] I mean I've looked at the BitchX source and found it unreadable... can't believe Hans would write anything that bad though [23:56] toastytoast is almost done his vb class. I want to test out of it but I just found out that they do .net now (ew) and well, I havent used vb for years, and you cant test out of it. If go go for computer science I have to take it (ugh) [23:56] that's so weird [23:56] I'll ask again tonight - does anyone here know git pretty well? [23:56] I have used git for my projects [23:57] teaching proprietary languages in required university courses [23:57] there a problem you have?> [23:57] bhodgins: well, kinda :) [23:57] Hi rworkman, how are you? [23:57] I dont remember it off my head much, ive been usng subversion instead [23:57] but I'm sure I could be refreshed a bit on memory [23:57] Action: Motoko-chan uses svn a lot too [23:57] whats the issue? [23:58] I've got some patches for module-init-tools done. I've made a new branch inside the m-i-t tree, and I know how to change between branches and such. [23:58] What I can't figure out is how to push my branch to a new remote location so that the mit guy can pull the patches [23:58] (yes, I know I could just mail diffs to him, but I want to figure this out) [23:58] can't` you just commit it to a new url? [23:59] bhgupi're talking about pushing it to a new repo right? [00:00] --- Mon May 4 2009