[00:00] thelrax (n=wayneben@75-58-161-145.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [00:00] nullboy: That 160GB transfer's done? [00:00] yep [00:00] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:02] i didn't want to be stuck reconfiguring everything so i did a clean install + luks on my backup disk and then cp -a my configured system over to my new encrypted setup [00:02] worked perfectly [00:02] sweet :) [00:03] I assume luks is an encrypted fs/layer? [00:03] it uses dm-crypt in the kernel [00:03] block level encryption [00:03] preformance penalty tho\\ [00:03] hardly [00:04] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-142-150.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:04] even this core duo handles it quite well [00:04] Is that stronger than, say, TrueCrypt? [00:04] i don't know [00:05] it's really all the same, it's encrypted [00:05] Action: muraii nods [00:05] i used twofish instead of AES though [00:06] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [00:06] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:07] why not double DES? :P [00:09] omfg. [00:09] this disk just failed [00:09] son of a bitch [00:09] bummer [00:09] so no one got my cryptography joke? [00:10] nullboy: which disk? [00:10] yeah i got the joke [00:10] the disk with encryption enabled [00:10] no big [00:10] i have 3 backups disks in my safe [00:10] nullboy: you didnt laugh though... [00:10] :( [00:11] damn there it goes, pending sector [00:12] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [00:16] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:29] stybla: got the pics :] [00:29] downloaded from squid site, but the md5 is on slackbuilds.org [00:29] |EC|Jackal (n=Owner@24.166.184.180) joined ##slackware. [00:31] lw0x15: where? :) [00:32] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:33] macavity: heh ... heh? :) [00:33] stybla: ill pm ya, alrite? [00:33] lw0x15: oki [00:35] Are these pictures or pictures? If they are just pictures, then via PM is fine. But if they are pictures, then you better share. ;P [00:36] pictures of my area (: [00:36] while still in snow [00:37] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:37] Nick change: Necrogami_ -> Necrogami [00:37] i read that as pictures of my arse [00:37] pff spook [00:37] Action: lw0x15 doesn't live in spooks arse [00:38] lw0x15: Rumor has it is very roomy. [00:38] lmao [00:38] lol [00:39] haha [00:39] phew [00:39] Any of y'all play any TDGs? [00:39] it's not something super critical read errors mapping "/usr/lib/libwireshark.so.0.0.1": Input/output error [00:40] i should be able to remove wireshark, boot off a boot disk and force reallocation [00:40] nullboy: Sounds like fun [00:40] good thing i have 3 different forms of backups for this system [00:40] muhahahah [00:40] Only 3? [00:41] and a safe to boot :P [00:43] i daily rsync to a removable disk, weekly image the main disk to a file on a storage server with mirrored storage and i keep whole second disk with an imaged copy of the system in a fire safe and that gets updated monthly [00:44] You're really protective of your .bashrc. [00:44] no, he makes porn. [00:44] lol [00:45] spook: I fail to see how you can WITHOUT a good .bashrc. [00:45] muraii: Use ksh [00:45] FriedBob: ksh has more porn-friendly functionality? [00:46] Sign me up. [00:46] Action: muraii looks for a slackbuild. [00:46] nullboy: What about a Drobo? [00:46] muraii: For best results use pash - the porn again shell. [00:46] Ding! [00:46] what's Drobo? [00:47] nullboy: I'll do it injustice. Google is your friend. [00:47] i think my current backup plan is solid [00:48] Simply: kind of like RAID, only without the suck. Automatically distributes data across multiple drives, even if they're different sizes, and you can swap 'em out without problems. [00:48] i prefer mssh [00:48] money shot shell [00:49] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [00:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:51] drobo is just raid5 [00:51] plus raid 5, plus raid 1 [00:56] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) left ##slackware. [00:56] raid 5 of all 4 disks, using max space per disk, plus raid 5 from 3 largest disks using max leftover space, then raid1 between the two disks with left over space [00:58] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. 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[01:08] hey, dumb question here, does the huge kernel contain all the modules that the modules package contains for a generic(smp) kernel? [01:08] Well, here's a little story: I listen to Macbreak podcast from time to time, and these guys that generate several gigs of media daily have been using Drobos for quite a while without any issues. [01:08] welp, time to take this system down and see if i can force a reallocation [01:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [01:08] Is there just an interface/wrapper to the RAID stuff, to make it for Dummies? [01:09] when a disk fails raid5 sucks and is more likely to have a second disk fail while rebuilding [01:09] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h90-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: "Client exited" [01:10] Hmm. Well, maybe they're just good sales guys, since Drobo sometimes sponsors the show. Maybe not. Maybe they buy really good drives and don't have 'em die. [01:11] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Must. Concentrate. [01:11] Nick change: muraii -> muraii[]work [01:12] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: "Leaving" [01:12] if you buy the same disks at the same time, they are from the same batch, and will fail usually around the same time [01:13] can you back this up with a proof :) [01:13] a mathmatical proof [01:13] google did a case study and published findings, though that was more about SMART. [01:14] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [01:19] anybody know if the huge kernels include the drivers? [01:19] probably all the drivers, thats why it is huge [01:20] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [01:20] fluxnuk3r: yes they do. [01:20] well, I would think so, but the mk712 module, which is for a touchscreen, is not read [01:20] generic has pretty much everything too, just mostly as modules [01:20] it should be in /proc/bus/input [01:21] huge has pretty much everything, just mostly compiled in [01:21] some modules wont auto-load [01:21] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [01:22] the config file says CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_MK712=m [01:22] so is that a module that is not compiled in? [01:22] Ja. [01:23] darn [01:23] yea so try loading that module with modprobe [01:23] modprobe mk712? [01:23] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk79.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:24] failed to load module mk712: unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter [01:25] invalid module [01:25] different kernel version, arch etc etc [01:25] hmm [01:25] that shouldn't be though. [01:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [01:26] well well [01:26] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:26] seems as if it was an anomaly [01:26] pending sector count is at 0 after a simple fsck [01:27] doesn't really make me feel good but whatever [01:27] I have a desktop with 12.2 on, and a tablet pc running a distro made for floppies (2.6 kernel interchangeable). I'm using the huge kernel and I took the module from the /lib/modules dir on my desktop [01:27] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:28] that wont work. [01:28] what do you mean? [01:29] sigh [01:29] (which part) [01:29] Module has to be compiled for the kernel you're using. They're not quite that portable, no, spook? [01:29] the part of taking modules from one distro to use with a kernel from another distro [01:29] the internal kernel symbols are dynamic [01:30] slackware huge kernel with slackware huge kernel module won't work? [01:30] the tablet is running a the slackware huge kernel [01:30] now i dont get the floppies part then [01:31] http://www.minimalinux.org/ttylinux/index.html [01:31] so basically you just made $OTHER_DISTRO boot the slackware kernel with modules? [01:33] ttylinux ships with a 2.6.20 kernel and a ramfs. you extract the fs image to get the regular directories. you can replace the kernel with pretty much anything [01:33] good for you then :P [01:33] 2.6.20+ [01:33] meaning? [01:34] a "good for you then" doesn't solve my problem :( [01:34] meaning that i havent actually seen a question come out of you.. [01:34] and no, i am not going to help you with another distro [01:35] however, if you have a slackware problem of some sort, i will go to great lenght to help you out [01:35] and to cook food [01:35] spook: i can haz free food? [01:35] my problem is above. the huge kernel is not reading my mk712 touchscreen. and the module won't load. [01:36] which classifies as a slackware problem. [01:36] macavity: you can haz free rope :) [01:36] fluxnuk3r: the touchscreen is on the tablet? [01:36] yah, needs evdev and mk712 [01:37] unless the best way to do it would be to recompile a slackware kernel with the modules I need built in. [01:37] it is not a slackware problem that ttylinux does not have the facilities to probe for your hardware and load the corespoinding modiles [01:38] and i dont know what the equivalent or rc.modules is on ttylinux [01:38] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:38] lol. so its actually GNU, not Linux? [01:38] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [01:38] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:38] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) joined ##slackware. [01:38] that is where you would normaly go to get modules loaded manually [01:38] ttylinux has modprobe [01:39] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:39] and is set up with the same files in /lib/modules/2.6.27.7/ to tell it where the modules are [01:39] but it doesn't like the module for some reason [01:39] then hack in the proper commands to load them somewhere in ttylinux's startup scripts [01:40] can't load if can't use. [01:40] (excuse the french) [01:40] not our problem.. i suggest you ask the ttylinux community about this [01:40] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [01:40] how can i possibly know? [01:41] dude. the module is taken from slackware. and it says there is something wrong with the kernel [01:41] *with the module [01:41] try installing the rest of slackware [01:41] but you're not booting it in a slackware system.... [01:41] probly incompat gcc,lib versions. [01:41] tank-man++ [01:42] there could be any number of reasons for the slackware kernel to not work on a totally different distribution [01:42] yup [01:42] right. install the rest of slackware on a 256mb compact flash card? why do you think i'm using a distro built for a floppy? [01:42] Not enough cheese. [01:42] Poona (i=80de2515@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-93d97a6c1540eeea) joined ##slackware. [01:42] and the kernel is booting. just don't know why it isn't loading the module [01:42] fluxnuk3r: your frustration is misplaced [01:42] fluxnuk3r: There's a version that's built to install on a Zip disk, 100MB. [01:43] fluxnuk3r, its just easier to diagnose a problem when starting from a known starting point [01:43] getting the idea that transfering the holies of the holiest of an OS might be trivial is at best amusing [01:43] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:43] Is there a skype package for slackware 12.1 [01:43] macavity: zipslack ended at 11.0. I need a 2.6 kernel [01:43] fluxnuk3r: A version of Slackware, I mean. [01:43] fluxnuk3r: Ah, okay. Was unaware. [01:43] its okay. [01:43] fluxnuk3r: will the tablet boot from a USB stick? [01:43] i've been working on this tablet for 6 months+ [01:44] macavity: nope. internal cf card and usb-floppy [01:44] cf card max size of 256mb [01:44] so why are you stuck with slackware in this case then? [01:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:44] you can either use a different distribution or custom built slackware to work on your device [01:44] if it has a USB floppy, i suspect it can boot from a regular USB stick too [01:45] well, because Slackware actually makes sense. [01:45] i am in fact almost certain that it can [01:45] macavity: nope. BIOS only reads floppy [01:45] take the hard drive out, stick it in another laptop and install slackware on it? [01:45] I've tried USB multiple times [01:46] 256 megabytes... [01:46] of HD? [01:46] compact flash card [01:46] No HD, apparently. [01:46] macavity: he said many times now 256MB card.... [01:46] no HD at all? [01:46] the CF card is it's hard drive [01:46] nullboy: i misread that [01:46] bios reads it is primary master.. [01:46] i see you predicament then [01:47] How difficult to make latest ZipSlack use a 2.6 kernel? [01:47] *your [01:47] and puppy ain't so small when you try and install it on a hard drive. [01:47] muraii[]work: probably harder than what I am trying to do [01:47] fluxnuk3r, is this a commercially available tablet pc? im curious as to the brand/model [01:47] hitachi visionplate. [01:47] the blue one. [01:47] fluxnuk3r: If you've been trying to get it running for 6+ months, maybe not. [01:47] does the USB work on it like normal USB when there is an OS on the device? [01:48] normal? like mounting and such? [01:48] yes [01:48] kexec? [01:48] yup [01:48] switchroot that bitch [01:48] i.e. use the CF card to boot the USB drive? [01:48] I've tried that.. [01:48] use the 256MB card just to boot a kernel and run init scripts to bot into a USB flash stick [01:49] that would work [01:49] I know which tablet I'm not buying. [01:49] slackware, when booted, reads the usb drive as /dev/sda right? [01:49] well... [01:49] fluxnuk3r: it doesn't matter what the OS sees them flash device as, setup it up to work with whatever it needs [01:49] when pointing the root partition to /dev/sda1, it can't find itself with a ten foot pole [01:49] it's not a big deal... [01:50] you're doing it wrong then [01:50] thanks :) (seriously) [01:50] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [01:50] you need a little mod to the initrd to boot from USB [01:50] also, the slackware kernel only sees the /dev/hda(1) partitions [01:50] if you can make a kernel boot and at least see USB mass storage devices then it is possible to boot off the CF and into a USB flash device [01:51] hey if i have an SATA system is the dvd-rw/DL drive supposed to be detected as /dev/hda or /dev/sdc etc? [01:51] fluxnuk3r: it doesn't fscking matter what the disks are detected as for crying out loud [01:51] the hard drive is /dev/sda but the dvd-rw drive is /dev/hda for some odd reason [01:51] i could swear i disabled the "act like IDE" feature in the BIOS .... [01:51] you just need to setup fstab and lilo properly [01:51] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] nullboy: so how do I tell it "find root on some device that you don't know where it is"? [01:51] TwinReverb: and you are 100% that it is a SATA dvd? [01:52] Action: TwinReverb double-checks the laptop manual again [01:52] fluxnuk3r: if the kernel can properly enumerate USB mass storage devices all you need to do is make sure fstab and the bootloader know what names to use [01:52] TwinReverb: as in, you have checked that the cable is about as wide as 4 matches [01:52] you will need an initrd most likely [01:52] TwinReverb: i can tell you the answer to that.. [01:53] nullboy: so the initrd would contain the location of the usb drive? [01:53] fluxnuk3r: will you just read the above URL? [01:53] the initrd would contain any USb mass sotrage drivers + fs drivers you need to access the USB mass storage device [01:53] ok [01:53] fluxnuk3r: it has a step by step guide of the procedure.. all you need to change is place the bootloader, kernel and initrd on the CF card [01:54] Is there a skype package for slackware 12.1? [01:54] Poona: have you checked slackbuilds.org? [01:54] macavity: from "all you need to do..." on is what the problem has been [01:54] Poona: Checked slackbuilds.org yet? [01:54] Dang. [01:54] fluxnuk3r: the bottom line here is that if the kernel can be made to enumerate USB mass storage devices at boot time it is possible to boot INTO the USB device [01:54] ok [01:54] so step 1: make the kernel at least detect USB mass storage devices at boot [01:55] muraii[]work: skype isn't opensource, it won't be at slackbuilds [01:55] yes it is in SBo [01:55] it is a repackage [01:55] .... [01:55] fluxnuk3r: Neither is Opera. [01:55] ...which is at SBo, IIRC. [01:55] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.1/network/skype/ [01:55] ..... [01:55] >_< [01:56] Let's start a browser war. Does Opera not suck yet? [01:56] oh. will check it [01:56] Action: macavity hands nullboy a cold soda pop [01:56] lol [01:56] thanks [01:56] macavity, i guess not. lspci lists an IDE and an IDE SATA controller [01:56] so i guess it's correct [01:56] it is [01:56] TwinReverb: is this a laptop? [01:56] yeppers [01:56] otherwise it would indeed have been sdb [01:56] Action: TwinReverb now owns his first sata machine [01:56] TwinReverb: some laptops use SATA for the main disk and normal ATA for the bays [01:56] and my first 64 bit [01:57] nullboy, i guess that makes sense because dvd-rw drives won't really need that much bandwidth of speed to do their job? [01:57] now, if you insist on using libata for the DVD too, all you gotta do is pass ide1=noprobe to the kernel [01:57] then the DVD drive will show up as /dev/sr0 [01:57] TwinReverb: at higher speeds they might ata is usually plenty [01:58] cool [01:58] my laptop is pure sata so the installer detects everything using libATA, disks are sdX and optical drives are srX [01:58] this laptop @#$ rocks! all hardware works in linux and the WLAN LED comes on automagically when wifi is connected to stuff [01:58] libata has consistanly worked better for me over the last 10 or so kernel releases [01:58] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] last night was the first time in ages that i had decent battery life [01:58] TwinReverb: Brand/Model? [01:59] sony vaio VGN-C140G [01:59] i yank out ide.ko compleately from my kernel builds now [01:59] it's not cutting-edge new (1.66ghz core 2 duo) but it's very fast with slackware [01:59] martian67 (i=lol3izer@about/linux/regular/martian67) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:59] i'm downloading slamd64, i'll hope to report on how well that works out as well [01:59] TwinReverb: what kind of figures does hdparm give you? [02:00] TwinReverb: hdparm -Tt /dev/sda [02:00] macavity, /msg incoming [02:00] Timing cached reads: 1706 MB in 2.00 seconds = 852.88 MB/sec [02:00] Timing buffered disk reads: 106 MB in 3.03 seconds = 34.98 MB/sec [02:00] /dev/sdb: [02:00] Channel flood from TwinReverb -- kicking [02:00] Timing cached reads: 1718 MB in 2.00 seconds = 859.23 MB/sec [02:00] Timing buffered disk reads: 94 MB in 3.02 seconds = 31.18 MB/sec [02:00] TwinReverb kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [02:01] dangit /msg foo isn't fun [02:01] uhm... how well do you think that went? [02:01] next time use /query macavity [02:01] xchat should've known "oh, /msg foo is the first thing he said, the rest should all /msg" yeah i know next time /query [02:01] how is it supposed to know? [02:02] it cant tell the difference between keyboard input and a paste [02:02] anyways, i don't know if the figures are accurate. i got similar stats from my external USB drive [02:02] all it sees is a newline [02:02] yes, that looks like a 4800RPM drive [02:02] tough luck :P [02:03] 5400RPM drives usually give about 40MB/s [02:03] which doesn't make sense because by the stats on my drive from WD it's a 7200 rpm drive (this drive is a WD scorpio ... it was an upgrade) [02:03] what?!? [02:03] Action: TwinReverb nods [02:03] Model=WDC WD2500BEVS-00UST0 [02:03] i have a 7200rpm drive in this laptop, and it gives me all but 50MB/s [02:03] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) joined ##slackware. [02:04] Model Family: Western Digital Scorpio family Device Model: WDC WD2500BEVS-00UST0 Serial Number: WD-WXEZ07P13686 [02:04] the BEVS is not 7200 [02:04] BEVS drives are 5400 [02:04] oh ok [02:04] a slow one at that.. [02:04] i googled the heck out of it but oh well, my bad [02:05] well.. its still a nicely supported laptop [02:05] but you may wish to compile your slackbuilds with -Os instead of -O2 [02:05] WD1600BEVS Timing buffered disk reads: 142 MB in 3.03 seconds = 46.86 MB/sec [02:05] i don't remember if i asked you guys or if you guys remember but i think my old laptop was like 20mb/sec [02:05] that's what i have [02:05] lol [02:06] macavity, i usually compile everything i can -Os [02:06] dont do it with Mesa [02:06] i picked up that habit from pentium-M [02:06] macavity: What's -0s vs. -02 accomplish (just curious)? [02:06] -Os = optimize for size [02:06] compiles for size [02:06] which is not always the fastest option [02:06] muraii[]work: -Os is all the same optimizations you find in -O2, *except* for the ones that enlarges the binaries [02:06] i've always considered -Os to be for embedded systems [02:06] Ah, okay, danke schoen. [02:07] muraii[]work: and observe that it is -O and not -0 [02:07] usually for a CPU with bigger L2 (2MB+) this allows the CPU to see more code at a time in its L2, which should in theory make branch prediction more accurate, much less the code denser and more efficient for the L2 cache itself [02:07] Gotcha. [02:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [02:07] however, your mileage may vary (tm) [02:07] now that i have a faster machine, the temptation to recompile all of slackware as -Os is harder to resist [02:07] My mileage varies the hell outta this place. [02:07] some things really benefit from the loop unrolling though [02:08] dont compile math intensive stuff with it [02:08] however, the real benefit of it is that you get a lot fewer pagefaults on application startup [02:09] so it often gives a snapper response [02:09] ... but a prolonged runtime for multimedia stuff [02:09] or atleast a little more CPU heavy useage [02:09] isn't -O2 the "default" for gcc? [02:10] nope [02:10] you have to turn on optimization if you want it [02:10] Mesa compiles with -O [02:10] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [02:11] vdv (n=vdv@62.217.159.98) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:13] -O2 is what is considered safe optimizations.. that is, they dont outright break your code [02:13] -O3 can in some cases break poorly written code to the point of segmentation fault [02:13] i.e. gentoo :D [02:13] giuppy (n=giuppy@host189-162-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:13] i wouldnt attempt to compile glibc with -O3 [02:14] there is stuff in there that is already highly optimized by hand [02:14] i wouldn't compile anything with -O3 [02:14] transcode sets that as default [02:14] because they know what they are doing, and keep away from wonky stuff [02:14] gentoo's usual philosophy (to me, someone who only used it for a little while, and then gave up) seems to make everything -O3 that will compile that way, and if not, -O2 [02:15] StealthAsimov (n=andy@194.47.187.36) joined ##slackware. [02:15] id like to see a "make test" on glibc with those opts :P [02:16] half would return fail, and the other half would return epicfail-user-is-an-idiot [02:16] Action: TwinReverb just met someone so computer illiterate that they don't know how to tell how much free space they have on their local hard drive [02:16] they know what a computer is? [02:16] barely [02:17] i had to retract recommending even mandriva linux to them [02:17] spook: its the kind of people who think the harddisk is that big box that all the wires go into [02:17] ah yes [02:17] the "cup holder" people... [02:18] fwiw a friend of mine who was a linux newbie installed mandriva (granted, improperly: they wiped out their vista) without a problem and started using it just fine [02:18] oh well [02:18] i'll use my old laptop as a slackware "demo" machine to try and get people interested in linux [02:19] how can that be improperly? [02:19] when the user wanted to dual boot [02:19] but they were much happier with mandriva than vista so they didn't complain so much [02:19] well... just make sure you get delayed a number of times [02:19] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [02:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) left irc: No route to host [02:20] then in about six or eight weeks you come a long with pirate version of vista that will keep bugging them :P [02:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:20] then they wont look back ;-) [02:20] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:24] well he did reinstall vista but only so he could then shoehorn mandriva back on the machine. now he dual boots, and only boots vista when he must. [02:24] i usually see him running linux [02:24] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [02:25] night guys gotta crash [02:25] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6"). [02:25] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [02:28] i think ill go to the soft horizontal plane too [02:28] i wonder what will be on at the big psychedelic cinema tonight [02:29] ta ta good folks [02:29] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [02:30] good day to all that wish to have a good day :D [02:32] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:38] RaNdY (n=x@unaffiliated/randy) joined ##slackware. [02:40] vdv (n=vdv@62.217.159.98) joined ##slackware. [02:40] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. 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[03:02] spontainous crapping [03:03] that one aswell [03:04] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:04] i installed kismet.. and i get some fatal error of "not finding your user here" and points to /usr/bin/kismet_server [03:04] cut the file i get giberish [03:06] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:06] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [03:06] you need to have a user setup for kismet to drop privs and you also need to look at the kismet config file before you run it kismet... [03:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:07] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) joined ##slackware. [03:07] martian67 (i=user6962@about/linux/regular/martian67) joined ##slackware. [03:08] kismet is well documented though [03:08] nullboy: ok thanks [03:09] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:54] http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/05/0221211 [03:54] imagine that [03:58] i imagine they will follow they "ubuntu way" or similar [03:58] disable su logins [03:58] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:59] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:59] they need to do something. the majority of the malware that i deal with on client systems wouldn't have been an issue if their first administrator had just set users to be in users or power users instead of administrators groups [04:00] usually, without administrators group membership, only the user's profile is screwed [04:00] that's nothing compared to winlogon.exe getting backdoored [04:03] IIRC even if you enable the creation of an Administator account, the first user created is an Aministrator too [04:03] aww but that would mean no more speed clicking next until a piece of software is installed [04:03] sahko: yep [04:03] thats definately a problem. [04:03] but it's up to administrators to at least have their game together enough to know this stuff [04:03] decent admins should now that [04:03] know* [04:04] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) joined ##slackware. [04:04] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: Client Quit [04:05] home user situations...now that's different [04:05] mayhem [04:06] yeah, the problem is much more obvious when the adminstrator is a plain home user. [04:06] complete craziness happens then [04:07] macosx solves that issue quite nicely: sudo [04:07] plain users tend not to think of themselves as administrators of their machines [04:08] to them an administrator is a guy who works for some IT company or other [04:09] imo, the difference in thinking is why many find it tough to switch from win to lin :D [04:11] sadly MS doesnt have a similar thing to Ubuntu Brainstorm. http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ . at least AFAIK [04:13] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [04:18] sahko : sadly, not many distributions do, yet it's a great idea [04:19] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [04:20] i agree its a good idea. But probably most distributions dont need to have one, as their userbase is much smaller than ubuntu's. some do that thru their bug trackers [04:21] bug trackers are a bit annoying, they require too much involvement. brainstorm seems to be more approachable [04:23] true. but OSS is about involvement in essense. especially regarding small projects. :) [04:23] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) joined ##slackware. [04:23] screw involvement. especially the OSS one, where 'unless you provide a patch, we don't care to hear from you' [04:24] hello [04:24] that's where oss falls short [04:24] ello [04:24] i cant argue with that, depends on the project though. and what you are asking [04:27] it's not about asking, it's about suggesting [04:27] what i found "funny" about brainstorm is users ask insane things, many of which have nothing to do with ubuntu. they are 100% upstream. i wonder how those get implemented. do the ubuntu developers send the code upstream? [04:29] ok suggest. its more accurate [04:30] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:32] eg how is this gonna get implemented: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17847/ , if ever [04:37] Bugz____ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-77-154.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.77.154) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-78-120.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:38] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@75.42.78.120) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:38] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:56] is there some suggested procedure to operate a nic bonding active/standby on slackware ? [04:57] something like this maybe http://www.howtoforge.com/nic-bonding-on-slackware-12.1 ? [04:57] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:00] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:01] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:01] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:05] in xfce, whats the keyboard key to bring up the menu...? [05:07] Poona (i=80de2515@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-93d97a6c1540eeea) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [05:07] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [05:09] spook: windows logo key? [05:10] nope :( [05:10] nvm, i became slightly less lazy and found a mouse [05:10] heh :) [05:11] xfce is like a gnome/fluxbox hybrid, i really love it [05:11] I still think it's not as lightweight as they want to let you believe it is. [05:12] yeah can be a bit kludgy [05:12] It doesn't run well on a pentium with 60mhz :-P [05:12] lol [05:13] :D [05:13] Zosma: may be you should sync() time to time ;) [05:13] Haha [05:15] WOW, a genuinely nice person on ebay. item didnt arrive and they refunded all my money [05:15] then again, i used paypal so i woulda got my money back. [05:21] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03705.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:21] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:21] oh i just thought of a good argument for not using gentoo [05:21] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03705.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] change processor and you have to reinstall [05:22] gentoo is a pain in the ass [05:23] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:23] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [05:23] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:23] hmm, how can i find out more stuff about the wireless card? so that i can put it in a kismet.conf? source=type,interface (know this already),name? [05:24] madwifi? [05:24] The-Croupier: read ummmm man kismet.conf [05:24] it lists the valid types [05:24] plus a bit of a blurb [05:24] spook: did already...and im in config file online [05:24] spook: plus lots of a blurb... [05:25] are you using madwifi? [05:25] why would you have to 'reinstall'? simply recompile for that new processor [05:25] iwlwifi i see here [05:25] is that the one? [05:25] iwlwifi-3945 [05:25] no idea. i know nothing [05:26] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:30] lol gentoo thinks they are so cool, yet things like mythtv uses -O3 [05:31] vyrux (n=pausebre@60.54.49.9) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:31] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) joined ##slackware. [05:31] Kerio2004 (n=Port@78.93.64.221) joined ##slackware. [05:31] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:31] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-03083c5d355676a8) joined ##slackware. [05:33] slamd64 is well synchronized with security updates coming from slackware? [05:34] they are pretty much in sync [05:34] k thx [05:34] most of slackware's are CVEs [05:35] updates dont come from slackware, they come from slamd64. [05:37] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:38] ok [05:39] there's lag though :p [05:39] slamd64 12.2 has patched all the packages that slackware has released packages for, before it was released. [05:39] Action: fred points at #slamd64 [05:39] spook: however those updates weren't available for 12.1 /immediately/ after they were out for slackware 12.1 [05:40] and I've not updated xdg-open yet. [05:40] morning [05:40] fred: yeah thats very understandable. you're only one person,. [05:40] aperturefever (i=1000@195.251.166.61) joined ##slackware. [05:40] fred: but we love you just the same, for all the work you've done [05:42] thx also from me I'm downloading slamd64 right now :-) [05:42] Action: spook shouts at mythtv to make it compile faster [05:42] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:43] one more glitch.."unable to open dump file nameoffile.dump"permission denied in the documentation:i didnt notice any options on this...do i make one?(if yes where?) otherwise what could be wrong? [05:44] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03705.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:44] its the user's homedir, iirc [05:44] or the current directory, or something [05:44] current directory i think [05:51] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:55] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.215) joined ##slackware. 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[06:10] english please [06:11] ops.. sorry [06:11] SpyK01 (n=fafriyv@201-26-254-224.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("[CyberScript]"). [06:11] :D [06:15] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!" [06:15] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@adsl-75-50-44-62.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:19] we should learn spanish or italian. [06:19] english, bah. [06:21] Kerio2004 (n=Port@78.93.64.221) left irc: [06:21] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:22] spanish?! [06:22] italian?! [06:22] C'mon, thats *Portuguese* !! [06:23] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-142-150.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [06:25] oh! i'm sorry then. [06:25] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Kerio2004 (n=Port@78.93.77.139) joined ##slackware. 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[06:57] i don't have the time right now to attempt it [06:58] i have a http server that has both trees, and pxe/tftp setup [06:58] i dont use install media anymore [06:58] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [06:58] i do simply because you may need it some day, but oh well. [07:07] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [07:07] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [07:07] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.134.59) joined ##slackware. [07:08] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:10] kama (n=kama@87.19.132.147) joined ##slackware. [07:10] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [07:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. 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[07:29] congrats [07:29] nice [07:29] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-690843e9d66cad91) joined ##slackware. [07:30] okay next is actually getting some decent reception to the machine [07:31] only gets about 65% signal strength. [07:31] squosl (n=squosl@c-76-22-21-81.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richar [07:32] i dont want to rush into getting the remote working, that will be a headache [07:32] spook: are you using tvtime ? [07:32] mythtv [07:33] goo1 (n=goo@cust-214-71.on2.ontelecoms.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:36] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:24] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:27] arny: 250-slackware.freenode [08:27] arny: 250-PIPELINING [08:27] arny: 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN [08:27] acknowledged [08:27] arny: 250 DSN [08:31] morgoth_bauglir (n=morgoth_@59.94.189.247) joined ##slackware. [08:39] is thunderbird awfully slow, or is it just me? [08:39] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:39] imap is like death in tb. [08:39] What application is better? [08:40] huh? [08:40] i've asked if tb is slow, that's all. [08:40] what do i know? it can be imap server. [08:41] I ment the imap-thing, it was looking like a statement. [08:42] i'm not following you, sorry :( [08:42] 13:43:22 < stybla> imap is like death in tb. [08:43] So I was wondering if you knew any more optimal program to handle IMAP. I might have misunderstood you and so on. [08:43] tb - in thunderbird. i'm wondering, if it's tb or our imap. [08:43] oh, no. [08:44] rworkman: reformats for their phone? [08:44] i've never had reason to look for any other apps, until now. because i'm getting bored of wainting for - what, actually? [08:44] rworkman: would need a bit more information than that... it wasn't written with mobile apps in mind hehe [08:45] kjell: so, i somewhat asked if it's tb's normal behaviour - being slow. [08:45] v4nelle (n=van@adsl87-238.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:46] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [08:46] stybla, have you tried in another app? [08:46] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.6) joined ##slackware. [08:46] like mutt for example [08:47] morgoth_bauglir (n=morgoth_@59.94.189.247) left ##slackware. [08:47] morgoth_bauglir (n=morgoth_@59.94.189.247) joined ##slackware. [08:47] stybla: I don't think my thunderbird is that slow actually. [08:47] dive: not yet. btw i'd like to have some x app for handling my mail, thank you ;) [08:47] stybla: But I have only been running thunderbird, never tried others. [08:48] Ah, mutt. Was thinking about trying that one. [08:48] kjell: it takes ages to load directory or copy mail somewhere, etc. [08:48] Is it easy to handle multiple accounts in mutt? [08:49] xsamurai (n=Mr_Robot@125.161.132.119) joined ##slackware. [08:49] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [08:49] kjell, you mean multiple imap accounts? [08:49] dive: yes [08:49] no idea to be honest [08:50] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [08:50] I only have one [08:50] hehe okay, I have three. [08:50] four* [08:50] let me have a look in my rc [08:50] dive: Thanks! [08:50] kjell: you can separate each account into different mbox files [08:51] its easiest to use different local users for each account, though, depending on how you retrieve mail [08:51] yeah I think with folder_hooks [08:51] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92878.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:52] with a folder-hook set imap_user=blabla etc [08:52] ought to work [08:52] foldingstock: So I need to logout and in to another account for all my four IMAP-accounts? :D [08:52] dive: will try it out when I come home [08:52] no just use folder-hook [08:53] folder-hook blueyonder set imap_user="fred" [08:53] folder-hook blueyonder set imap_pass="fredspass" [08:53] not that I ever use imap now [08:54] much easier to use fetchmail and just download everything I find [08:54] fetchmail will handle imap [08:54] kjell: when I did it that way I would just "su - user" [08:54] easier then logging in/out [08:55] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:55] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [08:55] o0 [08:55] why are you checking another user's email? [08:57] Action: muraii[]work uses getmail to serve a local IMAP with mail from three different accounts. [08:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [09:00] foldingstock, are you saying that you created different user accounts to handle different email accounts? [09:03] at one point in time :) [09:03] you didn't think of using -F to specify a different muttrc? [09:04] for what I was doing, different accounts were easier [09:05] ... [09:06] more than one way to do something :) [09:07] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:08] more than one way to rape a young girl, as the saying goes [09:08] you're creepy [09:08] I don't know that saying [09:08] yeah, you can always burn the house down to light your cicgar. [09:08] don't want to either [09:09] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [09:09] thats exactly my point [09:09] sometimes the best way to do something is not to do it [09:09] or even think of doing it [09:09] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [09:09] depends on how old she is I suppose [09:10] how? [09:10] ....... [09:10] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92878.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [09:10] "sometimes the best way to do something is not to do it" <-- Tell my Dr that [09:10] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:10] if she's old enough then it won't be rape? [09:10] whatever helps you sleep at night [09:10] /topic? [09:11] dive: just wanted to stir you all up a little [09:11] ic [09:11] Old_Fogie, #rapeware? [09:11] doesnt rape mean no consent? not underage [09:12] stop rape, say yes. cover her mouth/cover your ears, if you cant hear her say no its not rape [09:12] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [09:12] isn't #rapeware symlinked to #windows? [09:12] it should be [09:12] tank-man: statutory rape is with someone below consenting age [09:12] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.221) left irc: "bbl" [09:12] i think everyone is quiting cause of the topic of convosation [09:13] Action: spook doesnt see quits anymore [09:14] tank-man: rape carries a lesser charge then stat. rape, but both are pretty severe [09:16] lesser charge? wtf? [09:18] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:21] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:21] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:22] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03A43.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Excess Flood [09:23] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:26] spook: It's a QED thing. [09:26] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. 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[10:00] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Client Quit [10:00] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:00] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:00] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-142-150.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [10:01] Right. [10:02] Does anyone have experience using an alternate WM in a DE like Xfce? Do you notice much of a performance difference? [10:03] muraii[]work: nope no performance difference [10:03] xfce is fast enough for me [10:04] josemanuel (n=josemanu@34.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:06] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.120) joined ##slackware. [10:07] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] Danke. I had heard there was maybe a little more performance difference between Metacity and OpenBox, in Gnome, but (a) haven't used Gnome in years and (b) didn't care to test it. [10:11] xfdesktop is pretty lean as it is [10:11] Hi. Can you suggest me nice web-community with slackware/linux users? [10:11] linuxquestions.org [10:11] There's a Slackware-specific forum. [10:11] with news ect [10:12] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:12] van_ (n=van@adsl47-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:12] muraii[]work, thanks [10:12] For Slackware news, you may want to just subscribe to one or more of the Slackware mailing lists. There's not much other news to be had. [10:12] Starchaser: Bitte. [10:13] v4nelle (n=van@adsl43-137.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:13] linuxquestions.org is the best resource imho [10:13] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] alienBOB: Agreed. [10:14] the changelog is the primary source of news [10:14] Does the changelog have an RSS/Atom feed? +) [10:17] http://dev.slackware.it/rss/snap_slackware-current.xml :) [10:18] alienBOB: how do you couple LQ to news? [10:18] thrice`: Subscribed. Er, G Dawg. [10:21] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [10:23] macavity: I was responding to Starchaser [10:24] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:25] ah, ok :-) [10:25] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:25] i went "wut?!? is there some news feature part of LQ that i missed for all thease years?" [10:28] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:29] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejm175.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:31] http://castano.ludicon.com/blog/2009/01/10/10-fun-things-to-do-with-tessellation/ [10:31] not to start a nix war or anything. just curious. is a source based distro like gentoo much faster than slackware? [10:32] no like .000001% [10:32] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:32] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [10:32] thats what i thought. honestly after a while. updating pidgin for 30 minutes i never could see a difference. after a while it seemed to get slower haha. [10:33] overall gentoo's slower because the CPU is busy compiling all the time :) [10:33] heh [10:33] RaNdY (n=x@unaffiliated/randy) left irc: [10:34] but seriously. i hate compiling every freaking thing. seriously. [10:34] *sigh* .. cant wait for valve to release the steam nix client [10:34] also if you use all the -O6 -funroll-loops -fmake-it-go-fastz-lol switches... the developers of the original sources probably never tested their stuff with "extreme optimization" turned on [10:34] Like that'll ever happen [10:35] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:35] placebonation: you'll be waiting a while..like..forever [10:35] can lead to weirdness that's almost impossible to fix [10:36] straterra: i agree [10:36] hm. Is there a steam client for the mac? [10:36] There is no reason for Valve to release a Linux client [10:36] Or for Mac..or for any platform BUT Windows [10:37] sure there are reasons, just not reasons they care about [10:37] It'd cost them more money than itd be worth [10:37] (which comes to the same thing I guess) [10:37] ttyX (n=slacker@210.211.160.26) joined ##slackware. [10:37] The steam Windows client shows signs of upcoming linux support _ I read in an article some months ago [10:37] Considering I'd say about..97% of their store are Windows only games [10:37] steam has mentioned this year they are working on the client. [10:37] alienBOB: Lies [10:37] how long is each slackware release supported? [10:37] Maybe official support in WINE [10:37] macavity: Seen previews of the Wolverine game? The cut scenes at least look wonderful. [10:38] ttyX: a looong time. AFAIK, there are still patches coming out for slackware 8.0 [10:38] L4D has nix binaries. and not for the server. [10:38] uh.. [10:38] I thought they were dropping support for slackware 11.0 [10:38] v4nelle (n=van@adsl43-137.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:38] muraii[]work: ya but i want to see the actually game [10:38] placebonation: proof please? [10:38] placebonation: Right on. [10:39] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=steam_confirmation&num=1 [10:39] From what I can tell.. that has to do with steam.. [10:40] Uhm..Read that [10:40] isnt cedega wine underneath? [10:40] It doesn't say there are L4D Linux binaries..it says that L4D is shipping with linux libraries [10:40] For steam [10:41] Also, seeing as the game is written using the source engine..which ONLY uses DX9.. [10:41] what about those dx10 benchmarks then? [10:41] L4D isn't Dx10 [10:42] It uses the Source engine..the source engine is DX 9 [10:42] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Connection reset by peer [10:42] Action: Zordrak misses discussions about slackware :) [10:42] Unless Valve plans on somehow bringing full native DX9 support to Linux, there is going to have to be a wine layer [10:43] ut2004 had a linux installer [10:43] dunno bout ut3 though [10:43] And ut2k4 used OpenGL [10:43] UT has used OpenGL for years [10:43] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [10:43] That's why there are Mac, Windows and Linux binaries [10:44] so all mac games are also opengl right? [10:44] No [10:45] then [10:45] EA likes to ship Mac games using cider [10:45] which is the Mac version of cedega [10:45] Spore..the need for speeds..they all use cider [10:45] ok so cedega isnt only wine [10:45] its something extra [10:45] cedega is a modified version of wine [10:46] with some proprietory stuff [10:46] cedega is basically a commercial packaging of wine with support [10:46] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "See you later..." [10:46] hence the wine people changed the license [10:47] I heard wine was getting funds from google [10:47] back. yummy back and egg sandwiches [10:47] funds from google? [10:47] cedega is evil [10:47] cedega isn't evil [10:47] as evil as any propietary software pacakge... they are all equally evil [10:48] however, Gallium3D might make wine somewhat redundant [10:48] at least for gaming [10:48] never heards of it. looking [10:48] heard* [10:48] ttyX: where do you get the information the support for Slackware 11 would be dropped - Pat still releases patches for as far back as Slackware 8 ?? [10:49] alienBOB: It was a mistake [10:49] it was Slamd64 :p [10:49] oh, Gallium3D is the light that shines brightly and give us hope for a better tomorrow [10:50] With a release date of the day after the end of the world :P [10:50] just a shame that the information pages at mesa/tungsten are heavilty outdated [10:51] straterra: so, duke nukem forever will run on it? [10:51] straterra: i am tracking their master git branch.. and these guys are churning out some pathces, i tell ya [10:51] wahcordian|Work (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] you speak highly of intel, while they probably have the worst support available currently :> [10:52] well, for gl stuff anyway [10:53] I been looking at ion-based systems lately instead of the intel-based systems since it seems like nvidia is trying to beat intel in good video support now [10:53] intel is paying Tungsten to make Gallium3D drivers :-) [10:53] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:53] is gallium replacing gem ? [10:53] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/log/?h=gallium-0.2&qt=author&q= and http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/log/?qt=author&q=&h=gallium-mesa-7.4 [10:53] hola! [10:53] i dont think so [10:54] gem isn't even released yet, is it ? [10:54] yes, its in .28 [10:54] im running it now [10:54] nothing fancey [10:54] but the stable mesa uses ttm still, right ? [10:54] *fancy [10:54] mesa-7.2 does yes [10:54] right - 7.3 is devel :> [10:54] ttyX: _never_ mistake slamd64 for Slackware... [10:55] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [10:55] noted alienBOB [10:55] thrice`: it is not bleeding edge for sure [10:56] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.95.196.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [10:58] oh snap http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=blood_frontier&num=1 [10:59] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:00] thats pretty old news :P [11:02] heh no for me. [11:03] anyone knows a text viewer for torrents? [11:03] just to see what files are there [11:03] and other basic info [11:04] Nick change: mohaa -> mohaa|pala [11:05] errordeveloper: yes, and in a minute I'll remember what it's called (not used in forever) [11:06] kilasmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] eh, or maybe I won't. [11:07] Urchlay: torrentinfo ..someone said [11:08] anyone here familiar with amarok 1.4? [11:08] Nick change: Bugz____ -> Bugz_ [11:09] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [11:09] kilasmurf: i am [11:10] errordeveloper: yeah, that was it. IIRC it worked pretty well. [11:10] afk [11:10] excellent... my amarok will not display the artist wikipedia page at all. rather it will just show the available langs [11:10] nooooooooooo [11:11] http://vrai.net/project.php?project=torrentinfo <--- looks like the actual homepage [11:11] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92878.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:12] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-690843e9d66cad91) left irc: "booo!" [11:13] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [11:14] kilasmurf: Can't help specifically, but which version of 1.4.x are you on? Maybe upgrade? [11:14] Action: muraii[]work is on 1.4.10. [11:14] Urchlay: thanx a lot [11:14] ;)) [11:14] lovely! it has colours as well !!! [11:16] j0z (n=UNIX@189-30-164-162.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:16] i believe thats the version i have [11:17] that shouldnt have anything to do with it though. (i dont think) [11:17] amarok 2 looks...cumbersome. [11:17] its terrible [11:17] i hated it. absolutely hated it [11:17] kilasmurf: Thought maybe it was a bug fixed in a more recent 1.4.x version. [11:18] 2 is so... bulky. the media player for blind people [11:18] Action: fred waves around jerboa [11:18] that and they removed over half the options [11:18] Just looking at the screenshots makes me want to dump. [11:19] personally, i dont think its finished [11:19] The lyrics integration is kinda cool, though. [11:19] Action: mbhayes will use jerboa when a) 4.2 packs for Slamd64 are released and b) jerboa packages are pushed to /extra or /testing :P [11:19] some things are cooh. but a removal of options is never appreciated. not by me [11:19] mbhayes: wah wah wah [11:20] heh [11:21] kilasmurf: I don't mind removal of options in favor of better functionality overall. I don't need an ashtray in my car, for instance. But...not this. [11:21] understood [11:22] ttyX (n=slacker@210.211.160.26) left irc: "leaving" [11:22] why not? [11:22] everyone should smoke [11:23] Action: ImmutableDark stands next to joe cammel [11:23] Action: ImmutableDark lights up [11:23] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:23] agentc0re: ping [11:24] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [11:25] ive never even tried smoking [11:25] dont make enough money to smoke :P [11:25] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:28] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] what version of amarok shipped with 12.2? [11:28] 1.4.9?? [11:29] observer that many kde apps are currently in a state of mess [11:29] nm, its 10 [11:29] kde is trying to do too much [11:30] kde has taken over .... mah brain! [11:30] KDE4 is an enourmus potential... we just have to be patient and give the devs room/time to take advantage of that [11:30] kilasmurf: i disagree on that [11:30] as long as i get my essential kde apps. im plenty good [11:30] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:31] 'essential kde apps' are already supposedly working in kde3 [11:31] kde4, I mean [11:31] Ficthe: kdevelop isn't yet, last I checked [11:31] indeed [11:32] kilasmurf: instead of chacing tail light with MacOS and Windows, KDE is actually trying to set the standard.. nopumuk, solid and phonon are good exambles of this [11:32] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [11:32] ok. ill agree with that [11:32] but being the foregoer also means making some mistakes [11:32] and so far the KDE guys have been eager listeners [11:33] k3b,klipper,amarok...i think are all i use from kde though [11:33] pfft time getting someone who says indeed to agree with you is time wasted [11:33] that is, all my grapes with 4.0 have been resolved in 4.2 [11:33] now it just a matter of getting used to... i have a lot of time invested in learning 2.x/3.x (which are pretty similar in the UI respect) [11:34] How heavy compared to 3 is 4? [11:34] Experience-, usage-wise... [11:34] KDE4 seems snappier to me [11:35] i still have to get used to the whole plasmoid thingie [11:35] but the pastebin plasmoid is usefull :-) [11:35] The little applets/widgets, right? [11:35] the apps that can doc in the desktop [11:36] I say "little" in qualitative terms. [11:36] Okay. [11:36] macavity: how is kde4 dual-monitor support now? [11:36] I tried it with kde-4.1 and it was awful [11:36] http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.2/guide.php [11:37] foldingstock: i dont know.. i only have a laptop [11:37] ok [11:37] xinerama support is "ok" [11:37] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:37] but I prefer to have two seperate screens (its faster then xinerama's "stretched screen") [11:38] indeed [11:39] heh [11:40] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [11:41] kilasmurf: i agree, kde4 seems slightly bloated in the "i wanna introduce everything all at once" sense [11:41] mmmhm [11:41] Kerio2004 (n=Port@78.93.77.139) left irc: [11:41] they should give it a different name [11:42] you mean other from kde? [11:42] ya [11:42] why? [11:42] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [11:42] cause its almost nothing like 3 [11:43] 1.x was nothing like 2.x [11:43] eh, you can see similarities. but the change is like 'whoa!' [11:43] 2.x and 3.x was somewhat similar on the surface, but saw a much better system underneath [11:43] it is like woah [11:43] krunner is cool though [11:44] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [11:44] like a big ass that gets bigger [11:44] 4.x takes that idea to the extreme.. everything is now fully platform independent [11:44] it is probably the cleanest GUI API out there [11:45] Action: lw0x15 pokes macavity [11:45] how many other places do you get webcam support in your app with just 3 lines of code? [11:45] macavity: you know that 3.x was a continuation of 2.x, right? [11:45] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:45] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [11:45] thrice`: it broke a lot of unclean APIs [11:45] thrice`: i remember lots of devs bitching like hell at the time :P [11:45] 3.0 could have just as easily been named 2.(n+1) [11:46] if you dont mind API breakage within a minor release, then yes [11:46] StealthAsimov (n=andy@194.47.187.36) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] .. however, that is considerd universially stupid by many people [11:46] Action: rworkman raises his hand. [11:46] oh, I didn't realize that. aaron seigo just mentioned it in an interview [11:47] helo rworkman :-) [11:47] :) [11:47] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the channel [11:47] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.215) left irc: [11:47] greets [11:47] thrice`: also there was a lot of speedups.. for me 3.0 was a lot faster on the same hardware than 2.2 [11:48] the ol' dawg is in town :P [11:48] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [11:48] bow wow m$ther f... :D [11:49] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.120) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:49] Old_Fogie: wotchers :) [11:50] :D:D [11:50] lol [11:51] Action: Old_Fogie sends all all points bullettin..."look at the size of this spider on my desk this tarantula looking thing WTH!" [11:51] i had a massive spider on my wall.. [11:51] i think i bought it over from spaibn [11:51] spain* :-/ [11:52] lw0x15: its bite causes problems with spelling [11:52] man I just hit him 3x with a coaster and #4 is what did his butt in [11:52] http://i40.tinypic.com/2gsqrd4.jpg [11:52] Showed him I did! There's only room for one round and hairy creature in this house. [11:52] fluffly legs are scary [11:53] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) joined ##slackware. [11:54] xkenjix (i=xkenjix@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG) joined ##slackware. [11:55] where can i find out information about the dhcpd.lease file not being rewritten? [11:56] lw0x15: i hope you killed that motherfscker! [11:57] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03A43.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:57] Action: macavity is mildly araknofobic [11:58] lw0x15, did you taxidermy that sucker after that? [11:58] xkenjix (i=xkenjix@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG) left irc: Client Quit [11:58] ta-what? [11:58] Spiders rock. [11:58] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: "01001110 01100101 01110010 01100100 00100001" [11:58] macavity, you know, get him "stuffed" [11:58] ah [11:58] ...despite my abhoring the use of "rock" in that manner. [11:58] yea, something like that, that's a trophy for sure [11:59] muraii[]work, nope, I'm not into spiders here. [11:59] We got some lady bugs in the house, and I just cannot get rid of them. [11:59] Old_Fogie: heres a laugh: http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2009/02/latest-changes.html [11:59] Old_Fogie: look for the comment by me :P [11:59] Every time I think I got the last one, another shows up [12:00] lady bugs? screw em :P [12:01] "pun not intended" :) [12:01] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:01] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [12:02] Anyone tried/succeeded getting Boxee set up on Slackware? [12:02] It looked gnarly, but I wouldn't mind being able to gather all those disparate video sources together in a nice UI. [12:03] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-8bf1b4ef87e3de8b) joined ##slackware. [12:03] macavity, just read it here. let's hope :) [12:03] funny post tho [12:03] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:03] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: No route to host [12:04] if you read Zack's other entries (this one was rather dull for his standard) you will see that it fits right into his style :P [12:04] ah I see [12:05] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] macavity, I agree tho (and phoronix has the graphs to prove it) the intel driver is going down hill for me here, (and gtk is getting much worse as well, phoronix has them graphs too) [12:07] link to downhil graph kkthxbai? [12:07] oh man , dont make me diggeth :( [12:07] ok slow pc, but i give her a whirl [12:08] consider it a community efford to get first class support for Intel chips [12:08] yours are not in the 8xx line, right? [12:08] macavity, well this will start you off http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_904_intel&num=1 [12:08] macavity, also look at first link in article. [12:08] roger roger [12:08] macavity, in essence, they tested intel across versions of fedora, and ubunut and both are regressing. [12:09] macavity, now, some may say well fedora, ubunut stink see... but I think I 'feel' it on Slack too fwiw, we aren't that diff than them in this regards imo. [12:09] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.142) joined ##slackware. [12:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:12] i highly doubt that neither fedora nor ubuntu are stupid enough to apply custom patches to the graphics chain that will cause this much of a performance loss [12:12] and my own experiments supports this [12:12] macavity, I'm trying to find the gtp regressions one. they did benchmarks across distros as well for that, and also benchmarks for ati/nv/intel as well (freee and open) and it's *stunning* [12:12] ive been doing regular checkouts and xorg/mesa/drm/intel builds... it is moving towards infinite suckage [12:13] s/gtp/gtk [12:13] nbuonanno (i=nbuonann@you.dontlike.us) joined ##slackware. [12:13] macavity, tell me about it, I got 2 boxes now default lilo to windows [12:14] macavity, that sites pretty good tho, they got some good articles. Just dont buy into all their hype when the announce new things, they tend to "oversell" some things [12:15] Megabyte (i=x@201.78.248.71) left irc: "Fui embora" [12:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:17] yes, i read phoronix regularly [12:17] i had just overlooked that one.. probably because it had Ubuntu in its name [12:17] im mostly interested in mesa and xorg [12:18] sounds like a singles advert ... "SWM mostly interested in mesa and xorg, and long romantic walks on the beach" [12:19] nbuonanno (i=nbuonann@you.dontlike.us) left ##slackware. [12:19] :) [12:19] lol [12:20] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [12:21] Nick change: Lalloso -> LallosoAway [12:21] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:21] LallosoAway kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [12:22] village (i=village@kudu.in-berlin.de) joined ##slackware. [12:22] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [12:24] bb [12:24] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [12:24] how can I get a list of packages -a) installed -b) available on an installed slackware system - by command line tools (not with menus)? Maybe there's a file containing this list. (sorry if my question looks stupid) [12:24] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:25] village: slackpkg [12:25] village, ls /var/log/packages/ [12:25] for a [12:25] b sounds like a [12:25] a+b=c [12:26] if b sounds like a, then a+b=2a [12:26] .: c=2a [12:26] winnar [12:26] :) [12:27] dive: thx. macavity: slackpkg is not available on the 12.0 or 12.1 system I got to learn to manage [12:27] yes it is [12:27] village: look in /extra [12:27] in /extra [12:27] gbowden (n=gbowden@114.Red-83-38-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-8bf1b4ef87e3de8b) left irc: "home" [12:30] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [12:32] and there is always slackpkg.org [12:32] dive, Urchlay: /extra is a slackware "section"? Is there something like a list of available packages on the system running slackware? [12:33] village, /extra means the /extra directory on install disc [12:33] or on any official slackware mirror. [12:33] yepp [12:34] what about slacker (it is already installed on that server I got) - do you think it's useful? [12:34] to find a list of packages you might want to browse one of the mirrors and look in filelists [12:34] "slacker"? [12:34] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:34] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] never heard of it [12:35] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [12:35] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: Client Quit [12:36] ah, it seems to be an old slackware 8.1 package from extra, the README dates from 2003. [12:36] I'm going to say that it's not useful then. [12:36] but it is installed on /usr/sbin/local [12:36] uhm... [12:37] ok. I won't care too much for it except for packages which actually have been installed by slacker [12:37] slackware 8.1 doesn't include slacker. you can't match $DATE of $DOCUMENT to $VERSION. [12:38] besides, I don't know of *any* slackware packages that install to /usr/sbin/local (or /usr/local/sbin) [12:38] xsamurai1 (n=Mr_Robot@125.161.172.172) joined ##slackware. [12:39] the README mentions something like ftp://ftp@ftp.slackware.at/slackware-8.1/extra [12:39] so it seemed to be meant to handle official slackware packages [12:39] .at [12:39] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [12:39] is that offical? [12:39] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-8.1/extra/ <-- doesn't show slacker. EOS. [12:40] neither does: that link. [12:40] village: care to pastebin that README? [12:41] hmm nice: http://www.kimsgrfx.com/pics/TRON3.png [12:41] gbowden (n=gbowden@114.Red-83-38-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:42] BP{k}: its been used 3 or 4 weeks ago, according to file data in its cache [12:42] hmm RIAA and BSA seems to have taken over the dept of justice [12:42] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) joined ##slackware. [12:43] \0/ new neverball is out /me tries to build it [12:43] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.14.99.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:43] Action: kitche never liked neverball since he does not understand it [12:44] Action: Old_Fogie throws some snow over to kitche's neighborhood :) [12:44] xsamurai1 (n=Mr_Robot@125.161.172.172) left irc: "Leaving." [12:45] we have snow here heck I just walked on about a foot of snow without falling into it [12:45] save bob [12:45] kitche: we'll here's a few more Ft :D [12:45] kitche: rain coming tho... this is gonna be bad [12:45] I m waiting for the 40 degree weather clean out the driveway of all the ice [12:46] yea same here, I just hope it comes s-l-o-w-l-y (we have 5' on the yard) [12:47] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:47] giuppy (n=giuppy@host189-162-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:48] giuppy (n=giuppy@host36-171-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:48] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:48] hmmm DC CTO seems to be Obama's CTO [12:48] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:50] hm. http://www.inreto.de/slacker/ <--- that's it? [12:50] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] Looks to be last updated in 2006. [12:51] Similar to my pkgscripts in some ways. [12:51] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.95.196.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:51] Action: kitche goes try kde4 for windows [12:51] Urchlay: no, that seems to be another slacker. [12:51] hmm gotta love the examples ... [12:51] Old_Fogie: quote from Zack: "I said it before and I'll say it again, what an avarage KDE developer, two llamas, one hamster and five chickens do in a privacy of their own home is none of your business." [12:51] Remove all packages from games diskset (y/) [12:51] # slacker -I xmms/ [12:51] ^^^ FAIL:! [12:52] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4DBB7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] i use centos, but it's problem [12:52] xsamurai (n=Mr_Robot@125.161.132.119) left irc: Connection timed out [12:52] can anyone help me? [12:52] vncsnvs: which channel are you in? [12:52] BP{k}: the formatting is weird, I think "# slacker --remove s:y/" is supposed to match the text [12:52] vncsnvs: yes..anyone can help you [12:52] #slackware and centos [12:53] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [12:53] If its centos..ask in the centos chan [12:53] save bob dobbs [12:53] then direct your centos quesiton to #centos. not ##slackware. [12:53] lol [12:53] hi [12:53] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.14.99.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:53] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.14.99.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Action: kilasmurf sounds the clown horn :P [12:53] vncsnvs: #centos [12:54] i love slackware but i use windows [12:54] Then #windows [12:54] and i like bob too [12:54] sure. keep windows around... ONLY to play games [12:54] hmm amarok 2 fails on window [12:54] outside of that... pee on it [12:55] yeah but bob knows what you did with hisd sister .. so he's rightly pissed off. [12:55] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [12:56] bob loves me [12:56] vncsnvs: just outta curiosity, what brought you to use slackware in the first place? [12:56] kilasmurf: He's in Brazil. It's very popular there. [12:56] wow, i had no idea [12:57] kilasmurf: to troll [12:57] hehe [12:57] That also. [12:58] please bob help me [12:58] anyone can help me? [12:58] http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=18464&start=0#forumpost67427 [12:58] vncsnvs: just..leave [12:58] vncsnvs: get centos support in #centos [12:59] i say, if you would rather use windows over *nix. then grab up a copy of ubuntu if you wanna learn a liddew bit of linux... im sure it comes with all the bells, whistles, rainbos n lolipops you could ever choke on :D [12:59] Old_Fogie: http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/12/constant-state-objects.html <- it looks like our oldish 915/945 hardware IS going to get a better driver [13:00] macavity: of course since nvidia is starting to push intel to make better drivers [13:00] xsamurai (n=Mr_Robot@125.161.172.172) joined ##slackware. [13:01] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.14.99.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [13:01] \O/ [13:01] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.14.99.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:01] ... [13:01] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [13:03] kitche: if this whole vertex-shader-code-optimized-and-compiled-on-the-fly thing with LLVM/Gallium3D takes off i suspect that we are going to see a lot of exciting news with the Free ATI drivers too [13:03] macavity: just read it, have the fingers and toes-ies crossed [13:04] kitche: but putting intel and nvidia in the same sentence is, uhm.. at best a little funny, at least when it comes to graphics [13:04] Old_Fogie: http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html [13:04] Action: Old_Fogie reads straterra's posts there and chuckles :) [13:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [13:04] Old_Fogie: which posts? [13:05] here. the \0/ for leave and teh "..." for join :) [13:05] Old_Fogie: the top two ones are teh sh*t [13:05] save bob dobbs [13:05] baldguy (n=m1d@host86-134-207-19.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:05] bob is deity [13:05] macavity: it's about more then graphics is why intel is gettin Galliun3d written mainly their atom systems chipsets are sucking so much that is why Gallium3d is being worked on heavily [13:05] vncsnvs: you must never forget the halo.. it is "Bob" [13:05] boB [13:06] kitche: that does sound plausible [13:06] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [13:07] Action: kitche goes back to SANS webeniar [13:07] bob don't mind [13:07] kitche: i do, somehow, also think that VMware has an interest in this.. if i read things right, the state-tracker might make it possible to do proper 3D acceleration in VMs [13:07] belive me [13:07] kitche: VMware bought up Tungsten Graphics a while ago [13:11] hi. i have slack 12.2 and rt2860 wireless. trying to connect to wpa/wpa2 network. edited rc.inet1.conf "iwpriv". when i load linux, this is what dmesg shows http://pastebin.com/d17112298 [13:12] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [13:13] alch (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:13] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-03083c5d355676a8) left irc: [13:14] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.14.99.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] any suggestions? [13:17] baldguy: yeah, unedit rc.inet1.conf and try out wicd. [13:18] rworkman: tryed, doesn't work aswell...this way at least i get some info [13:19] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-894a986c62854527) joined ##slackware. [13:20] Where can i get a working QSynaptics package for slackware ? [13:22] XDS2010: try slackfind.net [13:23] ty baldguy :) [13:23] np ;) [13:23] nope nothing [13:23] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [13:23] rworkman: wicd supercedes wpa_supplicant in 12.2, or is that different functionality? [13:24] oh well :-/ [13:24] baldguy: define "doesn't work as well" please [13:24] muraii[]work: wicd uses wpa_supplicant [13:24] muraii[]work: but can use other implementations aswell [13:25] <3 wicd [13:25] rworkman: Okay, but wraps it a little rather than requiring direct wpa_supplicant config? [13:25] baldguy: possibly the version in 12.2's /extra has a bug that you're hitting. See http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ for the latest stable release of wicd. [13:25] rworkman: i click connect, tryes to connect for some time and then stops [13:25] muraii[]work: correct, basically. Wicd creates a wpa_supp config for each interface. [13:25] baldguy: rworkman does some dev work on wicd. He'd be the most likely guy to be able to fix your problem (and I remember it well.) [13:26] rworkman: i've dwnld the new one 2.6.8 [13:26] baldguy: 1.5.8 you mean? [13:26] rworkman: srry, 1.5.8 [13:26] :) [13:26] :) [13:27] baldguy: okay, and it doesn't work any better? [13:28] rworkman: nope, is there a way to get some _detailed_ output on what's happening while it's connecting? [13:29] baldguy: there's a "debug" option somewhere in the prefs menu, and then there's /var/log/wicd/wicd.log [13:29] If you're feeling brave, http://slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd/ has a pre-beta of what will be 1.6.0 at some point. [13:30] Oooh... r279... [13:30] Action: jkwood grabs [13:30] jkwood: that better be 282 [13:30] crap, hang on, both of you [13:31] Try again. I synced to the wrong directory. [13:31] ...probably on a Vista machine. [13:31] +) [13:31] ha [13:32] They're called "folders," duh. [13:32] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [13:32] seejay (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) joined ##slackware. [13:32] I like how people who don't use Windows are anal retentive about using "directory" instead of "folders"..but still use the term "files' [13:32] hey does anyone know of any terminal media players? [13:33] terminal media player? [13:33] Nick change: seejay -> Guest86206 [13:33] besides using play or aplay [13:33] straterra: what else would you call a file? [13:33] I don't know..but file is in the context of folder [13:33] SM177Y, mpeg321 [13:33] rworkman: will try out.. thanks.. one questions though, should I blank out the fields in rc.wireless.conf before using? [13:33] a folder holds...files [13:33] actually I always thought a paper file *was* a folder [13:33] straterra: like a "command line" version of a media player [13:33] baldguy: if you want to try to diagnose 1.5.8, file a bug at wicd's place on launchpad. You might consider trying the 1.6.0 (r282) first, but be aware that the configs are not interchangable, so you'll have to wipe out /etc/wicd before reverting back to 1.5.x [13:33] mocp is good, mpd + ncmpc is nice [13:33] rworkman: I see how you are. ;) [13:33] baldguy: chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless should take care of it [13:33] SM177Y: mplayer, mpg321 are both CLI. [13:33] like the boss says to the secretary "Pull the file on $whatever" and the secretary brings him a folder [13:34] rworkman: even better, cheers [13:34] cool; afk for a while here [13:34] rc.wireless should be removed! [13:36] Hey all, Anyone using VLC or mplayer in slackware 12.2? [13:36] i get the following error: [13:36] mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libdirectfb-1.3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [13:36] No one. [13:36] +) [13:36] Framebuffer library? [13:37] no idea :( Vlc says the same [13:37] i've never got vlc running with slackware :( [13:38] not even with 12.1 [13:38] I don't encounter that error, but I also don't have that lib on my system. [13:38] Guest86206: Did you use alienBOB's SlackBuild? [13:38] kaffiene works fine [13:38] jkwood, no idea I got it from a mirror pointed from vlc site [13:39] it's the italian slackware community site i guess [13:40] the vlc site should be stabbed for having that link. :) [13:40] Naglfar (n=Severanc@30.Red-88-6-110.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Guest86206: That would be a very good reason. [13:40] Guest86206: you need to install another package since it's linked against a lib that slackware does not provide [13:40] slacky.eu has some nice SlackBuilds. I won't use their packages, though. [13:41] hello, I have this problem with hdparm -B: setting Advanced Power Management level to disabled HDIO_DRIVE_CMD failed: Input/output error [13:41] jkwood, thats where i got the mplayer [13:41] oh and vlc too [13:41] baldguy (n=m1d@host86-134-207-19.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:42] wahcordian|Work (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:42] Guest86206: being promiscius with binary packages is what makes ubuntu so horrible.. if you use SlackBuilds it either bombs out, or produce something that actually match your system [13:44] Yeah, in that regard, Slackware's like that hotty next door that doesn't *need* to be a hotty to get attention. Or something. [13:44] Guest86206: http://www.slacky.eu/aadm/pkgs/index.php?ver=3&pkg=852 [13:44] See all those "Dipendenze" ? You'll be needing to install all those as well. [13:45] ubuntu isn't that horrible :| [13:45] Alternatively, (better), install the package from alienBob: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/pkg/12.1/ [13:45] I just thought that was a popular Italian brand of douche. [13:46] thrice`: no.. its just.. well.. ubuntu'ish [13:46] just like slackware is slackware'ish [13:46] yes baby! [13:46] Blasphemy-ish. [13:46] and i luuuub it! [13:46] they're doing something right, as they are very new and probably have the most users [13:47] s/most/most vocal/ [13:47] jkwood, hm... I think i got that dependencies tarball too, but i'll try the alienBob package [13:47] thrice`: well... twenty bilion flies cant be wrong.. right? :P [13:48] exactly :> [13:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.142) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] turd is the holy grail... if you are a fly [13:48] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] anyhow.. time to inhale a big ugly nasty juicy burger [13:49] did you guys know that in this part of Denmark, it is customary to pour a big load of brown gravy over burgers? [13:50] I eat my french fries with brown gravey [13:50] *slurp* [13:50] straterra: thats nice too [13:50] damn [13:50] thats the get-fat-now food [13:50] straterra: you should try it on a big home made burger, with a nice big home fried beaf [13:51] kilasmurf: im skinny, so i can handle it :P [13:51] "kilasmurf> thats the get-fat-now food" <----- When you got a tool like mine you build a shed over it. [13:51] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] same here :D [13:51] you gotta love the ectomorph body type [13:51] Old_Fogie: LMAO!!! [13:51] :) [13:51] it took just a little while to click in :P [13:51] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:51] hahaha [13:52] alch (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [13:52] wow. im actually just now reading that.... [13:52] never heard that logic before. i dig it though :P [13:53] well.. ta-ta [13:53] baiya [13:53] or, in light of our country here turning Socialist "A big belly... tha's one thing I own and one thing they *cannot* take away from me" :) [13:53] guys is there anyway to install a bunch of slackbuilds at once? [13:54] Guest86206: Monkeys. [13:55] hm... i guess installpkg *.tgz worked [13:55] you don't install slackbuilds [13:55] muraii[]work, thanks anyway [13:55] +) [13:55] thrice`, can you explain why? I don't know about it [13:56] slackbuilds are build scripts that create slackware packages [13:56] Guest86206: You can also use pkgtool's ncurses interface, if you want, for multiple installs. [13:56] for i in *; do cd $i; ./*.SlackBuild; installpkg /tmp/$i*.tgz; done [13:57] just make sure you dont have anything else but build dirs in the top dir... [13:57] macavity: "*" creates an index of directories? Nice. [13:57] thrice`, I meant the .tgz files which we can install with installpkg [13:57] macavity, thanks will try that [13:57] you guys should read the ABS guide over at tldp.org [13:58] ah guys! its working :) [13:58] Action: Old_Fogie looks at the watch "it's second lunch time" [13:58] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [13:58] basic shell scripting is an indispensable unix skill... [13:58] VLC is working. I had to install all the dependencies and now it works :) [13:58] no shit sherlock [13:58] macavity: Yes. [13:59] muraii[]work: * expands to everything that doesnt start with a . [13:59] muraii[]work: you could also do "for i in 1 2 3 4;" [14:00] macavity: Right, and so long as "you dont [sic] have anything else but build dirs in the top dir," enumerates directories. [14:00] Right. [14:00] I'm familiar with iteration, just not syntax in bash scripting. [14:00] or, if you really need enumeration, "for i in $(seq 100000); do ....." [14:01] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: "[BX] It's game over, man! game over!" [14:01] unix consists of a thousand small programs, and a common way to bind them together [14:01] kinda like lego for data freaks :P [14:02] anyways.. really afk now [14:02] I miss legos [14:03] That's what she said. [14:03] er...what? [14:03] That..makes no sense [14:04] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:04] That's what she said. [14:05] Actually, the latter isn't far off. [14:06] cat /dev/random >> muraii[]work's terminal ? [14:07] Bingo. [14:07] haha :) [14:07] ...except "That's what she said" isn't quite random. [14:07] cat /dev/inanelyAnnoying >> ... [14:07] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-112.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] yeah, more like some cliche dictionary [14:07] haha [14:07] ...with a single entry. [14:08] Action: muraii[]work is runnin' on fumes. [14:08] Action: rk4n3 runs on caffeine and chinese food [14:09] Action: alisonken1home runs on coffee and pizza [14:09] and thats really all you need :P [14:09] alisonken1home: ah, so we came out of the same factory, just different fuel tanks ;) [14:10] although an occasional hind-end of a specific hoofed quadraped does help :) [14:10] Action: muraii[]work runs on coffee and...there's something else? [14:10] heh [14:10] U-Neeks (i=555@200-193-227-203.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [14:11] rk4n3: :) [14:12] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:12] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:15] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Guest86206 (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) left irc: "Leaving" [14:17] Action: rworkman prefers (re macavity's for loop): for i in * ; do [ -d $i ] && ( cd $i ; . *info && wget $DOWNLOAD ; ./${i}.SlackBuild ) ; done [14:18] seejay (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) joined ##slackware. [14:18] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0B7C3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] rworkman: all this time working on that one-liner? :D [14:18] Nick change: seejay -> Guest69995 [14:18] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Guest69995 (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) left irc: Client Quit [14:19] Kaapa: no, I just looked in :) [14:20] heh [14:20] hi all :) [14:20] seejay_ (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) joined ##slackware. [14:22] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [14:22] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:23] seejay_ (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) left irc: Client Quit [14:23] rworkman: what does -d do on 'do' ? [14:23] seejay (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Nick change: seejay -> Guest37514 [14:24] Guest37514 (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) left irc: Client Quit [14:24] archdave (n=Dave@71-91-222-3.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] seejay_ (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) joined ##slackware. [14:25] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:29] im guessing d stands for directory [14:29] Kerio2004 (n=Port@78.93.77.139) joined ##slackware. [14:29] and sub in f and you get files [14:31] seejay_ (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) left irc: "Leaving" [14:31] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) left irc: "leaving" [14:32] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) joined ##slackware. [14:32] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) left irc: Client Quit [14:33] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) joined ##slackware. [14:33] acidchild, -d $i tests if $i is a directory [14:34] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) left irc: Client Quit [14:34] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:34] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) joined ##slackware. [14:34] hey does anyone know how to fix a dvd-rw that had to be interrupted during the burn process? [14:35] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) left irc: Client Quit [14:35] close the session [14:35] google that [14:35] Action: muraii[]work expects the inevitable "Put a beer on it" responses shortly. [14:36] do you want the fish or howto fish? [14:36] :) [14:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:38] put a fish on it and give me the beer [14:38] Kerio2004 (n=Port@78.93.77.139) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:39] man i just can't do anything with this dvd-rw [14:39] k3b won't let me close session on it or blank it [14:39] i tried forcing dvd+rw-format from command line but it would not let me [14:40] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Spiko (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] what's the easiest way to add a user to the apache group ? [14:42] Kerio2004 (n=Port@78.93.70.34) joined ##slackware. [14:43] edit /etc/group [14:43] wouldn't usermod -G apache do the trick ? [14:44] you asked for the easiest way [14:44] editing /etc/group isn't the recommended way [14:44] having to remember a command is harder than editing a file [14:44] usermod is [14:44] if i go messing with /etc/group then i'd have to dive into /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd etc. [14:45] then, use useradd [14:45] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) left irc: Client Quit [14:45] user already exists [14:45] then you don't have to mess with those files [14:45] then usermod [14:45] it's real easy: usermod -g users -G all,the,groups,you,want,here username [14:46] "-g users" is literal [14:46] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) joined ##slackware. [14:46] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:46] like to add myself to apache i'd have to do usermod -g users -G audio,video,users,wheel,plugdev,power,apache twinreverb [14:47] i got it all now [14:47] thanks [14:47] yw [14:48] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [14:48] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:49] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [14:50] anyone know about phone exchanges? [14:52] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [14:52] eddief2 (n=eddie@68.161.203.224) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Soul_keeper, you might want to look at gpasswd too [14:53] gpasswd -a user group [14:53] a lot more concise than typing a list of groups in [14:54] nice one, thanks [14:55] -a for add -d for delete [14:57] eddief2 (n=eddie@68.161.203.224) left irc: Client Quit [14:58] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] yeah i just wanted to run a daemon that i just wrote which saves to a db as the user , which could be accessed by my a cgi script i wrote which runs as apache. got it all going now :) [15:00] peer- (n=peer@c83-251-133-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] peer- (n=peer@c83-251-133-148.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:02] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0B7C3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [15:03] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) left irc: [15:07] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [15:10] is it normal for k3b to pause at the half way point on a dual layer dvd burn operation for the slamd64 ISO? the drive light is off, k3b has no errors, time elapsed is counting, writing / progress bars are stationary, software and device buffer are at max [15:11] Dual layer for slamd64? [15:11] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:11] the only dvd i had was a dvd+r DL [15:13] is there even a major advantage of running slamd64 over regular slack even if you have a 64bit amd cpu?? [15:13] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Depends on your workload and memory ammount [15:14] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:14] i was going to ask that.... [15:14] in my case im rockin 2 gigs of ram.. as far as my workload.... idk, its my desktop, so i use it for everything [15:14] Quite possibly you'd notice some performance increase [15:15] Action: TwinReverb wonders what he should do now [15:15] if you are running highly optimized code you can see as much as 10% perfomance boost [15:15] i dont know how much better it could get really, i mean i keep my linux lite for the most part [15:15] the problems I've had with dual layer disks... [15:16] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] Nick change: sidmario_ -> sidmario [15:16] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [15:17] p3dro (n=pedro@201-40-162-47.cable.viacabocom.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [15:19] kilasmurf: From what I've heard--and this is beyond 3rd-person--unless you're heavy into large file usage, e.g., 3D rendering, heavy Gimp/graphical work, that sort of thing--you're not going to notice too much difference. [15:20] I realize that's far from technically precise, but still useful. [15:20] indeed. and that kinda makes sense to me [15:22] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [15:24] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:25] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.208) joined ##slackware. [15:27] I use 64-bit on my desktop..and I notice it [15:27] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [15:27] I use 64-bit on desktop, but never tried 32-bit on the same hardware, dunno if I'd notice the difference [15:28] one day I'll have >4G of RAM, not today... [15:28] even with 4gigs.. [15:28] I only have 2 gigs of ram and notice a difference [15:29] General purpose registers ftw! [15:29] yeah [15:29] not sure I'd know how to code assembly with all those registers available, am used to the 6502 :) [15:30] here are some before/after benches on my system comparing slackware 12.1 to slamd 12.1 [15:30] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:31] http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/97288 32-bit [15:31] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:31] http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/97290 64-bit [15:31] Nick change: sidmario_ -> sidmario [15:32] interesting. So integer performance gets a lot better, float not so much [15:32] that's a 10% bump on that particular benchmark suite [15:32] the system only has 512MB of mem tho if that made a difference ... [15:34] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.221) joined ##slackware. [15:34] hola [15:34] hm, a couple of the individual floating point tests actually get worse on 64-bit (tho the overall number is better) [15:37] 14.2% boost on the memory benchmarks apparently [15:38] I like boost [15:38] I want boost on my 4G69 [15:38] zomgtons boost [15:41] hi guys. my friend is having some problems on instaling lilo on machine. disks are sata raid.. are there some issues for sata? [15:41] what raid level? [15:42] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] the one that dobles the speed [15:42] doubles* [15:42] an error message would be nice :) [15:42] oh shit, I'm still in this channel [15:42] wow [15:42] kilasmurf: i know... [15:42] its my friends comp.. [15:43] im not right now on it.. [15:43] Urchlay, on 64 bits, in C, for instance, double shouldn't be used : it gives the same results as a float but it slower than a float afaik [15:43] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [15:45] my god, I've been in this channel since this weekend [15:45] kilasmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:45] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:46] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [15:46] I ssh'd into my server and used irssi from there, and I guess I forgot to close putty :P [15:46] hehe [15:46] Camarade_Tux: hm. I'm used to a double being higher precision than a float... [15:47] but on 64bit they should give the same precision (afaik againà [15:47] a/à/) [15:47] s/a/s [15:47] >< [15:47] Camarade_Tux: that'll be compiler-specific though [15:47] sed FAIL [15:48] straterra, s/$/\/ ;) [15:48] straterra, s/$/\// =D [15:48] hashed_ (n=hashed@24.248.222.212) joined ##slackware. [15:48] j0z_ (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [15:49] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.48.119) joined ##slackware. [15:49] Urchlay, sure, what I wanted to point was that compiling to 64bits code that was made for 32bits could not give a performance boost [15:50] Camarade_Tux, correct and let's not forget 64bit has twice the errors of 32 [15:50] that's why I'm going _all_ 16 bit soon [15:51] lol [15:51] Necos, :) [15:51] i'm working on my boss's wordpress site, tab over in screen and i see that statement... [15:51] just great lol [15:51] haha glad to be of service :) [15:52] indeed, you are of great comical service ^_~ [15:52] just downloaded some themes for wordpress, uploading them with ncftp >.> [15:53] i really wish lunarpages supported scp [15:53] evening guys [15:54] evening nachox [15:55] josemanuel (n=josemanu@34.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:57] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [15:58] anyone happen to know how to hack into an iTunes backup so you can play it on linux? this is my own personal iTunes backup [15:58] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:59] uhm.. [15:59] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [15:59] From music bought from the store? [15:59] You have to unencrypt the music [15:59] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] Otherwise..its just AAC...no "hacking" required [16:00] i dont know that you can do that with itunes, i'd say you cant :P [16:00] my google-fu is weak because i am tired i guess [16:01] burn 'em to cd, rip the cd? [16:01] (burn using itunes I mean) [16:01] time consuming though [16:02] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] I am so happy I never got one of the pods [16:03] If its YOUR library..the music is encrypted using your account [16:03] no hacking required [16:03] Also, there are apps out there to remove the protection [16:03] Action: TwinReverb may have found some [16:04] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [16:05] "cp: cannot stat `icon/*': No such file or directory" <--- new neverball, doesnt build, it's build is somehow screwy, it has misnamed source directory called 'ico' not 'icon' :( [16:06] so fix it :P [16:07] I dont file bugs [16:07] :D [16:07] :( very bad Old_Fogie [16:07] oh to fellow slackers hell yes [16:07] but outside that,nah I dont need the BS [16:07] btw, TwinReverb use vmware with noteburner [16:07] or virtualbox, same shit [16:08] Here stupid stuff like "get a real distro" "slack isn't supported" [16:08] that was the fastest way i found, when a teacher came in asking to do somethin like that in itunes [16:08] Old_Fogie: i've not hit that with proper bug reports [16:09] thrice`, I had that with firefox, hplip could go on but it's boring to you guys [16:09] ? [16:09] I think if you report that the source is mislabeled, they wouldn't blame slackware :) that's me though [16:09] Old_Fogie: i'm gonna go take a piss, and when i come back, i wanna hear that story =p [16:10] yeah, there's a #linuxhelp channel on undernet that's like that. "get a real distro", even "we refuse to help you if you don't install some other distro first" [16:10] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:11] Old_Fogie: I have pretty good experience with the virtualbox guys and liblo. On the other side were firefox and ardour.... [16:11] Well the firefox pissed me off. I filed a bug that FF (and it still don't) work in any of my routers, or hp jet direct print servers, and tehy came back and wacked Slackware in it. So I reminded them "errr. Mr. Developer it's your FF and Sun's java - all official binaires, just repacked" [16:12] I got a "won't fix" :( [16:12] they all kinds of idiots came in hijacked the thread and ranted [16:12] so I said hell with it [16:12] peer-_ (n=peer@c83-251-133-148.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Necos, thanks [16:12] peer- (n=peer@c83-251-133-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [16:13] You're welcome TwinReverb [16:14] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [16:16] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Old_Fogie, have you tested that in windows' firefox with sun's hava? [16:16] yup broken too [16:16] and in say solaris' firefox and sun's java? [16:16] only linux browser that works is opera (but some buttons I cant get too) ; really they only seem to work in IE the best. [16:17] experience tought me not to tell people i use linux when i need them to solve a problem [16:17] solaris is probably still on FF 1.x. skip that :> [16:18] slowlaris [16:18] indiana is using ff 3 [16:18] INDIANA! [16:18] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [16:18] i refuse to call it opensolari 2008.11 [16:18] why [16:18] *opensolaris [16:18] is much longer :P [16:19] I had heard, though not tried, that opensolaris was quite demanding on resources on x86 [16:19] in works perfectly on a regular laptop these days, 2gb of ram, 2 cores [16:20] yeah, still cant get this to work tho, oh well, I'll wait, someone's gotta have a google cache fix for me on this someday soon [16:20] that seems a little excessive, no ? [16:20] why? it's the least you can get from say dell [16:21] yeah, i guess if you are considering brand new hardware as a requirement to run an OS :P [16:21] hmmmm [16:21] what's the name of that app that tweaks gtk stuff to look ok in KDE again? [16:21] kr [16:21] miracle [16:22] lol [16:22] kmiracle [16:23] i guess the whole k- theme is cute to some extent... [16:23] just like the g- one... [16:23] actually, they're both extremely stupid >.> [16:24] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:24] I cant think of the name of it, it goes into KDE's control center, make an applet in themes. [16:25] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:27] Necos: yah, but so is the apple iWhatever. Stupid seems to sell well... [16:27] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] does anyone know what kind of bot slackboy is ? [16:29] You will find out if you do a ctcp version on h*m [16:29] thanks [16:31] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] lol [16:31] i want to buy an iLife [16:31] and then sell it to the iWorld [16:31] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [16:33] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:34] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.134.59) left irc: "Leaving" [16:34] rk4n3: what is the answer? [16:34] i swear, that shit makes me sick >.> [16:35] D-r_Flower: scared to test it out? ^_~ [16:36] au, then i am scaring to be here [16:37] nyao~~ [16:38] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:38] Necos: sorry, i misunderstood u [16:38] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [16:38] what u meaned [16:39] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:39] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [16:39] lol it's ok [16:39] ok what does it mean if i can ssh using ssh localhost but ssh from a remote machine returns nothing and just sits there with no response??? [16:39] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] firewalling issue [16:40] or port redirection if behind nat [16:40] it means your eth* ips aren't responding (ssh is not binding to your non-localhost ips) [16:40] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) joined ##slackware. [16:40] or its hanging on reverse dns lookups.. [16:40] could be a lot [16:41] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:43] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] ssh by default binds to all available IPs [16:43] peer-_ (n=peer@c83-251-133-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:43] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [16:44] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:44] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-61-143.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] well how do i make it work then lol [16:44] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [16:45] on my pc once sshd is running i can ssh into it. seems to not be the case on my other machine [16:46] could it have something to do with hosts.allow or hosts.deny ? [16:46] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011912]" [16:46] nope already looked [16:47] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:47] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] aha! it works, "gtk-qt-engine" , /me wonders why it didnt get bumped to 12.2 in SBo? [16:48] i hate gtk-qt-engine [16:48] what do you use? [16:49] I'm open to suggestions [16:49] ust i dotn like firefox looks like konqueror [16:49] SM177Y: have you checked your router's firewall (if using one), making sure port 22 is open? [16:50] SM177Y : can you even ping that machine from your source? [16:50] im using a non standard port so 22 is irrelevant [16:50] but yes the port i am using is open [16:50] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:51] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [16:51] what happens when you 'telnet ' ? and can you ping ? [16:51] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] I'd try "ssh -v" to see a verbose action log SM177Y [16:53] yes i can ping the host [16:54] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:55] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Client Quit [16:56] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) left ##slackware. [16:57] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-894a986c62854527) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [16:59] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [16:59] baldguy (n=root@host86-134-207-19.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:02] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:02] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:03] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. 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[17:12] hahahaha [17:12] [17:12] weren't you having this conversation yesterday? [17:12] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:12] Indeed [17:12] well, it does support wpa_supplicant [17:12] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Did you compile it for wpa_supplicant support? [17:12] yes [17:13] baldguy: are you using the wext wpa_supplicant driver? [17:13] rworkman: http://pastebin.com/d971b4d9 is for ralink_legacy [17:13] rworkman: doesnt' work with wext either, the log a little different for that [17:14] but the 3945 card should work with the stock kernel driver using wext [17:14] It is not a 3945 card [17:14] all this complicated wireless crap >.> [17:14] ohhh.... I saw hashed_'s line :/ [17:14] Necos: not complicated at all [17:14] Just get a decent card with Linux support [17:15] I.e. _good_ linux support [17:15] well, i had one of my students install ubuntu the other day [17:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:15] and he just used ndiswrapper with the linksys card + windows drivers... worked fine lol [17:15] Action: baldguy thought eee 901, that comes with linux preinstalled would have good linux support [17:15] baldguy: join #wicd and talk with adam7 or dano (neither are around right now though) [17:16] baldguy: also I see "/sbin/dhclient ra0" in the log - why do you not use dhcpcd? The dhclient in Slackware is near dysfunctional [17:16] true that [17:17] alienBOB: left it auto in wicd.. well i can try.. but don't think that's the problem... [17:18] baldguy: that pastebin log indicates that wicd thinks the wireless association using WPA2 succeeded, because else it would never try to start a DHCP client... [17:18] Your problem may just be the use of dhclient [17:19] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008244122.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Well, gotta run; back later [17:19] alienBOB: left it auto in wicd.. well i can try.. but don't think that's the problem..."Unknown AuthMode, can't assign encryption_method!" [17:19] sorry [17:20] rworkman: thx for help [17:20] Action: hashed_ steps out of the way ;) [17:20] alienBOB: nope.. get the same log... i'm more concerned about "Unknown AuthMode, can't assign encryption_method!" [17:21] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [17:21] dive: hi pal [17:22] hi [17:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:23] baldguy: I can not troubleshoot wicd for you. 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[19:00] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] greetings and salutations [19:01] wotch andarius :) [19:01] ello BP{k} [19:01] hey lw0x15 :) [19:01] wotcha BP{k} :) [19:02] sberla54__ (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.147.123) joined ##slackware. [19:03] wotcha sounds pretty awesome when you say it out loud [19:03] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.204.108) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@62-101-126-235.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:04] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@62-101-126-235.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [19:04] lol [19:04] sberla54__ (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:05] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] ugh my face is just now starting to denumb [19:05] i had a filling redone today [19:06] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] Action: SlackNeo esta escuchando ---> Baby Ranks - 12. Enamorado De Ti -> [DJ -> Neo] [19:07] oh god.. [19:07] wtf [19:07] ban that guy [19:08] some one slap that man with a waffle !! [19:08] no mercy nullboy lol [19:08] shoot from the hip BANG! howdy partner [19:09] Action: BP{k} prefers to shoot from an AC-130A .. or an A-10II [19:09] BP{k}: picky lol [19:10] actually, make that an AC-130U [19:10] lw0x15: yes, indeed ;) [19:10] eddief2 (n=eddie@pool-68-161-203-224.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:11] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) got netsplit. [19:11] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) got netsplit. [19:11] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) got netsplit. [19:11] Riley (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) got netsplit. [19:11] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) got netsplit. [19:11] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) got netsplit. [19:12] hello guys, can anyone help me out with alsa drivers. they refuse to work. [19:13] SlackNeo, turn that script off, noone cares what the hell you're listening [19:14] EARTHQUAKE !!! [19:14] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) returned to ##slackware. [19:14] dtanner (n=dtanner@99.162.113.210) joined ##slackware. [19:14] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) returned to ##slackware. [19:14] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) returned to ##slackware. [19:15] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:16] usb installer for 12.2? [19:16] Pyrepenol: this is probably a dumb question, but did you run "alsaconf" from root? [19:16] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-148-20.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] e2kb (n=m0d_@201-25-248-139.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:16] those cargo planes converted to gunships? whow, those are bad, even have howitzer cannons onboard [19:16] yes. [19:17] Riley (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) got lost in the net-split. [19:17] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) got lost in the net-split. [19:17] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-148-20.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:17] mobprobe snd-virtuoso throws the error "Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter" [19:17] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Riley (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Pyrepenol: hmm, sorry. i'm not knowledgeable enough to help you with that :( [19:18] Pyrepenol: that means the module you are trying to load is not for the kernel you are running [19:19] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] so these drivers wont work on slackware? [19:19] that's not what he said [19:19] where did you get them? [19:20] i got them off alsa-project.org. im a newbie if you haven't realized [19:20] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@62-101-126-235.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Connection timed out [19:21] they have to be compiled on the kernel you are running. [19:22] how do i go about doing that? [19:22] http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php?title=Matrix:Module-virtuoso&printable=yes [19:22] i followed that guide already. [19:23] thats what got me here [19:24] tell us what uname -a spits out [19:25] Linux bt 2.6.21.5 #4 SMP Thu Apr 10 04:23:56 GMT 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [19:25] and put the output of modinfo snd-virtuoso on pastebin.com [19:25] bt? [19:25] backtrack3 [19:26] ... [19:26] backtrack I bet [19:26] end of story [19:26] busted [19:26] oh god what did i do [19:26] Backtrack is not Slackware, you notice how it has a different name? "Backtrack" [19:26] well for one; Not using slackware. :) [19:27] right but when i first tried to figure the drivers out people said this used slackware and it uses slackware. [19:27] at the extreme, its like using windows and comming in here asking for help [19:27] uses Slackware? [19:27] who are these "people" [19:28] the backtrack forum. i dont know about linux i just read stuff [19:28] Pyrepenol: is there a specific reason why you are running backtrack? [19:28] you know that people running Backtrack should have a fairly solid reason to run it and usually someone who is running Backtrack would not need help with sound modules [19:29] im just a curious fellow what can i say [19:29] nullboy: way to be the other side of the coin to BP{k} =P [19:29] hackedhead: not really. [19:29] XGizzmo_, heres the modinfo if it still matters http://pastebin.com/m84b73a7 [19:29] we both meant the same, I was just being nice ;) [19:29] wording wise, but same coin [19:30] BP{k}: my point exactly [19:30] hm fair enough. ;-) [19:30] haha [19:30] paisa (n=victor@cblmdm72-241-224-97.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:31] this is sparta, no room for nice [19:31] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] Action: BP{k} kicks nullboy and goes looking for a nice ale [19:31] i have Kirin Ichiban tonight [19:31] Pyrepenol: 486 module wont work on a 686 kernel [19:32] Pyrepenol: Install Slackware then we can help you. [19:32] alright thanks for the help [19:33] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:34] nullboy: http://www.hall-woodhouse.co.uk/beers/badgerales/furstyferret.asp [19:34] man [19:34] BP{k} gets all the good beers [19:35] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:35] BP{k}: sounds like the next ubuntu release [19:35] btw i had a girlfriend who had a ferret and that damn thing would crawl up the inside of the pant leg [19:35] [ in bed ] [19:35] XGizzmo_: haha :) yeah it does a bit :) [19:38] ... what a brilliant idea [19:38] Action: hackedhead goes for one of the last few in his octoberfest stash [19:38] nullboy: just see it like this .. "I am tasting all the beers, so you don't have to" ;) [19:39] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:39] BP{k}: "no really, let me face the peril! just a little peril? please?" [19:39] Pyrepenol (n=Pyrepeno@ip70-161-206-35.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:39] hackedhead: it's a dirty job, but somone got to do it ;) [19:40] it must be your duty. =] [19:40] lol [19:44] Kerio2004 (n=Port@78.93.70.34) left irc: [19:46] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-148-20.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-148-20.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:49] i'm so sketched out about this laptop disk now. yesterday it threw i/o errors for only a single LBA location 10 times. then smart incremented the pending sector count from 0 to 1. i powered off the disk and did an offline smart test and fsck on a different system, put it back in the laptop and powered on and smart decremented the pending sector and didn't add any reallocated or uncorrectable values [19:49] Ficthe (n=grieve@70.92.3.35) joined ##slackware. [19:49] the disk seems totally fine now as if it was some sort of glitch [19:49] matt5 (n=river@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:55] i'd be thinking about a backup [19:55] oh it's done already [19:55] i have a full disk image and filesystem rsyncs [19:56] e2kb (n=m0d_@201-25-248-139.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] i've seen lots of disks fail but i can't remember seeing that happen [19:58] archdave (n=Dave@71-91-222-3.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:02] ssd disk? or magnetic? [20:02] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [20:02] magnetic [20:02] it's a 160GB WD1600BEVS that has been abused [20:02] laptop in a truck abuse [20:03] 160gb? it has outlived it's usefulness :P [20:03] lol [20:04] i just need a solid reason to get the 320 [20:04] ;) [20:04] nullboy: who needs a reason? [20:04] "Hey ma - we need more room for those pix you keep taking of the kid" "what kid?" "You know, whosever kid it is I keep seeing in those pix" [20:05] "that's the dog" [20:05] lol [20:06] ?? [20:06] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:10] lots of DX on 10 & 11 meters [20:13] these two laptops i'm working on are in amazingly good shape for being XP home with home users [20:14] i can barely talk to my friends across town, but i can talk to people in Tennessee & the Carolinas from Oklahoma like they were right in the same room i am in [20:14] lol [20:15] alisonken1: i lol'd [20:15] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:15] hmm 12.2 security updates. [20:15] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.93.41) joined ##slackware. [20:16] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [20:17] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:17] then your mirror failz ;) [20:18] Package mozilla-firefox-3.0.5-i686-1 upgraded with new package ./mozilla-firefox-3.0.6-i686-1.tgz. [20:18] mirror, mirror on the wall... [20:18] i use osuosl [20:18] it's updated [20:18] firefaux is already @ the newest one [20:18] ftp.slackware.no is probably the fastest thing for europeans [20:19] the bastards have 10GBit fiber [20:19] supposedly Charter is rolling our 60Mb [20:19] directly connected to the central european backbone [20:19] our/out [20:19] if charter does 60Mb in my area i am so down [20:20] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [20:20] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-158-206.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] damn osuosl is getting raped right now [20:21] Action: BP{k} pulls out... [20:21] Ruthven (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-180-254.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] all done .. you're up for sloppy seconds, nullboy ? [20:21] lol [20:21] don't mind if i do [20:22] eeek [20:22] BP{k}: you pervert :P [20:22] ... [20:22] yeah, right... so what else is new :P [20:22] macavity: sorry, and your point was what? ;) [20:23] lol exactly [20:23] charter won't e capping the 60Mb people but currently i am the 15Mb plan and i get capped to 100GB [20:24] if there has to be capping, i would say that .1TB/mo is not unrealistic [20:24] ive got freinds here tho get an order of magnitude less [20:24] *who [20:25] i've never gone over that though even as it is [20:25] the craziest i get is downloading a kernel tarball and rsyncing my slackware repo [20:27] with a little hulu mixed in from time to time [20:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Urchlay (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] bleah. I must have the only heatsink fan in the world that's an imperial size, not metric... [20:32] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.180) left irc: "... Leaving , was still at work..." [20:32] that's ok, it took me quite some time today to find a 40x40x28mm fan [20:33] 40mm are tiny [20:33] practically no airflow [20:34] yeah ew. [20:34] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:34] i wish i had built my system on a 120mm fan based case [20:34] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:34] no kidding. it's a replacement part for a 1U sunfire v20z [20:34] .... [20:34] and at 13k rpms, there is airflow [20:34] 13k rpm? [20:34] fuck me [20:35] yes [20:35] bend over [20:35] do you wear ear protection around that thing? [20:35] they should make them in 30k rpms [20:35] spook : have you ever been inside a data center? [20:36] nasty [20:36] hba (n=hba@189.188.147.150) joined ##slackware. [20:36] that way it should in theory be above our hearing threshold [20:36] here's the spec sheet: http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/dcfans/download/pdf/FFB/FFB40x40x28mm.pdf [20:36] ananke: yes. [20:36] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-158-206.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:37] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:37] spook : then you'd know that this isn't anything special [20:37] ananke: outside of a datacenter that thing would be death [20:38] heret|c_ (n=heretic@adsl-232-63-163.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] spook : and so would be fish out of water [20:38] actually this is probably a 70mm fan [20:39] wow.. that thing fills a big black plastic bag in 10 secs.. [20:39] easier to replace the whole damn heatsink [20:39] macavity : and there are 6 or 8 of them inside each v20z [20:39] I'll take the last car http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/02/12-awesome-unix-custom-license-plates/ [20:40] <3 noctua [20:40] ananke: they hover on their own accord? :P [20:40] Read the small print on the bottom of his plate too there [20:40] macavity: you need a rubber skirt to make anything "hover" [20:40] macavity : you have to bolt those servers to the racks, otherwise they start moving across the floor :) [20:41] oh, kinky! [20:41] macavity, I bet you like taht last one there too (did you see the small print :) [20:41] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:42] i have the largest headache ever in the history of man [20:42] Old_Fogie: priceless! [20:42] macavity, hahah yeah man that's great [20:42] and it just became morning break at the school i'm working at. [20:42] i got 4 of those servers, got them for free from sun, along with the full size rack. too bad they're about to piss me off, they won't take the additional memory we just bought [20:42] "source code is free speech" [20:43] :D [20:43] .. i just had to repeat it [20:43] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:43] macavity, you mean you don't have that on your license plate? Come on macavity, you're our resident FOSS advocate, don't let me down now :) [20:43] does that mean that copyleft is "you cant curb what i said"? [20:43] hes also our resident kink advocate [20:44] spook: I feel for ya, man. But if you're not dry heaving right now, it's not the largest headache in the history of man. :) [20:44] Old_Fogie: you can ditch the OS in FOSS and i'll be an advocate on the rest :P [20:44] spook: hush! :P [20:44] ok gotcha, heh [20:44] beej71: i'm banging my head against the desk to make the pain go away [20:44] spook: does it help? [20:44] no [20:45] doesnt make it worse either [20:45] Old_Fogie: i cant get a custom license plate.. i have a scooter, but only cars and MCs can get cool plates [20:45] well, then do the next best thing [20:45] then [20:45] wear an "emu" hat [20:45] spook: does it hurt on both sides of your head, or just on one side? Is it a specific small area? [20:46] :D [20:46] beej71: all of the above [20:46] *cough cough* [20:46] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: "leaving" [20:46] the innards of my poor PC are *nasty* [20:46] spook: it can't only hurt on one side and also hurt on both sides. :) [20:46] spook: you now what always gets the best of my headaches? two or three mugs of coffe, alongside with three or four big glases of water [20:46] I don't have dust bunnies, I have dust rottweilers [20:46] Urchlay: heat. shrink, wrap. [20:47] macavity: i dont want to trade a headache for sitting on the toilet [20:47] and clean [20:47] spook: oh.. then try with lots of water [20:47] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-145-52.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] spook: If I were in your shoes and there weren't any migrane or sinus headache indicators, I'd take asprin or advil and drink a lot of water. [20:48] hi [20:48] 'ello [20:48] how to edit my ip config to staic on my slackware... [20:48] we dont have any of those in australia [20:48] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-232-62-144.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:48] beej71: what are the main drugs in those? [20:48] ruben23: vi/emacs /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [20:49] ruben23: and slackbook.org for other common setup issues [20:49] spook: er, well, in asprin its... asprin. Advil is probably prescription there. [20:49] ruben23: really, its in the TOC, and it is written in an easy to digest fashion [20:49] beej71: ibuphropehn(sp)? paracetamol? [20:49] ruben23: i cannot reccomend that book enough [20:50] macavity:sorry...ill read do wori... [20:50] but the hint above should get you started on the networking part [20:50] asprin is acetylsalicylic acid, an old common drug. If anything was over the counter there, it'd be that. advil is ibuprofen. [20:50] ruben23: netconfig might also help, if you are more into the wizard-do-it-for-you kind of things [20:51] macavity:the conf ==> is an empty...? need to the data here..? [20:51] ruben23: huh? [20:51] try oxycontin, the pain med reccommended by the GOP and rush limbaugh :D [20:51] if rc.inet1.conf is empty then there is something VERY wrong with your system [20:52] macavity: vi /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf its empty [20:52] ruben23: cat /etc/slackware-version and paste result here please [20:53] actually I find alcohol to be a good headache reliever [20:53] Pig_Pen: heh [20:53] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:53] Urchlay: headache postponer :P [20:53] Pig_Pen, actually rush didn't make it popular, the "vast left wing conspiracy media" (<--play on Hilliary') going after el' Rushbo did :) [20:53] Urchlay: what macavity said. :) [20:53] just don't drink so much that you wake up with a headache again tomorrow [20:53] nah, I don't get hangovers really [20:53] i dont drink at all.. so that one is out of the question for me [20:54] I mean I feel so rotten every day when I first wake up I'd never notice anyway [20:54] however, Treo is a nice product.. its Aspirin + caffeine [20:54] macavity: if you don't drink, that'd make alcohol *really* effective if you did decide to... [20:54] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:55] Urchlay: i mix a little too good with alcohol.. [20:56] macavity::-D i got it..thanks for the assist... [20:56] ruben23: what went wrong? [20:56] typo? [20:57] macavity:its a funny one...i have my slackware and centos installed on my vmware server...what im browsing was the centos....so sorry...no such directory was found... [20:58] ah [20:58] Urchlay: I drink infrequently. A lot less so than when my German friend Jürgen lived here. :) He was a drinking monster... and an MD! he was here on sabatical. [20:58] MD? [20:58] hashed_ (n=hashed@24.248.222.212) left ##slackware. [20:58] Urchlay: now I tend to have a drink and a few diet cokes so I can still program. ;) [20:58] yup, the battle of the muck rakers, the left wingers & right wingers are constantly throwing mud on eachother, (probably to distract the population from the real issues like more serious government corruption) [20:58] macavity: Medical Doctor [20:58] lol [20:58] macavity: I have a brother like that... he can't drink at all or else he's back to being a complete psycho alcoholic [20:59] beej71: I think Germans get beer in their bottles when they're babies :) [20:59] Jesus christ, i just got a call back from a uni telling me the prices of the courses i wish to attend, $3,500 =/ [20:59] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:59] Urchlay: yeah, I'm pretty sure, too. [20:59] Urchlay: if i drink it leads to something even worse [20:59] i drink but in moderation, i have one (only one) drink in the evening after supper [20:59] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:00] Frullet: where do you live? [21:00] am glad I can drink when I feel like it... also glad I don't feel like it all too often [21:00] macavity, australia [21:00] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Frullet: come to Denmark. We have free education :-) [21:00] U-Neeks (i=555@200-193-227-203.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:01] macavity, ill be there in 10 [21:01] macavity: I was just there! [21:01] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Frullet: and if you dont have a master degree yet, you get student salary [21:01] its the method of drinking that counts, "do you control your drinking? or does your drinking control you?" [21:01] macavity, not to shabby at all, apparently at the end of my studies i will be $20 grand in debt =/ [21:01] Frullet: and if that's not enough, you can get a monthly interest free govt insured loan [21:02] beej71: in little DK? [21:02] I m starting my new job tomorrow it's more of a temp job right now but could be perm. [21:02] kitche: congrats [21:02] macavity: yeah--gf's uncle is an American ex-pat living in Copenhagen. We were there for holiday [21:02] kitche: UNIX admin? [21:03] macavity: new years eve downtown Copenhagen was pretty sweet! [21:03] glad you liked it [21:03] macavity: nah going to be a call center person [21:03] macavity: yeah--it was completely insane. :) [21:03] macavity: no clue which section yet since it's all test based [21:03] Zordrak: pong [21:04] personally i dont get along too well with the copenhagens.. they are a little too fast talking and fast tracking for me [21:04] we, here in northern jutland, is probably a little more what an Ausie is to a New Yorker :P [21:04] s/is/are/ [21:04] nicest thing about copenhagen is the plethora of museums [21:06] i think the nicest thing is Christiania [21:06] the "free city" [21:06] macavity: but the call center company has a lot of companies that it works for hopefully I land in a tech one [21:07] kitche: hopefully :-) [21:07] still, congrats [21:07] the situation here is currently hopeless :-/ [21:07] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [21:08] wow a nine year old knows six programming languages .... [21:08] nice [21:08] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=Ignacio@190.51.48.119: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent people | http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: mozilla-firefox (SSA:2009-036-01) [21:09] i think the younger a person is when they get in to computer technology the better they adapt to it [21:09] taking up programming as a kid could really pay off later in life [21:09] new slackware release? :) [21:09] Pig_Pen: well this kid already has 20 programming projects done and is working on iphone apps one is Doodle kids another one is invader wars [21:09] sweet [21:10] ohhh no, more mozilla-firebug issues.... [21:11] he must be a brillient and gifted kid [21:13] Naglfar (n=Severanc@30.Red-88-6-110.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:13] Pig_Pen, that [21:13] s because [21:13] as you get older, your mind "hardens". [21:13] twolf: probably right. I started programming like 25 years ago! OMG... [21:14] dtanner (n=dtanner@99.162.113.210) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:14] IT's easier for children to learn. [21:14] Singapore is where he lives he started to use a computer when he was 2 [21:14] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-122-41-66.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:14] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.76.51) joined ##slackware. [21:14] twolf: my uncle got me a book called Assembly Language For Kids, and I devored that thing. When I had to take it in college, it was easy. [21:15] but as ccfreak2k said as we grow older it's harder for us to learn since we have to push old stuff out if your old enough younger people tend to grow more routes [21:15] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [21:15] beej71: thats cool, I wonder if that book is still in print [21:15] GETTING a child to learn, now there's a challenge. [21:16] I see the last of MySQL co-founders have quit SUN or was there four? [21:16] twolf: learning iphone programming has been really difficult for me, comparitively speaking. I think I'm getting older. :) But a couple years ago I picked up Flash programming in basically zero time... so it depends on sometnhing I don't fully understand. [21:17] twolf: but I think part of my ease of learning a new development system is, "Do I get to develop under Linux, or do I have to use some inflexible proprietary OS?" :) [21:17] can someone remind me where $LANG gets set? [21:17] so you can't develop for the iphone in linux? [21:17] twolf: not officially. If you jailbreak the phone you can. [21:18] that sucks [21:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:18] firefox sucks... [21:18] kilasmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] allo again all :) [21:18] sounds like for a iphone to be very useful it needs to be jailbroken anyways [21:18] hackedhead: looking still... [21:19] man Sun is making MySQL worst then it was [21:19] twolf: true. it is merely "useful for the masses" otherwise. [21:19] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2/source/kde/amarok/ <- how in the world do i apply this patch??? [21:19] twolf: kinda true of Apple products in general. :) [21:20] im feeling really dumb. this is a common issue with amarok, but im not sure how to patch and make a package outta this at all [21:20] kilasmurf, download the .tgz file and then run upgradepkg as root. [21:20] let me as a better question, i'm running a console program in screen (canto rss reader) and i'm seeing ??? instead of border lines [21:20] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:20] hackedhead: /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [21:20] um.... [21:21] beej71: oh yeah, ta [21:21] kilasmurf: what patch? [21:21] i have slack12.2 as of the other night.. didnt that same .tgz come with slack12.2??? [21:21] :q [21:21] er, wrong vi window. :) [21:21] the patch that corrects the no wikipedia page within amarok [21:22] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4DBB7.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [21:22] kilasmurf: you need to apply it to the amarok sources before you compile it...and that link you posted has it all right there [21:22] yeah, when i try to run those scripts all i get are errors [21:22] you only run 1 [21:22] you don't manually run them all [21:22] this is out of the scope of this conversation for me [21:23] kilasmurf, oops! sorry, I didn't read your link correctly. [21:23] i ran the amarok.SlackBuild script... [21:23] nothing [21:23] then i tried the apply patch script... again nothing [21:24] actually it was the other way around [21:24] patch script first [21:24] hi by default the slackpkg is not install in salck.. [21:24] huh??? [21:24] ruben23: yes it is [21:24] was that a question or a statement :| [21:25] nullboy:whay i cant find /etc/slckpkg/ ...? [21:25] it is now in the /ap series as of slackware 12.2 [21:25] because it's not called slckpkg? [21:26] ... [21:26] i mean slackpkg sorry... [21:26] you try running it as root? [21:26] did you do a Full install ? [21:26] of 12.2 [21:26] yes..12.1 [21:26] no, 12.2 [21:26] in 12.1 it is not in the default tree and is found in /extra [21:27] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/ap/slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch-1.tgz [21:27] on 12.1 a full install will not install naything from /extra [21:27] ah ok..so i have to install it.. [21:27] yes [21:27] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.1/extra/slackpkg/ [21:28] ok, patching this thing is getting to make my ass hurt (not a good thing) [21:28] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [21:28] Action: andarius does not want any details on that :| [21:29] and bad you. the smurfs are awesome [21:29] that link i showed you guys, i have all those filed in a dir called 'kde/' i run that script from within kde/ and get "gzip: /amarok-libmtp8-buildfix.diff.gz: No such file or directory" when im lookin right at it 0-o [21:29] you deserve to have your ass hurt :P [21:29] smurfs are awesome :) [21:29] killah-smurf, not smurf-killah :P [21:30] kilasmurf: umm if you notice / means / not the directory your in you probably need to edit the script [21:30] lol [21:30] zcat ./amarok-libmtp8-buildfix.diff.gz [21:30] Pig_Pen: thats the command thats being run. but you get a gzip error [21:31] zcat ./amarok-libmtp8-buildfix.diff.gz | patch -p1 somethingsomethingsomething [21:31] i would have to look at the slackbuild [21:31] the script says "zcat $CWD/amarok-libmtp8-buildfix.diff.gz | patch -p0 || exit 1 [21:31] dartmout1 (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:31] hi [21:32] i removed the '$cwd/' [21:32] then ran it. and got the same error [21:32] kilasmurf: well guess what $CWD could be / if your not in kde/ but in / :) [21:32] i forgot to install the games packages and no longer have access to install media (remote machine); and I need the fortune app ^_^ is there a handy place it'd be laying around? lol [21:32] that looks like it should do it, maybe change $CWD to ./ if you are running it manually [21:32] dartmout1, any slack mirror [21:32] Ruthven (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-180-254.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [21:33] zomg, wearing his cape he is :o [21:34] dartmout1: ftp://ftp.esat.net/mirrors/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/y/ [21:34] night all guys [21:34] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.147.123) left irc: "leaving" [21:34] nachox: gnight. [21:34] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.48.119) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:36] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [21:36] or having #!/bin/sh CWD=`pwd` might help too in that. [21:36] nachox, thanks i grabbed it off perdue [21:36] BP{k}: thanks too [21:36] dartmout1 (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "ok i had a brainfart" [21:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] nationplacebo (n=placebon@ppp-70-244-47-253.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] coobra (n=noone@unaffiliated/coobra) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Old_Fogie: i really shouldnt have to do all of that though. this is confusing me [21:39] but ill try that too though [21:39] i want nfsclient to work. Whats that called iin slack ? [21:40] well, be sure the .SlackBuild and the .sh files are "chmod +x" and executed by root. else it will fail. [21:40] k, back in a sec [21:41] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:42] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:43] nfsclient? slackware has native support for mounting nfs shares :| [21:43] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:samba#setting_up_nfs_on_slackware [21:44] NFS is, and have always been, as easy as eating cake [21:44] s/have/has/ [21:45] except between Linux and OSX [21:45] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [21:45] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:45] i blame that solely on OSX [21:45] darwin [21:45] pattwo (n=admin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.93.41) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:46] fuck, what am i doing wrong [21:46] Action: andarius blames macavity [21:46] nothing but errors [21:46] kilasmurf, I'm booting up vbox now I try here [21:46] yeah. lemme know how yours turns out [21:47] andarius: thats because you had to many waffles [21:47] Action: kilasmurf cant wait for this [21:47] placebonation (n=placebon@ppp-70-244-47-253.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:47] kilasmurf: the go over there --> and slap macavity around for a bit [21:48] Action: kilasmurf slaps the flying bananas outta macavity [21:49] Action: macavity introduces kilasmurf to the concept of anal probes with a cargo train [21:49] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [21:50] as long as its kept as a concept, im cooh :P [21:50] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] How would I find the color depth of a video card? [21:51] that wouldnt make much of an introduction :P [21:51] keveam: you mean set it? [21:51] macavity: I would like to, but I'm not sure what it is. [21:51] keveam: 24 [21:51] macavity: How do you know? [21:51] nighty night good people, time to visit dreamland [21:51] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:52] cause it goe no hiya :P [21:52] that is in bractice 32... 24 bit colorspace with 8 bit alpha channel [21:52] goes* [21:52] practice* [21:52] kilasmurf, works here ( I did add --verbose after p0 fwiw, and removed 'v' out of tar ) http://pastebin.com/d7b7c1777 [21:52] and everything under the sun (short of old voodoo crap) supports 32 bit colors [21:52] thanks :D [21:53] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:53] macavity: I'm running a video card from around 2000 or so. [21:53] keveam: just try out DefaultDepth 24 [21:53] keveam: i take it this is X configuration we are talking about, right? [21:53] kilasmurf, I also have the KDE.options file and my amarok and scripts are in an 'amarok' folder as per the slack tree; as you see, I'm in a folder called /tmp/test and I dont even have a full slack source tree thre [21:53] v4nelle (n=van@adsl85-247.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:53] keveam: and, what card is it? [21:53] macavity: Yes, X configuration. [21:54] macavity: Also, if you know how to find the vertical/horizontal sync rate, I'd be very appreciative. [21:54] wait a minute... i was pointing it at the wrong file then [21:54] keveam: that is a monotor setting [21:54] *monitor [21:54] macavity: I know. I'm just not sure what it is on the system I'm troubleshooting. [21:55] keveam: try X -configure or some such.. it is likely to already know your monitor [21:55] and lspci should tell you what card that is [21:56] macavity: xorgconfig? I did. [21:56] macavity: I just don't want to ruin my monitor because of my ineptness. [21:56] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:57] did it recognice the model? [21:57] if it did, its either becuse someone who read the specs enterd them in the database, or because the monitor is PnP aware [21:57] but again, what card is that? [21:58] keveam: The card is configured. It was a Silicon Motion SM170 LynxEX, so I just used the siliconmotion driver in xorg. [21:58] *macavity [21:59] thats a rare piece of hardware [21:59] Sorry, I'm a narcissist. [21:59] macavity: Yes, I know. [21:59] macavity: Quite the bitch to set up. [22:00] if you read siliconmotion(4) you will notice that it does in fact support 8, 16 and 24 bit color [22:01] root@z0det:/etc/rc.d# chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.portmap [22:01] chmod: cannot access `/etc/rc.d/rc.portmap': No such file or directory [22:01] root@z0det:/etc/rc.d# [22:01] Channel flood from coobra -- kicking [22:01] ? [22:01] coobra kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:01] macavity: RTFM...my bad. Sorry. I didn't know where the xorg docs were, but I didn't really look. [22:02] keveam: you should look at the Option "pci_burst" "boolean" [22:02] what chipset is in that machine? [22:02] (lspci) [22:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.149.167) joined ##slackware. [22:02] if it is Intel, Via or Sis (short of Sis VX+) it should do pci bursts just fine [22:03] man compiz is merging it's forks back in I see [22:03] guess they want one giant project instead of forks all over [22:04] compiz-fusion will be no more [22:04] that makes sense [22:04] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:04] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [22:04] now that the fusion branch is stable, it is time to merge back in [22:05] Old_Fogie: you didnt get a line 28 error when runnin the slackbuild? [22:06] I gave you what my screen said :) [22:06] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] i'm impressed [22:07] first time so far i was able to get my bluetooth keyboard working with just a single 'hidd --search' [22:07] usually it takes about 20 minutes of fiddling with kbluetooth [22:07] yeah i know, and you dont have one there... im wondering how come you didnt get one... [22:07] line 28 is "grrrrrrrrr" : command not found obviously.... [22:07] odd, I'm wondering why you are getting one :) [22:08] i don't know wtf has changed but, now all i have to do is turn on my mouse and it connects to my laptop [22:08] it's great [22:08] i know im asking dumb questions, but if you didnt have to comment that out, why should i [22:08] nullboy, now if i can keep the bluetooth connection in the bios and not have to reconnect each time i go to windows -> slackware or vice versa [22:08] nullboy, iirc he changed some stuff for udev or was it dbus, it's in the changelog [22:08] that would be great [22:08] Fenix-Dark: haha yeah right [22:08] nullboy, :( [22:09] kilasmurf, let me ask you this. do you use an ipod, or a media device for amarok? [22:09] nullboy: bluez had issues before so Pat might have added the fixes for it [22:10] yessir. i need libmtp and thats that :P [22:10] kilasmurf, cuz if not, you dont need the libmtp anyhow, you can disable it in config [22:10] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [22:10] kilasmurf, what version of slack? [22:10] 12.2 [22:10] why building kde? [22:10] err amarok [22:11] cause of the prollem with amarok... cant access wikipedia through it [22:11] when googling that issue. it pointed me to that website with the libmtp... what they have to do with eachother i have no ephing clue [22:11] oh, hmm, I havent heard that before (i believe you) just never heard ofit [22:11] kilasmurf, well you mean like artist info that shows up [22:12] yeah, its a popular prollem [22:12] that may be, but it's not broken in Slack 12.2 [22:12] yeah. rather you get a list of available languages [22:12] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] hi how to view package installed on slackware [22:12] you got *all* of kde installed kilasmurf [22:12] ? [22:12] pkgtool,kpackage [22:13] ofcourse [22:13] im just going to reinstall it from the disc just to see what happens [22:14] |EC|Jackal (n=Owner@24.166.184.180) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:15] kilasmurf, well libmtp links to nothing really (unless you really did a very light install) so it's probably not that. have you tried launching amarok from a terminal and see what it says there? [22:15] kilasmurf, or run # ldd /usr/bin/amarok and see if anythign's missing [22:16] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:16] kilasmurf, also check ~/.xsession-errors file [22:17] lol. yep. prollem still there... i know where it is though [22:17] kilasmurf, also (tho this is grabbing at straws) but be sure your user is in plugdev group, for all I know, since it install udev rules (libtmp) could be a perm issue if your not in plugdev (again guessing here) [22:17] its the contextbrowswer.cpp file within the src dir [22:18] line 142 has to be changed due to the fact that wikipedia changed their code up slightly not too long ago [22:18] oh? [22:18] yeah [22:19] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=256389 [22:19] i tell no lie sir [22:20] beef stew, fish sticks and rice for dinner [22:20] the strange thing is. ive never had an issue with libmtp. ever! i just install amarok and i can do whatever i need to do.. i dont even understand what this patch is actually patching 0_o [22:20] all things i can smash with my tongue [22:20] kilasmurf, ah yes it is broken. I'll be dipped. [22:20] hi [22:21] ut oh ruben is back [22:21] kilasmurf, huh it worked about a week or so ago, hmm interesting [22:21] grrr [22:21] hi how to view package installed on slackware [22:21] ruben23: ls /var/adm/packages [22:22] all packages.. [22:22] Urchlay:tnkzzzzzzzz [22:22] so im trying to understand what this libmtp patch is about. cause even when i was on 12.1 it worked right out the box [22:22] bleah. My desktop box is now full of mud [22:22] but since its here i might as well patch that and this wikipedia bit [22:23] (whatever the dust crap is, getting it wet with alcohol just makes it stickier) [22:23] you're supposed to blow out all the large amounts of dust first... [22:23] just use canned airand a lint free cloth [22:24] Urchlay: it's called dust use an air spray can :) [22:24] anyways I need to get to bed so I can get up early tomorrow [22:24] you have mud made out of human dander now [22:24] gg [22:25] btw if anyone is into this type of write up http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-webattack/ [22:26] anyone have a quick rsync script setup with a working mirror? [22:26] for slackware-current [22:26] kitche: spary can does *nothing* to it [22:26] rsync --stats -aPvi --delete-after rsync.osuosl.org::slackware/slackware-current/ /path/to/slackware-current/ [22:26] I mean it was sticky to start with, like it's part motor oil [22:26] nullboy, thank you sir [22:26] np [22:27] nullboy is a cli machine [22:27] and yeah I know what it is. I used to smoke in the room where the PC was, it's tar [22:27] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) joined ##slackware. [22:27] dtanner, its quicker/easier to sync up to -current via cli than gui [22:28] always [22:28] just can't believe how nasty it got, and how fast [22:28] i have a handful of different rsync scripts for keeping local sync'd directories of all the places i use [22:29] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "BRB" [22:29] i didnt know they had a rsync gui , i am sure they do though somewhere [22:29] Naglfar (n=Severanc@30.Red-88-6-110.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] hashed_ (n=hashed@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:31] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) left irc: Client Quit [22:32] kilasmurf, basically have the script # cd $TMP/$PRGNAM-$VERSION (THEN) patch -p2 --verbose < $CWD/gentoo.patch (assumes gentoo patch in same dir as buildscripts) [22:32] kilasmurf, building it now to see [22:32] how does docky work out in xfce. anyone use it? [22:32] i'm sorry, meant docker [22:35] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [22:36] hashed_ (n=hashed@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) left ##slackware. [22:39] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] Action: dtanner passes Old_Fogie a Stogie and offers him a light. [22:42] much obliged kid sir :) [22:42] dtanner, :D how are you today? [22:42] np [22:42] build databse for my locate command..? [22:42] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-145-52.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1" [22:42] locate having fatal error running.. [22:42] doing fine , except .. I started back on the cigs after being quit for almost 6 months [22:42] ruben23, new install doesnt have one at first [22:42] Old_Fogie: hopefully since i have not been smoking them again for about 1 week i will be able to stop easily [22:43] dtanner, well someone has to pay Nancy Palosi's healthcare for rich kids health care plan :) [22:43] I did not buy a new pack when i ran out today , lets see if I can last.. mind power [22:43] Old_Fogie:how do i build the db on it [22:43] Old_Fogie: =) [22:43] Ruthven (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-180-254.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] ruben23, I usually run (as root) updatedb and it creates it. I've seen people say to create it with touch command first for the location, but I've yet to ever need to. [22:44] Old_Fogie: and how are you this evening ? [22:44] cold... 7 degrees here , and in the teens wind chill. [22:45] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Old_Fogie:it workz.. [22:45] ruben23, what d'ya know [22:45] :D [22:46] no it doesnt... i have to wait for the next big xorg release, and then build the whole gang [22:46] ruben23, actually on a stock system, had you not needed it right away, it would have done it for you at 440am per cron job [22:46] macavity, sorry? [22:46] i *thought* i had the latest version of DRM [22:47] ah I see [22:47] however, the x log tells me that i have version 1.3 but need 1.9 [22:47] those numbers does not match anything :-/ [22:47] so, it doesnt do GEM after all [22:47] xorgs naming system is brutal [22:48] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:48] hence triple buffers and tiling gets disabled, and that is what is needed to make composite fast [22:48] gotcha [22:50] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [22:51] Old_Fogie: im sorry about all the dumb questions man. but im just not getting this shit. im seriously becoming quite angry [22:51] that slackbuild script just has a fucked up line #28 [22:51] 'grrrrr' [22:51] but you didnt comment that out [22:51] kilasmurf, well download all new scripts who knows [22:51] and it ran for you [22:52] ive done it like 12x by now [22:52] Old_Fogie: i think i found the culprit [22:52] yup, I jst copied to a folder, chmod +x the .sh & .SlackBuild and voiila [22:52] Old_Fogie: Pat does not install the mesa kernel modules... [22:52] hashed_ (n=hashed@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Old_Fogie: he relies on the DRM version in-kernel [22:52] Old_Fogie: ... about to fix that :P [22:52] or break my system... [22:52] macavity, interesting [22:57] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:58] i got it... [22:58] everytime i copy n paste the contents of that file. it for some reason makes a new line at line 28 [22:59] kilasmurf, nano? [22:59] I hate that too, nano and pico do that [22:59] mcedit ftw [22:59] ... pico [22:59] kilasmurf, yup [22:59] pita [23:00] Action: Frullet is sick of this hot weather [23:00] but ofcourse.. now we have NEW errors! [23:00] yes!! [23:01] isnt packaging fun [23:01] checking build system type... configure: error: /bin/sh admin/config.sub -slackware-linux failed [23:01] configure: WARNING: Cache variable ac_cv_build contains a newline. [23:01] make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. [23:02] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!" [23:02] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:03] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [23:03] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:04] that contextbrowser file is somehow outta place [23:04] you did unzip that bz2 file no? [23:04] haway! my wiki for amarok works! [23:04] Action: Old_Fogie runs [23:04] thanks for the gentoo fix [23:04] Action: Old_Fogie is chuckling..but yeah that patch fixed it [23:04] aw. works for you, but not i :( [23:04] i r sad [23:05] kilasmurf, well just think ... [23:05] you cannot _possibly_ have many more frequent flier miles on your "FAIL bus pass" :) [23:05] haha [23:05] you'll get it. [23:05] true [23:05] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] its always something stupid [23:05] Cryp71c (i=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] take a step back, get some coffee, and hit it in a little while [23:06] kilasmurf, but seriously yea, that patch fixes it here [23:06] I'm trying to get my wireless setup using kwifimanager (was trying in console but it wouldn't work) and it works on unsecured networks, but not on my home (secured) network. [23:06] now I'm on 12.1 slackware, with same libmtp and amarok as slack 12.2 (same kde too I backported it) so I have no reason to think it wont for you [23:07] still gettin errors [23:07] Cryp71c, dont use that it's a joke. many people claim to wicd is good in /extra. or use wpa_gui [23:07] ... g'nite all [23:07] night [23:08] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.149.167) left ##slackware (""... Jesus paid it all, All to Him I owe; Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow.""). [23:08] Old_Fogie, I would like to use wpa_gui but the 'adapter' and 'network' boxes won't let me select anything, and in the status it says "Could not get status from wpa_supplicant" [23:08] Old_Fogie, is wicd installed by default in 12.2? [23:08] Cryp71c, no it's in /extra [23:08] oh [23:08] Cryp71c, wpa_gui as root [23:08] belive it or not [23:08] or suid it [23:09] or sudo your choice [23:09] configure: error: /bin/sh admin/config.sub -slackware-linux failed [23:09] wicd loves you and wants you to be happy [23:09] dotn know what to do with that [23:09] uva (i=bono@118-168-234-205.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] kilasmurf, pastebin it pleae the log...# bash -x ./amarok.SlackBuild 2>&1 |tee ./my-build-of-amarok.log <--- run that, the bash -x shows all commands the scripts are doing. [23:10] fogie, you did extract the bz2 file though right [23:10] nope [23:10] script does that,..."tar -jxvf amaro..... [23:11] noooo I can't find my 12.2 disk =\ [23:11] Cryp71c, mirror [23:11] Old_Fogie, is there any iso-mounting software that comes w/ 12.2 ? I have the 12.2 iso [23:11] mount? [23:11] Cryp71c, yes "mount -o loop somefile.iso /mnt/someplace" [23:12] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) got netsplit. [23:12] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. [23:12] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-55-68.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [23:12] bono (i=bono@118-168-234-205.dynamic.hinet.net) got netsplit. [23:12] jean-1uc (n=jean-1uc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) got netsplit. [23:12] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) got netsplit. [23:12] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) got netsplit. [23:12] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) got netsplit. [23:12] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [23:12] snorks (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com) got netsplit. [23:12] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) got netsplit. [23:12] get (n=getf@ensim2.fmsweb.de) got netsplit. [23:12] kilasmurf: looks like ARCH is unset. [23:12] And without even a goodbye. [23:12] "mount point /mnt/12.2 does not exist" ? [23:12] rworkman, that wikipideia / gentoo patch works, I just did it here [23:12] I have to create my mount directory first? [23:12] Old_Fogie: huh? [23:12] rworkman, for amarok he posted link tooooo [23:12] Cryp71c: yes. [23:13] get (n=getf@ensim2.fmsweb.de) returned to ##slackware. [23:13] Oh, I didn't read that far up. I was just commenting on this: 04:09 < kilasmurf> configure: error: /bin/sh admin/config.sub -slackware-linux failed [23:13] Cryp71c: Or use one that's there already. [23:13] rworkman, wiki changed url...artist info == broken now in stock slack til upstream fixes it, but gentoo has a patch at link above [23:13] for old amarok or amarok2? [23:13] 12.2 amarok [23:13] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-55-68.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=256389 [23:13] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware. [23:14] What's that url again? [23:14] rworkman, ^^ [23:14] oh [23:14] rworkman, that's why he's been on the fail bus to building amarok all night [23:14] jean-1uc (n=jean-1uc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) returned to ##slackware. [23:14] Thanks! :) [23:14] snorks (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com) returned to ##slackware. [23:14] poor ba$tard has been at it all night, he found it not me :) [23:14] hehe [23:14] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:15] and the "nano pastes on two lines in lieu of one long line" got him too [23:15] that's burned my a$$ a few times more than I'd like to admit as well [23:15] Old_Fogie: http://pastebin.com/m785ff5ba [23:15] Consider that punishment for using a child's editor ;-) [23:16] that certainly is a valid argument for vi for sure [23:17] kilasmurf, hey you commented out the patch for libmtp why? [23:17] 0_o [23:17] i didnt comment out anything [23:17] me swears [23:17] oh debian moment sorry [23:18] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) got lost in the net-split. [23:18] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) got lost in the net-split. [23:18] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) got lost in the net-split. [23:18] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) got lost in the net-split. [23:18] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) got lost in the net-split. [23:18] bono (i=bono@118-168-234-205.dynamic.hinet.net) got lost in the net-split. [23:18] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-55-68.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split. [23:18] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) got lost in the net-split. [23:18] kilasmurf, hey did it patch right tho on screen? ( /me wishes Mr. V had --verbose in there) [23:18] no [23:18] i got precisely what you see there [23:19] kilasmurf, 'whereis make' does it show something [23:19] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [23:19] yeah [23:20] man page file, binaries [23:20] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:21] kilasmurf, 'md5sum amarok-1.4.10.tar.bz2' <--- gives this ? ---> 3bdbf26181bf5e5925f48968caba7ac2 amarok-1.4.10.tar.bz2 [23:22] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [23:23] hrmmm, lets find out :P [23:23] oohhhhh [23:23] no [23:23] so i'm running a python+ncurses app that uses line graphics (canto rss) but i'm getting ? chars instead of actual line graphics... [23:23] very much not so [23:23] grab a new sourceball [23:23] hmm [23:23] so when using vhosts [23:24] apache seems to take the first vhost accessed as the "root" webpage also [23:24] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [23:24] which is strange. Shouldn't it still be showing the "It works!" page? [23:25] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [23:25] Has anyone setup dwm on slack 12.2 yet? [23:25] k, now we in biz [23:25] as far as the sourceball anyway [23:26] Action: kilasmurf runs script again [23:26] Cryp71c: yes? [23:26] haha, same shit [23:26] hackedhead, did you have to jerry-rig it in any fashion? Or was its installation pretty smooth? [23:26] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Cryp71c: it was fine. all i ever do is compile and drop a single binary in /usr/bin [23:27] and the dmenu sbopkg works fine [23:27] CaptObviousman: that's a change in Apache 2.0 iirc [23:27] CaptObviousman: depends what you have set as document roots i think, wouldn't it? [23:27] kilasmurf, "du -sh amarok-1.4.10.tar.bz2" ----gives--> 13M amarok-1.4.10.tar.bz2 [23:28] Cryp71c: dwm is too small and too scrutinized to ever break =P [23:28] rworkman: well, it's not terribly important. I've got vhosts for every website on here [23:28] yeah, 13M [23:29] CaptObviousman: yeah, mky "workaround" was to set a "default" vhost pointing at my primary docroot :) [23:29] kilasmurf, did you install section "D" for developement section? [23:29] no? [23:29] agentc0re: the docroot is still pointing at /var/www/htdocs [23:29] so if I were to go to 127.0.0.1, it should show me the documents at /var/www/htdocs [23:29] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:29] but it doesn't, it shows me one of the vhosts. And I've seen it change depending on which vhost I visit first after rebooting httpd [23:30] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:30] whatever 'all' installs. is what i gots [23:30] Action: CaptObviousman is bothered by nondeterministic programs [23:31] kilasmurf, I have no idea [23:31] 'undeterministic... there has to be another synonym :) [23:31] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [23:31] the fact you cant even get the patch to patch, well dont know what to say [23:32] yeah man. im confoosdid [23:32] im tempted to have you ssh into my box [23:32] kilasmurf: ! [23:33] "Here's the keys to my house. My daughter's upstairs in her room doing homework." [23:33] got damn right [23:33] and shes fresh [23:33] Action: CaptObviousman facepalms [23:34] Action: TwinReverb successfully installed slamd64 and is impressed [23:35] TwinReverb: it's just like vanilla slackware, imagine that [23:35] almost like slackware was its upstream or something [23:40] ** iasl (variable IASL) not found! [23:40] :( [23:41] lw0x15: install acpica from slackbuilds.org [23:41] (i struggled with finding that package for a while...) [23:44] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: "leaving" [23:46] kilasmurf: --build=-slackware-linux looks like you problem [23:46] how are you running that build? [23:47] hackedhead: yeah done that already but still doesnt work [23:47] or either i installed it badly [23:48] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:48] spyware infected windows systems suck [23:48] lol [23:48] i want to bitch slap the person who came up with AntiVirus 360 [23:49] seriously. [23:49] hehe [23:49] i would bitch slap him [23:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] lw0x15: probably the latter =\ [23:49] kilasmurf: looks likr you build is not finding kde.options [23:49] is that what it is??? [23:49] I think so [23:50] you saw the pastebin? [23:50] yes [23:51] kde.options need to be i the directory above amarok [23:51] can i just make a copy of that? [23:52] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "when one asks where i am from i have to ask them to define from in respect to the question, as my answer is likely to vary" [23:52] yeah drop it in you amarok and edit the build [23:52] well i have it in /tmp/test/amarok. so i should drop it in /tmp/test? [23:52] yeah [23:53] heh, where is kde.options even? [23:53] find takes forever for me [23:54] cause so far it hasnt found it [23:54] source/kde [23:54] you know what though, i don't blame windows entirely. i blame stupid people [23:54] stupid people who just click things without using their critical thinking abilities [23:54] same place you found amarok [23:55] oh, i thought it was on my ssytemalready [23:55] nullboy: they are just to stupid to know better. [23:59] ok... run once more [23:59] |EC|Jackal (n=Owner@24.166.184.180) joined ##slackware. [23:59] aw shyt :) [23:59] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:59] :) [00:00] --- Fri Feb 6 2009