[00:00] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:08] macavity (~demeter@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Quit: ...And thanks for all the fish [00:09] zaythan (~zaythan@83.sub-97-191-93.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [00:09] Hey slackers what's up??? [00:09] hey zaythan [00:10] heya zaythan [00:10] wharncliffe (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:10] mannynix (~mannynix@201.132.49.12) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:10] how have ya'll been? [00:10] ya'll? [00:10] that aside, great [00:11] you? [00:11] how's the box running [00:11] ?? [00:11] doin' alright as well...;) [00:11] Haha I am from the southern US "y'all" is common lanuage :) [00:11] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [00:12] i'm a native chicagoan: we use "youz" [00:12] very handy [00:12] especially in crowds [00:12] The box is ballin it hasn't crashed (unless I did something stupid) since I finished the install 3 weeks ago [00:12] good deal [00:12] It still runns everythin in w/ under 500 mb o ram [00:12] makes it sound like your win boxes crash regularly [00:13] Yah all the time [00:13] yeah, slackware linux is nice with resources [00:13] da bulls,da bears,da blackhawks....good SNL skit [00:13] Hahaha [00:13] indeed... [00:13] And I am learning tons about linux in gerneral [00:13] it's supposed to be the Billy Goat Tavern on Lower Wacker [00:13] funny bit [00:14] pepsi, no coke [00:14] oops, confused my skits [00:14] good bye! [00:14] I've not been to chicago in 4 years but it was a nice town [00:14] shonudo: GOOD BYE! [00:14] cmk_zzz (martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [00:14] cu cmk_zzz [00:14] too late [00:15] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:15] and he even went to the trouble of lighting up my nick [00:15] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [00:15] so zaythan, you work doing IT or service or something with windows boxes... [00:16] and they're crashing all the time? [00:16] (good job security, but sucky job) [00:16] shonudo: cool...Cheeseburgah,Cheeseburgah,Cheeseburgah...true classic..;) [00:16] Yep I'm a IT guy....we have dumb users and hardheaded management [00:17] and management that's okay with spending tons on licenses, it sounds like [00:18] Users change things and management refuses to let me lock it down [00:18] that's kind of silly [00:18] Heh yep pretty much the think if they throw enough money at it the problem will go away [00:18] set up boxes to do what the business needs and just lock everything down [00:18] more efficient [00:18] Businesses often like spending money. [00:19] indeed [00:19] and sometimes very stupidly [00:19] They feel it gives them someone to blame when things break. [00:19] Yep pretty much right now I am a reimaging expert ;) [00:19] zaythan, CloneZilla? [00:19] Or Ghost? [00:19] Or another product? [00:19] and they sometimes wonder why their profits are down... [00:19] Ghost [00:19] I'm sorry. [00:19] It used to be good too [00:19] Hahaha happense [00:20] Happens* [00:20] Symantec broke it like everything else they acquire. [00:20] Hahaha so true [00:20] just a thought... has anyone ever seen someone who logged into irssi with the nick "root" [00:21] or "sudo" [00:21] Nope [00:21] for their ident? yes [00:21] haha [00:21] I <3 irssi tho [00:21] i just had that random thought, and I <3 irssi, also [00:21] I use KVIrc. [00:22] there's a ban on such people in arch linux's channel, so then they go to #ubuntu to whine [00:22] heh [00:22] haha [00:22] erk i dont mean arch [00:22] i mean backtrack [00:22] that makes more sense :P [00:22] Not if they just like to whine at the Ubuntu users. [00:23] Backtrack if getting heavy imo [00:23] S/if/is [00:23] I'm embarrassed to say this, but I could never get Slackware to run correctly, so I have to keep using Ubun-turd [00:23] Hey, I use Mandriva for desktop stuff. [00:24] Now that I'm learning slack I think the switch from slack to deb in bt3 was a travesty [00:24] Well between 3 and 4 [00:24] I find that Slackware is a challenge for me, especially to get it running... but for just surfing the net or watching Doctor Who and stuff, Ubuntu will suffice [00:25] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.131.164.61) joined ##slackware. [00:25] I've not had any issues reallly in getting slack to work but getting it to work well has been a fun rewaeding process [00:26] I really do want to learn Slackware, but the only person who I know that uses it is Urchlay, and he lives a good 40 minutes away, so it's not like he can come over or vice-versa help [00:26] tried backtrack a few times when it was bt2..comparing to slax,wolvix etc ..true,zaythan..what i've seen trully is a travesty [00:27] U know spartanVI the irc channel and google reall have taught me all I know [00:28] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:28] This slack channel is seriosuly a great place to get hints and directions [00:28] I can never find schitt on Google, and I'm kind of embarrassed to let people know that I'm stuck running Ubuntu [00:29] And between rworkmans site, bobs, the slackwiki, and slackbuilds u can pretty much learn it all [00:29] Action: maco uses kubuntu [00:29] i will need to borrow vbatts one day to help me setup a pxe server so i can install slack on the old laptop [00:30] a lot of questions really are not answered very well by google [00:30] Well, Slackbook was useful... at first... then I started getting problems that it couldn't answer... like Slackware not being able to detect the partition that I made for it [00:30] maco, you could (probably) do an nfs install with it [00:31] gobi42 (~IceChat7@70-13-158-169.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Quit: When the chips are down, well, the buffalo is empty [00:31] trhodes: not having a router complicates things [00:32] just manually assign addresses [00:32] and that Slackware never detects my wireless card [00:33] i believe its the kernel your irritated with not slackware :p [00:34] could be just missing firmware, SpartanVI [00:34] SpartanVI: what's the make of it? [00:35] D-Link wireless card [00:35] Dlinks are a pain [00:36] oh yeah [00:36] I just got threw fighting with a gig ether card [00:37] eesh... well I've got a wireless D-Link in my desktop.... complicated [00:37] zaythan (~zaythan@83.sub-97-191-93.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [00:38] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.131.164.61) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:38] zaythan (~zaythan@83.sub-97-191-93.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [00:39] Oops sorry I'm back changed keyboard apps :) [00:40] well, going for a smoke, back in a few to bitch about my inability to solve my Slack problems, lol [00:40] you people can't stop talking can you? [00:40] xoring (~adam@pool-71-126-174-157.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] xoring (~adam@pool-71-126-174-157.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:41] Nope [00:41] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [00:41] im a extrovert it just my nature [00:42] However if I was making out hard for you to hey a question answered I apologize [00:43] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:43] S/hey/get [00:44] Blah that sentence was jacked.....swype is fun but not perfect [00:45] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [00:45] zaythan: on android? [00:46] Mlanden yep [00:46] zaythan: cool [00:46] Yah ende [00:46] el_lobo-1d-_-b (~Juan@186.28.15.84) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:47] Blah sorry...yah the irc client is pretty good here [00:47] I am a big fan and swype is good for lil one liners but anything more I gotta get out the real keyboard [00:48] could imagine [00:50] dios_mio (net@88.241.143.43) left irc: [00:52] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:59] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:01] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [01:02] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:03] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: nothing like backing up right before a system failure... me 1; hardware failure 0 [01:05] edthix (~ed@115.135.181.53) joined ##slackware. [01:06] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:07] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:08] zaythan (~zaythan@83.sub-97-191-93.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [01:08] zaythan (~zaythan@83.sub-97-191-93.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [01:09] hi [01:09] heya [01:09] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-6.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:10] anyone seen rworkman recently? [01:11] a day or two ago [01:11] alisonken1lap: what is this g0v bot? [01:12] pretty sure it's phrag's [01:12] and why is it telling me to look closer at the memberlist? [01:12] indeed it is. [01:13] gniks: got the same bot message a few times as well [01:13] gniks: ? [01:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:13] it mesaged me [01:13] g0v [01:13] 1:07 [01:13] (notice) please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel. [01:14] g0v is authenticated as phrag [01:14] i don't know how phrag is [01:14] gniks, he's an op here [01:14] ic [01:16] oh well, the bot is annoying [01:22] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:22] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:24] Nick change: Wulf-is-not-here -> WireWulf [01:24] am0rphis (~qwe@91.145.233.128) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:25] hi guys, having trouble with my slackware 13.1 and ati 10.7 drivers - happens right after I reinstall slackware, works fine before this [01:25] black lines/spots appear over every window in KDE - http://img805.imageshack.us/i/blackstuffs.jpg/ [01:25] anyone care to assist me :) [01:28] edthix: which browser is that? [01:28] that's opera actually [01:28] looks like firefox [01:28] oh [01:29] does this happen with all applications? [01:29] yes even when watch a video, the whole monitor blinks .. 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[02:11] man slackpkg [02:11] and sbopkg for 3rd party stuff [02:12] http://www.sbopkg.org/ [02:14] thank you both [02:17] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:18] miss_riss (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Hi. [02:18] o/ hi [02:18] hi miss_riss [02:18] heya [02:18] :) [02:20] grazymax (~grazymax@host226-159-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:23] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:24] where the hell is alienBOB [02:25] How can I get last to show me logins into a specific server logging *INTO*? [02:25] Apparently my teacher says last | grep servername | head -n 3 is incorrect because it shows where I'm logging FROM, not into. [02:26] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:27] last shows both by the look of it. however it doesn't really give a server name .. mor like a display/{pseuto-,}tty [02:28] I use ssh and it's several different servers. [02:28] Our teacher is showing us how to get around the servers, and how to display that buut.. for some reason I dunno how to do that. Last only seems to show FROM at a very specific server. [02:28] Cause when I login to another server I get a different info. [02:29] did you try "man last" [02:29] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] This is the comment I received from my teacher: "You have a good start however these are logins to server A from server B, we want logins to server B. Remember last tells you where you last were not where you are going to." [02:29] Of course! [02:30] "michiel pts/3 :pts/11:S.1 Tue Aug 3 02:48 still logged in" <-- well that is what lsat shows for my VPS. so I am still disagreeing that it shows you *what* server you are to log into. [02:30] miss_riss: uhm last shows "show listing of last logged in users" [02:30] maybe you should recommend your teacher to read a manpage? ;-) [02:31] lol [02:31] it does show server names for me [02:31] hmm [02:31] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:32] trhodes: mm on slackware? [02:32] yeah [02:32] well, i think it's where i've logged in from [02:33] care to show the output then? (and are you sure servername is not "where the connection orginated from")? [02:33] I don't get the problem. [02:33] yeah, it's where the connection originated from [02:33] i guess i don't understand the problem either [02:33] Motoko-chan: I think the teacher want to have proof how 'last' will show you what server you are logged into at the moment. [02:33] if I understand miss_riss' question correctly. [02:34] Hm, well the question is "List the last 3 times you logged into server B and the command(s) you used to obtain this information." [02:34] Apparently I got that wrong with this: last | head -n 3 [02:34] Gonna try last username | head -n 3 at server C. [02:34] :| If not I'm going to ask the teacher to clarify the question. [02:35] or head -n 4 or something [02:35] If they just want a command to show the last three times a user has been on the server, "last *username*" will show all records for that login. [02:35] With the source - console or otherwise [02:35] miss_riss: hmm wait ... did you include the commands, that you used to get to server_B? [02:35] BP{k}, yep. [02:35] My teacher said I had a good start but not quite. [02:36] ie 1) "ssh server b" 2) last [02:36] hm [02:36] If you want the last 3 times, non-inclusive of the current login... [02:36] Including current login is okay. [02:37] Then "last *loginname* | head -n 3" [02:37] Teacher seem to imply it confuses a lot of students, that's why she included this problem, so we can "get it". [02:37] lol [02:37] "last *loginname* | head -n 4 | tail -n 3" will show the last three not including the current. [02:37] i don't grok the point of this question if there's a trick to it [02:37] Dumb question really. [02:38] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [02:38] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] how to obtain the answer: 1) get baseball bat 2) find admin of server b 3) apply baseball bat to fingers 4) ask question. .. 5) repeat step 3-4 until received your answer. [02:38] haha [02:39] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-86.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] LOL [02:39] x) Done. [02:39] BP{k}, that reminded me of this: http://xkcd.com/538/ [02:39] Action: miss_riss gets a metal bat. [02:39] Motoko-chan: i was just thinking of that [02:40] Motoko-chan: haha .. so very true :) [02:40] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-23-179.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:41] This is also awesome, if unrelated: http://xkcd.com/772/ [02:41] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:41] Make sure to read the alt/title tag [02:41] hahaha [02:42] Now it's time to go watch Angel Beats! or something. [02:42] good one [02:42] x) I never played Frogger when I was little until I was much older. [02:42] Ah my poor childhood. [02:42] ugh, i've played it irl :( [02:42] you were a frog? [02:43] heavy rains in the southern US in certain times of the year means you run over many frogs on the road [02:44] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [02:44] cousin used to say "Buzzard's gotta eat!!"...lol [02:44] :( [02:44] Poor frogs. [02:44] They're so cute. [02:44] Esp the poisonous ones. [02:44] btw, Motoko-chan, you know you can do an address range pretty easily in sed, like "sed -r -n '2,4p'" to do what that head | tail did [02:44] http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/382925218_60b510f9e6.jpg Is this real? [02:45] maybe you just want it to be clear :) [02:45] I'm sure sed can do it, as could awk very likely. [02:45] However, they aren't as clear. [02:45] revel0__ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:45] yeah, just preference [02:46] So [02:46] i don't like typing, so i do sed :) [02:46] miss_riss: frog stacking? guess, it's possible [02:46] Clarity > brevity [02:46] Nick change: revel0__ -> revel0 [02:47] I just install X11 and everything, in fact I installed X twice just because I'm tired and didn't want to mess with fonts, so now in XFCE or anything- every letter is a box. [02:47] A lot of the stuff I write is used by others, so being "clever" usually means they don't understand it. [02:47] Which is strange because the fonts are all installed. [02:48] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:48] sounds like cairo or pango [02:48] hmm [02:48] MLanden, cute.. ;_; [02:49] fatalnix, wait, hm, manual install of X11? [02:49] yes. [02:49] I always do it that way [02:49] I don't deal with downloading more than disc 1 [02:49] Hm so why not just get the full DVD disk? [02:49] Erm, just the full dvd? [02:50] because I dont have the care t sit around waiting for a dvd to download. [02:50] if I can just get disc one and get it later like I always do [02:50] I see... [02:51] plus I hate using DVD's for data unless I have to because the slightest ammount of dust basicly makes the DVD unreadable half the time [02:51] does slack support something like installation profiles? ie, this is a server-ish box, it won't need X and various other programs. don't need a full walkthrough, i can google the key words [02:51] they're so much more finicky than CD's, for obvious reasons [02:51] Tobarja: no, not really. [02:52] I'm pretty sure you can do scripted upgrades [02:52] fatalnix, really? I have my dvd and htey work fine even after I stomped on them by accident (had my chair roll over em' once). [02:52] without much hassle [02:52] Tobarja, nope, you could.. do LFS. [02:52] Or um, scripted install with gentoo I guess. [02:52] I can scratch all of my CD's to hell and they work fine lol [02:53] fatalnix, hard to believe...... I scratch mine, either cd or dvd and it won't work. [02:53] miss_riss: once your teacher provides the correct answer, show him/her the output of "last $USER | head -n 3" (or equivalent) while you have a screen session with about fifteen windows :) [02:53] edthix (~ed@115.135.181.53) joined ##slackware. [02:53] rworkman, lol I'll try. :) [02:53] well, I have had strange luck with CD's then [02:53] all my life [02:54] I even had a music cd with a split down to the center that worked if you alighned it just right with minimal skipping. [02:54] fatalnix: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-building.html good ref when gtk fouls up [02:54] i like ^a : login off in my screens [02:54] AlexElliott (~alex@2002:3e1f:a475:1234:21e:68ff:fe9b:9499) joined ##slackware. [02:55] hmm. [02:55] I bet you the disk developed a bad sector there.. ugh [02:55] this disk failed a few days ago, I've been doing whatever I can to get it going, not even LiveCD's work right [02:55] It's all I got for a while. [02:55] hey, whats a good e-mail/wireless network encrypter [02:55] trhodes: sure, but I'm more interested in seeing the look on that teacher's face :) [02:56] rworkman, haha :D [02:56] maybe I should just try to figure out why wicd-curses isn't working [02:56] Action: rworkman should be in bed; first day back at work tomorrow :/ [02:56] and forget configuring it through X [02:56] hi [02:56] anybody using amd catalyst driver 10.7 on slackware 13.1? [02:57] edthix: that's the proprietary one? [02:57] fatalnix: wicd-curses works for me - what's the problem? [02:57] the damn dbus crap I always got with arch, hold on [02:57] rworkman : yes, im looking for the options to adjust my underscan settings in amdcccle, can't find it :/ [02:57] fatalnix: join the damn netdev group already :) [02:58] SpartanVI: gpg? [02:58] edthix: I have zero experience with the ati proprietary drivers, but I don't recall many people speaking highly of htem. [02:58] oh right, but it shouldnt batter because I'm in su right now [02:58] Does your chipset not work with the open-source radeon driver? [02:58] rworkman : i need 3d using radeon 5570 now [02:58] fatalnix: Wrong. [02:58] thanks :) [02:58] fatalnix: dbus doesn't care who root is. [02:59] Oxpemog (~IceChat7@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] edthix: understood, but have you tried the open source drivers? (or are you certain that they don't support that chipset? - that's a genuine question - I don't know) [03:00] well, it didn'tt make a difference anyways [03:00] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.91) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:00] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:00] rworkman : nope, this is a fresh install of slackware 13.1, actually it was all fine before this, only facing this problem http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ati-catalyst-10-7-black-border-on-13-1-a-823642/ [03:00] fatalnix: if you're on 13.1, I did change the dbus config file from 13.0 to 13.1 so that root would be allowed to do everything (in accordance with what most people seem to expect). [03:01] the name org.wicd.daemon was not provided by any .service files, I hate the errors I get from wicd so much lol [03:01] fatalnix: you need to 1) logout 2) do "/etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload" as root 3) log in again [03:01] yeah I did [03:01] I'm aware of that much [03:01] Then you need a complete restart of messagebus service after installing wicd. Easiest way is to reboot. [03:02] hmm [03:02] If it still gives that error, then I'd guess that you're missing dbus-python or some such [03:03] edthix: well, no idea. I guess wait for a reply from that guy on LQ. [03:03] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:03] I can't believe this disk shat itself when my battery died [03:03] rworkman : yups, was hoping someone on irc experienced it before :D [03:03] and this is just my luck because nty sister tickled me the other day and my laptop screen ended up becomming cracked because of it [03:03] fatalnix, what?! [03:04] my* [03:04] yeah, my T60 is almost junk now. [03:04] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:04] I took a picture but I don't have the link for imageshack [03:05] the screen looks like a Flight simulator 95 plane crash [03:05] What's nty? [03:06] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:06] yeah that ain't fixing it, I'm starting to assume that the fall the laptop took might have damaged the disk and I just didn't hear it, so it's been foobarring itself over the past week [03:06] fatalnix: looks like a replacement LCD for that is around $100 +/-$20, and they're easy to replace [03:06] I forget, probably "my" [03:06] yes [03:06] I was going to go for the 160 $ [03:06] and get 1400x1050 [03:07] Ah yes [03:07] instead of this damn 1024x768 [03:07] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.187) joined ##slackware. [03:07] My r40's were 1440 [03:07] I used 1024x768 for *years* - it actually took quite a bit of adjusting for me to get used to the new display on my T400 [03:07] "What command line would you use to copy file.txt securely from your home directory on server B to your server C, while you're logged into the server C?" [03:07] Just curious, anyone here familiar with scp? [03:07] scp [03:07] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:08] I've gotten used to 1024x768 again, but after a while you wish you has more terminal space lol [03:08] scp serverb:/path/to/file.txt . [03:08] Indeedy, just wondered if you guys faced this kind of problem often in real life though? [03:08] yeah [03:08] anyone familiar with writing udev rules? [03:08] miss_riss: sure [03:08] Really? Alright. Worth my money then. [03:08] ssh is worth learning well [03:08] It's not really a problem so much as a "what object would you use to brush your teeth?" quesiton [03:09] A shovel? [03:09] I never thought of it that way. [03:09] IOW, that should be a "gimme" quesiton. [03:09] Just don't ask me to type "question" [03:09] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [03:09] well its 3 am [03:09] I want to create a symlink for a usb 3G modem communucations port (ttyUSB0 initially). To make it /dev/mymodem. The problem is, that this modem creates three device nodes, any my udev rule fires at a random one of the three. [03:10] fatalnix, might be worth checking the northern sky tonight for aurora [03:10] If I lived in Canada maybe [03:10] I live in Maine lol [03:11] yeah, it's supposed to be unusually far south tonight [03:11] ic. [03:11] hmm [03:13] slava_dp: you'll have to query the nodes using AT strings and see what responds, I think. Not entirely sure about this, to be honest. Perhaps ModemManager (at SBo) will help. [03:13] (re "help" - maybe the udev rules it installs will give you ideas -- I don't think ModemManager itself is what you need) [03:13] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:14] SpartanVI (~raito@adsl-232-81-153.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:16] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.187) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:16] Anyway, I'm out. I have to at least *try* to get some sleep. [03:16] g'nite rworkman [03:16] FDCX (0@188.25.228.87) joined ##slackware. [03:16] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:16] FDCX kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [03:16] 'night Tom :) [03:17] night rworkman [03:17] You too, MLanden. [03:17] Okay, really gone now :) [03:19] revel0_ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:19] Good night rworkman! [03:19] "scp differaccountname@serverb:~/test.txt . " should work but it does not. [03:20] any errors? [03:20] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:20] Hm.. yeah, I'm an idiot is the error. I hit 2 instead of @. Not used to typing on this terminal thingie that they provided us with the lab. It lags. [03:21] ha :P [03:21] lol [03:21] Nick change: revel0_ -> revel0 [03:21] i've had an issue where the transfer wouldn't show, but it was working (just not giving me any feedback) [03:21] Alright! Moving onto course 2, networking and DNS in full details methink. [03:22] trhodes, was that because of the same mistake I had? [03:22] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.187) joined ##slackware. [03:22] naw, not sure what caused it tbh [03:22] Wow! Question getting harder - "Given a subnet mask of 255.255.255.195 and the first network address of 55.5.96.0, what are all of the network/broadcast pairs?" [03:23] the answer would be, do your homework :) [03:23] gbonvehi, I am! I am! :) [03:23] Heh [03:23] got wpa_supplicant working with WEP [03:23] I've just never seen the term broadcast pair used in #cisco or #networking. [03:24] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-86.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:24] I hate WEP, but whatever [03:25] You hate everything! [03:25] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4541, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-07-27 04:39:13 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:25] You hate dvds, you hate WEP, what's next?! Your sister for crushing your laptop screen? :) [03:26] I only hate WEP because everyone uses it and it only takes like 10 minues to crack it anyways [03:26] lol [03:26] well, not everyone, but nearly [03:26] Really? All my neighbors have WPA2. [03:27] I know because I tried being cheap one day and leech off but turns out they weren't using WEP. [03:27] The majority of networks I have seen are WEP, some of them don't even know WPA exists [03:27] or RADIUS, etc [03:27] fatalnix, crack em. [03:27] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] nah [03:27] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:27] I'm not that mean [03:28] well fatalnix i used to leech a neighbours wireless, it didn't even had protection [03:28] I would have tried back in early high school years probably but who cares. [03:28] I agree. Sometimes, though I need to borrow somebody else's intarwebbs. [03:28] miss_riss, btw, python can show binary numbers easily (handy for networking) - just print bin(195) [03:28] i entered his machine, looked the address, i knew that it was the neighbour of the building in front of me [03:28] so i just used the network while he was not there :P [03:28] i'm a good leecher i guess [03:28] trhodes, ooh no.. I should've learned python whene I had the chance. I stuck with C. [03:29] miss_riss, no biggie, i duno python by any means [03:29] gah what now [03:29] make test failed for poco [03:29] I think it's good to borrow internet. We should share. Saves bandwidth, electricity, and wires. Esp if the neighbor only use their freaking fast cable connection that's $134.99 for just checking the news (true story with my neighbor who won't share). [03:29] retarded [03:30] I'll just force the install [03:30] Hell my best friend does that. One internet for himself and the neighbor downstairs. They split the cost. [03:30] just a temp system [03:31] spltting internet isn't a bad idea in a crowded setting (if it's fast enough) [03:31] miss_riss: I would hate to see his Gauss measurements [03:31] meh, they probably aren't too bad [03:33] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [03:33] Yudha_HT (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [03:34] alrightbed time :) [03:34] same here...night,folks! [03:34] Night MLanden. [03:34] Gl fatalnix. [03:34] True to your name too. Fatal installations. xD [03:34] night, miss_riss [03:34] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-144-10.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Take care,folks! [03:37] So computers, for the most part, actually communicate with 01 and use, for example, 11000000 10101000 00000001 00000001? My God. How about an intensive game? [03:37] That's 196.168.1.1 btw. Hm. [03:38] I mean I knew it comm in binary but I just thought that at some level, it all becomes.. sort of interpreted. Like HTML. Even that's binary to computers. Which... I think is just magic. [03:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:38] Weee... mind boggling how fast computers are. [03:40] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [03:40] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [03:41] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.127.191) joined ##slackware. [03:45] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:45] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:46] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [03:46] archcezar (1000@agb191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:50] archceza1 (1000@avx144.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:50] Morn [03:50] Morning Zordrak. [03:51] Another day, another powercut. [03:52] Hm? [03:52] What I wouldn't give to put every server on a UPS [03:53] You don't do that? Why not? [03:53] £ [03:53] lol [03:54] Action: miss_riss gives Zordrak a hug and a chocolate cake. [03:54] :( I wish I didn't have money problems either. [03:54] could you make it a fried breakfast instead? I went out on a business dinner last night and drank quite a bit. I wasn't expecting a call at half seven to tell me the whole network is dead. [03:55] D: [03:56] ashe (~ashe@125.163.34.129) joined ##slackware. [03:56] plus.. its the first night ever i took the train home... so my car wasnt there to greet me in the morning.. had to come back on the stupid stupid train [03:56] gah [03:56] enough misery. gonna get the rest of this network going [03:56] Zordrak, what? Stolen car?! [03:57] no.. left it at work [03:57] Ehh why did you take the train then? [03:58] cause i drank too much at dinner [03:58] Oh... [03:58] I actually wondered if you were like that drunk guy I see in the subway. [03:58] >.>.... [03:58] heh [03:59] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:00] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:01] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:05] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:06] Hm.. [04:06] "Let's give ourselves a class C network of 192.168.1.xxx. Two of the addresses are automatically used up--the network address of 192.168.1.0 and the broadcast address of 192.168.1.255." [04:06] My teacher says that but doesn't say why it automatically takes it up, anyone know why? [04:07] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-90-59.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [04:09] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:11] *.0 is not a valid address, and .255 is the broadcast address - not assignable to a specific host [04:12] the *.0 is used as part of the mask [04:13] Thank you alisonken1lap. [04:16] edthix (ed@115.135.181.53) left ##slackware. [04:18] And with a mask different than 255.255.255.0 it is entirely possible to have a host IP that ends on .255 or .0 ... [04:19] We are up to subnet, gotta figure out the default of each class of IPs. [04:21] It starts to get confusing right about... here: "Now let's split it into two subnets instead of one. We'll do this by converting one of the host bits into an additional network bit. The new subnet mask would be as follows:" [04:25] rmielnic (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [04:27] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Wait, 255.255.255.1 and 255.255.255.2 are two completely different networks!? [04:31] Actually I got a problem. [04:31] "(Error code: sec_error_reused_issuer_and_serial)" when trying to connect to my router, what's up with that? [04:32] rmielnic (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:34] http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=1519&forumId=1 [04:35] My problem turns out to be common as all, this man has problem with his connection to the router too (which is the same as mine). [04:36] "http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Certificate+contains+the+same+serial+number+as+another+certificate" [04:36] lol Funny. [04:36] Erm sorry I mean "The long term solution is to contact your hardware vendor and see if updates are available for your device which fix this problem.", that's the solution. [04:45] how about using a 2ft screwdriver to swap drives in a drive tray - that's in your hand [04:45] miss_riss, http://www.lizella.net/networking_101.txt is a helpful read [04:46] trhodes, thank you! Reading that now. [04:53] miss_riss (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: miss_riss [04:53] lfjob (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Nick change: lfjob -> miss_riss [04:53] Alright. [04:54] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Alan_Hicks: on that networking_101.txt file, section 4.2 ascii art needs the bridge B hub2 renamed to hub4 [05:05] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.172.251.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [05:05] iirc, there were some typos, too, but i'll shut up about 'em :P [05:06] they don't detract from the read :) [05:06] true - but the hub section is confusing when you have several nodes with the same ID [05:06] yeah [05:07] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:08] Not sure if this is possible but when I allow different desktop activity in KDE, my mouse turns into a hand and I am allowed to move the desktop. I don't like that, how can I disable that? [05:08] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:12] edthix (~ed@115.135.181.53) joined ##slackware. [05:14] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.127.191) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:16] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [05:17] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [05:17] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:18] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:19] revel0_ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:24] delt0r_ (~delt0r@188-22-174-8.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:28] wobbles (~huntsman@C-61-68-164-96.bur.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:28] miss_riss: did you try #kde channel? [05:28] alisonken1lap, of course. :) [05:32] http://www.rhisa.com/look.jpg [05:32] That's the problem I have. [05:33] what does escape do? [05:33] miss_riss: I can't see it moving! [05:33] Kaapa, lol but see the mouse pointer? [05:34] nice background [05:35] Thank you. :D [05:35] edthix (ed@115.135.181.53) left ##slackware. [05:42] edthix (~ed@115.135.181.53) joined ##slackware. [05:45] miss_riss (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: miss_riss [05:46] and hes gone [05:46] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [05:50] (OT) Hrmm.. I wonder what would be involved in programmatically syncing Netflix and Goodreads ratings to Amazon. Has anyone done anything of that sort? [05:51] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-169-76.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:51] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Client Quit [05:51] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.140.105) joined ##slackware. [05:51] to amazon ? [05:52] hi [05:52] hi High_Priest [05:52] trhodes: Apparently Amazon allows things to be rated on your account. [05:52] hmm ok [05:53] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [05:53] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:9a0:a550:3188:a1f2:6ea) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:53] if you're capable with python, i just read about a scrapy thing that helps with web scraping (not sure if that's really helpful here or not though) [05:54] http://scrapy.org/ [05:54] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:9a0:a550:3188:a1f2:6ea) joined ##slackware. [05:55] WildWizard (michael@2001:44b8:3071:9a0:a550:3188:a1f2:6ea) left ##slackware. [05:56] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:9a0:a550:3188:a1f2:6ea) joined ##slackware. [05:56] trhodes: Haven't really done anything Python, but not opposed to trying. Thanks for the suggestion, will be taking a look. [05:57] python is fun and easy [06:02] Yudha_HT (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Quit: Go Home [06:03] Elfo (~no_w@83.240.167.193) joined ##slackware. [06:06] revel0_ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:08] revel0_ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [06:10] hi there [06:11] hey there [06:11] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:12] is ldd the only way to check for dependencies? [06:12] i'm trying to determine what packages are needed to run KVM [06:12] Hm, is it possible to get someone to explain "Prefix Length Notation" to me? [06:13] Action: riza looks for a button on that someone. [06:13] in CIDR ? [06:14] trhodes, hm is CIDR to me? [06:14] yes [06:14] Oh.. um not sure what CIDR means. [06:14] (yes btw) [06:15] classless inter-domain routing [06:15] python -c 'print bin(255)' [06:15] Yikes... [06:16] To find the prefix length notation which shows, for example 192.168.2.1/31 you do - "To do this, we add up the number of network bits in our subnet mask and tack it onto the end of the host IP." [06:16] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:16] riza, yeah [06:16] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.172.251.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:16] The quotes are what my teacher says. Yet I don't know what "network bits"' refer to.. 255.255.255.0, how did she get 27 (for this subnet / IP pair)? [06:16] riza, how familiar are you with subnet masks ? [06:16] Not very. [06:16] riza, well, that python command I showed you will help you [06:17] sounds like she did a typo to me - 255.255.255.0 is/24 [06:17] try it for python -c 'print bin(254)' and python -c 'print bin(252)' [06:17] Whoa I have python? :) I had no idea. [06:17] (the prefix for binary is 0b like 0x is for hex) [06:17] alisonken1lap, perhaps, has to do with the IP side too. [06:18] its easy if you can think in old school 8 bit binary the same way you think about beer [06:18] Nick change: revel0_ -> revel0 [06:18] yeah [06:18] riza, you see 255, 254 and 252 a lot in subnet masks [06:18] riza: not that I can see - unless she's talking .27 as an IP within that mask [06:18] which is why i asked your familiarity [06:19] Hm I see. [06:19] Well she got 27 from 255.255.255.224, sorry my mis-reading. [06:19] but yeah that's a /24 [06:19] oh ok [06:19] 192.168.3.11/27 [06:19] python -c 'print bin(224)' [06:20] riza: perhaps making it more visual helps you in understanding. Try http://alienbase.nl/cgi-bin/ipcalc.cgi [06:20] ah, even better :) [06:20] Nice! [06:20] Not my code, but a very useful tool [06:21] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [06:21] " [06:21] Given a subnet mask of 255.255.255.192 and the first network address of 64.5.96.0, what are all of the network/broadcast pairs?" [06:21] Don't answer this but tell me if you understand this question. [06:21] I want to solve it myself. [06:23] ashe (~ashe@125.163.34.129) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:24] Hm with a given network address and a subnet mask, there is only one broadcast address [06:25] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Killed (evilmquin (Killed.)) [06:25] riza: try this when you have 255.255.255.0 you have 64.5.96.0-255 ... got it [06:25] ashe (~ashe@125.166.161.30) joined ##slackware. [06:25] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [06:25] WildWizard, that's one network range, right? [06:26] So I have 254 I can use or assign each computers to. [06:26] then when you add bits to the last part of the subnet you start divideing that 0-255 into even chunks with each extra bit dividing the existing space in half each tim [06:26] That's where I'm lost, bits? [06:26] I guess I need visualization. [06:26] yes you do [06:26] 11111111 < this is 255 in binary [06:27] Yep. [06:27] 10000000 < 128 (This is the most significant bit in 8 bit binary) [06:28] Ooh. Okay, I see why it's called 8 bit now. [06:28] Dang that's slow now that I realize it all piecing together. [06:28] riza: I'm thinking on ly 253 since .0 is not a valid IP address [06:29] indeed, no interface can respond [06:29] 253, I think you can use 255 and 0 is jjust a reference to the entire network itself. [06:29] and taking into consideration you need a router address, then that leaves 252 available [06:29] you then go to 11000000 (192) which is the next one [06:29] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:30] so 253 available with one reserved [06:30] o.o Keep going WildWizard. [06:30] btw, this is why i was pasting in those python commands [06:30] and each time you add one of these bits you divide down the avaible space in half [06:30] I divide what space in half? [06:30] the addressable space [06:30] your 0-255 space [06:30] Oh. [06:30] with 255.255.255.128 you then have 0-127 and 128-255 [06:30] (same for cryptography and memory addressing) [06:30] Noted. [06:31] binary math's pretty important in computers [06:31] with 255.255.255.192 you now have 4 chunks 0-63 64-127 128-191 192-255 [06:32] it's even more interesting when you get into how it works by shifting bits for adding/subtracting numbers [06:32] Yes. I thought it was in some way obsolete. [06:32] WildWizard, Oh, how did you divide it by four though? [06:32] look at the mask in binary [06:32] think about it [06:33] 255-194=? [06:33] Ooh. [06:33] I saw that! [06:33] sorry - 192 [06:33] python -c 'print int(0b11000000)' # will convert decimal --> binary with python [06:33] 63, so 63 interval, if I could put it that way. [06:33] err, reverse that :) [06:33] trhodes, can python solve the question I had earlier? [06:33] 0-63, so 64 interval [06:33] Erm I forgot the 0. [06:34] :) [06:35] That might get tricky.. [06:35] Hm. [06:35] 255.255.255.255 is a host apparently. [06:35] A broadcast host, that's the reserved one. [06:35] no - broadcast [06:35] no host allowed with that one [06:36] ok - no _single_ host with that one [06:36] Hm. :D [06:36] I see the word broadcast storm in google. It starts to get fun. I'm starting to see why CCIE is hard stuff. [06:36] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:37] broadcast storm is easy to create .... lol [06:37] I don't even know what that is. [06:38] Elfo (no_w@83.240.167.193) left ##slackware. [06:39] get your self a (dumb unmanaged) network switch, 1 computer, 1 normal network cable to connect the comp to the switch and 1X cable to connect the switch to itself [06:39] plug it all in and watch the fun [06:39] broadcast storm - what does a storm do in nature? same thing only on a network [06:39] I got that much. [06:40] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433996.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:40] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) joined ##slackware. [06:40] typical when some dumb machine starts spewing packets without regards to what/where it's sending [06:40] with the setup I described what happens is that broadcast packets go round in circles forever and more a generated all the time as a natural part of the network [06:40] a/are [06:40] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:41] Great way to up your electricity bill. [06:41] lol [06:41] great way to add network latency when you want to mess with someone [06:41] That too. [06:41] I did it once by accident and crashed a 3com network card in under 3 seconds [06:42] rest of the network survivied [06:42] the mad flashing lights was worth it though [06:42] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:42] It's permanently destroyed? Like literally bricked? [06:43] nah software failure from the broadcast strom [06:43] Oh. [06:44] it was a 10mbit card in a 100mbit network so it did kinda have a disadvantage [06:44] 11111111 11111111 11111111 00000000 subnet mask (255.255.255.0) <--- splitting that is 10000000 (255.255.255.128), how in the world did she know where to put the 1? [06:44] I bet das blinkenlights show was a good one [06:44] Oh. She says to split it in half. Hm.. [06:44] it only makes sense in the most significant bit [06:44] Netgear FS524 FTW [06:45] you split the available network in half - by adding another bit to the already set bits [06:45] that's how routing works, from the most significant bits down to the least significant bits [06:45] wouldn't make sense any other way (ie, it's meaningless) [06:45] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:46] let's just say it would present some "interesting" network segments :) [06:46] Wait. [06:46] So the answer is 64.5.96.64? [06:46] " [06:46] Given a subnet mask of 255.255.255.192 and the first network address of 64.5.96.0, what are all of the network/broadcast pairs? " [06:46] revel0 (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:46] That's the only thing I could think of. [06:46] remember, the segment? [06:47] what is the range of 255-192? [06:47] That is the fourth segment. [06:47] the highest number is the broadcast address [06:47] 64.5.96.255 ? [06:47] Incredible. [06:47] riza: look again - "given an address of 64.5.96.0, ..." [06:47] Erm, I mean 64.5.96.4 [06:47] ah ok [06:48] what range is the *.96.0 address in [06:48] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:48] Well, the first half? [06:48] Wait wait I'm mixing up the example and the problem. [06:48] yes [06:49] *.96.0 is a network range. [06:49] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:49] 255-192 gives you a range of what? [06:49] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] *.96.0 is a specific address, so what range is it in? [06:49] 64 addresses [06:49] you're overthinking it [06:49] >.> Networking stuff is new to me. [06:50] ok - so the 255.255.255.192 is a .255 split into 4 64-bit address ranges [06:50] Yep. [06:50] now - given that the _specific_ address in the question (hint: .0) - what would the highest number address be within that range? [06:51] So 63. [06:51] which one of the four 64-bit address ranges does *.0 fall into? [06:51] there you go [06:51] Is it always like this? [06:51] yep [06:52] the broadcast address is always the highest number address within the address range [06:53] Very helpful thank you. [06:54] Is there a problem sheet that I can do to strengthen my understanding of this? [06:54] This is sort of like math, the more you do it, the more you remember it. [06:55] jhw (~jhw@p548D66AA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:55] heck, it is math :) [06:55] Indeed. [06:56] Strange, 64x4 = 256. [06:56] Where did that extra 1 come from? I'd imagine it would add to 255. [06:57] 0 - 255 = 256 items [06:58] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-169-76.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [06:58] Oh, the 0 is included........ [06:58] Sigh poor zero. [06:58] often is in computer-land [06:59] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [06:59] no - 256 is the count - 255 is the highest octal representation starting from 0 [06:59] Stupid computers almost always start counting at zero [06:59] if you remember basic programming, you can set base to 0 or 1 for a starting point [06:59] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-169-76.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:59] Hah! [06:59] lol [06:59] I'm going to listen to "what comes around goes around". [06:59] computers always start at 0 [07:01] recap: there are always 2 reserved addresses in a range - the highest number in the range is the broadcast address, and one of the available IP's must be for the router in that range [07:01] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [07:01] So what about my subnet mask? 255.255.252.0 [07:01] Isn't it always 255.255.255.x? [07:01] so in a 256 range, 255 is broadcast, 254 are available, but the router needs one as well [07:02] no - 255.255.255.0 (or /24) is a class C range [07:02] Action: riza copies and pastes to notes. [07:02] Oh. [07:02] in old school, there are 3 classes, class A (255.0.0.0), class B (255.255.0.0) and class C (255.255.255.0) [07:03] (you'd have race conditions / undefined behavior if the router didn't have an address) [07:03] in order to be more efficient, the ranges are now CIDR notation, so anything between 255.0.0.0 and 255.255.255.0 can be subnetted [07:04] 255.0.0.0 being /8, 255.255.0.0 being /16 and 255.255.255.0 being /24 [07:04] I got it! [07:04] Wait. [07:04] So the answer to this is: (calculating) [07:04] 255.255.255.128 = 25 and if IP is 199.3.14.15 it's 199.3.14.15/25? [07:04] trhodes: actually, it would be "destination host unreachable" rather than race/undefined if the router is not present [07:05] well yeah [07:05] just pointing out that it doesn't make sense [07:05] 255.255.255.128 would be /25 <-- don't forget the slash when indicating CIDR notation, otherwise it can be mistaken for a host IP within that range [07:06] not so much doesn't make sense as much as somebody forgetting :) [07:06] Yep if 199.3.14.15 is host IP address, then it must be 199.3.14.15/25 because of 128 after 255.255.255.x. [07:06] Fascinating! The prefix length notation is much easier! [07:06] yes [07:06] it helps, yes [07:07] as long as someone doesn't try to be funny and use 0's in the middle of a class it's easy [07:07] x) [07:07] like 255.128.255.255 [07:08] Well it would still be /25 no? [07:08] Or rather not so because no such subnet exist right? [07:08] no - because /25 means "the first 25 bits are set", not "any 25 bits are set) [07:08] Ooh.. [07:09] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.255.165.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [07:09] Beautiful, this is piecing together. [07:10] eviljames (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:11] does this look like broken hardware or i installed it incorrectly? http://pastebin.com/VmWa8Bjd [07:12] means the driver had an issue - but it could also mean check your ram [07:13] Looks more like mobo error witih the USB popping up. [07:13] oh? i've never had a problem with this mb, so far [07:14] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:14] if you have more than one stick of ram - try swapping ram around and see if it comes up in a different module, or run memtest on it [07:14] t0f, listen to alisonken1lap, not me. I'm just tossing an educated guess. [07:15] i do have another stick, but i have problems geeting it to boot [07:15] memtest needs to run a while, too [07:16] getting* [07:16] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [07:16] if you're having boot issues, then yep - sounds like a good tiime to upgrade your ram to me [07:16] i'll try memtest [07:16] Alright, so we are up to.. ipconfig. Now in ipconfig I see the hardware address which is.. essentially the MAC address. Is it possible that two MAC address are the same by two different manufacturer? [07:17] I'd wage yes, because it can be duplicated. [07:17] not according to specs [07:17] But correct me if I'm wrong. [07:17] Specs? [07:18] a mac address is actually made up of a manufacturers assigned code (first 6 hex digits) with the rest being a unique serial number [07:18] In security, I remember reading that MAC address can be cloned and duplicated. So MAC filter isn't really good security. [07:18] Wait, so hardware address isn't MAC address? [07:18] they can be cloned, yes [07:18] yes it is [07:18] OH! Okay. [07:18] but just because the rom has a specific address doesn't mean that the software has to use it [07:19] True, that I knew. [07:19] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) joined ##slackware. [07:19] think of it like the default setting - usually ok, but some people like to play with them. classic example is old network systems where hardware had to be replaced, but the software was proprietary and difficult to change, so you just told the new hardware to use the old mac [07:20] Sort of like SCSI, if I remember.. [07:20] Where you had to manually assign the DMA and all that. [07:20] no - different application [07:20] more like using a post office box rather than a house address [07:21] Oh. [07:21] :D Much better analogy then. [07:21] scsi? manually assigning dma? whoot? [07:21] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.25.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:21] yeah - _reaaly_ old school hardware stuff [07:21] unless you mean assigning scsi IDs [07:22] the drivers also required dma irq's and addresses [07:22] ananke, sorry I forget all of my A+ stuff. [07:22] adn the bios and hardware didn't have autodiscovery in those days [07:22] alisonken1lap, yep!! That's what I meant, now IRQ are all automatically assigned / not that big of a deal. [07:22] that would likely be related to ISA cards, where you had to do that. not really limited to scsi hardware [07:22] yep [07:22] yeah. so let's not blame scsi for that :) [07:22] Was just trying to think of an analogy so I can get it in my stubborn head. [07:23] Oh wow.. [07:23] So it's possible to, if my IP is say, 40.22.22.22 to rename it to rizascomputer.com? [07:24] That is, you could ssh rizasc.com? I thought that was only limited to apache and all that. :| [07:24] riza: that has nothing to do with MAC addresses [at least in ipv4 space] [07:24] ananke, nope, in my current lesson we are learning ifconfig and dns. [07:24] We're moving to dns now that is. [07:25] nope what? [07:25] Just saying I agree with you. [07:25] 'nope' usually signifies the opposite :) [07:25] lol [07:25] I'm tired! I didn't sleep.. [07:25] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [07:25] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [07:26] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) got netsplit. [07:26] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) got netsplit. [07:26] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-23-179.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) got netsplit. [07:26] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) got netsplit. [07:26] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) got netsplit. [07:26] zaythan (~zaythan@83.sub-97-191-93.myvzw.com) got netsplit. [07:26] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) got netsplit. [07:26] goj (~goj@p5488FA5B.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit. [07:26] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) got netsplit. [07:26] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) got netsplit. [07:26] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) got netsplit. [07:26] I was told to get a good breakfast by thermoply in #math... [07:26] I should... [07:26] riza: also, apache httpd doesn't care about DNS [07:27] Oh. [07:27] So what in the world uses the dns? [07:27] riza: many things. [07:27] Hm, okay. [07:28] riza: to be fair, if you use something dumb like "Allow from foobar.tld", then apache httpd will beed to resolve hostnames at run time. [07:28] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:29] riza: otherwise, the hostname is resolved to the IP and passed as a HOST: header to apache httpd. [07:29] I see. [07:29] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) returned to ##slackware. [07:29] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-23-179.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) returned to ##slackware. [07:29] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) returned to ##slackware. [07:30] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.52.85) joined ##slackware. [07:30] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) returned to ##slackware. [07:30] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:31] riza: that is true of most deamons where ACL's that contain hostnames are used. [07:31] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) returned to ##slackware. [07:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) returned to ##slackware. [07:31] Bubo (~stu@wp.eris.qinetiq.com) joined ##slackware. [07:31] riza: for most, the extra roundtrip is fine - for apache httpd, it's a uneeded overhead. [07:31] Ouch, thumbs some of that is over my head now. [07:31] so i should use the memtest-iso or can i compile it and run it without a reboot? [07:32] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) got lost in the net-split. [07:32] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) got lost in the net-split. [07:32] goj (~goj@p5488FA5B.dip.t-dialin.net) got lost in the net-split. [07:32] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) got lost in the net-split. [07:32] zaythan (~zaythan@83.sub-97-191-93.myvzw.com) got lost in the net-split. [07:32] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [07:32] t0f, hm I'd personally run it from a live cd. [07:32] riza: oh, I apologize then [07:32] ok then [07:32] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:32] riza: I was merely trying to clear up some of the confusion I saw here. [07:33] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [07:33] goj (~goj@p5488FA5B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] thumbs, no apology needed, I'm still learning networking basics. [07:33] nice netsplit that time [07:33] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] oh, you were in that [07:33] didn't notice [07:33] riza: you'll find that networking basics and the DNS subsystem are not the same at all [07:34] riza: did you see my reply about your isp IP and hostnames? [07:35] alisonken1home, nope [07:36] I don't think I saw any netsplit. [07:36] zaythan (~zaythan@83.sub-97-191-93.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [07:36] [04:28:19] no - "rizasc.com" must be registerd with a nameserver somewhere in order to resolve to an IP address - remember, computers only understand numbers, but humans normally only understand names [07:36] alisonken1lap, oh. Yikes, I totally forgot that bit. [07:37] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [07:38] riza: do you know how expensive a DNS lookup is? [07:39] I do, and that's why local networks setup a caching dns :) [07:40] thumbs, nope. [07:40] I thought it was free. [07:40] :| [07:41] "expensive" as in "how many packets must go back and forth in order to resolve a hostname with an IP" rather than monetary [07:41] riza: for example, apache httpd might need 30-40 ms to serve a request, whereas the dns lookup might take 400+ [07:41] hello, can anyone advise how I can update libcrypto.so.0.9.8 to libcrypto.so.10 on slack 13 (x86_64) multilib? [07:41] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.255.165.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Quit: t0f [07:41] Oooh.. [07:41] Bubo, truecrypt? [07:42] riza: take a single request, multiply by 300 clients, and your server is now slower than dialup. [07:42] no, I am trying to run a forensic app that requires the later version! [07:43] it is a tar.gz that is bundled for fedora however that is the only error message so far [07:43] Bubo: start with the current slackbuild for it, update to fetch the newer version, check to see if there's any changes to the slackbuild (for build options) and try that [07:43] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:44] thumbs, ;_; Oh shit.. you're right, now that I piece it together. [07:44] openssl [07:44] Bubo, upgradepkg [07:44] riza: you understand now? [07:44] thumbs, partly yes, still some things run over my head but I believe I will understand in time. [07:44] riza: well let me know if you have other questions [07:45] alisonkenllap: I tried updating openssl from source, made no difference [07:45] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:45] thumbs, thank you! [07:47] alisonkenllap: that upgrade did not update libcrypto or libssl, both still at 0.9.8 [07:47] Hm this graphic shows a lotta router connecting to routers before reaching the final destination. [07:48] Bubo: you have to get the slackbuild that was used with the current openssl, updated it to reflect the new sources, and run the slackbuild on the new sources [07:48] takes a little bit of work if it's not in the repo for your version [07:49] you have to get the new version sources, then modify the current version slackbuild for it [07:49] riza: they're called 'hops' [07:49] thumbs, hops, okay. That's sort of a given heh. :) [07:49] http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ches/map/index.html We are given this link. The map to the internetz. [07:49] ah, I get you know - I will give that a go and see what happens - much obliged [07:49] mcury (~mcury@189.24.39.214) joined ##slackware. [07:52] Is my own router considered a hop? [07:52] riza: yes. [07:52] every point is a hop [07:52] Yikes! [07:53] look at point A to point B - and see how many routers/bridges it goes through [07:53] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:20d:f0ff:fe56:8f4) joined ##slackware. [07:53] A lot. [07:53] ;| At least according to this graph. [07:53] As for http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ches/map/index.html it doesn't work for me apparently. Clicking on request an internet map gets me their site map. [07:54] riza: look into the 'traceroute' command. [07:55] and traceroute will only work if the destination doesn't have any hops that block traceroute [07:55] Hm wait. [07:55] "The Genmask is simply the subnet mask. Why do they call it a genmask? Your guess is as good as mine." [07:55] That's what my teacher says. [07:55] So why IS it called genmask? lol [07:55] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [07:56] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Client Quit [07:57] AppDeb_ (~AppDeb@77.49.41.143.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:58] closest I can think of is "generated mask" as used in "generated mask of bits to check a subnet with" [07:58] AppDeb (~AppDeb@195.74.237.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:58] Nick change: AppDeb_ -> AppDeb [07:58] zaythan (~zaythan@83.sub-97-191-93.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:58] Noone knows, not even this CCIE guy that I'm talking to now. lol [07:59] He goes "no idea, sometimes we computer people do strange things". [07:59] I used to know, but it's been so long ago I forgot it [07:59] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:59] So it really did stand for something? [07:59] :O [07:59] yes [08:01] ok im running dd on that drive to back it up at this point im considering my /dev/sda to be a total loss, but if there is any way any program that can at least gain me access into it, that would be great. I still cannot find out why sorcerer wrote lvm2 on both partitions to /dev/sda [08:01] eh, doesn't help that it was ext4 :/ [08:02] KaMii, sorry for that hard drive loss. [08:02] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-22-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:02] well, the only thing im losing is my sims 3 saves.... :S [08:02] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:02] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:03] Oh.. haha. :) [08:04] but that was like hours right there... [08:04] Could someone remind me what X calls the key that allows one to "combine" characters to get the accented letters and other good stuff like that? [08:04] riza: wait until you get into the pre-defined private IP ranges :) [08:04] alisonken1lap: i already have that, but only 3 so they are easy to work with [08:05] alisonken1lap, oh dear. [08:05] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:05] alisonken1lap, oh when I tab your name I get home first, is it okay if I don't bother and just type to alisonken1home? [08:05] And yay I'm a hop. I just did traceroute localhost. [08:05] can you guys do me a favor and throw something at me, the next time I say I want to install another distro of linux [08:05] doesn't matter, I'll get them either way [08:06] haha KaMii :P [08:06] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [08:06] riza: actually, there's more than 3, but you get into ipv6 too [08:06] KaMii, done. [08:06] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:06] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [08:06] alisonken1home, is ipv6 in use? I mean by the general public. [08:06] yes it is [08:07] people in here even [08:07] Hm.. should I be worried that I'm not using it? [08:07] but you have to remember, there's also reserved ranges that are public as well [08:07] i was going to remove x from this computer... but now, since everything is working, Im just not going to touch it [08:07] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:07] riza: do you know which RFC's to look up for that info? [08:07] alisonken1home, yes. I hope I do. [08:07] I printed out tons of RFC a while back. [08:07] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:07] Just never got around to reading it. [08:08] read them online or d/l the pdf's - it's cheaper [08:08] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [08:08] http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/index [08:09] I asked about what to print a while back. [08:09] lol [08:09] I had free ink, paper, etc. [08:09] They would've just tossed it in the garbage. So... I had my way and thought "why not, I might need it". [08:09] By the time I did that, it was too late, I realized there were thousands of RFCs. [08:09] ;_; Sigh.. but I have a lot though. [08:11] There is a RFC that specifies the use of Avian carriers [08:12] Avian carriers. [08:12] there are quite a few april 1st ones, as welk [08:12] Birds. What? [08:12] *well [08:12] riza: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html [08:13] Aaahahaha! [08:13] heh, that's a 4/1 rfc [08:13] yup [08:13] That has to be the cutest paper I have ever read! [08:13] Oh my god... [08:13] Is there a txt of this? I wanna keep it for my site. [08:13] riza: have a look at rfc5735 [08:14] alisonken1home, ah. [08:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day_RFC [08:15] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:15] "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day_RFC" [08:15] haha, 2005's ip over burrito carriers [08:15] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:15] trhodes: you're single quote in there hosed the search [08:16] works OK for me [08:17] parentheses mess up my links, though [08:18] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.154) joined ##slackware. [08:18] you have to recode the ' into %27 so link works [08:18] Gah. [08:19] So I have to "export $PATH /sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin", I did that right, yeah? [08:19] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [08:19] export PATH=$PATH:extra:path:information [08:19] um, you probably should export PATH, not $PATH :P [08:19] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:20] what alisonken1lap did was probably what was intended [08:23] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [08:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:24] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFC33.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Oops. [08:25] Sorry I should seriously get some sleep now. [08:27] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [08:29] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:30] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [08:31] im trying to install swfdec-mozilla on my Slackintosh, I already built and installed swfdec from a slackbuild, but the mozilla plugin is saying that swfdec is not installed... but it is, i dont know how to tell ./configure where its located (There is no SBo for swfdec-mozilla) [08:31] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:31] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] KaMii: ./configure --help [08:31] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:31] i did that, but i got lost really fast [08:31] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [08:32] It's probably in there [08:32] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:32] I think its --WITH-PACKAGE but I [08:32] im not sure [08:32] sorry hit enter too soon [08:32] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:33] It should just be in standard directories [08:33] Or the version may not be correct [08:33] maybe missing ldconfig? [08:33] Action: NaCl doesn't know [08:33] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [08:33] or it may be --Program-prefix or --program-suffix [08:34] but i dont know the difference between those [08:34] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-8-86.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:36] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [08:37] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:37] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-030.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:37] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Quit: Quitting [08:38] Bubo (~stu@wp.eris.qinetiq.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:38] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-169-76.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [08:39] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:39] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-169-76.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:40] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [08:40] groo (~groo@187.101.216.237) joined ##slackware. [08:40] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:41] groo (~groo@187.101.216.237) left irc: Client Quit [08:42] "The command ifconfig eth0 gives the IP address, broadcast, and subnet mask. Why is it unnecessary for ifconfig to give the broadcast if it supplies both the IP address and subnet mask?" [08:42] How in the world do I answer that? [08:43] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:43] riza: think about our discussion earlier :) [08:43] the answer was given then [08:43] Oh. [08:43] Hmm scrolly up. [08:43] Alright to figure out the network range and... [08:43] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-155-15-85.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:44] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.131.164.61) joined ##slackware. [08:44] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-8-86.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:45] no - the question is "why do you NOT have to give the broadcast address when you configure the interface with the IP and netmask?" [08:45] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-124-215.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] D: Ooh the notation thingie. [08:45] oh forget i am making really dumb mistakes today... it helps if I use the right version... sorry im having a bad day [08:45] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:45] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [08:45] KaMii, me too, not to mention lack of sleep. [08:46] the reserve address thingy in conjunction with the notation thingy [08:46] Action: KaMii throws some sunshine on riza [08:46] Action: riza closes the blinder. [08:47] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [08:47] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [08:48] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:49] In about 15 min I'll REALLY go to sleep. [08:49] alisonken1home, thankee. 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[09:05] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.52.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:06] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-163-88-22.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] deltaray (~Deltaray@glenn.servers.suso.org) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Can anyone paste the default crontab run-parts section from Slackware somewhere? I'm making a table of different distro's cron timings. [09:09] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [09:10] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:11] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [09:12] deltaray: http://pastebin.com/qDTm4PzZ [09:13] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [09:13] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:13] I gotta admit, learning about cron has made me feel pro. [09:13] wait till you learn sed [09:13] And awk. :D [09:14] and bashisms [09:14] and emacs [09:14] emacs is an o/s unto itself [09:15] except it has a poor editor :-) [09:15] If you want to learn more command line stuff, follow climagic on twitter or identica. [09:15] ananke, thanks. [09:15] heh [09:16] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [09:16] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:16] Haha. [09:16] I learned some emacs already. [09:16] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:17] I found out emacs break hard link. [09:17] Learned that the hard way. [09:18] Roin (~florian@p5B2BD97A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] hm [09:19] Okay way past 15 min, bed time. [09:19] Good... morning all! [09:19] Thank you 100 times alisonken1home! [09:19] bah, vim is much nicer than emacs :P [09:19] word! 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[09:33] deltaray: "nano? might as well use notepad.exe" :P go go xkcd [09:35] I use vi and joe, hardly matters [09:35] Roin (~florian@p5B2BD97A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: brb [09:35] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) got netsplit. [09:35] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:36] Drakevr, Well, its just that nano doesn't have a lot of the advanced features that make sysadmining easier. I just feel that people who choose to use nano don't know what they are missing. [09:38] think it has some plugins and certain features that surely are helpful [09:39] not that sure however , i asked mostly out of curiosity [vi user] [09:39] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF7DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:40] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Quit: Quitting [09:41] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) got lost in the net-split. [09:41] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [09:42] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.234.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:42] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) got netsplit. [09:42] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [09:43] waabimiigwan (~steven@106-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:44] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.154.51) joined ##slackware. [09:44] fb|jean > vi > emacs > joe > nano > y'all [09:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:48] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) got lost in the net-split. [09:48] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:48] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-169-76.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [09:52] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:53] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. 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[10:42] GrooveDroid: yes [10:42] dont ask me about the details though [10:42] Ahh, that is good news. [10:44] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:45] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:45] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) joined ##slackware. [10:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:47] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:48] gbonvehi (1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:51] Oxpemog (~IceChat7@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Quit: I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure. [10:52] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-8-86.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] guys, is ext4 recommended over ext3? [10:53] no clue what's the current status of all that [10:53] sure [10:54] gbonvehi (1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [10:56] hum, inodes_count (0) too bit for a filesystem with 0 blocks ... [10:56] ext4 is the default slack format, so that should give you an indication :) [10:56] alisonken1home: thats good enough for me then [10:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] anyone knows what causes that error? [11:00] what were you doing to get that error? [11:00] straterra (straterra@fuhell.com) left ##slackware. [11:00] mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda3 [11:00] this works in another partition, weird [11:01] well, this is just 30mb for the boot partition, I'll try ext2 [11:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:02] bah, I think I need to reboot [11:02] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:03] kr_eten (~quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:05] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [11:10] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [11:10] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [11:10] I'm now packaging foo2zjs which doesn't have a release version. [11:12] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Client Quit [11:12] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:14] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [11:14] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-22-160.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:14] janemba (cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) left ##slackware. [11:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:15] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [11:17] Axius (fd@92.85.221.15) left ##slackware. [11:17] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.52.85) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:20] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:27] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:27] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.52.85) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:31] edthix (ed@115.135.181.53) left ##slackware. [11:32] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:32] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [11:35] Elfo (no_w@83.240.167.193) left ##slackware. [11:36] So I found out the problem with my fonts showing up like blocks [11:37] Turns out when I mirrored TDS I got 13.0's packages for X [11:38] that and xap [11:38] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.52.85) joined ##slackware. [11:38] fatalnix: interesting; just curious, but changing the font type in the conf couldn't solve the problem? [11:39] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.52.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:39] ^^ hmmm, that ping timeout seems impossible [11:39] I didn't think of that, I'm not really big on the whole font thing [11:39] edthix (~ed@115.135.181.53) joined ##slackware. [11:40] fatalnix: i was just curious about whether that would work or not [11:40] In fact, I'm not quite sure what you mean, unless you can set it for the font server or something [11:43] dapeamel (~dapeamel@81-229-77-134-no64.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:43] hey guys [11:46] fatalnix: the "boxes" usually mean you can't read a certain "type" of font set, if i'm not mistaken [11:46] like chinese characters, etc. [11:46] oh, I know that much [11:46] why are you guys using slackwire?. [11:47] Slackwire? [11:47] I am not. [11:47] slackware" [11:47] not the last time I checked it wasn't slackwire :) [11:47] who is using "slackwire" dapeamel [11:47] for fuck sake I was wroting wrong ok?. [11:47] okay, got it [11:47] sorry god [11:48] you mean bob not god [11:48] s/wroting/writing it/ ;) [11:48] god is afk atm [11:48] I am not. [11:48] LOL [11:48] sahko: you mean "Bob" right? ;) [11:48] yeah sorry:) [11:48] as penance, 3 beers and read through the upgradepkg script ;) [11:48] you were wroting wrong? [11:49] does slackware[ kernel configuration support much ?. more than other dists?. [11:49] "support much"? [11:49] drivers etc.. [11:49] the kernel isn't slackware [11:49] you can config a kernel to support whatever you need [11:49] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:49] a kernel is a kernel - the only difference between the distro's is the options they enable by default [11:50] I got it.. [11:50] the default kernel(s) that come with slack seem to be alright [11:50] dapeamel: I'd say defautly, yes. However, the kernel is open source so you can always rebuild it to your needs [11:50] dapeamel: I use slackware because it works the best with how my mind works. As for the kernel I have had little probems with it, and it supports all my hardware so far. [11:50] jgeboski, yeah I know used gentoo for a while now... [11:51] Action: jgeboski backs up [11:51] BP{k}, I have that problem in gentoo, my config doesnt support all also I tried to rebuild it etc.. [11:51] it's a valid question. some distributions patch the kernel, and add other devices. [11:51] yeah^ [11:51] exactly that why I wondered.. all have different stuff.. [11:51] and some distributions just suck. [11:51] :) [11:51] dapeamel: to answer your question, slackware uses vanilla kernel from kernel.org [11:51] But not Slackware [11:51] dapeamel: the Slackware kernel is 100% vanilla [11:51] yeah [11:52] Action: fatalnix licks the kernel [11:52] 'mmm! [11:52] sometimes slackware have had some smaller patches to the kernel... but not to extend it [11:53] the only kernel patches I've seen pat include were security patches [11:53] yes, and bug fixes i think i have been seeing [11:53] it's an interesting issue, considering the shift in responsibility of maintaining kernels. bug fixes are now the responsibility of distro maintainers [11:53] I see.. [11:54] i have several times been taking a vanilla kernel from kernel.org and it has been working well with slackware [11:55] I wish autodesk been released to linux.. [11:55] edthix (~ed@115.135.181.53) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:55] mrcarrot: i've done that for years, but there are certain cases where vanilla kernels weren't patched for some broken drivers. sucks that kernel developers offloaded that responsibility onto distro maintainers [11:55] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:55] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-199.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Have anyone seen if nvidia driver 256.44 builds on 2.6.35? [11:56] if distro developers even choose to address the issue... often back to hardware manufacturers. but the whole driver thing is a bunch of problems... [11:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:58] hiptobecubic: I'm running 256.35 in 2.6.35 and it seems good. I'd assume it'd work. Don't know if there are any major changes though [11:58] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:59] jgeboski: hmmm. well if that earlier version works then i suppose this should too, no? [11:59] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [11:59] The error I keep getting is "unable to determine Nvidia module name" [11:59] hmmm [11:59] I'll try it [11:59] can you append the name? [11:59] which is silly, of course. It's obviously goign to be named "nvidia" ;) [12:00] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [12:02] dapeamel: i've never installed a distro that found absolutely everything and got it up and running without a hitch; and if it fails to do that, it doesn't matter that it got "most of the stuff" of something some other distro didn't [12:02] it still means i'll have to get it to work [12:02] shonudo: never installed an OS that found..... [12:03] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.210.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:03] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [12:04] well shonudo I see .. [12:04] >( [12:05] hiptobecubic: yeah, it's probably a universal [12:09] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:09] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:11] jgeboski: same error with 256.35 [12:11] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) joined ##slackware. [12:11] re [12:11] I don't get it [12:11] each time I used sbopkg, filesystems permissions changed...do you ever had this problems ? [12:12] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:12] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:12] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:12] hiptobecubic: Figured as i just successfully updated mine fine [12:12] hiptobecubic: are you passing the -K param for multiple kernels or something? [12:14] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [12:14] jgeboski: nope [12:14] Graf_Ithaka (~georg@unixboard/users/graf) joined ##slackware. [12:14] hi there =) [12:14] jgeboski: just running it normally [12:14] did anybody experience problems with cups when updating from 13.0 to 13.1? (slack64) [12:15] hiptobecubic: That's really strange :/ Have you tried running nvidia-uninstall and then try running the insstaller again? [12:16] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:17] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:19] mcury (~mcury@189.24.152.154) joined ##slackware. [12:19] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [12:20] jgeboski: same error [12:20] plunge_ (~david@212.183.140.19) joined ##slackware. [12:21] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:21] janemba (cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) left ##slackware. [12:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:22] jgeboski: http://vpaste.net/cgpIo [12:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [12:22] that is for an older driver, but the error is the same [12:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:23] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [12:23] vpaste.net/MspI7 [12:24] what does ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build point to? [12:24] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:24] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [12:27] jgeboski: it's a softlink to /usr/src/linux-2.6.35 [12:28] hiptobecubic: Might sound like a dumb question but, that's the correct source for your kernel? [12:29] jgeboski: yes :) [12:32] hiptobecubic: that's rather odd as it almost appears as it doesn't know where to put the built module at. At least that's what it appears to be. [12:33] hiptobecubic: You had a previous driver working on this machine? [12:34] hiptobecubic: your source, is it the actual configured source you used to build the kernel or is it just the unconfigured source? [12:37] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. 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[12:59] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-186-247-105.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] what's the time overhead to adding files to an encrypted partition-fs? [13:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:03] (II) LoadModule: "intel" [13:03] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810 [13:03] right! thanks [13:04] Graf_Ithaka (~georg@unixboard/users/graf) joined ##slackware. [13:04] jgeboski: yes that's the source that was used to build. still configured. yes i've had working nvidia drivers on this machine in the past. [13:04] cups problems anyone? I keep getting error 500 pages when trying to configure it.. with 1.4.3 cups from slack13.1 and same with self-compiled 1.4.4 cups from source -.- [13:06] perhaps now is a good time to test out the nouveau drivers :) [13:06] hiptobecubic: you've got me beat. :/ [13:06] Graf_Ithaka: are you up to date with patches/ ? [13:06] hiptobecubic: I don't think they have good 3D support but, not 100% on that. [13:07] hiptobecubic: I know you can use the driver in the console though :) [13:08] plunge_ (~david@212.183.140.19) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:08] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.140.105) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:09] hipster!!! [13:09] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl13-184-130.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [13:10] Graf_Ithaka do you have a server runnin? [13:10] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:10] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl13-184-130.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:14] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:15] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:17] sahko: no, I've been using unpatched cups [13:17] tripFantastic: no, desktop [13:19] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [13:19] good afternoon/evening [13:20] Graf_Ithaka: no, Slackware stable releases get updates through the patches/ dir (security updates mostly) [13:20] does anyone here runs rekonq on slackware? I want to know if this person is being able to see flash on rekonq (I am having flash plugin issues) [13:20] sahko: okay I just updated using the cups from patches/ - still the same problem [13:20] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:20] Graf_Ithaka: did you update all packages from patches/ or just cups [13:21] also did you merge any .new files? [13:21] Kenjiro: if flash works on konqueror, it works on rekonq too [13:21] Graf_Ithaka cups needs a daemon to respond [13:22] it doesnt work here, but it doesnt work in konqueror either [13:22] sahko: I'm atm updating everything in patches/ [13:23] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Ivshti (~Ivshti@77.76.51.86) joined ##slackware. [13:24] (konqueror is self-built not the Slack package) [13:25] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:25] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:25] brb [13:26] sahko: well.. it's not working on both :( [13:26] (I am running kde-4.5rc2, from alienBOB's packs) [13:29] maybe alienBOB could share some insight. as i said it doesnt work here either [13:29] despite the fact that nspluginscan finds it, it never appears in settings [13:31] Ivshti (Ivshti@77.76.51.86) left ##slackware. [13:33] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-186-247-105.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:33] sahko: are you using a 64bit version of flash plugin? [13:33] no 32bit [13:34] I am using 64bit and konqueror doesn't find the plugin [13:34] on firefox it works just fine [13:34] did you try nspluginscan in cli? [13:34] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-181-89-9.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:34] hmmmmmmm no [13:34] let me see that [13:34] im quite certain that will find it [13:34] thats what konqueror execs when up push 'scan for plugins' [13:35] s/up/you/ [13:35] nspluginscan(13112)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so" [13:35] nspluginscan(13113)/kdecore (KLibrary) findLibraryInternal: plugins should not have a 'lib' prefix: "/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libnpjp2.so" [13:35] yeah, it finds it [13:35] but it never appears in the gui [13:36] but when I click "scan for plugins" on konqueror, it doesn't [13:36] i dont know whats the cause. ive even asked in the kde forum but got no reply [13:36] maybe try #kde [13:37] Nick change: bunnyboi -> Jennifur [13:37] will have to do [13:37] sahko: thanks [13:38] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.52.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:38] if you solves this, let me know :) [13:38] sure thing [13:40] sahko: updated to everything in patches/ - still same behaviour, cupsd startable but webinterface error 500 on every link [13:44] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl13-184-130.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [13:45] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [13:46] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.90) joined ##slackware. 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[13:52] jgeboski: i don't really play any games or anything crazy, i wouldn't mind trying the nouveau drivers out, but i can't get that working either. [13:52] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:53] jgeboski: oh probably not. this box is a mess. I have .......... 2.6.32.8 installed. but it doesn't have video drivers in it either.... and the source tree for that has since been patched up to 2.6.35 [13:54] hiptobecubic: I was going to say just uninstall as it's looking for the drivers from the other kernels when you go to install but, you already did that [13:54] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:54] jgeboski: yeah. it's not complaining about drivers already being installed, i managed to clean those out [13:54] have you ever used the nouveau drivers? [13:55] hiptobecubic: I have but, i like the my 3D stuff like games and they just don't work like the NVidia drivers [13:55] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.93.184) joined ##slackware. [13:56] I like the fact though that the nouveau drivers work in console though [14:00] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] jgeboski: what do you have to do to get them working? just build them? anything special? [14:00] something in xorg.conf? [14:01] artaud_ (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [14:01] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:02] hiptobecubic: Just build, yes. Then if you don't have a custom xorg.conf just run nvidia-xconfig which the installer should ask if you want it to do it for you. [14:02] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:03] jgeboski: nouveau uses nvidia-xconfig? i thought that was part of the nvidia driver release [14:03] hiptobecubic: I don't know much about nouveau but, it shouldn't be. That's part of nvidia's drivers [14:04] jgeboski: right. but you mentioned you had used the nouveau drivers. I was just asking if there were any secrets to it that i am missing. [14:05] gbonvehi (1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:05] gbonvehi (1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [14:06] hiptobecubic: Shouldn't be. It's been a good while since i've messed with it [14:07] braqoon (~bdebski@gatekeeper.office.dialogue.net.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:08] hi, does anyone installed 13.1 on Asus eeepc and have touchpad on/off button working (left top corner, or Fn + F3) ? [14:08] alienBOB: ping [14:08] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [14:08] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Linus (~SlackWare@bl7-150-147.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:13] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [14:13] exit [14:13] :) [14:14] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:15] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [14:15] hba (~hba@189.188.112.116) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:16] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl13-184-130.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:16] braqoon: is the touchpad synaptics? [14:16] yes [14:17] Linus (~SlackWare@bl7-150-147.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [14:17] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF7DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: brb [14:17] you need to edit your xorg.conf file [14:17] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-150-147.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:17] i cannot remember what it is you need to change, but google, synaptics xorg.conf [14:17] that should help you out [14:18] kk [14:18] having a screen full of terminals is _excellent_. irssi. mutt and rtorrent, mocp and a general shell [14:18] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:18] no messing around with flipping screen or multiple desktops [14:18] dustybin: im the same, irssi, snownews, lynx [14:19] ace :D [14:19] KaMii: what wm? [14:19] fluxbox [14:19] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.140.96) joined ##slackware. [14:19] im using XFCE at the moment, but i will adopt this to a proper tiling wm [14:19] this is my entertainment screen [14:20] i could create another one for coding [14:20] this dd copy is taking ALL DAY [14:20] Action: dustybin feels excited [14:20] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: shonudo [14:20] PrettyGirl^ (cdsc@41.236.13.181) joined ##slackware. [14:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:21] before, if a new email arrived, i would need to open the thunderbird app or flip screen for mutt [14:21] now its right in front of my eyes [14:22] KaMii, overall i have no problem with touchpad, i think more like is the keyboard as somehow this dedicated button does not work. I can switch touchpad on/off with a simple script, but can't map it to this button [14:22] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.90) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:22] theres a button on your touchpad? [14:22] Axius (~fd@92.85.216.80) joined ##slackware. [14:23] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:23] KaMii, no no. There is a button to switch off or on touchpad on the keyboard [14:23] mocp can play internet radio stations using .pls files, this is ace :D [14:24] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:28] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) joined ##slackware. [14:29] dapeamel (~dapeamel@81-229-77-134-no64.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:30] SigmaVirus24 (WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) left ##slackware. [14:31] jnylin (~jnylin@c-4171e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Jennifur (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:33] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [14:36] ok, i think this is due to XF86TouchpadToggle is not recognized. Any chance i can assing XF86TouchpadToggle to specific key ? [14:37] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [14:37] Howdy [14:38] PrettyGirl^ (cdsc@41.236.13.181) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:39] arfon: [14:42] KaMii: [14:43] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:9a0:a550:3188:a1f2:6ea) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:43] i think i lost all my data again :S [14:43] Whatcha up to? [14:43] You should tie a string on to it so you can find it easier [14:43] im waiting for dd to finish, its taking forever [14:43] Oh... dd [14:44] did we OF IF backwards? [14:44] something wrote lvm2's to both partionons on /dev/sda [14:44] i hope not arfon [14:44] Well, I hope you don't lose anything iireplacable... [14:45] irreplaceable even' [14:45] just my sims 3 saves [14:45] Pfft! You can make those again. [14:45] but... then i lose my favorite character named arfon [14:46] :( That makes me sad [14:46] I bet he was the bestest character of them all! [14:46] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:9a0:a550:3188:a1f2:6ea) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Action: arfon hopes arfon was smart enough to go to the bathroom on his own... [14:46] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:46] he cried a lot and always failed at everything [14:47] :P [14:47] Action: arfon wishes there was a better raspberry emoticon. [14:47] is there a way to disable the motherboard soundcard without doing it in the BIOS [14:47] :P""""""" [14:47] so the /dev/dsp device isnt created [14:47] Unload the modules? [14:47] right is that all! [14:48] really i should do it in BIOS [14:48] That's the first thing that comes to mind for me [14:48] yar ill test [14:48] why not disable it in bios? [14:48] You could take a power drill and put a hole through the sound-chip... [14:48] haha [14:49] Where do you people think up these things???? [14:49] powerdrills and onboard soundcards? [14:49] Hey KaMii, did you ever get the palm to sync? [14:50] i prefer firecrackers [14:50] no not yet [14:50] Action: arfon like 5lbm hammers [14:50] Those chips are fairly durable, firecrackers just leave little black starts on the boards. [14:51] starts=stars [14:51] Action: dustybin falls off chair laughing [14:51] FATAL: Module snd_ac97_codec is in use. [14:51] strange [14:51] do i need fuser? [14:51] Did you find arfon yet KaMii ? [14:52] dd is still working, going on 6 hours now.. [14:52] This may not work for newer versions of Slackware but, go into the rc files and disable the module load.... [14:52] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:53] Well K, you've either got a HUGE hd, a sloooow machine or you're playing WOW on the box while trying to dd . [14:53] braqoon (~bdebski@gatekeeper.office.dialogue.net.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:53] 160 gig [14:54] what are you dding to? [14:54] ...floppies? [14:54] a 250 gig external ide connected via firewire [14:54] I wonder why it's so slow [14:55] probably because knowing me i did something wrong [14:55] Which box are you dding? [14:56] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:56] my main box [14:56] Slackintosh? [14:57] Or the BSD one [14:57] lol no no [14:57] my AMD athlon [14:57] its 3500+ [14:57] What OS? [14:57] Slack? [14:59] 13.1 [15:00] like what would an average time take for dd to clone a 160 gig [15:00] Ah. Sux when your main box gets trashed.... :( [15:00] ya... well i blame sorcerer for that [15:01] IIRC, it took me about 2 hours to clonzilla (dd+compress) 3 partitions on my 160G net book. [15:01] i figured it would take about 12 hours but now your worryin gme [15:02] Isn't Sorcerer a distro? [15:02] yup [15:02] zErOaCid (slacker@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left irc: Quit: simon says: rehashing [15:02] and it borked slackware [15:02] is it a LiveCD distro? [15:03] no [15:03] I hate it when Slack gets borked... [15:03] So, why were you messing with a second rate distro? [15:04] because i have a second 160 gig hdd, that was just sitting there doing nothing [15:04] and i got bored [15:04] and no one was here to slap me [15:04] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Ah, did you say "hey ya'll watch this" before you tried the install? [15:04] hahaha [15:04] no [15:05] Boredom + "Hey Ya'll" causes more mayhem in the world... [15:05] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-150-147.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:06] So KaMii, I've been meaning to ask you... how/why did you learn English? [15:06] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:06] because probably I was born in the USA and My pappa is american [15:07] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [15:07] oh gods, is KaMii on a teenage angst trips again? [15:07] Cut the bashing [15:07] hba (~hba@189.188.112.116) joined ##slackware. [15:07] no, teenage angst trip? [15:08] so, momma speaks English also? [15:08] she can but she refuses to speak english with me, she says I need to practice my swedish because it sux [15:08] there is no option to disable the onboard sound on my BIOS, am i right in thinking that i could list the module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf so it will not load at boot? [15:09] usually [15:09] ace :D [15:09] however, if the card you replace it with uses the same module, you're screwed [15:09] or just make sure its not executable anymore [15:09] although I think you can tell udev not to assign it to a specific PCI ID [15:10] Kinda, KaMii is in "Oh Smurf! I just smurfed my filesystem" hell [15:10] adaptr: it uses a different module, its a usb sound card [15:10] KaMii: since when are modules executable, exactly ? [15:10] i have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 [15:10] ah, great [15:10] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:10] just blacklist hte sucker [15:10] ace [15:11] uhhh, since I said they were [15:11] good luck with that! [15:12] They become executable after you +x them.... [15:12] (I'm not saying that they will execute well but,...) [15:12] will=well [15:13] no it isn't [15:13] it was fine the first time [15:13] ignore my last [15:13] so then arfon is somthing going wrong since this dd has been going on for 6 hours and still not done? [15:14] wut? [15:14] 6 hours SOUNDS too long to me..... [15:14] you're just making a back up copy right? [15:14] ya [15:14] The dd is heavily I/O bound, not CPU bound. [15:14] Tobarja (chatzilla@204.31.133.118) left ##slackware. [15:14] Clonezilla that sucker, it will show progress [15:14] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [15:14] If you've got a slow disk to read or a slow disk to write to, it can take a very long time. [15:15] i think its just slow [15:15] grrrr the module still loaded after reboot [15:15] dustybin: You could always delete the module. [15:15] dusty, go into your modules dir and rename it [15:15] it won't load then [15:16] that is hackish!? [15:16] HA HA! [15:16] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: see ya [15:16] does it matter as long as the job gets done? :p [15:16] Haskish but works = works [15:16] deltaray (Deltaray@glenn.servers.suso.org) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:16] dustybin: what did you do, exactly ? [15:16] everything works [15:16] but if i want to use mplayer [15:16] i need to keep on specifying /dev/dsp1 [15:17] its getting annoying [15:17] mocp will not work [15:17] because its using /dev/dsp [15:17] can't you udev a rule to swap them? [15:17] im not sure how to do that [15:17] udev is hellish [15:17] double eek [15:17] dustybin: locate your udev rules for the USB card, and delete the rule [15:17] dont get me started on udev [15:17] it will re-detect it as dsp when the other card is blacklisted [15:18] but, what do you think of idev on Ubuntu KaMii ? [15:18] or you can manually change the node name in the rule :) [15:18] udev [15:18] i only have 2 rules in /etc/udev/rules.d [15:18] 70-persistent-cd.rules [15:18] 70-persistent-net.rules [15:18] i think this is just a slow HDD or something, becuase i know when I moved my 20 gigs of music to an external it took about an hour and a half [15:19] in slackware 13.1, user$ DISPLAY=foo ; /bin/su -; root# echo $DISPLAY, and i get "foo", wtf? [15:19] dustybin: then the dsp should be redetected if the other module is blacklisted. WHAT did yo DO, *exactly* [15:19] snd_intel8x0 [15:19] that was the one! [15:19] sorry [15:20] kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A6BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:20] now i only have dsp1 ! [15:20] i need to blacklist snd_intel8x0 [15:20] and reboot :D [15:20] What is the command to configure X after the install? [15:21] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:21] X -configure as root [15:21] thnx [15:22] any idea? o_O? [15:22] its strange for me, since '/bin/su -' should give me a clean enviroment for root, but i get the value for $DISPLAY from the user. [15:23] Linus (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:23] it works!! thanks guys :D [15:24] is there a command i can type in another tty that will show me the progrssion of dd? [15:24] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Axius_ (~fd@92.85.216.80) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Linus (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [15:25] KaMii: df [15:25] df your target drive [15:25] uh... are you sure thats a good idea? [15:25] ten df again a little later [15:26] df? It just checks free space [15:26] KaMii: why not ? df is fast [15:26] you could loop it with sleep [15:26] What is the command to get the latest updates from the Slack site? Not from the current tree. [15:26] while 1 do df -h /foo sleep done [15:26] Or be a unix-master and cron it :) [15:26] omg its not doing anything [15:26] used 2864 [15:26] wtf is going on? [15:26] Do you have blinky lights? [15:27] unlikely, but use dstat to confirm [15:27] because the HDD has been running [15:27] dstat [15:27] its been blinkig and I have been hearing things working [15:27] me too, they're called "slaves" [15:27] kleanchap: man slackpkg [15:27] dstat isnt installed [15:27] adaptr, thnx [15:27] im running dd in Backtrack 4 [15:28] is this really not doing anything, for 6 hours its just been sitting there doing nothing? [15:29] Clonezilla is the place to be... Farm living is the life for me... Land spreading out so far and wide, keep you Backtrack just gimme that countryside... [15:29] i am seriously about to start crying [15:29] yup, teenage angst [15:30] KaMii, you can restart it and not lose data [15:30] what has this been doing all 6 hours? [15:30] may be in some sorta loop [15:30] If it were windows, I'd say there was a pop-up box under something waiting for you to hit OKAY [15:31] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-83-4.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:31] geneller (~chatzilla@static-adsl201-232-95-118.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [15:31] artaud_ (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:31] hi, i got a problem, i'm a web developer and i got a table, al title for tds in that table are not enable because of add-on "google toolbar", how can i enable these titles but keeping enabled that add-on [15:32] i think i know why its not working [15:33] becuase the drive is so borked, it cant dd anything [15:33] why ? [15:33] its caught and stuck [15:34] I had a bad (slow) seagate 1500 and I stuck it in a sata enclosure, it just died on me last week. just...died. useless crap. [15:34] i killed the dd process and tried to mount that drive, and its giving me the unknown filesystem type LVM2_member error [15:34] wasn't more than a year old [15:34] KaMii, take a look at this- http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/06/show-progress-during-d d-co [15:34] py.html [15:34] so im now assuming that I will never beable to breakinto that drive [15:34] I only glanced over it but, it may help you. [15:35] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [15:35] Action: arfon has never saved a corrupted linux FS [15:35] you did try fsck on it? [15:35] no [15:35] fsck is your only hope [15:36] your webpage doesnt exist [15:36] http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/06/show-progress-during-dd-copy.html [15:36] fsck wont run, fsck.lvm2pv: not found [15:38] :( [15:38] I ext everything [15:40] so do I arfon somehow that drive got a lvm2 applied to it when sorcerer was installing [15:40] ok, im calling it a loss [15:40] im done wasting time, im going to use a thermonuclear-warhead on it [15:42] mkfs.ext4 = thermonuclear warhead? [15:42] geneller (chatzilla@static-adsl201-232-95-118.epm.net.co) left ##slackware. [15:43] mhm [15:43] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.210.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:43] mkfs.btrfs.... [15:43] what file system do you normall like to use for backup drives? [15:43] puts butter on your fs [15:43] I use ext [15:43] brt, lol [15:43] but the question is - is it butter-side up or butter-side down? [15:44] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) left irc: Quit: changing servers [15:44] I use EXT with ionode size = 128 (so fsdriver will read/write to it) [15:46] FAT16 FTW [15:46] ahahaha [15:47] only if you have small files and a small drive to go with it [15:48] Noone will EVER need more than 4Gb [15:48] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-34-236.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:49] would you like this FREE DVD video that's 4.3 GB, my freind ? [15:50] I don't know, is it Sex And The City 2? [15:50] doesn't matter, your 4GB can't store it [15:50] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:51] Just zip it down for me [15:51] feh [15:51] I could autoknot it for you , but no, wait.. I'd need 5GB of temp space [15:52] artaud (~Artaud@187.113.165.65) joined ##slackware. [15:52] Action: arfon hand adapter 10 500M drives [15:52] artaud (~Artaud@187.113.165.65) left irc: Changing host [15:52] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [15:53] If you need more, I have some 420M drives [15:53] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [15:54] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) joined ##slackware. [15:54] 420 meg drives, lol my cellphone takes larger micro sd cards [15:55] I had an IBM XT with 10MB add-in card. it weighed about 10 pounds [15:55] Hi. [15:55] covered 3 ISA slots [15:55] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-78.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Nick change: riza -> miss_riss [15:55] Hi Riza [15:55] Was that the LONG isa cards with the drive mounted on the> [15:55] them? [15:56] yup [15:56] I was so proud [15:56] I remember those! RICH dudes had them [15:56] I upgraded from dual 5.25" floppies [15:56] mine was a 20M drive [15:56] yew bastrd! [15:56] got it for $200 in hong kong [15:56] :P [15:57] cmk_zzz (~martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:57] I was stuck with floppies [15:57] hello, world! [15:57] (the ship hit port for 3 days :) ) [15:57] I don't like the ol' dayys when it comes to computing. [15:57] Hello cmk_zzz [15:57] Slackware was nearly impossible back then, about 10-15 years ago. [15:57] Floppy Slack? [15:57] Ew. [15:57] miss_riss: we're talking more like 20 years ago [15:57] Better than floppy Redhat [15:57] hey atfon [15:58] *arfon [15:58] Ya, still. [15:58] I get the idea though. [15:58] I knew who you meant :) [15:58] 20 years ago I was like 1 year old, give or take. [15:58] lol [15:58] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:58] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [15:59] So KaMii and riza answer this... What is up with young girls taking up Slackware? [15:59] .... I'm 23. I'm not young. What? [15:59] Nick change: miss_riss -> lfjob [16:00] Riza, you're young [16:01] I'm old. I just started college too. [16:01] I messed up everythinggggg. I'm old. :( [16:01] lfjob: you're young [16:01] Anyone wanna respond to riza? [16:01] :( [16:01] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [16:02] because we are the best and only use the best [16:02] I wish I was 10 again, really. When you are young, no responsibilities. I ran around, I had fun, I laughed. Food and stuff was provided to me at near-demand. [16:02] doesn't everyone respond to a 23 year old hirl? [16:02] *girl [16:02] cmk_zzz, funny enough, I've landed on ignore for apparently hav\ing feminine names. [16:02] only if they're not caught by the police :) [16:02] nuking has begun [16:02] KaMii being practical again [16:03] i have responsibilites [16:03] KaMii: So you couldn't save your disk? [16:03] Let me be 10 againnnnn. I just want to dance, I just want to play tag and play handball (NYC stuff). [16:03] number one. Dont burn the kitchen down... number 2, dont burn the house down... number 3 dont ever be bored and install another distro because you wil bork slackware [16:03] Let us know if mkfs hits the 5.5hour point KaMii [16:03] lfjob: well, it can be upsetting to some I guess [16:04] cmk_zzz: I tried all i could think, got nowhere, so sorry arfon your sims 3 character clone just got nuked [16:04] Axius (~fd@92.85.216.80) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:04] Axius_ (~fd@92.85.216.80) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:04] KaMii: That sourcerer thing is just *magic* eh? [16:04] poor arfon, finally giot deleted after a Sim Lifetime of standing on the corner waiting for a ride to work... :( [16:04] i guess, im thinking about nuking that also, but am afraid [16:05] and all smelly beacause he peed himself, and was hungry because he couldnt figure out how to eat [16:06] Graf_Ithaka (~georg@unixboard/users/graf) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:06] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:07] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.105.251.126) joined ##slackware. [16:08] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Miss me? [16:08] [crickets] [16:09] was there a noise in this channel? [16:09] :( [16:09] oh, you were gone ? [16:09] :( [16:10] haha, no one even noticed you left [16:10] :(( [16:10] poor arfon [16:10] It at least got quieter, right? [16:10] very [16:11] no, because ovnicraft joined while you were out, the balance remained 291 [16:11] Action: arfon doesn't know ovnicraft [16:12] ovnicraft, neither do [16:12] dustybin (dustybin@wizbox.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:14] alisonken1home: there is always a lot of noise in this channel. [16:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:15] BP{k}: :) [16:15] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] szonek (~soakda@wieszjakjest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:16] szonek (~soakda@wieszjakjest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:19] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.167.179) joined ##slackware. [16:25] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:27] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:28] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) joined ##slackware. [16:28] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Can someone give me detailed instructions to what exactly needs to be done to nvidia drivers after installing multilib with Alien's wiki information? I re-ran slackbuilds from sbo and lost all graphics, now I got a mismatch between kernel and driver versions [16:30] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:31] I just ran the nvidia installer, and it prompted me automagically with the question if I wanted to install 32bit compat nvid libs. [16:31] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-005-237.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] okay, that's what I'll do. Have tried to use slackbuild scripts, but maybe they're just not up to this now -_- [16:33] Aldaron: slackbuilds follows slackware. since multilib is not part of slackware (it only ships in pure lib, I am not sure the nvidia script deals with that) [16:34] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-005-237.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:34] mmh, good point. [16:35] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.167.179) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:36] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-78.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:37] BP{k} is spot on [16:38] Okay, now X works again [16:39] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Now I even have direct rendering in 32-bit mode :) [16:40] alienBOB: maybe you could add to the Caveats section that attempting to use SBo scripts for nvidia drivers is NOT what one wants to do - rather, after multilib install, removepkg nvidia-driver and nvidia-kernel and use nvidia's installer? [16:42] Aldaron: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib#caveats is as far as I will go along with that suggestion (it has been in there for a while already) [16:44] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [16:45] alienBOB: I read exactly that text over and over again multiple times without being able to make it work (reinstalling: running the SBo script again and installpkg the result, and when I still had no 32-bit functionality I used /etc/profile.d/32dev.sh (which I source'd at first, freezing my box, but that's another story) and created a -compat32 package using your script..) [16:45] tekzilla (~jon@d010207.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:45] crunchpotato (~cold@193-126-149-49.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:45] But fine, I'll edit the slackwiki and tell there which parts of your instructions are unclear [16:46] My instructions are clear. I am nowhere talking about slackbuilds.org nvidia packages. [16:46] crunchpotato (~cold@193-126-149-49.net.novis.pt) left irc: Client Quit [16:46] grr. You are talking about installing something, and I doubt I'm the only one thinking that an SBo script is the default way to install something that's not in slackware. [16:47] tekzilla (~jon@d174224.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:47] If you think they are incomplete, talk to the author of that script and explain that you want his README to be expanded with multilib information [16:47] kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A6BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:48] arfon: must have left again? [16:48] I never use a slackbuilds.org script to install the nvidia driver, but there will be many that do. [16:48] You (and many others) are free to think otherwise of course, but not willing to clarify something that is misleading to some people (and spending more energy in rationalizing in irc why not to do that).. Well, suit yourself [16:48] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:49] I just wasted 3-4 hours with this, that's why I care. [16:49] I understand that [16:50] thank you for understanding [16:50] ^^ and if I would have said something like that, everyone would have yelled at me and called me names... [16:51] Sorry, I was reading Snownews [16:51] KaMii: you haven't got enough slackpoints to speak like that [16:52] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-83-4.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:52] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:52] I'll be happy when 32bit finally dies [16:53] me too [16:53] With 13.1, I took the plunge and didn't bother with multilibs [16:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] when 13 came out, there were still too many apps that wouldn't compile on 64 bit [16:54] we got slack points???? and they say im an immature teen... lol [16:54] I just installed a new computer last night, slackware64 and I will not care about getting multilib on it. Nor adobe's flash [16:54] so in term of 64-bit 13.1 is fairly complete? [16:54] Unfortunately, flash is somewhat necessary :( [16:55] Several sites I use use flash :( [16:55] Hmm I will try gnash again [16:55] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [16:55] I avoided multilib for a long time, but then I needed to play Dwarf Fortress :) [16:55] I wish flash would die a horrible death also [16:55] ^^ agreed [16:55] Google Earth is another really nice thing [16:55] Well this machine will be my new server, so it will not need 32-bit programs [16:55] Action: arfon gives KaMii some of his slack pints [16:55] points [16:55] sure, my laptop still has no multilib [16:55] Aldaron VM maybe? [16:56] alienBOB: gnash? [16:56] yay I have one slack point [16:56] We're in the process of removing flash from all our sites. [16:56] I couldn't be happier. [16:56] My laptop has multilib slackware64 - that is where it is very useful [16:56] Java next please [16:56] arfon: maybe, I've just never been very good with those (so would need to spend time learning to do that) [16:56] yes kill all java and javascripts from websites, i dont need facebook following me [16:56] I'm with ya Aldaron [16:57] (I just want to be able to wget my IP from my home router (that uses javascript to do everything) [16:57] So basically, the only thing you need multilib for (except for Dwarf Fortress of course) would be flash? [16:57] My clear modem.... Javascript [16:58] I'm running 64bit flash, vunerabilities be damned [16:58] alienBOB: if you get gnash going, i might install some kind of flash plugin again [16:58] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:59] the flashblock addon is pure gold [16:59] alienBOB, you there? [16:59] My computer runs significantly better with it ;) [16:59] and if places like hulu.com weren't so picky about specific flash and flash versions as well .... [16:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:00] Hi jeev , yes! Back home [17:01] Action: arfon checks Facebook for KaMii's current location [17:01] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.140.96) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:01] nyRednek: I have been using gnash for a while, but youtube videos never had sound [17:02] alienBOB: really? [17:02] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:13] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-005-237.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:13] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [17:13] xine plays a .Ogg.. as does MPlayer [17:13] wescotte: usually because the right codecs aren't installed, but for ogg they should be? [17:14] Amarok uses xine for playback right? [17:14] libogg is installed aswell [17:14] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.140.96) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.93.184) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:16] what does xine-check say? [17:16] amarok uses either xine or gstreamer [17:17] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:17] xine is my "prefered" backend in KDE's sound settings [17:17] RLa (~RL@infdot.com) joined ##slackware. [17:18] jnylin (~jnylin@c-4171e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:18] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [17:18] hey, slackware 13.0 does not include solitaire like card game? [17:18] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:18] i'm unable to find one under Games manu [17:18] Hey arfon, just in case you're curious... with the Zoom 4595 aircard, I was able to send an AT+CSQ signal strength query to the modem even while it's connected. [17:19] For that model, the second serial port is where you send such queries, and the third serial port is for ppp. [17:19] I am interested Redb3ard, I've been playing with a Perl script to try and query the MC760..... [17:19] xine-check --> http://pastebin.com/r7cKyfeJ [17:19] I have a few MC760s now. [17:20] When I figure that one out, I'll let you know. [17:20] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-23-179.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:20] Go Redb3ard go! [17:20] Though, unless Novatel quits being a dick and tells us they can sell us 2500 next year, we probably won't use it for the main project. [17:21] :( the novatel is what I'm stuck with.... [17:21] hba (~hba@189.188.112.116) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:21] And, while I can't give you the perl script I'm using (the bosses would be mad), I'll give you a snippet that'll get you pointed in the right direction too. [17:21] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Device::Modem makes it very easy, actually... [17:21] Have you checked it out? [17:21] Action: arfon awaits with anticipation [17:22] wescotte: Does amarok play anything? [17:22] I was looking at Device::Modem but it looked like Device::Serial is more what I wanted [17:22] Might be a few days. Took me nearly 3 weeks to get the Zoom where we needed it. [17:22] cmk_zzz: mp3s yes.. It just won't add .Ogg to the library..Or play them if I do it manually [17:22] Device::Serial gave me headaches. [17:22] Tried using it for another device, never got what I needed. [17:23] Device::Modem uses Device::Serial.... :P [17:23] Freejack` (~Freejack@24-179-12-98.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:23] cmk_zzz: but I fire up xine and it plays an .ogg file [17:23] never mind, i found suitable game under KPatience [17:23] Yeh, it does... and it takes care of the hard parts too. [17:24] Congrats RLa [17:24] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:24] Yeah it does Redb3ard [17:24] The cpan page for Modem was SHORT! Not so for Serial :( [17:26] RLa (RL@infdot.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:28] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:28] i cant find what i did with my custom kernel [17:29] wescotte: I don't have access to slack 13 here, so I can't double-check with my settings. You did a full install right? And haven't fiddled with anything? [17:29] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:29] looks like im rebuilding that... for the third time [17:29] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433996.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:30] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433996.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:30] KaMii, back up your /usr/src/linux/.config [17:30] i thought I did [17:30] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:31] Did you check on your phone? I hear it holds more than 420Mb... [17:31] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:32] jonsmith1982 (~jon@78.145.121.208) joined ##slackware. [17:33] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.167.179) joined ##slackware. [17:35] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:37] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@97-127-208-135.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-207-250.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:39] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [17:39] dustybin (~dustybin@wizbox.org) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:39] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-207-250.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] is there a wrapper to use gij instead of sun java vm? [17:40] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:41] anyone use clustering software? [17:41] rather, a wrapper to use it instead as a browser plugin? [17:43] Skywise: Like, in general? [17:45] man i3 is awesome [17:45] this is my first exprience with a tiling wm [17:45] i3 is like using screen but x1000 more powerful [17:45] Skywise: are you talking failover clustering or computing? [17:45] failover primarily [17:45] but load balancing is ok too [17:46] i'm using heartbeat/pacemaker now and don't want to anymore [17:46] Skywise: I understand you [17:46] Skywise: what do you want to cluster? [17:46] basic lamp servers, apache, mysql, bind [17:47] i have 5 machines to use [17:47] gm152 (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:47] but 2 is ok [17:48] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:48] I found heartbeat/pacemaker a bit unstable. [17:48] and its impossible to find documentation on what its doing either [17:48] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:48] For VIP and load balancing I am using keepalived which I've found pretty robust. It is simple and working [17:49] when i wanna shut it down, to reboot, it screws up the cluster [17:49] simple is all i need [17:49] other solutions I like is ucarpd, but that is IP failover only, but you can of course setup IPVS on your own (keepalived does that for you) [17:49] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:50] These are not "cluster" software in themselves, so you might need something else for the database [17:50] depending on your needs of course [17:50] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.105.251.126) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:50] the database is ok, it has its own clustering, replication built in [17:51] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) joined ##slackware. [17:51] zaythan (~zaythan@185.sub-97-220-0.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Hey everyone how are ya [17:51] Hi zaythan [17:51] ready for the weekend, how about you [17:52] josemanuel (~josemanue@228.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Skywise: then have a look at keepalived. I would recommend it for IP failover and load balancing [17:52] Skywise me to bro...I am with the wifes family right now and I need a vacation from my vaction ;) [17:52] thanks, i got a pair of servers to play with [17:52] Hiya afon [17:52] i hear that [17:53] zaythan, Inlawworld is not The Happiest Place On Earth??? [17:54] bacal (~default@cpe-66-8-174-173.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:54] Hahahah nope not at all just spent 5 hrs in the GA aqurarium looking at fish [17:54] I just wanna tinker with my slackware box.... [17:55] :( Maybe next time you'll go to Red Lobster and look at fish.... [17:55] ssh buddy, ssh [17:55] Red. [17:56] Red loberster is yucky....and I never thought to ssh into my box.... [17:56] I even have a ssh client on my phone [17:56] Doh! [17:56] You're there! [17:57] bacal (~default@cpe-66-8-174-173.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:57] Action: arfon wonders if he forwarded the port on his router [17:57] he = zaythan [17:58] Naw I acutally haven't ever tried it but its def something I should do [17:58] horde is a webmail client you can spawn a shell with [17:58] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:58] the keepalived docs are rather out of date, is the project still maintained? [17:59] May I suggest something zaythan? If you do forward ssh through your router, don't use port 22. After awhile you'll start getting ZILLIONS of ssh attempts. [17:59] Skywise: latest release at: 2010-05-31 [17:59] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Skywise: Nothing has changed in terms of documentation though, it is fairly simple to use [18:00] Well, kiddos, time to go home. You guys have a good night... [18:00] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:00] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:00] i was really looking for more of a planning guide [18:02] Skywise: the best I can think of is www.linuxvirtualserver.org, but that is outdated, it shows the concepts though [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433996.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:03] yeah, i was looking at the blog on freshmeat to see if there was anything there [18:04] setting lvs will likely be what i do [18:05] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [18:05] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-160.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:07] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[18:13] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:14] I'm just installing terminus font and when I "xterm -fn terminus" I have an "xterm: cannot load font terminus [18:14] *error* [18:14] do you know how can I resolv this ? [18:14] I put /usr/share/fonts/terminus in xorg.conf and in /etc/fonts.conf [18:15] hello friends I'm a newbie to slackware, but average as linux user, need some help adding flash plugin, anyone can help? [18:15] runing slack 13.1 [18:16] kym_keive: There's a SlackBuild script for it at www.slackbuilds.org [18:16] kym_keive: what browsers do ,you use ? [18:16] Search for flash [18:16] firefox [18:16] but the slackbuild i got from slackbuilds [18:16] shows some errosmsgs [18:16] kym_keive: Then you're doing it wrong. Did you read the HOWTO and the FAQ? [18:16] kym_keive: what kind of error mesage? [18:17] got concerned installing the packge it generated [18:17] kym_keive: put the .so file into /usr/lib/firefox/plugins [18:17] states version incompatibilities... [18:18] kym_keive: pastebin the errors [18:18] got flash souce 10.0 [18:18] macavity (~demeter@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:18] ok [18:19] jhw (~jhw@p548D66AA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:19] root@blackstar:/home/kym_keive# cd flash-player-plugin [18:19] root@blackstar:/home/kym_keive/flash-player-plugin# ./flash-player-plugin.SlackBuild [18:19] libflashplayer.so [18:19] Channel flood from kym_keive -- kicking [18:19] This build script was written for a different version of the [18:19] flash plugin than you have downloaded. This is probably due [18:19] to Adobe changing the upstream tarball - they don't have [18:19] kym_keive kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:20] *sigh* [18:21] Not only did he not ust pastebin, but he didn't read the error message. [18:22] eeeee (~chatzilla@86.122.107.46) joined ##slackware. [18:23] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:24] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.81.171) joined ##slackware. [18:26] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-5-112.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:26] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [18:26] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.81.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:28] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] my lord. i just run xcompmgr from my terminal, it works perfectly with i3. i can fade between screens, this is truly amazing [18:30] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:31] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [18:31] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [18:33] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:35] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:36] mcury (~mcury@189.24.152.154) joined ##slackware. [18:38] nordle (~nordle@87.114.244.192.plusnet.thn-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-109-251.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:40] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-240.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [18:42] Hello, is it possible to test accessing a Slack box remotely from one network? ie I have PC A and B behind a single adsl router. I told the router to forward incoming traffic on port 22 to PC B. Then from PC A ran ssh to the IP address reported by the router. It worked, but was this as good a test as I can get with this setup. PC B is going to be 250 miles away next month, so don't want to get it too wrong :) Thanks [18:42] for any info. [18:43] PC B is hardly responsible for anything in that equation, other than having the correct network settings for whatever network you're on [18:43] nordle: Are both PCs behind one router? [18:43] make sure the firewall rules on b allow access from your external ip [18:44] jonsmith1982 (~jon@78.145.121.208) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:44] Both are behind the same router....I only have 1 adsl connection, so its a bit of a bodge. It seemed to work, I ssh to the external IP for the adsl connection and ended up on box B. But as I'm making it up as i go along thought it worth checking there was a better way :) [18:44] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:46] nordle: I would recommend to try the connection from outside the router if possible, perhaps from another serer you have or from a friends place. [18:46] nordle: Well, in this case you can use some site to check if the port on your modem is open. And make sure that firewall on PC B allows connections from any IP [18:47] If the port is open and you can connect from A to B, there shouldn't be any problems [18:47] Box B currently allows all inbound to port 22.....well not really port 22, just in case it might help cut down incoming attacks on 22. I thought about installing fail2ban but thought I might ban myself from 250miles away if it goes wrong :) I guess a boot of the router would get a new ip so that would be one way around fail2ban. OK, cheers, maybe grc.com for the test [18:47] scrote (~I@h208.185.216.66.static.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] hiya [18:47] Are there any books/tuts with materials that "all slackers should know". [18:47] guys, can't make nvidia work [18:48] I wanna be a slaker. [18:48] nordle: You can try canyouseeme.org to check the port [18:48] Kaapa: Neither can nvidia, so you are in good company [18:48] no screens found and "Primary Device is: PCI 00@00:02:0" is in xorg.0.log [18:48] cmk_zzz: nv doesn't work too [18:48] josemanuel (~josemanue@228.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [18:48] scrote: google -> slackbook ;) [18:50] nordle: And if you have dynamic IP I'd also think about checking out dyndns [18:50] .org [18:51] Kaapa: So, what version of slackware are you using? What nvidia card? Does it work in other distros? Does it work in Windows? [18:51] john_dee: Thanks for that, nice site, it can see me :) The IP is ok, there will be someone at the end of the PC. I'm just going to be remote desktop vnc over ssh to troubleshoot. They are new to Linux and I've built a box but want to be able to see what they are seeing. [18:51] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625222733] [18:51] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:52] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:52] cmk_zzz: works on windows, I have -current and a geforce 310m [18:53] and what do you mean by "other distros"? :) [18:54] Kaapa: well, good point, but has it ever worked under linux? [18:54] just bought the laptop today [18:54] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [18:54] nordle: There shouldn't be any problem then :) [18:55] ah, ok, have you checked that it is compatible with linux? [18:56] cmk_zzz: yes [18:56] phew [18:56] Linus (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:57] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [18:57] this system appears to have 2 cards [18:57] onboard and geforce [18:58] what laptop is it? [18:58] Linus (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [18:58] john_dee: Many thanks. I just want to do a good job, its family and its linux. It's a cheap PC and the guy is not well so it needs to be a help. I believe it will be. But wanted to double check that if something goes wrong we can sort it quickly. I did a Win box last year for someone and explaining over the phone what they were seeing and what I was epecting them to see made the job 20x harder. I know Win has RDP etc [18:58] but this time I've put it on before the box gets to them. Thanks again! [18:58] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@97-127-208-135.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:59] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:59] asus u30j [19:03] cmk_zzz: sorry about that.. got pulled away.. Yeah it's a full slack 13 install.. Amarok plays mp3s just not ogg. My slack 13.1 install on another machine doesn't seem to play ogg fiels in Amarok either.. [19:05] fundamental (~fundament@24-105-231-90.cm.mhcable.com) joined ##slackware. [19:07] wescotte: sounds like problem with Amarok -> Xine integration, or really, Amarox -> Phonon -> Xine. Too bad I don't have KDE4 available here, so can't check on my side. [19:08] eeeee (~chatzilla@86.122.107.46) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100731142230] [19:09] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [19:09] wescotte: The only thing I can recommend is to double-check that you are using Xine as backend for Amarok [19:10] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [19:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:10] nordle: Np. But if you're sending box to someone there might be stuff needed to be done on their side anyway. Like if they are having other internet provider etc [19:12] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-104.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] john_dee: There will be a _little_ setup (I hope a little). There will be an element of phone call to get us going. But hopefully a tweak on the router their end + letting me know the IP and we'd be good to go. [19:14] cmk_zzz: both list xine as the preferred backend.. I just converted the audio to mp3 for now but I'll look into it when I have more time [19:14] cmk_zzz: thanks for the help though [19:16] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:16] wescotte: no, sorry I couldn't be of much help. Sounds like a weird problem [19:20] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:20] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] Nick change: scrote -> oozeUzi [19:24] Nick change: oozeUzi -> uziooze [19:25] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:25] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:26] HEY GUYS! [19:26] fb|jean (~champus@s15224318.onlinehome-server.info) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:26] no? [19:26] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [19:27] Is anyone using nouveau? I am not having any success [19:27] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:28] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [19:29] hiptobecubic: did you compile an at least 2.6.34 kernel? [19:32] sahko: *.35 [19:32] oh and btw #nouveau [19:32] oh i didn't realize [19:32] thanks [19:34] HI hiptobecubic! [19:36] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:37] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.10) joined ##slackware. [19:37] http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/08/04/more-controversial-crap-or-where-did-all-the-linux-netbooks-go/ [19:38] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.10) left irc: Client Quit [19:38] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.10) joined ##slackware. [19:38] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:40] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:41] AEnima1577 (~asdfjkl@cpe-098-026-093-093.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:41] Freejack` (~Freejack@24-179-12-98.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:42] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [19:42] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [19:45] best linux related post ive read all year [19:46] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:46] sahko: Even better than that article playboy had about linux? [19:47] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [19:48] link? :) [19:48] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:49] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:50] ;) just google, playboy penguins are the new bunnies [19:50] Does slackware not come with xf86-video-nouveau? [19:50] is your /var/log/packages/ broken? :) [19:50] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:50] hiptobecubic: yes. it just does so to blacklist the module though [19:51] cause otherwise blob wont work [19:51] sahko: no that's xf86-video-nouveau-blacklist.... i need the X module for nouveau. Is it part of the blacklist package? The readme suggests uninstalling that package to use nouveau [19:51] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.25.20) joined ##slackware. [19:52] hiptobecubic: blacklist is the package version. name is xf86-video-nouveau :D [19:52] yes, remove it [19:52] sahko: yes i removed it. [19:53] soreau in #nouveau is talking about _installing_ xf86-video-nouveau because xorg can't find the nouveau module it needs [19:53] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.119) joined ##slackware. [19:54] hiptobecubic, you don't have it installed? [19:54] ok, so this laptop is an hibrid system with 2 cards. apparently I shold be able to make the onboard intel work and forget about the nv for now [19:55] hiptobecubic, the blacklist is for the kernel module and KMS mostly. to use the driver after you install it, though, you should un-blacklist it (or simply remove the blacklist package) [19:57] and then install your own [19:57] thrice`: blacklist package is removed. nouveau driver has been built. it is loaded. xorg log says it can't find it. http://vpaste.net/To4gn [19:57] fundamental (fundament@24-105-231-90.cm.mhcable.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:58] did you modprobe the module? [19:59] thrice`: yes. [19:59] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [20:01] thrice`: "You need nouveau ddx, might be called xf86-video-nouveau." says #nouveau [20:02] I know that the driver version is very specific to versions of drm and mesa. since I don't use it, I am clueless about what goes with what, though :( [20:02] nordle (~nordle@87.114.244.192.plusnet.thn-ag2.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [20:04] uziooze (~I@h208.185.216.66.static.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:08] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:10] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] gniks1 (~sking@24.238.12.206) joined ##slackware. [20:11] i feel ashamed i've used debian for 2 days :-( [20:11] but i'm back on the good side [20:12] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:12] well, how was it in 2 days m3tti? :) [20:12] don't know because i've no influence on the system [20:13] everything works or worked not [20:13] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:14] ok doing multilib install [20:14] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-153-255.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:14] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:16] m3tti: did you have a shower? ;-) [20:17] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] BP{k}: Unfortunately those things don't come off in the wash. [20:22] XD [20:23] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [20:24] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] greetings and salutations [20:26] of to bed [20:26] cu [20:26] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:27] Hi. Alright so I wanna setup an environment, any kind, where I can play with and experiment with Slackware's kernel. [20:27] Any idea on how to get about that? [20:27] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] a virtual machine [20:29] or better yet simply install slackware [20:30] andarius, No. I AM using Slackware but I don't want to experiment on here. [20:30] Too dangerous, I have a lot of stuff here. Work, stuff, I don't wanna bork it. I need to virtualize it I guess but dunno what I need to get that up and running. [20:30] then a VM is the way to go [20:30] or install it on a spare machine. [20:31] I.. don't have a spare machine. :|\ [20:31] I rather do it here... [20:31] then VM [20:32] So any step by step link? :) [20:32] I have none. I do not use VMs for anything. [20:32] I am sure others here however may know, as it is very common [20:33] I'll wait. [20:33] qemu's nice [20:34] kvm, virtualbox, vmware (probably not ideal on slackware) [20:34] yeah, quite a few people use virtualbox, too [20:35] Hm. [20:35] Alright I'll setup qemu then. [20:35] i don't care for their split licensing much (reduced free functionality) and qemu is simple enough for me [20:35] qemu works best with kvm support [20:36] if your hardware supports kvm, even better [20:36] yeah, mine doesn't but I have access to a computer that does [20:36] on my own personal machine, i've tinkered a bit with user mode linux [20:36] throdes: You still use qemu? [20:37] yeah, some [20:37] how's performance [20:37] a little slow, but seems OK [20:37] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:37] bad for gui's (which i don't use) [20:38] okidoki, I might want to give it a go. I never use gui in vm's either, ssh is fine for me thank you [20:38] cmk_zzz: it's faster than virtualbox [20:38] nyRednek: cool, even on old hardware? [20:38] my hardware (not the hardware I use qemu on) runs qemu quite poorly [20:39] Or am I mistaken when I think that it needs support from your CPU to run OK [20:39] no, machine-level virtualization is best with cpu support [20:39] which is mostly needed for playing with kernel stuff [20:40] I finally have a working X [20:40] is there any channel that gives support to intel cards? [20:40] i've messed around a little with user mode linux thus far on my old machine, and it takes a little more work to set up than qemu [20:40] It's not suspending [20:40] hibernate works, but I need to press the power button myself [20:40] cmk_zzz: haven't played with it on old hardware...will try it out and report back [20:40] i got an old pii [20:41] cool:) my hardware is not *that* old [20:45] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-240.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:45] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:49] am0rphis (~qwe@91.145.218.8) joined ##slackware. [20:49] eviljames (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [20:50] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [20:51] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:53] Anyone know of a good download manager with download scheduling? [20:56] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:56] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [20:56] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:57] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:00] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Quit: Sir_Konrad [21:03] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:03] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Quit: = gone [21:07] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:07] telperion (~Adium@190.156.36.117) joined ##slackware. [21:08] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:08] gniks1 (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[21:21] hiptobecubic, buy me a new one [21:21] hiptobecubic: could tinker with nvidia's if you get bored ;) [21:21] jgeboski, don't have the stomach for it now. just got this working [21:21] hiptobecubic: haha [21:22] jgeboski, also the nvidia driver fucks up xorg for the rest of the drivers out there.... or something [21:22] jeev, no. [21:25] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:25] hiptobecubic: well, that's nvidia and closed source for you. Hopefully the nouveau project will get mature and out rule those drivers. [21:25] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] I am curious as to how the nvidia driver module srews up xorg [21:26] I have no issues using the nvidia driver with xorg [21:26] nor I, nor changing modules [21:26] Is KMS enabled for your kernel/xorg? [21:28] It does work, but it changes files which are part of the xorg-server package, you have to reinstall the package to get them back. That's why the sbo packages for nvidia-driver include that little nvidia-switch utility [21:29] clearly indicating a reinstall is not required [21:29] otherwise a script would not be able to fix it [21:31] but yes, it does change the symlink (if I recall the process) [21:36] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:38] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:38] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] hi, all.. someone have, or had, problems with realtek alc268 sound driver (aka hda-intel)? [21:39] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:39] start working and just stop to work [21:39] yep, the module often needs options [21:40] like option model=toshiba? [21:40] when I put this, appears a lot of warnings in boot and the error still [21:44] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-104.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:45] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-104.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:49] is there a way to use gij to see applets in a browser? [21:52] zaythan (~zaythan@185.sub-97-220-0.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:52] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488F9D8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] hoobop (user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:55] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. 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[22:09] what's up [22:09] not really a problem and it's related to Xorg, but none of my messages get across at xorg or intel-gfx channels [22:10] ? [22:10] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:10] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:10] what is the issue? [22:10] I'm unable to set the screen resolution to its native value [22:10] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [22:10] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [22:11] greetings [22:11] I was wondering if someone had a sample xorg.conf for the AA1 [22:11] have you tried without using an xorg.conf? [22:11] the latest vers. of slackware doesnt really need it does it ;) [22:12] yes, auto-detection or simply adding 'Modes' line didn't work [22:12] what resolution does it set your screen to? [22:13] I have no idea really, but I'm certain it's not 1024x600 [22:13] screen looks like garbage [22:13] erm [22:13] is there a tool I can use to tell me what resolution it's currently at? [22:14] well, you need to go into your kde configuration and check to see if you can change the resolution [22:14] there was a command for that too... tell you most of the stuff ... [22:14] kde has one in the system settings [22:14] :(/me i hate my memory... [22:14] I didn't install KDE, I have fluxbox [22:15] :/ [22:15] yeah there is.. like xdg info or something [22:15] bgdn86: xdpyinfo is what you want [22:15] thank you slackmagic [22:16] bgdn86: xdpyinfo | grep dimensions to be exact :D [22:16] slackmagic: ;) [22:16] The-Croupier: hehe, you're getting old! What's up buddy [22:16] gobi42 (~IceChat7@174-158-226-86.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] what the... [22:16] slackmagic: not bad... too much other worries in my head [22:16] how about yourself [22:16] The-Croupier: I hear ya [22:16] hows life treating you these days [22:16] says it's 1024x600, but the screen is horrible [22:17] just recently been slowly upgrading my system to 13.1 :P . Yeah I know, guilty as charged. Been pushing it off for too long. [22:17] maybe it's your fonts bgdn86 .. [22:17] bgdn86: wanna take a screenshot and show us? [22:17] haha, possibly, they're huge [22:17] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:17] bgdn86: what doesn xdpyinfo |grep -i dpi say? [22:18] absolutely nothing [22:18] man the hell out of it ;) [22:18] k, maybe i gave the wrong command [22:18] bgdn86: what about xpdyinfo | grep resolution [22:19] 96x96 dots per inch [22:19] it's been a while since i had to use xdpyinfo [22:19] yeah, that is the dpi [22:19] I can't take a screenshot, I don't have a router, desktop is directly connected to the modem.. [22:19] Khratos (~jespinal@66.128.60.148) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:20] bgdn86: hm, what do you mean? your acer is not connected to the internet right now? [22:20] no it's not :/ [22:21] we are, we were just waiting for you to leave [22:21] mistell [22:21] bgdn86: if you really want us to help, it might be worth taking a screenshot, putting the image on a flashdrive or something and uploading it through the desktop system [22:21] let me see if I can find one [22:21] brb [22:21] gobi42_ (~IceChat7@174-158-226-86.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] macavity (~demeter@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:22] gobi42_ (~IceChat7@174-158-226-86.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:25] The-Croupier1 (~Arbi_Goce@adsl-69-232-66-195.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] slackmagic: which format do you want? [22:25] bgdn86: doesn't really matter. I'd say jpg should be fine for quick upload/download [22:26] gobi42 (~IceChat7@174-158-226-86.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:27] Soooooo. It's more than official. :D [22:27] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:30] am0rphis (~qwe@91.145.218.8) left irc: Quit: am0rphis [22:30] The-Croupier1 (~Arbi_Goce@adsl-69-232-66-195.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:32] cmk_zzz (~martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:34] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [22:38] http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5143/sshotf.jpg [22:38] there it is [22:42] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:42] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [22:43] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. 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[23:03] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] hello all [23:07] heya shonudo [23:07] hey trhodes [23:07] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-220.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] Hi trhodes. [23:08] Hi shonudo. [23:08] hey lfjob [23:08] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:08] lfjob, btw what was more than official ? [23:09] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [23:09] trhodes, this person tells me I just need to go back to the department and start registering for honor classes. [23:10] From now on, for the most part, I'll be taking honor calculus, honor physics, honor programming, etc. [23:10] oh cool [23:10] I can graduate with honors. [23:10] Muahahahahahaha! [23:10] Nick change: bleeding|edge -> phoenix^ [23:10] congrats :) [23:11] i can't get my second monitor to work :( [23:11] hiptobecubic: Still messing your video haha [23:11] hiptobecubic, why not? [23:11] with the proprietary nvidia drivers it was fairly straightforward and had a gui anyway [23:11] jgeboski, :) [23:11] trhodes, thank you, I've been working at it all this time. [23:11] i'm not sure what's going on [23:12] notarandomnick (cc0b1b4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.11.27.79) joined ##slackware. [23:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:12] hiptobecubic: look into Xrandr [23:12] xrandr shows three video outs (laptop lcd, vga out, s-video out) [23:12] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:12] xrandr --output VGA-1 --left-of LVDS-1 doesn't return any errors, but nothing happens. [23:12] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:13] http://vpaste.net/0HPzX [23:13] hiptobecubic: i have little experience with xrandr so i can't be of much assistance here. The fact it doesn't have good support for multi GPU yet has me on an older xorg version [23:13] well it's only one gpu [23:13] I was stating why i wasn't using it [23:13] :p [23:13] ah [23:14] I bet someone in here should be able to help you though [23:14] Getting two monitors to work is harder than I thought. [23:14] hiptobecubic, congrat on getting it up and running; have you thought of writing up an xorg.conf for it? [23:14] Hello all. Is anyone familiar with this line in iptables --list? [23:14] ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpts:metasys:11010 [23:14] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:14] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:15] shonudo: I think the new preferred method is xrandr [23:15] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:15] shonudo, there is a skeleton xorg.conf that is working right now. I just want to make sure that i can get the other displays working so that when i need them i don't have to spend an hour doing.. what i'm doing right now [23:16] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.167.179) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:16] does the xorg.conf include the options for twinview? [23:16] (i'm assuming you want twinview) [23:16] shit [23:16] I ran "xrandr -x" and now i don't know how to reverse it [23:17] It's amazing how entirely unreadable this is [23:17] jgeboski, yeah, i think xrandr is the future [23:17] hiptobecubic: maybe xrandr --auto [23:17] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:18] shonudo: unfortunately it's lacking multi gpu support as far i know [23:18] hiptobecubic: I've got a hammer next to me if you'd like to barrow it? [23:18] lol [23:18] ouch [23:18] resetting the resolution fixed it [23:19] nice! [23:19] damn that was awful. I don't recommend xrandr -x or -y, for the record [23:19] so where did you record the reset, hiptobecubic? [23:20] did you add it to the xorg.conf file you have? [23:20] .... wat? [23:20] lfjob (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: lfjob [23:20] you reset the resolution... on the monitor itself? [23:20] (i didn't quite understand what you meant) [23:21] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.180) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [23:21] no i used xrandr to reset the display resolution... which had the side effect of turning it the right way up [23:24] notarandomnick (cc0b1b4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.11.27.79) left irc: Quit: Page closed [23:24] well damnit [23:24] now everything has gone nuts [23:24] brb [23:25] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:25] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:26] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [23:26] jgeboski, i wonder what the deal is with xrandr not supporting multiple GPUs? [23:26] i'm trying to find information on it, but no luck so far [23:27] I hear it's possible in one of the betas 3 or something [23:27] been a while since i've looked into it [23:28] first time i've looked... [23:29] Action: jgeboski rolls up his sleeves and does some searching [23:30] a bit off topic but, I just tried out wicd [23:30] very good tool. [23:30] its nott bad [23:30] beats iwlist and iwconfig [23:30] yes [23:36] how is wicd "off topic"? [23:37] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@97-127-208-135.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] in relation to the topic of video drivers but, i suppose it isn't really [23:39] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [23:45] FDCX (0@188.25.228.83) joined ##slackware. [23:45] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:45] FDCX kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [23:46] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:46] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-189-175.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-157-180.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] hey folks [23:50] hey MLanden [23:51] shonudo: heya [23:52] totally off topic, but i'm watching a special on Tesla... [23:52] what a hoot [23:52] interesting guy [23:53] ahh..Nikola,not the rock band...History Channel,shonudo? [23:54] indeed [23:54] on "Modern Marvels" of all things [23:55] good show [23:55] it does have its moments [23:55] learn a lot of interesting stuff sometimes [23:55] that's for sure [23:55] other times i learn about making cracker jack [23:56] or licorice candy or something [23:56] :D [23:56] true [23:57] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-220.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:57] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [23:57] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [23:57] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [23:57] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:57] so, today... (let me know when this starts to sound like sesame street) i learned that tesla came up with AC current, invented the radio controller, anticipated radar, and was working on a death ray [23:57] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Client Quit [23:58] lol...shame Sesame Street doesn't get that deep [23:59] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-21.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] personally, i always thought big bird was working on a death ray [23:59] and just walked around being a dork to play off his sinister side [00:00] --- Fri Aug 6 2010