[00:00] and i think most of that support was done by pulling proprietary BIOSes appart to see how it is done [00:00] How did you guys manage that? I'm assuming you didn't get the datasheet? [00:00] croto (~dd@2001:470:1f07:744:290:4bff:fe49:6bc5) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:00] oh reverse engineering. [00:01] honestly i wish they made a specifically low-voltage display [00:01] i dont know for sure.. i only recently joined coreboot [00:01] most the time it was power-saving processor (atom) but then random video processor [00:01] and my programming skills only suffice for simpler things like the superio, register dumping, etc [00:02] croto (~dd@2001:470:1f07:744:290:4bff:fe49:6bc5) joined ##slackware. [00:02] who could have a look at that ... looks like really some kernel module is not present : http://pastebin.com/d5e567fba [00:02] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:02] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Disconnected by services [00:03] Nick change: _NaCl_ -> NaCl [00:03] for i3,i5,i7 -mtune=core3, right? [00:03] eldragon: gcc has support for that yet? [00:03] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] mine hasnt.. [00:05] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [00:05] slackboy joined ##slackware. [00:05] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:05] hmm my next stupid quesion would be where does the nvidia looks for kernel sources :P ? [00:05] oh alright, well good luck with it. I like the idea of free BIOS [00:06] hwk: do *not* play with this without either an external chip programmer, or at least a spare flash chip :P [00:06] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [00:06] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [00:06] paul424: if the package called kernel-source is installed it will find it in /usr/src/linux [00:06] paul yes u need kernel headers. not necisarily the source but source will have this [00:07] macavity: haha looks like it, although 213 supported motherboards isn't bad. [00:07] he should have the kernel headers package.. [00:07] hwk: if you look at which boards it is you get sad :-/ [00:07] hwk: only one laptop supported [00:08] hwk: mine may be next.. unless someone is faster :P [00:08] hwk: that is why i am interested in the EeePC.. it is *supposedly* rigged very similar to mine, so if we are luckey it could be only a matter of weeks after mine [00:08] macavity: yeah I see what you mean all I see on it atm are K8's. [00:09] yes.. and PII/III slot1 :-/ [00:09] macavity: well is there anyway I could help you with that? [00:09] preferably without risking making this a paperweight. [00:09] :P [00:09] hwk: http://www.coreboot.org/Superiotool [00:10] do an svn co of that [00:10] and let me pastebin a patch for you [00:10] I gather it will make some sort of backup of my BIOS? I hope you don't want it this week though, I'm currently shaped. [00:12] Yesterday I was looking at different Window Managers and some of the KDE screenshots stood out (with very little explanation of vector graphics). Very nice eye candy. Anyone using the KDE vector graphics stuff? [00:12] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:13] hwk: it wont do anything but read some registers [00:13] alright [00:13] hwk: http://pastebin.com/m7a9f22e0 [00:13] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:13] kernel-source-2.6.32.7_smp, yeah I see thats wird .... why they don;'t put the sources of the non smp version [00:13] apply that patch [00:13] hwk: just run make [00:13] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:13] hwk: then ./superiotool as root [00:14] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [00:14] I'm currently just following your instructions on your website. [00:14] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [00:15] not my instructions, not my website.. i am just a small errand boy for the real hackers [00:15] fair enough [00:15] the patch is mine though :P [00:15] how do I put the patch in? not quite sure. [00:16] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] oh, hang on.. i gave you the wrong version.. [00:16] haha alright [00:17] So just need to replace the the current ite.c with the patched one you're about to give me? [00:17] ok where I am supposed to take the package of my huge-latest kernel's sources ? don't say discount shop , please [00:17] hwk: http://pastebin.com/m4c0c20d8 [00:17] hwk: no, put that stuff in a file [00:18] hwk: lets call it fubar.patch [00:18] hwk: then cd superiotool [00:18] patch -p0 < /path/to/fubar.patch [00:18] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [00:18] and lets hope pastebin.com didnt fuck up the indenting, or the patch will fail [00:19] macavity: you looking at just specific hardware or? [00:20] BP{k}: i want to know if the EeePC also have the same SuperI/O as in mine [00:20] BP{k}: if that is so, we may get coreboot support for the EeePC "for free" [00:20] so do I need to compile superiotool first? [00:20] or patch it first? [00:20] no, not untill after the patch [00:20] alright [00:21] macavity: gotcha. :) [00:21] ok where I am supposed to take the package of my huge-latest-non-smp kernel's sources ? don't say discount shop , please [00:21] toastyToast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:21] pawnbroker. [00:22] paul424: you do not want that [00:22] oh so just go for huge-smp I have sources already , right ? [00:22] paul424: you ever ever ever only run non-smp kernels if your system flat out refuses to boot the smp kernels [00:22] yes [00:22] ...how long should the patch take? [00:22] uhh didn't knop that , ok thanks [00:23] hwk: microseconds [00:23] I guess the ident is screwed then [00:23] hwk: did you forget the < [00:23] yes, yes i did [00:23] where did it go in the command? [00:23] hwk: patch -p0 < /path/to/fubar.patch [00:24] right thanks [00:24] and you need to be in the superiotool dir.. i rigged the patch for that [00:24] patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. [00:24] Guess that means it didn't work? [00:24] fsck.. ok, pastebins doesnt work for this [00:25] pm me email adress if you trust i wont abuse it [00:25] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:25] well I haven't been on IRC much, so its just /msg "name" right? [00:26] yes [00:26] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [00:27] thanks :-) [00:28] lol [00:28] no probs. [00:28] someone just commited my patch [00:28] it wont apply i think [00:29] what does the patch actually do? [00:29] probably should've asked that before I tried to install it:P [00:29] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [00:30] did it apply cleanly? [00:30] oh well.. try make [00:31] oh, the patch just adds detection support for IT8510E/TE/TG and IT8511E/TE/TG [00:31] and adds a non-standard port on which they can be hinding.. seems Asus specific port [00:31] NewBie2010 (~Hello_Lin@41.252.3.215) joined ##slackware. [00:32] hwk_ (~hwk@CPE-124-176-255-119.lns6.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:32] woops. that waasn't ctrl+shift+c [00:32] happsn [00:33] got both my mails? [00:33] why don't you hide user's IP(s) since you're trying to inforce security procedures by kicking root irc users from the channel? [00:33] some mother f***** tried to install a torjan on my pc yesterday [00:34] NewBie2010: if you want your IP adress hidden you donate to freenode :P [00:34] MrZhi (~zhizaki@24-155-241-242.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] donate what? and what for? [00:34] hwk (~hwk@CPE-124-176-255-119.lns6.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:34] if they want my cock they are welcome to take it [00:35] i think it's like $10 and you get one of those /unafiliated/fubar hostmarks [00:35] Nick change: hwk_ -> hwk [00:35] care full with the language [00:35] I'll pass [00:35] they are not worth it [00:35] lol [00:35] cheers [00:35] then you will set your firewall up accordingly [00:35] your choice.. you dont pay to be here [00:35] yup ,,,, that is what i do [00:35] NewBie2010 (~Hello_Lin@41.252.3.215) left irc: Client Quit [00:36] lame idiot [00:36] what can I say, I thought the name suited him. [00:36] hwk: did you get the patch to apply? (the seccond one= [00:36] ) [00:36] yup [00:36] ran make? [00:37] it builds and run fine from the dir [00:37] I need to patch it? [00:37] no, you patch before you run make [00:37] what do I do with the .diff? [00:37] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:38] patch -p0 < /path/to/IT8510E.diff [00:38] alright [00:38] .diff files is generally what we call "a patch" [00:38] because it describes differences [00:39] alright [00:39] the lines that begine with + are inserted, and those that begin with - are removed [00:39] well it seemed to have worked [00:39] no errors [00:39] make [00:39] as in, just type make in the dir [00:40] make: *** [ite.o] Error 1 [00:40] O_o [00:40] yeah, I have no idea why its doing that either. [00:40] i do >_< [00:40] i am too tired [00:41] wrong patch file again? [00:41] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:41] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:41] :P [00:41] so whats the problem then? [00:42] no.. i had an other version.. and now someone screwed it all up [00:42] sorry.. i have bothered you for no reason.. you wont get that version to compile on slackware at all [00:43] thats alright [00:43] I am planning to download alienbob's lxde build for SL13. Is it ok to install them in random order or do they have to be installed is some particular order? [00:43] if you do get it working for slackware. give me a yell I'll still be happy to run it for you. [00:43] tingi_ (tingi_1@unaffiliated/tingi) joined ##slackware. [00:43] how do i block azureus ? i'm a system admin and want to thwart users from downloading music/movies. They have these random source ports. So i can't block by that [00:43] i dont.. now i updated too, and i cant copile it either [00:44] tingi_: exactly.. what you need is deep trafic analysis, which is going to kill your CPUs [00:44] tingi_: best hope you have is to find a list of all the popular trackers and block them [00:44] macavity, i've some 20 machines with me 3 Ghz , anything like cluster [00:45] tingi_: oh, and set up a transparent DNS proxy, so it wont do them any good to change DNS server to 8.8.8.8 or something [00:45] tingi_: really... the host blocking is *much* easier [00:45] tingi_: then you dont accidently kills someones WoW update (which also uses torrents) [00:45] or slackware download. ;) [00:46] hwk: no, i need to go to the mailing list and start bitching at someone for coding debian-specific [00:46] ohh [00:46] well it might be a bit of trouble [00:46] but if your desperate I can make a debian boot SD card and do it through that [00:47] not that desperate [00:47] i'd rather have it fixed upstream :P [00:47] would make more sense. yeah [00:47] if you are on tomorrow night i will probably have it cleared [00:47] alright [00:47] but it is almost 7 in the morning here.. so i should probably try to catch some sleep [00:47] I'll try to be. [00:48] its only 5PM here. [00:48] slackwarebob (~bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:48] and many thanks for trying to help out :-) [00:48] no worries. [00:48] A free BIOS sounds like a good idea to me. [00:49] then you can have a hackers movie style boot up display. [00:49] :P [00:52] and that's why we all want it. ;) [00:54] Of course! [00:54] i want it because i dont like that the ACPI table in this machine is fuxord [00:54] .. yet "Verified By Intel" [00:54] haha [00:54] dont *ever* buy a VBI machine! [00:55] that explains the slowness [00:55] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] the only good thing that has come from all this is that i have hit every imaginable bug [00:55] Konqueror AND seamonkey open at the same time. [00:56] lots of other people have benefitted from my headaches :P [00:56] macavity: finding bugs is good at least. 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[01:05] me of windows * [01:06] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:06] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:06] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:06] slackwarebob (~bobby@adsl-76-249-233-171.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] well I have to go. I'll jump on tommorrow macavity and see if I can help you then [01:06] hwk (~hwk@CPE-124-176-255-119.lns6.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Bye [01:07] thanks [01:08] later all [01:08] macavity (~macavity@212088073003.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:09] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:09] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:10] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. 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[01:51] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:52] depends [01:52] some people keep up tabs [01:54] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424730.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:54] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:56] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:59] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] did something happen in the world i'm not aware of ? [02:01] everyone's been quiet, in all channels [02:01] or is it that certain things most people do.. sleep [02:02] ZZZzzzz [02:02] you're obviously not [02:02] Action: jeev starts throwing random unknown gang signs [02:02] haha [02:03] alisonken1home (~alisonken@71.104.224.127) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:04] alisonken1home (~alisonken@71.104.224.127) joined ##slackware. [02:05] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:05] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [02:05] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [02:07] geeks [02:09] could be sleep jeev , i wouldn't know much about it. I think it is when your eyes are closed and your body restores and rests while your brain freaks out [02:13] yea, i dont know if i've ever experienced that [02:14] it'd be cool to outfit git to back up your file system [02:14] i mean like a user dir.. configs and shit [02:18] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC3134C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:19] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:19] Action: Delahunt prefers rsync [02:19] but how do you date it [02:19] cp and date it ? [02:20] date? [02:20] oh you mean like revisions and stuff [02:20] yea [02:20] Action: Delahunt thought there was an archive option to rsync [02:20] i encountered a few times as my client's files got screwed by a "virus" he got through some poor scripts [02:20] hm [02:20] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:21] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC315A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:23] http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2006-March/015145.html [02:26] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=639979 [02:27] feel embarassed going to an ubunti websit [02:27] e [02:27] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:28] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:28] why would that embarrass you? [02:29] a diamond is a diamond even if you find it in garbage and it's extremely rare [02:29] Delahunt, i think i know enough about diamonds to understand there's the best grade and crap grade and commercial grade [02:29] slackware is best grade, everything else is crap grade [02:30] don't be quick to reach that conclusion [02:30] much less nothing is perfect [02:30] Del-Monte Hunts, it's my right to hate everything but slackware [02:31] anyway, that guy wrote an excellent script [02:33] Action: Delahunt shrugs [02:34] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:34] you ever hear about that r1soft thing? [02:34] it seems to be a huge hit [02:34] example: would you think any less of me for using Mandriva if I had a reason? [02:34] yes [02:34] :P [02:34] i'm not sure if i'd feel less of you, it's not like sleeping with a girl you liked on the first day and thinking less of her. [02:34] Action: Delahunt stabs packeteer [02:34] but mandriva? [02:34] why dont you just use windows + iis ? [02:34] i mean, i use windows. but for a reason [02:35] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] first, i would use even ubuntu over windows, because it's LINUX [02:35] 8-) [02:35] lucky you, i'd rather use windows than ubunti [02:35] + i use windows for other reasons, just been really used to it for yearrrrrrrs.. games and stuff too [02:35] im addicted [02:35] hmm should we call it *buntu ? 8-) [02:35] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:36] lets call it penicular dysfunction [02:36] heh [02:36] what if for example i became a professional musician? i wouldn't have time for slackware, to be quite honest. would you be upset if i used mandriva then? [02:36] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [02:37] (what still gets me is how mandriva works right out of the box but then a week later i'm hacking something to get it to work) [02:38] thats the deal with most if not all "newbie friendly" distributions [02:39] anyways, i gotta figure out how the heck to update the BIOS on a eee pc 900a from within linux [02:41] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.28.29) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:41] the thing with me usually is this: mandriva promises all the features i want but then one is broken and i can't figure it out [02:41] or (with other things) i set it up then i'm like "krap" and i want to hack it but i can't [02:42] oh well [02:45] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [02:47] you can't boot to cd, dos and flash ? [02:47] Delahunt: as much as i dislike ubuntu, this guide might be useful: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318789 [02:48] jeev, no cd [02:48] thumbdrive [02:48] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [02:48] packeteer, ut oh, two ubunti links in 20 minutes, the world is going to end [02:48] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-219-70.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:49] :) [02:50] there's also a linux based flasher called "raincoat" [02:50] tho i think that is xbox specific [02:51] http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/BIOS_Upgrade [02:52] thanks [02:53] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] anyway, SyPy time [02:54] man i SO need to learn NFS [02:54] it's not that hard, least until it breaks [02:55] well my wife will be here soon so it will be NFS time [02:55] (she has a mac) [02:56] so do i [02:56] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:58] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:58] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) left irc: Quit: velusip [02:59] nfs is easy [02:59] the encrypted shit one is hard [03:00] i think, if i recall [03:00] vi /etc/exports && exportfs [03:02] or something like that [03:03] M1ck_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:04] na nfs is extremely easy [03:05] does one need encrypted NFS if the home wifi LAN is WPA2? [03:06] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-211.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:07] not really [03:07] i mean i can get her using MacFUSE and then therefore sshfs (since Mac OS X comes with the ssh client) but i'm wondering if that may be overkill [03:08] Delahunt, easy solution, blow up the mac [03:08] mac ftw [03:08] my wife would slit my throat [03:08] ? [03:08] im selling my WMD, weapon of minimal destruction.. i produce it every 15 minutes in the form of ass-gas [03:08] sometimes i hold it in too long though [03:08] C00re: ? [03:08] :P [03:08] mac/linux is good because u can use almost anything. nfs, smb/cifs, sshfs, even ftp [03:09] lol [03:09] yeah as for her desktop (windows) i'm going to strongly recommend dumping windows and even selling it, even if i have to BUY her an iMac to replace it [03:09] i don't feel like paying for windows 7 plus antivirus plus firewall [03:09] well, dont [03:09] well duh [03:10] i'm just saying i'll do what it takes [03:10] anyway [03:10] tomorrow im gonna have some massive farts, can't wait [03:11] morning [03:11] thats interesting [03:11] morning santa [03:11] oh noe, not C00re [03:11] everyone hide! [03:11] :P [03:11] :D [03:11] wsup? [03:11] not much [03:11] konbanwa [03:11] woke up to get to school for 10 minutes, and then take the bus home [03:12] nice short day [03:12] Axius (~fd@92.85.211.75) joined ##slackware. [03:13] if teacher is sick then everyone is happy, unless it's 8am in the morning [03:14] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-130.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:16] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-211.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:16] C00re, is the two zeros for two cores? 8-) [03:16] if it is, can i have a c0000000000000000000000re? 8-) [03:17] no it is not [03:17] but my mac has two cores [03:17] :P [03:17] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:18] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [03:18] C00re, nice 8-) [03:18] aye [03:19] Action: Delahunt still wonders why instead of atom they didn't just shrink the die on a Pentium-m and come out with a quad core model [03:21] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:22] man [03:22] when are they gonna start doing laptops with quad-core cpus [03:22] they already have [03:22] shit. [03:22] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] heh [03:23] core i or whatever it is called [03:23] There were a couple of quad core mobile core 2s adn I think the i7-720M is quad core as well. There's probably a quad core in the new mobile i5 lineup somewhere too [03:23] nice one [03:23] but still.. would be nice with a couple more cores [03:23] they chew battery tho [03:23] how 'bout sticking another cpu in there [03:24] yeah battery [03:24] how's the whole fuelcell development going anyways? [03:24] dead afaik [03:24] i want a fuelcell that runs on metane [03:24] at least for laptop batteries [03:24] then i can get the old lady off my back for farting [03:24] "sorry hun, just charging my laptop" [03:24] hahahahha [03:24] or sitting on the toilett with the laptop [03:25] Intel have SMP disabled on all but Xeons on the desktop, I doubt they would have enabled it on the mobiles [03:25] "i just have to finish this compiling!!" [03:25] ./configure --enable-shit; make all [03:25] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@207.81.93.133) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:26] make world! [03:26] rworkman, alienBOB either of you know what patrick is planning on using for --build --host --target autoconf scripts? [03:27] LOL, AMD are planning triple and quad qire mobile CPUs as well. Seriously? They can't control power consumption and heat output on desktop quads, what makes them think they can manage it in mobiles? [03:28] Delahunt: why? The same he has been using for ever I guess [03:29] nevermind i found it [03:29] check source/xap/pidgin [03:29] Check almost any SlackBuild [03:29] some autoconf want --build --host --target (rworkman said pat is aware and revamping SlackBuilds as he touches them) [03:29] just making sure my syntax is correct, thats all 8-) [03:30] Action: Delahunt is compiling ncurses [03:30] Delahunt: they don't want all of them [03:30] only if you're building on one host, for another target [03:31] MoZes, roger that, i only specified --host [03:33] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-219-169.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:44] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-130.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:45] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:48] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.79.189) joined ##slackware. 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[04:34] LSD`: ftr, my phenom II X4 955 at 3.2GHz runs at 27°C at 1.2V max and 1.05V min, is that what you call uncontrolled power consumption? [04:36] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-219-169.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:36] Action: Delahunt doesn't care [04:38] Camarade_Tux: lol, they all look reasonable at idle [04:38] Camarade_Tux: I get temps like that too in the middle of winter [04:39] its less than +10°C over ambient, and it's less than +30°C at full load [04:40] (less than +10°C over ambient at idle) (and not stock cooling though but stock cooler wasn't that much hotter, the difference was noise) [04:41] hook your CPUs up to rice cookers to use that heat in a way that does something 8-) [04:43] Camarade_Tux: What cooler are you running on that space heater now? [04:47] hmm maybe if we built computers so that the cpu cooler was actually a heat pipe that went to a cup warmer ... [04:47] That wouldcertainly make AMD CPUs useful for something, lol [04:47] Delahunt: I thought about using it for cooking but it was running far too cool, it should be good for a cup warmer though ;-) [04:47] some people prefer their coffee to stay hot ... [04:48] hwk (~hwk@CPE-124-176-255-119.lns6.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:48] well they have USB cup warmers for crying out loud ... [04:48] or maybe use the heat inversely in an a/c system for a cup cooler ... [04:50] now I could use a cup cooler. [04:50] LSD`: scythe sypang: 30 euros, bought it for the noise-level [04:50] keep the beer cold. [04:50] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left ##slackware. [04:50] I've been looking at the Xigmatek S1283 for mine, but never seem to be able to find the cash to actually buy it [04:53] Action: Camarade_Tux loves frostytech.com [04:54] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [04:54] hwk: Pelletier effect: you heat one side of a stick and it cools the other one ;-) [04:55] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:55] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-213-106.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Breech_ (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:57] WOO Apache1.3 hits EOL [04:58] Camaade_Tux: True. but a proper cup cooler, should work better [04:59] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.198.213) joined ##slackware. [05:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:00] Breech_ (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:00] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:00] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [05:02] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:02] mohaa (~nome@92.49.77.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:02] hwk: would be less fun though ;-) [05:03] Breech_ (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:04] Arirang (~arirang@c-24-21-186-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:07] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:07] mohaa (~nome@92.49.77.109) joined ##slackware. [05:09] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:09] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [05:09] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [05:11] Camarade_Tux: True... [05:11] the problem with the Pelletier effect is that it can get reversed: your coffee could heat the cpu :P [05:12] i doubt that would happen while the system is running lol [05:13] well, with a 80°C coffee/tea, it could ;-) [05:13] It probably could. [05:13] but I think that even with a 20°C coffee/tea and a 40°C cpu, you can heat the cpu with Pelletier effect [05:14] btw, I need a git mirror of an rsync repo, anyone heard of anything like that, [05:15] s/,/?/ [05:21] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [05:22] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [05:24] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [05:27] mohaa (~nome@92.49.77.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:30] Tyrael_ (pirc30@j111178.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:34] Tyrael (pirc30@j111178.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:40] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [05:42] person (~ed@92.22.194.148) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:46] Action: pupit pelletier effect.... [05:46] interesting thoughts on slack channel :) [05:48] mohaa (~nome@92.49.77.109) joined ##slackware. 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[06:57] unmount** [06:58] umount /where/the/iso/is/mounted [06:59] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:59] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.37.246) joined ##slackware. [07:00] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E2EB8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:03] what does it mean when you get a "FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k8 (/lib/modules/2.6.29.6-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko): No such device" ? [07:03] anyone knows a good *.swf player? [07:03] where i could foward them [07:03] it means you dont have an AMD PowerNow supporting processor [07:03] on win there is KMPlayer [07:04] anything similar in linux? [07:04] I have a AMD Athlon 64 3500+ ( I am trying to enable Cool'n Quiet) [07:04] Asido: firefox [07:04] Zordrak, can i forward the video with it? [07:04] which modules should be loaded for that to work? [07:04] at least i can't see how [07:05] theres kmplayer in linux too. but its a different project and dont know if it plays swf [07:05] shouldnt mplayer do? [07:05] alreadygone: is it enabled in the BIOS? [07:05] endocet (danny@adsl-99-96-204-40.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:05] vlc might [07:05] i can't see the video with mplayer. i hear sound only [07:06] the BIOS has no option for that (to enable or disable) [07:06] it's strange [07:06] then maybe the chipset just doesnt allow support for it [07:06] hmm [07:06] i get this error with mplayer: [AO OSS] audio_setup: can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [07:06] how to solve this? [07:06] motherboard does not support it? [07:07] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:07] *shrug* dont know too much about it.. only that ive only ever had motherboards where theres a powernow option in the BIOS [07:07] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:07] Action: alreadygone is Googling MSI's MS-7184 motherboard [07:08] thanks Zordrak [07:08] i have an Asus M2N-SLi with an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ on my desk and i just successfully modprobed powernow-k8 [07:09] i see [07:09] would you like to exchange motherboards? [07:09] :) [07:09] umno [07:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:10] slysyr (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:10] SIGBUS_ (~gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:11] alreadygone: bingo [07:11] alreadygone: you're shit outta luck [07:11] what? [07:11] it seems coolnquiet is bios dependant [07:12] so my chipset supports it but my BIOS does not? [07:12] Action: alreadygone is Googling ATI RS482 Chipset specs [07:12] no option in bios means its probably not supported at all.. which means your only hope is a BIOS update **IF** MSI have released one with support for it... but the literature ive been reading suggests that anyone with an MSI board is just screwed [07:13] crap [07:13] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [07:13] thats not definitive... but do with that information what you please [07:14] i know [07:14] it says that ATI chipset supports "CPU Throttling" do they mean Cool'n Quiet? [07:14] rofl [07:14] what's rofl? [07:14] that wasnt at your statement [07:14] one sec [07:15] rofl = roll on floor laughing [07:15] http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2010-01/msg07268.html [07:15] probablly ray tracing and shading will not support under the BIOS [07:16] Nick change: Intel[R]VT-x -> moran [07:17] Nick change: moran -> moron [07:17] I'll just leave Cool'nQuiet for now... don't want to update my BIOS :| [07:18] alreadygone: tbh it would probably be a waste of time [07:18] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-vjjsrzltwwazvwmy) joined ##slackware. [07:18] i doubt [07:18] me too [07:18] i doubt MSI have even bothered [07:19] if they cared theyd have put support in in the first place.. wouldnt be a feature they would add later [07:19] So, for AMD, you would recommend Asus motherboards? [07:19] Not really [07:19] which one? [07:19] the nvidia chipsets suck really really hard [07:19] nvidia is good for medical tomography. [07:20] endocet (danny@adsl-99-96-204-40.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: BitchX: may cause birth defects [07:20] i wouldnt at the moment. Until an AMD manufacturer pulls their thumb out of their arse and starts producing a solid stable board again the only thing i would buy if it mattered would be an Intel motherboard [07:20] the only shame is it means an intel processor is required [07:20] Action: alreadygone sighs [07:20] there are only two manufacturers i would trust to make a good AMD board at the moment and they are Tyan and SuperMicro [07:21] but thats because they are expensive server-class boards [07:21] Zordrak: everything is good what works [07:22] i have an old DFI board that uses AMD that works (worked) great, i need to put some new capacitors on it and it will work great again [07:23] Pig_Pen: add extra voltage, if they are 6.3v you can add 10v [07:23] it was made before amd bought ati [07:24] it has six electrolytic capacitors that need replaced, the rubber insulators in the bottom where the leads come out are swollen and are about to pop out so i quit using it, i may build another PC with it if i ever get around to putting new caps in it [07:25] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:25] Pig_Pen: Not a bad plan...... in 1989 [07:25] mid 1990s, it has a 1.4 gig Athlon on it [07:25] Pig_Pen: have you noticed that most of electronics die because of those caps? [07:25] or late 1990s [07:26] Most electronics die when they get dropped into a landfill because replacment kit of the same spec costs less than a trip to the supermarket [07:26] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:26] aryr100 (~aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:26] sometimes, the caps are the weakest link, they are just aluminum cans with foil and paper rolled up and stuffed in a can, they have oil or parafin in em too [07:27] right now, amd 780/785/790 chipsets are pretty nice [07:27] (for am2/am2+/am3) [07:29] what i would like to see is the electrolyric capacitor go obsolete, they are on par with a vaccume tube (IMO) [07:29] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:29] Opinion: When AMD and ATI were separate entites they made competitive products that were easily a match for the counterparts at Intel and NVidia and only price really mattered because whichever sidewere behind they caught up quickly. Whether because or the merger or just purely coincidentally, ever since AMD bought ATI they both went downhill. [07:30] They are simply not competing at Intel and NVidia's level anymore. [07:30] Pig_Pen: even the "solid caps" suck, I have a laptop mobo with half a dozen of them bad in it. [07:30] Their priorities changed too much. [07:30] Pig_Pen, what could you replace large caps with though? [07:30] and high capacity? [07:30] I know it's possible to make small caps ina chip [07:31] some brilliant electrical engineer will come up with something new - i hope [07:31] hahahah [07:32] Pig_Pen: I salute you :) [07:32] Pig_Pen: vacuum tube's are superior of use as a amplifier. Solid state can't even come close. [07:32] s/of/for/ [07:33] XGizzmo if cthey could make them pull less current it would be still here.. [07:33] or smaller... [07:33] oh heck yeah, i have an old ham radio that uses tubes, it only does 100 watts on a watt meter but it out talks anything solid state that does 100 watts [07:34] i can hook it up and after just a couple of minutes the tubes are warmed up and have a pretty blue glow and i can talk all over the state with it [07:34] I have a 100W marshall guitar amp. Solid state sounds 'thin' and weedy in comparison. [07:34] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.198.213) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:34] old school marshall? [07:35] or the weenie solid dtate power amped [07:35] nah not really that old - JCM2000 I think [07:35] it's an all valve amp though [07:35] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [07:36] people who have those amps, should never sold them. every year they are more and more valuable... [07:36] thanks to that I have really bad tinitus [07:38] usus12jari (~ashe@114.56.206.48) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:43] I've definitely removed ubuntu of the list of actual distributions after I've found it doesn't include mount.nfs in a default install [07:43] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Quit: changing servers [07:44] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [07:44] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [07:46] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [07:46] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:47] Camarade_Tux, also mount.cifs too if memory serves [07:47] dive: right [07:50] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. 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[08:29] IceChant (~icechant@94.159.232.80) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:29] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:30] Nick change: moron -> AmIMoron [08:30] hi GooseYArd [08:30] http://testosterona.blog.br/files/2010/02/controlevideogame-540x370.jpg [08:30] good game pad [08:31] best of luck for everyone in ##slackware [08:37] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [08:38] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [08:41] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-195.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:43] escaflown (~elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] escaflown (~elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:45] my mommy told me to never open URLs from strangers [08:47] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] :p [08:48] your mommy did not know about No Script [08:48] i know all about noscript, i use it faithfully in firefaux [08:48] man thats enough rebooting for a while [08:48] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:49] adblock plus too [08:49] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:50] nice game controller! [08:50] i use noscript, but no adblock. it is good for testing the flash plugin :) [08:50] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-116-2.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:50] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Client Quit [08:51] Does anyone have any experience of playstation2 controller USB adapters under linux? Want to know about compatibility before I buy [08:51] the advertisers and sponcers of websites have abused the privelege of putting advertising in my browser so they forced me to use adblock plus [08:52] soo, thats what those usb ports on my Playstation 2 is for [08:52] huh? [08:52] i never used em because it came with gamepads [08:52] huh+ [08:53] Im talking about using PS2 controllers for zsnes [08:53] using a usb converter for the pad [08:53] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:55] you lost me, what is zsnes? is that the ps2 emulator that runs on linux? [08:55] no its the snes emulator [08:55] nintendo? [08:55] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:55] O_o [08:56] google snes [08:56] i am really really lost now [08:56] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-215-111.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] nintendo! [08:57] you are very slow :> [08:57] not just any nintendo, but a super nintendo [08:57] turtle slow [08:58] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:59] T T T T what begins with T, Ten Tired Turtles in a TuttleTuttle Tree [08:59] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: home home... [09:00] lol [09:01] WOO [09:01] i just found a commit on the LKML SPECIFICALLY about the one i was looking at :) [09:04] Zordrak, why dont you by playstation controllers with usb cables ? [09:04] s/by/buy [09:04] PS3 ones are good [09:04] because i already have the controllers :) [09:05] oki :P [09:08] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.208.241) joined ##slackware. [09:09] http://linuxgazette.net/171/misc/doomed/0000192.jpg [09:17] bought one [09:17] woo [09:17] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] I can't get my ps3 controller to work in linux [09:17] you tell me this now..? ;) [09:18] v4nelle (~van@79.103.135.146.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:21] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:22] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:23] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [09:24] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:25] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [09:26] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [09:26] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [09:27] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:37] :) [09:38] not sure about ps2 controllers, but i can't imagine they're much different than ps1 ones. with ps1 those usb converters work like a charm [09:38] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:40] 360 controllers are VERY easy to get working [09:40] Find an old USB one..plug it in..and off you do [09:40] indeed.. this adapter specifies its ps&ps2 controller compatible [09:42] well, ps3 has a direct USB (used for charging), which some have gotten to interface directly. I couldn't get it to work personally [09:42] the ps1 and ps2 should have great success [09:43] straterra, at least people with rrod 360's can get SOME use out of their stuff ;) [09:43] heh [09:43] I bought a USB one for my netbook..it stays in my bag [09:43] It's pretty good for use with mame and such [09:44] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:45] evilwrite (~evilwrite@unaffiliated/evilwrite) joined ##slackware. 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[09:57] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:58] thrice`: when my converter gets here ill be able to report on mupen [09:58] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [09:58] mario kart ftw :) [09:58] polino4ka (19polina9@217.150.45.21) left ##slackware. [09:58] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:59] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [10:01] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [10:02] i was actually trying to play a zelda game, I think [10:02] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:02] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [10:03] macro (~macro_@216.208.131.66) joined ##slackware. [10:03] hello [10:03] I am trying to install ATI x1300 drivers for slackware 13 [10:03] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-207.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:04] first error I get is the install script cannot find binary XFree86 with which [10:04] I created a symlink of XFree86 to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg [10:04] bnow the script just gives me other incompatable errors [10:04] bad! [10:05] anyone succesfully install the same driver on slackware 13 ? [10:05] Nick_Patterson (~c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-gcnlnrgjrzuhrtky) joined ##slackware. [10:06] ergh [10:06] where is this driver from? [10:06] 1985 [10:06] marter (~weechat@ip68-7-201-184.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6.2 [10:07] camarade_tux, its from ati's own site [10:07] ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run [10:08] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders if ati dropped backward compatibility for these cards [10:08] i've never succesfully install an ATI driver on a slackware install [10:08] macro: is it slackware64? [10:08] slackware 32, but the driver is for both x86 and x86-64 [10:09] i was just checking as 64 requires multilib for ATI [10:09] ahh [10:09] O_o [10:09] or at least thats what i assume from this statement on the ATI site: [10:10] "32-Bit packages must be installed for 64-Bit Linux drivers to install or work" [10:10] would be good to know what the errors are [10:10] which ever driver X is using by default has 3d acceleration, but there are a few glitches [10:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:10] I can paste em [10:10] ATI shines with it's opensource driver, I wouldn't try to use anything but that, personally [10:11] first is this [10:11] which: no XFree86 in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin) [10:11] s/paste/pastebin/ [10:11] Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version [10:11] default:v2:i686:lib::none:2.6.29.6-smp; make sure that the version is being [10:11] correctly set by --iscurrentdistro [10:11] I've been very happy with the open source driver (but I don't use 3D) [10:12] Action: Camarade_Tux scratches his head [10:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:12] where can I get the open source driver ? [10:12] should work out-of-the-box on 13.0 [10:14] XFree86? what? [10:16] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:17] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [10:17] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:18] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [10:19] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:20] macro (~macro_@216.208.131.66) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:21] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:21] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [10:27] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [10:27] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [10:28] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:30] vesa rules! [10:30] Nick change: zecaway -> zeca_almoco [10:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:32] im never buying another video card [10:32] im totally sold on the crappy intel graphics [10:36] v4nelle (~van@79.103.135.146.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:36] the only video card i had any good luck with on linux is nvidia [10:36] its the only mfr i bother trying with any more [10:36] i cant be arsed with the hassle i get if i try to make something else work properly [10:37] i dont care if the GNU zealots moan about it being a binary blob, i just want some decent video acceleration @ a decent screen resolution [10:38] ++ [10:39] Pig_Pen: my integrated radeon 4200 does that very well [10:39] Pig_Pen: and on nvidia, nouveau works well enough for that [10:39] Is it possible to use an older boot disk to boot up to install a newer Slackware from usb? [10:39] not with 13, it dont have the xz package format support [10:39] say a boot disk with kernel 2.6.29.6 to boot up and install -current [10:39] Action: ut sort of cares about the binary blobbedness because his ati card *used to work* [10:40] well it's 13 yes [10:40] 13 was the big change in package format, the older stuff cant unpack the packages of 13 [10:40] i have a boot disk with 13 stable and am curious if the kernel (/dev/hda usage since now it is /dev/sda) will work. [10:41] to install from usb slackware-current [10:41] 13 should be able to handle -current packages as far as unpacking them, if you want to use 13's installer to do a clean -current install [10:42] the kernel will work, but 13 switched to libata which is why it's sdX rahter than hdX now [10:43] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:43] i understand that. so the Slackware setup program from that disk should be okay then ? [10:43] I don't think there have been changes in the install system since 13's release so it just doesn't matter [10:43] thanks for the help [10:43] yes, that was my curiousity [10:43] i guess i will have have to do a little bit with lilo [10:44] mrpwnage: no reason fou should [10:44] *you [10:44] default jkernel is a symlink [10:44] well the Slackware will be looking for /dev/sda and lilo will have /dev/hda [10:45] hm praps [10:45] then at the boot prompt "linux root=/dev/sda1" will work [10:45] yes [10:45] then you can fix lilo.conf [10:45] alright thanks [10:46] s/linux/hugesmp.s/ ? [10:46] i understand that [10:46] whatever the label is in boot prompt [10:46] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:47] yes [10:47] mrpwnage: tbh id just boot from the USB if possible [10:47] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] not possible [10:47] k [10:48] aryr100 (~aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:48] unless i reformat it to look like a floppy usb [10:48] and i have like 10 distros on it so don't really want to. :D [10:48] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829] [10:48] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:49] you could always install a base 13 and updrade for the same result if the installer gives you any shit [10:50] hmmm, true that sdX vs. hdX could be annoying [10:50] well, that was my original complication. though i didn't read about the changelog about libsata so it threw me a curveball. [10:50] it still the same consequence [10:51] after an update on the machine the kernel paniced because it was looking for /dev/sda ^^ [10:51] just install /a /ap and /n from 13 and check out the readme for upgrading to current, then you can install the rest for a complete -current, (all the packages especially /d) [10:52] euklides_ (~chatzilla@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] okay i'll look into that thanks [10:52] Breech_1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [10:52] maybe /l too [10:52] Breech_ (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:53] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:54] definitely l/ too [10:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. 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[12:41] [lavf] Audio stream found, -aid 0 [12:41] ========================================================================== [12:41] Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3 [12:41] AUDIO: 22050 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 32.0 kbit/4.54% (ratio: 4000->88200) [12:41] Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3) [12:41] ========================================================================== [12:42] [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [12:42] don't post in channel [12:42] AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) [12:42] Video: no video [12:42] Starting playback... [12:42] ups, sorry for flood :) [12:42] you was looking for this? [12:42] sorry for that :) [12:42] wheres slackboy when you need him! [12:42] yeah, i just wanted to know if mplayer came up at all [12:42] oh hi .. you can learn how to use a bloody pastebin? [12:43] y, i will next time :) [12:43] Asido: are you daft? wtf... [12:43] can't believe it went as far as it did without a kick [12:44] can't believe it either [12:44] slackboy: wake up! [12:44] he isn't op'd. [12:44] adaptr, i thought you knew better than to ask a bot to wake up [12:45] Action: fhobia kicks Asido [12:45] glad i could help [12:45] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.37.246) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:45] can't you hack him with your l33t skills jeev ? [12:46] gbti (~no@mail.daiby.com.br) left irc: Quit: www.seashepherd.org [12:46] yes, i will take care of him. [12:46] jeev: lol [12:46] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.37.246) joined ##slackware. [12:46] "take care of him" means many things. [12:47] lol [12:47] none of which jeevis capable of doing ANYWAY [12:47] o_o [12:47] :) [12:47] har har ardya [12:47] *kisses* [12:48] you know i was damn well a few years back.. [12:48] lol, poor guy probably feels like a pariah by now [12:48] damn good at taking care of anyone [12:48] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.208.241) joined ##slackware. [12:49] it means jeev will start hitting on him [12:49] keep your sexual favor talk to yourself. [12:49] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-192-162.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-166-102.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:52] thrice`, just make my damn egg mcmuffin already [12:53] lol [12:53] I think the name "jeev" might have built into its meaning "a desire to please and to service" [12:53] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) left irc: Quit: velusip [12:54] http://www.searchenginehistory.com/images/ask-jeeves.gif [12:54] Hahah [12:55] gay [12:55] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:56] you're lucky http://www.hells-angels-rochester.com/images/pigpen.jpg doesn't pull up right now but the cache is one ugly dood [12:56] or Pig_Pen and her sister. http://www.jonco48.com/blog/pig_20pen_20pal.jpg [12:57] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-166-102.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:57] at least i am loved :D [12:58] and i'm loved by the many people who continue to use me to search. [12:59] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] and all the other search engines are kicking your ass everyday [13:01] it'sok, i made 600 million dollars in ten years [13:01] sure, but counterfeiting is illegal [13:01] as is fundraising for al-qaeda [13:02] sdvdsdvds (~kali_mail@ip-95-222-229-223.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [13:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:03] hi [13:03] anyone there ? [13:03] jeev is [13:03] ardya, then best stop the US government from giving al qaeda money.. and the countless americans and other nations that benefit from "insurgency" [13:03] vasuvi (~vasuvi@pool-71-112-197-172.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] sdvdsdvds, how could i help you [13:04] jeev: sounds like a problem I can't possibly care about, not being an american and all [13:04] ardya, im just a citizen and i care about people living? 0_o, i guess it's hard to come by for most people [13:05] i've got a question about the new package of mpg123 (slackware current) [13:05] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:05] ask it already [13:05] sdvdsdvds, fortunately ardya is the one handling that package. [13:06] mpg123 ? i thought slack used mpg321 ? [13:06] no , its been replaced [13:06] used to * [13:06] easy as do re mi [13:06] a b c [13:07] however , ldd shows that its linked to libltdl.so.7 [13:07] do re mi do fi la si fa, ardya like this? [13:07] mugwort13 (~chatzilla@pool-70-22-86-173.balt.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] but ive got only libltdl.so.3 [13:08] guax: no, Jackson Five, circa 1972-ish [13:08] =P [13:08] Hi all, quick opinion/experience based question ... is there any real advantage to running 64bit on a server as opposed to 32bit? (services used will be samba,apache2,mysql, php,rdiff-backup,etc.) [13:08] sdvdsdvds: are you trying to use a -current pkg on a different ver of slackware? [13:09] mugwort13: how much ram? [13:09] mugwort13: how much ram? [13:09] =) [13:09] mine isn't linked to any version of libltdl [13:09] 2G ram and eventually 4G [13:09] ardya: no , its all current [13:10] sdvdsdvds: i get paid for private consukltations, please keep the discussion in channel so everyone can possibly help [13:10] go for 64bit now unless you want to reinstall slackware when you upgrade the system (it's not a hard requirement but will be definitely better) [13:10] sry [13:10] sdvdsdvds, mine isn't linked to any version of libltdl [13:10] so that's weird [13:10] how long ago -current? [13:10] julm (~julm@195.88.84.51) joined ##slackware. [13:10] it got rebuilt just the other day (yesterday?) [13:10] Camarade_Tux: thanks [13:11] thrice`, then maybe not in mine yet [13:11] nvision (~nvision@g225060035.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [13:11] chuck56 (~chuck56@unaffiliated/chuck56) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:12] we are talking about version 1.10.0 , arent we [13:12] sdvdsdvds: no idea about -current, but you do understand that by using it, things can break, abnd you're largely expected to know how to fix most things. in any event, make sure your whole system is up to date first, maybe you've found a bug [13:12] chuck56 (~chuck56@206.81.65.24) joined ##slackware. [13:12] mugwort13 (chatzilla@pool-70-22-86-173.balt.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:13] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:13] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:13] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:13] sdvdsdvds, mpg321 version 0.2.10 [13:13] since mpg321 has a symlink named mpg123 why not do: ln -s /usr/bin/mpg123 /usr/bin/mpg231 [13:13] ardya : do you thin i should report it to slackware.com ? [13:13] Pig_Pen, ? [13:14] let me fix that [13:14] ln -s /usr/bin/mpg123 /usr/bin/mpg321 [13:14] sdvdsdvds, mpg321 version 0.2.10 [13:14] sdvdsdvds, so I would try some other mirrors [13:15] Pig_Pen, there is already a symlink [13:15] dive : no mpg123 1.10.0 , confsing ,i know [13:15] where did you get mpg123 from? [13:15] Nick change: AmIMoron -> Caprica [13:15] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/slackware/ap/mpg123-1.10.0-i486-2.txz [13:16] hmm ok [13:16] Pig_Pen : exactly [13:16] i wonder why the change? maybe mpg321 was sort of abandoned and no development was happening on it anymore? [13:17] is anyone here> [13:17] its linked to libltdl.so.7 [13:17] were all robots [13:17] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.208.241) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:17] sdvdsdvds, right installed nd yes it is [13:17] there is probablly a bot here. [13:18] libltdl must be in the aaa_* packages [13:18] only one? [13:18] given the network is a bot heh [13:18] sdvdsdvds, no idea but mpg123 does work [13:19] dive : do you have libltdl.so.7 ? [13:19] yes [13:20] /usr/lib64/libltdl.so.7 [13:20] which explains why it works then [13:20] and you have .3? [13:20] yes [13:20] /var/log/packages/libtool-2.2.6b-x86_64-1:usr/lib64/libltdl.so.7.2.1 [13:20] what libtool do you have ? [13:23] sdvdsdvds, ^ [13:23] :/ [13:23] ok , typical layer 8 error [13:23] sdvdsdvds, ls /var/log/packages/libtool* [13:24] libtool wasnt even instlalled [13:24] I'm in the office today and another person has some respiratory sickness that sounds horrible. Coughing and hacking all kinds of crap up, but continues to smoke cigarettes.... [13:24] I'll be pissed if the person passes it on to me [13:24] antiwire, that was me you unfeeling clod! [13:24] thank you, im to stupid sometimes [13:25] lol [13:25] I need to do a clean-system. Got so much crap on my -current box. [13:25] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC3134C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:25] I don't understand why he doesn't just work from home instead of bringing the sickness into the office. [13:26] I would [13:26] not pig flu by any chance? [13:26] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-vjjsrzltwwazvwmy) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:26] I think it is just a cold compounded with cigarette smoking. [13:26] heh [13:26] Action: Camarade_Tux hands dive a sweeper [13:27] Camarade_Tux, did you get electricity again [13:27] nvision (~nvision@g225060035.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:27] back [13:28] jeev: next week ;-) [13:28] sdvdsdvds (kali_mail@ip-95-222-229-223.unitymediagroup.de) left ##slackware. [13:28] ok [13:28] you should've waited for the prices to come down then [13:28] if you still haven't used t hat system you bought [13:29] and the worst thing is that right after I had the appointment with the electricity company, I found out that this month they are rolling new equipment which would let them do everything remotely in less than a day but for this, I have to wait 10 days >< [13:29] jeev: I've been using it ;-) [13:29] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dbgwxidysiukotbr) joined ##slackware. [13:29] oh [13:30] Camarade_Tux, as long as you can continue listening to Beyonce [13:30] haha [13:30] anyway: ram has gotten more expensive, mobo same, psu same, only cpu got less expensive [13:30] I'm sure that was his main consideration [13:31] jeev: I saw you scp her discrography from my system -_- [13:31] omg [13:31] comrad, dont be a playa hata, i hit it. 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[13:48] gsb is considered the better choice due to dropline changing base library files (only for x686 optimizations that aren't really needd) [13:49] antiwire: hm just wondering is there any talk about slackware supporting gnome upon release of gnome 3.0 [13:49] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [13:50] i'd just guess a gnome distro does gnome better than slackware, but *meh* [13:50] Gnome was removed from Slackware a long time ago [13:50] hopefull it won't come back [13:50] yeah with version 11.2 right [13:50] There is no activity in -current that suggests Gnome is coming back. [13:50] there wasn't an 11.2, iirc :> [13:50] 10.2 [13:51] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC3134C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:51] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E2EB8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:51] on that note, though, pat explains why gnome was dropped in 10.2 - see http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-10.2/ChangeLog.txt down around Mar26 entry [13:52] alisonken1home: even GSB replaces standard slackware packages. [13:52] hm well alright ty ill give gsb a try if anythign remove it [13:52] thrice`: as far as I know there is no 11.1/2 - it went from 11.0 to 12.0 [13:52] BP{k}: ok - been a while since I checked, I only followed the dropline issue since I had some machines using it [13:53] at a previous job [13:53] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [13:53] macius: http://slackwiki.org/GNOME <-- the gnome announcement ;-) [13:54] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E2EB8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] macius, unless you are really determined to use Gnome I would suggest getting used to KDE or XFCE. You will tend to find better support here for those. [13:54] ftp://ftp.slackware.org.uk/gsb/gsb-2.26_slackware-13.0/SLACKWARE-13.0_REPLACED_PACKAGES.TXT [13:54] alright ty BP{k} ill give that a read :) [13:54] yeah i am curretly using kde just certain application like monodevelope seem to need gnome [13:54] dtanner: http://gnomeslackbuild.org/software/ has a dead-link to http://svn.gnomeslackbuild.org/viewvc/viewvc.cgi/trunk/REPLACED_PACKAGES.TXT?revision=HEAD&root=gsb [13:55] although im not in the mood of replacing slackpackages so im really uncatin what ill do [13:55] izap (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:55] macius, perhaps it only needs certain gnome packages rather than the whole system? [13:55] how do can i mount my usb stick? [13:55] there are some on slackbuilds.org [13:55] macius: which ones btw? [13:56] marcius; I joined this convo a bit late, what are you trying to install? [13:56] izap: using mount ? [13:56] BP{k}: interesting, at least they only have 5 packages labeled REQUIRED [13:56] izap, which DE/WM? [13:56] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.27) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [13:57] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) left irc: Quit: velusip [13:57] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:57] john_dee (~id@95-29-8-29.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [13:58] Camarade_Tux: well basically just mono for C# programming, i really like that ide so yeah, but w/e i guesss ill just stick with kde [13:59] dive: fluxbox [13:59] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/mono/ [13:59] macius: I meant: what are the deps? [13:59] macius: you mean like ^^^ that mono? [13:59] yes ;-) [14:00] izap, as Camarade_Tux said the mount command, or run something like Thunar file browser [14:00] or pcmanfm (not included in slackware but very light) [14:00] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.5) joined ##slackware. [14:01] alisonken1home: Yes, it's not as bad as it once used to be. This is the ammount dropline gnome replaces: http://bit.ly/9uWzMl [14:01] izap (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:05] BP{k}: at least they provide a more plausible reason this time (gnome 2.20 requires newer packages) rather than the lame last time (recompiled as x686 for improved performance) :) [14:06] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:07] is there really a noticeable difference compiling things for i686 rather than i486? [14:08] as long as you use -mtune=686, no [14:09] and even when you're not, not really [14:11] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:13] BP{k}: haha ty i wasent able to find it with slackbuild prior well you sloved my major problem :) [14:15] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:15] this is cool "-mtune=native and -march=native will produce code optimized for the host architecture as detected using the cpuid instruction." [14:16] -march implies -mtune [14:17] Camarade_Tux: i pulled this from, http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.2/changes.html [14:17] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:17] where -mtune isnt explicitly set [14:18] Okay, I have 5 harddrives that I don tknow what to do with... [14:18] they're pretty old, ~200GB per drive [14:18] SATA [14:18] What do you guys recommend? [14:18] hammer. drill. [14:18] next! [14:18] ardya++ [14:18] i was going to say the same. [14:18] "Moreover, specifying -march=cpu-type implies -mtune=cpu-type." [14:18] sigh [14:18] you might be right [14:18] I'm too much of a packrat [14:18] (from gcc-4.4's manpage) [14:19] redtricycle: I'll take them ;-) [14:19] Hammer is best, hit enough so it sounds like a salt and pepper shaker on in the inside (assuming you don't have metal platters) [14:19] i have like five open bays in my desktop [14:19] but the power consumption doesnt seem to make it worth it [14:19] Camarade_Tux: interesting. So -mtune isn't really needed to be specified so long as you use -march. [14:19] redtricycle: construct some BYOPC machines to sell, and use the drives in them :) [14:20] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:21] agentc0re: as the doc says: march implies mtune ;-) [14:21] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [14:21] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Client Quit [14:21] Camarade_Tux: i know.. i was redundant.. :P [14:22] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] ;-) [14:23] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [14:24] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.33.148) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:29] where does the adobe flash plugin go? [14:29] the slackbuild put it in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins [14:29] i made a symlink in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins [14:30] But that didnt do it... [14:30] what is your question, actually? [14:30] Where's the correct place to put the flash plugin? [14:30] as the slackbuild says/does, /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins [14:31] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dbgwxidysiukotbr) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [14:32] All of these sites are saying I need flash10, which the slackbuild is. is r42 too old? [14:32] no [14:32] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:32] It should be fine. [14:33] redtricycle, can you run "file" on the library you installed to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ ? [14:33] adobe flash plugin from sbo works fine for me on both x86 and x86_64 [14:33] if it works on hulu, it should work normally. just remember to restart firefox after install [14:33] /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped [14:33] anyone know if it's possible to remove first and last line of something from stdin? (through a pipe) [14:34] Hulu requires Flash Player 10.0.22 or higher. [14:34] redtricycle, hm, that's good. restart firefox after installing [14:34] So, the slackbuild is v10.0 [14:34] redtricycle: I'm watching hulu on my machines now, so I know it works [14:34] trippy [14:34] let me open google-chrome [14:34] "10.0_r42" [14:34] don't let the 10.0 fool you, it actually means 10.0 [14:35] When I am trying to play a music file on MPlayer I am getting the following message, "DVB card number must be between 1 and 4" [14:35] What does that mean? [14:35] okay, same error...one sec ,i'll get the latest from adobe to see [14:35] ... [14:35] redtricycle, that *is* the latest [14:36] redtricycle: what's the error again? [14:36] All the flash areas tell me to go get the latest version [14:36] you're certain all FF windows got closed ? [14:36] I went file->quit [14:36] also, check if you need the flhf fix for adobe [14:36] so yes [14:36] on x86_64 [14:37] macius (~macius@141.117.180.17) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:37] maybe you have some old version of flash laying around it is picking up, have you checked ~/.mozilla/plugins for an old flash plugin file? [14:37] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [14:38] ...okay, it works now [14:38] And I feel stupid [14:38] about why [14:38] as you should [14:39] tell us so we can insult you? [14:39] stupidity worth noobfarming? [14:39] -_- [14:39] yes, quite embarassed [14:39] zecafig (zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left ##slackware. [14:39] I pulled ouot this desktop and i'm setting it up [14:39] all my other computers were x86_64, and I use dropbox to grab my root .profile [14:39] so it sets the ARCH to x86_64 [14:40] so the slackbuild uses the ARCH to install the x86_64 flash [14:40] instead of the 32bit [14:40] oh, I'm a bit disappointed, you could have done something worse =/ [14:40] =P [14:40] so I installed the x86_64 version... [14:40] *man* this desktop is old [14:40] it didnt even register in my head that it was 32bit [14:41] haha, thanks for the patience guys [14:41] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: You make your own luck in life. [14:41] mandatory complain about firefox: firefox should have complained [14:41] heh, sure :> [14:41] I saw lib64 and just assumed [14:42] I'm trying to play Wolfenstein. After troubleshooting a few odd erros, I've got it all working except sound and I'm fairly stumped. Alsa is configured properly and sound works for everything else I run. the game puts out: /dev/dsp: Input/output error Could not mmap /dev/dsp [14:43] I'd ask there but I doubt they have shit for a clue about linux issues like this [14:43] Ah...I took the day off from work [14:43] and I'm wasting it [14:43] -_- [14:44] and i have exhausted their tech support forums (which lacks search function btw UGH...lol) [14:44] redtricycle: wasn't that the point? =) [14:44] =P [14:44] redtricycle: go get a 12 pack of cold beer and drink it [14:44] Euthanatos: cant specify a sound device? [14:45] Euthanatos: wild guess: permission problem? file does not exist? [14:45] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Permissions was my first thought but my user account is properly set...unless something funky is up i can't see why it would have problems with permissions [14:45] and no, /dev/dsp does not exist [14:46] Euthanatos: sound card, or onboard? Is your system really new? [14:46] well thats why [14:46] i dont have a /dev/dsp either, (i never use it anyway) [14:46] modrobe the oss compat modules [14:46] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:46] some oss requirement? aoss wolfet perhaps? [14:46] if i update my kernel, what about my the configurations of all drivers and so on? [14:46] Asido: what do you call "configurations"? [14:47] what about them? [14:47] Asido: and how do you plan to update? [14:47] modprobe snd-pcm-oss [14:47] well, i am quite new here and just thinking. there is a way, isn't it? :P [14:47] that gave me a /dev/dsp [14:48] Asido: do you mean your modprobe blacklists? When you compile your kernel, you have options to enable/disable [14:48] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC3134C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:49] hmm it didn't for me Pig_Pen [14:49] what is the most common place to put external source builds ? [14:49] I know I can build them as any user, anywhere, but is /opt or something used often ? [14:49] Asido: I was asking because there is no inherent configuration [14:49] /usr/local [14:50] adaptr: I put my stuff in /srv/packages...I think sbopkg puts it in var [14:50] adaptr: or use slackbuilds and build nice slackware packages [14:50] oh I will certainly attempt one [14:50] redtricycle: no, it installs in /usr [14:50] Camarade_Tux: the packages? [14:50] thanks [14:50] I moved my default location, so I cant go check it [14:50] I'm assuming adaptr meant $OUTPUT [14:50] so I might be mistaken [14:50] redtricycle: yes [14:51] redtricycle: both source, for a local repository, and output, yes [14:51] M1ck_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:51] I'll build it manually first, to get it working, then try my hand at a slackbuild [14:52] then you should avoid installing it, using slackbuilds will keep your system clean [14:52] if I install it in /opt, or /usr/local, why would it pollute my system ? [14:53] adaptr: I think Camarade_Tux means if you "make install" without using installpkg [14:53] If you dont have a package, you can't track the files that were created [14:53] to remove later [14:53] Camarade_Tux, ty [14:53] it's harder to remove and if you have two versions of the same thing, it's going to be a pita [14:53] adaptr: means you cant rely on the pkg tools to upgrade/remove [14:53] redtricycle: ah, well, if that's what the package wants, I'll do it manually :) [14:53] btw, is there a way to restart or something the sound without restarting the system? [14:53] my sound suck [14:53] Asido: restart alsa ? [14:53] lets try [14:54] restart command not found [14:54] or i misunderstood you? :P [14:54] ^^ [14:54] Asido: I was paraphrasing [14:54] if thats so, sorry for being a newbie :P [14:55] /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa restart [14:55] try "/etc/rc.d/rc.alsa restart" [14:55] thats what i thought. ty, dunix [14:57] doesn't help [14:57] M1ck_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:57] Asido: also, if you're using an X sound manager on top of that, restart that as well [14:57] ha...found it...on ubuntu forum of all places LOL... [14:58] pulseaudio or whatever [14:58] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:58] test [14:58] well, anyway. i'd better restart my os :P [14:59] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:05] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) joined ##slackware. [15:06] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-87-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:15] Hi i just noticed when i log in as root i get these 2 error messages http://pastebin.com/m6905478c [15:15] i think it might be an update that caused it [15:16] anyone know what it means [15:17] i get the same error anytime i use switch user [15:19] grep -ir DIALUPS_CHECK_ENAB /etc [15:19] sounds like something in logon.defs [15:19] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:20] oobe: are you running Gnome on Slackware? [15:20] no but google appears to show this for dropline [15:21] i am using some gtk libs and apps from dropline [15:21] but no gnome install [15:21] i have abiword and gedit and the necessary libs [15:21] all bets are off [15:22] oobe: you are running Slackware-current? [15:22] yea [15:23] apparently replacing /etc/login.defs with /etc/login.defs.new might fix it according to this thread [15:23] Of course. You did not check the differences? [15:23] no when i update i keep all my configs and replace them later as needed [15:24] and it didnt occur to you that you might need to in this instance? [15:24] even the ones you never touched and which may break by using the old ones ? [15:24] or, 90% of them [15:25] yea replacing /etc/login.defs worked [15:25] when i do an update it doesnt prompt me for each one [15:26] i spose i could tell it to prompt me [15:26] No, it is for the administrator to consider the .new files [15:26] slackpkg upgrade-all will ask about new config files and what you want to do with them [15:26] if i need to use some gnome specific apps i would just use an extra disk partition and dual boot slackware with debian/gnome, i would not bork up a clean slackware install with gnome stuff [15:26] better even alisonken1home run "slackpkg new-config" [15:27] ok thanks [15:27] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:27] lf4 (~KJR@c-174-52-233-217.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: moving the system [15:27] this is the option i choose when upgrading (K)eep the old files and consider .new files later [15:27] it hasnt harmed me until now [15:29] most of the configs want to overwrite system specific settings i would prefer to keep [15:29] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [15:29] nowadays harddrives are plenty big so the option to setup an extra disk partition for dual booting should not be a problem [15:29] the only problem I've had is some of my systems don't work with drives >1T :) [15:30] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:30] oobe: that is not a good way to keep a stable, functional Slackware system if you choose to ignore the .new files.... [15:31] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:31] yes im understanding that now i guess i knew that before too but i figure i would fix things as they mess up [15:31] i decided to backup /etc and am going through the motion of upgrading configs [15:34] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:35] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. 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[15:47] i just did it interactive for each config [15:47] Alan_Hicks: sorry - just bombed you in ##slackware-offtopic and it kicked you [15:47] if i had of allowed it to overwrite all my server and net connection would no longer work nor would my keyboard preferences or my remote control and mplayer also would work as expected [15:48] (P)rompt K, O, R selection for every single file [15:48] but im glad i updated some configs [15:49] I usually select "Prompt" so I know which ones are getting overwritten [15:49] yea well some of the things it wants to overwrite is crazy [15:49] like /etc/rc.d/* /etc/httpd/* [15:50] since they are part of the packages getting upgraded, it's not crazy [15:50] that's why the 'prompt' option [15:50] oobe: hwo is that crazy? did you personalize them? [15:50] i know what you mean but the default configs are for unconfigured systems [15:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:50] ardya, yea [15:50] my system would not function with default everything [15:50] oobe: why are uyou using -current anyway, I'm curious [15:50] especially since some versions have config changes that are a little more than just cosmetic [15:50] yea [15:50] im using current [15:51] reread [15:51] im not critisizing anyone btw [15:51] if you're on a production system, -current is not recommended because it may be unstable. hence the -current tag [15:51] im just saying if i were to select overwrite all my system would no longer work [15:52] oobe: why are you using -currnet, I'm curious [15:52] oobe wan kenobe [15:52] i like having the newest kde and other apps [15:52] for a server? [15:52] *blink* [15:52] server is a hobby [15:53] its still my home pc [15:53] *shrug* [15:53] good luck :) [15:53] you say that like im struggling to make it work [15:53] it does everything i want [15:56] including producing error msgs you didnt understand [15:56] heh [15:56] thats a feature [15:56] indeed! [15:56] at least it produces something other than "Call tech support" :) [15:57] or a bsod with some vague hex code [15:58] well i asked in this channel and found the answer else where all i got here was to dual boot if i want to use gtk apps and too overwrite my configs blindly [15:58] are you bitching now ? [15:58] because, feel free to stop [15:58] that will be five thousand dollars, please insert your credit card in to the floppy drive [15:58] hmmm - I don't recall saying to blindly overwrite config files here [15:59] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:59] I always do (P) and look/diff each one at a time [15:59] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] and I run abiword nicely on here [15:59] with a few gnome libs it needs [16:00] No one said to blindly overwrite config files. It's not just config files... some of the scripts in /etc/rc.d are upgraded with .new versions [16:00] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:00] I would never suggest dual booting just to run Abiword [16:00] and the only one to worry about is /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf - not rc.inet1 (unless you've modified that as well) [16:01] In my case, the only one I modified was rc.M to include a local rc.dhvpn script I wrote for systems that need a vpn tunnel to the office [16:02] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.37.246) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:02] and since I used wicd, I don't even have to use that one anymore since wicd handles wired as well as wireless, and it allows configuring running extra helper scripts [16:03] Nick change: Caprica -> raytrcemaster [16:06] freack (~freack@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [16:07] lol neither would dive [16:09] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a::53) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:10] i would [16:11] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:11] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E2EB8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:11] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-61-38.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:13] so if i wanted to open a document using abiword i should close all my existing work and reboot [16:13] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:13] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:13] sounds like a plan [16:13] after updating libs, it's usually a good idea to reboot anyway [16:14] rworkman's Abiword and deps packages are good, also on slackbuilds.org too I think [16:15] i have tried slackbuilds and gso both worked fine [16:16] i had to make a few symlinks iirc [16:16] gso or gsb? [16:16] gsb sorry [16:17] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:17] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Gigantic Soft Boobs? [16:17] thats it how did you know [16:18] Gnome Sorta Blows [16:18] gnome slack build [16:18] Great Santa Bawls [16:19] hahah very festive balls [16:19] s/Ginormous/Great/ [16:19] Gimme Some Breakage [16:19] alisonken1home: wins! [16:19] Go Scavenge Beer! [16:20] Action: alienBOB thinks GSB is high-quality fwiw [16:20] Since I gave up on gnome, I don't really have a say on it [16:21] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:21] i am too lazy to build all that gnome stuff, i just dual boot with debian/gnome and let that army of debian muppets do the work [16:21] Axius (~ghi@109.97.43.179) joined ##slackware. [16:21] alienBOB: always gotta ruin our antics dont'cha? :P [16:21] most of my gnome experience comes from trying to sort boxes with ubuntu installed on them so I can't really comment [16:22] agentc0re: it was just ridiculous gibberish [16:22] I was just participating in the fun of thinking of what GSB stood for :) I've used GSB once a while ago and it's a great and well organized project. [16:22] Axius (~ghi@109.97.43.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:23] Gotta Scream BAH! [16:25] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:25] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:25] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:26] ntfs-3g is terrible. [16:27] Nothing to do with anything, but what's the situation with ATI, Linux, and hardware acceleration? [16:27] hiptobecubic: It's useful. [16:28] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:28] Nick_Patterson, it's heavier than firefox...somehow [16:28] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [16:28] In case you use windows on top of your slackness... http://urlg.in/1zc [16:28] I've noticed that only when writing a large file to it. (CPU usage goes way up) [16:29] it sucks on my ati at the office - no 3d acceleration works [16:29] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:29] ati = if you already have it try to make the best of it, but if you are planning on buying new hardware avoid ati and go with nvidia [16:30] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:30] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.68.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:31] Pig_Pen: Yeah, I've found that there's more bang for the buck with ATI, though. So, if the situation were better, ATI's probably the wiser choice. [16:31] Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't AMD/ATI working with some of the kernel guys to get better linux drivers out there while nvidia isn't? [16:31] current nvidia cards are crap compared to ati ones though [16:31] although, the nvidia the boss bought me last march died in november, so ... [16:31] and ati oss drivers are far better [16:32] Alan_Hicks: yes - but they still have a ways to go because of proprietary and ndn stuff [16:32] non-disclosure rather [16:32] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.43.219) joined ##slackware. [16:32] maybe things are changing with the ati VSs nvidia video on Linux that i am unaware of [16:33] ftr, I have a system with an integrated radeon 4200, I don't use 3D so I can't tell but everything else works *really* fine* [16:34] well, as long as the eye-candy in kde 4.x is turned off, the ati driver works really good [16:34] as does my r128 [16:35] Alan_Hicks: that's the flgrx drivers? as in, i might have 3d again sometime? [16:35] Nick change: raytrcemaster -> mica [16:35] ati being bigger bang for the buck is like shoes made out of gold. sure, the idea sounds great, but guess what - they're a pain to wear [16:38] fglrx is dead [16:38] and good riddance [16:38] radeon is the driver to use [16:38] StevenR_ (~foo@cpc1-brad19-2-0-cust230.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] slip of the neurons. [16:39] Kaapa (~Something@bl7-77-69.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:40] which i'm waiting on edward shishkin for a patch before I can up to kernel 2.6.32 and try the development radeon drivers [16:40] it'd be nice to have opengl support again [16:40] that's one of the issues with getting ati cards :you really have to do your homework before buying it. 'hmm, so fglrx supports models x, y, z, but not a, b, c. then there is this ancient driver. ohh, and there's a new oss driver. but only if you need functions 1, 2, 3'. big ball of fuuu [16:40] i've got an x1900 that used to work using the official drivers, but then ati decided i hadn't paid them recently enough. [16:40] I support ATI with their openness to OSS, though [16:41] ut: exactly [16:41] it's worth supporting a company who is making a huge effort to improve their linux drivers. hell, they employ people to work on x.org [16:41] ananke: fglrx is seriously deprecated. ati says not to use it even. [16:41] so there's no question there even. [16:41] mishehu: that's a recent development [16:41] the last ten years have burned a lot of users [16:42] I don't consider nvidia is much better than ati here (for their closed-source drivers), they've been such an annoyance for me [16:42] 'gee, you want dual monitors? good luck with it' [16:42] thrice`: so ati drivers for nix are better then nvidias, I just bumped in... [16:42] uhm [16:42] in terms of open-source? sure [16:42] What are you smoking? [16:42] closed-source? no [16:42] Camarade_Tux: depends what 'here' is. define the criteria [16:42] thrice`: yeah I ment in open source [16:42] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-169-87.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-199-159.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:43] ananke: burned me too. but nvidia wasn't THAT much better. the upshot of them was that I less often had to patch their drivers. [16:43] ananke: here: my computers [16:44] Camarade_Tux: that doesn't define criteria [16:44] but at least with the radeon drivers I have XRandR support now. [16:44] fglrx didn't support XRandR [16:44] mishehu: i'd say that across the board it has been better. over the past decade the general rule of thumb was that nvidia drivers were working, while ati ones were a very big hit and miss [16:44] even if I dont' have opengl for my hd 4890 card [16:44] here = my computers, criteria = number of times I had to mess with the driver [16:45] I just hope that the x.org radeon drivers stay backward compatible to be honest [16:45] ananke: the hit & miss I had usually had to do with connecting to devices other than a monitor [16:45] dive: i hope so too. [16:45] unlike the closed source [16:45] ananke: or patches for the closed sores drivers [16:46] dive: that's been the biggest annoyance when dealing with a large number of workstations and ati cards. seeing ati drop support for older chipsets was annoying as hell, while nvidia ones of the same age were still available [16:46] StonedSlacker (1002@cpe-075-181-028-062.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:46] vede (~joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] nvidia drops support too, it only keeps waits a bit longer before dropping [16:47] s/keeps // [16:47] Camarade_Tux: they have a couple driver branches. and they still beat ati when it comes to length of support [16:47] StevenR_ (~foo@cpc1-brad19-2-0-cust230.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:48] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [16:48] a lot of google, you'll wind the droped ones on some ftp-s [16:48] and on the opposite side of the spectrum, trying to get their latest and greatest cards working usually meant waiting 6 months for the drivers [16:48] there's a reason I use nouveau and accept the higher cpu-usage (because I use xorg-server-1.6, not 1.7) [16:49] since I'm not into extreme gaming, that's usually not an issue for me [16:50] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Client Quit [16:50] like i said, my biggest beef with ati was always the big uncertainty: will this model work? how long will it work for? will it support dual heads? if you buy a single card every few years, you can afford that leg work. [16:50] hxd (~hxd@123.231.232.34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:51] dont let ATI hold your GUI hostage switch to the commandline now before its too late! [16:51] for many years we had to swap ati cards with nvidia ones, for the users who wanted dual monitors [16:52] ananke: I never got dual-head working with fglrx [16:52] that one pissed me off [16:52] so while small sample of a few ati cards may yield fair experience, a larger sample over many years is very negative [16:52] I used the radeonhd drivers for a while, and had to reboot to do any games [16:52] I've yet to try that with ati. Works fine on my nvidia rigged though [16:52] mishehu: i have. with multiple r600, r700 cards [16:52] dual [16:52] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:53] since XRandR make dual heads easy peasy japanesey [16:53] Nick change: mica -> what [16:53] ananke: I just couldn't get dual heads working with fglrx. radeonhd, bam, it worked within 5 minutes of tinkering. [16:53] Nick change: what -> mica [16:53] now I use radoen since it's the preferred driver again for ati radeon [16:53] mishehu: i'm sorry, i meant to say that i also haven't gotten dual head working with fglrx [16:54] ananke: ah ok, so we were in the same boat [16:54] and yeah, no matter what we did, we couldn't get the damn things going [16:54] well, I'm still waiting for KDE4 to get dual-card setups working properly [16:54] ananke, which versions of mesa? of xf86-video-ati? of the kernel? [16:54] dual head in X is sooooo nice. with windoze you need that goofy hydravision installed [16:54] which I don't yet. [16:54] alisonken1home: KDE 4.4 has proper dualscreen [16:54] of course, this was before radeon drivers. still, nothing compares to nvidia when it comes to that: simple X -configure after installing nvidia drivers, and it works out of the box [16:55] but I looooove having my 4 desktops with 2 screens each [16:55] I run dualscreen on this ThinkPad [16:55] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:55] thrice`: this was on multiple ones, but i can't give you specifics now. we've tried it for many years [16:55] Two different resolutions, two separate desktops [16:55] alienBOB: works fine with xinerama - but at work I would prefer to have it when I switch desktops on the left monitor, the right monitor stays where it is [16:56] atm - single card, dual output [16:56] [14:35] ati being bigger bang for the buck..... yeah [16:56] ananke, ok, ATI drivers from "years ago" are completely different than the past few months [16:56] alisonken1home: intel graphics here, and no xorg.conf needed for dualscreen mode [16:56] you can't point the finger at ATI being a bad state for linux, based on shit from years ago [16:57] alienBOB: ati at the office [16:57] thrice`: i said over the past ten years. i'm happy to hear that things are improving, but using 'past few months' as relevant to the 'last decade' is a bit unfair [16:57] and I guess it's 4.3 (whatever -current was a month ago) [16:57] thrice`: sure i can point fingers at ati for providing crappy drivers over many years [16:58] mm, I might disagree, as if I'm looking for a new desktop, I consider the current state :> [16:58] FiveBean is still sucking as a VPS. I'm still working on fixing the destroyed installation, and they still haven't responded to my support ticket and fixed my control panel login. =/ [16:58] alienBOB: although I did catch an issue I emailed pat about on the xf86-video-intel and my hp laptop intel mobility chip having issues when I log out [16:58] I will bitch about years of hassles, but praise for current steps to make things work. [16:58] thrice`: last few months is a very short amount of time. you're only hoping that the trend will continue [16:58] mishehu: that's what i'm doing :) [16:58] ananke: didn't ati just release some more code? [16:59] I thought I saw something on /. within the past week about it [16:59] mishehu: i think i've read something about it too [17:00] now what would be a boon would be if they released code for Avivo [17:00] especially the part of Avivo that can do media file transcoding [17:00] I'd be in heaven with being able to improve speed by a factor of 5x or 6x. [17:01] cuz transcoding 1080p video files from mpeg2 to mkv-h264 is slooooooooooooow [17:01] and i'm glad ati has recently released linux sdk for opencl [17:01] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-207.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] competition is always good, especially when people vote with their wallets :) [17:03] what's opencl? [17:03] I think he meant opengl [17:04] ah thought it was something else neat and new [17:04] no, i meant opencl [17:04] ok - then "what's opencl"? [17:04] CUDA ? [17:04] adaptr: bingo [17:04] thought so [17:05] cuda is nvidia specific, while opencl is more of a framework for multiple different hardware platforms [17:05] the way that term's been bandied about I was sure CUDA was the more generic name.. go nivida for fooling me ;) [17:05] what was the generic term now... [17:06] long story short, ability to take advantage of your gpu as an additional processor for specific tasks [17:06] very cheap alternative to fpgas [17:06] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) joined ##slackware. [17:08] ananke: how does opencl relate to Avivo, if it does at all? [17:08] So my computer has been crashing when I leave it on over night or while I'm at school. When it crashes, it says, "X11 IO Fatal error 11: Could not communicate with video device (:0,0)" (Exact terminology of the error message is difficult to remember, so I hope that's good enough.) [17:08] ananke: I thought the problem with fpga's isn't the cost but the verilog [17:08] or the other language that is used with them [17:08] vede: the xorg log should tell you what happened. [17:10] mishehu: never heard of it until today, but by the looks of it: avivo seems to be a set of predefined functions/routines that you can use, specific to a very narrow subset of tasks [17:10] mishehu: well, developing in verilog is not easy, but fpgas themselves are usually very expensive [17:11] nvision_ (~nvision@g225053125.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:11] verilog, vhdl, ouch [17:12] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [17:12] I don't see anything of note in the xorg log, or the "old" xorg log. [17:12] slackwarebob (~bobby@adsl-76-249-230-114.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:13] hi there for all [17:14] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-192-162.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:15] macius (~macius@i209-195-114-55.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] nvision (~nvision@g225060035.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:15] WallRat007 (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Anybody know anything about gps tracking software under slackware? I heard you have to register the stuff like cell phone service or something [17:16] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:16] vede: really? [17:17] slackwarebob (~bobby@76.249.232.130) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Pretty sure. [17:18] macius (~macius@i209-195-114-55.cia.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:18] StonedSlacker: huh? [17:19] Gps tracking software. Will it run under wi9ne or does it need wine? Wrong channel, I know but... [17:19] anyone can help me to obain wvstreams.txz or tgz i need much them and has oassed 2 days and no encounter thenm thanks for any advance... [17:20] StonedSlacker: what gps tracking software? what in the world are you talking about? [17:20] lol, I'll have more info later. Side job [17:20] SOUL_OF_R00T, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/wvstreams/ [17:20] or http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-13.0/development/wvstreams/ ? [17:20] Duide, my eth0 is still baked. [17:21] SOUL_OF_R00T: If you trust pre-built third party packages, that is. [17:21] I have no idea how to get that bitch to cooperate. I tried tulip and 8139too drivers...nuthin' [17:21] By more inclined to ise the slackbuild [17:21] *be [17:21] *use [17:22] fuzzix, we don't tend to trust pre-built packages unless they are alienBOB's or rworkman's ;-) [17:22] a slackbuild is always a better choice [17:22] we are plural [17:22] dive: Sounds good to me. [17:23] we are legion [17:24] In either of the logs, there is no instance of a line with (EE) at all. [17:24] vede, what is at the bottom of the log? Anything of note? [17:25] Not really. [17:25] A few lines informing me of some config options, and a few nvidia lines. [17:26] No tell-tale "Something went wrong here." lines. [17:26] which video driver are you using? [17:26] nv or nvidia? [17:26] nvidia [17:26] try using nv and see if it still does it [17:27] I've used nvidia with Slackware before, and this wasn't a problem... [17:28] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.86.46.216) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:28] But I guess I'll switch to nv before I go to sleep tonight, and see how it looks in the morning. [17:28] just trying to narrow it down [17:28] For some reason, this install of Slackware has been causing all sorts of problems. [17:30] Also, my clock in Fluxbox always sets itself back to UTC when I reboot. [17:30] The output from clock and hwclock both display the proper time, and the only way to fix it is with "date --set", but that only fixes for that session. [17:32] have you tried running timeconfig again? [17:34] Yes. [17:34] Numerous times. [17:37] vede: hwclock --systohc [17:37] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] sets the hardware time to local time [17:38] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:38] That just made my hardware clock wrong again. [17:38] so set date [17:38] and do it again [17:38] vede: set date to be correct. next, set the proper timezone. then, sync to hw [17:38] man hwclock helps [17:38] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] I've set date, and I've set my hardware clock to be correct before. [17:39] But when I rebooted, my Fluxbox clock showed a time that was not synced with my hardware clock. [17:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:40] ikar (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [17:40] vede: hwclock --help [17:40] I've seen the hwclock help page, and the man page about seventy times now. [17:40] correct timezone? [17:41] Yes. [17:42] when i rightclick on the desktop, then it apears a element who shouldn't be there [17:43] ikar: who is that? :) [17:43] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:43] sorry, i can't speak english very good :P [17:44] that shouldn't be there* on the popup-menu [17:44] ananke: anything you know that can use opencl? [17:45] so...who is in charge of broken things on SBo? [17:45] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/academic/maxima/ [17:45] edman007: the email contact of the package. [17:45] download link is broke [17:46] thumbs, but its not really a problem with the package... [17:46] edman007, #slackbuilds [17:46] edman007: it is, actually. [17:46] ok.. [17:46] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] where is jkwood? when I first came in here, he was the man who helped me a lot about ethernet card issue [17:47] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] greetings and salutations [17:48] salutz greetz [17:48] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.5) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [17:48] andarius, hi [17:48] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:49] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [17:50] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:51] vede (~joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:51] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:55] when i rightclick on the desktop, in the popupmenu, it apears a element that shouldn't be there. How can that be removed? [17:55] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [17:56] ikar: there is a substantial amount of data missing from your question that prevents and answer from being given [17:58] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:58] ikar, like which desktop are you running? What is the element? [17:58] xfce [17:58] which slackware version [17:58] which DE version [17:58] slackware 13 [17:59] x86 [17:59] what cpu, how much ram, full install, a/s/l/ ? [17:59] yes, full install [17:59] mica_ (~chatzilla@124.43.33.215) joined ##slackware. [17:59] so what is the name of this element? [17:59] still a few unanswered !s ? [18:00] s/!/Q/ [18:01] i have used the Configure custom action in Thunar [18:01] i 'm a newbe [18:01] 17:58 < dive> so what is the name of this element? [18:01] ikar: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [18:02] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:02] mica (~chatzilla@124.43.156.29) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:02] Nick change: mica_ -> mica [18:04] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:04] apparently an answer is not desired... [18:04] 42 [18:04] :) [18:05] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:05] salutations NyteOwl. the statement was meant for another, however your answer is formaly accepted ;) [18:05] hi andarius,what's new? [18:06] nothing really. not sure if that is good or bad [18:06] you ? [18:06] just trying to find my WinXP slipstream CD to play some more with the lkaptops ahrd drive. [18:07] trying to avoid looking at my "to do" list :) [18:07] I can understand that some what. I have been rebuilding my disc collection due to all the system buils/rebuilds I ahve been doing for others. [18:08] I tried putting Slack 13 on it last night and everything was fine except the setup bombed out on isntalling a few packages. Don't know if I've got a bad CD or not yet [18:09] check the install drive as well ? [18:09] HD that is [18:09] I also discovered an brand new complete system here with no OS on it :) (K6-III+ 600MHz) [18:10] brand new as in still in the box or just new to you ? [18:10] sounds like a good firewall system [18:10] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.53) joined ##slackware. [18:10] andarius: brand new as assembled and never activated :) [18:10] I built it a couple of years ago for a project that fell through and it's never been used [18:11] nice [18:11] even has a Linux compatible PCI modem in it :) [18:11] (that you found it that is) [18:11] freack (~freack@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:11] put that puppy in a special box [18:11] Nick_Patterson (~c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-gcnlnrgjrzuhrtky) left irc: Quit: Page closed [18:11] I swear sometimes I may find my fortune as I continue to houseclean the basement :) [18:11] ikar (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:12] i always wanted a K6 [18:12] people kept giving me celerons [18:12] I have three of them a K6-2/350, K6-2/500 and this K6-III+600 [18:12] think I have two [18:13] I also have an old AST 486SX/25 that takes up space in the basement but I hate to throw out working equipment :) [18:14] (now you know why I have to houseclean the basement) [18:14] does it go upto 40mhz with rhe turbo button? [18:14] p-pro 200 in a box here. also a dual p-pro system :| [18:14] nooper: nope [18:14] P-pro was a nice procvessor [18:15] dual even better [18:15] yeah, a bit old these days though [18:15] yup [18:15] hell, a 1GHz athlon is old these dasy [18:15] my 3 GHz 9650 is considered old by some [18:15] my 3ghz p4 is old :( [18:16] afaik, most people only need to upgrade because people keep using more flash on webpages [18:16] lol [18:17] marketing does most of it. [18:17] lol - this one is going to do me for a while :) [18:17] might upgrade the graphics card if I want to play s0ome newer games or some such is about all. [18:18] my pc doesn't have a pci-x slot [18:18] invictus (jaird@64.215.163.99) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:18] StonedSlacker (1002@cpe-075-181-028-062.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:19] well This 4870 should do for a while yet [18:20] considering one of my machines here is runing on a Matrox G200SD with 16MB :) [18:22] Action: NyteOwl contemplates putting up a BBS on the old 486SX just for the hell of it [18:24] macius (~macius@i209-195-94-128.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:24] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [18:24] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-61-38.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:25] macius (~macius@i209-195-94-128.cia.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:26] macius (~macius@i209-195-94-128.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:27] whoa! a Slackware BBS via telnet - fido.mbse.eu [18:29] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:32] I'm trying to use exclude folders named '.git' in rsync: I want to use --delete-excluded and want to keep a .git folder I put there, but I can't figure out the proper command-line [18:32] anyone to help? =) [18:32] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:33] then don't use --delete-excluded :) [18:33] --exclude=".git" should be enough, no? [18:33] Reticenti (~reticenti@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Reticenti (~reticenti@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [18:33] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-138-228.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:38] if I use --exclude=".git", --delete-excluded will cause it to be deleted [18:39] NyteOwl, interesting [18:39] i just logged in there are no other users online :( [18:40] alpha (~alpha@190.231.174.118) joined ##slackware. [18:41] :win 16 [18:41] bah =) [18:41] Camarade_Tux, of course :> so, why not just leave off --delete-excluded? I don't follow [18:42] I want to locally remove files that have been removed remotely [18:42] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:43] hi, today ive notices that internet speed was REALLY slow. Ive notices some strange server in netstat (sario.riverview.ne:http for example and a bunch more that keeps conected everytime, even if im not using any internet service). Also my iptables rules doesnt seem to exists anymore... Is there a way i can fix this? ill pastebin netstat output... [18:44] its the first time i get a security problem under my Linux box... [18:44] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [18:45] pastebin.com is still loading... [18:45] waabimiigwan (~steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:45] thrice`: can think of a good solution? I actually have an easy work-around [18:45] alpha, setup iptables to block all incoming the open ports as needed [18:47] Camarade_Tux, no, I misread your question originally. I thought you said "why is my .git deleting itself, when I do --exclude=".git" --delete-excluded" ? I want .git to stay!" :) [18:47] Camarade_Tux, unless you script it to move the local, sync, and re-move [18:47] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:47] thrice`: well, I'm a bit tired so I might have troubles explaining my problem properly ;-) [18:49] kloeri (kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) joined ##slackware. [18:49] thrice`: my work-around is to mkdir A; (cd A && git init); (cd A && rsync ...) [18:51] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [18:52] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:52] hey guys, does it make any sense to use ssd in a raid? [18:52] macius (~macius@i209-195-94-128.cia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:53] oobe: ok, ive blocked I/O of 43843 port, but this sario.riverview.ne:http is still conected nad now is also conected to 43342. im starting to freak out.. [18:54] try restarting your webserver [18:54] well, stopping and restarting it [18:55] Skywise: are talking to me? [18:56] yes [18:56] alpha, did you manage to pastebin netstat [18:56] oobe: no, pastebin is not loading at all [18:57] ive get connected to freenode after waiting 30 min.. [18:57] its also worth looking at /var/log/secure [18:57] oobe: nothing in /var/log/secure, 0 lines [18:58] do you have any bandwidth monitoring tools [18:58] oobe: for example? [18:58] hmm /var/log/secure should have info about every possible login [18:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] vnstat [18:59] no, i have ettercap.. is it usefull? [18:59] im not familar with ettercap [19:00] ill restart my internet connection.. [19:00] yes that should show you all existing connections and possibly bw usage [19:03] hub__ (~nvision@e179133243.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:03] speaking of SSD i seen something interesting about using an SSD in combination with other drives [19:03] alpha, try this http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [19:04] alpha (~alpha@190.231.174.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] where the SSD drive is used as the cache for raid with regular high capacity spinning platter drives [19:05] trying to find the link [19:06] nvision_ (~nvision@g225053125.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:06] hub__ (~nvision@e179133243.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [19:06] http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/02/03/1814248/A-Hybrid-Approach-For-SSD-Speed-From-Your-2TB-HDD [19:07] yeah, i read that, i thought it was a waste of an ssd [19:08] you could just install the os and programs on the ssd and put your data on the the hdd and be just as fast [19:09] thats what i would do, install the OS and static data on the SSD and the stuff the gets written and moved around a lot on the spinning platter = /tmp /var /home [19:11] anyway, in another 5 or 10 years spinning platters could be obsolete or just used in high capactity data storage situations, and new desktops & laptops would be all SSD [19:11] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:11] considering the expense of ssd, it doesn't make sense to use it as a cache [19:12] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [19:12] i heard SSD dont hold up good to lists of re-writing to, but i can imagine the hardware engineers are working on fixing that [19:13] s/lists/lots [19:15] but cache is what gets looked at first when retrieving data so that is where the speed comes from [19:15] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:16] but a ramdisk would be even better [19:16] even better ias dedicated ahrdware RAID controller with its own cache :) [19:16] yow [19:17] better hope that card lives forever [19:18] good quality RAID cards have a pretty good longevity and if you are really serious you make sure you have a spare [19:18] Skywise: yup, if you have LOTS of ram just make a ramdisk with a couple of gigs of it [19:18] or you can use software raid and not have it matter [19:19] hardware RAID has some distinct advantages [19:19] as well as disadvantages [19:19] pros and cons both ways :) [19:19] like everything [19:19] i like being able to use whatever is on the market [19:20] for your average desktop software RAID is a decent alternative for RAID 1 or 5. Not6 sure I'de liek to try setting up 10 under software RAID :) [19:20] spmd (~loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:20] its no different [19:20] runs quite well actually [19:20] no, but rebuilding an array could take forever :) [19:20] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [19:20] yeah, rebuilding is where i find most arrays die [19:21] so i don't use large arrays or consider raid backup [19:21] its just redundancy [19:22] with 2 tb drives, i'd put together 4 250gb raid 1 arrays [19:22] alpha (~alpha@190.30.70.253) joined ##slackware. [19:22] i should say 2, 1 tb drives [19:23] maybe 2 500gb, but that will take along time to reconstruct [19:23] now my internet goes a bit faster, but now im getting a lot of connections from une server... [19:23] I was just looking at that HDDBoost. The web page says "no software or driver needed" then two paragraphs later specifies it needs softwqare to do the magic and taks to windows [19:23] heh [19:23] drop all its packets explicitly [19:24] ive blocked some ports but this host then connects to another port [19:24] and its free except for a small fee [19:24] block it by its ip [19:24] I use two 500GB drive in RAID 1 in my desktop [19:24] they are all similiar to this: eze03s01-in-f100.1:http [19:24] do a whois, find their network and block their netmask [19:25] i used to run raid 5, but that can fail too easily [19:25] Skywise: how? ive never done that before... [19:25] even raid 6 isn't that resilient [19:25] try man whois [19:26] if you had it installed, you can do whois lookups on line too [19:26] but nestat doesn show the whole host, just a part: eze03s01-in-f147.1:http [19:27] there is no host under eze03s01-in-f147.1 [19:27] look in your apache access logs [19:27] One of the comments on theat HDDboost ahs the right idea. SOmeone needs to coem out with a gadget that fits in a drive bay and uses all those older memory sticks we all have to create a nice SSD/cache usit [19:27] or use netstat -n [19:27] s/usit/unit/ [19:27] lol [19:27] great [19:27] i prolly have a petabyte of old memory sticks [19:28] lots of folks probably do have a fair number. [19:28] OrgName: Google Inc. WTF? [19:28] i knew holding on to them would turn out to be useful one day [19:28] im not even connected to google... [19:28] google bot? [19:29] i think so.. [19:29] its connecting trough http, but i dont have an open browser.. [19:30] probably chinese hackers [19:30] diegobestlinux (~diegobest@201.91.215.136) joined ##slackware. [19:30] well, if its crawling you, then it should show up in the access logs [19:31] and update your robots.txt to disallow indexing [19:31] a weird thing is that every web page or MSN protocol, etc runned REALLY slow.. but i could connect to google perfectly.. [19:31] i had to block bing from my servers [19:31] they would send 20 bots every 20 mins [19:32] Skywise, where is the access log? [19:32] and they ignored robots.txt [19:32] it would be defined in your host configuration for apache [19:33] Vamos discutir e/ou tira duvidas sobre o Samba4!!! | www.samba4.com.br | Nova canal #samba4 [19:33] ive never touched apache config so it may be in its default location? [19:33] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [19:33] you shouldn't be running an unconfigure webserver [19:34] i don't know where the slackware version puts its files, i do my own installs [19:34] mine are in /var/lib/apache/logs [19:34] Skywise: im not hosting a webpage or anything like that.. [19:34] why are you running the webserver? [19:34] Skywise: alpha http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLayout [19:34] Skywise: im not running a webserver.. [19:34] you should only be running what you need [19:35] ive never said i was running a webserver [19:35] o.O [19:35] i thought you said you were getting a lot of connections on it [19:35] diegobestlinux (diegobest@201.91.215.136) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:36] are you sure those are your connections from surfing? [19:36] Yahoo's bot ignores robots.txt too thought they deny it [19:36] they appear as Foreign Address [19:36] er though [19:36] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:36] Skywise: its the first time i see those google bots [19:36] NyteOwl: not here. [19:37] also im getting over 15 connection from them [19:37] NyteOwl: robots.txt denies access, and they don't try to access anything. [19:37] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] i don't see why they'd be connecting to you [19:37] Skywise: or im connecting to them? [19:37] yeah, thats the question [19:38] they are after your blueprints for the orbiting brain lazers you were building for taking over the world [19:38] thumbs I had their IP's and ID all through my access logs despite robots.txt and the exclude ehaders. I ahd to explicitly prohibit them in htaccess [19:38] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:39] NyteOwl: you should have used iptables, but I disgress [19:39] NyteOwl: htaccess is SLOW, and they shouldn't even hit your HTTP server to begin with [19:39] Skywise: bots have suddenly disappeared, but i still can connect to my MSN accout.. [19:39] you should only use htaccess to testing out rules [19:39] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:39] Skywise: not even. [19:39] thumbs: not my server so I don't have access to the iptables :) [19:40] then put them in a directive in your conf [19:40] NyteOwl: ok, fine. [19:40] well, i don't like to have to restart the server everytime i wanna test something [19:40] when i get it working like i want then i turn off reading htaccess files [19:41] its really helpful when doing rewrite rules [19:41] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.33.148) joined ##slackware. [19:42] Skywise: that's the point of using RewriteLog. [19:42] Skywise: log what the rules are doing. No guessing. [19:42] i use rewrite log to debug [19:42] its hard to know whats going on otherwise [19:43] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:43] but when you're trying to figure out why a rule isn't firing, restarting is too cumbersome [19:43] after a few minutes, amsn says: Error connecting to server :S [19:43] Skywise: WFM [19:43] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [19:44] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [19:44] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [19:46] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-151-41-43.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:47] my download rate is 10 Kb/s. Something is going wrong here... [19:47] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Quit: xs [19:47] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:47] try removing those blocks you put before [19:47] 5 Kb/s now [19:48] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [19:48] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [19:48] MadneX (~MadneX@189-015-181-152.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:48] MadneX (~MadneX@189-015-181-152.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Changing host [19:48] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [19:49] hyke (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:49] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [19:49] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [19:50] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [19:52] alpha (~alpha@190.30.70.253) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:54] frak me, our company management types think we have big company budgets and buy the most expensive (and usually crap) commercial products [19:55] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> ??? [19:55] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Joker_-_ (~joker@69.70.227.22) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Hi, I just wrote a partition table over the wrong drive. Haven't rebooted and everything is still *fine*. Any easy way to get the *live* partition table re-written on the drive? [19:57] I could find a few informations as the size of the old partitions in blocks, but I really dunno how to "rebuild" the partition based on that information [19:57] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.25.173) joined ##slackware. [19:58] the S/390 port is 31bit ? [19:58] Joker_-_: using fdisk works. [19:58] Joker_-_: you need to know the *exact* boundaries [19:58] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-151-41-43.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Action: thumbs has done it once [19:58] thumbs: I guess, but I don't know exactly what to input... [19:59] I currently only know the blocks. I don't fully understand how blocks are related to sectors and cylindder [20:00] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:00] sda has 39082680 blocks, sda1 was the swap, with 2000061 blocks, and sda2 37078020 blocks. [20:00] altho it sounds like megabytes to me... [20:00] that's a 40gb drive... and the swap was indeed somewehre around 2gb [20:01] thumbs: what do you think about that? [20:06] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:10] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:11] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-87-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:13] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Joker_-_: you have to be precise. Very precise. [20:16] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:18] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [20:18] I wish I could be absolutely precise, but how, where can I find this info [20:18] I'm digging in /proc/ [20:18] found /proc/partitions so far, but thats it thats all... [20:18] darylc (~darylc@pdpc/supporter/active/darylc) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Plasmastar (Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [20:20] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:21] I'm now trying to find informations trough dmesg... [20:22] Arent you the one that did things by cylinders? [20:25] Guess you are talking to thumbs ? [20:26] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [20:26] Joker_-_: have you tried a tool like :: http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page [20:28] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] First I don't know if it can build partition tables from ground up, and sadly ext4 is unsupported [20:29] ext4 doesnt have to be supported [20:29] just make the partitions there..and format em in the installer [20:30] ? The point would be not to format em, unless I don't get what you mean [20:30] kehcho (~kehcho@kehcho.tk) joined ##slackware. [20:30] hi all [20:30] hi [20:31] some one can help me with ipv6 [20:31] I'm trying to write the partition table as it was before I messed up. [20:31] http://pastebin.com/m527c89ba [20:31] kehcho: I have zero knowledge of ipv6 [20:31] huh [20:31] emme open that pastebin [20:32] uhm.. [20:32] who is your tunnel provider? [20:32] tunnerlbroker [20:33] for one..dont use ifconfig [20:33] ifconfig is trash [20:33] use ip [20:33] two, use their example [20:33] it makes no sense why that WOULD work..you dont need sit1 [20:33] straterra, when i using ip and ping6 some host say no route to host [20:33] add the ips you want to sit0 [20:34] then you didnt have it configured properly [20:34] join #ipv6 and paste that pastebin [20:34] straterra, i have configuret the desktop by the same way, and fine properly [20:35] i cant type in [20:35] why? [20:35] kehcho: ardya has a nice ipv6 slackbuild. http://linux.ardynet.com/slack-packs/ [20:35] ipv6 slackbuild? [20:35] For..what? [20:35] Slackware already has ipv6 support and all the tools you need [20:36] distro[Ubuntu "intrepid" 8.10] [20:36] is my desktop and my ipv6 work fine [20:37] wait .. ubuntu? [20:37] ipv6 init [20:37] my server is slackware [20:37] ah. [20:37] my desktops is ubuntu and work good [20:37] ipv6 [20:39] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:40] aaaaa [20:40] »» #ipv6 :Cannot send to channel [20:40] reg your nick [20:40] oh my jesus [20:44] straterra: slackware already has wifi support, and all the tools you need as well, so why do people use wicd? [20:46] because slackware's wifi support sucks ass [20:46] works fine for me. [20:47] works never for me [20:48] what [20:48] my slackware wifi works perfectly [20:49] shut up jeev [20:50] " so why do people use wicd?" - people? perhaps - neanderthals [20:51] just edit rc.inet1.conf & rc.wireless.conf by hand with a vim :D [20:51] web1109 (~web1109@70-59-241-3.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] rc.wireless.conf should be removed [20:52] i just type it up by hand [20:52] and maybe use wpa_gui if i have to [20:52] but usually my wpa supplicant conf works just fine [20:52] thrice`, shut up and blow someone [20:52] I would, but your sister wanted to eat AGAIN. this is like her 3rd dinner [20:53] how funny, she may be long and lost then cause i've never met her [20:53] you must be confusing her with your mother again [20:54] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:54] is there a channel for apcupsd help? [20:55] <|Slacker|> talkin' 'bout cups [20:56] jeev, don't be so embarassed, she's not THAT ugly [20:56] kehcho_ (~kehcho@162.122.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [20:56] web1109: unlikely [20:56] web1109: what's the issue? [20:56] <|Slacker|> wen my slack 13 boots and cups's loaded I get (core dumped) msg [20:56] sure [20:56] Nick change: kehcho -> Guest43507 [20:56] thrice`: she is that easy though [20:56] Guest43507 (~kehcho@kehcho.tk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:56] SlackNews (nikopol@apple.chaosorigin.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:56] yeah :/ [20:57] ananke: everythin's fine, except I also want it to shutdown on commfailure [20:57] whatever you say [20:57] web1109: ouch, why? [20:57] kehcho_ (~kehcho@162.122.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Client Quit [20:57] ananke: well if comm with ups is down (usb cord falls out...) The computer wouldn't know if power goes out [20:57] kehcho_ (~kehcho@162.122.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [20:58] StonedSlacker (1002@cpe-075-181-028-062.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:58] web1109: yeah, but do you want such random event to result in a shut down? [20:59] ananke: yes, in the very unlinekly event the usb cord falls out, I want it to shut down. Because if the power goes down, the battery will run out quick and do a hard off on the system [20:59] <|Slacker|> any ideas? [20:59] i imagine I need to edit the /etc/apcupsd/commfailure file [21:01] web1109: looks like it, although i've never seen it used for that purpose [21:01] I was thinking of calling 'apccontrol doshutdown' but apccontrol says to not to call it, but rely on apcupsd daemon to call it [21:03] »» kehcho :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable [21:06] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [21:06] darylc (~darylc@pdpc/supporter/active/darylc) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [21:08] kehcho_: You'll have to release it. See #freenode for instructions. [21:08] Nick change: kehcho_ -> kehcho [21:09] gm152, thanks [21:10] I just learned something new [21:10] OK. [21:10] Plasmastar (Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:10] If you chat on the main server page, nobody will respond [21:10] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Excess Flood [21:10] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [21:11] I guess I am the only one who can appreciate my awesome level of stupidity [21:13] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [21:13] root (~root@i209-195-77-94.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:14] SlackNews (nikopol@apple.chaosorigin.com) joined ##slackware. [21:14] Nick change: root -> Guest86119 [21:14] Nick change: Guest86119 -> macius [21:16] macius (~root@i209-195-77-94.cia.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:16] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:16] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] acidkill (acidkill@user-0c90ofd.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:46] the references were burnt when one of them was smoking weed near the documents [21:47] haha [21:49] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:51] M1ck_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:52] slackwarebob (~bobby@76.249.232.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:53] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:57] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:08] aSDFasff (matthew@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [22:08] bah I can't seem for the life of me to get vmware-tools working properly for a slackware guest [22:08] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:08] meh, my users cant write to /dev/shm all the sudden? [22:08] most specifically the networking *sigh* [22:10] bash-3.1$ cd /dev/shm [22:10] bash-3.1$ touch ass [22:10] touch: cannot touch `ass': Permission denied [22:10] slackwarebob (~bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:11] davi` (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [22:12] you could change the permissions but it will of course change back on reboot [22:12] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:13] drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 40 2010-02-04 20:28 /dev/shm [22:13] uhmm, and ls -ld /dev/shm shows what? [22:13] nowai? [22:13] i dont know how my ram usage is 11.1 gigs on this crappy vista [22:14] its from booting up [22:14] jeev: Thats some crazy porn you're watching ;) [22:14] Time is 7:14pm, computer has been up for 5d 23h 33m 10s [22:14] i had like 20 iron (google chrome but less privacy issues) open and 1 firefox [22:15] jeev: Firefox? [22:15] 37 million ssh's [22:15] i cant even add up the ram usage in task manager to more than 3 gb [22:16] i guess i'll reboot [22:16] drwxr-xr-t 2 root root 40 2008-09-22 20:39 /dev/shm [22:16] aSDFasff: well there you go [22:16] you trying to run a botnet on your desktop, jeev? [22:16] aSDFasff: errr right [22:16] well when did this happen and why [22:17] aSDFasff: we're not psychic [22:17] aSDFasff: maybe its the porn you're watching too [22:17] worthless than a psychic [22:18] so i add chmod 777 /dev/shm to rc.local? [22:18] how odd [22:18] it's supposed to be root:root [22:18] aSDFasff: worthless is your ability to diagnose such simple issue [22:19] kehcho (~kehcho@162.122.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:19] kehcho (~kehcho@kehcho.tk) joined ##slackware. [22:19] simple as in it worked last week then i did some slackware updates and it didnt [22:19] dev/shm should always be 777 imo [22:19] not to mention that 777 would be actually wrong [22:19] aSDFasff: wrong [22:19] then what [22:19] aSDFasff: not so much [22:20] aSDFasff, why do you think that? [22:21] mount -t tmpfs tmps /dev/shm [22:22] wow. just wow. [22:22] ;) [22:22] hmm that works i guess...maybe i added "defaults" to fstab a while ago (13 days uptime since last reboot" [22:22] that could be it, i dunno [22:22] pireau (1000@208.92.18.115) joined ##slackware. [22:23] drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 40 2010-02-04 22:26 /dev/shm/ [22:23] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:23] yeah. now does that look like 777? [22:23] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] no like 3777 or some codey hax [22:23] not sure what the t is :p [22:23] this is on -current, yours looks quite a bit older [22:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:24] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:24] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] root (~root@user-1087244.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Nick change: root -> Guest19144 [22:37] its a bad idea to use irc as root [22:37] make a user and sign on as that before it becomes regretable [22:37] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] you know, as often as that gets repeated, have you ever seen a case of compromise via irc client? [22:38] you ever been to efnet? [22:38] yes, i have [22:38] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:38] yeah it happens all the time there [22:38] which clients? what vector of attack? [22:38] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] mirc [22:39] . [22:39] seeing a compromise does not reduce the fact that is is said to be bad for a reason [22:39] especially when people give encoded strings [22:39] that can run commands that people cut and paste thinking they're getting helped [22:39] Skywise: 'giving encoding strings' doesn't mean they'll be executed automatically [22:39] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:40] people who irc as root, usually aren't sophsticated to know how to avoid being exploited either [22:40] Skywise: that's not an issue with running irc as root. it's executing what you're being fed as root [22:40] if you're not root, being stupid isn't so harmful [22:40] Skywise: and not running as root makes them suddenly sophisticated? [22:41] no, it makes them less likely to have their system inadvertantly damaged [22:41] Skywise: how so? if the issue is 'running commands they're given, when they expect help', chances are they are running them as root anyway [22:41] dont gimp as root [22:41] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [22:41] dont xpdf as root [22:41] first line of defense [22:42] just avoid the easy issues [22:42] dont png as root [22:42] don't run as root [22:42] run with the min access required [22:42] im running ssh as root EGADS [22:42] hehe [22:43] not to mention that linux users tend to perpetuate the myth that 'as long as i don't do it as root, i'm ok'. that's silly. most valuable data is stored as that user, not as root [22:43] someone will delete my porn [22:43] you should save porn as root [22:43] but browse it as a user [22:43] kehcho (~kehcho@kehcho.tk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:44] so... then its safe to IRC as root!!! [22:44] :o [22:44] users: root, restricted, user [22:44] um [22:44] there case dismised [22:44] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [22:44] ircing as root is no more dangerous than ircing as regular user [22:44] you heard him ops... remove the kick on root users !! [22:45] i guess thats settled then [22:45] the point is to discourage people from logging in as root in general [22:45] thrice`: bingo. that's a very valid point [22:45] One of the funniest and most common IRC issues these days is the DCC string router rebooter and that doesn't require root at all. [22:45] he gets a prize !! [22:45] omg [22:45] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:45] one can of guiness for thrice` ;) [22:46] you don't like him or something? [22:46] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] canned guiness? only if draft or bottled isn;t available :) [22:46] if you're gonna give someone you like a guiness its gotta be draught [22:47] agreed [22:47] Well, gentlemen, go and find me a pub that pours guiness as this hour. ;) [22:47] thats the only time they pour it around here :P [22:47] I can probably find you several but they're on this coast :p [22:48] i'm in the states, but i know a couple places around dublin that does [22:48] Skywise: at 3:48AM? [22:48] oh [22:48] no [22:48] nopt even midnight here :p [22:48] they don't have after hours clubs anymore? [22:48] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.33.148) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:49] Skywise: probably do. But since you're the one saying there should be draught, you can be the one to go and find one in Manchester, UK to proof your point :) [22:49] rv2733 (~ron@c-98-254-46-12.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:49] joannis (~joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [22:49] i'd love to but i'm never traveling to the uk while they're capturing biometrics [22:50] you can't get new retinas if your data gets stolen [22:50] so does usa upon entry [22:50] but i'm already here [22:50] BP{k}: my bar does, it's in my fridge. :D [22:50] strange, they never asked me for fingerprints, eyescans or whatsoever :P [22:51] just wait until they find that out [22:51] s/guiness/Guinness/ ;) [22:51] and now you can't fly out of heathrow or gatwick without a full body scan [22:52] well it's official. my laptop drive is kaput :( [22:52] hmm, udev 150 removes support for deprecated non-libata ide devices [22:52] soon everyone is just gonna have to get in a people carrier at home and get trucked on to a plane [22:52] conspiracy theorists [22:52] udev is insane [22:52] the UK has become one big paranoid gulag unfortuantely [22:53] the government loves you! they care about toddlers non-existent teeth! [22:53] very soon we'll say goodbye to /dev/hd [22:53] why won't anyone stop udev [22:54] because you wont write something better [22:54] i did, but my dog ate it [22:54] Skywise: you know those terrahertz body scanners do more than just photograph your vagina [22:54] kuzmin (~macius@i209-195-77-94.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:54] ananke, that's already the case in -current [22:54] they also serve as fun and amusement for the staff [22:54] terrahertz waves screw with dna breathing dynamics, read the peer reviewed paper [22:55] thrice`: good. i'm glad things are moving towards that [22:55] hey im wondering is there a way to recover slackware, reinstall all system pakages? [22:55] kuzmin: What is wrong with the system, first of all. [22:55] UPGRADE.TXT? [22:56] the whole idea is bad [22:56] they're not catching criminals that way, they're just harrassing passengers [22:56] Skywise: there is a reason the queen of england gave the president of mexico a copy of George Orwell's 1984 [22:56] antiwire: few packages seem to be damaged randomly i have done alot with the system so its completely my fault but curious [22:56] if the police would of done their job the underware bomber would of been caught long before he got on a plane [22:57] antiwire: ex: seems hidd is broken, and im sure ill find more [22:57] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [22:57] aSDFasff, whats that? big brother was a corporation, not the gov't [22:57] antiwire: so it would be nice to reinstall the os and leave the fs if thats possible [22:57] its to make everyone a terrorist...to resist tyranny is terrorism...hell even read bin ladens quotes about the greed and avarice of major corporations [22:57] For some reason I was happy about Freenode's ircd upgrade but then I realized that the ircd upgrade won't fix the bullshit level in this channel. [22:57] yeah [22:57] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:58] nor the stalker/idler/2center ratio [22:58] aSDFasff: You realize that I am talking about you, right? [22:58] antiwire: i care not, you lurker [22:59] join the convo/start a new one or stfu and lurk moar [22:59] im onery [23:00] onery = retarded? [23:00] ad hominem = god [23:00] You're also an unknown here. [23:01] im not a namefag sorry...been around since 2000- [23:01] wow, i need an ssd. [23:01] i thought you had like 10? [23:01] send me one too please [23:01] i have one, in my lappy [23:01] but i need the x25-m [23:01] for my desktop [23:02] Namefag or not, persons who wear posteriors for headwear quickly become unwelcome. Just FYI. [23:02] 32 gigs of ram + copy scripts [23:02] i need usb3 and a female companion [23:02] Plasmastar (Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:03] what's a namefag [23:03] jeev stfu jew lover [23:03] ? [23:03] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:03] ##slackware: mode change '+q aSDFasff!*@*' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [23:03] woah woah woah [23:03] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [23:03] aSDFasff, stop spreading lies [23:03] aSDFasff: That shit ain't cool. [23:03] jeev: ignore. [23:03] done [23:04] rworkman (3356@about/slackware/rworkman) left ##slackware. [23:04] rworkman (3356@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Plasmius (Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:04] FFS [23:04] Action: andarius hands rworkman a beer... itll be ok ;) [23:04] For 7 seconds I thought you rage quit ;) [23:04] jeev: newegg special, free intel 40 gb ssd with purchase of retail 160 gb ssd :o [23:05] aSDFasff: That is a great example of exactly what I meant. It's called "don't wear your ass for a hat." [23:05] rage beer slam, its more fun !! [23:06] hmm [23:06] i ddin't see that [23:06] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167024 [23:06] that's 460 on ebay [23:06] with 10% cashback [23:06] darkwurm (~dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Quit: dinner [23:07] hmm, I fear high $$ hardware from ebay [23:07] i've never had an issue [23:07] 489 new from newegg if you get the oem model [23:07] aSDFasff (matthew@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:07] $60 for 80GB WD lappy drive. Not too abd [23:07] NyteOwl: huh? my last 250 gb was 56 :| [23:08] that seems pricey [23:08] NyteOwl is from guadlajara [23:08] he has to pay a lot more than us [23:08] andarius: cheapest IDE laptop drive I've found so far. another $5 wouldg et me 160GB but that's a Samsung [23:08] jeev, close - Canada :) [23:08] prices on ide have been rising a lot lately [23:08] hmm, newegg wont ship ? [23:09] they have newegg.ca [23:09] nyRednek, take a road trip down to america [23:09] or the us shall i acll it [23:09] andarius: they opened a newegg Canada with appropriately higher prices [23:09] united states of debt [23:09] lol [23:09] smorkfarmer (matthew@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [23:09] rworkman! [23:09] jeev: my lover [23:09] Want me to get one and ship it for you ? :) [23:09] lol [23:10] andarius: to be honest, I'm not sure how large a drive the lappy will recognize. It's a bit elderly ya know :) [23:11] jeev: what do you think of bill gates being in the "good club" to solve overpopulation but also (as of last week) trying to save 8 billion childrens lives with 10 billion dollars in "vaccines" ? [23:11] who are you [23:11] intereting? [23:11] ex-boyfriend? [23:11] nop [23:11] NyteOwl: tracking [23:12] some guy no one knows that still knows all the people that think its "cool" to use the same name over and over for years [23:12] cherife (~cherife@114.251.86.0) joined ##slackware. [23:13] anyway bill gates is certifiable [23:13] Rain (~Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:14] smorkfarmer (matthew@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:14] I don't think we care [23:14] he's just evil, not crazy [23:14] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] very. such a despicable and evil thing to do: provide vaccines [23:15] $10billion worth even [23:15] a good deed with ill gotten gains doesn't undo the latter [23:15] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:15] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:15] Plasmius kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Unauthorized bots are not allowed. [23:15] Rain kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Unauthorized bots are not allowed. [23:16] he didn't steal the money, earned it fair and square [23:16] right. because those gains were earned in an 'evil' way. it's interesting how little it takes to qualify into the evil category these days [23:16] Hmm [23:16] andarius: heh I found a 320GB WD for $115 :) I'm almsot certain the lappy won't see all of that :) [23:16] I wouldn't call Bill Gates evil .. a shrewd and smart businessmen perhaps [23:16] NyteOwl: consider it planning ahead. for when the machine dies or is no use and you want the drive :) [23:17] Bill is the man! [23:17] he is not evil as long as he didn't invent Silverlight [23:17] -.-;;; [23:17] Guest19144 (~root@user-1087244.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:17] hehe [23:17] Rint__ (john@static-71-244-60-125.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:18] beside who wants to rehash all the evil ms has done over the years [23:18] andarius: That's one way to justify it. but it's only 5400rpm and most new lappys are SATA anyway so ... [23:18] portable drive caddy ? [23:18] what's sad is that there are hordes of nerds, who will continue to bash bill gates until he's dead, regardless of how much good his foundation will keep delivering [23:18] Gates is just an amoral opportunist. Balmer now - that's evil :) [23:18] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:19] yeah, carganie tried to buy salvation too [23:19] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:19] lots of robber barons do [23:19] Hell, Steve Jobs isn't any better than gates but you don't often hear 0people ragging on him :) [23:20] no, he's a bit better then gates [23:20] Not by much [23:20] he doesn't pretend to be anything but an apple huckster [23:20] NyteOwl: because bill gates is associated with microsoft, and somehow in the eyes of technology geeks, that's the most evil institution that will ever exist [23:21] joannis (~joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:21] yeah, i wonder where the meme embrace, extend and extinguish came from [23:21] ananke: as a corporate entity MS is certainly not the best ethically, imho. On the other hand they aren't the worst either :) [23:21] NyteOwl: exactly :) [23:21] who is the worst? :-D [23:21] partnering with ms has always been mutually beneficial [23:21] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:22] Exxon, AIG, several otehr insurance, energy and finance oriented companies come to mind [23:22] oh, i was thinking of only tech companies [23:22] Skywise: not if you're a little fish. they usually get eaten [23:23] what about that ibm + ms working on os together incident ? [23:23] i was being sarcastic, they've never been beneficial [23:23] yes OS/2 could have been an MS Windows killer and MS knew it. IBM's total lack of smarts in marketing didn't help [23:24] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:25] How can you get Dolphin to remember smb address passwords? [23:25] cryptic0: you may need kwallet for that [23:26] ananke. does kwallet have to be running everytime then? [23:26] cryptic0: yes [23:27] ok thanks. [23:28] you could call the latest incarnation of sco the evilest tech company [23:29] but they were funded by ms, to keep companies wary of adopting linux, lest they get sued too [23:31] ok, what is the most virtuous company ? [23:31] cherife (~cherife@114.251.86.0) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:31] cherife (~cherife@114.251.86.0) joined ##slackware. [23:32] ananke: I created a new wallet, but after opening a smb share by authenticating, I didn't get a pop up asking if kwallet should store this info. Is kwallet not compatible with dolphin, but only with konqueror? [23:32] confusid (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] cherife (~cherife@114.251.86.0) left irc: Client Quit [23:33] Hello, my video become's slugish and will freeze from time to time. also there is a line that runs threw the screen. Where should I start to debug/fix this? [23:33] Is the line vertical or horizontal? is it colored? [23:33] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ninjas, penguins, lasers, all cool. ninja penguins with lasers, freaking awesome [23:34] horizontal and black [23:34] cryptic0: not sure, i haven't used dolphin that much. you may want to check with #kde folks [23:34] okay [23:34] confusid: Does that line move? [23:34] starts at bottom then goes almost to the top.. 3/4 way's up then disapears [23:35] does rebooting help? [23:35] confusid: Is this an LCD monitor? [23:35] chubs (~chubs@c-71-233-150-243.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] no.. same thing if i reboot or system stay's up for 5 day's [23:35] yes lcd [23:35] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] what's up [23:35] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:36] your weight [23:36] ;D [23:36] DELL E173FP is the one on and up running... there is a 2nd monitor pluged in but I hardly ever turn it on... it is HP w22 [23:37] xorg.conf has the correct settings to run the dell... I removed the 2nd monitor from it earlier today to see if that was the problem [23:37] so flip them around, see if the problem follows the monitor or the machine [23:37] even with a crt it has the same thing.. [23:37] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:38] this is an all in one mb the video is an ati 3200 [23:38] using the RADEONHD driver atm [23:38] did you do anything prior to this happening? :) upgrading xorg/drivers, changing configuration, etc? [23:39] actually, fastest test at this point would be to boot to another os. if the problem follows, you know it's the video card [23:39] it is recent but only have run slack for about 1 month now on this machine.. no upgrade/date of system since i brought it up [23:39] ananke k.. ty [23:40] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:47] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:48] thrice` [23:53] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.25.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:54] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:55] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.19.205.115) joined ##slackware. [23:56] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:56] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:58] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-87-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Fri Feb 5 2010