[00:01] The_Thing, in dmesg,how does vbox see the vbox...do dmesg|less [00:01] meant to say the cdrom [00:03] JonnyV (~jonny@190.31.233.62) joined ##slackware. [00:04] Lab_Rat (~lab_rat@c-67-164-44-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:04] hdc: VBOX CD-ROM, ATAPI CDROM drive [00:05] How do I get out of it. [00:05] q [00:05] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:05] k [00:06] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: kernel [00:06] Now what? [00:06] The_Thing, are you in root? [00:06] yes [00:07] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [00:07] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] Motoko-chan: cool. yes I was around :) [00:09] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] wonder if 4.0 could mount iso images using mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt [00:10] Nick change: wario -> mrselfpwn [00:11] peacenik (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] MLanden, maybe mount -o loop will do the thing [00:12] aha! [00:12] Action: pupit i just got here, reading through channel log :) [00:13] "mount dev/hdc /mnt" did the trick [00:13] pupit, all cool....goin' through the refresher my self...:D [00:13] :) [00:13] I'm in the slakware folder [00:13] Action: MLanden even though his earliest was 8.0 and not 4.0..:D [00:14] peacenik (root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [00:14] and then, what am I doing next? [00:14] The_Thing, is there an X1 folder? [00:14] ye [00:14] s [00:14] yes* [00:14] cd to it? [00:15] yes [00:15] k [00:16] The_Thing, try installpkg *tgz [00:16] installpkg *tgz [00:16] opps, wrong window [00:17] righteous_ (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:17] it's ran through and installed them [00:17] The_Thing, might need to install all of the X folders [00:18] brb [00:19] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] JonnyV (~jonny@190.31.233.62) left irc: Quit: hay dos palabras en esta vida que te abrirán muchas puertas..... TIRE Y EMPUJE [00:20] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> wario [00:23] Srbo_ (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) joined ##slackware. [00:25] back [00:25] All of this thinking made me hungry :P [00:25] So how do I go about installing the X folders? [00:25] pupit (p@91.150.106.167) left ##slackware. [00:25] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:26] SuhanaV (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [00:26] The_Thing, all good...unusual for one to literally start at the beginning of a distro [00:26] or close since there was slackware 1,2 and 3 [00:27] I tried startx, still says it can't find the config file [00:27] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:28] Well to be blunt, the only reason I'm using Slackware 4 is to take a gander around KDE 1.1... [00:29] The_Thing, ever mess with kde2? [00:29] And Slackware 4 is the only distro I found that I could download that already has it... [00:29] Suhana (~vash@host217-44-242-7.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:30] No, I've used KDE 3 though, in SLES9 [00:31] just finish downloading 4.0...firing up vbox now [00:31] Action: The_Thing is /me has an unusual fascination with older GUI's... :D [00:31] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:33] chasmo77 (~chas@69.4.142.4) left irc: Quit: this is not a .sig [00:36] The_Thing, can you type xf86config? [00:36] :o [00:36] :D Now we're getting somewhere... [00:39] The_Thing, is slackware4 seein' vbox's virtual video? [00:39] um [00:39] No clue, I'm still configuring it [00:40] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] The_Thing, my bad...sorry [00:41] righteous_ (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] hrm, iptraf doesn't seem to be it; it isn't monitoring the network. i should be displaying an "mi_ip - IRC freenode.org' type line, it shows nothing [00:44] "Fatal server error: [00:44] no screens found" [00:45] yeah and im browsing the web on another machine, it should be showing every page i view... [00:45] MLanden? [00:45] The_Thing, still here [00:46] righteous_, that requires the software have knowledge of the various protocols; you'd need something like tshark [00:46] M1ck3y (jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:46] trhodes:: is tshark ok for a command line environment? [00:46] yep, it's like command line wireshark [00:46] kk [00:47] darn, no slackbuild? [00:47] sbopkg cant find it :( [00:47] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:48] The_Thing, when you came to video on xf86config..what did you enter? or was there an option for vesa? [00:48] righteous_: it might be part of wireshark [00:48] righteous_: indeed it is [00:49] oh awesome [00:49] because this box has a keyboard but no mouse, i dont even run x [00:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [00:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:50] I entered choice 1 at first... [00:51] now I'm doing choice 8 [00:52] Wiren (~aad@ip-233.net-81-220-39.lyon.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: [00:54] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-79.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:56] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [00:59] blaines (~blaines@12.175.45.195) joined ##slackware. [01:00] blaines (~blaines@12.175.45.195) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [01:00] yikes. my mobo speaker is making a two-tone alarm. never seen that. [01:00] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:00] The_Thing, looks like I'll have to try the live cd....doesn't seem to like my p4 w/ht [01:01] blaines (~blaines@12.175.45.195) joined ##slackware. [01:01] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] for a second i thought it was possessed ad id pulled the case speaker out, but this is a little speaker embedded into the mobo, going do-dee-do-dee-do-dee over and over and over and wont stop. [01:01] pretty sure thats bad. [01:01] where is the HISTSIZE variable stored? [01:02] blaines (~blaines@12.175.45.195) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [01:04] hahaha that was the most ghetto fix i've ever done. it turned out the pny agp card i had in there was overheating because that machine never turns off, so instead of restarting i just stuck my hands onto the heatsink to absorb the excess heat and the alarm stopped lololol [01:05] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:05] righteous_: check power unit [01:05] arg, I just want to start the display manager! xD [01:05] vehn_z:: ^^ it was the gfx card [01:06] Where the bash history variables are stored [01:06] i mean for example HISTSIZE [01:06] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:06] if i do echo $HISTSIZE i can see that value [01:06] but where is the file where the variables are stored [01:06] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] The_Thing, when you chose 8,what happned? [01:07] uh... [01:08] uh... uh.... [01:08] Action: The_Thing explodes [01:08] DareDevil0: ls ~/.bash_history [01:09] Action: The_Thing is trying the livecd [01:09] vehn_z, in ~/.bash_history i have the commands i have typed but not the HISTSIZE variable [01:09] "Fatal ser... [01:09] weird though ive never seen a gfx card, even a cheap old one, overheat without X [01:09] No valid modes found [01:10] vehn_z, what is the difference between the set and the export command? [01:10] Action: The_Thing wishes someone would create a preconfigured slackware 4 VM... xD [01:11] The_Thing, hopefully,the livecd can "pickup" on vbox's vesa [01:11] wireshark slackbuild for 13.0 does not compile in a vanilla 13.0 environment. is there a secret i dont know? [01:11] DareDevil0: google: bash 4 HISTSIZE [01:11] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:11] Action: The_Thing tries again [01:12] Specify a mouse protocol type [01:12] righteous_: bash 4, agin [01:12] selecting 4, PS/2 mouse [01:12] vehn_z:: what? [01:12] Enable Emulate3Buttons? y [01:12] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:12] default mouse device [01:13] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:13] Do you want to use XKB? y. Keymap 1 selected. [01:13] righteous_: http://www.slackbuilds.org/faq/#bash4 [01:14] MLanden: "You must indicate the horizontal sync range of your monitor" [01:14] you about current? [01:14] MLanden? [01:14] righteous_: you about current? [01:14] vehn_z:: oh you're saying there's a slackbuild prerequisite thats not specified on wireshark's slackbuild page. that must be what you meant. [01:15] The_Thing, still here..hold on [01:15] vehn_z:: its the last release of 13.0 [01:15] k [01:15] change version [01:15] O_O [01:16] Action: The_Thing is watching this movie that has huge insects in it [01:16] Nick change: wario -> mrselfpwn [01:16] The_Thing, with my xorg.conf CRT..HorizSync 30-70...VertRefresh 50-160... that's about average [01:17] righteous_: change version in slackbuilld.XX [01:17] k [01:17] "enter an identifier" [01:17] man you've gotta use complete sentences with me or im just going to end up being an idiot. [01:17] identifier, vendor name, and model name all "asdf" [01:18] "Do you want ot look at the card database?: [01:18] What on earth does vbox use for a videocard? xD [01:18] The_Thing, that would be the videocard...try and use vesa for videocard [01:18] xorgsetup is must simpler [01:19] I don't see "vesa" as an option [01:19] I do see "generic VGA" [01:19] ang,he's messin' with slackware 4.0 to take a gander at kde 1.0 [01:20] in vbox [01:20] MLanden: that sounds like a collosal waste of time [01:20] lol [01:20] ang, from you ?! :P [01:20] j/k [01:20] trhodes: at least my shit is working :) [01:20] really? cool [01:20] ) [01:20] got virutall all of X working :) [01:20] i was wonderin' how that's goin' [01:20] wow [01:20] Well, being a collosal waste of time is what I do best :P [01:21] yup. got blackbox up right now :) [01:21] nice, what glibc ? [01:21] 2.11.1 :) [01:22] ang: what about /var/log/Xorg.log, paste in pastebin.org [01:22] hmm, how did you manage that ? [01:23] hands, no? ) [01:23] anyway vehn_z im using 3.1.17(2)-release, that issue should not affect me. [01:23] trhodes: time and luck :) [01:23] (and a few patches from gentoo) [01:24] haha ;) [01:24] ang: what about /var/log/Xorg.log, paste in pastebin.org. Are you dud? [01:25] ang: go to ubuntoo [01:26] too large to paste in to pastebin [01:26] ) [01:26] yep, you are .. [01:27] here's a little taste: http://pastebin.com/gCUBhxnM [01:28] and? .. [01:28] Action: mrselfpwn licks ang [01:28] haha, it's weird seein' alpha and slackware [01:28] tuvok302 (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-183.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:28] trhodes: :-) [01:29] have you done benchmarks on alphie ? [01:29] Linux alphie 2.6.33 #57 Tue Mar 30 14:59:23 EDT 2010 alpha EV56 Miata GNU/Linux [01:29] trhodes: no. they will take too long ;-) [01:29] i just wonder what kind of number crunching alphas did [01:29] haha [01:29] i wish qemu had target-alpha support so I could at least use distcc [01:30] i'm too lazy to set up cross compilers [01:30] yeah, i looked and looked and did not see any vm's for alpha that were freely available [01:30] es40.org got vms running, but apparantly linux doesn't work [01:31] trhodes, i don't understand very well the difference between set and export [01:31] DareDevil0: try "help set | less" and "help export" [01:33] The_Thing, how you coming along? [01:34] I can' [01:34] I can't find "vesa" in that list [01:35] What number is it? [01:35] The_Thing, try vga [01:35] "Generic VGA compatible"? [01:35] The_Thing, yes [01:36] DareDevil0: basically, "set" affects variables that control shell behavior, and export makes variables (that shell scripts use) available to subshells -- shells that are spawned by the current shell [01:37] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:37] "What clockchip setting do you want?" [01:38] trhodes, got it [01:38] thank you [01:38] The_Thing, brought up the man to xfree86config...skip that one...optional [01:38] "Connection refused" [01:39] unable to connect to X server [01:40] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426737.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:40] The_Thing, with a kernel that old...might have to try the live cd and see if it autoconfigs X [01:40] I am in the live cd [01:41] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:41] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] The_Thing, ok [01:43] Action: The_Thing already gave up [01:45] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:45] The_Thing (illogical@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be) left ##slackware. [01:46] has anybody used macvlan? I can't seem to get the proper syntax... everything I see says to run `ip link add link REAL_DEVICE address NEW_MAC NEW_DEV_NAME type macvlan`, but everytime I run that, it complains that "Command 'add' is unknown" [01:47] mishehu: I've setup vlan tagging under Linux with vconfig but I've never used macvlan with iproute2 [01:49] does X come with a command line utility for taking a screenshot? I seem to remember their being one [01:49] antiwire: hmm yah, using vconfig is very simple. have used that a lot. [01:50] mishehu: It looks to me like the 'link' option does not support add [01:50] antiwire: which ver of iproute2 do you have? [01:51] ip utility, iproute2-ss100224 [01:51] that's from ip -V [01:51] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> wario [01:52] antiwire: that a recent package from -current? [01:52] Yes, I'm using -current [01:52] the ip man page doesn't show anything about ip link and the add option [01:53] Nick change: wario -> mrselfpwn [01:53] antiwire: ok, do you have the macvlan either built in your kernel or as a module? [01:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:53] antiwire: because I *just* built the ver of iproute2 from 13.0 on this box and I do see add and delete as options [01:53] kernel/drivers/net/macvlan.ko [01:54] antiwire: hmm I really wonder why its like that [01:55] ah ha "Just because your iproute ip command doesn't have any help or documentation for "link add", doesn't mean it won't work. Lenny's will." [01:55] http://jim.studt.net/depository/index.php/notes-on-linux-s-macvlan-module [01:57] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [01:57] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-178-65.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:57] Axelpalm (~alch@95-153-0-136.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [01:58] antiwire: ok, after updating I can add it [02:00] what did you update? [02:00] antiwire: the iproute2 package. I had an older version from slamd64 12.1 on this box [02:01] ah cool [02:01] good to know too [02:02] ang: xwd is one command that comes to mind [02:02] xwd -root or -screen might work [02:02] antiwire: I'm basically trying to figure out how exactly to fool this stupid 2wire 3800hg gateway device that AT&T requires I use for Uverse internet. the damn device only allows 1 IP per MAC address, so I can bind all 5 of my usable addresses to my slack router box. [02:03] mornig [02:04] antiwire: and unfortunately this didn't work, though it seemed like a very hopeful possiblity. :-/ [02:05] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [02:06] trhodes: yeah, i was thinking of import....but i don't have that installed yet [02:06] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:06] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:09] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:11] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:11] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:14] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:14] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-121-220-218-106.lns5.way.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:16] after|math (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:17] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:19] Whats the diference between gentoo and slackware/ [02:19] ? [02:20] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:21] There are a lot of differences. They aren't very similar at all, really. Other than they are both better suited to more advanced users. [02:21] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [02:22] Dolp (chatzilla@CPE-121-220-218-106.lns5.way.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware. [02:23] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:25] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [02:26] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:26] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:26] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:29] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) joined ##slackware. [02:29] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) left irc: Changing host [02:29] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [02:34] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. 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[04:29] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:30] heya,folks [04:40] =) [04:41] ça va,camarade_tux...how ya doin" ? [04:42] fine, thanks, and you? [04:43] doin' great thanks [04:43] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:44] If I install software from source, how hard will it be to uninstall / upgrade? [04:45] without making a package: almost impossible to do it cleanly [04:45] And how do I make the package? [04:45] Srbo_ (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:47] Azeotrope, first try to ./configure --prefix=/usr then make and make install DESTDIR=/tmp/..cd to that folder in tmp and try and makepkg -l y -c n ../NameOfProgram.tgz [04:48] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-132.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-70.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:48] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [04:50] and if it's .run file? [04:51] Azeotrope, like Virtualbox? [04:52] .run files sometimes come with uninstall/update support, but which program? chances are there's a nice slackbuild for it [04:53] MLanden: exactly [04:54] Camarade_Tux: latest VBox is 3.1.6 and SlackBuild is 3.1.4 [04:54] Azeotrope, there is an uninstall.sh in VBox's folder [04:54] I find that sbopkg is really easy and nice to use. [04:54] Azeotrope: edit the slackbuild to use version 3.1.6 then [04:55] it's meant to be used that way [04:55] Ok. And for pidgin? Slack has an outdated version. How do I upgrade it? [04:56] take the slackbuild, edit it to point to the newer version [04:56] I suspect it may have some dependencies though so it may chokes on other libs [04:56] s/chokes/choke/ [04:57] Camarade_Tux, think so...might have to alter the configure area of that slackbuild a bit [04:58] been a while since I messed with it..but know there've been some changes to libpurple [04:59] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. 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[05:24] wooo :) [05:24] well that's a relief [05:24] since 9 years, I never see this offline :) [05:24] ftp.slackware.com was available the whole time [05:25] new current too :) [05:25] so gqview has been removed, but isn't listed in -current's CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [05:26] is CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT kept up-to-date for current? [05:26] I think that a new current will appear soon, for firefox 3.6.3 [05:26] this one is with 3.6.2 [05:26] i think he'll wait until the day before 3.6.4 is released for 3.6.3 [05:26] yup [05:26] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-79.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:27] I've got my own packages in fr, but I prefer the packages with the current :) [05:27] Camarade_Tux: as far as I can tell, it is kept up-to-date [05:28] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:35] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:36] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. 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[07:17] Hi, what should i add to /etc/fstab so that my external hard drive is mounted on boot and the files are accessible to all users [07:17] i have the following line currently in /etc/fstab: "/dev/sdb1 /mnt/one_tb auto rw,auto,user,sync 0 0" [07:17] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-238.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [07:19] mwnn: What is the partition type of your external HD? [07:20] ntfs [07:20] with the above line, only root is able to access the partition [07:20] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:21] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:21] usus12jari (1000@114.59.110.151) joined ##slackware. [07:23] don't remember well, but don't you also need the proper ownership and permissions on /mnt/one_tb [07:23] Camarade_Tux: How do i do that? [07:25] mwnn: http://slackwiki.org/NTFS-3G [07:25] XGizzmo: let me see that [07:25] Nick change: rizitis_ -> rizitis [07:26] rizitis (~rizitis@79.107.124.162) left irc: Changing host [07:26] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [07:28] Nick change: xchg_afk -> xchg [07:28] Camarade_Tux: parted (GNU parted) 1.8.8 [07:29] lol [07:29] which slackware version? [07:30] how do i find out? :D [07:30] 64 bit [07:30] 13 i think [07:30] yes it's Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 [07:32] i dont know why but i used resize2fs to resize the partition (it told me to do scan with e2fsck, so i did) from 120GB to 103 GB, and now parted, cfdisk show this partition as 120GB, but when i mount it and type in "df -h" it says it's 103GB. lol. [07:32] fortunately nothing was lost [07:32] no data i mean [07:33] i understand resize2fs resizes filesystem not partition - i don't know what's the difference.. [07:34] you probably resized the filesystem without resizing the partition [07:34] how do i resize partition then? [07:34] well, a filesytem lives inside a partition [07:35] cr3rzemjest: Think of `partition' as a `wall' and of `file-system` as a `filing-system'. [07:35] parted's output is "Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. " when i try to resize ext3 partition [07:35] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:35] so i tried resize2fs [07:35] I think fdisk does it, or maybe parted too [07:36] also, i've disabled journal but it didn't help [07:36] looks like parted 1.6.9 can't resize ext2/3 FS with dir_index [07:36] and I can't see anything mentionning this has improved in parted 2.2's changelog [07:36] ok i'll try without that option enabled [07:37] ah, gah, the changelog is shorted than I though: it's only 1000 lines long (as set in the slackbuild) but that only brings me back to november 2009! [07:38] meh [07:38] no no, it's good now [07:38] still same error [07:38] the file system has been resized, all you need to do now is resize the partition [07:38] ah, just don't use parted then [07:38] what should i use instead of parted? [07:38] fdisk doesn't have normal units [07:39] cr3rzemjest: you can use cfdisk instead. [07:39] vvor (~vvor@bzq-79-176-26-57.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] there's no cfdisk on my slackware, and i can't find it using slackpkg or sbopkg [07:41] wait [07:41] nevermind -.- [07:42] but how to resize partition with cfdisk? i can't find such option there ;p [07:43] you do not! [07:43] afaik, you have to delete the partition from the partition table (it doesn't change anything else, no data loss) and recreate one with the correct size [07:43] use gpartd [07:43] but I've neer had to do that so don't trust me and wait for someone with more experience than me [07:44] vvor: not working here [07:44] from the boot cd? [07:44] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B57CB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] not working because it doesn't accept the ext3 filesystem because of "an incompatible feature" [07:45] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-21-237.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:45] ooPssssss [07:45] mwnn (~user@59.96.36.176) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:47] i'll try something else [07:47] cr3rzemjest (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090803134719] [07:53] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [07:54] sup (~sup@222.210.4.75) joined ##slackware. [07:56] sup (sup@222.210.4.75) left ##slackware ("‚»"). [08:01] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:03] Annaa (~Annaa@110.23.99.45) joined ##slackware. [08:03] http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270382085 do my breasts look to big? [08:03] Annaa (Annaa@110.23.99.45) left ##slackware. [08:03] spam :) [08:03] oh, crap, here too? [08:04] btw, it's not a pic at all [08:04] dont follow the link [08:04] (first time I saw that, I had another window hiding the "do my breasts look to big?" part -_- ) [08:04] pretty lame excuse [08:04] hahaha :P [08:04] :p [08:05] it was on oftc and on a tech channel, you don't have much spam there [08:20] Wow I got that specific spam on Blitzed too. [08:21] Sup [08:22] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] lem (root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [08:26] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:27] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:28] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [08:30] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Client Quit [08:30] psypointer (~captain@10vorne.org) joined ##slackware. [08:30] hi [08:30] are the slackware packages gpg signed? [08:30] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [08:30] yes [08:31] tmkd (user-448@clients.shells.eofnet.lt) joined ##slackware. [08:31] i can not install fuse module at slackware [08:31] can you help me? [08:33] tmkd: specify what problem you're having [08:37] hitest (~George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Billtoo_ (~bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016189.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Zordrak: i have compiled fuse.2.8.3, configure/make/make install [08:38] but modprobe fuse doesnot work [08:39] why have you compiled it? why not use the slackware package? [08:39] from slackbuids? [08:40] no, I mean: fuse is already included in slackware [08:40] why do you need to install it again? [08:40] i have changed kernel [08:40] and i have to add kernel module [08:41] it's a kernel option, which has to be enabled in the kernel configuration [08:41] oh my God. [08:41] so now i need recompile kernel? [08:41] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) joined ##slackware. [08:41] i guess so [08:41] you kept the build tree? [08:42] build tree? [08:42] what do you mean? what is build tree [08:42] the directory with the sources [08:42] the kernel sources [08:42] yes [08:42] i have [08:42] but why i need to recompile kernel [08:43] it is possible to load fuse module [08:43] ok, it won't take long to build the fuse module then: edit the kernel config and under "Filsystems", you should see an entry for fuse: build it as a module, compile, install (don't forget to install the modules) [08:44] actually, I forgot to ask first: how did you compile the kernel? where is the configuration from? who did you install the kernel? [08:44] in your opinion this is only one way to add fuse? 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[08:46] your advice is a bit time consuming [08:46] it'll take less than two minutes [08:46] I guess the place you downloaded fuse from is the actual home for fuse [08:46] yes [08:47] but it's not very practical: enabling it in the kernel config is much more practical [08:47] 2minutes + time to compile other modules [08:47] for example nvidia kernel module for graphic [08:47] ah, yeah, nvidia is really annoying for that [08:47] ok, actually [08:48] in /lib/modules/the-release-for-you-new-kernel, create a folder named "misc", then find where nvidia.ko is in /lib/modules/the-release-for-you-new-kernel and move it to this folder [08:48] you won't have to recompile the nvidia module then [08:49] at /lib/modules/2.6.33/kernel i have a much less folders that in 2.6.29 [08:49] yeah, no problem [08:49] maybe just copy modules from old kernel [08:49] no! [08:50] :0 [08:50] i think so [08:50] do as I said: create 2.6.33/misc, and move nvidia.ko there, then rebuild and reinstall the kernel and its modules with fuse enabled as a module [08:51] oscillator (~oscillato@81.35.183.189) joined ##slackware. [08:52] ok, but i would like to do normally [08:52] compile and load module [08:52] hello good afternoon, morning or * [08:53] hello [08:54] oscillator: can you help install fuse kernel module? [08:55] tmkd: do as I told you, it's fast, clean and easy [08:55] hi oscillator [08:55] hi [08:55] ok, i will do this [08:56] Camarade_Tux: but you talk like a lot of 'window users' [08:56] if you have problem, just reinstall OS [08:57] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:57] tmkd: I not have experience with this.. [08:57] tmkd: maybe because sometimes that is just the easiest/fastest solution ? [08:58] tmkd: what? you're missing a file which usually comes from the kernel because you misconfigured the kernel, there's no other solution [08:58] yes, i understand [08:59] it's not even reinstall OS, it takes a few seconds (maybe 30s on fast hardware) and won't remove any setting or data [08:59] but a lot articles tell this"conf/make/install modprobe fuse" [08:59] and that is all:) [08:59] ok i will reinstall [08:59] tmkd: what is the problem? [09:00] well, it's configure the kernel, make the kernel, install the modules, modprobe, same but in the kernel sources [09:00] after kernel update my wifi card dsiapeared [09:00] disappeared [09:00] it is wrong configuration fault? [09:01] probably [09:02] tmkd: and is this relationated with the FUSE? why? [09:03] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:05] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:05] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. 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[09:33] Camarade_Tux: hi, i did what you say [09:34] al things work [09:34] thanks a lot [09:34] usus12jari (1000@114.59.110.151) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:34] :-) [09:37] i have also problem with wifi [09:37] can you help me? [09:37] at old kernel works, at newest not [09:38] it should not be fould of configuration [09:41] dexen (~dexen@host-89-229-80-196.szczecin.mm.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:41] hello [09:41] herro moto [09:41] are there some builds of KDE 4.4? official or not? [09:43] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:43] yes, alienBOB has made some but you need -current [09:43] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.63.137) joined ##slackware. [09:44] sporting -current for several years now :3 [09:47] does alienBOB's repo work with slackpkg? [09:49] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.52) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:51] I don't think so, but you can grab the 4.4 packs with lftp or so [09:51] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:51] kk [09:51] thanks :) [09:52] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/kde-sc-4-4-2-for-slackware-including-policykit/ for packs (and the readme) :> [09:53] Only slackware official packages work with slackpkg [09:54] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-231.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:55] thanks alienBOB for your work!! [09:55] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.19.81) joined ##slackware. [09:55] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] indeed, thanks alienBOB~ [09:57] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-21-237.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:57] Billtoo_ (~bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016189.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [09:59] diven (~diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] dacek (~dacek@dynamic-78-8-11-208.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:02] ah yeah, one more question: [10:02] when there will be slackware for iPad? [10:02] i have trouble extracting rar archive [10:02] ive installed unrar ... then i did unrar -e rararchive.rar [10:03] but nothing happens [10:03] i think it goes [10:03] unrar x ARCHIVE.rar [10:03] note lack of dash [10:03] omg ! thanks !:D [10:03] it worked [10:04] surprise-surprise :P [10:05] i again thank alien for his work - how do I now keep my kde 4.4.x up to date? 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[10:45] find . -name "" [10:45] hello [10:46] find . -name "*" [10:46] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:47] hello [10:50] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [10:50] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:51] dacek (~dacek@dynamic-78-8-11-208.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:52] dacek (~dacek@dynamic-78-8-11-208.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:52] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:55] What's the command to view currently running processes in Slack 13? [10:55] same as in all the other ones [10:55] :D [10:55] ps ax [10:55] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:55] or top [10:56] Skywise: Mind shedding a little light on what the command is exactly :\? [10:56] -_- [10:56] my thoughts exactly [10:57] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:58] diven: Sorry, I didn't realize you answered. Thank you though. [10:58] Axius (~hi@92.82.91.25) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:00] euklides_ (~mobile@host-90-239-66-97.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:02] hughszg (~hugh@218.82.206.135) joined ##slackware. [11:02] np CelestialWurm [11:02] btw, Skywise did too [11:03] mates, I installed Google Earth via SBo in my Slackware-Current, my locale is zh_CN.UTF-8. The Google Earth launched but its UI are unreadable. [11:05] Skywise: As I said to Diven, thanks for the answer. I didn't realize the command was quite literally 'top'. [11:05] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:06] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-41.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:06] they do the same thing, top just constantly updates [11:06] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Quit: A spank a day keeps the shrink away [11:09] zhoun (~guo@218.82.96.134) left irc: Quit: ‚» [11:15] usus12jari (1000@114.56.33.206) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:15] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:20] silvergun (~mathieu@std93-12-88-175-160-59.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:25] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-133-18.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:27] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:27] Nick change: |CtrlAltCa| -> CtrlAltCa [11:28] ania_s (ania_s@fr.klupek.org) joined ##slackware. [11:39] hughszg (~hugh@218.82.206.135) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:39] oscillator (~oscillato@81.35.183.189) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:41] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:43] What are the most important security issues in a fresh Slackware install? I know the firewall allows everything, AFAIK the X server is open.. Any others? [11:43] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.26.235) joined ##slackware. [11:45] i'd call that more default behavior than security issues [11:47] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-231.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:52] does someone use nvidia driver ? [11:52] Ephedrax: i do [11:53] current version of slack ? [11:54] nope 13 [11:54] hum [11:54] with custom 2.6.33 kernel [11:54] I search for ppl using slack's current and nvidia. [11:54] righteous_ (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:54] Ephedrax: any problems with it ? [11:54] everytime I used slackpkg for current, I have to recompile my kernel [11:54] with this fucking nouveau.ko [11:55] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] I can't install the nvidia driver :/ [11:55] Today, I didn't solve the problem. [11:56] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.229) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Ephedrax: use the VESA or the closed nVidia driver then .. [11:56] vesa ? hum no way dude. [11:57] You don't have to recompile the kernel to eliminate nouveau, you just have to blacklist it. [11:57] I use the .run from the nvidia website. [11:57] blacklist adam ? Never do that :D [11:57] echo "blacklist nouveau" >> /etc/modprobe.conf/blacklist.conf ... to disable nouveau [11:58] hummm, it seems to be a good solution :) [11:58] last time, I'd just remove the .ko and it worked. [11:58] I'll try to blacklist it. [11:58] ... well, that's what I would do. Hm, I figured the problem with -current and nouveau should be fixed by now, another reason to use -stable imo [11:58] hehe [11:59] linXea, anything there to really fix? If you want to use a proprietary .ko, then you have to blacklist the detected module, no? [11:59] nvidia will collabore to use the nouveau.ko module in the future ? [12:00] nouveau is the reversed engineered nvidia driver, doubt nvidia will participate much [12:00] tsss =/ [12:01] Well, Im stuck with ATI/amd radeon.. that's a real pita [12:01] well, I'll try this solution [12:01] brb [12:01] good luck [12:01] Action: adamk is happy to use AMD HD cards. [12:01] (thx anyway ^^) [12:01] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-231.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:01] video is a pickle. i keep getting buffer corruptions with my i915 intel.. silly drm [12:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-231.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:03] adamk: well, there have been some improvments lately ... since the 9.10 catalyst driver it works good enough for me. [12:03] I mostly use the open source drivers, honestly. [12:04] I would if full-HD material worked good with it.. [12:04] Works great here. [12:04] On 13.0, by default, there is no 2D acceleration, though. You need to use a 2.6.31.* kernel (such as the one in /testing) to get 2D acceleration. [12:04] I get flickering in mplayer and VLC.. [12:05] linXea: you r not the only one with flickering :) [12:05] I use a recompiled 2.6.29 kernel... and with the catalyst 9.10 it works very well. [12:05] Graphics: Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3600 Series X.Org 1.6.3 Res: 1920x1200@60.0hz [12:05] GLX Renderer ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series GLX Version 2.1.9026 Direct Rendering Yes [12:06] nvidia problem fixed. Thanks a lot dudes, I note it for the blacklist manipulation ;) [12:07] good to hear :) [12:07] linXea: Yeah, I'm sure it works fine with catalyst. Just saying that 2D acceleration with the open source drivers requires a 2.6.31 (or maybe it's a 2.6.30) kernel. In any case, whatever works for you :-) [12:07] hm, I think the new ATI opensource driver is implemented in the .32 --> kernel [12:08] haven't had time to try it out yet... [12:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:11] how do I make X server available just for me? [12:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-231.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-231.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:15] limac (~chatzilla@ool-45745b2f.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Azeotrope: I'd say it would be somthing with Xauth... Ive only done the opposite in the past [12:17] does someone success in using creative pci express xfi xtreme audio ? :) [12:17] hitest (~George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:17] I'm crazy since I bought this f*****g kikoolol soundcard. [12:18] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:18] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:19] Ephedrax: if the drivers suck just as equal they sucked with vista you are in big touble :D [12:19] ahah :) [12:20] i had Elite Pro once [12:20] used vista [12:20] They suck a lot :) Maybe I don't try the good way ;) [12:20] and i just sold the card out :) [12:20] since then im never going creative again :) [12:21] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:21] Ephedrax: you better resell it on ebay imo :D [12:22] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-52-183.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:22] ahhhhhhhhhhhhh fucking ISP >.< [12:22] Back on Ubuntu my system's CPU show 50% of it's power. i.e. my CPU is dualcore 3GHz and on ubuntu i had 1.2 Ghz (when idle or less usage). Why I can't do that on Slack? [12:22] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427371.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [12:22] omg Azeotrope [12:23] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-231.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:23] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427371.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:23] what? [12:23] 50% ? [12:23] only in compilation I have this. [12:23] Azeotrope, cpufreq ? [12:24] No 50% usage. [12:24] not [12:24] Ephedrax_: I haz static IP :-) [12:24] Camarade_Tux: you're in france ? :°) [12:24] I am :) [12:24] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Ephedrax_: free.fr ;-) [12:24] orange.fr en campagne ^^ [12:24] damn loads of frenchies connecting :O [12:24] it reduced the shown power to reduce powert consumption. I don't know how is this called... Scalability? [12:24] :P [12:25] Ephedrax_: ok, unlikely you have many choices there (fdn!) [12:25] yeah I knot it Camarade_Tux ;) [12:25] the problem is that I am at 6.5km of the dslam [12:26] 700m here, and I think it's already too far away ;p [12:26] rohhh [12:26] admboom: i got it. is that wise to use? [12:26] dslam don't recognize my modem, and my modem don't find the dslam. As we said in poland: JA JA JA :) [12:26] ron1n (~ron1n@32.166.160.158) joined ##slackware. [12:26] cpu governors: ondemand or conservative here [12:28] hitest (~George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] spaces do not matter in fstab? [12:30] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-92-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:30] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-52-183.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:32] Can any of you recommend an unlocked AT&T banded 3g pcmcia card for use with slackware? [12:32] Azeotrope, ondemans is loaded at the bottom of /etc/rc.d/rc.modules by default [12:32] ondemand* [12:32] Azeotrope: man fstab | less -p 'tabs or spaces' #they are the same in fstab [12:32] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-19-187.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Celldweller_Abhi (a.is.penta@117.200.49.183) joined ##slackware. [12:33] jim_james (~swwww@212.183.140.2) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Ephedrax: hahaha :P [12:33] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Celldweller_Abhi (a.is.penta@117.200.49.183) left ##slackware. [12:33] Expertise Level 2 by Orange Camarade_Tux :) [12:33] On tuesday, I'll be fixed. [12:34] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [12:34] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [12:35] hi guys, wondering which video output module you use for vlc? [12:35] I use mplayer. [12:35] hey phrag, did you ever figure out that depmod error ? [12:36] trhodes: no i didnt, but the package rebuilt and installed fine, and depmod -a is clean, and the system seems perfect now [12:36] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] i have a theory tho.. [12:37] hmm, must not have been too serious a warning [12:37] limac (~chatzilla@ool-45745b2f.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:37] my kernel version is 2.6.33.2-jb, which depmod might have not escaped the -jb part, and took it as an argument [12:37] what was it? [12:38] -jb? [12:38] the custom appended version string [12:38] oh haha, silly parse error -- i would have guessed something simple like that [12:38] ok, no special meaning? [12:39] i think it was generated by the doinst.sh 'chroot . /sbin/depmod -ae @KERNEL@' [12:39] Camarade_Tux: are you tried xbmc ? [12:39] which would make sense =) [12:39] Camarade_Tux: my special initials? =p [12:39] (omg...did you*) [12:40] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:40] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:40] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-92-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:40] Ephedrax: no, I don't have the hardware ;-) [12:41] phrag: heh, I see [12:41] Seems to be very lite. I'm trying xbmc with the wiimote :))) [12:41] How does one create a custom application launcher on the desktop? (or "wiget") [12:45] mwnn (~user@59.92.206.241) joined ##slackware. [12:46] terry_, i'm pretty sure you just make a .desktop file in the desktop directory that meets the "desktop entry specification" standards [12:46] Ephedrax, its my main method for input on my media center. [12:46] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [12:46] And why won't /usr/bin/gxine http://viewers.multicastmedia.com/asx_files/EWTN_Channel55_English_DomesticEnglish_500k.asx work as a crontab entry? [12:46] wooo. good job ron1n :) [12:47] I've got some dep probs atm. [12:47] trhodes: I don't seem to know the "desktop entry specification" standards. [12:47] try to solve it. [12:47] terry_: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html [12:47] The fonts on my xfce desktop looked like they overlapped with each other. Fiddling with DPI settings using xfce's GUI tools did not help. But when i logged into KDE desktop and set the DPI to 96 the fonts problem was solved in xfce [12:47] I also tried DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/gxine http://viewers.multicastmedia.com/asx_files/EWTN_Channel55_English_DomesticEnglish_500k.asx and that doesn't work either. [12:48] can somebody tell me what file KDe modified? [12:48] terry_: you also need XAUTHORITY set [12:48] mwnn: rm ~.kde [12:48] I know, its an extremist solution :) [12:49] Ephedrax: it was KDE which solved the problem. I am back to icewm now. But just wanted to know which file KDE manipulated [12:49] hummm [12:50] trhodes: Set XAUTHORITY to ______________? [12:50] terry_: see what it is now ;) [12:50] terry_: usually /home/$YOUR_USER/.Xauthority [12:50] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:51] maybe $YOUR_USER=tjd [12:54] terry_, have you redirected any output from cron's gxine invocation? if not, output from those commands is supposed to get emailed to the crontab owner [12:57] hitest (~George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:59] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:02] How do I find out how it is redirected [13:03] ? [13:03] it would be if you put a ">" after the command in crontab [13:03] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [13:04] is it root's crontab ? [13:04] trhodes: Like /usr/bin/vlc http://viewers.multicastmedia.com/asx_files/EWTN_Channel55_English_DomesticEnglish_500k.asx [13:04] it's probably safest to run that as yourself [13:05] i tihnk all it needs are DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY set [13:05] trhodes: DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/vlc http://viewers.multicastmedia.com/asx_files/EWTN_Channel55_English_DomesticEnglish_500k.asx > /home/terry/.xathority [13:06] Like that ? [13:06] no :P [13:07] trhodes: /home/terry/.xathority ; /usr/bin/vlc http://viewers.multicastmedia.com/asx_files/EWTN_Channel55_English_DomesticEnglish_500k.asx > DISPLAY=:0.0 [13:07] DISPLAY=:0.0 XAUTHORITY=/home/terry/.Xauthority /usr/bin/vlc/ http://url/ [13:07] o [13:07] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [13:07] the redirection may not be needed [13:09] if you get it working and don't care for and stderr/out to be saved, just "2>&1 > /dev/null" at the end of all that to discard stdout/stderr [13:09] GOOOOOOD afternoon! how is everyone today? [13:09] s/for and/for any/ [13:10] doin OK, you ? [13:10] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Client Quit [13:10] mwnn (~user@59.92.206.241) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:10] alright [13:10] somehow i broke all my bots before bed [13:10] think i just figured it out [13:12] ron1n: are you here ? [13:14] Ephedrax, I'm around. How can I help ya? [13:14] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:14] chasmo77 (~chas@69.4.142.4) joined ##slackware. [13:15] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Quit: 42 [13:15] I search a package for xbmc [13:15] 'coz when I try to use the slackbuilds, I've got an error :/ [13:16] Razec (1000@189-92-12-144.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Did you build all required dependencies? [13:17] all required: libsamplerate, faad2, libmms and enca. [13:17] SBo worked just fine for me. [13:17] Finding cwiid was a bit of a hassle. Did you get that working? [13:17] after|math (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:18] not atm, I try to have xbmc package working :) and after that, I'll look for cwwid [13:18] cwiid* [13:18] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] ron1n: but... cwiid is on SBO too... [13:18] Ephedrax: Saying 'got an error' ... might be usefull to tell us via a pastebin what error. [13:19] Pprkut, source like is dead. [13:19] I'm on BP{k} I'm on. I just talk to ron to see If he's got one in his pocket :) [13:19] ron1n: oh, well, might be good to report that ;) [13:20] Yeah that would help. Also, what exactly did you pass to the build script? [13:20] BP{k}:: are you heavily connected in the slackbuild community? having a bizarre time getting wireshark to compile with sbopkg on an almost vanilla 13.0-release [13:20] Did in #slackbuilds pprkut [13:20] BP{k}:: is that something they'd want to know about? [13:21] righteous: well .. I wuld say .. look who created the wireshark.SlackBuild .. look at my whois and such ;) [13:21] righteous: "almost vanilla"? wireshark compiled fine here. [13:21] haha. [13:21] Action: righteous looks for a mouth to stick his foot in [13:21] righteous: ;) [13:22] ron1n: hmm, must've missed that :/ [13:22] Ephedrax, you don't want my package. Heavily customized for external libs. [13:22] a bit offtopic but... anyone here uses alternative router firmware like dd-wrt? [13:23] john_dee, yes [13:23] 'k ron. For information, seems to be libpng prob: http://pastebin.com/Yb3PjEgQ [13:23] trhodes: what router? [13:23] BP{k}:: im going to try it one more time; the first time, i had a hardware alarm going off and towards the end of the compile it was giving me 'read only filesystem' type errors that halted it, and the other two times the mobo speaker kept going off; i thought it was my graphics card overheating, so i pulled the card out, and i got the alarm all night last night. seems that machine does not want to be left on 24/7 [13:23] for some reason. [13:23] Pprkut the whole site is down. I had to build from sourceforge svn or git or whatever they use. [13:24] Nick change: rizitis -> r-tz_afk [13:24] righteous: that would thus be an hardware error .. *not* a wireshark build error. [13:24] some weird two-tone alarm coming out of the speaker imbedded in the mobo, not the case speaker, I pulled that thing out. [13:24] john_dee: linksys wrt54G iirc [13:25] Well, in that case, since you approved the slackbuild, I'll blame you, but I'll not report it. :D [13:25] righteous: ... I never approved the wireshark.SlackBuild afaik. [13:25] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:26] BP{k}:: this is so strange. This alarm *only* goes off when I'm compiling wireshark. [13:26] nothing in dmesg, either. [13:26] someone mentioned a mobo power issue... sounds applicable [13:26] Ephedrax hang on I'm taking a look at your paste [13:26] righteous: okay let me retract that statement .. The last time I approved wireshark was with our 12.0 repository. [13:26] Take your time, you seems to have another ppl to help :) [13:26] man i dont like the sound of that alarm [13:27] I'm on an android handset here. [13:27] trhodes:: im not so sure it is a power issue because the power supply is 400W, there's no cdrom and only one hard drive on that box. [13:27] trhodes: have you tried running torrent client there? [13:27] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:28] john_dee, no I ended up using an old laptop for that purpose [13:28] Action: righteous has a feeling one of his machines is about to catch fire or something [13:29] trhodes: i see. was wondering if it can handle a dozen of torrents and still perform usual tasks without choking other clients [13:29] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) joined ##slackware. [13:29] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) left irc: Changing host [13:29] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [13:29] with it's cell phone processor %) [13:29] john_dee: i'm not sure on that, and besides, how are you gonna attach external storage ? [13:30] is there a cpu and fan speed software in the sbo repo? [13:30] cpu temp* [13:30] trhodes: usb. i know i shouldn't expect miracles with interface speed. i've read that the most i can squeeze out of usb2.0 in my model is ~2megs but still [13:31] i'm not sure if its MIPS is enough power to do torrents either :/ [13:31] i never messed with it further, but it would be cool if that was doable [13:32] i ran a vpn on it, and wanted to run asterisk on it [13:33] Ephedrax, well, do you have libpng? ls /var/log/packages | grep libpng [13:34] trhodes: well, it is. but with it's performance there might be problems with usual things like browsing etc. but there are a lot of manuals on how to get torrents, fileserver and even simple web server there. people even say it works. the question is how fast :) [13:34] righteous: acpi || acpitool should display cpu temps [13:34] I install the sources yesterday...but no, it seems not ron1n oO [13:34] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.19.81) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:34] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [13:35] BP{k}:: odd. when i halted the wireshark build process the alarm stopped. [13:35] i have never seen nor heard of such a thing. [13:36] You may have it and the slackbuild is looking elsewhere for it. Maybe someone else can take it from here. [13:36] I don't see it in slackbuilds website :/ [13:36] righteous: Seems to me, it's still a hardware problem or a problem with your rig, rather than a general wireshark problem. [13:36] most likely [13:36] i still cant think of any cause of that either way [13:36] Wait, let me check /l/ it sounds like something slackware should ship with. [13:37] does wireshark default to building with -j7 or something? maybe that's what's causing it to overheat [13:37] i mean when im compiling i should be using just as much cpu resource as all the internet services im running [13:37] hm, nope [13:37] Urchlay: no. just standard "make" {$MAKEFLAGS ftw ;)} [13:37] righteous: services only use lots of CPU when they're actually serving something [13:38] i didnt realize compiling was so cpu intensive [13:38] can i manually wipe out firefox cache located at /home/iavor/.mozilla/firefox/0eu25tj3.default/Cache [13:39] http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/l/libpng-1.2.37-i486-1.txz ron1n [13:39] compiling = almost 100% processing (the rest is I/O, reading sources from disk, writing objects back to disk after they're compiled) [13:39] Yupp just confirmed it myself [13:39] =)) [13:39] I'll try this. [13:39] alays forget to search there... [13:40] sry for this dude <3 [13:40] Let me check the xbmc buildscript and get a clue as to where it's looking. [13:40] after|math (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:40] All good [13:40] Nick change: sirslacker -> sirslacker|brb [13:40] BP{k}: was I talking to you yesterday about texinfo2man? [13:41] wow yeah, acpitool in 'watch' is showing a thermal zone of 55 C and rising while compiling [13:41] ahah main in -lSDL_image... no [13:41] well ron1n thx a lot, I'll fix it after I eat something :) [13:41] 60C [13:42] Alrighty [13:42] (im using `watch -n 1 acpitool -t` [13:42] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] good afternoon everyone [13:43] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0F477.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] BP{k}:: amd athlon 2200 running at 61C during a compile, is that alright? [13:44] whoever it was... looks like texinfo2man (part of the indent package) is only useful for converting indent's documentation to a man page (it doesn't work for general purpose conversions). It really shouldn't be included in the indent package [13:44] righteous, what are you compiling? [13:44] mfillpot:: wireshark [13:44] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:45] also, same package, creates both /usr/doc/indent-2.2.10 and /usr/doc/indent (minor error in packaging, probably been that way for years) [13:45] ah, tripped the alarm. its my cpu temp. 63C is the threshold. [13:45] NyteOwl (~sysop@hlfx56-1-89.ns.sympatico.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:45] righteous, the temp is a little higher than I would expect but it is still below the max [13:45] righteous, laptop or desktop? [13:45] mfillpot:: desktop [13:45] righteous, what is your standard operating temp? [13:46] mfillpot:: about 55 [13:46] I don' even know if it's worth reporting in here, just send mail straight to pv? (or is he too busy to deal with piddling stuff like that right now?) [13:46] righteous, then the increase is within the normal increase, but you have a cooling issue [13:46] mfillpot:: ive never had any issues with cputemp so this is out of my area [13:46] ron1n (~ron1n@32.166.160.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:47] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:47] mfillpot:: i just put that cpu in there with pretty high quality thermal compound [13:47] righteous, I has a 2200 that never got over 45C and my X2 4600 normally set at ~38C [13:47] mfillpot:: cpufan speed issue maybe? [13:47] righteous: vents full of dust? (do you smoke cigs while using the computer? could be tar/nicotine gunking it up) [13:47] righteous, you may have also put too much or too little compound in when you mounted the heatsink [13:48] mfillpot:: too much if anything [13:48] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:48] righteous, I have done both and if you won't put the right amount then the thermal conductivity drops [13:49] righteous, did you use AS5? [13:49] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0F477.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Client Exiting [13:49] mfillpot:: i dont know what AS5 is [13:50] righteous: my laptop to gets between 57-65 when compiling. Should not overly be a problem [13:50] arctic silver 5 [13:50] ity's a thermal transfer compound [13:50] Antec Formula 5 Silver Thermal Compound [13:50] Antec's? thought it was Artic SIlver's product. mea culpa [13:50] thats what im using ^ [13:51] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] acpitool doesn't seem to have any stats about fan speed [13:51] after|math (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:52] sh*t, 64C [13:52] laptops usually run hotter than desktop because of lack of ventilation, but 61-64 is way too high. [13:53] righteous, I recommend stopping the compile, and cleaning out your tower, if necessary remount the cpu and try to compile again after the temps level out [13:53] echo level 7 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan [13:53] oops ignore that [13:54] no, i will not ignore insults [13:54] :P [13:54] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:54] you only need a small bead of the compound between the cpu and heatsink, the pressure from mounting the heatsink will spread it for you [13:55] sirslacker|brb (~sirslacke@p579B57CB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:55] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B57CB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] are there any known issues with wicd not finding ssids with special characters? [13:56] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:58] did we just loose righteous to a fried cpu? [13:58] _mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [13:58] who uses heat sink compound anyway [13:58] eddie_grey (~eddie@200-101-246-166.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:59] that stuff is for chumps, unless it's made from diamonds. [13:59] Axius (~hi@92.85.208.5) joined ##slackware. [13:59] diamonds are thermally conductive, afaik [13:59] I use chocolate myself [13:59] mfillpot:: no im trying to find out how to raise my fanspeed to max rpm but am not having any luck [14:00] macius (~macius@i209-195-81-9.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:00] wow, diamond is a better thermal conductor than copper or silver [14:01] (this system is pristinely clean, there's no dust in there) [14:01] eddie_grey (~eddie@200-101-246-166.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:01] righteous, then I would think you put too much compound in it [14:01] eddie_grey (~eddie@200-101-246-166.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:02] I did some overclocking in the past ans was a mod on an OC forum, so I have seen a lot of colling mistakes [14:02] my laptop dropped 4 degrees celsius with new compound :) [14:03] eviljames: you don't use thermal compound made from the tears of orphan babies? [14:03] eddie_grey (~eddie@200-101-246-166.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:04] eddie_grey (~eddie@200-101-246-166.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:04] an excellent thermal transfer substance is Beryllium Oxide but it's quite toxic [14:04] hey guys, having some trouble setting the time in kde 4.4.2.. think it has something to do with policykit.. after entering the root pass it says it can't contact pool.ntp.org, even tho i can ping it fine or set with ntpdate.. any idea's? [14:05] Urchlay: man that's so lsat year .. you should try the newstuff, ground unicorns and kittens mixed with babies ;) [14:05] righteous, how long ago did you mount this cpu? [14:05] beryllium taste sweet though [14:05] hrm, nothing in /proc/acpi that indicates fanspeed [14:05] mfillpot:: a couple of weeks ago, and last night was the first time an issue started after about 7 days of downtime [14:05] BP{k}: it's hard to keep pace with the ever-growing field of evil... [14:06] Urchlay: Aye, I agree. But at times well worth it. ;) [14:06] jim_james (~swwww@212.183.140.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:06] rizitis_ (~rizitis@79.107.133.13) joined ##slackware. [14:06] righteous, you are still in the settling period so it will cool a little more in the next few weeks, but I do think you put too much compound in [14:06] ok, I did `echo 1 > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/cooling_mode` and the temperature is cooling now, maybe it was set to passive cooling by default? [14:06] wait, you're not supposed to down you're mobo in the stuff? ;) [14:07] righteous, how large was the compound bead before you applied the heatsink? [14:07] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] righteous, how much has it cooled? [14:08] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:08] r-tz_afk (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:09] mfillpot:: i flattened the bead out with a card to cover the inner square about as thin as paper, and since i switched to active cooling the alarm has started turning off periodically and the temp has changed from 64C and rising to variating between 61C-64C [14:09] Action: NyteOwl CPU currently at 36C [14:09] righteous, there is your issue, you flattened out the compound, that creates bubbles [14:10] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:10] mfillpot:: so i've probably got hotspots [14:11] hm. Today might be a good day to pull apart my old laptop and clean the vents [14:11] righteous, yes... and what kind of heatsink are you using? [14:12] it crashes from overheating after about 10-15 minutes of running any openGL app (but survives long compiles and such just fine, I suppose it's just the video chip) [14:12] righteous, most instructions say to put the bead in the middle then apply the headsink, the pressure from mounting the hs will evenly spread the compound without bubbles [14:12] it didn't used to have that problem (it's like 9 years old) [14:13] mfillpot:: i have no idea, i mix and matched heatsinks from old junk machines. i wouldn't even know how to tell. [14:13] ron1n (~ron1n@32.166.160.158) joined ##slackware. [14:14] righteous, how big is it? what material is is made from? does it have the tubes in it? does it have a fan? [14:14] mfillpot:: i do know that it was a heatsink that came stock with an almost identical cpu, also athlon xp, probably 2000 or 2200 [14:14] righteous, ok, so it is a stock hs... that give pretty good cooling [14:15] mfillpot:: fan is a yes but i cant seem to get fanspeed info from /proc/acpi, there's no tubes, it's just rows of spikes with a mounted fan. [14:15] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:15] oh nice, the active cooling has reduced me to about 43C [14:15] and dropping [14:15] hm. It defaulted to passive cooling? [14:16] it would seem so [14:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-238-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] chb (~1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [14:16] righteous, that is good but you still need to fix the compound [14:16] 41C and stabilizing [14:17] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:17] mfillpot:: i will [14:18] the machine is useless if i cant compile bigger apps without it freaking out [14:18] Nick change: rizitis_ -> rizitis_afk [14:18] yeah, the heatsink is 'cold' now [14:18] how the heck can you query /proc/acpi/whatever to find out the current cooling state? "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/cooling_mode" gives me "0 - Active; 1 - Passive" [14:19] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:19] "state" in the same directory just says "state: ok", I suppose because I'm not actually overheating [14:19] Urchlay:: i couldn't get a printout of the current state with that but when i echo'd a '1' to it the temperature dropped and the cpufan seemed to spin faster. [14:20] ok now for my question again, does anyone know of any known issues with wicd not seeing networks with odd ssid names? [14:20] also my acpitool -t printout showed an active state after that [14:20] hrr, acpitool = a sb.o packages? [14:20] yessah [14:20] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:23] trip_points lists this: passive: 80 C: tc1=2 tc2=3 tsp=40 devices=CPU0 [14:23] vldmr (100@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [14:23] what does that mean in english? switch (to? from?) passive mode if the temperature is (less? greater than?) 80? [14:24] Urchlay:: after you echo 1 to the cooling state proc file that passive field will show as active [14:24] eh, it doesn't [14:24] hrm, must have been my imagination. [14:25] http://dpaste.com/179370/ [14:25] actually, wait, yes, you're absolutely right. [14:25] eh, that's a bum paste [14:25] http://dpaste.com/179372/ [14:26] hrm [14:26] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:26] this is a for a laptop that's sitting in an un-airconditioned room, CPU temp is 58C while it's idle [14:26] yeah im not familiar enough with it, i was just freaking out and hitting buttons. Homer Simpson moment. [14:27] when I first got it (8+ years ago), it idled around 39C. I suppose the vents are plugged... [14:27] I get lucky like that. Alot. [14:27] ron1n (~ron1n@32.166.160.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:28] one more thing to add to the list... the screen's backlight is dying, the hard drive reports "failed" via SMART (though I have yet to have actual errors), the space bar is broken & only held on by one clip [14:29] the original battery died, the replacement got lost [14:29] lol [14:29] Urchlay, BFH time [14:29] seems our boxen are kindred spirits [14:29] well you know how you form your impressions of how the world's supposed to work, when you're really young? [14:29] eddie_grey (~eddie@200-101-246-166.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [14:30] not really, i was born knowing everything. [14:30] the family TV, the refrigerator, dad's car, all that stuff lasted forever (the old TV is a 1976 model, it *still* works, though it's been replaced with a bigger screen) [14:30] ooh, this dpaste is probably the nicest pastebin variant i've ever seen. [14:30] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] if I spent a chunk of money on brand-shiny-new hardware, I unconsciously expect it to last 20+ years [14:31] yeah [14:31] ron1n (~ron1n@32.166.160.158) joined ##slackware. [14:31] I expect my hardware to last as long as voyager [14:31] than a year later when planned obsolecence and intentionally designed hardware failure kicks in [14:31] try wgetpaste from SBo (CLI tool to create pastes for you, defaults to using dpaste) [14:31] _mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:31] you're back at walmart stimulating the economy [14:31] buying a new sega pad. [14:31] Urchlay: my mother just repalced her Mixmaster. The old one was the oen she bought when she got married over 50 years ago :) [14:32] actually, the sega controllers seem pretty solidly built (I never had one fail) :) [14:32] and the new one is a piece of shit? haha [14:32] ron1n (~ron1n@32.166.160.158) left irc: Client Quit [14:32] echtts (~echtts@201-95-187-240.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:32] only reason she repalced it was it quit. I took a look before I threw it out and fixed the internal switch. Now she has a spare :) [14:32] eh, the controllers for the sega genesis, I mean [14:32] i ate through those things, especially for the genesis. sonic the hedgehog was starving, exhausted, and skinny when i was done with him. [14:33] i think he reported me to PETA [14:33] I think sonic's got a substance abuse problem anyway. Acts like he's on meth or something... [14:33] _mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [14:34] I've still got Atari 2600 consoles, carts, and joysticks made 30 years ago that work perfectly [14:34] then when i was about 13, my father yanked the plug and stuck a book in my face in response to the protests and the picketing outside the apartment. it was a major big deal. [14:35] ugh. Before I clean the laptop vents, probably should clean the A/C filter [14:35] I found myself blacklisted. Knuckles and Tails stopped answering my calls and letters. Sonic would frequently hide inside walls and tunnels. It was time to move on. [14:35] (the room's A/C I mean, it's kinda warm in here) [14:36] well time to go to gf house then off to her dad's for dinner [14:37] you guys going to have the beef strokenoff? [14:38] god i miss real food. [14:38] what, soylent green's not good enough for you? [14:39] i've been living off of bulk chicken quarters, rice, and beans for almost 3 months. i got laid off and the job market is desperate up here. with all the factories shutting down the temp agencies are giving the factory workers priority to get things moving again, so im on the bottom of all the lists and considerations for employment. I'm joining the f'n Army. [14:40] heh, if they're even hiring... [14:40] Not that I wasn't enlisting anyway. It just sped up my desire to complete the process. [14:40] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:43] they'll probably seve chicken rice and beans for supper :) [14:43] heh [14:44] well the original plan was the air force, but after two years of begging for special consideration of about 8k in delinquint hospital bills and student loans, i walked across the hall and found acceptance in exchance for disabling ied's. which, frankly, scares the living shit out of me. [14:45] id rather do combat engineer than infantry though. [14:46] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] that's because you don't know what an engineer can do with a spoon -_- [14:46] seems like infantry deaths are caused mostly by stupid horseplay and dumb accidents; the combat engineers are blown up by enemy prowess. [14:46] alienBOB: you around? [14:46] ah, misunderstood ;-) [14:47] enemy prowess in the middle east: someone read the same manual on the internet for making an IED and made it exactly the same as all the others. That's my impression right now anyway, I'll see how that changes if I end up doing that. [14:47] anyone know if i can remove the policykit stuff from kde 4.4.2 and have it funcioning like normal kde without the access restrictions? [14:47] probably not [14:48] phrag:: eek. no idea, have you tried #kde? [14:48] i shall [14:48] =P [14:49] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:49] Noble (~stefan@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] phrag:: my best severely uneducated guess would be that it would be better to just reconfigure the policies to totally open than to try to remove them and expect normalcy. [14:50] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-19-187.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:51] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-238-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:51] it's a recent unwanted addition to kde 4.4 [14:51] i hate kde anyway [14:52] phrag did you try removing polkit? [14:52] why its the default DE with slackware is totally beyond me [14:52] oh i do like kde, just not this recent policykit stuff [14:52] It may be unwanted, but it is unavoidable [14:52] KDE is broken without it [14:53] alienBOB: not yet, i wanted to ask if it was safe to [14:53] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:53] alienBOB: otu the box, it won't let me configure my time/date... even with some tweaking of the 'local policies', seems buggy [14:53] All that can happen is that some things won't work (just like before I built polkit) [14:53] Why is polkit unwanted for you? [14:53] phrag how do you start X? [14:54] just because it's stopping me setting the system time in kde =P [14:54] sounds sort of like polkit already isn't doing its job [14:54] i don't mind it being there if configured open and not restricting my normal useage [14:54] alienBOB: init 4, kdm [14:54] phrag setting the time in KDE 4.4 was _never_ possible without polkit [14:54] It works here without any issues [14:55] phrag all versions of KDE 4.4 I built before, had non-functional time setting dialog [14:55] alienBOB: ah, then i guess i've not set it recently... i flattened the box and reinstalled/reimaged with full disk encryption.. but install from a -current disk i made, including kde 3.4.2 and multilib [14:55] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:55] phrag now I am confused [14:55] Are you or are you not using KDE 4.4.2 with polkit [14:56] Camarade_Tux loves encryption, so he can hide his adult homosexual fantasy books :) [14:56] jeev: that is uncalled for [14:56] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-19-187.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:56] :/ [14:56] he'll admit it though [14:56] well encryption does make it a lot harder for someone to locally root your box =P [14:57] well, I was about to send an answer for that but... no [14:57] Feel free [14:57] Action: righteous reflects on never having experienced anything like that in enlightenment, xfce, *box, twm, tty, ion, or anything else, ever. [14:57] Action: righteous looks at gnome sympathetically [14:57] alienBOB: i am using kde 4.4.2 with polkit [14:57] too late and, well, I'm leaving now [14:58] phrag: and ck-launch-session is really being run ? [14:58] :/ [14:58] Camarade_Tux, you disappoint me! [14:58] what's the performance decrease anywa [14:58] anyway [14:59] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:59] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:59] jeev: oh, I thought you didn't want people in here to know you appeared on my "special" videos, but if you don't mind... [15:00] i wasn't talking about video's, those were doctored [15:00] as executive producer of those videos i can independently confirm they were not doctored. [15:00] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:00] ah, right, as I said, I was about to leave ;-) [15:00] eviljames, you just violated the contract [15:00] phrag you are the first where setting the time does not work... which makes me believe it is something with your box that is not right. Did you install/upgrade everything in the deps directory? What does "ck-list-sessions" show in Konsole? [15:01] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn33.95-103-169.t-com.sk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:01] Axius (~hi@92.85.208.5) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:04] Noble (~stefan@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:04] qneo (~knao@bband-dyn161.178-40-29.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [15:05] alienBOB: in replaced your kde 4.4.2 with the slackware/kde on a fresh install (previous ~/.kde from 4.4.1).. i installed the kde deps after... should i reinstall the kde 4.4.2 packages you think? [15:06] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/2CfJtH67.html [15:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] davi` (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Well consolekit is working at least. Did you removepkg all KDE packages from current and installed mine? Did you "upgradepkg --install-new" in the deps directory? Did you removepkg kdelibs-experimental? [15:09] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:09] alienBOB: i installed kde fresh with your packages, no kde packages from -current except ktorrent [15:10] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:10] i'll reinstall kde and deps and try again, thanks for help [15:10] back soon =) [15:10] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: fixin [15:11] Nick change: rizitis_afk -> rizitis [15:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:12] rizitis (~rizitis@79.107.133.13) left irc: Changing host [15:12] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [15:12] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. 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[15:20] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-41.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:25] is there a wrapper for tshark that does superior packet interpretation for more readability during monitoring? [15:27] wireshark? [15:29] im in a no-X environment [15:30] so? pipe it to a x-environment [15:30] oscillator (~oscillato@81.35.183.189) joined ##slackware. [15:30] im building a console monitor. [15:32] i have a server that will serve as a dedicated network monitor, that will only have a VGA monitor and a keyboard attached to it, who's only purpose is to show what's going on in the network. looking for a readable play-by-play account of network activity by ip, protocol, and data. dont need the hex anything like that. [15:33] tshark is spitting out the packets but its not interpreting much more than the translation of the hex in the packets to ascii [15:34] i was hoping for something that wouldn't take a small college course to show to someone else. [15:34] nettop [15:34] i thought that just monitored bandwidth? [15:36] um, just checked and I don't have it installed anymore [15:36] iptraf [15:36] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-68-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [15:37] yes, that's a good one [15:37] oscillator (~oscillato@81.35.183.189) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:38] i need the ip address of incoming and outgoing traffic, the translated and interpreted content of the packets, and the protocol being used, the ports involved. thats all. [15:39] rizabot (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Hey folks, I would like to convert chm files to pdf or extract chm and turn all images into pdf, how can I do that? [15:39] righteous: tcpdump or tshark ? [15:40] rizabot:: http://code.google.com/p/chm2pdf/wiki/HowToUse [15:40] chasmo77:: i specifically asked for a wrapper for tshark, so yes that would make sense ;) [15:40] Action: rizabot bows to righteous. [15:40] Thank you. 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[16:23] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [16:23] I'm desperately needing a way to create this exact format: "[Protocol] Orig-IP -> Dest-IP:Port \n ". Can someone please please help. Will worship for assistance. [16:24] Action: righteous looks guiltily at alienBOB [16:27] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [16:27] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:29] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [16:29] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [16:30] hi all [16:31] who knows, can i use rsync to transfer files from a ext3 partition to vfat? [16:31] not a slackware question, i know ) [16:31] but i do backup of my slackware system [16:31] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] vdv: why not just try it? of course you can [16:32] and i have external drive with vfat [16:32] it'll complain that it can't set file perms && ownerships but it'll copy the data [16:32] what about permissions [16:32] ahh [16:32] vdv, your permissions/acl's will not be preserved and makes sure your files do not exceed vfats file size limits [16:32] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.63.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:33] i.e. i couldn't likely restore from that backup easily [16:34] such backup will work for documents, video and etc. [16:34] but not for restoring whole installation [16:34] right? [16:34] i have to use tar then [16:35] yes that'd be a good choice [16:35] but with tar i have other problem, doing such backup takes a lot of time, even with incremental [16:36] get another disc and put a linux filesystem on it. [16:36] can i easily partition my existing external drive if it have already data? [16:37] can cfdisk do that? [16:37] think no ( [16:37] chb (~1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Quit: inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris [16:37] Hm. you could resize it -- parted might elp [16:37] help [16:37] but I'd use partition magic if you were going to do it, and backup the existing data first [16:38] aha, parted then [16:38] ok, i probe it [16:38] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:39] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] hey im wanted to resize a partition on my comp its ntfs already resized the fs just need to resize the device now :S, would deleteing and recreating the partition with fdisk or cfdisk do the trick? :S i would assume deleting a partition with wipe everything so confused [16:39] is parted actually a replacement for cfdisk in means of functionality? [16:40] Action: MoZes doesn't know [16:40] Action: MoZes uses fdisk [16:41] macius: you'd need to resize the partition - don't delete it [16:41] Action: MoZes would still recommend partition magic [16:41] you can find it on various boot CDs and stuff [16:41] MoZes: i dont see a resize feature with cfdisk or fdisk :S [16:41] there is none, that's what partitiong magic is for [16:41] macius: doesn't parted have one? [16:41] *partition [16:41] and parted wouldnt work for me [16:42] using a macbook and have my mbr partition table synced to a guid [16:42] and parted only recognizes the guid [16:42] yes parted will let you resize aprtitions. Part of resizing depends on the filesystem. [16:43] so, can cfdisk resize a vfat partition? [16:43] so i stuck unless i can do sumtin with fdisk or cfdisk :\ [16:48] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.225.94.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:52] qneo (knao@bband-dyn161.178-40-29.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [16:54] macius (~macius@i209-195-81-9.cia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:56] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:57] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:59] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[17:19] what happens if i partition my external drive which is whole vfat? i want to resize it and add ext partition to it, would it be possible to mount two partitions on drive separately? what will happen when i connect the drive? now it just mounts automatically with vfat [17:19] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] vdv: it should see that you have two partitions. [17:20] hrm [17:20] interesting, will vfat partition be mounted automatically when i insert the disk? [17:20] how will udev select partition? [17:22] why wouldn't udev present them all to you? [17:22] i've never saw such situation [17:24] TClayton (~tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) joined ##slackware. [17:26] hehe, gparted doesn't let me to resize [17:26] resize is disabled in menu [17:27] unless you're looking to lose data, you want to be careful about how you resize. [17:28] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.225.94.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:31] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:34] macius (~macius@i209-195-81-9.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] echtts (~echtts@201-42-86-61.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:36] echtts (~echtts@201-95-191-221.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:45] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:47] usus12jari (1000@114.59.34.228) joined ##slackware. [17:48] silvergun (~mathieu@std93-12-88-175-160-59.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:48] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [17:49] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-92-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [17:51] does anyone have inkscape 0.47 and run xfce? [17:55] mancha, be more specific [17:55] Naraku (supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Naraku (supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:55] does any 2-legged hominid currently reading this message execute code packaged under the name inkscape of revision version 0.47 within a desktop environment known as xfce? [17:56] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [17:57] mancha, :| [17:57] i do use inkscape, but what with xfce? [17:57] don't worry about it, i doubt you can help me. [17:58] your confidence amuse me [17:58] you don't meet my 2 confitions (xfce+inkscape). these weren't chosen randomly! :) [17:59] but say anyways [17:59] not a lack of confidence in you as an individual, you just ond' tmeet my environment criteria [17:59] pff, environmentalist [17:59] ;) [18:01] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [18:01] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [18:01] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-92-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:01] mancha, perhaps just saying the problem will make the other people here to help [18:02] havnt we a link teaching people about how to make questions? [18:02] http://sweet.nodns4.us/ ? [18:03] so, how bout them pistons? [18:03] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:04] guax, normally i guess i would, but i am pressed for time right now and only want to engage people who can reasonably be expected to have an idea on my Q. i can't afford to do the whole 10 minute back and forth for the ultimate "dunno, sorry. i run kde" [18:04] knowdamean? [18:04] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [18:04] ergo, my meta-question. [18:05] you lost more time justifying yourself then you would loose with that. but anyways, i dont care. lets have a coffe [18:05] guax, i'll bet $100 you do not have the answer to my Q. [18:05] if we put money on this i'm willing to waste time [18:05] macius (~macius@i209-195-81-9.cia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:06] echtts_ (~echtts@201-95-187-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:06] mancha, that could be pretty much true that i dont know, but we can never know without 100 bucks, right? [18:06] that's right, the ante is $100 :> [18:08] any tcpdump wizards in here? [18:08] it's weird how many poker words entered the lexicon [18:09] echtts (~echtts@201-95-191-221.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:11] i use tcpdump every day. can't say i'm a wizard [18:12] you're quit regular with your tcpdumps [18:12] *quite [18:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:13] I work at a college campus, have a large network [18:13] necropresto (~necropres@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [18:14] College food does tend to contribute to regularity. [18:14] heh [18:15] and activia! [18:15] apples [18:15] chasmo77:: `tcpdump -i eth0 -s0 -vvA 'tcpdump[13] & 8 != 0'` is currently what im working with to get a string i can awk for the following output: "[protocol] Orig-IP -> Dest-IP:Dest-Port \n\t ascii-data \n\n"; If you know a more appropriate way to get that output, i am allllllllll ears. [18:16] Well, those are certainly better sources of regularity than college food. The end result of that definitely fits the definition, though not perhaps the spirit. [18:16] oops thats `tcpdump -i eth0 -s0 -vvA 'tcp[13] & 8 != 0'` [18:17] jkwood, college food is very regular, every time you eat. something bad happens [18:17] Action: righteous starts smacking his face off his keyboard [18:18] Huligan (~huligan@80.179.18.46.static.012.net.il) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Huligan (huligan@80.179.18.46.static.012.net.il) left ##slackware. [18:18] youu could possibly benefit from -l to buffer lines [18:18] say what? [18:19] the -l flag makes tcpdump output a line every packet, rather than buffer them up [18:20] hrm that makes more legible output and looks more like something that can be stripped and reprocessed by a perl script [18:20] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:20] some like awk, some Perl. I'm more of an awk'er [18:21] i've never used it [18:21] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [18:21] It's trivial to learn, esp if you know Perl [18:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:22] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-92-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:23] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-92-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:23] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:23] i dont know perl, but i know how to learn perl lol [18:23] chasmo77, even brainfuck is easier if you know perl imho [18:23] lol [18:24] about once a year i learn enough to accomplish a task and then forget it again. [18:24] heh [18:24] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.77.112) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:24] I look at perl and a part of me wants to just start crying [18:24] necropresto (necropres@unaffiliated/necropresto) left ##slackware. [18:24] perl is the stream chainsaw [18:25] perl seems simpler than just about any scripting language ive ever been exposed to [18:25] it can look alot like line noise compared to awk [18:25] oh hey, what's the difference between putting a shebang with the perl location in the first part of a script and doing ./script.pl versus doing perl script.pl [18:25] you just have to get into the perl mindset [18:25] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:25] a perl mindset is dangerous [18:25] my most elegant and condensed code in perl looks like gibberish after a while [18:25] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:26] raela:: it just makes sure your environment is the one you think it is. always do the shebang. also, i use source instead of ./ for alot of my scripts so i can play with environment variables afterwards like if its a collection of scripts. [18:26] wow i have no idea what i just said. [18:26] thats ok righteous, i didnt read it [18:26] perl can have that effect [18:27] righteous: with the one script I was given, ./script.pl complains of syntax error whereas perl script.pl goes fine. the person who created it said an issue might be due to system calls that were designed for windows [18:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.196.147) joined ##slackware. [18:28] you could have 2 versions installed [18:28] oh raela with `perl script.pl`it's implicit that its a perl script; if you ./any.executabe.file it could be any language. [18:28] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_afk [18:28] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.41.151) joined ##slackware. [18:28] righteous: even with the shebang? [18:28] yeah thats for bash [18:28] raela:: generally not but its important to have standards [18:28] it means this file is a script [18:29] hrm. oh well. I probably will read through the script at some point and try to figure out where the issue is [18:29] its not a magic number even tho it is a magic number in this instance [18:29] raela:: i have now taught you everything i know about perl. Go forth, Grasshopper: Travel westward....travel westward... [18:30] and what that means is the byte codes in shebang are the byte codes for a script, you can't implement other magic numbers with ascii text in a file [18:31] Action: righteous then falls down on his back and exhales while whispering 'rosebud' and crossing his arms on his chest [18:31] Yikes I've gotta get out of the house [18:32] righteous: I dunno, I think my intro already prepared me.. 'here's 20 lines of code you can read.. here's the same result in 5.' [18:32] Action: jeev is installing slack13 64 on a x3460 supermicro [18:32] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:32] jeev: send me one :) [18:35] i only have 10 [18:36] Adalbert (~Adalbert@host92-118-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:36] eddie_grey (~eddie@201-3-214-208.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:38] vldmr (100@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:38] would you guys raid1 swap? [18:38] linux raid1.. [18:38] no [18:38] raid 0 [18:39] macius (~macius@i209-195-81-9.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] swap isn't worth preserving [18:39] ok coolio [18:40] macius (~macius@i209-195-81-9.cia.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:40] jeev: I have my systemn set up RAID 1 [18:40] i have quite a few raid1's [18:40] adv_ (~sfv@ip-62-143-210-233.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [18:40] and i've swapped them but yea [18:40] anyone know if there's a way to boost my laptop speaker's volume beyond what the 100/100 of alsamixer?kinda like vlc does.. [18:40] raid0 should be 31337 enough [18:40] happy easter [18:40] macius (~macius@i209-195-81-9.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:42] macius (~macius@i209-195-81-9.cia.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:44] is easter really supposed to be a happy occaision? [18:44] bunnies !! [18:44] if you believe in the resurrection of Christ [18:44] i guess so then [18:44] bah i'll raid1 [18:44] ? [18:45] jeev, why's that? [18:45] i wonder what "jesus christ" is doing right now, not heysus christian [18:45] Skywise, dont wanna risk it. i wanna make it at least some sort of production [18:45] mrselfpwn, we cant talk about zombies here [18:45] i'll set up two swaps [18:45] guax: you are the only one who said zombie [18:45] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-190-252.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:46] hi everyone [18:46] guax (guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left ##slackware ("Bye"). [18:46] eddie_grey (~eddie@201-3-214-208.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [18:47] i don't think its very risky using raid 0 for swap, no more risky then using a single partition [18:48] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:48] actually, isn't it twice as risky ? (two pof's ?) [18:48] not that I wouldn't use 0 myself [18:49] nah, its still a single bad sector [18:49] hmm ok [18:49] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:49] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.26.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:49] grr this stupid supermicro is pissing me off [18:50] you could think of raid 0 as lvm with the disks interleaved instead of being sequential [18:50] ohhhhhhh, i should build this with LVM too eh [18:50] i like lvm myself [18:50] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [18:50] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:50] Z3d (1000@cable-188-2-70-48.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [18:50] hrm, i need to use a windows xp box to edit scripts hosted on a slack box. is the BEST way to do this with samba on the slack box and geany on the xp box through some mounted network directory? [18:51] darkl0rd (~489e2ec8@gateway/web/freenode/x-tagwnlxdkaytviyj) joined ##slackware. [18:51] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.23.101) joined ##slackware. [18:51] Z3d (1000@cable-188-2-70-48.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:51] righteous, is NOT the best way [18:52] i don't know how the overhead of lvm compares with raid0 but i think raid0 would use the drives more evenly [18:52] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-41.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:52] skew (~skew@host217-115-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:52] i'm gonna raid1 then lvm it (/) [18:52] lol [18:52] powtrix:: please elaborate with cluedom [18:52] Z3d (~user@proxy.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [18:52] lvm doc writers like to make clear that lvm is a organizational tool rather than a performance tool [18:53] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:53] i think you're gonna hurt yourself using swap like that [18:53] righteous, define edit scripts [18:53] remember swap is your expanded memory, not a filesystem archive [18:53] it gets blown away evertime you boot [18:53] Skywise, i dont get it. i'm not touching swap, i meant raid1 + lvm / [18:53] powtrix:: sure. (1) Open a file. (2) change the contents of the file. (3) Save the changes to the contents of the file. [18:53] wouldn't you always be at the speed of the slowest drive with raid1 ? [18:54] Razec (1000@187-27-209-153.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:54] yeah, you have to write to each drive [18:54] what kind of scripts you mean? [18:55] powtrix, you just need an editor that won't play with the cr/lf [18:55] one that respects unix style text files vs windows ones [18:55] powtrix:: it doesn't matter. [18:55] Skywise, you mean righteous [18:55] ok [18:55] im so much less interested in which editor to use than i am in which service to user [18:56] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:56] I use vim under putty [18:56] sftp [18:57] holy shit, what is the deal today, is the part of my brain that is adept at communication stunted by beer, or is the entire planet in a stupor? [18:57] its sunday [18:57] large earthquake in california [18:57] 6.9 [18:57] south of sandiego, looks more like it was in mexico actually [18:58] eh, well. as long as it was just mexico and cali. [18:58] Adalbert (~Adalbert@host92-118-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:58] theres nothing there but a fence anyway [18:58] maybe a cactus [18:58] this happened 5 mins ago? [18:58] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] i was under the impression both those regions had sunk into a fiery hell already, im surprised to hear its all still there. [18:59] yeah i think its just now [18:59] no news on google news yet [18:59] its on cnn [18:59] Skywise i'm gonna take my current 100GIG 7200 rpm drive, copy them over to a 500gb drive and install osx as a third boot [19:00] i'm beginning to think you're a maschist [19:00] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] it's rather fun [19:00] and that confirms it [19:00] you like pain [19:01] i guess thats how progress is made [19:01] 4:00 pm, beginning slackware13 64 install via nfs on lvm/raid1 [19:01] while this is going, i'll do the osx stuff [19:01] someone needs to fall off the cliff first [19:01] let me think how i wanna do it.. maybe dd the entire thing over, create a third partition [19:01] Skywise done it many times [19:01] (fallen off things) [19:01] dd or rsync [19:02] dd [19:03] dd isn't good if the drives have different geometries [19:03] oh, i should wait [19:03] you could end up wasting space [19:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [19:03] i'll plug it in the supermicro when it's done so i can avoid having one drive usb [19:04] i'll copy the partitions and see if it leaves me with anything good [19:04] oh, not enough power bah [19:06] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-92-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:11] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-92-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:16] skew (~skew@host217-115-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: notte [19:17] uh, slack install is stuck at timezone config :( [19:17] processes shows me config attempt [19:17] i killed the timeconfig process [19:18] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [19:19] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:21] \quit bye [19:22] darkl0rd (~489e2ec8@gateway/web/freenode/x-tagwnlxdkaytviyj) left irc: Quit: bye [19:23] cool, lvm + raid1, first attempt booted [19:25] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:27] elbeardmorez (~elbeardmo@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:28] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:29] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-39-182.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:34] Nick change: _mario -> mario [19:34] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-39-182.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [19:36] holywars (~chronos@188.4.66.46.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:38] Anyone with a clue on how to remove this file: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/jBgeSg45.html [19:41] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:44] Skywise, partition 6 doesn't start on a cylinder boundary :D [19:44] Zosma: ewwww, reboot? [19:44] (or umount, remount everything) [19:45] wtf, did anyone get Net::Pcap installed through cpan in perl on slackware? [19:45] or did slackware just give up on perl? [19:46] it gave up on you. just you. [19:48] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.63.137) joined ##slackware. [19:48] then of course, logical assumption is that since you can't compile some obscure, one out of many thousands, perl module - it must be 'slackware giving up on perl'. very candid observation [19:49] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [19:53] ananke, of couse pat gave up on perl, its smalltalk or nothing here these days [19:53] terry_ (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:53] terry_ (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [19:54] perl: the next gnome :) [19:54] HAHAHA. did you seriously just say Net::Pcap is 'some obscure perl module'? Is this ##slackware? [19:54] nope, it's ##sex -_- [19:54] Camarade_Tux:: I thought it might be lol, because that is porn. [19:55] Camarade_Tux: that's -offtopic [19:55] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ihwutdluuhcvjlph) left ##slackware. [19:56] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ihwutdluuhcvjlph) joined ##slackware. [19:57] hey, I use a usb mouse with a laptop.. sometimes, I try to right click (like to pull up fluxbox's menu) and it opens then immediately closes.. takes several tries, or I have to click and hold. can anyone think of what could be going on? [19:57] Camarade_Tux:: in all fairness the general feedback im getting from perl resources is that slackware is causing alot of issues with the perl environment and that i might be better setup with a *bsd [19:58] how would slackware be responsible for that? [19:58] lol [19:58] you should prolly read the specific error message and the correct it [19:58] its got nothing to do with the distro [19:58] I think that's the usual app/language/etc-specific response.. your distro is causing the problem [19:58] especially as how vanilla slackware is [19:59] raela: like the right mouse clicks too fast? [19:59] mrselfpwn: I think that is the issue. only with the usb mouse, not the touchpad, though [20:00] do you use and xorg.conf? [20:00] Skywise:: hrmmmm nevermind, it loaded right up in freebsd. must be slackware's perl environment. [20:00] seeing as there are no errors provided, it's just pure wild speculation at this point [20:00] righteous: it's your lack of know how [20:00] mrselfpwn: yes I do, but only for the screen/device/monitor/server layout sections [20:00] mrselfpwn:: cpan in freebsd disagrees. [20:00] for all we know, he may not even have a compiler installed, and his machine may be managed by lizard people [20:01] righteous: then use bsd [20:01] cpan is merely a sophisticated wrapper for wget + perl Makefile.pl [20:01] oh, wait, slack's perl distro is outdated on -purpose- because it's SO ADVANCED its behind. It's that good. [20:01] 'perl distro'? [20:01] yup [20:01] wtf are you talking about? [20:02] he's given up on making sense. [20:02] isn't righteous cpunches? [20:02] yep [20:02] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [20:02] I think that solves it [20:02] which explains the waves of absurdity coming from him [20:02] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Quit: fnord!! [20:03] and for those naive few who are going to believe the seniors' misconstruement of the appropriateness of referring to a perl environment as a contained distribution, please click here: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=perl+distribution&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | They're not always as informed as they let on. [20:03] metrofox (metrofox@ppp-68-251.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [20:03] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [20:04] This is where they'll, as patterned in the past, make angry statements about my competence to restore their fragile egos. Carry on. [20:04] Action: righteous goes to work [20:04] Action: Skywise listens to the crickets chirping [20:04] ohhh, I bet righteous feels all big and bad [20:04] righteous: sorry to disappoint you. bashing your nonsense is not an ego boost. [20:04] he showed them! [20:05] ananke:: oh, sure it is, or you wouldn't dive to inaccuracy trying to correct me :P [20:05] also, safari? wtf [20:05] heh [20:05] righteous: this has nothing to do with slackware [20:05] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Client Quit [20:06] paying attention to details will only further muddle the issue [20:06] righteous: again, correcting you doesn't give me an ego boost. you seem to attach a bit too much value to yourself [20:06] Skywise:: yeah, you're right. details are unimportant. what matters is who is saying something, because accuracy isn't important here. I totally agree. [20:07] Wait, that doesn't sound right. [20:08] after|math (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:09] Z3d (~user@proxy.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Z3d [20:10] Camarade_Tux: aye... the filesystem was corrupted: an fsck did the trick. [20:11] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:12] mrselfpwn: anyway, re: the mouse.. could it just be hardware issue? [20:12] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) joined ##slackware. [20:13] echtts (~echtts@189-46-208-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:14] raela: I've had the same thing as you with a faulty mouse (Razer Copperhead) [20:14] So I would check it on another computer first if you have the chance. [20:14] Zosma: the mouse was a cheap one, and it's had a good few years. I might bring it in to check on a desktop.. maybe check my other mouse on this one [20:15] Aye check it with another computer first. [20:15] I really doubt it's software-related. [20:15] yeah, especially since I have no issues with the touchpad [20:16] echtts_ (~echtts@201-95-187-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [20:17] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:19] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [20:20] when setting up a dual boot system, is it okay to first install linux? I don't have the windows cd yet. [20:20] righteous: don't msg me. i'm not interested in entertaining you in private [20:21] 20:19 righteous> weird question for you that might clear up an old thorn in my side: Do you believe that the slackware linux distribution is flawless, unable to be improved upon, and is caught up in every aspect of its maintenance? If you do, I'd like to hear you say it, so that I can take you with a grain of [20:21] salt the next time youparade around like an idiot pretending that every meta-package broknen by obsolecence is [20:21] 20:19 righteous> a user error as opposed to a maintainer oversight. [20:22] ron1n (~anthony@cpe-24-164-144-31.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:22] hey guys, how do I switch from kdm to xdm? [20:22] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [20:22] ron1n: now I know that answer is easily googleable :) [20:22] ron1n: it's in the slackbook [20:22] ron1n: I believe it's one of the rc. files, but I don't remember offhand, sorry [20:22] ron1n: probably something in /etc/rc.d/rc.4 [20:23] raela: yeah, I know, but I'm without graphical here. The system poops when kdm launches [20:23] ananke:: ok, in that case, you're were as wrong as you are pretentious. [20:23] *you were [20:23] Newbieslacker (~Usuario@190.229.108.243) joined ##slackware. [20:23] ron1n: chmod -x rc.kdm && chmod +x rc.xdm [20:23] I know there is a script for it, I really can't remember for the life of me though [20:24] cryptic0: that works too. thanks a ton dude [20:24] ron1n: links works great for searching the web, for future reference [20:24] uvw [20:24] raela: thanks, I'll give it a try [20:24] ron1n: I thought I gave you the answer already ~_~ [20:24] mako-dono: I appreciate it, didn't see it. [20:24] ron1n (~anthony@cpe-24-164-144-31.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:25] righteous: so far the number of your failures hasn't ceased to amaze me. what's ironic is that i never thought nor stated anything close to 'slackware being flawless', especially considering i've been migrating my servers and workstations from slackware. keep up the good work, eventually you may put something coherent and logical [20:25] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:25] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:27] Newbieslacker (Usuario@190.229.108.243) left ##slackware. [20:28] ananke:: oh ok, what confused me was you acting like i was stupid for pointing out that a part of the system was literally broken and confirmed to be broken by other communities and observed to be broken, and that it was the linux distro and not the perl distribution, and then you inaccurately suggested that a perl distribution is not a distribution despite every perl distribution referring itself to a distribution [20:28] , meeting the definition of a distribution, and being referred to by their respective communities as distributions. You implied that i was incomptent for knowing that, and then when faced with the blatant fact that you were *wrong* you danced around it because you lack accountability. [20:29] To top that off, you're a senior in this community. [20:29] I'd have said that in private, but you forwarded my pms to channel. [20:31] you didn't point out anything broken. all you did was act like a typical troll, which comes of no surprise. rather than providing some factual errors or problem description, you went into a troll mode and proclaimed that slackware must have given up on perl. get over yourself. [20:31] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [20:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:32] ananke:: you can paint it how you want. I can't talk about it in channel much more because you'll rally the ops-- you're an internet bully. And, you're not as adept as you think you are. [20:32] if you have technical problems, stick to the technical problem description. save yourself the inflammatory commentary [20:32] ananke:: you know where to put your ego. [20:32] righteous: why don't you cry me a river now? [20:32] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:33] haha, pulling out the internet bully thing? going to reference microsoft and tell your parents? [20:33] after|math (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:33] Ugh come one guys. [20:34] Zosma: it's nothing new. he used to be banned from here for a prolonged amount of time. seems he's trying hard to re-estabilish that status [20:34] well, he can only be an asshole to so many people. im sure im not the first to point it out. this has happened quite a bit, where i'll notice something, he'll pretend its not real or accurate, it'll turn out it was, and then his assholedom goes unspoken for. [20:34] OK I didn't know that so I can't put things in perspective :-) [20:34] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [20:35] Zosma:: the perspective is that he's one of a few old-timers here who all do that without realizing it and a couple of them are opers. [20:35] righteous: yes you might be right in that there's some packaging error... but you did announce it as a troll and yes you get agitated now. [20:35] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] And there will always be people responding to that. [20:35] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [20:35] righteous: and you never did say what the actual problem was.. [20:36] righteous: just let it go if people flame back. [20:36] i think he made it quite clear. he's not interested in solving a technical problem. he's whining for the sake of whining. trolling for the lulz [20:36] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-190-252.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:36] ok, go to your corners, have 6 quick shots of vodka each, 3 deep breaths and ... what was I saying ... [20:37] ananke:: and you're being passive aggressive so that the community will argue for you instead of just saying 'i was wrong'. [20:37] :) [20:37] it's no secret that i'm a jerk. it's also not a surprise that righteous is a troll [20:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:37] NyteOwl: oh well, I'll do it just for the vodka :) [20:37] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:37] righteous: i'm a jerk. now, you admit it: say 'i'm a troll' [20:37] were you a right jerk or a wrong jerk? [20:37] Z3d (~user@proxy.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [20:39] I didn't see you proving it was a package error... other than that it could be called a 'perl distribution' which would consist of nothing more than a few precompiled perl modules. [20:39] ananke++ ... but there is a proper way to deal with trolls, and that is to deny them the attention they crave. [20:39] righteous: i think it's just too funny. you keep crying on your soap box about that single issue. yet you still haven't defined the original problem [20:39] If he can point out the specific error I'll send him a beer. [20:39] shemp: indeed. while it was entertaining, i agree that i shouldn't have continued that [20:39] A proper good Belgian one. [20:40] ananke:: i knew you couldn't admit you were wrong, you turn into a 15 year old when you have a keyboard in your hands. I'm done talking about this because it's been worked around; the issue was a slackware issue, not a perl issue. [20:40] righteous: then point out the error. [20:40] Zosma:: kk, you can replicate the error by trying to install Net::Pcap in cpan. [20:41] Yes well I could've guessed that. [20:41] Indeed. [20:41] But I'd like you to point out why it would specifically be a Slackware bug. [20:41] see, the burden of proof is somehow on us. we have to prove that there is an issue [20:41] In a clear non-trolling way. [20:42] echtts (~echtts@189-46-208-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:42] adamk (user@unaffiliated/adamk) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.600 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"). [20:42] *tumbleweed* [20:43] Zosma:: in lieu of digging around in slack's perl distro, i just installed Net::Pcap in cpan with OSX, strawberry perl in xp, and freebsd. I could fire up some virtual machines and do this successfully if you'd like. [20:43] righteous: while answering your idiotic question would probably end this, i'm still amused at the fact that you think i was in disagreement with you. [or agreement, for that matter] [20:43] ananke:: im not interested in new reinterpretations. [20:43] I've been watching for a while [20:44] Action: trhodes has been munching popcorn [20:44] righteous: yes I believe they compile fine there... just saying that maybe you could pinpoint the thing Slackware's doing wrong eh. [20:44] Action: hitest is sipping wine [20:44] Action: Zosma gets a Berenbug [20:44] *Berenburg even [20:44] Action: raela is eating a baked potato with only her hand [20:44] Zosma:: no, and i haven't tried to; It is obviously a slackware-specific issue, though. [20:44] Action: NyteOwl looks at the bottom of his coffee cup [20:45] i guess it's time to see what beer is left [20:45] righteous: see this is where you get people mad. [20:45] Action: raela considers more vodka [20:45] j0z (~j0z@201.47.16.75.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:45] j0z (~j0z@201.47.16.75.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [20:45] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [20:45] Zosma:: is it not an obvious slackware-specific issue? [20:45] raela: go for it [20:45] It *could* be [20:45] Can I get a boolean answer? [20:45] hitest: perhaps when I finish the potato :) [20:45] sure [20:45] btw, i don't think he got anybody mad [20:46] righteous: no because there could be other vanilla 'perl distributions' with the same error. [20:46] LFS maybe who knows. [20:46] So it works in OSX, XP, FreeBSD... none of which use the Linux kernel. [20:46] Action: NyteOwl gets all kinds of perl errors - I'm a lousy knitter [20:46] Yeah I've seen a share of them in my short lifetime ;-) [20:47] Action: raela gives NyteOwl Knitting::skills [20:47] and are all big distros [20:47] jkwood:: you going to ration it into me being wrong now or are you going to look into the bug? [20:47] what bug ? [20:47] righteous: you're too lazy to look into it yourself? [20:47] Zosma:: yeah [20:47] But instead we should all do it for you? [20:47] not for me, for the slackware distro [20:47] righteous: proof of a bug? [20:48] now I feel dizzy :P [20:48] so that when we pretend there's nothing wrong with it, we'll know we were a little closer to the illusion. [20:48] oh lord if someone found a bug just do what 99% do - report it to the distro mailing list/bugzilla or whatever reporting system is in place [20:49] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html [20:49] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:49] NyteOwl:: usually what i do when i find that kind of thing is ill mention it here, and what i noticed, and someone more experienced will look into it, and it'll get fixed somewhere down the road [20:50] Yes and if it isn't solved immediatly you troll by saying people forget about Perl [20:50] ok, more likely to get handled as a report but whatever works :) [20:50] Sorry but you can't expect miracles. [20:50] They forgot about Dre. [20:50] NyteOwl:: haha exactly [20:50] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) joined ##slackware. [20:52] Zosma:: when its been ignored to the point of not only losing a reputation of quality and reliability for the meta-package's community but is starting to get a reputation for causing problems, it's a valid question to ask and it just might get the right person paying attention. Sorry you disagree, and I hope your distro stays perfect for you. [20:52] righteous: if you have such problems with slackware.. why bother using it [20:52] raela:: for most tasks i dont [20:53] no such thing as a "perfect" distro (or anything else for that matter) [20:53] NyteOwl:: thanks [20:53] righteous: what do you normally run? [20:53] hitest:: i bounce around between fbsd and slack [20:53] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:54] righteous: I prefer slack. I was a long timer fbsd user...starting at 5.x. slack works for me. each to his own:) [20:56] You know, he once coded his own BSD in assembly back at MIT. [20:56] Z3d (~user@proxy.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Z3d [20:56] jkwood: who did? [20:56] hitest:: i'd use fbsd 24/7 if the prop drivers for newer gfx cards came out for it. you can get close, but it's just not the same. and alot of linux apps are a pain to get on there. I use slack because it 'feels' like a bsd to me. [20:57] jkwood:: haha no but i did help an mit student repair his mysql database for one of his finals once ^_^ [20:57] he was on some obscure linux distro though [20:57] i use slack because it raises the gnar bar. [20:57] gnar bar? [20:58] gnar bar:) [20:58] heh [20:58] some gnarly high fiber thing [20:58] LOL [20:58] haha [20:58] Z3d (~user@proxy.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [20:58] just found the urban dictionary for that [20:58] I use slack because it makes people think I'm awesome :) because, y'know, linux is sooooo haaaard [20:58] So that's why I always need to sit on the toilet with my slackware laptop [20:58] i see slack as 'almost there'. [20:59] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:59] i use slack, just to see what kind of trolls it brings out of the woodwork [20:59] that means alot, coming from an expert like you [21:00] ananke: trolls don't live in the woodwork, they live under bridges :p [21:00] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:00] thrice`:: im not an expert, im a user, which makes me more qualified than an expert like you to determine that. [21:00] NyteOwl: maybe i was thinking of the wooden bridges [21:00] righteous, you meant "i'm a troll" in your previous sentence, I think [21:01] ok, that's a possibility [21:01] trolls live under NAT bridges :) [21:01] haha [21:01] I'm quite certain I've worked for a troll [21:01] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Razec (1000@187-27-209-153.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:02] hahaha thrice` only if a troll is whats between a user and an expert [21:02] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [21:02] after|math (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:02] righteous: Slackware is not 'my' distribution... just understand ananke's reaction when you 'blame' Slackware. It's probably meant well but there's not much (if anything) Slackware-specific about the perl it ships. [21:03] Zosma:: thats like saying the packages in a linux distro are not linux-related. [21:04] In most cases they aren't. [21:04] Because it's just a shitload of files. [21:04] oops, i mean 'thats like saying the packages in a linux distro are not related to that distro'; that could only be true if there was only one version of each of those packages. [21:04] which part of slackware's perl package is unique to slackware? [21:05] that would mean there's no difference between distros than default configuration of packages, which, to some, might feel the case, but package selection and the varying versions of those packages are all part of it. [21:05] this is real simple stuff. [21:06] then what is something that is unique to the perl slackware provides? [21:06] It could lack a specific patch. [21:06] Zosma:: thats what i was thinking [21:06] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Quit: http://clicanimaux.com svp cliquez sur le bouton au millieu de la page pour nourir un animal abandonné, please click on the button and feed a poor and forseken animal for free ! http://clicanimaux.com [21:07] thrice`:: perl -MCPAN -e shelll; install Net::Pcap; [21:08] NyteOwl (~sysop@hlfx56-1-89.ns.sympatico.ca) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [21:09] righteous: do you even have tcpdump installed? [21:09] (providing libpcap) [21:09] Zosma:: they both come stock with slack [21:10] Yes but you could've omitted installing them. [21:10] after|math (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:10] lol yes i have tcpdump installed haha [21:10] its a full install [21:10] and im using net::pcap to write a wrapper for tcpdump :P [21:10] Hehe just checking. [21:11] silence infidel! slackware is the cause of this problem, same as global warming. [21:11] Yes yes [21:12] chasmo77 (~chas@69.4.142.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:13] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:14] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-92-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [21:14] maybe pat should stop shipping dvds in styrofoam containers [21:14] ananke:: actually, i think you might be right, I think freebsd broke this on slackware. those jerks! [21:15] he should ship the DVDs wrapped in baby seal pelts [21:15] why not, it's the oldest distro, therefore the most environmentally persistent material is suitable [21:15] or puppy fur [21:15] ananke: Al Gore chased away my global warming, resulting in a sudden March snowstorm. I demand compensation! [21:15] LOL@puppy fur [21:15] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.41.151) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [21:16] chasmo77 (~chas@69.4.142.4) joined ##slackware. [21:17] lol...well, I feel like an idiot. [21:17] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/perl-Net-Pcap/ [21:17] heh [21:17] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:18] apparently cpan on slack doesn't like the net::pcap lib and our good mr. workman has compensated with a few of the problematic perl modules o slackbuilds.org [21:18] righteous: the error is in net::pcap itself ffs. [21:19] Zosma:: and is designed intentionally to not work only on slackware 13. [21:19] those jerks! [21:19] # some of the tests are broken, since they expect an oldier libpcap [21:19] Read it for crying out loud. [21:19] That's the only compensation. [21:20] yeah i see it. our version of libpcap is too new for alot of perl modules. [21:20] Action: righteous starts looking at how to downgrade libpcap to fix the oversight. [21:21] oh god. [21:21] good luck with that [21:21] paissad_ (~paissad-s@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:22] hi all, i would like to have as local ip address 192.168.1.4 but if ever i try this command below, i cannot ping google.com [21:23] ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 [21:23] paissad_:: you don't need to specify broadcast, try not [21:23] but when i do dhclient eth0 ( i get 192.168.1.7 as ip address & i can ping google ) [21:23] paissad_: that command only sets the ip. to ping google.com you are missing two other key components: default gateway and a name server to use for lookups [21:24] you need to set a gateway [21:24] ananke wins. [21:24] doesn't that get all setup when you run netconfig? [21:24] dude [21:24] sounds needless. [21:24] re-read what he is doing. [21:25] i have the same setup [21:25] you're still not reading [21:25] you're right, i am thinking [21:25] he is manually configuring the interface with ifconfig. [21:25] sure that works too [21:25] that will not setup resolv.conf or set a gateway. [21:26] not the way i'd have done it [21:26] ... [21:26] so they way you have your system setup is relevant to his manual commands, how? [21:27] the fact that he doesn't necessarily have to do it that way, where he doesn't have to learn much of how to use ifconfig, which is intimidating for a newbie. [21:27] His question directly mentioned the manual use of ifconfig. [21:27] so we answer the question based on the context is created. [21:27] is/it [21:28] Come on righteous' suggestion is valid. [21:28] connect: Network is unreachable [21:28] that's what i got when i ping google.com [21:28] righteous, i did remove broadcast *** [21:28] If paissad_ doesn't know about it. [21:29] yes he said he had been trying it that way. if i said 'hey guys im trying to edit my kernel source with nano to change which modules get loaded' youd have said 'use make menuconfig' [21:29] paissad_: what is your router's IP address? [21:29] antiwire, 192.168.1.254 [21:31] paissad_: do this: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.4/24 && route add default gw 192.168.1.254 eth0 && echo 'nameserver 192.168.1.254' > /etc/resolv.conf [21:31] then ping google.com [21:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:31] paissad_:: you can also type 'netconfig' and a series of dialogs will configure all of that for you. [21:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:32] ok [21:32] paissad_:: also changes made with netconfig stick, using ifconfig will not necessarily be there when you reboot. [21:32] Actually, that route add command I posted, you might need it this way instead: route add default gw 192.168.1.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 [21:33] i already had "nameserver 192.168.1.254" in my /etc/resolv.conf anyway [21:33] and "search lan" too [21:33] paissad_: then just add the gateway [21:34] :) [21:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:35] cmk_zzz (~karlsson@122.58.182.213) joined ##slackware. [21:35] paissad_: If you want to know what netconfig is doing, read /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [21:35] Z3d (~user@proxy.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Z3d [21:35] Hi guys. I was planning to put ext4 on an external drive which is going to get used for backups. Any final "NOOOO, don't do that"s? [21:36] I have also heard that the kernel source is very informative about ways to configure it. [21:36] now you're talking about reading kernel source and he's having a difficult time with ifconfig? [21:36] I thought you were pushing usability [21:36] antiwire:: sorry that was directed towards you [21:37] cmk_zzz:: im using ext4 on a few parts right now, and a couple of times ive found entire directories just -gone- [21:37] cmk_zzz: you might want to reserve no blocks for the superuser if it's just a backup drive [21:37] FTR5FGVBTR5FGV`123QWERTYasdfghdsaASDFGHJKLZCVMNCFR4TGBTR5FV FDE3EDFVFRE43RDFCDXSW2WSXAQ [21:37] exactly [21:37] pffftwahhaaha. [21:39] Z3d (~user@proxy.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [21:39] :) [21:39] paissad_ (~paissad-s@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:39] Action: john_dee is cleaning kb [21:39] lol [21:40] Thought it was a cat :-) [21:40] righteous: Really? so ext4 is deemed unreliable eh? [21:41] cmk_zzz:: i'd be accused of fud if i said yes, but I woudn't use it for anything i thought was very important to me. [21:41] For backups... I'd stick with proven ext3 too. Just a gut feeling. [21:41] ext3 is extraordinarily stable, though [21:41] what Zosma said ^ [21:42] Bah 3:40 am here... time to hit the sack. [21:42] fair enough, safe and sound over anything else [21:42] Aye [21:42] I'm using ext4 elsewhere so we'll see how it stacks up [21:42] cmk_zzz:: also ext3 is a very compatible fs [21:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:44] Action: righteous misses reiserfs :( [21:45] righteous, compatible with what? [21:46] nachox:: i format all my usb sticks as ext3. if i got ntfs or vfat, i can still mount it, but it feels less standard even though i can still use the stick in xp; with ext3 i pop it in and it loads right off the bat once my xp is configured even once for it. [21:46] just seems like the best of both worlds [21:47] the windows driver is just scary, the solaris driver has warnings all over the place. aix and hp-ux cant read it at all. i think there are drivers for osx and freebsd but i dont know how they work. i dont think there is anything for openbsd [21:48] Action: XGizzmo blinks [21:48] i think that the main problem with the windows driver is that it lets you get stuck in case incompatibility situations [21:49] hrm. i didnt know openbsd and freebsd weren't mutually compatible with each other in terms of drivers et al; ive never once had an issue with the xp driver, and i dont remember any issues with solaris [21:49] the filesystem is case sensitive, but windows thinks it isn't, making file inaccessible if you have for example ~/asdf and ~/aSdf [21:49] *files [21:49] in all fairness my full extent of testing in solaris was pretty limited [21:49] righteous, you dont remember any issues with solaris because there is no driver for solaris. there is a beta driver for opensolaris [21:50] righteous: sadly, OpenBSD and FreeBSD can't share drivers. as for how much work a port would take, i'm not sure. [21:50] zaltekk:: openbsd doesn't work with portsnap? [21:50] too bad about zfs [21:50] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Hi,folks [21:51] righteous: OpenBSD has a completely separate system. i do believe that there is some overlap between freebsd and netbsd, although i don't have experience with netbsd. [21:52] zaltekk:: the only thing i know about netbsd is that it doesn't have ports by default and that you can install it on a toaster, or a can-opener. a mechanical one, even. [21:52] righteous: it has its own source-based package management system [21:53] i think there is even a port of it to slackware [21:53] Action: righteous drops a netbsd thumb drive in a bottle of beer and waits for sentience [21:54] zaltekk, it's a nice alternative to debian on mip archs as well as some older arm archs [21:57] chronos_ (~chronos@77.49.179.98.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:58] right. i've always been fond of openbsd. it even has some features that i would like on my linux laptop. but it lacks enough support for me to suspend and use binary video drivers from nvidia =/ [21:58] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-130-112.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] holywars (~chronos@188.4.66.46.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:59] zaltekk, which features per se? [21:59] for example, the integration of wireless configuration(including wpa) into ifconfig is very nice. [21:59] you can use ifconfig to bring up a wpa2 network right from the cli. not need to write a wpa_supplicant.conf entry like with linux. [22:00] zaltekk:: i think thats whats holding all the bsd's back [22:00] righteous: which? suspend? video drivers? [22:00] hell even if they just got nvidia and left ati to the xp and a quarter of the linux community, bsd's would take off. [22:01] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:01] freebsd has x86 nvidia drivers. x86_64 drivers have been in beta for a while now. i think the main reason openbsd doesn't have any nvidia drivers is because they probably don't play nice with nvidia [22:02] i doubt they would include an nvidia driver, or make changes to the system to accomodate it like freebsd has done [22:02] i did not know that. [22:02] I've used freebsd with nvidia's drivers for a while [22:03] righteous: i don't remember the exact feature, but you actually have a kernel toggle to disable the systems ability to fully interact with your video hardware while using openbsd [22:03] wtf? why/ [22:03] righteous: something about preventing what could be a security nightmare in the openbsd opinion. although you must toggle it off to run x [22:03] yet nother reason to ditch the ati card and buy an nvidia [22:04] righteous: i think it has to do with a lack of control over what runs on the video card. let me see if i can find what i read. [22:04] kk [22:04] hellokitty (~hellokitt@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] righteous: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html read 11.2 -- i'll try to find the full explination [22:07] http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=114233317926101 [22:07] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[22:30] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:30] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:31] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-133-18.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:33] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:34] oh wow, the pcap perl mod takes like five minutes to write a sniffer way more advanced and configurable than tshark [22:35] Hrm.. what shall I trust.. tshark/tcpdump/wireshark or some off the shelf perl mod written in 5 mins... [22:36] righteous, i don't understand you [22:36] slackware = scares me [22:37] he's still trolling? [22:38] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [22:39] So... I've been using ubuntu for a couple of months now and I really want to get into slackware but it seems like the most frightening thing in the world. Do you folks think it would be better to stick with ubuntu for a while or jump right in? [22:39] jump right in [22:40] hmmm... [22:40] My only worry is that ubuntu has millions of forum posts and tons of helpfull websites and slackware seems to have a much higher learning curve.. I could be wrong of course. [22:41] Oh, it does have a learning curve to it. [22:41] Unfortunately, in my experience, Ubuntu makes you 'dumb'.. seriously. Then when you use a distro you have to have some more advanced working knowledge of Linux, you're hosed. [22:41] Millions of forum posts, 70% of which are "I can't get this working!" "I can't either!" "Sorry, we're not going to fix this annoying, game-breaking bug, because we're getting ready for a release 6 months from now." [22:41] See that's the thing, I've been trying to learn more and more every day, but I'm already wicked confused with just changing window managers and such.. [22:42] lol that's actually really true [22:42] M1ck3y: that's easy [22:42] M1ck3y: run 'xwmconfig' [22:42] ta dah! [22:42] lol [22:42] No, I can get them working.. but I can't even get online wirelessly with them on.. [22:42] why? [22:42] Install wicd [22:42] I don't have any idea [22:42] install wpa_supplicant [22:42] try again [22:42] :) [22:42] wpa_supplicant, what is that? [22:43] a way of getting linux wireless-tools to speak to WPA-encrypted wireless APs [22:43] cool [22:43] lol, this all makes me feel so stupid... [22:44] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] But honestly dominian, you think I'd be better off just jumping in and figuring it all out without ubuntu as a "stepping stone" [22:45] M1ck3y: You could use a VM or something to experiment with Slackware. [22:45] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:46] yeah, maybe I'll do that for a bit, I make a live-usb but what I really want to learn how to do is stuff like compiling my own packages. I want to learn how to build up my os as opposed to trimming it down. Which is what attracts me to slackware. [22:46] M1ck3y: LFS hehe [22:46] you can start from the ground up with LFS [22:46] LFS? [22:46] linux for....? [22:46] linux from scratch [22:46] ahhh [22:46] I see... [22:48] haha lfs to start out [22:48] that would be something [22:48] Why not? [22:49] Yeah... that looks a little much for me right now. [22:49] the nature of linux is such that a newbie who was doing it for hobby reasons would think that all that work was just a standard linux thing and walk away and never look back. [22:49] its why the us army doesn't recruit prenatally [22:50] uh huh [22:50] I forgot, you are always right [22:50] most often [22:50] lol, his name is righteous [22:50] M1ck3y: He's a known pita [22:50] lol [22:50] pita? [22:50] I take pretty much everything he says with less than a grain of salt [22:50] M1ck3y: pain in the ass [22:50] haha [22:51] Mr righteous has gone by many names.. all of which have been shamed by the BS that dribbles out.. yet he usually makes his way back after a few months. [22:51] azca (vanishing@CPE000c414e6929-CM001692fa1520.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:51] M1ck3y:: Dominian is mad at me for calling a nick 'thumbs' out for abusing users in #apache, and I also called out a user 'ananke' today for giving inaccurate data, and he wants to 'teach me a lesson'. Sorry you have to see it. [22:52] if you can grok the lfs book, it has real meat&potatoes type content that will serve you well, but if you're just going to go by rote, it's not the greatest use of time [22:52] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@adsl-75-57-113-36.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:52] Action: M1ck3y feels like he walked into the middle of something. [22:52] M1ck3y:: you did, and i apologize. [22:52] lol, I don't mind :) [22:52] wtf [22:52] M1ck3y: nevermind, righteous has been trolling tonight [22:53] righteous: er.. I have no idea what 'calling out' you are speaking of to be honst. This is the first I've been on the PC today. [22:53] M1ck3y:: yes i pointed out a bug in slack's perl distribution. [22:53] a bug in the perl distribution? [22:53] how so? [22:53] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1125 [22:53] Dominian:: our libpcap version is so new that alot of commonly used perl modules are broken by it. [22:54] and how is that a bug in the perl distribution? [22:54] that makes no sense. [22:54] "oh crap a newer version broke older stuff" [22:54] here he goes again, making up things. [22:54] Dominian:: it breaks the perl environment. [22:55] Action: raela gives ananke a shot of vodka [22:55] righteous: no it doesn't [22:55] Dominian:: yeah, it does. [22:55] tell your shitty perl module to update [22:55] azca (vanishing@CPE000c414e6929-CM001692fa1520.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:55] Hey, who here is running slackware 13 or -current and Perl breaks for them? [22:55] Not me. [22:55] I dunno, I did some perl fine for class [22:55] oh wait.. it doesn't break for me [22:55] and I've ran some perl for research, no problems [22:55] righteous: try again [22:55] gm152:: hey do me a favor, and go into cpan and type 'install Net::Pcap' [22:55] raela: _how_ did you know? :) [22:55] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:56] raela: i just made myself a bloody mary :) [22:56] man, this subject is still being argued about? thought that was hours ago [22:56] ananke: well, I just love vodka. might as well share the love :) [22:56] urxvt complains about older perl but I merely have to recompile urxvt against the newer perl. [22:56] i guess arguing is fun ... ? [22:56] ananke: I had some cherry vodka + diet coke tonight.. mmm cherry coke [22:56] Nick change: davi` -> cybErpunk [22:58] See, this is the problem with knowing too much. If you all were like me and something broke, you could sleep easy knowing that one day, someone smarter than you would fix it. [22:58] hmm. that does sound good [22:58] hrm, ok, what about Archive::Zip, File::Slurp, Html::Parser, HRMMMMMM, ok let's check out Math::Base85, or uhm, Net::Ident, or ugggh...let's see...hrmmm.... Net::DNS.... [22:58] righteous: all work for me [22:59] M1ck3y: hehe.. exactly! ask if anyone knows what to do, then move on and past it [22:59] dude you didn't even check!!! LOL [22:59] mindbndr, really, I think there are alot of people who started on slackware as their first distro, it's not bad [22:59] I run my mail server off of slackware 13.0 which the install of amavisd-new requires most of those [22:59] you're a such a fucking liar. [22:59] raela: indeed! [22:59] righteous: read the next line you moron [23:00] Dominian:: i've already verified that those are broken by default in cpan on a vanilla 13.0. if you have those, you didn't install them with cpan, and if you say you did, i know that you are lying. [23:00] er. haha [23:00] HAHAHa [23:00] cpan isn't something slackware controls. [23:00] try again [23:00] Action: righteous slaps his head [23:01] righteous: make sense and maybe I'll agree with you [23:01] Action: righteous goes back to his freebsd box where it all installed flawlessly in an intact perl environment and forgets this bullshit, dishonest nonsense [23:01] righteous: You've still shown no proof. [23:02] righteous: other than blabbering.. email PV if you think you found a 'bug' [23:02] If he can reproduce it, yay for you. If not, yay for us [23:02] righteous, EVERY one you listed is available: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=perl&sv=13.0 [23:02] righteous: then gtfo and say out.. if you don't like slackware, don't use it [23:02] He's just an idiot [23:02] raela:: shut up, newb. you don't know what you're talking about. [23:02] he was an idiot as cpunches and as chris_punches.. shall I go on? [23:02] Dominian: don't forget as darthmout or however you write that. [23:02] I think i still have a copy of your bullshit resume somewhere too [23:03] aha.. no.. I don't.. straterra does! [23:03] cpunches: PERL EXPERT [23:03] righteous: hahaha. is that supposed to make me feel bad or something? [23:03] This stopped being funny a bit ago... eh? [23:03] righteous: I may be a newb, but I know enough to see you're looking like an idiot [23:03] ooh i came back at the right time! /grabs popcorn [23:03] Action: righteous facepalms [23:04] are you guys really that stupid? [23:04] I certainly am! [23:04] surely this is some practical joke, and you didn't all take acid together for easter or something. [23:04] M1ck3y: Its not that, it really isn't that. He's tried to claim he's an expert for a few years.. how he found 'bugs' that were Slackware's faults etc etc.. which in reality were upstream issues that needed to be worked out with the maintainers... not Slackware itself.. [23:04] BP{k}: or what was that bug he 'found' but turned out he created himself from chmod 777 some directory? [23:05] M1ck3y:: oddly enough, the bugs i bring up get investigated and corrected ;) [23:05] righteous: No they don't [23:05] Dominian:: yeah they do [23:05] The 'bugs' you bring up are all upstream.. and already filed by someone else who knows what they are talking about.. and frankly.. the bugs you pointed out in the past were bugs you may have brought up in here, but someone else filed. [23:06] Not some miraculous discovery you made. [23:06] Dominian:: i dont care who files them. im a user. i just care that they get fixed. [23:06] Not some debugging marathon you put on.. someone else did the foot work. [23:06] righteous: yes but usually your "bug description" leaves much to be desired about. [23:06] righteous: My point is, you try to stake a claim to something getting 'fixed' when in reality, you had nothing to do with the 'fix'.. at all. [23:06] i dont really care. i bring them up, they get fixed, im happy. what i really love is when one of you tries to assert your feeble masculinity on me by correcting me, end up being wrong, and then try to laugh it off with your internet buddies. [23:07] Other than bitching in here.. saying there's a bug.. but you can't describe how to reproduce it. Ever. [23:07] righteous: Then tell us how to reproduce it oh masterful one. [23:07] Dominian:: except for when i described how to reproduce it, like, uhm, 5 mnutes ago? [23:07] You didn't describe hwo to reproduce anything [23:07] Dominian:: hey, you're the expert reader. you know how to scroll. [23:07] righteous: your "wireshark" bug this morning? ... do I need to say more { as well as full well knowing I am associated with SBo } [23:07] other than installing perl modules which I already utilize on a Slackware 13.0 install [23:08] What's SBo? (Sorry) [23:08] Dominian:: oh, good, then maybe you can write a howto for cpan on 13.0 for installing them without changing 3rd party packages. [23:08] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:09] M1ck3y: slackbuilds.org [23:09] (you know, sort of like you don't have to do in other more maintained perl distributions) [23:09] M1ck3y: SlackBuilds.org a third party repository for build scripts that takes a source package and turns it into a slackware package. [23:09] righteous: easy: cpan install done [23:09] cool, thanks :) [23:09] wait, what? which cpan module are you having trouble with? [23:10] Urchlay: apparently everything he installs [23:10] the entire list of which I use on a mail server which works fine [23:10] Action: Dominian shrugs [23:10] Dominian:: dude. install Net::Pcap in cpan. anything requiring the newer libpcap is busted. i brought it up, it IS a slackware bug, and it DOES need downgraded to fix it, and now its SO blown up because your tiny little buddy got his ego wrapped up trying to 'make me wrong' that its this great big huge thing because god forbid someone say there's room for improvement in slackware. you are INSANE. [23:11] this is funny. he's really out of touch with reality [23:11] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [23:11] yar. I dunno, I install lots of cpan modules, ran into one that sorta-failed (Fuse.pm, it actually works, but its "make test" is broken so cpan won't install it without "force install") [23:11] AND slackware is starting to get a reputation in the perl community as causing problems JUST due to this kind of thing. [23:11] righteous: file the bug report with PV then if its such a big deal. [23:11] righteous: if you were RIGHT you would've filed the bug report and just ignored everyone in here. [23:12] Because the tests are broken? [23:12] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:12] no, i told you guys about it. its your precious, perfect distro and there's nothing wrong with it. ever. [23:12] lol, hardly. [23:12] Funny, I seem to remember something about Debian breaking OpenSSL because it failed a Valgrind test... [23:12] righteous: PV is the end-all-be-all of the distro.. if you didn't file the report with him, I'm going to assume the report is BS and ignore it. [23:12] jkwood: yah, the tests are broken, the module actually works with the code I wrote a couple years ago that uses it [23:13] Dominian:: the difference between stupid and ignorant is ignorance is a lack of understanding due to inexposure. [23:14] righteous: again, y ou didn't file the bug report with PV did you? [23:14] no, and im not going to. you're such a fucking group experts that i dont file bugs. [23:14] ? [23:14] I see [23:14] *group of [23:14] he's starting to lose it now [23:14] righteous: you've lost [23:14] have fun [23:14] hm, well, he's right, Net::Pcap won't install in CPAN, on 13.0 [23:14] no, really. why would i file a bug? [23:14] If its a bug, file it. If its not, stfu. [23:14] slackware is perfect. [23:15] and your a spoiled little bitch [23:15] Did someone actually say Slackware was perfect? [23:15] filing a bug would take away from his self perceived right to bitch and moan [23:15] not really sure why it won't install yet, or whether there's a workaround... and I dunno if it counts as a "bug in slackware" or not (Net::Pcap isn' [23:15] isn't part of slackware) [23:15] antiwire: of course not. that's part of his trolling [23:15] ah [23:16] Action: M1ck3y finds it amusing that the : P in net pcap keeps making tounge out smiley faces [23:16] there's nothing wrong with it. except that the kde version is unstable, the perl distribution is so neglected as to be considered problematic in the perl community, and the users are perfect experts and can't grow. [23:16] more likely, I'd call it a bug in Net::Pcap [23:16] Urchlay:: and what about the other very used modules that require the older version of libpcap [23:17] i already knew this would happen. it's always someone elses fault. no one who represents slackware has an ounce of accountability. [23:17] They need to be updated [23:17] righteous: Its an upstream issue [23:17] bitch at them [23:17] and if anyone says otherwise, well, they're the problem. [23:18] Did someone force you to use a specific distribution? [23:18] actually, hm, who in here represents slackware, in an official capacity? [23:18] here's a fun little detail: nobody involved here represents slackware. [23:18] I don't see volkerdi [23:18] Dominian:: ok, so tell me, why did we wait to upgrade our Xorg server? what was the official reason? [23:18] KB1JWQ (~KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:18] I can name 2 that are but those two aren't active right now [23:18] We can't not update software in Slackware because the maintainer of a Perl module we don't ship hasn't updated it to handle the newer version of the software. [23:18] im going somewhere with that [23:18] righteous: ask PV [23:18] I have no idea [23:18] and if they were active, this talk would end sooner [23:18] I don't use slackware in a desktop/laptop capacity any longer [23:19] jkwood: right, same deal with Fuse, the maintainer of the module hasn't been maintaining it... [23:19] Dominian:: no, i know you know the answer, because i know the answer, and you're a perfect expert who knows everything i know and more. so why didnt we upgrade our xorg for so long? [23:19] Tell you what righteous ... [23:19] Dominian:: no, tell me the answer. [23:19] because i know you know. [23:19] When finally get out of your parents house...and get a real job.. with real responsibility.. I'll answer your question. [23:19] damn, righteous, don't you have like, real sh!t to worry about? You're getting pretty indignant about this [23:19] Until that happens, stuff your sarcasm. [23:20] righteous: I, nor anyone else, will ever take you seriously when you play holier than thou routine. [23:20] namenotavailable: this is typical [23:20] hm. The libpcap in slack 13.0 is part of the tcpdump package, I dunno whether that's even intended to be compatible with the standalone one [23:20] Urchlay: afiak, it isn't [23:20] my parents house? my parents live 2,000 miles away and now you're getting personal because you're some other wannabe bully-type in this community that wants so damned badly for me to be an idiot because i call you out. you are E-Pluribus-fuckin'-unum, man. The reason we didn't upgrade our xorg is because it was going to --break stuff-- [23:21] However, you can rebuild tcpdump with newer libpcap just fine [23:21] Dominian: that would explain the mess. [23:21] righteous: Who is "we"? [23:21] Urchlay: possibly, but frankly, I dodn't give a shit [23:21] hm, there's no pcap shared lib at all on my 13.0 box [23:22] M1ck3y:: the slackware distro waited a bit to upgrade xorg for everything to catch up a bit. [23:22] righteous: Like I said, I don't use Xorg in slackware anylonger.. I could care less why we 'waited' [23:22] every one of my Slackware boxen or VMs are headless.. no Xorg [23:22] righteous: hey, have you tried this? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/perl-Net-Pcap/ [23:23] I still don't understand why the term "we" is being used. [23:23] Dominian:: the point is precedent, and its consistency in practice. its what keeps a user using a distro because they depend on the practice. it doesn't go both ways-- if we just used the newest version of everything, so much would be broken. so when i point out an oversight where a newer version broke stuff, it's work looking at. [23:23] isn't it "him" [23:23] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware. [23:23] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:23] antiwire: Its a genereal way to separate himself out away from everyone in the channel.. he's trying to show that he's right and everyone else is wrong basically [23:24] righteous: then....submit...a....bug [23:24] Guest710 (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] Dominian:: no im pointing out there are a few long-time users that will agree with each other being fully wrong whenever someone disagrees with one of them. You are one of those people. [23:24] As I understood it, Patrick was the only person with commit to current and any bugs should be directed to Patrick. [23:24] Have I been wrong to send bugs to Patrick? [23:24] nope [23:24] antiwire: You are correct to send bugs his way [23:25] Nick change: Guest710 -> MrJackson [23:25] This is like the twilight zone. [23:25] righteous: Our point is this: This channel is in no way officially sanctioned by Slackware. If you find a bug, submit it to PV. If you don't submit it, then stop bitching about it here. [23:25] antiwire:: no you shouldn't submit bugs because any bugs are not slackware bugs they are bugs in the specific package or meta-package. [23:25] righteous: if your purpose is just to have a working Net::Pcap, go grab the slackbuilds.org build. It installs Just Fine and apparently works OK [23:26] and most "bugs" are upstream issues and not specific to Slackware.. Why? Because slackware uses vanilla sources and utilizes official patches from those upstream sources. [23:26] it *is* an older version of Net::Pcap (0.14, instead of the 0.16 available on CPAN now) [23:26] Urchlay:: dude i had it fixed like 10 seconds after i brought it up. im talking about the gold-ole-boy network of older users agreeing to things they know are incorrect just because they need me to be wrong. [23:26] it's the same exact behavior he was displaying few hours ago, right when it began: there is absolutely no interest in solving a problem. all he's concerned about is playing a victim, and bitch about the things he concocts [23:26] eh, that, I cannot help thee with [23:26] antiwire: right [23:26] Perhaps the purpose is to troll and enjoy the ensuing mayhem? [23:26] er.. ananke [23:26] Urchlay:: its an effin stain on the community and i think we should change some of the roll call. [23:26] shemp: more than likely [23:27] if there's a conspiracy, I haven't been invited to join it [23:27] I always thought that if the end user of a distribution finds a bug, they notify the distribution first and then the distribution determines if it is something the distribution needs to deal with or if the program's authors need to be notified. [23:27] 'gold-ole-boy network'. is he talking about lemon party? [23:27] righteous: No, the stain is the ability of one person, you, to bitch and complain about a supposed bug in Slackware, yet you haven't file a report, your way of 'reproducing it' is saying the newest pcap breaks older modules that depend on it... and then stating the only way to fix it is to downgrade [23:28] antiwire:: no, you are incorrect. all bugs are the program's author's fault and not the distro maintainers' selection of packages or package versions. [23:28] Otherwise, everyone would be maintaining everyone else's code... [23:28] antiwire:: at least in practice. the theory may be different. [23:28] so we'd all need commit to eveything [23:29] antiwire: heh, I once installed some RAM in my roommates' PC... 6 months later, their wireless keyboard has quit working and I'm somehow "responsible" for it... [23:29] Dominian:: you're right, when we slip and use a newer version of something that breaks more than it fixes, we should force all the broken things to upgrade. [23:29] you're talking about the software equivalent of the same thing I think [23:29] Dominian:: i just want to make sure im following your advice perfectly. i have that down right, right? [23:29] This one seems like a typical library version incompatibility. This isn't something unheard of. Why doesn't this channel see a flame war for every library upgrade that causes another object to break? It happens all the time. [23:30] antiwire:: it depeneds on who points out the bug, i guess ;) [23:30] (and yeah, thats a bug) [23:30] Urchlay, what was the power resource of that wireless keyboard? was it able to self-charge when docked? [23:30] maybe it's not the person but the approach [23:30] newslacker (~kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] is everything ok guys? [23:31] MLanden: no, it just uses a couple of non-rechargeable AAA batteries (but they haven't died after 6 months, so I guess it's not all bad) [23:32] Just looking through the changelogs you can see plenty of bugs that Patrick was notified about, took responsibility for and thanked the person for telling him about it and/or helping fix it. And very few of those ever get mentioned in here. [23:32] righteous, is everythign ok? [23:32] I wonder where the issue is, the person or the approach? [23:32] antiwire:: oh i see. ok, so next time i'll (1) pretend it isn't a bug (2) pretend its not a distro-specific issue (3) pretend it shouldn't be looked at. because thats what i was told. in fact, i was told that perl distributions are not distributions and have been ridiculed for pointing out that its a bug by two members of the good-ole-boy network here, now. So let's point out the proper way of pointing out bugs [23:32] (we're assuming bugs are possible in slackware after my experience talking about this one) [23:32] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [23:33] Where did I say anything about pretending? [23:33] Urchlay, they were ok for the time...but were major battery wasters [23:33] nachox: Some pretty trollerific times we live in. [23:33] I don't think I used the word pretend anywhere. [23:33] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:33] oh, the same thing i saw a few hours ago and let slide... [23:34] antiwire:: ok so next time i see a 'non-bug' thats really a 'bug' can i pm you the 'bug' so that you can mention it? [23:34] I believe so. [23:34] guys, if you think perl or any other piece of software in slackware has a bug, then report it. mentioning here gain you nothing [23:34] jkwood: you made me listen to dre :/ [23:34] exactly [23:34] nachox:: i was told we dont have bugs. [23:34] I guess I really would only care to here about the bug if it was a bug I created. If it was, then yeah...PM me. [23:34] here/hear [23:35] nachox:: but yeah, ill start filling out reports i guess. [23:35] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:35] If it wasn't something I had the permissions to fix, or the know how, I don't see how pming me about it would help anything. [23:35] trhodes: Technically, that was an Eminem quote. [23:36] yeah, true :P [23:36] i forgot about that [23:36] antiwire:: oh, the reason i ask is because you said it has to do with approach, so i was going to pass the baton on, to see your identical...erm..masterful way of approaching it. [23:36] righteous, every piece of software but the most basic has bugs. and you dont have to do or believe everything youre told. If you think its a bug and can present evidence, then present the evidence to the one that can do something about it. [23:36] Can you please show me where I claimed to be a master? [23:36] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427371.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [23:37] Please, I don't think I claimed to be a master of anything. [23:38] there are he-man and masters of the universe, but there is no master ov everything [23:38] nachox:: generally when i bump into something a little funky (which is expected everywhere once in a blue moon) i bring it up here, find the fix, and its usually an old-timer here who would know what to do with it. im really bad about the documentation side of things. [23:39] Well, things certainly got a lot friendlier :) [23:40] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] M1ck3y:: nachox is very committed to the growth of the distro [23:40] I can assure you that you' [23:40] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:40] 19:44 righteous> wtf, did anyone get Net::Pcap installed through cpan in perl on slackware? 19:44 righteous> or did slackware just give up on perl? <-. yes, that's the correct and recommended way of asking for assistance. ESR's 'how to ask smart questions' should use that as an example. [23:40] righteous, well you've tried presenting it here, you were told its not a bug and why its not a bug or a problem with slackware. however from what i see in the backlog you still think its a bug and have evidence, keep discusing it here is a waste of your own time. present it to the developers [23:41] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:41] ve spent far more time typing to us than you would have filing a proper report. [23:41] Well all, I can't say it hasn't been interesting. Have a good night everyone! [23:42] Check this out, there really are bugs and they are even documented! http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/q6Ctzm35.html [23:42] whoa! [23:42] M1ck3y: best show in town. you need to get your tickets for the friday night events [23:42] neonflux_ (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [23:42] haha, laters M1ck3y [23:42] nachox:: im certain that module is only one example of many things broken by that upgrade just because of the tests. it would be problems with many developers not catching up to it, but its something easily fixed by downgraded libpcap so it sounds like something that shoudl be reasonably discussed by two people who know more about it than I do. That would not include ananke or Dominian. [23:42] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:42] this convo is a bug [23:42] dude! look at that pastebin! slackware really has bugs sometimes. who would have thought? [23:42] oh man! [23:42] ArTourter_ (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:42] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-15.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] ananke, i cant believe people still recommend that reading... i've been against it since i first read it because i always found it offensive [23:42] antiwire: not fair. you used actual information. [23:43] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:43] have a good one all, seriously though, I'm gonna install slackware tomorrow and hopefully in like 20 years I'll have ANY idea what that argument was about. :) [23:43] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:43] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:43] Damn it, I forgot, we can't use the public information in here. [23:43] good luck,M1ck3y...hope you have a good experience [23:43] nachox: it's the most well known article on that subject, and the name is easy to remember [23:43] MLanden: on further inspection, the reason that keyboard doesn't work appears to be that someone spilled a drink in it... [23:43] in the meantime we've got slackbuilds for modified versions of the packages, but it should be installable right from cpan. [23:44] righteous, if you think ananke or Dominian are not the right people to discuss this, ignore them, it is really that simple. [23:44] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:44] Urchlay, that'll do it..:D [23:44] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:44] M1ck3y (jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [23:44] no idea why they got a $60 wireless mouse/keyboard set, anyway: it never leaves the desk, no point in making it wireless [23:44] Can I put myself on ignore so I can only see you guys type and nothing I type? [23:44] antiwire:: heh [23:44] Urchlay: sure there is: no wires :) [23:44] they only got a 15" monitor, you can't really see anything from a distance even if you want to [23:45] antiwire, did you bash your head when you were little? :) [23:45] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:45] ananke: how does that matter? if there were wires, they wouldn't cause a problem, because the thing never moves anyway [23:45] Urch one strong reason is to make it easier for big brother to snoop on you, acoustic analysis is more of a pita [23:45] heh [23:46] Urchlay: when it comes to wireless, it's often not about mobility, but simply reducing the spaghetti of wires. [23:46] Action: righteous has always wondered how you get a job working for the ominous big brother domestic spying network [23:46] wonder if anyone could really do useful acoustic analysis of my old clicky IBM keyboard (I can hear the difference between the spacebar and other keys...) [23:46] I think they're advertising on craigslist. [23:46] righteous: Trolling ##slackware not working for you? I can see how that would be confusing. [23:46] ananke: but the spaghetti would have been (used to be) routed behind the monitor & to the back of the PC, doesn't really get in the way anyway [23:47] Urchlay: best example is a newer imac: you have only one wire: power cord. it's just so refreshing to see so little clutter [23:47] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:47] jkwood:: i dont troll, i just dont let pushy people push. [23:47] Urchlay: it's not about getting in the way, but having to deal it with period. [23:48] and, there *are* wires: the remote receiver has a USB cable sticking out the back of it, it's about 5 feet long (which is 4 feet too long, and ended up wadded up in a bundle in the same place the keyboard/mouse cables would have occupied...) [23:48] 9:44 righteous> or did slackware just give up on perl? <- troll [23:48] aside from helping those snooping in you, you can also increase your % chance of getting brain cancer [23:48] ananke:: after asking around in various perl forums it's a valid question. [23:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:49] mancha: I think this thing is IR, not sure the cancer thing applies [23:49] righteous: it's pure trolling [23:49] ananke:: whats even more concerning is why that bothers me and not you. [23:49] ... [23:49] IR requires LOS right? [23:49] yah [23:50] i will admit bashing slackware in your first question about a possible bug is probably not the best way to start :P [23:50] lol agreed. i was pissed when i said that. [23:50] ohh, now he admits to trolling [23:51] american "pissed" (angry), or english "pissed" (drunk)? [23:51] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:51] Urchlay:: english with an american accent. [23:51] Baghdad (AP): A prominent linux developer was killed when a heat seeking missile intended for one of Saddam Hussein's arms depot locked in on the heat signature of his infrared wireless keyboard, instead. [23:51] anyway ananke i think what sets us apart is that im able to admit how i am wrong. [23:51] righteous: now that's just too funny. [23:52] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] must not be a class at vt for that. [23:53] hm. Current stable release of perl is 5.10.1, slackware 13 has 5.10.0, slackware-current has 5.10.1, so why would you think slackware's "given up on perl" anyway? [23:53] yay, you know how to do /whois. too bad it didn't tell you anything useful [23:54] Action: Urchlay is too lazy to upgrade to -current [23:54] Urchlay: because it suits his trolling. you keep forgetting that [23:54] ananke:: all i know is that i recognize the behaviours that created that situation and i see you engage in them. i saw kids do it in the bristol/kingsport area routinely too. its engrained in the culture. [23:54] moving towards an actual solution would take away from that. he needs to troll [23:55] I assume he has a point, even if I don't get it [23:55] he gets it. [23:55] actually he's got an actual solution already, so I dunno [23:55] righteous: next thing you'll think you know my race, age, gender, education and what i'm wearing, based on my physical location [23:55] (redundandly redundant use of actually actual in sentence above) [23:57] righteous: but please do, troll some more. and by all means, do not present any actual information relating to your problems. that would make too much sense, and you wouldn't get your daily dose of whining. [23:58] ananke, i hope you're not doing this just to piss him off [23:58] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] nachox: not at all. i'm presenting him with the opportunity to get technical assistance in this channel. he's failed to recognize that, over and over. instead, he's focused on assuming that i must be a student at vt, from this particular area. as it would add to his nonsense theories about me [23:59] ok, yeah. Net::Pcap 0.14 works with the libpcap 1.0.0 in slackware, 0.15 and up don't. Which is odd, if the reason is that libpcap is too *new* (I'd expect the older perl modules to fail with newer library, not the newer ones...) [23:59] how do i stop these dumb lines from appearing on my screen? [00:00] --- Mon Apr 5 2010