[00:00] BP{k}: ok, somethings happened here, messagebus is empty as well, and there's a .orig file [00:00] is dbus-daemon running? [00:02] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] Quiznos: Umm, not sure, just starting X again to see if I have a keyboard now [00:03] fire|bird: hmm that's sounds tather bad. I wonder what happened with slackpkg. Do you have any other .orig files that have their normal files empty? [00:04] BP{k}: going to check, I know like inet1 has an .orig file, and I think something else also [00:04] when i upgraded, all i had were *.new files. all my pre-upgrade files were not touched [00:05] welanx1 (n=welanx@74.44.49.80) joined ##slackware. [00:05] BP{k}: rc.font is another one [00:05] not sure if those are emtpy though, going to check here now. [00:05] fire|bird: rc.font is not a big problem (as opposed to rc.hal and rc.messagebus.) [00:05] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] ok, there's rc.bluetooth, rc.inet1.conf, rc.inet1, and rc.mysqld that have .orig files as well. [00:07] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-111.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] rc.mysqld is empty [00:07] okay, and are those `normal files` (ie rc.inet1, rc.inet1.conf) empty? [00:08] out of those, just rc.mysqld is empty [00:08] and it's .orig file is fine [00:08] fire|bird the reason yours fails my sniff test is because i have the same prob; input disabled by X [00:09] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [00:11] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [00:12] Action: fire|bird hits antler over the head with Quiznos :D [00:12] firedix (n=firedix@host9.200-45-61.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [00:12] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Action: antler orders seconds [00:13] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] brb [00:13] y0 twolf [00:13] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:14] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [00:15] \o/ keyboard works now. [00:15] why? [00:15] It'd be nice to know what happened there though. [00:15] w00t,fire|bird [00:15] fire|bird: \o/ [00:15] why what? hald and messagebus were empty, I restored them and it works. [00:15] welanx (n=welanx@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:15] ok [00:16] BP{k}: very odd issue though. :/ [00:16] fire|bird: agreed. [00:16] although I have to admit, I seldomly let slackpkg move my files for me. I just keep the .new and move them by hand. [00:16] most unfortunate that you dont know why other than working daemons; mine work also but hald has no info to tell x about [00:17] i have this folder that is for some odd reason, read only, how do i delete it? [00:18] i tried using chmod but i must nto be doing it correctly [00:18] chk acl [00:18] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.60.119.54) joined ##slackware. [00:18] ? [00:18] lsattr dir [00:18] bhaki (n=bhaki@220.227.219.98) joined ##slackware. [00:18] lsattr name [00:19] Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on * [00:19] what't he device? [00:19] it's not a device just a folder [00:19] on what? [00:19] it's on a partition [00:19] of on of my HD [00:19] one* [00:19] fstype? [00:19] ext3 [00:20] that's bad [00:20] Chakravanti: why not just under root delete the folder ? [00:20] e3 does acl [00:20] i am root >.> [00:20] k [00:20] fire|bird: you try ext4 yet? [00:20] with slack, that is... [00:21] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: "Quitting" [00:21] chk var/log/message or other file for name [00:21] antler: no, xfs on the desktop and ext3 + lvm + luks on the laptop [00:21] BP{k}: Thank goodness for .orig files. :/ [00:21] fire|bird: wuss [00:21] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [00:21] antler: haha, why? [00:21] chk? [00:21] check [00:22] fire|bird: could be just my imagination, but ext4 seems better than all the above :P [00:22] corvo_ (n=corvo@200.146.45.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:23] what am i looking for? [00:23] antler: QUIT sniffing those paint fumes. :P [00:23] any messages re that dir [00:23] in any logfile [00:23] antler: lol, I'll try it eventually, just haven't yet. [00:24] antler: In your, imaginative opinion, how is it better? In what ways? [00:24] i think it woudl be easier to boot a live cd and delete the file [00:24] wtf [00:24] antler: i did not notice any difference :P [00:24] nvm...im too tired to fuck with this stupid shit tonight [00:24] k [00:24] i hate it when my computer won't let me do shit [00:24] lol [00:24] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:24] yea [00:25] fire|bird: faster, for one [00:25] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there are a million toys at toys-r-us that i can play with :o" [00:25] fire|bird: faster access [00:25] antler: :O, I like that. :D [00:26] AkiraYB (n=FarSeer@201-68-175-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:26] fire|bird: this is a big day for me. i'm on kde 4.2. [00:26] Is the filesystem on the partition NTFS? [00:26] Action: MLanden starts thinking 'bout Daft Punk's Harder Faster Stronger Better...:D [00:26] gm152 chak's? duno [00:26] no, he said e3 [00:27] I saw he left. [00:27] OK. [00:27] antler: nice. How do you like kde4? [00:27] Could have been mounted ro. [00:27] nods [00:27] or as Chak already mentioned, he might have done something wrong. [00:27] but he was fusterated/tired [00:27] yea bp [00:28] fire|bird: well, like anything else it takes getting used to :D [00:28] lol [00:31] like, for example, what the hell does the Blue Marble widget do? what is it's function? <--- fire|bird [00:32] Action: Urchlay looks around [00:32] antiwire: If I'm thinking of the right thing, it's a system monitor, ram, etc. [00:32] antler: true,it is a transition...remember the transistion I went through on FreeBSD with KDE2 to KDE3 [00:32] o/~ Aaall the lonely people, where do they all belong? o/~ [00:32] elderk (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Action: deco is happy that kde 4.2.2 runs really smooth on his 2001 laptop [00:33] beatles are always welcome [00:33] Hey guys, anyone here had much luck with Slackware on a GPT partition? [00:33] MLanden: yeah.. [00:33] Urchlay: bump it up to the Sandman...:D [00:33] And hey, is it possible to have Linux built with both GPT and MBR? [00:33] MLanden: eh, metallica? I'll stick with the first 3 albums, in that case... [00:34] Urchlay: megadeth! :D [00:34] antler: What's the exact widget name? [00:34] Action: MLanden just burned myself....thinkin' of America's Lonely People...lol [00:34] Anyone? [00:34] fire|bird: Blue Marble [00:34] antler: did you build aria2? [00:34] antiwire: ok, I'm double checking now. [00:35] megadeth = started by a guy who was kicked out of metallica for having too much attitude... which is like being kicked out of a church choir for being too religious :) [00:35] Urchlay: :) [00:35] dood! [00:35] mingdao: just got 64 installed; now clicking around 4.2 to see what it's like [00:35] tab completion fail 2 times [00:35] antler: How did it work? [00:35] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left ##slackware. [00:35] heh [00:36] Urchlay actually, one can be accused of heresy for being "too religious" (i was) [00:36] lol,Urchlay...very true [00:36] How's KDE 4.2, guys? [00:36] mingdao: playing around with the widgets just now caused one instance of something kde related to crash--desktop disappeared then reappeared [00:36] elderk: awesome [00:37] :) More polished? [00:37] elderk: yep :) [00:37] L¨} [00:37] I'm not sure how to feel about KDE4, I've not yet tried it - but I've heard plenty bad. [00:37] so anyway I have an actual on-topic question [00:37] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Fuck off with your Star Trek ideas" [00:37] elderk: don't listen just try ;-) [00:37] i think we've had enuf of on-top [00:37] antler: heh, I was thinking of BubbleMon [00:37] elderk: lot's of opinions ... kick the tires and see how it drives [00:38] antiwire: sorry. Um, I spilled water this time? :P [00:38] Aye. [00:38] fire|bird: lol [00:38] if I have a chunk of video I want to upload to youtube, can I just go "ffmpeg -i original_video.avi -s 320x240 youtube_upload.flv"? [00:38] (bear with me, I've never tried to upload anything to youtube before) [00:39] wont it take the avi? [00:39] eh, actually, the original's not an AVI. What I have is 2 hours of video on a DVD, and will be ripping about 3-4 minutes from it [00:40] nepenthe (n=ville@85.76.198.170) joined ##slackware. [00:40] I suppose using mencoder with -ss and -endpos to pick out just the piece I want to keep [00:40] well try it [00:41] Any chance some of you oculd post me some screenshots of your setup? [00:41] :) [00:41] yeah, trying it now, or anyway will be trying it as soon as I figure out which part is the one I want to upload (it's a live band performance, we played about 30 songs, want to upload just one) [00:42] koo [00:42] elderk: you would be really underwhelmed by a screenshot from my machine. [00:43] elderk: ill send you one just a sec [00:43] elderk: http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/desktop-01.png [00:43] elderk: put a buck on my PayPal, eh? [00:43] lol, cheers guys :) [00:43] (black|open|fux)box ? [00:43] elderk: http://imagebin.ca/view/cGPY3t.html [00:44] kde4 ;-) [00:44] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap ..... :)" [00:44] I have that wallpaper too, the robot one [00:44] elderk: Fluxbox [00:44] forbidden love or wahtever :) [00:44] elderk: yup :D [00:45] elderk: they should hire the artist to do a movie :P [00:45] Yeah man [00:45] elderk: http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/desktop-02.png [00:45] It'd be epic. [00:45] Quiznos: this could take a while. The woman operating the camera kept forgetting to point it at us... [00:45] atm, I'm getting a little sick of Mac OSX's inconsistencies. [00:46] Cute child :) [00:46] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [00:46] hey i have a zip file passworded, when i extract, it doesnt prompt me to type in the password, how do i type in the password? [00:46] elderk, pekwm for me [00:47] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:47] surrealgirl: what *does* it do? does it extract the file, or give an error message, or...? [00:48] it creates a folder and thats it [00:48] (for that matter, what are you using? "unzip" from the command line, or some kinda clicky graphical thing?) [00:48] extract arhive to here [00:48] using ark [00:48] no idea. [00:48] thanks elderk [00:48] she's a Slacker [00:48] Try "unzip filename.zip" on the command line [00:48] Hahahah ;) [00:48] Hows PkeWM? [00:48] since she was 4 ... now close to 9 [00:49] I've seen it online and such, but I've never used it. [00:49] kip time [00:49] Is the UI any more consistent on *nix now? Like, can I make GTK and QT get along in appearence? [00:49] unsupported compression method 99 [00:49] And, how's performance? [00:49] KrAkOvIc (n=Cool@unaffiliated/krak0vic) left irc: [00:49] I heard that graphics performance was suffering because of hte new rewrite? [00:49] what is it? DRI2? [00:49] surrealgirl: hm. That's a weird one. Do you have any idea what was used to create the zip file? [00:49] :) Have fun, mingdao. [00:49] Urchlay, nope [00:49] And hey, good job raising a Slacker? [00:49] :D [00:50] elderk, better than fluxbox :) [00:50] I think'll donate to Slackware. [00:50] Heh. [00:50] :) [00:50] Channel flood from elderk -- kicking [00:50] That's not hard, Thom1 [00:50] elderk kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:50] elderk (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:50] There we go. [00:50] surrealgirl: if it's one of those random ones from a bittorrent, it's probably not worth the effort (it'll turn out to be a fake) [00:50] unzip -P my_pass file.zip [00:50] :) [00:50] from 4chan [00:50] ;| [00:50] there's a good chance it's not really a zip file at all [00:51] what could it be then? it works for everyone else [00:51] does "file blah.zip" say it's a zip archive? [00:51] elderk, pekwm has advantages from fluxbox and openbox [00:51] elderk: i run gtk apps in kde , they run well :) [00:51] good idea lemme check [00:51] jham (n=superdud@dynamic-216-26-223-99.tbaytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:51] Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract [00:51] OK [00:51] deco, do they 'fit' though? [00:51] it does say i need a password to enter, hence i just need to get the prompt to type in password [00:51] I haven't used Linux in oh, a few months, at least as a desktop system. [00:52] And the thing that lways bugged the hell out of me, was the inconsistent UIs. [00:52] ANd the bad icon themes :P [00:52] elderk: well not at first you have to get a good theme like i did . just got me a kde4 gtk theme [00:52] surrealgirl: try mancha's "unzip -P password file.zip", but I suspect it won't work ("unsupported compression format 99" sounds pretty fundamentally bad) [00:52] whats format 99 mean? [00:52] good question [00:53] the thing that bothers me about Windows is the lack of variety in UI, that they are either ugly or overdone, and that they have icons that either aren't clear enough as to what they are (i.e. too artistic) or are too overdone (trying to be like Linux or Mac) [00:53] might been caused by corruption during compression [00:53] weird, works for everyone else [00:53] much less that their UI is not customizeable enough without unsupported alterations [00:53] elderk: when using kde download gtk-chtheme and download a kde theme on gnome look :D [00:53] temp, I enjoyed BeOS GUI. [00:53] It was simple, reasonably out of the way. [00:53] And consistent. [00:53] zip supports more than one kind of compression (they're called things like "deflate" and "crunch"), there's a byte in the zipfile header that tells what format to use... and that byte has the value "99", which isn't one that the unzip command knows about [00:53] OSX is tolerable, mostly. [00:53] elderk: that makes all the gtk look like qt apps [00:53] But the fact that you can't easily segregate all applications bugs the fuck out of me. [00:54] And most mac users refuse to admit that it's an issue [00:54] fucking deveopers not follow Apple's app spec... [00:54] (be flexible with paths, etc...) [00:54] :) [00:54] surrealgirl: if it works for "everyone else", possibly you could get one of them to re-zip it with a normal zip utility and send you that? [00:54] hm weird [00:54] ill just download from sendspace instead of rapidshare then [00:54] :P Me, I'm an FVWM guy. Ever since I used its Virtual desktop implementation, I was hooked. [00:55] also, what is "everyone else" using? winzip or something? It could be a proprietary compression format that winzip (or whatever) supports, but isn't part of standard infozip [00:55] elderk, ok, very good wm, I wanted to use it but I'm not a dev :D [00:55] yay my screenshot got added on slackwaregallery.org :D [00:55] that's why I like pekwm [00:55] Nick change: slackmag1c -> slackmagic [00:56] Thom1, you don't have to be a developer to use it :) [00:56] elderk, segregate all applications? huh? [00:56] deco: nice. :) [00:56] temp, /Applications, ~/Applications <-- user install dir. [00:56] y0 slackmagic [00:56] fire|bird: thanks :P [00:56] what's up fire|bird [00:56] A lot of prgorams don't allow you to install in your ~/Applications [00:56] surrealgirl: I just searched on google for "linux unsupported compression method 99" and found something useful: http://juljas.net/linux/tips/ [00:56] and even if you can, [00:56] some still shove crap or store data in /Applications [00:56] It's fucking annoying. [00:56] slackmagic: not much here, how about you? [00:57] with Linux you can choose where things install because you can compile from source. with apple you can't. most mac people don't strike me as "let's get it to work", more "it had better work" type people [00:57] surrealgirl: go to slackbuilds.org, install p7zip, and "7z file.zip", apparently (so sayeth that web page) [00:57] And then you have the inconsistency with \/(usr(/local)?\/)?(s)?bin [00:57] fire|bird: not much, enjoying the sounds of rain [00:57] er, "7z x file.zip" I mean [00:57] Oh, rain is awesome. [00:57] i got the video [00:57] Especially on a tin roof. [00:57] :) [00:57] goddamn this video sucks [00:57] T.T im sorry Urchlay im just wasting your time, this video sucks [00:57] what's it a video of then? [00:58] At least UNIX is somewhat consistent, depending on UNIX. [00:58] If you want, you can install all "user installed" apps to ~/ [00:58] and user installed libs, etc. [00:58] what was the reason, newer comp or enc algo? [00:58] Easier to 'segregate' what is with the system, what isnt, what you added, what you didnt. [00:58] lol,Urchlay [00:59] a stupid woman being peep holed [00:59] ill pass the video to you if you want [00:59] its really stupid :| [00:59] elderk, but with apple's linking stuff in their filesystem i would think you can just grab it wherever it is and move it to where it ought to be at that point [01:00] eh, I'm not really up on cool-kid slang, WTF does "peep holed" mean in that context? [01:00] tell us o_O [01:00] temp, you can only if the apps use the correcT Apis. [01:00] (and no, I don't really need to see the video, whatever it turns out to mean) [01:00] The 'aliases' and symlinks in teh FS have nothing to do with that. [01:00] peep holed is a real word [01:00] elderk, ah [01:00] http://www.answers.com/peephole [01:00] The apps are bundles, which have plists, that they are meant to use (along with API calls) to locate themselves. [01:00] I know what a peephole is (as a noun), but I have no idea what it means as a verb [01:01] oh [01:01] is that the video of the ESPN newcaster changing her clothes ? [01:01] and then get stuff from their 'found' position. [01:01] ok check your pm, im going to bed [01:01] good night all and thank you Urchlay [01:01] does it just mean, someone was looking at this person thru a peephole, and made a video of that? [01:01] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:01] vn1k (n=irchon@124-170-249-71.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:01] ...the world may never know [01:01] Urchlay, yes [01:01] ah, OK [01:02] I thought it was some kinda sexual thing [01:02] like a "filthy sanchez" [01:02] lol [01:02] haha,Urchlay [01:02] no [01:02] johnc (n=enthujoh@122.169.138.70) joined ##slackware. [01:03] is there any way to send someone a text message to their cell phone (US: T-Mobile) from Linux? [01:03] ok good night [01:03] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [01:04] any idea how to install Slackware64 13.0 in ICH10R in RAID 0 config ? [01:04] temp: just email their phone number [01:04] temp: if there's a way to do it from a web site, it should be easy to script up something using wget or maybe LWP.pm in perl [01:04] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-13-24-24.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] temp: http://www.smsclient.org/ [01:05] I want to dual boot Slackware 13.0 with Windows Vista due to my gaming needs ... so any help is appreciated .... [01:06] I like how I just got the email saying slackware 13 is released just now [01:06] johnc, there's a file RAID_HOWTO.TXT on the install image (mirror) that should show you how [01:06] johnc, you will need to resize windows potentially [01:06] aceofspades19: I'll make sure you get a copy of the memo, mmm'kay? [01:07] heh [01:07] temp, I've enuf space for Windows and Linux... but the info specified only to install Linux ...I need to keep my windows installation intact ... [01:07] vn1k (n=irchon@124-170-249-71.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:07] hmm. does anybody here use the qemu SBo package? [01:08] it appears to need texi2html as a dependancy yet that packages does not exist on SBo nor does it exist as a native package. [01:08] johnc, do you have unpartitioned space? [01:08] johnc, #1 partition with at least 2 parts (vistan and slack) you can add another for linux's swap and or to split up slack into various parts; #2 install vista on first; #3 install slack on the others and let slack write to the mbr for dual boot [01:08] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] temp, yes I do ... [01:09] $ which texi2html [01:09] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-" [01:09] /usr/share/texmf/bin/texi2html [01:09] $ grep usr/share/texmf/bin/texi2html /var/adm/packages/* [01:09] /var/adm/packages/tetex-3.0-x86_64-6:usr/share/texmf/bin/texi2html [01:09] that help? [01:09] thanks Urchlay! [01:09] cool [01:10] sure, install tetex (part of slackware) [01:10] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [01:10] I tried booting with the slackware dvd ...but it's not recognising the HD in RAID 0 ...but rather as 2 separate hard disks ... [01:10] your help couldn't be clearer [01:10] I keep a full install of all that junk, even though I pretty much have no idea what I'd ever use tetex for :) [01:10] hah [01:10] Urchlay: you don't use latex? [01:10] qemu! [01:10] =) [01:11] he's allergic [01:11] never used TeX or LaTeX? [01:11] aceofspades19: I once painted these two girls with liquid latex, but that's probly not what you're asking... [01:11] sheep skin ftw [01:11] it's a typseting macro language Urch [01:11] Urchlay: LaTeX != latex :p [01:11] anyway I do know what TeX is, but I've no idea what "tetex" is (other than "something somehow related to TeX") [01:12] Urchlay: its a distribution of TeX [01:12] it is the most popular linux latex compiler [01:12] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-111.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:12] ah. Used in the same sense that "Slackware is a distribution of Linux", there are multiple competing ones? [01:12] Urchlay: its like using gcc vs. the intel c compiler [01:12] it takes your tex (or latex) code and compiles it into a rendered file [01:13] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [01:13] Urchlay: TeXlive is another TeX distribution [01:13] ah. So "TeX" refers to the language, not a particular implementation (sorta like C means the language, not any specific compiler) [01:13] well, and TeXlive have the advantage because it´ s maintained [01:13] Urchlay: yeah [01:13] the drawback is the gargantuous size of texlive [01:13] heh, they refer to the unmaintained one as "TeXdEaD" or something? :) [01:14] yes, Tex and LAtex are languages, latex are expanded macros [01:14] like saying html [01:14] once upon a time I had a book on tex/latex, looked thru it, but never found a real use for it [01:14] I mean my meagre "word processing" needs are mostly covered with a plain text editor [01:15] Urchlay: ehhehe. TeX comes from Donald Knuth, the author of ¨The Art of Computer Programming¨. [01:15] Urchlay: but LaTeX looks so nice [01:15] yeah, I know about Knuth and TAOCP, that's the only reason I had a book on tex :) [01:16] Urchlay: hmm, did you add "/usr/share/texmf/bin/" to your PATH? [01:16] aceofspades19: yah, I'm sure the results are a lot nicer than crap produced by ms-word or whatever, I just never print anything [01:16] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-16-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Urchlay: it looks nice on screen too [01:17] cause that's where tetex put my texi2html and the build still failed cause it wasn't in my path [01:17] SiegeX: did I? Ehmm, I think that's done by a /etc/profile.d/tetex.sh (log out & back in after installing the package, or just source that script) [01:17] urch it also helps when you distribute things [01:17] aha [01:17] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-27-78-54.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:17] Action: SiegeX undosify his PATH mangling [01:19] that probably should be put in the install.sh [01:19] '. /etc/profile.d/tetex.sh' that is [01:19] SiegeX: verbing wierds language' [01:20] SiegeX: how? doinst.sh runs in a subshell, not the shell you run installpkg from, so it can't affect the shell you call it from [01:20] well thats when you just install a kernel module and hook into that and then have that source it for you =) [01:21] johnc_ (n=enthujoh@122.169.222.186) joined ##slackware. [01:21] johnc (n=enthujoh@122.169.138.70) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] temp_ (n=temp@61.43.249.4) joined ##slackware. [01:21] elderk (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [01:21] Nick change: johnc_ -> johnc [01:23] temp (n=temp@61.43.249.3) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:23] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-uiiqkibfanxmpwea) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:24] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:25] actually midnight commander does do a neat trick to let the calling shell's working directory get changed by mc, on exit... but it does it by aliasing mc to ". /usr/share/mc/bin/mc-wrapper.sh", so it still needs its /etc/profile.d script run after the package is installed [01:25] anyone ever tried installing slackware on RAID 0 in ICH10R (Intel Matrix Storage Manager) [01:25] not I [01:26] does ICH10R's RAID device just show up as a standard SCSI device, as far as the installed OS is concerned? [01:26] (and if so, is there a Linux driver for it?) [01:27] eh, sorry to answer your question with more questions, but at least now you've got some more-specific questions to ask, when you meet someone who actually knows something... [01:28] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:29] Urchlay: actually, looks like you can affect the parent process with bash via fifo's [01:29] SiegeX: neat trick! [01:31] eh, got a link or something, I'm curious but don't really want to wade through 3 zillion pages of "man bash" [01:32] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.164) joined ##slackware. [01:32] johnc (n=enthujoh@122.169.222.186) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:32] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:33] Urchlay, you don't have to wade through that many pages. you can search through the man page. [01:33] temp_: yeah, I know, but searching for "fifo" didn't yield anything that looked relevant [01:33] mkfifo temp.fifo; (echo "my_path" > temp.fifo &); var=$(cat temp.fifo); echo "$var"; rm temp.fifo [01:33] no, more like "man whatever" then press / key [01:34] ... [01:34] /fart will search for all words fart [01:34] oh nevermind i apologize it looked like you were giving instructions for how to turn the man page into a file to search through [01:34] Action: temp_ smacks his forehead [01:34] temp_: yes, I *did that*, thanks, and searched for "fifo", and found only 3 references to it, none of which has anything to do with what I wanted... [01:34] actually, it still requires the parent to source on the fifo to get it into the environment. But, the child can communicate back things through the fifo [01:35] johnc (n=enthujoh@122.175.86.242) joined ##slackware. [01:35] SiegeX: so, you'd have to source the fifo in the calling shell (the one where you type "installpkg whatever"), not real convenient.. [01:35] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-30-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:35] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [01:36] SiegeX: I thought you meant some special bash-istic magic that made it automatic or at least user-friendly :) [01:36] Urchlay: ya, it's not. but you can get data back from the child without resorting to writing to the file system [01:36] sure you do, you write to the fifo [01:36] eh? writing to a FIFO the way mancha's example does, is using the filesystem [01:37] temp_: sorry, momentary lack of communication there... [01:39] ya, n/m that. might as well just write to a real file and source that since we aren't using the fifo for 2way comm [01:39] a named FIFO is still a file, it's just got the property that a process reading it, will block until another process writes something [01:39] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:39] though I can't remember whether it's allowed to have multiple readers and/or multiple writers (10 years ago I could have told you) [01:39] johnc (n=enthujoh@122.175.86.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:40] johnc (n=enthujoh@122.169.231.79) joined ##slackware. [01:41] heh ok there is 1 way, but it's not what I would call 'special bash-tastic' [01:41] the child script runs expect which calls GDB on the parent process and inserts some setenv() calls =) [01:42] :) [01:42] apparently you don't need expect, GDB is scriptable on its own. so maybe even more 'tastic than i thought [01:43] do /dev/random and/or /dev/urandom need to be world-writable? [01:43] SiegeX: would you believe, I've written a filesystem that uses fuse + expect + an Atari emulator to mount Atari disk images? (that's almost as wacky as your idea, no?) [01:43] very kool [01:43] sounds crazy, what is fuse? [01:44] userland fs [01:44] temp_: no idea. They *are* world read/write, but I dunno what (if anything) writing to them even does [01:44] it can add entropy to the pool if you write to it i think [01:44] depends on the algo [01:44] SiegeX: lets you write a filesystem driver as a userspace process instead of a kernel module [01:44] i dont think there is any reason why you wouldnt want to have more possible entropy [01:45] Urchlay: very cool, probably even more wacky-tastic =) [01:45] hmmm, if the "entropy" I write in to /dev/random is a stream of zeroes though, that's a bit nasty [01:45] Urchlay how was the writing of your code? easy? how were the docs for fuse? [01:45] what you put into /dev/random doesn't get added 1:1 [01:45] (if I do that while you're using /dev/random for some secutity-related purpose, it could cause problems...) [01:45] it has an algo to tell whether or not it was random enough [01:46] Quiznos: the docs were OK, but I was using Perl (the real FUSE docs are for C, and the perl docs pretty much refer you to the real docs) [01:46] ok [01:46] adn the coding? [01:46] I read some paper on the linux RNG a few weeks ago cause i always wondered how the eff it worked and possible attacks on it [01:46] Urchlay, found a bug report in debian to that effect and where they said that they ought to be 0666 [01:46] Quiznos: also the perl Fuse.pm module didn't expose one of the API variables I needed, I had to modify it [01:47] kk [01:47] do share that info [01:47] you can still DoS a local box if you create a proc to read from /dev/random continuously since any call to that will block until enough entropy is there [01:47] Quiznos: the code itself is easy enough to write, IIRC the perl fuse docs show you how to implement a fake filesystem that contains like 2 files [01:47] SiegeX, unless you use ulimit i would imagine [01:47] oh thats kool [01:48] actually, hm, I wonder if there's a new Fuse.pm with my patch, I did email it to the maintainer like a year ago, but never heard back [01:48] nods [01:49] temp_: which one, cpu time? [01:49] basically what was needed: by default, your function that implements the stat() call has to return an exact size for the file... if it doesn't (if it e.g. rounds up to the next 1K size), the result is that tools like "cp" end up reading all-zero data for the extra bytes [01:49] ulimit -u 100 [01:49] ok [01:49] that's cp/m :) [01:49] heh [01:50] like, I have a file 4 bytes long that contains "foo\n", but I report its size as 1024 bytes... I cp it, and the copy is the original 4 bytes plus 1020 bytes of zeroes :( [01:50] ok [01:50] definly cp/m [01:51] however, the way my driver works, it runs the Atari DOS inside a modified version of the atari800 emulator, and in the Atari DOS, the *only* way to get the exact size, is to read the entire file [01:51] tahts kool [01:51] temp_: thing is, you only need one process to suck up all the entropy and you dont even have to have it use up that much cpu time [01:51] (if you use its disk-directory command, it says how many "sectors" the file takes up, like CP/M I guess) [01:51] yea [01:51] i would imagine the ulimits would have to be so unreasonable that it would make that user account break [01:51] SiegeX, yeah i was thinking that, which is why i was looking for the one that limits CPU time [01:52] cpu time is -t [01:52] granted on dual core / dual processor machines, is CPU time 100% mean only one CPU max'd and 200% meaning both? [01:52] but it's CPU time in seconds [01:52] you can't have more than 100% cpu [01:52] but reading a crap ton of bytes from /dev/random then going to sleep and doing it again will not tax the cpu at all [01:52] i don't know how well processor % translates to cpu seconds [01:52] well, I don't want to do it that way: with disk images, that's a waste of lots of CPU cycles for the emulator... and later on, the emulator's going to support a real floppy drive (connected thru the serial port)... in which case, a simple "ls" would cause the entire disk to be read (at the native Atari I/O speed. Ugh.) [01:53] in fact you really only need to read a crap ton once to empty out the pool, then you just do little nibbles from that point on [01:53] ok [01:53] temp the kernel scheduler doesn't limit % usage [01:54] Quiznos: well the C API for FUSE does support a "raw" mode (I think it's called) where stat() can return rounded-up sizes without hurting anything, but the perl module didn't expose that part of the API [01:54] Urchlay: did the atari 8bits have a plug in module(with a Z80 processor) for CP/M? I know C64 had a few(though buggy) [01:54] maybe its average % over 1 second is how much it adds per second [01:54] ok [01:54] MLanden: there was one, not made by Atari though [01:54] so 100% @1s is 1s cpu time, 50% @2s is also 1s cpu time [01:54] MLanden: actually I take that back, there were two, but apparently nobody ever actually bought one of them :) [01:54] same with the C64 and PET...3rd party [01:55] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left irc: [01:55] now that's really frankensteining a system..lol [01:56] you know, I wish I had an old CBM PET [01:56] even a broken one... they just look so *cool* [01:56] i mremeber those [01:56] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:57] they were so 70s :) [01:57] hear ya,Urchlay [01:57] hm. Fuse fails to install with CPAN. Wonder why. [01:57] hm :) implement the cp/m fs [01:58] rather do it via an emulator running real CP/M (same thing I'm doing for Atari DOS now) [01:58] nods [01:58] bbl [01:59] Failed 8/21 test programs. 62/156 subtests failed. [01:59] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [02:00] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [02:01] Urchlay: not sure if the 'share that info' was meant for the Linux RNG, but if so: eprint.iacr.org/2006/086.pdf [02:02] really good read, lays it out pretty easily [02:02] SiegeX: I think he was talking about my modified Fuse.pm [02:02] if I could but install the one from CPAN, I could diff it against my local copy.. [02:03] damn, my amd tbird 750 that was probably 10 years old just kicked the bucket [02:03] twolf: heat-death? [02:04] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:04] Urchlay: perhaps, it had been running folding at home at 100% cpu for 3 years 24/7 [02:04] well, you got your moneys' worth I guess [02:04] indeed [02:06] hm. Latest Fuse.pm retrieved from CPAN is the same as it was last year. Blah. [02:08] http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7502/1.html [02:08] init[3]: that was a nice interview to read [02:08] :) [02:08] temp_ (n=temp@61.43.249.4) left irc: "Leaving" [02:09] i was shocked to read certain facts ;) [02:09] such as? [02:10] Atention everybody [02:10] 48 yrs 0_o [02:10] Slackware 13.0 has been released :D [02:11] but that's not so fresh news :p [02:12] thanks for sharing [02:12] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:13] Quiznos: hey, if you're actually interested, I found my Fuse diff that implements direct_io (the same patch I mailed to the author last year) [02:14] Urchlay: i'm interested ;) [02:14] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:14] poofo: pastebinning a diff OK with you, or shall I email? [02:14] pastebin is ok [02:15] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.21.139) joined ##slackware. [02:15] http://dpaste.com/89392/ [02:16] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [02:16] that's a diff against the development version, 0.09_3, here: http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/D/DP/DPAVLIN/Fuse-0.09_3.tar.gz [02:16] mhm, thanks mate [02:16] ;) [02:16] (pretty sure it won't apply cleanly to 0.09 [02:16] MrDusty (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) joined ##slackware. [02:16] poofo: writing a filesystem? (or just insatiably curious and/or amazingly bored?) [02:17] heh, or are you in fact dpavlin? :) [02:17] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:17] amazingly bored+curious ;D [02:19] fair enough [02:19] Action: TwinReverb is so happy for how well rsync works [02:21] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:21] poofo: with that patch, you get the rounded-up sizes in "ls -l" output, but actually reading the files, you get EOF after the real last byte (no filler gets added) [02:22] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. 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[02:28] :) [02:28] grazymax (n=grazymax@host146-14-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:29] wow nice quote " [02:30] "Slackware assumes you are smart! This appeals to people." [02:30] hey init[3], fire|bird [02:31] wow,life force is here :D [02:31] y0 lf4 [02:31] Haha init[3] yeah its been awhile seeing you around. [02:31] fire|bird: ever fix all those problems? [02:31] lf4: was/still busy with college stuffs :-./ [02:32] hey violet|freaks [02:32] er, fire|bird [02:32] init[3]: That's always fun stuff :/ [02:32] Urchlay: haha [02:32] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [02:32] lf4: yup, sure did. I have no clue how this happened, but rc.hald, rc.messagebus, and rc.mysqld were empty, but thankfully had .orig files so I could restore them. [02:32] hi all [02:32] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [02:32] hi grazymax [02:33] hey cargo|invoiced [02:33] fire|bird: Wow told you not to vim them and type 10000 dd :P [02:33] err, Urchlay [02:33] hi init[3] [02:33] y0 grazymax [02:33] lf4: hahahahaha [02:33] hi MLanden :) [02:33] greetings grazymax [02:34] why would you type 10000dd? it'd be easier to use %d [02:35] johnc (n=enthujoh@122.169.231.79) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]" [02:35] lf4: Have an answer to that? ^^^^ :P [02:35] er, :%d I suppose, [02:36] need to be in "colon" mode to type the %d command. [02:36] haha :%d would be better but its much more difficult to mess up with :%d[return] then just #### dd [02:37] lf4: yeah, but what if the file's 10001 lines long? :) [02:37] fire|bird: then you typed 100000 :P [02:37] haha [02:37] No arguing with me I WIN! [02:37] hahahaha [02:37] cncto (n=korisnik@78.3.89.137) joined ##slackware. [02:38] from the shell... :>file [02:38] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [02:38] lol [02:38] eh, hm, the : is unnecessary even [02:38] >1 [02:39] er, >file I mean (I was using 1 for the filename) [02:39] file under "stupid shell tricks" I guess [02:39] Urchlay: true # >{filename} would work. [02:40] fire|bird: You should try this neat little trick... dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/console [02:40] bash even preserves permissions with ">filename" (so you can wipe out an executable, but leave its execute bits set!) [02:41] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:41] /dev/urandom would be better (eh, or worse, depending on how you look at it) [02:41] lf4: good grief man, how crazy do you think I am? [02:41] Urchlay: Really? Now that I did not know, :) nice little fact. [02:41] lf4: you try it first [02:41] fire|bird: Do you really want me to answer that? [02:41] Eh, sure, why not? I'm bored. [02:41] fire|bird: already have haha. [02:41] cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp [02:42] that's almost useful (it makes a nice "radio static" sound) [02:42] Urchlay: Oh I'm so doing that on my system im about to format... don't have a clue what that would look like. [02:42] oahong` (n=user@218.22.80.152) joined ##slackware. [02:42] lf4: I was looking around at various music keyboards, just for fun. I found a nice one that allows you to provide your own samples and then use them as a voice/tone on the keyboard. [02:42] lf4: what, the /dev/dsp thing? that's the sound card, wouldn't look like anything :) [02:43] cat /dev/urandom /dev/* [02:43] Urchlay: hear ya...get industrial....:D [02:43] lf4 [02:43] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:43] i fixed the switch today, bad cable [02:43] Urchlay: lol yeah for some reason i wired dsp = display. :/ lol I should probably do some of my work. [02:44] haha jeev nice its always the cabling thats wrong most of the time. [02:44] stupid serial shit [02:44] MLanden: I actually wish I knew enough about digital audio to be able to write my own effects (like to use as pipes: cat guitar.wav | my_distortion | my_delay > effected.wav) [02:44] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:45] lf4: you might try /dev/fb0 (the framebuffer device).. not sure what it'd do in X, if you aren't using the X framebuffer driver [02:45] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) joined ##slackware. [02:45] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:45] hmmmm..an Urchlaybox...:D [02:45] I'll probably end up trying all these things Saturday evening. lol [02:46] fire|bird: you are a musician ? [02:47] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-52-200.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:47] MLanden: have you ever looked at LADSPA? it's got guitar-effect-like filters, can be used like what I'm talking about... I once managed to figure out how to get LADSPA to make my voice sound like a Dalek from Dr. Who [02:47] Action: lf4 goes to creating tickets and logging. bbl [02:47] arenics (n=arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:47] deco: no, but I love music and have been slowly trying to learn to play the keyboard. :) [02:47] but, eh, there was no "make my voice sound British" effect :( [02:47] lol [02:47] fire|bird: cool:D i played guitar for 6 years but my skills are really rusty now :P i have to start again [02:48] prince harry british of geigo gecko british? [02:48] Urchlay: yeah,I've seen that...lot of cool filters [02:48] deco: cool. [02:48] o/~ It's a nice day to... start again! o/~ [02:48] (one of the cover bands I'm in, is doing a couple of Billy Idol tunes...) [02:48] Urchlay: nice :D [02:48] what is the official way to refer to the geicko gecko's accent, cockney? [02:49] Action: lf4 <-- Guitar, trumpet, piano, drums [02:49] those songs are pretty easy for everyone but the singer :) [02:49] mancha: eh, I've never heard what you're asking about (I don't watch TV with commercials in it), does it sound "lower-class" or "upper-crust"? [02:49] lf4: wow, multi-instrumental. :P [02:50] lf4: dood, you're not that guy Mike from my old band in about 1994, are you? [02:50] Action: jeev piano will make everyone here think im mozart [02:50] lol, or Beethoven [02:50] (I know you're not Mike, but he plays all the above too. Weird coincidence...) [02:51] fire|bird: i can send you a guitar demo i did long time ago just for fun :P [02:51] Urchlay: coincidence? no, it's the same guy, he just shaved his beard off. [02:52] heh [02:52] Urchlay [02:52] that's not a coinkidink [02:52] haha [02:52] there are a lot of talented multi-instrument musicians [02:52] jeeez [02:52] can't be him, Mike was over here playing drums 2 days ago, pretty sure lf4's in Utah... [02:52] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [02:52] jeev: oh gosh, now I got that song in my head from some tv show many years ago. :P [02:52] jeev: well, yeah, but the same 4 instruments? [02:52] what song [02:52] Urchlay, are you kidding me ? [02:53] it's not like he said occarina, basoon, drums and trombone [02:53] I mean, Prince plays all of the above, plus 37 others I guess [02:53] jeev: I can't think of the name of it now, some tv show. [02:53] he said 4 of the most common instruments [02:53] i can play any instrument i bet [02:53] i just cant hold a guitar right [02:53] lol [02:53] i mean i cant fiddle my fingers on them [02:53] haha [02:53] I can make *some* kind of sound come out of any instrument :) [02:53] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [02:53] my attempt to play a trombone would have made a good "elephant fart" sound effect... [02:53] no, i'm amazing with sound, i'm dyslexic with notes and everything else [02:53] Urchlay: but whether it's music is debatable? :P [02:53] my stereo and my computer both play music well [02:54] fire|bird, this is america [02:54] people sneeze on painted hands, it hits a piece of pape [02:54] paper [02:54] they call it art, why cant the same happen with music [02:54] jeev: actual dyslexia, like you see stuff reversed or whatever? [02:54] hahahaha [02:54] jeev: good point [02:54] Urchlay: nah, his eyes are just crooked. [02:54] not actual, mostly that i'm impatient and can care less about notes [02:54] :P [02:54] i always wanna do what i wanna do [02:55] I wanna do what I wanna do too, but sometimes what I wanna do is learn something that takes more than 60 seconds to figure out... [02:55] why dont you find out [02:55] if you can play, you can learn the theory stuff [02:55] why my gas always comes when there are people around [02:55] that's what i wanna know [02:57] eh, I don't even know what kind of doctor you should see, to find that out [02:57] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: Client Quit [02:57] one who majored in psychiatry and minored in gastrowhatever [02:58] gastrology? is that a word? [02:58] gastroenterology or thereabouts [02:58] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:58] a proctologist or Gastroenterologist [02:58] Fslacker (n=root@41.232.163.185) joined ##slackware. [02:59] jeev: get a colonoscopy [02:59] hi guys [02:59] im skurred [02:59] gastroenterology was the one I was thinking of, but couldn't remember [02:59] jeev: eh, they knock you out first. :P [02:59] scared that they might find the gerbil? [02:59] anybody here faced a problem after fresh install for slackware 13 with akonadi? [02:59] antiwire: hahaha [02:59] Fslacker: be more specific? [02:59] lol,antiwire [03:00] I couldn't resist and now, oddly enough, I actually feel bad. [03:00] antiwire: no need to feel bad, it was funny. :) [03:00] fire|bird, not interested in having things up my bum [03:00] lol [03:00] jeev: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1650 [03:00] fire|bird, I can't run kopete, and the reason is akonadi aren't work probably . I tried everything , and I changed mysql.conf in /usr/local/akonadi , but didn't fixit [03:00] antiwire: How's that keyboard doing? [03:01] heh deco [03:01] that's an every day thing for me [03:01] fire|bird: Still on the spare. I'll give the soaked one another day [03:01] Fslacker: I haven't experienced that at all. [03:01] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [03:01] jeev: :P [03:01] humm..... then I guess i'm unlucky :D [03:02] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:02] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [03:03] fire|bird, did you changed anything in akonadi conf ? or it just work after installing ? [03:04] Fslacker: /usr/local? eh, are you using the akonadi that comes with slackware 13? because it shouldn't be using /usr/local for anything [03:04] Fslacker: Everything just worked here. [03:04] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] (I don't even know WTF akonadi is, but *nothing* in a full install uses /usr/local, that's pretty much a rule) [03:05] Urchlay, I typed it wrong sorry. I was meant : $home/local/share/akonadi/ [03:05] hm. Looking at usr/share/config/akonadi/mysql-global.conf [03:05] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [03:05] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [03:05] it mentions $HOME/.config/akonadi/mysql-local.conf [03:05] Urchlay: http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/ [03:06] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:07] fire|bird: looking at the package description, it's kinda light on detail (or anyway, it's written in very broad, general terms) [03:08] PIM storage service... is it a... daemon? a .so library? standalone executables... "It will provide a unique desktop wide object identification and retrieval." ...what does "object" mean in this context? [03:08] almost looks like it was written by Sun's marketing department :) [03:09] anyway, beside the point I guess [03:09] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A29E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:10] fire|bird: Haha I'm looking at learning the saxophone soon. Urchlay Haha nope my brothers name is Michael(mike) ;) [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:11] you like blowing on things [03:12] jeev: i like fingering things ;-) [03:12] hmm [03:12] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:12] fire|bird, thanks man it was a lame mistake from me! I didn't change the mysql dir for it :) [03:13] fire|bird, i need to rant to you in offtopic [03:13] Fslacker (n=root@41.232.163.185) left irc: "Leaving" [03:13] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.60.119.54) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:14] jeev: Thats crazy talk... I like everything ;D [03:14] that's so freaking weird [03:14] they burried michael jackson in my city [03:14] scary [03:15] i think everything that happened to him was for monies [03:16] No... never. :/ [03:16] yea man [03:16] I like the Robot Chicken theory [03:16] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:16] if there was money for a poor family to say they saw me hanging out with gay people, they'd say it for the monies [03:17] Action: slackytude is on kde 4 now [03:17] the real Michael Jackson was kidnapped by aliens right after Thriller came out, and replaced with an evil alien clone that did all the child-molesting and skin-bleaching [03:17] y0 slackytude [03:17] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [03:17] still no seperate X sessions per monitor but it kinda works with my setup now [03:17] Urchlay: Was it a sink? lol [03:17] i cant believe he wanted to try to be white [03:17] greeetings, btw [03:17] y0 fire|bird [03:17] y0 slackytude [03:18] Action: slackytude waves at lf4 and Urchlay [03:18] y0 MLanden [03:18] slackytude [03:18] slackytude: what do you think of kde4? [03:18] well, its no win7 but its better than kde 3.5 [03:18] not sure if it beats xfce yet [03:18] hey slackytude hows work going? [03:18] lf4, oh, Im still alive despite my colleagues [03:18] slackytude: completely separate X sessions, not just separate non-xinerama'ed screens running under the same X server? (as in, one is DISPLAY=:0.0 and the other's :0.1)? [03:19] lf4, how are you? [03:19] slackytude: Good to hear, doing alright I really just need to get this report done for work and then start creating tickets. [03:19] slackytude: :P, you're really liking win7 eh? [03:19] Urchlay, seperate X sessions per monitor. [03:19] Urchlay, completly seperate [03:19] Urchlay, doesnt work with kde4 for me [03:20] fire|bird, maybe I just like the comp its running on, its fast. but yeah, win7 is nice [03:20] lf4, bah reports [03:20] slackytude: yeah, win7 is nice, I have to agree there. [03:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:20] lol my thoughts exactly. [03:21] wtf is lancelot and why is it eating my cpu [03:21] slackytude: lancelot is the kde menu in kde4 [03:22] slackytude: you weren't suppost to see that... darn it. *remotes to slackytude's computer and changes the proccess name*. [03:22] any reason it should be running at 90% cpu? [03:22] slackytude: hm. So as far as X itself goes, it does work fine? (and you could run some retarded window manager like twm to prove it to yourself?) [03:22] lf4, heh [03:22] bller (n=bller@89.47.105.62) left irc: "Leaving" [03:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [03:22] slackytude: no reason it should be taking all that. [03:23] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.21.139) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] slackytude: It's part of kdeplasma-addons (unless they changed that) [03:23] Urchlay, it works with xfce. same settings in kde4 results in a X server getting started in the right monitor but no WM. just like you will have if you just start X [03:23] fire|bird, can I kill it? [03:23] hba (n=hba@189.188.147.239) left irc: "leaving" [03:23] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl104-205.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:24] yeah, can kill it [03:24] slackytude: eh, you could switch to classic menu and see if that kills lancelot, otherwise, I think if you kill it, you'll kill the menu. [03:24] nah, just killed it and all is fine [03:24] cool [03:24] maybe some process died [03:25] wtf is nepomuk and why is it eating 75% of my cpu [03:25] lol slackytude just start randomly killing processes on your system :) [03:25] lancelot has done this before.. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196809 [03:26] slackytude: desktop search. KDE menu, System Settings, Advanced Tab, Desktop Search, disable it. [03:26] ah, thats ok then. I told it to index stuff [03:26] Gulug (n=sartori@201-95-17-43.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [03:26] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.21.139) joined ##slackware. [03:26] :P [03:27] slackytude: If you're doing something intensive, it should idle so it doesn't take resources. [03:27] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [03:27] there's only one ~/.kde directory, I bet the authors assumed there'd never ever be more than one instance running... [03:27] another tarnish on his reputation...first there was guinevere [03:28] slackytude: gosh darn it, I was wrong. Lancelot is an *alternative* menu you can use, so yeah, it's safe to kill it. [03:28] I mean, lots of window managers do have that problem [03:29] (windowmaker does, tho you can work around it) [03:29] Urchlay, well, xfce works. and it worked with 3.5 [03:29] Hmm, I like lancelot better than kde4 default menu. :P [03:29] Urchlay, it seems to be a known issue as well. google gives lot of results [03:30] I like tha HAL + xorg thing [03:30] no more, how to get mouse wheel working questions [03:31] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [03:31] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-168-78-251.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:32] mancha: why sun's official certification course are so expensive? [03:32] check it out http://www.sun.com/training/catalog/courses/SA-300-S10.xml [03:32] slackwared: you should see red hat's :P [03:32] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-52-200.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:32] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [03:33] deco $3.500 for 5 days ? [03:33] slackwared: something like that [03:34] anyway why so expensive? [03:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:34] slackwared: it's actually $2,398 [03:34] 5 days [03:34] so is there actually any good, lightweight alternative to firefox? [03:34] corte: no [03:34] deco: I was tallking about sun's [03:34] slackwared: i know :) [03:34] deco, didn't think so :( [03:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.129.65) joined ##slackware. [03:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] http://pastebin.com/d26d2ffc1 -- any ideas why squidGuard thinks that file doesn't exist? [03:36] omfg 5 days of course for $3.500 fucking unbelievable [03:36] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.129.65) joined ##slackware. [03:36] corte: Minefield? [03:36] I think it's called. [03:36] Hmmm..thanks, i'll check it out [03:37] slackwared: email them :) [03:37] I want to install gtypist with sbopkg and i get this error:emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: [03:37] john_dee (n=id@93-81-2-3.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:37] deco: I will [03:37] ilj, does the fle exist? [03:37] adeodatus: Did you install all the dependencies first? [03:38] Hmm, doesn't seem to list any. [03:39] mancha, yes, it does. check out the paste closely you can see there is the file with right permissions set. [03:39] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] what is all the ��� junk? [03:41] cat /var/lib/squidguard/db/blacklists/csmu/expressions [03:41] I haven't installed any dependencies because there not in reademe file [03:42] corte: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minefield/ [03:42] adeodatus: yeah, in this case, there aren't any. [03:42] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [03:42] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@82.225.203.40) joined ##slackware. [03:42] weird dates is what it is [03:42] also, /var/lib/squidguard/db/blacklists/csmu/expressions might reference other files, and *those* are the ones which aren't found (which means, it's a badly-designed error message) [03:42] mingdao, thanks ;) [03:43] I used it in TinyCore Linux one day ... fast and lightweight. [03:43] fire|bird: what should I do then to install gtypist? [03:43] After you build it corte, post a link to your SlackBuild and sources, eh? [03:43] adeodatus: I'm not sure, looks like a version conflict of some sorts. [03:44] mingdao, sure, won't be till tomorrow, though..4 am here, gotta wake up at 8:30 :) [03:44] heh. That minefield URL is mistaken, it says: Congratulations! You've downloaded or compiled a "trunk build". This means that you've volunteered to become part of the testing community. Helping out won't take much of your time, doesn't require special skills, and will help make future versions of Mozilla Firefox even better. [03:44] eh, no, I haven't [03:44] in slackware 12.2 it worked!! [03:44] Haha [03:44] have a good rest corte [03:45] thanks! [03:45] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-swwzuleatleolgcr) joined ##slackware. [03:45] and they aren't lying..it is fast ;] [03:45] also, that page fails at usability, if it's meant to be the distribution site: I don't see any "download minefield" or anything like that [03:46] Pupuser402-2 (n=puppy@92.0.140.248) joined ##slackware. [03:46] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] Urchlay: if you can't browse directories or use Google, it's definitely not something you could handl [03:46] handle even [03:46] Urchlay, http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ [03:46] goodnight [03:47] don't bother corte, he couldn't build it anyway [03:47] good night [03:47] eh? [03:47] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.82.80.255) joined ##slackware. [03:47] I wouldn't have guessed I'd find minefield in the firefox tree... 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[04:37] y0 Camarade_Tux [04:37] Action: slackytude is on kde 4 now [04:38] morning slackytude :) [04:38] Action: Camarade_Tux is still on openbox \o/ [04:40] how installpkg finds the extension of your package: [04:40] echo $1 | rev | cut -f 1 -d . | rev [04:40] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-wdlupyvfihxjwubr) left irc: "Page closed" [04:40] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:40] I still have to get it :p [04:41] hmmmmm, nice [04:42] Camerade_Tux 12.2 [04:42] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.3) joined ##slackware. [04:43] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:43] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:43] elderk (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:43] Hey guys, [04:43] What's a neat way to setup a redundant-roaming type profiley thing on Linuix? [04:43] Like, a system that can literally just be 'streamed' ? [04:44] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-128-215-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:44] So, you can nuke a system - and get it back in a heartbeat [04:44] ? [04:44] A friend of mine was talking about Windows Server and Active Directory and I figur ethere is something similar (and better) than that in the *nix world. [04:44] :) [04:46] ldap authentication + nfs mounted home directory. but that, or AD, wont help you if you nuke you own data [04:47] fallingdutch: can you pastebin the whole gcc call and the corresponding ld call leading to this error? [04:47] Aye, another thing I worry about is the network overhead of using something like NFS constantly, especially over a wireless link. [04:47] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-189-33-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Most of the time I'm hooked up to an external hard drive, so, either I image my hard drive to the external, or I have a script htat runs when the EHDD is linked, rsync or something. [04:47] Action: elderk shrugs [04:48] don't do wireless nfs links unless you _Love_ pain - as in beyond masochistic [04:48] NIS + NFS home dirs [04:48] So, imaging and backup is smarter? [04:48] wireless is funny: high latency even when you're three meters away from the router :) [04:48] or samba and ldap [04:48] lol, yeah :) [04:49] oahong`` (n=user@122.225.61.164) joined ##slackware. [04:49] sure Camarade_Tux, thanks for your help: http://pastebin.com/d502d60d4 [04:49] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.3) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:51] fallingdutch: something you *could* try is copy-paste the call to libtool and run it by yourself but with -lgcc_s removed [04:51] (I think it's not needed) [04:51] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@120.28.189.83) joined ##slackware. [04:53] you'll have to check with ldd that the library doesn't have bad external deps [04:53] CaT_MaNZz (n=CaT_MaN@mail.telcomsoft.com) joined ##slackware. [04:54] Hey guys, anyone here had much luck with GPT partition tables? [04:54] i'd quite like to try sshfs one day, as a replacement for samba. [04:54] slackytude: but I'm really proud, I think I made the first post-install slackware setup while walking in the streets and in the metro/subway :) [04:54] mind you, the only advantage, which isn't that important for me to be fair, is encrypted file transfers. [04:54] Camarade_Tux, heh, nice [04:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [04:55] cool [04:55] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3" [04:56] Camarade_Tux, then the call tells me that it needs the lib at runtime (during the call, already did that), will check with ldd [04:56] which means the dell mini 9 has a pretty nice keyboard but I also see two problems: the touchpad isn't great and the battery is small (it must be 2-cells) [04:56] fallingdutch: no, need to [04:56] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.80.255) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:56] fallingdutch: I have to say I can't help for that [04:57] I've been wondering... Has anyone tried to run Photoshop CS3 on any linux distro or anyone succeeded? [04:57] photoshop - what's that? :) [04:57] fallingdutch: you might want to try #gcc with at least a link to the pastebin, ask what is required for that command to succeed [04:58] Action: Camarade_Tux realizes he hasn't googled enough, let's use some google-fu [04:59] Hermann (n=Hermannn@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [05:00] how to set keyboard shortcut for Konsole in KDE4? [05:00] fallingdutch: which version of splashy are you trying? [05:01] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Connection timed out [05:02] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@82.225.203.40) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [05:03] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Connection timed out [05:04] hhhmmmmmmmmm [05:07] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] the bad part is that libgcc_s is meant to be shared afaik so, building it statically doesn't make a lot of sense >< [05:07] (afaik*) [05:08] 10:41 < Urchlay> what is all the ��� junk? // cyrillic symbols in Xterm that doesn't support cyrillic [05:09] 10:41 < mancha> cat /var/lib/squidguard/db/blacklists/csmu/expressions -- sex xxx mp3 video each one a new single line [05:09] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@120.28.189.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:10] < Urchlay> also, /var/lib/squidguard/db/blacklists/csmu/expressions might reference other files, // this isn't the case, just a few words each one on a new line [05:10] http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/09/02/photo-and-descriptio.html [05:10] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:10] quit [05:11] tuyennd (n=tuyennd@58.187.33.250) left irc: "leaving" [05:15] oh, installpkg runs ldconfig too [05:15] squid -k reconfigure [05:15] Action: Camarade_Tux removes the ldconfig call from the boot scripts [05:16] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-168-78-251.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:17] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.151) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:19] is there anyway to map mouse buttons in kde4? like minimize windows on mousebutton 5? [05:20] oahong``` (n=user@122.225.61.164) joined ##slackware. [05:20] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [05:20] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.6) joined ##slackware. [05:20] should be. but it would be a hal thing now, I think [05:20] oddsock (n=me@adsl-60-7.teol.net) joined ##slackware. [05:21] edschill1beeckx (n=stephen@87-194-125-249.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:24] edschillebeeckx (n=stephen@87.194.125.249) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:25] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A29E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:26] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A29E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:26] Camarade_Tux, sorry had someone at the door, back [05:26] thought the same about gcc_s [05:27] cncto1 (n=korisnik@78-3-65-134.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [05:27] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:27] the version is the newest 0.3.13 [05:27] but gcc_s is one of those things people outside of gcc don't know much about [05:28] will now run the command without -lgcc_s and pastebin it and also the output of ldd [05:28] it probably won't work if gcc/ld complained however [05:30] Camarade_Tux, http://pastebin.com/m6e88a6ff [05:32] garme (n=garme@201009137078.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [05:32] that is what I guess, too so I assume I do need the gcc_s [05:32] cncto (n=korisnik@78.3.89.137) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:33] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.21.8) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:35] fallingdutch: but the problem there is glib2, not gcc_s, that one should be usable as static [05:36] as far as I know, you can statically link to a lib if you have a .so and a .la, it should be possible [05:37] I do have that one [05:37] libglib-2.0.a [05:37] will try to recompile it with --static-libc flag [05:37] oahong`` (n=user@122.225.61.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:38] aaah.. [05:38] good ole twin [05:38] garme (n=garme@201009137078.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [05:38] console window manager [05:38] hahaha [05:38] Action: theblackbox needs to upgrade today, yippie! [05:39] s/needs/"needs" [05:39] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:39] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:39] nyRednek (n=yosi@68.25.227.57) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:39] oahong``` (n=user@122.225.61.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:39] Camarade_Tux: otoh a .a file is just an archive of object files, so not yet linked, should be no need to recompile it [05:39] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:40] kozandr (n=kozandr@92.243.174.247) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:40] misspwn (n=misspwn@70.41.16.81) joined ##slackware. [05:40] Camarade_Tux, you see it on line 3 that it is a static lib (/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.a) [05:41] spectre (n=daventry@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:41] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:41] kozandr (n=kozandr@92.243.174.247) joined ##slackware. [05:42] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:42] I'm on slackware64-13, I don't have a .a but on 12.2 it may be possible (or just the combination of the .la and .so and gcc/ld infers the name) [05:42] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:42] oh crap, crap, crap, I'm blind [05:42] Nick change: GATT0 -> G4tt0 [05:42] Camarade_Tux, I did compile it on my own to have the static libs [05:42] it says it requires glib*c*, not glib2 >< [05:43] hi [05:43] put simply: I don't know what to do =/ [05:43] elderk (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [05:43] morning G4tt0 [05:44] thank you very much anyway, Camarade_Tux [05:50] goog morning every one. Got an issue with flash-plugin. It crashes when going fullscreen. Anyone the same issue ? [05:50] eddief (n=eddie@pool-162-83-151-146.ny5030.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:51] mr-S: nvidia driver and firefox? [05:52] yep lates nvidia driveras and standard ff with latest flsh plugin 10.0.32.18 [05:52] just made a slackpackage of flash-plugin [05:52] konqueror goes fullscreen but slightly buggy [05:53] disable hardwre accel: right-click on a flash object, settings, untick the corresponding box ("use hw accel" or something like that) [05:53] thx give it a try [05:53] anybody knows where/how to define the actions dolphin shows when you right click on a file? [05:54] camarade_tux, your a hero : works. so issues with nvidia only or xorg ? [05:56] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) joined ##slackware. [05:57] scheming (n=fd@74.55.236.186) joined ##slackware. [05:58] last quesion for the moment. Habe there been changes to sudoer ? sudo is complaining, but for no reason. Its just a blank line? [05:59] mr-S: afaik, nvidia ,at least more than >90% of cases [05:59] mr-S: what does sudo say? [05:59] eddief (n=eddie@pool-162-83-151-146.ny5030.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:59] oh well and without hw acc some flash videos wont load correctly, see southpark.com [05:59] Arnoldas (n=Arnoldas@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:00] >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 28 <<< [06:00] sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 28 [06:00] its just a blank line [06:00] hi, i downloaded and burned slack 13, it booted alright but when i tried to select source to install, it did not detect my cd-rom, whats the problem? [06:00] 28 is the last line [06:00] yep [06:01] does not make sense to me. 12.2 worked like a charm [06:01] actually no, 29 is the last one [06:01] it's probably looking for a /dev/hd* entry, and you may have /dev/sd* cdrom [06:01] no [06:01] mr-S: are the three last lines [06:01] mhhh ill check [06:01] http://pastebin.com/m6e88a6ff [06:01] fail :) [06:01] alisonken1noc: it used to work just fine with slack 12 [06:01] and im pretty sure its /dev/hdb [06:01] http://pastebin.com/m6e88a6ff [06:01] fail again :) [06:02] oh, I know [06:02] # Samples [06:02] # %users ALL=/sbin/mount /cdrom,/sbin/umount /cdrom [06:02] # %users localhost=/sbin/shutdown -h now [06:02] no ref to hda or hdb, all ref are relative [06:02] edschillebeeckx (n=stephen@87-194-125-249.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Arnoldas: as a check, see if you can mount it "mkdir /testcd && mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb" [06:02] Camarade_Tux, fyi: the problem are the functions used: as they use lbnss* mechanism which require dynamically loaded modules [06:02] alisonken1noc: nop, i tried it already [06:02] it just doesnt function after it boots up [06:03] I will play a bit with the setting, lets see what i get ... [06:03] what kind of drive do you have? [06:03] fallingdutch: bah >< [06:03] sony nec optiarc [06:03] mr-S: basically I think your /etc/sudoers is truncated [06:04] Arnoldas: try running 'lsscsi' [06:04] Arnoldas: look at the readme and see if passing the "cdrom=/dev/hdb" parameter works (I say look at the readme, cause I'm not sure of the syntax for the boot option) [06:04] Arnoldas: and what Camarade_Tux said [06:05] Action: Camarade_Tux hopes lsscsi is available on the installer [06:05] mr-S: southpark.com doesn't have flash, sure it's the good website? [06:06] alright..brb [06:06] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:07] actually its southpark.nl > full episodes. Takes long time to load, very slow performance and its almost like wacthing a photo slide show. [06:07] turn hw acc on, OK. Go full screnn, bye bye FF [06:09] for the sudoer, no it tells me that I am not allowd to execute the root file in /usr/local/bin [06:09] I added this line ( last line in file ): %users ALL = NOPASSWD: /dev/hda2/usr/local/bin/freemem [06:10] mr-S: can't load southpark.nl from france [06:10] try southpark.fr Its all the same [06:12] mr-S: did you use visudo to edit the file? [06:12] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [06:12] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) joined ##slackware. [06:12] no i used pico in root mode [06:12] monig [06:13] nether had issued with that before [06:13] morning even [06:14] ahhh what the save and close handler in visudo again ?? [06:14] edschill1beeckx (n=stephen@87-194-125-249.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:14] mr-S, :wq [06:14] thx [06:14] if it still set for vi as default editor [06:15] hmmm [06:15] i'll name that tune in... [06:16] ok improvement : no error is "{user} is not allowed to execute" [06:17] the file is locates /usr/local/bin with root:root, executable [06:17] trying to decide if I want to vm or temp install slack13 on this machine to keep postfix/dovecot running while I do a clean install on the machine that its running on right now [06:18] oahong (n=user@210.51.60.118) joined ##slackware. [06:19] mr-S: from 'man sudoers' [06:19] The sudoers file should always be edited by the visudo command which [06:19] locks the file and does grammatical checking. [06:19] see, I think you made a grammar/syntax error, try to remove the line and start again with visudo [06:20] quasar, mail server? Personal use or do many people use it? [06:20] Ok I will play a bit tith the file, let you now later [06:21] dive: I wouldn't say "manu [06:21] many* [06:21] couple dozen [06:21] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a5a9fe.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:21] family and friends basically [06:21] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:23] quasar, well a vm would be nice to stop system being down I guess. But I would still mass email out saying system upgrades or whatever tomorrow so they have some notice, and then do the upgrade tomorrow. [06:23] or whenever [06:24] nice to give notice that services might be disrupted temporarily [06:24] already told most of 'em.. just didnt's specify when I would be doing it lol [06:24] Arnoldas (n=Arnoldas@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:24] ffs am I drunk tonight or just have fatter-than-mornal fingers? [06:25] drunk ;-) [06:25] brb [06:26] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:26] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:26] scheming (n=fd@74.55.236.186) left irc: "changing servers" [06:29] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:31] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.25) joined ##slackware. [06:31] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.180) joined ##slackware. [06:31] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [06:31] elderk (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:31] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Guys, how's Linux graphics performance these days? [06:31] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:32] same as always, pinky [06:33] : Pso, shit? [06:33] i love how you can express your ideas with such a wide range of words [06:33] who, me? [06:34] looks perfectly fine on my systems :) [06:34] bah [06:34] why is it so hard to create custom actions for dolphin [06:34] Action: quasar gives slackytude a sheep [06:34] screw you kde [06:34] elderk : no, the person typing on your computer [06:34] quasar, -__ [06:34] ah, the ghost, gotcha. [06:34] :P [06:34] quasar, -_- [06:34] I wonder if KDE4 is worth my trying. [06:35] worth trying? yes.. everything is worth trying (except aids.. I heard it sucks) [06:35] if you dont like it you can always remove it, no harm no foul [06:36] edschillebeeckx (n=stephen@87-194-125-249.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware. [06:39] well, quite. [06:39] I don't know. [06:39] :( I want to use Linux again, [06:39] but last time, I got really fedup with the UI inconsistency. [06:39] and GTK was horrendously slow. [06:39] :/ [06:39] use slackware and all will be fine :) [06:39] Oh and hey, does X11 have monitor hotplugging yet? [06:39] ;) I always use Slackware. [06:40] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left ##slackware. [06:41] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] elderk, yeah, it has [06:41] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [06:41] Oh, really? [06:41] Sweet! [06:41] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar [06:42] Does it autodetect the virtual screen size, etc? [06:42] I've been waiting for X11 hotplugging for AGES [06:42] like, actual hot plugging. [06:42] And hey, people, anyone here miss bluecurve at all? [06:42] : [06:42] :) [06:42] I miss the bluecurve icons :) [06:42] nothing seems to have them anymore though [06:43] elderk, it pretty much is all automated now. Xorg runs fine without any xorg.conf now [06:43] I can still elect to use xorg.conf though, right? 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[06:47] elderk, in fact, every kernel since 2.6.20 or so includes a virtual machine [06:47] you mean kvm? [06:47] aye [06:47] I need to read up on how to use that :) [06:47] since these days, I've taken to running older Windows games (like alpha centauri) or testing cross-platform code in a VM [06:47] :) [06:48] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:48] btw guys, is it possible to boot from Lilo, old school MBR style, [06:49] (boot) as a /dev/sda1 /MBR partition [06:49] that is still the default [06:49] and the rest as GPT partitions? [06:49] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:49] use initrd for the mounting of htat stuff? [06:49] yep [06:49] Sweet. [06:49] :) [06:49] Action: slackytude -> smoke break [06:49] Macbook EFI compatibility layer only allows me to 'bootcamp' 3 mbr style partitions and it doesn't grok extended... [06:49] Camarade_Tux, I charge you with finding a way of making custom actions in dolphin / kde 4 [06:50] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) got lost in the net-split. [06:50] your country depends on it [06:50] slackytude: hahaha :P [06:50] slackytude: run it on windows and use an AHK script :) [06:51] oh God! walmart employee photo site; [shakes head] [06:51] foto of vw bug dressed up with Batman emblem [06:51] thats cool tho [06:52] Quiznos : it was even linked from cnn.com [06:52] heh [06:52] ok got working now.. Mhh time to spent more time in VI :) [06:52] what about all the "wide loads"? [06:52] Yeah, fuck it. I'm going to setup Linux. I'll probsbly regret the hell out of it but hey... you only live once, right? :P [06:52] It's the weekend, I can afford to waste time. [06:52] :P [06:52] OH an dlastly, how's battery life these days in Linux? :P [06:53] Has anything changed much in the past 6-8 months? [06:53] yes. a revolutionary new thing came out. batteries now last 40+ hours [06:53] x still inst working here [06:53] elderk: good [06:53] after upgrade elderk [06:53] ananke: You only get 40+ hours? [06:54] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433596.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:54] XGizzmo, it's an old laptop, from 1995 [06:54] ahh [06:54] last problem, I have an appl ekeyboard. [06:54] (apple machine) [06:55] will probably need to remap f1-f12 [06:55] honestly, i'd just use macosx on it [06:55] osx is driving me insane. [06:55] i dint know today was friday [06:55] what hapd to thurdday? [06:56] i ate it [06:56] sorry [06:56] saw him do it too [06:56] k [06:56] would IBM x/E series servers ship with Hynix ECC RAM? It has an IBM plastic tag on the chips [06:56] ask ibm [06:56] Strykar_ : sure, why not [06:56] or kingston [06:57] ananke, I'm not familiar with IBM racks, thanks for clearing that up [06:57] or samsung, or whatever. major vendors buy memory from many manufacturers [06:57] oddsock (n=me@adsl-60-7.teol.net) left irc: "Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org" [06:57] Camarade_Tux, bah! [06:57] Strykar_ : a 'rack' doesn't use ram [06:57] Action: quasar gives slackytude another sheep [06:58] ananke, I meant a 1U for factor rack server [06:58] slackytude: ;) [06:58] form even. need coffee [06:58] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:58] omg there was a sluttyduck in here and I didn't know it?! [06:59] Strykar_ : again, nothing special there. most computer manufacturers do not produce their own memory, they buy it from others. sometimes it may be re-branded, but that's about it [06:59] got it [06:59] last thing guys - does the kernel on the installation cd for 13 support GPT? [06:59] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) joined ##slackware. [06:59] or have a ko for it? [07:00] you don't have to worry about kernel support for gpt. it doesn't care [07:00] what's important is that fdisk doesn't know how to deal with it [07:00] parted does. [07:00] that it does [07:00] problem is ananke, I have ot boot using Lilo via EFI CPM. Then, I need to mount root, home, etc, from GPT. [07:01] m [07:01] problem is, /boot will be one of those virtualized-mbr-bootcamp-doohickeytitions. [07:01] :) [07:03] ananke: so, I won't need GPT support for these things? [07:04] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [07:08] commarad_tux: found teh solution for the flash problem in FF3 and nvidia/ati drivers [07:09] you need to preload /usr/lib/libGL.so.1, and fullscreen wil work no crashes [07:11] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [07:12] btw guys, do we have automounting for USB pendrives and whatnot nowadays? [07:12] bhaki (n=bhaki@220.227.219.98) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:12] bhaki (n=bhaki@121.242.77.130) joined ##slackware. [07:12] or do we need smoe kind of manager for that, say, provided by KDE or GNOME? [07:12] I never did get clear on that, but not having to manually mount would be neat :) [07:12] most wm's do that [07:12] /media/ would be nice . [07:12] :P wmii ? [07:12] and if they don't, what option do I have? :) [07:13] wm don't do that, de do ;) [07:13] Mrs (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:13] lol best fortune I come across yet: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. [07:14] :) okay, so what do I use if I want to achieve automounting without DE? [07:14] : [07:14] :) [07:14] dive: got that one last week ^^ [07:14] elderk, Write an automounter? :-) [07:14] think I will make that my sig ;) [07:14] adamk_: is there not already automounters around? :) That I could utilize? [07:14] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:15] elderk, No idea :-) I'd start checking with google and freshmeat :-) [07:15] googogogogogoogle. [07:15] ) [07:15] there are some, yes. dont ask me for a name tho [07:17] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Nick change: Mrs -> mr-S [07:20] gender bending is allowed? [07:22] hahaha :P [07:22] Nick change: adupuis -> Arno[Slack]`Work [07:22] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:23] elderk, there is ivman, pmount and maybe some others. Both those on SBo. [07:23] thanks, dive. [07:23] :) [07:24] elderk, I've used ivman I seem to recall. Works quite well. [07:24] Does it automount when it sees us bdrives? [07:24] or do I issue the command to mount just, not needing root privilege? [07:24] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:24] it should see them, but I'm not certain. [07:25] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fruakvlajfatlmji) joined ##slackware. [07:25] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:25] usually you specify in the xml (erk) file what you want to happen. Wether to mount as specific place, or perhaps run an app. [07:26] I used to have mplayer I put in a DVD for example. [07:26] but could just use it to mount. [07:26] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:26] Action: dive is losing words again [07:27] I used to have mplayer run when I put in a DVD for example. [07:27] I'd just like to have it mount the USB drive as it's label, in /media [07:27] :) [07:29] I would have thought HAL/udev would allow you to do that. [07:29] brb [07:30] imagine that the flu kills almost everybody, the survivors would mostly be like us (not meeting too many people IRL) [07:30] poor world [07:31] that would suck [07:31] word [07:31] that would also probably mean a woman deficit... :D [07:31] we'd have to eat floppy disks [07:33] nobody in the kitchen, we'd die =/ [07:35] screw that, I'd break in to the Arby's a couple blocks down and be good for a couple weeks at least! [07:35] of course, i'd die shortly after that from cariac arrest :\ [07:35] cardiac* [07:35] too much sunlight :\ [07:37] elderk (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving." 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I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature. [07:51] Action: TwinReverb takes off tin foil hat because no one seems interested any more [07:52] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:52] Btw guys, [07:53] what's a nice file manager for a lightweightish envronment? [07:53] or even, just a nice standalone file manager? [07:53] that doesn't need xfce, kde or gnome? [07:53] :) [07:53] i forgot what it's called, hold on [07:53] mc [07:53] okay, that isn't comman dline [07:53] :) [07:53] ls :D [07:54] If I want cli, I'll just use ls [07:54] oh, nm :( [07:54] :) [07:54] mc is my secret lover [07:54] and hey, people, wm-recommend me! [07:54] :) [07:54] There is rox [07:54] I see wmaker is still unupdated :/ [07:55] pcmanfm is a good one [07:55] i thought there was xfm but oh well [07:55] there's an x-only file manager somewhere but i forgot [07:56] I remember an x only one [07:56] I remember it being called xfm oo [07:57] I wonder what happened to it [07:57] didn't it use to be included with X11? [07:57] as for pcmanfm, it's okay - but I dislike how ou cannot disable the toolbars. [07:57] :) [07:57] my .xaughority is empty? [07:58] what about ~/.Xauthority ? [07:58] http://www.xfce.org/documentation/changelogs/4.6.1 [07:58] sorry, wrong channel [07:59] i hate what the forkers did to mc; cant ask to replace all anymore [07:59] they six [07:59] should be flagged in front of flagging squad [07:59] they forked mc? [08:00] i duno; but whoever changed it too much [08:00] btw people, anyone here see gtk as slow [08:00] ? [08:00] too many bad idears [08:00] implementeed [08:01] use the alternate pronounciation of fokkers [08:01] and reread [08:01] i hate what the forkers did to mc; cant ask to replace all anymore [08:02] mc forkers [08:03] >.< [08:03] when did they fork mc? [08:03] what is the fork? [08:03] o_O [08:03] Action: TwinReverb remembers when norton utilities came out originally for DOS 4 [08:03] me too [08:03] back in the day norton utilities was like ultra-1337 [08:03] Guys, is there a way to speed up GTK, king of slowness? [08:03] other than recode it? :) [08:03] elderK duno; all i know is that there are things going on that i can only hope are undoable [08:04] what do you mean gtk is slow? gtk is just the toolkit [08:04] here was DOS which had few utilities and norton utilities gave you tons of powerful tools [08:04] yes, but gtk is slow. [08:04] gtk ain't slow [08:04] it draws slow, [08:04] you draw a window, [08:04] you see it redraw everything, painfully slow. [08:04] you change tabs, slow. [08:04] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.74) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:04] what are the specs of your machine? [08:04] you move, slow. [08:04] that's not a gtk thing [08:04] Sounds like crappy drivers :-) [08:04] 2.1GHz Core 2 Duo [08:04] xfce4 draws much faster than kde4 does [08:04] ati ? [08:04] 2.5GB RAM, Intel GMA X3100 [08:04] (128mb for card) [08:05] if you're using nvidia or ati on the default (open source) drivers you're going to experience slowness [08:05] weird, same system I have [08:05] elderK: are you on slack 13 ? [08:05] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "leaving" [08:05] no, ths is from memory [08:05] lol! [08:05] gtfo, etc [08:05] TwinReverb, The open source ati drivers have great 2D acceleration on all r100 through r500 GPUs. [08:05] xhost wont let me add localhost [08:05] that's not what i'm saying [08:05] TwinReverb, Even on r600 and higher cards, if you are using a 2.6.30 kernel. [08:06] thrice`: gtfo? [08:06] i'm saying i've only seen sucky performance that didn't make sense for the system specs on the open source drivers. i'm not knocking them, i'm only saying that i've experienced this [08:06] And I'm saying I've never experienced this. [08:06] elderK: what OS are you on? [08:06] adamk_, congratulations [08:06] which is why if one person says "i've seen this" they are not saying "this is true for everyone" [08:07] you'll get better results on your intel from the 2.6.30.x in testing/ [08:07] TwinReverb, What you actually said was: "if you're using nvidia or ati on the default (open source) drivers you're going to experience slowness" [08:07] i am .000000001% of linux users, just because i've seen it don't make it universal truth [08:07] TwinReverb, Obviously that is not the case :-) [08:07] ok, then, my apologies, i should've said "you may" [08:08] I'll be on Linux soon, thrice`. [08:08] ok, no more complaining that linux is still at drawing your windows, until you've actually used linux [08:08] is slow * [08:08] IrquiM (n=irquim@81.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:09] xhost wont let me add localhost [08:09] we heard you [08:09] however, due to your rudeness and amount of disrespect, I refuse to help :) [08:10] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) left irc: "Leaving" [08:12] hello, if i am using a window manager, and i make a change to fdi policy, do i need to change run levels or reboot the box for the changes to take place? [08:12] FDI? [08:13] i told you to /ignore me. [08:13] i was under the impression that me typing startx was a restart of the x server [08:13] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving." [08:13] gfidente (n=giulivo@93-44-212-123.ip99.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [08:13] TwinReverb, yes [08:13] good guessing [08:13] what is FDI? [08:13] oh, sorry, HAL policy stuff for my synaptics touchpad [08:14] blkdg, restart hal and x [08:14] /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi [08:14] oh, [08:14] nice. [08:14] unless you have a synaptics, don't use it (just fyi) [08:14] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:14] huh? unclear [08:14] blkdg, I wouldn't mind seeing your config though. I'm just using options in xorg.conf for mine. [08:14] no i got it to work [08:15] thanks dive [08:15] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:15] np [08:15] a few of you folks had me going in circles two nights ago, but i got it to work. [08:15] blkdg, can you pastebin your 11-x11-synaptics.fdi for me? [08:15] how do i restart hal [08:15] yes [08:16] 1 [08:16] ok /etc/rc.d/rc.hald restart [08:16] that's all i added dive [08:16] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:509) joined ##slackware. [08:16] ah right ok [08:16] I have 10 or so settings in xorg.conf for tapping and side scrolling and whatnot [08:16] i was trying it at work during a meeting. and i kept trying any permutatiuon (basterdization of the XML) that i could conseve [08:17] and each time i left my wm, and typed startx [08:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) joined ##slackware. [08:17] no one here, in this # told me to restart hal [08:17] :) [08:17] learning is fun. [08:17] Fslacker (n=root@41.232.163.185) left irc: "Leaving" [08:17] and i never thought of doing it.... [08:18] normally if you change any settings to a running daemon of some sort you will need either restart or reload [08:18] with the exception of fetchmail I think which auto-detects changes and reloads automatically [08:18] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.77.139) joined ##slackware. [08:18] btw, i added that line to both /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi and /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi but i assume that i only need it in the /etc file right dive? [08:19] blkdg, yeah should only use /etc [08:19] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [08:19] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:19] /usr/share/ may well be overwritten in hal package is updated [08:19] dive, considering how there wasn't a file in /etc, should this be considered an installation bug? [08:20] blkdg, no there isn't by default, just the directory /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ should exist normally [08:21] must be pot noodle and coffee time :-) [08:21] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:21] also, considering how there was nothing in the policy file, why did / does the right hand side of my control area behave like a scroll wheel? i never did anything to it, and it didn't do that in 12.2 and it did after a fresh install of 13... and there was nothing in the /etc policy [08:22] so, like, why turn on the scrool freature and not the damm click tap feature [08:22] isn't that odd? [08:22] yeah strange [08:23] yeppers [08:24] so where did that scroll feature get turned on? [08:24] anyhow, thanks again [08:25] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:25] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [08:26] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] xhost +localhost doesnt work; .Xauthority empty; X rejecting all connections [08:30] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [08:30] Quiznos, Is X running? Are you running xhost as the user that started X (or logged into X via xdm/kdm)? [08:31] adamk_ killed; yes (no dm used) [08:31] no wm starts via startx [08:31] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:32] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) joined ##slackware. [08:32] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [08:32] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [08:33] /nick maydayjay_ [08:33] er [08:34] Quiznos, I don't understand what you just said there.... What is killed? [08:34] how many times a "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb1" can take on a 1T sata1 ? [08:34] X [08:34] adamk_ answered given to each of your questions [08:34] So you're running xhost when X is killed? [08:35] That's... umm.... Not right. [08:35] ask your 3 questions again [08:35] gfidente (n=giulivo@93-44-212-123.ip99.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [08:36] Let's try one at a time. [08:36] Is X running? [08:37] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:509) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:38] no; i kill it when a wm fails to load [08:38] So you are running xhost when X isn't running. [08:38] Does that make much sense? [08:38] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:38] yes and when it is running; xhost doesnt depend on x running to do its own job [08:40] It's an access control program for X... What do you expect it to do if X isn't running. [08:40] Bah, I give up. [08:40] fine [08:40] you people have no patience [08:40] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [08:41] xxjx (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [08:41] was that a racist comment? I'm offended if it was [08:41] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.77.139) left irc: Client Quit [08:43] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. [08:47] jake (n=jake@78.149.166.127) joined ##slackware. [08:49] firedix (n=firedix@host101.200-45-153.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:49] bhaki (n=bhaki@121.242.77.130) left irc: "Leaving." [08:51] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:51] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [08:51] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] us people? [08:52] Action: adamk_ is proud of being one of us people. [08:52] maybe he should read the xhost man page [08:52] adamk_, yep [08:53] xxjx (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: "zzzz" [08:53] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [08:54] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:54] jake (n=jake@78.149.166.127) left irc: "Leaving" [08:54] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:55] funny that "you people" would be considered racist [08:57] bhaki (n=bhaki@121.242.77.130) joined ##slackware. [08:57] I assumed quasar was joking :-) [08:59] I'd take offense right after I get done writing that ghetto clock that I mentioned the other day [09:01] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) left irc: Success [09:01] is it normal for partprobe -s to show ext4 partitions as msdos? o.o [09:01] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.77.123.73) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:02] quasar : show us [09:02] i have this error: GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: invoking List() failed for type GProxyVolumeMonitorHal: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) [09:03] i just upgraded to slackware 13.0 [09:03] is your user in the messagebus group? [09:03] xxjx (n=xxjx@cpe-74-75-236-22.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:03] I think that's the fix for that [09:03] Dominian, how do i do that? [09:03] output for partprobe /dev/hda = "/dev/hda: msdos partitions 1 2" .. neither are msdos, both are ext4 [09:04] partprobe -s /dev/hda* [09:04] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [09:04] quasar: there are dos style partitions, bsd style partitions, etc. [09:04] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [09:04] quasar: it may mean the partition table format, rather than the file system type [09:04] msdos disk label [09:05] Perhaps a stupid question, quasar, but why would one want to use partprobe? [09:05] quasar : so to sum it up, everything's ok. [09:05] macro (n=macro@bas5-montreal19-1279645296.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:06] mingdao : for the reason that tool exists: make the kernel aware of changes in the partition tables [09:06] hello, I would like to know if I can install slackware 13 via http/ftp using a 12.2 boot cd ? [09:06] mingdao: beacuse I just removed a partition and didn't feel like rebooting (on /dev/hdb) .. and since I just found the 'partprobe' command I thought I'd see what it said for /dev/hda [09:07] of course, it doesn't always work. i find that rebooting is the only way to really solve this problem, while partprobe/blockdev seem to result in a partial solution [09:07] _bruno (n=bruno@189.29.255.207) left irc: [09:07] ananke: what good is it to inform the kernel of false information? [09:07] how do I add my user to messagebus group? [09:07] ananke: and where/when does Slackware use it unless invoked by the user? [09:08] mingdao : i never said the kernel gets false information [09:08] jaskorpe (i=jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) joined ##slackware. [09:08] mingdao : and i never said slackware uses it [09:08] josefig: the proper was is "vigr" as root [09:08] josefig : gpasswd -A command [09:08] vigr? [09:08] what would be the correct extension for an xz'd tar? tar.xz? [09:08] yes [09:09] josefig : gpasswd -A youruser somegroup [09:09] gpasswd -a user group [09:09] thrice`, thanks [09:09] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [09:09] man vigr: vipw, vigr - edit the password, group, shadow-password, or shadow-group file [09:09] ok [09:10] thank you [09:10] Nick change: G4tt0 -> g4tt0 [09:10] naming of that tool is so unfortunate. no wonder many people don't know about it, nor use it [09:11] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:11] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [09:11] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.77.123.73) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:12] hey guys [09:13] anyone know if I can boot from a slackware 12.2 boot cd and point the installer to slackware 13 dir on some http/ftp ? [09:13] sure macro [09:13] but one thing ... the kernel you install with will be different from the Slackware-13.0 kernel. [09:14] macro: can you boot from USB? [09:14] macro: sure as long as you didnt use ext4 for your / drive [09:14] I believe I can boot from usb [09:14] meh, my silly external monitor stuff yesterday was working just fine, i had the vga cable plugged into the side of the laptop instead of the docking station vga port [09:14] mingdao: wrong, it won't handle new package format [09:14] doh! [09:15] macro: preferable to d/l ./usb-and-pxe-installers/usbboot.img and use that to boot with [09:15] hi, i installed ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run and i ran the --inital. all is well. ii turned on some kde 4.2 effects. would this have been possibre with out the closed source ati drivers or the opensource ones? [09:15] fn+f7 now cycles through display ports, yay [09:15] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [09:15] mingdao: ok cool, thanks, I will do that, also maybe I can give the 64bit a try [09:15] to install slackware 13, you need slackware 13's environment and installer [09:15] 12.2 will not work [09:15] thrice`: you can't boot with it and then use dropbear or other for NFS install? [09:15] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [09:15] blkdg, If your GPU is supported by 9.8 of the AMD drivers, then the open source drivers do not quite support 3D acceleration on that GPU. [09:15] dimmerbold_ (i=dimbold@masterarms.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:16] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:16] that is to say, aticonfig --initial made a xorg.conf file, and i assume that startx would read that file and only that file, right? is there some sort of hal file that is running my card that i should know about? [09:16] v4nelle (n=Nelle@79.103.151.243) joined ##slackware. [09:16] slackware 13 + default ATI drivers on ati mobile x300 == 1100fps in glxgears on a laptop [09:16] adamk_, besides glxgears, is there a simple check i can do to see of the ati driver i installed is actually running [09:17] thanks for the tips [09:17] mingdao: the 12.2 items won't handle .txz packages [09:17] blkdg, Check the output of 'glxinfo'. It should tell you. Specifically the "OpenGL Renderer string" and the "OpenGL vendor string" [09:17] yeah you cant install slackware 13 using 12.2's installer, because 12.2's install doesnt have the xz thingy [09:17] 9068 frames in 5.000 seconds = 1813.600 FPS [09:17] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@masterarms.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] adamk_, where is the render string ? [09:18] blkdg, Also, the fglrx drivers also use a config file under /etc/ati but, normally, you don't have to edit that file or do anything with it. [09:18] all i see adamk_ is the frame count [09:18] blkdg, Just run 'glxinfo | grep -i renderer' :-) [09:18] thanks mag0o [09:18] blkdg, 'glxinfo' not 'glxgears' [09:18] ah, [09:18] fallingdutch (n=falling@p57B1919C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [09:19] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.77.123.73) joined ##slackware. [09:19] thanks adamk_ it's all there it says ati [09:19] thanks again [09:19] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:19] blkdg, Then it sounds like your drivers are working fine :-) [09:19] nope, same problem about messagebus i tried to run gsb and same it cant load it. [09:22] josefig: after you change groups, you need to log out and log in (not just X, but your user, too). did you do that? [09:22] :X [09:22] nope [09:22] i restarted the laptop [09:22] oh, that's good [09:22] what's the error, exactly? I missed it [09:23] GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: invoking List() failed for type GProxyVolumeMonitorHal: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) [09:23] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A29E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:24] hm, strange; is dbus actually running? [09:24] ps aux | grep dbus [09:24] v4nelle (n=Nelle@79.103.151.243) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [09:24] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8981A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:24] yes it is [09:24] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:25] maybe try /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload [09:25] usually helps [09:25] usually, but rebooting should catch new rules [09:25] http://josefig.pastebin.com/m5c6e2965 [09:26] in some cases i get this error: pidgin, gsb, mysql-worbench and it is with slackware 13.0 i followed the guide to upgrade it from 12.2 [09:26] rc.hald restart ? [09:27] but reboot is much safer [09:27] I think he already did reboot [09:27] (or rather you don't have to think too much ;) ) [09:27] i already rebooted and same [09:27] are hal and dbus properly running? [09:27] yep [09:27] how do you know? [09:28] I don't really know much more on how gvfs handles its dbus integration, sorry :( [09:28] (once hal wasn't working even though rc.hald seemed to be successful) [09:28] I figured "install, reload the rules, enjoy" would be enough ;) [09:28] uhm [09:28] hal shouldn't matter in this case - it's dbus that's spitting out errors [09:29] looks like somebody beat me to it with my texmaker slackbuild :-| [09:30] thrice`: I meant that the rc. script can return successfully but hal hadn't [09:30] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Camarade_Tux, so, what you recommend me ? [09:30] one way to see: josefig 'ps aux | grep hald' [09:31] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [09:31] http://josefig.pastebin.com/d270d9e26 [09:31] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:32] looks like it is then ;-) [09:34] damn, setting up hardware RAID on 13 is cake [09:34] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [09:35] its been cake for quite some time [09:35] this raid business sounds appealing [09:35] diabolix (n=jsoyke@206.210.81.55) joined ##slackware. [09:36] since everything changed to mdadm from raidtools or whatever it was [09:36] so what is this messagebus group then? [09:37] I know for wicd you need to be in netdev to clear dbus errors [09:37] cat /etc/group [09:37] maybe there's another group for gvfs [09:37] spook, yeah I know how to check it, just wondering what needs us to be in it [09:38] dive, i don't what to do then :/ [09:38] I'm not in it and haven't had any dbus problems [09:38] dive: the usual suspects, power etc is usually enough [09:38] josefig, out of interest what is output of 'groups' command? [09:39] root bin daemon sys adm disk wheel floppy audio video cdrom tape plugdev [09:39] macro (n=macro@bas5-montreal19-1279645296.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [09:39] wicd doesnt need any groups on the user end, because the wicd daemon that communicates with dbus is run as root [09:39] iirc [09:39] spook, well it kicks up errors in 13.0 if you aren't in netdev [09:40] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-137-212.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [09:40] urk, odd. [09:40] dive, root bin daemon sys adm disk wheel floppy audio video cdrom tape plugdev [09:40] josefig, that groups output shows that you are not in the messagebus group as Dominian mentioned might be the fix [09:40] i usually create users using adduser and press up arrow at the appropriate step, so never really run into problems like that [09:41] i add my normal user with gpasswd -A josefig messagebus [09:42] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [09:42] josefig, as root: 'gpasswd -a messagebus' [09:42] i just added and restarted the lap and nothing happened, same error. [09:42] not -A [09:42] nyRednek (n=yosi@68-25-227-57.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] :O [09:42] why should he add himself to messagebus? [09:42] -A means that you are group administrator [09:42] damn it, Dominian said -A :X [09:42] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:43] josefig: why did you add yourself to messagebus? [09:43] thrice`, no idea, that's Dominian's idea [09:43] I wouldn't do that [09:43] which groups are you in, josefig ? [09:43] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:43] add yourself to plugdev but not messagebus [09:43] Dominian is a suse user, don't listen to him ;) [09:43] users floppy audio video cdrom [09:43] thrice`: looool [09:43] haha [09:43] groups=7(lp),10(wheel),11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),83(plugdev),93(scanner),100(users),102(vboxusers),103(usbdevices) [09:43] josefig: gpasswd -a messagebus [09:44] lemme login out and log in again [09:44] gaaaah [09:44] wait. [09:44] wait [09:44] what? [09:44] josefig: gpasswd -a plugdev [09:44] thrice`: why add yourself to messagebus? [09:44] not messagebus :> I was reading above while typing [09:44] ok [09:44] thrice`: er.. I didn't tell anyone how to add themselves to the messagebus or any other group.. jus stated that might be the fix [09:44] sorry mate [09:45] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.77.139) joined ##slackware. [09:45] openSUSE ftw! [09:45] :D [09:45] Dominian needs /footing [09:45] try it, you'll HATE IT [09:45] :P [09:45] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-48-83.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] ok i just added myself to plugdev [09:45] josefig: so: gpasswd -a plugdev ; then log out / login [09:45] Well, unlike most, I do keep an open mind. I use what works for the situation I am in currently. [09:45] I think every Slacker needs to try some package manager crap distro like openSUSE [09:45] let me log out and log in. [09:45] brb [09:45] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.77.123.73) left irc: Client Quit [09:45] Then you see how well Slack is built. [09:45] ubuntard.com \o/ [09:46] josefig ... wait... [09:46] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] :Z [09:46] mingdao: By that comment, I'm assuming you've never used openSUSE or when you did it was in the earlier release days. [09:46] openSUSE-11.2 - x86_64 version [09:46] POS [09:46] thats not possible [09:46] I think you might have helped me in their forums? [09:46] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-niqizcplqxulfwwo) joined ##slackware. [09:46] 11.2 hasn't been released yet [09:46] let me check then ... [09:46] If you're using Factory, that's why you have issues. [09:47] what a nice domain name :) [09:47] 11.1 is the latest stable.. 11.2 isn't slated for release until Nov. They just released milestone 2 a week or so ago [09:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:47] is there a way to check where some workstation is connecting? and the ip of that specific hardware its connecting? [09:47] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.123.73) joined ##slackware. [09:48] Camarade_Tux: which one? [09:48] dive: the same, (gnome-panel:5051): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: invoking List() failed for type GProxyVolumeMonitorHal: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) [09:48] ;( [09:48] Jul 26 09:39:24 Trust me.. I'm a hardcore slacker... but openSUSE is definitely a damn good distro even for a Slacker.. ask ananke [09:48] so I got part of that right [09:49] josefig, you will need to /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload, then restart x [09:49] The-Croupier: ubuntard.com :D [09:49] http://ubuntard.com/2009/09/the-many-breeds-of-ubuntards/ [09:49] mingdao: part of what right? [09:49] fucking ubuntards [09:49] admiralboom (n=mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] ok [09:49] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Connection timed out [09:49] someone yesterday tried to explain to me why xubuntu is a different distrobution to ubuntu [09:50] fucking first years. [09:50] spook: and did he manage that? [09:50] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [09:50] it has a different default DE. [09:50] Dominian: 21:51 < mingdao> I think you might have helped me in their forums? [09:50] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:50] wee dip-a-dee doo [09:50] mingdao: all I did was suggest opensuse [09:51] The-Croupier: no i punched him in the gut and he was enlightened to the truth. [09:51] dive: (gnome-panel:5595): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: New owner :1.314 for volume monitor org.gtk.Private.HalVolumeMonitor connected to the bus; seeding drives/volumes/mounts [09:51] same :( [09:51] yesterday I tried to install xfce on ubuntu [09:51] seems you can't [09:51] what would I do ? [09:51] spook: sounds like a good reason that... [09:51] Camarade_Tux, isn't it called xbuntu ? [09:52] Camarade_Tux, Huh? 'apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' [09:52] Camarade_Tux: you can, but its easier to get 'xubuntu' which is just ubuntu with only xubuntu packaged on the iso [09:52] adamk_: really? that's stupid [09:52] josefig, that's a different error [09:52] dive: what is xbuntu? it can actually run x? for a while with no problems [09:52] Camarade_Tux, That will install all xfce4 packages. [09:52] i guess kde4 is not the best choice for p3 with .5 gig ram :\ [09:52] xfce packaged rather [09:52] dive, spook, but it means formatting/reinstalling a whole distro to change de/wm [09:52] dive: but 1 line up it said the same. [09:52] josefig, ah [09:52] which means you can't just try two different de/wm >< [09:52] just like kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome on the iso [09:53] but its the same distro with the same repos [09:53] Action: Camarade_Tux guesses that's the only reason some people use gnome [09:53] MrDusty (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:53] brb [09:53] the only difference maybe is that it does or doesnt have the ubuntu WM specific repositories [09:53] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.123.73) left irc: "leaving" [09:53] but thats easily added to apt, or at least i hope it would be [09:53] spook: so in other words, ubuntu has various names depending on what wm they have on the iso? is that right? [09:54] yes basically. [09:55] bah, wget http://....slackware-13.0/usb-and-pxe-installers/something.img, dd if=something.img of=/dev/sdb bs=512, reboot, fdisk, play with d, play with p, w, mount your external hard drive with the slackware packages, run setup [09:55] Camarade_Tux, 'Ubuntu, Coaster Edition' yeah I like that one ;-) [09:55] be happy :) [09:55] so if you run compiz on ubuntu...wtf will they call it...or can you not run it whatsoever [09:55] dive: yeah ;p [09:56] The-Croupier, Ubuntu comes with compiz-fusion preinstalled and configured to start if you have a supported card. It's on the Ubuntu CD (not sure about Xubuntu or Kubuntu). [09:56] dive: so there will be so many versions http://xwinman.org/ [09:56] compiz is a WM, which usaully replaces the DE's wm, for example kwin [09:57] adamk_: i dont care..i never used it... never will [09:57] Your loss. [09:57] adamk_: no, our win. [09:57] lol [09:57] adamk_: ubuntu sucks and so does your mum. [09:57] lol [09:57] cncto1 (n=korisnik@78-3-65-134.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [09:57] I wasn't talking about Ubuntu, I was talking about compiz. [09:57] a friend of mine has ubuntu+compiz, it's horrible [09:57] kde4 has desktop effects that arent compiz [09:57] windows are slow to appear, I can't stand it [09:58] compiz is for effects...i like to do stuff ...dont care so much about the looks and fancy stuff [09:58] The-Croupier, wm's galore on there [09:58] in kde4, settings -> desktop -> enable desktop effects [09:58] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:58] The-Croupier, I don't enable any fancy effects. I use compiz for zoom, add helper, and negative. [09:59] Which I find helps me... do stuff. [09:59] adamk_: have you used kde4? [09:59] dive: did you see the http://xwinman.org/others.php others page? [09:59] The-Croupier, yep [09:59] spook, Yes, I am usually in KDE4. [10:00] adamk_: kde4 has the same stuff with compiz [10:00] withoutt rather [10:00] im usually on xfce, or flux, tried kde4 just for to test it...liked it alright..but to havy for my laptop [10:00] spook, Not all of the same stuff... And, in my opinion, not nearly as smooth as compiz. [10:00] The-Croupier: i've used it fine on really shitty hardware, once you turn off the bells and whistles [10:00] adamk_: well kde4 is much better than kde3 in terms of consistency [10:01] I'll agree with that. [10:01] spook: thats not the only problem, i upgraded qt and somehow i fucked up some stuff... [10:01] The-Croupier: oh, yeah, that'd cause you problems [10:01] spook: definately [10:02] spook: any other pointers for kde4? apart from whistles and stuff [10:02] anyone heard anyone talking about kvm for 13.0? [10:02] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.77.139) left irc: Client Quit [10:02] The-Croupier: turn off file indexing on crappy computers [10:02] ;) [10:02] that's the one thing they have to improve... tremendously [10:03] I have a really fast system, butit's blocked evertime I really need it's power because strigi is indexing -.- [10:04] pprkut: what is the one they need to fix? strigi you mean? [10:04] yeah i have yet to do a file search, strigi is turned off on all my machines [10:04] The-Croupier: file indexing [10:04] i use locate... [10:04] does it have any effect? strigi i mean [10:04] pprkut: thats a good point, why cant it just use the slocate database? [10:04] well, locate does only filenames [10:05] strigi does file contents [10:05] oh, no wonder it lags horribly. [10:05] maybe if slackware shipped with an indexing of a full install [10:05] yeah, what I don't see is why it needs to run *right* at login, where all the applications startup [10:06] is there no way to dissable it at login? [10:06] I just can't see the logic in there [10:06] The-Croupier: all or nothing [10:06] ohh i see [10:06] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) joined ##slackware. [10:06] slocate for the win [10:07] hey all... anyone here familure with DKIM and BIND? [10:07] The-Croupier: nepomuk is supposed to have some code to detect heavy system usage and suspend indexing [10:07] for some reason it seems to suspend strigi whenever there's no system usage... [10:07] why the hell would one see the contents of some file? my guess is if you cannot tell from the name...then you dont know what it is [10:08] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-stdacpeeuezutrqo) joined ##slackware. [10:09] The-Croupier: the reasoning behind it is, that you enter the search term 'MyClient' and get all stuff related to that term, like mails I sent to them, docs their name is in, IM contacts, etc [10:09] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:09] pprkut: so that doesnt really have to be in login then... [10:09] could be gradually during work [10:10] or partially when you need it [10:10] my point exactly [10:10] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "network problems" [10:10] pprkut: i thought kde needs it in order to work... that would be one of my priorities when i get home ( dissable strigi) [10:10] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] nope, definitely can (should?) be killed :) [10:11] i would never use something like that in my personal laptop, i have no other ppl connected there, and would no like any either [10:11] thrice`: hiya ;) [10:11] nah, not killed, just...optimized :) [10:11] I disable it completely in kde4 [10:11] thrice`: how? do you remember [10:12] The-Croupier: the really annoying thing though is when you have it on a notebook an run on battery. Before you even have a chance to disable it for that one time you lost 5% battary already :/ [10:12] The-Croupier: you can disable it in systemsettings [10:13] pprkut: i make sure i run on battery most of the time till it goes to 3% [10:13] in system settings, advanced tab, [10:13] thrice`: thanks [10:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:13] mm, "desktop search" or so [10:13] pprkut: thanks [10:14] im trying to set up _domainkey for bind, but my zone file with _domainkey entries will not load or update if the record exsist.... is there a particular version of bind that started support for _domainkey? [10:14] right, time to get out of here and get my slack laptop optimised a little .. see you guys in around 1hour [10:14] bb [10:14] its always a priviledge speaking with you all ;) [10:14] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-niqizcplqxulfwwo) left ##slackware. [10:14] thrice`: <3 you [10:15] erm [10:15] nvm wrong tab [10:15] typo? [10:15] yeah, gay :\ [10:15] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:15] oh, *phew*. k [10:15] e [10:15] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:15] There's nothing wrong with *some* gayness in slackers :D [10:15] that does it [10:15] Action: dive shoots mr_patterson in the foot [10:16] someone was itching for one [10:16] lol [10:16] Action: mr_patterson asks dive (nicely) to kiss his foot, the one that was shot. [10:16] haha [10:16] thrice`: i meant to say i ESPECIALLY love you [10:16] Action: dive is glad he didn't shoot him elsewhere [10:16] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?" [10:16] lol [10:17] Hermann (n=Hermannn@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:17] The Moon is Full [10:17] spook you did not need to shoot mr_patterson in the foot, he seems to be doing a good job of that himself [10:17] uh oh [10:17] Pig_Pen: hmmm? [10:17] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [10:17] The Moon is Full [10:18] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:18] Pig_Pen, pointy finger fail? [10:18] Nick change: Stx -> Guest38557 [10:18] Does the beginnings of a Slackware64 slackbuilds site exist somewhere outside my mind? [10:18] http://slackbuilds.org [10:18] they are already there [10:18] mr_patterson: slackbuilds.org? [10:18] mr_patterson: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [10:19] running ARCH="x86_64" sh blah.SlackBuild should work out of the box for anything on slackbuilds.org [10:19] slackware and slackware64 slackbuilds [10:19] Oh, that is nice. I looked there just now, but I guess I have to do *some* work. Thanks :) [10:19] why the hell does my website always wait till friday afternoon to go down? [10:20] taking off for the weekend? [10:20] mr_patterson: if you look at any of the slackware13.0 ready slackbuilds, you'll see how they work for both [10:20] or a backfire from shooting mr_patterson in the foot [10:20] dive: because it loves you and wants you to pay attention to it's love [10:20] nah it went down before that [10:20] alisonken1noc, how can I show it affection when I can't log in? [10:21] alisonken1noc: Yeah, I'll do what thrice` suggested and just fix the ARCH [10:21] what about traffic, did it get hammered from a slashdotting [10:21] wonder if ftp is still up... [10:21] dive: it want's a hug :) [10:21] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [10:21] bad inodes [10:21] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:21] mingdao: Thanks, I've already checked Eric's repo. :) [10:22] dive: at least no one will start a thread in LQ like they did when slackware.com was down [10:22] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:22] mr_patterson: what are you looking for? [10:22] mingdao, this is true [10:22] mingdao, or when it comes back up there may be some 'where did the website go?' threads [10:22] eggsactly [10:22] mingdao: Nothing specific right now. I am basically just investigating. [10:23] could be worse than that.. just be glad you're not running an MMORPG... people go nuts when they can't log into their game to pwn sum nub [10:23] mr_patterson: if you don't find a package ... http://alien.slackbook.org/AST/ ... easy way to build it yourself [10:23] http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9696/52968622.jpg heh [10:23] ROFL [10:24] mingdao: OMG. You're kidding. [10:24] ? [10:24] mingdao: hahah That's nice. [10:25] mr_patterson: it's a template to make a proper SlackBuild script [10:25] lot's of folks could use it ... from what I've seen ;) [10:25] alien's builds are kinda..mm, complex, so take it as you will :) [10:26] but they, mm, work ;) [10:26] unlike some others I've tried [10:26] mingdao: Yeah, I'd like to try it -- brush up on my what-the-hell skills. [10:26] I guess - they can be overwhelming for someone trying to learning from, however [10:26] alienBOB has been writing builds longer than essentially everyone in here. [10:26] trying to learn * [10:26] spook: exactly [10:26] it is understandable that they are complex [10:27] once you read his scripts, what is so complex [10:27] From what I can tell, writing a script is similar to writing sentences -- learn the basics, then build and build to produce more and more complex sentences. [10:27] they are well documentated, like most slackware scripts [10:30] i agree with thrice` , they are complex. but at the same time complete [10:30] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [10:30] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:31] the things I specifically don't like are adding doinst.sh from within the slackbuild, grabbing source automatically, the number of logs that it craps into /tmp, and the way it tries to be a catch-all solution [10:31] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:31] it really suggests that to create a slackbuild, you should try to do it as quickly as possible, without checking configure options, etc. [10:31] no, it doesn't [10:32] you should always run ./configure -help [10:32] or, you might get a build without something you need [10:33] thrice`: the purpose of AST is just to give someone a template for a SlackBuild script [10:33] nothing more [10:34] is there a way to send notifications to kde's notification system? [10:34] like you can do with notify-send and libnotify [10:34] which is why I prefer http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild , as it forces the user to edit a few items [10:35] there no better way of learning Slackware than diving in head first with vim & a slackbuild template and rolling your own [10:35] I use the sbo template too [10:35] I see that it displays wall messages [10:36] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [10:37] I find the SBo template is sufficient for most of the things I build. [10:37] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [10:37] ah, found it, its kdialog [10:37] samuelig (n=samuelig@104.pool85-57-159.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Would you say that Slackware's full installation results in a (very) bloated system? [10:38] no [10:39] the only possible bloat would be the inclusion of e/ and source/ [10:39] depends who you ask :) [10:39] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [10:39] what constitutes bloat has been redefined over time, the default install is around 5GB maybe? thats many times larger than a system used to be, but people expect more in a very basic install these days. [10:40] Yeah, I could just trim it do [10:40] otoh, check out dsl, don't know what size their install is [10:40] *down [10:40] so it depends, as thrice said, on your perspective [10:40] Yeah, full is a little less than 5GB. [10:41] or TinyCore Linux ... 10M [10:41] mingdao: haha One probably can't do much with that installation as it is. [10:41] by default, slackware ships enough items to make it either a good desktop system, or a good server. so, alot of the desktop people might not want / need all of the server items, and vice/versa [10:42] I suppose it's up to the user to check the dependencies, then to remove what he doesn't want or use. [10:42] also, space bloat (as opposed to resource usage bloat) has stopped mattering so much, boxes have 120GB (at the very least) as main HD [10:43] yep, that usually works. I remove some of the server items, as well as kde, emacs, and some others, and my install comes in around 2.3 GB [10:43] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:43] for the most part dependencies are in l/ and x/ . & those doesnt count as bloat [10:43] Action: mr_patterson beats thrice` up for getting rid of KDE. [10:43] c'mon now we can't take you seriously any more. you speak of bloat and defend kde? [10:43] :( [10:44] Does emacs provide dependencies for any other stock Slackware packages? [10:44] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [10:44] mancha: I am neither for nor against the alleged bloat. [10:44] nope, something depending on emacs would be a sin [10:44] rhys_android (n=fircuser@m370436d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] i don't understand all this love for DEs. What's wrong with screen, rxvt, xorg and typing firefox &? [10:44] well, the gnu guys like to say emacs is the best o/s [10:45] thrice`: RMS is sin, eh ;) [10:45] not just him :) [10:45] yesyes, use dmenu ffs [10:45] yesyes: I think for the general public, a point-and-click option that's readily available is a good thing. [10:45] (me included) [10:45] alison, some take emacs to be a religion, they really do turn it into a whole OS [10:45] mr_patterson: pah, that's what i say to the general public, pah! :-) [10:45] Action: eviljames is not general public, and yesyes' system would work. I PREFER kde4. [10:46] agree. kde4 ftw [10:46] yup. [10:46] xfce or flux :) [10:46] lf4, go tiling if that's what you're doing. [10:47] I can't be bothered to make a system low resource. resources are getting cheaper every day. [10:47] Action: yesyes has a look at dmenu [10:47] kde4 is ok - still getting used to it [10:47] it can depend on the situation though. I have hoisted kde from my laptop in favour of ion3 and flux, but kept kde4 on desktop cause it's quite nice for that [10:47] yeah, kde needs some tweaking [10:47] alisonken1noc: yeah, it takes a while to wrap your head around some of it. [10:47] ftwm oops i mean fvwm ;p [10:48] its seems pretty hard to add custom actions to dolphin for example [10:48] eviljames: not so much wrap my head around it - more like "get used to it" [10:48] thunar has a nice menu for that [10:48] low resources are something to consider on a laptop. use dwm! [10:48] alisonken1noc: six of one, half a dozen of another imho [10:48] pigpen, it pisses me off that every once in a while they redo their whole configuration syntax and no backwards compat [10:48] but my setup is nice now [10:48] got around the no seperate X sessions issue [10:48] rhys_android: Yeah but I dont mind objects overlaping. [10:49] eviljames: "wrapping your head around it" is basic understanding of it - "getting used to it" is getting to where you don't dislike it as much :) [10:49] yeah, but development is so slow i bet i die of old age before the 2.5.x series goes stable :D [10:49] rhys_android: my laptop has a c2d & 2gb of ram. fresh start up, kde + ff w/ 13 tabs is ~600M used in ram. I can't be bothered to tweak it to make it lessthan that. [10:49] lf4, not the point. you shouldn't have to do window managment. let the computer do it. [10:49] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [10:49] rhys_android: True lol [10:49] eviljames, battery life though [10:49] alisonken1noc: heh, I use kde4 almost 100% stock. What's not to like? [10:49] samuelig (n=samuelig@104.pool85-57-159.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:49] rhys_android: 6-Cell, I have 8 hours. [10:50] anyone use asunder cd ripper for making mp3 or ogg files??? [10:50] eviljames: What's not to like? Oh, the Oxygen theme / windows decoration, for one. :P [10:50] Srbo (n=Srbo@84.58.192.159) joined ##slackware. [10:50] ahh. right then. my netbook is a little less of a beast [10:50] mr_patterson: hahah granted. I should go to kde-look and find some other themes [10:50] Action: yesyes likes the look of dmenu [10:51] thanks rhys_android [10:51] but I can't be bothered. [10:51] will try it out when i get home [10:51] Is there a script I can write that will do all this theming & crap for me? (good sysadmins are lazy) [10:51] yesyes, stupidly simple. you can make it complete ssh, windows, a few other things [10:51] make_it_look_go.sh [10:51] make_it_look_good.sh [10:51] heh [10:52] the first one explodes your system [10:52] make_it_look_goo.sh ? :) [10:52] god. I need to do something. I haven't even gotten out of bed yet. [10:52] rhys_android, O_o [10:52] I've just gotten out of bed (~8:00 am here), no pants yet though. [10:53] eviljames, too much information [10:53] slackytude: I thought you loved me with no pants on? [10:53] puking is not a sign of love [10:53] read my google reader. now I'm on IRC, all on my phone. [10:53] slackytude: it is on south park [10:53] :D [10:53] snL20, eh, well, Im not ^-^ [10:54] rhys_android: which phone is it? [10:54] hehe [10:54] Action: slackytude <3 kde4 [10:54] whats win7 again? [10:54] eviljames, the htc g1. [10:54] slackytude: eeevul! [10:54] slackytude: the new linux killer [10:54] I overclocked it to 528mhz. runs well. can't wait to buy a n900 though. I luvs my n800, but it isn't a phone [10:54] slackytude: its the one ring! [10:55] all geeks, go praise the nokia n900!!! [10:55] rhys_android: ahh nice. a friend has the HTC Magic, and is doing some dev on it. Looks pretty smooth. [10:55] yeah! n900 > * [10:55] you overclocked your n800? [10:55] first windows 1.1 (which I ahve on CD somewhere) .. then many other versions of windows.. as if that wasn't enough they submitted some code to the linux kernel doods for virtualization! [10:55] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "network problems" [10:55] mancha, no, I overclocked my android g1 [10:55] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [10:55] And what the heck is that animal in place of where the cute penguins used to be during boot?! :P [10:55] ah, ok - makes more snese [10:55] I had read somewhere that giving root access to a mobile device was not really legal - the manufacturers are bound by law to make certain functions of the antenna not available. [10:56] mr_patterson: tuz! [10:56] elderK (i=de98612c@gateway/web/freenode/x-llwvlvedqpokstob) joined ##slackware. [10:56] (ie: making a function that jams cell towers) [10:56] quasar: hehe It's quite cute [10:56] mr_patterson: that's steve ballmer [10:56] hahaha [10:56] Which says to me a linux kernel tained with closed source modules to run the cell features. [10:56] jam an entire cell tower? [10:56] snL20: .. Tuz is much cuter... -_- [10:56] Hey guys, anyone here know the details of booting from GPT on Linux? [10:57] eviljames, nokias (maemo) ship with a terminal emulator, and its a 1kb package off the extra rpos. [10:57] patterson, you must mean *.29, he is taz, google him [10:57] sudo gainroot [10:57] Pig_Pen: I don't know if it is technically feasible or not, but I'm pretty sure that's the concern. [10:57] it's not Taz.. Taz is owned by Warner Bros.. Tuz however, isn't :) [10:58] the transmitter in a cellphone compared to those cell towers is like comparing a bug to a disel truck, i dont think the cellphone will win [10:58] ok tuz, he's a taz though :> [10:58] mancha: It looks nothing like the Taz that spins around trying to eat Bugs Bunny. [10:58] and its not like we can't build transmitters for gsm frequencies [10:58] :) [10:58] tuz has some gnarly looking toes [10:59] mr_patterson, we all wanted a temporary mascot who stood a chance in one on one WWF style against fbsd's devil [10:59] eh [10:59] heh [10:59] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [10:59] i built 2.6.30.5 so tuz already went extinct [10:59] Pig_Pen: how about the health issues ? [10:59] His fake beak is cool. lol [10:59] I just noticed that me Desktop dir is full of crap, yet my desktop is empty. any reason for that? [10:59] yeah, tuz is an imposter [11:00] slackytude, b0rked [11:00] na [11:00] slackytude: plasmoid/containment. [11:00] that is sad to see those tazmanian devils go extinct, and that face cancer is awful [11:00] must be those plasmoids [11:00] eviljames, yeah? [11:00] slackytude: Is your setting such that icons aren't displayed on the desktop? [11:00] there's a desktop plasmoid [11:01] slackytude: yeah, the ~/Desktop/ folder is just a folder with no special treatment from kde until you create a Folder View on your desktop and tell it to show that folder. [11:01] slackytude: I have ~/, ~/Downloads, ~/Projects as different folder views [11:01] ugh. need to getup, pack. channel, why aren't you motivating me? [11:01] rhys_android: stay, don't pack. you don't needto travel [11:02] rhys_android: ##slackware might not be where you are going, but you know its here now. [11:02] http://bfarber.com/screens/%5B2452%5DTazmanianDevil.JPG [11:02] I start a job next wed in chicago. I must move.. [11:02] oh, well, wtf are you doing sitting around and being poor on irc? [11:03] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [11:03] hurr durr why are people in #kvm so stupid? [11:03] eviljames, can that folder view be minimized [11:03] |m (n=imal@116.66.206.194) joined ##slackware. [11:03] slackytude: it can be resized, but it becomes a widget on the desktop [11:03] Pig_Pen: There, that's the one that had a beef with Bugs. [11:03] i took the day off, and going to take monday off, laborday weekend, i get a 4 day weekend :D [11:04] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Success [11:04] ahahahah. I just got a reply from my craigslist house search of two girls who want me to move in. ahaha. win [11:04] <|m> ##id-slackware [11:04] rhys_android: excellent. [11:04] gogo1 [11:04] anybody knows why the djvulibre package from 13.0 does not include the djview viewer? I've grepped the whole manifest file and it's not there [11:04] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [11:04] rhys_android: they want you to be their sex toy :D [11:04] rhys_android: Are their names Janet and Chrissy? [11:04] |m (n=imal@116.66.206.194) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:05] hehe [11:05] ohnoes. sex toy. [11:05] evanton: i bet you can find it at freshmeat.net [11:05] anyway, to work! [11:05] Pig_Pen: find what? [11:05] rhys_android (n=fircuser@m370436d0.tmodns.net) left ##slackware. [11:06] evanton, no djview3? [11:06] mancha: I've grepped for "djview" the whole manifest file for slackware 13.0 [11:06] i seen that app your looking for before at freshmeat.net i just cant remember the name of it [11:07] Pig_Pen: djview is a part of djvulibre [11:07] it gets built by having an additional configure switch [11:07] evanton, maybe it is a qt4 issue evanton [11:08] there is a stand-alone viewer for those files evanton [11:08] djvulibre wasn't a part of slackware 12.2 iirc [11:08] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl131-242.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:08] I used to build it myself so I come here to ask, maybe the binary viewer was renamed for some reason in Slackware [11:09] i notice that djview3 depends on qt3 here so it might be the reason [11:09] aha [11:09] afair there isn't a published djvulibre qt4 version [11:09] use okular [11:10] eviljames, nice [11:10] so evanton, you might have to install qt3 (side by side) and then make the viewer yourself [11:10] all right [11:10] and okular is a new keyword for me, I'll google that [11:10] slackytude: what's nice now? [11:10] I have a P4 1.5Ghz with 512RAM (100Mhz) serving as a torrent box, ftp server, and ssh experimentation. Will I gain something from installing ext4? If yes, what? [11:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Network is unreachable [11:10] nick4: you will gain catastrphe at every power loss. [11:10] nick4: probally not a lot of benefit [11:10] oh no, kde :) [11:11] I don't use kde at all [11:11] ah I see [11:11] geo_ (n=irchon@90.240.195.43) joined ##slackware. [11:11] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) joined ##slackware. [11:11] eviljames power losses are frequent here [11:11] thanks evanton and spook [11:11] ext4 isnt as horrible due tto powerloss as eviljames makes out [11:11] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] oh [11:12] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:12] spook: iirc, thrice` was in here saying he lost a pile of data from power loss on ext4 just the other day [11:12] it's just as bad as any other FS in my experience [11:12] well, which one is better at power losses? ext3 or ext4? are they about the same? [11:12] er, if we're not counting reiserfs anyway [11:12] eviljames: was he using some weird settings? [11:12] People living in or near Holland, it looks as if I am going to be a speaker at T-DOSE in Eindhovn (http://www.t-dose.org, 3/4 oct 2009) [11:12] spook: but you're at least right in that it isn't total catastrophe at _every_ power loss. [11:13] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) got netsplit. [11:13] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) got netsplit. [11:13] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) got netsplit. [11:13] admiralboom (n=mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) got netsplit. [11:13] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-48-83.wlms-broadband.com) got netsplit. [11:13] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) got netsplit. [11:13] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) got netsplit. [11:13] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) got netsplit. [11:13] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) got netsplit. [11:13] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) got netsplit. 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[11:13] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [11:13] smed (n=smed@ool-45730036.dyn.optonline.net) got netsplit. [11:13] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) got netsplit. [11:13] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8981A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:13] spook: delayed allocation, heavy writes + power loss will always = pain. [11:13] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) returned to ##slackware. [11:13] I will be doing a talk about Slackware64 probably [11:13] Hey guys, [11:13] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:13] nayone here had much luck booting form GPT? [11:13] geo_ (n=irchon@90.240.195.43) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:13] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:13] alienBOB: that's awesome! I finished reading your interview last night, good stuff! [11:14] in what things is ext4 better than ext3 ? [11:14] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [11:14] Possible future nick collision: g4tt0 [11:14] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [11:14] nick4: I've heard lots of horror stories about reiserfs3, but I've neved had issues after a power loss with it [11:14] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:14] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:14] but I am not even considering reiserfs! [11:14] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-68-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:14] eviljames: so isnt there settings that dont suffer that probelm? [11:14] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) returned to ##slackware. [11:14] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) returned to ##slackware. [11:14] not limited to 64-bit storage [11:14] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-68-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] spook: yeah, you can force it to do every write RIGHT NOW, but that kills the performance gains from delayed allocation. [11:15] firedix_ (n=firedix@host103.201-252-181.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:15] danklesman (n=dankles@74.166.63.180) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) returned to ##slackware. [11:15] also, the same reason you can suffer more data loss in ext4 is the reason it'll frag less than ext3 [11:15] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) returned to ##slackware. [11:15] alienBlurb (i=3351@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [11:15] danklesman (n=dankles@74.166.63.180) left irc: Killed by douglas.freenode.net (Nick collision) [11:15] alienBlurb (i=3351@connie.slackware.com) left irc: Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision) [11:15] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) returned to ##slackware. [11:15] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) returned to ##slackware. 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[11:16] alienBlurb (i=3351@64.57.102.36) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:16] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:16] jescis (n=jescis@98.93.72.179) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:17] what, are you sure there isnt something that keeps delayed allocation on but doesnt suffer dataloss [11:18] what iptables scripts do any of you run (if you didn't conjure it yourself)? [11:18] firedix_ (n=firedix@host103.201-252-181.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Client Quit [11:18] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.74) joined ##slackware. [11:19] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@bender.elementalit.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:19] spook the potential for data loss is precisely a function of the window between writes [11:19] firedix_ (n=firedix@host103.201-252-181.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:19] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] spook: No, powering off before the data is actually written that causes the losses. [11:20] briareus: alienbob has an iptables generator that many people us [11:20] e [11:20] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:20] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-93-72-179.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] geo_ (n=irchon@90.240.195.43) joined ##slackware. [11:20] theres also spook, the iptables generator [11:21] Action: quasar prefers pico [11:21] Action: eviljames prefers nano [11:21] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [11:21] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) joined ##slackware. [11:22] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.25) left irc: [11:22] eviljames: I actually just looked at that same one, though on a different site. interesting. [11:22] briareus: if you're very nice i ccan whip you up a working ruleset [11:23] geo_ (n=irchon@90.240.195.43) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:23] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:24] firedix (n=firedix@host101.200-45-153.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:24] Nick change: firedix_ -> firedix [11:24] look out for the "iptables -A input -s 202.89.167.144 -j ACCEPT" line :P [11:25] NicePics13 (n=Bob@h050025.gprs.dnafinland.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:25] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl131-242.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:25] yo, anyone here use Grub to boot Slackware? [11:26] yes elderK [11:26] more like the -A forward -m tcp --dport 80 -j accept and -A prerouting forward to lemonparty [11:27] elderK: its in /extra but lilo is very nice and will do almost everything you need with much less hassle [11:27] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-68-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:27] lemonparty is gross [11:27] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [11:28] but in all seriousness i'll make you a working iptablles ruleset without any trapdoors [11:28] well aye spook, except boot from gpt :) [11:28] evanton: did you just get rick-rolled??? [11:28] elderK: gpt? [11:28] elderK: I do, but it's Solaris grub [11:29] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: [11:29] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:31] true. [11:31] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [11:32] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:33] NicePics13 (n=Bob@h050025.gprs.dnafinland.fi) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:33] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) left irc: Connection timed out [11:33] Pig_Pen: I know about lemonparty for years, but I learned about it here, in this channel :-) [11:34] have you seen 2 gurls 1 cup evanton? [11:35] Pig_Pen: not that man. [11:35] stop teaching me bad things :-) [11:35] loool. [11:36] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:36] dont watch that video, it will make you gouge your eyes out with a rusty spoon [11:37] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [11:37] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [11:37] and then your loved ones will be made to watch the video of you gouging your eyes out with the rusty spoon. [11:37] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.26) joined ##slackware. [11:38] CaT_MaNZz (n=CaT_MaN@mail.telcomsoft.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:38] but they won't be able to see the original video [11:38] I've got djview4 built and installed [11:38] thanks for the hints, guys [11:39] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:39] I was trying to copy/paste that iptable firewall generator's result but I run out of bufferspace. is that a system setting or a terminal setting (I'm using aterm)? I see aterm has a -sl buffer increase function, but I dont know if thats what I'm looking for [11:39] djview4 is qt4 happy? [11:39] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@bender.elementalit.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [11:39] yup, djview wont build without qt4/qmake [11:40] bri, just send the output to a file. $ firewall_generator > myrules.txt [11:40] I had to pass QTLIB=/usr/lib/qt, because I have both qt4 and qt3 installed and it complained [11:40] mythtv q4 isnt stable yet :sadface: [11:40] djview4 seems to work [11:40] evanton, good deal. [11:41] mancha: it's on a webpage with an .index.php url, not something I can really grab [11:41] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.7.214) joined ##slackware. [11:41] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:41] hm, all I need now is a way to have grub2 ready for when I'm installing Slackware 13. [11:41] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [11:42] mancha: I ended up doing it in three bites. [11:43] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-68-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [11:43] but it seems like my buffer is dminished, that's why I was asking if its a system setting or a terminal one. I'm guessing terminal, but that wouldn't explain why I could grab something that size in the paste [11:43] if you're installing from an archive on your harddrive you might be able to get grub2 in the install setup, other than that you would have to remaster the ISO [11:43] in the past* [11:43] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:43] also, there is this statement in the firewall script itself: [11:44] # chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall [11:44] # Slackware Linux will then automatically run this script [11:44] # with the "start" parameter. [11:44] ...start parameter? [11:44] /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall start [11:44] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.78.187) joined ##slackware. [11:44] oh, duh, ok [11:44] i am sure the script has a case statement for $1's value [11:45] I'm about to do something I've always wanted to but always advised against... it includes an rm -rf, as a hint :D [11:45] or some if-else setup or summit [11:45] I don't know what that means [11:45] how can I make it start every time. put it in rc.local? [11:45] what part of automatically didn't you like? [11:46] I didn't think it meant it would persist past a reboot [11:46] briareus: do you want me to write you a ruleset? i'm kinda bored [11:46] briareus: rc.inet2 runs rc.firewall on every start up [11:46] provided that rc.firewall exists and is +x [11:46] firedix (n=firedix@host103.201-252-181.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [11:46] only if it is +x [11:46] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.74) left irc: Success [11:46] spook: no that's ok, but thank you much [11:46] it cant be +x if it doesnt exist [11:46] eviljames: ah, cool [11:46] its +x I just did it [11:47] rightso saying "only if it is +x" is enough [11:47] the "if it exists" becomes redundant [11:47] yup :) [11:48] but repeating the same thing thats already been said is also redundant :P [11:48] yes, repeating things over again is indeed redundant [11:48] Yeah, you guys took 10 lines to debate what was put into the channel quite succinctly by me. [11:48] does slackpkg clean-system keep a record of removed packages? /var/log/removed_packages/ doesn't appear to show them [11:48] repetitious redundant clod! [11:48] I think it was Vice President Dan Quayle who once said, "Excessive verbosity leads to unclear inarticulate things." [11:48] evil, you merely repeated what was clear in the scripts header line anyways [11:49] yes, repeating things over and over and over again is indeed redundant [11:49] so we're all guilty [11:49] wow, #slackware-politics fial [11:49] *fail [11:49] If only there were some way to repeat this conversation from the top, correcting all the mistakes we've made [11:49] Necos: There's a slackware-politics? [11:49] Necos: I thought all that jazz was directed to ##slackofftopic [11:49] if i were to do this all over again i would.... [11:50] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@pool-173-75-174-34.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [11:50] howdy all. [11:50] I installed msql package. When compiled C code I get error http://mikronet.pastebin.com/m546c0ffe [11:50] agentc0re: moarning. [11:50] i iz on vaction [11:50] srecko: uh. what msql package? [11:50] heya agentc0re [11:51] nice vacation [11:51] agentc0re: \o/ [11:51] Necos: :P [11:51] srecko: and for what version of slackware? [11:51] agentc0re: for me a vacation means no computer time. [11:51] Necos: i'm typing on this damned netbook keyboard. [11:51] eviljames: heh. was just getting on to play around before food shows up. [11:52] v10.2 - mysql-5.0.67-i486-1 [11:52] srecko: upgrade to perhaps a slackware release that isnt 5 or so years old? [11:52] geo_ (n=irchon@90.240.195.43) joined ##slackware. [11:53] wtf, ubuntu fails miserably in a vm for me... what's another modern gnome-based distro that I can test bluetooth with? [11:53] ups ,, mysql-5.0.81-i486-1gds [11:53] eviljames, Fedora 11? [11:53] srecko: more recent slackware versions come with mysql 5 :) [11:53] adamk_: k, I'll try that out. [11:54] nyRednek (n=yosi@68-25-227-57.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:54] eviljames, I can't guarantee any success with bluetooth, but it F11 seems stable, is pretty cutting edge, and is gnome based. [11:54] srecko: did you download mysql-5.0.81-i486-1gds from linuxpackages.net? [11:54] yes [11:55] success [11:55] okkkay... take care now .. bye bye then. [11:55] WTF. Anybody seen an issue where certain windows cause the colours on the screen to invert? [11:55] srecko: we arent a lp.net support channel, we also recommend you never ever ever ever ever ever use lp.net. [11:56] geo_ (n=irchon@90.240.195.43) left irc: Client Quit [11:57] why would you use lp.net if there's a native slackware package? [11:57] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Necos: hes using slackware 10.2 and is trying to get mysql 5 apparently [11:58] right, well, I'm going to try and munge myself an acceptable "hybrid mbr" [11:58] :) [11:58] should be fun. [11:58] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [11:58] :) [11:58] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:58] good riddance [11:59] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:00] eviljames, Yes, I did see that... VirtualBox, for example, did that for me on FreeBSD. [12:00] geo_ (n=irchon@90.240.195.43) joined ##slackware. [12:00] eviljames, I had to set "XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS" to 1 before running those applications. [12:01] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [12:02] geo_ (n=irchon@90.240.195.43) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:02] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:02] When I try to write a file as normal user I get permission denied. what should I do to write a file as normal user? [12:02] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] adeodatus: where is the file [12:03] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [12:03] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [12:03] chmod +w ? [12:03] in /home/adeodatus [12:04] free disk space? [12:04] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:04] adeodatus: yeah somethings very wrong. [12:05] I want make ~/.vimrc file [12:06] _bruno (n=bruno@201-93-212-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:07] adamk_: interesting, thanks for the tip. [12:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [12:07] adamk_: radeon card? [12:07] eviljames, Yeppers... I don't remember who I talked to about it, but they insisted it was a bug in the driver. [12:07] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [12:08] eviljames, I didn't believe that (and still don't), but they gave me the XLIB tip. [12:08] ah, I'm using a firegl atm. [12:08] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5af0c32b.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:08] adeodatus, Your user owns /home/adeodatus/ ? [12:08] Nick change: Guest38557 -> Stx [12:08] kget was the latest offender. [12:08] eviljames, With the catalyst driver or the open ones? [12:08] adamk_: radeon driver [12:08] eviljames, Yeah, it was all qt apps, as I recall. [12:09] Well, maybe not *all* qt apps, but the only apps that cause this were qt ones. [12:09] Well, it seems to be kde apps when VBox is running.. [12:09] I don't know!! [12:09] KPatience, KGet, Skype, all of these misbehave but seemingly only when (or after) vbox is run. [12:09] adeodatus, Well that is the output of 'ls -lad /home/adeodatus' ? [12:10] anyone know which lib(s) should be responsible for apps to recognise .png for icons? [12:10] Which means "Please install mysql devel package" [12:10] drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 312 2009-09-04 09:18 /home/adeodatus [12:10] srecko: it usually means the config script cannot find mysql's .h files. (ie: /usr/include [12:10] adeodatus, Your home directory is own by root for some unknown reason. [12:10] adeodatus: chown [your user]:[your group] /home/adeodatus [12:10] srecko: we've told you WE DONT SUPPORT STUFF FROM LINUXPACKAGE.NET [12:11] oh, I mustn't have been paying attention. lp.net?! [12:11] OHGODWHY [12:11] my home dir was own by root as well just recently. no idea why. [12:11] eviljames: on slackware 10.2, hes trying to get mysql 5 [12:12] yesyes: that was to show you that i r00ted you. [12:12] g0troot.sh [12:12] This is the first time I've ever heard of linuxpackages.net. [12:12] someone should set up slackboy to kick anyone that mentions linuxpackages.net [12:12] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:12] ohnoes! [12:12] adamk_: i'm glad. [12:12] Action: eviljames kicks Pig_Pen (mentioning the verboten) [12:12] hmmm [12:13] linuxpackages.net makes dirty packages on unclean systems [12:13] Pig_Pen: among other things [12:13] what#s wrong with lp.net - poor quality control? i used it a number of years ago i believe. [12:13] like yucky [12:13] I read somewhere that there was actual malicious packages on that site, but it was a couple of years ago. [12:13] ah [12:13] there is plenty wrong with lp.net... i.e., a lot of packages don't even have slackbuilds [12:13] i see [12:13] eviljames: To which group must belong a user to write files? [12:13] eviljames: you're a malicious package! [12:14] adeodatus: uh... [12:14] so you don't even know how it's built [12:14] adeodatus: you need to have write permission for the file, or the directory to create a file [12:14] agentc0re, he isn't even a package... just a malicious blob :P [12:14] agentc0re: I certainly am the maintainer of a malicious package. I definitely like it rough. [12:14] lol [12:14] Oooh... Sounds like fun. [12:14] adeodatus: in general, your user should be the owner for your home directory [12:14] Action: yesyes slowley moves awway from eviljames's evil package [12:15] adeodatus: i recommend you read up on unix/linux file permissions. [12:15] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:15] thanks guy!! [12:15] slackbuilds.org is better, because you HAVE to build your own packages on YOUR system so that makes for a failsafe sytem because if something is wrong it would finish building leaving you with broken packages [12:15] Pig_Pen: exactly [12:15] also the builds are well vetted [12:15] /s/would/wont [12:15] eviljames: you know... i'm thinking.. There are quite a few new faces in here right now. I think they might need to be introduced to the one and only... [12:15] you know you'll only get quality stuff from slackbuilds.org [12:16] http://timecube.com [12:16] adeodatus: It might help if you visit http://timecube.com [12:16] agentc0re: very yes. [12:16] configuring wireless ZyXEL G-202 USB... from rc.inet1.conf... starting network interfaces... nothing! wtf...? [12:16] rc.inet1.conf ---> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/265045/ [12:16] shell log ---> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/265048/ [12:16] bah.. I was hoping for booya [12:16] quasar: lmao! [12:16] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] quasar??? :OO [12:16] nannes: check dmesg [12:16] spook: shall I paste it? [12:17] agentc0re: I hope you logged the names of the variuos timecube brewery beers.. [12:17] s/variuos/various/ [12:17] quasar: musical band? from sardinia? [12:17] in a pastebin that i'm not alergic to yes [12:17] eviljames: i did. :D [12:17] nannes: you dont want to know, trust me [12:17] saved them in an email. [12:17] lol [12:17] spook: auahauha [12:17] *phew* becaues I didn't. This is the greatest idea known to mankind. We need to secure distribution channels that put our brew on every college campus in the country! [12:18] nannes: not a joke. [12:18] Do you think that there's copyright infringement on this sort of thing? Should some of the money from timecube brewery be directed to timecubic research? [12:18] on timecube computation? [12:18] spook: ok [12:19] eviljames: for back up reasons, you can keep them too. http://pastebin.com/d51c6455a [12:19] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [12:19] lol [12:19] eviljames: hahaha that'd be funny if money went to timecube research. [12:20] eviljames: i'm not sure what kind of trademark right he has on timecube. [12:20] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:21] nannes: try ifconfig -a [12:21] Where's fire|bird? That guy is the all-seeing all-knowing of the channel.. [12:21] lol i gotta read timecube at some point :P [12:21] eviljames: no thats me [12:21] Srbo (n=Srbo@84.58.192.159) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:22] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [12:22] asunder works good if anyone is looking for a cd ripper tool [12:22] What's wrong with KAudioCreator? [12:22] heh [12:23] i guess KAudioCreator works good too [12:23] spook: dmesg --> http://pastebin.com/m2be7d555 [12:23] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [12:23] bruc3 (n=radmin@189.56.20.108) joined ##slackware. [12:23] i did not install kde4 [12:23] spook: ifconfig -a ----> only lo interface [12:23] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:23] good evening... infidels... [12:23] Action: Panzer laughs [12:23] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) left irc: Client Quit [12:24] silence!! i keeeel you! [12:24] nannes: somethings very wrong :) [12:24] spook: but.. what? [12:24] oh you kneel at my feet. Ok cool. remember to lick the arch while you are down there [12:24] nannes: what kernel are you using? [12:25] Panzer: what arch is that? 286? :P [12:25] spook: 12.1 default kernel.-... never updated :O [12:25] slack 12.1 default kernel [12:25] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [12:25] macavity: yuka yuka yuka derkya derkya yuka [12:25] macavity: nice. [12:25] spook: zd1211 modules are loaded [12:26] agentc0re: don't make the world police come out. [12:26] nannes: does your computer have a wired interface? [12:26] spook: no :( [12:26] it's for this reason [12:27] my zyxel comes used as eth0 [12:27] agentc0re: uhm... whut? [12:27] nannes: lsusb, can you find your usb device there? [12:28] spook: I spent 2 nights without any results [12:28] spook: yes [12:28] macavity: lol. oh man, i'm forgetting the movie but the guys from southpark made it. the claymation one about terrorists. [12:28] okeh [12:28] spook: it's fully supported [12:28] nannes: are you sure that kernel supports that? [12:28] wait, i'll give tou a link [12:28] *you [12:28] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:28] macavity: thats how the infidels spoke. [12:30] spook: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Devices/USB [12:30] macavity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5nCXUgbG6M [12:30] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:30] look for g-202 spook [12:30] was i too naive to expect compositing to work on geforce2? [12:31] :) [12:31] john_dee: probably. [12:31] s/naive/stupid :P [12:31] if it ever loads the page [12:31] naive != stupid agentc0re %) [12:31] lol [12:31] spook: only lo interfaces [12:31] s/naive/optimistic [12:32] ops sorry [12:32] :P [12:32] then no kde4. i could be sad but somehow i'm not. haha :D [12:32] spook: have you already seen the conf? ----> http://pastebin.com/m15362310 [12:32] and the dmesg, too -------> http://pastebin.com/m2be7d555 [12:33] john_dee, Doesn't nvidia make drivers for the geforce2? They probably aren't as up-to-date as drivers for newer cards, but they might work. [12:33] nyao~~ [12:33] nannes: yeah i did. [12:34] spook: so, no solutions? [12:34] nannes: just wait 5 minutes while i look some stuff up with a very slow connection [12:34] spook: ok ok sorry [12:34] nannes: whats the kernel version? 2.6.21? [12:34] adamk_: actually they do legacy drivers. the version i have was built ~june 2009 [12:34] uhm... i don't remember, please wait a second [12:35] nannes: uname -a [12:35] 2.6.24.5-smp [12:35] ok [12:35] adamk_: but you don't expect miracles from this relic hardware %) [12:35] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] True. [12:36] nannes: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw read that entire page. towards the bottom is some interesting stuff [12:36] ok [12:37] nannes: specifically: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw/AddID [12:38] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:38] nannes: i suspect that if you updated to 12.2 or 13.0 you might find things 'just work' [12:38] but you can still make it work without upgrading [12:38] :) [12:39] I never upgrade because I can't... so I'll try with 12.1 [12:39] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [12:39] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A74DCC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] giuppy (n=giuppy@host44-168-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:41] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:41] spook: doesn't dmesg indicate that zd1211rw is at all interested in the USB device I just plugged in??? I'm a newbie, sorry... [12:41] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:41] can you see for me? [12:41] I don't know where to start from :( [12:42] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:42] nannes: nothing shows up in dmesg to suggest that zd1211rw detected your device [12:42] lol... [12:42] so, if I follow that guid [12:42] e [12:42] it should. [12:43] I probably need to add the ID to the driver [12:43] ok [12:43] thats why i link that to you. [12:45] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:46] OOOOORGH what the fag [12:46] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [12:46] I didn't plug the drive IN [12:46] LOOOOOOOOL [12:47] ifconfig -a shows eth0 && lo [12:47] wow. [12:47] spook: [12:47] so you lied when i asked if you checked with lsusb [12:47] good job. [12:47] :P [12:47] spook: noo [12:47] I guess that means it is officially September [12:47] because yesterday it worked [12:47] so I don't lie spook [12:48] I'm moving from a room to another one all the time.... I'm a bit confused [12:48] yea yea [12:48] antiwire: "wake me up when september ends"? [12:48] nannes: no, you lied. i asked you to check lsusb. [12:48] I was plugging in USB storage to paste you commands [12:48] macavity: heh [12:48] anyhow.. l8r [12:49] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [12:49] spook: I checked it yesterday, so I told you the real [12:49] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] *your commands [12:49] will the real slim shady please stand up [12:49] so I didn't remember to RE-PLUG IN the zyxel [12:49] nannes: i have no patience for people like you. goodbye. [12:49] Action: Necos sits down [12:49] lol [12:50] spook: I didn't lie... if you don't want to help me... ok, but don't tell I lied [12:50] nannes: damn it man. it took us like 4 years to get spook to speak from since the last time this happened [12:51] yeah, the booze and hookers didn't even work... even tho he stole all the booze and scared away all the hookers [12:51] agentc0re: haha, i just ignored him. only person whos actually trying to help him and hes decides he knows better than to provide debugging information as trivial as lsusb. [12:51] lol [12:51] which would have showed he didnt have it plugged in [12:52] briareus: i see your screenshot at imagebin, looks good! :) [12:52] Necos: wheres the booze and hookers this time? [12:53] SIOCFIFFLAGS: No such file or directory (trying to up eth0) [12:55] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.85.212.48) joined ##slackware. [12:55] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [12:56] y0 fire|bird [12:56] y0 channel [12:56] Necos: i mean, some guy pisses me off when i'm trying to help him and i get booze and hookers, but when my gf of 4.5 years and i split, nothing? [12:56] friday \o/ [12:56] this week sucked [12:56] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.7.214) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:56] 1am saturday \o/ [12:56] y0 slackytude [12:56] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [12:56] slackytude: cant of been that bad. [12:57] http://ernstfamily.ch/jonathan/2009/03/hp-refunds-520-of-software/ [12:57] spook, well, not zombie amok bad, but still not good [12:58] slackytude: recently our zombpocalypse every warning system failed. [12:58] guy who lives acrosss the road from cemetary moved house [12:58] oh [12:58] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:58] spook: you mean lf4 ? [12:59] why did he move his house? and how? [12:59] Action: init[3] nvm [12:59] no our friend who lives nearby moved into a house far away [12:59] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:59] ah [12:59] :P [12:59] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [12:59] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:00] Action: init[3] pokes slackytude in his eyes :D [13:00] his job was to warn as many of our team as he could before trying to find what in the cemetary was causing it and possibly killing the queen zombie [13:00] argh! [13:00] Action: slackytude  [13:00] while the rest of us stole motorbikes and headed to the countryside [13:01] good plan [13:01] not anymore :/ [13:01] so you need a new sucker, err, valuable team member for that role? [13:01] I could volunteer a coworker of mine [13:02] or a webcam or something [13:02] maybe something like in dr. mcninja [13:02] zombie defence system [13:02] webcam cant hunt the zombie queen, tho [13:03] well thhat was just covering all bases. [13:03] since when have zombies queens anyway? I though that were the borg [13:03] having an extra motorbike riding member of our team is never a bad thing [13:03] agreed [13:03] slackytude: it was unlikely he would do anything of use after warning us anyway [13:03] can carry ammo as well [13:04] well, you can never be too short on bait [13:04] but now he can be useful bait. [13:05] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [13:05] dakarn (n=skas@93.68.61.191) joined ##slackware. [13:06] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [13:06] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [13:06] deco (n=deco@69.108.68.96) joined ##slackware. [13:06] omnidroid (n=omnidroi@m2b0e36d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [13:08] has any one put slack on a netbook yet? [13:08] people have, indeed. [13:09] yeah on a hp1000 [13:09] bruc3 (n=radmin@189.56.20.108) left irc: "Saindo" [13:09] can use usb dvd-r or regular usb drives [13:10] lol [13:10] coworker's watching superbad [13:10] although the 4gb usb drives are really 3.7g so don't try to put the 3.9g dvd iso on it [13:10] hm... interesting.. /home/var/log/setup/tmp after a clean install o.O [13:10] how well does it run, in about 2 weeks i will pick one up, and i am debating between slack and cloud [13:10] haha [13:11] i was acctually going toget a 32gb ssd [13:12] Pig_Pen: yeah I just configged that conky last night, I wrote it such that I can quickly change all the colors with targetted sed [13:12] cloud? [13:12] briareus, nifty idea [13:13] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fruakvlajfatlmji) left irc: [13:13] yes a distro specifically for netbooks w/ cloud netwrk built in [13:14] like, what google wants to do? [13:14] yes, very much so [13:14] got a link? [13:15] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@70-13-234-73.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-155-169-182.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:15] no, on my g1 will when i get home on omnipotentduo [13:15] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl131-242.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:15] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:16] I upgraded to 13.0 and lost to ability to enter .tar files in MC (vfs). How did that happen? [13:16] it ran good [13:16] The Cloud Linux Project is still in the planning phase and is looking for active developers. [13:16] i haven't upgraded to 13 tho [13:17] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:17] there is an alpha avalable, buddy of mine has it [13:18] omnidroid: what will the mahine have loaded when you get it? [13:18] when i get a hold of him i will post a link [13:19] on an acer ee [13:19] i havent picked it out yet, waiting to see if arm's come out within the next 2 weeks [13:20] i know it wont happen but i am praying [13:20] yay i'm back with power [13:20] grats, storms spook? [13:21] no, laptop without my powersupply [13:21] went and got it. [13:21] oh thats even worse [13:22] well i was in a dark room watching a movie [13:23] once when i was editing a kernel, my power went out as i hit the save button, luckily it was linux so i was ok but i was worried [13:23] last week they found a spot on my lung.. fortunately it was barbecue sauce [13:23] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:24] once i had aids but i had to fire them [13:24] if you love someone set them free.. if they come back, set them on fire [13:25] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Hello! [13:25] oh hai ! [13:25] y0 shik4nt4z4 [13:25] hey [13:26] well off to class, slackytude i will send you alink when i get home if you are going to be on around 1:30/2 central [13:26] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:27] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl131-242.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:27] take it easy [13:27] omnidroid (n=omnidroi@m2b0e36d0.tmodns.net) left irc: [13:27] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:31] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [13:32] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.41.26) joined ##slackware. [13:33] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] is there a tool for sending file from slackware manchine to my cell phone via bluetooth? [13:34] yay! GNU/Linux on the 2nd gen Kindle :P [13:34] Thursap: lots of them. [13:34] Thursap: obex family of applications [13:36] macavity: Orly? thats cool. [13:37] spook: i find only kdebluetooth on slackbuilds.org relating to bluetooth. is there a build-in command for sending files? [13:38] macavity, ubuntu! [13:38] kdebluetooth might be a good one [13:38] but yeah, shell commands [13:38] mjk (n=matti@a91-153-148-53.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:38] kdebluetooth4 won't build on 13 out of the box [13:39] slackytude: screw that.. we have ARMed Slack! [13:39] here is as far as i got before failing and giving up: http://slackwiki.org/Kdebluetooth4 [13:39] agentc0re: .. and from the looks of it, the pre-paid life-long-internet-subscribtion-via-3g-hardware also still works :P [13:39] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl234-10.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:40] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:40] Is it just me or does xfce not let you select desktop files/icons, cut them and then paste them somewhere else? [13:40] Is anyone having problems with X11? Even VESA makes X11 unresponsive. I have to use skinny elephants [13:40] macavity: awesome [13:40] http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/09/02/photo-and-descriptio.html [13:40] spook: hcitool? i'm reading its manpage. [13:41] nick4: what. [13:41] spook ctrl-alt-sysrq-RSEIUB [13:41] Thursap: read the kernel documentation on it, they are the ones who maintain it [13:41] wait, what? [13:42] VESA doesn't work on all cards (sadly, modern cards don't always support the age-old VESA standard). Have you tried the specific driver for the card, whatever it is? [13:42] The point is, is anyone else having problems with Slack 13? [13:42] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-43-167-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:42] Urchlay yes, I tried nv [13:42] murasame (n=murasame@p57B66AA5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] nick4: no, but I probably will be later on today when I get around to upgrading to 13 :) [13:42] I can see the desktop and then BANG the system hangs. No ctrl-alt-f2, no ctrl-alt-backspace [13:43] oh, well, be wanred! [13:43] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:43] macavity: sweet! that's really great that they were able to do that. [13:43] yes [13:43] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:43] i hope they eventually pwn the tivo too [13:43] nick4: it shouldn't be so bad for me. I'm running 64-bit -current from about a month ago [13:43] i *hate* when they use DRM to lock down software [13:43] another good reason to switch to GPLv3 [13:44] nick4, some minor annoyances [13:44] nick4, nothing major [13:44] Well, X dont start. I dont call this minor but I want to solve it. So I am open to suggestions. [13:44] *wont [13:44] nick4 are you using an xorg.conf? [13:44] tried with and without [13:44] tried the vesa (supplied) and ttied an older conf with nv [13:44] stock or propietary drivers? [13:45] all crashes the system [13:45] stock [13:45] nick4: have you tried the nvidia proprietary driver? [13:45] guys my php tell me: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php/extensions/gd.so' - libX11.so.6.....which package i need? [13:45] do you have a nvidia card? [13:45] no, no need for the proprietary one, I dont want 3D accel [13:45] Yes, Nvidia card [13:45] GeForce 2 [13:45] nv11 I think [13:45] have you looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [13:45] v4nelle: libx11 [13:45] okey spook let me do this [13:45] heh DRM prevents me from straight transferring mp3 ringtones to my phone. easily hacked -- my phone at least [13:46] nick4: usually when X is not working, that is your first port of call [13:46] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.41.26) left irc: "leaving" [13:46] nick4: in my case, I have to use the proprietary driver to run at my panel's native resolution (1440x1050)... last I tried it, the stock nv driver only went to 1280x1024 :( [13:46] Urchlay I only want 1024x768 (CRT) [13:46] the video stuff in linux is sad [13:46] spook well, I can see Xorg.log, but I dont know what I am looking for [13:47] use tail [13:47] slackytude: watching videos or making videos? [13:47] nick4: look for (EE) and (WW) [13:47] okey [13:47] mr_patterson, video drivers I meant [13:47] it will be at the end of the file [13:47] slackytude: ah [13:47] just a failed to load module freetype and type1. It doesnt seem serious to me [13:47] _bruno (n=bruno@201-93-212-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [13:47] agentc0re ^ [13:47] grep for EE, nick4 [13:47] nick4: WW or EE? [13:48] mupi (n=mupi@lk.92.63.17.252.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] EE spook [13:48] _bruno (n=bruno@201-93-212-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:48] uh [13:48] EE is bad [13:48] EE means it is something that stops it loading. [13:48] nick4: also check the very end like spook said. [13:48] ehhh [13:48] slackytude that's the only two (EE) inside the logfile [13:48] (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) [13:48] (EE) Failed to load module "freetype" (module does not exist, 0) [13:48] nick4: using your old xorg.conf? probally why its looking for the wrong font stuff [13:48] Urchlay, you get that as well? [13:48] those two errors are normal i think. i get them. [13:49] oh [13:49] those are *not* fatal errors, my Xorg.0.log says that, and my X session started fine and has been running for a couple weeks [13:49] spook I dont care much about type1 and freetype and I dont think those are the fatal erros cracking the *whole system* [13:49] although I'm kinda curious why they don't load, now that it's been mentioned [13:49] uhm, that is not supposed to happen [13:49] slackytude: yeah if you're planning play with 3d stuffs, you'd better off to MAC or even Windows [13:50] I can provide a full log if anyone is curious to take a look [13:50] I took a personality test for a position today. Those things certainly leave you with an extremely open ended feeling.... [13:50] Urchlay: i've never seen them load since 12.0. always disregarded it because it's never caused issues. [13:50] antiwire: heh, how so? [13:50] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [13:51] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] agentc0re: you just don't know the results and since the questions are infinite loops which cannot be answered consistently out of design there is no feeling of accomplishment after them. [13:51] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.85.212.48) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] http://i40.tinypic.com/15qydjl.gif naw, you do not need seatbelts [13:52] animated gif [13:52] if anyone is interested, this is the log: http://pastebin.com/m6727e752 [13:52] antiwire: what kinda questions? [13:52] nick4: did you setup your hostname ? [13:52] deco I think so, yes [13:53] nick4: im seeing darkstar hmmmm [13:53] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.86.215) joined ##slackware. [13:53] antiwire, those thigns are just scary [13:53] deco what's wrong with a darkstar hostname? [13:53] nick4: looks like some packages are missing [13:53] Setups like this: choose one 'least' and one 'most' from these and only choose two words to rate: compassionate, outgoing, fearful, brave [13:53] Pig_Pen which ones? [13:53] nick4: that's shows up when you didn't setup one [13:53] that* [13:53] some fonts [13:53] AkiraYB (n=FarSeer@201-68-175-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [13:53] a lot of fonts [13:54] Pig_Pen I dont thing the fonts are causing the whole system to crash [13:54] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:54] freetype, possibly fontconf [13:54] so you have like 30 boxes each with 4-5 words and you must choose 'most' for one and 'least' for one and leave the others blank [13:54] least fearful, most brave! grrr! [13:54] ewww [13:54] deco I specifically told the slack installer to use the hostname darkstar, I like it. [13:54] freetype and fontconf are required [13:54] most taste, least filling! [13:54] nick4: oh ok than :P [13:54] slackytude: then after that they make it so you are forced to contradict [13:54] antiwire, bastards! [13:55] well okey Pig_Pen, let me install them then. Do you think that just missing them would make the system (not just X11) crash? [13:55] antiwire, why did yo do that test? [13:55] slackytude: part of the interview, it was interview step #4 [13:55] antiwire: if I had to guess, that test is actually worthless... it just gives them an out, if they decide not to hire you ("well, we can just say we didn't like his personality test result") [13:55] ah, ok [13:55] antiwire: thats fucked up. What kind of job are you applying for? [13:56] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:56] agentc0re: voice/data network specialist [13:56] mostly commerical VoIP [13:56] antiwire: ... a personality test should you be hanging out with your potential co-workers.. [13:56] agentc0re, cant do that that would make sense [13:57] nick4, That was the *full* Xorg log file? [13:57] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.77.123.73) joined ##slackware. [13:57] slackytude: lol. I guess when you add common sense to the personality test, the mind explodes. [13:57] WHAT 9000?!??!! [13:57] After that test I don't know if I have the job now because the test forced me to choose contradicting answers and I'm pretty sure it does that out of design. [13:57] kaboom!!!! [13:57] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:58] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] antiwire: i would say so. because i'm sure half way through the test they asked nearly the same question but reworded and now the word choices have mix words that contradict from the last question that was similar. [13:58] hey everyone =) how goes? [13:59] y0 slava_dp [13:59] y0 slackytude :-) [13:59] adamk_ yes, that was the full Xorg.log file [13:59] agentc0re: that exactly it. and there was another section that was a flow chart type of thing. each box had two phrases and you had to choose one phrase. the next box would have a new phrase and one of the phrases from the last box. [14:00] adamk_ I just see my desktop (fluxbox, xfce, whatever) and then the system (not just X11) crashes [14:00] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:00] v4nelle (n=Nelle@79.103.151.243) joined ##slackware. [14:00] nick4, Yeah, it's cut short because the Xorg log file is still being written to when the system crashes. [14:00] I've never heard of the vesa driver bringing down an entire machine, though. [14:00] bad hardware maybe? [14:00] Are you booting up with a framebuffer device? [14:00] Honeslty, that lame test was worse than the other three 'normal style' interviews. [14:00] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "network problems" [14:01] adamk_ I dont think I am booting with framebuffer. How do I check? [14:01] the normal face to face interviews are much easier to deal with since you can talk like a human to other humans [14:01] you use stock slackware stuff, right? [14:01] slackytude how can I check whether the hardware has gone wrong? [14:01] nick4, Does the resolution change after the kernel loads? [14:01] slackytude only stock stuff [14:01] murasame (n=murasame@p57B66AA5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] adamk_ no, and I have a crt display [14:01] nick4, well, do other OS's work ? [14:01] slackytude just hours ago, 12.2 started X11 fine [14:02] slackytude yes, WinXP [14:02] antiwire: when I talk to humans, apparently I don't talk like a human :( [14:02] antiwire: is this the same job that did the phone interview and you had to answer questions to an automated attendant? [14:02] Urchlay that may not be a bug but a feature :) [14:02] nick4, Have you tried the 'nv' driver instead? [14:03] adamk_ yes, I tried nv, vesa, and no Xorg.conf file at all [14:03] they all cause the same crash [14:03] nick4, and did you try something else besides kde? [14:03] agentc0re: yep, interivew 1: phone, interview 2&3 face to face, interview 4 personality test, interview 5 drug test after being hired. [14:03] Urchlay: what do you sound like? a robot? chewbacca? [14:03] slackytude tried fluxbox and xfce [14:03] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:03] dakarn (n=skas@93.68.61.191) left irc: "bbl" [14:03] I am able to get control of he system with ctrl-alt-sysrq-RSE [14:03] antiwire, what job is that? do they want to send you to the moon or something? [14:04] antiwire: well time to go get stoned. :P j/k [14:04] slackytude: voice and data networking with some government contracts [14:04] ah [14:04] Pig_Pen: I dunno. To me, I sound fine... [14:04] nick4, Let's just double check the framebuffer device... Does /proc/fb exist? If so, what's the output of 'cat /proc/fb' ? [14:04] antiwire: You should walk in to the drug testing facility and yell, "We're in BAT country!" and start swatting at things that don't exist. [14:04] okey adamk_, give ma minute [14:04] Urchlay: maybe who you were talking to had hearing problems [14:04] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] agentc0re: hahaha [14:05] agentc0re: they'll freak out too when they finally see the bats [14:05] adamk_ /proc/fb exists and 0 filesize [14:05] hahah [14:05] my mom has hearing aids, without them she is amost as deaf as a stone [14:05] antiwire: those question are all bureaucracy policies made for some idiot who think that 'and' and 'or' are the same things, in the end what they actually interested in, is if you're good at what you tell you are. Just like alan cox moved to Intel, he probably didnt take any personality test at all [14:05] lol [14:06] dont forget, their there and they're [14:06] heh. If they were really *just* interested in whether you're good or not, they'd leave out the step 5 (drug test). What you do on your own time is none of their business... [14:06] nick4, What's the output of 'cat /proc/fb' ? [14:06] man, this shit is so wack... [14:06] adamk_ nothing, no output [14:06] blank [14:07] no kde4 love :P [14:07] I think the test was purposely designed to cause contradiction so they can assess your lying abilities/tendencies [14:07] Alright, so that's not causing any problems. [14:07] nick4, I'm stumped. [14:07] adamk_ is there anything else I can [14:07] sorry [14:07] No, I'm sorry. [14:07] okey, well, so am I :/ [14:07] okey thanks for the try [14:07] I think it's time to post in the forum [14:07] and if you're real good a lying they give you a job in public relations [14:07] I've just never heard of X bringing down the entire system when using the vesa driver. [14:07] nick4: did you install the whole dvd ? [14:08] nick4: when it's in the locked-up state, can you ping it (or maybe ssh to it) from another machine on your LAN? [14:08] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:08] nick4, Does the screen suddenly blank? You aren't even able to ssh into it? [14:08] Heh. [14:08] deco no, I un-selected some packages I didnt want to like tex and emacs [14:08] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [14:08] adamk_ when i RSE, sshd terminates. If that's what you are asking [14:08] leaving out tex and emacs won't have anything to do with X not starting... [14:08] ah, emacs is missing? that explains it [14:08] heh [14:09] hehe :) [14:09] nick4: thats a good way to have a fresh install of a broken system [14:09] lol [14:09] antiwire: hrm makes you wonder what kind of personality test it's actually testing you for then. Is it just testing for one kind or multiple? maybe only two? since you really can't fail one of those, you should have chosen your favorite letter and just used that for every answer. [14:09] what about in /l or /x ? [14:09] nick4, Right after the lockup, before hitting RSE, though, can you ssh into the box? [14:09] Urchlay let me check this [14:09] adamk_ that's what Urchlay asked, let me check it [14:10] The Treasury office of the Department of Finance here in the Republic of Nigeria, has discovered during the 2008 year ending internal auditing that you have outstanding fund, which has been on transfer process for some period of time. [14:10] agentc0re: it was wack; I'd take 15 face to face interview over that crap any time [14:10] slackboy, stop pasting my emails! [14:10] adamk_ + Urchlay : yes I can ssh to the system. But I can't ctrl-alt-f2 (from the machine itself) [14:10] how can i bind a key to a command in x? [14:10] nick4: been there, I've experienced that same issues [14:10] Hi all! I have problems with my Brother HL-2030 and CUPS under Slackware 13.0. I'm using HL-2060 drivers and under other Linux systems it's fine. But with Slackware, the printer wont actually print anything. CUPS is happy and the printer blinks lights when receiving a page, but nothing comes out. Any ideas, where to start debugging? [14:11] yesyes, in X itself? or in kde/flux/whatever [14:11] nick4: OK, while you're ssh'ed in, check "dmesg|tail", check /var/log/messages, etc... you might find something relevant (or not) [14:11] nick4, Alright, so the machine isn't actually locked up. [14:11] slackytude: x itself [14:11] nick4, And /var/log/Xorg.0.log :-) [14:11] yes adamk_ , it appears it isnt [14:11] well, okey let me check those [14:11] nick4: also, you could try "killall X" and see if that gets your console back (probably not though) [14:12] Urchlay actually killall X does bring me back into control on the machine! [14:12] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:12] well, cool. [14:12] nick4, So what are the symptoms of this lockup? [14:12] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [14:13] adamk_ inside X: I can't move the mouse, I can't ctrl-alt-backspace, I can't ctrl-alt-f2, I can't use the keyboard to do other stuff in X. It's like X is running but not responding [14:13] adamk_ I also can't change NumLock. Now *that's* interesting [14:13] Haha. [14:13] Sorry, I think I see what's going on. [14:14] What is it? :) [14:14] o rly? [14:14] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:14] nick4: hm. Here's something to try: run X (let it lock up as usual), then ssh in from another machine (as the same user) and run 'DISPLAY=:0 xterm', and see if an xterm window appears [14:14] Well, control+alt+backspace are disabled by default in newer versions of Xorg. [14:14] johndee (n=id@93.81.142.68) joined ##slackware. [14:14] ahhhhhh... [14:14] And, finally, your mouse and keyboard input devices aren't being enabled: [14:14] ohhhhh [14:14] (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. [14:15] huh? [14:15] blast! [14:15] it's AllowEmptyInput, not OnlyAllowEmptyInput [14:15] :) [14:15] whut, ctrl alt baackspace is disabled? [14:15] Urchlay an xterm appeared [14:15] Urchlay, There are lots of options related to input including AllowEmptyInput. [14:15] DisableAllNonEmptyInput! [14:15] nick4, Add this line to the ServerLayout or ServerFlags section: [14:15] Option "AutoAddDevices" "off" [14:15] okey [14:16] nick4, If you want to specify a mouse and keyboard device to use, you need to tell Xorg not to use HAL to detect devices. [14:16] ahhhh [14:16] I think HAL is disabled [14:16] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Right, but Xorg was undoubtedly compiled with HAL support :-) [14:16] ah [14:17] greetings [14:17] slackytude, People complained that it was too easy to hit that combination and cause X to stop. [14:17] hm. Am guessing I'll have problems with that when I do get around to upgrading the xorg server, I'm using a PS/2 mouse (trakball actually) and a PS/2 keyboard (made in 1991!) [14:17] hiya adamk_ ;) [14:17] slackytude, Apparently they are really stupid people :-) [14:17] adamk_ keyboard and mouse are fixed! [14:18] Urchlay: why so old? [14:18] nick4, Woohoo. [14:18] eh, which is better, then? X refusing to start at all, or X starting but ignoring the mouse and keyboard? [14:18] now to enable ctrl-alt-backspace [14:18] How to see which packages are installed without using pkgtool [14:18] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@70-13-234-73.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:18] nick4, Try adding this option to ServerFlags or ServerLayout: [14:18] The-Croupier: because it's a *real* keyboard, an IBM Model M. They last forever, no need to replace it. [14:18] Option "DontZap" "off" [14:18] Urchlay: x starting recognising all [14:18] dryn (n=fdds@74.55.236.186) joined ##slackware. [14:18] The-Croupier: plus, if I wanted to buy new Model M, they cost like $90 now [14:18] really? [14:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:19] yeah [14:19] nick4, That might do it... You might also need to run 'setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp' though. [14:19] oh boy, wait [14:19] also they're no longer made by IBM (not even sure if they're made by Lexmark now) [14:19] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] dammit, I want my ctrl-alt-backspace. That is the *normal* way I "log out" [14:20] Urchlay, It's possible to enable it. [14:20] adamk_ where do I add: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp ? [14:20] what file I mean [14:20] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:20] so do I Urchlay [14:20] yeah, it just annoys me that I have to take extra steps to use something that I've been using for 10+ years [14:20] nick4, It's not a command to add to a file. It's a command you can run once X is running and you are logged in. There is an equivalent option for /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but I'm not sure what it is. [14:20] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Client Quit [14:21] okey adamk_ wait [14:21] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [14:21] nick4: I wouldn't recommand ctrl-alt-bs if you're running KDE or Gnome (all those extra daemons they run get confused by it) [14:21] okey Urchlay. I just run fluxbox [14:21] what is recommended as newsreader? [14:21] adamk_ it worked! [14:21] v4nelle (n=Nelle@79.103.151.243) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:21] adamk_ a BIG thanks for everything :D [14:21] nick4, Exactly what worked? [14:22] ctrl-alt-bs [14:22] ah, yeah, fluxbox shouldn't have a problem (neither does the windowmaker that I run) [14:22] adamk (n=user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [14:22] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:22] nick4, Did you have to run that setxkbmap command? [14:22] adamk_ yes [14:23] OK.. Yeah, as I said, there is an xorg.conf option, but I don't remember what it is, unfortunately. [14:23] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [14:23] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [14:23] http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/149952/detail/ funny flash video [14:23] Alright, time for me to head out. [14:23] you could also stick that setxkbmap or whatever command in your ~/.xinitrc [14:23] it's okey adamk_, I think I can live with a command in xinitrc ;) [14:24] $ wc -l .xinitrc [14:24] 89 .xinitrc [14:24] Yeah, I added the command to a script that I have KDE autostart. [14:24] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:24] Alright, glad i could help get everything working for you. I'm heading home and sleeping all weekend. [14:24] _bruno__ (n=bruno@201-43-75-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:25] like 60 lines of old commented out junk in there [14:25] Urchlay it's like junk DNA, alwayed needed :P [14:25] or rather: might be needed in the future [14:26] including a commented out call to "imwheel" (how long ago did I run that? XFree86 3.x days at least) [14:27] well, of course! :P [14:27] remember the 25-yo bug in BSD? :P [14:27] not really [14:28] heh... .xinitrc has a commented out call to Esetroot. Gotta be 10 years since I last used that... [14:28] antiwire: will you work with asterisk? [14:28] hm.. super user reserved space only really needs to apply to the root partition, right? if not, what % should be safe for 300GB? 5% seems a bit much [14:29] johnc (n=enthujoh@122.169.231.79) joined ##slackware. [14:29] slackwared: no [14:29] nick4, not as bad as the 20 year old bug in DOS :P [14:29] Action: NthDegree divides by zero [14:29] john_dee (n=id@93-81-2-3.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Connection timed out [14:30] spook: success! I've added the zd1211 firmware to /lib/firmware [14:30] Pig_Pen: lol. Harness the power, of Religion! [14:30] spook: thanks egually [14:31] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [14:31] I'm having a sys with Windows Vista as RAID 0 in ICH10R southbridge chipset ...and I would like to install Slackware 13.0 in RAID without disrupting my windows installation ... [14:31] NthDegree give me a link for that! I've never heard it [14:31] any guides ... [14:32] RAID0? yikes. [14:32] nick4, DOS will lock up if you divide by zero with "Zero Divide Error" or in some cases it reboots [14:32] ohhh [14:32] nick4, known bug that will never be fixed [14:33] even in FreeDOS? [14:33] puts religion in a new perspective [14:33] not sure about FreeDOS actually :$ [14:34] argh. seemingly after vbox fires up, new qt4 windows invert the colours on my screen. muchos frustratingos. [14:35] hexorcist: I'd say the reserved space makes sense for /, /var, and /tmp, if those are all separate partitions [14:35] dryn (n=fdds@74.55.236.186) left irc: Client Quit [14:35] (if they're not separate, then yes, only on /) [14:35] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:35] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:36] _bruno (n=bruno@201-93-212-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:36] Nick change: _bruno__ -> _bruno [14:37] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:37] johnc: as far as I can tell, ICH10R is fake raid and would require drivers to allow linux to use it as a raid device. From what I can tell so far you'd need to use that thing in normal mode instead of RAID mode [14:37] not to mention that RAID0 is slightly suicidal unless you are on top of backups [14:37] it's not if, it's when [14:38] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.40.212) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Emeaudroide (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-71-217.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:40] what'z the problem with RAID ? it's working fine with Windows ...just need to cook up some stuff to work in linux I guess ... why do I need backups ? [14:41] johnc: It's not real raid and without the proper driver the fake raid device is not going to be properly detected. The problem with RAID0 is that there is no redundancy. [14:41] it's a stripe only. [14:41] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:41] If one member of the raid0 gets screwed up you will lose the whole array [14:42] yeah I know that ... give twice the performance when reading ...it's good while gaming ... [14:42] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:42] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:42] cassius (n=khk@212.183.134.130) joined ##slackware. [14:42] no issues with that ...I literally have tons of backups :) [14:42] you would need to figure out how to use dmraid with that controller. [14:42] johnc: gaming in linux? like what? [14:42] anybody used umtmon with 13 ? [14:42] umtsmon* [14:43] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-22-143.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:43] The-Croupier :currently gaming in Windows ...but would like to work in linux for programming ... [14:43] hello, when i installed the ati drivers in slack 12.2, i had an ati app in the kde menu. in slack 13 i can't see it in kde 4.2 does anyone know what the menu item is called, so i can make my own menu icon? yes, i also alread radn update menu command from kde and it didn't find the ati command centre app. [14:43] Nick change: Emeaudroide -> Emeau [14:43] Nick change: Emeau -> Emeaudroide [14:44] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl234-10.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [14:44] johnc: what language? [14:45] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Client Quit [14:45] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:45] mostly C/C++ ...with some OpenGL [14:46] slackytude: fyi, to bind key in x you need xbindkeys. its savanna url seems to have died, but alien has a pkg from 2007. [14:46] johnc: Try booting off the SystemRescueCD linux boot cd and see if it detects the raid [14:46] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3027E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Pig_Pen: how'd you see that screen? were you in #fluxbox at the time? [14:47] astrocub (n=astrocub@unaffiliated/ibuffy) left irc: Connection timed out [14:47] thanks anyhow [14:47] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:47] blkdg: [14:47] naw, i visit imagebin everyday [14:47] .. [14:47] was about to tell him. [14:47] ah, cool [14:48] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [14:48] no it's not ... [14:48] i tried that [14:48] i like watching the progress on the artwork people do [14:49] looks like some video game developers post screenshots there [14:49] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/installing-on-raid-1-ich10r-fake-raid-727299/#post3548853 [14:50] cadmium (n=root@202.174.145.186) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Is there any documentation on how Slackware is built? I know that SlackBuilds are used but what's in the build environment? [14:51] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [14:52] slackytude: you still around? [14:52] 42 [14:53] antiwire : but that post deletes my windows ... I don't want that [14:53] deleting your windows is a good thing [14:54] error: The important program kde-config was not found! how can this be when one is actually using kde? [14:54] <|alisonken1churc> NthDegree: not really, but if you look at the library packages, it's pretty generic with only the minimal needed to compile [14:54] Wait a second, you want to multiboot on a RAID? O_O [14:54] by deleting your windows you will know your life has taken on meaning and is no longer in vein [14:54] <|alisonken1churc> vein or vai [14:54] <|alisonken1churc> vain [14:54] |alisonken1churc, so keep only the minimum in terms of dependencies except where it's unreasonable? [14:54] alienBlu1b: vai means go in italian :P [14:55] i mean |alisonken1churc * [14:55] alienBlu1b: sorry wrong nick [14:55] elderK (i=de98612c@gateway/web/freenode/x-twoerwjpndgoocai) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Nick change: |alisonken1churc -> alisonken1home [14:56] NthDegree: bare minimum, yes. as far as unreasonable - what's unreasonable? [14:56] alisonken1home, well.. making mplayer without any format support but OGG for example :P [14:56] :) [14:57] vain [14:57] johnc: you want to use your built on raid controller to dual boot? [14:57] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:58] agentc0re : yes [14:58] blkdg: there you are. about your ati Q. if you go to the cli and type ati and hit tab, it should show you the ati control panel app. [14:58] perhaps i'm just crazy but i'm planning to build up everything with SSP, FORTIFY_SOURCE and SSE3 support [14:58] ok, i found out what the gui control for the ati driver is called, amdcccle by going thru the ati installation again. but how do i add it to my kde menu? [14:59] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [14:59] as in, i am looking at system settings, and i'd like to add an icon to amdcccle [14:59] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:59] johnc: honestly, i don't think you will want to do that. This is the biggest reason, and i don't think it was mentioned in the post. If your motherboard dies..What then? you can't RMA nor find an exact replacement. all of your data is on there and you want/need it. [14:59] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [15:00] johnc: (12:56:47 PM) johnc: Received CTCP 'DCC CHAT chat 2057955151 3525' (to agentc0re) from johnc ???? [15:00] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:00] he wants to grind your ports? :P [15:01] agentc0re : failure of my components is not my concern ...I need to know how to dual boot Windows and Slackware Linux in RAID ... [15:01] johnc: which do you want in a raid? or both? [15:01] agentc0re, yeah, i tried the autofill, and their names didn't look right, so i reinstalled the ati driver and read the note at the end of the install telling me to use amdcccle. [15:01] samuelig (n=samuelig@104.pool85-57-159.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:01] johnc, if failure of your components isn't your concern, why do you even have a RAID? [15:01] mmmmmm..... port grinding...... [15:01] blkdg: cool. ya, you left as i was about to make that suggestion but you've come back with your answer. [15:02] but agentc0re how can i add that to my system icons? [15:02] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [15:02] NthDegree : it's RAID 0 ...it's not RAID 1 or 5 ...actually RAID 0 increases the failure rate ...but provide good performance for reading/writing ...and I need it for my gaming PC [15:02] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@70-13-234-73.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:03] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:03] johnc: i guess the answer to that Q. doesn't really matter. The best way is to have your different OS's on different harddrives. you can software raid in either OS. As this isn't #windows, i wont go about hwo to do it. in slackware you can use mdadm. Fakeraid is gay, and dumb. [15:04] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:04] you're wasting your time as far as linux is concerned to try and get fakeraid going. you will get better performance using mdadm and/or lvm. [15:04] gay and dumb is fake rade [15:05] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [15:06] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:06] err, guess this is a kde question. [15:06] Good luck with getting answers from anyone in #kde :P [15:06] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.86.215) left irc: Client Quit [15:07] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Client Quit [15:07] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [15:07] guys, anyone runs sbopkg 0.30.1 with current? [15:08] i tried to install and i get no such file in /usr/sbin/ [15:08] heh 13 just came out and you're already running -current? [15:08] not sure if sbopkg is going to work well on -current [15:08] johnc (n=enthujoh@122.169.231.79) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]" [15:08] mr_patterson: I'm running -current aka 13.0 as I still point to the -current repos for my rsyncs [15:09] Dominian: not doing so, so far... [15:09] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] I'm severely digging on my slackware13 folks [15:09] briareus: good for you :P [15:09] elderK (i=de98612c@gateway/web/freenode/x-twoerwjpndgoocai) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [15:09] ;) [15:09] I'm fiercely enjoying it [15:09] The-Croupier: mainly because sbopkg ties into slackbuilds.org... and they don't have anything for -current per se.. and sbopkg is mainly developed for stable releases of slackware afaik [15:10] mr_patterson, i never know if the silence is because there is no answer here, or that it's beneath answer. know what i mean? [15:10] Dominian: you are right.. but it doesnt even recognise it as a command [15:10] well wierd [15:10] cadmium (n=root@202.174.145.186) left ##slackware. [15:10] The-Croupier: er.. and you are looking for sbopkg as root right? [15:10] which sbopkg returns nothing? [15:10] er.. "which sbopkg" [15:10] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [15:11] blkdg: here or in #kde? [15:11] Dominian: yep it does, /usr/sbin/sbopkg [15:11] then... [15:11] sbopkg is fine :) [15:11] well at least is in the $PATH [15:11] blkdg: And, yeah, I do know what you mean ;) [15:12] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-137-212.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [15:12] Dominian: i see it now, it was complaining its not in /usr/bin/sbopkg, instead it is in /usr/sbin/sbopkg [15:12] after that it told me to copy some configs .. ill try that now [15:12] mr_patterson, here! [15:13] anyhow it was solved in #kde. [15:14] thanks again folks [15:14] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:14] I like that I was able to tell sbopkg to use different dirs than it wanted [15:14] helps me keep the system more the way I want [15:14] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:15] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Dominian, sbopkg works great with -current :P [15:15] cassius (n=khk@212.183.134.130) left irc: "Leaving" [15:15] now i've installed dmenu, bound it to f1 and installed a very simple wm, my desktop is complete. kde, gnome - pah. pah. [15:16] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:16] s#with -current :P## [15:17] yesyes, still not as good as abusing XFCE parts to enhance openbox ;-p [15:18] merge sbopkg.conf sbopkg.conf.new would this get the information of sbopkg.new to sbopkg.conf? or am i wrong? reading the man merge shows examples with 3 files...:( [15:18] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:18] yup, just dont install qt4 & kde4 and slackware is pretty awesome [15:19] lol Pig_Pen [15:19] Pig_Pen, just the same as every other distro then :P [15:19] i dont actually use kde either... but it is pretty [15:19] iareyez (n=iareyez@190.86.218.77) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Y'know fixing KDE 3.5.x would have been better than making 4.x [15:20] if it was me i would have kept qt338 & kde-3.5.10 for one more round, but i guess Pat & company felt the need to "keep up with the joneses" [15:20] Pig_Pen, same here... even Debian didn't make that blunder :P [15:21] NthDegree: they will in the next relase :P [15:21] release* [15:21] indeed [15:21] but it will come with the ever-hyped 4.3.x [15:21] I want stellarium, thus qt4 was needed, but I don't kde. [15:21] KDE 4 is a blunder? [15:21] Which is marked as "suitable for end users" [15:21] maybe the KDE developers feel the pressure and will work overtime debugging kde-4.x (it was just released too early) [15:21] mr_patterson: no i like it :D [15:22] mr_patterson: it runs well on my old 2001 laptop [15:22] mr_patterson, KDE < 4.3 is yes as it is not meant for end users [15:22] 4.3 was marked as suitable by the KDE team [15:22] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.26) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:22] NthDegree: It seems good (to me) right now [15:23] yeah, besides one issue I had to workaround, its nice [15:23] The built-in effects are amazing (compared to compiz fusion) [15:23] mr_patterson: no problems with dolphin? [15:23] So was Firefox 3.0 Beta (for RHEL) but distros shouldn't include stuff that isn't marked as suitable for end users [15:23] there is one, it aint thunar [15:23] Pig_Pen: None yet. What's it doing in your system? [15:23] although that said... most Slackware users seem like they could be developers if they used any other distro :P [15:24] i seen it be unresponsive for several minutes when i tried to launch it then after about 10 or 15 minutes about five instances of it loaded all at once [15:25] I like the whole plasmoid thingy [15:25] kworrell (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:25] altho I will stick with xfce for my laptop [15:25] slackytude, I think they should have been called plasmids ;-p [15:25] well, whatever, its cool [15:25] Action: NthDegree <3s BioShock [15:25] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-137-212.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:25] i like kde-4's idea of a desktop, it just needs more work (IMO) i hope they iron it out soon (before the next slackware release thats for sure) [15:25] oh, didnt catch that reference [15:26] hey guys.. i have a /dev/sda3 that i dont use.. just adding it to fstab.. like / with /mnt/hardisk3/ created..would it be ok? or do i need something else to do? [15:26] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-137-212.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [15:26] Pig_Pen, yeah, needs some polish [15:26] Pig_Pen, but isnt that always the case? [15:26] anyone here use the buildsbo script for slackbuilds? i upgraded to sw13 and noticed it isnt working anymore [15:26] with kde-4 it is thats for sure [15:26] The-Croupier, do you want it to mount at boot? If not, use noauto instead of defaults [15:26] The-Croupier, nah, thats ok [15:26] The-Croupier, I usually use /storage for stuff like that [15:27] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:27] slackytude: if /storage is used..that doesnt go under / does it? [15:27] slackytude: sorry [15:27] stupid question [15:28] huh? why not [15:28] dunno what you mean [15:28] my / is getting full... [15:28] heh [15:28] how so? [15:28] i dont want to use / for storage of tgzs...etc [15:29] nor would I [15:29] Then empty /tmp [15:29] I meant to say, I mount some hardrives as /storage [15:29] a dir in / called storage [15:29] to store stuff in [15:29] The-Croupier: what do you want to do ? [15:29] use sda3 ? [15:29] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:29] just mount it on whatever you want [15:30] empty / a little.. and use that part of the disk that is /dev/sda3 ') [15:30] ;) [15:30] i did notice without kde-4 debus & hal do not automount disk parititions i intentionally left out of fstab :D (that i like) [15:30] Action: hexorcist uses /mnt/network/pulsar/tbstorage/ :D [15:30] who the fuck is hexorcist? o.O [15:30] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar [15:30] The-Croupier, I see. you could copy /usr over to sda3 and mount it as /usr [15:30] a hexorcist casts demons out of binaries [15:31] The-Croupier: df -h shows what ? [15:31] you have less than 5g of space ? [15:31] Pig_Pen: rm -rf C:/Windows :D [15:31] that will do it [15:31] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:31] Pig_Pen, you mean it doesnt automount without kde4? [15:31] thats bad [15:31] yup [15:31] /dev/root 65G 41G 21G 66% / [15:31] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [15:32] The-Croupier, plenty of space [15:32] The-Croupier: you have lots of space [15:32] i guess kde-4 was the culpret that was automounting a disk partition i wanted left out of the system [15:32] /dev/sda3 81G 414M 77G 1% /mnt/hd [15:32] just do : [15:32] mkdir /mnt/hd3 [15:32] funny part i cannot see that 414m in /mnt/hd [15:32] and mount sda3 in that folder [15:32] and thats it [15:33] dont over think on that [15:33] mjk (n=matti@a91-153-148-53.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: "Leaving" [15:36] kworrell (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:36] Action: NthDegree ponders installing IceWeasel for the lulz [15:37] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Action: briareus ponders using a Juice Weasel for the thrills [15:37] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] nannes (n=nannes@host-78-14-126-135.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Actually... I wanna get the Netscape artwork and apply it to IceWeasel [15:37] kworrell (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:37] and call it Netscape... IIRC i'm not violating trademarks if it's for personal use right? :P [15:38] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:38] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] yay for backups [15:38] NthDegree: if i's for personal use, nobody would know about it would they so it wouldn't matter. [15:39] respecting trademarks is not about "nobody will know" [15:39] all those movies you download are for personal use too ;-) [15:39] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) joined ##slackware. [15:40] MoZes, well I wouldn't show them to my mother ;-p [15:40] >_> [15:40] :O [15:40] mancha, that's why i'm asking. Same reason I asked about GPL and using NVIDIA drivers (personal use means it's okay) [15:40] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [15:41] NthDegree: well no, she might not like to know you filmed her. ;-) [15:41] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [15:41] NthDegree, i understand and i applaud you. My comment was about MoZes's "it doesn matter since nobody will know" attitude [15:42] Ah right XD [15:42] xchatter (n=xchatter@59.94.182.86) joined ##slackware. [15:42] xchatter (n=xchatter@59.94.182.86) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:42] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:42] xchatter (n=xchatter@59.94.182.86) joined ##slackware. [15:44] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:44] mancha: I don't think it does matter if you do whatever you want with the mozilla stuff as long as you do not distribute it with the mozilla icons and branding, claiming it's an official build [15:44] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:45] what do i use to check my hard drive [15:45] there is somethign wrogn with this partition [15:45] thats different from "it's okay cause no one will know" [15:46] smart [15:46] mancha: how? if you do not distribute it - nobody will know! [15:46] unless you tell them you did it and then don't distribute it- either way they still don't get a copy of it [15:46] 180MB used, 12GB volume, 85Gb free [15:46] heh [15:46] s/85Gb/8.5Gb [15:47] i'm missing about three sometyhing gigs [15:47] because "it doesn't matter no one will know" serves to justify any action even those in clear violation ofsomething because you are able to keep it hidden [15:47] ubi non accusator, ibi non judex [15:48] It's not about keeping hidden. It is about not distributing [15:48] asfor mozilla, i am not clear on this, is it ok to build it with officla branding for personal use or do you need to ask for special permission (even if for personal use) [15:48] mancha: you can build it with official branding - just do not distribute it [15:48] which is what I meant. [15:48] even gentoo builds with official branding for users in the ebuild scripts. [15:49] Chakravanti: it's reserved for system usage (in case the drive gets full things like syslog will keep functioning properly) [15:49] Is that because of trademark laws or because of what Mozilla say? [15:49] they might have special permission [15:49] NthDegree: mozilla says so [15:49] mancha: possibly, but since the users compile it for themselves, they most likely would not distribute it [15:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "network problems" [15:49] You can get permission to build with official branding. Fred with slamd64 did so. [15:50] Distributing an ebuild does not need permission. But distributing the binaries does [15:50] alienBOB, so if I nabbed the branding of Netscape, stuck it on IceWeasel and named it Netscape? :P [15:50] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl206-35.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:50] well thagt's a pain int the ass [15:50] We did it for Slackware64 too - that builds from source as well [15:50] NthDegree: for private use, that would be OK [15:50] Chakravanti: if it's ext3 you can release the space with tune2fs I think [15:50] I'd have partitioned differently if i'd have known that [15:50] Action: MoZes can't remember how to do it though off the topof my head [15:50] hmm [15:50] Action: MoZes wouldn't do it either [15:51] tune2fs -m (%) /dev/ [15:51] alienBOB: thanks for the slackgoods [15:51] alienBOB, that's all good then. Since AOL discontinued Netscape (based on Firefox 2) and Debian still maintains Firefox 2 as IceWeasel :D [15:51] tune2fs can give you all those GB back [15:51] geg [15:51] NthDegree: heh you like old skool netscape? [15:51] i see that thank you guys! [15:51] I've read in a number of places that 1% is safe for non-root partitions [15:51] with the square logos [15:51] alienBOB: Just wanted to say "thanks" really quickly for the great directions on making slackware64 multilib... And for all the work you've done on slackware in general. [15:51] I always use 0% [15:52] MoZes, it's new-skool really.. since the last release was FF2 with a cool looking skin and was really really well polished ^_^ [15:52] they don't patch those for exploits, do they? [15:52] hmmm [15:52] nope [15:53] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [15:53] NthDegree: ah I was thinking of the old 1990s one [15:53] that only gave me half a GB back [15:53] "Netscape Now" [15:53] Chakravanti: it's probably just filesystem overhead then. you always get that. [15:53] adamk: thanks [15:53] i'm still missing almost three gb [15:53] MoZes, ewww no.. I can get that with SeaMonkey already :p [15:53] the bigger your partition the more it takes to store the filesystem info. [15:53] NthDegree: heh [15:54] i don't think i'd run netscape v2, that code must be as watertight as a strainer [15:54] but this is just my /home partition [15:54] mancha: haha [15:54] alienBOB: also, thanks for creating the xbindkeys package in 2007 ;) [15:54] mancha: since it's so old, the regular exploits for it probably aren't floating around anymore [15:55] how does ext just ditch 1/4 of my hard drive? I'd say if itr did that no one would use it [15:55] it's probably more secure ;) [15:55] this isn't normal [15:55] lol [15:55] yesyes: you know, I never used xbinekeys myself... someone asked me to create a package for him [15:55] it's disappearing space [15:55] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Action: NthDegree pets his ext2 partitions [15:55] Action: nannes writing with slackware ^_^ [15:55] yuuhuuuuuuuuuuu [15:55] without kde/gnome/xfce it's really useful [15:55] maybe so...maybe it is so antique nothing current hurts it, i'd stay away just as well [15:55] :) [15:55] Chakravanti: why not just back up the contents of that drive, then reformat it? [15:56] 12 GB is small enough [15:56] yeah i only have like 180Mb on it [15:56] that's what i was thinking [15:56] even better! [15:56] Chakravanti's question reminds me of one I have: If I have a / and a /usr, is there a way to hook /var into the /usr or must /var be part of / (can the system be tricked with an extension somewhere else?) I ask because on one system I'd like a bigger /var [15:56] slackweare won't freak out if i format the home partition? [15:56] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left ##slackware ("Have to go now"). [15:56] lol [15:56] no it wont [15:57] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [15:57] oops [15:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] hehe [15:57] wb alienBOB :P [15:57] bri, why do you partition into two to start with? [15:58] mancha: habit. it works fine for the other distro on that machine, but it wont work for slackware with its big fat /opt [15:58] and I'd like to migrate that machine without repartitioning if I can [15:58] somoene else had a similar problem recently, they had /tmp on a part that was turning out to be too small for their needs. lesson: if you don't know what kind of intricate partition setup you need then don't use an intricate partition setup :) [15:59] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:59] its not a big deal, I'm just curious [15:59] briareus: have you heard of ln? [15:59] no [15:59] mancha: well, diff distros do things differently. I ran gentoo and sourcemage, and they compile everything but I never ran into space issues like I do with slackware on partitioning schemes that worked perfectly for them [15:59] dont you mean these? [15:59] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:00] agris: I figured as much, but I wasn't sure how well it would work [16:00] briareus, you want to put var and usr on a different disk? [16:00] kworrell (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [16:00] slackytude: I'll probably just link like agris is alluding to [16:00] bri, ok noted. you might wish to adop a KISS approach to partitioning next time unless you have good reasons not to [16:00] right [16:02] briareus: ln works well :) and not only on slack. there was times it helped a lot in migrating fbsd and changing dead disks [16:02] mancha: works fine for its use, just not well for migration to slackware. That box has been gentoo and then smgl for ...5 years? I'll just end up repartitioning the front end (or use ln) but I do like how my /musik/ /video/ and /vbox partitions work for me [16:02] Anyone know of a package for the arora browser? [16:03] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [16:04] briareus: LVM2 is also good for stuff like that when you don't know in advance how to partition your disk [16:04] or more, what sizes you need. [16:04] the partition scheme is a different decision [16:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:05] yes lvm does allow you to rethink your scheme and free up and allocate space on the fly [16:07] yeah it's good but I'm always a bit scared about how to recover data from it if discs die. if you sit it atop hardware raid, I feel better about it [16:07] Action: MoZes just hasn't used it enough to feel comfortable putting my own stuff on it [16:08] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [16:09] yeah it's a thought, I've just felt similar discomfort. [16:11] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [16:12] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:12] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@70-13-234-73.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@70-13-234-73.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH4PVoVN73o <3 1982 [16:16] http://peopleofwalmart.com/?p=931 [16:16] wtf.?!? [16:17] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [16:17] noisesinmyhead (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:18] agentc0re: What the..... :P [16:18] agentc0re, one way around it's the nazi symbol, but if reversed it is actually a completely different thing. [16:18] hey dive [16:18] it was a symbol long before the nazis took it. [16:18] fire|bird, hi [16:19] you mean the swastka or hakenkreuz, something from tibet [16:19] very old indeed, till it got mirrored [16:19] or inverted or something [16:19] helium baloons rules :-) [16:20] y0 macavity [16:20] but the way she is wearing it is the nazi swastika [16:20] who is? [16:20] macavity, got a squeaky voice? [16:20] slackytude, agentc0re» http://peopleofwalmart.com/?p=931 [16:21] It was a peace symbol prior to the Nazis using it methinks [16:21] dive: i opened one at a restaurante, took a big hit and said "can i have two cups of coffee and the check please?" to the waitress :P [16:21] haha [16:21] dive: i wish i got her face on cam :P [16:21] dive, yeah, nazi symbol alrite, complete with red and white background [16:22] fire|bird: sup my man? :-) [16:22] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] it was, but it's most current meaning is not what it use to be. [16:22] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] plus, the red background doesn't help her any. [16:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [16:22] NthDegree, not peace, luck I think [16:23] macavity: Just trying to figure out kmail filters, When I click apply all filters, they don't apply. :/ [16:23] macavity: you? [16:23] NthDegree: dont mistake the swastika with the ancient symbol for sun.. swastika is mirrored [16:23] y0 fire|bird ! [16:23] fire|bird: "apply filters" apply to selected mails [16:24] fire|bird: ctrl-a -> crtl-j [16:24] that shirt is a turnoff for sure [16:24] I bet shed look better without it [16:25] Let this be a lesson to all of us... 90 degree angles are bad ;-p [16:26] heh [16:26] NthDegree: indians used that symbol before [16:26] macavity: doh! :P Thanks. [16:26] http://peopleofwalmart.com/?p=931 <---- she might be Buddhist :) [16:26] y0 deco [16:26] heh, if you think that picture is strange I gotta show you one [16:26] everyone used that symbol before :) [16:27] *agrees [16:27] actually, that used to be good protective sign [16:27] deco, sure... and we have a legitimate one still in use today for that purpose ( P ) [16:27] i think she might be abart of the jewish klansmen [16:27] apart* [16:27] http://imagebin.org/62528 [16:27] But the colors indicate that it's a Nazi symbol... [16:27] http://media.photobucket.com/image/p%25C4%2593rkonkrusts/mattiass/KasuKrusts.gif [16:27] slackytude: lol :P [16:28] Latvian symbol, one of :) not german :) [16:28] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:28] macavity: \o/, perfect, thanks again. [16:28] Ruthven_ (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-191-44.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] Okay so long as it's not black or at an angle then? (P) [16:29] :) [16:30] still, you would have to very brave, very stupid, or a skinhead to wear anything that looked remotely like it in this country... [16:30] I understand fashion statements, but wearing something like that is just asking for trouble. [16:30] it's just like one psycho takes american flag, do something bad, and then american flag becames accidentaly as symbol for that bad :D [16:30] agris, yeah that's how it happened with the american flag [16:31] agris, true, but the american flag has positive aspects as well, not so with nazis version of the swastiska [16:31] argh :) [16:31] or however its spelled [16:32] dive, or you'd have to be in the Finnish Air Force apparently (according to Wikipedia) since they use a Swastika, but theirs is with a blue background and not at an angle >_> [16:32] hmmm [16:33] latvians used to use this cross for centuries -> http://www.google.lv/imgres?imgurl=http://valoda.ailab.lv/kultura/kultura/orn43.gif&imgrefurl=http://valoda.ailab.lv/kultura/kultura/orn11.htm&h=353&w=597&sz=149&tbnid=tUyQ9dAJOfXNRM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dugunskrusts&hl=lv&usg=__WvMu1KOJostbS0WyRJexsSAYLIQ=&ei=a3mhSritIYKF-Qa-4tHpDw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image [16:33] So does this mean Swazigets are perfectly legal, so long as they're not at an angle? ;-p [16:33] in 12.1, the udev rules list was in lib/udev/rules.d [16:33] wow that's a link and a half. Well done. [16:33] or is this normal behavior? [16:34] agris: tinyurl.com rules :P [16:34] macavity:-) [16:34] dive: "at the end of the paste theres a link and a half" ?!? [16:34] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:35] ... [16:35] oh wait.. you guys dont know D.A.D [16:35] blip [16:35] they are only world famous in Denmark :P [16:35] agris, yeah, which is why I said "the nazis version" of it [16:35] id say more like 2 and 2/3 worth of links. [16:35] :P [16:35] http://www.userfriendly.org/community/ufiles/msswastika_m.gif lol [16:35] Necos, udev rules got shifted around. Now the default rules are in /lib and you put your extra ones in /etc [16:35] dive: the original text goes "at the end of the smile theres a laugh and a half" [16:35] heh [16:35] slackytude: problem is there's only nazi version for 99% of world :P [16:36] agris, thats PR for you [16:36] oh, ok.. [16:36] that symbol i think originated in asia somewhere, i think india and it was not a symbol of fascism but some sort of good luck thing [16:36] Necos, the rules in /lib will get overwritten on upgrade but those in /etc shouldn't be (*disclaimer: not my fault if they are) [16:36] i had no idea >.<; [16:37] Pig_Pen: that symbol was everywhere, asia, america, europe [16:37] it was not demonized until the nazis started using ut [16:37] Pig_Pen, skimming the wiki entry, it was used everywhere and had a unholy amount of interpretations [16:37] oh shit... better fix that [16:37] Necos, it's some new-fanmgled thing [16:37] it means healthiness, god's protection etc [16:37] bleah, even if it's a symbol of pure hate and evil, it shouldn't be illegal (the symbol itself, I mean. Evil should probably be illegal, if we could only all agree on the definition) [16:37] everywhere the same until 3rd reich :) [16:37] Pig_Pen: it was a symbol of the sun [16:37] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:37] well, who said germans dont know marketing [16:38] the symbol isn't indian but comes from that region (I think you can find it in china) [16:38] s/germans/nazis/ [16:38] still you got to be pretty brave or pretty dumb to wear one in the west [16:38] i think my mom has a bible that is about 100 years old that has them in it, lots of little tiny ones [16:38] Pig_Pen, wow [16:38] Pig_Pen: yes, i have seen those too [16:38] dive: depends on what's meant by "the west"... West Germany? Western USA? probably get your ass kicked... [16:38] well, hitler probably took it for the same reason - he thought he's god's chosen one :D [16:38] Pig_Pen: used as a symbol for "God's light" [16:39] Pig_Pen, got an old bible from my grandpa, which I can hardly read. good to look at tho [16:39] slackwared (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:39] no clue how old it is, tho [16:39] "god's light"... that would be "lucifer", wouldn't it? [16:39] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] O_O [16:39] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:39] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:39] removepkg is evil, it kills cats! ='( [16:39] delete_cats() { [16:39] ='( [16:39] Urchlay, I guess that would be a possible interpretation [16:40] Urchlay, I was kinda thinking west europe + usa [16:40] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:40] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-75-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [16:40] altho I though lucifier was "bringer of light" [16:40] the lucifer/seth figure has its origin in the ancient Egyptian faiths [16:40] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] or maybe light bearer [16:40] slackytude: that would be the seth part iirc [16:40] dive: certain parts of downtown Atlanta, you see a bunch of shaven-headed idiots in combat boots, suspenders, and flight jackets with swastikas on them [16:41] oh yeah, used to be same here [16:41] macavity, hrm, wiki says its the literal translation of the latin [16:41] yup, christianity just plagurizes even older religions from egypt and mesopotamia & persia [16:41] Urchlay: dont forget to throw the occational empty soda can at them when you drive by [16:41] nowdays more likely to see them in suits standing for parliament :| [16:41] most of the skinheads probably aren't serious about being nazis, they just like to get into fights, and wearing a swastika is guaranteed to piss off enough people that *someone* will want to fight [16:41] anyway brb [16:41] Urchlay, aye [16:42] slackytude: take wp's word over mine.. it was nearly a decade since i read up on all that stuff [16:42] Urchlay, yep [16:42] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [16:43] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [16:43] Pig_Pen: I'm reminded of the documentary after Zeitgeist. [16:44] Bill Moyers has one, Religilous or something like that name [16:44] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] I skipped over the religious stuff in zeitgeist [16:45] zeitgeist is fairly accurate in that first section explaining how religions plagurize previous religions [16:45] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.40.212) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:46] xchatter (n=xchatter@59.94.182.86) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:46] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:46] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [16:47] zeitgeist i agree with the section about religion, the 9/11 consperacy i have no opinion because i dont know, the economic section is compelling and it does look like the rich & powerful do have some dirty tricks to make sure they stay rich & powerful [16:48] I always wondered about that one building on 9/11 that just dropped without any planes flying into it [16:48] slackytude, just that one? LOL [16:48] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.77.123.73) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:48] haha [16:48] well, the two towers were obviously hit [16:48] bill maher Pig_Pen, not Moyers [16:48] yah [16:48] slackytude, yea there were lots of obvious things about the two towers.. like why thye heard explosions below and how it melted that stuff [16:48] but it's ok, AMERICA GOT ATTACKED [16:49] it's what is most important to the morons here [16:49] but there was this third building that just fell down, somehow [16:49] justification not to think [16:49] That bit about the buildings free falling would be difficult to explain away [16:49] slackytude, the first two shouldn't have fell .. .the third building is just plain stupid [16:49] jeev, well, yeah, but you could argue that away. that third building is hard to explain [16:49] slackytude because there is no explanation! [16:49] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "caindo fora, já estou fazendo hora extra aqui..." [16:49] they can't come up with bullshit strong enough [16:50] falling debree set it off/ are you kidding me [16:50] I see you are strongly opinionated about it [16:50] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.77.123.73) joined ##slackware. [16:50] why wouldn't they jsut blame me? "look at jeev, he always talks about it, he farted and it fell" [16:50] would be a better excuse [16:50] this one [16:50] http://www.sprengstoff-gefunden-im-wtc.de/uploads/images/wtc-7.gif [16:50] slackytude because american's big ass ego's ruin their chances of getting ANY respect from the international community, t hey're stupid, they think they're the smartest.. they're fooled easily [16:51] slackytude, yea but it doesn't matter.. sean hannity said we were better off after bush than clinton [16:51] as long as that moron is preaching to his moron friends, the country is doomed. [16:51] jeev, but that's been the case for quite some time >.> [16:51] what case [16:51] the doomed part? [16:52] what you said :P [16:52] i just said a lot [16:52] we're just taking longer than expected [16:52] all i know is obama made a mistake running because he forever fucked himself in this country because of right wing morons who are blaming him for this recession [16:52] it's amazing [16:52] it's so freaking amazing how they could already be blaming him [16:52] anyone know why the left and right mouse button wouldnt work on a second mouse? it works fine for the cursor and scroll wheel but not for clicking or right clicking anything.. [16:53] personally i dont like or trust governments and would it would be just peechy with me if i was stranded on a tropical island as long as there was fresh water and food, i could get along without civilization [16:53] Pig_Pen: with a satellite internet link? [16:53] peechy lol [16:53] Pig_Pen, I second thar [16:53] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [16:53] satellite? no. underwater fiber. [16:53] just a hand crank generator and a shortwave radio [16:53] Pig_Pen, what are your thought about that gif? [16:53] Oh, R.C. definitely had an internet connection. [16:53] slackytude, he already said it [16:54] he doesn't trust the government.. so you know his answer [16:54] i have no opinion i do not know enough about 9/11 to form an opinion either way [16:54] pfft [16:54] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:55] lol [16:55] 9/11 neutraility [16:55] slackytude: Also something about no debris found at the Pentagon? [16:55] mr_patterson, on the grass were no marks or something [16:56] yeah [16:56] grazymax (n=grazymax@host146-14-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:56] http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html [16:57] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:57] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:57] the incredible penta-lawn ^-^ [16:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [16:57] HAHAHAHAAH [16:57] Im not so sure about the truth value [16:57] but it's a funky website [16:58] lol [16:58] throughout the history of civilization governments always moved in the direction of usurping more power at the expense of the freedoms of the citizens of the nations they governed [16:58] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-28-230.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:59] which is why the were certain restriction places upon them [16:59] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] and it always took extraordinary events to move them in the other direction [16:59] and its also why they get eroded [16:59] gotta love jefferson [17:00] utente (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [17:00] all i know is [17:00] because the citizens gave their rights away [17:00] thought process was avoided, remember the ones we lost was quickly injected with the word terrorism [17:00] and morons were born [17:00] jefferson & franklin [17:01] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: "Leaving." [17:01] sic semper tyrannis [17:01] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] heh [17:01] lol [17:03] Bassist (i=1000@e205.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de) joined ##slackware. [17:03] it's amazing how stupid people are [17:03] why can't we form a crazy organization [17:03] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] the people at nanog control the interweb here! [17:03] In any case, a society that distrusts its government and attributes conspiracies to it is a scary society. [17:03] they should hijack it [17:03] Sooo, anyone manage to get the new skype beta version to work under slack? (And by working, I mean with working SOUND) [17:04] lol [17:04] Pulseaudio somehow fails epicly [17:04] utente (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: Client Quit [17:04] Bassist: are you using the SBo? [17:04] all the crazy right wing cristians with guns, if government and law & order was to fail the USA would turn in to a bloodbath [17:04] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [17:04] utente (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. 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[17:07] Bassist : which version? [17:08] ananke: Skype: Mentioned above, Slackware 13, pulseaudio 0.9.10 (maybe even too old) [17:08] utente (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: Client Quit [17:09] doh. yeah, i see. the 2.0.0.72 worked fine for me, haven't tried the new one yet [17:09] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-stdacpeeuezutrqo) left irc: "Page closed" [17:09] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-nybuvbimgpzamnqt) joined ##slackware. [17:09] pulseaudio unfortunately is still very problematic for many people. other distros have been bitten by it [17:10] ananke: Under Ubuntu I had zilch problems with pulseaudio, and the new Skype version worked like a charm [17:10] Also has some neat features [17:10] jeev: did you see that rat video i posted earlier? [17:10] But yeah, now I'm stuck with a Skype that cannot make calls [17:10] Pig_Pen, what do you expect.. it's OK to kill if you're an american christian [17:10] i dont consider american's christians anyway so [17:11] no i didnt, is it nasty [17:11] is it that turtle owning the mice or rat in the water? [17:11] jeev, i am an atheist, i think ALL religions are bullsh!t [17:11] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [17:11] yea, well im christian and have my thoughts so i dunno [17:11] http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/149952/detail/ this one jeev [17:11] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: Client Quit [17:11] all i know is that if any high power existed, they wouldn't take people for their "army" or whatever they say [17:11] they take the good ones my ass [17:12] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [17:13] jimi (n=jimi@68.166.53.50) joined ##slackware. [17:13] any info on when the 13.0 DVDs will be available? [17:14] eh? [17:14] hahahahah [17:14] check a mirror? [17:14] jimi: They were since a week [17:14] jimi: not sure, man. I've ordered mine [17:14] i think jimi means the actualy dvds you can buy [17:14] exactly [17:14] jimi: Email the slackware store and ask them [17:14] i preordered. at that time that hadn't actually been pressed yet [17:14] pre-ordered as well [17:15] slackware.com/store? or store.slackware.com? [17:15] I believe that's the same site isn't it? [17:15] not sure [17:15] the store doesn't have 13.0 yet [17:15] Pig_Pen: same thing [17:16] okiedokie [17:16] still only pre-order [17:16] Action: deco wants to get a slackare shirt when he gets the monies [17:17] Action: hitest is a proud owner of a Slackware baseball cap [17:18] Action: deco is jealous [17:18] Action: quasar wonders why /usr/lib/rpm/ isn't in /usr/lib64 .. they're all either noarch or 64-bit =+= [17:18] -_-* [17:18] Bassist (i=1000@e205.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] because... the chances of installing an rpm on Slackware should be absolute 0 [17:19] quasar: rpm is next to unmaintained and untested on slackware [17:19] quasar: .. so you may actually have found a bug [17:19] quasar: ..... and you will probably have to pay real money to get it fixed ;-) [17:19] pff.. mv works for me. [17:20] i would symlink if i were you [17:20] as if I'll ever use 'em anyway [17:20] 1. release linux distro with bugs, 2. offer better distro for cash 3.????? 4.profit!!!!! [17:21] not knowing the ins and outs of rpm, but having seen it behave severly oddly in other contexts, i would not be very surprised if it was actually correct that it is lib and not lib64 [17:22] Pig_Pen: 3 in this case is "sign patent indemnification deal with M$ and advertize this in Wallstreet Jurnal" [17:22] if not for openoffice i would not even bother with rpm and rpm2tgz [17:22] i am actually contemplating compiling openoffice myself [17:22] Why wouldn't you just use the slackbuild? [17:22] .. i hope ill make it before the next release ;-) [17:23] mr_patterson: the slackbuilds for OOo utilizes rpm2tgz [17:23] i left 3. ambigious on purpose so people can do anything with it, including pr0n [17:23] mr_patterson: the slackbuild also just converts the rmps :P [17:23] Pig_Pen: rworkman provides packages, no need to keep rpm around :D [17:23] Dominian: macavity oh, i see [17:23] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@70-13-234-73.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:23] cool! [17:23] Pig_Pen: oh yes.. the PR departments ever lasting trick :P [17:23] removepkg rpm [17:24] i can see both good things and bad things to come from modding slackpkg to accept more than one "repo" [17:24] the bad thing is that every idiot not yet strangled in his navel cord will add LP.net :-/ [17:25] iareyez_ (n=iareyez@190.86.213.73) joined ##slackware. [17:25] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.40.212) joined ##slackware. [17:25] the good ting would be having a nice list of alienBOB, rworkman and $LOCAL_HERO's package dirs distributed to all my machines [17:26] Oh, I remember now: read that trying to build OOo from source is an exercise in futility. [17:26] mr_patterson: yup [17:26] I don't think it's actually as bad on recent hardware [17:27] used to be bad on older 486 systems, but I'm sure a nice quadcore could chug through it in a couple hours :> [17:27] mmmm quadcores...... [17:27] which is worse, (all of) kde or OOo? [17:27] if you include qt, probably kde [17:28] yes [17:28] deps + Qt -> deps + KDE takes "a while" :P [17:29] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: "leaving" [17:29] I guess when I get my system back up and running the way I want it I'll test the theory and report the findings.. (took about 7hrs to do KDE, without qt) [17:29] macavity: "a while", heh, that's for sure. KDE 4.3 on slack took about 5-6 hours. :P [17:30] fire|bird: how many deps did you have to upgrade first? [17:30] I've run the script for building KDE (3.5.10), and I've also just installed KDE as it comes with Slackware. I don't notice a difference in performance. [17:30] macavity: strigi, soprano, and akonadi [17:30] fire|bird: you didn't have to do java? [17:31] macavity: for 64bit, vbatts has kindly made packages available of 4.3.1 [17:31] quasar: no [17:31] hm, strange [17:31] why java? [17:31] not really vital for kde [17:32] I may've misread but I thought rworkman said it needed to be upgraded for KDE 4.3 also [17:32] Well, I didn't upgrade that here and it's working fine. :P [17:33] fire|bird: oh well.. those are pretty much KDE compontents in their own right, arent they? [17:33] macavity: yeah [17:33] iareyez__ (n=iareyez@190.86.218.47) joined ##slackware. [17:33] macavity: you're on 64-bit, no? [17:37] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-66-29-239.mem.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] iareyez (n=iareyez@190.86.218.77) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:38] Action: hitest is heading out for a quick beer.....be back later:) [17:38] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] lets run a little pol: what BitTorrent client do you use? If you want to, you can also say why (e.g.: because it's light, feature-complete, etc) [17:40] ktorrent [17:40] iareyez__ (n=iareyez@190.86.218.47) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:40] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.2.180) joined ##slackware. [17:40] i rarely use bittorrent but when i do i use transmission [17:40] Myself, I have tried rtorrent, transmission, and deluge [17:41] I have used transmission and ktorrent. [17:41] samuelig (n=samuelig@104.pool85-57-159.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:41] mr_patterson_ (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-percnhalepwihuvg) joined ##slackware. [17:42] samuelig (n=samuelig@251.pool85-57-135.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [17:42] samuelig (n=samuelig@251.pool85-57-135.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Client Quit [17:43] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-nybuvbimgpzamnqt) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [17:43] I use Transmission because it's simple, fast, and intuitive. [17:43] Nick change: mr_patterson_ -> mr_patterson [17:43] utorrent .. because I'm lame and dont use linux machines for stuff like that :) [17:43] nick4: ktorrent [17:44] gtg, bye [17:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:44] rtorrent here [17:45] because its light, and i dont have a gui on my linux box [17:46] transmission can be built without the gtk interface, use --disable-gtk --enable-cli [17:46] yes Pig_Pen [17:47] ah, i should try that [17:47] prlawrence> deco: cheers! I owe a debt to some slack-ers who started me on linux long ago. :-) [17:47] from #git :D [17:47] corte (n=corte@cpe-024-074-144-179.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:48] iareyez_ (n=iareyez@190.86.213.73) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:48] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:49] hmm... A CLI torrent client definitely has its advantages: as long as Slackware is running and you don't shut off the client, you can download and seed without worring about X issues. heh I might try that! [17:49] re [17:50] I've been using the official Bittorrent curses client in a screen lately [17:50] mr_patterson, used to do that [17:50] I've always preferred qbittorrent [17:51] I'm out in the valley right now and it's something near 103F [17:51] heh, 72F here. :P [17:51] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [17:51] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:53] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-160-115.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:53] neat, transmission has seperate daemon and client modes [17:54] 90 F in california it's hell -_- [17:54] yeah, transmission is nice [17:54] murasame (n=murasame@p57B66AA5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] not where I live it's not [17:54] i'm 50 mile inland today [17:55] antiwire: oh [17:55] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-percnhalepwihuvg) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [17:55] antiwire: well in OC it's hell [17:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [17:56] I'm in winnetka [17:57] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:57] antiwire: nice place ? [17:57] yeah when it's not summer [17:57] hehe [17:58] diabolix (n=jsoyke@206.210.81.55) left irc: "Leaving" [18:01] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:02] kworrell (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [18:03] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] six core opterons at 40W.. not bad :P [18:04] my Core2 Duo is at 65W [18:04] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.114.10) joined ##slackware. [18:04] http://7a69.co.uk/~ash/wakethefuckup.pl [18:04] hehe :D [18:05] amazing what crap you find in your ~ [18:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:07] when you've created a new split window in irssi with \window new how do you remove it? [18:08] you can split with irssi? ;x [18:08] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.2.180) left ##slackware. [18:08] screen ftw [18:08] right [18:09] ahhh... time to rewrite my latex resume ;x [18:10] hey now no s&m allowed [18:10] hm, need to do it too [18:10] lol [18:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [18:11] acidchild: someone just recommended I learn latex and use it for some of my projects (including things like resume) can you recommend a good starting point? [18:12] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:12] I just switched from konsole to xfce Terminal [18:12] The functionality is almost identical [18:12] except shortcuts [18:12] have to be modified(disabled) [18:12] I never used Konsole shortcuts though [18:12] antiwire: still using xfce? How's it going? [18:13] fire|bird: I like it [18:13] xfce++ [18:13] antiwire: I've always though xfce terminal had a much better font out of the box [18:13] Nick change: ClaudioM_ -> ClaudioM [18:13] antiwire: you can't get splitviews in xfce terminal :P [18:13] the only thing I ever really liked about konsole was quadkonsole [18:13] BP{k}: I've been using xfce more lately, it's really nice, and fast. [18:14] fire|bird: aye. Especially when you add some of the goodies :) [18:14] fatalnix (i=1000@cpe-67-251-7-122.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:14] Hello [18:14] deco: like splitvt :) [18:14] briareus: sorry was cleaning the ashtray of a table i have. [18:14] ;( [18:14] briareus: yeah, kde4 console can split and what not now. [18:14] buy a book or look at examples online [18:14] BP{k}: I installed them all. :/ [18:14] urg my keyboard is no super fucked. and all i did was clean it [18:14] fire|bird: finally. that was way back when quadkonsole was out [18:14] fire|bird: do you use them *all*? ;) [18:14] firedix (n=firedix@host157.200-117-186.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:14] briareus: yeah, it's nice. [18:14] BP{k}: Most of them, but not all, yet. :P [18:14] acidchild: dishwasher, then don't touch it for minimum 72 hours [18:15] good night [18:15] hmm [18:15] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [18:15] briareus: really....now.. thats a good idea. [18:15] I wonder if I can get armed slack to bookt on a nintendo DS XD [18:15] important that you don't touch a single key until its well dry (or the membrane is screwed for good) [18:15] or gemeboy advance [18:15] BP{k}: I wish thunar had tabs like pcmanfm (granted I can just use pcmanfm, but....) [18:15] just write my own modules for the video modes, input, etc... [18:15] acidchild: I used to work at a used computer store; we had a dishwasher and regularly washed a dozen keyboards at a time, then carefully racked them for weeks [18:16] don't touch a single key for at least 3 days, and longer the better. (leave it a week or more if you arent hurting for it) [18:16] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] Speaking of keyboards...my laptop keyboard should be dry by now [18:17] i should just buy a new keyboard, this is a non-name brand peice of crap i found at my old work [18:17] murasame (n=murasame@p57B66AA5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] urg, brb, gonna go highjack the keyboard on the TV in the front room [18:18] antiwire: oh yeah, you dumped water into it? [18:18] yeah [18:18] nearly a whole bottle [18:18] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:18] the whole laptop shutdown within seconds and I had ot take the thing apart and let it dry over night. [18:19] MeltzLer (n=chatzill@189.104.246.133) joined ##slackware. [18:19] laptop is fine and i'm using a backup keyboard for it now [18:19] lulz [18:19] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.95.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] fsck off [18:20] fsck off? [18:20] mhm [18:20] who are you anyways to be using that kinda language around here? [18:20] winter is a troll who hasn't been banned yet [18:20] i'm winter, the master of all of the ice, defender of the icestacles, the ruler of the snow [18:21] wow, there is so many other things that you could be doing at the moment. [18:21] damn your parents must be ashamed. [18:21] simple ban [18:21] just it [18:21] and i'll shit on you later [18:21] and you dont know a shit [18:21] and besides i dont care [18:22] and donkeys [18:22] and horses [18:22] it's just another rolling channel [18:22] couldn't put humpty together again? [18:22] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "network problems" [18:22] no sir :-( superglue doesn't work very well [18:22] he ripped his shell while getting laid shortly afterwards and died from serious internal bleeding [18:23] Is it just me or is MS desperate to get win7 into the hands of people? [18:23] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/04/1516223/Steve-Ballmer-Directing-House-Party-7 [18:23] /. ? [18:23] commie bastards [18:24] slackytude: no, you're right [18:25] ;( [18:25] if they truely wanted to get it out there they wouldn't charge $799 for a single-computer install [18:25] or whatever it is these days [18:25] aroun 100$ [18:25] Action: tediosu hates M$ [18:26] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:26] microsoft can keep the copy of win7 they were wanting to sell me because i am spending it on beer [18:26] heh [18:26] good plan! [18:26] it's $119 for the upgrade to Win7 Home Premium [18:26] retail for ome version is $199 [18:26] get more enjoyment out of it [18:27] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-66-29-239.mem.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [18:27] and that's for the crappy version of their craptastic software [18:28] win7 aint bad [18:28] trivia question: who hits 17-billion-DNS-queries-in-a-single-day ... and ... has a perfect, no downtime, ever record? [18:28] a hundred & twenty bucks can buy a lot of beer [18:28] aye [18:28] ale & whores [18:28] slackytude just gained some $$$ [18:28] huh? [18:28] a *nix of some flavor? [18:28] IT IS A GAME [18:29] that's not including upgrades that you'll have to get just so windows doesn't look down upon your system with a glare that would make medusa run away in fear [18:29] a fucking deadly one [18:29] quasar, nah, win7 is not as demanding [18:29] slackboy: apparently it is.. the RC that turned to release was shitty [18:30] dioz_mio (i=test@88.242.168.201) joined ##slackware. [18:30] OpenDNS [18:30] anyone from the uk here willing to show me how they have placed there education on their cv [18:30] quasar, you think? I like it [18:30] 10 minutes per boot is worse than Windows ME no matter how you slice it [18:31] havent seen that [18:31] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.111.101) joined ##slackware. [18:31] that's the main reason I removed it [18:31] wht machine? [18:32] Phenom 9550 quad, 4gb ram, ATI EAHD 4850 video card [18:32] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] O_o [18:33] ð_ð  _  [18:33] i see eyebrows [18:34] oh this keyboard is far from better. [18:34] its one of them clunky ones. [18:34] johndee (n=id@93.81.142.68) left irc: "link closed" [18:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [18:35] acidchild: Do you put personal projects on a CV? [18:35] i have no idea, should i? [18:35] even corperate work.. do i put it all on? [18:35] I don't know I was asking you ;) [18:35] it would be 4-5pages [18:35] ;/ [18:35] lol [18:36] i got some pretty badass refferences this time round too :D [18:36] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:36] shame they can't fix my spelling ^_^ [18:37] heavly distracted from this CV by my girlfriend cleaning my apartment in a schoolgirl outfit [18:37] gowddiggitydamn [18:39] MeltzLer (n=chatzill@189.104.246.133) left irc: Client Quit [18:39] antiwire: email me yours ^_^ ash@7a69.co.uk [18:41] isn't there a way to force cpan to automagically select 'yes' to all those stupid questions like "Can I really connect to the intarweb and gets me a cookie?!??" [18:41] yep cpan -y [18:41] ^_^ [18:41] ah, thanks [18:42] lol "Unknown option: y" [18:42] acidchild: haha, I was asking you so I had an idea of what I should do for mine [18:43] oooh... well [18:43] alot of bs works well [18:43] =] [18:43] quasar: think its called auto-commit [18:44] and you need to do it in the config console for cpan [18:44] you would need to google, '-y' might have been back in slack 10.0 [18:44] I've got all kinds of things I could put on it too; ranging from personal pet projects to things I've done for companies [18:44] keep all the company stuff on there and just put the best projects [18:45] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl9-250-89.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:45] grazymax (n=grazymax@host146-14-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:45] yes y | cpan [18:45] antiwire: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/PuVR2e71.html excuse spelling errors and grammar [18:45] thats an old one of mine [18:45] or just yes | cpan [18:46] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:46] acidchild: Awesome, thank you [18:46] wow that resume blows ass [18:47] antiwire: google 'letex resume examples' [18:47] acidchild, " excluding general windows usage" love that line [18:47] ;p [18:47] all bases covered [18:47] line 71 is the best [18:48] hmmm [18:48] i dont most research in openbsd and netbsd but i used aix and solaris [18:48] WUT?! [18:48] lol [18:48] i wrote this in a cybercafe while homeless [18:48] hehe [18:48] damn, that's interesting acidchild [18:48] :P [18:48] hence why its in rich text format :D [18:49] Necos: fu! [18:49] slackytude: that works, thanks [18:49] Action: slackytude bows [18:50] Action: quasar didnt' even know about yes lol [18:50] yes no [18:50] good, now chmod 0000 `which yes` [18:50] great combination [18:50] before you hurt yourself. [18:50] Action: quasar changes all of his passwords to $(yes) [18:51] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:51] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [18:53] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-66-29-239.mem.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:55] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [18:55] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-155-169-182.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:57] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:06] speaking about the latter, oh hey fire|bird :P [19:06] hey antler [19:07] is there any way to reduce glare from laptop screen? any thing i can put on it some film or whatever [19:07] spray paint [19:08] antler: i'm telling mommy on u [19:08] hahaha [19:08] siimo: Get an anti glare screen for it. :P [19:08] i'll tell my neighbout tomorow ... .. [19:09] s/neighbout/neighbour/ [19:09] heh fail [19:09] and another one in two months [19:09] and anyway [19:09] i think winter is that guy who lives with his parents in grandma's boy [19:09] fsck off [19:09] with the car bed. [19:09] you get that sweet CB radio yet, so you can speak to other car beds? [19:09] lol car bed [19:10] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [19:10] acidchild: hahahaha [19:10] the range of those probably doesnt go far enough to reach acidchild [19:10] acidchild: damn it that car bed thing doesn't sound too bad :P [19:10] haha [19:11] deco: especially with the accessories. :P [19:11] siimo: winter's room mates (parents) are gonna buy him a 1KW burner for his birthday [19:11] car dresser and car lamp :) [19:11] fire|bird: yup and when the wind blows :P [19:11] the car bed will rock? :P [19:11] woha [19:11] channel diss against winter? [19:11] hehe [19:11] I always liked spring more [19:12] Nick change: fire|bird -> summer [19:12] :D [19:12] :P [19:12] summer smells like BO [19:12] oh crap, this one's registered. [19:12] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.83) joined ##slackware. [19:12] Nick change: summer -> fire|bird [19:12] lol [19:12] lol [19:12] :P [19:12] yes, people i know are too [19:13] y0 lf4 [19:13] hey fire|bird Whats up? [19:13] hey lf4 [19:13] you at work? [19:13] finally just got rid of kde4's popup messages [19:13] lf4: not much, after a while I'm gonna reinstall slack64 on the lappy and give ext4 a spin. [19:13] \o. [19:13] lf4: you? [19:13] hey slackytude, na not yet, i'll be going in a few hours [19:13] oh [19:14] I shall be asleep and not get up before 12:00 ^-^ [19:14] winter ----> http://www.greatplans.com/images/race_car_bed_3.jpg [19:14] whats with the winter dissing all of a sudden [19:14] winter --> http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/grandma_s_boy/_group_photos/allen_covert1.jpg [19:15] fire|bird: Looking up crate engines vs rebuilding and also EFI ones. [19:15] the money && power [19:15] acidchild: ll [19:15] lol* [19:15] :D [19:15] acidchild, thats sad [19:15] anyone know what KDED Remote Base URL Notifier is? [19:16] smart shit [19:17] but it's a coool car [19:17] no he said "sweet car" [19:17] lol [19:17] sure it is [19:17] chicks totally dig that [19:17] hahaha [19:17] haha [19:17] winter's the man! [19:17] :D [19:18] i prefere whores, but whifes are cheapre. [19:18] KDED Remote Base URL Notifier in system settings / advanced / service manager [19:18] antler, kde4 is woefully underdocumented [19:18] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-160-200.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:18] whifes??? [19:18] acidchild: didn't finish school :P [19:18] slackytude: i think it's just a daemon. there's no description for it, though [19:19] he got the CB attachment for his car bed and hasn't left it since [19:19] hard to imagine [19:19] lol [19:19] antler, still [19:19] blah blah blah [19:19] time to eat [19:19] your roomies cook you sommat nice? [19:19] don't spill soda on your car bed ;-) [19:20] slackytude: are you liking it? [19:20] This morning I left my apartment and there was a cop car sitting out front. When I came back an hour later they had some dude in cuffs and were patting him down. they took him! [19:20] looked like a warrant situation [19:20] haha [19:20] antler, yes, but there are some annoyances and some stuff is harder to do than xfce. xfce is way more flexible, imho [19:21] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Connection timed out [19:21] fluxbox ftw \m/ [19:21] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] ugly to the point of perfection [19:21] isn't flux still at the same version as was released with 12? :P [19:22] sure, what else is there to change? [19:22] rofl [19:22] no stupid support daemons [19:22] exactyl lol [19:22] yeah [19:24] damnit wish i kept my .config for the 12.2 kernel. [19:24] you got the kernel still? [19:24] zcat /proc/config.gz [19:24] ^_^ [19:25] going through all the damn options is not fun.... no, i just installed 13 [19:25] want my copy? :P [19:25] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] SURE ta-hur ta-hur [19:25] :) [19:25] I'd go through and set everything * before sending it to 'em [19:25] 2.6.21.5-smp? [19:26] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:26] this is from 12.0.0, is that good starting point atleast? [19:26] acidchild: we have different hardware; yours might be of no help to me [19:26] its just a modular kernel. [19:26] ah i don't do initrd [19:26] me nether [19:27] they are la ghey [19:27] supremely [19:27] ghey are ok [19:27] hahah [19:27] oldconfig on something that old will take just as long as going through manually [19:27] go eat your alphabet soup winter [19:27] thrice`: just hold down return :P and use menuconfig [19:27] I'm forced to use initrd for luks! [19:28] antiwire: same here on my laptop, but it's not bad. [19:28] there're people on both sides of the fence on this one, but unless i have a specific reason for compiling my own, stock is fine performance-wise save boot time, no? [19:29] i'll probably just leave it stock... [19:29] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] man kde4 sure is purdy, though :D [19:30] if you roll your own you an really make your box boot quick [19:30] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-160-115.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:31] Anyone here on 13.0? [19:31] acidchild: shaving off a second or a minute off boot time matters little (to me) [19:31] I'm having a network issue with my 12.2 upgrade [19:31] i'm just too damn lazy [19:32] antler: same, never turn my computer off anyways [19:32] acidchild: yeah [19:32] Bringing up the network devices leads to "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" [19:32] me rarely [19:32] Any ideas? [19:32] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [19:33] Actually, "ifconfig eth0 up" does the same thing [19:33] An ifconfig -a shows the device, however. [19:36] Motoko-chan: which chipset? Sounds like missing firmware. [19:37] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-160-11.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:38] It's e100 [19:38] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:38] Guest36375 (n=root@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:38] I also see the devices in /proc/net/dev [19:38] Machine is an IBM Netfinity 4000R [19:39] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] Yeah, dmesg shows firmware not loading. [19:40] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:40] Never saw that before for e100 [19:40] What package should I dig for? [19:40] good night [19:40] need help [19:40] Motoko-chan: what does lspci -vv show for the module? [19:41] i can't loggin my user in normal boot, only booting from cd [19:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [19:42] define luck [19:42] Guest36375: what is the error when you try to login as normal user? [19:42] juice__ (i=juice@ice-cold.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] Guest36375: what runlevel? where are you trying to login? [19:42] the password is invalid [19:42] Guest36375: can you login as root? [19:42] but from the cd work [19:43] yes [19:43] Nick change: Guest36375 -> Cyberlover [19:43] Guest36375: from the CD ... describe what you did there. [19:43] Nick change: kworrell -> istoutgrill [19:44] Nick change: welanx1 -> welanx [19:44] i just boot from cd and loggin as root [19:44] with no passwd? [19:44] whit the passwd [19:45] Cyberlover: you boot into your installed system? [19:45] NunYaDamnBidnith (i=1002@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] you'd benefit from reading the slackbook [19:46] anyone know a good audio volume mixer? [19:46] jake (n=jake@89.240.207.88) joined ##slackware. [19:46] other than alsamixer, kmix or aumix [19:46] audacity? [19:46] no [19:46] jack [19:46] not the mixer, the volume control aspect. [19:46] jake? [19:47] define trust [19:47] aumix? [19:47] Action: acidchild slaps NunYaDamnBidnith [19:47] rexima? [19:47] nope [19:47] eh, getting to tired. but isnt there a jack mixer thingy on sbo [19:47] something GUI thats not QT [19:47] ah [19:47] slackytude: you mean qjackctl? [19:47] finally, he decides to provide something [19:47] gimp? [19:47] yeah, buts qt [19:47] o-m-f-g NunYaDamnBidnith [19:47] slackytude: yeah [19:47] GIMP RLY? [19:47] what on earth is going on in here? :S [19:47] that's all on slack [19:48] RLY RLY? [19:48] does gimp control my audio volume? [19:48] like the nick? [19:48] dont ask, obey, it's helthier [19:48] grep says yes [19:48] or join the indians [19:49] it's Friday. i dont give a damn [19:49] it's like a mental marathon for slugs [19:49] lol [19:49] winter: there are no indians left [19:49] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-75-224.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:49] but their culture is alive [19:49] http://www.mail-archive.com/e1000-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01170.html [19:49] I think that's the issue [19:50] kernel-firmware isn't installed [19:50] or could be resurrected [19:50] For whatever reason [19:50] so much of space in the usa [19:50] Space is BIG [19:50] Cyberlover: I never saw an answer from you ... [19:51] oh how nice. seems you can't disable the taskbar-preview-window in kde-version-in-13 [19:51] Cyberlover: if you're into your running system as root, issue "passwd " and change it [19:51] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-160-200.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] antler: you can , you mean the little boxes that pop up when you hover over a minimised window ? [19:52] 07:41 < mingdao> Motoko-chan: which chipset? Sounds like missing firmware. [19:52] mingdao: wait me please [19:52] deco: precisely that. i shouldn't have given up reading the forums [19:53] antler: it's possible let me look at it again [19:53] Action: Motoko-chan has never seen e100 require firmware before, but guess it does now [19:53] deco: toolbar tips something like that let check again [19:53] damn antler * lol big fail [19:53] deco: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3106001.0 second post. notice the date. [19:53] mingdao: i don't understand english very well, so i need the dictionary for find some words xD [19:54] Cyberlover: what language? [19:54] deco: hehe how? [19:54] mingdao: spanish [19:54] como estas? [19:54] antler: i used my own nick instead of yours :P [19:54] bien [19:54] oh [19:55] hablas español? [19:55] siempre bien, pur su gracia [19:55] antler: damn it i knew howto just forgot lemme try [19:55] learning Chinese has ruined my español [19:55] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-160-11.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Connection timed out [19:55] lol [19:55] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-160-193.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Cyberlover: do you still remember the root password for the system? [19:56] mingdao: for some reason or other, i always thought you were chinese. but now it appears that you're either a spanish speaking chinese, or not chinese at all [19:56] antler: I'm a child of God ... nothing more. [19:56] yeah [19:56] mingdao is a foreigner; the world's full of them. [19:56] Cyberlover: then boot into the system and login as root [19:56] yes [19:57] Cyberlover: then issue "passwd " and change it [19:57] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A74DCC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Cyberlover: passwd ---- is your normal user's name [19:57] I guess I'm f* now [19:57] i guess i shouldn't guess based on nick alone, for i myself look nothing like an antler [19:57] I try to do [19:57] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:57] mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom [19:57] antler: haha [19:57] Cyberlover: such as, "passwd mingdao" will change the password for user mingdao [19:57] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [19:57] And get unknown device [19:58] what device? [19:58] Motoko-chan: sine the slackware forum failed... I decidd to try something else: sligg.slackadelic.com [19:58] e100 needs firmware?!? [19:58] mmm [19:58] ok [19:58] rob0, apparently [19:58] the answer is no, it doesn't [19:58] And I can't mount my cd to install the firmware package [19:58] Cyberlover: I am going to eat a breakfast tortilla now ;) [19:58] thrice`, it seems to [19:58] i'll try, (is correct?) [19:58] ok.. idle for a bit.. need to use my monitor/keyboard for this new install [19:58] I'm turning japanese! [19:58] jaja [19:58] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Motoko-chan: promise :> it's been supported in the kernel for ages [19:58] antler: You want the window previews in kde4 gone? [19:58] I really think so. [19:59] Cyberlover: si [19:59] e100 0000:02:01.0: firmware: requesting e100/d102e_ucode.bin [19:59] > >> e100: eth4: e100_request_firmware: Failed to load firmware [19:59] > >> "e100/d102e_ucode.bin": -2 [19:59] Channel flood from Motoko-chan -- kicking [19:59] Yeah... [19:59] Motoko-chan kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:59] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] Action: Motoko-chan kicks slackboy [19:59] yeah, but i haven't looked that hard, fire|bird . make me say "uncle" before you just post it for me. [19:59] mingdao: ok, vuelvo enseguida [19:59] WB you flooder!! :) [19:59] I'm getting a slight variation of that error [19:59] antler: hahaha [19:59] antler: damn i find the option anymore but it is possible i did it [19:59] i can [19:59] Cyberlover (n=root@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [19:59] i can't* [19:59] Motoko, just get the firmware and stuff it in /lib/formware already [20:00] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl206-35.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [20:00] Motoko-chan: oh, wow! that's hackish :D [20:00] Now my main personal server is offline [20:01] deco: from my experience pointing and clicking around kde4, it's just not there, damnit. [20:01] antler: found it dude! [20:02] deco: let antler guess. :P [20:02] fire|bird: suffer a little bit :P [20:02] deco: He's lazy, if he'd think a little, he could get it. :P [20:02] Dominian: neat. [20:02] :) [20:02] don't you have the kernel source? the firmware is there, cp it to /lib/firmware [20:02] fire|bird: lol :P [20:02] you can delete my post if its too boring. :) [20:02] antler: So, c'mon, what is it? :P [20:03] acidchild: yeah [20:03] antler: yeah what is it :P [20:03] nah.. I'm not going to delete anything [20:03] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:03] unless it goes beyond what the topic is.. way beyond [20:03] antler: Use your brain, just a little, but, first, you have to stop sitting on it. :D [20:03] haha [20:03] antler: it's on the most logical place [20:03] ;-) [20:04] antler: You wanted me to make you say uncle. :P [20:04] lets not feed antler ants anymore :P [20:04] intill he finds it [20:05] Action: fire|bird hears antler googling frantically. :P [20:05] lol [20:05] fire|bird: the silence :D [20:05] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A74DCC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:05] nheco (n=nheco@201.35.68.71) joined ##slackware. [20:06] I think he fell asleep. :/ [20:06] it was too much for him :P [20:06] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:07] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [20:07] caused a kernel panic :P [20:07] haha [20:08] sorry had to do something [20:08] Cyberlover (n=root@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [20:08] uh huh, yeah, sure. :P [20:08] failed at googling it :P [20:08] hahah i'm googling now [20:08] :D [20:08] hahahha [20:09] mingdao: hey, work it [20:09] thanks [20:09] antler: Seriously, THINK about it, where would the most logical place for a setting like that be? [20:09] antler: yeah you don't need to google it , it's on the most logical place for it [20:09] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:10] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [20:10] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [20:10] well, to me... most logical is right in the settings of the taskbar [20:10] panel [20:10] and you've looked there? [20:11] what is he trying to find? :) [20:11] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [20:11] thrice`: shhhh :P [20:11] i've just looked again.... panel settings [20:11] lol [20:11] *facepalms [20:11] resizing? [20:11] thrice`: hahaha [20:11] ok ok i must help this poor child [20:11] thrice`: trying to find his brain in kde4. :P [20:11] annoying pop up previews from minimized windows [20:12] it's too much to bare :P [20:12] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:12] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] ooh, ok :> [20:12] thrice`: he's trying to get rid of window previews [20:12] fire|bird: should i give the answer already ? :P [20:12] deco: Well, is smoke coming out his ears yet? [20:12] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl24-243.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:12] lol [20:12] lol [20:12] ok, uncle. [20:12] lol [20:12] AH HA, he said it. [20:12] deco: go for it [20:12] yay! lol [20:12] Booting with a burned copy of CD1. [20:13] antler: ready! [20:13] Hopefully, I'll be able to get something fixed... [20:13] deco: hahaha yeh [20:14] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [20:14] antler: right-click on the panel go to task manager setting and deselect tooltips [20:15] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [20:15] and your second task, should you wish to undertake it... [20:15] deco: omfg. all along i thought that was the greyed-out title of that particular menu. [20:15] jesus. [20:15] antler: \o/ [20:15] didn't even bother to read it hahah [20:15] antler: hahahaha [20:16] Action: fire|bird high fives deco [20:16] Motoko-chan, you just did an upgradepkg upgrade on a live system? [20:16] thanks...... uncles [20:16] lol [20:16] Action: deco high fives back fire|bird [20:16] Did you leave the old kernel as a boot option? :) [20:16] antler: np lol [20:16] fire|bird: noobfarm :D [20:16] rob0, I did slackpkg upgrade-all [20:16] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [20:17] :) [20:17] Usually it works fine. Seems the new kernel needs kernel-firmware, which wasn't installed. [20:17] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [20:17] aha [20:17] fire|bird: this kde4 thingy is pretty cool [20:17] Action: Motoko-chan also keeps the changes notes handy [20:17] antler: yeah, it is. :) [20:18] antler: especially now that you got those nagging pop-ups out of the way. :P [20:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] http://rommie.animeneko.net/temp/desktop20090826.png <-- KDE4 [20:18] y0 hitest [20:19] Served by the server that was down [20:19] hi fire|bird:) [20:19] fire|bird: hahahahaha ... i was put off at first because i thought you couldn't click stuff on the desktop. [20:19] did you get the fw from the kernel tree as i suggested? [20:19] mancha, no [20:19] I couldn't. [20:19] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:19] No source on box, and usb/cd/net wouldn't work [20:19] antler: lol [20:19] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [20:19] I booted off CD1 and installed a/kernel-firmware [20:20] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-160-193.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:20] how do you boot off cd if cd doesn't work? [20:20] It wasn't working inside the broken environment. [20:20] fire|bird: antler just got noobfarmed :D [20:20] \o/ [20:20] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:20] It works just fine otherwise. [20:21] thats more systemic then, lacking nic fw does not a cd break [20:21] Action: fire|bird waits for antler to sing "If I only had a brain" :P [20:21] lol [20:21] antler: yeah kde4 is a beauty :) i now use the desktop view [20:21] YOU and deco both FAIL. i'm still getting the preview windows in my pager [20:21] Yeah, I'll figure that part out later. [20:21] fire|bird: ^^ [20:21] antler: what! [20:22] It's an old box. Netfinity 4000R [20:22] antler: that disabled it here. [20:22] antler: lies [20:22] So why didn't a/kernel-firmware install? [20:22] hover above your pager [20:22] Action: hitest is heading out for a bite to eat...see you folks in a bit [20:22] antler: try logging out and back in? [20:22] antler: I have. [20:22] nbuonanno (n=nbuonann@cpe-67-248-90-44.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:22] see ya hitest [20:22] You can get one for $150 off eBay. [20:22] (P3 based 1U server) [20:22] see ya fire|bird [20:22] that's pretty serious work -- log out/in -- just to get rid of some popups [20:22] http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-8652-64-Netfinity-4000R-Pentium-3-Server_W0QQitemZ190259733022QQcmdZViewItem [20:23] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [20:23] SQOTD: is bittorrent required for bittornado? [20:23] fire|bird: ^^ [20:23] antler: serious work? what?!?!? :P [20:23] nbuonanno, libbittorrent might be... [20:23] fire|bird: i think atler just wants us to look bad :P [20:23] what is the documentation file that explain how to build the kernel? [20:23] deco: aha! revenge hahah [20:24] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [20:24] antler: right click on a title bar --> configure window behaviour --> all effects --> taskbar thumbnails. [20:24] antler: Disable it. [20:24] antler: lol, ah you mean when you hover over the workspace widget thing etc right ? [20:24] antler: Do you have desktop effects enabled? [20:24] jalonso (n=jalonso@c-98-212-124-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] adamk_: Yeah, that's it in his case now, but wouldn't be if he had effects disabled. [20:25] I don't think KDE provides thumbnails for tasks in the taskbar if effects are disabled. [20:25] It just provides a popup with the name. [20:25] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:26] adamk_: ok. deco: yeah. fire|bird: no. [20:26] So, therefore, I'm going to assume he has desktop effects enabled in KDE :-) [20:26] If not, no great loss. [20:26] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.114.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:26] I'm running Slackware 13.0 in virtualbox (host is Slackware 12.2) I installed the guest addons from slackbuilds.org. Pointer integration works, but the screen resolution is stuck at 800x600. Anybody seen this problem? Know the fix? [20:27] adamk_: i already had effects disabled. [20:27] antler: Double-check, click the kde icon, go to System Settings, then Desktop, is Enable Desktop Effects checked? [20:27] hey guys, how do I enable my server so that I may connect to it remotely? [20:27] >>running slackware 13.0 [20:27] fire|bird: hahah yeah, i always had that turned off [20:27] fire|bird: He'll see when he right clicks on a title bar and goes to 'configure window behaviour'. [20:27] jalonso: forware the ports [20:27] forward* [20:27] Motoko-chan: http://www.pastebin.org/15088 [20:28] antler: So is it still off now? [20:28] deco: can this be done in the command line? [20:28] fire|bird: yeah, of course. hence, my puzzlement. [20:28] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.7.84) joined ##slackware. [20:28] antler: have a screenshot of just what you're talking about? [20:28] antler: Any chance you are running compiz? [20:28] jalonso: are you using a router ? [20:29] deco: yes, a Dlink router [20:29] adamk_: there's a chance, for i don't know whether or not i am [20:29] compiz and kwin w/compositing are the only way to get live thumbnails of windows from the taskbar, as far as I know. [20:29] deco: oh, I think I know what you mean [20:29] antler: What's the output of 'ps ax | grep compiz' ? [20:29] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.40.212) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:29] jalonso: you have to login to it and than enable port 80 [20:29] or forward* [20:29] ah gimp menu does not show the icon [20:29] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:29] deco: ah ok....thanks! [20:30] adamk_, aka., sherlock: 4198 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep compiz [20:30] Icon=gimp [20:30] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Alright, so no compiz... [20:30] I'd be interested in seeing that screenshot fire|bird asked about. [20:30] adamk_: oh, i called you sherlock because i thought compiz WAS running [20:30] hahah [20:30] jalonso: you're welcome :) [20:31] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [20:31] ok, one sec for screenie [20:31] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Success [20:31] fire|bird: adamk_ guys you know what i have the same problem with my page :O [20:31] pager* [20:31] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:32] and i have effects disabled [20:32] You guys are just strange. [20:32] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:32] adamk_: new to #slackware ? lol :P [20:32] Relatively :-) [20:33] relativity is not absolute. [20:33] deco: do I enter port 80 on UDP and TCP? [20:33] adamk_: oh ok no wonder :P [20:33] jalonso: tcp [20:33] deco: thnks [20:33] tcp [20:33] adamk_: I'm not, my stuff works. :P [20:33] jalonso: np :) [20:34] adamk_: fire|bird just has issues wiht nick names :P [20:34] with* [20:34] hey now. :P [20:34] :P [20:34] deco: you're seeing the same thing? :P [20:34] fire|bird Camry are better [20:34] antler: yep lol [20:34] um, due to technical difficulties, a screenshot will not be available as promised [20:35] deco: lol [20:35] What the.....does Camry have anything to do with [20:35] cars [20:35] the Firebird, Camry [20:35] oh good grief [20:35] he thinks you're a car fire|bird [20:35] i'm tryin to subtly insult you :) [20:35] antler: apparently [20:35] how could he [20:35] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:36] antler: s/technical difficulties/laziness/ :P [20:36] or, s/laziness/I don't know how/ :P [20:36] just like earlier, when i thought mingdao was chinese -- mingdao reminds me of "tao te ching" "ming dynasty", and other chinese related stuff :P [20:36] fire|bird: lol [20:37] antler: Why can't you get a screenshot? [20:37] but deco 's seeing the same thing [20:37] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.83) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:37] NunYaDamnBidnith (i=1002@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "[BX] I see your BitchX is as big as mine!" [20:37] Well, I am on a newer kde than both of you. [20:37] antler: fire|bird antler damn i took one [20:37] lol [20:38] fire|bird: kde 5.0? [20:38] 4.3.0 on desktop and 4.3.1 on laptop [20:38] 5.0, haha, I wish. :P [20:38] oh yeah fire|bird you're on the newer one :P [20:38] fire|bird: 1) i don't have shortcuts set up yet, 2) i didn't want to admit that i couldn't readily do it from the command line, 3) i was too lazy to google for that command, 4) i couldn't take a snapshot with ksnapshot and make the popup at the same time, etc. :P [20:38] antler: fire|bird adamk_ here http://imagebin.ca/view/jDjvkN.html [20:39] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [20:39] deco: hahaha [20:39] juice__ (i=juice@ice-cold.net) left ##slackware. [20:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:39] antler: you can set a delay! my god!!!!!! [20:39] lol [20:39] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425739.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:39] antler: Well, for the cli, you need scrot from SBo, ksnapshot you could still, have that the active window, move the mouse over to get the pop-up, and hit enter, thus activating the screenshot. [20:39] deco: you needed the shot to show that you in fact had effects disabled [20:39] deco: Errr.. I'm not seeing any thumbnails like antler was talking about? [20:40] deco: lol [20:40] or do what deco said. [20:40] nheco (n=nheco@201.35.68.71) left irc: Success [20:40] antler: damn it do it again lol [20:40] deco: That there is just a tooltip, no window preview there. :P [20:40] or use 'import' [20:41] mmm import beer [20:42] I'm wondering if we're all talking about the same thing here. [20:42] tomato, tomaato. i'd like to see it gone just the same. :D [20:42] fsck all [20:42] fire|bird: antler adamk_ now ? :P http://imagebin.ca/view/zlTmZyvW.html [20:42] winter: stfukthxbai [20:42] winter: why fsck when you can say the real word ? [20:42] THERE! [20:42] Action: fire|bird hits deco with an antler. :P [20:42] hahaha [20:42] no no, no no no no... . [20:43] deco: That isn't a window preview either. [20:43] Action: deco dodges and throws water at fire|bird :P [20:43] jalonso (n=jalonso@c-98-212-124-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:43] fire|bird: damn :-( well antler said there!!!! [20:43] ok, ok. my mistake for calling it a preview [20:43] antler: that's what you're seeing? [20:43] antler: bad bad antler [20:43] :D [20:43] it's real [20:43] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-182-83.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:43] howdy folks [20:43] is that a tooltip? [20:43] fatalnix (i=1000@cpe-67-251-7-122.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:43] antler: YES [20:43] antler: so wtf lol do you get what i get ? [20:43] depends on a point of view [20:44] fire|bird: but i disabled tooltips, tah-hur tah-hur [20:44] antler: YOU IDIOT. :P (j/k) [20:44] I thought you guys were talking about something like this: http://adam.npark.com/snapshot20.png [20:44] aha [20:44] antler: so my second screenshot was correct right ? [20:44] i'm having some trouble getting xorg to use the "gb" layout [20:44] adamk_: That's what I thought to by what he was saying. [20:44] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.78.119) joined ##slackware. [20:45] deco: for what antler is seeing, yes. [20:45] i used the xorg configuration utility and chose the gb map [20:45] fire|bird: shame shame :D [20:45] but it does not work [20:45] fire|bird: you guys don't get antlers they are a special breed :P [20:45] $$$ more [20:45] fire|bird: deco : the preview window is gone. somehow. but deco posted something similar to what i'm seeing [20:45] lol [20:45] my xorg.conf has the correct line: Option "XkbLayout" "gb" [20:45] anyway [20:45] Nick change: dr_brudel -> dr_breaudelle [20:46] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425739.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] deco: NOT special breed, but special needs. [20:46] :P [20:46] :P [20:46] that pastbin widget sure is handy :D [20:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [20:46] adamk_: Nice background btw. [20:47] a fearless american soldier, a surrounded american soldier [20:47] winter: how old are you? [20:47] welanx (n=welanx@74.44.49.80) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [20:47] 777 [20:47] deco: He's 10, remember, car bed? :D [20:47] fire|bird: oh yeah lol :P [20:47] i'm 5. [20:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) joined ##slackware. [20:47] winter: mentally or physically ? [20:47] fire|bird: Thanks. I have a naked man on the other monitor... Didn't think anyone really wanted to see that, though. [20:47] both [20:48] Cyberlover (n=root@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [20:48] adamk_: lol [20:48] adamk_: haha, no, not really. :P [20:48] adamk_: rofl [20:49] antler: lets just leave it like that :D [20:49] antler: That naked man isn't you, is it? You weren't captured running in the forest again, were you? [20:49] i just installed new motherboard and processor. all other parts are the same. im trying to compile something that was compiling fine before but now i get "internal compiler error" and "segmentation fault"... what could cause this? [20:50] i'm too oiled up, too greased to be captured [20:50] fire|bird: that's winter he managed to get his car bed running lol :P [20:50] pizzledizzle: Overheating? Faulty RAM. [20:50] deco: hahahahahaha [20:50] A segmentation fault and an internal compiler error. [20:50] And, on that note, I'm off. See everyone later. [20:50] Good luck with your tooltip problems. [20:50] Not necessarily in that order. [20:50] antler: oiled up? :O, what'd she do to you? [20:50] fire|bird: deco adamk_ : so, can you get rid of the pager tooltip? [20:51] fire|bird: it's that guy from Family Guy [20:51] antler: Well, they are gone on mine from unchecking it in Taskbar Settings, but I'm on 4.3.0 and 4.3.1 [20:51] antler: no life is not always fair :) [20:51] antler: Sorry, but if you can, I don't know how. I've never seen an option for that and I've been using KDE4 for quite a while on FreeBSD. [20:51] it's not at all mate [20:51] antler: You could check on #kde. [20:51] define fair [20:51] how much resource does KDE4 need? [20:51] can I just try installing it on slackware? [20:51] winter: what you have never experienced [20:52] THERE. i'm not crazy. "i'm not an animal" --john merrick, aka., the elephant man. [20:52] I remember people enthusiastically compiling Gnome or KDE in 1998 [20:52] just trying to be a realist [20:52] they had just come out [20:52] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.111.101) left irc: "Leaving" [20:52] dioz_mio: KDE4 is what's on slackware, so yes, you can try it out if you choose to. [20:52] dioz_mio: Slackware 13.0 comes with KDE4.2. You can safely try it and never use it again if you don't like it. [20:52] winter: need oil change on that car bed ? [20:52] cool [20:52] fire|bird: kde4 is on slackware13? [20:52] OH MY!!! [20:52] briareus: yes [20:52] 4.2.4 [20:52] 13.0 is out!?!?! [20:52] wow I never realized!! 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[20:57] 1. no personally identifiable info will be shared with third parts for advertising with explicit consent [me; what about govt demand for identity?] [20:57] just prooved that you have no idea about the words you're shietiting out [20:57] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-43-167-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:57] winter: no that's your problem you can't face things in life [20:57] part me? [20:57] anyway [20:57] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-182-83.netvisao.pt) left irc: "leaving" [20:57] stops to be fuhn [20:58] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:58] Action: winter & [20:58] 2. ... they will enable carry over of settings, prefs, other info on comcast-owned/operated sites. [isnt this microsoft wallet type stuff? is this good; i'd pass] [20:58] winter: big kiss to you [20:58] anyone got google chrome working on slack [20:58] blackorca (n=blackorc@70.4.17.31) joined ##slackware. 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[21:00] Quiznos: they're all cracked up. :) [21:01] I'm having trouble setting up an initrd to load vmlinuz-generic-2.6.29.6. My root partition is on a SATA drive. I've used this command but it fails to boot saying it can't load /dev/sda1 (my root partition): mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6 -m scsi_mod:sd_mod:mbcache:jbd2:ipr:ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda1 [21:01] fatalnix (i=1000@cpe-67-251-7-122.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:01] you don't load a kernel with initrd [21:01] I assume those modules that I've selected are not the correct ones, but as of right now I don't know which ones to use. [21:01] fire|bird yea; but the word they used is all psycho-programming to make seem like ``hey, we're here to help'' but they mean ``damnit we need your money and here's how we're gonna do it.'' [21:02] word/wording [21:02] lol, yeah. [21:02] XGizzmo, am I doing something wrong, or was my wording simply incorrect? [21:02] well; i hope y'all liked my rendition of comcast mail; [21:02] thus ends the quiznews [21:02] XGizzmo, the kernel does load, but it fails to mount my root partition because I think I'm not loading the correct modules. [21:02] yea [21:03] [21:03] there :P [21:03] blackorca: sorry I miss read you [21:03] heh [21:03] blackorca: what slackware version? [21:03] XGizzmo, it's okay :) [21:03] 13.0 64-bit [21:03] I'm using ext4 on a SATA drive, trying to load the vmlinuz-generic-2.6.29.6 kernel. [21:03] i'm currently backstepping to 12.2 from 13 [21:04] Quiznos, why? [21:04] how is that back-stepping [21:04] ? [21:04] x doesnt work here [21:04] TwinReverb i'm going back to 12.2 [21:04] run /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd-generator.sh or whatever its called [21:04] IMO 13 isnt ready for prime-time [21:04] blackorca, what kernel did you try to load? [21:04] Quiznos, why? [21:05] problems; mine and others i've seen here. [21:05] 13 is just fine for prime time, i'm doing just fine here [21:05] ok [21:05] excellent. but not for me. [21:05] 13.0-rc1 and 13.0-rc2 were just fine too (i did a clean install of each one) [21:05] kool [21:05] others that screwed up just as bad as you did? [21:05] TR, it doesnt work for everyone [21:05] /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh. [21:05] TwinReverb, vmlinuz-generic-2.6.29.6 [21:06] brb, first coffee of the nite [21:06] blackorca, did you make an initrd? [21:06] get yours while it's hot [21:06] TwinReverb, yes, I tried to [21:06] XGizzmo, that returns: mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda1 -o /boot/initrd.gz [21:06] blackorca, did you see it load modules when you ran the command? [21:06] you didn't specify what modules bro [21:06] yeah run that command boom initrd [21:06] mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6 -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda1 -o /boot/initrd.gz [21:06] XGizzmo, I tried this before but it didn't work (I think because it needs to load scsi? modules for my SATA drive) [21:07] modules: -m ext4:and:any:others [21:07] without -m you didn't specify what modules [21:07] is there really situation when slackware needs initrd? [21:07] sorry if missed something [21:07] all sata drivers are compiled in the kernel [21:07] TwinReverb, I tried this command earlier: mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6 -m scsi_mod:sd_mod:mbcache:jbd2:ipr:ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda1 [21:08] blackorca: did you add it to lilo.conf, did you run lilo? [21:08] are you using RAID? LVM? LUKS? [21:08] XGizzmo, in the generic kernel, even? [21:08] XGizzmo, yes [21:08] blackorca: yes [21:08] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [21:08] TwinReverb, no, none of those [21:08] did you specify the initrd in lilo.conf ? [21:08] adamk_: what?! compiz-fusion? man, get that outta there and use kde's stuff [21:09] TwinReverb, I added this line: initrd = /boot/initrd.gz [21:09] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:09] and then ran lilo in root [21:09] hmm [21:10] but huge works? [21:10] correct [21:10] antler: i wish i had a good video card to use the eye candy :P [21:10] hmm what is scsi_mod? [21:10] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:11] I have no clue, I saw it online somewhere. I originally tried sd_mod:jbd:mbcache:ext4 and that didn't work, so I kept adding modules, and it still doesn't work [21:11] will this new 13.0 kde 4.* run ok with only 32mb agp i wonder [21:11] scsi is part of the generic kernel: try it with only ext4 [21:11] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:11] silasgtcs (n=silasgtc@189.115.245.59.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:11] deco: why do you have the fusion icon there, if not to control compiz-fusion and eye candy? [21:11] you don't need to specify jbd2 btw, it sees that ext4 needs that and adds it on its own [21:11] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [21:11] something didnt work here and I tried for 4 days to fix it; some of you helped, but i just wasnt able to fix it. so why am I being lynched by some? others have also visited us here to resolve probs and some of them were able to fix. [21:12] nvidia that is [21:12] antler: not me it's prob someone else [21:12] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [21:12] Quiznos, you're not being lynched. we have no rope and this is IRC. [21:12] geoff_k: 32mb nvidia card ? [21:12] deco: http://adam.npark.com/snapshot20.png [21:12] Action: XGizzmo hides the rope. [21:12] TwinReverb i have been on the recieving end of some harsh words from some here. [21:12] antler: that's not mine that's adamk_ [21:12] TwinReverb, so mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda1 -o /boot/initrd.gz [21:12] oh [21:12] hahah [21:12] antler: big fail lol [21:12] deco, yeah my desktop has one works good with 12.0 i just wonder about new kde in 13.0 before i upgrade [21:12] HUGE [21:13] geoff_k: you could always NOT use KDE [21:13] geoff_k: i have an nvidia 32mb card running kde 4 it's fine :) [21:13] geoff_k: just don't enable the effects [21:13] dave-rgv (n=dave@cpe-70-116-96-29.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:13] danc3, thats my fall back [21:13] blackorca, add -m ext4 [21:13] deco, excellent [21:13] geoff_k: fallback from what? [21:13] geoff_k: it works really well [21:13] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:13] deco: but it was YOUR FAIL. scroll up. [21:13] lol [21:13] -m says "i need these modules", -f just says "btw, the FS of my / is ext4" [21:13] fall back from not using kde [21:14] you specify what modules you need using -m not -f (fyi) [21:14] geoff_k: huh? [21:14] nm [21:14] antler: no i said i wished i had a good video card to use the eye candy lol [21:14] TwinReverb, oh, oops. I will reboot and report back if this works/does not work. I'll write down the exact error message I get if it fails just in case it's another issue. [21:14] brb [21:14] blackorca (n=blackorc@70.4.17.31) left irc: "Leaving" [21:14] welanx (n=welanx@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [21:14] ok. i failed 1/2 [21:14] :D [21:14] antler: you are on a roll man! :D [21:14] lost in translation is all i can say [21:14] somebody stop meh! [21:14] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [21:15] geoff_k: damnit she was so hot in that one [21:15] antler: you'll be on noobfarm by tomorrow :D [21:15] Quiznos: I told you before, you made the channel well aware of your every upgrade move. *I* believe you screwed up. So freaking what. We all make mistakes. Do a freaking clean install, and move the hell on. [21:15] eh [21:15] geoff_k: just try kde4 it will work very well :) [21:15] whats the issue i dont get it [21:15] Action: danc3 agrees with chopp [21:15] yeah, regardless of -current being stable, when 13.0 came out, i did a clean install of both 32bit and 64bit [21:16] chopp i may have; and now i need to get back to productivity. i've worked on it for four days. that's enough. [21:16] i hope so i been a slacker since i got into linux [21:16] Quiznos: and we've heard about it for four days. that's enough. [21:16] Quiznos: but you have not done a clean install. [21:16] i found that wicd was a bit loopy so that's been the only problem with 13.0 (and wicd is in /extra so that's not supported hence not slackware's fault) [21:16] soon as i put mandrake in the bin i got into linux [21:16] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] wicd works fine for me [21:16] welanx (n=welanx@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] danc3 so what are you complaining about? see that's what i dont get. we couldnt get Slac13 to work here; ok. so we screamed and yelled and ranted. now it's time to figer out what works. 12.2. [21:17] Quiznos: Slack13 works perfectly for me, just as 12.2 did. [21:17] excellent. [21:17] but not me. [21:17] geoff_k: hehe, i started with kubuntu than sabayon later ubuntu and finally slackware been happy slacking ever sense :) [21:17] deco: i have an old ati x1600 i'm not using, sitting there, lonely, and collecting nothing but dust. [21:18] Quiznos: that's because you won't listen to anybody here who is advising you to do a clean install. [21:18] ive had some good time with ubuntu but i know hwere my passion lives [21:18] brb [21:18] xsomeone is trying door [21:18] antler: this machine is a laptop :( [21:18] danc3 i did all that was suggested. [21:18] Quiznos: no you didn't [21:18] i did more so while offline [21:18] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] a clean install was suggested, multiple times [21:18] danc3 why do you protest so much? [21:18] I'm not protesting anything [21:18] because he cares [21:18] if we didn't care we wouldn't bother talking to you [21:18] just trying to help you keep the facts straight [21:18] that was odd but nothing to worry about [21:19] initrd.gz: Loading kernel modules from initrd image: mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt failed: No such device [21:19] your caring comes with thorns that are unnecesary [21:19] clean install ftl! [21:19] :D [21:19] i dont need the thorns [21:19] Quiznos: I told you two days ago that you should do a clean install because you have clearly borked something, likely udev. [21:19] blackorca, uh, ok, so you re-ran lilo after you rebuilt the initrd right? [21:19] TwinReverb, correct. [21:19] antler: so there's no way of upgrading my card [21:20] danc3 how is a dvd-booted installed different from upgrade -install-new *? [21:20] etc/ had to be preserved [21:20] deco: have you tried jumper cables? [21:20] antler: no :P [21:20] TwinReverb, I checked my history just to make sure I reran lilo, and yes, I did. [21:20] Quiznos: because it doesn't leave old/wrong/corrupted/changed configs in place. [21:20] everything that had to be new was installed new. [21:20] nope [21:20] you've got a borked udev there [21:21] if you would just do the install you could get back to work [21:21] just do a clean install already -_- [21:21] TwinReverb, I just thought of something. I did compile a custom huge kernel to change timer frequency from 1000 HZ to 250 HZ (and made those modules)... would doing that have deleted the modules necessary to be loaded for the generic kernel? [21:21] jalonso (n=jalonso@c-98-212-124-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] it might take you an hour, instead of the four *DAYS* you've wasted, whining about it here in IRC [21:21] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.64.23) joined ##slackware. [21:22] blackorca: I doubt it, they should be there [21:22] why would you move timer from 1000 Hz to 250 Hz ? [21:22] and no, i don't think it would've deleted the modules [21:22] I am going to setup a static IP address to my server, do I need to modify any changes on my router? [21:22] >>running dlink router [21:22] danc3 wine goes with a meal and the mean was trying to fix [21:23] mean/meal [21:23] blackorca: look there in /lib/modules [21:23] TwinReverb, separate issue.. Doom3/Quake4/Prey (basically all games that use the Doom 3 engine) take a huge performance hit when using 1000 HZ [21:23] jalonso:D [21:23] Quiznos: yeah whatever. Go backup your home dir, and do a clean install. THings will be fixed. [21:23] blackorca: where'd you get that idea? [21:24] agris: sorry, DLink :D [21:24] jalonso: to run the server you don't need to do anything with router whatever model it is [21:24] briareus, TwinReverb: find /lib/modules | grep jbd (or ext4) shows nothing [21:24] :P [21:24] at least as you described it :DDDD [21:24] agris: gotcha, thank you very much [21:24] blackorca, ok. hey, when you did the kernel recompile, did you load the /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp first? [21:24] i sorta remember reading in the description for the options 1000 and 250 that 1000 is more multimedia desktops, whereas 250 is for servers [21:25] antler: that is correct [21:25] danc3, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (a newer id software game) mentions in the README that a timer freq. of 1000 HZ is recommended... by changing this, I found doom 3/quake 4/prey's performance dropped a LOT [21:25] blackorca: grep -i jbd /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6-smp/.config ? [21:25] agris: just so that I can be sure tho, if I wanted to connect to it using ssh, I would need to enable port forwarding, right? [21:25] blackorca: that could be, but it wasn't because of the timer change. If anything, that would increase the game performance. Something else caused that. [21:26] briareus, the directory /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6-smp doesn't exist (linux-2.6.29.6 does) [21:26] antler: yeah, just read it last night [21:26] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] briareus, CONFIG_JBD=y and CONFIG_JBD2=y [21:26] blackorca: ah, sorry I looked at filelight and typed the wrong one [21:26] jalonso: it seems you're trolling [21:26] agris: trolling? [21:26] :o) [21:27] hmm /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/kernel/fs/jbd/jbd.ko [21:27] agris: I just looked up what trolling means! [21:27] danc3, I've tested it many times changing it from 1000 HZ to 250 HZ (different kernel versions, etc) and it's been reliable that 1000 HZ causes the FPS in doom 3 to flip out (constantly go up and down from like 20-60) [21:27] trolling is fun but i wouldnt try it in here [21:27] jalonso: you need to forward the ssh port on your router [21:27] jalonso: ftp etc... [21:27] if you want [21:27] deco: hey deco, i did, and it worked! [21:27] danc3, I also found that setting HIGH_RES_TIMER=y in the kernel even while 250 HZ is set causes the *exact* same problem [21:27] jalonso: :D [21:28] blackorca, well anyways, you could always make ext4 <*> since you're already recompiling the kernel [21:28] deco: he is trolling... no way someone could do that so fast :) [21:28] just be sure you load patrick's generic config before you start [21:28] lol agris [21:28] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.40.212) joined ##slackware. [21:28] deco: agris: I dont mean to waste your time with this newbie questions, but, well, I'm a newbie to server administration :) [21:28] agris: i think he did that before i told him :P [21:28] TwinReverb, well I guess according to what briareus is showing me, since I compiled a "huge" kernel, it deleted the modules from /lib/modules, so this could be the reason why it's not working, correct? [21:28] yeah [21:28] TwinReverb, the initrd would load the modules from /lib/modules, correct? [21:29] oh :) [21:29] blackorca, if you make ext4 <*> in the kernel you won't need an initrd [21:29] blackorca: I don't think either of those should affect game FPS. I have them both set here and those games work perfectly fine. [21:29] i don't know if that is the case but it's possible [21:29] wait, I screwed that up blackorca, I was looking at the -smp again when I typed that [21:30] when configuring the kernel before you start compiling, you should always add a prefix like -test or something so you don't clobber your modules [21:30] danc3, weird, perhaps it's my hardware? [21:30] exit [21:30] TwinReverb: where do you add that prefix? is that the general setup tab of menuconfig where you can append a system name? [21:30] blackorca: could be. I'm using high end Nvidia cards here. It could also be something else in your kernel config (this is likely the case). [21:31] jalonso (n=jalonso@c-98-212-124-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [21:31] danc3, the *really* weird thing is that I can have 250HZ or 1000HZ set and doom3/prey/etc in wine runs great 60+ FPS ultra quality full antialiasing and all [21:31] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.52.77) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:31] tomorrow argentina vs brazil :D \o/ [21:31] blackorca: I dunno. No idea why that happens, doesn't do that here. [21:31] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.56.116) joined ##slackware. [21:31] er suffix [21:32] it's in the first thing, general setup i think [21:32] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] TwinReverb: yeah I thought that's what you were referring to. I never made that connection (that its good to prevent module destruction) [21:32] danc3, could you run cat /proc/timer_list and tell me what "Clock Event Devices" are on each of your cores? [21:32] TwinReverb: unless you compile everything in :) [21:33] briareus, but if you want you can always reinstall all your kernel modules packages from the CD/DVD to get your modules back 8-) [21:33] that would be faster if you just want to use generic-smp [21:33] oh, blackorca ^^ [21:33] blackorca: ok sec [21:34] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:34] danc3, maybe this too: dmesg | grep "per-cpu timer" [21:34] blackorca: I grepped and got three in my laptop: hpet and two lapics [21:34] blackorca: I see one instance of "hpet" and two instances of "lapic" [21:35] yep [21:35] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] blackorca: that grep returns nothing [21:35] same here, nada [21:35] bash-3.1$ dmesg | grep "per-cpu timer" [21:35] bash-3.1$ dmesg | grep "per-cpu" [21:35] bash-3.1$ dmesg | grep "timer [21:35] nada. [21:35] danc3, dual-core processor? [21:35] blackorca: yes [21:36] yes here too [21:37] danc3, in /proc/timer_list.. the lapic ones are in the blocks of text that say: "Per CPU device", correct? (if you understand what I mean) [21:37] blackorca: yes [21:37] okay, thanks [21:37] this is way over my head, but I'm just trying to find out whatever I can [21:37] my one core has the timer hpet2 and the other has lapic [21:37] the hpet is in "broadcast device" [21:37] hmm [21:38] you have two timers? [21:38] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:38] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:38] you have two *different* timers? [21:38] maybe since the core timers aren't the same, it causes the problem? I have no clue [21:38] I don't know much about all that, either [21:38] briareus, I guess? haha [21:38] well... it doesn't make sense to me, but its kinda over my head too [21:38] silasgtcs (n=silasgtc@189.115.245.59.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [21:38] my cores both say lapic [21:39] I should probably go on the kernel mailing list and ask if something is fishy with this [21:39] hpet is the "broadcast device" here [21:39] it *is* a newer processor, being the Athlon II [21:40] danc3, what processor do you have in your system that you use for doom 3? [21:40] Core2Duo [21:40] ah [21:40] 2x -> model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz [21:40] two machines with that [21:41] one's a laptop [21:41] Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8100 @ 2.10GHz [21:41] mine's a laptop. It doesn't have the graphical cojones to be a gamer system [21:41] laptop there, and the desktop is a T8300 (2.4Ghz) [21:42] well I guess for my original problem I'll just compile a generic kernel with ext4 compiled in, but this problem idk [21:42] I've got a 8600M GT nvidia card in this lappy [21:43] blackorca: that's what I did [21:43] danc3: I think I have something shittastic like intel GMA3100 or somesuch [21:43] Action: danc3 is sticking with ext3 for a while yet [21:43] danc3: I just completed a full system backup, so I figured what the hell :) [21:43] I didn't know what to pick but I figured I'd give ext4 a try [21:44] yeah me too [21:44] briareus: yeah, that's ok for normal usage but not gaming [21:44] ArTourter (n=artourte@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] I've *never* had a full blown unrecoverable error in ext3. Either the drives have been dead or I was able to recover (one time with epic labor) [21:44] same here [21:45] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.56.116) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:45] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Fuck off with your Star Trek ideas" [21:45] but I've had big problems with murderfs [21:45] nod [21:45] screw that one [21:45] root (n=root@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:45] twice it imploded on me. [21:45] twice. [21:45] like I said, I might consider ext4 at about Slack 15 [21:45] Nick change: root -> Guest79277 [21:45] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.65.111) joined ##slackware. [21:46] slackboy doesn't kick "root" users any more? [21:46] apparently not [21:46] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:46] ArTourter (n=artourte@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:46] jake (n=jake@89.240.207.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:46] used to be an instant auto-kick [21:46] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.64.23) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:46] Guest79277: are you running as root? [21:46] I was kicked for it once, way back when. forget what channel, but I forgot I was in a tty as root [21:46] heh [21:47] I was like WTF because whatever the channel was didnt have an error that said why I was being kicked [21:47] Action: danc3 commences trying to hack Guest79277 's box [21:47] Guest79277: nice porn in your harddrive man [21:47] eew, except for this animal gay rights thing here [21:47] I like the credit card numbers better! [21:48] gay animal sex? Guest79277 ? What's your problem? [21:48] no kidding [21:48] I guess he's too much of a n00b to even know how to answer [21:48] straight animal sex is the only animal sex I endorse [21:49] same [21:49] these gay animals start messing around with the natural order and all hell breaks loose. [21:49] te_ (n=te@c-98-197-168-140.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] yeah, next thing you know, you've got creatures like Nancy Pelosi running amok [21:50] Action: briareus pukes up in his mouth a little bit at that imagery [21:50] lol [21:51] heh [21:51] Nick change: Guest79277 -> Cyberlover [21:52] oh buy here we go [21:52] Cyberlover: put the lotion down before you start typing [21:53] I'm PM'ing with him [21:53] me too, he's asking me to do something perverted to him with a pigeon [21:53] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "network problems" [21:53] ROFL [21:54] briareus, we don't need to know in here, take it to ##slackofftopic [21:54] I said there is no way in hell I will do it. not for anything less than 200 bucks. [21:54] English is not Cyberlover's first langauge, so your crude remarks probably go right over his head. [21:54] Cyberlover: did you get your password changed? [21:54] mingdao: its better that way [21:54] mingdao: since I have no enmity to someone I dont know [21:54] like TwinReverb .... take it somewhere else [21:55] It's just beer-thirty on a holiday friday nite [21:55] briareus: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k [21:55] Cyberlover (n=root@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [21:55] he took my advice [21:55] hehe [21:55] another n00b saved [21:55] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] oh ffs [21:55] He just doesn't know any better, and he can't login as normal user atm. [21:56] no room for humor eh? [21:56] He can be told in a different manner. [21:56] mingdao: no kidding [21:56] dioz_mio (i=test@88.242.168.201) left irc: [21:56] This isn't #script-kiddies [21:56] mingdao: how long have you been using Slackware? [21:56] I knew he wasn't even responding to me ffs [21:56] since about Oct '03 [21:56] I was talking to him in PM [21:56] and you? [21:56] it was a communication primarily with danc3 and it was amusing. so sorry. [21:56] not that it amounts to anything danc3 [21:56] mingdao: you should know that's how it is in here sometimes [21:57] nbuonanno (n=nbuonann@cpe-67-248-90-44.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:57] that's why I'm not in here much ;) [21:57] mingdao: well, true, but we have fun with the n00bs sometimes. Actually helped this one. [21:57] reti (n=reti@71.94.76.191) joined ##slackware. [21:57] It's only fun if it's fun for both parties. [21:57] ... [21:57] mingdao: not always true [21:58] we helped him, and he didn't really know it, but he's better off [21:58] fuck. me. so sorry to have abused anyone's delicate sensibilities. Look here, problem solved. [21:58] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left ##slackware. [21:58] just use a little respect for your fellow human beings ... it will be appreciated [21:59] We'll see [21:59] good [21:59] I'll take it under advisement. [21:59] heh [21:59] good [21:59] ˆ}! [21:59] i need some serious utf happening in my konsole [22:00] antler: you use konsole and irssi? [22:00] å¾H}! [22:00] Oh, you don't like someone posting in a language you don't understand? [22:00] see! gibberish [22:00] try "LANG=en_US.UTF-8" [22:00] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/packages.html [22:01] mingdao: i had this issue in 12.2. ##slackware's best minds couldn't fix it. i haven't looked into it yet for 13 [22:01] antler: might just be your chat client [22:01] alright, i'm having trouble getting slack on a wan [22:01] antler: what client? [22:01] my card is all good, but how do i actually connect to the network> [22:01] irssi [22:01] antler: and you use konsole? [22:01] hahah usually terminal, but konsole tonight [22:01] antler: You have to set irssi for utf as well. [22:02] antler: you probably don't have any Chinese fonts installed ... sorry, it said "very good!" [22:02] antler: you trying to use different language ? [22:02] irssi does UTF by default here [22:02] mingdao: It didn't here [22:02] in konsole, urxvt, and xterm [22:02] mingdao: not necessary. your post just made me remember utf in my 12.2 box. that's all :) [22:02] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [22:02] urxvt? [22:02] fire|bird: I also have my own irssi compile, and maybe the theme is different [22:02] i think he means rxvt [22:02] unicode rxvt [22:03] mingdao: that could be. [22:03] no, I mean urxvt [22:03] Action: TwinReverb prefers xterm but oh well [22:03] you should use it for Korean stuff ;) [22:03] oh ok i thought wrong [22:03] Action: TwinReverb is in korea but he uses his computer in ENGLISH because he doesn't know enough korean [22:03] how do i connect to a wifi network? [22:03] It does a great job editing with vim TwinReverb [22:03] dude patrick should think of putting out ISOs for non-US [22:03] (i.e. with anything that is export-restricted removed) [22:03] i only say this due to AES etc [22:04] TwinReverb: nothing restricted here [22:04] PRC, you know ... steal at will ... copyright = the right to copy ;) [22:04] mingdao: you are being watched. [22:04] i thought AES stuff (cryptsetup and friends) were export restricted [22:05] mingdao: :) [22:05] TwinReverb: http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/rxvt-unicode.html [22:05] ah [22:05] r0xer (n=root@41.232.163.185) joined ##slackware. [22:05] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [22:06] how do I connect to a wifi network, my card is working, I just don't know how to actually connect to it [22:06] can be confusing -> /usr/bin/urxvt [22:06] i would assume patrick knows about it and will possibly be swapping out rxvt for urxvt due to how things seem to be moving towards UTF8 in the CLI [22:06] but i am only guessing [22:06] reti: edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf or use wicd from ./extra [22:06] Nick change: reti -> Reticenti [22:06] Nick change: Reticenti -> reti [22:06] would be nice TwinReverb [22:06] reti: using which Slackware version? [22:06] reti, without wicd, it's "iwlist wlan0 scanning | less" to browse the WAPs [22:06] I'm using 13 [22:07] if wlan0 is up [22:07] which arch? [22:07] reti, then when you select one, "iwconfig wlan0 essid "WTFEVER"" then "dhcpcd wlan0" (if this is an unsecured WAP) [22:07] x86 [22:07] have you ever run Slackware before reti ? [22:07] i have back when it was 10.1 :\ but i enver got internet working on it [22:07] reti, http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/packages.html [22:07] I would suggest you install wicd from ./extra [22:07] reti, get wicd here, there was a bug fix between the release of slackware 13 and that bug fix in wicd [22:07] do you have a DVD or CDs? [22:08] bug? [22:08] I'm trying to connect to a wpa-psk network [22:08] hidden networks? [22:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:08] yeah per #wicd with hidden networks [22:08] I have the dvd, and installed everything but emacs [22:08] reti: yours? [22:08] my what, mingdao [22:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:08] i.e. it renames some stuff when it's "LIBRARY" or whatever, and you can't connect to it using wicd due to that [22:08] this fixes that (i am using it myself and i am sure it works) [22:08] your WPA network? [22:08] yeah [22:09] reti: installpkg ./slackware-13.0/extra/wicd/wicd-1.6.2.1-i486-1.txz [22:09] I just dont know how to actually connect to it [22:09] then read the instructions with wicd [22:09] o.O [22:09] um, are you sure you want him to install 1.6.2.1 if it has a bug, and i have the package for 1.6.2.2 ? [22:09] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZEYYQLiI28g/SIPE8SCEaiI/AAAAAAAABTc/2UlntKR2-Q8/s400/food+044.JPG [22:09] TwinReverb: I gotta upgrade a comp to Slackware64, so I will bow out to you, okay? [22:09] am i crazy or does that chocolate chip say deli? [22:10] mingdao, sure, it's all good [22:10] mingdao, do you use Skype? [22:10] no, TwinReverb, he doesn't want to cyber with you. [22:10] TwinReverb: it works here ... and he doesn't have a hidden network, so I would rather advise a new guy to use the official pkg, then update through /patches [22:10] Action: TwinReverb slices off antler 's cranium using a slackware64 DVD [22:11] no offense TwinReverb [22:11] mingdao, it's all good [22:11] TwinReverb: yes [22:11] i was about to recommend not going slackware64 if you use skype [22:11] nite all [22:11] so i am craZY do any of you even actually exist in that case [22:11] TwinReverb: I use Skype of Slackware64 [22:11] night hitest [22:11] have since end of May [22:11] it's far easier to install slackware 32bit and skype (already out there) than 64bit then the 32bit compat libs then skype [22:11] night fire|bird [22:11] mingdao, where did you get skype 64bit? [22:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:12] so mingdao, what do i do to connect? [22:12] there is no Skype 64-bit [22:12] reti: install the package first [22:12] mingdao, there's a ubuntu package (.deb) but it requires 32bit compat stuff [22:12] i tried re-engineering it but it don't cooperate [22:12] mingdao, the one here? http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/packages.html [22:12] reti, yes, that's the bugfix [22:12] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [22:13] wicd is mostly python so i'd say it's a rather safe upgrade anyways [22:13] mingdao@silas64:~$ which skype [22:13] /usr/bin/skype [22:13] mingdao@silas64:~$ arch [22:13] Channel flood from mingdao -- kicking [22:13] x86_64 [22:13] mingdao kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:13] i built it using patrick's own slackbuild script off the dvd in source/ [22:13] (just with the 1.6.2.2 obviously) [22:13] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. [22:13] it's possible to install wicd from my site, then as root "/etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start" and then run the client utility as user [22:14] well, my slack compy isnt on the net yet [22:14] got usb sticks? 8-) [22:14] i think wicd 1.6.2.1 may be fine but no guarantees [22:14] yup, thats what i'm doing now :) [22:14] ah [22:14] reti: read ./slackware-13.0/extra/wicd/README.SLACKWARE [22:15] TwinReverb: it works fine here on a number of comps [22:15] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "network problems" [22:15] yeah make sure your user is in the netdev group (if you used adduser and pressed the up arrow on the "extra groups" step then you are part of the netdev group) [22:15] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [22:15] Since he only needs to connect to his network, the bug won't effect him. [22:15] did anyone solve kopete problem with yahoo and MSN? [22:15] worked fine for me too with 12.2, 13.0-rc1, 13.0-rc2 etc but for some reason i had issues with the routers here [22:16] MSN is a pain in the rear, fwiw. i've seen so many bugs in the history of gaim/pidgin due to microsoft screwing with their protocol that i would recommend migrating to yahoo-only or yahoo and jabber [22:16] reti: I was advising you to install wicd from the Slackware DVD. [22:17] oh [22:17] but I already have everything from the dvd installed [22:17] And read the /slackware-13.0/extra/wicd/README.SLACKWARE file on the DVD, also. [22:17] besides which, jabber is far more secure than MSN (but few people know about jabber) [22:17] TwinReverb, what ever both not working, I don't have msn account but I tested it anyway.... [22:17] reti: Not that, because it is in extra [22:17] i don't use kopete but pidgin works fine on 13.0 [22:17] reti: extra doesn't get intalled [22:17] ah [22:17] reti: The packages in extra don't get installed. [22:17] installed* [22:17] Kopete is bugy now , even with yahoo [22:17] r0xer: pidgin :D [22:18] r0xer: iirc there was a thread about that in LQ ... but I, also, use Pidgin so don't know. [22:18] deco, come man :D it's so damn poor [22:18] r0xer: it's not as buggy as kopete for sure :P [22:18] mingdao, Ok i'll search for it now [22:18] deco, lool...ya right [22:18] r0xer: http://www.elabs7.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=ax0v,hxct,33o,jc6x,eozx,9ui4,glmy [22:19] deco, but it's still poor :D [22:19] r0xer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_protocols [22:19] so mingdao, how do i install it from the dvd :/ [22:19] TwinReverb, I don't like any chat protocol except IIRC :D [22:19] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [22:19] TwinReverb, but it's for my company here we use yahoo sometimes :D [22:19] reti: just copy it from /extra [22:20] reti: than installpkg [22:20] ok [22:20] reti: open the dvd in a file manage go through extra and just copy the wicd package and than installpkg [22:20] manager* [22:20] alright [22:20] reti: you don't really have to copy it [22:21] and I'm installing this as root, is that ok? [22:21] i tried over and over to convert people on my msn list to jabber or yahoo. after about a month i just emailed them all a note saying i'll be on yahoo and closed my hotmail account 8-) [22:21] reti: you have to [22:21] reti: you can ONLY install as root [22:21] mmk [22:21] thats what i thought, just making sure [22:21] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:21] TwinReverb, MSN protocol is not that bad, but whatever I don't like microzoft things [22:22] alright, i installed the txz mingdao [22:22] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.3.12) joined ##slackware. [22:22] what happened to linuxpackages guys? [22:22] they should close this project !! [22:22] r0xer, they use their own packages, that's what happened to it [22:23] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [22:23] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:23] TwinReverb, bte, did any site except slackbuild add any packages for 13? [22:24] btw* [22:24] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.65.111) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:24] r0xer, yes, there are several, hold on [22:25] rworkman's packages (very good): http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [22:25] slack.eu ? [22:25] alienBOB's packages (very good): http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [22:25] ya I know alien, [22:25] my own packages (a work in progress): http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/packages.html [22:26] i usually don't put any up that already exist but at the same time if it don't exist in txz i'm building it (because txz is more efficient to be saved on disk imho) [22:26] aha... [22:27] i don't do a clean build environment like others do, however (i.e. in a VM). my install is clean so i just build. [22:27] thanks for the links sites with 13 packages. [22:28] TwinReverb, is that your own server? [22:28] that is my friend's server (puresimplicity.net) FreeBSD [22:28] the dude who runs it (#2cpu HEMI) is brilliant [22:28] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [22:28] aha. [22:29] TwinReverb, apache 2 is damn bugy if you use it for shared server [22:29] Action: TwinReverb didn't notice [22:30] https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=47337 [22:30] till now it's bugy :D [22:30] dave-rgv (n=dave@cpe-70-116-96-29.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:30] https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=45959 [22:30] check this too [22:32] ooo, the SG-U preview looks great. [22:32] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.10.190) joined ##slackware. [22:33] thumbs, welcome to the real world :D [22:33] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: No route to host [22:33] mingdao, it says "could not connect to wicd;s D-Bus interface. Check the wicd log for error messages" [22:33] r0xer: the real world? [22:34] TwinReverb: got a quick question regarding your packages that you referenced above... If you use the scripts from SBo to build them, how are they any different from what someone could produce themselves by using the SBo scripts...? [22:35] danc3, sorry to bother you again, but could you run this on the box you use for doom3: cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource [22:35] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:35] blackorca: that box is not available at the moment... I can run it on this lappy if you want... [22:36] danc3, because some SBo scripts that are for 13.0 are still using tgz and i prefer txz for efficient storage [22:36] I see [22:36] and because i built them (hence i tag them "rad" so that people can remember where they got them) [22:36] danc3, nevermind then, thanks anyway :) [22:36] blackorca: ok [22:36] if you're not distributing you don't need to change the tag [22:36] hmm i just tried a fresh install of slack13 on my desktop and it doesnt recognize my nic of all things... lame [22:36] does it really save that much space ? [22:36] the other difference would be that instead of you building it using SBo, you're just downloading them instead [22:36] TwinReverb, I forgot to thank you for your help as well, thanks :) I'm just going to compile the kernel with ext4 built-in (maybe try it with the module too and the initrd, but now it's not a problem) [22:36] danc3, in my experience about 10-25% [22:37] blackorca, no problem [22:37] i am so mad! i just installed slackware and it left a huge pile of dirty dishes in the kitchen sink [22:37] so i installed wicd, and it wont start up [22:38] Rip, see the kitchensync(1) man page. [22:38] i did and it told me to get my lazy but in there and wash them [22:39] mingdao, are you still there? [22:39] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:39] reti, did you start it? as root, "/etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start" [22:39] reti: just came back [22:39] hmm [22:40] i did wicd-client [22:40] as root [22:40] reti: did you read the file? [22:40] yeah [22:40] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] and the conf file was empty of any real info [22:40] reti: what does "ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd" output? [22:40] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:40] chmod +x ? [22:40] can't output that RipVanWinkle [22:41] thats not an output, thats more of a change mode [22:41] everyone has x ability [22:41] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A74DCC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] you don't wicd-client as root [22:41] that's for the user [22:41] reti: I didn't ask that ... [22:41] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd && /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start [22:41] reti: when somebody asks for output, give the output [22:41] Action: danc3 can't take it any more, must go watch TV until this is over [22:42] mingdao: -rxwr--x-r-x 1 root root 947 {date} /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd [22:42] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [22:42] i am watching RobotChicken at the top of the hour [22:42] Action: TwinReverb is going to compile audacity next [22:42] mingdao: -rxwr-xr-x 1 root root 947 {date} /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd * [22:42] ew I'm getting rid of audacity next! [22:43] erisco, urpmi remove audacity # 8-P [22:43] Robot Chicken is hilarious [22:43] punk.. [22:43] oh, ok, it works now, i had to run /etc//rc,d/rc.wicd start [22:43] =p [22:44] it is one of the few shows adult swim has that is worthwhile [22:44] Action: TwinReverb misses Sheep in the Big City [22:44] the Oblongs were cool but i guess there is only so many ideas you can use for a guy with no arms & no legs [22:45] twinreverb: why the other package manager? [22:45] erisco, i'm messing with you. i joked, accusing you of using mandrake/mandriva :D :P [22:46] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] I didn't know what distro. it was, but i knew it wasn't slackware. [22:49] mingdao, wicd says I'm connected, but I can't ping anything [22:49] TwinReverb: you don't post your SlackBuild scripts with your packages? [22:49] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:50] not even the router [22:50] no sense since all i do is change tag and maybe the file suffix (tgz -> txz) [22:50] reti: what does "iwconfig" and "ifconfig" output? [22:50] use pastebin.com reti [22:50] all the other info is freely available on the internet [22:50] i mean i could but i don't right now [22:50] fatalnix (i=1000@cpe-67-251-7-122.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:50] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] ok, will be a few since i have to copy to usb and stuff [22:50] so where did you get the Ooo SlackBuild from? [22:50] slackbuilds.org [22:51] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] TwinReverb: I read "I am not here to replace Robby Workman, only to supplement his efforts. If you don't find it here, chances are that's because it's offered by him" [22:51] But Robby has an OOo pkg, so I figured yours would be different. [22:51] afaik he builds his using the slackbuilds scripts as well [22:51] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.3.12) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:52] Just curious, TwinReverb, as it's just a repackage anyway ... [22:52] no sense in reinventing the wheel if you have one in your garage [22:52] yeah it's just a repack [22:52] TwinReverb: exactly... so why bother doing *your* package? [22:52] That was why I thought yours should be different. [22:52] exactly [22:52] ;) [22:52] TwinReverb: I'm waiting for your Chinese OOo pkg ;) [22:52] it's just a copy of the SBo packages, really [22:52] danc3, because it's txz and because i just feel like it [22:53] with a different "tag"... whoop [22:53] meh [22:53] SBo don't build it for you, you have to build it yourself [22:53] Still have the copyright? [22:53] I bet you get a lot of downloads, eh? [22:53] hehe [22:53] if you're on an atom processor you probably want a package not a build [22:53] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [22:53] my site is unknown and i could care less [22:54] Robby has a pkg -> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/x86_64/openoffice.org-3.1.1_en_US-x86_64-1_rlw.tgz [22:54] you mean you "couldn't care less"? [22:54] because what you said is that you *do* care [22:54] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [22:54] as i said before, if it's tgz, i'm going to build a txz [22:55] heh [22:55] txz is more efficient on bandwidth and disk space [22:55] who cares about either one these days? [22:55] i'm not doing this as a serious package repository [22:55] it's just a "hey i built this and it works, try it" [22:55] most slackers would prefer to build their own, I would guess. [22:55] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.10.190) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:56] TwinReverb: need to update your OOo to the latest version ... 3.1.1 [22:56] but if that's your logic then slackers don't use anyone's repositories anyways [22:56] mingdao, ah thanks, will do [22:56] oh, crap, the SG-U premiere is on my birthday [22:56] TwinReverb: almost correct... we use the *scripts*, not the *packages* [22:57] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [22:57] sg-u? [22:57] or OpenOffice.org 2.4.3, the legacy version [22:57] though who wants it? [22:57] Quiznos: SG-U [22:57] define [22:57] Quiznos: the next series after SG-1 / atlantis [22:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:57] ooo when's that? [22:57] oct 2nd [22:57] ty [22:57] Quiznos: you sound like winter with the define thing lol :P [22:57] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:57] IceW (n=old-time@189-46-247-130.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:57] it's exact :) [22:58] I use define all the time. [22:58] OOo -- Optical Ostrich obfuscated [22:58] me too, thumbs [22:58] specially here [22:58] define: Slackpkg [22:58] danc3, but you need to look at it this way: package repositories help people use slackware, not harm slackware. some people want things to just work. slackware would be the best in this area but oh well, without package repositories some people don't want to reinvent the wheel [22:58] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:59] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:59] why should some average Joe want to build all this krap when someone else already did the work? [22:59] that's what community is about [22:59] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] TwinReverb: same reason you did, I guess [22:59] for the experience [22:59] mingdao, no, he wants results now, i want to help others [22:59] S-A-T-I-S-F-A-C-T-I-O-N [22:59] TwinReverb: if you say so... [22:59] Or, he's a ricer ... gotta change those CFLAGS [22:59] Action: danc3 goes offline to switch to wireless... bbiab [22:59] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:00] you guys' logic makes no sense [23:00] if you want to build everything i guess use gentoo instead ? [23:00] TwinReverb: don't you think ? [23:00] why go offline to switch to wireless? [23:00] if slackers build their own stuff, why would alienbob and rworkman have package repositories? because not everyone builds their own stuff, and there's no sense in reinventing the wheel [23:00] ask THEM how many downloads they get and you'll see what i mean 8-) [23:00] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:00] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:00] TwinReverb: they don't build everything [23:01] I think TwinReverb took his toys and ran home. ;) [23:01] lol [23:01] na na na na na na :P [23:01] +1 TwinReverb [23:01] how do i properly eject a usb thumbdrive? [23:01] you don't [23:01] reti: pull it out [23:01] :D [23:01] you only unmount it with "umount /mount/point" [23:02] don't pull it out until AFTER you unmount it reti [23:02] deco: [23:02] mingdao: [23:02] mingdao http://pastebin.com/m67d3dfd5 [23:02] reti: you don't have a proper IP address [23:03] oh [23:03] 169.254.146.188 is what ifconfig shows [23:03] ah [23:03] it should be 192.168.1.x [23:03] deco (n=deco@69.108.68.96) left irc: "leaving" [23:03] reti: did you use the wicd client? [23:03] yeah [23:03] The little GUI thing that pops up? [23:03] yup [23:03] You need to setup your wireless. [23:04] Did one have your ESSID name? [23:04] eggs something? [23:04] yup [23:04] eggthis? [23:04] Click under it on ... properties? [23:04] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:04] i did [23:04] I'm not running wireless here, but can get one to look at if need be. [23:04] wpa? [23:04] wpa-psk [23:05] Have you setup /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf? [23:05] use wpa_supplicant [23:05] no mingdao [23:05] you need to put your psk in there [23:05] and your essid [23:06] anything else i_is_cat ? [23:06] wpa_passphrase and add it to your /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file [23:06] after that it should be good to go [23:06] and then in the little GUI popup you select WPA-passphrase or something like that and just enter "passphrase" [23:06] at least here you can [23:07] or whatever you used for "passphrase" when you setup the router's passphrase [23:07] I did mine about 5 years ago and used some little script [23:07] do i have to change scan_ssid ? [23:07] where? [23:07] in wpa_supp.conf [23:07] no, leave it as is in the file [23:08] habaneros (n=habanero@71.250.102.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] unable to get ip address :\ [23:11] reti: did you set your static IP, your gateway, and netmask in the dialog box? [23:12] reti: and you have made no changes to /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf ? [23:12] reti, you made sure to set both the ssid= and psk= in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? did you then run wpa_supplicant -qq -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? [23:14] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [23:14] reti: I need to go .... let i_is_cat help you please. [23:14] ok [23:14] thanks for your help mingdao [23:14] This is what your wpa_supplicant.conf should look like -> http://pastebin.com/m2bb46d46 [23:15] subsitute your values where I have < > [23:15] use not < > in the file [23:15] yw [23:15] ok [23:15] thank [23:15] s [23:16] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:16] when i can wpa_supplicant -qq .... it said " invalid psk failed to parse psk "mypsk" [23:17] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) left irc: [23:17] wpa-psk accepted for key managemnet, but no psk configered [23:17] when you run wpa_passphrase you should get something similar to psk=807b4b4c75ba6d98dd90fdffd0cdd4e3c6ea480bc1fb63698bb9b127ecfc1fe5 [23:17] oh [23:17] you need to copy that psk line the way it is into your /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file [23:17] ah gotcha [23:17] hba (n=hba@189.188.160.69) joined ##slackware. [23:18] is it the psk hash? [23:18] ? [23:18] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:19] like, the password i use to connect to the wifi on my windows machine is only 10 characters long [23:19] how do i get that long one? [23:19] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [23:19] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:19] well if you run wpa_passphrase it tells you: usage: wpa_passphrase [passphrase [23:19] ohhh [23:19] so substitute the ssid for your ssid and the passphrase for your 10 character passphrase [23:19] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) joined ##slackware. [23:20] leave out the < > and [ characters [23:20] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [23:20] then you will end up with a psk= line [23:20] isnt there documentation on this somewhere? lol [23:20] yeah, but I'm a complete newbie at wifi and linux :\ [23:20] it is kind of annoying the first time but after that you get the hang of it [23:22] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:24] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.120.162) joined ##slackware. [23:24] once you've adjusted the wpa_supplicant.conf file accordingly, run the wpa_supplicant command i mentioned earlier [23:24] then you're half way there [23:24] allright, i_is_cat, I got the long psk, and when I ran that fule, I get ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN: resource temporaily unavailbie [23:25] and i put the long psk in the conf file [23:26] ok [23:26] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:26] oh uh add a & to the end of that command to drop you back to the shell [23:27] te_ (n=te@c-98-197-168-140.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:27] I have a quick question [23:28] is anyone here running slackware 13's 64 bit? [23:29] and then run: dhcpcd wlan0 [23:29] wpa_supplicant likes to spew out weird messages like that ioctl one as its trying to bring up the interface, sometimes it can take a while and thats what the -qq is there for, to make is stfu [23:29] it* [23:29] not i [23:29] draeath, me [23:29] although i've been considering it [23:29] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] reti, where are you at? [23:30] ok, well i installed it a couple days ago, and i need mplayer/mencoder with x264 support, so i installed x264 and re-ran tthe slackbuild from the slackware source dvd [23:31] and i removed my current mplayer, and found out that it didnt actually uninstall mplayer. I was just wondering if anybody else has had this problem [23:32] sorry, i_is_cat, had to take out the trash [23:32] if you removed how it didn't was uninstalled [23:32] dragonmst, did it not uninstall mplayer or just leave a dir, etc? [23:32] is it on /usr/local/bin/mplayer? [23:33] i uninstalled it via removepkg mplayer [23:33] and all of it was left behind? [23:33] still in /usr/bin/mplayer [23:33] yes [23:33] r0xer (n=root@41.232.163.185) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:33] it is still fully functional [23:33] hmmm... haven't come across that before [23:33] i've had "sort of left behind and dinked" [23:34] me either [23:34] but never fully functional [23:34] in all the years i have been using slackware [23:34] do: grep -ni mplayer /var/log/packages/*|less [23:35] reti, is it working? [23:35] there are some packages listed, but they are all gimp, libvisual, and vim [23:35] my ip address is still set as 169.254.169.242 for some reason [23:36] mplayer file on vim package? o_0 [23:36] so that is a no, i_is_cat [23:36] vim package [23:36] oh yah [23:37] mplayerconf.vim [23:38] interesting [23:39] reti, did you run the wpa_supplicant -qq -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf & followed by a dhcpcd wlan0 ? [23:39] reti: are you just using this to connect to your own router? [23:40] powtrix, would you like my grep output? [23:40] anyone have openoffice in a .tgz format? [23:40] i see, mine has it on others like vim [23:40] there is a slackbuild on slackbuilds.org [23:40] reti: you can use my /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf file -> http://pastebin.com/m212fb317 (change essid to yours) and forget wicd [23:40] i know, but slackbuild isn't building [23:41] omnipotentduo: rworkman does on his site ... has a OOo pkg in tgz [23:41] so do I if you can't get his omnipotentduo [23:41] mingdao, my wpa_supp.conf file is exatcly like yours [23:41] dragonmst: is mplayer listed in /var/log/removed_packages ? [23:41] reti: so set your /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf like mine, with your values, and forget wicd [23:41] If you just need it for your own router. [23:41] reti, the wpa_supplicant command gets you connected to your router [23:41] hmm [23:42] the dhcpcd command draws an ip from your router [23:42] run them [23:42] i_is_cat: I think he's using static IP [23:42] sitwon, mplayer is there yes [23:42] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [23:42] dragonmst: alienBOB has those pkgs on his site if you need them [23:42] mingdao: yet again you have provided me with excellent resources [23:42] I hope so. [23:43] Good call, mingdao. affiliated/droog] has joined ##slackware [23:43] when i run that wpa_supp -qq etc cmd, it says: ""failed to initiale control interfate /var/run/wpa_supplicant you may have another wpa_supp process already running or the file was left by an unclean terminaton of wpa_supp in which case you will need to manually remove this file before starting wpa_supp again [23:43] omnipotentduo, its broffice pt_BR - http://powtrix.pastebin.com/m4c6ae7d7 [23:43] Err . http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [23:43] mingdao, alienBOB has mplayer with x264 support, or openoffice? [23:43] dragonmst: can you view the file and check if it contains the correct paths for the mplayer on your system? [23:43] reti, ok so it sounds like its running [23:43] and i have a static ip set in the wicd gui app [23:43] try: dhcpcd wlan0 [23:44] I just use his MPlayer, x264 [23:44] look in his restricted_packages [23:44] sitwon, thats interesting, it only includes the docs. So it only removed the docs [23:44] omnipotentduo: http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/ [23:45] thank you mingdao [23:45] I don't understand why they put Mplayer in Slackware 13 considering a lot of people will want to recompile it to support different optional codecs [23:45] sitwon, i was wondering the same thing [23:45] mingdao, i will use that if my version does not work [23:45] I think SBo was a better home for the Mplayer package, imho [23:45] i_is_cat after i run dhcpcd wlan0, it says: err, wlan0: timed out \n warn, wlan0: using IPV4LL address 169.254.169.242 [23:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] habaneros (n=habanero@71.250.102.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:46] dragonmst: get MPlayer from restricted, and the others from http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [23:46] sitwon: what prevents you from recompiling it yourself? [23:46] reti, is your router setup for dhcp or static ip only? [23:46] it's setup for both [23:46] thumbs: nothing, but then I also have to blacklist it in slackpkg [23:46] sitwon: sure, I guess. [23:47] and i try to run dhcpcd again, and it saws it's already running [23:47] dragonmst: you might want to look at alienBOB's SlackBuild to see what yours could be missing. [23:47] If you're using wpa_supplicant, did you run wpa_passphrase (with arguments) to get the ID string? [23:47] yeah [23:47] my slackbuild isnt the problem yet. it is the default installed mplayer that was the problem [23:48] oic dragonmst ... sorry for the static [23:48] the default mplayer wouldnt remove all the way [23:48] reti: whatever you used for the passphrase is what ou put in the passphrase part of the wicd GUI box [23:48] thank you for all your help [23:48] gm152 for wpa_passphrase, all I did was "wpa_passphrase [mykey] [23:48] ohhhhhh [23:48] what do you think is the best method for removing what is left? [23:49] the text files in /var/log/packges are generated by installpkg when you install or upgrade a package, and then copied to /var/log/removed_packages when you remove that package. There was either a problem with the orignal package or something screwy happened at install-time [23:49] (I know becaues I'm rewriting the pkgtools) [23:49] reti: I used passphrase 5 or so years ago when I did it ;) [23:49] And you pasted the output of wpa_passphrase into the psk= line in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? [23:49] yes, gm152 [23:50] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) joined ##slackware. [23:50] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:50] sitwon, ok. so what do you recommend i do? [23:50] dragonmst: that problem would have been solved by my modifications to pkgtool... ;-) [23:50] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [23:50] dragonmst: I recommend you re-install the mplayer packages and then remove them again [23:50] that sounds like a plan [23:51] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:51] worst case, you end up where you started [23:51] Hi, I added `Option "AutoAddDevices" "False"' to xorg.conf, but X still chrashes somewhere in libdbus (according to the backtrace)... [23:51] if that doesn't work explode the package to see which files belong to mplayer and remove them manually [23:51] alrighty, thanks. I will let you know how it goes [23:51] the log says something like "(EE) config/hal: couldn't initialize context: unkown error (null)" ... ? [23:51] Try running wpa_supplicant in the foreground to view output on the console. Don't background the task. [23:52] reti: After someone gets you setup, you might want to read http://wiki.alienbase.nl/doku.php?id=slackware:network#configuring_your_network_in_slackware to learn how Slackware's network setup works. [23:52] ok [23:52] will do [23:52] hey gm152 ... long time no see [23:52] but for now just do what gm152 is telling you [23:52] when i run that wpa_supp -qq etc cmd, it says: ""failed to initiale control interfate /var/run/wpa_supplicant you may have another wpa_supp process already running or the file was left by an unclean terminaton of wpa_supp in which case you will need to manually remove this file before starting wpa_supp again [23:52] mingdao: Yes, LTNS! How are you? [23:53] good ... updating a bunch of boxen to Slackware64 today [23:53] firedix (n=firedix@host157.200-117-186.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [23:53] any help ? [23:53] Got one who's DVD drive won't boot atm [23:53] Run ps ax and if that's true, kill the process. [23:54] I don't think I can make a CD to boot Slack64 [23:54] mingdeao and friends, etc: there is no 3.1.1 openoffice for 64bit yet [23:54] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] ok, now that i killed it, it says "l2_packet_receive - recvfrom: network is down! [23:56] TwinReverb: http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/x86_64/openoffice.org-3.1.1_en_US-x86_64-1_rlw.tgz [23:56] lol [23:56] i am loving rlworkman [23:56] mingdao, um, no, i said there is none for it yet, which is the truth [23:57] Robby must have an inside track with John McCreesh [23:57] there is http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/openoffice/stable/3.1.0/OOo_3.1.0_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz but no http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/openoffice/stable/3.1.1/OOo_3.1.1_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz [23:57] reti: Maybe it was running all along but difficult to tell as there was no output. [23:57] this is the same link from the slackbuilds.org project page that rworkman watches over [23:57] A wierd little thing, not that big of a deal, but by default, slackpkg for 64-bit uses a 32-bit mirror [23:57] so i'd like to know where his source is, but oh well [23:57] gm152, but pings werent working :\ [23:58] TwinReverb: http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxx86-64wjre&lang=en-US&version=3.1.1 [23:58] Try wpa_supplicant without & nor -B [23:58] TwinReverb: don't make me do your Googling ;) [23:58] whoa.. beer kickin' in [23:58] TwinReverb: how about here: http://download.openoffice.org/source/index.html [23:59] wow, that was hard... [23:59] he he [23:59] lmgtfy .... [23:59] dragonmst: by default slackpkg doesn't set any mirror... [23:59] well then, whatever, they need to make their storage consistent [23:59] yeah, "they" do [23:59] n00b [00:00] --- Sat Sep 5 2009