[00:00] <superGear> KDE4 is much better on slackware
[00:00] <deco> superGear: yeah that's why i want to really judge it on slackware
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[00:00] <superGear> i think KDE4 is the worse on ubuntu
[00:00] <missyjane> deco if kde4 is good on ubuntu, its amazing on slackware
[00:00] <deco> yeah it is ,if i would use ubuntu i would just stick gnome
[00:00] <superGear> was good on archlinux and even sabayon/gentoo
[00:01] <missyjane> deco NEVER judge slackware, lest it judges YOU
[00:01] <deco> missyjane: sorry i ment it was aweful on ubuntu :P
[00:01] <superGear> Kubuntu!
[00:01] <superGear> Xubuntu!
[00:01] <superGear> not a big ubuntu fan tho
[00:01] <superGear> it has its place tho
[00:01] <deco> indeed
[00:02] <superGear> helps the windows users migrate to linux
[00:02] <superGear> eventually they may try slackware
[00:02] <deco> my first distro was actually kubuntu, after that i tried every major distro and eventually i settled with slackware ;-)
[00:03] <superGear> i think the 1st distro i tried was SuSE
[00:03] <superGear> I failed at it
[00:03] <deco> :P
[00:03] <superGear> and it didn't like my dialup modem back then
[00:03] <deco> the thing that gave me the most trouble was wireless when i first started
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[00:03] <superGear> this was back in 99ish
[00:03] <deco> superGear:oh you must a long time user :P
[00:04] <missyjane> why was it awful on kubuntu?
[00:04] <superGear> slow
[00:04] <deco> missyjane: feels bloated
[00:04] <missyjane> o
[00:04] Action: superGear is old
[00:04] <deco> hehe
[00:05] <deco> been seriouslly using linux as my main OS for 4 months now
[00:05] <superGear> unlike you youngins
[00:05] <superGear> missyjane is just a child
[00:05] <superGear> so is deco
[00:05] <deco> 21 :P
[00:05] Action: andarius is 5
[00:05] <superGear> s/5/50
[00:06] <andarius> and has been using linux solo since 2k1 or so
[00:06] <superGear> i still use windows
[00:06] <superGear> at times
[00:06] <superGear> mainly for games
[00:06] <deco> i use windows for photoshop
[00:06] <andarius> i am not old enough for games so no worries :)
[00:06] <superGear> use GIMP
[00:06] <deco> but ive been getting good at gimp might switch
[00:07] <deco> yeah
[00:07] <superGear> use windows in a VM
[00:07] <deco> nah but my pc can't handle it too old
[00:07] <superGear> don't need to dual boot just to use Photoshop
[00:07] <superGear> how old?
[00:07] <superGear> speed/ram
[00:07] <deco> 1.6ghz 32mb video card,1.2gb of ram
[00:07] <superGear> ah old
[00:08] <superGear> time to build/buy a new one
[00:08] <superGear> i have a old pc too
[00:08] <missyjane> superGear, ive been using slackware since floppy days but that was with help, and im 22 :)
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[00:08] <superGear> not that old tho
[00:08] <superGear> cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache]
[00:08] <deco> yeah i need a new laptop , i put my guitar on ebay but no one bought it *sigh
[00:09] <deco> to get funds for the new lappy
[00:09] <superGear> sell yourself
[00:09] <deco> nah too cheap
[00:09] <dive> deco, photoshop 7 works with wine, not sure about the cs versions though
[00:09] <deco> dive: too old :P i would just stick to gimp than
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[00:09] <deco> which im planning now
[00:09] <superGear> why is a sourcemage apprentice in here :P
[00:11] <superGear> missyjane, you haven't lived long enough to say life sucks!
[00:11] <deco> superGear: what DE do you use ?
[00:12] <superGear> KDE4
[00:12] <deco> pro:P
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[00:12] <superGear> pro?
[00:13] <superGear> installpkgdoesn't make me a pro
[00:13] <superGear> add a space in there
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[00:13] <deco> sorry it this wireless keyboard ...
[00:14] Action: superGear uses a wired keyboard
[00:14] <superGear> and wired mouse
[00:14] <deco> watch out
[00:14] <Quiznos> finally cooled down enough in sw'ern Florida to open the windows!!!
[00:16] <fire|bird> argh, this vbox usb issue is getting annoying. :P
[00:16] <dive> qmeu it
[00:16] <deco> I've never gotten usb support in vbox :p
[00:16] <fire|bird> dive: that just might work. :)
[00:17] <dive> I always try to use qemu first and if that don't work fall back on vbox
[00:17] <deco> i think i will buy myself a new slackware shirt ;-)
[00:17] <deco> than i will intimidate all the ubuntu users on the street
[00:18] <fire|bird> dive: I had qemu working good before with the aqemu as a frontend.
[00:18] <superGear> vmware
[00:18] <fire|bird> I've never used vmware.
[00:18] <superGear> http://roms-isos.com/slack.png
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[00:23] <dive> http://www.unrealize.co.uk/sshots/flux.png
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[00:23] <dive> calm
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[00:24] <fire|bird> dive: that looks great
[00:25] <dive> I tried xfce today for the first time in ages, but I couldn't put up with it for more than a minute
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[00:25] <dive> need to grab some nice styles
[00:25] <Quiznos> dive heh
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[00:26] <Quiznos> in my ~/.xinitrc, i have a list of wm's separated by ||'s
[00:26] <dive> Quiznos, huh?
[00:26] <Quiznos> i really need a chooser tho
[00:26] Action: andarius uses xfce happily :)
[00:26] <Quiznos> wm's listed so that if one fails another starts
[00:27] <dive> ah
[00:27] <Quiznos> i can kill off one wm and another will start; twm || mwm are the last on the list
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[00:28] <dive> in fact I'm going to look for some styles right now
[00:28] <fire|bird> tenr.de :D
[00:29] <fire|bird> :P, I fail at building kde 4.3
[00:30] <andarius> http://67.191.164.127:34224/~andarius/images/screenshots/desktop-08-05-2009.jpg
[00:30] <andarius> xfce ftw ;)
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[00:31] <fire|bird> andarius: that's a very nice desktop
[00:31] <andarius> thanks
[00:31] <missyjane> going to concentrate and talk to Quiznos bbl :)
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[00:31] <fire|bird> andarius: what theme is that, if I may ask?
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[00:32] <andarius> which theme do you want a name for? the xfce wm theme or the gtk ?
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[00:32] <andarius> the gtk theme is a modified version of Overglossed. modified by me, for the scroll bars
[00:33] <andarius> and the menu
[00:33] <andarius> the xfce wm theme is Ashen II
[00:33] <andarius> No mods there, yet ...
[00:33] <fire|bird> I wanted both, so thanks. :)
[00:34] <andarius> the Overglossed will look a bit different so you know. as I said mine is modified
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[00:40] <fire|bird> gosh darn, I try to build kde 4.3, but it looks for 4.2.4 source, I must have missed something. :P
[00:41] <BP{k}> grep for it!
[00:41] <fire|bird> :P, I did miss something. :D
[00:42] <fire|bird> \o/, there it goes. :)
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[00:42] <fire|bird> y0 Rat409
[00:42] <Rat409> hey fire|bird
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[00:42] <Rat409> brb
[00:43] <fire|bird> Well, that didn't last long, it failed. :P
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[00:46] <Rat409> kde4?
[00:46] <fire|bird> Rat409: yup, trying to build kde 4.3 :)
[00:46] <fire|bird> I think I got it now though.
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[00:46] <Rat409> cool
[00:47] <Rat409> distcc?
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[00:48] <fire|bird> :), it's churning along now. \o/
[00:48] <fire|bird> Rat409: no
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[00:48] <fire|bird> Rat409: it'll probably take a while. :P
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[00:48] <Rat409> i can imagine lol
[00:49] <fire|bird> I hope it'll be done before I go to bed, in about 3 hours 15 minutes, but it probably won't be. :P
[00:49] <Rat409> good guess lol
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[00:49] <fire|bird> I can always start over tomorrow
[00:50] <Rat409> indeed
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[00:52] <fire|bird> hahaha, it's still at 1%.
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[00:56] <Rat409> it'll be a while
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[01:01] <Rat409> fire|bird: if you haven't tried this its pretty slick  http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube
[01:02] <Rat409> stand-alone youtube search/player
[01:04] <superGear> why do you need a youtube player?
[01:04] <superGear> just use your browser
[01:05] <Rat409> why not lol
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[01:07] <superGear> browser and Downloadhelper extension and then use gxine/xine or whatever you like to play them .flvs
[01:07] <Shrp_> mplayer > gxine
[01:07] <Rat409> yuh i know was bored,it was available so i tried it
[01:08] <Shrp_> why do you need to download stuff off of youtube.. it'll more than likely still be their when you next check it
[01:08] <Quiznos> they rm stuff
[01:08] <Quiznos> sometimes to our own damage
[01:08] <superGear> they do remove stuff
[01:08] <Quiznos> stuff that the TPTB want hid
[01:08] <Shrp_> the ones that end with copyright infringement crap
[01:08] <Quiznos> not only those
[01:09] <Shrp_> but you can view that stuff elsewhere easily :)
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[01:09] <superGear> maybe i wanna play them on other devices
[01:09] <Shrp_> porn on the go
[01:09] <superGear> youtube doesn't have porn
[01:09] <antiwire> porn from youtube?
[01:09] <Quiznos> yea they do
[01:09] <superGear> real porn
[01:10] <superGear> real porn doesn't last
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[01:11] <superGear> Operating System: Unsupported Windows 6.1 (Build #7600)
[01:11] <superGear> :O
[01:11] <Quiznos> lol
[01:11] <superGear> i felt like playing GTA IV
[01:11] <superGear> can't play that on linux
[01:11] <Shrp_> not yet
[01:12] <superGear> not for a long while
[01:12] <superGear> also wanted to play RE4
[01:12] <superGear> Wine don't like it  as well :|
[01:12] <Shrp_> are you using the newest build
[01:13] <superGear> 1.1.26
[01:13] <superGear> or whatever
[01:13] <Shrp_> 1.1.22 here
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[01:22] <antiwire> http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_of_our_own_decisions.html
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[01:22] <dive> xfce: http://omploader.org/vMjNscA
[01:23] Nick change: icarus_ -> icarus_ASLEEP
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[01:25] <dive> Hmm I think the bg is meant to be widescreen
[01:26] <superGear> http://roms-isos.com/7.png
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[01:28] <dive> busy desktop there
[01:28] <superGear> busy?
[01:28] <dive> It's funny how using windows seems to need hat you put icons and stuff on the desktop
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[01:28] <dive> yeah I mean a lot going on
[01:29] <quasar> crowded
[01:29] <dive> lost of icons and stuff
[01:29] <superGear> yeah i have no icons on the desktop on slack
[01:29] <superGear> cause windows apps puts them there
[01:29] <superGear> i don't bother to remove them
[01:29] <Kumool> hell i dont even have a working gtk-icon-theme
[01:29] <Kumool> :)
[01:30] <superGear> i dunno why firefox puts itself twice on the desktop
[01:30] <Quiznos> stuttering
[01:31] <Kumool> pcmanfm desktop handling imitates windows very well on that part, you get lots of .desktop on ur desktop and worse you cant even align them so its all crowded, gives one that windows *feel*
[01:32] <dive> I kept that feature off
[01:32] <dive> hate crap on desktop
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[01:32] <Quiznos> but you can do this for yourself too
[01:32] <Quiznos> oops
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[01:33] <Kumool> yeah me too, but mostly because i dont like a pcmanfm daemon running
[01:34] <fire|bird> dive: qemu is now installed. :D
[01:34] <dive> niceeeee
[01:34] <dive> did you get kqemu too?
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[01:34] <dive> you will want it
[01:35] <fire|bird> dive: no, that's the kernel module right?
[01:35] <dive> yeah, it improves speed a lot
[01:35] <fire|bird> don't you have to have support for that first?
[01:35] <dive> nope
[01:35] <antiwire> i just put 10.2 into a KVM
[01:35] <fire|bird> because I tried and it didn't work
[01:35] <antiwire> I've seen a few people asking about 10.2 lately so I figured what the hell
[01:35] <dive> all you do is modprobe it and set up permisions on /dev/kqemu
[01:36] <fire|bird> dive: Hmm, ok, I'll have to try again with it then.
[01:36] <dive> or run qemu as root
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[01:36] <antiwire> fire|bird: gleam all this is wonderful http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:qemu
[01:36] <antiwire> that*
[01:36] <dive> fire|bird, there were some version conflicts in the past between qemu and kqemu. But we ballanced these versions so they _should_ work
[01:37] <antiwire> there is a section in alienBOB's wikie about the perms and pretty much, everything else
[01:37] <antiwire> I used it for reference when I setup my KVM stuff
[01:38] <fire|bird> KVM, that needs support right? maybe that's what I was thinking of.
[01:38] <antiwire> fire|bird: KVM needs the cpu flags but kqemu doesn't
[01:38] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, checking out the link now, thanks.
[01:38] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, then it's KVM I don't have support for.
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[01:40] <fire|bird> Hmm, I KNOW I had a package built (for current) of kqemu, but I can't find the darn thing.
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[01:41] <fire|bird> dive: Why was it that qemu (with sbopkg) was building x86_64 stuff and what not? this desktop isn't 64bit at all.
[01:41] <antiwire> it doesn't matter, that's just the name of the bin
[01:42] <antiwire> /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64
[01:42] <fire|bird> ah, ok
[01:42] <antiwire> I'm on a 32bit only cpu
[01:42] <fire|bird> Well, I think the kde 4.3 build is a lost cause tonight, it's still just on kdelibs. :/
[01:43] <fire|bird> There, stopped it, it'll never get done tonight.
[01:44] <Shrp_> btw fire|bird
[01:44] <Shrp_> go check out Crue Fest 2 if it comes near your town
[01:44] <Shrp_> show kicked ass :D
[01:44] <fire|bird> dive, antiwire, do you guys use a frontend gui to qemu or just the qemu cli?
[01:44] <fire|bird> Shrp_: ok, thanks. :)
[01:44] <antiwire> cli
[01:44] <dive> cli
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[01:45] <antiwire> i just write scripts to fire off each VM
[01:45] <fire|bird> ok :)
[01:45] <dive> I use aliases
[01:45] Action: fire|bird needs to learn the cli qemu. :P
[01:45] <fire|bird> ok, kqemu is installed.
[01:46] <fire|bird> I had used aqemu front end before with qemu, it was nice.
[01:47] <fire|bird> alright, modprobed kqemu :D
[01:49] <fire|bird> This is what clonezilla made, think it can be used with qemu: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Jqe74Q13.html
[01:50] <antiwire> good lord
[01:50] <antiwire> why not just a plain old binary image?
[01:51] <fire|bird> antiwire: I wasn't thinking. :( I just thought of clonezilla and used it, aside from all the crap it created, it worked well. :P
[01:51] <fire|bird> antiwire: I should have remembered, dd is my friend. :P
[01:52] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, looking at that link, if I use dd if=/dev/zero of=winxp.img bs=1k count=0 seek=4000000, the of part creates winxp.img in the cwd?
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[01:52] <missyjane> ok
[01:52] <fire|bird> wb missyjane
[01:52] <missyjane> ty fire|bird :D
[01:52] <antiwire> I don't even know what to do with all those clonezilla files. I'm old school and use dd
[01:53] <fire|bird> antiwire: yeah, I should have as well. :/ I FAIL.
[01:53] <fire|bird> antiwire: It's about 20G, how long would that take to do with dd?
[01:54] <antiwire> depending on the system, 25-60 minutes max
[01:54] <antiwire> 60 min would be worst case
[01:54] <fire|bird> Well, clonezilla took close to 2 hours. :/
[01:54] <fire|bird> on the laptop
[01:55] <antiwire> was that over USB?
[01:55] <fire|bird> yeah
[01:55] <antiwire> that's why
[01:55] <fire|bird> it was over usb to an external hdd
[01:55] <antiwire> yeah that's why it took 2 hours
[01:56] <antiwire> if you had been able to go ata to ata on two channels it would have taken a fraction of that time
[01:56] <fire|bird> So, if I were to use dd to the external hdd, it'd be dd if /dev/blah of=/mountpoint_here/winxp.bin?
[01:56] <Rat409> doesn't dd copy empty space tho?
[01:56] <antiwire> yes
[01:57] <Quiznos> mmm ice cream commercia;
[01:57] <Quiznos> *l
[01:57] <antiwire> that is the whole point of it though. tools like mdadm will treat dd images as a disk
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[01:57] <antiwire> same for qemu
[01:57] <Rat409> yuh
[01:57] <fire|bird> antiwire: so that would be the right command I'd use then?
[01:57] <Quiznos> i have usb-hd; the only annoying part is waking it up from sleep
[01:58] <Quiznos> 10sec
[01:58] <Quiznos> discontinued stock from Target store
[01:58] <antiwire> fire|bird: this "dd if=/dev/zero of=winxp.img bs=1k count=0 seek=4000000" would great a 4GB disk image that is empty
[01:58] <antiwire> that's sane
[01:58] <antiwire> empty as in, it won't take up 4GB of actual disk space
[01:59] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, and what about making a new image of this hdd of the laptop: dd if /dev/blah of=/mountpoint_here/winxp.bin <---that right?
[01:59] <antiwire> it will be able to take up to 4GB but won't immediately eat 4GB of actual disk space
[01:59] <antiwire> dd if=/dev/blah_with_no_partition_number of=/mountpoint_here/winxp.bin
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[02:00] <fire|bird> antiwire: awesome, thank you.
[02:00] <antiwire> np
[02:00] <fire|bird> looking at that qemu link, it's not as hard as I thought it'd be.
[02:00] <fire|bird> good bye VBox. :D
[02:00] <antiwire> nope, alienBOB's write up is great
[02:00] <antiwire> and the qemu documents on the site are a good supplement
[02:00] <fire|bird> indeed it is, he's done some amazing work and write ups
[02:01] <Rat409> yup
[02:01] <fire|bird> antiwire: and, with qemu, there's no ton of crap to go through to get usb. :P
[02:01] <antiwire> yep
[02:01] <antiwire> I swap USB devices from the host to guest on the fly
[02:01] <antiwire> the qemu console is good
[02:02] <fire|bird> antiwire: with that 4000000, what would I use for a, say 25 or 30G file? 30000000? :P
[02:02] <antiwire> I've also got bridged networking totally working
[02:02] <antiwire> you see how bs=1k? that's block size
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[02:02] <antiwire> 1k=1024
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[02:03] <antiwire> 4000000/1024=3,906.25MB
[02:03] <antiwire> aka 4GB
[02:03] <fire|bird> brb
[02:04] <antiwire> so 30GB would be bs=1k seek=30000000
[02:04] <Quiznos> or, bs=1G, seek=30
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[02:05] <antiwire> you want to keep the bs sane
[02:05] <antiwire> remember, this becomes a virtual hard disk.
[02:05] <Quiznos> want ice cream with that wine? :)
[02:05] <Quiznos> lol
[02:05] <antiwire> excuse me?
[02:05] <antiwire> do you even understand what a 1G block size would do?
[02:05] <Quiznos> yes I do.
[02:06] <antiwire> Then why do you say I'm whining?
[02:06] <Quiznos> i dint say "whining"
[02:06] <antiwire> You know that I am quite capable of understanding what you meant.
[02:06] <dive> fire|bird, I was afk a bit, but why aren't you using qemu-img to make the disc image?
[02:06] <Quiznos> sure
[02:07] <dive> fire|bird, something like 'qemu-img create winxp.img 5GB' or whatever
[02:08] <Motoko-chan> Hello all
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[02:08] <agris> so, if I qemu winxp on linux box, then I should be able to use all usb devices connected to box wether it's usb tv or usb vodafone modem?
[02:08] <Motoko-chan> So, I fixed the screen blank issue I was talking about last night.
[02:09] <antiwire> agris: only as long as the host system does not bind the device to it's own driver
[02:09] <hiptobecubic> Is everyone home from work? Can anyone tell me if htop segfaults for them when pressing <F6> in 64-current?
[02:09] <antiwire> agris: the host must not load a driver for the USB device that you wish to expose to the guest
[02:09] <Quiznos> 32bit here
[02:09] <agris> hm, have to try then :)
[02:09] <agris> thanks
[02:10] <Fenix-Dark> i'm very anxiously awaiting 13.0 64-bit
[02:10] <Motoko-chan> Turned out to be my screensaver.
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[02:10] <Fenix-Dark> any idea whether or not it'll run kde 4.3?
[02:10] <dive> Motoko-chan, ?
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[02:10] <BP{k}> Fenix-Dark: most likely not.
[02:10] <antiwire> Fenix-Dark: certainly will not
[02:10] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, haven't tried 32 bit recently. Do you have htop installed?
[02:10] <Quiznos> lemme see
[02:10] <Fenix-Dark> BP{k}, what about /testing?
[02:10] <Quiznos> hiptobecubic nop; should i try?
[02:11] <Quiznos> wazit?
[02:11] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, it's like top but it's useful
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[02:11] <Quiznos> ok; lemme...
[02:11] <BP{k}> Fenix-Dark: hm no idea, doubtful.
[02:11] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, i'd recommend it even if it weren't just for this bugtest
[02:11] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, it's on sbo
[02:11] <mancha> top is useful
[02:11] <Quiznos> slackpjg doesnt now it
[02:12] <antiwire> umm
[02:12] <hiptobecubic> sbopkg
[02:12] <antiwire> slackpkg works off of official mirrors.
[02:12] <hiptobecubic> or slackbuilds.org
[02:12] <Quiznos> updating
[02:12] <antiwire> htop isn't part of slackware...
[02:13] <Quiznos> hmm slackpkg isnt finding
[02:13] <antiwire> you can update slackpkg all you want
[02:13] <antiwire> good lord.
[02:13] <Quiznos> ok; where's a binpkg?
[02:13] <hiptobecubic> binpkg?
[02:13] <dive> wow psychodelic top :-)
[02:13] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, what you need is either sbopkg or to go get the slackbuild from slackbuilds.org
[02:13] <dive> hiptobecubic, it segs in 32 bit too
[02:13] <Quiznos> nods
[02:14] <hiptobecubic> dive, well that sucks.
[02:14] <hiptobecubic> dive, it certainly used to work
[02:14] <dive> Quiznos, sbopkg.org
[02:14] <hiptobecubic> maybe a month or two ago
[02:14] <Motoko-chan> dive, I'm not going to repeat my problems again tonight. Sorry.
[02:14] <dive> have you straced it or anything? gdb?
[02:14] <Quiznos> dive ty
[02:14] <Motoko-chan> I'm sure someone has logs if you are curious.
[02:14] <Quiznos> dive i'll pick it up from that other site :)
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[02:15] <hiptobecubic> dive, i'm not very good at it but what I saw pointed to libc i think
[02:15] <hiptobecubic> hold on
[02:15] <Quiznos> ok got pkg
[02:15] <Rat409> what htop version?
[02:15] <hiptobecubic> 0.8.2
[02:15] <Quiznos> ok running; now what?
[02:16] <hiptobecubic> search for htop
[02:16] <antiwire> htop 0.8.2 aborted. Please report bug at http://htop.sf.net
[02:16] <Rat409> oh o.8.1 here works fine,32bit
[02:16] <Quiznos> hiptobecubic running; now what?
[02:16] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, search for htop and build/install it
[02:16] <Quiznos> ITs running!
[02:16] <hiptobecubic> oh
[02:16] <Quiznos> arg1's pkg
[02:16] <hiptobecubic> IT == htop?
[02:16] <Quiznos> oops arf1's
[02:17] <Quiznos> yea
[02:17] <Rat409> F6=sort order
[02:17] <hiptobecubic> push <F6>
[02:17] <Quiznos> v0.5.2
[02:17] <antiwire> ...
[02:17] <BP{k}> there is a bug in 0.8.2.
[02:17] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, ..... that's a bit old
[02:17] <Quiznos> sorted fine
[02:17] <hiptobecubic> you're in 12.2?
[02:17] <BP{k}> use 0.8.3
[02:17] <Quiznos> 2.6.24.5
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[02:17] <Quiznos> Linux Ananias 2.6.24.5 #2 Wed Apr 30 14:13:52 CDT 2008 i686 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor LE-1250 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
[02:17] <antiwire> Quiznos likesot just go out and find random package to install
[02:17] <Quiznos> 12.1
[02:17] <Quiznos> mostly
[02:17] <dive> hiptobecubic, yes 12.2
[02:18] <BP{k}> Quiznos: what is the full package name? (just curious where you found it)
[02:18] <Quiznos> /tmp/htop-0.5.2-i486-1arf.tgz
[02:18] <dive> which would likely be lp or slacky
[02:18] <Quiznos> on linuxPackages.net
[02:19] <BP{k}> HAHAHAHA
[02:19] <Rat409> i bet lp
[02:19] <missyjane> dive, because he can create it with a notepad and a pen
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[02:19] <Rat409> knew it
[02:19] <missyjane> hes THAT good
[02:19] <fire|bird> back
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[02:19] <Quiznos> ok; what would you like now for me to do to assist in this endeavour?
[02:19] <dive> fire|bird, I was afk a bit, but why aren't you using qemu-img to make the disc image?
[02:19] <dive> fire|bird, something like 'qemu-img create winxp.img 5GB' or whatever
[02:19] <BP{k}> Quiznos: you really shouldn't use lp.net
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[02:19] <missyjane> goddamnt im late
[02:19] <quasar> for a very important date !
[02:19] <quasar> no time to say goodbye, hello! I'm late I'm late I'm late!
[02:19] <Quiznos> BP{k} i was told of the room's opinion today; i'll evaluate it.
[02:20] <dive> missyjane, are you a white rabbit by any chance?
[02:20] Action: missyjane purrssss like a pussy cat
[02:20] <missyjane> meooow
[02:20] <fire|bird> dive: Well, this image I'm trying to make is of the laptop hdd, therefore no qemu on it.
[02:20] <dive> you obviously haven't read alice in wonderland then?
[02:20] <Quiznos> that's no wabit
[02:20] <antiwire> 0.8.3 confirmed ok on 32bit current , as BP{k} said
[02:20] <BP{k}> Quiznos: basically what you do is grep the slackbuild from SBo, sed it so it uses 0.8.3 and compile it.
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[02:20] <dive> fire|bird, ah
[02:20] <Quiznos> BP{k} ok
[02:21] <missyjane> dive i haev
[02:21] <quasar> I think she was saying she's Cheshire cat
[02:21] <BP{k}> antiwire: of course. ;) oh and no need to email the maintainer about it, he only gets pissy
[02:21] <antiwire> lol
[02:21] <dive> cheshire cat doesn't purrm it grins
[02:21] <missyjane> shut up
[02:21] <missyjane> i grin when i feel like it
[02:21] <dive> k
[02:22] <antiwire> sudo shutup
[02:22] <antiwire> get it right
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[02:22] <missyjane> lol
[02:22] <Quiznos> hip any particular flags to conf with on htop?
[02:22] <antiwire> looks like dive has a privilege escalation bug
[02:23] <fire|bird> dive: better get that bug fixed. :)
[02:23] <antiwire> Quiznos: use the slackbuild...
[02:23] <Quiznos> ok
[02:23] <antiwire> don't spray shit all over
[02:24] <antiwire> make install is like using kraylon aerosol cans to pain a model airplane
[02:24] <dchmelik> me wonders what 'Motoko' is
[02:24] <antiwire> paint*
[02:24] <fire|bird> antiwire: dd is in progress. :D
[02:25] <Quiznos> runnin
[02:25] <antiwire> Quiznos: I hope you own a franchise.
[02:25] <antiwire> or get paid to advertise
[02:25] <Quiznos> nah; not yet
[02:25] <Quiznos> heh nop
[02:25] <Quiznos> not even a patron
[02:26] <antiwire> so if you don't get paid to advertise and don't own a franchise and rock that name you = tool?
[02:26] Action: fire|bird wonders why he never started using qemu a long time ago.
[02:26] <Quiznos> i'm not advertising, so i dont request nor require renumeration.
[02:26] <antiwire> fire|bird: I do stuff in VMs that I wouldn't dream of doing on my day to day system
[02:27] <hiptobecubic> 0.8.3 works in 64-current as well. thanks for the heads up BP{k}
[02:27] <fire|bird> antiwire: cool.
[02:27] <dive> hiptobecubic, 0.8.3 works fine. I emailed a rather stern mail to the maintainer whoever that is.
[02:27] <antiwire> lmao
[02:27] <BP{k}> lol
[02:27] <dive> :-)
[02:28] <Quiznos> pkg built
[02:28] <fire|bird> antiwire: I plan to get this hdd image onto this external drive, get it onto my slack box here, then get it into qemu to be able to use it, then put slack64 on the laptop.
[02:28] <Quiznos> hiptobecubic 0.8.2 running; testing
[02:28] Action: hiptobecubic facepalms.
[02:28] <Quiznos> now what's the test?
[02:28] Action: dive headdesks
[02:28] <antiwire> fire|bird: just keep the disk or at least a backup of the windows partition around. windows can be freaky when it comes to changing the hardware as the windows HAL can flip out
[02:29] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, open it and push <F6>. then uninstall it and install 0.8.3 like we were talking about.
[02:29] <missyjane> does nayone here play games on slackware? ifso is there a way to make it run faster?
[02:29] <Quiznos> oo heh;
[02:29] <hiptobecubic> missyjane, go buy a real computer.
[02:29] <fire|bird> antiwire: yeah, that's why I'm going to test it out too before I just blow it all away.
[02:29] <quasar> missyjane: blackbox owns you.
[02:29] <dive> missyjane, yes Unreal Tournament. Turn the graphics down if games run slow.
[02:29] <missyjane> quasar, i is confused, blackbox?
[02:30] <Quiznos> ok sorted on all presented fields; all ran normally
[02:30] <missyjane> hiptobecubic, im on a quad core
[02:30] <antiwire> openarena and Q3 run great on my system
[02:30] <mancha> on slackware you can run upgradehw --quad-cpu --latest-vid
[02:30] <Quiznos> getting next version
[02:30] <quasar> it's a game in KDE lol
[02:30] <dchmelik> t-o-m-e is cool
[02:30] <missyjane> o
[02:30] <Quiznos> howto uninstal?
[02:30] <BP{k}> .....
[02:30] <Quiznos> nm
[02:30] <hiptobecubic> missyjane, cpu does not really matter. You need a good video card.
[02:30] <antiwire> Quiznos: seriously homey....you need help
[02:30] <Quiznos> neural prob
[02:30] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, go read the slackbook i think.
[02:30] <Quiznos> yea well sanity is not a requisite to use linux :)
[02:30] <BP{k}> Quiznos: go read the bloody slackbook
[02:30] <fire|bird> neural prob? that a self diagnosis? :P
[02:30] <dive> mancha, that's slackpkg --quad-cpu --latest-vid --slackware13already
[02:31] <Quiznos> i know how; momnetary neural prob
[02:31] <superGear> missyjane has a Geforce 295 SLI
[02:31] <mancha> dive, hah
[02:31] <Quiznos> lol
[02:31] <Quiznos> hey, it happens to everyone!
[02:31] <dive> hiptobecubic, I hate to say it but cpu _does_ matter in games (at least those based on the Unreal engine)
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[02:31] <antiwire> My laptop has an nvidia quadro nvs110 and 2GB of ram with a 1.83ghz core duo and it runs openarena like it was pacman
[02:31] <superGear> cpu matters for games
[02:32] <superGear> but GPU matters more
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[02:32] <fire|bird> antiwire: bah, I got a file to large error. :P
[02:32] <Quiznos> fire|bird tyvm
[02:32] <hiptobecubic> dive, what i meant was as long as you are running a video card that's good enough, you're already running a cpu that's good enough.
[02:32] <antiwire> fire|bird: what FS is are you imaging to?
[02:32] <missyjane> hiptobecubic, i do have a good video card, one of the best too superGear how do you know?
[02:32] <Quiznos> fire|bird yea, it is.  call me donQuixote :)  i am tilted
[02:33] <superGear> i h4x0r joo, missyjane
[02:33] <superGear> i kid
[02:33] <fire|bird> antiwire: Oh, thanks for mentioning that, it's fat32 so there's a 4G limit, which is where it capped out at.
[02:33] <superGear> i was joking actually
[02:33] <hiptobecubic> missyjane, what are you playing?
[02:33] <antiwire> fire|bird: doh that's why
[02:33] <dive> hiptobecubic, well hmmm dunno really, depends on the system - who built/bought it for why and wherefore art vow romeo my romeo
[02:33] <superGear> but i image you are rich, missyjane
[02:33] <fire|bird> antiwire: :P, this just isn't going well. What would be a command to run a clonezilla live cd in qemu to restore it's image from there?
[02:34] <dive> sorry I just came over all poetic then
[02:34] <antiwire> i have no idea of what a clonezilla image and all of those files consist of
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[02:34] <fire|bird> dive: you should publish that.
[02:34] <Quiznos> 0.8.3 runs, all sorts tried, no faults.
[02:34] <hiptobecubic> This is a nice screenshot http://htop.sourceforge.net/128.png
[02:34] <dive> I should change vow to thou
[02:34] <antiwire> fire|bird: you might look for a way to turn that clonezilla madness back into a binary image
[02:34] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, good work
[02:34] <missyjane> hiptobecubic, guild wars superGear why do you imagine im rich?
[02:35] <fire|bird> antiwire: yeah, but I want to use qemu to run the clonezilla live cd, like I would in vbox, how can I do that?
[02:35] <Quiznos> ty; yw
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[02:35] <antiwire> oh the live C
[02:35] Action: fire|bird nods
[02:35] <superGear> missyjane, cause you use slackware!
[02:35] <antiwire> fire|bird: just boot the cd image as the boot disk
[02:35] <superGear> you need a geforce 295 SLI for Guild Wars?
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[02:36] <antiwire> fire|bird: -boot d -cdrom /whatever.iso
[02:36] <antiwire> or aim it at the /dev/XXX device
[02:36] <fire|bird> ok, thanks.
[02:36] <missyjane> superGear, lol uh you said that
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[02:37] <fire|bird> antiwire: holy speed batman, that blows vbox out of the water.
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[02:39] <antiwire> lol
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[02:40] <dive> thought it might
[02:40] <fire|bird> I can't believe I haven't been using this gem all along.
[02:41] <hiptobecubic> fire|bird, what? qemu?
[02:41] <adeodatus> Which command  I need to run to delete the cache?
[02:41] <dive> which cache?
[02:42] <adeodatus> tmp
[02:42] <dive> you want to delete everything in /tmp?
[02:42] <adeodatus> yes
[02:42] Action: quasar scratches his head
[02:42] <dive> command for delete is 'rm'
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[02:43] <dive> but don't delete the /tmp directory itself
[02:43] <fire|bird> hiptobecubic: yeah
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[02:44] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
[02:44] <adeodatus> I don't want to empty /tmp
[02:44] <dive> adeodatus, 'man rm' will tell you the options
[02:44] <dive> then what _do_ you want to do?
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[02:46] <slackytude> morning
[02:46] <slackytude> y0 fire|bird , dive
[02:46] <missyjane> morning slackytude
[02:46] <dive> hi slackytude
[02:46] <missyjane> oh you dont say hi to me
[02:46] <fire|bird> brb
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[02:47] <slackytude> missyjane: didnt see ya, good morning to you :D
[02:47] <hiptobecubic> In the middle of the night, I really appreciate cable's shared-bandwidth model
[02:47] <missyjane> lol
[02:48] <dive> slackytude, how can you not see missyjane? She's standing over there ->
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[02:48] <slackytude> she was behind your fat ass, dive
[02:48] <dive> lol
[02:48] <dive> 3>
[02:48] <dive> erm <3
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[02:49] <missyjane> lol :x
[02:49] <dive> peace out man
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[02:50] <dive> So, if you wget something, did you wgot it or wgetted it? Just something I've been wondering...
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[02:50] <hiptobecubic> Why did /etc/slackpkg/mirrors drop slackware.cs.utah.edu ? It's awesome and fast as hell
[02:51] <hiptobecubic> dive, wgetted
[02:51] <missyjane> wgot it
[02:51] <missyjane> xD
[02:51] <i_is_cat> wget'd
[02:51] <hiptobecubic> or wget'd is probably better, but you certainly can't change the name to wgot
[02:51] <i_is_cat> i smart
[02:52] <missyjane> lol :x i is car too
[02:52] <i_is_cat> vroom vroom
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[02:54] <Thom1> hi people
[02:54] <slackytude> hi
[02:54] <dive> Hi Thom1
[02:54] <antiwire> this is important http://www.wildbiology.com/research/Honey_bees_on_cocaine_dance_more_changing_ideas_about_the_insect_brain.asp
[02:54] <slackytude> i_is_cat: you big smart?
[02:54] <adeodatus> I wonder if on slackware  is a program like Ccleaner?
[02:54] <i_is_cat> maybe whats it to ya?! :P
[02:55] <quasar> adeodatus: as far as I can tell, slackware doesn't suffer from the same issues that windows does.. which makes CCleaner kinda pointless..
[02:55] <antiwire> adeodatus: you're approaching this using a very peculiar path
[02:55] <dive> oh great. Must be nice being getting paid to get bees high on coke and study them. I wonder if any of that coke er went astray?
[02:56] <antiwire> first off, linux is not windows. And second, what, exactly, are you trying to fix?
[02:56] <antiwire> i have way too many comas in there
[02:56] <antiwire> commas
[02:56] <antiwire> forget it.
[02:56] <dive> adeodatus, do you mean Firefox cache by, any, chance?
[02:57] <adeodatus> I try to clean up my system from crap files.
[02:57] <slackytude> what does ccleaner do?
[02:57] <antiwire> do yourself a favor and stay away from /lib and /usr/lib
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[02:57] <quasar> adeodatus: can you give us an example of a "crap file" ?
[02:58] <Quiznos> i like to play in /lib
[02:58] <Quiznos> heh
[02:58] <dive> well there will be temp files in /tmp and you can delete firefox cache from inside the program itself.
[02:58] <dive> and that's about all
[02:58] <Quiznos> i like to upgrade libs without rebooting or using *.new files
[02:58] <Quiznos> i like new libs and i cannot lie
[02:59] <antiwire> you can clear /tmp, you can remove old logs in /var/log, clear any temp files in ~
[02:59] <adeodatus> I've installed qt4 for virtualbox.
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[03:00] <adeodatus> How to clear /tmp?
[03:00] <antiwire> adeodatus: are you in kde?
[03:00] <adeodatus> yes
[03:00] <slackytude> adeodatus: rm -rf /mp/*
[03:00] <slackytude> adeodatus: rm -rf /tmp/*
[03:01] <dive> but quit kde first
[03:01] <antiwire> it won't ruin anything to clear /tmp while kde is running but there are some kde related pipes in there
[03:01] <adeodatus> thanks, I'll try.
[03:02] <Rat409>  be well ya'll peace over n out
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[03:02] <fire|bird> slackytude: how goes?
[03:05] <slackytude> fire|bird: oh alrite, I come to gripes with this place. how about you?
[03:05] <slackytude> fire|bird: did you get working bz2 yesterday?
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[03:06] <fire|bird> slackytude: doing excellent thanks. yeah, redownloaded the source and all is well, and got laptop working.
[03:07] <slackytude> fire|bird: with a loop or find?
[03:07] <slackytude> :P
[03:07] <fire|bird> loop
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[03:07] <fire|bird> antiwire: Do I need to pass any options to use usb at all?
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[03:09] <antiwire> -usb
[03:09] <fire|bird> :P, k, thanks.
[03:09] <antiwire> that should be all. then use the qemu console to "plug" a device by ID
[03:09] <antiwire> OR
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[03:12] <antiwire> you can use -usb -usbdevice host:<VendorID>:<ProductID>
[03:12] <antiwire> and you get the ID numbers from the host OS lsusb
[03:12] <antiwire> so in this case Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0483:2016 SGS Thomson Microelectronics Fingerprint Reader
[03:12] <fire|bird> ok
[03:13] <antiwire> i want to give my guest access to my fingerprint reader, i make sure the host has not drivers loaded for the reader and: -usb -usbdevice host:0483:2016
[03:14] <antiwire> if you just use -usb you switch to the qemu console after the guest boots and use the usb_add command
[03:14] <fire|bird> so in qemu, lets say I want to use clonezilla to put this image into a winxp.img, do I specify winxp.img or what's qemu's naming conventions for the virtual drives it makes?
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[03:15] <antiwire> I don't know how that would work.
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[03:15] <fire|bird> me either
[03:15] <antiwire> if you started qemu by telling it the winxp.img was a disk, that's the only hard disk qemu would know about
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[03:16] <antiwire> you can use samba between the host and quest though
[03:16] <antiwire> guest*
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[03:16] Nick change: adupuis -> Arno[Slack]`Work
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[03:17] <fire|bird> ok, that might be what I want, first I have to create a winxp.img (telling it wimxp.img was a disk). How can I create a winxp.img that can grow to about 35G? I know I asked earlier and you were explaining it to me, but then I had to step afk for a bit.
[03:17] <antiwire> along with alienBOB's write up, this is helpful too http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU
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[03:18] <antiwire> (2009-08-04 23:02:45) antiwire: you see how bs=1k? that's block size; 1k=1024 so 4000000/1024=3,906.25MB (aka 4GB) and 30GB would be bs=1k seek=30000000
[03:19] <fire|bird> ah, ok, thanks.
[03:21] <fire|bird> sweet, that's awesome.
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[03:24] <fire|bird> what does -boot d do? do I need that for when I tell it to use a .img as a drive?
[03:25] <fire|bird> nvm
[03:25] <antiwire> -boot d means boot off the specified cd/dvd and -boot c means boot off the specified hard disk image
[03:25] <fire|bird> ok, thanks.
[03:26] <fire|bird> bah, permission denied for the usb device. :P
[03:27] <antiwire> yes, i fix my fstab for this
[03:27] <antiwire> one sec
[03:27] <fire|bird> heh, kqemu wasn't working either yet I guess. I followed the instructions in that link, but oh, whoops, I guess I maybe need to reload the module.
[03:27] <fire|bird> ok
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[03:28] <antiwire> none            /proc/bus/usb   usbfs           defaults,devgid=218,devmode=0777        0   0  (where gid is a group that your user is a member of)
[03:29] <antiwire> that will give the user's of say the USB group, access to the usb bus
[03:29] <fire|bird> ok, and devgid is that of the usb group?
[03:29] <fire|bird> the 218
[03:29] <antiwire> yes
[03:29] <fire|bird> ok
[03:29] <antiwire> but
[03:29] <antiwire> you can make it anything
[03:30] <fire|bird> ok, but in this case, usb makes the most sense.
[03:30] <antiwire> that was just an example, basically, I make a group KVM and make that the same group
[03:30] <antiwire> so then i add users to the kvm group and they get access to /dev/kvm and usb
[03:31] <fire|bird> ok, so I can just make a usb group and make it 218 and add my user to that group and put that line in fstab?
[03:32] <antiwire> yep
[03:32] <fire|bird> ok
[03:32] <antiwire> make sure you don't have a 218 gid yet
[03:32] Action: fire|bird looks up how to make a group
[03:32] <antiwire> just make it whatever is next
[03:32] <fire|bird> yeah, for me that's 204
[03:32] <fire|bird> the next available
[03:33] <antiwire> later on, when you create a udev rule for kqemu, you'll need to add a kqemu group and make sure your user is a member of that too
[03:33] <fire|bird> already did that
[03:33] <antiwire> in my case, I just use the kvm group id for my usb bus ID so i get both at once
[03:34] <antiwire> splitting it up is probably better thought
[03:34] <antiwire> though
[03:34] <fire|bird> alright, usb group made and I'm in it. On to fstab
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[03:35] <dchmelik> where is the slack shack?
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[03:35] <fire|bird> dchmelik: exit 110 of Interstate 90 :)
[03:35] <fire|bird> off
[03:36] <dchmelik> that sounds near me
[03:36] <dchmelik> in WA state
[03:36] <dchmelik> wait maybe not
[03:36] <fire|bird> won't have far to go then.
[03:37] <fire|bird> well, bbl.
[03:37] <fire|bird> antiwire: Thanks for all your time, patience, and help.
[03:37] <antiwire> np
[03:37] <Quiznos> gn fire|bird
[03:37] <antiwire> it's going to be worth it
[03:37] <dchmelik> is that place something like Pat's secret research lab?
[03:37] <fire|bird> dchmelik: it's like area 51 only for slackware. :)
[03:37] <Quiznos> heh
[03:37] <dchmelik> I seeee....
[03:38] <antiwire> dchmelik: it's in a hollowed out volcano on a remote pacific island
[03:38] <dchmelik> this sounds sinister
[03:40] <slackytude> antiwire: thanks for all the fish
[03:40] <Quiznos> volcanoes cant be hollowed out
[03:40] <antiwire> lol
[03:40] <Quiznos> use a mountain
[03:40] <dchmelik> most volcanoes are dead
[03:40] <Quiznos> shear the top off, dig out the top underneath, and get under and pull overhead.
[03:41] <slackytude> lies! I saw a hollowed out volcano in James Bond
[03:41] <Quiznos> would you want to chance a volcanoe becoming active?
[03:41] <Quiznos> yea yea sure sure.
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[03:42] <antiwire> I've had probably 4 glasses of whiskey and I think I smell like whiskey now
[03:42] <antiwire> it's coming out of my skin
[03:43] <slackytude> great for work!
[03:43] <slackytude> and the chicks dig it too
[03:43] <antiwire> haha yeah
[03:43] <antiwire> real men stink of whiskey
[03:43] <slackytude> there is nothing saying, Im a good caretaker than a guy smelling like a bottle of whisky in the morning
[03:44] <antiwire> hell yes
[03:44] <slackytude> be sure to have messy hair and some long, messy coat as well
[03:44] <slackytude> maybe even a brown bag and a bottle
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[03:44] <rworkman> c
[03:45] <antiwire> we're quickly leaving manly and approaching bum
[03:45] <rworkman> damn.
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[03:47] <slackytude> antiwire: same thing
[03:47] <antiwire> lol
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[03:50] <Quiznos> too bad there isnt a slackpkg-like tool to query SBo and other sites
[03:50] <Quiznos> do any of them provide rss?
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[03:50] <antiwire> there is...
[03:50] <Quiznos> where?
[03:50] <antiwire> and someone already told you about it...
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[03:50] <antiwire> sbopkg
[03:50] <Quiznos> pls remind me
[03:50] <Quiznos> oh
[03:50] <Quiznos> ty
[03:51] <antiwire> it does not check other sites.
[03:51] <antiwire> SBo is trusted and community maintained.
[03:51] <antiwire> it is audited by trustworthy people which means the scripts have been looked at by people with clue.
[03:51] <Quiznos> ok
[03:51] <Quiznos> nods
[03:51] <Quiznos> running now.
[03:52] <Quiznos> it's quick
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[03:53] <Quiznos> View is nice to eval a pkg potential
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[03:56] <slackytude> sbopkg is nice
[03:57] <antiwire> -c is awesome
[03:57] <antiwire> this is the first time I have ever checked into sbopkg
[03:58] <antiwire> I usually just maintain my own rsync mirror
[03:58] <Quiznos> what's -c provide?
[03:59] <antiwire> sbopkg --help
[03:59] <Quiznos> wow runit's in there
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[04:01] <antiwire> to give you an idea of the magnitude of my situation: grep SBo.tgz /var/log/packages/* | uniq | wc -l
[04:02] <antiwire> 169
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[04:02] <antiwire> and that's neglecting packages that I have created myself and installed using a different tag
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[04:03] <antiwire> that's why -c is awesome
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[04:03] <Quiznos> ok ty
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[04:13] <fire|bird> back for a bit. It's 03:11. :P
[04:14] <fire|bird> antiwire: \o/ kqemu and usb work perfect now.
[04:14] <antiwire> sweet
[04:14] <fire|bird> so, today's been a heck of a good day. :)
[04:15] <fire|bird> I guess slack64 on the laptop will have to wait until tomorrow. :P
[04:15] <fire|bird> gosh that laptop has been running for hours now and is VERY cool yet.
[04:16] <antiwire> i just found out that i have 169 packages built from SBo installed
[04:17] <fire|bird> wow
[04:17] <fire|bird> you're like bob the builder, only your name probably isn't bob. :P
[04:17] <antiwire> lol
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[04:18] <fire|bird> wow, I've got more packages than you. 180 :P
[04:19] <antiwire> hahaha
[04:19] <Quiznos> 782 packages installed here.
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[04:19] <fire|bird> Quiznos: just from slackbuilds.org ?
[04:19] <Quiznos> no
[04:19] <antiwire> Quiznos: ...packages or SBo packages?
[04:19] <Quiznos> pkgs
[04:19] <fire|bird> Quiznos: so then your # doesn't count. :P We're talking just SBo
[04:20] <Quiznos> ok
[04:20] <antiwire> once again, you're not with the rest of the class.
[04:20] <fire|bird> and, you forgot to raise your hand. :P
[04:20] <quasar> is there an actual reason that most people use the v flag when untarring?
[04:20] <Quiznos> i'll count sbo's later and tell
[04:20] <Quiznos> to watch the files and show down the untaring
[04:20] <quasar> I personally dont so I'm just curious lol
[04:20] <Quiznos> i dont v anymore
[04:20] <antiwire> quasar: i do because i'm a controlling asshole who likes to see output
[04:21] <alisonken1noc> quasar: -v is verbose, so you can see what files are coming out of the tar file
[04:21] <Quiznos> hmm, dispapointed how relatively bare the dev section is in the sbopkg
[04:21] <antiwire> i use v with my rsyncs too
[04:22] <quasar> I know what it is.. I just wonder why most (if not all) slackbuilds that I've seen (that weren't my own) use it..
[04:22] <alisonken1noc> pkgtool also uses -v to build a list for the /var/log/packages entries
[04:22] <alisonken1noc> either that, or the -t (test) flag to see before pulling
[04:22] <antiwire> quasar: in the case of slackbuild scripts it is used by most people to keep everything as transparent as possible
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[04:23] <antiwire> it also helps with log coordination
[04:23] <fire|bird> antiwire: yup, this is working just how I wanted, qemu + clonezilla live cd. Thanks again.
[04:23] <antiwire> fire|bird: awesome, you're welcome
[04:24] <antiwire> fire|bird: it keeps getting better too
[04:24] <fire|bird> awesome
[04:24] <fire|bird> I will have to brush up on my qemu-fu :)
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[04:25] <antiwire> also, before you even try; wifi + bridged mode networking is a no go due to wifi card firmware handling or mac addresses
[04:25] <salah> howto add libflashplayer.so on slackware
[04:25] <quasar> meh.. I see your points.. I guess I'm just one of the few who actually look at the slackbuild to make sure it's not going to do anything fruity before I blindly run it lol
[04:25] <Quiznos> ok so ive selected pkgs from sbopkg; what now?
[04:26] <Quiznos> where's teh "go" button?
[04:26] <Zordrak> salah: use the installer
[04:26] <antiwire> quasar: looking at the slackbuild and seeing the tar output don't have much to do with the log coordination though
[04:26] <salah> how
[04:26] <salah> install
[04:26] <agris> :D
[04:26] <quasar> true
[04:26] <antiwire> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libflashsupport/
[04:27] <antiwire> and for the plugin http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/
[04:27] <Quiznos> ok gn; will report later.
[04:27] <Quiznos> damn the sbopkg is interactive
[04:28] <Quiznos> not what i expected
[04:28] <Quiznos> oh well
[04:28] <Quiznos> gn
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[04:29] <encryptzz> hey
[04:29] <encryptzz> anybody here?
[04:30] <Zordrak> no
[04:30] <antiwire> nope, try reconnecting
[04:30] <encryptzz> ok cool
[04:30] <nooper> we're so friendly
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[04:30] <encryptzz> antiwire: can you tell what them is this http://www.eterm.org/pics/ss/shot_whitestar_d0.jpg
[04:30] <antiwire> nope
[04:30] <encryptzz> window manager / theme
[04:31] <antiwire> i use kde4
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[04:31] <encryptzz> .3 is out?
[04:31] <antiwire> yes
[04:31] <fire|bird> Well, later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care.
[04:31] <fire|bird> encryptzz: yes, just today.
[04:31] <encryptzz> nice
[04:31] <fire|bird> and that ss could be fvwm, but not sure.
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[04:32] <fire|bird> anyway, later guys.
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[04:34] <encryptzz> antiwire: try change your nick to 'slak'
[04:34] <antiwire> yeah ok...dumbass
[04:35] <encryptzz> antiwire: will try at least?
[04:35] <antiwire> ...
[04:36] Nick change: encryptzz -> antiwire_
[04:36] Nick change: antiwire_ -> antiwireless
[04:36] <antiwireless> antiwire: here i am
[04:36] <antiwireless> we're now like brothers
[04:38] Nick change: antiwire -> encryptzz
[04:38] Nick change: encryptzz -> antiwire
[04:39] <antiwireless> antiwire: would you change to slak real quick?
[04:39] <antiwire> change to encryptzz really quick
[04:39] <antiwireless> you're asking me that?
[04:39] <antiwire> yeah
[04:39] <antiwire> you change first
[04:39] Nick change: antiwireless -> encryptzz
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[04:40] <antiwireless> thanks
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[04:40] <quasar> lol
[04:40] <antiwireless> dumbass
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[04:40] <antwire> lol
[04:40] Nick change: antwire -> edman007
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[04:40] <Guest59863> antiwire do slak
[04:40] <antiwire> hahah
[04:40] Nick change: antiwire -> antwire
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[04:41] <antiwire> well that was fun
[04:41] Nick change: prowire -> wire-anti
[04:42] <wire-anti> and now
[04:42] <Zordrak> hmmm.. hom do you go about working out what TB is doing if its sat motionless at 99% cpu?
[04:43] <wire-anti> antiwire: hi
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[04:43] <antiwire> idiot
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[04:45] <Ni3tzch3> hi
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[04:54] <antiwire> this is definitely an interesting image http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200908/r411823_1946845.jpg
[04:54] <salah> howto  install flash player
[04:54] <quasar> yeah.. is Clinton a giant or is Kim Jong-Il a midget?
[04:56] <vdvluc> they look very happy :P
[04:56] <quasar> salah: Zordrak told you earlier.. use the installer
[04:56] <slava_dp> salah, get http://sbopkg.org, launch it, update it, search for flash, install it.
[04:57] <dchmelik> they look like they are comrades
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[04:57] <Zordrak> slava_dp: tbh id recommend just getting the installer from adobe
[04:57] <Zordrak> but should make little diff
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[04:58] <slava_dp> Zordrak, i just use the slackbuild, it's cleaner to install on multiple machines and to update it.
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[05:01] <Zordrak> guess so
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[05:01] <Zordrak> just dont really get why there is a slackbuild for a single file... unless it actually builds the lib from some kind of source
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[05:02] <agris> that source is not open probably :)
[05:02] <Zordrak> prekisely
[05:02] <antiwire> because you can't track even the single file with pkgtools without the packaging meta data
[05:04] <Zordrak> meh.. i guess im just used to knowingf where everything is.. and for a single file i couldnt give a ship
[05:05] <antiwire> the point of packaging is not needing to remember or know because you can grep var and use the distributions package toolset to do the work
[05:06] <agris> just like locate/slocate
[05:08] <antiwire> agris: You know a way to use {s}locate to display all of the files that a specific package provided to the system?
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[05:08] <antiwire> you can see where an arbitrary file lives but you can't see where it came from with {s}locate
[05:08] <agris> in case of flashplayer lib, yes. but i must agree that most common way for most situations is to do slackpkg way :P
[05:09] <apoca> hello everyone
[05:09] <antiwire> what do you mean 'in the case of flashplayer lib'? without the package meta data all you know is where it is with slocate
[05:10] <antiwire> if you were handed over control of a system that you don't have notes for, you wouldn't even be able to tell
[05:10] <agris> well, probably there is just one file copied to selected directory. there is no need to know where from it comes.
[05:10] <antiwire> you could blindly slocate for random files
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[05:11] <dchmelik> dang... a rocket is almost finished larger than the Saturn V: http://www.universetoday.com/2009/08/04/ares-i-x-comes-together-and-it-is-big/ .  I hope it will run Slackware.
[05:11] <agris> and just like I said, mostly your way is better
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[05:34] <winterx> allah akhbar!
[05:34] Action: winterx boom
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[05:52] <spook> whats a good graphical interface for wireless networking + vpn?  other than network manager (yuck gnome) or wicd which doesnt do vpn yet.
[05:52] <Zordrak> spook
[05:53] <Zordrak> spook: why would you need a gcui for vpn?
[05:53] <spook> me? no.  my gf while shes 10,000km away, yes.
[05:53] <Zordrak> the wireless i can understand
[05:54] <Zordrak> but the VPN is just a startup command which, with an alias could be as simple as "V"
[05:54] <spook> i dont know if there will be vpn avaliable.
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[05:54] <spook> or required for campus internet.
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[05:58] <spook> trying to cover my bases.   saying, click this then put the stuff in here, is easier than saying okay open up a console and type this stuff in
[06:00] <Zordrak> meh.. "Alt+F2, then type V" :)
[06:01] <apoca> is there any way to move the windows from one screen-session to another?
[06:03] <Zordrak> not that i know of
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[06:04] <apoca> too bad :( I changed a setting for screen and have to restart it
[06:04] <apoca> but I would have to disconnect from IRC :(
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[06:07] <spook> apoca: yup :)
[06:07] <spook> Zordrak: you're missing the point, there is no script i can write yet, or know if i need to even write one.
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[06:12] <Zordrak> spook: i would say then that you need to find oot
[06:12] <Zordrak> spook: dont design a solution unless you know the answer to the problem
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[06:16] <david___> good morning
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[06:16] <spook> Zordrak: its more about making it easy to use and not end up hearing "i hate linux, put windows on it please"
[06:18] <david___> that just happened to me. my friends harddrive took a dump, so i put linux on it for a few days. it's too hard to install flash!!!
[06:18] Action: SlackLnx hi \o
[06:19] <david___> i mean come on man,,,, it was ubuntu , how much easier can we make linux
[06:19] <spook> heh.
[06:19] <slackytude> i hate linux, put windows on it please
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[06:20] Action: init[1] o/ slackers 
[06:20] <david___> shure thing come on over and i will give you a plate full
[06:20] <quasar> slackytude: I hate you, put your shirt back on please -_-
[06:20] <slackytude> oh noes!
[06:20] <slackytude> quasar: huh, shirt?
[06:20] <slackytude> init[1]: y0
[06:20] <init[1]> yo slackytude whats new .
[06:21] <init[1]> seem like firefox has been updated on current
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[06:21] <slackytude> init[1]: nothin much, except some work stuff. how about you?
[06:21] <spook> yeah. changelog comment seems to suggest it wasnt needed.
[06:22] <init[1]> slackytude: busy with seminar and finaly year project
[06:22] <slackytude> oy!
[06:22] <slackytude> godd luck
[06:22] <init[1]> s/finaly/final/
[06:22] <init[1]> slackytude: thank ya .. :)
[06:22] <slackytude> good :P
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[06:22] <slackytude> y0 Chakravanti
[06:22] <slackytude> hows it going
[06:23] <spook> kde 4.3 was released yesterday
[06:23] <spook> queue influx of people asking about it
[06:23] <Chakravanti> hi
[06:23] <Chakravanti> pretty good
[06:23] <david___> it looks good too
[06:23] <slackytude> spook: queue what?
[06:23] <spook> cue whatever
[06:24] <spook> i'm tired and stressed, stop pushing my buttons slackytude
[06:24] <slackytude> spook: you got a lot of people asking for it?
[06:24] <slackytude> sorry, no pushing intended, spook
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[06:24] <spook> slackytude: no, i'm saying people will come in here asking if it will be in slackware 13.0
[06:24] <slackytude> ah, gotcha
[06:25] <david___> and will it
[06:25] <quasar> alien has said no
[06:25] <spook> we arent going to change from 4.2.4, which has been in current for a long while, has been tested, and is generally stable, to 4.3 which has only just been released.
[06:25] <david___> 4.2 in it's current state seems pretty stable and usable in slackware current
[06:26] <spook> especially considering that -current is currently slackware 13.0 rc1
[06:26] <david___> i agree
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[06:26] <init[1]|znc> xfce, is more than enough for a slacker
[06:26] <init[1]|znc> IMO
[06:26] <david___> i like a little more bling
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[06:27] <init[1]|znc> david___: ;
[06:27] <init[1]|znc> ;)
[06:27] <slackytude> I shall try out kde 4, once I got my slack 13
[06:27] <spook> kde is nice if you've got a beefy machine and disable a lot of the crap that is enabled by default
[06:27] <david___> what should i disable????
[06:28] <slackytude> the crap
[06:28] <slackytude> kde menu -> system settings -> uncheck "Crap"
[06:28] <init[1]|znc> david___: try disabling kde its self
[06:28] <david___> my maching - p4 2 gigs ram nvidia graphics, nothing beefy at all
[06:28] <init[1]|znc> :P
[06:28] <david___> got it
[06:28] <slackytude> heh
[06:29] <david___> your right, it's right there, large font "CRAP", done
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[06:30] <david___> i too like xfce and use it when i'm feeling a bit slow
[06:30] <acidchild> init[1]|znc: where did you two meet?
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[06:31] <init[1]|znc> acidchild: well on slackware  yrs back..
[06:32] <david___> anything about slacke17 coming about? i did enjoy using it for 12.1
[06:32] <init[1]|znc> initially i didn't like him,
[06:32] <acidchild>  then he dropped his pants and you where in live?
[06:32] <init[1]|znc> o_0
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[06:34] <slackytude> david___: slack 17?
[06:34] <david___> yes, you are correct
[06:34] <init[1]|znc> what is that slack 17?
[06:34] <david___> enlightenment ported for slackware
[06:35] <spook> what would it take to get networkmanager running on slackware?
[06:35] <david___> chekc out http://slacke17.sourceforge.net/
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[06:36] <init[1]|znc> david___: can't we install DR17 directly on slackware, why a new fork?
[06:36] <david___> i just thought someone might know more than me, wait!!! that's everyone else
[06:37] <david___> yes, we can and i have. but the simplicity of slacke17 was awesome
[06:37] <init[1]|znc> oon nvm,
[06:38] <david___> <init[1]\znc> _ it's not new by any means
[06:38] <init[1]|znc> david___: yea i get it ..
[06:39] <david___> sorry
[06:40] <david___> cheers, and good day
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[07:06] <slackytude> people seem to like jack instead of pulseaudio
[07:08] <a750mhzslinky> I have had bad experiences with pulseaudio
[07:09] <a750mhzslinky> pulseaudio takes like 80% memory with vlc
[07:10] Action: slackytude shrugs
[07:10] <slackytude> It looked like pulseaudio was gonna be the next default sound server of linux
[07:11] <alienBOB> In gnome perhaps. Not in Slackware
[07:11] <slackytude> well, no, not in slackware of course
[07:11] <slackytude> I just got the impression that many distros were switching to it
[07:11] <spook> alienBOB: how hard would it be to get networkmanager running in -current?  and then use the plasma thingy in kde4 for it
[07:12] <slackytude> but looke like jack + plain old alse get some more traction now
[07:12] <a750mhzslinky> alienBOB, it was on arch I have not installed pulseaudio on slackware
[07:12] <alienBOB> spook: network manager will not be supported by Slackware. It is an abomination
[07:12] <slackytude> Ive got a slack with pulseaudio from sbo
[07:12] <slackytude> spook: tried wicd?
[07:13] <spook> alienBOB: i completely understand you.  it was more a, how could i do it for just myself
[07:13] <spook> i'm looking mostly at the easy to use vpn support
[07:13] <slackytude> hm? cant you use openvpn?
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[07:13] <alienBOB> Well yes, of course you can install pulseaudio on slackware. But none of Slackware's software has been linked against pulseaudio libraries, so it's usefulness is quite limited
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[07:14] <slackytude> alienBOB: worked quite well to transport sound across network, but I was aware of that
[07:14] <slackytude> alienBOB: how about JACK?
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[07:15] <shik4nt4z4> Hello, great people from great Slackware land!
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[07:16] <Zosma> Pulseaudio is something like a misshaped animal... I've heard nothing but complaints.
[07:16] <Zosma> You should ask the amarok developers about it for a quick laugh.
[07:16] <Zordrak> imo openvpn is the only way ever
[07:17] <Zosma> Mmm yes OpenVPN is the way to go for VPN.
[07:18] <Zosma> It has some issues too though.
[07:18] <spook> openvpn doesnt do pptp though does it?
[07:21] <slackytude> nope
[07:21] <slackytude> there is pptpclient
[07:21] <spook> :)
[07:22] <slackytude> http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/
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[07:22] <shik4nt4z4> How do I change bash default start directory?
[07:22] <CyberS0nic> Good morning !!
[07:22] <shik4nt4z4> The one which shows after I run bash. /home/user
[07:22] <slackytude> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/pptp/
[07:22] <shik4nt4z4> Hello, CyberS0nic!
[07:22] <spook> slackytude: yeah that comes with slackware, i'm looking at gui stuff
[07:23] <slackytude> doesnt come with slack
[07:23] <spook> well its in the pack of packages i always add.
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[07:26] <slackytude> spook: I guess you have to write a gui yourself
[07:26] <slackytude> spook: why is a gui needed?
[07:27] <spook> slackytude: well i'm looking at the kde4 plasmoid for networkmanager
[07:27] <spook> slackytude: because my gf will need something.
[07:29] <slackytude> huh, isnt networkmanager gnome?
[07:30] <spook> yeah. gnome deps...
[07:30] <slackytude> spook: cant you script it or establish some remote support thingy
[07:30] <spook> i'm not saying its not going to be ugly
[07:30] <spook> i cant remote support when the machine cant get net because it cant connect to a vpn.
[07:31] <slackytude> would be more sensible to provided a slimed down gui for a script the controls pptp
[07:31] <slava_dp> shik4nt4z4, echo "cd /wherever/you/wish" >> ~/.bash_profile
[07:31] <slava_dp> shik4nt4z4, will change the dir on login.
[07:32] <spook> slackytude: if it even is pptp
[07:33] <DeeeeP> or change it on /etc/passwd
[07:33] <spook> screw it, i'm going to try and find out
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[07:33] <slava_dp> DeeeeP, no.
[07:33] <spook> kansai gaidai in osaka, find out what campus internet/wireless is using, K GO
[07:33] <DeeeeP> no ? isnt it the home dir when logged in ?
[07:33] <slava_dp> DeeeeP, that will make all his . config files go into the new folder.
[07:34] <slava_dp> DeeeeP, the point is to only change the dir where the shell opens.
[07:34] <shik4nt4z4> slava_dp: Right! :-)  Thank you!
[07:34] <slava_dp> shik4nt4z4, yw :)
[07:34] <DeeeeP> ok , your tip works better then
[07:36] <spook> okay, it seems it doesnt matter
[07:36] <spook> Wireless connection is not available anywhere in Kansai Gaidai University.
[07:37] <spook> the things i take for granted for being at a fairly technologically advanced uni.
[07:37] <slackytude> heh
[07:37] <slackytude> thats pretty funny, in a sad way
[07:38] <slackytude> what do they teach there?
[07:38] <slava_dp> spook, she will have to fix a neighbour's wifi for herself then :)
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[07:38] <spook> its well known for psychology
[07:39] <slava_dp> or an internet cafe perhaps....
[07:40] <spook> shes staying at a dorm, which you can get wired access from
[07:40] <spook> and looks like theres no vpn whatsoever
[07:40] <spook> http://www.kansaigaidai.ac.jp/asp/00_sub_contents/current_students/computer_facilities/regs.htm
[07:41] <slackytude> well, no networkmanager. saved at the last second, eh?
[07:41] <spook> yes.
[07:41] <slava_dp> haha, the os requirement is UNIX. i laugh.
[07:42] <spook> read to the bit about registering your laptop
[07:42] <spook> wonder what they will think of an eeepc with linux on it.
[07:42] <spook> time to setup wine...
[07:44] <shik4nt4z4> Trying to make a package from slackbuilds but I get en error on it. Actually on 3 packages. What may be the problem? Here is the output: http://pastebay.com/35779
[07:44] <spook> does koffice open word 2007 format?
[07:44] <spook> shik4nt4z4: which packages?
[07:45] <shik4nt4z4> spook: libsig++, libtorrent
[07:45] <shik4nt4z4> And maybe rtorrent.
[07:45] <slava_dp> spook, get OOo3.1
[07:46] <spook> slava_dp: i'd rather not if i can avoid it.
[07:46] <slackytude> shik4nt4z4: usless paste
[07:46] <slackytude> shik4nt4z4: no errors are shown
[07:46] <shik4nt4z4> slackytude: But where do I get that config.log?
[07:46] <slava_dp> spook, you don't like ooo? why is that?
[07:46] <slackytude> shik4nt4z4: try again but get a decent log
[07:46] <slackytude> shik4nt4z4: huh?
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[07:47] <slava_dp> koffice never even opened odf without errors for me.
[07:49] <shik4nt4z4> slackytude: At the end of that log says to read config.log. I see it nowhere.
[07:49] <spook> i'm trying to cut down on software, especially stuff that is essentially just java
[07:49] <shik4nt4z4> slackytude: Ups, sorry. One moment.
[07:49] <Zordrak> config.log will be wherever the build puts its temporary sourc (in /tmp/SBo)
[07:50] <slava_dp> spook, but you use kde4. that's not really a cut down.
[07:50] <slava_dp> ooo is not java. x_x
[07:50] <spook> kde4 doesnt work that bad.
[07:51] <spook> its an eeepc 701SD
[07:52] <shik4nt4z4> Zordrak: Thank you!
[07:54] <shik4nt4z4> Here is the error generated at compile time when creating libsig++ slackbuild package: http://pastebin.com/d68718b5d
[07:56] <thrice`> configure:3277: gcc -O2 -march=i486 -mtune=i686   conftest.c  >&5
[07:56] <thrice`> /bin/arch              = x86_64
[07:56] <spook> anyone used q4wine ?
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[07:56] <thrice`> shik4nt4z4: get it? :)
[07:57] <slackytude> shik4nt4z4: wrong arch or wrong option
[07:57] <thrice`> you need to change your ARCH to x86_64
[07:57] <shik4nt4z4> OK. Thank you!
[08:00] <shik4nt4z4> Wow, this was a piece of cake problem!
[08:00] <shik4nt4z4> :-)
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[08:03] <thrice`> :)
[08:03] <slackytude> shik4nt4z4: reading logs help
[08:03] <slackytude> support the proud-log-readers of america foundation
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[08:06] <shik4nt4z4> slackytude: True! I need to get used to reading logs.
[08:06] <slackytude> spook: q4wine?
[08:07] <spook> slackytude: came up with the search for wine on slackbuilds.org
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[08:07] <spook> qt gui for wine apparently
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[08:08] <slackytude> spook: kinda usele
[08:08] <slackytude> spook: kinda useles
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[08:17] <slackytude> man
[08:18] <slackytude> this windows dude is so useles
[08:18] <spook> hmmm?
[08:18] <slackytude> we had to setup a machine dual booting win7 / xp for sales
[08:18] <spook> tell them to wine
[08:18] <slackytude> I can't remeber ever touching it, but anyway win7 had all the tools, win xp was a mess, no drivers or anything
[08:19] <spook> oh god
[08:19] <slackytude> so this dude comes to me and says, "great work you idiot, you installed all the apps on win7 in C:"
[08:19] <slackytude> and I was like, "yeah, so?"
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[08:20] <slackytude> then he tried to explain to me, that the dirve C: will be the same for XP and 7, so I should have used D:. By installing it in C: I wiped the stuff on the XP drive
[08:20] <slackytude> and I was like O_o
[08:20] <slackytude> I said I come and take a look
[08:21] <spook> uhhhhhhhhh
[08:21] <slackytude> and some minutes ago he came along and said that I was right and he looked in the wrong place
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[08:21] <spook> multiple windows installs on the same machine is very ugly
[08:21] <slackytude> I mean, seriously, he gets paid for providing support to customers and doing windows, network stuff
[08:21] <slackytude> spook: well, it works, its just for sales anyway
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[08:21] <quasar> spook: multiple?! a single install is ugly!
[08:22] <slackytude> but really, I mean, its two seperate partitions
[08:22] <spook> quasar: thats why i used the quantifier very
[08:22] <quasar> unless we're talking pre-95
[08:22] <quasar> ah, I missed the very
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[08:23] <spook> slackytude: yes, but drive lettering
[08:23] <spook> msi is smart enough to provide windowsroot:
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[08:24] <spook> msi is smart enough to provide windowsroot:\program files\ as the default install location for programs
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[08:25] <slackytude> spook: their primary partition will be C:
[08:25] <slackytude> spook: its not like both will use C: for the same partition
[08:26] <spook> slackytude: if they are aware of each other, the first installed will be C:  the second will be D:
[08:26] <spook> and keep that consistent in both installs
[08:26] <spook> the problems is that each has full read/write to each other's /windows/ folder, without windows file protection.
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[08:27] <slackytude> well, anyway, the way it was worked, and he was talking crap
[08:27] <a750mhzslinky> whelp, good day all!
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[08:27] <spook> g'day mate.
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[08:28] <quasar> wee 114min for kdelibs-4.3.0
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[08:31] <spook> quasar: what
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[08:34] <quasar> spook: took 114min for one of my systems to make kdelibs-4.3.0-x86_64.tgz
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[08:34] <spook> urg
[08:35] <spook> you're not doing this on 12.2 are you?
[08:35] <quasar> negative.. 64-current
[08:35] <spook> dont you mean .txz?
[08:37] <slackytude> he has the source from kde
[08:37] <shik4nt4z4> What may be the problem with the package if I have installed libtorrent but rtorrent complains it does not exist?
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[08:38] <spook> did you install libtorrent before building the rtorrent package?
[08:39] <spook> if not, then configure wont find it :)
[08:39] <quasar> spook: they may be txz but I'm naming them tgz (old habits die hard)
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[08:39] <shik4nt4z4> spook: I have built rtorrent package after installing libtorrent.
[08:39] <spook> shik4nt4z4: and rtorrent built fine?
[08:40] <shik4nt4z4> spook: No, when I try to built it says that libtorrent is missing.
[08:40] <slackytude> shik4nt4z4: how did you install libtorrent?
[08:40] <spook> are you using slackbuilds?
[08:40] <shik4nt4z4> spook: Yes, slackbuilds.
[08:41] <thrice`> shik4nt4z4: building a package will not installed it automatically.  did you run "installpkg" on it?
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[08:41] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`: Of course yes!
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[08:42] <thrice`> "yes of course", you installed it?  or, "yes of course" I'm an idiot? :D
[08:42] Action: Zordrak just had an epiphany
[08:42] <slackytude> could you do ldconfig | grep torrent
[08:42] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`: Yes of course I have instaled it.
[08:42] <spook> cat /var/log/packages/libtorrent*
[08:43] <Zordrak> Most of the worlds problems are caused by usernames and email addresses not being the same thing
[08:43] <slackytude> Zordrak: lies!
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[08:43] <thrice`> shik4nt4z4: ls /var/log/packages/*torrent*
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[08:44] <shik4nt4z4> http://pastebin.com/d88a85b5
[08:44] <Zordrak> MY new mail server config for example means that people will have to log in with their email addy as their username to avoid the vacation system from replying from the wrong address, which also means they mill have horde do *everything* with theyre full email addy not their internal username
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[08:45] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`, spook : http://pastebin.com/d88a85b5
[08:46] <quasar> Zordrak: why horde, out of curiosity? (I've got a dovecot+postfix setup right now, been debating about web frontend for a couple weeks)
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[08:47] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`, spook : I see no problem with libtorrent.
[08:48] <Zordrak> quasar: its the most complete and functional
[08:49] <quasar> hm.. I'll have to look into it then
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[08:56] <shik4nt4z4> So, what may be the problem with the not found libtorrent package when I try to build rtorrent slackbuild? I have libtorrent installed.
[08:58] <gtl> morning all
[08:58] <shik4nt4z4> gtl: Hello!
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[09:00] <dive> shik4nt4z4, there are two libtorrent packages - libtorrent and libtorrent-rasterbar - I assume you don't the correct one
[09:01] <thrice`> shik4nt4z4: well, it probably should have gone to /usr/lib64/ instead of /usr/lib/
[09:01] <dive> or that
[09:01] <shik4nt4z4> Ups.
[09:02] <thrice`> I would do taht first (add a --libdir=/usr/lib64 to the configure section for libtorrent
[09:06] <slackytude> Zordrak: could you solve your horde issues?
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[09:11] <Zordrak> what do you mean exactly?
[09:12] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`, dive : OK, thrice` solution works. Thank you very much!
[09:13] <slackytude> Zordrak: you ware having problems with LDAP addressbook I think
[09:13] <slackytude> s/ware/were
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[09:14] <Zordrak> slackytude: oh yeah.. i sorted that
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[09:14] <Zordrak> slackytude: couple of issues together
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[09:15] <slackytude> Zordrak: so horde is up an running now?
[09:15] <Zordrak> slackytude: somewhat.. that was just a minor issue
[09:17] <thrice`> Skaperen: cool :)
[09:17] <thrice`> er, shik4nt4z4 *
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[09:18] <punker> Hi :-)
[09:20] <LF4> Hello punker
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[09:26] <slackytude> Zordrak: sounds like a pita to setup
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[09:26] <Zordrak> slackytude: it really depends on what your needs are
[09:26] <agentc0re> Zordrak: So you got the whole horde groupware thing setup?
[09:27] <agentc0re> its been a while since i've touched that when i was thinking of having it replace exchange.
[09:27] <agentc0re> I gave up to say the least.
[09:27] <Zordrak> slackytude: for the business the needs are very complex so the setup is complex.. also im migrating to it from other things and trying to have NO visible change to users....  but when I set it up for my use at home it was a breeze
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[09:28] <Zordrak> if youre starting from scratch its simple.. its really when you migrate a complex system that its not
[09:28] <slackytude> Zordrak: I see. migrating stuff is always worse than a clean start.
[09:29] <Zordrak> hell yes
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[09:30] <slackytude> Zordrak: well, godspeed
[09:31] Action: slackytude goes back to whiny customers
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[09:35] <bee_bee> anyone install virtualbox with slackbuilds ?
[09:36] <bee_bee> just wondering im d/loading source now looks like virtualbox-obe source is d/loaded twice
[09:37] <bee_bee> for virtualbox-obe and virtualbox-obe-addons
[09:37] <bee_bee> just wondered if need to d/load both sources
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[09:41] <LF4> bee_bee: I cant remember if fire|bird or someone else was runing VBox from source.
[09:42] <bee_bee> yeah LF4 looks the same source package it downloading it with vitrualbox-obe-***(2) so must be same
[09:42] <bee_bee> dont matter only 45 meg ..just wondering if was same
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[09:44] <LF4> bee_bee: Oh lol ok :)
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[09:47] <_budo> what are the main differences between unix programming and general language programming ? unix programming is for local and administrative programming and never converted into assembly language while general programming is for portability and converted into assembly language??
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[09:49] <slackytude> _budo: unix programming? you mean bash scripts?
[09:49] <_budo> yes
[09:49] <_budo> is there other unix programming?
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[09:49] <buffer> _budo: its quite vauge
[09:49] <slackytude> _budo: I guess you mean scripts that a purely done for system administration. the same way windows uses, powershell or batch
[09:49] <alienBOB> Scripting != programming
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[09:50] <slackytude> _budo: well, yeah, you could develop games on unix machines as well, what you call general language pürorgamming
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[09:50] <_budo> what is the difference? can you explain
[09:51] <gnubien> _budo: some scripting languages are bash,awk,sed
[09:51] <_budo> scripting is without programming libraries?
[09:51] <salah>  howto add fedora for lilo
[09:51] <LF4> alienBOB: awe and all this time I thought creating .sh files was programming. :P
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[09:52] <buffer> i wonder why scripting is not programming, since we program bash to what we like with script , can't scripting be called programing ?
[09:52] <_budo> you can't develop windows applications with scripting ?
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[09:53] <_budo> i have seen some people only label programming as that which is compiled and then ran
[09:53] <gtludwig> hey all
[09:53] <_budo> as opposed to interpreted
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[09:54] <slackytude> scripting is programming with script languages
[09:54] <slackytude> bash is turing complete
[09:55] <slackytude> you can do with bash what you can do with every language as well
[09:55] <StasiProto> programming is scripting with languages
[09:55] <slackytude> its just kinda ugly
[09:55] <DeeeeP> slackytude, can u make a 3D game with bash ?
[09:55] <StasiProto> there are scripting languages and programming languages
[09:56] <_budo> so, when would you want to program in bash and when would someone want to program in a general language
[09:56] <StasiProto> high medium low and machine code/binary programming languages
[09:56] <alienBOB> I do not consider writing a script programming. Other people have other opinions of course.
[09:56] <slackytude> DeeeeP: you should be able to
[09:56] <StasiProto> but only very high level scripting
[09:56] <_budo> maybe i can understand the difference that way
[09:56] <StasiProto> maybe the difference doesnt matter
[09:56] <DeeeeP> alienBOB, and why not , as u use language programming sequences ?
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[09:57] <alienBOB> A script is portable to all platforms to which the script engine (perl, python, bash, you name it) has been ported - a script runs without compilation
[09:57] <slackytude> _budo: its more the area where the script is run
[09:57] <alienBOB> DeeeeP: it is my opinion :-)
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[09:58] <alienBOB> I just do not call someone who writes scripts a "programmer"
[09:58] <slackytude> alienBOB: O_o
[09:58] <DeeeeP> alienBOB, i thought that also , but language python turn me down ... as u have huge code aplications , and i think that cant be considered scripting
[09:58] <slava_dp> alienBOB, so, to name it, wicd is not a program but a script according to you, because it's in python? :-)
[09:58] <StasiProto> LUA SCRIPT!
[09:58] <alienBOB> Just like a script is not called a program
[09:58] <slackytude> alienBOB: so, perl monkeys arent programmers?
[09:58] <_budo> ok, so alienBob you separate the two by compilation also
[09:58] <alienBOB> slava_dp: wicd is a set of scripts, yes
[09:59] Action: quasar wonders if he would be considered a programmer in alien's eyes.. only programmed in Turbo Pascal </snicker>
[09:59] <StasiProto> not a programmer in anyones eyes
[09:59] <_budo> concepts can be opinions when the line gets very blurry
[09:59] Action: LF4 wonders if this debait will turn out like the emacs vs vi thing lol. It's all opinion/personal preference.
[09:59] <StasiProto> i wouldnt call my self a programmer if i programmed in c++ in the 80s but not anymore
[10:00] <slackytude> vim!
[10:00] <quasar> pico!
[10:00] <slava_dp> vim ftw!
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[10:00] <alienBOB> A program is binary code, compiled for a specific architecture _budo. A script is readable ascii, ready to run (or better: ready to be interpreted and it's command sequences executed by the interpreter)
[10:00] Action: LF4 => vim
[10:00] <LF4> I agree with alienBOB on the programming vs scripting.
[10:00] <alienBOB> slackytude: perl monkeys belong in a zoo
[10:00] Action: quasar too
[10:01] <LF4> works over :) time to head home.
[10:01] <DeeeeP> alienBOB, so , python aplications ( interpreted ) are just scripts then :)
[10:01] <StasiProto> i agree with myself when i said it first
[10:01] <_budo> that is your concept and it works as a concept
[10:01] <alisonken1noc> DeeeeP: they start as scripts, but are bytecode compiled  - then python itself runs the bytecode
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[10:01] <_budo> scripting is programming also works as a concept
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[10:02] <StasiProto> if you code in binary with a hex editor you are a scripter
[10:02] <slava_dp> lol
[10:02] <StasiProto> yes...you can do it btw
[10:02] <slackytude> alienBOB: bah
[10:03] <salah>  howto add fedora for lilo
[10:03] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[10:03] <alisonken1noc> same as how you add slackware for lilo
[10:04] <quasar> how do you add either for lilo? o.O
[10:04] <quasar> I didn't think lilo cared
[10:04] <thumbs> salah: add an entry for the partition where the root (/) for fedora sits.
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[10:06] <slava_dp> salah, man lilo.conf; man lilo
[10:06] <_budo> to me programming just means knowing how to enter data into a computer (or other automated machine) saving it and running it for it to return the desirable results that you wanted or expected
[10:06] <DeeeeP> or follow the working lilo.conf as example , and adapt it as you need
[10:06] <slava_dp> salah, open /etc/lilo.conf, see how it's written, use it as an example.
[10:07] <_budo> if i can type in MS Word and have it format my sentences the way i wanted or expected if i were to load it up in a viewer, than i'm a programmer
[10:07] <alisonken1noc> _budo: that's a description for data entry
[10:07] <quasar> or cash register operator at Wal-Mart :)
[10:07] <alisonken1noc> don't know if the cash register operator would know how to format a Word document, though
[10:08] <quasar> doubt it
[10:08] <StasiProto> scripting and coding are both programming
[10:08] <StasiProto> just different styles
[10:09] <buffer> well,IMHO,when we tune an entity with an interface/abstraction that it provides ,we can call that programing that entity
[10:09] <alisonken1noc> scripting and coding are both programming - just one skips the compile steps
[10:10] <StasiProto> yeah script vs source code
[10:10] <slava_dp> alisonken1noc++
[10:10] <slava_dp> one is compiled on the spot, the second -- on demand.
[10:10] <StasiProto> assembly is the most fun
[10:10] <pprkut> so, if you write php code and compile it to a binary, are you a scripter or a programmer?
[10:11] <pprkut> ;)
[10:11] <StasiProto> there is no programmer
[10:11] <buffer> pprkut: we usually call them php programmers
[10:11] <StasiProto> both are programmers
[10:11] <StasiProto> one is a coder the other is a scripter
[10:11] <StasiProto> and php is scripter language
[10:12] <DeeeeP> so they are php programmers of a script language
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[10:12] <guax> actualy i dont think the verb to script does exists officialy =P
[10:12] <StasiProto> they are php scripters doing programming
[10:13] <StasiProto> when you stare into the script the script also stares into you
[10:13] <StasiProto> php makes you lazy and dumb!
[10:13] Action: buffer any way, what we need is to feed ourself .. 
[10:13] <StasiProto> but its fun
[10:14] <guax> StasiProto, that was deep. [11:13] <StasiProto> when you stare into the script the script also stares into you
[10:14] <guax> will twitter it =P
[10:14] <StasiProto> please god no
[10:14] <StasiProto> when you twit in the twat the twat twits on your twang
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[10:16] <Zordrak> I am out of time and out of sanity.. does ANYONE in here use postfixadmin's vacation script?
[10:17] <StasiProto> the only use for twitter i see is making fat money off idiots with scripting languages
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[10:19] <DeeeeP> StasiProto, how u make money with twitter ?
[10:19] <StasiProto> you make some crApp
[10:19] <StasiProto> that makes twittards all retard strong
[10:20] <_budo> i want to make fat money
[10:20] <quasar> I prefer normal sized money.. in bulk.
[10:20] <StasiProto> well then do twitter, facebook, or iphone bs or a combination of the 3
[10:20] <_budo> lol
[10:20] <StasiProto> i have so many millions i just sit here and chat all day in my boxers
[10:20] <guax> quasar, that one is better acept on market tought
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[10:21] <quasar> and I shall call it... Slack.
[10:22] <slackytude> very funny
[10:22] <slackytude> we just got notified that our software for architects does something wrong
[10:23] <StasiProto> you used pontifex as the engine didnt you
[10:23] <StasiProto> amatuers!
[10:23] <guax> slackytude, i hope thats not the excuse for that rolling building
[10:23] <slackytude> no, no
[10:23] <slackytude> it is related to insurances
[10:23] <slackytude> looks like they have some special provision, they get calculated differentlyx
[10:23] <StasiProto> hmmm twin towers...insurance...
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[10:24] <StasiProto> i just thought of something!111 AHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:24] <slackytude> but we have been using the wrong way for years as have most of other software products
[10:24] <slackytude> funny enough, we have insurances as customers and even they didnt notice
[10:25] <slackytude> so, for years in Germany, every software for architects, even those used by insurances, have been calculating it wrong
[10:25] <StasiProto> maybe they pretend not to notice to sue you now
[10:25] <slackytude> and apparently, nobody ever noticed till now
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[10:26] <slackytude> StasiProto: its software
[10:26] <StasiProto> so no one verified the calculation
[10:26] <slackytude> StasiProto: it could burn your house down and rape your dog and we wouldnt be liable for anything
[10:26] <StasiProto> hah, lazy mortals
[10:26] <quasar> but my cat's covered, right?
[10:27] <slackytude> StasiProto: check what I wrote, its likely to be the same issue in many if not most of the software apps out there
[10:27] <quasar> if so then let the bitch burn.
[10:27] <StasiProto> i have 3 million life insurance on my cat
[10:27] <winterx> kill it with fire!!!!
[10:28] <StasiProto> why do architects even bother making buildings hold their own weight if they just explode from jetfuel
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[10:29] <DeeeeP> StasiProto, get back to earth
[10:29] <lotec> anyone working wtih IPV6 on a T1 Card?
[10:29] <StasiProto> DeeeeP, irony!
[10:29] <winterx> YellowDeeps!
[10:29] <StasiProto> melted gooey irony goodness
[10:31] <DeeeeP> hi winterx
[10:33] <winterx> i must go to america, buy a cat and insure it on 3000000
[10:34] <winterx> then pay some homeless guy for killing it
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[10:34] <MonTre> i am trying to send email to myself.  from yahoo to my school email.   however, i am unable to when i try to use my school's mail server ip instead of DNS name.
[10:34] <MonTre> any idea why?
[10:35] <slackytude> gremlins ate your packtes
[10:35] <slackytude> dont send them alone, send them in groups
[10:35] <slackytude> and arm them
[10:35] <StasiProto> one of slacky's architect jobs  http://i29.tinypic.com/29omjiu.jpg
[10:35] <lotec> Anyone messed with ipv6?
[10:36] <mancha> you school didn't set up its dns correctly
[10:36] <StasiProto> slacky build them so they explode when its time to collect insurance, not fall over
[10:36] <mancha> *your
[10:36] <lotec> having a problem getting one working on a T1 card.  we can the packets to the other t1 and see the packets coem in. but the card is not getting them
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[10:46] <slackytude> novacrust: the dude
[10:46] <novacrust> indeed
[10:47] <slackytude> novacrust: nice choice. and that rug really ties the place together
[10:47] <novacrust> heh
[10:47] Action: slackytude is bored 
[10:47] Action: novacrust buys milk in bathrobe and flipflops
[10:47] <slackytude> hehe
[10:47] Action: novacrust pays by cheque
[10:48] <slackytude> this aggression cannot stand
[10:48] <novacrust> "The dude" is one of my role models
[10:48] <slackytude> same here
[10:48] <slackytude> one of the last heros
[10:49] <novacrust> truely
[10:49] <novacrust> Pat ever come in here?
[10:49] <slackytude> sometimes
[10:50] <maxote> Pat is still in vacations
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[10:53] <slackytude> man,
[10:53] <slackytude> 20 minutes left
[10:53] <spook> recurring topic, can we keep slackware going without pat?
[10:53] <slackytude> and its so boring and hot and gah
[10:54] <alisonken1noc> I believe it was brought up several years ago when pat was sick
[10:54] <slackytude> aye
[10:54] <alisonken1noc> he even had a leutenant picked for the job then
[10:54] <spook> its brought up every 6 months.
[10:55] <slackytude> I say we turn him into a zombie
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[10:55] <alisonken1noc> zombies don't think - one problem
[10:56] <slackytude> hrm
[10:56] <slackytude> a zimbo then?
[10:56] <alisonken1noc> as long as it's not a "jimbo"
[10:56] <spook> currently, pat is the boss, he makes the final decisions.  we dont have a political system like debian, what will we do?
[10:57] <alisonken1noc> someone (like the leutentant from pat's sick days) was already picked to take over as head honcho
[10:57] <pprkut> switch to ubuntu
[10:57] <alisonken1noc> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:57] <buffer> http://www.gauravjalan.com/entertainment/pictures/strange/illusion/FrameSet.htm
[10:57] <alisonken1noc> nice one
[11:00] <buffer> aaa.. the silence of the slackware channel ..
[11:00] <slackytude> buffer: nifty
[11:02] <buffer> ;)
[11:06] <slackytude> think some are from escher
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[11:06] <alisonken1noc> and on that note, time to go home
[11:07] <slackytude> we should do it like the kings of old. we Pat goes we commit suicide so we can get buried together
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[11:39] <thumbs> man, I love sbopkg
[11:40] <jeev> yes, i do too.
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[11:52] <init[1]> channel is again silent :(
[11:52] <dive> shhh
[11:52] <init[1]> wow 13 is released . .
[11:52] <init[1]> o_O
[11:53] <john_dee> bad boy
[11:53] <init[1]> no hope .. :(
[11:53] <paissad-hp> hi everybody !
[11:54] <dive> hello
[11:54] <paissad-hp> i would like to remove the right of executing any file into a directory and recursively , but i don't want any changes for the directories, how can i do that !
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[11:55] <paissad-hp> you guess already that chmo -R -x is not what i want to do, chmod -R --preserve-root -x is not what i want too
[11:55] <dive> probably need find
[11:56] <dive> you want to chmod -x files but leave directories +x?
[11:56] <Quiznos> ok; on my sys, I have installed Schily's Star pkg as tar replacement and renamed the dist-installed tar to gnutar.  tar is hard-coded in usr/bin/sbopkg
[11:56] <paissad-hp> dive, yes
[11:56] <paissad-hp> only files,
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[11:58] <pprkut> Quiznos: expected something different?
[11:58] <Quiznos> pprkut yea, that bin/tar would be VAR'd isntead of hard-coded; i'm fixing it now, testing
[11:59] <Quiznos> s/it/sbopkg
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[11:59] <thrice`> backup + sed :>
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[12:00] <g4tt0> hi *
[12:01] <Quiznos> pprkut plus the use of tar's v opt is annoying :)
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[12:01] <BP{k}> s/is/I\ find/
[12:02] <cuba> hey, in http://ftp.ua.freebsd.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current-iso/   21.July iso
[12:02] <cuba> I can't shut it down
[12:03] <BP{k}> cuba: sorry?
[12:03] <cuba> after #shutdown -h now
[12:03] <cuba> it stuck
[12:03] <cuba> maybe somebody would be interested in this issue
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[12:03] <dive> paissad-hp, use 'find'
[12:04] <dive> find . -type f | xargs chmod -x
[12:04] <cuba> right in the shuting down phase
[12:04] <BP{k}> cuba: 1) less enter please, try a complete sentence. 2) slackware-current doesn't have iso's so anything like that, ask the people who made 3) have you tried anything like 'reboot' 'ctrl-alt-del' (which makes much more sence after a install really)
[12:04] <Quiznos> heh, russian subs off coast of Greenland and Georgia.us
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[12:04] <cuba> don't know what's happening cause I can't take a look at dmesg and there is nothing in logs
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[12:05] <cuba> BP{k}: doesn't matter
[12:07] <NthDegree> There's a good reason -current has no ISOs btw
[12:08] <NthDegree> The reason is that it is constantly changing and wastes b/w and CPU resources to keep making ISOs
[12:09] <NthDegree> The two good effects it has are that 1) newbies won't use -current 2) people who get it either have a clean base (last stable release) or use better installers USB or HDD ^_^
[12:09] <NthDegree> cuba, did you try init 0?
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[12:10] <john_dee> Quiznos: quit reading yellow press
[12:11] <cuba> NthDegree: does that mean ctrl + alt + del ?
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[12:11] <thrice`> I REALLY don't think his issue is due to him "using a broken -current ISO"
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[12:12] <NthDegree> cuba, no it means init 0
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[12:13] <Quiznos> john_dee is that like yellow journalists writings?
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[12:14] <us3r51> wat to do to mount ntfs partitions  @ boot ?
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[12:14] <john_dee> Quiznos: it is not "like". it is.
[12:14] <dive> us3r51, put an entry into fstab for it
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[12:15] <us3r51> but how to but it with ntfs-3g ?
[12:15] <dive> same
[12:15] <Quiznos> john_dee i'm very6 careful about where I get info; but the .ru's story is just funi
[12:15] <StasiProto>  /dev/sda1        /mnt/data        ntfs-3g     umask=000,ro     1   0
[12:15] <us3r51> okay thanks :)
[12:15] <dive> ro?
[12:15] <cuba> NthDegree: nope, I will today
[12:15] <dive> try rw
[12:15] <StasiProto> read only
[12:15] <StasiProto> no you keep your data ro until you need to write to it
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[12:16] <spook> i want a delorean
[12:16] <Quiznos> crap, this is bytes; gnutar sucks and its use is common and problematic
[12:16] <john_dee> Quiznos: that's the point. bullsh*t that makes you chuckle to yourself all day %)
[12:16] <Quiznos> nods
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[12:17] <StasiProto> pebkac
[12:17] <Quiznos> john_dee but we really dont know at all whether it's true or not.
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[12:19] <john_dee> Quiznos: do we? :D i think this is the case when we do know
[12:19] Action: john_dee hates this topic
[12:19] <john_dee> back to chrome3-dev :p
[12:19] <Quiznos> john_dee so you trust main media?
[12:19] <spook> new topic, i want a delorean.
[12:19] <Quiznos> ok
[12:19] <Quiznos> john_dee have you seen .ru subs?
[12:19] <Quiznos> ok
[12:19] <dive> you can have one of mine spook
[12:20] <StasiProto> Georgia is a country by russia
[12:20] <john_dee> Quiznos: media is to be filtered very carefully
[12:20] <Quiznos> why isnt sbopkg installed in /sbin?
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[12:20] <john_dee> Quiznos: what about them? link?
[12:20] <spook> dive: fucking gimme it right now
[12:20] <Quiznos> john_dee completely IMO
[12:20] <StasiProto> its a puppet state of israel and the us
[12:21] <Quiznos> john_dee one of the alternate news outlets reporting what the main's dont report (altho ABC mentioned it barely)
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[12:21] <StasiProto> they installed sackashitti after one of the cia "colour revolutions"
[12:21] <Dominian> panzer: :P
[12:21] <StasiProto> you can see the illegitimate georgian government using US crowd control weapons on the mass opposition
[12:21] <StasiProto> or see sackashitti eating his tie :p
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[12:22] <john_dee> Quiznos: where is that alternative source goodness? let me check it :)
[12:22] <Dominian> panzer: no worries.. I have to keep idle chatter to a minimum in that channel :)
[12:22] Nick change: init[1] -> init[1]|znc
[12:22] <panzer> no prob
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[12:22] <john_dee> StasiProto: yummy %)
[12:23] Action: john_dee lives me som tie
[12:23] <john_dee> loves*
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[12:23] <StasiProto> he's a little puppet like saddam
[12:23] <StasiProto> burn the patsy after you are done with them
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[12:24] <fire|bird> Greetings everybody. :)
[12:24] <dive> fire|bird, hi
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[12:25] <fire|bird> hey dive, how's it going?
[12:25] <dive> ok mate, yourself?
[12:25] <fire|bird> doing excellent, thanks. :)
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[12:27] <Quiznos> john_dee on _Daily Liberty Research_  reposting a NYT story.
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[12:28] <Quiznos> afk
[12:32] <Quiznos> in sbopkg script; when a request to user is made to download a pkg for SBo (missing dep) the script should do itself; why am I being made to do work!?!?
[12:33] <paissad-hp> dive, the solution you gave me worked but knowing that there are files which contain spaces in their names, xargs does not execute the chmod for those files :-(
[12:33] <Quiznos> also, when prompting for Yes|NO, <cr> should be accepted also instead of failing to recognise key
[12:33] <paissad-hp> dive, find . -type f | xargs chmod +x
[12:34] <paissad-hp> for example Yael Naim - Toxic.mp3
[12:34] <dive> hmm
[12:34] <pprkut> Quiznos: wrong channel ;)
[12:35] <Quiznos> you gonna tell?
[12:35] <dive> #sbopkg
[12:35] <Quiznos> k
[12:35] <StasiProto> find . -type f -exec chmod +x '{}' /;
[12:36] <Quiznos> \;
[12:37] <paissad-hp> StasiProto, nice nice thanks
[12:37] <paissad-hp> dive, thanks
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[12:37] <dive> find: missing argument to `-exec'
[12:38] <paissad-hp> it works for me
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[12:40] <Necos> find . -type -f | xargs -r -i chmod +x {}
[12:46] <winterx> <8@
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[12:46] <winterx> sŒ
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[12:47] <winterx> '2!*
[12:47] <john_dee> Quiznos: NYT reports. what else to say?! while i can not be 100 percent sure whether it's true or not. it looks more like an obvious example of information war in action. fiction that has nothing to do with reality
[12:47] <winterx> peace
[12:47] <winterx> pai
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[12:48] <fire|bird> winterx: learning different languages? :P
[12:48] <eviljames> Quiznos: you want sbopkg to do dep tracking, did I read that right?
[12:48] <winterx> prooving that utf is better
[12:48] <winterx> !2VB
[12:48] <Quiznos> john_dee agreed re fict./truth
[12:49] <winterx> fire|bird: and yes, learning russian
[12:49] <Quiznos> eviljames when a missing pkg is identified, why shouldnt sbopkg respond approriately?
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[12:49] <fire|bird> eviljames: I for one, and I'm sure in agreement with many others, hope that never happens. :)
[12:49] <winterx> 6>$?
[12:49] <winterx> Œs
[12:49] <winterx> peace
[12:49] <winterx> pokój
[12:49] <eviljames> Quiznos: It does respond appropriately: it informs you that a dep is missing.  It is up to the sysOp to know what software they are installing.
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[12:50] <fire|bird> and sysOp = YOU
[12:50] <winterx> 3D'E
[12:50] <Quiznos> eviljames i do NOT work for the computer; the computer works for me
[12:50] <Quiznos> the script learns what is missing; prompt or not as VAR's are set and get or not.
[12:51] <eviljames> Quiznos: A computer is a simple device that does at is commanded to do.  You asked it to install a packge - it informed you that some software to use the package appropriately.
[12:51] <Quiznos> lame James; VERY lame.
[12:51] <eviljames> hahah
[12:51] <Quiznos> fix the script to respond appropriately
[12:51] <eviljames> bug filed under SHOULDNTFIX
[12:51] <Quiznos> you protest too much.
[12:51] <fire|bird> the script doesn't need fixing, it works great and works how it was designed.
[12:52] <eviljames> s/SHOULDNTFIX/NOTBROKEN/
[12:52] <Quiznos> fire|bird the script is incomplete.
[12:52] <Quiznos> i never said broken
[12:52] <eviljames> Well, I'm not really a useful person to debate this, I don't use sbopkg myself.
[12:53] <fire|bird> It isn't incomplete, just because it doesn't do what YOU want it to doesn't mean it's incomplete.
[12:53] <Quiznos> fire|bird that's a lame response too.
[12:53] <fire|bird> Well, maybe you'd be better off with Ubuntu. :)
[12:53] <Quiznos> wow; all this protesting for a logical amendment to the script?!
[12:53] <Quiznos> dont give me that.
[12:53] <winterx> TRUE; FALSE; LAME
[12:54] <eviljames> It's illogical, though.
[12:54] <eviljames> If I wanted aptitude, I'd use debian.  I don't.
[12:54] <fire|bird> It's not logical at all.
[12:54] <NthDegree> dependency checking?
[12:54] <shik4nt4z4> Quiznos, fire|bird : What's the problem?
[12:54] <Quiznos> wth is wrong with folks; it's the point here that we exchange ideas?  why are mine being rejected?
[12:54] <Quiznos> wth is this
[12:54] <NthDegree> Who the hell needs dependency checking?
[12:54] <fire|bird> NthDegree: apparently Quiznos does.
[12:54] <Quiznos> shik4nt4z4 idears for amending sbopkg are being rejected and others here are protesting too damn much
[12:54] <eviljames> Quiznos: I think you'll find that dep checking is a relatively well-debated and generally unpopular opinion.
[12:55] <Quiznos> it's not dep checking when scopkg finds a missing pkg that it wants
[12:55] <shik4nt4z4> Quiznos: amending?
[12:55] <eviljames> Quiznos: Not by way of groupthink, but by way of it is unneeded and often causes as many problems as it seeks to remedy.
[12:55] <fire|bird> because sbopkg IS NOT designed to do dep checking, nor is slackware at all, it was designed this way and will stay that way.
[12:55] <Quiznos> yea amending
[12:55] <chopp> Quiznos: ubuntu is over there --------->
[12:55] <Quiznos> shik4nt4z4 i do not say that sbopkg is broken; it's incomplete
[12:55] <eviljames> fire|bird: I don't know that you should be making predictive statements about the development of sbopkg unless you're actively developing it ;)
[12:55] <thumbs> Quiznos: how is it incomplete?
[12:55] <Quiznos> wow you people are really short-sighted
[12:55] <fire|bird> eviljames: yeah, I seen that after I typed, :P thanks.
[12:56] <fire|bird> wasn't thinking. :P
[12:56] <eviljames> fire|bird: hehe, just feeling pedantic this morning..
[12:56] Action: Necos pokes fire|bird in the eye
[12:56] Action: winterx feels compassion
[12:56] <Quiznos> thumbs it is a computer to work for US; not us for it. the scripts learns that a pkg is missing and notifies us.  scopkg should proceed according to user opts when called.  ask|continue|quit
[12:56] <thumbs> Quiznos: no.
[12:57] <Quiznos> if a full pkg name can be determined, then it should do what it does
[12:57] <thumbs> Quiznos: you should use debian if you want that behaviour.
[12:57] <Necos> lol
[12:57] <Quiznos> this is really lame guys
[12:57] <Necos> why is it?
[12:57] <thumbs> Quiznos: slackware assumes you know what you're doing.
[12:57] <winterx> Quiznos: lame is your hand hurting your dick atm
[12:57] <fire|bird> Necos: dang it, that was my one good eye, thanks alot you insensitive clod. :P
[12:57] <Necos> if you want hand-holding, use another distro...
[12:57] <thumbs> Quiznos: that includes maintaining system libraries, and dependencies
[12:57] <Quiznos> bc what I'm suggesting is a logical step in the progression of what sbopkg does
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[12:58] <NthDegree> Quiznos, we don't want dependency resolution
[12:58] <thumbs> Quiznos: you're mistaken.
[12:58] <jeev> Necos, you're alive
[12:58] <Necos> fire|bird: i'm recovering from an inflamed left iris... i only have 1 good eye :P
[12:58] <Quiznos> and why should sbopkg be a help instead of faultering and doing half the job?
[12:58] <thumbs> Quiznos: it's a step backwards.
[12:58] <Quiznos> no it's not
[12:58] <eviljames> I was trying to be slightly more politically correct than that, but thumbs is pretty much summarizing my thoughts on the matter.
[12:58] <Quiznos> wow this is really a great disappoint
[12:58] <Quiznos> wow
[12:58] <Quiznos> i'm stunned
[12:58] <fire|bird> Necos: seriously? sorry. :P
[12:58] <thumbs> Quiznos: so says the folks who depends on package managers to do their jobs.
[12:58] <NthDegree> Quiznos, we want Slackware not to have dependency resolution; everyone who uses this distro knows this
[12:58] <winterx> Quiznos: #trolls
[12:58] <Necos> Quiznos: it's not disappointing at all... this is what the slackware community wanted
[12:59] <Necos> sorry it doesn't match your debian-like mentality
[12:59] <Necos> move on ^_^
[12:59] <shik4nt4z4> Maybe channel operator should ban somebody here for flames!?
[12:59] <Quiznos> no; we want what Pat has worked on.  everything else should promote this;  nothing should prevent us from writing good and complete sw to help.
[12:59] <fire|bird> flames?
[12:59] Action: fire|bird gets fire extinguisher.
[12:59] <dive> Quiznos, you can read which other packages are required in the README.
[12:59] <eviljames> Quiznos: Slackware, imho, is damn near perfect as is.  If it went the way of debian, I would fork it myself.
[12:59] <Necos> pat never worked on dep-checking
[12:59] <thumbs> Quiznos: I still think automatic dependency resolution is a bad idea.
[12:59] <eviljames> ++thumbs;
[13:00] <winterx> i dont, but the rest is ok
[13:00] <shik4nt4z4> Quiznos: You don't like? Make your own slackware distro? Pat made a really great job. What have you done?
[13:00] <Quiznos> opinions, as always, are respected; i think you're missing the boat tho
[13:00] <thumbs> Quiznos: am I?
[13:00] <Necos> Quiznos: no, actually, you are ^_^
[13:00] <thrice`> no, you are Quiznos
[13:00] <eviljames> Quiznos: nah, we're piloting our own ship.
[13:00] <winterx> thumbs: because since i'm on slackware i dont have to care about my os
[13:00] <Quiznos> well that's not right
[13:00] <thrice`> slackware's lack of dependency tracking is by DESIGN
[13:00] <thumbs> winterx: pardon me?
[13:00] <winterx> np
[13:01] <Necos> winterx: he means to say... "wtf are you talking about?"
[13:01] <thumbs> winterx: can you rephrase that into a legible sentence?
[13:01] <eviljames> Quiznos: You're welcome to come aboard.
[13:01] <winterx> i can
[13:01] <winterx> since i'm using slackware i dont have to care about my os too much
[13:01] <Quiznos> eviljames i prefer to be able to evaluate conditions and situations myself.
[13:01] <eviljames> That's great!
[13:01] <thumbs> winterx: since you're using slackware, you're expected to know how it works.
[13:01] <Quiznos> i dont do well at all in mob rule.
[13:01] <eviljames> Quiznos: That's precisely the nature of Slackware - and an argument against automated depedency checking.
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[13:02] <thumbs> winterx: that means fixing dependencies yourself.
[13:02] <winterx> and slapt-get helps helps with it a lot
[13:02] <missyjane> morning guys
[13:02] <Quiznos> James, i've been using Slackware since 1995. i'm well aware.
[13:02] <thumbs> winterx: why am I not surprised you're using slapt-get?
[13:02] <dive> morning missyjane
[13:02] <Quiznos> i disagree that the nature refuses augmentation to complete
[13:02] <fire|bird> greetings missyjane
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[13:02] <winterx> because it's good
[13:02] <shik4nt4z4> missyjane: Hello!
[13:02] <Quiznos> a good idea must spread around
[13:02] <thrice`> it's NOT a good idea
[13:02] <eviljames> Quiznos: automated depedency tracking has spread all over the place - and it's a plague.
[13:02] <Quiznos> i disagree
[13:02] <winterx> that's retarded
[13:02] <thumbs> winterx: you're mistaken. It's an extremely dangerous tool.
[13:02] <missyjane> dive, fire|bird do you guys ever wake up in the WEIRDEST sleeping position???
[13:03] <dive> nope
[13:03] <Quiznos> you guys are giving too much credit to sbopkg and what it naturally provides
[13:03] <shik4nt4z4> Quiznos: Go and spread your idea somewhere else!!!
[13:03] <fire|bird> missyjane: no
[13:03] <winterx> os is not for loving it all the time like gentoo
[13:03] <fire|bird> missyjane: do you?
[13:03] <thrice`> you are confusing what you think is proper, with what Pat has decided, and will not budge on.  we use it because we agree with him.  If you don't, try one of the other hundred distros that will fit your need
[13:03] <missyjane> damnit
[13:03] <winterx> it has to serve
[13:03] <missyjane> fire|bird, yes just like 1 min ago
[13:03] <fire|bird> haha
[13:03] <missyjane> i was like "who the **** moved me"
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[13:03] <fire|bird> lol
[13:03] <Necos> lol missyjane
[13:03] <thumbs> winterx: I don't think you should be using slackware.
[13:03] <thrice`> PS, you're not the first "OMG SLACKWARE LACKZ BASICS" troll Quiznos
[13:04] <winterx> thumbs: i'm using it, i will use it and i'm happy with it
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[13:04] <fire|bird> thrice`: nope, there's been many before him and will be many after him. :P
[13:04] <shik4nt4z4> What is the point of dependency check?!?!
[13:04] <missyjane> thrice`, i dont th ink Quiznos is a troll, i talked to him yesterday in pm, he seems sincere
[13:04] <thumbs> winterx: then learn how to install dependencies, and don't use slapt-get
[13:04] <StasiProto> automatic ./configure;make;make install is a plague and has spread everywhere
[13:05] <fire|bird> missyjane: so how'd you wake up  then, in the shape of a pretzel or something odd? :P
[13:05] <Quiznos> sincerity is no guarantee for the truth.
[13:05] <winterx> i really dont care, i prefere to learn cpp or python instead
[13:05] <missyjane> fire|bird, my legs were bow legged
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[13:05] <Quiznos> missyjane but thank you
[13:05] <dive> o0
[13:05] <Necos> O.o
[13:05] <thumbs> missyjane: however, his current argumentation is borderline trollish.
[13:05] <fire|bird> missyjane: hahaha, did they straighten out? :P
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[13:06] <fire|bird> greetings alisonken1church
[13:06] <thumbs> winterx: then good luck when your system breaks
[13:06] <thumbs> greetings fire|bird
[13:06] <thrice`> people think that dependency checking is some extremely complex addition that Pat hasn't figured out
[13:06] <Quiznos> yea, anything that kicks up the ire of the regulars here is called "trollish"
[13:06] <fire|bird> hey thumbs, how goes?
[13:06] <missyjane> fire|bird, when i got up :o i triple checked to make sure nobody touched me
[13:06] <thumbs> fire|bird: not bad
[13:06] <dive> Quiznos, slackware is made for simplicity. Period.
[13:06] <alisonken1church> fire|bird: greetings
[13:06] <thrice`> Quiznos: no, "slackware should check dependencies" is trollish
[13:06] <missyjane> thumbs, i just got in so dont know what arguments he made, can you sum it up for mme?
[13:06] <fire|bird> thumbs: I got my laptop working now. It's great. :)
[13:06] <missyjane> hi alisonken1church
[13:06] <Quiznos> dive user since 1995 here
[13:06] <eviljames> dive: Disagree - Slackware is pretty much ultimately simple.
[13:07] <alisonken1church> morning missyjane
[13:07] <Necos> missyjane: you need to ummm... lock yourself away lol
[13:07] <winterx> thumbs: you cannot handle everything
[13:07] <thumbs> missyjane: "sbopkg has no dependency resolution, therefore it's incomplete. Slackware should do so too"
[13:07] <thrice`> I wouldn't boast your "1995 user;" it suggests that you are a VERY slow learner
[13:07] <thumbs> winterx: I can.
[13:07] <Quiznos> i cant write anymore; ignore me.
[13:07] <winterx> haha
[13:07] <eviljames> thumbs: I don't think that Quiznos was saying that slackware should do dep resolution, only sbopkg.
[13:07] <thumbs> fire|bird: congrats
[13:07] <winterx> that was i nice onew
[13:07] <jeev> will sbopkg ever do binaries ?
[13:07] <eviljames> Unless I missed something in the debate, but it does nothing to conflate his argument.
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[13:08] <fire|bird> thumbs: the processor was smothered with thermal paste, it was even on the pins. :P different processor in there and all is well.
[13:08] <missyjane> Necos, no im just a nympho
[13:08] <thrice`> sbopkg has a queue system, which should be plenty
[13:08] <Necos> eviljames: which only makes the argument worse, as you said
[13:08] <thumbs> jeev: no, since slackbuilds.org does not office direct binary downloads.
[13:08] <jeev> hmm
[13:08] <Necos> missyjane: lol, damn...
[13:08] <thumbs> fire|bird: I fixed one like that recently.
[13:08] <Quiznos> eviljames YES YES YES
[13:08] <jeev> lets use Necos's work connection to serve downloads
[13:08] <Quiznos> i was *ONLY* talking about sbopkg
[13:08] <fire|bird> thumbs: That can sure throw the laptop for a loop of beeps and whatnot. :P
[13:08] <thumbs> fire|bird: there was half a tube of paste on the processor.
[13:08] <thumbs> fire|bird: literally.
[13:08] <Quiznos> wth is hivelcity?
[13:09] <Quiznos> wth is hivelocity?
[13:09] <eviljames> Quiznos: I still disagree, but as I said before I don't use sbopkg.  I'm very much of the mind that it is the admin's responsibility to know what they are installing and what it needs to build/run properly.
[13:09] <Quiznos> where's the srcforge url kept
[13:09] <fire|bird> thumbs: yeah, that's about what this was, it was a mess, it was literally stuck to the heatsink so that when I took that out, the processor came with it.
[13:09] <thumbs> fire|bird: the processor was a big blog of paste.
[13:09] <thumbs> fire|bird: haha
[13:09] <thrice`> jeev: yeah, a connection from one of your servers would be too unstable/unreliable
[13:09] <Quiznos> eviljames i've done that since 1995, why cant I have a completely fleshed-out script that does the right thing the right way?
[13:09] <fire|bird> thumbs: I don't know who put that one in there, but they had no idea how to apply thermal paste, sometimes *less* is more. :P
[13:09] <thumbs> fire|bird: fix my toshiba now :)
[13:10] <eviljames> Quiznos: You can.  Aptitude.
[13:10] <Quiznos> it's fucking time to grow up and finish the tools we have
[13:10] <Quiznos> what's that?
[13:10] <thrice`> it's time that you switched fucking distros
[13:10] <eviljames> The tools are complete.
[13:10] <thumbs> Quiznos: your way is not the right way.
[13:10] <thrice`> everyone else thinks its fine
[13:10] <Quiznos> it's also not the only way
[13:10] <fire|bird> thumbs: haha, I wish I could think of how to fix it, that is a baffling problem.
[13:10] <thumbs> Quiznos: it's the way Pat intended it.
[13:10] <Quiznos> i jsut want good ware that is complete
[13:10] <thumbs> fire|bird: :(
[13:10] <thumbs> Quiznos: sbopkg is complete.
[13:10] <Quiznos> i'm not talking about the way Pat does things.
[13:10] <thrice`> Quiznos: then switch distros
[13:10] <Quiznos> i'm talking about sbopkg
[13:11] <fire|bird> thumbs: I searched and searched about that, but it got to so I didn't find any more info for it. :P
[13:11] <thumbs> Quiznos: use debian or even better, ubuntu
[13:11] <eviljames> sbopkg is not a Slackware tool, afaik.
[13:11] <thrice`> if you've used slackware for 14 years, it proves you are retarded for not having figured it out yet
[13:11] <Necos> but sbopkg is an extention of the slackware mentality... so in effect, you're also criticizing slackware
[13:11] <thumbs> Quiznos: I think ubuntu would suit you very well.
[13:11] <spook> sbopkg is 3rd party, and uses slackbuilds.org
[13:11] <eviljames> Ok, anybody prepared for a heart attack?
[13:12] <eviljames> Trolling or not, flaming may not be the best response.
[13:12] <eviljames> There - I said it.
[13:12] <winterx> noone expects a heart attack
[13:12] <thrice`> paying him ANY response is not the best response
[13:12] Action: agentc0re|work grabs chest...
[13:12] <Quiznos> i'm not the one flaming here.
[13:12] <thumbs> thrice`++
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[13:12] <jeev> hahaha thrice`, i just saw that
[13:13] <jeev> what an asshole!
[13:13] <thrice`> lol
[13:13] <jeev> my servers are stable. my customers are not!
[13:13] <eviljames> bahahah jeev SO TRUE.
[13:13] <thrice`> right, right
[13:13] <jeev> some jerk off had some bad php and found some backdoor php's and shit
[13:13] <jeev> thank god i was watching maillog due to spam complaint
[13:13] <jeev> i saw more flying out so i checked acl and saw it
[13:13] <jeev> bastages.
[13:13] <jeev> i need to learn to jail in freebsd
[13:14] <Necos> lol
[13:14] <thumbs> I'm glad this debate is over.
[13:14] <shik4nt4z4> Oh GOD, me too!
[13:15] <winterx> what depate? slapt-get owns and that's final
[13:15] <StasiProto> mmmm coopers premium lager
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[13:15] <StasiProto> SWARET FTW
[13:15] <missyjane> im seriously glad you guys never wake up in the worst and weirdest position possible
[13:15] <eviljames> winterx: your troll-fu is strong! :P
[13:15] <agentc0re|work> slackpkg uninstall idiots
[13:16] <agentc0re|work> Hrm... This is going to take a while..
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[13:16] <StasiProto> ive been using slackware for 10+ years and i just used slackpkg for the first time a few days ago
[13:16] <StasiProto> just to get updates, everything else i still do by hand
[13:16] <jeev> lets all meet in Winterax Hold
[13:16] <StasiProto> so when s omething breaks i have to learn and can only blame myself and not some idiot on the internet
[13:16] <missyjane> lol warhammer fan too?
[13:16] <shik4nt4z4> I never use slackpkg, but maybe for next system wide update.
[13:17] <winterx> people say that i'm from uranus
[13:17] <jeev> what's warhammer
[13:17] <StasiProto> a dead mmo
[13:17] <missyjane> when something goes wrong, i blame StasiProto
[13:17] <jeev> ahh
[13:17] <agentc0re|work> winterx: I wondered why you smelled funny.  :P
[13:17] <jeev> isn't winterax hold from wow ?
[13:17] <missyjane> no
[13:17] <missyjane> warcraft stole from warhammer
[13:17] <StasiProto> missyjane, but i make it a point not to contribute
[13:17] <missyjane> StasiProto, its your fault, ALWAYS
[13:17] <StasiProto> if it breaks its your fault
[13:18] <missyjane> when food goes bad, YOUR FAULT, when i wake up in the wrong position, YOUR FAULT, when i run out of hot water in the shower, YOUR FAULT
[13:18] <missyjane> its always somebodys fault, never mine
[13:18] <missyjane> :)
[13:18] <i_is_cat> warhammer 40k beeches!#21
[13:18] <StasiProto> missyjane, ill show you the right position
[13:18] <shik4nt4z4> Wow, these debates are so wise!!!
[13:18] <missyjane> i_is_cat, sister of battle fan too
[13:18] <winterx> wfrp 1st ed bithes!
[13:19] <i_is_cat> watch me sink $15,000 into $50 worth of plastic and pewter! i am the cools!
[13:19] <missyjane> D:
[13:19] <StasiProto> mmortards
[13:19] <missyjane> who does that?
[13:19] <missyjane> i_is_cat> watch me sink $15,000 into $50 worth of plastic and pewter! i am the cools!
[13:19] <missyjane> nobody buys thost models
[13:19] <missyjane> at least not in $15,000
[13:19] <i_is_cat> haha they add up fast
[13:20] <missyjane> at most, $100, absolutely at most, which are about the same cost as legos
[13:20] <i_is_cat> i was 14 with no job and spent $700 on the ork stuff only to have my friends suddenly go "oh we wanna play necrons now"
[13:20] <missyjane> no, even the geekist guy i met that loved warhammer (and has read all the books, etc) only had about $100 at most
[13:20] <i_is_cat> wooo what a waste
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[13:20] <missyjane> lol why did you ONLY buy ork stuff? you were supposed to buy a little of everything
[13:20] <StasiProto> i_is_cat, sheeple
[13:20] <missyjane> you read the army books, then you decide the army you want to make, then you go from there
[13:21] <missyjane> or you only bought the little models and didnt read anything? lol
[13:21] <i_is_cat> it was the ork set with multiple armies and additions, vehicles etc
[13:21] <i_is_cat> i had lots of stuff
[13:21] <StasiProto> my god some nerds!
[13:21] <i_is_cat> if it wasnt so expensive i'd still be buying it just not to play.. i had more fun customizing and painting them
[13:21] <winterx> there are no nerds in europe
[13:21] <slackytude> O_o
[13:21] <StasiProto> just ugly people
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[13:22] <slackytude> must have stumbled in #warhammer
[13:22] <missyjane> lol
[13:22] <StasiProto> woot bubonic plague break out
[13:22] <StasiProto> in china
[13:22] <i_is_cat> haha bubonic
[13:22] Action: missyjane points at slackytude 
[13:22] <slackytude> thats bad
[13:22] <missyjane> StasiProto, link?
[13:22] <i_is_cat> theres a headshop across the street called the bubonik kronik
[13:22] <StasiProto> i just saw it on presstv
[13:22] <slackytude> missyjane, what yer pointing at?
[13:22] <eviljames> Coming signs of the rapture?
[13:23] <missyjane> hehehe
[13:23] <StasiProto> crapture
[13:23] Nick change: shik4nt4z4 -> m4lik
[13:23] <slackytude> as long as the plague isnt resitent against anti biotic
[13:23] <slackytude> if it is, that might be bad
[13:23] <slackytude> if it is true at all
[13:23] <StasiProto> who cares, as long as you stay away from human filth
[13:24] <eviljames> We all know what's going to happen.
[13:24] <StasiProto> god is a eugenicist
[13:24] <eviljames> The Chinese government is going to quarantine the village, everyone will die, it won't be reported by xinhua, life in the rest of the world will continue as usual.
[13:24] <slackytude> sounds like a plan
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[13:24] <StasiProto> china should feed their corpses to shiprats
[13:25] <jeev> thrice, that's your old quit message
[13:25] <StasiProto> and distribute the rats amongst their ports
[13:25] <jeev> tell me about instability
[13:26] <i_is_cat> you wanna know about instability? :O tryin building scaffolding!
[13:26] <StasiProto> no
[13:26] <StasiProto> u
[13:26] <i_is_cat> chicken
[13:26] <i_is_cat> i did
[13:26] <i_is_cat> scary shit
[13:26] <StasiProto> Turn 35: Planet D has held against an attack from Comp3.
[13:26] <i_is_cat> bad enough just being on scaffolding, when you're building it you KNOW its not safe
[13:27] <jeev> lol i_is_cat, i try to stay away from construction
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[13:27] <i_is_cat> jeev, you and me both
[13:27] <i_is_cat> was good money under the table at the time tho
[13:27] <StasiProto> you wanna know about instability? look at humanity
[13:27] <jeev> now let me know where that bad scaffolding is and i will gladly push most people from here off of it
[13:27] <Artarian> can somebody tell me how can i monitor process using snmp? pure snmp(no cacti nagios, etc.)
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[13:28] <ananke> Artarian : snmpget
[13:28] <ananke> although if you can't figure that out, you _should_ be using mrtg/cacti/nagios
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[13:29] <StasiProto> i keep forgetting people actually use computers to do work
[13:30] <missyjane> i always know 90% of time its a male behind a computer
[13:30] <jeev> Artarian, probably have to script it to show you process info
[13:30] <jeev> snmpwalk and see if it's giving you the right output then ether use mrtg or something else
[13:30] <thrice`> jeev: working for freenode now?
[13:30] <thrice`> then they'll truly be hurting
[13:30] <jeev> lol
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[13:31] <Artarian> ananke are you 100% sure that i can get process information from snmpget
[13:31] <ananke> Artarian : i never said that.
[13:31] <Artarian> lol, i hvent said you did.
[13:31] <ananke> Artarian : snmpget is what you'd use, if something _was_ providing that information via snmp
[13:32] <Necos> why wouldn't you use something like nagios anywho? or at least an SNMP module in perl or something...
[13:32] <slackytude> missyjane, more like 99%
[13:32] <StasiProto> women aren't smart enough to use computers
[13:32] <StasiProto> except ugly ones
[13:33] <missyjane> slackytude, not otrue
[13:33] <Artarian> Necos thats the big deal, i want to use a shell script to output everything automatically through email something really simple, i am already doing snmpnetstat, i wish i could have snmpsaux
[13:33] <jeev> right now there are some hot girls wearing skirts with their vajaja's visible to their desktop computers
[13:33] <jeev> and we're sitting here talking about sbopkg
[13:33] <missyjane> StasiProto, rofl ok :)
[13:33] <StasiProto> what is vajaja
[13:34] <spook> missyjane: soup
[13:34] <jeev> vajayjay
[13:34] <StasiProto> jeev, you have too much faith in humanity
[13:34] <slackytude> missyjane, on irc, not on the other internets, maybe
[13:34] <missyjane> lol internets (sic)
[13:34] <missyjane> jeev, exactly
[13:34] <missyjane> :)
[13:35] <StasiProto> computer girls have massive bushes
[13:35] <spook> lol.
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[13:35] Action: spook knows that isnts true
[13:35] <eviljames> yeah, that one was chuckleworthy++
[13:35] <missyjane> StasiProto, vagina
[13:35] Action: eviljames grabs the microphone
[13:35] <eviljames> Attention customers:  Testicles.  That is all.
[13:36] <StasiProto> what about boobs
[13:36] <missyjane> StasiProto, again untrue, mine is shaved
[13:36] <missyjane> spook hi
[13:36] <StasiProto> missyjane, you are ugg
[13:36] <eviljames> StasiProto: I think I watch entirely too much Family Guy
[13:36] <spook> missyjane: g'day
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[13:36] <jeev> missyjane, i dont think you should be getting everyone here excited right now
[13:36] <StasiProto> eviljames, family guy is for stoners
[13:36] <jeev> i think i wouldn't be the first one to request images.
[13:36] <jeev> family guy is funny but weird
[13:36] <StasiProto> pics or it didnt happen
[13:36] <StasiProto> show me the clam
[13:37] <ananke> height of sophistication, just what you can expect here
[13:37] <missyjane> jeev i enjoy it :)
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[13:37] <missyjane> ananke, xD that was meant to you, sorry
[13:37] <dive> yeah family guy is pretty good
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[13:38] <dive> futurama too
[13:38] <StasiProto> 13:37
[13:38] <dive> south park
[13:38] <StasiProto> futurama < family guy < southpark < american dad
[13:38] <dive> [06:37]
[13:38] <StasiProto> all for stoner fucks
[13:39] <dive> <- not a stoner
[13:39] Action: fredoslack have tried KDE 4.3 
[13:39] <fredoslack> <3 <3
[13:39] <missyjane> you like it too right?
[13:39] <missyjane> I DEMAND KDE4
[13:39] <fredoslack> AIR is very beautiful :}
[13:39] <eviljames> StasiProto: I could care lessa bout the other shows
[13:39] <eviljames> StasiProto: But including Futurama in that is going WAY too far.  That show has some great physics/math jokes.  It's not their fault if you can't understand them.
[13:40] <StasiProto> im sure i can, im just too stoned
[13:40] <Quiznos> wow stiff wind in sw florida; much cooler now
[13:40] <StasiProto> i understand that steel structured buildings can get demolished from jet fuel
[13:40] <StasiProto> what more do you need to nkow
[13:40] <Quiznos> jet fuel doesnt burn that hot to melt steel
[13:41] <Quiznos> jet fuel is bbq fuel!
[13:41] <StasiProto> YOU SAY THE GOVT LIES?! BLASHPEMY
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[13:41] <Quiznos> no; people lie.
[13:41] <Quiznos> govt is a dead corporate fiction.
[13:41] <StasiProto> everytime i light my kerosene grill it melts
[13:41] <Quiznos> yea kerosene.
[13:41] <StasiProto> into a nice little pile
[13:41] <Quiznos> cooking fuel == jet fuel.
[13:42] <Quiznos> not steel melting fuel.
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[13:43] <StasiProto> Quiznos, well what about anti-gravity LAZORZZzz
[13:43] <Quiznos> something that pushes against an unknown power? no idear
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[13:43] <StasiProto> the inertial flux density dirac-delta function...god im stoned
[13:44] <Quiznos> wow it's damned nice outside
[13:44] <slackytude> that engine in my carmelted as well
[13:44] <slackytude> cos of the fue
[13:44] <Quiznos> wth am i doin hanging with you clowns?
[13:44] <slackytude> l
[13:44] <missyjane> i only wish that smart people were more social, thats all
[13:44] <missyjane> like folks in here
[13:44] <StasiProto> missyjane, im social on the internet, but i wont talk to normal retards
[13:44] <StasiProto> i just ignore them in real life
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[13:46] <Quiznos> ooo tunder!!!
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[13:47] <eviljames> Quiznos: Sweet!  In midday?
[13:47] <Quiznos> yea; seasonal
[13:47] Action: slackytude can't dance but will do so after 4 beer or so
[13:47] Action: eviljames loves thunderstorms, but never gets to see them on the coast :(
[13:47] <Quiznos> hot wet, moderate seasons
[13:47] <Quiznos> hot/hot,/
[13:47] <eviljames> slackytude: hahah that's the reason my gf won't bring me to dance clubs anymore :P
[13:47] <slackytude> lol
[13:47] <eviljames> slackytude: because, also, instead of 4 it's closer to 15
[13:47] <StasiProto> i was going to make hard boiled eggs but my stove melted
[13:47] <jeev> your girlfriend goes to clubs without you?
[13:47] <jeev> wow!
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[13:48] <slackytude> eviljames, yeah, 4 is kinda underestimating it
[13:48] <jeev> my girlfriend would never dare doing such a whore act of even going to a club
[13:48] <Quiznos> it's currently cloudy and windy; my windows are open wide and there's a stiff breeze in here.
[13:48] <slackytude> jeev, O_o
[13:48] <eviljames> jeev: hahah, not everyone believes women are cattle.
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[13:48] <slackytude> jeev, careful
[13:48] <jeev> eviljames, my girl is more important to me than anything
[13:48] <jeev> she has no reason at a club, it was her decision and it was a good one
[13:48] <jeev> and she's never been either
[13:49] <StasiProto> she's a muslim!
[13:49] <jeev> she doesn't have to go search for penis, when she's ready.. it's right here
[13:49] <jeev> no she's a christian
[13:49] <missyjane> i kinda agree with jeev, women shouldnt be clubbing if she has a boyfriend or husband
[13:49] <StasiProto> there is a difference?
[13:49] <jeev> StasiProto, not really ;)
[13:49] <missyjane> theres a lot of temptation to cheat when there are tons of hot men
[13:49] <jeev> a woman goes clubbing for p3n1x and for christ sake, thrice may be ther
[13:49] <Quiznos> missyjane sounds biased
[13:49] <jeev> is that what you want out of your life ? for thrice to get lucky with your girl? I THINK NOT
[13:49] <hiptobecubic> Anyone using tsocks? It's a socksifier for your tcp/ip stack but I can't get it to point to /usr/lib64 instead of /usr/lib. I compiled it with --libdir=/usr/lib64 but something else must be telling it to look in usr/lib
[13:50] <slackytude> eviljames, dont start
[13:50] <eviljames> slackytude: Believe me, I'm not interested in this idiotic line of statements.
[13:51] <missyjane> Quiznos, me? biased? im a bi, of course im biased
[13:51] <missyjane> :)
[13:51] <DebiEA> I don't bring my gf to the club... Who knows, I might find someone even better.. Just kidding but really, sometimes you don't want to go out as "The couple" even if you're not not looking for anything it's nice to "look" single time to time..
[13:51] <Quiznos> ok
[13:51] <StasiProto> bi-tch?
[13:51] <jeev> he said i consider women cattle and says my statement was idiotic
[13:51] <missyjane> but i do believe women shouldnt be clubbing or bar-hopping if she is taken, usually she does that to cheat
[13:51] <jeev> talk about contradiction
[13:51] <StasiProto> ohhh bi-assed
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[13:51] <Quiznos> jeev the word is "shiksa"
[13:51] <jeev> StasiProto, bi asses are good.
[13:52] <Quiznos> not a kind word at all
[13:52] <StasiProto> better than a tri-ass
[13:52] <jeev> DebiEA, looking single from time to time = looking for ass
[13:52] <StasiProto> 3 cheeks is just dumb
[13:52] <jeev> 3 cheeks is difficult, you have to go downtown to find underwearz
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[13:54] <slackytude> so, anyway, slackware is pretty cool, huh
[13:54] <slackytude> yo fire|bird
[13:54] <eviljames> I agree, slackytude!
[13:54] <StasiProto> slackware is too easy!
[13:54] <StasiProto> lets complicate it with slackbuilds
[13:54] <jeev> so are girls at clubs
[13:54] Action: jeev coughs
[13:54] <StasiProto> and dependency resolution!
[13:55] <Quiznos> too bad sbopkg isnt better parallelised (wget list) ; (makepkgs)
[13:55] <eviljames> haw haw, twitter is being sued for patent infringement!
[13:55] <slackytude> read that
[13:55] <jeev> i hope twitter burns to hell
[13:56] <eviljames> The joke in the /. article is pretty good: "you'd think the plaintiff would at least wait for Twitter to make money before striking."
[13:56] <slackytude> Quiznos, no, but the actual build can be easily parallelised
[13:56] <StasiProto> how do you sue the cia
[13:56] <guax> rworkman, how long for kde 4.3? =D
[13:56] <Quiznos> administratively
[13:56] <slackytude> Quiznos, which usually takes way more time than the wget part
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[13:57] <StasiProto> convenience is a plague
[13:57] <StasiProto> makes people lemmings
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[14:00] <StasiProto> is there a good way to break up boards with rusty nails that came from a pallete....
[14:00] <Quiznos> rm nails 1st
[14:00] <StasiProto> booo
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[14:02] <Quiznos> well, sbopkg didnt finish all
[14:02] <Quiznos> wget couldnt get all files
[14:02] <StasiProto> ROFL
[14:02] <Quiznos> i saw gcc errors and warnings
[14:02] <StasiProto> you'd be done already
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[14:02] <Quiznos> step on a nail
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[14:03] <StasiProto> i did yesterday
[14:03] <Quiznos> gone
[14:04] <init[1]|znc> hey why should normal users should have +r on /etc/{group,passwd} files
[14:05] <Kaapa> because doesn't matter
[14:05] <Kaapa> there's nothing important there
[14:05] <StasiProto> so programs can access the files
[14:05] <ananke> init[1]|znc : because they need to be able to read those files
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[14:05] <StasiProto> make it -r and see what breaks
[14:06] <init[1]|znc> :)
[14:06] <init[1]|znc> yea gona do that
[14:06] <slackytude> O_o
[14:06] <slackytude> have a boot cd ready
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[14:06] <init[1]|znc> :)
[14:06] <init[1]|znc> yea got cha
[14:06] <StasiProto> root can fix
[14:06] <slackytude> yeah, root should be able to
[14:06] <StasiProto> just start in single user
[14:06] <slackytude> but who knows
[14:06] <slackytude> might break bash
[14:07] <StasiProto> NOO
[14:07] <StasiProto> single init=/bin/busybox
[14:07] <ananke> nah, it won't break bash. it will just break mapping usernames/groupnames to uid/gids
[14:07] <ananke> and of course, it will break things for regular users
[14:07] <slackytude> Id still do that only if I knew I could boot from a recovery disk
[14:08] <panzer> Dominian: did not know you where a staffer though
[14:08] <ananke> i wouldn't do it period, because it's a dumb idea, but you don't need recovery disk to fix it
[14:08] <slackytude> well, I wouldnt do it either
[14:08] <StasiProto> i will
[14:09] <Dominian> panzer: that is pretty recent actally
[14:09] <StasiProto> now we know your real name
[14:09] <panzer> Dominian: after the recruitment of a few months ago?
[14:10] <Dominian> panzer: aye
[14:10] <StasiProto> google knows all about your pathetic life
[14:10] <panzer> you enjoy being staffer now?
[14:10] <missyjane> so now Dominian stalks meh D:
[14:10] <missyjane> i never knew either so um, grats
[14:11] <slackytude> my my, first a reverend, now staff. pope next?
[14:11] <StasiProto> big coincidence that the 3 girls on irc use girly name bait
[14:12] <thrice`> 2 girls, 1 guy ***
[14:12] <missyjane> haha
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[14:12] <SirBob> now people know im a dude!
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[14:13] <panzer> omg there is sex on irc
[14:13] <slackytude> no
[14:13] <panzer> like actually knowing the sex of people
[14:13] <SirBob> i use my name to attract ugly webtards
[14:13] <slackytude> ah
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[14:15] <SirBob> slackware is too stable
[14:15] <missyjane> nothing wrong with that
[14:15] <SirBob> its boring and predictable!
[14:16] <fire|bird> nothing wrong with that at all SirBob :)
[14:16] <init[1]|znc> btw, when its comes to hosting shells , wouldn't +r on /etc/{groups,passwd} be a security risk
[14:16] <eviljames> Yeah!  What's with the whole "uptime measured in mean time between failures" garbage?  Why can't we have more flaws?!
[14:16] <SirBob> init[1]|znc, no
[14:16] <spook> init[1]|znc: no.
[14:16] <spook> +r on /etc/shadow on the otherhand
[14:16] <slackytude> init[1]|znc, nope
[14:17] <slackytude> init[1]|znc, all the important stuff is in shadow
[14:17] <init[1]|znc> hmm,
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[14:18] <SirBob> i hope a polar bear kills al gore
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[14:19] <Necos> lol
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[14:19] <DeeeeP> anyone having Xorg crashes on current ?
[14:19] <ananke> DeeeeP : it seems that plenty of people with intel cards are experiencing that issue
[14:20] <DeeeeP> nvidia here
[14:20] <DeeeeP> log doesnt say much
[14:20] <antiwire> nope
[14:20] <alienBOB> I hope Al Gore will be the next US president
[14:20] <missyjane> nvidia too, that means its a good thing i have not made the jump to current despite what ppl said
[14:20] <SirBob> nvidia usually makes me hardlock befoer it crashes xorg
[14:20] <missyjane> alienBOB, why?
[14:20] <SirBob> al gore cant be president
[14:20] <SirBob> he's been knighted
[14:20] <alienBOB> Because he woke the US up
[14:21] <SirBob> woke us up to his carbon trading scam
[14:21] <Necos> alienBOB: or it was at least a good illusion lol
[14:21] <alienBOB> SirBob: you have not, so get rid of the nick
[14:21] <SirBob> and the fact that ethanol production makes more greenhouse gasses
[14:21] <DeeeeP> so im screwed with sorg
[14:21] <DeeeeP> xorg *
[14:21] <Necos> i'm using xorg-server 1.5 >.>
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[14:21] <Necos> but that's because i'm using radeonhd 1.2.5
[14:21] <alienBOB> Even if he is misguided at some points, overall he has made a positive  impression on the world
[14:22] <SirBob> alienBOB, positive impression on his pocket book
[14:22] <Necos> alienBOB: agreed, altho he'll be passed off as a tree-hugger
[14:22] <SirBob> he's a charlatan
[14:22] <Necos> brb
[14:22] <alienBOB> DeeeeP: did you try rworkman's updated packages for xorg yet?
[14:22] <DeeeeP> no i didnt
[14:23] <alienBOB> I assume that they _will_ help you get rid of the crashes
[14:23] <SirBob> nothing more than a fear mongering doomsaying world government shill
[14:23] <antiwire> Is the netdev group explained in any documentation yet?
[14:23] <alienBOB> antiwire: netdev is a -current thing antiwire
[14:23] <mancha> don't forget - he also invented the internet
[14:23] <alienBOB> If you run -current, you have to know what you are doing
[14:24] <antiwire> thanks
[14:24] <SirBob> dont forget water vapor is 70% of greenhouse gas, and co2 is 2%
[14:24] <ananke> mancha : yeah. nothing like perpetuating urban legends
[14:24] <slackytude> netdev?
[14:24] <alienBOB> SirBob: FYI, I am not going to discuss this further with you
[14:24] <DeeeeP> alienBOB, where are rworkman packages ?
[14:24] <Quiznos> co2 is actually less than 1% constituient of all atmospheric gases
[14:24] <alienBOB> Take it outside this channel if you wish, not here though
[14:24] <fire|bird> slackytude: a new group, it was mentioned in the current changelogs. :)
[14:24] <alienBOB> DeeeeP: Iiiiiiiiiiiii'll look
[14:25] <slackytude> fire|bird, thx
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[14:25] <fire|bird> yw
[14:25] <alienBOB> But DeeeeP, you may want to wait a wee bit more for Slackware's next update
[14:25] <thrice`> DeeeeP: I think rsync://rlworkman.net/xorg-temp/  or so
[14:25] <SirBob> Quiznos, global warming ERrrr climate change is a religion...they usurped the environmentalist movement and will now pay 3rd world countries money to NOT DEVELOP (so the poor will keep burning down their forests and crap)
[14:25] <bee_bee> anyone use VB with slackbuilds  ?
[14:25] <DeeeeP> ok ill wait
[14:25] <agentc0re|work> antiwire: http://astronomynow.com/news/n0907/29betel/
[14:26] <mancha> is xorg going to be havily patched (not vanilla upstram sources)?
[14:26] <fire|bird> y0 agentc0re|work, how's it going?
[14:26] <thrice`> mancha: no, not much patching at all
[14:26] <bee_bee> Starting VirtualBox Additions ...fail! (modprobe vboxadd failed)
[14:26] <agentc0re|work> fire|bird: Bleh.. Thats all i can say.
[14:26] <mancha> so these crashes people are talking about are happening at the upstream level?
[14:27] <bee_bee> is the error i get
[14:27] <agentc0re|work> fire|bird: My brain hurts..
[14:27] <Quiznos> SirBob yep
[14:27] <fire|bird> agentc0re|work: wow, that good eh? :P
[14:27] <SirBob> bee_bee, lol
[14:27] <agentc0re|work> fire|bird: Guess that's what happens when i try to use it huh? ;)
[14:27] <bee_bee> what have i done wrong bob ?
[14:27] <alienBOB> Quiznos SirBob - take the OT talk somewhere else please - this is a Slackware help channel
[14:27] <SirBob> bee_bee, sh VirtualBox-blah.run;VirtualBox
[14:27] <Quiznos> SirBob The religion of unbelievers and uninformed
[14:27] <fire|bird> agentc0re|work: yup, especially when there's nothing in there, it strains itself looking for what's not there. :P
[14:27] <Quiznos> SirBob so is slackware a religion of believers or no?
[14:27] <Quiznos> :)
[14:27] <thrice`> mancha: kinda; slack -current runs an older kernel than intel guys recommend
[14:28] <bee_bee> bob i did it slackbuilds
[14:28] <thrice`> typically, the newer the stuff, the better it works with regards to intel
[14:28] <SirBob> Quiznos, people still fall for the Big Lie because they are trendsters
[14:28] <Quiznos> SirBob yea like writing incomplete slackwarish scripts
[14:28] <SirBob> bee_bee, so instead of 2 minutes you spend 2 days?
[14:28] <mancha> and what does "rworkman's" xorgmean?
[14:29] <eviljames> mancha: rworkman posted some updated xorg packages on linuxquestions.org
[14:29] <thrice`> just that he has slightly more up-to-date stuff (mainly mesa) than what is in -current
[14:29] <bee_bee> 2 days ?
[14:29] <eviljames> mancha: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/?
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[14:29] <mancha> ah ok. version issues then, i thought patches.
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[14:29] <agentc0re|work> fire|bird: find . -name *   **Error:  IO-CTRL failure
[14:30] <antiwire> alienBOB: I was asking if that group has been documented yet. I didn't ask what that group was for.
[14:30] <fire|bird> haha
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[14:30] <bee_bee> 2 mins to sh VirtualBox-blah.run would have been quicker ?
[14:30] <SirBob> bee_bee, i told you yesterday
[14:30] <eviljames> Quiznos, SirBob ##slackofftopic is specifically for OT talk :D
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[14:31] <SirBob> eviljames, everytime someone gets offtopic from now on, im going to spam them with offtopic warnings
[14:31] <SirBob> cuz im righteous
[14:31] <bee_bee> ok so the deps you use slackbuilds ?
[14:31] <SirBob> there are no deps needed doooooooooode
[14:31] <SirBob> its called a STATICIALLY LINKED BINARY
[14:32] <alienBOB> No need to shout
[14:32] <eviljames> SirBob: It's a little different when alienBOB says it. :P
[14:32] <alienBOB> antiwire: I think that indeed, the only place netdev is documented is in the ChangeLog and inside the scripts
[14:32] <SirBob> eviljames, never seen him say it to himself
[14:32] <bee_bee> so a full install of slack i just need the *.run file SirBob  ?
[14:33] <SirBob> yes
[14:33] <antiwire> alienBOB: OK, I saw what is said about in the hal.conf and Changelog.
[14:33] <eviljames> SirBob: He doesn't have to, he's beautiful!
[14:33] <mancha> i did osme X patching, namely priv issues
[14:33] <bee_bee> oh right sorry ...i got alot of advice from a few people SirBob
[14:33] <SirBob> bee_bee, http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.0.4/VirtualBox-3.0.4-50677-Linux_x86.run
[14:34] <SirBob> then sh the .run as root, then run VirtualBox as your user
[14:34] <SirBob> thats it...no slackbuild pud pulling needed
[14:34] <bee_bee> ok ill do that thanks
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[14:35] <bee_bee> oh i remember you know lol
[14:35] <StasiProto> in 3 minutes you will know why i said everyone else is a MORON
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[14:36] <agentc0re|work> StasiProto: How many minutes is that for me if i am on the opposite side of the timecube from you?
[14:36] <bee_bee> yeah making things over compicated
[14:36] <agentc0re|work> eviljames: :D
[14:36] <bee_bee> comlicated*
[14:36] <bee_bee> or something like that
[14:37] <thrice`> there is nothing wrong with packaging openbox
[14:37] <thrice`> er, virtualbox
[14:37] <StasiProto> telling a noob to do it and then not handholding him is just a dick move
[14:37] <StasiProto> when it takes 2 minuets to do it the "OMG DIRTY BROKEN SYSTEM WAY"
[14:37] <straterra> It's not a dick move. It's the proper way
[14:37] <bee_bee> lol
[14:37] <eviljames> That's not a dick move at all.  Everyone has to learn sooner or later.
[14:37] <thrice`> learning to package is proper
[14:38] <eviljames> At least, if they want to be successful.
[14:38] <alienBOB> StasiProto: you are becoming increasingly obnoxious
[14:38] <alienBOB> Why?
[14:38] <straterra> And moronic
[14:38] <StasiProto> because i predicted it taking a day yesterday due to their advice and they didnt help him at all
[14:39] <StasiProto> if thats how you want to treat your peers, might as well let them break their system and learn the hardway without wasting their time fixing problems that dont exist yet
[14:39] <straterra> "yet"
[14:39] <thrice`> what advise?  install the 1 or 2 deps, and run the script?  a day for that task?
[14:39] <StasiProto> oh like some noob wont install fresh slack 13 in a few months
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[14:39] <thrice`> some "noob" won't HAVE to if he spends 10 extra minutes learning what a package is
[14:40] <straterra> IF they had packages..they wouldnt have to
[14:40] <straterra> And if they had packages..they could easily reinstall the software if they did that
[14:40] <StasiProto> most people probably dont try to keep their system sterile except for a cess pool of extra packages they wont need again
[14:40] <thrice`> actually, the majority do
[14:40] <eviljames> Wait, what?
[14:40] <StasiProto> no one helped him
[14:40] <StasiProto> gave him bad advice, now he might be frustrated and thinking slackware is not SIPLE
[14:41] <StasiProto> simple
[14:41] <straterra> simple is a perception thing
[14:41] <StasiProto> simple is a complexity thing
[14:41] <straterra> In many ways, Slackware is indeed NOT simple
[14:41] <thrice`> it is simple, but requires a slight understanding
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[14:41] <straterra> And we don't typically hand hold here
[14:41] <missyjane> how is slackware not simple?
[14:42] <StasiProto> its simple if you dont over complicate it in some futile bid to do everything "THE PROPAR WEIGH"
[14:42] <missyjane> isnt simple what we aim for not only in os but in life as well?
[14:42] <eviljames> Indeed, missyjane is right here.
[14:42] <straterra> If said person were to ask intelligent questions and do research..
[14:42] <eviljames> How is it not simple?
[14:42] <straterra> Many tasks in Slackware aren't simple.
[14:42] <slackytude> missyjane, agreed
[14:42] <StasiProto> they are as simple as the vanilla documentation says they should be...which is why we use it
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[14:42] <straterra> network init scripts are lacking..some pretty old packages that lack functionality one might need...
[14:42] <slackytude> and I also agree with alienBOB
[14:42] <StasiProto> its unadulturated
[14:43] <missyjane> sec
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[14:43] <slackytude> StasiProto, I can haz less annoying? k thx baye
[14:43] <StasiProto> slackboy, take it to offtopic kthx bai
[14:43] <init[1]|znc>  /me aaa finally recovered from doing -r on /etc/{group,passwd} .. foof
[14:43] Action: init[1]|znc aaa finally recovered from doing -r on /etc/{group,passwd} .. foof
[14:43] <slackytude> init[1]|znc, heh
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[14:43] <init[1]|znc> :)
[14:43] <eviljames> slackboy: yeah, you offtopic jerk!
[14:43] <straterra> Mass management tends to involve a bit of custom script writing
[14:43] <StasiProto> init[1]|znc, not too hard
[14:44] <alienBOB> straterra: [OT] today I asked someone for Straterra LDAP Browser... and then realized that it's actually called Softerra LDAP browser ;-)
[14:44] <StasiProto> bee_bee, is it working
[14:44] <straterra> There is a reason Slackware isn't on most software's support list
[14:44] <straterra> alienBOB: I use that
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[14:45] <missyjane> <straterra> There is a reason Slackware isn't on most software's support list
[14:45] <missyjane> sorry what reason is that?
[14:45] <straterra> See above
[14:45] <bee_bee> i can d/load it StasiProto im on a 3g modem ....ill have to get it from a friends net
[14:45] <StasiProto> because they supply static binaries and label them "all linux"
[14:45] <bee_bee> cant*
[14:45] <straterra> StasiProto: uhm..no
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[14:46] <StasiProto> what is "support list"
[14:46] <StasiProto> binary packages i'd guess
[14:46] <straterra> Break it down
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[14:46] <straterra> a list..of supported distros
[14:46] <StasiProto> ok and there is source code that lists supported distros? hahaha christ
[14:46] <straterra> Uh..no?
[14:47] <straterra> Did I say that?
[14:47] <StasiProto> ask me in offtopic
[14:47] <straterra> You said those projects just use statically compiled binaries..and that isn't true
[14:47] <straterra> they compile their software against a certain environment and package it for that environment
[14:47] <StasiProto> software support lists are for idiots
[14:48] <straterra> Ok..go try to get ZenOSS or Zimbra working on a non supported OS
[14:48] <straterra> Or vmware-tools without unofficial any-any patches
[14:48] <StasiProto> i just download the source or if its hard to compile/waste of time i'll get the static builds
[14:48] <straterra> You assume there are static builds
[14:48] <StasiProto> thats what a "software support list" is
[14:48] <straterra> And even then, you assume the static builds are done in such a way to not conflict with existing software (see old dropline)
[14:49] <init[1]|znc> StasiProto: straterra ,both nick doesn't show much diff to eyes
[14:49] <StasiProto> binaries and/or one static build
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[14:49] <straterra> No..a software support list is a list of supported software..drrrr
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[14:49] <straterra> It implies nothing more than that
[14:49] <StasiProto> hey lets see who can install skype first, you do slackbuild ill do static build
[14:49] <StasiProto> READY SET GO
[14:49] <StasiProto> done
[14:49] <straterra> Uhm..doesn't the slackbuild just repackage the binary?
[14:49] <StasiProto> whast the point of that
[14:49] <alienBOB> Yeah the SlackBuild just packages the static build nicely, adds a menu item and makes it dead easy to remove as well
[14:50] <StasiProto> slackbuild builds
[14:50] <init[1]|znc> yes it does,
[14:50] <mancha> wasn't the "slackbuilds suck" troll yesterday's topic?
[14:50] Action: straterra snickers
[14:50] <missyjane> hm ok
[14:50] <DeeeeP> pptpclient is not on slackbuilds ?
[14:50] <slackytude> DeeeeP, it is
[14:50] <straterra> example FAIL
[14:50] <DeeeeP> didnt find it
[14:50] <StasiProto> ok so why is the virtualbox slackbuild so time consuming?
[14:50] <mancha> i am feeling deja vu
[14:50] <StasiProto> because of the qt4 dep?
[14:50] <alienBOB> I am lmao
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[14:50] <straterra> I don't use Linux on a desktop anyway..hence no need for skype o.O
[14:50] <StasiProto> if the VB slackbuild repackaged the binary.....bee bee would be done
[14:51] <straterra> Doesn't VirtualBox compile kernel modules?
[14:51] <StasiProto> it does if you use the .run file...slackbuild doesnt apparently thats why bee_bee came back
[14:52] <StasiProto> im sure bee_bee should just fix and submit a new sb
[14:52] <init[1]|znc> StasiProto: sorry to intrrupt , what are you trying to proove,slackbuilds are evil ?0_O
[14:52] <StasiProto> no, that the "proper way" brainwashing is completely against slackness
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[14:52] <straterra> slackness?
[14:53] <StasiProto> definition of slack
[14:53] <init[1]|znc> omg!
[14:53] <StasiProto> from the subgenius
[14:53] <thrice`> StasiProto: because "static builds" are very rare
[14:53] <slackytude> slackbuilds are the best next thing after bread sold sliced
[14:53] <missyjane> straterra, what do you use for desktop then?
[14:53] <StasiProto> look it up plz
[14:54] <agentc0re|work> I'm too lazy to look up the definition..
[14:54] <thrice`> you picked skype and virtualbox (throw openoffice in too).  what about the thousands and thousands of other OSS projects?
[14:54] <StasiProto> ive never had a problem with them
[14:54] <eviljames> straterra uses windows for his home desktop, doesn't everyone?
[14:54] <missyjane> no...
[14:54] <snorks> i use wood
[14:54] <missyjane> :(
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[14:54] <thrice`> StasiProto: packaging software is proper.  why do you think every distro has a pakcage manager, rather than just shipping you a giant .tar file ?
[14:55] <StasiProto> why do you think we use slackware
[14:55] <StasiProto> because packaging sucks arse
[14:55] <thrice`> because you lose the ability to track system files, upgrade, and remove software
[14:55] <thrice`> you are so clueless
[14:55] <alienBOB> VirtualBox SlackBuild scripts are more than one. There is one for the OSE and another one for the kernel module. And yet another one to package the add-ons
[14:55] <StasiProto> why dont you add dependency resolution like the other proper lemmings
[14:55] <Quiznos> pff sliced bread aint all that
[14:55] <straterra> eviljames: I use what works
[14:55] <straterra> I'd rather use fbsd over Linux these days
[14:56] <agentc0re|work> StasiProto: No, dependency checking sucks arse.
[14:56] <StasiProto> The central belief in the Church is the pursuit of Slack, which generally stands for the sense of freedom, independence, and original thinking that comes when you achieve your personal goals
[14:56] <alienBOB> I have to agree with StasiProto that using SlackBuilds is not a dogma. Slackware is about freedom of the administrator. If you want to configure && make && make install that is just fine - if you know what you are doing
[14:56] <StasiProto> The Church encourages originality and frowns on actions seen as pinkness, which happens when one bows down to authority and the accepted limits of society.
[14:56] <straterra> But teaching that to new users is generally bad practice
[14:57] <init[1]|znc> dependency is like DRM
[14:57] <StasiProto> wake up, they taint slackware
[14:57] <straterra> Then start your own Slackware derived distro
[14:57] <thrice`> there is a reason that slackbuilds aren't "./configure, make, make install" .  they always need more than that
[14:57] <straterra> Which will be..what..LFS?
[14:57] <hitest> bbl
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[14:57] <alienBOB> The noobs who are unaware that configure && make && make install is dumping the programs in /usr/local may end up wondering why their next configure does not find the new libraries
[14:58] <straterra> Or that they can't easily uninstall
[14:58] <alienBOB> StasiProto: the "new Slackware user" these days is not of the same caliber as, say, 5 years ago
[14:58] <straterra> or easily see whats even installed
[14:58] <thrice`> alienBOB: disagree; many of the 5-year-ago slackers have even moved on ;)
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[14:58] <straterra> And then they have to fight with configure flags and such
[14:59] <AnonymousRednek> hello happy people
[14:59] <alienBOB> People nowadays are always a wee bit ubuntufied - I see the "where is the GUI" question too often, even here in ##slackware
[14:59] <StasiProto> i put enough faith in people to not tell them that there is a proper way
[14:59] <alienBOB> But. I really think using SlackBuilds is the better way
[15:00] <thrice`> StasiProto: what do you recommend when someone says "hey, I ran make install on pidgin 2.0, but now I want 2.1"
[15:00] <shyko> me 2
[15:00] <alienBOB> Using SlackBuilds (and understanding them!) makes you manage your ssystem better
[15:00] <StasiProto> make uninstall
[15:00] <thrice`> but, that was months ago, I don't keep the source around
[15:00] <alienBOB> Tsk
[15:00] <StasiProto> new version ./configure;make uninstall;make clean;make;make install
[15:00] <init[1]|znc> StasiProto: not every project have a make uninstall script
[15:01] <thrice`> it says "make uninstall" not recognized
[15:01] <alienBOB> StasiProto: to everyone his (or her) own.
[15:01] <straterra> make uninstall doesn't come with all software
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[15:01] <init[1]|znc> yea^
[15:02] <StasiProto> slackbuild doesnt exist with all software
[15:02] <Necos> sure it does... write it yourself :P
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[15:02] <init[1]|znc> StasiProto: there is an alternative called sourceinstallgtk, well that too break at times
[15:02] <StasiProto> oh fun! fixing a problem that doesnt exist yet maybe i can get ePenis points on irc!
[15:03] <StasiProto> there is checkinstall if you just want a thing in your /var/log/packages
[15:03] <antiwire> and a person asking about upgrading make install'd software will certainly know how to fix the Makefile right?
[15:03] <thrice`> doesn't exist yet?  there is aLOT of software that doesn't target uninstall
[15:03] <Necos> slackbuilds.org has a generic slackbuild script that you can modify for your needs...
[15:03] <thrice`> why should they?  every distro uses packages
[15:03] <StasiProto> thrice`, and the new version installs over the old one 90% of the time
[15:03] <missyjane> ok this is no good
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[15:03] <antiwire> StasiProto: you just mentioned checkinstall?
[15:03] <eviljames> wow, that's twice I've agreed with missyjane...
[15:03] <Necos> checkinstall works, sorta...
[15:03] <eviljames> something is up here.
[15:03] <antiwire> i thought you were against packaging
[15:03] <antiwire> ...
[15:03] <StasiProto> antiwire, it came standard with slackware
[15:03] <StasiProto> if there is a erason to use it
[15:03] <thrice`> StasiProto: wrong
[15:03] <StasiProto> use it
[15:04] <antiwire> oh so now it changes.
[15:04] <agentc0re|work> eviljames: 3rd time and you get webcam access ;)
[15:04] <Necos> do expand eviljames :P
[15:04] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: UGH no.
[15:04] <fire|bird> agentc0re|work: haha
[15:04] <Necos> hahahaha
[15:04] <antiwire> before, everyone in this channel who supported packaging was a moron and now it's "if there is a erason to use it"
[15:04] <antiwire> so are you a moron too?
[15:04] <Chakravanti> has anyone used Vanish on Slackware?
[15:04] <Necos> packages are good...
[15:05] <StasiProto> it was about making things more complex than they needed to be
[15:05] <eviljames> Necos: Well, alienBOB pretty much settled the entire debate and was ignored.  People are either arguing for or against some nonsense.. this is no good.
[15:05] <antiwire> ...
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[15:05] <antiwire> consistency fail.
[15:05] <StasiProto> this is great fun
[15:05] <Necos> eviljames: it's because they're bored ^_^
[15:05] <thrice`> StasiProto: to me, running "./app.SlackBuild" is 20 times easiesr than figuring out configure flags, gzipping manpages, adding documentation, stripping libraries
[15:05] <StasiProto> you are right though, alienbob ended it by agreeing with me
[15:06] <Necos> he did?
[15:06] <StasiProto> sure did, scroll up
[15:06] <antiwire> he only agreed about the anti-dogma
[15:06] Action: hiptobecubic is watching a comcast technician figure out why the cable box doesn't have an IP address
[15:06] Nick change: StasiProto -> SirBobDobbs
[15:07] <alienBOB> I did not agree to your ideas SirBobDobbs
[15:07] <eviljames> SirBobDobbs: Indeed, he agreed that there is no need to be dogmatic, but he also very clearly stated that packaging was the 'better' way.
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[15:07] <init[1]|znc> lol
[15:07] <Necos> he said to each their own
[15:07] <Necos> which is not agreeing
[15:07] <antiwire> alienBOB is one of the major packagers of software for the Slackware community aside from SBo, which came later. I can't speak directly for him but I'd venture to guess that alienBOB certainly understands the importance of proper packaging...
[15:07] <Chakravanti> Is anyone familiar with using Vanish on Linux at all?
[15:07] <antiwire> SirBobDobbs: so what is it? morons for using packages or not?
[15:07] <Necos> antiwire: no need to speak for him, he's here ^_^
[15:07] <SirBobDobbs> im sure alienbob runs a system he has kept sterile since slackware 7 too
[15:07] <eviljames> Chakravanti: I'm not, what is it for?
[15:07] <Necos> Chakravanti: no, haven't used it...
[15:08] <alienBOB> SirBobDobbs: I see no fun in sterile
[15:08] <Chakravanti> eviljames, making files have an expiration date
[15:08] <alienBOB> I _build_ packages on clean systems yes
[15:08] <Chakravanti> after which, they are unreadable regardless of location
[15:08] <SirBobDobbs> alienBOB, whens the last time you did a fresh install instead of upgrade
[15:08] <alienBOB> But those  are virtual machines
[15:08] <Necos> qemu ftw?
[15:08] <alienBOB> Fresh install? Last week
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[15:08] <alienBOB> I install Slackware multiple times a week SirBobDobbs
[15:09] <alienBOB> But I also have systems I keep up to date using slackpkg
[15:09] <Necos> because alienBOB likes to live dangerously...
[15:09] <SirBobDobbs> so then you just keep a bunch of .tgz files you can install quickly
[15:09] <alienBOB> SirBobDobbs: you are just too stupid to believe
[15:09] <Necos> hahaha
[15:09] <SirBobDobbs> well if you build the packages dont you use them?
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[15:09] <alienBOB> Do you really think people build a package, only to delete it afterwards?
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[15:10] <SirBobDobbs> there is no reason not to, you can uninstall it without the .tgz  when you need to upgrade
[15:10] <antiwire> rep SBo.tgz /var/log/packages/* |wc -l  \ 169 and I have every single package in my package area
[15:10] <SirBobDobbs> lots of people have one system
[15:10] <alienBOB> Building the same programs from source over and over again... that is stupid if you can build a package _once_ and install _often_
[15:11] Action: Necos nods to alienBOB 
[15:11] <SirBobDobbs> once until it gets out dated, then you gotta delete the old one hehe
[15:11] <alienBOB> SirBobDobbs: that is why I keep a repository - for all those people who only have one system
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[15:11] <Necos> oh, alienBOB, have you played with the latest vlc?
[15:11] <SirBobDobbs> i have packages here from slackware 6!
[15:11] <AnonymousRednek> SirBobDobbs, there never was a slackware 6
[15:11] <slackytude> <alienBOB> SirBobDobbs: I see no fun in sterile  << noobfar,
[15:11] <alienBOB> ....
[15:12] Action: guax keeps its packages for installation and share its findings in www.guax.net/pub/slackware/
[15:12] <Necos> hahaha
[15:12] Action: alienBOB steps out of a pointless discussion
[15:12] <Necos> hmmm...
[15:12] <Chakravanti> busted
[15:13] <init[1]|znc> lol
[15:13] <hiptobecubic> :D
[15:13] Nick change: init[1]|znc -> init[1]
[15:13] <init[1]> wow,just wonderful bust..
[15:13] <SirBobDobbs> i need a slackbuild for the linux kernel HELPZ
[15:13] <thrice`> slackware 6, heh
[15:13] <Chakravanti> oh no
[15:14] <Chakravanti> there was a slackware 6
[15:14] <Chakravanti> he wrote it himself and never distributed it
[15:14] <Necos> alienBOB: how'd the 1,0.1 vlc build work out for ya?
[15:14] <AnonymousRednek> Chakravanti, the versions jumped from 4 to 7 in official slack
[15:14] <Chakravanti> cuz he's 1337 like that
[15:14] <slackytude> Chakravanti, because releasing it would reduce its slackness ^-^
[15:14] <AnonymousRednek> Chakravanti, more like he's BUSTED like that
[15:14] <mancha> distrib inflation
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[15:15] <Chakravanti> SirBobDobbs, you have to leave and change your nick before you start a new troll
[15:15] <Necos> pat even wrote a whole blurb on why he bumped the version numbering
[15:15] <deco> after a new installation what are do groups one should add himself to right away ?
[15:15] <mancha> thats why we go from 12.2 to 13 i guess. why not cut to the chase and release v99999999999999999999
[15:15] <deco> are the groups*
[15:15] <SirBobDobbs> Chakravanti, i see thats what you did
[15:15] <Chakravanti> lol, this is the only nick i've used in this room
[15:16] <antiwire> deco: adduser suggests to you that hitting the up arrow will populate some sane groups...
[15:16] <SirBobDobbs> that was a nice feature for sure
[15:16] <AnonymousRednek> deco, i strongly suggest you follow antiwire's suggestion
[15:16] Action: eviljames thirds antiwire's suggestion.  Motion carries *bangs gavel*
[15:16] <deco> antiwire: thank you
[15:16] <eviljames> Any new business?
[15:16] Action: AnonymousRednek has used slack since version 3.6 was new
[15:17] Action: Necos declares eviljames in contempt of court
[15:17] <SirBobDobbs> eviljames, thats 4ths...i agreed second
[15:17] <slackytude> AnonymousRednek, back when dinosaurs roamed earth
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[15:17] <SirBobDobbs> AnonymousRednek, same here
[15:18] Action: thumbs missed all the StasiProto fun
[15:18] Action: Necos doesn't think thumbs missed much 
[15:18] <Necos> :P
[15:19] <SirBobDobbs> it wasnt me
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[15:19] <SirBobDobbs> it was a drone attack against slackness
[15:19] <SirBobDobbs> damn pinks
[15:19] <Necos> >.>
[15:20] <eviljames> thumbs: If you want, you can talk with SirBobDobbs - it's not much different from stasiproto :P
[15:20] <thumbs> eviljames: no, it's OK.
[15:20] <Necos> damn... and we almost had him duped >.>
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[15:21] <Necos> hmmm... has current reached rc2 yet?
[15:21] <SirBobDobbs> look at the brightside, you cubicle monkeys can almost go home now
[15:21] <antiwire> there are a lot of knighted people who would bend you over a barrel for hailing Sir
[15:22] <slackytude> SirBobDobbs, beats living in your moms basement, you should try it
[15:22] <SirBobDobbs> elton john?
[15:22] <Necos> i don't have a cubicle...
[15:22] <antiwire> oh man /me slaps knees...that was hilarious
[15:22] <SirBobDobbs> lol
[15:22] <eviljames> Necos: Me neither - corner office.
[15:22] <SirBobDobbs> i dont want elton john to bend me over
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[15:22] <agentc0re|work> I have a cubie...
[15:22] <panzer> me neither I have whole building
[15:22] <agentc0re|work> However i can't almost go home
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[15:23] <panzer> I can leave whenever I want to
[15:23] <straterra> I can't almost go home either..third day straight of after hour server work
[15:23] <SirBobDobbs> if you go home during rush hour you can almost taste your slavery
[15:23] <agentc0re|work> I'm in the 3rd cube side of the 4 sided 24 hour rotational timecube.
[15:23] <SirBobDobbs> OH SHIT WE ARE OFFTOPIC
[15:23] <guax> once again
[15:24] <eviljames> Timecube is considered on-topic.
[15:24] <SirBobDobbs> lol
[15:24] <slackytude> agentc0re|work, O_o
[15:24] <Necos> agentc0re|work: lol
[15:24] <SirBobDobbs> what the hell is a time cube
[15:24] <agentc0re|work> slackytude: Stop giving me that weird face! :P
[15:24] <Necos> he's living on solaris :P
[15:24] <slackytude> agentc0re|work, if you talk sense I wont
[15:24] <agentc0re|work> eviljames: And the moment comes!!
[15:25] <alienBOB> Necos: I built and uploaded vlc 1.0.1 so what is your real meaning for that question?
[15:25] <agentc0re|work> SirBobDobbs: http://timecube.com
[15:25] <slackytude> agentc0re|work, I mean, I will
[15:25] <slackytude> wont I?
[15:25] <agentc0re|work> I'll talk sense only after you start.
[15:25] <slackytude> aww
[15:25] <Quiznos> damn guya, give the SLAVES A BREAK
[15:25] <agentc0re|work> :P
[15:25] <Necos> alienBOB: i saw that... was just wondering about the actual build process (how long, how'd you figure out the deps, etc..)
[15:26] <ananke> quality of this channel has really gone down in recent months
[15:26] <Necos> lol
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[15:26] <Quiznos> ananke i am not responsible
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[15:26] <SirBobDobbs> nice site timecube
[15:26] <alienBOB> Necos: build time without Qt4 and on slackware64 is actually fairly limited. The Qt4 part was consuming the largest part of the build time
[15:26] <alienBOB> And figuring out the dependencies, is my trade secret
[15:27] <slackytude> alienBOB special sauce
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[15:28] <SirBobDobbs> wtf michael jackson died >:(
[15:28] <agentc0re|work> ...
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[15:28] <alienBOB> Trolls do not live long here
[15:28] <alienBOB> They will be covered in alien special sauce
[15:29] <agentc0re|work> ewww
[15:29] <SirBobDobbs> that would make their corpses fester in here
[15:29] <ananke> then what are we waiting for?
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[15:29] <slackytude> since when depends vlc on qt4
[15:29] <Chakravanti> why would anyone finish reading that drivel?
[15:29] Action: slackytude is out of the loop
[15:29] <alienBOB> He is digging his grave but it is not deep enough, he can still get out of it
[15:29] <agentc0re|work> having connection problems fire|bird?
[15:29] <ananke> it's been going on for days
[15:30] <SirBobDobbs> ananke, lurk moar
[15:30] <alienBOB> slackytude: since a long time - if you want to use a gui
[15:30] <slackytude> man
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[15:30] <Necos> ah, damn, qt4...
[15:31] <Necos> that was the bugger...
[15:31] <Necos> not using slack64 though..
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[15:36] <slackytude> the sound of silence
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[15:38] <alienBOB> Necos: luckily some people build packages :-) Saves you from running a configure && make for several hours
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[15:38] <alienBOB> ALthough I seem to have forgotten ever building a qt4 package for Slackware 12.2
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[15:39] <panzer> about about distcc for compiling qt4?
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[15:40] <alienBOB> panzer: having a lot of machines in your LAN would be a prerequisite to use distcc
[15:40] <alienBOB> (and having them running, and beefy enough to compile at a decent speed)
[15:40] <panzer> of course
[15:41] <panzer> I have that already
[15:41] <alienBOB> I only have one machine that is even capable of compiling software at decent speed
[15:41] <alienBOB> The rest is old
[15:41] <panzer> define old
[15:41] <alienBOB> And even the build box is 4 years old
[15:41] <alienBOB> Building on a dual PII/233MHz sucks...
[15:42] <panzer> I got 3ghz core2duo's laying about here.  I don't think I am going to have much in the way of time issues.
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[15:42] <alienBOB> Lucky you
[15:42] <eviljames> That's a pretty nice thing to have just laying around :P
[15:42] <alienBOB> I do not have the money to buy a lot of beefy HW...
[15:42] <panzer> used to build blender on a dual 750 P3 then bumped to it and a dual 2.8 P4xeon box.
[15:42] <panzer> yea I don't either.  the procs where free
[15:43] <ananke> alienBOB : i wish you had some decent thrift stores around you. recently i bought a poweredge 400sc for $2.49 [just the case + mobo + proc + psu, but still]
[15:43] <agentc0re|work> alienBOB: i have a dual pIII 800 sitting around if you want it.
[15:44] <alienBOB> agentc0re|work: thanks for the offer but I'll pass :-) Having a lot of machines is not only a blessing.
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[15:44] <alienBOB> It is noisy and eats power
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[15:48] <agentc0re|work> could use it to replace the pII though and toss it out.
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[15:50] <alienBOB> agentc0re|work: the PII is my LAN server...
[15:50] <agentc0re|work> time for an upgrade! :) :P
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[15:51] <mintee> Hey everyone...  another quick question... I need to search a PDF for a specific string and have the page number returned to me.  Any hints?
[15:51] <mintee> oh, from bash
[15:52] <SirBobDobbs> pdftotext ?
[15:53] <mintee> yeah, that was my consideration...  counting the ^Linefeeds until the string appeared, but seems like a pretty buggy way to do it
[15:53] <SirBobDobbs> count the page breaks
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[15:53] <mintee> yeah, that's what I meant... not really sure how I would go about doing that either though
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[15:54] <SirBobDobbs> its bash...it will be a pretty buggy way in general
[15:55] <SirBobDobbs> look on freshmeat.net for any nifty pdf toys
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[15:56] <agris> :) how? by loading search to each one page of pdf by -l -f ... just a guess
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[15:57] <dchmelik> I would not mind another dual pIII 800....
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[15:57] <mintee> agris: ?
[15:57] <SirBobDobbs> http://freshmeat.net/projects/vtools
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[15:58] <SirBobDobbs> http://freshmeat.net/projects/pdfmeld
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[16:00] <pprkut> panzer: I tested building boost/kernel/rosegarden on 10 800MHz machines with icecream. Although pretty old hardware, the results were impressive.
[16:00] <agris> mintee for each page of pdf_file {page= pdftotext -f pagenumber -l pagenumber; searchstringin(page);}
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[16:00] <agris> or something like that
[16:01] <dchmelik> agentc0re / agentc0re|work: so you have a dual pIII 800 you do not want anymore?
[16:01] <agentc0re|work> dchmelik: just sitting in my garage.. i'll probalby never use it.
[16:01] <mintee> agris: yeah, but i have to print the page from the actual PDF...
[16:01] <dchmelik> I am always looking for spare parts for mine...
[16:01] <mintee> SirBobDobbs:pdfmeld is cool, but I'm going headless on this box
[16:02] <mintee> and vtools seems to be java
[16:02] <dchmelik> I like my pIII 800... it has a Gravis Ultrasound
[16:02] Action: mintee looks more
[16:02] <agris> mintee: well that would be another function
[16:02] <agentc0re|work> i think it has a couple 9GB ultra scsi 320 drives in it too.
[16:02] <dchmelik> wow, I have not used SCSI
[16:03] <agentc0re|work> are you in the states?
[16:03] <slackytude> pprkut, icecream?
[16:03] <dchmelik> yeah.  I wonder if it is a similar Supermicro board as mine... it is about the only dual pIII I have heard of.
[16:03] <agentc0re|work> dchmelik: It's a dell poweredge.
[16:03] <agentc0re|work> dchmelik: it is a 4U server.. it's a bigboy.
[16:04] <dchmelik> I went quiet when I heard it was a Dell... but maybe that is okay....
[16:04] <agentc0re|work> dell > supermicro IMO..
[16:04] <dchmelik> really, ok....
[16:04] <SirBobDobbs> lol
[16:05] <pprkut> slackytude: distributed compiler, similar to distcc but with some nifty features like a scheduler, cross-compiler support, etc..
[16:05] <eviljames> ++ agentc0re|work
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[16:05] <SirBobDobbs> i have a tyan thunder k8w
[16:05] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: Dell's service is above & beyond!
[16:05] <slackytude> pprkut, ahh, I remeber that
[16:05] <agentc0re|work> my DC was a custombuild by the previous admin... guess what kind of board it was?  Was meaning that it's dead... and is a supermicro.  I've already replaced it once too within a year.
[16:06] <SirBobDobbs> with a 3ware 9xxx
[16:06] <agentc0re|work> eviljames: It is.  Plus, hardware dies.  I know, i know you pay more for it.. but it's so nice to have when you need it.  Regardless of it being dell or hp.
[16:06] <dchmelik> my Supermicro pIII seems in better condition than my current Tyan AMD64... but maybe my case is the problem.
[16:06] <pprkut> slackytude: I have never used distcc, so I can't really compare those two. Icecream works great in my setup though.
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[16:07] <eviljames> Indeed.  Plus, I'd rather not be getting up in the middle of the night to go replace a motherboard.  having the answer to that question be "Just call dell, they'll have it fixed by the morning.." is pretty handy.
[16:07] <Keiffer> Do you like 24?
[16:07] <eviljames> wtf is 24?
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[16:07] <dchmelik> agentc0re, does the Dell system have ISA?
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[16:07] <SirBobDobbs> dell has warranty limitiations
[16:07] <agentc0re|work> dchmelik: not sure..  haven't opened it in a while.
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[16:08] <dchmelik> if it does I might be interested, but right now I am only interested in the CPUs, and it might be better if someone else uses the whole thing....
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[16:08] <SirBobDobbs> p3 cpus are a dime a dozen
[16:09] <dchmelik> orlyic... but if you run dual ones it is better if they are a pair from the same batch
[16:09] <SirBobDobbs> ive seen core2duo cpus in my trash
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[16:10] <SirBobDobbs> same stepping?
[16:11] <RipVanWinkle> a dime a dozen? give me 1200 of them
[16:11] <darchstar> hey guys, for some reason i'm getting low marks when running glxgears. only 59 fps. in gentoo i would get around 800 to 1000. I copied my xorg.conf from gentoo onto slack but i still get low marks. can someone plz help. my card is a intel GM965
[16:11] <RipVanWinkle> X -configure ?
[16:12] <darchstar> RipVanWinkle, thats what i tried out first, but it only gives me the same marks
[16:12] <eviljames> darchstar: It's likely that the versions are different from gentoo + the intel driver is ak nown issue.
[16:12] <SirBobDobbs> dont you have to use dri for any real speed
[16:12] <SirBobDobbs> you are using mesa...glxinfo|grep renderer
[16:12] <eviljames> darchstar: It is a new slackware-current on bare hardware?
[16:13] <darchstar> eviljames, i;m using slackware64-current, and sirbobdobbs, yes i am using mesa
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[16:13] <eviljames> darchstar: It is showing 60 and probably a warning about being synced to monitor framerate?
[16:13] <darchstar> yes
[16:14] <eviljames> darchstar: The most recent version of Mesa (7.5) and recompiling xorg against that seems to be the ticket.
[16:14] <eviljames> darchstar: Check http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/ for packages
[16:14] <darchstar> ok i'll try that out
[16:14] <eviljames> darchstar: fwiw, I had the exact same issues and these packages resolved.
[16:14] <eviljames> darchstar: On 3 different Intel chips no less.
[16:14] <SirBobDobbs> in other news, nvidia 8000 series cards can be had for 50 ucks
[16:15] <eviljames> So?
[16:15] <SirBobDobbs> get over 9000 fps
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[16:15] <eviljames> I see, that sounds like it will help him get his Intel chip working.
[16:15] <SirBobDobbs> yeah i get 9781 fps
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[16:17] <agentc0re|work> heheh, http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/08/05/1827246/DIY-CPU-Thermal-Grease-Using-Diamond-Dust?from=rss
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[16:18] <SirBobDobbs> diamonds transfer heat well?
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[16:19] <SirBobDobbs> and when you crank down the hsf to the core you get a peizo electric effect which shorts out your shiny new cpu lol
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[16:21] <SirBobDobbs> the overclock rage seems to have died down lately
[16:21] <agentc0re|work> phoenix^: having connection issues?
[16:21] <phoenix^> agentc0re|work: yes, very much so.
[16:21] <SirBobDobbs> phoenix^, whats your tcp timeout set to on the router
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[16:22] <phoenix^> SirBobDobbs: It's direct connection with iptables set, I don't have a router yet.
[16:22] Nick change: kschmitt -> Kyle_S
[16:22] <OpenSys> ppl i have a problem upgrading from 12.2 to 13.0. e get in all packages this error like: ERROR:  Package ./findutils-4.4.2-i486-1.txz did not install
[16:22] <OpenSys> any clue ?
[16:22] <Kyle_S> Question for anyone wanting to dwell on something odd.
[16:23] <SirBobDobbs> OpenSys, did you upgrade pkgtools first
[16:23] <OpenSys> no
[16:23] <phoenix^> SirBobDobbs: my Internet connection has just been crap lately. :P
[16:23] <SirBobDobbs> OpenSys, .txz is new compresed .tgz
[16:23] <phoenix^> signal drops and connections lost
[16:23] <OpenSys> i test it first
[16:23] <SirBobDobbs> wont install until you follow UPGRADE.TXT
[16:23] <OpenSys> yes i see
[16:23] <Kyle_S> I've got a vm server that becomes unresponsive to the outsdie at about the same time every day.  No UDP ICPM or TCP can get in or out.  sar & the logs tell me that it's not under any particular load at that time, and that it is up and working dirring that time.
[16:23] <SirBobDobbs> phoenix^, get your cable guy out there?
[16:23] <slackytude2> phoenix^, gremlins eatz your packets
[16:24] <agentc0re|work> OpenSys: Did you read anything before trying to do so?  -current may not be for you tbh.
[16:24] <SirBobDobbs> they can measure the modem's signal levels from the phone
[16:24] <agentc0re|work> phoenix^: Have you unplugged your modem, waited 30 seconds and plugged it back in? ;)
[16:24] <OpenSys> agentc0re|work, no problem
[16:24] <OpenSys> :)
[16:24] <slackytude2> Kyle_S, same time everyday?
[16:24] <SirBobDobbs> Kyle_S, check the crontab?
[16:24] <SirBobDobbs> make its updatedb
[16:24] <Kyle_S> slackytude2: within a few minutes.
[16:24] <SirBobDobbs> *maybe
[16:24] <Kyle_S> SirBobDobbs: Nope, nothing in the crontab at that time.
[16:25] <SirBobDobbs> check dmesg?
[16:25] <Kyle_S> Clean enough.
[16:25] <SirBobDobbs> hmmm
[16:25] <slackytude2> Kyle_S, there is not some cleaning woman pulling the plug or so?
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[16:25] <Kyle_S> I wrote a script that tries pinging out, and records the load every 10 seconds.  When ran overnight, the system was fine...just couldn't talk out
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[16:26] <Kyle_S> slackytude2: I wish it were that easy ;)  It's the third server down in a full rack.  And it's the only one that's having issues.
[16:26] <slackytude> hrm, that is odd
[16:26] <slackytude> gremlins again
[16:26] <SirBobDobbs> yeap
[16:26] <Kyle_S> slackytude: Heh.  damn gremlins.
[16:27] <Kyle_S> Does that sound like it could be a dupe ip?
[16:27] <slackytude> you mean duplicate?
[16:28] <Kyle_S> yea.
[16:28] <phoenix^> agentc0re|work: yeah, that doesn't do any good. I can reset it from it's web interface too, no dice.
[16:28] Action: slackytude shakes head
[16:28] <Kyle_S> On a sepearte system I tried having it arping the IP every few minmutes, but it didn't find a dupe...
[16:28] Action: Kyle_S ponders
[16:28] <agentc0re|work> Kyle_S: easy test.  unplug that server and ping the ip or try to connect to it via ssh or whatever is the most common thing left open in your network.
[16:28] <slackytude> Kyle_S, in that case, youd see oddities, sure. but not something consistent as that
[16:29] <SirBobDobbs> thats just weird
[16:29] <slackytude> Kyle_S, does it come up again?
[16:29] <phoenix^> SirBobDobbs: I have before, he checks the outside connection, etc. and that's good so they don't do much more. They won't put an amplifier on the line either, too expensive they say. :P
[16:29] <juice> http://xkcd.com/619/
[16:29] <agentc0re|work> phoenix^: I was just kidding.. i had figured you'd probably already done that.
[16:29] <phoenix^> agentc0re|work: :)
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[16:29] <Kyle_S> slackytude: Yea.  Most night's it's out for about 400 seconds, but some about 7000
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[16:29] <eviljames> OpenSys: the simple route will be to upgradepkg --install-new a/*tgz first
[16:29] <eviljames> OpenSys: Then afterwards upgrading the rest of the packages.
[16:30] <Kyle_S> agentc0re|work: Can't, it's a production server.  VM server at that, with half a dozen VMs that are considered critical running on it :)
[16:30] <OpenSys> seams yes: Slackware Package Tool (pkgtool version 13.0)
[16:30] <eviljames> juice: brilliant, eh?
[16:30] <slackytude> Kyle_S, and its just destination unreachable for those 400 secs?
[16:30] <Kyle_S> Yup.
[16:30] <SirBobDobbs> is it accessed with a name or ip
[16:30] <Kyle_S> Like it's not plugged in.  And when I ran the script overnight on it, it (and none of it's vms) could talk out./
[16:31] <Kyle_S> name.  But the little test script did both name and IP.
[16:31] <agentc0re|work> Kyle_S: You will see pingtimes drop if disk IO is high.
[16:31] <Kyle_S> sysstat/sar and zenoss are both showing low disk IO.
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[16:31] <SirBobDobbs> if it were uploading a TON of data at the same time every day then it could lag out?
[16:31] <Kyle_S> This one is killing me.  Usually I can figure these things out :)
[16:31] <slackytude> SirBobDobbs, that would be easy to see
[16:31] <nimrod> hi
[16:31] <agentc0re|work> Kyle_S: do they back up at the times you see the server not responding to the ping?
[16:32] <OpenSys> eviljames, where is the *tgz packages
[16:32] <agentc0re|work> Kyle_S: or any other jobs for that matter?
[16:32] <Kyle_S> SirBobDobbs: well, a backup script runs again'st them, but it's using rsync, and pulling at most 100 megs a night.
[16:32] <OpenSys> i have the 12.2 updated ok
[16:32] <SirBobDobbs> rsync can be intensive
[16:32] <SirBobDobbs> what time does it run
[16:32] <juice> eviljames, something that has been nagging me for a while
[16:32] <Necos> oh goddamnit... >.>
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[16:32] <juice> seriously how hard is it to fix
[16:32] <agentc0re|work> Necos: ?
[16:33] <Kyle_S> agentc0re|work: it's close enough that it made me wonder, but I fired them off manually and coudln't reproduce the issue.
[16:33] <phoenix^> Necos: What'd you do? :P
[16:33] <Necos> i was wondering why i wasn't seeing any new text... just realized i was reading backlog...
[16:33] <Necos> lol
[16:33] <phoenix^> hahaha
[16:33] <Kyle_S> SirBobDobbs: it's running at 2am.
[16:33] <SirBobDobbs> Necos, noobfarmed
[16:33] <slackytude> Kyle_S, could it loose its IP, dhcp lease time and fetches a new one?
[16:33] <Kyle_S> But it's pretty smalll...
[16:33] <agentc0re|work> Kyle_S: We're talking about a guest machine on the host and not the host itself right?
[16:33] <Kyle_S> slackytude: static IP.,
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[16:33] <Kyle_S> agentc0re|work: if it were the guest I could understand a little more.  It's the HOST and of course, all the geusts because of that.
[16:34] <Necos> ah, the new vlc build is great tho... was testing it out with Hero
[16:34] <slackytude> Kyle_S, wow, that sucks
[16:34] <Kyle_S> No other machines on that switch screw up.
[16:34] <SirBobDobbs> Kyle_S, monitor the processes before during and after the incident
[16:34] <SirBobDobbs> if nothing new is running, then its your networking peoples fault
[16:34] <agentc0re|work> Kyle_S: hrmm... any errors on the hosts nic?
[16:35] <fredoslack> be careful
[16:35] <Kyle_S> All the cables were homemade and nicely dressed into the channels, so my manager insisted we swap it out for a commerically produced one just to see.  We'll see how that goes tonight...specailly since the calbe tester showed the cable as fine.
[16:35] <Kyle_S> agentc0re|work: Not that I can see.
[16:35] Action: fredoslack is watching you lool http://www.premiumorange.com/fredoslack/images/rideau.gif
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[16:35] <slackytude> Kyle_S, you know, you have to be there at 2am
[16:35] <phoenix^> fredoslack: STOP STARING, it's not polite. :P
[16:35] <fredoslack> lool
[16:35] <GATT0> hi
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[16:35] <Kyle_S> SirBobDobbs: are you thinking just save ps -ax every few minutes?
[16:36] <eviljames> OpenSys: How are you upgrading?
[16:36] <Kyle_S> slackytude: Humm... Err.  No.
[16:36] <phoenix^> fredoslack: :P, how's it going?
[16:36] <Necos> g4tt0: yo!
[16:36] Action: Kyle_S gave up that sort of thing when he got married and had kids.
[16:36] <phoenix^> y0 g4tt0
[16:36] <SirBobDobbs> Kyle_S, something must be doing it, otherwise its not the systems fault
[16:36] <OpenSys> eviljames, slackpkg upgrade-all
[16:36] <fredoslack> phoenix^,  very nice thanks
[16:36] <eviljames> ahhh
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[16:36] <slackytude> Kyle_S, well, let the intern be there ^-^
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[16:37] <darchstar> ok, for whoever gave me the hint of upgrading X mesa and my intel driver, that did boost my fps. marginally. i went from 59 to 300
[16:37] <Kyle_S> slackytude: If only we weren't so cheap I'd have them...
[16:37] <Kyle_S> OK, checked ifconfig.  Over the course of 60+days I've got 300 errors and about 95k dropped packets.
[16:37] <slackytude> Kyle_S, well, besides increasing verbosity and logging everything Im out of ideas
[16:37] <SirBobDobbs> slackware should not be slower than gentoo
[16:38] <eviljames> OpenSys: I would then suggest to rsync at least the a/ and maybe ap/ package series of -current, using upgradepkg on those and then using slackpkg for the rest.
[16:38] <Kyle_S> Damn.  I was hoping someone here could smack me with a cluestick on this one.
[16:38] <eviljames> darchstar: Do you know if you're using dri2?
[16:38] <SirBobDobbs> Kyle_S, check the switch/router its plugged into
[16:38] <OpenSys> eviljames, tanks
[16:38] <eviljames> darchstar: (it was me, btw) :D  grep -i dri /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:38] <Kyle_S> SirBobDobbs: We switched a calbe today...goign to switch ports if it doesn't work tmmorow.  But close to the same time every day doesn't make me think "bad port"
[16:39] <eviljames> darchstar: also, the exa/uxa divide might need to be crossed - on your previous system were you using the latest (2.8) intel driver?
[16:39] <eviljames> OpenSys: no prob.
[16:39] <Kyle_S> err... wait.  SirBobDobbs  who said gentoo was faster?
[16:39] <SirBobDobbs> not me
[16:39] <slackytude> Kyle_S, someone with intel is getting more fps on gentoo
[16:39] <Kyle_S> Ugh.
[16:39] <thrice`> mroe fps in what?
[16:39] <slackytude> glxgears
[16:39] <SirBobDobbs> in mesa lol
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[16:39] <eviljames> thrice`: A non-useful benchmark
[16:39] <darchstar> eviljames, i'm using dri2,
[16:39] <thrice`> lol
[16:40] <darchstar> and yes i was using the latest version
[16:40] <BP{k}> evening folks.
[16:40] <SirBobDobbs> glxinfo|grep renderer
[16:40] <Kyle_S> Even if you tune something to be faster in X vs Y, if the system, and the processes it's running can't stay up for over 200 days, it's not worth it.
[16:40] <thrice`> I use dri2 on slackware just fine
[16:40] <slackytude> well, its 300fps vs 9000fps or so
[16:40] <eviljames> darchstar: just an fyi - glxgears is not a benchmark.
[16:40] <thrice`> yeah, not a chance
[16:40] <slackytude> that shouldnt happen
[16:40] <SirBobDobbs> 300 vs 900
[16:40] <eviljames> slackytude: no, the 9000+ was reported by SirBobDobbs
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[16:40] <slackytude> ah, ok
[16:40] <pprkut> evening BP{k} :)
[16:40] <Kyle_S> 300fps is software GL with a good 2dcard....
[16:41] <agentc0re|work> BP{k}: howdy.
[16:41] <SirBobDobbs> darchstar, glxinfo|grep renderer
[16:41] <phoenix^> howdy BP{k}, how goes?
[16:41] <eviljames> BP{k}: It's AFTERNOON you insensitive clod!
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[16:41] <darchstar> eviljames, ok, i'll keep that in mind, SirBobDobbs, nothing shows up
[16:41] <Kyle_S> I mean, this box gets 116fps, and it's an old p4 with a crappy video card.
[16:41] <phoenix^> well, technically, evening is AFTER noon. :P
[16:41] <BP{k}> eviljames: bah, here in the cilised world ;)
[16:41] <Kyle_S> Anyway.
[16:41] <SirBobDobbs> nothing shows up?
[16:42] <slackytude> Kyle_S, good luck with yer gremlin hunt
[16:42] Action: BP{k} smacks phoenix^ .. damm you.
[16:42] <Kyle_S> Other than arping -D, what's a good way of doing duplicate address detection?
[16:42] <darchstar> yes
[16:42] <darchstar> nothing show up
[16:42] <phoenix^> BP{k}: haha
[16:42] <darchstar> shows*
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[16:42] <Kyle_S> slackytude: Heh, thanks.  I'm going to try some duplicate IP searching stuff... assuming there's some I haven't done...and I think that's a good assumption.
[16:42] <SirBobDobbs> it should say something
[16:42] <BP{k}> phoenix^: I am good, how's you?
[16:42] <eviljames> I think I'm goign to start referring to phoenix^ as multi|nick
[16:42] <Necos> you could use wireshark too
[16:42] <SirBobDobbs> it always says something
[16:42] <slackytude> Kyle_S, I doubt it, especially if you are on static ips
[16:43] <phoenix^> BP{k}: I've been having connections issues today. :( So when the Internet came back on this last time, it gave me this one, next in my list, so here I be.
[16:43] <slackytude> Kyle_S, but, its your network ^-^
[16:43] <phoenix^> BP{k}: doing excellent, thanks.
[16:43] <phoenix^> eviljames: hahahahaha
[16:43] <darchstar> nothing
[16:43] <eviljames> darchstar: With SirBobDobbs line, try adding -i to the grep statement.
[16:43] <Kyle_S> slackytude: I"m wondering if someone in the plant is using the IP on some old piece of hardware that they only plug in at night.  It would be a nice clean solution ;) kick them for doing it!
[16:43] <darchstar> GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3
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[16:44] <Kyle_S> slackytude: Heh.  Networks in manufacturing companies are nuts.  Especially if htey've been around awhile.
[16:44] <slackytude> Kyle_S, every night at 2am for 7000 secs? well; I dunno.
[16:44] <eviljames> Kyle_S: 1/manufacturing /d
[16:44] <thrice`> darchstar: what are you saying, that slack -current's intel is providing less results than gentoo's ~arch ?
[16:44] <slackytude> Kyle_S, you could change the IP one the server as well
[16:44] <darchstar> brb
[16:44] <darchstar> yes thrice`
[16:44] <eviljames> thrice`: We might have forgotten to add -funroll-loops... :/
[16:44] <slackytude> Kyle_S, if it was a dup, it shouldnt happen anymore
[16:45] <thrice`> darchstar: using the SAME exact verions of x-server, mesa, libdrm, and xf86-video-intel ?
[16:45] <Kyle_S> eviljames: sorry, I'm just so used to the text highlighting pointing out when I misspell, that irssi is killing me :)
[16:45] <eviljames> Kyle_S: heh, no I was just amending the statement to say that networks in companies are nuts - especially if they've been around for a while :P
[16:45] <slackytude> aye
[16:45] <Kyle_S> slackytude: True.  But I haven't tested switching the IP of the primary nic in a VM server while it's guests are up...
[16:45] <Kyle_S> eviljames: Ahh :)
[16:46] <SirBobDobbs> yeah randomly systems change from gigabit back to 10/100
[16:46] <Kyle_S> eviljames: At one point a director of IT here thought network cabinets were bad... so we have a few office areas that have streight runs back to the server room: one from each desk.
[16:46] <Necos> >.>
[16:46] <Necos> lol
[16:46] <SirBobDobbs> i swear ive had a problem like that before
[16:47] <Kyle_S> eviljames: needless to say, some are a bit... long for 100base T.... or 10baseT even...
[16:47] <slackytude> Kyle_S, guest should be unaffected, they will just be down as long as the bridge is down. but dont quote me on that :P
[16:47] <Necos> and i thought working for a highschool was bad...
[16:47] <thrice`> lol.  "but someone on the internet told me!"
[16:47] <slackytude> hehe
[16:47] <eviljames> Kyle_S: hahahah isn't that always the way?  The previous IT guy in this company ran a ton of wires - but labelled them in a system and/or language that only he understood.
[16:47] <Kyle_S> Necos: Heh.  At least in a highschool you can always blame the students.
[16:47] <slackytude> eviljames, ugh!
[16:48] <Kyle_S> slackytude: My thought too...but the whole, production thing gets me.
[16:48] <SirBobDobbs> at least in the real world you can always blame al queda
[16:48] <slackytude> Kyle_S, I know, I know ^-^
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[16:48] <Kyle_S> eviljames: Ugh.  How long are the runs?  400ft?  Or did he at least test them and keep them propper?
[16:48] <eviljames> Pretty sure all are under 30m or so
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[16:48] <Kyle_S> Good.
[16:49] <eviljames> Indeed.  It means I get to keep my hair.
[16:49] <Pig_Pen> http://www.boingboing.net/tombstone-tm.jpg  check out this weird tombstone
[16:49] <slackytude> lol
[16:49] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: _WTF_?
[16:49] <Kyle_S> I took a tester to some peoples offices where they always complain, and found they were on a 340ft run.
[16:50] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: I don't know if I would put up a tombstone - especially one so bizarre - before I died.  It would be too much tempting fate for my liking.
[16:51] <Pig_Pen> i am an atheist, my family can stick me in a trashcan on pickup day for all i care when i die
[16:51] <SirBobDobbs> lol
[16:51] <SirBobDobbs> great mental imagery there
[16:52] <darchstar> thrice`, yes i am using same exact versions of everything. sorry for the late respnse
[16:52] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: I'm the same, I plan to write it in my will to have me cremated and shot from a cannon.
[16:52] <thrice`> darchstar: where did you get your xorg packages from?
[16:52] <thrice`> (on slackware)
[16:52] <eviljames> thrice`: I sent him to the rworkman testing request
[16:52] <Pig_Pen> then you really will be "dust in the wind"
[16:53] <SirBobDobbs> you can make bread with ashes and other stuff
[16:53] <darchstar> what eviljames said
[16:53] <thrice`> ah, good.  and you updated to 2.8.0 of intel too, and ensured dri2 is enabled in your xorg log?
[16:53] <darchstar> yes
[16:53] <thrice`> better question, too: are your kernel versions the same?
[16:53] <darchstar> no
[16:53] <thrice`> then compile a newer kernel on slackware ;)
[16:53] <darchstar> in gentoo im using 2.6.30 in slack im using 2.6.29
[16:54] <SirBobDobbs> 2.6.29 blows compared to 2.6.30
[16:54] <thrice`> especially for intel
[16:54] <SirBobDobbs> for all benchmarks almost
[16:54] <eviljames> thrice`: Have you tried intel w/ patches?
[16:54] <darchstar> ok, i'll do that
[16:54] <SirBobDobbs> use make oldconfig
[16:55] <thrice`> eviljames: nope; most of em should appear in .31, I think, so I didn't bother
[16:55] <eviljames> thrice`: I'm in agreement there, macavity says that it is unbelievably fast.
[16:55] <Kyle_S> Q on a compleetly different thing: has anyone tried a gatway (eww) LT3103?
[16:55] <thrice`> eviljames: I'd bet just as fast as a .31RC, but *meh*
[16:56] <Pig_Pen> as much realestate burials take up seems like creamation should be made a manditory law
[16:57] <Kyle_S> Pig_Pen: hey, in some areas a cemetary is the only place for rain to actually get into the ground, and the only open space you can find.
[16:57] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, nah
[16:57] <Necos> Linux tessai 2.6.29.4-smp #1 SMP Tue Jun 2 12:55:35 PDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6700  @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[16:57] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, tradition and shit
[16:57] <Necos> meh, .4 is fine
[16:57] <eviljames> Necos: Core 2?  Why not x86_64?!
[16:57] <Kyle_S> I live in the nice open burbs, but I drive through a good chunk of city on my way to work, and theres barely any open space.
[16:57] <eviljames> it has more bits.. more bits more FUN!
[16:57] <Necos> because it's my office computer, and i got it for free >.>
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[16:58] <eviljames> In this office we have slamd64, slackware64, opensolaris and freebsd deployed.  JUST this one room :P
[16:58] <Kyle_S> Necos: but if it says core2 I think it will run x86_64 if you install....
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[16:58] <missyjane> hi
[16:58] <Kyle_S> eviljames: I forget, which office is that again?
[16:58] <eviljames> Kyle_S: My office.
[16:59] <Kyle_S> So the offices of eviljames inc?
[16:59] <Necos> lol, i work for a high school... we don't get that big a budget :P
[16:59] <slackytude> wb missyjane
[16:59] <missyjane> ty slackytude
[16:59] <eviljames> Necos: Budget?  half of it is scrap hardware just used for testing.
[16:59] <Kyle_S> Necos: I work for a candy company.  We're so cheap that the first server I was given to work on was hit by ligtening.
[16:59] <Kyle_S> lightning rather.
[16:59] <eviljames> Kyle_S: before or after you started using it?
[16:59] <Kyle_S> eviljames: before.
[16:59] <phoenix^> wb missyjane
[16:59] <eviljames> OHGODWHY
[17:00] <Necos> LOL
[17:00] <phoenix^> haha
[17:00] <Kyle_S> eviljames: Raid card is fried, but the onboard scsi works.... it's a time server right now
[17:00] <spook> i've been keeping her pre-occupied
[17:00] <phoenix^> hey spook, how's it going?
[17:00] <Necos> eviljames: we don't even have that much scrap >.>
[17:00] <Kyle_S> eviljames: candy companies==cheap cheap cheap.
[17:00] <spook> phoenix^: who are you?
[17:00] <phoenix^> spook: fire|bird
[17:00] <Pig_Pen> sugar and chocolate is not cheap
[17:00] <eviljames> Kyle_S: i work for a small biz myself, so I can relate.
[17:00] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird
[17:01] <eviljames> multi|nick strikes again
[17:01] <fire|bird> haha
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[17:01] <spook> annoying|nick strikes again
[17:01] <fire|bird> eviljames: What's my theme song when I enter? :P
[17:01] <slackytude> mighty mouse?
[17:02] <slackytude> no, wait, I mean Danger Mouse
[17:02] <fire|bird> "Oh crap, we gotta get out of here, can't you see, fire|bird's here"
[17:02] <eviljames> fire|bird: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We-r4TuYWAg
[17:02] Action: fire|bird clicks
[17:03] <fire|bird> OHGODWHY
[17:03] <spook> *rickroll*
[17:03] <eviljames> spook: nope.
[17:03] <fire|bird> spook: no, worse. :P
[17:03] <Necos> Here you come to save the day? >.>
[17:03] <spook> oh you should all watch full life consquences, part 3
[17:03] <fire|bird> eviljames: That would fit if I was Sarah Palin :P
[17:03] <Necos> ewww
[17:03] <slackytude> Sarah Conner?
[17:03] <Necos> fire|bird: what are you trying to fit in you?
[17:04] <eviljames> fire|bird: hahah
[17:04] <Kyle_S> Alright, thanks all
[17:04] <Kyle_S> Err, is wiglit/unixfool ever around anymore?
[17:04] <fire|bird> Necos: you misinterpreted that you insensitive clod. :P watch the link eviljames posted.
[17:04] <eviljames> sometimes, I've seen him here.
[17:05] <Necos> i can't watch youtube from work :P
[17:05] <eviljames> Kyle_S: ^
[17:05] <fire|bird> Kyle_S: now and then, yes.
[17:05] <eviljames> Necos: "I'm the Only Gay Eskimo" by Corky and the Juice Pigs
[17:05] <Necos> LOL
[17:05] <Kyle_S> Hum.  Shame not more often.  I think this is the first time I've been here in 4 years.
[17:05] <Kyle_S> Allright.  See you all later
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[17:08] <SirBobDobbs> the laptop 120gb sata drive and the external sata -> usb enclosure i got for 5 dollars works pretty well
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[17:11] <SirBobDobbs> shutting down to save polar bears...well at least my local system...
[17:11] Nick change: SirBobDobbs -> AFKisAFK
[17:12] <eviljames> Bah, don't bother, they'll be extinct in a few years.
[17:12] <eviljames> The climate scientists got it wrong by a longshot, they WAY underestimated.
[17:12] <eviljames> Even the most dramatic models are flawed, and they made the foolish assumption that people, upon seeing the terrifying data they put forward, would actually do something about it.
[17:12] <AFKisAFK> eviljames, lol dont spread your uninformed propaganda!
[17:13] <AFKisAFK> offtopic boy is offtopic
[17:13] <eviljames> How long until you're actually afk?
[17:13] <fire|bird> AFKisAFK: stop changing your nick, I own the #1 spot for most changed nicks, don't take that away from me. :P
[17:13] <Necos> time to go get my TB test read... bbl
[17:14] <fire|bird> later Necos
[17:14] <Necos> heh, i don't have TB...
[17:14] <Necos> but mandatory for LAUSD
[17:14] <Necos> stupid regulations lol
[17:14] <Necos> laters
[17:14] <fire|bird> later
[17:14] <dive> The Moon is Full
[17:14] <dive> hi all
[17:15] <eviljames> dive: That explains a lot.
[17:15] <DeeeeP> hi dive
[17:15] <fire|bird> greetings dive, how goes?
[17:15] <dive> ok thanks, yourself?
[17:15] <fire|bird> dive: doing excellent, thanks. I'm on flux right now, trying to build kde 4.3 and failing.
[17:15] <dive> fire|bird, hows the vm going?
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[17:17] <fire|bird> dive: excellently. qemu rocks
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[17:17] <fire|bird> s/qemu/qemu + kqemu/
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[17:24] <dive> fire|bird, did you get any joy using that windows image?
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[17:24] <fire|bird> dive: working on it now, I can get it, but I need to make a partition on the winxp.img I made so I can restore the clonezilla files to it.
[17:25] <fire|bird> dive: What would be the best way to do that. Is there a qemu command that can do it?
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[17:26] <dive> fire|bird, well I think you either have to use he windows guest to create it, or use qemu-img to make another disk which you can use as D:\
[17:26] <dchmelik> did someone mention lusing windows?
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[17:27] <fire|bird> does qemu-img give it a partition too, is it size specifiable.
[17:28] <dive> you can set the size but it's usually raw so need to create partition/format in guest I think
[17:28] <fire|bird> dive: ok, thanks.
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[17:28] <antiwire> qemu-img just creates a disk file with no partitions defined, like a brand new disk. You can spec the virtual disk size but just will need to partition and format it later
[17:29] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, what I was trying to do now is restore that clonezilla stuff I made, but I need the winxp.img I made to have a partition first.
[17:29] <antiwire> I don't fully understand what you're trying to setup here
[17:29] <dive> windows disk managemant
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[17:30] <dive> fire|bird, have you used administration tools before?
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[17:30] <antiwire> What will your qemu commandline look like?
[17:30] <fire|bird> antiwire: That image of the laptop hdd I made with clonezilla, I'm trying to run clonezilla live cd in qemu to restore that image to the qemu virtual disk I made (winxp.img), but I need a partition on the virtual disk first.
[17:30] <fire|bird> dive: yeah, when I used windows before linux on XP. :)
[17:31] <antiwire> fire|bird: how are you going to tell the booted liveCD about the clonezilla files that are outside of the VM?
[17:31] <fire|bird> Ah ha, I figured it out, I started qemu with a gparted live cd. :D
[17:31] <dive> fire|bird, ah so you haven't installed windows in there at all?
[17:31] <fire|bird> antiwire: they are on the external hdd so I told qemu to access that device.
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[17:31] <slackytude> fire|bird, you moving a physical machine to a vm?
[17:32] <fire|bird> antiwire: It all is working except I needed a partition on the qemu virtual disk.
[17:32] <antiwire> what does your command to start qemu look like?
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[17:32] <antiwire> i'm curious at this point, are you starting it with multiple hard disk options? that's the only way this makes sense
[17:33] <fire|bird> antiwire: qemu -boot d -cdrom /home/firebird/Desktop/gparted-live-0.4.5-2.iso -usb -usbdevice host:1058:1100 -hda /home/firebird/QEMU/winxp.img
[17:33] <antiwire> ok so the hdd is a USB device
[17:33] <fire|bird> yes
[17:33] <antiwire> got it
[17:33] <fire|bird> sorry if I didn't explain it well the first time.
[17:33] <antiwire> yeah i was confused
[17:33] <antiwire> all good now
[17:34] <fire|bird> partition is being created now. Man qemu rocks. :D
[17:35] <antiwire> I haven't had much success in actually booting a windows XP disk image in qemu that was previously a physical system
[17:35] <antiwire> I hope it works
[17:36] <slackytude> antiwire, did you sysprep it?
[17:36] <antiwire> Since my attempts there have also been a lot of bug fixes with qemu though
[17:36] <fire|bird> antiwire: I'll let you know if it works.
[17:36] <antiwire> slackytude: nope
[17:36] <dive> fire|bird, notice the speed difference between making an image in qemu and making one in vbox? ;-)
[17:36] <slackytude> antiwire, need to do that afaik
[17:36] <fire|bird> dive: oh yeah.
[17:36] <antiwire> slackytude: sysprep before i create the image with or after I create the dd image?
[17:36] <antiwire> with dd**
[17:37] <slackytude> antiwire, before, it will put windows in a state for redeplyoment
[17:37] <antiwire> awesome.
[17:37] <antiwire> I'll test it tonight maybe
[17:37] <antiwire> slackytude: so i can run sysprep from within the booted windows XP physical system, shutdown and dd the image to file?
[17:37] <slackytude> otherwise it will crap out on new hardware and stuff
[17:37] <slackytude> aye
[17:37] <antiwire> sounds good.
[17:37] <antiwire> thanks slackytude
[17:37] <slackytude> check google for sysprep
[17:38] <slackytude> for the details
[17:38] <antiwire> yeah i'm at technet already
[17:38] <slackytude> there are some gotchas of course
[17:38] <slackytude> kay
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[17:39] <fire|bird> slackytude: yeah, I used clonezilla to make an image of my lappy hdd to put into a vm.
[17:39] <slackytude> fire|bird, did you sysprep it?
[17:39] <antiwire> it might explode, like my experiences...unless clonezilla syspreps
[17:40] <fire|bird> slackytude: nope, I didn't know of sysprep until now.
[17:40] <slackytude> fire|bird, likely will not start / work corretcly then
[17:40] <fire|bird> Well, if it fails, it fails, if it succeeds, it succeeds.
[17:40] <slackytude> aye
[17:40] <antiwire> if it fails just sysprep the disk and image again
[17:40] <antiwire> then you can use freaking dd
[17:41] <fire|bird> antiwire: not really, the external hdd is fat32. :/
[17:41] <antiwire> convert it
[17:41] <fire|bird> it's not mine
[17:41] <fire|bird> or I would
[17:42] <fire|bird> The only other drive I could use is my own 120G external drive, but that's full of my /home backup
[17:43] <dive> fire|bird, if all else fails you can install windows in vm, install clonzilla, copy image into vm, open with clonezilla and grab files?
[17:44] <fire|bird> dive: that could work, yes.
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[17:49] <dchmelik> Vejur commands the carbon-based units
[17:49] <dchmelik> anyone ever owned root on Vejur?
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[17:51] <dive> http://xkcd.com/619/
[17:52] <eviljames> dive: posted twice already, but still true :D
[17:52] <dive> yeah very relevant
[17:52] <missyjane> i dont understand todays xkcd
[17:52] <missyjane> what is ti talking about?
[17:55] <antiwire> are you serious?
[17:55] <fire|bird> dive: haha, nice.
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[17:55] <fire|bird> missyjane: you no comprehendo? :P
[17:55] <missyjane> fire|bird, nope id ont get it
[17:55] <antiwire> it's a knock at flash, suggesting that scaling linux to 4k cpus will happen quicker than adobe will make flash work smoothly
[17:55] <fire|bird> :(, that's sad. :P
[17:55] <missyjane> oooh
[17:55] <antiwire> and now that the joke has been epxlained...it is ruined
[17:56] <fire|bird> When you have to explain a joke, it just isn't funny anymore.
[17:56] <missyjane> its fine
[17:56] <slackytude> wow, linux runs on 4k cores, now? awesome!!!11
[17:57] <slackytude> whats that flash thing ?
[17:57] <dive> http://xkcd.com/364/
[17:58] <antiwire> hahaha
[17:58] <antiwire> that's awesome
[17:58] <dive> although I've never been to a key signing party...
[17:58] <slackytude> lol
[17:58] <slackytude> I have
[17:58] <missyjane> lol public key
[17:59] <fire|bird> hahahaha
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[17:59] <jeev> that's pretty funny
[17:59] <slackytude> man, there was this girl firday night, and I *so* signed her public key, dude. you know what I mean
[17:59] <spook> oh. right.
[17:59] <spook> this joke.
[17:59] <jeev> or i imported her key
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[18:00] <slackytude> jeev, O_o
[18:00] <slackytude> jeev, sure she was a she?
[18:00] <dive> oh man (sorry about posting these but they are 'kin funny) http://xkcd.com/351/
[18:00] <slackytude> nice
[18:00] <missyjane> hahaha
[18:00] <missyjane> i love rick astley
[18:00] <dive> .
[18:00] <missyjane> the fact he can come up with this :)
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[18:01] <dive> this has got to be posted on uta
[18:02] <jeev> slackytude ;)
[18:02] <Keiffer> Hi. I've set up a SSH server with RSA keys. I connect to server localy "ssh me@computer". It shows the banner, asks for private key pass. And then... Conection closed by UNKNOWN
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[18:03] <dchmelik> I had problems with ssh too
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[18:03] <mancha> ssh -i keyname me@computer
[18:03] <dchmelik> like one of my slackware computers thinks the key of the other computer is wrong
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[18:03] <xabi> what's a good and cheap domain name provider ?
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[18:04] <spook> NEVER GOING TO give you up
[18:04] <spook> never going to let you down
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[18:04] <eviljames> never going to click that link... agaiiiinn...
[18:04] <spook> xabi: godaddy
[18:05] <dchmelik> NEVER GOING TO lack slack.  never going to luse windows
[18:05] <xabi> spook: thanks
[18:06] <spook> xabi: just delegate the dns elsewhere
[18:06] <xabi> spook: why ?
[18:06] <Keiffer> mancha, same error.
[18:07] <spook> xabi: because they suck.  but they are cheap
[18:07] <xabi> spook: oh hehe
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[18:07] <dchmelik> Mad Max beyond Ganjadome: Masta Rasta rules Ganjadome!
[18:07] <mancha> Keiffer, can you use -v and post the log on some pastebin?
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[18:09] <Keiffer> http://pastebin.org/6820
[18:10] <jeev> https://www.blackcard.com/ how gay
[18:10] <xabi> spook:i think this site is cheaper ever heard of them ? http://www.namecheap.com/domain-pricing.asp?fieldno=0&orderby=ASC&Pane=show&tld=com&pricefor=register
[18:10] <jeev> $495 annual fee
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[18:11] <spook> lol.
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[18:11] <mancha> it doesn't accept your private key
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[18:13] <mancha> i imagine the answer is yes but i'll ask anyways, you put this public key on the server side, .ssh/authorized_keys2 right?
[18:15] <Keiffer> mancha, i am trying this locally. i have only one comp now
[18:15] <mancha> thats fine, did you put the public key in the file i mentioend?
[18:15] <fire|bird> haha, one of the fs's clonezilla has/mounts is /live/cow :P
[18:15] <Keiffer> id did scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub wolfe@section1
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[18:16] <Keiffer> in /.ssh there are ony 2 files privkey and pubkey. no folders
[18:16] <mancha> ok let me say it another way, the server (sshd) needs the file ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 in it you must put the public's of all keys you want to be ble to log in
[18:17] <fire|bird> antiwire: bah, it's failing. Can't have a partition outside the disk. :P
[18:18] <Urchlay> oh crap
[18:18] <fire|bird> y0 Urchlay
[18:18] <Urchlay> I just discovered I can't swap my kensington trakballs while X is runnin
[18:18] <mancha> Keiffer, cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub > .ssh/authorized_keys; chmod 600 .ssh/authorized_keys
[18:19] <fire|bird> Urchlay: ouch
[18:19] <fire|bird> Urchlay: found out the hard way?
[18:19] <Urchlay> oh, wait, yes I can, it freaked out and registered random mouse movement/buttons for about 5 seconds, it's OK now
[18:19] <fire|bird> haha
[18:19] <fire|bird> so s/can't swap/can swap/
[18:19] <mancha> swap(can't swap,can swap);
[18:20] <Urchlay> I have 2 of them, they're both 10+ years old. One is about worn out (it feels like it's full of gravel, and cleaning it doesn't help)
[18:20] <Pig_Pen> http://www.foundshit.com/mini-cooper-minidesk/
[18:21] <fire|bird> Pig_Pen: that's cool.
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[18:21] <Pig_Pen> yeah, be nice to have one, or one made from the old style VW bug
[18:21] <fire|bird> One of only a few desks that need an oil change every 3,000 keystrokes
[18:22] <Keiffer> mancha, ok. did that. now I have a folder "athorized_keys" with the pubkey in it
[18:22] <mancha> no folder!
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[18:23] <antiwire> authorized_keys is a file with all the authorized keys
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[18:23] <mancha> okay dude, do this _exactly_ as i write it:  (1) cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub > .ssh/authorized_keys  (2) chmod 600 .ssh/authorized_keys
[18:23] <Keiffer> antiwire... a ok
[18:23] <slackytude> any reason why you not use ssh-agent?
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[18:24] <mancha> do this from your homedir, not inside any directory
[18:24] <Keiffer> done
[18:24] <mancha> ok, now you should be able to login
[18:25] <Keiffer> Password:
[18:25] <agentc0re|work> Pig_Pen: LOL
[18:25] <Keiffer> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
[18:26] <Keiffer> keeps asking me the pass
[18:27] <Urchlay> actually. mkdir ~/.ssh ; chmod 0700 ~/.ssh
[18:27] <slackytude> ssh-copy-id
[18:27] <slackytude> y0!
[18:27] <agentc0re|work> (424): Do u kno any dealers?  (1-424): I've officially lost all respect for you, dad.
[18:27] <agentc0re|work> LMAO
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[18:27] <Urchlay> (IIRC, sshd will ignore your ~/.ssh if the permissions are too, um, permissive)
[18:27] <slackytude> it will
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[18:27] <fire|bird> antiwire: Would dd make an image much larger than clonezilla did? I know you're not familiar with clonezilla, but I was just curious. It made the image about 20G
[18:28] <antiwire> fire|bird: dd will create an image the same size of the disk
[18:28] <Keiffer> mancah, managed to connect
[18:28] <fire|bird> including the empty space?
[18:28] <antiwire> yes
[18:28] <mancha> great, what was the missing bit?
[18:28] <eviljames> indeed.  It's a perfect copy
[18:28] <Keiffer> but isn't the password of the privatekey i must input?
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[18:28] <fire|bird> ah crap, that'll be 160G
[18:28] <mancha> Keiffer, yes
[18:28] <fire|bird> well, a little less.
[18:28] <slackytude> gnight yo al
[18:28] <antiwire> dd creates forensic quality images
[18:28] <fire|bird> night slackytude
[18:29] <slackytude> and you better check out ssh-copy-id
[18:29] <fire|bird> antiwire: alright, then I can't put it to the freespace on my 120G external drive. :P
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[18:29] <Keiffer> ok. so when i connect to a windows machine what should I do? with the pubkey i mean
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[18:29] <mancha> what ssh server is the windows machine running?
[18:30] <Urchlay> fire|bird: you could pipe dd through gzip, if you wanted a smaller image (and if you weren't in a hurry!)
[18:30] <antiwire> Urchlay: the idea here is to create a raw binary image for direct use with qemu
[18:30] <Urchlay> ah
[18:30] <antiwire> clonezilla dorked it all up
[18:31] <Keiffer> i want to connect from win to linux. with putty
[18:31] <fire|bird> antiwire: Well, the other external drive has the space, just not an fs to support that big of file.
[18:31] <Urchlay> uhm, why not just create a file of the correct size and mke2fs on it then?
[18:31] <fire|bird> bbiab
[18:31] <antiwire> Keiffer: you put the public key on the windows system and point putty to the keys....
[18:31] <antiwire> Urchlay: because this is a windows system being migrated from physical to vm
[18:31] <mancha> on linux you put the public key in authorized_keys, and on the putty side you must import the private key
[18:31] <Urchlay> oh
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[18:32] <Urchlay> ehm, will that ever work? windows doesn't migrate well even from one real machine to another
[18:32] <antiwire> Urchlay: yes it will work
[18:32] <antiwire> you prep the disk first, then image
[18:32] <Keiffer> antiwire, ok. thanks
[18:32] <Keiffer> mancha, thank you too
[18:32] <antiwire> Urchlay: sysprep from MS does the deal
[18:32] <mancha> iirc putty understands openssh keys natively, so you just config that in the connection configuration in putty
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[18:33] <Keiffer> is this bad "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key." ?
[18:33] <Necos> well, i don't have TB... lol
[18:33] <Keiffer> then ask me the pass
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[18:33] <Keiffer> What pass, i don't know.. my computers?
[18:33] <Necos> >.>
[18:34] <Keiffer> Yes.. the root pass... input it and bang... full control, no password for key
[18:34] <antiwire> ...
[18:35] <Keiffer> what?
[18:35] <Keiffer> If i ssh again it asks for the privkey pass
[18:35] <mancha> that doesn't sound very good from where i sit. if you have pubey auth it should ask for a passphrase (to the private key) nota password (to the account)
[18:35] <antiwire> setting up your keys with a passphrase pretty much negates the whole reason for using keys
[18:35] <eviljames> The behaviour is expected - you could use no private key password.
[18:36] <antiwire> you might as well just use password auth
[18:36] <antiwire> the point of using keys is so that 1. no password is sent and 2. automation.
[18:36] <antiwire> root login via ssh should be disabled anyway.
[18:37] <Keiffer> so you think thats the main cause? cause i have my private key protected?
[18:37] <mancha> with a privkey passwd your #1 is still maintained
[18:37] <Necos> root login via ssh is evil...
[18:37] <antiwire> mancha: but you can't automate transfers as easily
[18:37] <mancha> so using pki with your privkey protected still kepps people from bruteforceing the passwd on the server side
[18:38] <Keiffer> So, what's next? I had disable auth with pass in config file.
[18:38] <antiwire> Keiffer: disable root logins and setup a user for key auth
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[18:40] <agentc0re|work> (972): Sometimes I stick my finger in my own ass and pretend its a vagina. I think its kinda weird. What do you think?	LMAO!!
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[18:40] <agentc0re|work> Oh man this site just doesn't end..
[18:41] <agentc0re|work> http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/recent/5
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[18:41] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: pure gold.
[18:42] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: Did we have sex last night?
[18:42] <amazon10x> hello
[18:42] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: I think that was the general idea until I got you undressed and you puked on me.
[18:42] <eviljames> best one yet.
[18:42] <agentc0re|work> eviljames: LOL
[18:42] <Keiffer> i will stop openssh for now, so you won't try to bruteforce me
[18:43] <agentc0re|work> eviljames: (310): Her vagina felt like a horse was eating an apple out of my hand..	
[18:43] <agentc0re|work> HAHHA
[18:43] Action: missyjane withdraw
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[18:43] <amazon10x> anyone used kde 4.3 yet?
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[18:44] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: Please stop sending me picture messages of your shit.  Seriously.  I don't care if it looks like popcorn chicken.
[18:44] <missyjane> amazon10x, its amazing
[18:44] <dchmelik> let us make a new sci-fi RPG called L&L: Linux & Lasers.  bbl.
[18:44] <jeev> lol popcorn chicken
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[18:45] <spook> 6:45am, too early to start drinking?
[18:45] <eviljames> spook: Too late, you should be halfway through a case by now.
[18:45] <amazon10x> missyjane: zomg. i must have it
[18:45] <spook> or in the words of lionel huttz, yeah but i havent slept in days
[18:45] <amazon10x> i've been using windows almost all summer long. it's killing me
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[18:46] <spook> amazon10x: i'll show you
[18:46] <antiwire> missyjane: you are running 4.3?
[18:46] Action: spook stabs amazon10x with a frozen eel
[18:46] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: They told me I spent half the night at the club with one ball hanging out my shorts.  Apparently it got me 1 free drink, 2 numbers, and thrown out.
[18:47] <missyjane> antiwire, no but i have used it on livecd
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[18:47] <missyjane> amazon10x, indeed, ive been asking for a way to get kde4 to work on 12.1 without current
[18:47] <spook> dont even try.
[18:47] <amazon10x> missyjane: why don't you want -current?
[18:47] <spook> 12.2 i would, but 12.1? yuuuuck
[18:48] <missyjane> amazon10x, too risky, i dont know the best current iso to use and i dont want to use rsync
[18:48] <amazon10x> missyjane: you just install 12.2, then you update with slackpkg
[18:49] <missyjane> 12.2 gave me problems
[18:49] <missyjane> problems nobody here believed i had so i didnt bother
[18:50] <missyjane> ill wait for 13
[18:50] <amazon10x> missyjane: what kind of problems
[18:50] <missyjane> kde problems, kde didnt work well
[18:50] <amazon10x> ahh
[18:50] <eviljames> I don't believe it.
[18:50] <missyjane> another example, konsole would crash when i hit x (ironically)
[18:50] <missyjane> lol see?
[18:50] <jeev> anyone here a big shot, what's your highest credit card limit
[18:50] <amazon10x> what version did you use
[18:50] <eviljames> jeev: Black Amex
[18:50] <amazon10x> jeev: i'm a high roller
[18:50] <amazon10x> jeev: i lied.
[18:50] <jeev> eviljames, i have a black amex dickface
[18:50] <amazon10x> hahaha
[18:50] <jeev> http://x.jeev.net/bc/
[18:50] <agentc0re|work> eviljames: LOL (801): My husband just tried to seduce me by saying we can do it doggystyle so you can watch tv	
[18:51] <jeev> hahaha TO YOU
[18:51] <agentc0re|work> eviljames: Heh, you're looking at them as i had already read those :P  hehe.,  http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/areacode/801  change 801 to your areacode.
[18:51] <amazon10x> jeev: what's the limit on it
[18:51] <jeev> 120K
[18:51] <jeev> on mine
[18:51] <amazon10x> oh, it's business
[18:51] <jeev> same shit, they'll send me a personal if i ask
[18:51] <jeev> but american express is gay
[18:51] <jeev> and frankly is not worth the annual fee anymore
[18:52] <amazon10x> jeev: pics or it didn't happen
[18:52] <amazon10x> oh
[18:52] <amazon10x> there's an annual fee? you got owned
[18:52] <jeev> 2500$
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[18:52] <eviljames> Also, it is supposed to have $0 limit.
[18:52] <jeev> anyway
[18:52] <jeev> eviljames, it is
[18:52] <jeev> but the actual limit in which i've tested it to
[18:52] <jeev> is $120k
[18:52] <eviljames> ahh
[18:52] <jeev> if you want to use more, you have to request + documentation
[18:52] <jeev> and it's a gay process cause amex is now owned by jews last i heard
[18:52] <jeev> so that means, you can't take from them, they can only take from you
[18:53] <spook> i'm hungry
[18:53] <spook> make me some freaking food.
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[18:53] <amazon10x> jeev: what did you buy that costed 120k
[18:53] <jeev> anwyay, you guys got high limit cards?
[18:53] <jeev> servers
[18:53] <amazon10x> ahh
[18:53] <eviljames> Truly, I don't use credit cards at all.
[18:53] <amazon10x> nah, my CC is low limit
[18:53] <eviljames> I also have $0 in debt, so it's pretty good.
[18:53] <amazon10x> and i use it like a debit card
[18:53] <jeev> ahh
[18:53] <jeev> i have 0 debt too.
[18:54] <spook> i need a debit card
[18:54] <amazon10x> oh check this out
[18:54] <amazon10x> i took a check for $800 and put it on my CC
[18:54] <amazon10x> which only had like $100 charged on it
[18:54] <amazon10x> so my balance went to -$700
[18:54] <amazon10x> i sure showed them, huh?
[18:55] <antiwire> that's pretty stupid
[18:55] <antiwire> you just gave them a free loan...
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[18:55] <amazon10x> lol
[18:55] <amazon10x> i knew i'd spend it over the next month or two anyway
[18:55] <amazon10x> actually... bill is due soon, i shoudl check it
[18:55] <antiwire> how much interest would they have charged you against a 700$ balance?
[18:56] <jeev> hey i wonder if they'd give you interest back ;)
[18:56] <spook> theres some cool deals around, like credit cards that have 59 days interest free.
[18:56] <amazon10x> 12.9% i think
[18:56] <josteint> hi. i have a laptop msi wind u100 with a realtek 8187se. i am using rtl8187se module driver, and the wireless network works just fine. but the speed is slow... i get max 100 kB/s. should not it be at least 1 mB/s?
[18:56] <amazon10x> so it'd be awesome if they gave me that much interest on it
[18:56] <spook> josteint: no.
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[18:56] <amazon10x> josteint: details on access point please
[18:56] <spook> josteint: l2 networking.
[18:56] <spook> amazon10x: no.
[18:56] <amazon10x> oh nice, i'm still at -$270
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[18:57] <spook> josteint: bits, bytes, duplexes, overhead, 802.11
[18:57] <josteint> amazon10x: dlink 524
[18:57] <amazon10x> josteint: do you have another wireless laptop to compare
[18:57] <Dominian> rworkman: ping
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[18:58] <josteint> i might be wrong, but i remember that i got it much faster some days ago... got 700 kB/s... might be my other machine
[18:58] <antiwire> 802.11 isn't L2
[18:58] <antiwire> 802.11 defines modulation and frequency that is certainly not L2
[18:58] <spook> antiwire: i'm just buzzwording
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[18:58] <spook> antiwire: if he'd done the research he'd know.  it was a test.
[18:59] <josteint> amazon10x: yes. my other computer gets 700 kB/s. just did a test
[18:59] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, is it possible, on this external hdd, to make a fs to store the laptop hdd image?
[18:59] <josteint> amazon10x: that is with the wireless
[18:59] <Dominian> anyone else do a clean install with the latest -current and have slackware finding lvm crap?
[18:59] <antiwire> fire|bird: just use windows to convert the fat32 volume to ntfs
[19:00] <spook> Dominian: not so much latest
[19:00] <fire|bird> antiwire: but that looses data, correct?
[19:00] <spook> didnt have that problem.
[19:00] <antiwire> no
[19:00] <antiwire> fire|bird: that is non-destructive
[19:00] <amazon10x> fire|bird: `convert` on windows
[19:00] <amazon10x> from the command line
[19:00] <fire|bird> oh, it doesn't, sweet.
[19:00] <Dominian> well it appears its picking up on lvm somewhere
[19:00] <fire|bird> antiwire: That's the route I shall take then, thanks.
[19:00] <Dominian> and I need to blow it away
[19:01] <josteint> from iwconfig big rate is 36 Mb/S
[19:02] <josteint> http://pastebin.com/d3afacb88
[19:02] <antiwire> we see your key...
[19:03] <josteint> oh...
[19:03] <josteint> hehe, but i guess you are far away from me
[19:03] <Dominian> nevermind.. dd to the rescue
[19:03] <amazon10x> josteint: what encryption are you using?
[19:04] <amazon10x> oh, missed your link. try turning off encryption
[19:04] <josteint> amazon10x: wep
[19:04] <josteint> 128bit
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[19:06] <antiwire> josteint: Depending on your location, hardware and your neighbors, you might consider switching to WPA2-AES. the key size for WEP doesn't make a difference in how easily it is broken but the chances of your personal network being attacked by someone aren't all that high, usually.
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[19:09] <fire|bird> antiwire: conversion in progress.
[19:09] <josteint> antiwire: i see. i have heard that wep is easy to crack, but still chances are low that it will happen here. but would switching to wpa2-eas increase speed? the other computer gets 700 kB/s with the wireless, and it is further away. it should be possible to get mroe than 100 kB/s, right?
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[19:12] <josteint> both computers have 54 MB/s as bit rate from iwconfig
[19:12] <spook> player? i 'ardly know her!
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[19:13] <antiwire> josteint: moving to WPA2-AES won't increase the speed of the network. I have a feeling that you are experiencing problems with the drivers
[19:13] <josteint> antiwire: i agree
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[19:14] <josteint> they have been reported as unstable and for teesting. have not updated them for quite a while. i will update and do a new test
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[19:16] <fire|bird> brb
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[19:16] <eviljames> bahahaah
[19:16] <Pig_Pen> josteint: do you live in an apartment or in a crowded neighborhood where the chances are greater that someone could try to hitchhike on your wifi?
[19:17] <eviljames> I'm surrounded by gay midgets, not sure if I'm bragging or asking for rescue.  wait for follow-up
[19:17] <hitest> lol
[19:17] <eviljames> hitest: http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/recent/9
[19:17] <eviljames> absolute GOLD.
[19:17] <Pig_Pen> eviljames: get a video camera and sell videos online, you'll make millions
[19:17] <hitest> click
[19:18] <Pig_Pen> i read that page everyday, there are some awesome entries at textsfromlastnight
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[19:18] <missyjane> http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Profession someone help me decide what i should play
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[19:18] <eviljames> hitest: From the crime scene it appears I attempted to throw up into a candle.
[19:18] <eviljames> another brilliant entry :P
[19:19] <lotec> anyone set up ipv6 on a t1 card?
[19:19] <missyjane> actually
[19:19] <missyjane> what would you guys play?
[19:19] <hitest> :-)
[19:19] Action: Billtoo thinks that is a wise move :)
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[19:20] <eviljames> Nothing is worse than puking naked in front of strangers.
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[19:20] <Pig_Pen> is that something like dungeons & dragons?
[19:21] <Pig_Pen> missyjane: ^
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[19:29] <eviljames> Man, I wish I didn't grow such a fine mustache.
[19:29] <eviljames> It's ALWAYS hard to shave it off, I grow so attached to the soupstrainer
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[19:30] <antiwire> I wish I could grow it or not grow it on demand
[19:30] <antiwire> shaving sucks
[19:30] <Pig_Pen> i shaved my head, all i have left is a bushy mustache and bushy eyebrows
[19:33] <josteint> antiwire: this is info of the driver i am using http://pastebin.com/d13b5395b from linux 2.6.29.6. the wlan i have is not usb....
[19:33] <missyjane> Pig_Pen, yes its based off on that, then they developed their own storyline
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[19:34] <antiwire> josteint: I don't know what to tell you to do. I have a USB rtl8187 and it works great
[19:35] <josteint> antiwire: i will google for some forums or such. thank you anyway :)
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[19:38] <josteint> is there a small and simple torrnet client in slackware-current? ktorrent is a bit bloaty since i am running fluxbox
[19:39] <spook> josteint: bittorrent
[19:39] <josteint> *bloated
[19:39] <josteint> spook: where is it and what is the name of the program? bittorent does not exist
[19:39] <antiwire> it's in extra/
[19:40] <josteint> ah, ok. can i get the stuff from extras in an easy way like slackpkg?
[19:40] <spook> yes
[19:40] <josteint> how do I do that?
[19:40] <spook> slackpkg gets from /extra too
[19:40] <spook> slackpkg install bittorrent
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[19:41] <josteint> so slackpkg does not install it with update, install-new?
[19:42] <josteint> oh, nice! i see it with slackpkg install bittorrent :) is there a command to see the list of all extras with slackpkg?
[19:42] <antiwire> josteint: slackpkg knows about extra but don't ask about installing stuff from there unless you make it
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[19:43] <josteint> i persume upgrade-all will also upgrade bittorrent now automatically?
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[19:44] <darkjeff> Night
[19:44] <josteint> bittorrent is just great! thanks, spook :)
[19:44] <spook> lol.
[19:44] <spook> dont thank me, i havent slept and started drinking an hour ago
[19:45] <antiwire> I'll starting drinking whiskey from the bottle again, to make spook feel better
[19:46] <josteint> how do I get a list of all stuff in extras with slackpkg?
[19:48] <spook> you cant
[19:48] <spook> ls /extra
[19:48] <josteint> ok. i guess that is fine
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[19:48] <fire|bird> antiwire: well, that conversion failed, I'm trying to remove a folder off the external hdd (in slackware) and I get read-only and input/output errors. :P
[19:49] <antiwire> are you sure that disk is not damaged?
[19:49] <antiwire> I have never had a convert fail
[19:49] <fire|bird> It said it had errors.
[19:50] <fire|bird> windows did
[19:50] <antiwire> it's an external USB drive right? probably got bashed around
[19:50] <josteint> spook: so the folders here are the names of the packages from extras? ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-current/extra/  not that many, though...
[19:50] <fire|bird> The disk shouldn't be damaged. I can access the stuff from linux, etc.
[19:50] <antiwire> fire|bird: you should chkdsk that disk
[19:51] <fire|bird> any options, /f, /r, or anything?
[19:52] <fire|bird> Oh man, this one folder I have on there, that I was trying to remove, the filenames are all cryptic and whatnot. :/
[19:52] <josteint> spook: i guess the names are retrieved from packages.txt
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[19:52] <fire|bird> it's like utf/unicode characters gone wild.
[19:54] <antiwire> is the data on that drive important?
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[19:58] <fire|bird> antiwire: not so much, no. I backed the whole think up to my slack box. It's a WD My Book and it has the .exe think on it and whatnot that you can run from it.
[19:59] <fire|bird> It's not mine, it's borrowed from someone to use to get this laptop drive imaged.
[19:59] <fire|bird> antiwire: Why? thinking I should wipe the whole thing out?
[20:00] <antiwire> do they use all that WD crap?
[20:00] <antiwire> fire|bird: it wouldn't hurt to just wipe it, provided the data is not critical
[20:01] <antiwire> I suggest this because I've never had a convert fail
[20:01] <antiwire> so there might be something serious wrong
[20:01] <fire|bird> possibly, they use windows. Plus, I backed the whole thing up to my slack box, so couldn't I restore that WD crap back to it afterwards?
[20:01] <antiwire> sure
[20:01] <antiwire> that's good
[20:02] <fire|bird> k, I'll do that then. What would be the command of choice for doing that, or should I do this from windows?
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[20:02] <antiwire> are you in slackware right now?
[20:02] <fire|bird> yeah
[20:03] <antiwire> fdisk the drive and first delete all parititions
[20:03] <antiwire> then remake a single partition, mark it active and set the flag to ntfs
[20:03] <fire|bird> haha, fortune, "Oh, so there you are!"
[20:04] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, it's /dev/sdd1, would I run fdisk on /dev/sdd?
[20:04] <antiwire> yes
[20:04] <antiwire> then hit d for delete
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[20:05] <antiwire> then n for new
[20:05] <antiwire> partition 1
[20:05] <antiwire> then take the default start and end
[20:05] <antiwire> the hit a to make it active
[20:05] <antiwire> then hit t for type and enter: 7
[20:06] <antiwire> then hit w to write it out to disk
[20:06] <fire|bird> whoa that was easy.
[20:06] <antiwire> then format it with mkntfs
[20:06] <antiwire> like this:
[20:07] <antiwire> mkntfs -I  -v /dev/sdd1
[20:07] <antiwire> you can set the volume name too
[20:07] <antiwire> using -L NAMEHERE
[20:08] <antiwire> this will take a bit btw
[20:08] <antiwire> i purposely told you to do it this way instead of the quick way because this way writes zeros across the drive, then formats it
[20:08] <antiwire> which will be a basic test of the media.
[20:09] <antiwire> i/o errors worry me so whenever I see that, I backup and zero the disk
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[20:11] <josteint> antiwire: hmm... speed i 700 kB/s now ... o_O  did not do anything. how odd
[20:12] <antiwire> josteint: welcome to WIFI
[20:12] <josteint> hehe
[20:12] <antiwire> it's touchy, especially if you live in an older house or work in an office building with aluminum studs
[20:14] <antiwire> it's like a cheese grater for signals
[20:15] <Alan_Hicks> Anyone here had trouble with Highpoint RocketRAID controllers?
[20:15] <Alan_Hicks> This box I got came with one, but Slackware ain't recognizing the RAID-5 array I setup in the BIOS. Sees each drive independently.
[20:16] <agentc0re> Alan_Hicks: Is it built on the motherboard?
[20:16] <Dominian> Alan_Hicks: possibly no driver in slackwre for it?
[20:16] <agentc0re> Alan_Hicks: TBH it sounds like a fakeraid card/chipset.
[20:17] <missyjane> hm...
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[20:18] <agentc0re> Alan_Hicks: If that's the case, you'd be better off doing software raid.
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[20:19] <Alan_Hicks> agentc0re: Yeah, further googling shows it as software RAID (even though I was told when I bought this box it was hardware RAID), but no big deal. I've been needing an excuse to use md anyhow.
[20:21] <missyjane> when you guys talk about computers
[20:21] <missyjane> are you mostly talking about home or work?
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[20:22] <agentc0re> 50/50 for me most of the time missyjane.
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[20:22] <Alan_Hicks> missyjane: Depends on whether I'm at home or work.
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[20:22] <quasar> home is work
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[20:23] <fire|bird> antiwire: that's done now. On to dd the dang thing now. :P
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[20:23] <missyjane> quasar, how is home work? fire|bird i had no idea you were phoenix :|
[20:23] <fire|bird> missyjane: yup, I am. phoenix^ :D
[20:25] <agentc0re> fire|bird likes to changes names around so we can pin him on anything he does wrong. :P
[20:25] <quasar> missyjane: I work at home
[20:25] <antiwire> back soon
[20:25] <antiwire> pub time
[20:25] <fire|bird> agentc0re: s/can/can't/ duh. :P
[20:25] <fire|bird> later antiwire
[20:26] <agentc0re> lol, thanks.  Guess it's time for me to change mine.
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[20:26] <missyjane> quasar, may i pm you?
[20:26] <quasar> sure
[20:26] <missyjane> lol
[20:27] <missyjane> :x
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[20:28] <ass|hat> You know when someone, anyone for that mater, changes their name to ass|hat is should play this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVTVHwAdusE
[20:29] <nachox> Alan_Hicks, has an user called sWiNjcE been around?
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[20:29] <josteint> "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. " how lame is that...
[20:30] <Alan_Hicks> nachox: How the hell should I know?
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[20:30] <ass|hat> josteint: Denis Leary "i'm an AssHole"  look for that song.
[20:30] <nachox> you would know, trust me
[20:30] <josteint> hehe, ok :)
[20:30] <nachox> it's a bot singing some evil songs
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[20:30] <phoenix^> y0 nachox, how's it going?
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[20:31] <fire|bird> wb agentc0re :)
[20:31] <agentc0re> lol thanks.
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[20:33] <fire|bird> argh, now did isn't working how it should.
[20:33] <fire|bird> s/did/dd/
[20:34] <illuz1oN> Night guys.
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[20:37] <BP{k}> nachox: is that the nick of the bot?
[20:37] <agentc0re> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10303794-37.html "the message from Apple, or at least an overzealous App Store approval team, is that iPhone or iPod Touch owners over 17 years old need to be told what kind of words they're allowed to look up on their Apple device. "
[20:38] <agentc0re> WTF.. didn't they come out with the "anti 1984" commercial with that chick breaking the screen from all the drones staring into it?
[20:38] <Dominian> nachox: issues?
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[20:44] <nachox> Dominian, not at all, i thought the bot would come here as well, so i was in warning mode
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[20:44] <Dominian> nachox: where was it at?
[20:44] <nachox> #opensolaris
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[20:45] <nachox> fun to read
[20:45] <nachox> annoying as hell to withness
[20:45] <eviljames> agentc0re: hey, why are you stealing my nick?
[20:45] <agentc0re> eviljames: it was my idea! :)
[20:46] <eviljames> heh
[20:47] <eviljames> touche.
[20:47] <agentc0re> lol
[20:47] <eviljames> anyhow, back to struggling my way through symbiotic in theory ...
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[20:53] <agentc0re> man, we were having such a good time with out you guys too..
[20:54] <usr13> I have a continuous sound like that of a rocket engine and would like to find where it is coming from and kill the process or application.  How can I find out what is generating the sound?
[20:55] <nooper> you dont like rocket engines?
[20:55] <usr13> OS=Slackware 12.1
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[20:55] <Pig_Pen> move further away from NASA
[20:55] <usr13> nooper: I don't know.  Never had one before today.
[20:55] <eviljames> usr13: lsof | grep dsp ?
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[20:56] <eviljames> usr13: lsof = ls open files, grep for what might be holding on to your sound device - kill it.
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[20:56] <BP{k}> "it's not rocket sieunce!!!"
[20:56] <usr13> lsof |grep dsp returns nothing.
[20:56] <BP{k}> sience*
[20:56] <mancha> lsof /dev/snd
[20:56] <nooper> you can do it BP{k}
[20:56] <BP{k}> usr13: are you sure it's software related, not hardware.
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[20:56] <usr13> BP{k}: Not sure at all
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[20:56] <mancha> lsof /dev/dsp too
[20:56] <usr13> lsof /dev/snd returns nothing.
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[20:57] <nooper> my speakers make a wierd noise when i jiggle the cable accidently it its loose
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[20:57] <eviljames> mine do the same, also if my cell phone is too close to them
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[20:57] <eviljames> which, of course, makes me think that if the cell phone is inducing current into the speakrs when it's nearby, I probably shouldn't hold it so close to my brain
[20:58] <usr13> lsof /dev/dsp returns:  "/dev/dsp: No such file or directory"
[20:58] <eviljames> usr13: what is the /dev entry for your sound device?
[20:58] <usr13> eviljames: I don't know.
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[20:58] <Pig_Pen> using kde? kill artsd
[20:59] <nooper> maybe your cpu fan is just really loud
[20:59] <agentc0re> http://tinyurl.com/mdsb6t  LOL
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[21:00] <missyjane> thats.. really sad
[21:00] <usr13> I'm pretty sure it is software related, because it starts about the time the Xserver gets fully loaded up.
[21:00] <BP{k}> usr13: does the sound dissapeare 1) when you are in RL3  2) RL1
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[21:01] <gnubien> usr13: run this command: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
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[21:02] <eviljames> agentc0re: ... uh ... . wtf... uh...
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[21:02] <usr13> Blsof /dev/snd/*
[21:02] <usr13> COMMAND    PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[21:02] <usr13> kmix      2747  cap   10u   CHR  116,0      7748 /dev/snd/controlC0
[21:02] Channel flood from usr13 -- kicking
[21:02] <usr13> kmix      2747  cap   11u   CHR 116,32      8005 /dev/snd/controlC1
[21:02] <usr13> amarokapp 2750  cap   14u   CHR  116,0      7748 /dev/snd/controlC0
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[21:02] <gnubien> usr13: close amarok
[21:03] <quasar> slackboy 1, usr13 0
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[21:03] <usr13> sorry
[21:04] <gnubien> usr13: close amarok
[21:05] <usr13> I closed amarok and still have noise.
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[21:05] <gnubien> usr13: your motherboard has onboard sound card and video card?
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[21:06] <usr13> gnubien: Yes... It does.
[21:07] <gnubien> usr13: ok, run this: cat /proc/asound/modules
[21:07] <usr13> haha... I just found the noise.
[21:07] <gnubien> ok
[21:07] <usr13> I'm soooooo sorry for the wild goose chase!
[21:07] <usr13> You're never gonna believe it, haha
[21:08] <usr13> The kids left the mic pluged in and was sitting in front of the fan of their PS3.
[21:08] <usr13> The noise was wind noise.
[21:08] <usr13> Sorry all, but thanks for the help anyway.
[21:08] <Pig_Pen> agentc0re: i just searched yahoo answers and there are over 22 hits on that topic, looks like a fake intended to generate shock value
[21:08] <gnubien> nice sleuthing sherlock :)
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[21:09] <Pig_Pen> see, i was not far from wrong suggesting you move furthur away from NASA
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[21:11] <BP{k}> usr13: hehe. so combined hardware/meatware problem ;)
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[21:12] <Pig_Pen> http://imgur.com/j6idM.jpg heres a good one, i would call it photo of the day
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[21:13] <superGear> sicko
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[21:13] <superGear> and offtopic!
[21:13] <quasar> lol
[21:13] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[21:14] <superGear> hi young lady
[21:14] <gnubien> pibkac  problem is between keyboard and chair :)
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[21:15] Action: andarius looks around for this young lady ....
[21:15] <BP{k}> wotcha andarius :)
[21:15] <andarius> wotcha BP{k} :)
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[21:17] Action: missyjane points
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[21:18] Action: andarius doesnt beleive it :P
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[21:18] <wintery> rez
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[21:20] <wintery> yes, a different shell
[21:20] <dchmelik> what young lady?!
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[21:20] <wintery> i'm afraid that no
[21:21] <agentc0re> Pig_Pen: I pulled that from http://whythefuckdoyouhaveakid.com/
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[21:22] <agentc0re> eviljames: (314): So I went on a date with this girl...and whos our waitress? My girlfriend got a second job she didn't tell me about to afford my bday present.   .... doh!
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[21:26] <gnubien> agentc0re: hope you didnt eat the food she served to you ;)
[21:26] <agentc0re> gnubien: http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/worst-nights/ :D
[21:27] <gnubien> agentc0re: lets write a sitcom about your worst night
[21:27] <Pig_Pen> ah, good website agentc0re
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[21:31] <agentc0re> Pig_Pen: (209): he said my vag tasted like ravioli n pennies... i forgot I was on my period 	
[21:31] <agentc0re> LOL
[21:31] <agentc0re> LMAO
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[21:36] <linuxguy2009> Hello has anyone here moved from ubuntu to slackware?
[21:36] <andarius> only smart ones
[21:37] <linuxguy2009> Im getting tired of ubuntu and want to move on. Im considering slackware.
[21:38] <andarius> It is a good option. install it and see what you think
[21:38] <linuxguy2009> andarius: If im moving from ubuntu to slackware will I need a lot of reference material like books etc?
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[21:39] <phoenix^> linuxguy2009: check the topic here for good links on resources to learn about slack. One good one being slackbook.org
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[21:39] <andarius> I honestly can not answer that. I have never used a buntu. I would say if you have a $clue, read and take your time then all the reference material you will need can be found online
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[21:40] <linuxguy2009> andarius: cool
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[21:40] <andarius> if you have only used a buntu, phoenix^'s advice is a very good starting point
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[21:41] <linuxguy2009> andarius: If you could give a description of slackware users in general about why they prefer slackware, what would you say? Just trying to form an idea.
[21:41] <quasar> screw that.. crash course - just install it and bang your head on the keyboard like the rest of us!
[21:41] <linuxguy2009> hehe
[21:41] <Pig_Pen> agentc0re: i read that just a while ago when i was at that website, i read textsfromlastnight daily, that place is gold
[21:42] <andarius> linuxguy2009: not sure, for me slackware was clean, simple and an excelent base for a system
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[21:42] <agentc0re> Pig_Pen: It totally is gold.  Man, i've been reading a ton of it.
[21:42] <linuxguy2009> ok Think Ill just download it and get started.
[21:42] <quasar> slackware, for me, was learning how to use linux instead of XFree/Xorg
[21:42] <linuxguy2009> thanks
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[21:42] <andarius> yw
[21:42] <andarius> bahh
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[21:43] <phoenix^> he'll be back when he tries sudo apt-get and it doesn't work. :P
[21:44] <quasar> nah, I have faith that he'll google apt-get in Slackware and find slapt-get .. then I'd give it a day or three and he'll be back
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[21:45] <phoenix^> because slapt-get broke his system? :P
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[21:46] <phoenix^> Ah, finally, dd is working away imaging my laptop hdd. :)
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[21:47] <quasar> possibly, unless it's changed a lot since the last time I used it (back in 2004, iirc)
[21:47] <quasar> guess it probably has, huh?
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[21:48] <phoenix^> not sure, I've never used it. I use what slack provides and sbopkg. :)
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[21:49] <missyjane> sigh
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[21:52] <quasar> lol killer chimp.. someone deserves a darwin award
[21:53] <wintery> têst
[21:54] <missyjane> it works wintery
[21:54] <wintery> \o/
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[22:00] <missyjane> elementalist, necromancer, dervish, its narrowed down to those three, PICK SLACKERS
[22:00] <antiwire> BACK!
[22:00] <antiwire> had some nice double IPA
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[22:01] <agentc0re> antiwire: Sweet!
[22:01] <agentc0re> why'd you leave?
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[22:02] <antiwire> it was time to retreat
[22:02] <hackedhead> missyjane: dervish!
[22:03] <ananke> mmm, beer.
[22:03] <missyjane> hackedhead, you too eh
[22:03] <eviljames> easily necromancer
[22:03] <hackedhead> missyjane: oh yes. hahaha
[22:03] <eviljames> people phear the dead
[22:03] <eviljames> but wtf is this for?
[22:03] Action: ananke is finishing his stone old guardian, barley wine
[22:04] <antiwire> I've had that one. it's awesome
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[22:06] <missyjane> eviljames, guild wars
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[22:07] <kitche> guildwars is still around thought it died until guild wars 2 came out
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[22:08] <missyjane> guild wars 2 isnt coming out until about 2011
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[22:09] <missyjane> and guild wars is still fun, they came out with 3-4 expansions and 4 new classes and tons of new areas to explore
[22:09] <missyjane> plus a tournament that i reccently saw, about $100,000 first prize winner
[22:09] <kitche> I have guild wars but stopped playing it when the first expansion came out
[22:10] <missyjane> how come?
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[22:11] <kitche> got bored got to the part for ascenion and stopped
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[22:12] <missyjane> oh
[22:12] <missyjane> hm
[22:12] <missyjane> not sure then, what class did you play?
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[22:13] <kitche> necro and something else
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[22:14] <missyjane> im playing at necro atm too
[22:14] <missyjane> hm
[22:14] <missyjane> dunno how some ppl get bored at free games
[22:14] <missyjane> lol
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[22:15] <quasar> I'm a necropiliac and I'm alright, I work it all day and sleep it all night
[22:15] <quasar> necrophiliac*
[22:17] <kitche> missyjane: played it back when I was in high school did not have time to play it anymore I guess
[22:17] <missyjane> i see
[22:18] <missyjane> i guess ill do some work too then..
[22:18] <kitche> I still don't have time really due to I do not work a 9-5 hour type of job
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[22:19] <missyjane> sucks then
[22:20] <kitche> I work 8 hour shift but it's like 11:00 to 7:30pm so I mainly just work and sleep anymore
[22:21] <antiwire> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/5978621/Amazing-X-ray-photographs-by-Nick-Veasey.html
[22:22] <phoenix^> antiwire: It'd be cool to have a camera like that.
[22:22] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird
[22:23] <nooper> whats image #5?
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[22:24] <fire|bird> nooper: mp3 player, ipod or something similar.
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[22:24] <nooper> er sorry, i meant #6
[22:25] <nooper> oh video camera?
[22:25] <fire|bird> yeah
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[22:26] <fire|bird> the dj turntable is cool.
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[22:28] <antiwire> my cousin in Alberta is coming down to california ;)
[22:28] <antiwire> gunna be wild
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[22:32] <missyjane> so many sluts these days
[22:32] <missyjane> oh well
[22:33] <wintery> where?
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[22:33] <wintery> show me the direction!
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[22:34] <missyjane> serious?
[22:34] <missyjane> lol
[22:35] <missyjane> http://whythefuckdoyouhaveakid.com
[22:35] <missyjane> look at all the women with kids
[22:35] <missyjane> im lucky enough to be smart enough to not have kids
[22:35] <wintery> so you're not smart enought to have some
[22:36] <wintery> but theoretycally i should be silent
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[22:36] <missyjane> o.O
[22:36] <missyjane> have some? you mean sex?
[22:36] <missyjane> i prefer sex abstinence
[22:36] <wintery> kids
[22:36] <missyjane> why would i want kids? why is it a smart thing to do?
[22:36] <wintery> so you're more mental then emotional
[22:37] <wintery> imho
[22:37] <Dominian> kids are fine as long as you have the finances for it
[22:37] <missyjane> Dominian, most people dont have the finance for it
[22:37] <missyjane> wintery, um ok
[22:37] <Dominian> missyjane: I know
[22:37] <missyjane> Dominian, and most are too young, irresponsible, etc
[22:37] <Dominian> missyjane: My wife and I weren't ready at all.. we made it just fine.
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[22:38] <missyjane> Dominian, the thing is, you and your wife are together, and your kid(s) have both parents that care
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[22:38] <missyjane> on the other hand, im talking mostly of teenager pregnancy, some of these folks cant even work due to unwillingness or unqualified
[22:38] <missyjane> im assuming you arent under 18 (as well as your wife) with absolutely no way of getting a job, etc
[22:38] <Dominian> missyjane: good point
[22:39] <Dominian> my wife is 33 I'm 32
[22:39] <missyjane> exactly
[22:39] <Dominian> our daughter will be 5
[22:39] <missyjane> :) grat
[22:39] <Dominian> bah
[22:39] <missyjane> see? daughter, some of these teenager have 2-3 kids, etc
[22:39] <BP{k}> Dominian: young'un ;)
[22:39] <missyjane> its even worse in ny
[22:39] <Dominian> she's an annoying little cuss right now
[22:39] <missyjane> tons of sluts
[22:40] <RipVanWinkle> the west is decadent
[22:41] <missyjane> so is east
[22:42] <RipVanWinkle> what about the north & south?
[22:42] <missyjane> haha
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[22:42] <missyjane> by west you mean america and europe im assuming
[22:43] <missyjane> and by east i mean asia
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[22:43] <RipVanWinkle> i think that is an old soviet russia saying
[22:44] <missyjane> lol
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[22:49] <rworkman> Dominian: pong
[22:49] <Dominian> rworkman: nevermind
[22:49] <wintery_> anyway, time to sleep, gn
[22:49] <Dominian> rworkman: reinstalled slackware64 tonight
[22:49] Action: wintery_ &
[22:49] <rworkman> Dominian: cool :)
[22:49] <Dominian> rworkman: don't even remember what I was going to ask you
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[22:49] <rworkman> hehe
[22:49] <Dominian> plus.. I've had a few beers
[22:49] <Dominian> so...
[22:50] <NthDegree> Note to self:  Never drink energy drinks ever again
[22:50] <thrice`> this is why freenode keeps fucking up today
[22:50] <Dominian> thrice`: nah.. that happened before I started drinking
[22:50] Action: NthDegree feels sick :(
[22:51] <NthDegree> I need sleep but can't sleep
[22:51] <NthDegree> and it's errr 4am I think
[22:51] <Dominian> doh
[22:52] <RipVanWinkle> NthDegree: never drink those energy drinks, if a cup or two of coffee does not fix you up then it is time for sleep
[22:52] <NthDegree> RipVanWinkle, yeah, I only drank it for the taste :(
[22:52] <RipVanWinkle> or tea
[22:53] <NthDegree> yeah tea is good, especially herbal
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[22:55] <missyjane> NthDegree, are you going to fap to me then?
[22:55] <missyjane> you know, how sexy i am
[22:55] <missyjane> :|
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[22:56] <RipVanWinkle> i am still waiting for you to post a mugshot missyjane
[22:56] <missyjane> RipVanWinkle, hm... got webcma?
[22:56] <missyjane> cam
[22:56] <RipVanWinkle> no
[22:56] <missyjane> too bad then
[22:57] <RipVanWinkle> just post one at imagebin.org
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[22:57] <missyjane> no thanks, too much of a hassle and risk among other things
[22:57] <dchmelik> no on the #slackware home page
[22:57] <missyjane> i like my privacy :)
[22:57] <thrice`> s/privacy/attention
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[22:58] <thrice`> what?  huh?
[22:58] <RipVanWinkle> missyjane: i dont blame you
[22:58] <missyjane> i also like the attention too
[22:58] <jeev> thrice!!!
[22:58] <thrice`> good1?
[22:59] <thrice`> sorry, thrice` is leaving
[22:59] <RipVanWinkle> all those stalkers in here will be running to NYC to hunt you down
[22:59] <jeev> good thrice.
[22:59] <dchmelik> the hackers at their bedroom computer with a pile of circuit boards will be running to NYC
[23:00] <missyjane> lol :p
[23:00] <dchmelik> let us see... I have 12 systems in my bedroom
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[23:00] <dchmelik> no 14
[23:01] <Dominian> wow
[23:01] <Dominian> You pay your own electric bill?
[23:01] <dchmelik> only one of them is on right now
[23:01] <dchmelik> though it is 800W
[23:01] <Dominian> hehe
[23:01] <Dominian> If I get my way in the future.. I'll have solar power just to help run my PCs :P
[23:02] <missyjane> Dominian, you cant do that now? where do you live?
[23:02] <missyjane> if you live in the south and live in a windy area, you can get the govt to pay you to instlal the solar/wind power thing
[23:02] <missyjane> you get semi-free electricity + some money
[23:02] <RipVanWinkle> i have 2 desktops and one laptop, one desktop is in the office adjacent to the livingroom for the family to use, one desktop in the bedroom i just shut down i use the nick Pig_Pen on it, this laptop i am logged in as RipVanWinkle
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[23:02] <missyjane> uh, also its a tad bit noisy but if you dont mind htat, its worth it
[23:02] <Dominian> missyjane: I could do it.. the up front cost is too much for me right now
[23:03] <missyjane> RipVanWinkle = pig_pen? whoa
[23:03] <RipVanWinkle> yup, its me
[23:03] <dchmelik> orlyic
[23:03] <dchmelik> neat
[23:03] Action: missyjane bows 
[23:03] <missyjane> hi pig_pen
[23:04] <RipVanWinkle> just an old man that took a 20 year nap and slept through the revolution
[23:04] <missyjane> :)
[23:04] <RipVanWinkle> hi sweety
[23:04] <dchmelik> why did you call her that if she does not want to show you her picture?
[23:04] <missyjane> may i pm you?
[23:05] <RipVanWinkle> me? sure
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[23:25] <dchmelik> my connection is jacked up... IRC works but nothing else
[23:26] <Wescotte> DNS servers are probably down..
[23:26] <dchmelik> yeah... I should try some different ones
[23:26] <dchmelik> I think my ISP uses public servers
[23:26] <antiwire> are you on cable?
[23:27] <dchmelik> wireless
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[23:27] <Wescotte> I think he means is your ISP a cable provider...
[23:27] <dchmelik> well cable is not wireless... I am on wireless from a satellite tower
[23:28] <antiwire> i understood
[23:29] <Wescotte> I thought when you said wireless you mean 802.11 stuff..
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[23:29] <andarius> may still be ;)
[23:29] <Wescotte> heh true
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[23:30] <dchmelik> this machine is but not the one i tested other ports on just to see this machine did not have a slow connection... the whole connection is jacked up so it must be DNS
[23:30] <dchmelik> it happens a lot
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[23:32] <Wescotte> you could setup caching so at least sites you visited recently would still be accessible without knowing the ip off hand.
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[23:33] <dchmelik> that is a good idea
[23:33] <Wescotte> I used to have an ISP that DNS servers went down frequently and it was a pain until I did some caching..
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[23:34] <Wescotte> and I suspect your browsing might be faster too as satellite has to have higher latency
[23:34] <dchmelik> anyone heard of the DNS servers 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.3?
[23:34] <Chakravanti> Anyone play Alien Arena in slackware?  Know why i'm not generating screenshots even though crx says it generated them?
[23:34] <dchmelik> i looked them up once and it said they were public
[23:34] <Wescotte> not I..
[23:34] <gtludwig> hey all
[23:34] <Strykar> dchmelik, I use them
[23:35] <dchmelik> Strykar, are you on Washington Broadband?
[23:35] <Strykar> no
[23:36] <dchmelik> I guess they are public then... I wonder if you are having some problems currently too....
[23:36] <Strykar> no, save my ISPs DNS sucks too
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[23:36] <dchmelik> it must be this hop field they planted in the way of the antenna or something
[23:37] <dchmelik> no then I would not be on IRC... it is weird....
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[23:40] <rworkman> dchmelik: yeah, those are verizon iirc
[23:40] <rworkman> dchmelik: you should set up a caching dns on your system - it's braindead easy.  See /etc/named.conf
[23:41] <rworkman> Seriously, it's as easy as doing "/etc/rc.d/rc.bind start" and then changing /etc/resolv.conf to have "nameserver localhost"
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[23:41] <fire|bird> rworkman: I failed miserably at kde 4.3 build. :P I shall try conquering it another day.
[23:42] <Strykar> dchmelik, or use dnsmasq: chmod +x /etc/rc./rc.dnsmaq
[23:42] <wire-anti> fire|bird: why that?
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[23:42] <fire|bird> wire-anti: I was trying to build kde 4.3 and it didn't go well. :) I use kde 4.2.4 now.
[23:42] <rworkman> fire|bird: oops :)
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[23:42] <draeath> Just dropping in to say you rock! Still no problems for me in slackware64-current
[23:43] <rworkman> fire|bird: hint: you'll have to update strigi, soprano, and akonadi first
[23:43] <wire-anti> fire|bird: OH I had known already .. what I'd like to know are the reasons
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[23:44] <fire|bird> rworkman: It failed on kdebase-workspace. Ah, I had upgraded Akonadi, didn't give strigi or soprano a thought. Thanks for the hint.
[23:44] <tanamo> will slack13 provide kde4.3 in extra?
[23:44] <b0tn3t> oh hai
[23:44] <rworkman> fire|bird: also you need jdk installed
[23:44] <rworkman> tanamo: no
[23:45] <fire|bird> rworkman: yup, got that installed
[23:45] <b0tn3t> i have managed to break python a little bit, "undefined symbol PyUnicodeUCS4_Decode" i need to reinstall python-xml or pyxml, or whatever slackware labels that package, if anyone can point to the right direction i would be mch obliged
[23:45] <Dominian> crap I need to get flash installed
[23:46] <dchmelik> I was just calling my ISP... I have bind running or runnable, so I will try this
[23:46] <dchmelik> what is the difference between bind and dnsmasq
[23:46] <dchmelik> I thought dnsmasq is just some LAN daemon
[23:47] <Dominian> dnsmasq can provide dhcp and dns caching for a lan
[23:47] <Dominian> all rolle dinto one
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[23:48] <dchmelik> my parents did not want to learn Slackware so there is no LAN here... but I guess soon I will have no DNS problem and they will
[23:50] <fire|bird> rworkman: beings I have the others built up to kdebase-workspace, am I able to remove the ones before that from the KDE.SlackBuild which I have built already so that it doesn't go through and build them again?
[23:51] <rworkman> yep
[23:52] <fire|bird> cool, thanks.
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[23:53] <dchmelik> now that rc.bind is executable, will the startup scripts start it?
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[23:53] <Dominian> yes
[23:53] <dchmelik> excellent
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[23:55] <dchmelik> I guess the startup scripts do not do 'ls /etc/rc.d/ | bash' or something like that
[23:55] <dchmelik> because I made my own startup script for something
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[23:58] <rworkman> no, they don't.  rc.local{,_shutdown} is your friend.
[23:58] <dchmelik> ls /etc/rc.d/rc.* would be better for that example
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[23:59] <dchmelik> wait there are some rc.* directories there too
[23:59] <dchmelik> yeah, I have it in rc.local
[23:59] <dchmelik> I thought shutdown shuts down everything anyway
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[23:59] <dchmelik> but maybe I need to put the stop part in rc.shutdown
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