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[00:14] Jim-Morrison (n=surf@201-25-182-56.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Jim-Morrison (n=surf@201-25-182-56.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:16] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left ##slackware. [00:17] lostnhell: it was a bitch but i got it on slamd64. i dont remember exactly how tho. there was a lot of dependencies and libraries that i had to make symbolic links to [00:17] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [00:18] my issue with the compile is that is is failing to compile stating kde-config was not found [00:18] do you have kde installed? :) [00:18] jeev, kde4 on slackware64 [00:19] ahh, kde-config isn't there. .dunno [00:19] i kno they have slackware packages for slamd64. no need to compile [00:19] You need a newer version of yakuake designed for kde4 [00:20] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX Official FTP Site -- ftp://ftp.bitchx.org/" [00:21] rworkman, that is what I was guessing, I am hitting their website now looking for a newer version to pair against the slackbuild script [00:22] lostnhell: http://extragear.kde.org/apps/yakuake/ [00:22] I think it's cmake-based. [00:23] I already have it and am modifying the script now [00:23] (IOW, massive build changes) [00:23] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] rworkman, I was expecting some dependency problems [00:23] Good :) [00:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] Urchlay (n=dammit@76.20.209.241) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.186.38.235) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:28] now I remember my last attempt with 2.9.6, I couldn't figure out how to call the configure or make commands [00:30] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.26.92) joined ##slackware. [00:31] Here's a poke (again) for anyone in the southeastern USA - http://southeastlinuxfest.org [00:31] Coming soon (on June 13th) [00:31] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.130.142) left ##slackware ("... Jesus paid it all, All to Him I owe; Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow."). [00:33] I wish I could be at the southeastern linuxfest, but I already have 2 weeks scheduled off this month. rworkman aren't you going to be there as aguest or speaker? [00:33] wow. leave messages about jesus [00:33] Yeah, I'm doing a short presentation on Intro to Firewalling on Linux [00:34] Speaking about Jesus. [00:34] There is this guy that parks his mobile home around where I work [00:34] The sides are painted with "Jesus <3 You!" [00:34] I know a few people from my lug are going, and hope everyone has a good time, hopefully if there is another next year I will attend [00:34] And the doors of the cab have "I love my wife" [00:34] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] therefore, jesus loves his wife [00:36] I guess. [00:36] I should take some photos. [00:36] It's quite epic. [00:37] He also drives a motorcycle kinda thing [00:37] With "Jesus Loves You" written all over it. [00:39] i wonder what his last name was. it's probably not jesus smith [00:40] jesus maximus <--- pretty cool, i guess :P [00:40] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-75-131.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:40] so christian's would be maximans [00:41] christ was not his last name, my unenlightened fiend. [00:42] oh, he probably had joseph's last name, whatever that was... [00:43] Jones [00:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Jones [00:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rlQqWbp7rY [00:44] rworkman, do you have experience compiling kde4 pps through cmake? [00:46] night all [00:46] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:47] or does anyone else have experience compiling through cmake, I want to figure out how to fill the variables that are used in the cmake script [00:47] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.66.178) joined ##slackware. [00:47] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:47] Hi Rat409 [00:48] hey firebird619 how goes it? [00:48] Rat409: It goes excellent, thanks. I'm just messing with opera 10 b1. yourself? [00:48] lostnhell: a bit; I did the initial kde4 work :-) Have a look at the kde4 build scripts for pointers [00:48] hey firebird619 :) how's it going? [00:48] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:48] Hey antler, it's going excellent, thank you. yourself? [00:48] rworkman, I am looking at them now, thank you [00:49] yw [00:49] firebird619: i just did myself,running from my ~ but it was spiking cpu a lot more than firefox/icecat [00:49] Rat409: Hmm, I haven't experienced that at all. [00:49] cool [00:49] Rat409: you see the visual tabs it has now? [00:49] yuh nice [00:50] firebird619: excellent :) [00:50] and easily configurable speed dial (no more editing opera6.ini) and you can set a speed dial background. [00:50] yes i did [00:50] Rat409: plus, dragonfly's been updated as well. [00:50] sweet [00:51] Rat409: One thing with it now is, like FF's firebug has, you mouseover something on the page, it highlights the code and vice versa. [00:51] pft. opera... :P [00:51] antler: you use FF? [00:51] firebird619: heheh yeah, remember i had some issues with opera? :P [00:51] yeah [00:51] using icecat atm,the rms gnuzilla one [00:52] pft. firefox... :P [00:52] Rat409: I've been using opera 10 since the first alpha. [00:52] firebird619: oh, it was the bookmarks menu, which would appear on my other display. annoying. [00:52] antler: did you ever try opera 10 and see if that solved it? [00:53] cool i used it for a long time then some of the 9.x series would max the cpu,were buggy on linux [00:53] oh yeah, that's right, you were LAZY. [00:53] remember my laziness won in that tug-of-war? :P [00:53] yes [00:53] hahah [00:53] icecat. iceweasle. firefox. hahahah [00:53] weasel [00:53] whatever [00:54] Rat409: Yeah, you use OpenSolaris at all, Opera starts up, for me anyway, literally as soon as I click it. It's amazing. [00:54] seamonkey.... what else? [00:54] haha, that about covers it I think. [00:54] hahah you left freebsd :( [00:54] firebird619: last time out osol wasn't real great [00:55] Rat409: 2009.06 was just released Monday. [00:55] antler: for now, yeah, that mouse issue annoyed me. I see that 8.0 is in code freeze and due out in August. [00:56] if i used bsd it'd be openbsd even if i had to use nv.never had any probs w/openbsd,freebsd,i did. netbsd didn't try too much like gentoo [00:56] Rat409: I tried OpenBSD once in a vm and it wouldn't install. I haven't tried it lately though. [00:56] just personal exp.,prefs [00:56] yeah [00:57] i did the hdd-install [00:57] i just hope the apps i use work well under slack64 when it comes out [00:57] cool. I don't have any spare drives anymore. I put osol on the 40 GB hdd. :P [00:58] openbsd the hardest thining is the installer,partitioning [00:58] slKIvs (n=ivan@72.252.52.193) joined ##slackware. [00:58] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:58] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:59] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:59] and if you read a bit ,not bad at all really [00:59] yeah, I'll have to give it a try again one of these days. [01:00] yuh every one has different hw combos,ymmv [01:00] so i have a question: does anyone know what i can use my other laptop for? this one is a dual core 1.6ghz with 2GB RAM and my laptop is a single core pentium-M 1.5GHz with 1 GB RAM [01:00] all are good [01:00] i am going to be using slackware-current on it to help test that out, but otherwise.... [01:01] TwinReverb: writing poetry [01:01] lol [01:01] i can't use distcc if this laptop is using slackware64-current and the other one is using slackware-current can i? [01:01] Rat409: I'm on enlightenment atm. (1.0) [01:02] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-144-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] cool [01:03] Rat409: It's quite nice, but I miss the Alt+F2 for Run, unless it's a different key combo. :P [01:03] in pekwm here my usual,or fav atm [01:04] oh god. why doesn't everybody use kde :P [01:05] TwinReverb, you write poetry with distcc? [01:05] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:05] antler: Oh gosh, were not all like you. :P [01:05] lol [01:05] hahah [01:06] Rat409: yeah, I have that installed, have yet to try it though. What theme do you use? [01:06] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [01:06] ccfreak2k, uh no [01:06] antler: and thankfully I might add. :P [01:06] make: *** No rule to make target `poetry'. Stop. [01:06] Action: antler plucks firebird619 's feathers [01:06] haha [01:07] Action: firebird619 saws off one of antler's....well....antlers. :| [01:07] 8-| [01:08] antler: Well, it is about summer here, so being featherless isn't so bad. :P [01:08] firebird619: yeah, and i have but one antler [01:08] :P [01:08] hahaha [01:09] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:12] sorry was downstairs,using lightgray atm [01:13] and bmpanel w/eight theme [01:13] ok, thanks. I'll maybe log in to pekwm here and mess around with it. [01:13] bmpanel on SBo? [01:13] box-look has some good themes [01:14] nope, doesn't look like bmpanel is on Sbo. [01:14] firebird619: i don't remember on bmpanel [01:15] k, brb, gonna login to pekwm [01:15] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [01:15] wow slackware64?! who would have thought we'd see the day :) [01:15] indeed [01:16] When was it announced? [01:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [01:16] a nevermind it does have a date :) [01:16] 5/19.. [01:16] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:17] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:17] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [01:18] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:19] Rat409: It sure isn't nice lookin to begin with. :P [01:19] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:19] dhabyxc (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:19] no neither is fvwm,e16/17.etc [01:20] dhabyxc (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] I'm gonna look for themes now, how to set wallpaper, etc. [01:20] i use feh myself [01:20] down_fall_ (n=down_fal@124.148.46.158) joined ##slackware. [01:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] but fbsetbg will work,esetroot,xsetroot,etc. [01:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:21] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.235) joined ##slackware. [01:25] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Reconnecting&" [01:25] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.138) joined ##slackware. [01:29] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.138) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:30] in slackware only one program gets access to sound at a time? how do u enable software mixing [01:30] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:34] Nick change: M1ck__ -> M1ck_ [01:34] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.171) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:34] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:34] Rat409: I think I found the theme I'll at least start out with. http://www.box-look.org/content/show.php/BlueDream?content=104039 [01:36] looking [01:36] nice [01:37] down_fall (n=down_fal@124.148.46.158) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:38] I'm checking out bmpanel now. [01:38] Rat409: did you get bmpanel latest stable or from git? [01:38] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) joined ##slackware. [01:39] stable i think [01:39] KyNDeR (n=kynder@201-67-105-46.bsaco701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:39] me_ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [01:40] pizzledizzle, no, other programs get access to the sound [01:40] i can post relevant part of my menu for themes ref. [01:40] you just have to configure things so that they do [01:40] alsa already had digital mixing (dmix) [01:41] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/alsa/alsa.html [01:41] er nevermind, don't follow the directions on that one (old page) [01:42] firebird619: http://pastebin.com/d205b0600 [01:42] Rat409: thanks. [01:42] sure [01:42] put it above the reload/restart entries [01:43] pizzledizzle, go to kde control panel to the sound thing (sound & multimedia > sound system) and go to hardware tab and check the box "override device location" and write in the box "plug:dmix" (without quotes) [01:43] Rat409: ok [01:43] then reload firebird619 i've also had to restart pekwm w/some themes [01:43] TwinReverb, i dont have kde [01:43] pizzledizzle, ok, well there are some instructions on that link (http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/alsa/alsa.html) that deal with other programs [01:43] basically you just tell those programs to use dmix [01:44] if it looks wrong a restart will fix it.its in the menu [01:44] TwinReverb, if you dont kick shelly the republicans ass, someone needs to [01:44] Finally, remember to include Linux users in your prayers tonight. As individuals we may not be able to change people’s minds, but the Bible teaches that God can make any sinner repent. [01:44] wtf is that shit ? [01:45] don't ask me lol [01:45] TwinReverb, what's a good sound card that had hardware duplex? [01:45] something is definitely up with crazy american religious people [01:45] sometimes,yes [01:46] Next time somebody asks you how Al Queda agents pay for their rifles and rocket launchers, you can tell them that foreign hackers make software called Linux which helps them steal from Americans. [01:46] lol [01:46] that's coming from a republican american [01:46] Action: jeev cancels her cable tv so she can't listen to sean hannity [01:47] pizzledizzle, most the creative labs i think [01:47] pizzledizzle, but all you need is alsa's dmix [01:48] jeev, who cares? that web site is a JOKE. i didn't realize it before i responded to it. i should've deleted that page [01:48] TwinReverb, im looking for something hilarious right now [01:48] my response to that site is hilarious (in an ironic way) [01:49] TwinReverb i just made it work by running one program that set sound device to plug:dmix [01:49] Some dude is out front yelling at his car while he has it in gear and using the starter motor the propel it forward... [01:49] TwinReverb is there a way to make it all automatic? [01:49] just configure everything to use alsa dmix [01:49] guys, when i get my login shell there is always a fascinating or humurous quote. Where are these stored on my system? [01:49] uh i was told once that alsa dmix should be default by now but some programs use OSS and i don't think the alsa-oss modules understand dmix yet but i don't know [01:50] TwinReverb, is there something i can put in like asound.conf and make all access to alsa use dmix? [01:50] don't quote me, just configure it [01:50] i have no clue [01:50] me_: I'm not sure where they're stored, but it's provided by bsd-games, more specifically, fortune. [01:50] i see [01:50] it's in /etc/profile.d/ [01:51] firebird619, me_ ^ [01:51] thanks [01:51] sQuEE (n=narya@host220.201-253-136.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:51] Ah ok, thanks TwinReverb [01:51] if you want to keep fortune but stop those, chmod -x i believe will do the trick [01:51] yep [01:52] i dont want to stop them, i'm looking for a particular quote i had the otyher day [01:52] i hope shelley the republican dies [01:53] jeev, fictional person [01:53] whoever's site that is is a complete moron [01:53] ok i'm deleting the page i wrote :P [01:53] at some point republicans need to face the fact their hatred is useless. they're going to keep hating and talking shit until the country goes down the drain [01:53] dont TwinReverb! [01:54] too late [01:54] me_: what was the quote? [01:54] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.252) joined ##slackware. [01:54] jeev: you know, you're sort of hatin' right now yourself... [01:55] me_: you can man fortune. You can search for a certain one if you remember part of it. [01:55] antiwire, something ubuntuish [01:55] antiwire, good [01:55] me_: you need to be more specific [01:55] /etc/profile.d/ doesn't contain the quotes, just the launcher (if that's even the right word) [01:55] me_: what was in the quote [01:55] Action: frullet needs a coffee [01:55] Action: firebird619 hands frullet a cup of coffee. :P [01:55] TwinReverb, wanna do something hilarious ? [01:55] me_: try /usr/share/fortune? [01:56] me_: grep BLAH /var/lib/bsdgames/* [01:56] Rat409 has it [01:56] mine is wrong [01:56] jeev, depends on what it is [01:56] Bold` (n=afawaz@ner-as22942.alshamil.net.ae) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:56] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:56] check message [01:57] wait. [01:57] Rat409: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14497 <--this from make on bmpanel. [01:57] looking [01:58] /usr/share/games/fortunes/ [01:58] me_: ^ [01:58] hah [01:58] hmm [01:58] that's it [02:01] Rat409: maybe, for now, I'll install tint from SBo. :P Any ideas what that error means? Am I missing something? [02:01] etigo (n=etigo@port-212-202-200-39.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: "Leaving" [02:01] not atm sorry i may have used an rpm [02:01] got it! [02:01] "Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will [02:01] want to use it." [02:02] Rat409: ok, thank you. [02:02] ubuntu should adopt a new slogan.. [02:02] now i feel complete [02:02] me_: did it have a source? [02:02] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:02] frullet: What would that be? "What can Big Brown do for you?" :P [02:02] tint2 fbpanel,lxpanel any is good [02:02] Rat409: I'm gonna go for tint2 [02:02] firebird619: what ever floats your boat ;) [02:02] big brown lol [02:02] haha [02:02] antiwire, Shaws principle [02:06] Mashandar (n=ben@CPE-121-219-229-205.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:06] hello [02:06] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] hello [02:07] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-198-217.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:07] hello me_ [02:07] how are you? [02:08] firebird619: http://pastebin.ca/1447205 desktop switcher menu ebtries,but using 0.1.11(pekwm) [02:08] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:08] Rat409: ok, thank you. [02:09] greetings [02:09] salutations slava_dp [02:09] I'm feeling a bit brave today, and was wondering if anyone could tell me if it's possible to upgrade slackware from 12.2 to -current? I wish to install KDE 4 [02:10] mines above close,kill in window ops section near bottom of menu file [02:10] great, you Mashandar? [02:10] me_: I'm good :) [02:10] Mashandar: yes, it is possible. A good place to start is to Read UPGRADE.TXT in slackware-current on a slackware mirror. [02:10] alright, thank you [02:11] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:11] firebird619: that one is for 12.1->12.2, but the basics should still be the same [02:11] also IIRC you have to remove KDE3 before KDE4 can be properly installed [02:11] Mashandar: Read CHANGES_AND_HINTS too [02:11] antiwire: alright [02:11] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [02:12] alisonken1noc: ok, I'll keep that in mind [02:12] antiwire: Is the upgrade.txt updated yet to reflect installing the new tar, xz, etc. for txz packages? I haven't looked in a while. [02:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) left irc: Success [02:12] That has to be done first now, doesn't it for upgrading to -current? [02:12] no. [02:12] ok [02:12] (it's not updated) [02:12] He'll have to do that then too. [02:14] will backing up the "/etc" directory to my home directory suffice? [02:14] or should I back it up to a portable hard disk or something? [02:14] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-198-217.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:14] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [02:15] Mashandar: first, you have to ask yourself a serious question [02:15] as long as /home is not going to be formatted (I typically put /home on it's own partition), you should be ok. If unsure, save it to a thumbdrive or something [02:15] Mashandar: Do you feel lucky? [02:15] lol [02:15] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] personally, instead of upgrading, I format and reinstall rather than upgrade [02:16] well do you??!! lol sorry couldn't resist too many dirty harry movies [02:16] lol [02:16] lol [02:16] antiwire: I feel lucky. lol [02:16] Honestly though, if there is any doubt at all backup it all up to a separate media [02:16] antiwire: apart from that, I'm used to screwing up my system [02:16] It's always a good idea to backup. [02:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) joined ##slackware. [02:17] I'm sort of paranoid about filesystems so I do full system backups at least weekly, sometimes biweekly [02:19] i backup bisexually [02:19] updated -> http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/alsa/alsa.html [02:19] I was so waiting for a sexual joke to come out. I knew it was going to happen right as I typed that line. [02:21] well time to crash night everyone be well! [02:21] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.66.178) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:21] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f82acc97249b84ad) joined ##slackware. [02:21] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-187-163.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:22] alright, I've backed up the essentials [02:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:23] hmm...looks like I'll need the slackware-current packages anyway....I might as well just install fresh [02:24] especially if I need to download the discs either way [02:24] Mashandar: wait. you were going to try to only install kde4? [02:24] no, I figured I needed to upgrade to slackware-current to get kde4 [02:24] but I thought there was some upgrade process which would download the packages [02:25] yes, but how would you upgrade any of it without the slackware current packages? [02:25] I didn't realise I needed to download the slackware-current cd iso's either way [02:25] antiwire: disregard that, I made a booboo [02:25] There is but it is probably best to do this manually. [02:25] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] I was mentioning the fact that I needed to download the slackware-current discs anyway [02:26] I might as well install from scratch if I needed to download the iso's no matter which way I went [02:26] I see [02:26] me_ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "me_em" [02:27] what up antiwire you gangster [02:28] holy crap that one came out of nowhere [02:28] =) [02:28] I should have downloaded slackware-current first. oh well [02:28] I'm good, what about you? [02:28] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.138) joined ##slackware. [02:28] good today is friday for me for work:D [02:29] Any time that Thursday is Friday is a good time. [02:30] oh bugger. I'm almost over the cap. I'll have to wait then [02:30] Mashandar: got a laptop? [02:30] Mashandar: go find a wifi hotspot and 'be that jerk' [02:31] lol [02:31] won't find many hotspots (if any at all) where I live [02:32] antiwire: since KDE4 is in slackware-current, does that mean the next version of slackware will have KDE 4? [02:32] yes [02:32] hmm [02:32] 13 will have it [02:33] well, I might just stick it out with KDE 3.5.x until then [02:33] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.115.95.69) left irc: "morrie toe joe toe" [02:33] hah, can't believe I just said that. it's gotta be the first reasonable thought I've ever had [02:33] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434302.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:34] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.162) joined ##slackware. [02:34] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:35] KyNDeR (n=kynder@201-67-105-46.bsaco701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [02:35] Mashandar: you haven't had any reasonable thoughts until now? :P [02:35] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:35] totally OT, but it's slow anyway. Has anyone who is willing to talk about it been prescribed anti-anxiety medicines? [02:36] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Excess Flood [02:36] not I. Have you? [02:36] firebird619: well, not when it's related to waiting and patience [02:36] lol [02:36] no but there's ##ADHD and ##adhdchat for those willing to talk about anti-ADD meds [02:36] sQuEE (n=narya@host220.201-253-136.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [02:36] firebird619: nope, I'm just curious about it. [02:37] nothing wrong with being curious. :) [02:38] i was driving today and i had a seizure and almost crashed heh [02:38] eek [02:38] Hi nix_chix0r [02:38] i wish my dr would stop cancelling my appoinntments [02:38] dang. [02:38] sup [02:38] i never had it affect my driving [02:38] you get seizures a lot? [02:39] i guess i do. i never notice [02:39] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:40] Greetings The-Croupier [02:40] micro seizures [02:40] hiya firebird619 , antiwire [02:40] hello! [02:40] hows it going? [02:40] all good in the hood. [02:40] I've never had a seizure but I've had dizzy spells to the point of passing out. They never were able to pin it so they blamed it on blood sugar [02:40] i mean blood pressure [02:41] not sugar. [02:41] lol [02:41] i get dizzy alot as well [02:41] have to be careful when i start going back to the gym this month [02:42] i finally got the ok from the dr [02:42] having a kid really takes a lot out of you [02:42] nix_chix0r: the best advice regarding dizzy spells...get as close to the ground as possible before you pass the hell out. you'll have less distance to fall that way [02:42] agreed [02:44] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:44] nvision (n=nvision@g229077134.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [02:45] stupid question, i installed slackware-current live from ftp.server. ;) my question is: it says 12.2 how can i check that i am actually really running current [02:46] The-Croupier: check the versions of packages against the Changelogs [02:46] is that what $(cat /etc/slackware-version) shows? [02:47] alisonken1noc: /etc/slackware-version will show 12.2.0 for current. [02:47] ok [02:47] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.25.85) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:47] The-Croupier: closely examine package names, including the package revision numbers. [02:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] look at those and compare them to the Changelogs [02:48] it's a bit of a detective game really [02:49] The-Croupier: slack32 I take it? [02:49] The ease of determining -current systems vs. versioned systems depends on how old the version of -current is that the system in question is running [02:49] if it is fairly recent it will be easy. [02:49] if yes, $(ls /var/log/packages/pkgtools*) and see if it's pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-6 (last package updated in changelogs) [02:50] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [02:51] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] I wanna see the ground give way..." [02:51] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [02:52] cp: cannot stat `/tmp/SBo/package-tint2/etc/xdg/tint2/tintrc': No such file or directory. The tintrc file does exist, I checked. Any ideas what I can do to fix it? I'm using SBo's slackbuild and a different version of tint. [02:52] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] firebird619: are you running the script via sudo or su? [02:53] firebird619: did you post in #sbopkg? [02:53] antiwire: su [02:53] alisonken1noc: I'm not using sbopkg [02:53] moomooo moo [02:53] i am cow_chix0r [02:53] firebird619: try su'ing completely into root and try again [02:53] i assume you are using -c [02:54] antiwire: No, su -> password -> cd to directory -> run slackbuild. [02:54] ok nm then [02:54] Those files are sample tint configurations. [02:55] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.159.219.142) joined ##slackware. [02:55] This is the line it errors out on: cp $PKG/etc/xdg/tint2/tintrc $PKG/usr/doc/$PRGNAM-$VERSION/tintrc-samples/tintrc1 [02:56] whoops, I think I figured it out. [02:56] Ugh, nope. :( [02:57] clear [02:57] fail [02:57] :P [02:58] firebird619: why do you have to write fail? [02:58] and not something else? [02:58] :P [02:58] lol, it seemed like the best thing to say at the time. :D [03:01] Now I fail [03:01] antiwire: I got it. [03:01] It needed to be tint2rc for the one I'm using. :P [03:04] brb [03:04] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [03:05] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-51a1619f3c90b1ea) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:06] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:08] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:11] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:11] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [03:14] /var/log/packages/pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-5 [03:14] -current! [03:14] that is my last updated file...:( [03:14] antiwire: how are you sure? [03:15] that is what i need to get to... [03:15] where can i check by myself , ls /var/log/packages/ then...check where? [03:15] this is why i'm sure http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/slackware/a/pkgtools-12.1.0-noarch-7.tgz [03:16] you have this on your system? /var/log/packages/pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-5 [03:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] if you have "pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-5" on your system you are running a -current install from between Tue Apr 28 17:00:14 CDT 2009 and Wed Jun 3 18:17:19 CDT 2009 [03:19] unless you've totally borked your system and it has some frankenmix of packages [03:19] then you're on your own [03:21] antiwire: i installed yesterday morning [03:21] then you installed from an old current set of packages [03:21] i can update again though i guess [03:22] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [03:25] Mashandar (n=ben@CPE-121-219-229-205.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:25] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) joined ##slackware. [03:25] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:26] antiwire: slackpkg upgrade-all ;) would be alright? or will that mess anything up? [03:26] slackpkg update && install-new && upgrade-all [03:27] just to be sure. [03:27] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.159.219.142) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:27] Mashandar (n=ben@CPE-121-219-229-205.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:27] you might run 'slackpkg clean-system' after that and just have a look for official packages that have possibly been removed. [03:27] hello [03:27] I have returned [03:28] antiwire: what do you mean [03:28] I'm only suggesting that because you don't seem to be totally sure about the state or even version of that system. [03:29] The-Croupier: slackpkg clean-system will show you packages that are no longer in the official list, including the packages you've manually added yourself. It's good to run and then look at the list for official packages that have been removed. [03:29] i see. [03:29] i did add some pkg yesterday that are definately not on official ;) [03:29] from sbo though ;) [03:29] you'll see all the SBo packages you've added but you're only interested in the ones in the list that are official. [03:30] antiwire: hmmm i see [03:30] ok let it upgrade first ;) [03:30] if you end up finding some official ones that have been removed, just go through and uncheck everything you wish to keep and leave the ones you wish to remove checked. [03:30] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:30] i see theres a new kernel as well ;) let it upgrade first ;) ill take it from there [03:31] im doing this on xfce running ;) its not a problem right? [03:31] or shall i go back to console [03:31] usually not a problem I out of paranoia I use RL3 or even rl1 sometimes [03:31] depending on what is being updated, based on the changelog. [03:31] i out/ but [03:32] geez I'm typing like a neanderthal [03:32] Official SBo packages? [03:33] what? [03:33] ccfreak2k: no i didnt say that... i said there are some pkgs from sbo as well, thats what i meant ;) sorry for the missunderstanding [03:33] I never said Official Sbo packages. I said that slackpkg clean-system will list those, along with any other added packages and official packages that have been removed. [03:34] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [03:34] damn some external xz utility missing [03:34] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:35] The-Croupier: try this first slackpkg update && slackpkg install xz && slackpkg upgrade tar [03:36] Later everyone. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Take care. [03:36] cya firebird619 [03:36] then try upgrade-all again [03:36] antiwire: ok...is that for the new txz files? [03:36] see ya Mashandar [03:36] later The-Croupier [03:36] The-Croupier: yes [03:36] later antiwire [03:36] see ya [03:36] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [03:37] no pkg for tar [03:37] that means i have it already [03:37] i think ;) [03:39] what tar package do you have installed? [03:39] tar-1.22-i486-2 ? [03:39] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-187-163.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:41] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:44] tar-1.22-i486-2 [03:44] yep ;) [03:44] did you install xz yet? [03:44] going to console.. ;) cos i see there are lots of libs and some kernel pkgs to be updated [03:44] antiwire: yes ofc [03:44] you should be set then [03:44] that was the first thing i did [03:45] thanks..going off x, to update things ;) bbsoon [03:45] k [03:45] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "leaving" [03:45] i'm waiting [03:47] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-13.dial.telus.net) left irc: "night" [03:48] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [03:48] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [03:50] so....stuff [03:50] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:50] and more stuff...stuff stuff stuff [03:51] stuff is good [03:51] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [03:51] not always good [03:52] well, there is a time when stuff is bad [03:54] i have a question...when the hell did native american become a bad word? is PC gone to far? [03:54] slava_dp_ (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:54] i was forced to put 1st nations on a government form yesterday [03:55] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) joined ##slackware. [03:55] hello, slava_dp [03:56] yosii: are you Indian? :) [03:56] slava_dp_ (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Client Quit [03:56] spiki, osage [03:57] native american became a bad word? [03:57] Mashandar, according to the city of new york, yeah [03:57] Action: slava_dp was just trying irssi and stays with xchat for now. [03:58] hmm, wierd [03:58] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [03:58] googled. tribe related to Sioux. i've remember seeing Sioux in books. Can't remember about Osage. sry. blame my education [03:59] spiki, related, but not necessarily sharing similar lands [03:59] spiki, our warrior culture was similar [04:00] spiki, my family line was from southern missouri [04:00] spiki, around joplin [04:00] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:00] but osage lands stretched as far south as the arkansas river [04:01] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [04:01] I don't know a thing about native americans. but that's most likely due to the fact that I'm australian [04:04] howard2 (n=s@79.141.18.36) joined ##slackware. [04:04] OldCompDude (i=45b21985@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b6da6c28c0e8b68f) joined ##slackware. [04:04] hi [04:04] hello howard2 [04:04] hello [04:04] i've pentium1 , ram 32, Vcard 2mb, any OS can work with it? but not windows! [04:05] oh , cpu 233 [04:05] XD [04:05] i have a 32MB ram, 1.8GB hard disk, and a Pentium I processor, will slackware work on it? [04:05] lol [04:06] howard2: I'm pretty sure you can't run mac os on it either [04:06] howard2, on 32 megs of ram you might try slackware 11, it uses kernel 2.4 and has lower memory requirements. [04:06] i mean OS = operating system like linux [04:06] Mac OS is an OS [04:06] right [04:06] howard2, with 1.8 gig disk you will have to do a selective install (i. e. no kde) but it will run. [04:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434302.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:06] ok, thank you ^_^ [04:07] hmm [04:07] this is odd... [04:07] mibbit huh [04:07] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434302.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:07] 1.8 gig was question from OldCompDude :P [04:07] how's that working out? [04:08] mibbit works.... [04:08] oh, sorry. i misread about the hdd then. [04:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:08] so try slack 11, tell us how it goes. [04:08] Heh, it's an IBM thinkpad 760ED [04:09] the bad part is.... my comp can't boot CD's [04:09] the thinkpad [04:09] go on, netboot it and load slack on it. [04:10] I can't netboot it since it has no built in ethernet port, it uses a PCMCIA 3COM lan adapter.... [04:11] one of those ejectable card thingys [04:11] maybe if I could load up the drivers first....but that's impossible [04:13] do you have a friend with a laptop? [04:13] I've never booted over network before... [04:13] No, I have two laptops sitting here, one newer one, and the old one [04:13] well make a bootdisk of slackware 11's kernel and load that. than do the installation over the net. [04:13] perfect. [04:13] does the new one have an optical drive? [04:14] yes [04:14] It's a vista [04:14] XD [04:14] Might turn into a linux though [04:14] ok, then not perfect. I bet the new laptop uses SATA and the old one uses ATA [04:16] get a usb to ide adapter. it's an indispensable thing to have. [04:16] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:16] or.... does it even have usb? [04:16] the old one doesn't [04:16] crap [04:17] it has a network boot option though... [04:17] you said it does not. [04:17] in the bios it does, but I don't know how to do it [04:17] I can't netboot it since it has no built in ethernet port, it uses a PCMCIA 3COM lan adapter.... [04:18] it has the bios option.... :/ [04:18] maybe I could netboot from dos with all the drivers loaded up... [04:18] OldCompDude: you can get a laptop->desktop ide adapter and install onto your laptop drive from your desktop [04:19] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:19] many times I've used a spare desktop to do that for other computers [04:19] OldCompDude: does it have floppy? [04:19] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe <--- netboot slack [04:19] yes [04:19] OldCompDude (i=45b21985@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b6da6c28c0e8b68f) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [04:20] howard2 (n=s@79.141.18.36) left irc: [04:20] OldCompDude (i=45b21985@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f740a9e130161afe) joined ##slackware. [04:20] then look at the "bootdisks" directory... and create bootable floppy from which you can begin installation [04:21] I just lost connection... can you repeat that link? [04:21] that will continue with nfs/* via ethernet [04:22] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe [04:22] Thanks :) [04:22] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: "Leaving" [04:22] but it's much easier to just create a boot floppy. [04:23] i installed the current version, ;) also slackpkg upgrade installed new kernel etc etc..when i start though..it still says 27.7 im sure current uses 29 [04:23] why still use the old kernel :( [04:24] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [04:24] The-Croupier: you will hv to edit the lilo.conf i thnk [04:24] i mean to see it as 29.4 [04:24] i dont see it in /usr/src/ as 29.4 though..its only the old one there [04:25] how are you sure that you installed 29.4 [04:25] init[1]: slackpkg upgrade-all [04:26] hmm did you see any /lib/module/xxx29.4/ [04:27] i think ill follow the old road, just compile it from scratch..i dont know how this slakpkg does things ;) compiling from scratch its easier [04:27] :) [04:27] but if you use slackpkg [04:28] you should have seen the modules atleast [04:28] what about /boot/ [04:28] are there any 29.4 [04:28] i rerun slackpkg ...again [04:28] ill see what it does [04:28] The-Croupier: did you rerun lilo? [04:29] slackpkg should have told you to do that too, IIRC [04:29] or asked you if you wanted to [04:30] hmm, nm if you're missing all of the 2.6.29.4 stuff in /usr/src/ it sounds like something didn't happen [04:31] yep [04:31] checking now [04:31] antiwire: i run slackpkg as root in console... didnt install anything... [04:32] after reruning it..i see all the pkgs there... [04:32] now doing it on x, ;) hope this doesnt mess up anything [04:32] The-Croupier: do you have the older sources in /usr/src/ though? [04:32] antiwire: yes, 27.7 [04:32] the old kernel [04:33] ls /usr/src/rpm/ [04:33] i have something like this as well, sorry /usr/src/rpm :( [04:35] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Yoyo! [04:35] pri4pus: !oyoY [04:38] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.200) joined ##slackware. [04:39] steppenwolfii (n=greymaus@86-43-177-106-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Take note: I previously stated my opinion was to expect slack 13 after KDE 4.3 .. however i didnt realise there was still a stability and bugfix release of kde4.2 in the making. I think theres a reasonable chance that since kde4.2.4 is now out and that 4.3 has big-ish feature changes.. it's possible slack13 might not be too far away now [04:40] just my 2ç :) [04:40] we. don't. care!!!! [04:41] antiwire: you might not [04:41] Zordrak: thank you for the information i was planning to switch [04:41] to kde [04:42] but im looking forward to it myself... means everyone will be singing from the same hymn sheet again... theres so many people rcunning current at the moment it will be nice to get us all back on a release ver [04:43] I always runn current [04:43] Action: Zordrak golf claps [04:43] yeah see? that way you feel? it's the way I feel about your 2cents. interesting idea here huh? [04:43] antiwire: i used to run current, then switched to ver, didnt like it...there were no errors, switched to current again [04:43] so what determines when a new slackware comes out? [04:44] Mashandar: planetial alignment [04:44] Mashandar: the location of the planets and stars [04:44] uh [04:44] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:44] you serious, or are you pulling my leg? [04:44] for reelz. [04:44] interesting [04:44] so when is the next one planned? [04:45] soon. [04:45] check astrology sites ;) youll get it [04:45] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-d227b5bbc97a993d) joined ##slackware. [04:45] hey runing compiz creates problem [04:46] i guess it doesnt really matter when the next vers is coming out if you run current ;) [04:46] my window boder just dissapeared [04:46] init[1]: thats compiz for you [04:46] on the note of astrology. my cat went funky last night. it sat on the window looking at the moon for about a minute. then runs around the room knocking stuff over, going totally loopy [04:46] init[1]: you need to set the decorator. [04:46] emerald [04:46] i had not issue before [04:46] no [04:46] replace-window-decorator& or something like thatn [04:46] Mashandar: she probably smelled new version of slackware coming out [04:47] compiz blows [04:47] The-Croupier: it was a he...er...it [04:48] Mashandar: what did you do to your cat after that? [04:48] antiwire: I left it alone. there's no way I'm gonna get near that cat when it's in a funky mood [04:48] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:48] probably scratch me arms off [04:49] feed it catnip [04:49] no, I'm not going to excite it anymore [04:49] Mashandar: set it on fire ;) [04:50] that's mean [04:50] and watch it run, just do it outside or your house might be on fire [04:50] Mashandar: depends how you look at it..its funny as well ;) [04:50] I'd be concerned for the mental health of anyone who would seriously do that [04:51] Mashandar: you wouldnt do it seriously, you would do it for fun [04:51] that's even worse [04:51] Action: The-Croupier is joking, but he did see it done with mice when he was young [04:51] pilipo (n=mr_gere_@122.55.51.200) left irc: [04:51] set it on fire then piss on it and shoot it with a bit shotgun. (guess i played too much postal 2) [04:52] this youth experience explains a lot about you The-Croupier [04:52] The-Croupier: who the hell set mice on fire!? [04:52] slava_dp: lol [04:52] antiwire: thank you dear sir [04:52] everything makes sense now [04:52] you can use it as a gun silencer too [04:52] lol [04:52] slava_dp: lol [04:52] antiwire: i have lots of experiences..that is the least [04:53] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:53] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-d227b5bbc97a993d) left irc: "Leaving" [04:53] how on earth can it reinstall irssi, while im still using it :( wtf) [04:54] it can actually :) [04:54] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-c2139be24301c86f) joined ##slackware. [04:54] The-Croupier: you're using it while it it resident [04:54] it updates the files on disk. [04:54] damn, just checked, it is ;) [04:54] for the love of god [04:54] awsome [04:54] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:55] or shall i say, for the love of (mice and cats) [04:55] ;) [04:55] unlike windows. please close all of your open applications etc. [04:55] slava_dp: yeah that is stupid [04:55] that's only because irssi fits in memory whole isn't it? [04:56] wouldn't work if only a few pages of it were kept in memory [04:56] Action: The-Croupier feels bad now, he logged out before because he thought it would mess up somthing (windows style) :( oops [04:56] you can upgrade any package. firefox for example. it won't load any pages after that but it'll work with what's currently loaded. [04:56] Mashandar: Sort of, It's because after you execute irssi it is running in ram and the binary on the disk is just sitting there [04:56] Hermaniette (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [04:57] now, you don't want to try this with glibc though [04:57] i just fear that upgrading a running kde is a bad idea :) [04:57] antiwire: I know, that's what I was saying [04:57] never tried though [04:57] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:58] im upgrading kernel i think as well...;) [04:58] antiwire: however, if you had to use virtual memory with irssi, it wouldn't work [04:58] but thats different isnt it..ill just run lilo when this is finished [04:58] it would work [04:59] it's not like even as it stands you magically get the new version without restarting the program [04:59] the package would update fine and then you'd just restart the program to use the new version [04:59] I guess...if you needed to use virtual memory it would be put in the swap space anyway, wouldn't it? [04:59] maxote (n=||||||||@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [05:00] the running program is not using the same memory space or even type of memory as the binary [05:00] as the stored* binary [05:00] antiwire: ofc,that is everywhere in all OSes [05:00] hmm, ok [05:01] fuqing cat fight outside my window [05:01] if that was the case, ppl running office,autocad,and photoshop would just have supercomputers [05:01] I just though the memory only loaded a portion of the program in memory, and got the rest from disk as it needs it [05:01] antiwire: get the petrol, and matches [05:02] Mashandar: storage is not the same as memory in this context though [05:02] the binary just sits there, literally [05:03] then were does all the other pages of memory get stored? [05:03] you're talking about the resident, running program [05:03] the system loads it and after it is loaded the actual executable is just there on the disk [05:04] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:04] alright then [05:04] for example, i run pidgin and while it's running I build a new version and install it. I'm stilling running the old version even though the new binary in on the disk. [05:05] then i restart pidgin and the system reads the disk, loads the new on and i get the new pidgin [05:05] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:05] on/one [05:06] fair enough [05:08] on embedded systems you'll even have the whole OS read from flash and loaded into RAM, rootfs and everything [05:08] you could technically change the whole OS out form the flash and still have the old OS running in ram [05:08] I guess that's why you can updrade glibc ;) [05:09] nvision (n=nvision@g229077134.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [05:09] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [05:09] yep [05:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:15] irssi loads the lines ppl write at the bottom, could it be reversed? and load them on the top? [05:15] does anyone know? not a problem but nice feature.. ;) [05:17] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [05:18] hi [05:18] ezgumol (n=jk@84.251.66.24) left irc: Connection timed out [05:18] greetings tewmten ;) [05:19] The-Croupier: :) [05:19] tewmten: have you ever been in newcastle UK? [05:19] nope [05:19] i know phrag is from there tho [05:19] tewmten: i know, i used to live with him [05:19] ;) [05:19] ah cool [05:20] a full year, same course, same house ;) [05:20] hello tewmten [05:20] yeah ive met him a few times.. on WTH and then also he came to amsterdam to visit [05:20] hi Mashandar [05:20] puh.. what a week [05:20] tewmten: hahah i thnk he told me about that [05:20] i ended my vacation with a traffic accident and broke my collar bone [05:21] he said he had a great time though ;) [05:21] yeah [05:21] tewmten: i shouldnt ask how... [05:21] im talking about this week now tho.. [05:21] i still shouldnt ask how..;) [05:21] tewmten: do you know when is the next WTH [05:21] so now im just sitting home doing nothing [05:21] yes [05:21] www.har2009.org [05:22] tewmten: thanks ill have a look [05:22] tewmten: you going? [05:22] hahaha, E16 1.0 released :p [05:22] thats the plsn [05:22] tewmten: ouch [05:24] now the kernel sources are upgraded... meaning ill have to run lilo again.. or configure lilo.conf manualy? upgraded with slackpkg fyi [05:24] sources only ? [05:24] tewmten: are you in a figure 8? [05:26] tewmten: it says " near Vierhouten, NL." do we know exactly or will there be instructions on how to get there later? [05:26] antiwire: a what? [05:26] i dont know any from my country going...so... it might be difficult [05:26] goes around both shoulders and across the back to hold your scapulae and clavicles in place [05:26] The-Croupier: there will be detailerd instructions [05:26] http://di1.shopping.com/images1/pi/88/33/ed/32308152-100x100-0-0_Figure_8_Posture_Aid_Clavicle_Splint_Size_Large_50.jpg?p=Kqdkyckum1&a=2&c=1&l=3033102&t=06%2F04%2F09%2005%3A25%3A54%20AM&r=1 [05:26] oops [05:26] antiwire: a mitella you mean, yes i has one [05:27] on not one of those i have [05:27] we call them figure 8 here [05:27] tewmten: i subscribed alredy ;) will be checking... will you be there? [05:27] aka: device of torture [05:27] lol [05:27] http://www.omnimed.ch/omnimed/pub/87065_Mitella_ohne239.jpg [05:28] i have one of those [05:28] ah [05:28] those aren't so bad [05:28] not the girl, unfortunately [05:28] hehe [05:28] lol [05:28] nah it could be worse [05:28] here's a better image of the torture device http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4563218/UniClatip_Full.jpg [05:28] but doc didnt give me any painkillers so.. [05:29] oh what. [05:29] that's bullshit [05:29] i have to be viking about this shit [05:29] car accident that results in broken bones..it's customary to give out narcotics [05:29] nah i was on bicycle [05:29] you got jacked on this deal. [05:29] hmm, which do you people think is faster, KDE 3.5.x or KDE 4? [05:30] technically speaking i _was_ the traffic accident [05:30] hahaha [05:30] I heard KDE 4 had some performance improvements...but... [05:30] :P [05:30] antiwire: but i was drunk also, i dont think doctors wanna give morphine to drunken people [05:30] but also my health insurance is a bit unclear so.. [05:30] this keeps getting better, at your expense [05:31] largo3_ (n=largo@platinum.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:31] it already cosst me 250 euros at theemergency room [05:31] ouch [05:32] i pay 130USD per month just for the 'in case it happens' [05:32] but im insured through my work, i just need the office to clear this shit out to me [05:32] afk for a bit [05:32] which one you think is faster, kde3 or kde2? new features and new look always cost some performance. [05:33] slava_dp: heh, fair enough [05:33] antiwire: well any way its just a collar bone, the good lord was kind enough to grace me with a spare one! [05:33] haha [05:33] lmao [05:33] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:34] I've bused up many bones [05:34] busted* [05:34] If i don't keep insurance I'd go bankrupt [05:35] I learned my lesson one time. I had to pay out of pocket for a broken ankle and all told it cost me 700USD [05:36] andrew91 (n=andrew@static-217-133-32-97.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [05:37] hi [05:37] shit [05:37] has anyone some news about the new slackbook (3.0)? [05:37] yeah im gonna sort it out with the office next week [05:38] no one, huh? can't find any news about it... [05:39] ok, /boot/ is all 29.4, /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.4/, anything else i need to check or just run lilo one more time after slackpkg is finished? [05:41] alienBOB: was there a reason you kicked me from ##slackware64? :P [05:42] uhm, I see that there is Alan_Hicks here, aren't you one of the author of the slackbook? do you have any news on the new version? [05:42] authors* [05:42] andrew91: what kind of news? [05:43] andrew91: I imagine Alan_Hicks is still sleeping. [05:43] I need to say this before i burst all over the place and make a right mess: [05:43] OpenVPN for the GOD DAMNED WIN!!! [05:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:43] ok, I'll wait. I read in the slackbook's homepage that there is a new version coming out in mid 2009, I'd want to know what's the status [05:44] I am so unbelievably happy to see the back oy IPSec [05:44] *of [05:45] chopp: ##slackware64 now redirects to ##slackware [05:45] does that mean we have to unofficially support slackware64? [05:45] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Zordrak: yeah I noticed that. I guess he skidded me so he could set that up. ;) [05:46] chopp: indeed... this is freenode, not undernet :) [05:46] guys, what on earth is this twitter thing? another myspace,facebook,...etc crap? [05:46] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon_Vodka [05:47] The-Croupier: its blogging by text message (basically) [05:47] hoho [05:47] key word here being crap [05:47] The-Croupier: so you can tell everyone exactly what time you go far a crap [05:47] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [05:48] ahh shit, I was so busy twittering, I forgot to wipe. [05:48] chopp: dont talk twitter in here :P [05:48] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [05:48] It's useful for people blogging their safari adventure... but primarily used by morons whove found another new way to tell the entire world about every last insignificant detail of their insignificant lives [05:49] i always wanted to say that but instead of twitter use ubuntu [05:49] ;) [05:49] The-Croupier: fix your box and never mind. :P [05:49] chopp: thats old news [05:52] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:54] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [05:56] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Success [05:58] a few years back i built a blog which worked via sms [05:58] i never used it tho [05:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:52] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:53] vinegaroon (n=sam@202.180.123.62) joined ##slackware. [07:54] keycode 153 = "mpc next" [07:54] but, that doesn't work :( [07:54] bash-3.1$ xmodmap .Xmodmap \n xmodmap: .Xmodmap:1: bad keysym name '"mpc' in keysym list etc. [07:56] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) joined ##slackware. [07:58] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:01] andrew91 (n=andrew@static-217-133-32-97.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [08:03] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:03] dusty_ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:04] Hey guys, which file in KDE starts the ssh-agent ? I am familiar to Gnomes /etc/X11/Xsession.d/file with it in, I can't seem to find it for KDE. I need to start the commercial ssh-agent so that when using a terminal with kde it has rights to add keys to that agent.. can anyone help me out finding the file that loads the openssh agent during kde start? [08:07] dusty_ : maybe using keychain would solve the issue [08:08] DaveVK (n=DaveVK@CPE-138-130-114-181.nsw.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:11] ananke: what is that ? [08:13] brb [08:13] dusty_ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: "leaving" [08:17] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f82acc97249b84ad) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:20] mib_h7hhvg (i=74446389@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a7986b37302bff76) joined ##slackware. [08:20] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [08:21] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. 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Wonderful! :-D [08:36] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@85.84.197.207) joined ##slackware. [08:36] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [08:40] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [08:44] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-35-86.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:44] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:45] hd (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [08:49] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-75-131.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] polatov (n=polatov@88.204.253.112) joined ##slackware. [08:51] nheco (n=nheco@201.15.142.71) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:51] Lalloso: it been there for quite while [08:53] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Action: Camarade_Tux spent too much time playing frozen bubble [08:57] Camarade_Tux: that was so cute. . [08:59] lol [08:59] frozen-bubble is awesome [09:00] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [09:00] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left ##slackware. [09:01] Thom1 (n=Thom1@75.118.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] hi [09:01] hey Thom1 [09:03] I'm building a slackbuild but I have a little problem with a 'find' command : http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/349099 [09:04] hmm, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I haven't made any slackbuilds before [09:04] the 'find' line 117 stopped Sb saying : find: paths must precede expression [09:05] ok Mashandar :) [09:05] Thom1: better ask in #slackbuilds [09:05] good idea [09:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:06] is this the official slackware chan ? [09:06] yes [09:06] :) [09:06] dunno [09:06] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:06] I guess so then [09:07] I have a question about the new slackware64 branch : why the slackware directory (with packages) is called slackware64 but not slackware ? [09:08] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [09:08] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [09:08] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [09:09] played for 78 minutes... [09:09] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:09] Camarade_Tux: playing what? may I ask? [09:09] Mashandar, frozen bubble [09:10] ahh, great game that :P [09:10] Camarade_Tux: have you played hedgewars? that's a lot of fun too [09:11] Mashandar, I'd better not play it today, I have an exam on tomorrow >< [09:11] hey don't waste time on games [09:11] Camarade_Tux: ahh, fair enough [09:12] nobody knows about slackware64 directory ? [09:13] so do you guys know of any good ways of getting slackware packages apart from slackbuilds? [09:13] Thom1: it differenciates it from the 32 bit branch [09:13] Thom1: afraid not [09:13] Thom1: or what thumbs said ^^, lol [09:13] pfff, wolfram alpha sucks : it can't tell me where to find porn -_- [09:13] Mashandar: what's wrong with slackbuilds? [09:14] thumbs: nothing, just hoping there was a place with even more packages [09:14] Camarade_Tux, give bing a shot then [09:14] Thom1: what about it ? [09:14] Mashandar: one that you can trust? not really. [09:14] Look in rworkman's or my own package repositories Mashandar [09:14] thumbs, do we talk about the same directory ? I talk about the slackware64 directory inside the slackware64-current [09:14] thumbs: ok then. [09:14] Thom1: yes [09:14] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:15] deffd, I also asked wolfram|alpha "where to find porn" ;) ... got no answer ='( [09:15] thumbs, why there is no patches64 or sources64 but only slackware64 ? [09:15] Thom1: the answer to your qeustion is "why not" [09:15] it's only 2 numbers tacked to the end, no harm done [09:15] Thom1: the sources are the same. also, patches only exist for released versions of slackware, which 64-bit has not been released [09:15] Sources are not architecture specific [09:16] alienBOB, because we need to modify our own scripts using the slackware directory [09:16] alienBOB: they can be [09:16] If not coded properly [09:17] thrice`, yes I know but I don't understand why this change, and we'll see if there will be a patches64 dir later [09:17] anyone got a recommendation for a USB-bootable live distro for a sysadmin use? [09:18] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-229-217.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:18] Thom1: seriously, it's incredibly simple. slackware64 = 64-bit, slackware = 32-bit [09:18] Thom1: "we need to modify our own scripts" ?? Wtf are you talking about? [09:18] Thom1: because the slackware and slackware64 trees are completely separate it's irrelevant [09:18] Why should I care for your scripts? [09:18] 64 patches are /slackware64/patches [09:18] Zordrak, systemrescuecd, 250 mb [09:19] 32 patches are /slackware/patches [09:19] slava_dp: bit small innit? [09:19] oh god, boost. I hate that lib [09:19] Zordrak, has all the tools [09:19] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.152.63) joined ##slackware. [09:19] thrice`, so we'll have only one slackware-13.0 for the 32 and 64 bits or we'll have a slackware-13.0 and a slackware64-13.0 dir ? [09:20] Thom1: one for each [09:20] slava_dp: ta [09:21] Zordrak, "64 patches are /slackware64/patches", why not /slackware64/patches64 ? [09:21] because..its KNOWN to be slackware64 from the previous directory [09:21] Thom1: wtf? [09:21] you expected a /slackware64/patches32 ? [09:21] why are you so concerned about non-released slackware ? [09:21] :> [09:22] Thom1: are you saying EVERY directory should end "64"? [09:22] C00re and Zordrak, we'll have a slackware64/slackware64, why not slackware64/patches64 ? [09:22] Zodrak: he's saying the opposite, I think [09:22] Mashandar, +1 [09:22] http://mirror64.somemirror.net/mirrors/slackware64-current/slackware64/a64/ [09:23] kde64 lol [09:23] straterra: s/.net/.net64/ [09:24] think we have slackware32-13.0 and slackware64-13.0 : why we have slackware32-13.0/slackware and slackware64-13.0/slackware64 but not slackware64-13.0/slackware ? [09:24] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:24] hi [09:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Thom1: WTF does it matter? [09:24] That's how Pat wants to organize it.. [09:24] i got a laptop here slack 12.1 and when i go in X and connect external monitor I dont see anything on external monitor, how can i clone display on both? [09:24] So that's how it is [09:24] Thom1: Your bus is leaving... run forrest run! [09:25] jamess__: thats an Xorg/display driver thing [09:25] jamess__: install a graphics driver for your card [09:25] i got the nvidia driver installed [09:26] straterra, I don't want to rename the directory, I just want to understand why it's called slackware64. Is there a good reason or it's just like that ? [09:26] nvidia-settings [09:26] I have a sneaking suspicion it could have to do with the 64-bit architecture it was designed for, but I could be wrong :P [09:26] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.129.124) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:26] i am in nvidia and then i see the other screen and it says disabled [09:27] so how do i enable it [09:28] Thom1: that was confusing [09:28] thanks init[1], now I have my answer :) [09:30] find something that says enable [09:30] or ask nvidia [09:30] or just be root. [09:31] appzer0: ?! [09:31] Thom1: "Configuration: Disabled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Configure... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< [09:31] Zordrak ??? [09:32] in the nvidia-settings [09:34] Zordrak, why do you tell me that ? I have no problem with nvidia [09:35] i was talking to jamess__ didnt mean to AC you [09:36] no problem [09:39] WTF is up with this... i unable to DL a file from SF and i dont know why.. i think its something to do with the ISP or connection to it... but the packet cap just doesnt make sense... worst of all DomnThemAll will pull the whole file except for the last 5 MB when it stalls... wget just wont even start it.... take a look at this: http://pastebin.ca/1447557 [09:41] Action: BP{k} pokes htop. [09:41] im wondering if the other side isnt receiving my ACKs.... [09:42] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [09:42] maybe try downloading with a...browser? [09:42] Zordrak: since it's SF, I am tempting to blame it on them ;-) [09:42] Mashandar: "worst of all DomnThemAll will pull the whole file except for the last 5 MB when it stalls..." [09:42] BP{k}: unfortunately i cant [09:43] DomnThemAll is a browser> [09:43] *? [09:43] BP{k}: i have a user who originally reported this behaviour to me a week ago [09:43] Mashandar: downthemall [09:43] BP{k}: i just pulled the file for them from a server at home and scp'ed it over [09:44] BP{k}: i can do the same now... but i want to find WTF is going on [09:44] BP{k}: it doesnt help that we avg 3% packet loss at the moment [09:44] well, try disabling the plugin and downloading it with the firefox download manager> [09:44] Zordrak: yeah, I can imagine, plus constantly doing that is going to be a right pain in the proverbial in the long run. :| [09:44] BP{k}: but then even that shouldnt give this completely reproducable problew [09:45] Mashandar: please stop saying completely useless things [09:45] alright then [09:45] Action: Mashandar shuts up [09:46] trying to think what would cause a remote server to RST,ACK without receivinc an RST [09:48] Zordrak :) [09:49] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:49] Zordrak: attempted man in the middle attack. [09:49] actually, that wouldnt cause a RST/ACK, so nvm. [09:49] or a completely shaggered switch at the ISP [09:49] what do you think about arch linux ? [09:49] it would cause a RST [09:50] Camarade_Tux: its okay. pacman is okay, [09:50] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:51] hey i lost my spell checking ablity after compile any idea , i ad enabled it during the compilation [09:51] I'm being forced to take over my school's linux association and that would mean installing linux on some computers, I thought about installing arch linux, think it's wise ? [09:51] sory [09:51] my xchat [09:52] Camarade_Tux: i have not experence with arch but ,i feel ubunut woulb be fine .. [09:52] *ubuntu [09:52] Camarade_Tux: whats wrong with slack? [09:52] spook: its school [09:52] I would never install ubuntu [09:52] init[1]: whats wrong with slack? [09:52] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.164.67) joined ##slackware. [09:53] spook:any issues .. they will finish jug of water :) [09:53] init[1]: what? [09:53] no offense meant .i love slackware [09:53] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-130-180.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [09:53] spook: i mean tech support [09:53] spook, would require a bit too much experience/knowledge/work (I knew nearly nothing when I started slackware but didn't fear) [09:53] It's too late. You've already hurt my feelings. I'm at the moment crying. [09:54] not every one can trouble shoot [09:54] Camarade_Tux: how is it going to be used? [09:54] Camarade_Tux: are these like pcs in a lab? [09:54] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [09:54] deffd: is that message to me ? :P [09:54] init[1]: yes, you hurt my feelings too [09:54] init[1], yes. you monster. [09:54] spook: im sorry [09:54] spook, general use, C, maybe other developments things [09:54] init[1]: you dont mean that. [09:55] deffd: im not monster .. i love slackware [09:55] Camarade_Tux: then you can just lock down the machines. [09:55] :( [09:55] spook, the computers at school are ubuntus [09:55] Camarade_Tux: its slackware, so stuff wont break, and you can easily manage it all remotely. [09:55] i didn't mean to hurt anyone here [09:56] spook: deffd did i say anything wrong? [09:56] spook, I wish I could do that but I fear the day they want to install something else (even if it has a slackbuild) [09:56] where the HELL is that FIN, ACK coming from? [09:56] init[1]: yes. [09:56] Camarade_Tux: THEY won't be installing anything. only the admin will. [09:56] Zordrak, see that man, the one in the middle of your network ? =P [09:56] not possible in this network.. but possible inside ISP [09:57] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:57] spook, I can't do that for a dozen of different machines [09:57] Zordrak: give up now, the tech monkeys wont have any idea what you're talking about. [09:57] Camarade_Tux: why not? :) [09:57] heret|c (n=heretic@c-24-30-117-194.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:57] hey i lost xchat spell checking ablity after compile any idea , i ad enabled it during the compilation [09:57] spook: the ISP is tiny and providing a laser connection and is supposed to be working on giving us ipv6 native and a failovor to a second PoP [09:58] init[1]: how did you compile it? [09:58] --enable-spellcheck [09:58] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:58] not slackbuild [09:58] Zordrak: oh, very nice. there may be hope afterall. [09:58] spook, would probably take too much time (I don't have many spare time, plus people would need to bring their laptops each time) [09:58] init[1]: use the slackbuild :) [09:58] ooh recompiling it again [09:59] Camarade_Tux: if these are people's personal machines, then by all means, install something else. [09:59] Action: init[1] have weakness for compiling things . [09:59] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] spook: i doubt it... weve been getting between 2 and 15% packet loss for months.. they dont know why [09:59] init[1]: slackbuilds.org exists for a reason :) [09:59] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [09:59] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "config" [09:59] Zordrak: dusty laser lenses? [09:59] spook: lol i know all these time i compiled my self . for learnig :)) [09:59] no.. the packet loss is worst on our copper backup [10:00] spook, yeah, people's machines, and you mean something else than slackware or than arch ? [10:00] Camarade_Tux: arch might be good, but in all seriousness, ubuntu might just be the easiest option. [10:00] spook: yeepeeee spook is with me .. :) [10:00] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.37.114) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:01] atlast :) [10:01] init[1]: sure by all means do things to learn, but i'd rather have it done right then done half arsed :) [10:01] init[1]: i didnt say it was the best option, i said it was the easiest option. [10:01] spook: i mean the ubuntu thing [10:01] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:01] ooh [10:01] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] spook, 1- I don't like ubuntu, 2- I can't help anybody using ubuntu (last time I managed to, I actually completely wiped out the configuration some tool had wrote) [10:02] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:02] and when I say "I don't like ubuntu", I mean that I get ill whenever I get close to an ubuntu [10:02] Camarade_Tux: i dont like it either. [10:03] I have a really allergic reaction to ubuntu, my immune system is trying to protect me ;) [10:03] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: [10:03] Camarade_Tux: i'm much the same. i have the compulsion to write down their partition config, then hold their partition information to ransom until they agree to install a proper distro. [10:03] but I'll maybe make something like possibility 1-slackware, 2-arch, 3-..., infinity-ubuntu [10:03] i too don't like ubuntu . [10:03] but problem is [10:04] spook, hahaha [10:04] init[1]: shut up. [10:04] endusers love userfriendly ness [10:04] but the bad part is that we'll have OS courses next year at school, on ubuntu machines... that's a contradiction to me [10:04] end-users actually prefer stability [10:04] Can anyone tell me if a FIN/ACK can be caused by ANYTHING other than receipt of a FIN? [10:04] and working hardware/software [10:05] spook: i mean it :) [10:05] init[1]: i do too, shut up. :) [10:05] spook: i just gave a option to Camarade_Tux :( [10:05] *an [10:05] spook: :( [10:06] I think finding the best distro for each one who wants a linux might be the best compromise/solution [10:06] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:06] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:06] Camarade_Tux: i can give you some slides i made about different distros [10:07] kerberuz (n=acollin@201.21.217.148) joined ##slackware. [10:07] spook: can you share it :) [10:07] I'll have to write a quickstart/guide/faq/emergency guide anyway, I'll just tailor one for each distros [10:07] Zordrak: i think so... [10:07] spook: btw im not Zordrak :) [10:07] Camarade_Tux: what i did was give a talk about the different distros, in a fairly unbiased way. [10:07] and opensuse was a pretty nice distro, quite heavy but user-friendly and not completely annoying [10:08] init[1]: ... [10:08] spook, yeah, could be nice :) [10:08] ok ok .. i will shut my mouth [10:08] Action: Camarade_Tux will have to buy some slackware propaganda for next year too ;p [10:08] Zordrak: checksum collision + garbled message? [10:09] tooly (n=theo@e178163226.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:09] strip /me/* && mv /me /bathroom/shower [10:09] just dont make sense [10:09] <- HTTP found, -> ACK, <- FIN,ACK, -> ACK, -> FIN,ACK, <- ACK [10:10] whoops [10:10] thats the good one [10:11] Camarade_Tux: want the slides? [10:11] spook, yeah, thanks :) [10:11] pm me your email [10:11] or just dcc me them ? [10:12] i dont dcc. [10:12] spook: do you mind sharing it with me too [10:12] :) [10:12] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "config config" [10:12] spook, why btw ? [10:13] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [10:13] hi guys!! [10:13] Lexus1: hi [10:13] it means scping the file to another machine then remembering how to dcc [10:14] spook, hahaha ;p [10:14] scubacuda (n=rog@rrcs-96-10-100-50.se.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:14] init[1]: throw me your email in pm [10:17] spook, could you please send them to me too? i will need some materials like that for lectures in autumn. [10:18] anyone who wants my slides, send me a pm in the next 5 minutes. [10:18] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [10:18] with your email. [10:18] Greetings everyone. :) [10:18] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:19] hi firebird619:) [10:19] Hi hitest, how are you? [10:19] I am well, ty:) you? [10:19] doing great, thank you. :) [10:20] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.37) joined ##slackware. [10:21] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:22] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) joined ##slackware. [10:24] print "Morning ##slackware!\n"; [10:24] hey vastina [10:24] sent. [10:24] Action: vastina wonders if larry wall enjoys camel toe [10:24] '-bash: print: command not found' =/ [10:24] :D [10:25] vastina, I actually code in ocaml :) [10:25] spook, thanks :) [10:25] spook: check PM [10:25] Camarade_Tux: nice :) [10:25] that statement looks like something from python crossed with something from c/c++ [10:25] tooly (n=theo@e178163226.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [10:25] steelwolf180 (n=max@bb116-15-24-87.singnet.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [10:26] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:27] a friend just phoned, we should have been at school this morning for our CS project but haven't been because we've finished the project (about three weeks early) and now one guy is nearly insulting us [10:27] Hi Camarade_Tux, how are you? [10:27] Hey vastina, how's it going? [10:27] Camarade_Tux: Uhh insulting you.. why? [10:27] Shuren (n=Devilman@host80-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:28] spook, thank you very much. [10:28] firebird619: hi [10:28] hi [10:28] slava_dp: np [10:29] Hey spook [10:29] Hi slava_dp [10:29] hey firebird619, nearly fine, and you ? [10:29] hey firebird619! [10:29] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks. nearly fine? :P [10:29] Dominian, we sent a mail telling we had finished the project and apparently he didn't read it [10:29] Camarade_Tux: like |---| <--this close to fine, or |---------------| <--this close? :P [10:29] Camarade_Tux: hahaha [10:30] firebird619, just because I'm going to be annoyed by and asshole :) [10:30] Camarade_Tux: Well that's hist fault.. tell him to piss off [10:30] firebird619: i'm doing fantastic, just looking up some flashlights by surefire [10:30] Camarade_Tux: Ah, I see. [10:30] firebird619, more like |---------| :p [10:30] haha [10:30] Dominian, except he'll give us a mark in two weeks [10:30] polatov (n=polatov@88.204.253.112) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:30] Hey Dominian [10:30] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:31] but I have an even better way to tell him to piss off : if he wants to run that app on windows, it's going to be a lot of fun for him [10:31] he'd need qt4, opencv, and something to read videos from hard disk (on linux opencv relies on gstreamer/ffmpeg for that task) [10:32] so it's going to be "I can compile pretty much anything to windows, but he, you didn't originally ask us to !" [10:32] haha, he's screwed [10:32] lol [10:33] Camarade_Tux: Give you a mark? [10:33] Camarade_Tux: Is this the professor or another student? [10:33] Dominian, not really a teacher but somebody who gave the subject [10:34] ah [10:34] and he's pissed cause you're already finished? [10:34] wtf [10:34] that's stupid [10:35] steelwolf180 (n=max@bb116-15-24-87.singnet.com.sg) left ##slackware. [10:35] Dominian: are you a teacher ? [10:35] I don't really know why, it seemed he just got pissed [10:35] init[1]: Nope. [10:35] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:35] but I've dealt with my fair share of asshole professors in my time. [10:36] Dominian: lol . . [10:36] and he's actually somebody from outside the school and he'd probably like us to finish early (afaiu, he wants to use the app) [10:36] hah [10:36] Dominian: Are you still wanting those Nigerian emails? [10:38] lee555J5: nah.. I have a slew of them.. and quite busy lately [10:38] I still havent' received responses back from a few I sent... [10:38] however, I don't expect reponses.. cause I sent my responses in binary [10:38] Plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [10:38] <|alisonken1churc> Dominian: was it "1 0 1 1 0 1" binary or "YES NO YES YES NO YES" binary? [10:39] actually, on windows, directshow/directx may be enough to get video playback in opencv, but I still wish him good luck to get it working by himself [10:39] Dominian: getting revenge on scammers eh? [10:39] and on windows, the ubuntu packages don't support video playback either :) [10:39] |alisonken1churc: no.. it was a full Text to Binary conversion.. an entire email in Binary :) [10:39] <|alisonken1churc> cool [10:39] Mashandar: yeah.. it has its ups and downs.. I waste their time more than anything [10:40] Dominian: ha, neat [10:40] Mashandar: 419eater.com [10:40] Join up [10:40] read the forums.. you too can have some fun/revenge ;) [10:40] hah, I don't get any scammer emails...yet [10:41] |alisonken1churc: Do you also have a nick for you at the pool, beach, park, DMV, car, doctor, etc. :p [10:41] Mashandar: Dude.. no worries [10:41] collin (n=acollin@ns2.emel.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Mashandar: Ther'es a forum on that site that people submit their surplus letters to :) [10:41] Mashandar: So there are TONS of them you can grab and have fun with [10:42] kerberuz (n=acollin@201.21.217.148) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:42] <|alisonken1churc> lee555J5: nah - just home, laptop, church, noc, etc. :) [10:42] hk0i (n=hk0i@64.20.189.235) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Nick change: hk0i -> grekkos [10:43] Dominian: hah, sounds neat [10:43] <|alisonken1churc> don't go to the beach, yard's too small for a pool, can't afford the airtime minutes in the car, and the doc doesn't do irc [10:43] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-144-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:45] Knoxville (n=Knoxvill@70-90-77-201-BusName-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] when using apache how do I not show the files in a web directory unless it is an exact match a file within that web directory? [10:46] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434302.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:46] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] turn off dir listing? [10:47] I didn't know there was such a thing [10:48] which file do you edit? [10:48] htaccess? [10:48] you can use a .htaccess [10:48] or do it globally in httpd.conf [10:48] sweet, thanks man! [10:49] thanks again, got it working!!! [10:49] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-c2139be24301c86f) left irc: "Leaving" [10:49] how do i change default sound device? [10:51] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [10:51] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:51] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [10:52] How can I tell when the last time updatedb was ran? [10:55] Hey lf4, how's it going? [10:56] It's going well just getting ready for bed. :) [10:56] How are things that side? [10:56] bojevnik: you can select that in the mixer [10:56] lf4: you could check the date/time stamp on the slocate database. [10:56] init[1], you mean alsamixer? [10:56] lf4: going great, thanks. :) [10:57] aslamixer -c [10:57] Select the soundcard to use, if you have more than one. Cards [10:57] are numbered from 0 (the default). [10:57] alsa [10:57] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [10:57] bojevnik: yes [10:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:58] i do need tro restart xorg after it right? [10:58] hey what are these xchat patches meant for http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/xap/xchat/patches/ [10:59] ill just try:) [10:59] i can't figure it out [10:59] bojevnik: i dont think so [10:59] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] oops [11:00] This monitor would be nice, expensive, but nice: http://gizmodo.com/5277667/stunning-nec-crv43-43+inch-curved-monitor-is-stunningly-expensive [11:00] BP{k}: Where is the database located? [11:00] lf4: /var/lib/slocate/ [11:00] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Haha firebird619 my co-worker just showed me that lastnight [11:01] thanks BP{k} :) [11:01] firebird619: I'll have three, thanks. :) [11:01] init[1], it didnt do the trick [11:01] slocate slocate.db [11:01] and alsaconf still gives me the wrong card [11:01] did you do alsactl store [11:01] BP{k}: haha, you're order has been placed, I'll await payment. :P [11:02] pthreat (n=ctd@host44.190-225-134.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:02] bojevnik: alsactl store [11:02] ok i have current installed, i'd like to give opera a try, but i have no qt3 installed, should i install qt3 from 12.2 ? [11:02] init[1]: no, so i need to do alsamixer -c 1 && alsactl store? [11:02] pthreat: .... no. [11:03] compile qt3 with a different prefix ? [11:03] bojevnik: no . [11:03] set your setting with -c option [11:03] pthreat: Since you are running -current, you surely have realised that there are kde3 compatibility packages? [11:03] alsamixer will [11:03] BP{k}: er no [11:03] i mean change is setting after you selet the card with -c [11:03] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.111) left irc: K-lined [11:03] pthreat: Guess you fail, then. :) [11:03] then do alsactl store [11:04] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) left irc: "Leaving" [11:04] BP{k}: :p [11:04] firebird619, hmmm, I've decided it was my birthday today, would you buy me that screen ? =D [11:04] What would be the installing proceduring of a source package that has 3 .c files and one Makefile :( [11:04] BP{k}: well I have everything that ships with current installed afaik [11:05] pthreat: kde3-compat are part of extra/ [11:05] Camarade_Tux: haha, if I wouldn't have had to buy 3 for BP{k}, I would yes. :P [11:05] init[1]: i dont think im following you [11:05] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [11:06] i did alsamixer -c 1 [11:06] alsamixer -c [11:06] firebird619: well I shall be benevolent today, knock one off and send it to Camarade_Tux. ;-) [11:06] change the mixer settigs withing alsamixer [11:06] then do [11:06] alsactl store [11:06] I'm sorry, was my question stupid? :x [11:06] BP{k}, thanks :) [11:06] opera also has qt4 builds, at least for the new snapshots, etc. but I think 9.64 has qt4 builds as well. [11:06] BP{k}: ok, will do. [11:07] actually, with 5, we could make a round screen :D [11:07] Camarade_Tux: that'd be sweet. [11:07] Camarade_Tux: Imagine duke3d on that. :D [11:07] init[1]: i did that, master is at 100/100 [11:07] deffd: please to be opening your nearest dictionairy and look up the word patience. :) There is only, what, 2/3 minutes since your initial question? [11:07] bojevnik: read man alsactl [11:07] you can figure it out [11:08] ok now bojevnik do alsactl store [11:08] firebird619, hahaha, and the screen resolution : 19200x1200 ;p [11:08] deffd: There is a good change that the Makefile deals with all 3 .c files. [11:08] s/change/chance/ [11:08] Camarade_Tux: haha, yeah. [11:08] Action: Camarade_Tux afk :) [11:08] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] deffd: 1) Have you checked the Makefile 2) Documentation 3) Trial_and_error. [11:09] scubacuda (n=rog@rrcs-96-10-100-50.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:09] BP{k}: ah ok [11:09] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:10] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:10] BP{k}, yes, I first tried chmod Makefile +x; ./Makefile. That was problematic, then tried make; make install, that was also problematic. It doesn't compile (gcc gives funny errors) [11:10] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] BP{k}, http://mcfock.minihp.de/ is the app (Rudolf 2.0) [11:10] I'm using apache and have indexes turned off, but whenever I add a new file the link says that the file is not there anyone know why [11:11] deffd: the Makefile is not a program, it doesn't need to be executable [11:11] deffd: can you post the output of make. [11:11] bojevnik: is it working now [11:11] deffd: just read it to see what targets are set up [11:11] deffd: ^^ In a pastebin [11:12] init[1]: no [11:12] :( [11:12] read the man bojevnik you can figure it out .. [11:13] BP{k}, http://pastebin.com/m2aa6e111 [11:13] you can set the permanent card [11:13] if you have two [11:13] init[1]: i did, besides store i also tried alsactl restore 1 [11:13] deffd: what do you think that line #3 actually means [also read the site] [11:13] Karvur (n=dmitry@161.154.18.217.etth.tomsknet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:13] bojevnik: how did you understand the its not working [11:14] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@85.84.197.207) left irc: "¡Pero si no venia en el manual! (El que pulsó el botón)." [11:14] bojevnik: i suggest that its better if you disable it in bios [11:14] hmm [11:14] my unicode still isn't working with screen [11:14] BP{k}, I suppose, that since it's trying to executing something that doesn't exist - I'm missing a dependancy package or something? [11:14] oh wait [11:14] i cant [11:14] bojevnik: why so [11:15] init[1]: its because i hase graphic card asus ah3650 [11:15] does irssi use utf-8 or utf-16? [11:15] deffd: like the site says: "displays various information about an MPD server via libxosd.", the fact that make looks for xosd-config .. means, yes, you are missing a dependency [11:15] init[1]: and for some reason [11:15] BP{k}, got it, thank you very much. :) [11:15] Karvur (n=dmitry@161.154.18.217.etth.tomsknet.ru) left ##slackware. [11:15] init[1]: all systems(not just slackware), make it primary card [11:16] deffd: xosd is on SBo, for your convenience. ;) [11:16] init[1]: i also tried what is saysx in slackwiki [11:16] BP{k}, yep, I just checked myself as well. [11:16] init[1]: but /etc/hotplug/blacklist doesnt seem to work [11:17] grekkos: I think it uses utf-8 [11:17] bojevnik im not familiar with that card , does it have built in snd card [11:18] init[1]: im not sure..., might have, but i doesnt have any holes for normal jacks [11:18] bojevnik: then how is that it is conflicting with your sound card [11:19] hmm [11:19] init[1]: dont know, let me go check specs [11:20] bojevnik: [11:20] see what is exact problem your facing [11:20] you said you have two snd cards [11:20] next asus ah3650 grafix card [11:21] can someone paste some UTF-8 stuff... I know i have japanese fonts on here I just want to see if it's working now [11:22] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.120) joined ##slackware. [11:22] grekkos: ³ßåËÆ£ün [11:22] can you see that [11:23] grekkos, :>IB>, H-'* [11:23] no :( [11:23] ¥ · £ · ¬ · $ · ¢ · ¡ · ¢ · £ · ¤ · ¥ · ¦ · § · ¨ · © · ª · « · ­ · ® · ¯ [11:23] deffd: is nls related to utf ? [11:23] init[1], I'm sorry, nls? [11:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [11:23] native language support form kernel [11:23] screen seems to be working with UTF when I cat a utf8 japanese text file, but not working in irssi for some reason [11:23] init[1], sorry, I wouldn't know [11:24] grekkos: have you set irssi to use utf8? [11:24] BP{k}: is nls realted to utf ? [11:24] I need to do that [11:24] BP{k}: I thought UTF8 was the default for irssi? [11:24] grekkos, nope [11:24] does it use latin-1 or utf16? [11:24] init[1]: hmm, its apears, at least i think so [11:24] init[1]: that the problem is HDMI [11:25] ohhh [11:25] http://jerakeen.org/blog/2005/06/screen-irssi-utf8/ :) first google result for "irssi using utf8" [11:25] how is your gfx card related to your snd card [11:26] BP{k}: repaste those chars please [11:26] Action: Dominian just set screen and irssi to use UTF-8 [11:26] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.8.135) joined ##slackware. [11:26] thrice_ (n=thrice@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] ¥ · £ · ¬ · $ · ¢ · ¡ · ¢ · £ · ¤ · ¥ · ¦ · § · ¨ · © · ª · « · ­ · ® · ¯ [11:26] bah [11:26] locale is screwed me things [11:26] god i hate putty [11:26] thinks [11:27] yep. [11:27] init[1]: i wish i knew, but i had same problem on windows and opensuse, but i managed to fix it htere [11:27] locale is set incorrectly [11:27] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.8.135) left irc: Client Quit [11:27] grekkos: you did set your $LANG and resourced/relogged? [11:27] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: "leaving" [11:27] Nick change: thrice_ -> thrice` [11:27] BP{k}: let me try that, I'll have to restart irssi after that I think [11:27] brb [11:27] grekkos (n=hk0i@64.20.189.235) left irc: "utf8ing" [11:28] bojevnik: well im helpless here sorry :( [11:28] Samy1 (n=Kimmy@92.84.8.135) joined ##slackware. [11:28] BP{k}: one more time [11:28] init[1]: np, thanks for help anyway [11:28] ¡ · ¢ · £ · ¤ · ¥ · ¦ · § · ¨ · © · ª · « · ­ · ® · ¯ [11:28] grr [11:28] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: "leaving" [11:28] Dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [11:29] BP{k}: hey is that nls thing in kernel related to utf ? [11:29] BP{k}: try again please... [11:29] argh nevermind [11:29] I['ll have to work on resetting my locale [11:29] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [11:29] hk0i (n=hk0i@64.20.189.235) joined ##slackware. [11:29] hmm [11:30] it said term_type is an unknown setting for irssi [11:30] Nick change: hk0i -> grekkos [11:30] BP{k}: try it again anyway [11:30] grekkos: do realise that that blog post is from 2005! [11:30] Samy1 (n=Kimmy@92.84.8.135) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:30] I set the LANG env viarble [11:30] ¡ · ¢ · £ · ¤ · ¥ · ¦ · § · ¨ · © · ª · « · ­ · ® · ¯ [11:30] ooh [11:30] this is improvement [11:30] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.8.135) joined ##slackware. [11:30] thouh I don't recognize any of those characters [11:31] and the last two keep trailing down at the end of every lien [11:31] heh [11:31] is there an irssi command to clear the chat buffer? [11:31] nevermind :) [11:31] they're stuck there in the middle still... [11:31] duh. [11:31] if I highlight them with the mouse they disappear [11:32] grekkos: ³ßåËÆ£ün [11:32] grekkos: not term_type, use term_charset [11:33] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.138) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:33] init[1]: doumo! [11:33] Dominian (n=dominian@col-dsl-dynamic-254-105-124-65.tls.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] hey guys, i have an ext HD that is no longer recognized in windows. i put it in a new enclosure so i can recover the files but i don't know how to view what device name it's given in slackware [11:33] 'dmesg' doesn't show the usual (/dev/sdb) [11:34] and what's the problem with /dev/sdb ? [11:34] thanks lee555J5 [11:34] grekkos: did you mean do u nind [11:34] what's doumo! [11:34] grekkos: ³ßåËÆ£ün [11:35] it means thank you in japanese [11:35] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:35] if i mount /dev/sdb it says it does not exist [11:35] grekkos: so utf worked ? [11:35] yes [11:35] you can't mount /dev/sdb, you need to mount /dev/sdbX, with X being 1, 2, 3, ... [11:35] usually when i plug things in to a usb port, they pop up as /dev/sdb [11:35] yepee. [11:35] that's what i thought.. but it didn't work either [11:35] I can almost read it but not quite hehe [11:36] mount /dev/sdb would be mounting the whole disk but that's probably not what you're looking for [11:36] usually if i plug something into usb and do 'dmesg' it will say something like /dev/sdb1 or whatever was connected [11:36] HoldMyPocket, run 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' [11:36] pthreat (n=ctd@host44.190-225-134.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "leaving" [11:36] Camarade_Tux: that didn't produce anything =\ [11:36] is this hard drive completely hosed? [11:36] fdisk -l by itself show any new disks? [11:37] HoldMyPocket: ls /dev/sd* [11:37] HoldMyPocket, does /dev/sdb actually exist ? [11:37] spaceplod: nope [11:37] Camarade_Tux: lol [11:37] init[1], die ;) [11:37] it's plugged into the usb port where i usually plug in flash drives etc which normally pop up as /dev/sdb1 [11:37] and when did the disk stopped working ? physical shock ? [11:37] Anyone proficient in java around here? [11:37] HoldMyPocket: pls ck it ls shows somthing [11:38] FYI, noobfarm.org is down for a bit of "upgrade" maintenance that the host provider is doing to the server. [11:38] *check [11:38] ETA: Unknown at this time [11:38] no physical shock, don't know the circumstances in which it actually stopped working as it's for a friend [11:38] Dominian, nooooooooooo ! ='( [11:38] Dominian: NOOOOOOOOOOOO [11:38] :P [11:38] i have a hard drive of my own that has done the same [11:38] :D [11:38] Just imagine how much "crack" you will need when noobfarm comes back up :P [11:38] ^me_^ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] smoke break [11:38] HoldMyPocket, really, run 'ls /dev/sd*' as init[1] suggested [11:39] BP{k}: sory if im not naggging i asked used somthing about nls [11:39] Dominian, there is a problem with noobfarm, it doesn't load =/ [11:40] Camarade_Tux: that shows /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 [11:40] feels like your not a member of uplug [11:40] plugdev [11:40] sory [11:42] init[1]: good, now get out :P [11:42] spook: i didn't understand you [11:43] spook: :) can you explain that ;) [11:43] shrug. [11:43] :P [11:45] ^me_^ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "me_em" [11:45] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.147.244) joined ##slackware. [11:46] ^me_^ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:47] HoldMyPocket, pastebin the output of dmesg [11:47] Camarade_Tux: which pocket :P [11:47] <^me_^> hey, is there an opposite to startx? something like stopx to quit the gui? [11:47] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-127-100.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:47] veritos (i=80d031e4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b90051f99dbd8d61) joined ##slackware. [11:47] init[1], the left one has the credit card :) [11:47] init[1]: sorry, I don't know. Besides, I am not under obligation to answer. :P [11:47] lol [11:48] ^me_^: alt+cntrl+bkspce [11:48] Camarade_Tux: does the right one have the cash? [11:48] When I remove a package, the symlinks made by doinst.sh stay put? [11:48] ^me_^: I usually just go for "killall xinit" .. [11:48] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:48] firebird619, nope, that's the left back one :) [11:48] Camarade_Tux: haha [11:48] :) [11:48] <^me_^> thanks [11:49] BP{k}: thank you,atleast you responded that is more than enough :P :) [11:49] ^me_^, but remember that will **kill** X, it will die immediately [11:49] <^me_^> but that's fine right? [11:49] Dominian, noobfarm still isn't loading ! ='( [11:49] Action: Camarade_Tux will drive Dominian mad :P [11:50] Camarade_Tux: when I plug it in and take it out, nothing is shown. [11:50] HoldMyPocket, can you hear the drive spin up ? [11:51] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CDBA5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Camarade_Tux: yes it spins up and the LED on the enclosure lights up, i've tried two different enclosures and a quick plug [11:51] Camarade_Tux: what abt /dev/sd? [11:51] init[1], he said it only had sda* [11:51] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CDBA5.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Verlassend"). [11:51] HoldMyPocket, and dmesg doesn't show anythin ? [11:51] *anything [11:51] When I remove a package, the symlinks made by doinst.sh stay put? [11:52] Camarade_Tux: what about mounting it as root mount /dev/sda1 /media/disk [11:52] init[1], my guess was that sda was the computer disk, not the external one [11:53] Camarade_Tux: dmesg shows nothing.. it has to be hardware related. both hard drives are seagates that came in external enclosures too =\ [11:53] Camarade_Tux: if it so it will say already mounted right [11:53] Camarade_Tux: ask HoldMyPocket pocket to mount it as root [11:54] init[1]: sda is the computer disk, sda1 is also my swap file [11:54] and yeah i've been doing this all as root with no luck [11:54] HoldMyPocket: pastebin mount [11:54] can you [11:54] Hermaniette (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:55] k [11:55] HoldMyPocket, I think you should really ask your friend what happened when the disk died [11:55] here's something interesting though.. the other harddrive says 'can't read superblock' when i tyr to mount [11:55] yes Camarade_Tux your right [11:55] Camarade_Tux: in regards to my friend's hard drive he says he only disconnected it from one computer and connected it to another [11:56] HoldMyPocket, did he properly unmounted/ejected it ? or did he only unplugged it ? [11:56] Camarade_Tux: he says it was windows and he just unplugged it [11:57] with his hard drive, I can't even get it to say 'can't read superblock' [11:57] disks don't like sudden unplugs [11:57] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] yeah, unfortunately most people don't understand that [11:58] if the disk didn't park the heads, any shock would have damaged it [11:58] veritos (i=80d031e4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b90051f99dbd8d61) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [11:58] irrepairable unless done by a specialist? [11:58] and you can even kill an usb stick if you just unplug it, without umounting it [11:58] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:59] HoldMyPocket, hard to say [11:59] have you tried to plug it in your computer ? (with sata/ata...) [12:00] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [12:01] ^^ sadly enough. [12:01] hehehe [12:02] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:02] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [12:02] Camarade_Tux: that's my failsafe approach...eliminate any USB, plugdev, permission, group issues. go straight to the disk as root. If that doesn't work, sledgehammer (with safety glasses, of course). :) [12:03] Camrade_Tux: yeah i've put it into a couple of computers directly with no luck [12:03] kee555j5: I'm thinking i'll use the plasma cutter [12:04] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-75-131.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:05] HoldMyPocket, did you try on a computer with linux ? I had a drive which died* and when I tried to boot linux with the disk plugged, the kernel really did its best to use it, it was more verbose [12:05] Camarade_Tux: yeah done that too, it just seems to be totally hosed in a physical way [12:06] * actually that drive came from a friend's macbook, the whole series of disk was known by apple to 'fail without *any* reason', and my friend didn't know [12:06] one day the computer booted, the hard disk made a bad sound, the disk had died [12:06] allend (n=allend@121.214.105.164) joined ##slackware. [12:06] now, I kill anyone who tells me apple hardware is better/faster/more reliable :) [12:06] HoldMyPocket, yeah, seems so [12:06] Camarade_Tux: i'm now convinced that Seagate external hard drives are crap [12:07] haha [12:07] all drives are crap, or all drive brands are crap, I'm not sure [12:07] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:08] hexoroid (n=box@unaffiliated/hexoroid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:08] Camarade_Tux: it'll be a while [12:08] Dominian, nooooo ! Dominian, noooooo ! Dominian, noooooooooooooooooooooo ! ='( [12:08] sorry, I just feel like annoying you :) [12:09] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8083479.stm [12:09] nheco (n=nheco@201-14-223-199.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:09] HoldMyPocket: Any interest in trying a freezer? [12:10] oh yeah, hard disks usually enjoy freezing [12:10] SpacePlod: I tried that as well [12:10] lol [12:10] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [12:10] BP{k}: on the radio they said that he was found with ropes aroun dhis neck and body [12:11] ...then it's back to the plasma cutter... [12:11] yep [12:11] HoldMyPocket: that's what the article said as well. [12:11] "the files are INSIDE the computer?" [12:11] BP{k}: sorry didn't read that one, just the cnn one that didn't say it [12:12] Camarade_Tux: Well if its going to be more than a day.. I'll make some changes to get it back up temporarily [12:14] DareDevil0 (n=linux@201.201.187.14) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Hi everybody [12:15] I have problems whe I start Gnome Slackbuild [12:15] I can used the gnome Window_applet [12:15] Gnome_window_MenuApplet [12:15] DareDevil0: perhaps #gsb is a better place to ask your question than here. [12:15] Is failing when I try to start it [12:16] BP{k}, thanks a lot body [12:16] Dominian, no problem, I think we can we live with that ;) [12:16] BP{k}, no body answers me there cause I have to bee registered [12:17] but what we can't live anymore without are channel's stats ! [12:17] s/'s// [12:17] So I will ask here [12:17] And besides there aren't many peoples there [12:17] Any help with gsb? 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[12:33] I want to simulate the networking env for test purposes I mean i want to write programs which would see that they are using diffrent ip addresses ... is there any obvious way of doing it under linux ? [12:34] having issues trying to mount my iriver h10, how can I find a list of devices to mount? it's not coming up in lsudb and fdisk -l gives me an error on /dev/hda (probably not good) [12:34] paul424: http://snad.ncsl.nist.gov/nistnet/ but your not talking to the right channel [12:35] grekkos: look in dmesg [12:35] init[1]: ok thanks :) [12:37] NaCl: I get this sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk [12:37] usb-storage: device scan complete [12:37] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.41.176) joined ##slackware. [12:38] No mention of sda1/2/3 in there? [12:38] how many characters must have an account password if I'm gonna to have sshd running and I will have enabled password authentication through it [12:39] NaCl: none [12:39] NaCl: usb-storage: device found at 4 [12:39] dissociative: must? none.. [12:39] pundito (n=krsna@194.24.138.2) joined ##slackware. [12:40] I must [12:40] Nick change: judequinn -> usus12jari [12:40] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:40] 8 characters with atleast one cap, number, and/or special character [12:41] I try to set up key authentication but it doesnt seems to work and I dont have much time now... [12:41] ^me_^ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "me_em" [12:41] You're dying? :/ [12:41] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [12:41] grekkos: you may need to use something like amarok to get at it, I am not sure if you can mount it... [12:41] It keeps asking for the key passphrase even If I know that I entered the passphrase correctly [12:42] NaCl: I connected it in USB mode, so it should act like a normal USB device [12:42] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [12:42] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:42] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [12:42] grekkos: hm. I don't know what the problem could be offhand... [12:43] slack doesn't come packed with a djvu viewier, no? [12:43] largo3_ (n=largo@platinum.edu.pl) left ##slackware. [12:44] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. 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[13:08] grekkos: I've been mounting certain media players as root using: mount -o async /dev/sdb /mnt/flash [13:08] Mashandar (n=ben@CPE-121-219-229-205.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] grekkos: I don't know why they won't mount as normal usb storage, but this seems to work [13:11] fallertsen (n=lupin@host164-33-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:12] interesting. [13:12] Is grekkos in the plugdev group? [13:13] jumperboy: async is the default mount option, you might want to use -o sync in case you unplug w/o flushing various buffers. [13:14] eviljames: I'm overriding the entry in my fstab for thumb drives [13:14] hey all, I'm building the Qt4 slackbuild and I keep getting an error message about Dbus missing some lib: http://pastebin.com/d208172b1 [13:14] eviljames: but i'll give sync a try next time [13:14] just wanting to try and hunt down what it's missing - I've got the dbus packages installed, but I've got wind that it could be a kde lib that's missing, anyone know if that's hogwash or not? [13:15] etf (n=eu@189.73.212.140) left irc: [13:15] Action: jumperboy walkin' the dogs [13:16] theblackbox: Is it possible you have a stale file sitting around that it is finding and shouldn't be? [13:16] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "parlou" [13:16] could you elaborate - the box is as fresh as virgin snow [13:16] oh, nevermind then. [13:17] I'm on the wrong path.. [13:17] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [13:17] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [13:17] Which dbus/dbus.h is it not finding? /usr/include/dbus/dbus.h or...? [13:18] That is, "dbus/dbus.h" or [13:19] on my box dbus is located here "/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h" [13:19] s/dbus/dbus.h/ [13:19] eviljames, the only one it could find is /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h [13:19] # [13:19] dbus.cpp:2:23: error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory [13:19] Line 3 of your pastebin. [13:23] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.93.212) joined ##slackware. [13:23] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [13:25] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:25] hmm... I wonder if the dbus.cpp is linking to the wrong version of dbus? [13:28] missing includes don't have anything to do with the linker [13:28] (morning people) [13:28] jumperboy: how do you get the name of the device though? [13:29] Urchlay: got to it before I did.. [13:29] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:29] try adding -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/ to the CFLAGS [13:29] Urchlay, yeah I was kinda grasping at straws =S [13:29] I was going to suggest an even uglier hack [13:29] ln -sv /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus /usr/include/dbus [13:29] Then delete it after the build is done [13:29] heh, yeah [13:30] but... is possible there's a configure script, to which you can pass a --with-dbus-includes= or such [13:30] yeah the ln was all I had left despite a -nodbus cflag [13:30] Urchlay, doesn't seem to accept args [13:31] QT4 is under the cmake system, right? [13:31] I think so, but no confidence in that [13:31] grekkos: it shows up in lsusb [13:31] Does the SlackBuild say "cmake..." ? [13:32] instead of make \ make install? [13:32] I think instead of configure [13:32] no, in neither case [13:33] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:33] RJz0r_ (n=taterz@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:33] ehmm. You using this slackbuild? http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/libraries/qt4/qt4.SlackBuild [13:33] jumperboy: the problem I'm having is it's not coming up in lsusb or fdisk -l [13:34] Urchlay, yes [13:34] it's got a -I/usr/include/mysql argument already, you should be able to add the -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 too [13:34] grekkos: try sfdisk -l [13:34] Urchlay, yeah I'm trying that now [13:34] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [13:35] grekkos: that will show you the device (but it may show weird partition info) [13:35] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:35] jumperboy: this is only showing me my partitions on hda [13:35] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.186.38.138) joined ##slackware. [13:36] grekkos: my meizu m6 has to be powered on to work [13:36] grekkos: when i plug it in [13:36] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] simbiozz (n=simbiozz@190.96.35.36) joined ##slackware. [13:36] jumperboy: I have to power mine on into "emergency connect" mode for it to work on other platforms (windows/macx) [13:36] jumperboy: so that's what i have set to right now. the screen displays "usb connected" but then it still has to be mounted [13:37] grekkos: and you're still not seeing anything in linux? is there a usb mode toggle on the device? [13:38] grekkos: I admit some of the guesswork was eliminated for me because i already used the same usb port for thumb drives, so I know which device it is [13:38] jumperboy: It's more of a "hidden" feature, to use it i have to remove the battery from the device (to actually power it off completely) and restart holding down the "o" button [13:38] jumperboy: I get some messages i dmesg when I connect it, so something is happening [13:38] grekkos: ouch. i wish these guys understood the "universal" part of USB [13:39] grekkos: are you in plugdev [13:39] jumperboy: the device is actually designed for windows media player :) after I get the files on the device I have to reconstruct the song database using an open source program [13:39] ali__ (n=ali@89.180.13.15) joined ##slackware. [13:39] hmm... it didn't like that =( [13:39] eviljames: what is plugdev? [13:39] eviljames: good point, i'm in plugdev [13:39] grekkos: type this command: groups [13:40] see if it contains plugdev [13:40] oh [13:40] I am in plugdev [13:40] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@vpn.cusonet.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:40] I was attempting the mount as root anyway [13:40] grekkos: yes, actually i mount as root, which isn't in plugdev (but it shouldn't need to be) [13:41] grekkos: i can't mount these players as an ordinary user, even when in plugdev [13:41] jumperboy: when I sudo groups it comes up as plugdev anyway [13:41] grekkos: did you run sfdisk -l as root? [13:41] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] jumperboy: I believe so, let me try again [13:42] jumperboy: yes, I don't think it works without superuser privs anyway [13:42] grekkos: it works, but it's only in root's path [13:43] jumperboy: Mine returns no output at all as user [13:43] and I believe I've added sbin to my path anyway [13:45] theblackbox: that build says, Maintained by: ppr:kut <--- pprkut is in this very IRC channel [13:45] grekkos: i'm out of ideas, i'm afraid you'll have to google it some more [13:45] possibly sleeping/afk/whatever though [13:46] grekkos: only thing else i can think of is to plug in a thumb drive to confirm the device name, but it should have shown up in sfdisk -l to work [13:46] grekkos: or, as someone else suggested, try amarok [13:46] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.235) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] jumperboy: would amarok mount it though? [13:47] grekkos: amarok understands this new protocol for players, i'm not sure if mounting is even required [13:47] Urchlay, I normally like to persevere and die a death of a thousand dogs before annoying the devs [13:48] simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.73.64) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:48] theblackbox: fair enough. [13:48] Nick change: topgun21 -> gun21 [13:48] you're only up to a couple hundred dogs so far, it looks like :) [13:48] jumperboy: just says no device available (amarok) [13:48] grekkos: What kind of device is it? [13:48] grekkos: MTP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol [13:48] eviljames: iRiver H10 [13:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:49] grekkos: you might have to toggle a setting to use it [13:49] grekkos: and it shows up as mass storage device? [13:49] grekkos: and you're in kde3 or kde4 ? [13:49] kde3 [13:49] 3.5 [13:49] k, and we confirmed you are in plugdev group, so that should be fine... [13:49] Nick change: gun21 -> topgun21 [13:50] jumperboy: I switched it into USB mode right now [13:50] i'll try it again with MTP [13:50] Anyone in here proficient in java? [13:51] jplcrd: Define "proficient" :D [13:51] jplcrd: I've used it before but not recently, you can also try #java [13:51] Also, is this a homework question? [13:51] haha [13:52] good call eviljames [13:52] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [13:52] java thinks all linux is redhat. grrr..... [13:52] what makes you say that? [13:52] made daylight saving time hell for me this year [13:53] Nick change: hd -> HellDragon [13:53] it looks for redhatisms to set the timezone. stupid. [13:53] eviljames: No, its not a homework question. Basically I'm developing an app which allows schools, etc... to book resources (laptops, voice recorders, etc...) and need some help regarding managing data through SQL [13:53] fallertsen (n=lupin@host164-33-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [13:53] Urchlay, lol - nearly halfway if this one doesn't work! qmake takes FOREVER! [13:54] <3 qmake [13:54] ..... er... what is it? =S [13:55] jplcrd: and you're having trouble with JDBC? [13:55] it's a part of qt [13:55] nvm, reading the trolltech man now [13:55] for the developer files [13:55] rhys (n=rhys@r-lyeh.meds.cwru.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:56] ali__ (n=ali@89.180.13.15) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:56] not sure if it uses auto tools or replaces it, but Qt has a really nice build system (it works and it's easily configurable across platforms) [13:56] qmake -project && qmake && make to build a project, for example [13:56] or something to that extent, it's been a while [13:56] eviljames: I don't have much knowledge of managing sql databases; I'm writing the code as we speak, but I'm unsure as of how to integrate a database, as opposed to storing variables locally. [13:57] jplcrd: is it connecting to a database or using something like SQLite? [13:57] jplcrd: Sorry, I can't even give you a crash course... Java has a whole database connector API. [13:57] sec [13:58] jplcrd: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/jdbc/TOC.html [13:58] jplcrd: Good luck. [13:58] eviljames: everything i've found on google regarding the mp3 player is all ubuntu pages, where the device just mounts automatically [13:58] Ah! Merci! Thanks for the link. [13:59] jplcrd: c'est rien. [13:59] jplcrd: java does have amazing documentation [13:59] It has a ton of books written by Sun available for free. [13:59] docs.sun.com [14:00] I know, but somehow I always manage to overlook Sun's official documents. [14:00] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [14:00] :P [14:02] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [14:03] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.28) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl28-56.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] hello everyone [14:05] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] jplcrd: no matter what the language, don't trust user input when storing to the database!!! [14:06] don't trust user input ever, for any purpose [14:06] jplcrd: here's a few more for good measure: !!!!!!! [14:06] true ^^ [14:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [14:06] do use PreparedStatement if you can [14:07] jplcrd: always use prepared statements with placeholders [14:07] (even mysql supports them these days) [14:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:07] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-190.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Action: jumperboy agrees with Urchlay [14:07] I'll take that into consideration once I start writing that portion of the code. [14:07] deffd (n=few@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("::"). [14:08] jplcrd: that will be at least 50% of your security right there [14:08] Now I'm still getting my head around java's overcomplicated gui's.... [14:08] ugh, yeah [14:10] Would you recommend the use of xampp for such a project? [14:11] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left ##slackware. [14:13] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ad5069a2dc42cb84) left ##slackware. [14:13] Hey since we're on the topic; someone who is a web developer is pretty much expected to be a db admin these days too right? [14:13] I'm neither so that's why I ask [14:14] or is the db abstracted for the web dev already in most cases? [14:15] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [14:15] antiwire: you wish :( [14:16] Urchlay: so most web devs are master and commander of all things that go beep? [14:17] unless you're talking about large corporate enterprise-type environments [14:17] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [14:17] antiwire: I'm both, but i've found that's rare [14:18] looks like the ntp update got borked for 11.0 [14:18] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [14:18] I worked in a shop that never had more than 4 devs for 5 years... and after the first year, the other guy who knew SQL quit [14:19] jumperboy: what's wrong with it? [14:19] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Client Quit [14:19] it should be ntp-4.2.4p7-i486-1_slack11.0 but it was pushed out as ntp-4.2.2p3-i486-1_slack11.0 [14:19] we had the boss, who knew nothing, but his boss kept making him code anyway (copy/pasta from hell), and a series of recent graduates who were worse than useless [14:19] jumperboy: no, that's correct, I think. Seems like I recall that the later version was broken. [14:21] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: "¡Pero si no venia en el manual! (El que pulsó el botón)." [14:21] rworkman: but downgrading the version number causes issues with package managers like slapt-get (maybe slackpkg too?) [14:21] Not slackpkg. Not our problem either :) [14:22] buuudumpcha! [14:23] rworkman: understood, so you're saying the upgrade to ntp-4.2.4p6-i486-1_slack11.0 was a mistake (that's the last version i have in /var/log/packages) [14:23] ? [14:23] jumperboy: as I understand it, yes. [14:23] rworkman: okay, i'll remove it and install the latest patch [14:24] This is from memory of private discussion, but: 4.2.4 broke ntp on 2.4.x kernels, but it wasn't caught until after the patch was issued. Therefore, this patch rolled back to a working version on slackware 8.1-11.0 [14:24] rworkman: just curious, why would slackpkg still work? does it ignore version numbers? [14:24] jumperboy: yes, slackpkg tries to sync the system with what's on the official mirror, irrespective of version numbers. [14:24] rworkman: good to know [14:25] rworkman: ah, yes. nothing but errors in ntp.log since January 16: "kernel time sync error 0001" :P [14:25] rworkman: is it true that slackpkg works by parsing the changelog? [14:26] rg3: no [14:26] The only thing it halfass parses the ChangeLog for is added packages [14:26] rworkman: yet the clock is still right! and i think i got this machine from the curb... [14:27] jumperboy: good internal timer :) [14:28] rworkman: it's the timeserver for my local lan, too :) [14:28] hd (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [14:28] zGhost (i=zach@unaffiliated/zghost) joined ##slackware. [14:28] sometimes dumpster PCs are the best [14:28] hehe [14:29] hm since rworkman is here let me ask some questions. (i'll give him 2min to go first :P ) [14:29] like mutt dogs :) [14:30] a) has anyone tried parted in slack-current installer ? does it work or it can't find libparted-1.8.so.8 ? [14:30] hooray for it being my friday [14:30] they can shampoo the carpets at night any time they want [14:31] Lord_Khelben: is parted even in the installer?? [14:31] zGhost (i=zach@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: Client Quit [14:31] rworkman: i didn't think it would be but i tried it and parted exists but it doesn't find the lib [14:31] i tried it just now in vbox just to be sure i was correct [14:31] zGhost (i=zach@unaffiliated/zghost) joined ##slackware. [14:32] Just added the old 2.0.x black theme for X-Chat, feel much more at home [14:33] xchat? ewwww! [14:33] what do you use? [14:33] lol wpic =p [14:33] epic rather [14:33] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Success [14:33] what script, I used to use epic ages ago [14:33] telnet irc.freenode.org 6667 [14:33] Action: theblackbox has to get into irssi [14:33] :) [14:33] irssi's black theme looks really nice. [14:33] b) just curious. in rc.0 (lines 189+) there is code that unmounts lvm volumes and then unmounts local file systems. since lvm volumes are local isn't the latter enough ? [14:34] Lord_Khelben: possibly, but I suspect the answer to that is "Does it hurt anything like it is?" :) [14:34] hienoa [14:34] rworkman: of course not, that is why i mentioned i am curious [14:34] Necos, where can you get that script? [14:35] i was reading the scripts for a crypt/lvm setup and that is how i noticed it [14:35] i got it a long time ago [14:35] ah, does it work on epic5? [14:35] havent tried [14:36] epic's scripting language is what, tcl? [14:36] what irc client do you guys like? [14:36] IRCii script [14:36] Action: Urchlay *hearts* irssi [14:36] epic is a fork of ircII [14:36] irssi is the *only* irc client :) thanks rworkman [14:36] you can script in tcl/ruby/perl/python [14:37] heh... irssi is whatever =p [14:37] but they must be called from an ircII script [14:37] irssi gives me hives [14:37] what do you use? [14:37] irc clients are like assholes... [14:37] finch and pidgin [14:38] (que flames) [14:38] finch is cool [14:38] antiwire, hehe [14:38] cue, even :p [14:38] que? [14:38] lol [14:38] no i really mean...que [14:38] screw you all [14:38] woohoo [14:38] queue [14:38] =p [14:38] pidgin for IRC isn't so bad after you add the plugin package [14:39] pidgin isn't great at all... for any purpose... [14:39] heh, sure it is [14:39] not from my experience :P [14:39] scubacuda (n=rog@rrcs-96-10-100-50.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:40] it's lack of support for a lot of protocol features disappoints me [14:40] it's ability to avoid lawsuits for reverse engineering is amazing ^_~ [14:40] jplcrd: does your client support DSA encryption for message text regardless of protocol? [14:40] zGhost: your speaking as if all the protocols are open [14:41] antiwire: not familiar with pidgin and completely ignoring do-your-own-research-first protocol, what does the plugin package get you? [14:41] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:41] init[1], I realize they aren't, but that doesn't change the fact that I could be disappointed in it, you speak as if disappointment doesn't depend on your emotion at the time [14:41] pidgin is great imo, I'm using it right now for irc. [14:41] antiwire: you mean RSA encryption? [14:41] Nick change: njan -> james [14:41] zGhost: hey chill . [14:41] I am :D [14:41] jplcrd: yeah [14:41] Nick change: james -> njan [14:42] lee555J5: A huge list of protocol enhancements [14:42] too many to list here [14:42] go go look for yourself [14:42] lee555J5: The plugin package is on SBo, there's around 30+ plugins for various things, go look it up. [14:42] i wish i could use GYachI [14:42] but it has soo much dependency [14:43] GYachi is meant to replicate yahoo messenger for ms windows [14:43] antiwire: You ever experienced with im's in pidgin getting a "Unable to send, message to long" or something like that? [14:43] firebird619: yes i have [14:43] firebird619: what protocol? [14:43] antiwire: just curious, but not enough to look for myself. *very* happy with irssi :) [14:43] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [14:44] heh, anything compiled on windows is annoying [14:44] XMPP i guess [14:44] antiwire: I don't need to have a client with pre-enable DSA encryption. Have you heard of SimpServer? [14:44] AIM file transfer does not work correctly either [14:44] antiwire: yahoo is whate I've seen it with lately. [14:44] s/whate/what/ [14:44] firebird619: have you used GYachi ? [14:44] firebird619: I don't see that message anymore. I have seen it in the past on very few occasions on AIM protocol but not recently [14:45] antiwire: Hmm, ok. I got it the other day and I can't figure out why, the message I typed was quite short imo, yet I got that message. [14:45] init[1]: no [14:45] jplcrd: nope. [14:46] i feel its better to use meebo but not sure of privary .. [14:46] firebird619: yeah but what 'short imo' ? [14:46] 500 lines? [14:46] lol [14:47] haha, under 25 characters. [14:48] antiwire: You might find this post interesting: http://blog.dotkam.com/2008/11/10/configure-simp-server-to-encrypt-im-clients-in-linux/ [14:48] it's better to have in client imo [14:49] tmvipinster (n=VIPIN@218.248.69.32) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Right, but I guess that this would give you more liberty when it comes to choosing the client you want use. [14:50] jplcrd: the that way a nice information thank you [14:51] was [14:51] init[1]: no problem. [14:51] i suppose, but might be better to just publish the specs and let authors use it as a plugin [14:52] jplcrd: but that tool is closed source right [14:52] I'm not sure, I'm checking right now. [14:52] yes it is as what i have seen [14:53] Yup, it is. [14:53] Action: Urchlay likes btlbee, if forced to use silly IM protocols [14:53] jplcrd: how can we trust that thing . :P [14:53] bitlbee ftw :) [14:54] Haha you shouldn't, I was just putting it out there, it isn't even supported anymore! [14:54] I've consulted with businesses in my area about their network security and specifically about their IM traffic. Just as that link mentions, many businesses are using IM for internal and external communication now. I've explained the problem with using IM for 'secret' internal communication and even implemented IM encryption methods for them. Ultimately, they have all just said 'bleh' and ignore my warnings [14:54] jplcrd: they should be opening it up then .. [14:55] I've setup whole small business with per client keys and even trained them. [14:55] init[1]: Indeed they should... [14:55] I guess they just don't care about their information security [14:55] better solution would be to use a vnc to our home [14:55] antiwire: Realistically, what are the risks of someone intercepting your conversation? [14:55] :P [14:56] use our own client [14:56] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] jplcrd: well it depends on the company's threat profile. Some places have a big risk of people trying to snoop [14:56] antiwire: How can they not care, when Crypto XMPP is so /easy/ to implement? [14:56] clients come in with their own laptops for meetings [14:57] competitors come in for meetings, it's a real risk and saying 'what's the big deal' is just side stepping the issue [14:57] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] eviljames: I know it [14:57] eviljames: I've explained the issues and they still just ignore it, plaintext email/IM [14:57] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] it's silly if you ask me [14:57] Action: eviljames falls flat [14:57] plaintext email [14:57] yes. [14:57] Might as well be using FTP [14:58] (plz don't tell me they use ftp...) [14:58] eviljames: exactly... [14:58] eviljames: yeah no ftp..their in-house IT people are obviously not on the ball [14:58] My boss insists on using ftp for some things. [14:59] eviljames: they do have webservers but those also lack proper field verifying as well as https when it should be used [14:59] I don't know what's so damn hard about using sftp, filezilla = a great windows client for it.. [14:59] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.126.38) joined ##slackware. [14:59] eviljames: there's nothing hard about it, I think it comes down to 'omg this is different wtf!!' [14:59] ojg (n=ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] Lord_Khelben: thanks for pointing out the parted issue in the installer. The next version of the -current installer will have that missing library [15:00] antiwire: -sigh- no accounting for some people, eh? [15:00] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.120) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:01] part of the problem is, no explanation of why ftp is insecure will ever penetrate the brain of your typical manager [15:01] eviljames: In many of the places I've tried to help with security they just blindly hold their IT departments on high as if they have it all figured out. I'm not saying that I have it all figured out but there are some basic steps that should be taken to secure communications [15:01] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [15:01] alienBOB: ah it was a problem then. ok thanks :) [15:01] they are convinced (rightly or wrongly) that they're incapable of understanding "all that technical stuff", so they just turn off their ears at the first mention of anything technical [15:02] antiwire: So simple that it can be summed up in 10 words: "No communication goes in or out of here without crypto." [15:02] simple things like just enabling tls or at least ssl on their email server. [15:02] eviljames: exactly. [15:02] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.22) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Urchlay: On top of that try explaining what pgp/gpg is and what it does [15:03] such a simple and effective tool but they won't use it [15:03] have worked for a manager who was actually proud of his ignorance of "all that techincal stuff" [15:03] collin (n=acollin@ns2.emel.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:03] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.22) left irc: Client Quit [15:04] which is kinda of like the attitude of an aristocrat from the dark ages... "Technical stuff is for peasants; a gentleman doesn't dirty his hands with it" [15:04] hahahahaha [15:04] awesome analogy [15:04] that's how it is here at the high school [15:04] that's the same attitude the ancient greeks had when one of them invented a steam engine [15:05] (can you imagine, legions of greek steam-powered tanks rolling across europe?) [15:06] Necos: I taught a class to the IT people at a high school once, which was supposed to be "intro to IP networking" [15:07] they all threw up didn't they? [15:07] asked a guy to come up to the board, convert a netmask to CIDR notation. His answer? "I'd rather stick barbed wire up my nose" [15:07] Why bother explaining pgp/gpg to luddites at all, though? Same thing with all of this. [15:07] These guys don't care, computers are a tool to get work done. [15:08] eviljames: is there any email client that automagically does the gpg stuff, encrypt on outgoing, decrypt on incoming, etc? [15:09] if so, give 'em that [15:09] I'll give you 5-1 odds that Exchange does. [15:09] Exchange / Outlook that is. [15:09] Urchlay: thunderbird does it [15:09] Urchlay: thunderbird has engimail [15:09] eviljames: I bet it can do it, but is disabled by default [15:10] I wish gmail had it , but the plugin to firefox doesn't work at all .. [15:10] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:10] init[1]: I use Thunderbird + enigmail to access my gmail accounts so that's one way to do it [15:11] eviljames: and it wouldn't surprise me if it's an almost-but-not-quite-standard implementation that can't easily interop with non-MS stuff... [15:11] but that's just me being disgruntled, I haven't really looked it up or anything [15:11] enigmail? wasn't the enigma cipher broken in like 1943? :) [15:11] antiwire: yes, that is nice . what i meant it with the actual ajax gmail client [15:12] init[1]: yeah in that case, not yet [15:12] antiwire: there is a plugin but it doesn't work [15:12] i mean for firefox [15:12] Lets see what google wave is gona give us [15:13] Urchlay: that's sad (re: class) [15:14] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.186.38.138) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:16] tmvipinster (n=VIPIN@218.248.69.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:16] but yeah, high school students are stupid nowadays [15:16] and it's because their parents pride themselves on their lack of knowledge [15:16] Necos: Let's not generalize. [15:17] Necos: :P [15:17] i work at an inner-city high school, i've earned my right to do so ^_~ [15:17] Necos: this wasn't a student, this was a guy about 30, who was getting paid to take the class [15:17] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:17] then he's even a bigger dumbass (refer to point 1) [15:17] (granted, not getting paid enough, considering he was one of 4 IT employees for the entire county school system) [15:18] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:19] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.22) joined ##slackware. [15:19] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [15:19] http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdotLinux/~3/gW12d0NJw4o/KDE-424-Released [15:19] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:19] may be i a late bird for the news :P [15:19] *im [15:20] I'm waiting for it to hit -current [15:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] antiwire: after all these devlopment within the current do you thing pat and team would add kde 424 [15:21] *think [15:21] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Client Quit [15:21] My own non-insider guess is yes [15:21] lol [15:22] My insider guess is also yes ;-) [15:22] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [15:22] Action: Necos prods alienBOB randomly [15:22] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.26.92) left irc: "‚»" [15:23] hehe [15:23] Action: alienBOB bleeds Necos [15:23] lol [15:23] alienBOB: seems to convey somhting ;) with his insider mind :P [15:23] if you prod an an alienBOB, does he bleed? apparently, the answer is yes [15:24] no Necos i think he bled you [15:24] hey another great news ..http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdotIt/~3/fqaacPIPABU/Cybercriminals-Refine-ATM-Data-sniffing-Software [15:24] s/an an/an/; [15:24] which uses MS Winxp [15:24] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] init[1]: I saw that one too; Now *that* is hilarious...speaking of security practices [15:24] Since 4.2.4 is supposed to be the last 4.2.x and KDE 4.3 has (at this moment) some incompatibilities that prevent inclusion in Slackware-current, I think we may see 4.2.4 in slackware-current any time soon [15:25] not even the Windows part. The part about people gaining enough access to the machines to install the tools. [15:25] antiwire: lol .. alienBOB there goes the logic :) [15:25] Necos: when I bleed you, I open you up - your blood pours. That is the english language quirk [15:25] nheco (n=nheco@201-14-223-199.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] look at all the blood! [15:26] it's like the shinning in here! [15:26] alienBOB: not allowed >.> [15:26] In my country we make sausages of the blood [15:27] ew [15:27] heya jeev [15:27] alienBOB: here too [15:27] Yummy [15:27] whats up necos [15:27] I must say, that makes me a little queasy. [15:27] though i have never tried it [15:27] hmmm, this is just fuckin hilarious: http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F4_0_s_2_0_t&usg=AFQjCNGsD46o-KOas2a0gdeXDKC0wZZokQ&cid=1253384456&ei=uR0oSqiTEaXmNaXMg-MC&rt=HOMEPAGE&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tmz.com%2F2009%2F06%2F04%2Fkate-plus-another-womans-baby%2F [15:27] ugh, tinyurl >.> [15:27] long pig sausage? [15:28] Bake a slice together with some apple parts, eat it with bread [15:28] heh [15:28] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] Necos: hey maybe you could find a longer url for that lol [15:28] mullet [15:28] It is made of pig's blood indeed [15:28] necos, have you ever seen a black guy with a mullet ? [15:28] http://tinyurl.com/r7j6d4 [15:28] there ya go [15:28] necos! [15:28] and fuck no jeev lol [15:28] i'll pay you money to keep a mullet LOL [15:28] you'll be bigger than anyone else [15:28] >.> [15:28] nuh uh [15:29] oh man that's hiariosu [15:29] hilarious [15:29] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] Necos: plz. [15:30] Necos: plz go with jeev's plan [15:30] and make a pictorial of it [15:30] http://www.lolviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mullet.png ahahahahahah [15:30] people become famous, then they decide to do something stupid to remain famous [15:31] ie: Paris Hilton [15:31] She did something really stupid, and stopped releasing sex tapes :/ [15:31] jeev: is that you [15:31] gar0t0_ (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:31] no [15:31] i got a picture of eviljames. http://fdask.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/mullet1.jpg [15:32] who the hell is that? lol [15:32] that is not eviljames [15:32] pireau_ (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:32] Some day it will be. [15:32] eviljames: lol ... [15:32] lol [15:32] Necos, we really need you with a mullet [15:33] come on man [15:33] Business in the front, party in the rear [15:33] woo-hah! [15:33] hahahahahaha [15:33] heh [15:34] http://garwarner.blogspot.com/2009/06/bank-of-america-digital-certificates.html [15:35] zGhost (i=zach@unaffiliated/zghost) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:35] macguyver made that famous (Richard Dean Anderson) [15:35] heh [15:36] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:38] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Axius (i=samyw@92.84.8.135) left irc: "Leaving" [15:40] hey , what happend so silent ! [15:40] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [15:40] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [15:41] I've eaten everybody [15:41] lol . [15:41] you're next :) [15:41] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-33.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Action: init[1] i know to defent my self [15:41] haha .. [15:42] kiya .. [15:42] there goes the black spot on your eyes . . [15:42] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] are you sure ? http://www.lostzombies.com/page/objective-j1 [15:43] zombies are dangerous to other zombies' lifespan [15:44] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [15:44] Camarade_Tux: do you have papers ready . .well im comming .. [15:45] kunal (n=kunala05@ppp-124-120-227-38.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [15:45] init[1], I'm on an island, on a lake, with loads of ammo :) [15:46] meow~~ [15:46] on an island?? [15:46] Camarade_Tux: your on an island .. right look ho is behind you [15:47] Camarade_Tux: serious? [15:47] water ... lol hhhal la [15:47] kunal: he is joking . [15:47] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:47] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) left irc: "changing servers" [15:48] kunal, actually I live in Europe ;p [15:48] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] init[1], well, you're about to trigger the electric fence :) [15:48] I mean, Europe, like in France :) [15:49] Camarade_Tux: how the hell do you get the power to drive the electric fence ? on a island .. [15:49] cycle genrator ? [15:49] yea keep on cycling .. [15:49] init[1], he, I'm living in France, nuclear power ! :D [15:49] or fusion :D [15:51] new achron video [15:51] btw did i forget mention smthing . [15:51] i'm on an apache [15:51] not the server btw . [15:52] electric fence ,yeeew .. good to keep the cattle away .. france right .? [15:53] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] i got a 502 from youtube [15:55] there are under maintainece [15:55] yesterday i too go it [15:55] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:56] Plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [15:57] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:57] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:58] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.93.212) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:59] u2pian (n=guest@120.28.198.169) joined ##slackware. [15:59] achron is looking a lot more finished. [16:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:01] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.22) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:02] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Knoxville (n=Knoxvill@70-90-77-201-BusName-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:04] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:06] David Carradine was found dead in a Bangkok Thailand hotel room [16:07] Was he a member of NAMBLA? [16:07] I mean, I know he had mad kungfu skillz.. [16:07] But was he doing something nefarious in Thailand? [16:08] i have no idea, i just heard it on the radio just now myself [16:08] it passed away on June 3 [16:08] They're saying suicide? [16:08] not the internet radio, i like AM/FM [16:08] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.200) joined ##slackware. [16:08] accident on location [16:09] I heard suicide myself. [16:09] http://www.david-carradine.com/ [16:09] "accident on location" [16:09] i got that from the link [16:09] omfg, it must have been self-asphixiation/masturbation like the guy from inxs. [16:09] no details, i bet you could find more info online somewhere, try http://drudgereport.com/ [16:10] Thai police told the BBC the 72-year-old was found naked by a hotel maid in a wardrobe with a cord around his neck and other parts of his body. [16:10] hahaha [16:10] thai police [16:10] they are fucking corrupted [16:10] nope, not on the drugereport [16:10] tell me about it [16:10] Pig_Pen: It's on the beeb [16:11] who is David Carradine? [16:11] yeah, thats what i am listening to, bbc on NPR everyday at 3PM [16:11] kunal: The guy from Kung Fu [16:11] http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jYLx_BnPo6sLU4mJPxtECCt0z6RQD98K0T000 [16:11] and Kill Bill [16:11] oh serious!! [16:11] yessir. [16:11] i think the police must have killed him themselves [16:11] or some thai hooker [16:12] and the cops just cover it up [16:13] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-131.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Action: Camarade_Tux loves apvlv so much :) [16:14] oh, btw, took from a comment on reddit : http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=What+do+women+want%3F ;) [16:15] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.133.68) joined ##slackware. [16:15] no more killbill :( [16:15] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) joined ##slackware. [16:15] sucks [16:16] Camarade_Tux: lol [16:18] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] and some people don't want to believe wolfram|alpha is full of hard-coded entries (or at least put there by a human) [16:21] Some things pretty much have to be hard coded for hilariousness. [16:21] i have no idea who would find any real use for wolframalpha, its not a search engine, and the math can be done with either software on your own PC or with a calculator [16:21] Pig_Pen: patently false. [16:21] Wolfram Alpha is really, really really neat. [16:21] type in: "What is two thousand days from now?" [16:21] or, alcohol vs caffeine [16:21] its not patently false, i did not get a patent on my previous comment ;p [16:22] Search is over, all that does is look through a big index. This is much more interesting - a calculation engine. [16:22] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [16:22] argh [16:22] I wish I had a patent on falsehoods :( [16:22] but it just doesn't fit my needs, I couldn't come with a single query for w|a [16:23] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-33.dial.telus.net) left irc: "brb" [16:24] u2pian (n=guest@120.28.198.169) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:24] drugs vs sex [16:24] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [16:25] deffd (n=few@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:25] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] it really can't answer anything that interests me : I asked it where to find porn this morning, no answer =/ [16:26] beer vs wine [16:26] http://www79.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=beer+vs+wine [16:26] It's pretty comprehensive on the beer v wine question. [16:27] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.133.68) left irc: "Leaving." [16:27] yup, netherone has anything of value, just alcohol and calories [16:28] Maybe it's because I'm a math nerd that I think W|A is so neat [16:28] If a virus takes over those computers thoug, be prepared. SkyNet. [16:29] http://www79.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=superman+vs+batman [16:29] I'm a math nerd but don't find w|a that cool, but maybe that's because my google-fu got quite high [16:29] too much dependence on insecure PC/software will be the downfall of modern civilization [16:29] eviljames: Skynet will rule along with timecube. :P [16:29] Camarade_Tux: Google != w|a. They're not even close to the same thing.. Google indexes and compares your query with what appears in its index, of course. [16:29] whereas w|a considers and calculates. [16:30] timecube will be the backbone of their time co-processor. [16:30] No, it will allow them to calculate in 4-daycubetime. [16:30] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Which, of course, means that all computations will be done in the ticks between quantum steps. [16:31] hi guys, for no reason at all.. my mouse cursor (after a shutdown) changed its shape... any clue what could have caused it? and how I can change it? I did try going in to control center > mouse > cursor theme> and select "no theme" ... no effect though. this is making no sense, I've absolutely no idea what could have caused it :x [16:31] eviljames, of course, but google will give you better results than w|a with keywords that are good enough (and now), I can find keywords that are good enough quite easily [16:31] Camarade_Tux: I don't see how they could be used in anywhere near the same capacity. [16:31] comet cursor! ;p [16:31] http://www79.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=wolframalpha+vs+google [16:32] Camarade_Tux: I'd use google when I'm looking to find something... w|a serves an entirely different purpose. [16:32] eviljames, in beer vs. wine, it gives you the energetic infos for beer and wine, you can find that on google too [16:32] and wikipedia [16:32] Yeah, but these are all silly uses of w|a. [16:32] Wolfram Alpha [16:32] whats so great abouti t? [16:32] Ask google to plot x^3 - y^2 for you in 3 space. [16:32] i know a friend who is working on it. [16:32] eviljames, I never got any non silly use of w|a [16:33] Please, just go find the right keywords to make google plot x^3-y^2 on xyz axes. [16:33] Then come back and tell me how much more useful google is for this problem. [16:33] :P [16:33] I'm getting an (Error reading NAV packet in xine) for no apparent reason when trying to play a DVD. I have installed libdvdcss, libdvdnav, libdvdplay, and libdvdread. Thanks! [16:34] Any suggestions? :P [16:34] eviljames, gnuplot> splot x**3-y**2 [16:34] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-23.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Camarade_Tux: Google uses gnuplot? [16:35] no, eviljames [16:35] it uses its own funky implementation [16:36] aesthetically better than gnuplot's [16:36] eviljames, no of course, but I still haven't found any use for w|a, I always have a better tool for every task I can think of [16:36] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.138) joined ##slackware. [16:36] Pig_Pen, NOT FUNNY! this mouse cursor is big and annoying [16:36] the only problem with gnuplot is it has gnu in its name while it's not gnu [16:37] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.150) joined ##slackware. [16:37] ok... so you missed my point. [16:38] and help me for god's sake, I can't bear with this fat ugly thing [16:38] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] what is your screen resolution? [16:39] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-102-48.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Pig_Pen, bash-3.1$ xdpyinfo | grep 'dimensions:' dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (454x281 millimeters) [16:40] *everything* seems the same since the last down, except the mouse cursor [16:40] you might try X -configure && cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ./xorg.conf-backup && cp /root/xorg.conf-new /etc/X11/xorg.conf [16:40] eviljames, I don't know, I've looked for uses for days now and couldn't find any, I need to sleep now but if you find a really specific use, tell me =/ [16:40] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-102-48.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:40] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-100-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-67-145.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:42] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-100-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:42] Pig_Pen, getting an error - http://pastebin.com/m947f989 [16:42] how to execute a command after boot up? [16:42] good night :) [16:42] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:43] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-100-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-100-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:43] or during boot up i dont care, its a freeDNS comand... [16:44] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] you cant do that while X is running, x needs to be inactive while doing it then when you log back in your new xorg.conf can take effect [16:44] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:44] okay, I'll give it a shot, brb then [16:45] the file X -configure makes is actually named xorg.conf.new [16:45] in /root only root can get in to /root [16:46] X -configure && cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ./xorg.conf-backup && cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf [16:46] pupit: /etc/rc.d/rc.local [16:47] antiwire: yes? [16:47] deffd (n=few@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "::" [16:47] i have to put command there? [16:47] didn't you ask "(2009-06-04 13:43:04) pupit: how to execute a command after boot up?" [16:47] rc.local would be the place [16:47] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [16:47] ok ok :) thanks antiwire [16:50] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:51] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) joined ##slackware. [16:51] deffd (n=few@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl28-56.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [16:52] Pig_Pen, no difference. I should also mention, that this cursor is everything - including the kdm screen [16:53] not sure what else to say, xorg runs both the keyboard & mouse while X is running, the answer has to be in xorg.conf [16:53] what kind of mouse is it? details [16:54] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] wait, you mean what kind of mouse is it - the actual physical mouse? just some generic usb mouse :| [16:55] hid [16:55] usbhid [16:55] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] whatever that module is that handmes usb mouse & keyboard [16:55] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:56] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] I - can you tell me a command with which I can find out? [16:56] I'm not sure* [16:57] /sbin/modprobe look for hid or usbhid [16:57] it should be there or your mouse wont work at all [16:57] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:57] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) joined ##slackware. [16:58] the cursor is too big, but the screen resolution is fine? run xrandr and pastebin the results' [17:00] hey guys, is there a group to add users to in order to allow serial port access? minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyS0: Permission denied [17:00] Pig_Pen, still not exactly sure - but maybe this has something you were asking for: http://pastebin.com/m6e126a6b [17:01] Pig_Pen, and here http://pastebin.com/m6acbfcae [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-131.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] you're screen is running at 1680x1050 so that isnt the problem, that modprobe | grep hid looks insane though [17:03] do you have a laptop or desktop? [17:03] a desktop [17:04] do you have one of those adapters you get when you get a new usb mouse? little green thing so you can plug it in to a PS2 port? if you have one of those then use it [17:04] I'm trying to capture a screenshot with the cursor (since its specific look or theme may be associated with something and that may provides hints) but I can't [17:04] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [17:04] I don't have one of those things.. and I have only this mouse in the house and that's it [17:04] deffd: if you create a new user, do you experience the same issue? [17:05] you better power off befure plugging anything in to the PS2 port though [17:05] agentc0re, I've not tried making a new user - but when I logged in as root it was still the same [17:05] and as I also mentioned, the same cursor appears at kdm too [17:07] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] that is a strange problem, i never seen such a crazy hid thing like that before [17:07] how many usb ports do you have? [17:08] antiwire: Don't think so. All my /dev/tty* have world rwx rights. [17:08] strange. root is able to but users can't [17:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] Pig_Pen, 2 on the front and 2 in the backl [17:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.145.179) joined ##slackware. [17:09] deffd: what x interface are you using? [17:09] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] monstro (i=monstro@201-92-53-27.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:09] jplcrd, sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by 'x interface'? [17:09] antiwire: Maybe a permission issue with using minicom? [17:09] speaking of X anyone ever use that xnested? what is that for anyway, [17:10] agentc0re|work: It's not minicom, it's udev, i think [17:10] deffd: as in kde, fluxbox, xfce, etc... [17:10] antiwire: What kind of serial interface are you trying to use? mouse, terminal? [17:10] term [17:10] aww, damn... camradetux left... [17:10] http://www79.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+best+in+life%3F [17:10] jplcrd, I use the kde de though, (though I experimented with xmonad today ) [17:11] it's minicom [17:11] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] i'm trying to use minicom as a user to connect to a Sun server [17:11] ah [17:11] to defeat your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women [17:11] udev isn't giving the right perms to the tty port [17:11] i mean serial port [17:11] antiwire: you need to be in the right group probably [17:12] agentc0re|work, usb [17:12] Pig_Pen: When I defeat my enemies, their women swoon, not lament, though. [17:12] StevenR: Which is what I asked initially, what group? [17:12] Pig_Pen: So perhaps the calculation engine needs some tweaking... :/ [17:12] I don't see a serial port group, is it tty? [17:12] they always lament for me, because my wife wont let me keep any :( [17:12] antiwire: look at the device node in your /dev folder? [17:13] antiwire: what user/group when plugged in does it give? does it give tty for the group? maybe try adding that group and then which ever user to that group. [17:13] StevenR: got it, uucp [17:13] thanks [17:13] Pig_Pen: That is unfortunate... [17:13] Pig_Pen: You should train her better. [17:13] StevenR: that did it, thank you [17:14] :) [17:14] she is like a viking woman, she can kick ass [17:14] Pig_Pen: Oh, that's different (and oh so hot..). Keep her as is :P [17:14] yeah [17:14] http://www79.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+best+about+sex%3F [17:14] hah [17:15] deffd: Have you tried changing the cursor font? [17:15] jplcrd, how would I go about doing that? [17:16] deffd: You're using kde right? [17:16] jplcrd, yes [17:16] deffd: Ok. Try going to the menu and under "Utilities", "Desktop" choose "Control Centre (personal settings)". Then you should be able to choose "Mouse", and "Pointers". [17:17] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:17] jplcrd, I don't see any place where I can set a font size for the cursor [17:18] deffd: I'm using xfce, and to change the cursor size all I do is go to settings - mouse settings - cursos [17:18] *cursor [17:19] and from there you can adjust the size [17:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.37) left irc: [17:19] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:20] http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/04/1620225/Anti-Piracy-Dog-Uncovers-Huge-Cache-of-Discs?from=rss I hope they come out with deer scented dvd's now. :P hahah. [17:20] that is an odd thing, in the ten years of using linux on various hardware i never seen a cursor too big, or even read about something like that, the only time i seen anything close to that was when the screen was at 640x480 [17:20] by the way, any idea how I can take a screenshot with the mouse cursor? it's sort of unique.. maybe if someone can recognize it it may provide clues to where problem might lies [17:20] or shall I get a camera ~.~ [17:20] !ping [17:20] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:21] rhys (n=rhys@r-lyeh.meds.cwru.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [17:24] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [17:24] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.126.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:25] OMG! noobfarm is dead! [17:25] well.. here's a humungous (camera-taken) picture... http://g.imagehost.org/view/0897/102_0768 [17:26] Pig_Pen: did you kill it? [17:26] Pig_Pen: Its down for a server upgrade [17:26] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434302.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Was hoping to have it up before now, but it doesn' tlook like it will be done till late tonight.. tomorrow.. [17:26] If it is still down come tomorrow.. I'm going to migrate a DNS server and noobfarm to a a temp location [17:27] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.179.251) joined ##slackware. [17:27] raid migration? [17:27] deffd: seems normal. What was your problem? [17:28] jplcrd, it looks a little deceivingly small in the image.. o.0 [17:28] the normal 'system theme' cursor used to be about the size of the smaller red cursor you see there [17:29] right. But according to your resolution it seems fine. [17:29] anyway, is that particular cursor associated with anything? [17:29] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:29] antiwire: going from vmware 2.0 to ESXi.. but that failed.. so XenServer is going on it [17:30] ah [17:30] the printscreen button should work within kde [17:31] Pig_Pen, the prntscreen doesn't capture the cursor [17:31] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.87.97) joined ##slackware. [17:31] ah, yeah [17:31] jplcrd, even besides the 'size' then - it's clumsy and the shape is annoying. I know it sounds like I'm whining, but it really is very annoying - the image doesn't exactly portray its cluminess very well [17:32] deffd: I might not be the best person to ask, relatively new to slack myself. Worst case scenario dont even startx, use bash alone ;P [17:32] I was thinking that by recognizing this cursor set something or other could be isolated as the problem... so no-one has seen that cursor before, eh? :( [17:33] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [17:33] grekkos (n=hk0i@64.20.189.235) left irc: "see you tomorrow" [17:33] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:33] How do I enable CUPs? Its installed but when I try to go to http://localhost:631 to access and config it I get no response [17:33] jplcrd, I have two jobs and am a half-time student. If only I had the time to learn to use things without X :) [17:34] yeah, i use an old laptop that way, no X, just irssi for irc and lynx for a webbrowser in the command line mode, [17:35] deffd: Well, I'm sorry to say but if you really want a good GUI system than go windows. If you don't have the time or the curiosity to learn what happens behind your X interface then this might not be for you in the first place. [17:35] deffd, that's the cursor I've got, but I have no idea where it came from. [17:35] jplcrd, duck [17:36] hm, no? I thougth someone would have thrown something your way. Hm, oh well. [17:37] jplcrd, I see your point - and I agree to a point (I need Excel and rest of ms office- no way around it) - but I also do enjoy quite a lot of free utility and use them (gnuplot for graphs, latex to produce my lab reports), and several other things [17:37] tpollard, cool.. it's somehow nice to know that I'm not the only one with this problem [17:39] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [17:39] pietro30 (n=pietro30@198.99.129.20) joined ##slackware. [17:39] hello [17:40] I don't really find it a problem though :-) [17:40] rrrreally? I can't imagine living like this. I tell you, I'd rather re-install slackware than live with this for another day [17:40] pietro30, hi [17:41] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:42] what did you do as far as modifications to linux that may have caused this deffd ? [17:42] scubacuda (n=rog@rrcs-70-63-228-210.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] monstro (i=monstro@201-92-53-27.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:43] Pig_Pen, I changed my .xdefaults a little bit, and played with xmonad - though in both tasks I don't believe I did anything that could result in a cursor change [17:44] .Xdefaults can easily change the cursor [17:44] thrice`, afterwards, I went back to comment every line containing the word 'cursor' [17:44] did you try the simple "mv .Xdefaults .Xdefaults_gtfo" ? [17:47] yeah [17:47] and you've launched xfce to see if it's a KDE specific problem ? [17:47] (or some other non-kde WM) [17:47] not xfce, but another non-kde, yes [17:47] Launch xfce [17:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:47] pietro30 (n=pietro30@198.99.129.20) left irc: "Java user signed off" [17:48] and you had the same cursor in there as kde ? [17:48] In xfce you can change the cursor size from the setting tab [17:48] thrice`, yes - the same cursor appears at the kdm screen too [17:48] ok, then you overwrite default somehow [17:50] you don't have them in ~/.icons or ~/.themes or similar ? [17:50] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [17:51] better, you have tried making a new user and loading kde ? [17:51] thrice`, I did try logging in as root - happens there as well [17:51] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] then you must have done something to over-ride the cursors [17:51] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [17:51] a bit scary that you are clueless as to what [17:52] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-190.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:52] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:54] it seems odd then I overwrote a cursor file with another one - I mean, the only that's changed is the themeing or whatever. Even stranger is that I did nothing today having to do with mouse cursors whatsoever (not intentionally anyway) [17:54] in any case. [17:54] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [17:54] sorry, don't buy it. linux things don't happen on their own [17:55] right, so I'm just 'lying' that's a great diagnosis [17:55] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:56] i'm sick of asking you everything you did. either you clearly state what happened, and you've tried to diagnose the issue, or that is indeed my diagnosis [17:57] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.78.18) joined ##slackware. [17:59] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:59] deffd: you fucked up your linux install and neither we or slackware or anything else is to blame [18:00] I don't think I fucked up the install - it served me well for 6 months or so. anyway, isn't it a little telling that another user only a few moments ago professed to having the same problem? [18:00] sock puppet! [18:00] Mr Hand [18:01] ok, you're right. slackware has a default cron job that changes the mouse cursor [18:01] we all have something going where we pretend that it doesn't exist, and try to convince users [18:01] I don't think I'm identified with nickserv services, you can do a match [18:03] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:03] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Later"). [18:05] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.28) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:05] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [18:06] zlinux_ (n=zlinux@79.172.163.164) left irc: Connection timed out [18:07] zlinux_ (n=zlinux@79.172.135.248) joined ##slackware. [18:08] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.249) joined ##slackware. [18:08] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) left irc: "changing servers" [18:09] ananke: ping [18:10] chili_con_carne (n=chili@unaffiliated/nycjv321) joined ##slackware. [18:10] :) [18:11] dogsoul (n=dogsoul@dogsoul.org) joined ##slackware. [18:13] deffd: fwiw, look at ~/.Xdefaults file. Cursor theme might be specified there (with the theme you seem to have changed?) [18:13] deffd: and take another look at ~/.icons dir [18:13] he said he tried a new user, though [18:14] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:14] The-spiki, ~/.Xdefault has a user-level scope though, doesn't it? if the problem was there, it wouldn't extend to kdm prompt, no? [18:14] did you actually load kde, or just kdm ? [18:14] (as the new user) [18:15] also, I don't think I over-wrote some cursor icons with others, I think it's just falled back to some default cursor set [18:15] I did a computer restart -- I'm not sure what you mean by "load kde"? [18:16] log in to kde as another user [18:16] I'm looking at /usr/share/icons/default.kde -- where exactly do the cursors reside? [18:16] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.179.251) joined ##slackware. [18:16] i'm not here since the beginning of this topic... just gave you few pointers i thought might help [18:17] thrice`, I tried doing that.. but ookay, might as well try again. I think I may as well do a computer restart - and take my coffee break while I'm at it. brb in a minute or two [18:17] deffd (n=few@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "thanks - brb in 3 or 5" [18:17] /usr/share/icons/ typically [18:17] "problem" is having unexpected cursor theme while on the kdm login stage? [18:17] or as user, ~/.icons [18:18] er, restarting was not the question :| [18:20] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] I'm the user having this "problem", I've had a look around on my system, and I'm pretty sure this is X11's default internal cursor. [18:21] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] It's what you get if you haven't set something else in your .Xdefaults or .Xresources. [18:21] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:22] DareDevil0 (n=linux@201.201.187.14) left irc: "Leaving" [18:23] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-234-92.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:25] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [18:25] the one in his screenshot is not [18:25] tpollard: you are actually ON slackware, no? [18:25] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-234-92.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Yep [18:26] which version ? [18:26] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:26] 12.2 [18:26] the image he showed earlier is definitely not the default [18:26] guys I just wanted to say thanks to everyone here that helps develop slackware cuz' its a great (in my book the best) distro out :D [18:27] That's strange. [18:29] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:30] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:30] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:31] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:32] deffy (n=few@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:32] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:32] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:32] nope ;\ still the same. [18:33] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Nick change: simbiozz -> Simbioz [18:34] deffy, set a cursor theme in your .Xresources and restart X. [18:35] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] hi chili_con_carne long time since i seen you around, how is school going? [18:37] im in summer break, finished my first year [18:37] :D 3.65 gpa haha [18:37] can't wait to go back, best expeirence in my life [18:37] tpollard, have you made progress on your own part? - would you happen to have something ready for me to copy&paste? it'll take me a few good seconds to figure how I set a cursor theme in .xresources [18:37] goodboy leroy :D [18:38] lol [18:38] Xcursor.theme: whiteglass for example. [18:38] how have you been? [18:38] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-23.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:38] I've had a look and that changed it for me [18:38] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-132.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] lots of pretty girls there i bet [18:38] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [18:39] yea omg :) thats another store haha I just can't wait to go back man.... [18:39] tpollard, ookay.. just "Xcursor.theme: whiteglass" in .Xresources..? I'll give it a shot [18:40] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:40] mustapha (n=mustapha@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [18:40] mustapha (n=mustapha@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: Client Quit [18:42] farabi (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Hello, [18:44] I have the slackware 12.2 iso, and I am running archlinux, [18:44] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] is there any doc to install the slack from linux? [18:44] story* my typing is horrible.... [18:44] if arch is not running the way you want it just threaten it with the slackware CD [18:45] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:45] RJz0r (n=taterz@c-76-110-192-134.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] arch is nuning fine, but I want to install slack on the other partion (without using any cd) [18:45] runing* [18:45] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:46] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] My HD is divided on 4 partitons [18:47] the partition1 is where arch is installed, [18:47] and the 4 one is where I would like to install slack [18:47] it would be best to burn the CD and install it the old fashioned way, then either use slackware;s boot loader to dualboot with arch or add slackware to arch's bootloader conf [18:48] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:48] hd (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [18:49] yes, you are right, but the set of dvd+rw I bought are poor and bad, the cannot boot (just store date) [18:49] the guys at philosophy are surely having some serious discussion [18:49] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-a2038c773bcac300) joined ##slackware. [18:49] I'll try to be patient and tomorrow I'll get somme good dvds [18:51] (they cannot boot but just store data)* [18:51] anyway thanks Pig_Pen [18:55] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@c-71-232-102-48.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:58] deffy (n=few@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "re" [19:00] deff (n=few@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] what you mean they can't boot? [19:00] Nick change: deff -> Guest92520 [19:01] Nick change: Guest92520 -> deffd [19:01] hmmm, jeev, i just got an email about the cancellation of summer school :( [19:02] tpollard, still the same at kdm, but at least it's changed for this kde session - and it's consistent. Anyway, thanks, I think I'll learn to deal with this one until slack 13 - I'll do a new install whenever 13comes [19:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] Necos: what happened? [19:03] and, a lot of people do seem to have similar problems after a bit of googling (who're describing the same cursor set as I'm stuck with) - didn't stumble upon any solutions though, o well. [19:04] Necos: I tried growisofs k3b, the iso image is burned, but my laptop cannot read it at the system boot [19:04] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:04] it read easly others cds and dvds at boot time [19:04] N3mZ (i=501@unaffiliated/nemesis128) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:05] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "CONCENTRATING NOW" [19:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434302.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [19:06] I repead the operation many times, but no result [19:06] so the problem is the dvd+rw on my system [19:07] I am trying to connect to a ms vpn (pptp). Connection works fine but from here I get nowhere. Without adding any routes, traffic to 10.x.x.x (which is the vpn network) are routed through my default network (meaning going out through eth0 not ppp0). I hafve tried to add a route 10.100.100.2 -> ppp0 but that does not work. The problem might of course be at the receiving end. Any ideas appreciated [19:07] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:08] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] wow, it is quiet [19:11] you were in here for one minute when you said it's quiet ;D [19:11] Levitra works for me, maybe it could work for you [19:11] farabi: that's wierd... [19:12] jeev: speak for yourself =p [19:12] it's the commercial homo [19:12] lostnhell: agreed. I'm gonna have a cold one in a few minutes. [19:12] lol [19:12] jeev, I am used to more activity in here [19:12] side effects of fedora include, loss of root password, loss of administrative privileges, hacking and more [19:12] yucky [19:13] dude. I just managed to build a homemade laptop to full size IDE adapter so I could plug a full size optical drive into my Sun v120 in order to install Solaris 10 [19:14] someone has excess time on their hands [19:14] <|alisonken1churc> antiwire: I just buy one for under $5US - much easier and quicker [19:14] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@c-71-232-102-48.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Success [19:14] yeah easy to say but not easy to find in a local store. [19:15] <|alisonken1churc> ok - maybe your local store. the one about 9 blocks from my house carries them [19:15] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:15] i built it! [19:16] It is often good to get your hands dirty and build something yourself, you learn more that way [19:16] <|alisonken1churc> antiwire: true - sometimes building with your own hands is more fun (and don't forget learning experience) than buying :) [19:16] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] I think that is also why many of us run slackware, for the ability to build and configure things to our liking [19:17] thumbs (n=avenger@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:18] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:20] manuw (n=x42@debiancenter/developer/manuw) joined ##slackware. [19:20] what do you think the US Army uses? [19:21] Slackware? [19:21] Windows? [19:21] you're from thailand i think [19:21] vista :D [19:21] so [19:21] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] jeev: how you know? [19:21] that's noNE OF YOUR BUSINESS! [19:21] vista, that was a dumb decision [19:21] hax0r! [19:21] oh yeah [19:21] hahah [19:21] IP [19:21] Channel flood from kunal -- kicking [19:21] sorry [19:21] kunal kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:21] Vista is fine.. [19:21] kunal (n=kunala05@ppp-124-120-227-38.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [19:21] kunal, i have a camera in your room. [19:21] did i just get kicked? [19:21] kunal, why would you think the US Army uses Slackware? [19:21] by the looks of it, you have boobs and a penix [19:21] i read an article on slashdot that a lot of gov and mil are starting to switch from xp to vista [19:22] jeev: did you just kick me? [19:22] in the desktop dept, i doubt they use anything from ms as a server [19:22] Pig_Pen, airlines too? maybe that could explain that airplane falling out mid air [19:22] yes kunal. [19:22] may i know a reason? [19:22] I've never liked vista, there are too many steps to complete a simple action [19:22] no, i didnt kick you :) [19:22] man you're so gullible [19:22] straterra: I was just kidding [19:22] you flooded the channel so the bot kicekd you [19:22] since gov helped develop selinux.. I had assume where security is a necessity, rhse with selinux [19:22] ok.. [19:23] This was the message - * slackboy has kicked kunal from ##slackware (flood) [19:23] why me? [19:23] of all the people? [19:23] dood, read the message [19:23] you flooded. [19:23] too many messages in a short time [19:23] kunal, it was an automated kick, you reached the threshold that no one else did [19:23] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:24] oh ok. sorry [19:24] Jeev: sorry for accusations. [19:24] lol [19:24] too late, we're all very offender. [19:24] it's ok, i get accused all the time. [19:24] ^er^ed [19:24] J'ACCUSE!! [19:24] Action: eviljames is afk again :P [19:24] oh man the canadian is on [19:24] thank god, he's leaving [19:24] Look out, the crazy canuck wandered through! [19:25] canuks are as evil as scottsmen [19:25] aww, Pig_Pen I used to think you were cool... [19:25] i used to be cool? [19:26] No, no [19:26] he used to think you were cool. [19:26] groundskeeper willie is a scottsman [19:30] so, who's the scot and who's the canadian? [19:31] Action: eviljames <- canuck [19:31] manuw (n=x42@debiancenter/developer/manuw) left ##slackware. [19:32] my dad was a drunk scottsman sailor, that is why i am so crazy [19:32] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] kdeinit4 : error while loading shared libraries: libstreamanalyzer.so [19:35] help me :) [19:35] thanks [19:35] well do you have that library :) [19:36] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [19:36] SlackNeo, what version of Slack are you running? [19:37] lostnhell: 12.2 [19:37] slackware 4 lyfe! [19:37] dont tell us you installed kde4 out of current in to slackware-12.2 [19:37] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] I want to install kde4 [19:38] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] dont tell us you installed kde4 out of current in to slackware-12.2!!! [19:38] quick question - I'm planning to reinstall slack. I'm deciding right now whether to choose -current or 12.2 - my question: will upgrading from -current to 13 be an easy task? or should I just go with 12.2? [19:38] SlackNeo, to install KDE4 in 12.2 you will have to research and resolve all dependencies [19:39] deffd, at the point that 13.0 is released current will be 13.0 [19:39] I was hoping to try out kde4 anyway ;\ [19:39] I am starting to like the new feel of KDE4 in slackware64-current [19:41] lostnhell, ok.. so to get caught up on the changes that will be from installing current now to how it'll be when it'll officially be dubbed 13 will be an effortless task? [19:41] Depends on what changes between now and 13. [19:41] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [19:42] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.249) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [19:43] someone mentioned that 13 is about somewhere on the horizon.. do you think it's a safe bet to assume there won't be drastic changes and going with it? [19:43] No. :) [19:43] deffd, the changes will be drastic... to upgrade for current to 13 will only require that you install all updated packages [19:43] I think the final kde 4.3 is set to release in july, I imagine 13 would probably come packed with that [19:43] Definitely not. [19:43] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:44] Nick change: nod_ -> nod [19:44] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:44] kde4 is nice but you need a fucking supercomputer to run the bloated thing [19:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:44] Pig_Pen, my system is pretty new and powerful :) I'm not so worried about that [19:45] i probably wont install it and roll my own kde-3.x [19:45] my newest system has a dualcore intel 2.2g, and 2 gigs ram, but i am not going to use a desktop that sucks up all those resource just for a desktop [19:46] stupid eyecandy [19:47] I'm putting it on my family desktop.. aaand my little siblings are shallow, so I'm obliged to put 'stupid eyecandy' on it, else they beat with large sticks. [19:47] +me [19:47] agreed... IMO running a fancy GUI is counter productive towards the slackware linux flavor selection [19:47] plenty of beter distros suited to that type of thing [19:47] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-131.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] Pig_Pen: Honestly? What do you compare kde4 with? Of course its no wmii, but surely it is not slower than gnome or kde3? [19:48] what will i tell my wife, gee honey, you cant run a web browser because the desktop ate up all the resources [19:48] jdog, since it'll be the 'default' - new configs are settings would be centered and biased toward it. increasingly with time, I think, there will be more and more incentives for using kde4 and avoiding older stuff [19:48] kde4 is very slow depending on the system [19:49] since it depends on the video card so heavy [19:49] THEN GET ME A BETTER COMPUTER DAMN YOU! [19:49] ill put on icewm and rox --pinboard-PIN [19:50] i will say, i would like to buy a new computer but i thought we would be better off having something to eat everyday this month [19:51] come on now, eating is overrated! ;P [19:51] thumbs (n=avenger@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] uhmm [19:52] KDE4 was slow on my system until I installed the nvidia drivers [19:52] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] i keep up with nvidia's latest [19:52] you were cruising around without nvidia drivesr installed? [19:53] big man you are [19:54] do as little as you can, and that unwillingly. it is easier to endure a small reprimand than an arduous task [19:54] I'm running and X2 with 4G of ram, nothing is slow, but KDE4 does seem to be faster and better on resources than V3 was. [19:56] i will give kde4 a try when Pat is finished with current and releases it as 13 but i have my doubts about kde4, not because of pat, but because of my hardware and KDE's development [19:56] I've got a confession to make [19:57] I'll be over at the dark side until 13 is released [19:57] what? your running what distro? [19:57] yeah. :( [19:57] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.150) left irc: "Leaving." [19:57] so, when that question was asked and you blatently lied ? [19:57] jesus christ [19:57] or our time that was wasted by us ? [19:58] by you * [19:58] what do you think I lied about? [19:58] running slackware ? [19:58] when trying to fix your xorg-cursor [19:58] no, I'm running slack [19:58] he is running some other distro, and lieing to us about fixing it [19:59] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [19:59] oh, I see [19:59] I don't really get the logic. Why would I lie about that? [20:00] and I was opearting another distro, wouldn't it make more sense for me to ask in that distro's chan and not here? [20:00] +if [20:00] where is the configuration file for sendmail? [20:00] I thought that's what you were confessing to [20:00] thats just what i was thinking, i dont get the logic why someone would come in here asking us to fix some other distro [20:00] It happens a lot. Help ehlp! I am running slack (promise) but when I run apt-get install mono it doesn't work! [20:00] lol [20:01] indeed [20:01] 4 billion gallons of icecream is eaten every year in the usa [20:01] lolwut: umm /etc/mail [20:01] kitche: thanks [20:02] farabi (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [20:02] Pig_Pen: Hmm, what comes in must come out... For billion gallons (us or imperical) ice-cream that must make its way out. Not a pleasant sight [20:02] ah yeah! chowder is on cartoon network [20:03] thrice`, no, I said I'll be trying out another distro until 13 is released. but my reasoning is most unrelated to the problems I came across today (fwiw, the reasons: 1) my mate (who lives with me) uses that distro - and it would be better if we're on the same page more often, 2) the distro is pretty popular - which means getting newer things is a little easier, and 3) maintaining slack requires one to know about the system. I a) don't hav [20:03] e time for that b) I'm not smart enough to troubleshoot common problems). That's it. :) not trying to provoke you guys, but I think I've a fair justification [20:04] slackware 13 wont be any easier than 12.2 it will only have some newer versions of software [20:04] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-131.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] deffd: so what are you running if not slack? [20:04] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.23.37) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Pig_Pen, yeah I know, it's just that I actually have gotten used to it. [20:04] hitest, ... [20:05] I *AM* running slack [20:05] I see [20:05] what is your friend running? [20:05] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] cmk_zzz_, debian lenny [20:06] the debian channel can't help? [20:06] running unstable? [20:06] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] hitest, with what? are you referring to the problems I had today? as I said, I am at the moment on slack [20:06] its not that a person is not smart enough to troubleshoot problems with slackware (or any other distro) it all depends on how much knowledge and learning you done about that particular distro, now dome debian guru knows more about dpkg than i do but maybe i know more about slackware's tools than he does and how /etc is set up [20:07] cmk_zzz_, my mate? no, he's got a stable version, whatever it is, I'm on slack 12.1 [20:07] deffd: nm. I'm joining the converstation late. [20:07] I thought that sid on debian was the unstable version [20:07] s/dome/some [20:07] I think lenny is stable [20:08] lenny is stable [20:08] deffd: Ok, but then it is perhaps not the best distro for newer version of packages. [20:08] deffd, what was your question about your slack installation? [20:09] lostnhell, earlier: quick question - I'm planning to reinstall slack. I'm deciding right now whether to choose -current or 12.2 - my question: will upgrading from -current to 13 be an easy task? or should I just go with 12.2? - but as you can see, I've since then made a few changes :) [20:10] deffd : rule of thumb: stick to the normal releases [20:11] deffd: why not wait a bit then do a clean install of 13.0 when released. [20:11] deffd, slackware-current is quite stable and had some newer packages I would recommend giving it a try [20:11] ananke, I'm sorry, 'normal releases'? normal = stable? [20:11] yep [20:12] deffd : by 'normal' i mean the numbered releases, which are considered the 'stable' ones. -current is for people who like to use more bleeding edge/unstable releases, and have the time/effort to keep up with changes [20:12] the only problems that I have had with current recently were when I tried to run it in virtualbox [20:12] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] deffd : -current is simply 'work in progress'. [20:13] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:13] hitest, I would, but one thing I will not dare do is do something big (like upgrading, or installing a new distro) while school is in session. I'm taking summer classes - if slack 13 isn't released before then, then I just won't do it. (I will not have free time after my summer classes to the point fall semester starts) [20:13] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] installing current is a piece of cake, and keeping it current is a simple as checking the changelog once a week [20:13] deffd: I understand. take your time. there is no rush. [20:14] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] -current hardly requires time or "effort" . maybe 10 minutes a week to update [20:15] that's 10 minutes a week. not counting possible problems introduced by new software. or major changes in libraries. [20:15] of course, not recommended if you don't know how to fix stuff, "just in case." but it's hardly heavy-maintenance [20:16] thrice`, I'm still rather new to linux, I'd just rather not have the headaches. I think I would definitely screw up somewhere along the way.. you saw the experiences I was having today :) [20:16] -current shouldn't be recommended to any newbies [20:17] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:17] you would be amazed by some of the tools that the hierarchy has setup to help us with slackware, it is far easier than many believe [20:18] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] 'hierarchy'? interesting choice of words there [20:18] I don't know what to call AlienBOB, rworkman and the others [20:18] perhaps 'the party' is better? [20:19] "The Controllers" is sufficient. [20:19] The Oppressors! [20:19] lostnhell : hierarchy means arrangement, setup, order. i don't think it fits here :) [20:19] Action: Dominian likes that one [20:19] hehe [20:19] "slaves" is best [20:20] If Pat is "The Man", then I will call the others "The Men" [20:20] Either that or "The bitches" [20:20] does Pat smack them around? [20:20] lol [20:21] chili_con_carne (n=chili@unaffiliated/nycjv321) left irc: "leaving" [20:22] he should! [20:22] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] lol [20:23] scubacuda (n=rog@rrcs-70-63-228-210.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:24] Action: Dominian has this weird picture in his mind of Pat and Crew.... [20:24] Dressed..... like the Village People.... [20:25] okay......that's just weird....lol [20:25] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:25] >.> [20:25] we don't need those images [20:25] Yeah.. now I'm going to have to go and watch a Weird Al video to get that picture out of my head.... [20:25] ha-ha [20:26] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] the Inner Party members ... they wear the black overalls. [20:30] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:34] what is the program called that downloads sbo packages and installs them automatically? [20:35] stealth-: slackpkg. [20:35] eviljames: that works with slack-build.org? [20:35] sbopkg [20:35] thrice`: thanks, is that supported here? [20:35] um, probably. but any slackbuilds questions should go to #slackbuilds [20:36] cool. I didnt know there was channel for that [20:36] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.150) joined ##slackware. [20:36] there is also #sbopkg if I remember correctly [20:37] Action: eviljames missed the 'sbo' part in his original request [20:37] Action: eviljames is only marginally literate. [20:37] antiwire: thanks for hint again [20:37] it works [20:37] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [20:37] Dominian: "He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life." -- Homer Simpson [20:37] eviljames: must be the canuck thing. ;) [20:38] Being marginally literate, or loving Weird Al? [20:38] Action: eviljames qualifies either way... [20:38] marginally literate [20:38] snowdonkeh (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] pupit: cool! [20:39] I'm happy to be marginally sentient [20:39] chopp: have you ever done the unfortunate job that is tech support? [20:39] hitest: are any of us marginally sentient, really? do we get more than a glimpse of all that is reality? [20:39] antiwire: how can i make to run in background, like, to not print on screen while booting? [20:39] beer makes me smarter......I see all [20:40] eviljames: that I know for a fact I couldn't do. I'd be hunting people down after work. :P [20:40] pupit: try add & after the command [20:40] antiwire: i did [20:40] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:40] redirect the output to null [20:40] add > /dev/null [20:40] chopp: Well, our definition of marginally literate is quite different from what it means in other parts of the world ;) [20:41] eviljames: sentient in the sense of being self-aware, moderately intelligent [20:41] gbonvehim: like: " /bin/bash something-like-command & /dev/null " [20:41] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] ? [20:42] something like 2> /dev/null [20:43] the & at the end [20:44] so: " /bin/bash something-like-command > /dev/null & " [20:44] that should do it, try using the command line first before you try it during boot :) [20:44] be careful not to fill up /dev/null over time [20:44] it's a serious issue [20:44] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.87.97) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:45] well, im learning :) thanks antiwire, gbonvehim. i appreciate :) [20:45] no problem, you're welcome [20:47] some news helicopter has been hovering over my neighborhood for 20 minutes [20:47] it's loud as all hell [20:48] :o [20:49] they are looking for you! [20:49] :P [20:49] hd (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:49] in my country, news agencies are lucky to have a wan with a satelite dish... [20:50] antiwire: you'll read about it in the paper tommarow [20:50] here, they have fleets of helicopters and fly them around like wasps [20:50] pupit: give me a break :) [20:50] whaats a good mame emulator for linux [20:50] :) [20:50] The-spiki: ur UP! [20:51] Action: Urchlay looks around [20:51] pupit: at least one owner of an news agency has several private airplanes though :) [20:51] name it? [20:52] Zeljko Mitrovic (Pink TV, Fashion TV) [20:52] pizzledizzle: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/sdlmame/ [20:52] ojg (n=ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:52] haha :) [20:52] now, it really sounds ridiculous :) [20:53] slackware disc 3 is just kdei, right? I am installing again on an old system with no DVD-ROM, but it is asking me to continue from disc 3 though I did not choose kdei... [20:53] im trying to compile a program from source, but when it gets to checking to sqlite3 it says it cant find "sqlite3_exec in -lsqlite3", but it found the component of sqlite that came before it and typing sqlite3 into the terminal works. Any ideas? [20:53] antiwire: I really have seen /dev/null get full (some genius rm'ed it, and after that ran something as root that wrote to it, creating it as a plain file...) [20:54] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.157.217.109) joined ##slackware. [20:54] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-132.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [20:54] eventually the root partition ran out of space [20:54] I have seen that but you cannot really call it 'dev/null getting full' [20:54] nah [20:55] not really... but it's sort-of the same thing [20:55] well damn i know what it was now [20:55] a stabbing [20:55] home take over stabbing [20:55] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) left ##slackware. [20:55] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) joined ##slackware. [20:56] new helicopters, but no police helicopters? [20:56] We only have Sheriff helicopters here [20:56] our PD has no heli [20:56] this is in the incorporated zone [20:56] where can you see a list of what is on each install disc without having to dl them and mount the iso? [20:57] but the news does... sorta like how Papa John's has 10x as many cars on the road as any hospital has ambulances [20:57] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] yep [20:57] it was an ABC channel 7 HD feed heli [20:58] dchmelik: one idea would be to find the .torrent for disk 3, load it up in a torrent client (which should give you a list of files) [20:58] dchmelik: or look in the isolinux/ dir on a slackware mirror, the scripts used to create the CDs should be there [20:59] great, thanks [20:59] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] \ [21:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [21:00] hm. isolinux/ tells you how to split it up, but doesn't say how the official CDs are split up [21:00] I am not sure the isolinux scripts list the CD files... they just do it [21:00] but I will check a torrent [21:01] http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/84325-2/Bowling_ball_ceiling_sprinkler.gif here is someone everyone wants on their bowling team [21:01] animated gif [21:01] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@c-71-232-100-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] oh the torrents page just lists everything [21:01] KDE is on disc 3, not 2. [21:02] ;ol; [21:02] typo [21:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:02] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:02] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Success [21:05] im trying to compile a program from source, but when it gets to checking to sqlite3 it says it cant find "sqlite3_exec in -lsqlite3", but it found the component of sqlite that came before it and typing sqlite3 into the terminal works. Any ideas? [21:06] the black stuff is anti fire chem or just rusty water? [21:07] _ahmina_ (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:08] gangsters [21:08] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-149-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] _ahmina_ (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:08] hi all, is it true there is a slackware64 that is not the same as slamd64? [21:09] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] berke: check slackware.com [21:09] do you have any idea how it is different from slamd64? [21:10] anyone here installed poptop on slack? [21:10] cause I have a amd-64 dual core, I wonder if its optimized [21:10] it is true, berke [21:12] Hello slackers [21:12] hi bkt5401 [21:12] hi [21:12] wow [21:12] Action: bkt5401 is actually hiptobecubic [21:12] where can I get IT ! I want it [21:13] does anyone know if its optimized for dual core? [21:14] berke, you can use alien's script to download the components and build an ISO.... http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [21:15] but isnt that slackware current and not slackware64 current? [21:15] berke, per what I have read it is pure 64-bit, but is structured so you can add 32-bit. It is working beautifully on my X2 4600+ [21:15] I am having issues with graphics drivers. My nvidia driver only detects my hardware right after i reinstall it. From a fresh boot, xorg fails to detect my hardware. if i kill xserver and rerun the installer, then all is well again. Any hypotheses? [21:15] Read the help on the script, just change the architecture and it will grab the 64 bit version of current [21:16] there are no isos available now? [21:16] bkt5401, have you verified that your xorg.conf is unchanged between the issues? [21:16] berke, that script will make the ISO(s) [21:17] lostnhell, of course not. [21:17] lostnhell, brb :) [21:17] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:17] ive never had to "make" and iso before, I always just downloaded one, what has changed, have we become gentoo? [21:17] are we expecting a new slack any day now? seems likeits about that time again. [21:18] berke, the script literally downloads all files and builds an installer ISO for you [21:18] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [21:20] Slackware64 is 'current,' not 'stable,' and there is never an ISO for current because it changes all the time. [21:20] SiegeX_iPh: when it is ready. I'm looking forward to this as well:) [21:21] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] lostnhell: can you point me to documentation on what to do with this, Im not sure what it means when it says the readme is in /extra when there is no /extra on the site they mention [21:24] berke, do you want to know how to use the script? [21:24] stealth-: have you checked config.log in the compile directory, after the failure? [21:24] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/ pick a mirror, goto your version then its in extra [21:25] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:25] from reading whats in this script it sounds like Im going to become a mirror, which doesnt exactly sound like what i want [21:25] stealth-: it should show exactly what ./configure was trying to do, and what error(s) happened [21:26] like its talking about making the script a cronjob [21:26] berke: yes, and if anyone breaks you they'll get 7 years' bad luck [21:26] you can make it a cron job, doesn't mean you *have* to [21:28] berke, you don't have to worry about a cron job, you can use it to mirror all current files and create an iso [21:29] I appreciate your help, but I just dont know what to even type [21:30] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [21:31] berke, sh mirror-slackware-current.sh -a x86_64 -o DVD -f -l /home/slackware-current -m slackware.mirrors.tds.net:slackware/ [21:32] berke: in that case, perhaps -current is not for you, just yet [21:32] berke, if you run sh mirrot-slackware-current.sh -h you will see all options [21:32] heck, if you just read the script you'll see all the options [21:32] I misspelled mirror, you know what I mean [21:33] yes [21:33] is slackware64 stable or is it just current? [21:34] it is current, but so far it appears to be quite stable to run [21:34] cause Ive heard current can be buggy [21:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [21:34] so Im downloading binaries then, not compiling from source? [21:35] yes, binaries [21:35] hmm, it says connection refused [21:35] the contents would be just like on the stable slackware DVD, you would be getting the binary packages, source and build scripts [21:36] but if you're that inexperienced with slackware, you might run into trouble running -current that you don't know how to get out of [21:36] that is true [21:36] deffd (n=few@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("::"). [21:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-248.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[21:42] I forgot a single character, this work [21:43] sh mirror-slackware-current.sh -a x86_64 -o DVD -f -l ~/slackware-current -m slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware/slackware64-current [21:43] kerberuz (n=acollin@201.86.240.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:44] kerberuz (n=acollin@201.86.240.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [21:44] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.157.217.109) left irc: Client Quit [21:45] and this will make an install dvd? thats pretty cool [21:45] do you by any chance know if they updated to the new xfce in this build? [21:46] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.157.251.217) joined ##slackware. [21:46] hd (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:46] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [21:47] berke, xfce-4.6.1 [21:47] nice [21:47] i just hope it still has amarok 1.4, I cannot stand amarok2.0 [21:48] 2.0 was a hige leap backwards [21:48] amarok 2.0.2, the only problem I have found so far is that lpackage does not work [21:48] s/hige/huge [21:49] you dont think it lost a lot of functionallity and replaced it with a terrible looking interface? [21:50] the interface sucks, but after feeling around you find some familiar parts... per the announcement 2.1.0 should be bring back many of the features that we like [21:50] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [21:52] i just cant fathom why they have to "bring them back" in the first place, it was awesome, why fix awesome? [21:52] that is my same argument with KDE4 [21:53] maybe they rewrote from scratch [21:53] FZR0 (n=FZR0@cpe-72-178-207-47.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:54] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-7.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] like, maybe the old codebase was so horrid and hacked-up that it was getting difficult/impossible to add new features to, and/or fix old bugs [21:54] (I don't follow amarok or kde development, so I don't know for sure, but that's what it sounds like to me) [21:54] like windows? [21:55] i feel that they just did a hack and slash to make it seem more like itunes [21:55] i would not want a audio or video player to get information on the internet about files on my PC, just think if the RIAA/MPAA finds a way to get that info and uses it against you [21:55] lymeca (n=lymeca@c-71-232-101-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:55] Pig_Pen: I agree.. though I do let CD rippers talk to freedb.org or whatever it's called [21:55] slashdot says the riaa sued lastfm for its user records and WON [21:56] in the vast majority of cases, if I'm ripping a CD, I own it... so what are they gonna do? [21:56] its nobodies business what i have on my pc, not even mine :D [21:56] Pig_Pen: encrypt your filesystems, using /dev/urandom for a key :) [21:57] i just dont use those types of apps, the filename is enough for me [21:57] filename and id3 tag [21:58] i dont even need an id3 tag, the filename is plenty [21:58] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:58] and maybe directory name... I prefer artist/album/01-whatever.mp3 (instead of the filename containing the artist and album name too) [21:58] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:59] catagorized is good [21:59] is it practical to have an encrypted filesystem? [21:59] yeah, and having 12 files that appear in a GUI as pink_floyd-ummagumma-...mp3 is annoying [22:00] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [22:00] berke: yes, some people in here do that [22:00] I ain't paranoid enough myself... [22:00] berke, in my opinion only fora netbook/laptop. for a desktop, just encrypt important files/folders. (be aware that some files will still make it to temp folders) [22:00] it doesnt slow down your system? [22:00] sure it does [22:00] you don't get something for nothing [22:00] if i had something like secrets for the military or some corperation i worked for then i would encrypt a disk partition that i stored files in [22:00] unless you have a box with a TPM chip [22:01] separate from the OS [22:01] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.157.251.217) left irc: Client Quit [22:01] well i just have a feeling the riaa is getting ready for another rally [22:01] % of my music is purchased [22:01] 75% [22:02] always wondered about that. I've got a ton of stuff I have no receipts for [22:02] berke, how is the dowload going? [22:02] in a lot of cases, bought CDs cheap at the used CD store, the riaa probably never saw a dime of it [22:02] soulstaker (i=souls@189.99.148.63) joined ##slackware. [22:02] the thing that makes me mad is that I bought albums, then lost them when my ipod crashed, I dont think I should have to pay for them again [22:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] bought from where [22:03] berke: that's why you'll never catch me paying for anything that doesn't come on some kind of physical medium [22:03] thats what i do, i look in yard sales, and the used cd bin at the used book store [22:04] and I always make it a point that if I really like some music I downloaded, I go buy the cd to give the artists some money [22:04] of course the same thing applies with that too... "I bought this CD, my ex-gf took it when she moved out, I shouldn't have to buy it again" [22:04] or maybe "I bought this on vinyl back in 1983, bought it again on cassette in 1990, not buying it again" [22:05] im so livid about the new dvd format change, I had 100 awesome vhs movies, then had to work for two years at getting the same collection on dvd's, now I gotta do it again? you gotta be kidding [22:05] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:05] what? DVDs?? when did this happen?? [22:06] its all blue ray from here on out dvd is dead as disco [22:07] i dont spend much on music and movies, i have bills to pay and need food & shelter [22:07] I don't - I love to starve in the rain :) [22:07] i buy books, and whatever I have left over I pay rent and buy food with [22:07] hysterio (n=hysterio@fwrdsl.netwaynetworks.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:07] berke : dvds will live a bit longer [22:07] blueray players are backwards-compatible with DVDs, aren't they? [22:08] yeah but the ultimate point is that we will all have to buy our movie collections over again [22:08] (and CDs too) [22:08] Urchlay : generally, no. [22:08] if not they should be [22:08] ananke: really? that's particularly lame [22:08] berke : 'will' is a strong word. you can keep your dvds [22:08] I mean the physical disc is the same size/shape, right? [22:09] Urchlay : yeah, it's close enough, but not close for them to be backwards compatible. [22:09] I believe the laser has different physical properties [22:09] i know some blue ray players can, but the whole point of winning a media format war is to preclude the other guy, so they wont carry dvd for very long, the main reason they bumped dvd was encryption wasnt good enough [22:09] betcha the technical problems aren't insoluble, or even all that difficult [22:10] I thought they bumped it for higher capacity media [22:10] build a PC with several large harddrives and a good video card, use vobcopy to rip your dvds to the drive, and use it as a multimedia player on a LCD HDTV, [22:10] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:10] Urchlay : it's not about technical problems, it's about having to have two different types of lasers. [22:10] it's about HD [22:10] lostnhell: are your eyes really good enough to see the higher resolution on a blueray movie? (mine aren't, but I'm going blind...) [22:10] http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_backwards_compatible [22:10] i understood the main concern was encryption, that dvd's are copied too easily [22:11] it's about HD [22:11] Urchlay, I can see the difference [22:11] DVD is not HD [22:11] the difference is quite obvious [22:11] depends on how you define "HD"... definitely DVD is higher definition than VHS [22:11] Well, the audio isn't as compressed, the resolution is higher. (you need an hdtv and good speakers/amp to notice.)... [22:11] yes, but it's not HD as currently used in the industry [22:11] as soon as the big media companies design a new encryption someone will find a crack for it in a short time [22:11] the difference may be obvious to you, but I'd have to look at the screen with a magnifying glass to see the difference [22:12] the irony there is that HD was also about encryption, the media networks are tired of their content being accessible and copied freely, this is the first step they are taking in locking up their media [22:12] Urchlay : HD as in 720p/i or 1080p/i. below doesn't count as HD [22:12] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:12] Urchlay: have you seen non-HD and HD side by side, and you can't tell a difference? [22:12] Urchlay : have you been to any store, where they have those side-by-side displays? [22:13] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [22:13] danc3: at normal viewing distance, I can't. Up close, I can... [22:13] Hmmm, i thought dvd was a storage protocol, HD and SD is defined by the codec not the media it is stored on? [22:13] i have question. what are the chances of blu-ray being cracked? [22:13] Urchlay: that's backwards... at distance you can see the difference even more [22:13] danc3: not if you're nearsighted [22:13] get some eyeglasses, I guess [22:13] yeah [22:14] but my point is, I don't care enough to pay extra for all new equipment [22:14] and new media [22:14] cmk_zzz_: a DVD doesn't have the capacity to store an HD movie [22:14] same here [22:14] I do [22:14] i am NOT buying all my art movies all over again [22:15] berke : then don't [22:15] got to have an HDTV, even if you don't want blu-ray... sports alone is reason enough. [22:15] as far as the audio goes... I grew up with scratchy vinyl records, and later cassette tape. DVD audio sounds fine to me (not perfect, but "good enough") [22:15] a lot of HDTVs now can also function as a PC monitor danc3 [22:15] Urchlay : there isn't much difference between dvd and blue-ray in that aspect. [22:15] bleah. I wish I could go to a bar and see actual hi-def sports. Instead I see $5000 HDTVs being fed an analog signal that's getting stretched horizontally, so a baseball looks like an egg [22:16] kunal, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/23/blu-ray_drm_cracked/ [22:16] Urchlay: you'd think different if you watched an action movie in Blu-ray, with 7.1 sound and THX enabled amplifier. [22:16] well dvd uses ac3 that is like 224kbps for the 5 channels. I don't know what blue ray uses [22:16] blu ray is digital sound [22:16] eh, they're both "digital sound" [22:17] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [22:17] dunno. I do know the sound is better from a Blu ray than it is from a DVD [22:17] danc3: It doesn't have the capacity to store a "full length" DVD movie but it can certainly store HD content. That has nothing to do with the underlying storage algorithm [22:17] danc3: eh, maybe it's just me. To do the home theater thing properly, you have to spend a ton of money, and it's just not important enough to me to spend all that cash on it [22:18] cmk_zzz_: I wasn't talking about any algorithms. I'm talking about the marketing aspect, and the fact that you can't sell an HD movie on a DVD. [22:18] I mean $10K or $15K to do it right, right? [22:18] because it won't fit. [22:18] Urchlay: probably [22:18] screw that [22:18] Urchlay : depends on your definition of 'right' [22:19] maybe somewhat less than that [22:19] sound is what's expensive. TV's are pretty cheap these days [22:19] even if it's $5K. Not worth it to me... [22:19] Urchlay : a normal 5.1/6.1 receiver + speakers + sub + hdtv [32"] + dvd player [or blueray] = less than $5k [22:19] 32" is a waste of time [22:20] for movie watching, at least [22:20] for the news, it might be OK [22:20] nothing is a waste of time, it all depends on the size of the room [22:20] you can get a decent 40" for well under $1K [22:20] more likely I'd spend that $5000 on computer junk and music stuff (bass & guitar, amps, studio stuff...) [22:20] buy me new rods for my motor [22:21] or, I dunno, buy a slightly less crappy car [22:21] and a new intake [22:21] (though if I spent $5000 on a car I'd be afraid to drive it anywhere, I tend to destroy them...) [22:22] I'll sell you an evo for 5k [22:22] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:22] Urchlay : of course, it's all relative to what you currently have. if all you have is a normal sdtv, 2 channel audio [maybe even using built-in speakers], a $500 investment would give you a nice upgrade in a form of surround sound [22:23] going from 2.0 to 5.1, when watching movies, makes a very noticable difference, and doesn't cost much [22:24] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [22:25] my take on it is that it won't help polishing a turd. Crap content in HD through surround sound is just more noticable crap [22:25] yeah [22:26] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [22:27] as I am mostly interested in the content, I am not prepared to update any equipment until they actually make any content that isn't complete and utter crap. The few good things that come out I don't mind going to the cinemas for [22:27] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [22:27] hi:) [22:27] cmk_zzz_ : content was never questioned [22:28] I thought the content was the whole point? [22:28] why else spend so much money on it? [22:29] maybe there's nothing left but that to spend money on? [22:29] unless you are a collector of equipment that lose value quicker than GM stock [22:29] dacn3: good point [22:29] cmk_zzz_ : sounds like what you're referring to as 'content' is highly subjective [22:30] ananke: yes, well. Obviously I can't speak for the rest of you. This is my subjective take on it. [22:30] cmk_zzz_ : we're not discussing artistic value of said content [22:30] eh, the artistic value is why it's worth spending money buying it and time watching it, though [22:31] unless you're one of those ultra-fake people who buys stuff to impress other people I guess [22:31] Urchlay : but we're not comparing the artistic aspects. we've been discussing the technological aspects [22:32] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:33] it's not about 'spinal tap' vs 'backstreet boys best hits' but 'cga' vs 'svga' [22:34] so, on technological aspects it is worth investing in new equipment for a couple of grands? [22:34] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:34] cmk_zzz_ : depends on what you currently have [22:34] I have a an old tube tv for 80 bucks [22:35] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:35] 29 inches though [22:35] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [22:35] I also have a 50 dollar DVD player which works [22:35] cmk_zzz_ : what else is in that setup? how are the other components connected to it? [22:35] ah ha! if you want links to work with the -g switch you have to rebuild and remove --without-x in the slackbuild [22:36] dvd cable goes into TV (rgb). power cords goes into wall socket (from tv and dvd). There is also a rgb connector to the game console [22:36] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [22:37] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:37] 'rgb' as in component? [22:37] rgb cable connector between DVD and TV [22:37] theblackerbox (n=sammo@93-97-223-69.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:38] he probably means "RCA"... [22:38] lol [22:38] cmk_zzz_ : describe that 'connector' [22:38] composite is the red, yellow, white. component is the r, g, b [22:38] yup [22:38] FZR0 : i thought there were some analog component standards with rgb [22:39] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:40] danc3: yes, i mean RCA. I don't care about the name. It has (r)ed (g)reen and b(lue) colours on it. I think rgb cable is a good name for it [22:40] well, then it's not an RCA connector [22:40] it's an RGB, as you said [22:40] cmk_zzz_ : there is a very big difference between RCA and component/composite :) [22:40] it's not the red/white/yellow cable ends? [22:41] well technically it is RCA connectors for both [22:41] component is YUV in the US though... think maybe Europe uses RGB [22:41] FZR0: true, but let's not confuse him... [22:41] sadly my TV-out card only does s-video or composite, not component [22:41] FZR0 : true, but commonly rca refers to the other stuff :) [22:41] yes, when ppl think of RCA they are thinking of composite [22:42] hm. My TV's got RCA jacks for composite and component too [22:42] danc3: Lets not put me down shall we? [22:42] (3 of them for component, one each for the 2 composite inputs) [22:42] heh [22:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:43] the TVs firmware seems to think it has 2 s-video jacks too, but there's only one (which shows up as "SVHS 2" on screen, go figure) [22:43] where can I get a RJ-45 to RCA connector? [22:43] j/k [22:43] Oh, and I have a SCART connector too [22:43] hysterio (n=hysterio@fwrdsl.netwaynetworks.com.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:44] cmk_zzz_ : in terms of video signal, you're doing ok. at that point the quality of the tv itself would matter most [22:44] how long does this script take to execute? [22:44] yes, in fact there is no point in anything higher than component video cables for DVD's. [22:45] cmk_zzz_ : so the next thing is audio, do you use built-in speakers? [22:45] what about HDMI? [22:45] FZR0: HDMI is of no benefit for DVD playback [22:45] DVD is not HD [22:45] FZR0 : for regular dvds it wouldn't matter [22:45] soulstaker (i=souls@189.99.148.63) left ##slackware. [22:45] ananke: Yes, built-in speakers it is! and they work too! Might even be stereo [22:46] HDMI cables are only useful for HDTV or Blu-Ray players [22:46] cmk_zzz_ : so that's where you'd get the biggest bang for the buck. for $200-$300 you could get a 5.1 sound system [22:47] berke: the mirror-current script? depends how fast your internet connection is [22:48] can you upscale on an HDTV with component? [22:48] ananke: ok, are there wireless onces? [22:49] s/onces/ones/g [22:49] cmk_zzz_ : sure, but that unfortunately will cost you much more. [22:49] im downloading at 400K/sec, and its been going solid for over an hour now [22:50] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:51] i should probly package up this dvd.iso into a torrent and seed it out [22:52] im excited for the new xfce [22:52] where do I look to see the package list for slackware64 so I can see which version of amarok they have? [22:52] any decent mirror will have it [22:53] it should not take over an hour. you probably forgot to exclude source/ and such [22:53] damn, its amarok 2.0.2 [22:55] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) joined ##slackware. [22:55] thrice`: will that mess up my iso compile? [22:56] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:57] anyone using vbox 2.2.4 and have xp as a guest? if so, are you able to disable the network device (in the guest) without error? [22:57] amarok isn't that deprecated :/ ? [23:00] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:01] how annoying. now i remember why i stayed with 2.1.4. i like to keep the guest on at all times, but without an internet connection unless i need it. in 2.2.4, if the guest starts without a connection and i enable the network device, vbox is forced to close. [23:04] argh. Where do GTK apps get the idea that I want deleted files to really be moved to ~/.local/Trash instead of deleted, and is there a way to change it? [23:07] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:07] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.159.133.2) joined ##slackware. [23:08] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [23:10] Urchlay: shift+delete [23:11] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [23:12] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] rworkman: no chance of a config file setting so I don't have to remember to do that? [23:14] Urchlay: gnome, right? fat chance [23:14] make ~/.local/Trash a symlink to /dev/null [23:14] I mean I ran "rm -rf .local ; touch .local ; chmod 000 .local" and that works [23:14] mmlj4: no, just GTK [23:14] no gnome on this box at all [23:14] ah. [23:14] transmission torrent client, only uses GTK. I have no idea where (in the absence of gnome) I would set the "really delete stuff" setting [23:16] Plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [23:17] that symlink wont work [23:17] what I'm doing now does work, it just seems like not the right way to do it [23:17] well that was weird. i removed 2.2.4, installed 2.1.4, enabled the network device in the guest, removed 2.1.4, installed 2.2.4, and now i can enable or disable the network device without any problems. :) [23:18] maybe I'm making a wrong assumption: maybe it's not GTK that's doing it, maybe it's the app itself (transmission) [23:18] maybe you had old virtualbox additions installed [23:18] in the guest [23:19] i didn't install guest additions after i installed 2.2.4. everything seems dandy so far [23:19] hi folks when i exec locale i see my conf but from where read that info? i dont get /etc/default/locale [23:20] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:21] FZR0 (n=FZR0@cpe-72-178-207-47.stx.res.rr.com) left irc: "BBL" [23:22] hm. trashed = g_file_trash( file, NULL, &err ); <--- looks like a glib call [23:22] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.23.37) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:24] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:24] http://www.matasano.com/log/1749/typing-the-letters-a-e-s-into-your-code-youre-doing-it-wrong/ [23:24] Urchlay: not that I'm aware [23:25] http://library.gnome.org/devel/gio/unstable/GFile.html#g-file-trash <--- that's what it's doing [23:25] im trying to compile a program from source, but when it gets to checking to sqlite3 it says it cant find "sqlite3_exec in -lsqlite3", but it found the component of sqlite that came before it and typing sqlite3 into the terminal works. Any ideas? I took part of my config.log and pastebin'ed it, it looked to be the part that had the error. www.pastebin.com/d793fa7e [23:25] you'd think the developer docs might possibly tell you how & where the trashcan directory gets set... [23:25] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:26] is it just me or is that paste totally empty? [23:27] oh... [23:27] * Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted [23:27] sorry, one sec [23:28] this mirror script has taken 2 hours now, should i kill it? [23:28] thats wierd :( It works from my laptop but no where else.... [23:28] slKIvs (n=ivan@108.103.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [23:29] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] ill try pasting it again :/ [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] Action: Urchlay is tempted to hack up the glib2 sources to permanently get rid of the "trash can" directory [23:31] http://pastebin.com/m3a15cc42 [23:31] the line numbers kinda got caught in there, though [23:32] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-83-236.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] # [23:32] /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.2.4/../../../libsqlite3.so: undefined reference to `dlsym' [23:32] it ran configure:29400: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lsqlite3 >&5, apparently it needed a -ldl too [23:32] what about it? [23:32] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:33] um.... sorry but that makes no sense to me, but how could I fix that? [23:33] edit the configure file? [23:33] if there's a way to explicitly tell ./configure what cflags/ldflags to use for linking sqlite, that's where you're do it [23:34] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:34] possibly you could run LDFLAGS="-ldl" ./configure (not really the best way to go about doing it, but might work) [23:35] k, its running now, ill see if it works [23:35] hm. Is it using pkg-config to find the correct flags for sqlite? [23:35] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.51.60) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:35] yes [23:36] I thought we (Slackware and SBo) hacked the sqlite pc file to add that -ldl [23:36] on my -current box: $ pkg-config --libs sqlite3 [23:36] -lsqlite3 -ldl [23:36] stealth-: what version Slackware are you running again? [23:36] Urchlay: the latest, 12.2 [23:36] liberty $ grep 'Libs:' /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/sqlite3.pc [23:36] Libs: -L${libdir} -lsqlite3 -ldl [23:37] stealth-: run one of those commands (mine or rworkman's) [23:37] Urchlay: I dont think its using pkg-config, but it appears to be working now. it exited differently this time and gave me a MD5 [23:37] Weird [23:37] thats the first command Urchlay gave me that did that [23:37] stealth-: that's with 'LDFLAGS="-ldl" configure'? [23:38] yes [23:38] That makes sense [23:38] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) joined ##slackware. [23:38] It's not using pkgconfig to get that info, and it should be [23:39] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-248.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [23:39] is there a way to force it to? its not a slackware package, Im compiling software from source. [23:39] What is it? [23:39] stealth-: find the maintainer of the software, force him to fix it? [23:40] liquid war 6 beta [23:40] (usually, asking nicely will work better though) [23:40] stealth-: sexual persuasion works better on the maintainers [23:40] Oh, yeah, mail the devs. I'm not bothering with a game. [23:40] Urchlay: okay, its an amazing game so I think ill will track him down. [23:40] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [23:40] "Your army is a blob of liquid and you have to try and eat your opponents." <--- that sounds like fun [23:41] haha [23:41] am I looking at the right thing here? [23:41] its a really innovative strategy game, works great on slow machines [23:41] I wouldnt play it on my desktop, but on a slow laptop I have different standards [23:42] yeah, thats right Urchlay [23:42] anyways, thanks guys. [23:42] if it compiles OK with that LDFLAGS trickery, it still might be worth mentioning it to the upstream devs [23:43] cause you won't be the only one having this problem [23:43] Urchlay: im going to try it now. forgive this noob question, but what do you mean "upstream" devs? like, the people who work on slackware? [23:43] like, the people who work on liquidwar [23:44] oh, okay. I got confused cause there is only one developer (I think) [23:44] the issue is with their configure stuff, not with slackware [23:44] wonder why a silly game needs sqlite anyway? for storing high scores? seems overkill [23:45] im still not sure what sqlite is for.... [23:45] lol [23:45] it's an embeddable database engine [23:46] I kinda assumed. hm.... might be used to control the instructions of each individual pixel (army soldier)? [23:46] severely doubt that [23:46] I cant think of any other way, cause the game doesnt even use a high scoring table, or really any scoring system at all. [23:47] well, actually this is the new version so Im not familiar with it [23:49] it's used in src/lib/p2p (but it isn't documented exactly that that's for) [23:50] When someone builds a webserver that has a database backend, how does the communication between the clients accessing the httpd, the httpd itself, and the db work? Does the db have an account setup for the httpd? [23:50] antiwire: well, usually it's an account per application [23:50] but yeah, basically you got it [23:52] When I first installed, i used a cd-rw drive. i took it out and put in a dvd drive. on a fresh install, in fstab the dvd drive was not listed but had /dev/cdrom [23:52] now im trying to mount the dvd but i dont have any permissions. [23:52] dyn0myt3: /dev/cdrom is just a name (you could rename it to /dev/dvd or /dev/cookies_and_milk) [23:53] you're trying to mount it as your user, or as root? [23:54] user [23:54] make sure it works as root, before you go trying to get it working as anyone else [23:54] k [23:54] brb [23:55] is your user in the cdrom group? (run "groups" or "id" as yourself, see if "cdrom" shows up in the output) [23:58] yes it does [23:59] Rather than trying to explain the error message (obviously you can't, because if you understood it, you wouldn't be here), how about tell us what it is? [23:59] im just trying to mount the dvd, no errors yet. [00:00] --- Fri Jun 5 2009