[00:00] oh geez, we got us a radical [00:00] mancha: not a radical, a machiavellian [00:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] mancha: maybe you dont know I am. I am Bourne. [00:00] Jason Bourne. [00:01] Bashir, Julian Bashir [00:01] begin, menachem begin [00:01] butts, seymour butts [00:02] cohen, matthew cohen [00:02] isnt Menacham the Israeli PM? [00:02] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] pankaj: he was at one point, now it's benyamin netanyahu [00:02] yes. he was [00:03] *was*, he signed a famous pact with egypt's president under carter;s senile watch [00:03] he won the noble prize [00:03] which noble prize? [00:03] if not wrong, peace prize [00:03] oh, nobel [00:03] known as the camp david accords. and it is nobel, not noble. named after alfred nobel a swedish chemist [00:04] his political career began as the leader of the irgun resistance movement [00:04] mancha: my apologise, yes alfred nobel the man who made the TNT [00:04] his weapon of choice, a .38 revolver [00:04] yes, he made TNT and later created the "peace" prize [00:05] maybe his way of reconciling with his maker [00:05] true [00:05] anyways the Chinese SWAT are outside my house. [00:06] with their fake AK-47 [00:06] plastic? [00:06] and cheap kelvar vests [00:06] watch out for those 50 caliber eggrolls [00:06] yes. ABS platic [00:06] calibre [00:06] pankaj: you got an 8mm rifle lying around? [00:07] yeah. I am going to have to be extra careful on my way out. [00:07] nyRednek: possibly somewhere in my attic [00:07] why? [00:07] depending on the dough used, those eggrolls can pierce kevlar at close range. [00:07] *and silly time is over for me* see ya [00:07] pankaj: to protect your terrorist child porn explosive anthrax collection [00:07] pankaj: i'd give them something to worry about by dropping a few of them on the front wih the hopes that they'll take the diversion as you head for the back [00:08] btw, an 8mm rifle will pierce kevlar [00:09] nyRednek: Thanks for the advice. Mancha: will watch out for the egg rolls and pi31415, I'll make sure my terrorist child porn explove anthrax collection is safe and delivered to you. [00:09] Action: nyRednek tosses a flashbang behind the line of chinese police to facilitate pankaj's escape [00:09] hahaa [00:09] thanks [00:10] see ya! [00:10] through an ssh tunnel [00:10] pankaj: that is good, you can never collect enough terrorist child porn explosive anthrax [00:10] haha [00:10] bye! [00:10] pankaj (n=pjed@ppp-124-122-100-47.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: [00:10] gentoo's docs are awesome [00:10] yes.. yes they are [00:10] Hopefully their wiki will be back to full force at some point [00:10] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:11] Dominian: the doc site was down today but it's up now [00:11] Action: nyRednek hides his model 1 gatling [00:11] deco: Well, they lost a lot of data a year or so ago [00:11] and our wiki is finally up \o/ [00:11] Dominian: oh i didn't know :o [00:12] deco: slack wiki? [00:12] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Client Quit [00:12] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:12] nyRednek: yeah [00:12] hehe slackwiki [00:12] Action: Dominian could smack the admin [00:12] :P [00:12] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:12] the registration lapsed iirc [00:12] someone forgot -_- [00:12] Dominian: wonder, did fred ever decide to release slamd 13? 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[00:14] nyRednek: i have no idea [00:14] its all a government secret [00:15] deco: i know we could use an update of slack/390 [00:15] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:15] slackintosh needs an update [00:15] badly [00:15] yup indeed [00:16] I was going to use an iMac G3 I had here to do it, but well that failed [00:16] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "speed, power, goo. three critical items" [00:18] Dominian: did you try a different distro or just stopped ? [00:18] I put ubuntu on there.. that' failed [00:18] the only one that booted was opensuse :) [00:18] and it worked ok [00:19] heh :) [00:20] grrr now that ive been using dwm i can't use my mouse anymore :P [00:22] well, slack/390 is still in version 10 [00:22] Nick change: corretico_ -> corretico__ [00:23] nyRednek: yeah [00:23] and is still 31 bit [00:24] Nick change: corretico__ -> corretico_ [00:24] i installed Slackintosh on a G3 iMac but KDE did not work [00:24] not that i really need to use the G3 [00:24] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: "Leaving" [00:24] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:26] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@62.71.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [00:28] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:30] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: "Leaving" [00:30] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. 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[00:44] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) returned to ##slackware. [00:45] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [00:48] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [00:48] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-56-198.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:48] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-53-185.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [00:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] jhw (n=jhw@p548F5EC3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:51] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Anyone know of any nasty windows update virues going around? I dual boot on my notebook vista/slack and I just did a quick windows update.. It asked me to reboot and it trashed lilo. I can't get it to reinstall either.. booted off my slack disk did a mount /dev/sda2 /temp; chroot /temp; lilo and no luck.. did lilo -M as well.. Any ideas? [01:00] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [01:01] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:04] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [01:05] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] also.. how do I change my /proc from the boot disk to my hd's /proc folder? [01:07] ah mount -t proc none /proc [01:07] Wescotte, /proc isn't stored on the HDD, it's a fake file system that's all in RAM [01:07] well, that. [01:07] but it's still not on the HDD [01:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:08] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Axius (n=ojof@92.84.31.46) joined ##slackware. [01:08] yeah i realize that. I just didn't realize it had to be mounted.. [01:08] any ideas why I can't boot off my hd? [01:09] Wescotte, did lilo give you any messaging when you ran it after chrooting? [01:09] is it giving you a kernel panic? [01:09] lilo -M /dev/sda mbr didn't seem to fix the issue.> it just cycles through all boot media and can't find anything (if the CD isn't in) and then attempts to boot from lan as the final option.. [01:10] veritos: nope.. just doesn't detect anything to boot from and cycles through dvd/usb drives/HD/lan.. it attempts lan and hangs there.. [01:11] RedSocrates: I get 3 warnings.. LBA32 addressing assumed Warning: Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system Warning: Video adapter does not support VESA BIOS extensions neede dfor display of 256 olors.. Boot loader will fall back to TEXT only operaqtion. [01:11] RedSocrates: However, I always got those 3 before.. [01:11] Wescotte, yeah, none of those warnings are cause for concern. Hm :-/ [01:12] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] this problem happened right after I booted into vista for the first time in weeks (where I did a new install).. I just installed quicktime and did a windows update.. It found an update installed it and asked me to reboot [01:12] after that it won't boot off the HD.. [01:12] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:12] but I can boot off the liveCD and chroot to it.. [01:13] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:13] hmm maybe I'll let vista try to fix the MBR and see if it can boot off it.. [01:13] Wescotte, that's one idea, more than I've got at the moment :) [01:14] Necrogami (n=djnecrog@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: "Client Exiting" [01:14] only thing that struck me as odd was the windows update didn't actually ask me anything before installiong.. it seemed more like windows update itself was updating itself.. odd that it asked for a reboot [01:15] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Wescotte, how about /sbin/lilo -b /dev/hda [01:15] or relevant device [01:16] is that just an override if it isn't specified in /etc/lilo.conf? [01:16] Wescotte, I think so, not really sure, just reading through manual right now for possibilities [01:16] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] wow... something goofy is going on.. won't even boot off my stupid vista disc now.. [01:17] Yeah, it must be [01:17] might be hardware problem... [01:17] That was gonna be one of my next guesses [01:18] restarted it one more time and it's working.. heh [01:18] into slack or vista? [01:18] vista boot disc [01:18] ah [01:19] before it was reading the disc over and over making loud noises but not getting anywhere.. [01:19] Yikes, loud noises are (obviously) not good [01:19] well loud reading CD/DVD noises.. [01:21] well vista is complaining of an error but I assume that's cuz lilo is in the MBR and not Windows bootloader.. [01:21] wow.. it's failing on repairing it [01:23] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:23] why not chroot into your linux and re-run lilo? [01:23] mancha: did that.. isn't working.. [01:24] what was the error? [01:24] eddief (n=eddie@pool-68-161-209-154.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] mancha: no error.. it goes through.. just won't boot [01:24] what is the default os to boot in your lilo? [01:24] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:25] linux/slack [01:25] and it won't boot to it? [01:25] do you even see any of lilo start to load? [01:25] lilo doesn't even fire up.. It skips attempting to boot off the HD and goes to the next device.. it just sits there attempting to boot off the lan which is lower in boot priority than my HD [01:25] nope [01:26] run lilo with "-v 5" or summit [01:27] trying [01:28] wow that's a shitload of info :) [01:29] pastebin? [01:29] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [01:29] hai [01:29] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-79-234.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:29] anyone know what's the maximum record OOo Base can handle ? [01:30] what is ms access' max? [01:30] i dunno :| [01:30] mancha: it's almost a meg of text :) [01:30] ok, then -v 5 might be excessive [01:30] try 1 or 2 [01:30] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-190.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [01:31] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-190.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] hmm there a command line tool to use wicd? [01:34] access is 32768 [01:34] wicd-curses. it's not a command line tool in the way that you expect, but it's not GUI. [01:34] anavel a nice power of 2, 2^15 [01:35] so what's the limit of base ? [01:36] using the built-in engine [01:36] hmm [01:40] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.8.187) joined ##slackware. [01:41] wicd-curses is a cli menu program, true [01:43] couldn't get wifi working.. just got a wire :) [01:43] http://pastebin.ca/1656242 <-- my lilo -v 3 [01:43] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.8.187) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:44] yht (n=Administ@118.96.121.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:44] yht (n=Administ@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [01:46] nothing egregious there. but the bios is not giving you sugar. did you do anything to the bios? [01:47] nope [01:47] last thing I did was perform a windows update in vista.. It installed SOMETHING.. asked me to reboot and I did.. after that it no longer booted [01:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:48] can you tell the bios manually to boot of the drive? [01:48] S/OF/OFF [01:48] I pushed harddrive to the top of the boot order list if that's what you mean? [01:52] so vista is sda1 and slack is sda2? [01:52] i have no idea really...if your mbr is the same then it should boot the same. (at least through the bootloader) [01:54] yes [01:55] wow.. I hit "f10" to pull up my bios boot menu selected HD and it worked [01:55] but my bios seems to be unable to see my HD installed now when I'm in it.. [01:55] that's what i meant by manually [01:55] another strange thing is it has a goofy slash screen that I had disabled in the bios.. it suddenly came up now.. and I rebooted and it was gone.. [01:55] very odd stuff [01:56] think there is something goofy going on with my hardware or bios or something :( [01:56] could your bios have been flashed w/.o you knowing? [01:56] is it the same ver? check that. [01:57] yes it's the same ver [01:57] well I think it is.. said version date was something 2007 [01:57] which seems right.. [01:58] is your mobo battery shot? [01:58] I haven't flashed the bios since around then.. However I suppose this last time I was in visita it could have flashed it via some virus or something.. but I NEVER use vista.. It's a fresh install as of a few weeks ago.. I only used it today to do somethingin Adobe After Effects [01:59] mancha: doubt it.. but I guess that's possible.. lemme power down and see if it resets.. [01:59] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:01] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:03] battery seems fine.. system date/time is correct..the bios itself has almost no options but it appears fine.. [02:04] It doesn't see the HD auto detected int eh bios.. that's gotta be the problem.. odd that it still lets me boot off it though [02:04] if I use the boot menu thingy.. [02:04] I guess I better make sure everything is nice and backed up just in case the HD is about to crap out [02:06] thanks for all your help guys [02:06] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:07] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:17] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:21] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [02:23] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:27] Axius (n=ojof@92.84.31.46) left irc: "Leaving" [02:28] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [02:29] hamcore (i=rhythm@unaffiliated/hamcore) joined ##slackware. [02:30] i don't have a sites-enabled dir inside my /etc/httpd, should i create it? [02:30] eddief (n=eddie@pool-68-161-209-154.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:30] this isn't crappy debian. [02:31] i'm reading a article teaching howto cache youtube videos, and it quotes that directory [02:31] i'm sorry. [02:31] but this isn't crappy debian [02:32] are you a slackware user? [02:32] course. [02:32] what you trying to do [02:32] leech youtube crap? [02:32] there are some neat utils out there that work command line [02:32] cache youtube videos [02:33] sites-enabled is just a included dir of debian distro httpd? [02:33] if you're trying to 'cache' them, maybe you can just go to them with your browser, wont it cache ? [02:33] cache to all my local network [02:33] its squid+apache [02:33] Axius (n=ojof@92.84.31.46) joined ##slackware. [02:33] Axius (n=ojof@92.84.31.46) left irc: Client Quit [02:33] crazy, good luck [02:33] you could avoid sites-enabled and just deal with httpd.conf [02:34] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:34] k [02:34] ill try [02:34] ty. [02:34] no prob [02:34] all sites-enabled is is a link if i recall [02:35] Rat409 (n=greg@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] y0 Rat409 [02:39] hamcore: you can use web based apps like keepvid.net or something like that to d/l youtube videos [02:39] hey fire|bird [02:40] RedSocrates (n=RedSocra@cpe-69-207-175-250.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:41] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:41] greetings [02:41] lo [02:42] winter: it is getting winter, you dont have to remind me every morning i join ##slackware [02:42] Panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. 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[03:13] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:13] <_guitarman_> anyone get kdenlive going on there slack13? [03:14] <_guitarman_> seems like a bit of a hassle and the packages for slack on the kdenlive site - links have been busted for a while [03:14] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:14] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:14] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-189.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:15] morning all :) [03:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:20] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.32) joined ##slackware. [03:30] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. 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[05:11] Action: Zordrak has had a fucking break-in [05:12] on a god damn SuSE box.. why am i not surprised [05:12] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) got netsplit. [05:12] talso (n=talso@S01060030542b92b7.cg.shawcable.net) got netsplit. [05:12] naitsabeS (n=Sebastia@irc.ldm-clan.de) got netsplit. [05:12] greetings gentlemen [05:13] sier (n=sier@unaffiliated/sier) left irc: Excess Flood [05:13] naitsabeS (n=Sebastia@irc.ldm-clan.de) returned to ##slackware. [05:13] talso (n=talso@S01060030542b92b7.cg.shawcable.net) returned to ##slackware. [05:13] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) returned to ##slackware. [05:13] sier (n=sier@c-24-62-71-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:15] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:16] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) got netsplit. [05:16] talso (n=talso@S01060030542b92b7.cg.shawcable.net) got netsplit. [05:16] naitsabeS (n=Sebastia@irc.ldm-clan.de) got netsplit. 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[05:57] aigon (n=jfo@92.84.31.46) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:58] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:58] aigon (n=jfo@92.84.31.46) joined ##slackware. [06:01] i try to install wine on slack64 13.0 [06:01] i use http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/wine/ [06:01] and http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [06:02] but at wine slacbuild install i have a error : configure: error: C compiler cannot create executable [06:02] adrien_ : http://slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/wine/pkg64/13.0/ [06:03] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [06:03] adrien_: your problem is that you did not set ARCH to "x86_64" [06:03] aigon (n=jfo@92.84.31.46) left irc: Client Quit [06:04] whats up with all these netsplits .....:( [06:04] Action: The-Croupier cannot set /ignore in his client atm :( and is very annoying [06:05] its over.. a server was having a paddy [06:05] ok, if i use your link, i dont have to use the slackbuild install ? i dont have to set ARCH too ? [06:05] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:05] adrien_: check it ;) im sure it will be a readme as well ;) [06:06] ok ok thanks ill check it :) [06:07] adrien_: read the section on compiling 32-bit apps on multilib-slackware. I think you missed the essence there [06:08] ok i think your right :) [06:09] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [06:10] alienBOB: mayhaps it might be an idea to consider having $ARCH set by default for 13.1 .. 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[06:21] indeed.. just thought it seemed a reasonable defoult since its that var thats used for building now that we actually have to architectures [06:22] as a profile.d/ file for example its still visible and easily changeable [06:23] mplayer really is the best player [06:25] alicephilippa (i=alice@78.105.168.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:26] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:31] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Zordrak: did you see whos back? [06:34] yeah.. says he did nothing wrong.. then a pig flew overhead [06:34] Zordrak: there was a gem earlier. apparently the solution to a problem meant giving the apache user a shell. [06:35] of course.. why wouldnt you? >.< [06:37] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:40] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [06:40] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.9.169) joined ##slackware. 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[07:13] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Zordrak: setting $ARCH plays hell with compileing kernel modules at least if set to i486. [07:18] hm [07:22] Alsa needs share libraries to work? [07:23] Axius: yes probably [07:27] zuao (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) joined ##slackware. [07:28] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [07:29] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) joined ##slackware. [07:30] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:41] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-133-59.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:42] Axius (n=fd@92.85.212.219) left irc: "leaving" [07:42] _bruno (n=bruno@201-13-184-89.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:44] How do you say this without offending someone as it is a business communication: "You are so epically stupid that i cant deal with it anymore and am therefore unprepared to try to train you any further. Just send change requests to me so I can stop wasting my time in a futile attempt to allow you to do it on your own"? [07:45] "want some cheese with that stupidity?" [07:45] One way is "I am unjustifiably arrogant which might mask some childhood traumas and deep-seated insecurities so disregard my social ineptitude" [07:45] Zordrak: something about ensuring the highest uptime possible through using a proper change control procedure [07:46] spook: its only internal wiki editing [07:46] Zordrak: and also oversight [07:46] spook: she's had instructions on basic editing many many many times from different people..m but still cant grasp the basics [07:46] is she hot? [07:47] im not wasting my time on any more training when the tasks she wants doing could be submitted to me and done in 20 seconds [07:47] tewmten: no. [07:47] tewmten: no. no. no. [07:47] fire her [07:47] no need for ugly people in office [07:48] theres a far more better excuse that doesnt lead in a lawsuit. "economical crisis" [07:48] :/ ill figure it out [07:49] i thought Zordrak was based in the US? where they don't have job security? [07:49] tewmten: uk, you twit [07:49] oh snap [07:49] well then.. [07:49] "accidents" do happen, you know.. [07:51] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "когда я умер небыло никого, кто бы это опроверг" [07:51] tewtem can take care of it but he'll need unmarked non-sequential 500 euro bills (j/k) [07:51] Axius (n=fd@92.85.212.219) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Does anyone use cmus? [07:53] meet him at kensgton gardens, you can recognize him bythe penguin=patterned necktie [07:53] Axius: ive used to for quite a while. not for a year or so though [07:54] Is fast? [07:55] its an ncurses player. define fast [07:55] Zordrak, I'm looking for work btw :P [07:55] faster than a speeding bullet and superman probably not :P [07:56] jonsmith1982: and im looking for help. Are you prepared to work for Ј0/hr? [07:56] it's so fast that all music played through it sounds like chipmunk-punk :) [07:56] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:56] I've installed mp3blaster from with sbopkg and i dont like it. [07:56] heh. "..." [07:56] mp3blaster is a thing of the past [07:56] thats was me not responding [07:56] cmus although dead upstream could have a place in 2009 too [07:57] Axius: i switched to moc after cmus. only cause it can have a two-pane interface [07:57] but i dos suppose volunteering has it's plus's. [07:57] but cmus handles large collections better [07:57] I was thinking about doing some volunteer work today actually. [07:58] i have problem with cmus i dont know how to add a playlist. [07:58] cmus has vi like keybindings [07:59] :a IIRC [07:59] and has tab completion as well [07:59] gnubien (n=e@231.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:01] irssi has tab completion ;) and nice one as well ;) [08:01] The-Croupier: yeah but irssi isnt an audio player :P [08:03] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Axius: if you cant handle cmus, moc is much easier to deal with [08:04] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.9.169) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:04] I will install it with sbopkg. [08:07] is the iexplore.exe in wine works fine ? [08:08] I've installed moc and i get this msg:command not found: moc [08:08] Axius: its mocp [08:08] moc is some kind of KDE thing [08:09] FATAL_ERROR: No decoder plugins have been loaded! [08:09] sahko: s/kde/qt/ [08:10] true:) [08:10] illovae (n=C-18@druuna.dud-t.org) joined ##slackware. [08:10] heya [08:11] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] sahko: Why I get that error msg when I try to open moc? [08:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:13] it shouldnt just say that. plus it should work despite of the messages. doesnt it? [08:14] if you want you can --disable stuff in configure. i think that'll make the messages go away [08:14] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) left irc: "Leaving" [08:15] no, it doesn't work. [08:16] paste the exact output somewhere. in some pastebin [08:16] Axius: do you have all of l/ installed? as in the slackware libraries [08:17] FATAL_ERROR: No decoder plugins have been loaded! [08:17] the moc site has info on dependencies. i suggest you visit it [08:17] moc.daper.net [08:17] ok [08:18] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [08:19] heh the SBo script builds with ffmpeg [08:19] maybe thats the problem [08:20] What should I do then? [08:22] i cant really tell you what to do, but id remove the patches [08:22] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [08:23] and use the latest moc version, the 2.5.0-alpha one [08:23] sorry gtg, good luck:) [08:23] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:23] damn i wish lilo labels were alittle longer [08:25] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:37] yay for iotop [08:39] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-38-105.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:43] adrien_ (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-c3b1674553f16029) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [08:43] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [08:44] Emery (n=emery@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [08:44] aigon (n=jfo@92.85.212.219) joined ##slackware. [08:44] Just wondering does slackware have a net install ? [08:45] depends on your definition of "net", but yes, it has some networking install cababilities [08:45] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:45] I was looking to download just 1 CD [08:45] and install via the net [08:45] you can do nfs, ftp/http, pxe, etc [08:45] i dont want to download all the other CDS [08:45] optionally, use the usb installer [08:46] aigon (n=jfo@92.85.212.219) left irc: Client Quit [08:46] Zordrak: (late reply) actually I have a /etc/profile.d/local.sh where I add my local customizations. I define ARCH in there [08:46] adrien_ (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-267d031fbdd142a2) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Emery, you can grab a usb installer that's around 50mb [08:47] Ronis_BR (n=Ronan@189-55-125-131-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-38-105.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:47] alienBOB: *nod* [08:47] Ronis_BR (n=Ronan@189-55-125-131-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [08:47] slackware_i486-current-mini-install.iso [08:47] ; [08:47] =] [08:47] Emery: apart from a USB installer, you can also get a small mini ISO image to burn to a CDROM (about 30 MB) for a net-install: http://slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/13.0/ [08:48] the F? I dont know about anyone else.. but ive just discovered in my setup that nfs is twice as fast as cifs(!!) [08:48] Emery: ah, you found it already [08:48] (for single stream single file) [08:48] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-53-185.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:48] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Zordrak: yes CIFS protocol has a lot of overhead. A FTP install is also very fast [08:49] alienBOB, thanks anyway [08:49] alienBOB: not install.. testing throughput on new slackware storage cluster [08:49] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-53-137.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [08:49] (should say slackware64 storage cluster) [08:52] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.22.215) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] Axius (n=fd@92.85.212.219) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:56] Would anyone know where i can find instructions for a mini install ? [08:56] Nick change: stygian_ -> stygian [08:56] freaking awesome... i just did a failover during an rsync over NFS and it didnt kill it.. rsync paused for a couple of seconds and then jkust carried on like nothing happened [08:57] You are using heartbeat Zordrak? [08:58] no.. pacemaker / openais / corosync [08:58] And what kind of shared storage are you using? [08:58] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:58] RAID61. RAID6 on 3ware +1 by DRBD [08:59] I have created and managed clusters using drbd/heartbeat for years, in critical environments. Huge success [08:59] alienBOB: http://blog.tpa.me.uk if you're interested.. its a "page" on the right hand side under the 10-step kernel guide [08:59] it is pretty awesome.. but the current state of things is pretty insane [09:00] there are now 4-5 separate software components to the stack [09:00] and some of it is pretty immature [09:00] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.111) joined ##slackware. [09:01] pacemaker depends on corosync (and sometimes openais, but sometimes not) which depends on the resource agents which depends on the cluster glue [09:01] y0 channel [09:01] and heartbeat code is still in three just kinda spread out [09:02] pdj154 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Nick change: pdj154 -> gvg596 [09:03] (apologies for the poor page layout.. but im a geek not a graphic designer) [09:05] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [09:06] zuao (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:09] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [09:10] alienBOB: oh.. and if you have any tips on performance / management / organisation.. theyre all welcome. This is my first foray into HA [09:11] impulse- (n=impy@88.147.64.235) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:14] kr_eten (n=quick@client-73-63-226.speedy-net.bg) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:14] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:16] delt0r (n=delt0r@kimura.cibiv.univie.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [09:19] So how long you guys been using Slackware ? [09:20] since 1996, i think [09:20] 1999 [09:20] what year is it again [09:20] 2009 [09:20] lol [09:20] i didnt make it to slack il just after v7 iirc [09:20] I was told you havn't used linux until you've used slackware [09:23] since 1993 when it was SLS [09:24] some real linux old timers then :P [09:24] aigon (n=jfo@92.85.212.219) joined ##slackware. [09:24] I am not old. [09:24] Action: theblackbox is a "whippersnapper" [09:24] Depends what you define as old i suppose :P [09:24] just experienced ;) [09:25] impy (n=impy@88.147.64.235) joined ##slackware. [09:25] tbh I'm not experienced either [09:25] zuao (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) joined ##slackware. [09:26] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Don't really think you have to be [09:27] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-249-246.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] slackware is a good learning distro [09:27] juan--d-_-b (i=1000@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [09:27] agree [09:27] \o/ [09:28] I'm not new to Linux, alot of Linux users i know recommend Slack [09:29] Why would anyone say? [09:29] Emery, its a good clean, stable distro, with more sane config IMO... [09:29] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.tea.bg) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-71-243.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:30] But if you want bleeding edge... or fancy pants experimental extras.. then thats what slack does not do [09:30] All i want is a stable system for my programming :) [09:31] delt0r: thats not a valid description [09:31] Zordrak, well thats what the IMO was for [09:31] delt0r: slackware-current is usually pretty bleeding-edge and fancy pants extras are a kernel config tweak or a slackbuild away [09:32] I;m sure if you ask 10 people you get 10 different description's ... [09:33] delt0r: What I mean is that you shouldn't spread the idea that using slackware means not being up-to-date. It's incorrect and not a good impression to give those that don't know. [09:33] Zordrak, indeed, and I was running current for a while, but almost all app versions are not the bleeding edge ones in most cases... [09:33] bleeding !=out of date [09:33] Zordrak, point taken [09:34] debian is not up to date ;-) [09:34] zuao (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:35] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-71-243.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:35] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-16-105.w90-34.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:37] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:38] zuao (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) joined ##slackware. [09:40] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:41] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:41] cant decide where to mount the storage cluster on client linux systems... /mnt/files wight be more correct but /files is simpler and in line with what has been done before here [09:41] tooly (n=tooly@e178132142.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:41] go with /files [09:43] so i want to upgrade my xf86-input-synaptics to a later version. is it possible to get the original slackbuild for this or something? [09:43] or ln -s /mnt/files /files :-) [09:44] amazon10x, look in source/ in the slackware tree. [09:44] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-38-105.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:44] aigon (n=jfo@92.85.212.219) left irc: "Leaving" [09:44] amazon10x, there's a giant slackbuild for x, read it. you can pass what needs to be rebuilt as an option to it. [09:45] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:46] x11.SlackBuild 11K. think i found it [09:46] amazon10x: if you have a newer xf86-input-synaptics tarball, then dump it into source/x/x11/src/drivers/ (removing the older version) and after that run "./x11.SlackBuild drivers xf86-input-synaptics" in the directory source/x/x11/ to build the updated package for xf86-input-synaptics [09:46] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.111) left irc: "Leaving" [09:47] cool. [09:47] alienBOB: sweet. let me grab that source directory real quick [09:47] s0d0 (n=bggr@host86-175-233-189.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Action: amazon10x begins to fumble with wget [09:48] --exclude="src/" for your first rsync of the x11 directory might save some time :) [09:48] thrice`: thanks [09:48] amazon10x, s/wget/rsync/ ;) [09:48] or, just exclude the tarballs I get [09:48] guess * [09:49] thrice`: for sure amazon10x has bought the Slackware DVD from the Store, so he already has all the sources ;-) [09:49] alienBOB: right.... "for sure" [09:49] heh [09:49] well, often I find rsync'ing is faster than finding my DVD :) [09:49] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:49] my excuse is i'm a college student [09:50] and i'd have that same problem as thrice` if i did have it [09:50] thrice`++ [09:50] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [09:50] aigon (n=jfo@92.85.212.219) joined ##slackware. [09:52] amazon10x: lack of money is a good excuse for not buying a DVD. [09:53] do you need an excuse? [09:54] alienBOB: tbh, i did look into buying it once, but $50 is just too much atm [09:54] aigon (n=jfo@92.85.212.219) left irc: Client Quit [09:55] That's a pitiful excuse. [09:55] $50 once or twice a year is pocket change. [09:56] rworkman, not for everyone. [09:56] I'll gladly accept a check once or twice a year rworkman [09:56] If you truly want to help support it, then putting $5 or so aside very month will not even be noticed. [09:56] thrice`: for nothing? That's a different breed of cat :) [09:57] i can write a thankyou card or something [09:57] haha [09:57] gvg596 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [09:57] Action: theblackbox would gladly sell you his cat for $50 a year [09:57] Seriously, anyone who can afford a computer and internet access can afford $5-10 per month in exchange for what you get. [09:58] angora? [09:58] rworkman: indeed $5 every month probably wouldn't be noticed, but alas i'm terrible at planning ahead. the fact that i don't know where i'm living in the next month makes me hesitant to be tossing money around [09:58] amazon10x: then your problem isn't lack of money - it's lack of planning. [09:58] or an unlucky combination of both maybe ;) [09:59] is there a way to donate money rather than buy the DVDs? i'd lose them in a week anyway [09:59] oh wait, i see the button [10:00] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host188-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:01] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [10:02] last night I suspended to ram by just executing `echo -n mem > /sys/power/state`. I have resumed, but my video card doesn't seem to want to reinitialize. seems I might have had to saved /proc/bus/pci/$ID_OF_VIDCARD to a file and then rewrite it out upon resume. is there any way to reinit video without rebooting without that snapshot of the video card params? [10:02] msft is not content with putting security holes in msie, they now put them into firefox too?! heh [10:03] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] mancha: old news. that was at least a couple of weeks ago [10:03] mancha: it's part of their cross-combatibility initiative, of course [10:03] amazon, hah [10:03] mishehu, pm-suspend had some videocard hooks for resume. i can't help in your case. [10:04] yes. the security holes must be cross-compatible. [10:04] truckman (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) joined ##slackware. [10:04] "we are committed to making our vulnerabilities compatible across vendors" [10:04] slava_dp: gah. well that's what I get for looking up how to suspend to ram after midnight on my way to bed. [10:05] *sqwak* reboot reboot *whistle* [10:06] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [10:06] mishehu, you can try alt+ctrl+f1, then switch back with alt+f7 and see if that fixes it [10:07] unless you have already rebooted :) [10:07] slackie (n=x@87.196.4.194) joined ##slackware. [10:10] hi* [10:11] mishehu: http://suspend.sourceforge.net/ worked like magic for me on my thinkpad [10:11] hey g4tt0 [10:12] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-079c30290c0bfb9b) left irc: [10:12] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.tea.bg) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:12] kr_eten (n=quick@client-73-63-226.speedy-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [10:13] ^^ [10:13] mag0o, pm-suspend-hybrid? does not work for me though, while pm-suspend and pm-hibernate do work. [10:13] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:15] with that suspend package, i just use s2ram and it works [10:15] so i grabbed the source/x11 directory and i put my own xf86-input-synaptics into the src/drivers dir, but when i run `./x11.SlackBuild drivers xf86-input-synaptics` the script immediately exits with no output [10:15] video and all [10:15] havent tried the s2both [10:15] any ideas, alienBOB ? [10:16] zuao (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [10:17] mag0o, will have to try that suspend package, i wasn't aware of it (how strange). i've used pm-hibernate all the time. [10:20] s0d0 (n=bggr@host86-175-233-189.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:20] i just run s2ram from /etc/acpi/actions/sleep.sh which is invoked from /etc/acpi/events/lid [10:20] v4nelle (n=van@adsl170-222.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:21] and also have fn+f12 bound to s2disk [10:22] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) joined ##slackware. [10:22] mag0o, i used to have pm-suspend in /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh for lid. but i got tired of it, interferes with my work too much. when i go around the office with the laptop, the lid gets closed by itself. [10:23] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:24] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:25] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:25] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:25] ohh, i named the folder "drivers" instead of "driver". it's chugging along now [10:26] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:27] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:27] s0d0 (n=bggr@host86-175-233-195.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:27] amazon10x, aah; the dir's need to be named just like the xorg folks distribute: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/ [10:28] yeah, i was looking through the script and saw that they're explicitly enumerated. got the pkg built now though and installed [10:28] now it's time to upgrade to 2.6.31, and my touchpad should autoconfigure and work perfectly :D [10:29] well except my two finger scroll i think. which i really really love, so i might try to see if i can fix that myself [10:29] synaptics can do that, if your hardware supports it :) [10:30] well, i was looking at the driver and it apparently can, but i think the new synaptics touchpads do multitouch in a different way [10:31] amazon10x, whats your laptop model? [10:31] samsung nc10 [10:32] two-finger scroll works beautifully on windows, but i couldn't get it on linux. if i recall correctly, i actually looked at the driver and what my touchpad was sending, and it was different than what the driver wanted for two-finger stuff [10:32] Action: Zordrak shows amazon10x *his* two-finger scroll... :) [10:32] i'll try it again after i get this kernel built [10:32] haha [10:32] i had multitouch not work due to a module option for psmouse in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse [10:32] amazon10x: it 'just works' for me. [10:32] tank-man: yeah, that always screws over synaptics for some reason. i had that fixed though [10:32] Action: alienBOB has two finger scroll working with Slackware 13 on a EeePC 1000HA out of the box [10:33] alienBOB: me too :) [10:33] alienBOB: do you know what touchpad you have? [10:33] i though eeepc used the one that starts with an E [10:33] elantech [10:33] And 2- and 3-finger tap works too (equals to right and middle mouse click) [10:33] yeah, that's it [10:34] i'm hoping that since i updated to the latest synaptics driver, and i'm working on the latest kernel now, that i'll get in on some of this "Just Works" action [10:34] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [10:35] i won't know until like 5PM when it's done compiling though :P [10:35] oh my o_O my kernel takes about 3 minutes to build [10:36] slackie (n=x@87.196.4.194) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:36] well, i'm lazy and i just build everything. if i bothered to configure to just build what i needed then i could probably cut it down a little [10:38] truckman (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:38] Other than having to manually enable it in the mouse properties, it just worked for my 900 too [10:38] slackmag1c (n=magician@pool-173-71-19-196.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] LSD what other irc's are you on ... Just curious nick rings a bell [10:39] Emery: I'm everywhere : [10:39] Security wise [10:40] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:40] Panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:40] zuao (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Nick change: wertik_rus -> wertik_rus|swimm [10:41] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:42] Panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [10:42] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:45] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:47] Is there any somewhat reliable source for newer KDE packages for Slackware 13? [10:49] TheTrash: the newer kde packages are for -current, not 13.0 [10:49] OR is -current stable enough to use at the moment? [10:49] spook: yeah, I noticed that. [10:49] I guess I'll upgrade to -current. [10:49] NOt exactly what I feel comfortable with, but I desperately need newer KDE. [10:49] desperately! [10:50] The one that comes with 13 is just too buggy. [10:50] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:50] uhhh [10:50] It randomly rearranges all my kicker icons at every startup, it has no printer dialog, lots of other random stuff. [10:50] TheTrash: i switched to xfce because of it. never got a chance to try the kde that's in -current right now, so maybe that's better [10:50] Window manager losing focus. [10:50] amazon10x: I sure hope so... either that or it's back to 3.x for now. [10:51] why the fear of -current, then, if you're already at an un-usable state? :) [10:51] thrice`: well, for now it's only KDE. [10:51] ba-dum-psh [10:51] Who knows what more will be broken in -current. [10:51] Not to mention the hassle of upgrading. [10:51] WorksForMe, but your milage may vary [10:51] man, you complain quite a bit. kde sucks, -current is too hard [10:52] I'm not complaining, just exploring my options. [10:52] in more interesting news, i hate twilight. [10:52] truckman (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) joined ##slackware. [10:52] See, if I come in here saying "boohoo my -current doesn't work", I'd get stuff like "shouldn't run -current then!" yelled in my face. [10:53] BUT I do feel the 13 release is rather broken with KDE4. [10:53] it was tested for quite a few months [10:53] -current is relatively stable, but it CAN break. [10:53] Is there anything apart from pkgtool i can use to install packages on Slackware ? [10:53] Emery: why? [10:53] Emery, slackpkg, or installpkg/upgradepkg/ etc [10:54] spook: well, some stuff obviously slipped. Which is alright. But it's not very usable at the moment for me. [10:54] thrice`: slackpkg just calls installpkg and upgradepkg, doesn't it? [10:54] yep [10:54] thaks thrice` [10:54] Is a slackpackage dist upgrade safe? [10:54] Eh slackpkg [10:54] Emery: those use pkgtool. [10:54] TheTrash: if you follow the instructions [10:55] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:55] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:55] TheTrash, yes, that's why it's in slackware :) read the man-page, it's a pretty quick 3 or 4 step process [10:56] you should definitely read the changelog if you run -current, as Pat is usually detailed with his comments, or any "gotchas" that you might hit [10:57] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:57] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [10:57] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) joined ##slackware. [10:59] If I begin to add passwordless entries for applications in my sudoers file, does that negate the security advantages of using a non-root account in the first place? [10:59] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [11:00] rogersman: somewhat. [11:00] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.169) joined ##slackware. [11:02] zuao (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [11:04] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:04] does anyone here use MUDs?/what Mudclient do you use :3 [11:04] molinero (n=molinero@189.162.194.246) joined ##slackware. [11:04] chee: take your boots off before you come in, you've got MUD everywhere, even in the carpet [11:04] just curious why slackpkg search gnome .. didnt come up with the gnome desktop ? [11:05] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:05] spook: are there any apps/whatever that I should definitely *not* allow pwd-less access? kcontrol should be allright presumably? [11:05] Emery: gnome hasnt been in slackware since 10.0 [11:05] there is no gnome desktop in the slackware :3 [11:05] i see [11:05] So which desktops are available ? [11:05] read the annouce. xfce kde... [11:06] there are several GNOME implementations available, though, from other source :3 [11:06] i have fluxbox now [11:06] or you could use fluxbox (^w^)b [11:06] gnome slackbuild and dropline are examples [11:06] Emery: fluxbox is nice [11:06] it\s nice after an hours work lol [11:06] fluxbox is the best :3 anything else is X by accident [11:07] tank-man: switching between x and console tty's didn't work. and I had a much bigger issue after reboot... seems that the fs's need to be synced before everything is suspended to ram. [11:07] Action: mishehu just had to reload his machine because repairing the fs damage was going to talk too long. [11:07] mishehu, i also can't switch between X and console ttys! [11:07] mishehu, do you have a solution ?! [11:08] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-e4e26748512809da) joined ##slackware. [11:08] chee: my problem was only after resuming from suspend-to-ram. is that the problem you are having? [11:08] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [11:08] mishehu, no :[ i have this problem all of the time [11:09] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-63-84-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] chee: I've *never* had that problem in the 15 years that I run linux. maybe you have a problem that is caused by your keyboard mapping? [11:10] chee: or using a text console setting that is other than the simplest default option? [11:10] I always have my console at the lowest setting, so that if something borks up I still get to see whats on my screen [11:11] it could be a keyboard mapping problem. This was happening when I was using the lowest console setting, I actually switched off the lowest setting to see if it made a difference, but it did not [11:11] I think the problem began when I fixed something that wasn't broken [11:12] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:12] chee: I often find that fixing things that aren't broken often leads to headaches :-) [11:12] i think it was spook who corrected me by telling me the Xorg keyboard map was ignored in Sw13 [11:12] chee: what was it that you had fiddled with? [11:12] chee: yes i did. [11:12] so I reimplemented my changes in the poper manner [11:12] I think it was around this time that my problem occured [11:12] s0d0 (n=bggr@host86-175-233-195.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:13] but deleting the customised keybaord file did not rid me of the problem [11:13] s0d0 (n=bggr@host86-175-233-225.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:13] also, I can't be sure of what else I had changed before that restart, as this is a rather new slackware installation [11:13] I always use standard us or il keyboard mappings. the il keyboard is the same layout as the us one as far as function, ctrl, alt, etc keys. [11:14] chee: do you boot up straight into X? [11:14] I also can't be entirely certain of the chronology [11:14] no, mishehu , i do not [11:14] when I first boot up, I can switch between the separate consoles [11:14] well if you can switch between ttys before you launch X, it definitely sounds like keyboard mapping issues [11:15] aha, so it is a keyboard issue [11:15] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-63-84-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:15] chee: what keyboard layout do you use? [11:15] i believe i am using the standard gb layout [11:16] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:17] chee: assuming that there is great resembelence, have you tried left ctrl & left alt + # versus right ctrl & right alt + # ? [11:17] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) left ##slackware. [11:17] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:17] yes, [11:17] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [11:17] anyone have/use an Asus M4A78T-3 MB [11:18] it does not work either [11:18] v6CommO: are you asking because you want to buy it? [11:18] i will try deleting all references to custom keyboard layouts first, then set it all back up again aftewards [11:18] v6CommO: or are you asking because you have a problem that you think is specific to this motherboard [11:18] mishehu: yes...building out a new system [11:19] aigon (n=jfo@92.84.12.141) joined ##slackware. [11:19] v6CommO: what is unique about the motherboard? *generally* speaking, pretty much any asus mobo that I know of works with linux. [11:20] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-e4e26748512809da) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [11:20] Action: mishehu has an m2n32 sli premium pista edition mobo [11:21] mishehu: nothing really out of the ordinary with it [11:21] v6CommO: just fishing for recommendations and the like? [11:21] just figured I would throw it out there to see if anyone has/uses one [11:22] and then probe the realm of possible issues w/ sata, etc after recompiling [11:23] realm of possible *kernel configuration* issues with sata? [11:23] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-142-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "[BX] Pretzel Boy uses BitchX. Shouldn't you?" [11:25] mishehu: if by configuration issues you mean, unexpected issues after recompiling [11:25] then yes [11:26] specifically RAID [11:27] shyko (n=francisc@187.39.214.15) joined ##slackware. [11:27] hello! [11:29] I know/understand that Asus is generally well supported [11:29] just fishing for info [11:30] v6CommO: yeah the raid crap... I've had too many issues with the crappy onboard wannabe-RAID controllers that I broke down and bought an areca 1210... [11:30] mishehu, i can't find the evdev keyboard layout file :3 [11:30] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] chee: evdev isn't a layout heh [11:31] nono, the [11:31] aigon (n=jfo@92.84.12.141) left irc: "Leaving" [11:31] the file that one copies to the folder that can then be edited to set up the keyboard [11:32] Action: chee remembers no details [11:32] perhaps it started with a 10 [11:34] mitchx (n=mitchx@chello089077133211.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:34] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:36] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-a7c7f9c1fca0fa8a) joined ##slackware. [11:36] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [11:37] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [11:38] aigon (n=jfo@92.85.21.141) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Anyone have success "creating" qos for skype ? [11:39] yup [11:39] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-64-158.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [11:39] jg71: using l7 right ? [11:39] removepkg skype* ;) [11:39] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [11:39] lol [11:39] i use ekiga [11:39] removecomputer [11:40] any other ideas for having fun in slackware aside of running slackware inside slackware? [11:41] chee: donno man [11:41] dissociative: why not run slackware within slackware within slackware? [11:41] and keep doing it [11:41] having hal fun again, arent we? gee. [11:41] and see many of them you can nest before you crash and burn [11:41] oh it wont be pretty [11:42] odd [11:42] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:43] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:44] truckman (n=joaogoju@189.88.130.107) left irc: No route to host [11:44] hyi how much time will take you to prepare the kde 4.3.3 ? I mean the guys who own the package mirrors ... [11:45] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:45] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.77.80) joined ##slackware. [11:45] it takes as much time as it needs, paul424 , theres no golden rule [11:45] ok [11:46] if you need it now, you should consider building it yourself [11:46] Action: mishehu hopes that building kde doesn't take nearly as much time as building qt itself does... [11:47] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:47] echelon (n=echelon@2001:41d0:1:bb3f:0:0:0:1020) left irc: "leaving" [11:47] nah, longer :) [11:47] gotta love C++ [11:47] see you next month, mishehu ;P [11:48] today in college, a kid in my class asked how he could make windows run faster [11:48] my tutor told him he could make it run at about 9.8m a second, by drop kicking it off of a, preferably, high building [11:49] quite the definition of "running" [11:49] dx^2/d^2t = 9.81m.s^-2 [11:49] and then added as a note, that if the boy wanted his computer to run faster [11:49] ^^ that way [11:49] he, same idea ;p [11:49] he could remove windows from his computer, and install Linux [11:50] he said 'red hat, or fedora.. or' [11:50] and i started choking trying to stop him [11:50] 'ubuntu, i believe is the popular one this week' [11:50] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:50] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.30.70) joined ##slackware. [11:50] so, as i had failed. I summoned all of the elitist wanker power i could [11:50] and with a sharp and bold tone announced [11:50] your tutor doesn't understand the difference between velocity and acceleration [11:51] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [11:51] 'I use Slackware.' [11:51] hmmm, there's something that looks like an elephant dung in the fridge [11:51] alreadygone (n=silas@119.154.0.128) joined ##slackware. [11:51] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:51] mancha: i expect he does understand that, but he wasn't able to generate a joke as quickly and correctly as he would have liked [11:51] mancha: there exists a t where he is right :D [11:52] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [11:52] hello fire|bird [11:52] noooooooo! [11:52] Camarade not quite [11:52] hi g4tt0 [11:52] seeing as he is an engineer [11:52] hi fire|bird :3 [11:52] greetings everyone. [11:52] hi chee :) [11:52] /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes2:The best way to accelerate a Macintoy is at 9.8 meters per second, squared. [11:52] y0 Camarade_Tux [11:52] fire|bird is my internet gf [11:52] that one ^^ [11:52] fire|bird: :) [11:52] hello mancha [11:52] if the building is not tall, then that "t" you theoretically mantion might never exist [11:52] the floor gets in the way, you see.... [11:53] alreadygone (n=silas@119.154.0.128) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:53] hello, slackware mounts automaticly my digital camera, but when i clicked to open it slack shows this [11:53] http://dpaste.com/116241/ [11:53] chee: ok, um, I'm a dude, so that doesn't sound good. :/ [11:53] Action: chee snuggles up to fire|bird [11:53] I should stop reading fortunes, I know too many of them =/ [11:53] (^w^)b [11:53] Camarade_Tux: the fortune I got today was "I hate dying" [11:53] Action: chee brb [11:53] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:54] fire|bird: lol ;p [11:55] btw What is the sense of putting the md5 sums if they can be as well hacked at put at the server side , huh ? [11:55] s/at/and [11:55] for you to check them for corruption [11:56] .asc files are what you're after [11:56] what's with this "hacking md5" stuff? has it ever been done, in reality? [11:56] hey thrice`, how are you? [11:57] yeah but once I read its protection from trojan putting onto the mirros [11:57] thrice`: a few ones [11:57] paul424: as you said, not the most effective thing [11:57] thrice`: No, I say If I have the access to the ftp server then I can put the md5 checksum of my faked program. [11:57] hi fire|bird :) [11:57] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-57-87.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:58] thrice`: if, by "reality" you mean in a laboratory with huge resources, then "yes". [11:58] no, I mean, has anyone actually gotten into the linux directory of osuosl, hacked check-sums, and people, of any OSS project, have been affected? [11:58] freebse (n=freebse@g226091203.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:58] freebse2 (n=freebse@g226091203.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:59] freebse2 (n=freebse@g226091203.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:59] thrice`: *that*, I have no idea [11:59] thrice`: Although after a more drastic approach, I have xfpm working now again. I rsync'd the slack64 tree, and then ran upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new on the whole business (minus kde/, e/) and now the thing works. :P [11:59] o_O [11:59] so, something was fubar'd somewhere beyond xfpm and it's deps. [12:01] S74N70 (i=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:01] thrice`: that, of course, gave me back 0.6.6, but then once I seen that was working, I upgraded to 0.8.4.1 and now all is well. :) [12:01] alienBOB: WRT pacemaker.. if just had to spend my whole afternoon digging around in mercurial (with which im not familiar) to discover that.. after having the primary maintainer blame "my environment" for an architecture-related compile failure.. it was his own damn fault for adding a hardcoded `LIBS="$LIBS -L${prefix}/lib"` to configure.ac -- Suffice to say I was not a fan of the current pacemaker development process beforehand.. i am even less so [12:02] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-64-158.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:03] maddslacker (n=corey@c-67-190-191-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] md5 is a hash which means it is collidable. in fact, not just theoretically, it has been collided in practice [12:05] by a huge cluster of PC's or something, right? [12:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [12:05] these two things are true: if the files are the same their md5 hash is the same AND if the md5 hash's are different the files are different [12:05] actually a cluster of xboxs or summit [12:06] however, this third thing is not true: if the md5 hashes are the same the files are the same [12:08] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [12:08] i guess I find the whole "md5 sum is exploited" thing to be really tin-foil-hat-ish [12:08] someone proved they can do it with hundreds of ps3's in a cluster - big deal [12:09] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-16-105.w90-34.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:09] I can get either scroll OR tap to click on my laptop touchpad (Alps) can someone point me to a decent tutorial to enable both in slack? [12:09] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-129-204.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] it is rather easy to collide md5s actually [12:10] so while yes, i would not run in fear from an md5 on an official mirror, i would not want my bank ssl certificate to be md5 fingerprinted [12:11] ok, that's fair :) [12:12] gapan (n=gapan@adsl191-106.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:12] get (n=winsucks@unaffiliated/get) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:12] molinero (n=molinero@189.162.194.246) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:15] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [12:15] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:15] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [12:16] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.46) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Stanto (i=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: No route to host [12:19] saTTY (n=satyendr@59.94.74.131) joined ##slackware. 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[12:28] :D [12:29] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [12:29] Action: chee switches virtual terminals like nobody's business. he is on tty1, tty3 ! nobody can stop him [12:29] How to mount a slack partition? [12:30] mishehu, keyboard layout was the problem (^w^)b [12:30] aigon, can you be (a lot) more specific? [12:31] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166032149.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:31] brb, reboot [12:31] maddslacker (n=corey@c-67-190-191-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:32] I have a xubuntu partition and I want to access the home partition in slack. [12:32] molinero (n=molinero@189.162.194.246) joined ##slackware. [12:32] aigon: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+mount+partition [12:34] Zordrak, thanks [12:36] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [12:42] does anyone know of a howto doc on installing slack to boot from tftp and mount an nfs root? [12:43] rather, boot from pxe, using tftp to load the kernel and initrd [12:45] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-155-116.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [12:46] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-79-234.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] deco: maybe you know... :) [12:46] nyRednek: hmmmm what's going on ? :P [12:47] deco: know of a howto doc on installing a slack to boot via pxe, loading kernel and initrd via tftp, then mounting an nfs root? [12:47] aigon (n=jfo@92.85.21.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:48] nyRednek: this ? http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe [12:51] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] deco: not quite [12:54] deco: that's using the network to start slackware installation [12:54] deco: i'm wanting a server to serve diskless workstations [12:55] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] deco: that way, i will be able to keep a network up to date by running upgrades on one machine(one volume set) [12:56] get (n=winsucks@unaffiliated/get) joined ##slackware. [12:56] nyRednek: oh , i don't know about that .. sounds interesting [12:56] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426439.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:56] juan--d-_-b (i=1000@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:57] Nick change: wertik_rus|swimm -> wertik_rus [12:59] deco: getting ready to build a home network and i'm intending to use that for the network pc's...turning the notebooks diskless(with a usb key installed os) for when someone needs a pc away from home [12:59] molinero (n=molinero@189.162.194.246) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [13:00] nyRednek: ah , that's gonna be fun :) [13:01] big bird looks awesome on googles home page [13:01] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-174-105.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:01] deco: yeah...looking forward to it...the howto's on making a livefs(written on slax's website) have been helpful [13:02] `cool [13:03] deco: and i'm wanting to write a script to freshen home directory files by plugging the person's flash drive into a client(won't be able to test that until i get the network up) [13:03] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-a7c7f9c1fca0fa8a) left irc: "Page closed" [13:03] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:03] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-38f2c1268dae31b7) joined ##slackware. [13:05] hi where do i put the gateway IP add on my init1.conf...? [13:05] nyRednek: awesome, are you still using using that wm that starts with an f, i forgot the name .. [13:06] i mean rc.inet1.conf [13:06] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-142-127.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [13:06] matze (n=matze@95-89-141-80-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Hi [13:06] hi [13:07] hi anyone have idea, im setting my static ip, how do i put my gateway address on rc.inet1.conf.. [13:08] find out which is the gateway [13:08] which ip has the gateway [13:09] anybody use/used or heard something about initng? is it worth it trying it? i'm using a ssd [13:09] if you use dhcp look at /sbin/route -n and the destination route of 0.0.0.0 is the ip of the gatewat [13:09] gateway [13:09] dissociative: i know already the gateway ip, problem is where to put it in [13:09] how do i change keymaps in slackware 13 for x11 ? :> i already tried with 10-keymap.dfi and xorg.conf .. [13:09] to make it permanent [13:10] fredg (n=fredg@unaffiliated/fredg) joined ##slackware. [13:10] ruben23: there's at GATEWAY the end of the third network interface [13:10] screen -r [13:10] oops [13:11] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:11] dissociative: yeha i see it thanks [13:13] by the way anyone has this problem with firefox: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/attachment.php?attachmentid=1851&d=1257079910 [13:13] I have it under slackware-12.1 [13:14] It happened since I switched to firefox-3.5.x [13:15] it is like some background images of some webpages arent being rasterized [13:16] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-113-197.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:16] screen -r [13:16] hi why im on root and when i run this --->/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf restart---> i got permission denied.. [13:16] because that's the config file [13:17] screen -r [13:17] damn [13:17] how do i restart my network [13:17] rc.inet1 restart [13:17] I guess that the most fun in slackware would be to have withdrawal of X and just use the console for all needs [13:18] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.30.70) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19] thrice`: bad command [13:19] Hm, what's the thing in KDE4 called that's now where the desktop used to be? [13:19] thrice`: imean command not found [13:19] ruben23, sigh, obviously /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [13:19] freack (n=freack@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [13:19] TheTrash: Folder View [13:19] Action: thumbs hands ruben23 a unix manual [13:19] It's a kde4 plasmoid [13:19] firefox sucks :> eats 30% cpu while doing nothing [13:20] It's the only thing that won't start after I upgraded to current. [13:20] wrong speeling :> sry [13:20] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [13:20] Any idea how it can be started manually? [13:21] v4nelle (n=van@adsl170-222.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:21] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [13:22] brb [13:23] matze (n=matze@95-89-141-80-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: "leaving" [13:23] geez [13:24] chee: glad you found the issue. hopefully it's all solved now [13:24] mipz (n=guilherm@189.6.150.148) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Nick change: mipz -> mipz0r [13:24] ^^ [13:25] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:25] Nick change: mipz0r -> mipz [13:25] Nick change: mipz -> mipz0r [13:30] sier_ (n=sier@c-24-62-71-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-57-87.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:30] v4nelle (n=van@adsl10-47.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:36] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [13:36] hrmmm... [13:37] tooly (n=tooly@e178132142.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [13:38] Necos, try putting some thought into your sentence before you type :) [13:38] says the guy that bitches about download mirrors... you're one to talk [13:39] How can i convert jpeg to grayscale jpeg using command ' convert' [13:39] ? [13:41] man convert [13:41] no idea :P [13:41] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.33) joined ##slackware. [13:42] convert has a -colorspace option [13:42] convert -list colorspace [13:42] for available ones [13:43] -monchrome ? [13:43] -monochrome [13:44] monohrome , image pixel are white or black [13:44] that's not greyscale :D [13:44] sier (n=sier@unaffiliated/sier) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] file:///usr/share/doc/ImageMagick-6.5.3/www/command-line-options.html#monochrome [13:45] gapan, i need greyscale [13:45] greyscale=different shades of grey [13:46] monochrome=black and white only [13:46] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:46] ok [13:46] gapan, not according to wikipedia. [13:46] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx03458.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] convert color.jpg -colorspace Grey grey.jpg [13:46] gapan, -colorspace Grey works [13:46] jonsmith1982: really? [13:46] deco: yeah, still running fvwm [13:47] nyRednek: i'm using dwm [13:47] deco: dwm? [13:47] nyRednek: yeah it's a tiling wm [13:47] wikipedia says what I'm saying [13:48] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.201.157) left irc: "brb" [13:48] deco: screenshot/website? [13:48] nyRednek: yeah i'm taking one [13:48] well, It's not something which i'm prepared to argue over so... goodluck tmkd [13:48] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:48] ls [13:48] grrrr sorry [13:49] >.> [13:50] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:50] deco: forgot which xterm held your irssi? [13:50] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.46.14) joined ##slackware. [13:50] nyRednek: no i had the wrong window focused [13:50] jonsmith1982, what? [13:51] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-142-127.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:51] deco: focus-follows-mouse? [13:51] I try to add some to cmus and it does not work on Slack but on Xubuntu it's working ok. What should I do to make it work Slack too? [13:51] nyRednek: no yeah , http://omploader.org/vMnA0NQ [13:51] deco: or you forgot to click-to-focus? [13:51] i mean yeah* [13:51] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-174-105.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:52] I try to add mp3 file some to cmus and it does not work on Slack but on Xubuntu it's working ok. What should I do to make it work Slack too? [13:52] nyRednek: alt+j selects windows and i had the wrong one [13:52] deco: looks like ewm, almost [13:52] nyRednek: it's based on wmii [13:53] hi anyone have idea on this error on my mirror---->http://pastebin.com/m3870f001 [13:53] Axius, did you compile cmus against a package that supports mp3? [13:53] Axius, pastebin "ldd $( which cmus )" [13:53] deco: i'm happy with fvwm, tbh [13:53] nyRednek: yeah, i open a lot of xterms and i have a small screen so a tiling wm is perfect for me [13:54] deco: well, ewm, or emacs wm, has several buffer screens, etc [13:54] it's like emacs, but uses the lisp environment to manage applications, instead of buffers [13:54] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [13:54] nyRednek: oh, interesting but i'm a vim user :P [13:55] lotec (n=lotec@static-96-254-222-162.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] deco: you all know i'm in the emacs crowd [13:55] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [13:55] nyRednek: but i open xterms for other things not just for vim etc... [13:55] but the guy who put emacs on windows can keep his mouth shut about free software [13:55] what up slackers [13:55] nyRednek: heh yeah [13:56] thrice`: this is the link http://dpaste.com116302/ [13:56] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:56] nyRednek finally we agree on something :) [13:57] Action: Necos uses emacs [13:57] Axius, from that, I can tell that you didn't build it against any libraries, really :) [13:57] Necos: the fscking hypocrite condemned freebsd for allowing the use of nonfree software [13:57] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Axius, does "ls /var/log/packages/libmad*" return anything? [13:57] Necos: and then endorsed netbsd [13:58] my cmus doesn't link against anything and plays mp3 fine [13:58] I've installed cmus with the default senttings from slackbuilds. [13:58] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:59] eh? what a dingdong >.> [14:00] Axius, do you have libmad installed? [14:00] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [14:01] no, I dont. [14:01] lol [14:01] fail [14:01] lol [14:01] heya Necos [14:01] Axius, are you on slackware (and not crap-derived-fromslackware) ? [14:02] I'm on Slack 13.0. [14:02] as long as he is not on urbantu [14:02] cmus here doesn't link to anything because there are plugins in /usr/lib/cmus/ [14:02] and /usr/lib/cmus/mad.so is present [14:02] gapan, it should only build the mad.so if libmad is installed, right? [14:02] yes [14:03] but the cmus executable doesn't directly link to libmad apparently [14:03] so ldd cmus will never show anything [14:03] Axius, any reason you didn't do a full install of l/ ? [14:03] heya fire|bird [14:03] gotta go move my car, argh >.<; [14:03] brb [14:03] mm, ok. sorry :( [14:04] I've removed libmad by error. [14:04] so install it again and recompile cmus [14:04] ok [14:06] hiptobecubic (n=john@75.111.189.11) joined ##slackware. [14:07] S74N70 (i=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [14:07] Stanto (i=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Stanto (i=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] i thought it was called SCREWEDbuntu [14:08] I've installed libmad and cmus does not work. [14:08] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:08] did you recompile and reinstall cmus? [14:08] you need to recompile and reinstall it [14:09] Walice (i=5998b24c@gateway/web/freenode/x-3e23153f9799a483) joined ##slackware. [14:09] I remove cmus with pkgtool and then I've installed it with sbopkg. [14:10] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-24-21-15-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:11] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-24-21-15-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] What the hack I did wrong? [14:11] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [14:12] Axius, not sure what you're trying to do, but if it's an option to be passed to ./configure or something then you might need to tell sbopkg about it [14:12] no, no extra configure options are needed if libmad is there [14:12] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [14:12] hey hiptobecubic [14:12] hello [14:13] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:13] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.46.14) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:14] So i'm trying to make something of my life and I can't decide what to study. I'm looking at applied statistics, computational biology/bioinformatics, bioengineering (need some extra courses), biophysics [14:14] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:14] hiptobecubic: I have installed from slackbuilds with sbopkg. [14:14] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:14] Maybe something else if i it looks good [14:14] hiptobecubic: study it all, be a genius in everything. :P [14:15] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:15] werneck (n=pedro@189.62.120.235) joined ##slackware. [14:15] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Client Quit [14:15] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) joined ##slackware. [14:15] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [14:15] Axius, in sbopkg, right before you tell it to build, you can tell it what options you want to pass to ./configure. I would first look at the slackbuild and see if it already has the option you want, then i'd run `./configure --help` in the source and see if the option is there [14:16] Axius, if neither of those look helpful, look at the buildlog of the package (also available in sbopkg) and see if the configure script mentioned anything about ... whatever it is you're looking for ... when it was testing things [14:17] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:17] fire|bird, i think the problem, is that all i really want to do is sit around and make lo-tech robots and toys for myself [14:17] hiptobecubic: ok I'll look [14:18] hiptobecubic: Well, start selling the robots and make a living out of it. :) [14:18] hiptobecubic: be the next person to go on tv saying they make millions selling on eBay. :P [14:19] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-236-83.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left ##slackware. [14:19] I was thinking about making a self-tuning wifi antenna, but i need to buy a micro-controller [14:19] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-236-83.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Walice (i=5998b24c@gateway/web/freenode/x-3e23153f9799a483) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [14:19] And act like that SlapChop guy.... you'll see millions and make billions. [14:19] *sell [14:19] :D yes [14:19] What's his name? Steve? [14:20] I really like some of the remixes people have done of that commercial. [14:20] evening all [14:20] dive, hey [14:20] Nick_Patterson: haha, that idiot that says "Your gonna love my nuts" :P [14:20] or a motivational speaker that tells you how to earn millions... by motivational speeches. [14:20] evening dive [14:20] No idea, I can't get past his annoying face. fire|bird LOL! [14:20] Well, afternoon here. [14:20] It works, thanks guys! [14:20] dive, interesting news! pidgin voice worked with a gmail/gtalk user (still no vid) [14:20] Axius, what was it? [14:20] I'm trying to get lilo to do something... I have a hard disk with windows installed at sda1, and another with slackware on sdb1... lilo works fine with this... however, I need to be able to disconnect sdb and put another hard disk in place there, but when I do it, lilo don't work... seems like it won't find the files supposed to be in sdb1/boot/... how can I put those files in a partition in sda, without making that the root partition? [14:20] that's ome progress then [14:20] jonsmith1982: "Just order my book today and you'll be making big money in 30 days or your money back" :P [14:21] wingevil (n=mro@p4FEFD146.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] what's there to lose? [14:21] dive: How's it going? [14:21] thrice`: everything? :P [14:21] :P [14:21] werneck, what? what files are you talking about? [14:22] I've built it and then installed it. [14:22] hiptobecubic: the kernel image files in /boot/ [14:22] Axius, did you do anything to make it work? also what was it [14:22] fire|bird, was going great for a while. Then I locked myself out my flat, a builder tried to gemmy the door and broke the frame :/ [14:22] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:22] dive: ouch [14:22] dive: Well, if he's a builder, make him fix it. :P [14:23] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [14:23] tomorrow he's coming back with some glue. But I'm thinking new door please. [14:23] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.156.140) joined ##slackware. [14:23] hiptobecubic: nothing special. thank anyway! [14:23] it's plastic so will look bad [14:23] Plastic door? [14:23] dive: yeah, it will. [14:23] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [14:23] frame [14:23] werneck, just make a new partition, put the files there, and change /dev/sdb1 to /dev/sda2 for the appropriate files in /etc/lilo.conf [14:24] Nick_Patterson, yeah mostly plastic coated ali I think but the part of the frame that seals up to the door edge is just vinyl [14:24] werneck, but first make sure you have another way to boot so that when you bork this you aren't stuck :) [14:24] hiptobecubic: yes, that's what I tried, but it's not working [14:24] dive: Well, duct tape fixes everything, just wrap the tape all around the frame/door to have a unified look. :P [14:24] hha yeah [14:24] Lol [14:24] werneck, did you run `lilo` ? [14:24] hiptobecubic: yes, of course [14:24] werneck, pastebin lilo.conf [14:25] so, I keep sdb1 as root and sda as boot, and where sda2 goes? [14:25] werneck, pastebin lilo.conf [14:26] I can't tell what you're trying to do if i can't see it. [14:26] wingevil (n=mro@p4FEFD146.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [14:26] hiptobecubic: I'm doing this on another box with nothing installed so far, I can't paste it, but I will copy the options... [14:27] bah, I guess it's not just xfce compositing, but compiz as well that I lose all terminal transparency if I enable either. :/ [14:27] how to make alsamixer to have the some volume setting everytime I start slack? [14:28] Axius: alsactl store [14:28] fire|bird, xfce terminal? [14:28] dive: yeah [14:28] Axius: set it as root, and then alsactl store ah fire|bird beat me to it [14:28] hey slackmag1c [14:28] Nick change: slackmag1c -> slackmagic [14:28] Axius, it should do that automatically. check and make sure /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa is normal looking (should have alsactl restore somewhere in there) [14:28] hey what's up fire|bird [14:28] hiptobecubic: http://pastebin.com/m2fd635f0 [14:28] Axius, also make sure /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa is executable (chmod +x) [14:29] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] hiptobecubic: ok [14:29] slackmagic: not much, just messing with xfce, changed the wallpaper and enabled compiz and I lose terminal transparency, same with xfce's compositor. :P you? [14:30] The xfce panel, however, *is* transparent. [14:30] fire|bird, I had some problems with transparency. I fixed it by fbsetbg a wallpaper (same as xfce is using). [14:30] werneck, and you want to have windows on /dev/sda1, linux on /dev/sdb1, and your lilo config on /dev/sda2? [14:31] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.165.226) joined ##slackware. [14:31] hi there [14:31] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.118) joined ##slackware. [14:31] hiptobecubic: that's the idea... I want lilo to still works when I disconnect sdb [14:31] hi [14:31] dive: Ah, I sort of have it figured out. I open a new terminal and it is transparent, it's just not transparent in this one which I'm using with screen + irssi. [14:31] fire|bird, actually it was in kde that I lost trans but maybe same trick will work in xfce [14:32] haha, fortune just gave me a Long Island Iced Tea recipe. :P [14:32] right drink, wrong season [14:32] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:32] fire|bird: oh same old, ocd has overcome, so i'm still sorting out all the data/files I've got before I will finally put 13.0 on this one [14:33] fire|bird, should be hot toddies all round [14:33] bah, now my volume controls aren't working on the laptop. :/ [14:34] Does alsa needs share libraries to work correct? [14:34] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] werneck, have you tried using "boot=/dev/sda2" (where /dev/sda2 has the appropriate files?) [14:37] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.9.242) joined ##slackware. [14:38] Axius, probably? why? [14:39] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:39] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A76715.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [14:40] greetings [14:40] y0 slackytude [14:40] hi slackytude [14:40] y0 fire|bird & yo dive [14:40] hows it hanging [14:40] hiptobecubic: yes, I tried... actually it was /dev/sda5... it has to be a primary partition? [14:41] sixfish (n=sixfish@c-98-237-192-179.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] I dont want them to be loaded everytime slack starts. it take to longe. [14:41] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:41] hey guys :) , can someone tell me where are the slackware downloads ? [14:41] y0 fredoslack [14:41] i seem to always have trouble finding that at their site [14:41] slackytude: how's it going? [14:41] sixfish, do you mean stock packages? [14:41] sixfish, or the whole distro cd/dvd? [14:41] there, got the volume issue fixed. [14:41] dive: the whole distro cd/dvd [14:42] fire|bird, just got home from uni, kinda tired. How is it on your end? [14:42] werneck, not sure, i haven't tried to do what you are doing. where are some other people in here that would probably know better. or ask on linuxquestions.org [14:42] slackytude: excellent, thanks. [14:42] hiptobecubic: ok [14:42] sixfish, follow link 'Get Slack' on left, wait a sec for server list to show, then select one near you geographically [14:42] sixfish, that is from slackware.com [14:43] hiptobecubic: I dont want them to be loaded everytime slack starts. it takes to longe. [14:43] Axius, shared libraries? [14:43] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] dive, i did there are no large files on that section [14:43] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:43] dive: well there is one iso :) from torrent [14:44] hehe [14:44] http://www.slackware.com/torrents/slackware64-13.0-install-dvd.torrent [14:44] sixfish, try a different server perhaps, or torrent yes [14:44] thats the only one that is available, but it is ok ill get this one [14:44] ill just get the whole 9 yards ;) [14:44] dive: thank you friend [14:44] np [14:44] hi guys, anyone had firefox refusing to start on 32 13.0? i have the lastest version, but even before that it wasn't starting. i type firefox and it does nothing... [14:44] Axius, if you don't want sound, i suppose you could avoid loading your audiodrivers... [14:44] yesyes, killall firefox-bin help? [14:45] dive, slackytude: plain and simple, but: http://omploader.org/vMnA0bA [14:45] hiptobecubic: yeah, and other stuff. [14:45] dive: nope :( [14:45] it's not a running process [14:45] yesyes, what happens when you type firefox in a terminal? anything useful? [14:45] apparently a restart will fix it, but i'm not running windows :( hiptobecubic, no it just sits there, doing nothing, not even looking pretty. [14:45] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5457c96e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:46] hmm strange. I've had a problem sometimes when changing themes in kde and firefox doesn't shut down properly [14:46] fire|bird, nifts, if a bit dark [14:46] nifty [14:46] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.9.242) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:46] hiptobecubic: when I run lilo I get the warning that boot sector and map file are on different disks... sound like that 's the problem [14:46] Axius, if you are planning on cherry-picking which modules and services to start at boot you can end up stranding yourself. Do the research first and you'll know what to do. Me telling you blacklist certain modules is a disaster [14:46] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-63-84-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] slackytude: yeah, I usually go for the darker type themes, but I switch it up now and then. [14:46] yesyes, if a restart fixes it it must mean that there is a firefox or firefox-bin running or something - ps ux | grep fire [14:47] dive: nothing, except the grep command [14:47] werneck, are you putting System.map in the right place? Also are there any lilo options telling it to use a different rootdir than the one you are in? [14:47] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama [14:47] weird [14:47] yesyes, and the terminal says nothing? Does it go back to prompt or just hang [14:48] i even restart rc.M as a shot in the dark [14:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "just to eat" [14:48] hiptobecubic: just hang [14:48] yesyes, when it's hanging, does firefox show up in htop (top) ? [14:48] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-61-252.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:48] dive: Does FF close and just still show up on the panel? [14:49] hiptobecubic: for example I can disenble GTK+/pongo? [14:49] nope, but I /have/ had that with some progs [14:49] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-113-197.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:49] dive: yeah, same here [14:49] Axius, disable them? First of all I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Second of all, if you mean what i think you mean and you don't already know the answer then the answer is 'no'. [14:50] hiptobecubic: yes, three processes show. firefox, firefox-bin and a run-mozilla.sh /usr/lib/.../firefox-bin [14:50] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] once i kill firefox they disappear [14:51] yesyes, and if you let it sit, nothing happens? Are then using cpu? [14:51] there is some many in /etc/rc.d/rc.M that could be wipe out! [14:51] they* [14:51] hiptobecubic: there is some many stuff in /etc/rc.d/rc.M that could be wipe out! [14:51] Axius, you could just chmod -R -x the whole directory if you want. that will boot pretty quick i bet [14:51] hiptobecubic: firefox-bin is using 5.3 percent of my memory, no cpu [14:52] Axius, unless by 'boot' you mean be a usable desktop system [14:52] yesyes, you need to kill those processes I think before FF will start [14:52] killall firefox-bin [14:52] gogo [14:52] yesyes, and if you kill everything and try again, it just loads those three and hangs again? [14:52] yesyes: i've killed them. they disappear once i control c firefox [14:53] hiptobecubic: no dw only a console. [14:53] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-213-187.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:53] hiptobecubic: i ran ff, then killall'd the processes and reran ff and the same thing... [14:53] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) joined ##slackware. [14:54] yesyes, does it show in taskbar? And which DE/WM we talking about? [14:54] candylandWM 12rc2 [14:55] Axius, there is a program called bootchart, it can be installed via sbopkg. It will show you your bootprocess and how long each part takes. You'll need a way to view images though. (and java and some other things. You can always uninstall them after you have your system setup) [14:55] acidchild: Wow, rc2 already? :P [14:55] Action: dive shoots acidchild in the foot [14:55] scary thought, have you tried loading FF as root or another user? [14:55] dive: we're talking about dwm. and it's in none of the window. i'll try xfce for the hell of it. thrice`, tried it as root. same thing. [14:55] fire|bird: yes elite shiz [14:55] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) joined ##slackware. [14:55] hmph [14:55] acidchild: When's chutes and ladders being released? :P [14:56] I dont why my mouse does not work in this session previsly it worked. [14:56] yesyes, you're on the latest from patches/ already? 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[14:58] scarey eagle [14:58] lol [14:58] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird with a million tiny pins [14:58] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.56.150.49) joined ##slackware. [14:58] hi [14:58] dive: As if the crushing power of his talons aren't bad enough, he's armed with a knife [14:59] what is the command to install [14:59] senbonzakura kageyoshi ^.~ [14:59] a package [14:59] Necos, demon acupuncturist of fleet street? [14:59] Necos: crazy night..crazy [14:59] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] Necos: theme park... [14:59] ruben23, tried installpkg? [14:59] Axius, that's not much information. I have no idea what you did. If it's at all related to 'wiping out' things in /etc/rc.d/ then you're on your own. [14:59] yesyes, ok, i'm wondering if your recent update was in-complete in downloading or so. can you grab the package from patches/, and do "upgradepkg --reinstall" on it? [14:59] ruben23, installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg [14:59] dive: installpkg gcc----> just like that..? [14:59] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.44) joined ##slackware. [15:00] acidchild, must have been fun :) [15:00] dive, i go by many names :P [15:00] acidchild never has fun. it's illegal [15:00] thrice`: okay i'll try thanks. but it wasnt working even before i updated it to the latest ff. [15:00] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [15:00] yesyes, oh, ok. have you tried to strace firefox ? [15:00] ruben23, I'm betting that you want upgradepkg for that, but upgrading gcc is non-trivial I think. [15:00] ruben23, you point installpkg and upgradepkg at the actual tgz file. removepkg goes by the pkg name (which is stored in /var/cache/packages i think) [15:01] hiptobecubic: I didn't do any modifications to /etc/rc.d/rc.M yet. [15:01] upgrading gcc can have a lot of background problems that you don't notice until a week from now when you want to build and link something else [15:01] it's /var/log/packages IIRC :P [15:01] ruben23, Necos, yes :D [15:02] hiptobecubic: do you have a suggetion? [15:04] Axius, you haven't really said what's going on. Just that your mouse doesn't work? At the console? Did you turn off gpm? [15:05] hiptobecubic: No, I didn't turn gmp off. [15:05] thrice`: hmm it hangs on "waitpid(-1, " [15:05] so guys gcc is laredy install by default on slack 13 [15:05] ruben23, yes [15:05] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:05] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:06] hiptobecubic: I have only a console base system. [15:07] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "lalala caindo fora!" [15:07] Axius, do you have a /dev/ node for the mouse? Was it detected? Is there anything in /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages or dmesg? [15:07] Dominian (i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:07] dive:how about this..? ----->http://pastebin.com/m29fa4d19 [15:08] hiptobecubic: It work fine until now. [15:09] Axius, you are not helping this situation. It doesn't matter if worked fine until now. I have no idea why your mouse isn't working. Have you tried just restarting and seeing if it comes back? [15:09] Could someone suggest the best way to migrate kde settings to another user? will a simply copy and chown of ~/.kde be safe to perform? thanks [15:09] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [15:10] Ok, I will restart to see what happens. [15:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [15:11] Action: yesyes restarts... curses mozilla and possibly linus [15:12] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.33) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:12] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:12] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-34-175-102.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.33) joined ##slackware. [15:12] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-213-187.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:13] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Client Quit [15:13] hiptobecubic: it does not work after I've restarted the system. [15:14] ruben23, all those are available in SW, not sure which are installed by default but you can list /var/log/packages/ to find out [15:14] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:15] + to find out if they are installed I should say [15:15] Axius, run pkgtool, go to setup, and look for mouse or gpm or whatever it's called in there [15:15] ok [15:16] God-damn Windows 7 piece of shit! [15:16] Dominian (i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Alan_Hicks, :D go on? [15:16] And the Shirlock award goes to... [15:16] Alan_Hicks, continue ;-) [15:16] Wow spelling [15:16] what's that command that checks for .new config files? [15:16] Won't let me download any exe files from the net. Won't let me copy exe files from a USB flash drive... [15:16] hiptobecubic, slackpkg check-new [15:16] IE8 won't? [15:16] God-damn fuckin' piece of Microsoft shit from a donkey cunt! [15:17] Alan_Hicks, they are potentially dangerous. It's FOR YOUR PROTECTION [15:17] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:17] I'm the mother-fuckin' administrator and it tells me I don't have permission! [15:17] Why would the administrator want to download a bunch of viruses [15:17] nanny-state computing [15:17] Alan_Hicks, are you wearing a condom? It's the only way to make it work. [15:17] dive, :D [15:18] thieusoai (n=thieusoa@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:18] dive, apparently it's `slackpkg new-config` [15:18] hiptobecubic, ah right, sorry [15:18] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.33) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:19] hiptobecubic, I don't use it often [15:19] Not a problem [15:19] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.33) joined ##slackware. [15:20] dive: one more, but why when i run installpkg subversion or other packages---> it always say Cannot install subversion: file not found,--> does this mean that package are already installed..? [15:20] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [15:20] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [15:21] ruben23: You can check whether a package is installed by looking at /var/log/packages. [15:21] Debian-user (n=Debian-u@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Debian-user (n=Debian-u@unaffiliated/easy) left irc: "leaving" [15:21] ruben23, no that means that it can't find the package. Are you in the same directory as the package and giving full name of the package - e.g. subversion-1.6.4-i486-1.txz [15:21] ruben23, you have to tell it where the package is. for example if you've downloaded it to /tmp... installpkg /tmp/subversion-VERSION-SOME_OTHER_FLAG.tgz [15:22] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.44) left irc: "Erp. So that's what kill %1 does!" [15:22] Was bash completion ever updated for pkgtools? I remember when txz started it didn't recognize them [15:22] hiptobecubic: HUH? [15:22] hiptobecubic: so you mean i have to doanload the tar file or the source file first..? it not downoaded yet when i so slackpkg update..? [15:22] I'm using xfs but I'm going to install a new computer and I'm considering jfs because of how xfs can lose file contents on a proper umount (I wouldn't want full virtual disks for virtual machines to be lost) [15:23] any experience with jfs? [15:23] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:23] Camarade_Tux: Use ext3 if you're worried about data loss or corruption. [15:23] ruben23, slackpkg and installpkg are not the same. slackpkg is a script that downloads the package from a mirror and then uses installpkg on the downloaded pkg [15:24] Alan_Hicks: I've always found ext3 a bit slow =/ [15:24] ruben23, slackpkg update just downloads the packages lists. slackpkg upgrade-all or slackpkg install/upgrade will download and install [15:24] Camarade_Tux: Don't watch EXT3 go through its diagnostic cycle, when it does, though :( [15:24] Alan_Hicks, for a while at least, if you typed installpkg subversion... (ANGRY) it would never find .txz packages. only .tgz I ended up having to change the filter manually in /etc/profile.d i think [15:24] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host188-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [15:24] Camarade_Tux: It is, but I trust it more than the others personally. I've had strange problems with jfs fscks in the past. xfs seems to be better overall than jfs, but I don't think it's as robust as ext3. [15:24] yeah, I'd use it on partitions of several hundreds of gigabytes =/ [15:25] Wood_Warrior (n=name@87.120.51.187) joined ##slackware. [15:25] hiptobecubic: I have no idea what you're talking about. [15:25] hiptobecubic: GMP doesn't work after 2 restarts. [15:25] Alan_Hicks: that's basically what I'm thinking =/ [15:25] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [15:25] Axius: Make the rc file executable. [15:26] hiptobecubic: alan@raven:/etc/profile.d$ grep t[a..z]z * # no returns. [15:26] chomd +x [15:26] as root [15:27] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:27] Wood_Warrior (n=name@87.120.51.187) left irc: Client Quit [15:27] Alan_Hicks, do you have /etc/profile.d/bash_completion.sh? [15:27] dive: so it mean that when i install the package i have to soecify it version..? it will not allow if ill do packgae name only.. [15:28] hiptobecubic: no [15:28] actually I was pondering using freebsd at some point so I could have ufs with the non-journalling filesystem [15:28] ruben23, slackpkg just needs package name, installpkg/upgradepkg need full name [15:28] Alan_Hicks, oh. Do you have tab completion at your terminal and are you using bash? [15:28] hiptobecubic: yes [15:28] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:29] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.33) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:29] mr_S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.33) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Alan_Hicks, when where did this file come from? I didn't make it. strange [15:29] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-63-84-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:30] mr_S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] hiptobecubic, bash completion is a separate package and usually installed by default I thinl [15:30] dive, yes i just saw it in pkgtool. it's part of /extra no? [15:30] Channel warning: Incoming flood. [15:30] alan@raven:/src/slackware64-13.0/slackware64$ bzgrep bash_completion MANIFEST.bz2 [15:30] hiptobecubic, don't remember offhand [15:30] -rw-r--r-- root/root 1358 2009-07-15 19:06 usr/share/zsh/4.3.10/functions/_bash_completions [15:30] drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2009-03-09 16:05 etc/bash_completion.d/ [15:30] -rwxr-xr-x root/root 553 2009-03-09 16:05 etc/bash_completion.d/dbus-bash-completion.sh [15:31] we are gona drown [15:31] in our sorrows [15:31] hiptobecubic: You probably got it from extra/bash-completion [15:31] Alan_Hicks, yes, i just found it. [15:31] It's not at all a requirement for bash tab completion to work. [15:32] Alan_Hicks, no? Why is it there then? [15:32] hiptobecubic: The make it "smarter" for those people who think they need that. [15:32] extra tweaks for completion [15:32] anyway you should all be using zsh by now ;P [15:33] Screw zsh. [15:33] why? [15:33] I don't need a shell that's more configurable. I need one that does less. Half the time I use Bourne. [15:34] Maybe someday i'll bother to set zsh up [15:34] Can someone take a look at /etc/rc.d/rc.M because GMP still does not work. http:/dpaste.com/116349/ [15:34] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-249-246.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:35] hiptobecubic, meh, same here [15:35] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [15:35] just to lazy to switch. and bash does what I want [15:35] Action: Camarade_Tux loves zsh, mplayer /m/s/M/z/2/\(*, starts playing some Dark Tranquility music :) [15:35] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.6.229) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Axius: Have you edited rc.M? [15:36] dive: ok but i can execute it in any directory i am, right? or do i have to goto packgae directory to do the installation..? [15:36] I have removed Wicd. [15:37] Ah, one of the biggest hurdles for a Linux novice: relative and absolute paths. [15:37] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166032149.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:37] ruben23, slackpkg: anywhere. The others: in the same directory as the package, OR specify path to it [15:38] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [15:39] thrice`: fyi i have bigger problems that ff. pidgin doesnt start, nor does oo.org. waitpid problem again. even mkfontdir hung on trying to read a file. going to investigate further. thanks for helping tho [15:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:44] jesus h christ [15:44] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:44] thrice`: it was font problem. i deleted font.{dir,scale} in the TTF dir reran mkfont{dir,scale} and hey presto [15:44] weird.... [15:45] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:47] o_O [15:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx03458.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:50] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A76715.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:52] freack (n=freack@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "reboot" [15:58] got a ? guys [15:58] you got questions, we got answers [15:58] got an invalid argunment trying to write to tmp/ with make temp [15:58] also touch is causing the same issue [15:58] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.33) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:58] using 13 iso. and problem is only as root [15:59] erm make temp = mktemp mkdir and touch all result in same error and only in /tmp dir [15:59] normal user can write to /tmp fine, just root [16:00] fire|bird; answer? :D [16:00] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host188-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:00] lol, I said "we" got answers, never said "I" did. :P [16:00] 250 gig hd. more then enought space. [16:00] wtf man? [16:00] Nick change: GATT0 -> G4TT0 [16:00] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-174-105.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] Nick change: G4TT0 -> g4tt0 [16:01] haha, I'm sure someone can help you out. [16:01] also. unable to unable to run makexconfig to build a new kernel as it is expecitng QT3 ? [16:03] danger_k (n=guilherm@187.23.9.20) joined ##slackware. [16:04] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:06] has anyone ever done a slackware install only by mounting the partition, using installpkg and lilo? [16:06] I want to avoid having a screen on a machine [16:07] and I'm on the third floor, no lift, I don't want to carry a screen in the streets and up my flat [16:09] Camarade_Tux, why shouldn't it work? installpkg plus --root [16:10] i've been searching the web but haven't found openoffice for slack64-13.0. is it available? [16:10] jimi, it's on slackbuilds.org (sbopkg) [16:10] hiptobecubic: thanks [16:10] hiptobecubic: just looking for potential problems [16:11] Camarade_Tux, as long as you remember to chmod +x things before you reboot [16:11] hiptobecubic: hmm, right [16:11] my other problem is that I won't have a dhcp server :P [16:11] anyone any ideas? [16:12] I guess I'll just edit the profile [16:12] hiptobecubic: i'm seeing 13.0 but nothing for 64-bit [16:13] jimi, the INFO file has the 64bit binary link in it. do you have the sbopkg script? that will handle it automatigically [16:13] there is a download link for 64 bit [16:13] lotec, i don't know what on earth is going on with your setup [16:13] you cant miss it [16:14] worst case, I'll use qemu in slow mode [16:14] there is a 64-bit link, but it is listed as a source download. i was hoping to avoid compiling it [16:14] jimi: rlworkman.net/pkgs [16:15] he has packages of OOo [16:15] If you really don't want to compile [16:15] hiptobecubic: me either [16:15] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]" [16:16] lotec: my apologies, I guess I should change my statement to "You got questions, we got comments." :P [16:16] danger_k (n=guilherm@187.23.9.20) left irc: "danger_k has no reason" [16:16] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [16:16] fire|bird: thanks [16:17] you're welcome [16:17] plee (n=kurt@83.243.165.183) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:17] fire|bird thanks [16:18] :) [16:18] jimi: the OOo from SlackBuilds.org is a binary repackaging. Even rworkman's sanity has limits as not to try compiling ooo ;) [16:18] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5457c96e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [16:18] haha [16:18] have you ever looked at the build environment requirements for oo.o? [16:18] it's insane [16:18] antiwire: no. I am much more saner than you give me credit for ;) [16:18] lol [16:18] okay .. "a little more sane" ;) [16:18] lol [16:19] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.46) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:19] BP{k}: so when the link on slackbuilds.org says "source" it really means binary? [16:19] and a little more drunk? [16:20] Frecuency (n=h@unaffiliated/frecuency) joined ##slackware. [16:20] BP{k}: also strange is that the 64-bit link on slackbuilds.org appears to include a jre. there doesn't seem to be a need for that when slackware already includes a jre [16:20] "source" in "stuff used to make package" [16:20] jimi: that would entirely depends. source can also mean "where it orginates from" [16:20] Frecuency (n=h@unaffiliated/frecuency) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [16:20] Hahaha [16:21] ikonia (n=mattd@pdpc/supporter/bronze/ikonia) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:21] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [16:21] jimi: it might have changed since then, but when I did that build, OOo did not *have* a non-jre-bundled binary for x86_64 [16:21] jimi: go complain to upstream ... and see the comment in the SlackBuild... [16:21] we are having a totally screwed up network issue today with a client. They have mpls setup between a bunch of sites and the main site is sending jumbo frames out into the mpls but the other ends are receiving fragmented jumbo frames which aren't being properly reassembled...and no one knows who/what/where dun it [16:22] ikonia (n=mattd@pdpc/supporter/bronze/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [16:23] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:23] sorry - i wasn't complaining, just confused. [16:23] rworkman: so the package on your site also bundles a jre? [16:24] yes [16:24] Wait - I think I manually remove it in the script [16:24] yep [16:24] rworkman: how does it avoid conflicts with the installed jre? [16:24] yeah, I do [16:24] ^^ it's not included in the package [16:24] maybe i will try building OOo from source... [16:25] excellent idea [16:25] jimi: go for it. :) [16:25] I've done it - it's not worth the effort. [16:25] The binary isn't much smaller (negligible decrease) and it's not any faster. [16:25] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:26] i was just thinking of getting a 64-bit binary that didn't bundle a jre, even if that jre is removed in the install script. at least that's what i'm understanding the situation is [16:26] jimi, that's what rworkman's package is - 64-bit package, without jre [16:27] thrice`: i thought he just said it includes the jre but doesn't install it? [16:27] OOo no longer (it seems to change per release for 64-bit) provides jre-free tarballs, so rworkman removed it [16:27] rworkman: am i misunderstanding? [16:27] ( rworkman) Wait - I think I manually remove it in the script [16:27] yes [16:27] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [16:27] The resulting package does NOT include the bundled jre. [16:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [16:28] rworkman: ok, my mistake then. thanks for clearing that up for me [16:28] np [16:28] rworkman: i was thinking the hefty package size was due to including the jre [16:29] jimi .. nah .. OOo .. is just a beast ;) [16:29] BP{k}: it certainly seems so [16:29] :) [16:29] but it works well [16:30] jimi: aye. :) [16:30] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [16:31] jimi: looking quickly .. the 32bit OOO = 156MB, the 64bit with JRE = 181 .. so it does add a bit but not overly in thne grand scheme of things. [16:32] BP{k}: and rworkman's package is 160220KB [16:32] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:33] i don't know if anyone else feels the same, but i would sure love to have OOo on the slackware DVD, maybe in /extra [16:33] i.e. 156.464844 mb [16:34] fire|bird: Wow! That's precise. [16:34] OOo [16:34] ? [16:35] lotec: 2 big marbles and 1 little marble. [16:35] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:36] lol [16:36] Nick_Patterson: He could have at least put them in italics to make it appear as though they were rolling. sheesh. :P [16:36] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-61-252.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:37] fire|bird: well clearly and obviously, he has lost his ;) [16:37] haha [16:37] fire|bird: Hahah [16:37] BP{k}: One would then question, when was the last time he had them, if he indeed had them to begin with. ;) [16:41] sQuEE (n=narya@host236.201-252-58.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:44] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30B05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [16:44] freack (n=freack@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.77.80) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. 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[16:56] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:57] and gnome back [16:57] dissociative: go home [16:57] ?? [16:58] see yea guys later. heading home [16:58] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [16:58] lotec (n=lotec@static-96-254-222-162.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Eagle IS A FAT CUNT, AND EATS GUY'S ASSHOLES" [16:58] though I'm beginning to think that nothing can beat plain text terminal as kde 4 was a total fiasco [16:58] hi, how do i make a startup script for an application on slack..? [16:58] sheesh [16:59] nice exit message [16:59] si it ldconfig..? [16:59] hey guys im having a problem with unetboot in [16:59] hey rk4n3 [16:59] fire|bird: hey there :) [16:59] i did chmod +x ./unetbootin-linux... and then ./unetbootin... [16:59] and nothing happendes, as root and as user [16:59] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[17:03] ldconfig is used by every linux distro i know of... [17:03] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-38f2c1268dae31b7) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [17:03] acidtripper: if its running, but not doing anything, that's the most likely scenario where you'd just see nothing [17:03] root@Slackware:/home/gonza/Downloads# sh unetbootin-linux-377 [17:03] unetbootin-linux-377: unetbootin-linux-377: cannot execute binary file [17:03] sorry for that :P [17:03] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] acidtripper: OK :) [17:04] but, when i try to run it as user nothing happens [17:04] ? [17:04] wtf are you doing? :P [17:04] for, quoting there [17:04] i cant run the executable [17:04] and in this way ./ neither [17:04] it doesn't appear to be an executable, I'd say [17:04] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:05] omfg LOL [17:05] A ggreat deal of Microsoft security is unfortunately just like the underwear of Brittany Spears. [17:05] dissociative: for what is its used..? [17:05] followed by: http://images.google.com/images?safe=off&q=britney+spears+commando <--- on /. [17:05] -rwxr-xr-x 1 gonza users 4110956 2009-11-04 18:44 unetbootin-linux-377 [17:05] Necos: in other words, there's nothing there? [17:06] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.199.117) joined ##slackware. [17:06] its executable [17:06] acidtripper: setting the execute permissions won't make a file executable if its not actually a program [17:06] its a program [17:07] acidtripper: it could be that its not, or maybe not compiled for the platform, etc... [17:07] mmm, maybe compiled for x86 [17:07] and im running x86_64 [17:07] installing lib32 must solve this? [17:07] fire|bird: / [17:08] jhw (n=jhw@p548F5EC3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] im downloading the source im going to the river with a friend to smoke some pot and when i come back i will try it :P [17:08] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] acidtripper: I'm not confident that would be sufficient [17:09] acidtripper: ah, if you compile it, that should be good [17:09] well when come back i will investigate ;) [17:09] acidtripper: I thought you were acidtripper, not pottripper. [17:09] I think that its used for something like caching library paths [17:09] >.> [17:09] Start doing the hard stuff damnit! [17:09] acidtripper, pot smoking does not increase linux skills... [17:09] Necos: No, but drinking beer does. [17:10] i stopped tripping [17:10] exactamundo [17:10] drinking beer increases *all* skills [17:10] i like to be a healthy person so i cut with that [17:10] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/04/0040203/The-Machine-SID-Duplication-Myth?art_pos=17 <--- this is what i'm referring to (re: britney) [17:10] mmm not fucking skill :P [17:10] left! [17:10] sure does ! [17:11] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-96d20cc5d2a68509) joined ##slackware. [17:11] I saw Zombieland last night - it was awesome :) [17:13] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:13] mario______ (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [17:13] SID? Isn't that the machine name for Windows computers? [17:14] not exactly [17:14] Yeah, wikipedia has now informed me that isn't correct. [17:15] SID is the toothy guy in ICe Age [17:15] sid debian sid ? [17:15] unstable ? [17:15] no deco... [17:15] :o [17:15] Necos: i know just messing ....................... [17:15] Action: Necos stabs deco twice for being a dumbass [17:15] Action: deco stabs Necos for being Necos [17:16] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [17:16] you do not mention that vile beast here [17:16] That reminds me... [17:16] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Now that Karmic Koala is out, what's the next Ubuntu release gonna be named? [17:16] Alan_Hicks: i forgot but they have it already planned [17:16] it wasn't until i studied assembly that i finally understood part of Windows' wierdness in the registry [17:16] If no name has been chosen, I'd like to nominate Leprous Lemur. [17:16] Alan_Hicks, Leprous! Took the word right out of my.. er.. fingers [17:17] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: [17:17] Lethargic Leopard [17:17] brb [17:17] They better not be using leopard, apple's legal dept. wastes no time :) [17:18] Lambasted Liger? [17:18] :D [17:18] when they get to P it should be pornographic Parrot [17:18] What's "M" gonna be? Menstrating Marmat? [17:19] Masturbating Monkey? [17:19] Molesting Man-o-war [17:19] you win [17:19] Masturbating Monkey was already taken by Linus Torvalds some time ago. [17:19] :D [17:20] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:20] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:20] What was the first Ubuntu release? [17:21] Has anyone made a portable slack? I suppose i could even just do a regular install... or can I [17:21] on a usb stick, so i can throw DamnSmallLinux in the trash [17:21] distrowatch shows warty [17:21] hiptobecubic: what kind of "portable" ? [17:21] rk4n3, plug it in, boot. [17:21] MamaUntu [17:22] hiptobecubic: well, its not purely slackware, but there is slax [17:22] Although, it would probably be better to use a binary distro for that... [17:22] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [17:22] Maybe i'll take this opportunity to try arch [17:22] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:23] everyone keeps saying it's about as stable as Steve Buscemi... but i'd still like to see it. [17:23] i found arch archgly [17:23] xsamurai: I hereby nominate you for the "Worst Pun Award" for 2009. [17:24] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.164) joined ##slackware. [17:24] gapan (n=gapan@adsl191-106.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving." [17:25] Alan_Hicks: if you think thats bad , you should see my pick up lines [17:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [17:25] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [17:25] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [17:26] hm. Necrophiliac Narwhal and Obsessive Ocelot... [17:26] hiptobecubic: so first you say Slackware is not a binary distribution, and then you think about arch? As a binary distribution? [17:26] Urchlay: Orgasmic Ottor. [17:26] Alan_Hicks, beautiful [17:26] Otter even [17:26] nice [17:27] pprkut: i got my slackware cds in binary .. so... [17:27] Q... I have no idea of an animal that becins with Q. [17:27] making ubuntu jokes? [17:27] thrice`: it's just so easy [17:27] pprkut, First, i meant other than the core software because that will already be installed and won't matter. I'm thinking of when i wanted to install aircrack on a whim on a crappy old computer who knows where. Second, i didn' realize that the AUR wasn't a binary repo ;) [17:27] closest thing I can think of for Q would be calling a duck a quacker [17:28] Quail? [17:28] Damn! How did I miss that one. [17:28] Queer Quail, perhaps [17:28] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.175) joined ##slackware. [17:28] Nah, no gay jokes. [17:29] hiptobecubic: ;) [17:29] Queer? Does that still mean gay? I meant 'bizarre' [17:29] Queezy Quail [17:29] also good [17:29] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.56.150.49) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:29] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:29] why not, for a linux distro ubuntu is about as gay as linux can get :D [17:29] queezy just doens't have any bite. [17:29] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [17:30] quiffy quail ? [17:30] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.21.34) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:30] Quarred? [17:30] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama [17:31] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:32] hm. I shoulda thought of "quail". They keep serving tuna bowls with a quail egg on top, at the sushi place... [17:32] sounds good [17:33] Urchlay: somewhere some mother quail is crying for her eggs [17:33] I dunno, it's a raw scrambled quail egg, top 1/3 of the shell removed. Raw eggs just don't interest me... [17:33] slackie (n=x@87.196.131.13) joined ##slackware. [17:34] I guess "Quantum Quail" would be a good ubuntu release name (but not very funny as a joke name) [17:35] What happened to queezy [17:35] Retching Racoon [17:35] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) joined ##slackware. [17:35] my uncle used to raise turkeys, talk about a big mess of scrambled eggs, try a turkey egg [17:35] i think that's a 'wretching' [17:35] nope, "wretch" is a noun [17:35] wreched? [17:35] ah [17:36] Raping Racoon [17:36] :D [17:36] Anyone here of any decent speech recognition software for *nix? wikipedia says no, and google aint too helpful either :-p [17:36] Alan_Hicks: I'd probably say "Ralphing" instead of "Retching", but that's just local color... [17:37] Rancid Rooster [17:37] Grrr... f'ing temperature sensors. [17:37] For all the furries... Seductive Sealion. [17:37] or Randy Rooster sounds better [17:37] scarra3 (n=scarra3@c-24-8-197-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [17:37] rogersman: I dunno if it's considered decent, but many moons ago I messed with IBM's ViaVoice for Linux. I hated it :) [17:37] as in a drunk cock [17:37] Randy is more like horny [17:37] Tittilating Tiger. [17:38] hehheh [17:38] hiptobecubic: true [17:38] Tintinnabulating Tree-sloth [17:39] Throbbing Testicle [17:39] lol raping racoon? geez... [17:39] Titty Triceratops [17:39] Necos, that was his best one. I haven't seen too many wild testicles [17:39] xsamurai, [17:39] Action: Necos tries to /part #slackware [17:39] rogersman: 2 things about viavoice (at least back in 2000): it's not an app, just a development kit (there's a sample notepad-alike app that lacks a "save" command)... and I could never figure out a way to add words to the dictionary [17:40] not BOOBS BUTTERFLY [17:40] i like boobies [17:40] I like Rotting Racoon myself. [17:40] Hey everyone well I am planning on moving from Ubuntu to Slackware what do you suggest that I need to get started [17:40] roadkill racoon [17:40] hmm.. seems were making fun of ubuntu names? :P [17:40] Thrusting Tarantula [17:40] haha [17:40] stygian, your nick was one of my GRE vocab words today. [17:41] josemanuel (n=josemanu@175.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:41] Z zombie zebra [17:41] ah? neat. [17:41] stygian: No, we're trying to help them develop their list. [17:41] I'm working on U right now. [17:41] Alan_Hicks, U is tough [17:41] All I cant say is that I hate ubuntu [17:41] Its boring [17:41] Urchlay: yeah, a well done voice control system for nix systems would definitely be a killer app thats still not properly implemented in windows....guess ill start doing some data collection for vox... [17:41] Undulating Unicorn [17:42] hiptobecubic: Yeah. I'm thinking "Unicorn", and want to make some sort of play off the "shaft" on its head. [17:42] Urinating Unicorn? *shrug* [17:42] how about Touching Toad [17:42] hah [17:42] Urchin Urchlay [17:42] rogersman, already well done for Windows and Linux [17:42] Urinating, that's nice [17:42] rogersman, it's called IBM ViaVoice and has Windows and Linux versions [17:42] or Humping Hog [17:43] "Urchin" is a noun though... and I'm fairly sure proper names aren't allowed for the animal [17:43] Lol Thrusting Tarantula [17:43] :D [17:43] Action: NthDegree used to use VV on Windows a lot.. before he made the move [17:43] Image of a spider giving it to another spider from behind [17:43] HARD [17:44] undulating unicorn [17:44] NthDegree: did viavoice for linux ever evolve into a complete app? when I looked at it 8-9 years ago, it was just a SDK [17:44] What's an animal that begins with 'V'? [17:44] Vole? [17:44] NthDegree: long since deprecated into Naturally speaking...maybe I can find an old nix version floating around cyberspace somewhere [17:44] velocer.... [17:44] Velociraptor? Vulture? [17:44] Vasectomied Velociraptor. [17:44] Varvot? [17:44] bwahaha [17:44] vomiting vulture [17:44] vixen? [17:44] josemanuel (n=josemanu@175.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Client Quit [17:45] Pig_Pen: Guess it didn't like the taste of Ubuntu? [17:45] jhw, a literal animal :D [17:45] Belching Bitch [17:45] ;) [17:45] No one's tried Y yet [17:45] I love it when someone suggests something that doesn't fit the model. :D [17:45] Nick_Patterson: I'll get Y. Come up with an adjective for W. [17:45] Yanking Yak [17:46] Warmongering W____? [17:46] Warmongering doesn't work. [17:46] whiny, wasteful, warlike, .... [17:46] Warmongering is the stuff that Slackware does. [17:46] hmmmmm [17:46] Is wanking out? [17:46] Welshing (as in, welshing on a bet, if that's the right word) [17:46] Wanking walrus and Yanking Yak [17:46] Wanking Warthog [17:47] They can show them high-fiving with the other hand or something. [17:47] wanking wanaken [17:47] I should get a job in PR [17:47] Yanking Yak doesn't work for me. [17:47] What the hell is a yak? [17:48] Nick_Patterson: http://tinyurl.com/ygtl6sf [17:48] a yak is a beast sort of like an asian buffalo (i think) [17:48] It's an ungulate [17:48] Yhttp://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/a-to-z.html [17:48] heh, actually, an interesting name would be something like vivacious vixen, but i hardly think ubuntu is sexy >.> [17:48] gnubien (n=e@231.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.199.117) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:48] Alan_Hicks: OMFG that is a cool page :) [17:48] It actually does Google [17:49] :D [17:49] Alan_Hicks, do you have that scripted? [17:49] hiptobecubic: No. [17:49] hiptobecubic: But it will fetch tinyurls for you. [17:49] When I try to load any of the hp tools (hp-setup, hp-printsettings, etc) I get an "error: Unable to load Qt4 support" error even though I'm in KDE4 when I'm running it... does this work for anyone esle? [17:49] else [17:50] I guess I'm missing something else but it's not being very informative about it. [17:50] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.118) left irc: "Leaving." [17:50] Zoophilic Zebra. [17:50] Urchlay, had a runtime and SDK. IIRC the runtime was a full 'personal use' app that was sold to people for Ј50 or so [17:50] TheTrash, do they have -v or -vv options that might help? [17:50] I have pyqt and pretty much everything else that has py in it. [17:50] Urchlay, the Windows version worked the same way, except it had GUI tools for everything (I used to use it) [17:51] Well folks, I gotta go eat supper. Later. [17:51] Action: NthDegree still has his VV for Windows CD [17:51] XD [17:51] hiptobecubic: doesn't seem to have that... it's a python app. [17:51] Necrogami (n=djnecrog@unaffiliated/necrogami) joined ##slackware. [17:51] The only problem it has is that you need to read it alice in wonderland XD [17:51] TheTrash, can you see what it is "import"ing? [17:51] what, the whole thing? [17:52] or grep the .py for the error message and see what is calling it :) [17:52] Damn, looks like the only animal beginning with U is a unicorn... [17:52] any idea why with intelfb mplayer -vo fbdev gives me a grey picture with vertical scanlines? google hasnt yielded much [17:52] uprooting unicorn? >.> [17:52] ubiquitous unicorn? >.<;;; my brain hurts now [17:53] hiptobecubic: hm I can see some but the imports are all over the place. [17:53] Necos, there's "ungulate" which is a general term for hoofed animals [17:53] why are you using an fbdev considering that x11 output is probably better? [17:53] TheTrash, search for the error string [17:53] I see it, it has a number of trys just before it. [17:54] because i dont want x [17:54] Guest88768 (n=droog@71.34.72.48) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:54] those bloody underhanded ukranian unicorn ..can't stand them [17:54] There's also the Urubu, a type of vulture. [17:54] I've seen "urang-utan" in stuff from victorian times (we spell it "orangutan" now though) [17:55] http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_animals_that_begin_with_the_letter_U [17:55] "try:" "from PyQt4.QtGui import QApplication, QMessageBox" "from ui4.setupdialog import SetupDialog" "except ImportError:" [17:55] THose are the 4 lines that seem to be related. [17:55] It seems to import SetupDialog but I think it's internal. [17:56] /cl [17:56] i know [17:56] :( [17:56] urchin! of course.... [17:57] Ahh I figured it out, I needed to install sip. [17:57] cheers hiptobecubic ill sleep good tonight... [17:57] night [17:57] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [17:57] TheTrash, hmm [17:58] well open a python terminal and try importing things until you find one that fails [17:58] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) left ##slackware. [17:58] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.165.226) left irc: "+-||\-" [17:59] uroburos or something like that (mythical creature i think) [17:59] it was also a name used in resident evil 5 [17:59] hiptobecubic: I fixed it, I searched for something pyqt-related and found pyqtconfig.py, and when running it it told me it needed a module called sipconfig, it's in the "sip" package. [17:59] TheTrash, nice [18:00] where the hell is jeev? :P [18:00] Thanks for helping me troubleshoot. [18:00] np [18:00] Or shoot trouble. Or w/e. [18:00] :D [18:00] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) left irc: No route to host [18:00] replay (n=replay@69.26.224.130) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Necos: not here. That's a good thing. [18:01] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] i just needed to bother him with something on the blackberry... he and i have the same model [18:02] i want a blueberry pie .. [18:03] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-96d20cc5d2a68509) left irc: "Page closed" [18:03] Action: Necos wants to drown deco in a pool of blackberries [18:04] Necos: yuck , blueberries please ... [18:05] now that it is getting cold there are dozens of red wasps flying around outside the house looking for shelter, i just killed a few that got inside :| [18:05] Pig_Pen: what state ? [18:05] okla [18:05] Pig_Pen: oh it's getting cold here in california too .. [18:06] hmmm and i don't like that .. [18:06] they are outside buzzing around the doors and windows [18:06] i hate that [18:06] freaks me out [18:06] we need a good freeze to kill all the bugs [18:07] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [18:07] andreas-- (n=r00t@ppp079166032149.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Action: deco found heaven with dwm + dmenu [18:10] jhw (n=jhw@p548F5EC3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:10] cold? california??? [18:10] pfffthaha [18:11] it is kinda cold in cali >.> [18:11] but it's sunny [18:11] jhw (n=jhw@p548F5EC3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] jhw (n=jhw@p548F5EC3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:11] it's sunny here in colorado, and colder than a witch's bit [18:11] a witch doesn't have a bit, but does have 2 tits... [18:11] well colder than those two [18:11] :) [18:11] i forgot deco lives in cali... must stab in person [18:12] jhw (n=jhw@p548F5EC3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.3.140) joined ##slackware. [18:12] bit == tit [18:12] fyi [18:12] i bet the Donner party thought it was cold when they got to california [18:12] Action: vastina loves maine now [18:13] Necos: oh i forgot you too live in california ... hmmm [18:13] people voted no to same sex marriage, good i say [18:14] america's going weird [18:14] vastina: it's weird because deco's in it. :P [18:14] haha [18:14] fire|bird: says the bird with a knife ... [18:14] he californian so i'll buy that [18:14] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] deco: exactly [18:14] s/he/he's [18:15] Probably should s/Land of the Free/Land of the Freaky/ ;) [18:15] brb [18:15] heh [18:15] Why are my console fonts screwed up? I have a bunch of repeated characters in pkgtool, mc, etc... [18:16] Shingoshi, fontconfig man [18:16] I'm ready to take teh slackware sysadmin certification exam [18:16] fire|bird: yeah it is... got all the weirds screaming for rights and the gov stripping normal ones and throwing money out to the undeserving... freaky indeed [18:16] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [18:16] I ran fontconfig in pkgtool, and that doesn't fix it. So this is something else? [18:17] Shingoshi, maybe about UTF-8 stuff? pick the other in liloconfig [18:17] Do you suggest that I read the Slackware book? [18:17] scarra3: it's a must [18:17] Action: thrice` has never read it [18:18] thrice`: cuz ur speshul? :P [18:18] lol [18:18] dios_mio, I think it is the UTF-8 that's screwed. I'll check it now. [18:18] Shingoshi, ok then [18:18] deco: thx [18:18] no, it's outdated anyway :) [18:19] lol [18:19] andreas-- (n=r00t@ppp079166032149.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:20] dios_mio, I take it that UTF-8 must be set to 1, not 0. If so, that was the problem. [18:20] Shingoshi, dont forget installing lilo after you change the config [18:20] hmmm [18:20] Shingoshi, reinstall lilo using the liloconfig tool [18:20] Yeah! But thanks for the reminder! [18:20] ok [18:20] :) [18:21] yeah, deco, i've probably been in california longer thanyou :P [18:21] liloconfig? meh :P [18:21] Necos: how old are you ? :P [18:21] dios_mio, I kind of concerned about letting lilo.conf be automatically configured. I run RAID1 on my root disks. [18:21] liloconf :P [18:22] Shingoshi, well right, do it the way you know best then man [18:23] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [18:23] dios_mio, Is there a way to change this on the command line without having to restart my computer? [18:23] Shingoshi, i am afraid not [18:24] ok [18:24] Thanks for the help! [18:24] 29 next weekend [18:24] np :) [18:24] see, even a ubuntu using n00b like myself can soilve a slackware problem!! [18:25] jgor (n=jgor@174.143.174.190) got netsplit. [18:25] sp (i=sp@166.70.238.3) got netsplit. [18:25] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) got netsplit. [18:25] konus (n=konus_fn@91.121.174.84) got netsplit. [18:25] hy (i=cenobite@87.253.140.201) got netsplit. [18:25] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) got netsplit. [18:25] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) got netsplit. [18:25] PiterPun1 (n=piterpk@216.23.247.74) got netsplit. [18:25] sid77 (n=sid77@62.149.201.173) got netsplit. [18:25] g4mm4 (n=var@vps-1005590-1468.united-hoster.de) got netsplit. [18:25] konus_ (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) joined ##slackware. [18:25] mancha (i=mancha@DOMINIA.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. 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[18:33] I was wondering if his idea about installing slackware using just 'installpkg' worked [18:34] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:34] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:36] you'd have to get a skeleton system up so that installpkg would work...this includes things like tar and so forth [18:36] thumbs, I have the same problem. The boot sector is on the wrong disk here too! [18:37] Shingoshi: it's not a problem, actually. [18:37] Shingoshi: there's an easy fix for lilo, if you like. [18:37] Shingoshi: I'll pastebin my lilo.conf [18:37] It is when you try to start the computer with a dead drive. [18:38] oh. [18:38] Please send it. [18:38] which one died? [18:38] I can then see the comparison. Because I did a lot of research into this. [18:38] thumbs, i'd also like to see this [18:39] SDA died, and SDB could only start with another harddisk installed in the system. [18:39] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] So now, I have two separate systems with the second one for backup to start the main system. [18:40] http://pastebin.ca/1657605 [18:40] hiptobecubic: Shingoshi: ^^ [18:40] thakns [18:43] hiptobecubic: Shingoshi: one thing to note - System.map was only copied to sdb, initially. [18:43] CitizenLane (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:43] for that reason, lilo complained if you tried to install it on sda [18:44] Owner (n=Owner@c-24-8-197-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Nick change: Owner -> Scarra [18:45] CitizenLane (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Evening everyone [18:46] Evening everyone? [18:47] Scarra: hi? [18:47] No. [18:47] Shingoshi: did you get all that? [18:47] Just no. [18:47] Sorry didnt mean to type that twice [18:48] I was just looking at it. I was in the middle of something else I had to complete. [18:48] So the hardcoding actually works then? [18:48] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:49] Shingoshi: yes, it does. [18:49] slackie (n=x@87.196.131.13) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [18:50] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Good to know. I need to copy that text somewhere else a edit lilo.conf in KDE later. [18:52] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.46) joined ##slackware. [18:53] i'm trying to mirror just the tagfiles below rsync://slackware.cs.utah.edu/slackware/slackware-current... i though maybe --exlude="*" --include="*/tagfile" would work.. but it prevents it from looking down into directories (thus it finds nothing). Any ideas? [18:55] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-93-88-244.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:57] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-201-28.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:57] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.211) joined ##slackware. [18:59] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [19:00] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [19:01] dios_mio, is this correct? append=" vt.default_utf8=1" [19:01] I see that you have it differently in yours. [19:01] does anyone know a shell ftp client which is capable of ssl? [19:01] madnex_ (n=madnex@189-015-177-164.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:01] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [19:01] jhw, wget? [19:01] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.3.140) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] ncftp might [19:01] madnex_ (n=madnex@189-015-177-164.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] I meant thumbs [19:01] but i'm sure curl can do it [19:01] madnex (n=madnex@189-015-177-164.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:01] ncftp doesn't checked it already [19:02] hiptobecubic: would be nice if that client has a browsing feature ;) [19:02] sometimes i wish filezilla was ported to linux >.> [19:02] midnight commander? [19:02] filezilla runs under linux [19:03] Necos: you mean this? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/filezilla/ [19:03] i haven't been following the projet since last year >.> [19:03] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:03] mc doesn't seem to support it either [19:04] ftp is broken on our firewalls, so not much use now, but... [19:04] at the moment i help myself out with fireftp (firefox plugin) [19:04] but i'd really like to use a shell client [19:06] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-53-117.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] willca (n=willca@c-24-19-63-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] anyone used a linksys pci wifi card on slack native? [19:10] fire|bird: might like this http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Customizable+Weather+Plasmoid?content=98925 [19:11] rworkman: you're OOo package works perfectly [19:11] rworkman: thanks [19:11] Rat409: nice! Thanks. [19:11] sure theres other but that seems to have more options [19:12] Rat409: yeah, looks great. I haven't tried that one before. [19:12] Shingoshi, i dont know the correct parameters to use in the lilo.conf... my suggestion is back up your current config file and then use the liloconf tool and see how that one will create a non-UTF config [19:12] me either in pekwm atm [19:13] nvision (n=nvision@e179136137.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:13] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:14] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [19:15] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [19:15] dios_mio, ok. I'll have to try that later. [19:15] RedSocrates (n=RedSocra@cpe-69-207-175-250.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:20] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:21] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "leaving" [19:21] is it safe to eject /dev/sda1 before unmounting it? or will eject take care of that too? [19:22] I'd unmount first. [19:23] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:23] scarra3 (n=scarra3@c-24-8-197-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] sweet, i can use a 32 gig microsd card on my blackberry :) [19:23] nice [19:24] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:24] What's the smallest slack you can get away with? just a/ ? [19:25] probably a and ap (then again, you'd need a lot of and d too [19:25] i think the smallest i've gotten away with is a/ap/d/l and a couple of packages from n [19:27] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-142-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] hi [19:30] another thing, using kde on 1080 resolution, whats with the flakey fonts? there displayed in a very poor quality.... anyone else experienced this? [19:30] if you use a different root dir you won't screw up your running system will you? installpkg --root /otherroot blah blah. that shouldn't touch any of my current configs /var/log/packages etc yes? [19:31] not messed around with the dpi but i did read yellowdog linux is the same when its on the ps3. [19:31] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-142-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [19:31] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-142-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host188-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [19:33] jonsmith1982: probly the usual font stuff cd .fonts , mkfontscale , mkfontdir , fc-cache -vf,logout/login not up on ps3 tho. could be kde settings on anti-aliasing,etc [19:34] you can specify dpi in .xinitrc also. [19:34] Rat409, Thanks, I shall try that. [19:36] fire|bird, since you can get 16-32 gb microsd cards for the tune of $20, i figured why not :) [19:36] Necos: no doubt. [19:36] you also can set your preferred local,and enable unicode also,none is slack defaults afaik [19:37] well, 16gb for ~$20 lol [19:37] Necos: That's a ton of space for it. [19:37] local/locale. good deal Necos [19:38] well, i plan to carry around a lot of stuff on my BB [19:38] i forgot you can't make symlinks on FAT [19:38] oh well [19:39] no fat links [19:40] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-179-169.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Heya,slackers....How's everyone? [19:41] MLanden bo0 [19:42] hey MLanden, how are you? [19:42] bo0 Quiznos...:D [19:42] hi [19:43] heya,fire|bird...doin' good [19:43] oh shnap, heya MLanden [19:43] miss me? :) [19:43] heya Necos [19:44] believe lot of people did,Quiznos...wb [19:44] ty ty [19:44] I am willing to bet money that I've been more missed than Quiznos [19:44] eviljames: agreed [19:44] yay! [19:45] ok; let's grep a log and find out how many times our nicks were mentioned? [19:45] :> [19:45] ah, i stand corrected, the 8GB cards are dirt cheap (<$20)... 16GB ones are ~$35-45 on avg [19:45] Stop Picking on Quiznos [19:45] hahah, I imagine you were mentioned more than I. I think causing controversy is for 12 yr old girls. [19:45] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] nah, it's ok; they get their lil jollies from it :) [19:45] hiptobecubic, Did you find the answer to your question yet? --root not using /var/log/packages ? [19:45] but i'm 2.half [19:46] Expecially after all he has been threw. Now Quiznos is going threw a custody Battle. Leave Quiznos alone [19:46] lol [19:46] came 'cross a nice little script for internet streaming through mplayer http://www.coderholic.com/pyradio [19:46] there's a get-flash* on freshmeat [19:49] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:50] hiptobecubic, it uses {--root}/var/log/packages [19:52] anyone tried digsby? [19:53] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [19:53] AlonzoWobbleton (n=awobblet@24.159.166.178) joined ##slackware. [19:53] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:53] AlonzoWobbleton kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Shrink your ego first [19:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:57] what lotec? [19:58] khratos (n=jespinal@190.167.135.127) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Ok does slackware support Intel GMA 4500 [19:59] Necos: Which flash cards? [19:59] i was looking on newegg and amazon for microSD cards [19:59] upgrading the one in my blackberry [20:00] thieusoai (n=thieusoa@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:00] Scarra (n=Owner@c-24-8-197-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:00] scarra: might want to try the updated intel driver for better results [20:02] good price,necos...got a pda that needs a new one [20:03] it seems like the 16 and 32 gb models are still kind of low stock, so the higher price [20:03] The 4gb microsd card I have was $7 on Newegg. [20:03] 8gb cards are as low as $10 [20:03] and since then I've watched a lot of the prices drop. [20:03] lol fire|bird, exactly [20:03] Necos: yeah, not when I got mine, otherwise I'd have got that. [20:03] 'cause they're commodity items now [20:03] the one you had in your mp3 player,fire|bird? [20:03] fire|bird, did you get the c240 to boot btw/ [20:03] MLanden: yup, the mp3 player that is now borked. :P [20:03] ? [20:04] whoa......psychic thoughts...:P [20:04] Necos: no, haven't gotten any further than the other day. lsusb see's it etc, but it's not accessible and doesn't show that 16MB partition. [20:04] lol [20:05] i'll have to do some more research on it then :P [20:05] indeed ;) [20:05] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:05] I've searched forums and so forth, but no luck with it. [20:05] have you tried disassembling it yet? [20:05] lol, not yet. [20:06] The other sansa I have (Sansa Clip) is nice, but doesn't support a card. The new sansa clips do though. [20:07] ah [20:07] i <3 my e260 [20:07] the newer ones can't be rockboxed...can they,fire|bird? [20:09] MLanden: The clips? nope [20:09] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.6.229) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] nah, only the old stale ones can [20:09] but the hardware is great on the old ones [20:09] Alot of what is holding them back is the tiny screen the clips have. They are getting the firmware figured out though for some of them. [20:10] so I remember reading [20:10] Necos: This c240 I got online, refurbed, for $10, so not a huge loss, but still. [20:10] yeah :( [20:10] fire|bird is now known as el|cheapo [20:11] hey fire|bird, run akonadictl status really fast [20:11] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:11] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:11] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:12] ok, ran it. [20:12] now what? :P [20:12] oh, i just wanted to see if you'd get errors [20:12] :) [20:12] nope, no errors [20:13] yeah, i know what it was lol [20:13] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:13] I asked now what because I didn't see the word status the first time. :P [20:13] anywho, gotta run to class, laters :) [20:13] abiword just released 2.8.1 [20:13] see ya Necos [20:14] well, i just wanted to see if you could see it [20:14] the status , i mean [20:14] dmonk (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] "Do you see what I see" [20:14] later Necos [20:14] Necos: yeah, gotcha. Get to class or they'll catch ya. [20:14] bah, how come it seems like whenever I need something, all I can find on google are people saying to apt-get it :/ trying to find libg2c0, libatlas-base-dev, and liblapack-dev.. only finding ubuntu/debian results [20:15] ...... [20:15] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:15] lol, unfortunatly it's an Ubuntu/Debian world and we just live in it. :P [20:15] raela: slackware doesn't do -dev packages.. [20:15] raela: what are you trying to compile? [20:15] thats why [20:15] oh, really? ugh [20:15] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.136.31) joined ##slackware. [20:15] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [20:15] eigensoft/eigenstrat is my ultimate goal [20:15] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Client Quit [20:15] it comes with precompiled binaries, but they aren't compatable with either of my systems [20:16] and when I try to compile the source, it spits back i386:x86-64 architecture of input file is incompatible with i386 output [20:17] though.. it looks like eigenstrat may have just compiled.. hrm [20:17] well, I need lg2c as well which I can't seem to find [20:18] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:20] fortran library,right raela? [20:21] yeah [20:22] I just got f2c, which let me compile eigenstrat, but smartpca won't now due to lg2c [20:22] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) joined ##slackware. [20:25] see what you mean,raela...all leads point to ubuntu/debian [20:25] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:26] unless it's found in some other package.. going to try installing libf2c [20:27] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.156.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:27] ...okay, I hate when zip/tar files don't have a dir in them.. spitting source code into my /home dir.. argh [20:27] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-167-117.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:28] raela, http://sourceforge.net/projects/g2c/ any good? [20:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-151-40-23.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:30] dive: thanks! I'll try that now [20:30] good luck,raela [20:31] ..ugh. I don't have gnome files, so I can't compile g2c [20:32] grazymax (n=grazymax@host170-48-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:34] ...oh. libg2c is in gcc 3 but not gcc 4.. will it cause problems if I install gcc 3 and gcc-g77? (plus libs) [20:35] or just g77.. hrm [20:36] spmd (n=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:38] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "ha oui, je me casse regarder un film" [20:39] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-136-195.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:39] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [20:40] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-151-40-23.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [20:45] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:45] anyone know of a prism 2 mini-pci card? [20:47] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-185-9.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [20:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:51] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) joined ##slackware. [20:58] aplox (n=aplox@pc-29-81-241-201.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] aplox (n=aplox@pc-29-81-241-201.cm.vtr.net) left ##slackware. [20:59] fl_ (i=irc@ks29953.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:59] hey. [20:59] v4nelle (n=van@adsl10-47.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:59] anyone would know what are the bare bare bare very basic minimum packages to install to get a X-Windows up and running? [21:00] nothing fancy. just being able to use xterms and that's it. [21:00] ok [21:00] no web browser, no nothing. [21:00] yes... well..... look i will tell you [21:01] i found out by trial and error in slack 10, haven't done it w/ slack since [21:01] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Eagle IS A FAT CUNT, AND EATS GUY'S ASSHOLES" [21:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:03] get A, L, N, X...... I am not sure if xterm is in X or in XAP though [21:03] let me look [21:04] dios_mio, I know the stuff's supposed to be in X but there are litteraly thousands of packages in there. [21:04] just need to be able to fire up X11. [21:04] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [21:05] i guessfl, then get A, L, N, and X [21:05] well, I am not sure if L is absolutely necessary [21:06] A is the base.... and N is network [21:06] L is libraries [21:06] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#INSTALLATION-SOFTWARE-SERIES [21:06] are you even reading me? [21:06] dios_mio, hello? [21:06] hi? [21:06] what [21:06] dios_mio, I know the stuff's supposed to be in X but there are litteraly thousands of packages in there. [21:06] thinkpad ~ $ ls /home/ftp/slackware64-current/slackware64/x/*.txz | wc -l [21:06] just need to be able to fire up X11. [21:06] so you want to pick and choose what to get in X? [21:06] 252 [21:06] OMG, THOUSANDS [21:07] thrice`, heh [21:07] if you want to micro-manage packages, slackware isn't the best choice [21:07] I cant tell you what to pick and choose in the X software series [21:07] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.46.243) joined ##slackware. [21:07] well let's see.. [21:07] we have [21:07] stop pushing enter. [21:07] thrice`, is L necessary for the minimum install? [21:07] xinit-1.1.1-i486-1.txz xorg-cf-files-1.0.2-noarch-3.txz xterm-243-i486-2.txz [21:07] what else? [21:08] fl_: stop it [21:08] deco, stop what? [21:08] for x.org? are you joking? [21:08] xorg-server needs about 90 packages to run [21:08] 90?! [21:08] dependencies * [21:08] fl_: instead of speculating, why not experiment and then you will know [21:08] fl_, , go get the net install of debian, and install X from its aptitude [21:08] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [21:09] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [21:09] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [21:09] dios_mio: wtf are you telling someone to do that for? [21:09] install gentoo, and try to build xorg-server; that will give you the bare-minimum [21:09] right, install debian while we're on a slackware channel. [21:09] best idea ever. [21:09] heh [21:09] :| [21:09] dios_mio, you sit, are a troll. and a bad one if I may add. [21:09] well, we're bored with helping a clueless user try to do something slackware isn't designed for [21:09] s/sit/sir [21:09] clueless? [21:09] "yes" ;-) [21:09] fl_, I was trying to help you, you spoilt asshole... you are supposed to be thanking me for spending time here trying to help you [21:10] you calling me clueless you stupid motherfucker? [21:10] if you think x.org needs 3 packages, you're clueless [21:10] I dunno, debian/ubuntu even! are looking tempting right now to me to get this damn eigenstrat to work :P gah. I can see the package I need staring me down right now.. in its nice .rpm form [21:10] I have been a slackware user since 1997? [21:10] stupid piece of shit. [21:10] dios_mio: asking for thanks is really ass backwards [21:10] I bet you have :D [21:10] antiwire, why is that? [21:10] either you're lying, or you're incredibly slow to learn [21:10] fl_: on behalf of the channel, please ignore dios_mio, he's indeed as you well noticed, about 20 cards short of a full deck of clue. [21:10] thrice`, yeah whatever, just like three days ago, you're useful as a hole in an apple. [21:11] dios_mio: If you need that explained I can't help you at all [21:11] fl_: Try not to insult the regulars.. [21:11] BP{k}, I tried my best helping.. I wasnt trolling.. I dont deserve being called names by the guy i am trying to helkp [21:11] anyway, why did you list xterm? that's definitely not needed for xorg. get rid of that bloat [21:11] thrice`, newsflash for you dumbass: back in the days, slackware 3.x would fit on a 100MB partition or even less. [21:11] hrm, does anyone just happen to have a libg2c0.so.0 sitting around that could possibly work on my system? that'd be nice [21:11] antiwire, why do people help others in these rooms if not for a "thanks"? [21:11] this is fun [21:12] dios_mio: getting thanks is nice but asking for it is not the same. [21:12] and X wasn't filled with hundreds of "garbage" packages. [21:12] antiwire, I am not asking for it [21:12] you sure did [21:12] well, I was trying to be nice, but now i've realized you're just a fucking moron [21:12] and clueless about how the xorg modules work [21:12] fl_: i suggest you get into a time machine and get back to 1997 [21:12] how hard is it just to get X installed, install fluxbox or blackbox, aterm or xterm and get it running? [21:13] antiwire, he insulted me when he actually owes me thanks because I gave my time, went on to find a link for him and all [21:13] Bring me back some google stock, please [21:13] do I fucking have to compile all the shit by myself niggaplz? [21:13] straterra: hell, even yahoo stock [21:13] and as you see he is an asshole [21:13] ananke: Any major stock these days [21:13] Gimme some apple stock [21:13] or do as suggested "trial and error"? [21:13] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:13] do a full install [21:13] fl_, if you dont like the help fuck off then? [21:13] fl_: you're past the point of no return. collect your toys and leave [21:13] Don't pass go. Don't collect 200 packages. [21:13] ananke, fine enough, sir. [21:13] straterra: argh, yeah. apple stock would be good [21:14] Go straight to jail [21:14] and bend over in the shower [21:14] drop the soap first [21:15] dios_mio, go die in armenia, you stupid ignorant turkish muslim piece of shit. fuck you. [21:15] fl_ (i=irc@ks29953.kimsufi.com) left irc: "dumbasses" [21:15] :| [21:15] wow ... [21:15] o.O [21:15] ~_o [21:15] well that went well [21:15] k then [21:15] man, even jeev shows some respect [21:15] im surprised he lasted long enough to say that [21:15] I wonder how he really felt [21:15] The upside is he wishes to have sexual intercourse with you, dios_mio [21:15] :D [21:15] GammalSokk (n=johskar@137.84-48-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:15] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [21:15] The downside is..you have to wear a burka [21:15] :D [21:16] it's not gay if he's imagining you are a woman, right? [21:16] Right [21:16] he's probably too lazy for proper sex [21:16] has too much unnecessary bloat, you know [21:16] hate to ask 'bout the sideways,straterra....X_X [21:16] lmao [21:17] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] so what are the packages to get x running ? [21:18] :P lol [21:18] greetings andarius, how are you? [21:18] greetings and salutations [21:18] lol [21:18] \o/, beat him this time. :P [21:18] salutations fire|bird, doing well. and faster than you :P how are you ? [21:18] fire|bird: second time now :P [21:18] deco: fortune. that's all you need [21:18] andarius: I am great, thank you. :) [21:18] heya,andarius [21:18] salutations MLanden [21:19] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.132.127) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:19] wotcha andarius :) [21:19] wotcha BP{k} :) [21:20] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.46.243) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:20] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-185-9.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [21:21] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [21:22] weeeeee [21:22] slackwizzle [21:23] spmd (n=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [21:23] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.7.253) joined ##slackware. [21:24] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:25] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:25] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] Hello all. First time on Slack and loving it. Faster on a dell 8200 (pulled from trash) than my Motorola 1.33Ghz mac (died Friday RIP). Might be a lame q, but considering a power mac. Anybody dual boot? [21:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.77.80) joined ##slackware. [21:26] power mac is a powerbook? [21:26] nah a tower. [21:27] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) joined ##slackware. [21:27] intel 8 core [21:27] oh, "mac pro?" [21:27] yes "facepalm" [21:28] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [21:28] mm, no comment here. they seem a little pricey to me, though I'd gladly take one :) [21:28] lol. google it is. [21:30] thrice [21:30] i'm still running 2.6.29.6 [21:30] ;d [21:30] Linux thinkpad 2.6.32-rc6 #2 SMP Tue Nov 3 18:55:54 EST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:30] :) [21:30] nice [21:31] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.29.145) joined ##slackware. [21:32] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:32] dmonk: on that machine i'd just use osx. [21:32] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) left irc: "Leaving" [21:35] i wonder where straterra is [21:35] Watching 21 [21:35] when are we playing [21:35] Linux blackbriar 2.6.29.6 #2 SMP Mon Aug 17 11:58:18 CDT 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9600 @ 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:35] 21 jump street? [21:35] idk [21:35] I got on last night [21:35] thrice`, your cpu blows [21:35] lets play in a few minutes ? [21:36] I know :( [21:36] RR broadcast #1 is way too large for my liking [21:36] my favorite laptop is not this SSD one ;/ [21:36] I like server #2 [21:36] hey have a second server ? [21:36] yeah..less packed [21:36] broadcast? lets do it [21:36] less spawn -> die [21:36] that's fine, i dont mind dying. it only happens with nube tubes [21:36] and my kdr is like 4/1 ot 5/1 [21:36] or [21:37] Maybe in a few [21:37] ok let me know, msg me or something if i'm not paying attention [21:37] kk [21:37] i want to make my blog site already, i dunno what to use [21:37] wordpress [21:38] too cheezy [21:38] ananke:thanks. it would be a pricey linux dev box [21:38] jeev_: why not just use a service like google? [21:39] pi31415, because i have the bandwidth and servers [21:39] you can send them to me :) [21:39] they're already tightly fastened in their racks [21:40] thats ok, ill send a screw driver [21:40] pfft [21:40] why dont i give you my anal virginity while i'm at it [21:40] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:40] without vaseline [21:40] no, straterra can have that. i only want the servers :P [21:41] i'm so fascinated with html 5's video [21:41] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.29.145) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:41] dmonk: so you'd be buying hardware that works great with osx, and using another os on it? :) why not buy different hardware? [21:43] anake:I need a design workstation, but am pleased with Slack. The notebook I have is crap, so just interested in dual booting. [21:43] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] i've yet to boot into windows 7 after the first time i installed it [21:43] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.7.253) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:44] petslack (n=petslack@201-42-216-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:44] dmonk (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:44] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-13.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:45] one of the original hackers for cable modems got busted [21:45] shet ;/ [21:45] where [21:45] derengel [21:45] tcniso.net [21:45] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-82-13.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:46] dmonk (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:47] jeev_::)) (lame grin?) [21:47] what's up [21:48] fs (n=fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] hi test [21:49] hi Quiznos:) [21:49] heya hitest, how's it going? [21:49] heya hitest [21:49] MLanden did you watch V last night? [21:49] hi fire|bird, MLanden:) [21:50] Quiznos: nah..didn't get a chance [21:50] bummer [21:50] it is going well, fire|bird:) ty, how are you? [21:50] hitest: great, thank you. :) [21:50] Quiznos: How's it progressing? [21:50] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] epi 1 so far; it's decent. last nite's was pretty fast doing setup for series [21:51] fire|bird: yw. God I'm busy doing paperwork, have no life atm [21:51] lol [21:51] sux to be me:) lol [21:52] i see,quiznos....hopefully,they'll stay true to the series...((knocks on wood)) [21:52] right now anyway. :P [21:52] yea [21:52] fire|bird: so are you tinkering with anything lately? [21:53] hitest: SeaMonkey 2, with thrice`s help I got that built and installed. I got xfce power manager back working, so, yeah, sort of. :) [21:53] nice [21:53] if i static link a glibc2 application can i expect it to run on a libc5 system? [21:53] hitest: I always seem to be tinkering with something. :P [21:53] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-80-213.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:53] MLanden _Grease 2_ on WGN.tv; i dint know people sang and danced that much in the 50s :) [21:54] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@24.159.166.178 expired. [21:54] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:54] dissociative !!! [21:54] lol,Quiznos [21:54] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-145.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] fire|bird: yeah, I like to mess with stuff too, lots of fun:) I bought an inexpensive KVM switch...waiting for it to arrive so I can tie two of my low-end PCs together:) [21:54] MLanden you're in virginia? [21:55] hitest: nice [21:55] Quiznos: right [21:55] MLanden congrats on the conservative-elect. [21:55] I need to update a few packages inside xorg for a window manager i'm trying to install. Is the best way to do this to try upgrade the individual libraries or to modify the x11 slackbuild in the sources and recompile x11 entirely? i'm quite new to managing packages manually sorry [21:56] Quiznos: On the governorship...heard New Jersey went the same way [21:56] uva (i=bno@118-168-239-250.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] fs ftp what you need to local/ and install from there [21:56] petslack (n=petslack@201-42-216-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [21:56] MLanden yea; for N.Y. 23rd, i'm still psyched; as Palin says "it's not over yet" and in my home county, they ousted a 10year dem-incumbant for a republican too. [21:57] fs: what window manager are you trying to install? [21:57] MLanden county north of the bronx [21:57] Action: hitest wanders off to dinner...be back soon:) [21:57] gn hitest [21:57] i'l be gone in a few [21:57] gn Quiznos:) [21:57] Quiznos: sorry, i may have missed out some detail there. I need to get libxcb to version 1.5 which is at version 1.4 in slackware 13, so i need to swap the packages out I would assume? [21:57] Quiznos: ok....big landslide? [21:57] BP{k} awesome, that tiling window manager [21:58] "BSD developers are sane, down to earth, sort of developers. So are most Linux developers. But the FSF is entirely a bunch of assclowns" -- http://www.galexander.org/glibc.html [21:58] i dont think so but the report was sparse [21:58] fs; well, if you dont want binpkgs, then get the source/ you want to local/ [21:58] and go from there [21:58] fs: awesome 3 or aweseom 2.3.x? [21:58] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [21:59] MLanden the dem was the county admin [21:59] BP{k} 3.3.4 or 3.4 are what I was trying to get working [21:59] "top dog" of county [21:59] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:59] lol,Quiznos......the local Boss Hogg? [21:59] khratos (n=jespinal@190.167.135.127) left irc: "Leaving" [22:00] heh hardly, county butts the bronx's north side immediately [22:00] fs: hmm you probably will need to rebuild the packages you need to upgrade. I would start with downloading the source and build libxcb and upgrade that. then go from there. [22:00] it's still nyc [22:00] ahhhh....i see [22:00] Yonkers, White Plains (county seat) New Rochelle, those places [22:01] BP{k}, my issue is that there are no source packages for libxcb, it seems to be all built as part of x11 [22:01] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] fs: one sec :) let me have a look at the x11 source dir [22:01] MLanden and i found a bunch of people from the gang I hung out with there on facebook too (and from elem/hs too) [22:01] which arch are you on, fs ? [22:01] i need some help here peps [22:01] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:01] BP{k}, i'm just not sure if getting the sources for x11 and then changing the tar.zx files side the source will work or not [22:01] we all do [22:01] i have been working on a project at work for a while now [22:02] BP{k} thanks =) [22:02] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F6290.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] using 2.6.18 el5 kernel on red hat [22:02] i need to get a wifi mini-pci card into ap mode. [22:02] thrice`: i'm using i486 i think [22:02] only been to New York City once .... 'round Manhatten and Brooklyn and back over to North Jersey [22:03] thrice`: slackware 13 32bit anyways =) [22:03] MLanden did you enjoy it? [22:03] i have certin security requirements i need. and every way i turn. either the kernel is to old. or they do not produce the damn card anymore [22:03] anyone know of a prism 2 based mini-pci card? [22:03] fs, ok; that x11.SlackBuild does everything, actually [22:03] Quiznos: yeah,it was cool [22:03] lotec write the kernel maintainer on the dev [22:03] device [22:03] MLanden good. [22:03] Quiznos, i have done that [22:03] no one should have a bad sperience [22:04] lotec ok [22:04] and i dont konw how much you know about redhat, but there porting stuff into the kernel takes ages [22:04] fs: I would get the source/x/x11/ (everything in that dir .. then place the new files needed in src/xcb and run ./X11.SlackBuild xcb [22:04] is there anything RH specific in kernel you're using? [22:05] just getting them to update to libnl 1.1 and libnl 1.1-devel has taken them a month and still not progress [22:05] come on straterra [22:05] thrice`: yeah i've had a bit of a look at it, but I'm not to great at bash scripting.. if I were to just change the tarballs around in the src directory would it compile against them instead? I can't seem to find versioning or anything in the slackbuild file [22:05] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [22:05] j0z (n=JESUS@201.47.27.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:05] lotec is there anything RH specific in kernel you're using? [22:05] well using a ath5k mini-pci card i need libnl1.1 with they are only up to 1.0 I can not use Hostapd as it will not build [22:06] BP{k}, I will give that a try, thanks heaps for your help. still trying to get my head around slackbuilds and the like haha [22:06] lotec does that run on vanila kern? [22:06] fs: not a problem .. x11 is a bit of a bugger .. but if you manage to grok that .. the rest are relatively simple in comparison .. [22:06] Quiznos: ath5k yes just uses madwifi, but hostapd witch i need to put it into AP mode will not build [22:07] lotec ok; let's focus on that; why not? [22:07] have to have libnl 1.1 plus depends [22:07] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] lotec i'm thinking you change to a vanilla and bring everything you need and go from there [22:07] Quiznos, i can not add to the kernel. [22:08] change kern [22:08] upgrade [22:08] i cant [22:08] why? [22:08] BP{k}: sweet. Yeah haven't really had too many issues up til now. How would I got about doing system updates in the future? is it just a matter of keeping track of all your customizations and then patching things in new releases? [22:08] our contract [22:08] with rh? [22:08] surely there's room for movement? [22:08] we are a provider for the government of networking equipment [22:08] there are certin standards that have to stay in place [22:08] toothpick the contract. it's cant be iron in the face of technical developements [22:09] if we start adding pkg to the kernel. then we must maintain a kernel for them [22:09] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:09] you dont add pkg[s] to kernel. [22:09] that's a dist action. [22:09] on top of all of this. the card has to be wifi alliance certified along with eap-tls [22:09] Quiznos: modules [22:09] ok [22:09] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [22:09] modules, internal or not, are not packages [22:10] that's liberal revisionism [22:10] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:10] ok [22:10] so finding a card that can actualy do this is also ruff to find. expecially with the kernel version we are using. [22:10] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:10] ok; ebay, craig's, froogle. [22:10] there is no nl80211 headers for the 2.6.18 el5 kernel [22:11] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.46) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:12] quiznos has to be on this list [22:12] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-80-213.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:12] http://www.wi-fi.org/search_products.php?search=1&lang=en&filter_category_id=2&listmode=1 [22:12] jhw (n=jhw@p548F5EC3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] yea, i'm just naming places to grep [22:13] i just hate projects like this [22:14] lotec is there a hal api to poke the card? [22:14] explore card [22:14] i have an ath5k card. witch comes up. but Hostapd is what is stoping me now. [22:14] fs: pretty much yes :). basically what I do with customasation is store them in a seperate directory (I keep ~/build/slackware/ for this). I also give my packages a custom $TAG with them so I know what is mine and what is slackware :) [22:14] lotec what does that do? [22:14] it will not build with the crypto [22:14] why? [22:15] wep wap support [22:15] eap-tls support [22:15] those are needed? [22:15] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:15] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.4.193) joined ##slackware. [22:15] because there is no libnl 1.1 [22:15] yes i need wep wap eap-tls and a few more [22:15] ok [22:16] why haven't they cancelled mythbusters [22:16] such a stupid hsow [22:16] heh [22:16] the girl's a hottie [22:16] BP{k}: awesome. thanks for the advice, it's much appreciated. was getting pretty lost with x11 haha =) [22:16] shes ok [22:17] hot [22:17] no way [22:17] fs: hehe, no problem. :) [22:17] lotec what errors are produced from make? [22:18] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-145.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:18] Missing libnl 1.1 and dependencies. [22:19] and the contract forbids installing that/them? [22:19] i dont have the box in front of me so i cant give specific right now. [22:19] k [22:19] but that is what is keeping it from building [22:19] k [22:20] lotec renegotiate the contract clause preventing portage [22:20] contract does not forbid, but if we start adding to the kernel then we must maintain a kernel for them [22:20] lotec then test-port/install privately for workability [22:20] also redhat is a PITA when it comes to support for stuff that is not built by them [22:20] yea [22:21] well i can get it to work using rpm's from other distros [22:21] rworkman (i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman) left ##slackware ("Dumbfuckery might be contagious, so I'm leaving."). [22:21] k [22:21] friggin redhat does not even have rpm's for what we need [22:21] rworkman (i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [22:22] oops. :D [22:22] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [22:22] why are we talking about redhat [22:22] bc he's stuck with it [22:22] there's no such thing as stuck with it [22:22] govt contract bugaboo [22:22] unless if red hat supports call of duty [22:22] only redhat [22:23] i'd get rid of the contract [22:23] yea [22:23] how could you live with yourself using redhat in any environment [22:23] SP to gov [22:23] night,folks...all take care [22:23] gn [22:23] later [22:23] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-179-169.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:23] i'm gonna turn off the lappy, i'll be on in a few minutes. hopefully mlanden is ready for an ass kicking [22:23] i mean straterra [22:24] heh [22:24] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: "fart" [22:24] nixie!!! [22:24] later quiznos [22:24] you leaven? 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[22:30] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-201-183.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:30] oh nose, more windmills [22:30] hurr sup Quiznos [22:30] not much, i'm back [22:31] my lighter keeps dissapearing in the bowels of the couch [22:31] heh [22:31] welcome back! [22:31] ty; but some others are not happy :) [22:31] heh [22:31] i am socially inept, you guys are funny. [22:32] dmonk go outside and get some sun. [22:32] tawk to ppl [22:32] Action: deco has had too much sun [22:32] go to a store and ask for help for something you might need [22:32] Action: deco horrible tan [22:32] brb gota put the boy to bed he's starting to twist in his swing [22:32] Qzuiznos:I try, but they make me go to the burning hot loud room and play with computers. [22:33] wear noise canceling earplugs [22:33] Quiznos:I do. Etymotics. It is the only reason I survive. [22:34] k [22:34] lol [22:34] thanks tho [22:34] yw [22:35] id like to find one of the places that give a way those fancy fake fireplace heater deals [22:35] imr4N (n=pikachu@203.128.250.3) joined ##slackware. [22:35] amish folk must be hiding [22:35] thrift stores? [22:35] nixchix0r, those advertisements have always amused me [22:35] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.47.77) joined ##slackware. [22:35] nixchix0r: just paint some card board and stick some logs in there [22:36] heh [22:36] too many luddites in the world [22:36] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:36] it would be like a catholic monastery running a clone of goodvibes.com [22:37] sue some old coke canes for a vent, and run it out a window stick a towel around the cans so the smoke does not escape [22:37] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] coffee cans and duct tape for more air flow [22:39] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:39] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:39] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.80.73) joined ##slackware. [22:39] good thing nixie is getting dsl soon :/ [22:40] how in the heck does she use dial up still, i would crap myself [22:40] lotec: no she uses sat [22:41] if i had dail up i would only navigate the internets with lynx [22:41] and irc [22:41] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:41] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:41] using dwm [22:41] jeev: im in now [22:41] OMFG SAT?????????? [22:42] lotec: yup [22:42] alisonken1hom2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:42] better then dialup. jebus i am glad i dont live in the sticks [22:42] lotec: she lives like in the forest or something [22:42] alisonken1hom2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] was thinking of buying land in alaska, put up yurt, get sat, work from home. [22:44] deco: i guess so if you have to use sat net. and she in in england on top of that. i thought they had a better infostructure over there [22:44] imr4N (n=pikachu@203.128.250.3) left ##slackware. [22:45] lotec: shes not ... shes in the usa [22:45] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-136.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] deco: ok well i am just going to shut up then :D [22:46] \o/ [22:46] :) [22:46] dmonk: wow, that's hardcore [22:47] dmok: set up a wisp. you could make some cash. pipe internet to eskimos :D [22:48] pi31415:nah, more like running away ;) [22:48] lotec:a cyber cafe in those parts would be FUN!!! [22:49] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [22:49] yea, if you dont mind dog crap and moose meat on the floors :D [22:49] i tried loading google reader in lynx but it fails without javascript [22:49] lol [22:50] links does jscript [22:50] why are people in centos and generally linux irc chats such pricks for? [22:50] because we hate you! [22:50] thrice not here [22:51] oh :) [22:51] then, um...nevermind [22:51] just like they dont want to help [22:51] puhleez don't rant about other channels here [22:51] lotec: I saw you sign off with a very profane message earlier.. maybe they are reacting to your approach? [22:51] they act like there special centos and ubuntu are horrible places to ask questions [22:52] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.136.31) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:52] pi31415 what was the message? [22:52] ill have to see what it is set to [22:52] something about how bad Eagle is [22:52] o boy [22:52] did not know that was there. [22:53] i apoligize [22:53] oh the eagle thing lol [22:54] ok fixed. [22:57] dang where did everyone go? [22:57] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:57] Action: lotec drops Pin [22:57] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.14.162) joined ##slackware. [22:57] watching show on radio telescopes [22:58] anyone here uses xterm and always wanted a way of highlighting links with one click ? [22:58] your watching a show on a radio telescope? or your watching a show about radio telescopes [22:58] deco: i use zterm [22:58] lol. about [22:58] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:00] i am watching xfiles [23:00] no idea why i am not sleeping [23:01] xfiles? The World Series is on! [23:01] xfiles usually suffices to slow brain activity [23:02] baseball blows [23:02] !ban thrice` [23:02] if whever wins do you get money? [23:02] baseball sucks [23:02] do i? [23:02] no money [23:03] baseball does suck [23:03] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-218-145.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:05] Who Watches the World Series anymore? [23:06] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.47.77) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:06] I do [23:06] if it was not for NY and Phillie no one would be watching it now. on top of that. there was no late football game on sunday, because of friggin baseball [23:06] along with a few million other people [23:06] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:07] baloney. I watch the WS no matter who's playing [23:07] lol slashdot chan is now sports chan. the end is neigh. [23:07] danc3: it is just not interesting, i like sports but usually it goes the same everytime [23:08] I think it's interesting [23:08] i like soccer and rugby [23:08] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [23:08] slashdot no, slackware yes [23:08] danc3 what makes it interesting to you? [23:08] I love baseball, always have. That's what [23:09] and I hope to see the Yankees lose, but doesn't look like that's gonna happen [23:09] i am not a big baseball fan, never played except for some street games [23:09] football i enjoy [23:09] I've played baseball all my life [23:09] as well as football [23:09] basketball is another one that stinks [23:09] i thiink i was scarred by t-ball. :| [23:09] oh :o , you guys wanna see a hairless bear ? [23:10] jesus deco. [23:10] danc3: i myself want to see NY loose [23:10] i take that as a no :/ [23:11] deco lets see it [23:11] ok [23:11] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1225042/Bald-bears-baffle-vets-mystery-condition-German-zoo.html [23:11] hehehehe looks like a big rat [23:12] i am not going to sleep well tonight. [23:12] lol yeah freaked me out at first [23:12] but the last cute bear made it better [23:12] cute? [23:13] now i have compassion. it is prolly cold a lot. [23:13] dmonk: the lil one at the end [23:13] it just needs to go run a hot bath, and drink some hot coco [23:13] dgrrr i ment danc3 ^ [23:15] is a red mark bad? [23:15] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.14.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:15] using XChat [23:16] dunno i have red marks for people that left [23:16] using irssi [23:16] custom theme [23:17] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30B05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [23:17] mipz0r (n=guilherm@189.6.150.148) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:17] nevermind. i am too new. will lurk more and figure it out. [23:18] jar_corefile (n=jcordasc@adsl-71-150-249-159.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] just got wireless working on slack lappy after weeks of trying. still very new to Linux [23:19] dmonk: congrats [23:19] deco:thx [23:19] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-82-13.cia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] dmonk: how the hell did u do it? :P [23:20] use xchat [23:20] madwifi [23:20] straterra, what happened?!?! [23:20] ws_config was maddening hell [23:21] ws_config ?? [23:21] dmonk: what laptop is it? so we know what to not buy [23:21] jeev: I got tired of being switched to opfor every round..and trying nonstop for 5 minutes to use an airstrike [23:21] I prefer server 2 [23:21] DELL = HELL [23:21] but i did find it in the trash and its all i got right now [23:22] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:22] dmonk: it works man, that is what matters [23:22] yeah, im pretty happy with it [23:22] :) the community is great too! [23:22] well dell is kind of nice [23:22] dmonk: hang out in here there is alot of knowledge in this room [23:23] dmok, what model dell? [23:23] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-143-229.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:23] lotec:i plan to. thx [23:23] miked (n=mike@203.88.90.202) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:24] 8200 inspiron 2 GB ram 2.66 intel m speedstep 64 MB graphics. i maxed it out ebay style ;) [23:24] dmonk: and you found that in the trash ? [23:25] damn, wish i could find a laptop like that to stick nix on [23:25] yup. my work throws a TON of stuff away. thanks to virtualization. Xeon servers, switches, cabinets [23:25] dmonk: beats my laptop XD [23:25] deco: what are you on? [23:26] i check craigs for cheap lappy all the time. people on there saling p3 for 300 dollars with 28mb of memory lol [23:26] ice799 (n=joe@67-23-10-49.static.slicehost.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] dmonk: 1.2GB RAM , AMD 1.6ghz single core, nvidia geforce 4 go 32mb mobile [23:26] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:26] Yo. I am thinking about switching to slackware, but question: are the binary packages stripped by default? [23:27] deco:and i bet slack still flies! :) [23:27] dmonk: you bet ;-) [23:27] not with kide4? [23:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [23:27] with junk turned on [23:27] Naraku: nope , that's why i use dwm [23:28] i use dwm but if i need a De i would use xfce [23:28] /s/De/DE [23:28] xfce is the only DE i have installed [23:28] dwm looks pretty barren [23:29] Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo memory 4GB 667 Mhz DDR2 Sdram [23:29] Any of you guys on a slackware box right now... can you check if your binaries are stripped? [23:29] anybody use awesome? [23:29] eg: file `which ruby` [23:29] or whatever. [23:29] ice799, yes [23:29] my laptop is a piece of junk [23:29] =C. [23:29] hiptobecubic: thanks. [23:29] ice799: how do you tell? [23:30] dells rule! [23:30] danc3, $(file /usr/bin/python) [23:30] dmonk: i did [23:30] danc3: just fun rile on a random binary [23:30] danc3: it'll tell you if it's stripped. [23:30] ok thx [23:30] danc3: errr, scuse me. file not rile. heh [23:30] they are stripped ice [23:30] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-34-208.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:31] jeev: thanks. [23:31] dmonk: what about it ? [23:31] That is unfortunate, imho. [23:31] Oh well. [23:31] ice799, recompile if you need to debug something. I think the dev-team is more concerned about size [23:31] how come [23:31] if you really need it, recompile [23:31] deco:did you have to install each dependency separately? [23:31] dmonk: yes [23:31] hiptobecubic, yea. [23:31] hiptobecubic, yea. size does matter [23:31] hiptobecubic: that's too bad. [23:31] i need to get ou tof those core2duo. i need a quad [23:31] dmonk: that's what you do in slackware ... [23:32] ice799, it's usually pretty trivial to recompile yourself if you need to. The slackbuilds are on the mirrors, as are the sourceballs [23:32] isn't one proprietary? [23:32] Owner (n=Owner@c-24-8-197-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] dmonk: dunno ... i use dwm now i only used awesome for like 5 minutes [23:32] Nick change: Owner -> Scarra3 [23:32] lotec, faster dual core will usually serve you better than a slower quad [23:33] hiptobecubic: yes. i just meant that stripping by default is unfortunate. [23:33] lotec, unless you are doing something inherently threadhaeavy [23:33] ice799, why? [23:33] Evening [23:33] deco:cool... just wondering. I was digging it when using in debian [23:33] hiptobecubic: imho it would be useful to have debug info so that when something dies you can get a useful backtrace. [23:33] q6600 was the worst proc i ever had [23:33] dmonk: if you want a tiling wm , just dwm ;-) [23:33] hiptobecubic: i prefer that everything on my system *not* be stripped. [23:33] hiptobecubic: i just use it to browse the internets [23:34] Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo [23:34] Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz [23:34] deco:i am still trying to figure out how to obtain packages through the command line (i said i was new) [23:34] ice799: why? [23:34] dmonk: ah ok then just use a DE for now [23:34] danc3: so i can debug stuff when something goes wrong. [23:35] deco:i want to stay true to the line, but when i try i loose the resource of communication [23:35] ice799: things don't go wrong when using Slackware. ;) [23:35] slack is stable [23:35] ice799, but since 'stuff going wrong' is not the default or expected behavior, i prefer to just rebuild the one thing i'm trying to debug if and when that happens [23:35] indeed [23:35] i'd rather not have unstripped everything for 500 packages [23:36] well OK i have a few servers running some apps that get quite a bit of traffic. [23:36] i like being able to use various tools (ltrace, gdb, etc) to inspect the state of my web apps [23:36] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] i need to hit the sack peps. talk to you all later [23:36] nn [23:36] so, for that reason, i prefer that everything be not stripped. [23:36] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "And Punt" [23:36] how do I check which arch I'm using? [23:36] ice799: OK then, guess you better not use Slackware. Buh-bye. [23:37] raela, uname -m [23:37] and yes, while I understand that things going wrong is not the *expected* behavior it does happen. it is useful to just have non-stripped binaries, especially if the bug you are trying to catch is not easily reproducible. [23:38] ice799: OK then, guess you better not use Slackware. Buh-bye. [23:38] i decided to not strip everything when i ran into some weird issues that wouldnt reproduce easily. i basically had to have non stripped binaries of lots of junk and then sit and wait for a core. [23:38] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: "Out of iface, Smoke Break;" [23:38] ice799: OK then, guess you better not use Slackware. Buh-bye. [23:38] Sounds like Gentoo would be a better fit for your, ice799. You can compile your binaries however you damn well feel like. [23:39] anyway, i think it would be a good idea to revisit the assumption that everyone wants stripped binaries all the time. i'd argue most users don't care but having nonstripped binaries can help package maintainers and programmers find and fix bugs more easily. [23:40] night all [23:40] ice799: Gentoo or LFS is over there ----------------> [23:40] especially in the case where, for example, it explods on my system but not yours. [23:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:40] ice799, if that is the case then either you're doing something abnormal or your hardware is shite. [23:40] veritos: Not necessarily. [23:41] ice799, package maintainers and programmers don't usually have stripped binaries, they are building their stuff themselves [23:41] hiptobecubic: agreed. [23:41] Action: danc3 smells troll [23:41] jar_corefile (n=jcordasc@adsl-71-150-249-159.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:41] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@adsl-71-150-249-159.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] I'm simply saying in the case where an end user hits a bug that a maintainer or programmer is unable to hit. Recovering a usable core is great in those cases. [23:41] danc3: not sure how i'm being a troll. [23:42] ice799, if something is unstable enough that maintainers are hoping to get debug info from random-joe-user, then the software is probably not ready for slackware. [23:42] email Pat V. about your concerns, ice799 [23:42] ice799, when that happens, pop out the slackbuild, recompile it with the CFLAGS of your choice, and start debugging. [23:42] ice799: and he won't bother answering you, and you'll have your answer. [23:43] hiptobecubic: is there a ruby package in slackware? [23:43] ice799, he might answer. just ask why everything is stripped and whether that makes it hard for them to debug [23:43] ice799, i believe it's installed by default [23:43] Right and that binary segfaults pretty regularly. [23:43] ruby is installed by default [23:43] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@adsl-71-150-249-159.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] and for people who try to fix those bugs (like me) not getting usable cores makes life difficult. [23:43] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:43] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@adsl-71-150-249-159.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] ice799: OK sounds good. Better run along and email Pat with your concerns... [23:44] ice799, if you feel like you want to debug ruby then rebuild it and have a go. I've never had a problem with it. [23:44] hiptobecubic: I will google him and email him. No idea who that is, off hand though. [23:44] ice799, pat is the slackware head honcho [23:44] look on the Slack page [23:44] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.169) left irc: "Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de" [23:44] eh [23:44] BLASPHEMY! [23:45] CAST YE OUT OF OUR PRESENCE! [23:45] !ban ice799 [23:45] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:45] ? [23:45] heh [23:45] lol what? he's not crazy [23:45] danc3: I really think you need to relax a little bit. [23:45] ice799: I get riled up by trolls [23:46] danc3: If you don't care about the conversation don't participate. [23:46] ice799: I get riled up by trolls [23:46] danc3, i'd hardly call him a troll [23:46] danc3: How am I being a troll by asking why things are stripped? [23:46] danc3: I am expressing relevant concerns voiced by many people who use linux on tens of thousands of machines. [23:46] uh huh [23:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:46] Anyway, i'm off to bed. goodluck ice799. [23:46] use Gentoo or LFS [23:47] hiptobecubic: Thanks for your valuable input. Later. [23:47] ice799, OR just recompile what you want to debug. again the slackbuilds are on the mirrors [23:47] danc3: I wish I could say the same to you. [23:47] heh [23:48] danc3, 'Shut up or get out' is way more troll than ice799 [23:48] hiptobecubic: Yes but that solution doesn't always work, especially if you want to attach a monitoring tool to a running process [23:48] ;) [23:48] that is useful for things like core dumps, yes. [23:48] it ws his call to strip symbols, if you're doing a lot of debugging this'll not work for you and you'll have to recompile the packages and leave the symbols on [23:48] where you can retro-actively add in debug information. [23:48] everyone who disagrees with somebody else is a troll [23:49] Naraku, almost correct. Everyone who disagrees with *me* is a troll. [23:49] ice799, recompiling doesn't always work? How do you expect to get unstripped binaries? [23:49] for example, ltrace has a useful flag '-x' which is rendered useless when things are stripped. [23:49] ice, like i said, his call. doesn't make it right but it does make it a reality. so your choices are clear... [23:49] hiptobecubic: You misunderstood me. I mean if you have a running process and you cannot restart it. [23:50] hiptobecubic: Yes rebuilding will work for some class of problems, but in many others it is quite useful to just have the default setup on the system be with unstripped bins/libs. [23:50] ice799, ah. Well in that case it's a gamble and you lost. For the rest of us, I'd rather have smaller footprints [23:50] ice799: Gentoo and LFS are over there ----------------------------------> [23:50] hiptobecubic: You can *always* strip after the fact. You can't go back once you delete the debug info, though. [23:51] ice799, i don't think anyone is questioning whether or not unstripped binaries are useful. It's just not necessary for the vast vast majority [23:51] hiptobecubic: for example, a default install that asks the user which they'd prefer or provides advanced users a script to remove all the information, etc. [23:51] hiptobecubic: yeah i suppose my argument is that most people don't care much about disk usage anymore. [23:51] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-122-13-103.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] ice799, whereas my argument is that most people don't care about stripped binaries [23:52] Fair enough. [23:52] and i feel like more people care about more space than care about debugging programs that they don't, and usually can't, develop [23:52] correction: *NOBODY* cares about stripped binaries, except ice799 [23:53] It would useful, then, if when installing slackware the installer allows advanced users to say 'hey dont strip my stuff' [23:53] what? [23:53] Stripping binaries is usually done during the compile stages.. [23:53] but yes, i suppose i could install and then rebuild everything. [23:53] Panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:53] by tthe time they are in the installer and going ON your system.. they are binaries [23:53] Dominian: Yes. [23:53] Panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [23:53] Dominian: Yes. [23:53] ice799: all of the binaries are stripped that I know of [23:53] Dominian: the installer strips them. [23:54] ice799, if you really want a completely unstripped system, you'll have to look elsewhere or compile everything yourself. Again, you CAN do that in slackware, but at that point you should probably just go with gentoo or lfs anyway, as danc3 suggests [23:54] Dominian: or it COULD strip them. [23:54] ice799: The slackware installer does not strip the binaries [23:54] they are already stripped before packaged [23:54] Dominian: I know. [23:54] ice799: Gentoo and LFS are over there ----------------------------------> [23:54] Well, you can email PV but I guarantee he won't do that. [23:54] danc3: Please, shut the fuck up. [23:54] ice799: Gentoo and LFS are over there ----------------------------------> [23:54] danc3, seriously. [23:54] hiptobecubic: Anyway, have a good night. Thanks for the useful info. [23:55] he's beating a dead horse [23:55] danc3, whether or not you have a point, you are fouling this discussion. [23:55] I normallyl don't agree with danc3 but changing the entire installer just to keep unstripped binaries is not feasible nor needed imho [23:55] and whining about how Slackware "should be". It's not gonna be like that, and his best option is to use Gentoo or LFS. It's that simple, and there is no point in further argument about it. [23:55] look folks, everyone who has a suggestion/gripe/other about slackware should not get slammed [23:55] Dominian: I don't want to retype everything, but please see above discussion with hiptobecubic above. [23:56] ice799: I don't need to re-read the discussion. [23:56] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-136.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:56] mancha: Thank you. [23:56] danc3: If you are saying that slackware should just keep doing what it's been doing just for the sake of tradition, I'd argue that is very foolish. [23:56] danc3: It is important to review your assumptions periodically to determine if they are still correct. [23:57] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:57] public service announcement: if you're too IQ-handicapped to conceive that things can be improved then you're doomed to mediocrity [23:57] danc3, even what you just said there is more useful than 'go use something else. no one cares what you want'. He has legit questions. Just because there's no way pat is going to change the whole distro doesn't mean he's a retard [23:57] didn't say it was "for the sake of tradition"... Don't try to put words in my mouth. [23:57] mancha: calling the entire channel "stupid" in a round-a-bout way doesn't help either now does it? [23:57] Action: hiptobecubic smells a flame war brewing [23:57] Dominia, please explain what that means i don't get it [23:57] nighty night! [23:57] hiptobecubic: Bye. [23:57] night hiptobecubic [23:58] Emacs sucks! [23:58] mancha: If I have to explain it, then you really didn't understand what you just said [23:58] hiptobecubic: didn't you say you were leaving about 10 minutes ago? [23:58] So does opera and mutt [23:58] Dominian, if your comment was a follow-up to mine then i sunmit it was you didn't understand my comment and not the other way around. [23:58] Panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:58] mancha: I understood it just fine. [23:58] danc3, yes. Just not immediately :) [23:59] I do agree with hiptobecubic regarding emacs, opera, and mutt. ;) [23:59] it doesn't seem like it [23:59] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.46) joined ##slackware. [23:59] danc3, finally :D [23:59] lol [23:59] night all [23:59] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [23:59] mancha: I still have yet to see a valid argument as to why stripping the binaries in anyway will be helpful. [23:59] Action: Dominian shrugs [23:59] and with that.. I'm done. [00:00] --- Thu Nov 5 2009