[00:00] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:01] wow, that gave me my list [00:01] hmm thx [00:01] now i need to mount it [00:01] ******* [00:02] ,,,fdisk -l thank y [00:02] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:04] beerkid (beerkid@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] edthix (ed@124.13.34.207) left ##slackware. [00:06] Nick change: WireWulf -> WireWulf-away [00:08] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:09] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:09] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [00:11] ,,,, http://pastebin.com [00:11] rocks [00:11] god i love that site [00:12] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:13] Cann0n_ (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:16] g*d d** it [00:16] as an atheist i find your use of the g word extremely offensive [00:17] what ever, i'm frustrated mounting this drive [00:17] and i didnt spell it out [00:18] mount -t [00:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:20] firefoxfix (~4cf01945@gateway/web/freenode/x-lbhjzwynveacgnkv) joined ##slackware. [00:21] as a completely annoying bastard, I find your use of "the" extremely offensive! [00:21] hello, does anyone know why firefox looks like crap in kde4 with slackware 13.1 ?? [00:21] it looks GTK 1 [00:21] Everything looks like crap in KDE4. [00:22] Install the GTK2 libs and it'll use them. [00:22] ? [00:22] try xfce or fluxbox [00:22] i did a full install [00:22] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:23] package name: gtk+2 [00:23] Install it and any deps. [00:24] You might need to get the proper GNOME libs from GNOME SlackBuild. [00:24] gsb.sf.net [00:25] firefoxfix_ (~4cf01945@gateway/web/freenode/x-zdfawnpklpljmidv) joined ##slackware. [00:25] nickals (~nickals@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:25] yeah it looks okay in xfce4 [00:26] love how the "switch sessions" thing shuts down your first session [00:26] ok kde4 blows :D [00:26] nickals (~nickals@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [00:26] tolja. [00:26] eheh [00:27] firefoxfix (~4cf01945@gateway/web/freenode/x-lbhjzwynveacgnkv) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:27] firefoxfix_ (~4cf01945@gateway/web/freenode/x-zdfawnpklpljmidv) left irc: Client Quit [00:28] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:29] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [00:29] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [00:30] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:31] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:31] no, < > right [00:32] just the names ? [00:33] Nick change: Cann0n_ -> Cann0n [00:37] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:38] Gskyline (~Gskyline@201-42-154-169.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:38] packetrat (~packetrat@adsl-68-255-6-147.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("I guess i had to go to that place to get to this one...."). [00:40] can i please send my pastevin page to someone ?? [00:40] vee vant to see your pastevin [00:40] linux lvm filesystem [00:40] http://pastebin.com/tQZJ6mvZ [00:40] thx y [00:41] l volume manager [00:41] ? [00:41] i know its sdb1 [00:41] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [00:41] having issues mounting it [00:41] dive: clementine is up to 0.3. might want to update the sbo/ [00:41] right. so what's the question? [00:42] ahh.. did you do pvcreate/vgcreate/lvcreate ? [00:42] ??? you asking me [00:43] yes [00:43] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:43] pvcreate ?? [00:43] then no [00:43] a partition type 8e is not directly mountable [00:44] 8e ? mean [00:44] that flags the partition as being a physical volume in an lvm set [00:44] line 16 of your pastebin [00:45] 5th column [00:45] if you don't know what lvm is all about it's a safe bet you don't need it [00:45] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:46] can i reformate it to rewrite ? [00:46] or easyer [00:46] was there anything on that 300GB drive you wanted to keep? [00:47] umm, can i reformate that drive from lvm [00:47] your questions aren't making any sense [00:47] at this point i don't care about saving anything [00:47] srry, just thinking of my options [00:48] was that drive salvaged from somewhere & it just 'happened' to be set with a partition type 8e or did you do it on purpose? [00:49] damn i just did,,, mount -t linux /dev/sdb1 /media/hd1 [00:49] didn't work [00:49] unless you plan on adding drives at some point in the future & growing the lvm, there's really no point in using lvm at all [00:49] it won't work [00:50] a partition type 8e is not directly mountable [00:50] ,,,, mount -t lvm /dev/sdb1 /media/hd1 [00:50] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Be excellent to each other. [00:50] that didnt work either\ [00:50] kick up fdisk, change partition type to 83, format to the filesystem type of your choice, then try mounting /dev/sdb1 [00:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:51] lvm is an abstraction layer _below_ the filesystem. that's why you can't directly mount an lvm partition [00:51] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A7F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:52] /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/LVM-HOWTO [00:53] here's a crude, but real life example [00:53] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-78-118.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:53] I have 2 320GB drives in my server. I wanted them to look like a single 640GB drive [00:54] gimme a sec to figure out pastebin. haven't used it before [00:55] jawsh569 (~jawsh569@adsl-75-23-64-71.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] ok [00:55] Hi [00:55] sup, jawsh [00:55] .. [00:56] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:57] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [00:57] http://pastebin.com/GN3j25Nd [00:59] note that the _partititons_ are /dev/sdb1 & /dev/sdc1, but the _mountable filesystem_ is /dev/vg/data [00:59] thats crazy. [01:00] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [01:00] I got a bit fancy at lines 25 & 26 because the drives are quite different in speed. sdb is a 3.5" drive & sdc is a 2.5" laptop drive in an adapter harness [01:00] would be better off formatting to an easier filesystem i'd think. [01:00] jawsh569: indeed [01:00] lol agreed [01:00] 'easier filesystem'? [01:01] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:01] juice (~juice@67.48.16.165) joined ##slackware. [01:01] i'm just tryin to help buzzin out on the phone. I didn't under stand why it's lvm and not easily mountable. [01:03] alphageek: easier configuration [01:03] for who? him or me? [01:03] you [01:03] Action: ut grins [01:03] pray enlighten me [01:04] because, you're the one who's helping him [01:04] i'm not helping anyone. i can't even seem to figure out how to get around compiliation errors [01:05] Action: ut has to stay away from pronouns in irc channels [01:06] lol [01:06] alphageek: what does the -l 100%FREE mean? [01:06] I have to admit, I love the half-assed criticism.. "you could have done it better", then the critic shuts up [01:06] it's blank [01:06] ang: use all available space [01:07] o m g [01:07] alphageek: i'm no pro, but normally i slpit up my partitions [01:07] like, /home, /boot, /var, /, etc etc [01:07] i can't figure out how that drive is, lvm [01:07] instead of one big one. i'm not savvy with lvm though [01:08] I do, but in a somewhat odd way. I have a separate physical drive for swap & /, then for machines hosting large amounts of data (my home server & its backup), I have a separate /data/ partition [01:08] I don't subscribe to the "let's see how many partitions we can spread the install across" view [01:09] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:09] i love lvm. [01:09] in this machine, for example, I have 2 drives: 60GB as swap & /, 1TB as /data/ [01:10] spook: why? i never got into it. [01:10] hehe suscribe to [01:10] alphageek: i do that for function purposes, not to be cool. [01:10] its really useful for me with virtual machines and growing partitions [01:11] I'm a big believer in KISS (not their music :)). I can play musical drives in case of hardware failure & still get at my data [01:11] "the man who dies with the most partitions...wins" [01:11] I kidd [01:11] alphageek: on my disk arrays, me too, as i run lvm on top of raid [01:11] with backups to another machine [01:12] I've not experimented in that direction [01:13] google-code is slower than it should be [01:13] I'm happy with my existing setup. full system backups every 24 hours from 2 machines (one at 00:00, other at 12:00). I can completely lose any machine here, including either of the ones handling backups, & only lose a max of 24 hours worth of data [01:13] rsync ftw [01:14] Action: ut is moving in that direction, needs to buy more hdds and organize files a bit better [01:14] rsync is tits [01:14] 5 systems, 7 days worth = 35 full rotated backups. depending on how much changes per day, each cycle takes between 5 & 20 minutes to do all 5 machines [01:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] i can only lose data from theft of my working machine, an even then its still a only a few hours. rsnapshot ftw [01:15] what do you do with all that computing power alphageek? [01:15] not a whole lot of 'power' here, actually [01:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [01:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [01:16] dont get me wrong, theres not much of an organising principle to my files but they are backed up :) [01:16] well, what do you do with that other than run up a power bill? [01:16] mrcarrot (1000@86-60-156-248-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [01:16] spook: lol [01:16] Nick change: juan--d-_-b -> juangvp [01:17] speaking of backing up, i might bring my other laptop into town tomorrow so i can get all my friggin music off of it [01:17] and porn [01:17] across the 5 machines: athlon xp-m 2400+ (combination workstation & secondary server), atom n450+ (my netbook), smp p3/500 oc'd 560 (server), p4/2.4 (roomer's workstation), k6/300 (routerbox) [01:17] no point in downloading porno's twice on dial-up [01:17] : 0 [01:18] all the machines serve a purpose. there's actually 1 other machine here, but it's a winxp laptop (the gf's) so I don't count it [01:18] alphageek: what do you host on your servers? [01:18] i'm just wondering [01:18] LOL [01:18] man, i'd have her ass on linux [01:18] pr0n [01:18] publicly: my vanity website, slack mirror, custom slack packages [01:19] on the lan only: music, assorted movies, porn, misc junk [01:19] sweet sweet. [01:19] my uncle needs to set up a server [01:19] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:19] I tried getting her to use linux. much like trying to teach a pig to dance: it wastes your time & annoys the pig [01:19] he has over 500 GB of movies [01:20] hahah ah h ha [01:20] LOL [01:20] I've actually cut down on the number of machines running here [01:21] good one alphageek [01:21] s'no good trying to get people on linux when they're not into it. [01:21] "Jack, how do i get on myspace???" "click firefox" "what is firefox? where is explorer" [01:21] at some point, the routerbox's functionality will be folded into the server's & the roomer's workstation will come down (he doesn't use it all that often nowadays) [01:22] http://www.replacementlaptopkeys.com/ [01:22] gotta get me o new acer space bar [01:22] One of my old laptops went through two whole keyboards. [01:22] I'd love to get the equivalent of a das keyboard (all black) for my netbook [01:23] The second keyboard was worn smooth before the cpu fan died. [01:23] That keyboard was basically like that. [01:23] I've found that having no 'cheat codes' on a keyboard is the surest way to get people to _not_ touch your computer [01:23] Action: ut grins [01:24] alphageek: taht or go dvorak [01:24] i wonder if sandpaper woudl do it [01:24] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:24] hell, the only time I look at my keyboard is to peek at the LEDs to see if I accidently tripped on caps/num/scroll lock [01:24] ut: it does [01:25] i look at mine a lot because they way i sit. but i don't have to look at the keys to type [01:25] I tried dvorak. too late, unfortunately. it actually _hurt_ my fingers/hands trying to learn it [01:25] Action: alphageek learned to touch type ~30 years ago [01:25] yeah.. hand me my cane [01:25] i even went as far with dvorak to rearrange my keys to match the layout AND i took a red hot screw driver to put the homekey nipples [01:25] Nick change: juangvp -> juan--d-_-b [01:25] Action: ut tried dvorak but got sick of trying to play games with it, and of using other computers and other programs [01:26] Action: ut swapped keycaps on his model m and left them there [01:26] clear nail polish works for making replacement home row nubs [01:26] ut: just gotta configure the keys. i use a nostromo n50 and flight stick for all my games [01:26] the configuration burden is significant [01:27] oh, I had fun with my model m. I took all the keycaps off, dumped them in a plastic collander, shook it for a few seconds, randomly grabbed & replaced the keycaps [01:27] way better than aoe, and a mouse [01:27] that _really_ fucked with my roomate at the time :) [01:27] LOL [01:27] heheh [01:27] alphageek, and who says typing class is a waste of time :) [01:28] I certainly don't [01:28] i was fighting a monster on Diablo 2 LoD in hardcore mode and it lagged and i died... hardcore = death = end of your character [01:28] my sister and I took typing in summer school between middle and high school [01:28] much like home ec, it was also the class that had a rather high girl:guy ratio. I loved both [01:28] i used a potion and everything... got so mad, i slapped the keyboard on the monitor and spit keys EVERYWHERE [01:28] of course, that was before computers, so we learned on manuals and ibm selectrics [01:29] I learned my own way, but rarely look at the keys [01:29] alisonken1noc :) [01:29] http://www.applelinks.com/reviews/gifs/n50a.jpg [01:29] learning on manuals was both a blessing & a curse. after a while you could do HULK SMASH! with your pinkies [01:29] i use that a lot [01:30] it has 3 different colors to "shift" to [01:30] i took a typing class, but didn't really learn to type until i spent a while in irc [01:31] it's amazing how & when things pay off, eh? [01:32] not really. i wish i learned dvorak 15 years ago [01:32] that much better? [01:32] Action: ut didn't notice much of a difference, himself [01:33] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.44.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:33] it's faster and easier and hurts less after a day of typing [01:33] yall see that n50? [01:34] maybe i just don't type as much. it felt about the same in terms of comfort and speed to me. [01:34] a keypad for function keys? [01:34] http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa297/aoyamamotokochan/5451a5d0.jpg [01:34] http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa297/aoyamamotokochan/4f442bf5.jpg [01:34] There's the keyboard. [01:34] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.70) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:34] You can see the shift key is really worn. [01:35] It's actually indented [01:35] Arno[Slack] (~arno@81.57.177.108) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:35] ut: you can set the keys to what ever [01:36] Motoko-chan: how do you use right shift that much? [01:36] you have 10 keys and 3 levels of shift, totaling in 40 different buttons [01:36] Motoko-chan: yeah dude, i use left shift like... 80% [01:36] just because i cot a bad habbit of hitting enter [01:36] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:37] ut, dunno [01:37] My current laptop isn't as worn. It's only about a year old though. [01:37] That's my old, broken, T30 [01:37] what model's your newer laptop? is the keyboard as good? [01:38] jspider1010 (~spider101@155.sub-174-218-160.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [01:38] It's an HP dv5. [01:38] oh. [01:38] It's not bad as far as laptop keyboards go. [01:39] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [01:39] Action: ut has a macbook, doesn't appreciate the undifferentiated function keys [01:39] good morning lads [01:40] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. 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[02:20] theres a bunch of stuff in xap/ that can play audio files, audacious,mplayer,xmms,gxine,xine-gui etc [02:20] theres also some non graphical ones in ap/ [02:20] briareus: there are in ap/ too [02:20] hah [02:20] hi sahko :) [02:21] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:21] hi [02:21] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@95.105.45.213) joined ##slackware. [02:22] he [02:23] thanks [02:23] this might sound like a crazy follow up question, but how does on search xap/ ap/ ? [02:24] ls [02:24] ... [02:24] or http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/ [02:25] or if you setup slackpkg "slackpkg search audio" [02:25] lol [02:25] it happens [02:25] I just ran locate xap and find a /var/cache/packages/slackware/xap ? [02:25] well, that's what you have installed already [02:26] IOW /var/cache/packages/ and /var/log/packages/ is where slackware keeps installed stuff (the slackware version of rpm manager db) [02:26] that's the only dir bnamed xap I find [02:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [02:27] Cann0n: here it is: http://sprunge.us/fHDc [02:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:28] briareus, did you go to the link I posted? that's the online mirror for what's on a slackware dvd [02:29] there now, but aren't these dirs on my system ? [02:29] no - that's the layout of the installation dvd/cds - not the layout of an installed system [02:29] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.95) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [02:30] for installation, the packages are grouped by functionality - on your computer, the layout is for operations [02:30] ok [02:31] so unless you have a local repository (copy of the cd sets/dvd on your hard drive) you won't see the layout that way [02:31] ok [02:31] aww, everyone left [02:31] no - just ignoring us [02:31] haven't had that many players on at the same time for rather a while. quite fun [02:31] you'd think they actually have a life or something [02:32] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:32] spook :) [02:32] for those who didn't catch on.. nazgul == alphageek [02:32] heh [02:32] except I'm at work and can't login :) [02:33] considering how I tend to base rape, that seems an appropriate gaming nick [02:35] s/base// [02:36] Action: alphageek loves sneaking into the enemy base, drop a teleport pad, teleport out & back in again with an inventory station, then out & in one last time in titan armour with widowmaker, solar flare, mortar storm, & whatever else feels good at the time [02:36] ka-f'k'n-boom! [02:36] Cann0n: heh [02:37] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-223.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:38] ok, so, I installed amarok. it starts up, splash screen, then disappears. Apparently it is running, because trying a new instance from cli says "it is running!", and I find that it is "minimized to teh system tray", but here in fluxbox, I see nothing. But its running. ?? [02:38] briareus 28554 2.4 3.4 166652 70632 ? Sl 23:35 0:02 amarok [02:39] briareus: amarok and it's cousin clementine will give you errors out the wazoo [02:39] briareus, amarok minimizes to tray [02:39] visually, I see nothing. I have no icons, and its not on my titlebar [02:39] alisonken1noc: what is a tray in fluxbox? [02:39] lots and lots and lots of errors [02:39] ok - don't know about fluxbox [02:39] Cann0n: I already am confuzzled by its ability to minimize to some place I cannot even find it [02:40] anything I open on my desktop, I see it iconified on the fluxbox titlebar. I see a pidgin icon right now up there. But no amarok, yet it is running. [02:40] Cann0n: can you recommend another gui (perhaps non-K) audio player? [02:40] briareus: i've used amarok in 12.2 then switched to audacious [02:41] xmms is tried & true. audacious if you liek that flavour but want something newer [02:41] s,liek,like, [02:41] mpd, because thats not what you asked for. [02:41] spook: mpd is what I run every day :) [02:41] amarok is "heavy' [02:41] and you can connect countless things to it. [02:41] spook: but I was looking for a guified one. I tend to commandline everything [02:41] briareus: does a webpage count? [02:42] spook: yeah, I have a bunch of little conkies for mpd [02:42] spook: a webpage that plays my hdd music? sure [02:42] so use a http server controller for mpd. [02:43] OH THERE it is! amarok cleverly used an all-black icon on my all-black desktop. just a square of black on black. Helpful. [02:43] oo, looks like a good map's up. quick smoke then back in to play [02:44] a good smoke always helps before the slaughter [02:44] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [02:45] yep [02:45] arrite, carnage time [02:45] what are you playing? [02:45] BZflag? [02:45] tribes 2 [02:45] oh [02:45] dunno what tribes is [02:46] heard of it, but have never played it or seen it [02:46] enjoy! [02:49] briareus: i would suggest mocp. Its way more practical than any gui player out there. And it just plays music. Simple stuff [02:49] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:51] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [02:52] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [02:52] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. 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[03:26] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:28] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:28] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [03:28] good morning [03:29] Action: mrcarrot is installing win7 for a customer wishing he could instead play with *nix [03:30] let him know that win7 brought back the old classic winnuke due to popular acclaim... [03:30] maybe that'll lift his spirits [03:30] he would not know what winnuke is.... [03:31] google knows [03:32] to be fair to ms, win7 is not all bad. but i think it was too little too late... [03:33] i think it is bad... look how much space it is taking and what do you get? nothing. ie, paint and wordpad! [03:34] and it is slow unless you spend time on cleaning out all the excess from it [03:34] the user interface is very bad [03:34] nothing like windowmaker [03:34] anyone know how to make a mounted drive show up on the left payne in thunar? [03:35] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.101.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:35] as a seperate drive [03:35] i am not using xfce, but it should do it automatically, jawsh569 [03:35] under filesystem [03:35] why shoudl it do it automatically? [03:36] last time i tried xfce it did it automatically for me [03:36] thunar doesn't have that as a preset, it shows your homedir, trash, desktop, and /; and any shortcuts [03:36] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.126.51) joined ##slackware. [03:37] yea, i was tryin to figure out how to make it show up under there. if you put a cd in your cd drive it shows up under there. [03:37] then the usb stick should also show up there, unless something is strange with your stick [03:38] it's a hard drive [03:38] i mean, as it is working for the cd [03:38] i created a directory in /media called datadrive and mounted the drive to /media/datadrive and it doesn't show up in thunar as a shortcut on the left side. [03:38] oops, mrcarrot, you're right, it will show up as long as xfce's interface picks it up [03:39] does it show up as an icon on the desktop? [03:39] no [03:39] jawsh569: put it in /mnt [03:39] Settings->removable drives & media [03:39] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Quit: gogie [03:39] I thought about putting it in /mnt [03:40] is it only that drive? does it autodetect other drives and flash sticks? [03:41] or is it not showing up cause I didn't add a line in fstab? [03:41] no, that's not it [03:41] it should appear even if it is not mounted [03:41] jawsh569: what fs is on that drive? [03:41] and when you click on it, it automatically mounts it [03:41] ext3 [03:42] is Thunar running as a daemon? [03:42] mancha: it autodetects other devices like flash sticks and cdroms etc.. [03:42] I wouldn't think it is. [03:42] very weird... [03:43] what does dmesg show when you plug in the drive? [03:43] i'm tryin to help a friend. I usually mount my drives to /home/username [03:43] jawsh569: what kind of a drive is that? sata - pata? [03:43] usb? [03:43] i have never had to try this. I searched and haven't found anything [03:43] sata [03:44] a quick solution is to use dolphin.... [03:44] i would think it would just have to be mounted to the correct path to make it show up as a shortcut under "file system" [03:44] mrcarrot: haha [03:44] :) [03:44] :P [03:45] ok, well if hal doesn't pick up on the hotplug then it won't be able to send the message to xfce... [03:45] sorry, i just can't get myself to use kde =p [03:46] i am not using kde either, but some programs from kde [03:46] mancha: ok i'l dig into that [03:46] most i do in a terminal from windowmaker [03:46] i don't even want any kde programs on my machine ;) [03:46] jawsh569: unplug the drive, then 1. plug in the power cable, 2. the data cable [03:46] i'm prettymuch xfce and fluxbox [03:47] dmesg [03:47] i prefer kde programs over gtk as qt prorgams seams to take less memory and still having more good functions... and still also more stable [03:47] interesting [03:47] Srbo_ (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:47] Srbo_ (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [03:48] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:48] Nick change: Srbo_ -> Srbo [03:48] still i have to use a few gtk programs.. firefox, inkscape and gimp [03:49] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.70) joined ##slackware. [03:49] and gimp is probably the last program that will switch tookit... as gtk stands for gimp tool kit [03:49] but still i wish all of them would use qt [03:49] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-097-185.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:52] as a hint for those using blackbox, fluxbox, windowmaker etc... try out menumaker! [03:52] it saves a lot of time [03:52] I likeTH the fluxbox [03:53] then it is taking just a few minutes to get nice menus... as most programs are right placed in a nice menu [03:53] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:53] just to move a few [03:53] http://menumaker.sourceforge.net/ [03:54] I was lookin at menumaker a couple of months ago.. [03:54] i am using it at each new installation [03:54] I'l have to try it out.. [03:54] because it takes a lot of time to add programs manually to fluxbox or windowmaker or whatever you run [03:55] it sure does ;) [03:59] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:00] i pretty much use the menu menumaker is generating, except for that i move those programs i use most and adding run [04:00] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.245) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:03] i'l try menumaker out for sure. [04:05] somebody should make a slackbuild script for it... [04:06] i think it is many that does not know about it [04:07] sounds to me like you're volunteering [04:09] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.70) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:09] packetrat_ (~packetrat@75.5.66.232) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:09] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [04:09] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:10] i do not have time to write a such... [04:10] and the little time i have over i want to use for other things... like irc [04:11] I hear ya.. [04:11] for me it goes the same easy to install it straight from source... but it maybe more people would get to know about it with a slackbuild script [04:13] sounds like you just volunteered [04:13] beerkid (beerkid@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:14] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [04:14] hehe [04:15] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:23] mancha: are you using 13.1? [04:23] loopli (~My@202.152.240.207) joined ##slackware. [04:24] i forget [04:25] do you use deadbeef? [04:25] i have it and play with it...what's your real question? [04:28] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] well, i dont know why but i get excessive cpu usage from both qmmp and deadbeef. in deadbeef's case, its mostly due to one of the deadbeef threads. in qmmp both kwin and X spike up when i even start it. X cpu usage is excessive on both [04:28] loopli (~My@202.152.240.207) left irc: Quit: loopli [04:28] anyone using alienbob's freenx binary packages built for 13.0 on 13.1? [04:29] ok, qmmp has the qt overhead...deadbeef might also [04:29] loopli (~My@202.152.240.207) joined ##slackware. [04:29] i had first noticed this with deadbeef, but now i also saw that wiith qmmp. although kwin behaves normal with deadbeef [04:30] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [04:30] hey guys [04:30] kwin doesn't have aplace in my box, so i can't have kwin issues [04:31] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [04:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:31] what about X when using either? [04:31] deadbeef uses about 5 times the cpu as mplayer for the same mp3 (here) [04:34] sorry, qmmp uses about 10x what mplayer uses for the same mp3. deadbeef uses about 7 times more. [04:34] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [04:34] whats the unit? [04:34] the unit is mplayer's usage! [04:35] how much is that? [04:35] who knows [04:35] zoran119: I do [04:35] anyway something is wrong [04:35] i also saw a bug report on deadbeef about this from someone using Slackware 13.0 at sourceforge [04:36] Morn [04:36] zoran119: but additionally you have to follow http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:nx [04:36] but he didnt give additional output and was closed [04:36] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [04:37] sloppy X interface code it seems [04:37] not much gets updated in deadbeef except the progress bar yet it uses a lot of CPU through X [04:38] jawsh569 (~jawsh569@adsl-75-23-64-71.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:38] at least qmmp has an excuse, it is doing that funky equalizer nonsense :) [04:39] and scrolling the title. [04:39] heh [04:39] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) joined ##slackware. [04:40] alienBOB: hi eric, i did follow that and i helped me to get over the first problem [04:40] alienBOB: i got the auth working but, the client is giving me trouble [04:41] alienBOB: it shows me the list of running sessions and clicking resume (or create new session) does nothing [04:41] anyone here using pcmanfm 0.9x? [04:42] mancha: how do i find out exactly whats causing this. is there a way? [04:43] alienBOB, freenx slackbuild not on sbo yet? [04:43] (at least for 13.0) [04:43] what is the powerful feature of slackware aong other linuxes? [04:44] its run by a single person whos been doing it for 17 years [04:44] alisonken1noc: as far as I know, there is no freenx on slackbuilds.org [04:44] STABILITY [04:44] loopli: awesomeness [04:44] alienBOB, k [04:44] any chance it'll get there? [04:44] :) [04:45] zoran119: perhaps you need to clean out some sessions - run "nxserver --help" on the server to see what that tool can do to help you [04:45] alisonken1noc: I will not add it there, since I have it in my own repository [04:46] alienBOB: stdout> NX> 105 NX> 596 Session startup failed. [04:46] alienBOB: stderr> /usr/bin/nxserver: line 1531: 4644 Terminated sleep $AGENT_STARTUP_TIMEOUT [04:46] alienBOB: stderr> /usr/bin/nxserver: line 564: kill: (4344) - No such process [04:46] alienBOB, thanks, just curious [04:46] alienBOB: that's what the client ends with [04:47] zoran119: first try to clear out dead sessions on the server box [04:48] alienBOB: nxserver --cleanup says that there are no sessions running [04:48] as a user can I run this to see if dbus is running? ---- env | grep DBUS [04:49] which package is libxml part of ? [04:52] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [04:54] slackpkg search libxml: [ installed ] - libxml2-2.7.6-x86_64-1 [04:56] freenx latest news update: * Used bash for all tasks as 'sh' might be not what we want on standard ubuntu. [04:57] uff!!!!! i made a slackbuild for menumaker and when i want to upload it i get: [04:57] Sorry, but submissions are disabled so that we have a bit of time to prepare for 13.1. [04:57] mrcarrot, anytime a new slackware version comes out, sbo freezes submissions until the repo is updated to match the new slackware version [04:58] submission window will open again when the admins finish getting it updated to the new slackware version [04:58] how can I start dbus-launch? I thought you could just type that at a term but env | grep DBUSD shows nothing [05:00] Xgates, man dbus-launch : first paragraph under DESCRIPTION [05:01] also, towards the end of the DESCRIPTION is a basic example of dbus-launch in a shell script [05:02] I read the man and I thought you can simply type it in a term [05:02] does freenx need vncserver or x11vnc running? [05:03] it's weird... the client just exits... [05:04] zux_ (~zux@80.81.42.4) left irc: Read error: No route to host [05:07] Xgates, "... Unlike the daemon itself, dbus-launch exits, ....", so unless you have something running with that dbus-launch session, dbus-launch will exit [05:07] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) joined ##slackware. [05:08] basically, it's a session instance dbus interface, so as soon as the session is finished, dbus-launch exits [05:09] i installed this box as a 13.0 version, then i kept updating to current, now it's 13.1, but i used sbopkg with the 13.0 repository, where do i tell sbopkg to use 13.1 repository? it only offers 13.0 and down in the menu [05:09] how about the shell example if you use that and run it when you login, does that keep it running? [05:10] if you tell dbus-launch to execute a shell/shell script, based on the man page and example, it will stay active until you close that shell/shell script that dbus-launch instance will close [05:11] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:11] If I use the : ## test for an existing bus daemon, just to be safe....... and place that in the openbox.xinitrc will that work? or in my .xsesssions --- dbus-launch openbox-session [05:12] give it a try and see what happens [05:12] and if it runs then env | grep DBUS will show me? [05:13] Hey, so just installed slackware, was messing around with wobbly windows, and i turned the stiffness setting all the way up...which resulted in windows and menus that won't hold still enough for me to change it back, anyone tell me how to un-retard what i just did? [05:13] Xgates, as long as the variable is set, yes [05:13] skillZ (~skillz@modemcable092.144-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:13] variable? [05:14] sorry you lost me [05:14] what variable? [05:14] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:16] brb [05:16] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [05:16] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [05:17] if he's using "env" to test the environment, he's really barking up the wrong tree [05:18] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [05:20] hai [05:21] in what txz lbblkid.so resides ? [05:21] libblkid.so [05:21] anavel: grep -R lbblkid.so /var/log/packages/ [05:22] not found. [05:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.203) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:23] loopli (~My@202.152.240.207) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:23] anavel: so why do you want it [05:23] anavel: what needs it [05:23] anavel: what provides it? [05:23] slackpkg search libblkid.so : [ installed ] - util-linux-ng-2.17.1-x86_64-1 [05:23] Zordrak: mount [05:23] >.< Yeah it hel/ps if you spell the damn thing right [05:24] thanks alisonken1noc [05:24] np [05:26] alienBOB: are there any more dependencies that need to be installed for freenx (both server and client have your nx, freenx and freenx-client packages installed)? [05:28] NeanT (~me@188.26.246.25) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Say if there is a patch for a certain package.. is there package updated also or do we have to download both package and patch? [05:31] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [05:31] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [05:31] if it's an official slackware package, the the patch package should be usable without the original package [05:32] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [05:32] at least that's my understanding [05:32] your correct on that [05:33] well I added that section to my xinitrc.openbox file and env | grep DBUSD shows nothing :( [05:33] :) [05:33] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:34] Xgates, "env" is NOT used to check for existence of environmental variables - it's used to SET the environment [05:34] ahhh [05:34] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [05:34] so if I use a patch for php and don't have php installed, it will install php ? [05:34] if you want to check if $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is set, then the check is "set | grep DBUS" [05:35] alisonken1noc lost me there. [05:35] well not sure why the pcmafm wiki says this then: Try 'env | grep DBUS', if you see nothing from the output, your dbus is not running and you need to launch it. [05:35] nickstolen, is the patch for source code, or a patched slackware package? [05:35] ok [05:35] nickstolen: a "patch" is not technically a patch.. its an upgrade [05:35] Zordrak, unless he's talking source code patches :) [05:35] :( [05:36] nickstolen: and you can just install the patch to get the whole package [05:36] alisonken1noc: indeed [05:36] nickstolen: i am of course referring to the /patches dircectory on mirrors [05:36] alisonken1noc: ok I got thisL [05:36] : sar@slackware:~$ set | grep DBUS [05:36] DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-Qjb2CiXKUj,guid=1bae7721c5f00004a6b84b5b00008296 [05:36] alisonken1noc official package [05:37] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:37] nickstolen, and what's the patch filename? [05:37] Zordrak: does not seem to do that for all pacthes [05:37] nickstolen: such as [05:37] ? [05:37] it did for php [05:37] so then it's running? [05:38] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:38] irssi-0.8.15-i486-1_slack12.2.tgz thats say [05:38] I would kill my whole family for the last cup of French Roast coffee in the warld. [05:38] lol [05:39] Xgates, that lets you know that for the dbus-launch session youi're running, that's the dbus address that your session is accessing the dbus daemon as [05:39] I don't remember installing php and I have php after running the patch ( testing purposes) [05:39] nickstolen : are you getting something from a slackware mirror like slackware-13.0/patches/packages/some-updated-package.txz or something else? [05:39] nickstolen, are you on slackware 12.2? [05:39] that irssi patch file is for slack 12.2 [05:39] slackware-12.2/patches/packages/patch-are-not-stupid-only-the-patch-maker.tgz :P [05:39] nickstolen: i just did an explodepkg on that irssi patch pkg [05:40] nickstolen: looks fine to me [05:40] sorry but how do I check if dbus-launch is running? [05:40] Zordrak well I run the patch and irssi did not install so you guys lost me [05:40] nickstolen: hom did you "run the patch"? [05:40] or you saying that it is for now? [05:40] how [05:40] you don't run it you install it [05:40] upgradepkg ... [05:40] >.< [05:41] nickstolen: upgradepkg --install-new irssi* [05:41] that wont install nuless it =includes --install-new [05:41] Xgates, dbus launch DOES NOT STAY RUNNING. It says so in the man page [05:41] ah don't explain why it installed php then [05:41] nickstolen: upgradepkg ONLY upgrades *existing* packages unless specifically told otherwise [05:41] Zordrak: thats my point :) [05:41] :( [05:41] php was installed .... even though you thought it wasn't [05:41] ^^ [05:42] WildWizard: nope this is a stripped down slackware for vps [05:42] php is defo not included [05:42] ls /var/log/packages/*php* [05:42] ok well I'm just trying to make sense then of the pcmanfm wiki when it says this, 'Try 'env | grep DBUS', if you see nothing from the output, your dbus is not running and you need to launch it.' [05:43] alisonken1noc: ofcouse it is in there now [05:43] why would a vps setup not include php ? [05:43] because it's not being used as a web server? [05:43] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [05:43] WildWizard: cause thats the way it is with our image [05:43] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [05:43] according to the wiki I need it running so I'm confused here as to how you get it running, when you say it runs then exits [05:43] I don't get this [05:43] errrrr [05:44] Xgates, dbus needs to be running - the daemon. NOT dbus-launch [05:44] you're confusing a starter helper with the background service [05:44] ok [05:44] lawl [05:45] well these guys say this I mentioned before: Try 'env | grep DBUS', if you see nothing from the output, your dbus is not running [05:46] Xgates, obviously, something is wrong with their example [05:46] ok [05:46] although env can be used to see what values are there, it's main purpose is to set the environment up for the session that is being started [05:46] well then I seem to have it going if it's just the daemon we need and it's running but I can't get this dang pcmanfm to automount use storage [05:47] man env [05:47] Anyone know offhand how big the whole package repository is? [05:47] do you know what groups you need to be in for automount usb storages? [05:47] nickstolen: for exactly what version? [05:47] 12.2 [05:47] plugdev [05:47] around 4gb. probably a bit more [05:48] nickstolen: compressed or uncompressed? [05:48] but that includes the sources [05:48] Zordrak: compressed thx [05:48] nickstolen: it's 1.8GB compressed [05:48] Action: nickstolen still pondering about php being installed. [05:48] k thx [05:48] thats JUST the slackware package tree.. no sources, patches, /extra [05:49] yea thats all I needed. [05:49] of that.. 286M is kde, 377M is kdei [05:49] just ooi [05:50] ok I'm in plugdev, is that all? [05:50] when I look in dmesg I see the drive being seen too [05:51] Xgates : should be all you need, it's waht makes it work for kde [05:51] Xgates: plugdev should do.. but you need to restart several things in order after the change... a restart is easiest [05:51] ok [05:52] ahhh anyone know anything about pmount? [05:52] I remember in one distro I had to have this installed for pcmanfm to automount [05:53] nickstolen, ls -l /var/log/packages/*php* and see what the dates on the files are [05:53] when I run pcmanfm from a term I get this: ** (pcmanfm:6588): DEBUG: try automount [05:53] nickstolen, that will give you an idea of when it happened [05:54] and like I said it happened when I used the patch [05:55] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [05:55] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD890EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:56] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [05:57] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:58] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:59] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD881FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:59] well I think I've restarted before but let me try again [05:59] thanks guy brb [05:59] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [06:03] that was fast 1.7G packages in 5mins [06:06] credo (~quakin@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [06:06] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [06:06] nope this thing won't automount [06:07] nickstolen, ok - the earlier question was "how did you >run< the patch?" [06:07] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:07] ok pcmanfm is suppose to be like Thunar so in 13.1 is there anything you need to do to get it to automount? [06:07] and the answer was upgradepkg which shouldn't install the package if not already there. [06:09] ok "paste the exact command you used" would help :) [06:09] :( [06:10] oh ffs :P you kidding me "upgradepkg packge-should-have-been-installed.tgz" [06:11] no such file or directory. wtf [06:11] nickstolen: i dont think you should waste any more time on this. Things happened in the past.. it confused you. No-one's clear exactly what happened.. but now you know what *should* happen and what will happen in the future if you do as is expected. [06:12] sahko: ? [06:12] packge-should-have-been-installed.tgz :p [06:12] haha [06:12] heh [06:12] mcury (~mcury@189.24.151.14) joined ##slackware. [06:13] sahko, that's one you should have been looking "UP" to see :) [06:13] :( [06:14] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.38) joined ##slackware. [06:17] alienBOB, the freenx guys need to get their css together [06:17] I have to increase the fonts just to read the docs, but it decides to keep the relative size, so scrolling left/right just to read a sentence [06:19] kurt__ (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:19] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [06:20] mcury (~mcury@189.24.151.14) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:21] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:24] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:24] Hi, any1 can help in slack 13.1 how i get a boot screen, i used splashy on 13.0 but dont work on 13.1 [06:24] danix (~dany@host33-100-static.39-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:25] danix (~dany@host33-100-static.39-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [06:25] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:25] why do you even need splashy? it takes what, 2 minutes to boot? not even? [06:25] tooly (~tooly@e178143077.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [06:26] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-184-125.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:26] what can i use instead? [06:26] just.. nothing? let it boot as normal? [06:26] yeah seriously.. wtf is up with wanting splashy [06:27] its a waste [06:27] well some other people use it [06:27] jamess__: some other people go an killing rampages and causethe holocaust [06:27] splashy is kewl for shops and recovery cds I guess. [06:27] i dont recommend you do that either [06:28] but what will work on slack 13.1 ? [06:28] yeah i need it to be cool [06:28] default works really well [06:29] jamess__: if you need it to be teh l33t awesomesupercool you should replace it with an iPad [06:29] jamess__: if you want something that works and does it really well.. leave slack be [06:29] but the question is what alternative to splashy will work? [06:29] a howitzer? [06:30] default. [06:30] problem is i get blank screen [06:30] then people think it is dead [06:31] theF?! Win7 virtual image all done and dusted in 9GB [06:31] that's with splashy. not with default. [06:31] default boot is a blank screen? [06:31] vista's is 17G and growing [06:31] Zordrak: vista is a fat litttle whore :P [06:31] Zordrak: using vmware? [06:31] vbox [06:31] ah [06:32] on vmware the smallest image for vista and 7 is 12G :/ [06:32] it is problem with the intel chipset [06:32] it is dell latitude 2110 [06:32] also sometimes X just freeze [06:33] my 7 images (32 and 64) are both completely up to date, configured etc and both are 9G.. i havent even installed sp1 on vista yet and its 17G [06:33] it's a problem with splashy. don't use it. [06:33] i keep having to clear space on my disk [06:34] mmm thats slight big for vista without SP1 [06:34] nickstolen: theres a couple of gig being used up eg having the sp1 and sp2 installers inside it.. but thats really it.. theres nothing special [06:35] i cant even check it now because its trying to install 91 updates during shutdown [06:35] i wanna throw up [06:36] why did you want a vista vm [06:36] in-house software testing [06:36] because he doesn't want to replace a working system with a toy [06:36] ah [06:36] do you still have to crack windows if you install in a vm? [06:36] jamess__ (~benjsh@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: [06:36] no [06:36] never have [06:37] works fine always has [06:37] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.59.38) joined ##slackware. [06:37] other than bing actually possible to use.. win7 has one seriously redeeming feature that makes me smile. You can *remove* Internet Explorer! [06:38] other than that its the same Disnee shit as ever [06:38] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.38) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:39] I have a MSDNOS account :P if I had to crack for the office, I would opt in for the MS 50K USD reward [06:39] buh? [06:40] m$ pays disgrunted employees up to 50K USD if they turn on their emploers for cracked or unlicensed software. [06:40] s/emploers/employers/ [06:40] heh [06:41] MS or BSA? [06:41] bsa/fast can suck my nuts. End of. [06:42] M$ [06:43] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [06:44] .... STILL on update 1 or 91.. [06:44] *of [06:44] arg I have to make 46images this weekend [06:44] stupid manager [06:44] 46 distinct images?! [06:45] winxp to 7 en fr es no se [06:45] with different versions of our software [06:45] >.< [06:45] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:45] all cause my manager is a retard and does not understand anything like WAIK or SMS or Puppet [06:45] "I used to work at IBM/AMD" manager [06:45] Now that 7 is better at handling hardware changes they should sell it as a clean-install image [06:46] nickstolen: tell him to follow google and stop supporting Windows. You choose Linux, BSD, UNIX or Mac. Live with it. [06:47] our software is built on windows :) [06:47] :( [06:47] maxsea.fr [06:47] maritime navigation software [06:47] Nick change: n0nsense -> ente [06:47] fail [06:47] er :) not fail, most end users are windows based [06:47] :( [06:47] if you sell software, it's naturally [06:48] it's only natural [06:48] I mean [06:48] no more a fail than here.. the SDK *requires* linux.. but only on top of Windows. So you have to run cygwin. It cannot run on just windows or just linux [06:48] lol [06:50] someone wrote a patch so it could just run natively in linux.. and the patch as told to go sit outside for a while and think about what it had done.. its still there.. sobbing quietly. [06:51] hehe [06:52] nickals (~nickals@97.103.10.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:52] nickals (~nickals@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Zordrak: just started on call.. looking forward to this weekend tethered 24/7 =P [06:53] sucks [06:54] thankfully i dont have to carry a laptop around, i SSH from a Nokia E90 [06:54] 800px wide screen [06:54] and a real | \ keyboard button [06:57] ooh, could use one of those [06:57] dont bother.. its not worth it :) [06:57] :( [06:57] we just got htc sense, but it runs windows mobile 8o/ [06:57] both my laptops have full keyboards [06:57] its a silver lining on what is otherwise a brick of a phone with nowhere near enough RAM [06:57] i'd prefer to work on the same laptop, just so you got right host files and vpn links [06:58] if i could get an iPhone with a roll-up keyboard.. id use that [06:58] i can get a shell on my phone, but might be worth adding a roll up keyboard to my htc hero (personal android phone) [06:58] (obv a rooted iPhone with OpenVPN :) ) [06:58] :( [06:59] Get a ONE [06:59] geeksphone ONE r2 the only phone you will need [06:59] beerkid (beerkid@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:59] i aint *getting* anything any time soon.. i have a hard enough time getting replacement PSUs signed off [06:59] lol [06:59] where do you work Zordrak [07:00] .. what kind of answer are you looking for? [07:00] phrag: http://www.geeksphone.com/en/ [07:00] er company er department er don't know whatever you care to answer. [07:01] nickstolen: i work for a silicon engineering company [07:01] nickstolen: the whole IT dept is me. [07:02] ouch [07:02] wrt geeksphone.. what kind of geeks phone has its own hard keyboard.. but without numbers/symbols or a | key [07:04] does nokia phone keyboards come with | ~? [07:05] the E90 does, yes [07:05] part of the reason i picked it [07:06] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:06] that the new one ? [07:06] that and the fact PuTTY for Symbian was/is free [07:07] nickstolen: no [07:09] .... STILL on update 1 or 91.. 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[07:27] James____: change the KDE settings so it does not restore your session but starts a new one [07:27] kde [07:27] default [07:27] if you have difficulty with that, ask in #kde [07:27] James____: what Zordrak said [07:28] James____: uhmm, close that terminal before you leave kde [07:28] i did [07:28] and reboot [07:28] but it keeps coming back from dead [07:28] James____: 12:25:41 < Zordrak> James____: change the KDE settings so it does not restore your session but starts a new one [07:28] do terminals scare you? [07:29] where can i change the kde setings for restore sessions [07:29] 12:25:55 < Zordrak> if you have difficulty with that, ask in #kde [07:29] James____: system settings -> advanced -> session management or someting [07:30] or if you are really brave... rm -rf .kde/ or someting like that :) [07:30] :( [07:30] OutBound: quit it. [07:30] ok [07:31] another problem [07:31] when i boot i cant have splashy [07:31] i searched for alternatives [07:31] but did not find [07:31] DEFAULT. [07:32] James____ just earned a red nick-colour tag [07:32] in slack 13.0 it worked fine [07:32] but had to upgrade to 13.1 because intel chipset work bad in 13.0 [07:33] Zordrak: is that your "run and hide" color? [07:33] i foudn splashy, bootsplash [07:33] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [07:33] what else can be used? [07:33] default. [07:33] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [07:33] no just a warning to remember people so i dont forget in the future and waste my time trying to help the useless [07:34] haha [07:34] someone talked about fbcondecor [07:34] azetrope, cpunches, etc? :P [07:34] I have 22 green and 20 red [07:34] ohh, nice [07:34] what's the green? [07:35] someone whose opinion is worth listening to [07:35] well, at least those are winning.. barely :P [07:35] eg bob, pat, ananke, pprkut etc [07:35] yeah [07:36] guess I'm in the yellow category :) [07:36] :( [07:36] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:36] alisonken1noc: actually i was just thinking i hadnt promoted you when i should have [07:36] alisonken1noc, don't know if you saw the other day, but apparently X11 forwarding will work in screen in some cases as well :P [07:36] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [07:36] raela, missed that one [07:37] OutBound kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: OutBound [07:37] alisonken1noc: done :) [07:37] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [07:37] heh - wondering how long that bot was going to last [07:37] I was in my office and doing stuff on frankie.. then realized I had stuff in screen. checked with xeyes and it worked [07:37] Zordrak, thanks [07:37] alisonken1noc: :) [07:37] so maybe that's partially related to the network? or I flipped some config on that laptop [07:37] now to get the wife to change my color from red to green :) [07:37] danix (~danix@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[08:09] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:12] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:13] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:14] hehehe [08:14] lol [08:16] FFS!!!! a brand new random undefined hex error code as to why i cant fscking install SP1 [08:17] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:17] welcome to the windows world [08:17] that somehow seems less exciting than finding a brand new random undiscovered mutation..hrmm [08:17] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [08:18] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:19] Zordrak: run compcln after you get sp2 installed [08:20] iceheart (0@120.195.174.214) joined ##slackware. [08:20] and check how much space gets free [08:20] mrcarrot: whats the equvilent on 7 ? [08:20] anyone good with checking over a simple slackbuild? I made up one for gvfs to compile it then when I run I get these msgs, 'onfigure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target' -- configure: WARNING: invalid host type: -- checking build system type... config.sub: missing argument ---- configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub failed ---- here's the slackbuild: [08:20] http://pastebin.com/VpwfqNUF [08:21] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:21] nickstolen: it is supposed to not be needed in win7 [08:21] ah so [08:21] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Xgates, just delete the --build line, see if that builds [08:23] ewe notice where the cake is http://keznews.com/pics/jokeware/second_choice2.jpg [08:24] heh [08:24] cake or a bread loaf? [08:24] looks more like a banancake then breadloaf [08:25] thrice`: I commented it out and no good [08:25] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [08:25] if you comment it out, take away the "\" from the previous line end [08:25] I don't see anything wrong with that slackbuild [08:25] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:26] should I then remove this? ---- --build=$ARCH-slackware-linux [08:26] yes [08:26] k [08:27] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [08:27] why the heck would this build be croaking? [08:27] errrr it still wont go [08:28] new error? [08:28] same stuff [08:29] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [08:32] im actually gonna have to start vista from scratch. its unrecoverably screwed [08:32] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [08:33] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:33] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:33] Xgates, you updated glib on your own? [08:33] no [08:34] Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.23.4' but version of GLib is 2.22.5 [08:34] on my system [08:34] I just installed 13.1 [08:35] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [08:36] ahhh I'll try an older version then [08:40] gammalyrae (~abell@athedsl-208303.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:44] my mpg123 can't play music, no error output, but no sound, amarok works well [08:45] and reinstall it again, still same [08:45] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:45] iceheart: sure it's using the correct device ? [08:46] bash-4.1# /opt/netbeans/bin/netbeans, /bin/bash: : No such file or directory. Hey whats wrong with this new install > [08:46] thrice`: hey 1.4.0 didn't ask for any other deps or versions :) [08:47] Action: Xgates trys another newer version [08:47] paul424: be clearer [08:49] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:49] I just upgraded the netbeans using slack builds , the binary files exist in the above path, but I get that message [08:49] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:49] gvfs-1.4.3 didn't complain either :) [08:49] Action: Xgates trys another newer version [08:49] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:50] paul424: [08:50] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [08:50] paul424: ldd /opt/netbeans/bin/netbeans [08:50] err.. file first *then* ldd [08:52] phrag: yes, you are right. where is configure file of mpg321? it work well before. [08:54] paul424, did you install the 32-bit version, i'd guess? [08:55] yeap, I am on a good way to solve that mystery [08:55] i do wish bash could report bad-arch instead of just no such file [08:55] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:56] rabies (micemicer@philtered-2-pt.tunnel.tserv12.mia1.ipv6.he.net) left ##slackware. [08:56] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [08:57] nickals (~nickals@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:57] no I know what is it , the script depends on the fresh system variable which hasn't been reloaded [08:58] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:58] I donno in which script it does sits in ... [09:00] hmm that's not even the proper English. [09:01] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [09:01] mrcarrot (1000@86-60-156-248-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:02] is there a cassandra package for slackware [09:04] admiralboom (~Nathan.Bl@nat-vlan0200.sat4.rackspace.com) joined ##slackware. [09:05] nickstolen, search slackbuilds.org [09:05] not available for 13.0 at least [09:07] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [09:07] fred (~fred@slamd64/fred) joined ##slackware. [09:08] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:08] ugh.. i seriously resent downloading the "latest" version of big applications only to discover the second they are installed they need updates.. adobe reader being a primary bastard [09:09] Zordrak: I don't use / need adobe reader [09:09] swap it for foxit or sumatra [09:09] usr13: you are not my Windows-using staff [09:10] Zordrak: Clearly.... :) Sorry, may have stepped into middle of conversation.... (just got here). [09:10] no.. just a random glottal utterance of general disgust [09:10] ... understandable. (...I share your frustration). [09:11] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Jeeeesus. All i've done with this new (again) vista image is run the first step of the installer (copy/extract) and the disk is already 7GiB [09:13] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:13] Action: Zordrak is really (quite obviously) not happy about the windows baby-sitting he's been having to do for the last week or so [09:13] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:14] why vista? why not at least 7? [09:14] here, it's either xp or 7. [09:14] Zordrak: why? you windows guy off ? [09:14] yoru* [09:14] nickals (~nickals@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [09:14] your* [09:14] :-) [09:14] phrag: re-read your statement [09:15] yeh, is your windows guy off work ? [09:15] slava_dp: the vista is for in-house software testing.. have also got 7 in both arches [09:15] oh, testing [09:15] 11:59:40 < Zordrak> nickstolen: the whole IT dept is me. [09:15] :) [09:16] hey [09:16] bjx, hey, wazzup :) [09:16] not much [09:17] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:17] lovin my brand new gcc glib current [09:18] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [09:18] but.... [09:19] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:19] having troubles with the qjackctl slackbuild [09:20] does not seem to pay attention to my arch etc. of course can fix it manually but want to keep my sbo intact [09:20] x86_64 [09:20] jozxyqk? [09:21] akasmax (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] hi [09:21] does the full install provide an ftp server ? [09:21] akasmax: more than one [09:21] pretty sure its a qt thing [09:22] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:22] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:22] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [09:22] i'm under /etc/rc.d/ whats the name of the ftp servers? Is there a popular one like apache is to http ? [09:23] akasmax: the default option is to have vsftpd launched via inetd.. not as a standalone daemon [09:23] look in /etc/inetd.conf [09:23] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:23] is there a slackbuilds channel? [09:23] bjx: yes [09:23] bjx: its really obscurely named [09:23] bjx: you'll *never* find it [09:23] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [09:23] ha [09:24] Oh it's one of those super servers. [09:24] akasmax: its *THE* super-server [09:24] i don't get out much [09:24] Will it still listen on port 21 ? [09:24] akasmax: since thats the FTP port.. im gonna say no [09:24] akasmax: it'll prbably be 22 [09:24] that'd make sense [09:26] Zordrak is feeling sarcastic today. [09:26] slava_dp: Zordrak === Sarcasm [09:26] just some days its more vociferous than others [09:26] some days i just cant keep it in because the only alternative is gunning people down with sub-machine guns [09:26] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:27] Action: slava_dp lols [09:27] Finally installed virtual vista. Final Score: 7076 MB [09:27] (and now suddenly shooting up again) [09:28] not too bad. does it include any software? :D [09:28] slava_dp: yes.. its some special kind of anti-productivity suite [09:30] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. 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[09:36] cimenta, add "export EDITOR=joe" without quotes to /etc/profile [09:36] or to ~/.bash_profile just for you [09:36] slava_dp when I run set I can see EDITOR=joe [09:36] may also want to export VISUAL, that gets used sometimes too [09:36] ahh, then you definitely want VISUAL [09:37] yeeeeees [09:37] thank you :-) [09:38] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:38] you're welcome =) [09:39] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [09:40] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:40] can I change kernel without restarting computer? [09:40] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427440.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:40] cimenta: n [09:40] *no [09:40] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-210.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:41] cimenta: you could just as easily change your lungs without stopping breathing [09:41] there's ksplice though [09:41] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [09:41] What are the advantages of LILO over grub2? [09:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:42] crocket: lilo is simple and does what it says on the tin and is hard to break. Grub2 is bloated, painful, pointless and ridiculously easy to break. [09:42] ok, thank you [09:42] Zordrak : Be more specific. [09:42] crocket: No. [09:43] ??? [09:43] crocket: quite clear isn't it ? [09:43] crocket, what is your goal here? you want grub2, use a distro that supplies grub2. [09:43] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Linux is not GRUB2 [09:44] Linux is more than grub2. [09:44] uhhh [09:44] ... [09:44] wtf. [09:44] I shall use slackware for a while. [09:44] No one ever said linux was grub2. [09:44] Or even suggested it. [09:44] slackware does not love you. use something else instead. [09:44] another one for the red-list *sigh* [09:44] .... [09:45] slava_dp : maybe you don't love me. [09:45] HAHAHA [09:45] lol [09:45] crocket: but does your mummy? [09:45] seems so [09:45] But I can't install my mom in my computer. [09:45] Then go be with her.. go on.. run.. run home [09:46] Zordrak: he hadn't made it already? he also was here as cupcake2 [09:47] raela: i give the benefit of the doubt.. plus im lazy.. i only go edit the l/ist if its really necessary [09:47] and by hell its necessary now [09:47] crocket: the main advantage of LILO of grub (or grub2) is that we love lilo and we hate grub [09:48] Zordrak: he'd make a good partner for azeotrope :) [09:48] homies4laif! [09:48] cimenta (~rada@220-244-52-59.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: [09:49] digifor (~felixdz@2001:0:53aa:64c:34cb:60ff:8503:4b03) joined ##slackware. [09:49] no.. azeotrope is "special" he's not just stupid he's really properly government-sanction retarded [09:50] redlist ? azeotrope? er wtf [09:50] nickstolen: not worth explaining [09:51] lol :) is that what you answer when they ask you why you need a new PSU? [09:51] nickstolen: read noobfarm for azeotrope :P [09:51] nickstolen: http://noobfarm.org/?query=azeotrope [09:52] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1887 - hahaha [09:52] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [09:53] havent installed a single thing in this vista yet... all ive done is copy SP1 to c:\ and start it up (havent even cl/icked yes i want to give SP1 .permission to run yet) and im up to 8.5GiB usage! [09:53] say anyone know anything about putting plugdev in /etc/login.defs ? [09:53] lol.. the google result for noobfarm has azeotrope in the summary! [09:54] Zordrak: heh, windows 2008r2 is > 10 GB [09:54] cant wait to see what it balloons to after sp2 is installed [09:55] pretty funny [09:56] Zordrak: Uhm..And your point? [09:56] petera3 (~pa3@75-149-128-53-Connecticut.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Modern OSs generally aren't slim [09:56] Slackware isn't slim.. [09:56] slackware isn't slim with a TON of software bundled. vista has notepad and paint. [09:56] Vista has a ton of software bundled too [09:57] heh [09:57] ? [09:57] straterra, do you work for microsoft? [09:57] oh nm. [09:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:57] No [09:58] I'm just not a tool, like most here. [09:58] every time you talk I get that impression that you do work for them. [09:58] That's because every time you make wrong statements, I call them out [09:59] 10GB is NOT large by modern standards. Get over it. [09:59] k. we can start naming the softwares that slackware and vista have, and then we'll make a comparison. [09:59] text fight !! [09:59] slava_dp: i found a solution to your current problem. I highly recommend it. [09:59] BTW..softwares isn't a word. Software is both singular and plural [09:59] I kinda agree there... they do have alot bundled with vista [09:59] most of it aren't that useful, but hey [09:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [09:59] A word cannot be singular and plural? [10:00] Yes it can. [10:00] nickstolen: sheep [10:00] ah I get it now, I was like wtf mmm [10:02] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:02] I'm not saying Windows is ZOMGTHEBESTATEVERYTHING. But if you are going to say Vista/7 is bloated, you must also admit that pretty much every modern Linux distro is equally bloated. [10:02] LOL #1960 -> #1961 -> #1964 [10:03] the azeotrope ones? pretty hilarious :) [10:03] haha [10:03] like i said.. he's not just stupid he's *properly* retartded [10:04] isn't ubuntu only 2gb or something, and includes openoffice? [10:04] Zordrak: Pot, meet kettle [10:06] straterra: I think it's more along the lines of a out of the box OS without any really useless tools and useless none essential services shouldn't be 8G to 12G big. [10:06] iceheart (0@120.195.174.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:07] and RH/Ubuntu isn't that big even with Gnome or KDE.(FYI last I tried a few months back) [10:07] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:07] fsck I need sleep [10:08] nickstolen: Fedora is pretty large [10:08] Debian is pretty large [10:08] think was like 6G or something [10:08] fedora 13 is 2.4 gb or so out of the box [10:08] maybe more [10:08] huh alot smaller then I thought, must have choosen even more useless stuff to install [10:08] It's way more than 2.4 [10:08] lol [10:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:09] We have barebones Fedora servers that are larger than 2.4..and thats as old as Fedora 7 [10:09] my f13 install from the gnomeCD was 2.4 :( [10:09] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:09] The livecd? [10:09] thrice`: you forgot the p0rnlib.CLWI [10:09] actually, I used the DVD, chose gnome, and added OOo [10:10] .clwi? [10:10] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:10] Can't Live without It. [10:11] Fedora LiveCD uses space locally? [10:11] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [10:11] straterra: don't call 'most of this channel a tool'.. if you feel like, GTFO [10:11] Action: nickstolen can't keep up with straterra. [10:11] you want to? [10:12] Not really, it's like staring into the abyss. [10:12] all you do is bitch, moan and be delibertaly offensive to people.. i imagine you dont have many friends IRL [10:12] but I am at work and have two hours to kill :/ got to do something. [10:13] nickstolen: same =P [10:13] :p [10:13] quiet is good, means nothing is broke [10:13] phrag: ++ [10:13] Action: phrag touches wood ..(no jokes) =P [10:13] phrag: I have many friends.. I'm offensive to people who are offensive first. [10:13] lol :P You know nothing is ever really broken, it's added features! [10:14] phrag: And..maybe you haven't looked around? The channel isn't what it used to be. [10:14] Any regular will agree [10:15] <- newbie here... do tell.. I have 2hours to kill. [10:15] not reall straterra, you are often offensive for no reason, wether it be your in a bad mood or whatever.. i rarely see you personally provoked, you usually just wade into a conversation with off the cuff remarks to or about people, with little repreve or balance... just 'you are wrong, i am right' attitude [10:15] i have observed this over many years [10:15] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:16] Sounds like something from somethingawful . com [10:16] phrag: Ok? and if you don't like my general attitude..you can go the way of Zordrak [10:16] There's an ignore function in your client. You can use it. [10:16] It won't hurt my feelings. [10:16] there's a channel ignore funcion that's much more effective [10:16] I know one !! [10:17] I do I swear I know one !! [10:17] ./quit [10:17] if you carry on being unneccesarily rude to people for no reason, i shall use it.. i'm not being a dick, just sick of your attitude tbh [10:17] I hear it works wonders for reallife too. [10:17] you dont seem to like anyone here, you dont seem to like being here.. so leave or stop moaning [10:17] can't say fairer than that [10:17] Ok...so..I'll just let people spread FUD. [10:18] Point taken. [10:18] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:18] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [10:18] CHANNEL POLICE !!! [10:18] nickstolen: The police are in plain clothes today. [10:19] nickstolen: and most other days [10:19] nickstolen: welcome to irc.. drama is key :D [10:19] Really. Thought they lived in their moms basement and posted on 4chan SA and such and moan on IRC about how everyone sucks [10:19] O_o [10:20] except their mom cause she will wipe their cute 40 year olds behind if needed. [10:20] hrmm think superglueing cracks in a laptop case would work? [10:20] drama drama in the irc =P [10:20] or would that just cause problems [10:20] Sikis (~sikis@97.107.142.142) joined ##slackware. [10:20] raela: gaffer tape? =P [10:20] raela: :P depends it didn't do too well on 4 of my ibooks. [10:20] phrag: don't know what that is. I don't know if tape would work all that well [10:21] raela: gaffer tape is the swiss army tool of tape =P [10:21] phrag: Duck Tape FTW!! [10:21] I'm pretty adept at mending cars with Duck tape [10:22] same thing as duct tape then? [10:22] ist a branded ver [10:22] wertik_rus (~wertik@athedsl-372373.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Action: fred went to a club straight from work, after spending the day in the datacenter; bouncers gave me weird looks for the duct tape, zip ties, and screwdrivers in my bag... [10:22] I think it'd be awkward to tape.. oh well. cracks aren't too bad, and if glue didn't do too well for nickstolen.. ah well [10:23] has 5 cracks right now, and something inside might be cracked.. poor laptop :( [10:23] use some construction mix [10:24] then sand paper it down and spray paint it. Definately better then superglue which never holds :/ [10:24] or the 2 part epoxy. tear the thing apart & glop it all over from the inside [10:24] what? I don't care that it looks cracked [10:25] Nick change: xchg_chrap_chrap -> xchg [10:25] I'm worried that the cracks will affect things internal, and they grow so.. [10:25] :P well then just so you don't have to do it every 3 or 4 days [10:25] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] taking apart the case.. hrmm [10:25] fred, sounds sexy :) [10:26] I mean, um [10:26] raela: what brand is it? [10:26] how do I clear the directories of the sbopkg ? I mean I suppose it left some trash in its build directories ... [10:26] paul424: rm -r /tmp/SBo [10:26] nickstolen: toshiba, satellite m60 [10:26] oh ok :P forget it then [10:26] also /var/cache/sbopkg [10:26] also /var/lib/sbo / sbopkg [10:27] nachox (~imarambio@201.216.213.17) joined ##slackware. [10:30] raela looking at the technical manual ... don't look like a fun notebook to take apart. [10:31] yeah.. I'll just let it be for now [10:31] I worked on my M30 [10:32] which reminds me, I need to get new hinges :/ [10:32] I should replace the screen at some point [10:32] http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1378/may2010lines.jpg [10:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:33] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:33] Zordrak: did i use the branded name!? o.0 [10:33] and you're using it with an external display? [10:33] phrag: no i did [10:33] phew, i was about to shower =P [10:33] no, mako-sama [10:34] friday laugh.. http://www.dontevenreply.com/index.php [10:34] raela: you're not using it like that. are you? :P [10:35] phrag: site blocked ~_~ [10:37] phrag, heh [10:37] masterslakk (~mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] mako-sama: yep.. I am using it like that :D daily [10:38] it drives people nuts when they look at my screen [10:38] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:39] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.124.229.10) joined ##slackware. [10:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Client Quit [10:40] mako-sama, worked perfectly here, what's wrong with you boss? content filters are so 90's [10:40] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:41] wertik_rus (~wertik@athedsl-372373.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:41] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [10:41] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:42] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [10:43] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.55.194.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[10:47] phrag: i let spybot handle that.. udates them when needed too etc [10:48] shonudo: arrange the windows so anything that's important isn't covered.. 1440x900, so the area to the left works well for irssi/firefox, right of it does skype well. the bar is the worst part, but I'm used to working around [10:48] shonudo: it makes it really hard to not use X, though [10:48] i can imagine [10:49] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:49] well, by the time you replace it you certainly will have gotten every pixel's worth out of that monitor [10:49] but, I'd rather travel with this laptop than my other one.. not too worried if it gets banged around [10:49] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-78-118.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:50] hehe. as long as I don't get another white bar, it might be fine for a bit more. been going on since feb 2008 or so [10:50] Zordrak: that a windows thing? [10:50] fix the screen.. those laptops work great and my M30 still looks new. People don't beleive it when I tell them it's an 8yrs old laptop [10:50] raela: you got some multiplex monitor setup ? [10:50] phrag: well.. yeah [10:51] jealous =P [10:51] phrag: no I just use the broken lcd. too lazy to bring my old CRT to my office, and it has a worse resolution [10:51] ha, i get ya [10:51] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:51] i had a 24" Sun CRT.. it weighed more than the SWL of two men [10:51] s/men/people =P [10:52] mako-sama: well, this one also has case cracks and has weird issues if I press on the wrong spot. it kernel panicked once on boot, but I didn't figure out why. battery life sucks, too :P but yeah, if I see screens for $100 again, I'll probably get a new one [10:52] the CRT I have at home does 1024x768 max I think [10:52] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-78-118.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:53] i just recently lost my 21" trinitorn (finally -- it should have died ages ago), but i miss the high res [10:54] I threw out my trini 21" [10:54] damn thing was too big and heavy to have around. [10:54] but, this laptop is 5 years old and I still use it daily :) so it's not doing too bad. I prefer it to my newer laptop [10:54] no one "throws" a 21" trinitron [10:54] Should have throw it away in germany already instead of bringing it to Spain. [10:54] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-145-247.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-145-247.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [10:54] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [10:55] raela: btw, which M60 do you have? [10:55] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:55] mako-sama: doesn't have a version number. I think they were fairly new at the time? it was one of those pick and choose customize models at the time [10:55] nickstolen: they're huge; the advantage of not having mine is i now have desk space [10:56] but the resolution (the image quality overall) was great [10:57] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:59] slackytude|evil (~slacky@studpool-wlan158.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:00] shonudo er my new LG does better and uses less power and I find space to actually write now. [11:00] jspider1010 (~spider101@155.sub-174-218-160.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [11:01] jspider1010 (~spider101@155.sub-174-218-160.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.2) joined ##slackware. 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[11:23] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:24] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.55.194.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:25] Drakevr (drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left ##slackware ("Leaving..."). [11:26] ROFL!! "Iron Man is a movie.. Iron Woman is a command" [11:27] evanton (~cbbe@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [11:27] lol [11:28] I see that neither SBo nor alien's repo has slackbuilds for darcs, any other places to look for? [11:28] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.55.194.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:29] evanton: i just google "foo.SlackBuild" [11:29] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [11:29] darcs? sbo should have one, or use cabal [11:29] Hi. [11:29] cabal should be able to handle things cleanly I guess [11:29] hi riza [11:29] Hello adrien. [11:30] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:30] adrien: this haskell thing is a totally new toolchain for me, I just want to be sure I don't try to reinvent the wheel [11:32] slacky.eu doesn't have darcs as well... [11:33] haskell? why didn't you say so? [11:33] Action: Zordrak puts on his radiation suit [11:33] dTd (~dTd@66.212.210.213) joined ##slackware. [11:33] o.o [11:33] Zordrak: because darcs seems to be written in haskell [11:33] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] and I assume I would need that to run it, no? [11:35] haskell isnt even a language.. its just some vomit someone found on a pavement and thought it looked artsy [11:35] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.216) joined ##slackware. [11:35] haskell was written by people who can't program for people who can't program [11:36] evanton: install to /opt/foo btw [11:36] darcs is indeed in haskell [11:36] adrien: I see it only seems to need ghc, and there's a ghc slackbuild at SBo [11:36] I'll try building that one first [11:36] which is actually a repackage /o\ [11:37] seems like stupid thing can't bootstrap itself [11:37] evanton: why do you need haskell? [11:37] adrien: I need darcs [11:37] and haskell is a dependency of it, as I understand [11:37] and only darcs? [11:38] adrien: yep, I don't want to code in haskell [11:38] of darcs? and haskell is a language, not the implementation of a language (ghc probably) [11:38] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [11:38] darcs repo are also reachable through http if you only need it once [11:38] or, use a static build of darcs [11:38] (if one works for you) [11:39] adrien: no I want to learn the basics of this version control tool [11:39] and I want to have it ready at my fingertips when I start reading the manual, so I could try stuff [11:40] of course, your best and quickest bet is probably the static build, they're hosting some, not sure if they have 64bit builds though [11:41] I'm on 32 bit and they seem to have it [11:41] will try that first, looks simpler than dealing with ghc [11:41] adrien: thanks for the hint [11:42] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:43] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) joined ##slackware. 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[12:04] qdbus org.mpris.amarok /Player org.freedesktop.MediaPlayer.PositionGet [12:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] <_slax0r_> great..: Could not connect to D-Bus server: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: No protocol specified [12:04] <_slax0r_> :/ [12:04] <_slax0r_> what am I missing? [12:05] No protocol specified. [12:05] Maybe you didn't specify the correct name of whatever you are trying to start.. [12:05] <_slax0r_> I can read...but I don't understand :P [12:05] google or better ask in #kde or something like that I guess [12:05] dbus is tricky [12:05] <_slax0r_> I just ran the command from a terminal [12:05] <_slax0r_> and it produced this error [12:06] "qdbus" alone returns the same error? [12:06] digifor (~felixdz@2001:0:53aa:64c:34cb:60ff:8503:4b03) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:07] <_slax0r_> nope, a long list [12:08] is org.mpris.amarok in the list? 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[12:19] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:20] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [12:21] hey guys.. i have tab-delimited list... how can i divide the first element of this list by 1000 ? [12:21] in bash [12:21] use R ;) [12:23] awk '{ print $1/100 }' [12:23] oh, then I assume you want to print the rest of the list? [12:23] fred: he said using bash ;) [12:24] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Zordrak: that normally includes the standard tools :p [12:26] i am trying to make my mythtv frontend box auto login, im following these instructions: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login [12:26] now thats just making assumptions :) #!/bin/bash perl -e '............... [12:26] that will do the job for me.. thx a loot [12:26] -o [12:26] when i edit /etc/login.defs and enter: NO_PASSWORD_CONSOLE tty7 [12:26] awk '{printf "%s", $1/100; for(i=2; i <= NF; i++) printf " %s", $i; print ""}' < there's the full awk one :p [12:26] if you want the other fields [12:27] slackware responds with: configuration error - unknown item 'NO_PASSWORD_CONSOLE' (notify administrator) [12:27] dustybin: so remove it again [12:27] alienBOB: i did, but the box doesnt auto login [12:27] It'll be for older versions of Slackware perhaps [12:28] right i see [12:28] ill find a alternative way [12:28] jakeday (1000@24-158-172-4.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:29] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Zordrak: how many shell scripts have you seen that don't use any external programs? [12:30] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.55.194.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:30] jakeday (1000@24-158-172-4.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:31] danix (~danix@host146-63-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:31] fred, what do you consider as external programs? [12:31] fred: do you consider that '#!/bin/sh' uses an external program? ;-) [12:32] anything that's not a bash builtin [12:32] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [12:32] I'd consider the standard set to be at least sed, awk, coreutils [12:33] Hoogin (1000@79.138.188.84.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [12:33] dustybin: you may look at qingy, a getty replacement that allows autologin: http://qingy.sourceforge.net/manual.php [12:33] My taskbar in KDE suddenly is empty !? I dont see the running programs such as firefox [12:34] kquitapp plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop & [12:35] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [12:35] When I try to download Slackware 13.1 via torrent, Deluge says: [12:36] other torrents work fine. [12:36] Nick change: Oak -> alreadygone [12:36] also i dont have an audio volume icon in the lower right corner next to the time, even though audio works when i visit youtube [12:37] alienBOB: aye thanks, im trying option 2 in the mythtv guide [12:38] anybody with advice for the torrent problem? [12:40] fred: hey.. im not presuming anything :) He just said "in bash" [12:44] im out. ttfn. [12:44] Hoogin (1000@79.138.188.84.bredband.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:45] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [12:50] alreadygone: most likely a bad tracker [12:50] alreadygone: i would try another torrent orrrrr download via http/ftp [12:52] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:55] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [12:57] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:57] ok, thanks xsamurai [13:00] petera3 (~pa3@75-149-128-53-Connecticut.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] np [13:02] Zordrak: whats ttfn ? [13:02] tata for now [13:02] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:02] xsamurai, you haven't watched the adventures of pooh, have you? [13:02] think tigger [13:02] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:03] nader (~nader@85.133.204.97) joined ##slackware. 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[13:10] I finally took a screenshot of grub2 on slackware64 13.1 [13:10] http://imagebin.ca/view/fcwAzNru.html [13:10] Look at this [13:10] nice pic [13:11] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:11] I think I like the arrangement of the menu of LILO better than that of GRUB2, anyway. [13:11] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-xjstcpclpvttghrl) joined ##slackware. [13:11] I decided to install LILO on /dev/sda and GRUB2 on /dev/sda5. [13:11] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-xjstcpclpvttghrl) left ##slackware. [13:12] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [13:12] ok [13:13] I'm going to sleep [13:13] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] yoyoned1 (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] yoyoned1 (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. 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[13:30] hi. is there a kind soul that could tell me how many binary package are on the isos or the ftp of slackware ? [13:31] sure [13:31] solsTiCe: sorry never counted them ._. [13:31] 2012 ? [13:32] in slackware64/ that is [13:32] 1128 [13:32] solsTiCe: but... why? [13:32] in slack 32 bits [13:32] rg3: damn [13:32] ah, right, I had .asc files too [13:32] adrien, no way it's over 2000 ... [13:32] ls */*.txz | wc -l [13:33] that wouldn't take into account extra and testing [13:33] I wanted to compare with another distro. slackware was my previous distro. [13:33] find, but I did it wrong, so 2012/2 [13:33] not from the slackware/ dir [13:33] I found it pretty high too (and was checking) [13:33] ken@kens_house:/home2/slackware/slackware64-13.1$ grep 'PACKAGE NAME' PACKAGES.TXT | wc -l [13:33] 1006 [13:33] solsTiCe: doesn't mean much since slackware doesn't split packages like most other distributions [13:33] lets say it's around 1100 [13:33] like, debian would easily have 5 times more packages than slackware only because of that [13:33] I count 1006 on slackware64 [13:34] same as alisonken1home ;-) [13:34] oh. it's archlinux. not much of split package there too [13:35] no -dev packages? but you'd have to count slackbuilds.org too [13:35] bzcat MANIFEST.bz2 | grep 'txz' | wc -l [13:35] I got 980 on the 32-bit disk. [13:35] I count and I count 1011 packages on the 32-bit slackware [13:35] sinuhe, that's for 13.0 [13:35] Ah... [13:35] I stand corrected. [13:35] and I count about 2000 "packages" on slackbuilds.org [13:35] adrien: hmm. there is no binary packages on slackbuilds.org? only slackbuilds , right ? [13:36] yes [13:36] solsTiCe: yeah but widely regarded and *very* easy to build so we basically "assimilate" them to the count [13:36] solsTiCe, there are a couple of special cases, yes [13:37] would you say that slackbuilds.org is semi-official ? [13:37] sbo is the official unofficial 3rd party repository for slackware [13:37] ;-) [13:38] i'd say it's completely 3rd-party, but it's important to note some people from the slackware team have slackbuilds there [13:38] like this channel is the officially unofficial irc channel (some people say "unofficially official" too) [13:38] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:38] there isn't anything more offical might be a better way to put it [13:38] and at least one or two admins are slackware core [13:39] like, I have 71 packages from sbo here [13:39] (not that many actually) [13:39] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:40] Newbieslacker (~xxx@190.137.66.217) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:41] I only have about 13 [13:45] I should clean them a bit ;-) [13:45] s/a bit/a lot/ [13:45] I even have twin, it's a console window manager ;p [13:45] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:46] yeah, gives you windows in console [13:46] i keep getting this error when running a 32bit binary on my multilib 13.1: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXi.so.6: undefined symbol: XESetWireToEventCookie [13:47] what binary? [13:47] bitcoin [13:48] and /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 exists? [13:49] and you installed multilib for the same version of slackware that you installed and are running? [13:49] yes, it does [13:49] yes, for 13.1 [13:50] petera3 (pa3@75-149-128-53-Connecticut.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left ##slackware. [13:51] also i get this: ./bitcoin: /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by ./bitcoin) [13:51] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/libxi-so-6-undefined-symbol-xesetwiretoeventcookie-error-current-792820/ [13:52] great. thanks alisonken1home [13:52] google is your friend [13:52] digifor (~felixdz@2001:0:53aa:64c:187b:81cb:8503:4b03) joined ##slackware. [13:53] google es muy evil [13:53] then find another one you like [13:53] Just installed slackware 13.1. with my 3g modem and wvdial I can ping ip addresses including opendns but not url. What is the likely cause? [13:54] digifor: DNS [13:54] check /etc/resolv.conf [13:54] make sure you have the proper dns setup [13:55] alisonken1home: I installed the package, for 64bit slack but i get the same error [13:55] thanks xsamurai [13:55] Azeotrope, then ldd each library to see what other packages you missed [13:56] starting with bitcoin itself [13:57] alisonken1home: seems that i didn't missed anything http://pastebin.com/Kyagp52p [13:57] danixland (~danix@host253-63-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:58] danix (~danix@host146-63-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:58] Azeotrope, did you ldd each one of the library files that bitcoin relies upon as well? [13:58] that's why I said "start with bitcoin" [13:58] Thuzzik (~quassel@host238-120-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:58] is there hplip package for slackware i need to print with photosmart printer over network [13:58] CUPS [13:59] Azeotrope: ldd /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 # try that as well [13:59] as long as photosmart printer has either cups-enabled print server in it or the photosmart printer is attached to a computer with cups and is networkable [14:00] trhodes: not missing anything there [14:00] now do the same for the rest of the files listed [14:01] example: ldd libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 [14:01] ldd: ./libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: No such file or directory [14:02] you need to use the one on the right - the one with the full pathname [14:02] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [14:02] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) left irc: Changing host [14:02] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [14:02] linux-gate can be ignored, that's internal to the kernel [14:03] iceheart (0@120.195.170.78) joined ##slackware. [14:03] and if it's missing - then you need to find which package to install [14:03] Azeotrope: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566011 [14:04] Azeotrope: /usr/local won't be the issue [14:04] maybe a version issue [14:05] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:08] alisonken1home: i did the ldd thing, i'm not missing anything [14:08] trhodes: so i' have to downgrade?? [14:09] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.91) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Azeotrope: strace it [14:10] Nick change: danixland -> danix [14:10] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:11] 1. use ldd ----> 2. use strace ----> 3. install windows and live with eviljames in the mountains [14:13] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [14:13] isn't installing windows bad enough on its own? [14:15] true [14:15] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [14:17] danix (~danix@host253-63-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:18] iceheart (0@120.195.170.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:18] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:18] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.91) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:21] lem (~xxx@190.229.185.29) joined ##slackware. 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[14:31] madbear - you want to start a flameware? :) [14:32] alisonken1home: I thought this would be a monday morning conversation stimulator :/ [14:32] oops its friday! [14:32] badabing! [14:32] madbear: why do you need aptitude ? [14:33] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:34] hehe i really dont but.. can we discuss this matter? :P [14:34] no. [14:34] in that case no [14:35] madbear: sure. about 15 years ago. [14:35] you may goto #slackware-offtopic for mental ejaculation [14:35] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [14:36] xsamurai: i didnt even know about that #.. and its not ecac... yuck.. [14:36] alisonken1home: good one :P [14:36] well trying to prove a point that has no benefit for anybody sounds like whanking to me [14:37] heh [14:38] beerkid3 (~beersage@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:39] s/no benefit/limited benefit/ && s/anybody/newbies/ [14:39] for example, "why cant slackware come with sharks with laser mounted helmets" [14:39] jhw (~jhw@p57982096.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:39] Hey - there's an app for that :) [14:40] jhw (~jhw@p57982096.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] and random guy starts off with , well I believe "yada yada" [14:40] haha [14:40] alisonken1home: apt-get install shark shark-laser shark-laser-dev libshark libshark-6.0-pam [14:40] and it tracks deps!! :P [14:41] dpkg-reconfigure sharkhelmet [14:41] and the slackware alternative is installpkg shark-eater ? [14:41] slacpkg install laser-mirror [14:41] beerkid (beerkid@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:42] nachox (~imarambio@201.216.213.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:43] you'd have to read the build first to make sure everything is there and you dont have a bloated shark with 10 fins, grep configure -A 30 sharklaser.Slackbuild ; ./sharklaser.Slackbuild ; echo done [14:45] smokeybandit (~smokey@207-237-243-149.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [14:45] nachox (~imarambio@201.216.213.17) joined ##slackware. [14:47] the nice thing about laser-mirror is you don't need shark deps :) [14:53] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-erkuhickbjxiemls) joined ##slackware. [14:53] stupid smiley script. [14:54] tmkd (user-448@clients.shells.eofnet.lt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:54] I see what it does now while I was away [14:55] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:56] tmkd (user-448@clients.shells.eofnet.lt) joined ##slackware. [14:56] it was annoying, so an op killed it [14:58] yeah, I didn't know what it did. I ran it saw nothing. Left then came back to see I was kicked from channels. [14:59] a "friend" showed me the scripts. guess I learned a lesson on that [14:59] nvision (~nvision@e179134207.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.59.38) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:03] hmm, if i can disable a touchpad on a laptop with "xinput set-int-prop..." in fluxbox (but keep the stick active) how can i do the same on the console? [15:04] tell gpm which one to use and ignore the other? [15:04] either that or find the magic cookie to feed it to disable touch screen input [15:05] ahh, gpm! duh [15:06] i was over thinking it [15:07] Nick change: admiralboom -> admboomR [15:10] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.38) joined ##slackware. [15:10] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [15:11] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:11] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [15:11] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [15:14] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Growl (~Growl@109.105.173.70) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:15] pnq (asdf@AC82A598.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt2-port-183.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] brainvision (~brainvisi@host41-17-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:19] hi boyz and girlz.. [15:19] just a little question, please [15:19] have kde a network manager installed by default? [15:20] are you asking about wireless management? [15:20] aside freom kwifimanager and kppp? [15:20] typically most of us recommend wicd [15:22] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [15:22] yes alisonken1home [15:22] but wicd is gtk based [15:22] I use it in xfce.. [15:22] wicd is python based - and has an ncurses interface as well [15:23] yes I know, but I mean a graphical manager.. [15:23] I can use wpa-supplicant [15:23] at this point [15:23] no gtk? [15:23] they could probably use some help adding qt support as well [15:23] grazymax (~grazymax@host218-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:23] yes, wicd (the gui) uses the gtk widget set [15:23] basically start with the pygtk package and port to pyqt package [15:23] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE5AD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [15:24] brainvision: so you dont use firefox either? its gtk [15:24] sahko: you are right, but you know [15:24] I usually use xfce always [15:24] now I need a fresh installation of slackware [15:24] with kde [15:24] i would say that given the amount of gtk-based apps, not having the gtk backends very much hinders a desktop [15:24] that I never used.. [15:24] so I'm asking.. :) [15:25] I use wicd and kde all of the time - works fine [15:25] stop saying you use xfce, what does that have to do with anything? [15:25] I think I'll use konqueror, anyway [15:25] firefox is in fact a gnome app, not only gtk... [15:25] you think you avoid gtk when you use xfce? [15:25] I think I'll use konqueror, anyway [15:25] FF isn't a gnome app [15:25] Action: mancha thinks you don't grok what gtk is [15:25] it can integrate with gnome, but is just a GTK application [15:25] mancha: WTF??? [15:26] you keep talking about xfce as if it were some magical gtk-free planet [15:26] ???? [15:26] you are mad [15:26] completely [15:26] I'm only saying [15:26] that usually I use xfce (and so gtk) [15:26] and I'm not experienced [15:26] with kde (and so QT) [15:27] then what's the problem with wicd if gtk is there? [15:27] nader (~nader@85.133.204.97) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:27] I don't think it's a big problem :) [15:27] I was asking [15:27] brainvision, unless you're a programmer, there's not much difference between gtk and qt [15:28] the biggest differences in gtk and qt are from the programmer's perspective, so i don't know why you care, brainvision [15:28] if kde has it own net manager [15:28] like gnome.. [15:28] that's all! [15:28] gnome is a desktop environment, just like xfce, kde, blackbox, bitchx, etc. [15:28] oh shit it's so hard!! [15:28] it does. its just not enabled in Slackware cause there is no networkmanager [15:28] ok.. [15:28] if you install it and then rebuild kde there will be [15:29] I'll use wicd, np [15:29] really sahko ?? [15:29] qt and gtk is nothing more that the lbraries that they use to draw the widgets on the screen [15:29] ok i am confused then i apologize. it just sounded weird to me, this convo alison: use wicd brain: _but_ that is gtk alison: you can port to qt brain: but i use xfce [15:29] I know that alisonken1home [15:29] the whole thing made no sense to me :) [15:29] :D [15:29] mancha: agreed [15:29] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:29] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:29] it has no sense mancha [15:29] from that perspectiv [15:29] from that perspective [15:29] :) [15:30] but it's something different :) [15:30] anuyway.. [15:30] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [15:30] wicd rules! [15:30] inge_ (~sixx@212.183.140.45) joined ##slackware. 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[15:30] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [15:30] Cleanup time [15:30] kde has a few tools, i mentioned a couple: kppp and pwifimanager [15:30] i cannot attest to how good (or not) they work [15:31] LOL [15:31] theres a knetworkmanager too [15:31] oops, pwifimanager is kwifimanager (small kb; big fingers) :) [15:32] mmmm [15:32] ok boys [15:32] having 2 names doubles your chances of remembering at least one of them [15:32] thank you very much [15:33] knetworkmanager has issues with some wireless setups [15:34] danix (~danix@host45-61-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:38] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [15:39] brainvision (~brainvisi@host41-17-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:39] damn its raining again. i dont think it rained so much even during the winter [15:41] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Slayer (~slayer@71.16.143.71) left irc: [15:42] beerkid3 (~beersage@c-76-19-132-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: [15:42] Slayer (~slayer@71.16.143.71) joined ##slackware. [15:43] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:46] brainvision (~brainvisi@host181-158-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:49] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [15:50] NeanT (~me@188.26.246.25) joined ##slackware. [15:50] duet (duet@71.21.89.86) left ##slackware. [15:53] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [15:54] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:55] thrice': hey thrice are you on? [15:55] nvision (~nvision@e179134207.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:56] on what? [15:56] or on who? [15:56] haha [15:56] i got a noob question [15:57] we have condescending answers then [15:57] when will the next version of slackbook be out [15:57] oh wait, this isn't #gentoo [15:57] when Alan_Hicks finishes it [15:57] thats why i am here [15:57] probably never :) [15:57] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt2-port-183.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:57] "condescending asnwers" [15:58] or maybe i should say, don't hold your breath... [15:58] :D [15:59] is there any real big difference to upgrading from 13.1 rc1? [15:59] how version-specific is the book anyways? (for those who've read it)? [15:59] couple of minor ones [15:59] not very [15:59] duet: first one was for you - mancha second one was for you [15:59] i have been following different things in it that been very outdated [16:00] duet, oh, do you have an example? [16:00] and i got my wife addicted to urban terror [16:00] doesnt it say like the second cd is like a live boot disc? [16:00] i imagine there are config things that have changed, for example tools and behavior of X etc [16:00] or maybe the third [16:01] i want to upgrade [16:01] its not [16:01] but my wife wants our main computer to not having any down time right now [16:01] but the system mgmgt is probably as relevant as when it was written. [16:01] oh yeah im not saying that is wrong [16:01] what book? the slackbook? [16:02] yeah [16:02] and are the kernel images diff now than when that was written? [16:02] "arent?" [16:02] no - they are full sourced compiled kernels [16:02] what does the book say about kernel images? [16:03] 2.6.x.y isnt in extra nowadays for example [16:03] well when you follow the directions in the book it tells you to go to the /kernels directory [16:03] oh they're in /k now right? [16:03] link to the book you're using? [16:04] instead you can point to a different image in /boot [16:04] oh still in /kernels, sorry [16:04] but im new to linux and im cutting my teeth on slackware [16:04] no - /k is the kernel sources [16:04] ok [16:04] i must be confused [16:05] duet, what does it say about that, to change the default ones in /boot? [16:05] my recommendation is to not deal with changing the kernel if you're "...im new to linux and im cutting my teeth..." [16:05] but that where the fun is [16:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:06] especially when it doesnt boot afterwards [16:06] ok then, why wait for the slack 3.0 book? where;'s the fun in having it all explained? [16:06] and your wife gets upset because she cannot play urban terror [16:06] duet, that's why there's also a laptop available [16:07] i just wanted my first physical linux book to be this one [16:07] and not an outdated one [16:07] smokeybandit (~smokey@207-237-243-149.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:07] my first linux box was a 286 [16:07] or can you all recommend a different book [16:07] wow [16:08] duet: did you try 1. use ldd ----> 2. use strace ----> 3. install windows and live with eviljames in the mountains [16:08] sorry [16:08] smokeybandit (~smokey@207-237-243-149.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] did you try: http://www.slackbook.org/html/ [16:09] let me check that one real quick [16:09] the only major difference might be drive assignments since /dev/hdX changed to /dev/sdX [16:11] ok like the section on switching the kernel it says to copy bzimage to the /boot/vmlinuz [16:11] that's still a way to do it [16:11] but that is just a symlink now [16:11] not a directory [16:11] ? [16:11] you can overwrite the symlink with a real image file [16:12] oh okay [16:12] you can do it eiher way [16:12] or...you can cp the image to /boot/vmlinuz-my-new-copy and make a new symlink [16:12] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430082.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:13] cd /boot; rm vmlinuz; ln -s vmlinuz-my-new-copy vmlinuz [16:13] ok i see what your saying [16:13] or use -sf and forget the rm [16:14] danixland (~danix@host230-54-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[16:22] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:22] i was trying to make it easier for my wife to login [16:23] if they logout they should get the session mgr again [16:23] so she would see the command line [16:23] that is what runlevel 4 is [16:23] the screen goes blank [16:23] and i cant change terminals [16:23] blank when what is done? [16:23] when she logs out [16:23] log out =? [16:24] of the window manager [16:24] xfce [16:24] sorry [16:24] didnt say that [16:24] duet: look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13-with-voodoo-3-blank-screen-at-kde-logout-758014/ [16:24] with the little green man? [16:24] or whatever your theme uses? [16:24] It says "logout of KDE" but it actually is a problem with KDM - which you are using duet [16:25] yeah i think its kdm [16:25] duet: the bit in that thread for you is this: The "TerminateServer=true" line has to go under the "[X-*-Core]" section in the file "/etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc". [16:25] ok kool [16:26] that seems like it should be a default in kdmrc [16:26] does slackware also include xdm? [16:26] yes xdm is there [16:26] who wants the default ot be a black screen? [16:27] any reason why slackware doesn't slap a TerminateServer=true in there? [16:29] smokeybandit (smokey@207-237-243-149.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) left ##slackware. [16:29] mancha: malaria [16:29] gar0t0 you have that and also dengue!?! [16:30] swedala (~swedala@1-1-2-30a.gsn.gbg.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [16:30] mancha: yes!! :) [16:30] ercula_ (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] gar0t0: at least you have maradona :) [16:30] :~ [16:31] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] babaka [16:31] a donna indeed. [16:31] babaka ? [16:31] pnq (asdf@AC82A598.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:32] oh wait, it is there, just hashed... [16:33] but i am reading the comments, it says that keeping it false restarts instead of resets the X server after session exit [16:34] which is not overly clear to me (reset vs restart). also clearly reset isn't working since you get a blank screen. so is it a bug? [16:34] er, keeping it false resets rather than restartsi meant. [16:37] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:39] my brain feels fuzzy [16:40] ercula_ (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:40] : 0 i felt that way last night dealing with mounting my drive [16:40] anyone use slapt-get [16:41] or is it recommended ? [16:42] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [16:42] inge reccommended for what? [16:42] the packages [16:44] and so?? [16:44] it's obvious that it reagsrds the package :D [16:44] inge_: no its not recommended [16:45] yeah xsamurai ? [16:45] inge_: use slackpkg and sbopkg for 3rd packages [16:45] duet (duet@71.21.89.86) left ##slackware. [16:45] im actually starting the like the bsd game whats installed on my system [16:45] fortune [16:45] whay xsamurai ? [16:45] why* [16:47] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.97.140) joined ##slackware. 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[17:05] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-210.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] ohh neat, they made a tv adaptation. and david suchet is in it [17:08] haha, that's weird.. we are watching it *right* now [17:09] yeah i guess it's on sky+1! [17:10] Gawd itz howt. [17:10] danixx (~danix@host64-52-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:10] i stoles it, but yeh =P [17:11] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:12] neat, and they had it in high def too. [17:14] brainvision (~brainvisi@host181-158-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:14] pnq (asdf@172.163.176.7) joined ##slackware. [17:15] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [17:15] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [17:15] yesyes: yes, and morse code, and hamming codes, and everything else they needed to "invent". I know, it's a good story [17:16] Action: adaptr leeches [17:16] okay now that my kdm is working, do i edit the kdmrc file to change my kdm theme? [17:16] ]nevermind [17:17] i found the line [17:17] did they air both parts of going postal? [17:18] nader (~nader@85.133.204.97) joined ##slackware. [17:19] ananke: yes. $cousin sent me them on DVD-from-TV. I did sidetrack me for a substantial part of today. [17:19] *It did [17:19] ananke: it said part 2 on the g.p. screen you see directly after the ad break. it was two hours in total. only caught the last 30 mins or so. [17:20] duet (duet@71.21.89.86) left ##slackware. [17:20] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-82-231.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [17:20] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:21] awesome. can't wait to see it. the latest pratchett tv adaptation was actually quite good [the last two to be honest] [17:23] never seen any of the others. i normally dont like to watch tv or film adaptations. i prefer my own imagination. but this was quite good. and i am biased against anything sky tv produces. [17:23] hogfather and one of the discworld ones [17:24] ahh, 'the colour of magic' [17:24] its purple [17:24] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.124.229.10) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:24] actually about 15 years ago there was an adaptation of wyrd sisters. and i remember loving it and i hadnt read any pratchett at that point. [17:25] on a similar note, 'alice' was actually a very good tv adaptation of alice in wonderland. [talking about the sci-fi channel's alice] [17:25] not sure who produced it. it was on channel 4 in the uk i recall. [17:26] admboomR (~Nathan.Bl@nat-vlan0200.sat4.rackspace.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:27] ananke: i am downloading those now =) [17:27] ananke: my main gripe with tCoM was David Jason's Rincewind. he's not scruffy enough by far [17:28] DJ is a great actor, but Rincewind should be a REAL idiot, not a make-believe one [17:28] mac- (mac@mandzur.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:28] hi there [17:28] slackware is sooooo tidy [17:28] all the extra bits i require are slackbuilds, stored in /tmp [17:28] phrag: you'll enjoy those, i guarantee. interestingly enough, most of the people i know also liked it better than the recent movie adaptation with johnny depp [17:29] eww what a load of crap that was [17:30] anyone know how can I check on which type of connection GSM modem negotiates it ? [17:30] I have nozomi [17:30] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.124.229.10) joined ##slackware. [17:30] eh whu ? [17:30] I mean if it is GPRS, HSDPA etc [17:30] inge_ (~sixx@212.183.140.45) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:31] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [17:31] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@97.103.10.* expired. [17:31] ##slackware: mode change '-bb *away!*@* *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:31] a GSM modem can only do GPRS [17:31] my next mission is kvm [17:31] Nick change: ente -> goaway [17:31] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:31] goaway kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [17:31] HSDPA != GSM [17:31] solsTiCe (solsTiCe@ARennes-553-1-85-9.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [17:31] ananke: i read them when i was young, looking forward to watching them =) [17:31] ente (~ente@unaffiliated/n0nsense) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Action: adaptr has all of them on the top shelf [17:32] :-D [17:32] pretty colours [17:32] ente: well that backfired. ;) [17:32] adaptr: I eman in GSM network [17:32] what kernel module do i need to install for kvm: [17:32] mean* [17:32] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=kvm&sv=13.1 [17:32] BP{k}: indeed :-D [17:32] is slackboy a bot? [17:33] mac-: yes, I know. GSM is a standard. HSDPA is also a standard. GPRS is packet switching over a GSM network. HSDPA is neither. [17:34] I know, HSDPA is in 3G network [17:34] i normally give my old pratchett books to charity. [17:34] they're excellent but i dont think ill read them again. [17:34] but you know, I have modem that can negotiate both GPRS, CDMA or HSDPA [17:35] but don`t know which one set as current [17:35] actually i have night watch still, as i definitely would read that again. [17:35] ente: dont prod slackboy, he bites [17:35] and I`m wonder if there is any frontend software which can show it [17:35] phrag: hey, I was kidding :P [17:35] I hate awaynicks [17:36] =P [17:36] ente: yeps. he doens't like people going away ;) [17:36] nobody likes that [17:36] there's a /away [17:36] did the guy wanting gprs help leave? [17:37] gprs as in cellphone? [17:37] mac-: if you have a proper API or ABI documentation for the modem, that should tell you which commands to send [17:37] cypherpunko (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:37] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-143-194.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:37] I can provide my wvdial.conf for some UMTS-stick if anybody cares [17:38] nachox (~imarambio@201.216.213.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:39] ente: yeah [17:39] cypherpunko (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] http://npaste.de/W3/ [17:49] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [17:50] i havent bothered with umts sticks under linux yet, namely cos theres 3 different usages. monthly flatrate, daily, or just by call. i fear i fuck up things good just playing around with the (undocumented) stuff. [17:51] hi folks, i am trying to upgrade my pc so i configure slap-get with official ftp (ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.1/) when try to download tell me: FTP: Command REST failed [17:51] my prob comes from ftp server ? [17:51] ovnicraft: (1) *never* use the master server ftp.slackware.com ... always use a mirror [17:51] ovnicraft: please use a mirror [17:51] ovnicraft: really don't ... ^^ yeah what alienBOB said. [17:52] And (2) why slapt-get? [17:52] oh, alienBOB beat me [17:52] turbo-fingers [17:52] Use slackpkg for upgrading your Slackware - it is the officially supported tool for that, whereas slapt-get is not [17:52] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] I think I am going to buy a usb mouse. I always have problems with bluetooth when I upgrade. :P [17:52] gsb user :) [17:53] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.138.139) joined ##slackware. [17:53] plus the nsa will have a *harder* time reading your mouse movements [17:54] mancha: I live inside a mobile aluminum foil cocoon. [17:54] If you ever wondered what Jiffy Pop felt like... [17:54] foil keeps EM out but not sound, they can run tap-analysis on your KB [17:55] i think stroke-analysis sounds better [17:55] mancha: that's why I hang a cage filled with chipmunks in here to mask that [17:55] huh huh. you said stroke. [17:55] (sorry) [17:55] that can be easily filtered through the use of sprectral analysis [17:55] presto, chipmunk sounds masked out [17:56] what if you have chipmunks using keyboards at the same time ? [17:56] how will you know which kb sound is non chipmunkish ? [17:56] what if the bottom of the cage is a keyboard and they have to walk across it? [17:56] yeah mancha, now what !? [17:57] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:57] Even if that fails, I have a backup wombat. I hope I never have to use it. [17:57] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:57] the best thing is to live in a copper mesh with soundproofing boards and no access to the internet. stock up on 10 years worth of bottled water and tunafish [17:58] I hate not understanding how my bluetooth mouse works. I thought I did but now I can't use the cli tools anymore (I guess I need to use blueman-manager). [17:59] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:59] blueman-manager tells me it is connecting BUT IT LIES [17:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:59] s/connecting/connected/ [17:59] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:59] and now my Del Taco is getting cold while I mess around with this. [18:00] If I get salmonella poisoning I am going to blame blueman-manager. [18:00] i don't have bluetooth on my laptop(i've been too lazy to buy the tiny usb adapter for it), so i have no idea what to tell you [18:00] you can tell him how you don't have any experience with blutooth so you have nothing to tell him [18:00] jhw (~jhw@p57982096.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:00] zaltekk: you apparently had some idea of what to tell me. [18:01] :P [18:01] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.138.139) left irc: Quit: buh-bye. [18:01] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.97.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430082.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] i have some experience with it...but i don't have any bluetooth on my laptop so i can't look at it currently [18:03] the worst is not knowing if it's the crappy hardware that's the problem or that I'm missing something with configuration. [18:03] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:03] do you not have another device to test? [18:03] blame yourself first, OS next, HW last. [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430082.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] no zaltekk :( [18:04] NeanT (~me@188.26.246.25) joined ##slackware. [18:05] ok, there is an authorization request for the mouse, so it sees it. I click always accept then close the silly warning. That means it's trusted now. [18:06] At this point blueman-manager says it's pointing but also that the mouse is not connected to the input service. lame. [18:06] sounds like a configuration problem [18:06] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.14.18) joined ##slackware. [18:07] yeah. I have only found one forum post about this similar issue but it is not scientifically sound (I cannot reproduce the forum poster's results). [18:07] I blame science. [18:07] ;P [18:07] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:08] achtung [18:08] pireau (1000@208.92.18.102) joined ##slackware. [18:09] i blame science too! biology :) [18:09] mancha: you're so kind. :P [18:09] heh [18:09] i'm just playin' - it's friday innit? [18:09] I will go to a Catholic church and light a candle for you. [18:09] THEN I WILL BLOW IT OUT. [18:10] mancha: I know you're kidding. :) [18:10] +1 for bluez documentaion in /usr/share/doc [18:10] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-70-95-181-136.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] *documentation [18:13] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-70-95-181-136.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:14] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-21-94.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [18:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-204-28.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] HAH. I beat it! [18:20] Action: popl happily scrolls his scroll wheel. [18:21] nvision (~nvision@g231184192.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] ok, now to eat. later kids. [18:21] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: Callooh!! Callay!! 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[18:41] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: EPIC5-1.0[1581] - amnesiac : crack the liars smile [18:44] NeanT (~me@188.26.246.25) left irc: Quit: bye [18:46] nader (~nader@85.133.204.97) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:51] mancha: no but i use openshot video editor and i've had a good experience with it so far. [18:52] fwiw. [18:52] ah, never used that...it's nonlinear editing? [18:52] Sorry, i don't know what you mean by that. [18:53] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [18:53] hey guys [18:54] agent, it's sort of industry-speak for being able to jump around to any frame you want w/o having to process the earlier ones [18:54] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:54] i.e. a cd versus a tape (to make an analogy to music media) [18:54] I compiled my 2.6.33.4-smp as generic and wanted to know, anything to do with automouting under a file manager like pcmanfm, are there any mods that needed to be back in /lib/modules, anything for hal, dbus or polkit, or anything else that might effect automount? [18:55] not sure if I need to reinstall anything because I can't get pcmanfm to automount my usb storage [18:55] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:55] mancha: My answer is yes, 98% yes. Once you add the clip you want to edit, you can skip anywhere you want and it loads that frame instantly. [18:55] doubt it [18:55] but that's just me [18:57] i'm getting worried though, video editors seem to be popping up left and right, are they the new irc client? [18:57] :) [18:57] mancha: it's on SBo and it has a few dep's. If you use sbopkg, i recommend downloading the queue file, just makes it easier imo. :D [18:57] heh. [18:57] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-197-81.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:58] i'll give it a shot at some point. cinelerra is unfortunately dead it seems... [18:58] brainvision (~brainvisi@host181-158-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:58] and was curious about kdenlive since i remember readig about it when it first appeared...was hoping it had matured nicely :) [18:59] thanks for the tip on openshot [19:00] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [19:00] http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/poll-results-best-linux-video-editor.html [19:01] now, when you read this keep in mind what they say "most WebUpd8 readers use Gnome" and openshot is a "gnome app" while kdenlive is a "kde app" [19:01] mancha: heheh, there ya go. [19:02] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [19:02] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [19:02] heh, cinelerra's not even there...something's off [19:02] that's cuz openshot is pretty much just awesome and taking over. :P [19:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [19:05] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:05] Hmm I just read this about hal, anyone know? -----> /usr/bin/hal-device-manager needs PyGTK and a few things from gnome in order to work. Pat elected to leave the binary in the package due to the fact that some users will elect to install one of the third-party gnome builds, and any of those should provide the necessary dependencies for hal-device-manager to work. [19:06] hmm that was posted a few years ago I see that now there is only 'hal-device' but do I need certain things installed for it to work? [19:08] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:09] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:10] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:10] pnq (asdf@172.163.176.7) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:11] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:12] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:12] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. 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[19:32] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:32] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:36] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Quit: Oh cwap! [19:39] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.44.43) joined ##slackware. [19:39] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-71-87.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:40] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] anyone have problems with display not coming back after closing laptop? or it detecting it as a new display after opening [19:41] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-177-167.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] phrag: after suspending the system? [19:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:43] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:43] no, just closing the laptop lid.. so effectively turning off laptop display [19:44] nachox (~Ignacio@201.216.213.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:48] just closing the laptop lid often suspend the laptop [19:48] which can easily cause the problems with the display not coming back if the pm-suspend quirks aren't correct [19:49] yeh it;s not suspending [19:49] Razec (~razec@187.34.20.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:50] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.21.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:50] when it is detected as a new display, does it show that you have two displays? [19:50] or does it think that your display was disconnected and reconnect? [19:51] +ed [19:51] phrag: I did have that issue [19:52] phrag: latest kernel fixed it for me though [19:52] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.244) joined ##slackware. [19:53] ubuntu_ (~ubuntu@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [19:53] hello all [19:53] please someone help me with PPPoE on slackware 13.1? [19:53] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon128551.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [19:54] i write pppoe-setup [19:54] and i write my username, password etc.. [19:54] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:54] when I try to start pppoe with pppoe-start [19:54] time out and not connected me to internet? [19:54] OutBound: intel driver by any chance? [19:54] yep [19:55] please someone help me :( [19:55] OutBound: champion, thanks =) [19:55] if you look in the kernel changlog, there is mention of the fixes for suspend on many laptops [19:55] no prob [19:56] @CONNECT "$@" >/dev/null 2>&1 line 194: 2141 Terminated [19:56] i have this problem [19:56] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Mine is the ibm lenovo ideapad and even though it isn't specifically mentioned it was still fixed. [19:56] ubuntu_: please provide some more verbose information, like logs, config files.. use a pastebin (and consider changing your nick to get a better response =) [19:56] Razec (~razec@187.34.19.129) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Please look at this, http://imagebin.ca/view/fcwAzNru.html. This is grub2 compiled against slackware64 13.1. [19:56] like this problem http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/slackware-pppoe-problem-488451/ [19:56] when i write pppoe-start [19:57] and.. "timed out" and the following: [19:57] @CONNECT "$@" >/dev/null 2>&1 line 194: 2141 Terminated [19:57] i can't pppoe-connect [19:57] and i can't surf the inet? [19:57] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.13.139) joined ##slackware. [19:57] can someone explain this [19:57] http://pastebin.com/NZgFdWuG [19:57] yay ubuntu [19:57] you are trying to connect to "$@" ? i suggest you need a number to dial? [19:57] slackware == ubuntu [19:57] Action: ente parts [19:57] http://pastebin.com/U0pF0yH3 [19:58] did you really take a photo of your monitor instead of taking a screenshot? [19:58] before when I use slackware 13.0 [19:58] slackware == ubuntu? [19:58] i don't have any problems [19:58] now just not connect me with pppoe-start [19:58] timeout.. ? [19:58] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:58] how to fix this problem ;(? [19:59] TriniTuX: what is there to explain? [19:59] ente and crocket because I have creative x-fi titanium and.. [19:59] ubuntu_: check your config file.. there might be a .new or .orig and chamges may be needed [19:59] now on alsa 10.0.23 have support this sound card [19:59] zaltekk: well my root partition is 20gigs [19:59] phrag, where can I find this config file? [19:59] not 15 as specified by df [20:00] ubuntu_: slackpkg new-config [20:00] and [20:00] ? [20:00] Oh man [20:00] afther this slackpkg new-config [20:00] what i need to do? [20:00] ?' [20:00] perhaps /etc/ppp/* [20:00] Slackware is only so faster than windows vista. [20:00] merge the new files [20:01] Even KDE beats vista in performance. [20:01] Slackware is now my primary OS, and vista the secondary. [20:01] ubuntu_: /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf would be a good place to start [20:01] yea [20:01] crocket: congrats =) [20:01] tnx [20:01] i forget [20:01] where is the pppoe.conf [20:01] and now.. [20:02] phrag : did you see my grub2 screenshot? [20:02] i go to try again :) [20:02] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:06] zaltekk: they are in fact the same drive [20:06] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:06] zaltekk: I think I may have tracked down the problem [20:06] zaltekk: I moved my / using dd into a larger partition [20:06] apprently it copies the size [20:06] well, that makes a raw copy of the disk [20:06] including the filesystem [20:07] resize2fs is a way to retify it [20:07] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:07] a raw copy should not change partition data esp if its smaller [20:07] ... [20:07] it copies the filesystem [20:07] meaning the filesystem still thinks it is the same size [20:08] why should fdisk -l see it and not df [20:08] because fdisk doesn't deal with filesystem [20:08] +s [20:08] true [20:08] lol [20:09] hence the resize2fs 'filesytem' tool [20:09] cough* cough* the solution was on a ubuntu forum.... [20:09] probably because a ubuntu user made the same mistake yo udid. [20:10] yep I've done this before with drives of the same geometry so I never 'noticed' it [20:11] hopefully the kernel supports online resizing [20:15] ne7work (~ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [20:15] hello all [20:15] http://pastebin.com/e6Qb1eXH [20:15] please help me :( [20:16] ne7work, Was your nickname ubuntu_? [20:16] yea [20:17] zaltekk: ha brainsurgery was a sucess and yes on-line resising was avaliable [20:17] I'm sorry I can't help because I haven't used ppp. [20:17] clavius (1000@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [20:17] zaltekk: thanks sometimes you need a discussion to solve as issue [20:18] please someone help me [20:18] http://pastebin.com/e6Qb1eXH [20:18] Razec (~razec@187.34.19.129) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:18] ne7work, settle. down. [20:18] what? [20:20] hiptobecubic, ? [20:20] the last time I've used ppp I used minicom instead [20:20] inside minicom atdt ispnumber [20:20] ne7work: settle down - wait more than 30 seconds before screaming bloody murder [20:20] when connected then I launched ppp in another shell [20:21] presto snailpace internet [20:21] ne7work: it also helps if you ask an actual question, instead of spouting panic for no apparent reason [20:21] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:22] adaptr, can you help me? [20:22] with WHAT [20:22] ne7work: explain the problem [20:22] http://pastebin.com/e6Qb1eXH [20:22] here is the problem [20:22] ne7work: fail. ASK a QUESTION [20:23] how to fix it [20:23] more fail [20:23] how to fix this timeout how to connect to internet? [20:23] and again [20:23] what is the pado packet [20:23] ne7work: stop spamming the channel [20:23] how to install pado [20:23] ( [20:24] ne7work: did it work for you previously? what changed? etc.? [20:24] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:24] i don't know before i connect to internet with slackware 13.0 [20:25] and now I have this problem with 13.1 [20:25] brainvision (~brainvisi@host181-158-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:25] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:25] ne7work: I take it you are using a modem? [20:25] y/n [20:26] ne7work: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/ [20:26] i don't have a modem [20:26] kwikness (kwikness@c-24-128-93-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] i'm with cable direct into my network card [20:26] so why are you using PPP ? [20:26] ? [20:27] i need pppoe [20:27] connect [20:27] i write pppoe-setup and.. [20:27] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:27] i need help :( [20:27] ne7work: is english your primary language? [20:27] not bulgarian [20:27] if it is please be more explicit [20:27] is my primary language [20:27] oh [20:28] sorry I don't know that [20:28] stop spamming the channel or you will be removed, be patient and use your time to read whilst you wait for an answer.. dont just keep repeating yourself please. Final warning [20:28] my english is not soo good.. [20:28] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [20:28] I'm sure everyone will be patient with you as english is not your first language [20:28] and for me is hard to read all information for pppoe on slackbook and etc.. [20:28] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [20:29] ne7work : Did you read slackbook? [20:29] crocket: he is having difficulty reading it [20:29] What would be the reason he has difficulty? [20:30] I'm bulgarian [20:30] english not his first lanugage; is it avaliable in other languages? [20:30] my english is not soo good [20:30] does not mean you need to keep repeating yourself, be patient [20:30] and for me is easy to ask not for read on english [20:30] perhaps someone who has a cable connection can help him [20:30] amnesia (~amnesia@c-68-54-184-2.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] SLACKEWaRE@!#@ [20:30] I don't know as I don't have that in my area [20:31] ne7work : Keep working on english since english is pervasive in this era. [20:31] u sure? [20:31] i thought spanish was [20:31] yes, WE are sure [20:31] oh [20:31] also, WE spel [20:31] 'we' [20:31] crocket, okay [20:31] English is the language of technical materials [20:31] spel'? [20:32] I AM SORRY ALL MIGHTY GEEK ONE [20:32] somebody know how to fix it http://pastebin.com/e6Qb1eXH ? or no? [20:32] :( [20:32] ne7work : Few people use pppoe today. [20:32] ne7work: have you understood, say, 50% of what has been said to you .? or are you just not listening ? [20:32] ne7work: repeating that url will NOT get you an answer [20:32] dont you love it [20:32] ne7work [20:33] ananke, why? [20:33] ne7work : http://pastebin.com/e6Qb1eXH is difficult to read since readability is the issue. [20:34] somebody here tell me to pastebin my problem [20:34] It's hard to discriminate the standard output from the commands. [20:34] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:34] nachox (~Ignacio@201.216.213.17) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] ne7work: possible, but that does not mean that your involvement in solving YOUR OWN problem stops there. [20:35] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] it's no use whining and repeating the same non-information and pointing at that URL [20:36] adaptr : Let's be easy on him. [20:36] if people don't understand your question, or you don't understand their answers, ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY [20:36] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [20:36] what are u [20:36] crocket: this has precious little to do with language; it has to do with affort [20:36] like a genius? [20:36] *effort, spelfail [20:36] adaptr : ok [20:36] omFFFG [20:36] amnesia: if you have nothing to contribute, I'd prefer it if you didn't add to the noise [20:37] dude [20:37] fuck u [20:37] period [20:37] Channel flood from amnesia -- kicking [20:37] :] [20:37] amnesia kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:37] amnesia (~amnesia@c-68-54-184-2.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] ha [20:37] lmao [20:37] i flooded [20:37] yes [20:37] you did [20:37] that made the beer worth drinijng [20:37] amnesia : Watch your language, sir. [20:37] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] sir? [20:38] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:38] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-68-54-184-2.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [20:38] amnesia kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [20:38] ah [20:38] hmm? [20:39] There was no obvious reason to ban amnesia. [20:39] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:39] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [20:39] ne7work : I googled it for you. Try this ---> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-sixth/msg03895.html [20:40] ne7work : If it doesn't work, keep working on your side by googling your error messages. [20:40] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:43] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [20:43] kwikness (kwikness@c-24-128-93-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:43] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [20:43] Does anybody use konversation here? [20:43] crocket: 20 lines, nonsense and noise, no visible support. plenty of reason [20:43] yes, I do [20:43] ne7work (~ne7work@78.83.153.108) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:44] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:44] adaptr : the reasons for banning amnesia? [20:44] heh, you didnt see his pm.. he just earned a lengthy ban [20:44] pm = private message? [20:44] correct [20:45] to me as well, but I just ignored him [20:45] I just earned a kickban from irc.atheme.org for asking stupid questions, anyway. [20:45] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:45] he appears the vindictive type, which is usually not advisable with people who can remove you permanently [20:45] how do you get a kickban from a network? lol [20:45] It was a kickban for a week. [20:45] crocket: this is freenode. standards are higher. [20:45] I asked some trivial questions in #audacious irc.atheme.org [20:46] That bothered people there and they just kicked me out. [20:46] for a week [20:46] adaptr : thanks for freenode [20:46] are you done ? [20:46] done [20:47] adaptr : I'm considering a transfer to konversation since xchat is old. [20:47] I've never liked xchat [20:47] I can live with konversation, even though it's bag-slow at times [20:47] it's a tradeoff [20:48] adaptr : this is a screenshot of xchat ---> http://imagebin.ca/view/HD3bBc.html [20:48] um...why ? [20:48] phrag, what was the link you pasted today? the funny one [20:48] adaptr : Did you abandon xchat for its GUI? [20:48] I did not abandon it [20:49] nachox: http://dontevenreply.com =P [20:49] Dragging a desktop icon in KDE is real slow, man. [20:49] I don't know why KDE get slow unneccesarily. [20:50] XFCE is more buggy than KDE. [20:50] Does anybody have a problem with desktop icons drawn shattered in XFCE? [20:51] If you move a window over and out of a selected desktop icon in XFCE, the icon starts drawn shattered. [20:52] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] Plus, XFCE terminal often drew texts in wrong places. [20:53] End of complaints [20:53] TriniTuX (clayton@cuscon128551.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware. [20:53] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:53] crocket: maybe you should turn off compositing if you have issues with icons and windows moving slowly [20:54] Windows don't move slowly. [20:54] Only icons are dragged slowly. [20:54] KDE has buggy compositing. [20:55] GNOME should have been in slackware. [20:55] and grub2 too. ffs lilo? who uses that? [20:55] GNOME is more complex than XFCE and less buggy than both XFCE and KDE4. [20:55] what's wrong with lilo? [20:55] ugh, you are SO right crocket [20:55] nothing wrong except it's not maintained well. [20:55] and what's with .txz files? they don't even do deps!! [20:56] thrice` : Is that sarcasm? [20:56] i've always liked kde more than gnome, even on distros that default to gnome [20:56] no, never [20:57] thrice`: :) [20:57] lilo is ideal, grub is overly complex for a boot loader [20:57] thrice` : no dependency check is done on purpose. [20:57] really? [20:57] btw, I've used slackware about 7 years. but please, explain :> [20:58] the only thing i've seen grub do that i thought would be nice to have is being able to have the menu only pop up when you boot holding shift. otherwise it goes straight into the default boot option [20:58] I heard PV dropped dependency checks since dependencies managed by developers are not updated well and tend to be mingled. [20:58] also not true :> [20:58] thrice` : it helps in certain situations, anyway. [20:59] ##slackware: mode change '-q *!*@75.110.36.127' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [20:59] In ubuntu, grub2 depends on os-prober. [20:59] you act as though package managers figure out dependencies themselves [20:59] ##slackware: mode change '-qnjf evil!*@*' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [20:59] ##slackware: mode change '+n ' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:59] When you want to just delete os-prober and reinstall it, you have to delete grub2 together in ubuntu. [20:59] ##slackware: mode change '-q evil!*@*' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [20:59] yes, that's retarded; grub2 works perfectly well without such silly debian scripts [21:00] thrice` : It's a neccesity when you have many OSes. [21:00] no, it's not [21:00] ##slackware: mode change '-q alienjeff!*@*' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [21:00] editing your grub config by hand is perfectly acceptable [21:01] thrice` : Have you used grub2? [21:01] thrice`: does the script probe for OSes every time you boot? [21:01] i gave you the grub2 slackbuild, of course :> [21:01] zaltekk : only when you run grub-mkconfig, it is probed. [21:01] ah. not that bad then [21:02] thrice` : Manual modification has been replaced by scripting. [21:02] <3 lilo, grub2 is good for multiboot usb sticks imo. [21:02] thrice` : any reason you don't like os-prober? [21:03] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] i'm saying, 'dependent' to me, means "cannot work without" [21:03] that's very untrue with grub2, since it works fine [21:03] crocket: i prefer to edit the grub.cfg manually myself as well [21:03] thrice` : slackware emphasizes control... if there is ever a point to be emphasized. [21:04] I already have os-prober, unifont, grub2 1.98 packages patched and ready for installation. [21:04] those scripts are over kill and replace learning how to edit the file in my opinion also [21:04] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [21:04] OutBound : Those scripts reduce your typing load. [21:05] You only have to modify bits over there and there. [21:05] that's all you had to do in the first place [21:05] er, that is all you have to do manually as well. [21:05] Scripts also serve to be an educational purpose if you turn it to. [21:05] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [21:05] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [21:05] hmm [21:05] 10 minutes to set up a grub.cfg is not excessive typing [21:06] ok [21:06] Preference [21:06] 2-1 flyers after 1st period [21:06] : 0 [21:06] OutBound : But do know that everybody can't be a geek. [21:07] Some people are just bound to be script kitties. [21:07] meow [21:07] If you are booting 100 distros on one computer then maybe i can see using os-prober or whatever [21:07] don't be silly, this is slackware. installation assumes you know how to read and type [21:07] or many distros [21:08] why other distros? also silly :) [21:08] thrice` : I was discussing about os-prober in general use. [21:08] thrice` : You can have other distros on VMs. [21:08] hehe [21:09] I have ubuntu on a VM. [21:09] ashhahahaha hah ah aha [21:09] heh [21:10] as, thrice said, 'why' [21:10] OutBound : Don't you sometimes accidentally screw up a script and save it or delete it? [21:11] Scripts can help rebuild a neat template in seconds. [21:13] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:13] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [21:13] hey guys [21:14] I forgot does 13.1 have a symlink tool to check forr broke or dangling syms? [21:14] When I want easytag, slackware just let me down. No dependency check has down sides. [21:14] Yes: find(1) :) [21:14] something like gift and curse. [21:15] Guest7526 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [21:15] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [21:16] rworkman: was that to me? [21:16] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: changing servers [21:17] dependency checking is tedious, its just as easy to see what couldn't be loaded when the binary blows up [21:17] crocket: you're the dep checker :) That's the Slack way :) [21:17] run something from a term and see what it says then go from there, couldn't be any simpler [21:17] When autotools dependency checks don't work, that's when slackware becomes scary. [21:18] like grub2 doesn't require os-prober at all. [21:18] brainvision (~brainvisi@host181-158-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [21:18] doesn't even recommend [21:18] rworkman: congrats on the "release" :) [21:18] to many other distros throw in things that aren't needed [21:18] was it the full release? [21:19] well I'll take it that reply from rworkman was for me and if so how would you use find to look for broken or dangling syms? [21:19] I've looked at the man, don't quite see how [21:20] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] yes, even Arch when you install enlightenment adds a bunch of junk as deps that aren't actually required [21:24] As a result, I would recommend os-prober and unifont as a dependency in grub2 that I submit to slackbuilds. [21:25] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] Xgates: find . -type l -print | perl -nle '-e || print' ; [21:26] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-097-185.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [21:27] crocket: what does os-prober do? [21:27] ang: thanks, that's looks familiar :) [21:28] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.13.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving to Office............... [21:28] Does it allow grub2 to find non-linux partitions [21:28] clavius (1000@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:29] NaCl : os-prober probes OSes on other partitions than the one on which grub2 exists. [21:29] It can probe linux partitions as well. [21:29] just probes other partitions [21:29] *other* [21:29] right. [21:29] Grub2 has 30_os-prober script in /etc/grub.d [21:29] Xgates: or just: find -L . -type l [21:30] So inclusion of os-prober is strongly recommended. [21:30] If you don't want it to be executed, just type chmod -x /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober. [21:31] The script is apparently ignored if os-prober is not installed [21:31] Action: NaCl doesn't [21:31] I wonder if this would find my windoze partition... [21:32] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-82-231.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:34] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:37] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Nick change: juan--d-_-b -> juangvp [21:39] NaCl : did you install os-prober? [21:39] nope [21:40] |ast| (~ast@186.137.23.210) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Probably would have saved me figuring out how to get my windows partition to boot [21:40] NaCl : What os do you use? [21:40] Nick change: juangvp -> juan--d-_-b [21:40] The one this channel is named for, and windows when necessary [21:40] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:40] NaCl : I can give you os-prober SlackBuild. [21:41] I have made it myself. [21:41] I will submit it to SlackBuilds.org when it's open. [21:41] It's working. [21:41] it's open? [21:41] I can also give you /etc/default/grub [21:41] not yet as far as I know. [21:41] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [21:41] But I have os-prober and grub2 on my hard disk. [21:41] NaCl : do you already have grub2 installed? [21:41] yes [21:41] Actually, I found a SlackBuild somewhere else [21:41] alienBOB's? [21:42] he has one? [21:42] Yes [21:42] probably mine [21:42] thrice`: yup [21:42] no, alien doesn't [21:42] NaCl : Do you want my os-prober SlackBuild? [21:42] sure [21:43] Just wait a minute [21:43] no rush [21:44] Ready to send [21:44] alphageek (rooot@69-196-140-101.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:44] Action: NaCl was not expecting e-mail [21:44] NaCl : I sent you a DCC signal. [21:45] Did you receive the DCC signal? [21:45] Arrrghhh [21:45] It doesn't work. [21:45] it's stalled. [21:46] crocket: post the build to a pastebin. [21:46] .SlackBuild is not enough. [21:46] I have few more files in .tar.bz2 [21:47] alphageek (rooot@69-196-140-101.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [21:47] crocket: don't worry about it then. [21:47] I found filebin [21:47] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:47] Post it to SBo when you get a chance [21:47] http://filebin.ca/seubjf/os-prober.tar.bz2 [21:47] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:48] This is it [21:48] This is from ubuntu. [21:48] got it [21:48] thanks [21:48] I couldn't port lsb-release from ubuntu or debian since it was too complex. [21:48] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] install it and run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg [21:48] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [21:49] doinst.sh is empty ? [21:49] yes [21:49] It's just an empty file [21:49] then delete it [21:49] crocket: I'll mess with it when I'm not busy. [21:49] when does it get simpler then lilo [21:49] also, remove all of your comments :) [21:49] mdeanda (1000@cpe-75-84-179-19.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:49] Skywise: when you fubar'd something in the bootloader config. :P [21:49] I just mimicked the hierarchy of os-prober .deb package. [21:50] anybody else having problems with kde's device notifier? i can no longer mount disks... possibly related to slackware-current [21:50] crocket, /usr/lib is arch-dependent. a noarch package should not place things in to a lib/ directory [21:50] -current = 13.1 [21:50] thrice` : where should I put it? [21:50] mdeanda: are you a member of the correct groups? [21:50] thrice`: I can think of exceptions, but yeah. [21:50] usually /usr/share [21:50] jspider1010 (~spider101@81.sub-72-107-205.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] bjx: i added myself to lots.. then to the ones suggested by the adduser script (when i hit up) [21:51] 'man hier' can help here :) [21:51] Whoops, I'm wrong [21:51] i guess it won't hurt to add myself to all.. just to test. [21:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488E463.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] NaCl : If you want to have grub2 display slackware's version, copy http://filebin.ca/vpkcgd/etc.default.grub as /etc/default/grub. [21:52] thrice`: I dont' konw exactly what is meant, but /usr/lib/python2.6 contains python scripts [21:52] $GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR in /etc/default/grub is the name of the entry. [21:52] Action: NaCl stops commenting on the FHS [21:52] NaCl, he is putting 'noarch' things to /usr/lib. python gets compiled, so it ends up in either /usr/lib/ or /usr/lib64 [21:53] like python script packages [21:53] NaCl: didn't realize there was an official 13.1 [21:53] non-binary [21:53] thinkpad ~ $ grep usr/lib/python2.6 /var/log/packages/* | wc -l [21:53] 0 [21:53] :) [21:53] Turning compositing off is painful [21:53] Compositing won't even work here [21:54] shonudo (user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:54] things that are dependent on the $arch go to their respective /usr/lib{,64} spots [21:54] I don't know whether to blame ATI or KDE [21:54] NaCl : What's your graphic card? [21:54] An ATI card [21:54] ati =P [21:54] mdeanda: disk floppy cdrom tape plugdev netdev power etc. [21:54] thrice` : However, /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober finds os-prober in a specific place. [21:54] hmm? [21:54] Was it in /usr/lib? [21:55] I also love to note that there is almost zero debug output from compisitng failing to init [21:55] *compositing [21:55] thrice` : os-prober is hardcoded to use /usr/lib, so I couldn't change them to other folders. [21:55] bjx: yeah that's what i had. just tried adding self to all.. still no luck [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488FDCE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] thrice` : os-prober is just a set of scripts. [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:56] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-158-221.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:56] mdeanda: hmm - anything in your logs? [21:57] Slackbook is not that old anyway. The last edition was published in 2005. [21:57] 5 years old [21:57] crocket: were you able to get your framebuffers set properly ing grub? [21:57] bjx : sure... It is entirely available. [21:57] 5 years... that's nothing compared to slackware's 16 years [21:57] !! [21:57] bjx : You can download my /etc/default/grub for reference. [21:58] 5 years are quite comparable to 16 years [21:58] almost one third of its lifespan [21:58] crocket: I struggled, in the end I gave up. I could get everything else working though. Not hardware related because I can get grub-1.98_1ubuntu6 working fine [21:58] bjx : Did you configure frambuffer in /etc/default/grub? If you did, how? [21:59] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:59] for some reaon my /etc/default/grub was not being read - same partition as /boot/grub, so I stuck to changing everything in my 00_header script [21:59] /etc/default/grub is G!@#%!@#$!^^@%!%@&@#%&@**!&$&%!@ [21:59] bjx : check the permission. /etc/default/grub may not have a read persmission. [22:00] crocket: sounds unlikely [22:00] permission [22:00] It could happen sometimes [22:00] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [22:00] something in the ubuntu toolchain broke, as usual [22:00] bjx : Use my /etc/default/grub ---> http://filebin.ca/vpkcgd/etc.default.grub [22:00] if there's a huge toolchain, it's likely to break [22:00] bjx: nothing in logs as i plug in a new device.. just normal kernel messages. i'm assuming i'm looking for hald messages [22:00] Action: NaCl suggests that ente build the package himself [22:00] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:00] that's why I like KISS. [22:00] crocket: ta - will do. at the moment I'm chroot to manage my bootloader [22:00] what package? [22:01] device notfier pops up.. but i can't mount. links me to dolphin and gwenview, but they don't work right b/c they can't really mount [22:01] NaCl: what package? [22:01] I would do a better job than ubuntu, believe me or not [22:01] the grub2 package, but I could be out of context [22:02] I rather wouldn't use grub2 [22:02] I bet grub3 will have AJAX built in [22:02] Nick change: Guest09873 -> johndee [22:02] lol [22:02] grub3 is far from release [22:02] NaCl: or just out of your mind. [22:03] crocket: thanks, looks like your managing it in your 00_header as well, got that for me? [22:03] XGizzmo: that's also probably accurate [22:03] jspider1010 (~spider101@81.sub-72-107-205.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:03] bjx : managing what? [22:03] crocket: but it needs XML-RPC! [22:03] ente: thats the prolem, the ubuntu one works fine [22:03] and inline C# scriptability [22:03] s/C#/Java [22:03] both of them! [22:03] how much did ubuntu patch it? [22:04] bjx : Here it is ---> http://filebin.ca/mqkggr/00_header [22:04] XGizzmo: better don't ask ^^ [22:04] XGizzmo: always too much :-D [22:04] ente: might as well make an iphone app for grub3 [22:04] crocket: insmod vbe, GRUB_GFXMODE etc [22:04] crocket: thanks will check it out [22:04] mdeanda: which does what exactly? displaying splash screens? ;) [22:04] that's all computing is about: funky graphics [22:04] bjx : you can just remove grub2 and install my os-prober and grub2 packages. [22:05] you can probably use it to pick which partition to boot from.. remotely [22:05] NO... YOU NEED OS-PROBER, UNIFONT, GRUB2 packages for grub2 to work fine. [22:05] I have packaged all of them [22:05] they are ready [22:05] crocket: its ok - looks like your using 0x101 for console output anyway [22:05] http://ubuntard.com/2009/09/karmic-koala-the-trainwreck-around-the-bend/ [22:05] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-erkuhickbjxiemls) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:05] CGfreak102 (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:06] bjx : http://filebin.ca/mhnotj/grub <--- This one is my current /etc/default/grub [22:06] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ayilgierbskkbnox) joined ##slackware. [22:06] The one I gave you before is included in grub2 package.. [22:06] crocket: if not, I can't see where your setting it [22:06] I didn't make 00_header. It was included in grub2 tarball. [22:07] crocket: if not, I can't see where your setting it (i.e. trying to emulate vga=773 like lilo) [22:07] I copied /etc/default/grub from ubuntu and modified it. [22:07] crocket: and, make it look pretty in the menu of course [22:07] kwikness (~kwikness@c-24-128-93-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] 3-1 flyers after 2nd period [22:08] : 0 [22:08] crocket: I can get the framebuffer working properly if I passs through the default cmd_linux but not in the menu [22:08] bjx : good [22:09] crocket: did you get grub-emu to comiple as well? [22:09] I didn't compile it since I didn't need it. [22:09] But I don't know what grub-emu is [22:09] I highly suggest everybody to read the blog post I just posted :-) [22:09] crocket: grub boot emulator [22:09] bjx : how can I compile it? [22:09] p7z 9.13 is out [22:10] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:10] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:11] bjx : what do you need it for? [22:11] crocket: I was sking you - theres a few config parameters that you can pass through which I thought would compile it, but there is no target. there is a grub-emu.c in the util directory, but it didn't eem to be supported by the Makefile, yet is mentioned quite a bit in the GNU grub doc [22:12] gedit /etc/hosts [22:12] ...and adding: [22:12] 127.0.0.1 http://www.doubleclick.net/ [22:12] Channel flood from ente -- kicking [22:12] rofl ubuntu [22:12] ente kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:12] crocket: so I can test grub without rebooting! I think the idea behind grub2 is grand but is just not documented well. I like the idea of being able to swap in and out hard disks and have them bootload [22:12] ente (~ente@unaffiliated/n0nsense) joined ##slackware. [22:12] because the http belongs into /etc/hosts :-D [22:12] bjx : I use virtualbox for that. [22:12] bjx : Does it utilize qemu? [22:13] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) joined ##slackware. [22:13] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [22:16] crocket: pretty sure it has nothing to dow with virt [22:17] ok [22:17] I want to compile it later. [22:17] But I use virtualbox to see grub2. [22:17] bjx: please let me know how you go! bmxcess@gmail.com [22:18] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [22:18] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:18] manhunter kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Impersonating Pat V. did not help either. Grow up, get a life [22:18] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:18] Redness (~redness@c122-108-211-162.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:19] so, i'm sure this is a simple question to be answered. I am trying to install Conky on Slackware 13 that i just installed but when i do it tells me this error message "checking for LUA... no [22:19] checking for LUA51... no [22:19] checking for LUA51... configure: error: Package requirements (lua5.1 >= 5.1) were not met: [22:19] Channel flood from CGfreak102 -- kicking [22:19] No package 'lua5.1' found [22:19] " I downloaded that code for that, extracted, and built a exe but dont know what to do from there. Still kinda new to the whole linux thing. [22:19] CGfreak102 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:19] CGfreak102 (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:19] did any of that go through? [22:20] bjx : You or I can change ./configure option to include grub-emu [22:20] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:20] so, i'm sure this is a simple question to be answered. I am trying to install Conky on Slackware 13 that i just installed but when i do it tells me this error message [22:21] checking for LUA... no [22:21] checking for LUA51... no [22:21] checking for LUA51... configure: error: Package requirements (lua5.1 >= 5.1) were not met: [22:21] Channel flood from CGfreak102 -- kicking [22:21] No package 'lua5.1' found [22:21] CGfreak102 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:21] CGfreak102 (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:22] bjx : Did you fix your grub2 problems? [22:23] CGfreak102, did you install LUA? [22:23] :-) [22:24] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [22:24] no im still getting used to installing programs and such [22:24] what part of configure: error: Package requirements (lua5.1 >= 5.1) didn't you understand? [22:24] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:25] i got booted before i could post the rest of my statement [22:25] pastebin if necesary [22:26] i extracted lua-5.1.5 did the 'make' commands and then in my /usr/local/bin there are two files lua and luac both are exe types. this is where im lost. [22:28] GRUB2 has got very complex, and this is proven by the complex gfxmenu in grub2. [22:28] However it's very configurable. [22:29] Well lua is a piece of crap and needs lots of hacks if you want other things to be able to link to it. [22:29] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/development/lua/ [22:29] CGfreak102, you would be better off doing 'make uninstall' then searching slackbuilds.org for lua and conky and other deps and using slackbuilds [22:29] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:30] part [22:30] buit a exe? [22:30] conky will also need tolua++ [22:30] ok, ill look at that site and get back to you all. [22:33] ok i got it, found a site explaining sbopkg command. [22:36] CGfreak102, I would advise using slackbuilds manually at first, then progress on to sbopkg when you understand what it's doing. [22:36] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:38] rssn6 (~rssn6@modemcable100.51-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:38] Hello to all [22:39] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@c-68-54-184-2.hsd1.ga.comcast.net expired. [22:39] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@c-68-54-184-2.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:40] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.182) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:42] It is my first time here and I have an issue regarding Amarok and DAAP on slackware, I have no clue why Amarok doent see my server via DAAP [22:44] rssn6: me neither [22:44] On ubuntu it is working therefore it is not my server any suggestions ? [22:45] kwikness (~kwikness@c-24-128-93-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:46] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:48] I see that nobody have tried it. [22:49] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:49] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [22:51] rssn6: Your reasoning is unsound. [22:52] rssn6: You could have different DAAP configurations on both boxes, or different versions of hte software, or there could be other variables. [22:52] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:52] rssn6: But if it's working on Ubuntu, why not just use Ubuntu? [22:52] i like better Slackware [22:53] nachox (~Ignacio@201.216.213.17) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:53] and like the challenge :) [22:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:53] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [22:54] rssn6: enjoy! [22:54] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [22:55] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest35757 [22:55] I would like to know if there any packages need for Amarok to be able to connect via DAAP ? [22:57] tino27 (~tino27@cpe-24-93-180-242.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:58] AkiraYB_ (~FarSeer@189-041-128-171.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[23:12] Ubuntu & xorg are giving me loads of crap [23:12] AkiraYB__ (~FarSeer@189-041-130-094.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:12] why would slackware be bad with? It has a lot to do with your hardware and drivers. (for the most part) [23:13] Ubuntu & xorg fail hard with HDMi [23:13] Ubuntu fails period in my opinion. [23:14] Well I was pining for the dependancy managment [23:14] but other than that...yeah [23:14] try slack and see if it works out alright? [23:14] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.44.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:15] rssn6 (~rssn6@modemcable100.51-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:15] Euthanatos (ubuntu@in-67-236-193-190.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [23:17] Euthanatos: what do you mean by 'fail hard with HDMI'? 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[23:50] =8D830 A515 A:>;L:> A;0:20@8AB>2 AB0;> O_ [23:50] ?>;3>40 B>25:>2 A845;> )) [23:50] oops, sorry [23:51] wow, is there a rosetta stone that goes with that? [23:51] russian' [23:52] hmmm...slackware comes out slakvarastov..:D [23:52] =) [23:52] magarich est? [23:53] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:54] I confuse with server -) [23:54] chelovekov ? [23:57] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [23:58] OutBound: are you from Russia? [23:58] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-183-042.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:59] no [23:59] I am learning to speak Russian though. [00:00] --- Sat Jun 5 2010