[00:00] :) [00:00] neither me...just matchin' phonemes..:D [00:01] What server do you connect to? Maybe i'll join to learn to read better. [00:01] I thought that went into the russian channel (RusNet). Both channels are next on the list [00:01] oh RusNet [00:02] CRS-Finance (thomark@95-42-125-42.btc-net.bg) left ##slackware. [00:02] I will join A;0:20@8AB>2 on RusNet. heheh [00:02] There are only 5-10 people on #slackware :) [00:02] smooth c&p or keyboard switch?,OutBound...:) [00:02] i'm here :) [00:03] cp [00:03] ;D [00:03] That's why I was so surprised to see so many people. :) [00:03] 290 of them are bots, vehn_z [00:03] haha [00:03] :) [00:03] :) [00:04] me I'm trying to solve my problem with DAAP and Amarok. [00:05] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: ZzzzzzZzzzzzz!!!! [00:05] rssn6, can you send the file to your ipod(e.g. UMS)? [00:06] ? [00:06] Thomark (~thomark@95-42-125-42.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [00:07] rssn6, what is the problem? [00:08] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:10] What i.m trying to do: is I have a Freenas box with Firefly server with music on it, and I want to connect with Amarok using DAAP im using slackware 13.1, I tried with ubuntu/Rhythmbox and I can see on the list the shared folder [00:10] amarok is bad with networking [00:10] but In slackware I have no clue... [00:11] Can u suggest other player ? [00:11] afu (~sgendle@cpe-24-162-163-43.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:12] afu (~sgendle@cpe-24-162-163-43.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:12] I dont mind to try other players. [00:12] You need mdns running on Slackware to use DAAP servers. [00:12] AFAIK [00:13] rssn6, eliminating the basic stuff, in amarok, if you "engage" >> "play media" and go to the network folders, can you select and play your music? 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[00:19] just wondering if your server showed up [00:19] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:19] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:19] I thought about vlc but did not try it yet [00:19] vlc will handle just about anything -- but amarok is listed as a client for daap [00:19] so amarok should work [00:20] I know but hmm dont know why [00:20] Amarok should work, but DAAP works via mdns (ZeroConf). [00:21] I don't believe Slackware includes that by default [00:21] You'll probably need to build and run avahi at the very least. [00:21] Possibly rebuild amarok [00:21] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] rssn6, the site I was browsing was http://www.opendaap.org/ might be of some help [00:21] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ayilgierbskkbnox) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:22] so local music on the harddrive is playing [00:23] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] sam__ (500@59.93.208.38) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:24] rssn6: can you access your server (not necessarily play music, but access the files)? [00:25] Thomark (~thomark@95-42-125-42.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Good luck and Good Trading! [00:25] ooh crap [00:25] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:26] the problem if i open a from lan it will not play, I have to mount the remote folder with smb before [00:27] Amarok do not stream it he displays: smb://....... and string to stream. This is why I mount the folder before [00:27] when is 13.2 coming, out of curiosity? [00:27] 13.2 will be out when it is ready :) [00:27] 6-8 month ) [00:27] it's next :) [00:28] i heard next week :) [00:28] cool [00:28] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:28] you cheated villains :) [00:29] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Thanks for the help here, I'll try to build on it :), I like changes :) [00:30] 13.2? [00:30] nah, next will be 14.0, around Feb 2011 [00:31] i'll bet this goes .2 because of the changing nature of kde [00:31] why use, kde [00:32] isn't kde deprecated? [00:32] hehe [00:32] it is for me [00:32] ;) [00:32] xfce ftw [00:32] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-134-119.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:32] well i lost interest in Kde after 3.0 [00:32] i also like xfce especially the mouse [00:32] i'd go flux before xfce, but that's just me [00:33] ya, i like the box's and xfce [00:33] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-pkezjfhdxpsvzjzf) joined ##slackware. [00:34] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:34] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-pkezjfhdxpsvzjzf) left irc: Changing host [00:34] OutBound (nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [00:34] OutBound (nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Changing host [00:34] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-pkezjfhdxpsvzjzf) joined ##slackware. [00:36] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [00:36] never did like the box's... a little too sparse [00:37] rapid (~Rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [00:38] de's (and wm's) are pretty personal things, there are folks here who love kde, for example [00:38] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:38] i'd count myself as a kde fan; learned flux using DSL [00:39] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:39] Thomark (~thomark@95-42-125-42.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [00:39] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:39] dsl is a cute experiment [00:39] how'd they pack so much in so little? [00:39] 50mb [00:39] kind of cool [00:39] i know, it's pretty amazing. [00:40] Uhm... how did I just disconnect? [00:40] magic [00:40] I mean, what was the message? [00:40] PFM [00:40] * NaCl has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:40] message was "Connection reset by queer" [00:40] lol [00:40] Well, I put in an irssi command that was not /quit or /exit and got booted [00:41] bummer [00:41] sucks to be salt [00:41] salt? [00:41] hEh [00:41] NaCl: what irssi command did you actually put in? [00:42] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:42] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:42] whatever it was he did it again! :) [00:42] :( [00:42] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-134-119.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [00:42] ROFL [00:43] do you touch the stove a second time after you burn yourself?!? [00:43] that's friggin hilarious [00:43] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:44] like the tech support for dsl asking "Is your modem connected?" and pulling the phone cord out [00:44] NaCl == n00b [00:44] lol [00:44] you should know, we've been making fun of you in your absence [00:44] irssi = segfault [00:44] how bout giving the details to see if it can be reproduced [00:44] what command did you do? [00:45] and make sure you put a period or something in the first space [00:45] hehe [00:46] 0.8.12 [00:46] NaCl: ?? what command??? [00:46] The problem doesn't seem to duplicate on a newer version [00:46] jeebus [00:46] fine [00:47] he doesn't wanna say [00:47] I guess it's a friggin secret [00:47] wants to keep the segfault all to huimself.... [00:47] /channel -add -auto ##slackware-offtopic freenode [00:47] just add, not -add [00:48] hmph [00:48] I suspect he was trying to type it and accidentally did it again because he didn't type a leading space. :) [00:48] heh [00:48] you're too kind. i think he wanted to see if it bombed the 2nd time too! [00:48] +1 [00:48] It did bomb a second time [00:48] i bet it does't bomb on the 3rd try!@# [00:49] Axius (~fd@92.84.2.163) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Action: NaCl humors the channel [00:49] hehe [00:49] whaddya know... [00:49] bad command [00:49] i'm scary that way... [00:50] It worked now [00:50] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:50] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] probably because I added it to the beleeding config file after it died the second time [00:50] *bleeding [00:50] 0.8.12 is old, several sploits have been patched since. [00:50] best upgrade before i r00t your ass [00:51] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Forgot if I mentioned this: Leggo Felt Tip 1110 Printer <-- geekpoints to spare [00:51] http://www.tomshardware.com/news/LEGO-Printer-Toys-DIY,10573.html [00:51] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt5-port-122.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] sorry - Leggo Felt Tip 110 Printer [00:51] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [00:51] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [00:51] rwork, did you ever get your plug-toy? [00:51] mancha: now if *that* isn't a noobfarm quote, I dunno what is. [00:52] HAHA [00:52] Yes, I got the guruplug [00:52] mancha: I'm pretty sure ubuntu patched the hell out of this [00:52] did you put slack on it yet? [00:53] chopp, meant to play on the whole plug thing :) [00:53] http://lists.armedslack.org/2010-May/000427.html [00:53] i know slack goes on sheeva easily, is it true for the next gen too? [00:53] See that link :) [00:54] I didn't write it in that post, but here's my assessment. Someone at Marvell/wherever said, "You know, the SheevaPlug just damn worked. It was easy. Let's fuck that up for the GuruPlug." [00:54] cypherpunko (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:54] hahaha [00:54] fucking dummies [00:55] so in conclusion does it work? [00:55] Oh yeah, it works [00:55] lol [00:56] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:56] cause whenever you overwrite nand's like that the story could end up with "and so bricked it." [00:57] Oh, I bricked it no less than six times. [00:57] This is why the JTAG is a must have. [00:57] I'm working on a 'ubootconfig' utility :) http://git.rlworkman.net/?p=ubootconfig.git;a=summary [00:58] wonder why they changed things from the way they worked on sheevas [00:59] Well, the best guess we can come up with is this: the sheevaplug was for *developers* while the guruplug seems intended for *users* [00:59] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [00:59] ouch, that kind of scares me away from it. there's no reset to factory default switch or something? you need the damn jtag? [00:59] man, git is really taking the world by storm, everyone's got a personal git, i feel left out. [00:59] Makes sense [00:59] Yep, you will need the JTAG. [01:00] Well, I could make do without it *now* just working with the mtd-utils and u-boot-tools from an installed system, but that only happens with experience (which requires brickmaking) [01:00] yep, the no "reset" button kinda sucks, usually i prefer to leave factory nands as are and rewrite the booters [01:00] That kinda makes me not want to get one. :/ [01:01] jawkins has a guruplug on the way, and he puts the "guru" in guruplug, so I'm sure he'll have all the kinks worked out for next armedslack-current [01:01] Any particular reason why the "US" Guruplug lacks a ground plug? [01:03] Sheevaplug doesn't have one either; I guess they figured a plastic case woudln't need it [01:04] I once again why almost everything that comes out the Slackware people is a shell script. :P [01:04] good question WHY? :) [01:04] :p [01:04] hrmm, so basically the big change is you need the jtag to program the guru wheras you didn't for the sheeva [01:04] rworkman: hm. I guess. [01:05] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:05] rworkman: i guess it comes with an OS installed? if brickamking is part of the process, I wonder how advanced they think their userbase is? [01:05] Hmmm... how effective would a USB wireless dongle be as an access point? [01:06] mancha: the sheevaplug had that JTAG/UART serial built in. [01:06] NaCl, not too bad, once it get's upgraded to usb3.0 (theoretically) [01:06] ang: yes, it comes with Debian installed. If you're happy with that and familiar with it, no brickwork required. [01:06] ah, and with guru you have to order the pro version? [01:07] then JTAG it is :) [01:07] mancha: no, with guruplug, you have to order a separate JTAG/UART converter box that plugs into it [01:07] ah fuck a jtag board? [01:07] rworkman, how's netbsd with those sheevaplugs? [01:07] alisonken1home: AFAICT USB 3.0 has more bandwidth than a SATA hard drive can spit out [01:07] yep, they've moved to end-user "don't touch me" mode... :* [01:07] NaCl, that's why tne mention [01:07] MLanden: no idea [01:08] ITechJunkie (~itechjunk@ip98-162-243-126.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] alisonken1home: wha? [01:08] ok i;m leaving. Tnx for everything guys. [01:08] NaCl, about the usb dongle being acceptable for access point [01:08] rssn6 (~rssn6@modemcable100.51-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:08] this is always the case....ALWAYS. version 1 rocks the house they they go to screw things up. i bet the successor to guru is even worse. [01:09] Well, feeding time for /dev/baby [01:09] like the wrt54g's remember? each version was worse than the previous [01:09] rworkman: time to quit making babies....? [01:09] /dev/condom [01:09] :) [01:09] /dev/pullout [01:10] . /dev/vasectomy [01:10] /dev/risky [01:10] nope [01:10] /dev/pullout <-- /dev/risky [01:10] oh - /dev/pullout is risky, yes [01:10] no risk, no blue chips [01:10] or sumpin like that [01:10] alisonken1home: I haven't seen a local connection go above 50 MBps [01:10] . /dev/pullout => /opt/risky [01:10] rworkman: hey, congrats! I hadn't heard the good news :) [01:11] alisonken1home: this was GigE, direct link [01:12] And that's when I discovered that crossover cables weren't necessary anymore for machines with GigE cards [01:12] mancha: agreed on the decline of the WRT54G's [01:12] forced me to use IPCop on an old box [01:12] and never look back [01:13] NaCl: It's not just GigE, a lot of 10/100 equipment is auto-sensing as well [01:13] LSD`: since when? [01:14] After GigE's appearence? [01:14] Strategy Session at Linksys (Cisco) Headquarters: "Ok fellas, we want to launch version 2 of the highly successful WRT54G, ideas?" "How about reducing flash size?" "How about providing less RAM?" "How about making the antennas non-removable?" .... [01:14] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [01:15] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:15] Possibly, I'm not really sure when it first appeared, but I know I have a bunch of 10/100 equipment that is auto sensing [01:15] NaCl, no - 10/100 autosense has been around for years [01:15] mancha, I have a v2.1 and the antennas are still removable. [01:15] alisonken1home: any way to tell? [01:15] I mean, if a system has it [01:15] I think it was v3 or v4 they moved to vxworks [01:15] the only issue is if you hook up two autosense devices, you may also end up with a sense-wars with both sides trying to switch at the same time - takes a long time for a connection to actually work [01:16] Motoko, but it i were to be true to those details i would have to either make my joke longer or less funny [01:16] NaCl, typically it will say "auto mdx/mdix" somewhere on it [01:16] I meant by asking the computer [01:17] Thomark (~thomark@95-42-125-42.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Good luck and Good Trading! [01:17] if the card/interface on the computer is autosense? [01:17] yes [01:17] hey, i'm looking at kernel.org and there is 2.6.33.5 kernel released which (i guess) is 2.6.33.4 bug fixes... will pat release a kernel update? [01:17] Action: NaCl also wonders if something is wrong with his long ethernet cable [01:17] I believe there's an autosense flag on most cards made in the last decade, but don't quote me on this [01:17] zoran119 the answer to those things is usually no [01:17] i'm just a bit confused with how to kernel releases work... [01:17] NaCl, how long? [01:17] 40' [01:18] ah - thought you meant _looong - like >400' [01:18] mancha: so do people upgrade themselves or is 2.6.33.4 safe to run [01:18] i believe there are no kernel upgrades to a released version unless the security problem is very big [01:19] alisonken1home: It could be the silly apple switch I'm connected to acting strangely [01:19] zoran, i've not heard about .33.4's security problems. 99.99% of those are local issues though [01:19] NaCl, that too [01:19] ethernet cable length limit is 100 meters [01:19] which means the attack vector needs to be someone with access to your system, do you allow others on your box? [01:20] danc3, it's dependent on the rating - like cat5/5e6 and also the speed, like 10/100/1000baset [01:20] baseT [01:20] mancha: nah... it's just me [01:20] zoran, unless it is a remote exploit i wouldn't worry too much then [01:20] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [01:20] alisonken1home: hmmm... well 100mbps limit is 100m [01:20] mancha: ok... thanks [01:21] alisonken1home: seems that the wireless on the thing is giving me 2 Mbps [01:21] Now 1 [01:21] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:21] NaCl, remeber, it's wireless, so you also have to deal with collisions and interference [01:21] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-107-13.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:21] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Client Quit [01:22] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [01:22] and don't forget things like microwaves, cell phones, and wireless phones can cause interference [01:22] noe of those things are actively transmitting right now [01:22] at least none here [01:22] as well as your neighbors wireless [01:22] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Quit: gogie [01:22] that is also true [01:23] and don't forget harmonic channels from other wireless ap's [01:23] 2Mbps is sucking [01:23] There's only one other in range of my lappy [01:23] I'll try to get into the thing and change the default channel [01:24] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [01:25] alisonken1home: another silly question, why would mii-tool report that the link is down but ethtool not? [01:25] This is back on my desktop [01:26] has anyone had trouble building 2.6.34? I apparently, cannot. [01:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:26] ethtool looks at a different part of the card [01:27] mii-tool looks at a specific part (mii - media independent interface) [01:27] I see. [01:27] This NIC is whack anyway [01:27] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:27] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [01:28] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@97.103.10.* expired. [01:28] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:30] Dat's wack! [01:39] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.55.194.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:40] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [01:40] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. 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[01:52] officergris (~officergr@69.76.129.255) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:54] (USC latest version of the LittleDog Robot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUQsRPJ1dYw March 2010) [01:56] Snewp (~dotslash@unaffiliated/snewp) joined ##slackware. [01:58] hi i just installed slackware13.1 64 .. just a quick n00b question how do i make the fonts smoother ? [01:59] johndee (~id@93-81-140-33.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:00] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/beautiful-fonts-in-slackware-539868/ [02:00] http://brendan.sdf-eu.org/articles/antialiasing_slack.php [02:00] courtesy of google [02:02] thanks OutBound .. appreciate it :) [02:02] Snewp (~dotslash@unaffiliated/snewp) left irc: Quit: Computer possessed? Try DEVICE=C:\EXOR.SYS [02:02] what 'bout DPI settings? 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[02:41] rworkman: this is my script: http://dpaste.com/203413/ [02:41] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:42] nickals (~nickals@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [02:42] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:42] nickals kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: slackin, you've been warned *repeatedly* about that spambot, er, pugbot shit. [02:43] rapid (~Rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:43] Axius: YDIW [02:43] 1) that's an incorrect hashbang line [02:43] 2) bash should not be in /usr/local/bin [02:43] Anyone know a program or a way i can connect to my slackware machine from my Win7 work machine? normally i use logmein with my windows partition but they dont support linux that much. so trying to find a simple easy way to do it for the time being [02:44] putty [02:44] There's also vnc if you have the bandwidth for it and want gui [02:44] rworkman: Maybe not on Linux, but /usr/local/bin is a valid location for bash on some other platforms ;) [02:45] LSD`: but since this is a slackware support channel... ;) [02:45] BP{k}++ [02:45] weird how that works out, eh? [02:45] agentc0re: hehe. [02:46] ok, thanks rworkman [02:46] LSD`: as BP{k} said :) [02:46] BP{k}: Doesn't make it any less incorrect [02:47] On *Slackware* bash should not be in /usr/local/bin [02:47] better :) [02:47] Is is possible? Yes. If you're having to ask about a script, is it worth spending my time to address? No. [02:48] Since this is a Slackware channel, the implicit assumption is that users are running Slackware, ergo bash should not be in /usr/local/bin. :) [02:49] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-171.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:50] digicyc (~aaron@ip65-44-116-185.z116-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [02:51] it's like telling a cow farmer that goats can be milked too. Why the fuck should he care? He's a god damn cow farmer ffs. [02:53] why does gnome develop so quickly! [02:53] you need to move from version 1 to version 2 of $APP and you need to upgrade all the farkin' deps too! [02:54] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [02:55] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-171.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] rworkman: thank you. [02:58] mancha: thats one of the reasons to choose KDE IMO. the software is bundled annd distributed in modules. yeah it takes much longer to compile but its much easier to maintain for single person [02:59] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:59] i think the second thing that annoys me with gnome besides their modularness is the way they treat dotfiles. each application must have its own dotdir so you end up with a .gnome .gnome2 .gconf and a thousand other dirs in your $home [03:00] CGfreak102, nx/nomachine. extremely fast. [03:00] agentc0re: haha [03:04] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-171.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:05] i really like their office suite though [03:05] Axius (~fd@92.84.2.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:06] iceheart (0@120.195.170.78) joined ##slackware. [03:06] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:06] iceheart kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [03:07] more than i like kde's.... [03:09] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-146.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:10] my office suite consists mostly of vim, but kword hasnt failed me yet on the trivial things i used it for [03:11] i was mainly talking about evince>>>kpdf and evince>okular, and gnumeric>>gspreadheet [03:11] er, gnumeric>kspreadsheet, that is. [03:12] mac-_ (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:14] on the modularity thing i'm not sure how i feel. on the one hand you make a good point. on the other, say evince has a bug/vuln, you dl and re-make it. if okular does you need to remake the entire koffice suite.... [03:15] Richlv, does it support slackware? when im trying to install it, it asks me to tell it what OS im using and when i say slackware it's not recognized and its not on the list either [03:15] okular is in kdegraphics but yeah [03:15] oops yeah kdegraphics [03:16] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:18] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [03:21] CGfreak102 (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:22] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:23] Nick change: OutBound -> stinky [03:24] Nick change: jewbacca -> yellowTooth [03:24] evince is nice [03:25] for the rest of "office" i just use OOo [03:26] Nick change: yellowTooth -> jewbacca [03:26] Nick change: jewbacca -> nyRednek [03:26] Nick change: nyRednek -> yosii [03:27] Nick change: yosii -> nyRednek [03:28] Speaking of evince, I just pushed an updated package in my repo (as well as an update at SBo) [03:29] evince beats the hell out of any other free pdf app IMHO [03:29] 2.30.1? [03:29] yep [03:29] I patched it to fix a segfault on startup if $HOME/.gnome2/evince/ didn't already exist [03:29] ah yes was going to office that patch to you [03:30] i mentioned it here in the channel some days ago [03:30] office=offer [03:30] Probably while we were at the hospital - I didn't even *try* to read scrollback [03:30] Important stuff should generally be msg'd to me privately to make sure I see it [03:31] all i do is change a FALSE to a TRUE [03:31] Yep, same here [03:31] it was easy code to debug actually [03:31] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:32] Easier than most :) [03:33] what is interesting is that there's been no 2.30.2 to address this, 2.30.1 is from late april [03:33] maybe the .30 branch is abandoned [03:33] lunchbox_ (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:34] It wouldn't surprise me. [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.126.51) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:34] hospital = new kid? [03:34] yep [03:34] new kid= first kid? [03:34] 2nd [03:34] wow, you're squeezin' em out like puppies eh? :) [03:35] congrats on #2 [03:35] We're done. [03:35] Thanks :) [03:35] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431813.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [03:35] unless you live on a farm in the 1800s i think 2 is a good number [03:36] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.46.2) joined ##slackware. [03:36] No doubt. [03:36] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431813.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:37] ok, gnumeric is all built, version 1.10.5 [03:38] How? I was just trying it, and it errored out installing docs [03:38] i personally feel it outdoes ooo calc [03:38] hrmm, lemme see if i patch anything.. [03:39] ah, i do this in the source dir once expanded: touch doc/C/gnumeric-C.omf.out [03:39] [03:40] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:40] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:40] Yeah, but does that get actual docs or an empty file somewhere? [03:40] trust me (tm) [03:42] okay :) [03:42] no, i don't get docs built... [03:42] but i didn't need them enough for a proper fix...you've now inspired me though, wanna give this a shot? [03:43] Oh well. gnumeric without docs > no gnumeric [03:43] sure [03:44] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] ok, restarted compilation to remember the error and have an expanded source [03:48] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-093-184.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:52] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:53] lunchbox_ (lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:53] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:54] CGfreak102 (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:55] ok, not worth it for me, the help browser uses yelp which needs the xulrunner SDK :) [03:55] agreed [03:55] Aren't they moving it over to webkit at some point? [03:55] did you build with my hack? [03:55] As if that's any better. [03:56] mancha: yes [03:56] rworkman: the other alternatives are..? [03:56] working on installing conky still, when i try 'sbopkg -i tolua++' it stops with a message "tolua++.SlackBuild.build: line 54: scons: command not found" any ideas? not much i can find on the internet [03:59] speaking of ooo, 3.2.1 is out. supposedly *cough* it fixes security bugs but i think oracle just wanted its logo instead of sun's [03:59] LSD`: I don't know, but I know I'm not fond of either of those. [03:59] CGfreak102: doesn't the README for tolua++ say that scons is required? [03:59] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/libraries/tolua++/ [03:59] That README file is named "README" for a reason. [04:00] mancha: it's already in my repo [04:00] arent 'those two' all there is? [04:00] isn't that from just a few days ago? when do you do this stuff?!? :) [04:00] mancha: I happened to notice while I was at the hospital killing time, so I downloaded it over their public wireless :) [04:01] i just started my rebuild, it's not a compile i look forward to. i keep getting tempted to just install the packaged rpm... [04:02] does your repo repackage binaries or compile? and if re-packaged does it use the with or without java? [04:02] binary repackage w/o java [04:02] (even though I use the wJRE tarballs) [04:02] ah, okay that would be my choice too if i went binary [04:02] ... im so dumb, if i cant even noticed that i think its time for bed. [04:02] The non-JRE tarball for x86_64 always disappears periodically [04:02] hah [04:03] isn't the wJRE one considerably bigger? [04:03] yes [04:03] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:03] but I don't care :) [04:03] Guest35757 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [04:03] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:03] Okay, gnumeric done :) [04:04] i think you'll like it. i definitely do. [04:04] plus it loads in like one hundredth of the time it takes ooo to load the spreadsheet program [04:05] http://slackbuilds.org/temp/gnumeric.tar.gz and http://slackbuilds.org/goffice.tar.gz for anyone else interested [04:05] New OOo seems to load *much* faster here [04:05] As in, almost immediately [04:05] OK, then i look forward to this compile being done in Feb 2011 to test it. [04:06] here 3.2.0 takes a while while the initial Sun logo box is up [04:09] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [04:11] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [04:12] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:12] digifor (~felixdz@122.252.180.252) joined ##slackware. [04:15] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:17] CGfreak102 (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:17] rworkman: i have freezes in xpdf while scrolling through document, it displays a wait-watch a lot. its impossible to scroll smoothly [04:20] pnq (asdf@ACA33A31.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:23] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. 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The only one of the current consoles you could easily run Linux on was the PS3 and Sony have fixed that bug in 3.21 and up (on the fat models, the slims never offered hte option) [04:38] I know youc an do it on other console. [04:38] But would be interesting to see it done on Wii. [04:40] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-2-94.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:43] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@97.103.10.* expired. [04:43] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:48] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [04:49] Guest95613 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [04:56] pcastle (~pcastle@76.91.65.239) joined ##slackware. [04:58] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:58] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:58] felixdz_ (~felixdz@175.100.127.50) joined ##slackware. [05:00] pcastle (~pcastle@76.91.65.239) left irc: Client Quit [05:02] Having a problem with alienbob's ./msofficefonts.SlackBuild FAILED at line 138. PowerPointViewer.exe: no valid cabinets found [05:02] Haha, racist. [05:02] Erm sorry wrong window. [05:03] Install webfont. [05:03] I have already install cabextract-1.2-i486-3alien.tgz [05:03] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:03] What is likely to be causing this? [05:03] webfont, get it. [05:03] is webfont answer for me? [05:03] And cabextract. [05:03] You said you have it installed. [05:04] Hmmmmm are you sure you installed it [05:04] ? [05:04] Package cabextract-1.2-i486-3alien.tgz installed. [05:04] I'll look for webfont [05:04] Oh. [05:04] Hmmm. [05:04] It might not be webfont then. [05:05] http://synce.sf.net [05:05] Look into this. [05:06] felixdz_: why dont you copy over the fonts from your windows partition or install webcorefonts from slackbuilds.org? [05:06] i stay away from the exe crap [05:07] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [05:07] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:07] I am dual booting so that should be feasable sahko [05:07] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [05:07] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-178-224.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:08] the or is easy even if youre not. and its easier and much clean than using cabextract for this [05:08] s/clean/cleaner [05:14] rworkman, you are right. 3.2.1 is noticeably faster to start up than 3.2.0 [05:15] Serious question - why isn't Patrick working for Intel or something like that? [05:15] maybe it was the sun logo blocking the way [05:15] hah [05:18] sahko, was that to mee? [05:18] Cause that totally flew over my head. [05:18] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Euthanatos (~chakravan@in-67-236-193-190.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] Axius (~fd@92.85.222.41) joined ##slackware. [05:20] no but that ridiculous answer of mine might be more serious than your serious question. maybe. [05:20] ;_; [05:20] Totally hopeless. [05:20] I am going to bed, my jaw hurts. [05:20] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [05:25] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:26] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [05:27] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.210) joined ##slackware. [05:28] sahko: =) [05:28] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:29] sahko: deadbeef's excessive cpu usage is most probably due to resampling, and X's to the progressbar [05:29] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.210) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:29] sahko: in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf, you can try to change dmix.rate from 48000 to 44100 [05:30] sahko: as for X, well, I'll see if I can make something today [05:31] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: >_< PEBKAC, ID-10-T clicked the X ^_^ [05:36] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [05:40] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:42] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.208) joined ##slackware. [05:42] adrien: the resampling would make sense i guess if the app was actually playing. which it doesnt have to, in order to have high cpu usage. it does just by executing it. [05:43] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [05:43] sahko: and in that case, the app itself shows the cpu usage or only X? [05:43] im starting to believe i messed with something i werent weant cause i see the same behaviour in qmmp as well [05:44] How can I clean the cache packages from slackware? [05:44] both, along with kwin when using qmmmp [05:44] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:45] i should try moc and see what happens. xmms and audacious will need many deps i dont have [05:45] felixdz_ (~felixdz@175.100.127.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:46] sahko: audacious? it doesn't have that many deps and they're all in slackware, so nice packages to remove them [05:46] sahko: if the app itself is showing the high usage and you really don't know what's going on, profiling could be a good idea [05:47] (recompile with -p in CXXFLAGS and CFLAGS, and run) [05:47] where would you see the profiled information? [05:47] yeah i know, libmcs, libmowgli and the 2 audacious' [05:47] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:47] are there decent tools for that? [05:48] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.249) joined ##slackware. [05:50] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:51] you run the program as usual, and it'll produce a file in the current folder, then, 'gprof /path/to/the/program | less' [05:52] neat [05:52] oprofile is sometimes/often better [05:52] but I don't know (yet) how to use it and I don't know what's required (besides kernel support but I guess it's in slackware's kernel) [05:57] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [05:57] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD881FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:59] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD889E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:01] mac-_ (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:03] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:05] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:07] it seems to compile longer with -p [06:08] or just placebo [06:12] mm placebo [06:12] I love that dish [06:12] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.210) joined ##slackware. [06:12] How to build putty without pterm? [06:14] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [06:16] adrien: i dont see anything in the gmon.out file [06:18] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] sahko: you recompiled with -p ? [06:19] ok [06:19] and I'd blame C++ for the compile time ;-) [06:19] sahko: you ran it and close it? [06:20] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [06:20] yeah i run it from a terminal so i can get the gmon.out in home [06:20] i actually have 2 gmon.out's so far [06:21] i c [06:21] i opened and closed it twice [06:27] danix (~dany@host33-100-static.39-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: ciau :D [06:31] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:31] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Woohoo [06:31] I succeeded in packaging comix. [06:31] It just works [06:32] offtopic: I have some barcodes, one being a 2D data matrix and I want to decode them. Any idea how? or in what channel to ask? [06:32] It's a happy day in my life. [06:32] Azeotrope, Is it some kind of 2D barcode? [06:34] yep [06:35] I don't know. [06:35] Azeotrope : Google probably has a better answer. [06:35] better than I don't know. [06:35] Action: slackie hey buddies \o [06:36] I did, I found only a way to encode data into barcodes. [06:37] Nicce (~Nicce@ip-154-196-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [06:38] Nicce (Nicce@ip-154-196-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left ##slackware. [06:40] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:41] skanlite won't see my samsung all-in-one. lsusb does [06:41] letrozko (~letrozko@188.24.214.30) joined ##slackware. [06:41] what should i do? [06:44] How can I set an editor with to use with zsh? [06:45] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [06:46] hello? [06:48] Axius, set VISUAL env to the editor you want [06:49] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:49] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [06:50] Skywise: I use vim [06:52] help please [06:53] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:57] Axius (~fd@92.85.222.41) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:57] I have this atheros chipset PCI express card on my desktop (which has also an wired network connection) and I'd like to use it as a wifi router/access point. Please give some advices, I don't know where to start. [06:58] Guest95613 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:02] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.210) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:02] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:03] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Azeotrope : Google router linux [07:06] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [07:08] how do i get to use my scanner on slackware64 13.1? i can see it in lsusb but skanlite won't show it [07:10] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-151.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:10] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:11] Azeotrope : What printer do you have? [07:12] crocket: samsung scx4521f [07:12] Azeotrope, did you turn on your printer after you plugged it in a USB Port? [07:12] Are you a korean? [07:13] Samsung HQ is located in korea [07:13] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-82-231.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [07:14] crocket: lol, i'm not korean. and i have it plugged, lsusb *sees* it [07:14] ok [07:14] do you use KDE? [07:14] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [07:15] yes [07:15] i just chmodded +x cups but i can't see any scanning function in there [07:16] Azeotrope : google "samsung scx4521f linux". Again you can see the driver download page. [07:17] My hp printer is automatically recognized since hplib is installed by default in slackware and many other linux distros [07:18] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [07:18] Azeotrope : Google often gets you results quickly. [07:18] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [07:18] ... [07:18] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest14954 [07:18] what's the default user/pass for CUPS? [07:19] It's your root id and password. [07:20] Or some other authorized users [07:20] Azeotrope : Your root ID/password is the master key. [07:20] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [07:20] chendy (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) joined ##slackware. [07:22] wertik_rus (~wertik@athedsl-387751.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Azeotrope, did you download and install the driver? [07:23] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:23] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] when a program has taken over the mouse, is there a way to get back to the desktop? i was playing lugaru and it seems to trap all keystrokes no matter what [07:30] You're trapped [07:31] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:31] hiptobecubic, how about Ctrl+Alt+Backspace? It turns off X session. [07:31] sysrq [07:31] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [07:31] hiptobecubic: Alt+PrintScreen+R, release, Alt+Ctrl+F2 [07:31] or ssh to the computer? [07:33] adrien : how do you read ssh? [07:33] adrien : What does Alt+PrintScreen+R, release, Alt+Ctrl,F2 do? [07:33] I dare not try myself [07:39] letrozko (letrozko@188.24.214.30) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:42] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@athedsl-387751.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:42] well ideally, i'd like to be able to do the windows equiv of alt tab in and out of the game [07:42] so that i dno't have to quit and restart everytime someone messages me [07:44] how the hell do you use cups? it sais forbidden when I try to admin with my regular user. if I use root it won't validate [07:44] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:52] hiptobecubic, maybe Alt+SysReq+r http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [07:52] Nicce (~Nicce@ip-8-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Azeotrope (JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [07:56] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:56] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [08:02] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:03] ivorynet (~ivory@110.137.49.7) joined ##slackware. [08:03] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [08:04] crocket: I said it: sysrq, use google for the rest [08:04] hiptobecubic: which game? [08:04] hello [08:07] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [08:09] he said he was playing "lugaru", use google for the rest :) [08:09] haha [08:11] "It is a DRM-free, third-person action game available for Mac, Windows, and Linux." [08:15] danix (~danix@host152-55-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:15] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] tank-man: oh, right, I was thinking it was somebody else who was playing lugaru :P [08:21] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [08:22] whats the easiest way to allow users to connect tru kppp ? [08:24] adrien : I thought sysrq was some kind of meaningless stuff. [08:27] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:31] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-82-231.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:34] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:34] Nicce (~Nicce@ip-8-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [08:37] edthix (~ed@124.13.34.207) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [08:39] crocket: why would I say something meaningless? :P [08:39] digifor (~felixdz@122.252.180.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:39] adrien : Plus, I didn't know you said it to me. [08:40] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:40] 1) I didn't know sysrq, then 2) I didn't know you said it to me. Conclusion) I ignored it [08:40] I mentionned sysrq to hiptobecubic actually [08:40] ok [08:40] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:41] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:42] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:45] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Hello. I can't use my printer in Slackware64 though lsusb sees it. [08:46] clavius (James@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [08:46] did you tell cups abou tit? [08:46] about it [08:48] i tried, but i can't connect with my root credentials and with my regular user it sais forbidden [08:48] alisonken1home: it's a multifunctional, skanlite won't see it either [08:49] root credentials in a webpage don't work? [08:49] http://localhost:631 [08:50] nope [08:50] it keeps asking for the user/apss [08:50] pass [08:52] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:52] yea, i went to CUPS for admins, add printer [08:52] hmm - sound like you missed a step somewhere then. [08:52] what browser are you using? and do you have cookies enabled? [08:52] like? i just chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.cups and then started it [08:52] firefox, yes [08:53] what de are you using? [08:54] kde [08:54] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [08:54] when i login with azeotrope i get Add Printer Error Unable to add printer: Forbidden [08:55] You have to add azeotrope to the cups System group [08:55] of course, azeotrope is not a root account [08:55] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [08:56] alienBOB, there's a cups system group now? [08:56] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:56] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:57] Look in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf , there is s System group(s) mentioned thee which CUPS wants the admins to be in [08:57] breakneck21_ulti (~ultimate@122.161.21.236) joined ##slackware. [08:57] breakneck21_ulti (~ultimate@122.161.21.236) left irc: Client Quit [08:57] alienBOB: colour me curious, but isn't that also in the cups documentation? [08:57] ah - administrator group on cupsd.conf - I was thinking /etc/group [08:58] me too [08:58] evanton (~cbbe@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [08:58] spook: ? [08:59] hmm- I just http://localhost:631, when it asks for login to perfrom admin funtion I just enter "root" and password, and it works fine [08:59] alisonken1home: yes here as well [09:00] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [09:00] But, you can configure cups to accept a normal user account as well for admin functions [09:00] hmm - now I'm gonna have to upgrade to 13.1 and check it out [09:01] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:03] alisonken1home: i tried that and same thing [09:03] you entered "root" for user and root's password and it didn't work? [09:03] trying to install nvidia drivers on 13.1. the installer gets to 15% on finding conflicting X files and hangs. What version of the driver works with 13.1? [09:03] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:04] alisonken1home: yes. also i added my user to cups.conf and tried it as well [09:05] Azeotrope, I forgot, did you do a full install? and which version again? [09:06] alisonken1home: yea, full install for Slackware64 13.1 [09:06] Azeotrope: did you restart cups after editing? [09:07] restart cups that is [09:07] spook: sure [09:07] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:08] i don't know why but since the fresh install of 13.1 many things are not working properly [09:08] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] the install i made was full, with no errors [09:09] i think the .iso was corrupted, missing packages and all. [09:10] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Azeotrope, try ":ls /var/log/package |wc -l" and see what you get [09:10] without the colon [09:10] Azeotrope: did you check the checksum of the iso? and if there are missing packages, wouldn't your installation have errors? [09:10] ls: cannot access /var/log/package: No such file or directory [09:10] 0 [09:11] packages [09:11] sorry - missed an s there [09:11] spook: i found 2 mirrors with missing packages. no in the .iso though. [09:11] alisonken1home: 1132 [09:12] Azeotrope: did you check the checksum of the iso? [09:13] i did but it wouldn't matter since k3b freezed at 99%. for an hour or so [09:13] at the lead-out thing [09:13] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Azeotrope: you can also check the checksum of the disk, after it's done [09:14] manually I mean [09:14] i did it after, i didn't correspond. i thought i was because of the 99% percent thing [09:15] maybe that would have been a good idea. 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[09:26] http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/adobe-warns-of-critical-flaw-in-flash-acrobat-reader/ [09:26] another flash exploit [09:26] and it affects linux [09:27] flash version 10.0.45.2 [09:28] late friday warning? lol [09:28] what a nice excuse for not doing anything until monday [09:28] "it's weekend, dudes, suck it up" [09:28] :-) [09:28] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [09:28] depends on where you live [09:28] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] early saturday warning for me ;-) [09:29] adrien: "late friday" was a quote from the above link :) [09:29] incognitus (~neam@212.233.209.134) joined ##slackware. [09:29] hello all [09:29] happy slack 13.1! [09:29] :) [09:29] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [09:30] i need to connect and use my handy via bluetooth. how to do it [09:31] danix (~danix@host152-55-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:32] evanton: ah, ok, I have to admit I'm not reading articles about flash problems, far too many /o\  [09:33] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [09:35] JosephK (~Light@farmville.parisceramicsusa.com) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Hiya all [09:37] If anyone in here knows a lot about Raid V... I have a task in front of me to replace all 4 drives in the array. On the theory that Raid V is set up to allow one drive to go bad, and the others make up for it, and the whole hot swappable deal, can someone here tell me a bit about what it takes to do this job without reinstalling Linux and all that if it's possible?? [09:38] JosephK, first question is "are you replacing drives of the same type/size, or are the replacements a different size" [09:38] alphad64 (~alphad@41.66.5.210) joined ##slackware. [09:38] personally, i'd image your drive, replace all the drives, make the array and restore the image [09:39] you can't make the array bigger just by putting in larger disks [09:40] but you should be able to grow it, but its resource intensive and bound to take as long as just making a new array and restoring to it [09:40] the drives are faster and bigger... [09:40] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.195) joined ##slackware. [09:40] I have all but the sys and proc directories backed up daily [09:41] yeah, but can you restore to bare iron? [09:41] clavius (James@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [09:41] Well I wasn't actually planing to [09:41] My stupid ass was thinking that I would swap one drive at a time, give it time to sync up, then do another... [09:41] is there actually 'iron' in any PC component? [09:42] can you have all 8 drives installed at the same time [09:42] sure, the psu gots lots [09:42] Then again, that seems far fetched [09:42] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [09:42] My next plan was, while booted on the CD, I would restore from backup... [09:43] you don't wanna reconstruct a raid 5 array 4 times and then grow it [09:43] okay so the best thing is my second idea?? [09:44] i think what you should do is shut down and replace all the drives, keep your old drives labeled so you could put them back if needed [09:44] ok [09:44] then boot and do a restore [09:44] Can I replce the whole bin and usr directories and libs in a live system like that?? [09:44] and etc?? [09:45] I used rsync to make the backups.. The ownership and permissions are preserved [09:45] you'd prolly mount your new array to /mnt and then restore to it, update lilo and reboot [09:45] other than the boot files themselves, yes [09:45] okay thanks all [09:45] or you could restore, boot the cd only set root to your new array and boot it [09:45] then run lilo from that [09:46] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:46] good luck to ya [09:46] danke [09:46] I bet I will be back [09:46] heheheh [09:46] just make sure you have time, cause its gonna take a while [09:46] Cheers all [09:46] JosephK (~Light@farmville.parisceramicsusa.com) left irc: Quit: Ciao [09:46] JosephK (~Light@farmville.parisceramicsusa.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] what was that last thing?? [09:46] Just make sure... [09:47] just make sure you have time, cause its gonna take a while [09:47] I do thanks [09:47] cheers [09:47] JosephK (~Light@farmville.parisceramicsusa.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] Axius (~fd@92.84.11.125) joined ##slackware. [09:48] well, i found bluez and blueman, which are great tools, but there is something wrong. when i chose my telefon to be mounted i get a message "Failed to mount "name" on /home/user/obexfs/....." [09:48] wobbles (huntsman@C-59-101-178-224.mel.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:48] Guest14954 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:48] thats one of the things i hate about managing a raid5 array, i wonder if using lvm and just sticking a new array on would be simpler [09:50] danix (~danix@host152-55-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:50] may be things are related to obex-data-server [09:51] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] it need libMagickWand.so.2 which is not part of my system [09:55] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:57] Razec (~razec@187.34.19.244) joined ##slackware. [09:57] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Guest99246 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [10:11] luiss_ (~luiss@host174-178-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Hi, I played a bit yesterday with syslinux and dev to make an usb live distro, but today I cannot halt the system cause it says "timout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl" and on rebooting it says it "Could not find the root block device" some1 got hints please? 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[10:36] Growl (~Growl@109.105.173.70) joined ##slackware. [10:36] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] luiss_: nobody seems to have an answer, so there is no need to keep repeating it... and how does it relate to Slackware?//////////////// [10:37] Is src2pkg included in slackware? [10:37] because I'm using slackware.. [10:37] Axius, no [10:37] yes nobody knows but fom time to time someone join he channel and he could have the answer, no? [10:37] Axius: no, but it's a nice addition [10:38] Where can I find it? [10:38] google :) [10:38] google knows the answer [10:39] luiss_ (~luiss@host174-178-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:39] ^^ [10:40] Femaq (~Femaq@78-62-149-199.static.zebra.lt) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Femaq (~Femaq@78-62-149-199.static.zebra.lt) left irc: Client Quit [10:44] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:16] incognitus (~neam@212.233.209.134) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:16] can't answer for slackware, but some distros have separate php from apache2_mod_php [11:17] doesn't seem to be a apache mod [11:17] PACKAGE LOCATION: ./php-5.2.12-i486-1_slack12.2.tgz [11:17] nickstolen: certain modules have options and you can put their config in a .ini file in there instead of clutter your php.ini [11:17] /usr/php/ini/php/php/var/www/php/php5/php/ini/php.ini [11:17] even in slackware, you can run php with other web servers than apache [11:17] fred: or as a standalone interpreter [11:17] also, if you run "php" from a shell, it uses /etc/php [11:17] who the hell wants to run php? [11:17] ente: people [11:18] does not explain why php installed a empty /etc/php/ [11:18] ananke: must be a bunch of stupid people out there [11:18] nickstolen: IE: APC [11:18] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:18] ente: ohh, the irony [11:18] ente likewise they think you are stupid too. [11:18] ente, there are people that know php, and don't want to learn perl/python/bash/and others [11:18] nickstolen: yes it does. if it wasn't there you'd not know to put them there. [11:19] JosephK (~Light@farmville.parisceramicsusa.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] I predicted I would be back... and here I am [11:19] plee: pity, unfortunately large parts of the PHP community are what I consider programming-illiterate [11:19] agentc0re I must be blind then cause it is empty [11:19] nickstolen: awesome, I like being considered stupid by the stupid :) [11:19] nickstolen: because you don't have any modules installed that are using any extra config options. have you not read a single thing i've said? [11:20] not used the /ig on irc in years but starting to reconsider it. [11:20] ananke: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yfCih_TURDg/Snrpo3mqUDI/AAAAAAAAAe8/ecGN1U2xwOM/s400/Motivational+Poster+-+Irony.jpg [11:20] ente, well, they know their language, and it must serve their purpose since they use it. And by that I can't see how they are illiterate [11:20] When I boot up on the slackware CD how to I make the installed partition the ROOT partition so I can do some configs and all that for rebooting and all that?? [11:21] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [11:21] I did it once before but I forgot how [11:21] plee: http://tnx.nl/php_small.jpg [11:21] why even threat to ignore me, what does it solve? Just do it, i really couldn't care any less right now. [11:21] not talking about you agentc0re [11:21] god what the fuck is this [11:21] weekend emo session [11:22] JosephK: passing options through lilo or chrooting [11:22] nickstolen: a bit of an overraction from you too [11:22] ente, and yes, you prove my point. As being the illiterate :) [11:22] JosephK, you mean booting your root partition with the Cd's kernel, or? [11:22] Need just a bit more handholding than that [11:22] ananke one simpel question and I get php is stupid and are you stupid [11:22] or booting the install Cd + mounting ? [11:23] I booted on the slack CD... Need to make the installed partition on the HD the new root partition so I can pico the lilo.conf file [11:23] plee: http://tnx.nl/php.html <- this nice document is a good conclusion why PHP is to be considered a fail as a programming language [11:23] JosephK, ok, do you know what the root partition is? /dev/sda1 or similar? [11:23] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:23] nickstolen: considering you were having a conversation with him, and then you go on to talk about ignore, it's easy to lose track. [11:23] yeah I do [11:23] furthermore, PHP is insecure and I would not put it on my system, unless in a freebsd jail or something [11:24] JosephK, ok, mount that to a location; 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' for example [11:24] nickstolen: i'm talking about your overreaction to agentc0re, not to ente :) [11:24] ente: oh I know a prefect solution.. unplug the power cable and sit in front of the tele [11:24] secure as hell [11:24] nickstolen: I feel pretty safe without PHP [11:24] JosephK, then, we will trick the system to thinking we're in there, with 3 commands: mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc ; mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev ; chroot /mnt /bin/bash [11:24] I have it mounted [11:24] thanks [11:24] nickstolen: oh, okay. Thats good, thought you were insulting me over trying to help you. you can also create a new .ini in there and add new php.ini settings there instead of your php.ini, although that is a bit silly to do. [11:25] nickstolen, it might be dangerous to watch television too.. [11:25] ente: thats like saying taking the stairs is safe and the levator is for the mortally insane [11:25] ananke: you hit head of the nail right on. :D [11:25] JosephK, that will 'change' your root to /mnt/, and have /dev and /proc mounted (since it sounds like you want to mess with lilo) [11:25] nickstolen: why exactly? [11:26] agentc0re :) no wasn't, I just wondering why it's done this way on slackware. [11:26] why is php so insecure? [11:26] then, edit your lilo.conf (pico /etc/lilo.conf), run 'lilo' , and then type "exit" when you are all done [11:26] nickstolen: TBH, i thought it was done on all systems as it's a ./configure option /shrug [11:26] agentc0re: ask zend, not me. did you read the source? [11:27] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:27] nickstolen: b4mad.info is your site? [11:28] Action: [11:28] , [11:28] Fatal error: Call to undefined function: dbt_getlinktag() in /usr/www/users/bsmads/b4mad.net/datenbrei/wp-content/themes/hemingway/single.php on line 34 [11:28] maybe you should fix that :D [11:28] agentc0re: quoting ananke " some distros have separate php from apache2_mod_php " used to seeing php and php_mod as seperate on BSD too. [11:28] /usr/www ? [11:28] ente if it were mine maybe I would. [11:28] Axius (~fd@92.84.11.125) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:28] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:28] belongs to a bunch of ex suse devs. [11:28] go bother them if you feel the need. [11:29] thrice`: jailed system as far as I can remember [11:29] thrice`: /worldwideweb/www/users [11:29] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Wow I really appreciate the guys in this channel... You guys always know what I need... Thanks so much [11:30] sure thing JosephK :) [11:31] nickstolen: so even the ex suse devs have p [11:31] well fwiw if you are worried about security you can add suhosin to your php. i've created instructions on that, not just that but i think you could extract the parts you would want, http://learnix.net/fastasscgi-part1/ [11:31] hp in a jail for no reason? [11:32] marek_ (~marek@87.52.broadband12.iol.cz) joined ##slackware. [11:32] ente and whats your point ? [11:32] openbsd is locked down by default and thats not safe. [11:33] I don't like openbsd for that reason [11:33] why don't yoou join theo on his bandwagon of no OS is safe zealot. [11:33] See, I had to swap out all the drives on this Raid V with new faster and bigger ones... I replaced them, reinstalled linux, and I had a good backup on a USB 1TB drive... Now I am still booted on the Slack CD, so I did a CP -r /usbdrive/* / which, in theory, will replace all the new installed directories with the old ones... Hopefully the permissions will be preserved from the source drive as I did the backups with rsync... Sound good?? [11:33] it locks everything down and claims to be more secure [11:33] You will fit the fook right in with you random this that is not safe. [11:33] geesh seriously [11:35] Ok no response there... [11:35] JosephK, cp has a '-p' flag to maintain permissions/ownerships [11:35] or, you can pipe tar or something tricky [11:36] Anyway I replaced the old 80gig 7200rpm drives with 146gig 15krpm drives... This thing SCREAMS [11:36] hey guys. can you please help me with dvd playback? i read through a couple of forums online, saying that with this output Playing dvd://. [11:36] libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access [11:36] libdvdread: Couldn't find device name. [11:36] Channel flood from marek_ -- kicking [11:36] libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed [11:36] libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed [11:36] marek_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:36] thrice did that [11:36] I did a cp -p -R [11:36] ok :) [11:37] mosno, install dvdcss ? [11:37] the only hitng I forgot to do was tag to boot partition as bootable when I did the fdisk... I am thinking that since the slack install saw that it was bootable that won't be a factor, I hope... [11:39] Ok no response there... gettting worried [11:40] sorry, i'm clueless about raid [11:40] as am I obviously [11:40] all I can tell you is, it's REALLY fast [11:40] lol [11:41] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:41] Nick change: razec_ -> Razec [11:41] 4 15krpm drives in a raid V configuration.. Gets you like 15gigs A second in R/W [11:42] if one drive fails, it is all redundant, so you just swap it and you are good to go [11:42] nice. and the network to put that stuff thru? [11:42] 10mbit bnc [11:42] hahahah that's the bottleneck here now... 100bt [11:42] stop spoiling my punchline ;) [11:42] wold rather have gigabit but it will do for what they do here [11:42] sorry [11:43] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:43] Nick change: dartmouth -> melug-south [11:44] They WERE running this HP Proliant Blade server with... *** begins to choke *** MS Windows Server 2003.... It took me four years to convince them to let me put linux on this thing.. Was screaming with the OLD drives... Now it will positively SMOKE!!!! [11:44] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:45] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@host77-126-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:46] LOL [11:47] ... 10mbit? not even 100? [11:48] JosephK: you know, nobody in the real world refers to raid levels with roman numerals :) [11:49] and while we are at it ... anybody stating he runs a 2+ TB raid 5 needs to be smacked. repeatedly. raid 6 is the thing you want. [11:49] bah [11:49] raid 1 is where its at [11:49] and raid 10 if you need speed [11:49] i dont use any raid. it's overraided. [11:50] boo [11:50] ;) [11:50] raid is fault tolerant, not bulletproof [11:50] irssi yea I use perl [11:50] marek_ (~marek@87.52.broadband12.iol.cz) joined ##slackware. [11:50] other fooking security hazard [11:50] k, time to throw some other obscure levels into the mix: raid3 ftw! [11:50] but i think raid 5 and 6 are both fragile in the context of the real world [11:51] Skywise: they're not [11:51] nah, raid 3 and 4 are supplanted by 5 [11:51] hey guys. can you please help me with dvd playback? i read through a couple of forums online, saying that with this output: "Playing dvd:// libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access libdvdread: Couldn't find device name libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. Can't open VMG info! No stream [11:51] found to handle url dvd://", i should do chmod o+r /dev/dvd and the same for cdrom. None of it works. I cannot even open the dvd contents in Dolphin. I just hear the dvd spinning for like 2 seconds and it stops. Can somebody please help? I am using 13.1 64 bit and the output is by mplayer [11:51] marek_, again, did you install libdvdcss? [11:51] marek_: :P use pastebin if you want to avoid bot kicking [11:51] they're both computationally intensive and reconstruting is practically the most dangerous activity [11:52] Growl (Growl@109.105.173.70) left ##slackware. [11:52] Skywise: that's in theory. you're talking about real world [11:52] it is in real world [11:52] yes i did install it [11:52] i used to use raid 5 and 6 and now i use raid 1 [11:52] especially with the tb+ drives, i'll use 3 in a raid 1 [11:52] Skywise: what you use doesn't really provide an actual argument, does it? [11:53] sure it does [11:53] Growl (~Growl@109.105.173.70) joined ##slackware. [11:53] we're talking about the real world [11:53] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Skywise: it doesn't provide argument to your statement that raid5 and raid6 are fragile in the context of real world [11:53] i've had several raid 5 arrays die during recontruction [11:53] now that's an actual argument [11:53] We use raid 1 in the office :/ thats just cost my manager is clueless and I can't get budget for upgrades. [11:54] because drives of the same vintage tend to fail around the same time [11:54] and reconstructing basically hammers on the drives to their limit to rebuild as fast as possible [11:54] there isn't a more stressfull situation on the system [11:55] Skywise: you do know that virtually every real hardware raid controller allows you to set the resource limit for rebuild, and software raid allows you to set the max rebuild rate? [11:55] thats not the real problem tho, because you're not using the system while its rebuilding [11:56] thrice': I did install it. I even installed libdvdnav and i have no clue what to do now [11:56] you as in me personally, or you as in some hypothetical situation? [11:56] the problem isn't wether you hammer the drives are not, its that they fail around the same time [11:56] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] i don't mean you specifically [11:57] Skywise: then it's not a problem with raid level, but drives themselves. three failed drives at the same time will result in a disaster, be it raid5, raid6, or raid1 [11:57] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.195) joined ##slackware. [11:58] well, i think when a raid drive fails, you shouldn't reconstruct even if you can [11:59] instead, back up the data, and replace the array entirely [11:59] it will take about as long and you have all new drives [11:59] let the first failure be the canary [11:59] Skywise: so instead of reading from the drives [to rebuild the array], you're suggesting to read from the drives? [11:59] marek_, sorry, i've gotta run; you could try mplayer dvdnav:// ? [12:00] thats what I did last week [12:00] copying from the drives isn't as intensive as reconstructing the array [12:00] narhen (~henrik@90.149.34.19) joined ##slackware. [12:00] metafiles were all corrupted, was faster to unplug drive, backup and insert clean drives and install fresh [12:00] took half the time needed. [12:00] because reconstructing is a r/w operation [12:01] Skywise: on a side note, i'd be interested in the sample size: how many arrays you've had fail like you described, versus how many you have working [12:01] thrice`: thank you. it doesn't work but thanx anyway [12:02] well it would be hard to quantify, but lets just say i only have 1 raid 5 array still running and its replacement will be raid 1 [12:02] Skywise: that's a false presumption. reconstructing is no more intensive than reading. [12:02] Skywise: so what was the total number of raid arrays you have? [12:03] i've been doing this for decades [12:03] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [12:03] Skywise: that doesn't really answer the question of sample size, in context of 'real world' [12:04] theres hundreds, most i only hear about again when its time to upgrade [12:04] but it wouldn't matter anyway [12:04] the reason i ask is simple. your experience with multiple failed arrays doesn't match mine, and i have few hundred of those in operation [12:05] i've had it happen too often and i'm not alone in that experience [12:05] [funny enough, i was expecting to see a large number of failures in the past 6 months, with the construction of steam tunnels going outside of our buildings. everything was shaking constantly] [12:05] bundling raid 1 arrays with lvm i think is a more robust solution [12:06] ente (ente@unaffiliated/n0nsense) left ##slackware ("Broken Pipe"). [12:06] ffelf (~ffelf@brln-4d0cb73a.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] vibrations were more of an issue with the older drives with lots of platters, but most drives only have 1 or 2 now [12:06] not sure how you can consider raid1 [if you're talking about only two drives in each array] to be safer than raid6 [12:07] because raid 1 doesn't use cpu and while raid 6 can survive the loss of 2 drives, you also lose the capacity of 2 drives [12:08] so with 4 drives, you could have 2 raid 1 arrays glued with lvm or 1 raid 6 of the same capacity [12:08] array\ [12:08] indeed, same loss of capacity, yet much safer [12:09] I think that LVM Raid1 does not increase read speed, while dmraid does [12:09] i hate raid. [12:09] i agree [12:09] AppDeb: it can, if you do lvm with striping. by default it's spanning [12:09] cause i can't take out a drive and dd it and make sure everything is there, i dont trust the cards [12:10] i dont know what they're up to, i can't boot up with an old drive or vica versa without being scared if it's copying bad shit [12:10] Skywise: so on one hand you're arguing that raid6 is fragile, yet your scenario with two raid1 arrays is actually more fragile [12:10] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:10] ananke, is there striping and spanning in RAID1? [12:11] AppDeb: raid1 is striping [12:11] AppDeb: doh, i mean raid1 is mirroring [12:11] well the loss of 2 drives in the same raid 1 array would be a total loss, but i still recover data from the defuct raid 1 drive and have it be useful [12:11] raid0 is striping [12:11] it just scares me man [12:11] with raid6 whats on a drive makes no sense outside of the context of the array [12:11] Skywise: huh? [12:11] ananke, I talked about raid1 , so what does your answer about striping/spanning have to do with anything [12:12] AppDeb: you talked about increasing read speed. with lvm you can have increased read speed if you're doing striped lvm [12:12] ananke, I talked about increased speed in Raid1 [12:13] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:13] AppDeb: "12:07 AppDeb> I think that LVM Raid1 does not increase read speed" [12:13] ananke, yes while mdadm does [12:13] AppDeb: LVM in striped mode does too [12:14] ananke, who talks about striped, I talking about mirroring here [12:14] Skywise: your scenario still remains more fragile [12:14] i made a mistake, i'm not running any more raid 5 arrays, i just looked at what i thought was the last and its raid 1 now [12:15] AppDeb: i'm talking about striped mode, in context of Skywise's scenario of lvm on top of multiple raid1 arrays [12:15] i think an unclean shutdown can damage an raid6 array more then raid1 [12:15] Skywise: never seen that happen [12:16] ananke, ok but with "mirror only" "raid1 only", mdadm increases read speed but lvm does not, that's what I wanted to say [12:16] Skywise: and seriously, raid10 array is still more fragile than raid6 [12:16] well raid0 is seriously fragile [12:17] but i wouldn't use striping [12:17] raid 1 doesn't really impose a performance penalty [12:17] Guest99246 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:17] AppDeb: to be honest, last time i've read in depth analysis of MD, it didn't do reading from multiple raid1 members at once. [12:18] Skywise: even with spanning/jbod/lvm, you're at the mercy of filesystem on top of your raid1 arrays [12:19] yeah, but drives are so large now i doubt i'll even use lvm [12:19] seagate has a 3tb comming out now [12:19] and i'd be interested in seeing up to date MD raid1 description that mentions otherwise [12:19] and there gonna be flash drives large enough to back them up [12:20] Skywise: i have filesystems 20+ TB in size. lvm is still useful :) [12:20] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:20] i'd hate to have that much data all together [12:20] i prefer to use hsm and roll stuff off to archive [12:20] actually, in a couple of weeks i'll be deploying a small cluster, with 60+ TB of shared storage [80TB raw] [12:21] and that all needs to be live? [12:21] yep [12:21] that gives me the willies, what will you back it up with [12:21] not to mention, available at high speeds. i'm going from multiple 10GE links to QDR IB fabric [12:22] nothing. vast majority of it can be recreated [12:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:22] well thats not so bad then [12:23] i don't like to have more space then i can backup [12:23] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-106-167-218.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] because that little bit you hoped you didn't need to have backed up will always get lost [12:25] yep [12:29] mosno (mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left ##slackware. [12:30] what i really wish is that smart drives were worth a damn [12:30] i've never had any warning before the drive craps out [12:31] dTd (~dTd@66.212.210.213) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:31] you don't take the clanking sound the drive makes as a warning? :) [12:31] no, thats only to get my attention [12:32] ang: i challenge you to hear a clanking sound in any of my data centers :) [12:32] well I took it as a warning when the pc under my desk started clanking 3 days ago. backed that sucker up asap :) [12:32] ananke: what would i win? :-D [12:34] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [12:34] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:34] ang: native indian name: 'one who hears things' [12:35] hehehe [12:35] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:36] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:36] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [12:36] those things would probably be voices in my head [12:36] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:37] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [12:37] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] anyone have issues with two different switches, one working at a specific distance and the other not ? [12:39] jeev: you need to raid them [12:39] rssn6 (~rssn6@modemcable100.51-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:39] jeev, same cable? [12:40] yep [12:40] one with a 2 wire dsl router with 4 port switch built in and one is an 8port netgear, this has happened before.. distance aint that bad, it's maybe 50 feet of line [12:41] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [12:42] alphad64 (~alphad@41.66.5.210) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:46] Here's a good question.. This copy is taking FOREVER... How can one tell what level USB controller one has? Meaning, do I have USB 2.0 or USB 1.1? Is there a command in linux that will show me that?? [12:47] dmesg doesn't tell me much [12:47] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [12:47] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest80016 [12:47] JosephK: lspci | grep USB ? [12:50] there's also a lsusb command [12:51] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-106-167-218.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:51] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:51] ang: that doesn't say the controller [12:52] fred: yes it does [12:52] well, I guess it lists the root hubs [12:52] (sorry) [12:52] which is basically the same information. either should give JosephK what he wanted [12:53] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Hmm, almost certainly irrelevant here, I do have some older systems where lsusb doesn't show the root hub [12:55] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: chao pajudos =P [12:55] well, it seems to have 4 USB 1.1 contollers and one USB2.0 controller [12:55] hrmmmm [12:56] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:56] 'The question now becomes... Which controller is my USB drive using? More importantly, if it isn't using the 2.0 controller, how can I make it use the 2.0?? The device is 2.0 compliant [12:57] JosephK: which root hub is on the same bus as your device? [12:58] Hard to tell [12:58] There are three ports on this thing from what I can tell [12:58] the bus number is in the lsusb output [12:59] k hold [12:59] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:00] when I have X composite enabled in my xorg.conf, video playback is bad - video tears in a band/bar near the top of the video... this is with nvidia driver... is there a way to fix this? [13:02] gazl (~gazl@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Evening all. [13:03] OK I switched it into the USB port on the front of the server blade... [13:03] Now.. .According to dmesg the device is at 1-5 [13:03] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:04] anybody running xbmc on 13.1? [13:04] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] and according to lsusb, Bus 001 is the 2.0 bus [13:05] is it common that a blade server would not support USB2.0 on ALL the usb ports?? [13:05] it is from 2006 [13:08] adamk: bah.. so I finally got around to installing ati 10.5 drivers using the --buildpkg Slackware/All, switched to those.. and I no longer have direct rendering [13:08] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:08] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-68.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:09] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [13:12] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:15] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:18] sluckxz: no, but have successfully built xbmc on 13.1 [13:19] adamk: nevermind, I was an idiot. all's well now [13:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:20] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:21] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:21] Hrmmm when I do a dmesg, my USB backup drive is device 1-5 Does that mean the drive is now on bus USB001? [13:21] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:22] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:22] I ask because, according to lsusb, bus 001 is the 2.0 bus [13:24] someone use gschem ? [13:24] gEDA * [13:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:27] fred Well, I don't know... [13:27] When I use lsusb, it lists the hub I WANT to use as 001 [13:27] When I do a dmesg, according to it, the device I am using is on 1-5 [13:28] lsusb also lists the bus number for the device, not just the hubs. [13:28] In Dmesg, the device was discovered as a HIGH-SPEED usb device, which is a good sign [13:28] the thing is, the CP is seg faulting [13:28] now THAT sucks [13:29] actually it isnt' [13:29] Now, here's the thing [13:29] lsusb only seems to list the controllers, and not the devices [13:30] Bus 005 Device 008: ID 046d:c01b Logitech, Inc. MX310 Optical Mouse [13:30] All I get us root hubs on this machine [13:31] IS root hubs.... [13:31] it's an HP blade server [13:31] is there another way to see what devices are where on USB?? [13:31] dmesg says the drive I am looking at is device 1-5 [13:32] does that mean bus 001 device 5? [13:33] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt2-port-98.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] adrien, ever seen the "taskbar" area where it shows what's open missing? only the K option for KDE is showing. [13:40] some stupid girl messed it up at the office, i gave her slackware to use cause she kept getting spyware [13:40] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:40] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] jeev: no idea, not using kde /o\ [13:41] ok i'll see then [13:42] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:44] lock widgets foo [13:44] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] how do i get it back [13:45] i think they're bitching for me to put xp back on [13:45] i dont know , add widget? [13:45] i'll check when im there [13:45] i can only see what's open via alt tab [13:46] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [13:47] yeah you have to add widgets, task manager [13:49] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [13:51] and next time lock those widgets ;) [13:52] i'll look to see if i can find it, im not too familiar with kde either as i use slackware to host pretty much :D but im getting my ssd for my slackware desktop, i've got a ssd on my laptop for slack but i dont use it much, hour a week.. [13:52] getting my intel x25 for my core i7 system i have at home and always use cause im tired of windows 7 [13:58] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. 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[14:23] one is 1280x800 [14:23] razec_ (~razec@187.34.16.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:23] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [14:23] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:23] manhunter kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Impersonating Pat V. did not help either. Grow up, get a life [14:23] the laptop one [14:23] depends on graphics card i think [14:23] and the other is 1280x1024 [14:23] how do you impersonate Pat V? [14:23] I have an intel.. [14:24] I read that there are 2 possibilities with 2 screen mode [14:24] one is the clone way [14:24] the monitors show the same desktop [14:24] xrandr might be able to help you out [14:24] but if I want 2 different desktop on them? [14:24] man xrandr [14:24] yes xrandr can do that [14:24] read up on it [14:24] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:25] I'm trying it [14:25] I'll let you know :) [14:25] you probably want something like "xrandr --output VGA --left-of --output LVDS --auto" [14:25] assuming your internal panel is LVDS [14:26] I think of yes cause I saw LVDS on one of the desktop names [14:26] 2 hours ago when I tried for the first time [14:26] but maybe I have to restart X [14:27] actually I attach the secondo screen without restart the session [14:28] fred [14:28] this is the output of xrandr [14:28] without any parameter [14:28] Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 8192 x 8192 [14:28] VGA1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [14:28] 1280x1024 60.0 + 75.0 [14:28] Action: fred points at pastebins [14:28] 1280x960 60.0 [14:28] ... [14:28] 1152x864 75.0 [14:29] 1024x768 75.1 70.1 60.0 [14:29] 832x624 74.6 [14:29] 800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 [14:29] 640x480 72.8 75.0 66.7 60.0 [14:29] 720x400 70.1 [14:29] LVDS1 connected 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 331mm x 207mm [14:29] 1280x800 59.9*+ [14:29] 1024x768 60.0 [14:29] 800x600 60.3 56.2 [14:29] 640x480 59.9 [14:29] DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [14:29] TV1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [14:29] (sorry) [14:29] shame on me! [14:29] use a pastebin next time... [14:29] hi can I use g++34 in 13.0? [14:29] above line should work if you replace VGA with VGA1 and LVDS with LVDS1 [14:29] I know fred [14:29] it was an error! [14:29] oh, though miss the second "--output" [14:30] ("--left-of LVDS1") [14:30] brainvision: I'll write it for the whole channel: die! :P [14:30] hello I installed w3af and their dependencies [14:30] adrien: thnx! [14:30] but when I run w3af_gui the result is the following [14:30] sorry fred [14:30] I'm not understanding [14:30] http://pastebin.com/dddSPQhP [14:30] brainvision: np :P [14:30] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.124.229.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:30] adrien: :) [14:31] brainvision: type "xrandr --output VGA1 --off", folloiwed by "xrandr --output VGA1 --auto --left-of LVDS1" [14:31] if that's not quite what you're wanting, the info is in the man page. [14:31] http://i46.tinypic.com/xnaetg.png that's what my desktop looks like as a screenshot - the black bar on the bottom right is because the right monitor is a widescreen, but the left monitor is standard 4:3 and higher resolution than the widescreen [14:32] ok fred [14:32] I didn't understand what you mean with your second sentence [14:32] but thank yopu anyway.. [14:33] jpg folks! compression ftw [14:33] fred it works.. [14:33] png can be fine [14:33] but the laptop screen [14:33] thoguh that one is huge... [14:34] doen't show nothing but the wallpaper [14:34] doesn'T* [14:34] drag a window to it then? [14:34] :| [14:34] yes [14:34] that works [14:34] that's working correctly [14:34] the menu too [14:35] ah.. so there is no way to have the panel on it, too? [14:35] panels* [14:35] alisonken1home: http://fred.uwcs.co.uk/b/ss-2010060501.png smaller png ¬_¬ [14:35] (more screens) [14:35] brainvision: depends on your window manager, look around in the settings [14:37] fred, http://i48.tinypic.com/9h2weg.jpg <-- picture of the computer as seen from the house front door :) [14:38] Anyone here tried to use a USB-serial adapter before and put it into serial mode? [14:38] Action: fred cba to find camera ¬_¬ [14:39] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:39] ffelf (~ffelf@brln-4d0cb73a.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:40] Hey [14:40] dkulchenko (~dkulchenk@pool-98-111-83-112.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] How come I have FOUR penguins at the top of the screen when LINUX boots?? [14:40] cause you have 2^2 cores [14:40] four logical cores. [14:40] four processor cores [14:40] or sqrt(16) cored [14:40] Hi all! How can I find what version of libc comes with each version of Slack? [14:41] actually i think it is ln(e%4) cores [14:41] (4 physical cores, or 2 with hyperthreading enabled most likely) [14:41] (short of installing each and running ldd --version) [14:41] Guest80016 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [14:41] dkulchenko: look at the package name in a/glibc*.t?z [14:41] ls /var/log/packages/glibc-2* [14:41] Well that's news to me [14:41] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:41] JosephK: pastebin /proc/cpuinfo [14:42] dkulchenko: http://www.nielshorn.net/slackware/slack_versions.php [14:42] jailbox: perfect, thanks [14:42] waiting on fsck will do though [14:42] glibc is one of those things that doesn't change much, i think all the 12's and 13.0 were at 2.6 and this was bumped at 13.1 [14:42] oh, birthday coming soon [14:42] almost 17 [14:43] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Are the official Slack packages compiled on the version of libc it comes with? (I'm assuming 13.1 packages will not work with 12.1, right?) [14:43] adrien: wait, slackware's reached the age of consent now? :o [14:43] damn: This page: © Copyright by Niels Horn - Rio de Janeiro - Last modified: May 18 2010 07:11:29. [14:43] that direction probably not, the other might [14:43] JosephK, that's the image at the beginning showing how many cpus/cores that the kernel detects [14:44] niels_horn must be pretty good to predict slackware versions ;p [14:44] fred: almost ;-) [14:44] ie 12.1 package on 13.1 will likely work as glibc tries to be as backwards compat as it can [14:44] unless of course libpng is involved :p [14:44] well right, unless it is linked to a lib whose ABI changed :) [14:44] mancha: yeah, i only wish it were forward-compatible ;) [14:45] dkulchenko, you'd have to get kreskin to replace ulrich [14:45] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [14:45] mancha: huh? [14:46] Hmm, can't seem to find anything - anyone know of hadoop packages for slackware? [14:46] brainvision (~brainvisi@host36-27-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [14:46] Action: fred knows they're a world of pain, having done lenny packaging for it recently, and would rather not do it on slackware too :p [14:46] fred http://www.pastie.org/993203 [14:47] JosephK, yep - that's why you have 4 penguins on bootup - the kernel sees 4 cores [14:47] fred, 3 monitors? [14:48] yup [14:48] nice [14:48] well does that mean I HAVE 4 cores or that it could be a mistake?? [14:48] you have 4 real cores [14:48] a) "siblings: 4" [14:48] Well when I had the OLD install on that, it only saw 1 [14:48] I saw a rig for sale on ebay once that had 4 36" monitors in a 2x2 mount [14:48] b) http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9YL [14:48] ... you were likely running a non-smp kernel on your quad-core xeon [14:49] So I guess this is good then [14:49] yes :p [14:49] unlike someone I know from a while back that had 16 penguins on boot :) [14:49] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:50] * siblings == cpu cores means no hyperthreading enabled [14:50] alisonken1home: I've got a machine like that (though not my home one) :p [14:50] * a few machines [14:50] OKAY so we got a Quad Core with a Raid V using 15Krpm drives and 2 gigs of ram [14:50] I would say that's pretty smokin [14:50] decent [14:50] dkulchenko (dkulchenk@pool-98-111-83-112.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [14:51] 16 penguins is too much. i feel anything over 8 is merely excess and in bad taste given the current world economic outlook [14:51] depends on what the extra cores are doing :) [14:51] hahaha mancha spoken like the guy who can't afford it [14:51] JosephK i ain't trading in my food stamps for extra cpu cycles! [14:51] hehehhehe [14:51] I would [14:51] hehehehe [14:51] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] http://pastebin.com/uV6eUbTB [14:52] JosephK: 'raid 5' not 'raid V' :) [14:52] would be nice, but it would be hard to get it past the wife :) you should see the fun I had just getting the extra paper trays for the hp color laserjet :) [14:52] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:52] (dual quadcore with hyperthreading) [14:52] Fred Nice [14:52] very nice [14:52] Hey ananke I am freakin ROMAN okay?? [14:53] You wanna go right here? [14:53] hehehehehe [14:53] oh, and 64GB RAM on that box [14:53] JosephK: next time put it on a resume. [14:53] I would hope that box had some ram on it :) [14:53] hahahahhaha [14:54] JosephK: seriously, is there a specific reason why you insist on writing it in a non-standard fashion? i'm curious [14:54] Just to be sure... There is NO WAY linux could mistake a single or dual core processor for a quad core right?? [14:54] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] ananke geekness [14:55] JosephK: hyperthreading can make double the apparent number of cores to an untrained eye [14:55] so I am in good shape then? [14:55] JosephK: there is nothing geeky about writing 'raid V', so i'm wondering why [14:55] juboba (~juboba@190-95-36-231.bk18-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [14:56] intel's site has a nice set of details for all of their processors: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=28032 [14:58] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [15:00] thats nice. id love em for going the banias way, e.g. you can adapt voltage tables and underclock & undervolt your banias m to whopping 100 mhz ;) [15:01] yep, seems intel has invested plenty of resources in making their processors use less energy [15:01] that's quite handy :) [15:02] Action: fred is filling a rack or two full of 1U servers; except power consumption makes it so that 'full' isn't true :( [15:03] Guest95823 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [15:03] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:03] yeah, i'm getting a couple of 2U servers, each one is actually composed of 4 machines. things are getting denser these days [15:04] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[15:10] yes hoobop [15:10] i have it set up [15:10] it's supposed to warn me when my drive is going to fail (i think) [15:10] that's about all i know [15:11] so you're like a grasshopper, i need a black belt or a shaolin priest [15:11] i'm not even a grasshopper [15:11] :> [15:11] juboba (~juboba@190-95-36-231.bk18-dsl.surnet.cl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:14] on 64 bit slackware, does anyone know where the default location for libnotify is? [15:15] the lib would be in /usr/lib64 or summit [15:15] is it possible that it isn't installed at all? [15:15] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) joined ##slackware. [15:17] warmanar (~quassel@188-222-193-153.zone13.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. [15:19] warmana (~quassel@188-222-193-153.zone13.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[15:25] it is possible, you can try "grep notify /var/log/packages/*", and see if you find something interesting [15:26] SigmaVirus24: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/libnotify/ [15:26] yeah jailbox i already downloaded and installed it [15:26] thanks though [15:27] mcury (~mcury@189.24.97.176) left irc: Client Quit [15:28] hey guys, i just recompiled acpi into my kernel, and i notice my cpu is running kind of hot (79 degrees celsius), is it possible this is caused by the acpi support? [15:28] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:28] i couldnt monitor it on the previous kernel, but the fan seems to be running more now with acpi support than it did without acpi [15:29] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [15:29] hmm and now its up to 80 degrees, and all im doing is irc [15:29] CPU [15:29] CPU's are all at 0-1% [15:30] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:31] faulty fans? not enough paste? [15:31] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [15:31] the same machine runs at about 65 degrees under other operating systems [15:32] air conditioning? [15:32] hi can I use g++34 in 13.0? [15:32] and i am pretty sure on the previous kernel here it was running cooler, just based on the fan and exhaust output [15:32] botnet: i've noticed that here too, call it normal [15:33] i mean, oculd acpi cause the cpu to heat up more? [15:33] could* [15:33] doug- (~quassel@109.70.68.174) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:34] warmana (~quassel@188-222-193-153.zone13.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. [15:38] botnet: i thought that something is wrong with my machine too, but some people point it out that it was due to termal-measurement programs on lin/win. so i took a thermometer and measuered myself. difference is 6-7 degree C hotter in linux idle. this is one of the wast discussions http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=900389 [15:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:38] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] it may be that, but this machine running slackware 13.0 ran a lot cooler, about 15 degrees celsius cooler [15:40] botnet: well, check your running modules on both kernels, see the difference [15:41] yeah, im going to have to compare different kernel configs, im sure [15:41] dios_mio (test@78.179.81.69) joined ##slackware. [15:41] I DARE YOU TO READ THE WORDS OF AN INFIDEL: http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/the_problems_of_open_source.htm [15:41] dios mio. [15:41] problem is i always compile everything into kernel rather than modularizing it, so its not as simple as an lsmod [15:42] botnet: ok, so try it with generic, first build initrd and see there [15:42] pnq (asdf@AC8138C2.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] dios_mio: troll much? [15:43] lol [15:45] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [15:46] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:46] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Client Quit [15:47] clavius (James@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:48] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:49] akasmax (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:49] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Linus: Microsoft Hatred is a Disease -> http://www.osnews.com/story/21887/Linus_Microsoft_Hatred_Is_a_Disease_ [15:50] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:52] oh cool, outdated news articles... [15:52] lol [15:52] cynics [15:52] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [15:53] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:53] Guys, a frind of mine is trying to install slackware 13.0 on his old desktop pc [15:53] he has 2 hard drives [15:53] /dev/hda /dev/hdb [15:53] his DVD rom is /dev/hdc [15:54] when selecting the source for installation [15:54] he gets "no medium found" [15:54] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] and he cant moun it with mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc [15:54] if i recall correctly, even ide drives show up as scsi drives on newer kernel [15:54] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [15:54] so try /dev/sr0 for the dvd drive [15:54] has he tried sdc or sr0? [15:54] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:55] no /dev/sr* [15:55] and no /dev/sd* [15:57] is he selecting to manually locate the optical drive? [15:57] van_ (~van@79.107.251.85) joined ##slackware. [15:58] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-233-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [15:59] is there a option to install from disk? [15:59] Are any other xf86-video-intel users having problems with 3d? [15:59] if I remember correctly, there should be.. and then it's just to mount it, and use that [16:00] byteframe: not properly, I run those drivers but I don't have any problems with 3D [16:00] Nick change: juan--d-_-b -> juangvp [16:01] metrofox, new slackware has my laptop running games at weird speeds. [16:01] Nick change: juangvp -> juan--d-_-b [16:01] I tried apped="i915.modeset=0" but x wont start [16:01] v4nelle (~van@79.107.232.211) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:01] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [16:01] botnet: he chose auto and didnt found it, then he wrote it manually and said no medium [16:02] clavius (1000@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [16:02] byteframe: run glxgears and tell us what's your graphic card [16:02] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [16:02] ahh one other question before i reboot to test kernels, i finally got my subwoofer to work, however XF86AudioMute does not mute it [16:02] metrofox, Intel 855gm [16:02] it mutes the front speakers, but not the subwoofer [16:04] and XF86AudioLowerVolume will descrease the volume of all the speakers including subwoofer [16:04] dmesg returns the following: [16:05] isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdd, iso_blknum=16, block=16 [16:05] nyRednek (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:05] Axtroz, but he can mount it? [16:06] he can not [16:06] i mean [16:06] the disc boots [16:06] he starts doing the installation [16:06] but when he reaches the source selection [16:06] auto says no medium found [16:07] and when he writes down /dev/hdc or he selects it from the setup program [16:07] it just does nothing and says no medium found [16:07] maybe he needs to pass an append to the kernel [16:07] I would google for possible appends [16:08] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:08] also, 'amixer set Master off' leaves the subwoofer on, but 'amixer set Master 0' will turn all speakers down [16:09] appends for an ancient DVD RW device? [16:09] can i map XF86AudioMute to the command amixer set Master 0? [16:10] Axtroz, yeah [16:11] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Axtroz, or if he want's he can use samba and other network-shared disks [16:13] we went with ftp/http [16:13] :) [16:13] good thing he has a router coz our ISP works with ppp only [16:13] Growl (~Growl@109.105.173.70) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:13] adrien: about that "last modified" line... It looks at the time-stamp of the php file, which reads a small database that changed afterwards :) [16:13] eddie_grey (~WebIRC@206.217.215.49) joined ##slackware. [16:14] niels_horn: yeah, I figured out it probably read the content from somewhere else, still looked nice ^^ [16:14] Guest95823 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [16:14] adrien: hehe... 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[16:29] running 25 degrees celsius cooler on the default kernel now [16:29] what the hell... [16:29] clavius (1000@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:32] and of course my subwoofer doesnt work in the default kernel... [16:35] botnet, maybe check the source :) might be a change in the way it computes the temp [16:36] pim_ (pim12@stud173174.mobiel.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:37] Hi, actually i wish to be able to send mail between users on my system. It seems i should use sendmail to do this, I seem to be unable to find a basic introduction to sendmail however. Does anyone know of such an introduction? [16:38] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:38] Guest65071 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [16:41] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[16:56] make sure you get your vaccinations first [16:57] johndee (~id@93-81-1-5.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:58] edman007: i upgraded not long ago, and somewhere about halfway through the md5sums stopped matching, so i had to re-run slackpkg after updating the new config files [16:58] might have been avoided if i upgraded slackpkg itself, first [16:58] razec__ (~razec@187.34.18.231) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:58] but it wasnt a big issue, and the upgrade then completed sccessfully [16:58] well i'm going to be smart this time and try following the UPGRADE.TXT, i've been screwed over too many times with a large upgrade through slackpkg [16:59] pssh, reading directions is for noobs [16:59] dumb thing installed some pkgtool things without their deps...that took a good hour to two to fix [17:00] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.91) joined ##slackware. [17:00] so i'm writting a shell script to install everything...and then i get to reboot and recompile the video drivers, firefox, pidgin, mplayer... [17:00] and everything else that is important [17:00] alright....script is running [17:01] edman007: you expected dependencies in slackware? [17:01] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:02] ananke, nonono...the UPGRADE.TXT always says do pkgtools/glibc first...i think last time I used slackpkg for an upgrade it tried doing xz without glibc... [17:02] my whole package system was completely broken... [17:02] hi all. i have a problem with my ati radeon fan. it is constantly pulsing, accelerating and slowing down, even i have only xfce opened. is there a way to control it? i use slackware64-current and radeon open drivers [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-68.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-107-13.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] pnq (asdf@AC8138C2.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] Anyone here using mythtv and xbmc on slackware? [17:06] plee, i did a long time ago....not anymore since i don't have an xbox anymore [17:06] ok [17:07] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Quit: Well then [17:08] plee, what is the question ;) [17:08] I was looking at building myself a htpc. I have the hw, but haven't installed it yet. And using xbmc as frontend [17:08] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [17:08] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:10] plee, oh, generally works great, plays better than running the mythtv software on your hardware (if you don't have linux installed and use an XBOX, it has less overhead), but when I did it the mythtv software had far far better support for commercial skip [17:11] the third party players tend to just let you view the files on the server with their proper names, they don't really look into the DB an get the commercial skip data, that may have changed, but it was a big problem for me [17:12] Yeah, I don't have an xbox. [17:13] running it on linux? [17:13] I would just run mythfrontend on it then...far better support for mythbackend [17:13] does pretty much the same stuff [17:14] I would like the commercial skip, but it's not something I have to have. It's mostly to get more channels and not be contained by the networks [17:14] and mythbuntu will do it and save all the setup hassle, just install and enter in the server address [17:14] will be running on linux yes [17:15] i would give mythbuntu a spin first, i did that for a while, worked great and takes 15 minutes to install and configure on a tv [17:15] nice [17:15] I'll test that first then :) [17:16] mythbuntu is a pretty good media center. it has some very stupid misses, but the codec, video, audio caps are excellent - better than the Windowze ones I switched to of late [17:16] also try geexbox, it's supposed to be even simpler to set up [17:16] ercula_ (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.91) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:16] Writing everything down :) [17:17] Will do a good test :) [17:17] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:18] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:19] I haven't quite found info about how many frontends that are supported on one card though.. [17:21] under one OS, it'll be pretty much driver-dependent, so each OS will support all frontends for the same cards, usually [17:21] FUCK IT [17:22] I reinstalled slackware64 13.1 from another .iso and i get another error when running bitcoin [17:22] we'll do it live [17:22] ./bitcoin: error while loading shared libraries: libSM.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [17:22] v4nelle (~van@79.107.251.85) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:23] you need to recompile bitcoin, it is not part of slackware 13.1 and thus didn't get updated [17:23] yukiti (~yukiti@189.73.249.116) joined ##slackware. [17:23] smokeybandit (~smokey@207-237-243-149.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:24] dude, i'm running a 32bit binary that works on any other distro [17:24] with multilib of course [17:25] *precompiled 32bit binary [17:25] yukiti (~yukiti@189.73.249.116) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:25] no, it is linked to a shared library, libSM, which got updated...it is not linked to the new version and you deleted the old version [17:25] get a version that is linked to your version of libSM [17:26] if it was precompiled for distribution then it should have been statically linked to avoid this problem [17:26] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.210) left irc: Read error: No route to host [17:27] edman007: I don't know how to compile this multi-file .cpp app [17:28] is there a file called 'Makefile' how about a file called 'configure' ? [17:28] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:29] no, there's no configure. just a makefile and a small readme that's for freakin-ubuntu [17:29] type `make` [17:29] that should compile it [17:30] http://pastebin.com/f6cubNd7 [17:30] it doesn't [17:30] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:31] edman007: http://pastebin.com/R2qJMF2c [17:31] hrm...sounds old...i'll try and fix the problem, one minute [17:32] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.140.81) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431813.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:33] ercula_ (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:33] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431813.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:34] hrmmm...that is a lot of errors, maybe you should just try finding an old version of that lib and installing it [17:35] Azeotrope, [17:35] xsamurai (~munki@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [17:35] i believe that's not the only lib i'll need [17:35] dios_mio (test@78.179.81.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:35] Azeotrope, ldd `which bitcoin` will tell you what you are missing [17:36] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.140.81) left irc: Client Quit [17:37] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:37] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [17:38] clavius (1000@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:38] edman007: lot's of them. where do i find them? http://pastebin.org/311121 [17:38] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Azeotrope, almost all of them are part of X [17:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:40] and why I don't have them? [17:40] i do have X you know... [17:41] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:41] sometimes i wish Azeotrope would just use ubuntu and leave us alone [17:41] spook: thats harsh [17:42] just sometimes? [17:42] then i remember i'd have very little to laugh about in this channel [17:42] Azeotrope, you are probably just running a newer version of X [17:42] i sometimes wish i'd use ubuntu and leave you alone [17:42] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:43] either find all those libs in a compatible version/format or find a way to make that thing compile on your system so you can link it with your libs [17:43] but i know that will take a good bit of time [17:43] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:43] :( [17:43] time is money [17:43] time=bitcoins [17:44] digital money , no different from fiat but thats another conversation [17:44] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Azeotrope: some of the missing libs are basic libs like libxcursor , libexpat what kind of DE are you running ? [17:45] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Excess Flood [17:46] KDE [17:46] anyways to solve your problem do what edman said , it wont take that long rather quick [17:46] ldd `which bitcoin` | grep 'not found ' [17:46] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [17:46] is upgrading with slapt-get or upgradepkg a good idea? [17:47] use google or if you FILELIST.TXT to search for the pkgs needed [17:47] pim_: I wouldnt use slapt-get , it has broken many systems in the past [17:47] upgradepkg, absolutely, it is the only way...i don't use or recommend slapt-get, but i will say that it does make use of upgradepkg [17:48] Action: xsamurai going back to writing super duper long sql queries [17:48] ok thanks [17:49] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:51] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Asmadeus: did you try running 'make -f makefile.unix' in the src directory ? what does it return ? [17:51] i meant Azeotrope [17:51] Asmadeus: sorry :) [17:52] hmm, let me try it [17:53] Azeotrope: if you are going to recompile bitcoin, you are going to need download&compile wxGTK library aswell. [17:54] yea, I have wxGTK [17:54] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:54] but i get errors [17:55] rrh: http://pastebin.org/311178 [17:55] marek_ (~marek@87.52.broadband12.iol.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:57] Azeotrope: how did you install wxgtk ? i suppose it isn't in /usr/local dir, where the makefile.unix expects it to be [17:58] from sbopkg [17:58] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [17:59] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:00] installing stuff takes soo long!!! [18:00] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:01] Azeotrope: edit makefile.unix (make a copy;) and remove the 'local/' references and try to compile it again. [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431813.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] Azeotrope: you might want to check if you have wx installed in the directories, as the makefile expects. [18:02] josemanuel (~josemanue@251.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [18:03] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:03] ercula_ (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.140.81) joined ##slackware. [18:04] pim_ (pim12@stud173174.mobiel.utwente.nl) left irc: [18:04] rrh: rrh no, i still get errors [18:04] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] Jennifur (~Jenny@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:06] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrr [18:06] Azeotrope: still because of the wx library ? [18:06] Jennifur (~Jenny@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Azeotrope: you might need to recompile it aswell, like it is descibed in the 'build-unix.txt' file, in the src direcotry. [18:07] pnq (asdf@AC81C909.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [18:08] pim_ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:09] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [18:10] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [18:17] adrenaline (~repsol@ip68-230-96-87.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:18] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] hey everybody what would cause sound to go out in flash but nowhere else? [18:19] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:19] clavius (1000@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [18:20] xovan, flash it dumb, trying to use OSS, and you are using ALSA, you can only really use one at a time... [18:22] what's the best way to fix that? [18:22] other than letter bombs. [18:22] tweak asoundrc [18:22] gotcha [18:23] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [18:23] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [18:24] eddie_grey (~WebIRC@206.217.215.49) left irc: Quit: (( WebIRC Gratuito www.webirc.com.br Agora no Orkut! www.orkut.com.br/Main#AppInfo.aspx?appId=301253744845&ref=SR )) [18:24] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-132.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:28] CGfreak102 (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:29] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:31] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:32] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:33] how long are released versions of slackware generally supported? [18:33] for as long as you can read [18:33] a couple years at least... [18:34] that's nice [18:36] repsol (~repsol@ip68-230-96-87.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] if you don't upgrade it, you don't break it [18:37] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:37] I have a weird issue hoping someone has seen this before. [18:37] -????????? ? ? ? ? ? musicbak.tgz [18:37] a version is just a kernel and some packages, if you upgrade your packages, theres no reason to reinstall a new version [18:37] I can't delete this file [18:38] can someone help? [18:38] repsol: rm *musicbak* [18:38] that work? [18:38] er or *musicbak.tgz [18:38] you might need to fsck your fs [18:38] rm: cannot remove `musicbak.tgz': Input/output error [18:38] see, thats a hard disk error [18:38] nice [18:38] open up konqueror/something similar and try? [18:38] how do I fix that? [18:38] or fsck it heh [18:38] so you might be screwed [18:39] yikes [18:39] and the drive is already dead [18:39] repsol, buy a new drive... [18:39] it is on a /nfts-3g partition [18:39] wow, that's a depressing answer.. heh [18:39] oh...well, then it could be the ntfs driver... [18:39] fs error does not equal hd error [18:39] input/output does [18:39] Skywise: not all the time [18:39] Ya i really don't want to buy a new drive hehe [18:40] i've had similar issue where the fs was destroyed [18:40] disk was still good, had to redo the whole thing [18:40] repsol: like Skywise said, fsck it first [18:40] I was scping the file over and my power supply died in the middle of it when I rebooted this is what came up [18:40] ah.. details.. how nice they are [18:41] yeah, you need to repair your fs [18:41] just fsck? [18:41] repsol: touch /forcefsck [18:41] reboot the system [18:41] or fsck /nfts-3g [18:41] if its reiserfs [18:41] ext 3 [18:41] ...its ntfs ? [18:41] dual booted [18:41] whats the fs that's having issues ? [18:41] but I am in the slackware side [18:42] is it ntfs or ext3 ? [18:42] /dev/hda2 177G 66G 111G 38% /ntfs-3g [18:42] that's what i get when compiling bitcoin [18:42] i also compiled it's deps [18:42] from source [18:43] /dev/hda2 == ntfs-3g [18:43] repsol: I would suggest you reboot into windows and windows fix the partition , ntfs-3g does have the ability to repair but I wouldnt chance it [18:43] ok thanks I will try that [18:44] Azeotrope: whether you compile or use a binary , it wont work since you are missing libs [18:44] I wonder if windows will be pissed that I copied it over as root though [18:44] timur_ (~timur@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Action: linux_probe lookz @ nixchix0R [18:45] hello does anyone uses wine to play games? [18:45] Thanks xsamurai I am going to reboot and see what I see thanks for the tip [18:46] timur_: lots of people, you can youtube to see the results [18:46] LnxSlck (1000@188.140.100.52) joined ##slackware. [18:47] she must be busy with life and kids :) [18:47] kids? she only has one. [18:47] im using another distro i wanted to ask whether u suggest slackware or not [18:48] timur_: that depends on you [18:48] timur_, Well, you are asking in ##slackware, answers may be a bit biased. Try it out and see what you think, then make a decision of what you want to use and what works best for you. [18:49] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:49] what is the most recent version of eclipse that i can use in slackware? [18:50] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/development/eclipse/ [18:50] isn't eclipse java based? [18:51] timur_, just download SR2 and use it [18:51] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:51] mancha, indeed, java is needed to use it. [18:51] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:52] my point was it'll run on slackware so longas the java machine can interpret the bytecode which pretty much means the latest ver, i would presume [18:53] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Action: xsamurai passes out tags [18:53] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-151.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Read error: No route to host [18:55] LnxSlck_ (~LnxSlck@bl20-121-7.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Budd^ (~budd@99.152.134.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:56] v4nelle (~van@79.107.251.85) joined ##slackware. [18:57] repsol (~repsol@ip68-230-96-87.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:57] LnxSlck (1000@188.140.100.52) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:57] LnxSlck_ (~LnxSlck@bl20-121-7.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [18:58] arfon (~arfon@adsl-75-54-86-48.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:59] Can anyone here give me some guidance to setting up a VPN? OpenVPN, IPSec? [18:59] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@2.81.121.7) joined ##slackware. [18:59] read the docs [18:59] Thanks [18:59] openvpn will be considerably easier [18:59] It seems like all of the off-the-shelf home routers only do IPsec [19:00] strongswan and openswan will both be more involved [19:00] darkwurm (~darkwurm@166.205.142.232) joined ##slackware. [19:01] darkwurm (~darkwurm@166.205.142.232) left irc: Changing host [19:01] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [19:01] i am sure what they do is have ipsec passtrhough, i doubt they have ipsec implementations [19:01] Budd^ (~budd@99.152.134.161) joined ##slackware. [19:01] I'm looking for ease.... OpenVPN? [19:01] openvpn is what i would categorize as easy, yes. [19:01] Okay, that's what I wanted to know. Thanks [19:02] one last question how do i install software is there a software manager? [19:02] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:02] timur_: slackware packages , you can use slackpkg, for 3rd party unofficial pkgs you can use sbopkg [19:02] man pkgtools [19:03] timur_: note there is no dependency resolution in slackware [19:03] i always do that :( man pkgtool, rather. [19:03] what do u mean by dependency resolution? [19:04] timur_: for example you install pkg X, if pkg X requires lib Y , you will need to install lib Y yourself [19:05] of course if you are building yourself it will complain during the build process of missing libs [19:05] does it warn me about it? [19:05] read up ^ [19:06] say you install a binary pkg X, it will install without issue [19:06] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [19:06] but when you try to run X, it will not run because it was compiled with certain libs [19:07] did u use other distros? [19:07] if its a 3rd party pkg from slackbuilds.org , the dependencies are usually written in the readme [19:07] timur_: all of them A-Z [19:08] i switched many distros [19:08] timur_: slackware is something that requires time and understanding , once you get the hang of it, its simpler then anything out there [19:08] pnq (asdf@AC81C909.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:08] and im tryin to find one that i will stay on it [19:08] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:08] I started like that as well, try it out see if its for you [19:08] timur_: once you go slack you never go back :P [19:08] no other way to know [19:08] alright, so i got some great 13.1 problems booting... [19:09] darkwurm: aint that the truth [19:09] okay :D [19:09] edman007: some , do elaborate [19:09] /dev/sda1 is not there.... [19:09] xsamurai: i was typing, not use to this client ;) [19:10] McPeter (~McPeter@ubuntu/member/pdpc.21for7.mcpeter) joined ##slackware. [19:10] why would that not show up? I'm using the same kernel as before, so it is not a kernel issue, and my kernel does not need modules... [19:11] only thing i've heard of is /dev/hda being switched to /dev/sda in pkgtool [19:11] exactly...but i have all SATA, so it has all been sdx for a long time... [19:11] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.140.81) left irc: Quit: buh-bye. [19:11] edman007: I would look at your lilo.conf personally [19:12] repsol (~repsol@ip68-230-96-87.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] whats the error you are getting ? [19:12] i actually forgot to update when i installed, so it is the 2.6.32 kernel that worked before... [19:12] xsamurai, I booted into windows and deleted the file with no problems don't need a new disk thanks again [19:12] repsol: np [19:13] and i can't do anything about it because /dev/sda is not there, so lilo can't write to it [19:14] edman007: nonsence, use your install disk [19:14] heh [19:14] Unless of course you deleted the partition somehow [19:14] i don't know if the ones i have support my system... [19:14] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] Budd^ (~budd@99.152.134.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:16] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:16] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] timur you still there? [19:16] edman007: Unless its really old you should be ok, might have to load a sata kernel if its real old [19:16] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:16] i have a raid... [19:16] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [19:19] edman007: seems like raid kernels have been available on the install disk for sometime too [19:19] someone stop me if I'm worng [19:19] heh [19:20] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:20] if its hw raid, it will still show up as a single drive, and unless he has some old disks his card should be supported [19:20] i looked...i don't even have one...looks like i have slamd64 disk 2 [19:20] edman007: time to donwload a iso ;) [19:20] edman007: download a cd, chroot , check and reinstall lilo and reboot [19:20] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDC46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [19:21] i found a really old kernel that seems to work... [19:21] udev won't run on it... [19:21] lol [19:21] Action: xsamurai bbl [19:21] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [19:21] hey guys [19:21] edman007: as long as you can chroot and vim you should be fine ;) [19:22] Xgates: what about the girls? [19:22] ok, time to try the new kernel :) [19:22] i got lilo to run... [19:22] edman007: make sure you check your lilo it might have a hda instead of sda [19:22] it does not [19:22] just saying ;) [19:23] this box has never had an IDE device [19:23] ercula_ (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:23] ok I've been at it for the past week with no success, I'm running 13.1 and all I have installed is Blackbox and OpenBox, OpenBox is my main WM I run and I compiled pcmanfm 0.9.7 to have a small/light FM, but for the life of me I can't get it to automount. Does anyone know all the things that need to be installed for automount to work besides, dbus, hal and fuse? [19:23] darkwurm: hehe ;p [19:24] you prolly need some rules... [19:24] Xgates: did you set up your fstab? [19:24] life is all about rules and breakin' 'em [19:25] darkwurm: no didn't know that it needed to be setup for automount to work [19:25] hrm, kernel modesetting gave me some awesome colors [19:25] how would I set it up for a usb storage device? [19:25] I have two partitions on the drive vfat and ntfs [19:26] they are /dev/sdb1 & /dev/sdb2 [19:26] or it's /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb2 I forget hehe [19:26] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:27] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [19:29] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-233-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [19:31] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:31] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-151.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:32] alphageek: how do you play tribes 2? on slackware? after seeing it on youtube i got interested in it and downloaded it.. [19:32] Xgates: fstab documentation is you friend ;) [19:33] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [19:33] all I understand is you put a usb drive in fstab if you want to control who mounts it, or while it's plugged in when you startup Slack it's just automatically mounted, but as far as using a file manager and then plugging it in and having it show up I was not aware that in this situation you'd be using fstab because my understanding is the file manager takes care of the mounting [19:34] Xgates: how would the filemanager know where to mount it to? :P [19:35] yeah true.... [19:35] pnq (asdf@AC876781.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] which one is better 64 bit or 32 bit? [19:36] no harm in trying ;) [19:36] Xgates: you don't need to put your usb devices in fstab if your user is a member of plugdev and you're using a modern desktop environment... or something that can talk with dubs [19:36] as long as you don't you know delete your entier fstab in the process hahaha [19:36] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:37] yeah I thought that to be true all I needed was to be in plugdev but it doesn't seem to be working [19:37] mako-sama makes a vaild point [19:37] I'm only running OpenBox [19:37] mako-sama: dubs? [19:37] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] I think mako-sama ment dbus [19:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:38] daplane [19:38] timur_: they're the same. you won't need 64bit if you won't use RAM more than 4GB [19:38] ok [19:38] even under /etc/login.defs I added in plugdev with still no success CONSOLE_GROUPS floppy:audio:video:cdrom:plugdev [19:39] darkwurm: yeah.. i'm not used to this keyboard.. to many typoes ~_~ [19:39] typos [19:39] heh [19:39] mako-sama: do you know how many things need to be installed for automount to work? All I know is hal,dbus and fuse [19:40] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:40] I don't use automount and I never bothered with configuring it.. sorry, I can't help with that [19:41] Xgates: what does your dmesg say about that usb drive? [19:41] but KDE and xfce can mount USB devices and use them out of the box on slackware.. as long as you're a member of plugdev [19:41] Yes, but they are never _automounted_ [19:42] true [19:42] You can tell KDE to automount certain drives, but then it is a KDE specific thing [19:43] pupit: it shows up just fine in dmesg [19:44] alienBOB: well like it's a KDE thing I thought it was a pcmanfm thing and it handled it too [19:45] mako-sama: I'm in plugdev and it' [19:45] arfon (~arfon@adsl-75-54-86-48.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:45] Xgates: might wanna look at you udev rules then [19:45] it's in /etc/login.defs under CONSOLE_GROUPS too [19:45] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:45] darkwurm: ok, where do I find these? [19:46] Xgates: you have to write them if you dont have them already [19:46] Xgates: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/writing_udev_rules.html [19:46] ok [19:47] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] I remember in one other distro I was using under /etc/Profiles you had to change one of the lines from root to the name of a user, something like that... [19:47] CGfreak102 (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:49] well before I start going an putting a band aid on everything I'd simply like to find someone that just use like Blackbox, Flux or OpenBox and has pcmanfm too and has it automount to figure this out correctly [19:50] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:52] i dont know if automount depends on those names you listed [19:52] _slax0r_ (~fire@slackware.x-shells.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:53] automount depends on hal and pcmanfm is capable of using it. it should just work really [19:53] at least afaict [19:54] hmm [19:54] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:55] Xgates, I use pcmanfm with flux and it works fine with no extra config needed [19:55] can i install slackware from usb ? [19:55] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] greetings and salutations [19:55] dive: what version of slack and kernel are you using and is Flux all you have installed? [19:55] timur_: yes [19:55] I'm using 13.1 generic with only blackbox and openbox installed [19:56] Xgates, 13.1 customised huge [19:56] but I recompiled generic the stock one to damm slow [19:56] how can i burn image to an usb file [19:56] I have kde and most other stuff installed too though [19:56] timur_: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-slackware-using-usb-thumb-drive/ [19:56] the window manager is unrelated. if you use pcmanfm and hal it should work everywhere. [19:56] Xgates: are you in plugdev? [19:56] yeah I'm in plugdev [19:57] Xgates, so when you start up pcmanfm does the device even show on the left? [19:57] well I thought Slack installed hal by default [19:57] Xgates: are you _really_ in plugdev or counting on your change to login.defs to work? [19:57] it does [19:57] dive: no nothing shows up [19:57] Xgates: restart hal? [19:58] alienBOB: yeah I added my self in manually opening up /etc/group [19:58] and I added myself into plugdev [19:58] OK - and logged out / logged back in already? [19:58] did you log out since [19:58] yeah many times I logged in and out and restart Slack several times [19:58] Xgates: by the way did you do a full installation? [19:58] no expert install [19:58] no kde [19:59] from scratch? or update? [19:59] but form what I can tell I didn't strip away anything that should be creating this problem [19:59] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:59] from scratch new install of 13.1 [19:59] from what i can tell leaves the possibility of human error [19:59] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) left irc: Quit: I'll be back... [19:59] 'from what i can tell' [20:00] yeah maybe BUT what could be left out that causes this? [20:00] I have most of all if not all the major things installed [20:00] policykit for example i think [20:00] when you compiled pacman did you --enable-hal ? [20:00] just think of Slack without kde and some of the smaller things like no cups... [20:00] yeah I have polikit installed [20:00] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] I don't suppose pcmanfm needs xfce4-power-manager? [20:01] polkit [20:01] like Thunar does [20:01] no it doesnt [20:01] no pcmanfm is stand alone not related to xfce [20:01] yeah didn't think so [20:01] Xgates: do you also have parted package installed? [20:01] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [20:01] (just stabbing in the dark) [20:01] hmm parted now I don't have that installed [20:01] HAL depends on parted... [20:01] dive: you mean thunar-volman not xfce4-power-manager :p [20:01] ahhh [20:01] while true do wget www.gazeta.pl ; echo ' pobralem /n' done whats wrong with that ... [20:01] ok THANKS alienBOB let me try that [20:02] so with all these problems on my desktop, my laptop decided now was a good time for a kernel panic [20:02] one sec [20:02] dumb mac [20:02] sahko, er right, I knew it was something like that ;-) [20:03] brb boys :) [20:03] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [20:03] he's still forgetting the girls [20:03] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:03] how many girls are here? :) [20:04] yeah, thats very sexist of him. whats also very sexist is having dedicated women resources and not men [20:04] eg. ubuntu-women [20:04] sahko: say sexy one more time :D [20:06] nah, got work to do (at 3:03 am) lol [20:06] :) [20:06] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:06] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:08] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:10] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:10] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [20:11] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:12] anyone tried to compile chmsee 1.1.0? [20:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:13] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:15] mancha, i have to ask (and i left, so i don't know if you talked about this already): what did you want to do with SMART? [20:15] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] hi [20:15] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [20:15] back [20:15] installing parted didn't help [20:16] so, i got a new developement that i like counsel on or hint [20:16] other than roundhouse kick it like chuck norris (or some other blackbelt) [20:16] I'm putting up a list of /var/log/packages in case anyone thinks I'm missing anything else, one sec... [20:16] mc is is taking along time to start up; i've narrowed it down to it trying to init locale stuff; no other apps/tools appear to have this prob. [20:17] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@2.81.121.7) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:17] no new libs have been installed; some unused share/locale/'s have been rm'd that i dont need [20:20] alienBOB or anyone else here's my /var/log/packages: [20:20] http://pastebin.com/Vih6u6fs [20:20] Xgates what's your prob? [20:20] that's cool pastebin numbers them, I have 648 packages [20:20] LOL [20:20] I can't get pcmanfm to automount my usb driver [20:20] drive... [20:21] is udevd running? [20:21] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:23] top shows this: [20:23] 667 root 16 -4 2496 1100 496 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.08 udevd [20:23] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:23] does automounting work as it should under other slackware applications? [20:23] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:24] pnq (asdf@AC876781.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:24] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [20:24] I have no other applications to check this I only run OpenBox and have only pcmanfm installed to deal with vol. management [20:24] I can certainly mount my usb from the CLI though :) [20:24] Did you use the slackbuild on slackbuilds.org? [20:25] mount /dev/sdb1 /mt/tmp works just fine :) [20:25] I used it and changed it just a HAIR so I could use 0.9.7 [20:25] I'll post it so you can see it [20:25] http://pcmanfm.sourceforge.net/build.html [20:25] did you enable the use of hal in the build ? [20:25] Still wondering if you enabled hal [20:26] heh [20:26] Xgates, which version of pcmanfm are you running? [20:26] Xgates the proper answer is "yes" :) [20:26] the slackbuild: [20:26] http://pastebin.com/r6NeqiWv [20:26] Xgates, I just upgraded to 0.9.7 and now I can confirm too that CDs aren't showing [20:26] dive 0.9.7 [20:27] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:27] oh I'm also in /etc/group cdrom [20:27] so that answer is no, you did not enable hal in the build [20:27] use `strace -i' on pcmanfm to see what it's doing [20:27] oops [20:27] ahh hal in the build [20:27] strace -o [20:27] testing... [20:27] ok [20:27] Xgates: try reading about the application and doing the propper things for the feature you want [20:27] andarius: yeah sure I thought I had it [20:27] LOL [20:28] v4nelle (~van@79.107.251.85) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:28] umm, thinking fail then [20:28] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Also, not the deps for its use... and make sure you have them [20:28] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [20:29] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:29] I have libfm and menu-cache that libfm wanted that's all I have installed for it and then I also installed lxmenu-data since the pcmanfm wiki mentions it [20:29] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] sorry how do I run the strace? [20:29] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Client Quit [20:30] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:34] OK - I am baffled. I don't know what I did but I have a working chmsee 1.1.0 [20:34] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] andarius: the ./configure --help has no mention of --enable hal or any such thing also when running ./configure there are no mentions of hal [20:36] if pcmanfm needs hal by default then it seems to make sense that the developers just inculded it, not making it an option [20:36] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) joined ##slackware. [20:36] Xgates: the site build instructions clearly show it as a option [20:36] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:37] it's a optional feature [20:38] Xgates: I recommend you see the link I posted earlie. [20:38] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] personaly, I have no intention of building it to find out [20:38] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Xgates, http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCManFM#Removable_devices_can.27t_be_mounted scroll down to the bottom: pcmanfm no longer uses hal. [20:39] uses GVFS [20:39] I have gvfs installed [20:40] andarius: sorry I didn't catch that link? [20:40] darkwurm: what site? [20:40] Action: Xgates looks up [20:40] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:40] ok [20:40] Action: Xgates looks [20:41] I think that link is for the older version [20:41] for 0.9.x it is different [20:41] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [20:41] warmana (~quassel@188-222-193-153.zone13.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:41] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [20:42] anyone successfully install slack from usb? I cant seem to even copy the usbboot image... i'm using the scrip that alienbob created usbimg2disk.sh [20:42] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:42] all I know is that when you compile source if there is an --enable or --disable option then in ./configure --help it will show up and running that on 0.9.7 shows no --enable hal options [20:43] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [20:43] Xgates, to be honest if it means installing a load of gnome deps I would rather install xfce, thunar-volman and use thunar [20:43] or find another file manager [20:43] there is no configure option to use hal because the latest version uses gvfs [20:43] alienBOB, u here? [20:44] I installed 13.0 from usb and the script worked fine.. [20:44] andarius: this is suppose to be the actual up to date Wiki for building pcmanfm [20:44] http://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM_build_and_setup_guide [20:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:44] but I was switching distros, so I left a /home partition and installed packages from there.. just booted from usb [20:44] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [20:45] warmana (~quassel@188-222-193-153.zone13.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [20:45] dive: yeah gvfs is what I've been told [20:45] raela, u got the script from here? http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-slackware-using-usb-thumb-drive/ [20:45] yes [20:45] dive: the script: [20:45] ## test for an existing bus daemon, just to be safe [20:45] if test -z "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" ; then [20:45] Xgates, well you could revert back to 0.5.2 [20:45] I tried adding that into .xinitrc.openbox but nothing happened [20:45] which does use hal [20:46] 0.5.2 doesn [20:46] doesn't automount [20:46] when i run sh usbimg2disk.sh -i /home/user/myfile -o /dev/sdd [20:46] i get this error [20:46] oh? [20:46] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:46] *** I fail to find a 'vfat' partition: '/dev/sdd1' ! [20:46] *** If you want to format the USB thumb drive, add the '-f' parameter [20:46] no, but on occassion you can get it too, but it's buggy [20:46] at least that's what the developers told me' [20:46] so not sure [20:47] but I compiled it [20:47] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] I just wonder if I'm missing some other dep needed in Slack [20:47] raela, and when i run sh usbimg2disk.sh -f -s /home/user/slackware13.0 -o /dev/sdd [20:47] if I use slackpkg to install kde, will that automatically pull in xorg? [20:48] no [20:48] raela, it gives me the same freaking problem..rmdir missing operand [20:48] then i rewrote it to say bypass any error message..it then starts giving me line 37 error [20:48] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:48] why don't you format it to vfat then [20:48] pkgtools will not automatically pull in anything. [20:49] Xgates, the only problem I've had with 0.5.2 is sometimes it shows same device more than once on the left [20:49] but it's livable with [20:49] ahhh [20:49] ok let me give it a go and see how it works [20:49] 0.5.2 is on SBo so it's easy enough to install [20:50] raela, doh [20:50] I still would like to figure out why 0.9.7 won't [20:51] raela, still giving me error usbimg2disk.sh Failed at line 37 [20:52] sorry, i really don't know.. I did it a few months ago and I'm really tired.. I just know it worked [20:52] doesn't it just dd the image over the mbr? [20:52] try that manually [20:52] raela, np thanks i'll around more [20:52] i'll just play around with it more [20:52] thanks [20:53] dive: what about needing libhal-dev, libdbus-1-dev and libhal-storage-dev? [20:54] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-181-218.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:54] well slackware doesn't have separate -dev packages [20:54] OK, i am still baffled i can successfully recompile chmsee 1.1.0 and not a few hours ago it was conking out [20:54] but does slack need those or just hal will do? [20:54] so they should be already installed if all hal/dbus packages are [20:54] ok [20:54] Xgates: or conversly you can set up your usb devices to automount no matter what you are using, and then it will work regardless ;) [20:55] yeah but that's just a bandaid I appreciate the idea but I'd really like to figure why it's not working for me [20:55] I tend to use ranger + autofs anyway since I work in a terminal mostly [20:56] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:57] is the installation of slackware like installation of gentoo? do i need to configure desktop environment by myself? [20:57] dive: I have gvfs-1.5.1 installed in 13.1 because I didn't need to change glib and install other deps for it [20:57] wondering if that version is ok [20:57] no idea [20:58] so what installs dependancies? [20:59] you [20:59] or how do I get a list of dependancies? [20:59] chegney: you do [20:59] its up to you [20:59] chegney: you read the documentation [20:59] ./configure is a good way to see what's needed [21:00] ./configure --help will even show you your options [21:00] and then theres always the README [21:00] assuming the configure file is setup right ;) [21:01] I used http://slackwiki.org/Minimal_System to install my base [21:01] simply run a program at the term that you installed will show you things missing or when you log out to the console if you don't have a display manager [21:02] so I need a lot of dependancies for xorg [21:02] it'd be wisest. i think, to use slackpkg to install xorg [21:02] indeed [21:03] 'slackpkg install x' should get you a working Xorg system [21:03] that's what I asked before, does slackpkg install dependancies [21:03] someone said no [21:03] it doesnt, but 'x' here stands for the x series, which is xorg and its dependencies [21:04] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] ah, meta pkg [21:04] timur_ (~timur@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:04] so I would do slackpkg install x; slackpkg install kde; slackpkg install kdm ?? [21:05] Goodnight Slackers. [21:06] dive: sorry getting lost with all this, did you say you are using 0.9.7 and it works? [21:06] gazl (~gazl@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:06] why did you do a minimal install? [21:06] kdm should be included in the kde series [21:06] raela: I'm wondering the same thing if kde is on the short list of things to install [21:07] i would really recommend simply doing slackpkg install slackware [21:07] to get a full install [21:07] botnet: that actually works? lol [21:07] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-093-184.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [21:07] i believe it does... [21:07] Xgates, no 0.9.7 didn't work for me either but I don't have gvfs and I'm not going down the gnome dep route [21:07] Xgates, 0.5.2 does work though [21:08] hmm, i swear it used to work, but apparently not anymore [21:08] dive: ok maybe then it's a gvfs problem I'm getting [21:08] raela: I did minimal because I didn't want a bunch of junk [21:09] chegney: there's limited junk and its nothing to uninstall said junk [21:11] kde is pretty bulky :P [21:11] don't install e/ kde/ kdei/ and that should filter out junk [21:11] raela: understatement [21:11] Budd^ (~budd@99.152.134.161) joined ##slackware. [21:12] uninstall e/, but kde/kdei is optional :) [21:12] hahaha [21:12] hehe [21:12] alisonken1home++ :) [21:12] anyone here successfully use alienbob's qingy slackbuild on 13.1 yet? [21:14] i installed directfb using his slackbuild, but while running the qingy slackbuild i get error: No package 'directfb' found [21:14] _slax0r_ (~fire@slackware.x-shells.org) joined ##slackware. [21:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:16] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.38.112) joined ##slackware. [21:17] botnet: How did you get directfb to compile? [21:18] uhh, download source, download slackbuild, run slackbuild [21:19] hmm [21:20] dive: I'm going to try 0.9.5 I was told that was the last stable version and that 0.9.7 is dev [21:20] brb [21:20] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [21:20] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:23] botnet: awesome answer :P [21:23] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:25] timur_ (~timur@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) joined ##slackware. [21:26] is there a network installation option [21:26] yes [21:26] how do i do that [21:26] ? [21:27] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [21:27] very carefully [21:27] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_PXE.TXT [21:28] timur_: the fact that you asked suggests that you should probably avoid it [21:29] okay i dont have any cd [21:29] go with usb? [21:29] but isnt it a minimal installation? [21:29] no [21:30] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:30] I did a full install by booting from usb with a comp that didn't have a cd drive [21:30] how come? [21:30] because I didn't build it with one [21:31] i have an external harddisk [21:31] good for you [21:31] hahaha [21:31] if i put the packages there can i install from there? [21:31] yes [21:32] how do i do that how can seperately download them? [21:32] how about you read the slackbook first [21:32] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:33] is it a long procedure? [21:33] it's not worth anyone's time to hold you through installing. please, read all the documentation you can first, then return with specific issues [21:33] timur_: some people read faster than others [21:33] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-132.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: And Punt [21:35] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@69.73.76.5) joined ##slackware. [21:35] lol [21:35] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:37] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@69.73.76.5) left irc: Client Quit [21:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:40] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [21:41] timur_ (~timur@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:43] clavius (1000@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:44] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:45] mancha: hello dengue [21:45] hey everyone :) [21:46] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] so i got a bit further with my problem, the kernel detects sda and udev doesn't do anything about it [21:48] why would udev be so mean? [21:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488EBE2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] pnq (asdf@AC8298F1.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488E463.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:55] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] udev was written by microsoft [21:57] lol [21:57] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [21:57] hey dive 0.5.2 works GREAT as soon as I installed the usb driver it mounted [21:57] LOL [21:58] must be that damm gvfs crap not working [21:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] hahaha [21:58] hey anyone good with gtk+ themes? I have one giving me this message when I run my file manager: [21:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:58] /home/sar/.themes/WoW/gtk-2.0/styles/murrine-style-images-and-labels:20: error: unexpected identifier `textstyle', expected character `}' [21:59] this is the file: http://pastebin.com/2LShD4DG [21:59] I don't know what that expected character `}' is it wants [22:00] nader (~nader@85.133.205.62) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:01] i found it!!!!! [22:01] sda->sg0 [22:02] edman007: what's the diference? [22:02] :D [22:02] that should really really be documented somewhere... [22:02] edman007, ? [22:02] well i suppose raid devices are getting new names now... [22:02] new kernel? [22:02] edman007: you computers are 'working' ? [22:02] but it means my drive names changed [22:03] yes all hda - sda and all optical -> sgN [22:03] stinky (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-pkezjfhdxpsvzjzf) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:03] if only someone had documented it *cough* [22:03] that makes so much sense [22:03] no, optical is srN [22:03] oh [22:03] maybe i'm wrong... [22:03] whats usb [22:03] i have two sgN though [22:03] sdb/c whatever [22:03] and no sdX [22:03] and how is this helpin [22:04] i don't have them, at leas according to udev [22:04] the kernel says i do have it [22:04] udev lies [22:04] yea, well udev is pretty important... [22:04] so he is holding back my boot [22:04] stinky (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wbnddjxsvarirlcx) joined ##slackware. [22:04] edman007, http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover [22:04] mount can't see the drives [22:04] and yes I meant srN [22:05] yea, and it says nothing about an SATA-only system losing all the sdX drives [22:05] i went from sda/sdb to nothing [22:06] that is my problem, ls /dev/sd* /dev/sr* /dev/hd* returns nothing [22:06] well you went sda -> sga ? [22:06] but i see /dev/sgN which i think is the control devices for the related sd/r devices [22:06] still can't actually see the drives... [22:07] fdisk -l gives me nothing [22:07] thats fucked up [22:07] i went from sda -> /dev/null [22:07] maybe you need to load a module for your drives [22:08] i really don't like this new crap [22:08] well the official slack kernel works ok, this is my kernel config from 13.0 which works fine, [22:08] no it won't [22:08] but udev won't work with my kernel... [22:08] yeah [22:08] you can't do it that way [22:08] can't? [22:08] you need a current kernel, you can't jump the divide [22:09] i have not used libata in years... [22:09] has anyone come up with a way to use lilo to dual-boot the kernels from 13.0 and 13.1 with the same root fs? [22:09] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:09] well, i'd just make a new kernel [22:09] this is 2.6.25-rc1, how is that not current? should i try git? i will [22:09] Do you mean 2.6.35-rc1? [22:09] (actually my 13.0 kernel is newer than the one that came w/13.0, but still sees the drive as hda, not sda) [22:09] adamk: yea [22:09] my bad [22:10] Urchlay: you can recompile the kernel, they is an option in the older kernels to do it [22:10] it has been in there for a while [22:10] i think you have to enable the legacy drivers [22:10] disable, surely [22:11] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [22:11] edman007: yeah, I was hoping not to have to recompile, due to being lazy :) [22:11] oh...well writing scripts is more work [22:11] you have to enable the libata drivers in kernel or it will still use hda [22:12] and actually it'd work anyway, except lilo won't allow me to say 'root=/dev/sda' for the new kernel, while running the old kernel (no such device).. well, that and /etc/fstab's / entry would be wrong [22:12] dive: wait...no... [22:12] well not in your case [22:12] you can do it with udev rules ;) [22:13] since you already used SATA [22:13] dive: i'm just trying to get udev to open your eyes [22:13] yes udev could do it [22:13] but I started to use UUID in fstab anyway [22:13] dive: you can write a udev rule to put a symlink and name it anything you want for any device [22:13] edman007, I know this [22:13] dive: that would solve half my problem [22:13] Urchlay: could do that [22:14] why in the world should anyone need to write a udev rule [22:14] how can mounting a removable device need such customization [22:14] as soon as I heard about the libata thing I put in UUID's for all hdds [22:14] s/hdds/partitions/ [22:15] you shouldn't need to write udev rules [22:15] i use uuids for my raid [22:15] Skywise: an example: last week I was working on a dev box that has 6 /dev/ttyUSB devices, so we wrote udev rules to make them /dev/gprsmodem0, /dev/cdmamodem0, etc. etc. [22:15] they aren't block devices though [22:15] actually those names are symlinks [22:16] since we're talking about hdds [22:16] dive: well no, he asked why anyone needs to write a udev rule, I gave an example... but I guess maybe he was talking specifically about block device, I dunno [22:17] running 13.1 with stock kernel it should all just work, so long as you can find the name of your devices for fstab, or use UUID [22:18] 13.1 with stock kernel does just work, but if I want to boot the older kernel based on 13.0 config, that won't work [22:18] looks like I can use either UUID or LABEL= in lilo.conf and fstab, that should do the trick [22:18] correct [22:18] correct to 13.0 kernel _ old config not working that is [22:18] of the two, I prefer labels, because they can be made meaningful [22:19] I'm getting too old, my head is full of too much crap, for me to try to remember yet another long & meaningless string of digits [22:20] it does make looking at fstab a bit harder trying to recall what is what [22:22] especially if you have umpteen partitions [22:22] on the laptop I upgraded to 13.1, there are only 2 partitions (root, swap)... easy enough [22:23] yeah I just have root, swap and home on this one [22:24] going to be upgrading the big box soon though, it has root, swap, /usr, /export (a giant raid partition), /export/public/.public2/ (another one) [22:24] linuxgoob (linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [22:25] everything in /export/public/.public2 is symlinked back to /export/public, so the weird name doesn't matter (I just go "/export/public/videos" and don't care whether it's really in .public2 or not) [22:25] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [22:25] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:27] anyone have hbo? my brothers friend is fighting right now [22:28] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-72-131.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.38.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:30] xsamurai (~munki@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:31] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:31] chegney (chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [22:32] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Anyone gotten directfb to compile on 13.1? It fails here with various deprecated items from png.h [22:37] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [22:37] Hmmm... Maybe I should grab a newer version and see if the slackbuild still works. [22:37] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: long drives with no notice suck... [22:38] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:39] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-2-94.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:40] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:41] rxvt unicode? I can't find a package for this [22:41] chegney: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=urxvt&sv= [22:42] trhodes: ah, so it's not an official package [22:43] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:43] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Quit: Changing server [22:43] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [22:44] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.38.112) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [22:46] is it true that redhat linux was developed from slackware? [22:46] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:47] jeremym: unlikely [22:48] for some reason it seems that i was told that at one time. i dont remember where or why the conversation came up but i thought i remembered someone telling me that redhat linux was based on slackware [22:48] not true... SuSE was a fork from slackware though [22:49] well now that same conversation told me suse was from redhat and they both came from slackware. seems as if i was given bad information [22:49] jeremym: looks like you got misinformed [22:49] There was an article recently in Linux Magazine about this very subject [22:50] digifor (~felixdz@2001:0:53aa:64c:c16:a80a:8503:4b03) joined ##slackware. [22:50] RedHat was developed on it's own like SlackWare [22:50] Suse is a slackware fork though [22:50] _was_ a fork. long time ago [22:50] the conversation started by me talking about how ubuntu is equal to the linux world how mandrake was to the redhat days. [22:50] yea well that makes sense [22:50] since Slackware was one of the first distributions, it was logical that later ones borrowed ideas from Slack though [22:51] the three oldest surviving unforked distributions are Debian, Slackware and RedHat [22:51] & later both ways [22:51] redhat is no longer the same as it used to be. [22:51] im really thinking about going back to using slackware instead of fedora though because i dont like the automated direction fedora is going. its as if they are trying to turn it into the ubuntu for redhat users and i dont like that. [22:51] now you have redhat enterprise [server and workstation editions] [22:51] redhat is commercial only, thus fedora was born for the opensource version of redhat [22:52] is it possible to do this with lilo instead of grub? http://www.steve-oh.com/blog/index.php/ubuntu-vista-dual-boot-full-encryption-with-truecrypt/ [22:52] chegney: actually, fedora was born to provide a test environment for rhel [22:52] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Linux_Distro_Timeline.png [22:52] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:52] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:54] ty for that neonflux [22:54] np [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:54] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [23:03] alienbob has written an excellent README_CRYPT.TXT for using dm-crypt with lilo. How can I adapt that to use with grub? [23:03] cya ppl [23:03] understand how lilo and grub work, understand how dm-crypt works, then flavor to suit [23:04] neonflux: that chart is misleading [23:05] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [23:05] darkwurm, misleading how? [23:06] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Quit: edman007 [23:07] alisonken1home: there was no puppy linux in 91 lol [23:07] http://justlikeamagic.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/linux-distro-timeline.png <-- try this one [23:07] I understand where they are going there but it kinda makes the years portion pointless [23:07] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-251.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] i just don't like how its layed out [23:08] i guess hehehe [23:09] iceheart (hello@120.195.169.36) joined ##slackware. [23:09] heya,folks [23:09] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [23:11] the upgrade on this VM is going to take forever, all because I forgot to give it more than 256M of ram *sigh* [23:12] alisonken1home: thats more like it [23:16] Slacking_Man (~Slacking_@pm1dialin-22.danbbs.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:17] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:17] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [23:22] stdoubt (~grml@cvo-cr1-200-154.peak.org) joined ##slackware. [23:23] Guest65071 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:23] Combining LUKS and LVM... 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[23:30] I installed slackware 13.1 in a chroot on fedora 13 and it is functional so far. (except enabling selinux breaks gcc) [23:31] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [23:34] alphad__ (~alphad@41.66.5.210) joined ##slackware. [23:34] alphad_ (~quassel@41.66.5.210) joined ##slackware. [23:35] mwnn (~user@59.92.141.157) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Doesn't Amarok 2.3.0 have "repeat playlist" facility [23:36] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:36] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:36] Jennifur (~Jenny@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:37] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:38] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [23:39] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [23:39] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:39] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:40] anyone using Thunderbird 3 on Slackware 13.1? [23:42] yup [23:43] dchmelik: ^ [23:43] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:44] have you or anyone figured out a way to restore the search to searching in the list instead of tabs? [23:45] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [23:45] nope, I use the tabbed search [23:46] repsol (~repsol@ip68-230-96-87.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:48] CGfreak102 (~lunchbox@cpe-24-92-65-110.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:49] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:50] ok so ive noticed my internet has been running pretty sluggish at times after installing slackware 13.1 compared to my windows counterpart. Is that normal? [23:51] disable rfc1323 extensions immediately. [23:53] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [23:53] there's a tool for slackbuilds right? [23:53] chegney: sbopkg [23:53] chegney: also .. your brain. [23:54] yea i've been finding sbopkg is not that much easier. [23:54] :) [23:54] but then again installing the 64-bit was not the smartest for me. but from what i read i just have to install some extra lib's so not to much trouble [23:55] Only a problem for a small number of things [23:56] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] slacking_man, you know the command for that? still kinda new and searching forums is not doing that well for me. [23:56] unlink [23:57] unlink the extensions [23:57] quickly before you drop. [23:57] BP{k}: you could back off on the sarcasm a bit [23:57] better glob it. [23:57] unlink -r * [23:57] yesss.... [23:57] don't do that [23:57] chegney: what sarcasm? [23:58] or no, don't do that. [23:58] no idea about your connection. [23:58] "also .. your brain." [23:58] meh could be my damn router also. [23:58] was that comment really needed? [23:58] except you could google ack-pri for iptables or whatever crap you're using for a firewall [23:58] if you are using something like this. [23:58] it makes a difference with my setup. [23:59] depending on what you mean by degraded internet performance. [23:59] that could just mean that the olsen twins haven't been blogging much of late. [23:59] lol [00:00] --- Sun Jun 6 2010