[00:00] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.68.171) left irc: "Leaving" [00:01] herbert123456 (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-93-233.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [00:06] it seems alot of people don't understand the kde 4 dev cycle [00:07] KDE 4 has it''s own dev cycle? [00:07] Separate from the KDE dev cycle? [00:07] flash043 (n=kvirc@221.158.157.231) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:08] FriedBob, I meant as in that kde 4.0 wasn't supposed have feature parity with kde 3.5 [00:08] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: [00:09] aceofspades19: Interesting - I never would have taken what you said to mean that. [00:10] its alot easier to explain stuff with voice then text [00:10] robertdelahunt (n=robertde@211.180.33.92) joined ##slackware. [00:10] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] For me personally, I've always found text easier. [00:11] Nick change: robertdelahunt -> TwinReverb [00:11] 'ola TwinReverb [00:12] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.244) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:12] flash043 (n=kvirc@221.158.157.231) joined ##slackware. [00:12] hola [00:13] does anyone else find this article to lack common sense http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3966373/Alternative-health-capital-turns-its-negative-energy-on-pioneering-wi-fi-system.html [00:13] so far i love and mate mac, but mostly love [00:13] er hate [00:13] I love mine. [00:13] keyboard action still pisses me off. what, do they want us to get carpal? [00:13] I wouldn't trade my PowerBook for anything - except maybe a G5 PowerBook to replace the G4 in mine. [00:14] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] however, i have never seen a more perfect OS than OS X [00:14] hmmm [00:15] i should try out this "x" [00:15] lol [00:15] TwinReverb: And if you miss the Linux tools in CLI, very easy to add via macports, darwin, Gentoo or finks [00:15] Darwin nathan-fentons-macbook.local 9.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.6.0: Mon Nov 24 17:37:00 PST 2008; root:xnu-1228.9.59~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 i386 [00:15] yeah i have xterm already and rsync [00:15] I have always found OSX to not be customizable enough for me [00:15] finks and finch pissed me off though so i am using yahoo messenger's own client for OS X and Skype [00:16] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: "pre-defined quit message" [00:16] transmission is a kewl torrent client ... [00:16] I have iChat for AIM, Yahoo! for Yahoo w/ Video, and also Adium (native version of Pidgin) [00:16] TwinReverb: you having trouble connecting to Yahoo's servers ? [00:16] I haven't used transmission, I use Tomato [00:16] foureyes779: no i had trouble finding the @#$ download for finch so i gave up [00:16] And CyberDuck for FTP, macirssi for IRC [00:17] yeah i like macirssi [00:17] and dashboard reminds me of my gdesklets days [00:17] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:17] TwinReverb: ah, ok. I was having trouble connecting with Pidgin, till I found that if you type in the IP address instead of the server name, it will connect [00:17] Growl is rather handy as well [00:17] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [00:18] i couldn't find the screenshot however for my gdesklet days in xfce [00:18] i had "dashboard" before there was such a thing :D [00:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:18] I have some random screen shots up at http://silenceisdefeat.com/~friedbob [00:20] FriedBob, what version of OSX is that? [00:20] I think they are all 10.4, but one or two may have been from when I ran 10.3 [00:21] I never really could justify the cost of 10.5 on my system [00:22] how many macs do you got? [00:22] intelmacs [00:22] none. [00:22] I refuse to buy wannabe macs. [00:23] I do, however, own one of the last real macs ever made. [00:23] all PPC? [00:23] Yeah [00:23] I only have one, a 12" 1.5ghz G4 PowerBook [00:23] so no more new OS X for you [00:23] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:23] 10.4 works perfectly for what I need. [00:24] slackintosh! [00:24] Waste of a Mac [00:24] or an improvement [00:24] I run Slack on this machine here, a 700mhz Celeron and Windows on my AMD64 3200+ system. [00:24] depending if you like OS X or not [00:24] I have an old G3 running slacknitosh [00:24] it came with OS 9 though [00:25] I like OS X, but I don't like it enough to buy a mactel. [00:25] i finally got a flash stick large enough to hold all of -current [00:26] 17 bucks in a retail store for 8GB [00:26] ya crazy huh [00:26] Nice. [00:26] I haven't seen many 16 gb flash drives in stores [00:27] fry's has them [00:27] they have up to 64GB [00:27] how much is a 64 gb stick? [00:27] they are like $100? [00:27] i didn't even look but i'd say around 100-150 [00:27] I need one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/drives/ab63 [00:27] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] it would be sweet to have a 1 tb flash drive [00:28] but a bit unnessecary [00:28] lol [00:28] if Windows would support multiple partitions on a flash device it would be nice [00:28] they really need to fix that non-sense [00:28] it doesn't? [00:28] thats pretty sad [00:28] Too bad those only come in 2gb size. :/ [00:29] what file system would you use on a 64 gb flashdrive anyways? [00:29] ext3 [00:30] ext3 and fat32 [00:30] i mean ntfs for windows [00:30] windows has severe limitations. [00:30] yep [00:30] Windows *IS* severe limitation. [00:30] weak sauce limitations that should be fixed [00:30] nullboy: preachin to the choir lol [00:31] If y'all the choir, why don't I hear music? [00:31] i would usually format my USB drives as XFS or something else more "linux" but they'd have issues on hal and on windows [00:31] Oh wait, speakers aren't hooked up. [00:31] windows should first support some decent FS like XFS, ReiserFS, and JFS at least in read-only mode [00:32] it really bugs me how windows supports almost no fileystems natively [00:32] There are drivers and mods to let you read and write ext2 and ext3 in Windows. [00:32] it should first acknowledge the existence of other operating systems :P [00:32] Shrp_: Blasphemy! [00:32] then support NTFS without the ownership bit for USB devices (simply because some of those don't need user IDs due to it being a USB stick and used for everything, but because FAT32 isn't as nice) [00:32] lol and not wipe the mbr blindly [00:32] however, mac os x should soon get XFS, JFS, and ReiserFS support [00:32] FAT based filesystems are annoying [00:33] and i would hope that they would give the info to linux people so that we can also use HFS+, even to install linux if we wanted [00:33] aceofspades19: Such a perfect lead in for a "yo momma" joke there. [00:33] lol [00:33] if i had the ability to install slackware on top of an HFS+ FS i would do it without a second thought [00:34] mainly because i like how HFS+ has more timestamp options than most other Linux FS (but i'd have to consult the chart again) [00:35] Seeing the destruction I have done to my neighbor and his ability to defend himself and also counter attack makes me smile. [00:35] FriedBob: say that again? heh [00:36] thumbs: I've knocked his walls down, killed all his troops - over and over again, and just now knocked his barracks down to L1. In half an hour, gonna hit again and see if I can turn them to rubble, then go back to trashing his farm and plundering his warehouse. But given that he hasn't even tried to rebuild, I suspect he has already given up hope. [00:37] ah a video game [00:37] Browser game. [00:37] we were talking windows vs mac vs linux and we were like "uh..." [00:37] Not really any video to it. [00:37] TwinReverb: I know, that was intentional. [00:37] i had visions of nmap and various hacks [00:38] oh well afk [00:38] I thought you physically broke down his belongings [00:38] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:38] Killed his body guards too [00:39] you're very cruel [00:39] Thank you. [00:39] thumbs: I actually earned a nickname in this game from the creativity and cruelty of my punishment ideas. [00:40] FriedBob: haha [00:40] The Duchess of my tribe gave me the title of Examiner and Executioner. [00:40] My village is named Sade, and my Paladin named The Marquis de Sade. [00:41] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] does anyone know a way to make udev name USB disks anything *except* sdb ? [00:41] nullboy: when you format them give them a labal [00:41] er label [00:41] nullboy: Beat udev with a stick? [00:42] TwinReverb: that doesn't work because not every disk i plug into my laptop is mine [00:42] oh udev? the /dev node you mean? uh ... you'd have to create a rule and even then it would only result in it putting a /dev alias for the device such as how /dev/cdrom points to /dev/hdc or whatever [00:42] nullboy: but almost all have a label, or at least yours do [00:42] and me, i'm the kind of person that would tell my friends to label their @#$ drives in some way [00:43] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] most mine had a label DELAHUNT512 or DELAHUNT2GB etc [00:43] are you the kind of person who works in free lance IT and can see any number of configurations? [00:43] i work for military: we must all use windows :( [00:43] heck if i had the capability and was in your shoes, i'd label their drives FOR them lol [00:43] that is not an option.... [00:43] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [00:44] oh well, wish i could be of help there [00:44] well, maybe you can go vandalize some store display computers, and then brag about it [00:44] :P [00:44] danc3: I got a response from that embroidery site. [00:45] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [00:45] oh yeah? I didn't use a real email address [00:45] Couple of them, cause he didn't read the ticket close enough the first time. [00:45] anything interesting? [00:45] ok. im back in buisness. I just re-installed slackware [00:45] i have no sympathy for an OS that can't defend itself, and i'm actually glad i tested that out because from now on it's an additional thing on my list of reasons why i tell people to not buy vista, or otherwise to use linux or mac os x instead of vista [00:45] TwinReverb: yeah whatever [00:46] the kiddie/kewl channel is over there -----------------> [00:46] i thought that this topic was shutdown [00:46] it is. [00:46] apparently some people can't live or breathe without insulting others [00:46] Action: TwinReverb shrugs and goes to take a shower [00:46] danc3: drop the discussion [00:46] already did [00:46] Not at first, cause he thought I was saying this guy was spamming THEIR forums. But after my response to that, I got another response. [00:46] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [00:47] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:47] He apologized for the first response, then said they didn't intend for people to get poits and such via spam and that he had contacted the account holder. Whether or not anyting comes of it.. [00:47] it makes me think though: BSD has such fork bomb protection (last i checked) but i've never tested it on mac os x [00:47] hehe, cool. [00:47] since my friend is letting me borrow his mac, i could test it out in a little bit [00:48] Linux has fork protection too [00:48] slackware does not have such protection out of the box, but you can add it [00:48] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:48] i'm curious if mac os x inherited BSD's fork bomb protection [00:48] man ulimit [00:48] One way to find out. [00:48] yeah i already did that. you were the one who told me how to add it to slackware, remember? :) [00:49] no, didn't remember that [00:50] sopas (n=souphead@120.28.172.237) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:51] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [00:52] when installing nvidia driver, do i install the nvidia kernel first before the driver? [00:52] eh? [00:53] or does it matter? [00:53] you just install the nvidia driver (*.run script) from the nvidia website [00:53] don't know what an "nvidia kernel" is [00:53] im using sbopkg [00:53] ah i see what the problem was now. this laptop support 2 sata harddrives and disk #2 is in a warm swappable bay. if i warmswap the disk out and then plug in a USB flash device the system makes the USB flash device take sdbX (sda is the main system disk). fstab has an entry for sdb and that causes a permission denied. [00:53] it's all good now, i can use a UUID in fstab for the warmswap disk [00:53] vinnie_: dunno, never used that [00:53] nullboy: Makes sense. [00:56] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [00:56] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [00:56] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:57] ls -alh /dev/disk/by-uuid/* [00:57] damn it [00:59] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.205.55) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:00] yep that fixed it [01:00] Nick change: Bugz__ -> Bugz [01:01] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.91.230) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.91.230) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Action: FriedBob breaks out the Ensure and passes a can to Old_Fogie [01:02] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello the channel [01:02] :D FriedBob [01:03] How goes? [01:03] oh pretty good thank you [01:03] back on Slack 12.1 now tho. [01:03] Oh? [01:03] I still haven't gotten around to tryign 12.2 [01:04] yes, can't build kde (even on stock system, dunno why) but need to rebuild kde for my modified slack (which dont work either) so..12.1 it is. [01:04] thor (n=thor@213.91.167.13) joined ##slackware. [01:04] Sucks. [01:05] agreed. [01:05] how does it bail out? [01:05] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [01:05] MacGuyver (n=macguyve@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [01:05] and since I'm probably the only slacker (other than gnome for slack devs/projects) the failing to build or even consider build of kde on slack proper isn't a bridge commonly crossed..so I've got no choice at this time [01:06] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:06] pssh [01:06] i've rebuilt 12.2's kdebase and kdeadmin [01:06] well who would recomp kde 3 less you needed to [01:06] where is it bailing out for you [01:06] kdelibs [01:07] i'll try to rebuild that [01:07] one sec [01:07] nullboy, basically...run Mr. V's "KDE.SlackBuild" in top dir of /source/kde...wait a bit and it just fails (and I do have jdk from /extra on board as that is needed) [01:08] haha you should've seen yesterday. my mac friend is borrowing my slackware. the funny thing is that i set him up for kde and he followed the directions on kpersonalizer. presented then with kde's version of mac look, he barfed lol [01:08] but set him up with xfce in default themes and look (i.e. first boot) and he loved it [01:09] I'm not a kde fan (as a DE) but many of the apps I use, and certainly many 3rd party apps need the kdebase and kdelibs to build, and I can't get them to go. [01:09] Old_Fogie: did you try executing the kdelibs SlackBuild by itself? [01:09] xfce is my main chocie too [01:09] nullboy, no [01:09] s/chocie/shoice [01:09] er sed fail [01:10] Old_Fogie: does it even start to compile for you? [01:11] i just ran the kdelibs slackbuild by itself and it's building [01:11] nullboy, the error's I get are samba related, and I suspect that maybe the CVE uupgraded samba (which has been added to slack proper) may have broke kdelibs..but I cant say for certina, Im not dev [01:11] nullboy, oh it runs...it starts to build...then opens a can of fail on me [01:11] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:11] i'll let this go and see where it bails [01:11] it runs for me for about 10-20 min on an 1800 mhz box [01:12] i'm on a 1.83 core duo [01:12] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-52-255-109.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] nice boxen there :) [01:12] poor laptop hates me [01:12] all this does is run compiles [01:12] heh, same here [01:14] I'm slowly having to find more and more console apps, since I"m spending less and less time at home [01:14] sad [01:15] redtricycle: that's good, CLI makes you look really busy..even if it is only ls -alhR / [01:15] Question, is there a download to making your initial group other and users, and adding users to your secondary groups? [01:15] For example, [01:15] I put my main user under the group "work" [01:15] and then I put users as extra groups [01:16] I did it so everything I make is ini the group "work" [01:16] A download? [01:16] downside* [01:16] sorry o_O [01:16] Just checking. :) [01:16] TwinReverb (n=robertde@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/" [01:16] I liky console ,seems like I move faster doing thing , just me? [01:16] So, is there a downside? [01:16] It seems okay so far [01:16] m0nik3r: I don't even have X installed. [01:16] as everything is chowned as redtricycle:work [01:16] redtricycle: Known I know of [01:16] instea dof redtricycle:users [01:17] redtricycle: only downside i can think of is if you can't figure out a problem that is group membership related lol [01:17] Okay, good ;) [01:17] nice dude [01:17] lynx for browsing? [01:17] m0nik3r: No, FF or Safari on my Winbox or my Mac. [01:17] FriedBob: what kind of hardware? [01:17] m0nik3r: no, i dont use console based browsers [01:17] b/c I putty into my box at home [01:17] This system is a 700mhz Celeron [01:18] and just use Firefox and the windows laptop [01:18] redtricycle: i know a few guys in here use the "other" user.group method where each user is initially a member of a group with the same name as the user, ie: nullboy:nullboy [01:18] nullboy: I've seen alot of admins adopting that practice, as well [01:19] it has its goods and bads, i personally like it [01:19] things like ftp and samba can really benefit from it [01:20] why just console, on the Celeron? [01:20] ah.. [01:20] cool [01:20] I don't like X [01:20] Old_Fogie: PHAIL [01:20] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/8809 [01:20] nullboy, using nullboy:nullboy a good scenario for husband wife on same pc [01:20] Even when I ran Slack on an AMD64 I didn't run X [01:20] nullboy, Mr. V emailed me back possible workaround..gonna test it let you know [01:20] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:20] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] but you like windows? [01:21] Old_Fogie: cool thanks, i'm going for a walk down the pier now. back later [01:21] Old_Fogie: what does the workaround entail ? [01:21] nullboy, it's not samba tho fwiw.. [01:21] m0nik3r: No, I don't like Windows. I use it for some things. [01:21] are its kind of requiered for shit? [01:21] aah, k [01:21] like i said requiered for some shit [01:21] i see [01:21] rk4n3, nullboy bbiab will keep ya posted...and yes nullboy that's the same error I get too [01:22] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:22] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:23] my box is my everything right now so ....flubox with all libs to run anything if I need. wish I didnt kill windows so soon , my phone >WM6 [01:23] ah well , whatever [01:23] i'm getting the gspca error on this page but trying what he did doesnt help at all, any suggestions? webcam worked fine before i upgraded to 12.2 :S [01:23] flash043 (n=kvirc@221.158.157.231) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:23] i_is_cat: 404 [01:24] tscrowell (n=timcrowe@ip68-224-4-238.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] weird... [01:24] you didn't even paste it [01:24] lol [01:24] http://tinyurl.com/92vfad [01:25] oh ya heh you know you smoke too much when.. [01:25] we're sorry, your call did not go through [01:25] exactly [01:26] its really weird tho.. never had an issue with the gspca driver before and now it just keeps giving me that error [01:32] how can i flush the dns ? [01:33] nvmd [01:34] thor (n=thor@213.91.167.13) left irc: "leaving" [01:34] there is not such thing as flushing the dns on a linux system unless you are running a nameserver or nscd [01:34] i bet you were looking for something like ipconfig /flushdns [01:35] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.234) joined ##slackware. [01:35] lol [01:38] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.244) joined ##slackware. [01:47] nullboy: that workaround is mentioned in C&H for 12.2 iirc [01:47] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:48] hmm... making my machine name server and webserver sounds nice [01:51] haha - I love babelfish: $ compact disc libv4l-0.5.7 [01:52] herbert123456 (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-93-233.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:54] if you are running bind as only a caching nameserver, 'rndc flush' is your ipconfig /flushdns [02:00] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] MacGuyver (n=macguyve@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "bye" [02:00] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [02:04] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [02:06] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:07] i looked up deluge on slackbuilds.org, and it says it requires libboost, but the only thing boost related on the slackbuilds site is these 2 packages..'boost, and boost-bindings' which one do i use? [02:07] my right side of the spacebar on my 8 yr old laptop decides to start its dieing process [02:08] vinnie_, that would be it IIRC. [02:08] The Boost libraries. [02:08] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:08] thanx [02:08] The author should also state which is required. [02:08] Usually it's just the libraries you want (and not the bindings), but the documentation should shed some light. [02:09] the author should probably update the readme then [02:11] ›››› [02:12] sry, switching workspaces hit esc key [02:12] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [02:13] how do I know which version of python is on my system? [02:15] ls /var/log/packages | grep python [02:15] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [02:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [02:17] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:19] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-58.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.244) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [02:20] Dominian: thanx [02:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.234) joined ##slackware. [02:21] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] np [02:25] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "leaving" [02:28] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-224.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[02:38] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:38] thats dumb [02:39] lol [02:39] well that's a bummer [02:41] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:41] as always, it depends on how "popular" is defined ... [02:43] poll : vim or emacs , i know ,i know .just vote right here for me. [02:43] neither :) [02:43] ed [02:43] kedit lol [02:44] my vote goes to vim [02:44] windows notebook in wine ? [02:44] i know you all secretally use kedit [02:44] tbh ive never used emacs. vi/vims always done anything ive needed [02:44] mc and pico/nano always did everything i needed [02:45] Paranoid Linux [02:45] any1 heard of that distro? [02:45] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFFEB9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:46] muxer, nope, it's not even on distrowatch.com [02:46] esom (n=enigma@222.172.214.167) joined ##slackware. [02:46] aranoid Linux is an operating system that assumes that its operator is under assault from the government (it was intended for use by Chinese and Syrian dissidents), and it does everything it can to keep your communications and documents a secret. It even throws up a bunch [02:46] of "chaff" communications that ae supposed to disguise the fact that you're doing anything covert. So while you're receiving a .political message one character at a time [02:46] hi, Virtualbox, VMware, which is better? [02:46] virtualbox [02:46] ive heard of something like that. may have been tinfoil hat linux though [02:47] muxer: why [02:48] it has more letters in its name [02:48] :P [02:48] its open source [02:48] muxer: i've tried both, all of them runs fast [02:48] its open source ^ [02:48] arktvrvs: http://paranoidlinux.org/ [02:48] Action: rk4n3 wonders is "chaff communications" is code for botnet traffic [02:48] muxer: cool~ [02:50] muxer: but performance is the most significant aspect i concern for the moment. [02:50] i dont know, i prefer virtualbox anyway =] [02:50] nullboy: the fcntl.c errors [02:51] which one is free? [02:51] gnu [02:51] serious question , i know nothing of them [02:51] Channel flood from m0nik3r -- kicking [02:51] better how? [02:51] m0nik3r kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:52] m0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-63f106da132ef143) joined ##slackware. [02:53] I was "flooding" ? 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[03:53] Good night boys and girls and Force [03:54] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=optimus@201.20.64.142) left irc: Client Quit [03:55] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:56] arktvrvs (n=stygian@omg.its.karibyron.brbfap.in) left irc: "leaving" [03:59] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [04:00] i want to compile a kernel for an old pc on faster one. How could i do that? What files i need to copy over, and where are they located? [04:07] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.68.246) joined ##slackware. [04:08] ftp://slackware.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/source/k/kernel-generic/ and ftp://slackware.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/source/k/kernel-modules/kernel-modules.SlackBuild will show you what you need [04:09] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:10] nullboy: thx [04:10] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:10] has anyone installed the compiz packages from slackbuild? [04:11] yeah [04:11] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] i am getting hung up at ccsm [04:11] Bugz__ (n=Bugz@75.42.69.6) joined ##slackware. [04:12] the last few lines end up http://pastebin.com/m734d7861 [04:13] did you install compizconfig-python? [04:13] yup [04:13] tscrowell (n=timcrowe@ip68-224-4-238.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: [04:14] that is the output of the .SlackBuild for ccsm, which looks like its a problem with python itself doesn't it? [04:15] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn172.78-99-117.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [04:17] Sertse (n=Sertse@c122-106-109-3.rivrw6.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[04:33] duue [04:33] Baisuoklis: i have the super easy way [04:33] i'm having a bit of trouble getting 5.1 audio working with my audigy 2 zs [04:33] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-58.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:33] atm i only get audio from the front left/right speakers [04:34] and when i run the 6 channel speaker test, if i mute 'front' (with kmix) the sound for front left and front right speakers goes to the center one [04:34] and if i mute center and front, it goes to the rear right/left [04:35] arktvrvs (n=stygian@arktvrvs.irc.su) joined ##slackware. [04:35] configure your kernel and then in the top level kernel source tree (ex: /usr/src/linux) run 'make tar-pkg' instead of just make. that will build the kernel and great a tarball of the modules, the kernel, the config and System.map in /usr/src/linux/ [04:35] that makes it damn easy [04:36] great/create [04:38] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/8813 [04:39] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:41] arktvrvs (n=stygian@arktvrvs.irc.su) left ##slackware. [04:43] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:49] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [04:52] tribeca (n=vedo@host52-14-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:52] nullboy: omg thats uber easy [04:52] thx man [04:55] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.194.226) joined ##slackware. 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[05:32] spx2: because your second card is inferior [05:32] what are you plugging them into etc [05:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:33] if its a smart switch, and you plug both cards into it, and are routing between eth0 and eth1, the switch will drop one/both ports to stop a routing loop [05:34] jescisp2s: ? [05:34] jescisp2s: inferior as in ? [05:34] Al_Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] Al_Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) joined ##slackware. [05:34] spx2: do you know what network card models they both are? [05:35] spook_: yes I know [05:35] can you share this information? [05:36] spook_: I'm not at that machine right now, what do you mean by network card models ? the series and vendor etc ? [05:36] spx2: j/k with you, trying to be light about it. [05:37] spx2: yes, are they intel? realtek? [05:37] are they rtl3something cards? [05:37] could somebody point me at a website/channel where i could get some advice on buying a new laptop hdd please? [05:37] spook_: realtek [05:37] anyone knows why acpid hangs at boot time for 3 or so seconds? [05:37] spx2: 100mbit? [05:38] spook_: yes [05:38] Baisuoklis: check the startup scripts, theres probally a sleep 3 in there [05:38] spx2: are they rtl31xx ? [05:38] spook_: yes [05:39] spx2: those are possibly the worse network cards to ever exist. [05:39] they use the cpu instead of doing things themself [05:40] i imagine trying to use both will cause problems. [05:40] if you swap one of them for something else, like an intel card i imagine your problems might magically disappear [05:40] spook_: I have 2 cpus on that machine...I'm not sure if that's the problem,someone suggested the problem might be some weird routes [05:40] spook_: or some card overwriting the routes of the other card [05:41] when you say "eth0 stops working" what do you mean? [05:42] I have internet connection on eth0 [05:43] when I plug a cable in eth1 , my internet connection on eth0 stops working [05:43] where are you plugging the other end of the cable? [05:44] spook_: in the air [05:44] nowhere [05:44] obnauticus (n=lol@c-71-236-130-104.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:44] oh I do sorry [05:44] in some other computer [05:45] internet <-eth0 [05:45] spx2: you need to give us/me alot more information. where does eth0 go? whats this other computer running? dhcp etc [05:45] eth1 <- some other computer [05:45] the other computer is not configured at all [05:45] it is totally unconfigured [05:46] before you plug in eth1, type "route -n" and save the output, then after you plug it in do it again and compare. [05:50] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [05:52] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [05:55] spx2 (n=stefan@89.37.70.172) left irc: "leaving" [05:58] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [05:58] chode (n=chode@212.233.143.100) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFFEB9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:59] chode (n=chode@212.233.143.100) left irc: Client Quit [06:05] morning, any opinions on slacktrack or checkinstall (if that is still updated)? I wonder if it is usable if you build a lot from source? [06:05] TwinReverb (n=robertde@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:06] chb: what are those? [06:06] i use checkinstall from time to time with --fstrans=no [06:07] spook_» watches "make install" and creates packages when you install from source [06:07] checkinstall -S --pkgrelease=checkinstall --fstrans=no [06:07] thats what i use [06:07] SiegeX» hmm I stopped using checkinstall when I read there where problems with binutils - that was with 12 I think [06:08] the fstrans fixes the problem when it wouldnt work [06:08] not hard to make a slackbuild :) [06:09] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:09] hmm I would need to write a buildscript for every thing I install or is there a faster way? [06:11] chb: slackbuilds.org is good choice in my book (can also use an app called 'sbopkg' along with it to manage builds/installs from SBo) [06:11] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [06:13] chb: only takes like 30 minutes to write a slackbuild, then you can submit to slackbuilds.org to save others the trouble [06:14] is php installed on a fresh slackware 12.2? [06:14] true - I should really look into that [06:15] jescisp2s: yes if you didnt use custom install of some form and deselect it [06:16] jescisp2s: yes and no. you need to enable it in httpd.conf [06:17] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:19] BodyG (n=none@190.55.75.230) joined ##slackware. [06:20] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:20] spook_: how's that? the include directive close to the bottom? [06:21] yes [06:21] that is commented out by default [06:21] oh ok [06:21] do I have to create a user/group php? [06:22] no [06:22] Action: jescisp2s is trying to get phpMyAdmin to work. [06:22] it runs same as apache, because frankly, its IS apache (its a module) [06:24] check php.ini [06:24] setup mysql? [06:26] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:26] esthar (n=esthar@student165-92.hampshire.edu) joined ##slackware. [06:27] hey is there a mobile processor that is clearly better than the others? [06:27] if i want performance and battery life and don't care what brand it is? [06:27] TwinReverb: define better, define mobile [06:27] (but it needs to work well with linux) [06:28] mobile: 4hr battery life or higher, frequency scaling [06:28] intel atom. [06:28] battery life is a function of the battery. [06:28] better: fast and powerful enough for linux and vista, but only because i might boot vista maybe once lol [06:28] battery will be 6 cell or higher [06:28] well battery and how fast the machine consumes it [06:28] almost every new notebook has a batterie life of >4h [06:28] eeepc901 [06:29] thing with almost every notebook is, that even if the cpu is power efficient, the chipsets etc usually aren't. [06:29] acer aspire one does 2 hrs (stock battery) - dont know if that thing can run vista, it has an XP model tho. it has an upgraded battery that costs extra [06:30] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:31] eeepc 901 has 1.6ghz intel atom cpu, intel 945gme graphics, 6 cell battery for about 5 hours battery life with the wireless on. [06:31] well let me put it this way: processor needs to have a max clock speed of 2GHz or higher, but must support scaling (and the one that, in the slowest clock speed, that uses the least amount of power is the winner) [06:32] can anyone compare the equivalent amd modile laptop processor that has scaling and is dual core to the intel core 2 duo 2ghz for me? [06:32] i ask because i have no clue [06:32] yes it's at http://letmecompareshopthatforyou.com/core2vs2ghz-mobile-and-atom-alike [06:32] TwinReverb: the cpu is largely irrelevant, as the chipset is going to use the most power. [06:32] :) [06:32] are either of them better supported by glibc/gcc/kernel? [06:33] no, i already googled, and no, i dont want atom. it must be dual core, scaling-capable, and dual core [06:33] TwinReverb: better supported? they use a standardised instruction set [06:33] well i'm just asking [06:33] come on guys, i know all the other info: what i want is experiences and opinions. i have google and i am searching right now (but thanks for reminding me) [06:33] TwinReverb: you basically described almost any of the dell laptops [06:34] or compaq/hp [06:34] yeah there's not a lot of choice in laptops [06:35] where the difference comes in is the hard drives, ram , video sound ; they darn near all got core 2duo models out, [06:36] damn, how can i make a symlink to dir on ntfs partition [06:36] ntfs supports symlinks? [06:36] i'm trying to do this: http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/share-opera-settings-between-windows-linux [06:36] thinkpad [06:37] nope, symlink from xfs to ntfs [06:37] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:37] and i get : [06:37] Baisuoklis: um, ok, let's ask differently: what are you trying to do and why? [06:37] ln -s /windows/Documents\ and\ Settings/ and Settings/Administrator/Application Data/Opera/Opera/profile/keyboard keyboard [06:37] ln: target `keyboard' is not a directory [06:38] Old_Fogie: so from 2ghz amd to 2ghz intel core 2 duo there really isn't a worthwhile difference? [06:38] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:38] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:38] TwinReverb: i want to share setting between my opera installs on slack and windblows [06:38] Baisuoklis: keyboard is not a directory [06:38] TwinReverb: I never said that [06:38] you mean me? [06:39] so i should create one ~.opera? [06:39] Old_Fogie: i didn't say you said it, i asked if that is true [06:39] TwinReverb: well if money no object, I'd go core2duo in a heartbeat [06:40] TwinReverb: checkout tomshardwareguide they have some good benches there TwinReverb [06:40] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [06:40] money is an option but yeah tom's hardware is one of the search results; it's in the browser tab queue waiting my reading :S [06:41] TwinReverb: you might want to check wikipedia, they have quite comprehensive lists of cpus, including power usage and virtualisation extensions... [06:41] TwinReverb: yeah 'hardoc' .. 'oc' as in overclock I found a good site too for stuff like that [06:41] spook_: thanks bro [06:41] sorry i don't overclock [06:42] TwinReverb: didn't ask you to, but if you want good raw data to compare, its' a good site [06:42] nah it's cool i was only saying it [06:42] it was just a generic statement [06:42] i know that not all sites called *oc.com are going to be about just overclocking [06:43] usually you also find good stuff on those sites too [06:43] you dont overclock laptops :P but overclockers generally know their stuff, good source of semi reliable information [06:43] yes [06:43] and even if not due to knowledge, due to "been there done that" [06:49] GuGa_r0x (n=abuse@62-101-65-23.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-142-207.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:55] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [06:56] anyone remember how to use email to text someone using a T-Mobile account? phonenumber@t-mobile.net ? [06:57] never sent a text message that way, good idea though [06:58] TwinReverb: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/939/sms_email_cingular_nextel_sprint_tmobile_verizon_virgin/ [06:59] dangit you guys always find it on google before i do [06:59] your google-fu is strong [06:59] Action: TwinReverb bows [06:59] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:59] text messages are more expensive that data traffic to hubble [07:00] akshat (n=akshat@59.178.171.148) joined ##slackware. [07:00] hi [07:00] yup, and i think the cellphone providers are going to get in trouble for it [07:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host234-44-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:02] probally not [07:02] what i would like to see is cellphones have a FRS radio feature, so if you have a friend with that feature too and you are both at a shopping mall or somewhere big you can keep in contact without using the cellphone service [07:03] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [07:03] frs is like those gmrs (low power two-way radio) [07:04] sticks (n=hyperion@ppp118-208-75-35.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:04] hey, i have a usb keyboard and mouse attached on a dg33fbc motherboard from intel. the keyboard does not respond during bootup and i can't even enter BIOS. it works once the OS is loaded. wake from suspend does not work as the keyboard is not in working state when the OS is not awake. even the mouse(USB) cannot wake the system. i want to know if not-waking up from a USB mouse event is normal. [07:04] i have tried all options in BIOS such as USB legay etc.. [07:05] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:05] *legacy [07:05] try one of those usb to ps/2 thingies [07:05] hmm, how old is this intel motherboard akshat? [07:05] its new [07:05] just got it in feb [07:05] its based on the g33 chipset rom intel [07:06] thats odd, that motherboard should give you keyboard functions before post finishes [07:06] yes [07:06] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [07:07] Pig_Pen: you have a USB mouse? [07:08] i have a usb mouse with one of those usb to ps2 adapters, but my keyboard is plugged in to the usb, i can access post or select other OSs with the arrow key [07:08] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:08] acceess the BIOS* [07:11] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [07:11] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-142-207.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:11] hmm.. [07:11] heh [07:11] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-142-207.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:12] have you tried the mouse on USB? [07:12] akshat: i would suggest getting a PS2 keyboard to get in to the BIOS and see what usb options you can change, you might be able to get your usb keyboard to function better [07:12] no [07:12] ok [07:12] Pig_Pen: i told you that i have tried all USB options in the BIOS. [07:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:13] try putting your mouse on the PS2 with an adapter maybe it will clear up your keyboard issue [07:13] the keyboard is an apple USB keyboard. i don't want to replace it [07:13] Pig_Pen: great idea [07:13] i'll try that [07:13] :) [07:14] but i'll have to reboot for that [07:14] :( [07:14] any ideas before i reboot [07:14] akshat: what kind of bios u have? [07:14] pupit: what do you mean by kind? [07:15] its the latest intel update [07:15] if that is what you want [07:15] phoenix bios or....? [07:15] intel.. [07:15] Phoenix and American Megatrends are the two major brands [07:15] yeah.. my old comp had phoenix [07:15] Pig_Pen: thanks [07:16] i coldnt remember.. [07:16] so akshat, type of bios? [07:16] does anyone with USB mouse have a wake-up from suspend problem? [07:16] pupit: intel [07:17] TwinReverb (n=robertde@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Computer has gone to sleep" [07:17] pupit: its an intel original motherboard and the BIOS is also done by intel [07:17] so i see.... [07:17] Phoenix are the ones that wanted to get in bed with microsoft with that "Trusted computing" thing, possibly making it so no OS would boot unless it was windows, i guess since Linux and other *nixes were getting popular they either thought it was a bad idea [07:18] heh [07:18] moreover if they did that then the open source BIOSes coming up would win the market [07:19] nobody would want to go up with a tied system [07:19] yep [07:19] akshat, relocate the usb mosue jack in to another port... that the issue... ther is no current in that when it goes down.. ;) [07:19] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.194.226) left irc: "Leaving" [07:19] pupit: no, it does have current... the led is on [07:20] could you imagine the angry Linux users on messageboards when their new motherboard would not work because of some crap included in the BIOS? [07:20] which led? [07:20] the mouse led [07:20] its an optical mouse [07:20] akshat, is it possible that it is a kernel issue? [07:21] no. it works when linux is loaded [07:21] josemanuel (n=josemanu@67.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:21] or for that matter any OS [07:21] i'm tied.. [07:21] even windows works [07:22] well if windows works, the it is in system some bug... isnt it? [07:22] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:22] thats some logic for me... [07:22] its before any OS is loaded, i tend to think it is the BIOS, but since it is an Apple keyboard it is possible it could be the keyboard, maybe try it with a different (non-apple) usb keyboard [07:22] ashat, i had the same problem with intel graphics card... didn't find a fix for it though i found some answers on google [07:23] this was under ubuntu btw [07:23] some signals hang when u want to wake up... [07:23] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:23] 80 meters is full of static noise this morning [07:25] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:26] :"ona se budi": [07:29] the keyboard works on an older intel chipset used on an asus mobo [07:29] 915gl chipset to be specific [07:29] but i like Pig_Pen's idea of trying the mouse on ps/2 [07:29] it is the kernel issue.. [07:30] pupit: how can it be a kernel issue if the kernel is still not loaded [07:30] Bairp (i=Yjolod@m213-102-5-184.cust.tele2.lt) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Pig_Pen: 40M was a mess earlier also [07:30] its before any OS boots, he cant even access the BIOS before post finishes [07:30] oooooo [07:30] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [07:31] sorry [07:31] try a different keyboard ? [07:31] the propigation is good on 80, just noisy [07:31] since the OS loads the drivers for the keyboard, but the BIOS is not recognizing it [07:31] propagation* (spell check) [07:31] foureyes779: as i mentioned before.. the ps/2 keyboard works but i want to know it the mobo is bad so i can replace it while i still have time [07:32] on 400M it was poopoogation [07:32] well, a quick test with a DIFFERENT keyboard would certainly answer the question now, would'nt it ? [07:33] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [07:33] 40 is decent here this morning, i can hear thunder storms way off in the distance though [07:33] foureyes779: you mean a different USb keyboard, right? [07:34] yes,, a non-apple usb keyboard [07:34] woah - 31 seconds to boot this box [07:34] foureyes779: i can't get hold of any nearby .. but i have that on my mind.. thanks [07:34] hmm, what are the odd's that an INTEL MoBo with an intel bios is not going to recognize an Apple keyboard ? [07:34] go to the local Goddwill/ 2ns hand store and pick up a cheap 1 for 3 bucks. [07:35] Apple motherboards dont have a BIOS like an x86 PC does [07:35] maybe my particular mobo is problematic.. [07:35] akshat, load it without a keyboard... then, plug it in while it loads.. [07:35] Pig_Pen: they have EFI. which is a superset of BIOS (just an expression, not literally) [07:36] and dance puppet dance... [07:36] heh [07:36] :D [07:36] pupit: but that would not help since it works once the OS boot starts [07:36] when i bought this motherboard it would not use a IDE PATA harddrive as a bootable drive with an installed OS on it, i had to get a sata drive just to get it to finish post and allow me to install an OS on it [07:36] Pig_Pen: hehe :) [07:37] i don't know why such wierd problems come into being [07:37] akshat: i dont have any clue how it will work, just try some simple solutions... [07:37] akshat: it is writen! [07:37] son't the guys making these test it before marketing them [07:37] njathan (n=navinjat@203.115.79.144) joined ##slackware. [07:37] always go for the obvious stuff first [07:37] it has both pata and sata ports, so i now use a sata harddrive and pata cdrom & dvdburner drives [07:37] hmm.. [07:38] they should test them, but occasionally a lemon slips by QC [07:38] thanks a lot you guys.. i'll reboot with the mouse on ps/2 and see if it helps [07:38] thanks fr all the suggestions [07:38] *for [07:39] a watermelon p_p... [07:39] hehe [07:39] good luck [07:39] bye for now.. i'll let you know of the results.. [07:39] bye [07:39] akshat (n=akshat@59.178.171.148) left ##slackware. [07:39] around 8pm PST here I had an S+40 noise level in some spots on 40M [07:39] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-253983.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:40] whew! thats a lot noise, was it atmospheric of man made noise? [07:40] Pig_Pen: be sure to listen for me on 20M later today. Me and a group of kids will be calling CQ kids day [07:40] or* [07:40] what freq? [07:40] Pig_Pen: it was sort of random, it would go for a few minutes then stop. then come back a minute later [07:40] Bairp (i=Yjolod@m213-102-5-184.cust.tele2.lt) left irc: "GPRS died" [07:41] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [07:41] Pig_Pen: up in the phone portion on 20M and after 2 I will try a few contacts on 40M [07:41] i usually listen to 14.300 maritime mobile net, but i will look for you, you have a specific frequency for me to listen on [07:41] may also try 10M to see if it opens up at all ? [07:42] hello [07:42] Pig_Pen: no, I blv you laready have my callsign though [07:42] folks... i need help with getting internet to work on my slackware.. i am using pppoe to connect. It was working till yest. But then the internet guy told me that they had changed the server. pppoe-discovery gave me the exact servicename to replace. i changed the credentials in pap-secrets file, everything else is same still no success. Is there something else i need to get from the ISP? [07:42] 11 meters opened up just a little bit for about an hour before sunset yesterday [07:42] I will be in this channel tho, so I will let you know [07:43] ok, post the frequency you will be on and i will give you a signal report if i hear you [07:43] Pig_Pen: if 10M opens up, maybe we can try 11M as well [07:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:44] yeah, that would be cool, maybe somewhere between channel 40 and ten meters in the freeband section where it is not crowded [07:44] today is kids day on the ham bands, so there will be lots of groups calling CQ also [07:44] triple nickel [07:44] njathan : it's odd that you'd have to change anything. did your password or username change? and that's pretty much what's required for pppoe [07:45] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:45] 27.495 is where i like to go, it is quiet in there because the cheaper modified CBs cant get that one [07:45] my cheap radio wont go below 27500 [07:46] ok, try 27.555 then [07:46] Nick change: root__ -> nukedclx [07:46] I will have my laptop out in the shack with Internet access, so i will be sure to be on [07:47] ananke, the creds did change.. and i configured the pap-secrets file accordingly [07:47] i will put 27.555 in my memory channels so i can scan it along with my other channels [07:48] Pig_Pen: cool. I can steup a dedicated radio to monitor that freq [07:48] ananke: just to point out, first time when i had to get internet to work on linux, they changed my username from njathan to njathan@linuxuser. This time they tell me to use just "njathan" [07:48] your cheap radio? what will you be using? [07:49] i bet your radio cost close to a thousand dollars at least [07:49] probably a Galaxy DX11 [07:49] maybe all together [07:49] tribeca_ (n=vedo@host64-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [07:49] oh, i see you have a galaxy [07:49] does it have ssb? [07:50] njathan : sounds like you need to be talking with them [07:50] i doubt if I have a grand for everything. I do a lot of trading [07:50] Pig_Pen: yeah, it is an all mode base [07:51] ananke: hehe.. i've done it. They say "nobody uses linux. and hence we neither have linux machines nor linux experts here. we cannot solve this problem"! [07:51] those galaxy base radios are good, i would like to have one [07:51] njathan : well, tough luck. [07:51] but they are sure that i dont use "@linuxuser" suffix anymore [07:52] ananke, LOL. lifes tough ;-) [07:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""first breakfast time..."" [07:52] njathan : obviously they did at one point, which begs the question -wtf were they talking about? it's up to you to either get to tier-2 support, or drop the service [07:53] njathan : not to mention, you haven't told us what errors you get in the logs [07:53] Pig_Pen: this one's been modded a bit more so I can get full coverage of both bands [07:53] ananke: logs say something like "peer authentication failed". though the support guy says he doesn't see any requests hitting his servers [07:53] I can go from 24 to 30MHZ with it [07:53] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:54] njathan ; then call him out on it [07:54] njathan : seriously, nobody here can help you with something that's broken by your isp [07:54] good!, 24 to 32 is what i can get, but my antenna only tunes from 26.5 to 28.1 [07:54] hey people how cold is in britain in celsijus? [07:54] Pig_Pen: what antenna are you using ? [07:54] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: "leaving" [07:54] pupit : have you heard of weather channels, websites, etc? [07:55] heh [07:55] ananke: i did not.. [07:55] :) [07:55] ananke: true. one more month, and if doesn't solve the problem, i'd change the provider. [07:55] pupit : now you did. stfw [07:55] Action: pupit hugs the little ananke [07:55] i have a modifed starduster, (little half wave ground plane) i removed the aluminum radiator and replaced it with a 102 inch steel whip [07:55] njathan : all you should be providing pppoe is credentials, nothing more [07:55] pupit : get off me pervert [07:56] aaah u like it.. :D [07:56] pupit : i'm not like you [07:56] Pig_Pen: OMG, that is a kick arse antenna. I had 1 of those before, an worked all over the world with it. [07:56] Pig_Pen: I did the same thing too [07:56] yup, it does pretty good for no bigger than it is [07:57] i have it about 30 feet up on an aluminum tower [07:57] I have an A99 now and a Extended Double Zepp now [07:57] ananke: creds and the servicename [07:57] njathan : you shouldn't even need the servicename [07:57] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [07:58] actually pppoe-discovery gives me more than one service... atleast 4 of them. I think thats why it might be required [07:58] njathan : that's why you may be having a problem [07:59] for my shortwave receiver i have a loop made with aluminum electric fence wire (cheaper than copper wire) [07:59] njathan : did they ever mention to you changing servicename? [07:59] my wifi waveguide is all Al. [07:59] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:00] ananke, how comfortable is the keyboard on your laptop? [08:00] ananke: yeah i did change it. [08:00] TwinReverb : very [08:00] Pig_Pen: My extended double zepp is made out of 14g copper stranded wire, abt 98 ft for 20M. [08:00] njathan : that's not what i asked about [08:01] ananke, um, well what i mean is compared to a macbook, how easy is it to push down keys? going from my toshiba to my friend's macbook made my hands hurt lol [08:01] ananke: i changed it after they told me to. atleast they knew how to get it starting on linux. only they cannot troubleshoot [08:01] tribeca (n=vedo@host64-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Pig_Pen: it has abt 3db gain over a dipole, but the pattern isnt OniDirectional [08:02] TwinReverb : i find it easier than a macbook, then again - i'm used to it now. i guess i am biased, after using it for a long time [08:02] pc mag don't seem to deal with keyboard comfort often but i'll keep looking at it [08:02] foureyes779: ever use a Carolina Windom antenna? i hear some people like them [08:02] njathan : did you try unsetting it? [08:03] ananke: unsetting to the old one? or unsetting completely? [08:03] njathan : unsetting completely [08:03] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [08:03] you cant get omnidirectional WITH GAIN [08:03] Hi, anyone tried the 2.6.28 kernel ? [08:03] well.. i haven't tried that.. i will now [08:03] pip: no, no one in the world [08:04] lol [08:04] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [08:04] i used to have one of those Maco 3 element yagi antennas, but an ice storm trashed it along with my imax200 vertical, so i bought that little starduster, i figure i need something that can handle the rough weather here thats why i replaced the radiator with a steel whip [08:05] Is there any HOWTO on customer kernel build on slackware ? [08:05] Action: njathan will try to be back... on slack this time [08:05] njathan (n=navinjat@203.115.79.144) left irc: [08:05] pip : check the slack book [08:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.216) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Ah, thanks [08:06] pip: tar -xf the source, cat /proc/config.gz | gunzip > .config , make oldconfig [08:06] gunzip -d rather [08:06] spook_ : never heard of zcat? [08:06] Pig_Pen: well, im gonna try to get some sleep. got some antenna work to do later today. hope to catch ya on the radio [08:06] zcat /proc/config.gz [08:06] ananke: yeah or that :P [08:06] ok, i will be here in this channel [08:07] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [08:07] spook_, looks easy [08:07] pip: slackware doesnt patch the kernel significantly [08:09] what do you mean ? [08:09] pip: something you'll learn about in due time [08:09] ananke, Are you sure that slackbook has something about kernel build ? [08:10] pip: yeah its in there [08:10] Got it [08:11] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#SYSTEM-CONFIGURATION-KERNEL-COMPILE [08:11] took me less than 10 seconds to find, including copy & paste [08:11] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Thanks, I got a pdf reader reading it right now [08:12] you know, it comes in html format too [08:13] spook_, but that's not a good option if the user mistakenly booted hugesmp.s [08:14] quite frankly i'm getting sick of people saying "make oldconfig" without making sure the person is using the "proper" kernel [08:14] TwinReverb: it was a greatly abbriviated guide [08:14] much less that, sure, while you can build what you have now, there's no sense in waiting while it compiles a ton of stuff either don't have, could never install, or don't need [08:14] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Client Quit [08:14] with some important ommissions, namely building and installing the kernel [08:14] i'm not getting on your case though, spook, since i hear this from many others [08:15] i'm talking essentially to everyone, and to no-one [08:15] just general comments [08:15] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [08:15] sounded like you were having a go at me. [08:15] sorry :( [08:16] its k [08:16] i'd usually say use generic-smp config and then, at minimum, go specify your processor, your resume partition (i.e. swap partition), and your filesystem(s) [08:16] there are also other things that can be done that are easy (in make menuconfig) yet will make a huge difference (but it depends on your machine) [08:16] i have watched mandriva, of all distributions, boot up fast on some of the newer core 2 duo machines [08:17] like easily in 1/2 time it takes vista, if not faster [08:18] TwinReverb : you're comparing apples to oranges, and it doesn't support your argument :) [08:18] distros have to make a trade off between important functionality and compatatability vs. boot up time [08:18] ananke, well i know but it's what people usually compare linux to these days :) [08:18] and yeah i know they have to trade functionality for speed [08:18] more importantly compatatability [08:18] i don't even use generic-smp any more, nor LVM, since that (at the time) was my main clincher [08:18] sure, just not when the subject is 'generic-smp kernel vs one compiled for your own processor' [08:18] pip_ (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [08:18] thats why hugesmp.s exists [08:18] i know. [08:19] mainly what i do is in generic-smp i remove all hardware (like I said) that i either don't have or could never install on my laptop. i saw a huge difference just in removing the things i knew i would never use/need/have [08:19] both generic and huge are compiled with the generic x86 option. [08:19] i left the rest of it largely untouched [08:19] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] yeah and i noticed that generic-x86 makes the binaries huge [08:20] yes because it includes optimisations for every x86 variant [08:20] on mine i'd lose like 2GB hard drive space during compile :S [08:21] something cool is to watch how big the 50mb compressed source becomes uncompressed, then filled with compiled code, then shrunk to like 10mb [08:24] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.9) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:43] Sounds unpleasant [08:43] *in theory [08:43] read the slackbook? [08:43] doing [08:44] Doesn't tell me much [08:45] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:48] pip: why not use Slackware's kernel SlackBuild to build yourself a kernel package? And please use the term "SlackBuild", not "sbo" if you refer to a SlackBuild script [08:48] sbo is the web site slackbuilds.org [08:48] alienBOB, that's why I meant [08:49] Okay, I'm just not an old slacker : ) [08:49] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [08:51] hi, in the bsdgames package that doesn't require X to play, does wargames actually work? I've tried /Global Thermonuclear War/ and /yes/ and /chess/ with no avail. any ideas? [08:51] blkdg: erm, read the file [08:51] Use the source, luke? [08:52] the man page? [08:52] blkdg: less /usr/games/wargames [08:52] lol 70% of people here just direct people to man pages or help files [08:53] cool. [08:53] try wargames with "fortune" [08:53] it's be nice if that was indicated in the man page. [08:53] 78% of all statistics are just made up [08:53] ha [08:53] /oldjoke [08:54] tribeca (n=vedo@host64-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [08:55] :]] [08:55] muxer: having to direct people to the man pages means that these people have not done their homework [08:55] my bash script is horrible, so have i got this right: read the input in x, if the game is in bsdgames, then run it otherwise... [08:55] right? [08:56] pretty much [08:56] thanks. [08:56] have a good sunday [08:56] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [08:57] some people aren't used to having manual pages [08:58] TwinReverb: Like everyone "fresh" from Windows. [08:58] what, you think windows documentation taught them to look for documentation as their first means to find help? :) [08:58] yep [08:58] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [08:59] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:01] anyone knows why opera wont play flash movies from metacafe? i have flash-player-plugin from sbo installed. [09:01] and firefox plays them fine [09:02] kama (n=kama@host198-34-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:03] alienBOB, How to do that ? [09:05] what catagory does kernel package belong to ? [09:06] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [09:06] Action: TwinReverb wonders if there is a way to just specify what he wants in a laptop to a company and they build it for him [09:07] TwinReverb: HP! "Computers are personal again" lol. [09:07] pip: k [09:07] Action: TwinReverb can't stand HP or Compaq in terms of computers [09:07] TwinReverb: I figured, that was tongue in cheek. [09:08] Baisuoklis, there is no such repo starting with 'k' [09:08] *s/repo/category [09:08] TwinReverb: are those considered computers? i always thought they where maiking paper weights [09:08] hehe [09:09] pip: It's in the K disk set [09:09] For the source, the binary I think is in AAA [09:09] Or A rather, sorry [09:10] compaq were quite good [09:10] slowly being absorbed into hp tho :( [09:10] FriedBob, I was asking if I want to do a custom kernel package with SlackBuild tool, how to do it ? [09:10] HP laptops are pretty bad quality, seen alot of them in repair [09:10] Baisuoklis: thats very bad science [09:11] whats the joke, all sheep are black, that sheep is black, that side of that sheep is black [09:11] pip: install the kernel source from the K disk set off of the install CD or kernel.org. I personally, wouldn't mess with packages for kernels [09:12] kama (n=kama@host198-34-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:12] FriedBob, What if I want to install the latest 2.6.28 kernel source package ? [09:12] pip: Grab it from kernel.org, configure it and install it. [09:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:13] So, there is no way to do it with SlackBuild tool ? [09:13] I think the slackbook or slack wiki has articles on it. [09:13] I don't know, there may be, but I wouldn't waste my time on it personally, and just do it by hand. [09:14] I see [09:14] Any of the SBO people awake? [09:14] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [09:14] BP{k}: ? [09:14] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:36] man this sucks [09:36] all the price points for the low voltage core 2 duo processors put the laptop into $2,000+ territory [09:37] its not so much voltage as it is wattage [09:37] is it a crime to ask for a sub-2GHz core 2 duo that has 4MB L2 and uses a whole lot less voltage? [09:37] and thermal efficiency [09:38] all their LV line of core 2 duo is very expensive [09:38] in USA it is [09:38] lol [09:38] heh [09:38] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [09:41] TwinReverb: is the macbook better or worse(in your opinion) then a PC running windoze or linux? [09:42] macbooks are expensive [09:42] well anything is better than vista, point blank [09:42] they redesigned the networking tools so much i can't find my way around [09:42] i have to go to a shell lol [09:43] even ubuntu would be better imho than vista [09:43] hell even netbsd for a laptop [09:43] here's my "mini review" then [09:43] I alway tell people I'd take a linux PC or a Mac over windoze anything anyday. ;) [09:43] 1) software: all stuff you get from apple rocks, period. however, there were many programs for mac that suck in terms of how they install. now macFUSE, that absolutely rocks with ntfs-3g, and even incorporates into the preferences section [09:44] 2) keyboard: sucks horribly. the action is too stiff. however, it is designed well and has few spaces for junk to fall into it [09:44] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) joined ##slackware. [09:45] 3) touchpad: works good once you learn the "apple way" of trackpad. i like it for what it does, but i don't like not having a right click button. still, the two-finger-tap functions as a right-click, so it works out good in the end [09:45] 4) graphics: good [09:45] 5) BSD tools: fun [09:45] 6) firewall: good in many ways, but in others it lacks tweakability [09:46] 7) customizeability: not so good at all. it's possible, but it's not readily apparent like in linux [09:46] 8) dashboard: absolutely rocks. reminds me of gdesklets ("back in the day") but better [09:47] 9) linux support: SUCKS. no XFS support, no ability to format anything UFS (unless you insert the drive with the UFS label a8 from cfdisk, but it errored) [09:47] however, ironically, sharing files via NTFS (a windows filesystem) works between mac and linux. go figure. [09:47] ssh: mac comes with ssh apparently [09:47] rsync: can be installed, and works well [09:47] renatorabelo (n=renato@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left ##slackware. [09:48] i dont like macs [09:48] pidgin: the mac version "finch" was hard to find, and didn't work. [09:48] mac os is not a substituted for a proper nix [09:48] spaces: rocks. a lot like the pager in linux, with the ability to always make certain software use only a specific pager. it's nice, and with the ability to click the program you were using and go to its space, it rivals linux, but doesn't beat it. [09:48] i dont about mac os [09:48] but i dont like apple generally [09:49] dont know about* [09:49] with their over-priced products [09:49] linux installation / live CD/DVD blows. the machine ground to a halt. with GParted it spit out those drive seek errors on the CD-ROM drive (AFTER it had already booted into fluxbox and gparted; go figure) [09:50] muxer: at least it's american made(unlike most Personal Computers) :p [09:50] knoppix initially worked on his machine as live dvd and was awesome. however, when i tried it, it got to the desktop and again ground to a halt with CPU fan whining like a jet engine [09:50] i didn't get a chance to even try to get to a shell on either one to load acpi-cpufreq and friends to try and get it not to self-destruct [09:51] verdict: mac is good if you are rich and like a perfect laptop. it's much closer to perfect than any bloated linux distro or any vista roll will get, period. [09:51] wow o.0 [09:51] but if you want linux, buy something else. [09:53] muxer : i like how you project your anti-apple bias onto anything apple related [09:53] I like Apple for the old computers more then the new ones(especially the intel macs>.<) [09:55] i love the new intel macs. use less energy and thus less heat, faster, and you can run windows on them more easy [be it virtualization, or even straight windows] [09:55] lol [09:55] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [09:55] My first Apple computer is the Apple ][e, also my first and only mac is a "Macintosh Performa 550" [09:57] and fwiw if there is no way to prevent fork bombs in vista, be sure when you buy a vista laptop that you format over to remove vista. i still have no sympathy for an OS that lacks the ability to defend itself (assuming there's no way to prevent fork bombs in vista. i am checking right now) [09:57] ananke, true, their products aren't bad, just maybe out of some of our price ranges [09:57] i'm hunting for the cure on vista for fork bombs so don't quote me yet [09:58] TwinReverb : indeed, apple doesn't have much selection in the low range [09:58] How to pass optimization parameters to make when building the kernel ? [09:58] I just did "sudo make" [09:58] pip : what optimization parameters? [09:58] funrolloops? [09:58] -march=i686 [09:58] ananke, but what they have is sexy [09:58] like it [09:58] there are some refurb macbooks at $800 fwiw [09:59] pip : the processor you picked will take care of that [09:59] TwinReverb : indeed. and it's easy to use [09:59] ananke, auto optimization ? [09:59] ananke, do you have any windows friends who know how to prevent fork bombs in vista? i don't seem to see any info but i'm still googling [09:59] But, seriously. I need to setup my server to serve dns. is inet the file I config or is it something else? [09:59] TwinReverb : nope. never been interested in preventing it [10:00] jescis, /etc/rc.d/rc.bind [10:00] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] ananke, i'm tempted to make some anti-windows "DON'T CLICK HERE" links on my website [10:00] ananke, I see, thanks [10:00] the fork bomb code for almost anything is right on wiki lol [10:01] i once fought a fork bomb on a 60 processor machine, with 32000 processes. almost two days of it [10:01] TwinReverb: ill rather pay a nice amount for a nice PC that i can upgrade cheap, rather than a mac book that costs a fortune and upgrades arent cheap [10:01] muxer, i know. i will probably be doing the same, bro. [10:01] assuming i can get what i want and need below $800 on a PC. otherwise, a mac might (ironically) be cheaper [10:01] muxer : in the same line of argument, i've found that i have NOT upgraded any of my personal pcs in years. [10:02] i just replace the whole damn thing every 3 years [10:02] my main gripe is no one puts out a core 2 duo with more than 2MB L2 cache. no offense, but i have that much on my Pentium-M 1.5Ghz. if i'm going to upgrade, the L2 had better be above 2MB [10:02] all the intel core 2 duo Low Voltage family are exceedingly expensive (4MB L2) [10:02] ananke: up to the people [10:02] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176067010.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:02] much less the fact that it's SHARED L2: one L2, shared between 2 CPUs. i should at least have 4MB if i want to be upgrading lol [10:03] muxer : indeed, it's up to the people. however, the point remains: it's only a valid argument when you do plan on doing so. guess what, i also planned on doing so, and found out that i didn't do it [10:03] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [10:03] this laptop is on 4 years and i'm keeping it until it dies [10:03] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [10:03] in fact, most people don't upgrade components of their computers, with the exception of adding more memory [10:04] Or disks [10:04] not to mention by the time you want to upgrade nothing is compatible with your old crap anymore [10:04] FriedBob : indeed, but that one happens even less [10:04] then you buy a new mobo [10:04] hiptobecubic : EXACTLY [10:04] then you buy a new cpu [10:04] i can see a disk upgrade, but in my case, only when the disk died [10:04] then you buy new mem because the old shit doesn't work in the new mobo [10:04] but as for memory, i can definitely see that [10:05] then you buy new disks because the new mobo doesn't have ide, or whatever.... the list goes on [10:05] then you have to buy new memory, then you realize that the new mobo doesn't have IDE, it's now SATA, you change disks, etc. by the time you have upgraded it, you end up with a new machine [10:05] i'm almost tempted with the new eee pc's to just buy as many of the cheap linux ones as i can that are under $1000 (i.e. $1000 divided by their cheapest linux model) and then cluster them [10:05] ananke, :D [10:05] but that would make mobility a pain in the rear [10:06] for the life of me, why didn't via make a dual eden 1ghz laptop? wtf?! [10:06] it's like trying to get a new video card on your old machine - got pcie? if not, your selection is very limited [10:06] TwinReverb, just make sure you can distribute heavy jobs to the homeserver. [10:07] hell, why not their lowest voltage 1.5GHz processor but dual and for a laptop? they could've easily made a fanless (almost) laptop out of the dual eden mobo [10:07] hiptobecubic, yeah lol [10:07] Nick change: esthar -> lymeca [10:07] oh well, just another brick in the wall [10:07] thanks everyone, and goodnight [10:07] That reminds me. [10:07] muxer : so your point of being able to upgrade, it only goes so far [10:07] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [10:07] I need to get to chopping and screwing that album [10:08] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:08] ananke: not really, you'd spend more anyway if you bought macs every 3 years [10:08] muxer : versus _equivalent_ pcs? hardly [10:09] but that's just because macs are expensive. [10:09] mt "s" key isn't working on tty1 ?:\ [10:09] macs are expensive, if you compare them to entry level pcs. by the time you get similar components, they're not that much more expensive [10:09] only tty1? [10:09] s/mt/my [10:09] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Operation timed out [10:09] hiptobecubic: yeah [10:10] does "make module_install" command override the original files of kernel modules ? [10:10] jescisp2s, you can restart the terminal... but i can't remember how. [10:10] speaking of memory, i had to upgrade a server recently from 32 gb to 64gb, and that meant taking out the previous 32gb. here's what sucks: i have no other machine in my data center that will take the dimms from that 32gb pool [10:10] hiptobecubic: logout? [10:10] ananke: You by chance have much experience with hardware KVMs? [10:11] and do I have to issue 'make install' do install the kernel itself ? [10:11] so i have 32gb, in 16x2GB dimms, sitting in a box and collecting dust [10:11] FriedBob : we used to use a product from 'raritan' [10:11] FriedBob : so, just a bit [10:11] lol [10:11] jescisp2s, no it was a command to kill the terminal completely and restart it. [10:11] ananke: sell them? [10:12] muxer : don't want to go through the hassle [10:12] ananke, send me some? I have a p4 sitting here with 512 [10:12] hiptobecubic : chances are it wouldn't fit :) and no, can't do that [10:13] what are they? [10:13] :D [10:13] my point was that in this day and age, upgrading components in pcs is not as peachy as one may want [10:13] i'd have to look at them. some pc5500 ecc buffered [or non buffered] dimms [10:14] came out of a dell pe6950 [10:15] hiptobecubic: logout worked though [10:15] jescisp2s, oh. well you're all set then [10:15] hiptobecubic: yep :) [10:15] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:15] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:16] hiptobecubic: Except I get connection refused when I try rndc -s ipaddress :\ [10:19] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:19] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:19] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:19] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:19] rob0 (n=rob0@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:20] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:21] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [10:22] what is vmlinux file in kernel source direcoty after customer building [10:24] That's the kernel that hasn't been bzipped, I believe. [10:33] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "damn" [10:34] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-147-18.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: " going back to ohio" [10:35] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn133.78-99-156.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [10:35] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:38] raela|alt (n=raela@c-76-100-147-18.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "going to ohio" [10:44] http://www.atunes.org/ finaly, a way to replace amarok, though I still like amarok a lot [10:45] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:45] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [10:46] i just use last.fm [10:46] and ofc last.fm didnt work properly on slack so i just install last.fm firefox toolbar [10:47] insatalled* [10:47] qt4 couldnt compile properly [10:47] or install properly [10:48] I like the web integration of amarok, with wiki lookups and album covers, and atunes does that as well [10:49] and both upodate and play from last.fm [10:49] I was going to try to install the last.fm manager, but didn't get to using qt4 for very long [10:49] oh really? never knew that.. might as well check it out [10:50] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:50] can anyone tell me the best way to track deps for a program if it's not readily documented (in the src pkg)? [10:50] yeah, amarok is really sweet, never thought I'd like all that wizbang stuff, but it's so well integrated [10:50] dimmerbold: check the website [10:51] dTd: yeah...I did that (specifically banshee) [10:51] but a quick cofigure usualyl returns some errors for missing libs or whatnot [10:51] but I don't see mention of deps.. [10:51] dTd: okay...I have not tried that. [10:52] I'm wondering how difficult it would be to track down specific packages just by lib names. [10:52] looks nbie though [10:52] nice* [10:52] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [10:53] it uses gstreamer [10:53] so any gstreamer plugins will add features is would appear [10:53] slackbuilds.org has a lot of gst-* plugins [10:54] I'm using XFCE right now, but would like to use a couple of Gnome apps...I'm having a devil of a time tracking down what I need to install without overdoing it. [10:55] I can see some of the deps from reading (mono, etc) but not all. [10:55] gstreamer is included in slackware 12.2 [10:55] I like the ./configure idea...I'll try that. thanks. [10:56] gnome apps have a hell of a lot of gnome dependencies, by the time you get the dependencies resolved you will have enough of gnome installed to just about have a gnome desktop environment [10:57] Pig_Pen: I was afraid of that...do they *all* use tons of gnome-deps? [10:57] I wish there was a decent way to track specific apps. [10:57] most do, a very few are just gtk dependant [10:58] could leave them a messege, but thats definately an ubuntu/debian based project by the looks [10:58] hmmm...maybe I should make some slackbuilds, and see what works...I can always removepkg if it's unworkable I guess. [10:59] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [10:59] what i would do if i just had to have some gnome apps is dual boot slackware with debian/gnome then i could just boot up debian when i had to use something gnome specific [10:59] Unfortunately, the big one I need to try is Evolution (for my workplace)...and I know that's a gnome monster [11:00] slackytude, hey [11:00] --disable-gnome diables gnome support [11:01] ./configure --help [11:01] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Speaking of configure. BEst thing I know of is in the kernel - make randconfig [11:01] hey [11:01] Ive got problems [11:01] dTd: okay, thanks...obvioulsy I need to try working with the source before dioing much more here... [11:01] 'preciate it. [11:02] FriedBob: does what [11:02] spook_: Random answer to each kernel config option. [11:02] evolution does not make it easy to find the source code, what are they trying to hide! [11:03] Ive got a C++ project here which I have to upload to a different machine to compile. However, when its uploaded, g++ gives me errors [11:03] dimmerbold: got a link to the source? [11:03] DBAmethyst (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:03] RezepturProzessor.cpp: In member function âvirtual void RezepturProzessor::readZutaten()â: [11:03] RezepturProzessor.cpp:120: error: âexitâ was not declared in this scope [11:03] ok, so the only thing it complains about is no mono, and there's a slackbuild for that [11:03] there are some crappy chars in the file now, I suspect its some file encoding issue. No cluew how to solve this, tho. Any pointers? [11:04] nevermind, found it [11:04] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [11:04] I can't seem to get a good mirror for slackpkg :\ [11:04] slackboy: compress it first [11:04] oops [11:04] dTd, come again? [11:05] slackytude: the tranfer is changing the file right? [11:05] damn! 35 megs is bloated for an email client, seamonkey includes an email client, web browser, html editor & irc in a smaller package [11:05] dTd, Im using scp. Im not sure what happens [11:05] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:05] so make a tar.gz out if it first, the uncompress on the remote [11:05] then* [11:05] dTd, gonna try it [11:05] Pig_Pen: Bloated is right, but it's the only client I can easily configure with Exchange and PKI [11:06] Claws came close (using IMAP) but the calendaring feature is a must for my work. [11:06] I want to stay in Slack for script development [11:07] dimmerbold: well i will try to build evolution on slackware to see if it will build at all [11:08] Pig_Pen: I really appreciate that. I'm still working on it here, but I gave up to try Claws and Thunderbird. Niether works good enough, so I'm back to Evo. [11:09] gnome-doc-utils >= 0.3.2 not found i am not going to start chasing down a bunch of gnome related packages just to build evolution [11:10] dimmerbold: whats wrong with thunderbird, besides it's xul? [11:10] xul?? [11:11] do the debian/gnome dual boot thing if possible, that way you can have slackware without kludging it up with gnome packages, and a full gnome environment is just a reboot away [11:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:11] oh and, I fond this yesterday too, which seems pretty nice alternative http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ [11:11] dTd, no joy [11:11] xul is the toolkit for the interface [11:11] oh. [11:11] slackytude: the file compiles on your local machine? [11:11] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [11:12] With Evo, I was able to respond to meeting requests made via exchange...no can do in Claws or TBird. [11:12] yeah [11:12] dTd, the files are allright but I cant compile it localy as Im missing a object file [11:12] and Tbird had an issue using PKI encryption on attached files...which Claws and Evo handled fine. [11:12] the files contain special chars on remote machine, probably because remote is UTF-8 encoded [11:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:13] crap [11:13] maybe you can strip them, or convert it with an editor [11:13] maybe, but I dunno how [11:13] thats kind of the problem [11:13] me either, sorry [11:14] xlq (n=xlq@88-106-52-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] PKI encryption? [11:15] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-3-178.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:15] How can I change the X11 keymap at runtime (without modifying /etc/X11/xorg.conf), to enable dead keys? Annoyingly, xmodmap's syntax is different to that of the maps in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ [11:15] dTd: Entrust/PKI Enterprise...It *really* sucks. Made using Linux at work a major pain. [11:15] gpgsm is a decent package for handling it...but it's not seamless. [11:16] I bet, thansk for the info, no windos here, especially enterprise variants :) [11:17] ok, so mono has been compiling for longer than a kernel now.... [11:17] all the usa servers are not responding. is it because I edited named.conf? or the other file [11:17] ? [11:17] There used to be an 'xkb' program, but it's not there now. [11:17] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [11:17] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24) joined ##slackware. [11:17] nachox: Oi oi! [11:18] FriedBob: ? [11:18] blop00 (i=1000@23-52.2-0.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:18] grah, can you guys help me with iptables and PAT/NAT. [11:18] Dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [11:18] hi FriedBob :) [11:18] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [11:18] my rule is -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 2222 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.16.2.2:22 [11:18] BP{k}: Was seeing if you were around to answer an SBO related question, but fred answered it [11:18] FriedBob: roger. [11:18] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-3-178.btc-net.bg) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:19] BP{k}: Someone was looking to build the kernel using some sort of SBO package [11:19] they were quite insistent [11:20] Ahh, setxkbmap [11:21] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [11:21] _chess_ (n=chess@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] rob0 (n=rob0@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] rworkman (n=rworkman@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] are lizella and slackadelic hosted on the same machine? [11:27] or noc [11:28] seems sooo [11:30] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [11:30] dimmerbold: ok, so far mono, ndesk-dbus, ndesk-dbus-glib and counting [11:30] dTd: thanks...I appreciate it! [11:30] are you doing this just by ./configure? [11:31] ...or failed compiles? [11:31] yes, and adding in the slackbuilds for those deps [11:31] one at a time [11:31] mbbphrber [11:31] xlq (n=xlq@88-106-52-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("have a nice day"). [11:31] till it will configure clean [11:32] This is where the new sbopkg dep queue will come in real handy... [11:32] thats for banshee by the way [11:32] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:32] yeah I bet [11:32] yeah...I figured with the mono. [11:32] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:33] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:39] IntangibleLiquid, i believe the new version has opengl support [11:39] nachox, so I can use the slackbuilds script for the new version? [11:40] dTd: thanks...I'll see if I can make one for this purpose. [11:40] i'm using 2.0.6 [11:40] IntangibleLiquid, just check and see if ./configure has new options taht you need to consider [11:41] i have no idea, i havent used slackware in 2 years [11:41] nachox, so what are you in now? [11:42] blop00 (i=1000@23-52.2-0.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [11:42] opensolaris or windows, depends on the day or needs [11:43] nachos? opensolaris? [11:43] give me link [11:43] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=optimus@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [11:44] opensolaris.com [11:44] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [11:44] dimmerbold: taglib-sharp site is being moved, and it's not online atm [11:45] not opensolaris.org/os/ [11:45] ? [11:45] dimmerbold: need >= 2.0.3 [11:45] the org one is the community site [11:46] dTd: roger that. I thought it was a network problem...then I saw the "moved message". [11:46] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "lovely" [11:47] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=optimus@201.20.64.142) left irc: Client Quit [11:48] dTd: the subversion tree has a last changelog entry of 12/15, but I don't see a ver. [11:48] GuGa (n=abuse@80-218-14-37.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [11:48] ...I'll try that one, I guess. [11:49] nachox, i can find the virtualbox-ose here: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.1.0/ but not the kernel module, is it possible to use the older version of the kernel module/addons? [11:50] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/taglib-sharp/2.0.3.0-2/+files/taglib-sharp_2.0.3.0.orig.tar.gz thats a link for the source from ubuntu [11:50] if you trust it [11:52] That version of virtualbox includes the kernel module. [11:53] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: "leaving" [11:53] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [11:54] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:55] http://pastebin.com/d511dc929 here is some evolution dependencies dimmerbold [11:56] Pig_Pen: Thanks! [11:56] i believe glade is already installed, but probably not built with gnome in mind [11:56] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [11:56] dimmerbold: ugh, mono-zero-conf [11:56] IntangibleLiquid, you need dkms http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml#dkms, according to the user manual, read it [11:57] Concupiscence (n=Concupis@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Hello, I got an Error when booting the customer kernel built just now, saying :/sbin/init couldn't found in rootdev: ,any ideas ? [11:57] dimmerbold: I'm done [11:57] dTd: okay...I appreciate the effort immensly. [11:58] pip: you did not compile filesystem/controller driver into your kernel [11:58] XGizzmo: how to check that ? [11:58] XGizzmo: Well, this is a working kernel that I have been using on another linux [11:59] anyone in here ever put slackware on a mac os x machine? :D [11:59] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [11:59] I haven't, but am considering it. [11:59] Pig_Pen: may I ask how you came across those deps? [11:59] XGizzmo: I mean the .config file detived from another linux [12:00] TwinReverb: Mind you, my target system is a 300 MHz G3 iBook... so that'd require going with Slackintosh. [12:00] That looks almost gentoo-ish [12:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] true [12:02] dimmerbold: after i got past the gnome-doc-utils dependency i ran ./configure again and that was what it spit out at me [12:02] pip: that error means the kernel could not locate/mount your root(/) filesystem. Since you have a "custom" kernel there is no way to know what you did wrong. [12:02] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [12:03] TwinReverb: Slackintosh 12.1 + Mac OS 9.2.2 will probably be a profoundly weird dual-boot experience. [12:03] Pig_Pen: thanks...I'm going to detach and move over to my test box and start playing with the .config scripts of these things. [12:03] pip: If I were you I would start with a working slackware kernel config [12:03] thanks for the pointers and help, Pig_Pen and dTd [12:03] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:04] XGizzmo: I have figured it out the reason, I think it's for the ramdisk that I created ,which didn't burned all the necessary modules into the kernel [12:04] it would seem like if evolution wanted a greater userbase they would not make it depend on gnome, only gtk (like gimp) [12:04] huge-smp and trim it down or genric-smp and add/remove what you need. [12:04] dTd: document type definition! [12:04] What is dTd 's DTD? [12:05] Concupiscence, better than vista ;) [12:05] you fellows are having fun with my nick, glad I can entertain ;) [12:05] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:05] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:05] alot of games dont let me use this nickname [12:05] its annoying [12:06] because of the _ ? [12:06] XGizzmo: Just wait for my good news after I created a new ramdisk image, hahahaa [12:06] Pig_Pen: I whole heartedly agree...I hate all the gnome deps (though I used to like gnome until slack dropped it). [12:06] spook_: Por que no? [12:06] because of the american-centric supposably racial slur [12:06] ugh [12:06] Geh. [12:06] how 50s ;) [12:06] maybe some clever evil genius will fork evolution and remove the gnome dependencies [12:07] What is the best "surrogate" Gnome for Slack 12.2? Dropline just rubs me the wrong way. [12:07] call it evilushun [12:07] gsb? [12:07] I suppose there's no such thing as spook = gov agent, spook = ghost spook = to scare a horse or animal [12:07] well...I got the evil part. Now all i need is a clever genius. :-) [12:07] dTd: of course not [12:07] dTd: exactly [12:07] it's assinign [12:08] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl11-77.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [12:08] Concupiscence: GSB was okay for me, but seemed to rely too much on Slapt-get...which sucks ass. [12:09] that otherone, its like gslack or something [12:09] gware? [12:09] that one [12:09] never tried it. [12:09] dimmerbold: Aaaagh. Slapt-get is the devil. Thank you for the warning. :) [12:09] gware is one, and there is freerock [12:09] Concupiscence: indeed [12:09] besides dropline [12:10] Gware markets itself as "unobtrusive." That's already a good start. [12:10] gware - still no 12.2 version (last I checked) [12:10] i see freerock is now gsb [12:11] dimmerbold: Dang, just noticed that. [12:11] okay then...so much for freerock. [12:11] it could be that you can steal enough packages (gnome backends) to get evolution to run, just a shot in the dark [12:11] I'm really happy with XFCE...just need a few apps. this is killing me. [12:11] Once you compile and install a window manager from source, how do you add it to xwmconfig's list? [12:12] dimmerbold: wine ... [12:12] Concupiscence: what? [12:12] what does CLEAR_TREE parameter in /etc/mkinitrd.conf file ? [12:12] you need to make a .xinitrc and put it in /etc/X11/xinit [12:12] clears the tree, probally the module tree [12:12] *mean^ [12:12] dTd: I tried that with MS LookOUT, but to run that with PKI I need the Entrust client...which does not run under wine. [12:13] module tree, then what does that do actually ? [12:13] Action: dimmerbold tried bother wine 1.x and Crossover [12:13] spook_: If I ./configure-make-make install, say, E16 from source, how do I add it to xwmconfig's list of installed window managers? [12:13] modules depend on other modules [12:13] s/bother/both [12:14] make a e16.initrc and put it in /etc/X11/xinit [12:14] Al_Kapone (n=kapone@216.144.93.159) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:14] Ah, there we go. Thanks, Pig_Pen! [12:14] e16.xinitrc [12:14] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:14] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [12:14] just look at the others in there for an example how to build it [12:15] spook_: Do I need to set the clear tree option in mkinitrd.conf file ? if so, 0 or 1 ? [12:16] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-169-70.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:26] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "leaving" [12:28] Nick change: haqe17 -> The_Doctor [12:29] I am the Doctor [12:29] no you're not. [12:29] i'm sparticus [12:30] I am the Boogieman :D [12:30] no, im sparticus [12:30] srsly, my nick in lithuanian means boogieman [12:31] whoooooo are you, who who, who who [12:31] ... [12:31] i'm batman [12:32] TO THE BATMOBILE!!! [12:32] BATMOBILE even [12:32] Holy rifle butts Batman! [12:33] Action: spook_ uses his bat anti-shark spray [12:33] Nick change: The_Doctor -> haqe17 [12:34] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [12:34] to the meatloaf [12:35] i can recall some one mentioning that removing font entries from xorg.conf can improse performance and memory usage. [12:35] does any one ha a link handy? my googling didnt return usefull matches [12:35] XGizzmo_: Still failure, but I still think it's not for the kernel compiled, but for the ramdisk created [12:36] have* [12:36] xfontsel reads 19246 names matching [12:37] Baisuoklis, I don't think that would, unless you're terribly memory constrained [12:37] souljas (n=tony@57.sub-75-201-180.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [12:37] souljas_ (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:38] Camarade_Tux: i'm not terribly constrained, tho i consider tweaking it alittle to get the most [12:44] I boot at 10MB in console, 60MB in X, each virtual desktop roughly takes 4MB so the four take 12MB, openbox takes 5MB and conky 2 to 3 [12:44] that means the fonts won't take more than 30MB and I don't think they take a significant amount of those 30MB [12:45] I'd rather concentrate on other things [12:45] for e.g? [12:47] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "leaving" [12:48] is anyone here working as a Business Analyst? [12:48] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl11-77.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [12:49] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:49] IntangibleLiquid, what's that? [12:50] Baisuoklis, even tweaking the kernel should give you bigger gains [12:50] josemanuel, a BA :) just wanna know coz I'm applying for one [12:50] i thought a ba was a bachelor in arts [12:51] well i recompiled kernel for starters - now i boot in31 sec as oppesed to 52 sec with stock slack kernel [12:51] josemanuel, a BA is the one who stands between business clients and the product development team [12:51] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) joined ##slackware. [12:51] ah, then maybe a friend of mine works as a ba [12:52] Baisuoklis, there may be more to remove in the kernel, but if you find docs on the font thing, let me know ;) [12:52] hcfd (n=hacfed@host86-147-59-33.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Can anyone tell me how to mount a Samba share? [12:52] he goes to meetings with clients, finds out what they want and assures them that we have exactly the right product for them [12:53] then, he comes back and says: you have to implement this fast! [12:53] If I use konqueror to goto smb://192.1.1.1 I can see all my shares listed.. is there anyway to mount this 'root' share? [12:54] josemanuel, that's quite right [12:54] I found a few examples using mount and few using smbmnt via google, but no joy when I tried them. [12:54] that 'rot' share isn't a share [12:55] it's a list of the available share [12:55] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Hello, I lost the original initrd-tree. how to back up ? [12:58] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.56.21) left irc: "Leaving" [13:02] pip: read /boot/README.initrd [13:02] :O [13:03] pip: what is that supposed to indicate? [13:06] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [13:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:09] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:15] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [13:17] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:18] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:20] danc3: that means I was shocked that I hadn't thought of reading that doc [13:20] Btw, thank you : ) [13:20] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "leaving" [13:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.180) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Kb1979 (n=asdf@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-96-133.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Kb1979 (n=asdf@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: "Leaving" [13:28] _wretched (n=wretched@158-117.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-96-133.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [13:28] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left irc: "Leaving." [13:31] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [13:34] _wretched (n=wretched@158-117.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:35] IceW (i=old-time@189-18-120-221.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Anyone has built a customer 2.6.28 kernel ? [13:36] yup [13:36] though its custom, not customer :P [13:37] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-25-128.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:37] and it's "it's" not 'its' [13:37] that "'" is sooo far.. [13:37] Sorry, edman007 I got an error: mount /dev/sda5 on /mnt, no such device , ERROR: /sbin/init not found on rootdev [13:38] lol [13:38] pip, you have the wrong root in your lilo (probably) [13:38] pip : out of curiosity, why do you feel it's necessary to compile a custom kernel? [13:38] how many drives do you have? [13:39] ananke, Well, I did read that doc days ago, I have remembered that, but I still don't know what is wrong with the building process or config file which is copied from another machine on which runs another linux distro [13:39] edman007, I use grub [13:39] pip : that didn't answer my question [13:40] ananke, I just want to build a custom kernel which fits me better [13:40] pip, same thing, how many drives do you have? [13:40] ananke, Basically, I want a slim kernel [13:40] One [13:41] are you using an initrd? [13:41] I use grub with is on another partition on which there is another linux installed [13:41] did you specify init on the boot line? [13:41] ananke: How's ##slackware's favorit BOFH today? [13:41] and the grub is installed on MBR [13:41] edman007, Yes, I do [13:41] you need a /boot partition me thins. [13:41] ro /dev/sda5 [13:41] FriedBob : at the moment, slightly annoyed. my microwave hood light just burned out another bulb [13:41] thinks* [13:42] jonsmith1982, I don't [13:42] it's the second one this month, and probably the 6th this year [13:42] pip, you initrd is probably messed up [13:42] ananke: That sucks. Try candles instead? [13:42] pip, how did you make the initrd? [13:42] edman007, I think so, that's why I have been going to create a new one or restore the original one [13:43] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "/quit" [13:43] first time I made it, was using the mkinitrd command with some options [13:43] and the second time, I used the /etc/mkinitrd.conf file after it got configured and executed the mkinird [13:44] *mkinitrd command [13:44] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:44] well if your building the kernel yourself just make it so you don't need an initrd, IMHO its nothing but problems, and you only really need it if you want to boot off LVM [13:45] what if I make it as a generic kernel [13:46] pip : you've spent two days trying to get a 'slim kernel'. don't you think you could spend it on something more productive? [13:46] you've already wasted much more time than a 'slim kernel' could have saved you [13:46] ananke, I didn't spend two days on that lol [13:46] ananke, Could you solve this problem ? [13:47] I have already stated the problem above [13:47] pip : could i? very likely. would i? i think it's a waste of time [13:47] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] you'd need to show us your boot loader config and /etc/fstab first [13:47] ananke, Okay, then at least you left a problem unsolved and you don't know how to solve it still [13:48] pip : don't confuse 'wouldn't solve it' with 'don't know how to solve it' [13:48] m0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-7210a271cd11551d) joined ##slackware. [13:48] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-24-14-21-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] I see, I know you can [13:49] ananke, The fstab is deadly fine [13:50] did i ask for your interpretation? no. [13:50] either show the stuff you're asked for, or don't bother [13:50] What is it for this variable for the 'virtualbox-ose' package: "** iasl (variable IASL) not found!" [13:50] wait [13:51] asarch : google [13:51] ananke, Why are you so rude ? [13:51] pip : why are you so naive? don't confuse straight forward approach with rudeness [13:52] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [13:53] pip: Simple fact of the matter is, if you want people to help, you have to help in return and provide the needed information. [13:54] josemanuel (n=josemanu@67.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:54] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) left irc: "Bye Bye" [13:56] ananke, http://pastebin.com/m61a71df7 [13:56] now, we need your /etc/fstab and your kernel config [13:57] wait, I'm doing [13:58] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:58] ananke, http://pastebin.com/m375bb230 [14:00] pip : did you include reiserfs module in your initrd? [14:00] Yes [14:00] because i see that reiserfs is selected as a module, while it's used for your root filesystem [14:00] -m reiserfs ? [14:00] dunno, i don't use slackware with initrds [14:00] I am sure I included it what else modules do I need for ramdisk ? [14:00] README.initrd lays that all out [14:01] look in /boot [14:01] Dominian, I have read that doc twice [14:01] that's the fun part - using slackware's mkinitrd you don't know what dependencies you need [14:01] as in, it doesn't tell you [14:01] usually doing -m is enough [14:02] unless you have a raid controller that you need to load [14:02] pip : what type of a drive is it anyway? ide, sata, scsi? [14:02] pip: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh will tell you exactly what mkinitrd command to use ... [14:02] alienBOB, has a mkinitrd tool [14:02] IDE [14:02] PATA [14:02] alienBOB, shell script ? [14:03] if you built IDE/PATA support as a module that will have to be included in your initrd.img too [14:03] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.19) joined ##slackware. [14:03] Do I need to load ata_piix ahci and pata_acpi module as well ? [14:03] is 2.6.28 now set to have pata drivers with libata? [14:03] Not per se [14:04] i see you have scsi support set to Y, but scsi block device set to M [14:04] Pig_Pen, No need to include it explicitly ? [14:04] ananke, Long time ago [14:04] pip : long time ago what? pata drivers got to use libata? [14:04] scsi only for my CD-ROM [14:04] pip, i build my kernels in such a way that an initrd is unnecessary [14:05] ananke, yes, before 2.6.28 I think [14:05] that's not so long ago. just this year [14:05] error: mount /dev/sda5 on /mnt, no such device , ERROR: /sbin/init not found on rootdev ...... you also said your grubing from a different distro... i think thats the problem [14:05] Pig_Pen, why not try build it with initrd ? [14:05] didn't you say sda5 was / ? [14:05] dont like it and dont want it [14:05] ananke, Okay [14:05] sounds like udev is not working [14:05] jonsmith1982, It's my root partition for slackware [14:05] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: [14:06] mkinitrd is old and out dated technology [14:06] orly? what's the 'new' technology? [14:06] There is mkinitcpio I think [14:06] It's the next generation [14:07] Pity that slackware doesn't ship with it [14:07] right. show me one major distro with it [14:07] Archlinux [14:07] and no, gentoo doesn't count. [14:07] neither does archlinux [14:07] Then I don't know [14:08] exactly. until then, it's not outdated [14:08] But the hook thing is pretty cool [14:08] hmmm, mkinitrd works for me pretty well [14:09] I got a well configured custom kernel of 2.6.28, that needs initrd support, but just doesn't boot for me [14:09] rob0, If you can help me [14:09] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [14:09] pip try with lilo on slackware. then go back to grubbing from a different distro. [14:10] I don't have to use lilo, grub is fine [14:11] ok goodluck. [14:11] Action: pip goes back to work [14:14] b750mhzslinky (n=b750mhzs@74-60-197-244.ama.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] this post is funny: "PS2 Slim $60 OBO - $60 (Blacksburg) I have a PS2 slim that i would like to sell. It works great just do not play it. Please contact for more info. " [14:14] not sure if it's intentional, or just a case of bad engrish [14:14] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:14] Dominus (n=SuN@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:14] hehe [14:15] haha, I bet it's missing an "; I" [14:15] m0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-7210a271cd11551d) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:16] pip, I don't understand why you'd make a custom kernel that needs initrd. [14:16] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] I'm not interested enough to scroll up and find out what the real problem was, I was only responding to this: 19:06 < pip> mkinitrd is old and out dated technology [14:17] Actually it sounds like a PEBKAC being blamed on the software. [14:17] what is what you have to use now? [14:17] rob0: Neither do I unless / is encrypted which I doubt. [14:18] rob0, I don't understand why you asked this question. [14:18] gm152, yeah, that makes sense. [14:18] because we all know that whatever archlinux does, it automatically obsoletes whatever the rest of the linux community uses [14:18] rob0, I will figure it out on my own : ) [14:18] sarcasm does travel through irc, impressive [14:19] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:19] If there is no problems to solve, that's the problem of slackware, isn't it ? [14:19] sense please make [14:20] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-24-14-21-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:21] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "I mean it" [14:21] make sense error: no such file or directory [14:22] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [14:22] m0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-1c37b2972a11a30c) joined ##slackware. [14:22] goldim (n=goldim@unaffiliated/goldim) joined ##slackware. [14:23] goldim (n=goldim@unaffiliated/goldim) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:23] rob0: I always assume a wetware error until I can prove that it is either hardware or software. [14:23] yup [14:24] And in my 2 years or so in full time support + life experience, the likely hood of a given problem is mostly wetware, then software (and a lot of times this wind up being related to wetare errors) and least likely hardware as the source. [14:25] hmm /dev/ptmx is use by xterm (and i was hoping to shut off Legacy PTY's in the kernel) [14:25] can anyone tell me if shutting off Legacy PTY's in the kernel will make it impossible for me to use xterm? [14:25] and the most common targets for blame afaik are OS, then ISP [14:27] dude wtf i opened rxvt, Terminal, and konsole and now all those programs are /dev/ptmx [14:27] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:28] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:29] it's alright to install 12.1 packages on 12.2? [14:29] i can find the source for acidrip [14:29] s/can/can't [14:29] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:29] why must (it seems) all devices on my system use tty1? [14:29] all? [14:29] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [14:30] well there sure are a lot of programs on it [14:30] only my cellphone uses tty1 [14:31] Dominus (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:31] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:31] so, that wouldnt be problematic to use 12.1 packages on a 12.2 system? [14:31] bash, startx, xinit, xfce4-session, xfwm4, Thunar, all xfce4 panel plugins, and basically all programs running on this machine use tty1? wtf? [14:31] TwinReverb, did u upgrade? [14:32] smax (n=bearpers@24.115.113.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] hi [14:32] Cann0n, it all depends on what it was compiled against and if those libs have changed between 12.1 and 12.2 [14:32] it may work [14:32] or not [14:32] 04/17/2000 *gulp*: New stable version rxvt-2.6.2 (kind of old) [14:32] try it [14:32] im just curious, whats the advantage to resolving dependancies by hand ? [14:32] i upgraded and 12.2 somehow switched from ext3 to 2... and was a big fail lol. :( [14:33] Cann0n, no, clean 12.2 install [14:33] so i just fresh installed [14:33] smax, auto deps solving can do crazy things to your system [14:33] ah... i dunno then... i do know that i will NEVER upgrade again... only fresh installs [14:34] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@24.115.113.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:34] smax kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: smax, you don't get to wear your ass for a hat on one day and then come back the next wanting help. Oh, and we don't like racist people either. Go away. [14:34] i followed the HOWTO as best as i could... even printed it out [14:34] lol [14:36] whats you's guys's favorite (preferably efficient) way of backing-up/ripping dvd's? [14:36] Ha. Now the dumbass is pm-flooding the bot. What an assprobe. [14:37] acidrip was my fav, but im sure there is a better way [14:37] Action: alienBOB thinks he missed the fun... [14:37] Cann0n: i use Slackware's makepkg to make packages out of directories of files before burning them [14:38] alienBOB: that's the guy you banned yesterday. :) [14:38] acid is my fav :) [14:38] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:39] Yes but how did you know rworkman [14:39] Pig_Pen, i mean as far as copying dvds in .avi to my system so i dont have to take them with me on my trip [14:39] i copy dvds with vobcopy [14:39] rworkman, know anything about /dev/tty1 ? [14:39] dvd::rip is bloated and i dunno how to use mencoder via without a frontend [14:39] alienBOB: I have a good memory :) [14:40] vobcopy huh? [14:40] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:40] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [14:40] yup, try it, you'll like it [14:40] i have some scripts to do dvd->avi [14:40] but i need to update them [14:40] really? scripts u say? [14:40] b750mhzslinky (n=b750mhzs@74-60-197-244.ama.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:40] then i can put on my ftp [14:41] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:41] got a link? [14:41] mainly use vobcopy, mencoder, ffmpeg etc [14:41] no i havent put them up yet [14:41] need user friendlying [14:41] ah. well maybe next time [14:41] TwinReverb: I don't understand the question [14:41] i will look at them now and see what i can do [14:41] heh. [14:42] rworkman, i wanted to disable Legacy (BSD) PTY support in the kernel config but noticed that nearly all my X applications are using that [14:42] i.e. fuser -uv /dev/tty1 [14:42] ever disabled Legacy (BSD) PTY support? [14:43] I haven't, at least not in a long time. [14:43] Memory is the second thing to go when you're getting old. I can't remember what the first one was. [14:44] rob0: hint: viagra [14:44] ;-) [14:45] just asking [14:45] it's a test kernel so i'll try it (duh) [14:45] lol [14:45] but viagra wont help memory loss, he wont remember what to do with it [14:45] i have major memory loss.... [14:45] i cant remember where im at... [14:46] Cann0n: You are at $PWD. [14:46] lol [14:46] im at some wifi spot [14:47] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host234-44-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:47] well, the journey continues [14:47] Action: TwinReverb hacks Cann0n so he can tell him where he is at [14:47] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [14:48] rworkman, if i delete something in /dev and i'm using udev, it's going to be repopulated after reboot, right? [14:48] i'll be back one of these days... dive, get them scripts public. :) [14:48] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [14:48] i'm thinking compile new text kernel without legacy pty's, then delete /dev/tty1, reboot, etc but i don't know, and i figured you would know best [14:49] I don't believe it's udev's job to repopulate after manual deletion. [14:50] TwinReverb, why would you delete something in /dev? it's handled through udev these days [14:50] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [14:51] it will be there after the next reboot [14:51] nachox, just asking (saw google traffic concerning xterm problems) [14:51] TwinReverb: correct [14:52] I'm not sure you have a real problem. [14:52] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [14:53] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left ##slackware. 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[14:59] hardware FAIL [15:00] straterra, I wa strying to OOM but I instead segfaulted [15:00] ooh..i see [15:00] oom FAIL [15:00] there has to be fail somewhere :D [15:00] tis the way of the 'verse [15:00] cat /dev/urandom > /dev/mem [15:01] err [15:01] that..wont cause oom me thinks [15:01] caused a segfault [15:01] straterra, it will kill the system [15:01] straFAIL :P [15:02] straterra, what was the linux boot cd/dvd you were developing once upon a time? stratux? [15:02] that'll do bad stuff [15:02] yes [15:02] stratux [15:02] gewt, that wont invoke oom though [15:02] whats the easiest way to cause oom? [15:02] for that...do a forkbomb [15:02] yay [15:02] and turn off swap [15:02] oom is memory usage? [15:02] i have no swap [15:02] m0nik3r (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-b2c08cce7108747d) joined ##slackware. [15:03] out of memory [15:03] catting stuff to /dev/mem will modify whats in the running memory [15:03] uhmm, why would you forkbomb to get oom? [15:03] that's just silly [15:04] ananke, if you spawned a bunch of processes which used all the memory... [15:04] One of my fav infinite loops: for (i = 0; i < 2; i++) {i--;} [15:04] straterra : and he'd be forkbombing, rather than focusing on oom [15:04] yay fork bomb! ... oh, wait >.< [15:04] straterra, ever thought of a slackware 12.2 live? [15:04] Just add in a malloc() to that, and you'll get your oom [15:04] do not forkbomb yourself. hold a second, i'll give you sample program to do it [15:04] anyone happen to know of a time when selecting 4k stacks in kernel config broke something? [15:04] just asking before i try it [15:05] TwinReverb: yes..and yes [15:05] used to break ndiswrapper [15:05] and some versions of wine [15:05] gewt : here: http://pastebin.com/d51baf3f4 [15:05] doesn't something like foo[1-4].sh expand to foo1.sh foo2.sh foo3.sh... etc? [15:05] hmm i don't use either, but ... [15:05] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Success [15:05] old versions o both [15:06] of* [15:06] repeat after me: forkbombs are a bad idea, unless you're after a forkbomb [15:06] hiptobecubic, try echoing it :-) [15:06] my bad [15:06] forkbombs are a good idea, unless you are after a forkbomb [15:06] ananke: Like that? ;) [15:06] hahahahaha [15:06] nathanbw, i know the syntax is incorrect, but i'm not sure what it is supposed to be [15:07] hey i have a question. in my kernel config i notice that some <*> items select others, which turn to {M}. {} means it's selected by something else. if it's selected by something else that's <*>, should i make what has been selected {*} ? [15:07] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] TwinReverb : that's up to you [15:08] TwinReverb: I would personally, but that is just me. [15:08] just because you enable usb support, doesn't mean you should automatically have all usb drivers compled in [15:08] the defaults are there for a reason [15:09] s/compled/compiled [15:09] well basically all of USB and firewire and all other non-essential, stuff is on mine, but i'm just asking [15:09] so, it's on a case-by-case basis. [15:09] i would assume if you went to <*> on something you need, that item would turn other items it needs into {*} or else complain and then you go find what it needs and enable it [15:10] ok, just checking [15:10] TwinReverb : again, look at the example i gave you [15:10] once in a while i get some message during compile about mismatches [15:10] but the kernel still works and i don't see any error messages after reading through logs, and nothing seems to break [15:10] just because you enable USB support, it doesn't mean you need all of the USB drivers compiled in. that's the logic behind turning things on as modules by default [15:10] roger that [15:10] anyways thanks [15:11] ananke, building kernel ? [15:11] pip : huh? [15:11] pip, no, i am, he was only commenting [15:12] Action: ananke doesn't compile kernels these days [15:12] gotcha [15:12] ananke: You have interns for that now? 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[15:15] nathanbw : forgot ';' before done [15:16] jonsmith1982, Because I'm waiting for the ful release of ext4 which attracts me most [15:16] And, that looks like a do loop not a for loop [15:16] Nevermind, didn't read it right [15:16] Need more caffiene [15:16] ananke, ah yes. quite :-) [15:16] nathanbw, that doesn't really help me though as i don't want to type out a bunch of numbers [15:16] nathanbw : and thanks to bash, you can substitute '1 2 3 4' for {1..4} :) [15:16] hiptobecubic, true. 'echo foo{1..4}.sh' seems to close [15:17] yeah, unfortunately this server i'm working on has bash 2.x and that doesn't seem to work. figures [15:17] pip, and ext4 more or less doesn't show itself to be clearly better or clearly worse than xfs. the tests i read went back and forth between the two (much less benchmarks like that don't apply to the average Joe at home) [15:17] s/close/work/ [15:17] hiptobecubic, sad :-( [15:17] my advice: use something slackware 12.2 supports. if 12.3 or 13.0 or wtf-ever supports ext4 and you want to try it, go right ahead, but really there's not that much of a difference [15:17] hiptobecubic, what os/version? [15:17] TwinReverb, I have read the doc as the one you mentioned I guess [15:18] i realized something, pip, about a month ago: those benchmarks are not real world for the average joe on a laptop or at home [15:18] and probably never will be, because most linux FS are already pretty damn efficient [15:19] hiptobecubic, you could use $(seq 1 4) [15:19] OCD-ing over which FS you use only wastes your time playing around with your data. trust me on this: i wasted my time and i'm trying to prevent you from wasting yours [15:19] but either way, it's your life [15:19] pip: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4#head-634429ff2676cfc0e86fe9acd7bfa1d2237f2910 [15:19] nathanbw, how can i see what distro it is from the commandline? [15:19] Ext4 is much better than ext3 [15:19] hiptobecubic : cat /etc/*release /etc/*version [15:19] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [15:20] 'uname -a' maybe? [15:20] uname -a never shows a distro [15:20] cat /etc/issue [15:20] ah yes, just tried it. True ananke [15:20] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [15:20] how about we all just spam random files to cat [15:20] Debian [15:20] cat /etc/slackware-version [15:21] pip, yes, but i don't see anything that proves that ext4 > xfs [15:21] and even then, like i said before ... you're not running a mail server for IBM at your home [15:21] Okay, I gotcha [15:21] No, I'm just a personal computer user [15:21] Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l [15:22] when (like the test does) 8GB read and write operations are frequent, then it matters. until then, it don't :) [15:22] take it from me, an almost-clinically-OCD person :) [15:22] i consistently write 12GB+ single files to a mirror array, and that's just at home [15:24] ext4 is backwards compatible think that is the only thing good with it really [15:24] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:24] Action: pip is going to let his computer build a kernel while he is chatting on IRC [15:24] pip, i was doing it before you were :P [15:24] :) lol [15:25] okay [15:26] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:34] sometimes i wonder if some of those tin foil hats did the Van Goeth thing and shaved off an ear (or maybe two) in order to fit their tin foil hats better :S [15:35] lol [15:35] it's times like this that i wish i had the Concrete Donkey (tm) from Worms II [15:35] [tm] [15:35] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] hello [15:35] [15:36] any of you guys setup a samsung printer in linux? [15:36] TwinReverb: writing like that doesnt make you cool [15:36] *with* their crappy drivers? [15:36] mR-S (n=mre@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:37] they provide a gui printer driver that is broken [15:37] :( [15:37] for slackware it doesnt look to see if cups is located at /etc/rc.d/rc.cups [15:37] ;P [15:37] i really like the new version of sbopkg [15:37] lol [15:38] after i edited the install script and pointed it to cups, it installed okay, but then asks me to pick a driver from the list... the list was empty lol [15:38] lol [15:39] cups list empty? or samsung? [15:39] after canceling their gui installer all the necessary ppd's and relevent files are installed so the cups web based printer setup works [15:39] thats ok then [15:39] yea [15:39] just an unnecessary headache [15:39] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-58.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [15:43] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [15:44] wtf [15:44] their crap drivers ruined my permissions [15:45] http://rafb.net/p/v7lm7d72.html [15:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-177-196.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:46] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:48] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Hi all [15:49] I have a Realtek ALC650E sound chip, on a slack 12.1 computer, and the sound is static-y. It pops and is driving me nuts. [15:49] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:49] Fenix-Dark: yup it's known their drivers are insanely bad. [15:50] Action: Zosma did the same thing, just copy PPDs and the necessary filters. [15:50] I know the speakers are good because I used to have them on a different computer and they never sounded like that. Is there anything constructive I can do about this? [15:50] Zosma, unfortunately i couldn't get my (ML-1630) printer working w/out their drivers [15:50] Mmm I've got a ML-1710p here... shouldn't make much of a difference. [15:50] ok [15:50] what files did you copy besides the .ppd? [15:51] (i'd like to know for future installs) [15:51] mooglenorph, use kmix and mute your mic input [15:51] Not really sure to be honest, but it was filters... [15:51] and lower the PCM volume to ~80% [15:51] Zosma, ok [15:51] Was a time ago I did it, but maybe I can find them. [15:52] i tried just copying the ppd [15:52] but as you said you need the filters too [15:52] Yeah the PPD alone was not enough. [15:53] Fenix-Dark, tried that [15:53] Ah yeah it was a bunch of files from the CD that I copied into /usr/lib/cups/filter/ Fenix-Dark. [15:53] ok [15:53] They were hard to find on the CD though (as were the PPDs, like 5 directories deep or something). [15:53] its a shame, the printer its self is very sleek and quiet [15:53] I'm *never* touching their GUI/installer again :-) [15:53] Yeah indeed. [15:54] i had to install the same shitty drivers for os x [15:54] which requires some printer monitoring utility [15:54] Fenix-Dark: aye... [15:54] http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/18/0319203 [15:54] Someone in the comments did the same thing. [15:55] mR-S-Lack (n=mre@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:56] why is that not considered malicious intent? [15:57] You think so? Could be... but I doubt Samsung could do anything useful with it. [15:58] setting random programs that have file browsing and writing ability suid is not cool at all [15:58] mR-S-Lack (n=mre@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Client Quit [15:58] mR-S (n=mre@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [15:58] if oo.o is suid what stops a macro from doing whatever it wants? [15:59] Ugh. [15:59] Nothing, but I still think it was lazyness/lack of knowledge from some minion programmer. [15:59] *of some [15:59] We'll never know though. [16:00] Anything else to do besides muting mike and lowering PCM levels? [16:00] kresho (i=kresho@server1.bshellz.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:00] I'm using mpd, if it helps. [16:00] (from slackbuild) [16:02] I've got no clue mooglenorph, ALC655 works fine here. Apart from some 'jitter/gliches' when seeking through files in, say, Amarok or Xine (which is the same thing basically). [16:03] _mr_S (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:03] mooglenorph: ever tested it under Windows? [16:03] Zosma, no, I don't have any copies of it, even (too poor :-\) [16:04] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [16:04] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:05] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [16:05] It so happens that my internet connection is also a sad thing. [16:05] :-) [16:05] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:05] mooglenorph, try booting off a knoppix livecd [16:05] Fenix-Dark, oh, good call [16:14] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [16:16] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [16:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:17] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.40.119) joined ##slackware. [16:18] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [16:20] hello happy slackers [16:20] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-248.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [16:21] gotta love banshee developers [16:21] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [16:21] y0 [16:22] banshee had a option that had a bug.... instead of fixing it... they removed that option [16:22] hilarious [16:22] lol [16:22] lazy stoners [16:22] had some trouble today [16:23] C++ source files on my system were full of special chars on a different unix [16:23] think it has to do with the remote machine using utf-8 [16:23] anybody got any idea how to solve that? [16:24] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:24] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) left irc: [16:28] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. 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[17:02] Where does Slackware stores the info about the system's name? [17:03] lol [17:03] asarch, you mean hostname? [17:03] Yes [17:03] /etc/HOSTNAME [17:03] man hostname [17:03] Oh, thank you slackytude [17:03] :-) [17:03] ^-^ [17:04] Which program am I supposed to use to pair a bluetooth headset in Slackware 12.2 ? I found the MAC address using hcitool [17:05] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:05] blueztooth? [17:05] hi there [17:05] Hi! [17:05] any way to install system on clean hard drive [17:05] but [17:05] I have started system [17:05] mounted this clear partition [17:05] asarch, I did a full slackware install and I don't have this program [17:06] and mounted instalation CD [17:06] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [17:06] You should: bluez-utils-3.36-i486-4 [17:06] mac-: see the ROOT variable of installpkg(8) [17:06] ls /var/log/packages | grep bluez [17:06] lionel_ (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] lionel_ (n=lionel@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:06] asarch, yes that package is installed [17:07] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:07] test34: you might need this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/kde-bluetooth-dies-693167/ [17:07] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-90-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: "Leaving" [17:07] thanks rworkman [17:08] hello everyone [17:08] cat /var/log/packages/bluez-utils-3.36-i486-4 [17:08] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [17:09] I'm having a tough time with an X issue. [17:09] Nick change: m0nik3r -> m0nik3r42 [17:09] asarch, cat /var/log/packages/bluez-utils-3.36-i486-4 | grep blueztooh returns nothing [17:09] slackd0Od (n=slackd00@c-24-19-217-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Nick change: m0nik3r42 -> m0nik3r1294837 [17:10] Last night X froze and I could not move any windows, so I ctrl+alt+bs and it took me out though it just kept saying waiting for X server to allow connection and then .. [17:10] .. .. .. .. [17:10] Look for the binaries at the 'usr/bin/' dir [17:10] every line [17:10] I had to reset the pc [17:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:11] and I notice my sound has been acting funny in FF if I have multiple firefox pages open that have sound on them. [17:11] Sound will often quite or become distorted. [17:12] .... . .-.. .-.. --- [17:12] any suggestions/ideas? [17:13] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] mrselfpwn, that is odd. what version of slackware do you have and where did you get flash from? [17:13] the sound isn't too much of an issue as I can restart firefox for it to work though X crashing is not so good [17:13] which programs were you running in X when it froze? [17:13] i have slackware 12.2 [17:14] and flash is flash 10 from adobe's site [17:14] Which desktop environment are you using? [17:14] xfce [17:14] Oh [17:14] It usually happens with XFCE [17:14] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:14] Nick change: slackd0Od -> slackd00d [17:14] i've not had problems like that in xfce [17:14] i see [17:15] o0 [17:15] Never used xfce. [17:15] Try to move all you data to another dir and then try to re-login [17:15] .config ? [17:15] mkdir older && find $HOME -maxdepth 1 -not -name older -exec mv {} older \; [17:16] Then, after that you can restore just the data you need [17:16] arcsky (i=arcsky@phuss-1-pt.tunnel.tserv11.ams1.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] mkdir $HOME/older && find $HOME -maxdepth 1 -not -name older -exec mv {} older \; [17:16] Ok, i will do that [17:16] You must do this *OUTSIDE* the X11 environment [17:16] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:17] BRB! [17:17] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [17:18] sounds to me like a video driver bug with flash [17:18] which card and driver? [17:18] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) joined ##slackware. [17:18] and have you tried any other DEs like kde? [17:18] fluxbox etc? [17:19] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) joined ##slackware. [17:19] whatever the problem is, my bet is that its flash that is broken rather than the video driver [17:19] flux ==wm [17:19] s/its/it's/ [17:19] I had a problem a little bit ago where firefox kept crashing [17:20] indeed [17:20] right after I upgraded to flash 10. I rolled back to nine and that fixed it. [17:20] I've upgraded again to a later version of 10 and it's been fine. [17:20] It never took down my whole wm, though, just firefox. [17:20] Flash is pretty horrible. [17:20] The good think of Linux is, if a program simply stops to work as it should, you just remove all its configuration file from your home account and voila! [17:21] anywho [17:21] donate to the FSF.. gnash is going to get a good share of the money, as it is on the "priority projects" list [17:21] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@92.250.44.75) joined ##slackware. [17:22] asarch: that has NOTHING to do with linux..and that isn't a constant [17:22] Braunne (n=Pete@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] I know [17:22] asarch: linux is just a kernel.. it doesnt deal with how userland apps work ;-) [17:23] the GNU part eh [17:23] no o.O [17:23] That isn't something eclusive to GNU either [17:23] rather the "this is customary on any unix like OS" [17:23] or.. "sane apps write a sane, default config file when there isn't one present" [17:24] macavity, how decent is gnash these days? [17:25] its not [17:25] I saved that command you gave to a backup.sh file. Just executing it outside of X should do the trick right? [17:25] it can play youtube (most the time) [17:26] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [17:26] arcsky (i=arcsky@phuss-1-pt.tunnel.tserv11.ams1.ipv6.he.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:27] nothing else I need to do after wards i mean? [17:28] mooglenorph: but if you really want to know anything about it, ask psychichist (or how the heck it is spelled) who also frequents these waters [17:28] anyone remember how to spell his name? [17:28] s/name/handle/ :P [17:29] zr0gee (n=zr0gee@0x50a06cc2.naenxx5.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:30] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Braunne (n=Pete@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:34] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:35] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: "01001110 01100101 01110010 01100100 00100001" [17:36] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:36] alexb_ (n=alexb@user-142g4f9.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:36] What is the easiest way to check if i have the particular dependency ? [17:36] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:36] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:37] what is the dep? [17:38] scons, libsig++, libxml++ and Swig. PyGTK [17:38] slackware does not come with libsigc++ [17:39] but go on slackbuilds.org and make yourself a package [17:39] muxer: you'd know if you had those because you would have installed them [17:39] my guess is that he's already there [17:39] alexb_ (n=alexb@user-142g4f9.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:42] friggens (n=bearpers@70.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] i returned Quake Wars Enemy Territory to best buy becuase it doesent require you to play with the CD [17:42] i got $31 store credit. and got the matrix collection. is that niggrish ? [17:42] Nick change: friggens -> smax [17:42] :P [17:42] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [17:43] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left irc: "Leaving." [17:43] that is theft [17:43] Action: gm152_ awaits the pulling of the trigger. [17:43] lol [17:43] FriedBob: are you just spamming that in every channel you are to see the reaction? [17:43] sorry not FriedBob [17:43] smax: what is your problem? [17:44] nullboy, can we still be angry at FriedBob? [17:44] sure he likes it anyway [17:44] good [17:44] theft? or improvising? [17:44] theft? or niggrish. [17:44] lol [17:44] can someone ban this guy already please [17:45] what? [17:45] it's becuase im black. isn't it. [17:45] nullboy: That would be the second or more times today. [17:45] at least i have the matrix. [17:45] oh. it's smax again [17:45] :P [17:45] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:46] is it ok to spread the word of the Klan here? [17:46] not slackware related [17:46] so no [17:46] which is why i asked [17:46] According to the ban message I saw earlier, I would say no. [17:46] Nick change: smax -> kkkguy [17:46] Nick change: kkkguy -> nig_GER [17:46] lol [17:46] im fun-e [17:46] how do you recall ban messages ? [17:47] I second the call for a ban [17:47] if you ban me i'll just come back on an other computer. there is no avoiding the nerdy nigger. [17:47] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [17:47] whats the phone number for the ban? [17:47] Nick change: nig_GER -> yahzzenazzi [17:48] can't we ddos him or something? [17:48] hiptobecubic, that would be illegal [17:48] whats ddos ? [17:48] it's an OS [17:48] denial of service attack ? [17:48] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:48] distributed denial of service attack [17:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] i dare you. [17:48] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=bearpers@*.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net' by nachox!n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24 [17:48] yahzzenazzi kicked from ##slackware by nachox: nachox [17:48] Action: slackytude aproves [17:48] hooray [17:49] lawl [17:49] Action: Fenix-Dark angrily points his index finger at FriedBob [17:49] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [17:49] this is all your fault [17:49] who's FriedBob anyway [17:49] lol [17:49] the guy who is to blame, appaerently [17:49] sounds like alienBOB imitator [17:50] ... [17:50] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:50] Nick change: nullboy -> nullbob [17:50] lol [17:51] wxPython takes long to compile ;-/ [17:51] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-68-95-72-150.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] to get a fried bob first you get a cast iron skillet, put in some bacon grease, heat throw in one bob dobbs and sear to a golden crunchy brown [17:54] Nick change: nullbob -> nullboy [17:55] pip (n=pip@219.140.54.184) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Nick change: hiptobecubic -> hiptobobcubic [17:56] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [17:56] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:56] Hrm...http://ptd.net/tiki-index.php?page=Residential+Policies <-- scroll down to "Stalking/Harassment" :) [17:56] Action: rworkman gets busy. [17:57] UML tool over wireless and two ssh -X sure takes long to react [17:57] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy78.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:57] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [17:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:58] Nick change: hiptobobcubic -> hiptobecubic [17:58] "Internet: The Internet is an international computer network. The Internet is not owned, operated, or affiliated in any way with PenTeleData, Inc." [17:58] heh [17:59] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [17:59] nice disclaimer [17:59] lol [17:59] Greetings Programs [18:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Greetings O great Owl that is Nyte [18:02] wassup? [18:02] segmentation fault [18:03] not a great way to start the year [18:03] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:03] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) left irc: "Leaving" [18:03] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:04] sticks (n=hyperion@ppp118-208-75-35.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [18:05] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [18:06] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:06] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [18:06] hi NyteOwl [18:06] hiya nachox, Happy New Hear [18:06] er Year [18:07] thanks, you too [18:07] ##slackware: mode change '-o nachox' by nachox!n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24 [18:08] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-248.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:09] I have slack 12.2 on my Eee 900A [18:10] why are ops always giving and taking away their powers? [18:10] However, it does not auto mount any flash drive, as usually slack does... [18:10] I [18:11] hiptobecubic, they are stealth ops [18:11] hiptobecubic: usually no need to advertise and it's easier to catch the trolls :) [18:11] can you manually mount your flash drive? [18:11] Ninja ops [18:11] hehe [18:11] can't see em until its too late [18:11] Action: nachox gets his hanzo katana [18:11] oh [18:12] Pig_Pen, ? [18:12] I'm in the plugdev group and HAL is installed.. [18:12] Pig_Pen, lemme see if manually... [18:12] oh, nvm [18:12] I manually mount mine all the time :) [18:13] rworkman, so are we sending a chat log to penteledata ? :D:D:D [18:13] i prefer to manually mount removeable drives [18:13] i'm a pretty big fan of automounting [18:13] since i almost never plug it in if i don't want to mount it too [18:14] i might be multitasking and i dont want konqueror to launch as a file manager & auto-mount drives, gets in the way of other things i may be doing, mount is too easy of a command to execute anyway [18:15] Pig_Pen, I mounted it manually. No problem..however, I miss the automount feature. [18:15] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.19) left irc: "Bye Bye" [18:16] for example if i decide to mount something i may insert the removeable media, and will mount it when i am ready to extract data from it [18:16] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] doesnt both hal & dbus work together to do that automount thing? [18:16] On my Eee I didn't install all slackware, as I usually do... so maybe something is missing for the automount feature to work... [18:16] could be [18:16] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:17] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Pig_Pen, ude, hal, dbus [18:18] *udev [18:18] udev does the detecting, dbus transports the information, hal mounts it [18:18] I see... I'll check... [18:19] ah! ha! i knew that it took more than just hal [18:19] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [18:20] All udev, hald and dbus are running... [18:21] maybe a udev rule to set dbus & hal in motion to do the automount thing [18:21] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:24] It's an option... [18:25] communicator (n=abc@89.155.1.151) joined ##slackware. [18:25] hi again :) [18:25] Hi [18:25] what about fstab, did you add an entry for your flasdrive in fstab? and mkdir for the mountpoint? [18:26] http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=54378 read this ganeshix [18:26] I can certainly do that (I've done it in the past), but I wanted to know first if it was an installation problem... [18:27] Pig_Pen, tnx. I'll read that... [18:28] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@92.250.44.75) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:29] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) joined ##slackware. [18:29] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [18:29] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) left irc: Client Quit [18:30] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) joined ##slackware. [18:30] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:33] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] what about autofs in /n ? is that just a network tool? or does it act on local drives too? [18:34] gah [18:35] damn, I did something stupid [18:35] I am planning on setting up my PC to dual boot another linux distro. I know it usually preferable to have a completely other harddrive to do so, but i wont in my case. I wasn't planning on partitioning the harddrive in any crazy fashion. Id have a Swap, boot, slack root, Other nix root, home(shared). This should be do able right? [18:36] yup [18:36] Pig_Pen: I use autofs to automatically mount my network drives on the local filesystem when I "cd" to it's directory [18:36] agentc0re1: i dual boot two Linuxes myself, [18:36] Pig_Pen: In that same fashion, with two root partitions (one for each distro)? [18:37] ok, but autofs has nothing to do with automounting local removable media? [18:37] Pig_Pen, read what he said again [18:37] You don't have problems with the shared home folder? [18:37] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:37] ok, i should have read again :P [18:38] agentc0re1: just make sure you get the same UID on both, and you should be ready to go with that [18:38] yup, agentc0re1, as far as /home goes, just use different user names for each distro just to keep local user config files from becoming a kludge [18:38] Pig_Pen: do you have the same username on both distro's and do they use the same user folder? [18:38] Pig_Pen: you could also automount local media. But the mount happens at the time you access the mount point, not when you insert a USB drive for instance [18:38] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) left irc: "Leaving" [18:38] And after a time of no access, there will also be an automatic umount [18:38] agentc0re1: assuming you want the same user on both systems.. otherwise the oposite is the case [18:39] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] hmm, autofs sounds like a better auto mount thing than seeing everything come to a stop when you insert removable media alienBOB [18:39] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:39] alienBOB, i'm happy to see that the automounter is not THAT dead :P most linux admins do not even know it exists [18:40] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:40] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:40] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) joined ##slackware. [18:41] nachox Pig_Pen I use this rc script: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/rc_scripts/other_rc_scripts/rc.autofs [18:41] cool, thanks alienBOB [18:41] macavity: It's not so much as keeping the same username as it is settings saved. IE, same desktop look or tabs saved in firefox.. etc. Trying to save myself the hassle of configuring it twice if i don't have to, ya know? [18:42] All you need then is an /etc/auto.master and an /etc/auto.host and you're all set [18:43] i have copied config files from one user to another such as ~/.mozilla so my bookmarks & browser prefrences are the same, i am sure it would work with kde and other window managers too [18:44] agentc0re1: observe here that is the UID that controls which user is which.. not the name given [18:44] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) left irc: Client Quit [18:44] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:44] agentc0re1: you can actually edit /etc/passwd if you want to change the login name of a user account.. however, if you change the UID, the systems will think that the home dir is owned by someone else [18:45] I see there are several options. Thank you all for the tips... I'll study them all and then choose... [18:45] agentc0re1: hence my remark on making sure the UIDs were the same (some distros default to 500 and others to 1000 for the first user created) [18:45] zr0gee (n=zr0gee@0x50a06cc2.naenxx5.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] adduser starts at 1000, the last time i used KDE's add user graphical app several years ago it started with 500 [18:46] hiptobecubic: sent :) [18:47] macavity: Correct, i understand all that. I think you may not have understood my question. I think i did find my answer though, and it's probably best to have different users per distro to avoid configuration conflicts with KDE in general. I' [18:47] er [18:48] I'd probably set the UID the same, just change the folder location. [18:48] Pig_Pen: When did that change? Last time I looked all my adduser accounts started int he 500s, but it's been a few years since I looked close at it. [18:48] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] that way i wouldn't run into as many permission issues. [18:48] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:48] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.35.169) joined ##slackware. [18:48] you got the idea agentc0re1 as long as the UID is the same the config files can easily be copied over [18:49] rworkman: does KDE4 use .kde or .kde4 for .files? [18:49] not sure FriedBob, i used adduser for a long time, it was back when kde-2.x was around when i used kde adduser gui frontend, [18:49] macavity: as built here, .kde [18:49] 420 [18:49] er [18:50] rworkman: roger [18:50] agentc0re1: i agree.. that might be the smart move [18:50] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [18:50] i remember changing uid from 500 to 1000 after a fresh slackware install, adduser will chown the ~/ dir of the user you are creating if there is one with the same name [18:51] man it's only 7pm ... [18:51] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:51] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) joined ##slackware. [18:52] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:52] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:54] Pig_Pen: How big did you partition your root partitions? [18:54] let me pastebin that [18:54] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [18:57] raela (n=raela@205.133.95.237) joined ##slackware. [18:57] http://pastebin.com/d5893e1b5 this is what i have, notice i use two partitions for each distro, a / & /usr [18:57] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: ""barbaloot, Sure thing, Time for some rest, recharging, later"" [18:58] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:59] and when venturing in to more than three partitions, only make three primary disk partitions, make the fourth a logical then you can make as many logical disk partitions as you want, if that fourth disk partition is made as a primary disk partition you wont be able to make any more partitions after that (not sure why but that is the way it is) [18:59] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-52-255-109.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:00] Pig_Pen: Yup. i will have to extend like you did as well. [19:01] both distros share the same swap partition, which is small (1 gig) [19:02] bugeye (n=bugeye@rrcs-64-183-34-242.west.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:02] I need to get my mouse working again. It doesn't seem to like to work after I switch the (hardware) KVM over to one of the other machines. [19:04] FriedBob: mouse support built as a module? maybe try rmmod and modprobe it again [19:05] PS/2 mouse using gpm in console, no X on the system. [19:05] It works when I boot the system, but as soon as I switch the KVM to the other machine, when I come back no mouse. Still have keyboard though [19:05] maybe restart gpm ? [19:06] there is an rc file for it in /etc/rc.d [19:06] Maybe. That's kinda a pain though. [19:06] cant be as painful as no mouse [19:06] Pig_Pen: Great well i am off to reconfigure :) this should be fun. i am putting 6 drives in a raid 10 using mdadm and lvm2. Thanks for both of your advice and help, Pig_Pen and macavity :D [19:06] No go [19:07] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:07] good luck agentc0re1 [19:07] Pig_Pen: I don't run X, so all I miss from no mouse is abilty to copy/paste [19:07] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [19:07] i like X too much to run in console mode except when necessary [19:08] I run 3 systems side by side, counting the 2 on the KVM as 1. [19:08] The other one is my wife's, so I don't really use it all that much. [19:08] i just have two, one in the bedroom and one in the office to the right of the living room [19:09] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:10] Hey UK'ers. What do we think of this? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5439604.ece [19:10] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [19:11] thats damn crazy hiptobecubic [19:11] By we, i mean you. As i'm in the states. [19:12] Pig_Pen, isn't it though? [19:12] you dont think the usa does that covertly? i bet the fbi, & nsa does it [19:12] sure, but they aren't going to come out and declare it and advertise it as a service to other countries. [19:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:13] how the hell do they plan on "hacking" into a fortified home network? [19:13] nullboy, i was curios about that too [19:13] time to switch to something more secure and better locked down? Openbsd? or similar? [19:14] i guess everyone that likes looking at child porn on their unfirewalled windows95 box will finally get what's coming to them [19:15] oh good Windows CE devices are affect as well that use that driver that was on the Zune [19:15] paranoidlinux [19:15] kitche: did you see the source code that driver? [19:15] they probably have a back door courtesy of microsoft so windows PCs are an easy crack, but BSD & the Linuxes should not give in to such shenanigans [19:15] of that* [19:15] kitche: an epic fail of an if loop [19:16] nullboy, where is it? [19:16] not that hard as you think.. [19:16] MI5 has access to super cool equipment [19:16] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] that normal person wouldnt have [19:16] 'evenin slackware [19:16] hiptobecubic: http://www.aeroxp.org/2009/01/lesson-on-infinite-loops/ [19:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:17] thanks [19:17] nullboy: yea just looked at it [19:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Anyone recommend a simple prog for capturing the desktop in a video? Something small, no gui would be nice. [19:17] Conflict_80: recordmydesktop [19:17] nullboy, thx [19:18] available at SBo... the software distributor you can *trust*! [19:19] :P [19:19] Anyone else have any ideas about my mouse issue? [19:19] lol yeh, used it last night, took me compiling 3 packages from the source before realizing i was also supposed to DL the SlackBuild files and make a pkg ;) [19:19] get a cat to chase your mouse :D [19:21] I just checked, it's working fine on the winbox also attached to the KVM [19:21] Conflict_80: RIF ;-) [19:21] psshhh its way more fun doing it the totally wrong way then spending a half an hour giving your monitor dirty looks while you try to figure out where u went wrong [19:23] if you read the fabulous manual before you venture out in the world of conduct you dont "went wrong" :P [19:24] my learning process has always involved swearing and thoughts of physically assaulting the pc [19:24] dont get near my stuff! :P [19:25] no shouting i hope, its bad for the hard drives [19:25] ive always read, perhaps too much, before i start actually attempting things [19:25] lol [19:25] mind you, installing half of the packages for compiz from the source, and half with slack packages...does not work, but i had fun fixing my mess [19:25] nooper: that is about *the* most silly experiment ive ever seen slashdot to cover [19:26] hehe [19:27] Conflict_80: i gather you learned something about ./configure's defaults then :P [19:28] nah, make uninstall and forget ;) [19:28] >_< [19:28] i just backtracked and started over the right way [19:28] chasmo77 (n=chas@69.4.149.188) joined ##slackware. [19:29] mind you that far from all make files have the uninstall target [19:29] *makefiles [19:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:29] eww, yeh, so much for making a vid of compiz in action, choppy unusable crapstorm while running recording prog and compiz [19:30] nvidia? [19:30] nope [19:30] then? [19:30] ati x1300 [19:30] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] which driver? [19:30] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [19:30] fglrx...i know, i should change that [19:31] reminds me of my brother's PC, he has a TV card that has a really crappy driver and the picture is choppy [19:31] anka-ar (n=andres@unaffiliated/anka-ar) joined ##slackware. [19:31] hello [19:31] hi [19:31] :) [19:31] hello [19:31] i'm a new slackware user [19:31] i'd imagine i will be trying the open source driver, also can't watch vids with compiz running [19:31] communicator (n=abc@89.155.1.151) left irc: [19:31] from argentina [19:31] hola [19:31] hola :P [19:31] anka-ar: read all the URLs in the topic then :-) [19:31] i would not buy a TV card, i already own 3 televisions [19:32] anka-ar: other then that, congrats with the wise choise, and wellcome :-) [19:32] i could just ghetto video capture it :) lol set up video camera pointed at my monitor [19:32] its my.., 78/79 linux distribution installed [19:32] :P [19:33] wow [19:33] and .., its soooo simply and soooooooo practic [19:33] u_u [19:33] :') [19:33] i cant remember how many times i installed linux distros [19:33] yes.. thats why we like it :P [19:33] or xp [19:33] well over a 100 probably lol [19:34] ive tried many others, but i always come back "home" to slackware [19:34] i tried fluxbuntu and never came back to xp [19:34] i tried slack and never went back to fluxbuntu [19:34] fluxbuntu :/ [19:34] ? [19:34] ya [19:34] just another *buntu :P [19:34] yay [19:34] with fluxbox [19:34] lol [19:34] [u/k/flux]buntu [19:35] i still use fluxbox with slackware [19:35] fluxbox kicksass ;P [19:35] my drug is KDE+yakuake [19:35] i'm just have a black and white terminal [19:35] i recently started using yakuake, that is one cool terminal [19:35] :/ [19:36] that gives me everything.. lots of bells and whistles + a termial right at my fingertips [19:36] Pig_Pen: yes.. yakuake is the single most enabling KDE app ever created :-) [19:36] the case its that i'm cleaning unnecesary stuff from A [19:37] anka-ar: do so at your own risk... [19:37] i like the auto hide feature when it loses focus (nice) and f12 brings it right back when needed [19:37] anka-ar: dont remove e2fsprogs eventhoug you dont tink you need it... [19:37] na [19:37] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [19:38] it contains libblkid which /sbin/mount is linked to [19:38] i made that mistake once... gives you "interesting" messages when you attempt to re-mount / rw during boot :P [19:39] bash, cups, ed, elvis, floppy, genpower, jfsutils, loadlin, mdadm, minicom, mt-st, mtx, ncompress, pcmciautils, quota, reiserfsprogs, sdparm, splitvt, tch, unarj, xfprogs, zoo [19:39] only that [19:39] :P [19:39] i'm using zsh [19:39] foureyes was supposed to get on 27.555 on 11 meters, but i dont think the propagation is going to be in favorable conditions today [19:40] if you remove bash you get trouble [19:40] TRUST me on that one... [19:40] anka-ar: sounds like a drug list lol [19:40] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176067010.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [19:40] ln -s /bin/bash /bin/zsh [19:40] if i am not mistaken there are syntactical perversions that bash supports that zsh does not [19:41] yes [19:41] and that those are not-so-uncommon in various scripts [19:41] lol @ syntactical perversions [19:41] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [19:41] XD [19:41] Pig_Pen: there is actually a big effort to get them out of bash slowly [19:41] the problem if with the kernel versions [19:41] Pig_Pen: bash is aiming for POSIX compliance [19:41] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [19:41] ever try tcsh or csh? [19:42] huge huge-smp, generic, etc [19:42] anka-ar: generic-smp + initrd is the "official" way to do things [19:42] anka-ar: /boot/README.initrd for instructions [19:42] select a kernel that does not require an initrd [19:42] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:43] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "Leaving" [19:43] raela (n=raela@205.133.95.237) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:43] raela (n=raela@205.133.95.237) joined ##slackware. [19:44] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: No route to host [19:44] sticks (n=hyperion@ppp118-208-75-35.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:44] uname -r prints: 2.6.27.7-smp [19:44] ls -l /boot/vmlinuz [19:44] the question is: can i remove the huge-smp? [19:44] both huge-smp and generic-smp return the above [19:45] not until you have double checked that it is not the kernel you are running [19:45] and if you have done nothing to change this, then that is the kernel you are running [19:46] huge-smp is there to make sure you get booted right the first time after install, but the docs reccomends that you switch to generic-smp + an initrd [19:46] Nick change: chasmo77 -> chasmo [19:46] vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.27.7-smp [19:46] tribeca (n=vedo@host64-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [19:47] so, removing it is probably not a good ide at the moment :P [19:47] :P [19:47] n_n [19:48] afk [19:48] and the kernel-huge.....-486, and the kernel-generic? [19:49] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=bearpers@*.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net expired. [19:49] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=bearpers@*.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:49] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [19:50] can i remove them? [19:51] if you have to ask, on [19:51] no* [19:51] :( [19:52] i been selected all the kernel-* in A during the installation [19:52] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [19:52] you shouldn't touch anything in a/ [19:52] so [19:52] :/ [19:53] erm, anyone familiar with how to word shortcut keys in ~/.kde/share/apps/kcmkeys for launching apps [19:53] even is mt-st or minicom or genpower? [19:53] :P [19:53] sorry, you're on your own [19:53] anka-ar, likely, huge-smp will be the default kernel [19:57] the other question is.., why in the sections (A, Ap, etc) dosn't a "go to previus section" button? :P [19:57] u_u [19:58] dosnt exist* [20:02] kernel-generic has been removed, sucefully [20:02] fiuu [20:03] fiuu? [20:03] ann.. [20:04] mmh.., i'm dont know in inglish [20:04] .. [20:04] HEya thumbs [20:04] FriedBob: heya. [20:05] 'ow goes? [20:05] meh not bad [20:05] I'm cleaning up a db of 60k records... by hand [20:06] ouch [20:06] Good, good. I'm a tad annoyed, I can't play my 360. Can't find the TV remote and it's stuck on channels, and won't let me select the front input from the front of the set. [20:06] XD [20:06] FriedBob: you need a universal remote [20:07] the generic-smb is gone [20:07] smp [20:08] one more [20:08] why ? [20:08] We have 4 TVs, 2 DVDs, 2 DVRs, and a VCR, plus like 7 consoles (XBox, 360, Wii, Nintendo, N64, GameCube, Atari 2600) [20:08] rmovepkg [20:08] :P [20:08] remove* [20:08] i said why, not how [20:08] FriedBob: so yes, get a universal remote. [20:09] eh.., make me feel its a claen system [20:09] (?) [20:09] The only one we lose on a regular basis is the one for the master bedroom. Which is the one my 360 is hooked to. [20:09] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] Too lazy, and also lacking in plugins to move it to my office, which is where my xbox is. [20:09] it is recommended to change to the generic-smp after installing [20:10] Even for nonSMP? [20:10] most non-smp will run fine on an smp kernel :) [20:10] FriedBob: did you ever use xbmc? [20:10] well, most new-ish [20:10] FriedBob: it's nice on linux, and even better on the xbox [20:11] thumbs: No, but I do have Evox on my Xbox. [20:11] ah [20:11] I kinda wish I could softmod my 360 and use trainers. [20:12] can't you? [20:12] I have not found any way to in my googling, just for the original Xbox. [20:12] You'd think it'd be easier to do it. [20:13] PS2 best gaming console ever. period. [20:13] I downloaded a patch and used a normal burned CD to apply the patch, so there's no need for a save game exploit like on the original ones. [20:13] muxer: ++ [20:16] s/PS2/PS3/ [20:16] you know why PS3 was called PS3 ? [20:17] cause it has 3 games. [20:17] muxer: that's not funny [20:17] wow. [20:17] muxer: Must mean that the PS2 only has 2 then [20:17] because only 3 people can afford it? [20:17] + all the PS2 games.. if you have the right edition [20:17] supergear (n=supergea@c-71-229-149-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] that's the lamest console joke i've read in years. [20:17] What about that one about the 360? [20:17] ? [20:17] what is it?... "why do they call it a 360" ? [20:17] mgs4 is the best game, ever [20:18] FriedBob: actually PS2 has more than you think off :P [20:18] "because that's what you do when you see it. turn a 360 and walk away" [20:18] but 360 is a circle [20:18] lol [20:18] i didn't say it was a good joke [20:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games [20:18] hiptobecubic: that was quite bad too [20:18] 360° turn keep you in the same place [20:18] plase [20:18] hiptobecubic: joke fail! [20:18] lol [20:18] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-787e0a2ee4aea6a4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:18] Strykar_ (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-68fe21f5d0219bab) joined ##slackware. [20:18] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:19] it is called 360 because it was MS's attempt to have power in all directions... [20:20] the pest in all directions* [20:20] it's a cool console if you ask me [20:20] it's more affordable than a ps3 too [20:20] for programing [20:20] its very easy [20:21] that i do not know, hehe [20:21] Xbox 180 ... nope, not the same ring to it [20:21] lol [20:21] the multicore arch. in the ps3.., its really hard [20:21] my guess is that the next Xbox will be 720 then :P [20:21] the xbox's processor is similar to that of the ps3 [20:22] a what? [20:22] now.. 360° better!! [20:22] supergear_ (n=supergea@c-71-229-149-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] xbox 720.., the pest in all directions [20:22] end of commercial [20:22] supergear_ (n=supergea@c-71-229-149-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:23] How many degrees in a sphere? [20:23] supergear_ (n=supergea@c-71-229-149-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] degrees can be measured in a plane [20:23] the ° that bill's U$ can pay [20:23] nachox: So degrees * planes in a sphere [20:25] you can't measure a sphere in degrees - much like you can't measure area in feet [20:25] the past october, members of SCEA came here (argentina) to begin a incubation procces with local engineers [20:25] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:26] SCEA? [20:26] sony computers entretainment america [20:26] ohh, i didnt know that? where were they? [20:26] in the.., eva [20:27] ? [20:27] Action: nachox notes he is from Arg too [20:27] calling the Xenon and the Cell "similar" is not doing any of them justice [20:27] supergear (n=supergea@c-71-229-149-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:27] man [20:27] 50 Cent is like a black wigger. [20:27] macavity, both based on the power core [20:27] argentina videgames axosition: eva [20:28] exposition* [20:28] renew (n=renew@adsl-75-17-113-62.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Xenon has three power cores, each with two hardware threads [20:28] you are from arg nachox? [20:28] yes [20:29] :P [20:29] anka-ar: He just said he was minutes ago\ [20:29] i have a 5 lines irssi [20:29] :P [20:30] Sounds like a personal problem. [20:30] people invented X for a reason [20:30] :P [20:30] FriedBob: sphere angles are measured in steradians, which are related to the surface area of the sphere - kind of like a radian of the sphere swinging around the surface area [20:31] rk4n3: Good for them. [20:32] FriedBob: since the surface area of a sphere is the square of its radius * 4 * pi, the entire sphere has a "solid angle" of 4 pi steradians [20:32] rk4n3: I honestly don't care, and am not even reading it. [20:32] nachox: you are from cafelug? [20:32] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] no, i dislike lugs [20:33] FriedBob: hmm ... well, you asked so I answered [20:33] i've been to one of their meetings and one of their talks, i consider they are not worth my time [20:34] rk4n3: I asked tongue in cheek related to a gaming console discussion. [20:34] the only slackware user that i know is from UADE [20:34] a.., developer of.., krill [20:35] a frontend for.., ..., squid [20:35] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [20:36] is your . and , keys stuck or something mate? [20:37] FriedBob: ah well, I guess I tend to assmume math is interesting regardless of context - my mistake :) [20:38] rk4n3: I left CompSci because of math. Became an accountant instead. [20:38] It's a myth that accounting involves math. [20:38] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-177-196.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [20:38] FriedBob: sweet - you got out just in time - CompSci is headed for disaster anyway [20:38] Action: foureyes779 makes wine [20:38] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-177-196.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Action: FriedBob drinks foureyes779 's wine. [20:39] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-236-125-72.b2b2c.ca) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:39] Action: foureyes779 runs out to get more toilet water [20:39] Orangy and clear. [20:41] mmmmm whisky. [20:42] Andy always had some mighty fine wine. [20:42] since I already have wine installed, should I just do an upgradepkg from the slackbuild ? [20:42] slackbuild and THEN upgradepkg [20:42] rob0: ok, thats what I was thinking, just wasnt sure. [20:43] wine-0.9.60 [20:44] to wine-1.0.1 [20:45] no propagation conditions on 11 foureyes779 [20:46] Pig_Pen: today turned out to be really hectic, wasnt able to get on the radio at all here [20:47] thats cool, i can understand what a "kids day" would be like, anyways it would not have done any good to try 11 meters did not have any DX conditions [20:47] Pig_Pen: more darn snow...AAARRRGHHHH [20:48] yesterday it was in the mid 70s today it did not get over the mid 40s [20:49] Sounds like here, but I doubt we hit 40 [20:49] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.180) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:49] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.180) joined ##slackware. [20:50] Action: foureyes779 watches his HS space slowly dissapear.... [20:51] down to 516MB now. [20:56] renew (n=renew@adsl-75-17-113-62.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:56] Pig_Pen, what's your callsign/ [20:57] Rubber Duck? [20:57] supergear_ (n=supergea@c-71-229-149-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:57] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the channel [20:58] Heya [20:58] hey Old_Fogie :) [20:58] slackboy, the usual please :) [20:58] ENsure? [20:59] Pig_Pen is my callsign :D [20:59] haha - I was going to say "geritol ?" [20:59] mmm, nah not tonight, I gotta have the coffeee, heh :) [20:59] Pig_Pen: what is you zip code? [20:59] Action: Old_Fogie is now known as slow_fogie [20:59] hahah [21:00] i am not a licensed ham radio operator, i just mostly listen to shortwave and talk on CB and the surrounding freeband [21:01] One of these days I intend to get my license. [21:01] My father got his when he was 1 7 . [21:03] my grandpa was one [21:03] he had a nice icom [21:03] i have a CB in my truck [21:04] for those bad situations in the middle of nowhere [21:04] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-72-8.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] you dont need a license for CB do you ? [21:04] my uncle was a telegraph operator for the us navy and after that for the southern pacific railroad, my father was in the usn too but he never got in to radio [21:04] muxer: nope [21:05] nice, and cb radios arent expensive either [21:05] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [21:06] renew (n=renew@adsl-75-17-113-62.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] supergear (i=supergea@c-71-229-149-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] if i had the money to throw down on a new HF rig i would get a license, but i have hungry kids to feed so that idea is out for now [21:08] i have a RCI 2950DX for a CB radio, they are not exactly cheap, but there are more expensive ones in that class of radio [21:09] Pig_Pen: you should get your license, and use the 2950 when the band opens [21:09] Action: foureyes779 is down to 447MB now on /dev/root [21:10] whats up foureyes779, are you running out of freespace? [21:10] yeah [21:10] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-72-8.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:10] foureyes779: how big is the partition? [21:10] yowza [21:10] I only have 5g on the root partition [21:10] foureyes779: is it ext3? [21:10] time to delete the WInXP partition.... [21:11] yeah, EXT3 [21:11] what about slackpkg? is there a cache that needs cleaned out after installing software? [21:11] Pig_Pen: /tmp/SBo [21:11] foureyes779: you can decrease the superuser reserve: tune2fs -m1 /dev/XXX# [21:11] move them out of /dev/root to some other disk partition [21:11] i dont know if you want to do that :) [21:11] leaving 1% is fine [21:12] nullboy: what would that do ? [21:12] I should point the SlackBuild scripts at my NTFS partition [21:12] it would "give up" about 2% of the volume space [21:12] heh [21:13] /dev/root 5.8G 5.1G 431M 93% / [21:13] so it would be ~100MB? [21:13] worth it or not? [21:14] nullboy: at this point, I need all the space I can get. [21:14] I start panicking when I get under 1g [21:14] under 400MB now [21:14] and wine is STILL building [21:15] in your case it's not a huge amount but superuser reserve on 500GB+ starts to become a large number [21:15] nullboy, what's that? [21:15] Action: foureyes779 isn't a superuser. just an average user [21:15] it is the amount of space in a volume that is reserved for superuser recovery [21:16] can i remove syslinux? [21:16] :/ [21:16] if a volume is filled, the -m gives a % free for root control [21:16] nullboy, is it a set percentage normally? [21:16] yes [21:17] i believe it defaults to 5% [21:17] good to know [21:17] it finally stopped at 295MB [21:18] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] greetings and salutations [21:18] removepkg syslinux [21:18] and... [21:18] reboot [21:18] O.O [21:19] ouch [21:19] to much files [21:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:20] hello andarius :-) [21:21] salutations macavity [21:21] any recent waffle experiments? [21:21] ok, the system boot [21:21] hm.. i could actually eat some waffles with softice right now :P [21:21] i wonder if you can use chocolate cake batter in a waffle iron [21:21] i want some waffles as well :( [21:21] anka-ar: there would be no question if you just read the syslinux documentation..... [21:22] w000t, back up to 600MB....\o\ |o| /o/ [21:22] Pig_Pen: do try, and do share the result :P [21:22] i'm here: http://packages.slackware.it/browse.php?q=12.2/slackware/a [21:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [21:22] macavity: i dont experiment much. just after the perfect waffle. [21:22] i will have to see what my wife says, she owns the kitchen, [21:22] what do you mean you're there? that's a nice list of packages [21:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:22] i had a really good one a few days back :) [21:23] anka-ar: ls /usr/doc/ [21:23] it annoys me that i dont know how hot my waffle iron gets.. it has a slider for temperature, but it is kinda hard to discuss when one doesnt have real numbers to work with [21:24] get an infrared temp gun [21:24] modify it by adding a temp guage :P [21:24] but then again.. i suspect that differs from place to place, as the current here can be anything from 210V to 230V [21:24] that's not current [21:24] current is measured in amps :P [21:24] that's voltage [21:24] esom (n=enigma@222.172.214.142) joined ##slackware. [21:24] what do i know :P [21:25] nothing be we wont blame you :P [21:25] the thing that can be messured in volts can vary :P [21:25] can varry most anywhere [21:25] power, current and effect == V, amp and W? [21:26] effect ? [21:26] andarius, true, even in your house it can vary over the day [21:26] no [21:26] err, yes :P [21:26] no, yes, what the hell. i am now lost :| [21:26] then whats the name for that which is messured in watts? [21:27] what abt the contenst of /usr/tmp ? can they be deleted safely ? [21:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohms_law [21:27] macavity, it just took a little longer for me to understand your weird assigment (==) operation :) [21:27] macavity, power is watts (it's basically volts*amps I wont go into AC volts); current is amps; voltage is volts. voltage is the force, amps think of it as the rate of flow or speed of the electrons into the device delivering your volts. [21:28] nachox: C syntax here.. its "test for equality" not assignment :P [21:28] A watt is a measurement of power. [21:28] macavity, yes... i dont think C understands those ,'s :P [21:29] Old_Fogie: roger that, it is my english i am tuning here :P [21:29] macavity, for volts s/force/force or power/pushing capability it's a 'potential'...has the potential to execute XXX force [21:29] Old_Fogie: i got straight As in physics :P [21:29] no problem :) [21:29] i skipped that class :P [21:30] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [21:30] i think i'm off to sleep guys, behave :P [21:30] I got straight A's in Aardvark and Canaan [21:31] Action: nachox looks at rob0 [21:31] rob0 was always odd [21:31] evenly odd [21:31] no, unevenly odd [21:31] youre not drunk, are you? [21:32] :) [21:32] rob0 or me? [21:32] both [21:32] I should be by now, but not yet, no. [21:32] nope. [21:32] in danish we call the voltage "the current drop".. that kinda threw me off [21:32] I haven't had a drink in weeks, in fact [21:32] i'm glad [21:32] i havent had one in years [21:32] anyways, night guys [21:33] sleep tight Mr Nachox :-) [21:33] almost 2 weeks here. soon to be corrected [21:33] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.24) left irc: "Leaving" [21:33] on the 28th of Feb it will be 5 years exactly.. not to be "corrected" any time soon if i can help it :P [21:34] It's called "voltage drop" here. [21:34] macavity, I've heard it referred that way before , but it can be misleading depending if it's a 'series' 'parrallel' or 'series parrallel' circuit. It's really best IMO to think of it as the potential to do work. [21:34] macavity: congrats on almost 5 yrs. did "bob" help ? [21:34] hey sorry but voltage isn't current... [21:35] i don't care what language ti is [21:35] Action: andarius applies voltage to nullboy :o [21:35] Old_Fogie: i cant translate the exact word we use.. as it can actually also translate to "excitement drop" (though not in this context of course) [21:35] Action: Old_Fogie passes nullboy some serious line-losses :) [21:36] nullboy: roger that.. but i got lost in translation :P [21:36] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) joined ##slackware. [21:36] Old_Fogie: hey did you try that patch? [21:36] macavity, hey I give you credit for speaking two lang's :) [21:36] Old_Fogie: try five :P [21:36] Old_Fogie: where the hell is it supposed to be patched? the kernel or the system libs? [21:36] kernel as in the source tree? [21:37] Action: andarius speaks 2, english and bad english :( [21:37] Old_Fogie: Danish, English, German, Sweedish and Norwegian [21:37] nullboy, it's not a patch, but a workaround. I'm trying it out still, I did it wrong tho, didn't follow his directions right. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to 'relay' what he told me; so I'm going to email him back with my results and ask if I'm allowed to pass on what he indicated or not. [21:37] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] Old_Fogie: though, Sweedish is roughly 30% the same as Danish, and Norwegian is probably as much as 60% the same [21:38] wtf? [21:38] nullboy, but I was very glad to see that he new of it, and that he had some sort of temp-fix (if you want to call it that ) and that he replied to me so fast. he's a good man that way :0 [21:38] so that amounts to 4 in total :P [21:38] Old_Fogie: it's in changeds and hints for crying out loud [21:38] how is it a secret? [21:38] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:38] m0nik3r1294837 (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-27db562ff8f054fe) left irc: "leaving" [21:38] it is? [21:38] and it is a patch [21:38] .... [21:39] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:39] MacGuyver (n=amaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:39] whats the problem/situation? [21:39] line 163.... [21:39] changes and hints [21:39] Action: macavity looks [21:39] that was really lame man [21:40] some secret information? this is opensource... [21:40] OMGZ...i haz the secret patch [21:40] http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/316 [21:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-177-196.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [21:41] shh!!! we dont want any one to know it is open source :P [21:42] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-177-196.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:42] rworkman told me about it since i didn't even think to look in C&H [21:42] nullboy, I didn't say patch; and no I dont just copy / paste someones email less they say it's ok sorry. [21:42] i just assumed my system was dirty [21:44] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-68-95-72-150.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:44] stop going on untrusted porn sites then. [21:44] and running them *.exe's in wine [21:44] that means no midgets and no horses :D [21:44] heh [21:45] Just be sure to run it in a VM. [21:45] all you all be gross [21:45] talk of VMs and horses...wtf [21:45] i haz Rocco Animal Trainer #26... who wants? DCC bot is in #we-love-goats [21:45] :P [21:45] ah man, no midgets ??? [21:46] What about midget horses? [21:46] droool! [21:46] ponys? [21:46] i hear they still make girls bleed [21:46] ouch :P [21:47] i once worked at a race horse stable i seen what those horses got, that thing could split a woman in half [21:47] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:47] i don't think anyone is disagreeing [21:47] or a small car [21:47] Pig_Pen, it killed a Russian Czarina according to the history books [21:47] Just put it in the back so it doesn't ruin er. [21:47] i dont think horses understand 'lemme get the lube' [21:48] neither do i... [21:48] some russian royalty? before the bolshevic revolution was in to horses? [21:48] everybody has there kinks.. [21:48] their* [21:48] Pig_Pen: That's why the revolution started... [21:49] oh I forget the timeline of it [21:49] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) joined ##slackware. [21:49] but I understood the "highlights" there of the story, heh [21:49] was it up the bum? [21:49] it is an urban legend [21:49] In Tsarist Russia, horse screw royalty. In Soviet Russia, horse screw everybody! [21:49] macavity, but I'm not "Urban" :) [21:50] BodyG (n=none@190.55.75.230) left irc: [21:50] you a redneck? :P [21:50] since it was a horse it was probably a rural legand [21:50] Action: macavity ducks [21:50] hahah, nope, a cold yankee [21:50] macavity: he said horse, not sister [21:50] lol [21:50] not rural, equine [21:50] legend none the less [21:50] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.180) left irc: "0x0" [21:51] rural is the farm & country area [21:51] REALLY? [21:51] i went to school too :D [21:51] said czarina DID however have quite an impressive collection of "erotic furniture" [21:52] .. and was indeed killed by her own horse.. just not the "interesting" way :P [21:52] damn i want to go to a party there. [21:52] Old_Fogie: A Yankee? I knew something was off about you. [21:52] sex furniture is expensive :-P [21:52] FriedBob, haha [21:53] acidchild: whatever or not it is legend, she supposedly had one of her guards beheaded for comming too soon [21:53] the big one of them that is [21:53] DAMN [21:53] macavity, probably someone changed the 'history' books there to protect her reputation? dunno, I'm not that old to have been there, heh [21:53] Old_Fogie: If it was up to me, I'd never cross the masoc-dixon again. My wife, however, loves Chicago, NYC etc. [21:53] s/masoc/mason/ [21:53] macavity: thats pretty awesome :-P [21:54] FriedBob, all the shopping areas I presume? [21:55] Old_Fogie: No, she's not really a shopper. I'm more of a shopper than she is oddly enough. Just the culture, night-life and whole experience of it. [21:55] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:55] Old_Fogie: take a guess... no matter how worn out the old hag was downstairs, she probably had sense enough to realize the consequences of what happens when one turns the noughty side to 600lbs of raw power with a battering ram the size of a Morris Mini :P [21:55] FriedBob, ah I see. Yes they rm'd stump-jumping and cow-tipping here along time ago, so the night life is a big draw [21:55] Action: Old_Fogie runs [21:55] FriedBob: Whats wrong with her and can it be treated? [21:56] macavity, you'd think...but Russian vodka? a cold winters night? who knows :) [21:56] tsk tsk.. :P [21:56] hahah [21:56] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-52-255-109.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] ... and a standing guard of 250 young well trained solders there to cater for her in any way she liked [21:57] i guess yo could say she took a full horse power [21:57] lol [21:57] xulrunner vers 1.9.0.5 is out if anyone needs [21:58] Old_Fogie: I think I played that once, but kept running into the light traces and dying. [21:59] I can't jump for anything...man would I lose at that one [22:00] nullboy, rofl [22:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] Action: Old_Fogie changes mail notify sound to a horse going "brhrhrhrhrh" (not sure how you type the horsey sound, :) [22:02] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [22:03] does the version of pidgin that comes with slack 12.2 include slic? [22:03] i had a girlfriend who owned a stallion, balls and all [22:04] the first time i went in the stable with her and the stallion, the horse must have thought there was competition... [22:04] he cased my ass right out of the pen and i had to jump the fence [22:04] lmao [22:04] chased* [22:04] Oh, is that how you became a NULLboy? ;) [22:04] lol [22:04] that horse was huge [22:05] why the hell she owned a stallion...i still don't know [22:06] nullboy, yea they can be territorial for sure. I have a friend that's a horse breeder, I've something like that happen too...I jump the fence like you..but I also screamed like a school girl too haha [22:06] it sucked [22:06] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) joined ##slackware. [22:06] my girlfriend was laughing at me but anyone would high tail it out of there if a horse that still had its balls were running after you [22:06] for sure [22:06] girls into horses take note of that sort of thing.. if the stallion had ignored you she whould probably have thought you a whimp :P [22:06] i think he saw me kiss her or something and that really pissed him off [22:07] sure.. in his mind you were biting her in the face :P [22:07] tho, given the czarina story...maybe he thought you were 'purdy' :) [22:07] haha [22:08] "ohlalaa, what a hottie she has brought me today!" :P [22:08] but yeah, if you go up to a male...for the first time..and have no treats...and you dont get 'properly introduced' oh yea look out [22:08] macavity, hahah [22:08] lol [22:08] no apples, no carrots...no intro...look out [22:09] she was laughing but she wasn't the one being chased by a gigantic hoofed animal [22:09] no treat, no into -> double check the 45 magnum :P [22:09] nullboy, ever go to a 'stud farm' oh my [22:09] haha [22:09] macavity, exactly [22:09] stud-farm is scary [22:09] btw, even with a 45 you better hit it right the first time [22:10] You'd be less scared in a slaughter house then a stud farm, no joke [22:10] i know.. my mothers ex had two racing stallions [22:10] yup and they have sooo much adrenaline too, it's frightening [22:11] the word "jumpy" does not even begin to cover it [22:11] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [22:11] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:11] pure arab stallions are like nitro glycerin... just with a temper :P [22:11] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-68-95-72-150.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] they taste good though.. [22:12] anyways.. time to hit the bunk [22:12] we (me and the wife) haven't been out there in awhile, but when we do, we go for a ride on the older beat down, slow horses..they're more my style, heh [22:12] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [22:12] see ya mac [22:13] ive been staying up until 6 in the morning for far too long :P [22:13] Old_Fogie: s/me and the wife/the wife and I/ [22:13] Old_Fogie: sorry, couldn't resist [22:13] nazzi :) [22:13] no.. gentleman :P [22:13] s/nazzi/speelling nazzi :) [22:13] demoncyber_ (n=Cliente@201-2-227-58.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:14] thats why he insists on you mentioning the lady first :P [22:14] hey it ain't my fault..I got spell checker here,and the red line is too small [22:14] it does grammer too? [22:14] hehe [22:15] macavity, shhh I was trying to defer the error :) [22:15] oh.. sorry [22:15] grammar* o.O [22:15] but i would actually like a grammar checker of some sort [22:15] yeah but you're not suppose to correct your elders tho :) [22:15] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [22:15] my danish grammer is flat out wrong.. and in english i have NO idea how to use commas [22:15] ok, bye guys! [22:15] thanks [22:16] Old_Fogie: I'm not far from you. [22:16] macavity, re:commas me too , and for thumbs s/me too/I also :) [22:16] ok.. one smoke more before i go to too :P [22:16] the, more, commas, you, use, the, better [22:16] my english teacher usually removed half of them in the essays [22:16] bye [22:17] .. mostly because i just did them in the danish way [22:17] anka-ar (n=andres@unaffiliated/anka-ar) left ##slackware. [22:17] macavity, I always had a sticking point using the --> ; [22:17] Right, saving them for personal use, no doubt. [22:17] got over it finally tho. [22:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] macavity: you're not bad, honestly. [22:17] macavity, off to bed, with, you, [22:17] rob0: y,o,u, m,e,a,n,, t,h,e, m,o,r,e c,o,m,m,a,s.. Sorry, I can't finish it. [22:17] rob0: get a room [22:17] FriedBob, lol [22:17] Packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] there is never a time when you should omit the semicolon; an enriching reading experince they provide [22:18] Action: macavity is now known as Yoda [22:19] Action: FriedBob is now known as whatever famous dark side Jedi/Sith whatever and kills Yoda. [22:19] Yes, comas and semi colons can be used together; they sing with the universe. [22:19] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:20] nullboy: Comas make for good grammar. [22:20] i can haz it [22:20] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:21] yoda died from old age :P [22:21] though i refuse to accept macavity as yoda in any way [22:21] Action: Old_Fogie cracks open the door to nullboy's room and let's a stallion in. [22:21] that damn horse [22:21] supergear (i=supergea@c-71-229-149-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:21] no.. he just left his body in the physical universe when it wouldnt climb the hill any more [22:22] Notice I didn't say the name of whoever killed Yoda. [22:22] never ride anything that is bigger than you and has a brain. let this be my warning to you [22:22] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [22:22] nullboy: That's a great leadin to a "yo momma" joke, but I'll refrain. [22:22] Perfect setup though. [22:23] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:23] nullboy: does that mean my relationships with fat girls has to stop?!?!? [22:23] *FEAR* [22:23] but but but [22:23] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) joined ##slackware. [22:23] fat girls need loving too [22:23] macavity: nothing wrong with chubby girls [22:23] no no, there are two conditions [22:23] four legs? [22:24] id like to ride an austrige :P [22:24] *austridge [22:24] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:24] THOSE! [22:24] macavity: Or have the ostrich ride you? [22:24] ost [22:25] Action: Old_Fogie has about one more month to go, to get 2009 right in lieu of 2008 type-o brainfart [22:25] FriedBob: i'm not THAT kinky :P [22:25] oh boy. [22:25] i think i have this PAM jive all cleaned up [22:26] what did you do to her that required so much cleaning :P [22:26] i just migrated from a hybrid pam.conf + pam.d/ to only pam.d/ [22:26] andarius: If it ain't messy, you doin' somethin' wrong. [22:26] That's why they make rubber sheets. [22:27] and that's why latex is better than leather'n'lace :P [22:28] macavity: Depends on the context, all three work well for floggers. [22:28] How do you enable the QEMU acceleration layer? [22:28] But if you get some stretchy rubber tubing and weight it just slightly... Can make some real works of art with a practiced swing. [22:29] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@adsl-235-197-111.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] for floggers and single tails there is only leather imho [22:30] All depends on the effect you want. [22:30] though i did see one in suade.. both me and the GF laughed our arses off :P [22:31] I've made some very nice denim and cordorouy, as well as one from heavy plastic. [22:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:32] Cord can give rugburns if you do it right. [22:32] macavity: silk? nylon? [22:33] Dominus (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:33] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [22:33] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:34] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:35] spook_: Only for ticklers. ;) [22:36] heh [22:37] what about lycra? [22:38] im a firm beliver in natual fabrics [22:39] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:39] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:40] ping pong paddles are good. [22:41] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:41] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-177-196.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [22:41] for some reason i find them unsexy [22:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-177-196.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:42] http://www.rigpix.com/icom/ic737.jpg [22:42] thats what my grandpa had [22:42] icom 737 [22:42] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:42] i see we changed the subject :-) [22:42] spook_: pm? [22:43] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) joined ##slackware. [22:43] sorry ;P [22:43] muxer: no, that is 110% OK [22:43] i just remembered what transceiver my grandpa had [22:43] muxer: we were probably bordering the "legal" here anyways.. some regulars can get away with that :P [22:44] : [22:44] :) [22:44] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:45] http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1231114225364.jpg [22:45] lol [22:46] any reason why I might receive this in my error console when attempting to save a password in firefox? http://pastebin.com/m5c0b173c [22:46] i went to #firefox though they are not responding :/ [22:46] i stopped visiting /b/ long time ago now [22:46] too much spam there [22:47] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:48] mrselfpwn, just wondering you are running a later FF3 no? there was a bug iirc for saving p/w when FF3 first came out or so [22:48] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "bbiab" [22:49] 3.0.5 [22:49] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [22:49] i have no scripts installed though i also disabled that to no avail [22:50] try stracing ff while you do it again [22:50] mkay [22:52] what would be the proper way to do that nullboy? [22:53] strace firefox gives much text then ends and starts ff [22:54] it shouldn't just be bailing out though [22:54] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [22:54] after it stop scrolling, try to change your password [22:54] Action: slackytude cant sleep [22:54] fu! [22:54] is it possible to strace a running process ? [22:54] ok [22:54] hmm [22:55] like you can with GDB ? [22:55] you can give -p for pid option [22:55] mrselfpwn: it doesn't work how i thought [22:55] -p pid -- trace process with process id PID, may be repeated [22:55] nm [22:55] ok [22:56] i see where you were going with that though [22:56] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [22:58] demoncyber_ (n=Cliente@201-2-227-58.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [22:58] i changed the permission on the nsLoginManager.js to my users and that did not work either [22:58] s/users/user's [23:01] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:03] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:03] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:04] [b6a759f1] gettimeofday({1231128121, 312398}, NULL) = 0 < FF sure wants to know what the time is ? [23:08] well, thats pretty cool [23:09] bast4rd (n=pain@189-11-245-138.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:10] souljas (n=tony@57.sub-75-201-180.myvzw.com) left irc: "leaving" [23:10] that's a very common syscall [23:10] renew (n=renew@adsl-75-17-113-62.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:11] alright.. rsync.. segfaulting.. wth [23:12] anyone got att uverse here? [23:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [23:13] twolf: i know people who do and i configured it [23:13] we are getting it tomorrow, supposidly going to double our speeds for the same money [23:14] well, it seems that the bug i'm experiencing will be fixed when NSS_3_12_RC1 is dropped [23:14] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [23:15] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejj120.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Subdolus (n=subby@subby.afraid.org) joined ##slackware. [23:16] _mr_S (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-253983.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:17] apperently firefox thinks I am someone that I am not. [23:18] will the real mrselfpwn please stand up [23:19] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:19] heh [23:19] lol [23:20] haha [23:21] lol, well i figured it out [23:22] i still cant believe, some guy in my class didnt know how to spell linux [23:22] muxer: I know people who can't spell CIO [23:22] leenux [23:22] It's lunix [23:22] lrn2talk [23:22] lyn-uhx [23:23] loo-nicks [23:23] earlier, when i had the problem and backed up my $home, i copied some firefox stuff back to my new home folder and it confused firefox [23:23] mrselfpwn: What about your GRUB issue? haha [23:23] esom (n=enigma@222.172.214.142) left ##slackware. [23:23] grub? [23:23] I need to get some grub [23:24] Are you attempting to create previously non-existed issues for me Subdolus? [23:24] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) joined ##slackware. [23:24] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/english.au [23:24] because that is just wrong [23:26] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:27] sleep tight when you get to it hackers [23:27] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the tunar fish!" [23:27] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) joined ##slackware. [23:28] Wow, I've gotten so used to my chopped and screwed version of this song, the original just sounds messed up and wrong. :/ [23:29] sleep is for the weak [23:29] Anyone knows how to remove compiz-fsion, so if you reinstall it the previous settings won't apply. Or just how to set all the default settings back. [23:29] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [23:30] because it freezes everytime I use it, but when I installed it yesterday, it worked pretty good. [23:30] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:31] join #compiz-fusion [23:32] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) joined ##slackware. [23:32] ok [23:32] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "one may truely begin to live once they have died" [23:32] removing it depends how you installed it [23:33] I removed it using slapt-get, but when I reinstalled it, it seemed that all the settings from the previous install were still in affect. [23:33] HAL0_F00 (n=keaton@nv-71-1-177-221.dyn.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] does anyone know a simple program to record sound? or another way to test if my microphone is working [23:34] Concupiscence (n=Concupis@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] anybody use GRUB to boot Slackware? [23:35] grub is for eating, lilo is for booting [23:35] Does a grub eventually turn into a scarab? [23:35] ... does anybody have something useful? [23:35] And if so, what does THAT do to your boot sequence? [23:35] HAL0: I don't, sorry. [23:35] alright [23:36] Are you having an issue? [23:36] yes [23:36] I already have Ubuntu installed with GRUB [23:36] What's the problem? I may not know the solution, but I could theoretically point you in the right direction... [23:36] Right. [23:36] Any thoughts on this for kdebindings on 12.2 .. http://pastebin.com/d7d8eded [23:36] so when I installed Slackware 12.2 i figured I'd just stick with GRUB [23:37] but i'm not sure which kernel to use (vmlinuz?) and which params to use [23:37] raela, try Krec. [23:37] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-58.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [23:37] oh, thanks [23:38] vmlinuz is probably a safe bet. [23:38] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:38] Params would depend on the system config. [23:38] Do you use any particularly esoteric ones for your Ubuntu install? [23:39] should it be ro like Ubuntu is? [23:39] it comes installed in slackware, just look through the mutlimedia section [23:39] Probably. [23:39] This may be a question better suited to a Linux forum than here. My knowledge of grub is very limited. [23:40] alright thanks anyways ;) [23:40] HAL0_F00 (n=keaton@nv-71-1-177-221.dyn.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:40] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:41] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [23:41] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.35.169) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:41] hrm, is there some config I'd need to do for my mic? or maybe I should just try my older kernel, bah [23:41] raela (n=raela@205.133.95.237) left irc: "reboot" [23:44] http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/catalog/icom-ic7800-p-330.html?osCsid=c70e27f5e5f98dd9a14c4cd144c90a33 [23:44] that is gorgeous [23:45] im using the new version of sbopkg, and selected to edit the slackbuild. Now im looking at the script in konsole. How do I make changes? I try to backspace on some options to change them, but backspace isnt clearing the text. [23:45] vinnie_: are you using a text editor? [23:45] vinnie_, using vim? [23:46] im not sure [23:46] i just chose to edit [23:46] and now its opened in konsole [23:46] vinnie_, try to enter :q [23:46] if it looks like this : !@#$%^&^%$#@#$[ESC]s [23:46] it's vi [23:46] choose to edit it with a text editor you know how to use [23:46] q does nothing [23:47] :q != q [23:47] hit the colon : then q [23:47] r0otSlinky (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] ok...im totaly confuzed... how do i set it so sbopkg lets me edit with nano [23:48] it was vim, then? [23:48] export VISUAL=`which nano` ? [23:48] nano the slackbuild [23:48] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejj120.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [23:49] arktvrvs: where do i put that? [23:49] edit the sbopkg source change the editor, maybe it's a config option too [23:49] nope [23:49] its taken from env [23:50] luis_ (n=luis@host151.190-137-68.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:50] so, do what arktvrvs said [23:50] luis_ (n=luis@host151.190-137-68.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:50] how do i exit the current editor without saving the changes? [23:50] O_o [23:50] :q! [23:51] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) joined ##slackware. [23:51] vimtutor is helpful if you want to learn vi/vim [23:51] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) joined ##slackware. [23:51] raela, did you get it working? [23:52] vinnie_, text editor? like nano? just close the shell. [23:52] Concupiscence (n=Concupis@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:52] override: i have sbopkg running. i dont want to lose queue [23:53] override: nope. and I discovered my older kernel's wired ethernet doesn't work [23:53] override: so, ideas on how to try to enable/configure the mic? I tried to turn everything to max in alsamixer [23:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Client Quit [23:53] Action: Old_Fogie just cannot understand why this kde is such a pita to build! [23:54] Action: slackytude tries to sleep again [23:54] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: " begone!" [23:54] /beer [23:54] Any thoughts on why this fails? http://pastebin.com/d7d8eded [23:55] Old_Fogie: you [23:55] Old_Fogie: you're not using a big enough hammer. [23:55] apparently not [23:55] mhh, I'm not quit sure raela. All I did was look through the multimedia section, I saw Krec, googled it, and looked more into it. Plus I don't know the specs of your machine. [23:55] builds on 12.1 fine tho, but I digress [23:56] override: nod, thanks. I tried all my multimedia stuff, but didn't have krec listed. bah, how annoying, though.. my other laptop has it working [23:59] i think the lesson is simple, dont try to build large pieces of software [23:59] what slackware version do you have raela? [23:59] maybe you didn't include it, during your slackware install. [23:59] what slackware version do you have raela? [23:59] vinnie_, not sure about sbopkg, never tried it. [23:59] its awesome [23:59] I guess. [00:00] --- Mon Jan 5 2009