[00:01] what would happen if you closed it vinnie_? [00:01] which file do i put this in "export VISUAL=`which nano`"? [00:01] vinnie_: you type it in your shell [00:01] override: 12.1 [00:01] _Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-d386ff0b3c0014f9) joined ##slackware. [00:01] override: i closed it and lost my build queue [00:01] Strykar_ (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-68fe21f5d0219bab) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:01] arktvrvs: wit the "?" [00:01] no [00:02] with* [00:02] raela, thats the same one I have, maybe you didn't enable it during the slackware install or something. [00:02] arktvrvs: as root? [00:02] in whatever shell you're going to be running sbopkg in [00:03] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:03] as root, or normal user? [00:03] if you close the shell you'll have to type it again unless you put in it .bashrc [00:03] are you running sbopkg as root or as a normal user? [00:03] root [00:03] override: never saw an option [00:03] then do it as root [00:04] im having trouble locating .bashrc [00:04] You can change it in sbopkg.conf iirc [00:04] vinnie_: you might have to create it [00:04] but you need to learn about bash invocation, so open up bash(1) and search for INVOCATION [00:04] can someone paste that pastebin link error for kdebindings I had pleased, lost power here and have no FF history thanks [00:05] http://pastebin.com/d7d8eded [00:05] gm152_, thank you [00:06] kdebindings requires sacrifices. [00:06] Often of itself. [00:06] raela, type it in a shell [00:06] I'm thinking I have to downgrade ruby - just before building bindings then put back in the regular ruby [00:06] Fogie: Your version of gcc is 4.2? [00:06] gm152_, whatever 12.2 is [00:06] s/is /whatevers in slack 12.2 [00:07] vinnie_: yo may wish to change VISUAL to EDITOR according to a page im reading atm. [00:07] Ok. Rules out anything I've seen so far. [00:07] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Connection timed out [00:07] ruby's been upgraded and patches months after kdebindings was built for 12.2; dunno ; not sure what's the deal [00:07] what do i change in sbopkg.conf to make nano the editor? [00:08] but bindings builds on 12.1...so I dunno wth is going on [00:08] Fogie: if you don't use ruby anyway, then just disable it :) [00:09] Probably you don't use anything in kdebindings anyway. [00:09] rworkman: what do i change in sbopkg.conf to make nano the editor? [00:09] vinnie_: I don't know. I don't have it installed, but reading the sbopkg.conf should lend some insight. [00:10] rworkman, I haven't got any idea what the heck to do with ruby or kdebindings to be honest. In fact...after Mr.V replied to an email, I was able to build all of the source/kde section...without bindings..so I guess kdebindings is more or less an optional package even? not sure. [00:10] I won't swear that it's possible, but I thought Chess had included that ability. Perhaps my discouragement of it preevented it though - I think it better to make users learn the *right* way to do things. [00:10] Fogie: it is. [00:10] but I see debian, gentoo have been patching this ruby version so I got no idea where to start begin [00:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/+bug/253632 (this one mentions a Java patch). [00:11] for kdebinding issues [00:11] that is [00:11] raela, try audacity. because i can't seem to find Krec in my slapt-get repos [00:11] Fogie: If it were me building for *just me* - I'd leave it off and move on. :) [00:11] (generally I'm not building for just me, so I can't do that though) [00:11] but something is off, I mean on slack 12.1 this saw mozilla dev headers, and now it doesnt [00:11] override: oh, I have krec. it didn't grab anything from the mic, so I believe the mic is the problem since wine + ventrilo couldn't grab it, either [00:12] It seems quite convoluted. [00:12] ok [00:12] rworkman, the 'fud' in my head is tho..what kde apps via 3rd party are going to break, that's what I have no idea what it may/may-not affect down the road ya know [00:13] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [00:13] I dunno..this is a stock system, this shouldnt be happening tho, man o man [00:13] ugh.. wine and vent. gotta fix that myself [00:13] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:14] is there a way i can be notified when some application on my server crashes? [00:16] ok... got it to work by adding "export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano" to sbopkg.conf [00:16] PupUserbebbc9 (n=PupUserb@c-68-51-18-177.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] Thanx everybody for the help [00:17] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:17] brb [00:17] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:18] rworkman, thanks for the sbopkg tip. [00:18] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] foureyes779: none should break [00:18] haway I'm old again [00:18] chasmo: sure :) [00:19] hiptobecubic: you could do a while loop to check its status, and have that loop mail you and restart it [00:20] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: [00:20] name it thepidpinger [00:20] just a bash while loop? [00:20] or do it in C so it's leet [00:20] Either :) [00:21] Could do it with an until loop also. Depends on what logic you want [00:21] i guess i could just write it in c with a bunch of system calls to bashscripting [00:21] :D [00:21] or there's things like cfengine written fo rthis [00:21] cfengine? [00:21] I've been meaning to look at puppet, but no time :/ [00:21] Yep, it's on SBo [00:21] (cfengine) [00:22] that looks awesome [00:22] hmm [00:22] monit as well [00:23] Anyone have experience with xinet? [00:23] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] xinetd? [00:23] sQuEE` (n=narya@host173.200-82-43.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:24] not me [00:24] hrm, for some reason alsamixer doesn't even show a control for Mic for me.. Mic Boost, Input Source, and Capture, but no Mic [00:24] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:25] sahko: replacement for inetd [00:25] yeah, that or xinet? [00:26] i dont know what xinet is [00:26] xinetd [00:27] i feel like cfengine is overkill for this [00:28] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/xinetd/ <-- if anyone feels froggy [00:28] Action: Old_Fogie builds bindings from 12.1/patches/source on 12.2 [00:29] I haven't really played much, and I really need to make a better default config (with commented examples for other services) [00:29] s/bindings/ruby [00:29] rworkman, i don't have permission to access that page. [00:29] hrm [00:30] Try again [00:30] i do [00:30] rworkman, works. [00:30] i thought i was priviledged for a couple of seconds:) [00:31] bad symlink at first [00:34] sQuEE (n=narya@host209.200-82-41.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:35] rworkman: although seems you are gonna implement xinetd to slack, and all articles ive read on line claim that its superior to inetd, although all are old, theres also a gnu project that maintains an inet daemon. its in http://www.gnu.org/software/inetutils/ . [00:35] just bringing it to your attention. CRUX uses that inetd now [00:36] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [00:36] apparently my microphone problem could be due to ati again. damn company [00:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:40] hey for some reason when i made a script to set brightness of LCD via /proc and did chmod u+s to it, users still cannot set the brightness. [00:40] am i doing it wrong? [00:41] sahko: I don't know if xinetd will ever go in or not. I'm in the *early* stages of just looking at it now. I've still got to get a usable config, some testing done, research its past security record, and so on. We've e just seen quite a few requests for it, so I thought it worth at least a look. [00:41] TwinReverb: yes. Scripts cannot be setuid or setgid [00:42] rworkman, I'd suspect the requests tied to use of vmware? [00:42] rworkman, um ok, so how would i give users in power group the ability to launch /usr/local/bin/brightness script that sets LCD brightness via proc? what's the proper way? [00:42] Old_Fogie: I don't know that. [00:42] (thanks btw) [00:42] TwinReverb: sudo [00:42] ah, vmware does some auto setup for xinetd (or did when I had used it) [00:42] rworkman, sudo abilities to the script in /usr/local/bin/brightness or to the /proc file? [00:43] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:43] %powerALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD:/usr/local/bin/brightness [00:43] %power ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/local/bin/brightness [00:43] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] GuGa (n=abuse@80-218-14-37.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Damn. Format the line correctly for visudo(8) and it will work. [00:43] yeah i got it thanks [00:43] you rock [00:44] i had just figured it out when you said that [00:44] for me, %power ALL=/usr/local/bin/brightness worked good [00:44] i guess i can chgrp -R root /proc/acpi now [00:44] lol [00:44] That will require a password. [00:44] yeah it i the first time [00:44] Your preference though :) [00:45] er it did [00:45] my laptop is falling apart yet i'm still working on it lol :) [00:45] You could use a derivative of that to map keypresses for adjusting brightness [00:47] that patch seems to be working for me now [00:48] Nick change: Packetee1 -> Packeteer [00:48] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:53] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] rworkman, i could? [00:55] i keep hearing that but i could never for the life of me figure out how to read the keymap for function+others [00:56] i've read several such tutorials but none ever worked on my machine [00:56] oh fwiw i had audacious DDoS me recently [00:57] i was playing a cd in it before i shut it off and rebooted [00:57] when i rebooted and ran it (SRV CD wasn't in the drive any more) it launched a million "Cannot Read CD" messages and i started getting fork() errors (due to setting ulimit in /etc/profile to prevent fork bombs) [00:58] i had to control+alt+backspace and reboot (but i was going to reboot anyways) [00:58] media player ownage [00:59] audacious also has the ugly tendency to krap itself if your audio device doesn't exist any more. basically, if you have an alternate sound card (or external USB speakers like me) and you were using them, then you powered off, went somewhere without those speakers, launched audacious, and forgot to change sound card before pressing play, it hangs and you have to reset it [00:59] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [00:59] some of that might be user error, I admit, but i would assume they would also program some common sense checks into it and its input/output plugins [01:01] now audacious, when not doing one of those two things, however, is very nice and does an excellent job without using a lot of resources, so i'm not switching players. i'll submit a bug report when i get the time [01:01] hehe yes well just because you know, if i do this / this happens, i won't do this, doesn't make the bug user error ;) [01:02] well the first one is a bug report. i can't get back into the player to fix the loaded cd tracks without inserting an audio cd of some kind [01:02] GuGa (n=abuse@80-218-14-37.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: [01:03] the second one is not really a bug, but it's more of a "please put more checks into your code" request (not a feature request because imho i shouldn't have to tell a programmer how to program wisely) [01:03] or maybe two feature requests: 1) that the playlist be cleared prior to shutting it off (granted, i usually do, but stuff happens, such as someone needing to power off their machine quickly, or losing power, etc) [01:04] 2) the ability to set a "failsafe" or "default" sound device if the selected one is not present [01:04] So what if I changed the modem/router to point the DNS to my server instead of automatically getting DNS from the isp? Do I change anything in linux? hosts or any other config file? [01:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:06] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [01:09] chasmo (n=chas@69.4.149.188) left irc: "Leaving" [01:09] r0otSlinky (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:10] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left ##slackware. [01:13] ipoop (n=bearpers@70.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.1-final for the Atari 2600 today!" [01:14] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[01:54] Hello [01:55] n0xus, read /etc/profile.d/lang.sh that'd be global ; or you can set it in your own user account profile. [01:55] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) joined ##slackware. [01:56] just found "bambooinvoice.org" its quite cool [01:57] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:58] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.100) left irc: Client Quit [02:01] PupUserbebbc9 (n=PupUserb@c-68-51-18-177.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [02:08] reallove (n=dgherman@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Old_Fogie: thanks [02:12] colmcille (n=colmster@78.32.184.48) left irc: "Leaving" [02:14] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Old_Fogie!!!!!111 [02:14] hello :) [02:16] i compiled mplayer with dvdnav=yes, and I type mplayer dvd:// and the dvd just plays the movie. It doesnt go to the menu. Am i doing something wrong? [02:16] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [02:17] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:17] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [02:18] you need libdvdnav and libdvdread too i think [02:19] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [02:19] sahko: yes... i installed them first [02:19] i dont know then sorry [02:21] Celebrate Mungday! Happy Mungday to all. [02:25] ipoop (n=bearpers@70.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:26] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-021-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:27] oh damn [02:27] i just blue screened windows XP in a VM [02:28] i tried to chkdsk a usb stick in the vm [02:30] reallove (n=dgherman@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "[BX] Homer Simpson uses BitchX. D'OH! D'OH! D'OH!" 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[02:58] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:58] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:00] guitarman4: use xwindows to its fullest [03:01] k spook_, i'll look around for some info on getting x to run over ssh. thx [03:03] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [03:03] necr0mancer (n=rob@c-76-98-108-129.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] over ssh is good, but so is using xdmcp [03:04] rworkman, using ruby-1.8.6_p287-i486-1_slack12.1.tgz (built on 12.2) allowed kdebindings to compile fwiw. [03:08] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] who all is wearing spandex tonight? [03:12] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [03:12] Old_Fogie, you don't count because you invented it. [03:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [03:13] it IS Slackware related by the way. [03:14] ;) [03:15] hahah [03:15] Subdolus (n=subby@subby.afraid.org) left ##slackware. [03:15] lol [03:16] anyone ever have any problems with moving their mail in kmail to ~/Mail ? [03:16] ;) [03:16] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] spook_ got X11 going, but its quite slow... i read that xdmcp over internet isn't secure. [03:17] (this is over ssh i mean) [03:18] i need to go on an extesential beer run. [03:18] other then enabling X11 over ssh in the sshd_config file, is there anything in that file to speed things up? [03:18] i am using ssh -Y as i gather it does some compression as well. it's not aweful in terms of speed, but its pretty slow. [03:20] jgor (n=jgor@66.112.231.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] jgor (n=jgor@66.112.231.147) joined ##slackware. [03:25] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [03:26] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [03:27] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-021-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:27] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [03:28] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [03:29] greetings :) hows monday morning for most of the slackers? [03:30] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.82.154) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:30] hello The-Croupier :) [03:30] hi Old_Fogie :) how are you today? [03:30] eww it is monday morning isn't it...ugh [03:30] yes [03:30] indeed it is [03:30] let's start the f*ing work week! [03:31] wooo Yooo hoo yeah! [03:31] The-Croupier, doing fine thank you and you? [03:31] *wrists and ankles* [03:31] lol [03:31] come on... cannot be that bad, you see you are already in irssi [03:31] start the work week...now back to your cubes! [03:31] what we need is a micro wireless transmitting ipod. [03:31] Old_Fogie: just came back to work... trying to put some more security tools in my slacktopie [03:32] The-Croupier, ah ok [03:32] we pay 200bucks for a pos that still uses wires [03:32] The-Croupier, the boss letting you use slack at work now? [03:32] Old_Fogie: shhhhhhhhhhhhh ;) [03:32] mrselfpwn, /me doesnt have an iclod [03:32] The-Croupier, hahah okay it'll be our secret [03:32] The ipod should now imbed in your earloab unotticed [03:32] me eithier Old_Fodie [03:33] if they find out... im screwed [03:33] mmm...no thanks I like my ears with hair, not electric [03:33] I'm just saying for the price, it should do those things. [03:33] well, it's only 200$ because people will pay that much [03:33] mrselfpwn: for the price lots of things should do lots of things ;) [03:33] if they wised up..maybe it wouldnt heh [03:33] yeah really [03:34] we have officially been f*cked by mainstream media once again [03:34] just think of all the people that spend on vista? or fancy video cards that are 600$ , I could go on n on ya know [03:34] Old_Fogie: i believe its the age of overconsuming...thats why crap are expensive in the beginning then it comes down alot.. ;) if you wait you will buy it half price in a couple of months [03:35] The-Croupier, yup *last* year's model is the way to go as I see it. [03:35] yes thoug Old_Fogie, though a 600 dollar vid card will do more than any of the others. [03:35] that is just the product life cycel [03:35] cycle [03:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:35] the funny part is they dont even need it to buy it straight away... [03:35] mrselfpwn, depends on what more is I suppose [03:35] they dont see any difference [03:35] and 600 dollar ipod is no better than a 300 dollar creative labs player [03:35] nullboy: is right [03:35] thank you [03:36] yes null [03:36] ... [03:36] null....?? [03:36] what? [03:36] not really, they always release video cards at triple the price for those that they know historically will buy it for the 10 extra fps. [03:36] what about the life cycle? [03:36] that was a response to what The-Croupier wrote [03:36] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-177-196.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [03:36] well, Old_Fogie, I bought the 8800 [03:37] mrselfpwn, how much [03:37] ? [03:37] 600 [03:37] hahaah [03:37] "expensive in the beginning then it comes down alot" [03:37] lol [03:37] FAIL [03:37] you ass [03:37] :D [03:37] that's just part of the product life cycle [03:37] but [03:37] the entire price i paid over all [03:37] was worth it [03:37] hmmm "pay the rent" or "10 fps more in my favorite MMO" [03:37] I got the whole computer for a good price [03:38] could've gotten a hi-class hooker for that, not for nothing [03:38] though, old_fogie you are right. [03:38] Old_Fogie: and they do lots for money ;) that was my point ;) [03:38] it is better to find a solid vid card that may be "not as good" [03:38] mrselfpwn, I'm teasing ya. I'm a grandpa you know, I look at things a little differently :) [03:38] The-Croupier, hahah [03:38] no, i know [03:38] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [03:38] but yoiu have a point [03:39] but 600$ nowadays money, amortized over your life...you don't want to know what that'll cost you when your 60's [03:39] better tested than true than new and covered in gue [03:39] s/when you/when your in [03:39] s/and/then' [03:40] what ever i meant to say lol [03:40] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [03:40] guys.. after a bit my laptop starts slowing down.. well after installing lots of stuff to it ;) but none of those is running ;) is there a way to keep on top of that? [03:40] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] I realized the game a few years back, since then I really buy the lower section of the top 30% performance cards, seems better off that way. [03:40] err...hope that typed right, heh [03:40] yeah [03:40] i know what you mean fogie [03:40] they're still a tad high..but can be about half of the fastest. [03:40] though I am happy with my purchase [03:41] well so long as you *feel* good :) [03:41] tease tease [03:41] i made it with a good basis in mind [03:41] mrselfpwn, did you have QVC fever...the midnight ..."I gotta have it!" :) [03:41] no, it was custom built by the lead singer in a very good band [03:42] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. [03:42] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:42] does the 8800 have good linux support yet? [03:42] yes Old_Fogie [03:42] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [03:42] It was what i "did" want and am "still" happy with it [03:42] over a year now [03:43] If you want to cry, look at the price of the top '8x agp' cards... man their like 3x the price of a budget pci-x card. [03:43] they're like gold now [03:43] yeah [03:43] It's cheaper to build a new box...conspiracy I tell you ...conspiracy ( /me puts on nullboys' tinfoil hat he borrowed) [03:43] like i said, i made a very educated purchase. I did it when the switch was right [03:44] if you always wait for it to be cheaper you will never have the best and i wanted the best [03:44] it will last me longer with the upgrade potential [03:44] true, but if you never had it all, you never really missed anything [03:44] and I am a gamer [03:44] Action: The-Croupier believes that the best is the one that does the job [03:44] that was my get out of buying stuff answer to "Daddy can I have..." [03:45] mrselfpwn, heh, then again I did buy about 10 acer netbooks, *cough*cough* [03:45] well, just like my dad said; he bought a boat, and we asked him, now that you have the new boat, do you think you would have been better off buying it before bying the older boat first and just "going for it"? [03:46] like just going right for the better product [03:47] i am very happy with my bye still today [03:47] and it has been almost 2 years [03:47] Old_Fogie: 10 notebooks?!!!! [03:47] things like boats tho, they're touchy, cuz you might use it the first year..then the next not. then the gas issue too, I know people that bought boats right..gas spiked..the boats just sat there. sad [03:47] well Old_Fogie [03:47] The-Croupier, yup with Slack and Win XP on it. (they were out of the linux only) [03:47] he is a tournament fisherman [03:47] oh wow, neat [03:47] every week he uses it [03:48] well neat if he's the winner, heh [03:48] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:49] and old_fogie, i was doing well with money at the time and could afford it [03:49] if i wouldn't have bought it I would have spent the money in boos [03:49] "booze"...oh man been there, done that :( [03:49] :) [03:49] yeah [03:49] so atleast I have something now to show for it [03:50] "if I had a dime for every dime I had" <-- forget the movie [03:50] lol [03:50] Arthur! that's it the movie was Arthur [03:50] Old_Fogie, you are like my only friend [03:50] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [03:50] that's scary [03:50] who wears spandex. [03:50] heh [03:50] that's even scarier [03:50] lol [03:51] kill -9 daemonName :( not working is that wrong? google is saying pid/daemonName but ... hmmm does one have a different opinion? [03:51] wew [03:51] oops sorry, wrong channel [03:51] Old_Fogie: you wear spandex?! [03:51] he invented it [03:51] The-Croupier, well to kill 'inetd' right...you "ps ax |grep inetd" get the number, then "kill -9 number-of-inetd-from-ps-ax" [03:52] The-Croupier, invent it no... that's a nasty and vicious rumor :) [03:52] heheh [03:52] doesnt work :( [03:52] like gentoo, I have my sources [03:53] just started darkstat..to see what it does, liking its graphs and stuff.. ps ax | grep darkstat gave me 14890 kill -9 14890 no such process [03:54] The-Croupier, what's the name of the program running [03:54] yep [03:54] 'yep' is the binary's name? [03:54] The-Croupier, fwiw I prefer to use 'htop' SBo has a buildscript and it's a must have on all my boxen. [03:54] no, the name of the process running was 'darkstat' [03:55] it leverages top and other commands into one nice cli ncurses interface [03:55] used to use that before... building it now again ;) [03:55] ;) thanks Old_Fogie [03:56] well if ps ax isn't reporting darkstat , then a process with that name isnt running ya know [03:56] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) left irc: "leaving" [03:56] must be something else [03:56] or maybe it took some die to be killed? dunno [03:57] Old_Fogie, I meant to tell you, I have been running your start up tweak without issue and good success. [03:57] Thanks for [03:57] passing that along. [03:57] mrselfpwn, ah yea np yw. [03:57] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:58] mrselfpwn, 12.2 takes me almost a half hour to boot, I can't have that now can I ,heh [03:58] nope [03:58] i did killall darkstat ;) naybe its gone that way ;) [03:58] cus you are the man [03:58] and the man, don't have time for that [03:58] ;) [03:59] heh, bbiab [03:59] Action: The-Croupier smells a favour coming up [03:59] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-68-95-72-150.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:01] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:02] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:05] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:08] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [04:11] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.16) joined ##slackware. [04:11] one of my students got a motorolla linux phone and believes he can do wonders, also.. he wants me to configure it.. he saw that i had ekonsole in mine, is there a way to convince people that mobile-phones dont do much with linux/anyotherOS... its annoying that people believe i can configure any linux device around [04:13] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "leaving" [04:14] anyone know how to fix "john.ini: no such file" when trying to run john the ripper? installed from .tgz found on linuxpackages [04:16] linuxpackages.net? i believe thats the site i was advised to avoid here :) [04:20] oh i haven't heard that what is a better alternative? [04:20] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/john/ for that package, and the site that was recommended to me [04:21] Awesome, thanks Conflict_80 [04:22] yup, you have to dl the slackbuild and the source, put the source in the slackbuild folder and run the .SlackBuild in it to make the .tgz [04:24] click the HowTo on that page for better instructions than i give :) [04:25] Conflict_80 already helping out other slack newbies =) [04:25] haha okay sounds good. [04:26] yeah i guess i am a newbie now i haven't played with slackware (or linux) since i was 16, now im 20 and it seems like its back to basics [04:26] hehe i did NOT read the howto, and made a nice mess of installing the compiz packages for myself last night ;) [04:27] reading r gud [04:28] haha [04:28] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@196.201.208.159) joined ##slackware. [04:28] a little confused...do I unzip the source or just put the whole bz2 file in the folder [04:29] just put the unzipped archive in the folder [04:29] okay [04:29] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left irc: "leaving" [04:30] err [04:30] yeah, unzipped archive... didnt come out right [04:30] you don't have to extract it [04:30] un-unzipped [04:30] :) [04:31] oh, okay haha [04:31] korupt3d: 1) download the source and the slackbuild tarballs 2) untar just the slackbuild .tar.gz 3) chmod +x the Slackbuild 4) make sure the source tarball is in the same dir as the slackbuild 5) ./SlackBuild [04:32] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:34] korupt3d: google 'sbopkg' and download and install the slackware package for it [04:35] 4.1) become root :) [04:35] sbopkg will automate this process for you, it only works for packages on slackbuilds.org though [04:35] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [04:35] actually, it could be 6) since you only need root to install the package =) [04:35] you find pretty much everything in slacbuild though ;) [04:35] pwc101 (n=chatzill@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:36] sometimes, i think i did one that needed me to be root when i ran the SlackBuild [04:36] don't remember why [04:36] made sense at the time [04:36] yep, if its not there and is semi-popular, chances are it will be there soon enough [04:36] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [04:38] syncing sbopkg with slackbuilds.org now... [04:40] awesome, thanks so much everyone for your help, time for bed now but you'll see me in here again :) [04:40] btw it works :P [04:41] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:41] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:41] yep, I'm usually root when I build the SBo [04:42] I am too, I do alot of things as root that I prolly shouldn't =) [04:43] figured, if you try to build a package that you're going to install once it's made, you might as well be root - besides, I believe you've got to be root to set the proper permissions to the files within the package [04:45] 99.99% of slackbuilds' stuff will fail, if you review the slackbuild, you'll see that they (a) untar the source (b) then chown it to root:root..then set perm's on them as well. [04:45] a "user" can't peform the "chown root:root" command on anything [04:45] Old_Fogie: yep :) [04:46] which is the way that Slackware does it's builds too as well (in case any new users weren't sure) [04:46] pwc101 (n=chatzill@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:47] pwc101 (n=chatzill@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:47] you're right, I should have looked at the own SBo packages that I manage =) [04:48] SiegeX: it's ok to be lazy most of the time, I am too :) [04:50] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Old_Fogie: is that one of yours? I just accidentally stumpled upon it http://tinyurl.com/7dycmp [04:52] slackmagic, yea and you notice the amount of help I got there right..so then I beat their *whole* ut team :) [04:53] lol [04:53] I may be old...but I'm an old UT guy too :) [04:53] showed their asses for not helping [04:53] that's cool, didn't know you were gaming too [04:53] yeah, dont think I even knew of linuxquestions yet [04:54] heck, I even was using linuxpackages...just proof of my noobishness, hahaha [04:54] yeah, slack 10.2 days.. I couldnt get sounds to mix at all [04:55] How to start vsftpd within inited ? [04:55] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-37-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:55] Hi all, [04:55] I have too until I learned it the hard way, ever since it's been SBos, or rworkman's, and alienBOB's for the most part [04:55] Where I find a greats repository of slackware? [04:55] I'm need client of torrents for slack [04:56] pip, I dont use it, but anything with a comment (#) sign means off, so you'd need to un-comment the line with vsftpd, then "kill -9 pid-number-of-inetd" ; as for config'ing vsftpd I have no idea for ya. [04:56] UT as in unreal tournament? [04:56] pip, to get the pid it's "ps ax |grep inetd" [04:57] SiegeX, yes [04:57] thanks, I gotcha [04:57] monstro: do you work with a decent system? ktorrent should work just fine; slackbuilds.org has a bunch of CLI-based torrent clients as well [04:57] monstro: http://www.slackware.org/getslack [04:57] cool, still play UT2k4 till this day [04:57] pretty pissed at Epic though for the trash that is GOW2 [04:57] pip, inetd doesnt have a restart command, it has to be killed then it rereads it's /etc/inetd.conf file and starts [04:58] SiegeX, I'm ticked they never had UT3 for linux [04:58] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [04:58] SiegeX, so I didnt buy it [04:58] Old_Fogie, view /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd [04:58] shame on them, I had bought every version they made [04:58] I don't think Epic was responsible for the linux ports [04:59] im not positive on that since i only played the windows version. But I'm pretty sure thats true for at least UT1 [04:59] montro: many of the mirrors listed at the link I mentioned also have iso files for direct download, though using a torrent is preferred if you can [04:59] s/montro/monstro [04:59] pip, oh, huh, wonder when that was added [04:59] its sorta like how Valve doesnt handle the PS3 version of The Orange Box and its buggy as hell and gets no updates. [05:00] thanks all [05:00] Is there any ncsues tool for inetd to choose with daemon to run or which to shut down ? [05:00] SiegeX, well their responsible for the linux client,in the fact that they used a 3rd party (auegis - spelling?) to make some parts of the game, that wont let Epic put the game on linux - as of yet. reference: phoronix.com [05:01] as much as I like UT2K4, UT3 seemed kinda underwhelming [05:01] SiegeX, they should've had that all hashed out (licensing) before even developing the game, seems like Epic really dropped the ball [05:01] pip: just use vim to edit the /etc/inetd.conf file and comment out services you don't want to run, then do a "kill -HUP " where is the process ID of the running inetd [05:02] SiegeX, I suppose, but it's the principle in my mind...and more so that the same code that's in questions, resides on the linux server version whcih they got that company to "allow" epic to ship the game server for [05:02] SiegeX, lastly, there's more people playing linux versions of UT than MAC..yet apple's have a port [05:02] Action: Old_Fogie /ends-rant :) [05:03] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:03] rk4n3, I can restart inetd with a restart argument [05:03] ya, unfortunately Epic really is non-existant after post-release [05:03] pip, verify it with 'netstat' command? [05:04] SiegeX, taht's cuz they know I'll 'flack em' :) [05:04] pip: true enough, "/etc/rc.d/rc.inetd restart" will do the trick [05:04] rk4n3, when did that add that feature [05:04] man I fell asleep on that one [05:04] gejr (n=gejr@unaffiliated/gejr) left ##slackware. [05:04] killall -HUP inetd [05:04] save the letters! [05:04] I've been doing kill -HUP long time now too, heh [05:04] lol [05:05] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Yes, heaven exists. It is called E17" [05:05] Old_Fogie: I have no idea - I noticed it some years back when I was looking at how uniform the /etc/rc.d files were getting, however long ago that was... [05:05] pip, actually I told ya kill -9 up top which is wrong... it is/was HUP.. /me chuggs the coffee here [05:05] So it is kill 1 ? [05:05] the #1 signal [05:05] rk4n3, yeah it's here on 12.1 too...wth...they slipped that in on me heh [05:06] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [05:06] lol, I think it's been possible since 11.0 if not a bit earlier [05:06] I just did it one day accidentally with the restart and it worked, and have used it ever since [05:06] Old_Fogie: I know how you feel - I felt as though the whole SlackBuild thing was slipped in on me without knowning about it for years ;) [05:06] slackmagic, well it couldnt have been on 10.2 (that's my first slackware I used); so must've been after that . [05:07] rk4n3, yeah ./configure....make... man when I started that ..to say I was confused is an understatement [05:07] rk4n3, Slackware not shipping checkinstall broke my habbit,and forced me to learn slackbuilds for sure [05:08] Old_Fogie: aha - I think I held out even longer - I learned about SlackBuild less than a year ago ;) [05:08] i did like checkinstall a lot, but ever since people here recommended me to use SBos, I've found my new love ... (with packages) [05:09] rk4n3, compiling gnome writing my own scripts...that now (along with reading bash) really helped to hone the skills; I'm no pro, nor,never will be..but I'd never go back that's for sure. I even write slackware style "DebBuild" now :) [05:10] Old_Fogie: I went for years and years just getting new slackware releases, always installed clean from scratch, always compiled all other software myself ... I had a system down for minimizing local data changes across version installs [05:10] Yeah, you gotta have a system that's for sure [05:10] I redo all my binaries every release, this is a hobby, so no rush tho. [05:11] heh [05:11] ultimashrine (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [05:11] heck I'm still building kde for 12.2 :( [05:12] Nick change: ultimashrine -> usus12jari [05:12] I've graduated to making packages for everything I use, and maybe half of those I just use slackbuilds, but the other half I still build once myself for each slackware release, then redistribute my own package [05:12] slackware-jennie (n=jennie@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) joined ##slackware. [05:12] time for my first breakfast, bbiab [05:12] Yeah, I noticed that's giving you a run for your money this time :) [05:13] heh yes [05:13] bb [05:13] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:14] Phenox_ (n=Bernd@213.23.133.130) joined ##slackware. [05:17] sQuEE` (n=narya@host173.200-82-43.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [05:17] tribeca (n=vedo@host202-29-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:17] sQuEE (i=0@host173.200-82-43.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. 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[05:50] how wonderful is it that wireshark takes like ages to build/install ;), it takes me less to fresh install slackware than wireshark and openoffice [05:53] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:54] Onga-vezir (n=onga-vez@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [05:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:54] Onga-vezir kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: -NOEINTELLIGENCE [05:58] grasux (n=grasux@79.118.163.211) joined ##slackware. [05:58] hello [05:58] can someone help me with my wa_supplicant ? [05:59] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [05:59] hey guys i got an interesting development on my sound issue. [05:59] hw can i configure it to start at boot and also to automatically recognize the access point [05:59] ? [05:59] my sound works just fine under my root account. but no sound in my regular user [06:00] SM177Y add the user to the audiou group [06:00] ill try that one sec [06:02] can someone help me ? [06:05] i have audio group [06:05] no audiou? [06:08] ok will i need to restart for that to take effect? [06:08] ima try [06:08] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX by any other name is still BitchX" [06:08] try that [06:12] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.95.254) joined ##slackware. [06:13] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:14] grasux: still need help with wpa_supplicant? [06:15] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [06:15] omg i love you :D [06:15] 3 days with no music sucks lol [06:19] grasux: /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf controls what it tries to connect to. It's pretty basic but if you have specific WPA/WPA2 needs it might not be entirely straight forward. If you have problems with it lemme know [06:19] grasux: as far as getting it to work on boot. Modify /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf for your particular interface. Search the file for wpa_supplicant as it should also have examples. Again if you have specific questions let me know and I can help more [06:22] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:22] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Rehashing... E17 and Regex, the only reasons why I still believe in God" [06:23] grasux: oh and look into /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf you might also have to makes some changes there as well [06:25] grasuxm, 'wicd' in /extra maybe more appropriate for your situation. its graphical gui for managing wireless connections. [06:26] jonsmith1982: never heard of wicd.. I'll have to check it out [06:26] Wescotte_, works very well, tis an ideal addition to slack. [06:27] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-82bee0bc64234833) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Nick change: Wescotte_ -> Wescotte [06:30] grasux (n=grasux@79.118.163.211) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:30] veiamus (i=veiamus@unaffiliated/veiamus) joined ##slackware. [06:32] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:36] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@196.201.208.159) left irc: Connection timed out [06:41] Wescotte: use this link to educate users: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [06:42] And yes wicd is nice too, however requires you to use X in order to configure it [06:42] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:42] alienBOB: thanks will do [06:43] ohnoes....the sun is coming up....crap...forgot sleep again o.O [06:44] sniffle (n=sniffle@unaffiliated/sniffle) joined ##slackware. [06:45] \o/ [06:45] Conflict_80: quick! into the coffin :) [06:46] XD [06:47] I'm still trying to figure out how to make a `light` slackware install [06:48] just start randomly deleting things with names you aren't familiar with :) ....don't listen to me... [06:48] that could work [06:49] eh? /boot? no thanks i have shoes on alrdy... rm -r /boot [06:50] ok let me try [06:50] ok, now what? [06:50] nooooooo lol [06:50] hehe [06:50] hold on, I need to reboot.. [06:50] :) [06:53] seriously, that's the only reason I'm currently not sporting slackware on my laptop [06:53] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:57] how light do you need it? [06:57] sniffle, I have a good idea for you, just install all the Disc 1 to get a base system and then remove some packages that you actually don't need at all [06:58] pip: what does d1 contain? [06:59] I can pretty much hand pick the packages I need from software sets a, ap, d, e, f, k, kde, kdei, n, t, tcp, xap, y. software sets l and x are probelmatic (x more than l) [07:00] http://www.slackware.org/getslack/torrents.php [07:00] Question the first.. why install less than everything? [07:00] space available [07:00] I need something along the lines of: c/c++ + asm related (cli) utilities [ gcc, gdb, nasm, etc. ] + X + dwm (which I'll provide "myself") + urxvt + vim + screen. something like that [07:00] It's very light as a base system [07:00] What are you running that has less than 10GB available space for an installation>? [07:01] Zordrak: I'm sorry, what? [07:01] This is a 10GB space for a slackware installation on my hard disk [07:02] I simply mean that I have reached the point where I dont have a single piece of kit anywhere that has little enough space that it would matter if I didn't install the whole 4GB [07:02] I'm currently running archlinux on my home machine. do I have the disk space to install GNOME, KDE, XFCE, enlightenment, all the "boxes", FVWM, all web browsers currently available in the official packages, office, and more? yes. you're asking: why don't I do it [07:03] Sure.. I like the idea of "it's available if for ANY reason I should need it" [07:03] Zordrak: disk space is not the issue, I like a clean /etc directory, amongst others [07:03] so long as none of it is set to start automaticaly [07:03] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. [07:03] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [07:04] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-82bee0bc64234833) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:04] I can't make a system which has *exactly* the software I need and nothing else, but I can try to have a system as close to that as possible. and making 'full installs' and stuff like that is not the way to do it. I'm a tidy person and I like my computers -tidy- [07:05] Meh.. I consider slack "tidy" as it is.. and then just keep it tidy from there [07:05] sniffle, I have already reached that goal [07:05] I don't. [07:05] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-7acd4b436a6bbcea) joined ##slackware. [07:06] i find there are a lot of people who do that with linux, go above and beyond to try to trim out as many things they don't need as possible, dunno why [07:06] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [07:08] Just a kind of style or psychological thing [07:08] to make it light [07:08] Yes [07:09] Well, if you have infinite disk space on hand, do you still do that ? [07:09] 'linux' is just a coincidence. I'd try to do the same should the OS be *BSD or Windows or whatever [07:09] i wonder how would you go about doing that with windows [07:09] I like a clean system, it gives me peace of mind [07:09] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:09] You can install JUST what you need but you might be wasting a lot of time trying to figure it out [07:10] I would do it if we were talking about a lot of space [07:10] Especially on slackware if you are not a guru user [07:10] I gave up on that a long time ago. Slack full install is what I work with [07:10] but 4GB just isnt what I consider a lot of space anymore [07:10] I have more than that on my keyring [07:10] exactly, anyone who knows enough to know offhand everything they DON'T need, might also know enough about the things they DON'T need, to think...hmm... i may use that ;) [07:11] and I dont need to think "oh bugger.. i need to install [07:11] what you save by not using full install isn't worth at all. And by having it on the disk doesn't mean it's a performance overhead [07:11] on the other hand.. trying for this goal might teach you tons of stuff you didn't know [07:11] Kaapa: prekisely [07:12] you'll have a more tidy sistem by using full install. Just note that the concept of "full install" on slack has nothing to do with other dists [07:12] Kaapa: what do you mean? [07:12] I seriously don't get it. I've insisted that 'disk space' is not what I'm worried about, 'performance gain/loss' is not what I'm worried about, but my nature as a tidy person is what's pushing me to do this. it's a quirk, a psychological problem if you can't accept it in any other way [07:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:12] lol so its OC disorder... [07:12] sniffle: and we're saying that tidy == full install [07:13] Kaapa: not for me it isn't [07:13] he can always remove the icons of apps he doesn't want :) [07:13] and since this didn't start out as "hey what do you guys think a tidy install is", the above line should matter. this whole thing started with me wondering how I could obtain *my* vision of a tidy system [07:13] Wescotte: I'm right here [07:14] sniffle, I think I have get a tidy system at some level of point, everybody has his/her own definition of what tidy is [07:14] *got [07:14] then this discussion is useless. I just say "ok" [07:14] lol yes but... it is too simple to answer questions directly without having a philosophical discussion about out personal feelings on tidy [07:14] though I can't imagine what's on slack that could be considered way out of the absolute necessary [07:14] Wescotte: + what icons? I don't use a DE / application menu, etc. [07:15] maybe kde, if you don't use it [07:15] sniffle: it was a joke.. [07:15] Kaapa: it's not about "way out", simply "out" [07:15] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [07:15] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] sniffle: There are distros out there aimed at creating a minimal linux install. It might be better to go that route [07:16] you want tidy, do linux from scratch, you'll know where EVERYTHING is.. and nothing will be there that you didn't NEED :) [07:16] sniffle: otherwise it's just going to be tons of work to get exactly what you want. But if you're up for that more power to you [07:17] Wescotte: I'm attracted to various aspects of slackware, this 'minimalistic' thing is the ony point keeping me back, I came here trying to find away to 'fix/overcome' it [07:17] *a way [07:17] sniffle: slack is very minimalistic as it is. Try working with other linux distros and you may just change your mind [07:18] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:18] I've worked with gentoo and archlinux, to name a couple, is that good enough? [07:18] because those particular 2 experiences didn't change my mind [07:19] well, I dunno much about arch and the little I know about gentoo makes it sorta an exception. But I can see how something like gentoo might appeal to you [07:20] The best advice we can give you is do a slack full install and just remove what you don't want. [07:20] I'd need the simplicity provided by slackware coupled with the ability to run a minimalistic setup [07:21] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Wescotte: well thank you, like I've said, I "know enough" to (most likely) handpick through everything but L and X. L - I might win that battle.. but when it comes to dependencies of Xorg .. I've usually let dependency-solving package managers solve that particular task for me.. so handpicking them might turn out to be quite a challenge [07:22] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.37) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-253983.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:23] sniffle: I defintely advise you not to handpick anything from l/ [07:23] do it from x, k, ap, whatever [07:23] but not from the base dirs [07:24] hello [07:24] 'mornin [07:24] I would also go to the isntall everything / remove what you don't need approach [07:24] Kaapa: as far as `l` goes, I might not be able to handpick what I need, but I'm most likely able to handpick some of the things I don't need [07:24] sniffle: yeah, it's going to be a time consuming process with much trial and error. Reviewing the slackbuild scripts might provide lots of help though [07:25] but I'm conviced you'll let it be once you find a conforable method for managing your system [07:25] the thing is, if I'd manage to make one proper install.. I'd be set. I've ran slackware in the past, I'm familiar with how things are done + I'd be able to repeat the install with no problems [07:28] Well, thanks for all your help, I'll ponder some more and surely will come to a conclusion. Thanks for your time & patience. [07:28] good luck [07:31] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] anyone know where to download Qualcomm PureVoice (Qclp) ? [07:40] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [07:42] hi guys. anyone tried setting up bootsplash on slackware? [07:48] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [07:49] dretch (n=woot@124-8-20-177.dynamic.tfn.net.tw) joined ##slackware. [07:49] slava_dp: you talking about splashy? [07:50] ls /boot [07:50] Wescotte, it looks like i am :) [07:50] slava_dp: never used it myself but I was going to say it looks like splashy is what you want instead of bootsplash :) [07:51] Wescotte, okay, thanks for that too :) [07:52] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.95.254) left ##slackware. [07:52] ewww. [07:53] Whats the purpose in splashy? [07:53] and there isn't a slackbuild for it either.. [07:53] Zordrak, to show a splash screen during boot instead of console output. [07:53] Zordrak: it appears to replace the standard boot sequence with a nice graphic/animation similar to what Windows does [07:53] slava_dp: Yeah.. but WHY?! [07:54] I use linux *beacuase* it shows me the information i want [07:54] not in spite of it [07:54] Zordrak: I'd say it's useful for somebody who would be confused by not having one [07:54] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Zordrak: ie your parents :) [07:55] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. [07:55] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:55] My parents are taught that the messages are for a purpose [07:55] Perhaps my parents arent the best example :) [07:56] for Christmas I gave them a Slack12.2 box for DNS/DHCP and Automated backups [07:56] ugh.. i wishes mozilla's load balancing choice was better [07:56] I do *not* want a mirror in taiwan that gives me 83 bytes/sec [07:57] tribeca_ (n=vedo@host25-242-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Zordrak: I have slack on my parents machine too but I KNOW they have no idea what is going on during boot [07:57] Wescotte: But I bet they understand it's not a good idea when the screen is full of ERROR and Fatal messages :) [07:58] well they understand they have to call me :) [07:58] which means they have something more useful to tell you than "ugh.. it brokeded" [07:58] nope I'd just get a it's brokeded :) [07:58] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [07:58] bah.. meaningless anyway.. the one at y folks place has no monitor or keyboard [07:59] tribeca (n=vedo@host202-29-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:59] hah [07:59] I assure you it's functional :) [07:59] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:59] I'm the in house IT guy for another year or two :) [08:00] Action: Zordrak outsourced himself to hisself years ago :) [08:00] who's hisself? :) [08:00] me :) [08:00] hah [08:01] I fired the permanent in house staff (me) and hired an external contractor instead (me) [08:01] exactly the same? or you but less professional? ie show up with laundry for mom to do while you fix the machine? :) [08:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [08:01] No.. proper professional outsourcing house [08:01] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:01] full internal services with a full staff of 2 people and 2 cats [08:02] cats can't fix crap :) [08:02] in fact they generally only cause problems [08:02] Sure they can! [08:02] Never had a mouse in your case? [08:02] :) [08:02] but that's not IT related [08:02] ugh...so, sign you are way past ready for sleep: you stop what you are doing to make your compiz "wobbly window" dance along with the beat of the music you are listening to. [08:03] unless you leave your case open and your house is kinda cold :) [08:03] of course it is.... who removes the dust bunnies if it isnt IT Support Cat [08:03] Conflict_80: or join into a conversation that Zordrak and I are having.. [08:03] We upgraded our dust bunnies to furball bunnies many years ago [08:03] it was a long drawn out process [08:03] Zordrak: they create more dust bunnies than remove :) [08:04] ah I see dust bunnies != furball bunnies [08:04] Plus.. cat's act as a corporate scapegoat [08:04] it's part of their contract [08:04] s/\'/// [08:05] "Twasn't me.. it were't'cat" [08:06] Like so: [08:06] Screw you biatches! I hate you all! [08:06] Oh whoops.. sorry, that wasnt me it was the cat [08:06] it ran across the keyboard [08:06] etc [08:06] cat's have no thumbs so they never have spaces in their text.. clearly it's you! [08:07] err.. hello! 1,000 monkeys sat at 1,000 typewriters! [08:07] who says a cat couldnt have doneit [08:08] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:08] the other 1,000 monkeys told me it wasn't the cat [08:09] I mean that it's entirely reasonable for that sentence to have been randomly produced by a cat playing on a keryboard [08:09] just unlikely [08:09] but when theres no proof and you need a scapegoat [08:09] enter "Scapegoat Cat" [08:09] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] heh [08:10] So don't tell me I'm paying them for nothing :) They are productive members of the staff. [08:10] Plus no need to buy leg warmers for the women in winter [08:12] that is a plus.. I have a leg warmer on my lap right now [08:12] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:21] hcfd (n=hacfed@host86-147-59-33.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:22] allend (n=allend@203-217-90-91.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:24] hcfd (n=hacfed@host86-147-59-33.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:28] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [08:30] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:33] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [08:36] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [08:37] Nick change: tribeca_ -> tribeca [08:41] pwc101 (n=chatzill@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:42] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [08:45] Anyone know much about xrandr? Why would it available resolutions for a device change? my HDTV sometimes lists all available resolutions and sometimes it cuts off everything above 1280x1024. I suppose I can manually add it.. Would it be xrandr or an issue with my video driver? [08:45] pwc101 (n=chatzill@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:45] I guess it could be the TV doing something non standard too.. Windows always seems to report everything correctly.. Although I hardly ever use Windows but when I do it always seems to be accurate. [08:47] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.151.24) joined ##slackware. [08:49] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:59] hahaha damn freenode OPs [08:59] DDoS themselves [08:59] :-P [09:00] acidchild: you get that rsync debugged yet? [09:00] Action: acidchild see's the segfaults in ossec [09:00] that's rather freakin' annoying [09:00] snap [09:00] acidchild: stop that! [09:00] just making coffee then shower and then i'll get down to it [09:00] hehe [09:00] suuuuuure [09:00] i have to go fsck a gentoo.org server [09:00] :) [09:00] ooo [09:00] Wait [09:00] you guys are hosint gentoo.org stuff? [09:00] yah [09:01] corvid.gentoo.org [09:02] nice [09:03] seems down to me :P [09:03] (09:00) < acidchild> i have to go fsck a gentoo.org server [09:03] d'oh :> [09:03] does that contain their distfiles too ? [09:04] i have no idea what it contains, i believe its a SVN development box. [09:04] it said 'within the next 48hours' [09:04] Action: thrice` has always been curious how large that folder would be [09:05] so... its not critical. [09:05] coffee anybody? [09:07] heh [09:07] Action: Dominian does Mtn. Dew in the mornings [09:07] their fsck will have to wait.. rsync on mirror1.slackadelic.com is borked! [09:07] hehehe [09:07] i need to rotate my AIDS databases. [09:07] uhh [09:07] :-/ [09:08] You have to explain what that is... [09:08] tripwire... [09:08] because my mind just went 30 different directions with what that could mean. [09:08] I hate tripwire [09:08] thats why i use AIDS [09:08] =] [09:09] hehe [09:09] ossec? [09:09] give me a rsync url. [09:09] rsync seems to work fine O.o [09:09] uhhh [09:09] no [09:09] acidchild: su to root [09:09] then do: sh scripts/run_backup.sh [09:09] i did it as a user and as root. [09:10] running "rsync" by itself doesn't reveal the segfault [09:10] [pid 11167] fcntl64(2, F_GETFL) = 0x8002 (flags O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) [09:11] acidchild: its the weirdest thing I've seen. [09:11] O.o [09:11] wth.. its segfaulting on a large file? [09:11] seems so. [09:11] that doesn't make any sense [09:11] it hasn't SYNCED anything yet lol [09:11] argh let me try something [09:12] ok.. that still makes no sense [09:12] ummm weird. [09:12] acidchild: let me grab the updated build scripts from -current/12.2 and rebuild with a newer version... [09:12] whats gconv? [09:12] yes but don't make install it [09:12] you'll b0rk my md5's [09:12] =P [09:13] acidchild: uhh I neve rmake install [09:13] I always createa package [09:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [09:13] and then upgradepkg [09:13] or installpkg it. [09:13] aye [09:13] I won't be doing that [09:13] Just create the package.. then explodepkg it.. and run it with full path [09:14] kama (n=kama@host169-94-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:15] n0xus (n=m@209.90.93.98) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:15] brk(0x80de000) = 0x80de000 [09:15] fcntl64(2, F_GETFL) = 0x8002 (flags O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) [09:15] that is the broken one [09:15] [pid 15714] brk(0x80ef000) = 0x80ef000 [09:15] [pid 15714] fcntl64(5, F_GETFL) = 0x802 (flags O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK) [09:15] that is the working one. [09:15] kama (n=kama@host169-94-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:16] rsync version 3.0.2 protocol version 30 [09:16] working, and broken is rsync version 2.6.9 protocol version 29 [09:16] update that shit :-P [09:17] Dominian: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/8857 [09:19] can anyone tell me what windows terminal server actually does? [09:19] use RAM [09:19] like birds. what are birds? we just dont know. [09:20] isn't birds a BGP routing daemon? [09:20] ip over carrier pigeon [09:20] http://bird.network.cz/ [09:20] acidchild: you want me to update it? [09:21] i'm trying to figure out if theres a foss "clone" of windows terminal server [09:21] yes please, but 'test' it before you do the upgrade [09:21] except i dont know what terminal server does... so its hard to figure it out [09:21] isn't it like citrix, you programs off another server on the desktop [09:21] spook_: yes there is many termialserver nx among others [09:21] run* [09:22] Action: acidchild is using NX right now [09:22] it sucks [09:22] i'm doing something for a real estate agent, they are looking at a new piece of software that needs terminal server [09:23] what context? [09:23] brb [09:23] for single machine only, it doesnt need it. if you are using a centralised thingy it needs terminal server [09:24] acidchild: it segfaults [09:25] i'm nudging them towards this piece of software because the only other reasonable one uses BDE to connect to a windows share. its like 10 years old. without any updates [09:25] Ummm... [09:26] only thing we've done since yesterday is added josh.. [09:26] yah [09:26] and i don't really think he's rooted my box. [09:26] I haven't "installed" the new rsync [09:27] /usr/bin/ldd [ Warning ] [09:27] i think that might be due to an upgrade tbh [09:27] hrm [09:27] re-install :> [09:27] well rkhunter isn't quite that update with freakin' md5sums for slackware :P [09:27] No way :| [09:27] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [09:27] thrice`: just for an /usr/bin/rsync issue? no [09:28] gasux (n=gasux@79.118.175.154) joined ##slackware. [09:29] pls help anyone....when i start my wpa with "wpa_supplicant -Bw -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0" and after that "dhcpcd wlan0" it only ping my router but after i add the ap to the NIc with "iwconfig wlan0 ap example" the internet works.....how can i make slackware to do that automatically ? [09:29] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:30] gasux: use wicd [09:31] Dominian: mx10 spends all day getting abused by SSH bruteforcers [09:31] =/ [09:31] its sad :-( [09:32] spook do you know a wicd tgz that works ? ..because the one from linuxpackages doesent [09:32] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@221.226.45.202) joined ##slackware. [09:32] gasux: DONT USE LINUX PACKAGES [09:32] wicd is in /extra of 12.2 if i recall [09:33] i have 12.1 [09:33] haha, linuxpackages == bad? [09:33] acidchild: yeah [09:33] acidchild: I laugh [09:34] acidchild: because OSSEC fires.. and blocks them.. so.. [09:34] could i compile wicd..or would i run into dependecies hell ? [09:34] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.1/wicd-1.5.6-noarch-1_rlw.tgz [09:34] Dominian: -sigh- i need to run a GDB backtrace on it. [09:34] stoopid debian has no ntfs-3g [09:34] sniffle: yes very very bad. [09:34] dios_mio: thats your kernel. not debian [09:34] gasux: theres your package [09:34] Dominian: i suck at GDB so bad [09:34] =P [09:34] acidchild, hmm [09:34] acidchild: so Do I [09:35] acidchild: its safe to say.. its not rsync [09:35] acidchild: I'm guessing.. we need to reboot that box... [09:35] yep [09:35] acidchild: but I'm still wary of that because of the raid array heeeh [09:35] acidchild: in theory, it should be fine [09:35] acidchild: if you have the time.. we can do it. [09:35] hehe [09:36] yeah, its my first day back today [09:36] so i need to do alot of talking ;[ [09:36] hehe [09:36] So basically you can't do the reboot right now? hehe [09:36] later for sure :-) [09:38] okey bbl, time to shave my face off [09:39] hehe [09:39] acidchild: NX sucks how? [09:40] nordle (n=nordle@87.113.92.202.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:42] hello, I've been messing around deleting packages and now cant use postgresql. If I type "locale" I get http://pastebin.com/mc13937b Which pacakge provides the "locales"? Thanks for any help. [09:43] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [09:47] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:49] glibc-zoneinfo [09:50] dTd: OK, cheers. I can't help but make a hash of the system every 12mths or so :) [09:52] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.133.72) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:53] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [09:53] gasux (n=gasux@79.118.175.154) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] gasux (n=gasux@79.118.174.193) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) left irc: "Leaving" [09:55] spook still the same problem with wicd ...if i don't override my NIC mac with the APs one it doesent connect..this means i always havw to "iwconfig wlan0 ap mac" [09:55] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-98-244-150-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:56] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.83.210) joined ##slackware. [09:58] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [10:01] any idea for my problem guys ? [10:03] sniffle (n=sniffle@unaffiliated/sniffle) left irc: "-" [10:05] you could put it in rc.local [10:07] whot ? [10:08] skatar (n=lupin@host180-40-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:09] morning all [10:09] fuzzbawl: morning? [10:09] gasux (n=gasux@79.118.174.193) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] oh crap.. I forgot to go to bed last night! [10:10] Dominian: hehe [10:10] :) [10:10] take some real lsd [10:10] yes, this is the first 10 o'clock of the day [10:10] Yes.. I have done that before. [10:10] it's actually evening where i live :) [10:11] its actually technically morning where i live. [10:11] can lsd be used on mind control? [10:11] Dom, want to take out the swelled batteries in this smartups we have? :D [10:11] ummmm [10:11] no [10:11] not without a hazmat suit and some "luck" [10:11] :) [10:11] swelled batteries are bad mmmmkay [10:12] oh come on, lead-acid never hurt anyone [10:12] i just saw a bullshit show on discovery [10:12] s/saw/watched [10:12] it's about cia and lsd [10:13] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:13] gasux (n=gasux@79.118.168.85) joined ##slackware. [10:14] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.151.24) left irc: "Leaving" [10:16] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [10:18] skatar (n=lupin@host180-40-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:18] re [10:19] richar_d (n=richard@S0106001d7e522097.wp.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] how can I install Slackware from mounted Install CD on to mounted partition ? [10:19] when those are on running linux system ? [10:20] You need to boot a linux system to install it [10:20] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@221.226.45.202) left irc: Connection timed out [10:20] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) joined ##slackware. [10:21] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.16) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:23] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [10:23] mac-: does the running linux system have slackware's pkgtools installed? [10:26] dretch (n=woot@124-8-20-177.dynamic.tfn.net.tw) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:27] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:29] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-146-153.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:30] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-163-218.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] fred, only slackware has slackware's pkgtools [10:32] what's gonna happen if i remove the kernel-headers package? [10:33] i'm being told that no software will run after this. [10:33] kernel headers are needed for compiling programs, not running programs [10:33] AFAIK [10:33] well, suse used to include slackware's pkgtools :p [10:33] even while RPM based [10:33] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:34] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.159.106) joined ##slackware. [10:34] hehe, try removing kernel-headers [10:35] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-402289.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:35] even installpkg will cease to work after this. [10:35] how come? [10:35] hmm, looks like they stopped including it from 10.0 onwards [10:35] because glibc needs them [10:35] a .tgz -> rpm changeover seems brutal :) [10:36] glibc needs kernel-headers in run time? [10:36] smica (n=smica@h129-60.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] gasux (n=gasux@79.118.168.85) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:37] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:37] gasux (n=gasux@79.118.166.125) joined ##slackware. [10:37] i've always thought so, yes [10:38] afaik, headers are commonly used for compiling stuff, not for running it [10:38] thrice`: but thanks, nice to know that [10:39] remove them and see what happens? just add them again if something bad happens [10:39] don't see the problem [10:39] because if bash, etc. no longer work, re-adding them isn't so easy :> [10:39] bash will work [10:40] ok, but installpkg will not [10:40] :) [10:40] it'd think it would [10:41] and if any issues, chroot is your friend [10:41] i have evidence ;) [10:41] is there a vlc tgz that works ? [10:41] gasux, alienbob had one [10:41] gasux: I think AlienBob has a monster slackbuild [10:42] hmm, you think taht after manually install packages through installpkg on taht aprtition will do all the instalation work ? [10:42] and after that change config files [10:42] gasux, http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [10:42] I have a SlackBuild but also working packages for vlc [10:42] but have to get kernel for that partition to boot system ? [10:43] slava_dp gasux: http://slackware.org.uk/3rd-party/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/vlctest/pkg/12.2/ [10:43] thx guys [10:44] and a linuxdcpp if it's possible [10:44] gasux: Thank THE guy, alienBOB! [10:45] panni_ (i=hannes@ip-88-152-22-213.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [10:45] is google slow where you are too? [10:45] hey, i've got a slackware 12.2 - touching /etc/forcefsck doesnt result in a FS check on boot, how can i fix this? [10:46] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] it successfully removes the file though [10:48] doesn't shutdown use a switch now to force a fsck? [10:48] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:49] Action: kitche wouldn't know on a linux system [10:49] shutdown -F does that/did that, but that only touches /forcefsck (/etc/forcefsck on slackware i guess), too [10:51] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [10:54] grep fsck /etc/rc.d/rc.* [10:54] shows details in rc.S [10:55] its in there (if -f /etc/forcefsck ...) [10:55] if it's not working for you.. then I recommend adding debug statements to rc.S [10:55] I guarantee you it's something simple [10:55] just don't know what :) [10:56] rm /etc/fastboot ? [10:58] Tr4sH (n=Tr4sH@189.71.145.214) joined ##slackware. [10:58] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-232-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:58] hmm nope, not fastboot [10:58] perhaps a shutdown script? [10:59] what do you mean? [11:00] i thought a script triggered by rc.0 or rc.6 couldve deleted /etc/forcefsck before the system even booted [11:00] but doesnt seem to be the case [11:00] i touch /etc/forcefsck, reboot, and the file is gone, but none of the echos in rc.S trigger [11:00] at least not in dmesg/syslog [11:01] although e2fsck complains about "boot count reached, you should run ..." or something like that [11:01] touch it, power off, boot an ISO linux, mount current root, check if it's there [11:02] thing is.. if something were deleting it.. you'd think you'd find it as part of the grep of rc.d [11:02] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:03] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:05] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:06] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [11:07] guys do you know how could i make the volume bar from vlc for example only modify the Master from alsamixer because curently it modifies the Pcm and it's becoming distorsioned [11:07] any idea ? [11:07] yeah right, the only scripts fiddling with forcefsck are rc.S and rc.S.orig [11:07] hmm [11:08] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [11:09] gsaux, not sure but i do know that with xine the option would be software mixer. [11:10] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left irc: "Leaving." [11:10] under audio mixer control method [11:11] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:11] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:11] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [11:13] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-68-47.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:14] Anyone uses tor ? [11:18] pip: anyone using tor wants anonymity. You now want them to say they do this? [11:18] tor is not really anonymity per say [11:18] what is ? [11:27] pip: http://www.torproject.org/ [11:27] allend (n=allend@203-217-90-91.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [11:27] I have set it up [11:29] Guest73945 (i=d5a40442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c5ee9ed3d19edc98) joined ##slackware. [11:31] But just don't know why the rc.tor daemon doesn't work for me on slackware, the /usr/bin/tor works perfectly [11:33] pip: using tor from SBo? [11:35] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:35] BP{k}, Yes sir [11:35] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:36] any good linuxdcpp for slackware ? [11:36] BP{k}, Having chmod +x rc.tor and started, got the feedback as OK but doesn't work [11:36] gartt, what is that ? [11:36] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-68-47.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:37] or ktorrent ? [11:37] gasux: DC++ != good [11:37] ktorrent is in slackware. http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/linuxdcpp/ [11:37] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.224) joined ##slackware. [11:37] ktorrent is sexy, I used it before slackware on Fedora [11:38] azureus ftw [11:38] but there is only possible to install Slackware by boot from install cd ? [11:39] mac-, what do you mean ? [11:39] as I wrote it [11:39] pip: can you run the following for me and put it on a pastebin: `bash -x /etc/rc.d/rc.tor 2>&1 | tee ${HOME}/torlog.txt [11:39] I wish to process instalation in run Linux to newly created partition [11:40] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:40] mac-: you could also use usb/pxe boots, if you dont want to use a CD [11:40] pip: and pastebin the $HOME/torlog.txt [11:41] Wait a minute please [11:41] no hurry, I am here all week :P [11:41] hmm, I can`t [11:43] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:43] does anyone know of a password safe like application for the linux console [11:44] gpg [11:44] thats what i use atm [11:44] i had planned a c/php/mysql application to do it.. but never found the time to implement it [11:45] lol [11:46] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:47] BP{k}, maybe you lost a corresponding mark of ` [11:47] ... [11:47] *headedesk* [11:47] :P [11:47] aspirin? [11:48] macavity: won't help. [11:48] BP{k}, doesn't work [11:48] pip: *le sigh* the ` was meant as to indicate what command to run: [11:48] anyway .. just so you get it: just run this: [11:48] bash -x /etc/rc.d/rc.tor 2>&1 | tee ${HOME}/torlog.txt [11:48] fade-in (i=fadein@server1.bshellz.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:48] bittin^ (i=bittin@server1.bshellz.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:48] as normal user ? [11:49] got it [11:49] Action: pip is going to pastebin [11:49] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:49] probally very common question, how easy is compiz to setup in stock 12.2? [11:50] BP{k}, http://rafb.net/p/iPxY7483.html thanks [11:50] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:50] spook_, as easy as eat a ham [11:51] umm considering that 12.2 has compiz in it I believe [11:51] pip: great. now go run it as root as it is supposed to be done. [11:51] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] pip: and actually run it as .. [11:51] bash -x /etc/rc.d/rc.tor start 2>&1 | tee ${HOME}/torlog.txt [11:51] BP{k}, run what ? tor or that command given from you [11:52] the command I just gave you. [11:52] sudo or su - ? [11:52] Action: BP{k} gives up. Come back after you read slackbook. [11:52] BP{k}, I got it [11:53] Action: pip is going to pastebin [11:53] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq238.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:53] BP{k}, http://rafb.net/p/WlBMyb15.html [11:54] buhu, I just woke up and it's already dark [11:54] breakfast time :\ [11:54] lol [11:54] pip seems to work okay. [11:55] BP{k}, let me try again [11:55] pip: tbh, I don't run tor, so other than the obvious I am afraid i am not much help :) [11:56] Thank you all the same : ) [11:56] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:56] so how do i enable compiz? [11:58] same way as any other distro compiz --replace [11:59] kamaji: same here [11:59] Action: spook_ bangs head against desk [11:59] Nick change: spook_ -> spook [12:00] spook_: go to SBo and get compiz-fusion [12:00] spook: fusion-icon makes everything so much easier :P [12:00] macavity: okay [12:00] spook: dont forget to read the readme.... [12:01] tying down girls makes it easier to use a ping pong paddle on them [12:01] ^_^ [12:02] just telling them to bend over is even easier ;-) [12:03] they squirm and try to get away :) [12:03] not the girl i play with [12:03] spook: than your training is failing ;) [12:04] also gags are awesome, tie them up, gag them, then go watch the game with a drink [12:04] BP{k}: its ongoing [12:04] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [12:05] it always is.. as here is always room for improvement [12:06] anyways.. later gang.. time to cookamok :P [12:06] spook: fail. what's even BETTER is getting said girl to go get drink for you, and any other items you might require, while you watch the game, and while she's not needed, to either kneel quietly in the corner, or at your feet, or where ever you like. naked, of course. [12:07] macavity: dont let that wench in the kitchen in anything less than just an apron [12:08] spook: i do the cooking around here, as i insist on eating properly.. unlike BP{k}, my other half does not have a black belt in kitche-fu [12:09] Action: kethry grins at macavity [12:09] anyways, later folks [12:09] macavity: i know. [12:09] been through that line of convo before [12:09] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:09] whos married to the registered nurse? [12:13] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [12:14] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:17] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [12:19] hi =) [12:20] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.224) left irc: "0x0" [12:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:22] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [12:24] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:25] fast processor compiles stuff really fast [12:25] not really if your limited by ram :) [12:26] 3.2ghz cpu w/ 16mb of ram wooo [12:26] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [12:27] 2.6ghz quad core with 4gb ram ^_^ [12:27] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.37) left irc: "Bye Bye" [12:27] tho really its 2.8GB -_- [12:27] clock speed means little [12:28] Tirili (n=Janisz20@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [12:28] its a q9450, its a beast [12:30] Hi! Sometimes, I forget to plug in the network cable on my laptop. Then, when I have plugged it in, I usually run udevtrigger as root to make the network connection be established. But now with Slackware 12.2 there is no such command available any more. What do I have to do here? [12:31] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-163-218.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:31] Tirili: restart the network init scripts [12:31] How? [12:31] it should just connect [12:31] and udevtrigger should still be available through 'udevadm trigger' [12:31] (holly ping) [12:32] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:32] ah [12:32] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-93-222-219.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:32] and in 12.1, /sbin/udevtrigger is actually a simlink to udevadm [12:32] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-93-222-219.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:32] ok [12:33] And how can I "restart the network init scritps"? [12:33] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 ? [12:34] or '/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart' (I never use the 'restart') [12:34] thank you! :) [12:34] gasux (n=gasux@79.118.166.125) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:35] gasux (n=gasux@79.115.96.134) joined ##slackware. [12:37] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [12:38] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [12:39] Guest73945 (i=d5a40442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c5ee9ed3d19edc98) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [12:40] _Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-d386ff0b3c0014f9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:42] _Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-de2bc1408ea117da) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Nick change: pip -> Pip [12:56] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.21) joined ##slackware. [12:57] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:59] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:01] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Is there a way to query a shutdown in progress and see how much time is left before it takes place? ie I do a shutdown -h 60 and forget how long ago I did it? [13:07] Tirili (n=Janisz20@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [13:09] gasux (n=gasux@79.115.96.134) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:11] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [13:11] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [13:12] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:14] nordle (n=nordle@87.113.92.202.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:24] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the ##channel :) [13:27] Action: kitche should burn his one cd [13:27] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:27] win 4 [13:27] fail 94 [13:28] guitarma14 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Anyone uses tor ? [13:29] Hobbes, So you are from Europe ? [13:29] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [13:30] You an FBI agent ? [13:30] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:30] Action: Old_Fogie gets out the tin hat and tazer-toaster oven [13:32] Pip: you could probably get an answer from him if you had asked that in German :) [13:33] lol [13:33] laughing at me eh? [13:33] Action: Old_Fogie plugs in the tazer-toaster-oven [13:33] hahah [13:35] Old_Fogie Do you use tor ? [13:35] no it uses DNS [13:35] Right Now for Denton, TX (76201) Freezing Rain 30°F Feels Like 23°F; hm, don't think I want to go outside now [13:36] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Pip, I dont use DNS, too insecure [13:36] :O [13:36] Old_Fogie, what do you use instead ? [13:37] Yeah too many people out there with tons of megaplops in them playstations causing collisions, and tricking bind all over the place [13:37] Pip, I write down the IP's after I search for them [13:37] basically, key the IP's til' I get what I want, then I write it down in my marble notebook. [13:38] Action: Pip is confused [13:38] gonna be a bit(h when ipv6 comes out tho [13:38] Which I have secretly replaced with *my* marble notebook. [13:38] jkwood, exactly [13:38] gotta stay ahead of them hackers you know [13:39] In actuality, Old_Fogie has been using IPv6 for ten years now. [13:39] what do you mean *when* it comes out? [13:39] NyteOwl (n=sysop@hlfx56-1-93.ns.sympatico.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Action: fuzzbawl looks at his IP [13:39] fuzzbawl, well when I get's more prevalent [13:39] fuzzbawl, right now I can type and get most of em [13:39] but when it grows.. [13:39] well yea [13:40] Greetings Programs! [13:40] Action: Old_Fogie sounds the intruder alert alarm [13:40] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:40] for most of the geeks in the world you can find their IP's by throwing pairs of beef, c0de, dead and babe into the IP :D [13:40] hahah hello NyteOwl [13:41] hi Old_Fogie, happy new year [13:41] well thank you! Happy New Year to you and yours too NyteOwl :) [13:42] merci beucoup [13:42] how were your holidays? [13:43] Christmas was great! New Years not so great. I practically spent it by myself, the whole family, kids, grandkids wife, all sick. /me looks to the sky and says *Thank You* as /me didn't get the sickness yet :) [13:43] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) left irc: "leaving" [13:43] Sorry to hear about the illness. glad you're so far immune :) [13:44] I just don't know why the sbo tor's rc.tor daemon doesn't work for me at all, instead I have to use /usr/bin/tor & [13:44] yea, I figure what a week incubation...I should either get it/not get it today, or next few days...if so I may be in the clear, or in bed heh. [13:44] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Old_Fogie: the clap? [13:44] Pip, did you read the README file? [13:45] straterra, hahaha [13:45] straterra, not that I know of, but I thought I heard the faint sound of crotch crickets :) [13:45] they were singing [13:45] carolling none the less, yup [13:45] you heard them too? [13:46] Old_Fogie, Yes,if you meant the README file within the SBO [13:46] I did [13:46] rvo (n=rodrigo@adsl-139-101.click.com.py) joined ##slackware. [13:47] straterra, well if you heard them,and I heard them...the link there must be Santa Claus...hrmmm [13:47] Action: Old_Fogie scratches head [13:47] Santa Claus is an STD [13:48] Pip, you have the libevent in there? [13:48] Old_Fogie, Sure [13:48] Pip, how are you calling it to startup at system start? [13:49] Old_Fogie, first of all I chmod +x rc.tor and then sudo /etc/rc.d/rc.tor start, it doesn't really start [13:49] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-402289.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:50] Define "doesn't really start." [13:50] Well, any script that's simply dropped into /etc/rc.d/ , and that's it..doesnt do anything on it's own. It would have to be added to rc.local or rc.XXXXXX or some sort in the init scripts [13:50] It turns over..but no ignition [13:50] So like my truck if you don't press the button. [13:50] try stroking ask it please maybe it'll work [13:51] Old_Fogie, yes, but manual invocation should be working too [13:52] Old_Fogie, If you wold install it and have a try and delete ? [13:52] /dev/root 5.8G 4.5G 1000M 83% / [13:52] w000t [13:52] Pip, if you do /etc/rc.d/rc.tor start does it work then? [13:53] Pip, oh wait, sudo aint gonna do it [13:53] I said, does NOT work for me [13:53] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [13:53] Pip, that ain't gonna work unless you put the commands in the /etc/sudoers file [13:53] Oh ? [13:53] yup [13:53] what do you mean ? [13:53] unless you made yourself in admin group (which is nuts) [13:53] I mean Slackware != ubunut [13:53] we dont sudo everything [13:53] we don't? [13:54] add the users to admin group automatigically on insall [13:54] You are talking about sudo setting ? [13:54] Pip, well you said before you did 'sudo ....start' [13:54] Pip, and unless you did all kinds of stuff in /etc/sudoers file...you'll get nothing [13:54] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Connection timed out [13:54] I set sudo as ALL as root [13:55] Pip, I don't know that daemon, but if it monkeys with network settings, that's priveledged and root needs to start it for you, so my guess testing on a dev box would be su to root, then start it as root, then test with your normal users etc. [13:55] rvo (n=rodrigo@adsl-139-101.click.com.py) left irc: "leaving" [13:56] see if it works. if that daemon can be run after the network comes up on stock system, then I'd presume you could just add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local file ; the commands to start it. [13:56] Old_Fogie, it works as root but not as the good, since there is no pid file in the path defined in rc.tor [13:57] why doesn't sudo take care of it? [13:57] well, the fact that /etc/rc.d/rc.tor file, tells me it's a system daemon, and system stuff is started by root, or a different user account with lower prives...but nothing in /etc/rc.d is to be executed by a member of users group [13:57] sudo whoami : root [13:58] see ? [13:58] it's root already [13:58] sudo whoami ==> root [13:58] Old_Fogie, Why don't you install it and have a try ? it's less than 1 minutes there [13:58] Pip, my advice, read the docs and see what the authors recommend and then pass that on to the person who wrote the slackbuild, they really should've addressed this matter and not left it alone. [14:01] okay [14:01] Action: jonsmith1982 used to have a dog called pip, he could wipe his own arse though. [14:01] jonsmith1982, stfu [14:01] Pip, it'd help others that would use the script if you did look it over, and discuss with the scripts author ya know :) [14:02] St. Fu, patron saint of ninjas, and ProjectSTFU.com. [14:02] Pip, you could also try posting in #slackbuilds maybe someone there can help, or try the mailing list [14:02] Pip, but reading docs==good [14:02] what doc ? [14:03] should be some form of /usr/doc/tor-$version there on your boxen no? [14:03] maybe a manpage or two? [14:04] I see, thanks [14:04] Pip, remember slackware's pacages are just tgz tarballs, so you can even open it up in 'ark' or any zip file manager and explore the contents. [14:04] jkwood: I like that one :) [14:04] okay [14:05] jjholt (n=jjholt@adsl-99-190-15-168.dsl.toldoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] Pip, you can also go to /var/log/packages and do something like "cat torXYZ |less" and see the contents of the package that way, or even open it up in a text editor and read the list of contents [14:06] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Action: Old_Fogie chuckles...saw the "get in my belly!" guy on tv [14:06] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [14:08] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:09] less can read a file directly without piping from some other command, "less filename" [14:09] I knew that [14:09] Action: Old_Fogie hides [14:09] heh,not [14:09] rob0, showoff :) [14:11] Action: jkwood joins the showing off and points out http://slaxer.com/scripts.php [14:12] too dark links, I cant see them so they must be hax [14:12] virrii, and pron [14:12] is that right jkwood ? black background and blue text [14:12] Yep. [14:12] what are you a BlobAndConquer dev? [14:13] No. Should I be? [14:13] http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/blobAndConquer.php [14:13] Ah. [14:13] :D [14:14] takes me darn near 20 minutes to see if a new version out, then I found opera :) [14:14] Yeah, I'm planning a new theme for my site. I'm moving everything to Ruby on Rails... it's just taking some time. [14:15] nice site jqwood [14:16] runs fast that site [14:16] is parallelrealities.co.uk yours Old_Fogie? [14:17] guitarma14, no it's the homepage of two neat games that SBo has buildscripts for [14:17] i never played blob wars - is it fun? [14:17] but I really have a hard time reading that [14:17] guitarma14, oh yeah it is [14:17] they have two of them games [14:17] Sorry about that. I tried to make it fairly high-contrast. [14:17] blobwars and blobandconquer [14:18] jkwood, oh it's ok it's not you.. too many years with these here eyeballs [14:18] I have to use 120 dpi most of time 1024x768 14 dpi :) [14:18] Ah, one of those. [14:18] ok, i will pull them down now ;) [14:19] Well, I still want my site to be as usable as possible. [14:19] Hmm... There's a SlackBuild for Blob Wars, but not Metal Blob Solid. [14:19] maybe it was slackyeu then I have them both here let me check [14:19] s#Blob Wars#Blob and Conquer# [14:19] for theother one [14:20] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.1/games/ [14:20] blobwars directory there [14:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [14:20] blobandconquer is in regular slackbuilds site. [14:21] guitarma14, yes and the blobwars is at the site I listed above [14:21] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] guitarma14, they have a buildscript there [14:21] cool thx :) [14:21] yw [14:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:24] Old_Fogie, Yeah, I found sodu on slackware is a bit different from that on other linux distributions [14:25] *sudo [14:25] sammo (n=sammo@78-105-249-150.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Pip, I'm not being a wise ass here, sudo in Slackware is the way that the dev's meant sudo; distro's like ubunut totally changed the way it all goes down. [14:26] Old_Fogie, I thought sudo is to be a root user, but it's not that completely [14:26] Nick change: sammo -> theblackbox [14:26] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-7acd4b436a6bbcea) left irc: [14:27] so what is it in ubuntu if it's not "the real sudo" ? [14:27] Pip, well sudo is su + do == super user + do ; where super user = root. So your running a command the 'do' as the 'super user' ; but your not root [14:28] hiptobecubic, you tell me, they have no password for root on the box [14:28] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74d9b7.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [14:28] if you want a root pass, you have to 'passwd root' and make one [14:28] then say bye-bye to all the gksu stuff working right on ubunut [14:28] you can 'sudo su' [14:29] but then you have a heck of a time for a graphical app [14:29] i remember gksu working fine, even with a root password [14:29] i'll have to check again [14:29] sudo su will give you a bash-3.1# [14:30] sudo -s will give a shell [14:30] and to me, I really despise the fact that it remembers that you keyed in the pass once, and then you have a few minutes where it's stored, and boy do I *fear* a pop up for some screwy hack coming up asking for privs someday if linux is ever in fact virii ridden what not [14:30] tribeca (n=vedo@host25-242-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [14:31] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009109065.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:31] jjholt, Yes, lovely shell [14:31] dive: hi man. [14:31] hi [14:31] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] But you can google all day til' your blue in the face on ubunut's sudo, there's plenty of smarter people out there advising for it and against it, I take the side of precaution [14:32] Old_Fogie, btw, how to check which package does a given file belong to ? [14:32] grep /var/log/packages/* [14:33] When I use firefox-bin under KDE, Oroborus or any non GTK native interface/wm, it uses the default GTK widgets (many squares). [14:33] Pip, but ubunut aside, just know that sudo is done differently in slack "out of the box' so if you want that,you'll need to read up on the sudoers stuff and edit accordingly [14:34] But if I , under these wm (KDE, Oroborus, fluxbox...) run a XFCE application (xfce4-mixer per example) and load firefox (or any app that uses GTK) the widgets changes [14:35] yep that sounds like you need to force the gtk themes to be applied somehow [14:35] Theres a way to use the XFCE GTK widgets without start an application? [14:35] there *may* be a way to do that by a program that allows kde to use gtk themes [14:35] k_wolf, gtk settings are stored in a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file ; (unless it's gnome). you have to decide if you want to use KDE with gtk if so get the kde gtk theme package. [14:36] yeah i had that once but long ago [14:36] try kde-look.org [14:36] SBo has some stuff for it [14:36] to change the themes and edit the file iirc [14:36] Thanks guys. I'll work on it. See you later. [14:36] also the kde one [14:37] slackware-jennie (n=jennie@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) left irc: "Leaving" [14:37] k_wolf, a neat trick is to launch 'xfce-mcs-manager' in the backgrond in KDE, or fluxbox, what happens then is, you'll see kde themes for kde stuff, but gtk stuff will use those specified in xfce. [14:37] uhvo (n=uhvo@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: "Leaving" [14:37] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:38] I believe its basically "go", just with cute graphics [14:38] Old_Fogie, yeah thats probably the quickest ans easiest way [14:38] k_wolf, you can add that to autolaunch with kde in ~/.kde/Autostart folder (i belive I got tha path right) [14:38] (blobwars, that is) [14:38] dive, only issue I find is that the mouse settings are from XFCE then, and not KDE per se' [14:38] k_wolf, ^^ see that there [14:38] but hey looks better, less packages, so let er' rip [14:39] rk4n3, oh is that? No I never played 'go' before. But the game is nice. Did you try BlobAndConquer yet? that's nice too. [14:40] Old_Fogie: ah - I believe I'll try that next :) [14:40] rk4n3, yeah it's a keeper in my book, heh [14:40] z` (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:40] rk4n3, once I went into video and pumped up the brightness [14:40] plays good with a game pad too [14:42] emptywords (n=emptywor@79.118.166.242) joined ##slackware. [14:42] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [14:43] i have a problem guy...sometimes not always wicd is connecting to my router but no page loads ...what could be the problem ? [14:44] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [14:45] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""second dinner"" [14:45] how many dinners does that man have? [14:45] fourteen [14:45] daily [14:46] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) joined ##slackware. [14:46] i believe in lunch [14:46] anyone any idea...? should i delete my old wpa_supplicant conf file ? [14:46] emptywords, i dont think wicd uses wpa_supplicant conf [14:46] no, it makes its own in real-time [14:47] does it never connect properly or does it take a long time? [14:47] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [14:48] yes dive but i don't what's the problem...i have an intel card .....iwl4965 [14:49] i know mine seems to take a while to connect at times [14:50] when it does get connected and i.m able to surf also i. get lucky...like now...but there's got to be a solution....or i.m missing something [14:50] have you set it to auto connect at startup in options? [14:50] the wicd daemon should be able to connect on boot before the gui has even loaded [14:50] if it's taking its time, that is [14:51] is there any file i should configure like in supplicant ? [14:52] God damn it.. i'm working with windows @ work.. but my hobby is this freakin' linux shit. i hate it, but it is interesting and makes fun and slackware is just the best you can get. [14:52] it's all done through the gui afaik [14:52] sry.. just wanted to say that :) [14:52] or sould i disable my old config file from supplicant? maybe there is a conflict of some kind [14:52] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) joined ##slackware. [14:52] m0nik3r5 (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-85d71c5db243b52d) joined ##slackware. [14:53] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [14:53] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: No route to host [14:54] well i have read that you should not put any settings in rc.inet1.conf and wpa_supplicant.conf if you are going to use wicd, but personally i haven't noticed any difference [14:54] moin [14:54] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [14:54] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:55] I cought this conversation late , what are you guys trying to do? [14:55] but make sure that rc.inet1 isn't trying to connect at the same time as wicd [14:55] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) left irc: Client Quit [14:56] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [14:56] so maybe edit out the settings from that [14:56] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:56] trying to autoconnect? [14:56] i think you just need set dchp="no" [14:56] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) left irc: [14:56] m0nik3r5, his wicd doesn't always connect properly [14:57] ah, ok. i was just trying to get it to auto connect at startup just now is why I ask. [14:57] i mean it connects to the router but not always loads pages ....in short it only ping the router [14:58] emptywords: how did you install wicd? [14:58] from a slackbuild rworkman [14:59] Where? [14:59] and what Slackware version? [14:59] alienbobs build [14:59] 12.1 [15:00] Hrm, alienBOB's build should be fine. [15:00] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/sources/wicd/ <-- try that; it's for 1.5.8 [15:01] and make sure you're using dhcpcd for the dhcp client [15:01] rworkman: Anything new in experimental? [15:01] jkwood: hrm, when did you last grab it? [15:02] rworkman that is source...what difference will it make ? [15:03] and my vers is 12.1 [15:04] what is the path to rc.inet1.conf ? [15:04] i forgot [15:04] /etc/rc.d [15:05] Hmm... r228. [15:05] thx [15:05] Ah, yes, I see. [15:05] jkwood: I just updated http://slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd/ with the latest snapshot of my experimental branch [15:05] 1.5.8 works fine on slamd64 [15:05] after I realized they finally added a wpa-psk profile [15:05] emptywords: I don't have a package for 12.1 - that's why I gave you source [15:06] and it compiles fine ? no dependencies requiered ? 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[15:10] i will try that...and come back here with results..if i will be able to ..:) [15:10] emptywords (n=emptywor@79.118.166.242) left irc: "Leaving" [15:10] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] We should have told him he didn't need to stop his wireless for this. [15:11] How do I create a map to the network for the Enterprise using nagios? [15:11] that made my brain hurt [15:11] you want to do what now with nagios? [15:11] what [15:11] fuzzbawl: You said the same thing that I said by saying 'what' [15:11] fuzzbawl: hehe [15:12] Dominian: u stay out of my brains! [15:12] hehe [15:12] Action: dive notices the flying brain monsters from neptune [15:13] kleanchap: what you said.. makes no sense. [15:13] flying spaghetti monster could take them [15:13] kleanchap : english. please, use english [15:13] The only way Nagios maps anything is after you add host entries to it.. and nagios isn't supported in this channel [15:13] Action: Dominian shrugs [15:14] brb [15:14] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:15] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.159.106) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [15:16] Action: Dominian waits for the babelfish answer [15:16] babelfish: answer hazy [15:17] hehe [15:18] m0nik3r5 (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-85be39a1f16c60b2) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [15:19] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [15:21] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009109065.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Solved. GTK QT resolved my problem. [15:21] Thanks again guys. [15:22] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: ":wq" [15:23] emptywords (n=emptywor@79.118.166.242) joined ##slackware. [15:23] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-196.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:23] thanks rworkman that version did the trick [15:23] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [15:24] nille_ (i=1000@c-ee63e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:25] but now there is one problem...wicd used to start in user from the icon..now it will only start from the icon if i do wicd in the terminal first [15:25] i see "wicd" and i think Cisco WIC daemon [15:25] but that's ok...thanks god it works now [15:26] acidchild (i=ash@208.92.235.204) joined ##slackware. [15:26] foureyes779 (n=don@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [15:26] /ban acidchild candamnadian [15:26] er, ewps [15:26] :D [15:26] dont make me txt you more retarded shit :-P [15:27] hi all, how can i check which options the given kernel module support? [15:27] lol [15:27] did it give you runny poopoo? [15:27] worse, it made me hungry [15:28] Action: NyteOwl window shopping for a digital camera [15:29] NyteOwl: i just got a Finepix S8100FD [15:29] i really like it :-) [15:29] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Connection timed out [15:29] nice. I picked up a Coolpix S550 to carry around [15:29] not a bad little point and shoot [15:29] yeah i have a easyshare kodac for club nights and stuff [15:30] acidchild: I have an E510 but can't get the accessory lenses for it anymore hence my window shopping :) [15:30] doesn't matter to me if i drop it in a pint or w/e [15:30] NyteOwl: its not an SLR [15:30] but does 18x optical zoom [15:30] acidchild: it should matter! that's beer you're wasting! [15:30] indeed :-P [15:30] i'll keep the camera clean so i can just lick it off. [15:30] good plan [15:30] :-P [15:31] acidchild: neither is the E510 :) [15:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Oh but the lenses are interchangable. [15:31] I'd like a Canon 5d or 1ds but don't have 8-10K to drop on a camera body :) [15:31] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [15:31] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:31] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:32] i'd settle for the 20 or 30d [15:32] acidchild: not they mount infront of the regular lens for wide andgle and telephoto [15:32] but same problem :-/ [15:32] ahh [15:32] i played with mums finepix, fell in love [15:32] so i went and got on in the boxing day sales. [15:33] I'de like a DSLR if I can fit soemthing decent into the budget. To be honst I prefer film [15:34] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:37] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [15:37] greenshoe (i=justinh@sdf-eu.org) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:38] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:39] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:40] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@adsl-235-197-111.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:43] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [15:43] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:46] acidchild: interesting looking camera (the S8100FD), what is the len's shiortest focal length? [15:46] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:47] wooot [15:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:49] Nick change: sberla54 -> sberla|out [15:49] Nick change: sberla|out -> sberla54 [15:49] ops [15:49] sorry [15:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:54] NyteOwl: 1cm [15:54] or less [15:54] NyteOwl: http://dubstep.7a69.co.uk/~ash/dscf1080.jpg [15:54] acidchild: no the focal length, not minimum focus distance ;p [15:54] be aware i suck at taking picture. [15:55] i dunno :-/ [15:55] btw 4MB image [15:55] k, I can check the site - the pic I was looking at just didn't list it is all. [15:56] I have tons fo film photography equipment. i may try selling some and getting a decent digi to go with my good film camera [15:56] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] hmm the FinePix S5 pro looks intersting [15:57] MasterX831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-197-111.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-52-255-109.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] 12 Megapix isn't bad for the price [15:58] :) [15:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:59] anyone knows a good dc++ client for slack ? [15:59] to get really close to film quality you need a good bit more but that's not bad [16:02] anyone knows a good dc++ client for slack ? [16:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:02] emptywords: we saw it the first time [16:03] sorry..by mistake the 2n ime :) [16:03] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] foureyes779 (n=don@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [16:04] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:04] acidchild (i=ash@208.92.235.204) left irc: "BRB" [16:06] acidchild (i=ash@208.92.235.204) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Part` (i=part@archlinux/trusteduser/Part) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:07] acidchild: a Nikon D3x would be nice but $9500 for the body? ouch! [16:08] Tr4sH (n=Tr4sH@189.71.145.214) left irc: "Leaving" [16:10] d3x would be fun [16:10] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@adsl58-186.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:10] i shoot with a D50 tho =p [16:10] love the camera [16:10] anyone tried virtualbox on slack ? [16:12] well [16:12] the new wine-1.1.12 cant run on my system, i downgraded to 1.0.1 [16:13] anyone with that problem? [16:13] virtualbox is nice :) [16:13] why doesn't wine run? =p [16:13] and i use vmware personally... but that's only because my job paid for it (since it works in both linux and windows [16:13] well, i may pastebin output [16:13] I wanted to build 1.1.12 it but must confess there was no time yet [16:13] ) [16:13] toytoy_ (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Nick change: toytoy_ -> toytoy [16:14] i builded it myself, and tried from slacky too, but bot are not working [16:14] it won't build? [16:14] wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x0000001c at address 0x46c559 (thread 001b), starting debugger...Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x0000001c in 32-bit code (0x0046c559). [16:14] or did it build and it doesn't start? [16:15] are you using a 64-bit system? [16:15] this is the output from both versions, but the old stable version continue debugging and run the program, the new doesnt [16:15] Just wanted to ask that :-) [16:16] emptywords: virtualbox works fine on slackware [16:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:16] emptywords: The new 2.1.0 is very nice [16:16] no more rc.vboxnet [16:16] i tried myself compiled and this from slacky both builds gave the same output [16:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:16] so, to answer my question D-r_Flower? =p [16:16] no 32 [16:17] greeting s [16:17] Dominian ..it compiles fine ? [16:17] emptywords: If you're using the slackbuilds.org script.. yes [16:17] I use the binary from the website though [16:18] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [16:19] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [16:19] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left irc: Client Quit [16:19] Necos: 32 bit system [16:19] ok [16:20] hcfd (n=hacfed@host86-147-59-33.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:20] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] is there any way I can ssh into my windows machine? [16:21] http://pastebin.ca/1300406 the full output [16:22] jeff___ (n=jeff@bzq-79-176-40-229.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] limac: if you install Slackware instead of Windows yes [16:23] AND, of course by installing cygwin [16:23] limac: MS Windows does not use openssh by default, and I do not know of an openssh like application for MS Windows. [16:23] limac: Problem is, tht MS Windows is not really built as a netowrk OS the way the *nix's are. [16:24] Cygwin's sshd works fine here [16:24] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [16:24] alienBOB: usr13: I installed putty on the windows machine. So is that enough? [16:24] or do I need someting else? [16:25] limac: putty is a ssh client ffs [16:25] usus12jari: putty is client application only. [16:25] And another point worth bringing up: this is not #windows [16:25] ahh... [16:26] Action: alienBOB advises to insert Slackware 12.2 DVD and reboot [16:26] actually i think there is a windows sshd but I forget the name of it now [16:27] alienBOB: lol, yup, bye bye Windows :) [16:27] limac: you need a sshd server "demon" for the win box find it with google or #windows :-( [16:27] powershell [16:27] its the somewhat equivalent [16:27] still not full featured though [16:28] I just found: http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/cygwin-sshd.html [16:28] Reading... [16:28] jeff___: well, now it's really not needed anymore, I'll just install slackware on that machine. ;) [16:28] sounds more logical! [16:28] limac: you can the cygwin sshd but you need to add dll's [16:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:28] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [16:28] just google windows sshd server and you find some links [16:28] It's logical, but only if you're ready for such a step. [16:28] limac: yep it is better! [16:28] I'll just point to SFU : Services For Unix which gives you a bsd environnement under windows (a bit like cygwin but much much faster) [16:29] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:29] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left ##slackware. [16:29] I used Windows for a few months after my first Slackware install. (That was NT4 and Zipslack 3.6.) [16:29] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] anyone know how to install frostwire client ? [16:30] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:30] emptywords: get it from slacky.eu its just java app [16:31] guys i am trying to compile a new kernel (2.6.28) if i use my config from my current kernel (2.6.24.5) will that be enough.. or is there something i should check manually in the new kernel config? [16:31] oh kewl I can save $600 off the price of a Nikon D300 [16:31] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.119.40) joined ##slackware. [16:31] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:31] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Shrp_, there will definitely be new things, you may configure your kernel with 'make oldconfig' [16:32] Shrp_: there r a lot of changes, i tried 2.6.27 with that old config and there was changes that need answer [16:32] be prepared to grep and google though as you won't have much information [16:32] foureyes779 (n=don@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [16:33] NyteOwl can save the entire price, by not buying it at all. ;) [16:33] is there a way to see the new options [16:33] rob0: of clurse but defeats the prupose of getting a new camera :p [16:33] introduced in the kernel [16:33] rob0: hahaha [16:33] make old config ll ask u, but i dont like that [16:34] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:34] doesn't make menuconfig show new options? [16:34] Shrp_, 2.6.x changes quite a bit with the "x". It wasn't like that so much in previous versions. Now, each "x" is like its own development tree. [16:34] The Fuji S5Pro is the same camera as the Nikon D300 and is $600 cheaper [16:35] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] i see rob0 [16:35] the finepix are reall nice. [16:35] dive, it marks them as '(NEW)' but lets you find them ;) [16:36] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] thats what i thought [16:36] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:36] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host223-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:36] i always go through new kernels looking for extras anyway - it's most of the fun :) [16:36] acidchild: I have a pair of Fuji film SLR's the 8000 and 9000. Very solid good performing cameras [16:36] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [16:36] I'm doing that too often [16:37] er 800/900 [16:37] well this is the first time i'll be configuring a kernel.. [16:37] :( [16:37] when I git pulled earlier today, I wouldn't have spent two hours just to find the single new option ;) [16:37] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:37] so was hoping a way for the new stuff to stand out a bit so i can take a look at it [16:37] Shrp_, good luck [16:37] Camarade_Tux, yeah i was too at one point but now I just do it with new slack upgrades [16:37] and don't forget NOT to overwrite your old kernel :p [16:37] i guess i could traverse all the options [16:37] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "leaving" [16:38] dive, I recompile my kernel at least once a week >< [16:38] Camarade_Tux: i'll keep an eye on that :P been reading stuff on compiling a new kernel.. they just don't mention anything INSIDE the kernel [16:38] mostly the formalities relating to before and after [16:39] Camarade_Tux, I've got mine working good for now so not going to touch it again for a while I think [16:39] not until 12.3 comes out [16:39] or I get some new hardware [16:39] kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@92.48.16.91) joined ##slackware. [16:39] but it's 1/2 the fun [16:39] heh dive i have debated that option.. since my current install is pretty stable [16:40] hmmmmm [16:40] but compiling a kernel is something i been meaning to check out for a little while now :) [16:40] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] anyone mucked with monitor color profiles in X? [16:40] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [16:40] Shrp_, you can make your computer boot in less than 10 seconds if you recompile [16:41] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] (or how to make people recompile their kernel even if they didn't intend to ;p ) [16:41] really? but that would need me to make some changes [16:42] hahaha [16:42] yeah but that was mostly to annoy you, for now you'd better just have a kernel that boots ;) [16:43] jeff___ (n=jeff@bzq-79-176-40-229.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:43] Shrp_, read up on compiling and make yourself a bash script to do most of the work for you [16:43] less chance of fskcing things up too [16:45] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:45] jeff___ (n=jeff@bzq-79-176-40-229.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [16:46] there's the randomconfig thing too, must be quite funny :p [16:47] funny to do to someone else ;) [16:48] but only as long as you run faster then he does ;) [16:48] nah do it over ssh [16:48] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [16:48] no need run, just bolt the front door [16:49] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [16:50] katmio (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) joined ##slackware. [16:51] quit [16:51] jeff___ (n=jeff@bzq-79-176-40-229.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:52] lymeca (n=esthar@unaffiliated/lymeca) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [16:52] esthar (n=esthar@student165-92.hampshire.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Could someone explain to me what "Inter-Computer File Transmission" means? (i saw it in a program and i didn't understand it) [16:53] tried google? [16:53] Shuren (n=Devilman@host223-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:53] yes i did [16:54] I guess that's a pseudo-complicated way to say "exchanging files between computers" [16:55] Camarade_Tux thanks thats what i thought but i wasn't sure. [16:56] if it was like all komputers or only computers in an group [16:56] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [16:56] s/komputers/computers [16:57] I've never heard about that, maybe someone else did but I doubt it [16:59] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.9.229) joined ##slackware. [16:59] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-196.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [17:00] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] fade-in (i=fadein@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:10] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.119.40) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] Conflict_80, are you using sbopkg? did you check for the requirements [17:11] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [17:11] kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@92.48.16.91) left irc: Success [17:12] I'm not using sbopkg, i went to audacity, the page for that told me i needed wxGTK and libsoundfile, so i installed those from slackbuild, then started the build for audacity [17:12] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:15] Conflict_80, maybe it would be better to go to slackbuild, see audacity, see the requirements and start building from there [17:15] Conflict_80, the order of the instalation of the dependencies is important sometimes [17:15] Conflict_80, may you paste audacity logs [17:15] That's what i did [17:16] audacity on slackbuild says needs wxGTK or wxPython, and libsndfile [17:16] Conflict_80, try to configure audacity from clean sources and paste the log [17:17] (./configure) (config.log) [17:18] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:18] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [17:18] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] dood man bro [17:18] same output, nothing really relevant prior to the pastebin i posted above [17:18] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] i'm waiting for a server to backup [17:19] on site ;) [17:19] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [17:19] http://pastebin.com/m71ea586e [17:19] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:20] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Conflict_80, are you sure you did it as I say :/ [17:21] m0nik3r5 (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-85be39a1f16c60b2) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:21] hehe sec, that's what ./configure outputs, i'll post you config.log [17:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [17:22] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [17:22] http://pastebin.com/m4f586998 [17:22] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:22] Nick change: BP{k}_ -> BP{k} [17:22] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] emptywords (n=emptywor@79.118.166.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:23] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [17:24] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Conflict_80, likely there's some mess with wx [17:24] configure:5063: error: Unable to locate a suitable configuration of wxWidgets [17:24] SuN (n=SuN@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Answerable only with: "Sigh" [17:25] Conflict_80: Did you install wxgtk from slackbuilds.org? [17:25] yes [17:25] then you have a screwed you system [17:25] Conflict_80, why is it in /usr/local ? [17:25] s/you/up/ [17:25] hmm [17:25] remove all traces of wx* [17:25] and reinstall it [17:25] I have no answer to those questions ;) Ask the slackbuild, i didn't do it [17:26] I promise the slackbuild put nothing into /usr/local [17:26] no It did not put it in /usr/local [17:26] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [17:27] Conflict_80, "wxWidgets 2.5.x and 2.6.x are NOT supported!" [17:27] ahaha [17:27] :D [17:28] hmm [17:28] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:28] remove wxGTK wxPython wxX11 if you have them. [17:28] you know [17:28] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [17:29] no, removepkg did not take anything from /usr/local so.... [17:29] maybe i put it there previously ;) [17:29] wxPython will work for 90% of the stuff out there [17:29] wxconfig --version [17:29] how do i get rid of it [17:29] and wrong window there ;) [17:30] wrong command too o.O [17:30] i used wxwidgets just once when i wanted to build audacity (audio editor) my question is can more than one version of wxwidgets co-exist on the same system? [17:30] no, not really [17:30] hmm seems like Twitter has a API problem maybe [17:31] you may be able to get away with it if you use all the same version [17:31] hmm, i asked because when i had audacty installed i found another wxwidgets based app that required a different version of wxwidgets so i never built it, i dont even rememer what app it was [17:32] josemanuel (n=josemanu@85.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [17:33] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:33] it made me think wxwidgets is an odd-egg [17:34] wxPython has most everything you need on linux. [17:35] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] wxpython a replacement or substitute for wxwidgets? [17:35] Pig_Pen, Conflict_80 ... audacity beta will compile with "wxWidgets-2.8.5" [17:35] Pig_Pen, install the whole package :P [17:35] yeh, for some reason i have 2.4.2 installed...in /usr/local...trying to undo that atm [17:35] needed it for *stupid* xchm [17:36] wxWidgets is fairly big, so you can compile just subsets of is. like the wxGTK part or the wxX11 part. [17:36] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:36] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:36] a lot of programs are goign away from wxWidgets since it's ugly among other things [17:36] audacity is cool app, i am no serious audio editor, but i did like looking at music file with it, chopped some junk out of a few music files, other than that i did not know what to do with it [17:37] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [17:37] smica (n=smica@h129-60.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:37] XGizzmo, better install it wxWidgets ;) [17:38] kitche: yeah QT has most of the advantages of wxWidgets and looks nicer also. [17:38] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [17:39] all the kde apps are leaving qt-3.3.X behind :/ [17:40] kde3 is dead - move on ffs :> [17:40] i guess someday i will have to say goodbye to kde-3.x & qt-3.x [17:40] kitche, XGizzmo http://rafb.net/p/330S1i74.html [17:40] probably kde 4.2 :) [17:41] Linux will have to drag me kicking & screaming to KDE-4.x [17:41] well I know VLC left wxWidgets behind because it just got hard to maintain the code [17:41] kde4 won't be ok before next summer [17:41] it still is a mess [17:41] kde 4.2 is out this month, and is awesome [17:41] kde4 is great for home use [17:42] many many many useless stuff [17:42] even 4.1.3 [17:42] for production it's xfce [17:42] :) [17:42] :) [17:42] yeah, i remember when kde-2.x was happening, i liked it, then kde-3.x first hit, the transistion was not too bad, not as bad as 4.x but there was a few bumps in the road [17:42] kde 4.1.x seems okay, I have not had major problem with it. I just dont like it. [17:42] k3b being incomplete is pretty embarassing :) [17:43] Indeed [17:43] people dont' realize that kde3 was actually a continuation of kde2 [17:43] The developer should hide in shame [17:43] for me, kde without k3b is a deal breaker [17:43] kde4 is the only desktop on which the user scrolls over 4 sub-menus before he can find the file manager [17:43] :D [17:43] that's why the transition was so easy back then. it could have just as easily been kde 2.(n+1) [17:43] luis__ (n=luis@host39.190-137-64.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:43] yeah i mailed the k3b maintainer and he told me qt4 port is in progress, but it's been so for a while... [17:44] several great third party kde apps, k3b, ktorrent, konversation [17:44] ktorrent is ported to kde4 [17:44] i have the latest qt.x build [17:44] qt-3.x [17:45] Action: alienBOB checked in KDE 4.1.87... One click opens the KDE menu, 2nd click starts the filemanager which is right there in "favourites" ... [17:45] so, i don't really know whether this is right, but I DL'd the source for my wrong version of improperly installed wxGTK, ran the make uninstall, and now doing wxGTK from slackbuild again... hope that works [17:45] you can install k3b qt4 though the svn/cvs I believe [17:45] alienBOB: it's the same in 4.1 :) [17:45] kitche: yes, but it doesn't work [17:45] I have that k3b running but did not dare burn a DVD with it yet because rworkman said it failed [17:45] alienBOB, that's not the default menu you have there :) for sure [17:45] i am thinking of trying freebsd-7.1 any gotchas or caveats? i have slack on sda5 & 6 and i can make sda1 & 3 available [17:46] mohaa: yes the default KDE4 menu, and stop trolling [17:46] Pig_Pen: For me, the 7.1 installer corrupts the screen under a VM [17:46] Pig_Pen: otherwise i'd be working with it already [17:46] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:46] portsnap among other things are failing hard with FreeBSD 7.1 [17:46] i will install it natively [17:46] mohaa: yes, with the stock menu. both default and "classic" [17:46] vileli8ves_ (n=darrel@nv-69-34-98-205.dyn.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] i do not plan to do anything serious with freebsd, just install it and learn it better [17:47] A noble goal Pig_Pen [17:48] let's do a flashmob today... everyone mails the k3b developer requesting the kde4 port :) just don't tell him you're all from the same channel :) [17:49] thats not a flashmob [17:49] thats spamming [17:49] thrice`, alienBOB . on default kde4 menu I had this "menu .. > other tools > Dolphin" [17:49] i tried it before, on cdrom, the installer sucked, switching back & forth between three cdroms sucked, other than the installer it run decent, not great, and i dont know bsd nearly as good as i know Linux so the learning curve is going to have a good curve in it [17:49] mohaa: are you on the lancelot menu or something ? [17:49] byye [17:49] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009109065.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:50] it should be definitely under "favorites" [17:50] :/ [17:50] :) WIN, audacity building fine now, thanks for noticing my mistake [17:50] slackytude, meant no offence [17:51] slava_dp, none taken. guess Im not in my best mood tonight [17:51] slava_dp, stick with KDE3 [17:51] mohaa, nope, it's only kde4 or xfce [17:52] kde3 is way too old and looks plain outdated [17:52] slava_dp, ok . ever tried xCDroast ? [17:52] no matter how stable it is [17:53] i use xfburn under xfce [17:53] I use xfce4/gnome [17:53] heck xfce is pretty outdated slava_dp [17:53] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [17:53] anyone can help me with skype? i have sound but i cant talk with my mic. [17:54] looks over stability sheesh [17:54] alsa strikes back [17:54] am i the only one that still uses mkisofs / cdrecord? >.> [17:54] luis__, unmute the mic [17:54] i did [17:54] but i still cant talk [17:55] have you rebooted since? [17:55] yes [17:55] mlangdn (n=michael@host-209-214-174-48.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] then unmute the mic again? [17:55] luis__, plug the mic into the correct socket :) [17:55] lol [17:55] talk louder ^-^ [17:55] ahaha [17:56] luis__, unmute the mic and save the settings ("alsactl store" or something like that) [17:56] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:59] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [17:59] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@88.214.172.47) joined ##slackware. [17:59] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@88.214.172.47) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:59] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@88.214.172.47) joined ##slackware. [18:00] i did alsactl store [18:01] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:01] is not working [18:02] luis__, try playing with mic boost [18:02] luis__, in alsamixer [18:03] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [18:03] slava_dp :i did that [18:03] but i got nothing [18:03] weird [18:03] luis__: it's not a bug - it's a security feature :) [18:04] i dont had this problem in slack 12.1 [18:04] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left ##slackware. [18:04] security feature? [18:04] what do you mean ? [18:04] I was taking a cheap shot at skype's less than stelalr security [18:05] s/stelalr/stellar/ [18:06] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:20] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) joined ##slackware. [18:20] nope [18:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [18:20] and I can't resize the window it's in ... [18:21] NyteOwl, security ? [18:21] kitche, i just use vnc, less problems IMHO [18:21] hope theres a key combo for it [18:22] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] vnc and qemu are incomparable [18:22] edman007: how will vnc deal with qemu lol [18:22] The qemu window size is determined by what the OS inside decides to use in terms of geometry [18:22] alienBOB, negative... `-vga vnc` [18:23] edman007: yeah could do that but don't have a vnc client [18:23] edman007: that is only to get the display in a vncviewer instead of a SDL window [18:23] The resolution wioll not change a bit [18:23] yea, but SDL hates me [18:23] kitche: ctrl-alt-f will let it go to fullscreen. But a window resize is not possible [18:23] Well not me edman007 [18:24] alienBOB: well the window for qemu is smaller then the resolution that's why I asked [18:24] kitche, if you can't get it to hit a diff res try changing the vid driver [18:24] and make sure the guest supports it [18:24] edman007: you could try my qemu-gtk package - a nice GTK gui instead of a SDL window or a vncviewer [18:24] `-vga vmware` should do everything [18:25] I m just installing windows xp 5 gb image right now so that I can mess with some stuff [18:25] alienBOB, i like vnc because i can easily kill the gui as well as get copy/paste working with no drivers [18:26] but copy/paste only works one way without the drivers :) [18:29] lotec_ (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. 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[18:40] macavity, 1) coffee sucks 2) i have had waaayyy too much caffeine today [18:40] good night to you all, fellow slackers. have a nice day/night/whatever :) [18:40] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [18:40] i still can't drink straight, and i haven't had caffeine for 4 hours [18:41] ....no, longer [18:41] hello slava_dp [18:41] Action: Camarade_Tux takes macavity's coffee since he has homework for tomorrow and did nothing during two weeks [18:41] Action: macavity pours luis__ a cup of Kenya Soft Mountain Roast [18:41] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@88.214.172.47) left irc: "Saindo" [18:41] Action: macavity points his Ingram at Camarade_Tux [18:41] gief backz! [18:41] macavity, anyways, you want some of this rockstar energy drink stuff i have? [18:41] no thanks [18:41] i try to stay away from the chemistry industry [18:42] is that "chemical industry"? [18:42] that stuff is nasty I can't believe they have not made a good flavor since all of them taste like cough medicine [18:42] or would that imply that it is the industry itself that is made with chemistry? [18:42] says product of DOW chemical [18:42] lol [18:43] btw, how many of you knew the mkdirheir command? [18:43] kitche, i got one that is 50% real juice...at least thats what it says [18:43] *mkdirhier [18:43] is that a german version of mkdir? does it make beer or something? [18:43] mkdir -p [18:44] exactemon [18:44] it comes with imake apparently :P [18:44] macavity: yes it's part of imake [18:44] macavity, well for my work I was actually reading stuff about Colombia, not Morocco ;) [18:44] mkdirhier ~ [18:44] Action: edman007 looks in ~ [18:44] i see no beer :( [18:45] bash: mkdirbeer: command not found [18:45] Action: edman007 reads its man page [18:45] that command was written by someone who would rather code than read a man page [18:45] manpage doesn't exist here well it does just can't get to it lol [18:46] edman007: the -p switch to mkdir is a later POSIX ammendment [18:46] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] greetings and salutations [18:47] macavity, ahh...still better to just code it in at that point instead of make your own, no? [18:48] edman007: uhm, bsd-mkdir, gnu-mkdir, hpux-mkdir etc etc.. X11 has to compile and install clean on all of them, so i guess thats why they dristributed it as part of the build tools [18:48] Action: edman007 kicks the standard guys [18:48] but today it is not a problem, since pretty much every mkdir behaves [18:49] oh well.. we have only had two revisions of the POSIX so far [18:49] it will get good in time [18:49] i just SO hope they will make streams mandatory... i find it SO weird that linux *still* does not support them [18:50] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:50] asynchronious I/O makes a lot of things easier for programmers [18:50] *especially* networking [18:50] Action: lotec_ is installing vista in vmware [18:50] heck linux just got full support of ipv6 just recently [18:50] lotec_: shame on you [18:50] Action: edman007 gives lotec_ some falcon gloves [18:50] i just want to try it. its in vmware thought on slack so not really windows :D [18:51] Nick change: lotec_ -> lotec [18:51] lotec_: yes it is.. no matter what you do to keep it in the closet, it will still just be filthy ol' windows... just in a closet [18:51] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [18:51] macavity: lol does it matter that i did not as they say pay for it? [18:52] propietary software makes baby jesus cry ;-) [18:52] Action: kitche is installing windows xp in qemu so he can play malware hunting [18:52] lol [18:52] kitche: lol [18:52] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.135.130) joined ##slackware. [18:52] kitche, that game sucks, trust me, i've played it before [18:52] lotec: in the grand scheme of things, no it doesnt really matter if you paid for it or not [18:53] You know Vista isn't worthless. I still have it in a partition on my laptop, and running periodically shows me how fast Linux is [18:53] well windows 7 will be out later this year so that tells you how much Microsoft knows Vista failed [18:53] Bugz_: i would say the hard disk space could have been used for something better :P [18:54] this is the worse install ever still unpacking files [18:54] Bugz_: like a huge collection of old MAME ROMs :P [18:54] macavity: true, but it did come in handy once at a Holiday Inn Express that refused to let me authenticate through Linux [18:54] O_O [18:55] Bugz_ that is what vmware is for [18:55] i hope you send them a nasty-gram [18:55] windows has its uses and places it belongs [18:55] just as with most any OS [18:55] uses == games; belongs in == game cafés :P [18:55] that is a personal opinion, nothing more [18:55] or 99% of corporations [18:55] yea that is the crazy thing about my work. I am installing linux firewall/phone/gateway boxes but they place we install these for requires us to use xp [18:56] windows will be in corps for a long time to come. [18:56] one good reason i am not going to get into pro IT ever [18:56] and schools, and SOHO [18:57] i dont know about schools [18:57] i do [18:57] schools used to use Mac [18:57] the IT solutions ive seen so far is OS agnostic [18:57] until windows 98/2000 came around [18:57] andarius: i am working on government contracts. there the worse [18:57] it was mac, now most US schools are windows [18:58] lotec: gov will be win for ever at the rate they are moving [18:58] problem is the crap they require us to run to log into the network. [18:58] amazing [18:59] Action: andarius was an IMO/IASO for 3 years :( [18:59] What's funny, we retooled to new XP machines about a year ago, and then the new McAfee anti-spyware anti-virus, then hard disk encryption, and these things run now like the old PCs, :) [19:00] such is the big gear life [19:00] STFU (n=linuxfs@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] when will slack get 2.6.28 [19:01] tomorrow [19:01] really? [19:01] yup [19:01] really really [19:02] STFU: slackware will get a semi-recent kernel upgrade for 13.0, and not a single day before [19:02] that or when Pat decides to put it in and release it or you build your own. take your pick for the best option [19:02] it will take 2 hours to compile [19:02] STFU: if you want rolling releases with automagic kernel updates, Arch Linux is worth considering [19:02] Action: Camarade_Tux thought there could be a 12.3 [19:02] on my celeron m 353 [19:02] 2 hours? what are you on ? [19:03] well, sucks to be you :P [19:03] STFU, mine compile ... nevermind ;p [19:03] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) joined ##slackware. [19:03] STFU: then disable some of the device driver modules that you know you dont need [19:03] STFU: like for instance some of the 70+ NIC drivers... [19:04] it will still take at least 40 minutes [19:04] STFU: and if you dont know what driver your own NIC needs, then you shouldnt be compiling your own kernels anyway..... [19:04] i used to have an x2 until the emachine power supply gave up and decided to destroy everything in it =( [19:04] btw, is there a particular reason why you need .28? [19:05] ext4 [19:05] i am on a netbook [19:05] then i would reccomend jfs [19:05] ext4 id not really a big improvement over ext3 [19:05] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq238.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:05] it's like the ext2 ext3 upgrade [19:05] lot lover CPU overhead, and nearly as fast [19:06] cuz my cpu? [19:08] no not "cuz your spu"... because jfs in general is computationally lighter than ext4 [19:08] *cpu [19:09] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [19:12] bbl [19:12] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [19:13] you all are a bunch of admin types. anyone want to help me out with a relatively straightforward apache config problem? #apache has fallen silent [19:14] just ask [19:14] I have a protected directory, with an unprotected subdir. It allows public access to the unprotected directory, but first it asks for the credentials for the protected parent directory, and then ignores them. [19:14] was typing, sorry. [19:15] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] Nick change: anrxc -> aic [19:15] oh..ok hehe [19:15] http://rafb.net/p/yXpsSo89.html config is here [19:16] anyone know of a site or a way not involving a website to send an mp3 attachment on a text message to a cell phone? [19:16] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f74ce6c.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [19:17] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [19:17] wow, talk about off topics :| [19:17] well it did install quicker then xp did. [19:17] hehe lil bit [19:18] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:19] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:20] hiptobecubic: so what is your problem? [19:20] The public subdir is not public? [19:21] alienBOB, well it is. But first, apache asks for the credentials of the dir above it. and then when you fail that, because you don't know them because you're just some random guy, it lets you in anyway [19:21] i'd rather not have the fake credential check if possible [19:21] hey any one from UK here with CB radios ? [19:21] i'm being summoned. i'll be back shortly [19:24] jebus where are these questions coming from tonight? [19:24] first we get web site for cell phones. now we get Uk with DB radios [19:24] erm DB=UK [19:24] Here's an edited jescis.net.zone http://pastebin.ca/1300158; Tell me what you think. Now with added mail A record. Question is will it work? [19:24] Uk with uk radios lotec ? [19:25] hey guys, I'm having a problem with my horse and buggy.. think you're up to it, lotec? [19:25] kitche: i know i know [19:25] raela: my witches burning stake broke, anyone have an extra they could bring over to south america for me? [19:26] sherique (n=se@ppp-69-155-234-217.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:31] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [19:35] no samba security fix for 12.1? [19:35] nooper: yep there is. [19:36] nooper: where did you look ? [19:36] thrice`, lotec: http://slackware.com/security/viewer.php?l=slackware-security&y=2009&m=slackware-security.379830 [19:36] nooper: ./configure && make && make install [19:36] Stx changed the topic? wow barely see him around lol [19:36] lotec: i meant package release, like all the other security fixes [19:36] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] nooper: it could be specific to the 3.2.x series [19:37] ah [19:37] yeah thats probably it [19:38] it doesn't mention it in the CVE, but it's probably the case [19:39] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: "leaving" [19:41] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [19:42] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [19:43] hello [19:44] anyone know where i can find out the differences between cvs and svn? or anyone here who knows? [19:44] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:44] w00t [19:45] ezrafree: http://www.pushok.com/soft_svn_vscvs.php [19:45] http://www.szabgab.com/subversion_vs_xyz.html [19:45] that looks like a google result if i've ever seen one [19:45] oh i just found this: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/apa.html [19:45] echo cvs | rev | tr c n [19:45] thanks BP{k} [19:45] from what i can tell so far, svn is the way to go [19:46] rob0, diff -u cvs svn? [19:46] ezrafree: snv was created to rectify some of the annoyances of cvs.. but pretty much failed, as both make branch merging unreasanbly hard. git and mercurial has gotten it right, as they track content rather than file change [19:46] hmm really macavity [19:46] *unresonably [19:46] snv? [19:46] *svn [19:46] it's a new type of snork [19:47] whatever that means [19:47] is there enough support to go with something like git or mercurial though [19:47] anybody know how to make gcc always compile using std=c99? [19:47] instead of always having to do -std=c99 [19:47] i'm looking to commit to svn through eclipse for instance [19:47] ezrafree: git is what is used for the linux kernel... it is mature and robust [19:48] yeah i'b [19:48] hmm nice [19:48] limac: you DONT want to do that [19:48] that's git for "legit" [19:48] i've seen git used more than mercurial [19:48] hehe [19:48] and it's easier to type [19:48] no, that is git for "stupid git!" when it annoys you :P [19:49] macavity: why not? the c89 std is really very old and many things aren't supported! [19:49] limac: the only way to accomplish that is to edit gcc's spec file.. and forcing c99 will make lots of things fail in compilation [19:50] nordle (n=nordle@87.113.92.202.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Nick change: STFU -> sts [19:50] oh..darn, so that's the only way, heh. [19:50] vileli8ves_ (n=darrel@nv-69-34-98-205.dyn.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "vileli8ves was eaten by a grue" [19:50] Can someone tell me the syntax for manually specifiying an includes directory? Trying to compile from source kaffeine and it refuses to see cdda_paranoia.h which is in /usr/includes/cdda [19:51] you can make an alias lcc='gcc -std=c99' [19:51] anyone want a used nokia ip330 for say 30 bucks shipped? [19:51] then when you call lcc you dont have to type as much :P [19:51] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [19:51] nordle: -I /usr/include/cdda i belive [19:52] macavity: yea, I'd prefer being lazy anytime. [19:52] nordle: its either -i or -I [19:52] nordle: it IS -I [19:52] it is macavity [19:52] it is -macavity [19:53] rob0: hehe, gcc -macavity :P [19:54] -macavity is depricated, please use -pedantic [19:54] oh darn, big words! [19:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:54] Action: limac opens the dictionary [19:55] mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory arguments to short options as well [19:55] i love that sentence :P [19:55] macavity: Cheers! I was going to start messing with the #include bits.... a slippery slope.... [19:55] --do-what? [19:56] nordle: the manpage of gcc is very well organized... [19:56] Nick change: sts -> Stonecold [19:56] nordle: you could do #include "cdda/file.h" [19:56] oh geez, wonder how long LFS is gonna take... :S [19:57] macavity: But, unfortuantely, I am not. would not have even thought to look there......yes that dumb. [19:57] if it's your code... [19:58] nordle: man gcc, then press h and read the "SEARCHING" section [19:58] Nick change: Stonecold -> HulkHogan [19:58] kitche: it says so (:. [19:58] mmm crap.... looks like Slackware's version of cdparanoia is too new for svn kaffeine. Blimey, didn't see that, Slackware _too new_ :) [19:58] if i run a program [19:58] and $? is 141 [19:58] what does that mean? [19:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:58] means the program returned 14 [19:58] *141 [19:59] or maybe $=5*28.2 [19:59] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-251-123.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] It means you should consult the documentation for that program and see what exit code 141 is. [19:59] well I wrote the program, and there's no way in hell it can possibly have happened [19:59] http://rafb.net/p/cIz36t83.html [19:59] man no one wants a nokia ip330 to play with? [19:59] because it occurs between those lines ;_; [19:59] lotec: you giving it away? [19:59] kamaji: cpp? [20:00] limac: yeah [20:00] I've also got try/catch wrapped around everything in main. no dice [20:00] kamaji: that dosnt help much. [20:00] lotec: if so send it on over [20:00] kamaji: I don't get your question. [20:00] Stx: tell me about it. [20:00] andarius: you paying shipping? [20:00] how much is shipping? [20:01] limac: ok, basically: is it possible for a program to just randomly terminate [20:01] andarius: i have no idea :D 34654 is my zip [20:01] kamaji: atleast let us see the declarations (:. [20:01] kamaji: yes. [20:01] userlimit is an int, it's in a class extending vector, and addConnections is a bool [20:01] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] kamaji: if something goes terribly wrong (very dangerouns memory management), then yes, but regularly no. [20:02] isn't it supposed to "say something" ? [20:02] ill never learn to read C++ [20:02] damn.. it keeps striking me as the ugliest hacked up language in the world :P [20:02] kamaji: say something as in? [20:02] kamaji: it does; it says 141. you should debug your software with gdb [20:02] Stx: it doesn't say 141, that's the exit code [20:02] it goes straight back to shell [20:03] macavity: yeah, that's why I switched over to C, C++ has too many stuff really not needed for rabotics ;) [20:03] kamaji: and the exit code is "what it says" upon exisint (:. [20:03] *robotics [20:03] *exiting. [20:03] Stx: I meant in terms of writing to stdout [20:03] limac: i told you to start with C, didnt I? [20:03] like when you get a double free or whatever [20:03] lotec: is it complete and working? [20:03] kamaji: did you tell it to output something? [20:04] Stx: I don't understand [20:04] Action: limac struggles to say yes [20:04] seems to be you should add some cout/printf's in there. [20:04] Stx: I have loads [20:04] Stx: it seems to be terminating randomly [20:04] Stx: in some cases, halfway through a cout [20:04] so run it through gdb [20:04] find out what function causes the termination. [20:04] andarius: i installed smoothwall on it. so the drives is wiped. besides that yeppers it works [20:04] kamaji: is it possible for you to paste the whole program? [20:04] then sure, i can pay shipping [20:05] ups ground should be like 11$ [20:05] limac: it's many files [20:05] luis__ (n=luis@host39.190-137-64.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] kamaji: so, to clarify, when you do: ./prog, it does what? [20:06] limac: it outputs a crapload of debug, and at some random point it just stops [20:06] limac: sometimes halfway through doing output [20:06] its *impossible* for us to help without seeing the whole source. [20:06] kamaji: so is that the output or the compiler messages? [20:06] output [20:06] yeah, we kinda need to see the cpp file actually. [20:06] this is a question for ##c++ anyway. [20:06] I've asked [20:06] no dice [20:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:08] kamaji: man bash [20:08] The return value of a simple command is its exit status, or 128+n if the command is terminated by signal n. [20:08] man 7 signal [20:08] seems like SIGPIPE [20:08] next! [20:08] oh, that's probably 'cause I was piping output into a file [20:08] just run it through GDB for christ sake. [20:09] what's GDB? [20:09] i have just found a reason why manpages should not be gzipped.... [20:09] the GNU Debugger. [20:09] Action: dive dive falls off is perch [20:09] man -K pattern runs DOG slow :P [20:09] ah. [20:09] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] andarius: let me find a box for it. might be a day or so ok? [20:09] haha [20:09] repeating myself [20:09] lzo might be more appropriate [20:09] been trying to get rid of it locally but the people down here have no idea what anything is. [20:09] lotec: just let me know when and what you need [20:10] andarius: will do [20:10] ah well, g2g, later people ;) [20:10] kamaji: is there any Qt code in the wrapper code for this? [20:11] limac: sleep tight young padawan :-) [20:11] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [20:11] macavity: I haven't used Qt at all [20:11] ok [20:13] ooh, even without the pipe it's doing a SIGPIPE [20:13] I think that is enough of a clue (I hope) [20:13] vileli8ves_ (n=darrel@nv-69-34-98-205.dyn.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] toytoy_ (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Nick change: toytoy_ -> toytoy [20:13] kamaji: ive just searched all the manpages, and none of the relevant ones have the string "141" in them [20:13] cheersall [20:13] macavity, sladegen> The return value of a simple command is its exit status, or 128+n if the command is terminated by signal n [20:14] so it's signal 13 or SIGPIPE [20:14] you can try grepping the header files for 141 to see if its actually a meaningfull exit value [20:14] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.135.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:14] Action: sladegen slaps macavity over the head. [20:14] dive: where did you find that info? [20:14] read up to sladegen [20:15] man 7 signal [20:15] oh damnit, if only i'd used gdb I would've seen the SIGPIPE [20:15] ah [20:15] you were so busy grepping man pages you lost track of time [20:15] i was bussy with man -K [20:15] can I get gdb to show me a 'history' of functions where my program crashed? [20:16] perhaps using google would be faster. [20:16] kamaji: bt [20:16] kamaji, theres also strace [20:16] dive: doesn't seem to do anything, but bt works [20:16] cheers macavity [20:16] can be more useful to read a log [20:16] kamaji: strace appname [20:16] bt? [20:17] backtrace [20:17] ah [20:17] oh, strace on the command line [20:17] woahhhh [20:17] yeah strace with a log is useful [20:17] don't do that over ssh :| [20:17] hehehe :P [20:17] try aaxine via ssh ;-) [20:17] thank god for ctrl+c [20:17] macavity: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm no [20:17] Nick change: FriedBob_ -> FriedBob [20:17] ssh 10.0.0.2 && cd /usr/src/linux/ && make randomconfig [20:18] ah commoooon.. what's the worst thing that can happen :P [20:18] i have a windows server that keeps blue screening because of memory issues [20:18] dive: doesnt that just wait for ssh to exit? [20:18] macavity: I dunno, maybe you let the magic smoke out of your computer? [20:18] game over [20:18] Nick change: HulkHogan -> StoneColdSteveAu [20:19] nullboy: memtest86? [20:19] yep [20:19] uh [20:19] Nick change: StoneColdSteveAu -> HulkHogan [20:19] macavity aaxine rules ;) [20:19] nullboy: windows is awsome huh? [20:19] can someone help me find the latest firmware for a WRT54GS? [20:19] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:19] atha: ascii pron kinda sucks.. no pun intended [20:19] macavity, you would have to use expect of course, what I typed is impossible [20:19] nullboy, hardware is awesome [20:20] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:20] this is one of those older P4 setups with promise raid, from 2004 [20:20] Gargantua: official or openwrt/ddwrt? [20:20] To be honest... it just has the stupid DCC SEND bug. [20:20] Firmware Version: v1.50.3 [20:20] I just wanna get rid of that [20:20] what wrt54gs version? [20:21] Not sure [20:21] nullboy: please shine you knowledgable light on all of us :P [20:21] macavity: the only people that like ascii pr0n are bookworms and librarians :D [20:21] there are multiple versions of the the same model and per model changes are big in some cases [20:21] Total blackout happens [20:21] Gargantua: that are the first 4 of the unit's serial? [20:21] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:23] Gargantua: find the serial number, then consult: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#WRT54GS [20:23] Has anyone here used Slax distribution? [20:23] kleanchap: no, and we do not support it [20:23] crap [20:23] I don't have physical access to the unit [20:23] ? [20:24] Gargantua: log into it and see then [20:24] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [20:24] Well all I can find out from that is that it uses Firmware Version: v1.50.3 [20:24] oh wait [20:24] can't you just get the latest fw for that model number? [20:25] hmm [20:25] yeh that's it [20:25] dunno linksys thogh [20:25] (2009-01-05 17:21:32) nullboy: there are multiple versions of the the same model and per model changes are big in some cases [20:25] Firmware Version: v1.50.3, Dec. 12, 2005 [20:25] Gargantua: why not use tomato? or one of the other hacked firmware versions? [20:26] Hey man, anything would work as long as it doesn't disconnect me everytime someone says DCC SEND [20:26] heh [20:26] Gargantua: one way or another you will need to figure out the hardware version as even the linksys site works off hardware version [20:26] There's probably some irc client hack for it or something [20:26] and it doesn't appear to be working on freenode. [20:27] Gargantua: http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/dd-wrt/downloads.html [20:28] dude he still needs ot figure out his version [20:28] Meh I'll wait till I can find the hardware version, I can't risk bricking it. [20:29] Thanks guys. [20:29] anyone got recommendations for a decent print server or router with built in print server? [20:29] the one i've got now forgets theres a printer attached until i cycle power [20:30] WOW... WRT54GL has dropped remarkably in price here in Denmark :-) [20:30] the WRT54GL is great. [20:30] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:31] er yeah 01:25 < Gargantua> IFirmware Version:Iv1.50.3, Dec. 12, 2005 [20:31] thats quite old [20:31] All because they released it under the GPL [20:32] Anyone know what's causing this anyways? [20:32] not so great if it kicks you off for dcc [20:32] afaik the Broadcom in it still uses some propietary crap [20:34] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] Gargantua: update the firmware for your router. [20:40] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] Have to find out the hardware version first [20:40] it should say in the webinterface. [20:41] Man [20:41] read what macavity said [20:41] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:42] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:44] chasmo (n=chas@69.4.149.188) joined ##slackware. [20:45] How can you READ what someone SAYS? ;) [20:46] speech bubbles [20:46] Dragon Speaking Naturally or comparable app. [20:46] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] so you are not saying anything when you write? [20:48] Read my fingers? [20:48] Nick change: HulkHogan -> n1ptt [20:48] Nick change: n1ptt -> HulkHogan [20:48] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:49] try to commune with your fingers. [20:50] will someone try this and see if they get asked for auth credentials? http://johntyree.ath.cx/public [20:50] not in here! [20:50] nordle (n=nordle@87.113.92.202.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:50] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:51] BP{k}, eh? [20:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:51] hiptobecubic: i didnt [20:51] macavity, great. thanks. [20:51] macavity, and the parent directory.. you did, i hope? [20:51] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] whtn i click Parent Directory i do [20:51] and when you fail, it doesn't just feel bad and let you in anyway? [20:52] when i click Hi i get an empty text file that opens externally [20:52] nope [20:52] macavity, great. [20:52] yeah i just did touch hi [20:52] hiptobecubic: that was to sladegen about comunning with someones fingers ;) [20:52] so that i'd have a file to play with [20:52] BP{k}, ah yes. of course [20:54] cr0w_ (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] i did this to tux [20:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cena-STFU-07_2.jpg [20:54] The STFU [20:54] Nick change: cr0w_ -> cr0w [20:55] you held him down and cried with him? [20:55] you must be an emotional fella [20:55] no i got him in a submission [20:55] HulkHogan, the biggest mystery is: why did someone resize the JPEG? [20:55] uh [20:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_holds#STS [20:55] hi guys [20:55] my first time in an irc channel [20:55] :] [20:56] how you sex up your tux is between you and the penguin :P [20:56] no its a wrestiling move [20:56] sure it was .... :o [20:56] anyone know how to determin ethe native resolution on a laptop running 12.0? [20:56] read the manufacturer specs [20:57] than i finshed tux with the FU [20:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CenaF-U.jpg [20:57] SnoRider (n=woot@wsip-70-166-117-195.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] andarius: yah but it seems that that information must be known by my system in order to make it usable. As with all things linux, it's in there somewhere it's just a matter of knowing where to look. [20:58] If you don't know, just say so or remain silent. [20:59] benny [20:59] Look up that specific laptop on the web on the manufacturers website, it should tell you there. [21:00] cr0w, abandon all hope, ye who enter here. [21:00] bennymack: i chose not to remain silent [21:00] bennymack: windows needs monitor .inf files too... no such thing in linux, though, but your brave mind editing xorg.conf file. [21:00] and my method is the best way to get the data you seek [21:00] Exactly. [21:01] So if you don't like the answer you get when you ask a question, deal with it and google harder before you ask again. [21:01] and no, the system does not have to know that data to be usable [21:01] is there a way to check my bandwidth? someone is downloading from my http server and i want to know what the speed is [21:01] hiptobecubic: ask them. [21:01] :) [21:01] useruseruser (n=opera@c211-30-198-135.thorn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:01] lol @ rworkman [21:01] :] [21:01] lol [21:01] QoS limitig? [21:02] rworkman, :D [21:02] hiptobecubic: do a substraction and division on two outputs of ifconfig. [21:02] rworkman, sure... once i figure out which of the 6 billion people they are and how to contact them? [21:02] kick them off, they will say hey i'm only dling at 50k/s or whatever [21:02] hiptobecubic: better hurry up and get started. ;-) [21:02] there's no iostat for network connections? [21:02] HulkHogan (n=linuxfs@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] iptraf might help [21:03] rworkman, marvelous [21:03] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [21:03] i love it. there's always some program that exactly what i want. [21:03] whoah [21:03] does it always give the IPs out o.o? [21:04] not always [21:04] hmm. I found that it's a seiko 1680x1050 w/o going to "the manufacturer specs" [21:05] Action: sladegen pats bennymack on the back. [21:05] the OpenWRT guys seems to be bloody fscking professional :-) [21:06] lol [21:06] I don't care that I had to find it on my own. I just care that you all seem so self assured that you were right. I'm not a newb. I idle in here w/o saying much, sure. But don't be insulted if I don't swallow the BS you feed me. [21:06] hiptobecubic: that is part of the UNIX philosophy... each program should only do one thing, but do that thing well [21:07] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:07] benny, relax, people are just trying to help you..They're giving their own individual input on the subject. [21:07] macavity, i dare you to say that in #emacs ;P [21:08] but you are right [21:08] emacs is not a program. [21:08] dive: emacs does just one thing: everything ;-) [21:08] lol [21:08] but frankly, emacs is just a lisp environment [21:08] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-253983.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:09] and a good one at that [21:09] bennymack: explain to me how my answer was BS please ... [21:09] the editor program that you can run in emacs is kinda funny if you ask me [21:09] andarius, even he himself doesn't know. [21:10] sounds to me like some on lacks manners to a major degree and has issues when he or she does not hear what they want [21:11] 21:01 < andarius> and no, the system does not have to know that data to be usable [21:11] how is that BS? [21:11] it's the Z generation. 2012 will deal with them. [21:11] i can fire up a system and blicly set a vesa resolution and be content [21:11] I don't recall doing anything particularly rude. I'm simply straightforward. I could be more passive agressive but I haven't the time. [21:11] s/blicly/blindly [21:12] saying some one is spewing BS is pretty rude [21:13] better say how you found out what you needed so we can correct our BS... [21:13] saying I'm going to call the whaaambulance might be rude... Thank you sladegen :) [21:13] I just ran nvidia-settings. YMMV if you're not running NV I suppose. [21:13] edf (n=HulkHoga@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] TTFN [21:14] i just consulted /var/log/Xorg.1.log to find out what my monitor reports [21:14] we thought you ran that in the first place. [21:15] Nick change: edf -> NTFS [21:15] monitors also report EDID data. but what do i know, i only spew BS :( [21:15] btw, do ati drivers have similar feature? [21:16] supergear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:17] sladegen: this is a feature of xorg itself.. the server queries the monitor for its capabilities and prints that in the log [21:17] indeed thats the first place I would look [21:17] macavity: i know, i'm asking about gui tool. [21:18] for the BS averse... [21:18] i know very little about those.. and when i do its usually the generic version i use [21:18] lol [21:18] ftp://ftp.tyumen.ru/pub/X/config/get-edid.html <-- cli tool for EDID data [21:19] kinfocenter repports it too [21:19] nille_ (i=1000@c-ee63e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:20] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:20] andarius: I like to just query the monitor directly - plug it into the back of my head. But I don't like to leave it for long, cause then people can see what I think. [21:20] hi hi hi [21:20] thank you for sparing us such a vision ;) [21:20] andarius: If you only knew. [21:20] weeeeh FriedBob is giving out free pron :P [21:21] macavity: Might be too much for even you though. [21:21] oh.. thats pretty hardcore man...... hey? why is the HORSE getting tied up?!? [21:21] :P [21:21] For the cougar. [21:22] Slackware sucks thats the bottom line [21:23] Then go use shitbuntu [21:23] straterra: What, no "Yo momma" joke? [21:23] ubuntu sucks too thats the bottom line too [21:23] don't feed the trolls [21:23] Windows XP is god thats the bottom line because i said so [21:24] at least irc doesn't suck eh? [21:24] No, tht too. [21:24] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) joined ##slackware. [21:24] Abd that's the bottom line [21:24] oh yeah [21:24] didn't take the bait ;( [21:24] Linux sucks thats the bottom line Because NTFS says so [21:24] k [21:25] 'you hear that? [21:25] someone feels lonely. [21:25] Too bad NTFS blows chunks. [21:25] cpunches? [21:25] Slackware sucks thats the bottom line [21:25] And I don't mean the FS. It's not half bad. [21:25] ext3 is half assed filesystem [21:26] it seems trolls lack class and style these days :( [21:26] macavity: I got my AC adaptor today. [21:26] so cr0w, how you finding irc? ;) [21:26] hopefully he found it in a term using irssi :) [21:27] Hmm... weird [21:27] (or she or it) [21:27] rworkman, alienBOB: OP please? [21:27] macavity: Thinking about stripping down the wires in the old one and making something out of it. ;) [21:27] lol. ntfs sucks dick [21:27] How come grep bin/play /var/log/packages/* doesn't return anything [21:27] What package does /usr/bin/play belong to? [21:28] alkos333: try scripts dir [21:28] trolls these days lack any sort of wit or incisiveness [21:28] ur mom [21:28] with play only [21:28] k [21:28] Thanks [21:28] alkos333: it returns sox here [21:29] cd /var/log/packages/; grep bin/play * [21:29] sox-12.18.1-i486-1:usr/bin/play [21:29] cat /var/log/packages/* | grep -B 10 bin/play [21:29] Nick change: NTFS -> WikiPediaAdmin [21:29] apropos play ? [21:29] Nick change: WikiPediaAdmin -> NTFS [21:30] atha: he wanted to know which package it game with [21:30] I see there's a new troll in town [21:30] hm [21:30] it games with many, but came with but one [21:30] *came [21:30] NTFS: bugger off [21:30] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [21:32] FriedBob: copper against the skin would probably not be a good idea [21:32] tangibledaydream (n=daydream@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] macavity: Sure it would, when I attach it to a violet wand... [21:33] ah.. i though you meant a flogger [21:33] *thought [21:33] macavity: That is what I implied. [21:33] Action: macavity has a typing disability today [too] [21:33] And what I meant, and it would be ooked to the VW [21:33] s/oo/hoo/ [21:33] sladegen: Still nothing.. [21:33] sladegen: well with play only it looks like play is a symlink.. [21:33] let's run ls -l on it [21:34] Channel flood from alkos333 -- kicking [21:34] Yes, a symlink to sox [21:34] alkos333 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [21:34] Action: sladegen chuckles. [21:34] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-97-62.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] alkos333: then that has chenged for 12.2, as it is a binary on 12.1 [21:35] How come there isn't a channel for truecrypt. [21:35] more IPs, isn't that dangerous? [21:35] macavity: :) [21:35] Don't you mean more IP addresses? [21:36] macavity: Kinda like the ballchain one available from the stockroom, but copper and such instead. ;) ANd I am done now. FOr now. [21:36] alkos333: it still should tell you what script file it was in and therefore what package it came in... [21:36] i just had to go buy a box of damn floppy disks [21:36] anyone know why my john the ripper --status worked the first time, but trying to run "john --status" again just outputs the same info as the first time? [21:36] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.1-final for the Nintendo GameCube today!" [21:37] sladegen: What exactly should tell me that? [21:37] nullboy: where did you find a box of floppies? [21:37] ccfreak, an IP adress can simply be called an IP and most people would understand it...and it's "adresses", please. [21:37] nullboy: lol.. if you had been living in my neighbourhood you could just have dropped by for approx 5 pounds of them for free :P [21:37] andarius: macavity Sorry, didn't notice your messages above [21:37] nullboy: under the clause that you took them all, that is :P [21:37] andarius: a local drug store had them [21:37] alkos333: files in /var/log/scripts dir are named after packages. [21:37] lol [21:37] actually, it's addresses ;P [21:37] Office Depot and Staples still carry them [21:38] Anyone ever do business with 911forpcs.com or censuspc.com ? [21:38] how lame is it to have to buy floppies in order to install windows [21:38] LOL [21:38] o0 [21:38] slipstream the installer [21:38] nm, apparently it only updates every 10mins or so [21:38] hell, target carries em.. [21:38] xpisobuilder [21:38] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left irc: "Leaving." [21:38] as it was i had to use windows in a VM to get this far [21:39] cr0w, err...wrong. It's addresses. [21:39] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [21:39] sladegen: Well I know that :) [21:39] are you sure? XD then again i'm 16 o.O [21:40] Yes, I'm very sure. [21:40] absolutely [21:40] Are you positive? [21:40] whoah, i was wrong [21:40] sorry! [21:40] I've got to replace a bestec atx-1956d power supply and I'd like to go a bit higher than the 200w replacements I've found. Any suggestions? [21:40] Only fools are positive. [21:40] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:40] NTFS kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Too bad you don't breathe as well as you troll - you'd waste a lot less oxygen that way. [21:40] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-147-50.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [21:40] LOL [21:40] Bravo! [21:40] rworkman: that was your hallmark :P [21:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-147-50.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:41] Slackboy is slacking. Took him forever. [21:41] A Windows troll. That's a new one. [21:41] 76-127-209-26 <-- woohoo! more.. -_- [21:41] cr0w, type /whois cr0w [21:41] oh poop. [21:41] or better still /dns cr0w if you have a dns script [21:42] it's my first irc session, sorry [21:42] heh, hi cody [21:42] don't worry [21:42] Shreveport? [21:42] lol [21:42] having fun with my ip? [21:42] not yet [21:42] working on it [21:42] ew [21:42] not cool [21:42] o.O [21:42] If you see any weird processes on your machine, it's perfectly normal.. ;) [21:42] oh sure [21:43] cr0w: the more shrewd irc clients will let you install a script that converts the hostmark to its adress automatically [21:43] so what is this system founded on, trust? [21:43] it's the same for most people cr0w, irc can be pretty transparent like that [21:43] sladegen: weird.. I get nothing when I do grep bin/play /var/log/scripts/* [21:43] or /var/log/packages/* [21:43] Hostmark? [21:43] Really? [21:43] cr0w: one reason to not ever run IRC as root [21:43] alkos333: grep play /var/log/scripts/* | grep bin [21:44] I actually did the first time XD. [21:44] never joined a channel like now though. Thanks for the info :] [21:44] cr0w: what irc client are you using? [21:44] supergear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] alkos333: one could write a script to extract exact info from those scripts. i did once but it's not perfect if something changes. [21:44] i'm sad [21:45] ah, ircII [21:45] he's using: ircII EPIC4-2.8 Linux 2.6.24.5-smp [21:45] heh [21:45] cr0w: you should try irssi [21:45] hyperion-1.0.2b(382). grisham.freenode.net iM dncrTS/v4? [21:45] i'm sad by the future of slackware [21:45] sladegen: Yes, I know. I'm a huge fan of bash scripts, etc :) [21:45] I'm just experimenting for now. [21:45] irssi is probably the best console irc client [21:45] gzamora was that aimed at little old me? [21:45] gzamora: what's sad about the future of slackware? [21:46] mm [21:46] cr0w: irssi is "universially" considerd the most polite IRC client.. it wont get you in trouble on even the strictest networks [21:46] i haven't even met anybody else where I live running Linux, period. [21:46] macavity: what makes an IRC client "polite"? [21:46] i like slackware....but others distros are more "friendly" [21:46] no idiotic quit messages like you find with BX? [21:46] ew, try gentoo then [21:46] o.O [21:46] gzamora: no kidding? [21:46] tangibledaydream: no auto-rejoin, no auto-away, no offensive exit comments [21:47] tangibledaydream: etc, etc [21:47] I tried BitchX first.. [21:47] macavity: Unless you want them [21:47] :S [21:47] cr0w: Gentoo...lol [21:47] gzamora: why does that make you sad? [21:47] Yes Omega? I'm 16 FFS [21:47] tangibledaydream: it even asks you "are you sure you want to paste N lines?" when you try to do more than 3.. helfull against accedental mouse clicks [21:48] danc3: because he needs hand holding I guess [21:48] Anyone ever do business with 911forpcs.com or censuspc.com ? [21:48] gzamora, what do mean by 'friendly' exactly? user-friendly, or friendly users? [21:48] gzamora: there is always LFS when patrick leaves us... [21:48] FriedBob: most likely correct [21:48] user-friendly [21:48] Case in point. [21:49] we don't need no steenking user-friendliness around here! Grrrrr....... [21:49] hah [21:49] Action: dive throws a brick at danc3 *bonk* [21:49] Slackware *IS* user friendly...it's just not "windows like". Don't confuse the two [21:49] gzamora: the Ubuntnoob channel is over there --------------------------> [21:49] I've tought myself everything up till now, sorry if I was happy I'd met some other Linux users :[ [21:49] i like low-level software men.... [21:49] Slackware is user freindly.. its just a little pickey about its freinds... it will only befreind people who can and will read ;-) [21:50] and who are not stooooopid [21:50] macavity: well said [21:50] what you know about the future of slackware....package manager....more software [21:50] ? [21:50] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:50] gzamora are you speaking to me? [21:50] gzamora: hopefully the package management won't change in the future [21:50] excellent [21:51] and there's plenty of software out there already [21:51] more than I can ever use [21:51] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-97-62.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Peace out ;-)"). [21:51] yep [21:51] slackware is fine the way it is [21:51] exists a idea to make 686 tgz? [21:52] Action: danc3 groans [21:52] no need. [21:52] probably not [21:52] dive: i was happy to get on the 2.6 kernel though [21:52] slackware is optimized for 686 [21:52] gzamora: I make them all the time [21:52] o.O [21:52] I don't think Slackware has 686 packages. [21:53] I tried to get my 686 into a .tgz, but couldn't get it to scan right. [21:53] I think it only has about 200. [21:53] my Slackware does [21:53] gzamora: what thrice` said. packages will run even on 486 but are optimized for 686. [21:53] nice [21:53] tangibledaydream, yeah there's nothing wrong with new things, but if the habit was to add a dozen shiny new X apps every upgrade I would soon get fed up, along with most of us I guess [21:53] Oh, 875 packages. [21:53] A lot more than I though. [21:53] FriedBob: you just needed to use the max compression setting [21:54] -march=i486 -mtune=i686 makes packages that are ~95% as fast as -march=i686, however, the gcc support for purly i486 instructions is *exceptionally* mature and stable [21:54] dive: true. i live for the command line [21:54] those ~5% is well spent on stability and improved prefetch instructions [21:54] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:54] s/is/are/ [21:54] tangibledaydream, yeah me too [21:55] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-97-62.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] got almost everything i need here - don't need X except for a few stubborn websites and spreadsheet proggy [21:56] most of the websites i frequent work just fine with lynx, so i'm good [21:56] I don't use X at all. [21:56] i cannot reccomend a yakuake-like terminal emulater enough... [21:56] tangibledaydream, have you tried elinks? [21:56] I have my Mac and Winbox if I need a GUI [21:56] dive: is that emacs-based? [21:56] it is the single most usefull thing to cli users who also need x apps from time to time [21:57] no - the guy who makes it is actually a vim fan and made an ex-mode option :) [21:57] ah, good. not an emacs fan [21:57] Action: tangibledaydream does not want to start a holy war [21:57] :) [21:57] but the best thing about elinks is persistant cookies - so you don't need keep logging in everytime you restart it [21:58] that is nice [21:58] afaik it's the only text browser that does that [21:58] personally i have yet to get freinds with emacs.. *however* the few emacs-power-users ive seen in action as left me awestruck [21:58] and it's very customisable [21:58] how is the js handling? [21:58] macavity: I love emacs. Not quite a power user yet on it though [21:58] why slackpkg can use only one repo? [21:58] no bad - you can compile it against spidermonkey [21:58] ah [21:59] gzamora: because slackware does not have "repos" [21:59] i'm thinking of making a slackbuild for it one of these days... [21:59] don't think it's on sbo [21:59] gzamora: there is the slackware packages.. and then there is all the rest of the cruft that we dont trust [21:59] current [21:59] testing [21:59] gzamora: however, sbopkg is nice for slackbuilds.org packages [21:59] tangibledaydream, but even without spidermonkey the js performs fine [22:00] Trust what Pat V makes, what's on SBO, and then what rob0, alienBOB and rworkman make. And also maybe the ones you make yourself. (If I left anoyne here out, sorry) [22:00] Urchlay (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] macavity, but slackbuilds are not the best option to use openoffice, pe. [22:01] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:02] this is the + of tgz... [22:02] gzamora: huh? [22:02] But the end result of slackbuilds are also tarballs! [22:02] gzamora: the slackbuild of OOo is just a repackage of the binaries [22:03] Anyone ever do business with 911forpcs.com or censuspc.com ? [22:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] gzamora: slackware is not and will never be a community distro. if you want lots of binary packages use debian. [22:03] gzamora: compiling OOo yourself is a daunting task :P [22:03] hahah [22:03] Tr4sH (i=0@201.39.12.73) joined ##slackware. [22:03] gzamora: firefox is also just a repackage of the official binaries [22:03] macavity: I never did get that to compile. [22:04] FriedBob: me neither [22:04] i wonder what the future of OOo will be if things get bad for sun financially.. [22:04] FriedBob: however, once we switch to java7 i bet things will improve [22:04] I wonder more about Java than I do about OOo. [22:04] tangibledaydream (n=daydream@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] yeah true [22:04] dive: i dont think they will.. actually i think its good times for Sun right now [22:05] SnoRider- (n=woot@wsip-70-166-117-195.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] I hope so - not good to see good people going down like some of the big businesses have lately [22:05] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] how i can write in /sys/ ??, [22:06] can i * [22:06] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:06] echo "something" > /sys/whereever [22:07] mmm [22:07] don't work in .... [22:07] dive: to many conservative corps who is looking to trim the budget, Sun is a good option.. the word that you hear around the campfire is that "with sun you save 10% on the hardware", and it might be healthy to open the door to the Free Software world with an intermediate step of OpenSolaris :P [22:07] Linux slackware 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 AMD Athlon(TM) XP1800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [22:07] Depends on what you're trying to write to. [22:07] gzamora, what exactly are you trying to? make a new /sys file? [22:07] i don't think it's that simple. [22:07] make a file to configure flags in a kernel module [22:07] huh? [22:08] you do that in /etc/modprobe.d/ [22:08] usually you do that in /etc/modprobe.d/whatever [22:08] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:08] /sys/class/video4linux/video0/ [22:08] and when you modprobe a module it will use the options you set for it [22:09] well you can set values with echo [22:09] and read with cat [22:09] cat /sys/class/video4linux/video0/xxx [22:10] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] and echo "someoption" > /sys/class/video4linux/video0/xxx [22:10] it's strange... [22:10] echo "1" > lala [22:10] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [22:10] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-147-50.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [22:10] lala: No such file or directory [22:11] How do I mount a harddrive and make everything readable/writable by users in the group "work"? [22:11] touch lala first then [22:11] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:11] cannot touch `lala': No such file or directory :P [22:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] Sounds like a personal problem them [22:11] you trying to do that in /sys/? [22:11] s/them/then [22:11] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-97-62.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Peace out ;-)" [22:11] the same... [22:12] sysfs is the problem maybe [22:12] Nick change: Tr4sH -> tr4sh [22:12] you can't just make files in /sys [22:12] exactly [22:12] if it isn't there then there's a problem with the module that is meant to create it [22:12] or can you see it with ls? [22:13] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 0 2009-01-05 16:21 sys/ [22:13] d = directoty....it's fine.. [22:13] erm what about the file that you want to echo to? [22:13] r* [22:14] yes /sys is a dir [22:14] it's a blank file :P [22:15] kernel version maybe? [22:15] which file are you trying to write to? [22:15] a new file [22:16] you can't make new files in /sys/ [22:16] ... [22:16] afaik [22:16] and edit? [22:16] SnoRider (n=woot@wsip-70-166-117-195.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:17] no usually you 'cat' a file to see options/settings etc [22:17] and then 'echo' in new ones [22:17] Its more of a kernel interface than a filesystem [22:18] It's an interface to the kernel and some of its modules in filesystem form to make it easy to do that. [22:18] I believe it's called sysfs. [22:18] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.245) joined ##slackware. [22:18] it is [22:19] so gzamora you gonna tell us why you want to make a new file in /sys/? [22:19] ok [22:19] if you let us know what you are trying to acheive [22:20] my webcam image is flipped vertically, exists in the v4l2 interface somr functions to flip it, reading in google...i found a solution: put a vlip file in /sys/xx/video0/ and write a 1 there... [22:20] vflip* [22:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:21] is the driver built as a module, or built-in the kernel? [22:21] echo 1 > /sys/xx/video0/vflip [22:21] module dive [22:21] WangXJ (n=WangXJ@221.239.137.243) joined ##slackware. [22:21] and there's no vflip file there i take it? [22:22] no [22:22] ccfreak2k, don't work [22:22] vflip: No such file or director [22:22] :P [22:22] try modinfo and see if there what options you have [22:22] baradude (n=baradude@58.137.93.218) joined ##slackware. [22:22] ummm [22:22] let's see [22:22] as root [22:22] d/what/ [22:23] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [22:23] d/there/ even [22:23] tried 'find /sys/class/video4linux/ -name "*vflip*"'? [22:24] WangXJ (n=WangXJ@221.239.137.243) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [22:26] can i change the options of a kernel module (webcam) in execution time? [22:26] using v4l2 interface [22:26] rmmod it... and reload, perhaps. [22:27] you can put options in /etc/modprobe.d/xxx for specific options to use when it's loaded, the do rmmod , modprobe [22:27] whats the name of the module? [22:28] gspca_pac7311 [22:28] pac7311 video chipset [22:28] so you would put something like 'options gspa_pac7311 fvlip=1' or whatever the correct option is [22:29] in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ [22:29] jeje [22:29] call it gspca_pac7311 so you know what it is [22:29] i try that yersterday [22:29] :) [22:29] Try saying THAT five times fast. [22:30] jhah [22:30] did you unload/reload the module after putting the option in? [22:30] yep... [22:30] mm [22:30] the strange is ... [22:30] gzamora: /join #v4l [22:31] best luck there. [22:31] if it still doesn't work. [22:31] the original question is write in /sys, the strange is...in ubuntu (reading google) you can write there! [22:31] :P [22:32] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-147-50.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:32] dunno then [22:34] gzamora, different module versions I bet. [22:35] cr0w (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [22:36] In Xfce, the Terminal program lags during maximize; is there any fix to this? [22:36] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [22:37] jmoncayo (n=Administ@190.11.6.208) joined ##slackware. [22:37] hey guys, anyone here knows how to leave bitchx connected as psybnc? [22:37] redtricycle: use aterm/rxvt instead of xfterm4 ;0 [22:37] ;)* [22:37] xfterm4 is similar to gnome-terminal, a bit bloated [22:37] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:38] foldingstock, exists a terminal like rxvt (unicode) with multitabs? [22:38] urxvt for unicode [22:38] no tabs though [22:38] mrxvt don't have unicode [22:38] redtricycle: you might try adding this little section to the end of /etc/X11/xorg.conf: [22:38] urxvt / rxvt-unicode (same package) [22:38] Section "Extensions" [22:38] Option "Composite" "Disable" [22:38] EndSection [22:38] gzamora: you can always try writing little C proggie... Documentation/filesystems/sysfs.txt [22:39] nice [22:39] in your linux sources. [22:39] redtricycle: you get that? [22:39] thanks for all guys...sleep time :) [22:40] necr0mancer (n=rob@c-76-98-108-129.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:41] gzamora (n=kiaja@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:45] useruseruser (n=opera@c211-30-198-135.thorn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left ##slackware. [22:45] jmoncayo (n=Administ@190.11.6.208) left irc: "leaving" [22:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] danc3: okay, I'll do that [22:52] redtricycle: you will then have to restart X (logout and back in). [22:55] tr4sh (i=0@201.39.12.73) left irc: "Leaving" [22:55] damn slackare 12.2 takes a while to install into Vbox [22:58] this multi interface to USB adapter has already paid for itself [22:58] everyone of you need one, trust me [22:58] you might not know it yet, but you need it [22:58] "multi interface to USB adapter"? [22:59] it accepts SATA, PATA 3.5" and PATA 2.5" and connects via usb [23:00] nullboy: link? [23:00] i got it from fry's retail store but i think i can find one online [23:00] one sec [23:00] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:00] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-58.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] external hd enclosure? [23:00] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [23:00] not even the enclosure [23:00] Ah yes, we have those at work. [23:01] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] it's just the adapter + supplemental power supply for when it's needed [23:01] I have one I don't have to put the cover on, either. :) [23:01] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [23:02] eSATA >> USB :) [23:02] this is it http://ebuyerhq.stores.yahoo.net/idusb203in1d.html [23:03] lee555J5: yes but this thing is designed for people dealing with multiple interfaces on site [23:03] i just used it today to image a disk using my laptop [23:03] Yes, it's nice when you need to do work on multiple hard drives with different interfaces. [23:03] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) left irc: Client Quit [23:04] nullboy: no Linux support ;) [23:04] ... [23:04] it is USB mass storage [23:04] I have a "sound too quiet" problem. My alsamixer is all maxxed out, and my rearpanel audio is very soft. The headphone jack (on the front panel) plays at a normal volume, however [23:04] I think it's related to how I have the switches, perhaps I"m sending all my audio to surround? [23:04] I've tried the following switches: [23:05] CHannel Mode: 2ch, Downmix 6->2, and off [23:05] I've disabled IEC958 [23:05] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] redtricycle, did you try fiddling with the volume dial on your speakers? :) [23:05] ccfreak2k: yes [23:05] ccfreak2k: I've also maxed that out [23:05] ccfreak2k: headphone jack is fine! Which makes me think that the headphone jack skipping over some filter [23:06] that's limiting my sound [23:06] Googled around, and all the answers say "use your mixer and max the sound" [23:06] I've also tried, (with alsaconf) the legacy drivers [23:06] With no avail [23:07] If you can, see what happens when you switch speaker configurations (stereo, mono, i.e. anything not surround). [23:07] ccfreak2k: I've also tried that [23:07] also, I've tried Exchanging front/surround [23:07] spread front to surrount/center [23:07] nullboy: you missed the wink; and I agree, USB is more available than eSATA. [23:08] a headphone jack will typically filter a bit more than line jacks. [23:08] andarius: I'm confusing headphone jack/line jack [23:09] I would also expect the headphone/speaker port to be amplified, where as line ports are line level (no amp). [23:09] now you are confusing me [23:09] okay [23:09] are there more settings? [23:09] that I dont see? [23:09] line io.out are not amplified as ccfreak2k noted. headphones and speaker jacks are amplified accordingly [23:10] s/io.out/in\/out/ [23:10] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:10] which port is giving the low audio? [23:10] I see, well, then something is muting my sound [23:10] With port?..the stereo port connected to the onboard sound [23:10] With slackware 12.1, this worked fine [23:11] I recently upgraded to slack12.2 [23:11] so this is an upgrade and not a clean install [23:11] Now we want to know what you call the "stereo port": the blue jack or the green jack? :) [23:11] andarius: I've recently cleanly installed to slackware 12.2 [23:11] ccfreak2k: green jack [23:11] redtricycle: may be a stupid question: are your speakers plugged into the correct port? 2.0 and 2.1 speakers typically use the light green [23:11] lee555J5: no worries, I've plugged it into the light green jack [23:12] Actually blue is usually line in anyway, so it was probably a dumb question. [23:12] did changing jacks chenge the output ? [23:12] change even [23:12] if I plug it into the frontpanel, the audio plays normally [23:12] at a normal volume [23:12] front panel? you have dual ports? [23:12] redtricycle: had to ask. sometimes it's the simple things [23:12] yes, front panel [23:12] johnjaycol (n=johnJay@66.251.77.226) joined ##slackware. [23:12] I have a port in the back, and a mic/audio port in the front [23:13] most audio systems will not support two ports for the same line. i would check to make sure there is no routing in the driver module [23:13] My mobo is an Asus P4P800 [23:13] redtricycle: I've had motherboards that were either front or back, not both (set with jumpers) [23:13] lee555J5: but not both, do you m ean one would be OFF and the other one [23:13] lee555J5: or one plays a normal volume, and the other doesnt? [23:13] yes [23:13] if you had fine audio with 12.1 but not 12.2 using the same hardware i would check the alsa lists for news on the audio related to the more recent kernel version [23:14] andarius: Okay, one change I did was install the front panel audio [23:14] Perhaps, it's as lee555J5 says [23:14] Let me google for mobo problems with audio [23:14] that's the way mine is [23:14] it well could be, as i noted many will not support both [23:14] I was just thrown off [23:14] try removing the front panel audio as a simple test [23:14] because when I heard "not support both" I assumed one would be OFF [23:14] Okay, I'll have to come back [23:14] going to turn off my computer [23:14] hm. Maybe it works like headphones [23:15] see you guys in a bit [23:15] no, but it will change the resistance and line levels [23:15] like, audio normally plays out the back, until you plug something in the front [23:15] which may trigger a switch on the mobo [23:15] yah [23:15] johnjaycol (n=johnJay@66.251.77.226) left irc: Client Quit [23:15] i have an asus panel that does that :| [23:16] which may be really dumb, just a hardware switch, nothing you can see or control in software [23:16] those are actualy better for you. save you from screwing up hardware [23:16] just a lack of documentation gets anoying [23:16] better until the 3 cent switching jack breaks... [23:17] Urchlay: no, my mb manual says only front or back. I don't remember if simply connecting the front audio to the mb header disables the rear or if it's a BIOS or jumper setting. [23:17] open it up and do ninja [23:17] most use more modern solid state switches that work based on resistance being present on the front IO [23:17] those sneaky bastards [23:17] Zodiark (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [23:18] Action: andarius prefers a jumper to those but either is fine [23:18] probably just as well. The fewer moving parts the better... [23:18] solid state switches dont really move ;) [23:18] transistor ftw :) [23:18] right. But old-style switching jacks do move [23:18] andarius: saw that :) [23:19] Urchlay: yes, but thankfully i have not seen many boards using those [23:19] which was fine in the 1970s, stuff like that would be made to high quality standards, but in this century it's all about saving a buck (or 1/10 of a penny) [23:19] very true :( [23:20] no idea whether motherboards were ever made that use those :) [23:20] i have seen a few using mechanical switching 3.5 mm jacks. older ones [23:20] as noted though very few [23:20] I've got some generic crappy PC speakers that use the mechanical jack [23:21] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:21] Action: andarius drinks all the beer :o [23:21] but not only do they sound awful as speakers... the headphone audio also sounds awful [23:21] lol [23:21] (like, you'd be way better off plugging phones straight into mobo) [23:22] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [23:22] ed [23:22] currently trying to decide whether it's worth trying to use spdif output from my board [23:22] ed and eddy [23:23] that would heavily depend on the external processor me thinks [23:23] anyone use spdif with alsa much? last I tried it (5+ years ago, with OSS), there was no way to control the volume with spdif [23:23] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:24] and there will not be now [23:24] (well, obviously, the volume control on the receiver/amp/whatever would work. I mean in software...) [23:24] works just fine here with a sb live [23:24] it is a line level and is supposed to be fixed [23:25] I've read mplayer can adjust the volume, but I guess that involves decoding AC3 or PCM or whatever from the movie/DVD, change volume/whatever with DSP algorithm, then re-encode to AC3/PCM/whatever [23:26] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq238.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:26] but if I were playing a game or using xmms/whatever, will those even play audio over spdif? or do apps need special support for it (like mplayer)? [23:27] i had a madia machine that would send all sound over the digital out. though i used a cli switch for it. should be easy these days [23:28] so if you were playing a game, the in-game audio volume control did (a) nothing, (b) what it was supposed to, or (c) none of the above? [23:28] (or is it a dumb question, I play games on my media machine, but I guess a lot of people dont) [23:28] in game audio was converted for digital out [23:29] only certain sources are direct feed to it [23:29] automagically, or via some daemon or something? [23:29] dont recall. this was 3 years back [23:29] fair enough [23:29] depending on the card should be a simple switch [23:29] I personally would be happy with just analog, stereo, and 2 giant 3-way speakers [23:30] but this is sorta a group project (me and the guy I rent a room from), using my TV/PC and his receiver/speakers [23:30] johnjaycol (n=johnJay@66.251.77.226) joined ##slackware. [23:31] and he's the type that, if he has a 5.1 digital receiver, *has* to use it at its maximum potential [23:31] hi. can anyone tell me why fdisk reports no partitions found on a disk that I know has a partition? [23:31] wrong disk ? [23:31] fdisk -l [23:31] johnjaycol: how are you running fdisk? [23:31] You either A) selected the wrong disk, or B) there actually isn't a partition. [23:31] johnjaycol: because it's some other partitioning scheme besides PC BIOS style? [23:31] fdisk -l [23:31] Or what Urchlay said. FreeBSD uses a weird scheme. [23:31] I ran mmls first and did not understand the output [23:32] johnjaycol: pastebin us the output of dmesg and fdisk -l [23:32] so I ran fdisk and it says no partitions [23:32] fdisk -l /dev/sda1 [23:32] no [23:32] fdisk -l /dev/sda [23:32] johnjaycol: that's a partition [23:32] yeah [23:32] CF is tacky in general [23:32] bahh [23:32] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] johnjaycol: you just asked fdisk to list the partitions inside partition #1 [23:33] guys, the sound problem is fixed [23:33] johnjaycol: you run fdisk against a block device, not a partition on a block device [23:33] (of which there ain't going to be any, natch) [23:33] what was the cullprit ? [23:33] I had the HD Audio plug in instead of the AC97 [23:33] Whoa, ccfreak2k you're here too, cool [23:33] crap! [23:33] for the mobo [23:33] I've been killing myself over this for an hour. [23:33] lol [23:34] andarius, lee555J5, thanks for pointing me in the mobo direction [23:34] sunofabiatch. fdisk -l /dev/sda shows what I was expecting. [23:34] johnjaycol: cool [23:34] sorry guys. [23:34] redtricycle: yw [23:34] 10 lashings [23:34] lashes? [23:34] hmm [23:35] I thought I was messing up on mmls. [23:35] not used to this command line [23:35] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] not really a slack-specific question but... anyone notice huge performance difference between the kernel's ath5k driver and the madwifi ath_pci driver, for the same card? [23:36] just upgraded to slack 12.2, and the new kernel has a driver for my card that used to only work with madwifi... but it's *slow* [23:36] johnjaycol (n=johnJay@66.251.77.226) left ##slackware. [23:37] how can you test the speed? [23:37] nevermind [23:37] I dunno, I have RALink hardware instead. :) [23:37] well, I was trying to scp some files from my other machine [23:37] ugh, have a ralink upstairs [23:37] that thing's awful (or anyway the proprietary driver for it is) [23:38] Why do you use the proprietary driver? [23:39] cause the card's not supported by the free one [23:39] ath5k? [23:39] r0otSlinky (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] Gargantuaq (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:40] can't remember the model #'s or other details right now, I just remember the web page for the free driver saying "if you have this card, you have to run the proprietary driver" more or less [23:41] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net expired. [23:41] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:41] tank-man: yah. atheros wireless, specifically: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [23:41] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:41] i have used that kernel module "ath5k" with my eeepc and had it working [23:41] i havent tested speeds yet [23:41] works with either the stock kernel's ath5k driver, or with madwifi's ath_pci, but it's 3-4 times faster with madwifi, wondering if anyone knew a workaround [23:42] (like, a way to make the ath5k's performance not suck, so I can get rid of madwifi. Rather not run 3rd-party drivers if slack already has a driver...) [23:43] prioriety driver? you mean with ndsiwrapper? [23:43] nah [23:43] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [23:43] think the madwifi driver is "free but restricted" [23:44] the proprietary driver I was complaining about above is for the ralink card (in a different machine) [23:44] chasmo (n=chas@69.4.149.188) left irc: "Leaving" [23:45] anyway madwifi's atheros driver doesn't use ndiswrapper [23:45] SnoRider- (n=woot@wsip-70-166-117-195.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: [23:46] (if it did, I doubt it'd be anywhere near as stable & fast as it's been) [23:48] cr0w (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq238.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [23:49] hm. Looks like the in-kernel driver is based on the madwifi one, only with reverse-engineered firmware instead of the binary-only stuff madwifi uses [23:49] http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/About/ath5k [23:51] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:51] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [23:54] cr0w (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [23:57] Zodiark (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) left irc: "Leaving" [23:57] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:00] --- Tue Jan 6 2009