[00:00] yes, hrm [00:00] Action: bhodgins pokes toastytoast to see if hes there [00:00] thats you're [00:00] not bhgupi or w/e the frig I wroye [00:00] damn it i am tired [00:01] Hrm, it seems that I already figured it out. Apparently I did that last night :/ [00:01] heh [00:01] I just checked my github place, and it has the branch up to date :/ [00:01] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: "OOH" [00:02] I have no idea how I did that. I don't remember anything past a certain beer, I suppose. The last thing I remember is not being able to get the remote right. [00:02] 'lol [00:03] I just might be going loco. I've found several things lately that I remember doing but apparently didn't, and now it's the other way around. [00:03] its okay [00:03] I talk in my sleep [00:03] constantly [00:03] rworkman: I know fred knows git pretty well (IIRC), but he's probably still asleep at this time [00:03] bhodgins: do you answer yourself in your sleep too? [00:04] git://github.com/rworkman/mit-rw.git <-- that seems right, I guess. [00:04] I suppose [00:04] No [00:04] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@143.77.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:04] I answer myself ewhen I'm awake [00:04] firebird619: btw, doing well :) thanks for asking [00:04] and ask questions in my sleep [00:04] he also does it in his sleep [00:04] rworkman: :) [00:04] he does sleep talk [00:04] Do not! [00:04] BP{k}: yeah, I've been meaning to catch fred, but I'm never on lately when he is [00:04] do too redbeard will prolly agree w/ me on it [00:04] how woukd you know? [00:05] a few yrs back i was over at your house for a party or somethign you fell asleep i was playing helo [00:05] i heard you talk [00:05] while you were sleeping [00:05] OH YEAH [00:05] I think I woke myself up [00:05] talking [00:05] lol [00:05] Well, maybe not. warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. [00:05] you were still playing vg's, halo or someything [00:06] didnt I make a squeaky noice? [00:06] I'll catch kay or jon on tomorrow and we'll work it out. [00:06] noise* [00:07] meeting next monday butter face. [00:07] better be there [00:08] is it [00:08] i'll try [00:08] wait, tomorrow maybe sec [00:08] got an email [00:08] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "the more beers i try the more i realize i drank the original for a reason" [00:08] last meeting of year prob [00:08] i work until 3:00 and i'm not sure if i can get a ride home after the meeting [00:08] but i can try [00:08] 5-7 at utc [00:09] frigging right, get a freelancer released some api to grab data from the website [00:10] i just had the best honeydew ever [00:10] BP{k}: I think I'm going to kill that branch, but hang in there :) [00:10] damn that was delicious [00:10] no I do not care about having 5 new matches on facebook. (goes through junk email) [00:12] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@161.184.42.80) joined ##slackware. [00:12] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-181-176.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:16] silly toast. vb is for kids. [00:16] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [00:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:17] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-181-176.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] sweet [00:18] a girl who uses Slackware [00:19] right? [00:19] lol [00:20] My sisters name is Eric [00:20] Erin* [00:20] heh [00:20] i wish it was an appropriate channel to say "pics or not true" [00:20] hahaha [00:21] bhodgins, you mean that 6'4" big burly guy waiting outside? [00:21] thats your sister? [00:21] LMAO [00:21] lol [00:21] haha [00:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:21] no my sis is turning 8 [00:21] Action: jeev changes subject [00:22] jeev: change subject to what? you didn't specify? :P [00:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:22] nvidia sata controllers. [00:22] what the hell is a 21 year old going to do at a 8 year old sisters birthday party? [00:22] OOH! [00:22] ugly. [00:22] nVidia nForce CK804 SATA300 controller [00:22] any experience? [00:22] nope. [00:22] jeev: no, not me anyway. [00:22] :< [00:23] bsd is pmsing, i'll try linux, since it's a penguincomputing server. [00:23] bhodgins, do you really want to know? [00:23] bhodgins: you dont ask and he doesn't tell... [00:23] quite a bit off-topic, but, freebsd 7.2 was released today. downloading it now. going to give it a try in the next day or two.. [00:26] Man... what is happening to linux distributions [00:26] eh? [00:27] hitest: well I think you are on to something [00:27] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@162.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Slackware is getting better. all the rest are becomming junk. [00:27] I just don't understand why every distribution must reinvent the wheel [00:27] SLS still owns. [00:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:27] slackware behaves as I want it to [00:28] Hm? [00:28] cmk_zzz: I do prefer slackware, but, the BSDs are fun to use as well:) [00:28] haha, you have to yteach ubuntu to behave itself or it breeds like mice. [00:30] yes, ubuntu escaped my house long ago and I think it is in phase 5 of WHO pandemic scale by now [00:30] well, SLS wasnt really a distribution... as much as theact of unzipping files to floppy dislks [00:30] disks* [00:30] :O qt4's been building for like 3 hours now. :( [00:31] firebird619: wmii buils for about 30 seconds and it is much more productive too! [00:32] How is anyone using redhat or suse or ubuntu ever going to learn linux? It'll go the same way as windows. I tell you [00:32] linux is only a kernel.. [00:33] yep [00:33] with any distro, you learn that distro.. [00:33] slackware included [00:34] indeed, but there are some tools that are more used than others. For example init. Basically two flavours. But then they write wrappers around it to make it distribution like. Ip tables. There is only one way to configure it. But then they write distribution specific wrappers for it. The list goes on [00:34] I remember straterra. I used to take straterra [00:34] you dont learn slackware. it comes to you in a dream [00:36] In the end most linux distributions have the same underlying software. They only thing that differs is they way to configure it, and where they files reside etc. Why don't just leave it as it is. That would give you a solid base for any linux distribution [00:37] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:37] all the major distros except Slack patch the hell out of the kernel and most apps [00:37] Action: Motoko-chan is using Mandriva right now [00:37] I hate it when distro's take over too much. This is probably the most to the point and on topic statement I have tonight, as I am a bit out of it (you can tell). The thing that makes slackware so comfortable is that it has the aids of some things to get you up and running, as well as scripts that ise dialog to help you configure parts of it, while making it very easy to do everything by hand. I hate many distros becaus [00:38] if you're running red hat, you really can't honestly say you're running Linux (the most you can say is "a Linux-based kernel") [00:38] linux was angry because they didnt make it an rh-linux tagged kernel [00:38] if I recall [00:38] torvalds was? [00:39] thats what I read in his book [00:39] he stated I think that redhat should make their kernel be for example, rh-linux-2.6.27.7 [00:39] hrr, he went through a period of running redhat for his desktop, he still doing that? [00:40] i think he uses fedora atm [00:40] Urchlay: he's still using Fedora the last I heard. [00:40] and gnome [00:40] omg jaunty (ubuntu) disabled ctrl alt backspace because people were hitting it by accidenyt [00:40] bhodgins: seriously? [00:40] lol [00:40] if you hit ctrl alt backspace by accident you're messed up. [00:40] ha-ha [00:40] no you are not;) [00:41] yes I used jaunty beta on this laptop for a bit [00:41] Well, it is Ubuntu, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. :D [00:41] ok, You can not prove to me that you can hit that three key combination by accident, which in fact, is on opposite ends of teh keyboards in both horrixontal and vertical scope [00:41] ubuntu doesn't recover cleanly from ctrl-alt-backspace, I found out [00:42] Urchlay: why is that? gdm problems? [00:42] ubuntu said that if you want to enable it, you have to put a line in xorg.conf [00:42] bhodgins: It be hard to *accidently* hit those keys all at once. [00:42] its not ubuntu, its gdm [00:42] s/It/It'd [00:42] some daemon or another that's part of its default X session, doesn't die when it should... then the X server tries to start back up, and gets hung waiting for the daemon to start (which it can't because an old instance is still running) [00:42] you end up at a solid black desktop with no window manager [00:42] gdm is stupid. unlike slim or w/e it was which stops after the seccond [00:43] haha [00:43] I never had a problem with ctrl alt backspace [00:43] well, anything X-related should *die* when the X server goes away, is my take on it [00:43] yeah, unfortunately gdm connects to x11 but runs in cli [00:43] I think it's actually a new behavior in xorg [00:43] bhodgins, well I am using slim and it sometimes have problem with ctr alt backspace. It just doesn't respawn, I must actually kill it to get it going again [00:44] bhodgins: well I don't even recall what version of ubuntu this was, something somebody installed for somebody else, then I was trying to fix the X refresh rate because he kept getting headaches from the flicker... [00:44] toast was telling me is all [00:44] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) joined ##slackware. [00:44] "Default behaviour for now disables Ctrl+Alt+backspace shortcut to restart X server. This behaviour can be reverted to the old default by adding 'Option "DontZap" "false"' to the Section '"ServerFlags"' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf . " [00:44] From http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.1_Notes#X.org_7.4 [00:44] I can see screen refreshes [00:44] not on lcd's though [00:44] but most crts' [00:45] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:46] my cousins having a lot of trouble with ubuntu, she just switched from vista, and shes reccommending it to her father. [00:46] >.> [00:47] Mandriva. [00:47] It's a lot nicer, I've found. [00:47] Motoko-chan: so, they didn't just change the default xorg.conf to include DontZap = true, they actually patched the X server so that's the default? I hate crap like that... [00:47] URPMI actually makes RPM usable. [00:47] did I get that right? She switch from vista to ubuntu. Now she is having problems with ubuntu but she still recommends it to her father? [00:47] Prevents me from throwing the computer in frustration [00:47] how good is centos? I'm trying to find something for my couz to settle down with [00:48] Urchlay, it seems to be an upstream change. [00:48] CentOS tends to get old. [00:48] Simply because it's aimed at corporations that can't have big changes for years. [00:48] hba (n=hba@189.188.200.135) left irc: "leaving" [00:48] I really dont care its just shes like omg i need help! help me write perl scripts! how do I made my wallpaper change on my ubuntu desktop with perl!? [00:48] Motoko-chan: in that case, I still think it's lame, but I guess not as lame... [00:48] yup, centos is for server os. Go with fedora or ubuntu or any other "crashing edge" for desktop [00:48] Action: bhodgins doesnt get headaches, he just gets angered by it [00:49] I really really recommend Mandriva. [00:49] I've never had good luck with Ubuntu. [00:49] I do get headaches from CRTs with slow refresh [00:49] And some of their releases in the past have been buggy as all heck. [00:49] writing perl is easy. Just eat some alphanbeth cerials and sneeze and voila! A functioning perl script [00:49] Fedora bleeds too often for my liking. [00:49] Plus I like KDE over GNOME. [00:50] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [00:50] ugh, I remember mandrake 8. It was like windows 95 all over again... am sure modern mandriva is better than *that* [00:50] i have kde4 + fedora setup for my wife. Works pretty well [00:50] Urchlay, it is. [00:50] Action: Motoko-chan is using it right now. [00:50] arent you sleeping right now? [00:50] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-67-127-56-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [00:50] yah, and you've been in this IRC channel for more than 5 minutes, so your Mandriva must be better than Mandrake 8 was :) [00:51] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon123805.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Heh [00:51] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-181-176.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:51] THey had plenty of oddities back then [00:51] There would be an awesome release. [00:51] Then the next one would be nothing but trouble. [00:52] night all:) [00:52] They've really improved QA since then and also are much more consistent. [00:53] night hitest [00:53] night firebird619 [00:53] mandrake 5.3 was such crap, I never got interested in any of the later ones... and then someone asked for help with his flaky mandrake 8 box, and the best help I could give him was "install *any* other Linux distro" [00:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [00:53] Urchlay, http://lwn.net/Articles/327141/ and http://who-t.blogspot.com/2009/04/zapping-server.html [00:53] Regarding cab [00:53] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [00:54] mdk 5.3 I guess was the Gentoo of its time, it exported a bunch of CFLAGS="-O99 -fextra-rice" stuff in the environment by default [00:54] elilo (n=elilo@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:54] hello [00:54] driver vesa support resolution 1650x1050 ?? [00:54] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:55] elilo: don't know for sure, but bloody unlikely... [00:55] elilo: not 1 year ago [00:55] extra-rice? More like bad-rice. [00:55] BP{k}: well, the tree is pullable now, and it builds. git://github.com/rworkman/module-init-tools.git [00:55] amunra__ (i=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:55] intel video cards. [00:56] Thurin1 (i=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:56] the dell toastytoast gave me, the intel video card doesnt support vesa or vga. [00:56] but it has a vga connector, [00:56] wtf [00:56] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [00:56] idk. its stupid [00:56] bhodgins: not register-level compatible with VGA cards, and lacks VESA-compatible BIOS... nothing to do with the connector. [00:56] oh ok [00:57] I know. But I just think its stupid [00:57] why lack that important stuff? [00:57] its essential in older hardware [00:57] it probably implements the bare minimum VGA card emulation needed to get past the BIOS POST screen, and assumes the user's going to run a GUI OS the rest of the time [00:58] it's to save Intel half a cent per chip, or something. All hail the glorious god Profit! [01:03] What kind of chip? [01:03] Action: toastytoast dropkicks ##vb.net [01:03] wow [01:04] if i didn't have a class on it i wouldn't even bother [01:05] Motoko-chan: the video controller or whatever it's called, inside a video card [01:05] toastytoast: always know your enemy [01:06] lol [01:06] thats what my friedns aid when i asked him why he was reding the bible [01:06] friend said* [01:06] "keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer"? --michael corleone [01:07] oh man, I haven't seen any of the Godfather movies in forever... [01:07] Urchlay: no offense, but I don't think they were even made back then [01:08] what weren't? godfather movies weren't even made back when I saw them? well damn, I shoulda videotaped 'em in that case... [01:09] well, forever is a long time [01:09] cmk_zzz: not a native speaker? hyperbolic statements aren't meant to be taken literally. your free lesson for today. :P [01:09] yeah, cause I'm literally an eternal being who last saw the Godfather movie before time began, obviously that's what I meant... [01:10] (I mean, I wish, but no...) [01:10] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon123805.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware. [01:10] "In the beginning there was Urchlay..." [01:11] (Fiat Linux!) [01:11] antler: well, i just wanted to be funny, but i failed again. Noone will ever like me [01:11] eh, nah, I like you fine [01:11] not your fault if I don't get your jokes [01:11] but you are too old to like me! [01:11] heh [01:12] I'm too old to like me, too [01:13] I don't have to apparently... my dog likes me enough for both of us. [01:13] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [01:13] heh i don't think it's possible to dislike oneself [01:14] fireking (n=STRESSAD@200.175.150.142.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [01:15] well, enough with this suse for today. I thought they were slackware based once upon a time. Not many traces of that left [01:16] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:16] PHughes (n=Stazer@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:17] I swear this damn dog is trying to live only on dog treats and leftover people-food [01:17] Action: antler slashes Camarade_Tux in the shins with a hockey stick [01:17] :p [01:17] no matter how many times I remind him how bad he hates 4-alarm chili, he keeps trying to get at my bowl of it... [01:17] antler, no need today, I slept so badly ='( [01:18] cmk_zzz: I think they were all slackware at one time [01:18] anyone remember Yggdrasil Linux? [01:18] Camarade_Tux: if you didn't wake up to find yourself transformed into a giant vermin, you're still okay. [01:19] Urchlay: no, but i remember degrassi junior high. does that count? [01:19] or was it degrassi high... [01:19] well, enought work for today. I am off [01:19] antler, I'm really considering going back to bed =/ [01:19] Urchlay, I can't remember that distro, I was too young ;) [01:20] "On 8 December 1992 the first alpha release was made, named as Yggdrasil GNU/Linux/X (LGX),[1] and described by its creators as "a bootable Linux/GNU/X-based UNIX(R) clone for PC compatibles".[5] Yggdrasil's alpha release contained the 0.98.1 version of the Linux kernel, the v11r5 version of the X Window System supporting up to 1024x768 with 256 colours ..." [01:21] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:21] it was basically dead when I started (their last release was '95, the same year as my first forays into Linux-dom) [01:21] antler, sounds like Sepultura is going to help me wake up :) [01:22] Camarade_Tux: can't you afford to lie around in bed? [01:23] Sepultura, music to wake the undead... [01:26] i wish i had a jay right about now. i need a muse to finish an essay. [01:26] antler, no ='( [01:26] Urchlay, and probably the neighbours ;) [01:26] now I'm awake but I'm lazy and don't want to go =/ [01:27] Action: antler wonders whether starting the essay with "it was the best of times and the worst of times" would be considered plagiarism [01:29] Camarade_Tux: work or school today? [01:31] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [01:31] oh cool. freebsd 7.2 came out... always wanted to try it out... sounds difficult, though [01:31] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:32] Hi antler, how's it going? I just downloaded freebsd to try out in a vm. :) [01:33] oh hey firebird619 . i'm good. how are you? yeah, i might do just that: freebsd in a vm. :) [01:34] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [01:34] antler: doing very well, thank you. I had freebsd in a vm a few years ago, it seemed really nice. [01:35] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:35] VBox, replace Big Brown (Ubuntu) with FreeBSD. :D That sounds good to me. [01:35] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:35] firebird619: are you installing atm? [01:36] antler: I will be installing freebsd in a few minutes, yeah. [01:36] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-153-159.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] good grief I have alot of vm's. The one taking the most space is Windows 7 Beta. :D [01:37] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-71-241-211-201.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:37] if I were gonna run a BSD, it'd probly be NetBSD... always liked it for some reason [01:37] Zozma (n=Winter@d5-192.rb2.gh.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] firebird619: gee, big surprise there :) [01:37] antler, school [01:37] lol, yeah, isn't it though. :) [01:37] i've always thought of freebsd as the godfather of bsds :D [01:37] antler: same here, don't know why though, I just have. [01:37] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:38] antler, sounds like freebsd, netbsd and openbsd decided to release the same week ;p [01:38] Action: Camarade_Tux has partitions free for net and free [01:38] Camarade_Tux: not open?! expect a letter from theo. [01:38] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [01:38] his attitude is so annoying... [01:38] s/attitude/behaviour/ [01:39] he's right but unbearable [01:39] heh most guys that smart are annoying... haha [01:39] firebird619: yeah, me too. i think it's the devil dude holding the pitchfork [01:39] :D [01:40] the fridge was off, not cold milk ! ='( [01:40] antler: haha, that could be it. [01:40] antler, oh, that explains why people can't stand me ='( [01:40] Camarade_Tux: oh no, man. you're a real people person :P [01:41] xP [01:41] actually I think NetBSD is the oldest surviving branch of the old 4.4 BSD-Lite family [01:42] (try to do "xP" with your face btw) [01:42] Camarade_Tux: ow! Hey, now I have a headache, thanks... [01:42] elilo (n=elilo@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [01:42] afaik netbsd seemed stalled for a few years [01:42] Urchlay, did you have time to take a picture ? [01:42] you mean the "BSD is dying" stuff? [01:42] Camarade_Tux: I don't have a camera to take a picture [01:42] Urchlay, no, only for netbsd [01:43] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:43] Urchlay, now you know they should be completely useless if we weren't doing stupid things :) [01:44] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:44] today, I will be on time at school ! [01:45] firebird619: hey if you remember, let me know whether or not you have to manually set up the network when freebsd is a vm. [01:45] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:46] I dunn if what I'm doing right now counts as "stupid" but it might qualify as "pointless" or "even more nerdish than usual"... [01:46] compiling a fortune file full of quotes from the Watchmen comic books [01:46] Zozma (n=Winter@d5-192.rb2.gh.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:47] Urchlay: i'd use it if you did family guy instead of .... :P [01:47] heh. Lot of Family Guy jokes are too visual for fortune anyway [01:47] antler: Ok, will do. [01:47] anyway I seem to be in a dark and foreboding kind of mood, so Watchmen fits it perfectly [01:48] "would you shave my coin purse" doesn't need visuals :P [01:48] true [01:48] hehe you're right, though [01:49] firebird619: :) [01:49] Camarade_Tux: if it's calculus today, then skip. [01:49] electronics [01:49] I'm gonna be late actually. ;p [01:50] man the french... always trying to be fashionably late [01:50] :D [01:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:54] n3ro (n=Johnny@guest-wireless-nup-198-147-122-028.usc.edu) left ##slackware. [01:55] :( I started vbox and got the run /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup message, which I did, and I got this: (Cannot change owner vboxusers for device /dev/vboxdrv) [01:55] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [01:57] Any ideas how I can fix the above issue? [01:58] firebird619: i didn't kow that newer versions of vbox required that [01:58] oh nm. misread [01:58] :D [01:59] Zozma (n=Winter@72-160-219-76.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Hmm, I think I might know what it is, but not sure. [02:00] shot in the dark: have you tried modprobing it? [02:00] antler: If I change something in /etc/passwd, is a logout and login required to take affect? [02:00] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:00] if you're building it from the SBo script, read the README [02:00] Urchlay: No, closed-source from virtualbox.org [02:00] ah [02:00] firebird619: i think so [02:00] It's worked before. [02:00] greetings and gmorning [02:01] antler: Ok, I've got an idea. brb. [02:01] Greetings The-Croupier. How are you? [02:01] firebird619, im good thank you, yourself? [02:01] doing very well, working on a vbox issue, so I'll brb. [02:01] hi The-Croupier [02:01] hiya antler, ;) [02:02] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [02:02] antler, is that a genreral vbox issue firebird619 is working on..or just something of his? [02:03] The-Croupier: it used to work, now it doesn't; so i'm thinking it's not a general issue [02:03] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:03] :( [02:03] Well, that didn't work. [02:04] firebird619: the module is not loaded? [02:04] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Oh, wait, I have to run the vboxdrv setup thing again after I made that change. [02:05] ARG, same message. :( [02:07] antler: I'm not sure. The /dev/vboxdrv it says in the error message doesn't exist even. [02:07] firebird619: if it's not, try modprobing it. can't hurt... :D [02:08] I would, but I've come upon a mental blank, what's the name of the module. :( [02:09] #modprobe vboxdrv [02:09] I knew it'd be something simple. :P [02:09] firebird619: and then lsmod |grep vboxdrv [02:10] antler: yup, it's listed with lsmod now, wasn't before. [02:10] k, try starting vbox [02:10] YAY [02:10] :D [02:11] Why do you think the module wasn't loaded? [02:11] strange, though. why would vboxdrv not load when it did in the past [02:12] firebird619: i'm not sure why i thought that. it was just something i would check [02:13] Well good thinking. :) [02:14] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@162.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:14] Action: firebird619 hands antler the "Good Thinking" Award. [02:14] heheh firebird619 : are you about to install? [02:15] yeah, at the partitions stage right now. Do you think, for now anyway, it's defaults are good? [02:15] amine_ (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [02:15] mikkaa (n=mikkaa@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Hmm, / 512 MB, /var 1363 MB, /tmp 512 MB, /usr 32773 MB. [02:16] those are defaults. [02:16] firebird619: i think that because it's a vm, those settings don't matter much; so, yeah, defaults are fine (imo) [02:16] credo (n=36chambe@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:16] credo (n=36chambe@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [02:16] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:16] A_666_A (n=sidmario@201-92-114-206.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:16] k, I'll use them then. Can always go back and change it/reinstall it. [02:17] firebird619: when you installed vbox it should have made an rc.vboxdrv, and rc.vboxnet, and the lines in rc.local to start both. [02:17] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:18] Action: The-Croupier is bored [02:18] chopp: I used the closed-source, and it created rc.vboxdrv, I didn't add anything or do anything with those files or rc.local, and it's always worked up until tonight. [02:18] chopp: but yes, I see what you mean. [02:18] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:19] hmm dunno then [02:20] Hmm, I'm at Choose Distributions in FreeBSD, I chose all and hit ok, then it asks if I want to include the ports collection, I say yes, and it brings be back to Choose Distributions. :P [02:21] Hmm, now it took, on to next step. :) [02:21] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] antler: It's installing now. :) [02:21] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [02:22] hm, that's Clippy-like behaviour? "Are you sure you want to..."? [02:22] (I kid, I kid... freebsd's installer is about as un-Clippy-like as you get...) [02:22] firebird619: cool [02:23] antler: also, I'm using the dvd iso. [02:23] antler: DVD, 2 GB in 20 minutes. :) [02:23] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-114-206.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:23] Thurin1 (i=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [02:24] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-221-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] firebird619: yeah, that mirror was fast for me. i was getting close to 1mb/sec [02:24] yes, very fast. [02:26] I like installers like this FreeBSD's one and like Slackwares, no GUI fancy-pants installer, just a bare, plain installer. [02:26] heh they gzipped it, though, just to save 300mb [02:27] antler: heh, yeah, they did. They've done that for a while with the dvd I think. [02:28] Im currently compiling a custom kernel under slackware, and I have a few questions: where r all the obj files of the build located? When system modules r compiled does that mean that the original module files get overwritten? [02:28] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-247-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:28] umislack (i=1000@58.64.93.234) joined ##slackware. [02:29] the one time I ever installed gentoo, it didn't even have an installer. You just untar the base system onto a partition... but that's been a while, I dunno if new versions are still like that. [02:29] mikkaa, new kernel creates new folder with name of that kernel.. they do not get overritten unless you choose to [02:29] check /usr/src/ [02:29] mikkaa: If the kerenl versions match and you do it incorrectly it will overwrite the stock modules [02:29] kernel* [02:30] mikkaa, kernel modules are in /lib/modules/ [02:30] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89B10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:30] well, I just customized the kernel i already have, no new folders were created since no new 'src' files were downloaded [02:30] razel_ (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:31] mikkaa, most probably they will get overwritten ;) since its the same thing. [02:31] hmm. so there was no need to compile the modules really, since it was the kernel that gpt modified. no? [02:31] got* [02:32] mikkaa: you need to set your own CONFIG_LOCALVERSION to prevent over writing the stock modules if your kernel versions match and you used the stock configs [02:32] but if you dont apply any patches, its the same modules [02:32] morning [02:32] http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2009-05-04.gif [02:32] fun! [02:32] slackytude, greetings [02:32] y0 The-Croupier [02:32] how ya doin? [02:33] y0 slackytude. How's it going? [02:33] antiwire: Ive heard many people argue against patches, Im leaning towards that actually [02:33] greeting firebird619. all fine here, even tho its monday morning. how are you today? [02:33] firebird619: doh! i grabbed 7.2-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso.gz, but slackware's the host. [02:34] mikkaa: i didn't mention anything about patches [02:34] Action: antler forfeits his "good thinking" award from firebird619 [02:34] slackytude: doing very well, thanks. [02:34] oh sorry, wrong person [02:34] antler: haha, you only had the award how long? :P [02:34] mikkaa: but i did mention LOCALVERSION, which is a good habit to get into if you recompile a kernel [02:34] slackytude, im good yourself? hows monday going so far for you [02:35] mikkaa: you keep all your work out of the stock files that way [02:35] antiwire: could u elaborate more [02:35] mikkaa: in turn, that provides a way to keep the stock modules and kernel in place as a fall back [02:35] and if something goes wrong..you can go back to the stock files and redo the process [02:35] The-Croupier, great for a monday. didnt oversleep, nor is the impulse to kill other people very high [02:35] and Im still on my first coffee [02:35] slackytude, that is not yet [02:36] brb [02:36] slackytude, yeah same here..first coffee, first class,very few people in [02:36] firebird619: hahah [02:37] The-Croupier is now known as sack-of-hammers [02:37] The-Croupier, right, not yet [02:38] sack-of-hammers? I feel bad for the one with the name sack-of-nails. :P [02:38] antler: Oh well, you can't think good all the time. [02:38] mikkaa: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13271 [02:39] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:40] firebird619: i knew there was a reason i didn't do the vm thing... i downloaded it to try on an empty partition [02:40] chopp, ?! sack-of-what?!!! [02:41] antler: :P. Now I for sure am revoking your good thinking award. you fail. :P [02:42] Your thinking has left the building. [02:42] :( [02:42] antler: You can earn it back with hard work and a good thinking brain. :) [02:42] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:42] It may take time, how much is the award worth to you? [02:43] heh not a whole helluva lot :P [02:43] haha [02:43] Action: firebird619 tears up antler's good thinking award. [02:43] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [02:45] firebird619, is bird your relative? [02:45] naw [02:45] heh, not that I'm aware of. :) [02:46] same tribe? [02:46] Hey bird, how's it going? [02:46] good good [02:46] possibly? Who knows. :P [02:47] ;) greetings bird [02:47] tweet tweet [02:47] Hey nix_chix0r. How are you? [02:47] hi nix_chix0r [02:47] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:47] howdy, firebird619 The-Croupier . just kinda mentally exhausted nothing good to drink to get a buzz:P [02:48] Action: firebird619 hands nix_chix0r a good drink, although he doesn't have one. :P [02:48] mikkaa (n=mikkaa@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving." [02:48] double bloody mary pleaes [02:49] ha [02:49] gbelknap (n=ubuntu@c-76-125-184-115.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:50] WallRat007 (n=jlarrew@24.174.101.171) joined ##slackware. [02:50] nix_chix0r, is that a good drink? bloody mary?! [02:50] WallRat007 (n=jlarrew@24.174.101.171) left irc: Client Quit [02:50] yeah but it has the texture of drinking a guiness [02:50] get yourself some strong whiskey,burbon,vodka, ouzo... ;) [02:50] so it's filling [02:51] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:51] unless you are not aiming for time-redundant gettting drunk ;) [02:51] I second the ouzo [02:51] Tyrael (n=bart@212.187.2.224) joined ##slackware. [02:51] man i hate renting a video, not watching it, then having to pay the lates charges incurred because i was too lazy to return it by the due date [02:51] nix_chix0r, already at work? [02:51] antler: haha, lazy to watch and return. Good work. :) [02:52] nope i start tuesday.. i call them monday to tell them i accept the offer [02:52] nix_chix0r: Have fun on your first day of work. :D [02:52] gona bring the baby to the night managers house since her daughter is going to watch him while i'm at work [02:52] firebird619: haha [02:52] 20bucks a day this kid wants [02:52] nix_chix0r, very wise to avoid as many mondays as you can [02:52] way cheaper than day care [02:53] antler: Gosh, what's happend to you, you can't think and your lazy. :P [02:53] slackboy, my hubby works at this company already, and i got him a swingline stapler for christmas . one of these days i'm gona steal it from his cube. so he will have to ask me for it:)) [02:53] firebird619: heh i can't help it. i'm just not in the mood for "the deer hunter" right now :D [02:54] The Deer Hunter, that's a movie? Never heard of it. [02:54] antler, deerhunter..nice movie [02:54] firebird619, its a de nero movie..nice ;) [02:54] The-Croupier: Ah, ok. [02:54] firebird619: yeah, a few peeps were talking about it in here the other night. i saw it a while back and remembered that it was good; so.... [02:54] Action: The-Croupier likes antler's choice ;) [02:55] I don't watch many movies, so I didn't know. :P [02:55] nix_chix0r, heh, nice move [02:55] apocalypse now? [02:55] it's funny though slackytude i meant haha [02:55] The-Croupier: pretty much anything with de niro in it is a good choice :P [02:56] but i noticed that my starting out there is more than he started out with and he gets a raise every 3months [02:56] antler: YAY, FreeBSD is installed. [02:56] antler, yepmost of the time [02:57] The-Croupier: can you name one that he was in that wasn't good? [02:57] fatio (n=a@85.179.144.92) joined ##slackware. [02:57] firebird619: fire up a browser, or ping the outside world [02:58] outside world? [02:58] Zozma (n=Winter@72-160-219-76.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:58] slackytude: as opposed to the localhost, the inside world [02:58] antler: yup, will do, sec. [02:58] antler, O_O [02:59] my gramma... what big eyes you have :P [02:59] hahaha [02:59] antler: I'm not at a gui quite yet, it went through asking me to set the network stuff up. [03:00] firebird619, what are you doing? [03:00] slackytude: Installing FreeBSD in a VBox. [03:00] antler, i didnt like meet the fockers, not a denero movie ;) [03:00] brb [03:00] oh, FreeBSD, nice [03:02] I haven't tried it in a while, but seen 7.2 was released and thought I'd give it a try. [03:02] lots of BSD releases recently [03:02] The-Croupier: oh yeah... i forgot about that one... not a typical de niro movie, yeah. [03:04] god. i can't get this friggin printer/scanner functional. [03:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:04] antler: :) KDE4 is in the ports collection. [03:04] i have a confession.:( [03:04] i go to reinstall hplip, and it is asking me which distro most closely resembles slackware-current, not allowing an 'other' option [03:04] nix_chix0r: really? do tell. :P [03:05] i've been drinking orange juice. and anyway i took slackware off my laptop and replaced it with debian [03:05] dartmouth: and slackware 12.2 isn't an option? (or it is, but it doesn't work due to -current having kde4?) [03:06] nix_chix0r: WHAT?!? [03:06] :P [03:06] Action: nix_chix0r facepalms [03:06] cursed be that which is orange juice, look what it's done. [03:06] nix_chix0r: wait, you already had the baby... you were supposed to do irrational, insane stuff like that while you were pregnant, nor now... [03:06] s/nor/not/ [03:06] i'm just in shock that it works so well [03:06] it's been so long since i used it [03:07] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host220-75-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:07] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie. [03:07] nix_chix0r, #debian [03:07] nix_chix0r: Do you have slackware installed on anything now? [03:08] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [03:08] :( nix_chix0r's baby will now learn the ways of Debian. It is indeed a dark, dark day. [03:08] no, he installed mandriva over his zenwalk. and i am trying to get the slackware iso on to a bootable flash for my desktop [03:08] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-221-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:08] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Urchlay: http://pastebin.com/m1da6ec97 nope lol [03:09] not even an option [03:09] Be gone nix_chix0r, for you do not belong here any longer until slackware is upon one of your machines yet again. :P [03:09] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1506 << I love this one [03:09] we had to do a mad rush to back up his laptop because gentoo was mucking up and wouldnt post bios for an hour then i shook the laptop and it worked so we've been transferring 100gb of music onto another compuer [03:09] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [03:09] firebird619, i'll have it there tomorrow since i'm doing nothing but having lunch with a pal [03:10] some one must have put thc in my orange juice [03:10] nix_chix0r: Ah, ok, then your alright. :D [03:11] trying to do the dvd version with this one program [03:11] makes it bootable [03:11] slackytude: heh, that's a good one. [03:12] 100 GB of music, WHOA. [03:12] firebird619, i was moving it from a 8gb thumb drive lolol it took a long time [03:12] 100gb of music is overkill [03:13] antler: I'm installing kde4 in FreeBSD now, It asked me if I wanted to view the ports collection, I chose yes, and then was browsing through, and there didn't seem to be a way to exit the ports collection, so I thought what the heck, let's install kde4. [03:13] ttyX, he discovered bit torrent last month. and has made our bandwidth limit fill up fast [03:13] nix_chix0r: ouch, that would take forever. [03:13] Old_Fogie, greetings [03:14] goofball downloading snoop dog disc sets [03:14] lol [03:14] torrents are bad for diskspace [03:14] firebird619: oh, so you're online? [03:14] antler: yeah, not in a gui, but online yes. [03:15] It's downloading and installing kde4. [03:15] ok, cool. you don't like gnome? [03:15] not sure how long that will take though, it's at boost-python. [03:15] antler: no, not really. Is that what it installs by default? [03:15] it would be funny if i told him our isp no longer lets us use the ports bit torrent needs for a connection:D [03:16] dartmouth: hrm. What the... what about a hplip slackbuild? isn't it in Slackware now? [03:16] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:16] firebird619: oh, nm. for some reason i thought freebsd comes w/ gnome by default, but i think you actually have to install a de [03:16] nix_chix0r: lol, that would be cruel, yet funny. [03:16] antler: Yes, I think you do have to install one, so I chose kde4. [03:16] firebird619, nonono,, he has to put out for bandwidth:)) [03:17] :D [03:17] 0.0! [03:17] Now there's a payment/bandwidth plan. [03:17] Urchlay: im getting the newest beta hoping it'll support my C4580 scanner function [03:17] agreed [03:17] let him get up with the baby every time and then want it [03:18] change all the shitty diapers [03:18] not to mention diaper rash [03:18] now how do i get slackware to boot on a flash lol? [03:19] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [03:19] nix_chix0r: slax is there for that [03:20] or you could to that. i always imagined you could rip out all your hard drives and just symlink /dev/hda to /dev/sda [03:20] but that's only because i haven't tried to do it. [03:21] wait. would that work? [03:22] nevermind. don't listen to anything I say. I pulled that out of my ass. [03:22] i have no idea [03:22] to me it sounded great haha [03:22] but it'd be worth at least attempting [03:22] something a stoner would do [03:22] i dont know if you'd be able to boot with stock kernel though [03:23] I need a better music player but slacky's exaile seems to be broken like all their packges as usual [03:23] nix_chix0r, basically you dd the usbboot.img to your stick [03:24] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:24] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:24] i have a program called unetbootin that worked for the debain i got from their program [03:25] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [03:25] but not a downloaded iso for some reson it would hang [03:25] someone used unetbootin for slackware as well [03:26] recently [03:26] slackytude: kenisis did. [03:26] unetbootin for slackware would require a usb stick 4GB & above [03:26] i was going to do it because i wanted to try the dvd version since i'm lazy and dont want to buy dvds or a bunch of cds [03:26] yeah mines an 8gb [03:27] I am assuming that when a dependency list has both 'cups' and 'cups-devel' that the 'cups' package is not enough? [03:27] Is this accurate? [03:27] depends [03:27] Obviously. [03:27] lol [03:27] Action: firebird619 gives nix_chix0r a blank dvd. :P [03:27] im compiling hplip [03:27] lol [03:28] dartmouth: cups would be enough I guess [03:28] i hope so [03:28] gauteh (n=gaute@49.84-48-163.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [03:29] I have stacks of dvds. For sure 180, and then whatever is left in the stack I've been using off of. [03:29] Hey listen. I love the atmosphere here but we need to spice stuff up. Can I start asking questions as if I'm a supervillain conducting an operation in his lair? [03:29] dartmouth: NO. :P [03:29] LOL [03:29] but thanks for asking. :D [03:30] only if the questions involve sharks with freakin' lasers [03:30] Action: dartmouth pours cocktail sauce on his coleslaw [03:30] haha [03:30] Action: dartmouth realized how dirty that sounded [03:30] speaking of supervillians, I played space quest 1&2 during the weekend [03:30] lol [03:30] those are some unfair games [03:30] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:32] gauteh (n=gaute@49.84-48-163.nextgentel.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:33] http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/other.html <-- I'm assuming the cups package has most of the cups-$name packages listed here, but why, if the distributors have different names and breakdowns of these packages (i've seen this in other insances), why does slackware not follow that uniformity? [03:33] because slackware isnt crap [03:34] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Connection timed out [03:34] dartmouth: there is not need to split it all up like that [03:34] no* [03:34] antler: KDE4 takes a while to install on FreeBSD. :) It's still going. [03:34] the issue is, that suppose a package needed a dep from cups like cups-image and it was not included in cups [03:34] i mean doesn't it just create more work this way? [03:36] firebird619: its ports remeber? [03:36] yes, but you can also squeeze more stuff onto cd if you leave devel stuff out of packets [03:36] remember* [03:37] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:38] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: "Leaving" [03:39] so is there any xmms2 client with scrobbling support? [03:40] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [03:40] PHughes (n=Stazer@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [03:41] oh, here's a nice one. in -current, there's a pyqt4 issue where it's looking for qmake-qt4; for compatability reasons should I symlink qmake to qmake-qt4 or should I install the slackbuilds script for qt4 to co-exist with the -current version of qt4? [03:42] I'm just not that familiar with the innards of qt4 [03:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:42] dartmouth: [03:42] comiling smplayer? [03:42] compiling* [03:43] no im just grabbing the deps for hplip [03:43] dartmouth: SBo's qt4 shouldn't be installed on -current which already has qt4. I've done that before and had issues, not a good idea. [03:43] aparently q-4.5 seems to be missing it [03:43] firebird619: ok, noted [03:43] even the vanilla version [03:44] so xmms2 is like mpd? [03:44] so is it wise with that in mind to symlink /usr/bin/qmake => /usr/bin/qmake-qt4? [03:44] only a daemon with clients build around it [03:44] idk wtf qmake is, I don't touch it. [03:44] xmms2 was suppose to be the successor to xmms. [03:45] built* [03:45] I'm not sure what's come of it though, if it's still in development or not. [03:45] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:45] firebird619: its verymuch alive & kicking [03:45] ttyX: Ah, ok. [03:45] err, im sorry, it's the other way around=-- I'd be creating a symlink /usr/bin/qmake-qt4 to qmake; I just don't want to 'trick' my box into thinking its got something it doesn't. [03:45] dartmouth, its Qt own makefile [03:46] dartmouth, its Qt own make replacement [03:46] ttyX: cool, just checked their page, it's very much so still active. [03:46] slackytude: what? [03:46] yep thats why am considering replacing audacious with xmms2 [03:46] dartmouth: It's like QT's version of make. [03:46] oh [03:46] dartmouth, you know when you enter make or make install? qmake is the QT version of that [03:47] ok, so im guessing that's a 'probably ok to do' on that symlink [03:47] quite nice, actually. altho only really useful with qt stuff [03:47] afaik [03:47] dartmouth: I doubt it would work [03:47] I guess you could use it for pure C/C++ stuff as well [03:47] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [03:47] last time I tried compiling smplayer ended up with a failure [03:48] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:48] ttyX: im not compiling smplayer. [03:48] right now im compiling pyqt4 on -current from a slackbuild [03:48] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [03:48] dartmouth: that's what am tring to tell [03:49] i did the same symlinking thingy [03:49] oh [03:49] it didn't resolve not being able to find qmake-qt4? [03:49] pyqt is nice [03:49] what version? [03:50] dartmouth: what are you doing exactly? Installing a new hplip? [03:50] I am just assuming qmake-qt4 is qmake for the qt4 slackbuild [03:50] firebird619: yeah i removed the package that was installed because i wanted the freshest beta hoping i'd get scanner support [03:50] dartmouth: make and model of scanner? [03:50] C4580 [03:51] the reason I think it can be done is that that feature is listed as supported in other distros [03:51] but not for slackware [03:51] which makes no sense to me. [03:51] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:51] linux is linux is linux [03:52] dartmouth: you tried using it with xsane first? [03:52] I mean it's going to boil down to dependencies and filesystem hierarchies [03:52] no i didnt [03:52] to be honest the version i had installed didn't even have the ppd for my printer so.. [03:53] dartmouth: then how do you know it wouldn't have worked with what -current had? [03:53] dartmouth: try alien's slackbuild toolkit [03:53] if qt4 is the only dependency [03:53] it works fine for me [03:53] firebird619: that's good thinking. I should have hit up the channel first. [03:53] i'll just grab hplip again from a -current repo [03:54] they sure got weird codenames for xmms2 builds [03:54] dartmouth: yes, and should have tried to use it first with xsane, etc. Could save you alot of trouble building the newest stuff. :) [03:55] it might be unpopular, but it helps to think, once in a while [03:55] :) [03:55] that sounded too harsh [03:55] it also helps to be silent in the company of lunatics, once in a while. lol [03:55] dartmouth, I wasnt trying to insult or stuff [03:55] its cool [03:55] who you callin lunatics???? :P [03:55] I had sex with your mother. [03:56] :O [03:56] wtf [03:56] that wasn't called for imo. [03:56] lol [03:56] There. I said it. [03:56] I think I'll repeat my think once in a while comment [03:56] lol [03:57] Action: slackytude has to go soon [03:57] slackytude: better make it a habit :p [03:57] need to be an uni [03:57] then go back to work [03:57] *sigh* [03:57] slackytude: no need to repeat when it isn't paid attention to. :) [03:57] firebird619, the sad truth [03:58] indeed [03:58] YAY, KDE4 is done. [03:59] ooh. firebird619 are you on -current or is that a 'smarter' upgrade? [04:00] That is on FreeBSD in a VM. [04:00] congrats firebird619 u got the bloat :p [04:00] heh, thanks. [04:01] oooh [04:01] freebsd with kde4 [04:01] tell me it isn't so. [04:01] Action: dartmouth dusts off portsnap [04:01] ok. It isn't so. Go back to sleep... [04:01] lol Urchlay. [04:02] FreeBSD is so great. My only gripe with it is its partitioning and filesystem. [04:03] i dont like the whole slices thing, especially on a dual boot system [04:03] it does support zfs doesnt it? [04:03] dartmouth: do you like slices of pizza? [04:03] i believe it does [04:03] firebird619: no, it's against my religion. [04:03] ZFS is awesome. [04:03] We just eat the whole pizza in my homeland. [04:04] wow, you really hate slices then, of anything. [04:04] I keep a cheese grater in my desk drawer. [04:05] antler: Ok, everythings done and installed, but it defaulted to startx'ing me into twm. [04:05] freebsd is gentoo done right :p [04:05] Really though, if it were feasible at all to get fbsd running off ext3 and ext4 without the whole slices thing i'd probably make a full conversion eventually. [04:06] firebird619: what do you want it to run? echo "exec mywindowmanager" > ~/.xinitrc [04:06] Urchlay: KDE4. [04:06] (so it is written in Linux, so mote it be in BSD) [04:06] ttyX: yes, FreeBSD supports ZFS. [04:06] eh, kde3 is "exec startkde", I suppose they didn't change the name in 4... [04:07] Urchlay: Ok, thanks. [04:08] I didn't think of FreeBSD having ZFS or I'd have installed with that. [04:08] firebird619: surprised you didn't already know that, coming from Slack-land... [04:08] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:08] darmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:08] :( I FAIL. [04:08] eh, Slackistan? [04:08] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:09] Slack-Island? [04:09] we ought to all move to one of those tiny little states in new england and scare off the existing population so we control the government, then rename it to Slackistan... [04:09] criminies i need to tell my locate updater not to scan my xp partition. I go to search for 'kde4' to check urchlay's startkde theory and it's all /xp/lotsastuff/i/stopped/caring/about/forever/ago [04:09] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [04:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:10] hey. new englanders are tough. we ain't fraid of no southern bumpkins. [04:10] Urchlay: I guess somewhat why I didn't know is I have slack start to rl4 and then if I want to change de/wm, I switch at kdm or change with xwmconfig. [04:11] darmouth: check /etc/updatedb.conf, add ntfs-3g and/or ntfs to PRUNEFS [04:11] oooh. thx. [04:11] or else add /xp to PRUNEPATHS, same result [04:12] Eh. Sorry. I was really just showing off that I have KDE4 in windows xp. [04:12] does it actually work reliably there? [04:12] not at all. [04:12] it's kde4. [04:12] :) [04:12] and windows... the worst of both world? [04:12] yessir. [04:13] Urchlay: there isn't a startkde. [04:13] now I can run photoshop through a shitty DE that crashes all the time instead of through a shitty not-an-emulator that crashes all the time. [04:13] haha [04:14] firebird619: eh, well, I dunno then. try "grep usr/bin /var/adm/packages/kdebase-*" [04:14] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [04:15] maybe it's just called "kde".. which means my laptop would break if I upgraded to kde4 (right now, "kde" from a command line starts X + KDE, as opposed to my usual windowmaker environment I get with "startx" [04:16] err, I mistyped and am now stuck at: > [04:16] press ctrl-C to get your prompt back... [04:16] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [04:17] G'morning [04:17] darmouth: never used photoshop... is it really enough better than the gimp to be worth putting up with all manner of hackery to get it to run in linux? [04:17] mornin to ye, multimas [04:17] Urchlay: There isn't a /var/adm in FreeBSD, No such file or directory. [04:17] firebird619: whoops, I forgot you're not on slackware :) [04:17] Anyway, I need to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [04:17] Urchlay: :P [04:17] cmk (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:17] firebird619: better go read the freebsd handbook, find out how to query its package database... [04:17] Urchlay: I'm on a slackware host. :P [04:18] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@161.184.42.80) left irc: "SLEEP TIME I TELL YOU!!!! SLEEP TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WARG ABNLARBDFA!" [04:18] Urchlay: yeah, I'll work on that tomorrow. [04:18] Later everyone. [04:18] should install virtualbox inside your freebsd guest, and a linux guest inside that... and bsd inside that... turtles all the way down :) [04:18] haha [04:19] you could always just uhm, read a 'install kde4 from ports' how-to freely available from google. [04:19] that would be something. [04:19] dartmouth: I already have kde4 installed in it. [04:19] I really have run Linux running a DOS emulator running a TurboGrafx16 emulator running a game... and it ran pretty smoothly even :) [04:19] nice [04:19] anyway, gotta go. It's 03:14 here. [04:20] but for some reason dosemu quit working years ago, and I've never gotten it fully working again [04:20] 4:20 here [04:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:20] firebird619, go to sleep. darmouth, light up a joint or something [04:20] umislack (i=1000@58.64.93.234) left irc: "leaving" [04:20] eek. no, it's really 4:20 that isn't quite how it sounds. [04:20] haha, later Urchlay. [04:20] yeah, I came back quite quickly... [04:20] :) [04:20] Hi and Bye Camarade_Tux. [04:20] firebird619 :) [04:20] darmouth: apparently you're in my timezone [04:21] Urchlay: what parts? [04:21] georgia? [04:21] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:21] eh, assuming that's 4:20AM anyway [04:21] yeah, Georgia [04:21] wait. lemme guess. [04:21] the one in the US, not Eastern Europe :) [04:21] give me a sec [04:21] Action: Urchlay waits patiently for darmouth to run "/whois Urchlay" [04:21] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:22] Dallas? [04:22] What kind of podunk city in georgia is dallas? lol [04:22] on the money. GeoIP silliness? [04:22] no I'm your father. [04:23] no, Darth Vader is my father. We did DNA testing and shit. He had to pay 30+ years back child support & everything. [04:23] had to refinance his Tie Fighter to pay for it [04:24] haha. you too, huh? [04:24] (why do you think he only ever flies it in the first movie?) [04:24] ah, crap. Sis? [04:25] (wait, you can't be my sister, rule #1 of the internet is that there are no girls on the internet...) [04:25] No, no, Darth had a twin brother who lives in Oklahoma who did the same damn thing. [04:26] Oklahoma, not Oakland? Thought you might be talking about Darth Raider [04:27] Urchlay: I used to work with a guy from georgia [04:27] Urchlay: (the european one!) [04:27] multimas: i bet money Urchlay has as well. [04:27] oh, well then I just lost money. [04:27] :D [04:28] oh god I just happened to look above my screens and saw someone pulling their finger out of their nose and into their mouth :| [04:28] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] antler, back as you see : I couldn't concentrate at all ;) [04:29] carbs [04:29] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:30] I haven't worked with anybody from the Georgia in Europe, but I have a friend from there [04:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:30] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [04:30] oh, hey, urchlay, xsane isn't finding my devices and now hp-setup is giving me a cupsext error after reinstalling the same darn package I had before [04:30] he says "I move 3,000 miles from Georgia and now in Georgia again, WTF?" [04:30] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:31] darmouth: I might be able to help, if I'd used a scanner at any time in the past 8 years... but I haven't :( [04:31] Urchlay: if i had a friend like that i'd bug the crap out of him with a one-liner in a funny accent, like 'just like here, only weird!' [04:32] eh, I'm nice to him, he's got vodka and old Atari computers... we get drunk and I kick his ass at Joust [04:33] Nick change: get -> LiquidSnake [04:34] joust was the shit [04:34] Word [04:35] still is a lotta fun in 2-player mode [04:36] especially if both players are devious... "OK, I won't kill you for the extra 3000 points, I promise..." [04:36] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:36] lol [04:37] another neat trick is to play the MAME version, the one with the pterodactyl cheat, and see how long you can keep it going [04:37] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [04:38] (in single player mode it's a lot easier, the pterodactyl comes to you and impales itself on your lance. In 2-player, sometimes it decides to chase the other player) [04:38] boy once you start using slackpkg in -current you kind of need to keep using it, don't you? [04:38] sure. It's like heroin, or crack... [04:38] i just cannot keep track of stuff without it. [04:38] you *can* quit, but there are painful withdrawal symptoms... [04:39] (hopefully slackpkg won't actually kill you after a few years though...) [04:39] im concerned though that the upgrade-all command isn't checking to see if a new package has been added to the tree that wasn't there before. [04:39] is it supposed to do that? [04:39] is this paranoia? [04:39] i have no idea. [04:39] I'm assuming it does. [04:40] you can *never* kick heroin, the addiction is always there [04:40] Does anyone here have a laptop with a 320 GB hard drive or better and would be willing to pastebin the output of 'smartctl -a /dev/' ? [04:40] wonder about my friend then... this guy who has been going to NA meetings for roughly 20 times as long as he was actively using heroin [04:41] I know him... and I *seriously* doubt he'd fall off the wagon if he were to quit going to meetings [04:42] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [04:42] (maybe I'm wrong, I'm not exactly a people person) [04:43] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-74-136.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:43] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-175.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] I just got done getting a new drive from newegg.com, and it's going through about 140 load cycles an hour. At this pace, I think the drive will only last a little over half a year, so I'm looking for a drive which doesn't have crappy firmware [04:45] you know that you can tune the disk with hdparm to limit the load cycling [04:46] antiwire, yeah, and unless I give it hdparm -B 254, it cycles that much (142 cycles in an hour with -B 253) [04:46] then you figured it out [04:46] what's 254 do? stop it powering down at all ever? [04:46] s/powering/spinning/ [04:47] i just put a few hdparm commands in rc.local [04:47] oh god, there are people that pay attention to that shit? [04:47] 254 is the most performance-heavy setting without turning apm stuff off completely (that's 255) [04:47] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [04:47] i use 254 too [04:47] I don't even know what my STORAGE capacity is, let alone any of that nonsense. [04:48] darmouth: sure. If the drive wears itself out in the name of trying to save power, the overall savings is kind of negative... [04:48] these SMART attributes aren't exactly nonsense [04:48] darmouth, haha. Well, at the current rate, my brand new drive would last 5 months [04:49] All i know is i've got a pile of 8 western digitial IDE drives that have been kicked and beaten around outside of a box for years, across the country by road, and moved from apartment to apartment and even put in the trunk of a car for long road trips in bad suspension, they've been dropped on hardwood floors, and I've never had data loss. [04:49] In fact, it would surpass the dead drive which it replaced (as far as this one metric is concerned) in 17 days [04:49] darmouth, [04:50] would you mind posting the smartctl output on any one of your older drives? purely for curiosity's sake :-) [04:50] i've not had a drive die and i've been beating those things up for almost 6 years now [04:50] yeah [04:50] 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 506 [04:51] I had two drives die within a month here recently, but one of my old ass desktop drives (6 years) is still kicking. Just too unpredictable, hdds :-( [04:51] disk has been in use everyday in a laptop for 6 months [04:51] oh, joy, I just looked at my laptop's smart stats [04:51] 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 001 001 050 Old_age Always FAILING_NOW 617040/616967 [04:51] holy shit [04:52] output of smartctl /dev/hda is: nothing. it gives me version details [04:52] antiwire, wow. My new drive (total hours running: 69) has a Load_Cycle_Count of 7861 [04:52] One of the guys in this appartment ordered 4 seagate 1.5TB disks just a few days ago. Badblocks scanning... and 2 are already RMA... [04:52] darmouth: what command did you run? [04:52] darmouth, smartctl -a [04:52] apparently I forgot to add my old hdparm -B 254 command to rc.local after upgrading it from slackware 9.0 :( [04:53] 9 Power_On_Minutes 0x0032 087 087 060 Old_age Always - 6550h+38m [04:53] nathanbw: actually i was wrong, ~3months [04:53] Urchlay, bummer :-( [04:54] nathanbw: http://pastebin.com/m545ced12 [04:54] Urchlay, was there an argument to smartctl which got you Power_On in minutes as opposed to hours? [04:54] that's less than 300 days actual power-on time... that doesn't sound right [04:54] no, that's just "smartctl -a /dev/hda" [04:55] Mine is in hours, it must vary by drive [04:55] darmouth: line 53 disk already has one recorded area that has been reallocated. [04:55] darmouth: that disk has actually been damaged and it knows it. [04:55] Hardware_ECC_Recovered is 1, and Reallocated_Event_Count is 0 [04:55] Reminds me of my ex. There's something wrong and you can't even tell. [04:56] cmk (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:56] reminds me of my ex: I've kept her around for too long, she's getting stale... [04:57] also " has actually been damaged and it knows it" reminds me of at least one ex... [04:57] eh. you're right. it doesn't remind me of my ex. my ex has no idea she's damaged goods lol [04:58] how can smart be reporting only 272 days power-on time? I've had this laptop since 2002, and I know for a fact I left it running for a year straight once (or close to it: uptime was in the 300 day range) [04:58] Urchlay, maybe an overflow [04:58] Urchlay: that attribute is not always consistent and may also have a roll over point [04:58] or does that 272 days already take into account the amount of time it spent spun down in power-save mode? [04:59] Who knows how many bits the drive has to keep track of that kind of thing [04:59] Action: darmouth wonders why they have such features if they can't make them reliable. [04:59] Urchlay: it just depends on how the manufacturer coded the disk's firmware to handle the attributes [04:59] how do you get the raw value? smartctl -r? [04:59] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [05:00] 'parently not [05:01] frullet_ (n=Bob@124-168-129-65.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [05:01] load cycle count says "617057/616984", what's the second number? [05:03] who knows [05:03] heh, smartctl -H on that drive says: [05:03] SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED [05:03] what brand of disk is that? [05:03] but then goes on to note the "marginal attributes" start_stop_count and load_cycle_count [05:04] hda: HITACHI_DK23CA-30, ATA DISK drive [05:04] wow man [05:04] i'm surprised that disk hasn't died [05:04] I have yet to see any reported errors, and apparently it's only remapped 1 sector [05:05] (unless the remapping counter overflowed too!) [05:05] i consider a disk that has any reallocated sectors as an 'imminent failure' situation [05:06] it's also a valid RMA reason for any factory [05:07] yeah, but I bet they wouldn't take a pastebin of smartctl's output, they'd insist I stick the drive in a windows box (which I don't have) and run their proprietary diagnostics [05:07] I have an IDE drive in another machine that says 0 reallocated sectors, but: [05:07] 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 061 056 000 Old_age Always - 57800436 [05:08] that something to be concerned about? [05:08] if you send a print out of the hdparm output and they verified it in their returns lab they would absolutely accept it [05:08] if it was under warranty at least [05:09] eh, the one that's got "about to die" flashing over its head, is from 2002... doubt I got a 7 year warranty from the wizened old lady I bought the laptop from :) [05:09] I am returning a drive today as it happens. [05:09] I bought it in September :( [05:09] yeah wouldn't expect a 30GB disk to have a warranty at this point in time ;) [05:10] seriously, what's it telling me there with "hardware ecc recovered" stat? It actually read bad data that many times and used ECC to figure out what the bad bits were? 5.7 million of those sounds baddd [05:11] Urchlay: that attribute is often really out of control looking [05:12] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:12] sometimes it is accurate but nearly all drives will report some ecc errors [05:12] I've got one that's reporting 392510672 of them... [05:12] some manufacturers don't even report that attribute [05:12] everything else looks fine though [05:12] (including the logs where I did offline testing earlier this year) [05:15] actually. The laptop drive reports 0 reallocated sectors. 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[05:26] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [05:26] Urchlay: b [05:27] my apy was rebooting due to heat while compiling [05:27] lappy* [05:27] ouch [05:27] sorry shutdown [05:27] check air vents, might be years of crudded-up gunk in there [05:28] acpi wa striggering shutdown [05:28] disabled acpi and the problem is gone [05:28] (I dunno, used to smoke in same room with laptop in it, maybe had something to to with it) [05:28] I sure can fry eggs on this lappy now :p [05:28] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:28] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.12) joined ##slackware. [05:28] er. If it really is overheating, it's doing the shutdown stuff for a reason [05:29] what you've just done is the high-tech equivalent of replacing a blown fuse with a chewing gum wrapper. [05:29] <_RadioHead> morning people [05:29] <_RadioHead> yo Urchlay dude :) [05:29] evening, _RadioHead [05:29] afternoon _RadioHead [05:29] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: :) how was your day [05:30] <_RadioHead> ttyX: afternoon there [05:31] Urchlay: I can't afford to unscrew the alppy again as the floppy drive took some efoort to be taped properly :p [05:31] giusef (n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef) joined ##slackware. [05:32] and yes the keyboard doesnt work either [05:32] Hi all. How can I discovery which slack release do I have? [05:32] so its just the monitor with mobo+cpu [05:32] s/discovery/discover [05:32] as dvd rom staopped working long back [05:32] stopped* [05:32] giusef: cat /etc/slackware-version [05:33] ttyX: ehhh, at this point, I'd consider it broken, and figure I wouldn't make it worse by taking it apart to fix it... [05:33] ttyX: thank you very mich :) [05:33] Wow. Being on atarax at work is an interesting experience. [05:33] _RadioHead: pretty boring actually. I haven't even been outside the house [05:33] np giusef [05:33] <_RadioHead> arrg i just arrived @office outside is sunny day it`s pity i need to stay in office [05:34] ttyX: you use it as a compile farm with ssh? [05:34] that's why I don't touch the internals anymore [05:34] I use it to download torrents [05:34] and compiling stuff [05:35] as my desktop is 'windows' cant trust it :p [05:35] paissad (n=paissad@106.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:35] yuck. You oughtta do something about that... [05:35] yeah might do the vice versa Urchlay [05:36] <_RadioHead> upgrading -current :) see you in while [05:36] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.12) left irc: "Leaving" [05:36] actually starting to think about sleeping [05:36] it's 5:40AM here [05:37] Nick change: Sleepymess -> Emess [05:37] read some more of this weird old science fiction written in 1934, then pass out [05:38] (man, the future sure ain't as great as that guy thought it was gonna be...) 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[06:46] all the google how-tos refer to udev fixes that aren't slackware-applicable [06:46] of course they are [06:46] frullet (n=Bob@124-168-129-65.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [06:47] unless im overlooking something, im tirted [06:47] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:47] tired [06:47] what are the permissions on the scanner device? [06:49] im not sure [06:49] why not? just look at the scanner device [06:49] it's usb lol [06:49] Is grep flawed or did I just never notice that grep -iR 'beer' *.txt doesn't work. [06:49] <_RadioHead> hey slackytude [06:49] <_RadioHead> :) [06:50] Zosma: note that "*" will be expanded by the shell [06:50] Mmm good point. [06:50] _RadioHead, greetings! how do you do? [06:50] dartmouth, so? [06:50] I always forget that for find too. [06:50] Zosma: And since you are specifying an extension, the recursion will fail. [06:50] Action: slackytude goes on smoke break [06:50] Zosma: find . -type f -iname "*.txt" [06:50] <_RadioHead> on the phone :)... [06:50] Zosma: oops sorry [06:51] Zosma: I am on DRUGS AR WORK [06:51] huhu [06:51] with -exec grep '{}' \; it'll do. [06:51] Zosma: find . -type f -iname "*.txt" -exec grep beer {} \; [06:51] Wuh yes. [06:51] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:52] amelieR (n=reikyv@124.82.58.242) left irc: "Leaving" [06:53] im not sure how to find a usb device :/ [06:53] Tried your local computer store? [06:53] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [06:53] dartmouth: I often check dmesg... but there has to be a better way. [06:53] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:53] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:54] lsusb [06:54] Lexus1 (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [06:54] that's what i used multimas but it tells me what bus it's on [06:54] i've got no reference in /dev/* [06:54] amelieR (n=reikyv@124.82.58.242) joined ##slackware. [06:55] the device i need to change the perms for is at libusb:001:002 [06:56] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:57] dartmouth: Well - an usb device will only be mapped to a device node if a driver is found and used. [06:59] dartmouth, unplug scanner, issue a udevadm monitor, plug scanner i, and paste output to a bin [07:01] kama (n=kama@host115-109-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434901.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:02] kama (n=kama@host115-109-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:03] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[08:18] morning [08:20] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:21] hmm I am confused about installing postgres sql : http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/postgresql/.... It has the archive tar.gz [08:22] neither the installpkg works after renaming to tgz [08:22] paul424: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [08:22] defcon1 (n=localhos@82-41-92-172.cable.ubr02.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:23] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:24] sahko: why does he asks for the archive with sources ? : tar: /home/tom/postgresql/postgresql-8.3.7.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory [08:24] paul424: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [08:24] did i say that already? i think so [08:25] defcon1 (n=localhos@82-41-92-172.cable.ubr02.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:25] sahko: ok ok i thought it contains the binary already [08:25] paul424, the word "build" in the word "Slackbuilds.org" both (a) implies and (b) means that _you_ the admin *build* the package :) It's not a binary site. [08:26] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-129-65.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Jean (n=jean@93-36-227-182.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [08:29] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:30] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] rworkman, thrice`, you know how I'm playing with new libtool. surprisingly, I've had barely any breakage on the whole repo of mine. It seems that the libtool, broke guile, so I needed a new libtool 2.X compliant guile, which broke tetex and tetex-doc. I did a rebuild of that, and well so far so good. Oh gnutls also breaks, a rebuild there too. So not much fallout, heh. [08:32] Nick change: artv61 -> artv61on [08:32] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:32] so it's quite clear to me, all upstream software I use, and I build a ton, many of which from SBo, do in fact build, work with this libtool. [08:32] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:33] Nick change: artv61on -> artv61away [08:33] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:33] artv61away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. 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" what are those ,,,, should I restart the computer to alow the posgres sql server to run ? [08:49] are those script installed by def if I run SlackBuild ??? [08:50] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) joined ##slackware. [08:50] you hardly ever need to reboot [08:51] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/system/postgresql/README.SBo [08:51] it helps to read [08:51] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "(Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))" [08:52] the files are included in the slackbuild but not executed without you setting them up first [08:53] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [08:56] there is a bunch of files which looks like some kind of initialization / setup scirpts but i don't know which one I should run ............ [08:56] also root@oberon:/home/tom/postgresql# su postgres -c "initdb -D /var/lib/pgsql/data" [08:56] I got /bin/sh: initdb: command not found [08:57] elderk (i=db59f415@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c641433e9184efe8) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Hey guys! [08:58] paul424, did you build the package, and then install it? did you startup any /etc/rc.d/ files that might be needed to run? [08:58] I was wondering if anyone could help me with a super minimal X11 setup? [08:58] paul424: did you actuall run "installpkg" on the package you just presumably built? [08:58] :P So far, I've managed to get a slackware-12.2 install, with super-basic X11, at 490M, all up :) [08:58] alienBOB: no cause I am too stupid [08:59] but oy, the massive amount of screaming and crying it does :P [08:59] Although, hardware acceleration is working, that's kind of neat. [08:59] :) [08:59] paul424: I suggest you read http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ until you understand [08:59] elderk, you know what the beauty is to minimal installations? [08:59] I have a package listing, if anyone is interested in helping me spot what things maybe useful. [08:59] what, Old_Fogie ? [08:59] :) [08:59] elderk, When it completely breaks... you get to keep all the pieces :) [09:00] elderk: I'd be interested to see that [09:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [09:00] So far, some disconcerting things are, like, Xfontsel - will mess up :P [09:00] because I removed all the locales except english [09:00] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:00] I mean, they took like a massive amount of space. [09:00] :P [09:00] and I'm American, so... [09:00] elderk, but a good resource, is slacky.it's site for getting filenames w.r.t their packages. [09:00] their package browser. [09:00] :D [09:00] definitely. [09:00] I had to do it by installaing, removing, installing *Test until it worked* [09:00] :) [09:01] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [09:01] I love Slackware, to the core man, but, I want a very, very small Linux base. Just, slack :) [09:01] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [09:01] elderk: I assume you did this for some sort of embedded Linux. In that case, I would strip all the customization and make it single-purpose. Like you did, removing all locales, removing man pages, documentation etc [09:01] I was wondering maybe if I could get a minimal, nicely working install, by building X11 from source. [09:01] yeah it can be a pain. but really shaving down X doesnt save all that much room to be honest. now the fonts..well yea that saves room. [09:01] Aye. [09:02] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [09:02] I only installed the font-cursor, font-sun [09:02] obviously, the includes/devs [09:02] :P [09:02] Old_Fogie: you mean slackware.it not slacky.it I hope? [09:02] that saves too [09:02] just for fixed / 6x13 [09:02] elderk: you can of course leave out all the video and input drivers you dont need. also from fonts packages you only need font-misc-misc and fornt-cursor-misc [09:02] alienBOB, isn't that site just hosted by slacky? [09:02] NO!! [09:02] to get the server running [09:02] oh I thought cuz of the .it thing it was slacky's [09:02] :) If anyone wnats to see the listing I have so far, I'm pastebinning it. [09:02] and Old_Fogie , its not for embedded. [09:02] There are more people in Italy you know... [09:03] It's becuase Im crazy about space. [09:03] :P [09:03] alienBOB, yes I know :) [09:03] and because I thought it'd be fun. [09:03] :P [09:03] elderk: show me the goods [09:03] oh, I had FVWM running too [09:03] alienBOB, but I didn't think that Slackware itself, would have a site in Italy tho. [09:03] since that is my WM of choice :) [09:03] Action: Old_Fogie stands corrected [09:03] elderk: how did you remove the locale? rebuilt all packages? [09:03] Old_Fogie: it's the slackware.com webmaster's own site [09:03] I'd like to have a super minimal system like this, for my primary use you see - but, I need to make sure its not going to like, explode in a day. [09:03] lol [09:03] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:03] how do I kill all stopped jobs so I can exit su user mode ? [09:03] rm -rf :_ [09:03] :P [09:04] and find / grep / sed [09:04] :)_ [09:04] ^_^ [09:04] yeah that works too [09:04] greymaus1 (n=greymaus@86-46-204-152-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [09:04] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [09:04] can you paste the package list? [09:05] just out of curiosity and lack of anything to do atm [09:05] http://pastebin.com/d777291dd [09:05] :) [09:05] I added Xrandr and some stuff, [09:05] in attempts to fix some DMESG errors [09:05] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:05] like, [drm: cannot get vlank] or something to that tone [09:06] alienBOB, fwiw, don't know if you saw my note above about libtool or not. but autoconf,automake,autogen,tetex,guile,gnutls seem about the only things that needed a bump in revision for new libtool. I rebuilt all my packs using them. [09:06] i had an installation without aa_elflibs some time ago. i still think this package is optional [09:06] using a custom kernel, btw. [09:06] 2.6.29 [09:06] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.72.70) joined ##slackware. [09:07] although Ill downgrade to .28, since the broadcom wireless blob works there :) [09:07] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) joined ##slackware. [09:07] :) [09:07] sahko, aaa is needed to setp a simple base system for the installer. it's definitely needed if you start removing and rebuilding stuff deep in the guts of the system. but if you had a fully loaded box, the aaa_elflibs could be removed. but it's really pointless too for any typical slack user imo fwiw [09:08] I just want to have that feeling of 'I knwo what these are and why all of these are here" [09:08] Old_Fogie: i dont do fully loaded boxes [09:09] never had a problem without it though [09:09] Like, it's easier to get a 'feeling' of minimalism on say, BeOS or Windows 98 - because the lists saying THis, that and this other thing, are small. Even though the Windows core is freaking large. [09:09] well. [09:09] not freaking large. [09:10] but default, it is decent sized. [09:10] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.72.70) left irc: Client Quit [09:10] where as with any unix, there is so much more - the headers, the libraries, zillions. [09:10] and its just, hard to understand why they are all there. [09:10] and then, you understand that the binaries are shipped with Y features you dont use. [09:10] thus, the dependencies. [09:10] dll hell aint fun either [09:10] Not that it really maters, I guess, in this case. [09:11] well, no, its not slackytude, Im not saying Windows i sbetter. [09:11] they dont slow you down, unless you got a small hard drive, sorry to say it elderk , but in my opinion, your time is better spent scratching your ass than yanking every file. or if it's for a really secure installation. [09:11] Im simply using it as an example. [09:11] well, I am setting up a server on another machine - so I am doing this as research. [09:11] :) [09:11] but aside from that, it's really just a penis envy machismo the minimalization thing :) [09:11] and, as I said, I did it not for any REAL practical reason, but just for fun - "beceause I Can" [09:12] for a bit, it felt like I Was back in highshcool just messing around ot see what happened, it was fun :) [09:12] yea it's a good learning tool, how stuff goest together for sure [09:12] because of this, I know I can pretty much prune 80% of all the crap out of my servers install :) [09:12] tho I do chuckle, when I see gentoo users, who have a damn supercomputer bitch about an extra man page , hahaha [09:12] yesterday, I built a lot of server stuff into a nicely organized tree, which made me feel kinda happy. [09:13] elderk, oh for a secure server, I'd yank everything not needed too for sure. [09:13] ssh, bind, mysql, php, mod_wsgi, hg, httpd, all of them made fairly modular. [09:13] all the crap disabled that I dont need. [09:13] :) [09:13] but for host integrity check time minimalization [09:13] is why I'd yank all the crap [09:13] since the machine isnt super powerful, but, with the software configured right, it should be pretty decent. [09:13] Aye, Old_Fogie . [09:14] Also, the few times I will do full partition images and whatnot, [09:14] I want to be reasonably quick. [09:14] rsync for other stuff. [09:14] elderk, the problem with minimal install tho, is some day, some app, may make some "call" and you dont have the lib, so you really need to 'battle test' the hell out of it. [09:14] :) [09:14] Well, aye. [09:14] devil in the details, heh [09:14] elderk: why do you need hal and dbus for? [09:15] I dont [09:15] but, I was /going/ to try and make a 'install' out of this :P [09:15] to use, day to day. [09:15] since all I do is code, listen to xmms and browse the web, chat on irc. [09:15] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-215-133-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:15] so, I was going to see how minimal I could get a install for that, to be. [09:15] xmms ++ [09:15] :) [09:15] dbus is used by wpa_supplicant at least [09:15] Aye. [09:16] thats why I installed it :P [09:16] as for the server machine, all it is needed for is some simplish websites (project pages), hg hosting, without having to pay excessive amounts. PRobably some reasonably lightweight SQL/PHP interaction, that's about it. [09:17] :) For the couple friends helping me manage it, we'll be using RCS or something locally, to track changes in conf files, little logs saying what X did when and why. [09:17] For ou rpurposes, it seems reasonably okay of a plan. [09:17] What do you guys think? [09:17] RCS? [09:17] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:17] yeah man, the grand daddy of VCS. [09:17] :P [09:18] as long as you have one [09:18] and CVS :P [09:18] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [09:18] add openvpn in there too [09:18] well, using a full blown VCS for just a few files, wouldnt be that smart, especialyl not when the entire system would be rsync-backupped every few days anyway. [09:19] and rcs, woudl allow us to track the changes at file granularity, without repositories and whatnot. [09:19] the idea here is effective, but simple. [09:19] and aye, slackytude . [09:19] and to Old_Fogie, slicing down X11 really gains you very little. Cutting out the locales though, saved a huge amount [09:19] oh gee goblinx has a netbook version? [09:19] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:20] actualmind (n=actualmi@189.13.55.87) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:20] glyph_problem (n=eu@189.5.193.214) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Nick change: karlmag_ -> karlmag [09:20] glyph_problem (n=eu@189.5.193.214) left irc: [09:20] :) Any tips, advice, anyone? :) [09:21] I'm just kind of winding down now, getting ready for bed, so, I'm in a good mood for listening and pondering. [09:21] ANd cigarette smoking in thoughtful glee... [09:21] how important is security? [09:21] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:21] BP{k}: BTW http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13282 i knew it was the greek post to blame. now i contacted them [09:21] well, it'd be REALLY nice to NOT be like, hacked. [09:22] but, it's not mission critical. [09:22] elderk: http://alienbase.nl/500mbtagfiles.tar.gz - your package listing as a set of tagfiles to be used by the Slackware installer [09:22] thanks alienBOB ! [09:22] and hey, how did you build them? [09:22] alienBOB, nifty [09:22] alienBOB: you got an automatic tagfile generator? [09:23] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/tagfile_generator.sh [09:23] cheers, alienBOB :) [09:23] That'll come in really, really handy. [09:23] woa didnt remember founding that thanks [09:24] slackytude: I'm not sure really how... to make the server any more secure. Pretty much every possible excess group has been removed, only two users can login. [09:24] users can login only remotely, if they use ssh v2, with keys that the server knows, and from hosts. [09:24] that hte server knows. [09:24] daemons all run as specific users, specific groups. [09:24] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:25] things like the sql data area, webspace stuff, their permissions are quite seperate, reasonably put apart. [09:25] router, for firewall, only a couple pinholes in. [09:25] Action: elderk shrugs [09:25] elderk, depends how much effort you want to go into. like makeing/checking md5sums of you files, grsec, ossec [09:25] I'm trying pretty hard to do an okay job. [09:26] well, this is where I Figure you need to think. [09:26] like, in general. [09:26] being secure is always important, [09:26] and consists of a lot of things, like, reliability and whatnot. [09:26] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) got netsplit. [09:26] umislack (i=1000@58.64.93.234) got netsplit. [09:26] uva (i=bno@118-160-164-221.dynamic.hinet.net) got netsplit. [09:26] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) got netsplit. [09:26] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) got netsplit. [09:26] zErOaCid (i=slacker@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) got netsplit. [09:26] bittin```` (i=bittin@anapnea.net) got netsplit. [09:26] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) returned to ##slackware. [09:26] umislack (i=1000@58.64.93.234) returned to ##slackware. [09:26] uva (i=bno@118-160-164-221.dynamic.hinet.net) returned to ##slackware. [09:26] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) returned to ##slackware. [09:26] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) returned to ##slackware. [09:26] bittin```` (i=bittin@anapnea.net) returned to ##slackware. [09:26] zErOaCid (i=slacker@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) returned to ##slackware. [09:27] but, sense too, like, how likely is X, Y and Z to being compromised? Have I made sure that these general things, are protected against? :) [09:27] so, first things I Guess, slackytude, is to make sure I'm not missing anything really obvious :) [09:27] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:27] always a good start [09:27] and work up from there. [09:28] hashes of files is what would I consider minimal for a server designed for public use, tho [09:28] and sane firewall rules and logging [09:28] like, the server's files? hash em X days, compare for mismatches ? [09:28] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [09:28] and aye, firewall rules and logging, for /sure/ [09:28] aye [09:29] only a couple standard ports are open (thats for httpd, ssh) [09:29] and, the super important stuff publicly available via http, is secured via ssl. [09:29] like I Said earlier, ssh access is guarded by keys and the like. [09:29] but, everything is secure until its not :P [09:29] so, :) Im all ears. [09:30] oh and hey, about the logs, I've setup logging on the router itself [09:30] (and the server :) for pretty much all ssh access, all logins, any kinds of su(do)?, http access, :) [09:30] Seem reasonable? [09:30] http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/04/0829233&from=rss Heh, this reminds me of Office Space but with 180 deg. roll reversal. [09:31] slackytude: It's going to be important though, that the people I am hosting, code their sites reasonably well... [09:31] if they have access to the database, [09:31] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:31] and to make sure their 'users' on the database are secured properly. [09:32] likewise, php, not being able to do anything stupid... [09:32] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-135-181.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [09:32] :) I Remember back in Uni, they ran Apache as root - and they had PHP loaded with like, everything. You could open and write files in /etc, and suhclike... [09:32] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-129-65.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:32] it was one of those, wTF moments. [09:32] heh, nice [09:32] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [09:33] if you run apache with php, jail it badly [09:33] :P I want to avoid that kind of thing. [09:33] slackytude: can you hook me up with a page, that explains jailing somewhat? [09:33] the only jailing I am familiar with is chroot? [09:34] yeah, or usermode linux or a VM. but for small size machines and linux, probably a chroot [09:35] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.88) joined ##slackware. [09:36] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:37] slackytude: do you reckon I'm doing a reasonable job so far? [09:37] I mean, this is for like, [09:37] well, [09:37] a group thing :) [09:37] morning folks. [09:37] a few friends and I, we all code and, need some place to publish ourselves. [09:37] and, I'm the only one with a decent band and a spare machine. [09:38] morning BP(k) [09:38] Action: elderk hands BP a coffee. [09:38] \o/ [09:38] slackytude: I can't believe what I heard them say, oh "Let's just use Fedora or Ubuntu!". [09:38] Action: elderk glares at them [09:38] *they back away in horror* [09:39] Also, I was wondering if it'd be worthwhile setting up BIND, too, since doing the DNS myself would save me like, 130$ [09:39] elderk, sorry customer [09:39] well, okay, not that much, but, money, anyway. [09:39] :P being a student, I prize thy money. [09:40] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] would it be worthwhile chrooting the ssh daemon, too? shell access would only be for myself and my friend (who isnt a fedora loving bunturon) [09:40] why not dyndns? [09:41] so much aggression towards software :o [09:41] good point, slackytude. I'll need to get the domain to redirect there, though. [09:41] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:41] and, I'd like reasonable flexibility? Like, subdomains and whatnot. But, I figure that maybe more Apache's doing? [09:42] man, I must be tired. I keep saying reasonable and sounding like a frickin' hick. [09:42] hahah [09:42] awesome... [09:43] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [09:43] greetings [09:43] again [09:43] wb? [09:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:44] giuppy (n=giuppy@host156-162-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [09:44] slackytude: would things like subdomains and such, still be possible, using dyndns? [09:45] giuppy (n=giuppy@host156-162-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:45] hi when I try to type psql with running postgres sql server I got : psql: FATAL: database "tom" does not exist [09:45] neither I can create any role or database cause always got : root or tom or whatever " role .... does not exist" [09:46] deftunix (n=deftunix@host-78-14-84-142.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. 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[10:34] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:36] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0394F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:37] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [10:38] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:38] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [10:40] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) joined ##slackware. [10:42] it looks like slackpkg, by default, deletes the old kernel when a new one is released [10:42] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:42] wouldn't it make more sense to leave the old kernel there in case there are issues with the new kernel? [10:43] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [10:49] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:49] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:49] amazon10x: really? I never checked thats interesting. [10:50] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [10:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:51] yeah, i just upgraded to 2.6.29.2 and it definitely nuked whatever was already there [10:51] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [10:52] where's basrc in slackware? [10:52] bashrc* [10:52] amazon10x: that is what upgradepkg does. If you do not want slackpkg to remove anything ten blacklist that [10:52] in /etc/bashrc [10:52] ttyX: in your home (~/.bashrc) or /etc/bashrc [10:52] No /etc/bashrc [10:52] yes [10:53] locate find nothing [10:53] finds* [10:53] anyone here know how to read smartctl well? [10:53] when i install slackware and arrive at root screen if i want to create partition i should do fdkis /dev/sda but it says me unable to open /dev/sda what can be the problem? [10:54] first, dmesg. see if it's showing up [10:54] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:54] mib_0chdlg: cat /proc/partitions to see what you've got [10:54] ttyX, the bash defaults are used if no bashrc is found. There are a few alias commands etc. defined for the various shells in /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d [10:55] its empty [10:55] with /etc/profile being a file and /etc/profile.d being a directory [10:55] heh [10:55] what is empty. [10:55] giusef (n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef) left irc: "Segmentation fault" [10:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:55] cat /proc/partitions give me any as result [10:56] mib_0chdlg: what version of Slackware are you trying to install [10:56] did you type dmesg ? [10:56] yes [10:56] 10 [10:56] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425785.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:56] Slackware 10.0? [10:56] What kernel are you booting from? [10:56] yes [10:56] And how recent is your hardware? [10:56] slackware 32.6 [10:56] 2.4.26 [10:57] under virtual box [10:57] Not what version. What kernel _file_ [10:57] i dont know [10:57] ragsagar (n=ragsagar@59.93.33.43) joined ##slackware. [10:57] which is the version of xorg that comes with slackware 12.2? [10:57] What, you don't know [10:58] mib_0chdlg: you are installing Slackware not I [10:58] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [10:58] i dont know what kernel file [10:59] cant you ls the kernels dir ? [10:59] If you are just pressing ENTER at boot, then the bare.i kernel is loading mib_0chdlg. And I guess that virtualbox exposes its virtual hardware as SCSI (which the bare.i kernel does not support) [10:59] jeev, what smartctl help did you need? [10:59] i press enter [10:59] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [10:59] at boot [10:59] Why Slackware 10.0 btw? What is wrong with 12.2? [10:59] ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE [10:59] is VALUE what it currently is or RAW_VALUE ? [10:59] 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 3 [10:59] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425785.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] i think it's value. [10:59] which is the version of xorg that comes with slackware 12.2? xorg 7.4? [10:59] i mean raw_value . [11:00] alienBOB what should i write at boot? [11:00] before to press enter? [11:00] how many reallocated does that have, 3 ? [11:00] ragsagar: 1.4.2 [11:00] amazon10x, ok thanks [11:00] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:01] ragsagar: packages.slackware.it if you want to search for any other packages to check their versions [11:01] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:01] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-144-112-117.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:01] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [11:02] jeev, I'm not real sure on that one, but now i'm intrigued [11:02] alienBOB: I was able to compile and run otp_src_R12B-5 on Slackware 12.2. [11:02] ...wrong window [11:02] because i have the failing 1.5tb seagates, i did a "low level format" in windows. [11:02] remained at 3.. so i'm figuring, 3 is good, this drive isnt bad? [11:02] they call him slackerpete and he dances to the rumba beat.. [11:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:03] jeev, the seagates with the firmware bug? They don't necessarily "fail". You have to have the drives reset between a specific number of spins during the lifetime of the disk in order for failure to occur. [11:03] i have 4 CC1H's at home. [11:03] jeev, it's not an automatic or "definitely going to happen" thing. Although upgrading the firmware is never a bad idea to avoid this :D [11:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:04] i think it still remains 3. i had a CC1G at the datacenter, 3 reallocated sectors in 259 hours.. then i wrote zero's, smart'd it again and had 963 or 963 reallocated sectors. [11:04] bbl, off to work [11:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [11:05] Bop__ (i=1003@bl8-110-195.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:05] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl4-164-205.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Network is unreachable [11:06] mib_0chdlg (i=5961e889@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-465e5a15be58265c) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [11:06] jeev, RAW_VALUE is what the drive is currently reporting [11:08] ok [11:08] so the ones at the datacenter went berserk i guess [11:08] jeev, VALUE is the "normalized" value [11:09] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] okie dokie. any suggestions with the seagates? [11:09] i have no firmware upgrade for CC1H or CC1G [11:09] they may not be affected [11:10] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] you can double check the serial numbers at seagates site [11:10] heh, www.jeev.net/seagate.jpg [11:10] great [11:10] that one is definitely affected [11:10] my machine is the only one where word throws an VB exception [11:11] same .dot file, same input [11:11] I could puke [11:11] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:12] wipe the config :) [11:12] (or at least normal.dot) [11:12] hrm, good idea [11:13] Im thinking it could be the office 2007 update I did. Im using office 2003 still except outlook 2007 [11:13] no normal.dot -_- [11:14] perhaps an abnormal.dot? or weird.not (slightlyinsane.dot, medicated.dot)?? ;) [11:14] got it [11:14] trying again [11:14] hmmm, deltree /y C:\Documents\ And\ Settings ? [11:14] heh [11:15] no luck [11:15] jeev, I would double check seagates site for the drive firmware for those that haven't failed yet [11:15] it doesnt read the file correctly [11:15] this is insane [11:15] i've triple checked. [11:15] ProcessMonitor == good [11:15] jeev, try calling them? [11:16] they said it's not affected.. but someone on their forums say it is.. th ey're like dont believe what you see in the forum [11:16] they're severely down playing this issue [11:16] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:17] oh well [11:17] time to go home [11:17] see ya [11:17] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89B10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: ":wq" [11:18] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:19] jeev, in my experience they have been very good about getting the drives taken care of [11:19] not with these [11:20] for the couple disks we had that we couldn't firmware upgrade due to RAID array's, they shipped us new disks to swap out [11:20] they're terrible [11:21] sorry about you're luck :( [11:21] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:22] everyone is complainnig, l ike 80% failures [11:24] Is anybody working on the Slackware Book? [11:24] I'm just looking for some updates. [11:24] Well the status. [11:25] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Zozma (n=Winter@72-160-216-30.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] bbl [11:28] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) left irc: "Erp. So that's what kill %1 does!" [11:28] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [11:35] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host220-75-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "brb" [11:35] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) left irc: "Leaving" [11:43] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:46] hi if I have the normal installed slackware it is possible to connect to it via ssh [12:46] I mean what service must be run on the second side ? [12:47] sure [12:47] 1. enable shh daemon on your slackbox [12:47] 2. connect to it. if on the 2nd side is windows - you may use Putty [12:47] if *nix - ssh client from the terminal:) [12:47] Lexus1: how to run ssh daemon ? [12:48] as root: [12:48] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [12:48] the easy way, I think, is by going to 'services' in pkgtools [12:48] erase that, what Lexus1 said is easier [12:48] and don't forget to configure your firewall rules to enable incoming ssh [12:49] I guess in a standard installation there's no firewall enabled at all [12:49] ohh seems my colegue will not be able to do it so easy ;) [12:50] reallove: no relly ? [12:50] ok but the last problem is I don't have the public ip [12:51] paul424: really:) [12:51] i've just mentioned about firewall because i didn't know if you have one [12:51] hmm I think the computers share the common WAN ... but wait shouldn't the reversedns identify that ? [12:52] Lexus1: ? [12:53] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:54] hmm also is there any communitor I could run between two machines [12:55] I mean by default [12:55] mm [12:56] so.. that computer is behind gate? [12:56] does the second box have a public ip ? [12:57] Lexus1: don't know ...hmm probebly no ........ they share the same dns postfix uni.wroc.pl that's all I know. [12:57] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-176-178-179.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:29] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:30] Nick change: PiterPun1 -> PiterPunk [13:30] macman_ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [13:30] hey all [13:30] anyone good at tcpdump ? [13:31] i want to record flash objects with tcpdump .. any ideas ? [13:31] othermindszine (n=othermin@159.sub-70-193-20.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] i doubt you'd know what a flash object would look like without actually inspecting every packet [13:32] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Necos: so say a flash movie is playing right .. want to capture the whole thing with tcpdump [13:32] looks like threre a shellium channel here for this [13:33] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] I wish there was a header file database [13:33] I'm trying to find frigging ez.h and google is making me angry [13:34] macman_: you'd have to capture all packets coming from that host [13:35] Necos: thats fine [13:35] Guess I tracked it to ez kit, I'm trying to compile some real time sound analizers [13:36] tcpdump -i eth0 -p -s 0 -w file.tcpdump -v tcp src port 1935 <-- that look right ? [13:36] othermindszine (n=othermin@159.sub-70-193-20.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] othermindszine (n=othermin@159.sub-70-193-20.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [13:37] I search for ez.h with "'s and it finds ez-h [13:39] that's fine macman_ [13:39] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [13:41] but i'm not sure the port is 1935 lol [13:41] you shouldn't port filter your results [13:41] just capture everything [13:44] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-129-65.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] tamascsabi (n=tamascsa@catv-80-99-137-117.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [13:47] tamascsabi (n=tamascsa@catv-80-99-137-117.catv.broadband.hu) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [13:47] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@talisker.c3sl.ufpr.br) joined ##slackware. [13:47] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@talisker.c3sl.ufpr.br) left ##slackware. [13:51] Nick change: KnightWhoSaysNi -> BlackKnight [13:53] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] lol BlackKnight [13:55] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.130.36) joined ##slackware. [14:01] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.103) joined ##slackware. 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My router is not on this list. http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/STM/cmvp/documents/140-1/140val-all.htm [14:51] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:56] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [14:57] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:57] hey all [14:58] hey compl3x. How are you? [14:58] firebird619: Good yourself? [14:59] compl3x: doing very well, thanks. [14:59] Awesome [14:59] hmm pidgin won't let me sign in with msn :/ [14:59] I added a new wireless card and its wlan1 instead of wlan0 now - could that be the issue? [15:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:00] gregsparc_ (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [15:00] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:00] alice_ (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:01] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [15:01] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [15:01] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:01] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:02] Any suggestions? [15:02] compl3x: remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and after reboot you will have a wlan0 again [15:03] cheers alienBOB :) [15:03] compl3x: and what release of pidgin/Slackware are you running? [15:03] Pidgin 2.5.1 from a slackbuild and current [15:04] 2.5.1 is kinda old [15:04] maybe you should upgrade to the latest 2.5.5 [15:04] I wasn't to fussed - just grabbed it from alienBOB's slackbuilds [15:05] Mine is old enough not to have the updates after Microsoft changed the protocol for MSN.. [15:05] ah right [15:05] And pidgin is *part of* Slackware. [15:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.45) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Yeah I realise [= didn't check the version before grabbing it tho [15:06] ill try this out - then grab a new version of pidgin [15:06] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:06] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "brb - [=" [15:06] My package was needed at the time because the Slackware version did not accept SSL certificate from my Jabber server [15:06] Hi alienBOB, how are you today? [15:06] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [15:06] But Slackware's pidgin was patched for that and now I do not need my rebuilt package anymore [15:07] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] firebird619: good evening, working hard on an updated VLC package [15:07] ah, nice. I use your vlc builds, they work very well. [15:07] anyone know how to sniff rtmp or flv sites ? [15:08] Action: aperturefever is sending good karma to alienBOB for success [15:08] macman_: you mean get a copy of streaming flv's ? [15:08] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] antiwire: yes [15:09] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] macman_: there are plugings / addons for firefox that do that [15:09] hmm.. [15:09] just search for Download helper [15:09] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [15:09] that's one of them [15:09] antiwire: i have a lot but i can never catch rtmp [15:10] aperturefever: well the package is already done (http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/vlc/pkg/12.2/) but I need to build another version of it that excludes codecs that are non-redistributable in the US (because I can upload that to slackware.com/~alien) [15:10] back - cheers alienBOB - worked [= [15:10] sweetness [15:11] antiwire: anything else [15:11] macman_: you could try playing the video URL in VLC and telling VLC to save a copy [15:12] alienBOB: sweet! Ill give it a try asap [15:12] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [15:12] aperturefever: I've built 1.0.0.pre2 - I am done with 0.9.x, it has too many flaws and stuff breaks with every new release [15:12] Did pidgin used to be gaim? [15:12] Yes [15:13] AOL gave them a cease and desist [15:13] haha [15:13] for the AIM in GAIM [15:13] AOL are still alive? :o [15:14] Haven't had any free cd's in years ]= haha [15:14] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:14] stillborn (n=blow_my_@YKCDLXXXVII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [15:15] alienBOB: You running pidgin 2.5.5 on current? [15:15] antiwire: any luck with the freeradius? [15:16] I am running whatever is in -current. But not right now [15:16] chopp: nah, i got side tracked and my motivation hinges on the kernel [15:16] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-71-241-211-201.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] But I was logged into MSN (microsoft live) using pidgin in -current yesterday [15:16] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. 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[15:21] antiwire: know any bigger apps [15:21] macman_: it works fairly well, sometimes you have to start playing the clips before it will pick them out [15:21] firebird619: I am good :) [15:21] BP{k} Ah cool - will give it a shot - [15:23] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:23] firebird619: how are you? [15:24] my keg-er-ator broke! [15:24] BP{k}: doing great, Thank you. [15:24] hm. if I had been the GAIM developer I'd have renamed it to GIMA or GIAM or something... where the A doesn't stand for AOL [15:24] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie. [15:24] hey Old_One :) [15:24] how can I be expected to work in the garden if the ker-er-ator breaks [15:24] ! [15:24] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [15:24] hahah, hello all [15:25] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.103) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:25] How are you Old_Fogie? [15:25] lousy! [15:25] Pidgin plugin directory anyone? [15:26] firebird619, but other then my keg machine, I'm doing ok. how you is? [15:26] oh dw my bad [15:26] Old_Fogie: I is great. Thanks. :) [15:26] compl3x: if you just inspect the package you'll find everything it creates [15:26] antiwire: cheers :) just found that out [= [15:26] just hope my whole keg of heinekan dont go bad [15:26] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:27] errorveloper, I see. [15:27] Action: firebird619 hopes for Old_Fogie's keg of heineken to not go bad. :) [15:27] Segmentation Fault! [15:27] antwire: Make / make install ...? [15:28] firebird619, yeah that's alcohol abuse in my book [15:28] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [15:28] :) [15:29] hm, heineken's even a good choice for working outdoors [15:30] fairly light, won't sit at the bottom of your gut and curdle in the hot sun [15:30] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:30] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@YMKCDXLIV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] mercfate (n=chatzill@srvinternet.cometais.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Zozma (n=Winter@72-160-216-30.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:32] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC02D95.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:33] Urchlay, I'll say. I dug up a ton of dirt, was about to have a cold one, before putting the lime and other "Old_Fogie gardening trademark secret ingredients" into the soil...and the compressors shot. [15:33] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.239) joined ##slackware. [15:35] mercfate (n=chatzill@srvinternet.cometais.com.br) left ##slackware. [15:35] secret ingredients.. waste product from the cold one? [15:35] Anyone got msn-peacan running? [15:36] pi31415, right on! [15:36] with pidgin.. [15:36] I just got a sense of deja-vu, have we discussed gardening in here before? [15:37] could be, I love gardening [15:37] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] alienBOB: I had webcam live streaming issues with 0.9.x. Works great with new package! No crashing at all :) [15:38] mmm shower time [15:38] beer's also a good "secret" ingredient in chili [15:38] last batch I made also had a shot of tequila and half a cup of coffee [15:38] in chilli huh, hmmm that sounds interesting. [15:38] beers good in everything duh [15:39] +1 to that [15:39] it's not good in a broken ked-o-rator (wipes eyes) [15:39] s/keg [15:39] is it something you have any hope of fixing yourself, or does it have to be replaced? [15:39] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [15:40] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host254-8-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:40] (from my point of view, it's a hardware problem, and I'm a software guy...) [15:40] Urchlay, nah it's an old scroll compressor. I don't have any of them parts. If I did I could fix it, but it's a sealed assembly. I could evacuate it but it's under warranty anyhow, with a service contract, ti's just getting them over here is the pita. [15:41] not really one of them things you keep spares on. you usually have some sign of the compressor issues. [15:41] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [15:42] sounds like the air conditioner here. Apparently the compressor's shot and it'll take $1200 to have it replaced [15:42] I even used a growler on it, no opens in the wiring, no shorts. the motor side is good, it's the compressor itself. [15:42] Why is it - when a women phones you- and you miss the phone call, when you phone them back they are no where near a phone [15:42] (and that $1200 quote is from a friend who's giving us a good deal) [15:42] Urchlay, is that for the house? [15:42] compl3x: probably a quantum effect, relating to the strangeness and charm of the woman in question [15:42] compl3x: lol, cuz they're upset you didn't anwswer, so they don't want to talk to you? :P [15:42] compl3x well it's that or it's busy [15:43] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:43] Old_Fogie: yah. Currently getting by with window and attic fans. [15:43] Hey nille_, how are you? [15:43] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [15:43] haha: Urchlay: yeah sounds about right :p [15:44] i'm fine thanks and you? [15:44] Urchlay, because "most" residential a/c units are 10 year compressor warranty from the company that makes the compressor itself, not who you bought it from ...but..and here's the kicker.. *you* had to be the one to buy it, not "it came with the house" [15:44] nille_: doing great, thank you. [15:44] firebird619: If theyre always upset -with what your saying - would of they even rang in the first place [15:44] Old_Fogie: AFAIK, it did come with the house [15:44] shit [15:44] oops [15:44] :D [15:44] Channel flood from Old_Fogie -- kicking [15:44] you get my drift [15:44] Old_Fogie kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:44] what is a scroll compressor? it does not sound like computer equipment. [15:44] and looking at it, I'd guess it's older than 10 years [15:44] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:44] hahaha, good one Old_Fogie. :D [15:44] oh a/c I guess.... [15:44] d4vidc: no, it's beer equipment [15:44] slackboy, don't make me take my belt off up in here [15:44] Old_Fogie: good work. [15:44] haha [15:45] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.17.82) joined ##slackware. [15:45] slackboy, cuz I'll bootstrap yo' ass :) [15:45] Old_Fogie: Leave it on :p for all our sakes :p [15:45] compl3x, hahaha [15:45] I like to make rejuvelac but not beer unless it is non-alcoholic [15:45] ++ [15:45] Action: firebird619 is glad I'm not slackboy. :P [15:45] aperturefever: good news about that vlc result, thanks for telling! [15:45] s/I'm/he's [15:45] Action: compl3x thinks firebird619 secretly wish's they were slackboy [15:45] heh, you could get a job as an anti-stripper. You come out on stage naked and people pay you to put clothes on [15:45] :O [15:46] Urchlay: Stop stop XD [15:46] Urchlay, hey that's a retirement thought [15:46] :) [15:46] Pays good. [15:46] So I hear. [15:46] sounds like one hell of a job that :p [15:46] I'll have to ask straterra to send me the stratroll gear tho. [15:47] Anyone want to donate a hardrive to me XD [15:47] the regular kind of stripper makes a ton o' money. Knew a guy who did it, he told me he made between $700 and $1000 a night... but his audience was mostly guys. Ugh. [15:47] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:47] rworkman: ping? [15:47] Old_Fogie: mostly guys? :O Ugh indeed. [15:48] Hey macavity, how's it going? [15:48] olefowdie (n=Ford@74.176.178.179) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Urchlay: Guys - can't be that bad surley :p [15:48] me no way, I dont swing both ways [15:48] surely* [15:48] Old_Fogie: So only guys? haha [15:48] a male straight stripper stripping for males? [15:48] heh [15:48] lol [15:48] har har hardee har har [15:48] antiwire: I don't think he was exactly straight though [15:48] ah [15:48] well then it's understandable [15:49] For a guy to strip to guys - Cause he wasnt straight [15:49] no one is eaxctly straight coz no one these days can afford to think 'staright' [15:49] wouldn't even call him bi... more like "omnisexual"... anything he thought he could bone, he'd try to [15:49] if he comfortably stripped for guys, he was far from straight. [15:49] olefowdie (n=Ford@74.176.178.179) left ##slackware. [15:49] Urchlay: including like those guys in the news caught with a mailbox and a park bench? [15:50] not true, it's not gay if there's money involved. especially if it's cold, dark and wet outside and you *really* need the ride [15:50] (if we ever get visited by weird looking aliens I expect this guy would cause an interstellar incident...) [15:50] Old_Fogie: it might not be gay but you'll certainly need therapy later [15:50] haha [15:50] lol [15:51] $1000 a night - meh im not picky [15:51] as long as theres no touchy touchy [15:52] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.130.36) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:52] awkward haha [15:53] sedward [15:54] :p [15:54] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:55] lol [15:57] N3mZ (i=501@unaffiliated/nemesis128) left irc: "§" [15:58] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:58] othermindszine (n=othermin@159.sub-70-193-20.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [16:04] How is everybody today? [16:05] terrible [16:06] really? [16:06] dunno [16:08] Hi bhodgins, how are you? [16:08] pretty good [16:14] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:165) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:165) left irc: Client Quit [16:18] besides that i am pissed with the Intel people for sacking backwards compatibility, and the xorg people for shooting their own foot with libxcb/xcb-xlib, i am pretty good :P [16:18] othermindszine (n=othermin@143.sub-70-192-18.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:19] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:19] :D good to hear your doing pretty good macavity. [16:19] nophis_ (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [16:21] I spent all day trying to sort out one of my own mash up pc's - It has an IDE dvd drive and boots the slackware disc - however refuses to find the drive when installing slackware [16:21] othermindszine (n=othermin@143.sub-70-192-18.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:21] othermindszine (n=othermin@143.sub-70-192-18.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] how many bytes should i zero a sata2 1.5tb hd with ? [16:21] othermindszine (n=othermin@143.sub-70-192-18.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:21] So I had to put the packages on a memory stick and use them - then when that decided to work - lilo would install so I was left with a random pile of crap [16:22] othermindszine (n=othermin@143.sub-70-192-18.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:22] lilo wouldnt * [16:22] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] compl3x, A lesson in the virtues of doing network installs. I don't remember the last time I actually installed Slack from a physical disc [16:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425785.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:23] doesnt . mean "any number of chars" in sed?!? [16:23] MS3FGX: Hmm Never have the patience to set it up [16:23] eg, sed s/:.// should remove the : and anything after it? [16:23] MS3FGX: So I just use a disk - the only thing the dvd drives for tbh [16:26] nm.. cut was much better for the job! [16:26] compl3x, Not much to set up now with recent Slack installers. You can now install from HTTP/FTP/SMB in addition to the old NFS standard. [16:27] So you could even share the Slack DVD out from a Windows box and install that way. [16:27] MS3FGX: What do you initially boot of tho? [16:28] Could do USB or PXE. In your case the installer started, so you could even have just pointed that to a networked share. [16:28] Hmm - I would eventually like to have a server setup to distribute to my pc's- ideally PXE [16:28] Personally, I have a script that strips out all the packages from the -current tree, just leaving me with an ISO that has the initrd, kernels, and installer. It is like 60 MB [16:29] Boot to that, and pull the rest down from the server. [16:29] configuring PXE seems like hell tho - from what ive seen [16:30] It's easy compl3x [16:30] haha just googled and found your page on wiki alienBOB [16:31] DanBadJar (n=danbadja@host165-59-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:31] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Connection timed out [16:31] PXE is the best [16:31] it is [16:31] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe gets a lot of hits yes [16:31] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-101.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] that PXE install was so easy i hosted pxe/dhcpd off a freebsd server [16:31] and it took 1 try. [16:31] pxe for freebsd was HELL when i had to install fbsd on another box. [16:31] DanBadJar (n=danbadja@host165-59-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [16:31] nice [= [16:32] slack pxe has been the easiest thing in my life [16:32] gPXE is really nice if your machine/NIC doesn't have native support. [16:33] I.E. you can create a PXE boot floppy to install on old hardware [16:33] alienBOB: is there a way to show progress on your mirror script? - or is it just run and wait [16:34] Oh! I want to hack the server side of pxe to forward to external hosts so that I can boot off of my servers :D [16:34] for fun [16:35] floyy_ (n=floyy@unaffiliated/floyy) joined ##slackware. [16:35] compl3x: add "-v" [16:35] ah cool [16:35] when i try to build a pkg that uses the qyoto bindings, it can't find them. however, they are supposed to be in kdebindings. does slack not have them in there? [16:36] Or run it with "-h" to see all the other options [16:36] alienBOB: Yeah I have done - just I thought I ran it with V before and turns out I didn't :p [16:37] Floops (n=baihu@shellium/member/floops) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-247-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:38] dont you hate when you type (command --help) then it says "type --help-all" you type (command --help) and it says "see man command" so you (man command) and it says "see info command if your site admin gave you info" so you (info command) and it says "google it you noob" [16:39] heh [16:39] I know we all been there :) [16:39] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.239) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:39] something I was messing with the other day, --help told you to run --show-usage to see the actual options [16:39] macman_ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:40] yeah, it's amuzing to put it kindly [16:40] by itself --help showed the program name, authors' names, and a chunk of the GPL. Supremely useless. [16:40] hahah [16:40] and it didn't support --version at all [16:40] I'm sure one day, I'll type (command --help) and it'll have an ascii middle finger. [16:40] Floops (n=baihu@irus.balgus.info) joined ##slackware. [16:40] I have used a few apps where the man pages were just "man page needs to be written". Thanks. [16:41] yeah. With the text "Help this!" at the bottom [16:41] MS3FGX, oh that would set me off [16:42] least favorite app I'm currently dealing with is the Doomsday doom engine. If you pass it invalid options, it doesn't give you an error or warning or anything, just ignores them... so you never know if you typo'ed something [16:42] floyy_ (n=floyy@unaffiliated/floyy) left irc: [16:42] Some forward thinking design going on there. [16:43] it comes with a craptastic ubuntard man page that documents about 10% of the options, and about 1/3 of what it says no longer applies to the current version [16:43] if anyone want to know which packages that has to be rebuild when we switch to the new xcb based xorg, here is how: find / -name "*.la" -print0 | xargs -0 grep "xcb-xlib.la" | cut -d : -f 1 | cut -d \/ -f1 --complement | grep -l-f - /var/log/packages/* | uniq | sort | cut -d \/ -f 5 [16:43] who writes a man page and consistently uses "/user/share" in his examples? (does any OS at all have a /user dir?) [16:44] sort then uniq [16:44] Urchlay, Oh, that sounds sort of like BlueZ then [16:44] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: [16:45] really? I don't remember anything in the bluez docs being outright wrong, just confusing, and I assumed that was because I know nothing at all about bluetooth [16:45] alienBOB: Does the mirror script only use rsync? [16:45] rsync mirrors* [16:45] Yes [16:45] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [16:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-247-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] d4vidc (n=d@dynamic-66-243-245-170.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:46] Any way to test the speed of an rsync mirror before I mirror? [16:46] The 3.x isn't too bad, but 4.x is murder. Even the documentation that comes in the tarball is inaccurate more often than not [16:46] r-tz (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [16:46] compl3x, I think you surpassed your 3 question limit, please input $0.25 for 3 more questions. [16:46] ah, I'm still on 3.x, not running -current [16:46] :) [16:47] haha XD [16:47] Action: compl3x inserts $0.50 ;) [16:47] Old_Fogie: if he puts a quarter in one of the slots on the front of his PC and catches it on fire, will that make you feel bad? [16:47] ...or will you laugh your ass off? [16:47] you have to ask? [16:47] :) [16:48] Dont have slots on the front of my tower -so yeah *smug look* [16:48] haha reminds me of that rm -rf / noobfarm quote [16:48] there used to be a phone number in my area code that you could dial and get the "The call you have made requires a 25-cent deposit" recording... I used to call-forward my number to it when I didn't want to be bothered [16:48] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:49] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-201915.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:49] always wondered if anybody ever tried stuffing a quarter inside their regular phone [16:49] :p [16:50] Urchlay: I'm sure there's some out there that did. "Where's the friggen quarter slot" [16:50] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Urchlay, I do remember, many a hotel on business travels, that were in the hotel room, and had slots for you to put your dime in [16:50] well, then quarters later on :) [16:51] They stopped doing that because dinosaurs had a difficult time handling dimes. [16:51] joo funny [16:51] :) [16:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] but I always made sure to have spare change, get that bed moving too :) [16:52] It is amazing to me to think back on how it used to be the norm to actually pay for phone use on a call-by-call basis. It seems so crazy now. [16:52] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:52] why we still pay for women that way [16:52] I remember the first cell phone I had, I forgot what year. But it was like 45 cents a minute at all times [16:52] oh the joys of 0800 REVERSE over in the uk [16:52] old_fogie: what, with nickles and dimes? [16:53] pi31415, :) [16:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:53] MS3FGX, yeah and the phones were monstrous too [16:53] I had a briefcase phone in the early 80's [16:53] that doesn't seem so crazy, but having to pay the internet per minute definitely does ;) [16:53] Used to have to dial an operator with it, from the car no less :) [16:54] Yeah, this one was a slight step up from the old briefcase models. [16:54] Camarade_Tux, There was also a time were paying to use the phone and the Internet were one in the same. [16:54] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-144-112-117.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] we got dsl about ten years ago I think :) [16:55] :| [16:55] s/ten/eight/ [16:56] we only got it around 2004/2005 [16:56] we had 1mbit cable about 10 years ago [16:56] r-tz (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: "ta leme" [16:56] maan [16:56] Action: Camarade_Tux stabs macavity [16:56] I was a relatively late adopter for broadband. So it really wasn't all that long ago I was on 56k, but man it seems like ancient history [16:56] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [16:57] I have been reading the Best of 2600 recently, and a good deal of it is geared towards phone hacking and the early days of the Internet. It is like reading an ancient scroll, but it is really not much more than a decade for some of it [16:57] MS3FGX: my first "trip to cyberspace" was on windows 3.11 + 36.6kbps modem to the local BBS [16:58] hm.. thats 15 years ago :P [16:58] well, today's cellphones are muuuuch faster than dial-up :) [16:59] I remember those hotel-room phones [16:59] i loved using bbs over telnet as opposed to dialing in to it [16:59] they looked like a regular phone that someone had inflated like a balloon [16:59] 3G on my phone is considerably faster than my first DSL line. Incredible [16:59] MS3FGX: and what is the reality then? [16:59] straterra: I miss dialling straight into a UNIX box and running a shell over the serial port [16:59] MS3FGX: that the 3G fscker never delivers? :P [17:00] i dont miss that [17:00] ran slirp on the remote end, so could use my dialup shell as a dialup PPP when I wanted to [17:00] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-138-59.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. 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When I run it, the fluxbox windows are not restored. [17:52] Zozma_ (n=Winter@98-125-98-130.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] kernel.org replied to me about slackware mirroring [17:54] they'll consider it once they free up space [17:54] ;) [17:55] goodboy leroy [17:55] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425785.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:57] rworkman or alienBOB ping [17:57] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.106.15) joined ##slackware. [17:58] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-138-59.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:59] Winter__ (n=Winter@98.125.123.217) joined ##slackware. [18:00] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:03] jeev, ? kernel.org will mirror slackware ? [18:05] roorah_ (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [18:05] they are considerig [18:05] or will consider [18:05] i'm talking to ftpadmin now. [18:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:07] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:08] dios2 (i=test@88.236.179.188) joined ##slackware. [18:09] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:09] BitchX EOL notice <-- ? [18:09] Zozma (n=Winter@98-125-98-168.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. 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[18:21] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [18:22] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "êîãäà ÿ óìåð íåáûëî íèêîãî, êòî áû ýòî îïðîâåðã" [18:22] madplay? [18:23] sorry.. that is cli [18:23] dw [= [18:24] I can only think of cmus [18:24] grep mp3 /var/log/packages/* [18:24] .. doesnt look good :P [18:24] haha [18:24] Im probs gonna go for cmus [18:25] dont tell him about mp3blaster, thats a secret [18:25] ok, i wont [18:25] Action: macavity hushes all up [18:26] Pig_Pen: Had it on the tip of my tongue - was googling sound blaster for the past 10 minutes haha [18:26] cheers [= [18:26] enjot [18:26] y [18:26] andthenIwaslike (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:26] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.239) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:26] andthenIwaslike (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) left ##slackware. [18:28] amazon10x_ (i=1000@sutopia.student.umd.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:28] hello [18:28] Zozma (n=Winter@98-125-98-168.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:28] hey amazon10x [18:28] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-101.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:29] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-130.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [18:29] i'm trying to setup radeonhd for my ati card. previously i had an nvidia card and then i was using fglrx with this card and now i want radeonhd [18:29] so i pulled it from git and set it up [18:30] and when i startx i get graphics and kde starts to load but then it crashes and complains about libGLcore.so.1 [18:30] hmm.. [18:30] so i created a symlink for that and now it complains about libnvidia-tls.so.1 [18:30] so nothing to rip or find rtmp streaming video right ? [18:30] so it seems that there is some remnant of the nvidia driver still left but i can't seem to find it [18:30] i tried reinstalling the xorg-server package too [18:30] amazon10x_: Did you remove the nvidia driver stuff before instaling radeonhd stuff? [18:31] i had to remove the nvidia stuff before i setup the fglrx stuff [18:31] and i had fglrx working then i removed it [18:31] but it seems that something is left from nvidia [18:31] amazon10x_: How did you install the nvidia drivers? [18:31] amazon10x_: Also, did you change the driver in xorg.conf? [18:31] with that standard package from nvidias site [18:31] yes, i changed it in xorg.conf [18:32] I'm not familiar with what the driver from nvidia's site, I used the one at slackbuilds.org. [18:32] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] amazon10x_: Where, what, is complaining about the libnvidia-tls.so.1 file? [18:33] when i startx, it shows the graphical display at the proper resolution and kde starts to load but then it drops back to a terminal and says: [18:33] ksmserver: error while loading shared libraries: libnvidia-tls.so.1 [18:34] amazon10x_: How did you remove the nvidia stuff? [18:35] i believe the package has an uninstall option which i used [18:35] Well, it isn't a package, but yes, it has an uninstaller. [18:35] right, it's not a package in the slackware sense of the word [18:36] Zozma_ (n=Winter@98.125.123.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] amazon10x_: so, as root, you ran nvidia-uninstall or nvidia-installer --uninstall? [18:38] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: "Leaving." [18:38] yeah [18:38] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] amazon10x_: Also, you said you had an nvidia card, and now are using this ati card. You took the nvidia card out, is it built-in to the motherboard, or what? [18:39] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host55-76-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "notte" [18:39] ummm. it's built in, but i have it disabled in bios [18:42] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:43] the nvidia is embedded on the motherboard and you disabled it? [18:43] and you want to use an ATI, PCI, AGP or PCIe card? [18:45] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:46] eddie_grey (n=eddie@189.114.195.25.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:46] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:47] yes [18:47] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [18:47] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:48] neskat (i=865301e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bf05d824147b5b01) joined ##slackware. [18:48] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:48] 10.2 was the last version of slack worth talking about [18:48] 11 was suckky [18:48] pretty much broke everything [18:48] hmm [18:49] well, i dont have an ATI card but if installing those is anything like nvidia's driver then it will want to see the kernel source in /usr/src/ so you might want to install that package if you are using the stock kernel, if you build your own kernel then you will NOT want to delete the source after installing the kernel [18:49] neskat (i=865301e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bf05d824147b5b01) left ##slackware. [18:49] neskat: i been using slackware since version 8.0 and loved every one [18:50] well i'm not trying to use the fglrx driver anymore; i'm trying to use radeonhd [18:53] wha? [18:53] amazon10x_: what about radeonhd? [18:54] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-72-47-14-178.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] i'm just having an issue when i try to startx and use that. it crashes and complains about an nvidia library [18:55] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) joined ##slackware. [18:55] you ummm... screwed the pooch there.... you were using the nvidia drivers before (for an nvdia card)? [18:55] yes [18:55] look at /etc/xorg.conf maybe nvidia is still set to be the driver [18:55] no, it's set to radeonhd [18:56] did you uninstall it first? [18:56] yes [18:56] it overwrites your mesa libs [18:59] ok [18:59] that's interesting [18:59] brb; trying something [18:59] heh, Windows Server 2003 default configuration allows you to run a .vbs script from Scheduled Tasks as a non-Administrator user, but not a .bat script. [18:59] amazon10x_ (i=1000@sutopia.student.umd.edu) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:59] fun! [18:59] hardcore security [19:00] http://support.microsoft.com/kb/867466 [19:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [19:00] rofl [19:00] fear it man, fear it... [19:00] heh quad core q6600 - and I can't even create an iso with lagging up my pc [19:01] compl3x: sounds like a disk / pci bus issue [19:01] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:01] pi31415: why pci?/disk? [19:03] compl3x: if you are running out of IO, then more disks or more channels might help separate the work and keep the system more responsive. [19:03] hmm only have a wireless card in the pci [19:04] really need a new harddrive tbh [19:04] I bet you have more than that on the PCI bus [19:04] yeah probably [19:04] one of windows users biggest flaws is millions and even billions of users run as admin 24/7/365 and all it takes is one clever cracker to remotely root it [19:05] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] join #slackbuilds [19:06] lol [19:06] ok [19:06] lol [19:07] epic fail [19:07] indeed :P [19:07] hehe [19:07] haha [19:08] tecky (n=guest@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [19:11] amazon10x_ (i=1000@sutopia.student.umd.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:11] okay, so i tried removing xorg-xserver [19:11] and then i nuked all of /usr/lib/xorg [19:11] and then i installed xorg-xserver again and install drm and radeon hd from git [19:12] and it complains about libGLcore.so.1 missing [19:12] eddie_grey (n=eddie@189.114.195.25.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:13] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-130.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:13] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-29.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [19:13] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [19:14] laters guys :) [19:15] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [19:18] install mesa (maybe) [19:19] amazon10x_: ok, you stuck your head in a hornets nest.. [19:19] amazon10x_: first of, if you attempt to run git versions of drm/xorg/radeonhd/etc you need a .29 kernel [19:20] its a mess, we get that in here on occasion [19:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-247-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] amazon10x_: seccondly, to sucessfully build a reasonably working new xorg stack, odds are that you need to recompile 77 packages all in all.... [19:20] dont feel bad or like you are the only one, when i first started using slackware i made a mess out of my system a few times, but i learned since then, i rarely make a mess anymore [19:21] macavity: bummer. i was hoping i'd be able to just swap in the new radeonhd driver and be done with it [19:21] amazon10x_: find / -name "*.la" -print0 | xargs -0 grep "xcb-xlib.la" | cut -d : -f 1 | cut -d \/ -f1 --complement |grep -l -f - /var/log/packages/* | uniq | sort | cut -d \/ -f 5 [19:22] amazon10x_: *those* are the packages that needs rebuilding.... 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[19:26] amazon10x_: that is the bruteforce method that will get it working again... a little overkill if you ask me, but none the less an approach that will get you out of the tight spot [19:26] well i'll be darned; reinstalled mesa and it works :P [19:26] thanks a bunch for your help, guys [19:26] amazon10x_: wait [19:27] /girls (just in case) [19:27] rather walk an extra mile than be left behind on the side of the road without any shoes [19:27] amazon10x_: what about all the modules you nuked? [19:27] oh, there was probably some stuff in that xorg folder... heh [19:27] /usr/lib/xorg contains quite a few things... [19:27] slackpkg reinstall x will get it all back though? [19:27] yup [19:27] dont for get to pick a mirror in /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf [19:28] .. and generally read the manpage and what not ;-) [19:28] juice (i=1000@67.48.19.62) joined ##slackware. [19:28] sure sure [19:29] i mean, could i really do any more damage? :P [19:29] macavity: don't you set a mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors by uncommenting? [19:29] amazon10x_: probably. :P [19:29] firebird619: yes [19:29] hmm, that xorg folder definitely had the mouse and kbd module in it [19:29] ftp.slackware.no seems to be fast no matter where in the world you are [19:29] lol [19:29] let me fix that [19:29] ... [19:30] i usually just grab a .edu mirror [19:30] internet2 and all that... [19:30] rather walk an extra mile in your half broken shoes than be left behind on the side of the road without any shoes [19:30] what i need to do is to get my school to setup a slack mirror; that'd be nice [19:30] amazon10x_: are you done being a cleaver guy now, and instead go looking in /var/log/packages/* when there is something that *should* have been on the system, but its not? [19:30] osuosl and tds are about the best two US mirrors [19:30] amazon10x_: that will show you what package it came with (before it got nuked by some ugly peice of poison wear) [19:31] Action: macavity farts in nVidias general direction [19:31] hey, that came to me [19:31] yeah, i couldn't find out how to see what's in all the packages on slack. i knew how to do it on debian though but couldn't find the slack way [19:32] amazon10x_: slackbook.org [19:33] amazon10x_: /var/log/packages/* holds a description and a file list for each package. /var/log/scripts/* holds a list of how all the symlinks were made [19:33] ahhh [19:33] file list for each package. that's what i needed [19:33] PaddyMac (n=Pat@dialup-4.153.203.133.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] oh wow. this is a lot of packages for x. bummer [19:34] at least i didn't have to just nuke all of slack and start over [19:35] amazon10x_: there is no point in bringing a knife to a fist fight if you happen to have a sword or a fire axe ;-) [19:36] man, i remember the windows days. something would break and no one knew wtf was going on. i would end up reinstalling every 3-9 months [19:36] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) left irc: "leaving" [19:37] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:37] hahahahahaha [19:37] if you keep treating slackware like it was windows, you will end up re-installing every 3-9 *weeks* [19:37] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:37] weeks? macavity, surely you're too conservative in your estimate [19:38] 3-9 hours is more like it [19:38] well, i'm doing alright so far. this is really the only time that i've had an issue because of this crazy driver fiasco of nvidia-fglrx->radeonhd [19:38] i dont want to bring the kids spirit down right off the bat ;-) [19:39] amazon10x_: both of the afore mentioned binary poison blobs hose your system if you dont know what you are doing [19:39] now don't make me go download that windows 7 RC :P [19:39] amazon10x_: i can reccomend that, if you absolutely insist on using them, use the slackbuilds.org repackage method.. then at least they can be cleanly removed [19:39] yeah, i had no idea that there was a SB for those drivers otherwise i would've used them [19:40] and i wouldn't have touched fglrx from the start if my card was supported by the oss drivers [19:40] but now that they added support and i got this issue cleared up, it should be smooth sailing [19:40] uhm... [19:40] until you want to fix the next problem that comes up [19:40] radeon[hd] is still a WIP [19:40] WIP? [19:41] work in progress [19:41] Work In Progress [19:41] i track both the xorg and mesa lists.. and things are in a bit of a flux [19:41] ahh [19:41] makerc (n=makerc@189-18-58-221.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:41] i will be rather suprised if you actually manage to compile a recent hadeonhd driver on slackware 12.x [19:41] i did :D [19:42] and it is working? [19:42] well, i loaded up X and got through all of kde loading [19:42] i won't be able to do a decent test until this reinstall of x finishes though [19:42] i followed the directions at x.org/wiki/radeonhd and it was pretty painless [19:42] nice.. the radeon people have more good sense than the Intel people then [19:42] run glxgears in full screen or in a maximized window and tell us what you get [19:43] the only pitfall i found was that i had to get a newer libdrm, but that was a simple git clone;make;makeinstall [19:43] the Intel people are slicing and dicing right now.. :-/ [19:43] amazon10x_: what version of libdrm? [19:43] git [19:43] Action: macavity looks what is in git master [19:44] alright, the x reinstall finished. are there any kernel modules or anything that i need to reload? [19:44] huh.. why the heck didn't that bomb out on dri2proto?!? [19:44] amazon10x_: just make sure all the fgrlx stuff is unloaded [19:45] amazon10x_: xorg will load the appropriate ones by itself [19:45] i ran the fglrx-uninstall and have rebooted since then so it should be good [19:45] good [19:45] try and see [19:45] PaddyMac (n=Pat@dialup-4.153.203.133.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:46] gotta make the brand shiny new radeonhd and drm first [19:47] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.106.15) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:48] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [19:54] macman_ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-3-89.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:57] PaddyMac (n=Pat@dialup-4.153.203.194.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] seems to be working [19:57] glxgears works [19:58] hmmm [19:59] Jean (n=jean@93-36-227-182.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:00] edwarent (n=edward@190.69.238.38) joined ##slackware. [20:00] goodboy leroy, you saved yourself from a complete reinstall [20:00] lol [20:01] now you just cant safely call slackpkg upgrade [20:01] just think of the mess it will do to your system if you happen to hit a drm or radeonhd upgrade ;-) [20:01] haha, yeah [20:01] so, next on your todo list is: how to build real packages by hand [20:01] i'll keep an eye on what it's upgrading [20:02] hints: makepkg(8) [20:02] and "DESTDIR=/tmp/my-package make install" :P [20:02] pretty dandy stuff, huh? :P [20:03] upgradepkg works nicely on home made packages too... [20:04] slacknode (i=1000@c-67-162-154-248.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] dangazda (i=dangazda@r2u84.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [20:07] dangazda (i=dangazda@r2u84.net.upc.cz) left irc: Client Quit [20:07] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:07] makepkg ftw [20:08] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.19.39) joined ##slackware. [20:12] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:12] evening gentlemen [20:13] hello BP{k} :-) [20:14] good evening BP{k}. How are you? [20:14] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-19.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] macavity: howdy :) [20:14] firebird619: out of beer, dang it! :) [20:14] IntoTheVoid (n=sweetlea@cpe-77-83-218-188-dsl.netone.gr) left irc: [20:14] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [20:15] Oh no, that's not good BP{k}. [20:15] Hey MLanden. How's it going? [20:15] I' doing great. [20:15] s/I'/I'm [20:15] Goin' good thanks firebird619 [20:16] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] BP[k]: shops closed? sorry to hear of your beer outage [20:17] BP{k}: kethry on strike? [20:18] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:18] eeek.. TPB is overloaded! i can haz no sick sick prøøøøn!!! *sob* *sob* *sob* [20:18] lol [20:18] haha [20:19] MLanden: yeah, it's passed 01:00AM here. There are some 24/7 shops about 5 miles away, but I am too lazy to walk there in the middle of the night :) [20:19] **noes**,macavity [20:19] oh noes [20:19] BP{k}: Oh no, so you're out until tomorrow. Will you survive? [20:20] order it online! [20:20] online beer run? [20:20] gotta love technology. :P [20:20] firebird619: yeah, I am sure there is other types of $Booze around the home ;) [20:21] firebird619: we have that here [20:21] fear it man, fear it... [20:21] firebird619: "the netkiosk" :P [20:21] :D cool. I don't drink, but that's a neat option for those that do. [20:21] firebird619: pretty much the same as with pizza.. minimum order wage, and they bring anything you would normally find in a kiosk/liquerstore to your door [20:22] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:22] firebird619: i dont drink either.. but they do occationally stop by with cola and whatever :P [20:22] jlindsay (n=jlindsay@c-71-228-169-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:22] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:135) joined ##slackware. [20:22] :D I drink pop on occasion, otherwise I drink alot of water. [20:23] i keep my bar stocked with only one bottle, 190 proof everclear :D mixes with anything [20:23] there ya go,Pig_Pen...:D [20:23] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: "Leaving." [20:23] urxvt (i=1000@c-24-6-14-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] edwarent (n=edward@190.69.238.38) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:24] its too strong for house guests to want to drink much of it too, they usually quit after one drink [20:24] lol [20:24] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.10.87) joined ##slackware. [20:25] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:135) left irc: Client Quit [20:25] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:25] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:135) joined ##slackware. [20:26] http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/67/Wat.jpg [20:27] Pig_Pen: 190 proof... firewater lol [20:28] lol,Necos [20:28] its the strongest legal booze on the market [20:29] MLanden: for some reason, i just had to look that up lol [20:29] irc-cyber-gone-wrong [20:29] go with the flow,Necos lol [20:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol)#Availability_in_market_areas [20:29] not leagal in all 50 states [20:30] remind me never to go to Pig_Pen's place >.> [20:30] might try to take advantage of me in my drunken state... >.> [20:30] lol [20:30] lol "wat" [20:30] lol [20:31] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-5e98b33f9f22ad1d) joined ##slackware. [20:31] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] lol ^_^ [20:31] greetings and salutations [20:31] greetings andarius. How are you? [20:31] heya,andarius [20:31] PaddyMac (n=Pat@dialup-4.153.203.194.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:32] salutations MLanden [20:32] wotcha andarius :) [20:32] heya andarius [20:32] man.. KDE4 is really a lot easier on the CPU than 3.x [20:32] wotcha BP{k} :) [20:32] who would have thought :P [20:32] ah, wtf is this shit... [20:32] salutations Necos [20:32] you can only get 151 everclear in cali [20:32] macavity: not I, but that's nice to know. [20:33] gavin___ (n=gavin@wsip-70-166-89-41.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: [20:33] macavity: what's the cpu load been averaging at? [20:33] greetings andarius [20:33] salutations hitest [20:33] :) [20:34] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:34] lol [20:34] Anger of Animation 3 on youtube [20:36] macavity: very nice that KDE4 is easy on the CPU. I'm going to give KDE 4.2.2 a try on FreeBSD 7.2 (just finished burning the CDs) [20:36] us hillbillys in oklahoma can handle the stronger stuff since were already used to the homemade moonshine Necos [20:37] hitest: I have FreeBSD 7.2 with KDE4 in a VM. [20:37] cool [20:37] my mom's fam is from OK =p [20:37] how do you like it? [20:37] dad's is from louisiana... i think i got the alcohol covered [20:37] maybe I'll also try it in qemu first [20:38] Well, the mouse won't work, so I'm not quite sure yet. Aside from that, all went well. [20:38] oooooooo..White Lightning....:D [20:38] louisiana was hit by a tornado just recently [20:38] hitest: what version of xorg does fBSD7.2 ship? [20:38] yeah, they always get hit by tornados... [20:38] that's why i opted not to go to LSU [20:39] and the Dallas Cowboys practice field got hit with high winds while they were in there and it collapsed the roof on them, one player had his back broken and is paralized [20:39] damn... that i didn't know about [20:40] my uncle wants me to visit kansas... tornados there scare the shit out of me >.> [20:41] yup, kansas gets em too, this whole section east of the rockies and west of the mississippi river is tornado alley [20:42] which is why i always opt out lol [20:42] i need to go when they're less likely to occur [20:42] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:42] late summer & winter, spring and early summer is the most likely time tornados occur [20:43] which leaves like what? 2 weeks out of the year? >.> [20:43] from about september through march you are safe, between april and august is the tornado season [20:44] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-29.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:44] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-228.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [20:45] tornados are not that thick, they happen on occasion but not that often, you are more likely to get in an automobile accident than be hurt by a tornado [20:45] macavity: 7.4 I think [20:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.247.120) joined ##slackware. [20:46] hmmmm [20:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat079.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:47] sept. to march... oh, too late for this year :) [20:48] (yes, i know sept. hasn't passed yet, but now i have an excuse) ^_^ [20:48] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [20:54] i lived in oklahoma for 28 years and only been an eye witness to 2 tornados in all that time [20:54] neither one was close enough to harm me or my property [20:54] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:55] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-228.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Bye all." [20:56] Pig_Pen: you have a safe room or storm cellar? [20:57] just call the juggernaut [20:57] lol [20:59] that's one I've not thought 'bout in years,Necos....lol [20:59] i just go in to a bathroom in the middle of the house, this bathroom has no windows [20:59] mshade (n=mshade@68.100.212.163) joined ##slackware. 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[21:04] Pig_Pen: that qualifys as a safe room, get in bathtube if it gets bad :) [21:04] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.19.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:05] lol [21:06] Necos: cast iron bathtubs are pretty sturdy, maybe even close to bullet proof [21:07] i meant the part about it having no windows (see earlier comment) [21:07] bathtubes might also protect you from falling and flying objects [21:08] never leave home without one, if you ask me [21:08] in florida they recommend you lay down in the bathtub and cover yourself with a mattress during hurricanes, that is if no better shelter is available [21:09] cmk_zzz: yea, bathtubs are a wonder of modern technology ;) [21:09] gnubien: that's the recommendation here in Minnesota to for Tornadoes if there isn't a basement, or at least the center-most part of the house that doesn't have any windows. [21:09] firebird619: yep, good plan there imho [21:10] and in california, we have earthquakes... there's no shelter from earthquakes... [21:10] yes, very good indeed I think. [21:10] remember, earthquakes don't kill people... buildings do. [21:10] Necos: the falling stuff/buildings do. [21:10] Action: Necos just said that ^_^ [21:11] firebird619: there are no basements in homes in florida, water table is too close to the surface so they float out of the ground, empty swimming pools do too [21:11] yeah, there's no basement where I'm at, so the bathtub is the best place. [21:11] Necos: doorways are pretty sturdy [21:11] nah lol [21:12] yup, gnubien, the old bathtub and matter routine is what i do [21:12] brb [21:12] matter/s/mattress [21:12] Pig_Pen: yea, maybe buy a pair of kevlar pajamas too ;) [21:12] lol [21:12] that would be nice [21:13] yea, i just patented that idea :) [21:13] seriously? you're gonna be rich gnubien. :P [21:13] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:13] firebird619: and bulletproof too ;) [21:14] yup. :D [21:14] gnubien: Nothin's gonna stop you. [21:15] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] hehe, yea [21:16] the kevlar i've seen has a really slick appearance and feel, maybe you'd slide off the sheets and out of bed easier too [21:16] haha, maybe. [21:17] urxvt (i=1000@c-24-6-14-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [21:17] or fall out of bed then i'd get sued and go broke [21:17] that would not be good. [21:18] there's something that can stop kevlar... gravity :) [21:18] from rich to broke in literally one slip. [21:18] firebird619: yep, got to think these things thru before you commit ;) [21:18] Necos: and rail guns :P [21:18] lol [21:18] ok, two things... [21:18] nukes [21:18] oh, and my mother ;-) [21:18] lol [21:18] lol [21:18] ok, four things... [21:19] your mother is the most deadly of the 4... [21:19] roger [21:19] so, she should be #1 on the list. [21:19] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:19] roger that [21:21] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) left irc: [21:21] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:22] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] kevlar can stop a bullet but if you were shot with something big enough in your kevlar pajamas it might not penetrage the kevlar but it could still break bones and damage internal organs and if it was a high enough impact you would be a mass of hamburger inside your nice kevlar pajamas [21:23] some newer bicycle tires have kevlar in them to help prevent flats from punctures [21:24] but the kevlar would remain undamaged, and that's where the investment is! [21:24] Pig_Pen: right, its not a cure all [21:24] i seen some of these inserts that replace innertubes in bicycles they look like foam rubber tubes [21:24] Pig_Pen: yea, they go flat too, not a good investment [21:25] how can they go flat? just wear out? [21:25] Pig_Pen: some ppl fill their bike tires with polyurethane form too, it goes flat too [21:25] Pig_Pen: yea, the foam goes flat [21:25] from wear [21:25] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:26] my brother works at a chevrolet dealership, once when i had some tires rotated and balanced he refilled them with nitrogen [21:26] wow! [21:26] how expensive is that? [21:26] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] not expensive at all, nitrogen is an inert gas, it displaces moisture and it does not leak out as easily because nitrogen atoms are larger than regular air atoms [21:28] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:135) left irc: "Fui embora" [21:28] right... but trying to buy nitrogen as a regular consumer is pretty expensive, no? [21:29] i would imagine a tank of pure nitrogen is expensive or the equipment that extracts it from the air is too [21:29] s/regular air/oxygen/ [21:30] as "regular air" consists of 78% nitrogen... [21:30] lol [21:30] fair enough [21:30] also has humidity (water atoms) [21:30] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:30] oxygen which promotes rust and corrosion [21:30] and no, bottled nitrogen is dirt cheap [21:30] water & oxygen is what you want to get rid of [21:31] as it is produced with a centrifuge and, well, a natural resource that is not even listed on Wall Street :P [21:31] hmmmm [21:32] there is, thank god, still not a tax on tapping air from the.. errm.. air! [21:32] sorry guys, I have the patent for that [21:32] Action: Necos stabs cmk_zzz [21:32] the nitrogen itself it not expensive, it is the tank it comes in is what would cost you, those place that sell gas bottles will want a retainer so if you dont bring the bottle back they dont lose money [21:32] had bish! [21:32] Necos: figure out where the nearest place they sell welding equipment, and you have a place to buy nitrogen :P [21:33] hehehe duely noted [21:33] and yes, Pig_Pen is right [21:34] but if it a recuring event to just bring the bottle down and have a full one in return, it is really anything but expencive [21:34] that's what i was thinking... like pure oxygen is fuckin expensive [21:34] oh yes [21:34] wow ubuntu users = clueless lol [21:34] because of the safety regulartions regarding its production [21:34] any welding supply store has it, nitrogen, aceteline, argon, CO2 [21:34] not only is the pure O2 expensive, but the canisters are too [21:34] ahh pure O2 :) love fires ;) [21:35] Necos: the canisters for nitro are the same... [21:35] pure O2 == rocket fuel [21:35] Necos: but at least the content is not as expencive as the lease :P [21:35] lol true [21:35] Necos: no, pure O2 + salami == rocket fuel [21:35] no kidding [21:35] If4: What were they clueless about? [21:36] MLanden: anyting that doesnt say "click here" [21:36] how about one tank of oxygen and another tank of hydrogen :D [21:36] lol [21:36] MLanden: I booted to a live xubuntu cd and none could explain why it did not detect the HDD. [21:36] ahhh...gotcha,macavity [21:36] Pig_Pen: want to produce a hole heck of a lot of exceptionally hot water in just about no time at all? :P [21:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat079.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] that's bad,If4 [21:37] what type of harddrive? PATA, SATA? USB? lf4 ? [21:37] if he can survive a tornado, that'll be a walk in the park... [21:37] Pig_Pen: PATA lol [21:37] more importantly: what brand/model disk controller? [21:37] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:37] lf4: ich7 sata->pata legacy port? [21:37] in any case, i'm gonna take my ass home :) [21:37] laters fellas [21:37] l8r [21:38] later Necos [21:38] Its an IDE drive sorry [21:38] i would never get those two items, if i had two bottle one oxy and the other hydrogen i would probably burn myself up and die, (dont want that) [21:38] later Necos [21:38] yes, but what is it sitting on? [21:38] macavity: I guess I dont understand what you mean. [21:38] a SATA->IDE legacy port? or is it a "true" IDE controller? [21:38] ide can be either one, (PATA or SATA) [21:38] intel? via? [21:38] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] true IDE [21:39] probably need to modprobe something or another [21:39] as in, there are no SATA ports on your mobo? [21:39] Its the old 40 pin cable lol this system is 8 years old. [21:39] oook [21:39] No [21:39] lol [21:39] Intel BX chipset? [21:39] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-182-233-130.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:39] nforce2 chipset [21:39] those were common at the time :P [21:39] eeek [21:39] no fscking wonder it doesnt work then [21:40] wait.... nforce2 isnt 8 years old yet... [21:40] lol really? whats wrong with nforce2? [21:40] I built this system back in 2002 sorry its 7 years old [21:40] nVidia made it.. and they are *so* open about how they do stuff, remember? [21:40] some kernels had shody support for that chipset. [21:41] lol yep, ahh I see thumbs ok :) [21:41] the keyword being shody [21:41] shoddy, too. [21:41] what he said ^ [21:41] that would explain my problems lol some would detect the network chip but not the harddrive or vice versa. [21:41] if4: xubuntu 8.10? [21:41] 9.04 [21:42] I just am trying to get data off this drive by FTP [21:42] if that PC is very very old and ancient i would put slackware-11 on it [21:42] the last time i had to fight an nforce chipset for some reason or another, lilo gave up [21:42] i had to use grub?!? [21:42] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [21:42] it is *always* the other way around :P [21:42] I use grub anyways :) [21:42] but no.. not when you deal with crapVidia [21:43] Oh well I'll just move the hardware around forget this whole trying to FTP the data lol. [21:44] lol.."Jaunty Jackalope"...had to look their website up..:D [21:44] time to shut down ubuntu for good... good thing it was just a livecd. lol not vary impressed with it either. [21:44] Action: macavity barfs [21:44] haha yeah MLanden I laughed when I saw the name of it. [21:44] MLanden: nice name, eh? [21:44] shouldn't slackware realeases have names like that? [21:44] no no no [21:44] I think so! [21:44] but all with s'es? [21:45] MLanden: 9.10 will be Karmic Koala. :P [21:45] lol [21:45] lol [21:45] Slackware 13 - Slick Slimeball [21:45] sloppy slalom? [21:45] haha [21:45] sickening siren? [21:45] Slackware 13.1 - Snappy Snotster [21:45] etc [21:45] statutory syndication? [21:45] hmmm, that was fun for about 3 seconds. I wonder how ubuntu keeps it up [21:46] lulz! [21:46] I wonder what 10.04 will be, something with L. [21:46] ok, ktorrent is pretty fast in KDE4 [21:47] *much* improved! [21:47] cmk_zzz: simple they have polls in the IRC channel lol [21:47] lf4: I hope that's not true. [21:47] firebird619: no, its time for K [21:47] jeev: so it will be 10.04 - Kinky Kernel [21:47] lf4: that would explain the silly unrelated names. [21:47] yeah, karmic koala [21:47] s/jeev/firebird [21:48] macavity: 9.10 this fall will be Karmic Koala, so the next, 10.04 will be L [21:48] oh, right [21:48] Lethargic Lizard? [21:48] #ubuntu is just flooded [21:48] firebird619: lol Lunatic Lizard. [21:48] lf4: by silly questions? [21:48] Lethal Larch? [21:49] slacknode (i=1000@c-67-162-154-248.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:49] thumbs: yeah one guy was asking about having a 4GB swap lol [21:49] Looking Lemur [21:49] windows luser [21:49] lf4: no one needs 4GB of swap. [21:49] I know that is what I was saying. [21:49] Loving Lion [21:49] thumbs: windows users do... [21:49] lf4: Hmm, oj, so you need hibernate and you have 4Gig of ram. what to do? [21:49] I said 2GB max lol [21:49] cmk_zzz: some how I dont think this guy was going to have that.. [21:50] macavity: I can't comment on that, I don't use windows often enough. [21:50] window users need 20GB of swap because it doesn't know what RAM is. [21:50] however, hibernating does not require the same amount of swap. There is compression involved. [21:50] cmk_zzz: a) the kernel drops file caches prior to hibernation b) the data is compressed before it gets thrown on the swap [21:50] lf4, I get along fine with...a lot less than that. [21:50] at least on linux, there is [21:51] thumbs, Windows compresses on hibernate too. [21:51] No guarantees on ratio, though. [21:51] macavity: How much can you control the compression? Are there any fixed rules? [21:51] ccfreak2k: fair enough. [21:51] ccfreak2k: I was joking about the 20GB lol [21:51] cmk_zzz: compressible data compresses well... but if you stick a divx movie in a ramdisk, that is probably not gonna give you a particular good ratio ;-) [21:52] cmk_zzz: lzo is designed to be *fast* [21:52] cmk_zzz: not effecient.. though on "regular" data it is actually quite good [21:52] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat079.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:53] macavity: fair enough, but then again, if you want to be sure, use the same amount of RAM? Then again, I wouldn't do that becuase I hardly use more than 256 whenever I go hibernating [21:53] cmk_zzz: exactly [21:53] cmk_zzz: you dont tell your machine to suspend in the middle of a fscking huge Blender rendering job :P [21:53] what linux system would be using 4GB of ram? I cant even picture that. [21:53] cmk_zzz: or, if you know what is good for you, with OOo open ;-) [21:54] yeah macavity exactly. [21:54] lf4: if the kernel ever users 4GB of RAM you learn how to spell "memory leak" in the bug report really fast :P [21:54] haha really? I thought the kernel itself was over 8GB... oh wait thats vista. :P [21:55] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [21:55] lf4: however, i have once written a little program that would have used 4GB if i had had them at the time [21:55] macavity: a forkbomb? [21:55] lol [21:55] lf4: it did chew up 2GB quite well :P [21:56] what was the app for macavity ? [21:56] Well, we have a bunch of Oracle database servers, they use their fair share of RAM [21:56] thumbs: nope.. transposing of giant matrixes in a graph coloring problem [21:56] that would do it...lol [21:56] cmk_zzz: you may nix the "fair" part there, and just admit that oracle databases chews up anything that even remotely looks like RAM... but it sure does nice things with it :P [21:56] cmk_zzz: thats databases and I dont think a normal user will be dealing with large database files. [21:57] and i dont thing that people with oracle databases want to suspend to disk :P [21:57] lol [21:57] macavity: oh now come on you know that they would get a kick out of doing that.. :) [21:57] "hey boss? can i try and see if our main database server can come back online if in less than 20 minutes if i suspend it?" [21:58] lol [21:58] ;) [21:58] bzzzzzzt. Fired. [21:58] who me?!? [21:58] doooh! [21:58] man I really don't want to shut this system down and open it up just for this harddrive I'll keep messing with it. [21:59] lf4: what is the PCI id of that controler? [21:59] lf4: lspci -nn [22:00] lol not sure now I shut the system down trying a different PC that I have open and off. [22:00] ah, ok [22:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:01] I have 4 desktops and my laptop with in 4 feet of me so I'm sure one will work. [22:01] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:02] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] paissad (n=paissad@106.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:03] paissad (n=paissad@72.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:22] can someone recommend a good emule software in slackware? [22:22] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] zxh: I don't know the details of emule but there is nicotine++ [22:23] i mean, Nicotine plus [22:24] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.204.154) left irc: "Leaving" [22:25] zxh: seriously? do you want to get pwned? [22:26] how much malware in emule can possibly trouble a linux system? [22:26] shv5? [22:26] maybe. [22:26] i don't know pwned, what that? [22:26] bad [22:26] zxh: if you were on a windows based system you should fear emule [22:27] why? [22:27] Action: lf4 loves emule and all the viruses I mean files ;) you can get. [22:27] not such an issue on a linux system, though there are some possible problems that could happen [22:27] what doesn't kill you makes you stronger [22:27] emule is where the RIAA and MPAA catches most their victims [22:27] haha exactly twolf :) [22:28] use torrents with encryption if you are paranoid [22:28] macavity: What do you use? torrents or usenet? [22:28] lf4: i cant afford a good usenet account :-/ [22:28] me either but I would love to have one. [22:28] lf4: and well.. since most of what i download has a rather small "intended audience", torrents work the better [22:28] i found 20 bucks today [22:29] and it was good timing too [22:29] lol nice antiwire [22:29] macavity: makes sense :) [22:29] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] lf4: you should see my collection of sick sick prøn ;-) [22:29] heh [22:30] he's a goatse master [22:30] macavity: so your the creator of two girls... ;) [22:30] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] lf4: the cup was his idea [22:30] hahaha [22:30] lulz [22:30] antiwire: I bet it was. [22:31] actually no... i'm a sadist who happen to have a fetish for canes [against tits] [22:31] mmm [22:31] little s&m action eh [22:31] you [22:31] *yup [22:31] lol antiwire I think macavity wants you ;) [22:32] O_O [22:32] noes.. i have a nice GF for that [22:32] oh that reminds me... hows nullboy and his girl issue? [22:32] and she's down for the S in s&m? [22:33] whats s&m again? [22:33] sado masochism [22:33] ah ok [22:33] thought it was slave&master [22:33] no it stands for sado-masochism [22:34] If you say so. [22:34] i don't need to say so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadomasochism [22:34] haha seems like we have some experts in here dealing with that stuff. [22:35] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:35] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] it does.. the master/slave issue is generally labled D/s [22:36] I know you're all reading that now [22:36] Dominance and submission [22:36] antiwire: no I am not. [22:36] anyone know why rebuilding xfce 4.6.1 require xfce-mcs-manager? [22:36] lol [22:36] me neither :P [22:36] or why its even looking for that in pkg-config [22:36] but i did edit it back when i read it.. [22:36] hahaha [22:37] Man am I tired, calling it a day. I'll see you folks tomorrow. good night all:) [22:37] Aren't there virus in usenet [22:37] battlemidget: ask rworkman about xfce build thingies.. he is in the know [22:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [22:37] rworkman: ping [22:37] zxh: just the same as everywhere else [22:37] lf4, nullboy was rejected :D [22:37] battlemidget: he is not around atm [22:37] macavity: ok thanks! [22:37] sleepytime for me, laters [22:37] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:39] it is, insofar, my observation, that if you gain the trust of a woman, she will like *at least* a light spanking on the bud with bare hands [22:40] what is this "light" you talk about? [22:41] BP{k}: for prudent/shy little teenage girls :P [22:41] darmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:41] light = caning [22:41] *snort* [22:41] singapore style [22:42] i dont care if its ligt or hard... as long as the sound she makes are the right ones [22:42] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:42] i am by no means a fan of this whole elitism thing that i observe in the community [22:43] "if you cant handle the single tail you are not a real sadist"-style crap... [22:43] i don't even know that that means [22:43] hehehe [22:43] a single whip tail? [22:43] edman007: What? really, thats sad at least I know not to bring that subject up. [22:43] antiwire: yes [22:43] instead of a 9 tail or something? [22:43] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@YKCXVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [22:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:44] antiwire: yes.. the single tail whip is generally considered to be "elite only" [22:44] I hope I wasn't the only one who received that.... [22:44] that would be fairly unfair [22:45] Action: BP{k} looks for a dictionary for the word fair [22:45] lol sorry antiwire you guys are losing me on this subject lol since I don't have experiance in any of that. [22:45] antiwire: i didnt catch that? [22:45] so I'm then only one who receives a wall notice? [22:46] the* [22:46] wall notice? [22:46] i didn't even start this topic [22:46] lf4: well.. if you are not a sadist or a masochist, i seriously advice you to *not* get any experience then :P [22:46] antiwire: wall notice? [22:46] haha I'll be sure to remember and do that macavity thanks for the advice ;) [22:47] stillborn (n=blow_my_@YKCDLXXXVII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:47] antiwire: that was a direct notice. since you're involved in the ongoing discussion. :) [22:47] "(notice) see ##slackware_perverts if you want to continue this discussion away from the main channel :P" [22:47] lf4: i am not bull shitting you... ive seen what happened to a girl who started to "bottom" to please her BF who was a dom/sadist [22:47] Haha [22:47] so everyone else received that too? [22:47] antiwire: I didn't [22:47] lol! :P [22:47] ... [22:48] Action: lf4 wants to see whats in ##slackware_perverts haha ;) [22:48] lf4: your wellcome [22:49] lol i was half expecting that to be a joke. [22:51] Action: cmk_zzz wants to write a vi desktop solution. [22:53] macavity, what bittorrent soft is good? [22:54] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:54] maybe i can redeem my self with this link instead of perverted stuff http://tinyurl.com/djhqnd [22:54] myself* [22:54] awwwee that's nicer isn't it? [22:55] lol [22:55] antiwire: come on you should join the channel ;) [22:55] CTCP PING: 1241491998 751938 from zxh (zxh!n=red@218.26.164.24) to ##slackware [22:55] zxh: ktorrent is good [22:55] yeah right, i'm not a pervert. i received a malformed wall notice [22:55] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) left irc: "Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?" [22:55] look, i post links to nice things, not perverts http://tinyurl.com/djhqnd [22:56] antiwire: we're in that channel and that pic lol does not redeam you haha just makes me wonder if your in to gay stuff... ;) [22:56] no, not gay. just unicrons and butterflies [22:56] duh [22:56] lol [22:57] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) joined ##slackware. [23:01] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [23:03] nst (n=lenox@201-40-188-35.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:05] unnotused (n=unnu@72-173-20-49.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] nst (n=lenox@201-40-188-35.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [23:06] Action: chopp wonders where all the perverts disappeared to. [23:07] my butterflies and unicorns scared them away [23:07] lol [23:07] chopp: I'm here, just watching a show. [23:07] :P [23:07] hello :-) [23:07] Nick change: acidchi|d -> acidchild [23:08] hello! [23:08] :) how are people? [23:08] people are strange [23:08] lol [23:08] yes people are strange and awkward :/ [23:08] some people anyways. [23:08] classic Doors [23:08] Action: lf4 raises his hand. [23:08] acidchild: i'm going to start saying sedward [23:08] some of them leave a bad after taste too for long after you've had to deal with them. [23:09] no one will get it and that's the beauty [23:09] ello? [23:09] hi unnotused [23:10] i'm trolling craigslist :] [23:10] hope i find a bicycle for under 50$ =] [23:10] so, hwo is everyone today? [23:11] well i'm off take care :) [23:11] s/wo/ow/ [23:11] take care lf4 [23:11] unnotused: its been okey thanks :-) [23:11] i gotta go to.. time to hit the bunk [23:11] later lf4, take care. [23:11] later macavity [23:11] laterz macavity [23:11] hello firebird619 [23:11] later firebird619 macavity [23:12] hey acidchild, how are you? [23:12] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "sleeping or doing other things" [23:12] i'm been doing okey, finished building my RF tower today :-) [23:12] so, you guys good with slackware? [23:12] acidchild: nice. [23:12] got my welding down to somewhat of an art. [23:12] unnotused: sure? [23:12] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there are thing in nature i am forecd to question, such as myself" [23:13] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [23:13] excellent. being able to grab a random welder and bust a bead is a great skill [23:13] people will gawk in wonder [23:13] acidchild: ah, an artistic welder now. :P [23:13] i'm not kidding either [23:13] dont mean to sound all *duh* about the question .. . but yeah [23:13] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] haha. [23:13] I can slack and weld [23:13] antiwire: yeah for sure. [23:13] at the same time? [23:13] antiwire: Wow, multi-talented. Good Job. :D [23:14] antiwire: i'm getting the hang of wire speed vs voltage.. [23:14] oxy-acetylene and arc ;) [23:14] ive successfuly set up my lappy to multi into vista, slashtop, slackware and Sabayon [23:14] i've done heli-arc twice but i don't own a heli-arc setup [23:14] :) [23:14] too bad only 4 masta parts per drive . . . i switch between vista and slackware and sabayon . . . im trying to learn . . . i LOVE slackware tho [23:15] unnotused: use Virtualbox? [23:15] or VMware? [23:15] isn't sabayon something like "cutting edge gentoo"? [23:15] BP{k}: yeah [23:15] i think someone just farted. [23:15] it's quite nice, I've tried it before. [23:15] has alot of stuff installed by default. [23:16] i like it . . . [23:16] i love the idea of music on boot too [23:16] :D [23:17] unnotused: yeah, that's kind of a neat feature. [23:17] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] music on boot? [23:17] wtf [23:17] well, my computer room has about 5 lcds and 3 crts . . . so when they all are booting up, and one is playing music . . . [23:17] acidchild: yeah, the last version I used anyway, as it started, *before* X even came up, it played music. [23:18] sounds horrible :( [23:18] well, when i boot in verbose, i kinda loose my breath in shear aww [23:18] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.61.140) joined ##slackware. [23:18] kernel messages make you wet? [23:18] got that right [23:18] XD [23:18] acidchild: the music wasn't bad either, I think it's neat, I wonder though if it slows down the boot though. [23:18] haha [23:19] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-168-133.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:19] i wonder what happens when mummy is sleeping and your ment to be in bed [23:19] :O [23:19] and you turn on your computer defaulting to its default volume level [23:19] im fairly new to linux, so theres somehting about understanding what going on that makes me feel that i have not wasted time with computers, but instead build a wonderful foundation [23:19] causing mummy to ground you without internet for 3 weeks [23:19] :( [23:20] XD who me? [23:20] haha no. [23:20] no, the other guy?!? [23:20] just giving a situation where music on boot could be shit [23:20] XD [23:20] well [23:20] i havnt a mother . . . havnt for a while [23:20] so i think im exempt from that situation [23:21] yeah, it would have to be nuclear bomb style loud in my situation [23:21] =P [23:21] maybe if i want to use WOL to boot my computers "sekretly" [23:21] haha [23:21] but i see no need for that anytime soon [23:21] so [23:21] im good [23:21] Channel flood from unnotused -- kicking [23:21] :P [23:21] unnotused kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:22] unnotused (n=unnu@72-173-20-49.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] haha [23:22] good work unnotused [23:22] that sucked [23:22] pwnwnwnw3dzzzzzzzzzz [23:22] slackboy your bawt? [23:22] unnotused: you fail. :P [23:22] he's bummba [23:22] bubba* [23:22] and you just got bubbaed [23:22] may i? [23:22] im quite proud of my bot [23:23] may you what? have another. [23:23] fadein_ (i=fadein@static-ip-62-75-255-124.inaddr.server4you.de) joined ##slackware. [23:23] considering ive just recently started to learn php [23:23] all the cool programmers use finger paint to code these days [23:23] dios2 (i=test@88.236.179.188) left irc: "Ronald Reagan described economists as individuals who see something work in practice and wonder if it might work in theory." [23:23] rjamison (n=rjamison@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] get with the tends unnotused... your so last year [23:23] XD [23:23] seriously? [23:24] No wonder there's so many 5 year old geniuses. [23:24] acidchild, i see it hard to paint code [23:24] unnotused: use a smaller brush. [23:24] firebird619: durh, how do you think they got so many of them wonderful features in to vista? [23:24] Action: Dominian slaps acidchild [23:24] haha [23:24] XD [23:24] microsoft is very proud of this patented method of constructing large enterprise applications [23:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:25] Hey Dominian, how are you? [23:25] involes paint or poo if thats all you have to hand [23:25] and 3 fingers.. [23:25] hrmmm [23:25] Windows 7 RC released to public tomorrow, WOOOOOT. :P [23:25] woot, finger painted OS! [23:25] i can't afford the painted version, i'll just get a re-print to stick on my monitor [23:25] acidchild: Have you seen some of the wallpaper for windows 7 rc now, looks like it was made by a 5 year old, some of it anyway. [23:25] Dominian: ezi, how goes? [23:25] Action: unnotused now understands why most code nowadays is rigged together using if statements. [23:26] acidchild: not bad.. father-in-law had his surgery today.. went very well [23:26] been a long few days hehe [23:26] excellent :-) [23:26] i've started having to deal with dumb and dumbers retaration today. [23:26] :O, there's a T-Storm headed this way. [23:26] regarding my old apartment space etc. [23:27] I'll have to shut down soon. :( [23:27] that sucks. [23:27] epic long dong silver cawk [23:27] no kidding. [23:27] acidchild: uhhh what about it? [23:27] firebird619 . . win7 . . . release EST? [23:28] not sure when it'll be released tomorrow unnotused. [23:28] well, ill look at it once i get done reading http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt [23:28] I have Windows 7 Beta in a VM. [23:28] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:29] Dominian: -shrugs- i'll move all my stuff out tomorrow. [23:29] =P get a little help from a friend lala. [23:29] heh [23:29] acidchild: You look at dubstep y et? [23:29] oh and someone uploaded another damn file to slackadelic over night it apepars [23:29] no. but its comming rather urgent. [23:30] but the stuck it in '/var/tmp' which is in tmpfs symlinked to /tmp an noexec nosuid hehe [23:30] acidchild: yeah.. it is [23:31] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [23:31] firebird619, is more lightweight windows 7 beta than winxp? [23:31] can someone recommond a bittorrent software [23:32] maxote: Uhhh, I'm not sure I'd say more lightweight than xp, but better than vista. [23:32] lightweighter than vista? [23:32] zxh: depends on what you like, there's qbittorrent, ktorrent, deluge, rtorrent, etc. [23:32] zxh: transmission [23:32] maxote: not sure, I've never used vista. [23:32] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:32] slackware has bittornado in extra too [23:33] i will use it for guest, host will be slackware. [23:33] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-168-133.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [23:33] simple, easy to install, and use [23:34] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-168-133.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:34] acidchild: btw, was there some sort of routing issue at the NOC last night? [23:35] zxh: Well, that's about every one of them. :D [23:35] antiwire: interesting...compat-wireless-2009-05-05 [23:35] its from the future! [23:36] Dominian: lol [23:36] fucking jokes :P [23:37] eh? [23:37] quagga had a bug that ment that it crashed if a ASN of a certain length was added to the routing table [23:37] so it just segfaulted. [23:37] so i guess sunday they rolled the clock over on ASN's and made them longer. [23:37] wtf [23:37] Sounds like that god damn Cisco router bug that cropped up a few months ago.. [23:37] when .. god what country was that.. sent a malformed ASN header.. [23:38] packistan [23:38] that's it [23:38] during the youtube crap [23:38] XD [23:38] they subnetted wrong. [23:38] i dunno if i believe them or not... [23:38] no.. that was something different [23:38] i think that may have been a painted excuse given to unknowing ones above. [23:39] Dominian: they blocked too much of the internet, not just youtube. [23:39] pakistan fucked up and broadcasted a blackhole route for youtube.com.. unfortunately, whoever the moron was who did it, didn't blackhole it.. he routed ALL of youtube traffic from around the WORLD TO Pakistan [23:39] acidchild: I'm thinking of something else.. just happened not long ago.. [23:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:39] Action: cmk_zzz laughs his heart out [23:39] i found a great exploit the otherday . . . need to doc it somewhere . . . turns out you can use xss in your cookie . . . and in your routing header as socketed raw . . . [23:39] someone sent a malformed asn that caaused like.. major routers on the internet .. due to a bug in their OS to reboot [23:39] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:40] unnotused: err.. [23:40] explain? [23:40] well, not major [23:40] but site vuln [23:40] a XSS in a constructed packet around a raw socket? [23:40] uhhh i should clarify [23:40] XD [23:40] its awesome having your own slackware mirror on your LAN [23:40] Dominian: did they release any formal notices about that yet? [23:40] whats XSS (inclusion, javascript, cookies, mysql?) got to do with forming a bad packet? [23:41] antiwire: Not that know of.. I was reading up on it on sans [23:41] none . . . wow, i should just keep my mouth shut . . . you guys prob dont do site security. . . . [23:41] :P [23:41] acidchild: well good thing is.. the mailserver is working good.. [23:42] acidchild: I'm still tracking down some "flaws" with the move with spamassassin.. nothing major though [23:43] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-168-133.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [23:43] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-168-133.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "mIRC" [23:44] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:44] fadein_ (i=fadein@static-ip-62-75-255-124.inaddr.server4you.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:45] Floops (n=baihu@shellium/member/floops) left irc: "changing servers" [23:45] Floops (n=baihu@irus.balgus.info) joined ##slackware. [23:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:47] Nick change: BlackKnight -> UdontKnow [23:48] i want to monitor bandwidth usage on my machine [23:48] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:48] i see a ton of packages on google but i dunno which is best; any suggestions? [23:50] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [23:51] sar [23:51] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] is not the best, but it works for basic monitoring [23:51] Floops (n=baihu@irus.balgus.info) left irc: "changing servers" [23:52] Floops (n=baihu@irus.balgus.info) joined ##slackware. [23:53] jdetring (n=jay@76-200-121-139.lightspeed.tulsok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:54] jdetring (n=jay@76-200-121-139.lightspeed.tulsok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] http://www.gropp.org/?id=projects&sub=bwm-ng is quite decent too [23:56] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [23:59] Skywise (n=noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [23:59] hi, how can i find a usb drive i've just inserted [23:59] amazon10x: I like vnstat. http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/vnstat/ [23:59] Skywise, fdisk -l [23:59] U-Neeks (n=hell@201-88-28-101.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue May 5 2009