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[01:57] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:57] thats a pretty big project for an open source team [01:57] i always look it up in this epic post: http://dickensurl.com/10822/A_wonderful_fact_to_reflect_upon_that_every_human_creature_is_constituted_to_be_that_profound_secret_and_mystery_to_every_other [01:58] daidoji: most of the heavy lifting is being done by wine I believe, reactos is just taking it and making it into an installable OS I beieve [01:58] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [01:58] especially since doze (especially in those days) was known for its undocumented implementation details [01:58] ahhhh [01:58] well that makes more sense [02:00] was the point to sell people on linux with a Windows feel? [02:00] profit. you know linux is developed by corporations right? [02:01] nuh uh [02:01] its developed by elves and pixies [02:01] led by the head wizard Linus [02:02] who sold his soul to the devil for a POSIX compatible unix kernel clone and his body for the GNU toolset [02:03] http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Search/en-us?query=linus+devil [02:04] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [02:07] newslacker (~root@174-125-27-29.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:10] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-92-136.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:14] pete` (~user@009.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:14] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:15] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:16] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425126.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:16] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:20d:f0ff:fe56:8f4) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:16] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [02:16] gaurav_ (~gaurav@117.196.246.85) joined ##slackware. [02:17] hello [02:17] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:20d:f0ff:fe56:8f4) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Nick change: gaurav_ -> Guest45102 [02:17] ok [02:18] sir tell how to get information about installed package [02:19] i am new to slack [02:19] what kind of information? [02:20] i use in fedora rpm -q pkgname but in slack wt to do [02:20] i dont know rpm. use english [02:21] i use in fedora command "rpm -q pkgname" but in slack wt to do [02:22] i want to know whether any pkg installed or not [02:23] check /var/log/packages/ and read the slackbook. there a link in the channel topic [02:23] Guest27450: that would be a fedora channel question [02:23] Guest45102: as root, type in 'pkgtool' [02:23] sahko: rpm database is not the same as slackware /var/log/packages database [02:24] you have to use the rpm tools on fedora for package checks [02:24] alisonken1lap: he wants the equivalent of it in Slack-foo [02:24] ah [02:24] fu* [02:24] yes [02:24] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-198-68.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: _marc` [02:25] Guest45102: as root, type in 'pkgtool', go to the 'view' option and search for the package [02:26] ok pkgtool work well [02:26] but can i get information about perticular pkg [02:27] Guest45102: exactly what info do you want abput the package? [02:27] about* [02:28] whether vlc installed or not [02:28] Guest45102: go to the "view" section of pkgtool and search for vlc [02:28] then press enter when vlc is highlighted [02:29] ok i agree this is a list if installed pkg [02:29] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:29] or if you just want to see if vlc is installed or not, do a "whereis vlc" in a terminal [02:30] ok cool [02:33] how to update my system from internet [02:33] man slackpkg. [02:33] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [02:36] i installed a pkg "wxcam" using installpkg but its repository is not configured [02:37] wxcam is not part of slackware, so you have to find the deps yourself [02:37] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:37] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:37] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [02:38] is there any application like "wxcam" or "cheese" which can work slack xfce [02:39] check with slackbuilds.org [02:39] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/multimedia/wxcam/ [02:42] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [02:44] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:44] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [02:44] FusionX (FusionX@unaffiliated/fusionx) left irc: Quit: Bnc Problem Brb! [02:44] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:44] rob0 (rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:44] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] rob0 (rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) joined ##slackware. [02:44] how to untar a tar.gz file [02:45] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:45] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:45] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [02:46] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [02:46] Guest45102: now try again by putting exactely what you just asked, but into google http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+untar+a+tar.gz+file&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [02:51] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-1-113-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:52] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [02:54] FusionX_ (FusionX@millie.kottnet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] i am installing wxcam [02:56] so? [02:57] when i run the script it said after running some time command not found [02:57] checking wxWidgets version... ./configure: line 5832: wx-config: command not found [02:57] not found [02:57] configure: error: wxWidgets is required. Try --with-wx-config. [02:58] dEpEnDeNcIeS [02:58] Guest45102: what does the README tell you? [02:58] i wish SBo mentioned needed dependencies in a README or something [02:58] mancha: brilliant idea actually. I'll mention it to the the other admins for implementation of that. [02:58] onlt information about pkg [02:59] it's supposed to [02:59] only information about pkg [02:59] Guest45102: no, go read again [02:59] ok, and since my ideas are always released under a public domain license, no need to worry about licensing issues. [02:59] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [02:59] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [03:00] wow! a README! Who woulda thunka that? [03:00] it is also saying some pkg also require [03:00] wxcam, just from the name, suggests to me the need for the wx widget set so either wxgtk or one of the others should do [03:02] actually script is running but in middle it found eror [03:03] probably missing erros [03:03] missing dep errors [03:03] Guest45102: what you are running into is basically what is called a "dependency" problem. As the README highlights there are various dependencies that wxcam has. You need to install those first. [03:04] and in the proper order as well [03:04] it said wx-config: command not found [03:04] i sugggest reverse alphabetic [03:04] and configure: error: wxWidgets is required. Try --with-wx-config. [03:05] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [03:05] Guest45102 types but does not read. is this a medical condition? [03:05] Nick change: Guest93627 -> BiCHiTo [03:05] BiCHiTo (Yposu4i2zw@bnc25.nggn.info) left irc: Changing host [03:05] BiCHiTo (Yposu4i2zw@unaffiliated/bichito) joined ##slackware. [03:06] BiCHiTo: here's a helpful clue. Search SBo for "wxiWidgets" then compare what you get with what is required (mentioned in the README). [03:06] different gues? [03:07] BP{k}, sorry i don't speak english [03:07] mancha: hm possible. [03:07] thats like a tab-completion-follows-nick-change fail++ [03:07] only houdini was known to be able to accomplish that feat [03:07] hmm that's right in the tripple points ;) [03:08] houdini and BP :P [03:08] heh [03:08] Action: dive holds a 10 card up [03:12] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-1-113-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [03:12] Guest45102: > here's a helpful clue. Search SBo for "wxiWidgets" then compare what you get with what is required (mentioned in the README). [03:16] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-1-113-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[04:13] grazymax (~grazymax@host80-130-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:14] i meant where "is it" ? :) [04:14] on the mirrors and the install dvd. [04:14] also, if you are more specific (slack version, type of touchpad, etc) your chances of help here increase a lot [04:19] mancha, i'm on salckware 13.1 its an Asus laptop... everything else works fine... and i remember fixing this while i was using Slack 12... been away for a while and thought i'd come back to slacky :) [04:19] Morn [04:20] seejay, ok, 13.1's xorg defaults to xorg. you probably need to copy an "fdi" file over and add the ption [04:20] do you have a synaptics fdi file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy? [04:21] ack, slack's 13.1 xorg defaults to HAL (not xorg) though i guess ti also defaults to xorg :) [04:24] also, the chance of help from me increases if you don't let 5 minutes pass between each follow-up question and answer [04:25] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.72.215.94) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:27] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.72.215.94) joined ##slackware. [04:29] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [04:30] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [04:37] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-211-219.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:38] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-211-219.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Lalloso (8a843669@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.132.54.105) joined ##slackware. [04:39] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.254) joined ##slackware. [04:39] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. 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[05:29] Prefect_ (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [05:31] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:41] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:49] pete` (user@009.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [05:50] flappy (john@210.5.78.4) left ##slackware. [05:53] Oak (~silas@115.167.5.222) joined ##slackware. [05:53] Oak (~silas@115.167.5.222) left irc: Changing host [05:53] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [05:54] hi, I have two lan cards installed. eth0 is getting its IP form the WiMAX router device automatically / dhcp. Can eth1 get ip automatically also? [06:02] why not? [06:03] Action: toothkit doesn't see why not [06:04] This is my network: WiMAX Modem --> eth0 (Slackware 13.1 with ICS) eth1 --> hub --> rest of network [06:05] so you want to set eth1 statically i presume? [06:05] can't it get IP automatically also? [06:05] like eth0? [06:05] who would provide it with the ip? [06:06] the WiMAX device [06:06] can it do that? [06:06] why would the wimax give it an ip to a device on a different network [06:06] do you plan on bridge the networks? [06:06] something is very weird about your question/thoughts [06:07] that's because I don't understand networking .... [06:07] hence the weirdness of my questions [06:07] ok, understood. [06:07] Oak: how is the rest of your network configured? [06:07] linXea (~Slackytux@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:08] there is just one other pc i need to share internet with [06:08] so you have a slackware machine that uses eth0 (a wimax device) for internet and is connected to a local lan via eth1 (through a hub) yes? [06:08] Yes! [06:08] Yes mancha [06:08] and you want thew other maching on the hub to get to use the internet thoruhg the wimax on slackware's vox? [06:08] Yes ! [06:08] vox? [06:09] ok, first, set an ip for eth1 on /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [06:09] vox=box with a typo [06:09] will this ip be ok 192.168.15.100 Ok for eth1? [06:09] wait [06:09] sure but that is a crazy choice. how'd you decide on that? [06:10] Gateway is 192.168.15.1 and eth0 IP is 192.168.1.202 [06:10] ok, you went nuts again [06:10] ok, please guide me about the eth1 IP [06:11] should I pastebin ifconfig output? [06:11] you need more help than i have free time right now :( [06:11] sorry, someone else might help [06:11] ok thanks anyway... :) http://www.pastie.org/1198129 [06:12] oak: set eth1 to 192.168.0.1 [06:13] its IP to 192.168.0.1 ? ok [06:14] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:14] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) joined ##slackware. [06:14] ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up [06:14] done [06:16] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [06:17] asteroid (~asteroid@78.119.88.198) joined ##slackware. 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[06:21] you want different phyiscally networks to have different dhcp servers [06:21] phyiscally/phisical [06:21] phisical/physical [06:21] aah, got it, that makes sense [06:23] ok, so I set the IP for eth1 to 192.168.0.1 and change the IP-forwarding stuff to 192.168.0.1 and then on the other PC, what should I set as Gateway? 192.168.0.1 the correct choice? [06:24] ya [06:24] ip-forwarding stuff? [06:25] let me pastebin my rc.local for you to take a look... [06:25] BrokenCog (~daniel@pool-96-231-114-110.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:26] http://www.pastie.org/1198150 [06:28] looks right so far [06:28] ok. thanks toothkit very much. [06:32] Oak is that rc.local? [06:32] yes [06:32] something wrong it it ? :| [06:32] no, just that i usually put this stuff in rc.firewall [06:33] hmm [06:33] rc.firewall gets executed automatically if it exists and is +x [06:33] i see [06:33] and i believe that should be the right place to put firewall/forwarding rules [06:34] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [06:34] ok, that also makes sense [06:34] thank you zux1wrk [06:35] and i would also give the interface address in rc.inet1.conf [06:36] ok, that I should do right now... before I leave for college [06:36] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [06:36] you can off course do what you want with your box, but my experience thought me to stick to defaults as much as possible, to avoid confusion 4 years later after you have installed 6 more such boxes... [06:37] that's good advice [06:38] BrokenCog (~daniel@pool-71-191-5-134.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:38] should I leave USE_DHCP[1]="" as is is or should I put a "no" between the quotes? [06:38] of you could put them in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S99local or something :) [06:38] empty in my boxes... [06:38] of/or [06:39] but no should probably work too [06:39] to avoid confusion with most other distros [06:39] or something like that [06:39] ok cool [06:39] no confusion for me, i don't use other distros [06:41] no i take that statement back because one version of sysv style is totally broken and arbitrary S files won't work unless they are in a proprietary depenedcy file [06:41] thank you very much zux1wrk, toothkit :) [06:41] np oak [06:42] off to my class, will check the other pc when I get back... bye [06:42] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: take care... [06:49] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [06:59] grrr had +%M instead of +%m in my script couldnt figure out why it screwed up [07:00] and we have to guess it has to do with date! [07:00] :) [07:01] Raggs (~x@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:05] mancha: yah :) [07:05] :( Anyoen here have done LASIK? [07:05] the eyeball stuff?> [07:06] why the frown face, bad results? [07:06] Because I can't see with glasses now. [07:06] And need LASIK. [07:06] I think it's very deep. [07:06] LASIK I was told helps. [07:08] icore (~opera@217.8.238.158) joined ##slackware. [07:13] Woo.. I got a luxury room 'cause the cheap ones are sold out! [07:14] nvision (~nvision@g225050173.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:14] nvision (~nvision@g225050173.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Changing host [07:14] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [07:14] jacuzzi? minibar ? [07:15] minibar, no jacuzzi :) [07:16] icore (~opera@217.8.238.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:16] Zordrak: are you in .nl already ? [07:16] no.. Weds [07:21] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. 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[07:59] in /etc/rc.d/rc.S [07:59] Action: slackie hi there \o [08:00] zux1wrk depends on when you want the lag [08:01] though if you do an unclean shutdown (say a power outage) the shutdown cleansing would not happen [08:01] can't have an unclean bootup, otoh [08:01] yep [08:01] :) [08:01] I prefer shutdown as you can still get at /tmp after an unclean shutdown.. its only killed during clean shutdown [08:01] mancha: bah [08:01] also true [08:01] MrCoffee (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:01] if there is still something you want in there [08:09] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@host202-234-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@host202-234-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Changing host [08:09] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [08:10] kickback (~Unknown@122.176.133.218) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:10] usr13, also there is tmpwatch which tries to automate this [08:10] icore (~opera@217.8.238.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [08:27] tell me more about it... [08:32] alisonken1lap: have access to any machine with at least 16GB ram? you could try building go-oo in tmpfs :P [08:32] I do - but they seem to have a bunch of services already running on them ;) [08:33] I'm sure it won't disturb anyone :-) [08:33] (but avoid my machine :p ) [08:34] hah [08:34] bah, and going back to school =/ [08:34] one of our owners has a ceph test machine that's either 8 or 16 cores [08:36] I need to go to LA: you have too many screens, cores, memory... ;-) [08:39] hahah [08:41] Cores are like laptops. You can only use so many at once before your productivity curve starts to descend [08:45] stunix (1000@85.19.141.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:46] EthanG (~none@sourcemage/guru/eekee) joined ##slackware. [08:47] my modifier keys keep getting stuck on, and it only happens under linux/X. How the ***** ******* **** do I turn it off? [08:47] WhiteWolf1776 (~Blizzard@c-71-60-69-132.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:47] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:49] ph|ber (~cking@c-98-251-190-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-163-5-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:52] stunix (1000@85.19.141.16) joined ##slackware. [08:52] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.81) joined ##slackware. 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[09:19] Zordrak: my keyboard had no such problem under Mac OS X [09:20] it's the windows-worhiping zergs have got control of Linux GUI development, they put all the shit in [09:22] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:25] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] sorry to be late to the party ethang... whats going on with your keyboard? [09:29] WhiteWolf1776: no worries about the delay. it's StickyKeys, a hated feature of Windows that some genius got put into X. One of my programs has me using shift ctrl & alt a lot witht he mouse in the other hand, and sticky keys turns on with 5 taps of the left shift and then on any slight tap or long hold of any modifier key it holds that key on [09:30] evidently it got turned on with just normal program use... [09:30] sounds like your DE not X [09:30] gaurav__ (~gaurav@117.196.228.184) joined ##slackware. [09:30] mancha: WindowMaker? No :) [09:31] Ethan, okay so turn of X's accessibility [09:31] mancha: um, ya, how? D: [09:32] well, now you've said that I can search for it. didn't think [09:32] when i reboot my pc volume is muted automaticly [09:32] it shouldnt be on by default, i don't think. but -access should turn it off [09:32] ah cheers [09:32] or is it -accessx (i forget) [09:33] I know those sticky keys were put in to help the disabled... but I have never been able to understand how. [09:33] it's discrimination, favouring one disability over another, as it turns on with 5 taps to one key ;) [09:34] gaurav__, have you run alsa mixer? [09:34] i have to make on volume every time i login [09:34] gaurav__, alsamixer then 'alsctl store' [09:34] er [09:34] 5 taps of shift i think [09:34] gaurav__, alsamixer then 'alsactl store' [09:35] EthanG, you could always just run KDE and get a menu to turn off this stuff... you know, for everyone scared of the term ;) [09:35] mancha: yeah, and using a 3D art program was quite enough to make those 5 taps [09:35] WhiteWolf1776: yeah *sigh* XD [09:35] but it shouldn't be on by default... [09:35] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-92-136.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:35] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [09:36] mancha, true. [09:36] so i am confused... [09:37] mancha: the actual feature turns on when you tap left shift 5 times. You can tap left shift 5 times in normal use of some programs [09:37] yes but the fact that 5 shifts triggers it means accessbility is ON [09:38] for example, i can hit shift till hell freezes over and i don't get sticky keys [09:38] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [09:38] so you've done something or you run something that turns it on [09:39] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:39] gaurav__ (~gaurav@117.196.228.184) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:39] okay, that is odd because I haven't even touched xorg.conf. I seem to have got some nvidia util to generate an xorg.conf, I'd better look at that [09:39] grep access in xorg.congf [09:40] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [09:40] EthanG: which Slackware version? [09:41] macha: not found, and the keyboard InputDevice section is minimal [09:41] would someone be kind to paste for me the swap line from /etc/fstab? [09:41] sahko: 13.1 [09:41] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:42] /dev/sda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 [09:42] pupit: /dev/sda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 [09:42] ah so 1.7.7 [09:42] heh [09:42] thanks :) [09:42] and whats the priority number for them: swapon -s ? [09:43] Action: ScreamerX does not have a swap partition [09:43] bnguyen (~bnguyen@123.30.12.71) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:43] Ethan, ps x | grep X [09:43] Xserver(1) tells me it's an AccessX thing, and is keyboard-related. xorg.conf(5) doesn't mention AccessX at all, or accessibility [09:44] Xserver tells you or mancha tells you?!? :) [09:44] mancha: 1699 tty1 S+ 0:00 xinit /home/ethan/.xinitrc -- /usr/bin/X :0 -auth /home/ethan/.serverauth.1683 [09:44] xserver: mancha [09:44] or... eh [09:44] bnguyen (~bnguyen@123.30.12.71) joined ##slackware. [09:45] lol mancha :) you said accessibility and there was no such word in the man page. "access" is of course impossible to grep for in X man pages because of all the security features [09:45] Ethasnm, ok something is turning it on. like i said it is not on here. [09:45] bizzarre [09:46] I'm hoping there's an xorg.conf option but I guess I can figure out how to pass server options. maybe I'll make my own startx, I've done that before on a very broken pda [09:47] gaurav__ (~gaurav@117.196.228.184) joined ##slackware. [09:48] thanks dive alsactl store worked [09:48] I didn't use xinit & found I liked being able to kill the window manager without killing X ^^; [09:49] usually DEs and WMs set this [09:49] like i said initially that is who i blame in your case, unless you added the server args manually which based on your reactions to all this is unlikely [09:49] v3gard_ (~v3gard@v3gard.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:50] v3gard (~v3gard@v3gard.com) joined ##slackware. [09:50] I could ask the windowmaker folk, they do seem to be putting a bit more junk into their WM these days [09:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:50] indeed I didn't [09:52] TLMonitor (ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:53] my clock setting in notification area changed after rebooting [09:53] i want make permanent [09:54] I wonder if it's a gnome thing. I start `nvidia-settings -l` in .xinitrc, anyone know if libgobject libgmodule or libgio are part of gnome and/or liable to load gnome settings? [09:54] i am using xfce [09:54] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:55] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [09:55] that could be, i am unawarew of what nvidia does... [09:55] WLShafor (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] mmhmm. I doubt they'd turn it on intentionally, but I don't trust gnome not to :) [09:57] does anybody know if the slackbuild for mt-daapd works correct with itunes 10? [09:58] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:58] well what config file does nvidia-setting -l load? [09:59] look in there [09:59] mancha: it doesn't itself have any keyboard-related options, but like I said I don't trust gnome [09:59] cat ~/.nvidia-settings-rc [09:59] pics or it didn't happen [09:59] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:00] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:00] nofin, lol [10:00] Mowah (1000@c-d181e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:02] good luck. [10:03] flappy (~john@210.5.78.4) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Action: EthanG starts suspecting HAL [10:04] nah [10:04] i suspect your inability to form a coherent explanation of your setup [10:05] you mix WM with customized xinit's with gnome settings (?>) with mentions of glib2 libraries (??) with blaming HAL [10:05] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:05] sounds like you're very confused to me :) [10:05] well it obviously isn't anything sane that's enabling it [10:05] i don;'t know what that means. [10:06] why did you bring up gnome, have you added gnome to slackware? [10:06] no... oh of course slack doesn't have gnome libs. ok I can cross that one off then [10:06] LOL Monday Morning entertainment. [10:07] ... unless those libs I don't recognize are xfce libs XD [10:07] is ethang a known troll? [10:07] Kenjiro (~kvirc@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Slackware of course has gnome libs. they're even used by kde [10:08] mancha: I'm just pissed off with all this crazy in my OS, lol [10:08] thank you sahko [10:08] i didnt follow the discussion, i just read the last part [10:09] we noticed [10:09] is "accessibility" an X option? it thought that was all the DE (kde..) [10:09] flappy (~john@210.5.78.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:09] EthanG, the crazy, as you describe it was added by you. An virgin slackware, untainted by EthanG, does not do this. [10:10] so the next logical step in the debugging process is?...... [10:10] ....you guessed it. go through the things YOU changed [10:10] which you seem unwilling to share with me so it makes no sesne to continue to try to help. [10:10] mancha: That is friggin' awesome. [10:10] That's getting noobfarmed immediately. [10:11] admboom: "AccessX" is indeed mentioned briefly in Xserver(1), there is a server option to turn it on or off, it doesn't say which is the default and mancha thinks it's off for him so we're assuming it normally defaults to off. there is nothing in xorg.conf(5) or kbd(4) about it at all [10:12] mancha: you want my whole fucking xorg.conf (which was autogenerated and I've hardly fucking LOOKED AT before today and which now I find has NOTHING related to the issue) or what? [10:12] I HAVE FUCKING CHANGED NOTHING [10:13] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-26.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:13] there's nothing remotely out of the ordinary in my .xinitrc exept nvidia-settings -l, and a little desperation made me wonder about perverse gnome libraries [10:14] bnguyen (~bnguyen@123.30.12.71) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:14] haha [10:14] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [10:14] Hey guys... problem found, problem solved... maybe WM decided to be "accessible" or there's a ghost in the machine... ;) [10:15] well I can try changing WM [10:15] ok, quick online poll, how many of you get stciky keys after hitting shift 5 times? [10:15] I think "ghost" is likely as it's actually fairly hard to enable deliberately with the 5 taps [10:15] not I said the horse [10:16] nope, but i'm running kde [10:16] EthanG: Quick question. What's the problem you're trying to solve? [10:17] Action: admboom also tolerating KDE for today [10:17] Alan: Sticky keys [10:17] EthanG: Ah. So when you hit say, the Shift key five times, you get a pop-up about Sticky keys? [10:18] i am now 100% certain that sticky-keys OFF is default on X. [10:19] windowmaker does popups? [10:19] Alan: it gets enabled as I use a certain program, therafter said program becomes unusable as various modifier keys stay on as I tap or hold them and can't be turned off without the same kind of tap [10:19] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [10:19] sahko: no [10:20] mancha: I am going to murder the windowmaker folk if wm turns it on, because there's no way to turn it off [10:20] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [10:20] EthanG: it was a rhetorical question [10:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:20] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [10:21] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:21] EthanG, what program turns it on? or what was the program launched when the issue was noticed? [10:21] what's that quote fortune has about X? something like "If the X consortium designed cars there would be no less than 5 steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, but you'd be able to change gears with your radio. Useful feature, that." [10:22] admboom: Second Life [10:22] admboom: and good point bringing that up [10:22] Action: admboom thinks ldd on second life might be useful [10:22] is that a QT app? [10:22] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@93-45-22-12.ip100.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:22] I am curious, what flags do you guys use with rsync? [10:22] no it's a Gtk [10:23] rhisa: that depends on what you're using it for [10:23] it does try and access gnome and kde settings to register itself as a default for a url type [10:24] Action: EthanG pondahs [10:24] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [10:25] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [10:25] sahko, I'm just curious really. [10:26] flappy (~john@210.5.78.4) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [10:28] rhisa: i use rsync $1 --delete --delete-excluded -vzrlptD to sync Slackware [10:29] Dang, the -vzrlptD looks confusing. [10:29] Let me man that. [10:30] I use rsync -av --delete [10:30] Not sure if anyone has a better idea than that. [10:30] gio gmodule and gobject again, nothing I dont' recognize apart from those *goes to find out what those are [10:30] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:30] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] flappy (~john@210.5.78.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:31] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) joined ##slackware. [10:31] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) left irc: Changing host [10:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:31] those are only glib *sigh* [10:32] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:32] How would I know what is better, based on checksum or mod-time / size? [10:32] rhisa, i use rsync -av --stats --progress, and usually in screen or byobu [10:33] real men use screen or tmux [10:33] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.149) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Also if you have -a, why would anyone need to use -r? [10:33] rhisa: define 'better' [10:34] I would like to copy one hard drive to another. [10:34] Seems sufficient, with what I have now, rsync -av --delete. [10:34] timestamp/size is much faster, and usually is sufficient. md5sum checksums are slow, and used only in case where your data may be damaged by some media/transport problems [10:35] I understand now. Thank you. What about -a vs -r? [10:35] Action: ananke has used the checksum method maybe 5 times in the last decade, while timestamp method is used on a daily basis [10:35] -a includes -r [10:35] Hm. [10:35] Why would there be a need for -r then? [10:36] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:36] for the times when you don't need all the options included in -a [10:36] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:36] yeah i had -a but then changed it for said reason [10:36] -a == -rlptgoD [10:36] said what reason? [10:36] ananke, was that on the top of your head? :p [10:37] thrice`: heck no :) [10:37] ananke: no need for all -a options [10:37] aw, I was impressed at first :> [10:37] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:37] Action: ananke uses -avPSxh or sometimes -avPSxHh [10:37] Haha. [10:37] I was.. thinking the same as thrice`. [10:37] sahko: huh? [10:38] slacker6896 (~slacker68@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] sahko, -a is good. [10:38] ananke: [17:32] for the times when you don't need all the options included in -a [10:38] that said [10:38] I think it's safe to say -a is good for average home users like myself. [10:38] I use -axE --delete --ignore-errors, but that's just from someone else's backup script. I couldn't be bothered to wade through rsync's huge man page [10:39] -av suits me for pretty much everything [10:39] your home is average? [10:39] except -avn [10:39] sahko: i still fail to see what point you're trying to make [10:39] ananke: nevermind [10:40] cyb3r3li0g (~eguzman@c-174-56-25-89.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [10:40] what do you want rsync to do? mine's a nightly unattended backup to a permanently attached drive [10:40] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [10:40] Action: ananke uses rsync more than cp [10:40] interesting :) [10:41] I'd like to use it more.. I should probably take the backup script & put it in $PATH with $1 & $2 for args [10:42] er, for dirs [10:42] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [10:43] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:45] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.149) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:47] ananke: alienBOB's mirror current script says: # Use '-rlptD' instead of '-a' so that we don't preserve file ownership - # so that we can switch mirrors and still all files will be owned root:root. [10:47] i think thats why i removed -a or some similar reason [10:48] rafu (~rafu@90-227-120-47-no121.business.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:48] so i'll quote me again. it all depends on what you want to use it for [10:49] "most quotes are misattributed" --mancha [10:49] sahko: which has me confused, as to why would you be addressing me. [10:49] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:50] since i basically said the same exact thing: 10:31 ananke> -a includes -r 10:31 rhisa> Why would there be a need for -r then? 10:31 ananke> for the times when you don't need all the options included in -a [10:50] flappy (~john@210.5.78.4) joined ##slackware. [10:50] ananke: people do that to me all the time [10:51] toothkit, thanks for the help with setting up static IP and internet sharing... it is working [10:52] ananke: oh i see now. sorry my bad [10:52] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [10:54] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.149) joined ##slackware. [10:54] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:56] gaurav__ (~gaurav@117.196.228.184) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:56] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [10:58] mancha, lol :) [11:00] Onyxyte (~Onyxyte@r75-110-112-109.rmntcmtc02.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:01] I have a splinter in my foot. :( [11:01] And I can't get it ou. [11:01] ack :/ [11:02] Been in there for 3 weeks or so now. Still can't.. I give up. [11:02] Is there a wya to get rid of the lost+found folder? [11:02] yeah, dont use ext* [11:02] to solve both your issues, cut off your foot [11:03] o.o What?! [11:03] perhaps a little extreme =P [11:04] bofh mood =P [11:04] thats right... extreme!!! go extreme!!! ;) [11:04] I feel inferior right now, because everything I do, involves me getting on my knees. [11:04] And that is no good. [11:05] logia_th (~nmo@83.35.117.177) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:06] rhisa: yes, delete it as root. fsck can recreate it [11:06] awr, indeed [11:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-151-192.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-151-192.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:12] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [11:13] u (~u@78.147.23.223) joined ##slackware. [11:14] Nick change: u -> Guest38126 [11:14] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.149) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:14] hi, vnstat.conf says Interface "eth0". How can I monitor both eth0 and eth1? [11:17] Guest38126 (~u@78.147.23.223) left irc: Client Quit [11:18] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.61) joined ##slackware. [11:18] howdy [11:18] How can we make things on desktop transparent except icons. [11:18] ? [11:18] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:19] Argh, I'm still scared to upgrade my kernel. [11:19] Zordrak's guide isn't helping as easy as it is / looks. [11:19] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [11:20] you can try eth0+eth1 but that might only work as a command flag [11:20] it misses a lot, like the immense labyrinth of the drivers tree in menuconfig [11:21] http://humdi.net/vnstat/ shows a snapshot of "(with 2 interfaces)" how did they do it? [11:21] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-159-108.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:22] probably called vnstat with the flag i gave: vnstat -i eth0+eth1 [11:22] ok thanks [11:22] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.81) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:22] vnstat eth0+eth1 does not work [11:23] flappy (~john@210.5.78.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:23] the screenshot says: $ vnstat only [11:23] that means they did somethingin the config file [11:23] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:27] rhisa: ptchaw [11:31] Zordrak, what? D: [11:32] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [11:32] penguin (~penguin@adsl-99-149-198-84.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:32] i said vnstat -i eth0+eth1 i thought [11:33] oh yes that works... combines both [11:33] did i mispeak at first irdid you misread? [11:33] irdid=or did :> [11:33] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.72.215.94) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:34] ajmrch (~asarch@187.132.174.146) joined ##slackware. [11:34] slacker6896 (~slacker68@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:34] EthanG (none@sourcemage/guru/eekee) left ##slackware. [11:34] penguin (~penguin@adsl-99-149-198-84.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Cr1kk4 (alpha@93-45-22-12.ip100.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [11:37] asarch (~asarch@189.188.145.241) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:38] Someone translate what Zordrak said to me. D: [11:38] rhisa: it means "pleh!" [11:40] Oh. [11:40] ;-; [11:40] I've always seen it ai p-shaw or pshaw [11:40] ai=as [11:41] I just need to know that it's 100% error-proof as long as I follow the instruction word for word. But knowing my luck, you never know. [11:41] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] rhisa: ive done my best to make it so... but it can never be guaranteed [11:43] mancha, I misread :) sorry about that [11:43] I know. [11:43] If only I had a manly man near me... [11:44] Oak i don't have scrollbvack on this term so i wasn't sure... [11:44] ... [11:44] aah [11:44] hey mancha, rhisa [11:45] it's a little handheld that just has enough umph to let me see a screenfull [11:45] rhisa, what would you do to him? [11:46] Get my kernel upgraded of course! [11:46] indeed [11:46] Nick change: ajmrch -> asarch [11:49] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.254) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:51] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:51] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [11:52] Okay. I'll do it.. after I back up ~. [11:52] I'll do it. [11:52] Why do I not learn???? Why do I keep going to #Perl???? [11:52] do they flog you for being a n00b? [11:53] No, they 1 Argue with me about what I REALLY want to do. Then they give me wrong answers [11:53] sigh [11:53] Thanks mancha :) [11:54] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [11:54] WhiteWolf1776 (~Blizzard@c-71-60-69-132.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:54] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [11:54] arfon: To be fair... they spend their lives being inundated with people asking how to do stupid things and they aren't interested in helping people do anything other than the right thing. So if they think you're doing something the stupid way, they try to get you to do it a better way. [11:54] i.e. dont expect help with string eval [11:55] cat /var/log/vnstat.log [11:55] All I asked is "is there a module to encrypt/decrypt passwords to/from a text file". [11:55] arfon, what's your perl problem? >.> [11:55] Then one informed me that "There is NEVER a reason to decrypt." [11:56] riiiight [11:56] PasswdMD5 ? [11:56] Is that a PM ? [11:56] arfon, they probably think you're trying to write a password cracking utility [11:56] yes, Crypt::PasswdMD5 [11:56] I have a text file of e-mail accounts and passwords, I don't want clear text passwords... simple [11:56] and i wouldn't help you with that if that was your goal either [11:56] :/ [11:57] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:57] arfon, look at the Crypt::* series of modules tho [11:57] hah [11:57] TY Necos [11:58] I saw crypt() but, there's no decrypt() [11:58] $supersecretshizznitz = unix_md5_crypt($clearpw,$salt); [11:58] crypt() works like a champ! [11:58] you don [11:58] Action: arfon hugs mancha [11:58] um, you don't decrypt! [11:58] because you never really use a decrypt() [11:59] md5, as you well know *cough* is a hash [11:59] you encrypt another password and check that they match [11:59] If you don't decrypt, how do you get your script to use the passwords without you having to supply it everytime for comparison? [11:59] which means it is not reversible. what you do is compare the entered passwd hash to the stored hash [12:00] I'm trying not to have to enter a password everytime [12:00] okay if you want encrypt/decrypt just use any of teh Crypt:: ciphers [12:00] It's a script to check my POP accounts [12:01] Crypt::CBC should do [12:01] I love you guys [12:01] [12:02] Is there anything else I should look out for before upgrading kernel? [12:03] a good backup [12:03] Maybe a bootable usb stick ... [12:04] Slackware install DVD? :) [12:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] rhisa: Back up your whole system, then go nuts [12:04] if you trash it, revert [12:05] actually i take back the CBC suggestion, since you're not chaining that is overkill. [12:05] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:05] is there a better one mancha ? [12:05] i;d get a block cipher, say Crypt::Blowfish, thaty has two functions: encrypt and decrypt [12:05] I'm about to ROT13 it... :( [12:05] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-26.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:05] Onyxyte (~Onyxyte@r75-110-112-109.rmntcmtc02.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Perfect! [12:05] Zordrak, but... whole system? How? D: [12:06] clonezilla rhisa :) [12:06] Well actually. [12:06] I don't need to. So forget i asked. Everything is in ~ anyway. [12:07] (I just back up /home) [12:07] I like fresh installs everyso often [12:07] Hell, use slackpkg and make a template of your sys... then backup /home :) [12:08] Gah. [12:08] I'm just afraid. [12:08] But you SOULD be able to save the old kernel and modules and revert with a boot media if it goes horribly wrong... [12:08] now i am interested in what the #perl folks suggested [12:09] I just need to find someone to blame when all goes wrong. [12:09] lol rhisa [12:09] :}} [12:09] rhisa: Who's not here? [12:09] Mowah (1000@c-d181e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:09] Lessee... [12:10] mancha: I wish I had the log... [12:10] Blame dusty :) [12:10] He's always recompiling something and he's not here :) [12:10] arfon, also, if you implement this decrypt thing in perl it means it is just as easy to read the script and decrypt the file with the user/pass information [12:11] just as easy as cat'ing an unencryped file with user/pass pairs that is [12:11] mancha, I ran: vnstat -u -i eth1 and now I am getting results like the sreenshot... [12:11] Yeah mancha, I know but it's better then clear text [12:11] Oak, excellent. so you're all set? [12:11] yup... :) [12:11] the -u -i eth1 is to set up an initial database, iirc [12:12] aah, so it's done? I won't have to run that command again the next time I restart pc? [12:12] uva (~uva@111-240-213-24.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [12:12] mancha: more or less .. -u updates it the database, so if it doesn't exist, it should be created. [12:13] Mowah (1000@c-d181e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:13] the front-end from http://www.sqweek.com/sqweek/index.php?p=1 is also showing results from both interfaces :) [12:13] Oak: No, you shouldn't. Once the database is there it should be updated without problem. (Make sure you also have the right line in cron) [12:14] hmm, the right line in cron... will have to Google about it [12:14] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/vnstat/ <-- right line showns there. [12:14] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.72.215.94) joined ##slackware. [12:15] oh thanks [12:15] QUESTION: To save the old kernel and modules you back up /boot/bzImage SYSTEM.MAP and /lib/modules/ ? [12:15] BP{k}, I did chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.vnstat before... it is set that way [12:15] It's been awhile [12:15] and added the rc.local line [12:16] so, no need for cron thing? [12:16] BP{k} gotcha. and there's a daemon running collecting the stats, right? [12:16] yes [12:16] Oak: ah gotcha, that should work ... you need either rc.vnstat, or cron .. I am still used to running vnstat from cron . :) [12:16] Time to concentrate and try. [12:16] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [12:16] ok great. this is cool stuff [12:16] arfon: do yourself a favour and backup ALL of /boot by tarring it [12:16] arfon: tar -cvzf /root/boot-backup.tar.gz /boot [12:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.72.215.94) left irc: Client Quit [12:17] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) joined ##slackware. [12:17] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) left irc: Changing host [12:17] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:17] thank you very much BP{k} and mancha [12:17] Did you see what Zordrak wrote, rhisa? [12:17] cool :) [12:17] Oak: no probs :) enjoy :) [12:17] :) [12:18] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Guess she left [12:18] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:19] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:21] until you -u it, where's the daemon keeping stuff, in mem? [12:22] has anyone been so nervous of a downtime that you've actually sweat into your butt crack [12:23] I don't know... now it shows correct stats .. it must have been keeping them somewhere... this location seems interesting though: /var/lib/vnstat [12:23] yes, that's the db, but it is not written to continuously [12:24] or rather the db's are /var/lib/vnstan/$IFACE [12:24] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [12:24] don't thing so... I should read the config file and /etc/rc.d/rc.vnstat and man page closely [12:24] i think you just need to specify a reasonable interval in your conf if you don't want to -u all the time [12:24] he traffic information is analyzed from the proc(5) and sys filesystems depending on availability [12:25] I let it update every 5 minutes, which works purdy well [12:25] i.e SaveInterval 5 [12:25] and you can force a quick save with -u if you want to make sure you have the latest before a viewing [12:25] BP{k}, in my set-up, with what interval will the DB be updated? any idea? [12:26] no cron in my set-up [12:26] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [12:26] look for SaveInterval in your /etc/vnstat.conf [12:26] ok [12:26] it's 5 mancha :) [12:27] Oak: you use dialup right? I still probably would use about 5 minutes. You might however also want to set the OfflineSaveInterval [12:27] cool [12:27] I use a WiMAX device [12:27] OfflineSaveInterval 30 [12:28] bogusjokes (~Doomdude@78-82-255-117.tn.glocalnet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] now I can drink tea and listen to music hehe [12:29] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-228-44-176.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Oak, hm interesting. Still should work. I use vnstat with my ISP .. although I still had to write a wrapper around vnstat to deal with the actually retarded way my ISP monitors the data (from 9AM-9AM. [12:31] jeev: if not, your not doing your job right [12:32] phrag, YOU'RE not doing the job right! [12:32] Axius (~fd@92.82.89.109) joined ##slackware. [12:32] i still don't have my pringles! [12:32] fuzzbawl: I eatened them [12:32] it's a nifty little stats collector, innit [12:32] init ? [12:32] BP{k}, but......they were mine :( [12:32] i have to go to ikea =/ [12:33] fuzzbawl: they had flavour. [12:33] phrag, meatballs [12:33] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [12:33] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [12:33] phrag, there was a waterfall to my crack [12:33] desks and chairs and crap [12:33] delightfull [12:33] Hey. [12:33] I just realized. [12:33] BP{k}, I had the "I has a flavor!" as my forums avatar for quite some time [12:33] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [12:33] fuzzbawl: hehe nice :D [12:33] s0d0 (~bggr@host81-141-48-26.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:33] rhisa: this isn't #apple ? [12:33] stupid datacenter, i had to take other measures, which means to bring up a new slack box on another coast that can handle 2000mbit :D [12:33] Zordrak, are you there? [12:34] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ Do you have an upgrading guide? [12:34] brb, swapping my graphics cards [12:34] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-228-44-176.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:36] Gah. [12:36] O [12:36] I'll download the latest stable, then I'll extract it to /usr/linux-(version here), then... what? [12:37] pray [12:37] >:( No. [12:37] I'm not experimenting. I need a guide. [12:38] prayer is good if you're in to that kinda stuff... [12:39] Gaah Zordrak just needs to update his guide to include upgrading. [12:42] WhiteWolf1776 (~Blizzard@c-71-60-69-132.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] cyb3r3li0g (~eguzman@c-174-56-25-89.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:43] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding <--- you mean like this rhisa? [12:44] Shouldn't that be /usr/src/linux? [12:46] Hm.. I'm a tad bit confused. [12:46] Now it seems like, what upgrading means is compiling a new kernel and just not using the old kernel. [12:46] That's upgrading? [12:46] updating sometimes includes installing a new kernel [12:47] you mentioned upgrading your kernel earlier [12:47] In my case, I want to use the latest kernel. So I just.. download the latest stable and follow that link. Seems simple enough. [12:47] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:47] LinucksGeek (~johan@94-23-121-23.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:48] yeah, if you want to use the latest and greatest, you can use that guide (but of course, get the current kernel source) [12:48] Axius (~fd@92.82.89.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:48] correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't it be: mv /usr/src/kernel /usr/src/kernel-old; tar -xvf new-kernel.tgz /usr/src; ln -s /usr/src/new-kernel /usr/src/kernel? [12:49] i should post a kernel howto, i'll call it colonel sanders [12:49] lol [12:49] HHHmmmm, fried chicken [12:49] LinucksGeek (~johan@94-23-121-23.kimsufi.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [12:49] LinucksGeek (~johan@94-23-121-23.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:49] with an x-large order of cole slaw [12:50] arfon, if you link a la, ln -s kernel-blah linux, then all you have to do is rm linux and then ln -s kernel-newsource linux [12:50] Could you plase super-size my modules? [12:51] ls /usr/src/linux a sym-link now? [12:51] would you like to supersize your ALSA for an extra 30 bogomip-minutes? [12:51] Pfft, she could just blow the current source and re-install from the package if she wanted to later [12:51] yes [12:52] LinucksGeek (~johan@94-23-121-23.kimsufi.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:52] LinucksGeek (~johan@94-23-121-23.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:53] yes to /usr/src/linux=sym-link? [12:53] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:53] yes [12:54] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [12:54] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) left irc: Changing host [12:54] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [12:54] That.. most of that flew over my head. [12:54] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2010-09-13 11:36 linux -> linux-2.6.33.4 [12:54] Ah, that makes it easier... [12:54] linXea (~Slackytux@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:54] linXea (~Slackytux@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [12:54] linXea (~Slackytux@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [12:54] <--didn't install kernel source on this machine [12:55] you fail :P [12:56] Okay so I am going to do it now. tar -C /usr/src -jxvf linux-2.6.35.7.tar.bz2 [12:56] yeah [12:56] Now I need the config. Where at? :| [12:56] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [12:56] sooo, to build a new colonel, with a current colonel, should it be: ln -s uncompressed_new_source /usr/src/linux; make menuconfig; make; make modules, make install, make install_modules? [12:57] Haha. [12:57] rhisa: make menuconfig [12:57] <3 That's so cute. [12:57] DON'T FORGET to LILO at the very end [12:57] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/ [12:57] Ya or it's useless. [12:57] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [12:57] <-- has forgotten to lilo many times [12:57] (I get excite easily) [12:57] ;p [12:58] the day 2.6.35.7 was released, I had just compiled 2.6.35.6 [12:58] Bleeding edge give me the runs [12:58] does anybody know how can i make text animations in linux and then render that to video? [12:59] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [12:59] rhisa, you should probably get the kernel-generic-smp config [12:59] Action: arfon doesn't even know what a text animation is... [12:59] Gah I just want Zordrak to write a guide. I'll even.. pay him. [12:59] arfon, scrolling marquee or something. [12:59] paint + gif = annoying [13:00] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [13:00] rhisa: seen http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding too? its similar to Zordrak's [13:01] btw, it is make modules_install [13:01] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [13:01] not install_modules :O [13:01] :p* [13:01] That made no sense... In my head, it did. Sometimes I jump a few thoughts then type [13:01] and you don't need "make modules" [13:01] nvision (~nvision@e179138036.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:01] nvision (~nvision@e179138036.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Changing host [13:01] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Hm... [13:01] I dunno who wrote that though. [13:01] tsccof: It's been years :( [13:02] tar -xzf linux-2.6.35.7 -C /usr/src && cd /usr/src && ln -s linux-2.6.35.7 linux && cd linux && make menuconfig && make -j3 && make modules_install [13:02] rhisa: alienBOB wrote it [13:02] the modules will be installed to /lib/modules [13:02] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Oh. [13:02] alienBOB did, and it's a good guide :) [13:02] Oh well, kiddos, time for lunch, I'm going quiet [13:03] (no applause) [13:03] the compiled linux kernel will be in /usr/src/linux-2.6.35.7/arch/x86 (if that's your CPU's architecture), and it will be named bzImage [13:03] Action: Necos applauds [13:03] Okay then, for "X and su" I'll just skip that and exit. I'll go login as root and start at "Downloading and configuring" as root, no? [13:03] yeah [13:03] :| So what's the catch? [13:03] Thanks Necos :) [13:03] i gotta go to another campus, so i'll be back on when i get there [13:03] there is none [13:04] oops, the kernel will be in /usr/src/linux-2.6.35.7/arch/x86/boot :p [13:04] Fine. [13:04] cp, lilo, blah blah [13:04] I'll follow that guide then, brb. [13:04] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [13:05] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-228-44-176.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] zaltekk (~zaltekk@92.241.190.61) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:08] zaltekk (~zaltekk@92.241.190.61) joined ##slackware. [13:09] theseb (~theseb@adsl-99-136-69-9.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] any home broadband options have 5Mbit/sec in both directions? e.g. anyone have home fiber optic? [13:12] Nick change: Natenom- -> Natenom [13:12] Natenom (~Natenom@natenom.name) left irc: Changing host [13:12] Natenom (~Natenom@unaffiliated/natenom) joined ##slackware. [13:12] theseb: yes, 60 Mbit down, 6 Mbit up here [13:13] business dsl connections are often symmetric [13:13] zaltekk (~zaltekk@92.241.190.61) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:13] surrounder: holy smokes...what kind of broadband do you have? [13:14] spook: can a home get a "business dsl"? [13:14] theseb: it's mostly a marketing. costs a bunch. [13:14] FiOS can get those speeds [13:14] theoretically [13:14] spook: what is a bunch? $100/mo? $1000/mo (gasp) [13:15] theseb: http://www.telefonievergelijker.nl/product_fiber_power_60_257.htm - that one [13:16] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [13:16] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Okay which config do I use again? :| [13:16] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [13:17] I am currently trying to compile 2.6.35.7 but in 13.1 I only see config for 2.6.33.4. [13:17] should ones terminal settings go inside .Xresources or .Xdefaults ? [13:17] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:17] dustybin, looks like inside resources. [13:17] aye ok [13:18] But I could be wrong. Disclaimer. [13:18] Anyway anyone know what config I should be using? :[ [13:18] rhisa, http://kernel-seeds.org/ http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ [13:19] bitlord, hm do you have context? I mean I'm following alienBOB's guide, just trying to figure out which config to grab from. [13:20] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [13:20] rhisa, you want to build new kernel for you? [13:20] I'm following - http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding so I guess I need to build a new kernel. [13:21] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-228-44-176.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:21] Hm or I could just use the alternative method... [13:21] hmm, I find manual kernel configuration to be a breeze [13:21] rhisa: you could try setting it up yourself [13:21] rhisa: no previously set configuration file, start from scratch [13:21] rhisa: what do you say? [13:21] Okay - "zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config" it is. [13:21] tsccof, nah, no confidence yet. [13:22] rhisa, it's hard to upgrade kernel .config from 2.6.33.4 to 2.6.35.7 [13:22] Hm. [13:22] you can try [13:22] Using alternative won't work? [13:22] No no, no try if you mean doomed to failure. [13:23] What should I do in this step then? [13:23] rhisa: you could try using genkernel [13:24] rhisa: it is a common tool for gentoo newcomers [13:24] lol [13:24] ah, not sure whether it will work with a vanilla kernel [13:24] I am very uncomfortable using another flavor's tool for Slackware. [13:24] rhisa, you read http://kernel-seeds.org/ ? [13:25] bitlord, ya, skimmed, looks very complicated. I'm reading - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genkernel [13:25] Hm, fine, genkernel seems.. okay. [13:26] But seriously.. [13:26] m3tti (~m3tti@p4FC57612.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] hi there i was trying to make a usb stick with slackware on it but it refused to work the error is trap: 37: ERR: bad trap [13:27] any suggestions [13:28] sounds like you're not on slackware? [13:28] not right now [13:28] debian / ubuntu ? [13:28] rafu (~rafu@90-227-120-47-no121.business.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:28] ubuntu its a friends laptop [13:28] /bin/sh is probably set to /bin/dash. run it with /bin/bash directly perhaps [13:28] Alright. bitlord could you tell me what's wrong with using the alternative? [13:29] great thrice` thanx [13:29] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [13:31] rhisa, what alternative? [13:31] zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config [13:31] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc2-live19-0-0-cust583.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] thrice`: now another fail something like rmdir wrong operand [13:31] rhisa, you cannot directly put .config from 2.6.33.4 to 2.6.35.7 that is wrong [13:31] Hm. [13:32] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Oh I see now. The guide is using the same kernel that he wget. [13:32] rhisa, you can try do make oldconfig but, if you don't know how to build new config that will be hard for you [13:32] m3tti, sorry, not sure there (that's quite vague) [13:32] running as root ? [13:33] bitlord, alright, can you repeat what I should do again then? [13:33] jeah one moment i think i could fix that [13:33] asarch (~asarch@187.132.174.146) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:33] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-228-44-176.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:39] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [13:39] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [13:39] 18:31 < bitlord> rhisa, I think you can build new kernel config, use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and get modules you need for your hardware, add support for filesystem and I think that's it, you kernel will work. Maybe you need some additional modules but not necessary for boot [13:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:40] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:40] dustybin, thank you. [13:40] thank bitlord not me [13:40] bitlord, I just used that link. I got a lot of "yes" and blanks. [13:41] now i've to wait -.- [13:41] --- Copying Slackware package tree to the USB drive... [13:41] rhisa, that's ok [13:43] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [13:43] what's this debian crap? >.> [13:43] Necos, do you know what to do to get the config for the latest kernel? [13:43] Necos, it's not crap [13:44] rhisa, didn't i tell you that earlier? [13:44] rhisa, here is my config (I know it's not ideal but it's working for me) http://pastebin.com/HkmaRJBG [13:44] Necos, can you please repeat? [13:44] bitlord, I wanna learn! [13:44] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/ [13:45] Necos, that's not good. [13:45] what do you mean "not good"? [13:45] Can't use the latest stable 2.6.35.7 with 2.6.33. [13:45] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/config-generic-smp-2.6.33.4-smp <--- this is for the latest slack config (2.6.33.4) [13:46] No no no. I am building 2.6.35. [13:46] why can't you? all outdated config options will be disabled [13:46] Hm, bitlord seems to disagree. [13:46] and i'd argue that he's wrong [13:46] I get scared when there are contradicting thoughts. [13:46] :) [13:47] why are you downloading the latest kernel? let's start with that question [13:47] Well.. you say it's okay to, he say it's not okay to.. alienBOB, what do you say?! [13:47] Necos, lots of reasons. To learn, to make certain games work, etc. [13:48] because you could just slackpkg upgrade the kernel and avoid the unneccessary kernel configuration lol [13:48] maletaski (~sasa@unaffiliated/maletaski) joined ##slackware. [13:49] maletaski (sasa@unaffiliated/maletaski) left ##slackware ("i`m gone"). [13:49] Waitaminute.. [13:50] How do you start Apache web server? [13:50] but that'll upgrade it to 2.6.33.4 only [13:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [13:50] it's /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd start asarch [13:50] httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName [13:50] Heh, do I uncomment all of the lines starting with kernel? [13:51] then you haven't configured apache yet [13:51] Gah I'll uncomment. Scary... [13:51] D'oh! [13:51] I though it was like OpenBSD httpd [13:52] Necos, I ask because of - "# Automated upgrade of kernel packages aren't a good idea " [13:52] oh, in the slackpkg config? [13:53] Yep. [13:53] The blacklist. [13:54] logia_th (~nmo@83.35.117.177) joined ##slackware. [13:54] btw, those lines are commented because automatic upgrades of kernel packages are NOT disabled :) [13:54] I know.. [13:54] i.e., kernel upgrades are allowed unless you uncomment those lines [13:55] Which means I have the latest kernel confirmed but I want one even later. [13:55] I am told that WoW would work with the latest. [13:55] As well as other fun goodies. [13:56] surrounder: yo [13:56] Zordrak: heya [13:57] pm? [13:57] sure [13:57] and for that, you'd have to compile your own rhisa... which would bring us back to square one >.> [13:57] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.48.84.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:57] Hm. [13:57] Ah well. [13:58] I'm running on low sleep as well. Not the best time to compile anything. [13:58] indeed [13:58] it's ok, it's the computer doing the job =) [13:59] don't trust adrien, he's crazy [13:59] lol [14:01] rhisa, if you want WoW, you really need to chat with KaMii before yu recompile. [14:01] arfon, how come? [14:01] She's has it working and she says that there are kernel patches [14:02] Yea I heard about that need for kernel patches. I just wonder how difficult it is to implement said patches. [14:02] KaMii has done it so..... :) [14:02] depends on how the patches were written [14:02] (JK K) [14:02] lol [14:03] jga (~gajon@201.103.221.148) joined ##slackware. [14:03] I'm not! ='( [14:04] someone is lsow [14:04] slow even [14:04] alienBOB: ping [14:05] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:06] arfon: someone is reading news and other channels [14:06] How do you /quit with a message on the fly in IRSSI? /quit "I like cheese"? [14:06] I wish I could read. [14:07] I think so [14:07] let me try [14:08] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.61) left irc: Quit: "I Like Cheezeburgers" [14:08] m3tti (~m3tti@p4FC57612.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:08] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.61) joined ##slackware. [14:08] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [14:08] Did it work? [14:08] arfon left the room (quit: Quit: "I Like Cheezeburgers"). [14:08] Nice! [14:08] i got links working in urxvt :D [14:08] I got firefox [14:09] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:09] I got lynx working [14:09] i mean links what show up in the terminal [14:10] if you type a link, i click and it loads in firefox [14:10] i use the i3 wm [14:10] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [14:10] Nice [14:11] tsccof1 (~tsccof@187.5.234.8) joined ##slackware. [14:12] What's the command Dusty? [14:12] I tinking to install S. in one old pc, intel celeron, motherboard Lucky Star, year 98 99 I think, is correct install the latest version of S. any suggestion? [14:13] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-159-108.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:13] "terminal -H -e links www.google.com" ? [14:13] http://znx.no/2008/10/click-urls-in-urxvt/ [14:14] Use the genericl kernel logia_th ? [14:14] GuardabosqueS (1000@87.111.124.131) joined ##slackware. [14:14] How I test if exist drivers for it? [14:15] good evening slack community [14:15] mootpuppet (~mootpuppe@infectedtech.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:15] meatpuppet (~meatpuppe@infectedtech.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:15] good hyperName [14:16] Hi GuardabosqueS [14:16] That's pretty slci dustybin \ [14:16] arfon, :) [14:16] slick even [14:19] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.200.127.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:19] too much jumpers and switches.... Making the box.... [14:21] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:21] Action: Necos stabs arfon [14:21] :) [14:21] Upgrade the mobo... $40 from newegg [14:21] :) [14:21] penguin (~penguin@adsl-99-149-198-84.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:21] Action: arfon bleeds [14:22] ..all over Necos [14:22] Action: Necos laughs [14:22] you're still gonna die :D [14:22] Someday... But, I'm procrastinating [14:23] oh no, let me help ya out there [14:23] Thanks but, I have enough ppl on THAT list [14:23] Wouldn't you rather be on the Arfon's Benefactors list? [14:23] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [14:24] <---has a Paypal account for donations [14:24] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [14:24] not nearly as fun [14:25] For me it is... [14:25] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:25] yeah, but your happiness is unimportant [14:25] I am in Curses::UI hell [14:26] Action: arfon misses the old PRINT @ (x,Y) "bndnsbs" [14:26] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:26] later folks, stay cool [14:26] Bye tsccof1 [14:27] tsccof1 (~tsccof@187.5.234.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:28] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] how is it possible to control chassis fan rotation speed on Slackware? [14:32] I connect mine to the 5V rail [14:32] .but that probably didn't answer your question. [14:33] heyy GuardabosqueS arfon can you smell the trail? [14:33] arfon, true, will lm-sensors to the trick? [14:33] I smell something but, it's no trail. [14:33] <--doesn't know [14:33] <--hates case fans [14:34] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: take care... [14:35] logia_th, sorry, I'm spanish, and my english is very bad, i dop't understand you [14:36] I don't [14:36] * [14:36] gtludwig: look at man fancontrol [14:36] arfon, thanks ! [14:37] logia_th, ?? [14:38] I thin you undertand, in pure spanish sense... ;-) [14:38] I think you understand, in pure spanish sense... ;-) [14:41] ly8 (~open@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] logia_th, sorry, I don't know every words [14:44] logia_th, se puede oler el rastro? [14:45] logia_th, what trail? [14:45] ly8 (open@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:45] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.96.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Action: dustybin start studying the LPI certification [14:50] mootpuppet (~mootpuppe@infectedtech.org) joined ##slackware. [14:50] meatpuppet (~meatpuppe@infectedtech.org) joined ##slackware. [14:52] toothkit (~betch2k@66.87.1.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:53] josemanuel (~josemanue@4.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [14:55] ppnco (~pekka@85-156-82-212.elisa-mobile.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:56] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:57] The new Blender open source movie "Sintel" is beautiful: http://www.sintel.org/ [14:58] alienBOB, i saw that over the weekend... damn mindblowing [15:00] the tools available now are damn impressive to say the least... they just needed better writing [15:00] same here... lead me to the big buck bunny movie also by blender... i resemble the rabbit ;) [15:03] toothkit (~betch2k@66.87.1.83) joined ##slackware. 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[15:15] Action: GuardabosqueS nas en isix [15:16] jhw (~jhw@p5DE8BFC0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:19] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:22] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-15-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-15-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Changing host [15:22] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [15:23] alienBOB: it is! watched it last night :) [15:24] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:25] samfisher (~unaffilia@unaffiliated/samfisher) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Hi guys [15:26] I'm in the need of connecting by ssh and X11 forwarding to a win machine the Pidgin Im client. I do not trust the webadmin and I'm affraid of being snooped, since I store the key on a usb drive. My solution was to make a vbox machine only for that and connect to it. [15:26] do you have other suggestions? 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[15:41] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:42] JINX [15:42] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:43] Necos, I THINK he's trying to run idgin on a linux box and use an X session (on a windows box) to use it. [15:43] samfisher: TightVNC [15:44] arfon: no, remote control is not the answer [15:44] why use pidgin when you can just ssh in and use finch [15:44] which is what i do lol [15:45] i just want to connect to my box, but if someone steals my key and finds my pass, all he could do is run pidgin or somethhing [15:45] inot being able to access my files or etc [15:46] like a limited ssh [15:46] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:47] VNC is encrypted [15:47] No it is not arfon [15:47] Kenjiro: ? [15:48] that's gonna require quite a bit of configuration samfisher [15:48] alienBOB: PVT? [15:48] Then why does it ask if you want to use encryption>? [15:48] CHROOT JAIL ?!?! [15:48] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:49] arfon, it's pretty crappy, from what i've heard [15:49] more like encoding [15:49] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.200.127.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:49] i'd stay away from vnc [15:50] Eaiser than reinventing the wheel for me [15:51] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-27-68.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:51] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:57] arfon: the "encoding" scheme is the bitmap encoding scheme, determining compression versus quality ratio [15:57] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [15:57] If you want to encrypt VNC sessions it is easy, just tunnel your connection through ssh [15:59] foobarz (1000@125.25.151.35.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] foobarz (1000@125.25.151.35.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: Changing host [15:59] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [16:01] logia_th (~nmo@83.35.117.177) joined ##slackware. [16:02] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:02] Okay, accorrding to TightVNC's website, passwords are encrypted, the rest is raw [16:03] so you're right [16:05] Even passwords are only hashed, not encrypted, they can be calculated quite easily when sniffing a vlc session [16:06] luiz (~luiz@unaffiliated/arcticc0) left irc: Quit: Saindo [16:07] plaap (~plaap@188-220-20-192.zone11.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Okay, so use vnc and tunnel through ssh: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/06/12/use-vnc-encrypt-it-via-ssh [16:08] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:10] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [16:11] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [16:17] plaap (~plaap@188-220-20-192.zone11.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:18] LinucksGeek (~johan@c83-251-92-199.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [16:18] arfon: good. I do that every day [16:18] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.198.254.189) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:20] Why don't you run X11 connections? [16:20] asarch (~asarch@189.188.145.241) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum. [16:21] rafu (~rafu@90-227-120-47-no121.business.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:23] LinucksGeek (~johan@c83-251-92-199.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Client Quit [16:23] Alan_Hicks, do you have the dahdi-tools and driver slackbuilds available? they are not in slackbuids.org but i want to compile them. Im not sure if you have but the asterisk sbo is up to you there [16:24] Mister Hicks is living in the past with his Asterisk build. [16:24] guax: I don't really have any of that hardware anymore to test, so i haven't been updating those for newer versions. [16:25] You're welcome to take it over if you like. [16:26] i could by i rarely have digium hardware to test, we use local card maker and now i need to test with sangoma hw [16:26] but if you send me i can mantain as long is have the conditions to test it [16:27] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [16:27] wescotte (1000@east-quad-234-12.prowlnet.uwm.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:29] does slackware come with a decent vnc viewer? [16:32] erik == Erik Hanson? [16:32] kvnc [16:32] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:33] i did a full slack install and dont have kvnc [16:33] Alan_Hicks, [16:34] x11vnc was my favourite but cannot locate it [16:34] guax: Just grab the latest version from SBo. it's probably under 13.0. [16:34] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [16:35] yep [16:35] s4lv4d0r (~s4lv4d0r@201.210.190.118) joined ##slackware. [16:36] i cannot get gvncviewer to work within i3 [16:39] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-88-153-4-249.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [16:41] hiptobecubic (~john@a75089.upc-a.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:41] hiptobecubic (~john@a75089.upc-a.chello.nl) left irc: Changing host [16:41] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [16:41] |Slacker| (~cris@187.46.62.63) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [16:44] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:45] Srbo (Srbo@ip-88-153-4-249.unitymediagroup.de) left ##slackware ("Verlassend"). [16:45] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-88-153-4-249.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [16:47] WhiteWolf1776 (~Blizzard@c-71-60-69-132.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [16:50] If I ssh into a Slackware 13. server of mine and create a file, the umask of the server is honored (0644). If I login and create the file as the same user using sftp and Konqueror/Dolphin, the file is created 0600. How on earth can I fix that little annoyance? [16:51] 13.1 server. Not just 13. [16:51] Action: ThomasLocke smiles [16:51] Kenjiro (kvirc@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left ##slackware ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"). [16:51] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-211-219.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:52] depends on the umask of the running process. [16:52] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-211-219.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:53] When did kvnc go away? [16:53] rob0, Hmm, so I have to figure out how to set the umask of the sftp server? [16:53] ThomasLocke: This is almost certainly a problem with Dolphin. Sorry, but I can't really help you with that. [16:54] It also happens with Konqueror and with sftp bookmarks in Kate. [16:54] rob0: i cannot find a vnc viewer anywhere [16:54] umask is not a "server" setting, it is a shell builtin [16:54] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [16:54] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-205-165.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-205-165.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] rob0, I know.. The umask of the user on the server is 0022. [16:55] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-88-153-4-249.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:55] dustybin, I do remember using KDE's VNC viewer in the past, but I don't see it now. [16:55] It's also 0022 for root. [16:55] but those scripts which set umask are not always sourced. [16:56] Such as for a non-login shell. [16:59] jga (~gajon@201.103.221.148) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:00] ThomasLocke (ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:01] zaltekk (~zaltekk@92.241.190.61) joined ##slackware. [17:04] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:05] rob0, try krdc [17:05] i think thats the new version with slack [17:06] vnc and more [17:06] rizitis (rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:06] s0d0 (~bggr@host81-141-48-26.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.96.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:09] krdc works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [17:09] thanks :D [17:11] np [17:12] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:13] jga (~gajon@189.253.66.20) joined ##slackware. [17:15] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:17] cool command of the night: pstree -p [17:17] is that cool or is that cool? [17:17] pstree -p [17:18] pretty neat [17:18] |-arfon(1832)-+-{rootkt}(1833) [17:18] thats a strange process.. [17:19] I go away for a worthless meeting and you guys start chatting about VNC.... [17:19] Damn, I've been found out [17:19] :P [17:19] dustybin: Close your eyes and let me cover my tracks. [17:19] - - [17:20] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.209.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] clear [17:20] Torrentow (~Torrentow@apn-77-115-64-254.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:20] tr /arfon/dustybin/ /var/log/messages [17:20] clear [17:20] O O [17:20] [whistles] [17:22] krdc, I thought that was the server, but no, that is krfb [17:22] vastina (jaird@173.227.163.242) left irc: Quit: brb [17:22] how do i tell slackware that i changed my cmos clock to utc? [17:22] makes sense when you think about what they stand for [17:23] zaltekk: timeconfig [17:23] rob0: thanks [17:27] Okay, I've asked this before but, this time, I really mean it... What is the preferred POP and IMAP daemon for Slackware? [17:27] arfon: Whatever you like best. I prefer dovecot. [17:28] Why dovecot? [17:28] dovecot is ideal for smaller networks [17:28] google :-) [17:28] Courier is too much? [17:28] dustybin: Define "smaller". [17:28] courier-imap is ideal for larger networks [17:28] erm.. home? [17:28] Action: alienBOB uses cyrus-imapd [17:28] ... at home [17:29] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!root@* expired. [17:29] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:29] actually i meant cyrus [17:29] WHy Cyrus alienBOB ? [17:29] Because I like the control it gives me [17:29] What about for POP? [17:30] using POP is a bit like using Telnet [17:30] faustphor (~enter@host-24-100-49-165.newwavecomm.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Plus, it works well on my small lan, and I also deployed it for a 300 user population with 100GB of mailstore and ens of thousands emails per day incoming [17:30] I never find a reason to want to enable pop3 [17:31] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.209.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:31] How much space do you allocate for Joe Schmuckatelli's mail? [17:31] samfisher (~unaffilia@unaffiliated/samfisher) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:32] typically? [17:32] I don't allocate anything [17:33] You let 300 users run wild on your mail server retaining 50 copies of the same chain letter? [17:34] I used spam filtering to weed out that kind of mail :-) [17:34] :) [17:34] But other than that, I limited the users to a maximum mail tier yes [17:34] Have you had a mail=hoarder problem yet? [17:34] 500MB was the default, some users needed 4GB [17:34] mail hoarder? [17:35] say 2k per letter you have 300*50*2048=30720000 or 29 megs [17:35] People who still have copies of Hampster Dance e-mails from 1999... [17:36] Oh my boss/co-workers all hit the 2-G outlook auto-corrupt feature. [17:36] When people have a mailbox limit, they'll prune their old emails for sure [17:36] arfon: Outlook users were not supported :-) [17:36] Nice! [17:36] Mowah (1000@c-d181e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:36] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-88-153-4-249.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [17:37] Soooo, how do I get arfon@alienBOB.org? [17:37] :) [17:37] i recall a mail admin who enforced mail limits, you had to "archive' your old mails to the file server, which was the same machine (ie same drive). [17:37] arfon: build me a flying saucer [17:37] mancha: hahaha [17:37] That was a government agency mancha ? [17:38] alienBOB: You like saucer-shaped ballons, right? [17:38] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [17:39] :> [17:39] We can let it go, say you were on it and get you on TV... [17:41] asarch (~asarch@189.188.145.241) joined ##slackware. [17:42] arfon: Ha. I want mufon@alienob.org myself. [17:42] Alan_Hicks: I think alienob.org is open! [17:43] Alien nob? [17:43] HA HA!!!! [17:43] s/ob/bob/ [17:43] He did want mufon.... [17:43] Mutual UFO Network damn you! [17:44] :) [17:44] This does give my great ideas though... [17:44] Oh Lord [17:44] alienobgyn.com [17:44] muffon@aliensknob.org? [17:44] Wow... [17:44] That one is sweet in a sick kinda way [17:45] I can see the site now. Front page has a picture of a woman on an exam table with a little green man standing in front of her with a pair of forceps. [17:45] haha [17:45] and the speculum has to have flashing lights like a 70s sci-fi movie [17:45] THAT will draw em into the site. [17:46] Impregnated While Abducted? We Can Help! [17:46] Sounds like a JG Wentworth commercial [17:46] HAHAHA [17:46] It's your baby! Have it when you want it! [17:47] mancha: Don't forget the hologram tape [17:47] faustphor (~enter@host-24-100-49-165.newwavecomm.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:47] Next picture: female alien saying "It's my baby, and I need it now!" [17:47] ob gyn kenobi you're my only open [17:48] oops, open=hope, wtf happened [17:48] Reminds me of a guy I know, Phillip Good. Goes by Phil. He just passed medical school and is now Dr. Phil Good. [17:48] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Alan_Hicks: Nice. [17:49] True story. [17:49] Alan_Hicks: Is he a Motley Crue fan? [17:49] Are you serious? [17:50] FriedBob: I have no idea who Motley Crue is. Some kinda singer? [17:50] KaMii (~KaMii@0kelvin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] KaMii (~KaMii@0kelvin.net) left irc: Changing host [17:50] KaMii (~KaMii@unaffiliated/kamii) joined ##slackware. [17:50] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:50] Alan_Hicks: They are a classic rock band. they have a song called "Dr. Feel Good" [17:50] ewww arfon [17:50] FriedBob: Ah. I wouldn't know. [17:51] Alan_Hicks: I would try to rig something so that song would play when he walked into the room. But only if it would be highly inappropriate. Like the OR. [17:52] FriedBob: Better yet, the pharmacy. [17:52] yeah [17:52] Or anastesia. [17:54] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Nick change: nyRednek_ -> nyRednek [17:56] wescotte (1000@east-quad-234-12.prowlnet.uwm.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:56] oxiredo_ro (~dorin@109.96.197.83) joined ##slackware. [17:56] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-88-153-4-249.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [17:57] I am not sure how to get wifi to work at all. I want to connect to different wifi hotspots, but dont know how to set it up to auto connect or to easily connect. right now iwconfig just says no wireless extentions, and the access point says Not-Associated [17:58] can u tell me what version of mplayer use Slackware [package? ] ? [17:58] iwspy says: wlan0 Interface doesn't support wireless statistic collection [17:59] KaMii: Use wicd. [17:59] im running kernel 2.6.24.5 on slackintosh 12.1 [17:59] IIRC, it's in /extra [17:59] Well, at least for 13.0 and 13.1 [17:59] dont have wicd [17:59] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone! [18:00] something isn't quite right...i'm not sure if the issue has to do with kde or not. i can timeconfig, told it my clock is set to utc, and picked my timezone(EDT) [18:01] KaMii: So install it. [18:01] adamk: they didnt port wicd to slackintosh [18:01] It's on SBo [18:01] date tells me the correct time, but KDE tells me it is 4 hours later [18:01] Oh. [18:01] oh, ok i can try to build it [18:01] oxiredo_ro (dorin@109.96.197.83) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:01] /etc/localtime is correct. i tried setting the timezone in kde, but it doesn't fix the issue [18:01] it seems that KDE still things the hardware clock is local time [18:01] Yeah, I have no idea if it'll work, but that's where I'd start. [18:02] should beable to port [18:02] any idea how to fix the display in kde? [18:03] it says "Current local time zone: UTC (EDT)" in the KDE Control Module, which i'm not sure how to interpret [18:03] KDE's date facility that you're using probably runs its own date [18:04] mancha: nope, i just figured it out. had to log out and back in. although it did adjust before doing so...just not to the correct time [18:05] you shouldn't have to cycle kde to have it update a change in tz [18:05] Alan_Hicks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHP6U5vQ3mU [18:05] ok, wicd says no wireless networks found... but thats not true [18:05] Eww, it's KaMii [18:05] :P [18:05] You in the US now? [18:05] arfon: im trying to wifi my slackintosh [18:05] ya im americanified now [18:05] Cat5 is easier [18:06] BWA HA HA HA!!!! [18:06] they dont let me do cat5 in starbucks [18:06] KaMii, check the preferences in wicd and make sure your wireless card is right [18:06] jga (gajon@189.253.66.20) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:06] neither ethernet nor wifi work on my hackintosh... [18:06] Welcome to the Dark Side [18:06] doesn't like the chips. other than that and the battery/ac adapter not being recognized everything works [18:06] screen -d [18:06] mt [18:07] its not hackintosh its Slackintosh [18:07] FriedBob: That is heavy metal, not classic rock. [18:07] KaMii: i know. just saying :P [18:08] tpollard (~tpollard@120.158.5.143) joined ##slackware. [18:08] You guys have a good night [18:08] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.61) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:09] SLM-tecra (~fake.emai@70-36-146-98.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:12] kethry_ (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [18:12] i know there is a way to get it to work, maybe I need to upgrade the kernel? [18:12] do any of you run alternatives to apache, and if so why? [18:13] ch1ck3n_ (matthew@should.have.tried.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [18:13] rob0_ (rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) joined ##slackware. [18:13] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:13] jspider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-13-243.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] rob0 (rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:13] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-13-243.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:13] ch1ck3n (matthew@should.have.tried.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:13] tecra (~fake.emai@70-36-146-98.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:13] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:13] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [18:13] mancha: why? [18:13] Nick change: rob0_ -> rob0 [18:17] toothkit (~betch2k@66.87.1.83) left irc: Quit: fuck virgin mobile [18:17] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:19] mancha: are you starved for resources? [18:19] mancha, nginx, lighttpd [18:20] apache is a bitch to get working 100% if you're in dire need of stability in minutes [18:20] at least for me it is [18:20] jeev: perhaps for you, yes. [18:20] thumbs, at least i'm not a liar [18:20] jeev: never said you were. [18:21] however, it merely takes a few weeks of tinkering with apache httpd to be good with it. [18:21] yea i understand weeks but i went from a working set up to a disaster once [18:21] and it had to do with possibly freebsd but it was either [18:22] learning nginx asap or losing the customer (100k/year) [18:22] jeev: well, you could always ask me directly. [18:22] thumbs, it's been a while bro. it's over a year now [18:22] it's already functional, although i am planning to move it over to slackware soon [18:22] im scared to even do that. [18:23] sof (~sof@cpe-75-186-123-250.indy.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:23] i cant take a risk with him anymore or else i'd be interested in trying apache again, i just couldn't manage to figure out what i needed to do [18:24] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:24] jeev: meh. Virtual machines are good for that. [18:24] Alan_Hicks: It plays on the local classic rock stations. [18:24] thumbs, i dunno how to reproduce his traffic [18:26] thumbs, it was pretty much dying after a lot of traffic [18:26] i dont remember the resources but there was massive usage of something (i forgot, been a while) [18:27] jeev: well, that's not enough information. [18:27] yea man it's been since april 2009 [18:28] i forgot.. all i know is nginx is on 4 processes, 0.1% mem usage, that's all [18:28] i could probably go over old irc logs to see what i was bitching about [18:28] i was curious about nginx, one thing that is impressive is its caching speed [18:28] it's sad to see that somebody would trust a 100k/year deal to somebody who's barely knowledgable in a given technology [18:28] thumbs, i wouldn't be surprised if it was just freebsd but i think i had an obvious misconfiguration in apache [18:28] ananke: Happens all the time though [18:28] FriedBob: ohh, that i don't dispute [18:29] ananke: How you been? Not seen you much the times I've been on [18:30] does nginx still not handle cgi? [18:30] mancha, i use fastcgi [18:30] mancha: perhaps not. [18:30] right, so you need to use fastcgi extensionality [18:30] FriedBob: extremely busy. [18:30] on iwconfig my wlan0 says Link Encap: Ethernet should that be wireless? [18:31] Action: ananke hopes his third sysadmin position will be posted this week [18:31] i dont even know what's required to propely launch the number of processes for php-cgi, i just run something max [18:31] anyone know of intelligent benchmarking on the caching speeds? [18:31] what should a proper ifconfig -a look like? or iwconfig? [18:31] ananke: Cool. I'm still looking, but hope to be hearing something tomorrow [18:31] for wireless connections [18:32] ananke: our new employee just came in, and he's super curious. He's peeking at my sql and code all day. [18:32] ananke: you have no idea how refreshing that is. [18:32] thumbs: that's always good to find somebody eager to do the work. [18:32] KaMii: I suggest you unlearn ifconfig(8) and start learning ip(8) [18:32] thumbs, how do you prevent people from jacking your code [18:33] jeev: I encourage my employees to steal my code. [18:33] Action: ananke has seen pretty useless monkeys at helpdesk [18:33] but i dont want/need a static wifi because I am moving to hotspots a lot [18:33] so I need it working in a way I can easily connect to diffferent networkds [18:33] ananke: heck, he's been asking me questions on the schema, and how to find out information [18:34] anak, how big is the office ? [18:34] ananke: the previous employees never did that, in 6 months. [18:34] i mean thumbs [18:34] jeev: 10 employees. [18:34] oh [18:35] thumbs: one of my potential sysadmin candidates has been actually coming in and helping me already with a project. that's also very refreshing [18:36] ananke, need another candidate? :) [18:36] <-- looking for work [18:36] ananke: yeah. I would rather take enthousiatic candidates than arrogant senior employees. [18:36] ananke: I can vouch for Rob. [18:37] rob0: you're welcome to apply, it should be posted tomorrow [ i hope]. although it will be tough, i already have numerous people from our .edu trying to put their foot in the door [18:37] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:37] i'll post the job id once it's up on jobs.vt.edu [18:37] thanks [18:38] I just wrote a CV if you're interested, it was written for an email service provider job. [18:39] does apache thread itself over multiple cores? [18:39] all cvs will have to go through the system, so it's a bit pointless to send me those directly [18:39] mancha: that's up to the kernel [18:39] mancha: if you use prefork, a process may use any core the OS decides. [18:40] mancha: if you use worker, a single process will utilize a single core, and manage threads internally. [18:40] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:40] ok so using mpm_prefork_module [18:40] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [18:41] why are they still doing it that way? [18:42] WLShafor (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:42] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [18:42] mancha: some older modules are not thread-safe. [18:42] it's been enough time for all libs to have thread-safe versions out now i guess was my implicit gripe. [18:43] mancha: nowadays, however, mod_php runs well enough with worker with most php extensions. [18:44] ok well thats good to hear re: worker. it makes sense to serve thread-based than process-based [18:45] mancha: sure. [18:45] mancha: some distros refuse to install httpd-worker and mod_php at the same time, still. [18:46] |Slacker| (~cris@189.64.205.240) joined ##slackware. [18:47] mancha: thankfully, slackware doesn't care and lets you use whatever you want. 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[19:00] using php and worker at hte same time is a bad idea [19:00] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [19:00] php is not thread aware [19:00] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:00] gniks: it works fine. [19:01] ive never seen it work fine& there are always lil issues that pop up [19:02] but use at your own risk ;) [19:02] grazymax (~grazymax@host80-130-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:03] gniks: it runs fine in production here. [19:04] there have been reports, and i have seen apache/php cause cpu usage spikes, and not give up [19:05] you have to be very careful, a small bug in an extension that isn't meant to be thread aware, or bad php code could send the server into a frenzy [19:05] i guess im just saying be very aware that issues could crop up in such a configuration [19:06] gniks: I am fully aware of the risks. [19:06] you are, but the others didn't seem to be [19:06] oh. [19:07] thats all :) [19:10] http://pastebin.ca/1954388 [19:12] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:13] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:14] cant get the wifi to work [19:16] what does ifconfig call your wireless card? [19:16] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:16] nevermind [19:17] kk [19:18] oh... looking to see if I have the wrong driver [19:18] hold on [19:18] grazymax (~grazymax@host192-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:21] looks like i need to update my kernel [19:21] that is going to take awhile, so after I do that, we will see if it works [19:23] what card are you using? [19:24] i've always just built a module for my wireless and all is good... [19:24] nachox (~Ignacio@71-235-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. 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[20:18] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:18] I'm having strange crashes on wine [20:18] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] gtludwig, that's just the windows library emulation [20:19] ZING [20:19] i know [20:20] what's it doing? what should it be doing? [20:20] hiptobecubic, problem happens when installing an app [20:20] gtludwig, is the app known to work in wine? Many don't [20:20] appdb.winehq.com i believe [20:20] it is know to work [20:20] known** [20:22] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [20:23] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.200.127.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:24] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:30] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:32] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:56] rob0, heh [20:57] rob0: yeah, you need to inject caffeine after a drink [20:58] Action: rob0 tries that [20:58] lemonzest (~lemonzest@cpc1-nott14-2-0-cust234.12-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:58] dogz (~dgz@c-98-233-176-20.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:03] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-173-105.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:17] grazymax (~grazymax@host192-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:28] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:29] ivo_ (~ivo@f049133211.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [21:30] grazymax (~grazymax@host179-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [21:31] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:54] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:54] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [21:56] t0mm13b_ (t0mm13b@68.67.76.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:57] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] tpollard (~timp@123.208.43.35) joined ##slackware. [21:58] goj (~goj@p5488EFF0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:58] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [22:02] uking (~root@125.166.188.216) joined ##slackware. [22:02] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:02] test [22:02] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:02] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) left irc: Excess Flood [22:03] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:03] fail [22:03] i need help [22:04] don't we all? :) [22:04] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] some more than others ;) [22:04] hi andarius [22:04] my computer's error [22:04] :) [22:04] greetings and salutations [22:05] hidekazu2 (~dsm@188-222-36-81.zone13.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:06] don't login cz forget get my passwor...and i newby..in slaccware [22:07] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-121-192.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [22:09] uking, root password? [22:10] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-6-72-133.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] grazymax (~grazymax@host179-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:11] yes.... dive [22:11] uking, then you will need to boot up with slackware cd/dvd and reset it [22:12] reset or change it [22:12] emmmhh..thanks dive i try [22:12] boot cd/dvd, at prompt enter 'root=/dev/sdxx' where it is your root partition [22:13] then use passwd [22:13] or just boot normally and chroot into it [22:16] ok dive login succes...yeahhh...very thanks [22:18] no problem :) [22:19] uking (~root@125.166.188.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:21] aarchvile (~aarchvile@ip-192.viapori.fi) joined ##slackware. [22:23] juice (1000@67.48.16.165) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [22:24] grazymax (~grazymax@host33-130-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [22:29] SLM-tecra (~fake.emai@70-36-146-98.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: [22:29] poprocks (~logan@d72-38-26-37.commercial1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:49] heh... hey MLanden [22:49] hello [22:49] hello happy flappy [22:50] hey shonudo [22:50] tpollard (~timp@120.153.27.241) joined ##slackware. [22:50] heya folks [22:50] you doing the backstroke, MLanden, or has the flooding missed you? [22:50] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:51] been wet,but not too bad shonudo [22:51] good to hear [22:55] grazymax (~grazymax@host33-130-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:56] Nick change: Urugami -> Urugami_zzz [22:56] nachox (~Ignacio@71-235-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:57] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.200.127.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:58] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-228-44-176.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:05] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.209.134) joined ##slackware. [23:06] Action: jeev just typed restart in the command line and wondered why it didn't reboot [23:06] shonudo: have heard south of us eastern Carolina got the worst of it [23:06] yeah, i think i saw the news coverage of that [23:06] they got slammed [23:06] What do commonly displayed for "windows FAT filesystem" ? [23:06] cat /etc/fstab [23:07] i was wondering if you had gotten hit at all [23:07] flappy? do you mean what the fstab entry looks like? [23:07] i'm confused [23:07] yes! [23:08] grazymax (~grazymax@host94-26-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [23:08] vfat works to ID the fs (if that helps) [23:08] Im trying to mount my windows drive. [23:08] shonudo: last Thursday and on/off over the weekend...some spots,but not as bad [23:08] mount -t vfat /xxx/xxx [23:08] it's been one hell of a hurricane season [23:08] Can I show you my fstab? [23:09] pastebin it so everyone can take a look [23:09] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [23:10] shonudo: yeah,it has been...lol,and we were about as dry as y'all were(jab at the desert) during the summer...:) [23:11] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.209.134) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:11] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.209.134) joined ##slackware. [23:12] tsccof (tsccof@189.74.209.134) left ##slackware. [23:12] flappy1 (~john@210.5.78.4) joined ##slackware. [23:12] poprocks (~logan@d72-38-26-37.commercial1.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: QED bitches [23:13] flappy (~john@210.5.78.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:17] it rained here a couple of days ago; lasted twenty minutes and probably produced a cup of water total [23:17] half of that evaporated before hitting the ground [23:17] it was awesome! ;) [23:18] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:19] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.200.127.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:21] lol..could imagine,shonudo [23:22] dude, seriously, this is the only place i've ever lived where it rains and nothing gets wet [23:22] moist is the best we get [23:25] think it would take me quite some time to get used to that [23:27] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.200.127.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:27] 8" of rain a year, on average, and we're in a drought, so we don't even get that [23:27] in chicago, you can get 8" of rain overnight [23:28] granted, that's exceptional, but it does put things in perspective; it's dry as a bone out here [23:28] true [23:33] Are the old rules about tlds enforced nowdays? I mean is there any reason a .org or .net can't exist as a profit making company? [23:33] if a .com isn't available? [23:36] i think net can be for profit [23:38] i think tld management has sort of gotten lax [23:39] probably the only strictly enforced ones these days are .gov and .mil? maybe .edu? [23:39] right [23:39] what about for-profit onlines like kaplan? [23:39] that's an edu [23:40] i'm sure .gov is strictly enforced [23:40] .edu can be for profit....all the private universities are .edu [23:40] true [23:40] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [23:41] \o [23:41] o/ [23:45] tpollard (~timp@120.153.27.241) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:46] grazymax (~grazymax@host94-26-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:54] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:56] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:56] How to open a "root folder directory" if you are logged as user. newbie quest.. Ty. [23:58] su and then run thunar [23:58] not su - [23:58] danc3 (danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left ##slackware ("Gone to do something useful!"). [23:58] gotcha... it helped a lot.. Thnx a lot :) [23:59] np [23:59] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:00] --- Tue Oct 5 2010