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[00:08] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:09] a long time ago... [00:10] in a land far far away... [00:10] there was ... [00:10] a blueyed greenosaur. [00:11] did it fly? [00:11] You killed it! [00:11] maybe :-/ [00:11] why did you push it of the rock? [00:12] you could always eat it [00:12] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-22.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:12] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] you'll need to marinate it for a week first. [00:13] Then, it will feed the whole channel for a month [00:14] -.- [00:14] sry k! [00:14] it was there [00:14] and i tripped [00:15] five times? [00:15] jspider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] now you killed it [00:15] CcSsNET: please don't disturb the wildlife next time [00:16] Action: CcSsNET crushes the ant crawling on his desk [00:16] still, I say Arno[Slack] should buy all the beer for the first week. [00:19] You Facebook folks: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=365967556634&ref=mf [00:19] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] rworkman facebook requires way to much personal info to sign up [00:20] no thx [00:20] Then I wasn't talking to you :) [00:20] k [00:21] I do understand your concerns though. My life is already quite public anyway. [00:22] eh more worried about the company miss using your info then publicly spreading it urself [00:24] Maybe. The risk of that is low enough (IMO) that it's worth taking relative to the perceived benefit of being a member. For you, that may not be the case. [00:25] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.22.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[01:11] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:11] yeah, some people mentioned having some problems earlier [01:12] related to nVIDIA and -current [01:12] but I am not really sure about it in depth [01:12] okie.. so have to move back to .32 kernel then :) [01:12] make sure that you enabled the "dri" module enabled in your xorg.conf [01:13] it's dri2 [01:14] try "dmesg |grep dri" [01:15] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:17] do you get anything related error message? [01:19] :) it's on install/compile time [01:19] cannot find /usr/src/linux/include/linux/kernel.h file, still one is there [01:24] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [01:25] but with new nvidia 195.36.08 it says invalid module format for nvidia.ko [01:25] ok, got to check it later. bye [01:25] agris (1000@85.254.251.173) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:26] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. 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As carp drowned in the sticky mucosal fluid, [02:17] Channel flood from Surrador -- kicking [02:17] DiKKy took the microphone from a timecop overcome by emotion at the sacrifice [02:17] Surrador kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:17] Surrador (~Surrador@201.160.235.225.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [02:18] seriously what. the. f. [02:19] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:19] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [02:19] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [02:20] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:21] woaaaah. just loeaded the changelog [02:21] Surrador (~Surrador@201.160.235.225.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Quit: Haiti=Mierda [02:21] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:24] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. 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[02:43] Action: alisonken1noc ducks [02:43] Action: slava_dp waves to The-Croupier and alisonken1noc o/ [02:45] hey [02:45] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> R [02:45] oobe (~poofarter@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [02:52] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:54] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-237.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:54] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-43-120.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:56] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:57] einars8 (~einars8@212.93.100.149) joined ##slackware. [02:59] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:02] failday. updated to -current and still my X does not start. complains that it can't insert kernel modules for 2.6.33. [03:02] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:02] intel driver. [03:03] Action: pprkut kept 2.6.32 for now [03:03] on 2.6.32 it does not start either. [03:03] the error is (EE) intel(0): No kernel modesetting driver detected. [03:03] nvidia > intel :P [03:04] I wish I could help, but I have no clue about KMS [03:04] pipes (~pipes@jaki.org) joined ##slackware. [03:05] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:05] but I don't want KMS! I want to start my X. [03:05] how come it doesn't start? [03:06] can I tell the intel driver to not use modesetting? [03:06] does the /var/log/Xorg.[0-9].log tell more ? [03:07] hmm [03:07] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:07] slava_dp: which version of the intel driver are you using [03:08] iirc 2.10.0 requires KMS [03:08] pprkut, the latest one, 2.10.0. [03:08] there you have it :) [03:08] ok, how do I try and enable kms? [03:08] -ENOCLUE [03:08] :-) [03:09] i just heard of kms a couple days ago :P [03:09] Action: slava_dp aks google [03:09] aks - good one :) [03:12] heh [03:12] kms worked. although I noticed no changes to the console, it still feels very slow. X started, glxgears is at 920 FPS. [03:13] and even compositing in KDE works. woohoo. [03:13] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@193.251.154.147) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:13] :) [03:16] blackorca (~b@68-245-245-162.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] well this is pretty awesome. [03:17] i'm going to use 2.6.32 for now too. at least it works. [03:20] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:21] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [03:24] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[03:50] too early in the morning and not exactly enough sleep: there are a bunch of options in drivers->graphic\ support [03:50] look for "kms" in the config (type '/' ;-) ) [03:52] Mona (~chatzilla@112.135.20.58) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:52] Nick change: Mona_ -> Mona [03:52] Camarade_Tux, i915 is [m] so I'm going to make it [*] and see how it goes [03:53] you need more than that [03:54] you need to enable the framebuffer for intel cards and then you have an option to enable kms by default [03:57] I think I should kill the [*] vesa vga graphics support [03:59] _RadioHead (~Slackware@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [04:00] does slackware have a bugzilla? Or do you just email pat? [04:00] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:00] email pat [04:00] he's just a distro maintainer, not a program developer [04:00] k, thx [04:01] <_RadioHead> anyone know on latest X on -current does "intel" driver changed? [04:01] i just got the updates for slackware-current including bash 4 [04:02] i want to suggest updating bash-completion to work by default...add a check for bash 4 in /etc/profile.d/bash_completion.sh [04:02] send a diff with your comments and see what he says [04:02] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:05] hayaka: bash-completion doesn't work by default? [04:05] Mona_ (~chatzilla@112.135.50.161) joined ##slackware. [04:05] it was updated to 1.1 in the big batch, and that is pretty recent [04:05] Mona (~chatzilla@112.135.17.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:05] Nick change: Mona_ -> Mona [04:06] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:07] yeah, it's missing the check for bash 4, it's only check for bash 2.4+ and bash 3 [04:07] and the problem is? [04:07] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:07] it also lost support for txz for pkgtools (installpkg, upgradepkg) [04:08] add a check for bash 4 in /etc/profile.d/bash_completion.sh [04:08] report upstream [04:08] also, i doubt LS_COLORS is patched [04:08] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [04:09] (i'm not on -current to check) [04:09] Wait, i thought the profile.d/bash_completion.sh is Pat's own thing [04:09] i.e. http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/extra/source/bash-completion/ [04:09] oh wait, you meant the pkgtool support for txz... [04:11] aaah, now I see what you mean [04:12] hayaka: yes, a mail to Pat about the missing check for bash4 should be fine [04:12] the txz support is best reported upstream [04:14] adrenaline (~repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:15] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:18] superb. I got KMS to work. all that was required was to add direct rendering manager support into the kernel and check to auto mode set for intel. [04:19] pupiteee (~p@93.87.191.119) joined ##slackware. [04:20] agris (~agris@pasts.blondais.lv) joined ##slackware. [04:21] ok, nevermind about the LS_COLORS :) I see it'd fixed in slackware-current/source/a/coreutils/DIR_COLORS.gz [04:21] *it's [04:21] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:24] crap, stock slackware kernel also panicks [04:24] let's stat a git-bisect on the kernel \o/ [04:24] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:24] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [04:24] Camarade_Tux: you're addicted to git-bisect [04:25] <_RadioHead> good that pat rebuild xchat :) [04:26] would be first time actually but it's gonna be useful here [04:27] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] also, upon triggering udev events, I get a 'NAME="%k" is superfluous and break kernel supplied names, please remove it from /lib/udev/rules.d/65-kvm.rules.1' [04:27] it's actually what happens before the kernel tries to dereference a null pointer... [04:27] who's in charge of the udev rules already? [04:28] einars8 (einars8@212.93.100.149) left ##slackware. [04:29] how come I don't have FB_INTEL configurable in the menuconfig :-/ [04:31] <_RadioHead> hi slackboy [04:31] <_RadioHead> ups [04:31] <_RadioHead> slava_dp, [04:32] hi _RadioHead :) [04:32] damn, no menu entry for fb_intel, but searching for it shows it as =n [04:33] i'll try to set it in the config by hand. [04:33] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:33] <_RadioHead> slava_dp, u have intel vga? [04:34] slava_dp: it depends on something else, check you have that something else enabled [04:34] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:34] damn. no FB_INTEL in .config even. [04:35] Camarade_Tux, all deps satisfied, confirmed by "/" [04:35] hmmmm [04:35] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:35] hey guys [04:35] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5FB4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] I'm debugging something and I need to know the process number of a process I launch immediately. I'd like something like this: run.sh somebinary -> stdout -> 1234 [04:37] slava_dp: have AGP_INTEL=n ? and have DRM_I915=y ? [04:37] hi Buggaboo [04:37] Buggaboo: pidof ? [04:37] I can imagine something like this: int main(int ac, char** av) {system(); ... some esoteric commands... } [04:38] Camarade_Tux, I have agp_intel=y, because if it's =n, drm can [04:38] can't be [*] [04:38] ah pidof, thanks Camarade_Tux [04:38] slava_dp: FB_INTEL requires it to be n [04:38] Camarade_Tux, uhh. ok, I'll try. [04:38] Buggaboo: snL20 actually =) [04:39] Camarade_Tux, oh, true, it does show up now. [04:39] slava_dp: just checked and FB_INTEL is not necessarily needed but AGP_INTEL=n is needed for I915_KMS to show up ;-) [04:39] slava_dp: =) [04:40] lolwut? "To make FB_INTELFB=Y work you need to say AGP_INTEL=y too" [04:40] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [04:41] FB_INTEL=n [04:41] not needed actually [04:41] Action: Camarade_Tux just disabled KMS for his radeon card, let's see if it boots [04:41] i want my console to scroll smoothly, which it lacks using vesafb and kms. -> I want intelfb. or not? [04:41] really, this -current upgrade will have been a lot of fun :P [04:41] slava_dp: try without [04:42] without -- the console lags. [04:42] Camarade_Tux: ;) [04:42] slava_dp: you want kms, I don't know which other option you want but just enable kms [04:42] by any mean ;-) [04:42] Camarade_Tux, i have kms already. and my console lags. [04:42] you probably don't have kms then :P [04:42] maybe it wasn't enable by default? there's another option for that [04:43] If I didn't have kms my X wouldn't even start. [04:43] i enabled it by passing i915.modeset=1. [04:43] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [04:43] do you get penguins at boot? and does the resolution look native? (like, it's 1280x800 on my laptop, not some 4:3 one) [04:43] slava_dp: also, dmesg [04:44] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-57-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:44] I do get penguins and the native resolution of 1280x1024 (with no vga= in lilo.conf). [04:44] but the scrolling is painfully slow. [04:44] ok, kernel 2.6.33 running: had to disable kms :-) [04:44] i run 2.6.32, for that matter. [04:44] 2.6.33 stable release now ? [04:45] slava_dp: kms should definitely solve that, pastebin your dmesg [04:46] linXea: yes [04:46] linXea: a few days ago [04:46] Camarade_Tux, i'm going to disable vesa framebuffer and see if that solves the issue. [04:47] and I think I need a newer lm-sensors, like all amd's K10 [04:47] slava_dp: 7 [04:47] balrhezpihferhkglf [04:47] lol [04:47] slava_dp: yup, not sure it wasn't being used instead of intel kms [04:51] Camarade_Tux, what does this mean: [drm] mtrr allocation failed. graphics performance may suffer. [04:51] slava_dp: you'll care about it if performance is bad :P [04:52] and then it says: fb0: inteldrmfb framebuffer device [04:52] which isn't kms [04:52] afaik [04:52] (I haz no intel graphic cards :-) ) [04:52] at least it's not vesa? [04:53] probably not [04:53] why not kernel 2.6.33 btw? [04:53] blackorca (~b@68-245-245-162.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:54] Camarade_Tux, inteldrmfb is kms actually, that's what google says. [04:55] have you built it as a module? then what does lsmod show? [04:55] I should probably dig in the bios setup for a while. [04:55] Camarade_Tux, this inteldrmfb is built-in. lsmod only shows sound stuff. [04:56] tried as a module? [04:56] Mona (~chatzilla@112.135.50.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:57] you should notice when it loads [04:57] don't want to have an initrd, so I try to push everything inside. I think the problem is somewhere in the bios mtrr config. [04:57] notice? like, what should happen? [04:57] and for radeon kms: it MUST NOT be enabled by default in the stock kernels, it does not work on radeons 4xxx and 5xxx (and maybe 3xxx) [04:58] slava_dp: upon loading: screen blanking and it should look better [04:58] Camarade_Tux, I don't see anything like that, but it's 1280x1024 from the start. without kms it was 80x40 standard console. [04:58] slava_dp: well, I don't use an initrd either, I just make the root fs as builtin and use that [04:59] slava_dp: ok, seems to be working then [04:59] slava_dp: any option in lilo? [04:59] and again, tried kernel 2.6.33? [04:59] kernel .33 gives me random module issues. don't want to dig into that. [04:59] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:00] i'm waiting for this .32 to finish building and then I'll check in the bios. [05:01] pupiteee (~p@93.87.191.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:01] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-57-20.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:01] slava_dp: in which features is .33 giving you problems? [05:02] <_RadioHead> laterz :) i`m going to install slackware64-current ... [05:02] _RadioHead (~Slackware@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:02] pupiteee (~p@93.86.91.125) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Camarade_Tux, sound drivers fail to load properly on boot and display errors. xorg doesn't start due to module loading issues. (incompatible module format) [05:03] so I just stuck to .32. [05:03] does this line means that the computer started by "init 2" ? [05:03] root 1 0.0 0.0 10324 536 ? Ss Jan10 0:14 init [2] [05:04] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [05:04] i obtained it by " ps aux | grep init | grep -v grep" [05:04] .32 is long term support too, like .27 was, and that is nice. [05:04] paissad, man runlevel [05:04] incompatible module format means there's a mismatch between the kernel version or compile options and the module ones [05:04] for the others, dunno [05:04] and yes, as long as it works [05:05] Camarade_Tux, I just didn't want to investigate, I like how .32 works. [05:06] perfect_circle (~skalkoto@ppp079166015199.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:07] im happy on a .32.2 myself [05:07] ill update to .9 at some point [05:08] SIGBUS_ (~gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:08] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:09] Action: slava_dp went to lq (never been there before) and wondered just how many posts per day there are. pretty active. 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[05:15] thrashdude (~thrashdud@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:17] slava_dp: definitely :-) [05:17] morning Zordrak [05:20] my 64current seems to have stayed up overnight ok.. also ran a backup with NetBackup [05:21] all seems well with the new (although it is a kernel so small you can barely see it; running almost no services) [05:21] bah, kernel 2.6.33 says my cpu thermal sensors is unreliable (amd says it too) and disables it but it looks pretty solid (had to force it) [05:30] anyone know if theres xeon support in lmsensors yet? [05:31] particularly the nocona codename [05:33] Nick change: Blue_Slacker86 -> NeedHelp [05:33] please help me to install bluetooth in slackware 13 [05:34] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:34] allend (~allend@121.214.95.140) joined ##slackware. [05:38] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) joined ##slackware. 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[05:55] <_RadioHead> bah again i have problem with "intel" driver [05:56] <_RadioHead> 82G33/G31 [05:56] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:57] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [06:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:00] Woo. Bright and Sunny outside! [06:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:01] <_RadioHead> here soon will rain [06:02] sunny here :) [06:02] Action: slava_dp is fighting an mtrr problem on intel [06:03] <_RadioHead> slava_dp, :) i am figthing to get work xorg with intel driver :) [06:03] <_RadioHead> looks like a bug [06:04] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:07] <_RadioHead> hmm let`s see [06:07] _RadioHead (~Slackware@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:07] The-Croupier (ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [06:09] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-zgwwnidgmorzztmn) joined ##slackware. [06:10] COOL. I fixed my console scroll lag problem. http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16940 [06:11] Camarade_Tux, there, it's a platform bug. [06:11] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [06:12] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:12] Action: Zordrak farted [06:12] although glxgears still awards me 820 fps. compositing works very smooth though. [06:13] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:17] what's the difference between 2>, >, >>, &> ? [06:17] Buggaboo, #bash, !redirtut [06:17] I know that > cuts off on endlines [06:17] >> appends on endlines [06:17] &> ehm... does not differentiate between stderr and stdout [06:18] 2> stdout only? [06:18] err [06:18] starts at 0 [06:18] slava_dp: good to know [06:18] have to go now [06:18] ah. [06:19] 0>, 1>, 2>... respectively...? [06:19] one doesn't make sense... [06:20] and everytime I say or think "it doesn't make sense", I think about the Chewbacca Defense, It Does Not Make Sense [06:20] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:21] Buggaboo, wanna go and read what i've pointed you at? [06:21] ah, I figured out what you mean. [06:21] goto #bash channel, activate macro [06:22] I get this (http://pastebin.com/W6FDJTDY) error when i want to make kdebluetooth in slackware 13 , how i can repair it [06:22] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:22] thanks slava_dp [06:23] NeedHelp: I don't use kde and don't have any idea of what's going on but pastebin the config.log files that gets created by configure, it could prove useful [06:23] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:24] wait, 1.0_beta8, that's for kde3 [06:24] NeedHelp: you aware of that? ^^^ [06:24] Buggaboo, welcome. #bash is really useful. you might want to read some of mywiki.wooledge.org too. [06:25] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:25] slava_dp, thanks for the warm welcome, you need not sell the virtues of #bash, I have been here before, it has been quite evident. [06:25] pprkut: what? [06:26] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:26] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:26] NeedHelp: are you aware of the fact that you try to build kdebluetooth for kde3? [06:27] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) joined ##slackware. [06:27] pprkut: no , sory [06:27] 0o [06:28] ]=\ [06:29] NeedHelp (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:32] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:32] his chances of getting k(de)bluetooth(4) running on 13.0 are pretty slim [06:33] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:34] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:36] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [06:37] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [06:38] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-45-26.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:39] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:41] I am having an issue with package manager, it says I need smart package manager, can anyone possibly assist? [06:42] why would you need that for? [06:42] what are you trying to do? install an rpm or deb package in slackware? [06:43] I'm looking for a gui installer to get rid of the kde apps...... [06:43] jrodger: sounds like you're using kpackage. no, it's not supported on slackware. [06:43] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:43] I've just switched from debian/ubuntu derivatied because they could no longer give me what I wanted..... [06:43] jrodger: pkgtool [06:43] what is the key combination for swithing desktops in kde 4? [06:44] ananke: thanks, where do I find it? [06:44] jrodger: where do you find what? [06:44] pkgtool? [06:44] on cli [06:44] try typing it [06:44] jrodger: pupiteee gave you that answer. it comes with every slackware machine [06:45] Aaaahhh! much obliged [06:45] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [06:46] jrodger: if you just switched to slackware, you may want to look at 'slackbook'. it covers all the essential topics of using/managing slackware [06:47] ;) [06:48] ananke: that's the ebook, right? I will have a look when I'm up and running [06:48] jrodger: you got it the wrong way. First book, then up and running [06:49] it's easier to read it seated [06:49] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] i don't know of a single person who reads an OS manual before installing it [06:50] true [06:50] I do :/ [06:51] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [06:51] pprkut: he is still single? :) [06:51] mmh. on -current, when I press Alt+F2, xfrun4 appears, instead of krunner. anyone else having this? [06:51] pprkut: then you're in a very rare minority [06:52] ananke: yeah, I'm used to that [06:52] okay another question, how do install packages from the repos? [06:53] jrodger: I think you have a totally wrong idea about Slackware :/ [06:53] gui installer, repos, .... [06:54] jrodger: pkgtool - the official Slackware package manager. Learn it and love it! [06:54] as well as slackpkg and sbopkg [06:55] jrodger: you have to seek for the light! slackbuilds.org [06:55] i do ;) [06:55] well, I have downloaded a package but is tar.gz, not tgz..... [06:55] jrodger: not all tar.gz or .tgz files are slackware packages [06:55] the light is in sbo howto :p [06:55] hmm. well i'll be damned, somebody did write something to transform isos into pxe bootable kernel+large initrd [06:56] perfect_circle (~skalkoto@ppp079166015199.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:56] and alienbob wiki ;) [06:56] ananke: where? [06:57] pprkut: you're not alone... I always read the READMEs before running any software installer or compilation [06:57] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:57] slava_dp: I used to have that with Alt-F2 in KDE 4.3 but with KDE 4.4 that was history [06:57] jrodger: its fun to build packages by yourself with slackbuild scripts, download source, SBo script and after compiling: installpkg package-name. packages are ready in /tmp [06:58] alienBOB: description of its use at https://fedorahosted.org/cobbler/wiki/HowToPxeAnyLiveCd and here are more details: https://projects.centos.org/trac/livecd/wiki/GetToolset [06:58] i'm still not sure where the canonical source is [06:58] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.222.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:58] by "fun", that means educational, by educational I mean, that it takes time, patience... [06:59] Buggaboo: and we all now, inpatience is not fun :) [06:59] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [06:59] i'll have to try to get it working today. that would be nice to boot any random iso over pxe [06:59] impatience maybe? [06:59] how ican upgarde to kde4.4 in slackware 13 [07:00] alisonken1home: yeah.. no dict here on eee [07:00] upgrade t0 -current and keep in mind, -current is used for testing the next release of slackware [07:00] Blue_Slacker86: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kde+4.4+slackware [07:00] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [07:00] when people mention the combination, time, patience, sometimes they mean blood, sweat and tears and bash scripting at its finest. [07:01] alisonken1noc: 4.4 isnt in current, 4.4 requires bob's finagling [07:07] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:11] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [07:12] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:13] ananke: it's not any random ISO. Only liveCDs [07:15] Blue_Slacker86: you can not upgrade to KDE 4.4 in Slackware 13.0. And I would not suggest upgrading to Slackware-current unless you are an experienced Slacker [07:15] Axius (~fd@92.85.209.154) joined ##slackware. [07:16] alienBOB: I want to use this (http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/its-been-released-kde-sc-4-4-0/) in your blog , can I use it? [07:17] Blue_Slacker86: not in Slackware 13.0 [07:17] It even says so in that article [07:18] alienBOB: i am now doing it now , how i can cancel it ? [07:19] Good luck with it [07:19] You did not read the memo [07:19] no [07:20] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.205.249) joined ##slackware. [07:20] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:21] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-203-241.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:23] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-249-58.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[07:30] You think you have the experience to fix your computer if slackware-current breaks it? This is the unstable development release [07:32] Blue_Slacker86, use a stable machine, run current on a vmguest. [07:32] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-249-58.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:32] for instance run kvm on stable 13.0, and run current on kvm as a vmguest. [07:33] At this Moment, people are having issues with Nvidia and some Intel graphics cards - make sure _in advance_ that you will be able to fix that Blue_Slacker86 [07:33] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-251-143.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:34] praedictus (1001@187-24-241-99.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:35] seems building a custom kernel fixed my Nvidia blob problem, and now I have half the boot time too :) [07:35] alienBOB: Buggaboo : oh , no , I'm a loser!? [07:36] ... not necessarily, we don't know you that well, we're just saying, take precautions, before accidentally getting your system trashed. [07:36] lol the "search file" dialog is broken in kde4.4.1.. [07:37] I assume you want to keep using your machine without much fuss. [07:37] perfect_circle (~skalkoto@ppp079166015199.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:38] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [07:39] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229348 [07:39] I must say I was a bit surprised to see a 2.6.33 kernel and Xorg 1.75 in -current this soon. [07:40] -current broke a lot for me [07:40] had to go to stable [07:40] praedictus: the soonerc its in the sooner it can be tested, the sooner the bugs can be ironedh out, the sooner it can be released.. [07:41] guys, I'm getting iwlagn errors since switching to .30 - iwlagn 0000:05:00.0: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x82000000 [07:41] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] is there any place where I can check for documentation of this module? [07:41] the only thing that broke here was the Nvidia blob (and nv too for that matter) but when I built my own kernel, nearly everything works now [07:43] i accidently used the 13 disc to install current off a http [07:43] and the a packages broke [07:43] so i install off cd [07:43] and madness happen [07:43] so i just installed 13, i had no more cds left [07:44] there is one minor annoyance remaining, for some reason I can't open and browse .txz package files [07:45] using what? [07:45] txz packages are tarballs using xz compression [07:45] default in KDE is Ark [07:46] but it craps out [07:47] fails with this message:The archive reading failed with message: Unrecognized archive format: Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character' [07:48] praedictus: try mc [07:48] might check ark settings and see if xz compression is enabled and associated with txz files [07:49] what are sane dpi values for X? I know 75, 90, 100. [07:50] -dpi 80 looks good for me. [07:50] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:52] DeputyDERPDERP (batman@75.110.36.127) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:52] Anyone here with an radeon HD card confirm that 3D acceleration works on -current without any extra effort? [07:54] allend: yeah looks like mc works in a pinch, suppose I should report a bug for the other. [07:55] adamk: I think we need to enable kms in the boot options [07:55] but yeah, apart from that works [07:56] adamk, for 3D, you might need a 6.13 pull, no? [07:56] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAzMA [07:56] perfect_circle (skalkoto@ppp079166015199.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:57] perfect_circle (~skalkoto@ppp079166015199.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:58] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:58] can I post a Youtube link here? [07:59] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [07:59] if its relevant.. [07:59] instant ban by slackboy :-) [07:59] Kaapa: KMS shouldn't be necessary for 3D acceleration. And, yeah, someone on the forums just confirmed that it works on -current once he completely removed catalyst and reinstall the xserver and mesa packages. [08:00] it's about MCSEs, cloud computing, Firewalls... etc [08:01] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:01] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:01] thrice`: KMS might require 6.13, but 3D acceleration at least works with the radeonhd driver in -current. It might work with the radeon driver, too, but I have no way to test that. [08:02] it's really funny [08:02] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:02] adamk, how can KMS require a driver version? the kernel doesn't know what xorg is while it's booting :> [08:03] thrice`: Alright, I guess to be 100% accurate, I should have said that in order for X to function properly with KMS activated, xf86-video-ati may need to be at 6.13. [08:04] thrice`: You can certainly boot up a kernel with KMS activated no matter what version of xf86-video-ati is installed. However, you won't get direct rendering if xf86-video-ati isn't new enough and isn't compiled with KMS support. [08:04] Just as X won't work properly if KMS is enabled in the kernel and you try to use radeonhd in Xorg. [08:05] josteint (~josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [08:05] good morning [08:05] hi! hmm... why is not ack included in slackware? it it not a great replacement for grep most of the time? [08:06] adamk, oh, I follow. [08:06] Zordrak, alisonken1home, slava_dp http://tinyurl.com/yebgbg8 [08:07] adamk, sorry, not a radeon user :( I thought 6.13 was a requirement for 3d stuff, but that's probably wrong [08:08] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:10] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:10] thrice`: It can be confusing largely because of the state of flux of the radeon driver at the moment. Different features require different versions, but I'm fairly certain that 3D acceleration has worked since 6.12.4, about 6 months ago (and, of course, in git even earlier). [08:11] i agree with adamk ^^ ;) [08:11] i would say probably more than 6months not being completely sure ;) [08:12] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5641) joined ##slackware. [08:12] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [08:14] josteint: different use cases [08:16] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:19] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [08:19] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [08:19] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:20] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Client Quit [08:21] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [08:21] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [08:21] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. 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[08:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-111-167.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:53] Axius (~fd@92.85.209.154) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:53] how to repair my system with slackpkg ? , Because many programs removeed and icons stay ..... as firefox xchat ...etc , all that after "slackpkg clean-system" [08:53] sIRC (~sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:54] the beauty of slackware, is that a package manager will not fix your user problems ;) [08:55] farhat, does update-desktop-database clean out the icons? [08:55] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-74-212-38-189-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:55] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:55] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:55] /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4 ? [08:57] thare are many program reomved , how reinstall all tham by slackpkg ? [08:57] programs* [08:57] farhat: Slackware-current ? [08:57] sIRC (~sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [08:58] sahk0: slackware 13.0 [08:58] install the stuff from patches if you didnt already [08:59] sahk0: how ?? [09:00] i dont know how to do it with slackpkg and doing it my way would require a lot of typing for which i am bored right now. but configuring slackpkg correctly and executing 2-3 commands should do it [09:01] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [09:03] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-170.temp.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:04] <_RadioHead> hi Zordrak thrice` [09:05] reinstall my system again ? [09:06] why? [09:06] are you actually trying to help yourself, or just complaining? [09:06] read man slackpkg , it's very short and descriptive [09:07] hi _RadioHead [09:07] thrice`: I try [09:08] <_RadioHead> latest xorg i think have problem with intel [09:08] thrice`: I have 2 days with non firefox [09:08] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:09] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:10] _RadioHead, howso? [09:10] farhat, slackpkg install-new && slackpkg upgrade-all <- will give you a complete slackware system. assuming stuff works as expected... [09:11] _RadioHead, i've fixed all my intel problems today. which one do you have? [09:11] <_RadioHead> thrice`: i go back and isntall x/ from 13.0 because with -current x and "intel" wont work [09:11] eh, will you tell us the problem? :) [09:11] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: with my Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [09:11] and? [09:12] <_RadioHead> with vesa working but with intel nope [09:12] <_RadioHead> same was in 32 and 64 bit slava_dp [09:13] please be more specific. nobody will help you if you do not specify what the problem is. [09:13] post Xorg logs, error messages, etc. [09:13] slackandrew (~slackandr@144.75.187.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [09:13] slava_dp: , thanx , but slackpkg dos no thing , look : http://pastebin.com:80/3J0XjqzP [09:13] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: i fix that with downgrade to x from 13.0 , and i cant post logs coz already overwriten [09:14] LOL [09:14] _RadioHead, kk, feel free to use whatever you want. [09:14] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-244-207.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:14] LukeL_ (nobody@unaffiliated/lukel) joined ##slackware. [09:15] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] farhat, well that means your system is up to date. what happens if you run firefox from a terminal? [09:16] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: :) yep but with x/ from current i get (EE) intel(0): No kernel modesetting driver detected. and intel_drv.so: undefined symbol [09:16] <_RadioHead> anyway i fixed that as i say so i say this if someone have this problem downgrade will fix problem [09:16] <_RadioHead> only x/ downgrade [09:17] _RadioHead, it's because you have to load a kms driver. which requires a single kernel option: i915.modeset=1 [09:17] <_RadioHead> lilo/grub? [09:17] whatever. kernel command line. [09:18] slava_dp: thare is no firefox command in konsole [09:18] <_RadioHead> got it slava_dp , thx. i`ll try tomorrow [09:18] <_RadioHead> enaugh for today :) [09:18] farhat, "ls /var/log/packages/*firefox*" <- post the output of this command. [09:19] slava_dp: and ths is xchat : http://pastebin.com:80/8m0FFkxg , but thare is many apps what I don't know [09:19] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:20] slava_dp: sorry , I am slowly : http://pastebin.com:80/uhCqaf9s [09:21] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Changing host [09:21] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [09:23] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:26] LukeL_ (nobody@unaffiliated/lukel) left irc: Quit: Bye! [09:29] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.172.24.183) joined ##slackware. [09:29] farhat, slackpkg reinstall cairo [09:30] whats a good virtualbox like program [09:30] I've always used virtual box but someone mentioned qemu and i'm about to install virtuablbox. What are my options/alternatives? [09:31] sec0nd: more options than the ones you already mentioned? [09:31] sec0nd: VirtualBox is a very good virtualbox like program [09:31] amen [09:31] Virtualbox always uses a lot of cpu even when the guest os isn't doing anything, but it does work good and have guest additions [09:31] admen [09:31] i suggest trying virtualbox as an alternative. [09:31] slava_dp: how I know damaged packages install in my system ? and thanxxx [09:31] or VirtualBox.. thats a good one [09:32] if youre really stuck then there is one other option, you might have heard of it.. its called VirtualBox [09:32] ? [09:32] :D [09:32] ppl stop telling him virtualbox VirtualBox for a virtualBox software [09:32] ^ [09:32] slava_dp: or is kpackage is good for this ? [09:32] vbox is really good as well [09:33] pprkut: ++ [09:33] -.- [09:33] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [09:33] what about qemu? [09:33] Action: The-Croupier lol [09:33] QEmu? [09:33] what is it? Also what is kvm? [09:33] or qEMU? [09:33] -.- [09:33] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:33] sec0nd: was that not said enough time for you vbox....etc other versions of it [09:33] QEmu is an abbreviation for VirtualBox as well. [09:33] kvm = King Victor Meldrew [09:34] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.172.24.183) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:34] well I have the kvm kernel module installed what is it? [09:34] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:34] Action: The-Croupier loves it when sometimes ##slackware and ##slackware-offtopic merge in a fantastic uber-super-duper way [09:35] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [09:35] farhat, kpackage is not compatible with slackware. [09:35] farhat, you will have to manage using pkgtool/installpkg/upgradepkg/removepkg. [09:36] hey guys - gotta compat32 question [09:36] ready? [09:36] sec0nd: what do you wanna do, with virtualbox, qemu, kvm, whatever? [09:36] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:37] b_j_x: no.. wait a bit [09:37] im not quite ready [09:37] come back in about three hours.. ill prolly be ready by then [09:37] ha! [09:38] ... he thinks I'm joking ... [09:39] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-182.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:42] when you compile a package for 32 compat what makes it look for the 32 libs rather than the lib64? [09:43] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@188.4.87.213.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:43] surely not at compile time [09:44] slava_dp: is http://pastebin.com:80/H0C97sGr good ? [09:45] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5FB4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:46] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:47] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) joined ##slackware. [09:48] farhat, might work. use a single *. [09:48] farhat, might be better to grab the dvd and cd slackware/l; upgradepkg --reinstall *.txz [09:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-111-167.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] then cd slackware/xap; etc. [09:49] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:49] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:50] when you compile a package for 32 compat what makes it look for the 32 libs rather than the lib64? [09:50] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [09:50] allend (~allend@121.214.95.140) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:50] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5FB4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:50] b_j_x, the kernel? [09:51] trying to understand how aliens conveert works [09:52] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5FB4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:52] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:53] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5FB4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] ta sl. nah, if install a 32 package how does it know to reference the 32 libs rather than the 64 ones [09:55] ? [09:57] Well it's a 32-bit binary. I would guess that glibc sees this and pulls in the 32-bit libraries. [09:57] dbyte (~eduardo@190.42.28.181) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [09:57] it's probably an ld job [09:58] back [09:59] i think im off... see you soon all ;) [09:59] The-Croupier (ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [09:59] pprkut: I want to run windows inside of linux. [09:59] But seperate inside its own little world so to speak [10:00] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:02] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:03] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:03] Nick change: vastina -> dirty [10:04] -.- [10:05] sec0nd, what do you want to hear? either use Vbox, or use qemu or use qemu-kvm + virt-manager or whatever. all the stuff is on slackbuilds.org [10:06] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] slava_dp: what is qemu [10:07] telperion (~Adium@186.28.145.193) joined ##slackware. [10:07] sec0nd, http://lmgtfy.com//?q=qemu [10:07] telperion (Adium@186.28.145.193) left ##slackware. [10:08] thrashdude (~thrashdud@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [10:09] who maintains slackbuids atm? ife.g if i fixed something that no longer works with the latest gcc how can i get it up there? [10:11] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [10:11] b_j_x, e-mail the maintainer, as in the *.info file. [10:12] slava_dp danke [10:12] b_j_x, bitte :) [10:13] slava_dp: sec0nd [10:14] pupiteee (~p@93.86.91.125) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:14] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.199) joined ##slackware. [10:14] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:15] Delahunt (~robert@222-151-098-146.jp.fiberbit.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: Quit: x [10:19] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:19] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [10:20] im downloading Fontforge off sbopkg and it has been taking over an hour [10:20] this shouldnt be happening, right? [10:20] gets stuck half the time [10:20] really annoying waiting on this [10:21] probably not sbopkg's fault [10:21] not saying it is [10:21] asking should it be normal for it taking an hour to download? [10:21] DeputyDERPDERP: we will not have pirated software here [10:22] lolwat [10:22] sec0nd: ??? [10:22] yes i pirated my verison of slackware [10:22] DeputyDERPDERP: is sbopkg trying to download the fontforge sources ? [10:22] i admit it [10:22] Deputy, are the sources downloading from a slow sourceforge mirror maybe? [10:22] its trying to download the universe it seems [10:22] I am guilty of seeding Slackware torrents... [10:22] try editing the .info file and use a different mirror [10:23] it just seems to be this one file [10:23] It coyuld be that just the fontforge download site is dead [10:23] Axius (~fd@109.97.62.33) joined ##slackware. [10:23] yeah it downloaded quick in the beginning and its been stuck on the same thing for 30 minutes [10:23] alienBOB: the latest trend is if you use open source you're a pirate irregardless of ever torrenting or not. [10:23] lag [10:24] lag for 30 minutes? [10:24] thats some deadly lag [10:24] DeputyDERPDERP: It was downloaded here in 2 seconds using the link on slackbuilds.org [10:24] kill the download and try a different mirrir [10:24] ananke: ping [10:24] hi alienBOB [10:24] *mirror [10:24] fuuuuuuuuuuuuu [10:24] DeputyDERPDERP: i'm [10:24] -.- [10:24] lag again [10:24] alright gonna download off of slackbuilds.org [10:24] It is a sourceforge URL so indeed, you will get a random server assigned [10:25] alienBOB, -current works good. my hat's off to you, pat, and rob [10:25] DeputyDERPDERP: the link at slackbuilds.org points to sourceforge [10:25] alienBOB: are the ssh logs stored in /var/log/secure ? [10:25] Delahunt: well there are some snags due to the sheer amount of upgrades [10:25] I thought SF assigned a download site based on proximity.. [10:26] alienBOB, true but for now it's working fine for me (except inteldrmfb on boot, dangit i hate framebuffer) [10:26] I liked that KMS framebuffer.... I suddenly had a console on both monitors! [10:26] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: see ya! [10:26] can't argue with that [10:27] but not on laptops (especially eee variety) with high pixel density [10:27] just about need bifocals for that 8-) [10:27] :D [10:27] alienBOB, do you happen to know how to control it (before i check my LQ post)? [10:27] i'm learning irssi, just discovered the alt+# key [10:27] saves bunch of time [10:28] sec0nd: unless you have multiple tabs in say something like Terminal. which uses alt +# as well. [10:28] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:29] I am actually trying to wean myself off and use /win # more. [10:29] You can use ESC, then the key thats associated with the window too [10:29] DeputyDERPDERP: yes, it's an issue with fontforge mirrors. sbopkg just built fontforge successfully for me but it look awhile for those sources to come down. [10:29] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:29] so.. ESC then 3 to move to window 3 [10:29] alienBOB, nevermind, i checked LQ [10:29] or t to move to window 15 [10:30] i only use irssi when i wanna feel leet [10:31] in the new kernel, where are the kernel headers hidden? [10:31] and has anyone tried running vmware workstation on the current's kernel 2.6.33 [10:31] ? [10:32] zux1wrk: I have, yes. [10:32] Various headers were moved from include/linux/ to include/generated/ [10:33] adamk, so you do run vmware workstation right? [10:33] Yes. [10:33] how did you recompile the modules? [10:34] I symlinked those headers to include/linux, ran vmware, and it rebuilt the modules. [10:34] if i run vmware [10:34] it opens a gui and asks where the headers are [10:34] if i show it the include/generated [10:34] it says those are the wrong headers [10:35] Action: zux1wrk looks if i installed the proper kernel-source package [10:35] many were also moved from usr/src/linux-x.x.x/include/asm-xxx to usr/src/linux-x.x.x/arch/xxx/include/asm [10:35] upgrading machines to -current while drinking beer ... difficulty rating please [10:36] easily [10:36] the more beer [10:36] the easier it gets... [10:36] after enough beer, it gets real easy, you don't care if something fails... [10:37] virtualbox cannot run 64bit even on a 64bit machine. can qemu run x86_64 guest virtual machines? [10:37] Action: Delahunt had a 15 hour flight and can't sleep [10:37] sec0nd, is this a core 2 duo laptop? [10:38] yes [10:39] sec0nd, vbox can run 64 on 64. [10:39] sec0nd: I run 64-bit VMs in VirtualBox all the time [10:39] I don't have the bios option to do so [10:39] 64 on 32 depends on hardware virtualization capabilities. [10:39] sec0nd, the core 2 duo laptops only vm in 32bit. it's just the way it is, i was told [10:39] it can run x86_64 on an x86_64 host, OR on an x86 host if the CPU supports x86_64 and VTx [10:39] 64 on 64 in virtualbox also does to [10:39] (i checked on the wiki page on the cpu) [10:40] there may be some laptop models that have 64bit vm but i know there are some that are only 32bit vm [10:40] BP{k}: Are you going to type win 20 all the time like straterra now? [10:40] *cannot run 64 on 64 [10:40] praedictus (1001@187-24-241-99.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:41] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [10:42] I run Slackware 13 32-bit (core 2 duo processor) and I use a Slackware64 13.0 VM in VirtualBox to test my SlackBuilds on 64-bit [10:42] yep [10:43] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl10-136-133.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:44] i'm going to set all laptops to GLMatrix screen saver [10:44] that way even if they're not doing anything, they look like they are 8-) [10:44] Delahunt: substrate is pretty neat. [10:44] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-251-143.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:44] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [10:45] thrashdude (~thrashdud@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:46] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [10:46] anyone uses the Con Kolivas patchset? [10:47] Action: alienBOB runs electricsheep screensaver. That makes people want Slackware [10:48] lol [10:48] alienBOB: Did Pat leave gzip as a tgz package in 13.0 to be ironic? [10:48] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:49] i picked slackware because i saw this name called alienBOB making scripts and shit [10:49] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:49] was like shit they got some alien named bob working for them [10:49] so i downloaded and installed [10:49] true story [10:50] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-187-223.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:51] I think we should add that to the testimonials page. [10:51] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-187-223.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [10:51] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [10:51] do it [10:51] its really how i chose my distro [10:52] a friend kept telling me to download it and i would wait off. was like nahhhh i dunno. tried out debian and gentoo [10:52] didnt like them [10:52] search slackware [10:52] DeputyDERPDERP: hahaha [10:52] first name i see is alienbob [10:52] Weird0ne (~rogue@70.46.163.36) joined ##slackware. [10:52] was like shit thats a cool name [10:52] i think im on my third day slacking [10:53] asarch (~guillermo@187.132.6.55) joined ##slackware. [10:53] jkwood: some packages are left as .tgz so that upgrades from a Slackware before the era of .txz are still possible [10:54] pupiteee (~p@93.86.91.125) joined ##slackware. [10:54] hmm, i still can't get vmware to compile the modules [10:54] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:54] it just says that it can't find the right C header files [10:55] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [10:56] i have everything in include/generated linked to include/linux [10:56] what else might i try? [10:57] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-136-133.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:58] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-167-141.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:00] alienBOB: Yeah, I thought of that as I went - I'm working on a 13.0 image for Linode.com. [11:01] jkwood: o good! [11:01] what else is there besides sbopkg? [11:01] new slacker here [11:01] DeputyDERPDERP: hmm? [11:01] If they'll accept it, I might do a 64-bit image for them too. [11:01] more things to do more things like downloading things [11:01] to my things [11:02] wget [11:02] O, check some other package repositories (not just SlackBuilds there) like mine, and that of rworkman [11:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-149-236.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:03] telperion (~Adium@186.28.145.193) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Which GNOME version does Freerock GNOME provide? [11:04] asarch: You mean GSB - 2.26 for 13.0 [11:04] how about that kernel header thing? [11:04] telperion (Adium@186.28.145.193) left ##slackware. [11:04] This one: http://gsb.freerock.org/ ? [11:05] that project is defunct and GSB was forked from it: [11:07] DeputyDERPDERP (batman@75.110.36.127) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:07] D'oh° [11:07] adamk, are you still here [11:07] ? [11:07] Thank you very much chipster [11:07] telperion1 (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [11:07] asarch: my pleasure. Stop over to #gsb if you have questions. [11:08] telperion1 (Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [11:08] I will. Thank you once again [11:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:11] straterra: yes? [11:12] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:12] ananke: do you ever do anything with heartbeat? [11:12] jkwood: no it was because when we changed from gzip compression to LZMA, you needed to install the new versions of pkgtools first in order to handle the new compression format and file name extensions. so the pkgtools needed to be in gzip format first [11:12] straterra: nope [11:12] well damn [11:12] Action: MoZes meant to press earlier but the boss came by ;) [11:13] asarch (~guillermo@187.132.6.55) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:13] PiterPunk: ping? 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[11:22] yum, beer and a couple packs of japanese ramen at 1 am in japan [11:22] Axius (~fd@109.97.62.33) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:25] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.205.249) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:26] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:27] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:27] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:28] brainvision (~brainvisi@host27-10-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:29] hi everybody [11:29] matt0 (~matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:29] matt0 (matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left ##slackware. [11:30] jkwood: talk to irgeek@linode too, i think he did the last slackware upgrade there [11:30] ang: Yeah, I gave him the list of packages. ;) [11:31] nice. sounds like you've got it under control then :) [11:32] i'm still on 12.0 at linode, but i'm on 13.0 64bit at prgmr [11:33] what is @linode ? [11:33] Yeah, I don't have a spare node to play with here, so irgeek has to build the images, but for the most part the community takes care of making sure upgrades will work. Unless it's Debian or Ubuntu. [11:33] Delahunt: Virtual Private Server provider. linode.com [11:34] bitlord (~bitlord@93.87.196.249) joined ##slackware. [11:34] bitlord (~bitlord@93.87.196.249) left irc: Changing host [11:34] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [11:35] charle97 (~c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:35] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:36] prgmr diidn't support slackware, so I took the stacklet.com image and converted it to a tarball, used prgmr's centos rescue disk and installed the tarball. [11:37] straterra, i run heartbeat, but it will only take an ip address if the other host dies [11:38] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:38] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] pupiteee (~p@93.86.208.137) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:51] Jiraia_ (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::54ef) joined ##slackware. [11:52] guys, I'm trying to configure the vid card on a laptop here [11:52] what should I use for an intel mobile rev 7? [11:53] intel [11:53] and defaults [11:53] without any xorg.conf, as soon as I do a startx the system hangs [11:53] well, doiesn't hang, but display is currupted [11:53] what does log say? [11:53] if I start with nomodeset I can get it to work with vesa [11:53] restarting [11:54] current? [11:54] yep [11:54] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5641) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:55] PararaPatxin (~emiperez@83.57.148.220) joined ##slackware. [11:55] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:56] PararaPatxin (emiperez@83.57.148.220) left ##slackware. [11:56] ok, just booted (w/o kms) [11:56] what module should I try? [11:56] it's not intel, right? [11:57] i dunno, i have not tried kms [11:57] but some other guys here were talking about it [11:57] this is without kms [11:58] I mean, do I need to do something before issuing a startx? [11:58] alned (~alnedhack@unaffiliated/alned) joined ##slackware. [11:58] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:58] load any module, avoid fb... [11:59] is there any iso that will work like usbboot.img: I want to install slackware on a computer that can't boot from usb which is what I usually do, and I have everything on my external drive but I need something to boot [11:59] (or a CD iso that chainloads the usb key?) [12:00] alned (alnedhack@unaffiliated/alned) left ##slackware. [12:01] axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Camarade_Tux: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/ ? [12:01] Kaapa: KMS is part of the 'intel' drm module. [12:01] jkwood: perfect, thanks =) [12:01] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.10) joined ##slackware. [12:02] dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so: undefined symbol: resVgaShared [12:02] Camarade_Tux: Thank alienBOB, I just knew it was there. ;) [12:02] hey guys. Just upgraded to -current and rebuilt the nvidia driver. now X wont start, and this kicks in dmesg when I try to start X i2c_core: exports duplicate symbol i2c_smbus_xfer (owned by kernel) [12:02] can i run a command somehow and see every file it accesses? [12:02] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs alienBOB [12:02] Kaapa: Actually, I take it back. I think it's the i915 kernel module. From what I understand, the latest intel Xorg drivers will not work without KMS enabled. [12:03] adamk: that's what I heard too [12:03] with kms enabled my monitor is totally screwed up [12:03] maybe I'm just missing a module [12:03] Kaapa: I had the same problem yesterday, but I fixed it. [12:03] in radeon I need to manually load the "radeon" module [12:03] Mel-nix: really? how? [12:03] this internet connection is crap, at most 20KB/s from slackware.com ='( [12:04] Kaapa: which card? [12:04] bad Camarade_Tux, never download from slackware.com [12:04] Camarade_Tux, i don't think it's your internet connection [12:04] download from osuosl [12:05] Camarade_Tux: intel mobile 4 series chipset integrated graphics controler rev 07 [12:05] thrice`: XD [12:05] zux1wrk: He's downloading a file that's only available from slackware.com. [12:05] Kaapa: I just removed kernel-huge and installed kernel-generic. Then I used mkinitrd(8). [12:05] zux1wrk: this one definitely sucks :-) [12:05] what is that file? [12:06] Mel-nix: hum, I'm using generic driver [12:06] alienBOB's special 40-meg mini-iso. [12:06] my backup plan is to download it from my computer at home, host it there and reupload it :-) [12:06] anything particular in the initrd? [12:06] zux1wrk> can i run a command somehow and see every file it tries to accesses? [12:06] access [12:06] strace [12:06] ok, i'll try... [12:06] ananke: after booting and before starting X, should I manually load something? i915 or so? [12:07] any of you folks here have experience with user authentication on Apache? [12:07] Camarade_Tux, can i grep the output somehow to only see the accessed files? [12:08] Kaapa: i915 should be loaded first, with KMS enabled. [12:08] redirect stderr to a file and work from that [12:09] All the docs I've read tell me NOT to allow people to log into a site using their system usernames and password from /etc/shadow, and I understand why. But I don't see anyone advising against the use of PAM to authenticate users.... [12:09] adamk: i915 is loaded [12:09] anyone know why mod_auth_pam is supposedly better than plain old shadow? [12:10] ea_suter: PAM is imbued with the voodoo. [12:10] ok, after a startx I lost display. [12:10] Kaapa: Is KMS active, though? [12:10] 2 underscores in the top of the display [12:11] Kaapa: Can you login on a console or remotely and grab the log file? [12:11] This sounds like something of a driver bug, to me. [12:11] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [12:11] adamk: you're talking about Xorg.0.log? [12:11] Camarade_Tux, i can't seem to find a way to redirect the output.... [12:11] troys (~troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] strace ... &> logfile [12:12] adamk: how can I be absolutely sure I'm using kms? [12:12] and read the manpage for the options [12:12] Kaapa, are you on the slackware 2.6.33 kernel? [12:12] Kaapa: Yes, that log. [12:12] Kaapa: Finally I appeneded `i915.modeset=1' to the `append' line in lilo.conf(5). This enables KMS. [12:12] Camarade_Tux, thanks, this looks like what i wanted [12:12] Mel-nix, you don't need that in -current, it's the default [12:12] :-) [12:12] Kaapa: Check the output of 'dmesg | grep drm' and even 'cat /proc/fb' [12:13] download over, bbl =) [12:14] thrice`: I am using -current, but had problems without that line. I tried almost everything and then got X working with the above line. [12:15] axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:15] Mel-nix, that line doesn't do anything, is what I mean :> [12:15] adamk: http://kaapa.pastebin.mozilla.org/706145 [12:16] zgrep -i i915 /proc/config.gz and see for yourself [12:16] Kaapa, are you trying 2.6.33? [12:16] thrice`: yep [12:16] your own, or slacks ? [12:16] slacks [12:16] do you specifically call out intelfb? [12:16] don't make me compile kernels - I've had enough :D [12:16] in your lilo.conf or so [12:16] no [12:17] should I? [12:17] there's a suspitions line on boot: [12:17] Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Intel G45 DEVCTG" "bla bla bla" [12:18] hum, this seems to be audio related [12:18] axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [12:18] can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log [12:18] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::556d) joined ##slackware. [12:19] Kaapa: Alright, so you have KMS enabled. [12:19] Grab the Xorg log file if you can. [12:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:20] Jiraia_ (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::54ef) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [12:21] http://pastebin.ca/1822838 [12:21] dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so: undefined symbol: resVgaShared [12:21] Piervit (1000@abo-85-210-68.trs.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:21] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@188.4.87.213.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: the poul......... :) [12:21] Odd.. [12:21] Kaapa, you're on the huge kernel, I'd guess - try generic [12:22] asarch (~guillermo@187.132.6.55) joined ##slackware. [12:22] You're using the latest xserver and intel driver in -current? [12:22] no I'm not [12:22] I'm on generic [12:22] triple-checking [12:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [12:22] image = /boot/vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.33-smp [12:22] -.- [12:23] I'd guess that you are using an older version of the intel driver. At least that's what the few hits I'm getting on google are suggesting. [12:23] who ever said that the alt+# was good except when in a terminal that uses alt+# to switch tabs was right -.- [12:23] asarch (~guillermo@187.132.6.55) left irc: Client Quit [12:23] it must be REALLY old; 2.8+ should work alright for 1.7 [12:24] xf86-video-intel-2.7.1-i486-2 [12:24] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Heh. [12:24] ffs, use all of -current!! :> [12:24] phrag (~slack@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:24] wtf?!?!?! [12:24] should be on 2.10.0 [12:24] Yeah, that thing is ancient. [12:24] No wonder it's not working. [12:24] hum, must have grabbed one from extra/ dir [12:25] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:26] sec0nd: I believe that was BP{k}. [12:27] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:29] adamk: thrice`: Thanks a lot guys! [12:29] works now? [12:29] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] thrice`: like expected, like a charm :) [12:31] tooly (~theo@e178150009.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:31] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:31] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:32] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:33] sec0nd (coolkehon@unaffiliated/sec0nd) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:33] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [12:33] coolkeho1 (~second@c-66-31-196-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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Now, I get some error in `/sbin/dhclient-script`. [12:40] anyone having probs with there slackware current upgrades [12:40] the default dhcp client in slackware is dhcpcd [12:40] CodeSyS (~CodeSYS@dsl093-061-084.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:40] well, haven't played with that yet, so have to check tonight when I get to the office [12:40] It's -current. There are always problems. :P [12:40] im installing them now just wondering if they had issues cause there is quite a lot to upgrade including glibc gcc etc. [12:41] what NaCl said [12:41] Can't wait for -current to go gold :) [12:44] adaptr: Thanks, I will try that the next time. [12:45] delt0r_ (~delt0r@80-123-59-1.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [12:47] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-57-20.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:47] oobe, my -current yesterday was smooth [12:48] thanks [12:48] i mean i expect to need to fix some things [12:48] How do I stop and continue a program from top(1) as in kill -SIGSTOP|-SIGCONT `pgrep mpg123` [12:48] oobe, i don't have any problems here [12:48] i just always expect the worst case though [12:48] thanks guys makes me feel better [12:48] except inteldrmfb annoyance (not problem, just annoyance) [12:48] follow UPGRADE.TXT to the letter and you should be fine [12:49] i need to buy more hard drive space [12:49] Mel-nix, ? [12:49] Mel-nix, if the program is running in the foreground, control+Z to suspend it [12:49] then run "fg" to bring it back to foreground [12:49] and when i do im gonna remake new partitions and copy over home and / and change from ext4 back to ext3 [12:50] oobe, why ext4 -> ext3 ? [12:50] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::556d) left irc: Disconnected by services [12:50] i had a few files loose all contents due to power loss which is cause ext4 delays writing to increase performance [12:50] Delahunt: I am aware of that, but when it is running in the background? [12:50] oobe, power loss can cause that on any filesystem [12:50] but it causes this problem [12:50] Mel-nix, what? [12:51] Delahunt, im talking about how it writes to disk [12:51] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5487) joined ##slackware. [12:51] its explained quite well in the stuff i read [12:51] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:51] oobe, the "write hole" has been fixed, i heard [12:51] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:51] Action: Delahunt has had no problems with ext4's writing methodology so far [12:52] i'd still rather use XFS than ext3 though (faster) [12:53] yea i use it for data [12:53] sec0nd: That was indeed me, and of course I am right. ;-) [12:53] Delahunt: I usually run mpg123(1) from within screen(1). I am able to stop and continue using the above command. I was wondering if I could achieve the same behaviour from within top(1). I tried, but no success. [12:53] last i did a benchmark (one that is real world, not like the others you see) ext4 was fastest, followed by XFS [12:53] anyone here uses hplip? Having issues configuring an hp p1005 [12:53] Mel-nix, oh no wonder you wanted the signal [12:53] cups is generating invalid ppd's [12:53] see i dont even care about stuff like that i just want stable [12:53] oobe, well then ext3 will suite you 8-) [12:54] i wish i started this upgrade on a tty instead of a virtual terminal [12:54] im worried it will crash [12:54] Delahunt: So which signal do I kill the program with, to achieve the required behaviour? [12:54] yea thats what i mean when i get the money im worried my 250GB is dieing i want to replace with a 1TB plus add more storage [12:55] so when i do since i have to format anyway i will use ext3 [12:55] and xfs for video [12:56] Action: Delahunt has a laptop so he uses ext4 and hasn't noticed any problems yet [12:57] yea i really didnt read up much and still cant see the advantage of having ext4 [12:57] i mean i dont need to read write fast enough to notice any performance benifit [12:57] oobe, just specify auto_da_aloc [12:57] Mel-nix, i don't know, hold on [12:57] but i did notice after a crash some of my text files where empty and had to write them out from scratch [12:58] i've found deleting large files to be faster on ext4 than ext3. maybe because of extents [12:58] if you stripe-align (ssd owners) you can see a bit more speed with the extents but not much [12:58] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [12:59] oobe, do "man mount" then press / key then type auto_da_alloc [12:59] then press enter [13:00] " This provides roughly the same level of guarantees as ext3, and avoids the "zero-length" problem that can happen when a system crashes before the delayed allocation blocks are forced to disk." [13:00] Action: mag0o wonders how that spoon full of sarcasm fit in the intartubes [13:01] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@noon.nas.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Action: Delahunt stabs mag0o with a very large spoon [13:02] you spooned mag0o [13:03] 8-S [13:04] Action: Delahunt stabs himself [13:04] Action: SlashQuit stabs his eyes out [13:05] Fatalnix (1001@robots.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:05] Delahunt, sounds good can i specify auto_da_alloc in my fstab [13:06] yes [13:06] /dev/cryptvg/home /home ext4 auto_da_alloc,defaults,commit=1800 1 2 [13:06] that's my line [13:06] (although with /home you could get anal and specify nodev also) [13:06] commit=1800 is my way of telling the FS i'm only worried about losing 30 minutes worth of work, read man page or ignore it [13:06] Action: sec0nd highlighs himself (sec0nd) [13:06] (laptops) [13:07] ok i will do that after this upgrade thanks [13:07] is the upgrade in progress? [13:08] yes [13:08] has been for about an hour [13:08] you could, if you are impatient like me, control+Z, edit fstab, mount / -o remount, fg [13:09] i feel silly cause i usually do big upgrades from a tty but im using konsole [13:09] you can remount filesystems in place usually without a problem [13:09] using KONSOLE?! [13:09] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-170.temp.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:09] it says put your machine in init level 1 [13:09] well i hope it goes ok [13:10] if it doesnt i will learn from my mistake [13:10] Action: Delahunt shrugs "your life" [13:10] I haven't upgraded a machine in runlevel 1 in years. :) [13:10] is ext4 stable ? or still experimental [13:10] stable for me [13:10] alienBOB: got rsync on the sources for KDE 4.4.1? [13:10] rworkman, that makes me feel better [13:11] goarilla, it is stable [13:11] or at least they say it is [13:11] :D [13:11] Hasn't died on me yet [13:11] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5487) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:11] is it a big enough improvement to change ext3 fs to it now ? [13:11] or to replace ext3 as the default mkfs on new partitions [13:12] goarilla, xfs is a big enough improvement over ext3 to switch to xfs imho [13:12] but yes, ext4 is definitely all it is cracked up to be [13:12] goarilla: the slack installer "defaults" to ext4 [13:12] i tested it myself by running scenarios on a SD card [13:12] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:12] ok that says enough for me [13:12] hahaha "defaults" [13:12] "omg it landed on ext4! it defaults to ext4!" 8-) [13:13] Delahunt: no xfs anymore ever [13:13] for me [13:13] Action: Delahunt had no problems with ext3,reiserfs,xfs,or ext4 [13:13] i had massive silent corruption on xfs formatted external usb drives [13:14] jfs still is the best choice [13:14] All my hard drives are ntfs now. [13:14] I'm enjoying ext4 after many years of happy marriage with jfs [13:15] there is no "best choice" [13:15] each has its strengths and weaknesses [13:15] I'd say that ext4 is an improvement over ext3 which is an improvement over ext2 [13:15] well ext2 is very fast fwiw, until it's time to fsck [13:16] Some people prefer to fsck slowly. [13:16] but i think it's funny how the ext family is stable yet they want you to fsck every so often. i understand precautions but it almost seems like a contradiction, or did in the past [13:16] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:18] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [13:18] farhat (~29631418@gateway/web/freenode/x-bnmnwxwejehscfor) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:18] Delahunt (~robert@222-151-098-146.jp.fiberbit.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:19] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [13:19] news, GOP comparing UBUNTI to slackware. [13:19] oh shit [13:21] GOP ? [13:21] what's that? [13:21] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:21] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:21] governement [13:21] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [13:21] wel republican party anyway [13:22] where is it tho jeev can you give us a link [13:23] goarilla, does it matter ? nothing they say has anything behind it so why would you ask for a link now ? :D [13:23] jkwood: ntfs for compatibility or ... because you find ntfs to be a very decent fs, tho not a unix fs [13:24] it's odd [13:24] goarilla: ntfs because I was hoping someone would chew me out. I actually use ext3. [13:24] axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:24] they are tech luddites and it's bizzar [13:24] you wanted wintroll flames* ? [13:24] Dan C style :D [13:27] LTL2h (~IV@AToulouse-258-1-111-240.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009062414] [13:28] guys, in a laptop that's running on baterry, how can I check if cpu is running on power-safe mode? 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[13:36] jkwood: yeah it shows all channels, i run alsaconf and i have the nvidia card which i chsope and mpu [13:36] so terhe is no possibility to get any sound out of it, works udner windows, speakers also fine [13:36] Axius (~fd@109.97.36.156) joined ##slackware. [13:37] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-214.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] hi, how can I remove Adobe Acrobat Reader from my system? [13:37] oobe (~poofarter@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:38] The_ManU_212: Then something is muted. At the bottom of each channel, it will either say "00" or "MM". "MM" means the channel is muted. [13:39] jkwood: all is peaking in red and 00 [13:39] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:40] Hmm... Have you tabbed over to the "All" view? That might make a difference. [13:40] I have to go, but if that doesn't fix it, then there's something very weird going on. [13:41] Do note, that particular family of sound cards has issues with older kernels (pre 2.6.22, I believe.) [13:41] jkwood: how to tab with the right left key? [13:41] jkwood: i use 2.6.31.11 [13:41] With the tab key. [13:41] grzybowski (~william@unaffiliated/grzybowski) joined ##slackware. [13:41] Okay, headed out. [13:41] grzybowski (william@unaffiliated/grzybowski) left ##slackware. [13:44] jkwood: k thx but thtat wasnt the solution [13:46] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:49] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.210.212) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:51] ^silence^ (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:53] ^silence^ (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [13:53] arescorpio (~arescorpi@200.82.42.17) joined ##slackware. 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[14:12] /quit [14:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-111-167.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:12] jeev: failed :p [14:14] Agent Smith's fork-bomb was the only good scene that wasn't in the original film [14:16] is it normal that cpufreq-info always shows the lowest cpu frq? [14:16] Kaapa: what governor are you using? [14:17] > The governor "ondemand" may decide which speed to use [14:17] a big fat java compilation is about to start [14:17] nothing is demanding more then [14:17] I'll see if it kicks off [14:17] and so it is [14:17] with ondemeand you should see it jumb between highest and lowest [14:18] s/jumb/jump/ [14:18] Kaapa: greeting bro... long time no see...how are you? ;) [14:18] The-Croupier: always fine - getting out of a hell 2 weeks [14:18] nice man, nice ;) [14:19] what would be classified as hell? [14:19] bad relationship ;) [14:19] I can't find again what to put in lilo.conf to boot in runlevel 4: I tried 'runlevel=4' but didn't work, what's the correct thing? [14:19] (I'm a bit limited in time and googling in terminal is quite annoying) [14:20] i thought you dont put that in lilo.conf ;) [14:20] Camarade_Tux: Just '4' as an argument to the kernel. [14:20] there is another file for that [14:20] ah, ok, thanks [14:20] Yeah, editing /etc/inittab is probably easier. [14:20] And saner. [14:20] Action: dirty facepalms [14:20] adamk: thanks.... that one i ment [14:20] adamk: ah, right, that's what I actually wanted xD [14:20] current CPU frequency is 2.40 GHz [14:20] hehm yep [14:21] Kaapa: whats the actual cpu freq? [14:21] 2.4 [14:22] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:23] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [14:23] nice ;) [14:28] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. 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[14:43] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [14:44] nope. magic [14:44] or slackware ;) [14:45] The-Croupier: there's a difference? :o [14:46] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:47] NaCl: lftp fish://user@hostname works wonders. [14:47] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:49] mayday-jay (~mayday_ja@noon.nas.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] jkwood: user name? [14:49] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] anonymous? [14:51] jkwood's sense of humour is too advanced to be understood in its full extend by mere mortals:) [14:51] Action: NaCl is NaCl [14:51] Action: NaCl is immortal [14:51] NaCl: I'm not entirely certain what you're trying to do. fish:// makes lftp work through ssh, though (so, sftp.) [14:52] jkwood: trying to pull down stuff from http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.4.1/ [14:52] You can also plug an http url and work with that. [14:52] whoa [14:52] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@noon.nas.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:52] Ah, okay. lftp http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/ then mirror 4.4.1 [14:53] yup. [14:53] found it. [14:53] Action: NaCl grabs the lappy [14:53] If you just want packages, mirror 4.4.1 -X *.txt [14:53] Going to build me the "corrupt" KDE 4.4 [14:53] asarch (~chatzilla@187.132.4.103) joined ##slackware. [14:53] lftp is one of my favorite tools, though I dislike ftp. [14:54] ftp is fine. [14:54] I don't like sftp, though [14:54] lftp makese sftp a breeze. [14:54] I do not disagree. [14:54] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:55] The sftp tool itself lacks this thing called "tab completion" [14:55] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Tab-completion alone makes it a winner in my book [14:55] LOL [14:55] Well, it apparently does. [14:55] If anyone wants to prove me wrong in the matter, I am all ears [14:57] im having problems with mysql upgrade how do i find out the old version and get a copy of it [14:58] asarch (~chatzilla@187.132.4.103) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:59] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:00] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] LnxSlck (1000@95.69.57.254) joined ##slackware. [15:03] brainvision (~brainvisi@host27-10-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[15:24] h2do (~CodeSYS@dsl093-061-084.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] rworkman: I have builds for NM and friends. [15:24] If you want them. [15:25] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:26] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:27] what new things brings the 2.6.33 kernel? [15:28] NaCl: what is NM? [15:28] network manager... [15:28] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:28] Camarade_Tux: thanks [15:28] we should have called the asylum, they would have taken care of NaCl ;-) [15:28] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] NaCl: does it work? :) [15:29] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:29] hey rworkman, how are you? [15:30] pupiteee: alive. That's all I'm willing to say right now :) [15:31] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) joined ##slackware. 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[16:06] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-115-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:07] then what is it? [16:17] h2do (~CodeSYS@dsl093-061-084.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:19] brainvision (~brainvisi@host27-10-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [16:20] this was kinda creepy: http://trololololololololololo.com/ [16:20] LnxSlck (1000@95.69.57.254) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:20] but still hillarious :) [16:21] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:22] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-115-168.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [16:24] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:24] brainvision (~brainvisi@host27-10-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. 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[19:15] Hello farhat [19:16] farhat, >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Messages/vous-avez-un-message-85 [19:16] this is my link ^^ [19:17] >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Messages/vous-avez-un-message-852.gif sorry. [19:17] is Camarade_Tux on tonight? [19:17] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:17] he's online, but he might be away. [19:18] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:18] anyone else have any experience with the nouveau drivers? [19:19] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:19] Olé BP{k} =) [19:19] brainvision (~brainvisi@host149-214-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:20] farhat, bad server, it's semmes ? 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The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [19:33] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [19:33] dang [19:34] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [19:34] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [19:34] heya,slackers [19:36] heya MLanden, how are you? [19:36] heya,fire|bird....doin' fine for the evenin' thanks...you? [19:37] I'm doing very well, thank you. [19:37] MLanden: howdy [19:37] knoxville_ (~knoxville@c-75-73-224-97.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] heya,BP{k}...how goes? [19:38] MLanden: not too bad, debugging my backupscript :) [19:38] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [19:38] BP{k}, coming along nicely? [19:39] is there a command that I can issue to update my slackware 12.2? [19:39] knoxville_: slackpkg(8) [19:39] MLanden: it actually works .. I just noticed one part is coded wrong/can be written better, but works because it's mostly a "what if this happends" situation added as an after thought :) [19:39] with the (8)? [19:40] knoxville_: update to what? 13.0 or just apply the security patches for 12.2? [19:40] the 8 revers to the section of the manual pages. [19:40] I want to make it 13.0 [19:40] no wonder the man adduser wouldn't work [19:41] there is no man page for 'adduser' in slackware [19:41] knoxville@demeter:~$ man adduser [19:41] No manual entry for adduser [19:41] BP{k}, good to hear..always good to keep that W.I.T.H. perspective..:P [19:42] as to upgrading to 13.0, you should read the UPGRADE.TXT file that comes with 13.0 [19:42] ok, was just wondering if there was a command like ubuntu that is "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y [19:42] knoxville_, yes, slackpkg will do the same. read through "man slackpkg" [19:43] I am currently reading the manual, thanks guys [19:43] what do I do if slackpkg is not installed? [19:44] still read the UPGRADE.TXT .. or install it. [19:45] oh, you can only run slackpkg as root! [19:45] fredoslack: thanx :) [19:46] I want to see 100 lols in a row. [19:46] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:47] jk. Lol, nullboy [19:47] was 272 but w/e [19:47] so, upon compiling a kernel in -current, i still have the following questions about the generic smp kernel config: [19:48] 1) does token ring really need to be <*> in generic-smp? does anyone need token ring to boot? [19:49] 2) why isn't SPI enabled in the config? if people need token ring, surely they need SPI as well (or at least it adds nice features) [19:49] 3) Why isn't Windows Logical Volumes enabled in filesystems under partition types? [19:49] I used to, until one day, my token fell out .. I never got it too boot afterwards .. [19:50] 4) With people using laptops, seriously, why isn't AC97 autosuspend enabled by default (set to 1 second)? [19:50] 5) In CPUFreq, why isn't "ondemand" the default governor? (this would make more sense, and is essentially what the factory does with its windows drivers in my experience) [19:51] lol [19:51] 6) Could we add a piece in the setup program with ideas for LILO append statements (to be nice) such as "If you would like USB auto-suspend, specify usbcore.autosuspend=1" etc? [19:51] delahunt, ask pat :P [19:51] yarvin (~yarvin@155-197-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] 7) Even if ext4 is the "default" filesystem (not really "default" but we get accused of it lol) why not offer the option auto_da_alloc to ease people's minds about ext4? [19:52] Necos, i will [19:52] Delahunt, have you read through rc.modules, and how it loads the cpufreq modules? [19:53] yes and i find that approach both annoying and un-slackware-like (seriously, "try all the modules and see which one loads"?) [19:53] i would think they should uncomment the one that applies to their hardware (the cpufreq driver) [19:53] why? then "default" doesn't matter [19:53] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) left irc: Changing host [19:53] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [19:53] but as for scaling governors, ondemand surely ought to be the default governor, regardless of the cpufreq hardware it's on [19:53] you could easily have made a config that you see as sensible, diff'd it, and submitted it as a patch :P [19:54] why should it be the default? [19:54] because your hardware uses it? [19:54] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-168-101.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:54] 1) because it makes the most logical sense to be used as a default, as it will result in the best power to processing efficiency [19:55] stop making retarded lists ;) [19:55] 2) it's how every laptop i've ever used comes configured from the factory [19:55] Delahunt, stop right there... [19:55] and i would wager i could find intel and AMD pages recommending that mode [19:55] making a justification because it works on laptops is just wrong [19:55] powertop (coded by Intel) recommends it also [19:55] generic is just that: generic [19:56] cpufreq is not going to be loaded on any other [19:56] and you need to read up on what i'm suggesting [19:56] you can use cpufreq on a desktop [19:56] if you have a non-cpufreq CPU this discussion don't matter [19:56] it's stupid to use most of the time , but you can [19:56] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:56] however, on a desktop it also results in the safest way (i would wager) to ensure your processor does not go into thermal throttling [19:56] I don't get what is wrong with Pat's approach still; it takes probably 0.1 seconds longer at boot, and results in it working properly for every single machine [19:57] thrice`, i agree [19:57] userspace mode sets to highest frequency, which means you're at max speed during install and on first boot, something which may not be appreciated or needed [19:57] and honestly does anyone use userspace in daily use as their governor? i've got OCD tendencies and i don't even care that much about controlling the frequency [19:57] if you're installing, you damn sure want max speed... faster install means less wait time until use [19:58] I do [19:58] I use userspace because you can then use lm_sensors or any other app you want to control the speed [19:58] :P [19:58] Necos, maybe not. you might be installing on battery power (doesn't sound logical, i know, but it could happen) [19:58] The kernel isn't smart enough to handle that, for me [19:58] straterra is an exception to the rule lol [19:58] haha [19:59] Delahunt, it's not logical, and even moreso stupid, as heavy i/o means battery drain, and thus will require a/c power [20:00] if a teacher brought me a laptop without an a/c adapter, i tell them i refuse to work on it until they do [20:01] I do the work...and just stop when it dies [20:01] and do the next thing on my list [20:01] yeah, i don't want them bitching about data loss or any such nonsense, so i make it their responsibility :) [20:02] There's your problem [20:02] You care too much [20:02] lol [20:02] i can't use the ether to knock them out and dispose of the bodies straterra :P [20:02] there's a legal issue somewhere there... :( [20:03] http://www.latimes.com/news/local/education/ <--- damn, i really should go out and protest, but fuckin traffic ; ; [20:03] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-214.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:04] Installing on battery power would be a very poor iea. [20:05] jkwood, on battery power is a very poor idea :) [20:06] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:06] Necos, huh? what? [20:07] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-168-101.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] yes installing on battery power is silly but what if this is a machine that's on AC power? running at max freq all the time is going to build up unnecessary heat [20:07] desktop or laptop doesn't matter [20:08] the other reason is that this (regardless of whether you're installing or using slackware) ought to use less electricity (think green, think saving people on their power bills) [20:08] the only time that would matter is on a laptop, where ventillation is a problem [20:09] on a desktop, no one would give two shits [20:09] (unless they watch their CPU temp, like maybe overclockers, but can you overclock a cpufreq cpu? i dunno) [20:09] but again, assuming installation takes, say, 30 minutes, 30 minutes at max on a laptop isn't that bad [20:09] laptops are rather prevalent [20:09] agreed [20:10] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:10] i've seen one laptop where you couldn't get through scanning the hard drive for viruses (kapersky linux live cd thing) because there was no cpufreq support so the machine just baked until it pegged thermal protect and then rebooted) [20:10] but that was an old HP so i'm not suggesting it's the rule, rather the exception [20:11] laptops are important platforms, yes... but changing kernel settings which are deemed sensible only because it applies to edge cases on laptops is silly [20:11] in such cases i would think ondemand is a good default because you never know who's going to be installing slackware on what [20:12] if you're compiling your own kernel, then the defaults don't matter since you can change them :P [20:12] and if you were using kernel packages, you wouldn't know, nor care [20:12] regardless, when you step back and take a look at how the machine operates in userspace when installed versus ondemand, essentially cpufreq does no good with userspace as the default unless the user is running a daemon that they can specify their cpu speed with, whereas ondemand is intelligent and works without having to be told (isn't this why we program things? so that they work FOR us? 8-) [20:13] is the issue with the compilation of a kernel specifically to support laptops? [20:13] this is mostly my opinion on how laptop-friendly slackware is [20:13] Delahunt, the "default" doesn't mean anything with how rc.modules is set up [20:13] it's much better than ubuntu or xandros for sure, but still ... [20:13] i find it very "laptop-friendly" [20:13] slack's kernel boots to ondemand for me, just like I'd set myself [20:13] Cann0n, Delahunt was saying that defaults for generic-smp sucked for laptops [20:13] thrice`, rc.modules means nothing with how slackware is set up because it's still in userspace (which is how the kernel is set) when you first boot slackware [20:14] i didn't say sucked, just that we could make them better [20:14] and i'm saying, most people won't know or care how "optimized" they are, considering that the defaults picked are relatively sensible [20:14] again, slackware > xandros && ubuntu [20:14] I don't see your argument [20:14] my machine boots to ondemand [20:14] of, yeah for generic. huge isn't so bad. but in any case, i ALWAYS update my kernels periodically, so i end up fine tuning my kernel down for the machine [20:14] mine on first boot is still in userspace, regardless [20:15] which is silly because rc.modules tries to load acpi-cpufreq (last time i checked) [20:15] Cann0n, that was my point... if you compile your own kernel, you'd change it anyway [20:15] on all three laptops (toshiba satellite a55-s306, sony vaio vgn-c140g, asus eee pc 900a) [20:15] so having sensible, "un-optimized" defaults works for the majority of slackware users [20:15] Necos, Cann0n i see the kernel compile thing you are saying. i always change it to ondemand as a default lol [20:16] what is ondemand? a kernel setting? [20:16] the generic kernel is the recommended kernel on slackware, and it sets the best goernor for your cpu [20:16] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:16] i'm arfaid i'm a bit unexperienced with ondemand [20:16] I just had a kernel panic from mce, mcelog was running, but didn't log anything. Anyone know how I can read the output from these panics ? [20:16] on my first boot, i always use hugesmp to make sure i get everything supported, then scale down [20:17] ondemand is how manufacturers ship their windows laptops, that i've seen. it changes frequency on the fly as load increases [20:17] not the recommended way of doing things, but it's worked well for me [20:17] which means it sits at lowest frequency when no load, and jumps to max when load is at max, etc [20:17] well this is worth noting since some people use README_CRYPT.TXT 8-) [20:17] i sure wish i could program, i'd add stuff to setup so that you could just use setup to do the fully encrypted LUKS+LVM [20:17] hmmm [20:18] thrice`, userspace is the best? [20:18] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:18] the generic kernel sets your laptop to userspace? [20:18] on all three machines, yes, generic-smp [20:18] thrice` said that the rc.modules script loads the proper kernel modules, so the default in the kernel config doesn't matter [20:18] since all are using the "fully" encrypted LUKS+LVM2 [20:18] i'm talking first boot though, fwiw, of 13.0 and -Current (2.6.33) [20:19] and on successive boots? [20:19] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] hey Urchlay [20:19] i configure it after first boot so successive boots have the CPUFreq section of rc.modules totally deleted and substituted with loading acpi-cpufreq, cpufreq-ondemand, cpufreq-powersave, and cpufreq-performance [20:20] if i compile my own kernel, ondemand is default, otherwise rc.local sets ondemand [20:20] why? [20:20] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [20:20] because i can't stand it [20:20] have you ever tested to see if it corrects itself after the first boot? [20:20] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Oh, I'm curious. [20:20] Necos, after? once, but it didn't so i gave up [20:20] Why wouldn't rc.modules be run on boot? [20:21] nacl, read backlog :P [20:21] i admit i usually give up on rc.modules-whatever, moving -generic-smp-whatever to rc.modules (effectively instead of the symlink, i only have one rc.modules file) [20:21] i may comyile a kernel now [20:21] specify your CPU and disable Generic x86 if you do [20:21] Delahunt, i think you're complaining unneccesarily :P [20:21] yeah [20:21] quite possibly 8-P [20:22] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-244.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] my rc.modules isn't being run on boot [20:22] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:22] not so much complaining as feeling that rc.modules cpufreq section is unnecessarily un-elegant [20:22] because, rc.modules should be doing all that magic by itself (i'm on a desktop, so i never notice) [20:22] make sure its executable NaCl [20:22] chmod +x rc.modules [20:22] Action: NaCl knows what the problem is [20:23] ah ok [20:23] you can determine with ls -l [20:23] yes. [20:23] But it was running rc.modules-2.6.32.7 [20:23] ic. [20:23] Action: Delahunt is confused: usually rc.modules (the symlink and usually also what it points to) are both executable in his experience [20:23] rc.modules was pointing to rc.modules-2.6.32.3 [20:23] dang firefox on -current is fast. [20:24] I was just about to say it should become a sumlink, and I forgot it came with the dist [20:24] lol [20:24] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:24] NaCl, shouldn't matter - I think it loads rc.modules-`uname -r` first [20:24] yes. [20:24] Action: Delahunt thinks thrice` is right [20:24] welcome to the Thrice is Right! 8-) [20:24] That one didn't have the "load the module that makes the mobo's sensors work" [20:25] line [20:25] ah [20:25] i'm looking at the rc.modules on my box, and it looks pretty good to me :P [20:25] NaCl, um are your sensors non-SPI? [20:25] Action: Delahunt has to compile in SPI for his boxen [20:25] SPI? [20:25] No. [20:25] serial peripheral interface iirc hold on [20:25] I modprobe it87 [20:26] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:26] yep i was right [20:26] yet another thing about the generic smp that i would change: add SPI support [20:27] anywho, rc.modules loads everything properly Delahunt... i think you're crazy :) [20:27] the code logic is sound, rather [20:27] Yes, it works fine. [20:28] does anyone know if patrick is against adding features to the setup program? [20:28] i doubt he is... [20:28] Yeah, doubtful. [20:29] Action: NaCl retracts that [20:29] but, i don't think he's going to add thing willy-nilly either [20:29] Delahunt: define "features" [20:29] *things [20:30] in any case, i'm gonna head home... laters :) [20:30] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:30] NaCl, offering to make /tmp tmpfs [20:31] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: pew-pew[friggin lasers, mounted on Shark] [20:31] (for example) [20:31] Maybe. [20:31] Action: NaCl wouldn't know [20:31] this is some of the reason i wish i could program [20:31] Delahunt: I doubt he's against adding useful features, but they probably need to to be thought out, a need, preferable with code/patches etc [jut a gues] [20:31] i'm going to have to look at curses programming [20:31] Delahunt: don't [20:31] It uses dialog. [20:31] Good luck with that [20:31] why not just edit fstab before rebooting? [20:32] BP{k}, how does one find out of if there is a need? LQ threads with voting options? 8-) [20:32] tmpfs for /tmp is hardly useful for alot of people [20:32] Sadly, there is only a need if Pat has a need, it seems [20:33] nothing wrong with that, one person over a distro is smart. it makes slackware predictable, elegant, and stable imho [20:33] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:34] Delahunt: I agree - to a point. It also limits it somewhat. It's all a matter of tradeoffs [20:34] that's only because pat is involved. assuming that a single person makes something more predictable is not a safe bet [20:34] straterra, have you tried bad company 2 ? i tried the beta and hated it. friend bought it and loves it. [20:34] ananke, true [20:34] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: l8r [20:36] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [20:36] jeev: nope [20:37] blender_ (~Kaihan@adsl-76-195-2-57.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] jumperboy (~jumperboy@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] flrichar (~fredr@kkvm.geexology.org) joined ##slackware. [20:41] i went and lost the root password, running slack 13 [20:41] think anyone can direct me in the right direction? [20:41] will we help you root a box? no, gtfo [20:42] blender_, boot the installer, mount the root partition as /mnt, chroot to /mnt, then run "passwd" [20:42] if you have physical access to the device and it's yours, all security bets are off [20:42] i don't have the install disc anymore [20:42] i'm on the box now [20:42] do you have the USB installer? [20:42] (did you make a USB boot stick?) [20:42] i set it up for a friend and she lost the password [20:43] mmhm [20:43] are you logged in to the box AS root anywhere? [20:43] i don't have any installers for it [20:43] no [20:43] you're going to have to get one. sorry. [20:43] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] you could download cd #1 and burn it [20:43] helping someone get root access to a box that is not theirs is a bad idea [20:43] if they have physical access to the device, it's theirs now [20:43] so what? [20:43] i understand how bad it sounds [20:43] nothing they can't find on google anyways [20:44] but it's not like that [20:44] lol, whatever [20:44] so uh hi peeps. upgraded to latest slack64 -current ... having the nvidia issues. just recompile w/ no preempt should work eh? [20:44] Action: thrice` wanders off [20:44] pupiteee (~p@212.200.202.111) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:44] you can find how to hack luks on google, root ubuntu, root a mac, etc on google [20:44] why doesn't logging in through LILO work? [20:44] flrichar, should [20:44] blender_, you'd have to google how to do that [20:45] cool because that's what I'm doing ;) saw the fix in a forum [20:45] i know there's a "how to hack ubuntu GRUB" video on youtube but don't know about LILO [20:45] i have the closest i've got is [20:45] and people wonder why i use a BIOS password, LILO password, and fully encrypted hard drive 8-) [20:45] linux init=/bin/bash [20:45] then passwd [20:45] but it won't write he new password [20:45] try init=/bin/bash read-write [20:45] (sounds like the GRUB hack) [20:46] delt0r___ (~delt0r@80-123-54-158.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. 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[20:47] either way it's my fault 100% [20:47] imho people either care about security and either learn or do research, or they don't and you shouldn't waste your time on teaching them [20:47] but we're all human and forget stuff [20:48] if you have some pretty decently powerful servers, you know you're not gonna use the full potential with each machine, the smart thing would be to virtualize the server, right ? [20:48] delt0r_ (~delt0r@80-123-59-1.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:49] Delahunt (~robert@222-151-098-146.jp.fiberbit.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:49] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:50] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:50] thanks guys, going to give it a try now [20:50] evening [20:50] blender_ (~Kaihan@adsl-76-195-2-57.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:52] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:53] i think i'm ready to move back to kde, but i wanna go to the new 4.4 [20:54] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:56] are you on -current ? [20:56] yeah [20:56] do you know if anyone has built testing packages for it yet? [20:56] i saw that 4.3.5 was just pushed [20:56] yes, alienBOB does [20:57] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/kde-maintenance-4-4-1-is-out/ [20:57] sweet [20:58] thanks, thrice` [20:58] are you using it? [20:58] sure thing [20:58] yep :> [20:58] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.29.52) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:58] well [20:58] thoughts? [20:58] works quite well here, anyway [20:59] not a dramatic change over 4.3, but some nice stuff [20:59] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.127.163) joined ##slackware. [21:01] do you use kopete? i've always found it lackluster [21:01] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.49.182) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:02] I don't think it gets much attention [21:03] my xorg.conf no longer works on my eeepc 1000HE after the latest upgrade on current [21:03] jumperboy, please elaborate if you want help. "doesn't work" sucks :> [21:04] a lot of "Invalid module format" errors, followed by a "Fatal server error: no screens found" [21:04] which video card? [21:04] when i switch to xorg.conf-vesa, i can start X [21:04] mm, intel I guess? [21:04] why might you want to blacklist an application? [21:05] do we still use the X that requires an xorg.conf? [21:05] yeah, intel [21:05] jumperboy, ok, switch to the generic kernel :> [21:06] okay, will do [21:06] the huge has issues with drm it seems [21:07] generic requires an initrd, correct? [21:07] yep [21:08] check out /boot/README.initrd if you've not created one before [21:08] knoxville_: huh? [21:08] cmk_zzz (~martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:08] Action: cmk_zzz has had brain collaps [21:09] ananke nevermind I read the slackpkg and it answered my question [21:10] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [21:10] Is there a way to give a normal user permission to mount a ramfs to an arbitrary location? [21:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:12] blender_ (~blender_@adsl-76-195-2-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-244.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:13] worked like a charm [21:14] blender_ (~blender_@adsl-76-195-2-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:15] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Quit: 221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.2-dev [21:15] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [21:16] how do I add a user to the wheel group? [21:16] gpasswd -a wheel [21:16] ty thrice [21:17] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:21] sure [21:21] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:24] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:24] asarch (~asarch@189.188.142.241) joined ##slackware. [21:26] thrice`: thanks, switching to generic solved the problem [21:26] http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/frustrations/374d/ [21:27] jumperboy, cool; really not sure *why* huge fails, since i915 is compiled the same as in generic, but.. ;) [21:30] I have that shirt [21:30] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-211-76.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] thrice`: I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm beginning to suspect a bug in pkgtools. I built a skype package the other day, and it segfaulted every time... until I replaced it with the original binary, which worked fine. [21:30] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] =/ [21:33] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [21:33] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:37] better solution is to just remove it :> [21:38] There's no reason the file in the package should be different from the original file. [21:38] compression problems, perhaps ? [21:39] wow [21:39] (probably not :/ ) [21:39] That would be my suspicion. I'll try making a txz package to see if it changes anything. [21:39] heck, even gz :) [21:39] my ac adapter cord got caught on a dresser thing downstairs and my laptop went flying, hard disk fell out, everythings alright but damn. I have hardwood floors. [21:39] Fatalnix: wow ! [21:39] no damage to my thinkpad, of course. [21:40] wow [21:40] yeah I was like wtf [21:40] at least thinkpads are built well [21:40] sell your story to ibm for promos [21:40] yeah [21:40] haha [21:40] good ol T60 [21:41] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:43] jkwood: it's not a whole lotta work to just checksum all the files in each [21:43] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) joined ##slackware. [21:44] i had a sed and/or awk one-liner somewhere to get the filenames out of a /var/log/packages/ entry... [21:45] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [21:45] Hmm... the file that's getting installed has a different md5sum than the original. [21:46] flrichar (~fredr@kkvm.geexology.org) left irc: Quit: brb [21:46] gzipping the file directly doesn't affect it... [21:47] are you using a slackbuild? [21:47] Yep. [21:48] And.. xz doesn't change it. Interesting. [21:48] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:49] OH... I bet I know what's doing it. [21:49] stripping it? [21:49] Yep. [21:49] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:50] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:50] That explains it, then. strip is breaking it. [21:54] shadowx (~7350@singularity.darknetx.eu) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:55] shadowx (~7350@singularity.darknetx.eu) joined ##slackware. [21:57] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:58] cmk_zzz (~martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:59] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[22:07] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [22:07] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:08] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:08] why i can not ping a linux machine from windows by its hostname ? [22:09] i think you may need netbios for that. [22:09] how does windows know what the hostname is? [22:09] oxiredo_ro: how are you planning on having teh windows machine know the linux machine's hostname? [22:10] zaltekk, i do not understand..:( [22:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [22:11] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:11] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-211-76.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:11] when i start linux on that machine "it does ping by its hostname [22:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:11] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:12] so from linux, you can ping itself ? [22:12] root@linux# ping linux [22:12] and it responds ? [22:12] yes [22:12] that's because it'sr eading from /etc/hosts [22:12] if you want to be able to ping the linux machine from windows or the windows machine from linux, you're going to have to alter your hosts file on each computer and tell the system where it resolves to [22:12] it just doesn't work like the way you think it does [22:14] does firestarter do this ? [22:14] i dont know what that is. [22:15] so,from windows i wil use the numbers " 192.168.0.2" ? [22:15] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] what is the xterm option to enable different file types to be colorized [22:15] you can just ping the ip, yea [22:15] unless if your systems register hosts with dns and all that mumbo jumbo, or you edit your hosts.. [22:15] you'll have to just ping the ip [22:16] latemus: it isn't an xterm option [22:16] k,tnx jeev [22:16] latemus: you probably want LS_COLORS [22:17] in /etc/profile [22:17] thanks [22:17] mtkoan (~mtkoan@c-98-221-90-20.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] IIRC, profile.d/ [22:19] latemus: http://pastebin.com/f5QKe2cu is the default setting for LS_COLORS on 13.0 [22:19] latemus: alternatively, ~/.bashrc. alias ls="ls --color" [22:19] /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh [22:19] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.93.23) joined ##slackware. [22:19] yes [22:20] colori[sz]ed grep is nice too :) [22:20] I just learned the other day that grep can be colored. I should probably alias it [22:20] me too ! weird [22:21] --color=always (for grep and ls) and less -R to keep the colors in pipelines [22:21] how do i colorise grep? [22:21] grep --color=always [22:21] i don't have GREP_COLORS set either [22:22] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:22] trhodes: bah :) [22:22] Action: latemus drools at colorized grep [22:22] ew [22:22] export GREP_OPTIONS="--color=auto" ; export GREP_COLOR="1;33" [22:22] Action: latemus and pipelines [22:22] ahh cool :) [22:23] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] alias ls='ls --color' is sufficient.. don't need the auto [22:23] COLOR (singular) :) [22:23] sinaga (~root@124.195.18.1) joined ##slackware. [22:23] WEIRD [22:23] my termsdont show anything until I ctrlc [22:24] Assalamualaikum slackie [22:24] morning alll [22:24] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:24] nice, i didn't know that ls --color would do the right thing :) [22:24] same for grep, just tested [22:25] for some reason ls --color doesn't work for me in runlevel 4 [22:25] for what? [22:25] wor cool [22:25] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] AHA [22:25] haha [22:25] -bash: /usr/bin/emacs: Input/output error [22:25] Channel flood from Fatalnix -- kicking [22:25] :D [22:25] Fatalnix kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:26] ??? [22:26] Fatalnix (1001@robots.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) joined ##slackware. [22:26] brokedown: really? hrm. I've had it aliased like that for a few years [22:26] raela: why would you need to set ls --color? [22:26] BP{k}: so it colors when I do it :P I actually have mine aliased to --color -a [22:26] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:26] maybe LS_COLORS isn't sourced in runlevel 4 ? [22:27] "ls |grep --color=no -i y " does output color [22:27] two processes tho :P [22:27] err, set from whatever gets sourced [22:28] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-201.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [22:29] raela: heh. ls --color is already set in /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh .. if you run things as a login shell :D [22:29] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:30] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:31] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:31] hmm, none of these changes are applying ot xterm [22:31] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:31] oxiredo_ro: /bin/ls |grep --color=no -i y [22:31] BP{k}: huh, interesting. how long has that existed? :P [22:31] and GREP_OPTIONS="--color"; export GREP_COLOR="1;33" doesnt work in the vt's either [22:31] yep [22:32] oxiredo_ro: --color=no kills the color for me :/ [22:32] latemus: do you have xterm open with a login shell? [22:33] `which ls` |grep --color -i abc <-- niice [22:34] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:34] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:35] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:35] i saw somewhere that nano editor has colors (in a bash file) [22:35] how can i make nano with colors [22:35] vim is so much better :P [22:35] iyes [22:35] *yes [22:36] vim > * [22:36] ^ truth [22:36] can vim open a file without needing to read the whole thing in ? (ie, so it makes a better pager?) [22:36] please don't say, "vim has too many options i don't use" either. I hate hearing that. [22:36] for me gvim :( [22:36] that's the only reason I keep less around as a pager [22:36] gvim sucks [22:36] With some sort of arcane babbling, probably. [22:36] vim is boss [22:37] gvi is not vim with graphics? [22:37] once you learn vim, you will not use any other editor- [22:37] Don't look at me, my babblings are strictly non-arcane. [22:37] no, gvim is a frontend for vim [22:37] Action: jkwood babbles his way home [22:37] k [22:37] it launches a stupid gui for it, which is 100% useless [22:38] vim has colors [22:38] Not 100%. [22:38] k, 99% :P [22:38] I use the copy and paste parts of it pretty heavily. [22:38] that reminds me -- i can't drag vim windows in xfce terminal -- mouse drag events are messed up [22:38] for noobs it is now < -- me [22:38] for noobs it is not * < -- me [22:39] taking the time to learn vi is time well spent for lots of people, not everyone though [22:39] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:39] ? just learn how to use vim. it's super easy. :wq saves and quits, :q! quits without saving and i and Esc switch modes (insert and command) [22:40] Action: packeteer prefers :x [22:40] I've been trying to pick up more vim skills.. copy/pasting without needing the mouse and such [22:40] Action: SiegeX does too [22:40] or ctrl+[ for the homerow folks [22:40] need to tape what each key does to my keyboard or something [22:41] Action: trhodes has a bad habit of reaching for esc [22:41] alternatively, I just go into insert mode and highlight/paste [22:41] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] i got a cheetsheet pined up on my wall [22:41] raela: yeah, find a cheatsheet and print it out [22:41] Cann0n: do you know the command to switch to replace mode? my keyboard at work has no insert key [22:41] r [22:41] = replace [22:41] packeteer: the cheatsheet is currently sitting in my bookmarks :P [22:41] I use ctrl+c instead of ESC, its too far for my precious pinky [22:41] i found some text on web. i copy it question: how do i paste that in vim ? [22:41] Action: latemus <3's vim as well [22:41] asarch (~asarch@189.188.142.241) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:42] oxiredo_ro: press the shift key while you paste in insert mode [22:42] ahh thanks [22:42] oxiredo_ro: go into insert mode, highlight text in browser, middle click in vim [22:42] ooooohhh [22:42] oxiredo_ro: is you are using a mouse, it's the same as any other thing. middle click pastes the copy buffer [22:42] vim has highlighting for seriously obscure languages, too =] [22:42] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] yeah, makes configuring things easy [22:43] http://ajibzsmkn1.wordpress.com [22:43] raela, it does not work for me (the paste in wim ) [22:43] I love vim syntax hilighting.. kwrite does some (it does highlight where the corresponding parenthese/bracket is, which is nice) [22:43] kwrite... *pukes* [22:43] @raela why?? [22:43] oxiredo_ro: get out of insert mode, type :set mouse="psmouse", go back into insert mode, and try again [22:44] oh,nwm ; i got it [22:44] sinaga: why what, kwrite? [22:44] geany is pretty cool, but it's bloat [22:44] ty :) [22:44] btw - kwrite is -NOT- kword. very different things [22:44] kwrite is what kedit was [22:44] raela: yeah, but they both require kde's services in the bg [22:45] Cann0n: I use okular, too. no big deal if kde is hanging around [22:45] hence why it takes so long to load if you aren't using kde [22:45] ah [22:45] asarch (~asarch@189.188.142.241) joined ##slackware. [22:45] @cannon: are using kde? [22:45] @cannon: are u using kde? [22:46] sinaga: very large negative [22:46] anyone know what file to edit to enable mouse scroll wheel [22:46] xfce is as much bloat as i will use [22:46] latemus: in what context ? [22:46] latemus : mcedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [22:46] Cann0n: I could get other apps to avoid kde, probably, but I also like how easy it is to configure the window appearances for kde (so I have a dark kwrite) [22:47] mcedit, what? [22:47] mcedit sucks. too much bloat [22:47] wait nvm [22:47] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:47] Which governor sets the lowest cpu frequency? [22:47] so that??? [22:47] In other distros 'userspace' usually does [22:48] thinging of medit. yeah mcedit is nice but you can configure mc to use vim iirc [22:48] s/thinging/thinking [22:48] mcedit will be clearly for configuration [22:49] more lightly and easy to use [22:49] latemus: slack13 no longer uses xorg.conf though, I believe [22:49] ie, it's optional [22:49] you can use xorg.conf, it will work without it though [22:50] i don't even use mc anymore. [22:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:50] i never did grew fond of mc [22:51] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [22:51] trhodes: in fluxbox. [22:52] latemus: ok, so it is a question about X settings :) [22:52] oh boy. installing kde 4.4 now [22:52] O.o [22:52] "the social desktop" [22:53] lol [22:53] ahh isee. [22:53] yeah. so i'll make friends now [22:53] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [22:53] isn't nano much smaller than vim? [22:53] hence, nano [22:53] downloaded the ui update for steam on wine because how horrid it looks now. but now it loads up but i cant view it [22:53] its in my panel and i click [22:53] and it wont come up [22:53] latemus: small, yes, which is a bad thing. [22:54] just learn vim. "it's the thing to do" [22:54] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-52-190.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:54] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) left irc: Client Quit [22:54] heh [22:55] i use vim. curious about nano tho [22:55] try it out. i wont touch it [22:55] nano is a small pico [22:55] even nano's keybindings are weird [22:56] ohh. yeh, reminds me of pine [22:56] nano is easy, vim is fast [22:56] my brother always uses nano.. drives me nuts [22:56] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:56] hackedhead, so true [22:56] easy is purely user-defined. [22:57] i cant figur out how to set colors in vim. hmm bac kto the man page [22:57] i find vim easier than nano, because i've been using it forever [22:57] well, nano certainly is easier to master [22:57] Cann0n: it'd be that way for me now too [22:57] true that [22:57] Action: latemus agrees [22:58] trhodes: i suppose. not that 'mastering' it gives you much power. [22:58] haha yep :P [22:58] whereas with vim, i'm a mediocre user at best, and i can still fly compared to nano [22:58] latemus: load a color scheme or create your own - google vim color schemes [22:58] i put export VISUAL=/usr/bin/vim && export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim in my .bashrc [22:58] latemus: there are also lots available for download [22:58] i even have a silly vimpager wrapper for $PAGER [22:59] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] mine is export PAGER="less" [22:59] less > more [23:00] =] [23:00] :) [23:00] 'nite all. bedtime for me [23:00] nite [23:00] here too [23:01] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:01] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:02] LarsN2 (~lars@75-30-81-143.lightspeed.nbvlin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] Greyhound_ (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [23:03] what is another package management system similar to slackpkg? [23:03] I know the one I'm thinking of has an ncurses interface, and I believe builds from source for most packages. [23:03] sbopkg ? [23:03] that's the one [23:03] thanks trhodes [23:04] yw [23:04] *clap clap clap* [23:04] asarch (~asarch@189.188.142.241) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [23:06] asarch (~asarch@189.188.142.241) joined ##slackware. [23:06] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:07] Action: LarsN2 is coming back to slackware.... [23:07] no you're not [23:07] not if we can help it [23:07] after.... 12 years away :) [23:07] it happens [23:08] i can't ever leave slack [23:08] asarch (~asarch@189.188.142.241) left irc: Client Quit [23:08] I'm a pretty heavy FreeBSD user at work. Slack is a pretty good fit for the desktop. [23:09] :D [23:09] slack is good for everything imo [23:10] @Cannon: that's right [23:10] :D [23:11] there's a lot to like in slackware. [23:11] anyone have an ekiga.net account setup? [23:11] praise bob! [23:11] i'm getting into arch [23:11] haha [23:11] sinaga: this isn't twitter, you know. :P [23:11] I was an arch user for a while. [23:11] yeah? i like it so far [23:12] It's simple. [23:12] so far,, i'm fine [23:12] i like the minimalism [23:12] I'd run FreeBSD on the desktop if more of my hardware was supported. [23:12] Fedora was the last non-slack based distro i used. pure ca-ca [23:12] hhha.......... [23:13] i'd tinker with k/freeBSD... i like GNU stuff [23:14] all: visit please http://ajibzsmkn1.wordpress.com [23:14] :D [23:14] omg trhodes tried to touch my gnuoodle [23:14] not promotion but share [23:14] omg sinaga did too [23:14] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:15] haha [23:15] :D [23:16] sinaga: why? [23:17] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:17] fltx can't be 64bit? [23:18] hmm.. i see alot of that all day [23:18] looks nice [23:18] : D [23:19] m__ (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] nvm. i got it [23:20] 2.6.33 x86_64 [23:20] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! [23:21] ? [23:21] Linux bonsai 2.6.32.8 #9 SMP Thu Mar 4 22:15:51 EST 2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) Processor TF-20 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [23:21] Linux littlehammer 2.6.33 #3 SMP Sat Feb 27 19:42:32 CST 2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) Neo Processor MV-40 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [23:21] there's the -a [23:21] lol #9 [23:22] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:22] Linux bit 2.6.32-linode23 #1 SMP Sat Dec 5 16:04:55 UTC 2009 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [23:22] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-5.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:22] Nick change: m__ -> latemus [23:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:22] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:23] L5520, that's a socket 1333 isn't it? [23:23] i wish i wasn't on dial up... i want .33 [23:23] i7 based xeon [23:23] LarsN2: its cheating .. that's from my vps at Linode.com :) [23:23] BP{k}: heh [23:23] Action: LarsN2 won't cheat [23:23] one moment. [23:24] Absenth (~lars@75-30-81-143.lightspeed.nbvlin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] <---LarsN2-too [23:24] i should have cheated on my math test last week... [23:24] can a DVD-RW be used endless times? [23:24] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.31.12-174.2.22.fc12.x86_64 | Dual Quad Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5506 @ 2.13GHz 1600.000 MHz | Bogomips: 37542.08 | Mem: 11397/12100M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 1046.65G Free: 969.00G | Procs: 267 | Uptime: 1 day 2 mins 56 secs | Load: 0.00 0.00 0.00 | Vpenis: 738.8 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation GT200 [GeForce GTX 260] (rev a1) @ 3360x1050 (32 bpp) | eth1: In: 824.65M Out: 33.04M [23:24] whats tho point oy being in irc with two different nicks? [23:24] if I were at work, I'd cheat.. 2x xeon e5520's :P [23:24] Absenth (lars@75-30-81-143.lightspeed.nbvlin.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [23:24] Cann0n: you'd still gotten an F. [23:24] tsccof: not in my experience [23:25] the above is my desktop upstairs [23:25] fire|bird: yeah, but a 59 is better than a 42 :( [23:25] I'm on the netbook watching Burn Notice :) [23:25] i blame the fat kid that sat next to me at the study group. "you're doing it wrong! it's like this, i sware!" [23:25] that one is next to get slackware installed. [23:25] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [23:25] Linux naenia 2.6.29.6-smp #2 SMP Mon Aug 17 00:52:54 CDT 2009 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual-Core QL-60 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [23:26] raela: i'd be rocking the 64bit with that [23:26] Linux YYYY 2.6.33-XXX #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Feb 27 09:26:41 PST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [23:26] Cann0n: I used 64bit for a month.. that was all I could take before going back to 32 [23:27] AuthenticAMD vs. GenuineIntel? man, wtf :P [23:27] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:27] i r winnar [23:27] i used 64bit about the same amount of time. but i was using sourcemage and getting very frustrated at something forget what [23:27] u getz cheezburger..:D [23:27] antiwire: win what? D: [23:27] PAE is such a hack :( [23:27] i've only had issues with wine and a few other small ammounts of apps i wanted but would rarely use [23:28] sorry,couldn't resist...:P [23:28] Cann0n: I know stepmania was a big problem, and I had lots of trouble with flash in firefox [23:29] raela: running the 64bit beta of flash10 or ndiswrapper [23:29] raela: i didn't :P [23:29] spiko (~spiko@89-212-125-237.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Quit: aajd [23:29] I've found the 64bit beta to suck only slightly more than firefox sucks on every other platform. [23:30] LarsN2: oh trust me.. I tried. I f'ing tried. I finally got it working in a horrible broke way until a website froze firefox.. after I killed it, it didn't work again [23:31] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Changing host [23:31] SkyTV (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [23:32] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:34] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:34] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:35] no problems here with flash on 64bit :D [23:35] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:36] same [23:36] on everything but crapbuntu which doesn't count considering how much that distro sucks [23:37] 64bit flash has always worked for me. flash is really slow of course. even slower than on windows. but it works [23:37] zzzzzzzz [23:38] powtrix- (~powtrix@189-69-17-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-5.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:38] Nick change: powtrix- -> powtrix [23:38] it was a bad experience.. one I don't wish to repeat [23:38] Does anybody here know how to get "man" to act like it honors $COLUMNS in commands like this: " man screen | less -p 'hardstatus\ \[' " [23:39] or at least what it is that sets the width to 80 chars... ? [23:41] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-201.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:41] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:41] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [23:41] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [23:43] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:45] still had to take my laptop apart to fix an issue I've had for the longest time [23:45] battery should last longer too now :D [23:45] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Nighty Clit-tighty! [23:45] there were two wires that have been resiting against the cpu fan, wen the laptop fell and all they moved so that they were actually lying on top of it. [23:46] so it was very loud and annoying [23:46] :) I can't even hear the fan at all now [23:46] I hope my new t410 can take a fall like that and still work [23:46] doesn't seem as well built as my older thinkpads [23:47] t410 or t40? [23:47] t410 [23:47] all hail the great lenovo.... [23:47] lol [23:47] ruiner of the thinkpad. [23:47] I just got it about a month ago [23:47] mine is a hybrid [23:47] was the last ibm laptop [23:47] it really smokes, core i7 [23:47] heh, t60 has the lenovo logo. [23:47] t61* sorry [23:48] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:49] ibm had a great tradition of over engineering their hardware, it was disappointing when they sold out to lenovo [23:51] I think lenovo ws created by IBM [23:52] ill have to look it upo [23:52] up* [23:53] I know that IBM and Lenovo are alliances. [23:53] IBM basicly gave lenovo charge of IBM's Personal computer industry. [23:54] IBM sold out their pc and laptop division to lenovo over 3 years ago [23:54] they didn't give it [23:54] it was really expensive [23:54] IBM is an America corp, lenovo is Chinese [23:55] ah I see. I know that they are alliances though [23:55] there is still some support provided by IBM for certain lenovo products [23:55] that much I can remember. oh well, I got a t60 for the ibm logo and the NON widescreen display. [23:56] cant stand that frigging widescreen, as a programmer and on a business laptop it just doesn't make sense. [23:56] 14" t60 with non-widescreen was great machine [23:56] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:56] I have a 14.1 I believe, yeah. My r40 was 15.4 [23:57] It think the perfect setup is one widescreen monitor on the left in landscape. and another on the right in portrait. [23:57] or reverse them as necessary for your personal workflow. [23:57] :) [23:58] my new thinkpad has a widescreen, but the thing is a monster with an i7 and ssd [23:58] ic. [23:59] ssd is my next purchase [23:59] I dont need a lot. I find my dual 1.8 ghz great for compiling, my desktop is still faster for single tasks though [23:59] my desktop is single core 3 ghz. [23:59] going to throw a 32gb SSD in this 11.6" toshiba satellite. [23:59] and there are a number of things I notice which are much faster with it [00:00] --- Fri Mar 5 2010