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[00:10] <UbuntuUser> where can i find the slackware live cd iso?
[00:12] <tuxdev> UbuntuUser, IIRC the last time slack had an official live cd was 12.2
[00:12] <deco> UbuntuUser: in the internets
[00:12] <twolf> the internets are cool
[00:12] <deco> indee
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[00:12] <deco> indeed*
[00:14] <UbuntuUser> so why no more live cd?
[00:14] <BP{k}> tuxdev: uhm .. say what?
[00:14] <tuxdev> or was it 11.2?
[00:14] <BP{k}> slackware hasn't had a live cd.
[00:14] <UbuntuUser> then how can i test it with my hardware?
[00:15] <tuxdev> BP{k}, the second disc was often a dedicated rescue live cd
[00:15] <BP{k}> tuxdev: there was never 11.2
[00:15] <twolf> zipslack
[00:15] <Rat409> nope,variants have but not slackware
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[00:15] <BP{k}> twolf: zipslack is not a livecd
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[00:15] <twolf> didn't say it was
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[00:15] <tuxdev> BP{k}, my memory fails me horribly today
[00:16] <hiptobecubic> I don't get it.
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[00:17] <hiptobecubic> Everything that needed the cdrom (including hald and mount) went into IO lockup. htop reported them as 'D' for dead. Reboot into WinXP. Works fine. Reboot into slackware32, works fine. Reboot into Slackware64... works fine. But this isn't the first time that this has happened, either.
[00:18] <hiptobecubic> It's like after my computer has been on for awhile it takes a shit and everything stops working. Suspend dumps a stack trace to dmesg. cdrom locks up. sometimes it won't even respond to sysrq after suspend fails
[00:19] <hiptobecubic> this thing is a turd. i can't figure it out
[00:19] <Rat409> sounds like a bad psu
[00:20] <hiptobecubic> Rat409, psu? why that?
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[00:21] <Rat409> well because its common to all hw. could be mem,hdd too but i'd suspect psu first for a heat problem
[00:22] <hiptobecubic> I don't think it's a heat problem, the fan rarely ever runs and sensors show things around 44C
[00:22] <Rat409> hmm well guess i'm wrong then hmm
[00:23] <hiptobecubic> I think this cdrom thing might be hal. Now it's failing to automount my usb drive.
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[00:24] <hiptobecubic> what the hell.
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[00:28] <hiptobecubic> the usb stick is seen by hal according to hal-device, but that's it.
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[00:29] <hiptobecubic> ALTHOUGH, i am using openbox now. perhaps the automounting had something to do with xfce before
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[00:31] <Rat409> try xfconfig-query &
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[00:32] <Rat409> similar to kded4 & or gnome-sttings-daemon &
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[00:32] <Rat409> s/sttings/settings
[00:33] <Rat409> using respective DE globals
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[00:34] <hiptobecubic> thunar --daemon.... I didn't realize thunar-volman was handling my automounts
[00:34] <l0lwu7> is there anyway to check if 'dd' is doing anything? About an hour ago i ran 'dd if=/dev/sda of/dev/sdb' and its still running at least i think..
[00:35] <hiptobecubic> l0lwu7, iostat perhaps?
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[00:36] <Rat409> or top, htop , or ps aux |grep dd
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[00:36] <MLanden> heya,slackers
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[00:36] <Rat409> hey MLanden
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[00:36] <MLanden> heya,Rat409
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[00:37] <l0lwu7> hiptobecubic, iostat doesnt work, im running it from a boot disk
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[00:48] <MLanden> brb
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[00:50] <Linux-IRC> Hi,
[00:50] <Linux-IRC> Is anyone here ?
[00:50] <fire|bird> no, everyone left.
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[00:51] <Linux-IRC> Is there anything like slackware minimal cd like archlinux installer cd or debian minimum cd ?
[00:54] <Rat409> yes, cd #1
[00:55] <Rat409> fire|bird: slackpkg on cd#2?
[00:56] <fire|bird> Rat409: Hmm, I'm not sure, I want to say that's on cd #1, but I don't know. I'm sure someone else does though.
[00:57] <Rat409> i can't recall either but the readme,etc will be on mirrors
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[00:57] <antiwire> slackpkg is in ap which is on CD1
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[00:57] <antiwire> http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php
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[00:58] <Rat409> cool thanks antiwire . well Linux-IRC your answer is cd#1 then
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[01:01] <Linux-IRC> antiwire: Is it over 180MB ?
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[01:01] <Linux-IRC> first cd
[01:01] <antiwire> by far
[01:01] <antiwire> What are you trying to do?
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[01:02] <Linux-IRC> antiwire: Minimal installer cd for slackware 13
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[01:13] <l0lwu7> is the bs flag necessary for cloning a hd with dd, i ran dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb and its been running for a few hours now
[01:14] <antiwire> no
[01:14] <antiwire> and it will run for a long time.
[01:14] <l0lwu7> what does it do? all i can find is that its supposed to be in multiples of two and its the byte size
[01:14] <antiwire> depends on the size of the disk being cloned and the throughput of the system
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[01:15] <antiwire> it's block transfer size
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[01:15] <antiwire> you do not need to set it but you can set it and tuning that option can improve the speed of the operation
[01:16] <antiwire> there are other reasons to use that option too but not specifying that option will not cause a failure.
[01:16] <l0lwu7> ok, is there anywhere other then the man page that you recommend reading up on it?
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[01:17] <PiousMinion> Do I need more than just CD1, or does slackware have a network install option like many other distros?
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[01:19] <antiwire> What exactly are you looking for? Do you mean network install as in a full PXE boot or just booting off a disk and installing from a network based package store?
[01:19] <antiwire> either option is supported
[01:19] Nick change: notKlaat1 -> tooLazy2ghost
[01:20] <PiousMinion> antiwire: thanks.
[01:20] <antiwire> Read the contents of the disk 1
[01:20] <antiwire> There is a lot of reading material on the install medias
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[01:22] <hiptobecubic> What's the point of using clamd if you can just run clamscan yourself?
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[01:23] <antiwire> automatic scanning of Linux systems acting as Windows file or email servers.
[01:23] <antiwire> unless you want to sit there and manually scan all that bullcrap all day long
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[01:26] <antiwire> I think clamd also allows for automatic updates
[01:26] <MLanden> heya,slackers
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[01:29] <fire|bird> welcome back MLanden :)
[01:29] <MLanden> thanks fire|bird...how're ya doin'?
[01:30] <fire|bird> MLanden: great, thanks. How are you?
[01:30] <MLanden> doin' great...just messin' with latest source from qemu that I think was released sometime this week
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[01:36] <MLanden> fire|bird: messin' with anything new?
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[01:37] <fire|bird> MLanden: indeed I am, cloudcity atm, for kde, a theme engine. http://imagebin.org/74014
[01:37] <l0lwu7> antiwire, sweet man it finished thanks! lol
[01:38] <MLanden> fire|bird: sweet....real nice on the eyes...-O,O-...:P
[01:39] <fire|bird> MLanden: yeah, very nice. I just started messing with it tonight.
[01:39] <MLanden> fire|bird: cool
[01:40] <deco> fire|bird: i thought it was OSX for a sec :P
[01:41] <fire|bird> deco: yeah, that's sort of what it's styled after with that bar at the top (bar is just a panel and a plasmoid.
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[02:11] <MLanden> brb
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[02:14] <SOUL_OF_R00T> great salution for all my brother's
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[02:18] <SOUL_OF_R00T> very thanks for help alien's :)
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[02:28] <SOUL_OF_R00T> hi slackie :) kiss in your heart. :)
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[02:30] <tripFantastic> his english is very interesting and literal
[02:30] <tripFantastic> is he making sense yet?
[02:31] <antiwire> tripping to be fantastic you are?
[02:31] <tripFantastic> tripping the light fantastic :)
[02:31] <SOUL_OF_R00T> it 'is one new experience for me :)
[02:31] <tripFantastic> SOUL_OF_R00T ok
[02:31] <tripFantastic> SOUL_OF_R00T where are you from?
[02:32] <SOUL_OF_R00T> Brasil
[02:32] <tripFantastic> ok
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[02:37] <SOUL_OF_R00T> no more confirmations is needed for me *!@!*
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[02:38] <SOUL_OF_R00T> o sábia cantou
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[02:40] <SOUL_OF_R00T> várias vezes
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[02:42] <SOUL_OF_R00T> hi tsonev :)
[02:43] <SOUL_OF_R00T> it's one success
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[02:44] <SOUL_OF_R00T> the insect it's materialized on light
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[02:45] <SOUL_OF_R00T> o sábia canta com spaços junto ao som de uma cigarra ¹
[02:46] <Narcotic> anyone have a problem with the default kaudiocreator that comes with slackware 13?  i try to rip a CD into FLAC and i get malformed URL error with the default command it has, etc
[02:48] <Narcotic> disregard, rm .kde/share/config/kaudiocreatorrc and try application again (guess it had old settings)
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[02:50] <SOUL_OF_R00T> it's a çittle nigth for a men but a great day for freedom history !
[02:50] <SOUL_OF_R00T> çittle/tittle.
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[02:52] <SOUL_OF_R00T> 05:52 here sync...
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[02:54] <SOUL_OF_R00T> nice work padawans ! :)
[02:55] <SOUL_OF_R00T> a litle lag time has encountered
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[02:59] <Narcotic> nevermind the problem returned
[03:00] <Narcotic> kaudiocreator can be such a piece of garbage
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[03:15] <crash> how do i add a local user to have access on a program?
[03:15] <mancha> you can make it groups executable and add the user to the program'sgroup
[03:15] <tewmten> group permissions
[03:16] <crash> is there a builtin admin group?
[03:16] <crash> in linux ?
[03:16] <mancha> depends on distrib, some use wheel
[03:16] <crash> its slack ...
[03:16] <crash> 13
[03:17] <mancha> slack goes with group "wheel"
[03:17] <crash> how do i look up the groups?
[03:18] <mancha> if you choose to use that add your user to the wheel group, then make your program owned by user:wheel then make sure it has +x on group
[03:18] <crash> is there a command to check the current groups in the system?
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[03:18] <mancha> crash, i strongly recommend that before you do any of this stuff you read some good intro to linux
[03:19] <mancha> these changes can cause damage if done by a person who isn't too clear on acls; which i think you're not.
[03:19] <mancha> maybe the slackbook?
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[03:22] <crash> i think i have a decent grasp on acl...just that i'm not so familiar with many linux commands.
[03:23] <crash> i just wanted to double check the default group in linux....like in windows there is an Admin group
[03:23] <crash> and i can just add a user under that group...
[03:23] <crash> just wondering if there is a way i can check what are the default groups in slack.
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[03:25] <crash> ????
[03:25] <SOUL_OF_R00T> no
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[03:26] <crash> i cant check what are the default groups?
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[03:31] <crash> under /etc/group are this all the group in the system?
[03:31] <crash> nvm it is...
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[03:54] <Zordrak> Morn
[03:54] <fire|bird> morning Zordrak
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[03:57] Action: Zordrak is all done LUKSing. LUKS covers OS disk, storage disk and a disk that backs up the other two to take home :)
[03:58] <alreadygone> morning Zordrak
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[04:47] <Bassist> Hey all, anyone know whether SW 13 automatically detects external displays (beamers and what not..)?
[04:48] <Bassist> I have a presentation this afternoon, but have no possibility of testing that before
[04:48] <Bassist> Using LXDE btw
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[04:52] <Zordrak> depends on the grapgics driver
[04:52] <Zordrak> *graphics
[04:52] <mancha> google not contributing directly to bind, hrmm, not sure i like that
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[05:09] <alisonken1noc> Bassist: as long as it's a supported video card that the external display is connected to, yes
[05:09] <Bassist> Ok thanks
[05:09] <alisonken1noc> that's more of an X / KDE thing
[05:10] <Bassist> Intel 945 GM, it's worked before under Ubuntu and LXDE
[05:10] <kimjeng> my x  doesnt in slackware 13 work, but i have working fedora 12 and opesuse 11.2  , will their xoerg.conf work for slack 13?
[05:10] <alisonken1noc> my laptop on 13.0 has no problem picking up the external vga when I plug it into the vga port of the lcd tv I have
[05:10] <Bassist> alisonken1noc: Ok thanks
[05:10] <Bassist> Haven't fiddled around with xorg.conf/HAL or anything for that sort, so I suppose it should work
[05:11] <alisonken1noc> kimjeng: are you using /etc/X11/xorg.conf? if yes, try renaming it to xorg.conf.old and letting X autodetect
[05:11] <init[1]> Bassist: best solution would be to use VESA
[05:12] <init[1]> Bassist: i had an issue (nv binary driver), and i did real trouble shooting in front of the audience :D,how much geek should i be ;)
[05:13] <kimjeng> all that failed
[05:13] <Bassist> init[1]: Hopefully they didn't leave 20 minutes into the ordeal :P
[05:13] <alisonken1noc> personally, I try to check ahead of time :)
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[05:13] <Bassist> kimjeng: What happens when you execute startx ?
[05:13] <Bassist> And which runlevel are you on?
[05:14] <init[1]> Bassist: well :) ,Bassist i would suggest you to use vesa , do consider others opinion too :)
[05:14] <house> what settings should i choose in order for my internetz to work ? @ vmware
[05:14] <init[1]> house: enable NAT
[05:14] <alisonken1noc> runlevel 3 or 5, that is assuming your network is working
[05:14] <house> i idid
[05:14] <alisonken1noc> house: "less /etc/inittab"
[05:15] <kimjeng> an error message like thi:s http://pastebin.com/m8a07ff8
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[05:16] <house> no such file inittab
[05:16] <Zordrak> O_O
[05:16] <Bassist> house: Ubuntu?
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[05:16] <alisonken1noc> in directory /etc there should be a file named inittab - if not, somethings borked, like you're not running slackware
[05:16] <house> what about ubuntu ?
[05:17] <Bassist> /etc/inittab doesn't exist in Ubuntu
[05:17] <Bassist> Or what system are you running?
[05:17] <house> worked now . . needed some cd ..
[05:17] <alisonken1noc> debian has it as well
[05:17] <alisonken1noc> that's why I put "less /etc/inittab" :)
[05:17] <init[1]> kimjeng: for the driver type in vesa
[05:18] <SOUL_OF_R00T> (1977/5737;2009/X;X=?)->:)
[05:18] <init[1]> kimjeng: Driver      "vesa"
[05:18] <Zordrak> alienBOB: slightly longer ban mayhaps? ^
[05:18] <kimjeng> init[1] trying ,
[05:18] <init[1]> SOUL_OF_R00T: would please be in lower case ?
[05:19] <kimjeng> Bassist : how do i know my run level
[05:19] <house> ok so it`s some sort of config file
[05:19] <house> now what :)
[05:19] <SOUL_OF_R00T> soomeone has atempt to my existence...
[05:20] <SOUL_OF_R00T> thanks :)
[05:20] <init[1]> kimjeng: grep id  /etc/inittab <- default runlevel
[05:20] <alisonken1noc> kimjeng: /sbin/runlevel
[05:20] <Bassist> kimjeng: Just execute 'runlevel'
[05:21] <Bassist> If it says N 3, edit the following line in /etc/inittab
[05:21] <alisonken1noc> he needs to make sure his X works first
[05:21] <alisonken1noc> before editing inittab
[05:21] <Bassist> id:3:initdefault:
[05:21] <init[1]> Bassist: does it make any difference even if he is in 4 ?
[05:22] <init[1]> isn't it just matter of startx ?
[05:22] <house> so about my internet
[05:23] <init[1]> kimjeng: did you try vesa?
[05:23] <kimjeng> changing to "vesa" worked
[05:23] <Bassist> init[1]: Yeah I guess, but it seems nobody has suggested that before :)
[05:23] <init[1]> Bassist: :)
[05:23] <init[1]> kimjeng: thats my boy ;)
[05:24] <kimjeng> Bassist: i was not eager tot try that i wanted all else to fail first
[05:24] <kimjeng> init[1]: thanks
[05:24] <init[1]> kimjeng: no HW Acce
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[05:24] <init[1]> kimjeng: that is kinda safe mode for you , while you try the real driver :)
[05:24] <house> when i install slackware what setting should i choose when the network must be determined . loopback dhcp or the other one . i`m trying to make it run under vmware
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[05:26] <init[1]> kimjeng: poor you, you have been with this issue for day isn't it ?
[05:27] <kimjeng> not a day but days
[05:27] <kimjeng> i first starte the isssue like three days ago
[05:28] <init[1]> house: dhcp is the logical choice
[05:28] <kimjeng> but yesterday there was some power trouble so i coilsd do nothing , the power failure cought me while i was still here talking to you
[05:28] <init[1]> kimjeng: yea i miss typed it ;)
[05:28] <init[1]> s/day/days/
[05:29] <kimjeng> ok
[05:29] <kimjeng> now what do about with the  real driver?
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[05:37] <kimjeng> i i supposed to have a rc.conf in /etc  in slack 13?
[05:37] <toastytoast>  wow some newegg customer reviews are funny as hell
[05:37] <Zordrak> kimjeng: um no
[05:38] <toastytoast> like one i saw for ram the con was nuns... i ahte nuns
[05:38] <kimjeng> well figuring this out will be trouble.
[05:38] <toastytoast> and for artic silver thermal paste
[05:39] <toastytoast> Doesnt work well with my air conditioner, nor as a salad dressing.
[05:39] <Zordrak> asV ftw
[05:40] <toastytoast> seriosly if you ahven't noticed sopme of the newegg review i do recomne you take sometime out and read some
[05:40] <toastytoast> funny as hell some are
[05:40] <toastytoast> altho i supose you might not find hell funny but w/e
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[06:07] <kimjeng> where do i get the latest drivers for intel 945g?
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[06:09] <blacksheep> morning ?
[06:09] Nick change: blacksheep -> beatzz
[06:09] <nyRednek> beatzz: hey
[06:09] <nyRednek> beatzz: having issues, had to trash my irclogs and settings...
[06:09] <beatzz> i knew someone would be on.
[06:09] <nyRednek> not sure what trashed it
[06:10] <beatzz> hmm, thats strange.
[06:10] <nyRednek> it just refused to load with my scripts and settings in place
[06:10] <beatzz> /var/log/messages | grep name_of_log
[06:10] <beatzz> ?
[06:10] <nyRednek> i'm gonna have to put everything back real quick
[06:11] <beatzz> i just woke up
[06:11] <beatzz> gata go to work :x
[06:11] <beatzz> its suposed to snow today here in San Antonio TX
[06:11] <beatzz> lol
[06:12] <nyRednek> ok...hasn't snowed ye here in nyc
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[06:19] <beatzz> ur in NYC?!!
[06:19] <beatzz> lucky bastard
[06:19] <beatzz> i wana live there so bad.
[06:20] <beatzz> well, hi-ho its off to work i go :'(
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[06:30] <Emeau> anyone have tips/docs/links on apache clustering for wordpress(mu) like webapp ?
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[06:41] <ananke> Emeau: have you tried #apache? :)
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[06:42] <Emeau> erf, nop...
[06:43] <Emeau> i'll do, thanks :)
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[06:53] <lf4> A coworker changed my bash shell to not accept space's. Any one know of a way I could fix that?
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[06:55] <house> ok .. my internet is working :) now how do i change from kde to xfce ?
[06:56] <mancha> as in pressing spacebar does nothing?
[06:57] <lf4> mancha: That is correct and even pasting removes spaces
[06:57] <lf4> This coworker things he's in charge of this system and its getting really annoying trying to access the data on it because of all this dumb things.
[06:57] <lf4> s/this/these
[06:58] <lf4> house: Run "xwmconfig" with out the quotes
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[06:58] <ananke> report him to management, and move on
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[06:58] <lf4> house: As root=system wide as user=just for that user.
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[06:59] <yskapell> hello
[06:59] <house> thanks lf4
[06:59] <lf4> ananke: lol we've told our supervisor. and I dont have proof that he changed it so the space character is removed.
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[06:59] <lf4> house: You're welcome. :)
[07:00] <ananke> so what makes you think it's his fault/doing?
[07:01] <lf4> He was removing all of us from groups and limiting our access. He thinks this system is his. :/
[07:01] <lf4> I'm starting to hate this job more and more lol
[07:01] <yskapell> in vlc-1.0.3/extras/contrib/ i run the ./bootstrap and then make when it compiles libtheora i get this error enc/x86_64/dsp_mmx.c:37: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm' any idea about this?
[07:02] <ananke> lf4: sounds like an issue between you and your management
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[07:03] <hitest> lf4: any idea why he would want to limit your access?
[07:04] <ananke> and quite seriously, unless you know what he did, how do you expect to 'fix' it or 'undo' it?
[07:05] <lf4> hitest: he's just being difficult. this is just a file system for the most part that he runs his scripts for testing and stuff on. it's not like I was going to break it.
[07:06] <lf4> ananke: That's the whole thing I can check what he did if I can some how use space. I have rights I just cant run commands becuase of the limited spaces.
[07:06] <ananke> is this impeding your work? if so, tell the management.
[07:06] <lf4> I'll get root access and check tomorrow. Just wanted to know if anyone might have known a quick fix/trick tonight.
[07:07] <lf4> ananke: Yes it is and that is what I will do.
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[07:07] <hitest> lf4: it may be nothing personal. he probably just does not trust anyone and wants to lock down the box and protect it.
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[07:10] <nyRednek> hmmm
[07:11] <nyRednek> seems i've been inadvertently screwing my irssi setup
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[07:11] <mancha> his idea of securing it is to disable the spacebar? doesn't strike me as too bright
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[07:11] <nyRednek> brb
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[07:12] <nyRednek> ok...
[07:12] <nyRednek> let's see which script's presence kills my irssi
[07:13] Action: hitest has a sysdamin at work who does not like linux. my linux boxes are gone. I run Win 7 at work....blech...
[07:13] <yskapell> any idea? it will make me crazy... I removed ffomit and still the same
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[07:14] <cteg> lots of script dont run here because of missing perl stuff...but i hate that cpan thing and i'm too lazy for that
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[07:14] <cteg> *scripts
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[07:14] <hiptobecubic> cteg, CPAN is pretty hideous, but it does seem to work
[07:14] Action: Zordrak <3 CPAN
[07:15] <cteg> yes...but what scares me is that i have lots of stuff i dont know anything of somewhere on my disk
[07:15] <cteg> until the probably next installation..everything is gone
[07:15] <Zordrak> perl has a custom structure and it all goes in there
[07:15] <Zordrak> all under /usr/lib/perl
[07:15] <cteg> what i've seen is a cpan2tgz...is that working?
[07:16] <Zordrak> *shrug* cpan works so well ive never needed to look at it
[07:16] <tripFantastic> lf4 spaces, kbd and bash?  if you can root, then reload a keymap, review any ~/.inputrc
[07:16] <cteg> Zordrak: other problem is i dont even know what to download with cpan, the script fails with some cryptical message...
[07:16] <tripFantastic> lf4 and /etc/{profile,profile,d}
[07:16] <Zordrak> theres really no reason not to use cpan... deleting stuff it installs is just a matteur of clearing a subtree in /usr/lib/perl
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[07:17] <Zordrak> cteg: pastebin & google. Not to mention irc.perl.org
[07:17] <cteg> ok i'll give it a try again with scriptassist
[07:18] <ananke> you can configure cpan to install in any arbitrary dir, and simply have PERL5LIB env variable set to use it
[07:19] <cteg> Can't locate LWP/UserAgent.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
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[07:19] <cteg> so basically i have to search someplace for that useragent thing
[07:21] <ananke> cpan -i LWP
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[07:21] <macavity> :-)
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[07:23] <cteg> it really worked ;)
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[07:29] <lf4> tripFantastic: only in bash I can use space in other applications and on the system its only in my bash sessions. I'll bring a livecd tomorrow and get root access to review the files.
[07:29] <lf4> hey macavity
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[07:30] <tripFantastic> lf4 ok ... if you have no bar, i'd look at the keymap file
[07:30] <tripFantastic> cn you root?
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[07:31] <Richlv> anybody got a link to the solaris (?) engineer response to somebody who pointed out an inefficiency in their network code ?
[07:31] <tripFantastic> lf4 be sure to peek at file times too
[07:31] <lf4> tripFantastic: not right now I don't know the root password he made it some hash becuase "no one needs to know it" his words.
[07:31] <lf4> tripFantastic: I'll do that and also review his bash history.
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[07:31] <tripFantastic> lf4 yea (wow; he's being a PITA)
[07:32] <tripFantastic> lf4 definately file a complaint with a higher pointy head
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[07:32] <lf4> all this because I want to move one file from my ~/ to our file server lol.
[07:32] <tripFantastic> k
[07:33] <lf4> tripFantastic: I'll do that but I want proof first that he was the one who removed my bar
[07:33] <tripFantastic> lf4 ok; also check file acl's
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[07:33] <tripFantastic> review the logs too
[07:34] <lf4> Will do :)
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[07:51] <The-Croupier> greetings
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[07:51] <The-Croupier> quick question: anybody uses MAC? and knows where the extensions/libraries load? need to delete a file but i see that even root cannot delete for some reason ;)
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[07:51] <hitest> hello, The-Croupier
[07:52] <The-Croupier> need to know where libraries load to disable the wireless card from loading ;)
[07:52] <The-Croupier> anyone seen it before?
[07:52] <The-Croupier> hiya hitest ;) hows you bro ?
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[07:52] <hitest> The-Croupier: I am very well, ty:) how are you, man?
[07:53] <Pig_Pen> chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless
[07:53] <Pig_Pen> or is it a firmware / module thing?
[07:53] <The-Croupier> thanks Pig_Pen ;) ill try ... you know im talking about mac right...
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[07:54] <The-Croupier> its kext ;) looks like a module to me ;)
[07:54] <The-Croupier> hitest: not bad ...long time no see.. having trouble with the above though ;)
[07:54] <Pig_Pen> then it is a firmware & modules thing, probably got to blacklist it
[07:54] <The-Croupier> seeya in a bit ;)
[07:55] <The-Croupier> Pig_Pen: how to? real quick command? im really in a hurry at work you see...
[07:56] <The-Croupier> i have no clue where that would be...ive not used any ever...;) and its required for one pc ....
[07:56] <Pig_Pen> i think /etc/udev somewhere is a blacklist file, just add some entries to blacklist the modules & firmware, its easy to follow once you open it with a text editor
[07:57] <hitest> The-Croupier: yes, it is good to see you again too. yeah, I'm kinda mac challenged:) I do admin my daughter's macbook, but, don't use it myself.
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[07:58] <Pig_Pen> nope, it is /etc/modprobe.d
[07:58] <Pig_Pen> The-Croupier: ^^
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[08:03] <nyRednek> what use is that?
[08:04] <nyRednek> oy
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[08:06] <alienBOB> Blam
[08:06] <hitest> slackboy rules:)
[08:07] <macavity> lulz
[08:07] <allend> lol
[08:08] <macavity> i think he was on acid or something
[08:08] <allend> more like a random bot
[08:08] <mancha> i don't think they make acid sufficiently strong
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[08:08] <macavity> mancha: its just a matter of dose :P
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[08:09] <Pig_Pen> slackboy's vengence strikes faster than Thor's hammer
[08:09] <macavity> mancha: 500µg is enough to send in orbit around Mars
[08:09] <mancha> he's probably on some unknown brazilian rainforest tree root drink
[08:09] <macavity> lol
[08:10] <The-Croupier> sorry i was trying that... there is no /etc/modprobe.d ;)
[08:10] <The-Croupier> i found a moduli file..cannot open it though...
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[08:10] <The-Croupier> i found some kext folders... but cannot remove them even as root since it says filesystem readonly something ;)
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[08:12] <mrselfpwn> The-Croupier: Is it ntfs and did you use ntfs-3g?
[08:12] <frullet> Can anyone give me the name of that app that provides weather information on your desktop?
[08:13] <mancha> xfce has a plugin for that
[08:13] <mancha> there are surely gazillion others out there
[08:13] <mrselfpwn> man, i'd kill for some V8
[08:13] <The-Croupier> mrselfpwn: ?! macOS journaled ;)
[08:14] <frullet> mrselfpwn: its on SBo, just can't remember the name of it..
[08:14] <frullet> mancha: ^
[08:14] <mrselfpwn> i use one that is ncurses based.
[08:15] <mancha> cursetheweather?
[08:15] <mrselfpwn> yeah
[08:15] <mrselfpwn> and then there is always WEATHER command lol
[08:15] <pprkut> cwp as well
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[08:16] Action: Camarade_Tux waves at the channel :) 
[08:17] Action: The-Croupier waves back 
[08:17] <nyRednek> anyone feel like testing an irssi plugin, "blowjob"
[08:17] Action: Camarade_Tux handshakes with The-Croupier :) 
[08:17] <mrselfpwn> 0/
[08:18] <nyRednek> {blow} 51434d42456e7862626e375866355a33535044536b2b795259715344724156496b3371442b634775742b566852586b300a
[08:18] <sahk0> blowfish encryption?
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[08:18] <Camarade_Tux> nyRednek: feel like testing but not the plugin :)
[08:18] <mrselfpwn> heh
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[08:19] Action: The-Croupier agrees with Camarade_Tux ;)
[08:19] <mancha> i always encrypt my irc chat, but i use the safest: double rot-13
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[08:19] <sahk0> :)
[08:19] <The-Croupier> i would test anyones girlfriend for that (not plugin) ;)
[08:20] <nyRednek> sahk0: yeah, blowfish encryption
[08:20] <nyRednek> mancha: yeah, double rot13
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[08:25] <kimjeng> hi after running installpkg on a tgz file the things been installed ? or i need to do more?
[08:26] <macavity> its installed
[08:26] <hitest> it has been installed,
[08:26] <macavity> kimjeng: you can see the package-log in /var/log/packages/
[08:26] <hitest> you're good to go
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[08:26] <kimjeng> ok
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[08:35] <nyRednek> ok, blowssi is better
[08:36] <nyRednek> btw, someone /msg me
[08:40] <Camarade_Tux> nyRednek: die!
[08:40] <nachox> what's up?
[08:41] <nyRednek> Camarade_Tux: that wasn't technically me typing
[08:41] <Camarade_Tux> nyRednek testing a chatterbot for PMs ^^
[08:41] <Camarade_Tux> nyRednek: yeah, I know ;-)
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[08:41] <nyRednek> Camarade_Tux: that was eliza
[08:42] <nachox> bots are not allowed here
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[08:42] <nachox> except for slackboy
[08:42] <Camarade_Tux> nyRednek: I got: "14:38  nyRednek is away: testing eliza"
[08:42] <Camarade_Tux> nachox: it's not in the chan, only pm
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[08:43] <nyRednek> nachox: and that isn't prohibited
[08:43] <nachox> no, of course not
[08:43] <nyRednek> it only responds like that when i'm away
[08:43] <nachox> i specifically said "here"
[08:43] <nyRednek> that's how the script is written
[08:44] <nyRednek> i made it to screw with the flirts on Undernet #chatzone
[08:45] <nyRednek> well, downloaded it to screw with them
[08:46] <nyRednek> i'll pastebin the funnier ones
[08:46] Nick change: nyRednek -> yosii
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[08:51] <mancha> smile, you're on candid yosii
[08:52] Action: macavity looks up candid
[08:53] <yosii> mancha: Camarade_Tux is working on a good one
[08:53] <macavity> ah
[08:53] <Camarade_Tux> hard
[08:53] <yosii> Camarade_Tux: keep going...you'll earn the pastebin
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[08:54] <yosii> mrselfpwn: the script learns as you talk
[08:54] <Camarade_Tux> the bot doesn't want to say anything about it, I can't have it say it loves sucking dicks, I'd like to make that a quote for later use against yosii :)
[08:54] <mancha> mac, there used to be a show "candid camera" on tv in the u.s. when they'd reveal they got you they would say "smile, your're on candid camera"
[08:54] <kimjeng> hello world  , success at last
[08:55] <Camarade_Tux> there's a fortune saying that too, when I saw it, I thought I had been attacked :P
[08:55] <macavity> kimjeng: are you reading slackbook.org?
[08:55] <kimjeng> nope i got x to start in my 945g intel driver
[08:55] <kimjeng> finally
[08:55] <sahk0> mancha: i think macavity meant he didnt know what yosii was. confused me too. didnt know it was a user
[08:55] <macavity> i have the same here
[08:56] <kimjeng> been along three days
[08:56] <Camarade_Tux> "14:55         yosii : Oh, I love fire|bird?" ^^
[08:56] <macavity> mine starts perfectly if i just remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:56] <kimjeng> did it trouble you?
[08:56] <mrselfpwn> yosii: are serious
[08:56] <mrselfpwn> cuz it's pissing me off
[08:56] <macavity> kimjeng: not at all
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[08:57] <macavity> kimjeng: i needed to alter /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf to get my touchpad working as i wanted though
[08:57] <kimjeng> macavity: i had to compile a new kernel and the new 2.9.1. driver
[08:57] <mancha> sahk0 oh, makes sense
[08:57] <yosii> mrselfpwn: it's a psychoanalysis program
[08:57] <macavity> kimjeng: ouch.. looks like you have a fuxored ACPI table then
[08:57] <sahk0> i cant imagine anyone not knowing what candid camera is
[08:57] <kimjeng> macavity: fuxored acpi?
[08:57] <Camarade_Tux> sahk0: "candid camera" translates poorly
[08:58] <macavity> kimjeng: but congrats, enjoy the nice composite effects :P
[08:58] <The-Croupier> sahk0: dont sware on it ;)
[08:58] <macavity> kimjeng: semi-broken ACPI bios setup
[08:58] <kimjeng> macavity: thanks
[08:58] <sahk0> The-Croupier: i know, never say never
[08:58] <yosii> mrselfpwn: keep in mind, i haven't said a word to you in /msg
[08:58] <macavity> kimjeng: lots of vendors does that.. because they expect windows (that doesnt do shit with half of it anyway)
[08:58] <yosii> mrselfpwn: you're getting pastebin'ed later
[08:59] <yosii> so is Camarade_Tux
[08:59] <kimjeng> macavity: oh , is there anything that can be done?
[08:59] <allend> kimjeng:  hearty congratulations! glad you made it.
[08:59] <macavity> kimjeng: negaroty.. unless you know how to hack your bios image somehow
[08:59] <Camarade_Tux> yosii: it's slow to learn ;p
[09:00] <kimjeng> allend: hi im in the clouds right now!
[09:00] <macavity> kimjeng: but now that you have a driver that makes you happy it doesnt really matter
[09:00] <yosii> Camarade_Tux: not so slow wih mrselfpwn
[09:00] <Camarade_Tux> yosii: it took me some time to have you say the truth but I made it!
[09:00] <kimjeng> macavity: yeah,  life is ok anyhow right now
[09:00] <Camarade_Tux> "15:00         yosii : Oh, I had sex with fire|bird?" ;-)
[09:00] <mrselfpwn> give me a minute.  i want some alone time with this bot
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[09:02] <The-Croupier> hmmm it would reallly be weird if he is not a bot ;)
[09:02] <Camarade_Tux> yosii: ;p
[09:03] <The-Croupier> now then again...lots of people confuse awesome guys/gods for bots (a.k.a slackboy) ;)
[09:03] <macavity> yosii: do you blues at often over us in perils whenever icecream?
[09:03] <yosii> macavity: wtf?
[09:04] <macavity> just checking if you were a bot :P
[09:04] <The-Croupier> macavity: i dont think anyone got that whatsoever though ;)
[09:04] <The-Croupier> bot or not ;)
[09:04] <macavity> The-Croupier: exactly
[09:04] <yosii> ok, now i'm a beastial rapist, according to Camarade_Tux
[09:05] <macavity> but bots pass grammer, to it would think chop that up and give a pretty funny reply
[09:05] <macavity> yosii: oh, that's your thing too?
[09:06] <Camarade_Tux> yosii: I'll ask the bot in a minute and I'll get a message from yosii saying he likes to have sex with cows :)
[09:06] <The-Croupier> macavity: i see..;)
[09:06] <The-Croupier> macavity: on the other hand, it would be insulting for someone to be called a bot ;) i think.... ( unless he is a bot)
[09:07] <yosii> macavity: i'm getting lulz watching Camarade_Tux play with eliza
[09:07] <Camarade_Tux> ^^
[09:07] <Camarade_Tux> I guess the bot quotes everything ;p
[09:07] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: dirty boy! :P
[09:07] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[09:07] <mrselfpwn> <yosii> What do you know about me are not a beautiful naked swedish woman over at your house in ten minutes you are done?
[09:08] <macavity> re "Camarade_Tux play with eliza" -> pics or it didn't happen!
[09:08] <yosii> macavity: pastebin will have to do
[09:08] <macavity> where the heck are you playing with this thing?
[09:09] <yosii> macavity: /msg me, and eliza will respond
[09:09] <Camarade_Tux> yosii: the bot won't say you love cows ='(
[09:09] <yosii> Camarade_Tux: no, it'll keep asking you about your obsession concerning love for cows
[09:10] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[09:10] <Camarade_Tux> yosii: actually it's asking me about *your* obsession concerning love for cows ;-)
[09:10] <mrselfpwn> i hate phycologists bots.
[09:10] <yosii> mrselfpwn: that code is only about 25 years old
[09:11] <mrselfpwn> It should learn to respect it's elders.
[09:11] <Camarade_Tux> hmmmm, just a sec ^^
[09:12] <yosii> macavity: LOLOL
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[09:12] <Guest71989> crap =/
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[09:13] <macavity> yosii: it is rather slow..
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[09:14] <mrselfpwn> okay tell your bot i'm done talking.
[09:14] <yosii> macavity: yeah, it is...it's getting hit by 4 ppl atm, and is a perl script
[09:14] <mrselfpwn> i'll have nightmares as it is.
[09:15] <mrselfpwn> it's counter intuitive
[09:15] <yosii> classic... 09:14 <yosii> Does that have anything to do with the fact that your little  dirty slut?
[09:15] <Camarade_Tux> unfortunately it's too protective about itself
[09:15] <mrselfpwn> yes
[09:16] <macavity> yosii: how long do you think it will take me to fuck this thing up from A to Z? :P
[09:16] <mrselfpwn> why don't you ask it?
[09:16] <yosii> macavity: you...an hour
[09:16] <yosii> mrselfpwn: never
[09:16] <mrselfpwn> lol
[09:17] <mrselfpwn> well, atleast I won't have wasted an hou.. hold on
[09:17] <mrselfpwn>  /win 4
[09:17] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
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[09:19] <macavity> 15:27 <yosii> Do you want my pussy?
[09:19] <yosii> macavity: you evil, evil man...taking my computer's virginity
[09:19] <macavity> yosii: with mable syrup :P
[09:20] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: congrats! \o/
[09:21] <macavity> it has too short a memory span for context
[09:22] <Camarade_Tux> it doesn't want to answer me ='(
[09:23] <yosii> macavity: maybe i'll give it a memory later...for now, it has only a few k of memory
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[09:24] <mrselfpwn> it doesn't get to any real point.
[09:24] <yosii> mrselfpwn: and it never will
[09:25] <yosii> just like a licensed social worker
[09:25] <mrselfpwn> good point
[09:25] <macavity> lol!
[09:25] <Camarade_Tux> yosii: I'll get back to it later on, I'll have it say you like to ******* and ****** and ********* ******, and also ********
[09:25] <macavity> <yosii> Is it important to you that your Sitys?
[09:25] <Camarade_Tux> with ********'s *******
[09:26] <yosii> macavity: you know that the original writer of eliza didn't know any cockney
[09:26] <macavity> man.. it cant even tell a an exclamation from a question :P
[09:28] <macavity> it's no fun frobbing it up if it only has a few Ks of memory
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[09:29] <Camarade_Tux> it should have shared knowledge between instances ;-)
[09:30] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: then it would be gone gone after i am done with it
[09:30] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: ask yosii for a transcript of what i said to it :P
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[09:30] <yosii> i'll pastebin all of the transcripts into one pastebin when i wake up
[09:31] <macavity> 15:40 <yosii> Is it important to you that your hoath to return; burning bush abob off the Bacon?
[09:32] <macavity> whud?
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[09:33] <macavity> actually.. i think we should have done this in ##slackware-offtopic :P
[09:33] <agentc0re> mornin peeps.
[09:33] <macavity> hello agentc0re
[09:33] <Camarade_Tux> morning agentc0re :)
[09:33] <yosii> macavity: i'd have to programe it to do that
[09:33] <agentc0re> tgif!!
[09:34] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, yosii is interesting in me coming all over his face...
[09:34] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: ^^
[09:34] <Camarade_Tux> yosii: come over ##slackware-offtopic
[09:34] <Camarade_Tux> the invitation holds for others too btw ;-)
[09:35] <agentc0re> Hey so i finally got the motivation to start fixing my PC.  i did a fresh install after replacing the mb with slackware64.  renamed my vg's and lv's to make more sense than what i originally did.  System boots just fine too.  The problem is my home vg.
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[09:36] <agentc0re> so when my system boots, the link of the dev is mapping to the os mapper and not my home lv mapper.  IE:  /dev/root -> /dev/mapper/os-slackware, when it should be /dev/root/home -> /dev/mapper/root-home
[09:37] <linXea> Hi, have anyone installed Doom3 here ? ... Do I make a --buildpkg or do I run the file as it is ?
[09:37] <thrice`> does it support --buildpkg?
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[09:37] <thrice`> I'd guess not, but i'm clueless about doom3 :)
[09:38] <linXea> okay..
[09:38] <agentc0re> Now, if i delete /dev/root and run vgmknodes, it creates the right /dev/root/home with the correct mapper.  i've recreated my initrd and rerun lilo, even deleted the init tree then recreated it with no luck.  anyone have any suggestions?
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[09:38] <agentc0re> linXea: just run the file.  it's a precompiled binary.
[09:39] <linXea> agentc0re, okay =)
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[09:39] <thrice`> linXea, the --buildpkg is an ATI thing, not every .run file will allow that :>
[09:39] <agentc0re> linXea: and turn off all the lights when playing.  the game is more fun that way.
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[09:39] <linXea> not too familiar with --buildpkg stuff yet =)
[09:40] <macavity> linXea: not all programs take the same options
[09:40] <macavity> linXea: if you want to know if the doom3setup.bin supports this or that you *propably* run it with --help
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[09:40] <macavity> s/bin/run/
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[09:42] <linXea> it's a .run file.. I guess I just run it with #: sh doom3....run
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[09:42] <Camarade_Tux> linXea: .run files are installers, not packages
[09:43] <macavity> try sh doom3...run --help
[09:43] <macavity> and see if it has some nice features
[09:43] <Camarade_Tux> and you can probably ./doom3....run
[09:43] <macavity> maybe it has --unpack
[09:43] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: --zomg ;p
[09:43] <linXea> I'll see in a sec or so =)
[09:43] <macavity> then you can copy thing to a tree manually and run makepkg on the dir
[09:44] <thrice`> I think it's sh doom3-linux-blahblah.run --tar xf
[09:45] <linXea> thrice`, just did that the sec you wrote it =)
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[09:51] <Pig_Pen> i found a strange bug in linux-2.6.32, with my rt61pci wifi it keeps losing connection and i have to keep restarting it with /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart
[09:51] <Pig_Pen> or is that a feature ;p
[09:52] <thrice`> ask linus for a refund :)
[09:53] <Pig_Pen> i did make a package out of my previous kernel & modules so it would be a snap and a reboot to fix
[09:54] Action: Camarade_Tux installs side-by-side
[09:55] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: don't complain, here I have to restart to get wireless back
[09:55] <Camarade_Tux> it just *poof* disappears
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[09:58] <Pig_Pen> i guess Linus does too and wanted to share that with me Camarade_Tux :D
[09:58] <mrpwnage> Camarade_Tux: I've had that problem lately too.
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[09:59] <Camarade_Tux> mrpwnage: which card?
[09:59] <mrpwnage> mine is a atheros
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[09:59] <mrpwnage> ath5
[09:59] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, iwl 3945 here
[09:59] <Pig_Pen> i only use wireless-tools (no wpa_supplicant) 12.2 works fine without a restart on the same hardware
[09:59] <Camarade_Tux> err, 4965 actually
[09:59] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: 2.6.32-rc8 here
[10:00] <mrpwnage> but restarting wicd fixes it so I don't think it's the driver for me.
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[10:00] <Pig_Pen> 12.2 with 2.6.27.39 does great = no restart necessary, but 13 with 2.6.32 needs a restart often]
[10:00] <macavity> .32 stable is out
[10:01] <Camarade_Tux> yeah but I can't update here
[10:01] <Camarade_Tux> http://www.playlist.com/playlist/additem/15966737
[10:01] <Camarade_Tux> bah
[10:01] <Camarade_Tux> http://vpaste.net/CHz0o? <- dmesg of the problem
[10:01] <Camarade_Tux> I also get "MAC is in deep sleep" errors
[10:01] <Pig_Pen> i would not think adding -nolisten tcp to startx would cause that
[10:01] <mrpwnage> lol
[10:01] <Camarade_Tux> mrpwnage: here it's really the kernel
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[10:02] <mrpwnage> hmm
[10:02] <linXea> hm, is the 2.6.32 stable out ? =)
[10:02] <mrpwnage> is that a usb nic?
[10:02] <Camarade_Tux> if I ifconfig down, I can't up it anymore
[10:02] <mrpwnage> linXea: yes
[10:02] <Desiderius> Hi all
[10:02] <Camarade_Tux> mrpwnage: no, internal
[10:02] <Camarade_Tux> but it *may* be hardware-related, I just don't know
[10:03] <Camarade_Tux> I need to test it more on windows
[10:03] <mrpwnage> and that's a broadcom chip?
[10:03] <Camarade_Tux> mrpwnage: intel ;-)
[10:03] <Desiderius> I had pb with Slack 64 yesterday
[10:03] <Camarade_Tux> i Desiderius
[10:03] <mrpwnage> ahh
[10:03] <Desiderius> install OK ! But no 32 bits applications work !
[10:03] <Pig_Pen> pb ? peanutbutter?
[10:03] <tripFantastic> pat benatar
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[10:04] <Pig_Pen> shes a little hottie
[10:04] <tripFantastic> yep
[10:04] <tripFantastic> cyndi too
[10:04] <macavity> Desiderius: search google for alienBOB's description on how to import the 32 bit libraries from slackware32
[10:04] <Shockrates> hi
[10:04] <Shockrates> is slackware a rolling release?
[10:05] <macavity> Desiderius: slackware64 is "pure 64 bit" out of the box
[10:05] <tripFantastic> nop
[10:05] <Desiderius> macavity : OK ! Thanks
[10:05] <macavity> Shockrates: absolutely not!
[10:05] <thrice`> 2.6.32 seems OK on my 3945
[10:05] <tripFantastic> old, slow and cautious
[10:05] <init[1]> Shockrates: Slackware is released when pat feels it is ready :)
[10:05] <macavity> tripFantastic: actually slackware 13 was perdy up to date when it came out
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[10:06] <Shockrates> really
[10:06] <Shockrates> isnt it one?
[10:06] <tripFantastic> old as in longest-lived dist
[10:07] <thrice`> it's kind of rolling release, if you choose to run the development branch.  the dev branch (-current) is actually really stable, and constantly updating, but slackware is release-based mainly
[10:07] <hitest> Shockrates: Slackware is stable as hell and very secure. it is not a rolling release. great up to date software too.
[10:08] <Shockrates> oh ok thanks
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[10:09] <Scuzz> slackware-current is even stable as hell as of now
[10:09] <hitest> yep
[10:09] <Pig_Pen> tripFantastic: cyndi who?
[10:09] <hitest> love it
[10:09] <tripFantastic> lauper
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[10:09] <tripFantastic> Pig_Pen singer, actress, all-around hottie :)
[10:09] <Pig_Pen> oh, yeah
[10:09] <Pig_Pen> i like her
[10:10] <hitest> Cindy Lauper is kinda old isn't she....80s singer?
[10:10] <Scuzz> lol yeha
[10:10] <Scuzz> yeah*
[10:10] <tripFantastic> hitest dont be a hater :)
[10:10] <hitest> lol
[10:12] <hitest> don't hate her at all, I like older singers
[10:12] <tripFantastic> pff
[10:12] Action: hitest is rather ancient himself
[10:12] <Pig_Pen> old women are fine, like a fine wine just gets better with age
[10:12] <tripFantastic> rocky welch
[10:12] <tripFantastic> raquel
[10:12] <Pig_Pen> i am 50 myself
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[10:12] <hitest> I'm 52
[10:13] <Pig_Pen> the big five O
[10:13] <tripFantastic> i'm 2.half
[10:13] <Scuzz> i feel like im fifty
[10:13] <tripFantastic> cheryl tiegs
[10:14] <tripFantastic> cyndi is still making records afaik
[10:15] <Pig_Pen> yeah, i just checked her website, she has a new movie out
[10:15] <tripFantastic> kool
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[10:16] <hitest> Just checked her website. she still look great.
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[10:17] <Pig_Pen> yup, she does
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[10:20] <tripFantastic> local tv station shows Mission : Impossible
[10:21] <Scuzz> tripFantastic: you talking about the classic mission impossibles /
[10:21] <tripFantastic> yep
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[10:21] <Scuzz> those are my absolute favoties
[10:21] <Scuzz> i use to watch them as a kid with my dad all the time
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[10:24] <tripFantastic> Rowan & Martin's Laugh-in
[10:24] <Scuzz> 2.6.32 kernel has tux again
[10:24] <Scuzz> w0ot
[10:24] <tripFantastic> is there any serious reason to upgrade from 24.5 kernel?
[10:25] <Scuzz> well updated drivers and some bugfixes im sure
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[10:25] <tripFantastic> but those are usual
[10:25] <Scuzz> i jsut update the kernel to learn how to do it
[10:26] <gnubien> tripFantastic: kernel changelog: http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
[10:26] <tripFantastic> bien.
[10:26] <Scuzz> <-- still in n0ob learning stage
[10:26] <tripFantastic> i know that :)
[10:27] <mrpwnage> security fixes in newest kernel
[10:27] <tripFantastic> k
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[10:30] <tripFantastic> i heard on tmz tv the other night that Rianna likes to walk around her house and pool nood; "the pool cleaner's seen me neekid" LOL
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[10:33] <hitest> I know I'm a grammar nazi, but, *nood* made me smile:)
[10:33] <tripFantastic> its sposed to
[10:33] <hitest> okay then
[10:33] <tripFantastic> if ya cant have fun with teh language, then you're only a user :)
[10:34] <hitest> true
[10:34] <hitest> me like fun lotz
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[10:35] <hitest> :)
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[10:35] <tripFantastic> yea well some here lack sensohumor
[10:35] <hitest> yes
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[10:35] Action: hitest enjoysa good laugh
[10:36] <tripFantastic> i know
[10:37] <egregor> damn it. why just don't use sha666, they complicate things with gpg =// *noob*
[10:38] Action: Camarade_Tux enjoys beer
[10:38] <hitest> yeah
[10:39] <hitest> going to have a nice frosted glass of ale after work today
[10:39] <tripFantastic> nice
[10:39] <hitest> looking forward to that
[10:39] <Pig_Pen> well darn, i guess i will put 2.6.31.6 back on if 2.6.32 is going to be killing my wifi at every 5 minute intervals
[10:39] <Camarade_Tux> I bought some Bud, one American, one Czech
[10:39] <Camarade_Tux> ...
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[10:40] <hitest> enjoy:) going to a pub after work with some friends, beer and snacks...nom, nom, nom
[10:41] <Camarade_Tux> I went to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud (forgot about the flower) and the banner at the top said "there is not a day without wikipedia", I read "there is not a day without beer", think I should drink a bit less...
[10:41] <tripFantastic> i'm sure that when Rianna's comment above was broadcast, a whole new crop of fantasies began (and google searches too)
[10:41] <tripFantastic> lol tix
[10:41] <tripFantastic> tux
[10:41] <Camarade_Tux> hmmmm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser
[10:41] <Camarade_Tux> well, I'll keep you informed and will tell you which one is better ;p
[10:42] <Camarade_Tux> (although I may bet on the czech)
[10:42] <tripFantastic> ty
[10:42] <Camarade_Tux> anyway, bbl, gotta pay the rent ='(
[10:42] <hitest> I'll be curious to hear what the Czech is like:)
[10:42] <Camarade_Tux>  ;-)
[10:43] <Camarade_Tux> I just put it in the fridge :)
[10:43] <hitest> never tried czech beer:)
[10:43] <Camarade_Tux> I tried some italian beer two days ago, ok but nothing special
[10:43] <hitest> nice
[10:44] <Camarade_Tux> and japanese, seems like they put rice in beer which I don't quite like
[10:44] <Camarade_Tux> the beer ain't bad but the rice taste is weird
[10:44] <tripFantastic> they use rice in everything
[10:44] <tripFantastic> paper, food,...
[10:44] <hitest> tried chinese beer once....tsing tao I think
[10:44] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm
[10:45] <Camarade_Tux> I think I drank tsing tao two days ago
[10:45] <hitest> any good...it has been awhile
[10:45] <mrpwnage> it's good
[10:45] <hitest> :)
[10:45] <straterra> Chinese beer is good
[10:45] <straterra> Less hoppy
[10:46] <Camarade_Tux> http://www.tsingtaobeer.com/ ^^
[10:46] <tripFantastic> does it have reduce-murcury for flavor?
[10:46] <Camarade_Tux> I said I was born on 00/00/0000 :D
[10:46] <hitest> click
[10:46] <tripFantastic> reduced
[10:46] <Camarade_Tux> oh snap, tsingtao is chinese
[10:47] <straterra> I've had chinese beer right outside of the factory
[10:47] <straterra> Brewery..w/e
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[10:58] <tank-man> lol, i remember some cam vcds I dl use to have tsingtao beer commercial inserted at begining
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[11:04] <Camarade_Tux> can I say I hate python? :P
[11:04] <x-ip> nop ^^
[11:05] <Camarade_Tux> I hate python :)
[11:05] <Camarade_Tux> oops, sorry :)
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[11:09] <alisonken1home> Camarade_Tux: No! :)
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[11:10] <Camarade_Tux> zu spät -_-
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[11:12] <Pig_Pen> yup, my intermittent wifi network breakage is something in that 2.6.32 kernel, works fine with 2.6.31.6
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[11:13] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: which card already?
[11:15] <Pig_Pen> rt61
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[11:26] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: get anything in dmesg? tried getting more verbose errors?
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[11:30] <Camarade_Tux> lol: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[11:31] <Camarade_Tux> 10 bugs modified during the last six minutes ><
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[11:31] <Pig_Pen> nothing in dmesg or messages, just me restarting the service is all it shown
[11:35] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: tried enabling CONFIG_RT2X00_DEBUG?
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[11:36] <Pig_Pen> too late for that, i dumped 2.6.32 and put 2.6.31.6 back in, i will keep an eye on the ...32.x kernel changelogs for any developments
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[11:37] <mrpwnage> that's strange.
[11:37] <mrpwnage> nothing in the changelog that hints to what might cause it?
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[11:37] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: I mean, for 2.6.33, whenyou'll realize you still have the problem :P
[11:39] <Pig_Pen> i guess i will have to lag behind until i get some newer and better hardware if they dont fix it, i am sure others are having the same problem with that wifi card
[11:40] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: tried an -rcX kernel?
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[11:42] <Pig_Pen> naw, i never mess with rc kernels, i wait for the official releases
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[11:44] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: well, if the crash happens "reliably", your best bet is to try to find the breaking change by yourself, could be fixed by tonight
[11:46] <mrpwnage> Pig_Pen: Look in the kernel and disable the powersave mode for wireless
[11:46] <mrpwnage> network/wireless/powersave
[11:46] <mrpwnage> I never trust that stuff much.
[11:47] <Camarade_Tux> here you go: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14731 , seems a bit different but he mentions a bug that causes the connection to be unreliable, you may be hit by that one (but not the other)
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[11:48] <Pig_Pen> let me look
[11:49] <Eurysilas> So, I'm running Slackware in a VM. And I was wondering: assuming I have the base system installed, how would I access the optical drive to add more software?
[11:49] <mrpwnage> Eurysilas: what VM software are you using?
[11:50] <Eurysilas> mrpwnage, Virtualbox.
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[11:50] <Pig_Pen> that could be it Camarade_Tux, after a xx.0 release there is usually a bug fix release or two xx.1 xx.2 & etc...
[11:50] <mrpwnage> In the top menu Machine I think it is, it should say mount cd.
[11:51] <mrpwnage> do that then it should come up in slackware
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[11:51] <mrpwnage> what software are you installing that you need a cd for on slackware anyway?
[11:52] <alisonken1home> vmware I believe - but it should have an option for image v. cd
[11:52] <Eurysilas> mrpwnage: Oh, yes.....The optical drive is mounted on the VM's end....But how would I access it from within Slackware? Keeping in mind that I only have the A series installed.
[11:52] <Camarade_Tux> mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd
[11:52] <mrpwnage> ^^
[11:52] <Camarade_Tux> might be /dev/hd* though (would fstab be good there?)
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[11:53] <mrpwnage> could you unmount it from VirtualBox then remount it in VB and check dmesg ?
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[11:54] <Camarade_Tux> hmmph, who stole my sponge?
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[11:54] <mrpwnage> idk mr. squarepants
[11:55] <Eurysilas> Camarade_Tux: That did it. Thanks!
[11:55] <Camarade_Tux> Eurysilas: :)
[11:55] <Camarade_Tux> mrpwnage: I'm gonna get him and dry him in the oven for a few hours, should do the trick
[11:56] <mrpwnage> yes indeed
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[11:59] <Camarade_Tux> found it \o/
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[12:05] <mrpwnage> It's somewhat entertaining though teaches kids absolutley nothing.
[12:05] <mrpwnage> spongebob that is
[12:06] Action: Alan_Hicks hates that damned show.
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[12:06] <alisonken1home> I prefer veggie tales myself
[12:07] <alisonken1home> and 3-2-1-Penguins
[12:07] <thrice`> we got 10" of snow over night :D
[12:07] <jeev> too bad it wasn't enough to bury you alive
[12:07] <jeev> or cut off your internet
[12:08] <thrice`> your mom had extra blankets, so it was warm enough
[12:09] <spook> yay spook is drunk and happy
[12:09] <spook> roller derby girls know how to parttttyyyy
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[12:11] <mrpwnage> Penguins of Madagascar is good
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[12:15] <Camarade_Tux> mrpwnage: know of Dora The Explorer?
[12:15] <mrpwnage> yes
[12:15] <spook> Camarade_Tux: wheres my beer?
[12:16] <mrpwnage> noggin or nickjr (i think it's called now) has good stuff for kids
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[12:16] <Camarade_Tux> spook: it's been so long, I've certainly drunk it!
[12:16] <spook> Camarade_Tux: nooooooo
[12:16] <Camarade_Tux> well, not the 15 beers I bought two days ago
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[12:18] <jeev> ha ha thrice`
[12:18] <jeev> i didn't see that but i smelled it
[12:19] <Pig_Pen> new car, caviar, four star daydream, i think i will have a bowl of ice cream ;p
[12:19] <jeev> your pizza crusty fingertips as you were typing
[12:19] <Pig_Pen> since i can not afford a football team
[12:19] <jeev> Pig_Pen, what is the ultimate redneck car anyway
[12:19] <jeev> a ford f250 ?
[12:19] <Camarade_Tux> mrpwnage: in french, but http://www.monsieur-le-chien.fr/index.php?planche=241
[12:19] <Pig_Pen> one ton ford dually with the powerstroke diesel
[12:20] <jeev> with a beer can in each hand
[12:20] <Pig_Pen> dont forget the gunrack
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[12:21] <jeev> and the sister/wife
[12:22] <mrpwnage> lol, actually I can understand most of that.
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[12:22] <deco> jeev:
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[12:27] <Pig_Pen> what i want to see are those little pickups like the Ford Ranger and S-10 getting 4 cylinder diesel engines because diesel engines can burn cooking oil or bio-diesel too, and since it is a 4 cylinder they should get decent milage
[12:29] <Eurysilas> Say, is there a way to install all packages in a directory, WITHOUT having to confirm each one?
[12:29] <Pig_Pen> i have a 98 S-10 with a 4 cylinder gas engine but it is too old for even E85 the alcohol will screw up the fuel system
[12:29] <Pig_Pen> installpkg ./*
[12:29] <Pig_Pen> that will get every package in the directory
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[12:30] <mrpwnage> i like those 90s model rangers
[12:31] <Pig_Pen> lots of used ones around, can be bought for cheap
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[12:32] <Alan_Hicks> Pig_Pen: That's incorrect.
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[12:33] <Alan_Hicks> Pig_Pen: Diesel engines *used* to be able to burn cooking oil and pure bio-diesel, but the emissions equipment mandated by the government today makes that virtually impossible.
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[12:33] <spook> in the antarctic they run jet fuel in diesel generators
[12:34] <briareus> in russia, deisel fuel runs you!
[12:34] <Camarade_Tux> number_of_glasses--;
[12:34] <Camarade_Tux> grrrr
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[12:35] <spook> its because the air pressure is low, and the fuel needs to be compressed enough to combust because its so cold
[12:35] <Pig_Pen> aint that just like the government to screw up a good idea!
[12:36] <briareus> yes
[12:36] <jeev> lol Pig_Pen
[12:36] <briareus> point in fact: Department of Education
[12:37] <Alan_Hicks> Pig_Pen: Yes.  In fact, those new emissions systems are resulting in drastically lower fuel mileage.  Compare say a '98 or '02 Ford with a 7.3 to the 6.4 in an '09.  The old smoking 7.3 gets 17 or 18 mpg depending on the truck it's in.  The 6.4, gets maybe 15mpg at best.
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[12:46] <Camarade_Tux> spook: now!
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[12:47] <KingBeowulf> If alienBOB is looking, thanks for the excellent work and guide for Slack64 multilib.  Wine 1.1.33 running so far a-ok.
[12:48] <antiwire> new pidgin 2.6.4
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[12:50] <spook> Camarade_Tux: what?
[12:50] <Camarade_Tux> ze invite :P
[12:50] <spook> invite to what
[12:50] <deco> heh
[12:50] <Camarade_Tux> ##slackware-offtopic, should have popped in one of your windows ;p
[12:51] <antiwire> blah blah
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[12:51] Nick change: antiwire -> SpamCannon
[12:52] <spook> Camarade_Tux: i dont get it
[12:52] <deco> spook: new channel
[12:52] <deco> spook: join , that' sit
[12:52] <SpamCannon> spook: don't get and be happy
[12:52] <SpamCannon> It's a communist channel anyway
[12:52] <deco> said the spammer
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[12:53] <Camarade_Tux> SpamCannon: yup, communist, we share beer there :)
[12:53] <spook> SpamCannon = quiznos?
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[12:54] <deco> spook: yeah
[12:54] <SpamCannon> I just changed nicks right in front of you
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[12:54] <spook> 01:54 Ignorance List:
[12:54] <spook> 01:54    1 ##slackware: CRAP MSGS NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS TOPICS WALLOPS INVITES NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS
[12:54] <Camarade_Tux> hahah :P
[12:54] <Camarade_Tux> spook: ;-)
[12:55] <antiwire> no wonder you're always out in left field
[12:55] <spook> what?
[12:56] <antiwire> exactly.
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[12:56] <spook> dont be mean :(
[12:56] <spook> i'm drunk
[12:56] <antiwire> We assume that is your default state so it would make more sense to let us know when you're not drunk
[12:57] <spook> actually its flipped, my alcoholism is getting better
[12:57] <antiwire> lol
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[12:58] <Camarade_Tux> spook: I had guess so ;-)
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[12:58] <Necos> nyao~~
[12:59] <Necos> lol
[12:59] <spook> nyaa nyaa
[12:59] <spook> peko peko
[12:59] <deco> spook: go to rehab or something
[13:00] <spook> nah
[13:00] <antiwire> don't be a quitter
[13:00] <mrpwnage> Leave spook alone (crys) he never did anything.
[13:00] <deco> that's the problem
[13:00] <deco> he never did anything
[13:00] <mrpwnage> lol
[13:00] <spook> the 10% of my friends that find me an annoying are planning my intervention
[13:00] <antiwire> I fully support spook's decision to not be a quitter
[13:01] <spook> annoying when drunk rather
[13:01] <spook> all my other friends really enjoy me when drunk and so will never give me an intervention
[13:01] <Necos> lol
[13:01] <spook> i even asked them to, and they are like, naaaaah we'll be fine.
[13:01] <antiwire> so only hang out with the other alchies
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[13:01] <antiwire> you need support
[13:01] <spook> the others are generally non-drinkers
[13:01] Action: Necos plans spooks disappearance
[13:02] <antiwire> well non drinkers are certainly not going to support your endeavours
[13:02] <spook> disappearance?
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[13:02] <Alan_Hicks> spook: Sounds like you've got just a great handle on the situation.
[13:02] <antiwire> you need to get your friendship priorities straight
[13:02] <spook> Alan_Hicks: too right.
[13:02] <Necos> yep
[13:02] <antiwire> lol
[13:02] <Alan_Hicks> spook: That was sarcastic.
[13:03] <spook> i've taken up roller derby. you cant skate drunk and i really enjoy skating.
[13:03] <spook> Alan_Hicks: thats why i replied sarcastically
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[13:04] <spook> well you're not allowed to skate drunk.  my drunk balance is good enough to skate drunk, not that i've tried
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[13:04] <antiwire> you should try just to be sure
[13:04] Action: Alan_Hicks goes to lunch.
[13:04] <antiwire> you'll never now otherwise
[13:04] <antiwire> know*
[13:04] <spook> next friday when i have my own skates and can try at home
[13:05] <antiwire> I've surfed buzzed a few times but it's not so fun
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[13:06] <spook> my facebook profile pic is from haloween. i wore my ninja uniform and was very very drunk.  i climbed a tall smooth tree with very few branches
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[13:06] <antiwire> eucalyptus?
[13:06] <spook> i dunno what kind of tree it was
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[13:06] <spook> what am i, a chemist?
[13:07] <antiwire> if you were you could be your own enabler
[13:07] <Necos> lol
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[13:08] <spook> the joke isnt so funny when you cant say botanist because thats the right thing
[13:08] <Necos> it's ok, you're drunk :)
[13:08] <antiwire> Actually it would be arborist in this case
[13:09] <Necos> arborist? that's one i haven't heard in a while
[13:09] <Camarade_Tux> spook: yeah, very few branches indeed...
[13:09] <spook> the joke is about animals, and you say, what am i, a botanist?
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[13:10] <spook> someone make it next friday already
[13:10] <antiwire> here take this pill
[13:10] Nick change: viu -> vi_sleep
[13:10] <Necos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arborists-3,-Kallista,-VIC,-09.07.2008.jpg
[13:10] <Necos> lol
[13:10] <spook> no thanks
[13:11] <antiwire> Necos: wtf! they have a lumberjack in an arborist image?
[13:11] <antiwire> lumberjacks are like the arborists arch nemesis
[13:12] <antiwire> I'm calling greenpeace
[13:12] <Necos> lol
[13:13] <spook> I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
[13:13] <Necos> monty python lol
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[13:14] <Necos> antiwire, you might have to wait a while on hold :)
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[13:17] <KingBeowulf> ok, now you've mention monty python...my productivity is in the toilet...
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[13:17] <antiwire> It's friday, have some eggnog
[13:17] <guax> do you realy like that?
[13:18] <antiwire> as long as it has rum
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[13:18] <KingBeowulf> mmm.....rum....(drool)
[13:18] <spook> its 2am saturday
[13:18] <Necos> >.>
[13:18] <KingBeowulf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxQp3Hy5nk
[13:18] <KingBeowulf> LIVE!
[13:18] Nick change: pragma__ -> pragma_
[13:19] <Necos> come at me, with a banana!
[13:19] <fire|bird> that's what she said.
[13:20] <thrice`> :D
[13:21] <spook> KingBeowulf: post that shit in offtopic please.
[13:21] <antiwire> ut oh spook is crashing
[13:21] <antiwire> he needs more alcohol
[13:21] <spook> crashing?
[13:21] <spook> lol.
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[13:21] <antiwire> his BAC is getting too low
[13:21] <spook> i need a kebab or a manwhich, stat
[13:21] <KingBeowulf> spook: what? someone mentioned Monty!  Not my fault you are up at 2am.  its Fridat 10:23am here
[13:21] <guax> too many blood in the alcohoolic circulation
[13:22] <guax> here is 16:21
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[13:22] <csokol> i'm having trouble upgrading to kde 4.3.3
[13:22] <guax> nice
[13:22] <antiwire> csokol: What version of Slackware?
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[13:22] <guax> and what problem
[13:22] <csokol> current
[13:22] <spook> KingBeowulf: links are my hard limit.
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[13:23] <spook> csokol: slackpkg install-new
[13:23] <substanc1v> yay im on the new kernel
[13:23] <KingBeowulf> bah.  don't click then.  Any slacker not a Monty Python fan is not a true slacker
[13:23] <antiwire> substanc1v: did you use my how to?
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[13:23] <csokol> my screen is blinking
[13:23] <csokol> no always
[13:23] Nick change: deco_ -> deco
[13:23] <csokol> not*
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[13:23] <csokol> i've already installed oxygen icons
[13:24] <csokol> package
[13:24] <spook> Xorg.0.log
[13:24] <antiwire> csokol: Was this system always -current or is it an upgraded system?
[13:24] <guax> she's blinking at you? blink back and call her to dinner. ;D then look logs
[13:24] <csokol> always
[13:24] <guax> and what video card are you using?
[13:24] <substanc1v> i used a mixture of alien's wiki for the mkinitrd and some other howto (first his on google searching 'slackware 13 kernel 2.6.31.6 howto')
[13:25] <substanc1v> now i can't install my nvidia drivers. telling me can't load nvidia.ko
[13:25] <spook> substanc1v: thats to be expected.
[13:25] <antiwire> Linux server02 2.6.32-SRV #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Dec 3 09:19:25 PST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
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[13:25] <spook> sleeping now.
[13:26] <deco> i don't care
[13:26] <deco> not like it's gonna make my life better by knowing that
[13:27] <guax> a true gentleman
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[13:27] <spook> deco: actually it should, now that i'm gone :)
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[13:28] <deco> spook: no i will miss you :(
[13:28] <deco> spook: who am i gonna take to the gay club now ?
[13:28] <guax> so weird to see people having night talks when the sun is up high here
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[13:29] <antiwire> guax: you know the Earth is round right?
[13:29] <guax> i know, i just stated that is weird
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[13:32] <csokol> i'm using a nvidia video card
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[13:32] <csokol> and my Xorg log seems to be fine
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[13:35] <substanc1v> this is the error i get when trying to run the nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6.31.6(stable) http://pastebin.com/m9fa02a2
[13:35] <substanc1v> i think my cc var is not set correctly
[13:35] <substanc1v> how do i fix this.
[13:36] <antiwire> substanc1v: Did you verify what it suggested to verify first?
[13:36] <antiwire> Also, What version of the driver are you trying to use?
[13:37] <substanc1v> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.42-pkg1.run
[13:38] <antiwire> pastebin us the nvidia installer log
[13:38] <antiwire> should be in /var/log/ somewhere
[13:38] <substanc1v> i tried pointing it to kernel source and got he same error. pl
[13:38] <substanc1v> ok
[13:39] <Scuzz> substanc1v: you get an error running the isntaller ?
[13:39] <antiwire> substanc1v: if your kernel source tree still in a configured state?
[13:39] <Scuzz> installer*
[13:39] <Pig_Pen> could be something to do with how you built your 2.6.31.6 kernel
[13:39] <antiwire> substanc1v: as in, you did not make clean to the 2.6.31.6?
[13:40] <ferdna> how is it going guys
[13:40] <ferdna> does anyone ever done a minimal slack install?
[13:40] <antiwire> substanc1v: along with the nvidia log, pastebin us the output of 'uname -a' and 'ls -al /usr/src/'
[13:41] <Pig_Pen> in menuconfig > device drivers > graphics support > dev/agpgart > nvidia ?
[13:41] <substanc1v> antiwire: i never did a make clean
[13:41] <antiwire> substanc1v: ok
[13:41] <substanc1v> let me paste more info into that paste bin brb
[13:41] <Pig_Pen> i select DRI as a module but nothing inside the DRI submenu
[13:42] <Scuzz> substanc1v: have you run the nvidia installer again after the kernel upgrade ?
[13:42] <antiwire> Scuzz: the error *is* from the installer...
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[13:43] <Pig_Pen> in the framebuffer section do not select nvidia framebuffer because it will conflict with nvidia's driver
[13:43] <substanc1v> Scuzz: yes that is how im generating the nvidia installation error
[13:43] <substanc1v> brb antiwire
[13:43] <Pig_Pen> if you need framebuffer support select vesa
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[13:47] <Guest84882> I'm trying to configure imapd to run through stunnel, but the stunnel.log reports connection refused
[13:47] <Guest84882> so my question is what am I doing wrong?
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[13:48] <substanc1v> http://pastebin.com/m722b6952
[13:50] <antiwire> substanc1v: check what Pig_Pen has suggested now
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[13:52] <substanc1v> ok guys...
[13:52] <substanc1v> ill check
[13:53] <antiwire> substanc1v: wait.
[13:53] <antiwire> I think I know what might be wrong
[13:53] <antiwire> give me a minute
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[13:55] <antiwire> substanc1v: First, just pastebin us your kernel config
[13:55] <antiwire> do this: zcat /proc/config.gz > ~/mykernelconfig.txt
[13:55] <antiwire> then pastebin that file
[13:57] <Scuzz> his original pastebin looks very familiar to me
[13:58] <Scuzz> did he to a make modules_install
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[13:58] <Scuzz> i think i have seen that before
[13:59] <Pig_Pen> lol! i hope he did make modules_install, he would have a rough time doing anything on that PC without them
[14:00] <antiwire> You see how his kernel has a LOCALVERSION of -pdg but his source directory name does not have the -pdg?
[14:00] <substanc1v> .config files  antiwire ?
[14:00] <antiwire> he should try this: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.42-pkg1.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux -k 2.6.31.6-pdg
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[14:00] <antiwire> substanc1v: if you get the same error with that I have another one to try
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[14:02] <antiwire> but all this depends on what his kernel config says.
[14:02] <antiwire> substanc1v: for the kernel config do what I said: zcat /proc/config.gz > ~/mykernelconfig.txt
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[14:02] <substanc1v> sorry i missed it.
[14:02] <antiwire> then pastebin the contents of ~/mykernelconfig.txt
[14:03] <Necos> nyao~~ yet again
[14:03] <antiwire> Necos: stop touching that pussy
[14:04] <substanc1v> this is hard to do from console... paste it on pastebin
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[14:05] <antiwire> then use a pastebin that supports file upload
[14:05] <antiwire> use links
[14:05] Nick change: Reticent1 -> Reticenti
[14:05] <antiwire> wor upload that txt file somewhere we have acces
[14:05] <Necos> kitties++
[14:05] <deco> Necos: you work at a high school or college ?
[14:06] <Necos> high school
[14:06] <deco> Necos: ah! ok ... wondering because you said a bunch of kids were pulling the firealarms
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[14:06] <Necos> yeah, fuckin teenagers lol
[14:06] <deco> lol
[14:06] Nick change: fire|bird1 -> phoenix^
[14:07] <antiwire> put cameras on each alarm pull
[14:07] <antiwire> on the opposite wall
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[14:07] <Necos> they do hvae cameras...
[14:07] <Necos> but meh, with all the budget cuts, we just don't have the security staff to catch 'em
[14:08] <nix_chix0r> where are we supposed to goooo
[14:08] <tripFantastic> Necos it's a rite of passage!!! TAKE DOWN THOSE CAMRAS!!! :)
[14:08] <Necos> nix_chix0r! :)
[14:08] <Necos> lol tripFantastic
[14:09] <tripFantastic> come on, you remembers!!! dponcha?!
[14:09] <tripFantastic> doncha
[14:09] <antiwire> yeah right. you don't pull fire alarms
[14:09] <antiwire> that's fscked up
[14:09] <nix_chix0r> Necos, harro
[14:09] <tripFantastic> bs
[14:09] <Necos> no, i was a nerd in high school... i just studied and played basketball for the school team :P
[14:09] <deco> :o
[14:09] <tripFantastic> lol
[14:09] <deco> Necos: how tall are you ?
[14:09] <tripFantastic> 3m
[14:09] <tripFantastic> lol
[14:09] <deco> long ?
[14:09] <Necos> lol
[14:09] <Necos> 5'11"
[14:09] <deco> Necos: same as me :o
[14:10] <tripFantastic> shrimp for bball
[14:10] <Necos> which is close to 2m :P
[14:10] <deco> :P
[14:10] Action: nix_chix0r change topic to " phoenix^ " season
[14:10] <tripFantastic> no, vulture season
[14:10] <Necos> i played the 4, and i could get down with people that were 3-4" taller than me
[14:10] <nix_chix0r> noob season
[14:10] Action: nix_chix0r gets shot
[14:10] <tripFantastic> merry bah! humbug to you all
[14:10] <phoenix^> Well, that wouldn't be very good hunting, there's only one of me.
[14:10] <Necos> nix_chix0r, long time no see... where ya been?
[14:11] <phoenix^> Necos: In her treehouse in the woods.
[14:11] <Necos> lol
[14:11] <substanc1v> can someone recommend some pastbins
[14:11] <substanc1v> with uploads..
[14:11] <tripFantastic> gramer's house witing for the children and a hot stove
[14:11] <Necos> www.pastebin.ca ?
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[14:11] <nix_chix0r> Necos, i'm up in my tree house writting a novel
[14:11] <Necos> wow, awesome!
[14:12] <antiwire> which translates to "I'm up in my tree house smoking a joint"
[14:12] <substanc1v> pastebin.ca/1702173
[14:12] <Necos> hahahahaha
[14:12] <nix_chix0r> ahahahahah
[14:12] <nix_chix0r> :|
[14:12] <nix_chix0r> antiwire, yes
[14:12] <nix_chix0r> but i'm not smoking
[14:13] <nix_chix0r> haven't gotten around to that today
[14:13] <Scuzz> substanc1v: what does  ls /lib/modules   show?
[14:13] <nix_chix0r> been painting the kitchen all morning
[14:13] <Necos> fun stuff :)
[14:13] <Necos> i'm staring at my monitor at work, trying to figure out something to do... we haven't gotten any service calls all morning :(
[14:13] <antiwire> dude.
[14:13] <Necos> i'm dying of boredom
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[14:13] <tripFantastic> port something
[14:14] <nix_chix0r> Necos, have a joint from antiwire
[14:14] <tripFantastic> Necos do you write c?
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[14:14] <Necos> tripFantastic, haven't written any C in a while
[14:14] <tripFantastic> ok
[14:15] <Necos> lol no pot for me... don't smoke it :)
[14:15] <tripFantastic> wanna port a simple c compiler?
[14:15] <deco> heh
[14:15] <Necos> no :P
[14:15] <tripFantastic> k
[14:15] <Necos> i'm thinking of declaring a minor in japanese...
[14:15] <tripFantastic> where?
[14:15] <Necos> http://www.csun.edu/japanese/japanese_minor.html
[14:16] <tripFantastic> where's un?
[14:16] <tripFantastic> or cs
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[14:16] <Necos> lol it's kinda in the upper left hand corner of the webpage :)
[14:17] Action: nix_chix0r shares a 5hr energy with Necos 
[14:17] <Necos> woohoo! :)
[14:18] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: so, then each of you will only have 2.5 hours of energy.
[14:18] <substanc1v> antiwire: 2.6.29.6/  2.6.29.6-smp/  2.6.31.6-pdg/
[14:18] <substanc1v> or Scuzz
[14:18] <Scuzz> thanx
[14:18] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, that's all i need
[14:18] <nix_chix0r> a little pick me up
[14:19] <fire|bird> alright. :)
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[14:19] <nix_chix0r> hey you should be driving right now
[14:19] <nix_chix0r> theres a 2600 meeting around 7-8
[14:19] <substanc1v> antiwire: the verdict?
[14:19] <substanc1v> sup macavity
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[14:20] <antiwire> CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA=m
[14:20] <nix_chix0r> Necos, you can come too
[14:21] <substanc1v> antiwire: so its not builtin... this is fine correct?
[14:21] <antiwire> substanc1v: Can you try the installer command I pasted?
[14:21] <substanc1v> im going to recompile a new kernel from scratch... but first i want to make sure i can successfully manage a generic compile..
[14:21] <substanc1v> sure
[14:21] <antiwire> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.42-pkg1.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux -k 2.6.31.6-pdg
[14:22] <substanc1v> my buffer isn't that big in irssi
[14:22] <substanc1v> could you mind... thanks
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[14:23] <substanc1v> getting farther...
[14:23] <substanc1v> looks good.. let me try startx
[14:23] <boojit> so, OT: I'm finally getting round to moving my domains off of stinky crappy GoDaddy. Does anyone have a recommendation for a registrar?
[14:24] <Alan_Hicks> boojit: There are no good registrars.
[14:24] <Alan_Hicks> They all pretty much suck equally.
[14:24] <boojit> Alan_Hicks: yeah, that's what I'm finding out. GoDaddy, though. Ugh. I may shoot my TV if I have to sit through another one of those goddamn commercials.
[14:25] <thrice`> why?  they usually have chicks
[14:25] <Alan_Hicks> boojit: Well I hope you got sense enough to turn it off if you don't want to watch it.
[14:25] <substanc1v> pastebin.ca/1702197
[14:25] <substanc1v> startx error... i guess i need to change the driver?
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[14:26] <substanc1v> i should be able to handle this much... antiwire: what had happened that i needed that parameter
[14:26] <antiwire> line 10
[14:26] <substanc1v> antiwire: installing nvidia drivers?
[14:26] <antiwire> substanc1v: are you on some 64bit system or something?
[14:26] <boojit> i've heard some like easydns...
[14:26] <substanc1v> antiwire: nope...
[14:27] <Froogle> substanc1v: use: driver "nv"
[14:27] <substanc1v> isn't that the default? ill try that
[14:27] <Froogle> substanc1v: or if you have it, try "nouveau"
[14:28] <antiwire> Froogle: you have no context in this.
[14:28] <antiwire> ....
[14:29] <antiwire> forget it. this is where random people jump in and interfere
[14:29] <Froogle> Hmm, ok.
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[14:32] <substanc1v> pastebin.ca/1702209
[14:32] <substanc1v> looks like the install didn't go to well
[14:33] <substanc1v> well... i have to goto work now... substancev is me at work. thanks for the help so far
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[14:33] <antiwire> substanc1v: I can explain more later
[14:33] <substanc1v> antiwire: i appreciate your help... i plan on making a kernel perfect for this laptop and posting it somewhere..
[14:34] <antiwire> I have a write up for you
[14:34] <antiwire> It will fix the naming issues.
[14:34] <antiwire> later on I can post it
[14:34] <substanc1v> let me get to work ... ill holla then ok!
[14:34] <substanc1v> thanks
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[14:34] <Froogle> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so ... "No such driver"
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[14:39] <Necos> WEEE
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[14:39] <Necos> gotta love school administration politics
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[14:42] <Necos> you might be thinking nv_drv.o Froogle
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[14:43] <Necos> i think nvidia_drv.so became something else
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[14:52] <beatzz> sup all.
[14:52] <beatzz> got an issue here, installed a PCI wifi card in my 'server'
[14:52] <beatzz> so i can  get it online
[14:52] <beatzz> but i dont think i have the correct moduel/firmware
[14:53] <beatzz> because its not recognized by 'ifconfig -a'
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[14:53] <beatzz> lspci = 02:0a.0 Non-VGA unclassified device: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device 1d2a (rev 03)
[14:53] <Weltenfeind> Don't look at me. I'm a noob. :D
[14:54] <beatzz> no problem Weltenfeind
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[14:57] <Weltenfeind> Tried googling? :P
[14:57] <Pig_Pen> i have a cat that never goes outside, she does like to sit in an open window ledge, now that the weather turned cold she does not like it
[14:57] <Necos> hehe
[14:57] <Necos> cats are funny like that
[14:57] <Necos> beatzz, have you looked at the kernel config to see if there are kernel drivers?
[14:58] <beatzz> how do i do that?
[14:58] <beatzz> makeconfig or something?
[14:58] <Pig_Pen> make menuconfig
[14:59] <beatzz> k, what will i be lookin for there?
[14:59] <beatzz> cause to do it, i need to get off this network
[14:59] <beatzz> i will be all on my own :(
[15:00] <Weltenfeind> Gotta love a helpful community. <3
[15:00] <Pig_Pen>  device drivers > network drivers > wireless
[15:00] <Froogle> Better yet, put the old .config in to the kernel source and run make oldconfig
[15:02] <beatzz> thanks Pig_Pen i will look for it
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[15:04] <beatzz> make: *** No rule to make target `menuconfig'.  Stop.
[15:04] <beatzz> w/e, i will just return it and buy another one.
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[15:05] <beatzz> till i get one thats supported.
[15:05] <deco> beatzz: sup playa
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[15:05] <beatzz> sup deco, made a short attempt at getting my server online.
[15:05] <beatzz> but cant spend much time on it, gata study
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[15:05] <beatzz> my linux+ exam is on the 19th
[15:05] <beatzz> :O
[15:05] <deco> beatzz: oh , didn't work ? :/
[15:05] <deco> beatzz: oh that's really soon
[15:06] <beatzz> shure is
[15:06] <Weltenfeind> The hell. Linux exam?
[15:06] <beatzz> CompTIA's Linux+ certification.
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[15:06] <Weltenfeind> Sounds awfully painful.
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[15:06] <beatzz> -
[15:06] <beatzz> -_- indeed
[15:07] <beatzz> gtg study
[15:07] <beatzz> peace hommies.
[15:07] <Weltenfeind> Enjoy.
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[15:07] <Froogle> Weltenfeind: Are you beeing awfully painful ? :)
[15:07] <Froogle> Haha
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[15:08] <Weltenfeind> Depends on, what you're talking about, I guess.
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[15:09] <Froogle> Weltenfeind: Too many commas, skip the first one.
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[15:09] <Froogle> Weltenfeind: and the last one, effectively making it "no commas".
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[15:10] <Froogle> !Weltenfeind
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[15:10] <Froogle> !Weltenfeind <- Schmurrdidoo
[15:10] <deco> anyone know of a free shell account that has at least 1G of storage ?
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[15:10] <deco> 1GB*
[15:11] <thrice`> dropbox type?
[15:11] <Weltenfeind> Froogle > I'm sorry. Did you say something?
[15:11] <Froogle> deco: Set it up yourself. Otherwise youll end up with unreliable crap.
[15:11] <deco> thrice`: not really ... more for ssh
[15:11] <vekinose> Does anyone have any insight as to why this might be occurring?  ./b43-firmware.SlackBuild: line 30: b43-fwcutter: command not foundn
[15:12] <Froogle> Weltenfeind: You seem to have a blindness also referred to as "Can only read every second line" :)
[15:12] <nix_chix0r> my mom doesn't understand when you opt to do a volunteer thing about a linux thing that you can't get a write off
[15:12] <fire|bird> vekinose: did you install b43-fwcutter first?
[15:12] <thrice`> vekinose, sure, install "b43-cutter"
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[15:12] <nix_chix0r> because i go to the colleges sometimes and do a install type fest or things like that
[15:13] <Weltenfeind> Froogle > No. I just don't sit and stare at my client all the time.
[15:13] <Froogle> Chixxy_Nix0r_Rox0rz!!! :)
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[15:13] <Froogle> Weltenfeind: Your client been your special friend from down under ? :P
[15:13] <vekinose> I ran the b43-fwcutter slackbuild first, it gave me a message: Slackware package /tmp/b43-fwcutter-012-i486-1_SBo.tgz created.n
[15:13] <Froogle> HAHA
[15:14] <thrice`> vekinose, good :)  you must install it, though.  "installpkg /tmp/b43-fwcutter-012-i486-1_SBo.tgz"
[15:14] <Froogle> Weltenfeind: Your client beeing your special friend from down under ? :P /BzzBzz :)
[15:14] <Weltenfeind> Froogle > Go get laid, dude.
[15:14] <Froogle> Im all worn out.
[15:15] <Froogle> :)
[15:15] <Weltenfeind> From what? Wanking?
[15:15] <thrice`> vekinose, the slackbuild scripts will only build the package, you must install it yourself
[15:16] <vekinose> thrice`: Thank you, I feel like such a n00b. :)  Any idea if there's anything else I have to do the b43 to get it working other than install those two packages?
[15:16] <Froogle> Weltenfeind: Heh, yer funnix
[15:16] <Weltenfeind> I wish.
[15:17] <thrice`> vekinose, that's it.  well, that will make the card itself work, but if you're on an encrypted network, you'll probably have to set up authorization, etc.
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[15:18] <Froogle> Weltenfeind: Doing ok tonight ?
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[15:19] <substancev> i guess im working from home.
[15:19] <substancev> power outtage in our building
[15:19] <deco> substancev: got sent home ?
[15:19] <substancev> nah called in to say i was going to be late they said... better work from home
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[15:20] <deco> substancev: ah ok , cool
[15:20] <substancev> i need to get X running to start working
[15:20] <substancev> brb gunna test if vpnc still works
[15:20] <harksaw> I'm trying to compile and install the 2.6.31.6 kernel - I use the same .config file that was there with the original slackware 13 install, but when I try to boot it it gives me a kernel panic saying it's not syncing VFS. I am using the ext4 filesystem which I have selected in the linux config as a module - what should I do?
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[15:21] <gutts_> hi
[15:21] <substancev> yup still works
[15:21] <gutts_> I've got a pb with slackpkg update
[15:21] <gutts_> cp: cannot stat `/tmp/slackpkg.lKlGUW/CHECKSUMS.md5': No such file or directory
[15:21] <substancev> harksaw i just wen thru this.. the fix is easy.
[15:22] <Froogle> harksaw: You need to have the filesystem module for the boot partition compiled IN
[15:22] <thrice`> harksaw, if it's a module, you'll need an initrd
[15:22] <Froogle> Not as a module
[15:22] <substancev> harksaw: this is what i did... from root access rm /boot/initrd.gz and rm /boot/initrd-tree
[15:22] <thrice`> not needed :)
[15:22] <thrice`> mkinitrd -c will clear it
[15:23] <Froogle> thrice`: He will need to put the module into the init ramdisk and have the script probe i
[15:23] <Froogle> t
[15:23] <substancev> harksaw: then mkinitrd -c -k `uname -r` -m ext4
[15:23] <Weltenfeind> Froogle > All fine.
[15:23] <Froogle> IE: findboot
[15:23] <substancev> that should do it
[15:23] <thrice`> Froogle, I didn't deny that :)
[15:23] <substancev> no
[15:23] <Froogle> Weltenfeind: Good
[15:23] <substancev> harksaw: then mkinitrd -c -k `2.6.31.6` -m ext4
[15:23] <substancev> harksaw: then mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.31.6 -m ext4
[15:24] <substancev> sorry
[15:24] <substancev> i did that and got it to boot about 40 minutes ago
[15:24] <thrice`> and be sure to re-run lilo
[15:24] <Froogle> thrice`: If he is not building a new dist itd be much easier to simply compile in ext2/3 etc
[15:24] <Froogle> The kernel wont be any slower
[15:24] <substancev> then edit your /etc/lilo.conf and add initrd = /boot/initrd.gz
[15:25] <harksaw> ok, so I do not need to recomplie with ext4 compiled in the kernel ?
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[15:25] <Froogle> 2/3/4 to be safe
[15:25] <substancev> im not sure i thought i compiled mine and it didn't ... i required the initrd
[15:25] <substancev> where is antiwire
[15:25] <substancev> :\
[15:26] <Froogle> harksaw: What your kernel doesnt use it wont get slower from having compiled in. Itll just get a bit bigger (not very much)
[15:26] <harksaw> thank you
[15:26] <Froogle> np
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[15:29] <Froogle> substancev: why is "`uname -r`" required to build the initrd ? .. I mean, would one ever want to build an initrd for anything but the latest kernel ?
[15:29] <Froogle> substancev: Ah, its also used for upgrading kernels. Silly me :)
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[15:32] <pi31415> I have a remote user on a slackware box who cannot reach the Internet.  The default gateway has a metric of 0.  He can reach the Internet after he runs "route delete default" and "route add default gw 192.168.1.1 metric 1" to change the metric from 0 to 1.  What does the metric mean to Linux?  The man page says that the metric is not used by the Linux kernel, so I am curious why this would enable him to reach the Internet.
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[15:35] <Weltenfeind> Bla bla.
[15:35] <substancev> froogle... i made a mistake with `uname -r` that will give you the good kernel
[15:35] <Froogle> pi31415: Your question is as moot as jumping off a cliff to someone who feels inclined to actually live.
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[15:35] <Froogle> I like good kernels
[15:35] <Froogle> :)
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[15:36] <substancev> Froogle: well makes no sense mkinitrd with the kernel you are building from .. need it for the kernel your building for
[15:36] <pi31415> Froogle: Do you have a problem with my question?
[15:36] <substancev> harksaw: hope that helped ya
[15:37] <Froogle> substancev: Yeah.
[15:37] <substancev> im going to put slackintosh on my ibook
[15:37] <substancev> :0
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[15:37] <Alan_Hicks> Froogle: I don't think you really understand the meaning of "moot".
[15:37] <substancev> im going slack crazy...
[15:37] <substancev> wonder if they got tighty whitey slacks.
[15:37] <Froogle> pi31415: You cant reach the internet from a net youre the admin of, but you know about routing metrics
[15:37] <substancev> or bed sheet slacks
[15:38] <Froogle> Hell yeah
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[15:38] <substancev> slack snacks
[15:38] <substancev> ?
[15:38] <substancev> lol
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[15:38] <Froogle> Alan_Hicks: I know i do, but feel free to lay it on me
[15:39] <pi31415> Froogle: I am not the admin of the network in question.  I said it was a remote user.  I THOUGHT that the routing metric was the number of hops a packet would be forwarded through, but I do not know for sure.
[15:40] <substancev> what is the generic driver that should work on all cards for Xorg
[15:40] <adamk> substancev, 'vesa'
[15:40] <adamk> Should work on nearly everything except very very old intel GPUs.
[15:40] <substancev> also if someone has been here for atleast an hour let me know... i would like to ask a favor for my pastebin links within the hour should be three
[15:40] <substancev> if anyone can find em.. appreciate it :)
[15:41] <Froogle> pi31415: "I have a remote user on a slackware box who cannot reach the Internet." This for me indicates youre the admin of the gateway.
[15:41] <substancev> adamk: spankin great...
[15:42] <substancev> now need to figure out why nvidia driver isn't installing under this kernel
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[15:42] <pi31415> Froogle: The gateway is owned by the remote user, I have never touched it.
[15:42] <substancev> switching screens brb
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[15:42] <pi31415> Froogle: I did set up the slackware box for them to use
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[15:43] <Froogle> pi31415: Tell the user to not use it at first. check functionality. Then he may boy whatever routers he likes
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[15:45] <pi31415> Froogle: I think I am at the checking for functionality stage now.
[15:46] <pi31415> Froogle: I would like to understand what the route metric argument really means.
[15:50] <Froogle> pi31415: How many hops (over routers) you should expect at max
[15:50] <pi31415> Froogle: that's what I thought it meant, but the Linux manuals and HOWTOs do not say so
[15:51] <Froogle> pi31415: Keeping it at the lowest will gain much in various speeds but could render a client connect impossible.
[15:52] <Froogle> The defualt is almost always ok, unless youre setting up a wide array of offices using VPN ?
[15:52] <Froogle> default
[15:53] <Froogle> Its not the sort of question i hear from someone with a small routing issue. So thats not your problem.
[15:53] <pi31415> Froogle: they have 3 routers involved
[15:53] <Froogle> Why ?
[15:54] <pi31415> 1: cable modem is also a router, 2: their router, 3: wireless router
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[15:55] <pi31415> I asked them to bypass router 3 and use an ethernet connection to router 2.  They get a DHCP lease and they can ping the default gateway, but cannot get past the default gateway until they change the metric to 1.
[15:55] <Froogle> pi31415: Im too old for this... Ok whats their first obstacle in the context of reaching the internets ?
[15:56] <pi31415> froogle: if they ping a public IP address they get destination unreachable
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[15:57] <pi31415> if they ping the gateway, they get a response.
[15:57] <Alan_Hicks> They likely have two routers setup with the same private subnet.
[15:57] <Alan_Hicks> What does traceroute show?
[15:57] <pi31415> Alan_Hicks: they do
[15:57] <pi31415> traceroute shows that both routers use 192.168.1.1
[15:57] <Alan_Hicks> pi31415: Well there's your problem.
[15:57] <Froogle> pi31415: Ping the internal router first, if ok.. ping the dsl/router, (Not ok atm)...
[15:57] <pi31415> Alan_Hicks: why would the metric work around this problem?
[15:57] <Alan_Hicks> pi31415: It won't.
[15:57] <pi31415> it did
[15:58] <Alan_Hicks> It's at best a band-aid, and I have a hard time believing it worked at all.
[15:58] <Froogle> pi31415: Ah, change the internal router to 192.168.2.100
[15:59] <pi31415> Froogle: I will ask them to do this.  I still do not understand why I could reach the Internet after I changed the metric to 1.
[15:59] <Froogle> 100 is good for server ranges (Usually 100-200 or so)
[15:59] <gutts_> nobody to help me ?
[15:59] <Alan_Hicks> gutts_: What's your problem?
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[15:59] <gutts_> I try to upgrade 12.2 to 13.0
[15:59] <gutts_> so I change my mirror file
[15:59] <Alan_Hicks> pi31415: What exactly did you change to "1"?
[16:00] <Alan_Hicks> gutts_: mirror file?
[16:00] <Froogle> pi31415: One of the routers got confused and used 196.254.garbage or so instead.
[16:00] <gutts_> Alan_Hicks, /etc/slackpkg/mirrors
[16:00] <gutts_> and I run slackpkg update
[16:00] <gutts_> but I ve got this error
[16:00] <gutts_> cp: cannot stat `/tmp/slackpkg.YYFxqd/CHECKSUMS.md5': No such file or directory
[16:00] <Alan_Hicks> gutts_: Let me guess... Did you read UPGRADE.TXT first?
[16:00] <nader> hi, cp doesn't have progress bar any idea?
[16:00] <gutts_> etc
[16:00] <Zordrak> Evenin
[16:00] <gutts_> Alan_Hicks, yep
[16:00] <Zordrak> nader: rsync -av --progress
[16:01] <pi31415> Alan_Hicks: I asked them to run these commands: "route delete default" and "route add default gw 192.168.1.1 metric 1"
[16:01] <Alan_Hicks> Hmm... I don't use slackpkg myself, but...  Is it possible you've filled up your / or /tmp filesystem?
[16:01] <Froogle> pi31415: Thats the microsoft doom of hell "If it doesnt work, lets make it work at times perhaps if youre lucky" (APIPA)
[16:01] <nader> Zordrak, ok but it's slower than cp
[16:01] <pi31415> Alan_Hicks: I changed the default gateway route metric to 1 on the slackware client
[16:01] <Zordrak> nader: no. its not.
[16:02] <Zordrak> well.. tiny percentage points if anything
[16:02] <nader> Zordrak, ok tnx
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[16:03] <Alan_Hicks> pi31415: Likely because the routing table was getting confused as to which "192.168.1.1" router to use. By specifying the metric, you tell it the precise number of hops to the gateway (in this case, 1).
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[16:04] <Alan_Hicks> pi31415: But I don't know how well that will work. I'm not entirely sure the Linux kernel gives a damn about it.  it's quite possible that the kernel will still get confused as to what to do.
[16:04] <pi31415> Alan_Hicks: which routing table got confused, the slackware client or the middle router?
[16:04] <Froogle> pi31415: Change one of the internal routers/switches network address (Id have chosen the middle router/switch)
[16:04] <Alan_Hicks> More likely, the two routers are going to be failing to communicate. The only correct solution to this problem is to set them up on different subnets (assuming they are doing NAT) or different IP addresses (if they are on the same LAN).
[16:05] <pi31415> Froogle: I will ask them to reconfigure the middle router.
[16:05] <nader> Zordrak, you're right it's fast!
[16:05] <Alan_Hicks> pi31415: Likely both.
[16:05] <Zordrak> bien sur
[16:05] <pi31415> I would not expect the slackware client to see the 2nd router
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[16:05] <Froogle> pi31415: Alan_Hicks and i are correct.
[16:05] <pi31415> it should only see the router that is on the same ethernet segment
[16:05] <Froogle> pi31415: Np
[16:05] <pi31415> froogle: I do not doubt it
[16:05] <Zordrak> nader: as far as i am concerned, cp is deprecated in favour of rsync. I only use cp for the most simple of copy operations or where rsync is unavailable
[16:06] <crashdata> omg its been 3 days and i'm only 2/3 of finishing seting up my slack box
[16:06] <crashdata> lolz
[16:06] <Alan_Hicks> rsync is too CPU intensive for general purpose copying.
[16:06] <Alan_Hicks> It also requires more disk I/O at times.  Best to just use cp unless you have a specific need for rsync.
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[16:07] <ananke> Alan_Hicks: when you're just copying, rsync barely uses any cpu
[16:07] <ananke> it's all i/o bound
[16:07] <harksaw> substancev, thanks, it worked
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[16:07] <ferdna> i created a sh script file... with export VAR=/dir/dir
[16:07] <ferdna> but it doesn work
[16:07] <ferdna> it doesn't set my env variable
[16:08] <Froogle> ananke: sweet aint it ?
[16:08] <ferdna> do i need to add quotes to it?
[16:08] <ananke> Froogle: i've been using rsync for years. i can't imagine working without it :)
[16:08] <Alan_Hicks> ananke: I'll defer to your judgement then.  It's been some time since I used rsync for general purpose copying, but I seem to recall it using considerably more resources on large files that had substantially changed when compared to cp.
[16:08] <Froogle> ananke: I agree, its perfect for any backup or copy tasks.
[16:09] <ananke> Alan_Hicks: even as we speak i'm creating an initial snapshot with rsnapshot on my workstation. rsync is hovering between 1-2% cpu.
[16:09] <Froogle> ananke: I like gadmin-rsync, seen it ?
[16:09] <ananke> Froogle: nope, never heard of it. i'll have to check it out
[16:09] <Froogle> I just love it
[16:10] <ferdna> should i use #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh ?
[16:10] <ananke> ferdna: depends on what syntax you use :)
[16:10] <Alan_Hicks> ferdna: yes
[16:10] <Froogle> sh
[16:10] <ferdna> export var=/pathdir
[16:11] <ferdna> but this doesnt work
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[16:12] <ferdna> i exit vim and run the script
[16:12] <ferdna> and then do echo $var
[16:12] <ferdna> and it comes empty
[16:12] <Urchlay> ferdna: what are you trying to do? a script can't modify the environment of its caller
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[16:12] <ferdna> Urchlay, i want to set some env variables in my script
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[16:12] <ferdna> so i don't have to make it manually
[16:12] <Urchlay> ferdna: to do that, run the script as "source scriptname" instead of just "scriptname"
[16:13] <ferdna> Urchlay, that worked!
[16:13] <Urchlay> (using "source" makes it run in the current shell instead of spawning a new shell process)
[16:13] <vekinose> So I installed b43, iwconfig'd the ap the essid, connected and got an IP... but no net connection.  Any insight?
[16:13] <ferdna> so will this script work if i place it in my /etc/rc.d/
[16:13] <ferdna> ?
[16:13] <ananke> hmm, i have a faint feeling that the person behind gadmin tools is a well known troll in ##linux
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[16:14] <Urchlay> and if you're a lazy typist, you can type ". scriptname" instead ("." means the same thing as "source")
[16:14] <ananke> yes! it's the same jerkwad that nachox banned from here a few days ago
[16:14] <Urchlay> ferdna: ah, you want to export some variables that are active whenever you log in? either put them in ~/.bash_profile or in a file in /etc/profile.d
[16:15] <Urchlay> (/etc/profile.d affects all users, ~/.bash_profile only affects the one user whose home directory you put it in)
[16:16] <ferdna> i cant tipe
[16:16] <ferdna> lol
[16:17] <ferdna> yes i can'
[16:17] <ferdna> Urchlay, yes i want to be all users
[16:17] <ferdna> Urchlay, /etc/profile.d is a directory
[16:17] <ferdna> what should i look for in there? or what should i modify?
[16:19] <ferdna> i guess to copy my script in there
[16:19] <ferdna> :)
[16:20] <vekinose> when I dhclient wlan0, i get bound to 192.168.1.105 -- renewal in 41479 seconds. -- which I'm taking to mean I'm connected, but I can't even access the router.  Any ideas?
[16:20] <Froogle> ananke: Dont you like the gadmintools team ?
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[16:20] <Urchlay> yah. It needs to be named so it ends in .sh and needs to be executable
[16:20] <thrice`> vekinose, sounds like you  might not be associated properly ?
[16:20] <Froogle> ananke: Italians, Germans, Swedes and so on.
[16:21] <vekinose> thrice`: Maybe.  The only security on the router is MAC filtering... anything specific i should be checking?
[16:21] <Froogle> ananke: US army uses their applications.
[16:21] <ferdna> Urchlay, thanks
[16:21] <alisonken1home> convention is the name should end in .sh
[16:21] <ferdna> thanks
[16:22] <thrice`> vekinose, hm, that should be OK then :\
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[16:22] <thrice`> try dhcpcd instead of chclient
[16:22] <thrice`> dhclient*
[16:22] <ananke> Froogle: the author behind those, 'magnus loef' is a well known jackass and troll
[16:22] <ananke> ohh, it's you. go figure
[16:22] <thrice`> vekinose, so, killall dhclient; dhcpcd wlan0
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[16:23] <Froogle> ananke: And how would that make any difference ?
[16:23] <Urchlay> ferdna: you might want to look at /etc/profile as well (don't modify it, just look at it to understand how the /etc/profile.d/ stuff gets called)
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[16:23] <Froogle> ananke: Dont call me a troll please.
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[16:24] <vekinose> thrice`: Is dhcpcd supposed to give me any output?
[16:24] <Froogle> ananke: My name is Daniel and i dont like you now.
[16:24] <ferdna> cool thanks Urchlay
[16:25] <thrice`> vekinose, maybe, probably not.
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[16:25] <thrice`> vekinose, and, ping google.com ?
[16:25] <Froogle> ananke: Microsoft ?
[16:25] <vekinose> thrice`: gotta disconnect the lan. brb
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[16:27] <vekinose> thrice`: I love you. Now how do I make it connect at login?
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[16:27] <thrice`> ok, so I guess you were doing it right, and dhclient just sucks :)
[16:28] <vekinose> thrice`: I'm not a *total* n00b.  I'm a ubuntu convert.  I wanted something more challenging, and Gentoo is just such a silly name. ;)
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[16:28] <thrice`> lol
[16:28] <pirving> ok, simple question but I can't find on google.  How do I rip out xscreensaver or disable it.  Every time it starts it locks my 'puter.  Maybe it's power management, but I can't disable it on my crappy BIOS. Dell Dimension 4550
[16:29] <thrice`> vekinose, well, if you want a little more work (though, not much), you can add your info to slackware's init script for networking
[16:29] <ananke> pirving: you can just uninstall it. however, it's probably your DPMS settings
[16:29] <vekinose> thrice`: Sounds lovely. Where's the init networking script hiding at?
[16:29] <pirving> ananke: Thank you
[16:30] <thrice`> vekinose, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network   is a little detailed, but contains great examples.  otherwise, if you want a point+click solution, slackware has a package called "wicd" in extra/
[16:30] <Necos> lol, this is sad... work is so slow today, that my mom actually came to visit since she has the day off
[16:31] <ananke> pirving: make sure you have the latest bios on that machine. also, what video card do you have?
[16:31] <deco> Necos: you know it's bad when one's mom comes to visit :P
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[16:31] <thrice`> vekinose, the good stuff is "wirless configuration in rc.inet1.conf"
[16:31] <Necos> deco, lol
[16:31] <pirving> ananke:  I don't think the BIOS has ever been flashed good call
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[16:31] <ananke> pirving: dmidecode utility can tell you what the current bios version is
[16:31] <Necos> well, i haven't visited my mom in like 3 weeks lol
[16:32] <Froogle> ananke: drovned-troll
[16:32] <Necos> and that's a good thing... it's why i moved out ;)
[16:32] <pirving> ananke: I'm not sure, I didn't even look at the video card when I opened the case.  Just got the computer.  Runs xfce really fast, even though it's old.  I think some douche put miss matched RAM in it though. Ugh  gotta read the error log in BIOS I think
[16:32] <deco> hehe true
[16:32] <ananke> pirving: 'lspci | grep -i vga' will tell you the video adapter
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[16:33] <Necos> but yeah, tech support dept with no tech to support is VERY boring
[16:33] <Froogle> How many wants an-ake to fry and bake ?
[16:33] <Froogle> Govts coming for ya
[16:34] <vekinose> thrice`: Yeah, I already threw my info into that...that's all I have to do?
[16:34] <alienBOB> Froogle: cut it please
[16:34] <ananke> pirving: dmidecode -s bios-version
[16:34] <Necos> Froogle, really man, what is your problem?
[16:35] <pirving> ananke: Thanks, I have something to go on now.
[16:35] <Pig_Pen> i want to go to Area51 and get a job as a UFO pilot!
[16:36] <Necos> Pig_Pen, reminds me of independence day :P
[16:36] <jeev> Necos, you can play will smith.. because it's obvious
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[16:38] <Necos> ...
[16:38] <Necos> do i get to punch jeff goldblum in the face? >.>
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[16:38] <Necos> 'cause that'd make the pain of playing will smith worth it
[16:38] <thrice`> vekinose, should be :)  /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart     should then re-load networking stuff
[16:39] <Pig_Pen> i can take a hit, ill play goldblum
[16:39] <yz250> gn all
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[16:40] <substancev> I built my kernel 2.6.31.6 and currently running it. However after the compile i
[16:40] <substancev> i'm unable to install nvidia drivers
[16:40] <Froogle> I have no problem what so ever. Well, i do drink too much santa-sparking-soda
[16:41] <substancev> im sorry.. i managed to install drivers but now Xorg isn't working
[16:41] <Froogle> sparkling
[16:41] <Pig_Pen> substancev: i have that same kernel version running in slack-13 & the nvidia driver up and running right now
[16:41] <substancev> hey Pig_Pen: mind giving me a hand?
[16:41] <Pig_Pen> nvidia-xconfig
[16:41] <Pig_Pen> or
[16:42] <substancev> restarting and will post log on paste bin
[16:42] <Pig_Pen> X -configure  copy /root/xorg.conf.new as /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change nv to nvidia in the driver section
[16:43] <slackmagic> lt
[16:43] <pi31415> Allen_Hicks: you've helped me before, thank you
[16:43] <pi31415> Froogle: thank you too
[16:43] <slackmagic> blkasldklakdsdl! bah wrong window ! :D
[16:43] <Froogle> Pig_Pen: xorg uses the xorg.conf thats in the homedir of a user first
[16:43] <Froogle> pi31415: No problem
[16:44] <Froogle> Or, rather.. the user that logs on.
[16:45] <jeev> Necos, everyone gets to punch jeff goldblum
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[16:45] <pi31415> I am not the only one who dislikes Jeff Goldblum?
[16:45] <deco> jeev:
[16:45] <jeev> everyone does
[16:45] <jeev> deco deco
[16:45] <jeev> dislikes
[16:46] <Pig_Pen> your not making my job playing jeff goldblum easy!
[16:46] <Froogle> jeev: The dude that made the fusion chamber / wormhole movie and got combined with a fly ?
[16:46] Action: Alan_Hicks doesn't know who Jeff Goldblum is and doesn't much care.
[16:46] <pi31415> the sideways glance, almost effeminate voice, and mildly sarcastic smirk, ugh!
[16:46] <Alan_Hicks> pi31415: Anytime.
[16:46] <jeev> dunno frogg
[16:46] <jeev> Alan_Hicks, the guy from independence day
[16:46] <jeev> and wasn't he in jurassic park ?
[16:46] <substancev>  Pig_Pen: http://www.pastebin.ca/1702367 here is my output error and log
[16:47] <Pig_Pen> and the fly
[16:47] <jeev> wait, is that him in jurassic too ?
[16:47] <Froogle> rock!
[16:47] <substancev> Pig_Pen: this is after a nvidia-xconfig
[16:47] <Alan_Hicks> jeev: The crazy Jewish guy with the Mac who was so concerned about the global warming farce?
[16:47] <jeev> yea
[16:47] <Alan_Hicks> Don't much care for him one way or the other.
[16:48] <deco> oh jeff! i find him rather annoying
[16:48] <Alan_Hicks> Disliking him would have to mean he's somewhere on my radar.
[16:48] <Zordrak> Alan_Hicks: also known for "The Fly"
[16:48] <rworkman> Froogle: I don't know who you are, nor do I know what your problem with ananke is, but I know this: 1) you're not a regular here.  2) he is a regular here.  3) your pushing of some gadmin stuff that seems associated with a known troll who's been banned from here is suspcious.
[16:48] <Alan_Hicks> Zordrak: Never sen it.
[16:48] <Pig_Pen> substancev: did you do a complete install? did you uncheck any packages when you installed slackware? because lines 155 and 159 shows type1 and freetype to be missing
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[16:49] <Zordrak> Alan_Hicks: gruesome film.. guy gets genetically merged with a fly
[16:49] <deco> o_o
[16:49] <Froogle> rworkman: Who are you ?
[16:49] <Pig_Pen> substancev: there is something wrong other than the kernel build and nvidia
[16:49] Action: alienBOB likes Jeff Goldblum
[16:49] <rworkman> Froogle: one of the people who gets to decide if you get to stay here.  Any more questions?
[16:49] <Froogle> alienBOB: Jeff rocks
[16:49] <Zordrak> Froogle: rworkman is someone who has worked hard for Slackware and has earned a lot of people's respect. Who are you?
[16:50] <Froogle> rworkman: Personal friend of ananke ?
[16:50] <substancev> Pig_Pen: this works on the previous kernel
[16:50] <rworkman> Froogle: is it raining there?
[16:50] <Alan_Hicks> Froogle: Don't push it.
[16:50] <Scuzz> fire|bird: ping
[16:50] <alienBOB> Froogle: rworkman ananke and me are on the same team
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[16:50] <rworkman> Smart.
[16:50] <Zordrak> unusual
[16:50] <deco> Scuzz: he's afk atm
[16:51] <alienBOB> Froogle felt like he was Quiznos' brother
[16:51] <Scuzz> thanx deco
[16:51] <thrice`> or retarded cousin
[16:51] <rworkman> alienBOB: quite possible.
[16:51] <Pig_Pen> substancev: something either did not get installed, or your kernel build is borked (as far as nvidia is concerned) then
[16:51] <rworkman> or that.
[16:51] <SpacePlod> win 5
[16:51] <SpacePlod> crud
[16:51] <Alan_Hicks> What is a retarded man's retarded cousin?
[16:51] <Zordrak> alienBOB: fyi, quiznos is now tripFantastic .. but still lingers with the same bad smell
[16:51] <thrice`> a rodent or something
[16:52] <ferdna> anyone has experience installing slackware with minimum packages?
[16:52] <Zordrak> ferdna: ask a question
[16:52] <substancev> Pig_Pen: I will wait for antiwire... he was helping me and got me past a point previously...
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[16:53] <Pig_Pen> good luck
[16:53] <ferdna> Zordrak, i would like to know the minimum packages that i must install to have a minimum slack install
[16:53] <thrice`> ferdna, that can vary.  if you need x.org stuff, etc
[16:53] <Alan_Hicks> ferdna: Define "minimum"
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[16:54] <Alan_Hicks> The only 100% bare minimum are selected packages from the a series, but that doesn't give you much more than bash and the kernel.
[16:54] <ferdna> i define minimum as in no graphical
[16:54] <ferdna> but all utilities
[16:54] <ferdna> one editor
[16:54] <ferdna> text
[16:54] <ananke> magnuswe, the author of many of the gadmin tools, is a well known troll in ##linux. he wasn't active much in the last year, but recently has started showing back up. he's always coming from 'ice.net' isp. he's a very blunt troll, and more often than not he excuses his trolling by stating how much he contribues to FOSS [via his gadmin software]
[16:54] <Alan_Hicks> ferdna: Then just leave off kde, kdei, x, and xap.
[16:55] <Alan_Hicks> You'll have several text editors and the like, but the extra won't take up much space and next to no resources.
[16:55] <cteg> thats easy, install a/ap/d/n. after that deinstall everything out of that you dont need
[16:55] <ananke> #linux-ops folks can provide more information, pretty much every freenode staff who has assisted in ##linux in the last few years knows that troll
[16:55] <alienBOB> With a, ap, n you already have a functional Slackware mostly
[16:55] <substancev> im sorry Pig_Pen... someone had different opinions then you. i still need help getting nvidia to work after my 2.6.31.6 kernel compile.
[16:55] <rworkman> ananke: I *thought* the ice.net sounds familiar, but I wasn't sure and wasn't going to ban based on that.  I wish you'd pm'd that to me or told me elsewhere :)
[16:56] <ananke> unfortunately, he seems to have branched out, and he's visiting other channels
[16:56] <ananke> rworkman: i didn't notice it was him until it was way too late
[16:56] <rworkman> Well, I suspect I'll remember next time :)
[16:57] <Alan_Hicks> I will too, even though I hardly ever ban anyone unless they're obviously disturbing the channel.
[16:57] <Alan_Hicks> Though I was a little tempted earlier when he was spilling non-sense.
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[16:57] <ananke> WildPikachu, Fieldy, stew, etc -> those staff members probably would have more to say on the subject of that person
[16:57] <rworkman> Well, when someone joins a channel purely to harass someone over stuff that happened elsewhere, I have little tolerance.
[16:57] <ferdna> i have a list of all packages... however i am unsure of whichs ones i need
[16:57] <ferdna> let me post
[16:57] <rworkman> ferdna: pastebin
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[16:57] <ferdna> yeah
[16:58] <rworkman> ferdna: honestly though, I suspect few (if any) people will read through it.  We all know the packages available.
[16:58] <rworkman> There's no substitute for experience in getting the "right" package combinations.
[16:58] <ferdna> http://pastebin.com/m79c49ef2
[16:58] <substancev> harksaw: kernel working?
[16:59] <ferdna> there it is...
[16:59] <ferdna> i have already selected a few
[16:59] <ferdna> but i wonder if that is what i need
[16:59] <ferdna> this file is based on tag files
[16:59] <harksaw> substancev, yes, and thank you. Unfortunately, though, I still can't get my optical sound port to work which was the reason I had tried upgrading my kernel
[17:00] <harksaw> sound card works fine otherwise just not the optical port
[17:00] <cteg> ferdna: i've seen 4 editors on the first sight ;) too lazy to look further
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[17:04] <ferdna> cteg, yeah, but the flag is it SKP or ADD?
[17:04] <nader> Can I install slackware from the source like gentoo?
[17:05] <cteg> you need elvis for cron. decide which one else you want, if any
[17:06] <alienBOB> nader: not un-attended, no
[17:06] <sahk0> vim works for cron too, if you dont install elvis
[17:07] <sahk0> and you can always export VISUAL in .$SHELLrc
[17:07] <substancev> i have compiled my kernel from stock to 2.6.31.6... after the install i tried to reinstall nvidia drivers and could build the module.. someone game me a command line that pointed to my source files... and nvidia built the module with no errors. However... upon running startx... i get the following error: http://www.pastebin.ca/1702367
[17:07] <substancev> couldn't build the module
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[17:08] <substancev> btw... the stock kernel loads my drivers perfectly
[17:09] <ferdna> yeah i prefer vim
[17:09] <ferdna> elvis is a fork
[17:10] <deco> vim is a fork too
[17:10] <substancev> i like nano
[17:11] <cteg> prepare for carnage
[17:11] <cteg> editor wars
[17:12] <deco> i use vim
[17:12] <ferdna> lol
[17:12] <substancev> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.31.6-pdg/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[17:12] <substancev> i think this is the key errro
[17:12] <substancev> error
[17:13] <alienBOB> Of course it is
[17:13] <substancev> :)
[17:13] <alienBOB> It is your kernel that is the problem.
[17:13] <alienBOB> It probably misses something crucial
[17:15] <substancev> alient is that your wiki on slackbook.org?
[17:17] <substancev> kinda dead in here.. :\
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[17:17] <substancev> going to compile from scratch again
[17:18] <cteg> really they are linking vi to vim now if elvis is not present
[17:18] <cteg> was that always the case?
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[17:18] <Pig_Pen> substancev: if you build the same kernel using the same .config it wont make a difference
[17:19] <alienBOB> cteg: yes
[17:19] <substancev> pig_pen: i will build using my working kernel's config i used Pat's config from the wiki
[17:19] <substancev> Pig_Pen: actually... im going to start from scratch
[17:19] <Pig_Pen> ok
[17:19] <substancev> imma go through it all : gulp :
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[17:20] <Shockrates> how can i define a hotkey to minimize all windows in the current workspace? like superL+D in windows
[17:20] <substancev> once i build this kernel im going to upload it somewhere for anyone using my kinda laptop
[17:21] <alienBOB> Shockrates: you asked the same in #kde and did not get an answer there either
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[17:21] <alienBOB> Heh
[17:21] <substancev> shockrates CTRL+ALT+D
[17:21] <substancev> nevermind
[17:23] <cteg> at least he should mention what wm or desktop he is using heh
[17:24] <substancev> ur right... cuz those ctrl+alt+d doesn't work in fluxbox.. thats what i use
[17:24] <Reticenti> what's the best way to find how fast on average a progrm runs?
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[17:25] <substancev> if im starting from scratch... i can just run make menuconfig instead of make oldconfig ?
[17:26] <powtrix> hi, Im trying a workaround for wine and it need to edit /etc/sysctl.conf - is there it/similar file on slackware?
[17:27] <powtrix> the workaround is ’ http://wiki.winehq.org/PreloaderPageZeroProblem
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[17:27] <cteg> do make mrproper before, a high build number is embarrassing ;)
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[17:30] <alienBOB> powtrix: you can create /etc/sysctl.conf and Slackware will use it
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[17:30] <Pig_Pen> the low temps tonite is down to the single digits tonite here
[17:30] <substancev> man this is going to be a pain in the but....
[17:30] <cteg> is anyone using a core i5-750 with that turbo-whatever mode, is that working ok in linux?
[17:31] <powtrix> ok, let me try. tks
[17:31] <powtrix> i am trying to load Nascar2 - 1993 game, DOS era :)
[17:32] <Pig_Pen> dosbox ?
[17:33] <substancev> is there any default .config file i can use to help me build my new kernel ?
[17:34] <powtrix> dosbox does not load, so slow x10
[17:34] <Pig_Pen> i would give you my .config but you would have to make so many changes it would hardly be worth it substancev
[17:34] <cteg> if you want to have the latest, you get get 2.6.32 and try that new build mode
[17:34] <powtrix> slow to load it*
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[17:34] <cteg> s/get/could
[17:34] <beatzz> deco: u still around?
[17:34] <beatzz> Pig_Pen: ?
[17:34] <Pig_Pen> new build mode?
[17:34] <deco> beatzz: yeah
[17:34] <Pig_Pen> yeah?
[17:34] <deco> always
[17:34] <beatzz> Pig_Pen: i went and bought a new wifi card, it is recognized
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[17:34] <beatzz> ifconfig shows it
[17:34] <beatzz> lspci shows it
[17:35] <beatzz> but wicd-curses shows no networks
[17:35] <Pig_Pen> wicd?
[17:35] <XGizzmo> substancev: ftp://ftp.chowhouse.com/pub/slackware-13.0/kernels/hugesmp.s/config
[17:35] <beatzz> and i got this error in dmesg
[17:35] <beatzz> i will type it to u
[17:35] <beatzz> dmesg | grep wlan0 gives me this
[17:35] <deco> beatzz: have you tried ifconfig wlan0 up ? wlan0 being what ever you  have to use
[17:35] <cteg> yeah it should gather your system parameters and everything and makes a config out of that. have to try it one day
[17:35] <Pig_Pen> then if /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf cant get it off the ground i dont know
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[17:35] <beatzz> deco: yes i did ifconfig wlan0 up
[17:35] <deco> beatzz: ok
[17:36] <beatzz> errors from dmesg
[17:36] <beatzz> wlan0 (rt61pci): not using net_device_ops yet
[17:36] <Pig_Pen> rt61pci?
[17:36] <Pig_Pen> that it?"
[17:36] <beatzz> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
[17:37] <Pig_Pen> i have that rt61pci card and wpa_supplicant does not like it, i cant use wpa/wpa2 i can only use wep and wireless-tools
[17:37] <beatzz> lspci ->
[17:37] <beatzz> 02.0a.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
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[17:38] <cteg> beatzz: works fine here. do you have the firmware installed?
[17:38] <beatzz> negitive
[17:38] <XGizzmo> fail
[17:38] <beatzz> is it on sbopkg?
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[17:38] <cteg> no its in stock
[17:39] <beatzz> where can i get it?
[17:39] <Pig_Pen> set your router's essid/ssid and wep, then add that information to both rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf with a text editor (thats how i did it)
[17:39] <beatzz> stock?
[17:39] <cteg> its on your dvd
[17:39] <DralaFi> TROET
[17:40] <alienBOB> Just remove rc.wireless.conf (note: only the .conf!) and use rc.inet1.conf exclusively.
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[17:40] Action: beatzz looks for firmware on his dvd
[17:40] <beatzz> SlackDVD/ ??
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[17:41] <beatzz> i dont see any directory named stock
[17:41] <cteg> man
[17:41] <cteg> look in /n for packages with *firmware*
[17:41] <cteg> rt61 something
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[17:41] <cteg> rt61-firmware-1.2-fw-1
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[17:42] <cteg> if you made a full install you have it anyway, follow alienBOB
[17:43] <beatzz> shouldent wicd show networks? w/o configuring inet?
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[17:43] <beatzz> ive never touched inet on my laptop, and wicd shows all nearby networks
[17:43] <substancev> AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology TL-58 / 1.9 GHz this is the kind of dual core processor i have... Should i select something other then Pentium-pro as teh processor in kernel configs?
[17:44] <DralaFi> substancev, yes
[17:44] <substancev> no idea which one..
[17:44] <substancev> :\
[17:44] <substancev> i think it is k8
[17:45] <alienBOB> beatzz: if you want to use wicd, then leave rc.inet1.conf alone. It is one or the other
[17:45] <DralaFi> substancev, I have AMD Athlon X2... I selected something. Let me see my config
[17:45] <beatzz> alienBOB: for shure, i dont wana mess w/ inet yet.
[17:45] <substancev> you probably selected Athlon64
[17:45] <beatzz> alienBOB: im gana try to install this firmware and see if wicd will show me networks
[17:45] <beatzz> we will see what happens
[17:45] <beatzz> switching networks
[17:46] <beatzz> brb
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[17:48] <DralaFi> odd
[17:48] <DralaFi> CONFIG_GENERIC_CPU=y
[17:48] <DralaFi> CONFIG_X86_CPU=y
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[17:48] <DralaFi> but I dont have the specific CPU option selected
[17:49] <beatzz> ok, i installpkg rt61-firmware-1.2-fw-1.txz && ifconfig wlan0 down && ifconfig wlan0 up
[17:49] <beatzz> still nothing on wicd-curses
[17:49] <substancev> ubuntu has flooded google
[17:50] <substancev> f
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[17:52] <substancev> im going to select k8
[17:52] <DralaFi> I have selected K8 in the past. just not sure why it's not selected on this kernel.
[17:52] <nix_chix0r> where is he!
[17:53] <substancev> is a dual core processor considered 1 CPU... or 2 CPU
[17:54] <ananke> substancev: it's a 'processor' with 'two cores'
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[17:55] <ananke> so what matters at this point is: why are you asking that question?
[17:55] <ananke> are you trying to decide whether to enable SMP or not?
[17:55] <DralaFi> yes enable SMP
[17:55] <DralaFi> and logically it's considered 2 CPU
[17:56] <cteg> heh my dad just asked if he could play that "bluetooth movie" with his player
[17:56] <DralaFi> (AFAIK at least from the perspective of the kernel)
[17:56] <substancev> SMP... i only see this.. ] Support non-standard 32-bit SMP architectures (NEW)  &&  Support for big SMP systems with more than 8 CPUs (NEW)
[17:56] <ananke> substancev: why were you asking that question?
[17:57] <substancev> Max number of cpu's
[17:57] <substancev> i put it to 2
[17:57] <substancev> im on a laptop the hardware wont change
[17:57] <ananke> substancev: you shouldn't have to set that
[17:57] <substancev> ok
[17:58] <substancev> so i leave it what blank? or default 8?
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[17:58] <substancev> what is wrong with 2? I'm trying to compile from scratch since my previous compile is having issues with installing nvidia drivers.
[18:00] <DralaFi> substancev, that value is for max cpus. you can safely leave it at 4 or 8 or higher. the kernel will auto-detect at boot time. You can just save yourself 8k or so of RAM (I think) by limiting the max supported cpus
[18:01] <substancev> it is 8k... no biggie right... imma set it at 4...
[18:01] <DralaFi> substancev, well for laptops, where hardware's not gonna change, you can just set it to the real value (in this case 2)
[18:02] <DralaFi> the point ananke was trying to make is that you can safely skip that question as it's not really a big deal - but if you are tuning things and want to set it, just set it to the correct value
[18:02] <substancev> Intel microcode patch loading support .... im only amd so this can go too right?
[18:02] Action: DralaFi shrugs about intel microcode - amd might have an equivalent... dunno
[18:02] <substancev> DralaFi: thanks you guys are great... i already compiled my kernel but having trouble getting nvidia to install.. (which wasn't the reason for kernel updating)
[18:03] <substancev> there is an equiv...
[18:03] <substancev> bah.. ill get rid of it.
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[18:04] <nix_chix0r> where is that..............guy
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[18:04] <alienBOB> beatzz: you did reboot after installing that firmware, or did you?
[18:04] <beatzz> i just did, seems i have to ifconfig wlan0 up again
[18:04] <beatzz> bout to test wicd-curses
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[18:05] <cteg> if you use wicd, dont ifconfig
[18:05] <beatzz> still no networks shown.
[18:05] <beatzz> its shown on ifconfig / iwconfig / and lspci
[18:05] <alienBOB> beatzz: you did configure wicd to consider wlan0 as the wireless interface it should monitor?
[18:05] <beatzz> but its not showing me netowrks
[18:05] <beatzz> i dident know you had to.
[18:06] <DralaFi> beatzz, rf kill switch?
[18:06] <alienBOB> Does "iwlist wlan0 scan"  show any networks?
[18:06] <beatzz> ive used wicd w/ 2 wifi cards and dident have to configure anything
[18:06] <beatzz> let me check
[18:06] <beatzz> alienBOB: yes it dose!!!
[18:06] <alienBOB> beatzz: wicd usually finds out automatically
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[18:06] <beatzz> alienBOB: iwlist wlan0 scan showed me my 2 nearby wifi networks!!!!
[18:07] <thrice`> mine comes up wrong by default in wicd, typically
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[18:07] <alienBOB> At least your card works then
[18:08] <beatzz> so what do u think alienBOB
[18:08] <beatzz> should i just try to iwconfig -essid linksys
[18:08] <beatzz> ?
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[18:08] <substancev> Low address space to protect from user allocation ... default is 4096... should i leave it at this.. its a new feature
[18:08] <beatzz> :OOO
[18:08] <beatzz> IM CONNECTED
[18:09] <alienBOB> substancev: I think you are in this a bit over your head
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[18:09] <substancev> ill stop.. :\
[18:09] <beatzz> ok, so i just need to figure out how to connect to networks via iwconfig
[18:09] <beatzz> from now on
[18:10] <alienBOB> Start with "make oldconfig" substancev and then use the sane defaults that you get in the "make menuconfig" command that you run next
[18:10] <DralaFi> oooh is that the size of the NULL page map?
[18:10] <DralaFi> "Low address space to protect from user allocation"
[18:10] <alienBOB> beatzz: that is what rc.inet1.conf is for
[18:11] <beatzz> alienBOB: do u have some super 1337 guide for inet1.conf ?
[18:11] <alienBOB> But if you're on a laptop, it is worth finding out why wicd does not work now - because it should
[18:11] <alienBOB> beatzz: yes
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[18:11] <beatzz> negitive ghost rider
[18:11] <beatzz> my laptop works just fine w/ wicd
[18:11] <alienBOB> Short: "man rc.inet1.conf"
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[18:11] <substancev> alienBOB: i thought using my old config will still give me that nvidia error
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[18:11] <beatzz> my "server" is now wireless :D and on the interweb
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[18:12] <alienBOB> beatzz: long: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wireless_configuration_in_rc.inet1.conf
[18:12] <lee__> anyone here understands dns entries well enough to tell me how to have a subdomain point to a different IP using the DNS entries only?
[18:12] <alienBOB> substancev: creating a kernel config from scratch will certainly get you a broken kernel
[18:12] <DralaFi> alienBOB, nonsense :P
[18:12] <lee__> ie: domain.com -> 1.1.1.1 and test.domain.com -> 2.2.2.2
[18:13] <cteg> substancev: you should boot your new kernel, then build the nv module. you did that?
[18:13] <substancev> alienBOB: ok.. il start with my working kernel configs...
[18:13] <substancev> cteg: yes... gave me errors.
[18:13] <alienBOB> lee__: domains do not point to IP addresses
[18:13] <alienBOB> Host names do
[18:13] <xsamurai> lee__: seems like a simple a record
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[18:13] <substancev> then someone told me to point it --kernel-source-files linux -k blah blah blah and it worked
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[18:13] <cteg> thats "not good"
[18:14] <beatzz> hmmm..
[18:14] <cteg> you made a mistake with that i guess.
[18:14] <beatzz> alienBOB: I am connected to the AP, but i have no true connection
[18:14] <cteg> the nv build figures the kernel sources alone, for the right kernel version
[18:14] <beatzz> i cant go irc, or on the web
[18:14] <lee__> I have two A record entries, one is domain.com and it points to one IP, with a second entry of test.domain.com pointing to a different ip and it no work.
[18:14] <thrice`> did you start dhcpcd beatzz ?
[18:14] <DralaFi> substancev, i thought it should use /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/build/
[18:14] <alienBOB> You did not get an IP address yet beatzz?
[18:15] <beatzz> dhcpcd ? is that in /etc/rc.d/rc.dhcpcd?
[18:15] <alienBOB> No
[18:15] <xsamurai> lee__: exactly how does it not work
[18:15] <beatzz> i never had to touch that either
[18:15] <beatzz> but shure, i'll give it a go
[18:15] <cteg> so: build your kernel, install, boot, build your nv modules and let nv decide the path.
[18:15] <alienBOB> beatzz: dhcpd != dhcpcd
[18:15] <substancev> DralaFi: I'm going to rebuild a kernel and going to go through the motions getting nvidia installed on it. in the new kernel should i take away nvidia built in support?
[18:15] <substancev> DralaFi: and let the driver from nvidia site install modules
[18:15] <substancev> ?
[18:15] <beatzz> alienBOB: but to start it its in /etc/rc.d/ correct?
[18:16] <lee__> xsamurai: "server not found"
[18:16] <alienBOB> I am about to give up
[18:16] <powtrix> ha! dosbox worked fine
[18:16] <xsamurai> lee__: did you update the serial in the SOA and restart named
[18:16] <alienBOB> I pointed you to two sources of documentation - read that first
[18:16] <DralaFi> substancev, nvidia built in support?
[18:16] <powtrix> :D
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[18:16] <beatzz> your right
[18:17] <lee__> xsamurai: remotely hosted DNS
[18:17] <beatzz> i will read 'man inet1.conf'
[18:17] <thrice`> beatzz, "dhcpcd wlan0"
[18:17] <lee__> xsamurai: if I make the same entry in my hosts file locally it works.
[18:17] <DralaFi> *you're* :P
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[18:19] <beatzz__> oh you guys kick ass...
[18:19] Action: beatzz__ hugs alienBOB & thrice` 
[18:19] <beatzz__> i will still read the manual alienBOB i promise
[18:19] <xsamurai> check your syntax and reference logs for errors but rule is if you make changes in the SOA you must update the serial and reload the dns server
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[18:21] <thrice`> beatzz__, the dhcpcd command is loaded via. rc.inet1.conf :)  get readin'
[18:21] <thrice`> well, configured to run in rc.inet1.conf *
[18:22] <lee__> xsamurai: thanks, will continue .. just needed to make sure I wasn't completely off base.
[18:22] <beatzz__> thrice`: !!!!!
[18:22] <beatzz__> come check out my Apache website~!
[18:22] <beatzz__> http://72.48.68.43
[18:23] <beatzz__> oh wait, i need to open up port 80 on the router
[18:23] <beatzz__> u may not get there just yet
[18:23] <beatzz__> but try :D
[18:23] Action: vastina rooted it
[18:23] <beatzz__> is that bad O_O
[18:23] <thrice`> denied :P
[18:23] <beatzz__> ok i will get the router open
[18:23] Action: substancev sends DoS
[18:23] Action: alienBOB sends WindowS
[18:23] Action: substancev pulls out netbus. 
[18:24] <vastina> haha
[18:24] <vastina> @ alienBOB's remark
[18:24] Action: xsamurai sends his underwear
[18:24] <beatzz__> if u guys haxor my shit, its only gana draw me back here with TONS of stupid questions to ask you
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[18:24] <beatzz__> -_o
[18:24] <substancev> beatzz__: lol
[18:24] <xsamurai> beatzz__:  its not haxor
[18:24] <xsamurai> we only sex0r
[18:25] <beatzz__> niiice :)...
[18:25] <beatzz__> now time to set up this Wifi repeator
[18:25] <beatzz__> to enhance my wifi singal
[18:25] Nick change: beatzz__ -> blacksheep
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[18:32] <blacksheep> macavity: !!!
[18:32] <blacksheep> my server is online
[18:32] <macavity> lets see for how long :P
[18:32] <blacksheep> http://72.48.68.43
[18:32] <blacksheep> check it out hommie
[18:32] <vastina> dog, i told you i rooted it
[18:32] <blacksheep> oh yea
[18:33] <blacksheep> i need to open the port still
[18:33] <heaumer> :D
[18:33] <macavity> blacksheep: socket operation timed out
[18:33] <blacksheep> i know it will be open in just a sec
[18:33] <macavity> amature :P
[18:34] <vastina> all aboard the n00b train!
[18:34] Action: vastina is so happy it's friday
[18:34] <blacksheep> ok macavity
[18:34] <substancev> beatzz very laaggyy what you got dsl?
[18:34] <blacksheep> check it out
[18:35] <substancev> Default to 'data=ordered' in ext3 (EXT3_DEFAULTS_TO_ORDERED) [N/y/?] (NEW)
[18:35] <substancev> anyone got insight on this one?
[18:35] <substancev> they want to default it to data=writeback
[18:35] <thrice`> substancev, that is one of about 30 questions you will get; do you plan to ask us on each? ;)
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[18:36] <substancev> thrice`: im almost done and i stopped asking every question
[18:36] <ananke> would you like us to configure it for you?
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[18:36] <substancev> oh cmon guys.. im doing this solo just got another iffy question
[18:36] <substancev> fine.. ill learn the hardway..
[18:36] <blacksheep> help a brotha out!
[18:36] <ananke> substancev: did you read the help on that option?
[18:36] <blacksheep> substancev: i would help u if i knew wtf ur talkin about
[18:37] <substancev> ananke: yup... i think im going to go writeback i don't care much about security issues this my bring out
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[18:37] Nick change: blacksheep -> beatzz
[18:40] <substancev> everytime i follow alien's wiki on compiling 2.6.27 kernel i get compile error's  .. regardless ill try again.
[18:40] <xsamurai> substancev: did you read the disclaimer ?
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[18:41] <substancev> stop being sensative.. i know nothing is guarenteed
[18:41] <substancev> :)
[18:42] <xsamurai> substancev: no not that, you have to be naked to follow his howto's
[18:42] <substancev> xsamurai: i didn't read that...
[18:42] <substancev> and im always naked ... what gives
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[18:47] <substancev> how can i avoid having to build a initrd.gz with ext4 support... it looks like my kernel is configured to support it
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[18:48] <Pig_Pen> it is against the law to get on the internet nakid!
[18:48] <thrice`> substancev, that's it, it's only 1 option in the config
[18:48] Action: beatzz is going to jail
[18:48] <substancev> strange.. i bet it will not be able to mount my root well see
[18:49] <Pig_Pen> the Discovery Channel has a good show coming up tonite, "The Monsters inside us" about parasites that humans can be infected with
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[18:51] <harksaw> I just installed the newest kernel from source, and now when I try to install the nvidia drivers, it tells me "the kernel header file /lib/modules/2.6.31.6/build/include/linux/version.h does not exist likely because the kernel source files in /lib/modules/2.6.31.6/build have not been configured"
[18:51] <harksaw> does anyone know what I need to do?
[18:51] <substancev> harksaw: you and me a side by side in this race
[18:51] <harksaw> haha
[18:52] <beatzz> im rootin for ya substancev !!!
[18:52] <deco> beatzz: Beatzz's web page, totaly pwntz. congrats man!
[18:53] <beatzz> :D
[18:53] <substancev> harksaw: i took a pit stop and im building my car again ... lol
[18:53] <deco> :)
[18:53] <beatzz> u should see the http server i had setup on my laptop
[18:53] <deco> heh
[18:53] <beatzz> befor i set up my 'server'
[18:53] <beatzz> i copyed googles homepage
[18:53] <substancev> there is a option harksaw... i forgot what it was but it is something like --kernel-source-files or something like that
[18:53] <deco> o_o
[18:53] <beatzz> so when u go to my site, it looks exactly like google
[18:53] <harksaw> an option while compiling the kernel?
[18:53] <deco> beatzz: lol nice
[18:54] <beatzz> hellz yea, i guess i could scp my index.html
[18:54] <beatzz> so it would be that here too.
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[18:54] <beatzz> but i think ive done enough for tonight
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[18:56] <substancev> harksaw: sh /tmp/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.42-pkg1.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux -k 2.6.31.6-pdg
[18:56] <substancev> harksaw: sh /tmp/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.42-pkg1.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux -k `uname -r`
[18:56] <substancev> rather
[18:56] <substancev> change the path to you nvidia script
[18:58] <harksaw> thanks, brb
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[18:59] <cteg> you dont have to do that normally. the script figures everything out itself
[18:59] <substancev> cteg: i had to after compiling the same kernel he did.
[19:00] <beatzz> deco: try it now ;)
[19:00] <cteg> then something went wrong
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[19:00] <deco> beatzz: lol crazy dude
[19:00] <Pig_Pen> ok, i pasted my kernel .config for 2.6.31.6 and nvidia runs fine in it for me, however if you decide to use it you will have to go through it from top to bottom fix it for your hardware http://pastebin.com/d6eaf9f4d
[19:01] <pprkut> or one could just use the SlackBuilds. (not that I'm advertising them here or something....)
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[19:01] <Pig_Pen> good luck = because you are going to need it
[19:01] <beatzz> Pig_Pen: check out my site bro
[19:01] <beatzz> http://72.48.68.43
[19:02] <Pig_Pen> you better not be naked on your website ;p
[19:02] <Pig_Pen> its google!
[19:02] <beatzz> :o
[19:02] <beatzz> but its not! -_o
[19:02] <BP{k}> but it is!
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[19:03] <Pig_Pen> nope, it is a fake google, it does not work
[19:03] <pprkut> a dream comes true. Non-working google!
[19:03] <pi31415> heh, I live in the pacific northwest but freenode connected me through a server in france
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[19:04] <deco> pi31415: i live in california and freenode sometimes connects me to finnish servers
[19:04] <Pig_Pen> i am connected through brown.freenode.net
[19:05] <pi31415> it just don't seem right that my packets travel the atlantic twice to reach you
[19:05] <Pig_Pen> whereever brown is, probably UPS, what can brown do for you?
[19:05] <harksaw> substancev, it gave me the same error. If I look back at my 2.6.29.6 folders, they do contain that version.h file but the 2.6.31.6 does not contain that file
[19:05] <beatzz> and to imagine, thats the fastest route possible
[19:05] <harksaw> I think that's the root of the problem
[19:05] <beatzz> technology pwntz
[19:05] <pi31415> Pig_Pen: that is the optimistic interpretation
[19:06] <cteg> what about your kernel headers
[19:06] <substancev> sorry harksaw.. i recommend getting help from the regular pros here
[19:06] <cteg> you still have your stock slackware kernel no?
[19:06] <cteg> +headers
[19:07] <harksaw> I still have the stock kernel saved, yes
[19:08] <cteg> and the header package?
[19:08] <harksaw> yes, for 2.6.29.6
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[19:09] <cteg> you guys must do something fundamentally wrong but i cant imagine that right now
[19:10] <cteg> i did that 3 times or more in november
[19:10] <cteg> building kernel, installing, rebooting, building nv module, done
[19:10] <cteg> without giving kernel source path whatever
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[19:13] <substancev> im still prepping my kernel reading reading reading reading
[19:13] <hiptobecubic> Pig_Pen, you need to get the favicon
[19:13] <substancev> but its cool im on the clock
[19:15] <cteg> i have one thing with that f*** firefox i cant fix. i dont get favicons in my bookmarks anymore, i rely on them, i just dont read the bookmark descriptions just look for the favicons
[19:15] <paul424> hey did anybody compiled the kde 4.3.4 already and posted it, why it always takes so long time to release the new package for slack ... Does it needs additional testing or something ?>
[19:15] <cteg> i think i have to make a new profile
[19:16] <tripFantastic> has anyone messed with their keymap to try some different arrangements with the function and non alnum keys?
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[19:16] <cteg> or i get rid of firefox, this beast is getting slower and fatter by the month
[19:16] <tripFantastic> i'm thinking of changing the alt-fn tty funs to plain fn
[19:17] <harksaw> so nvidia is telling me that if I had red hat I would want to install kernel-devel - what would be the equivalent thing I'd do in Slackware?
[19:17] <cteg> headers i think
[19:17] <tripFantastic> kernel-heders?
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[19:17] <tripFantastic> in k/ dir
[19:17] <Necos> kernel source and kernel headers
[19:17] <substancev> i aggree with cteg and tripFantastic
[19:17] <tripFantastic> that's dangerous
[19:18] <tripFantastic> hehl some think i'm an heretick :)
[19:18] <Necos> kernel headers are already installed by default (so you can compile programs)
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[19:18] <substancev> harksaw try a normal install of the drivers then pastebin the /var/log/nvidia-installer.log
[19:18] <substancev> maybe the channel can help you trouble shoot better
[19:18] <beatzz> brb, beer run :D
[19:18] <substancev> beatzz: damn
[19:18] <beatzz> Shinner Bock here i come
[19:19] <substancev> i need me some weissbier
[19:19] <beatzz> ?
[19:19] <beatzz> wheat beer?
[19:19] <tripFantastic> oh! it's fri. that's why the beer tawk
[19:19] <beatzz> like hefenweissen?
[19:19] <substancev> franzikernar weissbier
[19:19] <substancev> or something like that
[19:19] <cteg> kinderbier
[19:19] <cteg> ;)
[19:19] <beatzz> try Piramids Heffenweissen
[19:19] <beatzz> ++
[19:19] Action: substancev will
[19:19] <tripFantastic> i'd like an oktober festival in my town
[19:19] <tripFantastic> something i can walk to
[19:20] <beatzz> and crawl back?
[19:20] <substancev> im about to head to the biergarten
[19:20] <beatzz> ;)
[19:20] <tripFantastic> sure, why not
[19:20] <mancha> anyone else get "Well this is embarrasing; Firefox is having trouble recovering your windows and tabs. This is usually
[19:20] <cteg> and the whole world thinks germans are like the octoberfest guys
[19:20] <mancha> caused by a recently opened web page."
[19:20] <cteg> thats why i hate octoberfest
[19:20] <tripFantastic> well; i'll have to make do with the chorizo i cooked up
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[19:21] <candinho> mancha, When this happen just click the button RESTORE and it will restore the pages
[19:22] <deco> happens when you don't close it properly
[19:22] <mancha> candinho, yes it does, but it used to not have all this language. just a resore or restart button
[19:22] <beatzz> pssh forget firefox
[19:22] <beatzz> its all about links
[19:22] <mancha> ah ok, so that's their new "would you like to restore your session pre-crash"?
[19:22] <Necos>  /
[19:22] <substancev> ok... im about to build the kernel... basically make bzImage modules then make modules_install right
[19:22] <tripFantastic> yea
[19:23] <tripFantastic> wait
[19:23] <tripFantastic> make all does kernel and modules
[19:23] <Necos> follow alienBOB's kernel guide
[19:23] <mancha> danke candinho/deco
[19:23] <Necos> http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding
[19:23] <candinho> mancha, what?
[19:23] <substancev> Necos: i am ... last time i did ... i got compile errors..
[19:23] <substancev> ill try again while im in the channel
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[19:24] <candinho> substancev, the best thing u can do  is follow the README in the kernel dir
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[19:24] <substancev> i was using... http://pdg86.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/howto-compile-2-6-31-kernel-in-slackware-13-0/ it got me farther then aliens but i used aliens mkinitrd section and booted to where i am now.
[19:24] <substancev> candinho: ill pass.. last time i did that i almost shat myself
[19:25] <candinho> i do this and always works
[19:25] <candinho> make oldconfig
[19:25] <candinho> make menuconfig
[19:25] <candinho> make
[19:25] <candinho> make modules install
[19:25] <candinho> then copy the bzImage to /boot
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[19:25] <substancev> watching it... you might get booted for flood
[19:25] <candinho> change the name of bzimage to vmlinuz
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[19:25] <candinho> and reinstal LILO
[19:26] <tripFantastic> why rename?
[19:26] <substancev> candinho: that sounds good.. just like i did it before
[19:26] <candinho> because my lilo use vmlinuz to boot
[19:26] <tripFantastic> lilo does what you name it
[19:26] <Necos> substancev, follow alienBOB's guide plzkthx
[19:27] <substancev> Necos: again... i am following his soley ... again.. last time i did. i got compile errors so i resorted to that link i sent
[19:27] <Necos> what errors?
[19:27] <substancev> im not sure but i didn't get past make bzImage modules
[19:28] <substancev> im good for now... i have his wiki printed out
[19:28] <substancev> so im good
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[19:29] <paul424> hey did anybody compiled the kde 4.3.4 already and posted it, why it always takes so long time to release the new package for slack ... Does it needs additional testing or something ?
[19:29] <Necos> you should have pastebin'd those... :P
[19:29] <Necos> paul424, because it's not that damn important
[19:30] <deco> and paul424 we heard you the first time
[19:30] <Necos> if you want bleeding edge the moment it comes out, use another distro
[19:30] Action: merciful compiling 2.6.31.6 with config from 2.6.29.6-huge-smp
[19:30] <beatzz> Aco-: u around hommie?
[19:30] <macavity> thrice`: ping?
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[19:30] <paul424> deco: that's good, I thought you didn't
[19:31] Action: substancev stares into his ziplock bag and pouts, "Look at this little bit o bud left"
[19:31] <thrice`> macavity, pong :)
[19:31] <deco> paul424: so stop spamming
[19:31] <beatzz> substancev: do knife hits w/ it
[19:31] <beatzz> substancev: good way to make a little bit of bud go a long way
[19:31] <Necos> paul424, there are plenty of us that have built 4.3.x without waiting for a release
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[19:32] <Necos> that's what pat provides slackbuild scripts for...
[19:32] <substancev> i have a homemade vaporizer made out of 15w soldering iron.. a copper cap screwed on its end and a planters peanut glass jar as the chamber
[19:32] <Necos> anywho, no more feeding the troll for me :)
[19:32] <macavity> thrice`: i am about to embark on the kernel/drm/mesa/intel upgrade.. any hints/gotchas/versions i should be aware of?
[19:32] <paul424> deco: ok sorry for all the spamming I have done on slackware already, I agree it's my bad :(.
[19:33] <thrice`> macavity, nah, pretty easy.  I'm on 2.6.32 kernel, libdrm 2.4.16, mesa 7.6.1_rc2 (nearly final, I think), and intel 2.9.1 currently
[19:33] <macavity> thrice`: no changes to the official slackbuilds other than source version?
[19:33] <Necos> i've been debating about going to radeonhd 1.3.0...
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[19:34] <substancev> beatzz: stop sweatin the idea :)
[19:34] <thrice`> macavity, nope, none.  I trimmed down mesa a little bit to only build intel stuff, but nothing more
[19:34] <macavity> awesome
[19:35] <macavity> do you still need to remove vesa from the kernel to get KMS to kick in right away?
[19:35] <powtrix> man dosbox is fast, my old games are running \o/
[19:35] <thrice`> macavity, just do libdrm before mesa
[19:35] <macavity> that figures
[19:35] <thrice`> well, I kicked out FB stuff, as I didn't see a point ;)
[19:35] <thrice`> and compile drm + i915 statically
[19:35] <macavity> oh, i still compile in intelfb
[19:35] <macavity> statically?
[19:36] <thrice`> not-as-module
[19:36] <macavity> okies
[19:36] <macavity> same here
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[19:36] <substancev> anybody watch pablo francisco ouch!
[19:36] <macavity> so it sounds like i'll just do the same procedure as last time
[19:37] <macavity> thrice`: btw, you have a pending invite :P
[19:37] <thrice`> macavity, yep.  I would do the 7.6.1rc2 instead of 7.6, as 7.6 plain had some strange things
[19:37] <cteg> powtrix: was just playing duke nukem on dosbox, with good settings thats even more appealing than eduke or something
[19:37] <macavity> 7.6.1 is *this* close to final iirc
[19:38] <thrice`> yeah, rc2 might be it
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[19:38] <powtrix> ill try record nascar or indycar using ctrl-alt-f5
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[19:39] <macavity> hmm.. rc2 wasn't even announced on the ml
[19:39] <substancev> how big is a generic kernel.. typically
[19:39] <thrice`> macavity, I think they've all transitioned into 7.7 stuff :D
[19:39] <substancev> 5 MG?
[19:40] <macavity> thrice`: it looks like they are really getting somewhere
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[19:40] <macavity> thrice`: i follow the list with great interest.. though i dont actually understand much of it :P
[19:41] <thrice`> indeed :)
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[19:44] <substancev> the same shit happened again
[19:44] <substancev> during compile.. im going to paste bin it.
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[19:45] <thrice`> macavity, the next intel driver will be KMS only, they've stripped UMS stuff out
[19:46] <macavity> they really move fast
[19:46] <macavity> TOO fast imho
[19:46] <substancev> http://pastebin.com/m7d5d4aa5
[19:46] <macavity> just a *liiitle* more legacy support wouldn't hurt anyone
[19:46] <substancev> compiling kernel errored again.
[19:46] <substancev> happens when i follow aliens tutorial
[19:46] <macavity> but the Intel guys seems to be intent on only supporint Rawhide :P
[19:47] <macavity> supporting*
[19:47] <thrice`> macavity, probably, but I'll only be upset when my card moves to being unsupported :P
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[19:48] <macavity> of the two of us you will be the last to be hit, remember? :P
[19:48] <merciful> substancev: kernel 2.6.31.6 it is?
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[19:50] <substancev> merciful: yes
[19:50] <merciful> substancev: I'm currently testing it
[19:50] <merciful> no errors yet
[19:50] <substancev> my kernel compile failed.. pastebin'd it
[19:50] <Necos> hmmm
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[19:50] <Necos> looks like a sensor you're compiling is broken
[19:51] <Necos> have you tried compiling without the hardware monitoring?
[19:53] <Necos> either that or your gcc is broken :P
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[19:54] <macavity> and if you tell us that you upgraded your gcc 4.4 we will laugh you out the door :P
[19:54] <macavity> *gcc to 4.4
[19:54] <merciful> Necos: broken indeed, gcc or source
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[19:55] <merciful> substancev: in the past I extracted the source again removing first the current source
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[19:56] <merciful> substancev: so you get a clean source tree
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[20:02] <Necos> anywho, time for lab... see you guys on monday :)
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[20:03] <substanc1v> sorry i timed out
[20:03] <substanc1v> anyone said anything about my kernel error when compiling using alien's wiki
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[20:04] <candinho> cya guys
[20:04] <beatzz> well, AP Repeator might not have been worth 100 bucks.
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[20:04] <merciful> substancev: < merciful> substancev: in the past I extracted the source again removing first the current source
[20:05] <merciful> substancev: < merciful> substancev: so you get a clean source tree
[20:05] <mrpwnage> beatzz: how come?
[20:05] <beatzz> mrpwnage: well, my laptops connected to it
[20:05] <beatzz> but because wicd dose everything for me
[20:05] <beatzz> on my box, i every time i boot up i have to
[20:06] <mrpwnage> i just use two wrt54g to exten my wireless
[20:06] <beatzz> ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan && iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys && dhcpcd wlan0
[20:06] <beatzz> every time
[20:06] <beatzz> and for some reason, it dosent like connecting to the repeator, only the weak signaled sorce AP
[20:07] <beatzz> the dhcpcd command fails when i try to connect to my repeator
[20:07] <substanc1v> im going to try going to get beer be back
[20:07] <beatzz> gl hf
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[20:17] <ea_suter> howdy folks. I'm having some trouble with slackpkg: it insists that I have to select a mirror before running "slackpkg update", however I have already done this.
[20:18] <ea_suter> I'm using slackware current
[20:18] <ea_suter> 32bit
[20:18] <thrice`> can you paste your mirror file ?
[20:19] <ea_suter> just a sec, I'm still in runlevel 2 (just finished a new installation :)
[20:19] <thrice`> actually, this is enough:
[20:19] <thrice`> cat /etc/slackpkg/mirrors | grep -v # | wc -l
[20:21] <Confinements> anyone got a different mirror than mirrors.tds.net to recommend for rsync to slackware-13.0/patches/packages/* ?  i guess tds.net doesn't like Japan for some reason (connection reset by peer)
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[20:21] <ea_suter> Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]...
[20:21] <ea_suter> Try `grep --help' for more information.
[20:22] <Confinements> ea_suter, uh did you start off using -current or did you slackpkg upgrade to -current ?
[20:22] <ea_suter> i get that after pasting the command
[20:22] <thrice`> which command, ea_suter ?
[20:22] <Confinements> put ' around #
[20:22] <Confinements> | grep -v '#'
[20:22] <Steaki> You cat to grep when grep can take an input file?
[20:22] <Steaki> That's a bit silly.
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[20:23] <thrice`> blahblah ;)
[20:23] <ea_suter> Confinements, I just did a net-install of current; ie: booted the usb image, selected a -current mirror and installed
[20:23] <Confinements> oh ok just checking
[20:23] <ea_suter> :)
[20:23] <Confinements> anyways, anyone in Japan?  8-)
[20:23] <Confinements> anyone know of any other decent rsync mirrors to slackware-13.0/patches/packages/* ? 8-)
[20:23] <ea_suter> yeah I know using slackpkg to do an upgrade to -current is probably not a good idea
[20:24] <thrice`> ea_suter, try: grep -v '#' /etc/slackpkg/mirrors | wc -l
[20:24] <thrice`> Confinements, ftp.osuosl.org::slackware
[20:24] <ea_suter> it says: 1
[20:24] <Confinements> thrice`, thanx
[20:24] <thrice`> ok, good :)
[20:25] <thrice`> and what does slackpkg update say ?  perhaps the mirror you have chosen sucks
[20:25] <thrice`> macavity, any luck? ;)
[20:26] <macavity> thrice`: it is too late to begin
[20:26] <macavity> thrice`: i just wanted to gather the information, so i can do the builds tomorrow
[20:26] <ea_suter> "slackpkg update" returns:
[20:26] <macavity> thrice`: but you kinda drove the first step all the way home :P
[20:26] <ea_suter> You do not have any mirror selected in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors
[20:26] <ea_suter> Please edit that file and uncomment ONE mirror.  Slackpkg
[20:26] <ea_suter> only works with ONE mirror selected.
[20:27] <ea_suter> and I selected the same mirror I used to install the system ¬_¬
[20:27] <macavity> ea_suter: you removed both the # and the space? (if there is one)
[20:28] <hitest> forgetting to remove the space is a common error
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[20:29] <ea_suter> right... :(
[20:29] <ea_suter> thanks
[20:30] <thrice`> work now?
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[20:30] <ea_suter> yeah
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[20:30] <Steaki> Funny that it works for me despite leaving the space there then.
[20:30] <ea_suter> odd thing is that on my desktop I have a space before the mirror's address and it does work
[20:31] <ea_suter> yeah
[20:31] <ea_suter> Im working on my laptop at the moment
[20:31] <ea_suter> bug perhaps? :)
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[20:35] <ea_suter> is slackpkg included in -current?
[20:35] <hitest> yep
[20:36] <thrice`> it's been in slack generally for a couple releases
[20:36] <thrice`> I think 12.2 or so
[20:36] <ea_suter> oh I see...
[20:36] <ea_suter> I downloaded an old version then...
[20:36] <ea_suter> it's late and I'm in auto mode :(
[20:36] Action: merciful succesfully build 2.6.31.6
[20:37] <ea_suter> thanks for the help folks
[20:37] <thrice`> ea_suter, /var/log/packages/slackpkg* will tell you, -current is at 2.80.2
[20:37] <ea_suter> yep I see it
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[20:38] <ea_suter> and somehow I managed to install 2.70.4 on top of that
[20:39] <thrice`> awesome :)  well, you can try "removepkg /var/log/packages/slackpkg*" and re-install from a mirror
[20:39] <beatzz>  thrice`
[20:39] <beatzz> what do u know about...
[20:39] <beatzz> repeators
[20:39] <beatzz> actualy, scratch that lame question
[20:39] <thrice`> nothing - never used one :(
[20:40] <beatzz> how do i automate these commands
[20:40] <thrice`> rc.inet1.conf :)
[20:40] <thrice`> you enable 2 or 3 options, and it automates it all
[20:40] <beatzz> ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan && iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys && dhcpcd wlan0
[20:40] <beatzz> ok i will go read that man now
[20:40] <beatzz> thanks buddy
[20:40] <beatzz> :D
[20:40] <macavity> you should not need the scan
[20:40] <ea_suter> yeah yeah its all sorted out now :)
[20:41] <macavity> that is implicit in the essid linksys
[20:41] <beatzz> well yea, if im near that network
[20:41] <macavity> as it will need a becon frame from it anyhow
[20:41] <beatzz> otherwise i need to scan
[20:42] <macavity> roger
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[20:43] <beatzz> so i just need to uncomment wlan0's section of rc.inet1.conf?
[20:43] <beatzz> and put in like dhcp = yes and what not?
[20:44] <Pig_Pen> beatzz: did you get your wifi working?
[20:44] <beatzz> sorta Pig_Pen
[20:44] <beatzz> it works
[20:44] <beatzz> but when i boot
[20:44] <beatzz> i have to do this
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[20:44] <beatzz> ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan && iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys && dhcpcd wlan0
[20:44] <Pig_Pen> lordy!
[20:44] <beatzz> so im gana edit inet1.conf and try to get this crap to start up w/o my help
[20:45] <Pig_Pen> put that in rc.local so you dont have to keep doing it
[20:45] <Perturb> just use wicd
[20:45] <beatzz> wicd wont work for some reason
[20:45] <thrice`> nooo, rc.inet1.conf is moar better
[20:45] <Perturb> beatzz, what error did you get?
[20:45] <Perturb> (with wicd)
[20:45] <beatzz> Perturb: it shows no networks in wicd.curses
[20:45] <Perturb> and you're SURE wlan0 was up when you launched it?
[20:45] <beatzz> ....
[20:45] <Perturb> (some wireless cards don't scan unless their adapter is up)
[20:46] <beatzz> well, let me try it right now
[20:46] <Perturb> i've had (rarely) wicd do that but it was because wlan0 was down and therefore the card wasn't scanning
[20:46] <beatzz> nope, no networks, acording to wicd
[20:46] <thrice`> is your network hidden?
[20:46] <Perturb> but you see some in iwlist wlan0 scanning ?
[20:46] <beatzz> negitive homeslice.
[20:46] <beatzz> yes, i see all 3 wifi networks in iwlist wlan0 scan
[20:47] <Perturb> wow, never had that problem (may want to bring it up on #wicd)
[20:47] <beatzz> + i can connect to them w/ iwconfig wlan0 essid any, so on and so forth
[20:47] <beatzz> its proly a misconfiguration in wicd
[20:47] <beatzz> proly a 1 line fixer, but who knows.
[20:47] <Perturb> i know they need to fix how it seems to say you're connecting to the /join #wicd
[20:47] <Perturb> dangit sorry
[20:48] <lotec> beatzz: lol how old are you dude
[20:48] <lotec> ?
[20:48] <macavity> lotec: 14 and a half
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[20:49] <BP{k}> macavity: lies.
[20:49] <lotec> homeslice is old school.  just woundering
[20:49] <macavity> whome?
[20:49] <merciful> beatzz: example config here: http://pastebin.com/d50d32118
[20:49] <fire|bird> lotec: old enough to be married and have a couple kids.
[20:49] <macavity> i though "homeslice" was Bronx?
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[20:50] <beatzz> lotec: 23
[20:50] <lotec> macavity: yep old school not many people use it anymore
[20:50] <lotec> i had a ssgt in the Marines that used to use it all the time
[20:51] <Perturb> beatzz, where are you?  (like geographically, on the earth.  what country?)
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[20:53] <paul424> some latin country
[20:54] <paul424> grande networks  = big networks
[20:54] <beatzz> Perturb: Texas
[20:54] <paul424> heh latin ... spanish spoken  I mean
[20:54] <beatzz> lol
[20:54] <beatzz> latin speaking, shure enough.
[20:55] <beatzz> hey merciful
[20:55] <merciful> beatzz: hey
[20:55] <beatzz> WPAOPTS[4]="-Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf"
[20:55] <beatzz> should there be a space between -c and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf"
[20:55] <beatzz> ?
[20:55] <merciful> beatzz: nope
[20:55] <thrice`> you don't need anything wpa rleated, if your network is not encrypted (I thought you said that?)
[20:55] <beatzz> because on ur paste it dosent, okay jsut checkin
[20:56] <beatzz> its not, but why not have it ready
[20:56] <beatzz> just incause they encrypt it?
[20:56] <beatzz> i mean, i encrpt it.
[20:57] <merciful> beatzz: create your own psk with wpa_passphrase
[20:58] <beatzz> eh O_o ?
[20:58] <beatzz> i'll leave it unsecured for now.
[20:58] <beatzz> i just want to see my wlan0 start at boot
[20:58] <beatzz> and connect w/o having to do dhcpcd wlan0 every time.
[20:59] <beatzz> brb gana see if editing that file fixed it.
[20:59] <merciful> try rc.inet1 wlan0_start
[21:00] <merciful> or wlan0_restart
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[21:13] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[21:14] <Perturb> </hi>
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[21:17] <lotec> http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php
[21:20] <hitest> hello andarius
[21:23] <fire|bird> heya hitest, how are you?
[21:23] <macavity> alloha andarius :-)
[21:23] <hitest> hiya fire|bird, I am well:) how are you?
[21:24] <fire|bird> hitest: I'm great, thank you.
[21:25] <andarius> salutations hitest, how goes ?
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[21:26] <frullet_> fire|bird: what was that app that provided weather information on your desktop; its on SBo and i recall you talking about it one time or another..
[21:26] <hitest> it goes well, andarius, thank you:) how are you?
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[21:27] <fire|bird> frullet_: Hmm, remember which de I was using that had it? :P I've used conky, adesklets, and then KDE plasmoids.
[21:27] <frullet_> fire|bird: adesklets, cheers :)
[21:27] <fire|bird> frullet_: you're welcome
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[21:29] <andarius> hitest: doing well. prepping to start beer consumption along with a modified chili dog :)
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[21:30] <harls> mmm...beer consumption
[21:30] <hitest> andarius: going to have some wine myself in about an hour. I need to take my 15 year old to a high school play first. then I can drink:) the wife will get my daughter later:)
[21:31] <harls> anyone try the wolaver's alta gracia coffee porter?
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[21:36] <pi31415> no beer for me tonight, i am fighting off a cold
[21:36] <agentc0re> So i'm having a lvm problem.  I've just done a fresh install of slackware64.  when it boots, it doesn't my my home volume group correctly.
[21:36] <agentc0re> so when my system boots, the link of the dev is mapping to the os mapper and not my home lv mapper.  IE:  /dev/root -> /dev/mapper/os-slackware, when it should be /dev/root/home -> /dev/mapper/root-home
[21:36] <agentc0re> Now, if i delete /dev/root and run vgmknodes, it creates the right /dev/root/home with the correct mapper.  i've recreated my initrd and rerun lilo, even deleted the init tree then recreated it with no luck.  anyone have any suggestions?
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[21:38] <fire|bird> y0 agentc0re
[21:38] <fire|bird> how goes?
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[21:40] <pi31415> agentc0re: I haven't had to fight with the dev mapper except in rare cases with removable drives
[21:40] <pi31415> ie: i would plug in a drive and /dev/sdb would fail to appear.  i would create it with mknod and then i could access the drive.
[21:41] <hackedhead> wow. KDE4 is shiny, but it's amazing how well a tiling wm has trained me to hate having to drag windows around
[21:42] <ananke>  /dev/sdb is not mapper's job
[21:42] <ananke> that would be udev
[21:42] <pi31415> oops, your are right
[21:42] <pi31415> i have never fought the mapper, only udev
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[21:43] <pi31415> s/your/you're/
[21:44] <agentc0re> yo fire|bird! :D
[21:44] <hackedhead> .. shouldn't the kernel source be in /usr/src if i have the source pkg installed?
[21:45] <agentc0re> Hrm.. ya i have no clue why it's creating the wrong mapper.
[21:45] <bobby>  Hey guys, when playing DVDs, gxine errors out saying encrypted stream....
[21:45] <ananke> hackedhead: why don't you check what files the package came with?
[21:45] <pi31415> hackedhead: less /var/adm/packages/kernel-source*
[21:45] <bobby> so does mplayer. Does this mean that in slackware encrypted dvd support has not been added or in the product the support is not present.
[21:45] <agentc0re> esp since initrd is doing it and from what i can tell it should be doing it correctly.
[21:45] <hackedhead> oh i know what's wrong.
[21:45] <hackedhead> i remounted my old /var
[21:45] <hackedhead> T_T
[21:45] <macavity> bobby: just install libdvdcss from SBo and you are golden
[21:46] <hackedhead> hmmm...
[21:46] <bobby> macavity: cool. and that's the library that does dvd decryption?
[21:46] <macavity> bobby: mplayer et al use libdvdread, which at runtime looks for libdvdcss.so and ldopen() it if it finds it
[21:46] <macavity> bobby: exactly
[21:47] <macavity> very bright of them not to make it a hard dependency
[21:47] <bobby> good deal. thanks. :)
[21:47] <macavity> bobby: i take it you are familiar with slackbuilds.org?
[21:48] <hackedhead> okay. here's something fun. i have /var on it's own partition, still full of data from my 12.2 install. I just installed slack13, mounted this old /var, and then installed some things. so /var is totally out of whack now. what's the best/easiest way to clear out /var and bring it into alignment with the current system state?
[21:48] <pi31415> rm -rf
[21:48] <macavity> hackedhead: dude.. you just hosed the intire tree of packagelogs
[21:49] <hackedhead> macavity: i'm aware =]
[21:49] <hackedhead> reinstall?
[21:49] <mishehu> ok, so it seems like kaudiocreator that comes with slackware 13.0 doesn't work for encoding (at least it's not on my machine), and it looks like the project is abandoned...  what's a good similar program to use (preferrable one with a GUI) ?
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[21:49] <macavity> hackedhead: look over the options of slackpkg
[21:50] <macavity> hackedhead: you can probably just get away with re-installing the packages sequentially
[21:50] <hackedhead> macavity: clean-system and then updgrade-all... maybe?
[21:50] <macavity> hackedhead: and install-missing too while you are at it
[21:50] <macavity> no, install-new i think it is called
[21:50] <hackedhead> though lots of things will complain about trying to remove stuff that isn't present
[21:50] <hackedhead> yeah
[21:50] <hackedhead> i full reinstall might be simpler though, hmm?
[21:50] <macavity> slackpkg is bright in that regard
[21:50] <hackedhead> and safer likely.
[21:51] <macavity> that depends on how much post install configuration you ahve done
[21:51] <hackedhead> not much
[21:51] <hackedhead> like three packages and some dicking around in KDE
[21:51] <hackedhead> the system is essentially two hours old
[21:51] <hackedhead> i'll lose the time it takes to install again
[21:51] <macavity> ok, redo the install so you get a consistant /var/log/packages/*
[21:51] <hackedhead> yeah
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[21:52] <hackedhead> so... i want to keep home safe
[21:52] <macavity> thats probably the easiest.. unless you have wicked fast internet :P
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[21:52] <hackedhead> but i can let setup remake fs'es on / and /var
[21:52] <hackedhead> (ut not /home
[21:52] <macavity> why do you have /var on a seperate partition again?
[21:52] <macavity> i only split / and /home
[21:53] <hackedhead> yeah, it was an experiment
[21:53] <hackedhead> it was potentially to protect overflow from web services
[21:53] <macavity> well.. you did learn someting from it :P
[21:53] <hackedhead> running out of /var
[21:53] <hackedhead> but. yeah
[21:53] <hackedhead> and sbopkg really eats at /vars space
[21:53] <macavity> you can mount /var/www on the seperate partition?
[21:53] <hackedhead> i could
[21:54] <hackedhead> yeah, i think i'll just save that partition away and use it for something else
[21:54] <hackedhead> i dont want to mess with the partition table until i can back /home off that drive though
[21:54] <macavity> uhm, sbopkg only eats up /tmp doesnt it?
[21:54] <hackedhead> but / is still a 25G
[21:54] <hackedhead> caches are in /var/cache
[21:55] <macavity> ah i see
[21:55] <hackedhead> source caches
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[21:55] Action: macavity adds that to rc.local too
[21:55] <hackedhead> which, when you download games via sbopkg, gets _huge_
[21:55] <macavity> i *rarely* compile the same version of the source twice
[21:55] <hackedhead> sbopkg has an otion to blow it awy also
[21:55] <hackedhead> iirc
[21:56] <hackedhead> it def does by package
[21:56] <hackedhead> i forget if it does globally
[21:56] <hackedhead> aaaaanyway
[21:56] <hackedhead> okay
[21:56] <hackedhead> new install, round 2!
[21:56] <pi31415> that's the spirit
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[21:57] <hackedhead> heh. and likely again in a few months
[21:57] <macavity> you must be hard on your installs :P
[21:57] <hackedhead> when i build a system to replace this p4 tower T_T
[21:57] <hackedhead> macavity: no, ust lots of systems
[21:57] <macavity> mine usually last untill i start tracking -current again :P
[21:57] <hackedhead> just*
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[21:58] <macavity> that is, i've been running semi-rolling for quite some time on the same box :P
[21:58] <hackedhead> heh
[21:58] <hackedhead> right now i have four systems. and i don't think i gf will stand for any more)
[21:59] <pi31415> hackedhead: get one really powerful system and use virtualization for the other 3
[21:59] <hackedhead> wow. i can't type for my life tonight.
[21:59] <hackedhead> pi31415: i'm a hardware nut, so that won't fly =P
[21:59] <pi31415> in other words, make a virtual machine when you want to tinker
[21:59] <pi31415> beware of programmers carrying screwdrivers
[21:59] <hackedhead> well, that's what i'll be doing for some tinkering once i build a new rig
[21:59] <hitest> VMs ftw
[22:00] <hackedhead> pi31415: i'm actually a BSEE who took up programming =P
[22:02] Action: hitest will be back later...
[22:02] <fire|bird> later hitest :)
[22:02] <hitest> later fire|bird:)
[22:02] <hitest> bbiab
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[22:10] <hackedhead> lmfao. i think i just blew away a windows partition.
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[22:10] <hackedhead> whoops!
[22:10] <tck9> i have a linux server with 2 nics. one has a public internet ip, the other nic is connected using a crossover cable to a mac server and these two servers are on a private 10.x IP. what's the easiest way to give the mac server access to the internet?
[22:10] <tck9> right now the mac can only communicate with the 10.x ip of the linux server.
[22:11] <macavity> hackedhead: let it RIP :P
[22:11] <hackedhead> macavity: yeah, it's getting to the point where i can play my old windows games in a VM =P
[22:11] <macavity> tck9: you need to set up NAT
[22:11] <macavity> tck9: or "masquerading" as it is called in linux lingo
[22:13] <hackedhead> i never quite understood why emacs got a whole series to itself....
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[22:14] <Pig_Pen> how does a crazy person go through the forest? they take the psycho path
[22:14] <macavity> hackedhead: that is a relic from back in the day when emacs alone was spacewise that KDE is considered to be today :P
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[22:15] <macavity> hackedhead: also, i think that really hardcore emacs users rutinely compile their own
[22:16] <hackedhead> macavity: that was going to be my guess (part 1 that is)
[22:18] <hackedhead> Pig_Pen: i had to read that three times. >_<
[22:18] <Pig_Pen> :D
[22:19] <hackedhead> =P
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[22:19] <x-ip> hi, i'm installing at a friend's home a slackware 11
[22:20] <x-ip> because it's a pentium 1 with 32 mb ram
[22:20] <Pig_Pen> old PC?
[22:20] <x-ip> i need abiword package for him
[22:20] <x-ip> yes
[22:20] <x-ip> but linuxpackages seems to be down
[22:20] <macavity> good
[22:20] <rworkman> Count your blessings.
[22:20] <macavity> LP.net sucks
[22:20] <x-ip> someone knows a repo with a tgz package from abiword ?
[22:20] <hackedhead> slackbuilds.org
[22:20] <hackedhead> build your own. =]
[22:20] <Indoctrinate> x-ip, hold on
[22:20] <ananke> good god. p1. why do people bother with such antique equipment? just today i saw a p4 box at a thrift store for $9
[22:20] <x-ip> but slackbuilds doesnt show packages from release 11 :\
[22:20] <Pig_Pen> maybe someone here has an old slack-11 abiword package
[22:20] <hackedhead> actually, that could take a while on a p1....
[22:20] <Indoctrinate> x-ip, http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/
[22:21] <rworkman> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ <-- shameless plug.
[22:21] Action: rworkman agrees with ananke though.
[22:21] <ananke> x-ip: it's because abiword has decided to use a lot of gnome libs.
[22:21] <pi31415> i remember being impressed by a description of the emacs build process
[22:21] <hackedhead> lol @ being beaten to your own repo rworkman
[22:21] <rworkman> hackedhead: :D
[22:21] <Indoctrinate> it's not a shameless plug.  he asked for a repo package, we should tell him if there is one, not recommend that he go to slackbuilds.org
[22:21] <hackedhead> Indoctrinate: true story
[22:21] <x-ip> thanks a lot ... hope it'll work
[22:21] <pi31415> something about an intentional coredump to get a more optimal executable image
[22:21] <Indoctrinate> it's simple math: he asks for something, either answer the question or tell him you don't know the answer
[22:22] <rworkman> Indoctrinate: that wasn't my point.  Those are *my* packages, so I am sometimes hesitant to recommed them to new users.
[22:22] Action: ananke imagines a channel of 300 people, and every time somebody asks a question, 280 people saying 'i don't know' at once
[22:22] <Indoctrinate> rworkman, i know but i was going to paste your link anyways
[22:22] <rworkman> That said, I don't necessarily disagree with you :)
[22:22] <x-ip> hmm at rworkman abiword doesnt exist :\
[22:22] <macavity> ananke: lol
[22:22] <andarius> most of us know where to find those :)
[22:22] <Pig_Pen> i agree with ananke, you can find second-hand PCs cheap on craigslist or thrift shops = salvation army, etc...
[22:23] <Indoctrinate> obviously that would be silly 8-)
[22:23] <Pig_Pen> caveat emptor @ craigslist though
[22:23] <Indoctrinate> more like "we" as in "those who are answering questions, not idling, doing something else, etc"
[22:23] <ananke> these days people give away p2-p3 class machines, just to get rid of those clunkers
[22:23] <pi31415> ananke: people bother with old equipment because it still works
[22:23] <hackedhead> caveat emptor most places that sell PCs these days, i feel like
[22:24] <rworkman> x-ip: what Slackware version?
[22:24] <x-ip> 11
[22:24] <ananke> pi31415: it makes very little sense to bother with such old equipment, especially considering that it _barely_ works with today's software
[22:24] <rworkman> Ick.  Nope, I didn't carry abiword that far back.
[22:24] <Pig_Pen> i like 11, it is a nice vintage distro, i would put it on this old lappy if 2.4.xx would support my wifi
[22:24] <Indoctrinate> x-ip, wow that's an old slackware version.  well there is http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/    alienBOB might have some old slackware 11 packages but i doubt he has abiword
[22:25] <pi31415> ananke: is the problem the hardware or the software?
[22:25] <rworkman> He doesn't - I just checked :)
[22:25] <toastytoast> '/j slax
[22:25] Action: x-ip watching ...
[22:25] <rworkman> toastytoast: forwarded to #fail.
[22:25] <ananke> pi31415: the problem is with people who expect today's software to run on antique hardware
[22:25] <x-ip> negative :-S
[22:25] <x-ip> well, not probllem
[22:25] <hackedhead> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/11.0/office/abiword/
[22:25] <hackedhead> it's an option, at least
[22:25] <toastytoast> i want to amke salx boot into run level 3
[22:25] <x-ip> i'll take the hd with me, install slack11 with all he needs with qemu
[22:25] <toastytoast> slax*
[22:25] <pi31415> ananke: pebcak
[22:26] <x-ip> thanks a LOT all of u for u help :)
[22:26] <Indoctrinate> rworkman, i tried compiling pidgin-facebook today and it didn't work at all
[22:26] <ananke> x-ip: seriously, recommend upgrading that machine
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[22:26] <rworkman> didn't work == didn't compile || didn't work == didn't work after compiling
[22:26] <x-ip> ananke: isnt possible, low $$$ here
[22:26] <Indoctrinate> i wouldn't recommend to anyone to use slackware 11 unless 1) it's still got patches/packages maintained (which may or may not be) and 2) they absolutely can't get what they want any other way
[22:26] <Indoctrinate> which is a rare circumstance
[22:27] <ananke> x-ip: ohh, i see. different country, you may not have much access to better hardware for cheap. like i said, around here people throw away computers 10 times better
[22:27] <hackedhead> geez, the watt/flop ratio on a p1 hsa gotta be atrociously bad
[22:27] <x-ip> :-S
[22:27] <pi31415> a person could do email with elm over slip on some downright pitiful hardware, but that hardware could not run the javascript required for webmail2.0
[22:28] <pi31415> in that case i would say the old hardware is just fine for email, if you do not require a webmail2.0 interface
[22:28] <hackedhead> javascript? a gui browser probably wouldn't fit in memory...
[22:28] <macavity> pi31415: s/slip/pigeon carrier net/ :P
[22:29] <rworkman> Indoctrinate: so which is it?
[22:29] <ananke> pi31415: e-mail as in 'plain text, no advanced features in your e-mail client' - sure.
[22:29] <x-ip> in fact, this hard is capable to do basic computing operations such us word processing, sending emails, internet relay chat ... and yes, i doubt if it could be capable to support actual js in web apps (fuc@$%ing bull2$Ushit web 2.0)
[22:29] <Indoctrinate> ananke, very true, and sad too.  i see people throw away or give away a laptop because the sound card seems to not be working (which is sometimes just windows drivers, not the hardware itself)
[22:29] <andarius> some one say pigeon networking :o http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
[22:29] <pi31415> webmail advanced?  not compared to mutt.
[22:29] <ananke> Indoctrinate: hell, i just gave away two computers last week.
[22:29] <hackedhead> i'm gonna have a p3 thinkpad T22 to give away probably sometime in the next year
[22:29] <Indoctrinate> rworkman, oh sorry, didn't know that was for me.  it's not a compile, it's a copy of files.  but it did not work.
[22:30] <Indoctrinate> ananke, and you didn't give them to me so i can assemble my slackware army?  8-)
[22:30] <ananke> pi31415: you're comparing apples and oranges. webmail to a normal MUA
[22:30] Action: Indoctrinate envisions a LAN full of slackware machines with distcc running 8-)
[22:30] <rworkman> Indoctrinate: okay, do you mean that the build script failed, or that it worked, but then the actual application wouldn't work?
[22:30] <ananke> pi31415: at least be reasonable and compare mutt/elm/pine to thunderbird/kmail/evolution
[22:31] <ananke> Indoctrinate: one of them was a p4 2ghz, 1gb ram.
[22:31] <pi31415> ananke: I bet more people use webmail than all those others combined
[22:31] <Indoctrinate> rworkman, the slackware script worked but the application did not
[22:31] <Indoctrinate> ananke, i keeel j00!! 8-)
[22:31] <rworkman> Indoctrinate: ah, in that case, you might mail the maintainer and see if he has any suggestions, but ultimately, it's out of our hands.
[22:31] <pi31415> just some perspective to go with the word normal
[22:32] <rworkman> anyhow, afk for a bit
[22:32] <Indoctrinate> rworkman, i never said it was SBo's problem 8-)
[22:32] <hackedhead> how often do people change passwords on user accounts or on 'net accounts (fb, email, etc) ?
[22:32] <Indoctrinate> i was only trying to initiate idle conversation
[22:33] <pi31415> hackedhead: probably once per quarter, or when the mood strikes
[22:33] <Indoctrinate> hackedhead, uh you go to that website and change the password
[22:33] <Indoctrinate> er sorry, didn't see the word "often"
[22:33] <hackedhead> Indoctrinate: =PPP
[22:33] <Indoctrinate> with as complex as mine are, i change them once they are compromised or i think they may have been
[22:33] <hackedhead> Indoctrinate: that's about what i do
[22:34] <hackedhead> which winds up being.. every 18moths or so, for the last few years
[22:34] <hackedhead> Indoctrinate: how complex?
[22:34] <Indoctrinate> hey at least mine aren't 1qaz!QAZ etc stupid keyboard tricks
[22:34] <x-ip> ok thanks a lot
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[22:34] <Indoctrinate> 9 character alphanumeric
[22:35] <hackedhead> do you use pwgen? or something to aid in the generation process?
[22:36] <hackedhead> is there an automated way to determine the closest/fastest mirror?
[22:36] <Indoctrinate> not really
[22:36] <Indoctrinate> there's already mkpasswd
[22:36] <pi31415> sourceforge does it
[22:37] <hackedhead> s/mirror/slackware package mirror
[22:38] <Indoctrinate> you already have the mkpasswd program on your computer
[22:38] <pi31415> hackedhead: not that i know of, but I use a mirror that is less than 100km away
[22:38] <hackedhead> Indoctrinate: interesting
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[22:38] <hackedhead> pwgen is similar, but designed to strike a balance between randomness and ease of human rememberance
[22:38] <MLanden> heya,slackers...how's everyone?
[22:39] <hackedhead> i usually adapt something out of pwgen
[22:39] <toastytoast> any one else been so bored before tyhat you try making an iso that will let you isntall slackware from source?
[22:39] <fire|bird> heya MLanden, great, thanks. you?
[22:39] <hackedhead> mkpasswd looks like the results would be hard to remember
[22:39] <Indoctrinate> and hard to crack
[22:39] <MLanden> doin' great for the evenin',fire|bird thanks
[22:39] <NaCl> Indoctrinate: definitely
[22:39] <Indoctrinate> repetition is the key to learning
[22:39] <pi31415> toastytoast: how about booting linux from source using tcc and bootstrapping slackware from that?
[22:40] <toastytoast> hmmm
[22:40] <pi31415> I never had much luck with tcc
[22:40] <pi31415> loved the concept though
[22:40] <MLanden> true,Indoctrinate....compile,compile and recompile...:D
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[22:42] <pi31415> ananke: i hear where you are coming from about ditching old boxes, especially big heavy ones, but i still have an impulse to find a use for them
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[22:45] <ananke> time to move on
[22:45] <ananke> and really, p1? that belongs in a museum
[22:46] <hackedhead> ananke: yeah, but if that's all they got. *shrug*
[22:47] <Indoctrinate> yeah a pentium-1 belongs in a museum
[22:47] <hackedhead> i gave up my last two p2s when i moved earlier this year
[22:47] <Indoctrinate> granted Patrick is still putting the pentium pro workaround for F00F (or whatever it was) as an option in his kernels
[22:47] <ananke> sure. you just have to set your expectations accordingly. running abiword on it, especially newer abiword - that's a stretch
[22:47] <Indoctrinate> (unless it's changed recently in -current)
[22:48] <Indoctrinate> hey can't openoffice open abiword documents?
[22:48] <ananke> openoffice on p1 32mb of ram? :)
[22:48] <pi31415> i have an ARM machine that is not terribly more powerful than a Pentium
[22:48] <pi31415> ananke: heh, and the likely disk and controller speeds
[22:48] <ananke> my phone has more umph than that :)
[22:48] <pi31415> 32mb RAM is not enough for ooo
[22:49] <Indoctrinate> do you think maybe there is a work-around for abiword documents like a program that can convert the files to some other format?
[22:49] <pi31415> On a Pentium I would probably use groff or tex
[22:49] <Indoctrinate> (granted one could find an old slackware version that had abiword, i think around version 9 and/or 10 maybe, and try that)
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[22:50] <ananke> Indoctrinate: i'm thinking he didn't have abiword formatted data, he simply wanted a word processor
[22:50] <Indoctrinate> hmm
[22:50] <hackedhead> ananke: come to think of it, so does my phone, now.
[22:51] <hackedhead> Indoctrinate: antiword
[22:51] <hackedhead> oh wait no, that's for MSword
[22:52] Action: pi31415 shudders at the thought of using a word processor on a phone
[22:52] <hackedhead> pi31415: not played with any android phones?
[22:52] <hackedhead> i could probably slap a doc together on my Moment if absolutely necessary. it wouldn't be too terrible.
[22:53] <MLanden> pi31415: full qwerty keypad or thumb entry?
[22:53] <hackedhead> it'd be hard with only a numpad and t9
[22:53] <pi31415> hackedhead: i can't stand to buy a phone contract
[22:53] <hackedhead> pi31415: ah
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[22:53] <pi31415> netbooks for me
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[22:53] <hackedhead> well, that works too
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[22:54] <Fenix-Dark> hi
[22:54] <hackedhead> i've gone the smartphone and ultraportable route
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[22:54] <ananke> no sane person would be editing word documents on their phone. instead, you get to view them often
[22:55] <Indoctrinate> well they could be a crackberry owner 8-)
[22:56] <MLanden> talkin' about word processors...seen wordgrinder which uses lua for manipulating doc files..very lightweight
[22:57] Action: hackedhead really wants to learn TeX
[22:58] <Fenix-Dark> I just got an intel ss4200-e nas, and i swapped out the cpu with an intel e2220, and put in some more ram too. I want to install slackware on it, and it'll be used headless for samba shares, a game server or something of the like, and possibly handbrake. for this type of device would it be worthwhile to install 64-bit slackware or 32-bit slackware?
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[22:59] <Indoctrinate> Fenix-Dark, are the game servers 32bit or 64bit?
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[22:59] <NaCl> hackedhead: it's not hard at all
[23:00] <hackedhead> NaCl: not LyX, real TeX
[23:00] <Fenix-Dark> Indoctrinate, ah good point, they're 32-bit
[23:00] <hackedhead> the preamble stuff is heady
[23:00] <pi31415> hackedhead: I've spent some time in plain postscript
[23:00] <hackedhead> pi31415: yikes.
[23:00] <pi31415> hackedhead: makes me respect the netscape developers who figured out how to render HTML as postscript
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[23:01] <NaCl> hackedhead: still not hard
[23:01] <hackedhead> the hardest thing about TeX is, it seems really easy to make docs if a template you like exists, and really hard to make a new template
[23:01] <hackedhead> to me at least
[23:01] <hackedhead> NaCl: any recommended reading?
[23:02] <NaCl> Just mess with documents.
[23:02] <NaCl> It's like a programming language
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[23:11] <MLanden> anyone messing with older pentium computers... http://kmandla.wordpress.com/ good blog on limited resources
[23:12] <Pig_Pen> sleepytime for me, laters
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[23:13] <Indoctrinate> i had some that old that i used as routers using this one distro
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[23:18] <agentc0re> http://themisse.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/if-they-had-facebook-in-star-wars/
[23:19] <agentc0re> lol!
[23:19] <MLanden> agentc0re: lol
[23:20] <velusip> that's fantastic
[23:20] <velusip> old jokes, new life on a new platform
[23:20] <agentc0re> MLanden: :D  that is just too damn funny.
[23:21] <MLanden> true,agentc0re...reading the entry with Admiral Motti....humpty dumpty had an abortion...lol
[23:22] <agentc0re> hahahah
[23:22] <Fenix-Dark> As i said before i plan on installing slackware on an intel ss4200-e, this box has no video output, so for the installation i plan on installing it to a hard drive as usual with another computer, setting up a user account, and enabling sshd, then putting that hard drive in the box and booting off it. Any other (better?) ways to install slackware on a computer that has no video output?
[23:22] <agentc0re> i like the idea of Tarkin LOL'ing.
[23:22] <macavity> Fenix-Dark: does it have a serial port?
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[23:23] <Fenix-Dark> macavity, i believe there is an internal serial port header
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[23:24] <Fenix-Dark> I could get video output from the box with an x1 video card or adapters and such, but I'd rather not spend $40+ for a one time use when it can be avoided
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[23:26] <Fenix-Dark> macavity, i could get a serial port on there. How would that help?
[23:28] <macavity> Fenix-Dark: then you can use a serial cable to access the installer
[23:28] <macavity> Fenix-Dark: wait.. you *may* have to mod the initrd of the boot media
[23:28] <macavity> Fenix-Dark: i actually dont know if it is set up like the inittab on stock slackware
[23:29] <macavity> oh, they aren't even set up out of the box
[23:29] <Fenix-Dark> ok, I haven't looked at the specifics just yet (i plan on doing all of this in 2 weeks or so)
[23:29] <macavity> get that into the initrd's inittab: s1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100
[23:30] <Fenix-Dark> what will that do?
[23:30] <macavity> that will enable a terminal login on serial port 1
[23:30] <macavity> or 0 in linux counting :P
[23:30] <Fenix-Dark> heh
[23:31] <macavity> then you can just telnet it
[23:31] <Fenix-Dark> I planned on doing ssh
[23:31] <Fenix-Dark> but either should be fine i suppose
[23:31] <macavity> naturally you will have to press "enter" when the boot media reaches kernel selection
[23:31] <Fenix-Dark> i can plug in a keyboard
[23:31] <velusip> I don't know of any linux distro with ssh enabled on install
[23:32] <macavity> you cant ssh into it untill you have it installed
[23:32] <Fenix-Dark> the plan I have is to install slackware to a hard drive with a different computer, then plop that hard drive into the headless box
[23:32] <mancha> or why you'd want to ssh encrypt a channel over a hard-wired serial connection?!?
[23:32] <macavity> thats why i figured serial might be more interesting.. then you dont have to take the disk out when you want to re-install
[23:32] <macavity> mancha++
[23:32] <velusip> but still, something attached to serial should give you something.  If not... what the heck?
[23:33] <velusip> ahaha, so arbitrary.
[23:33] <Fenix-Dark> mancha, i didn't plan on using the serial port
[23:33] <macavity> depending on how secure you want your setup to be :P
[23:33] <Fenix-Dark> trouble is that a lot of this (for now at least) is over my head
[23:33] <macavity> ok
[23:34] <macavity> but if you have no sour grapes with a solution that requires you to take the machine somewhat appart if things break
[23:34] <macavity> your choice
[23:35] <mancha> why'd you move away from setting it up on another box and migrating the drive?
[23:35] <macavity> still.. having a serial cable to a monitorless machine is nice.. especially if it develops a networking problem
[23:35] <Fenix-Dark> macavity, i wasn't sure if there was a better way to do it with a usb drive or some such
[23:35] <macavity> mancha: that was his original idea.. i just got creative with the serial cable idea
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[23:36] <Fenix-Dark> err mancha*
[23:36] <mancha> aha, creativity is the mother of invention!
[23:37] <macavity> i would go for it.. and then disable login on all other consoles, and squash root on ssh
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[23:38] <macavity> and if no service runs as root on the box, you pretty much have two ways of breaking into it: via a serial cable, or via a kernel-targeted exploit
[23:38] <macavity> the later is a very very rare occurance
[23:38] <Fenix-Dark> i'm not clever enough for the latter
[23:38] <macavity> and the former requires physical access
[23:38] <Fenix-Dark> later*
[23:39] <macavity> which in general means that all bets are off anyhow :P
[23:39] <macavity> as noone who has physical access to the box would muck about with a cable if they can just open the case and take the drive out :P
[23:39] <Fenix-Dark> physical access is not a problem, intel put a serial port header on the motherboard and there's a db9 sized punchout on the case
[23:40] <Fenix-Dark> i'm not worried about anyone else physically tampering with it
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[23:41] <macavity> LOL
[23:41] <MLanden> whoah
[23:41] <hitest> awesome
[23:41] <macavity> spetacular
[23:41] <fire|bird> haha
[23:41] <hitest> lol
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[23:42] <jeev> just a couple people left, macavity and a few others to be named later
[23:42] <Fenix-Dark> that was pretty funny
[23:42] <macavity> hi jeev :-)
[23:42] <jeev> someone massage me
[23:43] <macavity> ahh.. dooh :P
[23:43] <macavity> i read that as "someone message me" :P
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[23:43] <macavity> so i did
[23:43] <jeev> i'm dead tired, i built an i5, was cool
[23:43] <jeev> for my brother
[23:43] <Indoctrinate> i hope to build an automatic kernel building script or program for slackware some day if i get the time
[23:44] <jeev> Indoctrinate, like rewrite makefile ?
[23:44] <Indoctrinate> yeah sort of
[23:44] <macavity> Indoctrinate: .32 got a new make target: make localconfig
[23:44] <Indoctrinate> like you give it the starting config and tell it how you want it, and it monitors kernel.org daily
[23:44] <jeev> i should build .32 on my kvm machine
[23:44] <macavity> Indoctrinate: it basically lsmod's and sees what is needed, and disables the rest of the device drivers
[23:44] <Indoctrinate> macavity: really?  cool i'll have to check it out
[23:45] Action: Indoctrinate is running .32 already
[23:45] <macavity> Indoctrinate: it is explained on kernelnewbies.org
[23:45] <Fenix-Dark> macavity, bad news, neither of my 2 desktop machines have serial ports on the motherboard, so that wouldn't get me anywhere :(
[23:45] <jeev> oh, my kvm machine is offline because i rebuilt the router and forgot to take a video card
[23:45] <jeev> bah
[23:45] <macavity> Indoctrinate: i always read that for major realeases
[23:45] <macavity> Fenix-Dark: oh well.. then you just have to yank out the drive
[23:45] <Indoctrinate> macavity, ah i should do that too
[23:45] <jeev> i want a ssd for myd esktop
[23:46] <macavity> Fenix-Dark: ... or remember the slackware installer heart :P
[23:46] <macavity> *by heart
[23:46] <Fenix-Dark> macavity, i think it would be easiest to just move a hard drive back and forth between another computer
[23:47] <Fenix-Dark> i'm not rainman
[23:47] <Fenix-Dark> lol
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[23:49] <Fenix-Dark> it would be great if i could get it setup properly where it could do all the tasks i want, like automatically running handbrake when a dvd is popped in
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[23:55] <macavity> Fenix-Dark: that should be easy to handle with an udev rule methinks
[23:55] <macavity> anyhow.. i need to crash now
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