[00:00] is there any way i can still compile packages though? [00:00] export ARCH=x86_64 does not let ./configure complete [00:01] the SlackBuild script may not have been updated. which one is it? [00:01] faad2-2.7.1 [00:02] is the one i am having problems with now [00:02] Using SlackBuilds.org stuff on anything other than the release for which they were written and approved is unsupported. You are expected to be able to figure it out yourself. [00:02] also, i have the grub sources here, when i enter the directory and configure it manually, i get that same error [00:03] this doesnt only happen with slackbuilds though [00:03] why are you compiling grub and not using the one in /extra? [00:03] user8902 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-51-28.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:04] there isnt one in /extra off the 13 dvd [00:07] Maybe its not there because it wont build. [00:07] i dont think pat would release a versio of his distro that isnt able to build something as simple as grub... [00:08] my mistake, grub is only in 32 bit -current /extra [00:09] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.233) left irc: Dead socket [00:11] I'm not sure grub will build on x86_64; my memory says it wont [00:11] er, won't [00:13] it does, i can build it on my other 64 bit distro [00:13] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.233) joined ##slackware. [00:13] there may be some patch there i am overlooking though... [00:15] look at all the patches Arch Linux has to use on their 64 bit version: http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/grub/repos/core-x86_64/PKGBUILD?revision=23005&view=markup [00:15] judequinn (n=sardinem@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [00:16] i just looked, there is a patch for grub [00:17] I count 8 patches in their PKGBUILD [00:19] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:22] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:22] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:25] I have been trying to install grub2 [00:26] I am not sure which compatability libraries I need [00:26] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] I would recommend you try grub2 rather than grub1 [00:26] grub1 does not work on some newer systems [00:27] i just have grub config on a different partition, but i prefer it to be on my main install [00:27] one other question, src2pkg is running the setup everytime i use it, any idea why that might be happening? [00:27] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: "Leaving" [00:28] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-72-144-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:29] hi o/ [00:30] lo [00:32] nevermind, installed newer src2pkg and its woking correctly [00:32] usus12jari (n=sardinem@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:32] Emeaudroide (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-86-125.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:33] well thanks everyone, look forward to the next release of sbopkg...happy slacking 4th ;p [00:33] bot-net (n=void@173-10-121-181-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:33] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.233) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:34] Why is there no July 4th notice in the topic? Unacceptable. [00:34] f [00:34] dartmouth: don't be so USA-centric [00:34] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.233) joined ##slackware. [00:34] dartmouth: there was no alteration on July 1st, either. [00:34] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:34] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-86-125.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:34] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-86-125.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:35] dartmouth: hint: national holidays are not in topics, since folks are from different countries [00:35] It's a american distro maintained by an american, who's irc channel is maintained by americans. you're not a maintainer or an op, but you're also not american. [00:35] the maintainer is not from the USA, no. [00:36] dartmouth: I am appalled by that attitude. [00:37] Really? I thought he was from Fargo, ND or thereabouts. [00:38] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.62.64) joined ##slackware. [00:38] (Not meaning to take sides in the argument other than the data point, to which I don't know the definitive answer.) [00:39] there's no argument in matters of commons sense. [00:40] wait. Maybe we should set the topic for German national holidays, too. [00:41] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:42] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:42] Okay, I'll take a side. I agree with thumbs, that national holidays are not relevant to this channel. But I'm not an op either. [00:42] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.62.64) left irc: Client Quit [00:42] rob0: you agreed with me. After all those years. [00:42] that same could be said for any holiday [00:42] the same [00:42] XGizzmo_: exactly. [00:43] dartmouth / cpunches is still the same twat [00:43] right, unless the channel ops and/or Pat want the /topic to say something about it [00:43] When nationalism becomes irrelevant, so will you, thumbs. [00:44] nationalism was never relevant in this channel. [00:46] Well, then, I guess yours has actualized long before my realization of it. [00:46] This doesn't sound like Slackware talk. You are all out of order. [00:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:47] <--- goes back to sleep [00:47] oh wait, I forgot, I thought it was obvious that cpunches was disliked here [00:47] be careful or CygnusX1 will /bin/sort yer rear [00:47] complaining about july 4th hAHAHahaha [00:47] what a loser [00:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:47] jeev: heh [00:47] dartmouth, go mourn over sarah palin's resignation [00:47] hello, 1776 called and wants its powder kegs back [00:47] there are more important people in the world than americans. [00:47] she was a disgrace to the party [00:47] she did the best thing for her country [00:48] she left in shame/ [00:48] and she's irrelevant for 50% of the channel, too. [00:49] um ... 100% ... not relevant at all to the topic. [00:49] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:49] See! You KNEW I would be disagreeable again!! [00:49] rob0: you're like adaptr [00:50] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-86.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [00:51] eh; he's french. don't blame him. blame the one single mind he adapts all of his thoughts to be like. [00:52] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-151-101-42.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [00:52] dartmouth, how did you choose that nickname? [00:52] take a wild guess [00:53] you go to college there? [00:53] that would be surprising [00:56] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-86-125.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:56] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-72-144-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:57] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-86-125.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:57] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:01] Thom1 (n=Thom1@219.118.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [02:05] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.80.215) left irc: "leaving" [02:09] 'I'm the goddamn Batman'--Batman in a recent comic [02:09] and that was not all he said [02:10] 'What are you dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the Hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman.'--Batman in a recent comic. [02:10] (talking to Robin) [02:11] Ok. [02:11] it was by Frank Miller [02:11] he redid the old story [02:12] taloha (n=MagNet9@125.163.200.167) joined ##slackware. [02:12] how to make xhost become permanent? [02:15] dchmelik, All-Star Batman and Robin. [02:15] Yeah, it's a famous line. [02:16] yeah, though I have not read it [02:16] I just saw a picture of it [02:16] It's an interesting story... [02:16] They feel the need to make sure you know how old Dick Grayson is everything he's mentioned. [02:17] uuuuuuh... [02:20] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-151-101-42.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:20] taloha: could you elaborate a little on that? [02:23] i was set xhost local:users and after restart not permanent [02:23] moocowmoo (n=moo@cpe-66-8-167-49.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:24] taloha: try adding it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local [02:25] hey.. why am i missing Xsecurity(7) [02:25] anyone on 12.2 around? [02:26] macavity, i was do that but cant [02:26] you did that, but it didnt work? [02:27] xhost: unable to open display "" << this is error message [02:27] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:27] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Hello! [02:28] taloha: oh, that figures.. X is not up and running yet.. just a seccond [02:28] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:30] taloha: i see your problem... adding it to rc.6 wont help either :-/ [02:30] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [02:30] ok i will try :) [02:31] taloha (n=MagNet9@125.163.200.167) left ##slackware. [02:31] i said *won't* help [02:31] will not help [02:31] because neither of gdm/kdm/xdm returns [02:31] .. so the next line will never get read [02:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-088-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] damn.. how the hell does one do that?!? [02:33] suffing sht in xinitrc won't work either.. [02:35] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [02:36] sup macavity [02:36] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [02:37] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] hello gents [02:38] any word on the number of RC's? [02:38] i added myself to custom group called kqemu,but it seem even after chmod of /dev/kqemu to g+rw, it still says permission denyed [02:39] btw i have some dvd images in the .iso format, if i burn the images with k3b will they run normally in a dvd player/ [02:39] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:39] isn't there a dynamic group update? [02:40] and it seems only to work if if logout and do a relogin [02:42] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.94.251) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:42] taloha: if you hadnt split so fast, and if your english hadnt been to so bad that you went and did what i told you to not do, adding it to the top of /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession might have worked [02:44] ... or setting DisplayManager.accessFile [02:45] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:45] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:45] my friend (who uses windows... for the moment) just bought a radeon 4890 for a good price of $155 and is giving me is 8800GTX. i have a 9600GT and another friend with a7950GX2, should i keep the 8800GTX and give my friend the 9600GT or just give him the 8800GTX? [02:46] set DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 ? [02:46] my friend who i'd give the gfx card to runs games at 1680x1050 i run games at 1920x1080... so i think i may keep the 8800GTX for myself [02:47] give your friend the better card [02:48] Fenix-Dark: your should burn all three, and go invest in an ATI card, then download the git master of all the relevant stuff and start helping out :P [02:49] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] macavity, they both use windows [02:49] because they do mostly computer gaming [02:50] Fenix-Dark: it was a joke, laugh :P [02:50] macavity, i know heh [02:50] i just happen to hold a grudge against nvidia [02:51] practically speaking, i think it makes most sense to give my friend the 9600GT since he wouldn't notice a difference between that and the 8800GTX because of the relatively 'low' resolution [02:51] low res in the games he plays [02:52] which one makes the least noise? [02:53] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [02:54] 9600GT [02:54] its passively cooled [02:58] i just like how great linux is with gfx card upgrades, if the current software version supports it already, nothing needs to be done but the hardware card swap [02:58] same cannot be said for windows [02:59] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:59] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.252.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] macavity: do you have any idea about that permission problem [03:01] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:05] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:07] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:08] init[1], well for the "dynamic group update", i think you want sg/newgrp [03:09] edman007: so for every new group update i would have to use sd or newgrp ? [03:10] s/sd/sg/ [03:10] init[1], group is to user as sg is to su ;) [03:11] edman007: :) thank you [03:11] basically, newgrp will make the session that you run login into the group, which is just as good as a login, but its effective only for that session (so you need to do it to all open shells until you login for real) [03:12] technically they both log you into a group, and may require a password if you have that configured... [03:12] why is the it doesn't do it by itself [03:12] i mean if my admin add me to a group [03:14] init[1], when a process is created it inherits its privs from its creator, login is the only thing that reads privs from /etc/passwd|/etc/group, from that it creates a session with a set of privs, a fork() does not read those files and run auth stuff, so it can't check if you are in a group that needs a password [03:15] yea now that is the point :) got cha [03:15] but newgrp will log you into a group and add the privs to your session, but it only effects stuff fork()'d from that process [03:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:17] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [03:18] lmarks (n=lam@unaffiliated/lmarks) joined ##slackware. [03:19] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: No route to host [03:20] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:25] doe any one use qemu here/ [03:25] does^ [03:26] i do [03:26] I use qemu but from the KVM project [03:26] yup, i do too [03:26] qemu -localtime -net user -net nic -net socket,listen=:10001-m 256 -cdrom ./minix3_1_4.ide_R4220.iso -hda ./Minix-3.1.4r.img -boot c [03:26] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.3.93) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:26] this thing seems to give segmentation fault [03:26] space before -m? [03:26] only addition is -net socket,listen:10001 [03:27] and you forgot the space after it ;) [03:27] edman007: not that [03:27] it give the same thing [03:27] if you start it without the -net commands does it still segfault? [03:27] with thet socket thing it seems to work [03:27] Action: edman007 uses tun network stuff [03:28] antiwire: without the socket part it seem to work [03:28] -net socket,listen=:10001 [03:28] my sole purpose is to ssh to minix [03:28] what version of qemu for kvm is it? [03:28] 0.10.5 [03:29] qemu [03:29] you don't need the stock for that. you can just use usermode networking and forward a port [03:29] stock/socket [03:29] i am currius.. why would anyone want to play with minix?!? [03:29] he's curious and that's not the point [03:30] i mean, if one wants an interesting OS approach Darwin or Hurd is a lot more fun [03:30] macavity, some people are bi-curious [03:30] or KeyKOS [03:30] or Eros [03:30] macavity: well good question :) there seem it need some good subsystem USB [03:30] main purpose is devlopment [03:31] init[1]: to check if you code compiles under minix too? :P [03:31] macavity: no :P [03:32] init[1]: you can try this: fist use these options for the networking switches with qemu: -redir tcp:22000::22-net user -net nic [03:32] then fire up the guest and make sure it is listening for ssh on port 22 [03:32] then from the host ssh to port 22000 on 127.0.0.1 [03:33] i missed a space, -redir tcp:22000::22 -net user -net nic [03:34] yea cking it [03:34] so for your command try: qemu -localtime -redir tcp:22000::22 -net user -net nic -m 256 -cdrom ./minix3_1_4.ide_R4220.iso -hda ./Minix-3.1.4r.img -boot c [03:35] in this mode, pinging out from the guest is not always a reliable network test so even if ping doesn't seem to wrok outbound from the guest you might still be connected just fine. try a tcp ping tool instead for tests [03:36] goddamn.. the message from Patrick in xorg.conf must be close to a decade old :P [03:36] i cant remember when i used fbdev [03:36] antiwire: ssh -p 22000 root@blackhole seem take soo much time [03:37] did it connect? [03:37] antiwire: i did login [03:37] yes [03:37] but it took almost 2 mins [03:37] is it still lagged? [03:37] apparently minix is slow :P [03:37] after it logs in the speed is ok though? [03:38] yea its fine now , initial connection [03:38] It's probably a DNS resolution screw up that is timing out [03:38] antiwire: so you mean i should give 127..... [03:38] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.81.221) joined ##slackware. [03:38] _alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] minix... [03:38] edman007: you're famous http://slackadelic.com/2009/06/24/rip-rafb-netpaste/ [03:38] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:39] only if I get to run it on vintage hardware. Is there a version that works on a 286? [03:39] Urchlay: yea but its old [03:40] aceofspades19, oh yea... [03:40] i've always been famous though [03:40] init[1]: it can't be as bad as getting a browser and IRC client working on DOS [03:40] Urchlay: even irssi works .. [03:41] if you wany i will ping #slackware from minix [03:41] heh [03:41] want [03:42] init[1]: I'm secure in my "irc from old machines" level... I wrote one for the Atari 800 [03:42] aceofspades19, google can find 213k+ pages for my nick, and my nick is unuiqe, its all me [03:42] (IRC client I mean. Runs in under 32K of RAM on a 1.79MHz 8-bit CPU) [03:42] hmm [03:42] aceofspades19, actually...almost all me...i found one page long ago with some other guy using my nick on a myspace like site....but thats it [03:43] Urchlay: and how many buffer overflow attacks is it vunreble to? [03:43] damn.. that is not how to spell that word [03:43] init[1]: you can now connect samba shares on the host to the guest too [03:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:44] yea i read about that [03:44] anyhow, time to go to bed [03:44] l8r chan [03:44] edman007: you filed a php bug? [03:44] Action: edman007 tries to figure out how searching for my nick reveals this in the search results -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSwha_Ug7sk [03:44] macavity: it's a single-tasking OS with no memory protection. If you did exploit it (assuming you know enough 6502 asm to do it), you'd gain control of a machine that you wouldn't be able to do anything with [03:44] aceofspades19, a few [03:44] i watched that video...so its correct...but its not on the page, even their cached txt [03:44] Urchlay: oh, i would probably just want to crash it :P [03:45] Action: macavity wanders off [03:45] they must be accessing youtubes user data to index videos [03:45] edman007: you're also a lieutenant general on forums.devshed.com [03:45] macavity: it's probably harder than you think to crash. I'll hook it all up sometime soon & let you try :) [03:45] Urchlay: lol:) [03:45] aceofspades19, yea....i stopped posting there a few years back [03:46] php makes me shudder [03:46] aceofspades19, it gets me money....i'm getting away from it [03:46] although... I think maybe if you connect it to an IRC server with max nick length set to more than 30 characters, it will eat itself the first time someone with a 30+ char nick says anything :) [03:46] the php devs must be high [03:46] 90% of the time [03:47] there are some things that i have hit in PHP that are really really crazy.....most people complain about the type casting and such, as its not always intuitive, thats fine for me...its their backwards compatibility (that they are finally starting to get rid of) that kills me.... [03:48] I dislike they're choice of operators [03:48] their* [03:48] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:48] honestly . for string concentation? [03:49] what bugs me about PHP is that they'll have 37 different function that do stuff with arrays, half will be named array_something() and the other half won't have the array_ prefix, and there's no rhyme or reason to it [03:49] aceofspades19: why not? They stole^H^H^H^H^Hborrowed that from Perl [03:49] Urchlay: and perl is the most readable language [03:49] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:50] not to mention that you can change language features by editing a file [03:50] if they'd used + for string concatenation in perl and php, you'd be complaining about how it sometimes treats a string of digits as an integer [03:50] $a = "12345"; $b = "67890"; print $a . $b; # unambiguous: prints 1234567890 [03:51] if its in quotes, in most languages, its a string [03:51] they have sessions, basically you can store some stuff in variables and it tracks across a users session..but in the old days they just dumped the variables into the global namespace, so they had a mechanism to find variables that are in the session and pull them out of the global namespace, well later they moved them to the $_SESSION array, well for backwards compatibility the old method is supported with a config, but if you are good and [03:51] use only $_SESSION, but leave the compatibility on what will happen is it will save $_SESSION first and THEN search the global namespace for variables matching something in the $_SESSION array and replace it if found...which has the nice effect of $_SESSION['x'] actually conflicts with $x in the namespace [03:51] hmm...thats long :/ [03:51] yeah, but in both PHP and perl: $a = "123456"; ++a; print $a; # prints 1234567 [03:51] anyways, the . comes from perl [03:51] Urchlay: thats retarded [03:52] aceofspades19: or it's convenient. Depends how you look at it :) [03:52] (and there's a typo there, should have been ++$a, but you knew that...) [03:52] Urchlay: explicit is better then implicit [03:52] depends [03:52] aceofspades19, IMHO, . is easier to type....so i actually prefer it [03:53] now with OOP, i do see the problem, because its good for identify members of things, but PHP was started before the whole OOP movement [03:53] edman007: the OOP movement started in the 80s.... [03:53] if your goal is to throw together a quickie "I need this right frigging now" proof-of-concept or prototype, the perl/php way is maybe easier to deal with [03:53] Krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Urchlay: but to maintain it, its not that great ;) [03:54] aceofspades19: sure. I said prototype. The real implementation, you write in a real language, or at least rewrite in readable perl with "use strict;" and warnings enabled [03:55] anyone use btrfs? [03:55] Urchlay: but a lot of developers just use the prototype as the final implementation [03:55] Krux0: mmmm....butter [03:55] PHP I honestly don't get the point of because it's basically a poorly reimplemented perl, minus a lot of the nice things about perl, but with a lot of the warts that people hate about perl [03:56] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:56] its one of those things that worked for 2 weeks and now we're stuck with it [03:56] aceofspades19, IMHO, php is actually pretty good, as its one of the few languages that is very good with letting you do whatever in a single variable, now with OOP stuff, you can write a class name to a string, and access its non-existant members, that will actually trigger its source to get loaded is you wrote the proper function, and then there can be a method that intercepts the method name and does whatever based on it [03:56] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-86.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:57] aceofspades19, have you tried it? [03:57] Krux0: no I haven't but I've read a lot of the articles about it [03:57] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-86.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [03:57] aceofspades19: ...which is why I try to write all code I ever write in a maintainable way. If nothing else, I need to be able to maintain it myself, and the only way to do that is to avoid making it look like linenoise [03:57] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-86.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:58] but, eh, ++$a is just as readable as ++a (in C) to me [03:58] edman007: that sounds really complicated and something I would never use in real life [03:58] edman007: you mean PHP has finally implemented the Autoload stuff that perl had 10 years ago? Neat. :) [03:59] Urchlay: too bad most developer aren't like you [03:59] developers* [03:59] aceofspades19: one way in which they're unlike me is that they have jobs :( [04:00] Urchlay: at least you can write decent code [04:00] python > perl > php [04:00] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.254) joined ##slackware. [04:00] and PHP also has a fairly large standard library, which is nice :) [04:00] well, I try to anyway. As far as I'm concerned nothing I've ever done is "perfect", and only a small fraction of it is "great" even [04:01] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:01] edman007: python has a large standard library too :p [04:01] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Urchlay: its impossible to do anything perfectly [04:01] I really can't get into python, the whitespace-as-scope-delimiters thing feels completely weird to me (kind of like the Chienese language uses pitch to convey meaning: not better or worse than the way I'm used to, but completely bizarre to someone with my background) [04:01] the closer you get to perfect, the farther away you get from it [04:02] aceofspades19, yea, well...IMHO making white space matter just kills python [04:02] it makes python code very readable [04:02] but, yea, python is good too [04:02] because you actually have to have decent indentation [04:02] for some definition of readable... [04:02] Action: init[1] wonders if there is a scripting language like C or than for csh [04:03] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-162-165.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] eh, I already have decent indentation due to every editor I've used since Turbo Pascal 2.0 supporting autoindent :) [04:03] init[1]: there's tcc, which is almost a C scripting language [04:03] Urchlay: the white space isn't hard to get used to [04:04] aceofspades19: no, it's the *lack* of delimiter characters { } or begin/end or whatever, that's hard to get used to [04:04] aceofspades19: nota bene: I'm not saying it's *bad*, I'm saying it's completely weird to someone with my set of prejudices [04:05] Urchlay, i agree [04:05] Urchlay: you get used to it after you write a decent amount of python code [04:05] my coding style is to always make it explicit where the block starts/ends, and python just has no way of making it really clear... [04:05] you're talking to someone who writes assembly code with C-style indentation including comments with { } in them (which work fine for vim's % key) [04:06] and then i try to edit it, wrap code in an if/else, and end up reformating code to the wrong else :( [04:06] edman007: if you can't see the end of a block of code in python, then you need to get your eyes checked out [04:06] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [04:06] edman007: a decent editor can help with the if/else [04:07] the one nice thing I will say about python: any time I've ever had to modify existing python code, it's been relatively painless [04:07] for example, emacs tells me which scope I'm in when I press tab or backspace [04:08] (painless for someone who's never even written "hello world" in python, even) [04:08] print("HELLO WORLD") [04:08] yeah, but not knowing the language, I don't e.g. know whether that puts a newline at the end, or if the string needs a "\n" in it, or whether there's a separate print_with_newline() or what [04:09] Urchlay: only a language like php would have a print_with_newline() :p [04:09] if I actually were interested (or getting paid to be interested), I could find out easily enough :) [04:10] print_with_sometimes_newline() [04:10] aceofspades19: well, Pascal had separate write() and writeln(), and Java has separate .print() and .println() methods for output streams [04:10] Urchlay: true [04:10] in C, puts() prints a newline, but fputs() doesn't (which has always irritated the hell out of me) [04:11] Urchlay: I prefer C++ to straight c code [04:11] I don;t [04:11] s/;/'/ [04:12] part of that is just laziness (why learn a new compiled language, I already know a good one) [04:12] 95% of c code is valid C++ anyways [04:12] and part of it is that the compiler runs noticeably slower and emits completely useless uber-verbose error messages (at least g++ does) [04:12] Urchlay: like? [04:13] eh, if there's a missing typedef (some header you failed to include), you'll sometimes get 3 or 4 screens full of errors about it [04:13] ain't got a ready example, as I'm not really a C++ programmer [04:13] Urchlay: thats an exageration [04:14] not really. I ran into this stuff 5+ years ago though, maybe newer gcc's are nicer about it [04:14] s/gcc/g++/ [04:15] one time I forgot to include a boost header and it only gave me 2 full screens of errors at most [04:15] that's still an awful lot [04:15] its mostly because of template stuff [04:15] yeah [04:16] if it wasn't for templates, then you would have the same error messages as c [04:17] not a real big fan of templates. I know they're supposed to be "safer" than preprocessor macros, but they're also an awful lot more difficult to understand how they translate into machine code (at least for me they are, which could just be laziness/stupidity on my part, but even stupid people need to work...) [04:18] Urchlay: they are very powerful [04:18] but you need to be extremely smart to understand the more extreme uses of them [04:19] smart *and* actually interested :) [04:19] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-149-46.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:20] anyway, in other languages (perl) people complain about the "you need to be extremely smart to understand the more extreme uses of regexes" type of stuff (and I more than half agree with them: perl programmers tend to try to use regexes for everythiing, appropriate or not) [04:21] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.252.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:26] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [04:27] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9f4e.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [04:28] hello [04:32] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-86.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [04:38] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:38] hi is there any way of cheating the web server that you are using ie6+ windows mp when on slackware ? [04:39] use opera [04:39] it's capable of doing that [04:39] paul424: most web browsers have extensions or options to change the user agent (firefox does) [04:40] if you're thinking about using netflix ...forget about it [04:40] it uses silverlight [04:40] hmm silverlight ? [04:41] http://www.researchchannel.org/prog/displayevent.aspx?fID=569&rID=11081 I;m intrested in this site ....... [04:42] anyway the developers needs to be real dumb or malicious to give requierments like that ... not to mention to polish national televison - to watch you have to be on legal windows installation :P [04:42] Microsoft's alternative to flash...loaded with DRM [04:43] Hey, how do I get IP of someones computer if I know his messenger nickname? [04:46] anyone know of a good binary news reader ? [04:51] Krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:52] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [04:52] Can somebody help me in creating a script? I know almost nothing about it but I need it right now. [04:54] I need to make a script which will create a new user account and will ask for the password. [04:54] That's all. [04:54] I don't know how to get the password. [04:56] such a script exists already. its called adduser. which adduser [04:57] moocowmoo (n=moo@cpe-66-8-167-49.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:00] SlackNeo1 (n=SlackNeo@190.176.135.131) joined ##slackware. [05:00] sahko: I know, but I have a friend which doesn't know much about linux. He uses linux from his root account... [05:01] So, I want to make a script which will ask him for the nickname and password. [05:01] You know, something very, very, very easy. [05:02] easier than executing adduser? [05:02] But I don't know how to save strings into variables in shell. [05:02] Yes. [05:02] then i suggest you start reading the bash guides on tldp.org [05:02] :-) [05:03] Ok. [05:03] Thank you! [05:03] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:03] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-19-141.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:05] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:10] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:11] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:12] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.81.221) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:13] Is here a way to see users list (I mean all user accounts)? I see nothing with apropos. [05:14] cat /etc/passwd [05:16] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9f4e.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [05:18] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:18] antiwire: Thank you! [05:18] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:18] hello all [05:19] pri4pus: this might interest you also http://linuxcommand.org/ [05:22] sahko: What about this? [05:22] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:23] http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ [05:23] adeodatus (n=rp@92.82.81.221) joined ##slackware. [05:23] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:24] whatever suits you [05:24] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@99-202-65-167.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [05:24] sahko: OK. Thank you very much! =) [05:26] SlackNeo1 (n=SlackNeo@190.176.135.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:26] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-088-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:27] mmm, how do I make a script to open a shell where my script will do its job? I need to start the script from Thunar, or any file manager. [05:31] OK, I got it. But I have another question. Is there a shell which is aviable in all distros? [05:31] xterm? [05:31] pri4pus: better start with http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html [05:32] xterm isnt a shell [05:36] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "brb" [05:37] OK, what terminal emulator can be found in most popular distros? [05:37] Ubuntu... [05:38] xterm is _usually_ available, as an X terminal emulator [05:39] but in modern x, where everything is a single package, xterm may be installed or not [05:39] Thanks! [05:40] Waw, here is even an intro in man. 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[06:02] pri4pus: i am not answering any questions from you, at least related to this, if you dont finish reading the bash beginners guide. at the very least. [06:02] pri4pus: you have no idea what you're talking about... and it shows =) [06:02] :-) [06:02] OK [06:03] But I allready see that I have interpreted the things wrong. [06:04] pri4pus: xterm is a terminal emulator, and we could say it draws the characters; a shell is a command line interpreter; it's the program that reads your commands and runs programs with them, for example [06:04] none of them directly provide any access to any "kernel functions" whatsoever [06:05] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [06:09] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.50.113) joined ##slackware. [06:09] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:10] lmarks (n=lam@unaffiliated/lmarks) left irc: [06:16] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166063085.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[06:49] C_Tux: the problem is with gnome.org, not just those particular sources [06:49] very slow [06:49] I can. [06:49] it works, eventually [06:50] sahko: it's quite surprising : it connects pretty quickly but then hangs for an hour =/ [06:50] plus it downloaded at 250KB/s [06:50] its been like that for some days for me. at least 2-3 [06:50] oh, finally downloaded! \o/ [06:51] C_Tux: If you need that: 78d8a936 [06:51] and at 450KB/s here... [06:51] Ups [06:51] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.254) joined ##slackware. [06:51] http://www.2shared.com/file/6564811/78d8a936/gobject-introspection-063tar.html [06:51] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [06:52] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-149-46.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [06:53] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-201-211.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:53] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [06:53] Why each proces is given an ID in ranges between 1 and 32767 in linux? [06:55] lowkyalu1 (n=low@dslc-082-082-088-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:56] pri4pus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_identifier [06:57] mikexcr (n=mike@siodemka.p.lodz.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:58] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.240) joined ##slackware. [06:58] clamiax (n=clamiax@unaffiliated/clamiax) joined ##slackware. [06:58] hi [06:58] mikexcr (n=mike@siodemka.p.lodz.pl) left ##slackware. [06:59] I got a question: how can I get the chipset name of an USB WiFi adapter? It's needed in order to know if it's supported by the Linux kernel (prevent to use ndiswrapper to make it works). I googled but without results. Does anyone can point me to the right URI/man page/whatever? Thanks in advance. [07:00] lsusb [07:00] sudo lsusb [07:01] mmh [07:01] Bus 002 Device 003: ID 050d:905b Belkin Components F5D9050 ver 3 Wireless Adapter [07:01] example of mine ^ [07:01] As far as I can tell it's the adapter name not the chipset (and/or kernel driver which it uses), isn't? [07:02] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] init[1] (n=root@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [07:02] lsusb -v [07:02] prints out a lot more information, try fishing through it. [07:02] wtf??? openoffice is freezing for 4 seconds almost every time I hit a key O_O [07:03] Urchlay: :) [07:03] Urchlay: this ping is from MINIX [07:03] illuz1oN: yeah, it may be helpful I guess. THX for your help and time. [07:03] no bother. [07:03] are you trying to config it without ndiswrapper or something? [07:04] yeah, I have problems with ndiswrapper. The adapter need to be detached and reattached each 10-15 minutes in order to works [07:04] init[1] (n=root@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Client Quit [07:04] which adapter do you have? [07:05] tooly (n=tooly@e178161094.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:05] Mediacom nw-54usb [07:05] illuz1oN: for istance.. [07:05] Bus 002 Device 024: ID 0457:0163 Silicon Integrated Systems Corp. 802.11 Wireless LAN Adapter [07:06] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-088-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:07] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [07:08] clamiax (n=clamiax@unaffiliated/clamiax) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:08] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:08] clamiax (n=clamiax@unaffiliated/clamiax) joined ##slackware. [07:08] re [07:09] illuz1oN: sorry, I lost the power :-\ [07:09] welcome back. [07:09] I have no idea, you are running slackware right? [07:10] yeah [07:10] I've only been running less than 2 days. I had no problem with ndiswrapper, and my knowledge of linux is probably nowhere near as vast as some of the guys in here (fact) [07:10] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) left irc: Connection timed out [07:10] hehe, np. You already helped me in some way. [07:11] try #ndiswrapper [07:11] (this network) [07:11] mmh... I would like to not use ndiswrapper anymore (thoug I'll use it if there are no other chances). [07:11] init[1] (n=althaf@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [07:13] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166063085.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:13] clamiax - http://forum.soft32.com/linux2/problem-USB-ports-ftopict248948.html [07:15] it seems to be Debian+ndiswrapper+"the same chipset as mine" [07:16] yea [07:16] most are them are working pretty fine [07:16] yes [07:16] is ndiswrapper installed now? [07:16] I'm looking for a compatible driver for my chipset, if I can't found it I'll use ndiswrapper [07:16] illuz1oN: yes, I have ndiswrapper installed. [07:17] have you tried it with ndiswrapper? (installed the driver) [07:17] and it cuts out, right? [07:17] yes [07:17] connect with it again [07:17] and when it cuts out [07:17] it worked for some month, but since a week ago it started to be a bit more problematic [07:17] run "ndiswrapper -l" [07:18] and see if the driver is still present [07:18] yes, I already did it. The drivers is there as usual. [07:18] s/drivers/driver/ [07:18] ah ;/ [07:19] it could be the usb cutting out? [07:19] I don't know, dmesg don't say nothing about [07:20] I really have no clue then :/ [07:20] :) [07:20] THX anyway [07:26] init[1] (n=althaf@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [07:29] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-137-254.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:29] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-151-143.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:30] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [07:31] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.22.164) joined ##slackware. [07:35] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] dorin (n=dorin@92.85.165.61) joined ##slackware. [07:44] plutonas (n=plutonas@147.52.194.101) joined ##slackware. [07:44] hello, 3 questions, does slackware support packages, and if yes how easy is updating them, and/or upgrading the distro? [07:46] http://software.jaos.org/ [07:46] can help you :) [07:47] don't forget to update /etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc with a local mirror :) [07:47] hm, sounds nice [07:48] i especially like that it updates all installed packages [07:48] what happens when slack 13 comes out and i want to upgrade the whole system? [07:48] then # slapt-get --update; slapt-get --upgrade; slapt-get --dist-upgrade will do what you want :) [07:48] no idea, kind of new to slack, never have to update for a new release :) [07:49] well i'm even newer [07:49] slapt-get is not really the way to go [07:50] pprkut: can you explain this a bit further [07:50] why not? what is the way to go? [07:50] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:50] (i'm not familiar with slack, i had just tried it some years ago) [07:50] plutonas: slackware has packages, upgrading is really easy, but requires a bit of manual work (which is good IMHO) [07:51] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] what kind of manual work? and why is this better than using slapt-get [07:51] yep, slapt-get doesn't really fit with slackware philosophy [07:52] cause you know what you do :) [07:52] plutonas: slapt-get is a third party tool which does certain things differently than slackware's own package tools [07:52] but you've more work to do for this knowledge [07:52] like dependency management [07:53] plutonas: manual work like checking configuration files in /etc after an upgrade [07:53] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[08:06] but seriously, you should just try it (or read the slackbook ;) [08:06] ok [08:07] personal experience is usually better than the opinion of someone else [08:13] Lexus (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [08:13] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201.14.237.58) joined ##slackware. [08:15] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-28.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:15] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [08:15] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:16] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:17] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.74) joined ##slackware. [08:22] anyone know of a good tool to diff xml files? (that is IMPORTANT to me as I'll start one otherwise) [08:24] C_Tux: if you have nothing with Python you can try xmldiff [08:25] C_Tux: or, if you have a NetBSD box, you can try the work in progress tool for deal with XML files. [08:25] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.144.236) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.240) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:25] clamiax: xmldiff has a few annoying dependencies =/ [08:26] I'll just roll my own, it shouldn't take more than ten minutes, brb ;p [08:27] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-156-162.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:28] C_Tux: give a look here: http://blog.huoc.org/xmltools/ [08:28] C_Tux: maybe you can use them in some way. [08:33] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:37] where can i find a driver for my Speedtouch 330 modem (pppoe) [08:43] You should buy a speedtouch 516v6. [08:43] that woud be a second choice ,hehe [08:46] I had a Speedtouch 330 ,but it didn't work with linux. [08:48] i coud make it work in fedora 8 and 9 ,and slackware but now i can make it (and i can not find drivers) [08:49] slackware( i mean zenwalk ) [08:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:51] Do you want Speedtouch 330 to work on slackware,or what? [08:53] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:53] actually it's gonna take longer that I expected so I'll do that another day [08:55] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:56] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [08:57] yes,i want to make my usb Speedtouch 330 to work in slackware [08:58] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-156-162.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [09:00] You should try pclinuxos2009 which is the only linux distro which works with that type of modem. 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[10:05] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:05] slackbare (n=wilson@2001:470:1f10:785:204:76ff:fe36:65e9) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:05] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:07] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Nick change: judequinn -> usus12jari [10:11] reTep (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:12] huy (n=huy@ti0095a340-dhcp0093.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [10:12] huy (n=huy@ti0095a340-dhcp0093.bb.online.no) left irc: Client Quit [10:12] Hi all, i'm trying to compile 12.2 sources on a PowerPC (PowerMac G4), it seems that the CFLAGS I define in the slackBuild scripts do not make it into the makefiles... [10:13] Any suggestions? [10:14] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:17] ppc, hmmm [10:17] http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/ ? [10:18] 12.0 is already two years old? :o [10:19] yeah. [10:19] That's the reason why [10:19] I'm running Slackintosh 12.1 [10:19] And want to update [10:19] thats why you cant do 12.0 -> 12.1 -> 12.2 without a lot of headaches [10:19] ;-) [10:20] I'm not blindly updating any packages. I'm just building them... [10:20] now stop distracting me from painting [10:20] (I'm soooo sorry) [10:20] spook, you distract yourself by being on IRC [10:20] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [10:20] TwinReverb: your face faces your face irc distract your face. :P [10:21] reTep: what are you trying to build? [10:21] The package in question right now is: parted [10:21] parted uses some inline functions which are not supported by C89 [10:21] heh [10:22] I want to pass the -fgnu89-inline arg [10:22] who the hell uses the c89 standard by choice, anymore? [10:22] Don't know... [10:22] ask them M;-) [10:22] is c89, ansi? i forget [10:23] The parted package from slackware 12.2 uses parted 1.8.8, and 1.8.8 uses C89 [10:23] C89 is ANSI [10:23] as is C99 [10:23] So, how can I pass a compilerflag from the slackBuild file to the Makefile? [10:24] ummm [10:24] The normal way is via SLKCFLAGS to CFLAGS [10:24] vi parted.slackBuild [10:24] That's what I do..but to no avail [10:24] find the make line [10:25] Did that to... [10:25] but that's no way. Sorry. [10:25] I should be able to configure the whole build process via the slackBuild file, right? [10:25] yes [10:25] That's the sole reason for their existence... [10:25] amen ;-) [10:27] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-150-54.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:27] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) left irc: "leaving" [10:28] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [10:29] dorin (n=dorin@92.85.165.61) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:31] reTep: pastebin the build as you have it now. [10:31] reTep (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:32] reTep (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:32] (god, how I hate computer crashes...) [10:33] reTep (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: Client Quit [10:33] reTep (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:33] is parted in slackware? [10:33] yes [10:33] It's in the sources...(?) [10:34] under the l (elll) category [10:34] ah [10:35] to me it seems quite straight forward to change what i assume will be a configure option [10:35] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.74) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [10:35] Really? [10:35] ;-) [10:35] I do that via the CFLAGS [10:35] hba (n=hba@189.188.144.185) joined ##slackware. [10:36] But they do not get included in the Makefiles [10:36] (or adapted) [10:36] It's a pain in the a.... [10:36] ooooooooh [10:36] (sorry for that ;-) ) [10:36] ummm [10:36] does it build a proper package? [10:37] AnimeHendrix (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:37] gnome?? nah... it sucks.. [10:37] Besides parted, every other package just built fine (well, as hba says..., a few GNOME packages with dependencies)... [10:37] elif [ "$ARCH" = "i486" ]; then \ SLKCFLAGS="-march=i486 -mtune=i686 -fgnu89-inline" [10:37] towards the top [10:37] That's right [10:38] uhm ... [10:38] it should be doing it already [10:38] I've changed that to ".....march=G4...fgnu89-inline" [10:38] Directly into the CFLAGS variable [10:38] elif [ "$ARCH" = "s390" ]; then \ SLKCFLAGS="-O2" [10:38] you're not building for i486. i hope. [10:39] G4... [10:39] ;-) [10:39] Nevertheless it should work [10:39] is g4, i486? [10:39] .... [10:39] G4 is a genuine power pc [10:39] nope. [10:39] 7450... [10:39] echo $ARCH [10:39] or something [10:39] anyway [10:40] I do not rely on the if...arch...then...branch [10:40] I just write the CFLAGS [10:40] further down the slackBuild [10:40] file [10:40] can you [10:40] please press [10:40] the [10:40] return key [10:40] fewer times? :P [10:40] I [10:40] 'll [10:40] try it [10:40] hehe [10:41] probably at this point in time, it would be quite useful if you pastebin the slackbuild script as you have it. [10:41] sure [10:41] BP{k}: no no, thats silly. [10:41] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [10:41] BP{k}: he should just paste it in the channel, line by line [10:41] Sorry...don't want to bother u with my problems [10:41] making sure to evade slackboy by posting slowly enough [10:44] hah! the best quote i seen in a long time: "political correctness is the delusion that you can pick up a turd by the clean end" [10:44] hahaha .. nice :) [10:46] reTep (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) left ##slackware. [10:48] Pete1 (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:48] you're just like your mother, can't take a punch [10:49] lol [10:49] something only a dad would say [10:49] something only an irish dad would say [10:50] CFLAGS="-mcpu=G4 -mtune=G4 -mpower -mpowerpc -maltivec -O2 -fgnu89-inline" [10:51] slackintosh? [10:51] Ye [10:51] joannis (n=joannis@adsl-dyn186.91-127-84.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Pete1: i havent seen a question.. [10:51] just random pasting [10:51] how do you like it? a good fork? [10:52] Nonono [10:52] The question was whether I could paste "relevant" sections of my slackBuild file for parted [10:53] lol paste the whole thing like BP{k} said [10:53] Puh... [10:53] ;-) [10:53] ignore me if you are unsure if i'm being sarcastic [10:53] pastebin it [10:53] dont paste it here [10:53] OK [10:53] wait [10:54] http://pastebin.com/d250dfee9 [10:55] If you could plz have a look [10:55] By the way: it's nothing special I adpated. Just the arch and the cflags. [10:56] @spook: what are u painting? [10:56] racist graphiti [10:56] Well... [10:56] Pete1: and broke things which shows you don't know what you are doing. [10:56] OK. [10:57] Tell me. [10:57] line 48. [10:57] Yes [10:57] There's my CFLAGS line [10:57] There's nothing wrong about it, is it? [10:58] you need to pipe it to configure [10:58] add a \ [10:58] oooo [10:58] aaaaaah [10:58] thrice`: stop taking my fun away .. dammit! [10:58] oh, sorry [10:58] G R E A T G U Y S [10:58] !!! [10:59] thrice`: how else am I gonna get my sarcasm meter up to 11. [10:59] "ÿand broke things which shows you don't know what you are doing". That's right [10:59] Action: thrice` steals BP{k}'s breakfast [10:59] Let's try that. [11:00] \o/ yay! another day on ##slackware !!! [11:00] samcarter (n=samcarte@78.151.178.72) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Will "Quit installing packages and finish up", give me a bootable system? [11:01] samcarter: have you installed lilo? [11:01] "depends" [11:01] For disc 2 you mean? [11:01] did you just do disc 1? [11:02] "did you install anything?" [11:02] Yes just disc 1 so far. I'm not sure if I installed lilo, it's a virtual machine. [11:02] better question, did you install all of /a/ and at least a kernel [11:02] LILO comes after the package installation. [11:02] you should be OK. you won't have x11 [11:02] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) [11:02] of course .... of course .. *sigh* [11:03] BP{k}: hahaha [11:03] Today is Sweetmorn, the 40th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3175 [11:07] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [11:07] Pete1 (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:07] Pete1 (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Once more... [11:08] Thank you very much. [11:08] It was that backslash issue... [11:09] joannis (n=joannis@adsl-dyn186.91-127-84.t-com.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:09] no it was a piping issue [11:09] well [11:09] A piping issue then ;-) [11:09] Actually a newbie issue.. [11:09] more like a new line issue [11:09] not really "pipe" in its literal sense [11:10] Yes. That's right. [11:10] Strings and stuff ;-) [11:10] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] Thunderstorm is coming, have to go offline. Wish u all pleasant day. [11:11] bye Pete1 [11:11] bye [11:11] Pete1 (n=mmaniak@84-73-254-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) left ##slackware. [11:14] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] MrTweek_ (n=MrTweek@dyndsl-085-016-219-068.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [11:14] Hello :) [11:16] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [11:19] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@201.51.138.48) joined ##slackware. [11:19] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-181-122.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Peace!" [11:20] blargh [11:20] wonder if that guy's actually running around his house unplugging everything [11:21] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.254) left irc: "Leaving." [11:22] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left irc: [11:22] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] thats what fuses are for [11:23] to save fsck some 500G drive, I might run as well [11:24] and why its extremely stupid to replace fuses with large hunks of copper [11:25] i do unplug the coax from my radio, i have an aluminim antenna about 40 feet in the air above my house [11:25] hmmm thats a good point [11:26] lightning could totally explode my htpc [11:26] what's htpc? [11:27] Hoem-theater PC [11:27] home theatre pc [11:27] xD [11:27] also my storage machine, has 2tb of raid10 [11:27] @spook do you stream your musik via internet? [11:27] switch_ (n=nobody@c-98-235-92-129.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [11:28] no [11:28] hba (n=hba@189.188.144.185) left irc: "Saliendo" [11:28] why not xD [11:28] because you're lame [11:28] -.- [11:28] :P [11:28] spook: you should be using raid-5 for storage [11:29] it worse only a question [11:29] raid60 better, not? [11:29] dustybin: you should be shutting the fuck up before i kill you. [11:29] jeeze :( [11:29] Action: spook doesn't like raid5 [11:30] raid-5 would give you more storage space [11:30] don't mind spook, he's a moron [11:30] thrice`: aye indeed [11:30] raid-5 would also give me horrible preformance. [11:30] dam ozzies [11:30] and risk of data loss. [11:30] t0mm13b (n=jsoap@92.251.255.6) joined ##slackware. [11:31] raid10 far 2copies gives me awesome preformance. [11:32] also if i lose a disk, i get the exact same preformance. [11:32] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [11:32] and can easily grow it. [11:32] hello! can anyone point me in the right direction for building gnome from source tarballs - garnome was useless for me... [11:32] t0mm13b: ......... [11:33] you can use the gnome slackbuild scripts: http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [11:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [11:34] cool :D Thanks thrice for the link! :D [11:34] hba (n=hba@189.188.144.185) joined ##slackware. [11:35] sure; not an easy task, of course, but :) [11:35] what advantages are there when using 64-bit slack ? [11:35] next time, I'll really put my whole /etc under git [11:35] control [11:36] how can a shell script report which directory it is stored in? [11:36] " $( pwd ) " ? [11:36] C_Tux: i recommend mercurial instead. git doesnt preserve file permissions [11:36] $PWD [11:37] AFAIK [11:37] cd /tmp;/path/to/script.sh #result /tmp, should have been /path/to [11:37] sahko: hmm, that'd be annoying but I remember git noticing file mode change [11:37] and, I shouldn't blindly copy everything [11:38] confrey (n=dario@94.162.7.230) joined ##slackware. [11:38] pwd prints the current directory, not the directory that the script is stored in [11:39] basedir $0 [11:39] not basedir, I keep forgetting the correct command [11:39] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-181-122.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] dirname [11:40] ICANHASDIRECTORIEZ [11:40] no :D [11:40] cd /path/to;export PATH=$PATH:.;script.sh # result ., should have been /path/to [11:41] and 'dirname $0' ? [11:42] in my last example, dirname $0 is . [11:43] if i want to netcat something from one machine to another on a lan. is it as simple as nc -l on one machine and nc on the other? [11:43] i'm getting connection refused [11:43] I guess I need to add a check to convert paths with . and .. elements to a canonical path [11:43] hiptobecubic: yes, [11:43] my ssh keys ! [11:43] pi31415: I have the solution, somewhere, ... [11:44] hiptobecubic: nc -l -p port [11:44] spook, hmm ok [11:44] DIR=$(cd $(basename $0)) [11:44] echo $(readlink -f $(dirname $0)) [11:44] spook, that was it thanks [11:44] nc -h was very helpful [11:45] C_Tux: nice [11:45] C_Tux: hrm, the cd version is not working here [11:48] DIR=$(cd $(basename $0); echo $PWD) [11:48] :D [11:49] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:51] is there anybody using gslacky? [11:54] no, never ever\ [11:55] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [11:56] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] what could I have forgotten to back up? I'm going to format and reinstall everything here [11:58] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-246-36.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9f4e.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [12:01] hello [12:01] spook, and so, what's about gnome in slackware? I don't like kde4, it's too much hard for my eeepc [12:01] confrey, try xfce :-) [12:02] lxde new hotness [12:03] christian, thanks, I'm always using xfce4.6.1, in current, but some gnome utilities, like bluetooth in nautilus and browsing samba network are missing to me [12:03] there are some implementations of gnome for slackware, for example dropline and gnomeslackbuild, but in my opinion xfce and especially lxde are much better choices for a netbook [12:03] confrey: i use xfce, with all those things works. [12:03] working [12:03] konqueror does samba [12:03] spook, what are you uusing for bt? [12:03] so do you use konqueror in xfce? [12:03] lxde -> pcmanfm -> new versions want gnome -> bad [12:04] i'm not using bt, but otherwise, commandline [12:04] C_Tux, which new versions? [12:04] yeah when i want samba, which is like twice ever. [12:04] spook: konqueror does samba, hmmm, naughty :D [12:04] spook, how? [12:04] newer than 0.5.x? [12:04] confrey: how what? [12:04] how can you use bluetooth by command line.... [12:05] christian: versions published after June this year (or so), I'm not sure they're using gnome bits right now, but they are going to [12:05] confrey: hurrr durrr [12:05] disclaimer : didn't check by myself, but I'll do soon [12:05] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:05] i used obexpush ftp get etc [12:05] C_Tux, thank you [12:06] that would be bad, the current pcmanfm is very good [12:06] i use it since last december [12:06] How do I change the background color in yakuake? I tried changing it in console, but it doesn't carry over [12:06] spook, ok, what's the command to mount cellphone as a filesystem? [12:06] you cant i'm pretty sure [12:07] thats just obexftp [12:07] christian: agree [12:07] christian: but there is a possibility it won't actually depend on gnome bits, that's why I have to try [12:09] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] slackbare (n=wilson@2001:470:1f10:785:204:76ff:fe36:65e9) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:14] xfce is losing control of desktop sometimes on log-in. I then have to use "desktop settings" to give control back to xfce [12:14] any ideas on what I need to edit so that I don't need to do this anymore [12:14] uhuh [12:15] i bet xfce is not saving your setting when you exit out of the window manager [12:16] same thing I was thinking, but the last several times I shutdown/quit, I used the GUI and ensured that the "save session" box was checked [12:16] confrey (n=dario@94.162.7.230) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:17] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:19] o dont even understand what is going wrong here.. what does "xcfe is losing control of desktop" mean? [12:19] erhh. I dont even ^^ [12:19] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:19] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [12:20] afaik xfce *is* the desktop, no? 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[12:25] Action: The-Croupier leaves.. :( [12:25] Nick change: t0mm13b -> t0mm13b|away [12:25] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:25] t0mm13b|away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [12:25] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [12:25] links -g -driver fb http://www. [12:26] slackboy: is brilliant these day :) [12:26] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-125.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:26] yay slackboy [12:26] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:27] badboy [12:28] yup, that is his favorite trick [12:28] now, someone give him a goodie [12:28] Action: spook gives slackboy a megabite [12:29] Action: C_Tux pats slackboy [12:31] Action: init[1] slackboy im a nice guy :) never kick/ban me :) [12:31] init[1]: maybe you should change to multiuser mode [12:31] ooh spook does nicks changes provoke slackboy ? [12:32] s/nicks/nick/ [12:32] only if you change to something_away [12:32] or something that macavity doesnt like :P [12:32] spook: nah, he's been trying to fix he's computer for weeks now ;) [12:32] C_Tux: what? [12:33] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-150-54.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [12:33] spook: init[1] ;) [12:33] C_Tux: what? [12:33] C_Tux: i undestood you :) single user mode [12:33] yup [12:34] Nick change: init[1] -> init[3] [12:34] >_< [12:34] macavity: what if you start hating yourself? [12:34] Action: init[3] aahaaa [12:35] spook: i hate everybody.. no exception what so ever :P [12:35] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] spook: though.. i could do with a little loooove.. got some? [12:35] antiwire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRnXrGop3Vw&feature=channel [12:36] macavity: sure. [12:37] crap, my /mnt/sda10/pr0n didn't contain any pron =/ [12:37] agentc0re: nice one [12:37] my /mnt/sds69/pr0n doesnt contain any pron [12:38] makes me sad :'( [12:38] a good console-based mail client? [12:38] mutt [12:38] pine [12:39] supports ttl and ssl? [12:39] probally [12:39] mount your mailbox as a filesystem and use cp, cat, vim...? ;p [12:39] hah [12:39] use fuse to make it a filesystem [12:40] of course you might need to write your own fs driver [12:40] s/migth// [12:40] err, might [12:42] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-89-216-128-194.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [12:44] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. 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[12:55] ok, this is weird. i've got an XP installation I migrated over to /dev/sda1, I have booted from it before, I have it setup in lilo with the new drive lettering, /dev/sda1, and i can select it in lilo but it's not booting [12:56] strangely enough, nothing has changed on the windows partition that I know of since the last time I ran windows [12:57] is this a lilo issue, or is this a windows boot issue? [12:57] dartmouth: chainloading ok ? [12:57] C_Tux: not sure what that is; isn't that a grub thing? [12:57] dartmouth: and any error or just a blank screen? [12:57] just blank [12:58] lol. if you help me I will never make fun of the french military again :) [12:59] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:59] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-125.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:59] dartmouth: you said lilo [12:59] yes [13:00] why do you mention lilo then? :D [13:00] im using lilo [13:00] I mean, why did you mention grub then? ;) [13:00] Meckafet1 (n=meckafet@c193-150-254-182.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [13:01] you said something about chainloading; don't know anything about that [13:01] http://pastebin.com/ma4c214b [13:02] any bootloader has to chainload windows [13:02] oh [13:03] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) joined ##slackware. [13:03] I know how to see how much free ram memory I have installed on my computer but I am having problems seeing what type of RAM memory I have installed on my PC. Anybody can help there? [13:03] or maybe that I'm mixing a bit, wait a second [13:03] ravigehlot: 'free' in a terminal [13:04] C_Tux: no [13:04] C_Tux: that won't show what T-Y-P-E of RAM memory I have [13:05] ravigehlot: dmidecode [13:05] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [13:05] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:06] dartmouth: and why do you have 'table" [13:06] ? [13:06] eh, well maybe. On my system it shows "speed: unknown", "type: unknown", and such. Not sure if that's due to the memory or the cheapo motherboard [13:06] C_Tux: I'm not entirely sure, I just modded up the existing windows entry to have the new drive label [13:06] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.200.121.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:06] hi all [13:07] Urchlay: yeah...that was close... [13:07] hi gtl [13:07] yo fire|bird ! [13:07] dmidecode cat > dmidecode.txt :D [13:07] how's it going, fire|bird ? [13:07] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:07] gtl: going great, thank you. yourself? [13:07] RipVanWinkle: right [13:07] Urchlay: thaks [13:08] so it worked for you better than it does for me? cool [13:08] very nice, thanks, tasting some great wine and eating shrimps [13:08] dartmouth: Yoy cannot move a windows installation to another place (partition) and expect it to boot. Windows keeps some internal housekeeping about where it is located on the HD ! [13:09] ml4711: thats weird because i booted from it right after I did it several times [13:09] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] fire|bird, back to slack, did you manage the upgrade to -current? [13:10] gtl: I've been on current a couple weeks now. :) [13:10] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:11] dartmouth: you say *nothing* has changed between working state and non-working one? [13:11] y0 C_Tux [13:11] C_Tux: that i know of. [13:11] fire|bird, nice, does cat /etc/slackware-version already says slackware 13.0.0? [13:11] gtl: yup. : ) [13:11] does it? [13:11] fire|bird, sweet! and what wm you use? [13:11] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:11] gtl: fluxbox [13:11] mine too [13:12] that's why it's a release candidate :P [13:12] spook: yeah. [13:12] slack13 [13:12] =) [13:12] hey nachox [13:12] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) joined ##slackware. [13:12] hey fire|bird [13:12] fire|bird, ah! i kinda need some gnome tools, but I heard great things about fluxbox [13:12] flux is good [13:12] gtl: yeah, fluxbox is great. [13:13] dartmouth: usually it does not work. It should be possible to get it working by deleting those housekeeping files, but I don't remember the names of them. The Clonezilla site has some pointers to som articles! [13:13] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] what abou lxde, does anyone uses it? [13:14] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9f4e.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [13:15] init[3] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [13:15] C_Tux: I just installed uzbl to try out. :) [13:15] gtl: I've tried it, but I don't use it. [13:16] fire|bird, I'll switch to fluxbox and see how it is... BRS [13:16] BRB* [13:16] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:16] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.200.121.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] i just had a disturbing thought [13:17] Do tell. [13:18] no [13:18] the entire boot process for any computer system may be totally unnecessary [13:18] dartmouth: you woke up and you were using Ubuntu? [13:18] fire|bird: traitor! ='( [13:18] lol [13:18] C_Tux: why? It just to try. [13:18] dartmouth: when you moved windows, you only moved the files, right? [13:18] fire|bird: ='( [13:18] your right thats disturbing, just wipe the software off and use it at a paper weight [13:18] C_Tux: get your browser done, and I'll install that. [13:19] C_Tux: no i made an image of the partition and then expanded the image onto another disc. [13:19] fire|bird: nah, I'm just teasing you ;) [13:19] C_Tux: I figure so. :P How's it going? [13:19] C_Tux: uzbl takes a unique approach to browsing. [13:19] fire|bird: you could boot on a windows installation cd and use fixboot and fixmbr [13:19] SuN (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19] SvalisBard (n=SvalisBa@24.159.166.178) joined ##slackware. [13:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:19] SvalisBard kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Shrink your ego first [13:20] C_Tux: for what? Nothings broken here. :P [13:20] that'll nuke your lilo but will repair windows, so keep some boot stick which will let you restore lilo [13:20] uhm [13:20] s/fire|bird/dartmouth/ ;) [13:20] SuN (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:20] I don't even have windows on this pc. Tab completion fail. [13:20] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8DD2E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] there's not a livecd i can download and burn? [13:20] hahaha. [13:20] well, not even tab completion, you just fail. [13:20] Action: spook pats slackboy [13:20] i no longer have any xp installation media [13:20] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) [13:20] fire|bird: no no, no tab completion fail, only user fail :D [13:20] dartmouth: you can get win7's [13:20] dartmouth: that's how it should be. ;) [13:21] C_Tux: agreed, the user failed miserably. ;) [13:21] fire|bird: the user sucks :) [13:21] hey [13:21] for a live CD or bootable usb thumbdrive to keep around just in case i need to fix something i like to keep slax around mostly because it is slackware compatible [13:21] im cooler than that [13:21] sometimes [13:22] i meant a livecd with the fixmbr and fixboot apps [13:22] you dont need that. [13:22] ? [13:22] meh, I use slackware installer to fix everything ^^ [13:22] boot up with slax in text mode, chroot your slackware install and run lilo, it will spit back some errors about proc but it will still put lilo back on the MBR if that is what you want] [13:23] just pxe boot the slackware installer, and use it to boot your system, then run lilo :P [13:23] im talking about fixing the windows boot [13:23] he said i would need to commands, fixmbr and fixboot [13:23] dartmouth: why the hell would you want to do that? [13:23] i think the windows cd has a rescue mode and you can fix the mbr that way [13:23] yup [13:24] spook: you're interfering with my strive towards WoW. I simply will not allow this ;) [13:24] use an usb stick with grub, boot the regular system :D [13:24] RipVanWinkle: yep -> fixmbr and fixboot :) [13:24] dartmouth: use wine [13:24] your strive towards WoW? [13:24] i dont have a windows cd. lol wtf. [13:24] spook: don't tell him, don't let him irc and use wow on slackware at the same time, save his life! [13:24] striving to retain your virginity? [13:24] Fish (n=Fish@AVelizy-152-1-38-245.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:25] acidchild: i've never tried it. a buddy has it. it looked cool. im gonna see if it's for me. [13:25] C_Tux: yeah yeah [13:25] erjc (n=erc@cable-12-97-132.b2b2c.ca) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [13:25] i just want him to bugger off [13:26] spook: got 'em all .. yet? [13:26] acidchild: what? [13:26] pokemon joke [13:26] ;/ [13:26] :o [13:26] oh right because of our name [13:27] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.80.215) joined ##slackware. [13:27] i'm sorry [13:27] them jokes really bug me. [13:27] :-/ because they are endless [13:27] i know your pain [13:28] http://www.myka.tv/ [13:28] what you think? [13:28] i think they are based on the Devinci SoC from TI. [13:29] isn't it going to be really slow in wine? [13:29] who cares. [13:30] only up to 500Gb [13:30] hahaha : xchat message : "Running IRC as root is stupid! You should create a User Account and use that to login" ;p [13:30] spook: its just a harddrive ;/ [13:30] you could throw a 1TB in via USB. [13:30] doesnt compare to my 4x1tb raid10 array [13:30] haha. [13:30] C_Tux2 (n=root@AMontsouris-158-1-55-45.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:30] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:31] arent they gonna get mega super sued for the whole PRESS THIS BUTTON TO DOWNLOAD MOVIES ILLEGALLY [13:31] giuppy (n=giuppy@host156-167-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:31] i dunno, i was tempted to buy one [13:32] also, no vga [13:33] how do I accept a dcc transfer in irssi? [13:34] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: "leaving" [13:35] C_Tux: /dcc get [13:35] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] who has VGA?! [13:35] thanks jgor [13:36] C_Tux2 (n=root@AMontsouris-158-1-55-45.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [13:36] :) [13:36] slackware.com is down. 13.0 isnt coming out this second is it? I'm scared. [13:37] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [13:38] wow i get some crazy errors [13:38] when i try to run aim6 in wine [13:38] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) left irc: [13:38] can i pastebin them to someone? [13:39] Pat retired and moved to a south pacific island paradise, right now he is sipping a a mixed drink with a tiny umbrella in it while watching tan native women run around on the beach nakid [13:39] you can pastebin them and post the link to the channel [13:39] RipVanWinkle: hmmmm :) [13:39] Cann0n (i=4b593825@gateway/web/freenode/x-427e502d69c7a28c) joined ##slackware. [13:39] is there a slackware pastebin? [13:40] pastebin.slackadelic.com [13:40] hey [13:40] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:40] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: Success [13:41] fire|bird: hey [13:41] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/UVfnZn16.html [13:42] am i missing some files in Wine or librarys? [13:42] how did you install wine? [13:43] why the hell are you running aim with wine??? [13:43] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] blacksheep: why are you trying to run AIM with wine??? [13:43] Cann0n: just for fun [13:44] sounds like a noob move imho [13:44] blacksheep: there are some apps that just wont run in wine, especially the ones that have heavy internet explorer dependencies [13:44] http://www.pidgin.im/ [13:44] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] iyho indeed [13:44] y0 Cann0n, how's it going? [13:44] its an experement [13:45] i use Kopete mainly. [13:45] yahoo's ymessenger is the same way [13:45] http://www.linuxalt.com/ [13:45] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [13:46] uh huh... [13:46] i use wine for fuity loops and flash [13:47] thats about it. i used to play D2 and tribes back in the day... but that was back in the pre-cedega days [13:47] blacksheep: looks like a pure wine error, upgrade and if latest version has the problem, report bug :) [13:47] Action: C_Tux should stop his computer and reinstall windows and then slackware64 [13:48] gah, forgot my kernel .config [13:48] C_Tux: thanks :) [13:48] lol [13:48] C_Tux2 (n=root@AMontsouris-158-1-55-45.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:48] id love to convert to the current kernel [13:49] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [13:49] plutonas (n=plutonas@147.52.194.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:50] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.74) joined ##slackware. [13:51] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:51] i never got around to it. im still on 2.6.27.7 [13:51] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:52] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) left irc: "Leaving" [13:53] C_Tux2 (n=root@AMontsouris-158-1-55-45.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [13:53] he, I've already used .31-rc1 ;p [13:54] Lexus (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [13:54] Meckafet1 (n=meckafet@c193-150-254-182.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] i need to get my mmc card reader working... as well as my winmodem... lol yeah right [13:56] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:58] planning the partitions [13:59] toytoy (n=dindin@112.202.83.136) joined ##slackware. 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[14:06] straterra: beta ;) [14:06] Beta? uck [14:07] RC is better than beta..but still a bit buggy [14:07] straterra: it's very stable [14:07] actually isnt it a release candidate [14:07] err, I mean I have beta, I want to install rc [14:07] There was a beta and rc released [14:07] do microsoft know what a release candidate is? [14:07] Obviously so..since they released one [14:07] but I should beta-test win7 for mingw-w64 =/ [14:08] straterra: yeah but the whole feature freeze thing [14:08] What feature freeze thing? [14:08] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) joined ##slackware. [14:08] what you do for a release candidate [14:08] RC doesn't necessarily mean feature freeze [14:08] it was mostly frozen between beta and rc, I guess it will be between beta and final [14:09] C_Tux: from what i've seen and heard, that is far from the truth [14:09] Beta to RC had few changes [14:09] And RC is expected to have few changes from RTM [14:09] Minus the obvious changes..like debug levels [14:10] so features that will be untested by the general public [14:10] Not new features..bugfixes and such [14:11] heh [14:11] lol, ed-209 [14:12] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8DD2E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:14] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.62.64) joined ##slackware. [14:15] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) left irc: [14:16] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:18] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:36] I'm so lazy I won't plug a mouse in a windows computer if that means going behind the case [14:36] most new computers have usb ports in the front too [14:37] that is if you have an usb port of course [14:37] err, usb mouse [14:37] that one is at least three years old and I thought two of the usb ports were dead [14:37] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] for some machines, it has to be a subset of the rear ports for the mouse to work [14:39] keyboard too [14:40] oh no, it works, I'm just really lazy :D [14:40] now, I need to learn how to burn a dvd :D [14:40] http://slackadelic.com/~ash/ciphoo.jpeg [14:40] :D [14:41] C_Tux: you dont. [14:41] adeodatus (n=rp@92.85.220.218) left irc: Client Quit [14:41] you buy a usb hdd [14:41] X-copy-paste [14:41] need mouse ='( [14:41] spook: it was plugged in the front usb port ;p [14:41] heh [14:42] acidchild: :P [14:42] oh yeah, the readme :D [14:42] C_Tux: :P [14:43] acidchild: urct? [14:43] s/urct/urcat/ [14:43] gah, I wanted to see the -current changelog =/ [14:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:44] C_Tux: http://dev.slackware.it/rss/snap_slackware-current.xml [14:44] C_Tux: lol yah [14:45] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:46] chopp: I'd need to copy that by hand, but I checked the ChangeLog.txt in my rsync ;) [14:46] acidchild: congrats, he looks terrible ;p [14:47] haha terrible? awe, Cipher is the cutest thing ever =] [14:47] spooksoftware.com/slackware/slackware-current/ :) [14:47] ='( growisofs won't find my .iso ='( [14:47] but what's going on with slackware.com ? some hw problem? [14:47] gvim Cha [14:47] init[1] (n=althaf@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [14:47] skatar: thats why we have mirrors! =] [14:48] because 'shit happens' [14:48] Action: acidchild feels sorry for who ever is overally in charge of fixing issues with the slackware server [14:48] acidchild: :-D [14:48] skatar: yes, hardware problems. Holiday weekends suck. [14:48] like my mirror :) [14:48] my server goes down and its IM's and emails [14:48] well, probably hardware problems. Not sure at this point, to be honest. [14:49] rworkman: got r00t? =] [14:49] I do not. :) [14:49] i blame chris punches [14:49] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:49] skatar: me too [14:49] straterra* [14:50] rworkman: whats not to be sure... no email responce back regarding it? =P [14:50] he cant cause problems of that magnitude... [14:50] dont underestimate stupid [14:51] ok, a two by four can do some damage too.. but i dont think they will actually let him in to the data center [14:51] I'm not used to dvd burning and trying to use the command written in README.TXT regarding burning of the media, but growisofs always tells me "unexpected errno:No such file or directory" =/ [14:52] acidchild: I'm not at liberty to say :) [14:52] do you think pat runs cwo.com? [14:52] use pxe [14:52] he must have income from somewhere... [14:52] acidchild: store.slackware.com [14:52] he manwhores himself [14:52] seriously? [14:52] C_Tux: l2pxe [14:53] acidchild: i buy $5 of donations every month [14:53] cool cool [14:54] if every regular in here did that Pat would be a lot better off [14:54] spook: will only have one computer [14:54] i'd buy/donate but my currency is worth shit [14:54] yah, your right. [14:54] and growisofs tries to open /dev/dvd=some.iso =/ [14:55] spook: same here.. but i insist on being able to help both the FSF and Slackware [14:55] C_Tux: mount it to loop? [14:55] ah ok, I don't have /dev/dvd anymore..; [14:55] macavity: also i'm a student [14:56] oh, bad kernel I bet... [14:56] spook: im just plainly unimployed [14:56] macavity: :( [14:56] as am I. and donate on a regular basis [14:56] but still /dev/hda [14:56] spook: well.. Denmark is not the worst place in the world to be on benefits [14:57] i live with my dad, and he earns way too much for me to get any benefits [14:57] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:57] then you better knock him up for some dole :P [14:58] lol [14:58] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.22) joined ##slackware. [14:59] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [15:02] hahahaha [15:02] oh all the small things in simpsons [15:02] like homer lenny and carl playing bull fighting on the cctv in background, with a forklift instead of a bull [15:03] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.220.218) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Wizard (n=wziuuuuu@gentoo/user/wizard) joined ##slackware. [15:04] hi :) [15:04] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [15:06] hi [15:06] yo [15:08] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [15:08] nah, at least i won with airport extreme under slackintosh [15:08] :] [15:09] confrey (n=dario@94.162.7.230) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.135) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Where is the apps menu for xfce located? [15:10] y0 lf4, how's it going? [15:10] hmm /etc/xdg... [15:10] lf4: ^^ [15:10] hey fire|bird things are going well just been busy how about yourself? [15:10] lf4: doing excellent, thank you. [15:11] lf4: got some pictures of some fireworks last night. :) [15:11] disco6 (n=x@doc-24-32-2-231.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] How to see pdf file from console.? is there a good pdf viewer? [15:11] Wizard: sorry that doesnt seem to have it. I thought it would be located in ~/.something [15:11] anyone know when Slackware 13 will come out? [15:11] disco6 (n=x@doc-24-32-2-231.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:11] fire|bird: oh nice :) did you enjoy the holiday? [15:12] blacksheep: nope, just when it's ready. However, current is rc1 [15:12] lf4: so ~/.config [15:12] lf4: yes, sure did. [15:12] wait a second.. [15:12] fire|bird: rc1 means? [15:12] nah, i haven't installed xfce :/ [15:12] lf4: btw, total # of pictures on my hdd that I've taken since 2007 alone, 10,547. [15:12] Wizard: thanks :) its located in .config [15:13] Haha fire|bird wow that is a ton. in only 2 years [15:13] blacksheep: release candidate 1. i.e. 13 is getting closer to being released. [15:13] lf4: yeah, I'm a shutterbug indeed. :) [15:13] fire|bird: which rc* usualy becomes the stable? [15:14] lf4: that doesn't even include what I have on cd/dvd's :) [15:14] blacksheep: I'm not sure how many rc*'s there will be. [15:14] fire|bird: yeah I have noticed :) thats cool though. [15:15] lf4: you're welcome :) [15:15] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [15:15] under what setting could i fix this problem: When I click on a window in the background on my desktop ie: xirc, firefox I want it to automaticaly bring that window to the foreground [15:15] ? [15:16] win7 burnt, next will be slackware64 :) [15:16] blacksheep: what wm? [15:16] Wizard: compiz [15:16] C_Tux: you should burn windows 7 quite litterally :P [15:16] blacksheep: hmm, unknown for me :( [15:17] macavity: :) [15:17] lol, is win7 so bad? [15:17] How to see pdf file from console.? is there a good pdf viewer frome console? [15:17] Wizard: it came out of Redmond [15:17] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:17] and? [15:17] fire|bird: I want some fireworks pictures, or it didn't happen. :P [15:18] Wizard: thust it doesnt matter if it is technologically sound or not.. it is designed for one thing: keeping the market in controll [15:18] laterz everyone :) [15:18] bye C_Tux [15:18] cya Tux [15:18] later [15:18] chopp: haha [15:18] good afternoon all. upgraded to -current with 4.2.4, i have 2 minor/kinda could be major issues.. the first is with sbopkg and the second is with dolphin... in choosing files to install, transfers, update etc, these 2 programs are deleting their cruft after finishing with said files causing my /tmp to fill up.. i had 5gb of trash in /tmp when sbopkg started complaining it had run out of space [15:20] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@24.159.166.178 expired. [15:20] macavity: but i haven't seen it yet [15:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:20] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.220.218) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:20] maybe my little brother will install it [15:20] but i think it will be crappy like vista [15:21] unfortunately it appears to be in better condition than Vista :-/ [15:21] VampirePenguin: you'll need to kill /tmp/SBo eveyr now and then [15:21] macavity: rotfl [15:21] :D [15:21] VampirePenguin: or set TMP in your environment to somewhere with more disk space [15:21] VampirePenguin: set up a cron job to checks if sbopkg is running, and if not, rm -rf /tmp/SBo/* [15:22] i have been deleting it manually but when im using dolphin or sbopkg i cant delete fiels just nilly willy [15:22] I'm getting all of the SElinux userspace stuff together now [15:22] How can i setup my tv-card? [15:22] in SBo form [15:22] in slackware? [15:22] 12.2 [15:23] MrTweek_: search google for generic instructions [15:23] my / is only 10gb and its 5.2gb used [15:23] MrTweek_: there is no slackware specific hix-hax that you need to do [15:23] MrTweek_: everything is unpatched, so the standard tools/apps should work straight out of the box [15:23] but i do have to say macavity i havent had one plasma crash yet with those adjustments for the intel stuff [15:23] :) [15:24] its even doig things it didnt do before [15:24] <-- newbee [15:24] video wise [15:24] :( [15:24] MrTweek_: it probably goes like this: a) load the kernel module that matches your tv-card. b) install tvtime or some other. c) start your tv watching app and be happy [15:24] <<<<< newbee with 6 yrs newbeesnes [15:25] ls [15:25] damn it! [15:25] yes ok but i cant install mythTV :( [15:25] that is probably going to require a little more than newbe skills :P [15:25] http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11602 [15:25] try that one ^^ [15:26] ... if you use KDE [15:26] Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev d0) [15:26] says alot :(:/ [15:26] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-180-229.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [15:26] i thouht the Philips chips were generally well suppoted? [15:27] Philips and Haupage seems to be among the favorites [15:27] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.62.64) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] so, uhm, this might be a stupid set of thoughts, but I'd like to see what some of you elder slackers think about it ( macavity, rworkman ); I was thinking earlier....about the boot process....and realized that it might be an unnecessary hardware limitation-- if we were to save the results of the boot process across the hardware and software in a certain way as to just restore it all instantly on power-on, you would really only [15:27] need to go through the boot process once, and commit it, wouldn't you? [15:27] this says lspci to me [15:28] dartmouth: sounds like suspend to disk. [15:28] sort of. im talking about a machine that you can unplug entirely and then turn back on and it is exactly how you left it. [15:29] or, in a state as if you just went through the boot process [15:29] only instead of a few minutes to get back on, it's back on instantly [15:29] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-151-143.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:29] MrTweek_: it should be supported [15:29] is this a valid theory? [15:30] nah, slackintosh seems to be very outdated :( [15:30] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-155-241.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:31] ok :) [15:31] dartmouth: you seem to forget that x86 is an inherently fsced up platform... [15:31] hmm but myth needs lame mp3 =( [15:31] (this would involve some of the boot process results/states/variables being stored in a ROM of some kind at a hardware level?) [15:31] when i try "./configure" [15:31] nater__ (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] macavity: yeah im talking about custom hardware but not that different from a modded up x86 [15:32] e.g. read only ram [15:32] eh. psuedo-read-only [15:32] dartmouth: the closest thing we get to this IS suspend2disk.. simply because only the userland can be saved that way. Far to much of the hardware needs delicate/complicated startup sequences [15:32] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:32] dartmouth: really, read some kernel code on how, say, a SATA controler is inittialized [15:32] hrm. sounds like our hardware is too randomly webbed together [15:32] not randomly [15:32] just [15:32] hacked [15:33] i mean you could probably make all of that much simpler [15:33] cityLights1 (n=cityLigh@bzq-84-108-42-233.cablep.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] hi all [15:33] dartmouth: "to a fool everything looks simple" ;-) [15:33] can anyone here help me with avahi? [15:34] I can't ping host.local [15:34] of course it sounds like what I'm talking about would involve new designs for all hardware from the ground up but im not seeing anything that would prevent something like this from being built, which makes me wonder why no has built it [15:34] *why no one [15:35] i mean we're talking about 5-10 second bootups [15:35] dartmouth: isnt that quite obvious? for the same reason that Intel and Redmond are still the biggies, despite them being technologically impaired [15:35] maybe shorter [15:35] because the world expects backwards compatibility [15:36] macavity: not always [15:36] and btw, my buddy gets 10 secconds boot time on his SSD [15:36] hmm [15:36] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:36] Wizard: well.. no *always*.. but often enough that it does, unfortunately, not make financial sense to try and go head to head with the established system [15:36] well you probably wouldn't have that at a hardware level but at a software level you would. i mean a standard linux system with standard filesystems, standard CPU (probably), most of this sounds like just a new kind of ram and a hacked kernel. [15:37] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:37] new firmware and designs for cd roms, new hard drives [15:37] what are you talking about?!? [15:37] Hi all. [15:37] backwards compatability [15:37] go read a fscing kernel driver, ok? [15:37] bah [15:37] 'qt-r964497' is before or after 'qt-4.5'? [15:38] Trying to choose the right driver for the Intel 82G33/G31 VGA card [15:38] ganeshix: are you on 12.2 [15:38] No, 12.1 [15:38] Action: dartmouth runs a good fsck on macavity [15:38] ganeshix: then you are out of luck i belive [15:39] It's running on vesa now. I just wonder if I should use any of the others on /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ [15:39] such as i128, i810 etc... [15:40] the one called "intel" should do the trick [15:40] *but* i seem to recall that G31/G33 did not have support at the time [15:40] I see... [15:40] intel_drv [15:40] so you probably need to compile xf86-video-intel-2.7.1-i486-1 yourself [15:41] but you can try setting Driver "intel" in xorg.conf and see if it works out [15:41] check intel(4) [15:42] macavity, just "intel", not intel_drv? [15:42] the _drv is automatically appended [15:42] I see... Thank you, macavity . I'll try that. [15:42] that is why it is called vesa_drv in the directory, but just Driver "vesa" in xorg.conf [15:42] I see now... [15:42] dartmouth: look in the intel(4) manpage under SUPPORTED HARDWARE [15:43] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:43] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:43] .... G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41 chipsets [15:43] that is what i have.. but i am on 2.7.1 [15:43] (and in a short while i will be on 2.8.0-git-master) [15:44] macavity: newb question, but the manpages -- intel(3), intel(4) it's all part of the same manpage, right? how does that work? [15:44] ganeshix: dont walk out on me when i am still talking to you :P [15:44] dartmouth: that was for ganeshix :P [15:44] question still holds, if i dont understand something about the structure of the manpages i need to know [15:44] juice (i=juice@ice-cold.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] dartmouth: if you see stuff like fubar(3) and fubar(5), then "man fubar" will give you fubar(3), but "man 5 fubar" will give you fubar(5) [15:45] juice (i=juice@ice-cold.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:45] so no, it is not the same manpage.. it is the manpage in that particular section of the man system [15:45] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] oh [15:46] neat [15:46] thank you [15:46] good exampl: printf(1) and printf(3) [15:46] how the hell do you keep track of context with number assignments to manpage, then? [15:46] *manpages [15:47] section 1 is user commands, section 3 is the programmers manual [15:47] etc etc [15:47] see man(1) for details [15:47] skatar (n=lupin@host252-41-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [15:48] haha [15:48] fair enough lol [15:48] i think you are starting to get the overall picture :P [15:49] UNIX were thought up and created by rather anal geeks who couldnt find a butterfinger in a seven-eleven if the items weren't alphabetically sorted [15:50] just think of the most square solution you can come up with, and it is probably how it is done :P [15:51] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) left ##slackware. [15:52] skatar (n=lupin@host252-41-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:53] dorin (n=dorin@92.84.59.28) joined ##slackware. [15:53] hallo [15:54] cityLights1 (n=cityLigh@bzq-84-108-42-233.cablep.bezeqint.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:56] macavity: i wish i knew people like that [15:56] and to be honest i wish the organization were a little more anal [15:57] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] dartmouth: which organisation? [15:57] speccy64 (n=mike@78.146.191.220) joined ##slackware. [15:57] the entire system [15:57] oh, go for BSD if you want that [15:57] i do [15:57] does anyone have a modem Speedtouch 330 (usb)? [15:58] although you go BSD and the FHS is all fscked [15:58] GNU+linux+whatever+someones-we-dream+xorg does not make up for an ordered system... eventhough Patrick *does* do a good job at keeping it sane [15:58] hey, in the -current Samba build script; Line 82: --with-smbmount \ needs to be changed to --with-cifsmount since --with-smbmount isn't recognized anymore..which might mean some mount scripts may need updating too but I'm not sure on that part yet. [15:58] dartmouth: the FHS is just some bonehead who thought he had a neat idea [15:59] dartmouth: POSIX does not mandate that much at all [15:59] macavity: it is a neat idea, no one just....sticks to it [15:59] macavity: i really should read those standards at some point [16:00] dartmouth: that is because said bonehead attempted to hijack the working process.. and that is to submit the idea for the POSIX review board, and have to working comitte iron out the idiocacies, vote it in, and publish the new standard [16:00] Looks a a negative needing to fix any mount scripts [16:00] dartmouth: this kind of idocracy happens all the time.. one more reason why i alling myself so closely with the GNU people [16:01] a a/like a [16:01] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.143.112) joined ##slackware. [16:01] speccy64 (n=mike@78.146.191.220) left irc: Client Quit [16:01] antiwire: i suggest you send a patch to Patric ASAP [16:01] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [16:02] antiwire: no kidding.. [16:02] Rugxulo (n=chatzill@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] no kidding about what? [16:02] antiwire: we are at RC1 stage.. so you better be bloody quick about it :P [16:02] .... [16:02] Action: antiwire slaps macavity [16:02] dumb question: is install #1 also a liveCD? [16:03] Rugxulo: no [16:03] Rugxulo: there is no Slackware liveCD [16:03] well, which disc is GCC etc. located on? [16:03] Rugxulo: cd1 [16:04] Rugxulo: CD1 will give you a working system without X [16:04] okay, thanks [16:05] Rugxulo: then you can just run "slackpkg install x kde" or something afterwards [16:07] JasonosaJ_ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-223-178.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] quit [16:07] JasonosaJ_ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-223-178.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:07] fail [16:07] abort [16:07] retry [16:07] exit [16:07] die [16:07] bye [16:07] segfault [16:08] return 0; [16:08] kernel panic [16:08] halt [16:08] are you as bored as i am? [16:08] jerkwire did something cool for slackware, i'm jealous [16:08] [ in bed ] [16:08] i just leech off all your guys' work [16:08] dartmouth: just keep baning the rocks together, and eventually you will figure out how to make fire [16:09] *banging [16:09] nah i'll just pay someone [16:09] macavity: yeah, and probably set himself on fire in the process. [16:09] fire|bird: well.. if at first you dont succede :P [16:09] try...try....again. ;) [16:09] Action: macavity cant spell [16:09] 'or secede' [16:10] or "sedate"? :P [16:10] anyhow.. time to whip up some chow :-) [16:11] bbiab [16:12] sent patch in [16:14] it was really hard http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/QSzNUa22.html [16:14] ;) [16:15] ooooh slackadelic is back up [16:15] sweet [16:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-108.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:17] has anyone ever made an ultra-small Linux distro that had GCC on it? [16:18] i imagine arch has it [16:18] Rugxulo: totally useless? :) [16:18] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.249) joined ##slackware. [16:19] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.11.189) joined ##slackware. [16:19] no, totally useless is having cc1 and nothing else (Fedora 11) ;-) [16:19] <_RadioHead> evening people [16:20] Rugxulo: CLFS provides just that [16:20] CLFS? [16:20] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-7-108.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Rugxulo: just ditch rpm and rm -rf /usr/doc/* [16:21] why? [16:21] erre.. from the CLFS recipie that is.. that will give you a very minimalistic system with a full dev system [16:21] look it up :-) [16:21] I know what LFS is [16:21] CLFS, not so sure [16:22] mmmm bare linux [16:22] it's like robot porn [16:22] only smarter [16:22] Action: dartmouth eats a donut off the floor [16:23] Rugxulo: CLFS is the successor of LFS.. just designed to be cross compilable [16:23] CLFS = Cross Linux From Scratch http://trac.cross-lfs.org/ [16:23] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [16:23] Rugxulo: personally i find it the cleanest way to detach your self from the host distro [16:24] Rugxulo: so i "cross compile" from x86 to x86 [16:24] Action: Rugxulo is just slightly irritated at all the Linux distros not offering GCC "out of the box" while always (!) including bigger, bloatier, less useful stuff [16:24] or x86_64 to x86_64 [16:26] Rugxulo: slackware is very very small if you know how to install it [16:26] < 50 MB? (doubt it) [16:26] no [16:26] of course not [16:26] 250 MB, I'm guessing [16:26] probably not [16:27] I got 9.1 under 100MB for my router. [16:27] i haven't had a need to make a small system with it, i just know you can pick and choose what goes on it [16:28] dorin (n=dorin@92.84.59.28) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] what i love about slackware is that you can customize the hell out of the install disc before burning it. if you feel like the standard is too bloated you can do some educated package stripping and adding [16:29] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.50.113) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.249) left irc: "Leaving." [16:29] woke up this morning in beth israel [16:29] was a slightly odd night [16:29] haha. must have been some huge party. [16:30] tiny core is 10mb [16:30] microcore is even smaller [16:30] svn: error while loading shared libraries: libneon.so.25: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [16:30] but no X [16:30] holy crap :D [16:31] it's by the (former) DamnSmallLinux dude [16:31] AnimeHendrix (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [16:32] dartmouth, coyote ugly is an awesome bar [16:32] bartenders and general skanks dancing on the bar...was cool [16:33] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] well thats more fun than what I did [16:34] dartmouth, the only problem, the wife and i didn't stop drinking early enough [16:34] dartmouth, she ended up getting really sick on the subway platform [16:35] brklynRednek, dartmouth's job wasn't fun.. he had to stand around sarah palin and correct every dumb thing she said.. so he finally quit and she had no hope so she resigned [16:35] Wizard: do a full install [16:35] jeev: you really need to turn off Fox news [16:35] seriously [16:36] jeev: haha [16:36] jeev: that chick was a fscking disgrace to our party [16:36] dartmouth, no kidding [16:36] lol antiwire, i dont watch fox news [16:36] dartmouth, im not in your party!!! i have a brain [16:37] antiwire, dont make me cmoe up there and wack you [16:37] dartmouth, agreed, she was disgrace to our party [16:37] jeev: oh, you must be confused because i am a republican [16:37] jeev: so if you have a brain, you must be as well. its hard to tell these things on the internet. [16:37] ahhhhhhhhhhhahahahahhaha! [16:38] republican's guide to being doofus's, 10 bux. talking about sarah palin, a few hours on the internet.. having a bunch of rednecks tell the world they're republicans.. priceless [16:39] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:39] how is Gov. Palin more of a disgrace than every other governor? [16:39] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:39] they all have their issues (i.e. they all suck in some ways) [16:40] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@201.51.138.48) joined ##slackware. [16:40] nom nom nom :-9~~ [16:40] Action: macavity haz f00d! [16:40] besides, Alaska's way the hell up there away from most people, so who cares? :-P [16:40] Rugxulo, because i can see russia from the internet! [16:41] priviet [16:41] i can see urmomma from the internet :P [16:41] Rugxulo: nestrovje! [16:41] gesundheit! [16:41] reminds me of the couple I was talking to at the montana/alberta border, "So we should be in alaska in a couple hours right?" good lord [16:42] ayhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [16:42] privet mofo's, time to parastroika out of here [16:42] Rugxulo: it means Cheers [16:42] Action: Rugxulo thought it meant The Cosby Show [16:43] lol [16:43] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Action: macavity hereby declares food the greatest invention 3v4rz! [16:44] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [16:44] people really ought to do a lot more research in this area.. i think a fortune could be made here [16:45] ... oh wait :P [16:45] bah, U.S. gubment has sterilized and we've artificialized most of the taste and nutrients out of everything anyways [16:45] it's all plastic-tasting crap now [16:45] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:46] funny how everything brags about a "real fruit" taste without being real fruit [16:46] Rugxulo: ok.. then i'll just stay here in Europe where the food is still good ;-) [16:46] I was gonna say "yes, please do" but that sounds mean ... I mean, "Enjoy!" ;-) [16:46] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [16:46] teehee :-) [16:47] seriously, some of our food ... ugh [16:47] Rugxulo: not to be mean but.. errm... how about: http://www.funny-games.biz/images/pictures/1195-europe-vs-usa.jpg ;-) [16:48] heh [16:48] uh, then don't buy processed foods [16:48] bu raw foods and cook them yourself [16:48] antiwire: i wouldn't dream of it :-) [16:48] grow what you can in a garden if you can [16:48] although I doubt any woman would not notice if she was like #1 in that pic [16:48] macavity: rotfl! [16:48] MrTweek_ (n=MrTweek@dyndsl-085-016-219-068.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:48] macavity: good that i'm in Europe :D [16:49] antiwire: the only thing i get ready made is rye bread [16:49] antiwire: since sour dough is a hassle [16:50] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [16:51] daidoji (n=daidoji7@c-24-20-216-14.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Rugxulo: kinky women does that on purpose :P [16:51] yeah, but not THAT low (that I've seen) [16:51] Rugxulo: ok.. not unless she has to hook out, no :P [16:53] oh.. apple juice is good with eggs with the sunny side up :-) [16:54] anyone built alpine from current recently? [16:55] is that your only question? [16:55] Megabyte (i=Administ@201.78.168.213) joined ##slackware. [16:55] daidoji: does it not build? [16:55] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-7-108.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:55] Is the slackware site down? [16:56] Megabyte: yes [16:56] macavity, Why is it? [16:56] whoa :/ [16:56] Megabyte: roumor has it that it is a hardware failure, but info is scarce at the moment [16:56] 'cause they haven't upgraded to Vista SP2 yet .... bwahahaha j/k [16:56] :D [16:56] Rugxulo, bwahahaha... that's evil [16:56] Megabyte: even the crew members seem to know very little [16:56] does slackware.com runs slackware? [16:56] :P [16:56] macavity: the "stragne" thing is that ftp.slackware.com is up [16:57] nope, gentoo [16:57] skatar: i belive ftp.slackware.com is forwarded to osousel [16:57] or how the heck it is spelled [16:57] lol [16:57] skatar: emphasis on *belive* [16:57] hehe [16:57] thrice`: really? [16:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-170.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Wizard: of course not. [16:58] daidoji: does it refuse to build vanilla style? [16:58] macavity, nope and I can't figure out why [16:58] unixfool (n=ron@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [16:58] thrice`: :( [16:58] sup [16:58] ok guys. the channel stats page is fixed [16:58] haven't tried that yet, was gonna be next if none of you had run into any problems [16:58] shit, i should take off this hostmask [16:58] Fish (n=Fish@AVelizy-152-1-38-245.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:58] notice that the url has changed, tho [16:59] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [16:59] unixfool: thx :-) [16:59] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [16:59] np [16:59] its been long overdue [16:59] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] daidoji: if you cant get it to build in its unmodified state, please tell us (or mail patrick) [17:00] great...i think its still not working...at least the cron job isn't [17:00] unixfool: thanks :) [17:00] any tried using Chrome yet? [17:00] macavity: it doesn't seem to build [17:00] unixfool: irsstat? [17:00] i saw that script somewhere [17:01] hey, when was Old_Fogie online? [17:01] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:02] pisg is fine...i don't think there's a need to change to another software at this moment in time [17:02] ah, right, pisg.. [17:02] macavity: yeah there's a few on the list that haven't been here in a long time [17:03] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-3-128.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:04] i'll take a look at it anyways, though [17:04] unixfool, so how often do you shift this? or is this a 'since the script started looking' thing [17:05] chopp: it looks very much like the last one [17:05] chopp: ... as this one too makes me and Old_Fogie sand out like IRC junkies ;-) [17:06] *stand [17:06] (there, fixed it for ya) [17:06] macavity: haha, imagine that :) [17:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [17:06] Rugxulo: i can haz in unified patch format next time? kkthxbai! :P [17:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:06] haha, I'm #1 for most nicknames. :P [17:06] fire|bird: we've noticed.... :P [17:07] macavity: :) [17:07] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:07] macavity: also #2 for most active. [17:07] funny, i didn't make the list [17:07] fire|bird: just be glad i dont have +o :P [17:07] :O [17:07] brklynRednek: it takes dedication ma'boy :P [17:08] macavity, yeah, i go out and live...idling here [17:08] brklynRednek: that wont get you famous ;-) [17:08] macavity: you wouldn't kick me, would ya? :( :P [17:09] brklynRednek not famous come on. I mean to idle in ##slackware one must be famous [17:09] fire|bird: he'd kick us all :P [17:09] chopp: I think he would to. [17:09] fire|bird: again, how many times did you change nick last night? :P [17:09] macavity: I didn't change at all last night. [17:09] Rugxulo (n=chatzill@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [17:10] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "leaving" [17:10] oh? [17:10] Action: dartmouth has a f*n stalker [17:10] then i will just accuse you for no other reason :P [17:10] i wonder if my slackware hat is in at the mail drop [17:10] macavity: :P [17:10] dartmouth: no, you are a fan stalker :P [17:10] anyone know why slackware.com is down? [17:10] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/slackware.com [17:10] macavity: haha [17:10] sure looks like it [17:10] sitwon: Problems. [17:11] macavity: its real weird. there was this guy in ##windows who was using the name of my company as his nick. i check his host and he's like 30 miles from me. [17:11] in maine [17:11] ... [17:11] dartmouth: what is the name of your company? [17:12] Generic Nodes, LLC [17:12] good.. ill remember to stay clear ;-) [17:13] it's just real sketchy. he swears up and down that he is not up to something, but the guy literally lives a couple dozen miles away, and is a heavy linux user, and I took over the south district for the Maine LUG last year, I don't know man it's sketchy. [17:14] you "took over the south district for the Main LUG"? [17:14] macavity: from the stats: macavity talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 87 times! [17:15] :P [17:15] fire|bird: yes.. i do that when i am bored :P [17:15] macavity: no kidding. :P [17:15] fire|bird: ... or when i am educating newbs [17:15] macavity: maine not main lol [17:15] does anybody use pkgsrc? :P [17:16] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [17:16] macavity: oh wow, I've said 179,006 words. :P [17:16] yes, in 193 days [17:17] i think that thingie is somewhat off [17:17] skatar (n=lupin@host252-41-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [17:17] it must miss some days of each month or something [17:17] ahh.. no, that is hours [17:17] silly me [17:17] macavity: haha [17:17] (and now i just earned myself another "talking to himself") [17:17] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [17:18] macavity: does that # of words show that I talk to much? :P [17:18] eh, well, compared to Urchlay (243,193 words), I don't. :P [17:18] lets start IRC Adicts Annonymous [17:18] we will naturally hold meetings online :P [17:18] IAA? or IRCAA? [17:18] haha [17:18] of course [17:19] "i would like to selebrate, uhm, 0secs of being clean" :P [17:19] lol [17:19] ok, i just had five good secs, but then i felt the urge to type again [17:19] "oh....crap, I typed on irc again. AHHHH, this addiction is taking over." [17:20] make it stop, doc, make it stop. :P [17:20] Action: VampirePenguin gives fire|bird some seroquel [17:21] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:21] My mood doesn't need to be stabalized thank you very much. [17:21] oh boy the topic is mood stabilizers [17:21] its not a mood stabilizer [17:21] what drugs are you talking about? [17:22] seroquel [17:22] lol [17:22] VampirePenguin: it's for bipolar disorder. [17:22] why did i miss that channel? [17:22] you're crazy [17:22] :P [17:22] no its for anti-pschotics and sleeep [17:22] I'm not bipolar you insensitive clod [17:22] seroquel actually is marketed as a mood stabilizer [17:23] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.249) joined ##slackware. [17:23] fire|bird, wanted to stop his irc addiction so i was giving him something to sleep so then he couldnt type [17:24] valium will do it [17:24] xanax too [17:24] said nothing about bi-polar [17:24] VampirePenguin: that was all joking of course. :P [17:24] oh man xanax does [17:24] VampirePenguin: google it, read for yourself. [17:24] it is fire|bird :) [17:24] are youuuu ready?.......are youuuu ready?.......FIGHT [17:24] swufc [17:24] Action: macavity jumps to the battle guns blazing [17:25] Action: fire|bird aims the duke3d freezer at VampirePenguin [17:25] Action: VampirePenguin crosses one arm infront of his face holding his forehead and aces the other arm thru in a fist... kk assume the positin [17:25] btw, i think i have invented a crossbreed between hollow point and rocket ammo, intened for regular rifles [17:26] but now i shall renounce my IRC religion [17:26] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:26] ... at least untill i am done watching the new Wolverine movie ;-P [17:26] oh bless u my son [17:27] ok, actually i cant keep that anymore [17:27] is it out now macavity [17:27] brklynRednek i upgraded pisg in Jan...that's when i changed the dir to stats2/. i've only changed it once since we've been running channel stats [17:27] now that yakuake is truely transparent, i just pull it over the movie at the slow passages to see what you guys are doing :P [17:27] yes, i am THAT pathetic [17:28] how did you get yakuake to work in kde 4... i cant its seems like it still wants kde 3deps [17:28] VampirePenguin: you have to get the qt4 build of it. [17:28] ?!? [17:28] macavity: yakuake is great. [17:28] i *think* i just downloaded it from sbo [17:29] fire|bird: its better [17:29] hmmmm [17:29] macavity: I tried that on current ant it didn't work from SBo. [17:29] let me try again... yak, guake all fun [17:29] fire|bird: in fact, i would go as far as saying that it is the single most enabling app i have [17:29] my sbo didnt work eitehr [17:29] macavity: that could be true. [17:29] oh, yes, i took the sbo script, and updated the source to the latest version [17:30] fire|bird: fortunately, on the danish keyboard, the butten next to the top row [1] only has useless chars on it [17:30] ok.. the same thing i had to do with tpidgin the other day [17:30] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:30] fire|bird: so can actually have the keybinding the same place as the console is located in Quake :P [17:30] VampirePenguin: seroquel is for which kind of bipolar? [17:31] macavity: nice. [17:31] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:31] seroqeul by fda is an anti-psychotic [17:31] and helps with sleep [17:32] its not just for bipolar [17:32] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [17:32] its not just for which kind of bipolar? [17:32] Pierre17 (n=Pierre17@c-98-230-189-247.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] the whole spectrum of bp can use it [17:32] www.slackware.com is down? [17:32] there are 6 cleasses [17:32] Pierre17: yes [17:32] nevermind, wikipedia says bipolar I [17:32] wikipeia wrong [17:33] maybe someone should just fix the topic to say slackware.com is down [17:33] fire|bird| what happen [17:33] Pierre17: I don't know. [17:33] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.93.247) joined ##slackware. [17:33] ftp is still up luckily [17:33] Pierre17, Steve Baller will take care of that too %) [17:34] wikipedia isn't wrong. this is from the seroquel website: "SEROQUEL is a mood-stabilizing medication approved by the FDA to treat both the highs and lows of bipolar disorder" [17:34] steve baller? [17:34] so that windows paradise will finally come to earth mwahaha [17:34] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [17:34] it has multiple uses [17:34] that was called xp [17:35] sp3 [17:35] its official classification is anti-psychotic atypical [17:35] john_dee: that's Steve Ballmer. ;) [17:35] its tendencies do stablize moods because it calms and causes sleep [17:35] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:36] ballfur? [17:36] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.249) left irc: "Leaving" [17:36] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [17:37] fire|bird, doesn't it just make his name sound tougher? lol :D [17:37] but its used across a wide range of MI inconjunction with the DSM V .. for BP, schizophrenia, borderline peronality, nd others [17:37] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:37] hi, if i create a package using a slackbuilds script on pc A, and i then move that slackpackage to pc B, which has a differnt hardware configuration, will the package install assuming that there are no additional dependencies? for the purpose of this question, the slackbuild script was not modified at all. [17:38] john_dee: haha, maybe, yeah. :P [17:38] blkdg: yep [17:38] blkdg| hardware configuration wont matter [17:38] it sets hardware-independent CFLAGS and such [17:38] and slackpacks will ALWAYS install [17:38] blkdg: packages built on clean systems can be installed on other systems provided that the versions of Slackware on each system are compatible [17:39] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-89-216-128-194.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [17:39] nooper, i am bp2 and i use it for sleep and it helps for anxiety/panic attacks [17:39] It's generally considered a bad idea to mix packages between versions of Slackware but that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions that would work fine. [17:40] i too drug myself because i cant deal with who i am [17:40] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:40] k [17:41] i always think of dead babies in a glad bag [17:41] Pierre17: Were those two comments supposed to be funny or were they pop shots are people taking steps to help themselves? [17:41] becoming chemically lobotomized to near comatose levels makes the voices stop [17:41] are/at* [17:42] Coolmax89 (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-136.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:42] i <3 merck [17:42] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-3-128.multimo.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:42] excellent! thanks again [17:42] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [17:43] Pierre17: Do you think it is wrong of people to assess themselves and seek out the available options they have for helping themselves get better or learn to cope with a condition? [17:44] VampirePenguin: for me? [17:44] hey BP{k} [17:44] howdy :) [17:44] for you what? [17:44] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.36) left irc: [17:45] Heya BP{k}, how's it going? [17:45] --> "[21:37] ( VampirePenguin) but its used across a wide range of MI inconjunction the DSM V .. for BP", ;) [17:45] fire|bird: not bad :) [17:46] check out the new httpd and php for slack 12.2 [17:46] bp == bipolar 1-6 [17:46] working well [17:46] macavity, whats your vers ion yakuake... i have 2.8.1 in slackbuild on sbopkg [17:46] BP{k}: Did you get your mail converted for claws? If so, did it go well? [17:46] VampirePenguin: 2.9.6 [17:46] kk gotta go hunting [17:47] VampirePenguin: yakuake.kde.org [17:47] ty sir [17:47] ive been working on my conky config for 5 months now [17:47] almost got it perfect [17:47] Pierre17: wow, what does it span across 10 screens or something. :P [17:47] v2.9.6 for KDE 4 released on May 19th 2009. [17:47] v2.8.1 for KDE 3 released on January 17th 2008. [17:48] sourceforge is behind [17:48] fire|bird| alerts me to new youporns [17:48] ;) [17:48] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:48] whoa 5 months on a .conkyrc [17:49] that thing better make my breakfassrt and wipe my arse [17:49] if it takes 5 months to get a "perfect" conky config I suggest gkrellm. geesh [17:49] fire|bird: I did. Doing the long way around but all works now, I just need to set up a couple of filtering rules again. But I can live with that :) [17:49] BP{k}: cool, glad it worked for you, even though it needed so trickery. :P [17:49] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:50] s/so/some/ [17:50] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] BP{k}: If you have more than one e-mail account, you may want to use processing instead of filters, otherwise, the same rules will span across all accounts, which is sometimes not wanted. [17:51] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] VampirePenguin: DSM V is out? [17:51] and btw, psychotopic drugs will kill you. and DSM is a pile of sh%t. [17:51] nooper, ya i think that the current one [17:51] y0 dtanner. [17:52] sup fire|bird [17:52] fire|bird: ah, it's not too much of a biggie, it's basically to direct various mailing list to the right folder :) [17:52] dtanner, now tell us what u really think [17:52] ;) [17:53] http://www.osnews.com/story/21774/iPhone_Hole_Found_Getting_Patched [17:53] Crazy. [17:53] anyone use DirectFB for anything? [17:54] dtanner: nothing much atm, yourself? [17:54] well, this room is frequently off topic prolly due to the fact that we don't have a lot of ognorant questions.. in any event. I take it very seriously about being anti-psychiatry. talk to a psychologist and don't take the drugs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry:_An_Industry_of_Death [17:54] illuz1oN| welcome to 4 days ago [17:54] of course opinions are like a$$holes.. everybody has one. [17:55] lol [17:55] dtanner| you are right though [17:55] hahaha [17:55] hey this yakuake page keeps ending me in a loop and i dont see a dl link for 2.9.6 [17:56] unless you are like me always thinking of dead babies, then get as many drugs as you can and grind/snort [17:56] VampirePenguin: http://download.berlios.de/yakuake/yakuake-2.9.6.tar.bz2 [17:56] ok fire|bird [17:59] Pierre17: well, there is a difference from "real" mental illness and giving someone piles of drugs because they are "unhappy". they are no valid tests for any of the "diseases" in the DSM. they are ways for the docs to make money. according to the DSM "everyone" has a mental illness. [18:00] arno (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] dtanner: Have you ever dealt with random, unexplained panic attacks? [18:01] oh taht site is a church of scientology proaganda thing like tom cruises thiing on oprah [18:01] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] Like many things, the truth is probably somewhere in between, but dtanner is more right than wrong, if wrong at all. [18:02] yes, but many drugs are not the answer. we should prolly take this up in another # though. It is all debateable except for the facts about the drugs they give people. specifically the Atypicals and anti-depressants. [18:03] I'm going to agree with dtanner. Sure, there are things that psychiatry can help with, but it's really more guessing than science. [18:03] When they guess right, great. When they don't ... yikes. [18:03] Indeed. [18:03] but okay, it is OT, so I'm done. [18:03] Do you guys understand that there are different methods of application with all of these drugs? For many people, a few courses of the right drug and counsel are the key. [18:04] Me too, I guess. :) [18:04] after that, they don't need either and it works quite often [18:04] yeah, metoo. i could ramble about this but we really should go to another room to talk about it. it is a deep and fragile subject. [18:05] any medicaldoctor you go to is guessing that why they call it a practice [18:06] You think an MD looking at a broken arm in an xray is guessing? [18:07] medical doctors (if they are worth a shit) have actual tests that have actual medical backing to prove real medical problems. [18:08] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:14] VampirePenguin: We weren't talking about how the industry arrived at its current level of understanding of xrays. you said all MDs are guessing and that's simply not the case. [18:14] bah [18:15] rworkman: after uninstalling policykit and re-installing the hald from 12.2 automounting works fine. [18:15] ya i had to restart hal yesterday after burning a a dvd, when i placed an sd card it wouldnt mount at all... then it all worked [18:15] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [18:16] rworkman: so it is either a) a policykit bug or b) editing needed in policykit.conf [18:16] antiwire, but you have to talk about wehere they cam from... they originators named it a practice for tha very reasson.. they had to figure out somehow thru some methiod what to do [18:16] rworkman: i am going to work on it more tonight and will keep you updated if you are interested. [18:17] dtanner, why doesnt policykit just read /et/groups [18:17] its a stupid layer [18:17] VampirePenguin: You're just twisting your overgeneralized comment into a history examination. [18:17] VampirePenguin: stupid or not I have to narrow down and find the solution. [18:18] dtanner, well we for the most part got it working ... something is causing hickups [18:18] MDs aren't all or always guessing. There is certainly a fair amount of scientific method and guessing involved but it's not always some shot in the dark guess [18:18] jlc (n=justin@76.215.136.197) joined ##slackware. [18:18] VampirePenguin: yup. i noticed the intermittent behaviour also. [18:19] it was funnny the dvd burner i used wouldnt burn with a gui but buned fine on cli .. i couldnt mount it any other way [18:20] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [18:20] thats when my sd card wouldnt work and restarted hal and it ws fine [18:20] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [18:20] did someone see my question on the slackbuild for sbopkg [18:21] Not all doctors feel like that should listen or need to listen to their patients either. My doctor will sit down with me and talk to me for hours straight. If I have questions he tries his best to talk to me about my questions. We have two sided conversations. Saying that they are all guessing or aren't worth a shit is really not fair to the one who really try. [18:21] whoa muy desktop just tripped me out [18:22] it was all on one screen with like minature views [18:22] howd i do that [18:22] VampirePenguin: are you running compiz? [18:23] no [18:23] I can sympathize with people who have dealt with jaded or burned out doctors, though. [18:23] it was like a tiling but nt tiled of every app i have running [18:23] VampirePenguin: just curious, you can do that by aliding your cursor into the right corner of your desktop with compiz [18:23] s/aliding/sliding/ [18:24] well not this wasnt an activity [18:24] which i cant do bc it shoots up my cpu levels to max [18:24] this was all on one desktop with every app minaturized [18:25] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.100.250) joined ##slackware. [18:27] iluminator101 (n=iluminat@ool-4578d704.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] How do you find out if someone is doing a tcpdump on you? [18:28] Get out of the tcptoilet and stop worrying about it! ba-da-BOOM [18:28] iluminator101: If they are doing it properly it is nearly impossible. There are some ways to detect sniffing but it depends on the methods that the attacker is using [18:28] lpf filter [18:28] ? [18:28] tcpdump doesn't send anything to anyone [18:29] if it's on the same machine, top / ps and friends [18:29] afk [18:29] if they are just plain out sniffing with a nic in promisc mode, ettercap has methods to scan and detect nics in promisc mode [18:29] but the actual sniffing isn't not detectable [18:29] is not* [18:30] here is what i did http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d5a0bf7ff [18:30] iluminator101: are you on a wired or wireless medium? what about the attacker? [18:30] wired [18:31] if tcpdump is resolving you can detect massive arp transactions [18:31] along with DNS [18:31] thats from this command tcpdump -d host [18:31] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:32] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:32] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] i get hits...udp hits i thought after i configured psad that i wouldnt get those hits [18:38] well when i did netstat -g i realized there was links that wasnt supported to be even when i wasnt using an online application....i found a round about way disengage that feature...but. [18:38] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:39] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] if you look the pastebin 000 idh shouldnt 12 from what i know....if it is 12 there is a dump setup, am i right on this? [18:40] If you're asking me, I have no idea what you're talking about [18:41] I see your paste but the output might as well be Swahili [18:41] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4659 [18:43] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [18:44] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6133.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] is it possible to startup a windows install on a harddrive partition in qemu? [18:50] what i am saying is since the first 000 idh is 12 from pastebin, i am being filtered on? [18:50] e.g. not use disk images, but actual disks? [18:50] antiwire: I thought you of anybody would have an Swahili plugin :P [18:51] asterisk888 (n=diddus@ip-115-90.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:51] asterisk888 (n=diddus@ip-115-90.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) left ##slackware. [18:52] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Action: C_Tux bites antler [18:53] Action: antler scratches his butt, "ow! that hurt!" [18:54] man with my 8 fans and a broken northbridge chipset fan, it sounds like there's a huey right outside my window [18:56] Action: C_Tux hands antler a hammer [18:57] silence that [18:57] Nick change: powtrix__ -> powtrix [18:58] so how doo you know that ain't me flying a Huey outside your pad? [18:58] and if i close my eyes, i can almost hear the stones' "paint it black" and enemy voices closeby [18:58] jlc (n=justin@76.215.136.197) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:59] China Beach? [19:00] it must be; it's hot and humid here and even the fans don't help [19:02] antler: you shouldn't have tweaked out so much in nam, man, you're losin it [19:02] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:03] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:03] just wait until the asians in black pajamas start creeping in [19:03] with ak47s [19:03] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.100.250) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:04] Action: panzer grabs AKM and fires of a clip. after putting on the black pj's [19:04] is it possible to startup a windows install on a real partition in qemu? [19:04] next morning, i wake up to find myself on the floor in only a pair of shorts and a 40 of jd in my right hand. there's an asian woman lying on my bed, apparently still drunk from last night's fervor. [19:04] antler: be more afraid of the SVD's [19:04] Action: brklynRednek grabs an m-16 and screams something vaguely arabic at antler [19:06] come on one needs bigger bullets. atleast keep your M14 [19:06] oh, wrong conflict [19:06] anyone? [19:06] does anyone know [19:07] dartmouth, not that i'm aware of [19:07] weird [19:07] is there an emulator that can do thsi? [19:07] we are talking of vietnam. where the M16 was first being used and the M14 was still in partial service. fired a heavier round [19:07] yeah, i was referring to gulf war, where the iraqis generally had the same rifles, iirc [19:08] 40 yo SVD will kill no worries. [19:08] the new X Men movie is OK [19:08] dartmouth: why not a virtualbox setup? [19:09] virtualbox? [19:10] do I have to google for you too? [19:10] no i found it in slackbuilds it just looks like a massive set of apps [19:10] i took a swig from my 40 and made for the bamboo window. the heat was stiffling, even for 7am. panzer stood below, the jailhouse tats accented his muscular biceps as he held his m-16, ready for action, but totally at ease. "he's soo hot," thought dartmouth who, by that time, was rubbing himself as he looked from the window directly across. [19:11] i may be better off mounting an iso on a loopback device and then syncing the contents of the iso with the partition somehow and having qemu just use that [19:11] I used an arc welder to defuzz my drill batteries and they work freaking awesome again [19:12] antiwire, cool [19:12] antiwire: you should start blogging about the imaginary life in ##slackware :P [19:12] antler: I got nothing sorry [19:12] macavity: what's that? [19:12] slackboy? [19:12] err [19:12] antler: ^^ [19:13] Action: macavity got pwned by tab completion [19:13] macavity: no worries I think someone maybe is going to noobfarm it [19:13] "someone"? :P [19:14] yea the person in one of the builds neither me or antler or dartmouth are in [19:14] well, it's a story about how two men fell in love in vietnam [19:14] oh a love story with guns. [19:15] any love story should have big guns :P [19:15] manwo flick then [19:15] "i like your gun, panzer ," said dartmouth . <---- excerpt [19:15] heh [19:16] "then suck on this dartmouth", said panzer [19:16] hey I named her Betsy not "this" [19:16] :P [19:17] haha [19:17] i have always wanted to hear someone sing a christmas carrol with an M16 half way down their throat [19:17] Hey antler, how's it going? [19:17] I'm not sure thats the gun that was in mind [19:17] gar0t0 (n=Tiago@189-69-81-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:17] preferably one that has an M203 fitted :P [19:17] Action: dartmouth is very uncomfortable with the homoerotic nature of this channel over the last few hours [19:17] lol [19:18] I can't stop laughing [19:18] hey fire|bird :)good, thanks. how's are you? [19:18] dartmouth: pick up the soap! :P [19:18] antler: doing excellent, thanks. :) [19:18] Good night ppl :) [19:18] macavity: hahaha. [19:18] Hey gar0t0 [19:18] g'nite gar0t0 [19:18] fire|bird: :) [19:18] macavity: hey :) [19:18] gar0t0: how are you? [19:19] gar0t0: you are probably going to sleep SO nice after this little session :P [19:19] macavity: if SO nice = nightmares. :P [19:19] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-246.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] fire|bird: fine, and you? [19:20] macavity: hehe sorry! good evening [19:20] Action: dartmouth thinks panzer is a navy-boy [19:20] macavity: in portuguese good evening == boa noite, good night == boa noite [19:20] gar0t0: ah, ok :-) [19:21] gar0t0: in taht case: "hello" :P [19:21] *that [19:21] dartmouth: did you not see the greens and the tats come on. [19:21] ;) [19:22] panzer: well, for starters, every navy-boy is a navy-boy because he couldn't get into the air-force or wasn't tough enough for the army or marines. so this says nothing, I know you guys are fanbois. [19:22] gar0t0: doing excellent, thanks. :) [19:23] dartmouth: the marines are navy bois too.. just dont tell them if you know what is good for you :P [19:23] you didn't see the one across panzer 's shoulders "Property of US Army"? [19:23] macavity: wouldn't dream of it. they're like the navy, only straight, and tougher. [19:24] dartmouth: ^^ [19:24] antler: oh, my bad, I thought that was a covered up anchor. [19:24] looks like bigger guns are needed for this one. [19:24] dartmouth: well.. since i am from the armoured artillery, i think anyone in a boat is gay ;-) [19:24] dartmouth: no, the anchor is what you're sporting on your right forearm [19:25] hah. [19:25] oh boy. someone googled me. stalker. [19:25] Hell From Above Inc.... We work directly for God! :P [19:25] ^ I agree with everything about this [19:25] enjoyed the Murder Inc. [19:26] You don't hear the shot cause you are already dead [19:26] No I don't hear the shot because I'm dropping bombs on it. [19:26] omfg how the hell do i figure out what vga card A is, if: 1) don't wanna hook A up to a linux box and 2) A's labels are all scratched off ? [19:27] panzer: with 155mm shock shells you dont even register the blitz before it is over [19:27] someone has to call those in [19:27] panzer: yeah its you guys on the boat, right? [19:27] antler: you look it up in windows hardware gizzmo, and see its PCI vendor string [19:28] macavity: oh nice [19:28] Action: antler is as excited as a 12 year old girl that sees donnie from new kids on the block [19:29] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] antler: then you give that to someone in here, who in terms grep /usr/share/pci.ids for it [19:29] antiwire, 12 year old girls don [19:29] don't get excited over the 'new kids' anymore [19:29] it shows your age [19:30] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [19:30] macavity: where exactly is the windows hardware gizzmo thingie? [19:31] antler: i couldnt tell you.. i know how to click my way in there, but i couldnt describe it to you if my life depended on it [19:31] raela (n=raela@cpe-098-025-047-136.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:31] haha [19:31] antler: but i THINK you go to the control center, and find the device manager [19:31] if that is its name.. [19:31] bot-net (n=void@209.180.207.66) joined ##slackware. [19:31] then you find the device on the list, right click and pick properties [19:31] oh hai [19:32] what could someone have done to make all characters in X render as boxes? [19:32] then you find the tab that has the advanced or something, and find the spin box that will let you pick "hardware id" [19:32] cause i seem to have done that... [19:32] anyone use DirectFB with links-2.2 browser? [19:32] control panel>system>device manager [19:32] then you see something in the form of "PCI\233423476\SUBSYS\32324247"or something akin to that [19:32] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] panzer++ [19:33] got to have it here sometimes for the customers. [19:33] hey don't use my nick in the same sentence as "12 year old girls" [19:33] Or girls, for that matter [19:33] :) [19:33] Xorg.0.log reports no errors, it had been working, i installed some packages, and now....that [19:33] macavity: oh, device manager. i looked there, but since the driver is not installed for it, it lists nothing. [19:33] antler: if you can just paste that odd looking string to me i can disect it into real vendor and PCI ids [19:33] antler: actually it is [19:34] antiwire, oh, forgot, you and michael jackson were compatriats [19:34] macavity: oh, let me have a closer look [19:34] antler: i know that what you are looking for is there even if the driver is not installed... its the way i diagnose what hardware is in the box [19:34] Or..you could use Unknown Devices [19:34] antler: ive done this a million times with Vista laptops that need to be converted to XP [19:34] It has a look up table like lspci does [19:34] It tells you what the hardware is [19:35] It also tells you the vendor/product ID easily [19:35] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:35] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-246-36.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:35] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [19:35] macavity: oh. ati radeon x300 [19:35] does site is on? I can not connect there [19:35] oneesan (n=oneesan@200.93.17.173) joined ##slackware. [19:36] powtrix: huh? [19:37] hello, does pkgtool-12.1.0 handle .tgz and txz? [19:37] im trying to load www.slackware.com but it doesn't load [19:37] powtrix: do you mean "is slackware.com still down?" [19:37] powtrix: yes, it is still down [19:37] oneesan: only tgz [19:37] oh well, i did not know heh [19:37] so what is the slackware.com issue? [19:37] macavity: i didn't realise you were in hardware/software/support/dealer etc.... [19:37] it is inknown at this time what has caused the slackware.com outtage [19:37] antler: you been to busy with me and dartmouth in nam [19:38] panzer: I think Alan_Hicks suggested it was a hardware failure [19:38] panzer: hahah [19:38] however, *roumor* has it that it is a hardware failure, and that the hosting solution is hard to reach because of the holiday [19:38] i wonder if pat is gonna charge my debit card and send me my hat already [19:38] Action: panzer turns on the macavity translater [19:38] macavity, what version of pkgtools handles txz? [19:38] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x53587248.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:39] macavity: did you mean "rumor"? [19:39] thanks macavity and antiwire [19:39] oneesan: Slackware13rc1 :P [19:39] antiwire: yes, that too [19:39] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6133.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [19:40] where can i get a copy of slackware13rc1? [19:40] oneesan: DVD iso? [19:40] yes [19:40] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] 32 or 64 bit edition? [19:41] 64 [19:41] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:41] speaking of which, is slackware64 going to include fred's compat work this time? [19:42] well, i see if some unirected keyboard tapping will fix it... [19:42] bot-net (n=void@209.180.207.66) left irc: "leaving" [19:42] oneesan: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/slackware64-current-30_Jun_2009-DVD.iso [19:42] oneesan: those are UNOFFICIAL isos [19:42] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] thanks macavity [19:42] oneesan: if you want to be on the safe side you should rsync a slackware mirror and follow the instructions on who to make isos [19:42] oneesan: *however* i have not had breakage with ftp.slackware.no isos to this date [19:43] oneesan: but you *should* read the readme in the same directory... just for good measures [19:43] brklynRednek: at this moment it's not in the tree [19:43] i guess i'll just download this iso and use it [19:43] rg3, that isnt worth a damn [19:43] i will read the readme [19:43] muahahahahhahahahha [19:44] kde4 users hit ctrl f10 [19:45] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [19:45] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "schleeeps" [19:45] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:46] oneesan: ah, i think that ISO is *just* prior to rc1, so be sure to run slackpkg upgrade-all right after you install it [19:46] brklynRednek: given that the changelog says that there are only a few minor things in the "todo" list, i doubt his compatibility packages will be included in the official release, but it should be trivial to install them, and they have good quality for sure (he has helped with slackware64) [19:46] oneesan: ... or wait untill monday where they regenerate the isos [19:46] rg3, yeah, was just hoping to see his work integrated into slackware64 [19:47] till tomorrow? [19:47] oneesan: as the readme says, they regenerate the isos every monday [19:47] ahh.. every tuesday, sorry [19:48] brklynRednek: while i have no inside information, i wouldn't discard it being included in the future, but it's too late now in the release cycle [19:48] oneesan: or you can use the buildscript they point to to roll your own [19:48] 13 will have cd's still yes? [19:48] brklynRednek: but fred is here, so he may give you more accurate information, or any slackware team member [19:48] oneesan: anyways, it doesnt really matter, as you will have to burn fresh ones as soon as 13.0 is declared ready [19:48] panzer: hopefully [19:49] i guess i can do that, i am currently running slackware12.2 on a pentium d so i am trying to upgrade to a 64 bit version, without loosing all the data in /home, the thing is that i did not create a separate partition for /home, so i do not want to format the whole dissk [19:49] either that or I might be doing the ftp install [19:49] oneesan: one of the reasons to switch to txz was to make sure base would fit on CD1 iirc [19:49] Pentium D.. [19:49] panzer: i've seen them as preorders in the slackware store [19:49] All of those aren't 64-bit, as a I recall [19:50] oneesan: ouch.. seriously, back up to a USB harddisk and do a clean install [19:50] oneesan: how much memory do you have? [19:50] oneesan: .. and do you have a chipset that supports 64 bit? [19:50] this is a very small disk that ive had for ages [19:50] yes, i have a 64 bit chipset [19:50] move data to another machine [19:51] oneesan: how much memory do you have? [19:51] and then a clean install.... [19:51] only 39g [19:51] rg3: no worries. dual P3 with cdrom ain't exactly the most up to date thing to be running 13 on. [19:51] Not hard drive space [19:51] Memory [19:51] RAM [19:52] ram?, ok, let me see [19:52] offplanet (i=45efcfd6@gateway/web/freenode/x-242affb185df90f5) joined ##slackware. [19:53] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x53587248.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:54] 902680k [19:55] About a gig.. [19:55] 1GB and shared VRAM [19:55] almost there [19:55] I personally wouldn't run 64-bit on it, as 64-bit uses more memory than 32-bit [19:56] I myself don't run 64-bit unless the machine has 2 or more gigs of memory [19:56] yeah.. id only do it for the fun of it [19:56] well, that is good to know [19:56] oneesan: i take it you have an Intel graphics chip onboard? [19:57] 64 bit is a bit faster than 32 on same hardware when doing multimedia apps [19:58] such as? [19:58] yes, i do..the thing is that i have this machine basically to download anime and change it from avi to mpeg using ffmpeg [19:58] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.20) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:58] encoding can use a bit of memory too, though [19:58] lots of it, and lots of time [19:59] newest ffmpeg I think is multithreaded. [19:59] oneesan: Get More RAM(TM) :P [19:59] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [19:59] get dual or quad core [19:59] oneesan: and compile ffmpeg yourself [19:59] ok, and a new hd [19:59] Pentium D is dual core [19:59] Dual P4's [19:59] panzer: its a Pentium D [19:59] oh ok. [19:59] nm [20:00] 64 bits as i recall [20:00] skipped over those kept my dual P3's and am going to c2d [20:00] panzer, such as rosegarden, specimen(not gnome-specimen), ardour, zynaddsubfx, qsynth, hydrohrn [20:00] oneesan: i saw a signifigant speedup in ffmpeg with -march=core2 over -march=i468 -mtune=i686 [20:00] hydroen [20:01] oneesan: yes, the Pentum D is fully x86_64 capable on the right chipset [20:01] hydrogen even [20:01] oneesan: unless you mobo vendor has bend you over and disabled it in BIOS [20:01] i will have to compile ffmpeg myself [20:01] it's an itel mb [20:01] oneesan: you can just get it from slackbuilds.org [20:01] intel [20:01] oneesan, with a slackbuild [20:03] well, guys i've got to go, thank you all very much for all the information [20:03] any time [20:03] Invert666 (n=daniel@CPE001e58060588-CM001cea644aca.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. 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I forgot my phone's usb charger and it seems I can't use my computer to charge it =/ [20:10] Action: dartmouth makes note to start stealing gtk themes from ubuntu [20:10] will never be better than my setup -_- [20:12] i have yet to see a theme that could make GTK look nice :P [20:12] i'd say the same about qt4, but is there more than just the default? :) [20:12] I got this cool theme. It shows this black backgroud. and there is white text on the screen [20:13] qt4 & [20:13] * [20:13] http://omploader.org/vMXhoaw [20:13] being a hardcore GNU fan and all, i still think that GNOME and its associate technologies are plainly thought out wrong.. and what has been thought out right has been implemented bass ackwards [20:13] btw, use optipng! it compresses png files very well (imagemagick's convert couldn't make it smaller than 260KB, optipng made it 135KB) [20:14] macavi++ [20:14] oops, seems I hate part of macavity :D [20:14] the "ty" part? ;-) [20:14] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:15] you're welcome [20:15] Action: C_Tux hides ... far away [20:15] iluminator101 (n=iluminat@ool-4578d704.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:15] you can run, but you cannot hide muuhuhuhahahaaar [20:16] Action: panzer hands macavity a star ship to follow C_Tux into that galazy far far away. 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[20:20] Action: macavity cries to the heavens for bigger ironed hardware [20:21] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x53587248.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:21] time for me to go to bed :) [20:21] gar0t0 (n=Tiago@189-69-81-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [20:21] so, how was gtk looking on my screenshot? :D [20:21] dear god: i can haz evol raid5 and biggest Core i7 + noise reduction kids + water cooling system for 1337 OCing? kkthxbai! [20:22] Action: panzer puts macavity's brain in a jar by the toilet while he comes down from heaven [20:22] lol [20:23] damn.. i need to figure out how to enable 2xAA and proper mipmapping with composite... [20:24] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:24] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [20:25] now wicd works =), but i screwed superkaramba for that =P [20:25] WastePotato (n=WastePot@unaffiliated/wastepotato) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2" [20:25] superharamba? isnt that a kde3 thing? [20:26] If I want to program AI, how will I know if my computer thunk? [20:27] dchmelik: huh? [20:27] macavity, yes, it is [20:27] and i think i screw kdesktop as well =P [20:27] macavity: I am not sure. Maybe it was a joke. [20:28] dchmelik: when it tries to kill you [20:28] dchmelik: i think you should start reading up on some of the fundamental problems of just getting "AI" defined :P [20:28] dchmelik: ah, dooh :-) [20:28] I took a course in it once [20:28] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:28] well, 1/3 of a course [20:28] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x53587248.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:29] does not 'thunk' mean something else? [20:29] i took that as a typo [20:30] I think it might have a meaning, which is why it was part of the joke.... [20:30] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [20:32] ok.. i dont get it then.. but then again, ive been known to be exceptionally dense at times [20:32] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:32] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.74) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [20:35] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.121.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:35] hi all [20:36] hello [20:36] 'In all three senses, the word thunk refers to a piece of low-level code, usually machine-generated, that implements some detail of a particular software system.'--Wikipedia [20:36] ah ok :P [20:37] nv4phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [20:39] is current now 13RC1? [20:39] fixed kdesktop :D [20:39] wait I know it should be 13RC1 [20:39] ken2009 (n=chatzill@ppp-70-129-130-222.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [20:39] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:40] it is [20:40] night all :) [20:41] guax: all that hassle, and before you know it 13.0 is out the door :P [20:42] anyhows.. time to watch Angels & Demons [20:42] bbiab [20:43] nv4phil` (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:44] slackbare (n=wilson@2001:470:1f10:785:204:76ff:fe36:65e9) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:50] I have installed some 32-bit compatability libraries and tried to compile grub2, but it still cannot find the 'start' or '_start' symbol apparently because of a compatability problem.... [20:51] mugwort13 (n=mugwort1@pool-96-244-137-76.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] raela (n=raela@cpe-098-025-047-136.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:08] /whois misspwn [21:08] wtf? [21:08] wtf? YOU FAIL [21:08] i sure did [21:08] must be all that sleep [21:08] nixchix [21:09] you sure you got your 55gal drum of coffee to wake you up? [21:09] ah [21:09] Nick change: misspwn -> nix_chix0r [21:09] hi misspwn or nix_chix0r or whoever you are [21:10] i forgot to auto identify [21:10] i thought i discovered a secret identity [21:11] naw [21:11] my host name is still the same i thought [21:11] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:13] where is nullboy [21:13] how did the porkshops turn out? [21:14] hey nix_chix0r [21:14] hi [21:14] yummy [21:14] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.80.215) left irc: "leaving" [21:15] we went for a walk grilled some chicken to make chicken salad with spinach flat bread wraps [21:16] hba (n=hba@189.188.144.185) left irc: "leaving" [21:16] offplanet (i=45efcfd6@gateway/web/freenode/x-242affb185df90f5) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [21:17] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:26] gustavo_ (n=gustavo@189.26.138.121.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [21:28] offplanet (i=45efcfd6@gateway/web/freenode/x-51fe275cf95d7333) joined ##slackware. [21:28] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:28] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [21:29] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:29] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [21:30] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [21:31] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [21:31] is anyone here running current with a non-us keyboard layout? how did you configure X to get it working? [21:32] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.121.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:32] gustavo_ (n=gustavo@189.26.138.121.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:32] gustavo_ (n=gustavo@189.26.138.121.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [21:32] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:33] have you tried X -configure then copied /root/xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?? [21:33] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.11.189) left irc: "Leaving" [21:34] josteint_: i am lazy, so i just make KDE set the keyboard for me :P [21:34] otherwise, Option "XkbLayout" "fubar" [21:34] in xorg.conf is what you want [21:35] the comments should explain it [21:35] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] RipVanWinkle: no. i can try that [21:37] macavity: the Xorg was updated it the almost latest current. i think that option is ignored [21:37] fire|bird, my brother is going to watch the baby on saturday so we can finally go tubing [21:38] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [21:38] getting breaks replaced tomorrow [21:38] that was the deal breaker [21:38] have to shut down X i order to configure X. see you [21:38] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [21:39] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-124-254.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Heya,folks....How's everyone? [21:41] good [21:42] Good t'hear,nix_chix0r [21:42] hows you [21:42] Doin' great for the evenin' thanks [21:43] tomorrow is monday [21:43] blah [21:43] nix_chix0r: awesome. [21:43] josteint: no, xorg will still honor keyboard settings [21:43] Heya MLanden, how's it going? [21:43] daidoji (n=daidoji7@c-24-20-216-14.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: [21:43] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [21:43] jonny (n=jonny@97-115-144-21.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] fire|bird: doin' great thanks [21:44] Pierre17 (n=Pierre17@c-98-230-189-247.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:44] hi all [21:44] jonny (n=jonny@97-115-144-21.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] Hello gtl [21:45] hi fire|bird [21:45] what's up? [21:45] sorry, i do not remember who posted the tip to set keyboard layout in xorg.conf. what was the option again? i would like to try it [21:45] gtl: nothing much here, how about yourself? [21:45] Option "XkbLayout" "fubar" [21:46] where fubar is your locale [21:46] thank you, macavity [21:46] i'm good, thanks [21:46] went to transformers 2 earlier today [21:47] atm i'm bringing my lappy to -current [21:48] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Client Quit [21:51] t2 is out [21:51] was it good [21:51] i liked watching 1 .. i saw it quite afew tiems [21:51] yeah! [21:51] so did I [21:52] think 2 is worthy to watch a few more times [21:52] cool [21:52] not to mention megan .... droool [21:52] yeah [21:53] man i have shitlaod of pics of her [21:53] there's another hottie there too this time [21:53] cool [21:54] theyre pretty but too young [21:54] hehe [21:55] indeed [21:55] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:58] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [21:59] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [21:59] akSeya (n=akSeya@189-95-17-65.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:00] macavity: seemed to ignore that option, as suspected. there is a server option which sets X to read "old" options, so that it will work. do not remember the name... something autodetect false...? [22:00] i'm updating my system to -current [22:01] but i've recompiled the kernel and have a copy of the new kernel's .config [22:02] since the -current has a newer kernel, will this .config be ok for the new kernel? [22:02] gtl: that is nice. slackware feels more "complete" when set to current, i feel :). keep in mind X might give you some problems, but should be simple to fix. you will probably need to reinstall X display drivers [22:02] macavity, no probs with kde 4 and the plasmas [22:02] ty man [22:03] yeah, thought as well [22:03] between than and dtanner helpiing on the policykit stuff [22:03] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201.14.237.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:03] i filed a bug report with kde on the dolphin cruft [22:04] gtl: from 12.1 to current you wikk get kde 4 and qt4 which is quite nice :) [22:04] josteint_: s/probably// [22:04] yeah, but i don't think i'll be using kde4 [22:06] specially due to it being so heavy, but i do like both qt4 and amarok 2 [22:07] I disliked amarok2 severly :( [22:07] i have quite a lot going on on my box but oly usin 700 mb ram [22:09] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:12] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.33) joined ##slackware. [22:13] hey i change the proper values in Slackbuild adn in desc file for yakuake.. but unless im not understandin this which very well could be pebcak... the builds keep failin at line 41 in the slackbuild... which looking at it is ./configure.... when i look inside the bz2 thats downlaoded there is no configure file or make from what i can tell... [22:14] akSeya (n=akSeya@189-95-17-65.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:17] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.11.189) joined ##slackware. [22:18] offplanet (i=45efcfd6@gateway/web/freenode/x-51fe275cf95d7333) left irc: "Page closed" [22:18] rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(632) [receiver=3.0.4] [22:18] VampirePenguin: does yakuake use cmake? [22:18] at osuosl [22:19] rob0: using which address ? [22:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [22:20] time rsync -PHav --delete-after rsync://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware/slackware-current/ /my/path/to/slackware/slackware-current/ [22:20] Pig_Pen: yes, it does, the kde4 builds anyway. [22:20] oh, sorry, I'm still using tds [22:20] what's funny is that I just sunk s64 earlier today. [22:20] :( [22:21] Pig_Pen, im not sure... its almost thru the whole slackbuild file, and is upnpacking dirvers.. i dont think its got to compiling anything [22:21] cp -al slackware/slackware64-current/source slackware/slackware-current/ beforehand to try to save a few bits over the wire [22:22] is it the newest one? i am going to download it and look at it [22:22] rob0: no problems syncing with osuosl here. [22:23] up arrow, enter, now it's working ... [22:23] Pig_Pen, im trying to get 2.9.6 whic is the kde 4 vers... the 2.8 is kde 3 [22:23] Action: jeev slaps rob0 [22:23] best just to --exclude source/ :) [22:24] just a temporary problem I guess [22:24] rob0, neither here [22:24] yup. yakuake uses cmake [22:24] Pig_Pen, for me it says it fails on line 41 ./configure [22:24] VampirePenguin: that's because it uses cmake, not ./configure. [22:25] so how do i fix it [22:25] 2.8.1? or the newest one? [22:25] 2.9.6 [22:25] Pig_Pen: the newest one, 2.9.6, uses cmake [22:26] try building without the slackbuild, first run cmake . then ccmake . then you can edit the prefix where it installs [22:26] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:26] dont forget the dot with cmake [22:26] cmake . [22:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.164.117) joined ##slackware. [22:26] afk [22:27] how does sbopkg do that [22:27] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:28] how does sbopkg do what? [22:28] run cmake [22:28] the slackbuild.org slackbuild file is for 2.8.1 it wont work on the new source package of yakuake [22:28] slackware.com down? [22:28] gnubien: yes, it is. [22:29] so dl the file, untar it, theen cd cmak. tehn ccmak . [22:29] fire|bird: ok, thanks [22:29] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [22:29] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:32] how do I add a group and assign my user to that group? [22:33] groupadd is ok [22:33] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [22:34] then i must edit /etc/group? [22:34] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [22:35] http://imagebin.org/54606 [22:35] rated G [22:35] Gutz (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] gtl: gpasswd(1) [22:39] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:40] macavity, thanks [22:40] Pig_Pen, what irc client is this? [22:40] getting it built VampirePenguin ? [22:40] gtl: It's irssi. [22:40] irssi [22:40] macavity = my_cavity? [22:41] nice [22:41] question... [22:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macavity [22:41] i asked above if what i was thinking awas right... im sorry im like practiclly toally new to bilding stuff myself.. so i dont quite have my footing yet if i cant use slackpkg or spopkg [22:41] anyone running current? [22:41] yep [22:42] Pig_Pen: lol i did NOT know that :P [22:42] question really is should i swap this server out for current or wait for 13? [22:42] prodcuton serer? [22:42] i remember when i first started building my own packages, it is just something you get better at the more you do it [22:43] Pig_Pen, oh ya.. thats kinda where i am .. i mean i read wht i can find but when ya get into the trenches [22:43] nah, personally, but shes been stable since last compile of 11.** [22:43] got some hardware capable [22:43] persoanlly if tis wrong ... dont try to fix it [22:43] agreed, but gonna overhaul mysql and apache side [22:44] got a new box lined up and rdy, just kinda idle waiting [22:44] no X [22:45] VampirePenguin: dont worry, your not the first person to make a mistake, everyone does [22:45] Gutz, no x [22:45] so dl the file, untar it, theen cd cmak. tehn ccmak . [22:46] is that what i do Pig_Pen ^^ [22:46] as in it doesnt have it? [22:46] cmake . [22:46] on ur new box [22:46] then ccmake , [22:46] no X just apache [22:46] kk then i did understand you correctly [22:46] old box has been a great beast of better than 99.9% internet uptime [22:46] id say if youre running a core system... go for it... if not wait till they finish final tweaks [22:47] but equipment is outdated with a amd 1.8 [22:47] thats fast for server [22:47] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [22:47] if its personal use.. ur not db amazon [22:47] thx vampire, kinda what i figured [22:47] ya i have a server just core [22:47] with ftp and rsync [22:47] ssh in and im good [22:48] yeah i run a few games ftp, had an irc, closed it, ventrillo, etc... [22:48] core stuff nots really going to change if it does it would change anyway bc of some security update [22:49] even thrownig lxde or jwm or ?? wouldnt hurt [22:49] i dont use it too often in x [22:49] i dont eitehr on the server [22:49] dont even have it installed [22:49] usually putty in witrh machine [22:49] if i could find a way to view pdfs in tty/cli i would go all xless [22:49] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:50] kewl, then i will be patient and wait. [22:50] thought im looking at something right now directfb.org [22:50] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-124-254.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:50] Action: Gutz is still salivating tho :p [22:50] putty same thing ssh [22:50] your good [22:50] ya [22:50] no no go for it [22:50] if there is no x adn now gui [22:50] cores not going to change [22:51] i dont use the x11 side [22:51] and youll be ready for new txz, and glibc [22:51] just straight telnet ssh [22:51] see i dont use telnet.. clear teext [22:51] i can dload putty at work with out the ms crap and use [22:51] i only use ftp on distro dl's [22:51] otherwise ssh,scp [22:52] sftp [22:52] puttys plenty avail [22:52] well the box is at the house here that im at [22:52] there is eve openssh [22:52] i think thats what its called [22:52] graphical ssh [22:52] ya [22:52] im good with konsole [22:53] not worried bout that end of it, just curious bout waiting for the 13 version [22:53] directfb is something i just started trying out myself, i rebuilt links-2.2 browser to use it, seems it wants to access tty0 directly and only root is allowed to do that, there must be some workaround to let users run it as: links -g -driver directfb [22:53] ok, Angles & Demons is watchable.. nothing terribly exciting, but never the less worth the time [22:54] i want to see that new gangster movie "Public Enemy" johnny dep plays john dillenger [22:54] lol local cample provider will only use docsis 2.0 or higher by end of this yr [22:54] er cable* [22:55] Pig_Pen: oh yes.. i have yet to see Johnny Dep deliver something other than absolutely top performance [22:55] they rdy for 3.0 [22:55] he is good [22:55] i liked the Ninth Gate i thought it was great! [22:55] best sscene i love wyatt earp with doc holiday(val kilmer) im youre hjucleberry [22:56] i only liked the first Pirates of the Carribean, i did not really like the second one [22:56] rotf [22:56] Pig_Pen: oh yes, that one was awesome [22:57] Pig_Pen: despite that i am usually not into the genre at all [22:57] Pig_Pen: Ninth Gate that is [22:58] i prefer "from hell" [22:59] peeks my long lost adolecent interests [23:00] Pig_Pen, oh thats so bitchin [23:00] being able to make your own stuff is like so empowering [23:00] sleepy hollow was good too [23:00] dont have to wait for someone to make a binary for me [23:01] yeah, eventually you will want to tweak the source code to do something a little different [23:01] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [23:02] well i did successfully make a kernel with alienBOB doku but their were module/library issues so my cam adn few other things wouldnt work... but it booted up fine noerros [23:05] once you know your kernel modules and know your way around menuconfig in the kernel source you will be able to build your own kernel and have all your hardware working properly, but for now there is nothing wrong with a stock kernel, Pat V. builds a great kernel [23:06] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host182-91-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [23:06] oh ya [23:06] you have to be careful what you disable in one part of menuconfig because it can disable other parts that will be hidden in menuconfig until you enable it [23:07] whew.. what a weekend! [23:07] i love the kernel stuff no problems... modlues no isse and betwen the install and my hardeware i havent had one weird wrong driver/module loadd [23:07] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] hrm wtf is up with slackware.c om [23:09] maybe Pat's server died, i bet UPS or FedX is shipping him some new hardware right now [23:09] er.. its been down for af ew days [23:09] hardware issues [23:09] misterius for 13 final? [23:09] the tore is still up [23:09] store that is [23:10] potentially [23:10] yup [23:10] straterra: and where'd you hear that from? [23:10] store is ran elsewhere, i think [23:10] it is [23:11] time to shut this PC down [23:11] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:11] pat hosts it at home? [23:14] my hardware radar went off [23:14] (robby told me) [23:15] I *think* it's hardware issues. Not much else good explanation. [23:18] it's been up and down over the past few days [23:21] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-246.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [23:21] hip, Slackware Linux, Inc. CWO-64-57-102-32-29 (NET-64-57-102-32-1) ("whois $(dig +short slackware.com.)") [23:21] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] rworkman, i said that [23:29] it smells like a broken solder joint [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-131-20.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. 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[23:58] gotcha [23:59] need to be [23:59] tired [00:00] --- Mon Jul 6 2009