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[00:25] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:31] Plasmastar (Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: ~Probably Sleeping~ [00:32] Plasmastar (Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [00:36] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:36] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [00:37] hwk (~hwk@CPE-124-181-143-88.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:38] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:40] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:40] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:40] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:41] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Client Quit [00:41] is there a slackbuild called libglade2 hosted anywhere? [00:41] or is that part of a greater package? [00:42] epoch, did you search on slackbuilds.org? [00:42] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:42] isn't epoch on slackboy's ban list? [00:44] thumbs: should have been. [00:44] i was [00:44] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:44] we worked it out with rworkman [00:44] epoch: oh. [00:44] thanks for going off on a tangent. [00:44] hiptobecubic, i did, it wasnt there :( [00:44] lol. [00:46] it seems msfgui is dependant on libglade2 [00:46] Action: epoch curious if msfgui is prettiful [00:47] libglade2 gnome related? [00:47] probably [00:47] it's gtk+ if not specifically gnome [00:49] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [00:50] WallRat007 (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:51] wouldn't libglade2 not be: libglade-2.6.4 [00:52] THAT libglade i have on my system [00:53] msfgui spits out the error: [-] Error: LoadError no such file to load -- libglade2 [00:55] epoch: ldd msfgui [00:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:55] epoch: figure out what it's looking for and symlink libglade to that. [00:55] hwk (~hwk@CPE-124-181-143-88.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:56] msfgui.... [00:56] he should figure this out for himself [00:56] antiwire, why is that? [00:56] antiwire: haha, just found out what it is.. Metasploit. [00:57] antiwire: you're absolutely right. [00:57] so what? it's for penetration testing [00:57] i can use the command line perfectly fine [00:57] i just wanted to view the GUI [00:57] oh i get it, im a skRIpT kittIE trying to hax people to death [00:57] Action: epoch tips hat #ill figure it out myself [00:58] btw, msfgui is deprecated [00:58] http://boreditguy.com/blog/?p=128 [00:58] msfgui is not the primary method of controlling the framework. [00:58] http://urlg.in/1zm [00:59] epoch: If you at least took the time to read the project's documentation you would have seen this "* The msfgui interface is not actively maintained and is looking for a new community owner" [01:00] antiwire, you're a gentlemen and a scholar. [01:00] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:45] hey lappie users, which programs are you using in order to save power [01:45] like laptop_mode, etc. [01:48] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-16.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:48] croto (~dd@2001:470:1f07:744:290:4bff:fe49:6bc5) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:51] croto (~dd@2001:470:1f07:744:290:4bff:fe49:6bc5) joined ##slackware. [01:52] epoch: if antiwire was a gentleman and a scholar, would he be hanging around here? :) [01:56] i figured that was my best trollfood in the antifreeze solution. [02:02] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:07] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] StonedSlacker (1002@cpe-075-181-025-034.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:10] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:11] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:12] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:14] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.53) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:14] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:14] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] So, does anyone feel like helping me with this nic? I can modprobe tulip and it loads but no lights come on and mii-tool says no link. When I lsmod it shows tulip as not being used by anything. [02:16] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!root@* expired. [02:16] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:17] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:18] militant (~militant@173.81.61.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:19] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:20] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [02:21] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [02:22] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC3134C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:22] alisonken1home (~alisonken@71.104.224.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:23] alisonken1home (~alisonken@71.104.224.127) joined ##slackware. [02:26] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [02:28] Does the acer nplify 802.11b/g/draft-n work good? [02:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:28] y0 Cann0n [02:28] whats up fire|bird ? [02:28] Man, Fedora can burn in hell. [02:28] The #fedora is pure ca-ca [02:28] Cann0n: not much, you? [02:29] haha [02:29] Only reason I wanted to use it is because I heard it was the most stable distro with autodependecies... [02:29] Talking about confusing as balls... [02:30] Fedora most stable? I wouldn't say that at all. [02:30] It's a pain just to set the default keymap... I hate GUI's [02:30] Fedora is considered more bleeding edge, things can and will break. [02:30] Yeah, that's what I hread. most stable distro that relies on yum or apt-get [02:30] yeah. it sucks. [02:31] Cann0n: fwiw, I've been messing with openSUSE lately, it's quite nice and stable. [02:31] Does slack13 come with sbopkg? [02:31] No [02:31] sbopkg is seperate from sbopkg.org [02:31] I hear Suse works 100% out of box with this laptop [02:32] Cann0n: Which laptop, brand/model? [02:32] I need some sort of repository based package managment. I'm on dial up and been busy with school. [02:33] I have the acer aspire 5532, amd64 tf-20, ati radeon hd3200, acer nplify 802.11b/g/draft-n [02:34] cool, my lappy is HP zv6000, amd64 3200+, ati Radeon Xpress 200m, wifi is broadcom BCM4306 [02:34] :/ [02:34] i like the bcw4306 [02:34] that's what my other laptop has [02:34] pseudonymous (~icarus@nat-wireless.itu.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:34] bcm4306* [02:35] worked with like, 3 commands. [02:35] fedora releases with most stuff being -rc. gnome,xorg,kernels and other stuff [02:35] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC3124A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:35] this wifi card makes fedora crash often... [02:35] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-16.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:35] but dont know what happens later [02:36] Broadcom wifi cards suck regardless of OS [02:36] sahk0: hence why it's pure ca-ca. [02:36] LSD`: i don't think it sucks. it's better than the ath9k [02:36] imo [02:37] Cann0n: Given a choice between Atheros and Broadcom, I'd take the Atheros any day of the week. Intel spank the pair of them though. [02:37] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:38] LSD`: I dunno. Never had any issues with a properly setup bcm4306 [02:39] Even when you get them working, speed and range is pathetic [02:40] I'm on dial up right now. When I go to the campus or a public AP, it doesn't matter what it is, it's fast to me. [02:40] Anyone see a problem with running virtualbox via sudo? [02:40] I wish I had a friggin AP within 20 miles from my house. I really want to put slackware on this machine. [02:40] darkwurm, why would you [02:40] My sisters laptop had a Broadcom of some description in it to begin with. Best thing I ever did to it was replace that POS with an Intel 3945 [02:41] jeev: im doing the rawdrive thing, and I don't like the idea of changing permissions on the /dev/disk to make it work [02:42] This happens every time I want to try a new distro... I always land back at slackware no matter what. [02:43] I don't mean to interupt but is it normal for lspci to say a particular kernel driver is in use but lsmod to say that driver is not being used by anything? [02:44] lsmod only lists modules in use by other modules, right? If a module has no dependencies/dependents it'll say it's not in use regardless if software higher up has the hardware locked [02:44] StonedSlacker: not really, what driver? [02:44] tulip [02:45] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/b810Ap67.html [02:45] redtricycle (~redtricyc@174.133.21.106) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:45] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) joined ##slackware. [02:46] LSD: I thought maybe that was the case but thats just an assumption [02:46] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:47] I have tried two cards and I cant get either to work. [02:48] M1ck_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:48] I had one working for a minute, well I could ping locally, but that didnt last [02:49] Damn, I have ppl at the door. I appreciate the help. I'll no doubt be back and still working on this [02:50] ah darkwurm, i dunno [02:50] i never ever ever ever use sudo [02:50] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:51] +1 jeev [02:51] su ftw! [02:51] seriously [02:51] its a tossup 777 on a /dev/disk or sudo a application [02:52] I feel as though the sudo application is the safer bet [02:52] heh [02:52] ... [02:52] or more proper, elevate the app not loosen the restriction [02:53] if you don't jnow what you are doing, you shouldn't use either one. :) [02:53] grazymax (~grazymax@host147-153-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:53] s/jnow/know [02:53] Oh I know [02:53] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [02:54] I'm using a physical partition as a virtual disk so I can run my slack VM in another os on the same laptop [02:54] and as its a mac it gets even more complicated to run my native slack as a vm [02:54] ;) [02:55] I wish I had the slack13 dvd [02:55] im on fedora right now and it SUCKS [02:55] Only distro I like is Slack. [02:55] Cann0n: bittorrent is your friend [02:56] I'm on dial up. [02:56] I'll have to run to town and find an AP [02:56] Cann0n: buy one online, they'll mail it [02:57] maddwesty (~dsl@pool-173-76-221-165.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] I'm broke. [02:57] As much as I'd love to support slack, i cant. [02:57] got to a uni and ask someone to burn you one [02:58] darkwurm, use kvm [02:58] qemu-kvm [02:58] with osx as a host? [02:58] oh [02:58] :D [02:58] hehe [02:58] destroy the mac [02:58] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:58] bah [02:59] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-138-228.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:59] it has its uses [03:00] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:00] I prefer photoshop in osx to win and gimp... I don't wanna start a war but it's just not the same [03:00] why wont slackware setup install lilo correctly? it keeps messing up [03:00] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-50-66.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:01] maddwesty: its not lilo its you no offence [03:01] what did i do wrong? [03:01] LOL [03:01] maddwesty: where did you install it? [03:01] MBR? [03:01] maddwesty: My psychic powers don't extend that far [03:01] none taken btw [03:02] if i go through the entire install with it screwing up lilo it tries to boot grub which is the old boot loader [03:02] and nothing will happen [03:02] Nick change: deadlock -> deadlock`afk [03:02] cant even create a bootfloppy [03:02] lilo is about as mature code as you can find, just saying ;) [03:02] Where did you instal lilo? [03:03] err your grub is in mbr lilo on boot? [03:03] Clean your MBR, try again. [03:03] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [03:03] how do i clean my mbr? [03:04] mbr, a windows 98 disk [03:04] hahah [03:04] boot disk [03:04] lol [03:04] a windows 98 boot disk? [03:04] mother of god [03:04] who even has those anymore? [03:04] yeah, has a clean MBR option [03:05] floppy or cdrom? [03:05] that's the only way I know how to do it. [03:05] omfg [03:05] maddwesty: if you let windows near your mbr you deserve what you get [03:05] e formatting the first few bytes on your hd, but i forgot how to do that [03:05] i know i know [03:05] i just don't touch the MBR, problem solved. [03:05] why cant the linux do that for me [03:06] grazymax (~grazymax@host90-4-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:06] ya but im re doing my entire system with crackware [03:06] getting sick of ubuntu [03:06] wtf is crackware? [03:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-50-66.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:06] nickname for slackware lol [03:06] oh... [03:07] How experienced with linux are you? [03:07] no offense if ur offended if u were some dire hard linux fan [03:07] novice/amatuer. i've been messing with it on and off for years [03:07] Mykelti (~Mykelti@72.51.103.34) joined ##slackware. [03:07] ... 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[03:07] Mykelti (~Mykelti@72.51.103.34) joined ##slackware. [03:07] ox (~no_uid@189.71.10.47) joined ##slackware. [03:07] you summoned? [03:07] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:07] wat was that [03:08] stupid fucking bots [03:08] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: stupid fucking bots are pissing me OFF [03:08] I suggest reading a great deal about slackwarce before diving into it. [03:08] oh come on! at least someone talks to you! [03:08] i joined the marines for 4 years and lost alot of my computing knowledge [03:08] maddwesty: google removing grub from mbr [03:08] ox Mykelti grazymax toastytoast maddwesty mbohun glarb redtricycle kleanchap pseudonymous Cann0n alisonken1home foobarz darkwurm paul424 stybla Azeotrope StonedSlacker ilj dchmelik [03:08] croto acidtripper deadlock`afk ThomasLocke slackwarebob Rint__ Plasmastar alkos333 Rat409 corretico alisonken1noc King_Ozzy invictus timahvo1 byteframe chubs confusid hayaka fhobia [03:08] rworkman kuzmin pireau davi` cyb3r3li0g waabimiigwan acidkill nathanbw SlackNews fatalnix test34 web1109 errordeveloper Joker_-_ oobe theblackbox spmd epoch Skywise kloeri bgeddy [03:08] and install your lilo in /boot and you'll be fine [03:08] Reticenti mica Kaapa hcfd fuzzix dhabyx Agiofws Bartron dive Euthanatos chuck56 julm SIGBUS_ illovae snL20 nyRednek _guitarman_ paissad e01 simplex mario RaNdY nix_chix0r GooseYArd [03:08] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:08] ox (no_uid@189.71.10.47) left ##slackware. [03:08] IceChant|AFK cmeow slysyr F15ch3r eviljames Tyrael_ rapid Skaperen janemba Richlv PeanutHorst RJz0r emma brokedown thumbs MrZhi slackboy NaCl phrag Budd^ alicephilippa mshade linXea [03:08] .... [03:08] dTd lyminsk toast10101 agentc0re engrxyz hiptobecubic Scuzz jafnhar j0z C00re mindbendr shadowx Kamel looker jumperboy OpenSys v3gard JJJunkk mishehu slackmagic rk4n3 MOVNTDQA boojit [03:08] chess thrice` pragma_ jaskorpe petaflot CygnusX1 sitwon spook SpacePlod hackedhead sid77 zarock Alan_Hicks `dante` danklesman dermoth Kowalczyk gregsparc jareth_ Bugz zaltekk Urchlay [03:08] If you are having problebms this early, you might be in for a treat. [03:08] tmm1 raph0x88 manwichmakeameal dtanner fadein ikonia feinom icarus chopp AlexElliott__ Bugz_ Politics kitche_ gnrp TheTrash TClayton pupit rachael tewmten tank-man tanamo fosforo_ [03:08] RobDob marra XGizzmo_ Stx init[1] jailbox laj MrJacks0n lmao2k gartt erk urbank Dominian higuita panzer mirmillo KB1JWQ Xires Zordrak heaumer anavel giuppy LSD` juice jescis vbatts [03:08] What's the purpose of this? [03:08] acidtripper (~gonza@190.19.205.115) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:09] BP{k} ananke edman007 jdetring hoobop kslen XGizzmo ZMR PenPerk Shuren Tabmow Zosma straterra evilaz stunix kethry eldragon askhader mrpwnage fire|bird ph|ber wahooooo hackeron mac- [03:09] redtricycle, troll [03:09] Matt nooper DBAmethyst ardya alienBOB adaptr IrquiM_ tmkd crn_ konus felipe mag0o dngr raela tltstc MoZes EuroTrash mmlj4 plee Azalyn PiterPunk amazon10x yarvin alienBlurb ut NetrixTardis [03:09] oh [03:09] aceofspades19 packeteer Deiz acidchild pprkut StevenR Asmadeus Camarade_Tux signal11 Guest94133 dErFz Fleurety _slax0r_ Steaki bjqrn jgor metriccwrench jeev sadsfae CaptObviousman [03:09] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-122-26.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:09] wow [03:09] i thought maybe it was a buggy script [03:09] kick them [03:09] dude for real [03:09] If you are having problebms this early, you might be in for a treat. [03:09] nothing to see here folks [03:09] Mykelti (Mykelti@72.51.103.34) left ##slackware. [03:09] maddwesty: ms-sys is one way,but not at slackbuilds,its at sourceforge,or testdisk maybe [03:09] y0 Rat409 [03:09] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Quit: going home [03:09] i don't understand what the point of these spam bots is... [03:10] they're not even advertising anything. [03:10] hey fire|bird almost missed the excitement [03:10] spam is usually done for profit... [03:10] Don't let me discourage you. Slack was my first distro. [03:10] lol Azalyn lasiness. [03:10] so ur saying if i install windows 98 ill wipe my mbr then i can install slackware with lilo? [03:10] but what the hell is the point of this variety of spam... :| [03:10] you're doing windows 98? [03:10] No. [03:10] its easier i have the discs in the MSDN [03:11] Windows 98 has a boot disk thing [03:11] deadlock`afk (~no_uid@unaffiliated/deadlock) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:11] like a LiveCD, but called a Restore [03:11] it should have an option to fix mbr. [03:11] maddwesty: use a win98 boot-floppy or ultimate-bootcd,etc. [03:11] Rat409: haha, yeah. I was just looking around at KDE4 screenshots, look at this, that's conky: http://omploader.org/vM2Z0OQ [03:11] That's the only way I know how to do it. there are other ways. [03:12] fire|bird: looking [03:12] fire|bird: nice!, the lua rings? [03:12] bleh. KDE... [03:12] Rat409: that and the left side with the dates. [03:13] Slackware 13 dvd iso, ETA = 910 hours... [03:13] O.o [03:13] fire|bird: very nice :) [03:13] can i use a WINNT boot floppy? [03:13] like the install floppy? [03:13] Rat409: Tomorrows mission will be to figure out how to do that. :) [03:13] try it. [03:13] Cann0n: a mirror site will be a lot faster, maybe u know that [03:14] foobarz: he only has dial-up [03:14] foobarz: a 410800 baud dial up modem [03:15] a cell phone? o_O [03:15] I'd be pissed if i compared md5sums and realized they didn't match. [03:15] lol [03:15] just what i want to do at 3AM if sort through 1000000 floppy disks [03:16] floppies still exist? [03:16] fire|bird: arch branded but very nice http://sen7.deviantart.com/art/Conky-NightDrive-151418309 [03:16] StonedSlacker (1002@cpe-075-181-025-034.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:16] would a western digitial diagnostic disk work? [03:16] Rat409: oh wow, very nice indeed. [03:16] You can make a bootable CD or USB stick with DOS if al you want to do is run fdisk /mbr If you have a bootable Win98 CD then that'll work too (it boots a copy of the boot disk right from CD) [03:16] all sens stuff is awesome [03:17] Rat409: yeah, does great work. [03:17] I need slackware... [03:17] I might just drive out right now [03:17] i still have the install floppies for windows 3.1 [03:18] I still have all 11 manuals for my Apple IIe [03:18] i used my win95 floppies as drink coasters :) [03:18] +1 [03:18] I still have win 95 floppies [03:18] win 98 cd's make good ones too [03:18] And old wordperfect floppies [03:18] tank-man: was win95 really distributed as floppies also ? And if so, how many ? [03:18] King_Ozzy: Linux CDs too :P [03:18] Rat409: Looks great on a desktop too: http://sen7.deviantart.com/art/Screenshot-2010-01-22-151263206 [03:18] I nuked all my windows cds [03:19] 13 disks i think [03:19] hung them on the wall [03:19] salt, that's oldschool :D [03:19] King_Ozzy: indeed [03:20] SOUL_OF_R00T (l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [03:20] will my windows 95 setup boot disk work? [03:20] im actually running arch linux, but this channel is much friendlier :-) [03:20] I can't believe many of these modern distros like fedora and ubuntu discourage compiling custom kernels. [03:20] King_Ozzy: BOOOO! [03:20] or if i install DOS 6.1 [03:20] i retract that, lol [03:20] maddwesty: probably not. Worth a try though. [03:21] This chan is the best irc chan of all time [03:21] nice day to all [03:21] <3 slackers [03:21] People just don't get us. [03:21] I just installed 2.6.27.45 custom on my slackware 12.2 and applied the patches... things work good [03:21] Cann0n: meh, I got over the need to compile custom kernels years ago [03:21] I'm addicted to slack. I have a hard time using a computer that doesnt have it. I recently busted my laptop running 12.2. i was sad. [03:22] neWbiE2010 (~root@41.252.3.215) joined ##slackware. [03:22] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:22] neWbiE2010 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [03:22] doh >.< [03:22] oh snap, that's harsh [03:22] maddwesty: http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/ [03:22] writes a generic win mbr [03:22] LSD`: I prefer it. Having useless bmodluse laying around doesn't push my buttons [03:22] holy sshit i found a 98 floppy!!! [03:23] use from within linux [03:23] but when I get a new computer, I am going to install 13.0 fresh if I can, and then take a careful look at the .config to see the modern settings I should keep in there [03:23] Cann0n: yeah, mine too at one point. Then I realised teh amount of effort you have to put in to change that is less than the reward so I don't care enymore [03:24] how cleanly does slack upgrade from one release to another? [03:24] so all i gotta do is type fdisk /mbr? [03:24] at A: [03:24] LSD`: yeah. I wrote a quick script that made it real easy to edit the kernel [03:25] it ran xconfig, updated lilo, etc etc. [03:25] one command, a few clicks, and hit the save and close button. Bam. [03:25] Cann0n: At the end of the day, it's still not worth the effort. We aren't running with 4MB RAM antmore [03:26] yeah, im on 3GB [03:26] Only kernel changes worth doing IMHO is to add support or patches needed for running. Performance is neglible. [03:26] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:26] well i gotta crash. have fun guys. [03:26] I went through on a rainy day and disabled everything i didn't need. [03:26] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [03:27] night. [03:27] how'd that turn out? [03:27] So let me get this straight running windows 98 setup and fdisk will scrub grub from my mbr? [03:27] Cann0n: how do you even do that ? The no-brainer is to keep the things listed as currently loaded modules. But the stuff compiled and included in the kernel itself, how do you determine which of these things you need and which you don't ? [03:28] maddwesty: there is an option to clean the mbr. that is what you need to do in order to rid ubuntu's terd, which I mean grub in the mbr. [03:28] lol [03:29] pseudonymous: took me a few weeks to fine tune it. I knew what hardware I had, which helped a lot. [03:29] yesah it's fdisk something right? [03:29] my quick kernel config command helped. [03:30] As King_Ozzy asked though, what did you get out of it in the end ? Reduced ram usage ? If so, how much ? Extra performance ? What ? ;) [03:30] maddwesty: I think it's in there. try getting a dos prompt and type fixmbr [03:31] compiling your custom kernel isn't that hard as long as you know what drivers and features to compile in for your hardware, but there are so many options now, some of them are confusing to know if the system needs them or not [03:31] im at a dos prompt woith the win98 setup disk fixmbr dont work [03:31] fdisk /mbr will clear the MBR on a DOS disk. FIXMBR is an NT (specifically XP and up I believe) thing [03:31] Actually, for a 2.8 ghz running 512 ram (Compaq for ya) it helped a lot [03:32] LSD`: thanks for the correction. [03:32] so if i ran fdisk /mbr it shhould have already undone grubs evil doing? [03:32] I've only cleaned mbr twice, so i'm no expert. I just don't install things in the mbr. [03:32] p4 im guessing? [03:32] King_Ozzy: yep. [03:33] There are TONS of options that normally don't come active in stock [03:33] but I figure if I missed something, some feature will fail when I try it, then I can see message and recompile kernel with feature... i don't run into that problem tho [03:33] yah but slack wouldnt let me create a startup disk either [03:33] foobarz: It's not that it's overly difficult, it's that configuring, compiling, installing, editing the bootloader and so on is a fair amount of effort that you just don't get significant enough returns on to really make it worth while [03:34] LSD`: unless you're playing with grub2 in which case, it *is* kinda complicated ;) [03:34] foobarz: yeah, it happens, hence the quick kernel lol I just read down the list. [03:35] tons of options... [03:35] LSD`: my hard drive is small.. I think by compiling the kernel with just features I use, a lot less objects are sitting there on my disk, but I am not sure... the kernel is really huge now [03:35] like, fedora lijes cpu throttling. I don't EVER use it or prefer to use it. [03:35] nice it worked thanks [03:35] likes* [03:35] no operating system found [03:36] maddwesty: you should print out the slackbook. [03:36] foobarz: how small is small? 10GB or less? [03:36] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:36] maddwesty (~dsl@pool-173-76-221-165.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:36] Isn't the slackbook pretty outdated by now ? I think it was still describing 2.4 kernel compiling last I checked [03:36] maddwesty: this is the point where i reinstalled both times i ran into thtis problem. [03:37] might be able to make the partition the primary or w/e [03:37] pseudonymous: it covers 2.6 [03:37] Nothing in Slackware is out of date. [03:38] That's what makes it good. Cutting edge isn't always the best. [03:38] There's plenty about Slack that's out of date, but the way it sticks to its guns on those things is a good thing [03:39] Semi-agree.. There's some things I hate about slackware. Like the way multilib isn't incorporated by default and that I'm forced to download third party packages or try to rebuild gcc & friends with multilib support. That *really* should be included by default [03:39] My theory: Ubuntu, Fedora, and other automatic distos are made to beta test linux software faster, since millions bet crappy beta software and automatic bug reporting software... [03:40] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:40] I wish slackware came with all my favorite apps [03:40] Cann0n: you're definitely right about Fedora. It's basically Red Hats proving ground for RHEL. [03:40] like what, cann0n? [03:40] (I wish it came with strippers =) ) [03:40] isn't that in beta? [03:40] and fluxbox with all the options enabled so I don't cotta recompile it [03:41] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:41] Camarade_Tux: /usr/bin/strip ? [03:41] LSD`: :) I'm glad I'm not crazy to think that. [03:41] pseudonymous: :P [03:42] LSD`: it was a lot of work to configure... so many things in make menuconfig, and I didn't do make oldconfig like I should have to help me some [03:42] Alayna (~Alayna@host218-224.roberts.fit.edu) joined ##slackware. [03:42] penis xd [03:43] Alayna nitro25 Desiderius SOUL_OF_R00T Ephedrax grazymax toastytoast mbohun glarb redtricycle kleanchap pseudonymous Cann0n alisonken1home foobarz paul424 stybla Azeotrope ilj dchmelik [03:43] croto ThomasLocke slackwarebob Rint__ Plasmastar alkos333 corretico alisonken1noc King_Ozzy invictus timahvo1 byteframe chubs confusid hayaka rworkman kuzmin pireau davi` cyb3r3li0g [03:43] waabimiigwan acidkill nathanbw SlackNews fatalnix test34 web1109 errordeveloper Joker_-_ oobe theblackbox spmd epoch Skywise kloeri bgeddy Reticenti mica Kaapa hcfd fuzzix dhabyx [03:43] Channel flood from Alayna -- kicking [03:43] Agiofws Bartron dive Euthanatos chuck56 julm SIGBUS_ illovae snL20 nyRednek _guitarman_ paissad e01 simplex mario RaNdY nix_chix0r GooseYArd IceChant|AFK cmeow slysyr F15ch3r eviljames [03:43] Tyrael_ rapid Skaperen janemba Richlv PeanutHorst RJz0r emma brokedown thumbs MrZhi slackboy NaCl phrag Budd^ alicephilippa mshade linXea dTd lyminsk toast10101 agentc0re engrxyz [03:43] Alayna kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:43] Alayna (~Alayna@host218-224.roberts.fit.edu) joined ##slackware. [03:43] .... [03:43] Alayna (~Alayna@host218-224.roberts.fit.edu) left irc: K-Lined [03:43] ah, good =) [03:43] chubs (~chubs@c-71-233-150-243.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:43] King_Ozzy: lmms, medit, pcmanfm, leafpad, qcad, rosegarden, all the goodies for mplayer, and like... hundreds of deps including perl modules [03:44] i like medit for scripting, though I prefer vim for most editing [03:44] jeez [03:44] why Alayna was booted from ##slackware by slackbooy ? [03:44] theres more, but I can't remember what slackware comes with [03:45] but you're using slackware? [03:45] Cann0n: call me wierd, but I *love* the current package selection in Slackware and how *everything* which has to do with packages is awesome in slack. The full install has lots of good base software and if you miss something, you write a slackbuild *once* and you'll never have to worry about it again (well, except for editing the buildscript if anything changes in a big way) [03:45] mica: as the kick message said, because the Alayna flooded the channel. [03:45] same reason Chatty Cathy was taken out of toy stores. [03:45] s/because the/because/ [03:46] King_Ozzy: not on this laptop. [03:46] Sexy flood bot. I like me overclocking. [03:46] pseudonymous: yeah, with sbopkg, things got even easier [03:46] I love slackbuilds... [03:46] Cann0n: haven't even used that yet :) link ? [03:47] pseudonymous: sbopkg.org [03:47] wtf @#$%! is that Alayna >< [03:47] Oh man, you are in for a treat pseudonymous [03:48] <_guitarman_> speaking of sbopkg... where has chess griffin been these days [03:48] nice. I usually just go to slackbuilds.org directly, will check out. thanks guys [03:48] I dunno. Where is nix_chix0r? [03:48] I have been running an old style uniprocessor kernel for a long time... but how stable are all of your SMP kernels doing on systems like Core i7/5/3 ? Rock solid stable? [03:49] pseudonymous: sbopkg is almost like apt-get, but with sbo's [03:49] fire|bird: FYI mica == Intel[R]VT-x, a prolific troll [03:49] ignore him and eventually he gets bored [03:49] cann0n what do you use on this laptop? [03:49] Zordrak: ah, good to know, thanks. I remember him. [03:49] fire|bird: i love nick tagging scripts that track changes :) [03:49] Fedora. Been using it for 3 days... and I'm ready to throw it out of the window. [03:50] rofl [03:50] yeah i felt that way [03:50] The only thing needed with SBo was for it to officially pick a gnome distro so that buildscripts for software which relies on gnome could be submitted [03:50] Zordrak: lol, I should look into those a bit more, any recommendations? :) [03:50] same thing with opensuse [03:50] Cann0n: put it into perspective... i have to support silicon engineers working on Fedora Core 3 :) [03:50] I liked it at first. Everything worked of of box. this little by little, EVERYTHING about it started pissing me off. Like SELinux cray. [03:51] crap* [03:51] <_guitarman_> yeah - selinux annoys me [03:51] Cann0n: oh just wait until all the experimental stuff starts blowing up in your face ;) I can't remember how many fedora installs I've had where the package management tools themselves ceased to work :P [03:51] <_guitarman_> in some ways i prefer fedora to ubuntu [03:51] fire|bird: i use wu-nickcolor.pl its simple, but allows custom colouring and while active it watches for nick changes and follows with the colour.. so nick i dont recognise that shows up in red (bad colour) is someone bad who's changedh their nick [03:51] SELinux bugs me. [03:52] oh the pun :-p [03:52] then recompile the kernel without SELinux [03:52] Zordrak: Ah, I have that loaded already and have some set to a certain color, but aside from those few, everyone else is green. I should customize that a bit more I guess. :) [03:52] pseudonymous: lol. When I use yum on wifi, my kernel panics and locks up the entire system [03:53] mica: or just erase fedora. [03:53] hehehe :P Fedora really is the Windows of linux ;) [03:53] <_guitarman_> Cann0n: yikes. [03:53] SELinux: Yo dawg, we herd you cant secure yo box so we put security in yo security so you can get hacked while you get hacked [03:53] fire|bird: praps :) [03:54] Zordrak: It shall be a mission for tomorrow as it is 02:53 here and I need to get some sleep. :) [03:54] central timer :-p [03:54] fire|bird: indeed [03:54] Later everyone, take care. [03:54] <_guitarman_> slater fire|bird [03:54] King_Ozzy: lol, indeed. :) [03:54] later _guitarman_ :) [03:54] does EXT4 work good or should I stay with EXT3? what is the standard default filesystem on slackware current? [03:54] SELinux: HEY! You have 12 errors that could be violations. Click to view. 0 Alerts. No entries found. [03:54] see ya Cann0n [03:55] later dude [03:55] Zordrak: although I'm looking for something which can restrict which files a process can access and on linux, selinux looks the only solution [03:55] slackware requirements: "64MB RAM (1GB+ suggested)" quite the disparity there [03:55] <_guitarman_> foobarz: i been on ext4 and had no probs [03:55] <_guitarman_> foobarz: rather - i still am on ext4 [03:55] King_Ozzy: fluxbox and xterm. [03:55] <_guitarman_> foobarz: heheh soundded like i bailed on it in the first sentance [03:56] or rxvt [03:56] I like rxvt [03:56] fluxbox and xterm need that much? [03:56] foobarz: use ext4 [03:56] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [03:56] ##slackware: mode change '+o Stx' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [03:56] Camarade_Tux: meh.. run the process as a user and restrict the user's rights- [03:56] King_Ozzy: lol. no. kde4 with compiz needs 1 gig [03:56] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@72.51.103.34' by Stx!stx@freenode/staff/stx [03:56] whew.... [03:57] Cann0n: why in hell would you put compiz on KDE4? [03:57] does ext4 support filesystem extending like ext2 and ext3 does? [03:57] foobarz: yes [03:57] there is no "KDE with compiz" afaik, it does compositing itself (as will GNOME3 apparently) [03:57] Zordrak: I wouldn't... but the noobs tend to think the 3d cube helps with their multitasking. [03:57] can i name my gnome David? [03:57] LSD`, metacity has compositing. [03:57] #slackware ban list will be longer than the kernel sources which are 40 million lOC. [03:57] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@host218-224.roberts.fit.edu' by Stx!stx@freenode/staff/stx [03:58] Cann0n: .... KDE4 does cubism without compiz.. has its own compositor [03:58] Well damn. [03:58] The only reason I use compiz is because X is infinitely worse without it than with it [03:58] I've only used kde3 and lower [03:58] <_guitarman_> i like kde but i always go back to xfce [03:58] darkwurm (~dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [03:58] Cann0n: upgrade time. [03:58] mica: one line per troll. Does that say anything about Slackware? Or about the trolls? [03:58] So, excuse the doofusness [03:58] doofusity? [03:59] byteframe: there was talk about moving away from that in GNOME though. I can't quite recall the details, I only gave the article a passing glance [03:59] Zordrak: naw. I love Fluxbox, though I friggin hate mark. [03:59] mica_ (~chatzilla@124.43.125.212) joined ##slackware. [03:59] can I run KDE4 without any kind of compositing or 3d stuff? I just want KDE4 (when I upgrade to it) to do plain old 2D desktop fast [03:59] Cann0n: yeah.. that guy's an asshole [03:59] King_Ozzy: lol that works. It's a new distro that runs all beta software [03:59] foobarz: yes [03:59] Two weeks of fluxbox was enough for me. Never again. [03:59] rofl [04:00] Zordrak: only solution I can see but I'd like the process to be able to write into _one_ folder in the user-in-front-of-the-machine's home, I'd like something finer-grained than users [04:00] <_guitarman_> foobarz: yeah - you can turn a bunch of that stuff off [04:00] Cann0n: openbox? =) [04:00] Oh man, fluxbox can be nice if you know how to set it up. I mean, i go all out. i'll run xfce-mcs-manager in the background [04:00] Nope. I hate openbox. [04:00] Cann0n what will you switch the laptop to? [04:00] Stx: why the ban btw? [04:00] King_Ozzy: Slack 13 [04:00] I don't want to have my X loaded with compositing modules or anything... I just want plain OpenGL applications ability only [04:01] Stx: if both were for Alayna, he's been k-lined [04:01] foobarz: it has a toggle [04:01] Happens every tihem I try to change distros... I end up going back no slackware with fluxbox. lol [04:01] foobarz: turn it off or on with a shortcut [04:01] cann0n why you hate openbox? [04:01] Simple WMs in general tick me off now. They're a case of "How do I do X? Oh, the developer cut that in order to 'minimalist'" >_< [04:01] Cann0n: why on earth did you install Fedora anyway ? [04:01] ##slackware: mode change '-o Stx' by Stx!stx@freenode/staff/stx [04:01] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-87-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:02] <_guitarman_> Cann0n: ditto on coming back to slack [04:02] mica (~chatzilla@124.43.33.215) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:02] Cann0n: if you need enterprise version then install Scientific Linux [04:02] openbox doesn't do X? [04:02] that is clone of RH [04:02] Camarade_Tux: Because when the kline expires, I still dont want them in here. [04:02] King_Ozzy: I like fluxbox's title bar the best. I also hate how OB doesn't come with a bar [04:03] tint2 [04:03] if I enable all the fancy compositing or opengl stuff (whatever it all is) in KDE4, will I see my CPU use rise up all the time? [04:03] King_Ozzy: I meant X as in "random feature that should be there but isn't because the developer refuses to join the 21st century where computer hardware is cheap and we don't need to scrape by with less than necessary" [04:03] Nick change: mica_ -> mica [04:03] <_guitarman_> Cann0n: although crunchbang is on my asus eeepc and it has stayed - its quite nice [04:03] pseudonymous: I heard it was dependable... Never tried itp I tried RH5.1 back in the dayp [04:03] Stx: I would have expected the k-line not to expire that early (I get your point, I'm just curious ;-) ) [04:04] _guitarman_: yeah, I've tried leaving slack behind like... 50 times in my life. Never works. [04:04] foobarz: do you use XXA in four xorg.conf? [04:04] Cann0n: dude.. quit fighting. quit TRYING to leave [04:04] <_guitarman_> Cann0n: yup - got to run slack on something at all times... its a rule. [04:04] well, i can't totally kick winders [04:05] heh, I can't even remember the last time I ran Slack on anything [04:05] Action: Zordrak hands LSD` his coat [04:05] Has anyone tried compiling gcc etc to enable multilib in Slack x86_64 themselves ? [04:05] Zordrak: I know... I should stop cheating on her... I think I'm done though. All distros suck compared to slack. I just can't use another one. [04:05] Cann0n: my X config is basic right now, on KDE 3.5.10 with nvidia driver... no compositing or advanced modules [04:05] Action: King_Ozzy hides [04:06] Action: Cann0n throws a rock at King_Ozzy [04:07] Action: King_Ozzy cowers [04:07] Cann0n: funny.. if we *were* talking about women the sucking part would be a plus. [04:07] theres always one... [04:08] foobarz: im a little tense about getting new computer and trying to install a new slackware 13.0... it has been like 10 years since I have done a new build and install! [04:08] It's ok. Windows has it's uses... The trash containers an that episode of Firefly where that red head chick scams her ex-hubby was running windows... [04:08] Cann0n: that msg was for you [04:08] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [04:08] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [04:08] LOL [04:09] pseudonymous: well, i'd be with windows more because windows blows much more than any other Os... and I love bjs. [04:09] foobarz: LOL yeah. [04:09] but i gotta have my windows fix >.< [04:09] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@207.81.93.133) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:10] Cann0n: ya, Windows is such a nympho [04:10] Cann0n: I have lots of newbie questions in a way... I am afraid a new computer is going to be buggy [04:10] I don't see a reason for cutting edge software. I liked Vuze back when it was Azereus, Saome with Amarox. The early stages were better [04:10] foobarz, haven't i seen you in another channel? [04:11] foobarz: yeah, thats a risk you gotta take. [04:11] King_Ozzy: maybe. I am in some others [04:11] Do a bit of research. [04:11] foobarz, arch? [04:11] foobarz: if you're afraid of the new HW and how it'll perform, consider swinging by phoronix.com they have a lot of HW reviews [04:11] I bought this laptop. At BestBuy, I looked up the hardware. [04:12] foobarz: that is, HW reviews when running Linux. [04:12] pseudonymous: I have looked at that site some [04:12] as long as the video card has full 3d support and the wifi works, i'll buy it. [04:13] i wish there was a wine for 64bit [04:13] that's another issue i'm having... [04:13] King_Ozzy you have to make slackware 64bit multilib. AlienBoB has a guide up for it I think [04:13] first 64bit pc [04:13] I might try to stick with it... but i dunno yet. [04:14] Problem is, I'd rather compile the packages myself (so I'm not depending on him to update the packages every now and then).. If someone manages that, write a guide [04:14] i'll just istall 32bit slack like the good old days [04:15] Guide to getting slackware x86_64 to run 32bit binaries (and do 32bit compiles) -- that is, turning slackware x86_64 multilib -- http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [04:15] what is really gained by running the 64-bit slackware? [04:15] i don't feel like doing multilib :-p [04:15] foobarz: not much, really. Unless you really need access to more than 4GB of RAM it's not worth the trouble [04:16] Apart from it becoming an inevitable necessity at some point ? ;) [04:16] pseudonymous: at which point the teething problems will be well and truly sorted out [04:17] LSD`: if my new computer has 8GB of ram, slackware 32-bit will only use 4GB of it? [04:17] In truth though, it's more like. If you have more than 3 gigs of ram. 32bit has a 4gig adressing space *in total* and some adresses will be lost to PCI ports, 3D card ram etc etc [04:18] foobarz: less in general use due to the need to reserve part of it for system use. There are ways around that, but if you don't need it they aren't worth it. [04:19] why don't you want 64bit? [04:20] King_Ozzy: it still introduces complications that if you don't need it, aren't worth bothering with [04:20] the 64-bit system are the future, kinda like when things went from 16-bit DOS to 32-bit? [04:21] I really wish I had a slack disk right now [04:21] shit. it's late as piss. [04:21] such as? [04:21] foobarz: yeah, but it took years for either of those transitions to be be fully complete [04:21] night guys [04:21] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:21] good night [04:21] night [04:22] LSD< what complications? [04:22] King_Ozzy: the multilib mess, for one [04:22] I use wine for foobar2000. I guess that becomes complicated on 64-bit :( [04:22] what else is multilib needed for? [04:23] You need multilib for: 1) compiling 32bit software 2) running 32bit software. It's that simple [04:23] i thought foobar was linux native [04:23] but I don't need foobar2000 that bad [04:23] King_Ozzy: in scandinavia: spotify [04:23] i don't think im running anything 32 bit on my 64bit comp [04:23] foobar2k is windows-only and closed-source ='( [04:24] Of the two machines I run anything even remotely resembling a 64 bit OS on, neither really needs it. They just ended up running 64 bit because it was a change made upstream or I thought it'd be cool to try 64 bit [04:24] what program is good for MP3 and FLAC file tagging on linux, that is easy like foobar2000? foobar2000 had a good "legacy" tagging mode that I used [04:26] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:27] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:27] so I need to use 64-bit slackware or else half my 8GB of memory will be wasted, it is that simple a conclusion? [04:27] foobarz: yes [04:27] A bit more than half, but yes [04:28] foobarz: it'll probably end up being wasted either way (if you aren't using it, you're wasting it) so it doesn't really matter [04:28] on 32bit, it'll be completely inaccessible [04:29] but it will get used for buffers and cache and make things run really smooth if the system uses the memory [04:29] LSD`: aside from turning slack into multilib, which is only really needed to run wine, skype and other commercial 32bit-only software. There's no problems with a slackware 64bit install, so why not just use it ? [04:30] pseudonymous: why use it if you don't really need it? [04:30] Hell, you can run a 32bit virtual pc for 32bit SW if you're too lazy to go multilib. After all, you have 4gb extra ram to spend [04:30] ram wont be wasted on 32bit if you compile highmem into kernel [04:31] pseudonymous, but does Skype wok properly behind a VBox? [04:31] but all things considered, if you can go 64bit its better to do so in general, because its the future [04:31] mario: PAE is a hopeless kludge and is best avoided [04:31] true [04:31] Virtualbox can take control of USB units directly so you can always end up with a USB headset - that will work for sure [04:31] StonedSlacker (1002@cpe-075-181-025-034.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:32] i thought virtualization and voice is not the best mix, did you try skype on virtual pc ? [04:32] pseudonymous, no i'm referring more to skype itself and the v4l kernel space [04:32] 3works fine [04:32] i.e. can anyone CONFIRM it works? [04:32] I will probably go 64-bit slackware, I guess... I want 8GB to work [04:33] i even used skype to make a minicom call using a virtual minicom and a virtual audio cable all in WinXP under VBox [04:33] multilib is not hard to install and it works fine tho [04:34] ok, can someone please confirm that running slackware 64 bit and vboxing slackware 32 bit with skype works? [04:34] I only have 4GB here and don't use enough of it to miss the part that's missing or would be missing due to 32 bit limitations [04:34] Action: Delahunt wonders how specific he's going to have to be [04:36] so, with something like virtualbox I can make a logical volume with LVM and have virtualbox install slackware 32-bit? [04:36] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:36] Delahunt: \ [04:37] slackware 32-bit virtualbox would run it a window on my screen, or does it go fullscreen? [04:37] Delahunt: nope. I haven't tried it yet. But basically, if you use a USB headset it *will* work [04:38] foobarz: why not just make a partition for 32 if its that important [04:38] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.86.46.216) joined ##slackware. [04:38] StonedSlacker (1002@cpe-075-181-025-034.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:38] or just keep one of each like i do: one slackware64, one slackware32 (both with LUKS and LVM, easier than it sounds) [04:39] hi guys o/ [04:39] phrag, welcome back 8-) [04:40] hm.. I suppose I can install slackware 32 and 64 in their own root partitions, but have them both mount the same /home directory? and I can dual boot? [04:41] yes [04:41] mine is set up like this: one common /boot due to LUKS, but then a huge LUKS partition with LVM on it, and the LVs are slack, slack64, swap, home [04:42] just make sure your kernels don't clobber (i can confirm on slackware 13 and slackware64 13 they do not) [04:42] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) joined ##slackware. [04:44] so far the only program i noticed that has issues is freeciv (you lose your settings but not your games) [04:44] Delahunt: I might try to do that kind of setup then, and then later some day the slack32 will be useless, then it's volume can be feed and added the slack64 or home later [04:44] and flash technically but that's because firefox is looking for libflashplayer.so etc [04:45] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:45] foobarz, exactly 8-) [04:45] greetings ;) [04:45] hows things guys? Weekend is near yuupiiiii ;) [04:46] jesus died so you wouldn't have to use flash ;) [04:47] WWJD? JWUS. [04:47] darkwurm, but that would imply Jesus failed which is not possiblee 8-P [04:47] you dont know that ... [04:47] Action: Delahunt is STARVING [04:48] ok no one seems interested so i [04:48] m going to soba alone [04:48] adios [04:48] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:50] SOUL_OF_R00T_ (l00l@187.1.234.65) joined ##slackware. [04:51] e_dbus%configure%cannot%encounter%eina-0%lib%and%cannot%work%help [04:52] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-122-26.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:52] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-122-26.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:52] does KDE4 use a lot more memory than KDE 3.5.10 ? [04:53] SOUL_OF_R00T (l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:54] foobarz: 3% less actually [04:54] that is nice [04:54] er [04:54] 39% [04:54] so KDE4 uses a tiny about of memory, assuming it is not leaking... does it leak? [04:54] foobarz: #kde [04:55] ah.. ok [04:55] e_dbus configure cannot encounter eina-0 lib and cannot work help??? [04:55] in #KDE they will say it doesn't leak I bet [04:55] *shrug* [04:55] bugs.kde.org :) [04:58] it takes just one bad KDE component or something and then your memory fills up... I had something leaking memory before and it makes a computer run bad... but my current configuration is seems really good with memory not leaking [04:58] if it had a major problem, we wouldnt be using it. [04:59] my application memory use like like under 300MB right now and it stays there unless I open a PDF file something else [05:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:00] uh.. yeah.. im done with this [05:00] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [05:01] SOUL_OF_R00T_ (l00l@187.1.234.65) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [05:02] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:16] if that comes relatively quick... ill visit straight away ;) [05:16] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:16] you still in ncl? or did you change places ? [05:17] still here =) [05:17] don't want to leave tbh [05:18] why is that? [05:18] mafas ...etc [05:18] or are you being a patriot ;) [05:18] i like it here [05:19] haha, truth is i liked it there as well ;) [05:19] I have tried everything I can google or think of and still no luck. I even disabled the onboard nic and put both pci cards in because I read that that was the simplest way to do it, but the results were the same. lspci shows tulip as the module and says it's in use but I cant get crap. I will glady sacrifice the animal of your choosing to who ever can help me. [05:20] Plasmastar (Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: :| [05:20] StonedSlackwer: I don't know what you're talking about, but if you sacrifice a human I'll definitely look into it :) [05:21] pseudonymous: It just so happens I have a couple humans I am willing to do that with. What I'm trying to do is install a second nic. [05:22] Ok, and the problem is ? It defaults to the onboard nic ? [05:23] StonedSlacker: cant you blacklst tulip? [05:23] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!root@* expired. [05:23] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:23] seb6896 (~seb@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:23] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:23] Ya, if it's just the module, add a line like "blacklist tulip" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [05:23] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:24] Okay, so I put the card in do ifconfig -a and there it is. When I do ifconfig again to assign it an ip then try to ping something I get nothing. [05:24] Zordrak: I didnt consider trying that. You think maybe it's 'cock blocking' the better driver. [05:25] difficult to say [05:25] worth a shot [05:26] StonedSlacker: sometimes you need to unload a module and load it back in. I have to do that to my wireless card to get config changes to "stick" [05:26] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [05:26] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 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[05:34] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.86.46.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:34] tulip is the module the kernel picks [05:35] soo.. blacklist tulip [05:35] Im gonna add the tulip explicitly and try it, what the hell [05:36] Does modprobe reread the conf file everytime or do I need to restart something else [05:36] ? [05:37] Don't know, actually. [05:40] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.91.3) joined ##slackware. [05:41] humm, well now I dont know which module to name when I modprobe. Also I looked at my output from lspci and noticed that under kernel module is still says tulip, even though it's not loaded [05:50] pseudonymous (~icarus@nat-wireless.itu.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:54] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-224-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [05:57] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@72.51.103.34 expired. 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[06:15] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.25.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:17] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [06:20] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:20] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:20] I remember when I had to do some crazy things to get tulip.o to insert [06:21] crazy is the best things ;) [06:21] pseudonymous (~icarus@nat-wireless.itu.dk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:24] seb6896 (~seb@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [06:25] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.70.2) joined ##slackware. [06:27] i remember when i last used tulip... must have been 1998 [06:30] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:32] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. 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[06:44] Nick change: 40FAAB7N8 -> Plasmastar [06:53] 31NAABNJ3 (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: SHellium.org Free bnc Free eggdrop [06:56] pseudonymous (~icarus@nat-wireless.itu.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:59] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [07:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:05] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [07:07] phrag: ping [07:08] if (phrag == "there") {pm The-Croupier}; message when back; fi ;) [07:13] Action: GooseYArd yawns [07:13] Plasmastar (Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: "Hopping" over to a ZNC [07:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] darkwurm (~dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:18] darkwurm (~dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [07:19] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:20] pseudonymous (~icarus@nat-wireless.itu.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:22] Doest fortune have some measure to not be redundant? [07:23] Or does it just choose things randomly? [07:27] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [07:28] at random [07:28] for more details, read its manpage [07:29] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:30] I rarely seem to get the same quote twice [07:30] or ever, rather [07:30] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Client Quit [07:33] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:34] it's because the quote database is really big [07:38] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:40] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:42] "fortune -s" :) [07:42] err [07:42] fortune -o [07:43] that one [07:46] [msorlin@CZ98C1J ~]$ fortune -s [07:46] Man who falls in vat of molten optical glass makes spectacle of self. [07:46] so true [07:46] doh! [07:48] StonedSlacker (1002@cpe-075-181-025-034.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:52] ahaha [07:53] Incorrigible punster -- Do not incorrige. [07:53] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dpbieaguqzsrkhsl) joined ##slackware. [07:55] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [07:56] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-244-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:56] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.210.196) joined ##slackware. [07:59] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [07:59] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.210.196) left irc: Client Quit [08:01] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:07] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.107.93) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Is there any way I could make aterm read my .bashrc? (My xterm reads it, but not aterm) [08:09] maybe anyone knows is it possible, lets say, i install something which contains of 2 cd [08:09] 1 cd i have [08:09] second is in hdd iso [08:10] and after i get a request to insert 2nd cd, is it possible somehow to mount it so it would appears as cd from cdrom? [08:11] Asido, mount /path/to/file.iso -o loop=/mnt/cdrom [08:11] if anything more special is needed then man mount :) [08:11] gartt, does "aterm -e /bin/bash" work? [08:12] Nick change: davi` -> cybErpunk [08:12] nessundorma: It gives: bash: \033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME%%.*}:${P WD/$HOME/~}\007: bad substitution [08:13] ouch! well, at least it reads .bashrc, it seems ;) [08:13] gartt: aterm does not do this; your bash scripts do. [08:14] adaptr: I don't quite understand- aterm always read .bashrc changes [08:15] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.91.1) joined ##slackware. [08:15] gartt: since when does a terminal emulator have influence on the scripts run inside it ? [08:15] the bash scripts do things depending on the console they're run from [08:16] it usually checks for at least the presence of a PTY or $XTERM [08:16] guax, isn't what you wrote the same as mount -o loop *.iso? [08:16] pfuu [08:16] mount -o loop *.iso /mnt/cdrom? [08:16] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:16] *.iso? o.O [08:16] whats wrong? :P [08:17] why are you using wildcards? [08:17] you mount one ISO in one place [08:17] you cannot (normally) mount more than one thing all in the same one place [08:17] i know. with * i mean the name of iso :) [08:17] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:17] has anyone here used zotac mini ITX motherboards before? [08:17] ah [08:18] Skywise, how much do they sell for? [08:18] Asido, yes, mine was wrong [08:18] adaptr: I'll do some thinking, thanks [08:18] mount -o loop *.iso /mnt/cdrom that might work [08:18] guax, well, then it doesn't work [08:18] newegg has one for $100 [08:18] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-110-118.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:18] Asido, let me try [08:18] socket am2+ [08:18] guax, inserted cd in cdrom doesn't apppear in mnt/cdrom directory [08:19] Skywise, for $170 you can get a netbook. at that point they're almost the same thing, but i'm not sure. what are your specific needs? [08:19] with geforece 8200 integrated graphics [08:19] atom-based netbooks are slow [08:19] sorry, have been looking at them, just included to much I dont need, looked nicer than the intel atom boards though [08:19] Asido, it works [08:19] i'm trying to put togther some compact lamp boxes [08:19] :| [08:19] root@trantor:/mnt/data/os/msdn academic# mount en_winxp_pro_with_sp2.iso /mnt/cdrom/ -o loop [08:20] Skywise: for lamp you hardly needs a 8200 gfx card :) [08:20] guax, i mean this way of installing the soft doesn't work :) [08:20] -o should technically follow mount [08:20] oh :P [08:20] a phenom x4 with an ssd is the primary setup [08:20] Skywise, why that graphics card with LAMP? [08:20] rachael, but those things aren't a choice when they're integrated [08:21] it would make a nice htpc as well [08:21] Skywise: any of the intel boards with a dual atom cpu should do the trick [08:21] maybe anyone tryed to install diablo2 with wine? [08:21] Skywise, do you own a car? [08:21] i was thining about going that way as well [08:21] yeah [08:21] Skywise, do you own health insurance? [08:21] wheres this going? [08:21] just checking 8-P [08:22] Action: Delahunt was thinking about an online poll with 2 questions: do you own an ipod? do you have health insurance? 8-) [08:22] Skywise: well 8200 doesnt offer h264 acceleration as far as I know so not that good for a htpc [08:23] but that mb has gigabit ethernet and 3g sata [08:23] thats what i was really interested in [08:24] Delahunt: yes/yes :) [08:24] 8-) [08:24] there aren't alot of itx amd motherboards [08:25] cry me an iRiver 8-) [08:26] Skywise: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186184&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Motherboard+/+CPU+/+VGA+Sets-_-Foxconn-_-13186184 a little cheaper but seems you need to buy 5 of them [08:26] anyone familiar with jetway motherboards? [08:26] well i was going to buy 4, 5 would be ok too [08:27] always good to have a spare mb around [08:28] only issues I have had with those atom based boards was some of them where build with not too common realtek nics , had a few customers that where unable to get their os of choise to work with it, as they coudlnt compile the drivers [08:29] yeah, i was checking out those wall plug atom [08:29] i forget their name [08:29] but they're like $90 [08:30] not thinking of the shiva arm based ones ? [08:30] sheevaplug [08:31] mybad :) [08:31] thats it [08:31] i'd like to just setup a basket of them at my co-location [08:32] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:32] when I look at the mess of cables here, I am not sure that having such small machines and then some massstorage haging of the usb would be such a good ideer [08:33] well, what would be ideal is if it had dual gigabit ports and could setup a back plane and a nas [08:34] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:34] oh yeah [08:34] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.70.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:35] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:36] escaflown (~elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [08:36] escaflown (elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. 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I have finaly caught up with the rest of the world baybee [09:17] morning freaks and geeks [09:18] dtanner, how much do you pay per month? [09:18] 20 bucks [09:18] i'm on fiber for that much in japan [09:19] lucky you .. see in the US we have a policy .. lets let everyone think they have the best and lie to the people constantly. It is an age old process. [09:19] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:19] that's just marketing hype [09:19] lol [09:19] of course [09:20] it is also government policy on every issue [09:20] they go hand in hand [09:20] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] i've been paying $100/mo for 6/1.5 for years now [09:20] Axius (~hi@92.84.27.201) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:20] no chance in hell of getting upgraded, its dsl [09:20] you want more speed you pay more money [09:21] im paying $80 for 16/1.5 [09:21] this rocks , i want to download slackware64 and see how fast it goes . what are some fast mirrors? [09:21] oops 89 [09:21] ananke: you still have your mirror? addy please. ==) [09:21] dtanner, how does government policy matter to what an ISP can offer? [09:21] Action: Delahunt was getting 2MB/sec almost 3 from kernel.org [09:21] Delahunt: a lot. the government controls eveything whether we, the people, want to believe it or not. [09:22] when i first got it, it was top of the line, but adsl2 prices are crazy and they only increase download, not upload speed [09:22] dtanner, pfft how the hell do they have enough of a clue to control that much? 8-) [09:22] and you think WE have too much faith in the government? 8-) [09:22] they have plenty of clues. i worked ina central office for 20+ years. they were in our shit and up in our business al the time , it is called hte FCC [09:22] its not the gov't policy, its the execs determined to wring out as much profit out of each iteration of technology they can [09:23] euklides_ (~chatzilla@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] and theeecs are tied to some politician or lobbyist somewhere [09:23] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:23] the exes* [09:23] they'd never leap over some incremental improvement they could charge for [09:23] pfft whatever [09:23] #slackware-conspiracy [09:23] your blinded by the light [09:23] echo 0 > /sys/ananke/mind/policies/conspiracy [09:23] illovae (~C-18@unaffiliated/illovae) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:23] er sorry ananke [09:24] s/ananke/dtanner/ [09:24] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:24] dTd (dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left ##slackware. [09:24] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [09:25] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:25] Action: Delahunt will never believe that any man-made system, or any system that has human beings in it for that matter, is all-knowing or all-powerful [09:26] why would it have to be so hyperbolic [09:26] progress doesn't happen on its own [09:26] Delahunt: you clearly don't know me [09:26] because it's not hypobolic? 8-) [09:26] Skywise: exactly , that is why we can't get fibre for 2o bucks a month , it costs a lot mroe than that here and is only in select places. anyways this doesn't belong in this channel. and yes I believe JFK was a total conspiracy. lincoln too. [09:26] Kaapa: snicker [09:27] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [09:27] isBEKaml (keml@122.174.164.136) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:28] it all boils down to this "money talks and bullshit walks" and where is all the money? EOF [09:28] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-244-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:28] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-244-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Action: Delahunt plays Pink Floyd Take It Back at 480p seamlessly on YouTube [09:29] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.86.46.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:31] i'm listening to donald fagen - kamakiriad - tea house on the tracks flac encoded [09:31] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.13.117.150) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:31] Action: Delahunt will have all of pink floyd flac encoded when he owns all their CDs ... soon [09:32] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.59.22.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:32] i have all their old cds, from back when they were new [09:32] delicate sound of thunder, a momentary laspe of reason, dark side of the moon, the wall [09:33] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.86.46.216) joined ##slackware. [09:33] such an interesting band [09:33] they just record jam sessions [09:33] i'm sure every album is from one party or another [09:34] um not based on what you read in old guitar magazine interviews [09:34] i'm just saying each album is a trip [09:34] "whats rock and roll without q little feedback" [09:35] gilbert owns a boat house that's a floating recording studio [09:35] ok i get what you're saying now [09:35] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [09:35] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:35] euklides_ (~chatzilla@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115132715] [09:36] euklides_ (~chatzilla@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [09:36] and the wall was one hell of a trip, that must of been epic [09:36] kuzmin (~macius@i209-195-77-94.cia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:36] yeah definitely [09:37] although fwiw i'm a huge fan of the division bell. with what was going on in my life at the time it will always bring back bitter sweet memories whenever i play it [09:37] and the funny thing is i can't talk about it due to where i was at [09:37] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:38] funny how songs can form those indelible markers in the past [09:38] is slackware a "one-man show" is is it really made by a team of people? [09:38] dude, it comes from the stars [09:38] anyone who doubts there is a spiritual plane of existence must not get music [09:38] huh? [09:38] foobarz, patrick is the man, and he has helpers but he's still "the man" [09:38] patrick only channels the energy from the stars [09:38] foobarz, alienBOB and rworkman are some of his minions [09:39] foobarz: Every study Greek Mythology? It came from Zues. [09:39] he's but a vessel [09:40] because the other distros got bloated and crazy, the universe sought balance and forced the creation of slackware [09:40] Zeus [09:40] haha [09:40] Action: ardya rolls his eyes [09:40] is the linux kernel a one-man show too? [09:40] yes [09:40] gartt: I obviously didn't study Green Mythology. [09:40] The-Croupier (The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [09:40] linus rules them all [09:40] Grek* [09:40] not in the same sense [09:40] but whatever [09:40] Ok... I can't type today. [09:41] I'm gonna go to the kitchen and find out why. [09:41] I thought Chuck Norris had something to do with Slackware [09:41] s/today// [09:41] they're forged in the same process [09:41] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-224-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: see ya [09:42] chuck norris just opens the computer and it forms the perfect OS for him ... we call it Slackware 8-) [09:42] Action: euklides_ gets round-house kicked by Chuck Norris [09:42] my favorite story is [09:42] chuck norris ordered a big mac in a burger king and got one [09:43] haha [09:43] s/story/joke [09:44] you won't catch me telling chuck norris jokes, he might get the wrong impressino [09:45] "chuck norris does not wear condoms because there is no protection from chuck norris" [09:45] Chuck Norris went through a thousand electric razors trying to trim his beard. [09:46] that was when he was born [09:46] i think my favorite is "chuck norris can divide by zero" [09:46] Before he came out of the womb, which was actually just his beard. [09:46] How does that work? [09:46] Cann0n, no, he must round-house kick himself in the face because the only thing that can cut chuck norris IS chuck norris [09:46] Delahunt: lol. [09:46] what is a good Chuck Norris movie? I don't think I own his movie [09:46] urso_ze_colmeia (~urso_ze_c@189.107.111.218) joined ##slackware. [09:47] foobarz: Sidekick. [09:47] watch some walker: texas ranger [09:47] Yeah, on Texas Ranger, he sniffed out a girl that was burried alive in the desert... [09:48] musta been her time of the month [09:48] Amazing smelling abilities... One of Infinity abililties CN has. [09:49] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [09:49] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.13.109.87) joined ##slackware. [09:49] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.59.22.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: lewnidas_ [09:49] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:49] that Sidekicks (1992) movie only gets 4.0/10 rating on imdb... not so good [09:49] the true story is chuck norris was a USAF cop who went to south korea and studied martial arts there [09:52] i heard he taught the guy who taught the karate kid [09:52] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:53] foobarz: he wan in dodge ball [09:53] s/wan/was [09:53] i don't think so but i could be wrong [09:53] urso_ze_colmeia (~urso_ze_c@189.107.111.218) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:54] at the end. he was a judge [09:55] oh btw fwiw asus eee pc either has two-finger drag as a hardware function, or the "how it's done' has been passed along to X11 already i guess [09:55] no configuration necessary in slackware, it just works (tm) which is how it ought to be [09:56] i wonder if this laptop works out of box [09:56] everything works out of the box for chuck norris 8-) [09:57] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:57] Chuck Norris doesn't use computers because he has no use for them. Chuck Norris knows everything. [09:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433737.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [09:58] I asked him what was infity times infinity and he told he a number that took 5 months to say. [09:58] the businessman of the computers of the shop is a such Chuck Norris, xD [09:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433737.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:59] man i can't stand youtube videos where people try to do pink floyd solos with totally wrong equipment [09:59] "buy more!" [09:59] I hate most the people on youtube. [09:59] You see that wii fit girl? [09:59] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.198.167) joined ##slackware. [09:59] in the panties...? hot cha cha ctha [10:00] "let me plug my krappy guitar into a krappy amp and electronics unit and solo over the karaoke version of a pink floyd song" [10:00] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-211.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:00] lol [10:00] you'd think they'd at least have the decency to get close (stratocaster, overdrive pedal, tube amp) but NO..... [10:00] yeah, or who do their own tribute videos over a sound track [10:01] well, their first mistake was recording it, and their 2nd was thinking anyone else wanted to see it [10:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:01] if you're original and write a song you can't be judged by the original [10:02] it must be daunting playing a floyd cover because they are so dang awesome [10:02] nah, people can believe any thing about themselves [10:03] if i wrote original content like a song or video i would copywrite it before releasing it anywhere [10:03] aceofspa1es19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] it would scare ME because gilbert absolutely rocks [10:03] i think the copywrite is automatic [10:03] er copyrights [10:04] no, copyright is not automatic [10:04] Mnkc (~Mnkc@unaffiliated/mnkc) joined ##slackware. [10:04] yeah, copyleft [10:04] Well, Im off. Gotta find an AP to download slack13 [10:04] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:04] google library of congress and look, there are procedures (but they're relatively easy, simple, and cheap) [10:04] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:04] copyright with anticopy are incompatible [10:05] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [10:05] When is my work protected? [10:05] Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. [10:05] songs should be required to have the performer sing "this song is copyright ..." [10:05] Skywise, not according to library of congress [10:05] and have fun trying to uphold the authority of your words alone in court 8-) [10:05] it is accoring to the us copyright office [10:05] i would use a license so if anyone makes millions of dollars off of it that i get a cut of the profits [10:06] Do I have to register with your office to be protected? [10:06] No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.” [10:06] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:06] does slackware 12 uses ASLR and/or DEP ? [10:06] as far as p2p file sharing i would not care, download all you want for free, but if the recording industry (RIAA/MPAA) trys to cash in i want a cut [10:07] i like the groove of pink floyd "coming back to life" and "run like hell" [10:07] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.198.167) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:07] they have such a knack for putting an awesome groove into a song [10:07] yeah, i could loop run like hell [10:07] its the acid, it favors those kinds of things [10:07] yeah run like hell has an almost dj/club/techno beat to it [10:07] i love their stuff that has that beat in it [10:08] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [10:08] another song like that is cheap trick's need your love [10:09] Action: Delahunt plays Time [10:09] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] too bad wright died, he was a lot of the band [10:09] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:10] yeah, usually its the drummer who dies [10:13] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:13] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:14] v4nelle (~van@79.103.135.146.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:16] Mnkc (~Mnkc@unaffiliated/mnkc) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:16] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:18] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [10:19] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [10:20] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. 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[10:37] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829] [10:41] urso_ze_colmeia (~urso_ze_c@189.107.111.218) joined ##slackware. [10:42] hey [10:42] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [10:42] how long does it takes to decipher 63 alphanumeric (lower upper case, numeric) WPA2 AES key ? [10:42] 2 sec [10:43] for you, no idea [10:43] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:43] seriously [10:43] oh SERIOUSLY? [10:43] that makes it all differt [10:43] *different [10:43] I do it at once with my quantum computer =) [10:43] :| [10:44] `dante` (~dante@72.94.197.230) left irc: Quit: . [10:44] i heard PS4 will be quantum [10:44] and i heard that patrick swayze will be the next king of prussia [10:45] v4nelle (~van@79.103.135.146.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:47] it would be funny if someone said "ubuntu based" in the giant feature requests topic on linuxquestions haha [10:49] no. [10:49] my feature request would be for slackware to dump kde-4 like gnome-2.x was dumped, make xfce the default, and dump blackbox, fluxbox and include openbox [10:49] it wouldnt. [10:50] IceChant|AFK (~icechant@94.159.182.96) left irc: Quit: http://www.1st-vets.com [10:50] Pig_Pen: nothing like killing choice eh? [10:50] or maintaining the 1995 status quo heh [10:50] why not just dump X altogether [10:50] doesn't pat actually use kde? might be hard to talk him into dumping his own preferred gui, no? [10:50] let's just dump Pig_Pen ;-) [10:51] come on, why do you want these? twm is a thousand times better -_- [10:51] kde 4.3.4 is fscking great. [10:51] xfce is great. The kde feeling is not there anymore on kd4 :< [10:51] slackware needs no changes!! [10:51] Pig_Pen: while we're at it.. lets just make everyone use MacOS and only wear Nike trainers [10:51] lots of choices, i am sure the kde entheusiests will do a third party packageset for kde/qt [10:51] kde 3.5 still nice :D [10:51] touch fluxbox at your own risk :| [10:53] just think of all the disk space on the install CD/DVD if kde4/qt4 and associated packages were dumped [10:53] by the way, have somebady here used pkgsrc? [10:53] and all of X [10:53] all of gtk too [10:53] urso_ze_colmeia: pkgsrc or src2pkg? [10:53] yeah... and whats with this stupid bind and apache crap.. itd be even smaller and use less ram without them! [10:53] xfce without gtk? [10:54] !xfce [10:54] !X [10:54] all of X, xfce, gtk [10:54] amen [10:54] urso_ze_colmeia: netbsd pkgsrc? yes, I messed with it some on slamd64 12.1, it worked pretty well after a bit of messing with it [10:54] lynx [10:54] that'd make enough space to put ocaml on the dvd =) [10:54] i mean.. who REALLY uses less, more and bash? lets make 3rd parties p4rovide them as addons [10:54] Camarade_Tux: pkgsrc. it gives me some problens associated with libtool, when i try to compile x programs [10:54] then dump emacs [10:54] urso_ze_colmeia: under slackware? [10:54] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.36) joined ##slackware. [10:55] all joking aside i think kde4/qt4 blows and should be dumped like gnome was dumped [10:55] yeah, under slack. [10:55] Pig_Pen: you are in the minority [10:55] Camarade_Tux: it is portable to linux and others oses. =) [10:55] urso_ze_colmeia: I know but well, not many people use it that way ;-) [10:55] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:56] Urchlay: here it gives some errors =/ [10:56] the problem I had with pkgsrc was that "uname -m" was returning "Athlon(tm) something something" instead of "x86_64", pkgsrc freaked out because it wasn't expecting () or spaces [10:56] eheh [10:56] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:56] urso_ze_colmeia: I haven't tried it on slack 13 at all, no idea about your libtool issue [10:57] and if you don't even precisely state the error, we're not really going to be able to help at a [10:57] s/at a// [10:57] it complained about some missing libs, the work arround was to copy them manually [10:57] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@207.81.93.133) joined ##slackware. [10:58] one thing you *don't* want to do is follow the instructions you get if you google "slackware pkgsrc"... they tell you to replace a bunch of system binaries with pkgsrc ones, don't do it! [10:58] Camarade_Tux: just checking if I'm not alone using pkgsrc hehe [10:58] i dont see the point in using it at all to be honest [10:58] Urchlay: its insanity. it will not be slack anymore! =) [10:58] oh btw, any chance slack will replace sysklogd with rsyslogd ? It's better IMHO :) [10:58] anavel: none [10:59] just roll your own packages by hand with makepkg [10:59] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-121-180.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Zordrak: well, it's got a lot of stuff, back then it had stuff that wasn't on SBo yet (maybe it still does, I quit using it) [10:59] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-83-91.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:59] got tired of having 2 mutually incompatible package managers [10:59] Zordrak, Pig_Pen, i see. We'll i've replaced sysklogd with rsyslogd here :) [11:00] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] mica (~chatzilla@124.43.125.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:00] maybe replace all DE's with gnome 1.4. that would bring back some memories. :-) [11:00] yay! i second the gnome-1.4 [11:01] chess: hideous memories that should remain buried [11:01] haha [11:01] gnome-1.4 was ok, just dont use nautilus for anything, dont even install it and use mc for a file manager [11:01] if there was any change worth having it would be to have sbopkg in /extra [11:01] mica (~chatzilla@124.43.39.173) joined ##slackware. [11:02] switch the default windowmanager from sawfish to fvwm [11:02] oh boy [11:02] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Harksaw (~sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:02] I kinda liked gnome 1.4 [11:03] but then I also liked kde 2 :-) [11:03] me too, i liked gnome until the 2.x release [11:03] kde.2x & 3.x was fine with me [11:03] which old kde version had the ugly yellow/white default color scheme? [11:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] I'm running slack 13 64, and I got flash 64 to work but it has no sound - my sound works otherwise just not from firefox - any ideas? [11:07] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:07] Every time you use flash god kills a kitten... [11:07] IIRC, flash uses OSS, not ALSA. Try "modprobe snd_pcm_oss" [11:07] darkwurm: so... if I fap on flash porn, does god kill two kittens? [11:07] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:08] also, if some other app is using OSS, you're probably just outta luck (only one OSS app can make sound at a time, AFAIK) [11:08] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Camarade_Tux: You know it [11:09] `Dante` (~dante@72.94.197.230) joined ##slackware. [11:09] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:10] sure enough, three people came into the office all sick and coughing earlier this week. Now I have it. [11:11] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:11] Why is driving while talking on a cell phone illegal but coming to work sick and spreading that shit totally legal? [11:11] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [11:12] it's easier to kill someone with a car than with a cough [11:12] Harksaw: not is someone has aids [11:12] however- - aids takes something more than a cough to spread [11:12] *if [11:13] with a cough, won't change anything for aids [11:13] we'd prolly all be dead otherwise [11:13] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:14] no no not spread aids with a cough [11:14] lol [11:14] or in individually wrapped bubbles [11:14] okay then, it's illegal to be drunk in public butt not illegal to spread sickness? [11:14] but [11:14] depends on the state and/or base [11:14] not illegal to just be drunk in public, otherwise all bars would be closed permanently... [11:14] antiwire: actually, doing it on purpose is illegal ;-) [11:14] and how much disorder is in the "drunk and disorderly conduct" [11:14] it's illegal to *act* drunk in public [11:14] being drunk is a conscious choice,no one chooses to get sick [11:15] wear a mask, get over it, move on [11:15] you guys aren't making me feel better [11:15] Action: antiwire spreads the sore throat all over the channel [11:15] ardya: well, some people choose to stay home if they have the slightest bit of a sniffle [11:15] as they should [11:16] and some people are terrified of being fired if they miss a day of work for any reason (and sometimes they're justified in their fears) [11:16] sure, and people lose their jobs for being off sick too *shrug* [11:16] "you called in sick too many times, you're fired" [11:16] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@bl4-147-145.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:16] antiwire: I avoided getting a sore throat this week by drinking, want some alcohol? =) [11:16] i tried that [11:16] Not spreading it around is bad for everyone, immune system needs new things [11:16] Urchlay: bingo. especially in states, where a lot of work places grant you very few sick days [11:17] the only response I can think of would be to go to the boss's office and cough directly into his face, then walk out the door & never come back... [11:17] (why not, if you're fired anyway?) [11:17] In the long run, having people with non-lethal flus spread them will increase the immunity of the general public [11:17] yup [11:18] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [11:18] it will also increase the mutation rate... [11:18] you're forgetting that key aspect [11:18] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@bl4-147-145.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [11:19] I've heard that people from Sweden that come to the US like to stock up on otc flu and cold medicine, because Sweden bans all but the mildest otc medicines. [11:19] I'm not sure of their reasoning [11:20] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:20] otc cold meds don't help anything other than the symptoms. [11:21] Harksaw: does that include alcohol ? [11:21] it's really sad to see how little sick time some of those places get. hell, i've been out for almost 1.5 weeks [11:22] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@bl4-147-145.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:22] adaptr, alcohol is not banned there but it's taxed incredibly high. A beer at a bar costs over $10 [11:23] medicines are drugs, and alcohol is classified as a hard (or class A) drug [11:23] sounds like a good reason to start brewing your own [11:23] ananke: nearly everybody in sweden does [11:23] liqour prices are insane [11:23] lol taxing. [11:24] i wish beer's were ten bux in the US too [11:25] then hicks wouldn't be able to afford their stupid juice [11:25] yea cause they don't know how to brew in their bathtub [11:25] oh yea you're right [11:25] ;( [11:25] white lightning! [11:25] i wonder when the day will come when you propose something good for the people, the hicks dont get drunk and call it socialism! [11:26] I'm in the local brew house beer club. You get 26oz mugs of house brewed beer for the price of a pint [11:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBcFxF3F78Y [11:26] is that jimmy kimmel and jim carrey ? [11:28] Harksaw (~sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:28] how much is 26oz? [11:28] :| [11:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsNWlM3fWmI heres another booze drinking song [11:28] double 13 ouz [11:28] lol [11:28] guax: google 26oz in litres [11:29] :| ~760ml [11:29] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:29] yes :) [11:29] Harksaw (~sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:32] ok, I did modprobe snd_pcm_oss and flash sound still doesn't work. Under System Settings -> Multimedia I see that my default output device is ICEnsemble ICE1724 (ICE1724 IEC958) - but this doesn't seem to indicate whether I'm on ALSA or OSS [11:32] how do I check to see which set of drivers Flash is trying to use? [11:32] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:33] maybe strace or lsof [11:35] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [11:35] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.202.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:44] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.91.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:50] http://i45.tinypic.com/29ar0x.jpg [11:50] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:51] all too common [11:51] Nick change: zecafig -> zecareuniao_ha [11:52] never really had that sort of problem with firefaux, but i never use any plugins with firefox, and i do lock firefox down with noscript and adblock plus [11:52] EuroTrash (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:52] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-87-19.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:53] seamonkey does handle plugins better, and i only use seamonkey at known trustworthy websites, you have to consider the features you have enabled in any web browser the greater changes for problems and exploytes [11:55] "Alayna left the room (quit: K-Lined)." LMAO!! [11:55] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.199) joined ##slackware. [11:56] eh, you never had problems with the flash plugin, because you don't run any plugins? makes sense, but eh, redundant? [11:56] yeah, sort of [11:57] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@bl4-147-145.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:59] Mnkc (Mnkc@unaffiliated/mnkc) left ##slackware. [11:59] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [12:00] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:02] euklides_ (~chatzilla@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:03] Urchlay: Yes, no dice [12:04] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:04] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [12:04] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [12:04] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [12:04] see if OSS works at all, try to play a wav file with sox [12:05] nm, sox seems to use alsa by default [12:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-87-19.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:07] IrquiM_ (~irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:07] try this: AUDIODRIVER=oss play somefile.wav [12:08] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-144-141.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Nick change: kitche_ -> kitche [12:10] kitche (kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: Changing host [12:10] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [12:12] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:12] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Disconnected by services [12:12] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-144-141.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:13] [Bain] (~bain@198.163.150.11) joined ##slackware. [12:13] <[Bain]> would this store the encrypted hash value properly if i did this encrypted=`openssl enc -des-ede3-cbc -salt -in <(echo "mysecret")` [12:13] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-118-16.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:14] IrquiM (~irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [12:14] shouldn't that be ... $(echo "mysecret") ... ? [12:16] <[Bain]> maybe but this seems to work as well [12:18] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-186-126.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] "command1 <(command2)" is sort of like "command2 | command1", only not quite [12:18] damned if I can remember what the <(command) syntax is really for [12:19] militant (~militant@173-81-26-5-pkbg.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] darkwurm (~dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:20] executing a group of commands as a single entity to pass to a pipe or redirection [12:20] Yeah, I'm really lacking knowledge about shells, sub shells and redirections [12:21] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:21] <[Bain]> k thnx guys :) [12:21] Urchlay: <() is bash shorthand for "echo from" [12:21] IIRC [12:21] anyone knows good *.swf player apart mozilla? [12:21] mplayer? [12:22] doesn't show the video, plays sound only [12:22] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [12:22] there's a standalone adobe flash player [12:22] maybe not for flash 10 though [12:22] same version as the plugin, 32bit only [12:23] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [12:23] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.86.46.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:24] a 32-bit standalone flash player would work fine on 64-bit + multilib/compat32 [12:24] Harksaw (~sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:24] Urchlay, Flash Player 10 Linux debugger and standalone players (TAR.GZ, 16.3 MB) [12:24] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:24] this? [12:24] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-184-154.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:24] that sounds right [12:25] lets try [12:25] mplayer and vlc play flash files for me [12:25] can you foward them with it? [12:25] I wonder if mplayer needs a recompile after the flash plugin is installed [12:25] Mine works but I build it myself [12:25] hmm, good for you :) [12:25] ... [12:25] why a snide comment like that? [12:26] mplayer can't play all swf files because they aren't all movies (I bet it can't play games) [12:26] I'm trying to help you. [12:26] cd /usr/local/beer/ [12:26] >_> [12:26] oki, sorry antiwire :) [12:26] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:26] i mean i have lack of knowledge for building it myself [12:26] Now I know not to even attempt to help you. [12:26] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [12:27] http://pastebin.ca/1787217 [12:28] a simple tutorial to learn 12 tenses in English. [12:29] er, yeah [12:29] for extra credit, translate all those sentences to classical Latin [12:30] thanks, mica. very helpfull for me. serious :) [12:30] lol [12:30] Does anyone use a 56k USB modem under linux? [12:31] I need to find one and I'm leaning toward this guy so far: http://www.usr.com/products/modem/modem-product.asp?type=specs&sku=USR5637 [12:32] I guess most USB modems are just CDC-ACM supported devices [12:32] i have a serial 56k modem [12:32] heh [12:32] Yeah, me too but I need USB for this application [12:32] It's for a dial in server which has no hardware serial ports. [12:33] Long story but since I have started working in the telecom industry I have quickly realized that there are plenty totally wacked setups out there to deal with. [12:34] as long as it has its own controller you should be alright, it is those winmodem style hardware that hitchhikes on the CPU for controller action is when they suck [12:34] hahaha [12:34] mica: do you know scrotwm? you might like this wm [12:35] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:35] Pig_Pen: From my quick research so far, the USB 56k modems *should* be supported by the CDC ACM driver and, although that USR model is hugely expensive for a modem, even the manufacturer lists linux support so that is a good sign [12:40] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:41] anyone using easytag? [12:41] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:42] hmm, VLC doesn't show me *.swf :/ [12:42] sound only [12:43] tried mplayer? [12:43] same [12:44] do you avidemux? might want to open and see what codec the video is actually using [12:44] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [12:44] explain little more what's avidemux? [12:45] avidemux is a program that will let you edit videos (like changing the encoding of the video so you can play it) [12:46] downloading [12:46] mplayer would report that too [12:47] yeah, it would... but if he has to re-encode the video to watch it, at least he can do that with avidemux [12:47] well, whatever it is, if mplayer doesn't play it chances are pretty non-existant that avidemux can [12:48] ya never know :P [12:49] anybody know about /var/log/btmp file? [12:49] something to do with sshd? [12:49] avidemux is limited to a small subset of video codecs. iirc it doesn't even open swf files [12:50] file says it's a db3 file [12:50] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dpbieaguqzsrkhsl) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [12:51] opens flv files just dandy... so i figured it might be worth a shot [12:51] flv != swf [12:51] zecareuniao_ha (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Quit: POF! [12:51] i know that much... :P [12:52] that's why i said it "might" be worth a shot... [12:52] The btmp log keeps track of failed login attempts. I have seen on a default linux setup with logrotate configured where the btmp log is left out of rotation ... [12:53] ah [12:53] thanks - yeah, 13 and -current have it in the rotation, just wondering about it [12:53] Asido: you might have more luck when you actually look at *why* mplayer doesn't play the video. It usually gives a reason [12:54] how to check? [12:54] play the file and look at the console output [12:54] alisonken1home, i just googled /var/log/btmp and that was the summary from the first website [12:55] thanks [12:55] :) [12:55] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.107.93) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:56] pprkut, how to look at the output? sorry for newbie questions :P [12:57] in a console, mplayer -vo null -ao null file.swf [12:57] and then hit q [12:57] you can just leave the -vo / -ao stuff out [12:58] darkwurm (~dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [12:58] http://pastebin.com/m70338e34 [12:59] meh, just so he sees the actual output without an annoying window >.> [13:00] it's not even finding the video codec [13:00] try just mplayer file.swf [13:00] no, it's not finding a video stream [13:00] http://pastebin.com/m2f0b0cb8 [13:01] it probably is audio only [13:01] but i can watch it with mozilla [13:01] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:01] # [13:01] Video: no video [13:01] there's your answer [13:01] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:01] it's loading the video from somewhere else [13:02] weirfghliewugfh (~ksljdbfvi@68.232.112.232.dynamic.dejazzd.com) joined ##slackware. [13:03] hello [13:05] so what about avidemux in my case? [13:07] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-184-154.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [13:07] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-118-16.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:07] it won't matter [13:11] hello slackware! [13:14] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:15] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:15] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-61-38.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:15] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [13:16] http://www.kababomatic.com/index.html hahahahahahah [13:22] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:23] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [13:24] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-184-154.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:26] weirfghliewugfh (~ksljdbfvi@68.232.112.232.dynamic.dejazzd.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:27] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [13:32] is there a way to get the SlackBuild-like scripts used to create official packages? [13:32] ? [13:32] slackbuild-like? [13:32] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:32] zaltekk: yes [13:32] From SBo: "Patrick Volkerding, the maintainer of Slackware, uses SlackBuild scripts to compile the official packages..." [13:33] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:33] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [13:33] howdy folks [13:33] get them from the install media or download mirror [13:33] how to run *.tar? :| [13:33] ardya: where do i find them in the directory structure? [13:33] in source/ [13:33] okay [13:34] I'm having an odd problem installing ORBit2 from SlackBuilds.org [13:35] the link provided doesn't work, wget is unable to download the tarbal [13:35] but it is downloadable via firefox... [13:36] when it reaches PASV it fails: [13:36] ==> PASV ... couldn't connect to 130.239.18.137 port 20885: Connection timed out [13:36] Asido: you don't 'run' those. you untar them [13:36] spmd (~loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:36] i understand. but which command? [13:36] Asido: tar xvf file.tar [13:37] ty :) [13:37] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] weirfghliewugfh (~ksljdbfvi@68.232.112.232.dynamic.dejazzd.com) joined ##slackware. [13:41] is anyone having this same problem? [13:41] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-215-111.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:43] nope, i dont build/install gnome stuff in a clean slackware [13:44] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:45] I'm only downloading ORBit and GConf because they are dependeneis for Chrome [13:45] and that's the only reason... [13:45] :P [13:45] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:45] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433737.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [13:46] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@187.67.142.70) joined ##slackware. [13:46] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@187.67.142.70) left irc: Changing host [13:46] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433737.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:47] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:48] chrome = google adware [13:48] right. it somehow magically inserts ads, where no other browser would. [13:48] you'll see, every website will have google sponsered advertisng [13:48] any more fud? [13:50] hmmm... [13:50] I'll be looking for an adblock equivalent first... [13:51] StonedSlacker (1002@cpe-075-181-025-034.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:51] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-61-38.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:53] weirfghliewugfh (~ksljdbfvi@68.232.112.232.dynamic.dejazzd.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:54] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.9.18) joined ##slackware. [13:54] turned out all the issues I've had with slackware v13.0 is related to that version only [13:54] well I just installed adblock for chrome [13:55] seems just fine to me. [13:55] i'm able to HAPPILY run my v12.1 [13:55] phew [13:55] at least at first it also seems to be lighter that firefox [13:56] plus no more kick outs slackboy / alienBOB [13:56] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-219-77.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] i'm not a root now > Happy? [13:57] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:57] garme (~garme@201008241079.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:59] don't push your luck ;) [14:00] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-56-208.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Nick change: wertik_rus -> || [14:01] Nick change: || -> ||| [14:01] ||| (wertik@95-27-184-154.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware ("#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)"). [14:03] i have the jdk 6u16 txz which i have installed with pkgtool now i want to upgrade that with the jdk 6u18 from oracle but it is in self extract .bin so i ran it now have a directory full of hte new version but how to integrate it into my system using upgradepkg or how to create .txz [14:03] Overall i am interested in learning about the package format used by slack if anyone wants to point me to where i can learn more about it so i can make packages for slack correctly [14:04] mikl0 geez, what you want to know is if you can make a slackware package from the bin, and the answer is yes... [14:04] Necos, what tool can be used to do that so i can then do upgradepkg [14:05] you need to get the slackbuild script for the package you have [14:05] which can be found in the source directory for said package on any mirror [14:06] Necos, then update version numbers in said slackbuild script and upgradepkg walah! [14:06] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:06] close :) [14:06] http://www.slackwiki.org/SlackBuild_Scripts for a very simple reference [14:07] excellent and what is the idea with slackpkg ? it is official from slackware [14:07] Necos, thank u [14:08] slackpkg is an official utility that automates installing packages from slackware mirror sites [14:08] well, sites in general, but please use a mirror :) [14:08] it isn't too hard to use makepkg command either [14:09] but the slackbuild already has the proper permissions and such [14:10] i'd start with the slackbuild and become more precise than the other way around [14:11] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:11] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:11] you can extract that bin file, cd into the directory that contains that stuff, like usr/... etc files... from there makepkg can be run to make the package [14:11] spmd (~loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. 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[14:14] is it possible to download something from rapidshare as a free user? [14:14] nowadays [14:14] kslen, did you check out the txt file on booting from usb? [14:14] sirslacker (1001@s0229.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-81-43.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:14] on the dvd somewhere [14:15] yea, but that's not the route i want to go [14:15] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [14:15] the 'working' route ;)? [14:15] my usb stick has multiple install isos on it, and grub2 had no trouble before i fugged something up :/ [14:16] hehehe, yea i know i know, but the route that has bumps in the road and makes me anoyed beyond most things seems oh so much more tempting :< [14:20] garme (~garme@201008241079.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:22] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [14:22] the filesystem on the usb drive is formatted as ext2 with block size 1024, before i changed it to 1024 it was 4096 and isolinux insisted that ext2fs did not support triple indirect buffers before failing. now i just get the magic number fail. :/ [14:22] ooops, pasted into wrong channel, sorry x2 :< [14:23] hey all qestion .. anyone use dd_resuce to rip dvd's " [14:24] macman_: no, I used different apps depending on the purpose [14:24] spmd (~loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [14:25] i use a lot to .. brokedown a lot of linux stuff i use is garbage i have to use windows/ wine software [14:25] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:25] macman_: dvdrip is good for creating avi files, you can get it from slackbuilds [14:26] theblackslab (~theblacks@93-97-229-206.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:26] I use k9copy if I want to create another dvd [14:26] hello all, just a little reminder, can't seem to find the answer as it's such an odd search term: what package is "unzip" in? [14:27] theblackslab: infozip I think [14:28] forgot how much I hate wendys fries [14:28] did you look at infozip? [14:28] is it! bah, figured that was something like docs [14:28] opps client froze [14:28] yeah, that's it ;) [14:28] Arby's curly fries are awesome [14:28] encrypted dvds ? [14:29] macman_: yep [14:29] cool, cheers all [14:29] theblackslab (theblacks@93-97-229-206.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware. [14:29] anything from the command line i can use brokedown or anyone else ? [14:30] macman_: yeah you can do it from the command line, the tools I mentioned are just front-ends for cli tools, look at the dependencies for dvdrip for which ones [14:31] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] any of you guys heard of filestat ? [14:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:34] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:34] man these packages are great! [14:34] aceofspa1es19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:35] no entry for "these packages are great!" [14:35] lol [14:36] ha [14:36] or is that a real manbot [14:36] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:36] man man [14:37] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@187.67.142.70) joined ##slackware. [14:37] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@187.67.142.70) left irc: Changing host [14:37] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [14:38] ? [14:39] what need to install so i could unzip *.7z files? [14:40] 7zip [14:40] but thats not foss [14:41] Actually the linux package is called p7zip. And yes it is OSS [14:41] See http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/p7zip/ [14:41] i've never gotten that to work, i've always unpacked it with windows [14:41] because of some licensing thing [14:42] Like this: "7-Zip is open source software. Most of the source code is under the GNU LGPL license. The unRAR code is under a mixed license: GNU LGPL + unRAR restrictions." [14:42] thanks, alienBOB [14:43] p7zip works well here [14:43] worked for me too [14:44] hmm, but i can't enter the extracted folder [14:45] looks like they fixed somethings since the last i tried using it [14:45] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:46] SOUL_OF_R00T (~l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [14:46] [Bain] (~bain@198.163.150.11) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:52] i dunno if u guys remember i had the problems with keyboard repeat rate...i think i have this same bug as some guy on debian with xfce 4.6.1 ...http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527238 [14:53] Asido, sure it's a directory? :P [14:53] i would like some guidance on fixing this for my system or xfce but nobody else has this issue or doesnt xfce have large user base of 4.6.1 [14:54] kslen, yeh, i guess. i can enter in console, though [14:54] RobDob (~rpedrica@dsl-145-120-66.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:54] the repeat rate... isn't that set in the BIOS? [14:54] or, in the BIOS you can enable/disable the programming of the repeat rate [14:55] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [14:55] sirslacker (1001@s0229.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:56] brb lemme check but im sure its certain bios and a software could override that as is the case here thanks i will check [14:56] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:56] RobDob (~rpedrica@dsl-145-120-66.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:00] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:01] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-224-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [15:01] `Dante` (~dante@72.94.197.230) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:03] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:16] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [15:16] slackboy joined ##slackware. [15:16] hackeron: messages get lost.. :-) [15:16] but they always log locally [15:16] MarderIII: right, that's no good :) [15:17] they just shoot a copy over the central server, but they dont stop logging locally [15:17] xsamurai: slackware was an easier name for puffy to remember [15:17] hackeron: log local and remote. [15:17] Skywise: yeah, I need something like logging to a remote syslog-ng that handles downtime and queues messages to be sent when internet is back [15:17] and i guess he doesn't version anything as i am running openbsd 4.6, and slackware 13 [15:17] MarderIII: I intend to, but what will happen sending the missing log data? [15:17] MarderIII: what will handle that I mean [15:18] then you'd wanna use rsync if you don't need realtime logging [15:18] invictus: more like its easier to rhyme with slackware then ubuntu [15:18] hackeron: or sync logs when the connection is up (rsync or something like it) [15:18] im still on 4.2 on my bridged fw [15:18] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [15:18] just have a cronjob run twice a day or something like that [15:18] Skywise: Rsync is heavy on IO and not a great solution - also, logs get rotated, how will that be handled with rsync? [15:18] ÿhey, my terimal window comes up but the prompt is halted!! can anyone help please? [15:18] nah [15:18] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [15:18] MarderIII: yeah, like I said to Skywise, that's no good [15:18] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [15:19] rsync is cake [15:19] Actually, I'm a little bit interested in Ejeet's hostname. I wonder if he is letting his system take the hostname that his ISP feeds it? [15:19] hackeron: rsync has a throttle option. [15:19] no it's not... rsync is sooooo hard! [15:19] invictus: you are dual booting openbsd and slackware? [15:19] and for syslogs, it wouldn't be much [15:19] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:19] MarderIII: how would a throttle option handle log rotation? [15:19] Ejeet (puffy@user-160urts.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] Axius: no... [15:19] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [15:19] why would i? [15:19] hi how do you remove the pass key from bluetooth in slack 13, there seems to be trouble since it cant pair with my phone, i want to use it for gprs [15:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.cable.mindspring.com' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [15:19] acidkill kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [15:19] Ejeet kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [15:20] hackeron: throttle on bandwidth and io :-) [15:20] MarderIII: say I rsync /var/log/messages but it was rotated 5 minutes ago to /var/log/messages.0 -- it will actually overwrite the log on the server - also, all data won't be sorted [15:20] invictus: I dont know! [15:20] you'd wanna sync to dedicated directory for each host, since they'll all have the same filenames [15:20] Shit, too loose netmask [15:20] Axius: cool :) [15:20] Skywise: what about log rotation? - see last message to MarderIII [15:20] it won't matter [15:20] alienBOB: yeah, keep that arseclown out of here [15:21] He's spamming me in PM now [15:21] because logrotate still copies the old log and you'd rsync the entire log directory, not just syslog [15:21] ya for umode g [15:21] you should just /ignore him [15:21] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.cable.mindspring.com' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [15:21] alienBOB: just a little /ignore should remedy that [15:21] feenodes growing up [15:22] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [15:22] hackeron: take a look at ccollect script for rsync. [15:22] i ignore pms by default [15:22] all men do [15:22] xsamurai: saying alienBOB's not a man? [15:23] :p [15:23] alienBOB: he's a metrosexual [15:23] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@user-160urts.cable.mindspring.com' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [15:23] errr [15:23] haha! [15:23] invictus: that was for you [15:23] nice one [15:23] Skywise: that means I'm copying a shitload of extra information that was already copied before of rotation - and every time it's rotated I could be copying hundreds of megs of log data for no reason -- great, lol [15:23] MarderIII: looking [15:23] no you're not [15:23] i figured [15:23] Action: alienBOB is an op, can not ignore PMs [15:23] rsync only copies the changes [15:23] theres not a better way to do it [15:23] Skywise: that is the changes [15:24] Skywise: if say /var/log/messages becomes /var/log/messages.0 [15:24] Skywise: and /var/log/messages.1.gz becomes /var/log/messages.2.gz [15:24] you don't have to number that way [15:24] Skywise: rsync will thing oh shit, everything in /var/log/messages.1.gz changed and copy it again [15:24] thumbs_ (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Skywise: I don't, logrotate does [15:25] hackeron: servers/machines 24/7 on? [15:25] I might have missed 90% of the conversation but what are you guys trying to achieve? [15:25] how much possible downtime can you expect if wanting to utilize a centralized syslog server? [15:25] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] maybe a centralized syslog server isnt an optimum solution for you. [15:26] acidkill (acidkill@user-0c90ofd.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] ardya: Heh, you seem to be thinking about the same lines like me. http://www.foogazi.com/2006/09/07/setting-up-a-syslog-server/ <-- might be a little bit of a start, although based on an older version of Slackware. [15:27] Nick change: thumbs_ -> thumbs [15:27] MarderIII: 99.9% on - sometimes there are power failures and other problems - why? [15:27] MarderIII: also, internet i about 99.5% up on average [15:27] hackeron: "sometimes"? whats your analysis of actual uptime/avaialbility? [15:27] well you could try logging to a mysql database and then replicating it [15:28] ardya: 99.9% according to zenoss [15:28] Skywise: erm, lol [15:28] rsyslog can cache outgoing msgs [15:28] Skywise: not replicating it you mean, merging it? [15:28] take a look that that [15:28] Skywise: how do you do replication and merging, hmmmm? [15:28] ardya: ah, interesting [15:29] also rsyslog can log directly to sql [15:29] hackeron: just wondering if you could run logcheck any other way.. with anacron or so. not possible if they are up all the time :-( [15:29] but you'd only need to make sure the logs were synced when starting [15:29] otherwise you'd presume they were [15:30] MarderIII: currently I run logcheck and it emails the logs, so if internet is down, it emails them when it's back up [15:31] you can get logcheck to number the files in increasing order [15:31] and even give them names based on the date [15:31] i did that because the default rotation is stupid [15:32] hackeron: makes sense. but you'd have to collect the logs from email and store them or process them... A procmail recipe maybe? [15:32] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] put dateext in the configuration [15:33] then rsync will do just fine [15:35] hackeron: ccollect does not overwrite previous files if they are changed. [15:36] does keylogers work in linux? :) [15:36] yes, but they're voluntary [15:37] emm, what you mean by voluntary? [15:37] hackeron: it hardlinks files if not changed, otherwise it copies the file in the (dated) backup directory [15:37] you gotta give someone root access for them to install one [15:37] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:37] hehe [15:37] MarderIII: so it copies the file that now contains the logs that were already copied - what good is taht? [15:38] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [15:38] kimjeng (~me@196.201.218.229) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:38] Skywise: logcheck doesn't rotate files or support output to file [15:38] hackeron, did you see what i said about dateext? [15:39] hackeron: it copies the file in a _new_ directory. but the files that are not changed are hardlinked to that directory. [15:40] hackeron: you get several directories named with the date/time, and each is a view/snapshot of the (log?) directory at that date/time [15:40] hackeron: but the files are not copied each time, only the changed ones [15:41] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-186-126.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:41] hackeron: the rest is hardlinked to the ones copied earlier. [15:41] Archive old versions of log files adding a daily extension like YYYYMMDD instead of simply adding a number. [15:42] hackeron: Or do that ^^ [15:43] huge fan of logs over smtp [15:43] MarderIII: right, problem is *all* the logfiles appear to *change* when they are rotated [15:43] Skywise: that still means copying all logs twice [15:43] Skywise: or only copying on rotation [15:43] no it doesn't [15:44] it will only back up the newly rotated log and whatever is in the current log [15:44] Skywise: sure it does, if I want an up to date /var/log/messages before it's rotated, I'll need to copy it once live (copying changes only) and then copy it when it's rotated [15:44] and its compressed [15:45] besides, consider it just a fall back if the normal remote logging doesn't function [15:45] you dont copy it either, you just mv it and hup syslogd [15:45] Skywise: then I'll need to copy 3 times ;) -- Anyway, I can change logrotate to run a command on the rotated file -- so I can get it to scp the file on rotation and keep retrying to do it endlessly - I don't need to modify it's rotating behaviour or mess around with rsync --partial [15:46] the inode doesn't change [15:46] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [15:47] rsync doesnt make a lot of sense for logs, since they should be immutable after theyre rotated [15:49] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:50] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [15:50] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) joined ##slackware. [15:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Old_Spike0 (Old_Spike@82.159.58.202.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:59] how do you determine the location of the current process you are running? [15:59] i thought it was 'which' [16:00] $0 [16:00] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:00] the cwd? [16:00] initself: /proc/self/exe [16:00] i think which is working now [16:00] it wasn't working before [16:01] which has nothing to do with 'current process' [16:01] sorry [16:01] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. 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[16:09] Axius (~fd@109.97.43.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:10] so question all [16:11] say i hve a mpeg or avi and i want to burn it to dvd what would i use [16:11] Nick change: initself -> slackwareman [16:12] Nick change: slackwareman -> initself [16:12] macman_: do you want to play it in your DVD player? [16:12] thumbs: yes [16:12] you need DVD authoring software, then. [16:12] yes i have dvdauthor [16:13] well there you go [16:13] Tey k9copy [16:13] Nick change: initself -> fezman [16:13] Try* k9copy [16:13] Nick change: fezman -> initself [16:14] that too. [16:14] hey bob, do you look after binutils? [16:15] No, I am totally care-free [16:16] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [16:16] sugarless bubblegum? [16:16] sup [16:16] kat [16:16] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-224-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [16:17] Nick change: initself -> ubunut [16:17] relax, have a smoke [16:17] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:17] I wish I had something to smoke of the green variety. [16:17] so k9copy is good on linux [16:17] coo [16:17] Nick change: ubunut -> initself [16:18] so i can rip it from dvd to my hard drive and drom my hdd to a dvd with k9copy [16:18] i hate k9copy [16:18] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Man, Fedora friggin installed grub in my MBR by default... [16:18] Sigh... [16:19] Cann0n: green tobacco tastes terrible :p [16:19] (don't ask how I know) [16:20] lol [16:20] Ok... so, how do I rid grub from the br without a windows disk? [16:20] I know we was talking about this last night... I should have paid attention. [16:21] slack cd - reinstall lilo [16:21] tried that. [16:21] said it couldnt write to mbr [16:21] V_tec (andy@ppp091138237074.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware. [16:21] uh oh [16:21] because fedora done gayed up my system [16:22] lol [16:22] Action: mag0o wonders how fedora got itself on there [16:22] i went to the library today and spend 5 hours DLing and stalling slack13 [16:22] I actually never got good results with k9copy :/ ddrescue worked much better for me [16:23] mag0o: I got a new laptop and heard "good" things about fedora... only good thing about fedora is it comes with with gcc [16:23] wait... nvm. It doesn't come with gcc... [16:23] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:23] lol [16:24] seriously, you might want to invest in vbox or qemu [16:24] before you go installing on the hdd [16:25] dive: me? [16:25] yes [16:25] Don't you remember me? [16:25] Xnextihoc (~xnextihoc@cpe-76-174-201-240.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:25] huh? [16:25] I've been using slackware for 10+ years. [16:25] Oh right sorry [16:25] I used to spend all day in here. [16:25] yeah I know [16:25] LOL. It's all good. [16:26] my mind doesn't work too well in memory dept these days [16:26] Hi, have a question about getting the gui to work in slackware, wondering if someonce can help me on that. [16:27] slackware has a gui? [16:27] dive: lay off the weed... or smoke more. I prefer the more. [16:27] shouldn't be that hard [16:27] type xwmconfig, select desktop, startx [16:27] Skywise: kde4.3, xfce, and a couple of others [16:27] the problem I am having is that I am installing on a laptop with intel chipset [16:27] still needs GNOME [16:27] Action: NyteOwl ducks [16:27] heh [16:27] Action: dive swings and nmisses [16:27] and it is giving me the fatal server error: no screen found [16:28] Xnextihoc, do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? [16:28] I've just installed Slackware 13.0 on to the laptop [16:28] Xnextihoc: shouldn't be a problem with intel... [16:28] well looks like my lappy may only see drives up to 137GB [16:28] delete the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and try again [16:29] I'm using an intel chip on my laptop and it works fine [16:29] dive, I have the xorg.conf, you want me to send that to you to have a look? [16:29] Xnextihoc: have you tried X -configure ? [16:29] no [16:29] try moving it out of there and starting x [16:29] maybe he didn't install it [16:29] although I did have to uninstall the xf86-video-intel-8.x driver and install the xf86-video-intel-7.x driver from extra [16:30] yes, also tried x -configure, and also tried deleting xorg.conf [16:30] Xnextihoc, sw 13 comes with no xorg.conf by default now. X should configure itself automagically. If you have problems with no xorg.conf then you start to build one bit by bit until it works as liked [16:31] yes, I've run xorgsetup to create xorg.conf [16:31] on a macbook, i had to regress the driver from 1.8 i think it was back to 1.6.3 from /extra [16:31] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [16:31] well, doesn't it have any debug info on the console from starting up? [16:31] check /var/log/Xorg.0.log [16:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.43.219) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:32] The thing is, I've even tried several other distro from live CD, and most of them display problem as well on the laptop [16:32] what laptop? [16:32] except one. [16:32] Sharp PC-MV12W [16:32] and what video chip (lspci is your friend) [16:32] the one that can display everything perfectly is Berry Linux. [16:32] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.10.95) joined ##slackware. [16:32] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:33] I've had good luck with mesa 7.6 + intel 2.10 [16:33] and 2.6.32.x [16:33] I am wondering if I can use the xorg.conf from Berry linux and just copy that over to the one in slackware [16:33] or is it more compliacated than that? [16:33] if you use intel, you shouldn't need a xorg.conf [16:33] first - show the output of lspci for the video chip entry only [16:34] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 04) [16:34] 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] [16:34] by the way, I am new at linux, so just learning as I go. [16:34] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [16:34] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:35] I thought you need xorg.conf to startx [16:35] not with intel, typically [16:35] not since at least a year ago [16:35] so how would you do that then? [16:35] the only reason for an xorg.conf now is non-standard setup or tweaks that you want to do [16:35] move xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old and startx [16:35] Xnextihoc, remove your xorg.conf, and just try "startx" [16:36] ok, I'll try that [16:36] x.org is smart enough to find the video stuff on its own, if you use x.org drivers, and it gets a list of your input stuff from a service called "hald," which is also running [16:37] hald + xorg is fail! [16:37] Action: Dominian runs [16:37] that is the problem, for the laptop it is having detecting on its own. It won't work in vesa [16:37] birdlives (~birdlives@96.240.50.121) joined ##slackware. [16:37] newbie2010 (newbie201@41.252.9.18) left ##slackware. [16:38] I think the problem is a combination of Bios and chipset. I read that some people needed to upgrade the bios on Dell eliminate some problem [16:38] but can't find any upgrade for sharp [16:38] you're not on an intel gma500 or something, are you? [16:39] 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] [16:40] how can I extract a initrd file? cpio doesn't let me chose a destination (it is unpacking in /) [16:40] just try removing xorg.conf and startx, but still won't work [16:40] I was looking at the xorg.conf in Berry Linux, and it has abunch of "modelines" or something like that in there. [16:41] gunzip -d an initrd file is just a gzipped collection of files [16:41] why not try reinstalling [16:41] urso_ze_colmeia: cd /path/to/final/destination ; cpio /path/to/initrd [16:41] try that [16:42] initrd is more than a gzipped file [16:42] the only reason i can think of it not loading is because the binary driver isn't compatible with kernel [16:42] it's a cpio archive [16:42] that's been gzipped [16:42] urso_ze_colmeia (~urso_ze_c@189.107.111.218) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:43] but what would it make it work when running Berry Linux distro? [16:43] urso_ze_colmeia (~urso_ze_c@189.107.111.218) joined ##slackware. [16:43] can I just use the xorg.conf file from that distro and start from there? [16:43] you can try [16:44] theoretically :> [16:44] that driver is probably the same as those bundled with slack, just find out what version they had that was working, then install that version in slack. [16:44] thanks [16:45] sounds like that card doesn't like UXA acceleration, which is probably what xorg is trying to use [16:45] botnet (1000@c-71-197-177-155.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] hello [16:46] i'd see what video options were in the berry linux kernel or make my own [16:46] how would I find out which version driver is working? [16:46] oh, so theres the botnet [16:46] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:46] man... I hate the mbr! [16:47] I wish there was a way to set up dvorak by default in the bios... boot disks without dvorak support using a dvorak keyboard sucks... [16:48] Also found this thread online, don't know if this applies to my chipset: [16:48] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27029 [16:48] so i just installed slack -current a few minutes ago, going to enable multi-lib, and i see on eric's site a 13.1 tree [16:48] am i supposed to use 13.1 for -current? or stick wth 13 [16:48] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] 13.1?! [16:48] don't tell me 12.1 is out... I just Dled 13 today [16:49] it's 13.0 and -current only right now [16:49] just on the multilib sectino of eric hameleers website [16:49] 13.1 wont' be out for a long while, don't worry :> [16:49] which is why i was confused as to why there is a 13.1 there [16:49] 13.1 is the name I gave it but it is built on -current of course botnet [16:50] thanks, just wanted to make sure [16:50] All hail Eric! [16:50] also, thanks for the mirror-current script, worked nicely [16:50] If you read my post about it you'd have seen that [16:50] reading is for nerds...i mean, uhh, sorry [16:50] the botnet has become sentient and you guys are helping it [16:51] we should merge and become skynet [16:51] Links2 (~Ctrl@shpd-92-101-175-129.vologda.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:51] hehe [16:52] 13.1 will solve these kde problems people is having. [16:52] gonna be great. [16:54] then I wish it is out already [16:54] the -current does pretty good so far [16:55] kde problems? [16:55] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:57] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:57] macman_ (macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left ##slackware. [16:57] nvision (~nvision@g224249188.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:57] well, i had a lot. =/ I installed current some days back and its fscking great. [16:57] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [16:57] it seems kde is implementing a tiling function in its wm [16:58] there is a some months olde video in utube [16:58] yeah I read something like that [16:59] it seemed to do a good job. [16:59] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [16:59] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:00] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [17:00] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:01] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:01] ok seriously.... how do I get rid of grub on the mbr? [17:02] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:02] no windows boot disk. nothing on the hdd. and i'm on dial up [17:02] can't you tell lilo to update the mbr? [17:02] how do i go about doing that? [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-211.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:03] oh yeah, i'm also on a dvorak keyboard. cli on boot disks without a setup make it hard [17:03] well see if you can run liloconfig [17:04] where am i doing this at? [17:04] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [17:04] from the command line [17:04] with the slackware install cd? [17:04] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:04] why not download a proper boot/root disk [17:04] sure [17:05] i'm on dial up. [17:05] that would even give you setup [17:05] when i tried to install slack, it wouldn't update the mbr [17:05] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] you gotta do that with lilo [17:05] liloconfig not found [17:06] what happens if you type lilo? [17:06] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:06] not found [17:07] botnet (1000@c-71-197-177-155.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:07] stillbor2 (~stillborn@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:07] thats gonna be a problem [17:07] yep. [17:07] I HATE grub. I should have never installed fedora on this box... [17:07] It put grub in the mbr without even telling me squat. [17:08] hi,is there a way to compile irssi with gnutls instead of openssl? [17:08] try using your boot disk to boot your installed partition [17:08] stillbor2, tried #irssi? [17:08] follow the instructions on the first page, to do this [17:08] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] not yet, just my buildscript, ty :) [17:09] well ./configure --help should tell you something [17:09] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:11] i tried, but didn't see anything like that [17:11] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:11] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:12] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:12] found a wim xp disk. woot! [17:12] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:12] just wondering if i use loudmouth and irssi-xmpp withj gnutls and irssi with openssl, is there a problem [17:13] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [17:13] but that will still require you to install lilo or grub to boot [17:13] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:14] stillbor2 (~stillborn@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:14] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:14] I just want the grub out of the mbr [17:15] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:15] exbio_ (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:15] isn't there a way to do it with fdisk? [17:15] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] biynayahu (~biynayahu@d207-216-195-161.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] fdisk /mbr rewrites the mbr i believe [17:15] didn't work. [17:16] i mean the fdisk with linux [17:16] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] xp boot isc failed to boot. BSOD [17:16] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:16] s/isc/disk [17:17] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:17] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:17] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) joined ##slackware. [17:17] I'm gonna get the solution tattooed on my arm. [17:17] Cann0n, even if you restore the mbr you are still going to need install lilo or something [17:17] to boot [17:18] Cann0n: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/XXX bs=512 count=1 should work, IIRC. of course replace XXX with your drive. [17:18] dive: won't matter. I'm gonna install slackware [17:18] chess, yes iirc too [17:19] that will wipe MBR. you may want to double check this before doing it. google dd and mbr or something [17:19] chess: thanks. should it be 446 os 512? [17:19] Cann0n, excellent! slackware installation has option of installing bootloader to mbr [17:19] 446 [17:19] Nick change: exbio_ -> exbio [17:20] but it wouldn't. [17:20] I believe I used 512 [17:20] i think its 512. the first 512bytes off the first disk holds the mbr [17:20] I've had this problem 2 other times. [17:20] ould this ruin my partition tables? [17:20] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:20] ait... if the dh is blank, it wont matter [17:20] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [17:20] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [17:20] w key i sticky. sorry. [17:21] Cann0n, that sucks fedora put grub on u without informing :( [17:21] Action: mikl0 was reading for some context to your mbr issues. [17:22] Yep. I'm totally pissed about it. Fedora is pure fuxhit. Excuse my foul mouth. [17:23] its ok, pissed is not such a bad word [17:23] i'm reading it's 446. [17:24] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@user-160urts.cable.mindspring.com expired. [17:24] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@user-160urts.cable.mindspring.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:24] Cann0n, whats in ur mbr anyways? [17:24] i won't wreck this harddrive say... bs=600+ [17:25] everything I see says 512 [17:25] mikl0: the boot loader [17:25] hmm [17:25] 512 contains both mbr and partition table [17:25] well, i trust a fellow slacker. 512 it is [17:25] Nick change: dErFz -> derfz [17:25] Cann0n, i know what mbr is i meant in yours specifically [17:25] grub [17:25] ananke: yes, that sounds bout right [17:26] a grub us a small slimey worm that burrows in the ground and eats plants :p [17:26] Cann0n: don't trust me; I don't know anything :-) [17:26] sigh..... [17:26] read-only [17:27] check your bios settings [17:27] dive: they are good lost time i checked [17:27] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [17:27] sr0 is read only. any hints? [17:27] since you got a BSOD with your win xp disk, are you sure this is not hardware related? [17:28] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:28] well for a mbr to be read only, either it's a bios setting or fc totally fscked up the hdd [17:28] sr0?? [17:28] chess: this is a brand ne laptop. [17:28] kehcho (~kehcho@kehcho.tk) joined ##slackware. [17:28] its prolly his bios anti-virus keeping the mbr from getting updated [17:28] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:28] hi all [17:28] i'll check the bios again [17:28] Cann0n: tell that to new Toyota owners ;-) [17:29] Cann0n, pastebin fdisk -l [17:29] can't pastebin [17:29] true [17:29] laptop has nothing on the hdd. i'm using the slackware install [17:29] unixfool (~OU812@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [17:29] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:30] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:30] Nick_Patterson (~c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-mwuabxmdcpgwndae) joined ##slackware. [17:30] nothing in the biol [17:30] bios* [17:30] i wish i could just format the entire POS [17:30] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.199) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [17:31] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.13.109.87) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:32] Cann0n, run fdisk -l and just type out the output [17:32] on a pastebin [17:32] can't be that much [17:33] sr0 is usually an optical disk afaik [17:33] Cann0n if you install lilo on the mbr it should wipe whats there in theroy [17:33] or alternativly you could use that grub to boot your drives [17:34] grub sucks. [17:34] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] grub is a PITA, yes. [17:35] you're just jealous that lilo is a 10-year-old program :P [17:35] lilo is simple. You edit, save, run, write mbr, done. [17:35] Really? I always thought Grub was simple and easy to use :) [17:35] no fuss, no muss. [17:35] thumbs: agreed [17:35] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [17:35] true, but you can't do complicated BIOS un-messups, or load other OSen easily [17:35] i still fumble with grub [17:35] I have yet to find anything lilo wont load properly [17:35] thumbs: grub takes one step away from that procedure :) [17:35] grub in 100% fail [17:36] thumbs: if your BIOS is really stupid, grub is usually your only option [17:36] adaptr: say what? [17:36] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:36] ananke: ok, call me old fashioned. [17:36] remapping devices. something lilo can't do [17:37] darkwurm: I own a mobo that allows to to either set the IDE drives to occupy two SATA slots, in which case whatever was there doesn't exist anymore, or use IDE mode in which case it denies even having SATA ports.... [17:37] ananke: mmmm good point. [17:37] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:37] or maybe it was the exact reverse, I'm too scared to remember [17:37] now, if grub2 would finally be released this coming decade [17:37] unixfool: slackboy still not getting auto op's after a netsplit for some reason? [17:37] plus, hi-res load graphics ! [17:38] ananke: I thought it was released [17:38] is slackware using usbfs? [17:38] adaptr: I figured as much, graphics sure are pretty [17:39] adaptr: quite possibly. we've been waiting for it for the past decade :) [17:40] person (~ed@92.21.247.103) joined ##slackware. [17:40] the funny thing is that most folks who complain grub simply don't know how to use it. which is ironic, since this is #slackware, and you have to learn how to use things :) [17:41] lilo is the default slack bootloader [17:41] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:42] Skywise: and? [17:42] ananke: I was not complaining. I'm just old-fashioned. [17:42] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:42] I think whowever decided the default bootloader flipped a coin. [17:42] thumbs: i didn't have you in mind [17:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] ananke: oh. [17:42] Nick_Patterson: of course not. grub is a whipper-snapper newcomer [17:42] Nick_Patterson: and not to mention that slackware existed before grub [17:42] you can live a lifetime on slack and never come across grup [17:42] slackware predates grub by at least 5 years [17:43] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [17:43] :0 [17:43] er grub [17:43] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:43] :O [17:43] i mean... [17:43] Skywise: grub is nice though [17:43] Nick_Patterson: you did know it was the first distro to not require assembly skills and advanced maths degrees, yes ? [17:44] adaptr: ubuntu ? [17:44] maybe, but i don't have any trouble getting lilo to do what i want, even booting from a raid [17:44] :D [17:44] adaptr: I know it's a fairly easy distro to use. [17:44] for most intents and purposes (unless you wish to wax lyrically about yggdrasil) it was the first distro [17:44] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.25.173) joined ##slackware. [17:44] sup nachox ! [17:44] adaptr: Sorry didn't mean easy, I meant straightforward. [17:44] and I wasn't commenting on that :) [17:45] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] hows everything guys? hows vegas? [17:45] jetlagged to hell [17:45] not winning jack either [17:45] lol [17:45] having fun tho [17:45] just taking a break from losing [17:45] unixfool: roofies ? [17:46] :D [17:46] hehe [17:46] hehe [17:46] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [17:46] hey nachox, how are you? [17:46] greetings unixfool [17:46] i can't afford to lose money gambling it [17:46] heya fire|bird ! [17:46] thumbs: do you have a preferred IM client ? [17:46] grub is too greedy and as Cann0n has found out, it sometimes doesn't want to let go of control [17:46] adaptr: bltbee? [17:47] heheh [17:47] adaptr: or even pidgin? [17:47] adaptr: yah, bitlbee [17:47] :D [17:47] I thought pidgin was the devil [17:47] I ditched it PDQ [17:47] adaptr: it is [17:47] just my opinion I've had more bootloading issues in grub that lilo [17:47] I preferred amsn or kopete, even [17:47] i use pidgin at work (thru our sametime server) [17:47] it ain't bad...it does the job [17:48] darkwurm: I havent, I've had to reinstall lilo every now and then... grub I've never had to reinstall =) [17:48] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [17:49] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [17:50] kehcho__ (~kehcho@162.122.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:52] kehcho (~kehcho@kehcho.tk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:52] Nick change: kehcho__ -> kehcho [17:53] snL20: exactly my point, I want it to go away when I want it to not keep it forever [17:54] darkwurm: use dd :P [17:54] Nick change: derfz -> dErFz [17:54] had a kernel panic while installing slack13......... [17:55] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:55] Cann0n, no luck at all today eh [17:55] nope. [17:55] `Dante` (~kvirc@72.94.197.230) joined ##slackware. [17:55] None what so ever. [17:55] Cann0n, how far did the install get? [17:55] l [17:56] dive: to the kernel panic :D [17:56] . [17:56] packages l [17:56] did you choose target partitions? [17:56] unixfool, and i thought you were going to vegas for the black hat conference :P I knew you were going but i didnt know the date till i saw it in facebook [17:56] what did you choose for / [17:56] yeah lol. i'm trying again. [17:56] LOL [17:56] /dev/sda1 linux native, formated to ext4 [17:57] verizon is too cheap to pay for me to go to BH. :| [17:57] noramlly i select the swap partition as sda1. Maybe if i do it the other way around, grub will go away? [17:57] this is a bad weekend to visit too...superbowl weekend [17:57] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [17:58] well, its good if your intent is to participate in superbowl activities, yeah, but i'm here because we're celebrating my wife's birthday (she's family here) [17:58] I've never had so much trouble installing slack [17:58] except the 2 other times grub dug into the mbr [17:58] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:59] well it shouldn't make any difference which partition you use for swap so long as you set it up with cfdisk [17:59] lilo -M mbr will overwrite the mbr [17:59] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:59] yeah, i'm gonna have to make a bot stick for slack [17:59] How does one import the daily definition database from a file instead of direct download in clamav anyone know? [18:00] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:01] lilo -M mbr hmmm? [18:01] hiptobecubic: freshclam should have options for it [18:01] its -M mbr [18:02] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:02] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] lilo -M - write a Master Boot Loader on a device [18:02] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:03] yeah but the slack install should do that anyway [18:03] hopefully it will do that. [18:04] i thought that running lilo by default would write to the mbr? i've never had to specify it. [18:04] i always run lilo -t -v, then lilo -v FWIW. [18:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:06] its to install the boot loader on the mbr [18:06] nearly done installing. sweat drips from forehead. [18:06] this is cake [18:07] any problem you can fix in a day is easy [18:07] It's normally cake. [18:07] still is [18:07] agentc0re: when I used lilo I just did /sbin/lilo after a kernel install, always worked [18:07] you haven't had to do any coding yet [18:07] or take anything apart [18:07] just had to try stuff [18:08] Ok, I'm at the lilo install screen on the setup [18:08] simple, expert, or skip [18:09] simple [18:09] simple [18:09] lol [18:09] purple [18:09] agentc0re: just made sure I had a boot=/dev/whatever in lilo.conf :) [18:09] ananke, are you sure? I still can't find it for some reason [18:09] any extra parameters? [18:10] no [18:10] hiptobecubic: after taking a second look, i'm not sure. i've never needed such functionality [18:10] ananke, there must be a way. [18:10] install on mbr or root? [18:10] mbr [18:10] 10wtfs!!!!!!!!!! [18:10] I did that same shit 4 times today and it said couldn't write to mbr [18:11] Cann0n: depends do you want lilo to be your primary bootloader ? [18:11] Cann0n, probably because you were trying to write to sr0 [18:11] noit orks. only thing i did different as in cfdisk set up the swap last [18:11] well doing it right, usually works better [18:11] does your BIOS have the mbr protection thing? sometimes that can stop a bootloader from being written to the MBR [18:11] no, sr0 was a fluke when i was on a live cd [18:11] no bios protection. [18:12] Pig_Pen: the so called virus protection iirc =) [18:12] yeah [18:12] ananke, i think you just copy it right into /var/lib/clamav [18:12] that's gotta be it. Creating the root partition first. [18:12] `Dante` (~kvirc@72.94.197.230) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [18:12] Nick_Patterson (~c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-mwuabxmdcpgwndae) left irc: Quit: Page closed [18:12] yes, you have to make your partitions before setup [18:12] setup only formats them [18:12] Cann0n: I suppose you set your root to be your swap and your swap to be your root then =) [18:13] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:13] if he set the partition types right, it should of got them right too [18:13] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-244-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:13] snL20: no. I normally just create the swap first because it's easier on my brian with the math. [18:14] thats what i do [18:14] make the first partition the size you want and the rest goes to root [18:14] Cann0n: eh, create the swap dont write the changes, note how much space is left, delete the swap create the root use the rest for swap [18:14] =) [18:14] Yeah. That's the ONLY thing i did different. [18:15] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-244-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] snL20: yeah, but i didnt thing it would effect lilo and the mbr [18:15] wtf is that on the startup screen? a badger? [18:15] Cann0n: well, I'm not 100% sure, but I'd think it wouldnt :] as the mbr is not in the partition afaik [18:16] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Cann0n, that's Tuz [18:16] Cann0n: are you serious? [18:16] Tazmanian Wombat [18:16] Cann0n: badger badger badger [18:17] I'm gonna have to tweak my lilo because it's out of wack on the colors [18:17] agentc0re: dude! i'm serial! [18:17] :D [18:17] lol [18:17] tazmanian wombat of destruction and ending life as we know it! :P [18:17] did slack get a new mascot? [18:17] I'm been out of the tech loop for a while... [18:17] agentc0re: patrick has replaced tux with a wombat! :D [18:17] Action: agentc0re facepalms [18:18] Cann0n, it's in the kernel [18:18] badgers are badadd little critters, i once drove up to a badger on a dirt road and it procedded to attack the front tire on my suv, if i didnt haul ass out of there it would have surely tore a hole in it and ruined a tire [18:18] oh. [18:18] Tux is on holiday [18:18] It's ugly as piss. I ant tux up there to match my tattoo [18:19] Cann0n: you can avoid that sillyness with the expert install of lilo ;) [18:19] and pick your colors to start with [18:19] Pig_Pen: just think of you would have to change it ! :D [18:19] s/of/if/ [18:19] i would have drove on a flat before i got out to tangle with a badger, i did not want to shoot it [18:19] i picked 256. i should have gone with the 32k [18:19] darkwurm: yeah, expert ftw [18:19] slack 13 should be set up with a black slackware screen [18:19] I wasn't sure. I'll change it sater. [18:20] dive: slackware should show the fecking bootup msgs fcol! [18:20] :D [18:20] kde4 is ca-ca. [18:20] I'm talking about lilo screen fcol [18:21] It's a Tazmanian Devil [18:21] dive: install=text ! [18:22] Action: dive facepalms [18:22] snL20, which version of slackware are you running? [18:22] dive: LMAO [18:22] 13.0 is my guess [18:22] dive: eh, at the moment I'm not using slackware on my desktop, just my firewall =) [18:23] the lilo screen from 13.0 on shows a black lilo screen with SLACKWARE in big white letters [18:23] and OS choice [18:23] snL20: it does show the "fecking bootup msgs". what are you really wanting to see? [18:23] hmm, anyone have a link to a pic of the wombat? [18:23] agentc0re: lol [18:24] agentc0re: I dont want to see any graphics, like bloody tux or a wombat :D [18:24] KDE is a hog [18:24] It runs fine on my P4 [18:24] not a memory hog per se, but a pig [18:24] Skywise, it's on wikipedia [18:24] pat should add lxde [18:24] Skywise: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+tazmanian [18:24] ananke: why? [18:24] and kill blackbox [18:24] Pat should dump KDE4 like he did gnome a few years ago, xfce and all the other window managers are plenty [18:25] NaCl: to replace some of the ancient light wms [18:25] NaCl: well, I have an X2 2GHz and it is consuming 80% CPU when all I'm doing is IRC and MSN [18:25] I'm just glad i fonally got this working. thanks for the help guys. [18:25] thrice`: yeh, screw blackbox.... fluxbox ftw :D [18:25] adaptr: probably because you need to disable nepomuk [18:25] thrice`: amen. blackbox is obsolete [18:25] adaptr: what is showing to consume all the cpu? [18:25] NaCl: no, it's kded4 eating one entire CPU, and X eating the rest [18:25] Probably file indexing [18:25] So in short. Today's lesson is to setup the root parititon FIRST, then swap. This lets lilo overwrite the mbr [18:25] oh thats such a bad idea [18:26] adaptr: what process? [18:26] adaptr: I remember that happening [18:26] blackbox and fluxbox are too similar, keep one and dump the other and include openbox [18:26] restart KDE [18:26] NaCl: sure, hardly a solution though [18:26] It's a bug. [18:26] I'm gonna see if I can't get this bad boy on line with the dial up [18:26] tuz is um wrong [18:26] brb [18:26] when I do log out of this, I will be in XFCE [18:26] thankfully kde 4.4 has a redesigned db for nepomuk, which is supposed to be much faster. [18:26] sometimes my kinit starts consuming a ton of CPU too, for no reason at all [18:26] Pig_Pen: basically dump blackbox... fb ftw :D [18:26] Skywise: well at least you know how to use google now. [18:26] besides devils have a tuft of white on their chests [18:27] i knew about the googles [18:27] Pig_Pen: in reality though get rid of kde! :D [18:27] ananke: Dumping KDE is not really a good idea. [18:27] yeah, blackbox does not see enough progess, at least fluxbox has a following [18:27] ananke: I don't think you said that [18:27] NaCl: i never said to dump kde. you're confusing me with somebody else :) [18:27] openbox is even better than flux, of course :> much snappier [18:27] ananke: yeah, caught myself, my bad. :) [18:27] ananke: is LXDE stable? [18:27] NaCl: from my experience, very much so. [18:28] It looks kind of like XFCE [18:28] NaCl, it's openbox + additional apps [18:28] NaCl: it's a great light wm, yet offers a familiar interface. i'd say where xfce looks/feels like gnome, lxde looks/feels like kde [18:28] i love the way openbox manages application windows, if they dont open maximized then they open in the exact center of the screen, none of that half off the screen jive [18:28] NaCl: well I didnt say dump it I said get rid of it, assasinate the developers or something :D [18:28] Pig_Pen: and on multimon setups ? [18:28] Um... [18:29] i only have one montor :9 [18:29] lxde looks like XFCE and KDE had babies. [18:29] ananke: agreed [18:29] Links2 (Ctrl@shpd-92-101-175-129.vologda.ru) left ##slackware ("exit"). [18:29] NaCl: i've found lxde to be a bit more usable than xfce on my netbook [18:29] and it seems snappier too. starts faster [18:29] I'd rather have something like fluxbox for that [18:30] Action: NaCl retracts that [18:30] NaCl: lol [18:30] ananke: cool. Do you have a slackbuild for it? [18:30] NaCl: you want ratpoison obviously :D [18:30] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:30] snL20: why even use X? [18:30] xfce isn't as light weight as they claim :> [18:30] agentc0re: unfortunately, i don't. i don't use slackware on that netbook [18:30] thrice`, there's always a reason. [18:30] honestly, I'm not sure it consumes less than a basic gnome install [18:30] NaCl: for watching pr0n :D [18:31] ananke: Oh, looks like eric made one. [18:31] xfce is what gnome-2.x should have been [18:31] featureless? [18:31] :> [18:31] lulz! [18:31] Cann0n (1337@dialup-4.91.96.156.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] ananke: yeah, windows 7 ftw :D [18:32] one more stupid Q. I never touched a .tgx... I want to instal wicd from /extra [18:32] snL20: actually, i wanted windows 7 on it. but since it's a 16GB ssd, i couldn't dual boot. so i have winxp + linux on it [18:32] Cann0n: installpkg ? [18:32] Cann0n: if you are running 13.0, you don't [18:33] It's broken and Pat still hasn't replaced the package [18:33] ananke: O_O 16gb! that's small, I have a 10year old laptop here that has 10gb =) [18:33] Pat wont' replace it [18:33] it's a wicd bug, not a slackware bug [18:33] That was fixed. [18:33] so tgx is like a .tgz? [18:33] snL20: it's sufficient for this little guy [18:33] agentc0re: I have a full set of LXDE packages [18:34] Cann0n: tgx? [18:34] eh, once the wicd devs release a fixed version, he can't package it up and put it in patches? [18:34] NaCl, do you know how many packages would show up in patches/ if Pat put in bug-fix releases? [18:34] It is .txz [18:34] that's hat I mean. [18:34] NaCl we only put fixes to critical hols in /patches [18:34] Ok. [18:34] All the rest goes into -current [18:35] It's a bit of a showstopper for some people. [18:35] NaCl: maybe try slackbuilds.org [18:35] nothing you can do with wicd that you couldn't do with rc.inet1.conf and/or wpa_supplicant [18:35] every project has bug-fix releases, pat can't provide them all [18:36] I know I know. [18:36] alienBOB: Yup, i found them when i was searching around. trying grab them now. Thank you. :D [18:36] Ok, I'm not going to comment about this anymore. [18:36] Urchlay: I hop on many different AP's when I go to town. [18:36] snL20: Nope. [18:36] agentc0re: read that README which accompanies it. It points to the way to get it all integrated [18:36] NaCl: ok... [18:37] I'd rather just have an easy way to connect to them [18:37] Action: snL20 is currently using archlinux =) [18:37] snL20: it's not there, that's why. [18:37] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [18:37] RobDob (~rpedrica@dsl-145-120-66.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [18:37] NaCl: I said ok :) [18:37] "ok..." != "ok" [18:38] Cann0n: what about getting a fixed (newer) version of wicd and building it with pat's wicd.SlackBuild? [18:38] alienBOB: what's your view on lxde in slack? [18:38] Urchlay: that might work [18:38] unless python get bumped, the wicd from -currnet should work fine on 13 [18:38] It hasn't been. [18:38] Urchlay: yeah' I'll end p doing that probably [18:38] gets bumped* [18:38] thrice`: currnet! the new improved slackware :D [18:39] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:40] is sbopkg still good? [18:40] yes. [18:40] Cann0n: what's that ? [18:40] snL20: sbopkg.org [18:40] ananke: LXDE is fast, not pretty but functional, and very suitable for low-end computers - like netbooks [18:41] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:41] i used lxde for a bit on my netbook [18:42] fire|bird: eh, yeah, dont need that :D [18:42] ended up going back to kde because of my addiction to konsole [18:42] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:42] you could go to Konsole Anonymous [18:42] haha. [18:42] sadsfae: heh, I only use urxvt [18:42] I use konsole. :P [18:43] I use aterm! [18:43] Ternubak ftw! [18:43] thumbs: eh, no unicode iirc [18:43] uhm "Terminal"* [18:43] ha. :P [18:43] snL20: I don't need any! [18:43] thumbs: [18:43] BP{k}, wtf? [18:43] How did that happen? :P [18:44] snL20: see? ALl chinese to me. [18:44] thrice`: what? [18:44] lol [18:44] Ternubak?? heh [18:44] thumbs: its not chinese =) [18:44] ok now KDE is quiet again - beats me how this works [18:44] thrice`: yeah, my fingers sorta lost their way on the keyboard. :) [18:44] snL20: to me it is. [18:44] Action: thrice` takes BP{k}'s beer [18:45] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:45] Action: BP{k} switches over on gin, whisky, vodka, bourbon, wine, port, cider. [18:45] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:45] adaptr: lol [18:46] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:47] I prefered Ternubak [18:47] I thought it was perhaps a new variant of dropdown console, there are some very funny names there [18:47] beer! [18:47] much beer! ;) [18:49] macavity (~macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Cann0n (1337@dialup-4.91.96.156.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:49] just archived the channel logs going back from Jun 2004 to Dec 2009...got it down to 198 megs of mostly compressed files (didn't compress 2010 logs) [18:50] unixfool: did you update the chatstats? [18:51] is it broke? [18:51] I wonder how many lines it is in total. [18:51] its been a while since i checked, but last i did it was static [18:51] So much text... [18:51] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [18:52] yeah, cat * | wc -l :) [18:52] shadowx (~7350@93.183.131.3) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:52] i should make slackware_stats2/ into slackware_stats/ [18:52] unixfool: Old_Fogie hasnt been seen for months [18:53] nullboy hasnt been seen for ages either [18:53] i also have no clue why my nick has a 1 in front of it.. [18:54] It doesn't. [18:54] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:54] straterra: it does in the stats. [18:54] In the stats. [18:54] oh [18:54] l for...lame! :) [18:54] Not that it really matters but maybe it's a sign of broken. [18:54] macavity, which link are you looking at? [18:54] 1, I. :P [18:54] Camarade1Tux too [18:54] s/,/not [18:54] unixfool: stats2 [18:55] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:55] notKlaatu (~klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:55] in stats2/, there's no way to tell when they were last within the channel, no? [18:56] it just shows how active they've been, even if the last time they were here was 2 months ago. [18:56] it shows overall activity [18:56] not last activity [18:56] strange that someone who left IRC a year ago is still shown as one of the most active users, though [18:56] neither Old_Fogie nor nullboy has been seen in here for at least 6 months [18:57] thrice`++ [18:57] thrice`: if the stats don't lie, that means he was unusually verbal [18:57] that's because they chatted too much [18:57] lol [18:57] lol [18:57] look at their stats [18:57] I'd guess more that the stats aren't updating :) [18:57] perhaps they talked to eachother [18:58] or the stats FAILED [18:58] the script is reaching back through years of logs [18:58] at least two years worth, i think [18:58] i can reset it if you'd like [18:58] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:59] urso_ze_colmeia (~urso_ze_c@189.107.111.218) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:59] could you make it look back, say, 90 days in a rolling fashion? [18:59] unixfool: it doesn't allow to show by year or anything like that? [18:59] every time the script runs (twice an hour), it parses 2 yrs worth of logs...that's why its taking 4 min to parse everytime it parses [19:00] agentc0re, not that i'm aware, no [19:00] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:00] agentc0re: Most of the scripts just look at the logs, gather stats, that's it, only way to really seperate is to actually move or delete the logs you don't want it to see. [19:01] that's also probably why its showing nullboy and old_fogie in the logs...because its reaching way back [19:01] fire|bird, correct [19:01] i cant belive i hit enter 56850 times within the last 408 days in this channel.. taken into consideration that i took a 4 months break :P [19:01] Action: macavity is obviously an IRC junkie [19:01] LOL [19:01] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:01] haha [19:01] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [19:02] fire|bird: hrm. still, just because all the logs are there from years ago doesn't mean it can't sort data by year. [19:03] agentc0re, i didn't create the script [19:03] i just use it [19:03] yikes.. and i still have top activity [19:03] unixfool: Oh i know. [19:03] agentc0re: right, it possibly could, but you'd need to edit the script to be able to sort that. [19:03] yep [19:03] closely followed by fire|bird (aka silvergold) [19:03] i'm probably going to refresh the stats soon [19:04] maybe tonight if i get too bored [19:04] http://www.df7cb.de/irc/pisg/pisg-month.html it does do that actually. :D [19:04] please... hide the evidence :P [19:04] all it takes is for me to move the logs around [19:04] macavity, lol! [19:04] yesterday, last week, last month, last year. [19:04] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] agentc0re, if i enable it, yeah [19:04] there's LOTs of stuff I didn't enable [19:04] unixfool: cron job to make sure only 90 days of logs are in the dir it scans? [19:05] agentc0re: for example, lets say you have the logs as ##slackware.02.05.2010.log, you could, if you wanted, have it look at that date and if it's < 2010, then exclude it. [19:05] and there's lots of requests that I get...'turn on this feature'...'do this'...'don't do this' [19:05] its a cool tool and all but i can't make everyone happy either [19:05] unixfool: slackboy is eggdrop, isn't it? [19:05] yeah [19:05] unixfool: I've been messing with that myself lately, it's fun. :) [19:06] unixfool: honnestly i just want stats that are somewhat representative of current events [19:07] i dont care about all the fancy stuff [19:07] Links2 (~Ctrl@shpd-92-101-175-129.vologda.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:07] activity and activity by hours seems usefull [19:07] perhaps a sliding window of 6 months with cumulatives on the side [19:08] i think the stats are representative enough of what's happened in the logs, really. just because a guy or gal left 4 months ago doesn't mean that their activity in the last year should vanish [19:08] unixfool: different stats. activity vs participation [19:09] i have to give adaptr that one.. thats what i dont like about 408 days of consecutive scanning [19:10] one can argue that someone who has 20 million lines of chat hasn't participated (just trolled) [19:10] it wouldn't be useless to show that list, but showing it over a 14-month period is less than useful.. I'd do it per month a la awstats and then give the ability to drill down [19:10] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] darkwurm (~dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:10] its sorta cool that people are interested in the stats, though...there was a time when no one gave a crap [19:11] ok, I'll work on the representation of the stats, then [19:11] macavity: statistics can be used to show any metric you imagine, hence the common sarcasm [19:11] if only there was a way to measure the sarcasm..? [19:12] Action: NaCl grabs is sarcasm detector [19:12] unixfool: i am interested for several resons.. first off id like to see more OT move to ##slackware-offtopic, so the main channel get a higher signal/noise ratio [19:13] grrr. upgraded to firefox 3.6 from patches/, not impressed: I now have a tab I can't close. Anyone else have this? [19:13] i don't know if the stats can help with that [19:13] unixfool: also, there have been times when more ops (or present ops) have been needed... [19:13] Urchlay, no problems here [19:13] Urchlay, tried chrome yet? It's really fast here. [19:13] unixfool: shorter rolling intevals gives are more true image of who is "reliably" present/active [19:13] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:13] macavity: that calls for some advanced processing... heuristics detection, convo grouping, perhaps even a full graph on clumps [19:13] macavity, but it won't show who's trolling [19:13] none of which are impossible, but it's certainly not trivial [19:14] unixfool: trust me, it can come pretty close [19:14] the logs themselves will, but the stats themselves won't [19:14] unless you're looking at both [19:14] no interest in changing browsers, particularly not changing to a browser that lacks noscript (or does chrome have that now?) [19:14] unixfool: graphing the convos combined with heuristic searches can go a long way [19:14] Urchlay: chrome has that. [19:14] there are a few extensions [19:15] unixfool: obviously not.. but if someone who is well liked is nearly consequently online in a time block where the op team may be sleeping, it might point to a candidate [19:15] adblock plus? [19:15] Urchlay: that and AdSweep, yes. [19:15] adaptr, that's way beyond me...if you notice, i haven't been around much...IRL issues will trump feature requests such as those [19:15] it has an adblock extension [19:15] still not interested in changing browsers [19:15] Razec (1000@189-92-3-172.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:15] lol ok [19:16] unixfool: not suggesting you do any of that, but telling you that maths can come up with some pretty amazing answers sometimes [19:16] might play with chrome at some future time though [19:16] yeah, i know all about stats and metrics [19:16] chrome has one incredibly braindead omission [19:16] which is? [19:16] no mouse back/forward on the external buttons [19:16] unixfool: hell you are going to be snowed in for a month. :P [19:17] adaptr: works for me. [19:17] agentc0re: I admit I only tried chrome in windows [19:17] but there is no way to adjust any key mappings anyway [19:17] ding ding :P [19:17] which in itself is pretty braindead [19:17] adaptr: i've used it in both, worked in both just fine. [19:17] oh. Not a problem for me, I have no extra mouse buttons (left/right/middle, no wheel even) [19:17] XGizzmo: dude, tell me about it [19:17] adaptr: in UNIX that is done by the DE/WM [19:18] its a bit worse than that, though. I'm currently in Vegas...I might have a hard time getting back. [19:18] adaptr: freedesktop.org defines standard signals that the ED emits to the app [19:18] left my truck in long term parking...with no snow shovel [19:18] and they don't plow the parking area, it seems [19:18] we might get home but not be able to get out of the parking area [19:19] macavity: possibly, however in windows it is not - IE up to 7 lacked it, IE8 has it "suddenly" [19:19] grrr, 3.6 doesn't support mozex (or more properly, mozex doesn't support 3.6) [19:19] you got chains? [19:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] no...got 4WD (but with non-snow tires) [19:19] unixfool: whut? you cant buy dynamite in vegas?!? :P [19:19] you could always call a tow truck [19:19] LOL [19:20] yeah, and charge the airport...hehe [19:20] we'll see what happens [19:21] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:21] i'm sorta bummed i'm gonna miss the snow coming down, though [19:21] theres plenty of people stuck in the snow already [19:21] i've sorta had it with snow now.. county budget for snow clearing and salting has been blown, so now they just plainly dont do it... [19:22] bbiab...gonna check to see how much damage my wife is doing [19:22] global warming my royal behind.. [19:22] global wizarming owns [19:22] Links2 (~Ctrl@shpd-92-101-175-129.vologda.ru) left irc: Quit: quit [19:22] global warming doesn't mean everything is always warmer [19:22] in 100 years (if humans are still existing) the rich will have their awesome thingies to live in and everyone else will suffer! [19:22] it means storms and weather systems get stronger as well [19:23] but i'm not a proponent of global warming [19:23] i think its oversimplistic [19:23] lets be proponents of having better quality breathing air, how about that ? [19:23] theres natural variations in the global temp [19:23] gods dammit [19:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] thats what i think it should be [19:23] we should go to 0 emissions because its the safest thing to do [19:23] anyone know a firefox extension other than mozex that lets you edit textareas with an external editor? [19:24] we're long past the age where we think things just go away once its released into the air [19:24] Skywise: there's a million different opinions on it, the simple reality is that we can't model the earth well enough [19:24] yeah, for a lot of reasons [19:24] Skywise, that's why i dont care for "warming". i care about having better breathing function [19:24] guys, it was just a sarcastic joke [19:24] not enough data, not enough hardware, not enough science [19:24] Skywise: there have been periods during the pleistocene where co2 content was much, much higher than it is now [19:24] not an invitation for a political debate [19:24] guys, guys.. macavity said he's just a sarcastic joke [19:25] we're actually all in agreement [19:25] co2 content is only one thing for certain: the wrong thing to consider [19:25] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [19:25] i think we should strive for 0 emmissions in the air, land or water as a general principal [19:25] question all .. new to compiling [19:25] i think "global warming" was a flawed idea to come up with to try to convince people we need to emit less. they should've branded it cleaner air, healthier lives. [19:26] macman_: whats up? [19:26] yeah, it was definately a marketing decision [19:26] say i want to compile something and make it install to /usr/local/bin/ /usr/bin etc .. .. what i do a make install -prefix=/usr/local/bin [19:26] configure. [19:26] not make [19:26] oh [19:26] ./configure --help [19:26] Skywise: I suggest you stop breathing now, then. [19:26] macman_, it would just be /usr/local [19:26] a meteor the sise of a mountain could slam in to the earth and all the global warming / climate change wont amount to a hill of beans [19:26] >_< [19:27] Pig_Pen, the truth could come out about a lot of things we were told differently.. and we wont have to worry about global warming either! cause there'll be a civil war! [19:27] Pig_Pen: doesn't need to be that big.. chixchulub was only about 10 miles [19:28] and we will be gone like the dinosaurs [19:28] i'm not gonna stop breathing even after i'm dead [19:28] Action: Skywise starts using up everyone's air [19:28] so i would just do a /configure -prefix=/usr/local ? [19:29] Skywise, take the air behind my body [19:29] it's fresh! [19:29] then why is it green [19:29] you can't see it, although it's worm [19:29] warm [19:30] its quite perceptable [19:31] kehcho (~kehcho@162.122.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:31] ok question .. i just did it and nothing installed [19:31] well, you'd have to have some serious scent issues if you can't pick it up [19:31] sorry guys .. [19:31] macman_, after you configure, you must make install. [19:31] Links2 (~Ctrl@shpd-92-101-175-129.vologda.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:31] what version are you running [19:31] macman_, ./configure --prefix=/usr will tell your stuff to go to /usr . "make" compiles it, and "make install" installs it [19:32] man, the guitar solo in cover of rolling stone is the best ever recorded [19:32] ok, rolling stone and other crap like that is seriously off topic. [19:32] were big rock singers we got golden fingers and were loved everywhere we go [19:33] how can dr hook ever be off topic [19:36] joy. Now firefox 3.6 hath shat the bed, and fails to start... [19:36] Action: Urchlay "downgrades" back to 3.5.2, the hell with this [19:36] i'm sure it says why [19:37] http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad [19:37] $ firefox [19:37] $ [19:37] there a compile chat room or class ? [19:37] i wonder how they chose between that name and itampon since they were set on using such a bad name [19:37] Urchlay: perhaps they changed the link to firefox-bin [19:37] for some reason it didn't make anything in /usr [19:38] well first you make it, and then you make install it [19:38] it says nothing. Running "sh -x /usr/bin/firefox" shows me it sets some variables, then executes "/usr/lib64/firefox-3.6/run-mozilla.sh /usr/lib64/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin" [19:38] Razec (1000@189-92-3-172.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:39] manually executing that with "sh -x" shows me that it runs the binary "/usr/lib64/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin", which exits without printing any stdout/err stuff, and its exit status is 1 [19:39] i dont get it, why would anyone switch from a book made out of paper to an electronic ereader, i refuse to use ebooks, once you buy a pulp book nobody can turn it off or whatever, as long as you have eyes and light you can read [19:39] manually executing /usr/lib64/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin just exits instantly with exit status 1 [19:39] Pig_Pen, not to mention.. you can't share ebooks [19:40] this same binary was running 5 minutes ago, I exited it (the normal way, click the close button), and now it won't run again [19:40] maybe its still running [19:41] check top to see if it is hanging in the background Urchlay [19:41] or a zombie [19:41] it's not [19:41] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] no, it's exiting immediately, "ps auxwww|grep fire" shows no firefox processes running [19:42] is x still running? [19:42] mv ~/.mozilla ~/backup.mozilla and see if it could be something in there [19:42] not hung up? [19:42] "mv .mozilla dot.mozilla.old" and now firefox runs (of course, without any of my preferences, bookmarks, saved passwords, extensions, plugins, etc.) [19:42] so that means the old one was corrupted somehow [19:42] huh? Nothing wrong with X, or else I wouldn't be able to type on IRC right now either [19:43] gee, that's helpful [19:43] oh, i didn't know if you were on a console [19:43] maybe it could give me *some* indication of what file(s) cause the problem? [19:43] know what else is helpful? you simply bitching to yourself about every issue you see [19:43] Urchlay: Well at least you know where to start. Most people refuse to do what you did and, instead, start spamming the channel about how much they think FF sucks. [19:44] thrice`: eh, I was describing the problem in detail, hoping someone would go "Oh, I had that problem, here's how I fixed it..." [19:44] thrice`, stop bitching [19:44] thats a crapshoot [19:44] sorry if it came out as "bitchy", wasn't really meant to be [19:45] I guess that 90% of the problems people have with Firefox are actually plugin/extension issues. [19:45] i think theres a way to starup firefox in safemode [19:46] -safe-mode [19:46] yes.. only install AdBlock+ and nothing else :P [19:46] noscript [19:46] dont go to free porn sites.. then you wont need it [19:46] is it possible to remove a plugin by rm -rf'ing its subdir inside ~/.mozilla (assuming I can figure out which of the randomly-named subdirs it is)? [19:47] Urchlay: Put it back how it was and test -safe-mode [19:47] no, i think you do it thru the about:plugins screen if its not in options [19:47] its not --safe-mode [19:47] ? [19:47] are you even reading the firefox --help? [19:47] no [19:48] why don't you read that before you try to correct me? [19:48] it's -safe-mode, one dash [19:48] i was asking if it was since you said it twice i recognized it was deliberate [19:49] because option flags typically have -- [19:49] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-244-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:52] alienBOB: in the readme, the order you list your packages is the also the build order? [19:52] x11 options are -- and firefox are - [19:52] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [19:54] bleah. Back to my original question: anyone know of a firefox extension that lets me use a proper editor to edit textareas? mozex won't work with 3.6, and "viewsourcewith" not only doesn't work, it makes firefox fail to start... [19:55] you should roll back until you tools you use are ready for the current version [19:56] Urchlay: You could try Mr. Tech Toolkit addon and have it ignore version check and see if mozex will install. [19:57] http://karmatics.com/aardvark/ ??? Urchlay [19:57] I did that already, by editing the install.rdf and repacking mozex. It will install, but not actually work (its preferences dialog won't come up, its right-click menu options don't appear) [19:57] why go thru all the heartache when in a short time, i'm sure a proper version will come out for the latest firefox [19:57] whats that other extension that lets you edit on the fly? greasemonkey? [19:57] yeah, but it adds alot of overhead [19:58] Skywise: mozex hasn't been updated since firefox 3.0 was current [19:58] oh [19:58] editing the install.rdf lets it work on 3.5.x, but apparently not 3.6 [19:58] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:59] Pig_Pen: aardvark looks interesting, but it doesn't say anything about external editors for textarea content...? [20:01] ok, here's one called "it's all text" that appears to work [20:02] all i can say is try it, it only installs to ~/.mozilla/firefox/* not like to goes in to the firefox system [20:02] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:05] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:06] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [20:07] oh no [20:07] don't get all critical on us, plutonium [20:08] oh man I couldn't resist [20:08] lol [20:09] you think he's going to react? [20:09] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:10] he might, or might not... [20:10] bahahah [20:11] Action: lf4 sticks a neutron reflector near plutonium. [20:11] Action: antiwire runs [20:12] what isotope of plutonium ? [20:12] he's fluxing!! [20:12] somebody hook up the lightning rod! [20:12] adaptr doesn't get it [20:13] quick someone drop something on plutonium. [20:13] lol antiwire yeah. [20:13] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:13] antiwire: I guess you don't "get it", if "flux" and "lightning rod" don't combine for you... [20:14] where does lightening rod come into play with a nuclear flux? [20:14] flux as in neutron flux, not flux capacitor [20:15] check it out http://5pixels.blogspot.com/2009/07/ingenious-plan-to-pay-all-debts.html [20:17] Links2 (Ctrl@shpd-92-101-175-129.vologda.ru) left ##slackware ("exit"). [20:18] Nout (~Nout@shpd-92-101-175-129.vologda.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:20] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [20:21] talk about the buck stops here! good little article antiwire [20:22] hehe [20:22] If you look at that from the finance point of view, the guy checking out the rooms actually lost money. [20:23] urso_ze_colmeia (~urso_ze_c@189.107.111.218) joined ##slackware. [20:24] For the brief period of time that the money was out of his hands, he succumbed to an "opportunity cost", due to the time value of money. Keeping that in mind, he could have accrued an amount of interest, which he did not get in this case. [20:25] His money was used by someone else, it became utility for someone else, for free. [20:25] Nout (~Nout@shpd-92-101-175-129.vologda.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:27] yeah, but in the end he got it back and it relieved the debts of several people, so IMO no harm done [20:27] Indeed, no harm was done. Too bad it can't work like that in real world land [20:28] In real world land, people want their points [20:28] economics is just rationalizing the past to pretend to predict the future [20:28] It's actually betting on a future, not rationalizing that past [20:29] that/the [20:29] if the economy totally crashed and money made worthless everyone would be having to barter for goods [20:29] when a trend follows a curve, its not because of the curve [20:29] its the correlation isn't causation thing [20:29] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [20:30] so the fact the trend fits a curve doesn't mean the future will too, and when it doesn't a different shaped curved can be used to describe that as well [20:30] slysyr (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:30] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Quit: /me say LOL [20:30] All banking is a bet on the future, whether it is monetary banking, fuel banking, seed banking. It is all a bet against the future worth of the object being banked. [20:31] its the opposite [20:31] its banking on the dollar you get back will be worth more then the dollar you're lending now [20:35] finance is a confidence game wrapped around a shell game wrapped around a pyramid scheme [20:35] Pretty exactly what that story was getting at [20:35] Pretty much* [20:36] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] any recommendations for web based software for project management and problem tracking? [20:37] no, theres so many, its not even funny [20:37] you'd be better of picking something and then asking how you can make it do what you need [20:37] better off [20:38] theres so many approaches as well [20:38] theres webdav or a respository or a bug tracker [20:39] and you can roll various combinations of the 3 [20:39] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] greetings and salutations [20:40] theres no one size fits all kinda thing like apache in that respect [20:40] unixfool (OU812@about/slackware/wigglit) left ##slackware ("Like Moses parted the Red Sea, I part this channel"). [20:41] actually, i think the best approach is the typical foss way [20:41] find something you like and copy it [20:41] nice parting words... to bad Moses wasn't the one that did the parting... [20:41] then customize it [20:41] Action: andarius copies himself :o [20:42] no point in reinventing the wheel when you don't have to [20:42] oh, who did the parting? [20:43] Action: andarius did [20:44] PsYkHe (~psykhe@187.36.128.49) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:44] lol@andarius [20:44] i don't think charleton heston really did it [20:44] heh [20:45] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:45] pi31415: jira. [20:46] although it's skewed towards software development projects [20:46] pi31415: got any actual criteria for this? [20:47] you could use a wiki if you wanted to [20:47] or maybe a cms [20:48] Skywise: cms? wiki? good god, those would be so painful [20:48] especially cms [20:48] i'm just sayin,theres so many different things you can do [20:48] well it all depends on what they're making [20:48] i can't imagine a single project, which needs project management, to be able to use cms as a tracking tool [20:49] a library of documents [20:49] wiki would be suitable. not cms [20:50] it depends on the volume [20:50] Does anyone have one of these? the prices are wild, even on ebay http://www.usr.com/products/modem/modem-product.asp?sku=USR5637 [20:50] wiki is fine for smaller instances [20:50] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:50] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:50] Skywise: the implication that there needs to be project management implies volume [20:51] but when you have a group of authors who's work needs to be presented in a coherent way and publicised a cms lends itself to that [20:51] consider medical abstracts [20:52] Skywise: that's not part of project management [20:52] sure it is, the project is digitizing a particular library or science [20:52] you need away to collect the works and present them as well [20:52] not at all. project management is a process. you're talking about a deliverable, presenting the final results [20:52] thats what a cms does [20:52] but the cms can do the process too [20:53] cms in this case would be a final stage of the project. nothing to do with the process [20:53] including validation, editing and so on [20:53] it could be the infrastructure as well [20:53] Skywise: not at all. it has no elements of normal project management. it has no notion of tasks, timetables, resource utilization [20:54] the only thing that it shares with project management software is the fact that it's electronic [20:54] you can do that in modx, you can even assign roles and workflows [20:55] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] When I think of project management I think of time frames and "bin packing" problems. CMS brings thoughts of content, not time management. [20:55] so you'd need to build your own, if i'm reading this correctly, since modx is a framework [20:55] antiwire: exactly [20:55] it all depends on how you integrate it [20:55] the utility comes in how you use it [20:55] Skywise: got any examples of somebody actually using cms for project management? [20:55] nvision (~nvision@g224249188.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:56] sure, i have clients that do it routinely [20:56] Cann0n (0@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:56] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:56] Cann0n kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: IRCing as root is dangerous. Please reference "IRCing as root" via google.com for further guidance. [20:56] not if the utility means writing something from scratch [20:56] they do their publication systems on it [20:56] well thats one thing modx lends itself too [20:56] Skywise: publication systems are not project management [20:56] its easy to write php snippets to add the functionality you need [20:56] NTU (~neo1993@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] they are if publishing is the project [20:57] no, they're not [20:57] again, you're confusing the product with the process [20:57] hey guys. question: how do I edit my start up script to run hal and dbus at start up? in the install it asked me but i want to change my mind. [20:57] sure, the whole reason we use the system is so they don't have to be experts in anything but typing their text [20:57] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:57] oops... [20:57] lol [20:57] Skywise: you just mentioned writing php snippets [20:58] thats what i do [20:58] NTU, chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.{hald,messagebus} [20:58] How do I set the keymap in a user? [20:58] the client just types, cuts and pastes [20:58] but they create and manage their own projects [20:58] loadkeys doesn't do anything in fluxbox [20:58] Skywise: which only illustrates the problem: you have to modify code to make it work [20:58] thrice` that turns them into executables. i want them to turn on at start up [20:58] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:58] NTU, they will :> the init script checks if they are +x, and loads them if so [20:58] custom integration is what i do [20:59] so i dont need to edit a file by hand? nice! [20:59] does modx have a notion of resource allocation, scheduling, budget management? [20:59] NTU, nope :> it won't work with ANY script in /etc/rc.d, but slack's init knows to look for those ones already [20:59] there are modules for that [20:59] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] its a framework [21:00] how you implement it, is up to you [21:00] How do I change the keymap to dvorak in Fluxbox? [21:00] thrice`: thank you :D you are awesome. you take care. i'll come back if i need anything else if that's ok. [21:00] Skywise: so it's no longer cms only. [21:00] nope, only 1 question per install [21:00] I have dvorak set as the default. It's also the only keymap called in xorg.conf [21:01] no, its primarily a cms, thats how it ships, but because its modular, you can make it do your bidding [21:01] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [21:01] ah you got a sense of humor as well. :p [21:01] no he's serious dude [21:01] :/ [21:01] lol [21:01] NTU, good luck :) [21:01] Skywise: so it's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole [21:01] NTU (~neo1993@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:01] dude, i am so good at that now [21:02] Skywise: just because you have experience with that, doesn't mean that everybody who's looking for a project management system is interested in hiring a full time developer [21:03] sure, for that matter we can recommend python or ruby for project management [21:04] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:04] i'd never dream of it, but its not that much of a stretch [21:05] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:05] mica_ (~chatzilla@124.43.40.215) joined ##slackware. [21:06] Bugz__ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-74-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] it'd be a hell of a lot harder to make otrs into a cms [21:07] mica (~chatzilla@124.43.39.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:09] too bad i can't even get to otrs' website [21:09] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-71-69.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:09] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-71-69.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:09] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-74-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] oh, its a bug tracking/ticket managment system [21:10] that's what google says, but i can't see any screenshots [21:10] ahh, now we go [21:10] have you found any project management stuff that doesnt suck [21:10] i fooled around with dotproject for a while, it was alright [21:11] no, i find working with what you know is often faster then learning something new [21:11] GooseYArd: project management sucks in general :) [21:11] yeah, its a nice concept, doesn't really work well in practice [21:11] yah ive wound up just using bugzilla for it [21:11] at least then I can link projects with change requests [21:12] deadlock (~no_uid@unaffiliated/deadlock) joined ##slackware. [21:12] well, it doesn't work well when you're doing novel projects and can't quantify everything before hand [21:12] most of our folks opted for jira or jira + greenhopper [21:13] that gives them both project management and issue tracking. for plain ol' trouble ticket system we use rt [21:14] same here for RT [21:14] i think no matter what you have, its the people using it that are the biggest problem [21:15] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [21:15] yeah with just a little bit of discipline you can make anything work [21:15] that's why the task of said software is to make it easier to introduce folks [21:16] i tried using horde for a project once [21:16] Bugz__ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-74-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:16] that was a nightmare [21:16] no one understood it at all [21:16] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-74-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] i can imagine. i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole [21:17] i use it personally because i like its comics module [21:17] better go shovel some snow [21:17] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:17] i'm not even bothering. it will snow all day tommorow again [21:17] im shoveling like every 3-4" or so [21:18] yeah i had to brush off my dishes [21:18] it's the second weekend i can't go to sam's club, due to snow [21:18] shoveling 2 feet or so around christmas all at once was too much [21:18] lost picture twice today so far [21:18] ananke where you at? [21:18] the snow is big wet flakes and sticking to everything [21:19] GooseYArd: virginia, southwestern part [21:19] oh no kidding, im up in fairfax [21:19] i got family from there [21:19] i'm in md [21:19] i gotta lot o folks in roanoke [21:19] sky oh neat where in md? [21:19] yeah and danville [21:19] we had a wet snow earlier, probably 8" or so. now it's sleeting, and it's going to freeze [21:19] silver springs [21:19] GooseYArd: i'm in blacksburg [21:19] oh no kidding [21:19] just up the road [21:20] yeah [21:20] ananke oh cool [21:20] you at school? [21:20] i almost went to VT [21:20] nope, i work for vt.edu [21:20] ok [21:21] this is something interesting http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tech-tip-tcpip-access-using-bash [21:22] hah i never remember to try that [21:22] ive been using netcat so long i dont think i could break myself of the habit [21:23] same here, although i always find myself typing 'nc' on distros that ship with 'netcat' [21:23] I always screw up port and listen port [21:24] i've been resigned to never knowing everything you can do with bash a long time ago [21:24] although i don't see /dev/tcp [21:25] id like to make a wiki of obscure bash trivia [21:25] maybe its virtual [21:25] bash just does the right thing when you invoke it [21:25] ananke: I don't seem to have it either. [21:25] it works [21:26] Seems like it is virtual [21:29] abarahc (~abarahc@189.82.246.38) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Has anyone traveled by airline in the US recently? How do they handle prescriptions? [21:30] recently as in last 3 months or so? [21:30] its from the --enable-net-redirections option in compiling bash [21:30] you need to keep them in their own bottles [21:30] don't put them in pill trays [21:30] but i don't think theres any new rules [21:30] not me, last flight I had was auf Deutschland [21:30] abarahc (~abarahc@189.82.246.38) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:32] Action: andarius travels a lot but no prescriptions. I think they just Id check against the bottle [21:32] if anything [21:33] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:34] just don't have a giant bottle of anything unlabeled [21:37] just check the tsa website or call your airlines and ask [21:38] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:58] it bans root [22:58] urso_ze_1olmeia (~urso_ze_c@189.107.16.144) left irc: Client Quit [22:58] uid 0 in that case, there's a separate root ban too [22:59] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [23:01] urso_ze_colmeia (~urso_ze_c@189.107.111.218) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:01] does anyone know a way to show what git is currently tracking? [23:02] Can someone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/d65c4a612 [23:02] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:02] hey [23:03] I'm trying to upgrade my alsa utilities package, grabbed the build files from /current and the source for 1.0.22 from the alsa site. [23:04] to use current, you have to upgrade the entire system [23:04] weirfghliewugfh (~ksljdbfvi@68.232.112.232.dynamic.dejazzd.com) joined ##slackware. [23:05] i wish i wasn't on dial up... [23:05] hello #slackware [23:05] Hi [23:05] I just grabbed the build files, the build script, the diff.gz, etc. [23:05] peacedog: what are you doing? [23:06] Cann0n, trying to upgrade the alsa utilities package. [23:06] Why? [23:06] peacedog: check if the diff still applies to the version you are using [23:06] that is, in both senses of the word [23:06] macavity: How? [23:07] zcat diff.gz | less and see what it does [23:07] then check the coresponding source and see if it has been fixed [23:08] Reticenti: "git branch" will show a "*" next to the branch you're in [23:08] rworkman: yeah, but how do i show all the files under that branch [23:08] Reticenti: you want to switch to a different branch? [23:09] git checkout [23:09] rworkman: no, no, If I'm in branch dev, I want to see all of the files taht dev holds [23:09] peacedog: you may need to unpack the diff and edit it.. in case hunk 2 has been fixed, or the code has been moved a couple of lines.. [23:09] hrm [23:10] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:10] i am not trying to store the a result of executing this command to the variable but instead what i want to be executed when i call the variable. "PRGNAME="awk -F/ '{print $4}'" That is my line, and the script hangs at that point and will not continue past it. [23:10] Reticenti: I don't know, and it's not in my "I'd better write this down" file. :) [23:10] i couldnt find a solution to that. The only thing I coulod come up with is to do a git status and see whats not tracked rworkman [23:10] Cann0n (1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:11] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [23:11] if also tried, $($cmd) ($cmd being the awk command), but it still hangs at that point. [23:11] agentc0re: what's the input to awk? [23:12] Hint: there's not any. [23:12] dchmelik (~d@71.93.27.3) joined ##slackware. [23:12] Reticenti: yeah, I'm not stumbling across anything either. I love git, but in many ways, it's like a woman. [23:12] heh [23:12] rworkman: i know, like i said above. I want the variable to just store said command. i don't need the variable to hold results. [23:13] Cann0n (1337@dialup-4.91.99.23.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] birdlives (~birdlives@96.240.50.121) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:13] hey, sbopkg cant resolve hosts [23:13] agentc0re: I think you want an alias or a function instead. [23:13] would this be a dial up issue? [23:13] rworkman: i have multiple variables that have paths stored in them that i want to later cut the paths down to descriptive name of the directory. [23:13] Cann0n: it's a dns issue [23:14] rworkman: Ah, okay. sounds like it. didn't even think to do that with in a script. [23:14] rworkman: that doesn't sound pleasant. :X [23:14] agentc0re: yes, picture perfect use of a function there. [23:14] says timed out. [23:14] Cann0n: does nslookup(1) resolve them? [23:16] yeah [23:16] functionoverform (~IceChat7@adsl-99-141-202-163.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] It might be a timeout thing [23:17] I'm gonna edit a bunch of stuff. brb [23:18] darkwurm (~dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [23:20] Well it works now. I yelled real loud into the ethernet port and baddabing! [23:20] macavity: How would I edit the line @@ -490,6 +492,8 @@ for hunk 2? It looks like the code has moved a couple of lines. The start of hunk 2 is if [... and the corresponding line in the the file starts at 507. [23:21] ^^^^ or anyone else? ;-) [23:21] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:23] peacedog: hand merge the changes then [23:24] peacedog: then tar up the source when done (or edit out the extraction part of the .SlackBuild) [23:29] macavity: do the + signs in the diff file mean "add this line" or do they simply get copied or are they insignificant? [23:29] + means the line is added [23:29] - means the line is removed [23:29] the rest is just context [23:30] (and diff internal house keeping stuff) [23:31] Cann0n: sbopkg just relies on rsync and wget [23:32] yeah i got it. [23:33] I didn't see the second timeout parameter in the config [23:33] rworkman: creating a function is exactly what i needed to do, thank you. :D [23:37] macavity (~macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:39] dchmelik (~d@71.93.27.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:40] dchmelik (~d@71.93.27.3) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Is today Friday? [23:41] no, it's saturday [23:41] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [23:42] it's still Friday here and I stayed home nearly all day [23:42] Either way, I wish I was drunk, getting laid, or compiling a kernel... [23:42] I feel like crap still and plan to sleep all day tomorrow [23:43] wouldn't you rather wish you were like.. maybe the child of michael jordan.. [23:43] you know, someone who was more financially sound [23:43] not just getting laid.. [23:44] I gotta come up with a list of software to download while I'm at the library tomorrow [23:44] what kind of "software" [23:44] s/jordan/jackson [23:44] why jackson? [23:44] do you know how many people are probably going to stalk those children ? [23:44] anything and everything [23:45] jeev, I didn't even know he had more than one kid until a week after he died. [23:45] yea [23:45] i dunno, they live a few miles from here heh [23:45] he's burried two miles away [23:46] Wow... You had to deal with that traffic... Is it true that his ranch smelled like semen? [23:46] there was no traffic [23:46] lol [23:47] he wasn't burried at his ranch [23:47] he was supposably burried at the cemetary here [23:47] I never paid attention to all that. I know one of his kids name is Blanket or some Sheet or some crap. [23:48] yea i know.. but it's the american way to name their children with dumb ass names, or celebrity [23:48] i forgot which celebrity had named their kid Hill or something or Street [23:48] hey dumb question, but if i run a script or something and end it with &, how to I pull it back? e.g. /prgm/script.sh & [23:49] pull it back ? [23:49] I want to name my first kid Santa. [23:49] like kill it ? [23:49] lol Cann0n [23:49] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.36) joined ##slackware. [23:49] well, I'm running john the ripper against my system and I used & to stick it in the background... [23:49] oh yea, Jessica Alba named her kid "Honor", if i could go back a few years when i met her, i'd kick her face in if i knew that'd happen [23:49] MrZhi: normally & puts it in the bg. You will have to ps for the PID and kill PID [23:49] MrZhi, find the pid and kill it [23:49] ... [23:50] fg isn't pulling back into the terminal [23:50] LOL [23:50] MrZhi, ps auxw | grep john or whatever it is [23:50] because fg doesnt call &'s [23:50] Cann0n: That would explain it.... [23:51] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] yo [23:52] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [23:52] Is mp4 == mpeg? [23:52] it's a form of mpeg, i believe [23:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp4 [23:53] yep [23:53] Action: andarius thinks the ability for one to "look" for an answer has long since died :( [23:53] Action: mfillpot agrees [23:54] good evening [23:54] we have the world's information at our fingertips, yet most people won't even do a google search [23:54] MrAlexandro (~chatzilla@24.238.108.105) joined ##slackware. [23:54] MrAlexandro (chatzilla@24.238.108.105) left ##slackware. [23:55] google, wikipedia, yahoo, all too complex I suppose [23:55] why scroll through 100 pages to get a short answer that one person could answer in <2 mins? [23:55] weirfghliewugfh (~ksljdbfvi@68.232.112.232.dynamic.dejazzd.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:55] yeah God forbid you learn something else along the way [23:55] andarius: should've wrapped that url with lmgtfy.com [23:55] lol [23:55] i don't like learning stuff :-p [23:56] you are absolutely right :) [23:56] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-157-24.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] King_Ozzy, andarius, Cann0n : Thnx [23:56] heya,folks [23:56] np [23:56] it they want a quick anser for a simple question they can text message and answer place and get charged for the convenience [23:56] MLanden: yo [23:56] can i get their convenience fees? i'm broke XD [23:56] Yep. np [23:56] we should force them to donate to slackware for stupid quick answers [23:57] mfillpot, \yo/...how's it going? [23:57] MLanden: I am good, I presented the encrypted virtual partitions at TWUUG last night, I got a lot of interest [23:58] mfillpot, good to hear [23:58] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:58] i emphasize the quick in "stupid quick answers" [23:58] MLanden: I was surprised that most of them didn't think of such a simple solution, but then again most are mandriva and ubuntu users [23:59] I had spaghetti. [00:00] --- Sat Feb 6 2010