[00:02] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-104.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:02] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:04] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.175.137) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:05] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [00:05] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:06] artaud (Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left ##slackware. [00:07] hugh (~hugh@189.138.164.44) joined ##slackware. [00:07] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [00:08] hola [00:08] cabrones [00:08] hola tio [00:08] ?de donde eres? [00:08] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:08] vaya que aqui si contestan, soy mexicano jeje [00:08] (todos somos cabrones -- algunos mas que otros) [00:09] ?y que? usas slackware? [00:09] jaja claro , lo acabe de instalar no hace mas de una semana y ma va de maravilla [00:10] vale [00:10] vengo de Debian [00:10] ?hablas ingles? [00:10] no se me da mucho pero hay le hago ... [00:10] y vos como andas [00:10] english is the channel language... [00:11] yeah ... [00:11] i'm doing well [00:11] so you switched from debian to slackware... [00:11] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.175) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:11] why? [00:12] not that another slacker isn't a good thing, but i'm just curious [00:12] I want to experience new things [00:13] but slackware is now 20 years old :p [00:13] lol [00:13] nice [00:13] leaves and pull out my dictionary lol [00:13] hugh, ?te cuesta hablar ingles? [00:13] jeje tradition [00:13] si me cuesta algo [00:13] vale [00:13] no te preocupes [00:14] de donde eres [00:14] hugh: 'bout a week or so? How are you liking slackware? [00:14] yo soy estadounidense, de padres espanoles [00:14] wow, its been a long time since i studied spanish, im barely keeping up :p [00:14] vale [00:15] !vale! [00:15] lol [00:17] Mlanden > sorry ,, I really liked is more unix [00:17] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:17] true [00:18] not exactly, but it does conform to unix basics more [00:18] claro [00:18] interesting&. im MLanden talking? [00:19] besides that I like to experiment new things [00:19] hugh, ?estas en mexico? [00:19] is something so exciting to see running on your px [00:19] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [00:19] es decir, ?vives in mexico? [00:20] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [00:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:20] si , aqui resido [00:20] slak (~slak@189.58.25.121.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:20] desde nacimiento [00:20] ?eres del DF? [00:21] no exactamente pero estoy algo cerca de ahy [00:21] soy de M0r3los [00:21] hugh: ok....vale! [00:22] hombre, si las cosas siguen como van, todo el pais menos el yucatan sera parte del DF [00:22] je , tienes razon [00:23] hmm did I just join ##slackware-es or something? [00:23] back to english [00:23] hey BP{k} [00:23] howd shonudo :) [00:24] is interesting to chat with you [00:25] i'm not the one to do this exactly, but welcome to slackware and ##__ [00:26] so what's the biggest difference you've noticed moving from debian to slack? [00:27] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@dynamic-adsl-78-12-191-172.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [00:27] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@dynamic-adsl-78-12-191-172.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Client Quit [00:28] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@dynamic-adsl-78-12-191-172.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [00:28] because in reality there are severa [00:29] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:30] the package system is very different in terms of installation [00:31] apparently does not resolve dependencies [00:31] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:31] true [00:31] slackers ignore dependencies and depend on magic instead [00:31] :0 [00:31] joke [00:31] certainly try to do a dual boot and fail [00:32] dual debian/slack? [00:32] debian> shouldn't be that much of a problem [00:32] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [00:32] could do a chroot of one in another, too [00:32] it's just a matter of setting up the bootloader [00:32] no big, really [00:33] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:34] try it with lilo and grub2 [00:34] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] lilo is easier for me, but that's just what i'm used to [00:35] is that not a big problem but makes it a big problem xd [00:36] I have some experience managing the two versions of grub and lilo but apparently not enough to solve the problem [00:37] Sam__ (~Sam@cpe-24-93-139-177.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:37] just mount whatever partition you have debian on in lilo (it should work) [00:37] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:38] To be accurate in making / sbin / lilo [00:39] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Be excellent to each other. [00:39] I jump.> not found the path to the kernel or image [00:39] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:39] the last time i played with debian was something like "sarge" or so [00:39] not even sure that's right [00:40] maybe someone here can help you out and get it going [00:40] y creeme que no es un error typo [00:40] no, te lo creo [00:41] a ver si alguien te puede ayudar... [00:41] me detecta un disco IDE como un scsi [00:41] es decir en vez de hda es sda [00:42] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [00:42] vale, pero eso no importa [00:42] hda, sda... no importa [00:42] vale [00:43] lo intentare mas despues y espero no fallar de vuelta [00:43] olle , veo muchos conectados y porque no escriben [00:44] pocos lo hacen [00:44] no se por que [00:44] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) [00:44] ajajajajaja [00:45] hey pupit [00:45] btw, can you translate that for me? [00:45] hey shonudo :) [00:45] :) [00:45] hey [00:45] korg815 (~korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [00:45] last is, you dont know why or something.. [00:46] yup [00:46] im used to those Casandra movies.. :) [00:47] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:49] i wanted you to translate "ajajajajaja" [00:49] but i can sort of figure out what you meant [00:49] :) [00:49] nah its fine :) [00:50] (i WAS joking) [00:50] lol [00:50] lol [00:50] lol......eso! eso! eso! [00:50] you know, sarcasm, humor, and veiled extortion threats are SO hard to convey on IRC... [00:50] (sarcasm) [00:51] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@dynamic-adsl-78-12-191-172.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:51] i dont know what you mean, but i'll search in man pages [00:51] np... send me cash via PayPal in the meantime [00:52] :P [00:56] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:57] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] It seems like 2.6.35 kernel is working so far. At the very least, wireless works again :D [00:58] rirombo: great! [00:58] Hopefully I didn't remove something I needed :P [00:59] you know you can "open/load/whatever" your previous kernel conf [00:59] you'll see what's changed [01:00] and, if your previous compile was right, you'll not miss anything [01:00] I did use the config from the 2.6.33.4-generic kernel that shipped with 13.1, but then I removed probably 70% of modules I didn't need to cut down on compile time [01:00] good move (unless you find you need something later) [01:01] i sometimes add modules for things i think i might like to have in the future [01:01] I suppose it should be fairly obvious if I'm missing something :D [01:02] Well I think I had a great time with you [01:02] rirombo, seriously, it sounds like you're on top of this [01:02] Well, thank you :) [01:02] hugh: mucho gusto... ?ya te vas? [01:02] I have to go because it's a little late here [01:03] si , me voy . aqui ya es un poco tarde [01:03] vale, hasta pronto companero [01:03] saludos a todos y gracias , pase un buen rato con uds [01:03] bye [01:03] y nosotros con ti [01:03] ciao [01:04] hugh (~hugh@189.138.164.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:10] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [01:10] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:10] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:12] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:12] am0rphis (~qwe@79.124.237.189) left irc: Quit: am0rphis [01:13] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-92.temp.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:14] shonudo: un poco is little, tarde? [01:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-174-209.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] late, probably [01:16] right [01:17] pupit: "it's a little late" (un poco tarde) [01:18] ;) [01:18] sorry, "es un poco tarde" (es = it is) [01:19] shonudo: you can teach me spain, i could teach you hungarian :) [01:19] magyar? [01:19] seriously? [01:19] igen [01:19] :D [01:19] i'll take you up on that! [01:19] alles gut! :) [01:19] Nick change: Cuana -> Wulf-is-not-here [01:19] wow, a spanish conversation here, don't see that often heh [01:20] lol [01:20] wasn't sure how long the ops were going to permit that [01:20] but hugh is a slacker [01:20] and that should be enough [01:20] heh, yeah, i think there's a slackware-es just in case :) [01:20] hmmm... someone should have directed him to that [01:21] his english is a bit weak [01:21] [ot] http://www.littlegeorge.com/images/otforum/artshow/gwindevilgroup.jpg [01:21] well i'm a native spanish speaker so next time i'll pm him if necessary [01:22] gbonvehi: vale [01:22] ole! [01:22] hahaha [01:22] :D [01:22] lmao [01:22] !bravo, pupit! [01:22] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [01:23] gbonvehi: esa es la actitud :) [01:23] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:23] his english is better than my spanish :) [01:23] his english is very good, yes [01:24] that usually happens when you've to actually study the language and not learn it from experience [01:24] yeah, it's difficult [01:24] and english is just difficult [01:25] nah, it's all about practice, i learn reading english texts so, you just get used to it [01:25] and a god spel cheker is allways handy [01:25] lol [01:25] :D [01:25] pupit: only if you're writing to clients ;) [01:25] where are you from, gbonvehi? [01:25] argentina, and u? [01:26] i'm in the US [01:26] oh, nice [01:27] gbonvehi: how's the winter coming along? been close to 40 here in eastern US..now starting to cool off for August [01:27] it's very cold here right now, we've winds coming from antartica [01:27] most of the territory is under 0 celcius these days [01:28] it's winter [01:28] what part of argentina? [01:28] yeap, but it's not usually that cold everywhere heh [01:28] i'm on buenos aires right now, but moved here 3 years ago [01:29] i have always wanted to visit [01:29] beautiful city, according to those who have gone [01:29] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) joined ##slackware. [01:29] yeah, it's nice, lot of things to do everyday [01:30] and as you may see, we usually go to bed very late (2:27 am here), we prefer to go out and enjoy some food/beer [01:30] lo mismo en espana [01:31] yeah, that's what i've been told, i'll have to get there sometime, i just hope our currency could get some stability [01:31] indeed... the last economic collapse was epic [01:32] yeah, i saw it like a movie since i was in holiday on antartica, i didn't want to read the news but couldn't avoid it [01:33] and i just could bare news since it was a german ship and they didn't care that much hehe [01:33] when i got back it was a... disaster [01:33] it was like a movie [01:33] unfortunately, like a horror movie [01:33] yeap, i just hope we learn something from it [01:34] but well, i've internet, a computer with slackware [01:34] life couldn't be better [01:34] fAu (~fAu@78.134.6.96) joined ##slackware. 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[01:37] hah, don't worry, i lost some u$s i had in the bank since it was converted by force to our currency at 1.5 rate when it was actually at 4 [01:38] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-174-209.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:38] but well, that's life is what frank sinatra used to sing [01:38] yeah, you just move forward [01:39] el paro en espana esta al 20% [01:39] yeah, i read something on the news, but i try to avoid them since most of it is pesimistic heh [01:40] pessimistic for a reason, i think [01:40] things are bad [01:40] at some point, spanish is like we used to be before 2002, living inside a bubble, all thought they're were medium/high class [01:41] yes, i think you're right [01:41] sorry, spain [01:41] i understood [01:42] i don't know how it is in argentina, but in spain there is a huge "grey market" [01:42] estraperlo [01:42] and so the numbers don't reflect the reality [01:43] chance22 (~chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:43] mmm i don't we're ahead of that, you can see the reality just by going to the market, but the government won't accept it heh [01:43] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:44] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] from what i see, people there is still having a capitalism live, buying the latest, without seeing that they may have a problem in the feature [01:45] oh damn, future [01:46] s/live/life [01:46] in spain? yes, perhaps. we were the model for economic rehabilitation... the reality is different [01:47] all kidding aside, the problem is the EU and the euro [01:48] probably, there are a lot of countries with EU as the currency with the same value when they reality is totally different [01:48] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:48] just a guess, but i predict that in the next 18-24 months, there will be a number of opt-outs from the EU [01:49] it's unsustainable [01:49] i just hope they can find some other way to solve that, probably that would skyrocket the u$s to the skies [01:49] and we'll have another 2009 crisis [01:49] indeed [01:50] it's weird talking about economics in ##slackware, this is a weird day [01:50] heh [01:50] it is different [01:51] but well, if we see it from another perspective, nobody is having troubles with slackware :) [01:51] there were two contries that belonged in the EU (France and Germany)... [01:51] all the others lied to get in [01:51] it was a real temptation for all of them [01:51] it was [01:51] i guess if argentina was closer it'd have tried too hahah [01:52] lol [01:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.105.100) joined ##slackware. [01:52] well, while it lasts, it's nice to be able to travel across countries with the same currency, it's easier to have exchanges, it's actually something good [01:53] there are advantages [01:53] had a would-be in-law that lived in germany when the euro came into force...his words: "well, there goes the deutch mark, next thing, we'll be invading france" [01:54] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] haha [01:55] he went on to explain that germany solved its economic problems by raping french women [01:55] clint- (~clint@pdpc/supporter/active/clint-) joined ##slackware. [01:56] and that belgium built them a highway for the next invasion [01:56] lmao [01:56] hello people [01:56] heya [01:57] always been interested in slackware [01:57] hahha, he had an interesting pov [01:57] hi clint- [01:57] the best comment i can recall was a french diplomat asked about german reunification (c.1990): [01:57] hey gbonvehi [01:57] he said:"i love germany so much, i wish there were three of them" [01:57] work with a system that I guess was based or a german translation of slackware :), [01:58] shonudo: lol [01:58] clint-: suse? [01:58] for a while and others, but always still interested to mess with slackware itself [01:58] how did you know [01:58] german" :P [01:58] clint-: haha gmbh! [01:58] clint-: if you know a little about the console, it's pretty straightforward [01:58] I have since it was Novell Linux Desktop and based off suse 9, but also many other platforms [01:59] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-7.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby [01:59] was reading though, they were waiting on bug fixes too much so they kind of really changed it [01:59] but slackware I think has done so much more eh :) [01:59] kind of sad to see back track have ubuntu base.. ;) [01:59] clint, what you won't get is YUM or similar [01:59] yum, yast [01:59] well, have worked with for quite some time with debian and gentoo [01:59] clint-: that's the point of distributions, choose the one that fits you best [01:59] from 2005 - 2007 [02:00] I was interested in LFS but not sure if I have the time :P [02:00] gbonvehi, yep [02:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [02:00] so slackware uses compression like binaries eh [02:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.105.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:00] kind of like a lzma compressed system? [02:00] or tar.gz etc [02:00] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:00] this is my perception of what I have looked at.. [02:00] well, slackware can be a real mixture since you usually build non standard packages yourself or by using a slackbuild which is just a bash script [02:01] .txz right now, yeap, lzma [02:01] I see [02:01] ah ;) [02:01] curious to what password encryption it uses by default [02:01] I prefer blowfish, but others I know use MD5 or DES [02:01] and, as you may've learnt from compiling yourself is that you don't automagically get the dependencies :) [02:01] which blowfish is a lot stronger than MD5 and hehe, FreeBSD default is MD5 [02:02] really paranoid security person too ;) [02:02] mmm what are u talking about? [02:02] slackware deafult password encryption? [02:02] i mean, using encyprtion where, oh [02:02] or is that just something you have to specify [02:02] password encryption for /etc/passwd [02:03] I know some store it on servers and stuff [02:03] I'm really amazed at how fast slackware.org loads.. :P [02:03] md5 by default [02:03] its like .02 milliseconds [02:03] I see [02:03] but you can change it in login.defs [02:03] well at least its not DES [02:04] DES is default [02:04] DES3 isn't that bad [02:04] I see it has something slackware for ARM, that would be cool if I could get it on my archos 605 wifi :) [02:04] i probably changed it then [02:04] yeah, 3DES is mature [02:04] and I mean gee, they can make it to where a linux distribution runs on a PS3 which has that Cell architecture, but not on an archos :P [02:05] im pretty sure linux runs on the archos [02:05] I actually use encryption settings for a decentralized network which it uses Rijndael AES by default trhodes , [02:05] cool [02:05] but also you can use RC6, Cast, misty etc and more [02:05] I use blowfish on it though [02:05] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:06] but I have a pretty good knowledge of how encryption works and cryptograhy [02:06] I'm actually trying to put together like a tripple layer encryption method [02:06] I know it might sound crazy, but not to me :) [02:06] ipsec is a nice example of that [02:07] of what I'm working on? [02:07] if a triple layer encryption method [02:07] ipsec itself doesn't do it, but coupled with a VPN it becomes a triple layer protocol [02:07] well its designed for the Internet PRotocol security [02:07] I know about ipsec for sometime.. [02:08] yeah, its not a new protocol [02:08] i'm focused with data security but I still am focused highly with internet security and network security as well, have been [02:08] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-144-10.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Later,folks!! [02:08] network security is data security [02:08] 1 thing as well, I explore the worlds with systems, but always wanted to get into slackware, in fact when I build my new workstation [02:08] if its not secured in transit might as well not secure it anywhere else [02:09] I will try exploring it for myself and setting it up see what I think [02:09] gniks, yes... [02:09] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] I have a sonicwall TZ 170 SP gniks brand new still in box, but I might setup a low profile pfsense box or something else.. [02:09] Uh oh, it's clint-... [02:10] eh, im a cisco guy myself [02:10] ryuranger (~tmsuarez@187.7.99.201) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:10] going to try and sell it perhaps, but if not, I might setup it up anyways it will be better then my speed stream 5100, which the Chinees were hijacking on mandriva anyways, and the 2wire got totally pwnd [02:10] uh oh its Motoko-chan :D [02:10] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:10] are ya gniks [02:10] mhmm [02:10] ryuranger (~tmsuarez@187.7.99.201) joined ##slackware. [02:11] well, I been studying with a ton of diff stuff lately, but who knows, however the thing is.. I' don't really care about all the other services to activate, as the device itself runs from $450 - $800 etc [02:11] really comes down to as well the security of your system* [02:11] the system itself too* [02:12] activate only what you use [02:12] and even though I havn't used slackware I already got the hugest hunch it has great security by default [02:12] depends on what your doing [02:12] yeah, slack is pretty secure out of the box [02:12] well nice thing nyRednek , the sw has 6000 firewall policies by default, blocks all ports by default, accept 1's you need to access the gateway and configure it [02:12] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:12] mainly because it doesn't enable unnecessary services by default [02:12] deep packet inspection, IP/IP range blocking, CIDR, hostnames, mac addresses etc [02:13] and you know if something or a host doesn't seem right to you and you nmap and see, oh there trying to exploit so many services.. [02:13] well you take iptraf, wireshark and be like, eh mac blocked :) [02:13] or range, etc.. cidr, subnet/24 [02:13] gniks, nice [02:13] I'm already been kind of getting stoked about it [02:13] cisco stuff does all that, it also has IDS type of detection built in [02:13] gniks, yep I know [02:13] :) [02:14] I almost bought a watchguard [02:14] but I got a steal on this sonicwall [02:14] I did an unboxing of it, from techforless, but I lost my frickin 2gb kingston SD :( [02:14] watchguard isn't cisco [02:14] it has a built in ADSL modem in it [02:14] and thats the thing I want to do away with the speed stream , [02:14] The old Watchguard X1000 boxes make nice embedded units when you reflash. [02:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.143.245) joined ##slackware. [02:15] I'm using one with pfSense at work. [02:15] I had to stop using the 2wire, because I found exploits in it. and reported them to US-CERT , and even went as far as talking to IP Joint task force security [02:15] but its too bad I don't live in the UK and they only manage DoD networks as far as usa is concerned [02:15] 2wire is a poor excuse for a company [02:15] they are [02:15] you would be blown away if I showed you a screenshot [02:15] or logs .. :) [02:15] lol, i used ot have one too [02:15] Action: Motoko-chan prefers to continue sitting [02:15] quickly repalced that with cisco gear [02:16] I told them, and pleaded to talk to there supervisors but the thing as well I'm going to present something to them in Court [02:16] My firewall used to be IBM. [02:16] and I think its going to go a Federal Court although i wish I could get Julian Assunge involved :P [02:16] hello Motoko-chan btw [02:16] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:16] Um, hello. [02:16] Motoko-chan, hows the security now in Mdv 2010.1 [02:16] how are you taking them to court over vulnerabilities? [02:16] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:16] I seen you all added tomoyo linux [02:16] Welcome to ##slackware, where the ops don't take shit. [02:16] Tomoyo has been in for a while. [02:16] ah [02:16] I'm still running 2010.0 on most of my stuff. [02:17] not sure why I started having back luck with 2010.0 m8 [02:17] nothin beforehand with previous [02:17] I migrated my desktop for package building first. Finally got mplayer built, which was the last step. [02:17] ah [02:17] draconian linux is an interesting concept [02:17] ah so pretty much for building, yeah I was reading Motoko-chan , you know about mdv, how its good for coders, [02:18] So, Windows 7 rocks. [02:18] Action: Motoko-chan trolls badly [02:18] Action: nyRednek isn't trolling... [02:18] Slackware is good for coders [02:18] draconian is slackware-based [02:18] heck I have talked with autopsy though and he states, if its not red hat , fedora, its a knock off.. [02:18] nyRednek, the one with pkgsrc ? [02:18] trhodes: yeah [02:18] but hehe I had debates well slackware was orig :P [02:18] knock off? [02:18] and SuSE kind of too [02:18] so he agreed [02:19] Debian and Slackware are the oldest surving continuously-maintained distros. [02:19] I don't think linus intended for there to be just 1 distribution :) [02:19] SuSE started off based on Slackware. [02:19] me knows [02:19] yep, the german translation :) [02:19] Motoko-chan: it is essentially a bsd with a linux kernel and a slackware-derived installer [02:19] nyRednek, hmmm [02:19] nyRednek, slick stuff ;) [02:19] Sounds like some bizare creature. [02:19] Like Debian with the OpenSolaris kernel. [02:20] Motoko-chan: again, interesting concept [02:20] I do infact enjoy openSOLARIS, FreeBSD, and I would like to actually before I hit 30 try openBSD [02:20] Or maybe OS with Hurd. [02:20] Oracle is killing OS, so don't get too involved. [02:20] yeah I havn't been too much Motoko-chan [02:20] just when I'm bored [02:20] Motoko-chan: oracle is killing solaris? [02:20] Action: Motoko-chan has DVDs of Solaris 7, 8, and 10 [02:20] Pressed CDs. [02:21] nyRednek, well, OpenSolaris. [02:21] I plan on setting up a system with my openSuSE using btrfs [02:21] will see how that goes [02:21] Motoko-chan: it's not really easy to unring the bell [02:21] They are moving Solaris to trial-only unless you have a license. [02:21] i'm planing to pulish slackware :P [02:21] nyRednek, it is when key parts are still closed. [02:21] Motoko-chan: since there are now several opensolaris distros out [02:21] if I have too many issues well then its back to ext4, although I did like ReiserFS, heh.. Kind of sad how that guy doesn't have much remorse :P [02:21] slackware has btrfs tools in testing/ [02:21] Unix, Solaris, etc. are infected OSes. [02:21] Like most of the libc it uses. [02:22] another thing too nyRednek I met this guy once, was a big time slackware user ,but guess where he went to [02:22] Ubuntu? [02:22] who knows you all might of knew him, his name was Zack and he worked for Computer Deli [02:22] Action: Motoko-chan shudders [02:22] how did you frickin guess Motoko-chan ! [02:22] clint-: i've been a slacker since 1996 [02:22] when he told me I was like wft [02:22] wtf [02:22] Because. [02:22] I have the booklet off an old Walnut Creek Slackware CD. [02:23] trhodes, yeah I plan on slackware being another system I experiment with :) [02:23] neat :) [02:23] currently I have residential and business customers though running either mandriva or openSUSE [02:23] No CD though. [02:23] and its been this way for a long time [02:23] ext2 -> ext3 -> ext4 -> btrfs it's evolution, i'm being objection of the ram-suckage of ZFS. [02:23] not sure if slackware is something I want to support to the customers :P [02:23] NetApp is also suing Oracle over ZFS. [02:23] Patents of some kind. [02:23] Motoko-chan, yeah? [02:24] thats some bs eh [02:24] slackware should follow by the same working polished way. [02:24] http://blogs.netapp.com/dave/2007/09/netapp-sues-sun.html [02:24] netapp has been suing over zfs for some time [02:24] Motoko-chan: interesting...freebsd also has zfs [02:24] Note the 2007 in that URL [02:24] freebsd and solaris use the same kernel license [02:24] Slackware is easy to support. [02:24] I know two BIG clients using it. [02:24] or at least a compatible one [02:24] worldhlord: slackware is polished as well as it should be...don't like the level of polish? fork your own [02:24] Patrick Volkerding [02:24] he's german though isn't he [02:25] sounds like it :) [02:25] Action: clint- drinks Erdinger ;) [02:25] He used to live in California. [02:25] is he german though? [02:25] or Family at least [02:25] nobody can steal Slackware as somebody did to Unix [02:25] Motoko-chan: s/used to// [02:25] he may be of german decent, but he is american [02:25] nyRednek: I like that. Should be a motto: "Don't like it? Fork your own!" [02:25] I see [02:25] worldhlord, lol [02:25] Somebody stole Unix? [02:25] you mean from AT&T bell labs [02:26] then started what, System V, or heh then from Caldera into SCO [02:26] speaking of...have you guys seen plan9 in action? [02:26] meh, SCO doesn't even let you download a trial [02:26] :P [02:26] SysV was from ATT. [02:26] and its expensive like sh** [02:26] BSD was a kinda fork. [02:26] heck they havn't even updated 7.1.3 [02:26] Bell Labs's Plan9 is going to a kind of paralization [02:26] well came out with a diff ver [02:26] Haven't played much with P9. [02:26] but I guess because it runs stable.. ;) [02:26] nyRednek, i thought some enormous LLNL or LANL supercomputer uses it [02:26] ah so I was right about sys v being with att [02:27] Plan9 is dying much there, respect to linux. [02:27] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [02:27] trhodes: it works on intel hardware [02:27] yeah [02:27] hey I appreciate the fact you all can compare things and discuss things.. [02:27] trhodes: and the source is downloadable [02:27] Back in the old days, Berkley made modifications to AT&T UNIX and gave them out to other license holders. [02:27] slackware is something I really can't wait to try [02:27] Eventually they released tapes of their own utilities. [02:27] clint-: download the dvd and enjoy [02:27] I just need to build my new workstation and I'm getting a new notebook soon.. not sure if I will go thinkpad again, but I think I'm going with a macbook pro, and I have many reasons :) [02:27] That's how the *BSDs eventually got started. [02:27] its easier to install eh :P my [02:27] and the hidden parts of AT&T Unix are somewhere in govt [02:27] nyRednek, [02:27] or do I have to pull a gentoo :P [02:28] blue gene/l has a plan9 port [02:28] Solaris was based off BSD. [02:28] Back when it was SunOS. [02:28] clint-: www.slackware.com ...visit it...caress it...love it... [02:28] (Still is internally) [02:28] well maybe I'll create a virtual machine for it and test it :) [02:28] but I will test it standalone as well [02:28] everyones should love Slackware [02:28] I'm on it :P [02:28] Motoko-chan: they haven't released a new sunos in a while [02:28] nyRednek, 10.0 is still latest afaik. [02:29] nyRednek, I visit it often :) [02:29] I enjoy how fast it loads.. ;) [02:29] its like visiting .. freebsd.org ;) [02:29] Motoko-chan: sunos is still in 2.6 afaik, solaris just includes sunos 2.6 along with extra tools [02:29] I guess so. [02:29] well take that back, slackware.com loads fast as heck, faster then both sites [02:29] Although Solaris has kinda subsumed SunOS. [02:29] well I see as well its because its pretty much text based.. [02:29] Solaris 10 = SunOS 2.10 or something like that. [02:30] I would say its in php eh? [02:30] i never really noticed, but yeah, it does load fast [02:30] Motoko-chan: ok... [02:30] nyRednek, [02:30] slackware site in php? [02:30] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:30] "The SunOS name is usually only used to refer to versions 1.0 to 4.1.4 of SunOS. These versions were based on BSD, while SunOS version 5.0 and later are based on UNIX System V Release 4, and are marketed under the brand name Solaris." [02:30] clint-: i never thought to check [02:30] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-45-106.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:30] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173.156.168.95) joined ##slackware. [02:30] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:30] Motoko-chan: ok, i was wrong... [02:31] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.143.245) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:31] I'll nmap it :P [02:31] what's up guys [02:31] "The SunOS minor version is included in the Solaris release number; for example, Solaris 2.4 incorporated SunOS 5.4. After Solaris 2.6, Sun dropped the "2." from the number, so Solaris 7 incorporates SunOS 5.7, and the latest release SunOS 5.10 forms the core of Solaris 10." [02:31] So, 5.10 [02:31] hopefully slackware won't blacklist me [02:31] =) [02:31] can someone help me with wicd and adhoc network [02:31] Motoko-chan, its really good to see you m8 [02:31] clint-, best to not probe servers you don't own. [02:31] well I just want to see what its running :P [02:32] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-187.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] I'm guessing php [02:32] Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.1 [02:32] php is very fast code [02:32] what was it, north dakota, where there was a big hoopla ? [02:32] Motoko-chan, is not it to reverse? SunOS 1.0 to 4.1.4 of SunOS are based on Unix System V Release 4, and since SunOS v5.0 and later are based on BSD? [02:32] yep :D [02:32] It's in the Server: header.... [02:32] worldhlord, nope. [02:32] ah .. ;P [02:32] SunOS was BSD-based. [02:32] just cause PHP is a loaded Apache module, doesn't mean that its a PHP page [02:32] wheres my mind ;) [02:32] Solaris is a weird blend of BSD and SysV. [02:32] what did I get started .. ;P [02:32] the new slackware package browser is being done in django a python framework [02:33] sorry #slackware [02:33] the site itself is probably headed that direction if it already isn't [02:33] I seem to recall Sun being involved in the whole BSD UNIX lawsuit. [02:33] its nice to see a linux group of people though who are open minded and optimistic [02:33] what is messed up is that sco claims to have cancelled ibm's unix license for aix, os/400, os/390 [02:33] My site is in PHP using Sapphire. [02:33] Action: clint- loves that in people [02:33] Motoko-chan, [02:33] I want to create a website for my business [02:33] SCO also claimed they owned Linux... [02:33] can one of you guys help me out quick [02:33] but I am not that slick with coding websites [02:34] I do have the books and tons of them, just time* [02:34] Motoko-chan: that they claimed [02:34] I claim I'm from a clan of samurai warriors. [02:34] Doesn't make it true. [02:34] Motoko-chan, your kidding [02:34] they will never own linux where did they state that [02:34] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] gobi42, try to ask. [02:34] gobi42: whats up? i haven't setup adhoc networks with linux, but ill try to help [02:34] Motoko-chan, i claim that i'm alone in house. [02:34] clint-: you can still pay sco for a license to use any of the code sco claims to own that is included in linux [02:34] you know what i think too, when companies and people state, windows is still used by 90% of the wrold [02:34] world* [02:34] clint-, what are you looking at? A CMS might work for you. [02:35] thats where they are wrong* [02:35] wicd won't optian an ip address it disconets any idea [02:35] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [02:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [02:35] when using an adhoc network? [02:35] i didn't pay $666 to SCO [02:35] some systems are not even reported and some are unknown because people mask there kernels off etc [02:35] yes [02:35] nyRednek, I would rather work with LFS [02:35] :) [02:35] it sees it and trys to connects says getting ip address and then fails [02:35] clint-, with gcc 4.5.1 [02:36] im pretty sure you need to assign an IP address with an adhoc network& since you don't have a DHCP server somewhere on the adhoc network to assign you one [02:36] clint-: they will claim that you're still using some of their proprietary code [02:36] well actually worldhlord I'm working on an a.i. project [02:36] to introduce into the linux kernel that I"ll be making a custom deal of, [02:36] i'm in a math project [02:36] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5512.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] very complex [02:36] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:36] because a lot of other stuff I'm going to add, that actually I don't think will be so easily for someone to install with a default kernel [02:36] worldhlord, ah? [02:36] i tried do that in the add adhoc network tab i use 192.168.10.10 [02:36] Good luck forking the kernel. [02:36] Math is something I'm rebrushing on [02:37] and 192.192.192.1 [02:37] both failed [02:37] gobi42: 192.192 is not a private range, so don't sue that [02:37] use* [02:37] 192.192.192.192, who owned it? [02:37] me and the millions of others nyRednek :D [02:37] let em claim ;) [02:37] gobi42: how did it fail? [02:37] it just disconets [02:37] worldhlord, IANA? [02:37] does iwconfig show the device with the IP address you assigned? [02:37] :P [02:37] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [02:38] internet assigned numbers authority etc :P [02:38] what is the whole line or is iwconfig it [02:38] just iwconfig [02:38] NetName: APNIC-ERX-192-192-0-0 [02:38] palyndrome IPs are an advantage, they are error-tolerant to misconfusion of numbers [02:38] APNIC owns 192.192.0.0/16 [02:38] TCP/IP is messed up anyways :) [02:38] worldhlord: IPs are not tolerant of misconfiguration when you are configuring BGP [02:39] we need a whole new type of topology [02:39] it shows wlan0 but no ip adress but it shows my adhoc network [02:39] network topology* [02:39] mesh ? [02:39] gniks, but palyndrome IPs are. [02:39] clint-: i am in favor of releasing sco's OpenServer 6 for public consumption [02:39] and nyRednek who will clame that :P [02:39] SCO? [02:39] Level3 has a DNS server at 4.2.2.4 [02:39] not if they aren't in a private range they arn't :p [02:39] clint-: not to mention unixware [02:40] maybe I make special >---|--> plane trip to them :) [02:40] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [02:40] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [02:40] gobi42: what you use pastebin to show me your iwconfig output? [02:40] the slackware user guy I met years ago, said.. heh, it doesn't even have tab completion [02:40] but he also said, it could be coded to have it [02:40] there is a cell number 02:7b:8a or some crap [02:40] it's in extra/ [02:40] What doesn't? [02:40] unixware [02:40] oh [02:40] sure will just a sec [02:40] not sure what version he was referring to though [02:40] Oh, it's likely the default shell. [02:41] ash didn't afaik. [02:41] ah , prob Motoko-chan [02:41] gobi42: give me ifconfig output too [02:41] clint-: tab completion is something you can get with a different shell [02:41] nyRednek, you are? [02:41] I think this doesn't either: http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/sh.html [02:41] clint-: iirc, the bourne shell is pretty basic [02:41] clint-: i am what? [02:41] clint-: i am in favor of releasing sco's OpenServer 6 for public consumption [02:41] clint-: yeah, actually cost them license fees [02:42] you know what too is so puzzling, you can't even find unixware on torrentz [02:42] or anything, [02:42] "The Bourne shell provides job control if it is invoked as jsh and runs on a terminal. Of course, it lacks fancy features such as a command history, command line completion, etc." [02:42] I guess they protect it so well and swear to a secret society thing [02:42] ;P [02:42] It's because nobody cares about it. [02:42] ah ^_^ [02:42] Please no warez talk in here. [02:42] well I was just stating [02:42] I wanted to at least try it out.. a long time ago [02:43] I didn't want to pay how much they were asking for it.. and I thought it was lame.. to pay that much [02:43] Motoko-chan: i wasn't offering warez, just sayin', someone should give them something to actually bitch about [02:43] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:43] nah, wasn't pressing the issue Motoko-chan [02:43] was just stating [02:43] Action: Motoko-chan needs to start getting ready for sleep [02:43] I enjoy using my systems, that I use and work with.. [02:43] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:43] and I do like mac os x too.. [02:43] no offense* [02:43] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-69-167.kotinet.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:43] I like Windows 7! [02:44] nah [02:44] are you serious [02:44] It's like something sweet! [02:44] muaha [02:44] Totally! [02:44] The theme support is rad! [02:44] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] http://pastebin.com/0gy6qrKk [02:44] openSuSE/mandrake/MacOSX/ and perhaps slackware will be added [02:44] and moto its still mdk to me [02:45] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-96-14.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:45] hehe maybe I should go back and start coding with mdk before it switched :P [02:45] damn didn't see that second one [02:45] although I would be on a solo mission [02:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-246-223.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] gobi42: its fine [02:45] or I could use annvix ;P [02:45] try this [02:45] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [02:45] ifconfig wlan0 192.168.20.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 [02:45] you all notice something too, I guess with gnome changing, gdm theme managers have been obsolete now? [02:45] clint-, start with SLS [02:46] you can still use it? [02:46] Define "use" [02:46] Motoko-chan: sls? that's still being made? [02:46] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-69-167.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [02:46] what I really want to do is.. become an expert at bash writing.. perhaps perl or whatever else is good [02:47] No [02:47] I need to advance myself even higher than I am [02:47] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:47] The official Nanami Madobe Windows 7 theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kesB6Oe2irM [02:47] got all the books I could ever dream of having Motoko-chan . [02:47] clint-: bash scripting is pretty basic [02:47] just need to read more.. I do, but I need to read more *** [02:47] yeah I wrote some scripts already [02:47] many [02:47] I like anime and all, but the sounds get very annoying. [02:47] gobi42: i assume you are trying to share wireless wiht your android phone? [02:47] and perl isn't that hard either [02:47] I in fact wrote a nice script for compiling compiz and the fusion packages from git back in 2007 [02:47] perl sucks, use python ;) [02:47] if you look on pastebin.ca and type in clintsnet, you will see the script I wrote [02:48] but I did have some help [02:48] its when compiz was merging with beryl too [02:48] that merge was a nightmare [02:48] need to make something nyRednek , I'm puzzled the fact I can only change my background image in gdm on openSuSE 11.2 [02:48] do you all have a nice gdm theme manager if you want? [02:48] or have to use CLI to change it.. :S [02:49] yes i am lol what gave it away [02:49] Action: clint- we don't have it :S [02:49] Why not start experimenting with Slackware instead of talking in here? [02:49] clint-: are your eyes brown? [02:49] well gniks I merged it :P [02:49] and it it just netmask or sub netmask [02:49] Slackware doesn't ship GNOME. [02:49] true [02:49] yeah.. -_- [02:49] clint-: are your eyes brown? [02:49] thats what I see, KDE default eh [02:49] nyRednek, no.. >_< [02:49] Can anyone think of a reason why some fonts stopped showing after I upgraded Xorg? [02:49] sorry I got off on a tangent [02:49] In particular, AR PL UMing and UKai [02:50] clint-: should be, you're absolutely full of shit [02:50] Action: Motoko-chan delays sleep, makes popcorn [02:50] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:50] okay if thats the way you feel.. [02:50] clint- (clint@pdpc/supporter/active/clint-) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:50] netmask: no such divece [02:50] oh hell, one minor flame and the guy bitches out? [02:50] Action: Motoko-chan ighs [02:51] Darn, I made all this popcorn too... [02:51] hehe [02:51] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [02:51] s/ighs/sighs/ [02:51] nyRednek, welcome to clint-vile [02:51] ville [02:51] He'll be back. [02:51] dude's a pussy [02:51] He's in #suse as well. [02:51] Action: nyRednek stumbles off to get another super beer [02:52] talking about making a script frontend to manage gdm themes [02:52] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:52] fAu (~fAu@78.134.6.96) left irc: Quit: 42 [02:53] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] lol [02:53] He used to be in #mandriva [02:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZekxI21_14 <-- This is why Windows will win in Japan [02:53] Linux needs a cute girl mascot for the moe factor. [02:53] Sadly, the Linux-tans are all kinda ugly... [02:54] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.155.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:54] Motoko-chan: Or a cute boy mascot [02:54] fire|bird: why do you need a script for gdm themes? [02:55] nyRednek, imho, you don't. :P [02:55] rirombo, in general, OS-tans are female. [02:55] What is this -tan suffix? [02:55] yeah, i wanna know :) [02:55] rirombo: did you upgrade your Xorg to 1.8 that rworkman built? [02:55] gniks: I did indeed [02:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-tan [02:55] what was the font issue you were seeing? cause ive been testing it and haven't seen any issues :\ [02:56] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.155.109) joined ##slackware. [02:57] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.131.122) joined ##slackware. [02:58] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:58] gniks: Well, sometimes xfontsel and emacs running in urxvt wont' update the screen properly (text remains on the screen where it shouldn't). So far I haven't seen that happen again since I upgraded the kernel. [02:58] ah, i don't use emacs :p [02:58] gniks: However, some of my non-western fonts are still not displaying at all, like I metnioned. [02:59] hmm, i don't use those either :P [02:59] interesting issues though [02:59] rirombo: did you read the NOTES file? :) [02:59] Indeed :) [02:59] wonder if thats an upgrade issue or an Xorg issue [03:00] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-23-179.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-246-223.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:02] I don't know. I'm going to try and reinstall the fonts and see if that helps. [03:02] yeah [03:03] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:07] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [03:13] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-187.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:14] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [03:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-127-152.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-240-9.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] iceheart: ? [03:46] archceza1 (1000@avx144.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:48] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:49] archcezar (1000@bfh42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:49] no, something build in kernel, gniks [03:49] if its built in, you have to recompile the kernel [03:53] gniks: only this way? [03:53] yeah [03:53] or blacklist [03:53] powtrix: what? [03:53] black list stops the kernel from loading modules&, i didn't think it actually stopped a compiled in feature from loading [03:54] but you could try it [03:54] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:54] add "blacklist " to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [03:54] gniks: "md: If you don't use raid, use raid=noautodetect" [03:55] gniks:this could stop kernel to detect raid, what about others? [03:56] you'd have to look up the kernel options for that feature [03:56] not all of them have kernel options [03:57] gniks: oh, i see [03:58] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:59] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-112-11-43.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:59] woh3 (~will@74.4.129.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:02] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-112-11-43.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. 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I'm hoping that will help :) [04:27] rirombo: i wish could give you some help [04:28] iceheart: I think it's some kind of a fluke, since I seem to be the only one with problems :D Thank you anyway! [04:28] snL20: your tty1 didn't work? [04:29] alkos333 (~alkos333@68.30.99.231) joined ##slackware. [04:29] (¢:) [04:31] iceheart: ttyl as in talk to you later ;) [04:31] iceheart: :) [04:32] :) [04:32] phrag: are you around ? [04:33] hmmmm 17 hours idle ... I guess not =P [04:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@68.30.99.231) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:34] Krasi (~Krasi@77.78.62.76) joined ##slackware. [04:34] Krasi (Krasi@77.78.62.76) left ##slackware. [04:45] rirombo (~rirombo@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:47] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.27.124) joined ##slackware. [04:53] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Bah, it turns out that the font issues have nothing to do with rworkman's upgrade. Or at least not directly, since I still have the same issues after downgrading. [04:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.27.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:58] get (~get@unaffiliated/get) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:59] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:00] :( [05:02] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Quit: shonudo [05:02] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:02] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [05:02] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [05:04] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5512.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:05] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5512.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. 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When running "/etc/rc.d/rc.bind start", it seems to start normally, but "ps aux | grep bind" shows that it's not running... Where can I look for clues? [05:29] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [05:29] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:30] Cyntrox: look for named rather than bind [05:30] ps ax |grep named [05:31] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.116.212) got netsplit. [05:31] goj (~goj@p5488FBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit. [05:31] pim_ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) got netsplit. [05:31] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) got netsplit. [05:31] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) got netsplit. [05:31] Guest32254 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) got netsplit. [05:31] blondais (~agris@mail.biko.lv) got netsplit. [05:31] stinky (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-qmggledgowmcimjp) got netsplit. [05:31] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) got netsplit. 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I think it causes increasing cpu use as movies play [05:44] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [05:46] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-101-221.w92-156.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:47] goj (~goj@p5488FBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-133-197.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:48] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] gundam_ (~gundam@95.234.221.95) joined ##slackware. [05:52] gundam_ (~gundam@95.234.221.95) left irc: Client Quit [05:52] donzauker (~donzauker@95.234.221.95) joined ##slackware. [05:52] donzauker (~donzauker@95.234.221.95) left irc: Client Quit [05:53] donzauker (~donzauker@95.234.221.95) joined ##slackware. [05:53] normally, it's your movie playing that's causing the increase in the load [05:53] in a cli - type "top" and see what's hogging your cpu [05:54] foobarz: ^^ [05:55] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:57] alisonken1lap: yeah, I looked at top and things... the cpu use is in kernel-space like in a driver, not actually the application, which is user-space cpu usage... I deleted my .asoundrc file and the high cpu usage is not happening now... it seems that using my .asoundrc file is the cause, so I am now wondering what is wrong with it [05:57] donzauk3r (~donzauker@95.234.221.95) joined ##slackware. [05:57] donzauker (~donzauker@95.234.221.95) left irc: Client Quit [05:57] donzauk3r (~donzauker@95.234.221.95) left irc: Client Quit [05:58] xNiGHt360 (d4192fbc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.25.47.188) joined ##slackware. [05:59] hello [06:00] alisonken1lap: I played a movie in xine and mplayer, and with different video output drivers, and with different xorg settings none of that made a difference... but I delete .asoundrc and problem is gone... but that .asoundrc did some useful stuff but it must be wrong somehow, triggering alsa bug I guess [06:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.53.192) joined ##slackware. [06:09] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.53.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:12] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.36.240) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:14] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.34.129) joined ##slackware. [06:15] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [06:15] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:15] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. 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Someone can point me in the right direction? [07:14] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:14] dickensc: https://www.duckduckgo.com [07:18] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2151e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [07:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-118-228.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [07:20] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:21] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [07:21] sahnko: what kind of search engine is that, is it new? [07:22] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:22] hello [07:22] is there a way to force postfix to use only TLS in his communications ? [07:22] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:24] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. 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[07:33] WildWizard, ok I will check [07:36] delt0r_ (~delt0r@188-22-170-106.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:36] sahnko: duckduckgo.com is no good for xxx searches [07:37] delt0r___ (~delt0r@188-22-170-97.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:38] WildWizard, the option is smtpd_enforce_tls = yes [07:38] thank you ! [07:39] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [07:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.27.124) joined ##slackware. [07:46] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [07:48] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [07:48] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [07:49] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [07:51] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-96-14.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:52] is there a howto for having several ppp peers in slackware? 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[08:53] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:55] I'm having strange problems with slack64 multilib and skype [08:55] can't make it record audio through the mic [08:55] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435179.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435179.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:02] Nick change: terry -> Guest99119 [09:03] FDCX (0@188.25.228.247) joined ##slackware. [09:03] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:03] FDCX kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [09:04] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-96-14.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[09:49] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:50] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Nick change: revel0___ -> revel0 [09:53] revel0__ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:55] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [09:55] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.210.238) joined ##slackware. [09:56] who here optimises packages using CFLAGS? [09:56] hiptobecubic: [09:56] tsccof: uh.. everyone. [09:56] hiptobecubic: fingerfail [09:57] Zordrak: cool, let us keep it that way! joke, I made a script to make it more practical [09:57] Zordrak: no big deal though, it is a tad obvious [09:58] tsccof: its a core part of pretty much every slackbuild [09:58] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Zordrak: are they tuned for i486? [09:59] bigpaws (~bigpaws@173-86-69-124.bras0-epix.clsm.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] tsccof: primarily, yes slackware (32bit) is i486 tuned [10:01] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:03] tsccof: FWIW, Pat is mulling the idea of going to i586 or i686 for the next major release.. but hasn't committed himself yet and may stick with i486. [10:03] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl13-200-145.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Unless anyone el/se here has heard anything more recent. [10:04] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-133-13.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:06] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:07] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.210.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:07] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-156-16.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:09] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl13-184-130.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:09] Destructo (41585838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.56) joined ##slackware. [10:09] fb|jean (~champus@s15224318.onlinehome-server.info) left irc: Quit: Serverwechsel [10:10] fb|jean (~champus@s15224318.onlinehome-server.info) joined ##slackware. [10:10] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:11] i have a pcmcia wireless adapter. when i do iwconfig it shows up as wlan0. how can i get it online ..? [10:11] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Destructo: man wicd [10:13] bah [10:14] k. [10:14] Destructo: install wicd from the /extra directory in the slackware DVD/mirror [10:14] then you shoul [10:14] d get the docs [10:15] i thoiught if i just messed with dhcpcd something would start [10:16] Destructo: That's layer 3. [10:16] Destructo: You need to get layer 2 connected first. [10:16] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [10:16] It's the same as plugging in an ethernet cable. If you don't plug the cable in, dhcp is meaniungless. [10:16] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl13-200-145.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:16] If you don't connect to a wifi network, the same is true. [10:18] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [10:18] howdy [10:18] flnx (~flynux@dutsm1229.stm.tudelft.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:19] Nick change: NaCl -> lCaN [10:21] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.68.static.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:23] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-210-83.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Nick change: lCaN -> NaCl [10:23] ? [10:26] Zordak the fact it shows up in iwconfig, tells me that i dont need to mess with ndiswrapper or the such .. [10:27] Zordrak not Zordak. Learn to use tab-completion. [10:27] The whole point is wicd will take care of all of it for you. [10:27] It will give you a GUI or an ncurses GUI to configure whatever network you want to connect to. [10:28] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:29] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-210-83.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:29] Also i *believe* support is available at #wicd [10:30] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.116.212) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:30] does anyone ever manage to installed Slackware sucessfully (with guest additions) as a guest using virtualbox? [10:31] flnx: Yes. [10:32] the thing is that when I tried to mount the .iso files, it failed to do so [10:32] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] flnx: mount by hand then [10:32] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [10:32] didn't work [10:32] flnx: mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom / [10:33] when I told the host to mount the file it seemed to be done, but never seen form the guest [10:33] graffatcolmingov (WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) left ##slackware. [10:33] form the guest?! [10:34] yes, I have installed slackware as a guest on another host (Mac) [10:35] how does mounting a CD relate to the sentence "form the guest"? [10:35] flnx: mount in guest for guest. not from host. [10:35] well the thing is that I need to tell the VBox to mount the .iso file as a cdrom inside the guest [10:36] so I wasn't able to see it mounted from the guest [10:36] flnx: there is a menu,devices,cdrom, host--- or something. there you mount it.. [10:36] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.116.212) joined ##slackware. [10:37] I already did so, the problem is that when I typed dmesg no device was mounted [10:38] flnx: how did you do it exactly? [10:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [10:39] I first went to Devices->CD/DVD Devices and from there I selected the VBoxGuestAdditions.iso file [10:40] I've also tried from the CD icon in the lower right corner of the guest screen [10:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:40] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:40] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [10:41] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:41] flnx: unmount it in host, retry with: devices-cdrom-host [10:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-181-195.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:42] just clicking "Install Guest Additions" from the menu should put the guest additions iso onto the virtual CD drive.. so long as the iso is in the rcight place with the right name [10:42] /usr/share/virtualbox/VirtualBoxGuestAdditions.iso or something similar [10:45] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [10:45] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [10:46] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [10:46] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [10:47] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Client Quit [10:47] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Quit: Haksell [10:48] u-neeks (~666@200-140-4-189.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:51] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-116.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:51] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-249.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:01] what ya need with postfix? there is also a #postifx channel [11:01] I didn't found support there [11:02] I simply wanna ask if there is a way to crypt a mail between two different MTA [11:02] use SMTP over SSL [11:03] it's called startTLS [11:03] Genk1: gpg+whatever extension would be my choice.. but that's not mta to mta =) [11:03] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-96-14.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:03] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: rango [11:03] but as I read it's just used to encrypt connection between the server and the client [11:04] not all MTA's support TLS [11:04] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [11:04] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:04] http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html [11:04] I read it [11:04] a remote MTA is a client too [11:04] hmm [11:05] in theory, if you setup your server as that describes, the MTAs negotiate the best connection [11:05] Genk1: if you can convince the users to use it... of course I dont think that's available on windows without paying for pgp or something [11:05] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:05] snL20: he isn't talking about sender verification, he just wants to encrypt the traffic over the wire [11:05] it will be hard to configure all the clients from many different MTAs.. [11:05] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [11:05] pgp is not possible [11:05] gniks: well its not just sender verification [11:06] Genk1: ok [11:06] pgp ensures the email has not been tampered with& thats about it [11:06] gniks: it is pretty good privacy.. so noone will be able to read it [11:06] and it also doesn't encrypt the headers [11:07] gniks: true... [11:07] either way, doesn't do all he wants to do :P [11:07] right :( [11:07] but TLS/SSL will [11:08] gniks: how about an ssh tunnel ? [11:08] you could tunnel port 25 over ssh yes [11:08] but TLS is a better more supported solutoin [11:08] solution* [11:08] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFC33.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [11:09] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFC33.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] paissad (paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:11] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [11:12] gniks: Assuming that OpenSSL is written as carefully as Wietse's own code, every 1000 lines introduce one additional bug into Postfix. <- fun :) [11:12] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-131.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:12] haha yes [11:12] thats true or worse than true with most code [11:13] kr_eten (~quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:13] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [11:14] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.34.129) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:16] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:16] Destructo (41585838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.56) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:19] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [11:20] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [11:21] hi all. how can i install a python module from shell? [11:23] epapi: cpan.. oh wait python ? what's that ? =) [11:24] It's a scourge [11:24] :) [11:24] i need the "mechanize" package but there are no precompiled pkgs for x86_64 systems [11:24] {{{{{{{Perl}}}}}}} [11:24] :) [11:24] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-191.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:25] (how's that for useless input?) [11:25] lol [11:25] good morning, arfon [11:25] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Howdy shonudo :) [11:26] there is also a perl module but i need the python one to compile a program [11:27] Sorry epapi, I don't know your answer. I don't use python. :( [11:27] me too :) [11:27] o/\o [11:28] epapi: unless it has .so libs for python, then python modules are standard python scripts - not arch dependent [11:29] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:29] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [11:30] http://slak.homelinux.org/show.php?pkg=19646 [11:30] on x86_64 i think it's on usr/lib64 [11:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-181-195.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:33] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:34] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:35] epapi: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/libraries/mechanize/ [11:35] and if you have sbopkg installed, it will help fetch, make a package, and install it on your system [11:36] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:36] you can probably ping larry hajali about upgrading the script to fetch the newer version as well [11:36] ...sorry but with 0.2.2 it gives an error [11:36] larry ftw :) [11:37] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFC33.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [11:37] i'll manualli insert the source content in the python subdir [11:37] *manually [11:41] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.116.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:41] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-8-86.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [11:41] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:42] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [11:43] gabriel (1000@201.215.50.22) joined ##slackware. [11:44] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-156-16.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-86-3.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:50] drakevr_ (~drakevr@195.97.126.4) joined ##slackware. [11:50] flnx (~flynux@dutsm1229.stm.tudelft.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:51] ? [11:51] flnx (flynux@dutsm1229.stm.tudelft.nl) left ##slackware. [11:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-86-3.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:54] Anyone know about 66 vs 110 blocks? [11:55] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] arfon: Phone blocks you mean? [11:55] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-118-39.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:55] yes [11:55] Punch-down [11:55] arfon: I've used them enough. I did a couple years with them [11:56] I looked at the 110 blocks and I can't see how they are any better for data than 66 (except they have less 'taps'... [11:56] 66 blocks seem to be the norm, at least here in Qwest land. [11:56] How much does an ethernet signal degrade if you use a 66? [11:57] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-155-15-85.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Action: arfon misses the old Christmas-trees and screw terminal blocks.... [11:58] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:58] drakevr_ (~drakevr@195.97.126.4) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:59] arfon: Funny you mention the screw terminal. I worked for H&R block for a couple of years, and remember an old GE block dated 189x something. It caused all sorts of problems with signal degredation. [11:59] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:00] So, concensus? Can I use a 66 to connect two CAT5s? [12:00] As for a 110 vs 66, if you're routing cat5/6 cables for networking, use the 110 block. [12:00] Okay then. [12:00] Yes, but there is more crosstalk with a 66. [12:00] What sort of signal? [12:00] POTs or data? [12:00] Personally, I find 110s to be more difficult to work with. 66 seems much easier. [12:01] Action: arfon has 66s [12:01] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] So use the 66. However, 110s are typically certified with cat 5 and 6. [12:01] 66 is not. If you start having problems, buy a 110. [12:02] What the hell, if my signal dies, I'll swap out with 110s [12:02] TY sinuhe [12:02] Sure [12:02] Action: arfon wishes he had 1/4" jack panels [12:03] Wouldn't that be asweome! Routing ethernet through 1/4" jacks :) [12:03] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] my retro-nerd cred would go WAY up. [12:04] Action: sinuhe thinks using Slakcware makes retro-nerd cred go up, too, at least with my gung-ho Red Hat co-workers. :) [12:04] s/kc/ck/ [12:05] I'm surprised that they let you sit at thier table during lunch... That's how the FreeBSDer's are [12:05] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-10-98.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Heh. [12:06] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:06] :) [12:07] I have an OpenBSD systems too. I can argue a FreeBSDer down. I even have a nasty email from Theo from a few years ago to prove my retro-nerd cred [12:07] s/an // [12:07] OOOooooo what did it say? [12:07] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:07] Did he call you a 'stupid linuxer'? [12:07] It's Theo. It can be too hard to guess. 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[12:14] what's up everyone [12:15] u-neeks (~666@200-140-4-189.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:15] anyone want to try and help me set up wicd so i can wifi tether to my slack system with my android fone [12:16] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:18] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [12:18] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:19] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-10-98.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:22] did you read the documentation? [12:22] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173.157.58.21) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:23] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama [12:25] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-005-122.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFC33.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] ashe (~ashe@125.163.34.129) joined ##slackware. [12:29] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:30] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [12:31] i _really_ want my desktop to look like this [12:31] http://tuxwarrior.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/awe.png [12:31] that is _awesome_ :D [12:32] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:32] Elfo (~no_w@83.240.167.193) joined ##slackware. [12:32] dustybin: hehe, very simple but does the job I suppose :) [12:33] nice [12:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@184-205-175-238.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] im sure there is a way to bring up firefox in something like that [12:34] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [12:34] dustybin: keybindings [12:34] yar [12:34] that is the awesome wm, pity there are no 13.1 slackbuilds [12:34] prolly small windowed firefox, but why would you want firefox and not go for like links, elinks, lynx? :D [12:35] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:35] slackmagic: i prefer to use firefox + images when browsing, much nicer [12:36] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:36] dustybin: same here. I guess sarcasm FAIL on my part [12:36] :D [12:36] its time to get working on a desktop like that [12:36] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-005-122.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [12:37] Elfo (no_w@83.240.167.193) left ##slackware. [12:37] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:37] I've been a fluxbox user for years (since 2004 up until just about 2 months ago) and just recently decided to try something else and switched over to openbox. I like it. Perhaps in another few years I'll try one of them tiling wms [12:38] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173.157.58.21) joined ##slackware. [12:40] morb (~morb@93-136-101-193.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [12:43] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:43] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:43] garme (~garme@187.79.20.232) joined ##slackware. [12:44] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173.157.58.21) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:44] I used to run openbox exclusively for a few years, but now don't see the point in minimal WMs any longer [12:45] thrice`: they keep everything nice and neat in place [12:45] saves messing around with windows [12:45] I use IceWM and ROX on my Desktop machines, I like it pretty much but I dont see the point to hassle with setting everything up on ma netbook ._. [12:46] there are lots of wm, im having a hard time deciding what one to use [12:46] i need a good tiling wm [12:47] dustybin, and using kde or gnome means you spend 'lots of time' messing with windows? you're doing it wrong [12:47] im using XFCE [12:47] garme (garme@187.79.20.232) left ##slackware. [12:49] AppDeb (~AppDeb@195.74.237.225.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:49] AppDeb (~AppDeb@195.74.237.225.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:50] meh, this is what multiple desktops are far [12:50] i prefer everything on the same screen [12:50] same desktop [12:50] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-8-86.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:50] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: testing sound [12:50] I prefer to not clutter up one desktop with everything - I like to spread stuff over multiple desktops [12:51] even with dual screens both at home and work [12:51] ok [12:51] dustybin: twm, the way to go... [12:51] hba: can twm show apps like firefox [12:52] it is just a window manager of course it can? [12:52] maybe you guys are right [12:52] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.56) joined ##slackware. [12:52] if one uses screen and multiple desktops, there isnt much point of a tiling wm [12:53] I dont see any point in tiling wm's, at least personally for me ._. [12:54] i like the idea of seeing everything on one screen [12:54] I prefer tiling and I use screen and multiple desktops. [12:54] i guess one would need a large resolution take make the most of a tiling wm [12:54] *to [12:55] I have too many things open to fit comfortably on one desktop [12:55] Well guys, lunch time... bbl [12:55] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.56) left irc: Client Quit [12:56] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [12:56] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:56] screen, multiple desktops and tabs [12:56] what more could one want [12:57] a blow job? [12:57] :O [12:57] nah - a night of wild sex with the wife [12:57] alkos333 (~alkos333@184-205-175-238.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:57] lol [12:58] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [12:59] aarchvile (~aarchvile@ip-41.viapori.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:04] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.56) joined ##slackware. [13:06] edthix (ed@115.135.179.56) left ##slackware. [13:07] Nick change: AlexElliott_ -> AlexElliott [13:09] wow kde 4.5 delayed [13:09] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.68.static.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:10] that probably means alienBOB will have to build it again :P [13:12] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:13] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [13:15] DOAXB Radio! http://doaxb.ath.cx:8080/stream.mp3 [13:16] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [13:17] dios_mio (net@88.241.143.43) joined ##slackware. [13:18] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.56) joined ##slackware. [13:21] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173.158.101.40) joined ##slackware. [13:21] what's up anyone awake yet [13:21] edthix (ed@115.135.179.56) left ##slackware. [13:22] i j k l ~ Foo Fighters - There Is Nothing Left To Lose - Learn To Fly [Length: 3:55] ~ l k j i [13:22] what's up snl [13:22] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.56) joined ##slackware. [13:22] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:23] gobi42: not much ... trying to learn to use catalyst(perl) [13:23] lol yeah i came here for help too [13:23] can't get my android fone to wifi tether with my slack box [13:23] gobi42: freenode can be good for that at times yeah [13:23] tony_tony (~tony@212.183.140.39) joined ##slackware. [13:24] it sees it but it gets to opbtianing ip and then then it just closes the connection [13:24] gobi42: do you need a dhcp server running ? [13:24] on the linux box?? or on my fone [13:24] gobi42: on your server I guess... so the phone can get an ip [13:25] gobi42: 'the linux box' [13:25] gobi42: else if you can set it statically ... [13:26] lol i'm going from my phone to the computer so i don't really have a server sorry on my slack machine or my fone [13:26] what's the name of a wm that uses boxes in the desktop to separate the windows? [13:26] gobi42: well on slackware [13:26] like a grid [13:26] your talking with iwconfig waln0 192.168.20.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 [13:27] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:27] lol w something gabriel [13:27] gabriel: I dont know... but there is this wm I never tried called ratpoison that doesnt need a mouse iirc [13:27] for some reason i cannot get my BASH prompt to show my full hostname [13:27] gobi42: well I dont really know what tether means... could you elaborate ? [13:27] i can get it to show the hostname with the /h switch but not the full hostname with the /H switch [13:28] dustybin: uhm \h maybe ? [13:28] lol i use my fone as peer to peer network to share my data plan on my fone with my computer [13:28] g4tsu (~g4tsu@ALyon-153-1-8-192.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:29] morb (~morb@93-136-101-193.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:29] you know that phone is spelled phone right? [13:29] lol yes yes i do [13:29] snL20: that shows the hostname, not the full name [13:30] dustybin: \H [13:31] thanks, the wm is "wmii" [13:31] dustybin: there is a complete list if you do $ man bash and /PROMPTING [13:31] \HFull hostname (such as "mybox.mydomain.com") [13:32] if you are have lots of boxes its important to have the full name showing [13:32] dustybin: yeah... you said /H not \H [13:32] otherwise i could work on the wrong box [13:32] OHHHH [13:33] PS1="[\u@\H:\w]\$ " [13:33] that just shows [13:33] dustybin@server [13:34] $ PS1="[\u@/H:\w]\$ " [13:34] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [13:34] dustybin@/H: [13:35] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: You make your own luck in life. [13:35] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.56) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:36] tony_tony (~tony@212.183.140.39) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:36] hmm, what was the iptables rule to enable ssh and its related connections? 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[13:42] dustybin: a quick reboot would solve it or using hostname to set it as root [13:42] dustybin: the PS1 should have \H anyway [13:43] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] edthix (ed@115.135.179.56) left ##slackware. [13:43] nachox: on the server ? [13:44] nachox: is ssh enabled on your box? iptables would just block the ports [13:44] nachox: something like iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT ? [13:44] already solved it [13:44] nachox: ok [13:44] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.156.146) joined ##slackware. [13:44] i had to take some dust of my iptables knowledge :P [13:44] thanks :) [13:44] nachox: heh dont mention it :) [13:45] hows everything btw? [13:45] nachox: its ok [13:45] nachox: mostly [13:46] GooseYArd (GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware. [13:47] garme (~garme@187.79.97.251) joined ##slackware. [13:51] lamah (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [13:53] mcury (~mcury@189.24.2.113) joined ##slackware. [13:55] damn... i can't use wmii becaouse the slackbuild is outdated [13:57] i'll sack the staff immediately [13:58] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:58] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [13:58] is just a comment, don't worry, [13:58] :P [13:59] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.54.82) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.68.static.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:01] do you think its a good idea using the FQDN on the BASH prompt [14:02] that might be a good way to stop working on the wrong box [14:02] um... hostnames should be fairly unique in your local network [14:02] yeah hostnames are usually enough for me on the prompt [14:02] adaptr: my bash prompt now says [14:03] dustybin@server.mybox.net $ [14:03] and the window title usually has the fqdn [14:03] if I enter one, sure [14:03] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:03] i could have 3 servers [14:03] server.box1.net [14:03] server.box2.net [14:03] if the bash prompts all said server, i could easily work on the wrong box [14:03] that would be fail [14:04] you would have box1, box2 and box3 [14:04] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:04] right [14:04] so i need to change my hostname [14:04] and you can set your own window title OR any prompt you please [14:04] ok [14:04] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Client Quit [14:04] if you have 3 LOCAL domains and each have a server named server, then yes, you need to change your hostnames. that's inane, and indicative of an utter admin noob [14:05] :D [14:05] so does anyone use the gnome desktop for slack [14:05] urgh [14:05] oh are you kde guys [14:05] i'm not even sure i approve of a gui on slack [14:06] I turned off compiz yesterday because it was bogging me down [14:06] the most important thing is nicely rendered fonts [14:06] lol you must be really old school skywise [14:07] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:07] lamah (ghost@78.90.113.108) left ##slackware. [14:09] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:09] except for surfing, i can do and repeat things faster with a cli [14:09] a gui just gets in my way [14:10] gabriel (1000@201.215.50.22) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:10] garme (~garme@187.79.97.251) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:13] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:13] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] is that what you started on cause i'm still trying to learn slack i started out on mandrake but it's like completely different( not that i was profient in mandrake) [14:14] newbieslacker (~cahin@190.231.129.13) joined ##slackware. [14:14] newbieslacker (cahin@190.231.129.13) left ##slackware. [14:14] yeah, back when i started x was for experimental and good luck getting something to work [14:14] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] greetings andsalutations [14:14] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [14:14] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [14:14] yeah gniks is trying to help me set up my wifi tether right now [14:15] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-96-14.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:15] thats actually how i got into it [14:15] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-8-86.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [14:16] me and my gf both had computers and dial in accounts for email [14:16] but we couldn't connect at the same time, so we took turns [14:16] lol yeah slackware and my android phone and wifi tether just not working but gniks is teaching me about vim [14:16] then came proxying over dialup [14:17] and slack had it [14:17] lol yeah that is way back in the day no offence but your probly a little older than me but not much [14:17] then came slip and you could dialup and over a shell maquerade your connection, so now everone on the lan could have internet access [14:17] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:18] i'm 45 [14:18] but that was how i got into it, and then started using it for work [14:18] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:20] lol :( i'm 28 [14:22] well, all it takes is reading ability [14:22] bitlord_ (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:22] theres nothing you wanna do that someone else already hasn't and they usually take the time to document their experience [14:23] some have even taken to blogging about their fixes [14:24] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:24] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl13-200-145.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:25] yeah this commiuty seems very helpful and i like that but i'll brb gotta reboot [14:25] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173.158.101.40) left irc: Quit: Always try to be modest, and be proud about it! [14:26] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:29] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:32] sahko: I will not be present to release packages for kde 4.5.0 due to that delay [14:32] Unfortunately. [14:33] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-113-134-136.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:15] doesnt have to be [15:15] it can make sense, tho, if it is exposed to the outside world, afaik [15:16] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:9a0:a550:3188:a1f2:6ea) joined ##slackware. [15:17] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl13-200-145.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:18] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:21] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:21] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] hugh_ (~hugh@189.138.170.141) joined ##slackware. [15:23] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] I'm having issues with Eclipse, it starts, but runs very slowly, and whatever I do, it crashes with a SIGSEGV after less than a minute: http://pastebin.com/rhVPBqtP [15:24] hugh_ (hugh@189.138.170.141) left ##slackware. [15:24] Anyone know of a fix? [15:24] 13.1 [15:25] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:26] g4tsu (~g4tsu@ALyon-153-1-8-192.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: https://linuxspirit.fr [15:28] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:28] alkos333 (~alkos333@184-205-119-186.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:30] hba (~hba@189.188.116.51) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:31] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:31] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Hmm, #Apache is not very friendly [15:32] Still pissed about how they lost America, I guess. [15:32] You don't have voice ther to ask a question. [15:32] GrooveDroid: sure [15:32] most people go there by mistake [15:32] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:32] GrooveDroid: two ways [15:32] if you want help with the webserver, go to #httpd [15:33] <-- I feel for it [15:33] fell even [15:33] GrooveDroid: build and install xulrunner from slackbuilds.org [15:33] apache is the foundation [15:33] TY Skyw [15:33] yw [15:33] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:33] GrooveDroid: or let eclipse point to Seamonkeys(!) xulrunner if installed [15:34] GrooveDroid: got that? [15:34] GrooveDroid: http://lists.slackbuilds.org/pipermail/slackbuilds-users/2010-June/005979.html [15:34] Roin: thanks, will try that... do I have to point eclipse to it after installing it? Can I do that... well... without having to run it? [15:35] Ahh, nice. [15:35] GrooveDroid: sure, you nneed to edit the eclipse.ini [15:35] I've build xulrunner but that takes FOREVER, pointing it to seamonkeys xulrunner is probably easier [15:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@184-205-119-186.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:36] or faster *g* [15:36] Ok, I'll try that first then, thanks a lot! [15:36] you're welcome [15:36] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [15:36] delt0r___ (~delt0r@188-22-22-12.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:38] delt0r_ (~delt0r@188-22-170-106.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:38] mcury (~mcury@189.24.2.113) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:39] i am totally confused, hostname -f shows my FQDN If i issue this in BASH PS1='[\u@\H:]\$ ' the \H switch should display my FQDN on the BASH prompt, however, it only shows the user@hostname could this be the work of a virus / spyware / malware infection? [15:39] have you asked in #bash [15:39] aye i will :D [15:39] i'd have to read the manpage otherwise [15:40] uhm maybe a look into /etc/HOST would be usefull as well ._. [15:40] Reading man pages will rot your brain. [15:40] lol [15:40] Roin: hostname -f shows my FQDN what is the exactly the same as /etc/HOSTS [15:40] i like the way it challenges my synaptic connections [15:41] uhm k [15:41] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] You're a sick mans Skywise [15:41] man [15:41] tis the price of genious [15:41] Genius == crazy (normaly) [15:41] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-113-134-136.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:41] normally [15:42] and doing it in plural is just that much harder [15:42] Action: arfon can't even doi it singularly [15:42] zero_bala (~Zero@189.27.43.181) joined ##slackware. [15:42] do [15:43] Heck, Mezzo is hard enough [15:43] we all need things to aspire too [15:43] zero_bala (Zero@189.27.43.181) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [15:43] I wanna be a firetruck when I grow up. [15:44] that could happen [15:44] aryr (~aryr100@64.132.183.186) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:44] i suspect however hooking up the hoses might be uncomfortable [15:44] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-83-4.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:44] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:44] Slackformers, more than meets the eye! [15:44] eh, you get used to it Skywise [15:46] right now, I'll settle for figuring out where in the hell they moved everything to in Apache 2's config files.... [15:46] conf/extra [15:46] Stinking cgi-bin config... [15:46] Yeah, pretty much but they did leave some things in httpd.conf [15:47] and then they include the other stuff at the bottom of httpd.conf [15:47] so grep extra for the setting you want and then edit that file and make sure its not commented out in the main config [15:47] Heck they include some stuff in the middle of httpd.conf [15:48] Why is it so hard to turn on /public_html/cgi-bin dirs?!?! [15:48] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:48] you should prolly enable userdirs first [15:49] Anyway, what's going on with you Skywise ? [15:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.45.193) joined ##slackware. [15:49] ( I did :) ) [15:49] i just finished lunch, i'm waiting for the gf to fly in and theres storms comming in too [15:50] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [15:50] You at the airport? [15:50] i was just doing some work too, that was pretty good for a wednesday [15:50] no, i don't do that anymore [15:50] that? [15:51] mcury (~mcury@189.24.39.214) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Is there a stroy here? [15:51] too much hassle, its $20 for a supershuttle to and from the airport [15:51] story [15:51] Awww, poor girl [15:51] no, you're not allowed to wait at the gates anymore because of 9/11 [15:51] You're making her SS it??? [15:51] thats how we travel, its just a pain in the ass trying to coordinate [15:52] so it goes door to door [15:52] Do what I do, get in your white van with tinted windows and sit right outside the airport entrance... [15:52] yeah, they herd those people too [15:52] they won't let you wait even if the plane is late [15:53] They will if you pay the rape^H^H^Hparking fee [15:53] its easier to just catch the shuttle [15:53] its no biggie [15:53] arfon: you just have to know ben dover ? [15:53] we travel alot [15:54] :] [15:54] Um, never heard of him... You can't prove it [15:54] arfon: ;) [15:54] arfon: hello [15:54] I though you were home employed Skywise [15:54] Hi KaMii ! [15:54] How's the waffle queen today? [15:54] haha, im installing sorcerer [15:55] Action: arfon didn't think they had sorcorers in WOW [15:55] well trying to, the beginning part is a bit confusing to me, i sure hope I do not have to manually go through the long list of modules and select every one [15:55] no, sorcerer linux [15:55] i do work from home [15:55] but i also have to travel [15:56] Then why do you travel so much if you don't mind me asking? [15:56] i havent played wow in over a month :S [15:56] Bad KaMii [15:56] Action: CathyInBlue turns KaMii into a newt. [15:56] i know [15:56] Horde need beatings regularly [15:56] hhehe i know [15:56] but arfon i killed all their kings [15:57] You know they respawn right? [15:57] yes, but i got the achievement and the war mount! [15:57] What's the name of your main toon? [15:57] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.143.175) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:57] Nick change: NaCl -> lCaN [15:57] Kamii [15:57] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.116.212) joined ##slackware. [15:57] Original.. I like it [15:58] Saurfang Europe [15:58] That's funny, I was sneaking around horde land the other night and I heard the horde kings say that Kamii wouldn't dare come back... [15:58] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:58] hahaha, probably, I shot him in the butt with a bb-gun [15:59] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.157.35) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Awww, the eye K, the eye [15:59] it was so funny [15:59] mcury (~mcury@189.24.39.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:59] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Then the 50 lvl 12s jumped you and.... [15:59] pft, lvl 12 cant even hit me [16:00] Ivshti (~Ivshti@77.76.51.86) joined ##slackware. [16:00] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] hello [16:00] Hi crashdata [16:00] hi crashdata [16:01] Well, anyway, I stand by my "Horde need regular beatings" [16:02] arfon: can you whois me, I am suppose to be unafiliated but i cant tell if it shows or not [16:02] KaMii [~nebulae@unaffiliated/kamii] [16:02] yay [16:03] congrats? I guess [16:04] i also switched to irssi now [16:04] congrats! [16:04] Why? [16:04] x-chat was just tooo slow, and constantly dropping dcc [16:04] Ah, [16:05] I haven't used xchat in awhile now.... [16:05] well im on a very old computer [16:05] I don't even know how to dcc in irssi [16:05] i am thinking of just totally removing x from this computer [16:05] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-45-106.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:05] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.45.193) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:05] /dcc chat nameofperson [16:06] :) [16:06] so i dont know, do I remove x or keep x? [16:07] Eh, why remove it? [16:08] im not using any programs that require it [16:08] Do you need space or it's just too slow? [16:08] i use snownews, irssi, lynx [16:08] thats all I use on this computer [16:08] Well, Lynx is okay but, I need a graphical browser everyonce in awhile [16:08] I'd leave x and run TWM with FF [16:09] ya, it is only helpful with pastebin [16:09] im using flux [16:09] Pastebin SUX with lynx :( [16:09] i know [16:09] arfon, try links -g [16:09] fluxbox? Pansy! Real men use TWM [16:09] Nick change: lCaN -> NaCl [16:09] good for me im not a man then [16:10] cmk_zzz (~martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:10] Well, I have used links but, it doesn't suit my needs [16:10] but if I do remove X, I dont get my super pink hello kitty background anymore [16:10] ...with the smurf cursor? [16:10] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:10] hehe [16:11] what is links? [16:11] It's a console browser like Lynx but can handle frames and graphics [16:11] (it's a little more flaky than lynx though) [16:11] hrm, it didnt work for me, just hung there [16:12] super milk chan would kick hello kitty's ass [16:13] Action: arfon can't comment, has no idea what a Milk Chan is [16:13] Is that a candy? [16:13] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:13] no, its an anime character [16:14] [rolls eyes] [16:14] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] You big nerd! :) [16:14] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-113-134-136.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] here? [16:14] unthinkable [16:14] Yeah, I'm not thinking it.... [16:15] (actually I am) [16:15] all i know about anime i saw on adult swim [16:15] yu yu hakusho is the best [16:15] Action: arfon hates anime :( [16:16] they have more creative storylines then domestic cartoons [16:16] even tho the translations are sometimes odd [16:16] they're better then they used to be [16:16] creative storyline != better story [16:16] 'kill him, but make sure he doesnt die' [16:17] 12oz mouse has creative storylines and it's just dumb [16:17] arfon watches the telletubies [16:17] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@80.sub-97-3-152.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:17] see my idea of creativity doesn't include the dumb stuff [16:17] If it wern't for Early's lines, Squidbillys would sux too. [16:18] HA!!! You know that's funny KaMii [16:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-242-94.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Teletubbies do facinate me for some reason. [16:18] ^^ I cannot beleve you just admited that [16:19] Hey, why lie...? They have a strange something [16:19] arfon: is truly a man with no fear [16:19] arfon: tinky winky... tipsi.. la la.... [16:19] strange is right [16:19] but it was annoying to me [16:19] I don't seek them out or anything [16:19] now, blue's clues was cool [16:19] and so was thomas the tank engine [16:19] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-113-134-136.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:19] But when flipping, I do find my self stopping for a few seconds on TT [16:20] Bob the Builder [16:20] i think thats a seizure [16:20] KaMii: ftw :) [16:20] Thomas is different, when I hear George Carlin's voince, I think "Is he stoned while recording this"? [16:20] i still like spongebob [16:20] ringo did it too [16:21] Spongebob FTW [16:21] i didn't like sponge bob [16:21] but ren and stimpy are cool [16:21] Heathen! [16:21] Skywise: handy manny [16:21] Skywise: always makes me think of grim fandango [16:22] the wrestling episode is the funniest cartoon in history [16:22] THAT was a weird game [16:22] Skywise: ren and stimpy ? dont think i've seen it [16:22] It's Old snL20 [16:22] arfon: how old ? [16:22] omg, in one seen, ren was getting hit so hard he gave off light with each punch [16:22] Action: snL20 is 29 [16:23] Booger jokes were funny 20 years ago :( [16:23] scene [16:23] Do you like the songs of Stinky Whistletteh Skywise ? [16:24] teeth [16:24] lol [16:24] I guess that means yes [16:24] anybody know how to undelete files in btrfs? [16:24] the episode i'm talking about is called madd dog hoek [16:24] I didn't explicitly make any snapshots of the fs [16:25] there was a copy on youtube but its been removed [16:25] mishehu: undeletion is a myth.. I think... actually i've only found extundelete [16:25] mishehu: maybe you can use foremost though [16:25] undelete is for windows, rm is for big boys [16:25] Did you delete from the cli mishehu ? [16:26] arfon: rsync --delete did it [16:26] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC. [16:26] Hmmm, my guess is "na na na na na na na hey hey hey, goodbye" [16:26] no, its in his backups [16:27] cause he wouldn't go deletin without backups [16:27] :) [16:27] LOL [16:27] well btrfs can do snapshots but I don't know if you have to explicitly make them [16:27] Back-up are for ppl who use fluxbox [16:27] oda (~oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [16:27] (and Hello Kitty backgrounds) [16:28] arfon: lol.. I use fluxbox :P [16:28] How's that pink Hello Kitty background snL20 ? [16:28] arfon: I'm using a theme called blackice that was originally for blackbox [16:31] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:31] backup doesn't help wiht fiiles just created or just modified :-) [16:32] mishehu, I don't use btrfs so, I don't know your answer. :( [16:32] have you tried wuala? [16:33] it's a great online backuping application [16:33] You should try rsync.... [16:33] it's more like dropbox, but if you have a premium account it allows automatic backuping [16:33] [looks around] [16:33] I used rsync before wuala [16:34] I use wuala because the files go on their servers, I don't have to provide any storage for my own backups [16:34] Wouldn't a sapre HD be cheaper in the long run? [16:34] spare [16:35] yeah, but a HD can blow, while wuala's servers are probably double-backuped [16:35] I set up my first softtware RAID this weekend and it was suprisingly easy [16:35] jnylin (~jnylin@c-4171e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:36] arfon: and surprisingly stable [16:36] Action: arfon wants to know why none of these FS nerds have created a good portable device FS.... [16:36] arfon: I'm actually teaching software RAID to HP students right now. [16:36] lord_darwin (~lord_darw@dynamic-66-243-242-91.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:36] We'll see about stable sinuhe... :) [16:37] What is there to teach sinuhe ? [16:37] arfon: I'm sure if anyone can destabalize it, you can. ;) [16:37] sinuhe: So in terms of teaching, what differs software and hardware raid? [16:37] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:37] format, format, create RAID, format... [16:37] Hardware is SOOOOOOO much easier (sorta) [16:37] arfon: http://omploader.org/vNTVjOA/blackice.jpg [16:38] cmk_zz: Hardware RAID is driven by the controller. Software RAID is driven by software. (Then there's the psuedo crap you can by that is driven by dmraid, and sometimes works.) [16:38] Can't see it snL20 :( [16:38] <--on lynx [16:38] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] arfon: awww [16:38] s/by /buy / [16:38] I know snL20 , my life is hard [16:39] sinuhe: yes, I know that, but when I studied raid I learnt about RAID, not about the software or hardware implementation. What is specific about teaching software RAID? How to configure it in a specific OS? [16:39] arfon: You'd be surprised what people know and don't know. Companies like to have formal instruction, plus it introduces the concepts they weren't aware of before. [16:39] cmk_zzz: Mostly about how to deal with mdadm, /proc/mdstat, etc. [16:40] ok, I guess man pages aren't enough these days? [16:40] Formal instruction eh? CHA-CHING! [16:40] :) [16:40] booo,man pages [16:40] man is my best friend and we play every day [16:40] cmk_zzz: They're enough for me to write the material, but if you hang out in this chat room long enough, you'll answer your own question. :) [16:40] When are you making a mdadm cheat pdf cheatsheet sinuhe ? [16:41] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-242-251.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:41] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-242-251.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:41] man is a 'friend' who shows me his toys but never lets me play with them.... [16:41] So you say I'll answer my own questions, eh? [16:41] Yes you will [16:41] lol [16:42] wo-man never show me their toys :( [16:42] adaptr: Emacs user? [16:42] You have to give them a dollar first adaptr [16:42] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.130.146) joined ##slackware. [16:42] ah, I knew I was forgetting something [16:43] do hardcore unix people use emacs? [16:43] adaptr: nroff -woman beautiful.one |more should do it [16:43] dustybin: na, vim [16:43] ok [16:43] dustybin: Hardcore Unix people use Plan9. [16:43] jeeze [16:44] sinuhe: well LFS of course [16:44] snL20: Well, Slackware, of course. [16:44] sinuhe: well technically you cant get more barebones than lfs [16:44] Action: sinuhe checks the channel name again [16:44] tekzilla (~jon@d099230.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:44] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:45] sinuhe: then why talk about plan9 [16:45] snL20: Keep up with the conversation [16:45] i thought plan9 was a text editor? [16:45] dustybin: that's right .. and emacs is an os [16:46] dustybin: Plan9 is Unix's replacement. Look up the emacs manual for plan9. [16:46] I'm back to work. [16:46] slackware is unix replacement :D [16:46] Action: sinuhe stands corrected [16:46] tekzilla (~jon@d010207.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Unfortunately dustybin, Debian is winning :( [16:47] http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/1/emacs [16:47] no such thing as winning?! [16:47] arfon, u mean ubuntu [16:47] ubuntu = Debian [16:48] w\with a candy shell [16:48] arfon, i know but its soo water down [16:48] its all about the *bsd's [16:48] =D [16:48] ubuntu != debian [16:48] josemanuel (~josemanue@143.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:48] No such thing as winning? Has anyone one told SCO that? [16:48] ubuntu is worst then debian. and that is a hard title to acquire [16:48] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-161-38.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:48] cmk_zzz: yah ubuntu > debian... [16:48] ubuntu = debian without any upstream contributions :P [16:48] freaking hell, of course it is, but its water down that I dont even see it as a linux syst nmore [16:48] ubuntu is debian with the heart and stability ripped out and some glossy make-up attached [16:49] cheap makeup [16:49] No, we're not talking OSX [16:49] :) [16:49] have you guys even tried a "user-friendly" distro? Man they crash more often than anything out there [16:49] Nick change: fredoslack -> occupe [16:49] of course archlinux > * [16:52] snL20: you do know which channel your on? :) [16:52] Alexander (~Alexander@b70095.upc-b.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:52] HA HA! I've got an image in my mind of Ubuntu being a cheap hooker named debian with lipstick smeared over her mouth. [16:52] cmk_zzz: hehe yeah.. I was just kidding :) [16:52] a fading debian tattoo, more like [16:52] adaptr: good one [16:52] or perhaps a fading FL/OSS tatto [16:52] F/LOSS, whatever [16:53] cmk_zzz: its really just cosmetics that seperate most distros... like how they do things [16:53] "all UR src R belong base" scrawled on her butt [16:53] Cr1kk4 (alpha@host151-134-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:54] Alexander (Alexander@b70095.upc-b.chello.nl) left ##slackware. [16:54] ubuntu is not debian with make-up ;) [16:54] it has many differences [16:54] snL20: I don't really agree. Some distros take too many short-cuts. They use non-ready software, and they are not ready to fix the non-ready software. They rather spend their time on polishing. It will be the doom of linux [16:54] almost every package has 3 or 4 patches which aren't there in debian [16:54] lvnot really [16:54] what a sucknick [16:55] cmk_zzz: the doom of linux ? that's a bit dramatic [16:55] cmk_zzz: personally I find arch.. to be more useful to me as a desktop while my firewall runs slackware and my nas box happen to use debian [16:56] ubuntu is quite different now. Upstart included on 10.04 and stuff like that [16:56] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFC33.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [16:56] snL20: well archlinux, I just can't use a rolling distro. It sweeps the carpet underneath my feet to many times [16:56] cmk_zzz: anyway.. lets get off the topic.. it only leads to distro wars [16:57] fair enough:) [16:57] slck-o (~cris@187.112.102.81) joined ##slackware. [16:57] I hate linux [16:57] sinedrio_ (~sinedrio@bl7-41-8.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:58] cmk_zzz and FerrBSD sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G... [16:58] freeBSD [16:58] WollenMuts (~WollenMut@b70095.upc-b.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:59] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.13.75.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:59] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl5-197-11.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-242-94.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:59] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] So I´m probably gonna get kicked in the nuts for this, but I just wanna yell: I think Slackware is _the_ distro I´m looking for! [17:03] <-- Linux newb [17:03] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:04] WollenMuts: just let it all out [17:04] WollenMuts, why do you feel this way? [17:04] I´m reading the Slackbook 2.0 and it all makes sense. Its logic, not difficult to understand and I love the fact that you have to stuff yourself [17:05] Do you feel strongly about this? [17:05] yes I do [17:05] Tell me about your parents, were they controlling? [17:05] slack is well documented and I get it [17:05] yes :´( [17:05] they beat me as well [17:05] mehhhh [17:05] Action: cmk_zzz drags out the black couch [17:05] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-191.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] Ah, classic case of rebellion [17:05] arrrrr [17:06] Don't worry, some prozac will snap you right out of it [17:06] you are right sir [17:06] slackware is the best bar none. [17:06] Action: WollenMuts uses to much drugs already [17:06] SW fo' life. [17:06] Can I just trow a question slash statement in here? [17:07] You just did [17:07] i like it becaue its configurability...other easy to use distro out there are becoming soo userfriendly that most functionality are hidden or missiing to avoid "newb" from screwing their syst [17:07] Can I trow one in after this one? [17:07] Nope. You've used of your two for today. [17:07] You just did again :) [17:07] @crashdata: agree [17:07] hehe [17:07] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [17:07] vanilla is not as hard as people think, i dont know why distros mess around with stuff [17:08] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [17:08] OK here it comes: I have read a lot about the the statement that when one is learning SW they are learning Linux and not yet another distro. How about that statement? Is it any true? Or ..? Give me solid statements plz (: [17:09] Yes. [17:09] Meh [17:09] 80% correct [17:09] Or is it rather that one is getting learned the basic ropes of Linux while working with SW? [17:10] (Because of the way SW is put together) [17:10] Few months of slack have taught me more about linux than years of dicking around with ubuntu&the likes [17:10] When you learn SW, it's like you learn to work on a car's engine... When you learn 'another' distro, it's like youare learning to recognize the "check engine" light\ [17:11] WollenMuts, it is, because it forces you to configure stuff manually..... you dont even need to be a system admin to spend alot of time in /etc folder [17:11] in slack. [17:11] i was forced to use ubuntu not long ago, from the space of 1 release they moved important system dirs into different locations / names [17:11] to me that seriously sucks [17:11] i can understand that dustybin [17:11] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-180-26.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Any news about the v3.0 of Slackbook? [17:12] and as for ubuntu server, what the heck is the point in re-inventing the wheel, just use debian [17:12] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Quit: Sir_Konrad [17:12] lol true [17:12] Actually that is a problem: Previously if you knew linux (or unix) even, you could always go under the hood on any distro. Nowadays a lot of the newer distros seems to try to lock you out of it [17:13] Weird behaviour that is [17:13] Not if your typical user is no smarter than windows [17:13] I have nothing against ubuntu, i like it that its easy enough so that people can choose linux or windows [17:14] but its just to water down.....most ubunut users honestly dont know jack about linux [17:14] crashdata: but what if all that time spent on doing that was spent of actually improving the OS [17:14] and once the OS was allright, you can focus on the shiny bits [17:14] WollenMuts, most people don't want to go under the hood and thats why Linux needs distros like Ubuntu... I just wish those distro's wouldn't deviate as much as they do. [17:15] i agree with you, they could've taken a different route... [17:15] There's no reason my ppl couldnt write a 'candy wrapper' for Slack ,like Ubuntu [17:16] Tomas, over at Slax is doing a GREAT job [17:16] i used ubuntu for a while for my netbook, because i didnt have a big enough flash to install slack for few weeks..it was hella irritating...nothing was in order.and i couldnt configure it they I want it to behave [17:17] especially the new version..i couldnt even compile anything [17:17] even with required gcc and other compiler it was still missing a big chunk of the program [17:17] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-196-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [17:17] :/ [17:20] I´m off, thank you all for the entertainment (: [17:20] Action: arfon dances [17:20] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [17:20] THATS entertainment [17:20] comedy I would guess [17:21] Action: WollenMuts does the Samba [17:21] beat that [17:21] more like Tradgey [17:21] Action: arfon does the NFS [17:21] I WIN [17:21] i think everyone was venting there hahaha [17:21] Action: WollenMuts blows a kiss [17:21] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [17:22] HA! I got a kiss, you guys didn't get squat! [17:23] How do you get ispell to work with irssi? [17:24] alienBOB: no worries. since i dont use your out of tree packages anyway. happy vacation:) [17:25] if WollenMuts is a guy u can have the kiss :) [17:25] shooooot busted [17:25] !! [17:25] ha! [17:25] Pfft, I take them where I can get them.... [17:25] hahaha...thats the spirit. [17:26] :) [17:27] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-66-8-174-173.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-66-8-174-173.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:29] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:30] slackytude (~slacky@drms-4d0001d7.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:30] win 3 [17:30] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-83-4.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:32] Action: arfon HATES bouncing T1s [17:32] WollenMuts (~WollenMut@b70095.upc-b.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:32] WollenMuts (~WollenMut@b70095.upc-b.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:35] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:36] Action: KaMii chowns arfon [17:36] WollenMuts (~WollenMut@b70095.upc-b.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:36] Really? what group did you put me in? [17:36] Kaapa: nobody:nobody ? [17:37] tool [17:37] lol [17:37] DOH! [17:37] snL20: hum? [17:37] hehe [17:37] So, I've been demoted to Apache's level? [17:37] Kaapa: sorry nick complete failed [17:38] hehe [17:38] Oh yeah, well I chroot Kamii... jail'd KaMii to ~ [17:38] nooo im too young to be jailed [17:39] maybe thats whats happeneing to my palm, its getting jailed and only root has the key [17:39] AND, rm -rf ~/kitchen [17:39] arfon: oh well at least he wont have to go to school/work [17:39] KaMii, just plays WOW and hides from neighbors [17:39] arfon: uh oh that's not good [17:40] i hvaent played wow in a month [17:40] no rm -rf ~/bathroom is bad... rm kitchen is okay [17:40] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Action: arfon send KaMii a crate of pop-tarts [17:40] KaMii: I've never played wow actually [17:41] haha, im not allowed to use the toaster [17:41] Pop-tarts are good untaosted [17:41] toasted [17:41] ewww [17:41] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:41] Put a little myo on them.... MMmmmmmm pop-tarts [17:41] rm -rf ~/toilett [17:41] nasty [17:41] mayo [17:41] mayo? [17:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-180-26.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:42] you put mutard on them also? [17:42] :O [17:42] No, mustard goes on doughnuts... duh [17:42] arfon: is that what people eat in Texas? [17:42] Chicken-fried pop-tarts.... yes [17:43] [looks around for a Texan] [17:43] arfon: deep fries poptards [17:43] as many nerds are in Texas and I'm the only 'texan' here? [17:43] <--not really texan [17:43] that reminds me of a cartman joke... "cartman doesnt know the difference between a rainforest and a pop tart" =D [17:44] KaMii, that basically what "chicken-fried" means [17:44] ya he does beause he tried to cut the rainforset down [17:44] "cartman: yes I do.. pop tarts are frosted!" :D [17:44] HA HA!! That was a good one [17:45] "screw you guys... I'm going home" [17:45] KaMii: lol [17:45] KaMii: RESPECT MY AUTHORITA [17:45] "no kitty, thats my pot pie" [17:45] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [17:46] thats a bad kitty [17:46] heh [17:46] :) I hear Cartman in my head when I read these [17:46] thats the point [17:46] Professor Farnsworth: "Good news everyone! I've invented a device where you hear my voice in your head" [17:46] 'goddam hippies' [17:47] oh well I need to sleep... ttyl! [17:47] Night snL20 [17:47] night [17:47] 16 more minutes.... [17:47] Must... hold.... on..... [17:48] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.130.146) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:48] arfon: just go to the bloody toilet. Just because someone dared you to hold it for 48 hours doesn't mean you must [17:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:48] I'm trying for WIN #4.... [17:49] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.130.146) joined ##slackware. [17:49] im trying to work out if i like using multiple desktops [17:49] is there any point [17:49] ??? [17:49] a application can be mimimized anyone [17:49] anyway [17:49] dustybin, I use multiple desktops all the time.... when I'm multitasking [17:49] aye ok [17:50] WollenMuts (~AndChat@62.140.137.104) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Compile on one... Browse on the other... torrent an a 3rd [17:50] keeps my activities grouped [17:50] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-hlnglggpdoscleuh) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:50] wow, multiple desktops, I couldn't live without it. We'll to be honest, I hope I can, would be a bit silly otherwise [17:50] arfon: or you could use a tiling wm [17:50] tilgin wm are the best, but they usually have some sort of "virtual desktops" [17:51] I'm gonna look like a retard here but what do you mean tiling? [17:51] No comments from the KaMii section please [17:52] arfon: http://www.lmgtfy.com?q=tiling+wm [17:52] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [17:52] ,,,---lynx [17:52] <--lynx [17:52] arfon, "look like a retard" that ship has sailed already, don't worry. [17:52] Action: fire|bird ducks [17:52] j/k [17:52] DOH!! fire|bird has teamed up with KaMii ! [17:52] arfon: http://tuxwarrior.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/awe.png [17:52] lol [17:52] I can't look at pix... :( [17:53] arfon: http://7dne.imagemagick.us/44hf93/arfon.jpg [17:53] If I could, I wouldn't be hanging here with you guys, I'd be all over images.google.com?search="hawt chixor" [17:53] hahahaha [17:54] :( [17:54] arfon, you just need to refine your search, ascii hawt chixor :P [17:54] Action: arfon feels like he's missing something. [17:54] :) [17:55] damn its hack not magick [17:55] ascii pr0n just doesn't cut it.... [17:55] but whatever [17:55] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625222733] [17:55] arfon: then you haven't been without long enough [17:56] Are you questioning my nerd credentials?????? [17:56] you have nerd credentials? [17:56] Action: fire|bird ducks once more [17:56] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:56] I goe back to my "you have to give them a dollar" quote earlier... :) [17:56] go [17:59] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-83-4.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:59] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. 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[19:17] it includes what you told it to include, sda [19:17] for example, if we suppose that /dev/sdc is mounted at /mnt ... does dd include /mnt (/dev/sdc) [19:17] SpartanVI (~raito@adsl-232-81-153.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:17] dd isn't looking at the FS [19:17] it's looking at the device [19:17] antiwire, ok thanks [19:18] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:19] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.91) joined ##slackware. [19:22] josemanuel (~josemanue@143.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [19:24] paissad, dd is NOT a backup tool [19:25] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] nachox: says who? [19:25] dd = disk destroyer [19:26] paissad, dd is NOT a backup tool [19:26] i guess that would be me [19:27] ooh [19:27] AlexElliott (~alex@2002:3e1f:a475:1234:21e:68ff:fe9b:9499) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:27] i need to pay more attention [19:28] noooo Kernel panic [19:29] Action: KaMii cries [19:29] give your kernel some valium [19:29] it's that WoW patch :P [19:29] real backup tool ough to allow incremental backups, dd does not [19:29] use rsync [19:30] rsync is nice and easy on the cpu [19:30] uh oh, both my kernels are failing [19:30] backup tools are meant to copy files, dd copies just bits, it doesnt matter whether they are actually free space in the device [19:30] the first sync will suck but after that it's all good [19:30] no, i think it was sorcerer... it did something to /dev/sda [19:33] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-161-38.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [19:33] Appetite (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Nick change: Appetite -> Guest73874 [19:33] unable to mount vfs [19:33] and it panics out [19:36] even i cant even mount it from boot disk [19:36] unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' [19:36] what does that mean? [19:37] it means you fucked up your kernel [19:38] all kernels are reporting that [19:38] even the ones off the install cd [19:38] i tried booting into 4 different kernels [19:38] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@d192-24-125-129.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:38] 1 was my custom, the other three were slackwares [19:39] woh3 (~will@nv-71-2-72-53.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] KaMii: to your /boot is on LVM? [19:40] it cant be a kernel, what would cause the drive to be like that [19:42] what is LVM i have never heard of that before? [19:42] Logical Volumn Manager [19:42] *Volume [19:42] oh.... i bet Sorcerer messed with it during install [19:42] even though I specifically told it to stay away from /dev/sda [19:42] i bet it didnt listne [19:42] can I get it back? [19:43] Sorcerer? [19:43] Too much pot I would reckon [19:43] its a different distro [19:43] Action: ananke hasn't heard that distro mentioned in a couple of years. it has fallen off the map [19:43] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [19:43] s/map/radar [19:44] its still being developed [19:44] I'm trying to figure out how a different distribution comes into play here [19:44] anyway, can I fix this LVM2_member issue? [19:44] too much dorking around [19:45] because everything with slackware 13.1 /dev/sda was working great. I then installed sorcerer on my othre HDD which is /dev/sdb [19:45] after sorcerer was done installing, I rebooted, and slack is dead [19:45] best to run new stuff on a VM [19:46] I could not get sorcerer to work in VM [19:46] i always do that [19:46] hahaha [19:46] this is classic [19:46] err VBox [19:46] I have to go before I laugh so hard that i piss myself [19:46] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [19:46] besides, thats beside the point [19:46] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:47] well he was of no help [19:47] as usual [19:48] sounds like you've either messed up your boot-loader or entire /dev/sda. Use a live-cd, boot it up, mount the /boot partition of /dev/sda and inspect it [19:49] you can check the status of your volume group by typing lvdisplay, or pvdisplay if you want to check you physical volume [19:49] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [19:49] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:49] oda (~oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:50] it looks like the partition table got totally screwed up [19:50] i never touched that drive [19:50] i only touched /dev/sdb [19:51] apparently /dev/sda wanted to get in on some action too then [19:51] and i tried to mount, but I cant mount anything [19:51] what does fdisk say? [19:51] well cfdisk has astericks next to my partitions, and there is now magically 1 meg of freespace [19:51] that was not there before [19:52] wow! you really screw you hdd up, my condolences [19:52] i didnt do it, it was all sorcerer [19:52] it must have some hidden script somewhere [19:52] because I never once touched that drive [19:52] sorcerer rocks [19:53] it asked to install a MBR i said no [19:53] well im thinking it did anyway [19:53] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4541, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-07-27 04:39:13 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [19:53] man.. i dont want to reinstall slackware again.. .i just did this a week ago [19:53] Well, if it is only MBR it's no problems really, but it sounds like all your partitions on /dev/sda are doomed? [19:53] well maybe it was only the mbr, but how can I get it back, what can I do? [19:55] well, my advice is to create a copy of your entire /dev/sdb (with dd), then you can work with that copy and try restore it with testdisk or some other thing [19:55] mount live cd, mount your /dev/sda boot partition, chroot to it, re-run lilo or grub or whatever you are using or something like that [19:56] cmk_zzz: im in the live cd now [19:56] i cannot mount /dev/sda [19:56] it wont let me [19:56] try asking in #sorcerer [19:57] ok, you don't mount /dev/sda, you mount the partitions on sda. Use fdisk or whatever, to list the partitions on the disk, then mount the partition you want [19:57] i get the unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' [19:57] try calling the support center [19:57] hahaha [19:57] yes its /dev/sda2 [19:58] Uh oh. Ok. so something has touched /dev/sda, it is not only the MDB because slackware certainly wont install LVM without you knowing about it [19:58] you cold try to restore the vg [19:58] ya, and what is LVM i never heard of it [19:58] so whbat does fdisk -l /dev/sda show? [19:59] http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/lvm2 [19:59] partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundry [19:59] thats lvm [19:59] other than that, it looks fine [20:00] So, the system column doesn't mention "Linux LVM" on any of the partitions? [20:00] woh3 (will@nv-71-2-72-53.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [20:00] no [20:02] dualshoott (1000@unaffiliated/dualshoott) joined ##slackware. [20:03] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Yeah, well, what does fdisk -l /dev/sdb say then? [20:03] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.131.165.223) joined ##slackware. [20:03] everythings normal no LVM [20:04] linux swap, and linux [20:04] same as sda [20:04] this is starting to make no sense to me [20:04] would VBox have done something to slackware? [20:04] i had insatlled Vbox a few days ago [20:05] no VBox would not [20:05] my last reboot was about 11 days ago, so could it have been something like that [20:05] ok [20:06] why does the kernel think there is a lvm when fdisk doesnt say there is? [20:07] I don't know. Does the command: pvs give you anything? [20:08] /dev/sda1 lvm2 a- 4.00g [20:08] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-153-255.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] /dev/sda2 lvm2 a- 145.05g [20:08] ah, so you have lvm then [20:08] my god! [20:08] it changed the format on both my swap and linux drive on /dev/sda [20:09] what in gods name was sorcerer doing on /dev/sda? [20:09] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:09] run lvs to see the available partitions [20:09] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] no volume groups found [20:09] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:10] the run vgchange -ay to activate the vg [20:10] no volume groups found [20:11] run pvdisplay and see if you find something use full there, something familiar [20:12] its displaying my /dev/sda partitions they look fine and its saying they are both new physical volumes [20:13] and both are not allocatable [20:13] how can you have lvm2 volumes if you never heard about it? [20:14] that's so strange [20:14] i know [20:14] i think sorcerer did something to /dev/sda while it was installing [20:14] i mean, it takes some time to do the lvm's [20:14] how much time? [20:15] hmm... well, not THAT much time, but i little more time if you install a new system [20:15] So did the sorcerer installation complete? [20:16] yes [20:16] n900_user (1000@173.74.48.177) joined ##slackware. [20:16] and I went down for reboot, and I was going to boot into slack to setup lilo to recognize sorcerer [20:16] I need lunch... [20:17] I tried to get sorcerer to not install lilo, but it said it was going to install it anyway, but it never did activate because my slackware lilo booted up [20:18] good evening everyone. I'm having an issue with this newly set up system running slackware 13.1. It uses a 2wire usb wireless adapter and wpa_supplicant and wicd are set up on this system. I get to scan and attempt to connect via wicd, but it would give me the Connection Failed: Bad password error every single time. Now if I don't use wicd and simply go for iwconfig commands, I'm able to connect just fine. What could be the problem here? (2wire had to be [20:18] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:19] n900_user: your sentence got cutoff after "(2wire had to be [20:20] BP{k}: 2wire had to be loaded via ndiswrapper and its winxp drivers if that helps. Sorry [20:20] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [20:22] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.131.165.223) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:23] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:24] so, with wicd I can scan, see the wireless AP, attempt to connect but it would refuse because of "Connection Failed: Bad password". On the other hand if I do the iwconfig wlan0 up; iwconfig wlan0 key 1234567890; iwconfig wlan0 essid "whateverAP"; dhcpdc wlan0 it connects just fine. This system is a friend's and I'm afraid he won't like it that he's going to have to do commands to connect (I could set up a script to do that but that'll be complicated for h [20:27] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.131.165.223) joined ##slackware. [20:28] n900_user: do you have the correct password type selected? [20:28] am i going to have to reinstall slackware... again? [20:30] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:30] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:30] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:30] dualshoott (1000@unaffiliated/dualshoott) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:30] KaMii: should i install or should i go :) [20:31] XD [20:31] i just dont understand what happened, and want to know if I can get things back [20:31] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] reproduce the error in vbox [20:34] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) joined ##slackware. [20:34] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:34] XGizzmo: sorry, on the phone. Yes, correct type [20:34] then you could know what happend [20:35] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.131.165.223) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:37] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-153-255.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:39] demeter (~demeter@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:39] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [20:40] Nick change: demeter -> macavity [20:41] SpartanVI (~raito@adsl-232-81-153.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Quit: Sir_Konrad [20:41] how can i reproduce the error in vbox when I do not even have anything to work with [20:41] Nick change: bunnyboi -> Jennifur [20:44] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Quit: shonudo [20:44] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:47] SigmaVirus24 (WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) left ##slackware. [20:49] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:49] ah, found out what the problem is. per http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3111518.new it says "Another item I discovered. If I turn off the SSID broadcast of my Netgear router, WICD will not connect. I get the bad password message. Turn SSID back on and then the system works. which shows that the password is correct. [20:49] Known bug in wicd. Although it appears the option to connect to a hidden network is available that option works not at all. [20:49] lookin (~lookin@wjohnd-1-pt.tunnel.tserv14.sea1.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:50] and my wireless is set up to not broadcast ssid, which may explain why it's not working, suppose a serious bug. Just thought I'd share what I've found. [20:52] no one knows? [20:52] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Jennifur (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:53] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:54] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:55] can anyone help me with this: I'm trying to dual-boot Ubuntu (running it now) and install Slackware 13.1. I partitioned my HDD, and when I go to install, it doesn't detect the new partition, only the one with Ubuntu... [20:56] n900_user (1000@173.74.48.177) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:56] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:57] does anyone have and ideas? [20:59] SpartanVI: You should probably explain yourself a little better. Have you added it to your boot loaded menu? Have you installed slackware yet? [21:00] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-196-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [21:00] i tried, when I did, it ended up formatting the wholl disk, not the partition I set up for it, then, when I tried to boot up, the loader read: LIN999999999999999 (and so on) [21:00] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:01] What loader? [21:02] sorry, I meant when I rebooted the screen read LIN99999... [21:02] Is this GRUB or LILO? [21:02] that means you didnt install lilo to the MBR [21:02] SpartanVI: have had that problem before..a long time ago...999999999999999999 chains of 9s [21:02] lin9999 is lilo - 2nd stage boot loader error [21:03] SpartanVI: there should be plenty of information on that problem on google too [21:03] ah.... also, when I partitioned my HDD, it never detected the partition [21:03] lookin (~lookin@wjohnd-1-pt.tunnel.tserv14.sea1.ipv6.he.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:03] or, if your target partition is behind the 512th cylinder, and the disk/bios is too old to understand LBA32 [21:03] slackmagic: I've looked for hours and have came up with squat [21:04] SpartanVI: what did you partition it with? [21:04] gparted [21:04] SpartanVI: you've awaken macavity ! rofl :P haven't seen him for such a long time [21:05] hmm... i havent had any field contact with gparted at all [21:05] i usually partition my disks in a sensible manner from the beginning, so i dont have to resize partitions later... [21:06] well, it took 2 hours resizing Ubuntu, then the Slackware installer never detected the new partition [21:06] if all else fails: backup, use [c]fdisk and nuke the thing [21:06] Action: KaMii wonders if I need to nuke my slackware [21:06] SpartanVI: there's your problem [21:06] nyRednek: [21:06] KaMii: that's up to you [21:06] same here about the partitioning thing. And if I recall correctly, I had that 99999999 error back when I started with linux in 2003. So it's been a while [21:06] have you been following my problem? [21:07] KaMii: i just got home [21:07] KaMii: just minutes ago [21:07] SpartanVI: can you get to delete and re-make the newly created partition with cfdisk when you are in ubuntu? [21:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LILO_%28boot_loader%29#Error_codes see 0x99 [21:08] do you think that I need to format the partition to something before I try to install? [21:08] nyRednek: I put Sorcerer on /dev/sdb2 when I rebooted to go into slackware I get a nasty kernel panic and it appears /dev/sda is borked, LVM2_memebers error [21:08] SpartanVI: http://www.google.com/search?q=lilo+999+boot+error&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [21:09] KaMii: try to boot it from your slack boot cd [21:09] nyRednek: I did, and I cannot mount [21:09] it give me the same error [21:09] KaMii: sounds like sda is phucked, then [21:09] but how did that happen? I never told sorcerer to even look at /dev/sda [21:10] KaMii: no telling [21:10] i dont understand. and why would it set up a LVM2 on /dev/sda (both swap and linux) [21:10] when I booted from the cd, it worked normally... but I'm still trying to figure out why it didn't detect another partition [21:11] KaMii: you inadvertently told it to...? [21:11] i never once touched those partitions [21:11] only thing I can guess is thre was a backgrounded script that ran without my knowledge [21:12] Kaapa_ (~Something@a95-93-242-251.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:12] for it to take out both swap and linux partitions on /dev/sda that just really makes me mad [21:12] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-242-251.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:12] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [21:13] so all data is lost? I probably cannot break in and get things off there somehow? [21:13] yeah you should have backedup your porn before [21:13] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] KaMii: someone once told me that that popular torrent sites have expencive data recovery software available, which, if you live in a country that does not abide to the Berne convention, is legal to download and utilize against your eminent problem [21:16] well all I want to get is the compiled slackbuilds that were not yet transfered over to my external, and my sims 3 saves [21:16] heh [21:16] nothing else is on there, as I just did a fresh slack 13.1 install last week [21:16] Action: nyRednek is tempted to go back to netbsd [21:17] oh and i would like to grab my .conkyrc file [21:17] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-240.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [21:17] and not to mention, the 4+ hours its going to take to reinstall WoW [21:18] KaMii: First you need to find out exactly what has happened to your partitions. If sourcerer has done something to it, look in the documentation for sourcerer on how it handles disk during install etc. [21:19] i dont know where to look for that [21:19] and sorcerer is kinda busy compiling itself right now [21:20] From where you got your installation media? [21:21] ha, their website is void of useful documentation [21:22] It might have converted your partitions to LVM (if that is even possible) or it may have overwritten them. From the information you gave me before, they do not contain any logical volumes only physical so to me it seems like the installation is half-way through or something like that [21:22] well, ya it is half way through [21:22] but why would it do anything to /dev/sda in the first place? [21:23] Probably because someone told it to [21:23] well it wasnt me, i know that for a fact [21:23] Are you installing it as we speak? [21:23] as we speak sorcerer is now compiling itself [21:24] The best way to look for help is from sourcerer people. Perhaps, it magically has finish the convertion of your partitions to LVM once the entire installation is done. Or it will wipe the data... who knows [21:24] Wow, am I drunk? [21:25] Action: KaMii is not hopefull [21:25] and only one other person is in the #sorcerer room and hes not talking [21:25] patience is a virtue [21:25] because i think he is a bot [21:25] you only told souceror to do something with sdb or some else? [21:26] macavity: correct, i only told it to touch /dev/sdb [21:26] it should have left /dev/sda alone [21:26] KaMii: Sorcerer is not intended for beginners in system administration because it assumes that the system administrator (SA) knows how to (and wants to do it) configure and tweak the system and installed software to suit his/her needs. [21:26] but it seems to have changed both swap and linux partitions to lvm [21:26] That is the risk you take:) [21:27] ouch [21:27] seems to? [21:27] i know this, which is why I was putting it on a different drive [21:27] fdisk -l says so? [21:27] fdisk -l says they are still swap and linux partitions [21:27] but I mount says otherwise [21:27] interesting [21:28] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [21:28] thats what im feeling [21:28] and you said the command pvs showed stuff right? [21:28] if that is just a plain bug i'd say you'd be eligble for a round of beer if you pinpoint it :P [21:28] yes but pvs said they were both lvm2 file systems [21:28] so its like I am getting conflicting reports [21:29] if its a bug its a serious one they need to fix [21:29] but i think its too early to rule it a bug [21:30] ok, fdisk -l reads from /proc/partitions [21:31] the way i read it, fdisk -l /dev/sda should make it read directly from the device [21:31] but fdisk -l reports the same information from the slack install dvd and from within sorcerer [21:31] but it is just a vague assumption, as the text isnt 100% clear [21:31] ok [21:32] but mount gets the willies [21:33] Action: macavity scratches head [21:34] mannynix (~mannynix@201.132.49.12) joined ##slackware. [21:35] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:36] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:37] something went haywire [21:37] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [21:37] if this only showed the problem to one partition, I would blame myself. But since it is doing this to both swap and linux partitions on /dev/sda then I think something foul happened [21:38] Not to be too pestimistic but I think you are done. It seems like something has created Physical Volumes over your existing partitions [21:38] is it impossible to uncreate those? [21:38] or once that happens, its over [21:39] Perhaps: see, http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.misc/2007-09/msg02099.html [21:40] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [21:43] would that work for ext4? [21:44] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [21:44] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.131.165.223) joined ##slackware. [21:45] KaMii: who knows, read the man pages of the given tools and read up what differs ext3 from ext4. [21:46] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.157.35) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:47] You might want to dd your disk to somewhere else so you can give it a couple of goes [21:47] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.234.92) joined ##slackware. [21:48] :S [21:51] and remember, we are working on the assumption that pvcreate actually was what happened, it might be something completely else causing it [21:51] ya, thats what i figured [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488FA5B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:55] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [21:56] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.131.165.223) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:56] goj (~goj@p5488FBDE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:56] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:59] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Quit: = gone [22:00] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:56] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:56] Nick change: slck-o -> |Slacker| [22:58] What group do you have to add a non-root user to for hal access? [22:59] AndChat- (~PiterPunk@187.117.21.107) joined ##slackware. [22:59] AndChat- (~PiterPunk@187.117.21.107) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:59] plugdev? [22:59] gobi42 (~IceChat7@70-13-158-169.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:00] piterpk (~PiterPunk@187.88.177.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:01] gobi42 (~IceChat7@70-13-158-169.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] thanks [23:02] piterpk (~PiterPunk@187.117.21.107) joined ##slackware. [23:02] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:03] pilipo (~pilipo@203.177.147.86) joined ##slackware. [23:04] http://omploader.org/vNTVmYQ/2010-08-04-22-57.jpg [23:04] That's the error message I'm getting. [23:04] did you logout and log back in? [23:05] Did you reboot? [23:05] You actually need to restart hald or reboot for the permissions to work afaik [23:09] It didn't work. [23:09] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: dormir [23:09] whats the output of groups as user? [23:10] SlackerD: /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload .. log out all of your users Xsessions, console sessions and other sessions and log back in [23:10] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:11] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:12] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [23:12] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:14] SlackerD (~kvirc@pool-72-82-100-238.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: CAN I HAZ BANHAMMER? [23:16] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:23] gobi42_ (~IceChat7@70-13-158-169.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] gobi42 (~IceChat7@70-13-158-169.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:23] gobi42_ (~IceChat7@70-13-158-169.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:23] gobi42 (~IceChat7@70-13-158-169.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:28] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-6.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] hello all [23:29] hi [23:29] hey shonudo [23:29] hey MLanden [23:29] good evening [23:29] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:29] piterpk (~PiterPunk@187.117.21.107) left irc: Quit: Bye [23:32] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] hello gniks... sort of missed you in that exchange [23:34] lol [23:34] likely story ;) [23:35] mlanden made my nick light up [23:35] :0 [23:35] :) [23:35] that "hi" was way too subtle [23:35] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.25.20) joined ##slackware. [23:35] anything for bling-bling eh? [23:36] sorry [23:36] aye... eye candy addict [23:36] :p [23:36] shonudo: anything for bling-bling eh? [23:36] there you go [23:36] got it... [23:36] lol [23:36] delt0r_ (~delt0r@188-22-174-8.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [23:38] delt0r___ (~delt0r@188-22-22-12.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:42] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. 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