[00:00] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:00] mancha, video lines? [00:00] lol [00:00] mancha: /ignore righteous [00:00] I think he means these dumb lines of text... [00:01] anyone seen cfdisk report free space as 'unusable' ? [00:01] jeev, yeah [00:01] jeev: yes. [00:01] ananke, then perhaps its the wrong way to help him? :) [00:01] jeev: IIRC, that means you've already made 4 primary partitions and no extended partition, so there's no way to create another partition without deleting one... [00:01] nachox: now, would he be calling people in this channel idiots to piss them off or what? [00:01] ohhhhhhh yea [00:02] no, that was a genuine question. when you pretend that something inaccurate is accurate even in the face of being shown its inaccurate, it makes people wonder if you're an idiot. [00:02] Urch, libpcap is at 1.1.0, does that work with th lates perl mopdule? [00:02] mancha: dunno. About to try it though [00:03] nachox: so? [00:03] ananke, from the little i've seen in the backlog, if thats what hes done, he's been quite effective pissing you and a few others off. The rest just ignored him [00:03] jd (jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [00:04] nachox: i'm not pissed off at all. however, you brought up the subject of being pissed off, so i wonder where you're going with it [00:04] Urch, i would be surprised, 1.1.0 came out on 3/2010, would the perl module dev have time to turn his code into backwards-incompatibility hell in just a months time? [00:04] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:04] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [00:04] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [00:04] dunneaux [00:05] ananke, i'm trying to understand how someone asking a question the wrong way can get us to the point we're at right now. [00:05] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] hm, tcpdump-4.0.0 does not build against libpcap-1.1.0 (shouldn't be surprised I guess) [00:07] ah well i that's true then there are serious compat issues [00:07] cause those both come from the same d00d [00:07] nachox: simple trolling. there was never any interest in having that issue solved. [00:08] maybe the api changes too damn much from 10/08 to 3/10 to retain any kind of compat [00:08] LucMove (~Luc_On_Th@189.102.169.237) joined ##slackware. [00:08] yeah [00:09] hm, wonder why there's no libpcap.so in slackware? (only a static lib) [00:10] nisstyre65 (~nstyr@216.16.246.4) joined ##slackware. [00:10] nisstyre65 (nstyr@216.16.246.4) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:11] Hi. Does anyone have an idea about this ssh error message: Host key verification failed. I can log in from one machine, but not from the other. Why not? [00:11] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] host key verification has failed [00:11] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:11] mancha: OK, Net::Pcap 0.16 *does* build OK against libpcap-1.1.0 [00:11] which it doesn't against libpcap-1.0.0 [00:11] Urchlay:: in cpan? [00:12] i.e. the host key you have on file for that host doesn't jive sumo style wit h e host's provided key now [00:12] One machine is prompted for the SSH password, the other just gets the error message. [00:12] LucMove, check your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file in the machine it doesnt work, look for the ip of the destination machine and delete it [00:12] so eitehr you are getting mitm'd or else you did when you cached, or else the host (server) regenerated its keys [00:12] righteous: yes [00:13] Urchlay:: kk [00:13] LucMove, for example, if machines a and b try to connect to machine c and a works but b doesnt, then check the ~/.ssh/known_hosts in machine b [00:13] nachox: I've done that. The machine that doesn't work has just been formatted. It doesn't even have a known_hosts file. And its IP is not listed in the known_hosts of the destination machine. [00:13] Urch, ok so the dev did make 16 a 1.1.0 module [00:14] stop saying destination [00:14] the CLIENT machine needs to not have stale host keys of the SERVER machine [00:14] so the actual problem is that Slackware 13's libpcap isn't up to date (and the one in -current is the same as stable) [00:14] LucMove, no, no, the known_hosts file that has the problem is in the source machine. in any case, check what ssh -vv server [00:14] mancha, hehe :P [00:15] look in ~/.ssh/known_hosts or summitz [00:15] what is the source machine? the one that doesn't work? [00:15] if machines a and b try to connect to machine c and a works but b doesnt, then check the ~/.ssh/known_hosts in machine b [00:15] machine b doesn't have that file. ~/.ssh is empty [00:16] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] check ssh -vv c where c is the ssh server [00:17] Urchlay:: ok, so a temporary fix until the new version comes out i guess could be making a modern libpcap sbo (i was so sure the libpcap was too new, but i could have misread) until the change hits -current [00:17] ssh -o stricthostkeychecking=no user@destination-er-i-mean-server.com [00:17] OpenSSH_4.4p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8d 28 Sep 2006 [00:17] mancha, :) [00:18] righteous, or update libpcap yourself. [00:18] nachox :> [00:18] mancha:: the issue has been resolved on my end for hours, now. [00:18] righteous: yeah. If you grab PV's slackbuild script for tcpdump, it seems to be able to build the latest libpcap and tcpdump with only slight modifications (mostly because libpcap-1.1.0.tar.gz extracts to a dir called libpcap-1.1/ instead of having the .0 on the end...) [00:19] Urchlay:: haha well thats worth a nasty email to the libpcap devs lollll [00:19] if you do that, make sure you give it a distinctive "tag" so you'll know you did it... and blacklist it in slackpkg, if you use slackpkg [00:19] the -o option given by mancha makes a difference. ssh created a new known_hosts. But I still can't log in. [00:19] Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive). [00:20] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-15.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [00:20] LucMove, did you check with -vv ? [00:21] righteous: I really hate dealing with software that says it's "foobar version 1.0", but its source is in a file called "foobar10.zip" and it extracts to "foobar/" [00:21] sheesh, what a load of output [00:21] need 3 different variables in a slackbuild script to keep track of it, sometimes [00:21] pastegin it [00:21] pastegin and copytonic! [00:22] with a small onion [00:22] a cutonion I suppose [00:22] h0h0 [00:23] Srbo_ (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) joined ##slackware. [00:24] LucMove, also, does the server have any AllowUsers [00:24] or something alike? [00:24] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:25] SkyNet_ONE (~Ederson@189-19-112-156.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:25] nachox: yes [00:26] but I am logging in as the only allowed user anyway [00:26] root is disabled [00:26] that would be useful information to have too [00:26] sorry, I just assumed [00:27] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:27] I use the exact same command line to log in on two boxes. One goes through, the other doesn't. [00:29] http://pastebin.com/fqUXsAzR [00:29] vcampos (~vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) joined ##slackware. [00:31] SkyNet_ONE (~Ederson@189-19-112-156.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:32] umislack (~umislack@58.64.94.159) joined ##slackware. [00:32] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:33] LucMove, that ssh client is not slackware is it? [00:34] Machine A works = Ubuntu. Machine B doesn't = Slack 13. Machine C is server = Slack 11. [00:34] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:34] ok, the error you have to take care of is can't open /dev/tty: No such file or directory [00:34] SkyNet_ONE (~Ederson@189-19-112-156.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:34] is there a /dev/tty file? [00:35] no [00:36] SkyNet_ONE (~Ederson@189-19-112-156.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:36] umislack (~umislack@58.64.94.159) left irc: Client Quit [00:37] I suppose it's a special file. How do I create it? [00:37] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:37] It's a brand new Slackware 13 box. Isn't it supposed to come with its own /dev/tty bundled? [00:38] It was shrink-wrapped, couldn't have fallen off along the way... [00:39] can you connect to other ssh servers from that slackware? [00:40] I never tried. [00:40] I don't have any other. [00:40] I mean, I don't have any other remote server I can test. [00:41] whats the shell of your user? is it on /etc/shells? [00:41] yes, it's Bash [00:41] Action: Motoko-chan has an official Slack13 box too [00:41] 6 CD [00:44] oh, well, i dont know why it is not there. i know that that seems to be your problem [00:46] "mknod /dev/tty c 5 0" should create the file but its a hack and a bad one [00:46] do I have a choice? [00:46] hrm, i need to host files on a slack box that are to be opened and modified with a text editor in xp. im considering samba if no one else has a better idea of how to do it. [00:47] righteous: ssh and vim [00:47] OpenSSH_4.4p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8d 28 Sep 2006 [00:47] LucMove:: funny [00:47] that can't be slack 13 [00:47] no, that 11. [00:47] 13 is the client [00:47] righteous, let me guess, text editor of choice is MS Word? :) [00:47] anyone, do you guys have a /dev/tty file? [00:47] tank-man:: hahahahaahahaha [00:47] tank-man:: geany [00:47] Yes. [00:48] of course i have a tty device [00:48] nachox: how did you get those minor and major numbers? [00:48] LucMove, google :) [00:48] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:48] or he could have ls -l'd his own /dev/tty [00:48] also, manpages [00:49] hrm, so, another idea would be to host the files with anonymous ftp locally and then have an ftp folder i manage on the xp desktop....looking for most effortless way, long term. [00:49] mancha, thats the point, his slackware 13 lacks that file [00:49] /var/log/packages/devs-2.3.1-noarch-25:dev/tty [00:50] i mean YOU! [00:50] nachox: it works. I can log in now. [00:50] you didnt' need to el senor google it [00:50] yay [00:50] mancha: I don't think nachox runs slackware, these days. [00:50] mancha, oh, this laptop is on guarranty, i didnt uninstall the base os just yet [00:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [00:50] LucMove, i know, i am cool [00:50] LuxMove, install the devs package [00:51] btw, did you install ALL of slackware? [00:51] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:51] no [00:51] then listen to mancha :) [00:51] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:51] and it's bad [00:52] cause devs is in "a" you really shound't be cherry picking from "a" [00:52] Action: nachox nods [00:53] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [00:54] it's a VPS template. I didn't install it. [00:55] when did vps creating become a n00b hobby?!? [00:55] tell the template author they've failed [00:56] vps? [00:56] LucMove: who you use as yoru vps provider? [00:56] BP{k}, a little extra easter cheer today? :) [00:56] virtualized servers [00:57] They didn't even offer Slackware. I asked and they did it. This is the only problem I've had so far. [00:57] anyway, i need some sleep. good luck LucMove [00:57] g'nite nachox [00:57] hrm, i've got a via rhine-III that doesn't seem to be able to switch to promiscuous mode [00:57] ciao bacho [00:57] nacho* [00:58] bye. thanks [00:58] i oughta get a vps soon [00:59] i didn't really think to ask for slack :P [01:00] trhodes: I know linode does offer slack. [01:00] ok, i've just begun looking, thanks [01:00] maybe i don't need to look any more : [01:00] :) [01:01] http://download.openvz.org/template/precreated/contrib/ [01:02] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.63.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:03] Linode is good, but there are plenty of cheaper options around. [01:04] Z3d (~user@proxy.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Z3d [01:04] cheaper does not always mean better :) [01:05] Cheaper usually means overselling resources. [01:07] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.122) joined ##slackware. [01:08] A2 hosting, Good Deal Hosting, VPSlink, Ideastack, Fivebean, Webhostingbuzz. They all support Slackware. Maybe others if you ask. [01:09] i wonder how many of those buy their slackware... [01:09] so decent hosting begins at maybe $20 / month ? [01:09] (assuming the resources are appropriate) [01:09] begins at $10. Depends on how much resources you want. [01:10] my needs would be met by the low end [01:10] VPS prices have been dropping steadily. There are now dedicated servers for under $100. I have seen $50 and $60. [01:11] I expect to be moving to a dedicated in one year or two. [01:11] When they hit $30, I'll get one. :-) [01:11] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:12] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:12] so, if a vps is oversold, you can actually get cheated of resources ? how often does that actually happen ? [01:13] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [01:13] if i have virtualbox machines configured to be behind a nat (the host) should I make rules in iptables for prerouting? [01:13] I don't think that's ever happened to me. My site hums along fine. [01:13] depends on if they follow the airline mode of booking :) [01:13] trhodes: Depends on how much they oversell. [01:13] If it's Linode, it can't. [01:13] Azeotrope: yes. [01:14] but why use host->guest NAT when you require access from the outside? why not just use bridge interface and deal with firewalling in a normal way? [01:15] i didn't knew that's better [01:16] righteous_ (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] bridge just makes the guest OS look like its a dedicated machine on your network. [01:16] /topoic [01:16] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:51] after|math (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:52] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:54] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:54] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:54] nader (1000@84.241.18.162) joined ##slackware. [01:54] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) joined ##slackware. [01:57] are almost 64-bit packages compiled with TLS enabled (Thread Local Storage) for higher performance and to offer giant storages compared to 32-bit ones? so, it's more fluid. [02:03] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4219, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-26 04:04:08 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:07] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:25] nevermind [02:25] =^) [02:26] http://www.smashthestack.org/index.php [02:27] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:35] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: zZz [02:36] MICROSOF-BFD0B9 (~MICROSOF-@ip92-101-208-75.onego.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:36] +1 fast [02:37] MICROSOF-BFD0B9 (~MICROSOF-@ip92-101-208-75.onego.ru) left irc: Client Quit [02:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-133-18.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:38] hmmm,a fly-by-serial number?!? [02:39] Z3d (~user@proxy.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Z3d [02:39] lol [02:39] i wonder what that was about [02:40] trhodes, dunno...but it claims quickness..:D [02:40] lol [02:41] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [02:47] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-188.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:52] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[03:22] anyone here running slack on netbook? [03:22] if you send me a netbook I'll be happy to run slack on it :) [03:23] nice :) [03:23] i'm thinking of getting one lolz [03:23] i know alienbob has eee pc [03:24] but i'm thinking of getting gateway or acer [03:24] just because they're cheap and the specs are good.. [03:24] cmk_zzz (~cmk_zzz@122.58.182.213) joined ##slackware. [03:24] but im worried if the hardware is going to be supported [03:26] crashdata, do you have the full specifications of both of those models? [03:27] http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/gateway-gateway-10-1-intel-atom-n450-1-66ghz-netbook-lt2102h-red-lt2102h/10137393.aspx?path=66d40e0f751641d99e25071b9d26fff2en02 [03:27] thats the gateway [03:27] this is the acer [03:27] http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/acer-acer-aspire-10-1-netbook-featuring-intel-atom-processor-n450-ao532h-2727-blue-english-ao532h-2727-en/10141987.aspx?path=66b3921b722b6586628d6b867091b288en02 [03:30] MLanden what do think? [03:31] http://ln-s.net/ is what I think :P [03:33] crashdata, two good models to pick between..only way to best pick would be to go through the pros and cons of the various chips(ie video,memory,battery) as well as usage(heavy,light etc) [03:34] do know if all the hardware will be supported in linux? [03:34] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.128.167) joined ##slackware. [03:35] \o [03:35] the gateway looks good i think [03:35] with the seperate 64MB video memory [03:35] both has the same video...batter life same 3 cell [03:36] crashdata, are you familiar with the intel drivers in linux? [03:36] unfortunately no [03:36] Anybody who can tell me why 4gigabyte is the maximum memory supported and not 64gigabyte without compiling the kernel? [03:37] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [03:38] crashdata, not too bad with the older 1.6 xorg-server...plenty of forums to compare with the newer GMA chips with the xorg-server 1.7x [03:39] heya MLanden [03:39] heya,fire|bird [03:39] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-188.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:40] the 3150 seems to support openGL [03:41] Sorry to spring this on you. Can you give me a distro outside of slackware, which works (and I can't stress this enough), and runs KDE4? [03:42] opensuse [03:42] MLanden, does this mean it will work well with linux? [03:42] i hear opensuse does kde right [03:42] trhodes: yes, it does, openSUSE's kde is very nice. [03:43] crashdata, yes,it should [03:43] cheers, I'll give it a go. [03:43] MLanden, what else should i look for sound? [03:43] Srbo_ (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:45] cmk_zzz: fwiw, openSUSE 11.2 will get you KDE 4.3.5, there is another repo you can enable to get 4.4.2, however that is a Factory repo (basically their development repo for the next version of openSUSE) and it moves very quickly, a lot of updates. [03:45] crashdata, sound chip,webcam,touchpad,wifi(whether easy or several steps(ie does it play nice with wicd) [03:47] unfortunately the website doesnt give me the which brand of wifi it has [03:48] crashdata, hopefully,I'm not making your brain explode [03:48] fire|bird: 4.3.5 is OK. I just want a distro which works, where my wife can surf the internet and watch youtube, play amarok and manage photos, etc. [03:49] no, i understand exactly what ur saying...jsut wanted to know what is the frequent problem with netbook on linux [03:49] cmk_zzz, ubuntu [03:49] crashdata: don [03:50] crashdata: ?? if your definition of works is ubuntu, I don't know which dictionary you're looking in [03:50] crashdata, now in 2010,'bout the same as their larger brothers(laptops) [03:51] hmmm [03:52] cmk_zzz: ok, just thought I would mention that. :) [03:52] why doesn't adobe flash plugin allow me to go to settings to allow a flash website access to my camera unless huludesktop is running? [03:52] hmmm.. i wish those netbooks has cdrom so i can run a live cd on it before purchasing lolz [03:52] fire|bird: So, is 4.4.2 so much different than 4.3.5? [03:52] crashdata, can always put the live distro on SD or USB stick [03:52] cmk_zzz, ur looking for simplicity and nothing to configure..i'm sorry but that is ubuntu [03:53] ahh huh.... [03:53] crashdata, something good to know in case of kernel panic..:D [03:53] crashdata: no I am looking for something that works. I don't mind configuring it [03:54] cmk_zzz: Well, by appearance alone, no, there's more been changes that you don't see, but nothing that would make it worth upgrading to in your case, 4.3.5 will be just fine. [03:54] cmk_zzz, just load slack then... [03:54] cmk_zzz, Arch is good to i've heard..but never tried it actually but lacks stability compare to slack [03:55] 4.4.2 seem to run smoother and faster with my system [03:56] MLanden, thats it i'm bringing a usb drive tomorrow :) [03:56] crashdata: arch is OK, but if I go that way I go for slackware everytime (plus arch doesn't ship documentation, what is that???). But slackware is too hard for my wife to handle, I need something which is a little bit more user friendly without going ubuntu/fedora. [03:56] crashdata, good question to ask yourself would be which WM/DE would I like to try...with the specs does it fit my needs...though it may be limited here,can I get the most bang for the buck..:P [03:57] 4 sure those 2 netbooks offers the best bang for my buck... [03:57] wm/De? [03:57] KDE,XFCE etc.. [03:57] for specs and price those 2 netbooks for sure are great.. [03:58] i'm hping to run kde [03:58] if you go really slim, like with wmii, awesome or something you can have a very good smooth user experience with only 256M of RAM [03:58] Nick change: xchg_afk -> xchg [03:58] if it comes free loaded with win7 i'm pretty sure it can handle kde [04:00] cmk_zzz, y not ubuntu? its for ur wife anyways [04:00] Action: s0ttle wondered the same [04:00] crashdata: abusing your wife is not legal in the country I live [04:00] MLanden, thanks for helping me make up my mind :) [04:01] Action: alienBOB runs KDE4 on an asus eeepc 1000h and it runs well (including fancy desktop effects) [04:01] cmk_zzz, come on just because ubuntu is easy to use.....its still linux [04:01] crashdata, good luck [04:02] crashdata: no, it's hardly linux anymore. The experience is very windows like. I can't take that. [04:02] MLanden, thanks...i'm just gonna bring a bootable usb tomorrow with linux live [04:02] cmk_zzz, but ur looking for user friendlyness..... [04:03] crashdata: Why says I am looking for user friendlyness? I am looking for something that works without quirks [04:03] i've run mandrive when it was mandrake before [04:03] it was easy [04:03] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.128.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:04] cmk_zzz, good luck... i dont htink i have anymore options for u.. i suggest just try few distro untill u find the one ur looking for [04:04] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:04] crashdata: :) you've only suggested ubuntu [04:04] i've suggested arch, [04:04] ubuntu, [04:05] mandriva [04:05] arch ships without documentation. Not very unixlike [04:05] debian if you wanna [04:05] I am testing openSuse [04:05] alienBOB, which xorg-server are you using with that 1000h? [04:05] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [04:05] Thank god I am personally still on slackware [04:06] cmk_zzz, a friend of mine who is now one of the developer of Gentoo started on slackware... [04:06] but i've never tried Gentoo but if he likes it....that says alot.... [04:06] crashdata: good on him. [04:06] so try it... [04:07] I tried it before it started having problems, I've heard they are getting their act together again, plus their wiki is awesome, so perhaps I'll give it another go [04:07] version of xorg-server,I mean [04:13] btw, on a dell mini 9, kde 4.3 wasn't very funny: it was really slow and would sometimes pause for several seconds, dunno if it's not the computer but overall, it wasn't pleasurable [04:14] Camarade_Tux, which WM/DE did you settle for? [04:14] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:15] MLanden: put xfce because I was quite in a hurry (not my computer) but it'll probably run lxde soon [04:15] xfce is actually quite slow too (well, compared to what I'm used to) [04:16] and it has an annoying bug where the icon of the battery meter disappear for the tray... [04:17] Camarade_Tux, lxde's nice pick...easy to adapt [04:17] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [04:18] my main problem was really the tray icon: no way to have it stay, or I could do it for a few times but then it'd go away [04:18] my battery meter is binary [04:18] and a few other things: all-in-all, I wasn't happy with the overall "quality", it didn't feel reliable: it had weird stupid bugs [04:18] either the computer is on or it's not (crappy battery) [04:19] Camarade_Tux, with the updates to lxpanel..you might be truly pleased [04:20] MLanden: oh, I'm going to have a look at them, I'm not running lxde myself (only openbox and conky) [04:21] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [04:21] Camarade_Tux, lol..hear ya...only a few steps from runnin' lxde...but openbox is cool on its own as well [04:22] MLanden: http://omploader.org/vM3hvaw ;-) [04:23] Camarade_Tux, cool...nice tiling [04:24] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:24] rrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, where is lxde's changelog? >< [04:25] Camarade_Tux, i like the layout [04:26] lxde.git.sf.net ! at last =) [04:26] trhodes: thanks :-) [04:26] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:29] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:37] cmk_zzz (~cmk_zzz@122.58.182.213) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:47] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:49] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [04:54] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-39-182.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:54] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] yop all. [05:01] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:06] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:09] =) [05:12] skew (~skew@host200-95-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:20] Axius (~hi@92.84.17.54) joined ##slackware. [05:23] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:25] Axius (~hi@92.84.17.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:28] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:35] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [05:44] If I want to mount a remote partition I get [05:44] modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting nfsd (/lib/modules/2.6.33.1-smp/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko): Invalid module format [05:44] I'm running slackware-current, any solutions ??? [05:47] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:50] lem: how did you upgrade? slackware or slackware64? [05:50] what is nfsd (for the dist file system)? [05:50] slackware current using upgradepkg . [05:51] hrmm [05:51] did you upgrade the kernel (with upgradepkg) and not reboot? [05:51] lem: I mean: 32bit or 64bit? [05:51] I checked the modules files from the package against the file in /lib. [05:51] i.e. are you running one kernel and trying to insert a module from another? [05:52] 32bit and ofcourse I did a reboot .. [05:52] hmm, it has to be 32, yes [05:52] (hadn't seen the "-smp" in the name) [05:52] lem: run 'modprobe -v nfsd', and check dmesg [05:53] I'm running slackware on a quad core ... [05:53] Ok, will try ... [05:53] yeah, I said that because 64bit kernels don't have the '-smp' in their name ;-) [05:53] (there's no non-snmp 64bit kernel) [05:55] It has something to do with a duplicate symbol, i've got: [05:55] exportfs: exports duplicate symbol exportfs_decode_fh (owned by kernel) [05:56] you made an initrd? [05:56] I have it on both computers they are hardware the same... [05:56] it basically means nfsd is already built in the kernel [05:58] well, you should be able to use nfsd right now, no need to insert the module (not sure why it's included though) [05:59] Ok, thanks, than i have to check other things, checking *.new files first ... [05:59] something is very wrong with your kernel setup, sorry [06:00] -current has NFSD as a module, maybe you mixed up kernels [06:00] I do'nt know, just using the kernel within slackware-current ... [06:00] hmm, maybe not for nfsd [06:00] stunix (1000@85.19.141.194) left irc: Quit: When all are one and one is all, to be a rock and not to roll. [06:02] nfs module is loaded, don't see nfsd.. [06:02] well, as far as I can tell, it is indeed because nfsd is built both as builtin and as module [06:02] can you pastebin your /proc/config.gz? [06:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:07] wutz? [06:08] mancha: hmmm ? [06:08] also, I'm looking for the fastest filesystem at the cost of data integrity in the case of an unclean mount: ext2? [06:10] an entire config file on pastebin sounds like terrible headaches [06:10] maybe just get the uncommented bits with zgrep [06:11] zgrep CONFIG_NFSD /proc/config.gz [06:11] better? [06:11] Config is in http://www.pastebin.org/136564 [06:12] unfortunately, the file has been truncated [06:12] CONFIG_NFSD=m [06:12] CONFIG_NFSD_V3=y [06:12] # CONFIG_NFSD_V3_ACL is not set [06:12] Channel flood from lem -- kicking [06:12] CONFIG_NFSD_V4=y [06:12] lem kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [06:13] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [06:13] I've been kicked, perhaps toomany lines? [06:14] yes [06:14] 4 lines in a row [06:14] that was it then [06:15] It's the new kernel that comes with slackware current... [06:16] lem, another thing that may get you kicked out is logging into irc as root [06:16] which modules are currently loaded? [06:16] and as MLanden said [06:16] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [06:17] ok, thanks for the info. MLanden [06:17] lem, np [06:20] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:20] See http://www.pastebin.org/136587 for the modules I loaded, I have had problems with nvidia also it was conflicting with nouveau module ... [06:21] I've also noticed that nvidia binary has an issue with the latest slackware64 kernel 2.6.33 [06:21] in 64-current [06:22] alisonken1noc: which one? but I'm used to hear that, no matter the kernel >< [06:22] After i put nouveau in blacklist.conf nvidia works again... [06:22] nvidia 195.something.or.other [06:23] at least on the lenovo amd64 box that's about 6 years old that I have at home [06:23] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.63.137) joined ##slackware. [06:23] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.63.137) left irc: Client Quit [06:23] Im using a 8800GTS nvidia card.. [06:24] yeah, nouveau and nvidia are definitely incompatible [06:24] like nvidiafb and nvidia actually [06:25] nouveau was probed and automaticly loaded.. [06:25] yeah, this one is part of the kernel unlike nvidia.ko [06:26] jonathanr (~vcbnxn@88-107-175-204.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [06:27] there are still so many things to play with ;-) [06:28] newslacker (kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [06:28] Camarade_Tux, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-195.36.15-pkg2.run [06:28] that's the nvidia I'm having an issue with [06:28] nouveau was blacklisted as well [06:29] alisonken1noc: but which error? ;-) [06:31] couldn't get a gui with X [06:35] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:35] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [06:35] adamk_ (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:36] I have NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.36.15-pkg1.run running here... [06:36] Xorg.log.0? dmesg? [06:36] also couldn't get the 32-bit compat stuff mainly [06:37] the main issue seemed to be getting compat32 working with alien's scripts [06:38] alisonken1noc is nouveau module loaded? [06:39] lem - first thing was blacklisting nouveau [06:40] cacao74 (~cacao74@dynamic-adsl-78-13-135-232.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [06:40] however - going to have to wait probably till tues morning to do more testing [06:40] ok, that solves the problem here also ... [06:41] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.41.151) joined ##slackware. [06:41] now if skype would get off their duff and make a _real_ 64-bit binary rather than trying to fake a 32-bit binary as 64-bit [06:43] how do they fake it? [06:44] they make a 64bit rpm/deb that draws in 32bit compat libs as dependencies [06:44] wrap their 32-bit binary into a 64-bit package that actually expects compat32 libs installed [06:45] so there's nothing 64 bit about it excep the number 64 in the rpm/deb name? [06:45] yep [06:46] they'll get around to it, i bet 64 linux users aren't part of their hot demographic [06:47] except that there's hardly any 32-bit desktops/servers any more [06:47] the only 32-bit computers left are handhelds and specialties [06:48] well, first, that's incorrect. most 64bit processors are back-compatible with 32bit still [06:49] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:49] second, software is holding things back, not hardware. case in point: skype on linux in 32bit. if it existed for 64bit, i would use it (and don't say it does, i inspected that package they offer, it's half 32bit, it requires multilib ubuntu) [06:49] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.254.167.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-rncincnubqpsovrj) joined ##slackware. [06:49] janemba (~cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] hello [06:50] how can I know if qt4 is installed or not ? [06:50] trust me, as soon as a true 64bit non-multilib skype comes out for linux, i'm using slack64 [06:50] janemba, ls /var/log/packages/qt [06:50] janemba, ls /var/log/packages/qt* [06:50] (sorry, forgot the *) [06:50] on slackware 13.0: [06:50] /var/log/packages/qt-r1008952-i486-1 [06:50] \o/ [06:51] is multilib really such a pain to deal with? [06:51] Delahunt: thanks but...if it is installed from source ? [06:51] only when trying to work with nvidia binaries :) [06:51] to me, it is [06:52] janemba, ls -d /usr/lib/qt* [06:52] Delahunt: thx ;) [06:52] yw [06:52] Delahunt: I worked around the multilib issues for skype by putting all the 32bit dependencies in a pseudo-chroot [06:52] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:52] i don't have the time for that [06:53] i tried the multilib thing several times per instructions, it didn't work, no one knew why, so i just stopped trying [06:53] i wonder if those problems are stemming from slack being so new to 64 bit game or what. while i've never used slamd64 nor slack64, i've been using 64 bit linux with 32 bit packages on another distro for many years. maintenance of that is so transparent, i've never thought twice. yet it seems lots of folks either mention problems with multilib, or are affected by some problems [06:53] unfortunately my time is limited to sticking to slack 13 is a good thing because rworkman and alienBOB have repos for 13.0 [06:54] ananke, well i think with skype the problem is that it was built on v4l 32bit stuff in kernel and libs [06:54] much less it needs v4l 1.0, not the newest stuff [06:54] ananke: it's mainly causing issues if you compile software from source, afaict [06:54] try compiling v4l in kernel with the old v4l disabled, skype won't work with your webcam [06:55] is there a solution for my problem? yes, if i had the time to work on it [06:55] is it slackware's fault? no [06:55] just the name of the game [06:55] case in point, bought a canon pixma tonight, works great in linux for printing, but scanning is a no-go [06:56] so i may end up (sadly) going to windows to scan (but i doubt it) [06:56] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:56] well, in that case it's an issue of linux versus windows drivers [06:56] well more like hardware made for windows without regard to linux [06:57] still, my hat's off to the CUPS people, the printer prints perfectly [06:57] $30 for a printer that prints and copies (on its own) and can scan in windows isn't too bad at all to be quite honest [06:57] either way, it's not the same as 32 bit linux software on 64 bit system [06:58] i can go buy the $100 brand new HP all-in-one but i would be in the same ballpark: it would not scan [06:58] at least not in linux [06:58] well yeah sorry the common ground in bridging these two stories was that sometimes stuff just don't work so you make do [06:59] in the end using linux and used hardware is cheaper and better, at least to me [07:00] ohh yeah. that's why i use windows at home: the stuff that i need works on windows without any issues :) [07:01] i have windows [07:01] i ha[tv]e windows 8-) [07:03] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) joined ##slackware. [07:03] it's funny. i have windows on my workstation, linux on my laptop and macosx on my htpc. each gives me exactly what i need, with the least effort [07:04] so far skype is the only issue I have [07:04] and as a workaround, I still have my 32-bit slackware on a laptop [07:04] i have a netbook with slack32 and skype, maybe i should stick 64bit slack on my core2duo [07:04] then again, maybe not [07:05] to the perfectionist, there is no perfect solution 8-S [07:08] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:11] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [07:11] hi all [07:11] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:12] hi [07:13] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-111.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:13] i have an external drive, i've mirrored my slackware installation on it, now i want to make it bootable (partition itself is marked as bootable), i mount external drive and do chroot, then i edit lilo.conf and do lilo [07:13] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:14] when current slackware installation runs, disk on which it installed is /dev/sda [07:14] and external disk is /dev/sdb [07:15] now, i want to write partition table to sdb and not to corrupt partiotion table on sda [07:16] what should stay in lilo.conf which is on external hdd? /dev/sdb or /dev/sda? [07:16] when i boot from external drive, do drive names change? [07:18] vdv: linux is not windows - drive designators do not change just because you booted from a different partition [07:19] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.254.167.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Quit: t0f [07:19] ok, then my internal drive is sda and external is sdb [07:19] technically they don't [07:19] they should be yes - the only possibility would be if your external is usb and the usb subsystem kicks in before the pci subsystem [07:19] but they could depending on the sequence in which they are detected [07:19] (in terms of how /dev sometimes is populated) [07:20] external drive is usb [07:20] however, UUID does not change [07:20] if you have one internal and one external, i would think that with slack 13 (2.6.29.6 kernel) and if the internal is IDE (not SATA) then there should not be any conflict between the two [07:21] internal is sata [07:21] i am only thinking out loud, i have no clue [07:21] i want to copy my current installation on external usb and make that drive then autonomous, i.e. i could boot from it without internal drive [07:22] without internal drive participation [07:22] without internal drive boot sector and lilo installed on it [07:23] so my steps are, copy installation to external drive, boot from internal, mount external, do chroot to external, edit lilo.conf, put there /dev/sdb, and do lilo [07:24] but something here is wrong [07:24] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ydomvnadibhmxzzo) joined ##slackware. [07:24] because i cannot boot from external then [07:24] does lilo.conf point root=/dev/sdb or whatever? [07:24] does the BIOS try external USB devices before it tries the internal SATA? [07:24] i edit it so that it will point to /dev/sdb [07:25] yes, bios will choose external first [07:25] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [07:25] Action: Delahunt has no clue, sorry [07:26] how can i put lilo into external drive boot sector? [07:26] same way it's put on internal drive boot sector [07:26] however - lilo might not be the loader you want for an external drive [07:27] i point boot option in lilo.conf to /dev/sdb [07:27] lilo -b /dev/sdb ? [07:27] that would be the way to TELL lilo where to put itself [07:27] (in case it's assuming that it puts itself on /dev/sda) [07:28] ahh [07:28] did you try lilo -v ? [07:28] no [07:30] try that first, see where it's reading, mine says "reading sda ..." etc [07:30] -v means "verbose" or "talk a lot more" [07:30] it sayd reading sdb [07:31] i'll try to reboot [07:31] hmm [07:31] maybe it will work now [07:31] did anything change? [07:31] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:31] i.e. from the last time you ran lilo did you change lilo.conf ? [07:31] no [07:32] i'll restart and see what happens [07:32] bbl [07:32] um [07:32] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:32] may...be you shouldn't? [07:32] >.< [07:33] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [07:35] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:38] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:38] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [07:39] ) [07:39] lilo does everything right [07:39] i forgot that i use initrd [07:40] if i copy initrd from my current installation to external [07:41] and boot then from external [07:42] even if in lilo.conf root points to external /dev/sdb1 [07:42] initrd loads kernel from /dev/sda1 [07:43] vdv: you can't just copy the initrd [07:43] should i chroot and rebuild it again? [07:43] yes, It is machine specific. [07:43] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:44] can i rebuild in chroot environment? [07:44] yeah that should work. [07:45] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:45] /usr/share/mkinitrd/generate_mkinitrd_command.sh may help you get the right command. [07:47] ok, thanks [07:48] stupid question: if i change /etc/hosts.* is it necessary to tell anything in /etc/rc.d/* to reload to make the changes take effect? [07:49] no [07:49] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:49] vdv if this is a usb drive you will also need to use -w 10 in the mkinitrd command. [07:50] that does the samething as rootdelay=10 but rootdely does not work with an initrd. [07:51] Well kids I am out, time to make the dounuts. [07:58] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Nicce (0@ip-1-193-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [08:01] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:01] Nicce kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [08:03] Nicce (1000@ip-1-193-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Read error: No route to host [08:04] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [08:04] now boot starts from external [08:04] after i rebuild initrd [08:05] but there's another problem [08:05] there's no /dev/sdb1 device node during boot [08:05] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:05] Nicce (1000@ip-1-193-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:05] Greetings [08:06] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [08:07] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:15] alienBOB, ping [08:18] hmmm, people connecting as root aren't banned but those connecting as 0 are [08:18] XGizzmo, i've rebuilt initrd, but now there's another problem, initrd tries to mount partition sdb1, but device node absent [08:19] XGizzmo, there're partitions from internal drive sda1, sda2, but external's one absent, /dev/sdb1 [08:20] why those nodes doesn't created? [08:21] in order to install virtualbox do i need to install it from slackbuilds or i could just go to their web and download it from there ? [08:21] which is better [08:23] why not slackbuilds iAVOR ? [08:23] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [08:23] cuz there are some suplementary kernel drivers [08:24] and the last time i tried installing a new kernel [08:24] i kind of reformatted :) [08:24] there are slackbuilds for it too [08:25] you need virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-kernel [08:25] if i compile them from slackbuilds im concerned [08:25] that something will go wrong [08:25] like the last time :) [08:25] 1. virtualbox-kernel-mksrctarball.sh 2. virtualbox-kernel.SlackBuild [08:26] no errors from script [08:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] ok ill try slackbuilds then [08:27] but there are 4 builds and im not sure from where to start is there any order [08:27] ... [08:27] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:27] 1.ose 2.kernel [08:28] tnx [08:28] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:28] This will not build on a stock x86_64 system. [08:28] o.O [08:28] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-108-485.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:29] install the multilib [08:29] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:29] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:29] virtualbox works great in Slackware64 [08:29] i think i installed it from alienBOB repository [08:30] no need for multilib [08:32] do i need Qt4 gui ? [08:32] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:32] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) joined ##slackware. [08:32] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) left irc: Changing host [08:32] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:32] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:34] cacao74 (cacao74@dynamic-adsl-78-13-135-232.clienti.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [08:38] Nick change: surround1r -> surrounder [08:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:39] after i add myself to vboxusers group do i restart X [08:39] hi, i have two version of glib in system [08:39] or the whole system [08:40] pkg-config --modversion glib shows glib 1.2.8 [08:40] and --modversion glib-2.0 shows glib 2.2.* [08:41] while compiling gtk-2.18 i see 'undefined reference' caused by old glib [08:41] it looks like compiler use older glib, instead of glib-2.0 [08:41] how to avoid this? [08:41] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [08:41] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-108-485.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:43] xmoto :) [08:44] I am running slackware64 multilib. I use slackpkg up upgrade 64bit packages like normal. Is there a command/script that can help me automate the upgrade of compat32 packages? Typically, after I upgrade a 64bit library, there is a compat32 version I have to manually try to upgrade so it matches. [08:46] I have to download the slackware32 version and run convertpkg-compat32 on it then upgradepkg [08:47] It would be nice of slackpkg would recognize that a package has a compat32 counterpart and automatically know to download the corresponding slackware-.../... package and run convertpkg-compat32 and upgradepkg on it [08:48] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:48] you could code it [08:48] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:49] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:49] yeah, I could if I tried but my skills at scripting are not real good... would take me some time.. while others could code it easy [08:49] I'd have to hack slackpkg [08:50] then I'd have a nonstandard version [08:50] a kind of slackpkg-compat32 i guess [08:50] unless you send your patches as a diff to the maintainer [08:50] see if that would help getting it mainstream [08:53] you shouldn't think it will be easy for others: maybe they don't even use multilib [08:53] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@89.7.137.164) joined ##slackware. [08:53] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@89.7.137.164) left irc: Changing host [08:53] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [08:53] slackpkg doesnt want to deal with stuff not in Slackware [08:53] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:53] and multilib sucks and its a huge step back btw :) [08:53] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) joined ##slackware. [08:54] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:54] its a paradigm [08:55] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:57] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:00] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:02] c'mon nothing is wrong with 32bit compatibility... i need it for only a few things... wine and skype [09:04] and a few old games [09:04] IceW (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:04] multilib works fine, it doesn't damage anything [09:05] i had a hell of a time with my microphone in skype... did lots of crap with modules etc... and then it turned to to just be a mixer setting for "digital (capture)" that needed to be set at middle position for 0 gain [09:06] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) joined ##slackware. [09:06] java sound isn't playing well with others [09:07] ‚ƒ„†\o/†„ƒ‚ [09:08] oh no, powtrix, your text looks like numbers inside tubes or something [09:08] does virtualbox needs to be run as root ? [09:08] no [09:09] foobarz, utf [09:09] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] i've had lots of trouble with character sets... files with garbled chars... I think my setup is correct now tho [09:10] more like filenames with garbled chars [09:12] VirtualBox driver is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv [09:13] the message i got [09:13] when i try to start virtual machine [09:13] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] did you create vboxusers group? [09:14] yeah [09:14] i added myself [09:14] too [09:15] uid=1000(iavor) gid=100(users) groups=11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),83(plugdev),86(netdev),93(scanner),100(users),215(vboxusers) [09:15] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:18] ls -ld /usr/lib64/virtualbox [09:18] drwxr-x--- 4 root vboxusers 4096 2010-04-05 14:44 /usr/lib64/virtualbox/ [09:19] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:19] /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv restart [09:20] as root [09:20] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B54F6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] root@slackware:/home/iavor# /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv restart [09:20] bash: /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv: Permission denied [09:20] shocker :) [09:21] sh /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv restart [09:21] or chmod +x rc.vboxdrv [09:21] that worked :) [09:21] add +x there [09:21] ok [09:22] done [09:22] ill try now [09:22] :) [09:22] works :) [09:22] thanks powtrix [09:23] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/system/virtualbox-ose/README.SLACKWARE [09:24] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [09:26] what do you run in virtualbox? [09:26] im trying to run backtrack cuz my linux partition is small and i cant run win 7 [09:28] does your hdd is < 10gb? [09:28] 30 for slackware [09:29] and i have 20 left free but the recommended for win7 is 20 when i saw :) [09:31] i might want to run win7 in virtualization later, maybe install a 2nd video card and use VT-d to assign video card to win7 dedicated and a dedicated lan port, then use it for games.. not sure how well it would work .. haven't tried virtualization yet [09:31] the bad thing is that video memory for virtualbox is 128mb maxx [09:31] max* [09:33] foobarz, the guest video driver will not be from real video card [09:33] softmode [09:34] powtrix: I think there is a way to have it use a real video driver and a 2nd video card... it is a special setup with VT-d, not the regular VT-x stuff [09:34] you could still play windows games like chess minesweeper :P [09:35] Action: powtrix plays sdlmame/snes9x-gtk [09:35] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:36] Acidcore (~IFo@89.203.192.156) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Acidcore (~IFo@89.203.192.156) left irc: Client Quit [09:36] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad2770.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Acidcore (~IFo@89.203.192.156) joined ##slackware. [09:36] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:38] one question... since its my first use of vbox [09:38] after i install the system [09:38] i could just remove it later [09:38] right ? [09:40] yes, using removepkg virtualbox-{ose,kernel} [09:40] no i ment the system i installed not the whole vbox :) [09:40] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-40.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:41] i have a win xp laying somewhere ill install it to see how it goes [09:41] you could remove the machine and delete the virtual hdd [09:41] :) [09:42] yeah, removing stuff works well on linux [09:42] it is not like a trojan that keeps returning [09:42] :D [09:42] madbear_ (~dude@c83-253-60-113.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:44] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:45] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:50] if i use gparted livecd to extend my linux partition from 30 to 50 or more is this possible [09:50] cuz i was able to do this for C: in windows with livecd [09:50] not so sure for linux tho [09:50] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad2770.async.vt.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:51] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:52] hughszg (~hugh@222.65.121.143) joined ##slackware. [09:57] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] iAVOR: you can do it if a) you have the free spaceon the drive to increase the partition size, and b) if the fiilesystem you're using on this partition supports resizing (i.e. xfs, reiser4) [09:57] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [09:58] i have plenty of free space [09:58] the caveat is that with xfs and reiser4, I think you can only make a partition larger... you can't shrink it [09:58] my filesystem [09:58] is ext4 [09:58] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:59] iAVOR: I suggest you search then to see if ext4 supports resizing [09:59] before you do anything [09:59] ill check out [09:59] i use LVM to create a LVM logical volume LV, then extended the LV... then extending a ext2/3/4 partition that is on that LV works easily... i tested that [10:00] foobarz: u use gparted, partedmagic [10:00] ? [10:00] for a virtual HDD, I think you can append to the HDD file using dd... then you can extend the partition inside it [10:01] oh [10:01] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [10:01] I never like to mess with lvm [10:02] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [10:02] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:02] Why not [10:02] It helps a lot [10:02] I even use LVM on single disk installs [10:02] lvm provides great flexibility. i can't imagine dealing with storage these days without lvm [10:02] I don't usualy put / in lvm though [10:02] especially on single disk installs. you get to create/destroy as many filesystems as you need/want, grow them as needed/etc [10:03] I usually have a 200 meg / partition or less. [10:03] that's fixed [10:03] i tend to use 100MB /boot, rest in lvm [10:03] i dont actually use lvm right now... but might use it later if i add more data HDDs, right now I only have my main boot disk drive [10:03] I use between 100 and 150 for boot [10:04] But yeah, I can see how you dont want to run a root lvm [10:04] my boot is large... 500MB i think [10:04] I donno, the systems that I put together rarely get resized. [10:04] so that sort of removes the need for lvm [10:05] plus the important systems all use hardware raid controllers [10:05] the 'rarely' is sufficiently often to warrant use of lvm [10:05] I don't why would you want a 500 mb boot [10:05] using hardware raid has little to do with lvm [10:05] ok s/rarely/never [10:05] my current boot is only 32 megs in size [10:05] and its been around [10:05] ive found several sites that confirm ext4 supports resizing online ... [10:06] Yes... [10:06] iAVOR: yep. [10:06] I havent tested it yet. [10:06] does that mean i could resize it through gpared livecd [10:06] :) [10:06] gparted* [10:06] ananke: with the raid controllers I have, I can resize the array (areca 12xx series, for example), and since I'm using filesystems that already allow resizing, it's not been a worry to me [10:06] iAVOR: no, it means it can be be resized while it's mounted [10:06] i thought about using LVM for my root /... but instead just did a simple standard install to a integrated raid1 boot drive 1TB, with 500MB /boot, 16GB swap, and the rest root / [10:06] I tell you one thing, decreasing the size in JFS is a pain in the but. [10:06] I did it with /var before [10:06] ananke: that sounds difficult [10:07] *online* resizing is a good thing [10:07] mishehu: you're still bound by the ancient idea of disk partitions. so you have to deal with those. not to mention, your raid controllers would have to support logical disks if you want the functionality of lvm [10:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:08] iAVOR: it's not. here's how you can grow a filesystem by 100GB: lvextend -L+100G /dev/yourvg/yourlv && resize2fs /dev/yourvg/yourlv [10:09] ananke: partitions might be ancient, but they work well for me. I have 7 partitions on my workstation here. 2 are for windows pista, 1 is extended, and the rest are all used in linux. if perhaps you could provide me with a use-case scenario as to how lvm would benefit me in this situation, I might see what the advantage is. I've just got a system worked out that I never felt the need to change it. [10:09] (I'm not saying LVM is either good or bad, btw.) [10:09] most raid controllers support a form of logical group nowadays [10:09] my old servers do [10:10] ananke: thanks man but i wont try this :) [10:10] Fatalnix: yes, the arecas do also [10:10] ill just wait till something goes totally wrong and i need to reformat and ill set my partition there :) [10:10] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:10] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:10] mishehu: any change to that setup requires dealing with moving/resizing/deleting partitions. sometimes that's virtually impossible without evacuating all data from your disk [10:11] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn-128.95-102-94.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Fatalnix: yeah, it is big... big enough for like a small linux install even... i thought it should be large incase like, a large number of kernel modules or something needed to be on it.. not sure what all can go on a boot partition... sometimes a big initrd image? [10:11] ananke: how does LVM get around that? does it use the whole disc and create it's own "pseudo (?)" partitioning scheme? [10:11] Fatalnix: indeed, just dealing with those logical units is still a pain. nowhere as transparent as lvm [10:11] skew (~skew@host200-95-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: riavvio! [10:11] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:12] mishehu: it's an abstraction layer between physical device/devices and filesystem/filesystems [10:12] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:12] mishehu: it maps logical extents onto physical extents. so you can remove your 'partition' from a middle of the disk and add the space onto some other random 'partition' [partition == logical volume in this analogy] [10:12] FriedrichMan (~federico@190.105.28.120) joined ##slackware. [10:13] hello everyone [10:13] ananke: and this works with dual-boot systems? [10:13] biggest issue with partitions is the fact that you are stuck with what you chose at the beginning, with very little wiggle room. [10:13] mishehu: nope, it's linux only. [10:14] ananke: that's probably why I never looked into it... while my servers are all single-boot, my workstation are dual... [10:14] hey there [10:15] when I use cryptsetup to create a device, the device is not showing up in /dev/mapper, yet cryptsetup status mydevice gives a normal status report that says /dev/mapper/mydevice is good... how do I make the dev actually show up? [10:15] mishehu: that still means you can have as many filesystems as you want under linux, create/destroy/resize them as needed, all without having to deal with risky off-line partition resizing procedures [10:15] foobarz: did you use cryptsetup openLuks ? [10:15] maybe a stupid question... but what's a better distro to begin my real learning of linux? Slackware or some other distro? [10:15] ron1n (~ron1n@70.44.172.13.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] or luksOpen, whichever that command is [10:16] ananke: so basically you can create one partition for all of linux, and run lvm on that partition, so that you can have dual boot without any issues? [10:16] FriedrichMan: slackware is fine for that task [10:16] ananke: not, because the device is not encrypted with luks, it is old style plain [10:16] mishehu: actually, you'd need two partitions for linux: one for booting, other for lvm. currently linux bootloaders do not support booting directly into lvm [10:16] ananke: cool, I'll have to do it all "by hand" right? [10:16] hey guys, I just got an email from the security mailing list. Apparently openssl, firefox, and seamonkey need to be patched again. Is this true? Or is it a duplicate alert? [10:16] FriedrichMan: to a certain extent [10:17] ananke: is it similar to gentoo? [10:17] FriedrichMan: not at all. [10:17] ron1n, ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/ChangeLog.txt [10:18] thrice`, thanks, I'll take a look [10:19] my boot partition is not lvm, but can it be nondestructively converted into LVM? [10:19] i mean, my root / [10:19] is it gonna be better for my learning process? I mean, slackware over gentoo? [10:19] Wow. So there has been a few firefox/seamonkey patches in the past few days. Alrighty [10:20] in the slack-desc .... does all the description + name program must be less than the lenght of handy-ruler ? .... or just the description ? [10:20] foobarz: no [10:20] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] FriedrichMan: gentoo is harder to get going, but afterwards it's easier to use. slackware is the opposite: it's easier to install, and harder to maintain [10:21] ananke: ah. so maybe I'll play around with LVM in the future. (unfortunately I've got a big list of things that I'd like to test and play around with, but so little time) [10:21] ananke: do you have any ideas for me about my cryptsetup problem with the /dev/mapper/mydevice not showing up? [10:22] foobarz: sorry, i only use luks [10:22] Does anyone know if anybody is continuing the kernel mode bootsplash project? [10:22] mishehu: do it. it's an excellent thing to know, especially if you're working in the IT field [i assume so, since you mentioned servers] [10:23] Doing it in userland just doesn't make sense to me. [10:23] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:23] userland is just easier [10:24] ron1n, is there a need, with stuff like plymouth? [10:24] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [10:24] ananke: then I guess slackware should be my first choise since it will help me when I have troubles with other distros in the future... [10:24] not to mention that most distros use trimmed down kernels anyway, and most time spent on loading drivers is actually done in initrd [10:24] FriedrichMan: certainly. you'll definitely learn [10:24] ananke: yeah, I work in IT. used to do a lot of small biz/org LAN support. nowadays I'm doing more VoIP-related work. [10:25] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:25] ananke: thanks. So I guess for the same reason it doesn't have much system requirements,.. right? [10:25] thrice`, never heard of plymouth. But I know usplash and splashy can add a whole 30 seconds to boot time and thats just unacceptable. [10:26] is it in the upstream kernel? [10:26] ananke: I shouldn't have problems installing it on an Asus eee? [10:26] the kernel-mode settting is, which it uses [10:27] FriedrichMan: can't answer that, i've never used slackware on that hardware [10:27] ananke: oh... ok, I will try to find that info out of some forums or something like that [10:27] thanks, you've been helpful [10:27] FriedrichMan: Slackware works fine on eee's [10:28] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:28] FriedrichMan: good luck. and best thing is to simply try installing slack [10:28] sahk0: thanks, I'll try it [10:28] thrice`, I'll take a look around make menuconfig [10:30] FriedrichMan: how do you intend to install though? do you have an external optical drive? [10:31] well, I haven't read the documentation yet... I found this though: http://wooush.com/urandom/installing_slackware_linux_on_asus_eee_netbooks/ [10:31] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B54F6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:31] sahk0: up to that point it's not that different from ubuntu netbook remix [10:31] then I'll have the text install to do... that should be the harder part I guess [10:31] FriedrichMan: i suggest you go through alienBOB's wiki. he has some articles that might interest you [10:32] and then the config, that should be the headache part of the process [10:32] FriedrichMan, I run Slackware 13 on both my EEE PC 901's. It's no headache, it's a pleasure =P [10:32] errm not wiki, i meant blog [10:33] esp. the usb installers articles [10:33] sahk0: alien.slackbook.org? [10:33] ron1n: haha, I hope it goes the same way for me too [10:34] I just wrote usbboot.img (available from any mirror) to a thumb drive and did a network install over ethernet [10:34] FriedrichMan: alien.slackbook.org/blog [10:34] theres many ways to install, indeed [10:35] sahk0, I find alien's method of putting the packages on the same thumb drive a hassle. Since I usually just use a 2GB thumb drive [10:35] ok, thank you all,... I guess I should go for thisone instead of gentoo then... thank you all [10:35] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:36] FriedrichMan, yeah, gentoo would take ages to compile on the atom. Even with ht. [10:36] FriedrichMan: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/welcome-windows-user/ and/or http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-slackware-using-usb-thumb-drive/ [10:36] ron1n: yeah me too, too accustomed to rsync [10:36] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:37] thank you guys... I feel like I owe you a fruit basket or something like that [10:37] FriedrichMan, anytime [10:37] send it to Pat when you start using Slackware instead :) [10:40] thanks again... I'll better get to the reading bit already! I think I am gonna enjoy this distro [10:40] bye for now! [10:41] so I'm recompiling the slackware kernel using Zordrak's guide. Should I start with the kernel in /patches/? or the sources that shipped with 13.0? [10:41] FriedrichMan (~federico@190.105.28.120) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [10:42] Last time I tried to install the binary from patches, lilo refused to boot and it forced me to reinstall -_-. I'd like to avoid that. [10:42] did you run lilo afterwards? [10:43] it didnt force you to reinstall [10:43] you just didnt know another way [10:44] straterra, It was on a tablet pc with no other bootable means besides the hard disk. I honestly had no other option. [10:44] sahk0, isn't it part of the installpkg configuration? [10:44] yes you did..howd you get the installation media to boot? [10:44] no... [10:45] sahk0, alrighty, thanks explains it then. [10:45] straterra, I wrote usbboot.img to a partition on the hard disk using an ide-usb adapter. [10:46] then installed from usb dvd-rom drive (over usb 1.1 -_-) [10:47] long story short, I didn't have another option. Yeah, I should have backed stuff up before patching. [10:48] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.46.97) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:48] you DID have another option [10:48] mount the partition from a live CD, chroot to it and run lilo [10:48] thrice`, I tried that on my desktop machine. The problem is, that has a sata controller [10:49] so? [10:49] kept telling me hda didn't exist (it saw the usb device has sda) [10:49] then your lilo.conf was incorrect [10:49] if I set my root device to sda, it wouldn't boot on the ide only tablet. [10:49] since it has no sda [10:49] mad_baz_ (~nutter@212.183.140.49) joined ##slackware. [10:50] newer kernels probably came up as sda regardless. did you try updating to -current? [10:51] no, I didn't try updating to -current. I don't think that really was an option since I need this system as secure as possible. [10:51] I meant, was updating to -current the cause of your problem [10:52] thrice`, oh, no. Updating to the kernel in /patches/ was. [10:52] the only problem with blindly reinstalling is that you did not know what caused your problem (so it will probably happen again), and that you didn't learn how to fix it. most everything is fixable with linux [10:52] Apparently I missed the part where I was supposed to run lilo before reboot. [10:52] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:53] I thought the upgradepkg script would take care of that. Clearly I have been using Ubuntu for too long. [10:54] upgradepkg upgrades packages, not re-installs boot loaders :> [10:55] I know. I've been using ubuntu for the past 6 months, where package managers do _everything_ [10:56] I've gotten to comfortable with computing while on autopilot. [10:56] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:57] autopilots is awesome, but only when the operator sets the course :) [10:57] understandable :> [10:57] s/is/are [10:57] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [10:57] hmm isohybrid doesnt work on my isos [10:58] it says unexpected boot catalog parameters [10:58] hitest (~George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] So back to my question before, things got a little convoluted. I should upgrade my kernel source and then compile my new kernel, correct? [10:59] and not worry about upgrading hugesmp since that will only be in case I screw up, right? [10:59] why compile your own? [11:00] thrice`, hugesmp is huge and I don't require smp =P. And I want to move to generic, but it's still to bulky and I'd rather not have an initrd. [11:00] I always roll my own kernels [11:00] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:01] this tablet is really dated. I'm talking 500mhz 256MB ram. [11:01] I need to squeeze as much as I can out of it. Is that the right course to take? [11:02] pim_ (pim12@stud171240.mobiel.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:02] I guess it depends on what you are squeezing [11:02] hello there's a mistake in the slackware system requirements [11:03] it says it will run on a 486, but it won't with the standard kernel [11:04] you need at least a pentium II since only since then has the cmov instruction been available [11:05] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ydomvnadibhmxzzo) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:07] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:07] can one user be logged in from two different locations using SSH? [11:08] example, right now I'm logged in as user rsyncing these new patches, can I ssh as the same user from my android handset and do other tasks? [11:08] Certainly. [11:08] adamk, they just execute different shells, correct? [11:09] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [11:09] They run a different instance of the same shell. [11:09] If I login from another machine, I still launch bash as my cell. It's just a different process. [11:09] I see. zthanks [11:10] adamk: `cell' ? [11:10] Heh.. Shell :-) [11:12] hodges (~h0dg3s@unaffiliated/hodges) joined ##slackware. [11:12] isohybrid worked. now lets see if the iso can be dd'ed in usb and boot & install from it [11:12] jfsantos (~96a23e3a@gateway/web/freenode/x-bfxbczldnqnzkymj) joined ##slackware. [11:13] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wnevvbydbxdfvntb) joined ##slackware. [11:13] stunix (1000@85.19.141.194) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> wario [11:13] Nicce (0@ip-181-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:13] Nicce kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [11:13] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:15] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:15] hmm [11:16] hughszg (hugh@222.65.121.143) left ##slackware. [11:18] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:18] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] winger (~ev@96.56.22.60) joined ##slackware. [11:20] i have a Windows question if anyone is bored.. ##windows seems to be semi-dead. It involves virtual desktops. [11:21] here goes [11:21] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:24] winger: how is a windows question relevant in here? [11:24] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:25] fuckin brilliant. isohybrid works. its very convinient having a usb installer available upon request, with the packages you want \o/ [11:26] I would google isohybrid right now, but I am not in X. [11:26] when did 'google' become a verb, anyway? [11:27] it works only in -current. basically if you create an iso with a script like those in isolinux/README.TXT you can isohybrid isoname.iso and it will boot from any device [11:28] interesting. [11:28] isohybrid is a neat perl script in /usr/bin . its from syslinux [11:28] I was trying to get a ubuntu livecd to work off of USB [11:28] that didn't turn out so well. [11:29] One can dd fedora isos to disk and it will work, but not ubuntu isos [11:29] NaCl, for ubuntu it's recommended you use unetbootin [11:30] i sent 3 emails in Pat (in a period of ~6 months) about upgrading syslinux incl. other stuff but always mentioning this:). hope the 13.1 isos are hybrid [11:30] fedora, opensuse etc isos are hybrid [11:30] indeed. [11:30] s/in/to [11:30] ron1n: eh. I'd rather it "just work" [11:31] NaCl, it _is_ ubuntu after all. [11:31] usbboot.img serves my needs well enough. [11:31] InTel_GB (~intel@79.100.235.166) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Nicce (1000@ip-181-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] but thats 20mb. mine's 970.. [11:32] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-rncincnubqpsovrj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:32] its standalone [11:32] sahk0, 20mb is much more manageable, and I always have the slackware 13 iso handy [11:33] I was testing whether the Shiny New Stuff (R) in ubuntu worked with some of my hardware [11:34] anyway... time to reboot into 2.6.33.1. brb [11:34] hodges (h0dg3s@unaffiliated/hodges) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:35] ron1n: like i said before theres many ways to do this. but distributing an iso that boots on anything adds flexibility. for example if you dont have an internet connection or a slackware tree somewhere in the network usbboot.img is worthless [11:36] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:37] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [11:38] sahk0, I've done several net installs over 3G tethering. [11:39] but to one his own. [11:40] I usually do net installs these days. [11:40] the netinstall doesn't support wireless afaik ? [11:40] thrice`: correct [11:40] thrice`, usb tether. [11:41] but correct, it doestn't support wireless. [11:41] ron1n, install over 3g? you must've been desperate [11:41] jeev, Just patient. [11:41] what provider [11:41] AT&T [11:41] I had slackware-current on disk already, so I just installed from that. [11:42] 7.2mbps HSDPA isn't anything to complain about. [11:42] installed crazy fast [11:42] cap ? [11:42] high speed data something something? [11:42] NaCl, I know a few people who keep -current mirrored on their hard disk [11:42] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Action: NaCl does [11:42] Necos, High Speed Data Packet Access [11:43] ah [11:43] I run -current on multiple machines, might as well download only once [11:43] jeev, as far as I can tell uncapped [11:43] winger (~ev@96.56.22.60) left irc: [11:44] I envy the European t-mobile subscribers. 21 mbps HSDPA is enough to use as a primary connection. [11:44] heh, yeah... [11:45] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:45] i jusr don't feel comfortable depending on wireless [11:45] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:46] i wonder, at which point will we start pumping such powerful EM waves into the air that we'll ionize the air... :) [11:46] i think its too succeptible to a man in the middle attack [11:46] more so then any other tech [11:46] InTel_GB (~intel@79.100.235.166) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:46] ron1n, i think ATT has a 5gb transfer cap [11:47] att is over subbed [11:47] Skywise, not in my area. [11:47] at least on the east coast [11:47] nyc is the worst, but all the major cities have issues [11:47] and I don't believe my traffic is susceptible to MITM attacks, except for AT&T snooping. [11:48] i only have att because they bought cingular who was a really good carrier [11:48] Skywise, North Eastern PA having no issues, not even with coverage. [11:49] i'm not just talking about 3 and 4g, just wireless networking in general [11:49] well, ne pa is the middle of nowhere [11:49] there's a 4g now? [11:49] Skywise, yupp =] [11:49] NaCl, in select markets yupp [11:49] WiMAX. City wide wireless networks operating by major carriers. Mainly, Sprint. [11:49] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-26-137.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:50] i was a camp counselor during college in east straudsberg [11:50] wheeeeee [11:50] Skywise, Stroudsburg? Thats 10 minutes from my house haha [11:50] i've also canoed down the deleware [11:50] yeah [11:50] I currently reside over in Saylorsburg. [11:51] its beautiful country [11:51] hey, anyone know what channel would be of best assistance for me? i have a couple questions about MOSFETs and capacitors? 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[11:59] my wireless modem is right next to my bed... can it kill me? [11:59] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:59] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:59] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [11:59] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [11:59] dios_mio: it won't kill you per se, but it will destroy your penis and your future children are doomed to become salesmen or worse :p [12:00] :| [12:00] but right now, you have to tell people your things can do the impossible just for anyone to believe it can do anything at all now [12:00] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Disconnected by services [12:01] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Skywise: that is one of the reasons of why i love dilbert so much [12:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:02] jeev, yeah, I did. I never got any kind of notification of exceeding it so I don't know how well it's enforced [12:02] if your honest with people they'll think your stuff is so crappy you to ashamed to even lie better about it [12:02] s/you to/your too/ [12:03] dios_mio, truth it, the technology hasn't been out long enough to figure out the long term radiation effects. [12:03] is* [12:03] dang [12:03] i use a wireless headset [12:04] By the time a 10 year radiation study has been completed on wireless B, N is already established. [12:04] wired headsets are constantly tangling and cumbersome [12:04] Skywise, I'm too much of an audiophile to settle on wireless. It isn't the radiation that concerns me. [12:05] but i'd be more worried about living next to a cell phone tower then the cell phone [12:05] and i don't even see how you can avoid them now [12:05] Skywise, i have one of those right next to my house! [12:05] Living next to one isn't so bad. [12:05] as long as your living under it. [12:05] yeah, i see them on anything over 30' tall [12:06] heh. [12:06] i think dios_mio is getting blasted by one [12:06] I put panel antennas in for a major customer on city metal poles [12:06] put metallic tint on your windows [12:06] but then you'll lose your signal [12:06] Light poles, traffic poles, overhead line poles, all around Philadelphia [12:07] yeah its crazy [12:07] It's a catch 22. Do you want to be able to use your mobile phone? Okay. You run the risk of brain cancer then. [12:07] makes me wonder why people need tanning booths when they can just take a walk outside [12:07] heh. I have a serious issue with those who walk around like human toast. [12:08] what? the outside? what is that? [12:08] v3gard, I think I gave that up for lent [12:08] Action: ron1n XD [12:08] its the place with no roof, where radiation lives [12:08] omg.. sounds dangerous [12:08] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:09] better stick to my computer and irc :) [12:09] ron1n, actually, studies have shown that there's no link to cell phone usage and actual cancer, but there is a link that if you are predisposed to cancer, then your brain has a higher chance of developing cancer on the side you use your cell phone the most [12:09] sounds like a lot of mincing [12:09] i don't understand how you can make claim #1 in light of claim #2! [12:10] think about it [12:10] alisonken1home, thats great for one form of technology, but by the time these studies are conclusive, they're irrelevant because something new is out. [12:10] there is that :) [12:10] thats why people dont bother [12:10] We just found out now how bad AOA was, and we were using that in the 90's! [12:10] ok, thought about it again, and still makes no sense on this end. [12:10] i think the true answer is that we don't understand how radiation interacts with tissues [12:10] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [12:11] and by the time we do understand, new radiation exists. [12:11] the initial reports came from studies in mice [12:11] ron1n, it's enforced pretty damn tightly [12:11] but we can't know if they're more prone then us [12:11] mancha: it's like the tires on a car - if the driver is the only person in the car most of the time, then the tires on the drivers side of the car wear out faster [12:11] overages are a bitch, you should read www.dslreports.com [12:12] jeev, wow. So much for unlimited data. [12:12] but then you can't claim that there is no relationship between tire wear and weight of the chassis [12:12] its only unlimited until you try to use some [12:12] do the math, $0.02 per kb [12:13] the way i see it, it is binary, there either IS or there ISN'T a link. [12:13] so 0.02per kb x overage = your ass [12:13] well, your route will have an effect as well, the outside tire provides more cornering force and wears faster [12:13] a full slackware install is 4.5 gig. That means the rest of the month, I used less than 500MB of bandwidth. I got real lucky. [12:13] actually, there's a relationship between tire wear and chassis weight, but the driver adds extra weight on one side of the vehicle [12:13] sure, the link can be attenuated or accentuated by other factors, but there either is or isn't one there to start [12:13] Moral is. Tires give you cancer just like cell phones. [12:14] no sorry it's 0.05 per mb [12:14] so if i claim, 100% no link between cell phone usage and cancer, then i cannot claim "oh but if you do use one a lot and have a predispotion to cancer you're more likely than a non cell user to get brian cancer" [12:14] and brian cancer is a whole lot worse than brain cancer, believe you me [12:15] i was worried about that [12:15] Action: ron1n XD [12:15] just ask brian :) [12:15] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:15] someone n00bfarm that immediately, I know I LOL'd. [12:16] life causes cancer! [12:17] no one gets out of life alive [12:17] studies have also shown the pink packet sugar substitute causes cancer in lab rats - by feeding the equivalent of 2 teaspoons of sugar substitute in 200 cups of tea per day [12:17] medical studies show that life is the #1 cause of death [12:17] yeah, so many carcinogens are from totally overloading rodents with the stuff [12:18] aspertame does cause brain cancer [12:18] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:18] lets just hope it stops at that and doesn't progress to brian cancer [12:18] Skywise, it is terrible for you [12:18] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:18] as is high fructose corn syrup. That's been proven time and time again. [12:18] hfcs is bad as well [12:19] Skywise, not as bad a HFS+. [12:19] yeah, theres no reason to go away from cane sugar [12:19] but the commercials! how can you argue with 'it comes from corn' [12:19] raendeer, radda radda fine in moderation [12:19] its all bs. [12:19] if you want fewer calories, how about eating less [12:19] so does methanol [12:19] Skywise, true story is true. [12:20] what about people afraid of sls (sodium lauryl/laureth? sulfate?) in everything :P or fluorine [12:20] we need to end corn subsidys [12:20] or crazy people and milk.. "IT HAS PUS AND BLOOD IN IT OMFG!!!" [12:20] Skywise, their producing corn below the cost of production now. It's crazy. [12:20] but you can't even buy anything without corn in it [12:21] we need to stop drinking water - fish have sex there and make babies [12:21] I hear there is totally poop in drinking water wtffff :( [12:21] i went to get apple sauce the other day, it not only had corn syrup but it also had corn starch in it too [12:21] It's all in this great documentary food inc. Corn is the root of all evil. [12:21] i was like wtf, wheres the sauce just made from apples [12:21] Vanilla extract is made from corn now for crying out loud [12:22] they're making kitty litter from corn now [12:22] someone should make some 'corn' from soybeans or something :P [12:22] kitty litter tastes great [12:22] not to mention, its all gm corn [12:22] hmmm - I wonder where ##slackware-offtopic when to :) [12:22] went [12:22] "CORN! now corn-free!" [12:22] alisonken1home, it went the way of the organic food movement. [12:22] meat, now with more corn [12:23] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [12:23] heh [12:23] i've tried using ##slackware-offtopic several times, but whenever i join that channel, there's nobody there, and all the fun is on ##slackware :) [12:23] so on topic. I hear the Bob demonizes corn. And all its followers. [12:23] offtopic is the kiddie pool [12:23] v3gard: hey, we're there all the time.. just poke Camarade_Tux in the eye a few times [12:23] raendeer: that is an awesome idea :) [12:23] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [12:25] I always have had a terrible habit of derailing perfectly good irc channels =P [12:25] That and bad mouthing debian. [12:25] theres so much dead air on irc, diversions provide entertainment value [12:26] well, if anyone has an actual tech issue.. [12:26] raendeer, I'd be obligated to quite bs'ing and get on topic, for sure. [12:27] unless its about windows or debian [12:27] yupp [12:27] windows made me very unhappy today. I didn't want to use it, but I was forced into it, and it just pissed me off.. sigh [12:28] windows and linux are mirror opposites [12:28] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] windows has a neat exterior with a crappy interior [12:29] no way, I don't like windows' ui. I much prefer fluxbox [12:33] CONFIG_DM_EVENTS - generate udev events for DM events (EXPERIMENTAL kernel option) .. do I need this for /dev/mapper/mydevice to show up when I use cryptsetup ? [12:36] lol Skywise [12:36] windows without anti-virus is a real mess... I had to install AVG on a windows the other day and it found lots of virus and trojans that were doing weird stuff [12:36] For example, the computer may stop responding after you put it into hibernation and then resume it from hibernation approximately 300 times. [12:36] do people really count hibernation? geez [12:38] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0C3F8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [12:40] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:43] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0C3F8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:43] speaking of hibernation. [12:43] How do I tell lilo where to resume from? [12:44] append="resume=/dev/" [12:44] its specificed in lilo.conf [12:45] ah, so basically the same as Grub. That's what I thought. [12:45] After that I should be able to use pm-hibernate fine, correct? [12:46] ron1n: yes [12:46] sweet. [12:48] Wiren- (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:48] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:48] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] ron1n: fwiw, that is just a kernel parameter, it has nothing to do with the bootloader [12:49] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:50] NaCl, I see [12:51] anyone in here use suspend2? or is pm-utils really the way to go these days? [12:52] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:52] pm-utils works for me (and everyone else, apparently) [12:53] My biggest thing is lzma compression. 10GB hard disk and 256MB ram. [12:54] I've never suspended one of my laptops [12:54] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [12:54] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-rwfmtnvphbrhncgf) joined ##slackware. [12:55] raendeer, when booting takes this long and a big keeps me from using an on screen keyboard with XDM, it's probably worth it to hibernate. [12:55] bug* [12:56] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.122) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:57] Alrighty one last question and I'm off to kernel hacking. [12:57] to build a kernel as root, or not to build a kernel as root? Does it really matter anymore? [12:58] i always compile my kernels as root [12:59] i don't see any reason not to [12:59] (as long as you remember you're root and don't start 'rm -Rf /*'ing) [13:00] some distros recommended to not do it, but shrug [13:00] v3gard, I see. Alrighty. Thanks for your insight. I think I'll do it as root then. [13:00] I compile all my kernels as root [13:01] alienBOB, hmm okay. root it is then. Thanks [13:02] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.95) joined ##slackware. [13:11] so /proc/cpuinfo says I have a coppermine of cpu family 6. Is it safe to assume that means 686? I'm attempting at compiling a kernel. [13:13] its 686 [13:13] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.41.151) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [13:13] alrighty thanks [13:14] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [13:14] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:15] great 686 isn't an option -_- 386, 486, 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX, Pentium-Classic, Pentium-MMX, or Pentium-Pro is all I can pick from. [13:15] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-41.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [13:16] thats a pentium iii iirc but that isnt in list either [13:16] I know k5 is an AMD processor, I'm positive I don't have one of those [13:17] so I don't think that's what I need. [13:17] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [13:18] rworkman (3356@about/slackware/rworkman) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:19] rworkman (3356@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:41] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.4.80.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:44] matt0 (~matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:48] is make xconfig worth bothering with? [13:49] no [13:50] ron1n, it depends [13:50] If you need more jiggawatts [13:50] maybe [13:50] but in reality [13:50] no [13:50] well, I could set up x11 forwarding over ssh so I can make xconfig, but I don't see why when I can make menuconfig [13:50] multiple monitor configurations, etc, you should configure an xorg.conf [13:50] can you get a hd up to 88mph? [13:51] hoobop, That's not what he's talking about :-) [13:51] adamk, all i caught was wheather or not it was worth bothering with [13:51] on the other hand, I've been avoiding x11 forwarding for a while. I should just configure it already. [13:51] hoobop, make xconfig as opposed to make menuconfig for kernel configuration [13:51] yuger (~75c83460@gateway/web/freenode/x-vpzgyxjbwdqrlvak) joined ##slackware. [13:52] ah, sorry... lol [13:52] mad_baz_ (~nutter@212.183.140.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:52] although i like xconfig [13:52] all that GUI goodness [13:52] Gooey yuminess [13:52] heh, it's a bit of a catch 22. Should I be lazy this time and forget about x11 forwarding because menuconfig is available? or should I set x11 forwarding up cause I'll need it sooner or later [13:53] i think you just answered your question [13:53] What's there to setup with x11 forwarding? You enable it in sshd_config and ssh_config and you're done. [13:53] now it seems it's just about WHEN you want to do it [13:53] GOD DAMMIT; Why isn't my slackware mirror up to date with current [13:53] WHY! OH GOD WHY! [13:53] I really did. lazyness wins this time. [13:54] i like laziness almost as much as i like xconfig [13:54] which is saying a lot [13:54] although i'm too lazy to repeat it [13:54] is xconfig still qt3? [13:54] I hope so. I nuked all the KDE4 stuff. [13:54] Does anyone use ftp.iinet.net.au as their mirror? [13:55] Kow (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:55] matt0, I use osu osl. [13:55] their pretty quick. [13:55] I don't know what that is? [13:55] matt0, allow me to be more useful [13:55] http://slackware.osuosl.org/ [13:56] Mmm, I need a local mirror [13:56] hi , i m trying to setup dial up connection on slackware 13 throw pppoesetup , i ve no idea how to setup, i ve my cellphone ( 3g ) for dial up connection ,that needs no username / password , i use to connect dial up in windows - making connection and dialing *99# [13:56] well, thats what I use as my mirror. You can rysnc all that down with a cron job [13:57] I'll sync that down your cron job [13:57] mR! [13:57] XD [13:58] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:58] freelibrary (~notRoot@p548F745C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] help :-s [13:59] Has slackware any dict client ?(default install) [14:02] JonnyV (~jonny@2001:5c0:1104:6700:218:deff:fe46:495e) joined ##slackware. [14:03] dictionary? [14:03] kde has the KDE Dictionary Client... [14:03] matt0 (matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left ##slackware. [14:03] hoobop, yes but gust for console [14:04] just* [14:04] nader, i don't know [14:06] nader, I've been looking for one for use with xvkbd's word completion feature. Can't find it, so I assume no. [14:06] you can try locate dict though [14:08] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:08] ron1n, ok [14:11] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:14] elemenohpee (~si@cpe-98-150-173-192.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.95) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:14] pupit (p@91.150.106.167) left ##slackware. [14:15] the backtrack project has a very comprehensive dictionary for obvious reasons. I'm thinking of extracting it from the iso image. You could try the same. [14:15] nader (1000@84.241.19.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:17] elemenohpee (~si@cpe-98-150-173-192.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:18] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:18] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:19] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.28.218) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wnevvbydbxdfvntb) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:19] Hey, can I mount new hdd in /mnt/something and hold my files there? [14:20] InTel_GB: yes [14:20] lostb (~quassel@c213-100-53-180.swipnet.se) joined ##slackware. [14:21] thanks, I created new ext4 filesystem with mkfs, but in fstab I wrong somewhere. How should seem the line for the device [14:22] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:22] defaults 0 0 or? [14:23] man fstab [14:26] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [14:27] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:27] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [14:27] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.4.80.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:27] I don't find decision. Actually I just wrong in the end of the line and with the premission, because I can't write to the mounted dir [14:28] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.50.123.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:28] InTel_GB, look into umask [14:29] in this case must also edit fstab [14:29] actually, thats unnecessary. Did you specify rw in fstab? [14:30] yes [14:30] but should it be defaults,rw or? [14:31] they should be, but its always better to specify especially when troubleshooting [14:31] does the user have sufficient privileges to access the point point? [14:32] point point [14:33] I tryed with UID, but obviously this is not correct, because when try to mount it print an error [14:35] anyone had issues with cups and latest openssl upgrade? [14:36] I'm getting a "Unable to encrypt connection" error on cups logs [14:36] unknown ca [14:39] damn, hybrid isos are not gonna be in Slackware any time soon. cause "dont work on all the marginal hardware out there" [14:39] well, as long as its possible to create your own if you need one.. [14:40] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.28.218) left ##slackware. [14:45] hi , i m trying to setup dial up connection on slackware 13 throw pppoesetup , i ve no idea how to setup, i ve my cellphone ( 3g ) for dial up connection ,that needs no username / password , i use to connect dial up in windows - making connection and dialing *99# ( sorry for bad english language ) [14:48] psYcker (~psYcker@201.165.77.24) joined ##slackware. [14:50] freelibrary (~notRoot@p548F745C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:50] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [14:52] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:55] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:58] yuger: did you try pppoe-setup [14:58] yeah but that ask for username and pass [14:58] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-tgxqrnenirqzfzlr) joined ##slackware. [14:58] but that dialup not requires user/pass [15:00] im slackware lamer myself [15:01] maybe someone will help you :) [15:01] hrm ok [15:02] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:05] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:11] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:13] hello [15:14] after some magic, my hp printer works again, but in syslog i have this message: python: io/hpmud/musb.c 601: invalid usb_open: Permission denied [15:14] all work fine... what's the meaning of that message? anyone with same behaviour? [15:15] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) joined ##slackware. [15:15] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) left irc: Changing host [15:15] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [15:16] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. 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[15:56] terry_: thank you so much i will test it [15:56] In that case, I have slackware installed on the 3rd partition of the second HD [15:56] jonathanr (~vcbnxn@88-107-175-204.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:56] terry_: ok i will test thanks [15:56] despiron (~root@187.64.102.210) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 [15:57] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [15:57] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [15:57] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [15:57] Nick change: stillbor1 -> stillborn [15:58] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:58] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [15:59] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-107-72.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [16:01] jonathanr (~vcbnxn@88-107-175-204.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:28] Action: Delahunt wonders if rworkman is awake [16:28] adrenaline (~repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] doesn't appear so.. idle 3+hours [16:29] Action: Delahunt didn't expect an answer either 8-) [16:31] hrm, i wonder how i can get this darn netgear router to allow the machines to operate in promiscuous mode. [16:32] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:32] wireless? [16:33] a promiscusous router? [16:33] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [16:33] it has wireless capability but everything's wired [16:33] ive got one box i want to dedicate to being a network monitor [16:33] if you command your ethernet card to promiscuous mode and the router won't let it, you're sol [16:33] arp flood [16:34] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:34] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:34] well, yeah, i could do arp poisoning at the cost of the performance of my network. [16:34] surely there's a way to get the router to allow that traffic. [16:35] some are configured not to allow that [16:36] you`ll need a network tap when and a pair of netcards in that box, or a switch with a mirror/monitor port [16:36] (security) [16:36] hrm, yeah, i could turn the network machine into a pass-through. [16:37] em, service [16:37] that seems like alotta work. [16:39] righteous: if the switch has a 'monitor' or 'mirror' function.. mirror the port you want to monitor.. other than that.. off the shelf consumer products normally don't have a mirroring funcationality [16:40] Dominian:: it doesnt; what im considering is putting an extra nic in the monitoring machine i built and having that between the network and the router. [16:40] modem <-> monitor <-> router <-> network [16:42] if you have the parts at home, a passiv network tap is easy to build, but you would need two netcards in your monitoring box to capture both out and ingoing data [16:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] what are these things youre calling netcards? [16:44] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:44] nics? [16:44] nics yeah, sorry I am thinking in danish here [16:44] haha its ok, i was hoping i understood you [16:44] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: BitchX-1.1-final: just when you thought it couldn't get any better [16:45] rachael:: yeah i was thinking something much like that. wouldn't both nics have to be promiscuous enabled in order to successfully bridge them as a transparent switch? [16:46] eh, dammit, no, that won't work because im hosting services on the machine, too, and will need an ip address; it will have to serve as a gateway. [16:46] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-223-249.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [16:46] for my router [16:46] when the box is running as a bridge, yes, they both have to be in promiscous mode [16:47] echtts (~echtts@189-46-24-113.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:47] http://www.altsec.info/passive-network-tap.html , if you build such a thing , tap into the network where you want and have the box monitor the data flowing there [16:48] it wouldnt be part of the network as its only listning not sending anything with such a box [16:48] yeah, im hosting services on the machine for my network as well and would need it to be part of the network. [16:48] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [16:49] it would also need connectivity and DMZ [16:49] well one just needs 3 nics then :) two for snooping in on the net and one for being part of it [16:49] hrm, that might work. [16:50] sounds like a pain in the butt. [16:50] depends ofcause on what hardware you have there, you might not have that many slots for nics [16:50] ohhh i do. [16:52] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] rachael:: "This ethernet tap is not a substitute for a tap that uses electronics to sample the network traffic. It should never be placed inline with a critical, production host due to the likelihood of anywhere from 10% to %50 errors and packet loss. It should be used only for spot checks of hosts where other methods of sniffing the traffic are not convenient. In practice, it is simply a very handy gadget to carry [16:52] around in your network tool bag. REPEAT: For tapping a critical, production system, consider only the best quality passive tap you can afford, and only use the “cheap” PNT when it's your only choice for as short a time as possible to avoid degrading the network unnecessarily." [16:54] if you are only running 10/100mbit there you could just hook a hub in before the modem, that way you would get it all also [16:54] rachael:: hrmmmm...i have a spare netgear router that i think can run as a switch....i bet that would do it. [16:55] well, unless you have a boss that is reaady chop your head off , a tap is pretty safe, and rarely preforms as badly as described there [16:55] no you want a hub not swicth [16:56] i dont have a hub [16:56] a hub send the data from port onto each of the ports, the switch only sends data between the ports based on the arp table it keeps of connected MAC addresses [16:58] hrmmmmmm i bet...that router....if i put it behind the spare router, and then linked that into the network that the spare router would handle the load from the arp poisoning without it draining the rest of the network. [16:59] e.g. (big router) <-> ((little router, spare) -> (arp spoofing/monitor)) [16:59] alongside: (big router) <-> (network) [17:00] i dunno i cant think today [17:00] vcampos (~vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-40.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [17:04] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [17:05] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] anybody using gambas2 with slackware-current? [17:10] rachael:: haha you know what i could do is just splice two cat5 cables; a normal head on one end and a double-head on the other and plug one into a nic on the monitor box, and just monitor that. [17:10] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:11] that seems like the most non-invasive way yet [17:13] look for oob monitoring [17:15] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:16] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:17] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:23] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [17:23] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [17:24] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [17:25] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] does /sys tree generated everytime at startup? [17:25] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:26] vdv: less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/sysfs.txt [17:27] the answer was: yes ) [17:27] haha yep [17:27] also /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysfs-rules.txt is good reading [17:28] but topmost sys directory should present, right? [17:28] yes [17:28] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:29] and what happens if it's not there? will boot process fail? [17:29] some things may not work properly, but it should boot fine afaik [17:30] can the absence of /sys directory be the reason that node for hdd partition doesn't created? [17:31] when it's enabled in your kernel, /sys exists [17:31] i don't know [17:31] i become an error during boot, when initrd tries to mount root partition, it fails with the "there no such device" error [17:32] can't mount: no such device /dev/sdb1 [17:32] are you trying anything fancy like lvm or luks on your root filesystem ? [17:33] nope [17:33] i've copied my current installation to external usb drive [17:33] and now try to boot from it [17:34] interesting, that nodes for internal drive do exist [17:34] usus12jari (1000@114.59.34.228) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:35] boot from external disk interrupts, i do ls /dev/sda, and devices are there [17:35] does the initrd have usb support in it? [17:35] but no /dev/sdb* nodes, that corresponds to external drive partitions [17:35] ahh, think no [17:36] and that is the problem?? [17:36] i was just gonna ask if you were using an initrd [17:36] maybe [17:36] i rebuilt initrd image [17:36] but doesn't include usb support [17:36] thrn add it [17:36] then [17:37] -m usbhid:ehci-hcd:uhci-hcd:crc16:jbd2:mbcache:ext4 [17:37] looks that right? [17:37] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:37] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:37] echtts (~echtts@189-46-24-113.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:37] duno, i always used the initrd generator myself [17:38] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:38] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [17:38] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:38] maybe usb mass storage, if its a module [17:38] i dont know if it is [17:38] i've used also generator [17:39] i boot from current installation, then mount partition on external drive, do chroot, and run generator [17:39] will generator give right params then? [17:39] hmm [17:39] it has for me [17:39] at least see what it recommends [17:39] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:40] then the reason is not in not including usb support in initrd likely [17:40] echtts (~echtts@201-27-187-220.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:40] yeah, sounds likely to me [17:40] because i used params that generator gived [17:40] hmm [17:40] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] /sys sure would help troubleshoot this [17:41] when i copy installation to another partition, should i include /dev ? [17:42] in the chroot ? [17:42] i mount --bind it [17:42] no [17:42] saibot (~saibot@189.35.152.36) joined ##slackware. [17:42] i mean, i do cp -a / to_new_partition [17:42] and exclude only /sys and /proc [17:43] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:43] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:43] is that right? or maybe i should also exclude /dev? [17:44] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:44] the devs package should be all you need if you're mirroring your install to another (usb) drive [17:45] it was internet [17:45] now its usb [17:46] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] ) [17:47] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:48] symptom is quite simple: boot process interrupts on a stage when initrd tries to mount root partition with an error "cannot mount: no such device" [17:49] it tries to mount /dev/sdb1 to /mnt [17:49] and /dev/sdb1 doesn't exist [17:49] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Wiren- (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [17:51] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:51] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [17:52] Well I got GSB gnome for slackware workin and I feel at home again [17:52] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [17:52] mishehu_ (~mishehu@ashlayah001.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] ah hem, I have a subern00b question please. Are all linux distributions based on the exact same linux kernel? Like is there only one updated linux kernel that slackware, ubunutu, etc etc use? [17:54] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:54] saibot (~saibot@189.35.152.36) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:54] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [17:55] M1ck3y: it is basically the same core kernel but different distros may supply it with different modules compiled in etc [17:55] Nick change: mishehu_ -> mishehu [17:55] Cool, thanks! [17:56] ) [17:57] same core kernel but different levels too [17:57] M1ck3y: and a lot of distributions also apply patches to those kernels [17:57] some also are uberpatched [17:57] M1ck3y, slackware's kernel is a vanilla kernel [17:58] (me sort oflumped the rest of the details into etc :) [17:58] Action: NyteOwl sort oflumped the rest of the details into etc :) [17:58] lol [17:58] rmmod -a is undocumented =) [17:58] Action: M1ck3y doesn't really understand and is fine with etc's [17:58] hmm... [17:58] M1ck3y, will in time [17:59] Have any of you read a really good book that just explains the basics of operating systems in general? [17:59] there's many [17:59] M1ck3y: start with wikipedia entries [17:59] I'm pretty good at figuring out how to use things, like using linux (or at least ubuntu) is super easy, but I'm still totally unclear as to how they work [18:00] ananke: will do [18:00] mishehu (~mishehu@ashlayah001.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:00] M1ck3y, look at anything from Andrew Tanenbaum [18:00] :) [18:00] M1ck3y, are you a tech person? [18:00] vdv: what do you mean? [18:00] using them would be a great step forward [18:00] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427371.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:00] He is a proffessor in OS's books are a little expensive maybe get a used one from amazon but they are deep [18:00] i mean, are you involved in computer science? [18:01] i.e. studied computer science [18:01] next on the agenda: who is your daddy and what does he do? [18:01] vdv: just starting, I've been in college for two years but I'm just really about to begin studying computer science [18:01] adrenaline: thanks for the author! [18:01] Understanding the Linux Kernel, By Daniel P. Bovet, Marco Cesati [18:01] M1ck3y: seriously though, are you going to do comp sci as a major/minor/career or you're just a power user? [18:02] ananke: well power user for now, but If I decide I'm not a complete moron at this stuff, then career definitely. It's almost all I think about lately. [18:02] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] does anyone managed to set the skype mood while using amarok ? [18:02] libraries are a great way to get around pricey books unless you plan on stating your own collection [18:02] M1ck3y, don't forget to enjoy yourself. You are in for a lot of fun. Don't forget why you decided to do this!! [18:02] NyteOwl: I love libraries! [18:02] univ libraries are awesome for good reading [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427371.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:03] yeah dont sell out in the way to the top [18:03] adrenaline: I'm totally enjoying myself! It's al lso much fun. [18:03] s/in/on [18:03] adrenaline: indeed. every day i remind myself how much i hate computers :) [18:03] righteous (righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:04] mishehu (~mishehu@109.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] mishehu (~mishehu@109.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:04] That's the thing, I'm desparately trying to get some of my friends into computer stuff, but they're windows addicts and are super scared of words like terminal and source.. :( [18:04] i just can't figure out why it fails to boot ( [18:04] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-63-131-54-26.pit.onecommunications.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] M1ck3y: what's your current major? and what interests you in the IT field? [18:05] ananke: current major undecided, but I like the idea of network security and the thought of making sweet applications (although I don't really understand what that entails) [18:05] Action: vdv doesn't know why it fails to boot [18:06] not sure what 'sweet' would really mean, but ok [18:06] Action: vdv is very disappointed [18:06] Action: vdv needs help ) [18:07] M1ck3y, get them in gradually. [18:07] Maybe show them powershell or Cygwin? [18:07] ananke: Sorry, I guess I just mean that I really like the idea of software that challenges the way people use computers, or allows people to do things that they weren't able to do before. I really like the idea of supporting open source programs, or making new programs for people to enjoy. [18:07] Action: Motoko-chan just moved server to new hardware and set all new sites up with suexec and php via fastcgi. [18:08] Even better than powershell or cygwin check out "AndLinux" [18:08] Quite the learning experience, that. [18:09] Andlinux rides on top of windows nicely and is a debian/ubunto distro that can apt-get in the shell [18:09] adrenaline, looks to be based on http://www.colinux.org/ ... [18:09] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Whatever it is, it is great for newbs. [18:09] almost one earthquake every 5 minutes since yesterday [18:10] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:10] M1ck3y: well, i guess it's time to start taking some classes and see what you think. programming is a tough career, especially if you are starting that late [18:10] i cant eat my doritos with all this shaking [18:11] Action: vdv goes to sleep.. [18:11] Sounds like you should move. All is calm here in Phoenix [18:11] ananke: That's totally what I'm afraid of. But like I said if I don't fair so well with it that's ok. I just like messing around with this stuff. [18:12] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:12] xsamurai, Baja California? [18:12] and miss out on upcoming beach front property [18:12] Motoko-chan: San Diego [18:12] Close enough. [18:12] I felt the 7.2 yesterday. [18:13] http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Maps/US2/32.34.-117.-115_eqs.php [18:13] yeah i missed that one, i was on the road from LA, i caught the 4am wake up call though , then 6am or so [18:13] I was working on the computer at home. [18:13] Action: Motoko-chan is up near Pomona/Ontario. [18:14] fortunately if San Andreas goes we'll all go down together [18:15] adrenaline: those books are expensive! [18:16] Books? [18:16] get your books used [18:16] get ebooks [18:16] ahhahahha [18:16] hehe, used ebooks [18:16] adrenaline, a friend in Tucson IMed me yesterday to tell me they felt it. [18:16] hahahah, if only [18:17] slightly damaged ebooks, a few pages corrupt, some random markings on the cover.. [18:17] What books? [18:17] books by tanenbaum on OS'es [18:17] This guy named Andrew Tanenbaum [18:17] Ah. [18:17] echtts_ (~echtts@189-18-128-38.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Action: Motoko-chan recognizes that name [18:18] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:18] He's the author of Minix. [18:18] teacher of linus [18:19] His book on Operating Systems is definitely thorough. Not terribly unreadable, either. [18:19] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:21] echtts (~echtts@201-27-187-220.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:22] Did any of you fine people go to college for computer science / IT? [18:22] nope i find the CS field one that is easily grasped over episodes of star trek and cheetos [18:22] M1ck3y: we all went to college, but many of us went to university too [18:22] haha [18:23] M1ck3y: you can't do anything without a college education, anyway [18:23] I'm a compsci/math major, yes. [18:24] M1ck3y, they are expensive, but depending on how deep you want to get they are worth it. They talk about the OS as a whole from top to bottom. They are also text books. They are also from the guy that taught or help teach Linus Torvalds. Keep searching a used one will do [18:24] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:24] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:25] Kun-fu (~chatzilla@167.157.63.3) joined ##slackware. [18:25] Yeah.. I'm just worried about graduating from a less-than-great school and was wondering if anyone had experience with how much the school you go to matters against how much what you can do matters. I go to a big university, it just isn't a top-whatever school. [18:25] Motoko-chan, I live in Tempe and didn't feel a thing , but I saw on facebook some friends down south (Chandler) did [18:25] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:25] plus, there's stuff like MikeOS out there if you just wanna get your hands dirty with OS concepts [18:25] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:25] adrenaline: I'll totally get one, as soon as I have some money and find a used copy. Thanks so much for the direction! [18:25] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_drichme [18:25] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.196.147) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:26] M1ck3y, abebooks.com [18:26] try interlibrary loans and whatnot, as well [18:26] Good search for that stuff [18:26] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [18:26] It may be overkill for what you need, but it addresses everything. It is a hard read and a fat book for sure [18:26] for something that big, a library isn't worth much though [18:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.69.60) joined ##slackware. [18:27] bye [18:28] Kun-fu (~chatzilla@167.157.63.3) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:28] M1ck3y: www.abebooks.com [18:28] Oh, Motoko-chan already got it. [18:28] what the heck? that abebooks website says it's only $1. [18:29] Some of those come from other countries. [18:29] Check the shipping, it's probably $30. [18:29] But, it's still cheap for that book. [18:29] Sometimes, those are teacher review editions, or editions for study in China or India. [18:30] too cool! thanks again. [18:30] I have a copy of "A Book On C" that I got cheap from there. The cover is entirely in Chinese, but the contents are all English. International Editions, they call them. [18:33] Well, I have plenty to buy, read, learn, aquire, and play with. My mission for the day is done. Thanks to all of you again! this is the most helpful and awesome irc room ever! Now I have to go do homework or I'll fail out of college and end up pawning my computer and then it will all be for naught. :) [18:33] I just pawn Motoko-chan when I need cash. [18:34] i think if I were homeless, i'd live under a bridge with a computer :P [18:34] computers make nice pillows [18:37] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [18:37] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:41] "Youth is wasted on the young" comes to mind [18:45] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] mishehu (~mishehu@heartofgold.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.23.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:50] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-41.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [18:51] Is there anything like /etc/security/limits.conf on Slackware? [18:51] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.29.44) joined ##slackware. [18:51] I can't find docs on it anywhere, but I know something similar should exist. [18:52] mishehu (~mishehu@heartofgold.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:52] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [18:52] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:52] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:55] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:56] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:58] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [19:01] Motoko-chan: there is /etc/limits [19:02] Okay. 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[19:35] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [19:38] sukaeto: ifplugd uses hotplug, which has been obsoleted [19:38] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Quit: http://clicanimaux.com svp cliquez sur le bouton au millieu de la page pour nourir un animal abandonné, please click on the button and feed a poor and forseken animal for free ! http://clicanimaux.com [19:39] What do they want to use now? [19:40] Does it end in "Kit"? [19:40] the flac package doesn't include the xmms flac plugin... why doesn't it? [19:40] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:40] xmms is dead? [19:40] Motoko-chan: it got a release couple of weeks ago :) [19:40] foobarz: thats only in x86_64 [19:40] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] and yeah, xmms is dead [19:41] Slackware is the only distribution still shipping it [19:41] xmms might be dead in terms of no more development, but it does still work fine.. i like to use it [19:41] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:42] ananke: alright, fair enough ;-) [19:42] im sure audacious comes with a better flac plugin [19:42] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] Version 1.2.11 - released march 2010 :) [19:42] the flac plugin comes from the flac package [19:42] it is broken in 64bit current [19:42] ananke: even their website has been compromised [19:42] you have to rebuild flac with a patch [19:43] hm. I compiled flac on my own with the xmms plugin.. it seems to be working [19:43] sahk0: 'compromised'? that's not entirely true. it was sold by the previous sponsor [19:44] yeah, im pretty bored, its late and i thought this word would "do" :) [19:44] whose late? :) [19:44] Tue Apr 6 02:44:06 EEST 2010 [19:44] it was a joke, since you used 'its' [19:44] Hah, ananke. :) [19:45] sadly enough, not that funny :) [19:46] the 32bit flac package builds the flac plugin btw [19:47] errm xmms plugin [19:47] and links against gtk+1 among other things [19:51] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:52] groo (~groo@201-26-126-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:52] groo (~groo@201-26-126-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [19:53] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:53] rvo (~rodrigo@67.207.133.226) joined ##slackware. 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[21:22] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!Ignacio@190.51.63.137: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | Public Channel Logs: http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26 2009 | Torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: seamonkey, thunderbirdl, firefox. [21:23] in short, every mozilla product available for slackware has had problems this last time :P [21:23] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:23] nachox, oh no, not another seamonkey/firefox patch [21:23] yes, another [21:23] i got the mails yesterday [21:24] i was just too lazy to update the topic [21:24] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [21:24] oh I see. Thats alright then =P [21:29] mwnn: perhaps a hal policy might do what you want: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/how-disable-usb-port-692836/ [21:29] trhodes: Thanks for the reply [21:43] how bout a little respect? it won a prize at pwn2own [21:53] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:54] s0ttle (~mike@99-179-121-193.lightspeed.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [21:58] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] greetings and salutations [21:59] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:37] hi do you support slax linux here [22:37] i am having problems and teh slax channel is never used much [22:38] my problem with slax is trying to compile printer drivers [22:38] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:38] *punt* [22:39] any good reason for slax ? (no, we don't support it) [22:39] its-me-again slax != slackware [22:39] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] bood livecd btw [22:39] good [22:39] It has more x in the name? [22:40] the default slax doesn't even include glib IIRC, so compiling stuff on it can become quite a challenge [22:40] it's a live-cd tuned for usage, not for development [22:41] and IIRC its author abandoned it, so you're pretty on your own unless you join some fork of local relevance [22:41] slax is baised on slackware [22:41] ^ is it ???? [22:42] No, it's not. [22:42] evanton: i have it on usb [22:42] i am needing to get my printer working but slax uses old cups i think [22:42] slax is not based on latest slackware AFAIK [22:42] it still has kde3 [22:43] anyone here know how to use slax [22:43] please leavwe [22:43] i am wanting to get it tp use my printer [22:43] johndee (~id@93-81-142-41.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:43] we'll help if you use slackware instead :) [22:43] pi31415: ay who is to leave [22:43] i need a fully portable os thanks [22:44] its-me-again: you, leave [22:44] slax came from slackware [22:44] there are lots of livecds, you might also want to try another one, maybe you have more luck with your printer stuff [22:44] yeah, knoppix is also decent [22:44] as far as i know. i am just trying to gain help that is all dont be so rude [22:45] evanton: thanks [22:45] bob begat gnargnargnargh begat its me begat its me again and there was weeping and gnashing of teeth [22:45] if you have a normal slackware running, you can try to build a livecd by using the scripts from linux-live.org [22:45] but i am not wanting a live cd linux but a fully portable usb one like slax [22:45] those are the scripts used to build slax [22:45] dude [22:45] evanton: still a live cd is not fully portable ok [22:45] slax is a livecd [22:46] you just also can put it onto an usb stick [22:46] knoppix is living on a usb drive of mine, also is fully portable [22:46] not like slax or pupylinux both of which i am having trouble getting my printer working on. [22:46] if you cant help me with slax related questions(seems strange) then i am going to go [22:46] I'm telling you one more time: slax is officially stalled [22:47] evanton: meaning [22:47] and if you have one problem with it today, expect for more tomorrow [22:47] because nobody takes care to maintain and update it [22:47] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-185.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:47] ok so its dead then [22:47] right evanton [22:47] that deppends [22:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-137.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:47] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:47] usus12jari (1000@114.58.71.203) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [22:48] johndee (~id@93-81-142-41.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:48] depends on who you talk to i guess ay [22:48] ok thanks for your help [22:48] if you are not willing to put some effort into making it do what you want, then considering it dead is fair [22:48] its-me-again (its-me-ag@121.98.187.36) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [22:48] Unless something has changed in the past two weeks, Tomas is still working on Slax. [22:48] tomas pix up the slax [22:49] That doesn't mean we will support it here, though. [22:49] jkwood: is there something like a changelog somewhere? [22:50] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:50] JonnyV (~jonny@2001:5c0:1104:6700:218:deff:fe46:495e) left irc: Quit: hay dos palabras en esta vida que te abrirán muchas puertas..... TIRE Y EMPUJE [22:50] evanton: Not to my knowledge, no, though there is a community forum he checks in on every so often. 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[23:13] apxs comes from httpd [23:13] Yes [23:14] trhodes: thx [23:14] Fate_: atually, I'm not, but I live in Rio :) [23:14] anyone have a tuto or can help me with a vpn using pptpd? [23:15] i tried many tutorials but dont work [23:15] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] niels_horn, spek portuguese? [23:16] niels_horn, speak* [23:16] Fate_: No experience with vpn... [23:16] hum [23:16] Fate_: yes I do... [23:16] ok [23:16] thanks :) [23:18] anyone have a tuto or can help me with a vpn using pptpd? [23:19] hi i only have 1 GB flash drive... [23:19] i wanna load slack to it...and just download the rest as an update [23:19] which file do i need? [23:19] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-41.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:20] echtts_ (~echtts@201-27-185-226.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:20] dvd wont fit on 1GB flash drive [23:20] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-222.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:20] start with CD1 [23:20] i'm on get slack [23:21] none of the link works [23:21] anyone can help me with a vpn using pptpd? [23:21] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [23:21] crashdata: Just get cd1 and then you can get the rest of the packages after the initial CD1 install. [23:21] in canada nvm i'll try us [23:21] it will be CLI but you can do it. [23:21] even a/ can be trimmed down if you know what you're doing [23:22] Fate_ (~fate@201-75-116-26-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [23:23] k...thanks [23:23] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:23] echtts (~echtts@189-18-90-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:24] mwnn (~user@59.92.135.41) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:25] can someone give me the link for cd 1 [23:25] i swear i checked so many mirrors already [23:25] i cant find it. [23:25] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware-iso/slackware-13.0-iso/ [23:26] found a good mirror finally... [23:26] thanks [23:33] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-222.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:36] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-219.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:37] tds keeps ISOs and is fast. [23:37] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/ [23:38] http://slackware.dreamhost.com is another good one [23:39] cs.utah.edu also is a keeper of the iso's [23:39] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:39] Are you the gate keeper or the key master? [23:39] or are you Zull? [23:39] Nice reference [23:39] ;) [23:40] Motoko-chan: Did you feel the quake at all? [23:40] I felt it up here [23:40] what quake? [23:40] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.129.41) joined ##slackware. [23:40] There was a fairly decent quake in mexicali [23:40] socal shake [23:40] \o [23:40] I felt it up here in Ventura [23:41] I felt it. [23:41] ahhh [23:41] I'm near Ontario. [23:41] ah [23:41] The longer frequency energy makes it up here, we had a decent rolling but the sharp jolts didn't make it up here. [23:41] Indeed [23:43] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:44] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.63.137) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:45] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:49] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-237.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:50] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-219.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:50] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:53] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-231.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:59] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Apr 6 2010